WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.599 Okay, everyone. 00:00:04.599 --> 00:00:08.119 It is Monday, September 17, 2018. 00:00:08.119 --> 00:00:12.669 We have a quorum, and welcome to the September Traffic 00:00:12.669 --> 00:00:15.179 Safety Commission meeting. 00:00:15.179 --> 00:00:19.309 We have a big turnover of members, and so I'd like us each 00:00:19.309 --> 00:00:22.879 to introduce ourselves right 00:00:22.879 --> 00:00:25.199 before you put food in your mouth. 00:00:25.199 --> 00:00:29.449 Tell us which district you're in, and if you have a 00:00:29.449 --> 00:00:32.840 particular interest and that you are 00:00:32.840 --> 00:00:35.399 hoping to represent on this committee. 00:00:35.399 --> 00:00:37.399 We'll start with Henry after he swallows. 00:00:37.399 --> 00:00:39.399 My name is Henry Jason. 00:00:39.399 --> 00:00:43.399 I have a history of -- I'm sorry, speaking to you. 00:00:43.399 --> 00:00:46.399 I thought I was loud. 00:00:46.399 --> 00:00:47.399 Hello? 00:00:47.399 --> 00:00:48.399 Hello? 00:00:48.399 --> 00:00:49.399 Hello? 00:00:49.399 --> 00:00:52.600 My career has been involved in civil service. 00:00:52.600 --> 00:00:55.799 I was a political appointee myself. 00:00:55.799 --> 00:01:01.689 I ran civil rights enforcement agencies, served on handicap 00:01:01.689 --> 00:01:06.000 committees providing education, 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:10.719 legal opinions, general expertise to all segments of the 00:01:10.719 --> 00:01:13.680 community, not just people who are 00:01:13.680 --> 00:01:17.980 protected by law, but we also provided it to employers, to 00:01:17.980 --> 00:01:20.200 transportation districts, 00:01:20.200 --> 00:01:26.290 at all, so the people would get equal protection and equal 00:01:26.290 --> 00:01:27.599 service. 00:01:27.599 --> 00:01:28.599 All right. 00:01:28.599 --> 00:01:29.599 Thank you. 00:01:29.599 --> 00:01:30.599 Welcome. 00:01:30.599 --> 00:01:31.599 Thank you. 00:01:31.599 --> 00:01:32.599 Jeff? 00:01:32.599 --> 00:01:33.599 Thank you. 00:01:33.599 --> 00:01:34.599 Appreciate you all having me. 00:01:34.599 --> 00:01:35.599 I look forward to working with you. 00:01:35.599 --> 00:01:38.599 And that's a tough resume to follow. 00:01:38.599 --> 00:01:41.040 I do not have that much of experience. 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:43.400 I've lived in Denton for over 30 years. 00:01:43.400 --> 00:01:44.920 I have three children. 00:01:44.920 --> 00:01:48.129 We've seen Denton change quite a bit, and with that, a lot 00:01:48.129 --> 00:01:49.599 lately with the addition 00:01:49.599 --> 00:01:54.719 of all the new highways, et cetera, to me, and just having 00:01:54.719 --> 00:01:57.159 the experience I've had in 00:01:57.159 --> 00:02:00.090 Denton and seeing all the changes and some of the things 00:02:00.090 --> 00:02:01.480 that have changed that what 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:05.340 I thought were positive might not have come out that way, 00:02:05.340 --> 00:02:07.280 and I was interested in this 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:11.870 position to just address some of the issues with the team 00:02:11.870 --> 00:02:15.080 and our commission and try to 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:18.060 make it as fluid as possible as of right now with a lot of 00:02:18.060 --> 00:02:19.759 the construction and things 00:02:19.759 --> 00:02:21.599 that are going on. 00:02:21.599 --> 00:02:24.340 It's not fluid in many places, and so I'd love to 00:02:24.340 --> 00:02:26.560 contribute in any way I can on that. 00:02:26.560 --> 00:02:27.560 All right. 00:02:27.560 --> 00:02:28.560 Thank you. 00:02:28.560 --> 00:02:29.560 Dan Kretke. 00:02:29.560 --> 00:02:33.810 I originally was appointed by Kevin Roden and then reapp 00:02:33.810 --> 00:02:37.719 ointed by Gerard Hutzbeth, and 00:02:37.719 --> 00:02:41.360 I'm in District 1, live in District 1, so I think everyone 00:02:41.360 --> 00:02:43.039 knows I'm a big walkability 00:02:43.039 --> 00:02:46.129 advocate, love bike lanes, pedestrians, and in the urban 00:02:46.129 --> 00:02:47.680 core, I hope Denton can become 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:53.080 safer and we can encourage more people to get out of their 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:55.599 cars and use other ways of 00:02:55.599 --> 00:02:58.810 getting around, and if anyone's interested in those ideas, 00:02:58.810 --> 00:03:00.080 I've really... 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:02.169 Jeff Speck's work, he has a couple books that are really 00:03:02.169 --> 00:03:03.199 easy if you're interested 00:03:03.199 --> 00:03:06.919 in walkability that have influenced me a lot. 00:03:06.919 --> 00:03:08.919 Thank you. 00:03:08.919 --> 00:03:11.400 A push to start? 00:03:11.400 --> 00:03:13.400 Oh, you're good when you're green. 00:03:13.400 --> 00:03:14.759 I'm good to go, okay. 00:03:14.759 --> 00:03:21.280 Clay Thurmond, and I'm in District 1, appointed by Paul 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:26.039 Meltzer, and my interests are cycling 00:03:26.039 --> 00:03:27.039 infrastructure. 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:31.169 I love the Safe Routes to Schools concepts, the linking 00:03:31.169 --> 00:03:33.479 that's been done in some of our 00:03:33.479 --> 00:03:40.430 city parks, and I'd like to see us develop a true bicycle 00:03:40.430 --> 00:03:44.280 network of good infrastructure 00:03:44.280 --> 00:03:46.479 in town. 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:51.669 My wife is disabled, so I am always keeping my eye out for 00:03:51.669 --> 00:03:54.520 parking spots and places that 00:03:54.520 --> 00:04:01.319 can be converted and general disabled access. 00:04:01.319 --> 00:04:06.599 And I also am a motorist, so I see things that I may want 00:04:06.599 --> 00:04:08.719 to bring forward. 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:11.039 All right, thank you. 00:04:11.039 --> 00:04:14.560 I'm Patrice Lyke, and I live in District 3. 00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:19.209 I'm about a seven-minute bike ride from here, cutting 00:04:19.209 --> 00:04:21.920 through the Quaker Town Park. 00:04:21.920 --> 00:04:26.050 My primary interests are with bikeability and walkability, 00:04:26.050 --> 00:04:27.959 because I'm an 11-minute 00:04:27.959 --> 00:04:33.139 walk from my office, and so that's really, you know, the 00:04:33.139 --> 00:04:36.120 streets are what I pay attention 00:04:36.120 --> 00:04:38.560 to, where I'm walking and where I'm biking. 00:04:38.560 --> 00:04:43.699 I'm also the current chair of the Oak Gateway Small Area 00:04:43.699 --> 00:04:46.480 Plan Steering Committee. 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:49.560 That's a lot to put out there. 00:04:49.560 --> 00:04:54.069 But as a result of that, we've been really looking at 00:04:54.069 --> 00:04:57.680 mobility, parking issues, and again, 00:04:57.680 --> 00:05:00.949 you know, all the ways to make our streets safer in the 00:05:00.949 --> 00:05:02.920 area that's been designated for 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:04.920 the small area plan. 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:09.439 Yes, my name is Jim Owen. 00:05:09.439 --> 00:05:12.519 I'm a UNT bus driver, second career. 00:05:12.519 --> 00:05:19.139 Moved here in 2010 to get connected, reconnected with the 00:05:19.139 --> 00:05:20.240 family. 00:05:20.240 --> 00:05:21.800 I got on this committee. 00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:23.279 John Ryan put me on the committee. 00:05:23.279 --> 00:05:27.519 I live in District 4. 00:05:27.519 --> 00:05:31.439 I drive these streets every day with a 37-foot bus. 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:36.170 So parking and student responsibilities of how they do that 00:05:36.170 --> 00:05:38.600 , and Hickory Street and bike 00:05:38.600 --> 00:05:41.639 lanes and all that, it's important. 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:44.279 It's important for livability in this city. 00:05:44.279 --> 00:05:47.730 It's in transition from just a little small town to 00:05:47.730 --> 00:05:50.319 something a lot bigger, and we have 00:05:50.319 --> 00:05:52.560 to plan for the future. 00:05:52.560 --> 00:05:56.689 And also, Dan's vice chairman, Patrice, is the chairman of 00:05:56.689 --> 00:05:57.759 the committee. 00:05:57.759 --> 00:06:00.160 So I just wanted to mention that. 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:03.399 I've been on it since 2015. 00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:04.399 So has she. 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:05.399 Thank you. 00:06:05.399 --> 00:06:08.800 Hi, my name is Preetam Deshmukh. 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:13.149 I am the city traffic engineer, also the staff liaison from 00:06:13.149 --> 00:06:15.680 the city side for this particular 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:17.439 committee. 00:06:17.439 --> 00:06:21.149 And it's good to see a lot of folks are into overall 00:06:21.149 --> 00:06:23.639 mobility as opposed to just moving 00:06:23.639 --> 00:06:25.279 traffic. 00:06:25.279 --> 00:06:28.220 And also another perspective of driving a big bus through 00:06:28.220 --> 00:06:28.920 the town. 00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:34.660 So different angles, different perspectives, and it's great 00:06:34.660 --> 00:06:37.199 to have all these committee 00:06:37.199 --> 00:06:38.199 members here. 00:06:38.199 --> 00:06:39.199 Thank you. 00:06:39.199 --> 00:06:40.199 Great. 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:41.199 All right. 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:42.199 Thank you, everyone. 00:06:42.199 --> 00:06:48.689 So we have 1A, which is TSC 18-030, which is to consider 00:06:48.689 --> 00:06:51.639 the approval of Traffic Safety 00:06:51.639 --> 00:06:56.509 Commission meeting minutes of May 7th, 2018, and July 2nd, 00:06:56.509 --> 00:06:57.720 2018. 00:06:57.720 --> 00:07:01.680 Has everyone had a chance to look at the minutes? 00:07:01.680 --> 00:07:03.680 And are there any corrections? 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:06.680 Or is there a move for approval? 00:07:06.680 --> 00:07:11.920 I make a motion to move for approval as read. 00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:12.920 Okay. 00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:13.920 We have a motion for approval. 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:14.920 Anyone have a second? 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:15.920 I second. 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:16.920 Okay. 00:07:16.920 --> 00:07:20.000 And we have a second. 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:25.399 So both sets of minutes will move forward as unamended. 00:07:25.399 --> 00:07:29.639 Item for consideration 1B then is TSC 18-0 -- 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:30.639 I'm sorry. 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:33.639 I was so excited. 00:07:33.639 --> 00:07:34.639 Okay. 00:07:34.639 --> 00:07:35.639 Okay. 00:07:35.639 --> 00:07:36.639 Everybody in favor? 00:07:36.639 --> 00:07:37.639 Aye. 00:07:37.639 --> 00:07:38.639 Okay. 00:07:38.639 --> 00:07:39.639 Aye. 00:07:39.639 --> 00:07:40.639 Okay. 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:42.240 Good to go. 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:44.240 All right. 00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:50.040 So 1B, TSC 18-031, which is to receive a report, hold 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:53.480 discussion, and make a recommendation 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:59.029 to City Council for approval of an amendment of an existing 00:07:59.029 --> 00:08:03.839 ordinance 2006-358 and updating 00:08:03.839 --> 00:08:08.430 the associated interlocal agreement to allow University of 00:08:08.430 --> 00:08:10.839 North Texas to enforce parking 00:08:10.839 --> 00:08:14.389 regulations and restrict on-street parking to permit 00:08:14.389 --> 00:08:16.800 parking along Kendall Street south 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:19.160 of Wilshire Street. 00:08:19.160 --> 00:08:22.160 Thank you. 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:27.029 Once again, my name is Preetam Deshpuk, traffic engineer 00:08:27.029 --> 00:08:30.240 for the city, and I really like maps. 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:33.799 So I can start here. 00:08:33.799 --> 00:08:38.159 This is a general idea of where the campus is. 00:08:38.159 --> 00:08:41.899 You can see all the highlighted areas and the street 00:08:41.899 --> 00:08:44.159 covered within the campus. 00:08:44.159 --> 00:08:48.600 I also have with me from UNT Chris Phelps, who is within 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:51.120 the transportation division 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:54.159 for UNT. 00:08:54.159 --> 00:08:58.460 And if you have any specific questions as to why, how, when 00:08:58.460 --> 00:09:00.360 , he might be able to dive 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:01.360 into those. 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:06.460 But overall, big picture, if you can see all the blues, and 00:09:06.460 --> 00:09:09.200 here, currently UNT under that 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:12.909 existing interlocal agreement has the right to enforce 00:09:12.909 --> 00:09:15.120 parking on all these streets, starting 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:20.690 with all the way from North Texas Boulevard to almost 00:09:20.690 --> 00:09:27.399 Bernard in the east-west, but north-south, 00:09:27.399 --> 00:09:30.039 if you see there are some streets missing. 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:34.909 And one of the recent developments that happened, and this 00:09:34.909 --> 00:09:37.879 is why we're here, is to understand 00:09:37.879 --> 00:09:42.990 that Kendal during the I-35E widening project, one of the 00:09:42.990 --> 00:09:46.039 things that TechStat completed, 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:51.320 and this was in coordination with the city, UNT, and all 00:09:51.320 --> 00:09:54.320 the stakeholders, that Kendal 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:56.360 was completely blocked off. 00:09:56.360 --> 00:10:00.250 If you can see there used to be a connection similar to 00:10:00.250 --> 00:10:02.559 what we have at New Sea here. 00:10:02.559 --> 00:10:07.019 Now Kendal has a curb, and part of the reasoning behind 00:10:07.019 --> 00:10:09.879 this was the property take in this 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:13.309 area as well as the big intersection signal where the right 00:10:13.309 --> 00:10:14.879 turns are already backing 00:10:14.879 --> 00:10:17.159 up into this particular intersection. 00:10:17.159 --> 00:10:19.899 So it didn't make any sense to provide an access where 00:10:19.899 --> 00:10:21.720 people would swing through lanes 00:10:21.720 --> 00:10:23.639 and get into the far side. 00:10:23.639 --> 00:10:25.080 It was a big safety concern. 00:10:25.080 --> 00:10:26.919 TechStat was on board. 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:30.440 So this was completely shut down. 00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:35.990 Subsequently UNT acquired this particular parcel, and they 00:10:35.990 --> 00:10:38.279 already own the old second 00:10:38.279 --> 00:10:40.639 save on this side. 00:10:40.639 --> 00:10:42.519 They already own this particular parcel. 00:10:42.519 --> 00:10:45.889 So they own property on either side of this particular 00:10:45.889 --> 00:10:48.039 segment of Kendal Street between 00:10:48.039 --> 00:10:52.039 Wilshire and I-35E Furniture Road. 00:10:52.039 --> 00:10:55.129 And what they're requesting at this point is they better, 00:10:55.129 --> 00:10:56.519 they need to have a better 00:10:56.519 --> 00:10:58.899 control of parking. 00:10:58.899 --> 00:11:03.460 If you see and zoom in, cars are literally parked every 00:11:03.460 --> 00:11:05.899 which place they can find. 00:11:05.899 --> 00:11:10.029 Especially their access around here, getting in and out, 00:11:10.029 --> 00:11:12.519 access on this particular driveway, 00:11:12.519 --> 00:11:15.899 general access at this intersection where you're looking at 00:11:15.899 --> 00:11:16.840 line of sight. 00:11:16.840 --> 00:11:22.019 And then also if you look at the existing parking, they're 00:11:22.019 --> 00:11:25.200 trying to put in an administrative 00:11:25.200 --> 00:11:29.330 services in here for UNT and their parking is restricted on 00:11:29.330 --> 00:11:30.200 all sides. 00:11:30.200 --> 00:11:33.580 And so they want to be a better control and use this 00:11:33.580 --> 00:11:36.000 particular on street parking. 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:41.590 And what they're asking this evening is first amend the 00:11:41.590 --> 00:11:44.720 interlocal agreement to add this 00:11:44.720 --> 00:11:47.909 particular segment so that they can actually have control 00:11:47.909 --> 00:11:48.879 over parking. 00:11:48.879 --> 00:11:52.600 And then second restrict parking to permit only. 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:57.309 So if they can issue permits and those permitted people can 00:11:57.309 --> 00:11:59.960 only park here, given that they 00:11:59.960 --> 00:12:04.299 own property on either side, I don't see an issue or any 00:12:04.299 --> 00:12:06.860 opposition from any of the property 00:12:06.860 --> 00:12:10.990 owners that are not taking access off of this particular 00:12:10.990 --> 00:12:11.779 street. 00:12:11.779 --> 00:12:17.330 So currently staff recommends that commissioners approve 00:12:17.330 --> 00:12:20.600 this particular item and recommend 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:27.679 to council for approving the restriction. 00:12:27.679 --> 00:12:28.679 Any questions? 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:29.679 Any questions for Chris? 00:12:29.679 --> 00:12:30.679 We'll be more than happy to answer. 00:12:30.679 --> 00:12:33.679 Do you have to press the button when you ask? 00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:37.120 No, actually if you leave it open, that's fine. 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:38.120 Green light's good light. 00:12:38.120 --> 00:12:43.210 Curiosity, what's the working relationship for Denton 00:12:43.210 --> 00:12:45.720 police and UNT officers? 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:47.639 Can we still tick it? 00:12:47.639 --> 00:12:52.740 So given our parking enforcement staff, we're really low on 00:12:52.740 --> 00:12:55.360 parking enforcement staff. 00:12:55.360 --> 00:12:58.919 I think we have three officers at the most. 00:12:58.919 --> 00:13:03.610 And given that in and around the campus itself, it is 00:13:03.610 --> 00:13:06.919 really hard to keep on top of parking 00:13:06.919 --> 00:13:08.759 enforcement. 00:13:08.759 --> 00:13:11.919 This will be actually helpful if UNT takes over. 00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:14.799 It will be a relief for our officers. 00:13:14.799 --> 00:13:18.480 And there is coordination and interaction if there are 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:20.600 certain things that are really 00:13:20.600 --> 00:13:25.299 illegal or something that UNT PD or Denton PD thinks that 00:13:25.299 --> 00:13:28.679 you're in someone else's jurisdiction, 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:33.740 they'll coordinate and contact each other and make or 00:13:33.740 --> 00:13:37.080 change the situation by enforcing 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:38.080 it. 00:13:38.080 --> 00:13:41.480 Is that viewed as private property, campus? 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:42.919 I'm sorry? 00:13:42.919 --> 00:13:46.039 Is campus viewed as private property? 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:49.759 It is a state property. 00:13:49.759 --> 00:13:54.629 We don't necessarily have jurisdiction over the parcels 00:13:54.629 --> 00:13:57.799 within the streets, but the streets 00:13:57.799 --> 00:13:58.799 are public right away. 00:13:58.799 --> 00:13:59.799 That's the city of Denton. 00:13:59.799 --> 00:14:00.799 Very good. 00:14:00.799 --> 00:14:01.799 Thank you. 00:14:01.799 --> 00:14:06.850 So Preetem, looking at the map, this is just a quick idle 00:14:06.850 --> 00:14:09.480 question, but all the red is 00:14:09.480 --> 00:14:13.519 where they will eventually be hoping to? 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:16.610 They have not requested, but it will be on a case-by-case 00:14:16.610 --> 00:14:18.240 basis, like the one that we're 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:19.240 currently looking at. 00:14:19.240 --> 00:14:21.519 It's a really small section. 00:14:21.519 --> 00:14:24.440 And we have come in the past, I think back in 2017. 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:29.460 Last year we came in for a smaller piece along Central, I 00:14:29.460 --> 00:14:30.600 believe. 00:14:30.600 --> 00:14:32.159 That's a direct access. 00:14:32.159 --> 00:14:38.039 So I think Central is down here. 00:14:38.039 --> 00:14:44.500 But yeah, it is on a case-by-case basis where we don't look 00:14:44.500 --> 00:14:47.200 at the whole map and then the 00:14:47.200 --> 00:14:48.200 red. 00:14:48.200 --> 00:14:49.200 It just... 00:14:49.200 --> 00:14:52.200 So that's their aspirations? 00:14:52.200 --> 00:14:56.799 Red is aspirational? 00:14:56.799 --> 00:14:57.799 Sort of. 00:14:57.799 --> 00:14:58.799 Okay. 00:14:58.799 --> 00:14:59.799 I'm just curious. 00:14:59.799 --> 00:15:03.500 As the campus is growing, I think it makes more sense and 00:15:03.500 --> 00:15:05.960 it's much more easier, especially 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:10.210 the enforcement side, because these are students that park 00:15:10.210 --> 00:15:12.720 in this area, primarily, almost 00:15:12.720 --> 00:15:15.080 90, 95% of students. 00:15:15.080 --> 00:15:17.889 And on the enforcement side, if City of Denton starts 00:15:17.889 --> 00:15:20.120 giving them parking tickets, all they're 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:23.049 gonna do is save it for three, four years and throw them 00:15:23.049 --> 00:15:24.840 out and not really be enforced. 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:27.279 But university has a lot of more leverage. 00:15:27.279 --> 00:15:33.740 They can actually withhold their degree at the end of 00:15:33.740 --> 00:15:35.639 everything. 00:15:35.639 --> 00:15:36.639 So... 00:15:36.639 --> 00:15:37.639 Okay. 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:38.639 Okay. 00:15:38.639 --> 00:15:44.330 I would think that the fire department's in support of this 00:15:44.330 --> 00:15:45.080 too. 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:46.080 Is that correct? 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:47.080 Correct. 00:15:47.080 --> 00:15:48.080 Okay. 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:49.080 Because of the clearances? 00:15:49.080 --> 00:15:50.080 Correct. 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:54.679 I think they'll get more driving space if clear up. 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:55.720 That is correct. 00:15:55.720 --> 00:16:02.669 And then this, just a quick mention, this particular 00:16:02.669 --> 00:16:06.639 closure here is mountable curb. 00:16:06.639 --> 00:16:11.279 So fire department trucks can easily exit out here. 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:13.600 So mountable curb only for fire trucks. 00:16:13.600 --> 00:16:14.600 It's not... 00:16:14.600 --> 00:16:15.720 If you look at the... 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:19.309 If you are out there, any normal vehicle wouldn't dare to 00:16:19.309 --> 00:16:20.360 go over this. 00:16:20.360 --> 00:16:24.490 But if fire trucks are in this area, they can easily go 00:16:24.490 --> 00:16:25.840 over and leave. 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:28.029 And then this area would be cleared off, especially from 00:16:28.029 --> 00:16:29.720 emergency response standpoint, so that 00:16:29.720 --> 00:16:32.919 no one's parking here. 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:33.919 That's the intent. 00:16:33.919 --> 00:16:34.919 I have a question, please. 00:16:34.919 --> 00:16:35.919 Yes. 00:16:35.919 --> 00:16:36.919 So I just wanna make sure that I understand you correctly. 00:16:36.919 --> 00:16:37.679 So the future they're gonna have that is an administrative 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:37.919 building. 00:16:37.919 --> 00:16:38.919 And I'm not sure who's currently parking in that. 00:16:38.919 --> 00:16:39.919 Kindle Street there. 00:16:39.919 --> 00:16:40.549 But you said that they were suggesting that they're gonna 00:16:40.549 --> 00:16:40.919 be parking in that building. 00:16:40.919 --> 00:16:41.919 So is that correct? 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:42.919 Correct. 00:16:42.919 --> 00:16:43.919 Okay. 00:16:43.919 --> 00:16:50.919 So is that correct? 00:16:50.919 --> 00:16:51.919 Correct. 00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:56.049 Is that permit only for the administration or is it for 00:16:56.049 --> 00:16:58.720 students and administration? 00:16:58.720 --> 00:16:59.720 That's a good question. 00:16:59.720 --> 00:17:00.720 Maybe Chris can help me there. 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:01.720 Chris, you might... 00:17:01.720 --> 00:17:02.720 So again, thank you for the opportunity to be here. 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:03.720 My name is Chris Fowlis. 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:12.160 I'm the senior director for transportation services. 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:14.680 So the building is scheduled to open, I believe, in January 00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:14.839 . 00:17:14.839 --> 00:17:17.930 It'll be administrative, so it'll be faculty staff that are 00:17:17.930 --> 00:17:18.400 there. 00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:22.529 There's currently, I wanna say, 98 spots in there, but we 00:17:22.529 --> 00:17:25.720 've got a couple 300 people going. 00:17:25.720 --> 00:17:29.200 So they will utilize that lot. 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:30.960 They will utilize... 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:34.809 Just north of Wilshire next to the PD is a lot we just did 00:17:34.809 --> 00:17:36.000 last... 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:38.000 I didn't wanna say December. 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:39.000 Oops. 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:40.000 December. 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:41.940 Yeah, this is lot 21 here. 00:17:41.940 --> 00:17:44.880 This provides some parking. 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:47.670 But no distinction has been made, is it student, faculty, 00:17:47.670 --> 00:17:48.279 or staff? 00:17:48.279 --> 00:17:51.019 One thing to understand, if we make it for student parking, 00:17:51.019 --> 00:17:52.200 faculty staff with their 00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:54.960 permit can downgrade to park in that same spot. 00:17:54.960 --> 00:17:55.960 You just... 00:17:55.960 --> 00:17:56.960 You can't upgrade your parking. 00:17:56.960 --> 00:18:02.650 So it really depends on the needs in that lot or are the 00:18:02.650 --> 00:18:06.059 folks that are going over there 00:18:06.059 --> 00:18:09.720 going to take away the parking that I have. 00:18:09.720 --> 00:18:14.769 Student parking and whatnot, I have plenty of parking on 00:18:14.769 --> 00:18:15.759 campus. 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:18.849 Contrary to what you hear, it may not be where you want it, 00:18:18.849 --> 00:18:19.880 but I've got it. 00:18:19.880 --> 00:18:20.880 And so we provide... 00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:24.289 And I'm glad Jim's here because we provide upwards of 47, 00:18:24.289 --> 00:18:26.240 000 hours of bus service to 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:29.609 help people move in and around campus so that they can go 00:18:29.609 --> 00:18:31.599 to the remote parking areas and 00:18:31.599 --> 00:18:32.599 then get to it. 00:18:32.599 --> 00:18:35.599 But we've not had an actual distinction in terms of the 00:18:35.599 --> 00:18:36.759 type of parking. 00:18:36.759 --> 00:18:41.200 I will tell you that just north of Wilshire by the PD is 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:42.759 faculty staff. 00:18:42.759 --> 00:18:46.190 So it's currently faculty staff parking, so it's not 00:18:46.190 --> 00:18:47.559 student parking. 00:18:47.559 --> 00:18:48.559 Just so... 00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:49.559 Sorry, did you have a follow-up? 00:18:49.559 --> 00:18:50.559 Go ahead. 00:18:50.559 --> 00:18:51.559 I was just trying to understand, so you have... 00:18:51.559 --> 00:18:52.119 There's like three sides of parking there that when you 00:18:52.119 --> 00:18:52.559 remove or eliminate the ability 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:53.180 for those cars that are currently there to park there and 00:18:53.180 --> 00:18:53.559 then put the administrators 00:18:53.559 --> 00:18:54.160 or the faculty or whatever the permits you're going to put 00:18:54.160 --> 00:18:54.559 in there, you're going to have 00:18:54.559 --> 00:18:55.559 a lot of the same issues. 00:18:55.559 --> 00:18:56.170 With the exception of the student parking, the parking is 00:18:56.170 --> 00:18:56.559 going to be a lot more difficult 00:18:56.559 --> 00:18:57.559 to get in there. 00:18:57.559 --> 00:18:58.559 So it's not going to be a lot of parking. 00:18:58.559 --> 00:18:59.559 It's going to be more of a parking. 00:18:59.559 --> 00:19:00.559 So it's not going to be a lot of parking. 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:01.559 It's going to be a lot of parking. 00:19:01.559 --> 00:19:09.640 So it's not going to be a lot of parking. 00:19:09.640 --> 00:19:11.839 So part of what we do, and Central is a good example if you 00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:13.240 're by there, we actually work 00:19:13.240 --> 00:19:17.480 with the city to line out what that should be striped. 00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:20.240 The clearances, you heard Preetem talk about the side 00:19:20.240 --> 00:19:21.940 angles as you approach the curb, 00:19:21.940 --> 00:19:25.750 and we enforce that so that folks can properly navigate the 00:19:25.750 --> 00:19:26.440 roads. 00:19:26.440 --> 00:19:30.299 I think the emergency access and egress is something that 00:19:30.299 --> 00:19:32.480 is, I think, not just who gets 00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:35.859 to park there, but crucially cleaning that up so that those 00:19:35.859 --> 00:19:37.440 folks can get in and around 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:41.880 safely because I'm telling you, I see two cars, and I talk 00:19:41.880 --> 00:19:44.000 to students when I see them, 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:48.519 and they've got this notion that if I'm over the line, it's 00:19:48.519 --> 00:19:49.279 okay. 00:19:49.279 --> 00:19:51.730 And so they're front bumpers over the line, but you have to 00:19:51.730 --> 00:19:53.000 kind of tell them you've got 00:19:53.000 --> 00:19:56.079 to be between the lines, not over the line. 00:19:56.079 --> 00:19:59.009 And so it creates a lot of issues, and Jim can talk to that 00:19:59.009 --> 00:20:00.279 as well as far as taking 00:20:00.279 --> 00:20:03.210 a bus through campus and some of the challenges that you 00:20:03.210 --> 00:20:04.240 have with that. 00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:09.980 So hopefully it would clean that up and provide a better 00:20:09.980 --> 00:20:13.920 experience for the area, and as well 00:20:13.920 --> 00:20:17.480 as the incidental uses of folks coming up and down. 00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:18.480 Thank you. 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:19.839 Yes, sir, you're welcome. 00:20:19.839 --> 00:20:23.289 Just curious, what is, this is just a related issue, 00:20:23.289 --> 00:20:25.599 obviously, because we have a lot of 00:20:25.599 --> 00:20:28.279 people wanting to park in a small amount of space. 00:20:28.279 --> 00:20:31.210 That's always, every college campus has that, but I agree, 00:20:31.210 --> 00:20:33.200 sometimes the problem is exaggerated. 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:36.599 I was at TWU before UNT, and I could find parking on the 00:20:36.599 --> 00:20:38.920 days I needed to without problem, 00:20:38.920 --> 00:20:40.640 but that's just my experience. 00:20:40.640 --> 00:20:44.769 But is there, so has UNT been working with the city, any, 00:20:44.769 --> 00:20:47.119 to try to encourage alternative 00:20:47.119 --> 00:20:48.400 ways to get to campus? 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:52.529 And is there some more, there's obviously a lot of bike 00:20:52.529 --> 00:20:54.720 racks on campus, and they're 00:20:54.720 --> 00:20:57.349 used, I mean it's actually jam-packed, it's pretty 00:20:57.349 --> 00:20:58.920 impressive how many people are biking 00:20:58.920 --> 00:20:59.920 to campus. 00:20:59.920 --> 00:21:02.420 Is there anything else to encourage faculty and students to 00:21:02.420 --> 00:21:03.039 not drive? 00:21:03.039 --> 00:21:07.309 So that's a good question, and yes, our department is all 00:21:07.309 --> 00:21:10.880 things, not just parking, but all things 00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:14.119 related to moving about. 00:21:14.119 --> 00:21:18.440 I'd like to think that this last year we worked pretty well 00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:20.799 with the city on our bike share 00:21:20.799 --> 00:21:23.279 that we just launched with the start of school. 00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:28.039 We're partnering with VeoRide to provide that service. 00:21:28.039 --> 00:21:31.569 We're actually working with them through the city to get 00:21:31.569 --> 00:21:35.119 their application done, so that's, 00:21:35.119 --> 00:21:38.420 three weeks into it has been well received on campus, so we 00:21:38.420 --> 00:21:40.000 'd like to see that mature 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:43.839 out into the city, but we've got an agreement there. 00:21:43.839 --> 00:21:45.720 We're part of the small area plan. 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:49.339 We've been working with the Oak Gateway neighborhood on 00:21:49.339 --> 00:21:49.920 that. 00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:53.759 I think there's a lot of good work to come out of that. 00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:55.640 We're working with DCTA. 00:21:55.640 --> 00:21:59.960 We have a promotion now whereby students, faculty, and 00:21:59.960 --> 00:22:02.319 staff with their ID can now ride 00:22:02.319 --> 00:22:04.319 the A train for no cost. 00:22:04.319 --> 00:22:08.200 You can actually get off at Med Park and take the bus into 00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:09.079 campus. 00:22:09.079 --> 00:22:12.170 You can now go to the downtown transfer center, catch route 00:22:12.170 --> 00:22:14.119 eight, and pretty much go directly 00:22:14.119 --> 00:22:15.759 to campus. 00:22:15.759 --> 00:22:18.390 We've made some changes on the bus service route six this 00:22:18.390 --> 00:22:19.000 last year. 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:20.839 Now connects with Discovery Park. 00:22:20.839 --> 00:22:24.450 We have faculty, staff, and students who are now utilizing 00:22:24.450 --> 00:22:26.039 the train and the bus to go 00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:29.779 directly to the final destination instead of having to come 00:22:29.779 --> 00:22:31.480 to campus and transfer. 00:22:31.480 --> 00:22:35.609 I think there's a lot of partnerships that we're looking at 00:22:35.609 --> 00:22:37.559 above and beyond just internal 00:22:37.559 --> 00:22:38.559 to campus. 00:22:38.559 --> 00:22:42.559 I think that partnership with the city is important for us. 00:22:42.559 --> 00:22:45.490 As Preeten mentioned, we were here last year looking at 00:22:45.490 --> 00:22:46.200 Central. 00:22:46.200 --> 00:22:48.640 I think that has worked out real well. 00:22:48.640 --> 00:22:53.930 So I think from a departmental level, we're certainly 00:22:53.930 --> 00:22:55.599 working well. 00:22:55.599 --> 00:22:56.599 They know who we are. 00:22:56.599 --> 00:22:57.599 We know who they are. 00:22:57.599 --> 00:23:01.720 We communicate frequently. 00:23:01.720 --> 00:23:05.880 On the overall big picture, we have quarterly meetings with 00:23:05.880 --> 00:23:07.519 the UNT management. 00:23:07.519 --> 00:23:10.319 As part of that, over the last year or so, we've 00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:13.079 coordinated with them to better understand 00:23:13.079 --> 00:23:17.309 the campus master plan for their facilities as well as the 00:23:17.309 --> 00:23:19.759 overall transportation plan. 00:23:19.759 --> 00:23:22.970 A lot of the elements within the transportation plan are 00:23:22.970 --> 00:23:25.279 more focused and geared toward moving 00:23:25.279 --> 00:23:29.490 people, pedestrian and bike access, and getting cars out of 00:23:29.490 --> 00:23:31.599 the campus area and situating 00:23:31.599 --> 00:23:34.440 them in parking lots that are on the fringe. 00:23:34.440 --> 00:23:38.589 So we're looking at some options of closing some of the 00:23:38.589 --> 00:23:40.000 streets also. 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:43.710 Once we get through the study, we'll bring it to the 00:23:43.710 --> 00:23:45.960 commission and discuss it. 00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:50.130 But we're going through a joint study effort where both UNT 00:23:50.130 --> 00:23:52.160 and city are participating 00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:56.000 in getting it actively complete. 00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:57.000 I've seen some... 00:23:57.000 --> 00:23:58.000 Oh, I'm sorry. 00:23:58.000 --> 00:23:59.000 I just wanted to follow up on that. 00:23:59.000 --> 00:24:01.599 DCTA, I know they're free until January. 00:24:01.599 --> 00:24:02.599 That was the deal. 00:24:02.599 --> 00:24:03.599 So what happens in January? 00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:04.599 Does it go to that... 00:24:04.599 --> 00:24:06.319 I've been a little confused about the pricing. 00:24:06.319 --> 00:24:08.509 I thought I understood it and then it's been a little 00:24:08.509 --> 00:24:10.279 confusing about it because previously 00:24:10.279 --> 00:24:13.009 there was a two hour option and that could get you into 00:24:13.009 --> 00:24:14.440 Dallas places if you're going 00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:16.480 one way pretty well. 00:24:16.480 --> 00:24:18.779 And I thought it was gone, but then I saw it back on the 00:24:18.779 --> 00:24:20.279 app and so I'm a little confused 00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:21.599 because that makes a big difference. 00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:24.380 If you have to pay for the full day, it's like 12 bucks now 00:24:24.380 --> 00:24:25.599 , whereas I could get to 00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:27.240 Dallas previously for five. 00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:29.200 So I was trying to figure that out. 00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:34.519 So I can't speak to the interlocals between the fare zones. 00:24:34.519 --> 00:24:39.779 I can't tell you that the UNT student ID card will get you 00:24:39.779 --> 00:24:43.000 on any DCTA service with showing 00:24:43.000 --> 00:24:47.200 that card through the fee arrangement that we have with DC 00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:47.720 TA. 00:24:47.720 --> 00:24:50.240 Once you get into DART or into the Fort Worth area, then 00:24:50.240 --> 00:24:51.839 you've got to pay the respective 00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:56.400 fare there unless you buy a regional pass. 00:24:56.400 --> 00:25:00.529 And my understanding is it's better to buy it here locally 00:25:00.529 --> 00:25:02.480 and then use that all over. 00:25:02.480 --> 00:25:07.509 So it's not the seamless that we'd like to see, but I think 00:25:07.509 --> 00:25:09.400 it's a step in the right 00:25:09.400 --> 00:25:10.400 way. 00:25:10.400 --> 00:25:13.990 What happens after January I think will determine what 00:25:13.990 --> 00:25:16.720 happens with ridership and that through 00:25:16.720 --> 00:25:19.960 the promotion. 00:25:19.960 --> 00:25:25.509 I noticed your signs on the freeway directing people that 00:25:25.509 --> 00:25:28.319 they could park at Med Park. 00:25:28.319 --> 00:25:31.559 So I thought that's the first year I've seen that. 00:25:31.559 --> 00:25:34.390 And I thought that was a really good idea for people who 00:25:34.390 --> 00:25:36.039 are sitting there, you know, 00:25:36.039 --> 00:25:37.039 stuck in traffic. 00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:38.039 Well, thank you. 00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:41.319 That's actually the second year we've done this. 00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:44.079 The idea was to give people kind of a heads up before they 00:25:44.079 --> 00:25:45.559 everybody has an idea where 00:25:45.559 --> 00:25:49.690 they want to go park, but they don't have a plan B. And so 00:25:49.690 --> 00:25:51.119 the signs on the road were 00:25:51.119 --> 00:25:54.079 a way to just say, hey, go here. 00:25:54.079 --> 00:25:59.839 And folks, it's interesting to watch people's habits, 00:25:59.839 --> 00:26:03.519 especially when we have what is more 00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:04.640 remote. 00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:08.240 I can park you remotely and get you to class faster than if 00:26:08.240 --> 00:26:09.240 you want to. 00:26:09.240 --> 00:26:12.720 Some people just want to circle a lot just to circle. 00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:15.849 And it was just an attempt to kind of help raise some 00:26:15.849 --> 00:26:16.799 awareness. 00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:20.099 Go here, go there instead of where you think you were going 00:26:20.099 --> 00:26:21.960 to say these lots were full. 00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:23.839 So you know, did it help? 00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:26.759 I don't know if it helped one person, then it helped. 00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:30.049 But at least the awareness is there to hit him before they 00:26:30.049 --> 00:26:31.599 get into town. 00:26:31.599 --> 00:26:32.599 Yeah. 00:26:32.599 --> 00:26:35.839 And the Textile Project helped it. 00:26:35.839 --> 00:26:36.839 Yeah. 00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:37.839 Yeah. 00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:38.839 Yeah. 00:26:38.839 --> 00:26:39.839 You did. 00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:42.579 And you know, this is the second year we've done the 00:26:42.579 --> 00:26:44.319 promotion with DCTA at Med Park. 00:26:44.319 --> 00:26:47.279 And we appreciate that partnership where folks that works 00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:49.000 for them, they can go there, park, 00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:51.119 go to they don't have to buy a permit. 00:26:51.119 --> 00:26:53.880 When I took classes at UNT, I did not fund the department. 00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:55.799 I did free parking on Oak and Hickory. 00:26:55.799 --> 00:26:56.799 It worked for me. 00:26:56.799 --> 00:26:58.599 I never got tickets either. 00:26:58.599 --> 00:27:03.329 But, but, you know, just giving people options that that 00:27:03.329 --> 00:27:05.559 really meet their needs. 00:27:05.559 --> 00:27:08.349 And a lot has changed, especially if you've seen in the 00:27:08.349 --> 00:27:10.400 last few years with online education, 00:27:10.400 --> 00:27:12.599 a lot of people are coming to campus less frequently. 00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:15.039 Therefore, they don't see the value in a permit. 00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:18.140 So that's why we do the park mobiles and some of the other 00:27:18.140 --> 00:27:20.079 options for hourly parking, that 00:27:20.079 --> 00:27:22.480 if you're there, you know, a handful of times during the 00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:24.119 semester, that's probably the best 00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:25.599 value for you. 00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:28.529 Unfortunately, as an auxiliary unit of the university, you 00:27:28.529 --> 00:27:29.759 know, we have to we have to 00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:32.839 raise our own funds to provide for the services. 00:27:32.839 --> 00:27:35.559 We're not funded through any tuition or fees. 00:27:35.559 --> 00:27:39.369 So so we have to we have to fight for that crazy dollar to 00:27:39.369 --> 00:27:41.359 to provide the resources that 00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:42.359 people want. 00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:43.359 So 00:27:43.359 --> 00:27:46.779 one more question is there going to be on street handic 00:27:46.779 --> 00:27:49.880 apped parking for the by the admin building? 00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:53.079 There will be parking in the building or in the lot. 00:27:53.079 --> 00:27:56.440 Yeah, there'll be accessible parking in the lot. 00:27:56.440 --> 00:27:58.519 But nothing on street. 00:27:58.519 --> 00:28:00.680 Not unless it's required or called for. 00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:03.960 So I don't have I don't have too much accessible parking. 00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:07.720 It's all in the lots is where that's at. 00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:13.119 So I haven't seen a need yet on campus that we haven't been 00:28:13.119 --> 00:28:16.119 able to meet in a lot. 00:28:16.119 --> 00:28:19.059 So and that's both kinds of parking, both just the 00:28:19.059 --> 00:28:21.359 accessible and the van accessible. 00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:26.240 So and we have we work we have an office of disability that 00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:28.440 guides us and telling us, 00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:30.440 you know, where we need to provide and do that. 00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:33.720 So between those two partnerships with the city and with 00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:35.119 them, we look to provide those 00:28:35.119 --> 00:28:36.119 those resources. 00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:37.119 Thank you. 00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:38.119 Yes, sir. 00:28:38.119 --> 00:28:39.119 You ready for a motion? 00:28:39.119 --> 00:28:40.119 Thank you. 00:28:40.119 --> 00:28:41.119 Thank you. 00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:42.119 Is there any other discussion? 00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:48.119 Everybody happy with questions and the answers? 00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:49.119 OK. 00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:56.769 I'll make a motion that we accept the staff recommendation 00:28:56.769 --> 00:28:59.640 and pass this test. 00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:03.000 You know, 31. 00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:10.680 OK, we have a motion to recommend to we have a second. 00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:15.250 OK, and we'll vote everyone who is in favor of accepting 00:29:15.250 --> 00:29:17.920 this recommendation moving it 00:29:17.920 --> 00:29:18.920 forward. 00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:19.920 They I. 00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:20.920 I. 00:29:20.920 --> 00:29:21.920 Anyone opposed? 00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:22.920 OK, unanimous. 00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:23.920 Just for the minutes, I can't vote. 00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:24.920 OK, I wasn't sworn in. 00:29:24.920 --> 00:29:25.920 All right. 00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:26.920 No voting from you. 00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:27.920 All right. 00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:28.920 Me too. 00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:29.920 Oh, OK. 00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:30.920 Thank you. 00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:31.920 There's four of us. 00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:40.920 Yes. 00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:54.480 OK, that brings us to item one C, which is TSC 18-032. 00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:57.220 Receive a report, hold a discussion and make a 00:29:57.220 --> 00:29:59.240 recommendation to city council for approval 00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:03.119 of an interlocal agreement with University of North Texas 00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:05.640 regarding traffic signal operation 00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:09.769 during UNT special events and upgrading traffic signal 00:30:09.769 --> 00:30:12.720 equipment at four intersections within 00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:14.880 the city of Denton. 00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:16.559 All right. 00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:20.250 Again, starting up with maps and these are the four 00:30:20.250 --> 00:30:22.920 locations mentioned, but a little 00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:23.920 bit of background. 00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:27.019 As I mentioned and alluded to in the previous item, we 00:30:27.019 --> 00:30:29.160 started coordinating real closely 00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:33.500 with UNT staff and upper management a little over a year 00:30:33.500 --> 00:30:34.119 ago. 00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:36.960 I think it was May 2017. 00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:40.769 And through some of those discussions, we really understood 00:30:40.769 --> 00:30:42.759 or we were trying to understand 00:30:42.759 --> 00:30:47.460 the needs for the campus as well as our master plan and the 00:30:47.460 --> 00:30:50.119 city's infrastructure within 00:30:50.119 --> 00:30:51.839 this area. 00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:57.059 And what we found out that there was a request from the 00:30:57.059 --> 00:31:00.359 police department at UNT to help 00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:04.720 them operate some of these signals during special events. 00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:09.740 Currently, they have police officers manning North Texas 00:31:09.740 --> 00:31:13.039 Boulevard at 35E as well as Bonnie 00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:17.400 Bray at 35E Furnage Roads. 00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:20.519 You have seen in the last couple of years, I think that it 00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:22.160 has grown from being a small 00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:26.299 puny intersection at North Texas to this huge giant four 00:31:26.299 --> 00:31:28.720 lane in each side, but then six 00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:30.960 lane on the bridge. 00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:33.559 And it becomes quite a task for officers. 00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:36.559 The number of officers requires pretty high. 00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:39.720 And talk a little bit of events. 00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:46.440 They currently have UNT hosts between 40 to 50 events a 00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:47.400 year. 00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:51.660 These are the larger kinds, about 27 high school gradu 00:31:51.660 --> 00:31:52.920 ations in May. 00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:57.569 Then we're talking about 20 UNT, half of them in May, half 00:31:57.569 --> 00:31:59.299 of them in December. 00:31:59.299 --> 00:32:01.359 Six football games, those are huge. 00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:04.099 There might be more if they get into some kind of 00:32:04.099 --> 00:32:04.720 competition. 00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:08.420 And then about five high school games, up to five high 00:32:08.420 --> 00:32:10.240 school games in a year. 00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:11.839 And one dent and fire show. 00:32:11.839 --> 00:32:14.440 I mean, that's a big event too. 00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:18.569 So with all these events happening every year, they 00:32:18.569 --> 00:32:21.599 approach the city and request, what's 00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:22.960 an alternative? 00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:24.200 What can we do? 00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:28.640 How can we get officers off of these intersections, 00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:31.259 especially dealing events? 00:32:31.259 --> 00:32:33.079 And how can we better manage it? 00:32:33.079 --> 00:32:38.000 And part of the solution that was agreed upon is city would 00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:40.319 jump in and help or provide 00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:43.920 staff help during the event. 00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:47.140 So when we started reviewing what the conditions of the 00:32:47.140 --> 00:32:49.599 signals were, we required some upgrades 00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:53.970 to actually be able to do that with a considerable less 00:32:53.970 --> 00:32:56.200 number of technicians. 00:32:56.200 --> 00:33:01.779 So we're requesting that this partnership between UNT and 00:33:01.779 --> 00:33:05.480 city upgrades these four intersections 00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:09.039 with cameras that we can watch the traffic with signal 00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:11.160 equipment that we can actually 00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:15.000 talk to remotely from a traffic management center and 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:17.559 change the signal timing, change 00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:19.039 the phasing. 00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:25.150 So part of the item here is to provide for partnering with 00:33:25.150 --> 00:33:28.480 UNT and upgrade the equipment 00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:29.940 of these signals. 00:33:29.940 --> 00:33:36.049 The second portion is whenever these events come up, city 00:33:36.049 --> 00:33:39.359 staff will be on an hourly basis 00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:42.799 start working at an agreed upon rate. 00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:46.930 There's a rate at the end of the agreement to man these 00:33:46.930 --> 00:33:47.599 events. 00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:51.019 So there will be one technician out in the street for these 00:33:51.019 --> 00:33:52.839 two intersections, one for 00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:56.109 this and then one technician up in a traffic management 00:33:56.109 --> 00:33:58.400 center where we can remotely control 00:33:58.400 --> 00:33:59.660 all of that. 00:33:59.660 --> 00:34:02.589 So there will be eyes on the ground initially as we try and 00:34:02.589 --> 00:34:04.099 figure out how these signals 00:34:04.099 --> 00:34:06.359 are functioning, how they're operating. 00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:09.559 And slowly once we get a hang and feel of it, we can go 00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:11.400 back more remotely with just 00:34:11.400 --> 00:34:15.840 the cameras zooming and tilting and then operating these 00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:17.360 signal timings. 00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:22.010 So primarily the operation needs to be operated when people 00:34:22.010 --> 00:34:25.199 are coming in, which is approximately 00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:29.329 half hour to 45 minutes before the event, a little bit of 00:34:29.329 --> 00:34:31.440 trickle after that, and then 00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:35.039 right after the event ends about half hour to an hour. 00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:39.920 So we're talking about that kind of time for every event. 00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:44.679 And financially it's much more feasible for UNT. 00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:48.900 They're spending a lot more officer hours out in the field, 00:34:48.900 --> 00:34:50.599 a lot more overtime. 00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:54.519 So when the discussions begin, we offer the solution. 00:34:54.519 --> 00:34:59.559 And Citi is on board helping UNT make it safer through the 00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:02.920 events and manage them better, 00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:05.639 manage the inflow and outflow of traffic. 00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:09.010 And that's why we have this agreement, interlocal agreement 00:35:09.010 --> 00:35:09.960 in front of us. 00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:14.090 And staff recommends that we move forward with it and 00:35:14.090 --> 00:35:16.280 execute the agreement so that 00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:21.829 it would get the special events traffic situation much more 00:35:21.829 --> 00:35:22.840 better. 00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:26.039 Any questions? 00:35:26.039 --> 00:35:29.920 Excuse me. 00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:35.679 There was something in the document that I was reading at 00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:39.440 home regarding a 30-day period 00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:42.679 of notice before cancellation. 00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:45.920 Where does the 30-day language come from? 00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:46.920 I read everything. 00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:47.920 I'm sorry. 00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:50.440 That's a good question. 00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:53.239 I think the language, let me actually get to the language, 00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:54.440 but I think the language 00:35:54.440 --> 00:35:59.769 was related to if we decide to go this path and if we 00:35:59.769 --> 00:36:03.599 upgrade the equipment, and there 00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:08.489 was a 90-day clause in here, if we upgrade the equipment 00:36:08.489 --> 00:36:11.199 and within 90 days, if UNT does 00:36:11.199 --> 00:36:15.090 not pay their share of the cost, which is 50% of upgrades, 00:36:15.090 --> 00:36:17.119 then this agreement is invalid 00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:20.550 because then we won't move forward with having to help them 00:36:20.550 --> 00:36:22.360 because at that point, we went 00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:26.050 ahead and spent the money as a city, but we're not getting 00:36:26.050 --> 00:36:27.360 reimbursement. 00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:32.630 It's a way to make sure that our time and investment is, 00:36:32.630 --> 00:36:35.559 the agreement is followed. 00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:39.679 I think we want a 50-50 partnership. 00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:42.639 It's just a better legal way to look at it. 00:36:42.639 --> 00:36:43.639 Right? 00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:46.639 Can you just make a comment? 00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:47.639 Yes, absolutely. 00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:51.340 Yeah, I think it's a very important issue, especially since 00:36:51.340 --> 00:36:53.039 North Texas continue to win 00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:54.039 football games. 00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:55.039 I agree. 00:36:55.039 --> 00:37:01.519 I also like to make a comment. 00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:06.519 I drove Eagle Point, which is the shuttle between the Union 00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:08.639 and Apogee Stadium on the 00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:13.519 first game with 30,000 people. 00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:15.639 We had the backup on the bridge. 00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:17.599 We had the backup in the north and south. 00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:19.920 It was horrible. 00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:22.920 So this is going to help. 00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:27.079 Any other questions for pre-tem? 00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:29.079 Any comments? 00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:33.719 Does anybody want to make a motion? 00:37:33.719 --> 00:37:35.719 We accept it. 00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:36.719 Second. 00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:37.719 Okay. 00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:41.800 We have a motion to accept, to approve this. 00:37:41.800 --> 00:37:43.599 We have a second. 00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:45.599 And do we have a vote? 00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:47.599 Everyone in favor? 00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:48.599 Aye. 00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:49.599 Okay. 00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:50.599 That's all of us. 00:37:50.599 --> 00:37:51.599 All right. 00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:54.079 Okay. 00:37:54.079 --> 00:38:00.599 That brings us to item 1D, which is TSC 18-033, which is to 00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:04.239 receive a report, hold discussion, 00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:08.369 and make a recommendation to City Council for restricting 00:38:08.369 --> 00:38:10.159 eastbound right turn on Red 00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:16.039 on Robinson Road at FM 2499 in order to improve safety. 00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:17.920 All right. 00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:22.159 So again, back to the map, and this is where we're at. 00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:26.320 Brand new road, 2499, just wrapping up construction. 00:38:26.320 --> 00:38:30.760 This was the last piece that was installed, a brand new 00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:33.239 traffic signal at Robinson in 00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:34.519 2499. 00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:38.789 When this road was designed, it was designed within 00:38:38.789 --> 00:38:42.239 residential neighborhoods, and I think 00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:45.170 the way it was laid out was pretty restrained as to what 00:38:45.170 --> 00:38:46.800 kind of right of way they would 00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:48.599 get. 00:38:48.599 --> 00:38:53.469 Fairly has its share of number of horizontal and vertical 00:38:53.469 --> 00:38:55.760 curves given the grades. 00:38:55.760 --> 00:39:01.630 So there are certain segments within the street that has 00:39:01.630 --> 00:39:05.480 huge, you can see here, huge sound 00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:09.610 walls, especially for someone's backyard backing into the 00:39:09.610 --> 00:39:12.079 street with that kind of expected 00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:16.519 traffic volumes, text-on design sound walls for everyone, 00:39:16.519 --> 00:39:18.480 and I think it's up and down 00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:19.480 the corridor. 00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:23.019 If you actually drive the corridor, it goes all the way 00:39:23.019 --> 00:39:26.079 south up until it reaches FM 2181. 00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:30.449 And what has resulted in the restricted area for them to 00:39:30.449 --> 00:39:33.599 design and implement this particular 00:39:33.599 --> 00:39:37.280 arterial is the limited amount of side distance that is 00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:40.199 available at some of the intersections. 00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:45.070 I think Robinson Road is one of them, but there's another 00:39:45.070 --> 00:39:47.400 one at Hickory Creek, and 00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:50.969 Text-Dot, the city has worked with Text-Dot to temporarily 00:39:50.969 --> 00:39:52.599 block the right lane so that 00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:56.289 people can actually make the right out of Hickory Creek 00:39:56.289 --> 00:39:56.920 Road. 00:39:56.920 --> 00:40:01.469 But this is a similar situation, and I have some pictures 00:40:01.469 --> 00:40:03.840 that Sarah took while she was 00:40:03.840 --> 00:40:10.480 out there, and if only I can open it. 00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:13.300 And this will help you understand what I'm talking about as 00:40:13.300 --> 00:40:14.440 far as if you are at the 00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:18.960 stop bar, and she's even past that crossing area for 00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:22.559 pedestrians, you can barely see that. 00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:25.349 This is the car in the last lane, which is the first 00:40:25.349 --> 00:40:27.159 vehicle that's going to show up 00:40:27.159 --> 00:40:34.719 when you move in, and it's barely 100, 150 feet at 50 miles 00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:37.039 an hour, this is not a good 00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:38.239 enough side distance. 00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:41.329 You can see way back there, but that doesn't help who's 00:40:41.329 --> 00:40:43.039 hiding behind this curve. 00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:46.619 And you have to almost, let me show you another one, you 00:40:46.619 --> 00:40:48.840 have, so this is where the actual 00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:49.840 line is. 00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:54.280 So if you stand back and not even scoot over and cringe 00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:57.360 over, this is what you're seeing. 00:40:57.360 --> 00:41:00.039 And this becomes a hazard. 00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:04.909 I have received multiple complaints even, I think, from one 00:41:04.909 --> 00:41:07.440 of our police department officers. 00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:10.920 He was afraid for his daughter to make these turns. 00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:15.900 And I was out there, we've talked to Text-Dot, and the 00:41:15.900 --> 00:41:19.280 immediate fix at this point, since 00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:23.780 this is private property, retaining wall, sound wall, 00:41:23.780 --> 00:41:26.599 pretty expensive affair, the best 00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:31.119 thing is to just have not people turn on red. 00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:34.639 And the signal circles pretty fast, so if it doesn't pick 00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:37.000 up traffic on FM 2499, it'll 00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:38.719 circle back to Robinson. 00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:43.159 So it's not a big weight behind anyone that really wants to 00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:45.920 make that right turn movement. 00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:49.500 That's why for all these reasons that you really don't have 00:41:49.500 --> 00:41:51.639 the line of sight to make a safe 00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:56.110 call to get, to turn right from the eastbound direction 00:41:56.110 --> 00:41:59.360 onto southbound on FM 2499. 00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:05.280 So staff recommends that we restrict this movement during 00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:07.880 the red phase on Robinson 00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:10.039 so that people are not really slipping in. 00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:14.159 When they have green, they can definitely move forward. 00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:15.159 Any questions? 00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:19.480 What's the speed limit on Robinson? 00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:21.800 I believe Robinson is pretty low. 00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:26.239 It is in the 30 or 35, one of those, because it goes from a 00:42:26.239 --> 00:42:28.199 two lane, just opens up here 00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:29.199 and then... 00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:30.199 Okay. 00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:32.119 So it is in the 30, 35 range. 00:42:32.119 --> 00:42:33.119 It's not even 40. 00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:34.119 Okay. 00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:37.280 And then what's the speed limit on 2499? 00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:38.920 Text-Dot is still deciding that. 00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:39.920 Oh, okay. 00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:43.539 They conducted some surveys and they have initial data. 00:42:43.539 --> 00:42:46.469 It's around the 45 range, but we're reviewing and going 00:42:46.469 --> 00:42:47.840 back and forth with tech. 00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:52.570 Given the terrain and the horizontal vertical curves, we 00:42:52.570 --> 00:42:55.039 wanted to make sure that we put 00:42:55.039 --> 00:42:57.000 a place to write speed limit. 00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:03.679 They want 50. 00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:07.400 How long has that sound wall been there? 00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:08.400 A few months. 00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:09.400 Oh, okay. 00:43:09.400 --> 00:43:13.530 Yeah, I think December is when they wrapped up most of the 00:43:13.530 --> 00:43:14.679 construction. 00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:17.760 I believe in the last year or so, the sound wall was... 00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:23.320 You can see, this is probably 2018 Google data. 00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:28.079 It's still under construction, so earlier this year. 00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:33.409 Do we have any development code guidelines for how tall 00:43:33.409 --> 00:43:36.280 sound walls can be in the city 00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:37.280 of Denton? 00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:40.679 I mean, will this get to be a problem in other 00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:44.679 neighborhoods that we can avert it now before? 00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:45.800 Correct. 00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:49.929 We are going through, as we mentioned a little bit earlier, 00:43:49.929 --> 00:43:51.960 growing pains in the city. 00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:56.110 That means currently, our arterials are not backed up to 00:43:56.110 --> 00:43:58.280 someone's neighborhood. 00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:01.739 We're not designing our tills after the fact, but sound 00:44:01.739 --> 00:44:04.199 wall is something that has definitely 00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:07.440 been brought up by some of the council members. 00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:10.179 As our projects move forward, we're coming with designs, 00:44:10.179 --> 00:44:11.559 but definitely we'll look at 00:44:11.559 --> 00:44:13.559 corner side distance on some of them. 00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:14.559 You're right. 00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:17.809 I mean, moving forward, we need to have some kind of design 00:44:17.809 --> 00:44:19.400 guidance on that, but this 00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:21.920 is a textile facility. 00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:23.239 Right. 00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:24.480 Yeah. 00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:29.599 Sometimes, if there will be a need for sound walls, we may 00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:32.320 need a bigger easement so they 00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:33.320 set back. 00:44:33.320 --> 00:44:34.320 We have some clips set backs. 00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:35.320 Yeah. 00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:39.650 Did there have been a number of accidents at this 00:44:39.650 --> 00:44:41.360 intersection? 00:44:41.360 --> 00:44:44.599 I can find that number out, but to my knowledge, there have 00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:46.320 not been that many because the 00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:49.760 signal was not opened until recently. 00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:51.039 It was always stopped. 00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:54.320 That means everyone really had to come to a complete stop. 00:44:54.320 --> 00:44:55.320 That was a good thing. 00:44:55.320 --> 00:44:59.449 The minute the signal opened, we started noticing and we 00:44:59.449 --> 00:45:01.920 started getting the complaints that 00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:05.309 we might and visibility is not, so we're trying to act as 00:45:05.309 --> 00:45:07.159 fast as we can and get it ahead 00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:12.440 of anything happening here that's serious. 00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:14.710 If it's recommended, we'll move forward with the council 00:45:14.710 --> 00:45:16.039 and then immediately implement 00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:17.039 it. 00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:22.039 It is four lane at that point? 00:45:22.039 --> 00:45:23.039 Two going? 00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:24.039 Correct. 00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:25.039 Robinson is four lane. 00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:26.039 Okay. 00:45:26.039 --> 00:45:27.039 Anybody have questions? 00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:32.039 Concerns? comments? 00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:39.039 I'll make a motion to recommend the staff recommendation. 00:45:39.039 --> 00:45:40.039 Okay. 00:45:40.039 --> 00:45:45.039 We have a motion for approval. 00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:48.039 We have a second and do we have a vote? 00:45:48.039 --> 00:45:50.039 Everyone in favor? 00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:51.039 Yes. 00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:52.039 Okay. 00:45:52.039 --> 00:45:54.039 Once again, moving forward. 00:45:54.039 --> 00:46:00.599 That is going to bring us to one E, TSC 18-034, receive a 00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:04.199 report, hold a discussion and make 00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:07.300 a recommendation to city council for approval of an 00:46:07.300 --> 00:46:09.760 amendment for surface transportation 00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:13.539 system project agreement for traffic signals, state 00:46:13.539 --> 00:46:16.239 contracted and with the municipality 00:46:16.239 --> 00:46:21.789 providing limited materials and or labor and or equipment 00:46:21.789 --> 00:46:25.039 at the intersection of I-35E 00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:28.119 and Brinker Road. 00:46:28.119 --> 00:46:31.590 We specifically worded to make it difficult so that by the 00:46:31.590 --> 00:46:33.519 time we get there, like, all 00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:34.800 right, we're done. 00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:40.139 On this project, this is a, I wouldn't say it's an after 00:46:40.139 --> 00:46:43.199 thought, but it's definitely 00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:45.760 something has happened to put it that way. 00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:52.440 I-35E project went in with a widening project without 00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:56.920 really having Brinker Road underpass 00:46:56.920 --> 00:46:59.960 as part of their original project. 00:46:59.960 --> 00:47:02.010 It was just have to do with the timing where this 00:47:02.010 --> 00:47:03.880 particular development, which is the 00:47:03.880 --> 00:47:08.750 Buc-E's, they came in slightly behind when I-35 widening 00:47:08.750 --> 00:47:10.639 was already underway. 00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:14.380 Once they came in, TechStop felt the need that we need to 00:47:14.380 --> 00:47:16.079 do something about it. 00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:19.179 If that connection is going to happen, then we have to look 00:47:19.179 --> 00:47:20.639 at this connection as well 00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:25.119 as down here if we need some improvements. 00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:28.050 That was a second project that came about to existence, 00:47:28.050 --> 00:47:30.239 which is currently under construction. 00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:33.079 AGL wrapped up the big I-35 project. 00:47:33.079 --> 00:47:36.500 They left town, but we never saw anyone leave because this 00:47:36.500 --> 00:47:38.199 project was still going on or 00:47:38.199 --> 00:47:41.119 picked up even before AGL left. 00:47:41.119 --> 00:47:45.989 This is a TechStop project, second project, that comprises 00:47:45.989 --> 00:47:49.280 of Loop 288 interchange upgrade, 00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:53.570 which they're actually pretty close to putting the bridge 00:47:53.570 --> 00:47:55.039 down on one side. 00:47:55.039 --> 00:47:59.039 Brinker interchange, which will connect Brinker underpass. 00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:01.559 The freeway will go over. 00:48:01.559 --> 00:48:06.750 The last one would be a U-turn at Mayhill, which they've 00:48:06.750 --> 00:48:09.679 already installed the U-turn, 00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:12.400 Texas U under the bridge. 00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:16.190 What had happened is in that particular project, they 00:48:16.190 --> 00:48:19.440 designed Brinker at the Furnage Road as 00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:22.199 a always stop sign. 00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:25.840 City had to go back, fight it for a little while. 00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:30.000 Then finally everyone realized it's not going to work. 00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:33.099 They went into design at a later phase while this project 00:48:33.099 --> 00:48:35.199 had already begun construction. 00:48:35.199 --> 00:48:38.579 Now they're coming back and saying, "Okay, we'll install 00:48:38.579 --> 00:48:39.360 signals." 00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:42.309 That's why they need this amendment to add the signal 00:48:42.309 --> 00:48:44.480 equipment that the city will provide 00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:45.599 TechStop. 00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:48.980 We have some specific equipment that the city recommends in 00:48:48.980 --> 00:48:50.960 order to connect and communicate 00:48:50.960 --> 00:48:53.199 with different signals. 00:48:53.199 --> 00:48:56.579 That's the equipment that we will provide, and TechStop 00:48:56.579 --> 00:48:58.599 will reimburse for those pieces 00:48:58.599 --> 00:48:59.599 of equipment. 00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:04.769 That's the amendment that was attached to signal 00:49:04.769 --> 00:49:08.639 improvements at Loop 288. 00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:11.920 Staff recommends that we move forward with this and accept 00:49:11.920 --> 00:49:13.719 it so that we can get reimbursed 00:49:13.719 --> 00:49:18.480 for the equipment that we're putting in by TechStop. 00:49:18.480 --> 00:49:20.480 Any questions? 00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:21.480 Yeah. 00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:23.480 Excuse me. 00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:29.880 I'm curious, what kind of light setup is it going to be? 00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:33.349 Is it going to be exactly like you would have the Lily 00:49:33.349 --> 00:49:35.800 Miller crossing or back down on Mayhill 00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:39.670 as far as it going underneath the highway so you're going 00:49:39.670 --> 00:49:41.000 to have lights? 00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:42.000 Correct. 00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:47.690 It would be the same setup as Loop 288, which will have two 00:49:47.690 --> 00:49:50.320 lanes in each direction going 00:49:50.320 --> 00:49:55.190 under the pass and then left turn lanes in either direction 00:49:55.190 --> 00:49:55.440 . 00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:58.440 Both of them will be signalized at the southbound furniture 00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:00.519 as well as the northbound furniture. 00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:05.409 They'll coordinate the same way the loop signal coordinates 00:50:05.409 --> 00:50:07.480 the different phases. 00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:10.320 That is also the main entrance to Buc-E's. 00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:14.170 I think you can actually see that now when you pass by, you 00:50:14.170 --> 00:50:16.119 can see they've already laid 00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:17.320 out the entrance here. 00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:19.199 It doesn't show up here. 00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:22.320 So the lane entrance is literally at a light? 00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:30.880 Literally this is a cross and this becomes their main 00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:35.039 entrance for Buc-E's. 00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:38.039 Do they have multiple exits from Buc-E's? 00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:41.420 They do have access here, back here, and then they have 00:50:41.420 --> 00:50:42.639 another access. 00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:45.320 I think it's right there. 00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:52.460 They have one access back here, but this is the main signal 00:50:52.460 --> 00:50:56.199 ized entrance for Buc-E's. 00:50:56.199 --> 00:50:58.199 So you get funneled right in? 00:50:58.199 --> 00:51:03.360 That's the idea. 00:51:03.360 --> 00:51:10.639 Instead of percolating back here or other places. 00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:13.559 How many pumps are Buc-E's putting in? 00:51:13.559 --> 00:51:16.840 I'm not aware of the number of pumps. 00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:18.639 Probably between 75 and 100. 00:51:18.639 --> 00:51:19.639 Typically there are 75. 00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:30.840 The one in Austin is about 75. 00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:34.969 So Chell's recommendation, but I mean how do you, I mean I 00:51:34.969 --> 00:51:36.519 guess obviously I wasn't 00:51:36.519 --> 00:51:40.409 here for planning and zoning or whenever that was happening 00:51:40.409 --> 00:51:40.699 . 00:51:40.699 --> 00:51:45.409 With the traffic studies that Buc-E's gonna change, how do 00:51:45.409 --> 00:51:47.960 you think that that will affect 00:51:47.960 --> 00:51:51.800 say the flow to Lillian Miller with all the Buc-E's traffic 00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:53.480 that is gonna be sitting 00:51:53.480 --> 00:51:55.599 right out in front of it? 00:51:55.599 --> 00:52:01.000 So Buc-E's traffic is primarily. 00:52:01.000 --> 00:52:03.519 I'm sorry, not to Lillian Miller, but down to State Hill 00:52:03.519 --> 00:52:04.800 School because that's a one-way 00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:08.280 road there. 00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:12.079 Here at Mayhill and State Hill. 00:52:12.079 --> 00:52:17.769 So Buc-E's traffic is primarily going to affect this exit 00:52:17.769 --> 00:52:21.559 ramp, get on, do their Buc-E's, 00:52:21.559 --> 00:52:26.360 do the Buc-E's thing and then get on back here. 00:52:26.360 --> 00:52:33.079 Anyone that really wants to go north, they have an access 00:52:33.079 --> 00:52:34.719 ramp here. 00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:37.809 And then anyone that wants to get onto Buc-E's has an 00:52:37.809 --> 00:52:39.079 access ramp here. 00:52:39.079 --> 00:52:44.199 So it is fairly localized in this area, but big picture 00:52:44.199 --> 00:52:47.320 impacts, there will be impacts 00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:51.329 because of this interchange being in place at the same time 00:52:51.329 --> 00:52:52.760 Buc-E's going in. 00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:57.409 And the city is looking at a long-term projection and 00:52:57.409 --> 00:53:02.000 looking at 20, 25 years in the future. 00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:04.179 What are the implications? 00:53:04.179 --> 00:53:07.280 And we have a traffic study conducted. 00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:10.900 We're still not out with the results as far as what are the 00:53:10.900 --> 00:53:12.159 implications. 00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:14.000 We submitted the text offer. 00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:16.739 We need them on board and once they're on board, there 00:53:16.739 --> 00:53:18.780 might be some other more improvements 00:53:18.780 --> 00:53:21.239 needed. 00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:24.610 And part of that study clearly shows that a lot of this 00:53:24.610 --> 00:53:26.519 traffic that's waiting here 00:53:26.519 --> 00:53:32.679 may start using this as an alternative route to get to the 00:53:32.679 --> 00:53:36.159 interchange in the freeway. 00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:38.429 That's just my biggest concern of how they might just 00:53:38.429 --> 00:53:39.840 change the traffic flow because 00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:41.829 you already have the route that you just said, the 00:53:41.829 --> 00:53:44.239 alternative route that they might take. 00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:46.039 That's already backed up. 00:53:46.039 --> 00:53:48.679 They're already backed up right in front of Buc-E's. 00:53:48.679 --> 00:53:51.760 They're already backed up at State School on both sides. 00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:55.889 And so if it's going to increase it even more, it just 00:53:55.889 --> 00:53:58.159 doesn't seem like a viable thing to 00:53:58.159 --> 00:54:04.360 do if we're trying to make traffic flow better. 00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:09.579 I think the actual lane capacities on the 35E, once the 00:54:09.579 --> 00:54:12.480 freeway really opens up to three 00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:15.989 lanes, which is what it was intended to, but it didn't 00:54:15.989 --> 00:54:18.219 really go all the way to three lanes 00:54:18.219 --> 00:54:21.599 in each direction just because this project was coming 00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:23.719 behind and it would have disrupted 00:54:23.719 --> 00:54:24.719 everything. 00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:29.400 So the contract for this particular segment to be from May 00:54:29.400 --> 00:54:32.239 hill all the way to Loop 288, 00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:35.619 just north of Loop 288, that segment was never upgraded to 00:54:35.619 --> 00:54:37.360 three lanes in each direction. 00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:40.389 It was always kept two lanes because the amount of 00:54:40.389 --> 00:54:43.239 disruption, the new interchange here, the 00:54:43.239 --> 00:54:45.619 fill and level change. 00:54:45.619 --> 00:54:48.550 So once the freeway is back to three lanes in each 00:54:48.550 --> 00:54:50.719 direction and the connections are 00:54:50.719 --> 00:54:54.909 appropriate, I think it'll be much more better than what 00:54:54.909 --> 00:54:56.199 you see today. 00:54:56.199 --> 00:54:58.940 It's pretty backed up because of the two lanes and the 00:54:58.940 --> 00:55:00.719 construction at the same time. 00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:07.179 Now, I was talking more specifically Mayhill and both sides 00:55:07.179 --> 00:55:09.519 of Lillian Millen. 00:55:09.519 --> 00:55:11.559 You're talking about these intersections? 00:55:11.559 --> 00:55:12.559 Yes. 00:55:12.559 --> 00:55:16.710 Just to give you an update, there's another TechStop 00:55:16.710 --> 00:55:19.880 project to update this interchange. 00:55:19.880 --> 00:55:23.280 It was never the part of I-35E project. 00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:26.159 This bridge width was never widened. 00:55:26.159 --> 00:55:30.630 So now they're going to, since they've completed 249.99 00:55:30.630 --> 00:55:33.119 coming in, and this is a wider segment 00:55:33.119 --> 00:55:34.639 with two lanes in each direction. 00:55:34.639 --> 00:55:38.769 They're thinking of widening this bridge, which is a choke 00:55:38.769 --> 00:55:40.360 point at this point. 00:55:40.360 --> 00:55:45.010 So that's a new project that is currently kicking off 00:55:45.010 --> 00:55:45.960 design. 00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:50.460 So in a couple of years, it should go to construction and 00:55:50.460 --> 00:55:51.960 should be done. 00:55:51.960 --> 00:56:03.360 Yeah, there are a lot more projects going on. 00:56:03.360 --> 00:56:04.360 Any other questions? 00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:05.360 Any questions, comments? 00:56:05.360 --> 00:56:12.360 All right, do we have a motion? 00:56:12.360 --> 00:56:17.360 Come on, Dan. 00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:28.360 I can't call it this week. 00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:29.360 Huh? 00:56:29.360 --> 00:56:30.360 I can't call it. 00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:31.360 Can I? 00:56:31.360 --> 00:56:32.360 Call the motion? 00:56:32.360 --> 00:56:33.360 Right, because I can't vote this week. 00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:36.360 So I guess you can't call the motion. 00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:42.519 I'll make a motion to approve the staff recommendation for 00:56:42.519 --> 00:56:45.360 TSC 18-034. 00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:50.360 Okay, we have a motion to approve. 00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:53.360 Do we have a second? 00:56:53.360 --> 00:56:56.360 I'll second, otherwise we're going to be in a mess. 00:56:56.360 --> 00:57:00.360 Okay, we have a second now for a vote. 00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:03.360 Do we have a second? 00:57:03.360 --> 00:57:07.360 Okay, so we have two votes to approve the amendment. 00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:08.360 Aye. 00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:09.360 Aye. 00:57:09.360 --> 00:57:10.360 And opposed. 00:57:10.360 --> 00:57:11.360 And a no vote. 00:57:11.360 --> 00:57:12.360 Okay. 00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:13.360 Wait, I'm sorry. 00:57:13.360 --> 00:57:14.360 Why are you not voting? 00:57:14.360 --> 00:57:15.360 Is that not an option? 00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:16.360 No, sir. 00:57:16.360 --> 00:57:17.360 Sorry, under the rules that council has promulgated, unless 00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:17.360 you actually have like a recusal because 00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:18.360 of conflict of interest or something. 00:57:18.360 --> 00:57:18.940 In my thought process on that was just I would like to have 00:57:18.940 --> 00:57:19.360 seen a lot more information regarding 00:57:19.360 --> 00:57:20.360 that. 00:57:20.360 --> 00:57:21.360 It's probably not good. 00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:27.559 It's here today, out of brand new, so I didn't have the 00:57:27.559 --> 00:57:30.360 chance to study it in the past. 00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:36.820 And so with that, I thought I might be able to abstain, but 00:57:36.820 --> 00:57:39.360 that's not an issue. 00:57:39.360 --> 00:57:44.360 I'll say nay, and it doesn't matter. 00:57:44.360 --> 00:57:45.360 Okay. 00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:47.360 So do you want us to revote? 00:57:47.360 --> 00:57:48.360 Do what? 00:57:48.360 --> 00:57:49.360 Do you want us to revote? 00:57:49.360 --> 00:57:51.360 To be official? 00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:56.360 If he's voting nay, then you have to vote three to one. 00:57:56.360 --> 00:57:57.360 Okay. 00:57:57.360 --> 00:57:58.360 Okay. 00:57:58.360 --> 00:57:59.360 Here we are. 00:57:59.360 --> 00:58:00.360 Okay. 00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:05.360 I'm going to leave early. 00:58:05.360 --> 00:58:06.360 Okay. 00:58:06.360 --> 00:58:11.360 Wait, did you say motion fails? 00:58:11.360 --> 00:58:19.360 Okay. 00:58:19.360 --> 00:58:26.360 Okay. 00:58:26.360 --> 00:58:29.849 That means we won't get reimbursed for $30,000 from Tech 00:58:29.849 --> 00:58:30.360 Stop. 00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:33.360 That's the bottom line implication of this. 00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:40.360 And we will spend the money, but we can go to council. 00:58:40.360 --> 00:58:46.360 You swear us here? 00:58:46.360 --> 00:58:49.360 Would you reconsider your vote? 00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:51.360 Because we're losing $30,000 from TechStop. 00:58:51.360 --> 00:58:54.360 Yeah, we won't be reimbursed for that $38,000. 00:58:54.360 --> 00:58:55.360 Yes. 00:58:55.360 --> 00:58:58.289 When you have it, when you're doing it, if I can reconsider 00:58:58.289 --> 00:58:59.360 my vote, I will because it 00:58:59.360 --> 00:59:00.360 doesn't matter. 00:59:00.360 --> 00:59:02.360 He didn't understand that implication of it. 00:59:02.360 --> 00:59:03.360 Okay. 00:59:03.360 --> 00:59:04.360 Yeah, I'm sorry, I did not hear that. 00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:05.360 Okay. 00:59:05.360 --> 00:59:06.360 Yes. 00:59:06.360 --> 00:59:07.360 Do we have three votes? 00:59:07.360 --> 00:59:11.360 We have a motion to reconsider in a second. 00:59:11.360 --> 00:59:13.360 I'll make a motion to reconsider. 00:59:13.360 --> 00:59:14.360 Second. 00:59:14.360 --> 00:59:15.360 Okay. 00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:16.360 So we will reconsider our vote. 00:59:16.360 --> 00:59:17.360 Oh, take a vote on that. 00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:18.360 Okay. 00:59:18.360 --> 00:59:19.360 I'm sorry. 00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:20.360 All right. 00:59:20.360 --> 00:59:21.360 Sorry. 00:59:21.360 --> 00:59:22.360 Okay. 00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:23.130 So first we're going to vote on whether we will reconsider 00:59:23.130 --> 00:59:23.360 the vote. 00:59:23.360 --> 00:59:26.360 So all in favor of reconsidering the vote. 00:59:26.360 --> 00:59:27.360 Aye. 00:59:27.360 --> 00:59:28.360 Aye. 00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:29.360 Okay. 00:59:29.360 --> 00:59:35.820 So we will have another vote on whether we should approve 00:59:35.820 --> 00:59:40.280 this item, TSC 18-034. 00:59:40.280 --> 00:59:41.760 So do we have a motion to approve? 00:59:41.760 --> 00:59:43.360 I'll make a motion to approve. 00:59:43.360 --> 00:59:44.360 I second. 00:59:44.360 --> 00:59:46.360 Do we have a second and a vote? 00:59:46.360 --> 00:59:47.360 Everyone in favor? 00:59:47.360 --> 00:59:48.360 Aye. 00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:49.360 Aye. 00:59:49.360 --> 00:59:52.360 Here we are, four. 00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:54.360 Thank you. 00:59:54.360 --> 00:59:55.360 Okay. 00:59:55.360 --> 01:00:00.119 Now that brings us to actually the most fun part, which is 01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:01.360 the matrix. 01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:11.360 So item 1F, TSC 18-035, staff reports of the matrix. 01:00:11.360 --> 01:00:14.909 So since there are so many new members, I just want to 01:00:14.909 --> 01:00:17.119 quickly outline what we do here 01:00:17.119 --> 01:00:20.809 with the matrix and what are the intentions and how do we 01:00:20.809 --> 01:00:22.639 track it or what are some of 01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:27.360 the outcomes of this particular process. 01:00:27.360 --> 01:00:30.880 A matrix is a list of different items, different issues 01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:33.639 that you really want to -- more information 01:00:33.639 --> 01:00:36.760 or see something done, action. 01:00:36.760 --> 01:00:41.239 Say, for example, you want to sidewalk at some location. 01:00:41.239 --> 01:00:42.880 What are the ways you get there? 01:00:42.880 --> 01:00:44.599 You put it on this matrix. 01:00:44.599 --> 01:00:45.599 We have a discussion. 01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:48.750 At some point, if you want to, you can convert that item 01:00:48.750 --> 01:00:50.860 into a full-blown discussion item 01:00:50.860 --> 01:00:55.110 where you have -- you can bring an AIS and have a full ag 01:00:55.110 --> 01:00:57.559 endized item because if it's 01:00:57.559 --> 01:01:00.820 not on the agenda, we can't really go into the depths of 01:01:00.820 --> 01:01:02.360 why and how and where. 01:01:02.360 --> 01:01:06.070 So this is a starting step for anything that you really 01:01:06.070 --> 01:01:08.559 want to move forward and get things 01:01:08.559 --> 01:01:11.619 done or want more information on. 01:01:11.619 --> 01:01:14.050 So these are the list of things that we've been tracking 01:01:14.050 --> 01:01:15.320 for long -- some of them are 01:01:15.320 --> 01:01:17.119 a pretty long time. 01:01:17.119 --> 01:01:18.639 We can start cleaning it up. 01:01:18.639 --> 01:01:19.840 We can start a new one. 01:01:19.840 --> 01:01:24.860 We can consider changing some of the format, but this is 01:01:24.860 --> 01:01:26.320 what we have. 01:01:26.320 --> 01:01:30.079 And there were some requests that were made in the past by 01:01:30.079 --> 01:01:32.159 some of the commissioners and 01:01:32.159 --> 01:01:35.909 they're in here, but what we've started doing is under each 01:01:35.909 --> 01:01:39.360 of these requests, we've started 01:01:39.360 --> 01:01:43.489 saying what improvements or how would we address it or were 01:01:43.489 --> 01:01:46.320 we considering some of these things. 01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:50.449 For example, if we can -- let's jump to item number two 01:01:50.449 --> 01:01:53.320 because that's much more easier, 01:01:53.320 --> 01:01:57.880 parking on Myriad Street between Oak and Scripture. 01:01:57.880 --> 01:02:02.050 That's within the Oak Gateway Plan area and as part of that 01:02:02.050 --> 01:02:04.320 specific plan, they're studying 01:02:04.320 --> 01:02:11.269 parking and traffic as a big picture approach to how do we 01:02:11.269 --> 01:02:14.760 fix it, what are the ways we 01:02:14.760 --> 01:02:15.860 can do it. 01:02:15.860 --> 01:02:19.550 So this item was brought in and then, yeah, we're currently 01:02:19.550 --> 01:02:21.639 with the specific plan underway 01:02:21.639 --> 01:02:25.769 that is going to come up with ways to address the issue on 01:02:25.769 --> 01:02:27.639 this particular street. 01:02:27.639 --> 01:02:30.480 So those are the things that we're tracking. 01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:34.920 Typically in a meeting, I hit on the newer ones where some 01:02:34.920 --> 01:02:37.519 of them are highlighted, newer 01:02:37.519 --> 01:02:41.309 responses, and then after that, any new items that you want 01:02:41.309 --> 01:02:43.719 to add will be added subsequently. 01:02:43.719 --> 01:02:45.400 So that's the process. 01:02:45.400 --> 01:02:50.409 I can start with item six because there's an update on that 01:02:50.409 --> 01:02:52.480 and just a quick aerial 01:02:52.480 --> 01:03:07.559 map, my favorite part. 01:03:07.559 --> 01:03:14.050 So there was a request about sidewalks and safe pedestrian 01:03:14.050 --> 01:03:16.760 passage along Mingo. 01:03:16.760 --> 01:03:20.139 This is the stretch of Mingo we're talking, all the way 01:03:20.139 --> 01:03:22.679 from Old North which is here to 01:03:22.679 --> 01:03:29.460 the campus, T.W. campus, Bell, so -- which is right here. 01:03:29.460 --> 01:03:35.559 So part of that, I think main concerns are this particular 01:03:35.559 --> 01:03:38.960 area where a lot of T.W. students 01:03:38.960 --> 01:03:42.630 live in these apartment buildings and some of them here and 01:03:42.630 --> 01:03:44.199 then the campus is right 01:03:44.199 --> 01:03:45.360 here. 01:03:45.360 --> 01:03:48.900 And typically they have to go around on university or then 01:03:48.900 --> 01:03:51.199 they have to walk in the ditch around 01:03:51.199 --> 01:03:53.719 Mingo if they're closer on this particular edge. 01:03:53.719 --> 01:03:58.940 What we're currently doing is working with T.W.U. with 01:03:58.940 --> 01:04:02.079 their master plan and their interim 01:04:02.079 --> 01:04:07.440 phase is actually looking at reusing some of these golf 01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:10.920 course paths and we are partnering 01:04:10.920 --> 01:04:15.260 with them to see how we can connect these to the street and 01:04:15.260 --> 01:04:17.639 then bring them in and provide 01:04:17.639 --> 01:04:19.460 smaller connections. 01:04:19.460 --> 01:04:25.010 That way this will create pedestrian areas for them to walk 01:04:25.010 --> 01:04:27.519 around instead of being on 01:04:27.519 --> 01:04:30.260 the street and getting on the street they will be easily 01:04:30.260 --> 01:04:30.960 connected. 01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:34.760 So that's part of the solution, interim fix. 01:04:34.760 --> 01:04:39.880 Eventually we'll come back and widen Mingo and the sidewalk 01:04:39.880 --> 01:04:42.000 will be part of Mingo. 01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:43.000 Item number -- 01:04:43.000 --> 01:04:47.400 >> While you're on that. 01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:51.139 Will that incorporate some bicycle paths when you're 01:04:51.139 --> 01:04:55.599 talking about widening? 01:04:55.599 --> 01:04:56.599 >> Widening Mingo. 01:04:56.599 --> 01:04:59.889 Definitely bicycle is a consideration on most of our 01:04:59.889 --> 01:05:00.760 projects. 01:05:00.760 --> 01:05:03.590 We're putting a multi-use bike path on Bonnie Bray, May 01:05:03.590 --> 01:05:05.199 Hill, all the big projects. 01:05:05.199 --> 01:05:09.579 Anything that we design we try and implement some multi-use 01:05:09.579 --> 01:05:11.719 paths and/or bike lanes. 01:05:11.719 --> 01:05:12.719 It's a combination. 01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:15.659 >> Because I use Mingo right there to bicycle into town 01:05:15.659 --> 01:05:16.519 sometimes. 01:05:16.519 --> 01:05:17.519 >> Okay. 01:05:17.519 --> 01:05:21.369 >> And also while you're on that, that corner also as I'm 01:05:21.369 --> 01:05:23.679 driving down Riddell and approaching 01:05:23.679 --> 01:05:29.420 that stop sign, the fencing, just a little bit back, you've 01:05:29.420 --> 01:05:31.840 got the several couple of 01:05:31.840 --> 01:05:35.159 light poles, utility poles, and that fencing as you're 01:05:35.159 --> 01:05:37.239 coming up kind of prevents a little 01:05:37.239 --> 01:05:44.400 screen just right about there from car viewpoint. 01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:48.630 And I was looking at it today thinking that if we could -- 01:05:48.630 --> 01:05:51.119 if you want to keep the fence, 01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:56.809 that light pole on the right just past where the truck is, 01:05:56.809 --> 01:05:59.480 if you move down Mingo just 01:05:59.480 --> 01:06:02.480 a little bit. 01:06:02.480 --> 01:06:03.480 Yeah. 01:06:03.480 --> 01:06:06.849 Basically, if we go from that light pole where that truck 01:06:06.849 --> 01:06:09.880 is right over the little bridge, 01:06:09.880 --> 01:06:14.010 and if that fencing could be pulled back a little bit to 01:06:14.010 --> 01:06:16.920 open up that corner for visibility. 01:06:16.920 --> 01:06:17.920 >> Okay. 01:06:17.920 --> 01:06:21.219 I'll add that as a separate item and then we can talk about 01:06:21.219 --> 01:06:22.239 it next time. 01:06:22.239 --> 01:06:25.239 I'll work with -- it's a TW Golf Course fencing. 01:06:25.239 --> 01:06:26.239 >> Yes. 01:06:26.239 --> 01:06:28.579 >> And I'll have to work with them to make sure that they 01:06:28.579 --> 01:06:29.920 are okay with removing it. 01:06:29.920 --> 01:06:30.920 >> Right. 01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:33.099 Because you've got a couple of big utility poles and then 01:06:33.099 --> 01:06:34.280 you've got this fencing that 01:06:34.280 --> 01:06:39.829 creates a screen making it a little difficult to see around 01:06:39.829 --> 01:06:40.800 there. 01:06:40.800 --> 01:06:41.800 >> Okay. 01:06:41.800 --> 01:06:47.909 >> Do you have any -- if we're going to be widening Mingo, 01:06:47.909 --> 01:06:50.360 do you have a feel for when 01:06:50.360 --> 01:06:54.119 that's going to happen? 01:06:54.119 --> 01:06:57.880 >> We're looking at least two to three years before we can 01:06:57.880 --> 01:06:58.840 design it. 01:06:58.840 --> 01:07:00.840 We don't have the funds yet. 01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:01.840 >> Okay. 01:07:01.840 --> 01:07:05.969 Any talks with railroads for right of way for putting pads 01:07:05.969 --> 01:07:06.920 and stuff on? 01:07:06.920 --> 01:07:09.599 >> Yeah, that's pretty tough. 01:07:09.599 --> 01:07:11.679 There's no way around that. 01:07:11.679 --> 01:07:15.119 So let me update some of the other items that I really 01:07:15.119 --> 01:07:16.800 wanted to talk about. 01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:20.170 Item number 11, there were concerns of parking east of on H 01:07:20.170 --> 01:07:22.119 ickory Street, Fry Street, cars 01:07:22.119 --> 01:07:26.239 are parked not properly entering traffic. 01:07:26.239 --> 01:07:27.719 It was an enforcement issue. 01:07:27.719 --> 01:07:31.349 We've asked parking enforcement to go in there and put it 01:07:31.349 --> 01:07:33.480 on their regular watch list. 01:07:33.480 --> 01:07:36.360 They have a list that they continually rotate. 01:07:36.360 --> 01:07:40.519 So we're trying to stay on top of that particular item. 01:07:40.519 --> 01:07:42.119 It's a safety related. 01:07:42.119 --> 01:07:47.239 The next item also, Malone Street, it's completely redone. 01:07:47.239 --> 01:07:50.119 And bike infrastructure is in place. 01:07:50.119 --> 01:07:51.719 We are working through that. 01:07:51.719 --> 01:07:55.239 Some of the kinks of new configuration. 01:07:55.239 --> 01:07:56.239 >> Malone and where? 01:07:56.239 --> 01:08:00.619 >> The entire stretch of Malone between scripture and US 3 01:08:00.619 --> 01:08:01.519 80. 01:08:01.519 --> 01:08:02.519 Yeah. 01:08:02.519 --> 01:08:09.769 That has a bike lane and it's been converted to a three 01:08:09.769 --> 01:08:12.159 lane section. 01:08:12.159 --> 01:08:16.289 The next item, item number 13, left turn needed at Old 01:08:16.289 --> 01:08:19.239 North University, Old North University 01:08:19.239 --> 01:08:20.239 in Nottingham. 01:08:20.239 --> 01:08:23.239 We've completed the Old North at the university. 01:08:23.239 --> 01:08:24.800 The left turns are in place. 01:08:24.800 --> 01:08:28.119 They have separate left turn lanes. 01:08:28.119 --> 01:08:31.840 And it seems to be working well at this point. 01:08:31.840 --> 01:08:33.439 We're still monitoring it. 01:08:33.439 --> 01:08:35.800 We just completed it last week. 01:08:35.800 --> 01:08:39.640 The next one, Nottingham University is to follow. 01:08:39.640 --> 01:08:43.720 It's in our next phase of small transportation projects. 01:08:43.720 --> 01:08:48.609 So we're kicking off the design in a month, month and a 01:08:48.609 --> 01:08:51.640 half to get that thing moving. 01:08:51.640 --> 01:08:54.100 Number 14, we have reviewed and addressed it. 01:08:54.100 --> 01:08:56.600 There were some issues with the traffic controller. 01:08:56.600 --> 01:08:58.760 It was really cycling fast. 01:08:58.760 --> 01:09:03.720 Didn't have enough green time for the cross streets. 01:09:03.720 --> 01:09:05.039 And then we've addressed that. 01:09:05.039 --> 01:09:07.779 So I'm going to remove some of these items that we've 01:09:07.779 --> 01:09:09.399 already addressed and then next 01:09:09.399 --> 01:09:11.720 time I clean up the matrix. 01:09:11.720 --> 01:09:15.279 And then the last one we have added that, the 10 foot 01:09:15.279 --> 01:09:17.399 sidewalk, we have added that to 01:09:17.399 --> 01:09:19.640 our sidewalk gap list. 01:09:19.640 --> 01:09:24.510 Typically, we add them up on an annual basis and set it up 01:09:24.510 --> 01:09:26.960 so that we can package it and 01:09:26.960 --> 01:09:28.439 send it out for design. 01:09:28.439 --> 01:09:32.640 We're currently working on 2018 sidewalk design package and 01:09:32.640 --> 01:09:36.319 then construction will start early 01:09:36.319 --> 01:09:39.760 next year or probably mid next year. 01:09:39.760 --> 01:09:44.399 And then 2019 is already under on the same path. 01:09:44.399 --> 01:09:49.619 We're taking it to council for getting a design consultant 01:09:49.619 --> 01:09:50.760 on board. 01:09:50.760 --> 01:09:54.170 And then I just added fencing and mingling with the first 01:09:54.170 --> 01:09:55.319 side distance. 01:09:55.319 --> 01:09:59.199 Any other items that anyone wants to add? 01:09:59.199 --> 01:10:06.520 Well, I'm going to have a question about cautionary 20s. 01:10:06.520 --> 01:10:07.800 Is that what it's called? 01:10:07.800 --> 01:10:11.560 Caution 20 or cautionary 20 mile an hour? 01:10:11.560 --> 01:10:18.020 I believe there's one on scripture, but my neighborhood, E 01:10:18.020 --> 01:10:21.199 agan, Congress, somewhat on 01:10:21.199 --> 01:10:26.069 panhandle is getting more and more populated by families 01:10:26.069 --> 01:10:28.079 with young children. 01:10:28.079 --> 01:10:33.060 And we're close to Denton High, we're close to Calhoun 01:10:33.060 --> 01:10:36.000 Middle, and this summer we had 01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:40.319 another person who ran the stop sign, ended up in one of my 01:10:40.319 --> 01:10:42.680 neighbor's yards and actually 01:10:42.680 --> 01:10:46.399 hit her car first and then ended up in her yard. 01:10:46.399 --> 01:10:49.600 And so there's three children that live in that house. 01:10:49.600 --> 01:10:53.600 So any number of them could have been out there. 01:10:53.600 --> 01:11:00.100 So is there -- we're working on this with our small area 01:11:00.100 --> 01:11:01.159 plan. 01:11:01.159 --> 01:11:06.500 But what else just from this perspective of our commission, 01:11:06.500 --> 01:11:09.159 what can we think about, look 01:11:09.159 --> 01:11:13.500 at, ask for so that we've got multipronged approach to 01:11:13.500 --> 01:11:16.079 making that area in particular 01:11:16.079 --> 01:11:17.079 safe? 01:11:17.079 --> 01:11:18.079 And these are little kids. 01:11:18.079 --> 01:11:19.479 They're going to be there for a while. 01:11:19.479 --> 01:11:23.859 So the orange caution, children playing kinds of signs, how 01:11:23.859 --> 01:11:25.640 do those even happen? 01:11:25.640 --> 01:11:27.760 So a couple things. 01:11:27.760 --> 01:11:28.840 Quick response to this. 01:11:28.840 --> 01:11:33.159 I can't really discuss much in detail, but putting a sign 01:11:33.159 --> 01:11:35.399 out there is not going to help 01:11:35.399 --> 01:11:38.239 because they're going to look at it and just ignore. 01:11:38.239 --> 01:11:39.600 That's the first approach. 01:11:39.600 --> 01:11:44.130 20 miles an hour, typically according to our ordinance, can 01:11:44.130 --> 01:11:46.000 only be a street adjacent to 01:11:46.000 --> 01:11:50.159 school or hospital or park. 01:11:50.159 --> 01:11:53.189 We can't really have a 20-mile on our cautionary speed 01:11:53.189 --> 01:11:55.560 anywhere other than that ordinance area. 01:11:55.560 --> 01:11:57.720 And I can give you the specifics. 01:11:57.720 --> 01:11:59.279 That's one thing. 01:11:59.279 --> 01:12:03.050 What we're doing, and the second two-pronged approach, is I 01:12:03.050 --> 01:12:05.159 've talked to several residents 01:12:05.159 --> 01:12:10.029 in that neighborhood and several other neighborhoods, and 01:12:10.029 --> 01:12:13.439 we are looking at a traffic calming toolbox 01:12:13.439 --> 01:12:18.500 where we go to communities, subdivisions, areas similar to 01:12:18.500 --> 01:12:21.520 yours, and present the toolbox. 01:12:21.520 --> 01:12:22.520 These are the options. 01:12:22.520 --> 01:12:24.720 These are the pros and cons. 01:12:24.720 --> 01:12:30.270 Compact circle or compact roundabout, bulb outs, islands, 01:12:30.270 --> 01:12:34.159 other pavement markings, signage 01:12:34.159 --> 01:12:35.399 striping. 01:12:35.399 --> 01:12:39.649 All these options will be laid out, and once we come up 01:12:39.649 --> 01:12:42.680 with what are the preferred options, 01:12:42.680 --> 01:12:44.750 we can look into how do we fund them and how do we 01:12:44.750 --> 01:12:45.720 implement them. 01:12:45.720 --> 01:12:47.920 So that's an approach. 01:12:47.920 --> 01:12:50.479 We are going to start. 01:12:50.479 --> 01:12:53.409 I'll probably bring an item in the next meeting or the 01:12:53.409 --> 01:12:55.720 following with the whole traffic calming 01:12:55.720 --> 01:12:59.500 toolbox as to what's entailed, what are the pros and cons, 01:12:59.500 --> 01:13:01.520 and then that's something that 01:13:01.520 --> 01:13:05.649 we can -- I'm going to start going to each community and 01:13:05.649 --> 01:13:07.800 presenting and let them have 01:13:07.800 --> 01:13:12.039 a weigh-in on what happens in their community. 01:13:12.039 --> 01:13:14.970 That's a better way of controlling speed and cut-through 01:13:14.970 --> 01:13:16.720 traffic, is making sure that it 01:13:16.720 --> 01:13:20.420 becomes a really localized area where people really are 01:13:20.420 --> 01:13:22.479 forced to slow down as opposed 01:13:22.479 --> 01:13:27.859 to just signage that doesn't really help much. 01:13:27.859 --> 01:13:31.649 So if you're coming in at a really narrow angle and close 01:13:31.649 --> 01:13:33.560 down the -- almost close down 01:13:33.560 --> 01:13:36.560 the intersection, you have to slow down. 01:13:36.560 --> 01:13:41.239 >> It's going to be a little bit of a sea change in 01:13:41.239 --> 01:13:44.520 mobility attitude in order to do 01:13:44.520 --> 01:13:48.880 that, which I'm all in favor of. 01:13:48.880 --> 01:13:52.250 >> We have to create the right guidance for them to change 01:13:52.250 --> 01:13:53.319 the behavior. 01:13:53.319 --> 01:13:56.159 Slow process. 01:13:56.159 --> 01:14:04.010 >> I'm also wondering, now that we have Mark, too, if the 01:14:04.010 --> 01:14:08.319 city has completely given up on 01:14:08.319 --> 01:14:12.970 discussing the stop is yield sign -- stop is yield for bicy 01:14:12.970 --> 01:14:15.279 clists, the Idaho stop. 01:14:15.279 --> 01:14:17.960 >> We'll look into that. 01:14:17.960 --> 01:14:22.159 I can't really answer that right away. 01:14:22.159 --> 01:14:25.439 >> It's okay. 01:14:25.439 --> 01:14:28.039 >> What was the -- what's already been discussed? 01:14:28.039 --> 01:14:29.039 >> Nothing. 01:14:29.039 --> 01:14:30.039 >> Okay. 01:14:30.039 --> 01:14:31.039 I would love to see that. 01:14:31.039 --> 01:14:34.680 >> Stop signs and yield signs for bicycles. 01:14:34.680 --> 01:14:36.239 >> But yeah, basically, yeah. 01:14:36.239 --> 01:14:37.239 >> Yeah. 01:14:37.239 --> 01:14:38.239 Right. 01:14:38.239 --> 01:14:39.239 >> And especially -- 01:14:39.239 --> 01:14:40.239 >> Changing their behavior, too. 01:14:40.239 --> 01:14:41.239 >> I'm sorry? 01:14:41.239 --> 01:14:42.239 >> Changing their behavior, too. 01:14:42.239 --> 01:14:43.239 >> Yes. 01:14:43.239 --> 01:14:44.239 Yes. 01:14:44.239 --> 01:14:48.039 Well, and especially as we are having more of our streets 01:14:48.039 --> 01:14:50.319 being, you know, bicycle -- you 01:14:50.319 --> 01:14:54.000 know, bikes can be part of traffic. 01:14:54.000 --> 01:14:57.689 It's really a bigger pain in the butt for cars to be behind 01:14:57.689 --> 01:14:59.439 a bike that has to get back 01:14:59.439 --> 01:15:02.539 up to speed when there are -- when there is no traffic 01:15:02.539 --> 01:15:03.279 coming. 01:15:03.279 --> 01:15:07.409 So if all you have to do is slow and keep going, you really 01:15:07.409 --> 01:15:09.439 -- the traffic keeps going 01:15:09.439 --> 01:15:13.000 at a better pace in those areas. 01:15:13.000 --> 01:15:14.000 >> And you -- 01:15:14.000 --> 01:15:15.000 >> The sparrows. 01:15:15.000 --> 01:15:17.840 >> And stops and stop lights would be like stop signs. 01:15:17.840 --> 01:15:20.039 That's the way you see it. 01:15:20.039 --> 01:15:21.039 >> Yeah. 01:15:21.039 --> 01:15:25.970 >> A quick response the way PD looks at this is they really 01:15:25.970 --> 01:15:29.319 consider bicyclists as a vehicle. 01:15:29.319 --> 01:15:30.319 And they enforce it that way. 01:15:30.319 --> 01:15:33.680 So if you don't stop, that means, yeah, you're in trouble. 01:15:33.680 --> 01:15:34.680 >> Right. 01:15:34.680 --> 01:15:35.680 >> But -- 01:15:35.680 --> 01:15:36.680 >> See change. 01:15:36.680 --> 01:15:37.680 >> -- we'll investigate. 01:15:37.680 --> 01:15:39.430 >> When you're on a bike and the person's car and a car is 01:15:39.430 --> 01:15:40.520 frustrated behind you because 01:15:40.520 --> 01:15:43.640 you're going three miles per hour, it creates a far more 01:15:43.640 --> 01:15:45.119 dangerous situation. 01:15:45.119 --> 01:15:46.119 >> Right. 01:15:46.119 --> 01:15:47.119 Right. 01:15:47.119 --> 01:15:49.859 If they have to feel they have to speed up to get around 01:15:49.859 --> 01:15:51.079 you because you are -- 01:15:51.079 --> 01:15:54.079 >> And that's the most dangerous thing. 01:15:54.079 --> 01:15:58.250 >> -- instead of you're being able to -- when you can, just 01:15:58.250 --> 01:15:59.640 keep on going. 01:15:59.640 --> 01:16:03.149 >> That's the only close calls I've had is people swerving 01:16:03.149 --> 01:16:04.880 around out of frustration 01:16:04.880 --> 01:16:09.550 because they don't -- they think only cars should be in the 01:16:09.550 --> 01:16:10.359 road. 01:16:10.359 --> 01:16:11.359 >> Right. 01:16:11.359 --> 01:16:12.359 Yeah. 01:16:12.359 --> 01:16:13.359 Okay. 01:16:13.359 --> 01:16:16.479 So in terms of the matrix, that means that, you know, we're 01:16:16.479 --> 01:16:17.880 the eyes on the street. 01:16:17.880 --> 01:16:22.119 So when there are things that you see that can -- some of 01:16:22.119 --> 01:16:24.439 these things are super quick 01:16:24.439 --> 01:16:25.439 fix. 01:16:25.439 --> 01:16:26.600 You know, we've brought things in. 01:16:26.600 --> 01:16:30.149 We've said pre-tem, we need help, and one meeting later he 01:16:30.149 --> 01:16:32.039 says, okay, and this is what 01:16:32.039 --> 01:16:33.039 we did. 01:16:33.039 --> 01:16:36.260 And so some things he can say, oh, okay, I didn't know 01:16:36.260 --> 01:16:39.079 anybody was concerned about this. 01:16:39.079 --> 01:16:42.239 This is something we're addressing via this project. 01:16:42.239 --> 01:16:46.029 But, you know, this is a really good way to find out and 01:16:46.029 --> 01:16:48.000 add things or find out where 01:16:48.000 --> 01:16:49.000 we are. 01:16:49.000 --> 01:16:52.319 The city might be working on things that we don't know they 01:16:52.319 --> 01:16:54.000 're working on, and you bring 01:16:54.000 --> 01:16:55.520 it up and they can say, okay. 01:16:55.520 --> 01:16:56.760 And then you can bring that back. 01:16:56.760 --> 01:16:59.489 We bring that back to the community who's been asking about 01:16:59.489 --> 01:16:59.800 it. 01:16:59.800 --> 01:17:00.800 So, Dan? 01:17:00.800 --> 01:17:03.079 >> Can I just -- I don't know if it's time to ask a 01:17:03.079 --> 01:17:04.880 question because I don't know what 01:17:04.880 --> 01:17:06.439 can happen related to it. 01:17:06.439 --> 01:17:11.739 But the new pedestrian cross on the square, there's like 01:17:11.739 --> 01:17:14.159 new pedestrian cross. 01:17:14.159 --> 01:17:16.680 What was the -- I mean, I guess that's probably out of our 01:17:16.680 --> 01:17:17.159 realm. 01:17:17.159 --> 01:17:20.119 What was the thinking behind those? 01:17:20.119 --> 01:17:21.319 >> You mean the sound or -- 01:17:21.319 --> 01:17:22.319 >> No, there's -- 01:17:22.319 --> 01:17:23.319 >> The sound, too. 01:17:23.319 --> 01:17:25.760 >> No, like the shorter ones, right? 01:17:25.760 --> 01:17:28.560 They're like shorter -- that weren't there previously. 01:17:28.560 --> 01:17:30.279 They're installed in the last six months. 01:17:30.279 --> 01:17:33.079 >> So it is ADA compliance. 01:17:33.079 --> 01:17:37.670 The new ADA compliance requires that the pedestrian buttons 01:17:37.670 --> 01:17:40.279 are within a certain distance of the 01:17:40.279 --> 01:17:42.439 street and the ramps. 01:17:42.439 --> 01:17:44.680 So that's why you have those shorter ramps. 01:17:44.680 --> 01:17:48.859 But at the same time, their sound is unique enough so 01:17:48.859 --> 01:17:51.600 someone with a visual disability 01:17:51.600 --> 01:17:54.239 can actually differentiate between different sounds of 01:17:54.239 --> 01:17:55.760 which direction you're going. 01:17:55.760 --> 01:17:57.560 >> So those actually emit sound? 01:17:57.560 --> 01:17:58.560 >> Yes. 01:17:58.560 --> 01:17:59.560 >> Okay, that's good. 01:17:59.560 --> 01:18:02.489 >> And it emitted different sound and we just changed it 01:18:02.489 --> 01:18:03.159 last week. 01:18:03.159 --> 01:18:04.640 >> Was the alignment changed? 01:18:04.640 --> 01:18:06.430 Because it seems like -- and maybe I'm reading wrong, but 01:18:06.430 --> 01:18:07.840 it seems like when I'm on the square, 01:18:07.840 --> 01:18:09.399 you have to press the button now. 01:18:09.399 --> 01:18:10.399 >> Correct. 01:18:10.399 --> 01:18:11.399 >> Or to cross. 01:18:11.399 --> 01:18:12.399 >> And that's for ADA compliance. 01:18:12.399 --> 01:18:15.319 >> So it can't be automatic? 01:18:15.319 --> 01:18:21.560 >> If it's automatic, it's hard for anyone that's visually 01:18:21.560 --> 01:18:24.359 and also hearing impaired 01:18:24.359 --> 01:18:27.239 that they wouldn't know what direction where to cross. 01:18:27.239 --> 01:18:31.130 So you have ramps that are directional and then you have 01:18:31.130 --> 01:18:33.319 buttons that go with those. 01:18:33.319 --> 01:18:35.159 So we're just being compliant. 01:18:35.159 --> 01:18:40.079 And yeah, it's a little bit, but it helps everyone to not 01:18:40.079 --> 01:18:43.720 just get into the street immediately. 01:18:43.720 --> 01:18:46.029 >> Is that something that we've had to coordinate with Text 01:18:46.029 --> 01:18:46.399 Dot? 01:18:46.399 --> 01:18:47.399 >> No. 01:18:47.399 --> 01:18:48.399 >> Because L and Locust? 01:18:48.399 --> 01:18:51.399 >> Well, they reviewed the plans, yes. 01:18:51.399 --> 01:18:52.399 >> Okay. 01:18:52.399 --> 01:18:55.159 >> Okay, so I do have one question on the matrix. 01:18:55.159 --> 01:18:58.479 This is probably an enforcement question about station 01:18:58.479 --> 01:19:00.520 motors, which is at the corner of 01:19:00.520 --> 01:19:02.760 Locust and McKinney. 01:19:02.760 --> 01:19:05.850 They just block sidewalks and I think they've been doing it 01:19:05.850 --> 01:19:07.079 for years with cars. 01:19:07.079 --> 01:19:09.479 And that whole area has kind of always been one of my 01:19:09.479 --> 01:19:11.000 biggest concerns because of the 01:19:11.000 --> 01:19:14.630 you come off the square, it's pedestrian friendly and then 01:19:14.630 --> 01:19:16.520 it opens up and cars gun it near 01:19:16.520 --> 01:19:17.520 where pedestrians are walking. 01:19:17.520 --> 01:19:21.010 But that area in particular, you're just pushed into the 01:19:21.010 --> 01:19:22.920 road as a pedestrian because they 01:19:22.920 --> 01:19:23.920 always block it. 01:19:23.920 --> 01:19:25.960 So that's right at Locust and McKinney. 01:19:25.960 --> 01:19:31.199 So I don't know if that's an enforcement issue. 01:19:31.199 --> 01:19:33.199 And then I had one other question I brought up. 01:19:33.199 --> 01:19:35.520 We were just discussing before. 01:19:35.520 --> 01:19:37.319 Is there anything temporary we can do on Hickory? 01:19:37.319 --> 01:19:40.250 I know there's long term plans on Hickory, but I know I've 01:19:40.250 --> 01:19:41.720 been since probably my first 01:19:41.720 --> 01:19:46.079 meeting in 2016 complaining about we have two urban areas 01:19:46.079 --> 01:19:47.720 and we have one small gap 01:19:47.720 --> 01:19:48.920 between them. 01:19:48.920 --> 01:19:54.010 And it's one of the worst roads and we put a bike lane on 01:19:54.010 --> 01:19:54.640 it. 01:19:54.640 --> 01:19:55.640 And then we tore it up. 01:19:55.640 --> 01:19:59.579 So now we have a bike lane with torn up terrible traffic. 01:19:59.579 --> 01:20:02.609 When you bike on it at night, which I do every night, you 01:20:02.609 --> 01:20:04.359 can't see more than a foot or two 01:20:04.359 --> 01:20:06.119 in front of you on parts of it. 01:20:06.119 --> 01:20:07.880 It's incredibly dangerous. 01:20:07.880 --> 01:20:10.720 Someone is going to get really hurt riding over there. 01:20:10.720 --> 01:20:14.119 And we as a city built infrastructure to tell them to go 01:20:14.119 --> 01:20:14.800 there. 01:20:14.800 --> 01:20:17.430 And I don't know how long it's going to take to get this 01:20:17.430 --> 01:20:18.840 stretch fixed or get something 01:20:18.840 --> 01:20:21.439 done because the sidewalks are all inaccessible. 01:20:21.439 --> 01:20:24.229 If anyone in a wheelchair wants to go between UNT and the 01:20:24.229 --> 01:20:25.960 square, they're out of luck. 01:20:25.960 --> 01:20:29.000 It's just I don't know. 01:20:29.000 --> 01:20:30.000 It's just so bad. 01:20:30.000 --> 01:20:31.239 And we made it way worse. 01:20:31.239 --> 01:20:33.279 I don't know what happened with putting the pipes in. 01:20:33.279 --> 01:20:35.630 But man, that road got torn up and it just looks like it's 01:20:35.630 --> 01:20:38.159 about to sit there for a while. 01:20:38.159 --> 01:20:41.720 And so I'm just frustrated with the status of it. 01:20:41.720 --> 01:20:42.800 It's been bad for years. 01:20:42.800 --> 01:20:44.359 It's gotten worse. 01:20:44.359 --> 01:20:47.119 And if nothing else, can we get some lighting, some 01:20:47.119 --> 01:20:49.279 temporary lighting in the area so that 01:20:49.279 --> 01:20:54.199 there's it's not dangerous for people. 01:20:54.199 --> 01:20:57.199 So it is a project. 01:20:57.199 --> 01:20:58.199 Yeah. 01:20:58.199 --> 01:21:01.199 We're working on it. 01:21:01.199 --> 01:21:02.199 More to come. 01:21:02.199 --> 01:21:03.199 I know. 01:21:03.199 --> 01:21:04.199 I'm just disgusted. 01:21:04.199 --> 01:21:05.199 Yeah. 01:21:05.199 --> 01:21:09.119 Well, and I think that is a question for the for night. 01:21:09.119 --> 01:21:13.560 You know, since right now the lighting is so are there any 01:21:13.560 --> 01:21:16.319 temporary measures to illuminate 01:21:16.319 --> 01:21:18.560 that area until it's done? 01:21:18.560 --> 01:21:20.760 And I think when it's done, it's going to look great. 01:21:20.760 --> 01:21:24.159 I think it will be pedestrian oriented. 01:21:24.159 --> 01:21:28.289 But right now, I think everybody I talked to who goes down 01:21:28.289 --> 01:21:30.500 who walks or bikes down Hickory, 01:21:30.500 --> 01:21:33.260 it feels like they're in it, you know, taking their lives 01:21:33.260 --> 01:21:34.960 into their own hands, you know, 01:21:34.960 --> 01:21:36.520 even even in the broad daylight. 01:21:36.520 --> 01:21:37.520 Yeah. 01:21:37.520 --> 01:21:38.520 Yeah. 01:21:38.520 --> 01:21:41.149 So you at night just a little extra extra way to put a 01:21:41.149 --> 01:21:42.680 little extra light in there, 01:21:42.680 --> 01:21:44.680 I think would be it would be good. 01:21:44.680 --> 01:21:46.930 That would make a big difference just so you can really see 01:21:46.930 --> 01:21:48.079 where you're biking in front 01:21:48.079 --> 01:21:49.079 of you right now. 01:21:49.079 --> 01:21:50.079 Yeah. 01:21:50.079 --> 01:21:50.880 When you hit those bumps, you sometimes don't even see them 01:21:50.880 --> 01:21:51.079 coming. 01:21:51.079 --> 01:21:52.079 Yeah. 01:21:52.079 --> 01:21:53.079 Yeah. 01:21:53.079 --> 01:21:54.079 You know, we're looking at bike. 01:21:54.079 --> 01:21:55.079 We'll look at options. 01:21:55.079 --> 01:21:56.079 OK. 01:21:56.079 --> 01:21:57.079 Thank you. 01:21:57.079 --> 01:21:58.079 Thank you. 01:21:58.079 --> 01:21:59.079 OK. 01:21:59.079 --> 01:22:00.079 Is there anything else? 01:22:00.079 --> 01:22:01.079 A general question. 01:22:01.079 --> 01:22:08.039 I'm the new kid on the block. 01:22:08.039 --> 01:22:13.590 I like reading research, statistics, reports in order to 01:22:13.590 --> 01:22:16.359 make an informed decision. 01:22:16.359 --> 01:22:20.829 There might be times I'd say I'm going to say no, simply 01:22:20.829 --> 01:22:23.039 because I don't have all my 01:22:23.039 --> 01:22:24.399 questions answered. 01:22:24.399 --> 01:22:26.670 How would I get supplemental information before this 01:22:26.670 --> 01:22:27.239 meeting? 01:22:27.239 --> 01:22:29.239 I'm going to vote on something. 01:22:29.239 --> 01:22:33.720 Is there a way to do that? 01:22:33.720 --> 01:22:36.239 You can send a list of questions you may have ahead of the 01:22:36.239 --> 01:22:36.760 meeting. 01:22:36.760 --> 01:22:40.479 I don't know what's on next month's agenda. 01:22:40.479 --> 01:22:44.609 You can send them Monday if you can, the morning of today, 01:22:44.609 --> 01:22:46.760 and then we'll get enough time to 01:22:46.760 --> 01:22:48.119 respond to all the questions. 01:22:48.119 --> 01:22:49.119 OK. 01:22:49.119 --> 01:22:50.119 Thank you. 01:22:50.119 --> 01:22:51.449 So because you get it on Friday, you don't have enough time 01:22:51.449 --> 01:22:52.159 , but you can read it over 01:22:52.159 --> 01:22:53.159 the weekend. 01:22:53.159 --> 01:22:56.840 If on Monday morning you want to send questions or you have 01:22:56.840 --> 01:22:58.920 follow up information, we can 01:22:58.920 --> 01:23:01.760 make sure that we try and address most of them. 01:23:01.760 --> 01:23:04.750 If we have something pending, then we'll provide you at a 01:23:04.750 --> 01:23:06.640 later time, but we'll try and address 01:23:06.640 --> 01:23:07.640 them. 01:23:07.640 --> 01:23:11.770 And I think we talked about too, is there simplifying the 01:23:11.770 --> 01:23:13.880 way to find existing projects 01:23:13.880 --> 01:23:14.880 on the site? 01:23:14.880 --> 01:23:16.199 I think they have done some updating already. 01:23:16.199 --> 01:23:17.199 Correct. 01:23:17.199 --> 01:23:18.199 I can send you a link. 01:23:18.199 --> 01:23:20.000 Is that linked from our page? 01:23:20.000 --> 01:23:22.199 That would kind of make sense almost to have a link to it. 01:23:22.199 --> 01:23:23.199 I don't know if that's-- 01:23:23.199 --> 01:23:24.199 I don't know. 01:23:24.199 --> 01:23:27.680 That'd be great if you could-- thank you so much. 01:23:28.920 --> 01:23:29.920 OK. 01:23:29.920 --> 01:23:35.920 Anyone else have any questions, comments? 01:23:35.920 --> 01:23:37.399 OK. 01:23:37.399 --> 01:23:40.960 We will adjourn at 6.59.