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The first item on our agenda is items 1, items for

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consideration.

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1A is TSC 18-036 to consider the approval of the Traffic

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Safety Commission meetings

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of September 17, 2018.

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Did everyone have a chance to look at the minutes?

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Are there any corrections?

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Sorry for that.

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Are there any corrections or amendments to those minutes?

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Move, we approve.

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Okay.

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We have one motion for approval.

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Do I have a second?

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Second.

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We have a second.

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Does everyone vote in favor?

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Anyone opposed?

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Okay.

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Minutes passed unanimously.

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Item 1B, TSC 18-037 is to receive a training and hold a

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discussion on City Boards and Commission

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training.

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Good evening, everyone.

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My name is Preetam Deshmukh.

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Last week, we, the staff, city staff received a training.

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It was more in line with how do you run these meetings?

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There are several board and committee--committees

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throughout the city.

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What are the things that you need to know?

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How do you run the meeting?

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And what are the things you need to watch out for?

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So I'm going to quickly play a training video and then we

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can discuss if we have any questions,

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we can get some answers.

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There it is.

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I see YouTube.

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Yeah, we have a YouTube channel.

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If lots of them, why don't we have one?

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Okay.

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[Video played]

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Congratulations on your appointment to one of our city's

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boards, commissions, or city

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council committees.

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Boards and commissions are essential to the successful

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function of city government, and

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your contributions will upshake the future of Denton.

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You will be studying and recommending policy application on

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a variety of issues vital to

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the city's future.

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This training is designed to assist you in your service.

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As a companion to your boards and commissions handbook,

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this video will provide a general

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introduction to topics and processes that directly affect

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members of boards, including

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an overview of the city of Denton government structure,

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general membership information,

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applicability of conflict of interest in open government

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laws, and procedural rules governing

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meetings.

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The city attorney, city secretary, and staff liaisons are

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also available to assist you

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in your role as a board member.

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The Denton city charter was adopted in 1959 and is the

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basic governing authority of the

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city.

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The charter determines the form of municipal government,

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the composition and powers of

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the city council, and establishes the legal framework

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necessary for a city to function.

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The charter establishes a council manager form of

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government where the city council

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serves as political leaders and policy makers and retains a

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professionally trained manager

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to oversee the delivery of public services.

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The city council consists of a mayor and six council

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members who are elected to serve as

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the legislative body of the city.

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As a legislative body, the council members are the

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community decision makers.

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The council focuses on community goals, major projects, and

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long-term considerations such

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as community growth, land use development, capital

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improvement plans, capital financing,

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and strategic planning.

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The city council appoints the city manager, city attorney,

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and municipal judge.

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All other city employees report to the city manager who is

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responsible for daily operations

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of the city.

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The city manager is appointed by the council to serve the

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community through the professional

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administration of local government projects and programs.

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The city manager prepares the budget for the council's

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consideration, recruits, hires,

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and supervisors the local government staff, and serves as

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the council's chief advisor

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by bringing forth objective information regarding policy

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matters.

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The manager makes policy recommendations to the council

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which the council may adopt, modify,

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or reject.

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The city council also appoints the city attorney.

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The city attorney's office serves as the legal branch of

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the city representing the city's

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legal interests and rights, providing legal advice, and

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prosecuting criminal complaints.

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Among other things, the city attorney's office drafts and

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reviews the city's legal documents

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and issues legal opinions.

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The city secretary administers the city's board and

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commission program.

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The city secretary is also responsible for conducting city

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elections, preparing and posting

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the city council meeting agendas and minutes, and

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maintaining the official records of the

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city.

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The city manager assigns a staff member to work with each

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board or commission.

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The staff liaison's role is to prepare meeting agendas,

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staff reports, and supporting information

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to the commission prior to meetings, ensure compliance with

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the Texas Open Meetings Act,

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prepare board recommendations to the city council, and make

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presentations to the city

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council on behalf of the board.

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Now to board members' requests for information related to

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the business of the board.

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Board members do not have authority over the work program

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of city staff.

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Rather, the liaison acts as an information resource and

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provides technical assistance.

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A board or commission may request staff's assistance on

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various projects.

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However, the city manager must approve all requests, which

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create a substantial amount

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of work for staff.

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You as an interested and informed citizen are essential to

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effective local government.

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Because your viewpoint is so valuable to the city council

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members, they take your appointment,

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attendance, and involvement on the board very seriously and

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ask that you do also.

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The council is aware that board members have careers,

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families, and other responsibilities

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that demand their time.

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However, because of the importance of citizen boards, the

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city council asks that each new

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board member make every effort to attend all meetings of

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the board and notify the staff

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liaison of their board in advance if they are unable to

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attend a board meeting.

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The unexcused absence of any board member from more than

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three regularly called and

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scheduled meetings in any one year, or the lack of

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attendance at 50% of the number of

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regular meetings in a year, will be considered cost for

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removal.

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An excused absence includes illness, death of a family

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member, jury duty, military service,

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testifying before the legislature, attending a seminar

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relative to the member's duties,

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or absence necessary for business or employment, among

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others.

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The staff liaison will provide a staff member at the

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meeting of each board to take minutes

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of each meeting in a form consistent with city council

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meeting minutes to reflect an

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accurate record of business transactions at the meeting.

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Minutes of the meeting will be submitted for approval by

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the members present at the next

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meeting with revisions, corrections, or amendments being

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made at that time.

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The chair and vice chair will be elected annually by voting

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board members.

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If for any reason the chair or vice chair vacates their

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seat, a special election should be held

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to fill the unexpired term.

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A temporary chair may be selected by the board pursuant to

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Robert's rules of order.

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The staff liaison shall serve as the official secretary to

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the board or commission to ensure

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records are maintained in accordance with requirements of

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the city secretary's office.

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The city council has adopted an ethics policy that applies

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to all council members and appointed

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city officials, including board and commission members.

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You can access the policy in your handbook.

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Note the ethics policy lists some state penal laws that may

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be applicable to members.

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Please consult the city attorney with any questions about

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the policy.

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There may be times when your board or commission would like

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to suggest policy recommendations

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or seek clarification of policy statements from the city

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council that fall within the

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scope or purpose of the board.

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A majority of the board or commission may request that

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staff propose questions or policy

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statements for response or consideration from the city

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council.

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Boards and commissions may also provide an annual or more

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periodic report to the city

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council as appropriate, outlining their activities,

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accomplishments, projects, and initiatives.

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The density charter requires all board members to comply

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with the state conflict of interest

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laws.

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State law requires a board member with substantial interest

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in a business entity or real property

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to file an affidavit with the staff liaison and abstain

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prior to a vote or decision on

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any matter involving the business entity or real property.

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If the action on the matter will have a special economic

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effect on the business entity distinguishable

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from the effect on the public, or if it is foreseeable that

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the action on the matter

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will have a special economic effect on the value of the

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real property distinguishable

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from its effect on the public.

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economic effect on the value

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of real property distinguishable from the effect on the

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public exists when a PNZ board

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member has an interest in real property located within 200

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feet of property being rezoned.

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However, the AG made it clear that these evaluations are

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highly fact intensive.

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Ask yourself the question, will this action before my board

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affect the value of my real

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property in a manner that is different from public at large

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You have a substantial interest in a business entity,

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nonprofit or government entity is

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not a business entity, if you own 10% or more of the voting

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shares of the business entity

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or own either 10% or more than $15,000 or more of its fair

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market value, or you receive

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funds from the business entity exceeding 10% of your gross

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income for the previous year.

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You have a substantial interest in real property if the

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interest is in equitable or legal ownership

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with a fair market value of $2,500 or more.

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You have a substantial interest if your close relative

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within the first degree of consanguinity

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and affinity has a substantial interest.

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A violation of Chapter 171 is a Class A misdemeanor,

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although penal provisions are not applicable

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to advisory board members.

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If you think you have a Chapter 171 conflict, contact the

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staff liaison prior to the meeting

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to make arrangements for the signing of the required affid

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avit.

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If you have any regarding potential conflicts of interest,

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please contact the city attorney

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through your staff liaison.

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There are times you will have a perceived conflict of

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interest even though it is not

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a conflict that is prohibited by law.

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In those cases, you should make a judgment call as to

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whether you should abstain from

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the matter.

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The city's ethics policy states, "I will act with integrity

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and moral courage.

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I will be absolutely truthful.

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I will make impartial decisions that are free of bribes, un

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lawful gifts, narrow political

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interests, and other personal interests that might impair

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my independence of judgment.

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I will always decide what is best for the whole city."

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If you think the perceived conflict affects your ability of

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independent judgment or there

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is a strong appearance that you lack the ability to divorce

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yourself from the perceived conflict

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in making a decision, you should carefully consider whether

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abstention is appropriate.

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Often these are difficult judgment calls for which there

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are no absolute right answers.

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In making your decision, you should weigh the harm of

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participating against your general

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duty to serve on the board.

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You have a duty to participate and vote on all matters that

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come before the board unless

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you have a conflict or you lack information to decide the

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issue.

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Chapter 176 of the Texas Local Government Code requires you

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to file a Conflicts Disclosure

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Statement, CIS, with the city secretary if you or your

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family member A, has an employment

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or business relationship with a city contractor or vendor

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that results in taxable income or

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B, received or accepted one or more gifts from a city

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contractor or vendor excluding

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gifts of food, lodging, transportation, or entertainment

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accepted as a guest with an

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aggregate value of $250 in the preceding 12 months.

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You are required to file the form within seven days after

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you become aware of the relationship

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with the city.

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The CIS is signed under penalty of perjury and is a Class C

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misdemeanor to fail to timely

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file the form.

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However, it is a defense to prosecution if you file the CIS

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not later than the seventh

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day after you receive notice of violation.

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Therefore you have two chances to comply.

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By City Council rule, all boards must comply with the Texas

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Open Meetings Act.

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The Act generally provides that meetings of a board shall

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be public, although there are

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a few exceptions whereby a decision-making body may

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deliberate in a closed meeting.

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The most common exceptions include consultation with

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attorney, deliberations about real property,

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deliberations about gifts and donations, personnel matters,

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deliberation about security devices,

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competitive banners of certain public power utilities, and

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deliberation about economic

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development negotiations.

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There are criminal penalties for holding an unauthorized

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closed meeting for boards with

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decision-making authority.

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Written notice must be given of dates, times, and locations

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of all meetings.

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Minutes of each meeting must be taken and a record of votes

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and decisions kept as public

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record.

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It is important that when more than two members are in any

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given place where city business

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is being discussed, the meeting should be posted as a preca

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utionary measure to avoid

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the accusation of attempting or conspiring to conduct city

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business in private.

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It is also very important that the board limit discussion

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during meetings to only those items

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listed on the posted agenda.

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Conversation or action on items not posted on the agenda

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would also be considered a violation

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of the Act.

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The Open Meetings Act does not apply to purely social

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gatherings, conventions, or workshops

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such as Texas Municipal League events.

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Any specific question or issues should be referred to the

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City Attorney's Office through

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the staff liaison.

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The City Council has formally adopted rules of procedure

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that govern the proceeding of

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City Council, Board, and Commission meetings except where

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those rules are signed.

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In that case, the most recent edition of Robert's Rules of

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Order shall govern.

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The rules of procedure also address the Code of Conduct and

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Participation Guidelines for

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citizens, staff, and board members.

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A copy of the rules of procedure is included in the append

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ix section of the Unimor.

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The function of the chairperson is to provide leadership to

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the group in the following ways.

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One, to maintain order by enforcing the established rules

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and

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Two, to ensure the meeting proceeds smoothly and follows

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the agenda.

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If the group is indecisive, the chairperson should exercise

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leadership and make suggestions.

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When debate is concluded, the chairperson should summarize

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the major points made.

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In general, the chairperson should maintain order and try

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to bring the group to a conclusion

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on matters before it.

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It is important that the chairperson understands the

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parliamentary procedures of the board and

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is willing to use them to facilitate the business of the

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board.

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Here are a few obvious points that should be followed but

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are often forgotten.

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One, the chairperson should recognize the person or persons

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who wish to speak and only

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they should be allowed to speak.

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Others should hold their comments until they have the floor

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.

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Two, the board should discuss only one point at a time and

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should only discuss those items

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that are listed on the public agenda for discussion.

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If a board member would like to discuss an item not on the

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agenda, he or she may request

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that the item be placed on a future agenda for discussion.

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The discussion of an item that is not listed on the agenda

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may be a violation of the Open

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Meetings Act.

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Three, before discussion of an issue by board members, a

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motion should be made and seconded.

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The making of a motion normally occurs following a

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presentation or description of the issue

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by a staff member or chairperson.

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After the motion is made and seconded, debate can be

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conducted.

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Example of the proper form of a motion is, "Mr./Madam Chair

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person, I move the following."

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Four, if the meeting is a public hearing, the board should

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hear the public without making

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comments until questions are allowed by the chairperson.

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Board members may listen to citizens speak and may ask

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questions of citizens for clarification

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on the issue.

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Board members may not engage citizens in a discussion of

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the topic because to do so could

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potentially be a violation of the Open Meetings Act.

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These are important procedural rules that allow the public

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to clearly follow the deliberation

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of the board and provide for the most accurate recording of

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meeting minutes.

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The rules of procedure accommodate public comment on agenda

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items and public hearings.

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Members of the public may sign up to speak on regular

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agenda items by signing up with

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the recording secretary.

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Members of the public are also able to speak on items

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posted as a public hearing.

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Speakers generally have four minutes to address the board

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regarding the specific item.

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Other information regarding public participation in

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meetings may be found in the rules of procedure

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in the appendix section of your handbook.

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Again, congratulations on your appointment and thank you so

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much for your interest in

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serving your community.

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Your efforts will make Denton a better place to live and

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work.

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Any questions on this?

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I do have a question.

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Do you have a handbook?

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We can look into that.

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I'll get with the city secretary and if there are specific

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handbooks we can have that given

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to you.

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You mentioned you had a handbook and I'm like, "Mm-hmm."

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The magical handbook.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Any other questions, comments?

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Okay.

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So everybody's up to speed now.

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Okay.

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The next item of business is 1CTSC 18-03A, which is to

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receive a report and hold a discussion

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and make a recommendation to city council for approval of

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an amendment for advanced

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funding agreement for furnishing and installing of traffic

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signal equipment by municipality

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at the intersection of FM 2499 and Robinson Road.

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Okay.

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This is a similar item.

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It is an agreement between the city and TechStat to provide

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for funding specific signal equipment.

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So typically what happens is TechStat, when they go in and

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widen these streets and corridors,

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they install signals at intersections that require signal

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ization.

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And while doing so, the equipment is bought by TechStat,

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their contractors, and they install

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them.

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A lot of times what happens when we go that route, some of

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the equipment that is crucial

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to our communications, talking to different other signal

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equipment throughout the city,

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the type of equipment, the specifications of the equipment

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are not consistent and the

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contractor loses it in the contract.

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So what we try to do is we provide our own specific type of

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equipment, city buys it and

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provides it to TechStat while they're going through the

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construction.

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The ultimate goal being city is through an interlocal

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agreement, city manages all the

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traffic signals throughout the city for all TechStat

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facilities.

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So ultimately we want to make sure that we can communicate

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with the signal, we can maintain

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them, we have the right equipment to replace, and that's

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why we have to make sure that we're

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consistent in all the signal equipment.

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This is similar to the item that we brought forward for

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another intersection along FM2181

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last time around.

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And this is an agreement amendment.

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This particular FM2499 stretch had two signalized

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intersections, one at State School, which is

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right here, this is signalized, and then the other one was

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Unicorn Lakes.

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So these two signals are already in place and the agreement

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between the city and TechStat

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has been signed.

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The signalized intersection at Robinson and 2499 was added

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at a later stage and this is

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where we're back for an amendment.

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And staff recommendation is, commissioners, traffic safety

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commission recommends council

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for moving forward with this amendment and getting reimb

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ursed for the signal equipment

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that we've already supplied to TechStat.

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Any questions?

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Is this the same intersection we were looking at last week?

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So last, there is a little bit of confusion I think.

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Last week we came here for a no right turn on red.

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But it's the same intersection.

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It is the same intersection.

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But last week we came for an amendment of a different

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intersection on 2181.

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So the agreement was for a different location.

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This is an agreement for Robinson at 2499.

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Okay any discussion?

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Any questions for Preetam?

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I just want to make sure I understand because I'm new.

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So the city's already provided the equipment.

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You're simply saying yes, pay for it?

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Is that what we're doing?

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Preetam?

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I apologize for that.

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Typically it is not, this is sort of backwards typically.

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What happens is TechStat designs all these corridors and

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the signals and all the plans

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are prepared.

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Then they make sure that they list all the intersections in

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the agreement.

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And then that goes through the process of traffic safety

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commission approving it, recommending

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it to the city council.

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And then they go for construction.

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In this case they did not anticipate signalizing Robinson

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at 2499.

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So the work has already been completed.

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And now we're in the process of backtracking and how can we

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get our money back for the

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equipment that we've already provided.

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I have a question about what changed then.

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If they were anticipating the building of these roads and

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did not originally anticipate

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the need for traffic signaling at that intersection, what

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changed?

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The city convinced them.

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Typically for example on 2181, if you take an example on Te

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asley, we already know what

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the traffic is.

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It's a two lane highway.

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We know what the traffic is on the cross street.

546
00:25:50,599 --> 00:25:55,230
So you can go out there, collect existing data, do a signal

547
00:25:55,230 --> 00:25:57,099
warrants analysis.

548
00:25:57,099 --> 00:26:00,480
And based on that, okay, a signal is warranted.

549
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:01,799
There is already one there.

550
00:26:01,799 --> 00:26:06,029
So TechStat goes ahead and designs it in their widening

551
00:26:06,029 --> 00:26:07,039
project.

552
00:26:07,039 --> 00:26:11,430
When there is a brand new facility, something like 2499,

553
00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:13,279
they do not have the data.

554
00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:17,529
So a lot of times their approach at looking at things is

555
00:26:17,529 --> 00:26:20,200
once we construct it, we'll collect

556
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:25,240
the data at the later stage and then we'll implement it.

557
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,099
So when we went back and forth, we had to do a lot of

558
00:26:29,099 --> 00:26:31,359
convincing and prove that if you

559
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:36,200
leave this intersection un-signalized, there will be a lot

560
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,279
of backup on Robinson.

561
00:26:38,279 --> 00:26:41,200
They were planning an all-way stop here.

562
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,349
And yeah, we lived through that phase of this project, all

563
00:26:45,349 --> 00:26:46,519
the way stop.

564
00:26:46,519 --> 00:26:47,519
Okay.

565
00:26:47,519 --> 00:26:48,519
All right.

566
00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:52,119
So who issued the change order on that, the city or the

567
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:52,799
state?

568
00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:56,039
The state is trying to amend their agreement with the city.

569
00:26:56,039 --> 00:26:57,299
Trying to?

570
00:26:57,299 --> 00:26:58,299
This is an amendment.

571
00:26:58,299 --> 00:26:59,299
So it will...

572
00:26:59,299 --> 00:27:01,039
Oh, I thought I was on.

573
00:27:01,039 --> 00:27:02,039
Greenline.

574
00:27:02,039 --> 00:27:03,039
Greenline.

575
00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:04,039
Hello.

576
00:27:04,039 --> 00:27:05,039
I'm sorry.

577
00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:06,039
Hi.

578
00:27:06,039 --> 00:27:09,009
Again, the change order was issued by, as I understand, the

579
00:27:09,009 --> 00:27:09,559
state?

580
00:27:09,559 --> 00:27:10,559
Correct.

581
00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:14,420
The state realized they only have an agreement for two

582
00:27:14,420 --> 00:27:15,519
intersections.

583
00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:17,839
And since the city went ahead and helped them construct

584
00:27:17,839 --> 00:27:19,519
this third intersection, supplied

585
00:27:19,519 --> 00:27:23,079
the equipment already because it's running, they have

586
00:27:23,079 --> 00:27:25,599
issued an amendment to their existing

587
00:27:25,599 --> 00:27:26,599
agreement.

588
00:27:26,599 --> 00:27:27,599
A comment?

589
00:27:27,599 --> 00:27:32,349
For somebody like me who's relatively new to the community,

590
00:27:32,349 --> 00:27:34,880
I can look 2181 all day

591
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,039
long, but this map doesn't show it that way.

592
00:27:38,039 --> 00:27:45,400
Do you have maps to correspond to the FM 2181 or 2499 as

593
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,400
opposed to Robinson Road?

594
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:54,049
So we don't necessarily have a map that shows FM 2499, but

595
00:27:54,049 --> 00:27:56,599
this Barrelstrap Road and State

596
00:27:56,599 --> 00:28:01,599
School Road, this from FM 2181 is right here.

597
00:28:01,599 --> 00:28:04,779
From this point all the way to 35E.

598
00:28:04,779 --> 00:28:09,319
If you go further south at some point, this will show up as

599
00:28:09,319 --> 00:28:11,000
FM 2499.

600
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,519
But it's just a matter of which view you're looking at.

601
00:28:14,519 --> 00:28:19,759
An observation from last week, if I could.

602
00:28:19,759 --> 00:28:23,630
We were taking a vote and it came up that if we voted a

603
00:28:23,630 --> 00:28:26,279
certain way, we would lose some

604
00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:27,279
money?

605
00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:28,279
Correct.

606
00:28:28,279 --> 00:28:32,690
For a future, if that would be impacting on another future

607
00:28:32,690 --> 00:28:34,960
decision, can you state that

608
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,519
as part of the review for us up front?

609
00:28:38,519 --> 00:28:40,799
Okay, yes, definitely.

610
00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:43,509
It sets a precedence for the future projects that we're

611
00:28:43,509 --> 00:28:44,640
bringing forward.

612
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,640
Very good, thank you.

613
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,880
You can leave it on.

614
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:56,160
Any other questions, comments?

615
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,660
I would just say that maybe for Melissa's, since she wasn't

616
00:28:59,660 --> 00:29:01,160
here at the last one, we

617
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:06,930
voted against one which we learned after the vote means

618
00:29:06,930 --> 00:29:10,240
that the city paid out the money

619
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,319
and does not recoup it from the state.

620
00:29:12,319 --> 00:29:17,480
We reconsidered it and got the state to kick in.

621
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,630
So a no vote on this one would arrive at the same situation

622
00:29:21,630 --> 00:29:23,319
, right, Pritam?

623
00:29:23,319 --> 00:29:24,319
Correct.

624
00:29:24,319 --> 00:29:28,759
Okay, thanks.

625
00:29:28,759 --> 00:29:29,759
Anyone ready to make a motion?

626
00:29:29,759 --> 00:29:30,759
I'll make a motion to approve.

627
00:29:30,759 --> 00:29:31,759
Do we have a second?

628
00:29:31,759 --> 00:29:32,759
I'll second.

629
00:29:32,759 --> 00:29:33,759
Okay, do we have a second?

630
00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:38,759
Yeah, make sure the green lights are on.

631
00:29:38,759 --> 00:29:43,359
Okay, everyone in favor of the motion?

632
00:29:43,359 --> 00:29:44,359
Aye.

633
00:29:44,359 --> 00:29:47,920
Okay, anyone opposed?

634
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,200
And that passes unanimously.

635
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:51,200
Awesome.

636
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:58,079
Okay, that brings us to item 1D, TSC 18-039, which is to

637
00:29:58,079 --> 00:30:01,599
receive a report, hold discussion

638
00:30:01,599 --> 00:30:09,849
regarding neighborhood traffic management measures, traffic

639
00:30:09,849 --> 00:30:13,799
calming in the city of Denton.

640
00:30:13,799 --> 00:30:17,650
So traffic calming, this is a presentation that went before

641
00:30:17,650 --> 00:30:19,480
council to have specifically

642
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:24,480
asked for this particular item to be brought forward.

643
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:29,450
And this went in last week, Wednesday, part of it, I'm

644
00:30:29,450 --> 00:30:31,720
going to go through it.

645
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,799
If you have any questions in the middle, just stop me at a

646
00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:36,900
particular traffic calming option

647
00:30:36,900 --> 00:30:38,539
that you're looking at.

648
00:30:38,539 --> 00:30:43,930
And I think this starts or sets the stage moving forward

649
00:30:43,930 --> 00:30:45,500
for the city.

650
00:30:45,500 --> 00:30:46,500
What is our process?

651
00:30:46,500 --> 00:30:50,200
How are we dealing with neighborhood speeding concerns?

652
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,319
What are we doing as far as cut through traffic?

653
00:30:53,319 --> 00:30:55,119
How do we address neighborhood issues?

654
00:30:55,119 --> 00:30:59,299
There's been a lot of neighborhoods within the community

655
00:30:59,299 --> 00:31:02,200
that have raised this concern.

656
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,630
As Denton continues to grow, traffic on the major arterials

657
00:31:05,630 --> 00:31:07,920
is finding ways around neighborhoods

658
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,200
and getting through smaller streets at a higher speed.

659
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,369
That's something that no one really likes in their

660
00:31:14,369 --> 00:31:16,160
neighborhood, in their front yard.

661
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:20,690
So these are certain, this is how we're trying to handle

662
00:31:20,690 --> 00:31:21,440
this.

663
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,599
I'll also talk about some next steps towards the end of the

664
00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:26,960
presentation.

665
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,980
But in general, what are we doing?

666
00:31:30,980 --> 00:31:33,000
So what is traffic calming?

667
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,619
It is mainly used for reducing speed as well as high cut

668
00:31:37,619 --> 00:31:41,160
through traffic through neighborhood

669
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:42,160
streets.

670
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,670
So really local residential streets, that where you have

671
00:31:46,670 --> 00:31:49,039
actual driveways and you back

672
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:53,200
out on the street while you're getting out of your houses.

673
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,559
On those particular streets, what are the steps?

674
00:31:55,559 --> 00:31:56,559
How do we address this?

675
00:31:56,559 --> 00:32:00,799
So the first, look at the three step method that we are,

676
00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:03,279
the first thing we do is educate

677
00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:06,119
people, make them aware of the situation.

678
00:32:06,119 --> 00:32:09,980
A lot of times there have been neighborhoods where

679
00:32:09,980 --> 00:32:13,279
neighbors themselves, people that live

680
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:18,119
in the actual neighborhood subdivision community are

681
00:32:18,119 --> 00:32:21,680
participant to some of the speeding and

682
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,160
other activities.

683
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,339
So a lot of times if there's local awareness that helps

684
00:32:27,339 --> 00:32:29,759
address some of the issues.

685
00:32:29,759 --> 00:32:32,000
The second step is definitely enforcement.

686
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,359
We focus a lot on enforcement and I'll go through what

687
00:32:35,359 --> 00:32:37,920
police department staff is currently

688
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,640
doing and what kind of method they're using.

689
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,690
And then last, engineering, which is how do we physically

690
00:32:44,690 --> 00:32:47,640
address this issue using engineering?

691
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:52,470
How do we narrow streets down, put in some of the traffic

692
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:54,960
calming devices in place so

693
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,990
that actual traffic slows down or is forced to slow down

694
00:32:58,990 --> 00:33:01,119
because of the features.

695
00:33:01,119 --> 00:33:05,009
So the first step, education and enforcement go hand in

696
00:33:05,009 --> 00:33:05,660
hand.

697
00:33:05,660 --> 00:33:09,509
Police department uses this method called SARA, which is

698
00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:11,440
scan, analyze, respond and

699
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:12,619
assess.

700
00:33:12,619 --> 00:33:16,000
So once they get a speeding complaint, the first thing they

701
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,460
are doing is doing speed

702
00:33:17,460 --> 00:33:20,609
studies to understand are people really speeding through

703
00:33:20,609 --> 00:33:21,880
this neighborhood?

704
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:22,880
What is the percentage?

705
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,400
Are a lot of people speeding?

706
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:32,430
If they're more than 85th percentile speed is more than the

707
00:33:32,430 --> 00:33:35,799
posted speed limit, then

708
00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:40,019
the police department staff continues to for the next two

709
00:33:40,019 --> 00:33:42,799
to three weeks do a robust education

710
00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:45,960
and enforcement campaign.

711
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,130
It's a combination of stopping people warning them if they

712
00:33:50,130 --> 00:33:52,079
're in a different range and

713
00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:56,450
then enforcing or ticketing them if they're really above,

714
00:33:56,450 --> 00:33:59,640
way above the posted speed limit.

715
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:04,799
After that two to three weeks, another second study is

716
00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:08,199
conducted and that's where they want

717
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:11,760
to focus their attention on has the behavior changed?

718
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,349
If there are any changes in the behavior, have people

719
00:34:14,349 --> 00:34:16,199
really started understanding that

720
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:19,369
these are not the streets that they should be traveling at

721
00:34:19,369 --> 00:34:21,280
the rate that they're doing?

722
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:25,139
And the last one is a third speed study and this is

723
00:34:25,139 --> 00:34:28,079
typically about two months after the

724
00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:31,429
second and they want to go back and see if the changes that

725
00:34:31,429 --> 00:34:33,440
they're trying to bring about

726
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:34,760
are they permanent?

727
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:35,800
Not permanent.

728
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,880
So this is the process that we go through in the first two

729
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:39,480
steps.

730
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:44,659
Now at the end of this particular process, if it continues

731
00:34:44,659 --> 00:34:47,159
to happen that the speeders

732
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:50,239
continue to speed, if there's a large amount of cut through

733
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:51,719
traffic, then the next item

734
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,679
that we look at is engineering.

735
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:59,079
Okay, Tim, I have a question about the 85 percent, 85

736
00:34:59,079 --> 00:35:01,960
percent of the vehicles are above

737
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,239
the posted speed limit.

738
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,360
How is that decision made?

739
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:11,329
So this is through a lot of engineering studies and data

740
00:35:11,329 --> 00:35:14,659
collection that traffic engineers

741
00:35:14,659 --> 00:35:19,260
throughout the nation have come to the conclusion that

742
00:35:19,260 --> 00:35:22,880
depending on the clues and the environment

743
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:27,469
that a person is driving, typically if 85 percent of the

744
00:35:27,469 --> 00:35:29,519
people are driving under a

745
00:35:29,519 --> 00:35:34,489
certain speed, that is identified as a speed limit for that

746
00:35:34,489 --> 00:35:36,440
particular roadway.

747
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,960
So if you really have a wide street, large street and

748
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,000
people are really driving at a

749
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,170
kind of fast rate, then that becomes a normal norm because

750
00:35:45,170 --> 00:35:47,360
the environment that you're driving,

751
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:48,360
the driver gets comfortable.

752
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,159
It's more of a psychological assessment.

753
00:35:52,159 --> 00:35:54,739
And the more and more features, if you have more

754
00:35:54,739 --> 00:35:57,159
residential features, if you have narrow

755
00:35:57,159 --> 00:35:59,889
street or parking and the types of, that's part of the

756
00:35:59,889 --> 00:36:01,639
options that we have for traffic

757
00:36:01,639 --> 00:36:05,860
calming, then it makes it less desirable for any driver to

758
00:36:05,860 --> 00:36:08,280
be traveling at that particular

759
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:09,280
speed.

760
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,139
So if 85 percent of the people are driving at a speed limit

761
00:36:13,139 --> 00:36:15,119
or below it, then that becomes

762
00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:17,079
your speed limit or that's the 85 percent.

763
00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:19,400
So that's a national standard.

764
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:20,400
That's a national standard.

765
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,559
And then in some neighborhoods, is there a way for us in

766
00:36:24,559 --> 00:36:26,639
Denton then to have more of

767
00:36:26,639 --> 00:36:30,039
a graduated look at that?

768
00:36:30,039 --> 00:36:35,010
Like there are some neighborhoods where if 20 percent of

769
00:36:35,010 --> 00:36:37,599
the drivers are above the speed

770
00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:44,510
limit, then the risk to children, to pedestrians, to cycl

771
00:36:44,510 --> 00:36:48,519
ists on the road is more intense.

772
00:36:48,519 --> 00:36:49,800
Correct.

773
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,900
So I think that's the next step is to go to engineering and

774
00:36:53,900 --> 00:36:55,880
force people to slow down

775
00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:00,090
at some of these nodes, intersections or along the stretch

776
00:37:00,090 --> 00:37:01,320
of the street.

777
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,320
There are different options that can be looked into as to

778
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,119
when you're entering a specific

779
00:37:06,119 --> 00:37:09,409
neighborhood or when you're going through a neighborhood,

780
00:37:09,409 --> 00:37:10,760
what are the options?

781
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,369
If there's a lot of cut through traffic, because a lot of

782
00:37:13,369 --> 00:37:15,079
times it's not the local residents

783
00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:17,090
that are living in the community, a lot of cut through

784
00:37:17,090 --> 00:37:18,360
folks that are rushing through

785
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:19,480
the area.

786
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,840
So there are different alternatives that we can go through.

787
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:26,880
And yeah, absolutely engineering is a way to address that.

788
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,880
Thank you.

789
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,219
So I want to start with what are the most common requests

790
00:37:33,219 --> 00:37:35,679
when it comes to slowing people down

791
00:37:35,679 --> 00:37:39,360
and there are some misconceptions associated with that.

792
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,280
So the number one request is stop signs.

793
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,130
Everyone wants a stop sign along the corridor so that

794
00:37:47,130 --> 00:37:49,400
people will slow down and stop at

795
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,460
each and every intersection.

796
00:37:51,460 --> 00:37:56,429
On the contrary, studies have shown that if a person is

797
00:37:56,429 --> 00:37:59,719
traveling and stop signs are placed

798
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,989
to reduce speed, not necessarily warranted, there's a whole

799
00:38:02,989 --> 00:38:04,440
warrant process that goes

800
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,300
through the stop sign, but if they're not warranted, they

801
00:38:07,300 --> 00:38:08,599
're installed for slowing

802
00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:12,659
folks down, they will come to a rolling stop first and then

803
00:38:12,659 --> 00:38:15,039
second, they will try and speed

804
00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:16,920
up between the intersections.

805
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,789
So those studies have proven that it is not really an

806
00:38:20,789 --> 00:38:23,559
effective tool and second, if it's

807
00:38:23,559 --> 00:38:26,440
not warranted, it cannot be enforced.

808
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:31,210
So it's not enforceable, we cannot regulate that, PD cannot

809
00:38:31,210 --> 00:38:33,159
go out and ticket if it's

810
00:38:33,159 --> 00:38:34,159
not warranted.

811
00:38:34,159 --> 00:38:38,699
So if there is a case if someone challenges, legally we

812
00:38:38,699 --> 00:38:41,639
cannot really issue a citation.

813
00:38:41,639 --> 00:38:44,579
So that is a misconception.

814
00:38:44,579 --> 00:38:50,250
Stop signs are typically installed based on federal and

815
00:38:50,250 --> 00:38:53,719
state guidelines and those yield

816
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,170
and stop signs, these are regulatory signs, cannot be used

817
00:38:57,170 --> 00:38:58,519
for speed control.

818
00:38:58,519 --> 00:38:59,760
So that's the first thing.

819
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,340
And I'll get on, touch a little bit more on the speed house

820
00:39:02,340 --> 00:39:05,039
, but that's the second most

821
00:39:05,039 --> 00:39:11,510
common, that's the second most common request for reducing

822
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:12,440
speed.

823
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,280
This is the process that we typically follow.

824
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,230
Obviously when we get, I touched on the first couple, we

825
00:39:19,230 --> 00:39:21,000
get a request, we go through the

826
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,639
education enforcement piece.

827
00:39:24,639 --> 00:39:28,000
Part of that also includes data collection and assessment.

828
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:33,309
And here's how we determine eligibility is if your average

829
00:39:33,309 --> 00:39:36,159
volume is, average daily volume

830
00:39:36,159 --> 00:39:42,039
is 1000 vehicles or 100 peak hour vehicles, that's a good

831
00:39:42,039 --> 00:39:44,280
candidate for a street to look

832
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,280
at cut through traffic as well as speeding.

833
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,409
The 85th percentile, we talked about that, if the 85th

834
00:39:51,409 --> 00:39:53,559
percentile speed is five or more

835
00:39:53,559 --> 00:39:57,409
than the speed limit, so for example 30 miles an hour is

836
00:39:57,409 --> 00:39:59,400
the speed limit, if majority of

837
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:04,150
the folks, 85 percent are going more than that, five more

838
00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:06,559
than that, more than 35, so

839
00:40:06,559 --> 00:40:09,690
that at that point it becomes a good candidate to get into

840
00:40:09,690 --> 00:40:12,039
the next step for looking at engineering

841
00:40:12,039 --> 00:40:13,519
solutions.

842
00:40:13,519 --> 00:40:18,250
And then of course a lot of cut through traffic with 100

843
00:40:18,250 --> 00:40:19,739
trips in there.

844
00:40:19,739 --> 00:40:22,199
So what do we do after we get all this data?

845
00:40:22,199 --> 00:40:27,820
We develop a plan, traffic calming is, I wouldn't say

846
00:40:27,820 --> 00:40:32,320
controversial, but very choice specific

847
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,889
between different residents, some residents like it,

848
00:40:34,889 --> 00:40:36,320
certain ways, some don't.

849
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:41,480
So we do have to develop a plan and get a neighborhood

850
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,519
meeting, a community sort of

851
00:40:44,519 --> 00:40:47,409
most preferred alternative, not everyone's going to agree,

852
00:40:47,409 --> 00:40:48,900
but if we go through the process

853
00:40:48,900 --> 00:40:51,650
of reaching out to the community and saying this is the

854
00:40:51,650 --> 00:40:53,360
majority of the folks, this is

855
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,750
a better option than the other one, at that point that

856
00:40:57,750 --> 00:41:00,519
concept is chosen and then we can

857
00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:03,389
move forward with the next steps as far as funding,

858
00:41:03,389 --> 00:41:05,559
engineering design, and then after

859
00:41:05,559 --> 00:41:10,050
that construction portion just assess the effectiveness,

860
00:41:10,050 --> 00:41:12,199
evaluate it, how much is, this

861
00:41:12,199 --> 00:41:17,280
is the process that staff typically follows.

862
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:22,000
We are actually in the preliminary stages of implementing

863
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,679
this everywhere.

864
00:41:23,679 --> 00:41:27,929
This is something new that the city has started so that we

865
00:41:27,929 --> 00:41:31,039
can address some resident concerns.

866
00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:33,559
Yes, Jim.

867
00:41:33,559 --> 00:41:38,099
One of the factors, I saw the presentation you did at the

868
00:41:38,099 --> 00:41:39,239
other one.

869
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,210
One of the factors is it might be a temporary problem

870
00:41:41,210 --> 00:41:42,559
because of road construction.

871
00:41:42,559 --> 00:41:43,559
Correct.

872
00:41:43,559 --> 00:41:47,170
So if you're going to do three studies and you're going to

873
00:41:47,170 --> 00:41:48,880
do them within two months,

874
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,239
it may not be the good approach.

875
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,159
Yeah, and I'm glad you brought that up.

876
00:41:55,159 --> 00:41:59,530
We are going through a similar issue along some of the

877
00:41:59,530 --> 00:42:02,960
neighborhoods off of FM 2181.

878
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,400
There are certain parallels, North, South Street that run

879
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:06,840
through neighborhood and people

880
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,519
cut over into that neighborhood.

881
00:42:09,519 --> 00:42:13,019
So as TechStop moves forward with some of their projects,

882
00:42:13,019 --> 00:42:14,960
we move forward with our bigger

883
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,440
capital projects.

884
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,829
We identify a lot of these neighborhoods that are going to

885
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:21,480
be on a temporary basis.

886
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,650
One of the things that we're also looking at is what is a

887
00:42:24,650 --> 00:42:26,960
temporary engineering solution?

888
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:31,030
By that I mean how can we install some of these traffic

889
00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:33,559
calming devices on a temporary

890
00:42:33,559 --> 00:42:37,099
basis, on a bolt down basis, or are there any signs and

891
00:42:37,099 --> 00:42:39,400
markings that we can use better?

892
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,559
So there are different ways of looking at it.

893
00:42:42,559 --> 00:42:47,090
We can actually go ahead and install curbs or bulb outs

894
00:42:47,090 --> 00:42:50,119
using temporary rubberized curbs

895
00:42:50,119 --> 00:42:53,250
that will be bolted throughout the construction period of a

896
00:42:53,250 --> 00:42:54,880
year or two years, and then we

897
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,159
can be removed after the issue has been resolved.

898
00:42:58,159 --> 00:43:02,239
So there are several ways that we can address this issue.

899
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,280
Yes?

900
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,639
What do you think is the cause of the problem?

901
00:43:07,639 --> 00:43:11,820
What leads to roads that ... the problem in the first place

902
00:43:11,820 --> 00:43:13,599
, is it the roads are built

903
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:14,599
too wide?

904
00:43:14,599 --> 00:43:16,599
Is it just that there's congestion in other areas?

905
00:43:16,599 --> 00:43:20,969
Is there anything planning long term we can do differently,

906
00:43:20,969 --> 00:43:22,559
and are we doing it?

907
00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:29,030
So yes, the main cause of this is how well the city is

908
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:30,599
planned.

909
00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:33,400
Are there master plans in place?

910
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:37,840
Have you already identified major arterials and thorough

911
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,360
fare that should be in place when

912
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:41,960
the traffic arrives?

913
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,929
So it's a combination of development happening at the same

914
00:43:44,929 --> 00:43:46,840
time the city's trying to implement

915
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,320
their master plan.

916
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:53,159
So a lot of times there is not really an overlap.

917
00:43:53,159 --> 00:43:54,920
We miss the dates.

918
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:56,800
The schedules are not the same.

919
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,260
So by the time one of the capital project goes in, there's

920
00:44:00,260 --> 00:44:01,960
already two subdivisions

921
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:02,960
in place.

922
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,360
So that kind of creates an issue that that subdivision

923
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,280
receives a lot of cut through

924
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,719
traffic until the project goes in.

925
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,159
The prime example is FM 2181.

926
00:44:14,159 --> 00:44:17,199
2181 has been in the design for 10 years.

927
00:44:17,199 --> 00:44:20,719
It's just by the time it went to construction, it is ... we

928
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,119
're in 2018.

929
00:44:22,119 --> 00:44:27,090
So what has happened if 2181 was already constructed to a

930
00:44:27,090 --> 00:44:30,039
full six lane facility as it's planned

931
00:44:30,039 --> 00:44:33,889
today, then some of this neighborhood cut through traffic

932
00:44:33,889 --> 00:44:35,559
and speeding would have not

933
00:44:35,559 --> 00:44:36,559
occurred.

934
00:44:36,559 --> 00:44:39,159
So it's a matter of scheduling.

935
00:44:39,159 --> 00:44:43,750
And as we grow, city is going to go through some sort of

936
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:44,679
pains.

937
00:44:44,679 --> 00:44:51,170
How many of these street sites are ... can you do it once

938
00:44:51,170 --> 00:44:52,659
as a study?

939
00:44:52,659 --> 00:44:57,000
We can look at a total neighborhood for a study.

940
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,849
So there are areas that can be identified saying, for

941
00:45:00,849 --> 00:45:03,199
example, I think Fulton is a great

942
00:45:03,199 --> 00:45:04,199
example.

943
00:45:04,199 --> 00:45:06,119
There is Fulton intersection at Egan.

944
00:45:06,119 --> 00:45:09,630
There are several intersections along Fulton near Denton

945
00:45:09,630 --> 00:45:11,559
High, between Denton High and

946
00:45:11,559 --> 00:45:14,320
US 380 and that whole neighborhood.

947
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,889
So instead of just focusing on one street or one

948
00:45:16,889 --> 00:45:19,079
intersection, we can look at the grid

949
00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:23,269
system of all the streets coming in and create a wholesome

950
00:45:23,269 --> 00:45:26,000
plan that says, okay, within this

951
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:30,110
neighborhood there are certain areas that should be

952
00:45:30,110 --> 00:45:33,639
restricted or deter people by implementing

953
00:45:33,639 --> 00:45:35,199
some of these traffic calming devices.

954
00:45:35,199 --> 00:45:38,429
So they would not use those, instead use University or some

955
00:45:38,429 --> 00:45:40,480
of the larger streets that are meant

956
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:41,480
for traffic.

957
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:42,480
Any other questions?

958
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:43,480
I'll move on.

959
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:49,400
Okay, so these are the options that are a bunch of more.

960
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,440
So these are about 14.

961
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,000
We have some more that are not listed here.

962
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:59,440
I'm going to focus on the first seven on the left side.

963
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,079
So I'm going to talk about all of these.

964
00:46:02,079 --> 00:46:03,079
These are there.

965
00:46:03,079 --> 00:46:05,840
If you're interested, I can provide more information on

966
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,920
what exactly they are and pros and cons

967
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,639
and stuff like that.

968
00:46:09,639 --> 00:46:11,920
Let's start with speed humps.

969
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,159
Everyone knows what that is.

970
00:46:13,159 --> 00:46:18,170
It's a three, four inch bump in the road, which is about 12

971
00:46:18,170 --> 00:46:20,400
to 20 feet wide with the

972
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,239
typical width of the road.

973
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,719
And then it's commonly used for traffic calming.

974
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,269
Appropriate locations are in mid-block, generally on a

975
00:46:29,269 --> 00:46:32,360
street and in the residential neighborhood.

976
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,239
What are the advantages?

977
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:38,199
Yeah, it is effective in slowing traffic.

978
00:46:38,199 --> 00:46:39,199
Relatively low cost.

979
00:46:39,199 --> 00:46:42,360
It's a matter of adding a little bit more asphalt.

980
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:48,130
But once you start focusing in on the disadvantages, things

981
00:46:48,130 --> 00:46:50,719
get much more clear why.

982
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:54,000
The main issue is the emergency response.

983
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:58,570
This is not so much so that it would reduce the response

984
00:46:58,570 --> 00:47:01,000
time or affect it as much.

985
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:05,280
It's more of a hazard for paramedics.

986
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,400
It's ambulances going over these.

987
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:12,369
And when patients, especially when patients are in, the

988
00:47:12,369 --> 00:47:14,840
amount of displacement or the

989
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,239
amount of speed that they can drive on considerably reduces

990
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:18,519
.

991
00:47:18,519 --> 00:47:20,639
So that's a major concern.

992
00:47:20,639 --> 00:47:22,920
It definitely is an issue.

993
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,420
If it's a major transit route, you don't want the bus to

994
00:47:26,420 --> 00:47:28,360
slow down every single speed

995
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:29,639
hump that you're in.

996
00:47:29,639 --> 00:47:33,400
And then the last one is the drainage concerns.

997
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,690
If the speed hump extends all the way to the drainage,

998
00:47:36,690 --> 00:47:39,079
definitely there are issues of water

999
00:47:39,079 --> 00:47:40,840
not moving forward.

1000
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,159
So these are the main drawbacks.

1001
00:47:43,159 --> 00:47:47,550
And that's why speed humps, typically the easiest one, are

1002
00:47:47,550 --> 00:47:49,500
not recommended because they

1003
00:47:49,500 --> 00:47:51,360
have some serious drawbacks.

1004
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,760
What is the alternative?

1005
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:58,000
Well, why is it that you said it's the most requested?

1006
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,230
And is it simply because people don't know that there is an

1007
00:48:01,230 --> 00:48:03,280
entire suite of other options?

1008
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,239
Is that the default setting?

1009
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:06,239
Correct.

1010
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,000
It has been used widely.

1011
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,360
And that's what people know.

1012
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,949
So there's a lot more information out there about that as

1013
00:48:12,949 --> 00:48:14,880
opposed to anything else.

1014
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:20,239
So this is an improved version of the speed humps.

1015
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,760
These are called speed cushions.

1016
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:28,329
And they do exactly what the speed humps do, but they do

1017
00:48:28,329 --> 00:48:32,079
have these grooves that are spaced

1018
00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:36,489
such that only emergency vehicles with wider wheelbase,

1019
00:48:36,489 --> 00:48:39,519
axlebase, can actually drive through

1020
00:48:39,519 --> 00:48:41,719
these grooves.

1021
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,800
No trucks, passenger vehicles cannot drive through these

1022
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,519
grooves because their axle bases

1023
00:48:46,519 --> 00:48:48,000
are not wide enough.

1024
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:52,860
I think this is about 71 inches wide, 70 or 71.

1025
00:48:52,860 --> 00:48:56,710
So if there are places such that you have these spaces in

1026
00:48:56,710 --> 00:48:58,519
there and then there is space

1027
00:48:58,519 --> 00:49:03,369
at the end near the drainage, so drainage issues go away,

1028
00:49:03,369 --> 00:49:05,920
the emergency vehicle issues

1029
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:06,920
go away.

1030
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:08,639
This is a better picture.

1031
00:49:08,639 --> 00:49:13,309
And to your point, Commissioner Owens, that these are bolt

1032
00:49:13,309 --> 00:49:15,440
downs, so you can put them

1033
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:19,360
for a couple years and then take them out when construction

1034
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,079
is completed or the issue

1035
00:49:21,079 --> 00:49:22,559
has gone away.

1036
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:27,599
One of the also a good aspect of the bolt downs is it can

1037
00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:30,599
also be used as an educational

1038
00:49:30,599 --> 00:49:31,800
tool.

1039
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:36,519
So if an area or a community feels that majority of the

1040
00:49:36,519 --> 00:49:39,760
people that are really speeding in

1041
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,119
our area are locals, are folks that live in, and all we

1042
00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:45,599
need is more education, get everyone

1043
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:48,559
on board, then we can implement this for six months or a

1044
00:49:48,559 --> 00:49:50,320
year, a couple years, take it

1045
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:55,289
out after that so that people get in a routine of following

1046
00:49:55,289 --> 00:49:56,539
that habit.

1047
00:49:56,539 --> 00:50:00,559
So obviously there are several advantages here.

1048
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:04,420
It does help in reducing vehicular speeds, minimal impact

1049
00:50:04,420 --> 00:50:06,320
to emergency vehicles, and

1050
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,599
then you can also use them on emergency route.

1051
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:12,460
One of the drawbacks that's shown here, there might be some

1052
00:50:12,460 --> 00:50:13,639
traffic diversion.

1053
00:50:13,639 --> 00:50:17,199
If you install those, people are not going to use the same

1054
00:50:17,199 --> 00:50:17,860
route.

1055
00:50:17,860 --> 00:50:19,519
They might go to the neighborhood streets.

1056
00:50:19,519 --> 00:50:22,599
So that's why when we look at traffic calming, we look at

1057
00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:23,679
the grid pattern.

1058
00:50:23,679 --> 00:50:28,650
We look at all the streets and identify if certain aspects

1059
00:50:28,650 --> 00:50:30,880
or if the traffic would be

1060
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:31,880
diverted.

1061
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,170
If it will be, then we have to come up with a different

1062
00:50:35,170 --> 00:50:36,400
plan to address.

1063
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:40,769
On street parking, as I alluded to a little bit early, this

1064
00:50:40,769 --> 00:50:42,599
is also part or can be used

1065
00:50:42,599 --> 00:50:46,460
for calming traffic when there are narrower lanes, when

1066
00:50:46,460 --> 00:50:48,599
there's little width available

1067
00:50:48,599 --> 00:50:50,460
for driving on.

1068
00:50:50,460 --> 00:50:54,309
Then people tend to go slow, they stay away from some of

1069
00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:56,800
these cars that are already parked,

1070
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,659
thinking you might hit someone's doors or someone's

1071
00:50:59,659 --> 00:51:01,079
probably getting out.

1072
00:51:01,079 --> 00:51:03,960
You're cautious, you're attentive.

1073
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,679
So that helps calm traffic.

1074
00:51:07,679 --> 00:51:10,159
So here are some of the advantages.

1075
00:51:10,159 --> 00:51:13,159
It helps reduce it.

1076
00:51:13,159 --> 00:51:16,630
It also acts as a buffer between the pedestrians on the

1077
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:19,599
sidewalk and the actual vehicles traveling

1078
00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:23,360
in the lanes.

1079
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,920
Disadvantage clearly are visibility of pedestrians.

1080
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,800
That's a big disadvantage that if there are cars parked too

1081
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,000
close, there are gaps that

1082
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,760
pedestrians can run through, especially kids.

1083
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,360
And/or if you want to step outside the curb and cross the

1084
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:40,800
street, it becomes an issue

1085
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:41,920
for visibility.

1086
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:48,000
So there are obviously some risks associated with this.

1087
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,440
And then even risk for cyclists for dooring.

1088
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,280
I mean, that's also common.

1089
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:58,429
If a cyclist is using the travel lanes, then someone opens

1090
00:51:58,429 --> 00:52:01,679
the door, that becomes an issue.

1091
00:52:01,679 --> 00:52:03,840
Traffic circles, this is slightly separate.

1092
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,199
This is different than the roundabouts.

1093
00:52:07,199 --> 00:52:09,320
This is a typical intersection.

1094
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,300
That's where you can install those.

1095
00:52:12,300 --> 00:52:17,369
And every person that enters a circle has to negotiate on

1096
00:52:17,369 --> 00:52:19,639
the right side so they go

1097
00:52:19,639 --> 00:52:22,199
around the circle.

1098
00:52:22,199 --> 00:52:26,329
These are typically installed with either yield signs so

1099
00:52:26,329 --> 00:52:28,559
that people, when they're approaching

1100
00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:32,139
an intersection, they yield to the traffic within the

1101
00:52:32,139 --> 00:52:32,940
circle.

1102
00:52:32,940 --> 00:52:38,619
They're not advised for higher volumes because it's not

1103
00:52:38,619 --> 00:52:41,960
designed for a higher volume.

1104
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,400
Here are some of these advantages.

1105
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,739
The potential conflict points are very little because any

1106
00:52:47,739 --> 00:52:49,920
person coming into the intersection

1107
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,199
is only looking to their left.

1108
00:52:52,199 --> 00:52:56,480
So they're only conflicting one direction of traffic.

1109
00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:00,420
And then you can actually landscape some of this to enhance

1110
00:53:00,420 --> 00:53:03,159
the appearance of the neighborhood.

1111
00:53:03,159 --> 00:53:05,400
So that's traffic circle.

1112
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,079
What are some of the disadvantages?

1113
00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:12,130
It's difficult for emergency vehicles to go through the

1114
00:53:12,130 --> 00:53:12,960
circle.

1115
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:17,329
Essentially what traffic circle does is this island in the

1116
00:53:17,329 --> 00:53:20,000
middle impedes any through traffic

1117
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:21,159
to go fast.

1118
00:53:21,159 --> 00:53:25,190
It forces everyone to really slow down, make this very

1119
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:28,039
slowly, and then continue going.

1120
00:53:28,039 --> 00:53:31,039
So it does help even though they're not completely coming

1121
00:53:31,039 --> 00:53:33,320
to a stop, they're slowing considerably

1122
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:34,440
down.

1123
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,949
And if you have some of these at certain intersections or

1124
00:53:37,949 --> 00:53:40,800
intervals, you can definitely help create

1125
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:45,050
an impact on the actual speed of flowing through the

1126
00:53:45,050 --> 00:53:46,199
corridor.

1127
00:53:46,199 --> 00:53:50,050
They're also an issue for larger vehicles, trucks, buses

1128
00:53:50,050 --> 00:53:51,320
that cannot turn in.

1129
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,190
But if you're in a smaller neighborhood that doesn't have

1130
00:53:54,190 --> 00:53:55,719
that much of that traffic, then

1131
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:59,320
those are the places you can install them.

1132
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:04,599
Some impacts for on-street parking at the corners.

1133
00:54:04,599 --> 00:54:07,900
The on-street parking at the corners have to be restricted

1134
00:54:07,900 --> 00:54:09,519
so cars can get over closer

1135
00:54:09,519 --> 00:54:11,840
to the curb and then turn.

1136
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:15,800
So those are some of the disadvantages.

1137
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,340
So the traffic circle is a roundabout with a smaller

1138
00:54:19,340 --> 00:54:20,400
footprint.

1139
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,480
Are there other pieces that are different?

1140
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:24,480
They're different.

1141
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,760
I'll pull up a roundabout.

1142
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,239
Traffic circle is not a roundabout.

1143
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:35,880
It's more of an intersection with an island in the middle.

1144
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,130
And this island in the middle, what it essentially is doing

1145
00:54:39,130 --> 00:54:41,320
is forcing people to slow down because

1146
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:45,000
they can no longer go through the intersection.

1147
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:50,159
What a roundabout does, which is next, what a roundabout

1148
00:54:50,159 --> 00:54:52,920
does is actually channelizes

1149
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,840
people with these deflector islands.

1150
00:54:55,840 --> 00:55:01,949
It will channelize people to enter this area slowly with

1151
00:55:01,949 --> 00:55:05,639
much wider turning radius on each

1152
00:55:05,639 --> 00:55:06,639
side.

1153
00:55:06,639 --> 00:55:07,840
So a little bit more space is required.

1154
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,239
You have to better plan this.

1155
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:14,090
And with this, the only thing you're looking at while you

1156
00:55:14,090 --> 00:55:16,079
're yielding is this one vehicle

1157
00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:17,079
coming in.

1158
00:55:17,079 --> 00:55:21,079
And there could be multiple vehicles within this round area

1159
00:55:21,079 --> 00:55:21,840
around.

1160
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,760
It's a much larger area.

1161
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:28,320
And while exiting, you're exiting at a different angle.

1162
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,039
So the angles are different.

1163
00:55:30,039 --> 00:55:33,519
They force vehicles to enter much slower.

1164
00:55:33,519 --> 00:55:39,989
And there can be several vehicles within the island, within

1165
00:55:39,989 --> 00:55:43,800
this area inside the roundabout.

1166
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,199
Circulating vehicle, these are all the things.

1167
00:55:46,199 --> 00:55:50,159
Parking is not allowed within this area.

1168
00:55:50,159 --> 00:55:54,309
And then all of the vehicles circulate counterclockwise,

1169
00:55:54,309 --> 00:55:56,559
passing through the island.

1170
00:55:56,559 --> 00:56:00,130
So when you're talking about the traffic circle and you

1171
00:56:00,130 --> 00:56:02,840
said that it's best in an application

1172
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:10,360
where the intersection sees fewer than 3,500 trips a day?

1173
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,400
Correct.

1174
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:17,369
Are there -- give me an example of an intersection that you

1175
00:56:17,369 --> 00:56:20,079
might be aware of that would fit

1176
00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:24,920
the definition for that application?

1177
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:29,159
So these are smaller intersections, definitely.

1178
00:56:29,159 --> 00:56:33,630
And I'm not sure about the 3,500 because I don't have the

1179
00:56:33,630 --> 00:56:35,639
count numbers on top of my

1180
00:56:35,639 --> 00:56:36,639
head.

1181
00:56:36,639 --> 00:56:41,190
But some of the intersections within that Fulton/Egan can

1182
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:43,320
be looked at to really slow

1183
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:46,590
down someone that is passing through that intersection at a

1184
00:56:46,590 --> 00:56:47,719
very high speed.

1185
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:49,940
So when they're passing through the intersection, they know

1186
00:56:49,940 --> 00:56:51,119
that there is an island and they

1187
00:56:51,119 --> 00:56:52,119
have to slow down.

1188
00:56:52,119 --> 00:56:54,599
So definitely it will slow down.

1189
00:56:54,599 --> 00:56:56,920
You don't have to make any changes to the outside curve at

1190
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:58,000
these intersections.

1191
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:02,369
So that's why this is an option instead of having a full-bl

1192
00:57:02,369 --> 00:57:04,360
own roundabout where you have

1193
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,559
to redesign and rework everything.

1194
00:57:06,559 --> 00:57:10,599
This is like an inner option that you can throw in there.

1195
00:57:10,599 --> 00:57:13,340
And this would be something, if you were going to plan for

1196
00:57:13,340 --> 00:57:15,039
a traffic circle, you would have

1197
00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:20,010
to get, for instance, bus patterns because of the

1198
00:57:20,010 --> 00:57:23,440
difficulty of making a left turn and

1199
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:28,000
location to the nearest fire station.

1200
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:29,000
Correct.

1201
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:32,429
So emergency routes and bus routes and we have to identify

1202
00:57:32,429 --> 00:57:33,360
all of that.

1203
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:37,210
So as long as you find that you have an intersection where

1204
00:57:37,210 --> 00:57:39,519
you know that there's not going to be

1205
00:57:39,519 --> 00:57:43,380
public transportation or school transportation needing to

1206
00:57:43,380 --> 00:57:44,400
make the left.

1207
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,039
If they could come in from another way and they're aware of

1208
00:57:47,039 --> 00:57:48,280
that, then that would be

1209
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:49,280
it.

1210
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:50,280
These folks can still make a left.

1211
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:54,960
They have to go around and the turn angle is very

1212
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:59,480
restrictive to buses and large vehicles.

1213
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:03,239
Okay.

1214
00:58:03,239 --> 00:58:07,139
So right and right out islands, these are right and right

1215
00:58:07,139 --> 00:58:09,079
out as the name suggests.

1216
00:58:09,079 --> 00:58:13,019
It is at an intersection where no left movements out of

1217
00:58:13,019 --> 00:58:15,800
that particular neighborhood or in

1218
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:19,239
to that neighborhood are allowed.

1219
00:58:19,239 --> 00:58:24,079
And as I mentioned, this is mostly at intersections where a

1220
00:58:24,079 --> 00:58:27,880
smaller street, residential neighborhood

1221
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:31,849
or other type of street comes in and intersects a major

1222
00:58:31,849 --> 00:58:34,440
arterial or a major collector.

1223
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:38,860
So this is an intersection where you really don't want that

1224
00:58:38,860 --> 00:58:40,960
main street traffic to really

1225
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,389
use or enter your neighborhood making left from either

1226
00:58:44,389 --> 00:58:46,440
direction or getting out of your

1227
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:47,440
neighborhood.

1228
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:51,010
You just want the quick right and right out folks that can

1229
00:58:51,010 --> 00:58:52,079
go in and out.

1230
00:58:52,079 --> 00:58:54,159
So it's a partial access.

1231
00:58:54,159 --> 00:58:55,760
There is a complete closure also.

1232
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,760
There's that, that is an option.

1233
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:01,199
There are other options for that.

1234
00:59:01,199 --> 00:59:05,610
It reduces traffic on local streets, improves pedestrian

1235
00:59:05,610 --> 00:59:06,639
crossing.

1236
00:59:06,639 --> 00:59:09,300
If you look at there, it creates a refuge area for

1237
00:59:09,300 --> 00:59:10,280
pedestrians.

1238
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:14,920
So someone has to only look in one direction to cross.

1239
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:19,880
And then it may divert traffic to some parallel streets.

1240
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:23,179
So it could be, it could be worked in a combination of one

1241
00:59:23,179 --> 00:59:24,719
is right and right out.

1242
00:59:24,719 --> 00:59:28,599
The other one gets a full access or vice versa, depending

1243
00:59:28,599 --> 00:59:30,960
on the type of residential street

1244
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:32,719
and how much traffic they have.

1245
00:59:32,719 --> 00:59:37,039
It can be worked into the whole traffic calming.

1246
00:59:37,039 --> 00:59:39,920
Next one is curb extensions.

1247
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,079
These are bulb outs.

1248
00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:46,239
Typically the intersection is narrowed out.

1249
00:59:46,239 --> 00:59:49,440
You take out parking and bring in the curbs outside.

1250
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:53,300
So when cars are entering, this is not a full wide

1251
00:59:53,300 --> 00:59:56,559
intersection, but it's actually a narrow

1252
00:59:56,559 --> 00:59:57,559
place.

1253
00:59:57,559 --> 01:00:00,719
So when you're approaching the intersection, you're really

1254
01:00:00,719 --> 01:00:02,199
slowing down and then you go

1255
01:00:02,199 --> 01:00:03,199
through the intersection.

1256
01:00:03,199 --> 01:00:07,059
So this is creating more of a effect that you have very

1257
01:00:07,059 --> 01:00:09,039
little space to go through this

1258
01:00:09,039 --> 01:00:10,039
place.

1259
01:00:10,039 --> 01:00:14,559
So it creates that sense of narrowing and feeling of, okay,

1260
01:00:14,559 --> 01:00:16,519
I need to slow down or else

1261
01:00:16,519 --> 01:00:18,960
I'm going to hit the curb.

1262
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:23,000
It is appropriate for local roads on some of the collectors

1263
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:24,320
and arterials.

1264
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:26,719
It works well in the downtown area.

1265
01:00:26,719 --> 01:00:31,090
I think this will be considered as part of one of the

1266
01:00:31,090 --> 01:00:34,119
improvements for the Mew Street.

1267
01:00:34,119 --> 01:00:38,780
I'm not sure if you're aware of the streets that are behind

1268
01:00:38,780 --> 01:00:41,480
the square, Austin, Pecan.

1269
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,059
Those are looked into for redesigning and this is one of

1270
01:00:44,059 --> 01:00:46,000
the options that will be considered.

1271
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:49,860
How can we make it more of an entry point that's safe for

1272
01:00:49,860 --> 01:00:52,440
pedestrians and bicycles and everyone

1273
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:57,030
as opposed to a thoroughfare for vehicles to just go

1274
01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:59,039
through that area?

1275
01:00:59,039 --> 01:01:04,480
And then it can also be used as mid-block locations.

1276
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,000
There are advantages and disadvantages.

1277
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,690
It does definitely improve pedestrian safety because

1278
01:01:09,690 --> 01:01:11,559
pedestrians are way out here in front

1279
01:01:11,559 --> 01:01:15,480
of the traffic as opposed to way back here.

1280
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:19,730
It may help reduce some of the travel speeds because you're

1281
01:01:19,730 --> 01:01:21,739
entering a narrow area.

1282
01:01:21,739 --> 01:01:23,360
It does prevent illegal parking.

1283
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:27,500
I think this gets more into a space where UNT and TW, all

1284
01:01:27,500 --> 01:01:29,559
the universities that are

1285
01:01:29,559 --> 01:01:33,559
running into the issue of parked cars near intersections.

1286
01:01:33,559 --> 01:01:36,980
They're so close to the intersections that they are

1287
01:01:36,980 --> 01:01:38,679
blocking visibility.

1288
01:01:38,679 --> 01:01:41,539
They're so close to driveways that people can't even get

1289
01:01:41,539 --> 01:01:42,920
out of their driveway.

1290
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:47,449
All that can be avoided with some of this where the parking

1291
01:01:47,449 --> 01:01:49,519
itself is eliminated.

1292
01:01:49,519 --> 01:01:53,679
You're technically enforcing your existing ordinance which

1293
01:01:53,679 --> 01:01:55,800
requires vehicles to be parked

1294
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:59,960
30 feet from the intersection stop signs.

1295
01:01:59,960 --> 01:02:05,210
So this bringing out of the curb will help enforce some of

1296
01:02:05,210 --> 01:02:07,639
our parking problems.

1297
01:02:07,639 --> 01:02:10,539
And then obviously with some landscaping and all, it

1298
01:02:10,539 --> 01:02:12,159
improves the appearance.

1299
01:02:12,159 --> 01:02:15,730
Of course, loss of parking may prevent right turns at the

1300
01:02:15,730 --> 01:02:16,920
intersection.

1301
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:21,349
This is leading to a larger vehicles, buses, and trucks

1302
01:02:21,349 --> 01:02:23,760
trying to make this right turn

1303
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,079
when there is already a vehicle here.

1304
01:02:26,079 --> 01:02:30,099
So they have to probably wait until that vehicle clears and

1305
01:02:30,099 --> 01:02:32,480
then you make a wide angle turn.

1306
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:36,690
And then it may create some difficulties for bicyclists if

1307
01:02:36,690 --> 01:02:38,679
there's a bike lane that's

1308
01:02:38,679 --> 01:02:40,760
next to the curb.

1309
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:44,619
But some of those issues can be looked at when we're

1310
01:02:44,619 --> 01:02:47,159
actually recommending the types

1311
01:02:47,159 --> 01:02:50,639
of traffic calming options.

1312
01:02:50,639 --> 01:02:56,030
This one, last one that came about, this is use of public

1313
01:02:56,030 --> 01:02:58,599
art in traffic calming.

1314
01:02:58,599 --> 01:03:03,150
And there are several cities that are being created, use of

1315
01:03:03,150 --> 01:03:05,340
murals on the wall or public

1316
01:03:05,340 --> 01:03:10,320
art within an island area, median area.

1317
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:15,710
Some are using landscaping, lighting, paint on the pavement

1318
01:03:15,710 --> 01:03:17,719
and stuff like that.

1319
01:03:17,719 --> 01:03:20,000
This all helps.

1320
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,750
It gives that feel of, this is something new, I need to

1321
01:03:22,750 --> 01:03:24,320
slow down a little bit and look

1322
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:25,960
at this.

1323
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,280
It helps.

1324
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:31,670
Maintenance wise, there is a pavement, this pavement

1325
01:03:31,670 --> 01:03:34,079
marking, maintenance is an issue.

1326
01:03:34,079 --> 01:03:36,280
You have to maintain it a lot.

1327
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:41,369
The other issue that comes across using public art is once

1328
01:03:41,369 --> 01:03:43,880
you've seen it and you see it

1329
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,199
for a couple times, the third time you're not going to slow

1330
01:03:46,199 --> 01:03:46,599
down.

1331
01:03:46,599 --> 01:03:50,039
So you have to constantly be doing something about, you

1332
01:03:50,039 --> 01:03:53,440
know, refreshing it, changing it,

1333
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:54,920
moving it, something like that.

1334
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:59,510
So this is still pretty much a starting point or a starting

1335
01:03:59,510 --> 01:04:01,900
idea and we will develop more

1336
01:04:01,900 --> 01:04:03,400
as we move forward.

1337
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:08,320
Have there been any studies on that to show the...

1338
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:12,570
There has been one to show the impact and pretty much to

1339
01:04:12,570 --> 01:04:15,400
the face of it, it's inconclusive

1340
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,710
but what they're saying is within the next two, within the

1341
01:04:18,710 --> 01:04:20,360
first two or three weeks,

1342
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:24,389
the impact or the effect is considerably reduced for

1343
01:04:24,389 --> 01:04:26,320
slowing people down.

1344
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:27,320
That's what it says.

1345
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,610
There are not that many studies or there are not that many

1346
01:04:30,610 --> 01:04:32,519
locations as it has been really

1347
01:04:32,519 --> 01:04:33,519
helpful.

1348
01:04:33,519 --> 01:04:34,519
Oops.

1349
01:04:34,519 --> 01:04:38,800
And then next steps, this is the last slide.

1350
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:42,679
We're going to compile this information and the other seven

1351
01:04:42,679 --> 01:04:45,039
that we had, all that information

1352
01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:47,960
into a easy to read format.

1353
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:52,409
It will work with our public communications office to put

1354
01:04:52,409 --> 01:04:54,880
it online, get into brochures

1355
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:58,570
and pamphlets and then finally this will be developed into

1356
01:04:58,570 --> 01:05:00,400
a handbook and the handbook

1357
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:03,630
will get into more details of, okay, what are the design

1358
01:05:03,630 --> 01:05:05,480
specifications, what are the

1359
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:09,340
engineering behind some of these alternatives and how do we

1360
01:05:09,340 --> 01:05:10,639
implement them?

1361
01:05:10,639 --> 01:05:14,070
And then finally we'll take this handbook once it's done,

1362
01:05:14,070 --> 01:05:15,679
bring to the committee and

1363
01:05:15,679 --> 01:05:20,199
then present it to city council for adoption.

1364
01:05:20,199 --> 01:05:23,199
Those are our next steps.

1365
01:05:23,199 --> 01:05:24,199
Any questions?

1366
01:05:24,199 --> 01:05:25,199
I have one.

1367
01:05:25,199 --> 01:05:26,199
Yes.

1368
01:05:26,199 --> 01:05:31,599
So somebody I know brought up the road next to the North

1369
01:05:31,599 --> 01:05:34,440
Lakes Park and how people go

1370
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:37,840
fairly fast through there and they had mentioned that there

1371
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:39,840
's a light, a blinking light that

1372
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:44,440
you can click on and people can go across there.

1373
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:47,050
And they think that works and this was, I didn't see this

1374
01:05:47,050 --> 01:05:47,800
mentioned.

1375
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:51,559
Is that considered a calming device?

1376
01:05:51,559 --> 01:05:57,130
That is more of a pedestrian safety device because you can

1377
01:05:57,130 --> 01:05:58,039
cross.

1378
01:05:58,039 --> 01:06:03,639
Signage and pavement marking is part of traffic calming.

1379
01:06:03,639 --> 01:06:07,489
Those are the really preliminary steps before you even get

1380
01:06:07,489 --> 01:06:09,760
into heavy engineering and putting

1381
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,119
some of these high dollar things.

1382
01:06:12,119 --> 01:06:15,969
The first step is more of educating people and part of that

1383
01:06:15,969 --> 01:06:17,880
process is what kind of signage

1384
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:21,239
can I install, what kind of pavement markings I can install

1385
01:06:21,239 --> 01:06:21,519
.

1386
01:06:21,519 --> 01:06:24,809
And then, yeah, it is more for the safety of the

1387
01:06:24,809 --> 01:06:26,719
pedestrians crossing.

1388
01:06:26,719 --> 01:06:28,639
Is that why we have the light?

1389
01:06:28,639 --> 01:06:30,639
It's not for slowing vehicles.

1390
01:06:30,639 --> 01:06:31,639
Okay.

1391
01:06:31,639 --> 01:06:32,639
Thank you.

1392
01:06:32,639 --> 01:06:34,639
I wonder, has there been any discussion?

1393
01:06:34,639 --> 01:06:36,840
It seems like some of these would be really good ideas

1394
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:38,320
right off the square because right

1395
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:41,679
now our roads just really, you're driving slow on the

1396
01:06:41,679 --> 01:06:42,440
square.

1397
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:43,440
There's all these things to look at.

1398
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:45,800
So people go slow and then it just opens up and people gun

1399
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:47,280
it, especially like I'm thinking

1400
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:51,000
of on locust when you're going north.

1401
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,420
So I just would see like there even at McKinney would be a

1402
01:06:53,420 --> 01:06:54,920
great spot to like bring out the

1403
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:59,639
curbs and slow everyone down right in that area.

1404
01:06:59,639 --> 01:07:02,920
Is that TextDot though?

1405
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:07,400
Both those, Locust and Elm are TextDot facilities.

1406
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:11,460
And we are in the process of taking that over as a city

1407
01:07:11,460 --> 01:07:12,360
street.

1408
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:13,360
Awesome.

1409
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:20,079
So TextDot has alluded that they want to get rid of that.

1410
01:07:20,079 --> 01:07:23,760
So part of those two streets, we're going to look at how do

1411
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:25,559
we make them more complete

1412
01:07:25,559 --> 01:07:29,929
streets as opposed to just highways or free, which was they

1413
01:07:29,929 --> 01:07:31,760
intended to use back in the

1414
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:35,610
day was it was more of a highway which went through the

1415
01:07:35,610 --> 01:07:36,079
city.

1416
01:07:36,079 --> 01:07:39,469
Now it's more of a complete street where how do we move

1417
01:07:39,469 --> 01:07:40,280
people?

1418
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:42,639
How do we make it pedestrian and bike friendly?

1419
01:07:42,639 --> 01:07:45,500
So we're going to definitely look at the Mew Street, but

1420
01:07:45,500 --> 01:07:47,199
yes, you can definitely extend

1421
01:07:47,199 --> 01:07:51,800
it not only north side, even on the south side as some of

1422
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:54,280
the properties develop, we

1423
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:55,960
can definitely put it in.

1424
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:57,320
There's so much room there.

1425
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,119
There's we can put everything there.

1426
01:07:59,119 --> 01:08:02,719
Park cars on both sides, two bike lanes.

1427
01:08:02,719 --> 01:08:05,679
There's so much space though on Locust.

1428
01:08:05,679 --> 01:08:11,300
Is there a timeline for City of Denton taking over the Text

1429
01:08:11,300 --> 01:08:11,960
Dot?

1430
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:16,930
Yeah, I think we're going out to bid pretty soon for the

1431
01:08:16,930 --> 01:08:20,960
for the utility relocation portion.

1432
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:24,409
And then right after that will come a complete street rehab

1433
01:08:24,409 --> 01:08:26,279
by TextDot and then we'll take

1434
01:08:26,279 --> 01:08:27,279
it over.

1435
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:30,279
We'll get it fixed and then take it over.

1436
01:08:30,279 --> 01:08:31,279
Oh, that'll be nice.

1437
01:08:31,279 --> 01:08:32,279
Okay.

1438
01:08:32,279 --> 01:08:34,119
So what happens then after we have this handbook?

1439
01:08:34,119 --> 01:08:38,800
Will the city be reaching out to the neighborhoods or will

1440
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:41,640
the neighborhoods need to know to

1441
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:43,560
come to the city?

1442
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:50,479
And then who funds this potential hardscaping and?

1443
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:52,000
So that's a good point.

1444
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:56,960
I think we're taking smaller steps at this point.

1445
01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:00,960
Once the handbook is set, once we have a process set, then

1446
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,720
we'll also establish how do we accept

1447
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:05,960
these some of these concerns?

1448
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,239
How do we analyze and process them?

1449
01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:10,739
Once everything is done and we know for sure that we're

1450
01:09:10,739 --> 01:09:12,279
going with this one particular

1451
01:09:12,279 --> 01:09:18,939
improvement, on a temporary basis, we're going to acquire

1452
01:09:18,939 --> 01:09:22,319
some of the removable curbs, the

1453
01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:25,000
rubberized curbs that can be bolt down.

1454
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:29,600
Those are really comparatively very cheap, don't need a lot

1455
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,600
of engineering and we can

1456
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:34,439
start implementing some of those.

1457
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:40,199
And as more and more neighborhoods or other streets come on

1458
01:09:40,199 --> 01:09:43,119
board, we can either, when

1459
01:09:43,119 --> 01:09:46,199
we're evaluating the effectiveness, if say six months down

1460
01:09:46,199 --> 01:09:48,000
the line, they're really effective

1461
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,989
and now we want to go in a permanent phase, then we go to

1462
01:09:50,989 --> 01:09:52,760
council for funding to put in

1463
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:54,960
something permanent.

1464
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:57,819
If you feel that, yeah, it has achieved what it was

1465
01:09:57,819 --> 01:09:59,880
supposed to, we can remove that use

1466
01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:00,880
in some other place.

1467
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:04,220
We are getting at least two or three different sets of

1468
01:10:04,220 --> 01:10:06,359
things that we can implement on a

1469
01:10:06,359 --> 01:10:09,159
temporary basis and start evaluating.

1470
01:10:09,159 --> 01:10:13,079
So that's our first step.

1471
01:10:13,079 --> 01:10:15,119
How do we do traffic calming currently?

1472
01:10:15,119 --> 01:10:16,119
Currently?

1473
01:10:16,119 --> 01:10:23,479
Is it similar to that or you just put it to pen?

1474
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:26,680
We don't have this in place yet, the process.

1475
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:30,079
So we are trying to get everything lined up.

1476
01:10:30,079 --> 01:10:32,989
We're in the first two phases where we do a lot of

1477
01:10:32,989 --> 01:10:35,439
education and enforcement and we are

1478
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:39,300
trying to get on the engineering side what can we do and

1479
01:10:39,300 --> 01:10:41,840
how we can get everything addressed

1480
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:42,840
through engineering.

1481
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:47,210
So this is a new start for us and I think Patrice can

1482
01:10:47,210 --> 01:10:49,920
mention that, but this is a new

1483
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:52,920
start and we're excited.

1484
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:58,199
All right, anybody else have any questions, comments?

1485
01:10:58,199 --> 01:11:04,079
All right, excited to watch this move forward.

1486
01:11:04,079 --> 01:11:07,079
We're excited for you.

1487
01:11:07,079 --> 01:11:13,329
All right, that is going to bring us to item 1E, which is T

1488
01:11:13,329 --> 01:11:17,920
SC 18-040, which is to receive

1489
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:21,770
a report, hold discussion regarding University of North

1490
01:11:21,770 --> 01:11:24,159
Texas joint traffic study for proposed

1491
01:11:24,159 --> 01:11:29,159
street closures within and around UNT campus.

1492
01:11:29,159 --> 01:11:32,520
All right, next presentation.

1493
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:38,800
Okay, so this is a traffic study.

1494
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:42,000
Let me get back up a little bit.

1495
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:46,420
City of Denton staff started coordinating with UNT staff

1496
01:11:46,420 --> 01:11:48,720
about a year, year and a half

1497
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:52,640
last May when we kicked off some of the meetings.

1498
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:57,720
And in that coordination effort, UNT had brought up some of

1499
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,479
their dream ideas, projects and

1500
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:02,239
stuff like that.

1501
01:12:02,239 --> 01:12:06,399
UNT went through a big update in their master plan.

1502
01:12:06,399 --> 01:12:10,510
They already have a campus master plan and then they also

1503
01:12:10,510 --> 01:12:12,680
had a transportation master

1504
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:14,140
plan.

1505
01:12:14,140 --> 01:12:17,430
Based on what was included in the transportation master

1506
01:12:17,430 --> 01:12:19,659
plan, they wanted to look at options

1507
01:12:19,659 --> 01:12:22,420
of how can we shut down some of the streets that go through

1508
01:12:22,420 --> 01:12:23,199
the campus.

1509
01:12:23,199 --> 01:12:28,250
And the two that were really identified and focused on were

1510
01:12:28,250 --> 01:12:30,600
Avenue C between Eagle and

1511
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:38,569
Hickory, and then Highland between, I forget the limits,

1512
01:12:38,569 --> 01:12:42,720
but Highland between Welch and

1513
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:47,279
I would say Avenue C, Welch and Avenue C. Those streets

1514
01:12:47,279 --> 01:12:48,720
were identified.

1515
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:54,619
So we started talking as to what's the process, how do we

1516
01:12:54,619 --> 01:12:58,000
make sure that we get there or at

1517
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:02,390
least understand what the implications would be to closing

1518
01:13:02,390 --> 01:13:04,300
some of these streets.

1519
01:13:04,300 --> 01:13:09,869
So we embarked on a joint study and looked at what are the

1520
01:13:09,869 --> 01:13:11,079
impacts.

1521
01:13:11,079 --> 01:13:13,960
Short term, immediately what happens.

1522
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:17,979
In long term, when most of the city would be built out and

1523
01:13:17,979 --> 01:13:19,960
there's a lot more traffic

1524
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:24,460
in the area and the campus itself grows, what happens?

1525
01:13:24,460 --> 01:13:28,319
So we looked at all those different scenarios and we

1526
01:13:28,319 --> 01:13:31,439
identified what the impacts were, where

1527
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:35,439
they were, what the improvements are needed as part of this

1528
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:36,119
study.

1529
01:13:36,119 --> 01:13:39,270
And then now the next step, I think we're wrapping up the

1530
01:13:39,270 --> 01:13:40,680
study at this point.

1531
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:44,920
I want to go over how we did the study and what was ent

1532
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:45,840
ailed.

1533
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:50,039
And now we're at a point where once we've identified, then

1534
01:13:50,039 --> 01:13:51,800
we go to the next step, identify

1535
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:52,800
funding.

1536
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:55,920
Who's going to fund what and the phasing.

1537
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:59,220
When do we really need some of these improvements to be in

1538
01:13:59,220 --> 01:13:59,840
place?

1539
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:03,789
So an overview, what was the purpose of the project, the

1540
01:14:03,789 --> 01:14:06,119
methodology that we followed,

1541
01:14:06,119 --> 01:14:11,140
the actual analysis, what were the impacts, mitigations,

1542
01:14:11,140 --> 01:14:13,239
and then the schedule.

1543
01:14:13,239 --> 01:14:19,710
So the purpose of the project, as I mentioned, there was a

1544
01:14:19,710 --> 01:14:21,840
campus master plan, UNT parking

1545
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:25,479
and transportation master plan.

1546
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:29,850
So we met with the UNT staff and we wanted to see how we

1547
01:14:29,850 --> 01:14:32,279
could align their master plan

1548
01:14:32,279 --> 01:14:36,000
with our future infrastructure needs.

1549
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:39,130
So what we did is we determined traffic condition on

1550
01:14:39,130 --> 01:14:42,239
thoroughfare surrounding a campus, evaluated

1551
01:14:42,239 --> 01:14:46,439
existing and future 2040 conditions, looked at feasibility

1552
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:48,159
of closing those two streets

1553
01:14:48,159 --> 01:14:52,930
that I mentioned, and then what is needed for improving the

1554
01:14:52,930 --> 01:14:55,119
public infrastructure in

1555
01:14:55,119 --> 01:14:59,239
that area as a result of those closures.

1556
01:14:59,239 --> 01:15:01,800
Project methodology, data collection is obviously the first

1557
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:02,199
step.

1558
01:15:02,199 --> 01:15:06,710
We collected data at 50 intersections within and outside

1559
01:15:06,710 --> 01:15:07,800
the campus.

1560
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:11,199
I'll pull up the actual map in a little bit.

1561
01:15:11,199 --> 01:15:15,289
We looked at not only vehicles, but pedestrians and

1562
01:15:15,289 --> 01:15:16,359
bicycles.

1563
01:15:16,359 --> 01:15:20,729
And then we looked at 31 segments along the street, street

1564
01:15:20,729 --> 01:15:21,600
segments.

1565
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:24,720
I think the map shows in the next slide.

1566
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:26,760
We did some traffic forecasting.

1567
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:31,600
What would happen by 2040 and what type of network we need,

1568
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:33,720
what type of transportation

1569
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:37,239
circulation demand do we have in this area.

1570
01:15:37,239 --> 01:15:43,289
So we looked at existing 2017, no-build 2040, and then what

1571
01:15:43,289 --> 01:15:46,560
happens if we close it in 2040.

1572
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:50,409
And then obviously I did the analysis, identified impacts

1573
01:15:50,409 --> 01:15:52,159
and mitigation measures.

1574
01:15:52,159 --> 01:15:54,479
So this is the project boundaries.

1575
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:56,560
These are the project boundaries.

1576
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:59,960
As some of you may recognize, these are the same boundaries

1577
01:15:59,960 --> 01:16:01,720
for the Oak Gateway Small

1578
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:03,760
Area Plan.

1579
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:07,039
And this is sort of a joint effort.

1580
01:16:07,039 --> 01:16:11,420
We are looking at traffic conditions while implementing the

1581
01:16:11,420 --> 01:16:12,840
UNT master plan.

1582
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:16,989
And then this is going to help make some of the decisions

1583
01:16:16,989 --> 01:16:19,600
for the Gateway Specific Plan.

1584
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:26,229
So here are the 50 or so intersections starting one all the

1585
01:16:26,229 --> 01:16:28,640
way to 50 here.

1586
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:32,560
These intersections we looked at daily volume and decided

1587
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:34,920
that there's not that much traffic

1588
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:37,670
all the way going to Panhandle at some of these

1589
01:16:37,670 --> 01:16:38,920
intersections.

1590
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:42,770
So they were not really considered part of this analysis

1591
01:16:42,770 --> 01:16:44,520
because if you close Avenue

1592
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:48,369
C and Highland in this area, the impacts were not getting

1593
01:16:48,369 --> 01:16:49,840
translated up here.

1594
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:53,920
So existing volume, these are the volumes we have.

1595
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:58,420
Some of them really high volume streets as Carol is close

1596
01:16:58,420 --> 01:17:03,399
to 32,000, 33,000 daily trips.

1597
01:17:03,399 --> 01:17:07,539
Bonnie Bray on the other side is close to 15,000 daily

1598
01:17:07,539 --> 01:17:10,199
trips, 16 here, 14 something

1599
01:17:10,199 --> 01:17:11,199
here.

1600
01:17:11,199 --> 01:17:15,640
The axis is about 10,000 and then the real ones that you

1601
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:17,439
want to focus on are Avenue

1602
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:20,680
C, it has about 6,000 daily trips.

1603
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:24,529
Obviously when you shut this down, these trips are going to

1604
01:17:24,529 --> 01:17:26,859
be displaced onto parallel streets.

1605
01:17:26,859 --> 01:17:32,039
So that's one and then Highland is about 3,300 daily trips.

1606
01:17:32,039 --> 01:17:34,880
So this is the existing conditions.

1607
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:39,050
The next step was looking at what is happening at the

1608
01:17:39,050 --> 01:17:40,680
intersections.

1609
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:45,989
Usually as you may know if you travel this area on a daily

1610
01:17:45,989 --> 01:17:47,520
basis, yes.

1611
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:49,399
Can you go back to the last slide?

1612
01:17:49,399 --> 01:17:50,399
Yes.

1613
01:17:50,399 --> 01:17:54,199
What are you getting on Stella?

1614
01:17:54,199 --> 01:17:59,170
Stella is not, we did not count the ADTs on Stella as part

1615
01:17:59,170 --> 01:18:00,680
of this study.

1616
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:06,250
But yeah, we don't have data on Stella at which

1617
01:18:06,250 --> 01:18:10,800
intersection are you talking about,

1618
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:11,800
North Texas?

1619
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:14,159
Yeah, between North Texas and Bonnie Bray.

1620
01:18:14,159 --> 01:18:18,270
Yeah we did not really collect data on Stella as part of

1621
01:18:18,270 --> 01:18:19,000
this.

1622
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,920
The reason being I think Avenue C closure was impacting

1623
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:23,640
Bonnie Bray, not necessarily

1624
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:25,399
east-west traffic on Stella.

1625
01:18:25,399 --> 01:18:29,770
So that was part of the assessment that our consultant made

1626
01:18:29,770 --> 01:18:30,039
.

1627
01:18:30,039 --> 01:18:33,119
There were some boundaries that they had to set and we

1628
01:18:33,119 --> 01:18:35,199
could collect information on each

1629
01:18:35,199 --> 01:18:40,239
and every street.

1630
01:18:40,239 --> 01:18:44,100
But as part of the Bonnie Bray project, we are looking at

1631
01:18:44,100 --> 01:18:45,960
every opening intersection

1632
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:46,960
on Bonnie Bray.

1633
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:50,039
So I can get you the data as part of that study.

1634
01:18:50,039 --> 01:18:51,680
If you're just looking for existing volume.

1635
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:52,680
Just finish Hickory.

1636
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:55,680
Small thing, just finish Hickory.

1637
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:59,720
We're getting there.

1638
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:04,229
I'm looking at, when I'm looking at existing traffic volume

1639
01:19:04,229 --> 01:19:06,159
, did you look at the North

1640
01:19:06,159 --> 01:19:09,550
Texas plan for Light the Tower that they released this

1641
01:19:09,550 --> 01:19:11,279
morning at 5 o'clock?

1642
01:19:11,279 --> 01:19:13,960
I did not look at that.

1643
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:17,600
The build out for right across the highway.

1644
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:20,779
They're putting in, planning a baseball diamond indoor

1645
01:19:20,779 --> 01:19:21,439
tennis.

1646
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:22,439
Yeah.

1647
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:23,439
Yes.

1648
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:27,840
And I'm looking at the little tiny roads over there.

1649
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:30,680
So we are looking at that.

1650
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:35,430
In our last UNT coordination meeting, they did release some

1651
01:19:35,430 --> 01:19:37,680
of the information that was

1652
01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:38,880
not public back then.

1653
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:41,840
It's now public.

1654
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:45,300
And we do have some ideas of how to deal with some of that

1655
01:19:45,300 --> 01:19:46,439
and options.

1656
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:49,000
And we've started discussing those.

1657
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:50,000
What are the major streets?

1658
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:53,859
How they can come in and tie in and keep the traffic off of

1659
01:19:53,859 --> 01:19:56,199
some of these smaller streets.

1660
01:19:56,199 --> 01:20:02,310
So yeah, definitely Bonnie Bray in this area will soon be

1661
01:20:02,310 --> 01:20:05,000
under construction.

1662
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:07,819
Impacts obviously, all the big intersection.

1663
01:20:07,819 --> 01:20:11,479
Anything red, I like the red, green and yellow.

1664
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:17,880
Anything red has a delay of 55 seconds or more.

1665
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:20,750
If you approach that intersection, you're on an average

1666
01:20:20,750 --> 01:20:22,479
sitting there for 55 seconds

1667
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:24,720
or more today.

1668
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:28,319
For example, if you're at Collins Street at Carroll, on

1669
01:20:28,319 --> 01:20:30,439
both approaches you're sitting

1670
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:33,319
there on an average for 55 seconds.

1671
01:20:33,319 --> 01:20:40,100
Similarly, at the intersection of Welch and Oak, this Welch

1672
01:20:40,100 --> 01:20:43,039
approach is impacted with

1673
01:20:43,039 --> 01:20:44,819
considerable delays.

1674
01:20:44,819 --> 01:20:48,600
So these are the intersections that are impacted.

1675
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:51,949
Yellows are your at C and D level of service, which means

1676
01:20:51,949 --> 01:20:54,500
you're anywhere between 20 seconds

1677
01:20:54,500 --> 01:20:57,960
and 55 seconds at that intersection.

1678
01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:02,090
And then A and B is less than 20 seconds average delay at

1679
01:21:02,090 --> 01:21:03,439
intersection.

1680
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:07,239
So this is how the picture looks today.

1681
01:21:07,239 --> 01:21:10,800
These are existing conditions, existing counts.

1682
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:15,189
What happens in 2025 if you go back and all the-- some of

1683
01:21:15,189 --> 01:21:17,319
these yellows start turning

1684
01:21:17,319 --> 01:21:20,920
red because of the growth in traffic.

1685
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:25,329
So North Texas intersections and then Bonnie Bray, Oak at

1686
01:21:25,329 --> 01:21:27,800
North Texas, all of these start

1687
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:31,520
turning red.

1688
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:36,300
Some of the green ones start turning yellow in this area.

1689
01:21:36,300 --> 01:21:40,260
So because of just the growth, you see that the impacts on

1690
01:21:40,260 --> 01:21:42,359
these intersections, if we

1691
01:21:42,359 --> 01:21:45,890
don't do anything today or if we don't have a plan, then

1692
01:21:45,890 --> 01:21:48,720
this is what's going to happen.

1693
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:51,560
By 2040, a lot more red, a lot more yellow.

1694
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:55,359
So we're talking about congestion, delays.

1695
01:21:55,359 --> 01:21:58,680
So that's the reason we conducted this study.

1696
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:00,399
How are we going to fix this?

1697
01:22:00,399 --> 01:22:03,119
Fixing this is our ultimate goal.

1698
01:22:03,119 --> 01:22:05,810
Majority of the times, intersections are choke points where

1699
01:22:05,810 --> 01:22:07,159
you are traveling around the

1700
01:22:07,159 --> 01:22:10,140
corridor, you arrive at the intersection and then you're

1701
01:22:10,140 --> 01:22:11,760
stuck waiting for traffic and

1702
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:13,319
then traffic starts backing up.

1703
01:22:13,319 --> 01:22:17,170
So that's why intersection is our major focus and delay at

1704
01:22:17,170 --> 01:22:18,920
the intersection is the main

1705
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:20,880
concern.

1706
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:24,729
So these are the three scenarios we looked at and I know in

1707
01:22:24,729 --> 01:22:26,760
the packet, I think they're

1708
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:31,199
really small but this one is the first scenario, Avenue C

1709
01:22:31,199 --> 01:22:35,380
which carries about 6,000 daily trips.

1710
01:22:35,380 --> 01:22:38,600
If we just close down Avenue C, it's going to impact 30

1711
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:39,760
intersections.

1712
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:44,239
30 out of the 50 that we looked at will be impacted.

1713
01:22:44,239 --> 01:22:47,479
And then five roadway segments will have increased volumes.

1714
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:50,979
So these are the five roadway segments, obviously Oak and H

1715
01:22:50,979 --> 01:22:53,000
ickory on the north, Eagle Drive

1716
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:56,479
on the south and then North Texas and Welch on the east and

1717
01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:57,079
west.

1718
01:22:57,079 --> 01:23:02,279
So these are the impacts associated with this closure.

1719
01:23:02,279 --> 01:23:06,359
Scenario two, if you just shut down Highland Street between

1720
01:23:06,359 --> 01:23:08,199
Avenue C and I think this is

1721
01:23:08,199 --> 01:23:14,670
Avenue A, then the impact, you're going to reroute a little

1722
01:23:14,670 --> 01:23:18,600
over 3,000 daily trips.

1723
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:21,939
That will impact 37 intersections out of the 50 that we

1724
01:23:21,939 --> 01:23:23,720
looked at and then four roadways

1725
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:25,800
all next to Highland.

1726
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:30,989
It's going to impact Maple, Eagle, Welch and North Texas on

1727
01:23:30,989 --> 01:23:32,439
either side.

1728
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:37,270
Oak closed together, we're talking about rerouting 10,000

1729
01:23:37,270 --> 01:23:40,159
daily trips, 40 intersections out of

1730
01:23:40,159 --> 01:23:44,229
the 50 are impacted and then six roadways in and around

1731
01:23:44,229 --> 01:23:45,199
this area.

1732
01:23:45,199 --> 01:23:48,239
All of them pretty much covered by these two scenarios.

1733
01:23:48,239 --> 01:23:52,840
So these are the scenarios that we looked at.

1734
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:55,000
Obviously we went with the worst case scenario which was

1735
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:55,800
scenario three.

1736
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:59,829
What happens if they really decide to follow their master

1737
01:23:59,829 --> 01:24:01,920
plan and then move ahead with

1738
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:03,039
closing this?

1739
01:24:03,039 --> 01:24:04,039
What are the impacts?

1740
01:24:04,039 --> 01:24:09,439
I have a question about scenario three, the 9,000 plus

1741
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:12,359
existing daily trips rerouted.

1742
01:24:12,359 --> 01:24:17,670
But mathematically that wouldn't be 9,000 people inconven

1743
01:24:17,670 --> 01:24:19,880
ienced because let's say you

1744
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:23,760
have got one person who wants to drive down both Highland

1745
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:25,560
and Avenue C. So I think that

1746
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:29,930
number, when we put that number out there, I think it might

1747
01:24:29,930 --> 01:24:31,640
be a little shocking.

1748
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:37,289
But if people think that through, it's not like 6,000 more

1749
01:24:37,289 --> 01:24:40,600
people are going to be inconvenienced

1750
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:41,600
daily.

1751
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:45,220
It's fewer than that because many of those people would be

1752
01:24:45,220 --> 01:24:46,920
traveling both routes.

1753
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:47,920
Correct.

1754
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:51,250
So we are presenting absolute worst case if everyone is

1755
01:24:51,250 --> 01:24:53,279
independent of each other which

1756
01:24:53,279 --> 01:24:57,399
may happen one of the days, once in a blue moon.

1757
01:24:57,399 --> 01:24:59,359
But yes, you're right.

1758
01:24:59,359 --> 01:25:01,979
A lot of people that are traveling on Avenue C may turn on

1759
01:25:01,979 --> 01:25:03,680
Highland and then continue going

1760
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:04,680
east.

1761
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:05,960
And that's a possibility.

1762
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:11,130
So while looking at the impacts, we're definitely focusing

1763
01:25:11,130 --> 01:25:13,760
on the worst case scenario.

1764
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:17,229
These are the intersections that were impacted and required

1765
01:25:17,229 --> 01:25:18,239
mitigations.

1766
01:25:18,239 --> 01:25:22,609
They're spread out and these are major intersections along

1767
01:25:22,609 --> 01:25:25,479
Bonnie Bray, North Texas as suspected

1768
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:27,680
along Welch.

1769
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:30,850
I think Malone and Scripture, a lot of folks can relate to

1770
01:25:30,850 --> 01:25:31,560
that one.

1771
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:33,760
That one's an always stop.

1772
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:38,159
So what would be the cost estimate to fix some of these

1773
01:25:38,159 --> 01:25:39,840
intersections?

1774
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:42,520
And it's broken down into two aspects.

1775
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:47,199
One is due to the closure, which means purely shutting down

1776
01:25:47,199 --> 01:25:48,680
those streets.

1777
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:53,420
What are the impacts versus other impacts meaning impacts

1778
01:25:53,420 --> 01:25:56,359
related to the growth of traffic.

1779
01:25:56,359 --> 01:25:59,960
Now growth of traffic is not necessarily completely based

1780
01:25:59,960 --> 01:26:01,119
on UNTs growth.

1781
01:26:01,119 --> 01:26:05,590
It is also based on the whole area growing and some of the

1782
01:26:05,590 --> 01:26:08,560
through traffic, say for example

1783
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:13,619
along Bonnie Bray or Carroll, that will play a big part

1784
01:26:13,619 --> 01:26:14,680
into it.

1785
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:19,989
So the cost for fixing impacts due to the closure is

1786
01:26:19,989 --> 01:26:21,920
separated out.

1787
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:24,779
For example, if we go with, this should be scenario three,

1788
01:26:24,779 --> 01:26:25,479
apologize.

1789
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:30,789
But if we go with this cost, 117,000 is strictly due to the

1790
01:26:30,789 --> 01:26:33,239
closure, but the overall needs

1791
01:26:33,239 --> 01:26:35,199
are 2.6.

1792
01:26:35,199 --> 01:26:38,460
So that's where the city has to do a better plan or put a

1793
01:26:38,460 --> 01:26:40,159
plan together to how do you

1794
01:26:40,159 --> 01:26:42,479
address these impacts?

1795
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:44,199
When do you need to address them?

1796
01:26:44,199 --> 01:26:48,000
What is the phasing for putting some of these improvements?

1797
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:49,000
It's a big number.

1798
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:50,880
So we need to plan it better.

1799
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:54,640
We need to focus our attention.

1800
01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:57,829
On the city side, we've already started looking at Bonnie

1801
01:26:57,829 --> 01:26:59,760
Bray corridor and how can we fix

1802
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:01,279
Bonnie Bray.

1803
01:27:01,279 --> 01:27:05,680
We're also looking at this Welch.

1804
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:10,800
How can we better fix it, make it more conducive to bicycle

1805
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:13,279
pedestrian facilities?

1806
01:27:13,279 --> 01:27:17,359
So we are working towards, yes sir.

1807
01:27:17,359 --> 01:27:22,479
I don't see you factoring the extension of Panhandle over

1808
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:24,600
to the service road.

1809
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:28,689
Yes so as part of the traffic model that was looked at, it

1810
01:27:28,689 --> 01:27:30,840
's not shown in the map, but

1811
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:34,100
the traffic model did consider the circulation associated

1812
01:27:34,100 --> 01:27:36,199
with that and that connection moving

1813
01:27:36,199 --> 01:27:37,199
forward.

1814
01:27:37,199 --> 01:27:41,050
So when this growth was calculated, we have a traffic model

1815
01:27:41,050 --> 01:27:43,039
that looks at a future network.

1816
01:27:43,039 --> 01:27:45,039
What are the possible streets that will come in?

1817
01:27:45,039 --> 01:27:47,760
And yes, this is inbuilt in our master plan.

1818
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:49,520
So it is included in the model.

1819
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:51,319
It's just not in the map.

1820
01:27:51,319 --> 01:27:54,520
Is it possible that over time?

1821
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:58,159
There might be an option for?

1822
01:27:58,159 --> 01:27:59,159
Option for.

1823
01:27:59,159 --> 01:28:03,010
At this time, UNT says that this is their master plan, that

1824
01:28:03,010 --> 01:28:04,520
they only want to go with

1825
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:07,600
the closure of those two streets.

1826
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:10,640
At this point, they don't have any more options in there.

1827
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:13,939
And how are the costs split between the two?

1828
01:28:13,939 --> 01:28:17,380
So the cost is split between the two based on if you just

1829
01:28:17,380 --> 01:28:19,159
close the street and there

1830
01:28:19,159 --> 01:28:23,760
is no growth in the area, then this is what UNT closures

1831
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:26,520
would require to fix, all these

1832
01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:27,520
intersections.

1833
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:30,079
So that's the cost that was calculated.

1834
01:28:30,079 --> 01:28:33,449
If the cost implications associated with the growth are

1835
01:28:33,449 --> 01:28:35,399
much higher and we're planning

1836
01:28:35,399 --> 01:28:37,840
some of it upfront.

1837
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:39,960
Yes.

1838
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:49,409
Stay close to Avenue C at Mulberry this weekend, to Hickory

1839
01:28:49,409 --> 01:28:49,840
.

1840
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:54,800
I mean to Avenue C at Mulberry all the way to Hickory.

1841
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:57,640
Avenue C between Mulberry and Hickory?

1842
01:28:57,640 --> 01:28:58,640
Yeah.

1843
01:28:58,640 --> 01:28:59,640
Okay.

1844
01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:01,359
Can you repeat the question?

1845
01:29:01,359 --> 01:29:03,760
I'm sorry.

1846
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:05,359
Can you repeat the question?

1847
01:29:05,359 --> 01:29:06,359
What related to that?

1848
01:29:06,359 --> 01:29:10,760
I was driving it this weekend for the game and when I go

1849
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:13,640
past the environmental services

1850
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:17,819
on Mulberry, you look to your left and the whole street's

1851
01:29:17,819 --> 01:29:19,920
closed at Avenue C and it's

1852
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:22,119
closed to Mulberry.

1853
01:29:22,119 --> 01:29:26,439
So I guess they're already starting or something else.

1854
01:29:26,439 --> 01:29:27,880
No, it is something.

1855
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:31,479
It's probably a utility or street or drainage project or

1856
01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:33,600
some of the closure associated

1857
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:36,479
with buildings around UNT.

1858
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:38,000
It's not related to anything.

1859
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:39,000
Oh, okay.

1860
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:41,039
This is, yeah, we're still further away.

1861
01:29:41,039 --> 01:29:43,840
We're far from getting there.

1862
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:47,039
I think the next discussion that the city's going to

1863
01:29:47,039 --> 01:29:49,279
probably have on these closures is

1864
01:29:49,279 --> 01:29:50,680
what do we do with the utilities?

1865
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:51,680
What type of easements?

1866
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:54,119
What kind of access we have to the utilities that are

1867
01:29:54,119 --> 01:29:55,840
currently under these streets?

1868
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:59,800
So that's the next discussion and then it's a process.

1869
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:01,399
We'll slowly get there.

1870
01:30:01,399 --> 01:30:03,960
Yeah, so it said interested in closing.

1871
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:07,039
So is the thing is you'd like to get there but you're

1872
01:30:07,039 --> 01:30:09,119
trying to figure out is this even

1873
01:30:09,119 --> 01:30:10,119
possible?

1874
01:30:10,119 --> 01:30:12,800
What happens if X, Y, and Z happens?

1875
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:14,600
Is there going to be too traffic and it just can't, too

1876
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:15,640
much traffic and it just can't

1877
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:16,640
happen?

1878
01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:17,640
Is that where we're at?

1879
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:18,640
Correct.

1880
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:20,039
So this is a feasibility sort of study.

1881
01:30:20,039 --> 01:30:23,890
Even if it's, we wanted to find out if it was feasible and

1882
01:30:23,890 --> 01:30:25,640
now that we think, yeah, these

1883
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:29,869
costs don't look super high, it is a possibility then we go

1884
01:30:29,869 --> 01:30:32,319
on to the next level, which is,

1885
01:30:32,319 --> 01:30:36,479
okay, what are the things that are necessary and how do we

1886
01:30:36,479 --> 01:30:37,319
fund it?

1887
01:30:37,319 --> 01:30:38,319
In what fashion?

1888
01:30:38,319 --> 01:30:40,159
How do we phase them?

1889
01:30:40,159 --> 01:30:44,079
What year certain improvements go in?

1890
01:30:44,079 --> 01:30:45,800
All that plan has to be put in place.

1891
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:47,119
So we're pretty much planning.

1892
01:30:47,119 --> 01:30:50,159
We're in the first step of planning.

1893
01:30:50,159 --> 01:30:55,470
So why do they want to close some of these particular

1894
01:30:55,470 --> 01:30:56,640
streets?

1895
01:30:56,640 --> 01:30:58,600
They just don't want traffic in there at all?

1896
01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:02,079
They don't want the students have to deal with traffic?

1897
01:31:02,079 --> 01:31:03,079
Yes.

1898
01:31:03,079 --> 01:31:08,649
Ideally, their main master plan calls for this to be

1899
01:31:08,649 --> 01:31:12,520
pedestrian walkways or pedestrian

1900
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:16,069
mall areas, if you may, where kids can or students can

1901
01:31:16,069 --> 01:31:18,239
actually walk on the street and

1902
01:31:18,239 --> 01:31:21,479
they're completely shut down to traffic.

1903
01:31:21,479 --> 01:31:25,479
So that's what they want to create is more of a pedestrian

1904
01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:27,199
campus experience.

1905
01:31:27,199 --> 01:31:28,880
One more question.

1906
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:31,760
Do you know, have they talked to the students about this?

1907
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:34,039
I mean, has the student senate been approached?

1908
01:31:34,039 --> 01:31:37,039
Do they have they taken it or is this the university like

1909
01:31:37,039 --> 01:31:38,359
this is what we want?

1910
01:31:38,359 --> 01:31:42,210
So as part of the transportation master plan and it's I

1911
01:31:42,210 --> 01:31:44,399
think available online, there were

1912
01:31:44,399 --> 01:31:47,729
extensive student surveys that they had conducted and based

1913
01:31:47,729 --> 01:31:49,720
on that, this is the plan that they

1914
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:52,680
came up with.

1915
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:56,539
How would emergency vehicles be accessing kind of the inner

1916
01:31:56,539 --> 01:31:57,079
campus?

1917
01:31:57,079 --> 01:31:59,949
So yes, so that's part of our discussion that we're going

1918
01:31:59,949 --> 01:32:00,520
to have.

1919
01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:03,439
Do they completely shut down with blocking everything?

1920
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:05,220
Would there be gates?

1921
01:32:05,220 --> 01:32:07,600
Would there be any emergency access provided?

1922
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:10,289
That's part of the bigger discussion that we're going to

1923
01:32:10,289 --> 01:32:10,760
have.

1924
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:13,329
And if they're going to completely shut down, what are the

1925
01:32:13,329 --> 01:32:14,520
cross street access that they

1926
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:15,520
can provide?

1927
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:17,720
So we're not there yet.

1928
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:19,439
We'll still try to figure out.

1929
01:32:19,439 --> 01:32:22,800
The second one would be what about handicap access to the

1930
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:23,520
center?

1931
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:27,380
Because you're moving some streets and some parking further

1932
01:32:27,380 --> 01:32:28,720
out and it's going to make

1933
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:32,720
it more difficult for some handicap access like a lot of

1934
01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:35,319
programs at the music building.

1935
01:32:35,319 --> 01:32:37,920
Yes now that's a good question.

1936
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:40,689
We are working with UNT so that's something that will be

1937
01:32:40,689 --> 01:32:42,359
brought up in our discussion.

1938
01:32:42,359 --> 01:32:45,869
If you're taking away these accesses, what happens to some

1939
01:32:45,869 --> 01:32:47,520
of the parking spaces that

1940
01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:50,050
wouldn't be at-- I mean you wouldn't be able to get to

1941
01:32:50,050 --> 01:32:51,359
those parking spaces.

1942
01:32:51,359 --> 01:32:53,359
Do they go away?

1943
01:32:53,359 --> 01:32:55,810
What about the handicapped spaces that come with those

1944
01:32:55,810 --> 01:32:56,720
parking spaces?

1945
01:32:56,720 --> 01:32:59,800
Definitely that's a question that will be asked.

1946
01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:04,170
Yeah, so people don't have to go several blocks to access,

1947
01:33:04,170 --> 01:33:05,119
you know.

1948
01:33:05,119 --> 01:33:06,119
Correct.

1949
01:33:06,119 --> 01:33:08,119
I'll just add, I mean there's a lot of campuses that have

1950
01:33:08,119 --> 01:33:09,279
interior closed streets.

1951
01:33:09,279 --> 01:33:10,279
It's actually pretty common.

1952
01:33:10,279 --> 01:33:13,140
UT is a good example and they do have access for cars to

1953
01:33:13,140 --> 01:33:14,840
get on campus for emergencies

1954
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:17,359
and then also I think they do have spots where cars can

1955
01:33:17,359 --> 01:33:17,979
pull in.

1956
01:33:17,979 --> 01:33:20,479
So I think there's solutions to that.

1957
01:33:20,479 --> 01:33:23,340
The question for me is if UNT's campus has the density in

1958
01:33:23,340 --> 01:33:24,680
the spots they want to do it

1959
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:27,079
is my question because most campuses when they have those

1960
01:33:27,079 --> 01:33:28,399
roads, it's like really dense

1961
01:33:28,399 --> 01:33:30,729
all around and UT has so many parking lots in between but

1962
01:33:30,729 --> 01:33:32,279
maybe they're planning buildings

1963
01:33:32,279 --> 01:33:33,279
for those.

1964
01:33:33,279 --> 01:33:34,279
I don't know.

1965
01:33:34,279 --> 01:33:39,039
Yeah, there's definitely a lot of campuses are going that

1966
01:33:39,039 --> 01:33:40,279
direction.

1967
01:33:40,279 --> 01:33:44,300
They want their campus more of a walking, biking area as

1968
01:33:44,300 --> 01:33:46,539
opposed to allowing vehicles

1969
01:33:46,539 --> 01:33:47,539
to interact.

1970
01:33:47,539 --> 01:33:50,619
I think along Avenue C at Chestnut and some of these

1971
01:33:50,619 --> 01:33:53,399
intersections there's a lot of pedestrians

1972
01:33:53,399 --> 01:33:58,500
crossing so to begin with today, vehicle through traffic is

1973
01:33:58,500 --> 01:34:01,720
very restricted in certain hours.

1974
01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:03,819
It's hard to cross that intersection sometimes.

1975
01:34:03,819 --> 01:34:07,279
So they're trying to make sure that students don't have to

1976
01:34:07,279 --> 01:34:09,239
interact with vehicles so that

1977
01:34:09,239 --> 01:34:11,000
they're safer.

1978
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:13,000
That's their long-term goal.

1979
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:16,229
And there are already been some other places on campus

1980
01:34:16,229 --> 01:34:18,399
where there must have at some point

1981
01:34:18,399 --> 01:34:20,840
been a through street but they've closed them.

1982
01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:25,510
So long ago we don't know but like right behind my building

1983
01:34:25,510 --> 01:34:28,159
over off Hickory behind the auditorium

1984
01:34:28,159 --> 01:34:31,680
building, there are a number of handicapped spots there.

1985
01:34:31,680 --> 01:34:37,550
There's some motorcycle parking back there but the ingress

1986
01:34:37,550 --> 01:34:40,319
at that point off Fry Street

1987
01:34:40,319 --> 01:34:44,890
looks like at some point was a full-on street coming into

1988
01:34:44,890 --> 01:34:47,960
campus but they just kind of blocked

1989
01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:50,960
stuff off but they left all the parking.

1990
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:54,550
So a lot of the, even in the old part of campus, there's a

1991
01:34:54,550 --> 01:34:57,359
lot of handicapped parking internally.

1992
01:34:57,359 --> 01:35:01,880
So near the back doors but again, it's still accessible.

1993
01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:03,869
And when they make these changes, they tend to make a lot

1994
01:35:03,869 --> 01:35:05,039
of improvements to pedestrian

1995
01:35:05,039 --> 01:35:08,350
towns which can be really helpful for handicapped bicycles,

1996
01:35:08,350 --> 01:35:09,319
pedestrians.

1997
01:35:09,319 --> 01:35:14,119
I know we relieve a lot of complaints of students and staff

1998
01:35:14,119 --> 01:35:16,079
on Hick, on Island.

1999
01:35:16,079 --> 01:35:17,079
Yes.

2000
01:35:17,079 --> 01:35:21,479
If you do something to, sorry, go ahead.

2001
01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:23,000
We got the other chairman here.

2002
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:27,229
How is this going to work with the smaller airplane, Fry

2003
01:35:27,229 --> 01:35:29,680
Street, or Oakgate, right?

2004
01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:33,239
Well, you know.

2005
01:35:33,239 --> 01:35:34,239
Huh?

2006
01:35:34,239 --> 01:35:39,550
Well, we talked about this last week and in some ways, you

2007
01:35:39,550 --> 01:35:42,479
know, we're always going to,

2008
01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:46,000
we have to work in conjunction obviously with UNT but at

2009
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:48,760
that point, we got the same presentation

2010
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:52,479
last Thursday as we got today.

2011
01:35:52,479 --> 01:35:57,449
So the city and UNT are still, you know, doing, running

2012
01:35:57,449 --> 01:36:01,880
numbers, doing preliminary considerations.

2013
01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:05,479
You see any major, you see any major red flags?

2014
01:36:05,479 --> 01:36:07,359
I don't.

2015
01:36:07,359 --> 01:36:12,789
I think a couple people on the steering committee may have

2016
01:36:12,789 --> 01:36:16,159
had some concerns but I don't think

2017
01:36:16,159 --> 01:36:19,359
it's anything we can't work out.

2018
01:36:19,359 --> 01:36:24,770
All right, so this is the schedule we've already talked

2019
01:36:24,770 --> 01:36:25,760
about.

2020
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:30,130
We're wrapping the draft report so we are still reviewing

2021
01:36:30,130 --> 01:36:30,640
it.

2022
01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:32,880
We have not commented it.

2023
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:36,739
We're in this phase and we should be wrapping the study

2024
01:36:36,739 --> 01:36:39,680
soon and then folding it into the

2025
01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:42,239
Oakgate way, specific plan.

2026
01:36:42,239 --> 01:36:44,399
Any more questions?

2027
01:36:44,399 --> 01:36:46,920
I think we're, last slide.

2028
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:47,920
Okay.

2029
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:50,640
Anything else on this?

2030
01:36:50,640 --> 01:36:51,640
Okay.

2031
01:36:51,640 --> 01:37:07,680
That then brings us to 1F, TSC 18-041 which is staff

2032
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:15,920
reports including the matrix.

2033
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:23,520
Let me get this open here.

2034
01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:32,880
Okay.

2035
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:36,729
There are several items that were added starting from item

2036
01:37:36,729 --> 01:37:38,720
number 9 that were added in the

2037
01:37:38,720 --> 01:37:39,720
last meeting.

2038
01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:40,720
Can you put it up there?

2039
01:37:40,720 --> 01:37:41,720
Yeah, actually.

2040
01:37:41,720 --> 01:37:42,720
I don't have a copy.

2041
01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:49,720
Okay.

2042
01:37:49,720 --> 01:38:13,039
So there we are.

2043
01:38:13,039 --> 01:38:16,479
There are several items that have been discussed.

2044
01:38:16,479 --> 01:38:20,340
They're old, I think some of them are really tied with

2045
01:38:20,340 --> 01:38:22,720
other, like this one, the small

2046
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:23,720
area plan.

2047
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:27,819
They're tied with some of the other projects and ongoing

2048
01:38:27,819 --> 01:38:30,239
things within the community.

2049
01:38:30,239 --> 01:38:34,439
Old North University, this issue has been resolved.

2050
01:38:34,439 --> 01:38:37,909
The intersection, we've implemented northbound and south

2051
01:38:37,909 --> 01:38:39,439
bound left turn lanes.

2052
01:38:39,439 --> 01:38:43,909
So now there is a clear distinction when people approach in

2053
01:38:43,909 --> 01:38:46,359
north and south direction that

2054
01:38:46,359 --> 01:38:49,300
they're not confused whether someone's going through the

2055
01:38:49,300 --> 01:38:51,000
intersection straight or making

2056
01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:52,600
a left or making a right.

2057
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:55,920
So it is helping this intersection.

2058
01:38:55,920 --> 01:38:56,920
We're still monitoring.

2059
01:38:56,920 --> 01:39:02,399
We wrapped this up a couple weeks ago, I think.

2060
01:39:02,399 --> 01:39:05,600
Old Alton, students walking without sidewalk.

2061
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:14,800
TechStat has, it is a current work zone along FM 2181 and

2062
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:19,279
TechStat through Denton ISD is

2063
01:39:19,279 --> 01:39:21,880
working on creating a solution.

2064
01:39:21,880 --> 01:39:26,390
I think this one, they're using a parking lot that is south

2065
01:39:26,390 --> 01:39:29,079
of 2181 and students are

2066
01:39:29,079 --> 01:39:31,020
parking there and actually crossing.

2067
01:39:31,020 --> 01:39:34,890
So we worked with TechStat to put in a pedestrian signal at

2068
01:39:34,890 --> 01:39:37,319
Old Alton so that kids can actually

2069
01:39:37,319 --> 01:39:38,319
cross.

2070
01:39:38,319 --> 01:39:39,479
There was no signal.

2071
01:39:39,479 --> 01:39:40,479
They were unprotected.

2072
01:39:40,479 --> 01:39:43,399
They could not cross.

2073
01:39:43,399 --> 01:39:46,350
I think PD was helping us out when the signal didn't exist

2074
01:39:46,350 --> 01:39:48,199
and now that the signal is there,

2075
01:39:48,199 --> 01:39:51,149
they can actually push the button, get a pedestrian signal

2076
01:39:51,149 --> 01:39:52,039
and go across.

2077
01:39:52,039 --> 01:39:55,170
So that's something that we're, so slowly we're working

2078
01:39:55,170 --> 01:39:56,760
through this list as things

2079
01:39:56,760 --> 01:39:59,239
move forward.

2080
01:39:59,239 --> 01:40:02,079
Mingo Road, this is ongoing.

2081
01:40:02,079 --> 01:40:05,930
We're working with TWU, how we can better use their

2082
01:40:05,930 --> 01:40:07,800
existing golf course.

2083
01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:11,279
Pats, some of them are permanent concrete paths.

2084
01:40:11,279 --> 01:40:12,760
How can we connect to those?

2085
01:40:12,760 --> 01:40:16,609
So that would be something that would be an interim fix

2086
01:40:16,609 --> 01:40:18,640
until we design and build Mingo

2087
01:40:18,640 --> 01:40:21,779
with sidewalks.

2088
01:40:21,779 --> 01:40:24,619
This is another short term.

2089
01:40:24,619 --> 01:40:29,180
This is another project related to the small area plan,

2090
01:40:29,180 --> 01:40:32,239
Fort Worth at Collins, left turns.

2091
01:40:32,239 --> 01:40:35,439
So once that plan is implemented, we have an implementation

2092
01:40:35,439 --> 01:40:35,720
.

2093
01:40:35,720 --> 01:40:38,180
We looked at this intersection as part of our traffic

2094
01:40:38,180 --> 01:40:39,640
impact study and I think one of

2095
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:43,529
the mitigations is to put those left turns onto Fort Worth

2096
01:40:43,529 --> 01:40:44,239
Drive.

2097
01:40:44,239 --> 01:40:48,000
So yes, at some point once we get the funding identified.

2098
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:51,880
So a lot of these are either on the way or on our list to

2099
01:40:51,880 --> 01:40:53,239
be completed.

2100
01:40:53,239 --> 01:40:58,550
We added a bunch more starting with item nine and yeah, we

2101
01:40:58,550 --> 01:41:01,399
haven't really had a chance to

2102
01:41:01,399 --> 01:41:02,399
look at it.

2103
01:41:02,399 --> 01:41:03,399
I'd like to clarify that one.

2104
01:41:03,399 --> 01:41:06,619
It really is not, it would benefit pedestrians, but I'm

2105
01:41:06,619 --> 01:41:08,500
thinking more of motorists.

2106
01:41:08,500 --> 01:41:11,439
Is there approaching South Hunterdale, is there approaching

2107
01:41:11,439 --> 01:41:11,920
Mingo?

2108
01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:17,090
If you're going to make a left turn, the way the, you've

2109
01:41:17,090 --> 01:41:19,439
got the poles and then you got

2110
01:41:19,439 --> 01:41:22,939
the fencing right there and the fencing angles and it's

2111
01:41:22,939 --> 01:41:25,239
difficult to see oncoming traffic

2112
01:41:25,239 --> 01:41:28,439
until you have to pull it way forward.

2113
01:41:28,439 --> 01:41:32,600
So that would tie into our discussion at TWA.

2114
01:41:32,600 --> 01:41:34,000
That could be folded.

2115
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:36,399
Just fold that one into that and take that one out.

2116
01:41:36,399 --> 01:41:39,479
I think part of the discussion is to take that fence

2117
01:41:39,479 --> 01:41:41,600
completely out so that it becomes

2118
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:43,600
an open area for public.

2119
01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:47,659
There are some concerns by, safety concerns by PD there,

2120
01:41:47,659 --> 01:41:50,039
but we're still working through

2121
01:41:50,039 --> 01:41:52,239
that, but that fencing will be in that discussion.

2122
01:41:52,239 --> 01:41:54,800
Yeah, I was just thinking fencing is a nice quick, easy

2123
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:56,380
thing that could be done as these

2124
01:41:56,380 --> 01:41:58,760
others are being worked on.

2125
01:41:58,760 --> 01:41:59,760
Okay.

2126
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:01,880
And then we are looking into that.

2127
01:42:01,880 --> 01:42:07,119
I think I had a, stop signs are for yield for bicyclists.

2128
01:42:07,119 --> 01:42:09,159
We had a discussion with our bike pet coordinator.

2129
01:42:09,159 --> 01:42:11,659
He'll bring an item soon forward.

2130
01:42:11,659 --> 01:42:15,520
So we'll see what are the options and explore the options

2131
01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:17,720
or provide more information as

2132
01:42:17,720 --> 01:42:20,119
part of a next agenda item.

2133
01:42:20,119 --> 01:42:21,119
Yes.

2134
01:42:21,119 --> 01:42:24,060
Can I, I don't know anything about that since I wasn't here

2135
01:42:24,060 --> 01:42:24,520
last.

2136
01:42:24,520 --> 01:42:25,699
What is that about?

2137
01:42:25,699 --> 01:42:29,350
So this particular is, there is something called Idaho stop

2138
01:42:29,350 --> 01:42:31,000
, which means in the state

2139
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:35,250
of Idaho, bicyclists can actually use a stop sign as a

2140
01:42:35,250 --> 01:42:36,439
yield sign.

2141
01:42:36,439 --> 01:42:38,880
So when they're approaching an intersection, they see that

2142
01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:40,119
there's no one, they can go

2143
01:42:40,119 --> 01:42:42,039
through the intersection by slowing down.

2144
01:42:42,039 --> 01:42:43,039
Okay.

2145
01:42:43,039 --> 01:42:44,319
Rest of the states don't have that.

2146
01:42:44,319 --> 01:42:47,520
You have to have complete stop for bicycles.

2147
01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:50,199
I thought there's no other states that have adopted it.

2148
01:42:50,199 --> 01:42:52,720
I thought, I thought quite a few states have adopted it.

2149
01:42:52,720 --> 01:42:55,319
I don't believe, but we'll look into that.

2150
01:42:55,319 --> 01:42:57,779
That's exactly the information that our bike pet

2151
01:42:57,779 --> 01:42:59,600
coordinator will bring forward.

2152
01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:00,600
Cool.

2153
01:43:00,600 --> 01:43:05,880
And would agendize that particular item.

2154
01:43:05,880 --> 01:43:07,600
Temporary improvements to Hickory.

2155
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:11,319
Yes, we're working on the project.

2156
01:43:11,319 --> 01:43:17,640
So you say temporary for temporary bike lanes.

2157
01:43:17,640 --> 01:43:18,640
Okay.

2158
01:43:18,640 --> 01:43:22,000
Any more, we can start writing them down.

2159
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:23,000
Yeah.

2160
01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:26,460
So Melissa, this is a point where, you know, since the

2161
01:43:26,460 --> 01:43:28,560
commission is also like the eyes

2162
01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:31,199
on the street and you talk to people.

2163
01:43:31,199 --> 01:43:36,279
So if you are running into yourself little places where you

2164
01:43:36,279 --> 01:43:39,680
're realizing pedestrian safety,

2165
01:43:39,680 --> 01:43:43,239
bike safety, anything like that could be improved.

2166
01:43:43,239 --> 01:43:45,560
You can bring that and put that on the matrix.

2167
01:43:45,560 --> 01:43:49,170
If somebody talks to you and says, oh, I see this at this

2168
01:43:49,170 --> 01:43:51,239
time of the day, you can bring

2169
01:43:51,239 --> 01:43:52,239
that.

2170
01:43:52,239 --> 01:43:56,270
A lot of these little things, you know, they are definitely

2171
01:43:56,270 --> 01:43:57,520
more granular.

2172
01:43:57,520 --> 01:44:00,909
Many staff isn't out there in the streets as much as we are

2173
01:44:00,909 --> 01:44:01,199
.

2174
01:44:01,199 --> 01:44:04,079
And so, well, sometimes they are.

2175
01:44:04,079 --> 01:44:09,159
But a lot of these things are really super quick fixes.

2176
01:44:09,159 --> 01:44:13,560
Some of them are paint and some signage and a lot of the,

2177
01:44:13,560 --> 01:44:15,760
but you can bring things in

2178
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:16,760
and put them on the matrix.

2179
01:44:16,760 --> 01:44:20,279
Well, I was going to say, can I, may I?

2180
01:44:20,279 --> 01:44:24,869
So I talked to somebody tonight who is a teacher over at UN

2181
01:44:24,869 --> 01:44:25,359
T.

2182
01:44:25,359 --> 01:44:30,979
And his comment to me was that on Welch, and I had him, I

2183
01:44:30,979 --> 01:44:33,039
had this with me.

2184
01:44:33,039 --> 01:44:37,239
On Welch he says going, where is it?

2185
01:44:37,239 --> 01:44:42,199
I have to find it now.

2186
01:44:42,199 --> 01:44:48,239
So I guess it's Welch and over by the Union.

2187
01:44:48,239 --> 01:44:54,739
When you, when you are going, that would be east and then,

2188
01:44:54,739 --> 01:44:57,479
wait, is that right?

2189
01:44:57,479 --> 01:44:58,479
Welch goes north-south.

2190
01:44:58,479 --> 01:45:02,329
Okay, when you, there is a road that runs into Welch that

2191
01:45:02,329 --> 01:45:03,640
goes east and west.

2192
01:45:03,640 --> 01:45:07,779
When you go east on it to hit Welch and then you go up Wel

2193
01:45:07,779 --> 01:45:10,319
ch, he says that there is, it's

2194
01:45:10,319 --> 01:45:14,880
like three lanes and there is poor signage.

2195
01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:19,340
And he's seen multiple times where people don't know which

2196
01:45:19,340 --> 01:45:21,439
way they are going because

2197
01:45:21,439 --> 01:45:22,920
the roads aren't marked well.

2198
01:45:22,920 --> 01:45:25,119
There's not like a dotted line for the turn.

2199
01:45:25,119 --> 01:45:26,760
And that was just tonight.

2200
01:45:26,760 --> 01:45:30,380
He said he had did a whole presentation on it in front of

2201
01:45:30,380 --> 01:45:32,000
the Student Senate.

2202
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:33,840
I can have him bring it.

2203
01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:36,079
I can have him give it to me if I need, you know.

2204
01:45:36,079 --> 01:45:38,159
Yeah, it would be helpful if we can provide more

2205
01:45:38,159 --> 01:45:39,560
information on the exact location.

2206
01:45:39,560 --> 01:45:40,560
And just bring it up next time.

2207
01:45:40,560 --> 01:45:41,560
Yeah, that would be helpful.

2208
01:45:41,560 --> 01:45:42,560
Okay, I can do that.

2209
01:45:42,560 --> 01:45:43,560
Okay.

2210
01:45:43,560 --> 01:45:44,560
Any more?

2211
01:45:44,560 --> 01:45:54,250
I'd like to add, as I talked to you earlier, that I'd like

2212
01:45:54,250 --> 01:45:59,239
us to look at maybe quarterly

2213
01:45:59,239 --> 01:46:03,090
receive reports from the police department on accidents,

2214
01:46:03,090 --> 01:46:06,199
pedestrian, motor vehicle, bicycle.

2215
01:46:06,199 --> 01:46:09,329
So we can, there may not be anything we can do about them,

2216
01:46:09,329 --> 01:46:10,920
but at least some education

2217
01:46:10,920 --> 01:46:13,840
for us and maybe for the citizens.

2218
01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:14,840
Okay.

2219
01:46:14,840 --> 01:46:19,250
I know if there's any causes we can determine that there's

2220
01:46:19,250 --> 01:46:21,640
anything we can impact, you know.

2221
01:46:21,640 --> 01:46:24,000
We just need the data.

2222
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:26,760
We need the data to be able to do something.

2223
01:46:26,760 --> 01:46:27,760
I would agree.

2224
01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:31,010
I mean, I, as a, because I am a bike commuter, there are

2225
01:46:31,010 --> 01:46:33,000
many times I see people do things

2226
01:46:33,000 --> 01:46:35,840
and I'm like, why are you doing that?

2227
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:38,479
You're just making, you're going to get hurt.

2228
01:46:38,479 --> 01:46:41,079
So I think, you know, how can we educate?

2229
01:46:41,079 --> 01:46:44,689
Like if you know what's happening, then is there a way we

2230
01:46:44,689 --> 01:46:46,239
can educate people?

2231
01:46:46,239 --> 01:46:47,239
Okay.

2232
01:46:47,239 --> 01:46:52,960
Anybody have anything else for the matrix?

2233
01:46:52,960 --> 01:46:56,279
I do have one, and this maybe doesn't need to go.

2234
01:46:56,279 --> 01:46:57,279
I don't know, just a quick question.

2235
01:46:57,279 --> 01:47:00,369
So I was just thinking about those alleyways on, between

2236
01:47:00,369 --> 01:47:02,199
Locust and Elm, you know, that

2237
01:47:02,199 --> 01:47:06,479
have businesses along both Walnut and Mulberry.

2238
01:47:06,479 --> 01:47:10,359
You guys are familiar, so Mulberry has several businesses

2239
01:47:10,359 --> 01:47:12,520
on it, including what's the nice,

2240
01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:16,279
there's a nice restaurant there that everybody goes to.

2241
01:47:16,279 --> 01:47:18,239
It's right across from Mulberry Street Cantina.

2242
01:47:18,239 --> 01:47:19,239
Oh, okay.

2243
01:47:19,239 --> 01:47:20,239
That is Mulberry.

2244
01:47:20,239 --> 01:47:23,640
So those two alleyways, one side, yeah, Hannah's.

2245
01:47:23,640 --> 01:47:25,960
And so on one side you have a sidewalk, but it tends to,

2246
01:47:25,960 --> 01:47:27,359
whenever I've walked through

2247
01:47:27,359 --> 01:47:29,079
that area and gone through that area, people on the other

2248
01:47:29,079 --> 01:47:30,079
side don't make their way over

2249
01:47:30,079 --> 01:47:32,199
to the sidewalk and we kind of just have cars parking on

2250
01:47:32,199 --> 01:47:32,760
the side.

2251
01:47:32,760 --> 01:47:36,130
I wonder if there's just a temporary, an easy solution

2252
01:47:36,130 --> 01:47:38,680
where we could make lines that created

2253
01:47:38,680 --> 01:47:39,680
a sidewalk there.

2254
01:47:39,680 --> 01:47:40,680
I don't know what it is.

2255
01:47:40,680 --> 01:47:42,239
So it's mainly on the north side.

2256
01:47:42,239 --> 01:47:44,000
I think the south side is fine.

2257
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:45,819
But people tend to just walk in the street and then cars

2258
01:47:45,819 --> 01:47:46,640
are coming around.

2259
01:47:46,640 --> 01:47:48,560
It's also next to a lot of bars.

2260
01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:50,960
So there could be an easy solution.

2261
01:47:50,960 --> 01:47:51,960
I don't know.

2262
01:47:51,960 --> 01:47:55,189
It would be helpful if you send me a street view showing

2263
01:47:55,189 --> 01:47:57,079
the parking area, because we

2264
01:47:57,079 --> 01:48:01,619
received a similar complaint at the intersection of Elm and

2265
01:48:01,619 --> 01:48:05,119
Mulberry on the south side of Mulberry.

2266
01:48:05,119 --> 01:48:09,489
And there were parallel parked cars near this property,

2267
01:48:09,489 --> 01:48:12,800
near this building that almost encroached

2268
01:48:12,800 --> 01:48:14,520
into the sidewalk.

2269
01:48:14,520 --> 01:48:17,880
And all we did is we definitely re-striped the sidewalk,

2270
01:48:17,880 --> 01:48:19,640
delineated better, and then

2271
01:48:19,640 --> 01:48:21,840
the cars were pushed out in the street.

2272
01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:25,840
Well, on Mulberry, I mean on the north side, there's not a

2273
01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:27,800
clear sidewalk anywhere.

2274
01:48:27,800 --> 01:48:31,000
There's ramps coming out from several of the buildings.

2275
01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:33,510
And then you just have cars and dumpsters taking up the

2276
01:48:33,510 --> 01:48:34,560
rest of the space.

2277
01:48:34,560 --> 01:48:38,130
So people just walk in the street pretty much whenever they

2278
01:48:38,130 --> 01:48:39,560
're going through.

2279
01:48:39,560 --> 01:48:41,439
But it seems like there's room there.

2280
01:48:41,439 --> 01:48:43,449
It just seems like when you clear a direction on where cars

2281
01:48:43,449 --> 01:48:43,800
park.

2282
01:48:43,800 --> 01:48:47,989
Like if we had a line for parallel parking, then maybe that

2283
01:48:47,989 --> 01:48:50,079
space between would just be

2284
01:48:50,079 --> 01:48:51,079
pedestrian.

2285
01:48:51,079 --> 01:48:54,079
So I've got it up right now.

2286
01:48:54,079 --> 01:48:56,319
I don't know if that's helpful.

2287
01:48:56,319 --> 01:48:57,319
I could show you after.

2288
01:48:57,319 --> 01:48:59,989
But I don't know what the actual answer is, because it's

2289
01:48:59,989 --> 01:49:01,239
kind of a weird space.

2290
01:49:01,239 --> 01:49:04,109
Yeah, well, we'll have to really take a look at it of what

2291
01:49:04,109 --> 01:49:05,159
exactly we can do.

2292
01:49:05,159 --> 01:49:10,130
We can't have a walking space within the parking and the

2293
01:49:10,130 --> 01:49:11,680
actual street.

2294
01:49:11,680 --> 01:49:14,079
So we'll have to see how we can--

2295
01:49:14,079 --> 01:49:15,079
OK, we got you.

2296
01:49:15,079 --> 01:49:16,079
We can stripe it.

2297
01:49:16,079 --> 01:49:17,079
We can make a better use of that area.

2298
01:49:17,079 --> 01:49:21,279
At that corner, there is not a curb, is there?

2299
01:49:21,279 --> 01:49:23,359
Is it still--

2300
01:49:23,359 --> 01:49:25,479
On the north side?

2301
01:49:25,479 --> 01:49:27,720
On the south side of that intersection?

2302
01:49:27,720 --> 01:49:31,640
Because that used to be an old Greyhound bus depot.

2303
01:49:31,640 --> 01:49:32,640
Which building?

2304
01:49:32,640 --> 01:49:33,640
On the other side?

2305
01:49:33,640 --> 01:49:34,640
Yeah, on the south--

2306
01:49:34,640 --> 01:49:35,640
The Trophy Shop?

2307
01:49:35,640 --> 01:49:36,640
Yeah, where the Trophy Shop.

2308
01:49:36,640 --> 01:49:39,319
Yeah, so is there a curb that has been built there now?

2309
01:49:39,319 --> 01:49:41,359
No, yeah, that's a whole weird corner, too.

2310
01:49:41,359 --> 01:49:44,729
And obviously, because there's nothing there, people can

2311
01:49:44,729 --> 01:49:46,640
also swoop around the corner into

2312
01:49:46,640 --> 01:49:49,399
a little alley where people are walking.

2313
01:49:49,399 --> 01:49:51,159
That is actually a very good point.

2314
01:49:51,159 --> 01:49:54,260
So just clear-- just clarifying where people are supposed

2315
01:49:54,260 --> 01:49:55,960
to be, there's no lines anywhere.

2316
01:49:55,960 --> 01:49:58,760
Yeah, is that part of the MUSE project, then?

2317
01:49:58,760 --> 01:49:59,760
Well, it is.

2318
01:49:59,760 --> 01:50:01,960
Mulberry is not, so--

2319
01:50:01,960 --> 01:50:02,960
OK.

2320
01:50:02,960 --> 01:50:06,159
Oh, OK.

2321
01:50:06,159 --> 01:50:09,600
So we can look at specifically Mulberry and see.

2322
01:50:09,600 --> 01:50:10,600
OK, great.

2323
01:50:10,600 --> 01:50:14,199
What is the MUSE project?

2324
01:50:14,199 --> 01:50:20,670
The city is looking at doing some traffic calming and some

2325
01:50:20,670 --> 01:50:24,439
work on what used to be the alleyways

2326
01:50:24,439 --> 01:50:28,039
behind Locust and Elm Street.

2327
01:50:28,039 --> 01:50:32,439
So these are the streets we're talking about.

2328
01:50:32,439 --> 01:50:34,720
Austin and then Walnut.

2329
01:50:34,720 --> 01:50:37,720
I think they've worked on Cedar quite a bit.

2330
01:50:37,720 --> 01:50:40,800
Cedar is completely updated, but we're looking-- focusing

2331
01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:42,439
on these three streets as part of

2332
01:50:42,439 --> 01:50:45,439
the MUSE.

2333
01:50:45,439 --> 01:50:46,439
OK.

2334
01:50:46,439 --> 01:50:50,800
OK, does anybody have anything else?

2335
01:50:50,800 --> 01:50:54,600
All right.

2336
01:50:54,600 --> 01:50:57,600
Do we have a motion to adjourn?

2337
01:50:57,600 --> 01:51:00,600
I motion to re-adjourn.

2338
01:51:00,600 --> 01:51:01,600
OK.

2339
01:51:01,600 --> 01:51:02,600
Everyone in favor?

2340
01:51:02,600 --> 01:51:03,600
Yes.

2341
01:51:03,600 --> 01:51:04,600
Aye.

2342
01:51:04,600 --> 01:51:05,600
OK, I agree.

2343
01:51:05,600 --> 01:51:06,600
Unanimous.

2344
01:51:06,600 --> 01:51:07,600
OK.

2345
01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:07,600
Thank you all.