1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,599 Okay, everyone. 2 00:00:04,599 --> 00:00:08,119 It is Monday, September 17, 2018. 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:12,669 We have a quorum, and welcome to the September Traffic 4 00:00:12,669 --> 00:00:15,179 Safety Commission meeting. 5 00:00:15,179 --> 00:00:19,309 We have a big turnover of members, and so I'd like us each 6 00:00:19,309 --> 00:00:22,879 to introduce ourselves right 7 00:00:22,879 --> 00:00:25,199 before you put food in your mouth. 8 00:00:25,199 --> 00:00:29,449 Tell us which district you're in, and if you have a 9 00:00:29,449 --> 00:00:32,840 particular interest and that you are 10 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,399 hoping to represent on this committee. 11 00:00:35,399 --> 00:00:37,399 We'll start with Henry after he swallows. 12 00:00:37,399 --> 00:00:39,399 My name is Henry Jason. 13 00:00:39,399 --> 00:00:43,399 I have a history of -- I'm sorry, speaking to you. 14 00:00:43,399 --> 00:00:46,399 I thought I was loud. 15 00:00:46,399 --> 00:00:47,399 Hello? 16 00:00:47,399 --> 00:00:48,399 Hello? 17 00:00:48,399 --> 00:00:49,399 Hello? 18 00:00:49,399 --> 00:00:52,600 My career has been involved in civil service. 19 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,799 I was a political appointee myself. 20 00:00:55,799 --> 00:01:01,689 I ran civil rights enforcement agencies, served on handicap 21 00:01:01,689 --> 00:01:06,000 committees providing education, 22 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,719 legal opinions, general expertise to all segments of the 23 00:01:10,719 --> 00:01:13,680 community, not just people who are 24 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,980 protected by law, but we also provided it to employers, to 25 00:01:17,980 --> 00:01:20,200 transportation districts, 26 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:26,290 at all, so the people would get equal protection and equal 27 00:01:26,290 --> 00:01:27,599 service. 28 00:01:27,599 --> 00:01:28,599 All right. 29 00:01:28,599 --> 00:01:29,599 Thank you. 30 00:01:29,599 --> 00:01:30,599 Welcome. 31 00:01:30,599 --> 00:01:31,599 Thank you. 32 00:01:31,599 --> 00:01:32,599 Jeff? 33 00:01:32,599 --> 00:01:33,599 Thank you. 34 00:01:33,599 --> 00:01:34,599 Appreciate you all having me. 35 00:01:34,599 --> 00:01:35,599 I look forward to working with you. 36 00:01:35,599 --> 00:01:38,599 And that's a tough resume to follow. 37 00:01:38,599 --> 00:01:41,040 I do not have that much of experience. 38 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,400 I've lived in Denton for over 30 years. 39 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:44,920 I have three children. 40 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,129 We've seen Denton change quite a bit, and with that, a lot 41 00:01:48,129 --> 00:01:49,599 lately with the addition 42 00:01:49,599 --> 00:01:54,719 of all the new highways, et cetera, to me, and just having 43 00:01:54,719 --> 00:01:57,159 the experience I've had in 44 00:01:57,159 --> 00:02:00,090 Denton and seeing all the changes and some of the things 45 00:02:00,090 --> 00:02:01,480 that have changed that what 46 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:05,340 I thought were positive might not have come out that way, 47 00:02:05,340 --> 00:02:07,280 and I was interested in this 48 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:11,870 position to just address some of the issues with the team 49 00:02:11,870 --> 00:02:15,080 and our commission and try to 50 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,060 make it as fluid as possible as of right now with a lot of 51 00:02:18,060 --> 00:02:19,759 the construction and things 52 00:02:19,759 --> 00:02:21,599 that are going on. 53 00:02:21,599 --> 00:02:24,340 It's not fluid in many places, and so I'd love to 54 00:02:24,340 --> 00:02:26,560 contribute in any way I can on that. 55 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:27,560 All right. 56 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:28,560 Thank you. 57 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:29,560 Dan Kretke. 58 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:33,810 I originally was appointed by Kevin Roden and then reapp 59 00:02:33,810 --> 00:02:37,719 ointed by Gerard Hutzbeth, and 60 00:02:37,719 --> 00:02:41,360 I'm in District 1, live in District 1, so I think everyone 61 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,039 knows I'm a big walkability 62 00:02:43,039 --> 00:02:46,129 advocate, love bike lanes, pedestrians, and in the urban 63 00:02:46,129 --> 00:02:47,680 core, I hope Denton can become 64 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:53,080 safer and we can encourage more people to get out of their 65 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,599 cars and use other ways of 66 00:02:55,599 --> 00:02:58,810 getting around, and if anyone's interested in those ideas, 67 00:02:58,810 --> 00:03:00,080 I've really... 68 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,169 Jeff Speck's work, he has a couple books that are really 69 00:03:02,169 --> 00:03:03,199 easy if you're interested 70 00:03:03,199 --> 00:03:06,919 in walkability that have influenced me a lot. 71 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:08,919 Thank you. 72 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,400 A push to start? 73 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,400 Oh, you're good when you're green. 74 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:14,759 I'm good to go, okay. 75 00:03:14,759 --> 00:03:21,280 Clay Thurmond, and I'm in District 1, appointed by Paul 76 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:26,039 Meltzer, and my interests are cycling 77 00:03:26,039 --> 00:03:27,039 infrastructure. 78 00:03:27,039 --> 00:03:31,169 I love the Safe Routes to Schools concepts, the linking 79 00:03:31,169 --> 00:03:33,479 that's been done in some of our 80 00:03:33,479 --> 00:03:40,430 city parks, and I'd like to see us develop a true bicycle 81 00:03:40,430 --> 00:03:44,280 network of good infrastructure 82 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,479 in town. 83 00:03:46,479 --> 00:03:51,669 My wife is disabled, so I am always keeping my eye out for 84 00:03:51,669 --> 00:03:54,520 parking spots and places that 85 00:03:54,520 --> 00:04:01,319 can be converted and general disabled access. 86 00:04:01,319 --> 00:04:06,599 And I also am a motorist, so I see things that I may want 87 00:04:06,599 --> 00:04:08,719 to bring forward. 88 00:04:08,719 --> 00:04:11,039 All right, thank you. 89 00:04:11,039 --> 00:04:14,560 I'm Patrice Lyke, and I live in District 3. 90 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:19,209 I'm about a seven-minute bike ride from here, cutting 91 00:04:19,209 --> 00:04:21,920 through the Quaker Town Park. 92 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:26,050 My primary interests are with bikeability and walkability, 93 00:04:26,050 --> 00:04:27,959 because I'm an 11-minute 94 00:04:27,959 --> 00:04:33,139 walk from my office, and so that's really, you know, the 95 00:04:33,139 --> 00:04:36,120 streets are what I pay attention 96 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,560 to, where I'm walking and where I'm biking. 97 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:43,699 I'm also the current chair of the Oak Gateway Small Area 98 00:04:43,699 --> 00:04:46,480 Plan Steering Committee. 99 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,560 That's a lot to put out there. 100 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:54,069 But as a result of that, we've been really looking at 101 00:04:54,069 --> 00:04:57,680 mobility, parking issues, and again, 102 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,949 you know, all the ways to make our streets safer in the 103 00:05:00,949 --> 00:05:02,920 area that's been designated for 104 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:04,920 the small area plan. 105 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:09,439 Yes, my name is Jim Owen. 106 00:05:09,439 --> 00:05:12,519 I'm a UNT bus driver, second career. 107 00:05:12,519 --> 00:05:19,139 Moved here in 2010 to get connected, reconnected with the 108 00:05:19,139 --> 00:05:20,240 family. 109 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:21,800 I got on this committee. 110 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:23,279 John Ryan put me on the committee. 111 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:27,519 I live in District 4. 112 00:05:27,519 --> 00:05:31,439 I drive these streets every day with a 37-foot bus. 113 00:05:31,439 --> 00:05:36,170 So parking and student responsibilities of how they do that 114 00:05:36,170 --> 00:05:38,600 , and Hickory Street and bike 115 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,639 lanes and all that, it's important. 116 00:05:41,639 --> 00:05:44,279 It's important for livability in this city. 117 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,730 It's in transition from just a little small town to 118 00:05:47,730 --> 00:05:50,319 something a lot bigger, and we have 119 00:05:50,319 --> 00:05:52,560 to plan for the future. 120 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,689 And also, Dan's vice chairman, Patrice, is the chairman of 121 00:05:56,689 --> 00:05:57,759 the committee. 122 00:05:57,759 --> 00:06:00,160 So I just wanted to mention that. 123 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,399 I've been on it since 2015. 124 00:06:03,399 --> 00:06:04,399 So has she. 125 00:06:04,399 --> 00:06:05,399 Thank you. 126 00:06:05,399 --> 00:06:08,800 Hi, my name is Preetam Deshmukh. 127 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:13,149 I am the city traffic engineer, also the staff liaison from 128 00:06:13,149 --> 00:06:15,680 the city side for this particular 129 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:17,439 committee. 130 00:06:17,439 --> 00:06:21,149 And it's good to see a lot of folks are into overall 131 00:06:21,149 --> 00:06:23,639 mobility as opposed to just moving 132 00:06:23,639 --> 00:06:25,279 traffic. 133 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,220 And also another perspective of driving a big bus through 134 00:06:28,220 --> 00:06:28,920 the town. 135 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:34,660 So different angles, different perspectives, and it's great 136 00:06:34,660 --> 00:06:37,199 to have all these committee 137 00:06:37,199 --> 00:06:38,199 members here. 138 00:06:38,199 --> 00:06:39,199 Thank you. 139 00:06:39,199 --> 00:06:40,199 Great. 140 00:06:40,199 --> 00:06:41,199 All right. 141 00:06:41,199 --> 00:06:42,199 Thank you, everyone. 142 00:06:42,199 --> 00:06:48,689 So we have 1A, which is TSC 18-030, which is to consider 143 00:06:48,689 --> 00:06:51,639 the approval of Traffic Safety 144 00:06:51,639 --> 00:06:56,509 Commission meeting minutes of May 7th, 2018, and July 2nd, 145 00:06:56,509 --> 00:06:57,720 2018. 146 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:01,680 Has everyone had a chance to look at the minutes? 147 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:03,680 And are there any corrections? 148 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,680 Or is there a move for approval? 149 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:11,920 I make a motion to move for approval as read. 150 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:12,920 Okay. 151 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:13,920 We have a motion for approval. 152 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:14,920 Anyone have a second? 153 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:15,920 I second. 154 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:16,920 Okay. 155 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,000 And we have a second. 156 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:25,399 So both sets of minutes will move forward as unamended. 157 00:07:25,399 --> 00:07:29,639 Item for consideration 1B then is TSC 18-0 -- 158 00:07:29,639 --> 00:07:30,639 I'm sorry. 159 00:07:30,639 --> 00:07:33,639 I was so excited. 160 00:07:33,639 --> 00:07:34,639 Okay. 161 00:07:34,639 --> 00:07:35,639 Okay. 162 00:07:35,639 --> 00:07:36,639 Everybody in favor? 163 00:07:36,639 --> 00:07:37,639 Aye. 164 00:07:37,639 --> 00:07:38,639 Okay. 165 00:07:38,639 --> 00:07:39,639 Aye. 166 00:07:39,639 --> 00:07:40,639 Okay. 167 00:07:40,639 --> 00:07:42,240 Good to go. 168 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,240 All right. 169 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:50,040 So 1B, TSC 18-031, which is to receive a report, hold 170 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,480 discussion, and make a recommendation 171 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:59,029 to City Council for approval of an amendment of an existing 172 00:07:59,029 --> 00:08:03,839 ordinance 2006-358 and updating 173 00:08:03,839 --> 00:08:08,430 the associated interlocal agreement to allow University of 174 00:08:08,430 --> 00:08:10,839 North Texas to enforce parking 175 00:08:10,839 --> 00:08:14,389 regulations and restrict on-street parking to permit 176 00:08:14,389 --> 00:08:16,800 parking along Kendall Street south 177 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,160 of Wilshire Street. 178 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,160 Thank you. 179 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:27,029 Once again, my name is Preetam Deshpuk, traffic engineer 180 00:08:27,029 --> 00:08:30,240 for the city, and I really like maps. 181 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,799 So I can start here. 182 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:38,159 This is a general idea of where the campus is. 183 00:08:38,159 --> 00:08:41,899 You can see all the highlighted areas and the street 184 00:08:41,899 --> 00:08:44,159 covered within the campus. 185 00:08:44,159 --> 00:08:48,600 I also have with me from UNT Chris Phelps, who is within 186 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,120 the transportation division 187 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,159 for UNT. 188 00:08:54,159 --> 00:08:58,460 And if you have any specific questions as to why, how, when 189 00:08:58,460 --> 00:09:00,360 , he might be able to dive 190 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:01,360 into those. 191 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:06,460 But overall, big picture, if you can see all the blues, and 192 00:09:06,460 --> 00:09:09,200 here, currently UNT under that 193 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,909 existing interlocal agreement has the right to enforce 194 00:09:12,909 --> 00:09:15,120 parking on all these streets, starting 195 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:20,690 with all the way from North Texas Boulevard to almost 196 00:09:20,690 --> 00:09:27,399 Bernard in the east-west, but north-south, 197 00:09:27,399 --> 00:09:30,039 if you see there are some streets missing. 198 00:09:30,039 --> 00:09:34,909 And one of the recent developments that happened, and this 199 00:09:34,909 --> 00:09:37,879 is why we're here, is to understand 200 00:09:37,879 --> 00:09:42,990 that Kendal during the I-35E widening project, one of the 201 00:09:42,990 --> 00:09:46,039 things that TechStat completed, 202 00:09:46,039 --> 00:09:51,320 and this was in coordination with the city, UNT, and all 203 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,320 the stakeholders, that Kendal 204 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,360 was completely blocked off. 205 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:00,250 If you can see there used to be a connection similar to 206 00:10:00,250 --> 00:10:02,559 what we have at New Sea here. 207 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:07,019 Now Kendal has a curb, and part of the reasoning behind 208 00:10:07,019 --> 00:10:09,879 this was the property take in this 209 00:10:09,879 --> 00:10:13,309 area as well as the big intersection signal where the right 210 00:10:13,309 --> 00:10:14,879 turns are already backing 211 00:10:14,879 --> 00:10:17,159 up into this particular intersection. 212 00:10:17,159 --> 00:10:19,899 So it didn't make any sense to provide an access where 213 00:10:19,899 --> 00:10:21,720 people would swing through lanes 214 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,639 and get into the far side. 215 00:10:23,639 --> 00:10:25,080 It was a big safety concern. 216 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:26,919 TechStat was on board. 217 00:10:26,919 --> 00:10:30,440 So this was completely shut down. 218 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:35,990 Subsequently UNT acquired this particular parcel, and they 219 00:10:35,990 --> 00:10:38,279 already own the old second 220 00:10:38,279 --> 00:10:40,639 save on this side. 221 00:10:40,639 --> 00:10:42,519 They already own this particular parcel. 222 00:10:42,519 --> 00:10:45,889 So they own property on either side of this particular 223 00:10:45,889 --> 00:10:48,039 segment of Kendal Street between 224 00:10:48,039 --> 00:10:52,039 Wilshire and I-35E Furniture Road. 225 00:10:52,039 --> 00:10:55,129 And what they're requesting at this point is they better, 226 00:10:55,129 --> 00:10:56,519 they need to have a better 227 00:10:56,519 --> 00:10:58,899 control of parking. 228 00:10:58,899 --> 00:11:03,460 If you see and zoom in, cars are literally parked every 229 00:11:03,460 --> 00:11:05,899 which place they can find. 230 00:11:05,899 --> 00:11:10,029 Especially their access around here, getting in and out, 231 00:11:10,029 --> 00:11:12,519 access on this particular driveway, 232 00:11:12,519 --> 00:11:15,899 general access at this intersection where you're looking at 233 00:11:15,899 --> 00:11:16,840 line of sight. 234 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:22,019 And then also if you look at the existing parking, they're 235 00:11:22,019 --> 00:11:25,200 trying to put in an administrative 236 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:29,330 services in here for UNT and their parking is restricted on 237 00:11:29,330 --> 00:11:30,200 all sides. 238 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,580 And so they want to be a better control and use this 239 00:11:33,580 --> 00:11:36,000 particular on street parking. 240 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:41,590 And what they're asking this evening is first amend the 241 00:11:41,590 --> 00:11:44,720 interlocal agreement to add this 242 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,909 particular segment so that they can actually have control 243 00:11:47,909 --> 00:11:48,879 over parking. 244 00:11:48,879 --> 00:11:52,600 And then second restrict parking to permit only. 245 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:57,309 So if they can issue permits and those permitted people can 246 00:11:57,309 --> 00:11:59,960 only park here, given that they 247 00:11:59,960 --> 00:12:04,299 own property on either side, I don't see an issue or any 248 00:12:04,299 --> 00:12:06,860 opposition from any of the property 249 00:12:06,860 --> 00:12:10,990 owners that are not taking access off of this particular 250 00:12:10,990 --> 00:12:11,779 street. 251 00:12:11,779 --> 00:12:17,330 So currently staff recommends that commissioners approve 252 00:12:17,330 --> 00:12:20,600 this particular item and recommend 253 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:27,679 to council for approving the restriction. 254 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:28,679 Any questions? 255 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:29,679 Any questions for Chris? 256 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:30,679 We'll be more than happy to answer. 257 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,679 Do you have to press the button when you ask? 258 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,120 No, actually if you leave it open, that's fine. 259 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:38,120 Green light's good light. 260 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:43,210 Curiosity, what's the working relationship for Denton 261 00:12:43,210 --> 00:12:45,720 police and UNT officers? 262 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:47,639 Can we still tick it? 263 00:12:47,639 --> 00:12:52,740 So given our parking enforcement staff, we're really low on 264 00:12:52,740 --> 00:12:55,360 parking enforcement staff. 265 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,919 I think we have three officers at the most. 266 00:12:58,919 --> 00:13:03,610 And given that in and around the campus itself, it is 267 00:13:03,610 --> 00:13:06,919 really hard to keep on top of parking 268 00:13:06,919 --> 00:13:08,759 enforcement. 269 00:13:08,759 --> 00:13:11,919 This will be actually helpful if UNT takes over. 270 00:13:11,919 --> 00:13:14,799 It will be a relief for our officers. 271 00:13:14,799 --> 00:13:18,480 And there is coordination and interaction if there are 272 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,600 certain things that are really 273 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:25,299 illegal or something that UNT PD or Denton PD thinks that 274 00:13:25,299 --> 00:13:28,679 you're in someone else's jurisdiction, 275 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:33,740 they'll coordinate and contact each other and make or 276 00:13:33,740 --> 00:13:37,080 change the situation by enforcing 277 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:38,080 it. 278 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,480 Is that viewed as private property, campus? 279 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:42,919 I'm sorry? 280 00:13:42,919 --> 00:13:46,039 Is campus viewed as private property? 281 00:13:46,039 --> 00:13:49,759 It is a state property. 282 00:13:49,759 --> 00:13:54,629 We don't necessarily have jurisdiction over the parcels 283 00:13:54,629 --> 00:13:57,799 within the streets, but the streets 284 00:13:57,799 --> 00:13:58,799 are public right away. 285 00:13:58,799 --> 00:13:59,799 That's the city of Denton. 286 00:13:59,799 --> 00:14:00,799 Very good. 287 00:14:00,799 --> 00:14:01,799 Thank you. 288 00:14:01,799 --> 00:14:06,850 So Preetem, looking at the map, this is just a quick idle 289 00:14:06,850 --> 00:14:09,480 question, but all the red is 290 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,519 where they will eventually be hoping to? 291 00:14:13,519 --> 00:14:16,610 They have not requested, but it will be on a case-by-case 292 00:14:16,610 --> 00:14:18,240 basis, like the one that we're 293 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:19,240 currently looking at. 294 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,519 It's a really small section. 295 00:14:21,519 --> 00:14:24,440 And we have come in the past, I think back in 2017. 296 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:29,460 Last year we came in for a smaller piece along Central, I 297 00:14:29,460 --> 00:14:30,600 believe. 298 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:32,159 That's a direct access. 299 00:14:32,159 --> 00:14:38,039 So I think Central is down here. 300 00:14:38,039 --> 00:14:44,500 But yeah, it is on a case-by-case basis where we don't look 301 00:14:44,500 --> 00:14:47,200 at the whole map and then the 302 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:48,200 red. 303 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:49,200 It just... 304 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,200 So that's their aspirations? 305 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:56,799 Red is aspirational? 306 00:14:56,799 --> 00:14:57,799 Sort of. 307 00:14:57,799 --> 00:14:58,799 Okay. 308 00:14:58,799 --> 00:14:59,799 I'm just curious. 309 00:14:59,799 --> 00:15:03,500 As the campus is growing, I think it makes more sense and 310 00:15:03,500 --> 00:15:05,960 it's much more easier, especially 311 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:10,210 the enforcement side, because these are students that park 312 00:15:10,210 --> 00:15:12,720 in this area, primarily, almost 313 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,080 90, 95% of students. 314 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,889 And on the enforcement side, if City of Denton starts 315 00:15:17,889 --> 00:15:20,120 giving them parking tickets, all they're 316 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:23,049 gonna do is save it for three, four years and throw them 317 00:15:23,049 --> 00:15:24,840 out and not really be enforced. 318 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,279 But university has a lot of more leverage. 319 00:15:27,279 --> 00:15:33,740 They can actually withhold their degree at the end of 320 00:15:33,740 --> 00:15:35,639 everything. 321 00:15:35,639 --> 00:15:36,639 So... 322 00:15:36,639 --> 00:15:37,639 Okay. 323 00:15:37,639 --> 00:15:38,639 Okay. 324 00:15:38,639 --> 00:15:44,330 I would think that the fire department's in support of this 325 00:15:44,330 --> 00:15:45,080 too. 326 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:46,080 Is that correct? 327 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:47,080 Correct. 328 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:48,080 Okay. 329 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:49,080 Because of the clearances? 330 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:50,080 Correct. 331 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:54,679 I think they'll get more driving space if clear up. 332 00:15:54,679 --> 00:15:55,720 That is correct. 333 00:15:55,720 --> 00:16:02,669 And then this, just a quick mention, this particular 334 00:16:02,669 --> 00:16:06,639 closure here is mountable curb. 335 00:16:06,639 --> 00:16:11,279 So fire department trucks can easily exit out here. 336 00:16:11,279 --> 00:16:13,600 So mountable curb only for fire trucks. 337 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:14,600 It's not... 338 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:15,720 If you look at the... 339 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,309 If you are out there, any normal vehicle wouldn't dare to 340 00:16:19,309 --> 00:16:20,360 go over this. 341 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:24,490 But if fire trucks are in this area, they can easily go 342 00:16:24,490 --> 00:16:25,840 over and leave. 343 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,029 And then this area would be cleared off, especially from 344 00:16:28,029 --> 00:16:29,720 emergency response standpoint, so that 345 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,919 no one's parking here. 346 00:16:32,919 --> 00:16:33,919 That's the intent. 347 00:16:33,919 --> 00:16:34,919 I have a question, please. 348 00:16:34,919 --> 00:16:35,919 Yes. 349 00:16:35,919 --> 00:16:36,919 So I just wanna make sure that I understand you correctly. 350 00:16:36,919 --> 00:16:37,679 So the future they're gonna have that is an administrative 351 00:16:37,679 --> 00:16:37,919 building. 352 00:16:37,919 --> 00:16:38,919 And I'm not sure who's currently parking in that. 353 00:16:38,919 --> 00:16:39,919 Kindle Street there. 354 00:16:39,919 --> 00:16:40,549 But you said that they were suggesting that they're gonna 355 00:16:40,549 --> 00:16:40,919 be parking in that building. 356 00:16:40,919 --> 00:16:41,919 So is that correct? 357 00:16:41,919 --> 00:16:42,919 Correct. 358 00:16:42,919 --> 00:16:43,919 Okay. 359 00:16:43,919 --> 00:16:50,919 So is that correct? 360 00:16:50,919 --> 00:16:51,919 Correct. 361 00:16:51,919 --> 00:16:56,049 Is that permit only for the administration or is it for 362 00:16:56,049 --> 00:16:58,720 students and administration? 363 00:16:58,720 --> 00:16:59,720 That's a good question. 364 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:00,720 Maybe Chris can help me there. 365 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:01,720 Chris, you might... 366 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:02,720 So again, thank you for the opportunity to be here. 367 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:03,720 My name is Chris Fowlis. 368 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:12,160 I'm the senior director for transportation services. 369 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,680 So the building is scheduled to open, I believe, in January 370 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:14,839 . 371 00:17:14,839 --> 00:17:17,930 It'll be administrative, so it'll be faculty staff that are 372 00:17:17,930 --> 00:17:18,400 there. 373 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,529 There's currently, I wanna say, 98 spots in there, but we 374 00:17:22,529 --> 00:17:25,720 've got a couple 300 people going. 375 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,200 So they will utilize that lot. 376 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:30,960 They will utilize... 377 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,809 Just north of Wilshire next to the PD is a lot we just did 378 00:17:34,809 --> 00:17:36,000 last... 379 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,000 I didn't wanna say December. 380 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:39,000 Oops. 381 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,000 December. 382 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:41,940 Yeah, this is lot 21 here. 383 00:17:41,940 --> 00:17:44,880 This provides some parking. 384 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,670 But no distinction has been made, is it student, faculty, 385 00:17:47,670 --> 00:17:48,279 or staff? 386 00:17:48,279 --> 00:17:51,019 One thing to understand, if we make it for student parking, 387 00:17:51,019 --> 00:17:52,200 faculty staff with their 388 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,960 permit can downgrade to park in that same spot. 389 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:55,960 You just... 390 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:56,960 You can't upgrade your parking. 391 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:02,650 So it really depends on the needs in that lot or are the 392 00:18:02,650 --> 00:18:06,059 folks that are going over there 393 00:18:06,059 --> 00:18:09,720 going to take away the parking that I have. 394 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:14,769 Student parking and whatnot, I have plenty of parking on 395 00:18:14,769 --> 00:18:15,759 campus. 396 00:18:15,759 --> 00:18:18,849 Contrary to what you hear, it may not be where you want it, 397 00:18:18,849 --> 00:18:19,880 but I've got it. 398 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:20,880 And so we provide... 399 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,289 And I'm glad Jim's here because we provide upwards of 47, 400 00:18:24,289 --> 00:18:26,240 000 hours of bus service to 401 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,609 help people move in and around campus so that they can go 402 00:18:29,609 --> 00:18:31,599 to the remote parking areas and 403 00:18:31,599 --> 00:18:32,599 then get to it. 404 00:18:32,599 --> 00:18:35,599 But we've not had an actual distinction in terms of the 405 00:18:35,599 --> 00:18:36,759 type of parking. 406 00:18:36,759 --> 00:18:41,200 I will tell you that just north of Wilshire by the PD is 407 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:42,759 faculty staff. 408 00:18:42,759 --> 00:18:46,190 So it's currently faculty staff parking, so it's not 409 00:18:46,190 --> 00:18:47,559 student parking. 410 00:18:47,559 --> 00:18:48,559 Just so... 411 00:18:48,559 --> 00:18:49,559 Sorry, did you have a follow-up? 412 00:18:49,559 --> 00:18:50,559 Go ahead. 413 00:18:50,559 --> 00:18:51,559 I was just trying to understand, so you have... 414 00:18:51,559 --> 00:18:52,119 There's like three sides of parking there that when you 415 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:52,559 remove or eliminate the ability 416 00:18:52,559 --> 00:18:53,180 for those cars that are currently there to park there and 417 00:18:53,180 --> 00:18:53,559 then put the administrators 418 00:18:53,559 --> 00:18:54,160 or the faculty or whatever the permits you're going to put 419 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:54,559 in there, you're going to have 420 00:18:54,559 --> 00:18:55,559 a lot of the same issues. 421 00:18:55,559 --> 00:18:56,170 With the exception of the student parking, the parking is 422 00:18:56,170 --> 00:18:56,559 going to be a lot more difficult 423 00:18:56,559 --> 00:18:57,559 to get in there. 424 00:18:57,559 --> 00:18:58,559 So it's not going to be a lot of parking. 425 00:18:58,559 --> 00:18:59,559 It's going to be more of a parking. 426 00:18:59,559 --> 00:19:00,559 So it's not going to be a lot of parking. 427 00:19:00,559 --> 00:19:01,559 It's going to be a lot of parking. 428 00:19:01,559 --> 00:19:09,640 So it's not going to be a lot of parking. 429 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,839 So part of what we do, and Central is a good example if you 430 00:19:11,839 --> 00:19:13,240 're by there, we actually work 431 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:17,480 with the city to line out what that should be striped. 432 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,240 The clearances, you heard Preetem talk about the side 433 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:21,940 angles as you approach the curb, 434 00:19:21,940 --> 00:19:25,750 and we enforce that so that folks can properly navigate the 435 00:19:25,750 --> 00:19:26,440 roads. 436 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:30,299 I think the emergency access and egress is something that 437 00:19:30,299 --> 00:19:32,480 is, I think, not just who gets 438 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,859 to park there, but crucially cleaning that up so that those 439 00:19:35,859 --> 00:19:37,440 folks can get in and around 440 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:41,880 safely because I'm telling you, I see two cars, and I talk 441 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,000 to students when I see them, 442 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:48,519 and they've got this notion that if I'm over the line, it's 443 00:19:48,519 --> 00:19:49,279 okay. 444 00:19:49,279 --> 00:19:51,730 And so they're front bumpers over the line, but you have to 445 00:19:51,730 --> 00:19:53,000 kind of tell them you've got 446 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,079 to be between the lines, not over the line. 447 00:19:56,079 --> 00:19:59,009 And so it creates a lot of issues, and Jim can talk to that 448 00:19:59,009 --> 00:20:00,279 as well as far as taking 449 00:20:00,279 --> 00:20:03,210 a bus through campus and some of the challenges that you 450 00:20:03,210 --> 00:20:04,240 have with that. 451 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:09,980 So hopefully it would clean that up and provide a better 452 00:20:09,980 --> 00:20:13,920 experience for the area, and as well 453 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,480 as the incidental uses of folks coming up and down. 454 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:18,480 Thank you. 455 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:19,839 Yes, sir, you're welcome. 456 00:20:19,839 --> 00:20:23,289 Just curious, what is, this is just a related issue, 457 00:20:23,289 --> 00:20:25,599 obviously, because we have a lot of 458 00:20:25,599 --> 00:20:28,279 people wanting to park in a small amount of space. 459 00:20:28,279 --> 00:20:31,210 That's always, every college campus has that, but I agree, 460 00:20:31,210 --> 00:20:33,200 sometimes the problem is exaggerated. 461 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,599 I was at TWU before UNT, and I could find parking on the 462 00:20:36,599 --> 00:20:38,920 days I needed to without problem, 463 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,640 but that's just my experience. 464 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,769 But is there, so has UNT been working with the city, any, 465 00:20:44,769 --> 00:20:47,119 to try to encourage alternative 466 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:48,400 ways to get to campus? 467 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,529 And is there some more, there's obviously a lot of bike 468 00:20:52,529 --> 00:20:54,720 racks on campus, and they're 469 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,349 used, I mean it's actually jam-packed, it's pretty 470 00:20:57,349 --> 00:20:58,920 impressive how many people are biking 471 00:20:58,920 --> 00:20:59,920 to campus. 472 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:02,420 Is there anything else to encourage faculty and students to 473 00:21:02,420 --> 00:21:03,039 not drive? 474 00:21:03,039 --> 00:21:07,309 So that's a good question, and yes, our department is all 475 00:21:07,309 --> 00:21:10,880 things, not just parking, but all things 476 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,119 related to moving about. 477 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:18,440 I'd like to think that this last year we worked pretty well 478 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,799 with the city on our bike share 479 00:21:20,799 --> 00:21:23,279 that we just launched with the start of school. 480 00:21:23,279 --> 00:21:28,039 We're partnering with VeoRide to provide that service. 481 00:21:28,039 --> 00:21:31,569 We're actually working with them through the city to get 482 00:21:31,569 --> 00:21:35,119 their application done, so that's, 483 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,420 three weeks into it has been well received on campus, so we 484 00:21:38,420 --> 00:21:40,000 'd like to see that mature 485 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,839 out into the city, but we've got an agreement there. 486 00:21:43,839 --> 00:21:45,720 We're part of the small area plan. 487 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,339 We've been working with the Oak Gateway neighborhood on 488 00:21:49,339 --> 00:21:49,920 that. 489 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,759 I think there's a lot of good work to come out of that. 490 00:21:53,759 --> 00:21:55,640 We're working with DCTA. 491 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:59,960 We have a promotion now whereby students, faculty, and 492 00:21:59,960 --> 00:22:02,319 staff with their ID can now ride 493 00:22:02,319 --> 00:22:04,319 the A train for no cost. 494 00:22:04,319 --> 00:22:08,200 You can actually get off at Med Park and take the bus into 495 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:09,079 campus. 496 00:22:09,079 --> 00:22:12,170 You can now go to the downtown transfer center, catch route 497 00:22:12,170 --> 00:22:14,119 eight, and pretty much go directly 498 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:15,759 to campus. 499 00:22:15,759 --> 00:22:18,390 We've made some changes on the bus service route six this 500 00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:19,000 last year. 501 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,839 Now connects with Discovery Park. 502 00:22:20,839 --> 00:22:24,450 We have faculty, staff, and students who are now utilizing 503 00:22:24,450 --> 00:22:26,039 the train and the bus to go 504 00:22:26,039 --> 00:22:29,779 directly to the final destination instead of having to come 505 00:22:29,779 --> 00:22:31,480 to campus and transfer. 506 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,609 I think there's a lot of partnerships that we're looking at 507 00:22:35,609 --> 00:22:37,559 above and beyond just internal 508 00:22:37,559 --> 00:22:38,559 to campus. 509 00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:42,559 I think that partnership with the city is important for us. 510 00:22:42,559 --> 00:22:45,490 As Preeten mentioned, we were here last year looking at 511 00:22:45,490 --> 00:22:46,200 Central. 512 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,640 I think that has worked out real well. 513 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:53,930 So I think from a departmental level, we're certainly 514 00:22:53,930 --> 00:22:55,599 working well. 515 00:22:55,599 --> 00:22:56,599 They know who we are. 516 00:22:56,599 --> 00:22:57,599 We know who they are. 517 00:22:57,599 --> 00:23:01,720 We communicate frequently. 518 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,880 On the overall big picture, we have quarterly meetings with 519 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,519 the UNT management. 520 00:23:07,519 --> 00:23:10,319 As part of that, over the last year or so, we've 521 00:23:10,319 --> 00:23:13,079 coordinated with them to better understand 522 00:23:13,079 --> 00:23:17,309 the campus master plan for their facilities as well as the 523 00:23:17,309 --> 00:23:19,759 overall transportation plan. 524 00:23:19,759 --> 00:23:22,970 A lot of the elements within the transportation plan are 525 00:23:22,970 --> 00:23:25,279 more focused and geared toward moving 526 00:23:25,279 --> 00:23:29,490 people, pedestrian and bike access, and getting cars out of 527 00:23:29,490 --> 00:23:31,599 the campus area and situating 528 00:23:31,599 --> 00:23:34,440 them in parking lots that are on the fringe. 529 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,589 So we're looking at some options of closing some of the 530 00:23:38,589 --> 00:23:40,000 streets also. 531 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,710 Once we get through the study, we'll bring it to the 532 00:23:43,710 --> 00:23:45,960 commission and discuss it. 533 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:50,130 But we're going through a joint study effort where both UNT 534 00:23:50,130 --> 00:23:52,160 and city are participating 535 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,000 in getting it actively complete. 536 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,000 I've seen some... 537 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,000 Oh, I'm sorry. 538 00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,000 I just wanted to follow up on that. 539 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,599 DCTA, I know they're free until January. 540 00:24:01,599 --> 00:24:02,599 That was the deal. 541 00:24:02,599 --> 00:24:03,599 So what happens in January? 542 00:24:03,599 --> 00:24:04,599 Does it go to that... 543 00:24:04,599 --> 00:24:06,319 I've been a little confused about the pricing. 544 00:24:06,319 --> 00:24:08,509 I thought I understood it and then it's been a little 545 00:24:08,509 --> 00:24:10,279 confusing about it because previously 546 00:24:10,279 --> 00:24:13,009 there was a two hour option and that could get you into 547 00:24:13,009 --> 00:24:14,440 Dallas places if you're going 548 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,480 one way pretty well. 549 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,779 And I thought it was gone, but then I saw it back on the 550 00:24:18,779 --> 00:24:20,279 app and so I'm a little confused 551 00:24:20,279 --> 00:24:21,599 because that makes a big difference. 552 00:24:21,599 --> 00:24:24,380 If you have to pay for the full day, it's like 12 bucks now 553 00:24:24,380 --> 00:24:25,599 , whereas I could get to 554 00:24:25,599 --> 00:24:27,240 Dallas previously for five. 555 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,200 So I was trying to figure that out. 556 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:34,519 So I can't speak to the interlocals between the fare zones. 557 00:24:34,519 --> 00:24:39,779 I can't tell you that the UNT student ID card will get you 558 00:24:39,779 --> 00:24:43,000 on any DCTA service with showing 559 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,200 that card through the fee arrangement that we have with DC 560 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:47,720 TA. 561 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,240 Once you get into DART or into the Fort Worth area, then 562 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:51,839 you've got to pay the respective 563 00:24:51,839 --> 00:24:56,400 fare there unless you buy a regional pass. 564 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,529 And my understanding is it's better to buy it here locally 565 00:25:00,529 --> 00:25:02,480 and then use that all over. 566 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:07,509 So it's not the seamless that we'd like to see, but I think 567 00:25:07,509 --> 00:25:09,400 it's a step in the right 568 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:10,400 way. 569 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,990 What happens after January I think will determine what 570 00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:16,720 happens with ridership and that through 571 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,960 the promotion. 572 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:25,509 I noticed your signs on the freeway directing people that 573 00:25:25,509 --> 00:25:28,319 they could park at Med Park. 574 00:25:28,319 --> 00:25:31,559 So I thought that's the first year I've seen that. 575 00:25:31,559 --> 00:25:34,390 And I thought that was a really good idea for people who 576 00:25:34,390 --> 00:25:36,039 are sitting there, you know, 577 00:25:36,039 --> 00:25:37,039 stuck in traffic. 578 00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:38,039 Well, thank you. 579 00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:41,319 That's actually the second year we've done this. 580 00:25:41,319 --> 00:25:44,079 The idea was to give people kind of a heads up before they 581 00:25:44,079 --> 00:25:45,559 everybody has an idea where 582 00:25:45,559 --> 00:25:49,690 they want to go park, but they don't have a plan B. And so 583 00:25:49,690 --> 00:25:51,119 the signs on the road were 584 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,079 a way to just say, hey, go here. 585 00:25:54,079 --> 00:25:59,839 And folks, it's interesting to watch people's habits, 586 00:25:59,839 --> 00:26:03,519 especially when we have what is more 587 00:26:03,519 --> 00:26:04,640 remote. 588 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,240 I can park you remotely and get you to class faster than if 589 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:09,240 you want to. 590 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,720 Some people just want to circle a lot just to circle. 591 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,849 And it was just an attempt to kind of help raise some 592 00:26:15,849 --> 00:26:16,799 awareness. 593 00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:20,099 Go here, go there instead of where you think you were going 594 00:26:20,099 --> 00:26:21,960 to say these lots were full. 595 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,839 So you know, did it help? 596 00:26:23,839 --> 00:26:26,759 I don't know if it helped one person, then it helped. 597 00:26:26,759 --> 00:26:30,049 But at least the awareness is there to hit him before they 598 00:26:30,049 --> 00:26:31,599 get into town. 599 00:26:31,599 --> 00:26:32,599 Yeah. 600 00:26:32,599 --> 00:26:35,839 And the Textile Project helped it. 601 00:26:35,839 --> 00:26:36,839 Yeah. 602 00:26:36,839 --> 00:26:37,839 Yeah. 603 00:26:37,839 --> 00:26:38,839 Yeah. 604 00:26:38,839 --> 00:26:39,839 You did. 605 00:26:39,839 --> 00:26:42,579 And you know, this is the second year we've done the 606 00:26:42,579 --> 00:26:44,319 promotion with DCTA at Med Park. 607 00:26:44,319 --> 00:26:47,279 And we appreciate that partnership where folks that works 608 00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:49,000 for them, they can go there, park, 609 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,119 go to they don't have to buy a permit. 610 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,880 When I took classes at UNT, I did not fund the department. 611 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,799 I did free parking on Oak and Hickory. 612 00:26:55,799 --> 00:26:56,799 It worked for me. 613 00:26:56,799 --> 00:26:58,599 I never got tickets either. 614 00:26:58,599 --> 00:27:03,329 But, but, you know, just giving people options that that 615 00:27:03,329 --> 00:27:05,559 really meet their needs. 616 00:27:05,559 --> 00:27:08,349 And a lot has changed, especially if you've seen in the 617 00:27:08,349 --> 00:27:10,400 last few years with online education, 618 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,599 a lot of people are coming to campus less frequently. 619 00:27:12,599 --> 00:27:15,039 Therefore, they don't see the value in a permit. 620 00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:18,140 So that's why we do the park mobiles and some of the other 621 00:27:18,140 --> 00:27:20,079 options for hourly parking, that 622 00:27:20,079 --> 00:27:22,480 if you're there, you know, a handful of times during the 623 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,119 semester, that's probably the best 624 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:25,599 value for you. 625 00:27:25,599 --> 00:27:28,529 Unfortunately, as an auxiliary unit of the university, you 626 00:27:28,529 --> 00:27:29,759 know, we have to we have to 627 00:27:29,759 --> 00:27:32,839 raise our own funds to provide for the services. 628 00:27:32,839 --> 00:27:35,559 We're not funded through any tuition or fees. 629 00:27:35,559 --> 00:27:39,369 So so we have to we have to fight for that crazy dollar to 630 00:27:39,369 --> 00:27:41,359 to provide the resources that 631 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:42,359 people want. 632 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:43,359 So 633 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,779 one more question is there going to be on street handic 634 00:27:46,779 --> 00:27:49,880 apped parking for the by the admin building? 635 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,079 There will be parking in the building or in the lot. 636 00:27:53,079 --> 00:27:56,440 Yeah, there'll be accessible parking in the lot. 637 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,519 But nothing on street. 638 00:27:58,519 --> 00:28:00,680 Not unless it's required or called for. 639 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,960 So I don't have I don't have too much accessible parking. 640 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,720 It's all in the lots is where that's at. 641 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:13,119 So I haven't seen a need yet on campus that we haven't been 642 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,119 able to meet in a lot. 643 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,059 So and that's both kinds of parking, both just the 644 00:28:19,059 --> 00:28:21,359 accessible and the van accessible. 645 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:26,240 So and we have we work we have an office of disability that 646 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,440 guides us and telling us, 647 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,440 you know, where we need to provide and do that. 648 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,720 So between those two partnerships with the city and with 649 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,119 them, we look to provide those 650 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:36,119 those resources. 651 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,119 Thank you. 652 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,119 Yes, sir. 653 00:28:38,119 --> 00:28:39,119 You ready for a motion? 654 00:28:39,119 --> 00:28:40,119 Thank you. 655 00:28:40,119 --> 00:28:41,119 Thank you. 656 00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:42,119 Is there any other discussion? 657 00:28:42,119 --> 00:28:48,119 Everybody happy with questions and the answers? 658 00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:49,119 OK. 659 00:28:49,119 --> 00:28:56,769 I'll make a motion that we accept the staff recommendation 660 00:28:56,769 --> 00:28:59,640 and pass this test. 661 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,000 You know, 31. 662 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:10,680 OK, we have a motion to recommend to we have a second. 663 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:15,250 OK, and we'll vote everyone who is in favor of accepting 664 00:29:15,250 --> 00:29:17,920 this recommendation moving it 665 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:18,920 forward. 666 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:19,920 They I. 667 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:20,920 I. 668 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:21,920 Anyone opposed? 669 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:22,920 OK, unanimous. 670 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:23,920 Just for the minutes, I can't vote. 671 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:24,920 OK, I wasn't sworn in. 672 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:25,920 All right. 673 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:26,920 No voting from you. 674 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:27,920 All right. 675 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:28,920 Me too. 676 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:29,920 Oh, OK. 677 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:30,920 Thank you. 678 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:31,920 There's four of us. 679 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:40,920 Yes. 680 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:54,480 OK, that brings us to item one C, which is TSC 18-032. 681 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,220 Receive a report, hold a discussion and make a 682 00:29:57,220 --> 00:29:59,240 recommendation to city council for approval 683 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,119 of an interlocal agreement with University of North Texas 684 00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:05,640 regarding traffic signal operation 685 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,769 during UNT special events and upgrading traffic signal 686 00:30:09,769 --> 00:30:12,720 equipment at four intersections within 687 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,880 the city of Denton. 688 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,559 All right. 689 00:30:16,559 --> 00:30:20,250 Again, starting up with maps and these are the four 690 00:30:20,250 --> 00:30:22,920 locations mentioned, but a little 691 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:23,920 bit of background. 692 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,019 As I mentioned and alluded to in the previous item, we 693 00:30:27,019 --> 00:30:29,160 started coordinating real closely 694 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,500 with UNT staff and upper management a little over a year 695 00:30:33,500 --> 00:30:34,119 ago. 696 00:30:34,119 --> 00:30:36,960 I think it was May 2017. 697 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,769 And through some of those discussions, we really understood 698 00:30:40,769 --> 00:30:42,759 or we were trying to understand 699 00:30:42,759 --> 00:30:47,460 the needs for the campus as well as our master plan and the 700 00:30:47,460 --> 00:30:50,119 city's infrastructure within 701 00:30:50,119 --> 00:30:51,839 this area. 702 00:30:51,839 --> 00:30:57,059 And what we found out that there was a request from the 703 00:30:57,059 --> 00:31:00,359 police department at UNT to help 704 00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:04,720 them operate some of these signals during special events. 705 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:09,740 Currently, they have police officers manning North Texas 706 00:31:09,740 --> 00:31:13,039 Boulevard at 35E as well as Bonnie 707 00:31:13,039 --> 00:31:17,400 Bray at 35E Furnage Roads. 708 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,519 You have seen in the last couple of years, I think that it 709 00:31:20,519 --> 00:31:22,160 has grown from being a small 710 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,299 puny intersection at North Texas to this huge giant four 711 00:31:26,299 --> 00:31:28,720 lane in each side, but then six 712 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,960 lane on the bridge. 713 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,559 And it becomes quite a task for officers. 714 00:31:33,559 --> 00:31:36,559 The number of officers requires pretty high. 715 00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:39,720 And talk a little bit of events. 716 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:46,440 They currently have UNT hosts between 40 to 50 events a 717 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:47,400 year. 718 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,660 These are the larger kinds, about 27 high school gradu 719 00:31:51,660 --> 00:31:52,920 ations in May. 720 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:57,569 Then we're talking about 20 UNT, half of them in May, half 721 00:31:57,569 --> 00:31:59,299 of them in December. 722 00:31:59,299 --> 00:32:01,359 Six football games, those are huge. 723 00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:04,099 There might be more if they get into some kind of 724 00:32:04,099 --> 00:32:04,720 competition. 725 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,420 And then about five high school games, up to five high 726 00:32:08,420 --> 00:32:10,240 school games in a year. 727 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:11,839 And one dent and fire show. 728 00:32:11,839 --> 00:32:14,440 I mean, that's a big event too. 729 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,569 So with all these events happening every year, they 730 00:32:18,569 --> 00:32:21,599 approach the city and request, what's 731 00:32:21,599 --> 00:32:22,960 an alternative? 732 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,200 What can we do? 733 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,640 How can we get officers off of these intersections, 734 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,259 especially dealing events? 735 00:32:31,259 --> 00:32:33,079 And how can we better manage it? 736 00:32:33,079 --> 00:32:38,000 And part of the solution that was agreed upon is city would 737 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,319 jump in and help or provide 738 00:32:40,319 --> 00:32:43,920 staff help during the event. 739 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,140 So when we started reviewing what the conditions of the 740 00:32:47,140 --> 00:32:49,599 signals were, we required some upgrades 741 00:32:49,599 --> 00:32:53,970 to actually be able to do that with a considerable less 742 00:32:53,970 --> 00:32:56,200 number of technicians. 743 00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:01,779 So we're requesting that this partnership between UNT and 744 00:33:01,779 --> 00:33:05,480 city upgrades these four intersections 745 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,039 with cameras that we can watch the traffic with signal 746 00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:11,160 equipment that we can actually 747 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:15,000 talk to remotely from a traffic management center and 748 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,559 change the signal timing, change 749 00:33:17,559 --> 00:33:19,039 the phasing. 750 00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:25,150 So part of the item here is to provide for partnering with 751 00:33:25,150 --> 00:33:28,480 UNT and upgrade the equipment 752 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:29,940 of these signals. 753 00:33:29,940 --> 00:33:36,049 The second portion is whenever these events come up, city 754 00:33:36,049 --> 00:33:39,359 staff will be on an hourly basis 755 00:33:39,359 --> 00:33:42,799 start working at an agreed upon rate. 756 00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:46,930 There's a rate at the end of the agreement to man these 757 00:33:46,930 --> 00:33:47,599 events. 758 00:33:47,599 --> 00:33:51,019 So there will be one technician out in the street for these 759 00:33:51,019 --> 00:33:52,839 two intersections, one for 760 00:33:52,839 --> 00:33:56,109 this and then one technician up in a traffic management 761 00:33:56,109 --> 00:33:58,400 center where we can remotely control 762 00:33:58,400 --> 00:33:59,660 all of that. 763 00:33:59,660 --> 00:34:02,589 So there will be eyes on the ground initially as we try and 764 00:34:02,589 --> 00:34:04,099 figure out how these signals 765 00:34:04,099 --> 00:34:06,359 are functioning, how they're operating. 766 00:34:06,359 --> 00:34:09,559 And slowly once we get a hang and feel of it, we can go 767 00:34:09,559 --> 00:34:11,400 back more remotely with just 768 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,840 the cameras zooming and tilting and then operating these 769 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,360 signal timings. 770 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:22,010 So primarily the operation needs to be operated when people 771 00:34:22,010 --> 00:34:25,199 are coming in, which is approximately 772 00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:29,329 half hour to 45 minutes before the event, a little bit of 773 00:34:29,329 --> 00:34:31,440 trickle after that, and then 774 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,039 right after the event ends about half hour to an hour. 775 00:34:35,039 --> 00:34:39,920 So we're talking about that kind of time for every event. 776 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:44,679 And financially it's much more feasible for UNT. 777 00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:48,900 They're spending a lot more officer hours out in the field, 778 00:34:48,900 --> 00:34:50,599 a lot more overtime. 779 00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:54,519 So when the discussions begin, we offer the solution. 780 00:34:54,519 --> 00:34:59,559 And Citi is on board helping UNT make it safer through the 781 00:34:59,559 --> 00:35:02,920 events and manage them better, 782 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,639 manage the inflow and outflow of traffic. 783 00:35:05,639 --> 00:35:09,010 And that's why we have this agreement, interlocal agreement 784 00:35:09,010 --> 00:35:09,960 in front of us. 785 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,090 And staff recommends that we move forward with it and 786 00:35:14,090 --> 00:35:16,280 execute the agreement so that 787 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:21,829 it would get the special events traffic situation much more 788 00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:22,840 better. 789 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,039 Any questions? 790 00:35:26,039 --> 00:35:29,920 Excuse me. 791 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:35,679 There was something in the document that I was reading at 792 00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:39,440 home regarding a 30-day period 793 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,679 of notice before cancellation. 794 00:35:42,679 --> 00:35:45,920 Where does the 30-day language come from? 795 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:46,920 I read everything. 796 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:47,920 I'm sorry. 797 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,440 That's a good question. 798 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,239 I think the language, let me actually get to the language, 799 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:54,440 but I think the language 800 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:59,769 was related to if we decide to go this path and if we 801 00:35:59,769 --> 00:36:03,599 upgrade the equipment, and there 802 00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:08,489 was a 90-day clause in here, if we upgrade the equipment 803 00:36:08,489 --> 00:36:11,199 and within 90 days, if UNT does 804 00:36:11,199 --> 00:36:15,090 not pay their share of the cost, which is 50% of upgrades, 805 00:36:15,090 --> 00:36:17,119 then this agreement is invalid 806 00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:20,550 because then we won't move forward with having to help them 807 00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:22,360 because at that point, we went 808 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,050 ahead and spent the money as a city, but we're not getting 809 00:36:26,050 --> 00:36:27,360 reimbursement. 810 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:32,630 It's a way to make sure that our time and investment is, 811 00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:35,559 the agreement is followed. 812 00:36:35,559 --> 00:36:39,679 I think we want a 50-50 partnership. 813 00:36:39,679 --> 00:36:42,639 It's just a better legal way to look at it. 814 00:36:42,639 --> 00:36:43,639 Right? 815 00:36:43,639 --> 00:36:46,639 Can you just make a comment? 816 00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:47,639 Yes, absolutely. 817 00:36:47,639 --> 00:36:51,340 Yeah, I think it's a very important issue, especially since 818 00:36:51,340 --> 00:36:53,039 North Texas continue to win 819 00:36:53,039 --> 00:36:54,039 football games. 820 00:36:54,039 --> 00:36:55,039 I agree. 821 00:36:55,039 --> 00:37:01,519 I also like to make a comment. 822 00:37:01,519 --> 00:37:06,519 I drove Eagle Point, which is the shuttle between the Union 823 00:37:06,519 --> 00:37:08,639 and Apogee Stadium on the 824 00:37:08,639 --> 00:37:13,519 first game with 30,000 people. 825 00:37:13,519 --> 00:37:15,639 We had the backup on the bridge. 826 00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:17,599 We had the backup in the north and south. 827 00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:19,920 It was horrible. 828 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,920 So this is going to help. 829 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:27,079 Any other questions for pre-tem? 830 00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:29,079 Any comments? 831 00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:33,719 Does anybody want to make a motion? 832 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,719 We accept it. 833 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:36,719 Second. 834 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:37,719 Okay. 835 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,800 We have a motion to accept, to approve this. 836 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,599 We have a second. 837 00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:45,599 And do we have a vote? 838 00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:47,599 Everyone in favor? 839 00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:48,599 Aye. 840 00:37:48,599 --> 00:37:49,599 Okay. 841 00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:50,599 That's all of us. 842 00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:51,599 All right. 843 00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:54,079 Okay. 844 00:37:54,079 --> 00:38:00,599 That brings us to item 1D, which is TSC 18-033, which is to 845 00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:04,239 receive a report, hold discussion, 846 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:08,369 and make a recommendation to City Council for restricting 847 00:38:08,369 --> 00:38:10,159 eastbound right turn on Red 848 00:38:10,159 --> 00:38:16,039 on Robinson Road at FM 2499 in order to improve safety. 849 00:38:16,039 --> 00:38:17,920 All right. 850 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:22,159 So again, back to the map, and this is where we're at. 851 00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:26,320 Brand new road, 2499, just wrapping up construction. 852 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,760 This was the last piece that was installed, a brand new 853 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,239 traffic signal at Robinson in 854 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:34,519 2499. 855 00:38:34,519 --> 00:38:38,789 When this road was designed, it was designed within 856 00:38:38,789 --> 00:38:42,239 residential neighborhoods, and I think 857 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,170 the way it was laid out was pretty restrained as to what 858 00:38:45,170 --> 00:38:46,800 kind of right of way they would 859 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,599 get. 860 00:38:48,599 --> 00:38:53,469 Fairly has its share of number of horizontal and vertical 861 00:38:53,469 --> 00:38:55,760 curves given the grades. 862 00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:01,630 So there are certain segments within the street that has 863 00:39:01,630 --> 00:39:05,480 huge, you can see here, huge sound 864 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,610 walls, especially for someone's backyard backing into the 865 00:39:09,610 --> 00:39:12,079 street with that kind of expected 866 00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:16,519 traffic volumes, text-on design sound walls for everyone, 867 00:39:16,519 --> 00:39:18,480 and I think it's up and down 868 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:19,480 the corridor. 869 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,019 If you actually drive the corridor, it goes all the way 870 00:39:23,019 --> 00:39:26,079 south up until it reaches FM 2181. 871 00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:30,449 And what has resulted in the restricted area for them to 872 00:39:30,449 --> 00:39:33,599 design and implement this particular 873 00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:37,280 arterial is the limited amount of side distance that is 874 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,199 available at some of the intersections. 875 00:39:40,199 --> 00:39:45,070 I think Robinson Road is one of them, but there's another 876 00:39:45,070 --> 00:39:47,400 one at Hickory Creek, and 877 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,969 Text-Dot, the city has worked with Text-Dot to temporarily 878 00:39:50,969 --> 00:39:52,599 block the right lane so that 879 00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:56,289 people can actually make the right out of Hickory Creek 880 00:39:56,289 --> 00:39:56,920 Road. 881 00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:01,469 But this is a similar situation, and I have some pictures 882 00:40:01,469 --> 00:40:03,840 that Sarah took while she was 883 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:10,480 out there, and if only I can open it. 884 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,300 And this will help you understand what I'm talking about as 885 00:40:13,300 --> 00:40:14,440 far as if you are at the 886 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,960 stop bar, and she's even past that crossing area for 887 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,559 pedestrians, you can barely see that. 888 00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:25,349 This is the car in the last lane, which is the first 889 00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:27,159 vehicle that's going to show up 890 00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:34,719 when you move in, and it's barely 100, 150 feet at 50 miles 891 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,039 an hour, this is not a good 892 00:40:37,039 --> 00:40:38,239 enough side distance. 893 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,329 You can see way back there, but that doesn't help who's 894 00:40:41,329 --> 00:40:43,039 hiding behind this curve. 895 00:40:43,039 --> 00:40:46,619 And you have to almost, let me show you another one, you 896 00:40:46,619 --> 00:40:48,840 have, so this is where the actual 897 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:49,840 line is. 898 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:54,280 So if you stand back and not even scoot over and cringe 899 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,360 over, this is what you're seeing. 900 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,039 And this becomes a hazard. 901 00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:04,909 I have received multiple complaints even, I think, from one 902 00:41:04,909 --> 00:41:07,440 of our police department officers. 903 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,920 He was afraid for his daughter to make these turns. 904 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:15,900 And I was out there, we've talked to Text-Dot, and the 905 00:41:15,900 --> 00:41:19,280 immediate fix at this point, since 906 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,780 this is private property, retaining wall, sound wall, 907 00:41:23,780 --> 00:41:26,599 pretty expensive affair, the best 908 00:41:26,599 --> 00:41:31,119 thing is to just have not people turn on red. 909 00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:34,639 And the signal circles pretty fast, so if it doesn't pick 910 00:41:34,639 --> 00:41:37,000 up traffic on FM 2499, it'll 911 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,719 circle back to Robinson. 912 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:43,159 So it's not a big weight behind anyone that really wants to 913 00:41:43,159 --> 00:41:45,920 make that right turn movement. 914 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,500 That's why for all these reasons that you really don't have 915 00:41:49,500 --> 00:41:51,639 the line of sight to make a safe 916 00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:56,110 call to get, to turn right from the eastbound direction 917 00:41:56,110 --> 00:41:59,360 onto southbound on FM 2499. 918 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:05,280 So staff recommends that we restrict this movement during 919 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,880 the red phase on Robinson 920 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,039 so that people are not really slipping in. 921 00:42:10,039 --> 00:42:14,159 When they have green, they can definitely move forward. 922 00:42:14,159 --> 00:42:15,159 Any questions? 923 00:42:15,159 --> 00:42:19,480 What's the speed limit on Robinson? 924 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,800 I believe Robinson is pretty low. 925 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:26,239 It is in the 30 or 35, one of those, because it goes from a 926 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,199 two lane, just opens up here 927 00:42:28,199 --> 00:42:29,199 and then... 928 00:42:29,199 --> 00:42:30,199 Okay. 929 00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:32,119 So it is in the 30, 35 range. 930 00:42:32,119 --> 00:42:33,119 It's not even 40. 931 00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:34,119 Okay. 932 00:42:34,119 --> 00:42:37,280 And then what's the speed limit on 2499? 933 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,920 Text-Dot is still deciding that. 934 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:39,920 Oh, okay. 935 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,539 They conducted some surveys and they have initial data. 936 00:42:43,539 --> 00:42:46,469 It's around the 45 range, but we're reviewing and going 937 00:42:46,469 --> 00:42:47,840 back and forth with tech. 938 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:52,570 Given the terrain and the horizontal vertical curves, we 939 00:42:52,570 --> 00:42:55,039 wanted to make sure that we put 940 00:42:55,039 --> 00:42:57,000 a place to write speed limit. 941 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:03,679 They want 50. 942 00:43:03,679 --> 00:43:07,400 How long has that sound wall been there? 943 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:08,400 A few months. 944 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:09,400 Oh, okay. 945 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,530 Yeah, I think December is when they wrapped up most of the 946 00:43:13,530 --> 00:43:14,679 construction. 947 00:43:14,679 --> 00:43:17,760 I believe in the last year or so, the sound wall was... 948 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:23,320 You can see, this is probably 2018 Google data. 949 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:28,079 It's still under construction, so earlier this year. 950 00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:33,409 Do we have any development code guidelines for how tall 951 00:43:33,409 --> 00:43:36,280 sound walls can be in the city 952 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:37,280 of Denton? 953 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,679 I mean, will this get to be a problem in other 954 00:43:40,679 --> 00:43:44,679 neighborhoods that we can avert it now before? 955 00:43:44,679 --> 00:43:45,800 Correct. 956 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,929 We are going through, as we mentioned a little bit earlier, 957 00:43:49,929 --> 00:43:51,960 growing pains in the city. 958 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:56,110 That means currently, our arterials are not backed up to 959 00:43:56,110 --> 00:43:58,280 someone's neighborhood. 960 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,739 We're not designing our tills after the fact, but sound 961 00:44:01,739 --> 00:44:04,199 wall is something that has definitely 962 00:44:04,199 --> 00:44:07,440 been brought up by some of the council members. 963 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,179 As our projects move forward, we're coming with designs, 964 00:44:10,179 --> 00:44:11,559 but definitely we'll look at 965 00:44:11,559 --> 00:44:13,559 corner side distance on some of them. 966 00:44:13,559 --> 00:44:14,559 You're right. 967 00:44:14,559 --> 00:44:17,809 I mean, moving forward, we need to have some kind of design 968 00:44:17,809 --> 00:44:19,400 guidance on that, but this 969 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,920 is a textile facility. 970 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,239 Right. 971 00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:24,480 Yeah. 972 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:29,599 Sometimes, if there will be a need for sound walls, we may 973 00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:32,320 need a bigger easement so they 974 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:33,320 set back. 975 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:34,320 We have some clips set backs. 976 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:35,320 Yeah. 977 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:39,650 Did there have been a number of accidents at this 978 00:44:39,650 --> 00:44:41,360 intersection? 979 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,599 I can find that number out, but to my knowledge, there have 980 00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:46,320 not been that many because the 981 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,760 signal was not opened until recently. 982 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,039 It was always stopped. 983 00:44:51,039 --> 00:44:54,320 That means everyone really had to come to a complete stop. 984 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:55,320 That was a good thing. 985 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,449 The minute the signal opened, we started noticing and we 986 00:44:59,449 --> 00:45:01,920 started getting the complaints that 987 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,309 we might and visibility is not, so we're trying to act as 988 00:45:05,309 --> 00:45:07,159 fast as we can and get it ahead 989 00:45:07,159 --> 00:45:12,440 of anything happening here that's serious. 990 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,710 If it's recommended, we'll move forward with the council 991 00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:16,039 and then immediately implement 992 00:45:16,039 --> 00:45:17,039 it. 993 00:45:17,039 --> 00:45:22,039 It is four lane at that point? 994 00:45:22,039 --> 00:45:23,039 Two going? 995 00:45:23,039 --> 00:45:24,039 Correct. 996 00:45:24,039 --> 00:45:25,039 Robinson is four lane. 997 00:45:25,039 --> 00:45:26,039 Okay. 998 00:45:26,039 --> 00:45:27,039 Anybody have questions? 999 00:45:27,039 --> 00:45:32,039 Concerns? comments? 1000 00:45:32,039 --> 00:45:39,039 I'll make a motion to recommend the staff recommendation. 1001 00:45:39,039 --> 00:45:40,039 Okay. 1002 00:45:40,039 --> 00:45:45,039 We have a motion for approval. 1003 00:45:45,039 --> 00:45:48,039 We have a second and do we have a vote? 1004 00:45:48,039 --> 00:45:50,039 Everyone in favor? 1005 00:45:50,039 --> 00:45:51,039 Yes. 1006 00:45:51,039 --> 00:45:52,039 Okay. 1007 00:45:52,039 --> 00:45:54,039 Once again, moving forward. 1008 00:45:54,039 --> 00:46:00,599 That is going to bring us to one E, TSC 18-034, receive a 1009 00:46:00,599 --> 00:46:04,199 report, hold a discussion and make 1010 00:46:04,199 --> 00:46:07,300 a recommendation to city council for approval of an 1011 00:46:07,300 --> 00:46:09,760 amendment for surface transportation 1012 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,539 system project agreement for traffic signals, state 1013 00:46:13,539 --> 00:46:16,239 contracted and with the municipality 1014 00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:21,789 providing limited materials and or labor and or equipment 1015 00:46:21,789 --> 00:46:25,039 at the intersection of I-35E 1016 00:46:25,039 --> 00:46:28,119 and Brinker Road. 1017 00:46:28,119 --> 00:46:31,590 We specifically worded to make it difficult so that by the 1018 00:46:31,590 --> 00:46:33,519 time we get there, like, all 1019 00:46:33,519 --> 00:46:34,800 right, we're done. 1020 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:40,139 On this project, this is a, I wouldn't say it's an after 1021 00:46:40,139 --> 00:46:43,199 thought, but it's definitely 1022 00:46:43,199 --> 00:46:45,760 something has happened to put it that way. 1023 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:52,440 I-35E project went in with a widening project without 1024 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,920 really having Brinker Road underpass 1025 00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,960 as part of their original project. 1026 00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:02,010 It was just have to do with the timing where this 1027 00:47:02,010 --> 00:47:03,880 particular development, which is the 1028 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:08,750 Buc-E's, they came in slightly behind when I-35 widening 1029 00:47:08,750 --> 00:47:10,639 was already underway. 1030 00:47:10,639 --> 00:47:14,380 Once they came in, TechStop felt the need that we need to 1031 00:47:14,380 --> 00:47:16,079 do something about it. 1032 00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:19,179 If that connection is going to happen, then we have to look 1033 00:47:19,179 --> 00:47:20,639 at this connection as well 1034 00:47:20,639 --> 00:47:25,119 as down here if we need some improvements. 1035 00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:28,050 That was a second project that came about to existence, 1036 00:47:28,050 --> 00:47:30,239 which is currently under construction. 1037 00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,079 AGL wrapped up the big I-35 project. 1038 00:47:33,079 --> 00:47:36,500 They left town, but we never saw anyone leave because this 1039 00:47:36,500 --> 00:47:38,199 project was still going on or 1040 00:47:38,199 --> 00:47:41,119 picked up even before AGL left. 1041 00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:45,989 This is a TechStop project, second project, that comprises 1042 00:47:45,989 --> 00:47:49,280 of Loop 288 interchange upgrade, 1043 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,570 which they're actually pretty close to putting the bridge 1044 00:47:53,570 --> 00:47:55,039 down on one side. 1045 00:47:55,039 --> 00:47:59,039 Brinker interchange, which will connect Brinker underpass. 1046 00:47:59,039 --> 00:48:01,559 The freeway will go over. 1047 00:48:01,559 --> 00:48:06,750 The last one would be a U-turn at Mayhill, which they've 1048 00:48:06,750 --> 00:48:09,679 already installed the U-turn, 1049 00:48:09,679 --> 00:48:12,400 Texas U under the bridge. 1050 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,190 What had happened is in that particular project, they 1051 00:48:16,190 --> 00:48:19,440 designed Brinker at the Furnage Road as 1052 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,199 a always stop sign. 1053 00:48:22,199 --> 00:48:25,840 City had to go back, fight it for a little while. 1054 00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:30,000 Then finally everyone realized it's not going to work. 1055 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,099 They went into design at a later phase while this project 1056 00:48:33,099 --> 00:48:35,199 had already begun construction. 1057 00:48:35,199 --> 00:48:38,579 Now they're coming back and saying, "Okay, we'll install 1058 00:48:38,579 --> 00:48:39,360 signals." 1059 00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,309 That's why they need this amendment to add the signal 1060 00:48:42,309 --> 00:48:44,480 equipment that the city will provide 1061 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:45,599 TechStop. 1062 00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:48,980 We have some specific equipment that the city recommends in 1063 00:48:48,980 --> 00:48:50,960 order to connect and communicate 1064 00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,199 with different signals. 1065 00:48:53,199 --> 00:48:56,579 That's the equipment that we will provide, and TechStop 1066 00:48:56,579 --> 00:48:58,599 will reimburse for those pieces 1067 00:48:58,599 --> 00:48:59,599 of equipment. 1068 00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:04,769 That's the amendment that was attached to signal 1069 00:49:04,769 --> 00:49:08,639 improvements at Loop 288. 1070 00:49:08,639 --> 00:49:11,920 Staff recommends that we move forward with this and accept 1071 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,719 it so that we can get reimbursed 1072 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:18,480 for the equipment that we're putting in by TechStop. 1073 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,480 Any questions? 1074 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:21,480 Yeah. 1075 00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,480 Excuse me. 1076 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:29,880 I'm curious, what kind of light setup is it going to be? 1077 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,349 Is it going to be exactly like you would have the Lily 1078 00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:35,800 Miller crossing or back down on Mayhill 1079 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,670 as far as it going underneath the highway so you're going 1080 00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:41,000 to have lights? 1081 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,000 Correct. 1082 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:47,690 It would be the same setup as Loop 288, which will have two 1083 00:49:47,690 --> 00:49:50,320 lanes in each direction going 1084 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:55,190 under the pass and then left turn lanes in either direction 1085 00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:55,440 . 1086 00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,440 Both of them will be signalized at the southbound furniture 1087 00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,519 as well as the northbound furniture. 1088 00:50:00,519 --> 00:50:05,409 They'll coordinate the same way the loop signal coordinates 1089 00:50:05,409 --> 00:50:07,480 the different phases. 1090 00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,320 That is also the main entrance to Buc-E's. 1091 00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,170 I think you can actually see that now when you pass by, you 1092 00:50:14,170 --> 00:50:16,119 can see they've already laid 1093 00:50:16,119 --> 00:50:17,320 out the entrance here. 1094 00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,199 It doesn't show up here. 1095 00:50:19,199 --> 00:50:22,320 So the lane entrance is literally at a light? 1096 00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:30,880 Literally this is a cross and this becomes their main 1097 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:35,039 entrance for Buc-E's. 1098 00:50:35,039 --> 00:50:38,039 Do they have multiple exits from Buc-E's? 1099 00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:41,420 They do have access here, back here, and then they have 1100 00:50:41,420 --> 00:50:42,639 another access. 1101 00:50:42,639 --> 00:50:45,320 I think it's right there. 1102 00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:52,460 They have one access back here, but this is the main signal 1103 00:50:52,460 --> 00:50:56,199 ized entrance for Buc-E's. 1104 00:50:56,199 --> 00:50:58,199 So you get funneled right in? 1105 00:50:58,199 --> 00:51:03,360 That's the idea. 1106 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:10,639 Instead of percolating back here or other places. 1107 00:51:10,639 --> 00:51:13,559 How many pumps are Buc-E's putting in? 1108 00:51:13,559 --> 00:51:16,840 I'm not aware of the number of pumps. 1109 00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:18,639 Probably between 75 and 100. 1110 00:51:18,639 --> 00:51:19,639 Typically there are 75. 1111 00:51:19,639 --> 00:51:30,840 The one in Austin is about 75. 1112 00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,969 So Chell's recommendation, but I mean how do you, I mean I 1113 00:51:34,969 --> 00:51:36,519 guess obviously I wasn't 1114 00:51:36,519 --> 00:51:40,409 here for planning and zoning or whenever that was happening 1115 00:51:40,409 --> 00:51:40,699 . 1116 00:51:40,699 --> 00:51:45,409 With the traffic studies that Buc-E's gonna change, how do 1117 00:51:45,409 --> 00:51:47,960 you think that that will affect 1118 00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,800 say the flow to Lillian Miller with all the Buc-E's traffic 1119 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,480 that is gonna be sitting 1120 00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,599 right out in front of it? 1121 00:51:55,599 --> 00:52:01,000 So Buc-E's traffic is primarily. 1122 00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,519 I'm sorry, not to Lillian Miller, but down to State Hill 1123 00:52:03,519 --> 00:52:04,800 School because that's a one-way 1124 00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,280 road there. 1125 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,079 Here at Mayhill and State Hill. 1126 00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:17,769 So Buc-E's traffic is primarily going to affect this exit 1127 00:52:17,769 --> 00:52:21,559 ramp, get on, do their Buc-E's, 1128 00:52:21,559 --> 00:52:26,360 do the Buc-E's thing and then get on back here. 1129 00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:33,079 Anyone that really wants to go north, they have an access 1130 00:52:33,079 --> 00:52:34,719 ramp here. 1131 00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,809 And then anyone that wants to get onto Buc-E's has an 1132 00:52:37,809 --> 00:52:39,079 access ramp here. 1133 00:52:39,079 --> 00:52:44,199 So it is fairly localized in this area, but big picture 1134 00:52:44,199 --> 00:52:47,320 impacts, there will be impacts 1135 00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:51,329 because of this interchange being in place at the same time 1136 00:52:51,329 --> 00:52:52,760 Buc-E's going in. 1137 00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:57,409 And the city is looking at a long-term projection and 1138 00:52:57,409 --> 00:53:02,000 looking at 20, 25 years in the future. 1139 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,179 What are the implications? 1140 00:53:04,179 --> 00:53:07,280 And we have a traffic study conducted. 1141 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,900 We're still not out with the results as far as what are the 1142 00:53:10,900 --> 00:53:12,159 implications. 1143 00:53:12,159 --> 00:53:14,000 We submitted the text offer. 1144 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,739 We need them on board and once they're on board, there 1145 00:53:16,739 --> 00:53:18,780 might be some other more improvements 1146 00:53:18,780 --> 00:53:21,239 needed. 1147 00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,610 And part of that study clearly shows that a lot of this 1148 00:53:24,610 --> 00:53:26,519 traffic that's waiting here 1149 00:53:26,519 --> 00:53:32,679 may start using this as an alternative route to get to the 1150 00:53:32,679 --> 00:53:36,159 interchange in the freeway. 1151 00:53:36,159 --> 00:53:38,429 That's just my biggest concern of how they might just 1152 00:53:38,429 --> 00:53:39,840 change the traffic flow because 1153 00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:41,829 you already have the route that you just said, the 1154 00:53:41,829 --> 00:53:44,239 alternative route that they might take. 1155 00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,039 That's already backed up. 1156 00:53:46,039 --> 00:53:48,679 They're already backed up right in front of Buc-E's. 1157 00:53:48,679 --> 00:53:51,760 They're already backed up at State School on both sides. 1158 00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,889 And so if it's going to increase it even more, it just 1159 00:53:55,889 --> 00:53:58,159 doesn't seem like a viable thing to 1160 00:53:58,159 --> 00:54:04,360 do if we're trying to make traffic flow better. 1161 00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:09,579 I think the actual lane capacities on the 35E, once the 1162 00:54:09,579 --> 00:54:12,480 freeway really opens up to three 1163 00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,989 lanes, which is what it was intended to, but it didn't 1164 00:54:15,989 --> 00:54:18,219 really go all the way to three lanes 1165 00:54:18,219 --> 00:54:21,599 in each direction just because this project was coming 1166 00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:23,719 behind and it would have disrupted 1167 00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:24,719 everything. 1168 00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:29,400 So the contract for this particular segment to be from May 1169 00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,239 hill all the way to Loop 288, 1170 00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,619 just north of Loop 288, that segment was never upgraded to 1171 00:54:35,619 --> 00:54:37,360 three lanes in each direction. 1172 00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,389 It was always kept two lanes because the amount of 1173 00:54:40,389 --> 00:54:43,239 disruption, the new interchange here, the 1174 00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,619 fill and level change. 1175 00:54:45,619 --> 00:54:48,550 So once the freeway is back to three lanes in each 1176 00:54:48,550 --> 00:54:50,719 direction and the connections are 1177 00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:54,909 appropriate, I think it'll be much more better than what 1178 00:54:54,909 --> 00:54:56,199 you see today. 1179 00:54:56,199 --> 00:54:58,940 It's pretty backed up because of the two lanes and the 1180 00:54:58,940 --> 00:55:00,719 construction at the same time. 1181 00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:07,179 Now, I was talking more specifically Mayhill and both sides 1182 00:55:07,179 --> 00:55:09,519 of Lillian Millen. 1183 00:55:09,519 --> 00:55:11,559 You're talking about these intersections? 1184 00:55:11,559 --> 00:55:12,559 Yes. 1185 00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:16,710 Just to give you an update, there's another TechStop 1186 00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:19,880 project to update this interchange. 1187 00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:23,280 It was never the part of I-35E project. 1188 00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,159 This bridge width was never widened. 1189 00:55:26,159 --> 00:55:30,630 So now they're going to, since they've completed 249.99 1190 00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:33,119 coming in, and this is a wider segment 1191 00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:34,639 with two lanes in each direction. 1192 00:55:34,639 --> 00:55:38,769 They're thinking of widening this bridge, which is a choke 1193 00:55:38,769 --> 00:55:40,360 point at this point. 1194 00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:45,010 So that's a new project that is currently kicking off 1195 00:55:45,010 --> 00:55:45,960 design. 1196 00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:50,460 So in a couple of years, it should go to construction and 1197 00:55:50,460 --> 00:55:51,960 should be done. 1198 00:55:51,960 --> 00:56:03,360 Yeah, there are a lot more projects going on. 1199 00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:04,360 Any other questions? 1200 00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:05,360 Any questions, comments? 1201 00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:12,360 All right, do we have a motion? 1202 00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:17,360 Come on, Dan. 1203 00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:28,360 I can't call it this week. 1204 00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:29,360 Huh? 1205 00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:30,360 I can't call it. 1206 00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:31,360 Can I? 1207 00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:32,360 Call the motion? 1208 00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:33,360 Right, because I can't vote this week. 1209 00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,360 So I guess you can't call the motion. 1210 00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:42,519 I'll make a motion to approve the staff recommendation for 1211 00:56:42,519 --> 00:56:45,360 TSC 18-034. 1212 00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:50,360 Okay, we have a motion to approve. 1213 00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,360 Do we have a second? 1214 00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,360 I'll second, otherwise we're going to be in a mess. 1215 00:56:56,360 --> 00:57:00,360 Okay, we have a second now for a vote. 1216 00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,360 Do we have a second? 1217 00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:07,360 Okay, so we have two votes to approve the amendment. 1218 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:08,360 Aye. 1219 00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:09,360 Aye. 1220 00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:10,360 And opposed. 1221 00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:11,360 And a no vote. 1222 00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:12,360 Okay. 1223 00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:13,360 Wait, I'm sorry. 1224 00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:14,360 Why are you not voting? 1225 00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:15,360 Is that not an option? 1226 00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:16,360 No, sir. 1227 00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:17,360 Sorry, under the rules that council has promulgated, unless 1228 00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:17,360 you actually have like a recusal because 1229 00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:18,360 of conflict of interest or something. 1230 00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:18,940 In my thought process on that was just I would like to have 1231 00:57:18,940 --> 00:57:19,360 seen a lot more information regarding 1232 00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:20,360 that. 1233 00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:21,360 It's probably not good. 1234 00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:27,559 It's here today, out of brand new, so I didn't have the 1235 00:57:27,559 --> 00:57:30,360 chance to study it in the past. 1236 00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:36,820 And so with that, I thought I might be able to abstain, but 1237 00:57:36,820 --> 00:57:39,360 that's not an issue. 1238 00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:44,360 I'll say nay, and it doesn't matter. 1239 00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:45,360 Okay. 1240 00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,360 So do you want us to revote? 1241 00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:48,360 Do what? 1242 00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:49,360 Do you want us to revote? 1243 00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,360 To be official? 1244 00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:56,360 If he's voting nay, then you have to vote three to one. 1245 00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:57,360 Okay. 1246 00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:58,360 Okay. 1247 00:57:58,360 --> 00:57:59,360 Here we are. 1248 00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:00,360 Okay. 1249 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:05,360 I'm going to leave early. 1250 00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:06,360 Okay. 1251 00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:11,360 Wait, did you say motion fails? 1252 00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:19,360 Okay. 1253 00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:26,360 Okay. 1254 00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,849 That means we won't get reimbursed for $30,000 from Tech 1255 00:58:29,849 --> 00:58:30,360 Stop. 1256 00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,360 That's the bottom line implication of this. 1257 00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:40,360 And we will spend the money, but we can go to council. 1258 00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:46,360 You swear us here? 1259 00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,360 Would you reconsider your vote? 1260 00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,360 Because we're losing $30,000 from TechStop. 1261 00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,360 Yeah, we won't be reimbursed for that $38,000. 1262 00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:55,360 Yes. 1263 00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,289 When you have it, when you're doing it, if I can reconsider 1264 00:58:58,289 --> 00:58:59,360 my vote, I will because it 1265 00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:00,360 doesn't matter. 1266 00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,360 He didn't understand that implication of it. 1267 00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:03,360 Okay. 1268 00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:04,360 Yeah, I'm sorry, I did not hear that. 1269 00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:05,360 Okay. 1270 00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:06,360 Yes. 1271 00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:07,360 Do we have three votes? 1272 00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:11,360 We have a motion to reconsider in a second. 1273 00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,360 I'll make a motion to reconsider. 1274 00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:14,360 Second. 1275 00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:15,360 Okay. 1276 00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:16,360 So we will reconsider our vote. 1277 00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:17,360 Oh, take a vote on that. 1278 00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:18,360 Okay. 1279 00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:19,360 I'm sorry. 1280 00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:20,360 All right. 1281 00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:21,360 Sorry. 1282 00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:22,360 Okay. 1283 00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:23,130 So first we're going to vote on whether we will reconsider 1284 00:59:23,130 --> 00:59:23,360 the vote. 1285 00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,360 So all in favor of reconsidering the vote. 1286 00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:27,360 Aye. 1287 00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:28,360 Aye. 1288 00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:29,360 Okay. 1289 00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:35,820 So we will have another vote on whether we should approve 1290 00:59:35,820 --> 00:59:40,280 this item, TSC 18-034. 1291 00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:41,760 So do we have a motion to approve? 1292 00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:43,360 I'll make a motion to approve. 1293 00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:44,360 I second. 1294 00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,360 Do we have a second and a vote? 1295 00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:47,360 Everyone in favor? 1296 00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:48,360 Aye. 1297 00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:49,360 Aye. 1298 00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,360 Here we are, four. 1299 00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,360 Thank you. 1300 00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:55,360 Okay. 1301 00:59:55,360 --> 01:00:00,119 Now that brings us to actually the most fun part, which is 1302 01:00:00,119 --> 01:00:01,360 the matrix. 1303 01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:11,360 So item 1F, TSC 18-035, staff reports of the matrix. 1304 01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,909 So since there are so many new members, I just want to 1305 01:00:14,909 --> 01:00:17,119 quickly outline what we do here 1306 01:00:17,119 --> 01:00:20,809 with the matrix and what are the intentions and how do we 1307 01:00:20,809 --> 01:00:22,639 track it or what are some of 1308 01:00:22,639 --> 01:00:27,360 the outcomes of this particular process. 1309 01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,880 A matrix is a list of different items, different issues 1310 01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,639 that you really want to -- more information 1311 01:00:33,639 --> 01:00:36,760 or see something done, action. 1312 01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:41,239 Say, for example, you want to sidewalk at some location. 1313 01:00:41,239 --> 01:00:42,880 What are the ways you get there? 1314 01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:44,599 You put it on this matrix. 1315 01:00:44,599 --> 01:00:45,599 We have a discussion. 1316 01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:48,750 At some point, if you want to, you can convert that item 1317 01:00:48,750 --> 01:00:50,860 into a full-blown discussion item 1318 01:00:50,860 --> 01:00:55,110 where you have -- you can bring an AIS and have a full ag 1319 01:00:55,110 --> 01:00:57,559 endized item because if it's 1320 01:00:57,559 --> 01:01:00,820 not on the agenda, we can't really go into the depths of 1321 01:01:00,820 --> 01:01:02,360 why and how and where. 1322 01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:06,070 So this is a starting step for anything that you really 1323 01:01:06,070 --> 01:01:08,559 want to move forward and get things 1324 01:01:08,559 --> 01:01:11,619 done or want more information on. 1325 01:01:11,619 --> 01:01:14,050 So these are the list of things that we've been tracking 1326 01:01:14,050 --> 01:01:15,320 for long -- some of them are 1327 01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,119 a pretty long time. 1328 01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:18,639 We can start cleaning it up. 1329 01:01:18,639 --> 01:01:19,840 We can start a new one. 1330 01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:24,860 We can consider changing some of the format, but this is 1331 01:01:24,860 --> 01:01:26,320 what we have. 1332 01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:30,079 And there were some requests that were made in the past by 1333 01:01:30,079 --> 01:01:32,159 some of the commissioners and 1334 01:01:32,159 --> 01:01:35,909 they're in here, but what we've started doing is under each 1335 01:01:35,909 --> 01:01:39,360 of these requests, we've started 1336 01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:43,489 saying what improvements or how would we address it or were 1337 01:01:43,489 --> 01:01:46,320 we considering some of these things. 1338 01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:50,449 For example, if we can -- let's jump to item number two 1339 01:01:50,449 --> 01:01:53,320 because that's much more easier, 1340 01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:57,880 parking on Myriad Street between Oak and Scripture. 1341 01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:02,050 That's within the Oak Gateway Plan area and as part of that 1342 01:02:02,050 --> 01:02:04,320 specific plan, they're studying 1343 01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:11,269 parking and traffic as a big picture approach to how do we 1344 01:02:11,269 --> 01:02:14,760 fix it, what are the ways we 1345 01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:15,860 can do it. 1346 01:02:15,860 --> 01:02:19,550 So this item was brought in and then, yeah, we're currently 1347 01:02:19,550 --> 01:02:21,639 with the specific plan underway 1348 01:02:21,639 --> 01:02:25,769 that is going to come up with ways to address the issue on 1349 01:02:25,769 --> 01:02:27,639 this particular street. 1350 01:02:27,639 --> 01:02:30,480 So those are the things that we're tracking. 1351 01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:34,920 Typically in a meeting, I hit on the newer ones where some 1352 01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,519 of them are highlighted, newer 1353 01:02:37,519 --> 01:02:41,309 responses, and then after that, any new items that you want 1354 01:02:41,309 --> 01:02:43,719 to add will be added subsequently. 1355 01:02:43,719 --> 01:02:45,400 So that's the process. 1356 01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:50,409 I can start with item six because there's an update on that 1357 01:02:50,409 --> 01:02:52,480 and just a quick aerial 1358 01:02:52,480 --> 01:03:07,559 map, my favorite part. 1359 01:03:07,559 --> 01:03:14,050 So there was a request about sidewalks and safe pedestrian 1360 01:03:14,050 --> 01:03:16,760 passage along Mingo. 1361 01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:20,139 This is the stretch of Mingo we're talking, all the way 1362 01:03:20,139 --> 01:03:22,679 from Old North which is here to 1363 01:03:22,679 --> 01:03:29,460 the campus, T.W. campus, Bell, so -- which is right here. 1364 01:03:29,460 --> 01:03:35,559 So part of that, I think main concerns are this particular 1365 01:03:35,559 --> 01:03:38,960 area where a lot of T.W. students 1366 01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:42,630 live in these apartment buildings and some of them here and 1367 01:03:42,630 --> 01:03:44,199 then the campus is right 1368 01:03:44,199 --> 01:03:45,360 here. 1369 01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:48,900 And typically they have to go around on university or then 1370 01:03:48,900 --> 01:03:51,199 they have to walk in the ditch around 1371 01:03:51,199 --> 01:03:53,719 Mingo if they're closer on this particular edge. 1372 01:03:53,719 --> 01:03:58,940 What we're currently doing is working with T.W.U. with 1373 01:03:58,940 --> 01:04:02,079 their master plan and their interim 1374 01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:07,440 phase is actually looking at reusing some of these golf 1375 01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,920 course paths and we are partnering 1376 01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:15,260 with them to see how we can connect these to the street and 1377 01:04:15,260 --> 01:04:17,639 then bring them in and provide 1378 01:04:17,639 --> 01:04:19,460 smaller connections. 1379 01:04:19,460 --> 01:04:25,010 That way this will create pedestrian areas for them to walk 1380 01:04:25,010 --> 01:04:27,519 around instead of being on 1381 01:04:27,519 --> 01:04:30,260 the street and getting on the street they will be easily 1382 01:04:30,260 --> 01:04:30,960 connected. 1383 01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:34,760 So that's part of the solution, interim fix. 1384 01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:39,880 Eventually we'll come back and widen Mingo and the sidewalk 1385 01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,000 will be part of Mingo. 1386 01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:43,000 Item number -- 1387 01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:47,400 >> While you're on that. 1388 01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:51,139 Will that incorporate some bicycle paths when you're 1389 01:04:51,139 --> 01:04:55,599 talking about widening? 1390 01:04:55,599 --> 01:04:56,599 >> Widening Mingo. 1391 01:04:56,599 --> 01:04:59,889 Definitely bicycle is a consideration on most of our 1392 01:04:59,889 --> 01:05:00,760 projects. 1393 01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,590 We're putting a multi-use bike path on Bonnie Bray, May 1394 01:05:03,590 --> 01:05:05,199 Hill, all the big projects. 1395 01:05:05,199 --> 01:05:09,579 Anything that we design we try and implement some multi-use 1396 01:05:09,579 --> 01:05:11,719 paths and/or bike lanes. 1397 01:05:11,719 --> 01:05:12,719 It's a combination. 1398 01:05:12,719 --> 01:05:15,659 >> Because I use Mingo right there to bicycle into town 1399 01:05:15,659 --> 01:05:16,519 sometimes. 1400 01:05:16,519 --> 01:05:17,519 >> Okay. 1401 01:05:17,519 --> 01:05:21,369 >> And also while you're on that, that corner also as I'm 1402 01:05:21,369 --> 01:05:23,679 driving down Riddell and approaching 1403 01:05:23,679 --> 01:05:29,420 that stop sign, the fencing, just a little bit back, you've 1404 01:05:29,420 --> 01:05:31,840 got the several couple of 1405 01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:35,159 light poles, utility poles, and that fencing as you're 1406 01:05:35,159 --> 01:05:37,239 coming up kind of prevents a little 1407 01:05:37,239 --> 01:05:44,400 screen just right about there from car viewpoint. 1408 01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:48,630 And I was looking at it today thinking that if we could -- 1409 01:05:48,630 --> 01:05:51,119 if you want to keep the fence, 1410 01:05:51,119 --> 01:05:56,809 that light pole on the right just past where the truck is, 1411 01:05:56,809 --> 01:05:59,480 if you move down Mingo just 1412 01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:02,480 a little bit. 1413 01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:03,480 Yeah. 1414 01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:06,849 Basically, if we go from that light pole where that truck 1415 01:06:06,849 --> 01:06:09,880 is right over the little bridge, 1416 01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:14,010 and if that fencing could be pulled back a little bit to 1417 01:06:14,010 --> 01:06:16,920 open up that corner for visibility. 1418 01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:17,920 >> Okay. 1419 01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:21,219 I'll add that as a separate item and then we can talk about 1420 01:06:21,219 --> 01:06:22,239 it next time. 1421 01:06:22,239 --> 01:06:25,239 I'll work with -- it's a TW Golf Course fencing. 1422 01:06:25,239 --> 01:06:26,239 >> Yes. 1423 01:06:26,239 --> 01:06:28,579 >> And I'll have to work with them to make sure that they 1424 01:06:28,579 --> 01:06:29,920 are okay with removing it. 1425 01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:30,920 >> Right. 1426 01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,099 Because you've got a couple of big utility poles and then 1427 01:06:33,099 --> 01:06:34,280 you've got this fencing that 1428 01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:39,829 creates a screen making it a little difficult to see around 1429 01:06:39,829 --> 01:06:40,800 there. 1430 01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:41,800 >> Okay. 1431 01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:47,909 >> Do you have any -- if we're going to be widening Mingo, 1432 01:06:47,909 --> 01:06:50,360 do you have a feel for when 1433 01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:54,119 that's going to happen? 1434 01:06:54,119 --> 01:06:57,880 >> We're looking at least two to three years before we can 1435 01:06:57,880 --> 01:06:58,840 design it. 1436 01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:00,840 We don't have the funds yet. 1437 01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:01,840 >> Okay. 1438 01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:05,969 Any talks with railroads for right of way for putting pads 1439 01:07:05,969 --> 01:07:06,920 and stuff on? 1440 01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,599 >> Yeah, that's pretty tough. 1441 01:07:09,599 --> 01:07:11,679 There's no way around that. 1442 01:07:11,679 --> 01:07:15,119 So let me update some of the other items that I really 1443 01:07:15,119 --> 01:07:16,800 wanted to talk about. 1444 01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:20,170 Item number 11, there were concerns of parking east of on H 1445 01:07:20,170 --> 01:07:22,119 ickory Street, Fry Street, cars 1446 01:07:22,119 --> 01:07:26,239 are parked not properly entering traffic. 1447 01:07:26,239 --> 01:07:27,719 It was an enforcement issue. 1448 01:07:27,719 --> 01:07:31,349 We've asked parking enforcement to go in there and put it 1449 01:07:31,349 --> 01:07:33,480 on their regular watch list. 1450 01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:36,360 They have a list that they continually rotate. 1451 01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:40,519 So we're trying to stay on top of that particular item. 1452 01:07:40,519 --> 01:07:42,119 It's a safety related. 1453 01:07:42,119 --> 01:07:47,239 The next item also, Malone Street, it's completely redone. 1454 01:07:47,239 --> 01:07:50,119 And bike infrastructure is in place. 1455 01:07:50,119 --> 01:07:51,719 We are working through that. 1456 01:07:51,719 --> 01:07:55,239 Some of the kinks of new configuration. 1457 01:07:55,239 --> 01:07:56,239 >> Malone and where? 1458 01:07:56,239 --> 01:08:00,619 >> The entire stretch of Malone between scripture and US 3 1459 01:08:00,619 --> 01:08:01,519 80. 1460 01:08:01,519 --> 01:08:02,519 Yeah. 1461 01:08:02,519 --> 01:08:09,769 That has a bike lane and it's been converted to a three 1462 01:08:09,769 --> 01:08:12,159 lane section. 1463 01:08:12,159 --> 01:08:16,289 The next item, item number 13, left turn needed at Old 1464 01:08:16,289 --> 01:08:19,239 North University, Old North University 1465 01:08:19,239 --> 01:08:20,239 in Nottingham. 1466 01:08:20,239 --> 01:08:23,239 We've completed the Old North at the university. 1467 01:08:23,239 --> 01:08:24,800 The left turns are in place. 1468 01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:28,119 They have separate left turn lanes. 1469 01:08:28,119 --> 01:08:31,840 And it seems to be working well at this point. 1470 01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:33,439 We're still monitoring it. 1471 01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:35,800 We just completed it last week. 1472 01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:39,640 The next one, Nottingham University is to follow. 1473 01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:43,720 It's in our next phase of small transportation projects. 1474 01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:48,609 So we're kicking off the design in a month, month and a 1475 01:08:48,609 --> 01:08:51,640 half to get that thing moving. 1476 01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:54,100 Number 14, we have reviewed and addressed it. 1477 01:08:54,100 --> 01:08:56,600 There were some issues with the traffic controller. 1478 01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:58,760 It was really cycling fast. 1479 01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:03,720 Didn't have enough green time for the cross streets. 1480 01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:05,039 And then we've addressed that. 1481 01:09:05,039 --> 01:09:07,779 So I'm going to remove some of these items that we've 1482 01:09:07,779 --> 01:09:09,399 already addressed and then next 1483 01:09:09,399 --> 01:09:11,720 time I clean up the matrix. 1484 01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:15,279 And then the last one we have added that, the 10 foot 1485 01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:17,399 sidewalk, we have added that to 1486 01:09:17,399 --> 01:09:19,640 our sidewalk gap list. 1487 01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:24,510 Typically, we add them up on an annual basis and set it up 1488 01:09:24,510 --> 01:09:26,960 so that we can package it and 1489 01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:28,439 send it out for design. 1490 01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:32,640 We're currently working on 2018 sidewalk design package and 1491 01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:36,319 then construction will start early 1492 01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:39,760 next year or probably mid next year. 1493 01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:44,399 And then 2019 is already under on the same path. 1494 01:09:44,399 --> 01:09:49,619 We're taking it to council for getting a design consultant 1495 01:09:49,619 --> 01:09:50,760 on board. 1496 01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:54,170 And then I just added fencing and mingling with the first 1497 01:09:54,170 --> 01:09:55,319 side distance. 1498 01:09:55,319 --> 01:09:59,199 Any other items that anyone wants to add? 1499 01:09:59,199 --> 01:10:06,520 Well, I'm going to have a question about cautionary 20s. 1500 01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:07,800 Is that what it's called? 1501 01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:11,560 Caution 20 or cautionary 20 mile an hour? 1502 01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:18,020 I believe there's one on scripture, but my neighborhood, E 1503 01:10:18,020 --> 01:10:21,199 agan, Congress, somewhat on 1504 01:10:21,199 --> 01:10:26,069 panhandle is getting more and more populated by families 1505 01:10:26,069 --> 01:10:28,079 with young children. 1506 01:10:28,079 --> 01:10:33,060 And we're close to Denton High, we're close to Calhoun 1507 01:10:33,060 --> 01:10:36,000 Middle, and this summer we had 1508 01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:40,319 another person who ran the stop sign, ended up in one of my 1509 01:10:40,319 --> 01:10:42,680 neighbor's yards and actually 1510 01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:46,399 hit her car first and then ended up in her yard. 1511 01:10:46,399 --> 01:10:49,600 And so there's three children that live in that house. 1512 01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:53,600 So any number of them could have been out there. 1513 01:10:53,600 --> 01:11:00,100 So is there -- we're working on this with our small area 1514 01:11:00,100 --> 01:11:01,159 plan. 1515 01:11:01,159 --> 01:11:06,500 But what else just from this perspective of our commission, 1516 01:11:06,500 --> 01:11:09,159 what can we think about, look 1517 01:11:09,159 --> 01:11:13,500 at, ask for so that we've got multipronged approach to 1518 01:11:13,500 --> 01:11:16,079 making that area in particular 1519 01:11:16,079 --> 01:11:17,079 safe? 1520 01:11:17,079 --> 01:11:18,079 And these are little kids. 1521 01:11:18,079 --> 01:11:19,479 They're going to be there for a while. 1522 01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:23,859 So the orange caution, children playing kinds of signs, how 1523 01:11:23,859 --> 01:11:25,640 do those even happen? 1524 01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:27,760 So a couple things. 1525 01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:28,840 Quick response to this. 1526 01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:33,159 I can't really discuss much in detail, but putting a sign 1527 01:11:33,159 --> 01:11:35,399 out there is not going to help 1528 01:11:35,399 --> 01:11:38,239 because they're going to look at it and just ignore. 1529 01:11:38,239 --> 01:11:39,600 That's the first approach. 1530 01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:44,130 20 miles an hour, typically according to our ordinance, can 1531 01:11:44,130 --> 01:11:46,000 only be a street adjacent to 1532 01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:50,159 school or hospital or park. 1533 01:11:50,159 --> 01:11:53,189 We can't really have a 20-mile on our cautionary speed 1534 01:11:53,189 --> 01:11:55,560 anywhere other than that ordinance area. 1535 01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:57,720 And I can give you the specifics. 1536 01:11:57,720 --> 01:11:59,279 That's one thing. 1537 01:11:59,279 --> 01:12:03,050 What we're doing, and the second two-pronged approach, is I 1538 01:12:03,050 --> 01:12:05,159 've talked to several residents 1539 01:12:05,159 --> 01:12:10,029 in that neighborhood and several other neighborhoods, and 1540 01:12:10,029 --> 01:12:13,439 we are looking at a traffic calming toolbox 1541 01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:18,500 where we go to communities, subdivisions, areas similar to 1542 01:12:18,500 --> 01:12:21,520 yours, and present the toolbox. 1543 01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:22,520 These are the options. 1544 01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:24,720 These are the pros and cons. 1545 01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:30,270 Compact circle or compact roundabout, bulb outs, islands, 1546 01:12:30,270 --> 01:12:34,159 other pavement markings, signage 1547 01:12:34,159 --> 01:12:35,399 striping. 1548 01:12:35,399 --> 01:12:39,649 All these options will be laid out, and once we come up 1549 01:12:39,649 --> 01:12:42,680 with what are the preferred options, 1550 01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:44,750 we can look into how do we fund them and how do we 1551 01:12:44,750 --> 01:12:45,720 implement them. 1552 01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:47,920 So that's an approach. 1553 01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:50,479 We are going to start. 1554 01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:53,409 I'll probably bring an item in the next meeting or the 1555 01:12:53,409 --> 01:12:55,720 following with the whole traffic calming 1556 01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:59,500 toolbox as to what's entailed, what are the pros and cons, 1557 01:12:59,500 --> 01:13:01,520 and then that's something that 1558 01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:05,649 we can -- I'm going to start going to each community and 1559 01:13:05,649 --> 01:13:07,800 presenting and let them have 1560 01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:12,039 a weigh-in on what happens in their community. 1561 01:13:12,039 --> 01:13:14,970 That's a better way of controlling speed and cut-through 1562 01:13:14,970 --> 01:13:16,720 traffic, is making sure that it 1563 01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:20,420 becomes a really localized area where people really are 1564 01:13:20,420 --> 01:13:22,479 forced to slow down as opposed 1565 01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:27,859 to just signage that doesn't really help much. 1566 01:13:27,859 --> 01:13:31,649 So if you're coming in at a really narrow angle and close 1567 01:13:31,649 --> 01:13:33,560 down the -- almost close down 1568 01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:36,560 the intersection, you have to slow down. 1569 01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:41,239 >> It's going to be a little bit of a sea change in 1570 01:13:41,239 --> 01:13:44,520 mobility attitude in order to do 1571 01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:48,880 that, which I'm all in favor of. 1572 01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:52,250 >> We have to create the right guidance for them to change 1573 01:13:52,250 --> 01:13:53,319 the behavior. 1574 01:13:53,319 --> 01:13:56,159 Slow process. 1575 01:13:56,159 --> 01:14:04,010 >> I'm also wondering, now that we have Mark, too, if the 1576 01:14:04,010 --> 01:14:08,319 city has completely given up on 1577 01:14:08,319 --> 01:14:12,970 discussing the stop is yield sign -- stop is yield for bicy 1578 01:14:12,970 --> 01:14:15,279 clists, the Idaho stop. 1579 01:14:15,279 --> 01:14:17,960 >> We'll look into that. 1580 01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:22,159 I can't really answer that right away. 1581 01:14:22,159 --> 01:14:25,439 >> It's okay. 1582 01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:28,039 >> What was the -- what's already been discussed? 1583 01:14:28,039 --> 01:14:29,039 >> Nothing. 1584 01:14:29,039 --> 01:14:30,039 >> Okay. 1585 01:14:30,039 --> 01:14:31,039 I would love to see that. 1586 01:14:31,039 --> 01:14:34,680 >> Stop signs and yield signs for bicycles. 1587 01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:36,239 >> But yeah, basically, yeah. 1588 01:14:36,239 --> 01:14:37,239 >> Yeah. 1589 01:14:37,239 --> 01:14:38,239 Right. 1590 01:14:38,239 --> 01:14:39,239 >> And especially -- 1591 01:14:39,239 --> 01:14:40,239 >> Changing their behavior, too. 1592 01:14:40,239 --> 01:14:41,239 >> I'm sorry? 1593 01:14:41,239 --> 01:14:42,239 >> Changing their behavior, too. 1594 01:14:42,239 --> 01:14:43,239 >> Yes. 1595 01:14:43,239 --> 01:14:44,239 Yes. 1596 01:14:44,239 --> 01:14:48,039 Well, and especially as we are having more of our streets 1597 01:14:48,039 --> 01:14:50,319 being, you know, bicycle -- you 1598 01:14:50,319 --> 01:14:54,000 know, bikes can be part of traffic. 1599 01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:57,689 It's really a bigger pain in the butt for cars to be behind 1600 01:14:57,689 --> 01:14:59,439 a bike that has to get back 1601 01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:02,539 up to speed when there are -- when there is no traffic 1602 01:15:02,539 --> 01:15:03,279 coming. 1603 01:15:03,279 --> 01:15:07,409 So if all you have to do is slow and keep going, you really 1604 01:15:07,409 --> 01:15:09,439 -- the traffic keeps going 1605 01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:13,000 at a better pace in those areas. 1606 01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:14,000 >> And you -- 1607 01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:15,000 >> The sparrows. 1608 01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,840 >> And stops and stop lights would be like stop signs. 1609 01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:20,039 That's the way you see it. 1610 01:15:20,039 --> 01:15:21,039 >> Yeah. 1611 01:15:21,039 --> 01:15:25,970 >> A quick response the way PD looks at this is they really 1612 01:15:25,970 --> 01:15:29,319 consider bicyclists as a vehicle. 1613 01:15:29,319 --> 01:15:30,319 And they enforce it that way. 1614 01:15:30,319 --> 01:15:33,680 So if you don't stop, that means, yeah, you're in trouble. 1615 01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:34,680 >> Right. 1616 01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:35,680 >> But -- 1617 01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:36,680 >> See change. 1618 01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:37,680 >> -- we'll investigate. 1619 01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:39,430 >> When you're on a bike and the person's car and a car is 1620 01:15:39,430 --> 01:15:40,520 frustrated behind you because 1621 01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:43,640 you're going three miles per hour, it creates a far more 1622 01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:45,119 dangerous situation. 1623 01:15:45,119 --> 01:15:46,119 >> Right. 1624 01:15:46,119 --> 01:15:47,119 Right. 1625 01:15:47,119 --> 01:15:49,859 If they have to feel they have to speed up to get around 1626 01:15:49,859 --> 01:15:51,079 you because you are -- 1627 01:15:51,079 --> 01:15:54,079 >> And that's the most dangerous thing. 1628 01:15:54,079 --> 01:15:58,250 >> -- instead of you're being able to -- when you can, just 1629 01:15:58,250 --> 01:15:59,640 keep on going. 1630 01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:03,149 >> That's the only close calls I've had is people swerving 1631 01:16:03,149 --> 01:16:04,880 around out of frustration 1632 01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:09,550 because they don't -- they think only cars should be in the 1633 01:16:09,550 --> 01:16:10,359 road. 1634 01:16:10,359 --> 01:16:11,359 >> Right. 1635 01:16:11,359 --> 01:16:12,359 Yeah. 1636 01:16:12,359 --> 01:16:13,359 Okay. 1637 01:16:13,359 --> 01:16:16,479 So in terms of the matrix, that means that, you know, we're 1638 01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:17,880 the eyes on the street. 1639 01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:22,119 So when there are things that you see that can -- some of 1640 01:16:22,119 --> 01:16:24,439 these things are super quick 1641 01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:25,439 fix. 1642 01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:26,600 You know, we've brought things in. 1643 01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:30,149 We've said pre-tem, we need help, and one meeting later he 1644 01:16:30,149 --> 01:16:32,039 says, okay, and this is what 1645 01:16:32,039 --> 01:16:33,039 we did. 1646 01:16:33,039 --> 01:16:36,260 And so some things he can say, oh, okay, I didn't know 1647 01:16:36,260 --> 01:16:39,079 anybody was concerned about this. 1648 01:16:39,079 --> 01:16:42,239 This is something we're addressing via this project. 1649 01:16:42,239 --> 01:16:46,029 But, you know, this is a really good way to find out and 1650 01:16:46,029 --> 01:16:48,000 add things or find out where 1651 01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:49,000 we are. 1652 01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:52,319 The city might be working on things that we don't know they 1653 01:16:52,319 --> 01:16:54,000 're working on, and you bring 1654 01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:55,520 it up and they can say, okay. 1655 01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:56,760 And then you can bring that back. 1656 01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:59,489 We bring that back to the community who's been asking about 1657 01:16:59,489 --> 01:16:59,800 it. 1658 01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:00,800 So, Dan? 1659 01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:03,079 >> Can I just -- I don't know if it's time to ask a 1660 01:17:03,079 --> 01:17:04,880 question because I don't know what 1661 01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:06,439 can happen related to it. 1662 01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:11,739 But the new pedestrian cross on the square, there's like 1663 01:17:11,739 --> 01:17:14,159 new pedestrian cross. 1664 01:17:14,159 --> 01:17:16,680 What was the -- I mean, I guess that's probably out of our 1665 01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:17,159 realm. 1666 01:17:17,159 --> 01:17:20,119 What was the thinking behind those? 1667 01:17:20,119 --> 01:17:21,319 >> You mean the sound or -- 1668 01:17:21,319 --> 01:17:22,319 >> No, there's -- 1669 01:17:22,319 --> 01:17:23,319 >> The sound, too. 1670 01:17:23,319 --> 01:17:25,760 >> No, like the shorter ones, right? 1671 01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:28,560 They're like shorter -- that weren't there previously. 1672 01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:30,279 They're installed in the last six months. 1673 01:17:30,279 --> 01:17:33,079 >> So it is ADA compliance. 1674 01:17:33,079 --> 01:17:37,670 The new ADA compliance requires that the pedestrian buttons 1675 01:17:37,670 --> 01:17:40,279 are within a certain distance of the 1676 01:17:40,279 --> 01:17:42,439 street and the ramps. 1677 01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:44,680 So that's why you have those shorter ramps. 1678 01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:48,859 But at the same time, their sound is unique enough so 1679 01:17:48,859 --> 01:17:51,600 someone with a visual disability 1680 01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:54,239 can actually differentiate between different sounds of 1681 01:17:54,239 --> 01:17:55,760 which direction you're going. 1682 01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:57,560 >> So those actually emit sound? 1683 01:17:57,560 --> 01:17:58,560 >> Yes. 1684 01:17:58,560 --> 01:17:59,560 >> Okay, that's good. 1685 01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:02,489 >> And it emitted different sound and we just changed it 1686 01:18:02,489 --> 01:18:03,159 last week. 1687 01:18:03,159 --> 01:18:04,640 >> Was the alignment changed? 1688 01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:06,430 Because it seems like -- and maybe I'm reading wrong, but 1689 01:18:06,430 --> 01:18:07,840 it seems like when I'm on the square, 1690 01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:09,399 you have to press the button now. 1691 01:18:09,399 --> 01:18:10,399 >> Correct. 1692 01:18:10,399 --> 01:18:11,399 >> Or to cross. 1693 01:18:11,399 --> 01:18:12,399 >> And that's for ADA compliance. 1694 01:18:12,399 --> 01:18:15,319 >> So it can't be automatic? 1695 01:18:15,319 --> 01:18:21,560 >> If it's automatic, it's hard for anyone that's visually 1696 01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:24,359 and also hearing impaired 1697 01:18:24,359 --> 01:18:27,239 that they wouldn't know what direction where to cross. 1698 01:18:27,239 --> 01:18:31,130 So you have ramps that are directional and then you have 1699 01:18:31,130 --> 01:18:33,319 buttons that go with those. 1700 01:18:33,319 --> 01:18:35,159 So we're just being compliant. 1701 01:18:35,159 --> 01:18:40,079 And yeah, it's a little bit, but it helps everyone to not 1702 01:18:40,079 --> 01:18:43,720 just get into the street immediately. 1703 01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:46,029 >> Is that something that we've had to coordinate with Text 1704 01:18:46,029 --> 01:18:46,399 Dot? 1705 01:18:46,399 --> 01:18:47,399 >> No. 1706 01:18:47,399 --> 01:18:48,399 >> Because L and Locust? 1707 01:18:48,399 --> 01:18:51,399 >> Well, they reviewed the plans, yes. 1708 01:18:51,399 --> 01:18:52,399 >> Okay. 1709 01:18:52,399 --> 01:18:55,159 >> Okay, so I do have one question on the matrix. 1710 01:18:55,159 --> 01:18:58,479 This is probably an enforcement question about station 1711 01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:00,520 motors, which is at the corner of 1712 01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:02,760 Locust and McKinney. 1713 01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:05,850 They just block sidewalks and I think they've been doing it 1714 01:19:05,850 --> 01:19:07,079 for years with cars. 1715 01:19:07,079 --> 01:19:09,479 And that whole area has kind of always been one of my 1716 01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:11,000 biggest concerns because of the 1717 01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:14,630 you come off the square, it's pedestrian friendly and then 1718 01:19:14,630 --> 01:19:16,520 it opens up and cars gun it near 1719 01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:17,520 where pedestrians are walking. 1720 01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:21,010 But that area in particular, you're just pushed into the 1721 01:19:21,010 --> 01:19:22,920 road as a pedestrian because they 1722 01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:23,920 always block it. 1723 01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:25,960 So that's right at Locust and McKinney. 1724 01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:31,199 So I don't know if that's an enforcement issue. 1725 01:19:31,199 --> 01:19:33,199 And then I had one other question I brought up. 1726 01:19:33,199 --> 01:19:35,520 We were just discussing before. 1727 01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:37,319 Is there anything temporary we can do on Hickory? 1728 01:19:37,319 --> 01:19:40,250 I know there's long term plans on Hickory, but I know I've 1729 01:19:40,250 --> 01:19:41,720 been since probably my first 1730 01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:46,079 meeting in 2016 complaining about we have two urban areas 1731 01:19:46,079 --> 01:19:47,720 and we have one small gap 1732 01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:48,920 between them. 1733 01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:54,010 And it's one of the worst roads and we put a bike lane on 1734 01:19:54,010 --> 01:19:54,640 it. 1735 01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:55,640 And then we tore it up. 1736 01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:59,579 So now we have a bike lane with torn up terrible traffic. 1737 01:19:59,579 --> 01:20:02,609 When you bike on it at night, which I do every night, you 1738 01:20:02,609 --> 01:20:04,359 can't see more than a foot or two 1739 01:20:04,359 --> 01:20:06,119 in front of you on parts of it. 1740 01:20:06,119 --> 01:20:07,880 It's incredibly dangerous. 1741 01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:10,720 Someone is going to get really hurt riding over there. 1742 01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:14,119 And we as a city built infrastructure to tell them to go 1743 01:20:14,119 --> 01:20:14,800 there. 1744 01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:17,430 And I don't know how long it's going to take to get this 1745 01:20:17,430 --> 01:20:18,840 stretch fixed or get something 1746 01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:21,439 done because the sidewalks are all inaccessible. 1747 01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:24,229 If anyone in a wheelchair wants to go between UNT and the 1748 01:20:24,229 --> 01:20:25,960 square, they're out of luck. 1749 01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:29,000 It's just I don't know. 1750 01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:30,000 It's just so bad. 1751 01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:31,239 And we made it way worse. 1752 01:20:31,239 --> 01:20:33,279 I don't know what happened with putting the pipes in. 1753 01:20:33,279 --> 01:20:35,630 But man, that road got torn up and it just looks like it's 1754 01:20:35,630 --> 01:20:38,159 about to sit there for a while. 1755 01:20:38,159 --> 01:20:41,720 And so I'm just frustrated with the status of it. 1756 01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:42,800 It's been bad for years. 1757 01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:44,359 It's gotten worse. 1758 01:20:44,359 --> 01:20:47,119 And if nothing else, can we get some lighting, some 1759 01:20:47,119 --> 01:20:49,279 temporary lighting in the area so that 1760 01:20:49,279 --> 01:20:54,199 there's it's not dangerous for people. 1761 01:20:54,199 --> 01:20:57,199 So it is a project. 1762 01:20:57,199 --> 01:20:58,199 Yeah. 1763 01:20:58,199 --> 01:21:01,199 We're working on it. 1764 01:21:01,199 --> 01:21:02,199 More to come. 1765 01:21:02,199 --> 01:21:03,199 I know. 1766 01:21:03,199 --> 01:21:04,199 I'm just disgusted. 1767 01:21:04,199 --> 01:21:05,199 Yeah. 1768 01:21:05,199 --> 01:21:09,119 Well, and I think that is a question for the for night. 1769 01:21:09,119 --> 01:21:13,560 You know, since right now the lighting is so are there any 1770 01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:16,319 temporary measures to illuminate 1771 01:21:16,319 --> 01:21:18,560 that area until it's done? 1772 01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:20,760 And I think when it's done, it's going to look great. 1773 01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:24,159 I think it will be pedestrian oriented. 1774 01:21:24,159 --> 01:21:28,289 But right now, I think everybody I talked to who goes down 1775 01:21:28,289 --> 01:21:30,500 who walks or bikes down Hickory, 1776 01:21:30,500 --> 01:21:33,260 it feels like they're in it, you know, taking their lives 1777 01:21:33,260 --> 01:21:34,960 into their own hands, you know, 1778 01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:36,520 even even in the broad daylight. 1779 01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:37,520 Yeah. 1780 01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:38,520 Yeah. 1781 01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:41,149 So you at night just a little extra extra way to put a 1782 01:21:41,149 --> 01:21:42,680 little extra light in there, 1783 01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:44,680 I think would be it would be good. 1784 01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:46,930 That would make a big difference just so you can really see 1785 01:21:46,930 --> 01:21:48,079 where you're biking in front 1786 01:21:48,079 --> 01:21:49,079 of you right now. 1787 01:21:49,079 --> 01:21:50,079 Yeah. 1788 01:21:50,079 --> 01:21:50,880 When you hit those bumps, you sometimes don't even see them 1789 01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:51,079 coming. 1790 01:21:51,079 --> 01:21:52,079 Yeah. 1791 01:21:52,079 --> 01:21:53,079 Yeah. 1792 01:21:53,079 --> 01:21:54,079 You know, we're looking at bike. 1793 01:21:54,079 --> 01:21:55,079 We'll look at options. 1794 01:21:55,079 --> 01:21:56,079 OK. 1795 01:21:56,079 --> 01:21:57,079 Thank you. 1796 01:21:57,079 --> 01:21:58,079 Thank you. 1797 01:21:58,079 --> 01:21:59,079 OK. 1798 01:21:59,079 --> 01:22:00,079 Is there anything else? 1799 01:22:00,079 --> 01:22:01,079 A general question. 1800 01:22:01,079 --> 01:22:08,039 I'm the new kid on the block. 1801 01:22:08,039 --> 01:22:13,590 I like reading research, statistics, reports in order to 1802 01:22:13,590 --> 01:22:16,359 make an informed decision. 1803 01:22:16,359 --> 01:22:20,829 There might be times I'd say I'm going to say no, simply 1804 01:22:20,829 --> 01:22:23,039 because I don't have all my 1805 01:22:23,039 --> 01:22:24,399 questions answered. 1806 01:22:24,399 --> 01:22:26,670 How would I get supplemental information before this 1807 01:22:26,670 --> 01:22:27,239 meeting? 1808 01:22:27,239 --> 01:22:29,239 I'm going to vote on something. 1809 01:22:29,239 --> 01:22:33,720 Is there a way to do that? 1810 01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:36,239 You can send a list of questions you may have ahead of the 1811 01:22:36,239 --> 01:22:36,760 meeting. 1812 01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:40,479 I don't know what's on next month's agenda. 1813 01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:44,609 You can send them Monday if you can, the morning of today, 1814 01:22:44,609 --> 01:22:46,760 and then we'll get enough time to 1815 01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:48,119 respond to all the questions. 1816 01:22:48,119 --> 01:22:49,119 OK. 1817 01:22:49,119 --> 01:22:50,119 Thank you. 1818 01:22:50,119 --> 01:22:51,449 So because you get it on Friday, you don't have enough time 1819 01:22:51,449 --> 01:22:52,159 , but you can read it over 1820 01:22:52,159 --> 01:22:53,159 the weekend. 1821 01:22:53,159 --> 01:22:56,840 If on Monday morning you want to send questions or you have 1822 01:22:56,840 --> 01:22:58,920 follow up information, we can 1823 01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:01,760 make sure that we try and address most of them. 1824 01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:04,750 If we have something pending, then we'll provide you at a 1825 01:23:04,750 --> 01:23:06,640 later time, but we'll try and address 1826 01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:07,640 them. 1827 01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:11,770 And I think we talked about too, is there simplifying the 1828 01:23:11,770 --> 01:23:13,880 way to find existing projects 1829 01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:14,880 on the site? 1830 01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:16,199 I think they have done some updating already. 1831 01:23:16,199 --> 01:23:17,199 Correct. 1832 01:23:17,199 --> 01:23:18,199 I can send you a link. 1833 01:23:18,199 --> 01:23:20,000 Is that linked from our page? 1834 01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:22,199 That would kind of make sense almost to have a link to it. 1835 01:23:22,199 --> 01:23:23,199 I don't know if that's-- 1836 01:23:23,199 --> 01:23:24,199 I don't know. 1837 01:23:24,199 --> 01:23:27,680 That'd be great if you could-- thank you so much. 1838 01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:29,920 OK. 1839 01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:35,920 Anyone else have any questions, comments? 1840 01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:37,399 OK. 1841 01:23:37,399 --> 01:23:40,960 We will adjourn at 6.59.