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Good evening and welcome to the planning and zoning work

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session for October 24th, 2018.

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It is 513.

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We'll open the work session meeting at this time.

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The first item is to clarify any agenda items listed in the

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agenda.

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Richard, do you have anything to start before you hop into

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the consent?

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>> No.

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>> Perfect.

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So we'll go into the consent agenda, 3A is Haley.

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Haley actually has 3A and B. So if you have any questions

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for Haley.

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Does anyone have any questions?

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Perfect. Margie, Commissioner Ellis.

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>> Thank you, Chair.

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I have a question, 3B really.

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I'm just curious.

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>> Does anyone have any questions for 3A real fast,

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Commissioner Ellis?

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>> I do.

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>> 3A? Perfect.

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Hey, can we just skip to 3B?

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So my question is on one of the notes where it says that we

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have to get permission

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from downstream owners for the runoff.

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Exactly how does that happen?

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>> So, Audra has a lot going on as I'm sure you've noticed.

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So there is, and I don't think it shows up on here exactly,

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further down to the east,

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closer to where we had the recent rezoning, there's an out

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fall there.

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And all of the developments, that one as well as this one

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and the property to the north

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of here that you may remember from last year, all are

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required to improve the storm water

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system to get their water to that point.

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So all three of the developers are in the process of trying

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to work together and figure

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out how they can share the cost of that and how that will

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happen.

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But engineering requested that that note be added in case

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all of that doesn't work out

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or just as a heads up that you still have to come to this

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agreement so that all three

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of you can share this and convey your water across each

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other's properties to get

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to that ultimate point that they all have to reach.

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So that's what that note is an advisement of.

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And additionally, there is a small property here that you

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see as, let me see if I can

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get to it here.

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It's a single family home that I believe also has a

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business associated with it, this

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lot one, block A of the Gary addition.

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That property also has to be traversed with the storm water

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line and they haven't yet

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completed those negotiations with that property owner about

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how they would get that storm

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system across his property.

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So four parcels that all have to work together here to get

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this accomplished.

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Right.

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So is that something that's done in writing and then?

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It would be ultimately.

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They're still pretty early in that because this property is

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kind of the first piece in

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but we're also working on the preliminary plat for this

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piece as well.

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And then with that recent rezoning, I suspect we'll see

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that plat for the further east property

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as well.

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But that's what that note is referencing is just that kind

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of team spirit that we're trying

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to get to to get this accomplished, to get Audra

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consistently improved with storm as

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well as street improvements as all three of these pieces

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come in.

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Okay.

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And what's being and what is held up if that doesn't happen

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?

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The entire project?

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Um, there, I guess the biggest potential holdup is all

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three of the developers seeming very

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inclined to work together and share this cost would be this

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this kind of holdout lot here

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that that's already developed.

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So if that's the case, there is a potential that, you know,

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improvements could be skipped

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on that parcel if we're not able to to work with them.

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But they are working together and working with our

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engineering department to see what

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we can do to get all of this accomplished at once.

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So thanks.

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Any other questions for Haley?

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Thanks, Haley.

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Three C is Julie Wyatt's item.

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Any questions for that preliminary plot?

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Awesome.

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That is our consent agenda.

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Moving to public hearing for a has been postponed to a date

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certain of November 14.

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So we'll skip that one for now.

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Goes into the next one is for B, which is Cindy Jackson for

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final reply.

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So can you come up and present the final reply?

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Cindy will be seeing a lot of you tonight.

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I think I just need to pull a stool up to the podium.

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Okay.

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Fr 1810 is a request for approval of a final replat of 15A

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R1 and 15A R2, block 17, a

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residential replat of lot 15A, block 17 of Royal Acres.

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The site is generally located at the southeast corner of

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the intersection of Hercules and

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Wellington Lane.

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You can see it right here.

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The plot actually was initially subdivided.

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It was approved in 1972 and it's hard to see, but here it

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is as two lots.

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In 1976, the property owner at that time re-platted it to

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create one lot.

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And what we have tonight is a request to take it back to

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two lots.

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We sent out 21 public notices via certified mail and then

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275 public notices to the entire

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subdivision via certified mail, which is required by the

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local government code when we have

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a residential replat.

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We sent out 500, excuse me, 49 courtesy noses within 500

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feet of the site.

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And as you can see, we got no one in opposition within 200

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feet of the site.

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No one in favor, one neutral.

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And then we had four in opposition in the subdivision and

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two in favor within the subdivision

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and one that was neutral.

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Cindy, apart from us knowing the subdivision's response,

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the subdivision response outside

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the 200 foot buffer does not play into supermajority voting

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.

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That's just for our own edification?

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That's correct.

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Okay.

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You want to wait?

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Okay.

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Well, we recommend approval.

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Krista Ellis.

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Thank you, Chair.

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Okay.

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So currently there is a house built on the north side of

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that.

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That's correct.

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Right.

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And that's staying?

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Yes, it is.

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Okay.

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In fact, I had the applicant provide me a survey of the

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site so I could verify that

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the house with the subdivision of the land will still

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comply with all the requirements

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with setbacks and open space and all.

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And it does?

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Yeah, because it does look like it's going to sit quite.

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Yep.

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It does.

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At the south end of that boundary line.

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It does.

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I wanted to make sure of that before we move forward.

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Okay.

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Thanks.

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Okay.

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Oh, Commissioner Beck.

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Thank you.

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Chair, I'm not sure why the opposition, but I'm reading

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this one here.

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I guess they were concerned that something other than a

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residence was going to be built

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there, but that's not possible, is it?

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Well, no, it's not.

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It's 7NR4.

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Okay.

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Right.

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Okay.

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Thanks.

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Yes, sir.

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Commissioner Sanchez.

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Is it my understanding that, okay, the house will fit on

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one lot and the other lot will

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have, it's big enough to build a house of same caliber, 3,

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000 square foot, or that's

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about what you have in that neighborhood?

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Yes, it is.

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The lot that is proposed is 12,000 square feet in area,

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which is significantly above

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the minimum requirement of 9,000 for NR4.

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Okay.

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Thank you, Cindy.

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Appreciate that.

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Sure.

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Next is agenda item 4C, the final replat by Ron Magenta.

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Thank you, Chair, members of the commission for my

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presentation.

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This is a final replat, a residential replat.

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That's why we're here for a public hearing.

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It's for a property located on Bernard.

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711 is the address.

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Family zone DR2.

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The property is approximately .289 acres.

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The applicant is proposing to subdivide the lot.

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It is currently platted, but subdividing the lot into two

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lots, one lot in front and a

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flag lot to the rear.

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The dimensions and requirements per the DDC has all been

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met.

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They also meet the density requirements.

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We sent out notices per state law within 200 feet and the

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subdivision and have not received

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any letters or responses of any opposition neutral or in

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favor.

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With that, staff recommends approval of this final replat,

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residential replat of 711 Bernard.

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Commissioner Beck.

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Thank you, Chair.

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The name kind of throws you off the treehouse apartment.

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Yes.

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There's actually nothing there right now.

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So it's going to build a duplex.

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Can you go back to the site map that you showed?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So how are the people in the back going to access and park?

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There's a 21 access easement by this plat.

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And so I believe there's an existing drive here now.

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They're just going to extend that.

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The treehouse apartment name came by way of them platting

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this lot.

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I think it was last year wanted to develop apartments, but

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they were not able to meet

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that either financially or with the size of the lot.

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So they came back and wanted to replat it so that they can

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build two duplexes on this.

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So parking will occur on that little inlet street?

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No, this is access.

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So it's an easement.

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So they won't be able to park there.

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This is just the driveway easement.

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Okay.

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It will be required to park within the subject lot.

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Is there garages then?

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We haven't seen the site plan, but they will have to meet

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all the development requirements

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in order to develop.

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Okay.

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Great.

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Thanks.

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Any other questions for Ron?

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Thank you very much.

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Item four.

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I do have one.

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Commissioner Burnetta.

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Kind of piggybacking on what Commissioner Beck just said.

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So there's no parking on that.

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That's just an entryway, right?

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It's an access easement, yes.

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And based on where that is around the university, there's

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almost no street parking on there.

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They will be required to have parking on the property.

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Correct.

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Per the development code, there are parking requirements on

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site and they will have to

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meet that in order to develop.

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All right.

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Excellent.

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Thank you.

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Yes.

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Thank you, Ron.

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Okay.

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Next is 4D Cindy Jackson again for a rezone.

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Okay.

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I am going to combine the presentation for Z170004 and S17

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008 into one since they both

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are on the same lot.

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This is a request to public hearings.

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It's a request to provide an initial zoning designation of

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NR6 on approximately 118.04

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acres of land.

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The second request is a SUP for manufactured housing

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development.

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You'll notice on the aerial map here, I've got a red dashed

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line along here.

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This demarcates that area that is being considered for

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zoning.

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It's to the north of this line and the SUP, it includes all

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of the area inside the yellow

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box.

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The subject site is generally located north of McKinney

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Street and west of South Trinity

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Road, which is right here.

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Current zoning on the site is RD5X because the site was

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actually annexed into the city

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last August.

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The site has a placeholder zoning of RD5X.

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They're requesting an initial zoning designation of NR6.

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This will be an extension of the existing NR6 that you can

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see located on the south

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of the site.

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This is the proposed concept plan.

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The total land area when you include the area that is

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already zoned along McKinney Street

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is 126.1 gross acres and that includes the 118 proposed for

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rezoning.

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The ESA is 18.5 acres and you can see this here, the

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applicant is proposing to preserve

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100% of the ESA on the site.

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The open space on the site equates to 15.4 acres and you

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can see all the open space and

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parks that are being proposed for this site.

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There's pocket parks all over the site.

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The modular and manufactured homes are located within the

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yellow areas along here.

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There's 497 stands proposed and then six single family one

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acre lots are proposed along the

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east side along Trinity.

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The overall density of the site is four dwelling units per

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acre.

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When looking at rezoning a site, the criteria that we use

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is in section 35.3.4b which says

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that the proposed rezoning must conform to the future land

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use element of the Denton

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Plan 2030 and the proposed rezoning facilitates the

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adequate provision of transportation,

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water, sewer schools, parks and other public requirements

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and public convenience.

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When looking at the future land use, sorry I'm trying to

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get caught up here.

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Based on the Denton Plan 2030, the most appropriate zoning

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for the site is the NR4 zoning district

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with a future land use designation of low residential.

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Pretty much the NR6 that is proposed meets the intent of

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the future land use only when

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you apply the conditions for approval that staff is

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recommending which limits the density

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to four dwelling units per gross acre as shown on the

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concept plan.

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The applicant is planning to provide let's see two left

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turn lanes into the site from

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McKinney Street.

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The ultimate right of way for Post Oak Road which will be

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along here will be dedicated

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equating to 1100 linear feet parallel to the subject site

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and it will be dedicated with

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this project.

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The four lane intersection of Post Oak and McKinney will be

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constructed with this by

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the developer with this application and that will include a

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traffic signal as well.

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There are two planned access points along Post Oak.

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There is a full access located to the north and a right in

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right out located closer to

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the intersection.

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The applicant is also proposing as I mentioned earlier to

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preserve 100% of the ESA located

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on the site.

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Adjoinage analysis will be completed during the plotting

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and civil engineering of the

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site to ensure no negative impact to adjoining properties.

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As noted previously the requested NR6 is a continuation of

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the NR6 that is located along

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McKinney Street.

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The uses permitted in the NR6 district are consistent with

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the uses that exist in the

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area today however at a lower density.

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The reason that the applicant requested the NR6 as opposed

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to the NR4 is because the NR6

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it permits a manufactured housing park upon approval of a

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SUP.

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But the applicant is trying to keep it to NR4 standards

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with their density.

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The uses surrounding the area we've got Ashley Oaks which

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is a mobile home park that has

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been --

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Commissioner Smith.

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Thank you Chair.

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You're probably about to answer my question but if NR6 and

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the mobile the manufactured

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home park and everything else but Ashley Oaks is NR2?

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Ashley Oaks is NR2 and I really don't know why.

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Neither do I.

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It was constructed in between 1985 and 86.

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And it was zoned NR2 during the 2002 rezoning.

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My thought is that it probably was just complying with the

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underlying future land use designation

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that it has which is low residential.

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That's the only -- it doesn't comply.

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It's a nonconforming use.

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And the other mobile home park that's just south of the

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property, the subject property,

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that's all RD5X?

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That has been annexed in.

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It hasn't been zoned.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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So it's RD5X.

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It's placeholder.

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Okay.

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And traditionally Cindy whenever we do have a manufactured

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home park like that would this

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be the best way for them to go?

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It would be NR6 with an SCP for --

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That's what we required.

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That's what you would -- anybody comes in and says I want

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to build a manufactured home

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you can find NR6 and you need to apply for SCP.

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That's right.

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Understood.

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We worked pretty extensively with the applicant.

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We've been working with the applicant for over a year now.

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Two years.

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Two years.

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That's why it's got 17 on it.

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Yeah, on this site.

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The applicant has significantly reduced the density of this

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site since it first came in.

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And he's also -- they've also introduced the single family

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home sites that are along Trinity

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to bring down the density.

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So the applicant has been very cooperative in working with

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the city and trying to get

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this to a place where it is approvable with conditions.

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Okay.

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I'll let you keep going.

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Commissioner Beck.

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Thank you, Chair.

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Oh, dear Lord.

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Sorry.

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We'll come back to you.

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Yeah.

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We'll probably come back.

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Well, let me ask something that I'm going to ask later

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since I can't remember this one

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right.

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Can you go back to the concept plan?

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Mm-hmm.

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I'll go forward to it.

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Okay.

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Just north of where the six one-acre lots are, there's a

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little strip of land there

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that will back up to the phase three.

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Right here?

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No, go to the white area.

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Yes, that area right there.

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That's a real narrow strip.

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And as we look at, you know, the design here, it doesn't

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look like you could build much

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on that.

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And I know there's probably no answer for this, but that's

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going to be probably left

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vacant, or we have no idea.

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Right now, I don't know.

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And it's already --

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It's not in the city yet.

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Oh, it hasn't been --

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No.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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I thought it was already --

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Let me get back to the -- see, that's not the right way.

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See, that's not -- oh, it is the city.

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It is already.

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Yes, it's already 5X.

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Yeah.

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It came into the city.

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That's going to be interesting to see who --

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The public's got a single-family house on it.

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I did check that.

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That's going to be interesting to see who requested zone

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designation for that and what

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it is.

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Just out of curiosity, too, that little strip along McKin

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ney there that was already in R6.

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Mm-hmm.

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Okay.

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Was there -- there's nothing there, though.

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No.

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Okay.

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It's odd why they would just do that little strip.

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Well, that's what they did back when they did strip zoning.

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Strip annexation, rather.

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Yeah.

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They annexed 1,000 feet and then they strip --

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Okay.

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-- zoned it.

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Strip zoned it.

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To what -- we're not sure why they recommended that in 2002

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.

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Okay.

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Because we've got -- it's kind of like we've got a

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transition going here.

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NRMU.

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Yeah.

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Then NR6 and then NR2.

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Okay.

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And I did -- yeah.

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I did recall what I was trying to say.

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Now they'll be expected to meet the criteria for parking of

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NR6, right?

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Well, they're expected to meet the criteria for parking of

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single-family homes, manufactured

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homes, which is two parking spaces.

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Okay.

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That's different from regular NR6?

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NR6 doesn't have parking regulations.

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No.

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It's for use.

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Oh.

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Okay.

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Commissioner Sanchez?

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You mentioned that you had worked extensively with them to

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bring the numbers down.

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Why were you working to bring those numbers down as far as

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how -- the number of structures

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when you were -- I know you're willing -- they want to --

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NR6, but why were you working -- why

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was that such an important thing to bring those numbers

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down?

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Because of opposition from the neighborhood that is located

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to the north, significantly

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to the north, Lakeview --

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[ Inaudible ]

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Yes.

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They had significant concerns expressed that to get to and

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from 380, people would come

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out here and go along Trinity through their neighborhood to

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get to 380.

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So what the applicant did -- well, first he put those

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single-family houses along here,

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which is -- it serves as a transition between the higher-d

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ensity park and uses to the east.

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And then he pretty much directed all of the traffic.

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As you can see, all the traffic is directed to the west.

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The timing of the development of this, if it's approved,

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McKinney Street is anticipated

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to be widened in approximately two years.

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It's under design right now.

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And Mayhill Road is expected to be completed within two

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years.

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So once this is developed, there will be little impact on

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the traffic because of those improvements.

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Plus we've got post-doc that the applicant will be

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constructing to give additional access

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to the site off of McKinney away from Trinity.

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Okay.

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>> Because how many -- what would be the difference between

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how many different structures with

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an NR6 and an NR4?

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Like you say, most people are going to be going out McKin

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ney.

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Very few people are going to go up to 380 unless they're

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going to use 380 if they have

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to -- they're going to take Trinity even if they have to go

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on 380.

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It doesn't make any difference.

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Not that many people.

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So I just didn't understand that.

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Okay.

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Well, that is just the feeling of those people in that

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neighborhood.

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Even at the meeting that we had Monday night, which I gave

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you a synopsis, the applicant

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explained how all the traffic's been diverted to the west.

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And they were still saying that, you know, people are still

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going to go up through their

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neighborhood to get to 380.

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But realistically, if you've got McKinney improved and May

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hill is improved, it's much

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easier and expeditious to go to McKinney and up Mayhill

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than it is to go through a two-lane

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road and over a one-lane bridge to -- and through

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residential to try to get to 380.

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All right.

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All right.

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Commissioner Beck.

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Thank you, Chair.

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It was mentioned in our material that they're going to be

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putting a masonry wall on the

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south facing and the east facing.

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But they didn't mention anything in that right of way or

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where POSOK is going to come through

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or they going to -- is that -- they're not going to be a m

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asonry wall there?

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I believe there is, yes.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Thanks.

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Commissioner Ellis.

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Thank you, Chair.

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So those six one-acre lots --

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Yeah.

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Are they within the gate of the gated manufacturer?

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No.

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They're not.

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They're going to be outside of --

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Yeah.

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They'll be their own little subdivision there.

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Okay.

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But they're part of this SUP only because it's part of the

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conditions of approval.

00:26:01.319 --> 00:26:04.000
That they need to remain as six one-acre lots.

00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:05.000
Understood.

00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:06.000
Okay.

00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:13.000
Let's see where it was.

00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:20.640
Oh, okay.

00:26:20.640 --> 00:26:24.579
When you compare the density of the two mobile home parks

00:26:24.579 --> 00:26:26.720
that are here on either side,

00:26:26.720 --> 00:26:32.269
actually the density of 5.99 dwelling units per acre and I

00:26:32.269 --> 00:26:35.480
believe it's Denton Falls has

00:26:35.480 --> 00:26:40.720
a density of 5.12 dwelling units per acre.

00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:45.640
These are more of the trailer park homes that we're used to

00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:47.039
and these types of homes won't

00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:48.519
be in this park.

00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:52.460
This park will only be manufactured and modular homes which

00:26:52.460 --> 00:26:54.700
, by the way, the city considers

00:26:54.700 --> 00:26:57.160
modular homes to be single family.

00:26:57.160 --> 00:27:01.319
So they would be allowed on this site by right.

00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:08.250
If they were put into a lot instead of on a stand in a park

00:27:08.250 --> 00:27:08.759
.

00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:09.759
Commissioner Begg.

00:27:09.759 --> 00:27:10.759
Thank you, Chair.

00:27:10.759 --> 00:27:11.759
And they're going to be put on foundations.

00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:12.759
Yes.

00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:13.759
Are those slab foundations?

00:27:13.759 --> 00:27:14.759
Concrete reinforced foundations.

00:27:14.759 --> 00:27:15.759
Okay.

00:27:15.759 --> 00:27:16.759
Not pure and mean.

00:27:16.759 --> 00:27:17.759
Okay.

00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:20.759
Either way is fine.

00:27:20.759 --> 00:27:21.759
Okay.

00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:22.759
Notices.

00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:27.609
We have about 16 notices via certified mail within 200 feet

00:27:27.609 --> 00:27:29.759
of the site and 19 notices

00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:33.759
via regular mail.

00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:35.759
We've got two in opposition.

00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:40.019
The two parks that are located on either side, they said

00:27:40.019 --> 00:27:42.400
that it would be detrimental to

00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:43.880
their business.

00:27:43.880 --> 00:27:48.920
Those two parks, however, equate to 28% of the land area

00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:52.359
within the 200 feet of the subject

00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:56.039
site and triggered the requirement for a super majority

00:27:56.039 --> 00:27:58.240
vote of the council in order to be

00:27:58.240 --> 00:28:00.480
approved.

00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:03.799
Three signs were also posted on this site.

00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:10.799
And I gave you all of the responses that we got for this.

00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:11.799
Commissioner Smith.

00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:12.799
Thank you, Chair.

00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:16.410
Just to be clear, they're in opposition because it's

00:28:16.410 --> 00:28:17.599
competition.

00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:19.400
That's what they stated on all of the notices.

00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:20.400
Yeah, they did.

00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:21.400
They did.

00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:22.400
I hope everyone understood that.

00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:23.400
I'm going to say that to the public.

00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:25.519
I'm going to say to the public session that you're only

00:28:25.519 --> 00:28:27.200
against it because it's competition

00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:29.160
and you don't want competition next to you.

00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:30.160
Okay.

00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:31.160
Understood.

00:28:31.160 --> 00:28:32.160
Thank you.

00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:33.160
Okay.

00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:36.390
Staff recommends approval of this request subject to the

00:28:36.390 --> 00:28:37.960
following conditions.

00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:41.200
These conditions will bring the site into compliance with

00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:42.799
the goals and objectives of

00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:44.359
the Denton Plan 2030.

00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:47.119
The proposed conditions for approval are an overlay be

00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:48.759
placed on the site with the following

00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:49.759
requirements.

00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:52.980
The maximum permitted density on the site shall be no more

00:28:52.980 --> 00:28:54.480
than four dwelling units

00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:58.519
per gross acre and permitted land uses on the site.

00:28:58.519 --> 00:29:01.849
Our modular and manufactured homes as shown on the concept

00:29:01.849 --> 00:29:03.440
plan and six single family

00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:08.809
detached housing lots, minimum one acre lots located along

00:29:08.809 --> 00:29:10.440
South Trinity.

00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:13.829
I originally had in here the number of stands that would be

00:29:13.829 --> 00:29:15.400
required and all that.

00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:18.589
However, I realized that for the zoning site that doesn't

00:29:18.589 --> 00:29:20.119
include the whole site.

00:29:20.119 --> 00:29:24.829
So that many stands on this part of the site would really

00:29:24.829 --> 00:29:26.119
be a crunch.

00:29:26.119 --> 00:29:30.680
It is on the requirements for the SUP though.

00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:31.680
Okay.

00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:33.440
Now we're going to move on to--

00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:35.480
Cindy, can I stop you real fast?

00:29:35.480 --> 00:29:37.809
On zoning requests, typically we see a slide that there's

00:29:37.809 --> 00:29:39.039
two conditions that we look

00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:41.789
at, future land use map and then capacity for

00:29:41.789 --> 00:29:42.240
infrastructure.

00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:44.359
I didn't see that slide.

00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:49.950
Okay, there is the future land use map and there's the

00:29:49.950 --> 00:29:51.160
zoning.

00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:52.160
Perfect.

00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:56.720
So on the future land use map, looks like individuals

00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:59.759
before us on a previous P&Z thought

00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:02.599
that this area should be rural and low residential and

00:30:02.599 --> 00:30:05.039
everything that goes along with that impact

00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:08.200
fees and stuff we've been talking about in terms of growth

00:30:08.200 --> 00:30:10.000
projections have that as rural

00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:11.000
and low.

00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:14.430
So it seems with the two analysis, it does not meet this

00:30:14.430 --> 00:30:14.920
one.

00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:15.920
This is-- and NR6--

00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:19.390
NR6 does not meet this one unless you apply those

00:30:19.390 --> 00:30:22.920
conditions which restrict the density.

00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:24.119
To four.

00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:27.599
To four which would be consistent with the low density.

00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:29.480
NR4 is considered low density.

00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:30.480
Yes, it is.

00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:31.480
Okay, perfect.

00:30:31.480 --> 00:30:32.480
Thanks.

00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:33.480
Commissioner Smith.

00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:37.470
And right now, the concept plan that I saw in there has 500

00:30:37.470 --> 00:30:39.480
something units, correct?

00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:44.509
There's 503 units total but that includes the six single

00:30:44.509 --> 00:30:45.440
family.

00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:48.039
If you remove the six single family, then there's 497.

00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:51.039
It's made of tomato.

00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:52.759
So 500 units.

00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:55.519
We're going to round up.

00:30:55.519 --> 00:31:02.119
118 acres, NR6, I mean they're not building at an NR4 level

00:31:02.119 --> 00:31:02.519
.

00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:06.259
So if we suggested it, came back and suggested it as a

00:31:06.259 --> 00:31:09.079
commission, whatever we are, we can

00:31:09.079 --> 00:31:11.890
make it and suggest it as a commission, NR4 instead to them

00:31:11.890 --> 00:31:12.119
.

00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:14.869
We can't do that because it's a manufacturer and everything

00:31:14.869 --> 00:31:15.119
else.

00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:16.119
Well, if you suggest NR4--

00:31:16.119 --> 00:31:18.119
And we're going to be suggesting NR4, I guess we're going

00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:19.039
to be limiting, right?

00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:21.559
Because we can't suggest NR4 because the NR4 doesn't allow

00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:22.920
for the SEP for manufacturing

00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:23.920
homes.

00:31:23.920 --> 00:31:24.920
Right.

00:31:24.920 --> 00:31:26.970
And that is why we've got the maximum permitted density on

00:31:26.970 --> 00:31:28.079
the site shall be no more than

00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:29.559
Fort Dwell and Uniper for a acre.

00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:31.319
That's-- I was looking at something else we said earlier.

00:31:31.319 --> 00:31:32.319
You're so smart, Cindy.

00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:33.319
I'm an idiot.

00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:34.319
I just have been practicing.

00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:35.319
I'm going to go back to the other one.

00:31:35.319 --> 00:31:39.279
I'm just going to be practicing.

00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:44.519
And then we'll move on to the next request.

00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:50.019
This is the second public hearing, S170008, a request for a

00:31:50.019 --> 00:31:52.000
specific use permit for a

00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:56.660
manufactured housing development and approximately 126.1

00:31:56.660 --> 00:31:57.759
acres of land.

00:31:57.759 --> 00:32:00.779
You'll notice that the red line is gone and this is for the

00:32:00.779 --> 00:32:01.680
entire site.

00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:04.640
The subject site again is generally located north of East

00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:06.119
McKinney Street and west of

00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:12.480
South Trinity Road which are located here and here.

00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:16.559
Here's the proposed SUP concept plan again.

00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:19.039
I'm not going to go through all those slides again.

00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:23.000
I'll just remind you that it's 126.1 gross acres.

00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:27.279
The ESA area, they've got 18.5 acres of ESA.

00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:32.079
They're proposing to preserve 100% of the ESA on the site.

00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:36.359
Open space on this is 15.4 acres.

00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:40.759
Manufactured housing stands are 497 and then there are six

00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:43.000
one-acre single family lots.

00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:47.369
Overall density of the site is four dwelling units per acre

00:32:47.369 --> 00:32:47.680
.

00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:49.519
Okay.

00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:54.309
Now when we're looking at an SUP, we look at section 3564

00:32:54.309 --> 00:32:56.339
and we do a compatibility

00:32:56.339 --> 00:32:59.619
analysis between the surrounding property and the requested

00:32:59.619 --> 00:33:01.119
use including the specific

00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:04.170
use will not impede the normal and orderly development of

00:33:04.170 --> 00:33:06.240
the surrounding vacant property,

00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:10.390
parking, generation of traffic and access, nuisance

00:33:10.390 --> 00:33:13.599
prevention, landscaping and screening

00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:19.240
and architectural compatibility.

00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:24.089
This analysis is all in your backup so I'm not going to

00:33:24.089 --> 00:33:26.319
read it word for word.

00:33:26.319 --> 00:33:29.490
With the proposed density of four dwelling units per acre,

00:33:29.490 --> 00:33:31.119
this development has a lower

00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:35.690
density than the mobile home parks to the east and west as

00:33:35.690 --> 00:33:37.319
I noted earlier.

00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:40.630
The applicant has included six acres located on the west

00:33:40.630 --> 00:33:42.480
side of South Trinity which is

00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:47.119
to be developed with a one-acre single family home sites.

00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:51.259
This will provide greater compatibility to the land to the

00:33:51.259 --> 00:33:51.880
east.

00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:54.710
The applicant in response to concerns expressed by

00:33:54.710 --> 00:33:57.079
residents in the area has a limited access

00:33:57.079 --> 00:34:00.869
to and from the site via Trinity Road except for a gated

00:34:00.869 --> 00:34:03.079
emergency access that is only

00:34:03.079 --> 00:34:08.599
accessible by emergency vehicles and the police.

00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:11.679
Water is available from McKinney Street and improvements to

00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:13.400
the lift station will be located

00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:17.739
to-- the lift station located on Trinity may be needed to

00:34:17.739 --> 00:34:20.440
facilitate this development.

00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:23.559
The proposed development complies with element seven of the

00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:25.840
Denton Plan 2030, specifically

00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:30.409
element seven, encourage-- establishes a goal to encourage

00:34:30.409 --> 00:34:32.960
housing type, cost and location

00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:34.599
choices.

00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:37.360
In order to achieve this goal, the plan addresses

00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:39.440
affordable housing with a policy to quote,

00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:42.199
expand the availability of affordable housing choices for

00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:43.679
community members most in need

00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:47.099
of housing including those with low incomes and special

00:34:47.099 --> 00:34:47.739
needs.

00:34:47.739 --> 00:34:50.730
The proposed manufactured housing development will provide

00:34:50.730 --> 00:34:52.519
another affordable housing option

00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:56.719
for Denton residents.

00:34:56.719 --> 00:35:04.110
Notification, we sent out 17 notices within 200 feet of the

00:35:04.110 --> 00:35:06.960
site via certified mail and

00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:11.679
20 notices within 500 feet of the site via regular mail.

00:35:11.679 --> 00:35:15.619
The responses to the legal notice, we received one in

00:35:15.619 --> 00:35:18.539
opposition which is this large property

00:35:18.539 --> 00:35:21.679
owner right here.

00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:27.719
And again, that equates to 28% of the land area within 200

00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:29.880
feet of the site and will

00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:34.800
trigger a super majority vote of the council to approve

00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:36.599
this SUP as well.

00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:39.949
>> So any of the two businesses to the west and east were

00:35:39.949 --> 00:35:41.320
silent on the SUP?

00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:45.820
>> I believe they thought maybe if they opposed the zoning,

00:35:45.820 --> 00:35:47.800
the SUP is a moot point.

00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:50.760
I'm just conjecturing but that seems logical.

00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:52.360
>> Commissioner Ellis.

00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:54.559
>> Thank you, Chair.

00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:57.840
And on that point, did this property owner oppose the

00:35:57.840 --> 00:35:59.039
zoning change?

00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:00.039
>> No.

00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:01.039
>> Okay.

00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:04.840
>> They probably got-- >> Commissioner Beck.

00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:09.329
>> Well, they got inundated with notices to be honest with

00:36:09.329 --> 00:36:11.920
you because we did originally--

00:36:11.920 --> 00:36:14.900
this was originally on your schedule in January, last

00:36:14.900 --> 00:36:16.840
January and we pulled it to do all of

00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:18.440
this additional work.

00:36:18.440 --> 00:36:22.670
And so they got notices in January which I included in the

00:36:22.670 --> 00:36:24.280
packet I gave out.

00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:27.360
And we got notices this time as well.

00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:31.079
So and they each got two notices for SUP and rezoning.

00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:35.050
So it could very well be that they just got too many

00:36:35.050 --> 00:36:37.719
notices and just decided to fill

00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:38.719
out one.

00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:39.719
>> Commissioner Beck.

00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:40.719
>> Thank you, Chair.

00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:43.559
I noticed in your information, you know, that they had a

00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:45.400
neighborhood meeting nearly a year

00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:46.400
ago.

00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:47.400
>> Yes.

00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:48.400
>> November 11, 2017.

00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:51.340
It was recommended that they hold another one which I think

00:36:51.340 --> 00:36:52.639
is a good idea but as yet,

00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:54.440
we haven't set anything up.

00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:56.960
>> Well, actually, it was Monday night and I gave you a syn

00:36:56.960 --> 00:36:58.480
opsis of the meeting tonight.

00:36:58.480 --> 00:36:59.480
>> Oh, okay.

00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:00.480
That's what this is.

00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:01.480
>> Okay.

00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:02.480
So they have had a second meeting.

00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:03.480
>> Yes, they did.

00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:04.480
>> And we still have this opposition.

00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:05.480
>> Yes.

00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:06.480
>> Okay.

00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:07.480
Got you.

00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:08.480
Thanks.

00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:09.480
>> Commissioner Sanchez.

00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:11.079
>> You mentioned this affordable housing.

00:37:11.079 --> 00:37:13.840
Had they talked to you about what kind of prices those

00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:15.480
mobile homes are going to be?

00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:17.480
We're looking at HOA, I assume, right?

00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:18.480
>> Well, yeah.

00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:19.480
>> I think it's going to be an HOA.

00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:21.210
>> There will be an HOA and I know during the public

00:37:21.210 --> 00:37:22.679
hearing, the applicant will be able

00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:26.250
to address those questions about price points and the HOA

00:37:26.250 --> 00:37:26.840
dues.

00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:27.840
>> Okay.

00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:28.840
I didn't know if that discussed that with you.

00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:29.840
>> Yeah.

00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:30.840
>> Okay.

00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:31.840
>> I don't know.

00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:32.840
>> I don't know.

00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:33.840
>> Okay.

00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:34.840
>> I'm sorry.

00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:35.840
>> Okay.

00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:38.590
>> Staff recommends approval of this request subject to the

00:37:38.590 --> 00:37:39.679
conditions in Exhibit 7.

00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:43.280
Now, I've got them right here, but I also -- I can read

00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:45.079
them all if you'd like.

00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:47.400
>> I don't know if that's necessary.

00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:48.400
>> Okay.

00:37:48.400 --> 00:37:49.400
Okay.

00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:50.400
Because I'm prepared to read them all if you'd like.

00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:51.400
>> No, I think we're okay.

00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:52.400
>> You know --

00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:53.400
>> Just kidding.

00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:56.699
Cindy, I don't know if I missed this or if you could point

00:37:56.699 --> 00:37:57.639
it out to me.

00:37:57.639 --> 00:38:00.099
Do you have the total number of acres that will be

00:38:00.099 --> 00:38:01.760
developed when you minus out the parks

00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:05.699
and the ESA or do you have the average size lot that's

00:38:05.699 --> 00:38:07.760
being used or leveraged?

00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:13.909
>> Well, there -- if you -- on the exhibit that is in your

00:38:13.909 --> 00:38:17.000
packet, it actually has all

00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:23.519
of that broken down.

00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:24.519
>> On their site plan?

00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:25.519
>> Mm-hmm.

00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:27.960
>> Yeah, in the corner down here?

00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:28.960
>> Yep.

00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:29.960
Thank you.

00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:39.199
>> Well, that concludes my presentation.

00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:44.280
>> Any other questions for Cindy?

00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:45.280
Great job.

00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:46.280
Did a lot of hard work.

00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:47.280
>> Thank you.

00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:52.000
>> Cindy, you have the next one.

00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:53.000
>> I do.

00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:54.000
Let me go get my file.

00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:55.000
>> Okay.

00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:56.000
Okay.

00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:26.000
S180002 is a request by Budget Self Storage for a specific

00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:26.000
use permit to allow quick vehicle servicing in suite 110

00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:39.000
and 111 of Budget Self Storage.

00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:43.000
The property is located at 2820 Virginia Circle.

00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:46.000
Virginia Circle actually runs parallel to University.

00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:50.329
Here's Virginia Circle and here's University and here's the

00:39:50.329 --> 00:39:51.000
loop.

00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:55.849
This is actually an ALTA survey showing you everything that

00:39:55.849 --> 00:39:57.000
's on the site.

00:39:57.000 --> 00:40:01.010
And the location of the two vehicle repair facilities are

00:40:01.010 --> 00:40:04.000
located in this corner here.

00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:10.989
And then the parking, they've got 12 parking spaces over

00:40:10.989 --> 00:40:12.000
here.

00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:16.849
The site was developed as a storage facility back in the 80

00:40:16.849 --> 00:40:17.000
s.

00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:23.119
And then this, according to DCAD, was constructed sometime

00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:25.000
in the 90s.

00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:29.000
I couldn't find any records on it.

00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:31.000
A history of the site.

00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:35.750
In 1985, the site was platted and the self-serve storage

00:40:35.750 --> 00:40:38.000
facility was constructed.

00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:43.190
In 2002, it was rezoned from C to NRMU in the citywide rez

00:40:43.190 --> 00:40:44.000
oning.

00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:49.210
In 2010, CO, a certificate of occupancy, was approved for

00:40:49.210 --> 00:40:55.000
retail sales of automotive electronics in suite 110.

00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:59.849
And also in 2010, a CO was denied for auto repair in suite

00:40:59.849 --> 00:41:01.000
111.

00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:05.000
The CO, the applicant then revised the CO to read office

00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:11.000
and the CO was approved for "office only" in suite 111.

00:41:11.000 --> 00:41:15.940
Now, this is actually the result of a code enforcement

00:41:15.940 --> 00:41:17.000
action.

00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:21.849
Last year, we received a complaint about an auto repair

00:41:21.849 --> 00:41:25.000
facility operating without a CO.

00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:29.130
That's when we, after a site visit and investigation, it

00:41:29.130 --> 00:41:33.000
was discovered that parking issues existed on the site

00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:38.280
and the two businesses were actually in violation of their

00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:39.000
COs.

00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:43.000
The applicant has three options to rectify the situation.

00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:47.699
One was, what was originally proposed to him was to rezone

00:41:47.699 --> 00:41:53.000
the entire site to CMG to rectify the situation.

00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:57.480
However, staff conferred with legal on this and the

00:41:57.480 --> 00:42:01.400
decision was that an SUP would be the more conservative way

00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:02.000
to go.

00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:07.280
If we rezone the site to CMG, we would create additional

00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:12.159
nonconformities because a self-storage facility requires an

00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:13.000
SUP in the CMG.

00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:17.219
And it's already a nonconforming special exception site

00:42:17.219 --> 00:42:23.949
right now and that would just flip it over into noncon

00:42:23.949 --> 00:42:27.000
forming if we did that.

00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:32.199
Here are some photos that were taken back last February and

00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:35.469
you can see the concerns staff has regarding parking on the

00:42:35.469 --> 00:42:36.000
site.

00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:40.739
These are the two businesses and at the time they had 15

00:42:40.739 --> 00:42:44.000
parallel parking spaces along here.

00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:47.679
In the course of reviewing this application, I determined

00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:50.000
that those 15 spaces were substandard,

00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:54.329
didn't meet the requirements of our parking, parallel

00:42:54.329 --> 00:42:56.000
parking dimensions,

00:42:56.000 --> 00:42:58.760
and the applicant did go ahead and restripe them to meet

00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:00.000
those requirements.

00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:03.000
So now there are 12 spaces in front.

00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:08.400
This, what you see here, they are also doing overflow

00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:13.000
parking on the vacant lot adjacent to them.

00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:17.000
So as you can see, parking is a real issue on this site.

00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:18.000
Commissioner Smith.

00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:19.000
Thank you, Chair.

00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:21.000
Just a clarification of one of the documents we have here.

00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:25.280
The Haney's Auto, I mean everything is all budget self-st

00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:26.000
orage, budget self-storage.

00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:29.780
Is Haney's Auto, is it one of the two businesses or both

00:43:29.780 --> 00:43:31.000
businesses?

00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:34.000
No, we've got two businesses, Haney's Auto and Melton's.

00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:36.000
And they rent out from budget?

00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:37.000
That's right, they're tenants.

00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:40.000
And the property owner is the applicant, which is budget

00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:41.000
self-storage.

00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:42.000
Okay, all right.

00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:45.969
So the property owner is basically representing two of his

00:43:45.969 --> 00:43:48.000
tenants in this scenario.

00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:49.000
That's correct.

00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:54.329
However, the representative of the property owner let me

00:43:54.329 --> 00:43:57.000
know that he couldn't be here tonight.

00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:59.000
And he said that one of the tenants was going to be here,

00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:03.000
but I'm not sure which one, to be honest with you.

00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:10.000
I was going to go looking for him when we were done here.

00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:11.000
Commissioner Sanchez.

00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:15.030
When you say the overflow parking is, this is a vacant lot,

00:44:15.030 --> 00:44:18.000
it doesn't belong to the owner, right?

00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:19.000
No, it doesn't.

00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:20.530
It's just, okay, it has nothing to do with existing

00:44:20.530 --> 00:44:21.000
businesses.

00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:25.239
Right, if you look on the aerial, you can see it on the

00:44:25.239 --> 00:44:27.000
aerial too.

00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:30.000
Mm-hmm, okay.

00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:32.000
Commissioner Burnetta.

00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:36.000
So it's currently still used for storage facility, correct?

00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:38.000
Yes, yes.

00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:42.000
This part of it is office warehouse, this one building.

00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:46.260
And if the rest of these, all of the rest of these are self

00:44:46.260 --> 00:44:48.000
-service storage.

00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:51.809
And the current parking requirements, the 12 parking spaces

00:44:51.809 --> 00:44:54.929
, those are meant to accommodate people who would be coming

00:44:54.929 --> 00:44:56.000
in and out of the storage?

00:44:56.000 --> 00:45:00.000
They're meant to accommodate this building right here.

00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:01.000
Okay.

00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:04.219
At the time this was developed, we didn't really have

00:45:04.219 --> 00:45:07.000
parking requirements for self-storage.

00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:08.000
Okay.

00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:09.000
Thank you.

00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:13.000
There is parking right here for the office.

00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:16.000
Yeah, Mr. Linnatter, attorney.

00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:20.199
I just wanted to clarify, the vacant lot to the west, that

00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:24.000
's not included, correct, in this SGP request?

00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:28.000
I just want to make sure I'm just clarifying.

00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:32.000
The vacant lot where there's overflow parking, that's not

00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:34.000
included in this request?

00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:35.000
Commissioner Ellis.

00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:36.000
Thank you, chair.

00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:38.099
I wouldn't think that's probably even owned by the same

00:45:38.099 --> 00:45:39.000
person, correct?

00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:40.000
Correct.

00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:41.000
Right, yeah.

00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:45.000
And there's over 20 cars parked on that piece of property.

00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:47.940
Well, I know that we've talked to the owner of the adjacent

00:45:47.940 --> 00:45:51.280
property through the pre-development meeting process, so

00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:56.000
they are looking to develop the site.

00:45:56.000 --> 00:45:57.000
You saw the floor.

00:45:57.000 --> 00:45:59.820
Yeah, they have a for sale sign on that lot that is kind of

00:45:59.820 --> 00:46:03.000
being shadowed over by the 20 some cars that are on it.

00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:06.000
But there is a for sale sign.

00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:08.000
Commissioner Beck.

00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:11.000
There was the one notification sign out front.

00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:13.760
Should there have been one to notify the residents that sit

00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:15.000
behind them a little bit?

00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:17.000
I know there's a pretty good buffer there, but...

00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:19.000
We put them along the right of way.

00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:21.000
The signs are required to be put along the right of way.

00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:22.000
Okay, so...

00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:24.000
And they've only got frontage along that one street.

00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:27.469
Okay, so it's possible that the residences are within 200

00:46:27.469 --> 00:46:28.000
feet.

00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:31.679
Within 200 and 500 feet, the residents behind them got

00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:34.000
either a certified notice or a postcard.

00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:36.000
Okay.

00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:38.000
Commissioner Sanchez.

00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:43.000
As I was reading through this, you don't recommend that...

00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:46.090
your recommendation is not to accept it, but you also... I

00:46:46.090 --> 00:46:50.480
think you also state that if we do recommend it, that there

00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:55.199
are certain things they have to do in order for them to

00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:57.000
continue running a business.

00:46:57.000 --> 00:46:58.000
Running a business there.

00:46:58.000 --> 00:46:59.000
Exactly.

00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:00.000
Okay.

00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:01.000
Exactly.

00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:04.159
Staff felt that we really couldn't recommend approval of

00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:07.000
something we'd already recommended denial of.

00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:11.440
We initially recommended denial of the CO in 2010 for

00:47:11.440 --> 00:47:15.619
automotive repair based on the fact that it required an SUP

00:47:15.619 --> 00:47:16.000
.

00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:19.130
So now we have the SUP, but it's very clear that there are

00:47:19.130 --> 00:47:21.000
parking issues on the site.

00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:24.000
So we felt we still could not recommend approval of it.

00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:28.210
The applicant has been extremely cooperative with staff and

00:47:28.210 --> 00:47:31.000
has done everything staff has asked.

00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:34.809
And so we've done what we've done is what we call a soft

00:47:34.809 --> 00:47:39.000
denial, saying, well, we can't really approve it.

00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:42.000
You guys have the ability to approve it.

00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:46.469
If you do, these are the standards that should be placed on

00:47:46.469 --> 00:47:47.000
it.

00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:48.000
Commissioner Beck.

00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:50.000
Do you want to follow up?

00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:51.000
Okay.

00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:55.400
So say if we did approve it, is there anything that we

00:47:55.400 --> 00:48:00.000
could give like a say a SUP with conditions if we don't

00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:03.780
meet our conditions within or if we find violations, we'll

00:48:03.780 --> 00:48:06.000
pull that SUP?

00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:08.000
Out of curiosity.

00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:09.000
I don't know.

00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:11.000
I have to defer to Jerry on that.

00:48:11.000 --> 00:48:13.940
I guess my thinking is he seems to -- he said I've got

00:48:13.940 --> 00:48:16.000
other locations to park my cars.

00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:19.000
I'll only put two vehicles in here and blah, blah, blah.

00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:23.400
So my question is if he did all that that he says he's

00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:28.460
going to do and we monitor him and find out, hey, you didn

00:48:28.460 --> 00:48:33.000
't -- SUP is being pulled just out of curiosity.

00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:35.989
Well, I expect that they will be monitored after we go

00:48:35.989 --> 00:48:39.250
through this process to make sure if it's approved to make

00:48:39.250 --> 00:48:42.000
sure that everything is being complied with.

00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:44.000
Okay.

00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:45.000
Jerry's looking that up.

00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:47.000
Commissioner Beck, do you want to --

00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:50.349
Just as some of you know, I went out there and looked at it

00:48:50.349 --> 00:48:51.000
today.

00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:53.780
In my opinion, I think the applicant is going to be hard

00:48:53.780 --> 00:48:56.000
pressed to meet parking requirements.

00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:58.750
The other facility talked about only handled a couple of

00:48:58.750 --> 00:48:59.000
cars.

00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:03.230
There were at least two dozen cars on that adjacent lot at

00:49:03.230 --> 00:49:04.000
least.

00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:07.219
And then you saw there was a lot of traffic right in front

00:49:07.219 --> 00:49:08.000
of it too.

00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:10.000
So he's going to be hard pressed to meet the parking need.

00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:15.170
And I hate the prospect of putting somebody out of business

00:49:15.170 --> 00:49:20.150
, but the fact that he applied for a CO under nebulous, de

00:49:20.150 --> 00:49:24.000
vious circumstances is troubling too.

00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:27.940
So just the parking situation is going to be difficult for

00:49:27.940 --> 00:49:29.000
him to meet.

00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:35.000
That's why I'm going to have a hard time approving it.

00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:36.000
And I agree with you.

00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:38.000
I kind of went with that.

00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:41.000
I drove by there and I saw that.

00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:43.179
But it's like you say, you know, it's hard to put somebody

00:49:43.179 --> 00:49:44.000
out of business.

00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:46.000
If he's willing, give him a second chance.

00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:47.000
That's what I'm thinking.

00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:51.050
If he doesn't, that's why I was just curious if it could be

00:49:51.050 --> 00:49:53.000
pulled if he did comply.

00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:54.000
Sure.

00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:55.000
No, I understand.

00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:56.000
But what I'm saying is I don't see how he can.

00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:58.000
I honestly don't see how he can.

00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:00.349
Essentially what they'd have to do is they'd have to make

00:50:00.349 --> 00:50:03.000
other arrangements for overnight parking of any vehicles.

00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:05.000
Right.

00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:10.000
They can pull some of them inside, but that's about that.

00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:12.860
That would only, I guess, maybe I don't know, three or four

00:50:12.860 --> 00:50:14.000
vehicles in there.

00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:17.119
And they've got significantly more vehicles on the site, so

00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:20.000
they would have to come up with other arrangements.

00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:22.559
I worked with the applicant trying to find somewhere else

00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:24.000
to put parking on this site.

00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:27.000
And it's so tight, there's nowhere to put parking.

00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:28.000
Krister Smith.

00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:29.000
Thank you, Chair.

00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:33.090
In a traditional sense, if there was to be an auto repair

00:50:33.090 --> 00:50:37.199
shop elsewhere for the size of the units they have, do you

00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:39.000
know how much parking would be normally required?

00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:44.059
Well, under the standards we used to park by, we would

00:50:44.059 --> 00:50:48.000
require one for 300 square feet.

00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:54.000
And each of those units are 300 square foot units?

00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:55.000
They're really small.

00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:56.000
Yeah, they're tiny.

00:50:56.000 --> 00:50:57.000
They're really small.

00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:00.210
But today we're doing auto, see, we don't have a parking

00:51:00.210 --> 00:51:04.000
requirement standard specifically for automotive repair.

00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:06.750
So the most recent standard that we use is the standard

00:51:06.750 --> 00:51:11.000
that they were parked by, which is office warehouse.

00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:14.230
And it would be the same parking requirements that they

00:51:14.230 --> 00:51:15.000
have now.

00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:18.480
So it really, they have 15 space, they really don't have 15

00:51:18.480 --> 00:51:22.000
, they say on the letter they have 15, they have 12 now.

00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:24.000
They have, there are 12 spaces shared with the applicant.

00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:27.000
But with everything else.

00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:33.519
And that 12 cannot include the square footage on the rest

00:51:33.519 --> 00:51:38.019
of the area, because the rest of the area is for self

00:51:38.019 --> 00:51:39.000
storage.

00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:42.000
It's not part of the SUP that's being requested.

00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:44.929
And so it can only be, parking spaces that are allowed,

00:51:44.929 --> 00:51:47.980
that they need, I guess, technically, are only the ones

00:51:47.980 --> 00:51:50.000
that are, that need are allowed.

00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:53.230
Well, they have, you know, we have the minimum maximum

00:51:53.230 --> 00:51:55.000
requirement for parking.

00:51:55.000 --> 00:51:59.550
And so the larger suite, which is 110 on the end, has four

00:51:59.550 --> 00:52:02.000
parking spaces of that 15.

00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:09.000
And then the 111 has three.

00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:11.000
Okay.

00:52:11.000 --> 00:52:17.000
Which is why I, in the recommendation, they can use two.

00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:20.000
The max is one per 300 square feet?

00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:22.000
No, one per, yeah, one per 300.

00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:27.000
If we parked it per retail, personal services, and that

00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:27.000
business.

00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:29.000
But that'd be the max, would be one per 300.

00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:30.000
Yeah.

00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:32.760
So right now, just by looking at the drawing that they gave

00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:40.000
us, 43 feet by 24 feet is about 1,000 square feet or so.

00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:43.000
So that's like three spaces, is their max.

00:52:43.000 --> 00:52:44.000
That's right.

00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:47.000
If you park it per office, the office is one space.

00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:51.000
And then the other one, the larger one, three spaces.

00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:52.000
So that would be.

00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:54.000
So they're really out of their parking.

00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:55.000
Yeah.

00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:57.750
Okay, thank you for the, just wanted to make sure the

00:52:57.750 --> 00:53:00.000
gravity of the parking situation was realized.

00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:01.000
Yeah.

00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:02.000
Yeah.

00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:05.940
And when they actually, you know, complied with the request

00:53:05.940 --> 00:53:08.610
to restripe the parking spaces, so they comply with our

00:53:08.610 --> 00:53:11.000
standards, they lost three spaces, too.

00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:16.170
So, but I think if they just, you know, come up with other

00:53:16.170 --> 00:53:21.480
means for handling the overflow parking, the offsite like

00:53:21.480 --> 00:53:25.889
one of them has, I think that would be an acceptable

00:53:25.889 --> 00:53:27.000
solution.

00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:31.150
However, one of our conditions is that there's no overnight

00:53:31.150 --> 00:53:35.159
parking outside parking vehicles, and that they can only

00:53:35.159 --> 00:53:39.110
use during the day two of their parking spaces for vehicles

00:53:39.110 --> 00:53:44.000
that are waiting to be repaired or waiting to be picked up.

00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:48.000
So we need we need a parking space for the employee.

00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:49.829
So I think we have an answer for Commissioner Sanchez, but

00:53:49.829 --> 00:53:52.000
real fast, I know Commissioner Pernetta has been waiting.

00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:54.000
So let's go Commissioner Pernetta, then we'll go legal.

00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:56.829
Yeah, you mentioned that the vacant lot where they're

00:53:56.829 --> 00:54:00.019
currently using their overflow parking had expressed that

00:54:00.019 --> 00:54:03.000
they would be planning on developing that property.

00:54:03.000 --> 00:54:07.000
Did they give any indication of what that use would be?

00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:09.000
They did, but I'm sorry, I don't recall.

00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:12.559
It's been a while since I've seen them, so my thinking is

00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:16.150
that whoever we met with, they decided it wasn't feasible

00:54:16.150 --> 00:54:17.000
for them.

00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:18.000
Okay.

00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:22.719
So we see if we have one of those pre-development meetings,

00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:27.000
then we see turnaround usually within six months.

00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:31.000
It's rare if we see it a year or two after.

00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:33.000
It happens, but it's rare.

00:54:33.000 --> 00:54:35.000
Thank you.

00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:38.000
Jerry, do you have an answer about revocation of SUP?

00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:40.000
I wasn't looking up revocation.

00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:44.000
I was looking up the conditions that were being put on it.

00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:49.000
The DDC does allow for conditions to be imposed.

00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:53.000
It's not an exclusive or exhaustive list.

00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:59.000
Adding parking spaces might be within bounds of this,

00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:01.000
although it's not explicitly mentioned.

00:55:01.000 --> 00:55:05.230
It talks about site development conditions that could be

00:55:05.230 --> 00:55:07.000
put in there as well.

00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:12.170
I guess my bigger concern on this, and maybe this is one

00:55:12.170 --> 00:55:17.000
for the commission to give some thought to, if you

00:55:17.000 --> 00:55:22.000
recommend approval of the SUP with conditions,

00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:27.159
but the council declines to impose one or more of your

00:55:27.159 --> 00:55:32.119
recommended conditions, it's still a recommendation to

00:55:32.119 --> 00:55:33.000
approve.

00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:40.369
And so I think the typical imposition of conditions would

00:55:40.369 --> 00:55:46.000
be done more or less at the council level.

00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:49.389
I don't know that it would be binding or trigger a super

00:55:49.389 --> 00:55:52.929
majority if council decided to go another way on the imp

00:55:52.929 --> 00:55:57.000
osition of those conditions, in other words.

00:55:57.000 --> 00:56:00.000
I think the conditions would be for the council to decide.

00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:02.000
Thank you for that clarification.

00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:05.679
Mr. Sanchez was asking, I think, if we put conditions on it

00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:08.539
and they're not met, the city does follow up with

00:56:08.539 --> 00:56:10.000
conditions being met.

00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:12.969
Is that for a period of time, or is that indefinite to the

00:56:12.969 --> 00:56:15.000
property, or how does that work?

00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:19.000
Well, to be honest with you, I'm not sure.

00:56:19.000 --> 00:56:23.000
I can check with and find out.

00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:26.789
The conditions would run with that as long as that use is

00:56:26.789 --> 00:56:28.000
in existence.

00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:32.550
Well, I thought you meant when we'd be checking up on if

00:56:32.550 --> 00:56:35.000
they're still complying.

00:56:35.000 --> 00:56:37.150
Partly that, and I don't want to speak for Mr. Sanchez, but

00:56:37.150 --> 00:56:39.329
it seemed like he was expressing a concern that if they

00:56:39.329 --> 00:56:43.210
were out of compliance, that we would have power to pull

00:56:43.210 --> 00:56:46.000
their ability to operate.

00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:49.190
Well, probably the first step in that would be to be given

00:56:49.190 --> 00:56:50.000
a warning.

00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:53.480
And they would be told that they have X number of days to

00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:57.000
come into compliance with the SUP requirements.

00:56:57.000 --> 00:57:02.420
And if they still don't within that time frame, then it's

00:57:02.420 --> 00:57:07.000
possible we'll start citing them every day.

00:57:07.000 --> 00:57:10.000
And it could eventually end up in court.

00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:14.090
And that's not really the revocation provisions of the SUP

00:57:14.090 --> 00:57:15.000
chapter.

00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:19.059
It's really the general provisions in SUP chapter one where

00:57:19.059 --> 00:57:23.030
there's a requirement to comply with the DDC generally and

00:57:23.030 --> 00:57:27.000
with the conditions of permits imposed under the DDC.

00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:32.000
So that would be the source of any revocation.

00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:34.940
You'd have to follow the strictures of that in order to

00:57:34.940 --> 00:57:36.000
make it happen.

00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:39.940
But yeah, there's a possibility of it, but the devil's in

00:57:39.940 --> 00:57:41.000
the details.

00:57:41.000 --> 00:57:42.000
Chris Rebeck.

00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:43.000
Thank you, Chair.

00:57:43.000 --> 00:57:46.019
Let me change direction a little bit here and maybe for my

00:57:46.019 --> 00:57:47.000
edification.

00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:50.000
I don't mean to put staff between the rock and hard spot.

00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:53.940
But obviously, when we issue a CEO, we don't go out and

00:57:53.940 --> 00:57:55.000
confirm it.

00:57:55.000 --> 00:57:56.000
Actually, we do.

00:57:56.000 --> 00:57:57.000
We do now.

00:57:57.000 --> 00:58:00.000
Yes, we did then.

00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:03.280
So code enforcement went out and inspected the site to make

00:58:03.280 --> 00:58:05.000
sure the parking was there.

00:58:05.000 --> 00:58:06.000
Everything was there.

00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:11.170
And if that it was an office and not a every everything was

00:58:11.170 --> 00:58:12.000
checked.

00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:13.000
The coat.

00:58:13.000 --> 00:58:15.000
So that's how we did it then.

00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:16.000
I don't know how they do it now.

00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:18.000
I'm pretty sure they checked.

00:58:18.000 --> 00:58:21.000
They went out and inspected it.

00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:24.090
They hadn't set up their car repair for the purpose of that

00:58:24.090 --> 00:58:25.000
inspection.

00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:27.750
Probably they knew they were you know, they have to have to

00:58:27.750 --> 00:58:29.000
schedule these inspections.

00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:30.000
So they knew when they were coming.

00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:31.000
Good.

00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:32.000
You guys are on.

00:58:32.000 --> 00:58:37.000
Thanks.

00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:38.000
I know you keep moving on.

00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:40.000
Thank you, Chair.

00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:41.940
It's a code enforcement night where that we're getting

00:58:41.940 --> 00:58:43.000
ready to set up with that.

00:58:43.000 --> 00:58:52.000
I mean, I guess I'll just say that.

00:58:52.000 --> 00:58:53.000
Okay.

00:58:53.000 --> 00:58:55.000
Analysis.

00:58:55.000 --> 00:58:58.679
The subject site is to office warehouse suites, suite 110

00:58:58.679 --> 00:59:01.000
and suite 111, which are utilized

00:59:01.000 --> 00:59:03.000
for quick vehicle service.

00:59:03.000 --> 00:59:06.190
The suites are part of a larger self-service storage

00:59:06.190 --> 00:59:09.000
facility, which includes one building

00:59:09.000 --> 00:59:12.000
comprised of 10 office warehouse suites.

00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:17.570
The site takes access from Virginia Circle, which is

00:59:17.570 --> 00:59:21.000
classified as a local street.

00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:24.559
Since the site was developed in 1985, it does not meet the

00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:27.000
standards for parking, land use,

00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:36.389
or lot coverage and is considered to be a special exception

00:59:36.389 --> 00:59:37.000
.

00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:40.739
With regards to the Denton Plan 2030, the site is

00:59:40.739 --> 00:59:43.000
designated as community mixed use.

00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:46.420
While the area in general is appropriate for the quick

00:59:46.420 --> 00:59:49.000
vehicle repair, the office warehouse

00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:52.940
building may not be optimal due to the limitations on

00:59:52.940 --> 00:59:56.000
parking that we were just discussing.

00:59:56.000 --> 00:59:58.760
The parking requirements for these two uses are based on

00:59:58.760 --> 01:00:01.000
the uses that were applied for

01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:03.000
and not the uses in place.

01:00:03.000 --> 01:00:07.050
Now, since we've changed how we are parking the automotive

01:00:07.050 --> 01:00:09.000
repair, they're actually,

01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:18.150
the parking is the same as what it was parked at in the

01:00:18.150 --> 01:00:22.000
office warehouse.

01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:26.050
The existing land uses surrounding the site include vacant

01:00:26.050 --> 01:00:28.000
or undeveloped land around

01:00:28.000 --> 01:00:29.000
here.

01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:34.000
To the south is a permanent open space area.

01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:38.000
It's open space for the Ashley Oaks.

01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:41.000
And then there's a vacant lot right here as well.

01:00:41.000 --> 01:00:49.000
To the north is University and it's all pretty much

01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:52.000
industrial and employment center type

01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:56.000
uses in here.

01:00:56.000 --> 01:01:01.039
The two automotive businesses have been in place for

01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:05.000
several years since 2010 and no

01:01:05.000 --> 01:01:08.079
new impacts to the infrastructure or the surrounding

01:01:08.079 --> 01:01:10.000
properties are anticipated.

01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:14.550
In fact, we anticipate a lesser impact to surrounding

01:01:14.550 --> 01:01:17.199
properties if this is approved

01:01:17.199 --> 01:01:19.960
because of the requirements, the conditions of approval

01:01:19.960 --> 01:01:21.400
that staff is placing on it with

01:01:21.400 --> 01:01:26.760
regards to parking.

01:01:26.760 --> 01:01:34.380
We sent out 12 notices within 200 feet of the site and 53

01:01:34.380 --> 01:01:37.460
notices via regular mail.

01:01:37.460 --> 01:01:43.389
We did not receive any responses back and one sign was

01:01:43.389 --> 01:01:45.920
posted on the site.

01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:48.000
Staff recommends denial of this request.

01:01:48.000 --> 01:01:50.760
However, should the Planning and Zoning Commission decide

01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:52.800
to approve this request, staff recommends

01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:54.420
the following conditions.

01:01:54.420 --> 01:01:57.500
A new certificate of occupancy for the correct use must be

01:01:57.500 --> 01:01:59.119
applied for and approved.

01:01:59.119 --> 01:02:01.869
This specific use permit shall be limited to these two

01:02:01.869 --> 01:02:02.960
particular business owners and

01:02:02.960 --> 01:02:05.159
these two particular suites.

01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:10.480
So for example, if the owners sell the business to somebody

01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:13.119
else, they'll have to get a new

01:02:13.119 --> 01:02:16.840
specific use permit for it or if the owners want to move

01:02:16.840 --> 01:02:19.079
the business to another suite,

01:02:19.079 --> 01:02:25.239
they would also have to get another specific use permit.

01:02:25.239 --> 01:02:28.000
The specific use permit will be limited to the use

01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:29.880
description and the floor plan that

01:02:29.880 --> 01:02:34.280
are in Exhibit 8 and Exhibit 9 in your backup.

01:02:34.280 --> 01:02:39.130
No overnight outdoor storage of automobiles is prohibited

01:02:39.130 --> 01:02:41.519
and no more than two customer

01:02:41.519 --> 01:02:44.739
vehicles per each business can be parked in the parking

01:02:44.739 --> 01:02:46.599
spaces in front of the building

01:02:46.599 --> 01:02:48.199
during business hours.

01:02:48.199 --> 01:02:53.679
And that concludes my presentation.

01:02:53.679 --> 01:02:54.679
Thank you, Cindy.

01:02:54.679 --> 01:02:56.880
I don't see any questions this time.

01:02:56.880 --> 01:02:59.659
Considering the time it is, what we'll do is we'll take a

01:02:59.659 --> 01:03:01.239
quick break for food, put

01:03:01.239 --> 01:03:04.840
Julie on pause for a couple minutes and then we'll come

01:03:04.840 --> 01:03:06.980
back for Julie's presentation

01:03:06.980 --> 01:03:08.119
and wrap up the work session.

01:03:08.119 --> 01:03:16.679
It is 6.16, we'll pause for dinner.

01:03:16.679 --> 01:03:21.679
It is 6.25, we'll continue the meeting with Julie

01:03:21.679 --> 01:03:23.760
presenting her item.

01:03:23.760 --> 01:03:29.119
Hi, I'm Julie Wyatt, Senior Planner and I am presenting DCA

01:03:29.119 --> 01:03:32.159
18.5 and this is for a tie

01:03:32.159 --> 01:03:34.159
vote procedure.

01:03:34.159 --> 01:03:36.739
The request is to hold a public hearing and consider making

01:03:36.739 --> 01:03:38.079
a recommendation to City Council

01:03:38.079 --> 01:03:41.309
regarding a proposed revision to the Denton Development

01:03:41.309 --> 01:03:44.599
Code specifically to address motions

01:03:44.599 --> 01:03:46.719
that result in a tie vote.

01:03:46.719 --> 01:03:50.539
So as some of you may remember, we had a case earlier this

01:03:50.539 --> 01:03:52.519
year that did result in a tie

01:03:52.519 --> 01:03:55.199
vote of 3 to 3.

01:03:55.199 --> 01:03:59.150
In those instances, the City Council rules of procedure are

01:03:59.150 --> 01:04:00.880
applied and it applies to

01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:03.780
the Planning and Zoning Commission for tie votes and that

01:04:03.780 --> 01:04:05.280
matters voted on by the City

01:04:05.280 --> 01:04:08.309
Council which ended a tie vote shall automatically be

01:04:08.309 --> 01:04:10.800
placed on each subsequent council meeting

01:04:10.800 --> 01:04:13.519
agenda until a full council is present.

01:04:13.519 --> 01:04:17.079
So this rule applies to the Planning and Zoning Commission

01:04:17.079 --> 01:04:18.920
when it comes to tie votes.

01:04:18.920 --> 01:04:23.630
In relationship to this case, however, there was a recusal

01:04:23.630 --> 01:04:26.519
and so the total number of permanent

01:04:26.519 --> 01:04:28.920
voting members of the Planning and Zoning Commission for

01:04:28.920 --> 01:04:30.039
this case was always going

01:04:30.039 --> 01:04:32.039
to be 6.

01:04:32.039 --> 01:04:35.780
And so the Planning and Zoning Commission after a couple of

01:04:35.780 --> 01:04:37.880
tries could not get to 4

01:04:37.880 --> 01:04:41.119
votes in the affirmative or the negative for this case.

01:04:41.119 --> 01:04:44.519
So it was essentially immobilized.

01:04:44.519 --> 01:04:48.630
So based upon that, City Council tasked staff to look at

01:04:48.630 --> 01:04:51.199
what we would do in these cases.

01:04:51.199 --> 01:04:54.630
And so City Council looked at this at a September 11th work

01:04:54.630 --> 01:04:56.519
session and they were presented

01:04:56.519 --> 01:04:58.800
with four options of how to address this.

01:04:58.800 --> 01:05:00.320
First, they could do no action.

01:05:00.320 --> 01:05:03.139
Second, they could remove that tie vote provision for all

01:05:03.139 --> 01:05:05.079
the boards and commissions including

01:05:05.079 --> 01:05:06.079
City Council.

01:05:06.079 --> 01:05:09.309
Third, they could remove the tie vote provision for boards

01:05:09.309 --> 01:05:11.159
and commissions excluding City

01:05:11.159 --> 01:05:12.400
Council.

01:05:12.400 --> 01:05:16.000
And the fourth option which is the one they ultimately

01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:18.119
directed staff to pursue was to

01:05:18.119 --> 01:05:21.269
do a targeted amendment to the DDC to address only the

01:05:21.269 --> 01:05:23.519
Planning and Zoning Commission and

01:05:23.519 --> 01:05:26.530
to allow those cases that result in a tie vote to move

01:05:26.530 --> 01:05:28.039
forward with a denial.

01:05:28.039 --> 01:05:31.980
However, as you know that if this--if Plan Zoning

01:05:31.980 --> 01:05:35.320
recommends denial, then a super majority

01:05:35.320 --> 01:05:40.320
is required for City Council to approve that request.

01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:43.070
And Council discussed pretty--had a pretty lengthy

01:05:43.070 --> 01:05:44.480
discussion regarding that and felt

01:05:44.480 --> 01:05:48.519
like that super majority provision was too punitive in this

01:05:48.519 --> 01:05:50.480
--in this instance because

01:05:50.480 --> 01:05:55.519
PNZ didn't have a majority voting in denial of the case.

01:05:55.519 --> 01:06:00.559
So they directed staff to move forward with a DDC amendment

01:06:00.559 --> 01:06:03.039
to provide for the tie votes

01:06:03.039 --> 01:06:05.920
that it would go forward as a recommendation of denial but

01:06:05.920 --> 01:06:07.599
not require that super majority

01:06:07.599 --> 01:06:09.639
requirement.

01:06:09.639 --> 01:06:12.440
Just a simple majority, yes, sir.

01:06:12.440 --> 01:06:15.719
So the proposed language is any motion resulting in a tie

01:06:15.719 --> 01:06:18.360
vote of the commission would automatically

01:06:18.360 --> 01:06:21.989
be deemed as a denial recommendation to be forwarded to

01:06:21.989 --> 01:06:24.519
City Council for a final decision.

01:06:24.519 --> 01:06:28.510
Such tie vote is not subject to City Code Section 2-29,

01:06:28.510 --> 01:06:30.599
that's that--that part we looked

01:06:30.599 --> 01:06:33.119
at at the beginning of the presentation.

01:06:33.119 --> 01:06:36.349
The denial shall not require three-fourths vote of all

01:06:36.349 --> 01:06:38.699
members of the City Council qualified

01:06:38.699 --> 01:06:49.679
to vote as stated in Section 35.3.4.c.4.b of the Denton

01:06:49.679 --> 01:06:52.800
Development Code.

01:06:52.800 --> 01:06:54.550
The language in that you said--I didn't see that earlier

01:06:54.550 --> 01:06:55.679
but the language you had in there

01:06:55.679 --> 01:06:59.400
earlier was that this would apply to only PNZ.

01:06:59.400 --> 01:07:01.679
Other recommending councils and boards and commissions--

01:07:01.679 --> 01:07:04.239
Would not--would not apply to them.

01:07:04.239 --> 01:07:07.190
Do we not see that that might be important to have that

01:07:07.190 --> 01:07:08.800
also spanned to them as well

01:07:08.800 --> 01:07:11.769
as--as recommend--not--not all but the ones that are--that

01:07:11.769 --> 01:07:13.360
are recommending bodies that

01:07:13.360 --> 01:07:16.110
have that also available in case they have the exact same

01:07:16.110 --> 01:07:17.400
situation that happens there?

01:07:17.400 --> 01:07:19.559
And that may be something that City Council wants to

01:07:19.559 --> 01:07:20.679
address in the future.

01:07:20.679 --> 01:07:23.429
However, the Denton Development Code just addresses the

01:07:23.429 --> 01:07:24.719
Planning and Zoning Commission.

01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:27.179
So if that is something that Council wanted to move forward

01:07:27.179 --> 01:07:28.400
with, they would--it would

01:07:28.400 --> 01:07:31.440
be a different procedure for that.

01:07:31.440 --> 01:07:32.840
Commissioner Perdena.

01:07:32.840 --> 01:07:36.130
So based on what you just described, my simplification

01:07:36.130 --> 01:07:38.800
would be that--and if I'm misunderstanding

01:07:38.800 --> 01:07:42.059
it, let me know--that it's high rather than moving forward

01:07:42.059 --> 01:07:43.599
as a denial would in effect

01:07:43.599 --> 01:07:44.960
move forward as an approval?

01:07:44.960 --> 01:07:48.090
No, it would move forward as a denial but it wouldn't

01:07:48.090 --> 01:07:50.039
require the supermajority.

01:07:50.039 --> 01:07:53.250
So--so hold that thought and we may--maybe I'll answer it

01:07:53.250 --> 01:07:54.880
and if I don't, we'll keep

01:07:54.880 --> 01:07:57.900
talking about it till I--till we can get it--get it

01:07:57.900 --> 01:07:58.800
straight.

01:07:58.800 --> 01:08:03.500
So--so when staff just looked at this and--and did their

01:08:03.500 --> 01:08:07.280
analysis of this direction, we determined

01:08:07.280 --> 01:08:10.360
that--that this amendment would prevent leaving those

01:08:10.360 --> 01:08:12.639
projects in that indeterminate state,

01:08:12.639 --> 01:08:15.400
that it would actually allow those projects to move forward

01:08:15.400 --> 01:08:16.680
and that City Council would

01:08:16.680 --> 01:08:17.760
either approve or deny.

01:08:17.760 --> 01:08:20.810
So they would have their--be able to be heard by City

01:08:20.810 --> 01:08:21.600
Council.

01:08:21.600 --> 01:08:25.020
Although the recommendation would be a denial, it would not

01:08:25.020 --> 01:08:27.039
be a recommendation of approval,

01:08:27.039 --> 01:08:29.520
it does remove that supermajority requirement.

01:08:29.520 --> 01:08:33.579
So it's not overly punitive that it wasn't a full denial by

01:08:33.579 --> 01:08:36.560
the Planning and Zoning Commission.

01:08:36.560 --> 01:08:40.720
But as with all cases, the City Council is apprised of the

01:08:40.720 --> 01:08:42.920
--of the PNZ meeting minutes

01:08:42.920 --> 01:08:46.199
as well as a summary of the points of discussion and the

01:08:46.199 --> 01:08:48.800
full vote so that they are fully informed

01:08:48.800 --> 01:08:50.319
when they make their decision.

01:08:50.319 --> 01:08:53.470
So although it would move forward as a tie vote

01:08:53.470 --> 01:08:56.319
recommendation of denial, they would

01:08:56.319 --> 01:08:59.880
be aware of some of those issues that would have been

01:08:59.880 --> 01:09:02.319
brought up at the--at this meeting

01:09:02.319 --> 01:09:05.520
in order so they can make a fully informed decision.

01:09:05.520 --> 01:09:06.760
Commissioner Burnetta.

01:09:06.760 --> 01:09:09.760
And I guess my clarification.

01:09:09.760 --> 01:09:12.489
So currently we would--if we made a recommendation, it

01:09:12.489 --> 01:09:14.039
would move forward to City Council and

01:09:14.039 --> 01:09:16.199
then they would vote on it and they would require a

01:09:16.199 --> 01:09:17.239
majority, right?

01:09:17.239 --> 01:09:18.239
To approve.

01:09:18.239 --> 01:09:19.399
To approve, right.

01:09:19.399 --> 01:09:22.449
So--and I guess I just want to make sure I'm not

01:09:22.449 --> 01:09:25.439
misunderstanding, you know, mistaking

01:09:25.439 --> 01:09:27.619
nomenclature versus procedure.

01:09:27.619 --> 01:09:31.380
So this one--in this case, it would move forward as a tie,

01:09:31.380 --> 01:09:34.239
which is technically not a--technically

01:09:34.239 --> 01:09:38.909
a denial, not an approval, but the vote process would still

01:09:38.909 --> 01:09:41.039
be the same as if it had been

01:09:41.039 --> 01:09:42.039
approved.

01:09:42.039 --> 01:09:43.039
I think you said it very well.

01:09:43.039 --> 01:09:44.039
Okay.

01:09:44.039 --> 01:09:45.039
Yes.

01:09:45.039 --> 01:09:46.039
All right.

01:09:46.039 --> 01:09:47.039
Thank you.

01:09:47.039 --> 01:09:48.039
Yes.

01:09:48.039 --> 01:09:49.039
Commissioner Ellis.

01:09:49.039 --> 01:09:50.039
Thank you, Chair.

01:09:50.039 --> 01:09:52.449
So what I'm hearing you saying is this would be any tie

01:09:52.449 --> 01:09:52.920
vote.

01:09:52.920 --> 01:09:54.560
It's not correct.

01:09:54.560 --> 01:09:58.329
It's changing a tie vote, not a perpetual tie vote, which

01:09:58.329 --> 01:10:00.239
was really what the problem

01:10:00.239 --> 01:10:01.239
was.

01:10:01.239 --> 01:10:02.239
Yes.

01:10:02.239 --> 01:10:04.680
It's not a tie vote that PNZ has.

01:10:04.680 --> 01:10:07.760
Like someone's on vacation, let's say, someone's child's

01:10:07.760 --> 01:10:09.159
sick, someone's sick.

01:10:09.159 --> 01:10:11.359
I think this is a really bad idea.

01:10:11.359 --> 01:10:15.500
We have policy in place right now, good policy in place

01:10:15.500 --> 01:10:17.960
that says if we have a tie vote,

01:10:17.960 --> 01:10:22.960
it goes to the next meeting to get that full commission.

01:10:22.960 --> 01:10:27.399
What our problem was, our problem was we had a recusal.

01:10:27.399 --> 01:10:30.960
So we were always going to have a six-member commission and

01:10:30.960 --> 01:10:32.760
probably a perpetual tie.

01:10:32.760 --> 01:10:38.109
We are rewriting good policy to address that one rare issue

01:10:38.109 --> 01:10:38.479
.

01:10:38.479 --> 01:10:42.649
And I have a real problem with that because something could

01:10:42.649 --> 01:10:44.159
get underhanded.

01:10:44.159 --> 01:10:46.920
I mean, I don't, there's bad people out there.

01:10:46.920 --> 01:10:47.920
Okay.

01:10:47.920 --> 01:10:50.640
Hey, why don't you be sick today at PNZ?

01:10:50.640 --> 01:10:54.210
Oh, automatic tie perhaps and goes on to city council, does

01:10:54.210 --> 01:10:56.119
not require a super majority.

01:10:56.119 --> 01:10:58.279
I've just got issues with this.

01:10:58.279 --> 01:11:01.020
We've got a policy in place that fixes a tie vote because

01:11:01.020 --> 01:11:02.880
it goes to the next meeting automatically

01:11:02.880 --> 01:11:03.880
and we vote again.

01:11:03.880 --> 01:11:04.880
So I don't know.

01:11:04.880 --> 01:11:05.880
Is anybody else understand?

01:11:05.880 --> 01:11:08.270
I think I'm going to let city jump in real fast because we

01:11:08.270 --> 01:11:09.399
saw a lot of hands pop up

01:11:09.399 --> 01:11:10.399
at your point.

01:11:10.399 --> 01:11:14.020
One option that could happen is if that is the case, it can

01:11:14.020 --> 01:11:15.920
always be requested to table

01:11:15.920 --> 01:11:18.279
the item to the following meeting.

01:11:18.279 --> 01:11:24.880
Can you say that again?

01:11:24.880 --> 01:11:27.369
An option could be that you could always table the item to

01:11:27.369 --> 01:11:29.039
the next meeting rather than taking

01:11:29.039 --> 01:11:30.039
a vote.

01:11:30.039 --> 01:11:33.640
And we'll go with Commissioner Smith.

01:11:33.640 --> 01:11:36.109
Just per Robert's rules of order, and you can correct me,

01:11:36.109 --> 01:11:37.279
that there's a request to

01:11:37.279 --> 01:11:40.239
table an item that supersedes any motion that's on the

01:11:40.239 --> 01:11:40.840
floor.

01:11:40.840 --> 01:11:43.489
So if there's a motion for an approval and it's going to

01:11:43.489 --> 01:11:44.319
obviously go to a tie, there

01:11:44.319 --> 01:11:47.520
can be some of us have said I motion to table the item.

01:11:47.520 --> 01:11:49.609
Robert's rules of order allows for that to supersede any

01:11:49.609 --> 01:11:50.800
motion that's on the floor.

01:11:50.800 --> 01:11:51.800
Just my understanding.

01:11:51.800 --> 01:11:52.800
Commissioner Burnetta.

01:11:52.800 --> 01:11:57.699
I think he kind of covered that, but is it possible to -- I

01:11:57.699 --> 01:12:01.560
mean, per Commissioner Ellis's

01:12:01.560 --> 01:12:05.180
concern to make an amendment where this would only happen

01:12:05.180 --> 01:12:07.079
in the event that there would

01:12:07.079 --> 01:12:12.840
be a permanent tie, you know, it would be a recusal.

01:12:12.840 --> 01:12:15.560
Or a secondary tie, like this is the second time it's been

01:12:15.560 --> 01:12:16.960
tied, or back-to-back sessions

01:12:16.960 --> 01:12:20.159
to both your point.

01:12:20.159 --> 01:12:23.289
Because I -- real fast, I'd like to add, because

01:12:23.289 --> 01:12:26.199
Commissioner Smith, if that was to happen,

01:12:26.199 --> 01:12:28.310
there's six people on the board and someone tables it, it's

01:12:28.310 --> 01:12:29.359
going to be hard to get that

01:12:29.359 --> 01:12:33.239
vote if someone knows that a tie vote would get it through.

01:12:33.239 --> 01:12:36.520
So I'm not sure if that table would -- that motion to table

01:12:36.520 --> 01:12:38.520
would pass and not hypothetical.

01:12:38.520 --> 01:12:40.579
I think it would be a stalemate going back to a tie to pass

01:12:40.579 --> 01:12:41.199
it forward.

01:12:41.199 --> 01:12:42.199
Commissioner Beck.

01:12:42.199 --> 01:12:43.199
That's a good point.

01:12:43.199 --> 01:12:44.199
Thank you, Chair.

01:12:44.199 --> 01:12:48.279
And I understand -- I'm glad she brought that point up.

01:12:48.279 --> 01:12:51.039
We never thought about the devious people actually

01:12:51.039 --> 01:12:52.239
deliberately missing.

01:12:52.239 --> 01:12:55.050
But my concern was what if we did have a tie vote and just

01:12:55.050 --> 01:12:57.800
result somebody wasn't here?

01:12:57.800 --> 01:13:01.739
And then I think somebody made the suggestion that if that

01:13:01.739 --> 01:13:03.680
happened a second time, that

01:13:03.680 --> 01:13:05.880
could be the way we could get around this.

01:13:05.880 --> 01:13:08.720
If it happened a second time and the same person was gone,

01:13:08.720 --> 01:13:10.199
then it would automatically

01:13:10.199 --> 01:13:11.199
go forward.

01:13:11.199 --> 01:13:14.130
But then I'm not opposed to just limiting it to the

01:13:14.130 --> 01:13:16.239
situation that we had to deal with

01:13:16.239 --> 01:13:17.239
that one time.

01:13:17.239 --> 01:13:18.239
Commissioner Ellis.

01:13:18.239 --> 01:13:19.760
Thank you, Chair.

01:13:19.760 --> 01:13:23.560
Can I ask why it wasn't written that way?

01:13:23.560 --> 01:13:26.800
Why it's not being proposed that way?

01:13:26.800 --> 01:13:30.800
So I believe that actually was discussed at City Council.

01:13:30.800 --> 01:13:34.939
I think there was ultimately concern that that would be

01:13:34.939 --> 01:13:37.119
hard to manage that, is what

01:13:37.119 --> 01:13:40.359
if somebody was on a long-term illness and they would be

01:13:40.359 --> 01:13:42.079
gone for months at a time.

01:13:42.079 --> 01:13:46.380
So I think a very similar comment came up at the City

01:13:46.380 --> 01:13:49.159
Council meeting as well, that

01:13:49.159 --> 01:13:51.680
work session as part of the discussion.

01:13:51.680 --> 01:13:55.079
Jerry, you want to hop in?

01:13:55.079 --> 01:13:58.640
I think part of it is also if the purpose of the law is to

01:13:58.640 --> 01:14:00.479
have the council consider

01:14:00.479 --> 01:14:05.050
the P&Z's recommendation and the P&Z comes forward with a

01:14:05.050 --> 01:14:07.920
tie vote, it's not a particularly

01:14:07.920 --> 01:14:12.720
strong recommendation, so as to be compelling.

01:14:12.720 --> 01:14:19.850
And I think that it's been published in the Texas Municipal

01:14:19.850 --> 01:14:23.439
Zoning Guidebook that we regard

01:14:23.439 --> 01:14:29.020
more or less as the Bible, that this may be a way to get

01:14:29.020 --> 01:14:32.640
around that perpetual no-man's

01:14:32.640 --> 01:14:37.909
land is to treat a tie vote as essentially a known

01:14:37.909 --> 01:14:42.359
recommendation and let it go on further

01:14:42.359 --> 01:14:44.359
to council.

01:14:44.359 --> 01:14:49.520
So the purpose has been solved by this rule in allowing the

01:14:49.520 --> 01:14:52.560
P&Z to make a recommendation.

01:14:52.560 --> 01:14:55.760
It's just that strange case in which P&Z can't make a

01:14:55.760 --> 01:14:57.560
strong recommendation.

01:14:57.560 --> 01:14:58.560
Koshelos.

01:14:58.560 --> 01:14:59.560
Thank you, Chair.

01:14:59.560 --> 01:15:01.840
I'll just say one more point on it.

01:15:01.840 --> 01:15:04.890
When we have policy written in place right now that handles

01:15:04.890 --> 01:15:06.560
a tie vote, this is addressing

01:15:06.560 --> 01:15:09.899
a very specific problem which has never occurred before in

01:15:09.899 --> 01:15:11.859
the time that I have been here.

01:15:11.859 --> 01:15:16.319
So it's a rare occurrence anyway, and we're rewriting this,

01:15:16.319 --> 01:15:18.119
and I will be voting no on

01:15:18.119 --> 01:15:20.119
this as it's written.

01:15:20.119 --> 01:15:21.119
Great.

01:15:21.119 --> 01:15:22.119
Commissioner Pernitta.

01:15:22.119 --> 01:15:26.050
And to kind of second Commissioner Ellis's point, I do have

01:15:26.050 --> 01:15:27.720
a concern that this would

01:15:27.720 --> 01:15:31.659
specifically target cases where there is a recusal, so

01:15:31.659 --> 01:15:34.159
there would be normally a conflict

01:15:34.159 --> 01:15:35.960
of interest in these cases.

01:15:35.960 --> 01:15:40.149
So to kind of draw back on those procedures in those cases,

01:15:40.149 --> 01:15:42.199
it seems like it's inviting

01:15:42.199 --> 01:15:43.680
issues.

01:15:43.680 --> 01:15:45.680
Commissioner Sanchez.

01:15:45.680 --> 01:15:51.600
Yes, I also wanted to state I agree with you.

01:15:51.600 --> 01:15:53.239
It was a very unique situation.

01:15:53.239 --> 01:15:55.960
I don't think we just run into that, you know, once every

01:15:55.960 --> 01:15:57.640
-- I mean, how often --

01:15:57.640 --> 01:16:00.960
Has that happened since they've been having meetings?

01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:03.710
I think it's very unique because nobody even had ever seen

01:16:03.710 --> 01:16:03.960
it.

01:16:03.960 --> 01:16:04.960
So I agree.

01:16:04.960 --> 01:16:07.930
I think we should look at it as a unique situation and not

01:16:07.930 --> 01:16:09.960
make these general rules that apply

01:16:09.960 --> 01:16:13.520
all of a sudden for everything as -- instead of looking at

01:16:13.520 --> 01:16:15.159
specific what happened, how

01:16:15.159 --> 01:16:16.159
can we improve it?

01:16:16.159 --> 01:16:24.880
And I don't think -- So I think we made valid points.

01:16:24.880 --> 01:16:27.680
I don't know who's all in council chambers waiting, but if

01:16:27.680 --> 01:16:29.119
Julie wanted to continue,

01:16:29.119 --> 01:16:32.079
we can certainly continue the dialogue as appropriate.

01:16:32.079 --> 01:16:33.079
There is?

01:16:33.079 --> 01:16:34.079
Great.

01:16:34.079 --> 01:16:35.079
Let's not keep them waiting.

01:16:35.079 --> 01:16:38.800
So notification was published regarding this.

01:16:38.800 --> 01:16:40.880
Staff recommends approval of the language.

01:16:40.880 --> 01:16:43.970
We want to make sure we get the language in the right spot

01:16:43.970 --> 01:16:45.640
in the development code.

01:16:45.640 --> 01:16:50.220
This was something that was requested of staff by city

01:16:50.220 --> 01:16:51.279
council.

01:16:51.279 --> 01:16:55.430
So this was a directive by city council, and so that is

01:16:55.430 --> 01:16:58.039
also part of our recommendation

01:16:58.039 --> 01:16:59.520
for approval.

01:16:59.520 --> 01:17:03.130
And that -- our original assessment was to put it in subch

01:17:03.130 --> 01:17:05.399
apter 4 of the DENT development

01:17:05.399 --> 01:17:08.550
code, but we want to make sure that we have it in all the

01:17:08.550 --> 01:17:10.279
right spots to make sure that

01:17:10.279 --> 01:17:13.329
as applicants are trying to move forward with their cases

01:17:13.329 --> 01:17:15.119
and the public to understand the

01:17:15.119 --> 01:17:19.149
rules that will make -- if recommended and if approved by

01:17:19.149 --> 01:17:21.279
city council, that we would

01:17:21.279 --> 01:17:23.430
make sure it's in the DENT development code in the right

01:17:23.430 --> 01:17:24.800
spots to make sure that everyone

01:17:24.800 --> 01:17:28.000
knows all of the correct regulations.

01:17:28.000 --> 01:17:29.960
Thanks, Julie.

01:17:29.960 --> 01:17:34.000
Can I just ask for a point of clarification?

01:17:34.000 --> 01:17:38.850
So the concern would be if this was narrowly pointed to --

01:17:38.850 --> 01:17:41.319
if a P&Z member had to recuse

01:17:41.319 --> 01:17:48.319
himself for a conflict, then this would be --

01:17:48.319 --> 01:17:49.800
Thank you, Chair.

01:17:49.800 --> 01:17:54.300
Yes, the part that's broken is if you have an even number

01:17:54.300 --> 01:17:56.600
because of a recusal and you

01:17:56.600 --> 01:18:03.199
always have the possibility of a tie, that's what's broken.

01:18:03.199 --> 01:18:08.069
This completely changes how policy is written now, and I'm

01:18:08.069 --> 01:18:10.520
absolutely not on board with

01:18:10.520 --> 01:18:11.520
that.

01:18:11.520 --> 01:18:14.760
Julie, did you cover that?

01:18:14.760 --> 01:18:17.039
We may be putting it somewhere else in the code.

01:18:17.039 --> 01:18:18.039
Yes, sir.

01:18:18.039 --> 01:18:19.039
Okay.

01:18:19.039 --> 01:18:20.039
Okay.

01:18:20.039 --> 01:18:21.039
Julie, thank you so much.

01:18:21.039 --> 01:18:22.560
We can continue the conversation in there.

01:18:22.560 --> 01:18:25.560
We'll fast forward, dismiss.

01:18:25.560 --> 01:18:29.960
Is everyone okay for an early attendance on November 28th?

01:18:29.960 --> 01:18:31.640
We might have to call a meeting a little bit early.

01:18:31.640 --> 01:18:33.359
It's the week after Thanksgiving.

01:18:33.359 --> 01:18:36.359
Just want to make sure sometimes around holidays, travel.

01:18:36.359 --> 01:18:39.439
Is everyone planning on being here on the 28th?

01:18:39.439 --> 01:18:42.880
Well, I think normal time, but we just want to make sure we

01:18:42.880 --> 01:18:44.119
're attendance.

01:18:44.119 --> 01:18:45.119
Okay.

01:18:45.119 --> 01:18:47.800
So with that, I will close the work session at 639.

01:18:47.800 --> 01:19:01.560
We'll meet in Councilor's chambers at 645.

01:19:01.560 --> 01:19:03.569
Good evening and welcome to the Planning and Zoning

01:19:03.569 --> 01:19:05.760
Commission for October 24th, 2018.

01:19:05.760 --> 01:19:09.159
The meeting will be started at 645.

01:19:09.159 --> 01:19:10.159
Thank you all for being patient.

01:19:10.159 --> 01:19:13.000
We had a longer work session than we were anticipating.

01:19:13.000 --> 01:19:16.199
So appreciate you all being patient and hanging around.

01:19:16.199 --> 01:19:18.850
The first item on the agenda is to stand and give a Pledge

01:19:18.850 --> 01:19:20.399
of Allegiance to the U.S. and

01:19:20.399 --> 01:19:21.399
Texas flag.

01:19:21.399 --> 01:19:28.329
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of

01:19:28.329 --> 01:19:32.399
America and to the republic for

01:19:32.399 --> 01:19:37.250
which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with

01:19:37.250 --> 01:19:38.399
liberty and justice for all.

01:19:38.399 --> 01:19:43.399
I pledge allegiance to the U.S. and Texas flag.

01:19:43.399 --> 01:19:46.539
I pledge allegiance to the United States of America and to

01:19:46.539 --> 01:19:48.399
the republic for which it stands,

01:19:48.399 --> 01:19:52.079
one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and

01:19:52.079 --> 01:19:53.399
justice for all.

01:19:53.399 --> 01:19:58.399
I pledge allegiance to the U.S. and Texas flag.

01:19:58.399 --> 01:19:59.399
I pledge allegiance to the U.S. and Texas flag.

01:19:59.399 --> 01:20:00.399
I pledge allegiance to the U.S. and Texas flag.

01:20:00.399 --> 01:20:01.399
I pledge allegiance to the U.S. and Texas flag.

01:20:01.399 --> 01:20:02.399
I pledge allegiance to the U.S. and Texas flag.

01:20:02.399 --> 01:20:03.399
I pledge allegiance to the U.S. and Texas flag.

01:20:03.399 --> 01:20:04.399
I pledge allegiance to the U.S. and Texas flag.

01:20:04.399 --> 01:20:05.399
I pledge allegiance to the U.S. and Texas flag.

01:20:05.399 --> 01:20:06.399
I pledge allegiance to the U.S. and Texas flag.

01:20:06.399 --> 01:20:07.399
I pledge allegiance to the U.S. and Texas flag.

01:20:07.399 --> 01:20:12.569
Commissioner Smith? Motion for approval. Commissioner Pern

01:20:12.569 --> 01:20:16.130
etta? We have a first and a second. Any discussion? Seeing

01:20:16.130 --> 01:20:26.470
none, I'll call for a vote on the board. Motion carries 7-0

01:20:26.470 --> 01:20:34.220
. Next item is our consent agenda. Commissioner Ellis?

01:20:34.220 --> 01:20:37.460
Thank you. Try and move approval of the consent agenda.

01:20:37.460 --> 01:20:41.220
Commissioner Beck? Second. We have a first and a second.

01:20:41.220 --> 01:20:46.529
Any discussion on the item? Seeing none, I'll call for a

01:20:46.529 --> 01:20:54.539
vote on the board.

01:20:54.539 --> 01:20:59.109
Motion carries 7-0. That moves us to our public hearing

01:20:59.109 --> 01:21:04.350
items for this evening. Item 4A, Z18-0021C has been

01:21:04.350 --> 01:21:07.630
postponed. It will be brought back before the Commission on

01:21:07.630 --> 01:21:11.039
November 14th and will be reposted and re-noticed at that

01:21:11.039 --> 01:21:12.960
time.

01:21:12.960 --> 01:21:22.350
Next item is item 4B, FR18-0010. I will call Cindy Jackson

01:21:22.350 --> 01:21:28.520
for presentation and open this public hearing.

01:21:28.520 --> 01:21:34.449
Thank you, Chairman, Commissioners. FR18-0010 is a request

01:21:34.449 --> 01:21:39.800
for approval of a final replat of lots 15A, R1 and 15A, R2,

01:21:39.800 --> 01:21:45.960
block 17, being a residential replat of lot 15A, block 17

01:21:45.960 --> 01:21:48.859
of Royal Acres section 5.

01:21:48.859 --> 01:21:53.560
You can see the property right here. It's generally located

01:21:53.560 --> 01:21:57.810
at the southeast corner of the intersection of Hercules

01:21:57.810 --> 01:22:00.199
Lane and Wellington Drive.

01:22:00.199 --> 01:22:06.050
The site was originally platted in 1972. Here you can see

01:22:06.050 --> 01:22:09.659
it was actually two lots, a little difficult, but it's

01:22:09.659 --> 01:22:15.680
there. In 1976, the then property owner replatted the two

01:22:15.680 --> 01:22:17.520
lots into one lot.

01:22:17.520 --> 01:22:25.140
Now today, we are here to replat the site back into two

01:22:25.140 --> 01:22:28.819
lots. Since this is a residential replat, we had

01:22:28.819 --> 01:22:30.960
notification requirements.

01:22:30.960 --> 01:22:36.439
We sent out 21 notices via certified mail within 200 feet

01:22:36.439 --> 01:22:42.390
of the property. We sent certified notices to the entire

01:22:42.390 --> 01:22:47.359
subdivision, 275 via certified mail.

01:22:47.359 --> 01:22:54.289
We sent 49 courtesy notices within 500 feet of the site. We

01:22:54.289 --> 01:23:00.989
received no responses in opposition within 200 feet of the

01:23:00.989 --> 01:23:03.260
site and one neutral.

01:23:03.260 --> 01:23:09.560
We received nothing in favor of the request within 200 feet

01:23:09.560 --> 01:23:15.279
of the site. Within the subdivision, we received four in

01:23:15.279 --> 01:23:19.159
opposition, which you can see here.

01:23:19.159 --> 01:23:25.710
We received two in favor, you can see outlined in green,

01:23:25.710 --> 01:23:29.359
and we received one neutral.

01:23:29.359 --> 01:23:32.779
This plat meets the requirements of the subdivision

01:23:32.779 --> 01:23:36.050
ordinance and the zoning code, and staff recommends

01:23:36.050 --> 01:23:39.260
approval of this request. That concludes my presentation.

01:23:39.260 --> 01:23:40.760
Thank you, Cindy.

01:23:40.760 --> 01:23:44.760
The applicant is present if you have any questions.

01:23:44.760 --> 01:23:50.029
I do not see any questions at this time. This is a public

01:23:50.029 --> 01:23:53.060
hearing. If anyone wishes to speak, they may do so.

01:23:53.060 --> 01:24:04.409
Anyone wishing to speak? Do we have any questions of the

01:24:04.409 --> 01:24:07.529
applicant from the commission before I close the public

01:24:07.529 --> 01:24:08.260
hearing?

01:24:08.260 --> 01:24:10.260
Okay. Oh, Commissioner Beck.

01:24:10.260 --> 01:24:13.680
Thank you, Chair. I do have one question for the applicant,

01:24:13.680 --> 01:24:17.659
if I may. Is the applicant here?

01:24:17.659 --> 01:24:20.060
The applicant, yes.

01:24:20.060 --> 01:24:22.819
If you could just state your name and address for the

01:24:22.819 --> 01:24:23.460
record.

01:24:23.460 --> 01:24:28.460
Gerald Jensen, Landmark Surveyors, 4238 I-35 North.

01:24:28.460 --> 01:24:31.239
Okay. Thank you, Mr. Jensen, for coming out. Just real

01:24:31.239 --> 01:24:34.220
quickly, I think some concern that was expressed, and I

01:24:34.220 --> 01:24:36.460
just wanted to allay that if we could.

01:24:36.460 --> 01:24:41.520
Splitting this lot, you don't have any intentions of doing

01:24:41.520 --> 01:24:46.920
anything other than, if anything, building another single-

01:24:46.920 --> 01:24:50.460
family home there, is that correct?

01:24:50.460 --> 01:24:53.460
Okay. On the new lot, on the separate lot?

01:24:53.460 --> 01:24:53.960
Yes.

01:24:53.960 --> 01:24:55.460
Okay. That's all I need. Thank you, sir.

01:24:55.460 --> 01:24:56.460
Thank you.

01:24:56.460 --> 01:24:57.460
I have a question.

01:24:57.460 --> 01:24:59.460
Commissioner Sanchez.

01:24:59.460 --> 01:25:03.819
Did you meet with any of the neighbors in that area to find

01:25:03.819 --> 01:25:07.829
out what their thoughts were? Because I know I've talked to

01:25:07.829 --> 01:25:11.159
a few of them, and they were concerned about what was going

01:25:11.159 --> 01:25:13.460
on in dividing that lot, so that was their concern.

01:25:13.460 --> 01:25:15.460
So have you met with any of them to kind of?

01:25:15.460 --> 01:25:18.609
I have taken several phone calls from concerned residents

01:25:18.609 --> 01:25:22.079
and explained the situation, and I have one, actually, Mr.

01:25:22.079 --> 01:25:25.220
Jackson mirrored exactly what I was going to present to you

01:25:25.220 --> 01:25:28.300
, except I have one other exhibit that I'd like to show you

01:25:28.300 --> 01:25:29.460
if it'll help.

01:25:29.460 --> 01:25:30.460
Sure, absolutely.

01:25:30.460 --> 01:25:34.460
If you want to put it just on that, the felts.

01:25:45.460 --> 01:25:52.460
Okay.

01:25:52.460 --> 01:25:54.460
Okay. This shows the existing conditions.

01:25:54.460 --> 01:26:01.939
When the two lots were combined into a single lot, and for

01:26:01.939 --> 01:26:05.539
the moment ignore this new lot line, it was done because

01:26:05.539 --> 01:26:08.640
the size of the house was built and the original lot line

01:26:08.640 --> 01:26:13.659
was across here somewhere, so it needed to be combined into

01:26:13.659 --> 01:26:14.460
one lot.

01:26:14.460 --> 01:26:17.840
As it turns out, they left plenty of leftover there's

01:26:17.840 --> 01:26:23.170
approximately 12,000 square feet, or 7,000 is required for

01:26:23.170 --> 01:26:27.149
it should be 50 it's more like 90 something and depth is

01:26:27.149 --> 01:26:31.569
supposed to be 80 is more than 142 so it's way more than a

01:26:31.569 --> 01:26:34.460
standard law for that in our four zoning would be.

01:26:34.460 --> 01:26:37.850
But that's basically what's there now. This is the area

01:26:37.850 --> 01:26:41.460
where the second house will be built.

01:26:41.460 --> 01:26:44.460
Okay.

01:26:44.460 --> 01:26:46.460
Question for that.

01:26:46.460 --> 01:26:49.399
And I just kind of wanted to piggyback on what Commissioner

01:26:49.399 --> 01:26:51.979
back so I know a lot of the objections that we got were

01:26:51.979 --> 01:26:54.739
based on people not knowing what the area was going to be

01:26:54.739 --> 01:26:55.460
used for.

01:26:55.460 --> 01:27:01.539
We are just considering the division of the plot, in order

01:27:01.539 --> 01:27:07.359
for any of the anything business like we'd have to rezone

01:27:07.359 --> 01:27:11.460
it which we're not correct so right.

01:27:11.460 --> 01:27:14.510
And if I may add the answer to your question the

01:27:14.510 --> 01:27:18.390
conversations I had with the residents all had to do with

01:27:18.390 --> 01:27:21.960
some misunderstanding think if there was some kind of a

01:27:21.960 --> 01:27:25.460
zoning or the something commercial might go in.

01:27:25.460 --> 01:27:29.399
So I was able to explain to them and think that there was

01:27:29.399 --> 01:27:33.430
satisfaction, but all this was was just creating a rec

01:27:33.430 --> 01:27:37.460
reating a lot that existed once in 1972.

01:27:37.460 --> 01:27:40.800
The questions I had, they were afraid that the lot, the lot

01:27:40.800 --> 01:27:43.920
that you were going to create was going to be too small and

01:27:43.920 --> 01:27:46.920
you go in and create a smaller house than was in the rest

01:27:46.920 --> 01:27:48.460
of the neighborhood.

01:27:48.460 --> 01:27:52.060
There were, you know, most of those houses are about 3000

01:27:52.060 --> 01:27:55.579
square feet, and you come in and maybe put in a 1200 square

01:27:55.579 --> 01:27:58.470
that was that was a concern that was given to me is come in

01:27:58.470 --> 01:28:02.460
and put a 12 1300 square foot, you have a small lot and a

01:28:02.460 --> 01:28:06.229
small house rather than what is compatible in the rest of

01:28:06.229 --> 01:28:06.460
the neighborhood.

01:28:06.460 --> 01:28:12.199
Right, as it turns out it's actually larger law than the

01:28:12.199 --> 01:28:16.460
rest of the thoughts in the neighborhood.

01:28:16.460 --> 01:28:19.460
I don't see any other questions I appreciate it. Thank you.

01:28:19.460 --> 01:28:25.710
This is a public hearing item if anyone wishes to speak,

01:28:25.710 --> 01:28:27.460
you may do so.

01:28:27.460 --> 01:28:31.750
Seeing none I will close the public hearing and open for

01:28:31.750 --> 01:28:34.460
discussion or emotion, Mr Smith.

01:28:34.460 --> 01:28:36.460
Motion for approval.

01:28:36.460 --> 01:28:38.460
First, Rebecca second.

01:28:38.460 --> 01:28:42.460
We have a first and a second. Is there any discussion.

01:28:42.460 --> 01:28:52.460
Seeing none I call for a vote on the board.

01:28:52.460 --> 01:29:07.199
Motion carries seven zero. As a point of order, we'd like

01:29:07.199 --> 01:29:08.619
to make an amendment to the agenda. For the sake of some

01:29:08.619 --> 01:29:10.460
timing, we'd like to move agenda G DC 18 DC a 18 dash 005

01:29:10.460 --> 01:29:15.840
to the next item so item G is now going to become item C,

01:29:15.840 --> 01:29:20.460
and I'll call Julie for presentation.

01:29:20.460 --> 01:29:30.460
Good evening.

01:29:30.460 --> 01:29:35.460
I'm Julie Wyatt senior planner with the city of Denton.

01:29:35.460 --> 01:29:53.079
And I am presenting a DCA 18 five tie vote procedure. Sorry

01:29:53.079 --> 01:29:53.659
. The request before us to hold a public hearing and

01:29:53.659 --> 01:29:53.930
consider making a recommendation to city council regarding

01:29:53.930 --> 01:29:54.159
a proposed revision to the Denton Development Code,

01:29:54.159 --> 01:29:55.460
specific specifically to address those situations

01:29:55.460 --> 01:30:00.460
where there, there's a motion that results in a tie vote.

01:30:00.460 --> 01:30:05.829
I'll give it a background to see how how we got here. This,

01:30:05.829 --> 01:30:08.880
the planning and zoning Commission heard a rezoning case

01:30:08.880 --> 01:30:11.909
earlier this year that resulted in a tie vote that brought

01:30:11.909 --> 01:30:14.869
to the for what those, what the procedures are when a tie

01:30:14.869 --> 01:30:19.460
vote is resulted from a motion, and those, those follow

01:30:19.460 --> 01:30:22.619
the local rules of procedure there in the code of ordin

01:30:22.619 --> 01:30:26.390
ances and particularly in section to dash 29 matters voted

01:30:26.390 --> 01:30:29.000
on by the city council which in a tie vote shall

01:30:29.000 --> 01:30:32.579
automatically be placed on each subsequent council meeting

01:30:32.579 --> 01:30:35.460
agenda until a full council is present.

01:30:35.460 --> 01:30:38.460
And so that rule applies to the planning and zoning

01:30:38.460 --> 01:30:39.460
Commission.

01:30:39.460 --> 01:30:42.819
So on that previous case, due to a recusal in the planning

01:30:42.819 --> 01:30:46.319
and zoning Commission the number of voting members of the P

01:30:46.319 --> 01:30:49.899
NC was permanently reduced to six. And that's where they got

01:30:49.899 --> 01:30:51.460
the three three vote.

01:30:51.460 --> 01:30:54.630
The, the, the case came before the planning and zoning

01:30:54.630 --> 01:30:58.170
Commission twice, and four votes and either the affirmative

01:30:58.170 --> 01:31:01.890
or the negative were not possible. So in a sense that case

01:31:01.890 --> 01:31:05.569
was immobilized it couldn't go forward it couldn't, it

01:31:05.569 --> 01:31:07.460
couldn't do anything.

01:31:07.460 --> 01:31:10.510
And as a result of that city council, asked staff to

01:31:10.510 --> 01:31:13.840
prepare work session and some options by which that they

01:31:13.840 --> 01:31:17.390
could prevent this from happening again and so in September

01:31:17.390 --> 01:31:20.949
, staff presenting four options to city council regarding

01:31:20.949 --> 01:31:22.460
the tie vote issue.

01:31:22.460 --> 01:31:25.659
First option is no action just keep things as they are. The

01:31:25.659 --> 01:31:28.979
second option would be to remove the tie vote provision for

01:31:28.979 --> 01:31:32.460
all boards and commissions, including the city council.

01:31:32.460 --> 01:31:35.789
The third option would be to remove the tie vote provision

01:31:35.789 --> 01:31:39.460
for all boards and commissions but excluding city council.

01:31:39.460 --> 01:31:42.789
And then the fourth option was was the most targeted option

01:31:42.789 --> 01:31:45.609
and that was to amend the debt and development code to

01:31:45.609 --> 01:31:47.460
address only the planning and zoning Commission

01:31:47.460 --> 01:32:00.069
and allow cases where there is a tie vote to move forward

01:32:00.069 --> 01:32:03.460
as a denial. As, as you're aware, typically when the

01:32:03.460 --> 01:32:03.460
planning and zoning Commission recommends denial in order

01:32:03.460 --> 01:32:03.460
to approve that request city council would have to, there

01:32:03.460 --> 01:32:03.460
would have to be a super majority of votes

01:32:03.460 --> 01:32:07.020
which would be six out of seven, they felt like that might

01:32:07.020 --> 01:32:10.449
have been a little too strenuous as a denial since the full

01:32:10.449 --> 01:32:14.100
planning and zoning Commission did not recommend denial so

01:32:14.100 --> 01:32:17.460
they they they asked that we move forward with a text

01:32:17.460 --> 01:32:20.880
amendment to the debt and development code to move, move

01:32:20.880 --> 01:32:25.109
tie votes forward to the city council, but then remove that

01:32:25.109 --> 01:32:28.460
super majority provision for that denial.

01:32:28.460 --> 01:32:31.890
So the language that was prepared in response to that was

01:32:31.890 --> 01:32:35.399
any motion resulting in a tie vote of the Commission would

01:32:35.399 --> 01:32:38.789
automatically be deemed as a denial recommendation to

01:32:38.789 --> 01:32:42.460
before it did to the city council for a final decision.

01:32:42.460 --> 01:32:46.460
The

01:32:46.460 --> 01:32:51.630
The denial shall not require a three fourths vote of all

01:32:51.630 --> 01:32:58.460
members of the city council qualified to vote as stated in

01:32:58.460 --> 01:32:59.460
35 dot three dot four dot c dot or dot B.

01:32:59.460 --> 01:33:02.260
So our original assessment was to was to place this

01:33:02.260 --> 01:33:05.390
language in in the operational procedures of PNC and sub

01:33:05.390 --> 01:33:08.850
chapter four. However, we wanted to make sure upon further

01:33:08.850 --> 01:33:11.789
reflection we felt like it should be maybe in several

01:33:11.789 --> 01:33:17.460
places in the development code so that so that applicants

01:33:17.460 --> 01:33:19.939
and members of the public could be aware of what the

01:33:19.939 --> 01:33:20.460
procedures would be.

01:33:20.460 --> 01:33:24.020
So they wouldn't have to target in on that one section

01:33:24.020 --> 01:33:26.460
there would be a couple of sections.

01:33:26.460 --> 01:33:29.550
So the considerations that we looked at was first and an

01:33:29.550 --> 01:33:32.840
amendment with this amendment as proposed would prevent

01:33:32.840 --> 01:33:36.159
leaving projects in an indeterminate state it would allow

01:33:36.159 --> 01:33:39.460
them to move forward and have an ultimate decision.

01:33:39.460 --> 01:33:42.460
Although the recommendation would be a denial.

01:33:42.460 --> 01:33:47.489
The super majority requirement has been removed since that

01:33:47.489 --> 01:33:50.829
since that since the PNC would the full PNC didn't

01:33:50.829 --> 01:33:54.500
recommend that denial. But there are issues that are that

01:33:54.500 --> 01:33:58.199
are discussed in the planning zoning Commission regarding

01:33:58.199 --> 01:34:01.460
all cases and in cases that result in a tie vote.

01:34:01.460 --> 01:34:04.819
And so as with any case the City Council would be apprised

01:34:04.819 --> 01:34:07.979
of the of the PNC meeting minutes as well as in their in

01:34:07.979 --> 01:34:10.920
their backup material as summary of the points of

01:34:10.920 --> 01:34:14.479
discussion including any issues that are that arise and the

01:34:14.479 --> 01:34:18.460
final vote so that they're fully informed of everything

01:34:18.460 --> 01:34:20.460
that transpired.

01:34:20.460 --> 01:34:24.270
So based upon the direction from Council staff recommends

01:34:24.270 --> 01:34:28.079
approval of the request with the caveat that this is the

01:34:28.079 --> 01:34:31.899
language that the recommendation before not necessarily the

01:34:31.899 --> 01:34:35.560
location and the development code and I'll stand for any

01:34:35.560 --> 01:34:36.460
questions.

01:34:36.460 --> 01:34:39.210
We do have one question back. Thank you, Chair. Thanks,

01:34:39.210 --> 01:34:39.460
Julie.

01:34:39.460 --> 01:34:42.460
Could you go back to the options we had.

01:34:42.460 --> 01:34:45.489
And tell me what this number three until if we had a high

01:34:45.489 --> 01:34:48.460
vote it would just simply go into City Council.

01:34:48.460 --> 01:34:52.399
Is that what you're saying. Well, these were actually the

01:34:52.399 --> 01:34:55.590
options that were presented to city council as as and and

01:34:55.590 --> 01:34:59.029
numbers two and three would actually not even come before

01:34:59.029 --> 01:35:02.750
they wouldn't follow the process that you're doing tonight,

01:35:02.750 --> 01:35:05.460
because they would be amending the code of ordinances

01:35:05.460 --> 01:35:08.539
in order to do that so that would be changing a different

01:35:08.539 --> 01:35:11.500
set of regulations that the city and so three and four

01:35:11.500 --> 01:35:14.779
would be the code of ordinances, or I'm sorry two and three

01:35:14.779 --> 01:35:17.939
would be an amendment to the code of ordinances to change

01:35:17.939 --> 01:35:23.060
that entire section to dash 29, which is more involved more

01:35:23.060 --> 01:35:23.460
.

01:35:23.460 --> 01:35:28.060
It would just be a broader, a broader decision and in in

01:35:28.060 --> 01:35:32.760
Council's discussion discussions they really wanted a

01:35:32.760 --> 01:35:36.460
targeted solution to the to the problem. Okay.

01:35:36.460 --> 01:35:37.460
Okay, thanks.

01:35:37.460 --> 01:35:40.460
Pressure for Neda.

01:35:40.460 --> 01:35:43.920
So if we were to vote against this, I guess what would be

01:35:43.920 --> 01:35:47.600
the process of coming back and changing some of the wording

01:35:47.600 --> 01:35:51.090
, my, my concern is that this specifically deals with

01:35:51.090 --> 01:35:54.750
instances where there would be a recusal, and as we know a

01:35:54.750 --> 01:35:59.460
recusal in and of itself is a safeguard against the

01:35:59.460 --> 01:35:59.460
influence

01:35:59.460 --> 01:36:01.460
of special interests.

01:36:01.460 --> 01:36:05.489
So, right now what's proposed is that we not only remove

01:36:05.489 --> 01:36:09.270
that safeguard it moves on to city council, and then

01:36:09.270 --> 01:36:13.500
removes the requirement for a supermajority which then in

01:36:13.500 --> 01:36:17.630
and of itself removes to safeguards from the influence of

01:36:17.630 --> 01:36:19.460
special interest.

01:36:19.460 --> 01:36:24.010
Can we can we vote this down and basically address the idea

01:36:24.010 --> 01:36:28.850
of a these this procedure applying specifically to recusals

01:36:28.850 --> 01:36:33.090
and then be possibly moving you know if we were to move

01:36:33.090 --> 01:36:37.609
have to move forward, have to move forward as a technical

01:36:37.609 --> 01:36:41.460
denial, requiring a supermajority.

01:36:41.460 --> 01:36:45.890
So, Mr. Pernette staff has said that we would have the

01:36:45.890 --> 01:36:49.460
option to table the item and have it represented to us.

01:36:49.460 --> 01:36:51.460
Any more questions I don't want to.

01:36:51.460 --> 01:36:52.460
Are you good.

01:36:52.460 --> 01:36:53.460
No.

01:36:53.460 --> 01:36:54.460
You got.

01:36:54.460 --> 01:36:55.460
Sure Alice.

01:36:55.460 --> 01:36:56.460
Thank you.

01:36:56.460 --> 01:36:57.460
Thank you, Chair.

01:36:57.460 --> 01:36:58.460
Okay.

01:36:58.460 --> 01:37:00.460
Table this item is that what you're talking about.

01:37:00.460 --> 01:37:01.460
The option.

01:37:01.460 --> 01:37:04.220
I mean, what I'm going to restate what I stated in work

01:37:04.220 --> 01:37:07.199
session, the way it's written right now we rewritten a rule

01:37:07.199 --> 01:37:09.460
that's already in place for a tie vote.

01:37:09.460 --> 01:37:12.270
The way it's written now it certainly is not fair that I

01:37:12.270 --> 01:37:15.170
would be absent I would be ill I would be on vacation, and

01:37:15.170 --> 01:37:17.960
I don't get my voice heard and it ends up in a three three

01:37:17.960 --> 01:37:20.960
tie and it's automatically a denial which were restating

01:37:20.960 --> 01:37:24.460
the definition of because a denial requires a supermajority

01:37:24.460 --> 01:37:24.460
.

01:37:24.460 --> 01:37:33.770
And now we're calling it a denial, but rewriting what that

01:37:33.770 --> 01:37:40.460
really means when it goes on to counsel.

01:37:40.460 --> 01:37:46.310
I mean, but not in just a tie vote at planning and zoning

01:37:46.310 --> 01:37:52.729
the way that this is written. I just can't, I can't support

01:37:52.729 --> 01:37:54.460
that at all.

01:37:54.460 --> 01:37:58.220
I mean, we're adding extra red tape and adding more

01:37:58.220 --> 01:38:02.449
procedures to an already complicated process and I don't

01:38:02.449 --> 01:38:06.359
agree with that either but if we just go back to the, to

01:38:06.359 --> 01:38:10.460
the, the actual event that occurred at the time.

01:38:10.460 --> 01:38:13.420
That was that the actual item that was for vote would be

01:38:13.420 --> 01:38:16.310
put to an approval so that we can essentially get to a

01:38:16.310 --> 01:38:19.340
council that would be full so there wouldn't be a tie vote

01:38:19.340 --> 01:38:22.180
that have seven voting members because there was me

01:38:22.180 --> 01:38:24.460
perpetual recusal at that level.

01:38:24.460 --> 01:38:27.710
And that would allow us to not have a almost a hung jury

01:38:27.710 --> 01:38:31.199
essentially we did down here, it was declare a mistrial

01:38:31.199 --> 01:38:33.460
allow for the item to go forward.

01:38:33.460 --> 01:38:37.399
I agree with you though that the, the one time if you know,

01:38:37.399 --> 01:38:40.880
Tim is missing because Tim has to be out of the city for

01:38:40.880 --> 01:38:44.710
work or whatever it is, and automatically an item that he

01:38:44.710 --> 01:38:48.460
would want to vote on is now passed on to the city council

01:38:48.460 --> 01:38:49.460
that completely misses maybe

01:38:49.460 --> 01:38:52.479
point or opinions that that'd be important for a seven

01:38:52.479 --> 01:38:55.560
person commission to see or a full voting commission be

01:38:55.560 --> 01:38:58.630
able to see so I agree with you and I would I would support

01:38:58.630 --> 01:39:01.460
a motion table, if that was to come to the floor.

01:39:01.460 --> 01:39:03.460
Commissioner Alice.

01:39:03.460 --> 01:39:06.220
Thank you, Jerry, just to respond to Commissioner Smith, we

01:39:06.220 --> 01:39:08.630
're not really adding more red tape here we're rewriting

01:39:08.630 --> 01:39:10.460
something that's really not broken.

01:39:10.460 --> 01:39:13.739
You know we're not addressing really what is the broken

01:39:13.739 --> 01:39:17.390
items, we're adding, we're adding, we're adding new new

01:39:17.390 --> 01:39:18.460
rules and so yeah,

01:39:18.460 --> 01:39:35.539
to have time to have a question for. Well, yeah, if we

01:39:35.539 --> 01:39:35.770
table this, and this probably goes more to the director or

01:39:35.770 --> 01:39:35.989
maybe even legal. So, what does that entail then we're

01:39:35.989 --> 01:39:36.210
going to give city council opportunity reworded what

01:39:36.210 --> 01:39:37.460
happens if we table.

01:39:37.460 --> 01:39:40.750
Excuse me, if it's if it's tabled, based on the based on

01:39:40.750 --> 01:39:44.119
the discussion we had today we would go back and revise and

01:39:44.119 --> 01:39:47.489
then bring that bring a revised language in front of you to

01:39:47.489 --> 01:39:48.460
consider.

01:39:48.460 --> 01:39:50.460
Good. Thank you.

01:39:50.460 --> 01:39:53.859
So, a couple couple things. This is a public hearing so I

01:39:53.859 --> 01:39:56.859
know it sounds like a lot of family talk up here. But if

01:39:56.859 --> 01:40:00.140
someone has input on how we vote for tie votes, we

01:40:00.140 --> 01:40:03.460
certainly are needing to hear that feedback.

01:40:03.460 --> 01:40:08.529
We need to make that known. We have any more questions of

01:40:08.529 --> 01:40:09.460
staff.

01:40:09.460 --> 01:40:12.930
We can handle that. Commissioner Smith I wanted you to talk

01:40:12.930 --> 01:40:14.880
for close the public hearing if you have questions or

01:40:14.880 --> 01:40:15.460
comments.

01:40:15.460 --> 01:40:19.399
Yeah, I just I would, I'd like to make a comment. Yeah,

01:40:19.399 --> 01:40:23.260
just the to what we discussed second ago, Commissioner

01:40:23.260 --> 01:40:26.699
Allison that, you know, adding or changing perfectly good

01:40:26.699 --> 01:40:28.460
standard procedures now.

01:40:28.460 --> 01:40:31.420
It's we need to have something in there about perpetual rec

01:40:31.420 --> 01:40:34.390
usals because we don't have something in there about petul

01:40:34.390 --> 01:40:37.489
ant recusals, we're going to be whether it's next week, next

01:40:37.489 --> 01:40:40.729
year, 10 years 15 years 20 years down the road this

01:40:40.729 --> 01:40:42.460
planning and zoning commission

01:40:42.460 --> 01:40:45.609
is a recommending body will run into another petulant recus

01:40:45.609 --> 01:40:48.739
als at some point in time, there should be something, but I

01:40:48.739 --> 01:40:51.710
believe, and I would like to direct city staff to create

01:40:51.710 --> 01:40:54.819
something that makes this point adjust to perpetual recus

01:40:54.819 --> 01:40:56.460
als or extended absences.

01:40:56.460 --> 01:40:59.699
Yes, I also wanted to state that it was a to me it was a

01:40:59.699 --> 01:41:03.470
very unique situation. I mean the fact that we didn't have

01:41:03.470 --> 01:41:06.789
any kind of regulations directing it shows that it was a

01:41:06.789 --> 01:41:08.460
very unique situation.

01:41:08.460 --> 01:41:12.789
So we should look at it as a unique situation only happened

01:41:12.789 --> 01:41:16.260
once. And, and so that we can go ahead and like like

01:41:16.260 --> 01:41:19.869
Commissioner Ellis is, you know, let's just talk look at

01:41:19.869 --> 01:41:20.460
that.

01:41:20.460 --> 01:41:23.359
And if we don't agree on the first meeting, carry it on to

01:41:23.359 --> 01:41:26.390
the second, there's possibilities that one of the other

01:41:26.390 --> 01:41:29.609
commissioners might change their mind after thinking about

01:41:29.609 --> 01:41:32.880
it, but to table it at that first meeting and send it to

01:41:32.880 --> 01:41:35.460
the city council I think to me is kind of rapid.

01:41:35.460 --> 01:41:39.210
So let's go ahead, send it, look at it again and if there's

01:41:39.210 --> 01:41:43.079
in that particular situation. You know we had one one

01:41:43.079 --> 01:41:46.510
commissioner that was not never going to come back on that

01:41:46.510 --> 01:41:50.159
particular issue, then we still vote on it a second time

01:41:50.159 --> 01:41:56.460
and then send it on to the city council.

01:41:56.460 --> 01:42:04.260
So I don't see any other questions for Julie Thank you very

01:42:04.260 --> 01:42:06.140
much. Again this is a public hearing, if anyone wishes to

01:42:06.140 --> 01:42:06.460
speak, let me do so.

01:42:06.460 --> 01:42:10.140
Commissioner Ellis I see that you have one take a motion

01:42:10.140 --> 01:42:13.760
just for my staff clarification we're gonna leave the

01:42:13.760 --> 01:42:17.899
public hearing, open, depending on what your motion is, if

01:42:17.899 --> 01:42:21.920
it is a motion to continue. If you didn't have a continuous

01:42:21.920 --> 01:42:25.739
for date certain at next meeting or something along those

01:42:25.739 --> 01:42:26.460
lines.

01:42:26.460 --> 01:42:29.189
If that is your motion I don't assume, but you have the

01:42:29.189 --> 01:42:29.460
floor.

01:42:29.460 --> 01:42:34.170
So, to table the item to the next planning and zoning

01:42:34.170 --> 01:42:39.140
meeting to give staff a chance to address our concerns

01:42:39.140 --> 01:42:43.460
brought up at work session and this meeting.

01:42:43.460 --> 01:42:45.460
Sir, you have.

01:42:45.460 --> 01:42:48.460
You can come down.

01:42:48.460 --> 01:42:52.460
If you just say your name and address.

01:42:52.460 --> 01:42:57.630
I'm a member of the council of the city council members on

01:42:57.630 --> 01:43:02.479
7909 rodeo drive. Did I hear correctly that you that the

01:43:02.479 --> 01:43:07.270
staff recommended that the whole council had to be present

01:43:07.270 --> 01:43:09.460
at the future meeting.

01:43:09.460 --> 01:43:13.409
That's what I thought I saw you read, and it. And if that

01:43:13.409 --> 01:43:17.270
is the case that issue needs to be addressed, because in

01:43:17.270 --> 01:43:21.310
the case where I believe you said something about a council

01:43:21.310 --> 01:43:25.460
member being sick or out of commission for a long time.

01:43:25.460 --> 01:43:28.460
That person, the whole council would not be present.

01:43:28.460 --> 01:43:29.460
That's my point.

01:43:29.460 --> 01:43:31.460
Christian.

01:43:31.460 --> 01:43:37.739
I'm sure it's like the, yeah, the wording is just for a for

01:43:37.739 --> 01:43:43.020
not to not to limit a super majority when it gets to

01:43:43.020 --> 01:43:44.460
council.

01:43:44.460 --> 01:43:48.020
And so it's I'm getting counseling commission. Yeah, yeah.

01:43:48.020 --> 01:43:49.460
So we're the commission to city council.

01:43:49.460 --> 01:43:54.819
Yeah, my point is is that I believe the language said that

01:43:54.819 --> 01:43:59.729
that the issue would be moved to a future meeting here

01:43:59.729 --> 01:44:03.460
until a entire commission was here.

01:44:03.460 --> 01:44:06.579
And if you actually look right there, the city code section

01:44:06.579 --> 01:44:10.140
to to 29. It does say that that is the current standing

01:44:10.140 --> 01:44:13.680
city council code that issue needs to be addressed because

01:44:13.680 --> 01:44:15.460
if someone can't be here.

01:44:15.460 --> 01:44:20.460
Yep. And that's what we're that's what we're working on.

01:44:20.460 --> 01:44:23.460
Appreciate you appreciate you input. Yeah, thank you.

01:44:23.460 --> 01:44:26.539
So we have a motion on the floor and just to clarify, you

01:44:26.539 --> 01:44:29.460
're wanting to continue to the next PNC meeting.

01:44:29.460 --> 01:44:33.460
That's your motion. Correct. Okay, Mr. Smith, I second.

01:44:33.460 --> 01:44:48.460
We have a first and a second to continue the item.

01:44:48.460 --> 01:45:12.460
Okay.

01:45:12.460 --> 01:45:19.460
Okay.

01:45:19.460 --> 01:45:22.460
Motion carries seven zero will revisit this at next meeting

01:45:22.460 --> 01:45:25.460
.

01:45:25.460 --> 01:45:28.460
Appreciate that consideration for us handling that briefly.

01:45:28.460 --> 01:45:32.460
That'll move us on to our next item. The original item C.

01:45:32.460 --> 01:45:35.460
Fr 18 dash zero zero nine on right.

01:45:35.460 --> 01:45:39.460
Ron for presentation and I'll open the public hearing.

01:45:39.460 --> 01:46:07.460
Okay.

01:46:07.460 --> 01:46:22.460
Okay.

01:46:22.460 --> 01:46:23.460
Chair members of the commission.

01:46:23.460 --> 01:46:27.770
This item for your consideration this evening is a request

01:46:27.770 --> 01:46:29.460
for a final replat a residential replat.

01:46:29.460 --> 01:46:34.399
The total area of the residential area is about a quarter

01:46:34.399 --> 01:46:37.460
of the city of downtown downtown.

01:46:37.460 --> 01:46:40.560
The total area of the residential area is DR two downtown

01:46:40.560 --> 01:46:44.460
residential to is possibly point two eight nine acres.

01:46:44.460 --> 01:46:49.149
And again, generally on the east side Bernard approximately

01:46:49.149 --> 01:46:52.460
350 feet just north of Eagle Drive.

01:46:52.460 --> 01:46:56.100
And the residential area is about a quarter of the city of

01:46:56.100 --> 01:46:59.460
downtown downtown.

01:46:59.460 --> 01:47:02.619
And the residential area is about a quarter of the city of

01:47:02.619 --> 01:47:03.460
downtown.

01:47:03.460 --> 01:47:06.199
And the residential area is about a quarter of the city of

01:47:06.199 --> 01:47:06.460
downtown.

01:47:06.460 --> 01:47:09.199
And the residential area is about a quarter of the city of

01:47:09.199 --> 01:47:09.460
downtown.

01:47:09.460 --> 01:47:12.199
And the residential area is about a quarter of the city of

01:47:12.199 --> 01:47:12.460
downtown.

01:47:12.460 --> 01:47:15.199
And the residential area is about a quarter of the city of

01:47:15.199 --> 01:47:15.460
downtown.

01:47:15.460 --> 01:47:18.199
And the residential area is about a quarter of the city of

01:47:18.199 --> 01:47:18.460
downtown.

01:47:18.460 --> 01:47:21.619
And the residential area is about a quarter of the city of

01:47:21.619 --> 01:47:22.460
downtown.

01:47:22.460 --> 01:47:25.199
And the residential area is about a quarter of the city of

01:47:25.199 --> 01:47:25.460
downtown.

01:47:25.460 --> 01:47:28.199
And the residential area is about a quarter of the city of

01:47:28.199 --> 01:47:28.460
downtown.

01:47:28.460 --> 01:47:31.199
And the residential area is about a quarter of the city of

01:47:31.199 --> 01:47:31.460
downtown.

01:47:31.460 --> 01:47:34.199
And the residential area is about a quarter of the city of

01:47:34.199 --> 01:47:34.460
downtown.

01:47:34.460 --> 01:47:37.199
And the residential area is about a quarter of the city of

01:47:37.199 --> 01:47:37.460
downtown.

01:47:37.460 --> 01:47:40.199
And the residential area is about a quarter of the city of

01:47:40.199 --> 01:47:40.460
downtown.

01:47:40.460 --> 01:47:43.199
And the residential area is about a quarter of the city of

01:47:43.199 --> 01:47:43.460
downtown.

01:47:43.460 --> 01:47:47.449
And the residential area is about a quarter of the city of

01:47:47.449 --> 01:47:48.460
downtown.

01:47:48.460 --> 01:47:52.789
Seeing none, I will close the public hearing and open for

01:47:52.789 --> 01:47:53.460
motion or discussion.

01:47:53.460 --> 01:47:55.460
Commissioner Beck.

01:47:55.460 --> 01:47:59.460
I move we approve FR18-009.

01:47:59.460 --> 01:48:00.460
Commissioner Pernetta.

01:48:00.460 --> 01:48:01.460
I second that.

01:48:01.460 --> 01:48:05.460
We have a first and a second. Any discussion?

01:48:05.460 --> 01:48:08.460
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote on the board.

01:48:13.460 --> 01:48:16.460
Motion carries 7-0.

01:48:19.460 --> 01:48:23.619
Next item on the agenda is the original item D, which is Z

01:48:23.619 --> 01:48:27.460
17-004B,

01:48:27.460 --> 01:48:34.460
as well as item E, S17-008B.

01:48:34.460 --> 01:48:38.020
At this time, we're going to open both public hearings for

01:48:38.020 --> 01:48:39.460
item D and E.

01:48:39.460 --> 01:48:43.460
And we'll hear a presentation concerning both together.

01:48:43.460 --> 01:48:45.460
We will public hear both together.

01:48:45.460 --> 01:48:49.020
We'll close out each one and vote independently for the

01:48:49.020 --> 01:48:50.460
zoning and then the SUP.

01:48:50.460 --> 01:48:53.819
And I'll invite Cindy Jackson for presentation and open the

01:48:53.819 --> 01:48:54.460
public hearings.

01:48:54.460 --> 01:48:56.460
Thank you, Chairman, members of the commission.

01:48:56.460 --> 01:48:59.460
Let me pull up my presentation.

01:49:09.460 --> 01:49:28.460
Okay.

01:49:28.460 --> 01:49:34.710
This is, as you noted, I am going to be giving a

01:49:34.710 --> 01:49:37.460
presentation for two public hearings,

01:49:37.460 --> 01:49:43.460
Z17-0004, which is a request to provide the initial zoning

01:49:43.460 --> 01:49:47.600
designation of neighborhood residential 6 district to

01:49:47.600 --> 01:49:50.460
approximately 118.04 acres of land,

01:49:50.460 --> 01:49:56.710
and S17-0008, a request for a specific use permit for a

01:49:56.710 --> 01:50:00.470
manufactured housing development on approximately 126.1

01:50:00.470 --> 01:50:01.460
acres of land.

01:50:01.460 --> 01:50:06.020
The subject site is located on the north side of East McKin

01:50:06.020 --> 01:50:09.460
ney Street and the west side of Trinity.

01:50:09.460 --> 01:50:12.460
You'll note this dotted line here.

01:50:12.460 --> 01:50:15.550
When we are discussing the zoning case, which we'll be

01:50:15.550 --> 01:50:19.390
doing first, we will be discussing all the land that is

01:50:19.390 --> 01:50:21.460
north of this dotted line.

01:50:21.460 --> 01:50:28.500
When we are discussing the SUP, the dotted line goes away

01:50:28.500 --> 01:50:34.460
and it's everything within the yellow shape.

01:50:34.460 --> 01:50:39.630
The request is for an initial zoning of this 118-acre site.

01:50:39.630 --> 01:50:44.140
It's currently zoned RD5X. That's the holding zoning

01:50:44.140 --> 01:50:48.630
designation, which was given to it when it was annexed into

01:50:48.630 --> 01:50:51.460
the city in August of last year.

01:50:51.460 --> 01:50:55.460
That is a placeholder zoning.

01:50:55.460 --> 01:51:00.340
The request for the NR6 zoning is actually an extension of

01:51:00.340 --> 01:51:05.460
the existing NR6 that is located along McKinney Street.

01:51:05.460 --> 01:51:12.390
This area, as you can see on this slide, was zoned NR6

01:51:12.390 --> 01:51:18.460
during the 2002 citywide rezoning.

01:51:18.460 --> 01:51:22.770
The applicant has prepared a concept plan for the site. The

01:51:22.770 --> 01:51:29.409
total land area is 126.1 gross acres, of which 118.04 is

01:51:29.409 --> 01:51:32.460
the subject of this zoning request.

01:51:32.460 --> 01:51:37.930
The proposed development will be developed in three phases.

01:51:37.930 --> 01:51:43.829
It will accommodate 497 stands for manufactured and modular

01:51:43.829 --> 01:51:49.079
housing and six one-acre lots, which will be developed with

01:51:49.079 --> 01:51:51.460
single-family homes.

01:51:51.460 --> 01:51:59.520
The applicant is proposing to preserve all 18.5 acres of E

01:51:59.520 --> 01:52:04.619
SA that is on the site. The applicant is proposing to

01:52:04.619 --> 01:52:09.460
provide 15.4 acres of open space, as shown in the red.

01:52:09.460 --> 01:52:14.630
The manufactured housing, 497 stands, you can see will be

01:52:14.630 --> 01:52:19.000
in the yellow areas. The applicant is providing six one-

01:52:19.000 --> 01:52:22.460
acre single-family lots along Trinity.

01:52:22.460 --> 01:52:29.050
They will serve as a transition between the property to the

01:52:29.050 --> 01:52:35.329
east and the manufactured housing park. The proposed

01:52:35.329 --> 01:52:41.930
overall density of the site is four dwelling units per acre

01:52:41.930 --> 01:52:42.460
.

01:52:42.460 --> 01:52:47.039
When looking at a request to rezone, there are criteria

01:52:47.039 --> 01:52:51.609
that we must consider in the Denton Development Code,

01:52:51.609 --> 01:52:54.460
Section 35.34(b).

01:52:54.460 --> 01:53:00.199
Specifically, the proposed rezoning must conform to the

01:53:00.199 --> 01:53:05.470
future land use element of the site, and the proposed

01:53:05.470 --> 01:53:11.699
zoning facilitates the adequate provision of transportation

01:53:11.699 --> 01:53:17.090
, water, sewer, schools, parks, and other public

01:53:17.090 --> 01:53:21.460
requirements and public convenience.

01:53:21.460 --> 01:53:27.239
The site is designated low residential on the future land

01:53:27.239 --> 01:53:30.460
use map, as you can see here.

01:53:30.460 --> 01:53:33.630
The intent of low residential is to promote single-family

01:53:33.630 --> 01:53:36.529
housing with lot sizes ranging from one acre or more in

01:53:36.529 --> 01:53:39.460
rural areas with a density of four units per acre.

01:53:39.460 --> 01:53:44.520
The proposed NR6 zoning district meets the intent of the

01:53:44.520 --> 01:53:49.279
future land use designation only when coupled with the

01:53:49.279 --> 01:53:54.340
conditions for approval, which limit the density to four

01:53:54.340 --> 01:53:57.460
dwelling units per gross acre.

01:53:57.460 --> 01:54:00.430
The proposed zoning is to be a continuation of the NR6

01:54:00.430 --> 01:54:03.520
district located on the south side of the site. The uses

01:54:03.520 --> 01:54:06.850
permitted in the NR6 district would be consistent with the

01:54:06.850 --> 01:54:09.710
uses that exist today in the area, however at a lower

01:54:09.710 --> 01:54:10.460
density.

01:54:10.460 --> 01:54:21.550
Ashley Oaks is a mobile home park with 624 stands and a

01:54:21.550 --> 01:54:31.609
density of 5.99 dwelling units per acre. Denton Falls, I

01:54:31.609 --> 01:54:32.210
believe is what it's called down here, is a mobile home

01:54:32.210 --> 01:54:32.909
park which has approximately 188 stands with a density of 5

01:54:32.909 --> 01:54:33.460
.12 dwelling units per acre.

01:54:33.460 --> 01:54:37.279
Well, this isn't a mobile home park, it is a modular and

01:54:37.279 --> 01:54:41.310
manufactured home park which is providing amenities that

01:54:41.310 --> 01:54:45.460
you would normally see in a single-family subdivision.

01:54:45.460 --> 01:54:53.850
The density of the proposed park is also significantly

01:54:53.850 --> 01:55:02.460
lower than the adjacent manufactured housing parks.

01:55:02.460 --> 01:55:07.069
16 notices were sent out via certified mail within 200 feet

01:55:07.069 --> 01:55:10.960
of the property and 19 notices were sent out, courtesy

01:55:10.960 --> 01:55:14.460
notices within 500 feet of the property.

01:55:14.460 --> 01:55:19.630
We received two responses in opposition which comprise 28%

01:55:19.630 --> 01:55:24.460
of the land area located within the 200 foot buffer.

01:55:24.460 --> 01:55:29.460
You can see these areas here and here.

01:55:29.460 --> 01:55:33.460
Three signs were posted on the site as well.

01:55:33.460 --> 01:55:38.710
Now because of the fact that the 28% of the land within the

01:55:38.710 --> 01:55:44.399
200 foot buffer is in opposition, this will require a super

01:55:44.399 --> 01:55:48.460
majority vote of the City Council when it moves forward.

01:55:48.460 --> 01:55:56.460
Staff recommends approval of Z17-004 subject to conditions.

01:55:56.460 --> 01:55:59.380
These conditions will bring the site into compliance with

01:55:59.380 --> 01:56:02.460
the goals and objectives of the Denton Plan 2030.

01:56:02.460 --> 01:56:05.510
The proposed conditions for approval are that an overlay be

01:56:05.510 --> 01:56:08.460
placed on the property with the following requirements.

01:56:08.460 --> 01:56:12.020
Maximum permitted density on the site shall be no more than

01:56:12.020 --> 01:56:14.460
four dwelling units per gross acre.

01:56:14.460 --> 01:56:16.460
Permitted land uses on the site.

01:56:16.460 --> 01:56:19.460
Modular and manufactured homes as shown on the concept plan

01:56:19.460 --> 01:56:19.460
.

01:56:19.460 --> 01:56:25.000
And six single family detached housing lots on a minimum

01:56:25.000 --> 01:56:29.460
one acre lot located along South Trinity.

01:56:29.460 --> 01:56:33.460
Okay. That concludes the first public hearing.

01:56:33.460 --> 01:56:39.109
The second public hearing is S17-00808, request for

01:56:39.109 --> 01:56:42.500
specific use permit for manufactured housing development on

01:56:42.500 --> 01:56:44.460
126.1 acres of land.

01:56:44.460 --> 01:56:48.229
You'll note the red dashed line is gone and we are

01:56:48.229 --> 01:56:52.460
considering the entire site in the yellow shape.

01:56:52.460 --> 01:56:56.170
The subject site is generally located north of East McKin

01:56:56.170 --> 01:57:02.460
ney and west of South Trinity Road.

01:57:02.460 --> 01:57:05.460
Here again is the proposed concept plan.

01:57:05.460 --> 01:57:08.460
I'm just going to go over it really quickly.

01:57:08.460 --> 01:57:11.460
126.1 gross acres.

01:57:11.460 --> 01:57:16.460
They're proposing to preserve 18.5 acres of ESA.

01:57:16.460 --> 01:57:21.460
They're proposing to provide 15.4 acres of open space.

01:57:21.460 --> 01:57:26.720
497 stands within the park and six one acre lots along

01:57:26.720 --> 01:57:31.649
Trinity for an overall density of four dwelling units per

01:57:31.649 --> 01:57:32.460
acre.

01:57:32.460 --> 01:57:35.460
The site will actually take access from McKinney Street.

01:57:35.460 --> 01:57:39.460
We've got two entrances along McKinney Street.

01:57:39.460 --> 01:57:44.460
One is a right in, right out and one is a full entrance.

01:57:44.460 --> 01:57:47.680
The applicant will install two left turn lanes into the

01:57:47.680 --> 01:57:49.460
site from McKinney Street.

01:57:49.460 --> 01:57:54.100
The ultimate right of way for Post Oak equating 1,100

01:57:54.100 --> 01:57:58.460
linear feet parallel to the subject site right along here

01:57:58.460 --> 01:58:01.460
will be dedicated with this project.

01:58:01.460 --> 01:58:05.729
The four lane intersection of Post Oak with McKinney Street

01:58:05.729 --> 01:58:09.670
with a transition to two lanes will be constructed with

01:58:09.670 --> 01:58:13.000
this project at the time of the McKinney Street

01:58:13.000 --> 01:58:14.460
improvements.

01:58:14.460 --> 01:58:18.020
There are two planned access points along Post Oak, a right

01:58:18.020 --> 01:58:22.079
in and right out closest to the intersection and then a

01:58:22.079 --> 01:58:24.460
full access entry right here.

01:58:24.460 --> 01:58:29.840
Now you will note that there is an exit off of an entrance

01:58:29.840 --> 01:58:35.579
off of Trinity that is a restricted access entrance that is

01:58:35.579 --> 01:58:41.079
only to be used by emergency medical services and police

01:58:41.079 --> 01:58:42.460
department.

01:58:42.460 --> 01:58:46.020
When we look at an SUP and consider whether or not it

01:58:46.020 --> 01:58:50.260
should be approved, we look at the criteria for approval in

01:58:50.260 --> 01:58:53.460
section 35.6.4.

01:58:53.460 --> 01:58:56.289
Compatibility analysis between the surrounding property and

01:58:56.289 --> 01:58:58.460
the requested use including the following.

01:58:58.460 --> 01:59:01.500
The specific use will not impede the normal and orderly

01:59:01.500 --> 01:59:04.829
development of surrounding and vacant property, parking

01:59:04.829 --> 01:59:08.210
generation of traffic and access, nuisance prevention,

01:59:08.210 --> 01:59:17.460
landscaping and screening, and architectural compatibility.

01:59:17.460 --> 01:59:20.609
With the proposed density of four dwelling units per acre,

01:59:20.609 --> 01:59:23.520
this proposed development has a lower density than the

01:59:23.520 --> 01:59:26.460
mobile home parks that are located on either side.

01:59:26.460 --> 01:59:29.899
The applicant has included six acres located on the west

01:59:29.899 --> 01:59:33.390
side of South Trinity which are to be developed as single

01:59:33.390 --> 01:59:34.460
family homes.

01:59:34.460 --> 01:59:38.460
These will provide greater compatibility towards the east.

01:59:38.460 --> 01:59:41.600
The applicant in response to concerns expressed by

01:59:41.600 --> 01:59:45.170
residents in the area has eliminated access to and from the

01:59:45.170 --> 01:59:48.819
site via Trinity Road except for our gated emergency access

01:59:48.819 --> 01:59:49.460
site.

01:59:49.460 --> 01:59:52.220
Water will be available from McKinney Street and

01:59:52.220 --> 01:59:55.319
improvements to the lift station located on Trinity may be

01:59:55.319 --> 01:59:57.460
necessary with this development.

01:59:57.460 --> 02:00:02.960
The proposed development also complies with element seven

02:00:02.960 --> 02:00:08.569
of the Denton Plan 2030 with regards to encouraging

02:00:08.569 --> 02:00:13.739
different housing types, different housing costs and

02:00:13.739 --> 02:00:15.460
location choices.

02:00:15.460 --> 02:00:20.079
And again, we did send out notices within 200 feet, we sent

02:00:20.079 --> 02:00:24.850
17 notices via certified mail and within 500 feet we sent

02:00:24.850 --> 02:00:27.460
20 notices via regular mail.

02:00:27.460 --> 02:00:32.460
We received in response, one in response in opposition.

02:00:32.460 --> 02:00:37.779
You can see it right here and this again comprises 28% of

02:00:37.779 --> 02:00:43.460
the land area within the 200 feet of the property and will

02:00:43.460 --> 02:00:47.460
require a super majority of the council.

02:00:47.460 --> 02:00:51.460
The applicant also held two neighborhood meetings.

02:00:51.460 --> 02:00:56.390
One was last November and one was actually last, just

02:00:56.390 --> 02:00:57.460
Monday night.

02:00:57.460 --> 02:01:05.079
Synopsis of the meeting on Monday night was handed out

02:01:05.079 --> 02:01:08.460
during the work session.

02:01:08.460 --> 02:01:11.619
Staff recommends approval of this request subject to the

02:01:11.619 --> 02:01:13.460
conditions in exhibit seven.

02:01:13.460 --> 02:01:17.399
These are the requirements and I can read them out loud if

02:01:17.399 --> 02:01:18.460
you'd like.

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That concludes my presentation.

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The applicant is present as well.

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Thank you Cindy. We do have a question Commissioner Begg.

02:01:25.460 --> 02:01:29.460
Thank you Chair. Thanks Cindy for your presentation.

02:01:29.460 --> 02:01:32.590
I would like you to elaborate on a little bit because we've

02:01:32.590 --> 02:01:36.170
seen some of the opposition to it and I hope to clear it up

02:01:36.170 --> 02:01:36.460
.

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If you could explain a few things.

02:01:39.460 --> 02:01:44.199
Explain why there is a trailer park, a true trailer park in

02:01:44.199 --> 02:01:46.460
an NR2 zone right now.

02:01:46.460 --> 02:01:50.140
The Ashley Park or whatever it is to the west of this

02:01:50.140 --> 02:01:51.460
development.

02:01:51.460 --> 02:02:00.979
Well, Ashley Oaks was actually developed in 1985 and it was

02:02:00.979 --> 02:02:06.460
rezoned to NR2 during the 2002 citywide rezoning.

02:02:06.460 --> 02:02:10.460
Quite frankly, I'm not sure why it was rezoned to NR2

02:02:10.460 --> 02:02:14.460
except perhaps to comply with the future land use

02:02:14.460 --> 02:02:18.600
designation of the site because the actual use doesn't

02:02:18.600 --> 02:02:20.460
comply with it.

02:02:20.460 --> 02:02:24.789
This second park down here was recently annexed into the

02:02:24.789 --> 02:02:25.460
city.

02:02:25.460 --> 02:02:29.020
It was developed in the county and it has a holding zoning

02:02:29.020 --> 02:02:30.460
of RD5X right now.

02:02:30.460 --> 02:02:34.460
But it hasn't been designated as a city. No it hasn't.

02:02:34.460 --> 02:02:38.170
What distinguishes a trailer park from what the developer

02:02:38.170 --> 02:02:39.460
wants to do here?

02:02:39.460 --> 02:02:43.920
Well, when you think of a trailer park, you think of the

02:02:43.920 --> 02:02:49.170
trailer homes that were developed before 1976 that have

02:02:49.170 --> 02:02:52.460
wheels and a metal skirt and are movable.

02:02:52.460 --> 02:03:01.439
They're in parks, on stands, and the amenities, there aren

02:03:01.439 --> 02:03:06.460
't very many amenities in these parks typically.

02:03:06.460 --> 02:03:14.890
The proposed modular home and manufactured home park, they

02:03:14.890 --> 02:03:19.460
will not permit these mobile homes in this park.

02:03:19.460 --> 02:03:22.859
Modular homes are permitted and the city considers modular

02:03:22.859 --> 02:03:25.460
homes to be a single family dwelling unit.

02:03:25.460 --> 02:03:29.430
So they are permitted by right on this site if the site

02:03:29.430 --> 02:03:33.460
were a typical subdivision with lots and blocks.

02:03:33.460 --> 02:03:38.090
Manufactured homes are actually built after 1976. They are

02:03:38.090 --> 02:03:42.390
built according to actual building codes, whereas the

02:03:42.390 --> 02:03:44.460
trailer homes were not.

02:03:44.460 --> 02:03:47.619
These homes are going to be on a permanent engineered

02:03:47.619 --> 02:03:50.460
foundation and affixed to the foundation.

02:03:50.460 --> 02:03:53.460
The applicant can give you more information about that.

02:03:53.460 --> 02:03:59.189
Plus there's an amenity center, parks, open space ESA,

02:03:59.189 --> 02:04:04.579
walking trails, a lot of amenities that are going to be

02:04:04.579 --> 02:04:07.460
provided for the residents.

02:04:07.460 --> 02:04:10.220
And I believe there's plenty of landscaping and there's a

02:04:10.220 --> 02:04:13.149
six foot masonry wall around the whole development, correct

02:04:13.149 --> 02:04:15.460
? Okay.

02:04:15.460 --> 02:04:19.020
I've known several people who lived in mobile homes and

02:04:19.020 --> 02:04:22.609
there's a distinct difference in style and structure and

02:04:22.609 --> 02:04:24.659
everything between them and a modular home and a

02:04:24.659 --> 02:04:27.460
manufactured home, a unapproved manufactured home.

02:04:27.460 --> 02:04:30.250
So there is a difference. Now explain to us, you talked to

02:04:30.250 --> 02:04:33.489
us in the work session about future road expansion, McKin

02:04:33.489 --> 02:04:34.460
ney and so on.

02:04:34.460 --> 02:04:37.210
And I know a lot of citizens are concerned about extra

02:04:37.210 --> 02:04:39.840
traffic and the roads not being able to handle them. So all

02:04:39.840 --> 02:04:42.460
ay some concerns here for us if you can.

02:04:42.460 --> 02:04:52.460
Sure. Let me find that.

02:04:52.460 --> 02:04:54.460
Sorry, it's in one of these.

02:04:54.460 --> 02:04:58.720
The applicant essentially is going to be providing two left

02:04:58.720 --> 02:05:02.460
turn lanes along McKinney to access the site.

02:05:02.460 --> 02:05:08.779
They are going to be providing the full width of post oak

02:05:08.779 --> 02:05:13.460
along that runs along this site here.

02:05:13.460 --> 02:05:16.460
They're also going to develop two lanes of it.

02:05:16.460 --> 02:05:20.850
They're going to develop the intersection of post oak and

02:05:20.850 --> 02:05:25.460
McKinney and they are going to provide a traffic signal.

02:05:25.460 --> 02:05:30.789
They are going to build a concrete path along McKinney to

02:05:30.789 --> 02:05:35.340
Ryan High School so that children can walk to school and

02:05:35.340 --> 02:05:37.460
not be in the right of way.

02:05:37.460 --> 02:05:40.609
Didn't you say McKinney was going to be widened completely

02:05:40.609 --> 02:05:41.460
all the way?

02:05:41.460 --> 02:05:45.460
Well, yes, McKinney is going to be widened.

02:05:45.460 --> 02:05:49.020
It's under designed right now. It's anticipated it will be

02:05:49.020 --> 02:05:51.460
widened within two years.

02:05:51.460 --> 02:05:58.460
That will coincide with the development of phase one.

02:05:58.460 --> 02:06:02.399
Also, the improvements to Mayhill are anticipated to be

02:06:02.399 --> 02:06:04.460
completed by that time as well.

02:06:04.460 --> 02:06:08.789
It's expected that when this opens up, there will be little

02:06:08.789 --> 02:06:12.460
impact to the actual traffic conditions because of the fact

02:06:12.460 --> 02:06:16.050
that all the widening and road improvements will have taken

02:06:16.050 --> 02:06:16.460
place.

02:06:16.460 --> 02:06:20.939
Okay, and lastly, in your backup material concerning post

02:06:20.939 --> 02:06:24.260
oak, it's going to come on the west side between this

02:06:24.260 --> 02:06:26.460
development and the Ashley Park Trader Park.

02:06:26.460 --> 02:06:30.039
You say the four lane intersection of post oak and McKinney

02:06:30.039 --> 02:06:33.460
with a transition to two lanes will be constructed.

02:06:33.460 --> 02:06:36.470
So is it going from four lanes on the south side of McKin

02:06:36.470 --> 02:06:38.460
ney to two lanes at that point?

02:06:38.460 --> 02:06:41.899
That's right and the applicant can probably speak more to

02:06:41.899 --> 02:06:42.460
that.

02:06:42.460 --> 02:06:44.489
Okay, okay, because it was my understanding post oak was

02:06:44.489 --> 02:06:45.460
going to be four lanes.

02:06:45.460 --> 02:06:46.460
Yes, it is.

02:06:46.460 --> 02:06:47.460
Okay, all right.

02:06:47.460 --> 02:06:48.460
I don't want to wait for that.

02:06:48.460 --> 02:06:52.460
It is, but up to their property. They'll build their half.

02:06:52.460 --> 02:06:55.460
Okay, okay, gotcha. Thanks.

02:06:55.460 --> 02:06:56.460
Commissioner Smith.

02:06:56.460 --> 02:06:57.460
Thank you, Chair.

02:06:57.460 --> 02:07:00.460
So if I could just do some quick math with you here.

02:07:00.460 --> 02:07:01.460
Can you go back a couple slides?

02:07:01.460 --> 02:07:05.460
There was, we were talking about open space and the ESA.

02:07:05.460 --> 02:07:09.640
So 126 gross acres, 118 is being proposed for zoning, but

02:07:09.640 --> 02:07:11.460
we'll just take the gross acres.

02:07:11.460 --> 02:07:15.960
We take out the ESA and the open space acres that leaves us

02:07:15.960 --> 02:07:18.460
with 92.1 acres left.

02:07:18.460 --> 02:07:23.039
And so that's 92.1 acres that's being considered for the SU

02:07:23.039 --> 02:07:23.460
P.

02:07:23.460 --> 02:07:24.460
Yes.

02:07:24.460 --> 02:07:26.640
If hypothetically that was to be fully developed and we

02:07:26.640 --> 02:07:29.460
were actually to look at it and break it down to an actual,

02:07:29.460 --> 02:07:31.460
how many units per acre of that 92?

02:07:31.460 --> 02:07:34.149
Now I understand that in the actual calculations we include

02:07:34.149 --> 02:07:37.409
ESAs, but for the sake of this conversation and looking at

02:07:37.409 --> 02:07:40.460
just the facade and the feel of the actual development,

02:07:40.460 --> 02:07:42.460
they're only going to be able to develop on 92.1 acres.

02:07:42.460 --> 02:07:43.460
That's correct.

02:07:43.460 --> 02:07:47.930
So with that, if there's 497 of these units, six of them

02:07:47.930 --> 02:07:50.819
being single family being removed from the 503, so sort of

02:07:50.819 --> 02:07:54.460
the 497, that puts us at 5.4 units per acre.

02:07:54.460 --> 02:08:00.739
So it's closer to a feel of an NR6 designation, which is

02:08:00.739 --> 02:08:02.529
what they're looking for, than it is whatever we're

02:08:02.529 --> 02:08:03.460
requesting in staff.

02:08:03.460 --> 02:08:06.460
Staff's recommendations are for a four unit.

02:08:06.460 --> 02:08:09.210
I know we can't limit that because by the standards of

02:08:09.210 --> 02:08:11.460
including the ESA, it's still at the four unit limit.

02:08:11.460 --> 02:08:14.449
But the feel and the look is going to look closer to a six

02:08:14.449 --> 02:08:15.460
unit per acre.

02:08:15.460 --> 02:08:19.409
Well, it depends exactly because of the fact that this is

02:08:19.409 --> 02:08:22.460
what we call like cluster development.

02:08:22.460 --> 02:08:24.460
Yeah, cluster development. That's what the ESAs are.

02:08:24.460 --> 02:08:28.720
Exactly. They're clustering the homes to preserve the ESA,

02:08:28.720 --> 02:08:30.460
to give more open space.

02:08:30.460 --> 02:08:33.460
There is a gas line that goes right through here.

02:08:33.460 --> 02:08:35.460
So they have to avoid that as well.

02:08:35.460 --> 02:08:39.399
I completely get it. I think it's just more or less making

02:08:39.399 --> 02:08:43.460
it known that while yes, limiting it to four units per acre

02:08:43.460 --> 02:08:46.090
, and we may sit here and say, well, we're actually putting

02:08:46.090 --> 02:08:47.460
a limit on there to put a four units per acre.

02:08:47.460 --> 02:08:49.699
The facade and the actual putting boots on the ground and

02:08:49.699 --> 02:08:52.020
standing in the middle of that neighborhood is not going to

02:08:52.020 --> 02:08:53.460
look like four units per acre.

02:08:53.460 --> 02:08:56.890
It wouldn't, if you're right, in the middle of the subdiv

02:08:56.890 --> 02:08:57.460
ision.

02:08:57.460 --> 02:09:05.460
However, the city's definition of density is gross density.

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It's net density.

02:09:05.460 --> 02:09:07.460
I completely agree with you. I get the calculation.

02:09:07.460 --> 02:09:09.739
We've had this conversation before where we've had other

02:09:09.739 --> 02:09:12.520
people who've done the cluster and say, okay, we do realize

02:09:12.520 --> 02:09:15.460
that what we're voting on is not a four unit per acre.

02:09:15.460 --> 02:09:17.289
We're actually voting on something that's going to look

02:09:17.289 --> 02:09:18.460
like 5.4 units per acre.

02:09:18.460 --> 02:09:21.460
But that's the ability to do cluster developments.

02:09:21.460 --> 02:09:24.460
It's completely legal and understood.

02:09:24.460 --> 02:09:27.460
I'm not going to forget that.

02:09:27.460 --> 02:09:31.590
Exactly. He could spread it out and do an alternate ESA

02:09:31.590 --> 02:09:34.460
request and not preserve all of that.

02:09:34.460 --> 02:09:35.460
Oh, yeah, of course. Totally good.

02:09:35.460 --> 02:09:36.460
Yeah.

02:09:36.460 --> 02:09:37.460
Understood. Thank you.

02:09:37.460 --> 02:09:40.460
Commissioner Sanchez.

02:09:40.460 --> 02:09:43.510
When we're talking about modular homes, those are pretty

02:09:43.510 --> 02:09:46.979
much built with the same standards as anybody, any house

02:09:46.979 --> 02:09:48.460
built in Denton, right?

02:09:48.460 --> 02:09:49.460
Yes, they are.

02:09:49.460 --> 02:09:52.310
Can you put in, say, if somebody wanted, can they put a

02:09:52.310 --> 02:09:54.460
modular home inside the city limits?

02:09:54.460 --> 02:09:55.460
They can, right? Yes.

02:09:55.460 --> 02:09:58.460
Okay. So it's allowed by right. It's allowed by right.

02:09:58.460 --> 02:10:01.460
Okay. I just want to make sure. Yes.

02:10:01.460 --> 02:10:02.460
Okay.

02:10:02.460 --> 02:10:03.460
Commissioner Fernetta.

02:10:03.460 --> 02:10:06.859
So I just wanted to verify a lot of the objections that I'm

02:10:06.859 --> 02:10:09.710
seeing that came through were based on the idea that these

02:10:09.710 --> 02:10:10.460
are mobile homes.

02:10:10.460 --> 02:10:12.390
These are actually not mobile homes, correct? They are

02:10:12.390 --> 02:10:13.460
fixed.

02:10:13.460 --> 02:10:16.460
Modular homes. They're manufactured in modular homes.

02:10:16.460 --> 02:10:21.630
Okay. And kind of, I guess, along the lines of what

02:10:21.630 --> 02:10:23.460
Commissioner Smith brought up.

02:10:23.460 --> 02:10:28.100
So rather than it being about, you know, four units per

02:10:28.100 --> 02:10:31.460
acre, it's closer to five and a half.

02:10:31.460 --> 02:10:37.460
What are the yard, are there yards with these things or?

02:10:37.460 --> 02:10:40.850
With a stamp, it follows the requirements for our

02:10:40.850 --> 02:10:45.079
manufactured housing development and the yard requirements

02:10:45.079 --> 02:10:46.460
would be in that.

02:10:46.460 --> 02:10:49.550
I just don't have my code with me right now, but there are

02:10:49.550 --> 02:10:54.630
requirements as far as the minimum and maximum sizes and

02:10:54.630 --> 02:10:56.460
side yards and things like that.

02:10:56.460 --> 02:10:57.460
Okay.

02:10:57.460 --> 02:10:59.810
I'm sorry, I don't have my code. I brought the wrong code

02:10:59.810 --> 02:11:00.460
with me.

02:11:00.460 --> 02:11:02.460
Okay. Well, thank you very much.

02:11:02.460 --> 02:11:07.460
I think we can get clarification up here.

02:11:07.460 --> 02:11:13.460
The there's some basic minimum requirements that are within

02:11:13.460 --> 02:11:18.460
359, subchapter nine, basic minimum requirements area.

02:11:18.460 --> 02:11:21.359
There's no minimum area which develop for manufacturer per

02:11:21.359 --> 02:11:22.460
stand requirements.

02:11:22.460 --> 02:11:28.310
No less than 40 feet in width, no less than 100 feet in

02:11:28.310 --> 02:11:33.239
depth and a minimum area of 5000. So very similar to some

02:11:33.239 --> 02:11:34.460
of our some of our zoning districts.

02:11:34.460 --> 02:11:47.460
And then there are some open minimum front yard of 15 feet.

02:11:47.460 --> 02:11:54.460
And then, you know, two off two off street parking.

02:11:54.460 --> 02:11:56.460
Thank you.

02:11:56.460 --> 02:12:00.140
Mr. Back. This is for Richard more. What was that 15 foot

02:12:00.140 --> 02:12:02.710
was that a setback. And if so, was that front side front

02:12:02.710 --> 02:12:04.460
yard front yard setback. Okay.

02:12:04.460 --> 02:12:12.460
Correct. Yeah, front yard setback shopping 15 feet.

02:12:12.460 --> 02:12:18.079
And then the minimum distance between the homes are 20 feet

02:12:18.079 --> 02:12:18.460
.

02:12:18.460 --> 02:12:24.460
So essentially defaults to a 10 foot side.

02:12:24.460 --> 02:12:28.720
I do not see any more questions for Cindy. Thank you very

02:12:28.720 --> 02:12:29.460
much.

02:12:29.460 --> 02:12:32.210
This is a public hearing. We have several cards of

02:12:32.210 --> 02:12:34.390
individuals wishing to speak and several cards of

02:12:34.390 --> 02:12:36.460
individuals wishing not to speak.

02:12:36.460 --> 02:12:42.560
But first for presentation would be the applicant. I have

02:12:42.560 --> 02:12:45.460
four cards here. Is there four of you or just two. Okay.

02:12:45.460 --> 02:12:51.460
So you're welcome to do you have a presentation.

02:12:51.460 --> 02:12:54.220
Yes, if you just say your name and address for the record

02:12:54.220 --> 02:12:57.539
and then just so you know, you'll have a total of 20

02:12:57.539 --> 02:12:58.460
minutes.

02:12:58.460 --> 02:13:10.739
20 y'all has up to 10. We'll go faster than that. I'm

02:13:10.739 --> 02:13:11.300
Michael Halligan of the woodlands on Spring Creek and champ

02:13:11.300 --> 02:13:12.069
enterprises 14114 Dallas North Parkway Suite 265 Dallas

02:13:12.069 --> 02:13:13.460
Texas 75254.

02:13:13.460 --> 02:13:16.800
For you commissioners that have never worked in

02:13:16.800 --> 02:13:18.460
manufactured housing.

02:13:18.460 --> 02:13:25.590
I'm sorry for the small turnout. I apologize. Normally it's

02:13:25.590 --> 02:13:29.460
much, much greater than this. I blame it on the rain.

02:13:29.460 --> 02:13:37.079
Okay. We've we do all types of housing throughout Texas and

02:13:37.079 --> 02:13:38.460
Tennessee.

02:13:38.460 --> 02:13:42.789
We were the developers originally of the villages of Carmel

02:13:42.789 --> 02:13:47.090
and we also did force Meadows on single family developments

02:13:47.090 --> 02:13:49.460
with a lot of VSA is included.

02:13:49.460 --> 02:13:53.420
We are about to start breaking ground if it ever quits

02:13:53.420 --> 02:13:58.010
raining on the villas of Carmel or doing 400 town homes

02:13:58.010 --> 02:13:58.460
plus.

02:13:58.460 --> 02:14:02.920
And next month we come in for a senior housing deal next to

02:14:02.920 --> 02:14:08.460
Buckees for 200 units. So we do a lot of different things.

02:14:08.460 --> 02:14:10.460
And one of the things we do is manufactured housing.

02:14:10.460 --> 02:14:13.539
Tell the difference between manufactured modular versus a

02:14:13.539 --> 02:14:15.880
site built home for 11 years. I was the host of the

02:14:15.880 --> 02:14:19.460
television series. Your new house on the Discovery Channel.

02:14:19.460 --> 02:14:22.420
I did home buying seminars around the country and I tell

02:14:22.420 --> 02:14:25.310
people the way you can tell the difference when you're

02:14:25.310 --> 02:14:28.609
inside is lean against the longest wall in the house. And

02:14:28.609 --> 02:14:30.920
if the house if the walls wavy, it was built on site. If it

02:14:30.920 --> 02:14:32.460
's straight, it was built in a factory.

02:14:32.460 --> 02:14:35.760
And that's really the difference between manufactured and

02:14:35.760 --> 02:14:40.460
modular. I was looking for a location for this property.

02:14:40.460 --> 02:14:44.210
The reason we picked this one, as you can tell, the things

02:14:44.210 --> 02:14:48.079
in Brown around us are either manufactured communities or

02:14:48.079 --> 02:14:50.899
mobile home parks. And across the street is the utmost

02:14:50.899 --> 02:14:51.460
storage.

02:14:51.460 --> 02:14:54.310
So it seemed kind of like a place where there would not be

02:14:54.310 --> 02:14:57.500
a lot of problems. It was in the ETJ. We were buying it at

02:14:57.500 --> 02:15:00.619
the last minute came up with a development agreement that

02:15:00.619 --> 02:15:02.460
had been signed with the city.

02:15:02.460 --> 02:15:07.359
So we had to annex it in and bring it into the city. We've

02:15:07.359 --> 02:15:11.460
been working on this for the past two years.

02:15:11.460 --> 02:15:14.609
Main thing we wanted you to see when you drove up to this

02:15:14.609 --> 02:15:18.149
community is not the homes. What we wanted you to see is

02:15:18.149 --> 02:15:20.680
walls and trees. That's why it's called the woodlands. That

02:15:20.680 --> 02:15:24.460
's why we're preserving the ESA's. We like trees.

02:15:24.460 --> 02:15:28.090
We're saying let's build a three-foot berm in the front of

02:15:28.090 --> 02:15:31.760
the property. Then let's put a masonry wall on top of that

02:15:31.760 --> 02:15:34.460
berm. And then let's put tree arbors above that wall.

02:15:34.460 --> 02:15:40.239
So what you see from the road is a masonry fence with trees

02:15:40.239 --> 02:15:43.850
and a lot of grass. The whole community is gated and

02:15:43.850 --> 02:15:45.460
actually has security at the gate.

02:15:45.460 --> 02:15:48.310
If you could see through the gate, what do you see? For the

02:15:48.310 --> 02:15:51.119
first hundred plus feet, all you see are trees. No homes

02:15:51.119 --> 02:15:53.760
anywhere around any of the entryways on any of the roads

02:15:53.760 --> 02:15:55.460
going into this community.

02:15:55.460 --> 02:16:00.489
When you get into the community, there's different ways to

02:16:00.489 --> 02:16:04.920
mount a manufactured home or modular home. We want pre-

02:16:04.920 --> 02:16:07.039
engineered foundations just like you would on a site-built

02:16:07.039 --> 02:16:07.460
home.

02:16:07.460 --> 02:16:12.409
We want masonry on what people call the skirting, this area

02:16:12.409 --> 02:16:16.119
below the home down to the ground. So you put up concrete

02:16:16.119 --> 02:16:17.460
block. You put brick on front of that.

02:16:17.460 --> 02:16:20.630
The homes themselves, the frames are welded down to that

02:16:20.630 --> 02:16:24.970
pre-engineered foundation. Can they be moved? Yes, you can

02:16:24.970 --> 02:16:27.140
go in there with the torch and you cut them off and move

02:16:27.140 --> 02:16:27.460
them.

02:16:27.460 --> 02:16:31.399
But most of the time, I think 92% of all the homes that are

02:16:31.399 --> 02:16:34.459
placed somewhere, they never move again.

02:16:34.459 --> 02:16:38.940
So a different look. Also, like our town home communities,

02:16:38.940 --> 02:16:43.229
we take care of all the exterior. So the homeowner doesn't

02:16:43.229 --> 02:16:46.079
cut the grass. They don't have to worry about the flower

02:16:46.079 --> 02:16:46.459
beds.

02:16:46.459 --> 02:16:49.819
If they have a deck or a porch, we take care of the st

02:16:49.819 --> 02:16:54.670
aining and painting. So the whole community has a uniform

02:16:54.670 --> 02:16:55.459
look.

02:16:55.459 --> 02:16:59.139
At this point, I'm going to turn it over to our engineer,

02:16:59.139 --> 02:17:01.459
Brent Murphy from Kimley-Horn.

02:17:01.459 --> 02:17:05.399
Good evening. My name is Brent Murphy with Kimley-Horn, 57

02:17:05.399 --> 02:17:07.459
50 Genesis Court in Frisco.

02:17:07.459 --> 02:17:13.709
First, I'd like to say thank you to staff. We've been

02:17:13.709 --> 02:17:19.989
working with this for over two years and it's been a very

02:17:19.989 --> 02:17:25.459
interesting process and I greatly appreciate it.

02:17:25.459 --> 02:17:29.399
We gave us a lot of input and we spent a lot of time. We

02:17:29.399 --> 02:17:33.440
talked a lot about the land plan. We talked a lot about

02:17:33.440 --> 02:17:34.459
traffic.

02:17:34.459 --> 02:17:37.219
In our neighborhood meetings, we heard a lot of opinions

02:17:37.219 --> 02:17:40.459
and we tried to react. We tried to give it time.

02:17:40.459 --> 02:17:43.239
I've never worked on a project that we spent two years

02:17:43.239 --> 02:17:46.459
zoning the project, but we listened to staff.

02:17:46.459 --> 02:17:49.219
We worked with staff and we listened to the homeowners

02:17:49.219 --> 02:17:51.739
around us to try to appease and address a lot of their

02:17:51.739 --> 02:17:52.459
concerns.

02:17:52.459 --> 02:17:55.819
I just want to say that Cindy's done a great job with us

02:17:55.819 --> 02:17:58.459
and I just can't say thank you enough.

02:17:58.459 --> 02:18:02.049
We're here tonight to present our case, but I can't thank

02:18:02.049 --> 02:18:05.459
her and the staff for all the time they've given us.

02:18:05.459 --> 02:18:10.129
Everybody's busy, but it's taken a lot of time. I just want

02:18:10.129 --> 02:18:13.540
to extend thank you to the staff and let you know how hard

02:18:13.540 --> 02:18:14.459
they work.

02:18:14.459 --> 02:18:19.620
It's almost like they're in the private sector at times. I

02:18:19.620 --> 02:18:24.790
am, so that's what I sign up for and that's some hours, but

02:18:24.790 --> 02:18:26.459
I do appreciate that.

02:18:26.459 --> 02:18:29.459
I want to extend that thank you.

02:18:29.459 --> 02:18:32.430
There's been a lot of discussion about the open space and

02:18:32.430 --> 02:18:34.459
what does the community feel like.

02:18:34.459 --> 02:18:38.200
I want to look at the plan and talk through some of those

02:18:38.200 --> 02:18:42.739
things because when you take 18 acres of ESA, you take 15

02:18:42.739 --> 02:18:46.709
acres of open space, that's about a quarter of the overall

02:18:46.709 --> 02:18:47.459
project.

02:18:47.459 --> 02:18:51.139
I can promise you the client didn't pay for three quarters

02:18:51.139 --> 02:18:54.459
of the property. They paid for the full thing.

02:18:54.459 --> 02:18:57.540
There is a sense, we do a lot of planning across DFW and a

02:18:57.540 --> 02:19:01.059
lot of different types of projects, master plan communities

02:19:01.059 --> 02:19:01.459
.

02:19:01.459 --> 02:19:05.219
I tell you what, when you have one little pocket park under

02:19:05.219 --> 02:19:10.049
your entry, the feel changes. It changes the person's, they

02:19:10.049 --> 02:19:13.459
're proud of where they live.

02:19:13.459 --> 02:19:16.940
It's kind of amazing how just a little bit of green space

02:19:16.940 --> 02:19:22.450
makes people proud. Trees, plant a lot of trees to do that.

02:19:22.450 --> 02:19:23.459
It's not cheap to do that.

02:19:23.459 --> 02:19:28.719
We're trying to pull off this look for the woodlands and

02:19:28.719 --> 02:19:32.069
the vision we want to see. There's a lot of effort to go

02:19:32.069 --> 02:19:32.459
into that.

02:19:32.459 --> 02:19:36.719
If you're in the middle of the western pod, will it feel a

02:19:36.719 --> 02:19:39.459
little more dense? Yes.

02:19:39.459 --> 02:19:44.159
We've broken the project up by identifying these key areas

02:19:44.159 --> 02:19:48.459
and tree lines and ESAs to create some nice open space.

02:19:48.459 --> 02:19:52.760
Kids can get to open spaces, have some passive areas for

02:19:52.760 --> 02:19:56.260
play. Our whole plan is to have trails that get them to

02:19:56.260 --> 02:19:57.459
these locations.

02:19:57.459 --> 02:20:01.739
It's one thing to have green belts. It's another thing to

02:20:01.739 --> 02:20:05.459
actually design to use them and whether they're utilized.

02:20:05.459 --> 02:20:09.579
A lot of times we're doing projects where the open spaces

02:20:09.579 --> 02:20:11.459
are just one big park.

02:20:11.459 --> 02:20:15.930
We're trying to space them out. We're trying to identify

02:20:15.930 --> 02:20:19.459
corners of different blocks to soften it.

02:20:19.459 --> 02:20:22.340
I just want to point those things out. We've talked a lot

02:20:22.340 --> 02:20:24.459
about some of the points of the project.

02:20:24.459 --> 02:20:29.459
We're building a 4,500 square foot of a mini center.

02:20:29.459 --> 02:20:31.459
Sometimes used, sometimes not.

02:20:31.459 --> 02:20:34.739
But that's not common and probably what people have seen in

02:20:34.739 --> 02:20:35.459
the past.

02:20:35.459 --> 02:20:40.190
We're trying to take these things, we're trying to put them

02:20:40.190 --> 02:20:43.459
in a SUP overlay with all these additional restrictions,

02:20:43.459 --> 02:20:46.829
self-imposed deed restrictions to make sure the quality

02:20:46.829 --> 02:20:49.459
stays. Nobody asks us to do that.

02:20:49.459 --> 02:20:53.549
We just work with staff and say we've got to earn people's

02:20:53.549 --> 02:20:55.459
respect on what it is.

02:20:55.459 --> 02:20:59.049
Let's self-impose those things. I'll get into the traffic a

02:20:59.049 --> 02:20:59.459
little bit.

02:20:59.459 --> 02:21:05.600
The traffic signal, those are $350,000. It's not warranted

02:21:05.600 --> 02:21:06.459
in a TA.

02:21:06.459 --> 02:21:12.190
Our traffic study does not justify having that signal at

02:21:12.190 --> 02:21:14.459
Post Oak and McKinney.

02:21:14.459 --> 02:21:19.010
But he volunteered to pay. If the city wants it, we're

02:21:19.010 --> 02:21:20.459
paying for it.

02:21:20.459 --> 02:21:24.489
Those are some things that are unique, not typical in most

02:21:24.489 --> 02:21:25.459
projects.

02:21:25.459 --> 02:21:28.239
The landscape buffers Michael was talking about when you

02:21:28.239 --> 02:21:31.090
come in along McKinney, we're sensitive to what that feels

02:21:31.090 --> 02:21:32.459
like, just like internal.

02:21:32.459 --> 02:21:35.729
When you come along McKinney, it's a three foot berm and an

02:21:35.729 --> 02:21:39.459
eight foot masonry fence, typically at six.

02:21:39.459 --> 02:21:43.459
We want that point of capture so you're proud to come here.

02:21:43.459 --> 02:21:45.459
You want to be here.

02:21:45.459 --> 02:21:49.459
In those HOA meetings, I talked to several ladies who were.

02:21:49.459 --> 02:21:53.459
I've got three kids. I'm sensitive to those things.

02:21:53.459 --> 02:21:57.459
Her opinion was this provides another opportunity for her.

02:21:57.459 --> 02:22:00.459
She works two or three jobs and has two kids.

02:22:00.459 --> 02:22:03.459
Everybody's got different situations. I understand that.

02:22:03.459 --> 02:22:06.559
But she was proud to have an opportunity to do something

02:22:06.559 --> 02:22:07.459
different.

02:22:07.459 --> 02:22:11.430
Part of our coordination, we've had some coordination with

02:22:11.430 --> 02:22:15.440
the Denton Affordable Housing Corporation, and they sent a

02:22:15.440 --> 02:22:17.459
letter of support for our case.

02:22:17.459 --> 02:22:21.649
I think those were distributed to and so they feel too that

02:22:21.649 --> 02:22:24.459
it provides another opportunity.

02:22:24.459 --> 02:22:27.200
But we're trying to come in with something upgraded and

02:22:27.200 --> 02:22:28.459
committed and not an empty promise.

02:22:28.459 --> 02:22:32.629
We have to do these things. They're in the requirements. We

02:22:32.629 --> 02:22:34.459
can't walk from those.

02:22:34.459 --> 02:22:39.459
To me, that's a big separator from the people we work with.

02:22:39.459 --> 02:22:42.219
If they make empty promises, that's one thing. But when

02:22:42.219 --> 02:22:46.459
they're committing to these, they're bound to those.

02:22:46.459 --> 02:22:49.590
So I won't labor the points. Everybody knows we started a

02:22:49.590 --> 02:22:51.459
long time ago to get this project underway.

02:22:51.459 --> 02:22:56.020
Ten-plus meetings with staff, traffic studies over the last

02:22:56.020 --> 02:22:58.459
year and a half. I think we've done three iterations.

02:22:58.459 --> 02:23:01.219
We've done counts at different times. We've done counts

02:23:01.219 --> 02:23:04.459
when the schools are in session to make sure we understand.

02:23:04.459 --> 02:23:07.620
Because when schools, the traffic acts different during the

02:23:07.620 --> 02:23:08.459
school year.

02:23:08.459 --> 02:23:12.030
So we've looked at those things to see how those impact the

02:23:12.030 --> 02:23:12.459
study.

02:23:12.459 --> 02:23:16.459
And at one time we had over 100, we had 100 more stands.

02:23:16.459 --> 02:23:19.510
Staff recommended we take those out. We do the one acre

02:23:19.510 --> 02:23:22.459
lots and we focus traffic away from Trinity.

02:23:22.459 --> 02:23:25.829
There's some residents to our north that were adamant about

02:23:25.829 --> 02:23:27.459
that to offload Trinity.

02:23:27.459 --> 02:23:32.209
We heard, we heard there's a, we heard their concerns and

02:23:32.209 --> 02:23:33.459
we reacted.

02:23:33.459 --> 02:23:37.579
And again, we had another meeting just the other night and

02:23:37.579 --> 02:23:40.459
discussed some of the same concerns.

02:23:40.459 --> 02:23:44.459
So just, Cindy's kind of covered a lot of our intersection,

02:23:44.459 --> 02:23:46.459
what our TA requires us to do.

02:23:46.459 --> 02:23:49.219
We're spending a lot of money to improve roads and that's

02:23:49.219 --> 02:23:52.459
what we should do if we, that's what's required.

02:23:52.459 --> 02:23:54.479
So that's what we're doing. I think a key point I want to

02:23:54.479 --> 02:23:59.389
make in this time scale is that by the time we can finish

02:23:59.389 --> 02:24:00.459
entitlement,

02:24:00.459 --> 02:24:04.889
do final plat, do construction plans, get them approved and

02:24:04.889 --> 02:24:09.479
do the construction of the first phase, we're 18 months out

02:24:09.479 --> 02:24:10.459
from now.

02:24:10.459 --> 02:24:13.879
So really from December because it would take that to get

02:24:13.879 --> 02:24:18.459
through council if we're successful. So for zoning.

02:24:18.459 --> 02:24:22.139
So we're looking at August 2020. By that point we've worked

02:24:22.139 --> 02:24:24.219
with staff and understanding what's happened on McKinney

02:24:24.219 --> 02:24:24.459
Street.

02:24:24.459 --> 02:24:28.020
Now McKinney's a two lane road today. Everybody, you know,

02:24:28.020 --> 02:24:31.459
fills that traffic today on this existing two lane road.

02:24:31.459 --> 02:24:34.219
It's going to be improved to a four lane divided road by

02:24:34.219 --> 02:24:37.059
the time our first phase is ready to sell its, to have its

02:24:37.059 --> 02:24:38.459
first leasable unit.

02:24:38.459 --> 02:24:43.729
So not only is McKinney four lane divided, done at that

02:24:43.729 --> 02:24:47.459
time, but Mayhill will obviously be done by that time.

02:24:47.459 --> 02:24:52.540
So that diverts a lot of traffic back to the west and to

02:24:52.540 --> 02:24:57.930
the north to take loading off of Trinity, but also how it

02:24:57.930 --> 02:25:01.459
functions today, it improves that situation.

02:25:01.459 --> 02:25:04.219
So one point I want to make is there's some concerns on the

02:25:04.219 --> 02:25:08.479
internet and questions about people wanting to take Trinity

02:25:08.479 --> 02:25:11.459
to go to 380 as a question.

02:25:11.459 --> 02:25:14.799
So as you come out of the center to subdivision where you

02:25:14.799 --> 02:25:18.459
see that first star, if you were to take, take McKinney,

02:25:18.459 --> 02:25:24.079
head west and go up Mayhill, that's about 2.65 miles to get

02:25:24.079 --> 02:25:25.459
to 380.

02:25:25.459 --> 02:25:30.680
If you wanted to go down Trinity, it's about 3.3 miles to

02:25:30.680 --> 02:25:36.100
get to 380. So people typically take the path of least

02:25:36.100 --> 02:25:37.459
resistance.

02:25:37.459 --> 02:25:40.469
When our project first phase is done, again, four lanes of

02:25:40.469 --> 02:25:43.469
McKinney, four lanes of Mayhill, that's the path of least

02:25:43.469 --> 02:25:44.459
resistance.

02:25:44.459 --> 02:25:48.399
It's got the, it's going to, it's functioning, it's got

02:25:48.399 --> 02:25:52.079
higher speed limits as well. That's to me, in our opinion,

02:25:52.079 --> 02:25:53.459
that's where people go.

02:25:53.459 --> 02:25:59.709
They don't go down Trinity and on a slower speeds. And I

02:25:59.709 --> 02:26:02.129
know there's people who say they don't drive the speed

02:26:02.129 --> 02:26:04.459
limits and I'm sure there are some that don't.

02:26:04.459 --> 02:26:07.729
But the time you go down that two lane road and you cross,

02:26:07.729 --> 02:26:11.149
it's, it's a, it's a much longer distance and a longer time

02:26:11.149 --> 02:26:14.459
. I think time is probably the key.

02:26:14.459 --> 02:26:17.750
So I just want to point that out that we're, you know, we

02:26:17.750 --> 02:26:21.389
're really our traffic studies and all of our city staff,

02:26:21.389 --> 02:26:22.459
their review.

02:26:22.459 --> 02:26:26.899
We feel like, you know, McKinney, Mayhill's improvements is

02:26:26.899 --> 02:26:30.770
a big part, part of this and it's going to divert traffic

02:26:30.770 --> 02:26:32.459
away from Trinity.

02:26:32.459 --> 02:26:38.459
So I'll try to close out here.

02:26:38.459 --> 02:26:42.510
So 21 months at this process we appreciate all cities work

02:26:42.510 --> 02:26:46.260
we're heavily committed to the road improvements for the

02:26:46.260 --> 02:26:50.219
project and over committing, you know, giving additional

02:26:50.219 --> 02:26:53.860
things to the, to the city, as far as traffic lights and

02:26:53.860 --> 02:26:57.459
things that are normally done over 33 acres of green belts

02:26:57.459 --> 02:26:57.459
densities

02:26:57.459 --> 02:27:02.459
four units per acre.

02:27:02.459 --> 02:27:04.719
One thing is that the trail that we're extending to the

02:27:04.719 --> 02:27:07.200
high school I think that's been appointed contention for a

02:27:07.200 --> 02:27:09.469
while, and we're proposing to do that that leaves our

02:27:09.469 --> 02:27:12.000
property, we're obligating ourselves to extend it off our

02:27:12.000 --> 02:27:13.459
property, but we don't.

02:27:13.459 --> 02:27:16.209
We don't want to provide that connection, we're close

02:27:16.209 --> 02:27:18.620
enough to the high school, some kids may walk, so we want

02:27:18.620 --> 02:27:21.459
to provide that connection that's not fully there today.

02:27:21.459 --> 02:27:25.260
One or last, the list station improvements. I had some

02:27:25.260 --> 02:27:29.079
citizens of concern that live near it that said there were

02:27:29.079 --> 02:27:32.860
some areas that were surcharging the cities indicated us

02:27:32.860 --> 02:27:35.459
that we've got to fix those things.

02:27:35.459 --> 02:27:41.389
The citizens said it's been 30 years since that list

02:27:41.389 --> 02:27:47.709
station has had some improvement it needs some improvement

02:27:47.709 --> 02:27:52.459
today with our project will be set to do it. You know that

02:27:52.459 --> 02:27:52.459
's something we have to do for our project, and it hasn't

02:27:52.459 --> 02:27:52.459
had the attention to date to get fixed but we will fix that

02:27:52.459 --> 02:27:52.459
.

02:27:52.459 --> 02:27:56.399
We appreciate all staffs and help in. We appreciate their

02:27:56.399 --> 02:28:00.309
recommendation for approval. So I'd be happy to answer any

02:28:00.309 --> 02:28:04.129
questions that that we have amongst the commission or from

02:28:04.129 --> 02:28:05.459
citizens to. So thank you.

02:28:05.459 --> 02:28:07.540
We definitely have some questions up here we'll start with

02:28:07.540 --> 02:28:10.459
Commissioner Smith. Thank you, Chair.

02:28:10.459 --> 02:28:15.860
So, primarily my line of questioning, I'm asking you for

02:28:15.860 --> 02:28:20.920
the city staff is trying to confirm and you can probably

02:28:20.920 --> 02:28:23.459
just tell me off the bat.

02:28:23.459 --> 02:28:27.049
Is there an intent to be for sale to be purchased by the

02:28:27.049 --> 02:28:31.079
primary resident only not to be converted into rental

02:28:31.079 --> 02:28:34.620
properties that are bought by an original owner who then

02:28:34.620 --> 02:28:41.459
moves out and then then then rights afterwards, the intent

02:28:41.459 --> 02:28:41.459
is not going to speak to that.

02:28:41.459 --> 02:28:47.709
That's the stand. That's the intent and Michael can speak

02:28:47.709 --> 02:28:53.520
more to that too I mean that's he's into that's fine. Well,

02:28:53.520 --> 02:28:54.000
the other one I'm trying to get down to is, are these be

02:28:54.000 --> 02:28:54.459
renters or these could be owners.

02:28:54.459 --> 02:28:57.250
Now the way he stated is correct we don't. We're not going

02:28:57.250 --> 02:29:00.129
to be selling the homes, they'll buy homes other places

02:29:00.129 --> 02:29:02.950
will will lease them a place to put the hallways to put it

02:29:02.950 --> 02:29:06.459
was the least for the stand going to be rough, rough price

02:29:06.459 --> 02:29:09.459
for similar to our neighbors in the four and 500.

02:29:09.459 --> 02:29:15.709
Then these manufactured homes are going to be somewhere

02:29:15.709 --> 02:29:21.149
around the price of what prices nowadays you see is

02:29:21.149 --> 02:29:29.459
anywhere from 40,000 to low 100s depending on the home.

02:29:29.459 --> 02:29:33.139
What work have you guys done with didn't for housing

02:29:33.139 --> 02:29:37.260
corporation so far when you say that and they have a letter

02:29:37.260 --> 02:29:40.879
of support and so we're working with them. What exactly

02:29:40.879 --> 02:29:42.780
does that mean there wasn't anything really in description

02:29:42.780 --> 02:29:43.459
of what that meant.

02:29:43.459 --> 02:29:46.920
Our team has been at it for a while so we reached out to

02:29:46.920 --> 02:29:50.219
him to show him the project and talk about it in our

02:29:50.219 --> 02:29:54.409
representatives work with Michael had met with them to show

02:29:54.409 --> 02:29:57.799
them the project show them our vision, and they were

02:29:57.799 --> 02:30:01.459
supportive of it so it was consistent

02:30:01.459 --> 02:30:07.459
couple meetings, and they were one to support the project.

02:30:07.459 --> 02:30:10.840
I guess we say support the project that they're just they

02:30:10.840 --> 02:30:14.459
're putting forth their moral support. That's it.

02:30:14.459 --> 02:30:17.110
The main thing they told us was you can't buy a new home

02:30:17.110 --> 02:30:19.690
for less than a quarter of a million dollars and then right

02:30:19.690 --> 02:30:22.440
now so they were looking for alternative options to where

02:30:22.440 --> 02:30:25.459
someone could buy a home and not just rent an apartment.

02:30:25.459 --> 02:30:28.219
Yeah, and, but the quarter million dollar home they're

02:30:28.219 --> 02:30:31.059
buying is of course one that's completely 100% faceted to

02:30:31.059 --> 02:30:33.850
the earth and can't be moved whereas this technically could

02:30:33.850 --> 02:30:36.409
they're buying the manufactured home they don't own the

02:30:36.409 --> 02:30:37.459
land underneath.

02:30:37.459 --> 02:30:40.010
Well actually you can move any home. I mean if it's built

02:30:40.010 --> 02:30:42.700
on a pre engineered foundation and welded to the foundation

02:30:42.700 --> 02:30:45.260
, or it's just nailed to the foundation like a site built

02:30:45.260 --> 02:30:47.969
home either way you can lift the home and fair enough, I

02:30:47.969 --> 02:30:48.459
would say that the quarter million

02:30:48.459 --> 02:30:51.739
dollar house or the houses that are surrounding this

02:30:51.739 --> 02:30:55.590
neighborhood probably wouldn't be moved as regularly. Maybe

02:30:55.590 --> 02:30:57.469
even as you know if the tenant was to leave, leave a

02:30:57.469 --> 02:30:58.459
facility like yours.

02:30:58.459 --> 02:31:01.840
Wouldn't would they naturally would they usually take that

02:31:01.840 --> 02:31:04.709
home with them or would they, well the home surrounding

02:31:04.709 --> 02:31:06.979
their home surrounding this subdivision, they would

02:31:06.979 --> 02:31:09.459
actually move them like they would any other mobile home or

02:31:09.459 --> 02:31:10.459
manufactured home.

02:31:10.459 --> 02:31:13.450
If you notice in the brown on the west side of the project,

02:31:13.450 --> 02:31:16.389
the brown on the north side of the project and the brown on

02:31:16.389 --> 02:31:18.989
the southeast side of the project. That's all manufactured

02:31:18.989 --> 02:31:19.459
or, or mobile homes.

02:31:19.459 --> 02:31:22.219
Sure, I'm asking about your project though so in your

02:31:22.219 --> 02:31:24.979
project, and the intent of your project and the way it's

02:31:24.979 --> 02:31:27.850
built because I've been, I'm ignorant of this and so I'd

02:31:27.850 --> 02:31:30.870
like to know the intent of this is different those are

02:31:30.870 --> 02:31:31.459
mobile homes you guys are manufactured

02:31:31.459 --> 02:31:35.049
homes within manufactured modular homes. The intent is that

02:31:35.049 --> 02:31:37.979
if a person was to buy the home you they lease the land

02:31:37.979 --> 02:31:41.459
from you they buy the home, it's placed there on that lot.

02:31:41.459 --> 02:31:44.680
They then leave five years later they're able to go forward

02:31:44.680 --> 02:31:47.459
quarter million dollar home somewhere else.

02:31:47.459 --> 02:31:50.219
They would then sell the home to somebody else. Their

02:31:50.219 --> 02:31:52.729
intent is to maybe they find a plot of land out in the

02:31:52.729 --> 02:31:55.540
middle of nowhere and they buy some acreage and they move

02:31:55.540 --> 02:31:58.459
that out there is I mean, are you guys seeing the thinking

02:31:58.459 --> 02:31:59.459
that these types of developments

02:31:59.459 --> 02:32:02.420
would have a lot of removing of the homes or that the homes

02:32:02.420 --> 02:32:05.389
once they're bought and they're placed on that land that

02:32:05.389 --> 02:32:06.459
they're there.

02:32:06.459 --> 02:32:08.459
All of the above.

02:32:08.459 --> 02:32:11.889
Like I said earlier about 92% of manufactured homes don't

02:32:11.889 --> 02:32:15.389
move once or place somewhere, they stay. They do have the

02:32:15.389 --> 02:32:17.860
option they could move it to some land. They do have the

02:32:17.860 --> 02:32:19.110
option they could just sell the home where it is and that's

02:32:19.110 --> 02:32:20.459
what occurs on most cases they just sell it

02:32:20.459 --> 02:32:28.379
where it is. Correct. And also to clarify, Ashley Oaks and

02:32:28.379 --> 02:32:31.399
Denton Falls. We're not saying that's a mobile home product

02:32:31.399 --> 02:32:32.459
. There's manufactured homes in there as well.

02:32:32.459 --> 02:32:35.149
They have both. But they're different than the development

02:32:35.149 --> 02:32:37.719
you guys are doing. They're definitely very different. Ours

02:32:37.719 --> 02:32:40.670
I see us managing it and it looking more like one of our

02:32:40.670 --> 02:32:43.459
town home developments than I do our neighbors.

02:32:43.459 --> 02:32:46.510
Understood. Okay. Okay. So you're still but you're still

02:32:46.510 --> 02:32:49.110
looking at even with the you know they're leasing it from

02:32:49.110 --> 02:32:51.950
you for $500 a month and then just on a basic mortgage am

02:32:51.950 --> 02:32:56.399
ortization of a setting $5,000 home with $2,000 down payment

02:32:56.399 --> 02:33:00.180
you're looking at $700 a month they're going to be paying

02:33:00.180 --> 02:33:02.459
already for their home that they purchased from the

02:33:02.459 --> 02:33:05.209
manufacturer and then other four to $500 to you for the le

02:33:05.209 --> 02:33:05.459
asing of.

02:33:05.459 --> 02:33:07.719
Yeah, I think that's similar to what they would be if they

02:33:07.719 --> 02:33:10.909
're renting an apartment so anywhere from $1,200 to $1,400

02:33:10.909 --> 02:33:14.459
to $1,500 somewhere in that range per month. Awesome. Great

02:33:14.459 --> 02:33:14.459
.

02:33:14.459 --> 02:33:17.420
So do you have a question or two for you. I asked staff a

02:33:17.420 --> 02:33:21.459
question and follow up to the applicants presentation.

02:33:21.459 --> 02:33:26.459
Sorry commissioners.

02:33:26.459 --> 02:33:29.940
Whenever they're talking about McKinney, whenever the

02:33:29.940 --> 02:33:33.500
expansion of the developers sand at the expansion of McKin

02:33:33.500 --> 02:33:37.030
ney to four lane road there. The wording in our backup was a

02:33:37.030 --> 02:33:40.170
little bit interesting just didn't catch it in work session

02:33:40.170 --> 02:33:40.459
.

02:33:40.459 --> 02:33:43.219
But it states that the four lane intersection the post of

02:33:43.219 --> 02:33:45.489
McKinney, with a transition to two lanes will be

02:33:45.489 --> 02:33:48.090
constructed. Well it says will be constructed twice that's

02:33:48.090 --> 02:33:50.020
type of it will be constructed with this project at the

02:33:50.020 --> 02:33:53.440
time McKinney street improvement so there will be four

02:33:53.440 --> 02:33:55.459
lanes in front of the development, and it will go

02:33:55.459 --> 02:33:59.909
essentially go from Mayhill all the way out to Camp Copa so

02:33:59.909 --> 02:34:04.049
be it to lane for lane to lane. That's the way I'm reading

02:34:04.049 --> 02:34:05.459
it but you tell me if I'm looking at it.

02:34:05.459 --> 02:34:10.459
That will be transitioned to two lanes.

02:34:10.459 --> 02:34:14.459
Then McKinney will be four lane all the way to mail. Yes.

02:34:14.459 --> 02:34:18.299
Okay. Awesome. That's the big thing I want to know there.

02:34:18.299 --> 02:34:21.409
Now, if the construction of McKinney itself will be done by

02:34:21.409 --> 02:34:22.459
the city of them.

02:34:22.459 --> 02:34:27.389
That's correct. Okay. Is there any restrictions we can put

02:34:27.389 --> 02:34:30.260
on the any point later on after the rezoning and SCP if

02:34:30.260 --> 02:34:33.620
that was the past. So any restrictions we can put further

02:34:33.620 --> 02:34:36.790
down the line as a planning and zoning commission to make

02:34:36.790 --> 02:34:40.459
sure that phase one is not occupied until for sure,

02:34:40.459 --> 02:34:46.459
McKinney is completed because we all know that the city.

02:34:46.459 --> 02:34:53.459
Yeah, there's delays, it rains stuff happens. You know, so

02:34:53.459 --> 02:34:53.459
roads don't get done for a year or so.

02:34:53.459 --> 02:34:57.579
Well, you could stay you could add a condition stating that

02:34:57.579 --> 02:35:01.440
the timing of the release of phase one would should coinc

02:35:01.440 --> 02:35:05.459
ide with the completion of the construction of McKinney.

02:35:05.459 --> 02:35:08.280
Yeah, I would just really hate to say well the developer

02:35:08.280 --> 02:35:11.159
got done, you know, the developer did their job and they

02:35:11.159 --> 02:35:13.459
did a great job and built it and it got done.

02:35:13.459 --> 02:35:17.030
For whatever reason the city of Denton is behind. We'd hate

02:35:17.030 --> 02:35:20.389
to see not only construction happening on McKinney but

02:35:20.389 --> 02:35:24.110
construction with however many units are within one 200

02:35:24.110 --> 02:35:27.469
units I have no clue what phase one was, but those all the

02:35:27.469 --> 02:35:30.239
open and then now we have 500 new people who are trying to

02:35:30.239 --> 02:35:31.459
drive up and down.

02:35:31.459 --> 02:35:34.219
I'm constructed road. Yeah, okay, you could do that. That

02:35:34.219 --> 02:35:36.459
would be done in the in the SCP that would be done in the

02:35:36.459 --> 02:35:44.459
SCP. Okay, got it.

02:35:44.459 --> 02:35:49.629
Yeah, I really wish the for commissioner back. Thank you,

02:35:49.629 --> 02:35:50.459
Chair.

02:35:50.459 --> 02:35:54.399
Mr Murphy or Mr Holliman or both of you come on back up to

02:35:54.399 --> 02:35:55.459
it please.

02:35:55.459 --> 02:35:59.459
Thank you for your presentation.

02:35:59.459 --> 02:36:03.090
I think you've got to find product considering that you're

02:36:03.090 --> 02:36:06.739
building something in an area where we've got traditional

02:36:06.739 --> 02:36:10.409
single family homes I think you've gone out of your way to

02:36:10.409 --> 02:36:13.750
ease what you've got into that community so I appreciate

02:36:13.750 --> 02:36:14.459
that.

02:36:14.459 --> 02:36:26.059
And I'm glad, Commissioner Smith asked about pricing

02:36:26.059 --> 02:36:33.459
because that was my concern too. One of the big issues we

02:36:33.459 --> 02:36:33.459
have here in this far from enough low income housing we

02:36:33.459 --> 02:36:33.459
needed desperately that contributes to a lot of the

02:36:33.459 --> 02:36:33.459
homeless we have because people don't have places to live

02:36:33.459 --> 02:36:33.459
so I'm for that at least.

02:36:33.459 --> 02:36:36.860
Let me answer this though that's a concern, I'm sure for

02:36:36.860 --> 02:36:40.770
the neighbors about lowering rent lowering property values.

02:36:40.770 --> 02:36:44.700
You built these kind of developments elsewhere right. Yes,

02:36:44.700 --> 02:36:47.090
sir. Okay, what's been your experience with these

02:36:47.090 --> 02:36:50.459
developments and lowering nearby home values.

02:36:50.459 --> 02:36:53.459
Can you address that.

02:36:53.459 --> 02:37:07.459
No, not exactly I, you know, I've never tracked.

02:37:07.459 --> 02:37:14.469
I've never tracked the fact that we have a lot of

02:37:14.469 --> 02:37:23.129
structured and mobile homes around us, and the gas plant

02:37:23.129 --> 02:37:27.459
across the street from us.

02:37:27.459 --> 02:37:32.829
The siding is that already planning. Yeah, nowadays most

02:37:32.829 --> 02:37:37.790
people use cementious siding like a hardy plank. Some do go

02:37:37.790 --> 02:37:39.399
ahead and break the home all the way up you know you on the

02:37:39.399 --> 02:37:41.040
skirting but some choose to have it taken all the way to

02:37:41.040 --> 02:37:41.459
the roof on.

02:37:41.459 --> 02:37:46.879
That's a good option is there is possible now again looking

02:37:46.879 --> 02:37:51.790
at the samples that you showed here look like they're

02:37:51.790 --> 02:37:56.600
elevated to but I understood these were going to be on

02:37:56.600 --> 02:37:58.459
concrete slab.

02:37:58.459 --> 02:38:01.770
So what we want is stairs going down to concrete patio or

02:38:01.770 --> 02:38:05.579
paved stone patio. Okay, very good. That's really I want to

02:38:05.579 --> 02:38:08.940
thank you for recognizing the hard work our city staff

02:38:08.940 --> 02:38:13.459
today, they don't get it that often so appreciate you.

02:38:13.459 --> 02:38:15.459
Thank you.

02:38:15.459 --> 02:38:18.739
Because you're also so fast we have city clarification. I

02:38:18.739 --> 02:38:21.829
just wanted to provide a clarification on that front set

02:38:21.829 --> 02:38:25.250
back I know the code had 15 feet. One of the conditions is

02:38:25.250 --> 02:38:28.459
that it will be set back 20 feet from back a curb.

02:38:28.459 --> 02:38:31.459
First, the head into cars.

02:38:31.459 --> 02:38:35.170
They're in the front, they're not on the side, and that's

02:38:35.170 --> 02:38:35.459
the intent.

02:38:35.459 --> 02:38:40.409
If I may, that does bring up some now. So, the parking will

02:38:40.409 --> 02:38:43.459
be on the street you're not allowing for driveway.

02:38:43.459 --> 02:38:47.459
There's a two car driveway.

02:38:47.459 --> 02:38:50.459
Show us. Thank you, sir.

02:38:50.459 --> 02:38:53.360
So just curious the rent that they're paying you for for

02:38:53.360 --> 02:38:56.409
the foundation. Does that include what you mentioned with

02:38:56.409 --> 02:38:59.100
lawn maintenance and full use of amenities and whatnot or

02:38:59.100 --> 02:39:00.459
is there a separate HLA.

02:39:00.459 --> 02:39:03.459
That's everything total is not a separate HLA. Perfect.

02:39:03.459 --> 02:39:08.709
My other question is the 61 acre lots. What do you envision

02:39:08.709 --> 02:39:13.290
that being because it is odd for six one acre residential

02:39:13.290 --> 02:39:17.399
lots to be adjacent to a property such as this so I'm

02:39:17.399 --> 02:39:20.459
curious as to your vision for those.

02:39:20.459 --> 02:39:23.459
When we had several meetings with staff.

02:39:23.459 --> 02:39:27.840
They were thinking of different ways to soften Trinity, you

02:39:27.840 --> 02:39:31.860
know we had offered to do the same wall that we're doing on

02:39:31.860 --> 02:39:34.799
McKinney Street. And I can't remember exactly who was a

02:39:34.799 --> 02:39:37.090
staff but they came up with the idea of doing something

02:39:37.090 --> 02:39:38.459
similar to the homes across the street,

02:39:38.459 --> 02:39:42.659
which were larger lots. So we agreed that we would put in

02:39:42.659 --> 02:39:46.629
six one acre lots and either build single family homes on

02:39:46.629 --> 02:39:50.440
them or sell them to someone who wanted to build single

02:39:50.440 --> 02:39:51.459
family homes.

02:39:51.459 --> 02:39:55.459
Mr. Sanchez.

02:39:55.459 --> 02:39:58.260
Maybe I misunderstood when I was reading this whole thing

02:39:58.260 --> 02:40:00.459
but he talked about affordable housing.

02:40:00.459 --> 02:40:04.079
So I was under the impression that they were going to buy a

02:40:04.079 --> 02:40:07.649
lot and mobile home from you all. But now it's, it's almost

02:40:07.649 --> 02:40:10.329
like living in a park they're going to buy, they either buy

02:40:10.329 --> 02:40:12.559
the mobile home from you all, is that going to be a

02:40:12.559 --> 02:40:15.459
mandatory that they buy the mobile or or the

02:40:15.459 --> 02:40:18.360
mobile home from you all they can bring one themselves in

02:40:18.360 --> 02:40:21.850
place in your property, they can bring it themselves. Yeah,

02:40:21.850 --> 02:40:25.000
we're leasing the stand for the home and taking care of the

02:40:25.000 --> 02:40:27.459
exterior, but they own the home itself.

02:40:27.459 --> 02:40:31.569
So what they're going to be paying they'll be paying fires,

02:40:31.569 --> 02:40:36.040
say for $500 just for for parking the modular home there,

02:40:36.040 --> 02:40:40.010
and then whatever they pay for the mobile home they might I

02:40:40.010 --> 02:40:44.139
mean for the modular home they may have payments of nine $1

02:40:44.139 --> 02:40:46.459
,000 so we're looking at 15, maybe $1,500.

02:40:46.459 --> 02:40:49.219
Right, depending on the home they are depending on the

02:40:49.219 --> 02:40:53.610
house. Yeah, most of them probably around that because that

02:40:53.610 --> 02:40:55.610
cheap either so we're looking at when we're talking about

02:40:55.610 --> 02:40:56.459
affordable housing.

02:40:56.459 --> 02:41:02.389
We're looking at possibly 12 to $1,500 a month, I'd say

02:41:02.389 --> 02:41:05.379
anywhere from about 900 to 1500 a month depending on the

02:41:05.379 --> 02:41:07.459
home they selected that they wanted there.

02:41:07.459 --> 02:41:09.459
So similar to apartments.

02:41:09.459 --> 02:41:13.139
As far as price total price for the month. Okay, because

02:41:13.139 --> 02:41:16.459
apartments are pretty expensive now they're about $1,200.

02:41:16.459 --> 02:41:16.459
Yes, I mean.

02:41:16.459 --> 02:41:18.459
Okay. Thank you.

02:41:18.459 --> 02:41:22.719
Commissioner pernetta. Yes, for the, for the six houses on

02:41:22.719 --> 02:41:26.639
the on the acres, are those going to be manufactured homes

02:41:26.639 --> 02:41:30.510
as well as side built homes somewhere to what's across the

02:41:30.510 --> 02:41:31.459
street.

02:41:31.459 --> 02:41:35.459
Thank you.

02:41:35.459 --> 02:41:39.020
I appreciate you being here for questions, the commission

02:41:39.020 --> 02:41:46.459
has no more, but I wouldn't go too far. Okay, thank you.

02:41:46.459 --> 02:41:50.200
This is a public hearing. If you wish to speak if you could

02:41:50.200 --> 02:41:53.159
please fill out one of these blue cards that are at the

02:41:53.159 --> 02:41:55.459
door, would be happy to talk to you.

02:41:55.459 --> 02:42:04.459
I do have several cards so we'll just get right to this.

02:42:04.459 --> 02:42:08.979
The first card I have is Jason, and forgive me if I messed

02:42:08.979 --> 02:42:13.690
up any names tonight, it is it is not personal believe me,

02:42:13.690 --> 02:42:16.459
but looks like Jason Vinucci.

02:42:16.459 --> 02:42:19.459
Do you just state your name and address for the record.

02:42:19.459 --> 02:42:23.809
I live at 1901 Lakeview Boulevard. I'm in the Lakeview

02:42:23.809 --> 02:42:25.459
Ranch subdivision.

02:42:25.459 --> 02:42:29.690
I'm actually here on behalf of the Lakeview Ranch subdiv

02:42:29.690 --> 02:42:30.459
ision.

02:42:30.459 --> 02:42:34.809
You'll have several speakers coming up after me. If you don

02:42:34.809 --> 02:42:37.040
't mind, I would just like to ask those community members to

02:42:37.040 --> 02:42:38.459
stand up briefly and have a seat.

02:42:38.459 --> 02:42:39.459
Sure.

02:42:39.459 --> 02:42:46.459
Just to show you who's here.

02:42:46.459 --> 02:42:48.799
These are Lakeview residents is that one. These are the

02:42:48.799 --> 02:42:50.809
Lakeview residents. If you look at the map in the right

02:42:50.809 --> 02:42:54.850
hand corner it says Lakeview Ranch, and they are very light

02:42:54.850 --> 02:42:56.459
colored area.

02:42:56.459 --> 02:43:02.219
So, you know, we are here because we actually are hoping

02:43:02.219 --> 02:43:06.459
you will oppose this woodlands community.

02:43:06.459 --> 02:43:10.260
Tonight basically we want to, we want to go directly into

02:43:10.260 --> 02:43:12.459
discussing a few topics here.

02:43:12.459 --> 02:43:15.219
And those topics that will go through will be discussed by

02:43:15.219 --> 02:43:17.459
other community members that will come up.

02:43:17.459 --> 02:43:21.059
I just want to give you a quick summary of what I, what you

02:43:21.059 --> 02:43:24.459
can expect to hear and what what will take place.

02:43:24.459 --> 02:43:28.399
One of these topics we would like to discuss our safety,

02:43:28.399 --> 02:43:32.329
which is going to be due to the increased traffic, not only

02:43:32.329 --> 02:43:36.389
on McKinney, but as well as Trinity, which is a shortcut up

02:43:36.389 --> 02:43:38.459
to Lakeview and 380.

02:43:38.459 --> 02:43:42.100
We would also like to talk about the speeding of people

02:43:42.100 --> 02:43:46.500
cutting through the community to get to 380, as well as the

02:43:46.500 --> 02:43:50.430
fact that there is no traffic light at that intersection at

02:43:50.430 --> 02:43:53.459
Lakeview Boulevard and Highway 380.

02:43:53.459 --> 02:43:56.909
We would also like to discuss the deterioration of the

02:43:56.909 --> 02:44:00.459
current road condition and the future road condition.

02:44:00.459 --> 02:44:04.879
Previous to that, we've actually asked the city and

02:44:04.879 --> 02:44:09.739
requested several times for road humps speed limit signs

02:44:09.739 --> 02:44:14.750
more speed limit signs, as well as stop signs that has been

02:44:14.750 --> 02:44:15.459
denied.

02:44:15.459 --> 02:44:19.030
Basically, the impact of the woodland, how it would have an

02:44:19.030 --> 02:44:22.600
impact on our fire, our police, our ambulance service, as

02:44:22.600 --> 02:44:24.459
well as our school services.

02:44:24.459 --> 02:44:26.459
Are we prepared for that?

02:44:26.459 --> 02:44:29.540
The impact of the current home values, I believe you

02:44:29.540 --> 02:44:31.459
brought up and property tax.

02:44:31.459 --> 02:44:37.149
We'd also like to discuss the zoning change from RD5, which

02:44:37.149 --> 02:44:42.420
is designed to maintain this area as a five acre, one home

02:44:42.420 --> 02:44:47.459
per five acres for a rural area, as well as the 2030 plan,

02:44:47.459 --> 02:44:51.360
which also states that it should be maintained this way as

02:44:51.360 --> 02:44:54.459
a one home per five acre.

02:44:54.459 --> 02:44:58.659
We believe that with the research we've done that you will

02:44:58.659 --> 02:45:01.459
deny the request to approve this.

02:45:01.459 --> 02:45:05.600
We also would like you to reconsider adding additional

02:45:05.600 --> 02:45:10.100
zoning change signs, given that it's a rural area and there

02:45:10.100 --> 02:45:15.090
is one home per five acres assigned within 500 feet of this

02:45:15.090 --> 02:45:17.459
property is not appropriate.

02:45:17.459 --> 02:45:20.579
You may get a few cars going by one way or the other, but

02:45:20.579 --> 02:45:23.620
you're not reaching everybody that will be directly

02:45:23.620 --> 02:45:24.459
impacted.

02:45:24.459 --> 02:45:28.459
So that's just something to consider in the future.

02:45:28.459 --> 02:45:31.600
There's also a community that's located directly across the

02:45:31.600 --> 02:45:34.479
street from the Ryan High School and forgive me, I don't

02:45:34.479 --> 02:45:36.459
know the name of the subdivision.

02:45:36.459 --> 02:45:39.479
They do not have a homeowner association, but they are

02:45:39.479 --> 02:45:42.620
mostly not here tonight because they're not aware of this

02:45:42.620 --> 02:45:45.459
because their entrance is further to the west.

02:45:45.459 --> 02:45:48.209
Some of them that will use Lakeview Boulevard to cut

02:45:48.209 --> 02:45:51.319
through perhaps might know, but the majority are so close

02:45:51.319 --> 02:45:55.459
to the intersection of Mayhill and McKinney, they just go

02:45:55.459 --> 02:45:56.459
that way.

02:45:56.459 --> 02:45:59.729
But they're going to see an increase in traffic coming from

02:45:59.729 --> 02:46:00.459
the west.

02:46:00.459 --> 02:46:03.209
With that being said, I just want to thank you for your

02:46:03.209 --> 02:46:03.459
time.

02:46:03.459 --> 02:46:07.530
And hopefully we can we can come up here and go through our

02:46:07.530 --> 02:46:08.459
options.

02:46:08.459 --> 02:46:09.459
Thank you.

02:46:09.459 --> 02:46:11.270
Thank you very much. We actually have some questions for

02:46:11.270 --> 02:46:11.459
you.

02:46:11.459 --> 02:46:16.479
Mr. Smith. Thank you, Chair. Can you give me some history

02:46:16.479 --> 02:46:17.459
of Lakeview Ranch? When was it built?

02:46:17.459 --> 02:46:23.459
I've been there actually almost 12 years.

02:46:23.459 --> 02:46:28.520
Okay. From what I know, Ashley Oaks was built in like '85,

02:46:28.520 --> 02:46:29.459
'86.

02:46:29.459 --> 02:46:31.459
Was that any worry?

02:46:31.459 --> 02:46:35.700
And I guess we technically can't elicit reactions from the

02:46:35.700 --> 02:46:36.459
crowd.

02:46:36.459 --> 02:46:39.260
So I would I would ask I would ask if you would like to

02:46:39.260 --> 02:46:42.000
answer this question for me later, if you have a blue card

02:46:42.000 --> 02:46:43.459
or you don't have a blue card, blue cards right out there.

02:46:43.459 --> 02:46:47.459
For myself, for myself, it was definitely a concern.

02:46:47.459 --> 02:46:50.209
Yeah. So that was a concern when you bought it, but you

02:46:50.209 --> 02:46:51.459
still bought a house there.

02:46:51.459 --> 02:46:54.459
I built a house there, but I built it under the impression.

02:46:54.459 --> 02:46:57.889
The if you're aware, Lakeview Ranch also has surrounding

02:46:57.889 --> 02:47:00.850
property and it was supposed to be developed into larger

02:47:00.850 --> 02:47:02.459
homes on larger home sites.

02:47:02.459 --> 02:47:06.700
I went to high school at Ryan. I lived down next to the

02:47:06.700 --> 02:47:07.510
Perry House. I used to drive through. I used to speak. I

02:47:07.510 --> 02:47:09.459
got my first speed ticket in Lakeview Ranch.

02:47:09.459 --> 02:47:15.459
So you're you're actually one of the people on my list.

02:47:15.459 --> 02:47:18.459
I'm a product of learning what you boys are all about.

02:47:18.459 --> 02:47:20.459
So you know exactly what I'm talking about.

02:47:20.459 --> 02:47:21.459
Exactly.

02:47:21.459 --> 02:47:23.840
To answer your question, yes. And the reason I did build a

02:47:23.840 --> 02:47:26.680
home in that community was the fact that there was future

02:47:26.680 --> 02:47:27.459
development planned.

02:47:27.459 --> 02:47:31.200
Unfortunately, some of the partners had a misunderstanding

02:47:31.200 --> 02:47:34.459
or there was a death and it just kind of broke apart.

02:47:34.459 --> 02:47:36.459
So that's why I continue to go ahead and build.

02:47:36.459 --> 02:47:38.350
How many how many folks would you if you're representing

02:47:38.350 --> 02:47:40.239
the rest of the community and the first one to come up here

02:47:40.239 --> 02:47:40.459
.

02:47:40.459 --> 02:47:43.459
So you get the most amount of darts thrown at you.

02:47:43.459 --> 02:47:47.659
How many how many in that community take Trinity to go

02:47:47.659 --> 02:47:49.459
south to McKinney?

02:47:49.459 --> 02:47:51.459
I couldn't answer that.

02:47:51.459 --> 02:47:54.459
Would you person buy it? I can't even do that.

02:47:54.459 --> 02:47:57.459
I could I could only guess. I don't know.

02:47:57.459 --> 02:48:00.459
Do you ever take it to go south?

02:48:00.459 --> 02:48:01.459
Very seldom.

02:48:01.459 --> 02:48:02.459
OK.

02:48:02.459 --> 02:48:04.459
The problem you have is there was a one lane bridge.

02:48:04.459 --> 02:48:06.459
Sure. Very limited access.

02:48:06.459 --> 02:48:09.459
So that's that's a huge problem.

02:48:09.459 --> 02:48:11.459
Mills and Trinity and Lakeview.

02:48:11.459 --> 02:48:14.260
I think I think the thing is is I get I see more people

02:48:14.260 --> 02:48:18.389
coming from the opposite direction to get to 380 than I see

02:48:18.389 --> 02:48:20.459
coming from 380 to get to.

02:48:20.459 --> 02:48:24.020
So with that with that question in mind then you know

02:48:24.020 --> 02:48:27.450
applicant put in put in restrictions to where this

02:48:27.450 --> 02:48:31.719
development has no access to Trinity unless they drive all

02:48:31.719 --> 02:48:36.459
the way down to McKinney and then all the way east to

02:48:36.459 --> 02:48:39.459
Trinity and then all the way north back again.

02:48:39.459 --> 02:48:41.510
The only way they had direct access to Trinity would be if

02:48:41.510 --> 02:48:43.459
they're an emergency vehicle and they won't be.

02:48:43.459 --> 02:48:47.420
So what is that you know in your in your opinion is that

02:48:47.420 --> 02:48:50.459
enough to limit northbound northbound.

02:48:50.459 --> 02:48:51.459
No not at all.

02:48:51.459 --> 02:48:54.389
Even if even if post I know it's hard to imagine now but

02:48:54.389 --> 02:48:57.389
the expansion of post oak is going to take it north and

02:48:57.389 --> 02:48:59.459
then may hill will be completed.

02:48:59.459 --> 02:49:02.739
It's hard it's hard to hard to conceive it now because you

02:49:02.739 --> 02:49:06.389
're thinking right now today the woodlands is created where

02:49:06.389 --> 02:49:08.459
they got to drive or drive Trinity.

02:49:08.459 --> 02:49:13.120
Well there's a you know two lane very well managed post oak

02:49:13.120 --> 02:49:17.389
and two and four lane very well managed may hill to get

02:49:17.389 --> 02:49:19.459
access to 380.

02:49:19.459 --> 02:49:22.670
I would assume that that and there's not access directly to

02:49:22.670 --> 02:49:25.620
Trinity there is only access directly to post oak that

02:49:25.620 --> 02:49:28.709
people would naturally inclined themselves to go to the

02:49:28.709 --> 02:49:31.459
more well developed road but I could.

02:49:31.459 --> 02:49:34.610
I appreciate that but I would actually disagree I would be

02:49:34.610 --> 02:49:37.709
willing to bet most people are going to go Trinity to Lake

02:49:37.709 --> 02:49:40.920
view for the pure purpose of no traffic lights no stop signs

02:49:40.920 --> 02:49:42.459
it's just right through.

02:49:42.459 --> 02:49:45.219
And if you try to go to the west you're going to run into

02:49:45.219 --> 02:49:48.229
not only the school traffic the community traffic coming

02:49:48.229 --> 02:49:51.159
out of the subdivision I described to you as well as if you

02:49:51.159 --> 02:49:52.459
go further to the east.

02:49:52.459 --> 02:49:55.510
I think that's vacation village perhaps or there's some

02:49:55.510 --> 02:49:57.459
homes by Camp Compass vacation.

02:49:57.459 --> 02:50:00.459
All of those people are going the same direction.

02:50:00.459 --> 02:50:03.200
You're going to have a huge traffic problem at that

02:50:03.200 --> 02:50:05.030
intersection so if it were me I would immediately take a

02:50:05.030 --> 02:50:07.459
left and drive an extra half mile and go right through the

02:50:07.459 --> 02:50:10.510
subdivision with no lights no stop signs but police

02:50:10.510 --> 02:50:13.459
officers limited limited.

02:50:13.459 --> 02:50:15.459
We have to fight for that sir.

02:50:15.459 --> 02:50:18.670
We can pull the swing and pull the city of didn't police

02:50:18.670 --> 02:50:22.459
department, we have to fight for that I paid for that area.

02:50:22.459 --> 02:50:26.600
Just answer your question because you bring up signage is a

02:50:26.600 --> 02:50:30.459
real area that already five X is just a placeholder.

02:50:30.459 --> 02:50:33.819
That's really not the point the signage part is only on any

02:50:33.819 --> 02:50:37.180
on any frontage and Cindy can even our library if she wants

02:50:37.180 --> 02:50:38.459
to be that signage.

02:50:38.459 --> 02:50:41.799
The only place we can put it is is where roads touch the

02:50:41.799 --> 02:50:43.459
property in question.

02:50:43.459 --> 02:50:47.889
We can't go up to 380 and post a sign zoning two miles

02:50:47.889 --> 02:50:52.450
south of here if you want to come on down and check it out.

02:50:52.450 --> 02:50:52.459
Yeah, no, but I would expect that you would put one at the

02:50:52.459 --> 02:50:52.459
intersection.

02:50:52.459 --> 02:50:54.459
I mean you've got I don't know how many homes I'm just

02:50:54.459 --> 02:50:56.719
going to speculate there's two or 300 homes in that

02:50:56.719 --> 02:50:57.459
community.

02:50:57.459 --> 02:51:00.459
And I don't think a lot of them know about this.

02:51:00.459 --> 02:51:01.459
Sure.

02:51:01.459 --> 02:51:04.780
And I, they're good. I already talked to some of them and

02:51:04.780 --> 02:51:07.569
they have to wait in a line just to turn out of their

02:51:07.569 --> 02:51:10.770
community in the current state and if you're adding what

02:51:10.770 --> 02:51:14.459
500 units approximately two cars per household.

02:51:14.459 --> 02:51:17.590
There's 1000 cars possibly. That's, that's just my

02:51:17.590 --> 02:51:18.459
observation.

02:51:18.459 --> 02:51:22.459
Okay, thank you. Okay, thank you. We saw more actually.

02:51:22.459 --> 02:51:26.790
Commissioner pernetta. Yeah, you mentioned fire safety and

02:51:26.790 --> 02:51:30.309
I'm guessing first responder response time and what

02:51:30.309 --> 02:51:34.379
direction would fire department come from to your community

02:51:34.379 --> 02:51:37.920
would they be coming up Trinity from McKinney or from

02:51:37.920 --> 02:51:39.459
another direction,

02:51:39.459 --> 02:51:44.629
they would probably be coming McKinney mills, you're right,

02:51:44.629 --> 02:51:49.459
actually mills yes I go McKinney and Mills. Okay, so.

02:51:49.459 --> 02:51:54.459
So right here. So basically up here so we wouldn't really.

02:51:54.459 --> 02:52:00.729
So then in fact if there was a fire emergency, they wouldn

02:52:00.729 --> 02:52:03.459
't be affected by by this.

02:52:03.459 --> 02:52:06.159
Okay, I'm not in the present state I'm not aware of a fire

02:52:06.159 --> 02:52:08.360
truck could even cross the one lane bridge I'm not sure of

02:52:08.360 --> 02:52:09.459
the restrictions.

02:52:09.459 --> 02:52:12.819
Okay, and that's, I just wanted to clarify that clarify

02:52:12.819 --> 02:52:16.040
that because I know you raised that as a concern and I did

02:52:16.040 --> 02:52:19.459
absolutely I didn't see where that would be an issue.

02:52:19.459 --> 02:52:24.459
So, the, the question that commissioners.

02:52:24.459 --> 02:52:28.170
Smith came up. Sorry, I'm like jumping all over, I've got

02:52:28.170 --> 02:52:31.459
stuff all over.

02:52:31.459 --> 02:52:35.819
I'm bought up as far as Trinity goes and the traffic, he

02:52:35.819 --> 02:52:39.459
did mention that in order for this to work.

02:52:39.459 --> 02:52:43.290
Someone would have to go an extra half mile plus out of

02:52:43.290 --> 02:52:45.459
their way to go up Trinity.

02:52:45.459 --> 02:52:49.290
You mentioned that that would still be preferable to a

02:52:49.290 --> 02:52:53.459
developed post oak, or a widened McKinney to may hill.

02:52:53.459 --> 02:52:59.489
What is the speed limit on Trinity that would make it that

02:52:59.489 --> 02:53:03.459
advantageous standards speed trap.

02:53:03.459 --> 02:53:05.799
I mean is it kind of it's kind of the auto bonds you know I

02:53:05.799 --> 02:53:08.459
could just kind of blaze my bike up there and go through.

02:53:08.459 --> 02:53:10.709
I wouldn't recommend that. But I mean, there's, I don't

02:53:10.709 --> 02:53:12.959
know if there's a speed limit if there is, I don't know

02:53:12.959 --> 02:53:15.389
that anybody does it there's, you know, people racing

02:53:15.389 --> 02:53:16.459
through there, etc.

02:53:16.459 --> 02:53:19.690
Okay, I'm just based on the way this is going to be laid

02:53:19.690 --> 02:53:23.100
out and the fact that there is no access to Trinity except

02:53:23.100 --> 02:53:25.459
for the emergency vehicle route.

02:53:25.459 --> 02:53:30.680
I, I'm kind of failing to connect the dots on how traffic

02:53:30.680 --> 02:53:34.459
would be impacted in that direction.

02:53:34.459 --> 02:53:37.219
I guess those were the only well I think you know even the

02:53:37.219 --> 02:53:39.750
gentleman with the woodlands when he was up here he said

02:53:39.750 --> 02:53:42.459
people would take the path of least resistance.

02:53:42.459 --> 02:53:45.899
They would take a path that didn't have stop signs or

02:53:45.899 --> 02:53:49.590
traffic lights, even if it was a half a mile longer, and

02:53:49.590 --> 02:53:51.459
fewer traffic lanes.

02:53:51.459 --> 02:53:53.549
I mean there's no resistance, okay just shoot out right

02:53:53.549 --> 02:53:56.670
where you need to go. So there are but there are no there

02:53:56.670 --> 02:54:00.459
are no stop signs or anything like that along Trinity.

02:54:00.459 --> 02:54:03.459
Okay. All right.

02:54:03.459 --> 02:54:05.459
So one.

02:54:05.459 --> 02:54:09.139
Okay, I believe the only stop sign is, is that the actual

02:54:09.139 --> 02:54:10.459
one lane bridge.

02:54:10.459 --> 02:54:15.459
Southbound courage. Okay.

02:54:15.459 --> 02:54:17.459
I think that's all I've got.

02:54:17.459 --> 02:54:23.459
Chris Rebecca. Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Jason.

02:54:23.459 --> 02:54:27.020
Anytime there's new development there's always worrying

02:54:27.020 --> 02:54:30.719
concern, basically about traffic property value and stuff

02:54:30.719 --> 02:54:34.409
like that so we hear that a lot and we're, we're empathetic

02:54:34.409 --> 02:54:35.459
towards that.

02:54:35.459 --> 02:54:40.229
But inevitably, you're going to have development there, not

02:54:40.229 --> 02:54:43.459
be this time. But you had mentioned.

02:54:43.459 --> 02:54:46.280
And I was curious where you got this that this area was

02:54:46.280 --> 02:54:49.459
zone for one home per acre, I believe it was five acres.

02:54:49.459 --> 02:54:53.399
Well, and after listening to Cindy I believe it might have

02:54:53.399 --> 02:54:57.680
been a temporary zoning but it was five RDX or your future

02:54:57.680 --> 02:55:03.520
land use map refers to this low density area, which would

02:55:03.520 --> 02:55:04.459
include neighborhood residential one.

02:55:04.459 --> 02:55:07.459
Neighborhood residential to an R3 and an R4.

02:55:07.459 --> 02:55:12.469
Each one means one home per acre to okay. So, in our fours,

02:55:12.469 --> 02:55:15.430
which this is trying to accommodate, you know, if you

02:55:15.430 --> 02:55:18.409
stretch the numbers a little bit you might come up with

02:55:18.409 --> 02:55:21.399
five but you're getting in that area so inevitably what's

02:55:21.399 --> 02:55:24.459
developed there could could be in there to post

02:55:24.459 --> 02:55:29.850
post oak, as it comes through I've seen the mobility map,

02:55:29.850 --> 02:55:35.459
and it's it's going to skirt across your lake lands there.

02:55:35.459 --> 02:55:37.879
I'm not sure exactly where it may even go right through it

02:55:37.879 --> 02:55:40.129
because then Lakeland Boulevard, it'll probably run

02:55:40.129 --> 02:55:41.459
parallel with it.

02:55:41.459 --> 02:55:44.270
Yeah, so you're going to get that for learning traffic and

02:55:44.270 --> 02:55:45.459
that will be for laying.

02:55:45.459 --> 02:55:59.090
The problem there is, is, is my understanding post so hasn

02:55:59.090 --> 02:56:02.459
't even been.

02:56:02.459 --> 02:56:05.690
There was traffic is going to be an issue there's no

02:56:05.690 --> 02:56:09.579
avoiding that. But I understand the concern, and I think,

02:56:09.579 --> 02:56:13.540
from what I've seen the developers have been over backwards

02:56:13.540 --> 02:56:17.159
to minimize the impacts that this type of development is

02:56:17.159 --> 02:56:18.459
going to have.

02:56:18.459 --> 02:56:21.459
That's more than some people do and I think if they weren't

02:56:21.459 --> 02:56:24.979
doing as much. I'd have a hard time with it too, but I don

02:56:24.979 --> 02:56:28.399
't want you to think we're not sympathetic towards your

02:56:28.399 --> 02:56:29.459
concerns we are.

02:56:29.459 --> 02:56:32.219
I would just like to caution you I think you're, you're,

02:56:32.219 --> 02:56:35.209
you're setting a precedence going forward there's, there's

02:56:35.209 --> 02:56:37.920
other developers in the area that would love to expand on

02:56:37.920 --> 02:56:40.770
that property is a beautiful piece of property has amazing

02:56:40.770 --> 02:56:41.459
trees.

02:56:41.459 --> 02:56:44.819
Talking about Lakeland, the woodlands, we're proposing the

02:56:44.819 --> 02:56:47.819
site is a great piece of property in the surrounding area

02:56:47.819 --> 02:56:51.139
is too. But I think you're setting a precedence going

02:56:51.139 --> 02:56:54.309
forward by allowing this type of community there, and

02:56:54.309 --> 02:56:56.459
possibly asking other developers to walk away from

02:56:56.459 --> 02:57:00.020
future expansion, and it could be much greater size homes

02:57:00.020 --> 02:57:03.559
on much larger lots preserving more trees more land, less

02:57:03.559 --> 02:57:05.459
traffic less congestion.

02:57:05.459 --> 02:57:09.239
Well, we take each development individually so I'm not sure

02:57:09.239 --> 02:57:12.770
it's going to be an automated but again, right, you have

02:57:12.770 --> 02:57:14.459
right to that concern.

02:57:14.459 --> 02:57:18.930
But the thing I mentioned earlier, and I know everybody's

02:57:18.930 --> 02:57:23.280
concerned about this I don't want to say that you're not,

02:57:23.280 --> 02:57:26.940
but didn't need affordable housing. And I wish this was a

02:57:26.940 --> 02:57:28.459
lot cheaper than it is but it's, there's none out there.

02:57:28.459 --> 02:57:44.459
We have a homeless situation. Part of what contributes that

02:57:44.459 --> 02:57:44.459
is people don't have a place to live. And this will help

02:57:44.459 --> 02:57:44.459
accommodate that that's why the housing authority housing

02:57:44.459 --> 02:57:44.459
authority got involved. So, that's got to be a

02:57:44.459 --> 02:57:44.459
consideration we have to take into account

02:57:44.459 --> 02:57:49.649
so we don't want it to be a cheap neighborhood. The

02:57:49.649 --> 02:57:52.879
inference that, you know, it's a trailer park. It's not,

02:57:52.879 --> 02:57:55.579
but it's not, you know, the traditional standard

02:57:55.579 --> 02:57:58.459
residential home setting either realize that.

02:57:58.459 --> 02:58:01.469
So the fact that he's gone out of his way that I had the

02:58:01.469 --> 02:58:04.979
landscape the burns, the eight foot masonry wall, I think

02:58:04.979 --> 02:58:07.459
will help offset some of that release.

02:58:07.459 --> 02:58:10.770
That's my opinion on that. So, thank you though for coming

02:58:10.770 --> 02:58:12.459
up and speaking.

02:58:12.459 --> 02:58:16.459
Thank you, I hope we can help more. Commissioner Sanchez.

02:58:16.459 --> 02:58:21.340
Yeah, I just wanted to say that when you said, the current,

02:58:21.340 --> 02:58:23.459
well it was currently.

02:58:23.459 --> 02:58:31.260
The classification was already five X, which is a holding

02:58:31.260 --> 02:58:38.780
position. So right now they want to move it to an NR six.

02:58:38.780 --> 02:58:46.459
So NR six mean that you can have up to six houses per acre.

02:58:46.459 --> 02:58:46.459
And so, it's not really. When you're talking about there'd

02:58:46.459 --> 02:58:46.459
be only one house for five acres that's not that's only a

02:58:46.459 --> 02:58:46.459
holding position.

02:58:46.459 --> 02:58:51.649
Well, I realize that now that Cindy's okay, given her

02:58:51.649 --> 02:58:54.940
presentation. All right. And I just wanted to say is, you

02:58:54.940 --> 02:58:56.790
look at Trinity, and you look at everything above that

02:58:56.790 --> 02:58:59.459
development. That's all open land.

02:58:59.459 --> 02:59:03.239
One day somebody's going to come in and you know, I sympath

02:59:03.239 --> 02:59:06.870
ize with you because we build we're building faster than

02:59:06.870 --> 02:59:10.860
when we're actually building roads to accommodate the, you

02:59:10.860 --> 02:59:15.129
know, amount of people were putting out there. And so my,

02:59:15.129 --> 02:59:18.459
my concern is if we stop this then I'm going to stop

02:59:18.459 --> 02:59:22.879
anything north of that developing until we have, you know,

02:59:22.879 --> 02:59:25.979
the right roads are going to stop, you know, people go

02:59:25.979 --> 02:59:28.459
through Trinity Road, I've taken it because I can't.

02:59:28.459 --> 02:59:32.569
You mentioned Vacation Village. I have some property out

02:59:32.569 --> 02:59:36.489
there. And so I learned about that cutoff and I just get on

02:59:36.489 --> 02:59:39.860
380. To me it's a lot faster than going all the way down

02:59:39.860 --> 02:59:42.809
McKinney and dealing with all the traffic there. I just go

02:59:42.809 --> 02:59:46.459
through there quick even though it's a single, single road

02:59:46.459 --> 02:59:49.389
bridge. I can get through there a lot faster than going all

02:59:49.389 --> 02:59:53.299
the way down McKinney. So I do utilize that. I have used it

02:59:53.299 --> 02:59:55.459
, utilized it several times.

02:59:55.459 --> 03:00:02.389
My concern is, is that Trinity Road that goes all the way

03:00:02.389 --> 03:00:06.700
to 380, I know it goes to that subdivision, but that's a

03:00:06.700 --> 03:00:08.459
public road, right?

03:00:08.459 --> 03:00:11.719
And so are we going to restrict public roads when they go

03:00:11.719 --> 03:00:15.479
through our neighborhood? And that's my biggest concern.

03:00:15.479 --> 03:00:18.840
Everybody wants, doesn't want nobody go through their

03:00:18.840 --> 03:00:22.180
neighborhood, but they're willing to go through other

03:00:22.180 --> 03:00:26.110
people's neighborhoods to get where they want. And I know

03:00:26.110 --> 03:00:30.030
that that subdivision, that road right there, if ever

03:00:30.030 --> 03:00:32.840
becomes developed, it's going to push a lot of traffic

03:00:32.840 --> 03:00:35.170
through that Trinity Road. It's going to push a lot of

03:00:35.170 --> 03:00:37.459
traffic onto 380 so you can get to 380.

03:00:37.459 --> 03:00:40.739
So it's just a matter of time I think before that road gets

03:00:40.739 --> 03:00:44.459
developed and pushes enough so you can have enough traffic.

03:00:44.459 --> 03:00:49.309
So that's my concern is long term, how are we going to deal

03:00:49.309 --> 03:00:52.459
with that whole area? It's going to get developed.

03:00:52.459 --> 03:00:55.879
Well I think the way you deal with it is first by starting

03:00:55.879 --> 03:01:00.079
with a lower density. A higher density won't solve your

03:01:00.079 --> 03:01:01.459
traffic problem.

03:01:01.459 --> 03:01:06.000
Well, the problem is the city is expanding and you can't

03:01:06.000 --> 03:01:10.629
build one acre homes all the way outside to outside the

03:01:10.629 --> 03:01:13.709
loop. At some point you have to start building higher

03:01:13.709 --> 03:01:16.590
density homes because you can't put everybody on five acres

03:01:16.590 --> 03:01:19.459
, otherwise we're going to be all the way to McKinney.

03:01:19.459 --> 03:01:23.399
Agreed. Okay, so that's what they're doing is, you know, we

03:01:23.399 --> 03:01:27.079
have to find areas at one time, it was within the loop. Now

03:01:27.079 --> 03:01:30.090
that city is expanding and what used to be rural is no

03:01:30.090 --> 03:01:33.090
longer rural. It's, it's at that point that you know we

03:01:33.090 --> 03:01:35.459
have to develop those properties because people are coming

03:01:35.459 --> 03:01:36.459
in.

03:01:36.459 --> 03:01:40.399
My biggest concern is we're not building the roads to be

03:01:40.399 --> 03:01:44.260
able to move the traffic that's being created. And I

03:01:44.260 --> 03:01:48.069
sympathize with you because I take that all the time,

03:01:48.069 --> 03:01:52.520
Trinity Road. And when you take Mills, Mills is not even a

03:01:52.520 --> 03:01:53.459
road.

03:01:53.459 --> 03:01:56.670
I would consider it more of a trail, you know, it's really

03:01:56.670 --> 03:01:59.420
a bad road. So it's a whole lot easier just to go up

03:01:59.420 --> 03:02:02.709
Trinity. So I just want to mention we have to consider long

03:02:02.709 --> 03:02:05.729
term, where are we going to go in that area because it's

03:02:05.729 --> 03:02:09.459
going to be developed. Once this gets, if this gets

03:02:09.459 --> 03:02:11.610
developed, you're going to start seeing more development up

03:02:11.610 --> 03:02:12.459
in that area.

03:02:12.459 --> 03:02:16.059
I agree. Again, I just think that the density is not going

03:02:16.059 --> 03:02:19.559
to solve a traffic issue though. I think we need to be more

03:02:19.559 --> 03:02:23.700
cautious of that going forward. It's really in a corner. So

03:02:23.700 --> 03:02:29.459
to put that many residents in one spot is, is tragic really

03:02:29.459 --> 03:02:30.459
.

03:02:30.459 --> 03:02:46.530
I mean, there's no answer. I just told you I use it. Yeah.

03:02:46.530 --> 03:02:46.629
And I know it's going to get used. Well, you're just

03:02:46.629 --> 03:02:46.739
helping prove my point. But eventually that's going to

03:02:46.739 --> 03:02:46.840
become a major road and it's going to come right through

03:02:46.840 --> 03:02:46.969
that through your, through your neighborhood. It's going to

03:02:46.969 --> 03:02:48.850
go right through there because that's going to be one of

03:02:48.850 --> 03:02:55.459
the few accesses to 380 quick, you know.

03:02:55.459 --> 03:02:58.370
So actually I got on the board to get in line and then we

03:02:58.370 --> 03:03:01.200
'll go to Commissioner Pernetta. First, thank you for being

03:03:01.200 --> 03:03:03.440
here. Thank you for representing everyone. Looking forward

03:03:03.440 --> 03:03:05.459
to hearing what I wanted to say.

03:03:05.459 --> 03:03:09.790
I just wanted to probably lay out where my thought process

03:03:09.790 --> 03:03:13.739
is and if this informs people how to respond, all the

03:03:13.739 --> 03:03:18.340
better. But a couple things that are resonating in my mind

03:03:18.340 --> 03:03:22.559
is when I look at this property and look at the surrounding

03:03:22.559 --> 03:03:25.459
land uses as well as our mobility.

03:03:25.459 --> 03:03:29.170
It does seem to be a fitting land use for that and I can go

03:03:29.170 --> 03:03:33.079
into that for two reasons. One, our mobility plan,

03:03:33.079 --> 03:03:37.170
regardless of the time of implementation, we know McKinney

03:03:37.170 --> 03:03:39.979
will be done. We don't know. I shouldn't say that

03:03:39.979 --> 03:03:40.459
confidently.

03:03:40.459 --> 03:03:47.049
It's scheduled to be done in 2020 and that would be a four

03:03:47.049 --> 03:03:53.049
lane divided road and then post oak which will run directly

03:03:53.049 --> 03:03:58.459
in between the perspective land and Ashley Oaks.

03:03:58.459 --> 03:04:02.139
That's a primary arterial. So that's a six lane divided

03:04:02.139 --> 03:04:06.079
road. So that corner that they're proposing to put a street

03:04:06.079 --> 03:04:10.290
light on will be identical to McKinney and loop 288 in terms

03:04:10.290 --> 03:04:11.459
of the size.

03:04:11.459 --> 03:04:15.610
And so when I think about McKinney and loop 288, it's hard

03:04:15.610 --> 03:04:19.329
for me to imagine one acre homes going in there and finding

03:04:19.329 --> 03:04:23.139
a market for larger single family homes at an intersection

03:04:23.139 --> 03:04:24.459
that massive.

03:04:24.459 --> 03:04:26.430
I know it concern about the viability of the project that

03:04:26.430 --> 03:04:29.629
they're presenting considering how dense that will be. You

03:04:29.629 --> 03:04:33.209
mean the intersection at Mayhill? No, McKinney and loop 288

03:04:33.209 --> 03:04:36.459
. Although McKinney and Mayhill look the same. They're all

03:04:36.459 --> 03:04:37.459
primary arterials.

03:04:37.459 --> 03:04:42.399
You'll have Bonnie Bray, Carol, loop 288, Mayhill, post oak

03:04:42.399 --> 03:04:46.610
. Those will all be the same capacity of roads across Denton

03:04:46.610 --> 03:04:50.989
. Those are how the vertical struts of our city are planned.

03:04:50.989 --> 03:04:54.459
So post oak is intended to relieve traffic from loop 288

03:04:54.459 --> 03:04:54.459
and then Mayhill and then post oak.

03:04:54.459 --> 03:04:57.219
That's going to run right next to the property. And so it's

03:04:57.219 --> 03:05:00.860
designed to get people north from I-35 to 380. That's the

03:05:00.860 --> 03:05:03.149
intent of it. It's going to be designed to get traffic that

03:05:03.149 --> 03:05:05.459
way and they're going to dump right onto that property.

03:05:05.459 --> 03:05:09.500
On the east side, Trinity and the mobility plan will be

03:05:09.500 --> 03:05:14.610
renamed to Lakeview and that's a collector road. And so the

03:05:14.610 --> 03:05:20.959
city has in our mobility plan that Lakeview Boulevard is

03:05:20.959 --> 03:05:25.459
designed to connect McKinney to 380.

03:05:25.459 --> 03:05:28.200
That's the design of the city is to connect those two

03:05:28.200 --> 03:05:30.489
streets. And I'm not sure if you're aware of this. This

03:05:30.489 --> 03:05:32.790
would be a larger concern if I was in the area. The

03:05:32.790 --> 03:05:35.590
adjacent property of the southwest of Lakeview Ranch that's

03:05:35.590 --> 03:05:39.459
undeveloped I think where that one lane bridge is.

03:05:39.459 --> 03:05:43.770
The southwest? The southwest of that highlighted yellow

03:05:43.770 --> 03:05:44.459
part.

03:05:44.459 --> 03:05:48.549
So if we're looking at the map, it's to... Just above the

03:05:48.549 --> 03:05:51.459
mobile home park? Yeah, well to the right.

03:05:51.459 --> 03:05:55.459
That would be southeast.

03:05:55.459 --> 03:05:59.659
Oh, okay. Okay. On either side of that, so it looks like

03:05:59.659 --> 03:06:02.489
Trinity kind of turns right there. On either side of that

03:06:02.489 --> 03:06:05.729
diagonal, if you think like a bow tie, that both those

03:06:05.729 --> 03:06:09.879
zoning on either side of that road is mixed use residential

03:06:09.879 --> 03:06:12.459
12, which is a highly intensive use.

03:06:12.459 --> 03:06:16.729
10,000 square foot retail, 12 units per acre duplexes. That

03:06:16.729 --> 03:06:19.879
's by right. If someone bought that property that could go

03:06:19.879 --> 03:06:26.989
up tomorrow, it wouldn't even come to us. And so the... I

03:06:26.989 --> 03:06:29.709
guess to not belabor the point, there's going to be density

03:06:29.709 --> 03:06:30.459
on Lakeview.

03:06:30.459 --> 03:06:32.920
Hopefully it gets... It sounds like it's a bad street to

03:06:32.920 --> 03:06:35.219
begin with and hopefully there may be some speed mitigators

03:06:35.219 --> 03:06:37.879
like speed bumps or something that could help you. But Lake

03:06:37.879 --> 03:06:39.459
view is going to be built out.

03:06:39.459 --> 03:06:43.399
We've tried that so many times. I understand. But when we

03:06:43.399 --> 03:06:47.850
're looking at this property, considering how much traffic

03:06:47.850 --> 03:06:50.459
is going to be forced there from a city onto that corner,

03:06:50.459 --> 03:06:52.930
it's hard for me to fathom that once that's built that they

03:06:52.930 --> 03:06:55.459
would go to the new Lakeview to go north.

03:06:55.459 --> 03:06:58.420
But even if they do, that's the way the city has designed

03:06:58.420 --> 03:07:02.000
that street. And unfortunately it goes through development.

03:07:02.000 --> 03:07:05.170
But from looking at, from my perspective, how the city has

03:07:05.170 --> 03:07:08.340
agreed from council and commissions before us of how that

03:07:08.340 --> 03:07:12.049
land is going to be navigated, it does seem like a fitting

03:07:12.049 --> 03:07:15.459
property, especially sandwiched in between two properties.

03:07:15.459 --> 03:07:18.299
So that's where I'm coming from. I appreciate... I'm

03:07:18.299 --> 03:07:20.870
wanting to hear all the feedback here. That's what I'm

03:07:20.870 --> 03:07:23.440
going to be listening to to understand how it's not a good

03:07:23.440 --> 03:07:26.459
fit. With that, I'll give it to Commissioner Pernetta.

03:07:26.459 --> 03:07:29.700
Thank you. Actually, you said a lot of the things that I

03:07:29.700 --> 03:07:33.059
was going to say, Chair Wiesel. Because one of the things

03:07:33.059 --> 03:07:36.309
that, you know, I know everyone has a vested interest in

03:07:36.309 --> 03:07:39.670
this. One of the things that we have to consider when we're

03:07:39.670 --> 03:07:42.989
making our decision is does what is presented fit with what

03:07:42.989 --> 03:07:45.459
is surrounding this right now?

03:07:45.459 --> 03:07:49.149
Now, I know a lot of people are looking at zoning and going

03:07:49.149 --> 03:07:53.360
, well, you know, there's the RDX-5 and there's, you know,

03:07:53.360 --> 03:07:57.459
the NR-2, just off to the west of that. Having said that,

03:07:57.459 --> 03:08:00.680
you know, in that NR-2, which I believe the pre-existing

03:08:00.680 --> 03:08:04.829
property, which is a mobile home park, was grandfathered in

03:08:04.829 --> 03:08:05.459
there.

03:08:05.459 --> 03:08:09.280
So when you look at that one, Ashley Oaks and Denton Falls,

03:08:09.280 --> 03:08:13.260
what they're proposing is actually completely conforms to

03:08:13.260 --> 03:08:17.909
what immediately surrounds it. And in some ways, it appears

03:08:17.909 --> 03:08:22.059
to be a nicer development. So based on the plan that they

03:08:22.059 --> 03:08:23.459
've submitted to us.

03:08:23.459 --> 03:08:27.610
So as of now, based on the fact that when we consider the

03:08:27.610 --> 03:08:31.940
character of what's there and what we want, what is being

03:08:31.940 --> 03:08:36.309
asked to be put there, I haven't seen compelling evidence

03:08:36.309 --> 03:08:38.459
to vote against this.

03:08:38.459 --> 03:08:41.219
You know, you mentioned something about holding out for

03:08:41.219 --> 03:08:43.969
developers who will put in, you know, one-acre homes and

03:08:43.969 --> 03:08:47.049
everything. Well, my understanding is that they already own

03:08:47.049 --> 03:08:50.049
this property, so unless they're going to change, you know,

03:08:50.049 --> 03:08:52.829
direction midstream and, you know, put mega homes on one

03:08:52.829 --> 03:08:56.129
acre, and, you know, I don't think they are inclined to do

03:08:56.129 --> 03:09:00.209
that. They seem to put some time into this already. I'm not

03:09:00.209 --> 03:09:03.459
seeing that as being an option.

03:09:03.459 --> 03:09:05.719
I wish I could elaborate more on that. The surrounding

03:09:05.719 --> 03:09:08.200
property, unfortunately, as a result of the woodlands, is

03:09:08.200 --> 03:09:10.459
my understanding went up for sale immediately.

03:09:10.459 --> 03:09:12.459
Okay.

03:09:12.459 --> 03:09:15.280
And on that one, I'm sure that will come before us at some

03:09:15.280 --> 03:09:19.139
point in the future. My next thing is, Cindy, just out of

03:09:19.139 --> 03:09:22.309
curiosity, because I know a lot of this is based on

03:09:22.309 --> 03:09:26.280
hypotheticals in terms of traffic patterns. Do we know

03:09:26.280 --> 03:09:31.459
approximately when Post Oak will be ready for the traffic

03:09:31.459 --> 03:09:32.459
that we hope will?

03:09:32.459 --> 03:09:38.459
Well, are you talking the entirety of Post Oak?

03:09:38.459 --> 03:09:43.620
I guess the portion that would line up next to where we're

03:09:43.620 --> 03:09:49.409
at, that would hopefully, in effect, divert anybody from

03:09:49.409 --> 03:09:52.459
wanting to go a half a mile south.

03:09:52.459 --> 03:09:59.459
The applicant can answer that.

03:09:59.459 --> 03:10:02.790
We've worked a lot with staff and looking at Post Oak. Post

03:10:02.790 --> 03:10:06.729
Oak at one time was planned to be on Trinity, and then they

03:10:06.729 --> 03:10:10.950
moved. We worked with staff to, another thing we did about

03:10:10.950 --> 03:10:14.850
three or four months in, is to move that thoroughfare from

03:10:14.850 --> 03:10:17.459
Trinity to where we're proposing our west property line.

03:10:17.459 --> 03:10:20.219
So what does that mean? That means when Post Oak is

03:10:20.219 --> 03:10:23.239
extended in the future, instead of going on Trinity, it's

03:10:23.239 --> 03:10:26.170
going on the west side of our property north versus going

03:10:26.170 --> 03:10:29.290
right through the heart of the subdivision, through their

03:10:29.290 --> 03:10:30.459
subdivision.

03:10:30.459 --> 03:10:34.399
So, something that we did early on is to amend the thorough

03:10:34.399 --> 03:10:38.579
fare plan, and it was, we had those discussions, Richard,

03:10:38.579 --> 03:10:42.110
and that moves Post Oak and aligns it further west and

03:10:42.110 --> 03:10:44.459
doesn't put it down Trinity.

03:10:44.459 --> 03:10:47.829
Do we have an approximate time when Post Oak would be ready

03:10:47.829 --> 03:10:49.459
to accept that traffic?

03:10:49.459 --> 03:10:53.399
We've asked staff, they're not sure. So we're trying to

03:10:53.399 --> 03:10:56.530
jumpstart it by the first 1,200 feet and dedicate all the

03:10:56.530 --> 03:10:59.430
right of way. So we're trying to jumpstart that, establish

03:10:59.430 --> 03:11:01.879
the intersection, which that gives more reason to get it

03:11:01.879 --> 03:11:04.459
done sooner, but staff couldn't tell us exactly when.

03:11:04.459 --> 03:11:06.629
But that section you're thinking about would be somewhere

03:11:06.629 --> 03:11:08.459
around the time you're ready with Phase 1?

03:11:08.459 --> 03:11:13.139
Our part will be done with our project further north of us,

03:11:13.139 --> 03:11:15.739
I don't know. But what the big condition that changes is

03:11:15.739 --> 03:11:17.680
McKinney goes to a two-lane road to a four-lane road, and

03:11:17.680 --> 03:11:21.309
Mayhill, under construction today, goes to a four-lane

03:11:21.309 --> 03:11:22.459
divided road.

03:11:22.459 --> 03:11:25.469
So that substantially changes that area. And I know

03:11:25.469 --> 03:11:28.879
construction traffic too can, it changes patterns and it's

03:11:28.879 --> 03:11:32.420
frustrating. And I know Mayhill's under construction, but

03:11:32.420 --> 03:11:35.610
ultimately by the time we sell our first unit, or at least

03:11:35.610 --> 03:11:38.799
our first unit, those bigger things are done, which the

03:11:38.799 --> 03:11:40.459
dynamic changes a lot.

03:11:40.459 --> 03:11:44.520
So, do you have Post Oak, your section of Post Oak, is it

03:11:44.520 --> 03:11:46.459
connected to a certain phase?

03:11:46.459 --> 03:11:49.610
I think we have tied it to Phase 1, it's adjacent to our

03:11:49.610 --> 03:11:53.020
Phase 1. We have no concerns, we'll put that in as soon as

03:11:53.020 --> 03:11:56.459
the City wants it. But we were intending to do Phase 1.

03:11:56.459 --> 03:11:58.459
Alright, thank you.

03:11:58.459 --> 03:12:00.459
Assuming that would be a dead end then?

03:12:00.459 --> 03:12:04.459
It would, until the City continued it.

03:12:04.459 --> 03:12:08.450
That's all the questions we have for you. Appreciate your

03:12:08.450 --> 03:12:09.459
time.

03:12:09.459 --> 03:12:17.459
Next one we have is, I think it's Merritt Kirk.

03:12:17.459 --> 03:12:26.459
Gotcha. Thank you for the correction.

03:12:26.459 --> 03:12:29.709
I'm with you. If you could state your name and address for

03:12:29.709 --> 03:12:32.520
the record, and I'm sorry, can you pull that mic back

03:12:32.520 --> 03:12:33.459
towards you?

03:12:33.459 --> 03:12:40.399
My name is Merritt Kirk, and I live at 1301 Lakeview Boule

03:12:40.399 --> 03:12:43.459
vard with my lovely bride.

03:12:43.459 --> 03:12:50.459
I've heard a lot about future roads and plans and so forth,

03:12:50.459 --> 03:12:53.899
so I thought I might bring a little bit of the real world

03:12:53.899 --> 03:12:56.459
in here, in terms of what happens on our street.

03:12:56.459 --> 03:13:01.000
Now, we don't live behind a gate. Our street is right in

03:13:01.000 --> 03:13:06.010
front of our house, and it's crumbling, and there's people

03:13:06.010 --> 03:13:10.459
speeding up and down the road at all hours of the day.

03:13:10.459 --> 03:13:16.760
But anyway, to try to quantify the safety issue, my wife

03:13:16.760 --> 03:13:22.799
and I did a little survey door to door on how many mailbox

03:13:22.799 --> 03:13:28.340
es have been demolished or badly damaged in the years that

03:13:28.340 --> 03:13:31.459
we've lived there, which is about 13, 14 years.

03:13:31.459 --> 03:13:37.879
There are 37 properties, including our clubhouse, on the

03:13:37.879 --> 03:13:44.190
street, and it's roughly a mile from 380 down to where we

03:13:44.190 --> 03:13:46.459
hook into Trinity.

03:13:46.459 --> 03:13:54.510
And in the period that we've been there, we've had 51

03:13:54.510 --> 03:14:02.750
incidents where the mailboxes were either crashed into or

03:14:02.750 --> 03:14:05.459
badly damaged.

03:14:05.459 --> 03:14:14.129
And in some cases, the individual properties have been hit

03:14:14.129 --> 03:14:18.079
three times. Matter of fact, I have a neighbor two doors

03:14:18.079 --> 03:14:18.459
down.

03:14:18.459 --> 03:14:24.100
He just rebuilt his mailbox, and one week later, it was

03:14:24.100 --> 03:14:26.459
crashed into again.

03:14:26.459 --> 03:14:30.459
So now I just put up a temporary. These mailboxes are

03:14:30.459 --> 03:14:35.090
substantial. I mean, most of them are brick with an encased

03:14:35.090 --> 03:14:37.459
. If you hit one, you know it.

03:14:37.459 --> 03:14:54.350
Anyway, I have if this thing will this we turn on. We get

03:14:54.350 --> 03:15:01.170
the eye on this guy on. Show you here on the property 37

03:15:01.170 --> 03:15:01.459
properties.

03:15:01.459 --> 03:15:07.459
Step closer.

03:15:07.459 --> 03:15:12.780
And you'll see that what I have there is that the X is

03:15:12.780 --> 03:15:14.459
indicate the number of incidents.

03:15:14.459 --> 03:15:17.219
And this is, as I say, over a period since we've lived

03:15:17.219 --> 03:15:23.459
there, we moved in in December of '04. So 13 to 14 years.

03:15:23.459 --> 03:15:30.389
And a number of them have had three times mailboxes knocked

03:15:30.389 --> 03:15:31.459
down.

03:15:31.459 --> 03:15:35.790
And so, you know, we have a neighborhood where we hopefully

03:15:35.790 --> 03:15:39.659
we're kind of open in the open country where we can enjoy

03:15:39.659 --> 03:15:45.379
the peace and quiet of having a yard around us, which, you

03:15:45.379 --> 03:15:47.459
know, we try to maintain.

03:15:47.459 --> 03:15:58.829
And so it's a little bit risky when you go out and somebody

03:15:58.829 --> 03:16:02.579
little kids want to ride their bikes or we want to just

03:16:02.579 --> 03:16:06.459
take a walk or go out and get our mailbox, our mail.

03:16:06.459 --> 03:16:11.389
I have a neighbor who says that when he edges his yard, his

03:16:11.389 --> 03:16:16.850
wife is standing there telling him, here comes another one.

03:16:16.850 --> 03:16:18.459
No, get over. This is the real world we're living in here.

03:16:18.459 --> 03:16:22.020
And the cars and many cases are doing well over the speed

03:16:22.020 --> 03:16:25.750
limit, despite the fact that it's posted at 30 miles per

03:16:25.750 --> 03:16:26.459
hour.

03:16:26.459 --> 03:16:31.049
And despite the fact that there have been many calls to the

03:16:31.049 --> 03:16:35.370
police, both the county and the city, to come out and

03:16:35.370 --> 03:16:39.879
enforce. And when they come out, magically the speed goes

03:16:39.879 --> 03:16:40.459
down.

03:16:40.459 --> 03:16:45.459
And the minute they leave, almost the speed goes back up.

03:16:45.459 --> 03:16:48.459
And so it's really a quite dangerous situation.

03:16:48.459 --> 03:16:52.979
And I have personally, in going down the street, tried to

03:16:52.979 --> 03:16:57.690
maintain me even three miles above 30, try to be nice and

03:16:57.690 --> 03:16:59.459
cars will pass me.

03:16:59.459 --> 03:17:03.139
You know, they could tailgate me and then pass me. And so

03:17:03.139 --> 03:17:09.520
people have no fear whatsoever of being arrested unless

03:17:09.520 --> 03:17:12.459
they just got a ticket.

03:17:12.459 --> 03:17:29.459
So anyway, this is my data here. I'll show you. And that's

03:17:29.459 --> 03:17:29.459
the second page.

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We personally witnessed one day a car crashing into a tree,

03:17:33.750 --> 03:17:37.459
an SUV, not very far from where we were walking.

03:17:37.459 --> 03:17:41.809
So it's a very dangerous thing. And so when we hear about

03:17:41.809 --> 03:17:49.819
the development of this nature, 500 homes, 1,000 or more

03:17:49.819 --> 03:17:50.459
cars,

03:17:50.459 --> 03:17:54.020
and I know the argument about they're not likely to go over

03:17:54.020 --> 03:17:55.459
to Trinity and go up.

03:17:55.459 --> 03:18:00.860
But if you're working, and this point's been made by some

03:18:00.860 --> 03:18:06.489
other people in our group, that if you're working in Frisco

03:18:06.489 --> 03:18:08.459
or east of Lakeview,

03:18:08.459 --> 03:18:11.280
and you're coming down there and you're trying to decide

03:18:11.280 --> 03:18:14.459
how I want to get home, you can wheel right down there.

03:18:14.459 --> 03:18:18.260
Don't worry about the speed. Wheel right down there and go

03:18:18.260 --> 03:18:21.459
down Trinity, take a right, and you're home.

03:18:21.459 --> 03:18:26.100
Rather than go down, get in a line, getting off wherever

03:18:26.100 --> 03:18:30.360
May Hill or however that's going to work or the loop or

03:18:30.360 --> 03:18:31.459
whatever,

03:18:31.459 --> 03:18:42.459
we have real concern about the added traffic and added -- I

03:18:42.459 --> 03:18:42.459
'm done.

03:18:42.459 --> 03:18:44.860
We actually have a question for you, so hopefully he gets

03:18:44.860 --> 03:18:45.459
more time. Commissioner Smith.

03:18:45.459 --> 03:18:49.170
Thank you, Chair. Did you happen to have a source on the

03:18:49.170 --> 03:18:52.459
perps, the people who caused the accidents?

03:18:52.459 --> 03:18:55.219
Did you happen to know where they're from? Was it the kids

03:18:55.219 --> 03:18:56.459
coming from the high school?

03:18:56.459 --> 03:19:00.459
Well, it's all -- well, not really, but I'm only in Miami.

03:19:00.459 --> 03:19:01.459
Did you ever hear anything from the assistance?

03:19:01.459 --> 03:19:04.819
We had ours knocked down once. Our daughter and her family

03:19:04.819 --> 03:19:06.459
had theirs knocked down once.

03:19:06.459 --> 03:19:16.020
And that person was from our daughter's place. They said

03:19:16.020 --> 03:19:18.909
they were on their way -- they actually jumped out of the

03:19:18.909 --> 03:19:19.459
car and ran,

03:19:19.459 --> 03:19:22.690
but they went airborne when they hit the driveway and went

03:19:22.690 --> 03:19:23.459
airborne.

03:19:23.459 --> 03:19:26.469
And the guy ran off and then he came back. But he said he

03:19:26.469 --> 03:19:30.459
was going after somebody else to take to a party.

03:19:30.459 --> 03:19:33.459
That was his answer. And he was not in the community.

03:19:33.459 --> 03:19:36.950
The people that hit ours, do you remember how many? I don't

03:19:36.950 --> 03:19:40.459
know, but we were fortunate because the person left

03:19:40.459 --> 03:19:40.459
information

03:19:40.459 --> 03:19:44.870
and the insurance company paid for the -- doing a mailbox,

03:19:44.870 --> 03:19:49.459
which was about $600, $600, $800.

03:19:49.459 --> 03:19:53.760
I'm not saying that this means that the development of this

03:19:53.760 --> 03:19:57.459
Woodlands community wouldn't add to your problem,

03:19:57.459 --> 03:20:03.909
but I would wonder how many of those speeders, how many of

03:20:03.909 --> 03:20:05.459
those people who run the mailboxes,

03:20:05.459 --> 03:20:09.510
come from those communities that are down there along

03:20:09.510 --> 03:20:10.459
Trinity?

03:20:10.459 --> 03:20:12.700
I don't know if it's high schoolers, whoever else it is, or

03:20:12.700 --> 03:20:13.459
anything else.

03:20:13.459 --> 03:20:16.280
Now, I would like to ask Cindy -- and I don't leave you, I

03:20:16.280 --> 03:20:18.459
've got another question for you then.

03:20:18.459 --> 03:20:21.620
Cindy, if you could come up and maybe you -- you may know,

03:20:21.620 --> 03:20:22.459
you may not.

03:20:22.459 --> 03:20:25.909
Is this -- Lakeview Ranch, clarification. I'm assuming it

03:20:25.909 --> 03:20:30.459
is because the city police goes out there and monitors it.

03:20:30.459 --> 03:20:34.659
City-owned street, correct? What is the process for a

03:20:34.659 --> 03:20:38.459
neighborhood to request speed bumps?

03:20:38.459 --> 03:20:41.809
Gee, you know, I would think they'd have to go to the

03:20:41.809 --> 03:20:44.459
streets department and talk to them.

03:20:44.459 --> 03:20:47.459
I'm not certain, but that's what I would do.

03:20:47.459 --> 03:20:52.209
It was my understanding that because emergency vehicles

03:20:52.209 --> 03:20:56.229
might need to use the roads, that we could have speed bumps

03:20:56.229 --> 03:20:56.459
.

03:20:56.459 --> 03:20:58.459
I don't know. I've never realized that.

03:20:58.459 --> 03:21:00.459
That's probably very true.

03:21:00.459 --> 03:21:02.459
Because that's all in one way in and one way out.

03:21:02.459 --> 03:21:10.459
That's it. There's nothing. That's unfortunate.

03:21:10.459 --> 03:21:12.459
Okay, I'm done.

03:21:12.459 --> 03:21:14.459
Thank you.

03:21:14.459 --> 03:21:18.459
Thank you, Mr. Kirk.

03:21:18.459 --> 03:21:22.459
Next up is Martha Lang.

03:21:22.459 --> 03:21:28.190
If you could just state your name and address for the

03:21:28.190 --> 03:21:29.459
record.

03:21:29.459 --> 03:21:31.879
And I just want to re-mention, if you're wanting to speak,

03:21:31.879 --> 03:21:33.459
you're more than welcome to do so.

03:21:33.459 --> 03:21:36.209
We ask that you fill out a card, but if not, you can just

03:21:36.209 --> 03:21:38.459
come in order once everyone's cleared out.

03:21:38.459 --> 03:21:42.500
My name's Martha Lang. I live at 908 Lakeview Boulevard and

03:21:42.500 --> 03:21:43.459
Lakeview Ranch.

03:21:43.459 --> 03:21:45.459
I've lived there for over 15 years.

03:21:45.459 --> 03:21:48.219
I'm one of the fortunate ones that's had a mailbox hit

03:21:48.219 --> 03:21:50.459
three times in the last 10 months.

03:21:50.459 --> 03:21:54.540
One of it completely destroyed from a young man coming from

03:21:54.540 --> 03:21:58.079
Ashley Oaks, because he did stop and we did get his

03:21:58.079 --> 03:21:59.459
information.

03:21:59.459 --> 03:22:01.459
The other two, no one stopped.

03:22:01.459 --> 03:22:05.069
We've had numerous cases of property damage with people

03:22:05.069 --> 03:22:07.459
going off the road into the yards.

03:22:07.459 --> 03:22:12.459
So the safety issue on Lakeview is a huge, huge problem.

03:22:12.459 --> 03:22:15.799
I strongly disagree with the applicant saying that people

03:22:15.799 --> 03:22:18.459
are going to take the path of least resistance,

03:22:18.459 --> 03:22:22.409
because that is the path of least resistance, like Jason

03:22:22.409 --> 03:22:23.459
was saying.

03:22:23.459 --> 03:22:26.290
Everyone from the high school to any of these other

03:22:26.290 --> 03:22:28.459
developments come through there.

03:22:28.459 --> 03:22:33.059
I think that we all bought these properties there because

03:22:33.059 --> 03:22:34.459
of the rural feel,

03:22:34.459 --> 03:22:38.200
and we'd like to try to maintain that and changing the

03:22:38.200 --> 03:22:41.459
zoning on this property would eliminate that,

03:22:41.459 --> 03:22:43.920
but it would also set a really bad precedence for any

03:22:43.920 --> 03:22:45.459
future properties around that.

03:22:45.459 --> 03:22:49.819
I understand the cities need to have different types of

03:22:49.819 --> 03:22:52.459
housing and levels of housing,

03:22:52.459 --> 03:22:56.760
but the safety issue and thinking of four vehicles as far

03:22:56.760 --> 03:23:00.459
as parking spaces for each one of these units,

03:23:00.459 --> 03:23:04.459
you're talking then, you're talking not just 1,000 cars,

03:23:04.459 --> 03:23:07.459
you know, possibility of more than that.

03:23:07.459 --> 03:23:11.479
When they did their traffic study results, I'd like to hear

03:23:11.479 --> 03:23:13.459
if any of that was based on Lakeview

03:23:13.459 --> 03:23:21.950
or whether it was just the surrounding area that all the

03:23:21.950 --> 03:23:26.459
notices have been sent to.

03:23:26.459 --> 03:23:32.709
We did traffic counts at Trinity in 380, at Trinity McKin

03:23:32.709 --> 03:23:33.459
ney.

03:23:33.459 --> 03:23:38.459
We did traffic counts at McKinney in May Hill at the time

03:23:38.459 --> 03:23:40.459
because we'd been there for a while,

03:23:40.459 --> 03:23:43.459
and then McKinney in the loop.

03:23:43.459 --> 03:23:45.459
So we did traffic counts.

03:23:45.459 --> 03:23:48.389
We looked at work with the city, what the traffic

03:23:48.389 --> 03:23:49.459
distribution,

03:23:49.459 --> 03:23:52.459
what our anticipation of who's going to use those roads.

03:23:52.459 --> 03:23:57.459
It's a very low percentage, and I think the timing delay,

03:23:57.459 --> 03:24:02.000
if you're coming up to Trinity Eternal in 380, was a second

03:24:02.000 --> 03:24:04.459
or two difference in our study.

03:24:04.459 --> 03:24:06.459
Okay.

03:24:06.459 --> 03:24:11.200
So my biggest concern is, of course, the changing of the

03:24:11.200 --> 03:24:13.459
surrounding property.

03:24:13.459 --> 03:24:16.209
Again, I think it's going to set a precedent for future

03:24:16.209 --> 03:24:19.459
developments, and of course, the safety issue along there.

03:24:19.459 --> 03:24:23.459
We have tried to remedy that with the city.

03:24:23.459 --> 03:24:27.459
There's been nothing resolved with that.

03:24:27.459 --> 03:24:31.440
There's always been some other excuse why we can't get the

03:24:31.440 --> 03:24:33.459
speed bumps or whatever.

03:24:33.459 --> 03:24:37.489
I do understand they're not the access on Trinity being

03:24:37.489 --> 03:24:38.459
shut off.

03:24:38.459 --> 03:24:41.829
That's a good thing, but there still will be that emergency

03:24:41.829 --> 03:24:44.459
access, and I'm curious about that gate also.

03:24:44.459 --> 03:24:48.459
If that gate becomes broken and it doesn't become fixed,

03:24:48.459 --> 03:24:53.719
that will be an access point to go in and out of their own

03:24:53.719 --> 03:24:55.459
Trinity also.

03:24:55.459 --> 03:24:58.459
Christian?

03:24:58.459 --> 03:24:59.459
No, I'm sorry.

03:24:59.459 --> 03:25:03.090
I actually, in reference to something you said, but I want

03:25:03.090 --> 03:25:04.459
to talk to the CSA.

03:25:04.459 --> 03:25:08.579
Richard, what would it take, and how can we find out, to

03:25:08.579 --> 03:25:11.590
the benefit of these citizens, about getting speed bumps

03:25:11.590 --> 03:25:12.459
put in?

03:25:12.459 --> 03:25:16.450
It was always my understanding that, like if you were a

03:25:16.450 --> 03:25:19.180
homeowner association, that'd be something that the

03:25:19.180 --> 03:25:20.459
residents themselves would have to pay for.

03:25:20.459 --> 03:25:27.459
But is there really an objection by fire trucks, stuff like

03:25:27.459 --> 03:25:28.459
that?

03:25:28.459 --> 03:25:33.360
Typically, there are concerns, but there are other ways to

03:25:33.360 --> 03:25:34.459
mitigate.

03:25:34.459 --> 03:25:37.459
There are traffic circles.

03:25:37.459 --> 03:25:41.090
I think the issue here is currently it's designated as a

03:25:41.090 --> 03:25:43.459
collector on the mobility plan.

03:25:43.459 --> 03:25:44.459
Oh, is it?

03:25:44.459 --> 03:25:47.770
So as a result, you typically don't put speed bumps on a

03:25:47.770 --> 03:25:49.459
designated collector.

03:25:49.459 --> 03:25:52.459
I think the intent is, as we're redoing this mobility plan,

03:25:52.459 --> 03:25:56.459
and given where post-Oak would now be,

03:25:56.459 --> 03:26:00.399
I think that's an option where that then could be lifted

03:26:00.399 --> 03:26:03.459
ultimately, and something like that could be looked at.

03:26:03.459 --> 03:26:07.459
So it's typically discussed through traffic engineering,

03:26:07.459 --> 03:26:10.520
and then there's a traffic safety committee that will

03:26:10.520 --> 03:26:16.459
discuss the application of speed bumps or the like.

03:26:16.459 --> 03:26:17.459
Okay, thank you.

03:26:17.459 --> 03:26:19.459
Commissioner Pernitta.

03:26:19.459 --> 03:26:22.350
Just to verify, because you had a question about the

03:26:22.350 --> 03:26:23.459
emergency gate.

03:26:23.459 --> 03:26:26.450
My understanding is the only access to the emergency gate

03:26:26.450 --> 03:26:28.459
would be first responders who have --

03:26:28.459 --> 03:26:29.459
A bump?

03:26:29.459 --> 03:26:30.459
Yeah, a bump.

03:26:30.459 --> 03:26:34.719
Is that right? And as far as it ever becoming damaged, that

03:26:34.719 --> 03:26:38.260
would be a code issue, correct, where it would be required

03:26:38.260 --> 03:26:39.459
to be correct?

03:26:39.459 --> 03:26:40.459
Each away.

03:26:40.459 --> 03:26:44.620
Yeah, they would have to maintain that as a gate at all

03:26:44.620 --> 03:26:45.459
times.

03:26:45.459 --> 03:26:49.459
Okay.

03:26:49.459 --> 03:26:50.459
Commissioner Smith.

03:26:50.459 --> 03:26:51.459
Thank you, Chair.

03:26:51.459 --> 03:26:55.399
Richard, when it comes to not speed bumps, but those little

03:26:55.399 --> 03:26:58.459
hard pieces of plastic that are not rubble strips,

03:26:58.459 --> 03:27:01.219
basically they're speed inhibitors. You get them when you

03:27:01.219 --> 03:27:02.459
're going into the airport at DFW.

03:27:02.459 --> 03:27:09.459
Those don't prohibit emergency vehicles from having to --

03:27:09.459 --> 03:27:12.459
[inaudible]

03:27:12.459 --> 03:27:14.680
Not just the reflectors, the ones that make noise as you

03:27:14.680 --> 03:27:15.459
drive over it.

03:27:15.459 --> 03:27:16.459
Like the rumble strips?

03:27:16.459 --> 03:27:19.459
Yeah, you do with bricks and everything else.

03:27:19.459 --> 03:27:24.780
What are the costs? What is the cost for any type of road

03:27:24.780 --> 03:27:26.459
improvement?

03:27:26.459 --> 03:27:29.459
That I'm not sure.

03:27:29.459 --> 03:27:34.399
I did, about five minutes ago, send an email to our traffic

03:27:34.399 --> 03:27:39.459
engineer, so I don't know if I'll get an answer tonight.

03:27:39.459 --> 03:27:40.459
Feel free to break in.

03:27:40.459 --> 03:27:43.600
But I did at least let him know that these issues were

03:27:43.600 --> 03:27:45.459
discussed at the meeting.

03:27:45.459 --> 03:27:49.840
Could it be something that we asked the applicant to pay

03:27:49.840 --> 03:27:53.459
for if that was part of the consideration?

03:27:53.459 --> 03:27:55.459
He just gave a thumbs up.

03:27:55.459 --> 03:27:59.459
Thumbs up is yes.

03:27:59.459 --> 03:28:00.459
Okay.

03:28:00.459 --> 03:28:01.459
What?

03:28:01.459 --> 03:28:04.620
Well, there was confirmation that the applicant would be

03:28:04.620 --> 03:28:07.459
willing to pay for speed mitigation on Lakeview Boulevard

03:28:07.459 --> 03:28:09.459
if the city approved it.

03:28:09.459 --> 03:28:10.459
My stop sign?

03:28:10.459 --> 03:28:12.530
I can't have a discussion off mic and we have an order. I

03:28:12.530 --> 03:28:14.459
don't know what it would be.

03:28:14.459 --> 03:28:17.459
[inaudible]

03:28:17.459 --> 03:28:19.459
Speed mitigation.

03:28:19.459 --> 03:28:21.459
And then who was it?

03:28:21.459 --> 03:28:23.860
At this point, we can't go into all the details. We have a

03:28:23.860 --> 03:28:25.459
lot of people who filled out cards.

03:28:25.459 --> 03:28:28.209
If you'd like to have a sidebar conversation with the city,

03:28:28.209 --> 03:28:29.459
you definitely can do that.

03:28:29.459 --> 03:28:34.459
Next up is Sheila Repka.

03:28:34.459 --> 03:28:36.459
Commissioner Beck.

03:28:36.459 --> 03:28:38.459
Thank you. Sorry.

03:28:38.459 --> 03:28:43.459
Is Lakeview Boulevard, is that four lane or two lane?

03:28:43.459 --> 03:28:44.459
Two lane.

03:28:44.459 --> 03:28:51.459
Striping that narrows the road at least gives that visual.

03:28:51.459 --> 03:28:52.270
That's always been to some effect a tendency to slow down

03:28:52.270 --> 03:28:53.459
traffic because they've got a narrow lane.

03:28:53.459 --> 03:28:56.209
So that wouldn't be prohibited on a collector road, would

03:28:56.209 --> 03:28:56.459
it?

03:28:56.459 --> 03:28:59.469
I don't believe so, but again, I would defer to traffic

03:28:59.469 --> 03:29:00.459
engineering.

03:29:00.459 --> 03:29:02.459
Okay. Just wanted to bring that up. Thanks.

03:29:02.459 --> 03:29:04.059
If you could just state your name and address for the

03:29:04.059 --> 03:29:04.459
record.

03:29:04.459 --> 03:29:08.829
Yes. I'm Sheila Repka. I know it doesn't look like Repka,

03:29:08.829 --> 03:29:10.459
but it is, trust me.

03:29:10.459 --> 03:29:16.459
I live at 1402 Lakeview Boulevard.

03:29:16.459 --> 03:29:21.459
We built our house about four years ago.

03:29:21.459 --> 03:29:27.069
I retired after 43 years of teaching, worked hard all of my

03:29:27.069 --> 03:29:32.590
life, and we moved to this neighborhood because it was

03:29:32.590 --> 03:29:33.459
beautiful.

03:29:33.459 --> 03:29:37.399
And we loved the surroundings. We loved everything about it

03:29:37.399 --> 03:29:37.459
.

03:29:37.459 --> 03:29:43.020
We built our house. We put in a basement, which is unheard

03:29:43.020 --> 03:29:44.459
of in Texas.

03:29:44.459 --> 03:29:48.459
And we love the area.

03:29:48.459 --> 03:29:55.459
Although there are serious issues. Traffic is one of them.

03:29:55.459 --> 03:30:00.459
There are numerous speeders up and down Lakeview.

03:30:00.459 --> 03:30:05.399
I even followed a young girl one day, and she turned off of

03:30:05.399 --> 03:30:11.459
380, sped down Lakeview at a rate of 60 miles an hour,

03:30:11.459 --> 03:30:16.459
turned up Mills, and turned into Ryan High School.

03:30:16.459 --> 03:30:21.459
I got her tag number. I called the school.

03:30:21.459 --> 03:30:24.260
The vice principal, I asked him to call her parents and let

03:30:24.260 --> 03:30:26.459
them know what their daughter was doing.

03:30:26.459 --> 03:30:31.459
And he thanked me immensely. But these are things that we

03:30:31.459 --> 03:30:31.459
're faced with all the time.

03:30:31.459 --> 03:30:39.459
It is a shortcut to Ryan, so we get lots of school traffic.

03:30:39.459 --> 03:30:45.979
I cannot walk on Lakeview, walk my dogs, or use my three-

03:30:45.979 --> 03:30:51.120
wheeled bike, which I purchased proudly a couple of years

03:30:51.120 --> 03:30:53.459
ago because I needed some exercise.

03:30:53.459 --> 03:30:58.190
I cannot use it on Lakeview. We have no sidewalks, no curbs

03:30:58.190 --> 03:30:58.459
.

03:30:58.459 --> 03:31:02.459
So we are at the mercy of traffic up and down that street.

03:31:02.459 --> 03:31:06.459
Numerous times I have been run off the road.

03:31:06.459 --> 03:31:11.110
One time when I was riding my bike, I literally had to swer

03:31:11.110 --> 03:31:15.670
ve into the grass in someone's yard, upset my bike, and

03:31:15.670 --> 03:31:17.459
injured myself.

03:31:17.459 --> 03:31:20.459
These are things we face on a daily basis.

03:31:20.459 --> 03:31:28.079
With the addition of at least a minimum of 1,000 additional

03:31:28.079 --> 03:31:31.430
cars traveling up and down our street, I can't even imagine

03:31:31.430 --> 03:31:33.459
the nightmare that that's going to be.

03:31:33.459 --> 03:31:39.000
I disagree strongly with the gentleman when he maintains

03:31:39.000 --> 03:31:44.500
that most of the residents there will use McKinney and May

03:31:44.500 --> 03:31:45.459
hill.

03:31:45.459 --> 03:31:49.989
I disagree. If they're traveling anywhere east, they will

03:31:49.989 --> 03:31:52.459
use Lakeview, as they do now.

03:31:52.459 --> 03:31:56.459
We get lots of traffic.

03:31:56.459 --> 03:31:59.870
Another thing I wanted to mention is he pulled on your

03:31:59.870 --> 03:32:03.879
heartstrings about telling the story of the woman with the

03:32:03.879 --> 03:32:07.409
children and how she would be so proud to have her own home

03:32:07.409 --> 03:32:07.459
.

03:32:07.459 --> 03:32:11.700
I am proud of my home, as all of our residents are in Lake

03:32:11.700 --> 03:32:12.459
view.

03:32:12.459 --> 03:32:18.459
We do not want this to happen.

03:32:18.459 --> 03:32:20.459
We do not want additional traffic.

03:32:20.459 --> 03:32:24.459
We do not want our property values to be...

03:32:24.459 --> 03:32:28.459
You know what I'm saying.

03:32:28.459 --> 03:32:34.459
We're very, very strong in our opinions about this.

03:32:34.459 --> 03:32:36.459
I taught at-risk students.

03:32:36.459 --> 03:32:39.350
I'm sure many of the students that I would have had had I

03:32:39.350 --> 03:32:42.459
continued teaching will live in that neighborhood.

03:32:42.459 --> 03:32:45.209
I have nothing against the people that would be living

03:32:45.209 --> 03:32:45.459
there.

03:32:45.459 --> 03:32:47.459
I love those children dearly.

03:32:47.459 --> 03:32:52.459
I still substitute at Fred Moore Alternative School.

03:32:52.459 --> 03:32:54.459
It's not a matter of prejudice.

03:32:54.459 --> 03:32:58.459
It's a matter of safety.

03:32:58.459 --> 03:33:05.059
It's a matter of protecting my lifetime investment, and I

03:33:05.059 --> 03:33:09.459
want to maintain my quality of life.

03:33:09.459 --> 03:33:12.459
This was to be our forever home.

03:33:12.459 --> 03:33:20.459
The thought of moving, selling our home makes me extremely

03:33:20.459 --> 03:33:21.459
sad.

03:33:21.459 --> 03:33:28.459
I hope to God we don't have to do that.

03:33:28.459 --> 03:33:33.459
Another thing.

03:33:33.459 --> 03:33:35.459
I'm a tree lover.

03:33:35.459 --> 03:33:37.459
We've planted...

03:33:37.459 --> 03:33:38.459
How many trees, Mel?

03:33:38.459 --> 03:33:39.459
I don't know.

03:33:39.459 --> 03:33:42.549
We probably have planted 40 trees in our yard since we

03:33:42.549 --> 03:33:43.459
moved there.

03:33:43.459 --> 03:33:44.459
These people are...

03:33:44.459 --> 03:33:48.459
I find this ironic that they're calling this the woodlands,

03:33:48.459 --> 03:33:53.079
but yet I hear that they're destroying 60% of the trees

03:33:53.079 --> 03:33:55.459
that are currently there.

03:33:55.459 --> 03:33:58.459
That's all I have.

03:33:58.459 --> 03:34:00.459
Commissioner Smith.

03:34:00.459 --> 03:34:01.459
Thank you, Chair.

03:34:01.459 --> 03:34:04.219
Can I ask the applicant a question about the mobility on

03:34:04.219 --> 03:34:06.459
the four-lane McKinney and what you notice?

03:34:06.459 --> 03:34:08.459
Thank you very much for coming out.

03:34:08.459 --> 03:34:09.459
I really appreciate it.

03:34:09.459 --> 03:34:11.059
I think somebody else might have a question for you in a

03:34:11.059 --> 03:34:11.459
second.

03:34:11.459 --> 03:34:13.430
The question I'm going to ask is going to address some of

03:34:13.430 --> 03:34:14.459
your traffic concerns,

03:34:14.459 --> 03:34:18.069
but if I could ask Mr. Brett a question here for you real

03:34:18.069 --> 03:34:19.459
quick behind you.

03:34:19.459 --> 03:34:26.629
On the four-lane road that's there, is there any talk about

03:34:26.629 --> 03:34:27.459
a median?

03:34:27.459 --> 03:34:29.920
Traditionally, Richard or somebody else, please let me know

03:34:29.920 --> 03:34:30.459
on four-lane roads.

03:34:30.459 --> 03:34:32.459
Do they automatically include a median?

03:34:32.459 --> 03:34:34.459
If so, is there a way to limit that to where...

03:34:34.459 --> 03:34:36.459
I know there's supposed to be a stoplight,

03:34:36.459 --> 03:34:39.700
but I guess there's not a way to build a median to where

03:34:39.700 --> 03:34:43.459
there's only a right turn only out of the complex, correct?

03:34:43.459 --> 03:34:46.209
There's not a way because they're going to be turning into

03:34:46.209 --> 03:34:46.459
...

03:34:46.459 --> 03:34:48.139
You can still build it to where you can turn into the

03:34:48.139 --> 03:34:48.459
complex,

03:34:48.459 --> 03:34:51.709
but you can't build a median and build the turn lanes to

03:34:51.709 --> 03:34:55.459
where it limits right turn only out of the complex.

03:34:55.459 --> 03:34:58.450
So you don't have people turning left to go down to Trinity

03:34:58.450 --> 03:34:59.459
and then north.

03:34:59.459 --> 03:35:00.459
Does that make sense?

03:35:00.459 --> 03:35:01.459
Because they can't get across...

03:35:01.459 --> 03:35:04.219
I can specifically think of Loop 288 right in front of LA

03:35:04.219 --> 03:35:05.459
Fitness and that 7-Eleven right there

03:35:05.459 --> 03:35:08.409
where you have to go down to the regulated stoplight to

03:35:08.409 --> 03:35:09.459
then turn left.

03:35:09.459 --> 03:35:13.459
So our concept has two roads that connect to McKinney.

03:35:13.459 --> 03:35:16.459
The southern one, that's a right in, right out.

03:35:16.459 --> 03:35:18.459
Okay.

03:35:18.459 --> 03:35:22.260
The only other one is a full median opening so you could go

03:35:22.260 --> 03:35:23.459
right in, right out.

03:35:23.459 --> 03:35:25.459
That's that full movement.

03:35:25.459 --> 03:35:26.459
And it has a left turn in.

03:35:26.459 --> 03:35:29.459
It will. Yeah. Okay. God, thanks.

03:35:29.459 --> 03:35:31.459
Commissioner Beck?

03:35:31.459 --> 03:35:34.459
Thank you, Chair.

03:35:34.459 --> 03:35:36.459
This is going to be for the developer too, but stick around

03:35:36.459 --> 03:35:36.459
.

03:35:36.459 --> 03:35:39.459
Stick around. That's okay.

03:35:39.459 --> 03:35:44.459
Mr. Murphrey?

03:35:44.459 --> 03:35:51.459
Yeah.

03:35:51.459 --> 03:35:55.459
Mr. Holloway, maybe you can help me.

03:35:55.459 --> 03:36:00.110
I just need...would like one of y'all to respond to Ms. Rep

03:36:00.110 --> 03:36:04.459
ke's comment about tree removal in this development.

03:36:04.459 --> 03:36:08.459
I understood that their comment was that they're

03:36:08.459 --> 03:36:13.360
maintaining 40% of the trees there, which means they're

03:36:13.360 --> 03:36:14.459
getting rid of 60%.

03:36:14.459 --> 03:36:16.459
Okay. Let's see.

03:36:16.459 --> 03:36:17.459
My math is correct.

03:36:17.459 --> 03:36:19.459
Okay.

03:36:19.459 --> 03:36:22.850
Cindy, let's make sure I've got this aerial here so I can

03:36:22.850 --> 03:36:27.739
...I think Cindy, on your presentation, you can see that a

03:36:27.739 --> 03:36:29.459
clean, crisp aerial.

03:36:29.459 --> 03:36:31.459
Yeah. I'll pull out mine.

03:36:31.459 --> 03:36:34.799
I like to toggle between the aerial and our concept,

03:36:34.799 --> 03:36:38.459
because you can see where we have trees, existing trees,

03:36:38.459 --> 03:36:40.459
and you see where we have green belts.

03:36:40.459 --> 03:36:42.459
I think that helps make the point.

03:36:42.459 --> 03:36:45.459
There's the aerial.

03:36:45.459 --> 03:36:49.459
And there's the concept plan.

03:36:49.459 --> 03:36:54.329
Okay. Let me go to the aerial and I'll have to bounce back

03:36:54.329 --> 03:36:55.459
and forth.

03:36:55.459 --> 03:36:58.459
I wonder if I can zoom in here.

03:36:58.459 --> 03:37:01.629
You'll actually need to put it into presentation mode just

03:37:01.629 --> 03:37:04.459
so individuals watching on TV can see the screen.

03:37:04.459 --> 03:37:05.459
Okay.

03:37:05.459 --> 03:37:07.760
So I don't know if the zoom's going to work there, but if

03:37:07.760 --> 03:37:08.459
you...

03:37:08.459 --> 03:37:09.459
Oh.

03:37:09.459 --> 03:37:12.459
Yeah, you have to hit the button for presentation.

03:37:12.459 --> 03:37:14.459
Oh. Okay.

03:37:14.459 --> 03:37:16.459
Yeah. And then if you click through...

03:37:16.459 --> 03:37:17.459
It may not zoom.

03:37:17.459 --> 03:37:21.459
Yeah, I'm not sure either.

03:37:21.459 --> 03:37:27.889
So if you'll notice, you can see the mouse or the arrow

03:37:27.889 --> 03:37:33.459
here, this is a heavily ESA tree area here.

03:37:33.459 --> 03:37:38.739
There's a little bit here back behind the existing home,

03:37:38.739 --> 03:37:42.459
and then there's more up to the north.

03:37:42.459 --> 03:37:47.459
So this heavy tree area here, we are preserving all that.

03:37:47.459 --> 03:37:49.459
We're preserving all this.

03:37:49.459 --> 03:37:53.399
Our actual percentage might be that we're preserving is

03:37:53.399 --> 03:37:58.459
likely higher than 40%, but we're trying not to...

03:37:58.459 --> 03:38:00.799
With grading and things like that, we're trying not to over

03:38:00.799 --> 03:38:01.459
commit that.

03:38:01.459 --> 03:38:04.489
We're trying to be careful and respectful of that and not

03:38:04.489 --> 03:38:05.459
overpromise.

03:38:05.459 --> 03:38:10.889
But as you can tell, those two main real heavily tree ESA

03:38:10.889 --> 03:38:14.459
areas, we're preserving those.

03:38:14.459 --> 03:38:17.540
At the same time, we're planting back a lot of mature trees

03:38:17.540 --> 03:38:20.459
that we've obligated ourselves to in our standards.

03:38:20.459 --> 03:38:23.569
Along McKinney Street, it's not a requirement, but we're

03:38:23.569 --> 03:38:30.459
putting it in, and on every single leased space as well.

03:38:30.459 --> 03:38:33.459
Have you all done a tree survey?

03:38:33.459 --> 03:38:35.459
We've done some levels of it.

03:38:35.459 --> 03:38:38.639
It's not required as part of the zoning process, but it is

03:38:38.639 --> 03:38:40.459
part of what framed our plan.

03:38:40.459 --> 03:38:43.280
So we started deciding how we're going to lay out streets

03:38:43.280 --> 03:38:44.459
and do those things.

03:38:44.459 --> 03:38:45.459
It was part of our design.

03:38:45.459 --> 03:38:46.459
Okay.

03:38:46.459 --> 03:38:48.200
So you wouldn't have a real good idea of what kind of trees

03:38:48.200 --> 03:38:49.459
you're going to have to get rid of.

03:38:49.459 --> 03:38:52.459
Hopefully not native trees or heritage trees, but...

03:38:52.459 --> 03:38:53.459
Sure.

03:38:53.459 --> 03:38:54.459
Yeah.

03:38:54.459 --> 03:38:55.459
Okay.

03:38:55.459 --> 03:38:57.340
That was the case that we came across a heritage tree that

03:38:57.340 --> 03:38:58.459
fell in the middle of the park.

03:38:58.459 --> 03:39:00.459
We'd preserve it and hold out that stand.

03:39:00.459 --> 03:39:02.459
Okay.

03:39:02.459 --> 03:39:06.020
A tree preservation plan will be required during the

03:39:06.020 --> 03:39:07.459
planting process.

03:39:07.459 --> 03:39:08.459
Right.

03:39:08.459 --> 03:39:13.420
And they are required to preserve a certain percentage of

03:39:13.420 --> 03:39:17.479
the high quality trees as well as a certain percentage of

03:39:17.479 --> 03:39:18.459
the secondary trees.

03:39:18.459 --> 03:39:22.719
Any trees that they remove that has to be mitigated on a

03:39:22.719 --> 03:39:27.459
certain ratio, which is higher than what they removed.

03:39:27.459 --> 03:39:28.459
Right.

03:39:28.459 --> 03:39:29.459
Thanks for sharing that.

03:39:29.459 --> 03:39:32.209
That kind of covers an area that a lot of us have a concern

03:39:32.209 --> 03:39:32.459
about.

03:39:32.459 --> 03:39:35.459
Does that help a little bit, Ms. Rethke?

03:39:35.459 --> 03:39:36.459
It's still static.

03:39:36.459 --> 03:39:37.459
I know.

03:39:37.459 --> 03:39:38.459
And me too.

03:39:38.459 --> 03:39:41.399
I hate to see any trees go, but whether they're native or

03:39:41.399 --> 03:39:45.459
heritage or what, even old mesquite trees.

03:39:45.459 --> 03:39:46.459
Thank you, Ms. Rethke.

03:39:46.459 --> 03:39:47.459
I did not see any other questions.

03:39:47.459 --> 03:39:48.459
Thank you.

03:39:48.459 --> 03:39:49.459
Thank you.

03:39:49.459 --> 03:39:53.399
As a point of order, the Chair would just like to ask if

03:39:53.399 --> 03:39:56.649
the commissioners could try to ask questions to the

03:39:56.649 --> 03:39:57.459
applicant.

03:39:57.459 --> 03:40:00.209
If there's questions, I mean, the presenter, the speaker,

03:40:00.209 --> 03:40:02.889
if there's questions to the applicant or the city, let's do

03:40:02.889 --> 03:40:05.920
that at the end just for the sake of respecting everyone's

03:40:05.920 --> 03:40:06.459
time.

03:40:06.459 --> 03:40:08.459
We just have presenters come up and ask questions of them.

03:40:08.459 --> 03:40:11.209
And then if there's questions they bring up that need to be

03:40:11.209 --> 03:40:13.309
addressed, let's make note of them and make sure we do

03:40:13.309 --> 03:40:15.459
address everyone's citizens' questions.

03:40:15.459 --> 03:40:17.459
We can do that at the end.

03:40:17.459 --> 03:40:19.459
Thank you for that consideration.

03:40:19.459 --> 03:40:30.459
Next up is Ronald Basher.

03:40:30.459 --> 03:40:32.059
If you could just state your name and address for the

03:40:32.059 --> 03:40:32.459
record.

03:40:32.459 --> 03:40:34.459
Thank you for the opportunity to come here.

03:40:34.459 --> 03:40:36.459
I'm Ronald Basher.

03:40:36.459 --> 03:40:38.459
I'm in 1108 Lakeview Boulevard.

03:40:38.459 --> 03:40:43.459
And we've been there about 10 years now.

03:40:43.459 --> 03:40:48.670
What I want to try to cover here is some additional things

03:40:48.670 --> 03:40:53.989
that I see that needs to be brought out or expressed anyway

03:40:53.989 --> 03:40:54.459
.

03:40:54.459 --> 03:40:57.889
As you've seen and heard, my fellow members have taken the

03:40:57.889 --> 03:41:01.120
time to come here and voice their grave concerns for the

03:41:01.120 --> 03:41:04.850
ramifications of allowing this project to go forward before

03:41:04.850 --> 03:41:10.049
the proper infrastructure in the place is in place to

03:41:10.049 --> 03:41:12.459
handle the new subdivision.

03:41:12.459 --> 03:41:17.709
And this is a subdivision that not -- this is not a car

03:41:17.709 --> 03:41:20.459
wash or something being built.

03:41:20.459 --> 03:41:25.459
This is a great 500-house subdivision being built here.

03:41:25.459 --> 03:41:30.000
And the planning report tends to gloss over a lot of the

03:41:30.000 --> 03:41:35.459
issues about this high-density 500 new home project.

03:41:35.459 --> 03:41:40.090
Now, I understand it's really only the tip of the iceberg

03:41:40.090 --> 03:41:45.290
as you brought up that there's going to be 1,000 or more

03:41:45.290 --> 03:41:49.389
still coming that are going to be on Mills as well as

03:41:49.389 --> 03:41:53.459
Trinity, which leaps over into our section.

03:41:53.459 --> 03:41:58.139
The notification map and the pathetic notification of this

03:41:58.139 --> 03:42:02.920
project, as far as I'm concerned, exposes the project to be

03:42:02.920 --> 03:42:07.649
many -- to the many neighborhoods that are around here, in

03:42:07.649 --> 03:42:12.159
some of our opinions, smacks of a deception on the part of

03:42:12.159 --> 03:42:15.920
the planning commission to push the project through without

03:42:15.920 --> 03:42:17.459
exposure to the public.

03:42:17.459 --> 03:42:24.149
Thus, no notifications or opposition requests or whatever

03:42:24.149 --> 03:42:30.200
were sent back to you because the area covered, which you

03:42:30.200 --> 03:42:35.170
showed these little 500-foot limits on that, doesn't

03:42:35.170 --> 03:42:39.459
represent what this project actually affects.

03:42:39.459 --> 03:42:45.020
This development requires major street upgrades, storm

03:42:45.020 --> 03:42:50.459
surge, surge capacity upgrades in a place before subdiv

03:42:50.459 --> 03:42:55.459
ision of this magnitude are allowed to continue.

03:42:55.459 --> 03:43:00.860
What I understand is that this project has been -- if it is

03:43:00.860 --> 03:43:05.989
given a go-ahead, it will be ready in about a year and a

03:43:05.989 --> 03:43:11.850
half or 20 months or whatever, and it will turn -- in turn

03:43:11.850 --> 03:43:16.899
be dumping a lot of traffic onto very unsatisfactory

03:43:16.899 --> 03:43:19.459
streets to handle it.

03:43:19.459 --> 03:43:23.719
For my question is that if I got to take the exemption --

03:43:23.719 --> 03:43:28.370
take exemption with the development of the traffic flow,

03:43:28.370 --> 03:43:32.920
which can we have that map show where your traffic comes up

03:43:32.920 --> 03:43:37.670
and goes either over to McKinney or McKinney to Mayhill or

03:43:37.670 --> 03:43:40.459
it goes up through Lakeview?

03:43:40.459 --> 03:43:46.459
Where is that map for?

03:43:46.459 --> 03:43:51.840
Anyway, what -- where does the commission envision the 500

03:43:51.840 --> 03:43:56.540
or so vehicles traveling in and out of this new subdivision

03:43:56.540 --> 03:43:58.459
every day travel on?

03:43:58.459 --> 03:44:02.459
Evidently, it is out on poor old McKinney Avenue.

03:44:02.459 --> 03:44:04.459
Yes, thank you.

03:44:04.459 --> 03:44:08.090
I guarantee you that after a day or two of fighting the

03:44:08.090 --> 03:44:12.079
traffic with vehicles going out of Ryan High School and

03:44:12.079 --> 03:44:16.020
dealing with the Mayhill-McKinney intersection trying to

03:44:16.020 --> 03:44:20.290
get over to 288, there will not be turning right to go on

03:44:20.290 --> 03:44:21.459
McKinney.

03:44:21.459 --> 03:44:25.459
They will be turning left to go over to South Trinity Road.

03:44:25.459 --> 03:44:30.110
So I would bet that one-third of the residents are going to

03:44:30.110 --> 03:44:35.139
be seeking to go up Trinity towards 380 because a lot of

03:44:35.139 --> 03:44:40.129
them are going to be working east on 380 out of the Denton

03:44:40.129 --> 03:44:41.459
Township.

03:44:41.459 --> 03:44:46.110
So after we head north on Trinity, dodging all the dumped

03:44:46.110 --> 03:44:51.239
sofas, refrigerators, trash full of dirty diapers, dumped

03:44:51.239 --> 03:44:55.590
on the road by an end of the stream leading to Lake Louis

03:44:55.590 --> 03:45:00.270
ville, all this crap being dumped by the two existing mobile

03:45:00.270 --> 03:45:04.459
home parks, residents that are adjacent to this project.

03:45:04.459 --> 03:45:08.690
Then as they continue north, they will cross a one-lane

03:45:08.690 --> 03:45:11.459
bridge onto Lakeview Boulevard.

03:45:11.459 --> 03:45:15.819
Lakeview Avenue is the community's only access north and

03:45:15.819 --> 03:45:18.459
south out of that subdivision.

03:45:18.459 --> 03:45:23.620
I would estimate that there's already about 500 to 750

03:45:23.620 --> 03:45:27.459
vehicles a day coming and going from 380.

03:45:27.459 --> 03:45:32.069
Some of the traffic has included semi-rock haulers, which I

03:45:32.069 --> 03:45:35.459
'm sure will increase with this project.

03:45:35.459 --> 03:45:38.920
I'm curious as to how the construction in and out of all

03:45:38.920 --> 03:45:42.500
the materials are going to be handled getting into this

03:45:42.500 --> 03:45:43.459
project.

03:45:43.459 --> 03:45:47.600
I'm not sure if the one-lane bridge is rated to handle that

03:45:47.600 --> 03:45:48.459
weight.

03:45:48.459 --> 03:45:52.399
Lakeview was not designated to handle this kind of traffic

03:45:52.399 --> 03:45:55.899
and now will be asked to handle that much more traffic

03:45:55.899 --> 03:45:59.709
being added to the new subdivision, being added by this new

03:45:59.709 --> 03:46:00.459
subdivision.

03:46:00.459 --> 03:46:05.819
Without the proposed new bridge, which if you were talking

03:46:05.819 --> 03:46:10.870
about that little crook that takes off right there at the

03:46:10.870 --> 03:46:16.450
creek, supposedly, and talking to the people who built that

03:46:16.450 --> 03:46:18.459
temporary bridge,

03:46:18.459 --> 03:46:24.709
they're going to be taking off to the left going up through

03:46:24.709 --> 03:46:30.940
around to the west of our subdivision with a big new street

03:46:30.940 --> 03:46:31.459
.

03:46:31.459 --> 03:46:36.379
Now, you're going to build this bridge, but it's going to

03:46:36.379 --> 03:46:39.659
be 20 years before you get the rest of the road built up to

03:46:39.659 --> 03:46:41.459
380, is what I'm understanding.

03:46:41.459 --> 03:46:45.459
That is unacceptable.

03:46:45.459 --> 03:46:48.409
Without the proposed new bridge and a proposed three and

03:46:48.409 --> 03:46:51.389
four lane street that is being planned to pass to the west

03:46:51.389 --> 03:46:58.930
of the subdivision and on up to Highway 380 and not being

03:46:58.930 --> 03:47:00.459
in place,

03:47:00.459 --> 03:47:03.680
this commission is really selling the Lakeview Ranch

03:47:03.680 --> 03:47:05.459
community down the river.

03:47:05.459 --> 03:47:08.879
You will be dumping all the new subdivision traffic into

03:47:08.879 --> 03:47:11.459
streets that were not designed for it.

03:47:11.459 --> 03:47:15.409
So to close in reading the politically correct mission or

03:47:15.409 --> 03:47:19.620
vision statement on page two of this planning proposal, it

03:47:19.620 --> 03:47:23.459
seems that this proposal misses almost every key focus

03:47:23.459 --> 03:47:25.459
mentioned.

03:47:25.459 --> 03:47:30.659
This proposal seems that it is an economic development

03:47:30.659 --> 03:47:36.409
project, but at whose expense? Evidently of the existing

03:47:36.409 --> 03:47:42.059
and very thriving and heavily taxed community surrounding

03:47:42.059 --> 03:47:44.459
it is who this expense is going to be based on.

03:47:44.459 --> 03:47:48.879
It also doesn't seek to advance safety issues that would be

03:47:48.879 --> 03:47:53.209
caused by the development as well as the livability of the

03:47:53.209 --> 03:47:58.090
already neighboring family friendly community of Lakeview

03:47:58.090 --> 03:48:02.459
Ranch HOA that is already there.

03:48:02.459 --> 03:48:05.920
Building the subdivision before the infrastructure in place

03:48:05.920 --> 03:48:08.979
is like putting the cart before the horse. Thank you for

03:48:08.979 --> 03:48:09.459
your time.

03:48:09.459 --> 03:48:11.459
Any questions?

03:48:11.459 --> 03:48:15.510
I don't see any questions. Thank you. We'll make sure to

03:48:15.510 --> 03:48:19.079
get an answer on your construction pathway question of how

03:48:19.079 --> 03:48:20.459
trucks will be getting in.

03:48:20.459 --> 03:48:25.459
Next person to speak is Doug Herzog.

03:48:25.459 --> 03:48:28.459
All right.

03:48:28.459 --> 03:48:31.459
As a reminder, we are allowing for six minutes to speak.

03:48:31.459 --> 03:48:33.629
Typically it's three minutes, but since we have two public

03:48:33.629 --> 03:48:36.079
hearing items open at the same time, we're just combining

03:48:36.079 --> 03:48:36.459
time.

03:48:36.459 --> 03:48:41.459
So you have six minutes.

03:48:41.459 --> 03:48:45.459
I am a resident of Lakeview Ranch.

03:48:45.459 --> 03:48:49.459
I would like to

03:48:49.459 --> 03:48:59.649
I want to state that it's been danced around, but I want to

03:48:59.649 --> 03:49:07.549
state this overtly instead of covertly. The reason we're

03:49:07.549 --> 03:49:07.879
concerned about the traffic on Trinity and Lakeview is

03:49:07.879 --> 03:49:08.190
because it takes less time to get from this area of the

03:49:08.190 --> 03:49:09.459
proposed rezoning to

03:49:09.459 --> 03:49:13.459
380 at Lakeview than it does to go the other way around

03:49:13.459 --> 03:49:17.299
today. What it's going to be in the future, I don't know

03:49:17.299 --> 03:49:20.459
because those roads aren't finished yet.

03:49:20.459 --> 03:49:25.090
But today it is easier. The solution to our concerns, I

03:49:25.090 --> 03:49:29.629
really liked your idea of narrowing the lanes with paint

03:49:29.629 --> 03:49:34.559
with the caveat that you add turps, little turtles, so that

03:49:34.559 --> 03:49:39.459
someone gets an audible warning before they hit all these

03:49:39.459 --> 03:49:41.459
folks' mailboxes.

03:49:41.459 --> 03:49:49.079
That would be a grand idea. And the solution is not speed

03:49:49.079 --> 03:49:52.459
bumps. That just delays emergency response. And being a

03:49:52.459 --> 03:49:56.360
survivor of a house fire that was a chimney fire that had

03:49:56.360 --> 03:50:00.459
the train go by, if a train had been on the railroad tracks

03:50:00.459 --> 03:50:03.459
, the fire department said my house would have burnt to the

03:50:03.459 --> 03:50:03.459
ground.

03:50:03.459 --> 03:50:10.389
So speed and time is of the essence. The solution to the

03:50:10.389 --> 03:50:13.459
problem is stop signs.

03:50:13.459 --> 03:50:18.899
I would like next to address the homeless situation and how

03:50:18.899 --> 03:50:23.459
it corresponds to the proposed development.

03:50:23.459 --> 03:50:28.459
I believe the city of Denton has a plethora of apartments.

03:50:28.459 --> 03:50:36.260
And more coming. The reason homeless people are homeless is

03:50:36.260 --> 03:50:40.840
one of the reasons is not because they can't buy a $250,000

03:50:40.840 --> 03:50:44.459
home. They can't afford an apartment in this town.

03:50:44.459 --> 03:50:51.879
The applicant has told us that his residences will cost

03:50:51.879 --> 03:50:58.459
about the same as an apartment to the residents.

03:50:58.459 --> 03:51:04.459
This is not a solution to the homeless situation.

03:51:04.459 --> 03:51:11.850
I worked for a residential land developer in the Metroplex

03:51:11.850 --> 03:51:17.200
for 18 years. My major responsibility for that developer

03:51:17.200 --> 03:51:20.459
was running the three homeowners associations.

03:51:20.459 --> 03:51:33.700
And at its maturity, I had over 4,000 homes under my pur

03:51:33.700 --> 03:51:35.459
view. I am well versed in political correctness.

03:51:35.459 --> 03:51:44.000
I am well versed in terminology. And I am well versed in

03:51:44.000 --> 03:51:51.290
the use of it in deception by homeowners who want

03:51:51.290 --> 03:51:55.459
architectural approvals.

03:51:55.459 --> 03:52:04.120
And just overall general, you can imagine the homeowners

03:52:04.120 --> 03:52:10.850
association issues that come up. And people trying to

03:52:10.850 --> 03:52:14.329
present their issue in a more pleasant light than it

03:52:14.329 --> 03:52:15.459
actually is.

03:52:15.459 --> 03:52:19.020
And I am well versed in recognizing that. And I do have a

03:52:19.020 --> 03:52:22.520
couple of concerns. The gentleman that works for the

03:52:22.520 --> 03:52:26.459
engineering company, as he was doing his presentation,

03:52:26.459 --> 03:52:34.459
listed a whole host of amenities that this proposed

03:52:34.459 --> 03:52:41.459
development has or is going to --

03:52:41.459 --> 03:52:45.620
some of the amenities he said they are going to have in a

03:52:45.620 --> 03:52:49.459
different part of his presentation segment.

03:52:49.459 --> 03:52:57.260
He listed a whole bunch of amenities and it was implied

03:52:57.260 --> 03:53:05.280
that this development was going to have them. But he did

03:53:05.280 --> 03:53:13.110
not actually say that this development is going to have

03:53:13.110 --> 03:53:14.459
them.

03:53:14.459 --> 03:53:20.389
I believe you, sir, had a whole lot of -- working for a

03:53:20.389 --> 03:53:25.450
residential land developer, I am not in the camp of no more

03:53:25.450 --> 03:53:31.459
-- no additional traffic on Trinity or Lake V Ranch.

03:53:31.459 --> 03:53:36.840
I know more development is coming. And I know it is not

03:53:36.840 --> 03:53:42.450
going to be one house on five acres. I know it is not going

03:53:42.450 --> 03:53:45.459
to be one house on one acre. It is going to be more density

03:53:45.459 --> 03:53:45.459
than that.

03:53:45.459 --> 03:53:51.610
That kind of density is not where the residential

03:53:51.610 --> 03:54:00.610
marketplace is. It just isn't. We developed a 3,000 unit

03:54:00.610 --> 03:54:07.450
subdivision on 2,000 acres adjacent to another subdivision

03:54:07.450 --> 03:54:10.459
that was building -- I don't remember what it was --

03:54:10.459 --> 03:54:21.409
100 units on three to five acre lots. We built like 300 to

03:54:21.409 --> 03:54:27.100
one. I don't remember what the ratio was. It is not going

03:54:27.100 --> 03:54:31.459
to be that low of a density. It is going to be higher.

03:54:31.459 --> 03:54:34.659
But your issue is how is that going to -- how is the

03:54:34.659 --> 03:54:38.389
traffic going to flow and what is it going to take to get

03:54:38.389 --> 03:54:42.459
all these houses, all these residents around on traffic?

03:54:42.459 --> 03:54:45.620
And the answer is it is going to be infrastructure that the

03:54:45.620 --> 03:54:49.459
city is going to have to build. But more than that is how

03:54:49.459 --> 03:54:53.459
is that infrastructure going to be paid for?

03:54:53.459 --> 03:54:58.110
And it is going to be paid for by the residents. And that

03:54:58.110 --> 03:55:02.659
tax -- resident taxes. And that tax is not taxed on the

03:55:02.659 --> 03:55:07.459
basis of density. It is based on property values.

03:55:07.459 --> 03:55:15.840
And a $40,000 house is not going to support the additional

03:55:15.840 --> 03:55:22.309
road -- all infrastructure that is going to be needed to

03:55:22.309 --> 03:55:28.459
support the five point whatever units per acre.

03:55:28.459 --> 03:55:37.459
And that is going to be the way it is going to be paid for.

03:55:37.459 --> 03:55:38.459
And it is not going to work.

03:55:38.459 --> 03:55:43.459
>> We actually have a question for you. Commissioner Smith.

03:55:43.459 --> 03:55:46.709
>> We will ask the applicant a little bit about the

03:55:46.709 --> 03:55:49.459
question she had about the amenities. We lost that lady

03:55:49.459 --> 03:55:49.459
again.

03:55:49.459 --> 03:55:51.659
>> I want to ask you about the land. I know there are a

03:55:51.659 --> 03:55:54.159
couple of other folks who want to speak publicly. And that

03:55:54.159 --> 03:55:56.559
is that everyone understands and knows that at some point

03:55:56.559 --> 03:55:58.459
in time this land is going to be developed.

03:55:58.459 --> 03:56:01.459
>> Sure.

03:56:01.459 --> 03:56:04.459
>> At some point in time. So if it is not 500 units, is it

03:56:04.459 --> 03:56:07.430
we are okay with 400 units or 300 units? I am not

03:56:07.430 --> 03:56:10.290
suggesting we -- or zoning or telling the applicant, hey,

03:56:10.290 --> 03:56:15.459
they are okay with 200 units. You can only do 200.

03:56:15.459 --> 03:56:20.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

03:56:20.459 --> 03:56:25.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:34:07.459 --> 04:34:09.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:34:59.459 --> 04:35:01.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:35:01.459 --> 04:35:03.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:35:03.459 --> 04:35:05.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:35:05.459 --> 04:35:07.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:35:07.459 --> 04:35:09.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:35:13.459 --> 04:35:15.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:35:47.459 --> 04:35:49.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:35:51.459 --> 04:35:53.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:35:53.459 --> 04:35:55.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:35:55.459 --> 04:35:57.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:35:59.459 --> 04:36:01.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:36:01.459 --> 04:36:03.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:36:03.459 --> 04:36:05.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:36:05.459 --> 04:36:07.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:36:07.459 --> 04:36:09.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:36:09.459 --> 04:36:11.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:36:13.459 --> 04:36:15.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:36:27.459 --> 04:36:29.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:36:33.459 --> 04:36:35.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:36:45.459 --> 04:36:47.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:36:47.459 --> 04:36:49.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:36:49.459 --> 04:36:51.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:36:55.459 --> 04:36:57.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:36:59.459 --> 04:37:01.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:37:01.459 --> 04:37:03.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:37:03.459 --> 04:37:05.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:37:05.459 --> 04:37:07.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:37:07.459 --> 04:37:09.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:37:09.459 --> 04:37:11.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:37:11.459 --> 04:37:13.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:37:13.459 --> 04:37:15.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:37:15.459 --> 04:37:17.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:37:17.459 --> 04:37:19.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:37:21.459 --> 04:37:23.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:37:23.459 --> 04:37:25.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:37:25.459 --> 04:37:27.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:37:27.459 --> 04:37:29.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:37:29.459 --> 04:37:31.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:37:31.459 --> 04:37:33.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:37:33.459 --> 04:37:35.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:37:35.459 --> 04:37:37.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:37:37.459 --> 04:37:39.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:37:39.459 --> 04:37:41.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:37:41.459 --> 04:37:43.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:37:43.459 --> 04:37:45.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:37:45.459 --> 04:37:47.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:37:47.459 --> 04:37:49.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:37:49.459 --> 04:37:51.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:37:51.459 --> 04:37:53.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:37:53.459 --> 04:37:55.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:37:55.459 --> 04:37:57.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:37:57.459 --> 04:37:59.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:37:59.459 --> 04:38:01.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:38:01.459 --> 04:38:03.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:38:03.459 --> 04:38:05.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:38:05.459 --> 04:38:07.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:38:07.459 --> 04:38:09.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:38:09.459 --> 04:38:11.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:38:11.459 --> 04:38:13.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:38:13.459 --> 04:38:15.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:38:15.459 --> 04:38:17.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:38:17.459 --> 04:38:19.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:38:21.459 --> 04:38:23.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:38:23.459 --> 04:38:25.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:38:25.459 --> 04:38:27.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:38:27.459 --> 04:38:29.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:38:29.459 --> 04:38:31.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:38:31.459 --> 04:38:33.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:38:33.459 --> 04:38:35.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:38:35.459 --> 04:38:37.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:38:37.459 --> 04:38:39.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:38:39.459 --> 04:38:41.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:38:41.459 --> 04:38:43.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:38:43.459 --> 04:38:45.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:38:45.459 --> 04:38:47.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:38:47.459 --> 04:38:49.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:38:49.459 --> 04:38:51.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:38:51.459 --> 04:38:53.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:38:53.459 --> 04:38:55.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:38:55.459 --> 04:38:57.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:38:57.459 --> 04:38:59.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:38:59.459 --> 04:39:01.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:39:01.459 --> 04:39:03.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:39:03.459 --> 04:39:05.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:39:05.459 --> 04:39:07.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:39:07.459 --> 04:39:09.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:39:09.459 --> 04:39:11.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:39:11.459 --> 04:39:13.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:39:13.459 --> 04:39:15.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:39:15.459 --> 04:39:17.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:39:17.459 --> 04:39:19.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:39:23.459 --> 04:39:25.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:39:25.459 --> 04:39:27.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:39:27.459 --> 04:39:29.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:39:29.459 --> 04:39:31.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:39:31.459 --> 04:39:33.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:39:33.459 --> 04:39:35.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:39:35.459 --> 04:39:37.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:39:37.459 --> 04:39:39.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:39:39.459 --> 04:39:41.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:39:41.459 --> 04:39:43.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:39:43.459 --> 04:39:45.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:39:45.459 --> 04:39:47.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:39:47.459 --> 04:39:49.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:39:49.459 --> 04:39:51.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:39:51.459 --> 04:39:53.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:39:53.459 --> 04:39:55.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:39:55.459 --> 04:39:57.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:39:57.459 --> 04:39:59.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:39:59.459 --> 04:40:01.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:40:01.459 --> 04:40:03.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:40:03.459 --> 04:40:05.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:40:05.459 --> 04:40:07.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:40:07.459 --> 04:40:09.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:40:09.459 --> 04:40:11.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:40:11.459 --> 04:40:13.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:40:13.459 --> 04:40:15.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:40:15.459 --> 04:40:17.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:40:17.459 --> 04:40:19.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:40:19.459 --> 04:40:21.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:43:59.459 --> 04:44:01.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:44:07.459 --> 04:44:09.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:44:59.459 --> 04:45:01.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:45:07.459 --> 04:45:09.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:45:59.459 --> 04:46:01.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:46:01.459 --> 04:46:03.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:46:03.459 --> 04:46:05.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:46:05.459 --> 04:46:07.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:46:07.459 --> 04:46:09.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:46:09.459 --> 04:46:11.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:46:25.459 --> 04:46:27.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:46:27.459 --> 04:46:29.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:46:29.459 --> 04:46:31.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:46:33.459 --> 04:46:35.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:46:35.459 --> 04:46:37.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:46:47.459 --> 04:46:49.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:46:59.459 --> 04:47:01.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:47:01.459 --> 04:47:03.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:47:05.459 --> 04:47:07.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:47:07.459 --> 04:47:09.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:47:13.459 --> 04:47:15.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:47:27.459 --> 04:47:29.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:47:33.459 --> 04:47:35.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:47:55.459 --> 04:47:57.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:47:57.459 --> 04:47:59.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:47:59.459 --> 04:48:01.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:48:01.459 --> 04:48:03.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:48:03.459 --> 04:48:05.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:48:05.459 --> 04:48:07.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:48:07.459 --> 04:48:09.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:48:09.459 --> 04:48:11.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:48:13.459 --> 04:48:15.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:48:15.459 --> 04:48:17.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:48:17.459 --> 04:48:19.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:48:23.459 --> 04:48:25.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:48:25.459 --> 04:48:27.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:48:27.459 --> 04:48:29.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:48:29.459 --> 04:48:31.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:48:31.459 --> 04:48:33.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:48:33.459 --> 04:48:35.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:48:35.459 --> 04:48:37.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:48:37.459 --> 04:48:39.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:48:47.459 --> 04:48:49.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:48:49.459 --> 04:48:51.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:48:51.459 --> 04:48:53.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:48:53.459 --> 04:48:55.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:48:55.459 --> 04:48:57.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:48:57.459 --> 04:48:59.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:48:59.459 --> 04:49:01.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:49:01.459 --> 04:49:03.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:49:03.459 --> 04:49:05.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:49:05.459 --> 04:49:07.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:49:07.459 --> 04:49:09.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:52:01.459 --> 04:52:03.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:52:05.459 --> 04:52:07.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:52:07.459 --> 04:52:09.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:52:09.459 --> 04:52:11.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:52:13.459 --> 04:52:15.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:52:27.459 --> 04:52:29.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:52:29.459 --> 04:52:31.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:52:33.459 --> 04:52:35.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:52:55.459 --> 04:52:57.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:52:57.459 --> 04:52:59.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:52:59.459 --> 04:53:01.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:53:01.459 --> 04:53:03.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:53:05.459 --> 04:53:07.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:53:07.459 --> 04:53:09.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:53:09.459 --> 04:53:11.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:53:13.459 --> 04:53:15.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:53:27.459 --> 04:53:29.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:53:59.459 --> 04:54:01.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:54:05.459 --> 04:54:07.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:54:07.459 --> 04:54:09.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:54:37.459 --> 04:54:39.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:54:45.459 --> 04:54:47.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:54:47.459 --> 04:54:49.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:54:49.459 --> 04:54:51.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:54:51.459 --> 04:54:53.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:54:53.459 --> 04:54:55.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:54:55.459 --> 04:54:57.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:54:57.459 --> 04:54:59.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:54:59.459 --> 04:55:01.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:55:01.459 --> 04:55:03.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:55:03.459 --> 04:55:05.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:55:05.459 --> 04:55:07.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:55:07.459 --> 04:55:09.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:55:09.459 --> 04:55:11.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:55:11.459 --> 04:55:13.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:55:13.459 --> 04:55:15.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:55:15.459 --> 04:55:17.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:55:17.459 --> 04:55:19.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:55:19.459 --> 04:55:21.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:55:23.459 --> 04:55:25.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:55:25.459 --> 04:55:27.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:55:27.459 --> 04:55:29.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:55:29.459 --> 04:55:31.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:55:31.459 --> 04:55:33.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:55:33.459 --> 04:55:35.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:55:35.459 --> 04:55:37.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:55:37.459 --> 04:55:39.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:55:39.459 --> 04:55:41.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:55:45.459 --> 04:55:47.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:55:51.459 --> 04:55:53.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:55:55.459 --> 04:55:57.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:55:57.459 --> 04:55:59.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:55:59.459 --> 04:56:01.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:56:01.459 --> 04:56:03.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:56:03.459 --> 04:56:05.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:56:05.459 --> 04:56:07.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:56:07.459 --> 04:56:09.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:56:09.459 --> 04:56:11.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:56:11.459 --> 04:56:13.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:56:13.459 --> 04:56:15.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:56:15.459 --> 04:56:17.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:56:23.459 --> 04:56:25.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:56:25.459 --> 04:56:27.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:56:27.459 --> 04:56:29.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:56:29.459 --> 04:56:31.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:56:31.459 --> 04:56:33.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:56:33.459 --> 04:56:35.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:56:35.459 --> 04:56:37.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:56:37.459 --> 04:56:39.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:56:41.459 --> 04:56:43.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:56:45.459 --> 04:56:47.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:56:47.459 --> 04:56:49.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:56:49.459 --> 04:56:51.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:56:55.459 --> 04:56:57.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:56:57.459 --> 04:56:59.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:56:59.459 --> 04:57:01.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:57:01.459 --> 04:57:03.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:57:03.459 --> 04:57:05.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:57:05.459 --> 04:57:07.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:57:07.459 --> 04:57:09.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:57:09.459 --> 04:57:11.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:57:11.459 --> 04:57:13.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:57:13.459 --> 04:57:15.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:57:15.459 --> 04:57:17.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:57:17.459 --> 04:57:19.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:57:19.459 --> 04:57:21.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:57:21.459 --> 04:57:23.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:57:23.459 --> 04:57:25.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:57:25.459 --> 04:57:27.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:57:27.459 --> 04:57:29.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:57:29.459 --> 04:57:31.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:57:31.459 --> 04:57:33.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:57:33.459 --> 04:57:35.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:57:35.459 --> 04:57:37.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:57:37.459 --> 04:57:39.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:57:39.459 --> 04:57:41.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:57:41.459 --> 04:57:43.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:57:43.459 --> 04:57:45.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:57:45.459 --> 04:57:47.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:57:47.459 --> 04:57:49.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:57:49.459 --> 04:57:51.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:57:51.459 --> 04:57:53.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

04:57:53.459 --> 04:57:55.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:29:59.459 --> 05:30:01.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:30:01.459 --> 05:30:03.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:30:07.459 --> 05:30:09.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:30:27.459 --> 05:30:29.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:31:05.459 --> 05:31:07.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:31:07.459 --> 05:31:09.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:31:27.459 --> 05:31:29.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:31:33.459 --> 05:31:35.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:31:35.459 --> 05:31:37.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:31:37.459 --> 05:31:39.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:32:01.459 --> 05:32:03.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:32:05.459 --> 05:32:07.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:32:07.459 --> 05:32:09.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:32:09.459 --> 05:32:11.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:32:17.459 --> 05:32:19.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:32:27.459 --> 05:32:29.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:34:59.459 --> 05:35:01.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:35:01.459 --> 05:35:03.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:35:05.459 --> 05:35:07.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:35:07.459 --> 05:35:09.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:35:09.459 --> 05:35:11.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:35:25.459 --> 05:35:27.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:35:27.459 --> 05:35:29.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:35:29.459 --> 05:35:31.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:35:37.459 --> 05:35:39.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:35:47.459 --> 05:35:49.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:35:49.459 --> 05:35:51.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:35:51.459 --> 05:35:53.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:35:53.459 --> 05:35:55.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:35:57.459 --> 05:35:59.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:35:59.459 --> 05:36:01.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:36:01.459 --> 05:36:03.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:36:03.459 --> 05:36:05.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:36:05.459 --> 05:36:07.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:36:07.459 --> 05:36:09.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:36:09.459 --> 05:36:11.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:36:11.459 --> 05:36:13.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:36:13.459 --> 05:36:15.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:36:15.459 --> 05:36:17.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:36:17.459 --> 05:36:19.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:36:19.459 --> 05:36:21.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:36:21.459 --> 05:36:23.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:36:23.459 --> 05:36:25.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:36:25.459 --> 05:36:27.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:36:27.459 --> 05:36:29.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:36:29.459 --> 05:36:31.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:36:31.459 --> 05:36:33.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:36:33.459 --> 05:36:35.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:36:35.459 --> 05:36:37.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:36:37.459 --> 05:36:39.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:36:39.459 --> 05:36:41.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:36:41.459 --> 05:36:43.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:36:43.459 --> 05:36:45.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:36:45.459 --> 05:36:47.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:36:47.459 --> 05:36:49.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:36:49.459 --> 05:36:51.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:36:51.459 --> 05:36:53.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:36:53.459 --> 05:36:55.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:36:55.459 --> 05:36:57.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:36:57.459 --> 05:36:59.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:36:59.459 --> 05:37:01.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:37:01.459 --> 05:37:03.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:37:03.459 --> 05:37:05.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:37:05.459 --> 05:37:07.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:37:07.459 --> 05:37:09.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:37:09.459 --> 05:37:11.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:37:11.459 --> 05:37:13.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:37:13.459 --> 05:37:15.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:37:15.459 --> 05:37:17.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:37:17.459 --> 05:37:19.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:37:19.459 --> 05:37:21.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:37:23.459 --> 05:37:25.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:37:25.459 --> 05:37:27.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:37:27.459 --> 05:37:29.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:37:29.459 --> 05:37:31.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:37:31.459 --> 05:37:33.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:37:33.459 --> 05:37:35.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:37:37.459 --> 05:37:39.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:37:47.459 --> 05:37:49.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:37:51.459 --> 05:37:53.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:37:53.459 --> 05:37:55.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:37:59.459 --> 05:38:01.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:38:01.459 --> 05:38:03.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:38:03.459 --> 05:38:05.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:38:05.459 --> 05:38:07.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:38:07.459 --> 05:38:09.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:38:09.459 --> 05:38:11.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:38:11.459 --> 05:38:13.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:38:13.459 --> 05:38:15.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:38:15.459 --> 05:38:17.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:38:17.459 --> 05:38:19.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:38:19.459 --> 05:38:21.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:38:21.459 --> 05:38:23.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:38:23.459 --> 05:38:25.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:38:25.459 --> 05:38:27.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:38:27.459 --> 05:38:29.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:38:29.459 --> 05:38:31.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:38:31.459 --> 05:38:33.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:38:33.459 --> 05:38:35.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:38:35.459 --> 05:38:37.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:38:37.459 --> 05:38:39.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:38:39.459 --> 05:38:41.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:38:41.459 --> 05:38:43.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:38:43.459 --> 05:38:45.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:38:45.459 --> 05:38:47.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:38:47.459 --> 05:38:49.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:38:49.459 --> 05:38:51.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:38:51.459 --> 05:38:53.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:38:53.459 --> 05:38:55.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:38:55.459 --> 05:38:57.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:38:57.459 --> 05:38:59.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:38:59.459 --> 05:39:01.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:39:01.459 --> 05:39:03.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:39:03.459 --> 05:39:05.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:39:05.459 --> 05:39:07.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:39:07.459 --> 05:39:09.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:39:09.459 --> 05:39:11.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:39:11.459 --> 05:39:13.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:39:13.459 --> 05:39:15.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:39:15.459 --> 05:39:17.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:39:17.459 --> 05:39:19.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:39:19.459 --> 05:39:21.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:39:21.459 --> 05:39:23.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:39:23.459 --> 05:39:25.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:39:25.459 --> 05:39:27.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:39:27.459 --> 05:39:29.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:39:29.459 --> 05:39:31.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:39:31.459 --> 05:39:33.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:39:33.459 --> 05:39:35.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:39:35.459 --> 05:39:37.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:39:37.459 --> 05:39:39.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:39:39.459 --> 05:39:41.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:39:41.459 --> 05:39:43.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:39:43.459 --> 05:39:45.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:39:45.459 --> 05:39:47.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:39:47.459 --> 05:39:49.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:39:49.459 --> 05:39:51.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:39:51.459 --> 05:39:53.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:39:53.459 --> 05:39:55.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:39:55.459 --> 05:39:57.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:39:57.459 --> 05:39:59.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:39:59.459 --> 05:40:01.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:40:01.459 --> 05:40:03.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:40:03.459 --> 05:40:05.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:40:05.459 --> 05:40:07.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:40:07.459 --> 05:40:09.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:40:09.459 --> 05:40:11.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:40:11.459 --> 05:40:13.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:40:13.459 --> 05:40:15.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:40:15.459 --> 05:40:17.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:40:17.459 --> 05:40:19.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:40:19.459 --> 05:40:21.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:40:21.459 --> 05:40:23.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:40:23.459 --> 05:40:25.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:40:25.459 --> 05:40:27.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:40:27.459 --> 05:40:29.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:40:29.459 --> 05:40:31.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:40:31.459 --> 05:40:33.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:40:33.459 --> 05:40:35.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:40:35.459 --> 05:40:37.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:40:37.459 --> 05:40:39.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:40:39.459 --> 05:40:41.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:40:41.459 --> 05:40:43.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:40:43.459 --> 05:40:45.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:40:45.459 --> 05:40:47.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:40:47.459 --> 05:40:49.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:40:49.459 --> 05:40:51.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:40:51.459 --> 05:40:53.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:40:53.459 --> 05:40:55.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:40:55.459 --> 05:40:57.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:40:57.459 --> 05:40:59.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:40:59.459 --> 05:41:01.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:41:01.459 --> 05:41:03.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:41:03.459 --> 05:41:05.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:41:05.459 --> 05:41:07.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:41:07.459 --> 05:41:09.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:41:09.459 --> 05:41:11.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:41:11.459 --> 05:41:13.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:41:13.459 --> 05:41:15.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:41:15.459 --> 05:41:17.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:41:17.459 --> 05:41:19.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:41:19.459 --> 05:41:21.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:41:21.459 --> 05:41:23.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:41:23.459 --> 05:41:25.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:41:25.459 --> 05:41:27.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:41:27.459 --> 05:41:29.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:41:29.459 --> 05:41:31.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:41:31.459 --> 05:41:33.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:41:33.459 --> 05:41:35.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:41:35.459 --> 05:41:37.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:41:37.459 --> 05:41:39.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:41:39.459 --> 05:41:41.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

05:41:41.459 --> 05:41:43.459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

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>> I apologize for the outburst a little earlier.

05:47:43.459 --> 05:47:47.459
I was just a little frustrated with what I was hearing.

05:47:47.459 --> 05:47:51.459
I am going to get down a couple of things here.

05:47:51.459 --> 05:47:54.599
Some of the state laws that apply to manufactured housing,

05:47:54.599 --> 05:47:57.979
construction, or modular home construction are two

05:47:57.979 --> 05:47:59.459
different animals.

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Manufactured homes are regulated by the United States

05:48:03.400 --> 05:48:05.459
government HUD design codes.

05:48:05.459 --> 05:48:08.209
Those came into effect after Hurricane Andrew wiped out

05:48:08.209 --> 05:48:10.459
Florida and a bunch of housing down there.

05:48:10.459 --> 05:48:13.220
The U.S. government thinking they are smart there, but he

05:48:13.220 --> 05:48:14.459
came in and took it over.

05:48:14.459 --> 05:48:17.180
Part of that deal is you have to have a crawl space

05:48:17.180 --> 05:48:19.880
underneath any manufactured home to get access to any of

05:48:19.880 --> 05:48:21.459
the piping or ducting underneath there.

05:48:21.459 --> 05:48:23.459
That is a state law and federal law.

05:48:23.459 --> 05:48:25.459
Minimum is 18 inches.

05:48:25.459 --> 05:48:27.459
Preferably is 24.

05:48:27.459 --> 05:48:31.459
Just FYI on that.

05:48:31.459 --> 05:48:33.459
I applaud the gentleman.

05:48:33.459 --> 05:48:36.209
They have a great business plan coming in, trying to put

05:48:36.209 --> 05:48:39.459
some housing in here for folks, renting some lots out.

05:48:39.459 --> 05:48:41.459
It is a really good plan.

05:48:41.459 --> 05:48:44.279
It is going to return their investment in about three years

05:48:44.279 --> 05:48:48.459
, which gives them positive cash flow forever.

05:48:48.459 --> 05:48:50.459
I think it is good.

05:48:50.459 --> 05:48:54.459
What kind of lacks for the city of Denton is the tax base,

05:48:54.459 --> 05:48:57.889
which some of the other individuals have touched on here

05:48:57.889 --> 05:48:59.459
just a little bit ago.

05:48:59.459 --> 05:49:01.819
Little Elm over in that area, they had a bunch of trailer

05:49:01.819 --> 05:49:04.459
homes, mobile homes over there for a long period of time.

05:49:04.459 --> 05:49:07.459
They have gone through and weeded them out.

05:49:07.459 --> 05:49:11.200
Because of that, their tax base has increased exponentially

05:49:11.200 --> 05:49:11.459
.

05:49:11.459 --> 05:49:14.459
Equality of homes has increased exponentially.

05:49:14.459 --> 05:49:16.459
Equality of living has done the same thing.

05:49:16.459 --> 05:49:19.459
Everything has gone up.

05:49:19.459 --> 05:49:22.709
One of my neighbors touched on a little bit earlier, Brian

05:49:22.709 --> 05:49:23.459
Flatley.

05:49:23.459 --> 05:49:31.459
He talked about the mobile home park there, Ashley Oaks,

05:49:31.459 --> 05:49:35.459
just to the west of the current proposed project.

05:49:35.459 --> 05:49:38.659
Somebody had a good sense of command there after it was

05:49:38.659 --> 05:49:40.459
built, the zone at NR2.

05:49:40.459 --> 05:49:42.459
There is a reason for it.

05:49:42.459 --> 05:49:45.209
If it is going to be sold, they want something other than

05:49:45.209 --> 05:49:47.630
mobile homes or manufactured homes on that property,

05:49:47.630 --> 05:49:50.549
because they want to increase the quality of life here in

05:49:50.549 --> 05:49:51.459
the city of Denton.

05:49:51.459 --> 05:49:54.459
They were smart.

05:49:54.459 --> 05:49:58.169
That is the game plan, increase the quality of life we got

05:49:58.169 --> 05:49:59.459
here in Denton.

05:49:59.459 --> 05:50:03.459
This, I do not believe does it.

05:50:03.459 --> 05:50:06.459
People want to be doing better than their parents did.

05:50:06.459 --> 05:50:09.459
I want my kids to do better than I did.

05:50:09.459 --> 05:50:13.459
I have succeeded in what my parents did, which is great.

05:50:13.459 --> 05:50:17.459
We are not doing that here with this project.

05:50:17.459 --> 05:50:20.459
So many individuals touched on the tax base.

05:50:20.459 --> 05:50:22.459
Excuse me, how do you pronounce it again?

05:50:22.459 --> 05:50:23.459
Thank you, sir.

05:50:23.459 --> 05:50:27.459
Mr. Singhani, he touched on it.

05:50:27.459 --> 05:50:31.020
The tax base on the 1,500 homes he wants to put in there

05:50:31.020 --> 05:50:35.259
with an average starting price of $275,000, the revenue it

05:50:35.259 --> 05:50:37.459
would bring into this city is huge.

05:50:37.459 --> 05:50:41.630
The average amount of taxes we pay within our subdivision

05:50:41.630 --> 05:50:46.459
for 155 homes in there is about $9,000 a year.

05:50:46.459 --> 05:50:50.459
I personally wrote a check for $17,000 last year.

05:50:50.459 --> 05:50:51.459
Why happy about that?

05:50:51.459 --> 05:50:53.459
Oh, no.

05:50:53.459 --> 05:50:56.459
I even fought my taxes and I lost.

05:50:56.459 --> 05:51:01.459
I can't sell it for what you all are taxing me for.

05:51:01.459 --> 05:51:04.900
But the tax rolls are the tax rolls and that's what brings

05:51:04.900 --> 05:51:06.459
money into this city.

05:51:06.459 --> 05:51:09.619
A house, a manufactured home, when it's not sitting on

05:51:09.619 --> 05:51:12.799
property that you do not own, is not considered real

05:51:12.799 --> 05:51:15.459
property by a Denton County tax assessor.

05:51:15.459 --> 05:51:18.459
It is considered personal property.

05:51:18.459 --> 05:51:21.830
And as such, this tax at a lower rate than real property,

05:51:21.830 --> 05:51:25.119
which you own a house, your house is sitting on a piece of

05:51:25.119 --> 05:51:27.459
property, that's real property.

05:51:27.459 --> 05:51:30.639
Personal property like a car, stuff like that, is what

05:51:30.639 --> 05:51:33.459
these are based on and what they're taxed on.

05:51:33.459 --> 05:51:39.509
So if you have a 17 by 76 square foot, 17 by 76 dimension,

05:51:39.509 --> 05:51:45.229
single wide, 1,292 square foot, you're going to pay about $

05:51:45.229 --> 05:51:51.459
1,500 a year in taxes on that manufactured home.

05:51:51.459 --> 05:51:54.479
And whoever owns the land is going to pay the difference,

05:51:54.479 --> 05:51:56.459
is going to pay the tax on the land.

05:51:56.459 --> 05:51:59.540
Now, if you come in and put a three bedroom, two bath, 1,

05:51:59.540 --> 05:52:04.259
500 square foot house at about $180,000 price mark, you're

05:52:04.259 --> 05:52:09.459
going to be paying about $3,000 a year more.

05:52:09.459 --> 05:52:13.240
So take that $3,000 and multiply it by 497, what do you get

05:52:13.240 --> 05:52:13.459
?

05:52:13.459 --> 05:52:17.459
You get about $1.5 million.

05:52:17.459 --> 05:52:20.470
That's a big difference in chunk of changes coming into the

05:52:20.470 --> 05:52:21.459
city of Denton.

05:52:21.459 --> 05:52:24.220
We bitch and moan about our transportation being lacking

05:52:24.220 --> 05:52:26.439
and quality of life being lacking because of our

05:52:26.439 --> 05:52:31.459
transportation, right there's your problem.

05:52:31.459 --> 05:52:34.470
That 1.5 million will pay for a whole lot of improvements

05:52:34.470 --> 05:52:35.459
on our roadways.

05:52:35.459 --> 05:52:38.540
And I bet you dog on dollar it will pay for three damn stop

05:52:38.540 --> 05:52:41.709
signs at our subdivision that the city engineer will not

05:52:41.709 --> 05:52:42.459
put in.

05:52:42.459 --> 05:52:44.709
He said, no, we don't need that. We can't do it. It won't

05:52:44.709 --> 05:52:45.459
affect the traffic.

05:52:45.459 --> 05:52:49.400
I personally saw a Bronco 2 up on two wheels coming up over

05:52:49.400 --> 05:52:52.459
that hill doing about 65 mile an hour.

05:52:52.459 --> 05:52:55.209
That's coming from that one lane bridge down the bottom of

05:52:55.209 --> 05:52:55.459
Trinity.

05:52:55.459 --> 05:52:57.740
By the time he got to the top of the hill, he's on two

05:52:57.740 --> 05:53:00.459
lanes, looked like he was working for Joey Chitwood.

05:53:00.459 --> 05:53:02.459
Old folks know who that is. I apologize.

05:53:02.459 --> 05:53:05.459
All right.

05:53:05.459 --> 05:53:09.150
It's fast. We've had people diving off into ditches not get

05:53:09.150 --> 05:53:09.459
hit.

05:53:09.459 --> 05:53:13.419
Because the city of Denton won't come out and put out three

05:53:13.419 --> 05:53:14.459
stop signs.

05:53:14.459 --> 05:53:16.459
We don't we don't need them.

05:53:16.459 --> 05:53:19.270
You don't need we're not going to put speed bumps in

05:53:19.270 --> 05:53:22.459
because of traffic because of emergency vehicles.

05:53:22.459 --> 05:53:24.459
It's stupid.

05:53:24.459 --> 05:53:27.459
You're putting people's lives at stake.

05:53:27.459 --> 05:53:29.459
That's the issue I got.

05:53:29.459 --> 05:53:31.459
Thank you for your time.

05:53:31.459 --> 05:53:32.459
Thank you very much.

05:53:32.459 --> 05:53:34.459
I do not see any questions.

05:53:34.459 --> 05:53:41.459
Thank you. Thank you.

05:53:41.459 --> 05:53:46.459
Next we have Cody Hogan.

05:53:46.459 --> 05:53:49.200
As he's coming up, this is the last card we have this

05:53:49.200 --> 05:53:49.459
evening.

05:53:49.459 --> 05:53:52.459
That's not to say that no one else can speak.

05:53:52.459 --> 05:53:54.459
If you do want to speak, we're happy to hear you.

05:53:54.459 --> 05:53:56.459
We'd ask you fill out a card.

05:53:56.459 --> 05:54:00.250
But if not, after Mr. Hogan speaks, we can certainly have

05:54:00.250 --> 05:54:01.459
you come back up.

05:54:01.459 --> 05:54:03.459
I know that I already spoke.

05:54:03.459 --> 05:54:06.919
Would you be able to come up for one more minute and ask

05:54:06.919 --> 05:54:10.459
the applicant to address the question?

05:54:10.459 --> 05:54:14.459
After Mr. Hogan speaks, we might be able to address your

05:54:14.459 --> 05:54:15.459
question.

05:54:15.459 --> 05:54:19.459
Cody Hogan, 589 South Trinity Road.

05:54:19.459 --> 05:54:20.459
I know my time's quick.

05:54:20.459 --> 05:54:23.459
So I'm going to go over a couple of things.

05:54:23.459 --> 05:54:28.049
I truthfully think we should get a dumping pass for right

05:54:28.049 --> 05:54:29.459
there by the bridge.

05:54:29.459 --> 05:54:33.549
Maybe at least for me, because I at least dumped once a

05:54:33.549 --> 05:54:36.459
month of everybody's stuff that's from Vacation Village.

05:54:36.459 --> 05:54:40.020
I guarantee these people aren't dumping couches and dress

05:54:40.020 --> 05:54:40.459
ers.

05:54:40.459 --> 05:54:42.459
I'm the one that has to do that.

05:54:42.459 --> 05:54:45.459
So second thing is police.

05:54:45.459 --> 05:54:48.209
I have people that -- I don't do this very often, so I'm

05:54:48.209 --> 05:54:49.459
probably turning pretty red.

05:54:49.459 --> 05:54:51.459
But I live right there.

05:54:51.459 --> 05:54:55.459
I live exactly right here to be exact.

05:54:55.459 --> 05:55:00.459
And down by the bridge and exactly over here, it's a joke.

05:55:00.459 --> 05:55:03.759
I call the police because there's three -- no offense --

05:55:03.759 --> 05:55:08.459
Hispanic guys shooting behind the house, ARs to be exact.

05:55:08.459 --> 05:55:12.459
It took 45 minutes for the police to get to my house.

05:55:12.459 --> 05:55:16.680
While I'm sitting there with my wife -- girlfriend -- and

05:55:16.680 --> 05:55:19.759
we're sitting there waiting and I put myself in a bad

05:55:19.759 --> 05:55:21.459
position, I have cows on the property.

05:55:21.459 --> 05:55:24.459
I get the fence cut all the time right here.

05:55:24.459 --> 05:55:29.310
Corps of Engineers, complete opening for four-wheelers to

05:55:29.310 --> 05:55:30.459
go through. Like, it's no joke.

05:55:30.459 --> 05:55:32.459
I have to -- I will be completely honest with you.

05:55:32.459 --> 05:55:35.220
I cut trees right here and I'll put fence here to stop the

05:55:35.220 --> 05:55:36.459
four-wheelers coming.

05:55:36.459 --> 05:55:39.459
Call the Corps of Engineer, they won't do nothing about it.

05:55:39.459 --> 05:55:42.459
So that right there is just going to escalate over here.

05:55:42.459 --> 05:55:43.459
It's going to happen.

05:55:43.459 --> 05:55:45.459
The speeding, it is.

05:55:45.459 --> 05:55:47.459
It's a joke.

05:55:47.459 --> 05:55:50.259
Like, it's scary on South Trinity Road and it's because of

05:55:50.259 --> 05:55:51.459
Vacation Village.

05:55:51.459 --> 05:55:54.220
I see them every single day because I have to drive my

05:55:54.220 --> 05:55:57.229
Ranger to check my cows around this property every single

05:55:57.229 --> 05:55:59.459
day to make sure my fence don't get cut.

05:55:59.459 --> 05:56:00.459
And it has.

05:56:00.459 --> 05:56:03.419
And I've had cows out here where I have to hire three or

05:56:03.419 --> 05:56:06.520
four guys to come out with drones with thermal to find my

05:56:06.520 --> 05:56:08.459
cows and bring them back in.

05:56:08.459 --> 05:56:09.459
That ain't cheap.

05:56:09.459 --> 05:56:15.759
About two months ago, I had an ambulance cut my fence, come

05:56:15.759 --> 05:56:19.189
in to pick up a crackhead with a family back here because

05:56:19.189 --> 05:56:20.459
they overdosed.

05:56:20.459 --> 05:56:21.459
I looked up.

05:56:21.459 --> 05:56:24.209
They wouldn't tell me much, but I kind of followed the mom

05:56:24.209 --> 05:56:24.459
out.

05:56:24.459 --> 05:56:26.459
Guess where she went?

05:56:26.459 --> 05:56:27.459
Vacation Village.

05:56:27.459 --> 05:56:29.459
It's exact same houses.

05:56:29.459 --> 05:56:32.459
I don't care if anyone says they are, but they are.

05:56:32.459 --> 05:56:36.849
Next thing is, the neighborhood, this trailer park right

05:56:36.849 --> 05:56:41.020
here, I will sit there for 30 minutes waiting on the bus to

05:56:41.020 --> 05:56:42.459
pick up every kid.

05:56:42.459 --> 05:56:45.459
Now we're doubling that, probably tripling that.

05:56:45.459 --> 05:56:49.459
So that's just a joke itself, too.

05:56:49.459 --> 05:56:52.700
I don't think we should have to sit there for 30 minutes

05:56:52.700 --> 05:56:55.590
for a thousand kids to decide if they want to get on the

05:56:55.590 --> 05:56:56.459
bus or not.

05:56:56.459 --> 05:56:59.459
By the way, I didn't get anything in the mail either.

05:56:59.459 --> 05:57:03.259
So tents, I have homeless people that live here and I have

05:57:03.259 --> 05:57:07.459
homeless people that live right here beside that property.

05:57:07.459 --> 05:57:09.459
Call the police.

05:57:09.459 --> 05:57:12.459
It takes 45 minutes for them to come and deal with that.

05:57:12.459 --> 05:57:16.139
I have to go down there myself with an AR and make sure

05:57:16.139 --> 05:57:18.459
that I'm safe to get them out.

05:57:18.459 --> 05:57:19.459
It is what it is.

05:57:19.459 --> 05:57:22.459
I mean, they literally are 10 minutes from my house.

05:57:22.459 --> 05:57:25.459
I really don't want anybody walking into my house.

05:57:25.459 --> 05:57:28.400
I mean, I don't think -- do any of you guys live close to

05:57:28.400 --> 05:57:29.459
Trinity at all?

05:57:29.459 --> 05:57:31.479
Because if you guys would like to volunteer and pick up

05:57:31.479 --> 05:57:33.880
stuff or deal with these kind of problems with me, please,

05:57:33.880 --> 05:57:35.459
by all means, come do it with me.

05:57:35.459 --> 05:57:36.459
I'm not trying to be rude.

05:57:36.459 --> 05:57:38.459
This is the truth.

05:57:38.459 --> 05:57:40.459
Let's see here.

05:57:40.459 --> 05:57:42.459
Water drainage.

05:57:42.459 --> 05:57:45.290
He brought up the water drainage, but I know I get a bill

05:57:45.290 --> 05:57:48.459
in the mail every single month to pay for water drainage.

05:57:48.459 --> 05:57:49.459
Exactly that.

05:57:49.459 --> 05:57:53.020
I pay that every single month to Denton County to handle

05:57:53.020 --> 05:57:54.459
the water drainage.

05:57:54.459 --> 05:57:58.459
So I don't think that should be an excuse.

05:57:58.459 --> 05:57:59.459
Let's see here.

05:57:59.459 --> 05:58:00.459
Little Elm.

05:58:00.459 --> 05:58:03.459
You know, look what Little Elm did.

05:58:03.459 --> 05:58:06.470
Everybody's brought that up that they've cleaned out the

05:58:06.470 --> 05:58:07.459
trailer parks.

05:58:07.459 --> 05:58:11.020
Are we wanting -- I mean, look how big they're booming,

05:58:11.020 --> 05:58:14.389
prosper, calling -- they're booming over there because they

05:58:14.389 --> 05:58:15.459
're cleaning them out.

05:58:15.459 --> 05:58:17.459
And we're doing the exact opposite.

05:58:17.459 --> 05:58:20.459
Is that something that we want to kind of follow?

05:58:20.459 --> 05:58:24.020
I mean, what about over on 288 where D.R. Horton's building

05:58:24.020 --> 05:58:24.459
his houses?

05:58:24.459 --> 05:58:26.459
Why don't we build trailer houses over there?

05:58:26.459 --> 05:58:29.459
I guarantee we wouldn't do that because it's not hidden.

05:58:29.459 --> 05:58:32.599
We're trying to hide stuff over here and make it look good

05:58:32.599 --> 05:58:33.459
over there.

05:58:33.459 --> 05:58:34.459
I don't think that's right.

05:58:34.459 --> 05:58:37.459
These people spend a lot of money on their houses.

05:58:37.459 --> 05:58:39.459
My house, it ain't close to theirs.

05:58:39.459 --> 05:58:41.459
And we talk about low income.

05:58:41.459 --> 05:58:43.459
I'm 28 years old.

05:58:43.459 --> 05:58:48.459
Low income, I've not had any family funding or anything.

05:58:48.459 --> 05:58:51.200
I've busted my butt every single day and got where I am

05:58:51.200 --> 05:58:51.459
today.

05:58:51.459 --> 05:58:54.459
I have a couple rental properties.

05:58:54.459 --> 05:58:57.459
Low income, they need to get out there and bust their butt.

05:58:57.459 --> 05:59:00.340
If they don't want to live in a trailer house, I mean, get

05:59:00.340 --> 05:59:01.459
out there and work.

05:59:01.459 --> 05:59:02.459
That's what I mean.

05:59:02.459 --> 05:59:03.459
That's what I do.

05:59:03.459 --> 05:59:05.459
I've done it all on my own.

05:59:05.459 --> 05:59:09.200
So I just -- I can't believe that we're going to put

05:59:09.200 --> 05:59:14.459
trailer houses there when we already know it's guaranteed

05:59:14.459 --> 05:59:16.459
to become a disaster.

05:59:16.459 --> 05:59:17.459
It really is.

05:59:17.459 --> 05:59:18.459
I hate to say that.

05:59:18.459 --> 05:59:19.459
I understand.

05:59:19.459 --> 05:59:20.459
These people have a place to live.

05:59:20.459 --> 05:59:23.180
But is it our city that we have to take care of them to do

05:59:23.180 --> 05:59:23.459
that?

05:59:23.459 --> 05:59:25.459
I mean, we have enough already.

05:59:25.459 --> 05:59:27.459
Vacation Village, I hate to say this.

05:59:27.459 --> 05:59:29.459
Have any of you guys been to Mexico?

05:59:29.459 --> 05:59:31.459
Because that's what it feels like.

05:59:31.459 --> 05:59:32.459
And it ain't no joke.

05:59:32.459 --> 05:59:34.099
I guarantee some of these people won't even go through

05:59:34.099 --> 05:59:34.459
there.

05:59:34.459 --> 05:59:38.650
I have to go through there every single day to check my

05:59:38.650 --> 05:59:39.459
fence.

05:59:39.459 --> 05:59:42.900
I had to actually -- over here in this property, there's a

05:59:42.900 --> 05:59:46.459
water that handles all the water for vaca -- oh, sorry.

05:59:46.459 --> 05:59:50.810
Over here, that area right here, there's a guy that I guess

05:59:50.810 --> 05:59:55.459
rents for the water and everything for that trailer place.

05:59:55.459 --> 05:59:59.139
I had to personally spend my money and build a very good

05:59:59.139 --> 06:00:03.080
metal gate to keep people from going back there and dumping

06:00:03.080 --> 06:00:03.459
.

06:00:03.459 --> 06:00:08.459
I have become the new Denton dump, to be exact.

06:00:08.459 --> 06:00:11.229
If you guys told me, hey, you can bring all the dump for

06:00:11.229 --> 06:00:15.389
the next two months, I guarantee I'd have over probably 25

06:00:15.389 --> 06:00:18.459
loads of junk that I would have to haul off.

06:00:18.459 --> 06:00:20.459
Tires is a joke, too.

06:00:20.459 --> 06:00:25.580
So all I'm saying is I'm 28 years old, I bust my butt, and

06:00:25.580 --> 06:00:28.270
I really feel like trailer houses is completely off the

06:00:28.270 --> 06:00:31.459
charts for what we should be doing.

06:00:31.459 --> 06:00:34.819
I mean, I'm going to live here for the rest of my life, and

06:00:34.819 --> 06:00:38.459
I really want it to be a nice house, not vacation village.

06:00:38.459 --> 06:00:41.459
We actually have a question for you, Mr. Ellis.

06:00:41.459 --> 06:00:42.459
Thank you, Chair.

06:00:42.459 --> 06:00:44.459
Cody, can you tell me where it is that you live?

06:00:44.459 --> 06:00:46.459
Exactly where I live?

06:00:46.459 --> 06:00:47.459
What's your address?

06:00:47.459 --> 06:01:00.459
589 South Trinity Road, which is right here, to be exact.

06:01:00.459 --> 06:01:03.209
So there's actually a trailer house right in front of my

06:01:03.209 --> 06:01:03.459
house.

06:01:03.459 --> 06:01:07.139
And to bring that up, I deal with them hollering every

06:01:07.139 --> 06:01:10.459
single night because they want to be drunks.

06:01:10.459 --> 06:01:12.799
What is your cross street? What's your closest cross street

06:01:12.799 --> 06:01:13.459
off Trinity?

06:01:13.459 --> 06:01:17.639
All right, so you know where the single bridge is? On the

06:01:17.639 --> 06:01:21.080
first house on the left, where the white picket fence with

06:01:21.080 --> 06:01:24.970
the -- so I will tell you, though, the guns and the AR

06:01:24.970 --> 06:01:27.580
stuff, believe me, they got mad at me because I had to put

06:01:27.580 --> 06:01:29.459
barbed wire fence up by the bridge.

06:01:29.459 --> 06:01:32.220
Because -- and they were like, why -- that's -- you know,

06:01:32.220 --> 06:01:34.819
that's -- our trails -- and I said, well, they're shooting

06:01:34.819 --> 06:01:37.259
straight at my house, you know, and I have cows and

06:01:37.259 --> 06:01:39.459
everything, like horses, everything.

06:01:39.459 --> 06:01:41.819
I mean, would you guys want AR shooting in the back behind

06:01:41.819 --> 06:01:42.459
your house?

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No. And exactly where those people are, they were gang

06:01:46.400 --> 06:01:49.459
members that lived in Vacation Village, by the way.

06:01:49.459 --> 06:01:52.880
Because when the cops finally did get there, it was just a

06:01:52.880 --> 06:01:55.459
mess. Ask the chief of police.

06:01:55.459 --> 06:01:57.779
They had to get somebody out there with dogs to find the

06:01:57.779 --> 06:02:00.459
gun the next day because the guys didn't want to tell them.

06:02:00.459 --> 06:02:04.459
So, I mean, it's just -- it's escalated way too much.

06:02:04.459 --> 06:02:05.459
Mr. -- we have one more question.

06:02:05.459 --> 06:02:06.459
Yep.

06:02:06.459 --> 06:02:07.459
Mr. Sanchez.

06:02:07.459 --> 06:02:10.159
I just want to mention Vacation Village and what these guys

06:02:10.159 --> 06:02:12.459
are trying to do are two totally different animals.

06:02:12.459 --> 06:02:14.459
Yes, completely two different things.

06:02:14.459 --> 06:02:18.459
Because Vacation Village is actually people own their lot.

06:02:18.459 --> 06:02:19.459
Okay.

06:02:19.459 --> 06:02:22.700
And then they -- originally it started as mobile homes, but

06:02:22.700 --> 06:02:25.770
a lot of people have now, if you go back in there, are

06:02:25.770 --> 06:02:27.459
building homes.

06:02:27.459 --> 06:02:31.020
They're getting rid of their mobile homes and putting in

06:02:31.020 --> 06:02:32.459
really nice houses.

06:02:32.459 --> 06:02:33.459
But actually --

06:02:33.459 --> 06:02:34.459
Okay.

06:02:34.459 --> 06:02:37.459
If we cannot interject, please.

06:02:37.459 --> 06:02:38.459
Sorry.

06:02:38.459 --> 06:02:41.459
If we cannot interject for the audience, I appreciate it.

06:02:41.459 --> 06:02:42.459
Go ahead, Mr. Ogey.

06:02:42.459 --> 06:02:44.459
So this property right here with all these trailers, too,

06:02:44.459 --> 06:02:46.979
that's going to be what exactly he's doing right beside it,

06:02:46.979 --> 06:02:47.459
right?

06:02:47.459 --> 06:02:48.459
To a certain extent.

06:02:48.459 --> 06:02:49.459
All right.

06:02:49.459 --> 06:02:50.459
These are trailer houses.

06:02:50.459 --> 06:02:54.790
He's building -- I don't know exactly what you want to call

06:02:54.790 --> 06:02:55.459
them.

06:02:55.459 --> 06:02:57.459
But these are trailer houses.

06:02:57.459 --> 06:02:59.669
So that being the exact -- all these people that live on

06:02:59.669 --> 06:03:01.830
this whole side, they literally just drive their cars right

06:03:01.830 --> 06:03:03.459
across the street right there

06:03:03.459 --> 06:03:04.459
and park into their trailer house.

06:03:04.459 --> 06:03:06.459
Is that okay?

06:03:06.459 --> 06:03:07.459
No driveways or nothing.

06:03:07.459 --> 06:03:10.209
They just pull right in right there and they think that's

06:03:10.209 --> 06:03:10.459
okay.

06:03:10.459 --> 06:03:13.610
Right here, you can see where the trailer people have

06:03:13.610 --> 06:03:16.979
literally just done burnouts and think, let's just start

06:03:16.979 --> 06:03:18.459
mudding and stuff like that.

06:03:18.459 --> 06:03:19.459
I guess my point was --

06:03:19.459 --> 06:03:20.459
So I know.

06:03:20.459 --> 06:03:21.459
My point was you can't compare --

06:03:21.459 --> 06:03:24.459
In five years, what's that place going to be?

06:03:24.459 --> 06:03:27.590
You're telling me when he sells it to another investor, it

06:03:27.590 --> 06:03:29.459
's going to have the same rules?

06:03:29.459 --> 06:03:31.459
It's not going to.

06:03:31.459 --> 06:03:33.459
I mean, come on.

06:03:33.459 --> 06:03:36.849
And I feel like you guys have already kind of made your

06:03:36.849 --> 06:03:38.459
decision on doing it.

06:03:38.459 --> 06:03:39.459
Can I ask why?

06:03:39.459 --> 06:03:42.849
What's the benefit of putting that trailer house instead of

06:03:42.849 --> 06:03:45.459
building houses all the way through here?

06:03:45.459 --> 06:03:47.459
What's the benefit of that?

06:03:47.459 --> 06:03:50.419
Is it because you guys -- because Prosper and Little Elm is

06:03:50.419 --> 06:03:54.759
doing so good selling these half-million-dollar homes that

06:03:54.759 --> 06:03:59.459
you guys feel like you guys need to build these $150,000

06:03:59.459 --> 06:04:00.459
homes to make people have a living?

06:04:00.459 --> 06:04:03.459
Is that what the goal is for Denton?

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I mean, I'm just asking the question.

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What is your goal for it?

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What I was just saying is you were comparing apples and

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oranges when you're comparing Lakewood Village to --

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I'm comparing this five years down the road.

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It's going to be the exact same thing.

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And I don't know if it will be, but based on that they're

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going to have homeowners --

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You wouldn't want it to be, though.

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-- based on the fact that they're going to have a

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homeowners association and they're going to have rules is a

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lot different from what Lakewood Village is.

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And Lakewood Village has come a long way from what it was

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five, 10 years ago.

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I've seen it.

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So what about this side?

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No, I don't know what's going on over there.

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On that side, I haven't been over there.

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Because I know there's a lot of four-wheelers and a lot of

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stuff over there.

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That's right beside it.

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I mean, I don't want to waste your guys' time, but I don't

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think -- can I ask you why you guys want to do that?

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I just would like to understand that.

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I've lived here my whole life.

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I certainly appreciate that.

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What's going to happen when we close the public hearing is

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you will hear to the best of our ability us articulate the

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reasons and our mindset for the vote that will take place.

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So we certainly want to let you in on how that decision

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will be made.

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Okay.

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For sure.

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I didn't know what it was, but I think it's all going to

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help us.

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We don't mind.

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Absolutely.

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If you could just state your name and address for the

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record.

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My name is Sunny Emory.

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I live at 8009 Stallion Street.

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There was two things.

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A lot of the neighbors did a great job bringing up things I

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had written down.

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But one of the things I had a question about was the walk

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path they're going to put into Ryan High.

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I don't have a problem with the kids walking.

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In fact, it took forever for y'all to finally put a

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sidewalk in McKinney Street for all those kids in the

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apartments to walk all the way down.

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And now you say you're going to put in a walking path, but

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they got to get across the new post oak in like 20 years

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when it gets here.

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But I'm thinking that's going to be the same problem about

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people getting hit when they're crossing over McKinney

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Street and 288.

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So it's kind of the same situation because you're going to

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want to and they're too close to be bus.

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So let's just be honest.

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And you're not going to want to give him the city pass for

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them to get on the bus because there is a city stop already

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over at Denton Falls for them to turn around and get right

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back off.

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They rather walk it because it's too much of a pain.

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They got to be on bus time for the city.

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So that was a big concern.

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Being a longtime resident, basically moved here when I was

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an itty bitty kid, lived on North Side, lived on South Side

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.

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My question is, y'all keep saying, well, this is what else

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is going to be built here around it?

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What else are we going to build?

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We've got a mobile home park here, a manufactured home here

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and here.

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OK, we'll look out at Hodge, not Hodge.

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Well, Hodge, you got Silver Dome down the street from Hodge

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.

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You built that whole nice little neighborhood right there

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around Hodge Elementary like 30 years ago.

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Over there by Geyer, you got a mobile home park around the

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curve.

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You built Geyer. Look, all these other homes are popping up

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.

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Sorry, my legs are nervous.

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But I'm just saying, you've got Hawk Elementary, not Hawk,

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what's the one? Nelson.

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Nelson's sitting right there on Teasley.

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You came in, there's a mobile home park.

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In fact, there was two.

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You built all those homes all up and down to Teasley right

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there.

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No problem.

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You've got Teasley trails, those big, high expensive ones

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going in.

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So why are you saying that you need to put this over here?

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Because this is the only place you're going to want to

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build.

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This is the only place that we're going to put it because

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nobody else is going to come in between these two mobile

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home parks.

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But my question is over here for the developer is out by Pe

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can Creek.

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They had one mobile home park.

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But look, that neighborhood area is booming like nobody

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else's business.

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They can't even keep up with that school.

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You're busing kids everywhere now in the school district to

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get that neighborhood taken care of.

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So the question comes down is if you have duplexes or townh

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omes coming in out there,

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why not consider that over here at Ryan over there by those

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mobile home parks?

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Why not put, especially if there's going to be eventually

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post oak going in there and you're going to have that wall.

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I mean, you've had mobile home parks back up to Lake, was

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it Lakewood Estates over there on Teasley?

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And now you have, sorry, my brain is rattling.

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You have those Oakmont Two Homes.

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All you did was put up a big giant wall there and it kind

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of made both sides somewhat happy.

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So I don't know why there can't be like some other median

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ground.

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I mean, to be honest, homes are being sold about as fast as

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you can get them built and done right now.

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There's only a few areas that can do zero financing to move

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in.

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Why not consider that and get some of these families into

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something like that that they can have as a life investment

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and not just like I've got this, but I can't do anything

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else with it.

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I'm sorry. I talk really fast. You're OK.

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We can certainly record those questions and we I have a lit

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any of questions.

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Ask the applicants. They'll be up and hopefully get those

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questions.

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That's all I really say was I don't know why we can't

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consider something else there.

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If other areas of didn't we have a major need for housing

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in our city.

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I mean, we can't get people into homes.

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Maybe we need to build some homes that are a little bit

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lower value.

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But to say that's the only thing that's going to go there

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because everything else around it is kind of crummy.

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That's my opinion. I appreciate that.

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You're more welcome to come and speak.

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If you just say your name and address for the record.

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I'm going to be a little bit of a

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flash B8209 of Creek Lane. Just a couple of things to

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reiterate is the notifications going out.

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I've been notified.

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The other thing I want to bring up is when you bring in all

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these extra people in this area, have you considered the

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schools?

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Really? Have you really considered what's going to happen?

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I mean, everybody right now must be blunt.

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Stinks because it's over in a low income area right now.

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What are you going to do to Ryan?

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You've added Guyer to where all the rich kids go.

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All right. Think about the schools.

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Third thing, telephone service.

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In Lakeview right now, I can't tell you how many times we

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get no service.

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There's not enough towers.

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You add all these extra people with wireless phones.

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You got to have more towers.

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Who's responsible for that?

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My son-in-law passed out at my house, couldn't breathe.

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If I wouldn't have had a landline, I never would have got

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through.

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Because there's no service, because there's too many people

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touching the tower.

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Sorry, you add that many more people.

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What are you going to do?

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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Certainly, we have one comment per person, but if you would

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like to come ask your question, we can allow it.

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Doug Herzog, 7909 Rodeo Drive.

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If the first three rules of real estate investment is

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location, location, location, and we've established in our

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discussion that modular homes appreciate in value,

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and manufactured homes depreciate in value, I'm thinking

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why would a person build an appreciable asset in a

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community with depreciating assets?

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That sounds like a real estate investment nightmare.

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Mr. Applicant, would you please address, in your other

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communities like this, how many modular homes do you expect

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to have built?

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And if that number is low, City of Denton, is there

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something we can do in the SUP to raise that number?

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Thank you.

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Appreciate that.

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This is a public hearing.

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Anyone wishing to speak can certainly do so.

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So I have several cards that are in opposition not wishing

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to speak.

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I'm going to read the names into the record.

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We'll see if anyone wants to speak before closing the

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public hearing.

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Bear with me as I try to pronounce all these names.

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So the following names are those in opposition.

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Larry Ashby, Gail Ashby.

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Perfect.

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Perfect.

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We'll replace that one.

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Ronald Zich.

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Ron Basher.

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He spoke though, did he not?

06:12:25.459 --> 06:12:29.459
Janet McKentry.

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Eric Scholl.

06:12:31.459 --> 06:12:33.459
Alberta Kirk.

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Alice Gill.

06:12:35.459 --> 06:12:38.459
Scott Hinkes.

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Jennifer Grillhest.

06:12:43.459 --> 06:12:45.459
Alice Haddon.

06:12:45.459 --> 06:12:47.459
Max Estes.

06:12:47.459 --> 06:12:49.459
Dex Albright.

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Chris Komen.

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Bill McKentry.

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And Patricia Bacioto.

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Hopefully I didn't butcher any of those.

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Those individuals are on record as opposed.

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Is anyone else wanting to speak?

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You may certainly do so.

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Yes ma'am.

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Can you state your name again and address?

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Janet McKenstrie.

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And my address is 8108 Oak Creek Lane.

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The school bus was addressed but the schools themselves and

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the classrooms going to be needed.

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I understand we're going to build a brand new high school,

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a brand new elementary school, and a brand new middle

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school.

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But when are those schools going to be built and are they

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going to accommodate that area?

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Are they going to accommodate North 288 where they're

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building new homes?

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That the tax structure is higher at?

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Or are they going to overflow into our already overflowing

06:14:19.669 --> 06:14:25.459
schools that that area now goes to?

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Or this area now goes to?

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Does anybody know the answer to that?

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Mr. Beck.

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If I may.

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It's good questions.

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But DISD is the one you want to talk to.

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The city and DISD work together so those things are planned

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, they're anticipated.

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But that would be the better agency to talk to instead of

06:14:49.900 --> 06:14:50.459
us.

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Sorry.

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But then again when you're addressing this new development.

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Right.

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And it's all interplayed there.

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As the population grows, so this school.

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But you're getting ready to dump a thousand kids or better

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into the school system.

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A thousand kids in 500 homes.

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If you've got 497 homes, I guarantee you there's going to

06:15:11.319 --> 06:15:12.459
be at least two children.

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We're not necessarily going to have kids in every home.

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But that's okay.

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This isn't going to be a senior citizens development.

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This is going to be a young family development.

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So that's all I wanted to say.

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Thank you very much for your time.

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Thank you.

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Anyone else wish to speak?

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So at this time I'm going to close the public hearing.

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The day we can discuss for a motion and discussion.

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But before doing that, this commission has been sitting

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here for just over five hours.

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So I'm going to call a recess for five minutes for us to

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stretch our legs.

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We'll come back, finish our discussion and vote.

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It is 1143.

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Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for letting us take a break

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.

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It is 1153.

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We'll call this meeting back into order.

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We had just closed the public meeting.

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So our discussion now turns to the dais.

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So we'll call this meeting back into order.

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We'll call this meeting back into order.

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We'll call this meeting back into order.

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We'll call this meeting back into order.

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We'll call this meeting back into order.

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We'll call this meeting back into order.

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We'll call this meeting back into order.

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We'll call this meeting back into order.

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We'll call this meeting back into order.

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We'll call this meeting back into order.

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We'll call this meeting back into order.

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The city's standard ordinances,

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if you're along an arterial roadway,

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require thin wall screening, masonry screening.

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It's six foot.

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If you're along a city arterial,

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you've got to build a six foot tall masonry wall.

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Our obligation here is to do minimum six feet.

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We said, "We'll bump it to eight.

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It's more expensive, but we'll bump it to eight

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and enhance it."

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That's an enhancement, not trying to hide something.

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It goes back to city code.

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It's rare.

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Most developments that we do, you probably see six.

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Six is more typical because it's cheaper.

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That's what I thought it was at first.

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It's cheaper to do six.

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That's what most people do.

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Most builders do six foot.

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Is all your landscape on the inside of that masonry fence?

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Is there going to be any on the outside?

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As we show it today, yes.

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It's on the outside.

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We're going to propose to put some on the inside too,

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because if you do, it's not in here,

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but I'm telling you that's what our plan is.

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Okay, so just an ugly masonry wall.

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There'll be some landscaping.

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Yeah, we're obligated to do plantings that's stated in here

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,

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not just a promise.

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It's stated in here that we'll have a three foot tall berm,

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an eight foot fence, and then there's tree plantings

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that are stated along there every 30 feet.

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Okay, and I just want to bring that out

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so everybody can hear that.

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Thank you.

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It was construction trucks.

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I was concerned about construction trucks coming down South

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Trinity.

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Is that going to happen?

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We've talked about that too.

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Actually, we had that in our discussion Monday night

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with some good question brought up by some citizens about,

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but there's kind of two parts to that question.

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We can control, when it's a development,

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we can control where our contractors that we hire,

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how they get to the site.

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Talking about the stands, building the stands.

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Building the water shorelines and the roads.

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Okay, we pay those contractors.

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Our client hire, selects who they are.

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We can control how they get to the site

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and how they access the site.

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So that's something we can control.

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On the other end of it, with this not being proposed

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as a stick and brick development, what happens,

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you can imagine how this comes together.

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So they bring out the unit,

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and then it's placed on the concrete pad.

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So just think about the number of trips.

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You've got somebody coming out to build a concrete pad,

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and somebody bringing a unit.

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It's two or three, four trips.

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You may have a plumber to come hook stuff up, right?

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So that's three or four trips.

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Think of a traditional stick and brick home.

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There's grading, there's rough plumbing, there's

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foundations,

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there's a framer, there's, I mean, just name it,

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there's multiple stages that happen.

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So then that's, they're coming from a lot of different

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directions.

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Okay, you're not going to, I guess part of where it's going

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is

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I don't see any of those prefab construction pieces coming

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down,

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trenching over that single-lane bridge.

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That would be a bad thing.

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Yes, sir, I don't believe any of them could fit.

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Right.

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I don't think it's possible.

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I mean, that's not something y'all would control,

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because that's the people who buy it, but I just--

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And I think after tonight's meeting, I'm going to blow up

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that bridge.

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We're not going to worry about that anymore.

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[laughter]

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All right, you made them happy.

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We're going to add a cul-de-sac.

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[laughter]

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One thing I would--you shared a couple of locations where

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you've done this,

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and I can get with you later on this,

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but I would like to probably get these locations from you,

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look at the older ones, and maybe do a site visit myself.

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Yeah, we can give you a list.

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Okay.

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That's not a problem.

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Okay.

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And if you would just--and we touched on it--the concern

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that property taxes

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are going to be affected by your development,

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it's really impact fees that pay for this development,

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which doesn't affect current rateholders.

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We were just talking about this today in a work session,

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so I understand the concern there, but as property

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taxpayers,

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it's the impact fees that we charge the developers for

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coming in,

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and they're charged up front for this.

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And it goes on--it's attached to the cost of the house,

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so it's that buyer that pays for that.

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It won't be passed on to the ratepayers.

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And there's two sets of taxes.

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There's the tax on the home, and there's the tax on the

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land.

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So the homeowner has a tax,

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and then I have to pay a tax on the property as well, so--

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Okay, somebody mentioned--

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What's that?

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Somebody mentioned that this--the kind of taxes y'all will

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be responsible for

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be personal--personal property taxes.

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Probably the homeowner will have a real estate tax for

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improved property

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for putting in the utilities and the roads,

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what the value is of that finished lot or stand.

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Okay, so--

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It will be taxed on the overall project,

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whereas individual homeowners will be taxed on their home.

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Okay.

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Separate.

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So you'll be taxed each year or just that one time?

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We get taxed every year.

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Okay, okay.

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And then the homeowner, of course--

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One other thing, when we're talking about taxes,

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also we pay the city taxes,

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but this is a gated community with private streets.

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The city doesn't pay for the streets,

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doesn't pay for improvements on the streets.

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The subdivision north of us that needs work,

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in our development, if it needs work, we have to fix it.

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It's not a city responsibility.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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Commissioner Prunetta.

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Yeah, just a couple of questions.

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So one of the things that was bought up was you guys owning

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the land

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and charging a lease amount, right, on that one?

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Correct.

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What are the terms of the lease and how often do the

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homeowners

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lock in a rate on that for a certain period of time,

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or is that for the length of their ownership?

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It normally depends on your competition,

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and our competition is the communities on each side of us,

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which are owned by Yes Communities,

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which is the largest owner of manufactured housing

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developments

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in the country, multi-billion dollar corporation.

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So we'll have to base off whatever they're charging

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and whatever type of leases they do.

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So if they're-- last one I heard they were doing five-year

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leases,

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so I'll have to get up to date on what they're at now.

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So based on your current model, would you say that a five-

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year lease

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would be what you guys would offer at the--

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If our competition continues to do that, probably, yeah.

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Okay.

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Yeah, we-- it's hard to be successful

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and be very far apart from your competition.

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Okay.

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The other thing, some of the property owners adjacent to

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you,

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we're showing pictures of runoff and basically drainage.

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What measures have you guys taken,

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what analysis have you guys done to ensure that--

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I know we're not touching the ESA,

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but in terms of what else you guys are building,

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is there something that you guys have kind of looked into

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to ensure that we're not flooding anybody else close by?

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Environmentally sensitive area.

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It's the wooded area that will remain untouched.

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I messed up the labels, sorry.

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Yes, that's the zoning process at this time.

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The next step is platting.

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We have to do-- with the platting,

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we have to do detailed drainage studies for this whole

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project.

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What's coming from us from off-site,

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where our drainage and where it leaves our project.

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The city has a standard process that you have to do.

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It's a downstream assessment.

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We have to do $50,000 to $60,000 worth of engineering

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just to determine where the drainage is going

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and how is it adversely, if adversely,

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impacting anybody downstream of us.

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There's a threshold about how far you studied down the

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creek.

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As standard practice, it's an ordinance the city has

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that we have to follow.

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With our final plaque construction plans,

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we have to determine that.

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Most likely, in my opinion, we're going to be probably

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having to tension on our property to ensure

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we don't adversely impact downstream.

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Probably on Monday night, I had spoken to a lady

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that lives around this pond downstream of this draw.

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We had the same conversation.

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Just a minute ago, another gentleman who lives next to that

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creek.

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We have to do those things.

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It's a standard process.

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We can't go moving out to dirt until those drainage studies

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are approved.

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My gut tells me after doing this 25 years and knowing what

06:27:52.459 --> 06:27:52.459
it's --

06:27:52.459 --> 06:27:53.459
we're going to detain.

06:27:53.459 --> 06:27:56.220
We're going to probably detain whether the report says we

06:27:56.220 --> 06:27:57.459
should or shouldn't

06:27:57.459 --> 06:27:59.459
because we're hearing what's going on.

06:27:59.459 --> 06:28:02.459
It's better to detain and not take the risk.

06:28:02.459 --> 06:28:04.459
-Okay.

06:28:04.459 --> 06:28:08.459
-Mr. Sanchez.

06:28:08.459 --> 06:28:13.090
-I want to talk a little bit about the value of these

06:28:13.090 --> 06:28:14.459
modular homes.

06:28:14.459 --> 06:28:18.630
What range are you going to be looking at as far as in

06:28:18.630 --> 06:28:20.459
mobile homes?

06:28:20.459 --> 06:28:23.459
I mean, there's a big difference in price, I think,

06:28:23.459 --> 06:28:25.459
between a modular home and a mobile home.

06:28:25.459 --> 06:28:26.459
Is that correct?

06:28:26.459 --> 06:28:27.459
-Yeah.

06:28:27.459 --> 06:28:32.459
There's been a lot of confusion tonight on what a home is.

06:28:32.459 --> 06:28:35.459
A mobile home is what people are calling trailers

06:28:35.459 --> 06:28:37.459
that were built before July 1976.

06:28:37.459 --> 06:28:40.459
Then their federal standards came in on how to build a home

06:28:40.459 --> 06:28:40.459
,

06:28:40.459 --> 06:28:42.459
and it became a manufactured home,

06:28:42.459 --> 06:28:45.459
and you had to meet these guidelines across the country.

06:28:45.459 --> 06:28:47.459
So it totally changed the industry.

06:28:47.459 --> 06:28:50.830
A manufactured home can be one section, two sections, three

06:28:50.830 --> 06:28:51.459
sections

06:28:51.459 --> 06:28:55.459
bolted together on a foundation.

06:28:55.459 --> 06:28:58.459
A modular home is built in the same factory.

06:28:58.459 --> 06:29:01.459
The difference is it's not set on a frame with wheels.

06:29:01.459 --> 06:29:03.939
It's set on a truck, and it's brought out and it's lifted

06:29:03.939 --> 06:29:04.459
with a crane.

06:29:04.459 --> 06:29:08.459
On the manufactured homes, you're going to see prices from

06:29:08.459 --> 06:29:10.459
the high 30s,

06:29:10.459 --> 06:29:14.459
low 40s into $100,000.

06:29:14.459 --> 06:29:17.459
On a modular home, you're going to see prices from $50,000

06:29:17.459 --> 06:29:19.459
to multimillion-dollar homes,

06:29:19.459 --> 06:29:23.459
just depending on where you are and what they're building.

06:29:23.459 --> 06:29:27.020
Anything you can site-build, you can build with a modular

06:29:27.020 --> 06:29:27.459
also.

06:29:27.459 --> 06:29:29.459
So that's why the prices can get so high on those.

06:29:29.459 --> 06:29:32.459
In this development, most of the homes you're going to see,

06:29:32.459 --> 06:29:37.029
they're going to be from the 40s to 90 to 100, somewhere in

06:29:37.029 --> 06:29:37.459
there.

06:29:37.459 --> 06:29:40.209
You will see some above that, but most of them will be in

06:29:40.209 --> 06:29:40.459
that range.

06:29:40.459 --> 06:29:43.459
And since you deal somewhat with the mobile homes,

06:29:43.459 --> 06:29:48.459
do you know what kind of interest rate on a new type of--

06:29:48.459 --> 06:29:53.250
A lot is based on your credit, but you also have kind of

06:29:53.250 --> 06:29:54.459
like a range?

06:29:54.459 --> 06:29:56.459
The last I heard when I talked with Palm Harbor,

06:29:56.459 --> 06:29:58.459
they were five to seven if you have good credit.

06:29:58.459 --> 06:30:01.459
If you had bad credit, it was closer to 10.

06:30:01.459 --> 06:30:05.400
But it's going to fluctuate with every other house interest

06:30:05.400 --> 06:30:06.459
rate also.

06:30:06.459 --> 06:30:10.630
And I think the VA or HUD also provides lens money for

06:30:10.630 --> 06:30:11.459
mobile homes.

06:30:11.459 --> 06:30:12.459
Is that correct?

06:30:12.459 --> 06:30:15.459
Well, HUD would, but that's if it's tied to the property

06:30:15.459 --> 06:30:17.459
and they own the property.

06:30:17.459 --> 06:30:23.459
We're not doing that.

06:30:23.459 --> 06:30:24.459
Christian Ellis.

06:30:24.459 --> 06:30:25.459
Thank you, Chair.

06:30:25.459 --> 06:30:26.459
A couple quick questions.

06:30:26.459 --> 06:30:30.459
Did you meet with DISD at all?

06:30:30.459 --> 06:30:33.459
No, not that I'm aware of.

06:30:33.459 --> 06:30:37.459
We did not have a meeting with DSD.

06:30:37.459 --> 06:30:43.220
Also, do you have a percentage of your developments that

06:30:43.220 --> 06:30:44.459
you sell?

06:30:44.459 --> 06:30:47.459
Of all my developments?

06:30:47.459 --> 06:30:50.459
Is there an average?

06:30:50.459 --> 06:30:52.459
I assume you've sold some.

06:30:52.459 --> 06:30:55.330
Yeah, in the past, it depends who we partnered with at

06:30:55.330 --> 06:30:56.459
different times.

06:30:56.459 --> 06:30:58.869
We were partners with Robert Bass for a while and then H

06:30:58.869 --> 06:30:59.459
icks Muse.

06:30:59.459 --> 06:31:02.459
Right now, we have an Asian group that we're partners with.

06:31:02.459 --> 06:31:03.459
They're a little different.

06:31:03.459 --> 06:31:04.459
The first two like to sell things.

06:31:04.459 --> 06:31:06.459
These like to hold on to things.

06:31:06.459 --> 06:31:09.459
So right now, we currently don't have any plans to sell any

06:31:09.459 --> 06:31:10.459
developments.

06:31:10.459 --> 06:31:12.459
It depends on your investor, it sounds like.

06:31:12.459 --> 06:31:15.459
Exactly.

06:31:15.459 --> 06:31:16.459
Commissioner Smith.

06:31:16.459 --> 06:31:23.459
Thank you, Chair.

06:31:23.459 --> 06:31:26.619
Safety concerns that were brought up earlier tonight and

06:31:26.619 --> 06:31:27.459
some of the things.

06:31:27.459 --> 06:31:30.220
I hate it when from the DISD you come up here and you start

06:31:30.220 --> 06:31:30.459
saying,

06:31:30.459 --> 06:31:33.159
"All right, applicant, you're ready for some more to heap

06:31:33.159 --> 06:31:35.459
onto your load of crap you got to eat now?"

06:31:35.459 --> 06:31:38.619
But there's some safety concerns that have been definitely

06:31:38.619 --> 06:31:39.459
brought up.

06:31:39.459 --> 06:31:42.799
You guys are completely willing to bend and help work on

06:31:42.799 --> 06:31:44.459
those safety concerns?

06:31:44.459 --> 06:31:47.459
Yeah, they brought up the traffic concerns.

06:31:47.459 --> 06:31:50.459
I understand their development wasn't built right.

06:31:50.459 --> 06:31:52.459
Most people don't know it.

06:31:52.459 --> 06:31:55.459
They go in and they buy their dream house.

06:31:55.459 --> 06:31:57.580
Then they start finding out there's problems like they're

06:31:57.580 --> 06:31:59.459
on a collector street.

06:31:59.459 --> 06:32:01.689
The street isn't wide enough and it didn't have curves and

06:32:01.689 --> 06:32:03.459
it didn't have sidewalk.

06:32:03.459 --> 06:32:05.459
If we can help, yeah, that'd be great.

06:32:05.459 --> 06:32:07.130
We want to be good neighbors and I know it doesn't sound

06:32:07.130 --> 06:32:09.599
like it because we have one desire and they have a

06:32:09.599 --> 06:32:10.459
different one.

06:32:10.459 --> 06:32:13.409
But if there's a way to work together that helps both, then

06:32:13.409 --> 06:32:14.459
we're all for it.

06:32:14.459 --> 06:32:17.209
It's all the way to the point where if we make it part of a

06:32:17.209 --> 06:32:18.459
restriction within the SCP.

06:32:18.459 --> 06:32:21.459
Yeah, that's part of the overall deal.

06:32:21.459 --> 06:32:24.459
Thank you.

06:32:24.459 --> 06:32:26.459
Thank you, Chair.

06:32:26.459 --> 06:32:30.020
You mentioned a while ago that you might, dealing with

06:32:30.020 --> 06:32:31.869
drainage, you might have to put a detention pond in

06:32:31.869 --> 06:32:32.459
somewhere.

06:32:32.459 --> 06:32:34.459
Where would you put that?

06:32:34.459 --> 06:32:38.139
If that's the turn we need it, it would be kind of on the

06:32:38.139 --> 06:32:39.459
edge of the CSA.

06:32:39.459 --> 06:32:41.459
We wouldn't get into that area.

06:32:41.459 --> 06:32:46.779
But on the edge, it might cause us to have to lose some

06:32:46.779 --> 06:32:47.459
units.

06:32:47.459 --> 06:32:51.599
The zoning sets the maximum, but we might have to lose some

06:32:51.599 --> 06:32:53.459
units there to do that.

06:32:53.459 --> 06:32:55.189
Okay, so right now you don't know if you're going to have

06:32:55.189 --> 06:32:56.459
to, but if you do, that would be?

06:32:56.459 --> 06:32:59.459
No, and that's typical though at this stage at zoning

06:32:59.459 --> 06:33:05.099
because we've done a lot over two years with different

06:33:05.099 --> 06:33:07.459
studies and worked with Michael.

06:33:07.459 --> 06:33:10.939
So you've got to get through zoning before you get too far

06:33:10.939 --> 06:33:12.459
at the engineering.

06:33:12.459 --> 06:33:15.220
But we have to give some of the indication and study it

06:33:15.220 --> 06:33:17.630
initially to have a general idea of what we think it's

06:33:17.630 --> 06:33:18.459
going to be.

06:33:18.459 --> 06:33:22.889
But my gut tells me we do 60,000 articles of studies that's

06:33:22.889 --> 06:33:25.459
going to say detain and we'll detain.

06:33:25.459 --> 06:33:26.459
Okay.

06:33:26.459 --> 06:33:30.049
Let me raise one concern that I just honestly discovered in

06:33:30.049 --> 06:33:32.459
the public hearing, didn't it in the work session.

06:33:32.459 --> 06:33:34.459
If I missed it in there, shame on me.

06:33:34.459 --> 06:33:39.459
But these people aren't owning a lot of land.

06:33:39.459 --> 06:33:41.459
Y'all will own that.

06:33:41.459 --> 06:33:43.459
They'll just own the house on it.

06:33:43.459 --> 06:33:48.369
And it seems to me that's kind of a rental arrangement

06:33:48.369 --> 06:33:49.459
almost.

06:33:49.459 --> 06:33:55.169
And it bothers me that, you know, it just seems like there

06:33:55.169 --> 06:33:59.569
's that element there that would hold them there longer if

06:33:59.569 --> 06:34:01.459
they own the land along with the home.

06:34:01.459 --> 06:34:03.459
But not doing that, it does.

06:34:03.459 --> 06:34:07.220
I can see the concern that, you know, they would not get

06:34:07.220 --> 06:34:10.849
back the value that they put into their house or if they

06:34:10.849 --> 06:34:14.740
wanted to move the house, you know, then you have that

06:34:14.740 --> 06:34:15.459
issue.

06:34:15.459 --> 06:34:20.459
So should I be concerned?

06:34:20.459 --> 06:34:21.459
And if not, why?

06:34:21.459 --> 06:34:22.459
It depends.

06:34:22.459 --> 06:34:26.020
You know, we've had one commissioner and a couple of the

06:34:26.020 --> 06:34:30.080
people in the audience talk about that they have lived in a

06:34:30.080 --> 06:34:32.459
manufactured home or a mobile home in the past.

06:34:32.459 --> 06:34:36.400
And they've moved up now into, quote, a real home or a

06:34:36.400 --> 06:34:39.459
stick-built home, site-built home.

06:34:39.459 --> 06:34:40.459
It is a way to move up.

06:34:40.459 --> 06:34:42.459
I know a lot of people don't believe it.

06:34:42.459 --> 06:34:47.110
But if you think about the situation, if you compare two

06:34:47.110 --> 06:34:51.970
families and one is buying a manufactured home and renting

06:34:51.970 --> 06:34:56.750
a lot, and one is renting an apartment, after 15 years, let

06:34:56.750 --> 06:35:00.459
's say on the financing, that manufactured home is paid off.

06:35:00.459 --> 06:35:02.459
Is it worth more or worth less?

06:35:02.459 --> 06:35:04.459
Well, I don't know.

06:35:04.459 --> 06:35:05.459
You don't know.

06:35:05.459 --> 06:35:07.459
No one knows until they sell it.

06:35:07.459 --> 06:35:09.459
But they get something.

06:35:09.459 --> 06:35:11.459
You live in that apartment 15 years.

06:35:11.459 --> 06:35:13.459
Are you lease a house for 15 years?

06:35:13.459 --> 06:35:16.880
At the end of the 15 years, the landlord doesn't give you a

06:35:16.880 --> 06:35:17.459
check.

06:35:17.459 --> 06:35:21.459
They don't say thanks and here's some equity back.

06:35:21.459 --> 06:35:23.459
You know, so yeah, do they own the whole thing?

06:35:23.459 --> 06:35:24.459
No.

06:35:24.459 --> 06:35:26.459
They own everything above the ground.

06:35:26.459 --> 06:35:29.880
But the dirt itself, the pad site, the utilities in the

06:35:29.880 --> 06:35:32.459
ground, we own that and we lease that.

06:35:32.459 --> 06:35:36.029
Well, where I was going with that and what bothers me is it

06:35:36.029 --> 06:35:39.590
does, you know, you can put a comparison there of multif

06:35:39.590 --> 06:35:41.459
amily homes and renting.

06:35:41.459 --> 06:35:46.159
In this situation here, again, there's that element that's

06:35:46.159 --> 06:35:50.610
the loss of staying there longer, for lack of a better term

06:35:50.610 --> 06:35:55.069
, where if you own the land plus the house, there's more of

06:35:55.069 --> 06:35:58.459
an inclination to stay there and lock in there.

06:35:58.459 --> 06:36:03.479
So I do understand the concern that this place could go

06:36:03.479 --> 06:36:06.459
downhill as a result of that.

06:36:06.459 --> 06:36:09.279
And that's one of the reasons why I asked for some of your

06:36:09.279 --> 06:36:12.459
locations where I'd like to actually personally go see.

06:36:12.459 --> 06:36:14.770
And everybody needs to understand here whatever decision we

06:36:14.770 --> 06:36:15.459
make tonight.

06:36:15.459 --> 06:36:16.459
It's not the final one.

06:36:16.459 --> 06:36:19.459
If it's not the one you like, it goes to city council.

06:36:19.459 --> 06:36:21.459
So just so you understand that.

06:36:21.459 --> 06:36:23.459
So there's still time to pick at this.

06:36:23.459 --> 06:36:26.459
I expect to see them and all their friends.

06:36:26.459 --> 06:36:28.459
We'll give them warning.

06:36:28.459 --> 06:36:31.459
All right. Thank you.

06:36:31.459 --> 06:36:33.459
So we have no other questions.

06:36:33.459 --> 06:36:36.750
The only one I had, I've been trying to jot down as much as

06:36:36.750 --> 06:36:38.459
I can from everyone here.

06:36:38.459 --> 06:36:40.459
And I have a lot of questions for Cindy.

06:36:40.459 --> 06:36:43.540
But one that I haven't heard that I just want to get on the

06:36:43.540 --> 06:36:46.459
record was an issue about stacking the parking.

06:36:46.459 --> 06:36:48.459
Someone asked how long a car was.

06:36:48.459 --> 06:36:51.900
Can you let me know or let everyone know the driveway is 20

06:36:51.900 --> 06:36:52.459
feet?

06:36:52.459 --> 06:36:54.459
Is there going to be garages, carports?

06:36:54.459 --> 06:36:57.220
Can you tell us a little bit about how cars are going to

06:36:57.220 --> 06:36:58.459
park on the property?

06:36:58.459 --> 06:37:03.310
So there'll be a driveway that's 20 feet, that's 20 feet

06:37:03.310 --> 06:37:06.459
deep for two cars in front of each unit.

06:37:06.459 --> 06:37:11.459
As far as garages, I mean it's --

06:37:11.459 --> 06:37:14.459
Garages or carports are up to the homebuyer.

06:37:14.459 --> 06:37:17.459
They can be added to any of the houses there.

06:37:17.459 --> 06:37:20.459
You want to address the street widths also and stuff?

06:37:20.459 --> 06:37:23.459
So the street widths, they're public streets.

06:37:23.459 --> 06:37:25.459
So the pavement's 31 foot back to back.

06:37:25.459 --> 06:37:29.740
We've went ahead and made the wider -- City of Denton's

06:37:29.740 --> 06:37:32.459
gone to 31 feet from 28.

06:37:32.459 --> 06:37:35.459
So they're -- but we went ahead and made the wider streets

06:37:35.459 --> 06:37:41.459
that the city's adopted, but they are private streets.

06:37:41.459 --> 06:37:42.459
Perfect.

06:37:42.459 --> 06:37:45.459
And the 20 feet, that is city code for two cars, correct?

06:37:45.459 --> 06:37:47.619
That's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:37:47.619 --> 06:37:48.459
across the city.

06:37:48.459 --> 06:37:51.540
We do a lot of other just traditional single-family in Dent

06:37:51.540 --> 06:37:53.459
on is 20 feet and in our city.

06:37:53.459 --> 06:37:55.659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:37:55.659 --> 06:37:56.459
across the city.

06:37:56.459 --> 06:37:58.659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:37:58.659 --> 06:37:59.459
across the city.

06:37:59.459 --> 06:38:01.659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:38:01.659 --> 06:38:02.459
across the city.

06:38:02.459 --> 06:38:04.659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:38:04.659 --> 06:38:05.459
across the city.

06:38:05.459 --> 06:38:07.659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:38:07.659 --> 06:38:08.459
across the city.

06:38:08.459 --> 06:38:10.659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:38:10.659 --> 06:38:11.459
across the city.

06:38:11.459 --> 06:38:13.659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:38:13.659 --> 06:38:14.459
across the city.

06:38:14.459 --> 06:38:16.659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:38:16.659 --> 06:38:17.459
across the city.

06:38:17.459 --> 06:38:19.659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:38:19.659 --> 06:38:20.459
across the city.

06:38:20.459 --> 06:38:22.659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:38:22.659 --> 06:38:23.459
across the city.

06:38:23.459 --> 06:38:25.659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:38:25.659 --> 06:38:26.459
across the city.

06:38:26.459 --> 06:38:28.659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:38:28.659 --> 06:38:29.459
across the city.

06:38:29.459 --> 06:38:31.659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:38:31.659 --> 06:38:32.459
across the city.

06:38:32.459 --> 06:38:34.659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:38:34.659 --> 06:38:35.459
across the city.

06:38:35.459 --> 06:38:37.659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:38:37.659 --> 06:38:38.459
across the city.

06:38:38.459 --> 06:38:40.659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:38:40.659 --> 06:38:41.459
across the city.

06:38:41.459 --> 06:38:43.659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:38:43.659 --> 06:38:44.459
across the city.

06:38:44.459 --> 06:38:46.659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:38:46.659 --> 06:38:47.459
across the city.

06:38:47.459 --> 06:38:49.659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:38:49.659 --> 06:38:50.459
across the city.

06:38:50.459 --> 06:38:52.659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:38:52.659 --> 06:38:53.459
across the city.

06:38:53.459 --> 06:38:55.659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:38:55.659 --> 06:38:56.459
across the city.

06:38:56.459 --> 06:38:58.659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:38:58.659 --> 06:38:59.459
across the city.

06:38:59.459 --> 06:39:01.659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:39:01.659 --> 06:39:02.459
across the city.

06:39:02.459 --> 06:39:04.659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:39:04.659 --> 06:39:05.459
across the city.

06:39:05.459 --> 06:39:07.659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:39:07.659 --> 06:39:08.459
across the city.

06:39:08.459 --> 06:39:10.659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:39:10.659 --> 06:39:11.459
across the city.

06:39:11.459 --> 06:39:13.659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:39:13.659 --> 06:39:14.459
across the city.

06:39:14.459 --> 06:39:16.659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:39:16.659 --> 06:39:17.459
across the city.

06:39:17.459 --> 06:39:19.659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:39:19.659 --> 06:39:20.459
across the city.

06:39:20.459 --> 06:39:22.659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:39:22.659 --> 06:39:23.459
across the city.

06:39:23.459 --> 06:39:25.659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:39:25.659 --> 06:39:26.459
across the city.

06:39:26.459 --> 06:39:28.659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:39:28.659 --> 06:39:29.459
across the city.

06:39:29.459 --> 06:39:31.659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:39:31.659 --> 06:39:32.459
across the city.

06:39:32.459 --> 06:39:34.659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:39:34.659 --> 06:39:35.459
across the city.

06:39:35.459 --> 06:39:37.659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:39:37.659 --> 06:39:38.459
across the city.

06:39:38.459 --> 06:39:40.659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

06:39:40.659 --> 06:39:41.459
across the city.

06:39:41.459 --> 06:39:44.459
And I think that's a good question.

06:39:44.459 --> 06:39:45.180
I mean, when I first came on three years ago, there was a

06:39:45.180 --> 06:39:45.459
big problem.

06:39:45.459 --> 06:39:47.459
The signs are bigger.

06:39:47.459 --> 06:39:49.459
The mailings are different.

06:39:49.459 --> 06:39:51.459
They used to just go to the property owner.

06:39:51.459 --> 06:39:54.889
So if that property owner leased it, that individual wouldn

06:39:54.889 --> 06:39:56.459
't get the information.

06:39:56.459 --> 06:40:01.459
The guy who owned it in some other county would.

06:40:01.459 --> 06:40:05.459
And that raises the issue here.

06:40:05.459 --> 06:40:07.459
And I know this isn't going to be what you want to hear.

06:40:07.459 --> 06:40:11.599
But what we're looking at, most of you live in Lakeland

06:40:11.599 --> 06:40:13.459
Village, is that it?

06:40:13.459 --> 06:40:15.459
Lakeview Village.

06:40:15.459 --> 06:40:18.459
Ranch, thank you, sorry.

06:40:18.459 --> 06:40:19.459
Where's it been?

06:40:19.459 --> 06:40:20.459
I've been through there.

06:40:20.459 --> 06:40:21.459
I've been through there.

06:40:21.459 --> 06:40:22.459
I used to work for David Weekly Homes.

06:40:22.459 --> 06:40:24.459
And one time we thought we were going to build in there,

06:40:24.459 --> 06:40:25.459
and they didn't do it.

06:40:25.459 --> 06:40:30.250
But anyway, you all are outside of the limit that when we

06:40:30.250 --> 06:40:31.459
look at something,

06:40:31.459 --> 06:40:34.459
we look at this area that's in the immediacy of it.

06:40:34.459 --> 06:40:38.459
Now, we understand that it can still impact other areas.

06:40:38.459 --> 06:40:40.459
And we look at that, we're concerned about the traffic,

06:40:40.459 --> 06:40:42.459
about drainage and stuff like that.

06:40:42.459 --> 06:40:44.459
That has to be addressed as we move along.

06:40:44.459 --> 06:40:47.860
If we approve this thing tonight, it will come back and we

06:40:47.860 --> 06:40:49.459
'll review the site plan.

06:40:49.459 --> 06:40:52.439
And we'll make sure that drainage and roads and all those

06:40:52.439 --> 06:40:54.459
things are addressed in a second.

06:40:54.459 --> 06:40:57.459
So that's what we're looking at.

06:40:57.459 --> 06:41:03.709
We're kind of confined by the area that this development is

06:41:03.709 --> 06:41:06.459
going to directly impact.

06:41:06.459 --> 06:41:09.299
And you all are sitting just outside of that, even though

06:41:09.299 --> 06:41:14.459
you'll be affected to some degree on some levels.

06:41:14.459 --> 06:41:17.459
If I can ask legal to interject here.

06:41:17.459 --> 06:41:20.459
Yeah, I was just going to point out that the notifications

06:41:20.459 --> 06:41:23.779
go out to the address that's shown on the most recently

06:41:23.779 --> 06:41:25.459
approved municipal tax rules.

06:41:25.459 --> 06:41:28.459
So that's not going to include ETJ property.

06:41:28.459 --> 06:41:31.459
That's going to be the property within the city.

06:41:31.459 --> 06:41:34.459
And it's going to be the most recent address.

06:41:34.459 --> 06:41:37.459
It's on the most recently approved municipal tax rules.

06:41:37.459 --> 06:41:44.180
So if it goes to a different address, it may be because the

06:41:44.180 --> 06:41:47.459
tax office says it wrong.

06:41:47.459 --> 06:41:52.459
Mr. Burnetta, what's your name?

06:41:52.459 --> 06:41:58.459
Chair, may I bring Brian up to Mr. Fletcher?

06:41:58.459 --> 06:42:02.459
You'll need to come to the mic.

06:42:02.459 --> 06:42:06.459
Which one? Sure.

06:42:06.459 --> 06:42:09.349
So anything that shades, we send notifications and the

06:42:09.349 --> 06:42:10.459
register marker.

06:42:10.459 --> 06:42:15.459
Well, actually, we sent notifications inside the blue line.

06:42:15.459 --> 06:42:19.459
The blue line is 500 feet and the red line is 200.

06:42:19.459 --> 06:42:24.459
The shading or those are the people who sent in responses.

06:42:24.459 --> 06:42:27.459
OK, thank you.

06:42:27.459 --> 06:42:30.459
Commissioner Burnetta.

06:42:30.459 --> 06:42:33.240
So I just wanted to clarify. So the red is within 200 feet

06:42:33.240 --> 06:42:34.459
of the area, right?

06:42:34.459 --> 06:42:37.459
So that's roughly like 65 yards.

06:42:37.459 --> 06:42:40.549
I don't know if anybody plays golf, but that's a chip shot

06:42:40.549 --> 06:42:41.459
pretty much.

06:42:41.459 --> 06:42:44.459
It's basically something that's across the street.

06:42:44.459 --> 06:42:49.819
So that's the area that gets certified. Anything within the

06:42:49.819 --> 06:42:50.459
blue got a postcard, correct?

06:42:50.459 --> 06:42:52.459
Got a postcard sent to the property address.

06:42:52.459 --> 06:42:55.459
Within the red, it was sent to the property owner.

06:42:55.459 --> 06:43:01.220
So from the yellow line, which is the subject site, to the

06:43:01.220 --> 06:43:02.459
blue line,

06:43:02.459 --> 06:43:06.459
postcards were sent to property addresses.

06:43:06.459 --> 06:43:09.950
So that there's an occupant in there that the site is being

06:43:09.950 --> 06:43:11.459
leased or rented,

06:43:11.459 --> 06:43:14.459
the occupant would get it.

06:43:14.459 --> 06:43:19.919
Anyone within this red area, it was a certified letter that

06:43:19.919 --> 06:43:22.459
went to the property owner.

06:43:22.459 --> 06:43:26.619
And a postcard. And based on what I'm looking at here, I'd

06:43:26.619 --> 06:43:28.459
say the majority of the residents here

06:43:28.459 --> 06:43:31.209
are probably about three quarters of a mile from the

06:43:31.209 --> 06:43:33.459
property that we're looking at.

06:43:33.459 --> 06:43:38.520
So that would account for them not feeling like they were

06:43:38.520 --> 06:43:40.459
notified.

06:43:40.459 --> 06:43:44.459
I'm going to check into that tomorrow to verify.

06:43:44.459 --> 06:43:49.389
But it kind of looks like some of them were outside of the

06:43:49.389 --> 06:43:51.459
limit at this time.

06:43:51.459 --> 06:43:57.459
Excellent. Thank you very much.

06:43:57.459 --> 06:43:58.459
Yes, Mr. Bagg.

06:43:58.459 --> 06:43:59.459
Real quick. Thanks, Chair.

06:43:59.459 --> 06:44:03.459
The signs, are they within the 200 or the 500 foot?

06:44:03.459 --> 06:44:05.459
The signs are on the property.

06:44:05.459 --> 06:44:08.459
On the property itself, okay.

06:44:08.459 --> 06:44:17.459
Right. They are signs were put here and here and here.

06:44:17.459 --> 06:44:19.459
Okay. Thank you.

06:44:19.459 --> 06:44:22.200
So you have a couple of questions that haven't been

06:44:22.200 --> 06:44:22.459
addressed yet,

06:44:22.459 --> 06:44:24.459
but I just want to make sure we cover.

06:44:24.459 --> 06:44:26.529
The first thing, an individual brought up the lift station

06:44:26.529 --> 06:44:27.459
and infrastructure.

06:44:27.459 --> 06:44:30.459
Can you tell me about the process of looking at

06:44:30.459 --> 06:44:34.459
infrastructure's capacity for a project like this?

06:44:34.459 --> 06:44:38.590
I know that's part of the engineering and I'm sorry, I don

06:44:38.590 --> 06:44:39.459
't know very much about it.

06:44:39.459 --> 06:44:41.330
That's typically something that's covered by the

06:44:41.330 --> 06:44:42.459
engineering department.

06:44:42.459 --> 06:44:43.459
Sure.

06:44:43.459 --> 06:44:48.880
However, it is something that is looked at at the time of

06:44:48.880 --> 06:44:50.459
permitting.

06:44:50.459 --> 06:44:52.459
Okay.

06:44:52.459 --> 06:44:57.459
Actually, plotting is when the infrastructure is looked at.

06:44:57.459 --> 06:44:59.459
And I know with this particular site,

06:44:59.459 --> 06:45:02.610
the applicant has already said he expects to have to

06:45:02.610 --> 06:45:04.459
improve the lift station.

06:45:04.459 --> 06:45:05.459
Okay. Perfect.

06:45:05.459 --> 06:45:08.819
The other question that was brought up a couple of times in

06:45:08.819 --> 06:45:09.459
this one,

06:45:09.459 --> 06:45:13.400
if you could provide some historicity to it, the zoning to

06:45:13.400 --> 06:45:16.459
the west was NR2.

06:45:16.459 --> 06:45:19.619
Can you tell me anything you know about why that was NR2 or

06:45:19.619 --> 06:45:22.459
the process in which that became NR2?

06:45:22.459 --> 06:45:29.459
That became NR2 in 2002 during the citywide rezoning. As to

06:45:29.459 --> 06:45:29.459
why,

06:45:29.459 --> 06:45:34.630
the only thing I can think of is that they matched it to

06:45:34.630 --> 06:45:38.619
future land use designation and not what the use was on the

06:45:38.619 --> 06:45:39.459
ground.

06:45:39.459 --> 06:45:42.720
Is it considered a nonconforming use right now? Is it

06:45:42.720 --> 06:45:43.459
exempted?

06:45:43.459 --> 06:45:46.459
Yes, it is.

06:45:46.459 --> 06:45:48.459
Maybe not.

06:45:48.459 --> 06:45:54.459
There's a provision in the code that if a mobile home park

06:45:54.459 --> 06:45:55.459
was legal,

06:45:55.459 --> 06:45:58.599
which this one most likely would have been because it was

06:45:58.599 --> 06:45:59.459
annexed in.

06:45:59.459 --> 06:46:03.650
So if it was legal on the date of when this code was, the

06:46:03.650 --> 06:46:05.459
2002 code was adopted,

06:46:05.459 --> 06:46:11.459
it was automatically granted SUP status.

06:46:11.459 --> 06:46:12.459
Special exception.

06:46:12.459 --> 06:46:14.459
I'm sorry, special exception.

06:46:14.459 --> 06:46:19.689
It's the initial adoption of the 2002 Dental Development

06:46:19.689 --> 06:46:21.459
Code and the rezoning at that time.

06:46:21.459 --> 06:46:25.459
If the initial adoption made any existing use illegal,

06:46:25.459 --> 06:46:32.880
it would be granted special exception status for being a

06:46:32.880 --> 06:46:34.459
legal use.

06:46:34.459 --> 06:46:35.459
Perfect. Thank you for the explanation.

06:46:35.459 --> 06:46:39.020
The last thing I have, and I think this might just tip off

06:46:39.020 --> 06:46:41.459
the discussion towards a vote,

06:46:41.459 --> 06:46:46.459
but it's the thought of speed mitigation.

06:46:46.459 --> 06:46:50.459
It's been brought up about what can be done.

06:46:50.459 --> 06:46:54.659
The overwhelming thing that I've taken away from this is it

06:46:54.659 --> 06:46:58.459
's Lakeview Speedway and it's terrible.

06:46:58.459 --> 06:47:02.950
And so I would like to entertain a discussion about what

06:47:02.950 --> 06:47:06.669
can be done without overburdening a developer that's a mile

06:47:06.669 --> 06:47:07.459
away.

06:47:07.459 --> 06:47:09.459
So I don't know the options.

06:47:09.459 --> 06:47:11.459
I know Mr. Smith has brought that up.

06:47:11.459 --> 06:47:13.459
We had a thumbs up earlier from it.

06:47:13.459 --> 06:47:14.459
I don't know what the city can do.

06:47:14.459 --> 06:47:19.459
But as we look towards a vote with a litany of conditions,

06:47:19.459 --> 06:47:23.400
I don't know, and this would be legal or what we can do in

06:47:23.400 --> 06:47:26.459
terms of mitigating on a separate property.

06:47:26.459 --> 06:47:31.000
With this particular project, the applicant has pretty much

06:47:31.000 --> 06:47:35.459
steered all the traffic away from Trinity and Lakeview.

06:47:35.459 --> 06:47:43.340
We can't -- If we could maintain order in the -- We can't

06:47:43.340 --> 06:47:46.459
require the applicant to improve offsite.

06:47:46.459 --> 06:47:53.389
However, what can be done is talking to the transportation

06:47:53.389 --> 06:47:57.459
engineer and making him aware of the situation.

06:47:57.459 --> 06:48:01.099
I know that he's in the process of amending the mobility

06:48:01.099 --> 06:48:04.459
plan and looking to see where roads need to be improved.

06:48:04.459 --> 06:48:10.459
And this may be one that he needs to look at as well.

06:48:10.459 --> 06:48:11.459
Okay.

06:48:11.459 --> 06:48:13.459
Commissioner Pernitta.

06:48:13.459 --> 06:48:15.490
Yeah, I just wanted to circle back real quick on the

06:48:15.490 --> 06:48:16.459
special exception.

06:48:16.459 --> 06:48:20.220
Is that transferable or is that simply for whoever -- for

06:48:20.220 --> 06:48:21.459
the current owner?

06:48:21.459 --> 06:48:25.459
And would that exception expire if that property was sold?

06:48:25.459 --> 06:48:28.279
The exception -- Wouldn't it expire if it were vacant for

06:48:28.279 --> 06:48:29.459
six months like age?

06:48:29.459 --> 06:48:33.400
Well, first of all, again, it's SUP, not a special

06:48:33.400 --> 06:48:34.459
exception.

06:48:34.459 --> 06:48:39.810
But the -- It's not an issue of -- It's an expiration if it

06:48:39.810 --> 06:48:41.459
's not built.

06:48:41.459 --> 06:48:44.840
That's the provision that's in the -- The property to the

06:48:44.840 --> 06:48:45.459
west.

06:48:45.459 --> 06:48:46.459
I'm sorry?

06:48:46.459 --> 06:48:48.459
The property to the west that's NR2.

06:48:48.459 --> 06:48:50.459
That's what Commissioner Pernitta's talking about.

06:48:50.459 --> 06:48:51.459
I'm sorry.

06:48:51.459 --> 06:48:52.459
Yeah, the NR2.

06:48:52.459 --> 06:48:53.459
Could you restate the question?

06:48:53.459 --> 06:48:54.459
Oh, the NR2.

06:48:54.459 --> 06:48:59.680
The mobile home park that's right next to the high school,

06:48:59.680 --> 06:49:03.459
which is in an NR2, but it has a special exception?

06:49:03.459 --> 06:49:05.459
You're asking if the special exception expires?

06:49:05.459 --> 06:49:06.459
It does not.

06:49:06.459 --> 06:49:07.459
Okay.

06:49:07.459 --> 06:49:08.459
Thank you.

06:49:08.459 --> 06:49:09.459
No.

06:49:09.459 --> 06:49:10.459
Commissioner Smith.

06:49:10.459 --> 06:49:11.459
Hey, Chair.

06:49:11.459 --> 06:49:13.459
Just two questions.

06:49:13.459 --> 06:49:18.459
One, Commissioner Rossell mentioned the speed mitigation,

06:49:18.459 --> 06:49:21.459
so you don't think that we can -- if I get clarification --

06:49:21.459 --> 06:49:22.459
we don't think we can make that a requirement.

06:49:22.459 --> 06:49:27.459
We'd only direct the Transportation Director to look at it.

06:49:27.459 --> 06:49:30.459
That's my recommendation.

06:49:30.459 --> 06:49:34.459
Improvements that are offsite are based on proportionality.

06:49:34.459 --> 06:49:35.459
Of course.

06:49:35.459 --> 06:49:38.459
And based on the TIA.

06:49:38.459 --> 06:49:43.720
And the TIA is saying that most of the -- If I am correct,

06:49:43.720 --> 06:49:49.459
the TIA is saying that the impact isn't going to be there?

06:49:49.459 --> 06:49:50.459
Yeah.

06:49:50.459 --> 06:49:52.459
That's in discussion --

06:49:52.459 --> 06:49:54.459
You can come to the mic.

06:49:54.459 --> 06:49:57.200
That's in discussion with our engineer and the city's

06:49:57.200 --> 06:49:57.459
engineer.

06:49:57.459 --> 06:50:00.740
So we actually all sit in the room four or five times to

06:50:00.740 --> 06:50:04.459
talk about distribution of where traffic is going to go.

06:50:04.459 --> 06:50:08.529
And that's what concluded in that year and a half's worth

06:50:08.529 --> 06:50:12.979
of studies is that when we made the shift and pulled most

06:50:12.979 --> 06:50:16.459
of -- almost all of our traffic away from Trinity,

06:50:16.459 --> 06:50:22.220
and with the timing of McKinney and Mayhill, you know, that

06:50:22.220 --> 06:50:25.669
is one silver lining that maybe, you know, this took two

06:50:25.669 --> 06:50:29.459
years is somewhat maybe unfortunate.

06:50:29.459 --> 06:50:35.549
Any requirements for offsite improvements would be based on

06:50:35.549 --> 06:50:40.409
the traffic impact analysis and if the traffic impact

06:50:40.409 --> 06:50:44.459
analysis says that there would be a negative effect.

06:50:44.459 --> 06:50:48.459
So -- and then it would be based on proportionality.

06:50:48.459 --> 06:50:53.209
I mean, TIA is not done until the true engineering phase,

06:50:53.209 --> 06:50:55.459
not in the zoning phase.

06:50:55.459 --> 06:51:01.459
The other question I had then would be are we ever allowed

06:51:01.459 --> 06:51:07.150
to require a post-bill TIA to be able to show -- because

06:51:07.150 --> 06:51:09.459
here's my issue, Cindy.

06:51:09.459 --> 06:51:12.430
We sit here and we say that safety is probably the number

06:51:12.430 --> 06:51:15.540
one thing that I think everyone in the room can agree on is

06:51:15.540 --> 06:51:17.459
probably the biggest issue is going to come along with the

06:51:17.459 --> 06:51:18.459
approval of this project.

06:51:18.459 --> 06:51:19.459
Definitely.

06:51:19.459 --> 06:51:22.110
So if we sit here and say, well, speed mitigation,

06:51:22.110 --> 06:51:24.060
applicants ready to do it, we as a commission are ready to

06:51:24.060 --> 06:51:27.450
do it, but we're sitting here saying we can't technically

06:51:27.450 --> 06:51:30.009
legally require them to do it because they're not within

06:51:30.009 --> 06:51:30.459
that.

06:51:30.459 --> 06:51:33.470
We can only encourage the director of transportation who's

06:51:33.470 --> 06:51:36.110
got a lot of other things going on in his life to have to

06:51:36.110 --> 06:51:37.459
do something about it.

06:51:37.459 --> 06:51:41.930
Is there any way we can tie something like a post-bill TIA

06:51:41.930 --> 06:51:46.049
to say you need to go back and see is there an increase

06:51:46.049 --> 06:51:49.459
usage of South Trinity after the bill?

06:51:49.459 --> 06:51:51.819
If there is, then at least that would be more evidence to

06:51:51.819 --> 06:51:54.349
go to the director of transportation and say, yep, before

06:51:54.349 --> 06:51:57.459
it was 500 trips a day, now it's 1,500 trips a day.

06:51:57.459 --> 06:52:00.799
Heading north and southbound on that, they're obviously not

06:52:00.799 --> 06:52:03.459
going up to Mills and cutting over to Mayhill.

06:52:03.459 --> 06:52:04.459
That would be dumb.

06:52:04.459 --> 06:52:05.459
They're going through Lakeview.

06:52:05.459 --> 06:52:07.459
So that would be a...

06:52:07.459 --> 06:52:09.459
That doesn't let Richard address it.

06:52:09.459 --> 06:52:11.459
Just one clarification.

06:52:11.459 --> 06:52:15.400
If the applicant were to proffer improvements to reduce

06:52:15.400 --> 06:52:19.430
speed, I think that would be something we could include as

06:52:19.430 --> 06:52:21.459
part of their condition.

06:52:21.459 --> 06:52:25.830
Let me just add that number one, this body is making a

06:52:25.830 --> 06:52:30.610
recommendation to the city council, and ultimately the

06:52:30.610 --> 06:52:35.150
conditions that attach to the SUP are going to be for the

06:52:35.150 --> 06:52:37.459
city council to decide.

06:52:37.459 --> 06:52:41.200
They're going to take into account the comments, the

06:52:41.200 --> 06:52:45.549
specific motion that's made, and even if it's something

06:52:45.549 --> 06:52:48.459
that's outside the scope of an SUP,

06:52:48.459 --> 06:52:51.220
I'm sure that the city council, they're going to be

06:52:51.220 --> 06:52:52.459
watching this video.

06:52:52.459 --> 06:52:54.459
They're going to be reading the minutes.

06:52:54.459 --> 06:52:58.459
They're going to be reading the staff report on that.

06:52:58.459 --> 06:53:02.869
If that's an issue of concern, by all means, bring it up to

06:53:02.869 --> 06:53:04.459
the city council.

06:53:04.459 --> 06:53:08.400
After all, whether it could be part of this SUP or not,

06:53:08.400 --> 06:53:12.310
bear in mind that the city council is the legislative body

06:53:12.310 --> 06:53:13.459
of the city.

06:53:13.459 --> 06:53:17.400
If they need to change the speed limit, they'll change the

06:53:17.400 --> 06:53:21.080
speed limit, and they don't have to come to P&Z to ask

06:53:21.080 --> 06:53:22.459
permission to do it.

06:53:22.459 --> 06:53:24.459
They can do that.

06:53:24.459 --> 06:53:28.459
If they need to change the laws, they can change the laws.

06:53:28.459 --> 06:53:31.509
If they need to do something else to the street, they can

06:53:31.509 --> 06:53:33.459
do something else to the street.

06:53:33.459 --> 06:53:36.849
They are the legislative body, and it doesn't necessarily

06:53:36.849 --> 06:53:39.770
have to be tied to a zoning case or an SUP in order to get

06:53:39.770 --> 06:53:40.459
done.

06:53:40.459 --> 06:53:43.900
- So within our recommendation as a commission, maybe we

06:53:43.900 --> 06:53:45.459
don't have to get specific,

06:53:45.459 --> 06:53:48.490
but we could possibly add an amendment to our SUP for

06:53:48.490 --> 06:53:52.459
recommendation to city council, who is the final,

06:53:52.459 --> 06:53:54.740
along with the super majority, because it's 20%, to say

06:53:54.740 --> 06:53:57.400
that speed mitigation should be considered in the final

06:53:57.400 --> 06:53:58.459
approval of this.

06:53:58.459 --> 06:54:00.459
We don't have to leave it as a final product.

06:54:00.459 --> 06:54:03.459
We can say speed mitigation efforts in some degree.

06:54:03.459 --> 06:54:07.400
- Well, I think you can make the council aware that I'm not

06:54:07.400 --> 06:54:11.380
sure that even making it part of this SUP recommendation is

06:54:11.380 --> 06:54:12.459
necessary.

06:54:12.459 --> 06:54:16.220
I think that your comments to the city council will be

06:54:16.220 --> 06:54:18.459
reviewed, will be heeded.

06:54:18.459 --> 06:54:21.459
They will know that this is going to be an issue.

06:54:21.459 --> 06:54:27.049
And if it's best to put it, I don't think that it's going

06:54:27.049 --> 06:54:31.459
to be best to tie it to this SUP approval.

06:54:31.459 --> 06:54:34.200
I think it's going to be best to deal with it some other

06:54:34.200 --> 06:54:34.459
way.

06:54:34.459 --> 06:54:39.970
- Okay. The second thing that I was going to talk about was

06:54:39.970 --> 06:54:43.459
the tying of the finishing of McKinney,

06:54:43.459 --> 06:54:48.110
or the expansion of McKinney to the release of occupation

06:54:48.110 --> 06:54:49.459
of phase one.

06:54:49.459 --> 06:54:53.520
We can put that to the SCP, correct? We can tie those two

06:54:53.520 --> 06:54:56.159
things together just purely back to the point I made

06:54:56.159 --> 06:54:56.459
earlier,

06:54:56.459 --> 06:54:59.319
that would it want to approve a project that then might

06:54:59.319 --> 06:55:03.439
possibly have 200 residents, 300 residents, however many is

06:55:03.439 --> 06:55:04.459
in the phase one,

06:55:04.459 --> 06:55:08.200
moving into a location and McKinney is not completed due to

06:55:08.200 --> 06:55:11.459
weather or city setback or something like that.

06:55:11.459 --> 06:55:17.080
- So you're talking about a condition that ties the timing

06:55:17.080 --> 06:55:18.459
down to it?

06:55:18.459 --> 06:55:23.060
- I'm not sure that that's going to be something that the

06:55:23.060 --> 06:55:26.459
city council is going to be able to do.

06:55:26.459 --> 06:55:28.459
You can certainly bring it up.

06:55:28.459 --> 06:55:31.869
- But the final plotting, something like that, that won't

06:55:31.869 --> 06:55:37.639
be approved until a timeline is aligned with McKinney four

06:55:37.639 --> 06:55:39.459
lane road being expanded?

06:55:39.459 --> 06:55:43.080
- I don't know that they're going to be in a position to

06:55:43.080 --> 06:55:46.459
hold up a development if something's not ready.

06:55:46.459 --> 06:55:50.509
And I don't really know that I want to get into all of the

06:55:50.509 --> 06:55:54.619
legalities about doing some additional research on it and

06:55:54.619 --> 06:55:58.150
having an opportunity to advise them, you know, confident

06:55:58.150 --> 06:55:58.459
ially.

06:55:58.459 --> 06:56:00.459
- Good.

06:56:00.459 --> 06:56:02.459
- Commissioner Beck.

06:56:02.459 --> 06:56:05.209
- Thanks, Chair. Brent, can I get you to come up one more

06:56:05.209 --> 06:56:05.459
time?

06:56:05.459 --> 06:56:08.509
There appeared to be a little skepticism mentioned about

06:56:08.509 --> 06:56:11.459
how you're directing traffic away from South Trinity.

06:56:11.459 --> 06:56:16.209
So tell me, how would somebody in this development get to

06:56:16.209 --> 06:56:19.849
South Trinity other than coming out on McKinney or the

06:56:19.849 --> 06:56:22.459
exits you're going to have on the west side?

06:56:22.459 --> 06:56:24.689
Is there any, because you're going to have the wall up all

06:56:24.689 --> 06:56:25.459
the way around.

06:56:25.459 --> 06:56:30.189
So they can't access that trailer park community to the

06:56:30.189 --> 06:56:32.459
east there, correct?

06:56:32.459 --> 06:56:34.939
Somebody thought they could cut across there, but I thought

06:56:34.939 --> 06:56:36.459
not if you've got a wall up there.

06:56:36.459 --> 06:56:39.630
- I think what the question was now, I probably need to

06:56:39.630 --> 06:56:42.459
open the other PowerPoint that just closed.

06:56:42.459 --> 06:56:46.400
If you're, I think that the Denton Falls community to our

06:56:46.400 --> 06:56:49.459
south to east, they were talking about, I think they're...

06:56:49.459 --> 06:56:50.459
- Cutting across there.

06:56:50.459 --> 06:56:54.459
- Cutting across Grissom.

06:56:54.459 --> 06:56:55.459
Was that the question?

06:56:55.459 --> 06:56:59.619
- Right. Coming out of this community, this development you

06:56:59.619 --> 06:57:02.459
're going to do, can they access that area?

06:57:02.459 --> 06:57:06.290
- The Denton Falls, I'll try to answer it, the Denton Falls

06:57:06.290 --> 06:57:09.459
, they can't, they have their own access to Trinity.

06:57:09.459 --> 06:57:13.459
They can't access through us.

06:57:13.459 --> 06:57:15.459
- And we can't access through them.

06:57:15.459 --> 06:57:16.459
- We can't.

06:57:16.459 --> 06:57:20.020
- They have to come out on McKinney, go down to Trinity

06:57:20.020 --> 06:57:20.459
there.

06:57:20.459 --> 06:57:23.459
- They come out to Grissom and then in Trinity.

06:57:23.459 --> 06:57:25.459
- Okay.

06:57:25.459 --> 06:57:26.459
Okay.

06:57:26.459 --> 06:57:27.459
- They can't come through us.

06:57:27.459 --> 06:57:28.459
We can't go through them.

06:57:28.459 --> 06:57:31.459
- Okay.

06:57:31.459 --> 06:57:37.459
- Ours is gated.

06:57:37.459 --> 06:57:40.459
- So the public hearing is closed.

06:57:40.459 --> 06:57:44.459
We can't take just random comments from the audience.

06:57:44.459 --> 06:57:47.619
Commissioner Bec, do you have a question for a specific

06:57:47.619 --> 06:57:50.459
individual that we can answer your question?

06:57:50.459 --> 06:57:54.549
- Yeah, could... Does Cody have a question for us on this

06:57:54.549 --> 06:57:55.459
regard?

06:57:55.459 --> 06:57:59.250
- I just want to say that the speeding is a thing, but I'm

06:57:59.250 --> 06:58:03.430
looking, all us young guys, this is going to be our town in

06:58:03.430 --> 06:58:04.459
the future.

06:58:04.459 --> 06:58:05.459
We have to look at that.

06:58:05.459 --> 06:58:08.860
Is this something that we want to deal with in 10 to 15

06:58:08.860 --> 06:58:09.459
years?

06:58:09.459 --> 06:58:11.590
I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but this is, I'm

06:58:11.590 --> 06:58:13.459
going to live here for the rest of my life.

06:58:13.459 --> 06:58:16.459
- Okay, Cody, I need you to specifically address...

06:58:16.459 --> 06:58:17.459
- Okay.

06:58:17.459 --> 06:58:19.459
- Well, no, you're still welcome to.

06:58:19.459 --> 06:58:20.459
Okay.

06:58:20.459 --> 06:58:22.459
Brian, why don't you come up then?

06:58:22.459 --> 06:58:23.459
Thanks, Cody. I appreciate it.

06:58:23.459 --> 06:58:25.340
- So I think they've done a great job of impeding traffic

06:58:25.340 --> 06:58:26.459
leaving the neighborhood.

06:58:26.459 --> 06:58:27.459
You know what I mean?

06:58:27.459 --> 06:58:30.220
If people want to leave and go down Trinity, they got to

06:58:30.220 --> 06:58:32.459
make a left over a medium, right?

06:58:32.459 --> 06:58:33.459
Or a three medium.

06:58:33.459 --> 06:58:34.459
It's really coming home.

06:58:34.459 --> 06:58:35.459
- Okay.

06:58:35.459 --> 06:58:38.209
- When they come down 380, they can make a left straight

06:58:38.209 --> 06:58:40.889
through Lakeview's Speedway, right, right into the

06:58:40.889 --> 06:58:41.459
community,

06:58:41.459 --> 06:58:45.419
versus dealing with all the stoplights and making one, two,

06:58:45.419 --> 06:58:46.459
three lefts.

06:58:46.459 --> 06:58:47.459
- Okay.

06:58:47.459 --> 06:58:48.459
- It's not there.

06:58:48.459 --> 06:58:51.380
- And I don't disagree with the fact that they've at least

06:58:51.380 --> 06:58:53.459
tried to accommodate that one segment there.

06:58:53.459 --> 06:58:56.459
You know, it speaks to the effort they're trying to make.

06:58:56.459 --> 06:58:58.799
Yeah, they're not going to be able to control every facet

06:58:58.799 --> 06:59:00.459
of the traffic that goes up and down there.

06:59:00.459 --> 06:59:01.459
But...

06:59:04.459 --> 06:59:05.459
Thanks.

06:59:05.459 --> 06:59:06.459
Done.

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- There is no one on the board to speak for discussion or

06:59:13.919 --> 06:59:15.459
motion.

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So...

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Commissioner Ellis.

06:59:24.459 --> 06:59:25.459
- Thank you, Chair.

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I'll just start a discussion here.

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First of all, thanks to all the citizens for coming out.

06:59:31.459 --> 06:59:35.459
There have been so many issues, so many issues brought up.

06:59:35.459 --> 06:59:38.459
Infrastructure being the big one.

06:59:38.459 --> 06:59:42.959
And definitely I think we need to do what we can as a city

06:59:42.959 --> 06:59:47.459
to get Lakeview off of being a collector's street.

06:59:47.459 --> 06:59:52.759
I'm struggling here with this vote because so many of these

06:59:52.759 --> 06:59:56.459
issues are not this applicant's problem.

06:59:56.459 --> 07:00:01.630
The requested zoning, which is what we're dealing with, can

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work for the area,

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especially with the conditions placed on it with the

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overlay.

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I know a manufactured housing community comes with a stigma

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, and it may not be an ideal for everyone,

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but I think it's a housing option.

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And I would have to think that there's some kind of a

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demand, or I don't think that they would propose this

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development.

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That being said, I mean, I'm still struggling with a vote

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here.

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I don't like the fact that DISD wasn't consulted.

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I think I would have liked their input.

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I'm bringing this density in.

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But certainly the citizens brought up real concerns, and I

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'm hoping it leads to further conversation, regardless of

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how this vote is.

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Lakeview, specifically Lakeview Ranch, has definite

07:00:52.310 --> 07:00:53.459
concerns.

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So hopefully that will bring up further discussion with the

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city.

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I'll listen to my fellow commissioners here.

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Commissioner Beck.

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Thank you, Chair. Cindy, did you have something you wanted

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to say?

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Yes, I did want to address the issue of DISD.

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When the site was annexed into the city, we have to contact

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all the service providers in the city and let them know

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that they are coming.

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And DISD had to respond to us.

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And so DISD is aware of the fact that this property was

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brought into the city at the time it was annexed.

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We knew what it was going to, what they were going to try

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to do with it.

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And DISD was made aware of that.

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It's a common practice when we do annexations, is we

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contact DISD and tell them, this is being annexed in, this

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is what's proposed, this is how many houses.

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And they know it's coming.

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Did they give input?

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They probably did. They do every time.

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I can look it up and give it to you later.

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I wasn't working on the annexation at that time, another co

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-worker was, but I know the process.

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And so they are made aware.

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Okay, thanks. Yeah.

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Okay. Let me try and jump into the fray here.

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I, too, have some problems with this.

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And I'm hearing almost, and there's a lot of passion out

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there from the people that live up at Lakeview Ranch.

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But we've heard some things that tend to get close to hyper

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bole.

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And I just want to touch on that, not to ridicule anybody,

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but to kind of bring us back down to reality on some things

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.

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It was mentioned that Post Oak Road won't be ready for 20

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or 30 years.

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It's probably true that the complete construction of it won

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't be done, but in increments, they've already started

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working on it.

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So if there's a need in one sector, like if this area

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starts to develop a lot, they probably will start bringing

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it in there sooner.

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They're not going to start at one end and necessarily work

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until they get to the other end.

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So it may not be a complete 20 years as it affects this

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area.

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But I don't disagree that we don't know when it's going to

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be done either.

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But I just don't, you get that 20 and 30 years stuck in

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your head and then that takes other things out of play here

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.

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They mentioned that there's going to be a thousand more

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cars there and a thousand more kids, you know, and you're

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just, you know, throwing numbers out there based on, there

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's nearly 500 houses.

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So there's got to be two cars at each place.

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And I'm not saying that's an impossibility, but there's

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probably not, too.

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There's going to be people, one of the issues that I

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believe it was Sonny Embry that brought up why we're just

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now building a walkway on McKinney.

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And it was mentioned that, see, it didn't even own that

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part, that stretch.

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That was Farnum Market Road, it is Farnum Market Road, 426.

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That's a state road.

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We bought it from them, essentially, if I can say that.

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So now it's ours to do with and we're doing what we've

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always wanted done in the first place.

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So that's getting done.

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So you're going to have any kids that are close to Ryan

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High School and the elementary, there's going to be walking

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distances there.

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Hopefully in time, I ask Richard if there was public

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transportation out that far yet.

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He said no, but that's going to be a possibility.

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There's going to be people in there, if they're buying

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affordable housing, they may not have their own set of

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wheels or they may only have one vehicle and they're going

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to be relying on public transportation.

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So don't automatically, I see you shaking your head, but

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don't automatically lock in.

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There's definitely going to be a thousand kids.

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There's definitely going to be a thousand.

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We don't know that yet.

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Okay.

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There's going to be more traffic no matter what we put

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there.

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There's going to be some kids there that weren't there

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before.

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It was also, and I don't disagree that as a factor of low

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income housing, this isn't the solution.

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It's just an element of it.

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It will help to some degree.

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How much?

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Again, we can debate that.

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Nobody really knows.

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But to say that it isn't at all, you know, I'm not sure

07:05:08.400 --> 07:05:12.430
where you get that unless you brought in some studies that

07:05:12.430 --> 07:05:15.459
bear that out and I haven't heard that.

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So the thing that bothered me, as I mentioned, coming into

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this public hearing, I wasn't aware that they don't own the

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property along with the house.

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I think if anything unsettled me a little bit, it was that

07:05:30.580 --> 07:05:34.770
fact because I feel empathy towards anybody that's around

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that area that that could have a diminishing effect on that

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neighborhood.

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So I'm having that quandary right there.

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I think reluctantly, to the dismay of many of you here, I'm

07:05:48.310 --> 07:05:52.459
probably going to lean towards approving this.

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But this thing has to go forward to the city council.

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There's time to look at it.

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I plan on getting with the developers going out and looking

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at their oldest developments and seeing how they've come

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about.

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And if I see some deterioration there, I can come to city

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council myself and point this out and add that information.

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So we're not the final say here.

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But there's a lot of factors to consider here.

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I think the developers gone out of their way to accommodate

07:06:17.220 --> 07:06:18.459
a lot of your concerns.

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I think a lot of your concerns are legitimate and flawed,

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but in reality, I'm not sure that that's something you can

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just lock into and say it's going to happen, though.

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I can understand you coming from that direction.

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So anyway, right now, that's where I stand.

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We'll wait and listen for any motions made, at least on my

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part.

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Thank you.

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Commissioner Smith.

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First, I'd like to thank the applicant for coming out and

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bearing with us and working hard at this.

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I would like to make a quick remark to those who came in

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attendance and gave their opinion.

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Sometimes it's forgotten that we are a volunteer commission

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.

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We all have our own careers and jobs and whatnot.

07:07:04.459 --> 07:07:06.720
I was up at 430 this morning taking care of my dog and

07:07:06.720 --> 07:07:07.459
working out.

07:07:07.459 --> 07:07:11.450
So sometimes we get in here and there's definitely some

07:07:11.450 --> 07:07:15.959
public hearings that passion comes out and passion, right

07:07:15.959 --> 07:07:18.459
fully so, should come out.

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I hope that you guys as citizens know that no applicant,

07:07:22.459 --> 07:07:26.080
city staffer or volunteer commissioner or city council

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person would ever bring a project that has deception or

07:07:29.700 --> 07:07:32.459
some sort of devious intent to it.

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And that kind of saddened me tonight to hear that some

07:07:35.409 --> 07:07:39.459
folks came to the mic and said that we as commissioners who

07:07:39.459 --> 07:07:42.549
are just here to consider it and view what's in the best

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interest of the city were accused of trying to facilitate

07:07:46.459 --> 07:07:49.459
devious acts and hiding projects and hate to hear that.

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So hopefully if you guys do want to bring that to city

07:07:52.220 --> 07:07:55.459
council, I would make a recommendation you don't do that.

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They got a little bit bigger egos than we do.

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So that's a joke you can laugh at.

07:08:02.459 --> 07:08:08.889
But my personal opinion has been that safety is a big issue

07:08:08.889 --> 07:08:10.459
for me on this project.

07:08:10.459 --> 07:08:14.860
And to hear that more and more and more this project by no

07:08:14.860 --> 07:08:19.610
volition of their own action is going to cause some serious

07:08:19.610 --> 07:08:24.180
safety issues or at least give one inkling of increasing a

07:08:24.180 --> 07:08:29.459
safety problem that's already existing in your neighborhood

07:08:29.459 --> 07:08:32.459
as well as well documented.

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And that scares me I'd hate to be a be a guy who reads the

07:08:35.819 --> 07:08:39.909
DRC every single morning, even as a 28 year old sits around

07:08:39.909 --> 07:08:43.409
leads the DRC every single morning to see that a kid in

07:08:43.409 --> 07:08:46.990
Lakeview got killed because of a driver and to think that I

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as a commissioner maybe have added to that.

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I'd hate to think that.

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The same time, saying that you can't, we can't grow in

07:08:55.939 --> 07:08:59.720
certain ways and to say that, you know, an applicant doesn

07:08:59.720 --> 07:09:03.409
't have a project we like but they need to change it around

07:09:03.409 --> 07:09:06.750
it's hard for me to justify Cindy, I have a question for

07:09:06.750 --> 07:09:07.459
you.

07:09:07.459 --> 07:09:11.549
Seeing that it's 20% more on opposition, and the abutting

07:09:11.549 --> 07:09:15.500
properties. It goes to supermajority City Council, City

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Council, then, let's say they get a five to vote rather

07:09:19.119 --> 07:09:22.459
than a six one which is what would be needed.

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We were asking Jerry I was asking Richard and it seems like

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from what I can read lips from across the dice that

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substantial change is a pretty, because that's what the

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requirement is for those who don't know that there's a

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denial the applicant has to wait 12 months until they can

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bring back the application for reconsideration,

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unless there is a substantial change in the circumstances

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with the direct word of the code as states. Did you ever

07:09:47.099 --> 07:09:50.270
seen with that substantial change could be what it might be

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and could it be something like, I don't know the director

07:09:53.310 --> 07:09:55.459
of transportation does something about some

07:09:55.459 --> 07:09:59.250
like view and then that could predicate substantial change

07:09:59.250 --> 07:10:03.080
in an application or because it's not inside of the area in

07:10:03.080 --> 07:10:06.529
question that this doesn't even matter, they can make it

07:10:06.529 --> 07:10:10.369
they could turn they could turn like view into I 35 for all

07:10:10.369 --> 07:10:13.459
they wanted and it wouldn't matter doesn't change anything.

07:10:13.459 --> 07:10:17.990
Well, substantial change typically has to do with the land

07:10:17.990 --> 07:10:22.509
use, or the density, or how they're laying it out that that

07:10:22.509 --> 07:10:26.840
Jerry can tell me if that if there's anything else but that

07:10:26.840 --> 07:10:31.459
's pretty much what is considered substantial change.

07:10:31.459 --> 07:10:35.169
Yeah, that I think those are basically the same factors I

07:10:35.169 --> 07:10:38.869
outlined to you earlier that I don't know that there's a,

07:10:38.869 --> 07:10:42.799
you know, an incredibly dark black line on that, but that's

07:10:42.799 --> 07:10:46.459
that's typically the factors that are looked at.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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Commissioner Sanchez.

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And this is one area. When I look at this green, the five x

07:11:10.979 --> 07:11:15.610
area which is north of the unit we're talking about. There

07:11:15.610 --> 07:11:19.909
's a substantial piece of area there that I say is going to

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be developed.

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And, and so, the way I look at it is, it's not, you're

07:11:24.869 --> 07:11:28.389
going to have some. This is not going to affect what's

07:11:28.389 --> 07:11:32.080
happening in the project area we're talking about is really

07:11:32.080 --> 07:11:35.610
not going to affect your, your, the value of your homes

07:11:35.610 --> 07:11:38.459
because you still have a big buffer

07:11:38.459 --> 07:11:55.459
of development that's going to occur north of that project.

07:11:55.459 --> 07:11:55.650
So, I think one individual we had came and said right

07:11:55.650 --> 07:11:55.880
across he had a project like this develop across the street

07:11:55.880 --> 07:11:56.110
, and if it affected the value of his home, we're not across

07:11:56.110 --> 07:11:56.459
the street we're relatively

07:11:56.459 --> 07:12:01.360
a good distance from, from the project area. And, and I

07:12:01.360 --> 07:12:06.159
know we always it's always seems like any new development

07:12:06.159 --> 07:12:10.459
we get into the whole idea of increased traffic.

07:12:10.459 --> 07:12:14.169
And that's a big issue every, every two weeks when we meet

07:12:14.169 --> 07:12:17.759
meet and we talk about new projects. And we can hold back

07:12:17.759 --> 07:12:21.119
and say okay we're not going to do nothing until the

07:12:21.119 --> 07:12:25.110
traffic situation gets gets resolved because nothing would

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ever happen.

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Like I said earlier, a lot of what infrastructure money

07:12:30.099 --> 07:12:32.459
comes from is from development.

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And so, as I look at this, you know I started when I went

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and looked at this project, knowing that I traveled this

07:12:40.080 --> 07:12:43.740
area down McKinney pretty often because I've got like I

07:12:43.740 --> 07:12:48.459
said earlier, I do have property down at Vacation Village.

07:12:48.459 --> 07:12:55.759
And I traveled that, I kind of thought well, I'm pretty

07:12:55.759 --> 07:13:02.099
sure I'm on both award but then listen to everybody's

07:13:02.099 --> 07:13:04.299
comments. I, you know, became pretty heavy as far as I was

07:13:04.299 --> 07:13:05.459
concerned, I didn't know what to do but I really believe

07:13:05.459 --> 07:13:12.459
that some of the issues of impacting the

07:13:12.459 --> 07:13:15.509
community view area is not going to it's going to be

07:13:15.509 --> 07:13:18.979
traffic but that's an issue you've all had have had in the

07:13:18.979 --> 07:13:22.209
past, that has to be resolved, but I don't think that

07:13:22.209 --> 07:13:25.459
burden should be laid on the new development.

07:13:25.459 --> 07:13:29.290
It's something that has to be taken care of by that by that

07:13:29.290 --> 07:13:33.259
by that subdivision, and I think, I think they've done

07:13:33.259 --> 07:13:37.180
everything they can to to alleviate the issue, but there's

07:13:37.180 --> 07:13:40.770
some responsibility of what do you all have to do up in

07:13:40.770 --> 07:13:44.459
that area to control traffic and not blame them for it.

07:13:44.459 --> 07:13:48.750
And it seems like there's a lot of, well this is going to

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happen well it's been happening, and that should have been

07:13:53.400 --> 07:13:55.459
resolved a long time ago.

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So, if it's possible for him to self impose a requirement

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to improve the safety on Trinity.

07:14:18.459 --> 07:14:35.500
If there's a signal when it's warranted. If there's a

07:14:35.500 --> 07:14:35.720
concern there on the on the public safety of Trinity, then

07:14:35.720 --> 07:14:35.919
we can self impose if it's hard to for the yacht condition

07:14:35.919 --> 07:14:36.139
us, we could condition ourselves to add it to there that

07:14:36.139 --> 07:14:36.459
will help them try to find a solution,

07:14:36.459 --> 07:14:40.720
we'll, we can meet with their HOA and the city engineer and

07:14:40.720 --> 07:14:44.880
find that there's a solution if it's, I think a key part is

07:14:44.880 --> 07:14:48.950
the city's going through an MTP update now. And that road

07:14:48.950 --> 07:14:51.020
may come off a collector system, but we can put our heads

07:14:51.020 --> 07:14:54.990
together and find logical ways to see if it stops signs or

07:14:54.990 --> 07:15:00.709
what it is, you know, to help and assist with that so we've

07:15:00.709 --> 07:15:04.459
been at it for two years we adjusted, we're here just to

07:15:04.459 --> 07:15:05.459
say, we're willing to help and self impose.

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We're willing to help and self impose that condition.

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Appreciate that.

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Commissioner Prunetta.

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Yeah, I wanted to kind of, I guess, Senator, Commissioner

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Sanchez said a few things that were along the lines of what

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I was going to say.

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So, one of the things that I guess is controversial earlier

07:15:26.830 --> 07:15:29.869
tonight that I stated was I hadn't heard anything that

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would substantially change my opinion in terms of the

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zoning and I want to kind of explain a few things on that.

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When I say that, when we're considering the zoning.

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And, you know, what the use is going to be one of the

07:15:43.740 --> 07:15:47.520
things that we're taking into consideration is that we are

07:15:47.520 --> 07:15:51.439
considering an NR6 and we're also considering the special

07:15:51.439 --> 07:15:55.580
use permit so that way, instead of it being technically as

07:15:55.580 --> 07:16:00.459
dense as an NR6 it's closer to a four.

07:16:00.459 --> 07:16:04.240
I know there's been a lot of concerns about property values

07:16:04.240 --> 07:16:08.259
, as stated, you know, that example that was given somebody

07:16:08.259 --> 07:16:12.299
complained about, you know, modular units being put across

07:16:12.299 --> 07:16:13.459
the street.

07:16:13.459 --> 07:16:15.669
We know that these aren't across the street these guys,

07:16:15.669 --> 07:16:18.049
this is at least half a mile from you guys. And we know

07:16:18.049 --> 07:16:21.099
that when we're kind of well I'm sorry yeah and I'll get to

07:16:21.099 --> 07:16:22.459
you guys in a second.

07:16:22.459 --> 07:16:26.459
For the majority and let me let me refer to Lakeview.

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We're talking about that kind of thing. We're also, when we

07:16:31.500 --> 07:16:34.590
're talking about property values and sales and things like

07:16:34.590 --> 07:16:37.409
that you guys know that appraisers go out and what they

07:16:37.409 --> 07:16:40.380
actually do is gather comps and those comps are related to

07:16:40.380 --> 07:16:44.610
like properties, so they wouldn't be grabbing a comp on a

07:16:44.610 --> 07:16:48.459
modular or manufactured home compared to yours.

07:16:48.459 --> 07:16:53.630
So, as far as resale value you wouldn't normally see that

07:16:53.630 --> 07:16:55.459
much of an impact.

07:16:55.459 --> 07:16:59.400
The other thing that's really kind of hit home for me when

07:16:59.400 --> 07:17:03.459
I've been considering this though is the safety issue.

07:17:03.459 --> 07:17:07.250
And on that one, it seems like there's a safety issue

07:17:07.250 --> 07:17:11.259
regardless of whether or not a property goes in here,

07:17:11.259 --> 07:17:13.459
whether we rezone it or not.

07:17:13.459 --> 07:17:18.369
That doesn't take back all your mailboxes. It doesn't take

07:17:18.369 --> 07:17:21.619
back the number of times somebody has driven into one of

07:17:21.619 --> 07:17:22.459
your yards.

07:17:22.459 --> 07:17:28.290
So, on that one, as a citizen myself, I would encourage you

07:17:28.290 --> 07:17:30.849
to take full advantage of your city council members. They

07:17:30.849 --> 07:17:34.459
are online and they are receptive when you bug them.

07:17:34.459 --> 07:17:41.430
And if you actually engage with them online, they generally

07:17:41.430 --> 07:17:47.720
do move very quickly to get things out like stop signs or

07:17:47.720 --> 07:17:53.880
speed bumps or replacements and things like that that

07:17:53.880 --> 07:17:56.459
encourage safety. So, I'd say that that's one of the things

07:17:56.459 --> 07:17:56.459
that I'd really encourage everyone to engage in.

07:17:56.459 --> 07:18:00.470
I think one of the things that I find encouraging in this

07:18:00.470 --> 07:18:04.580
is the fact that when we talk to the applicant throughout

07:18:04.580 --> 07:18:07.900
the night, I don't think anyone can deny that the applicant

07:18:07.900 --> 07:18:12.139
has not been more than willing to make accommodations to

07:18:12.139 --> 07:18:14.459
try and make things better.

07:18:14.459 --> 07:18:18.090
They've actually self-imposed conditions to help with the

07:18:18.090 --> 07:18:19.459
safety in the area.

07:18:19.459 --> 07:18:23.200
They've discussed the drainages that impose as it affects

07:18:23.200 --> 07:18:26.979
people in the surrounding areas that they're more inclined

07:18:26.979 --> 07:18:30.459
to go with detention rather than have that run off.

07:18:30.459 --> 07:18:34.400
These are some of the things that we consider when we're

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doing this.

07:18:35.459 --> 07:18:39.529
Once again, we're making a vote on the zoning and whether

07:18:39.529 --> 07:18:43.439
or not the proposed zoning kind of conforms to things in

07:18:43.439 --> 07:18:44.459
the area.

07:18:44.459 --> 07:18:47.700
No one can say that if we were to zone this for an NR2,

07:18:47.700 --> 07:18:52.080
somebody would come on and sell houses for $100,000 and

07:18:52.080 --> 07:18:54.459
bring your property values down.

07:18:54.459 --> 07:18:55.459
You know what I mean?

07:18:55.459 --> 07:18:58.680
Nobody could say that somebody could zone it for an NR6 and

07:18:58.680 --> 07:19:01.459
people would sell units for half a million each.

07:19:01.459 --> 07:19:05.240
When we're doing this, the idea of what the property value

07:19:05.240 --> 07:19:08.770
may or may not be isn't sometimes as prevalent as whether

07:19:08.770 --> 07:19:12.409
or not what they're doing conforms to what's in the area

07:19:12.409 --> 07:19:13.459
right now.

07:19:13.459 --> 07:19:18.310
But back to one of the main things I would like to say in

07:19:18.310 --> 07:19:22.709
terms of safety and everything, I would encourage you to

07:19:22.709 --> 07:19:25.459
engage your City Council people.

07:19:25.459 --> 07:19:29.400
And going forward, whatever happens with this, this is

07:19:29.400 --> 07:19:32.459
simply a recommendation to City Council.

07:19:32.459 --> 07:19:37.750
There is an additional line of defense that you have to

07:19:37.750 --> 07:19:43.529
discuss your concerns with them and make your voices heard

07:19:43.529 --> 07:19:45.459
in those cases.

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Thank you, commissioners.

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It's worth noting that right now, although it is convoluted

07:19:50.909 --> 07:19:55.459
, we have two items that we will need to motion and vote on.

07:19:55.459 --> 07:19:59.459
So we'll do the zoning first when it comes time.

07:19:59.459 --> 07:20:01.459
After that, we will engage the SUP.

07:20:01.459 --> 07:20:05.459
So as of right now, we are still discussing both.

07:20:05.459 --> 07:20:08.869
But when a motion is made, it needs to be made for the

07:20:08.869 --> 07:20:11.459
zoning case first and independent.

07:20:11.459 --> 07:20:12.459
Commissioner Ellis.

07:20:12.459 --> 07:20:13.459
Thank you, Chair.

07:20:13.459 --> 07:20:17.509
Quick question for legal with regard to the self-imposed

07:20:17.509 --> 07:20:19.459
Trinity improvements.

07:20:19.459 --> 07:20:24.459
I mean, how would that look on paper?

07:20:24.459 --> 07:20:25.459
I don't know.

07:20:25.459 --> 07:20:29.900
And I think that at one o'clock in the morning, I'm not

07:20:29.900 --> 07:20:31.459
that creative.

07:20:31.459 --> 07:20:38.040
But I think that the fact that the offer has been made and

07:20:38.040 --> 07:20:43.750
that the concerns have been expressed will no doubt

07:20:43.750 --> 07:20:47.459
resonate with the City Council when they review the minutes

07:20:47.459 --> 07:20:51.459
and the video and the staff comments.

07:20:51.459 --> 07:20:55.400
And so I and in between now and then when they have an

07:20:55.400 --> 07:21:00.189
opportunity to look at it, you know, perhaps I'll be fres

07:21:00.189 --> 07:21:04.459
her in the morning and I'll come up with an idea.

07:21:04.459 --> 07:21:09.869
But I really don't think that it's a situation as I'm kind

07:21:09.869 --> 07:21:15.430
of shooting from the tractor seat that is appropriate for

07:21:15.430 --> 07:21:18.459
us to tie in as a regulation.

07:21:18.459 --> 07:21:25.849
I think that is the as the engineer pointed out that if it

07:21:25.849 --> 07:21:32.860
has legs, it may best have legs as something that the

07:21:32.860 --> 07:21:36.459
applicant brings forward.

07:21:36.459 --> 07:21:37.459
Yeah, Richard.

07:21:37.459 --> 07:21:39.459
Just wanted to add a little bit more to that.

07:21:39.459 --> 07:21:44.479
This this if if it's well, regardless, if it gets moved

07:21:44.479 --> 07:21:50.459
tonight, it does not go to City Council until December 4th.

07:21:50.459 --> 07:21:56.520
And so we have we have some time that we can work between

07:21:56.520 --> 07:22:02.459
the the bodies that be the flesh out.

07:22:02.459 --> 07:22:10.459
The chair would entertain a motion at this point.

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Mr. Beck.

07:22:12.459 --> 07:22:13.459
Thank you, Chair.

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And I honestly want to thank you sincerely.

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Thank you.

07:22:16.459 --> 07:22:21.439
One of you for speaking up coming out and putting voice to

07:22:21.439 --> 07:22:23.459
your concerns, regardless of what you think.

07:22:23.459 --> 07:22:24.459
We do listen to you.

07:22:24.459 --> 07:22:25.459
We do care.

07:22:25.459 --> 07:22:29.509
And I'm pretty sure this thing moves forward that your

07:22:29.509 --> 07:22:32.459
concerns are going to be addressed.

07:22:32.459 --> 07:22:37.209
That being said, I'm going to motion to approve the 1704 be

07:22:37.209 --> 07:22:41.459
with the record of the proposed conditions for approval,

07:22:41.459 --> 07:22:46.459
which includes an overlay place on the property that the

07:22:46.459 --> 07:22:49.250
maximum permitted density on the site shall be no more than

07:22:49.250 --> 07:22:50.459
four dwelling units per gross acre.

07:22:50.459 --> 07:22:54.580
Permitted land uses on the site, 498 modular and

07:22:54.580 --> 07:22:59.709
manufactured homes, 120.1 acres and six single family

07:22:59.709 --> 07:23:02.459
detached housing on minimum acre.

07:23:02.459 --> 07:23:06.200
And I think I'm going to try and add an amendment here that

07:23:06.200 --> 07:23:10.270
deals with the self-imposed traffic mitigation concern here

07:23:10.270 --> 07:23:14.080
that and I'm so and I may need some help from commissioners

07:23:14.080 --> 07:23:14.459
.

07:23:14.459 --> 07:23:19.840
Help me word this, but I think I want them to address this

07:23:19.840 --> 07:23:25.459
with some concreteness again for lack of a better word.

07:23:25.459 --> 07:23:30.310
By the time they do go before the City Council, where

07:23:30.310 --> 07:23:35.459
citizens and the rest of us can hear what your plan is.

07:23:35.459 --> 07:23:39.459
I would also just let me add for not finished here.

07:23:39.459 --> 07:23:42.740
If you guys came out and force to the City Council meeting

07:23:42.740 --> 07:23:46.180
on December 4th, when you guys came out tonight here and

07:23:46.180 --> 07:23:49.790
start talking about top science and stuff like that, you're

07:23:49.790 --> 07:23:51.459
going to get more done there that way.

07:23:51.459 --> 07:23:54.209
You guys were overwhelming and because they are the

07:23:54.209 --> 07:23:56.819
legislative body, they're the ones that can do that kind of

07:23:56.819 --> 07:23:57.459
thing.

07:23:57.459 --> 07:24:00.659
We can't we're dealing with a specific area here, but they

07:24:00.659 --> 07:24:03.599
can deal with your issue that's disassociated with it

07:24:03.599 --> 07:24:04.459
somewhat.

07:24:04.459 --> 07:24:10.009
So let me just throw that out. So that being said, make a

07:24:10.009 --> 07:24:17.459
motion to approve.

07:24:17.459 --> 07:24:19.459
So we have a first, Commissioner Pereta.

07:24:19.459 --> 07:24:21.459
Second.

07:24:21.459 --> 07:24:25.459
We have a first and a second. Any discussion?

07:24:25.459 --> 07:24:34.459
So a couple things to say before I call us to vote.

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This has been a long night.

07:24:36.459 --> 07:24:42.459
And so first, it's 1am. Thank you for being here.

07:24:42.459 --> 07:24:44.459
There, there could have been.

07:24:44.459 --> 07:24:48.200
Y'all watching this on TV. I hate to break it to you, but

07:24:48.200 --> 07:24:51.459
the couch is way more comfortable.

07:24:51.459 --> 07:24:54.459
Next time you can watch on TV.

07:24:54.459 --> 07:24:58.020
So to raise that, I also I appreciate the applicant two

07:24:58.020 --> 07:25:02.259
years of work is is no trivial amount of time and I don't

07:25:02.259 --> 07:25:03.459
know the cost.

07:25:03.459 --> 07:25:07.459
I actually don't want to know that be probably depressing.

07:25:07.459 --> 07:25:15.080
What I do want to mention is along with Commissioner Becks

07:25:15.080 --> 07:25:15.459
point.

07:25:15.459 --> 07:25:20.459
You I've been serving five years now.

07:25:20.459 --> 07:25:21.459
Three.

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This is the most coordinated effort I've seen of a

07:25:24.220 --> 07:25:27.459
community coming out and being vocal and it's impactful.

07:25:27.459 --> 07:25:29.459
It's it's definitely worth the effort.

07:25:29.459 --> 07:25:32.459
You all did to coordinate. However, you all did this.

07:25:32.459 --> 07:25:36.860
It's it's it's helpful for for us as a commission to

07:25:36.860 --> 07:25:39.459
understand what's going on, especially for me.

07:25:39.459 --> 07:25:42.319
I don't live in the area. I've never even been on that road

07:25:42.319 --> 07:25:42.459
.

07:25:42.459 --> 07:25:48.459
Certainly not. I've been speeding on it.

07:25:48.459 --> 07:25:52.400
And regardless of the vote tonight, it sounds like there's

07:25:52.400 --> 07:25:56.080
there's a legitimate issue with the road that needs to be

07:25:56.080 --> 07:25:57.459
addressed.

07:25:57.459 --> 07:26:01.459
And voting to deny this doesn't fix what is already there.

07:26:01.459 --> 07:26:05.169
Voting to approve this certainly might have an impact on it

07:26:05.169 --> 07:26:05.459
.

07:26:05.459 --> 07:26:08.669
Although if a thousand cars are on that road, it's going to

07:26:08.669 --> 07:26:10.459
be bumper to bumper traffic.

07:26:10.459 --> 07:26:14.290
No speeding. So maybe it pendulum swings the other way with

07:26:14.290 --> 07:26:15.459
extra traffic.

07:26:15.459 --> 07:26:19.919
That being said, I do echo Commissioner Smith's points to

07:26:19.919 --> 07:26:22.459
that we try our best to listen.

07:26:22.459 --> 07:26:24.459
We don't come in here with our mind made up.

07:26:24.459 --> 07:26:26.459
We are not a deceptive commission.

07:26:26.459 --> 07:26:30.259
And so hopefully you all are at City Council and you are

07:26:30.259 --> 07:26:31.459
being vocal.

07:26:31.459 --> 07:26:35.659
But the the laughing at some of our responses, the the

07:26:35.659 --> 07:26:41.459
attempts to make us choose based on money being thrown

07:26:41.459 --> 07:26:43.459
around of how much tax base.

07:26:43.459 --> 07:26:47.400
I don't think that would be a helpful way of addressing

07:26:47.400 --> 07:26:50.020
City Council if you were to go to the City Council and make

07:26:50.020 --> 07:26:52.459
the same plea for what it's worth.

07:26:52.459 --> 07:26:56.020
I certainly appreciate and again, I'm thankful for being

07:26:56.020 --> 07:26:57.459
everyone being here.

07:26:57.459 --> 07:27:01.700
Hopefully there's a mutual respect among citizens of trying

07:27:01.700 --> 07:27:04.459
to make this the city the best we can.

07:27:04.459 --> 07:27:07.709
I think that is my soapbox. So with that, we have a first

07:27:07.709 --> 07:27:08.459
and a second.

07:27:08.459 --> 07:27:14.099
I see one more discussion item, Christian Beck. Can we get

07:27:14.099 --> 07:27:17.720
the wording down on that amendment or is that make that

07:27:17.720 --> 07:27:21.400
clear enough to make sure that I think it makes it clear

07:27:21.400 --> 07:27:21.459
enough?

07:27:21.459 --> 07:27:24.540
OK, it ultimately may end up becoming part of the

07:27:24.540 --> 07:27:27.459
regardless of what how it ultimately ends.

07:27:27.459 --> 07:27:31.799
It might end up being part of the S.U.P. when it goes to to

07:27:31.799 --> 07:27:32.459
council.

07:27:32.459 --> 07:27:39.459
But I think it's fine with with OK, we got it. Great.

07:27:39.459 --> 07:27:39.459
Thanks.

07:27:39.459 --> 07:27:42.349
So we have a motion for approval with staffs

07:27:42.349 --> 07:27:46.459
recommendations and Christian Beck's added condition.

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We'll call for a vote on the board.

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Motion carries seven zero.

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That is the zoning request. The next motion that's needed

07:28:21.529 --> 07:28:26.459
is for the S.U.P.

07:28:26.459 --> 07:28:31.630
Commissioner Smith, just a clarification. The changes to

07:28:31.630 --> 07:28:36.360
the amendment for the recommendation on the zoning should

07:28:36.360 --> 07:28:41.029
have those been amendments to the S.U.P. Richard's going to

07:28:41.029 --> 07:28:41.459
correct that.

07:28:41.459 --> 07:28:46.319
The addition of looking at addressing the traffic

07:28:46.319 --> 07:28:47.459
mitigation.

07:28:47.459 --> 07:28:51.689
I think it's OK as part of the as part of the the overlay

07:28:51.689 --> 07:28:56.919
conditions just for it's not necessarily imposing it. It's

07:28:56.919 --> 07:29:00.459
just a matter of looking at addressing it.

07:29:00.459 --> 07:29:04.400
Well, as I understood the the nature of the motion, you

07:29:04.400 --> 07:29:07.880
were asking for the applicant to come forward with

07:29:07.880 --> 07:29:11.889
something concrete before the matter comes forward to city

07:29:11.889 --> 07:29:15.740
council. And so I think that, you know, how it's best

07:29:15.740 --> 07:29:20.459
addressed may depend in part on how it's articulated.

07:29:20.459 --> 07:29:27.040
And so it may be a good thing to integrate into both the S.

07:29:27.040 --> 07:29:30.459
U.P. and the zoning vote.

07:29:30.459 --> 07:29:32.459
Fisher Sanchez.

07:29:32.459 --> 07:29:34.459
I just want to make a motion.

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Or I guess the S.A. 17.

07:29:39.459 --> 07:29:42.610
And are you doing that with the staff's recommended

07:29:42.610 --> 07:29:44.459
criteria? Yes.

07:29:44.459 --> 07:29:52.759
OK, yes. Commissioner Pernetta. I second that. Is there any

07:29:52.759 --> 07:29:53.459
discussion?

07:29:53.459 --> 07:30:00.459
I have one thing to add to this item is I was a no vote

07:30:00.459 --> 07:30:03.340
about 10 minutes ago based on the safety issues that I

07:30:03.340 --> 07:30:05.459
think every commissioner brought up.

07:30:05.459 --> 07:30:11.740
And my notes here have so many things crossed out of trying

07:30:11.740 --> 07:30:16.509
to listen and gather. I will applaud and recognize the

07:30:16.509 --> 07:30:17.459
applicant.

07:30:17.459 --> 07:30:21.560
It seems like everything that was asked within reason. You

07:30:21.560 --> 07:30:22.459
're like, yeah, we'll do it. Yep, we'll do it.

07:30:22.459 --> 07:30:26.520
And so the what I hope is a sincere offer to help with

07:30:26.520 --> 07:30:31.610
Trinity Lake View, however you can, does proceed to council

07:30:31.610 --> 07:30:35.459
and the for council reading these minutes.

07:30:35.459 --> 07:30:38.830
I want it to be known that that is of top priority for my

07:30:38.830 --> 07:30:42.459
vote. That gets done to it.

07:30:42.459 --> 07:30:46.700
If it's possible to almost force all traffic west, I'm not

07:30:46.700 --> 07:30:48.459
sure how that looks.

07:30:48.459 --> 07:30:52.610
I'm hoping for an awesome, creative solution that's short

07:30:52.610 --> 07:30:54.459
of blowing up a bridge.

07:30:54.459 --> 07:31:00.459
But hopefully there's a solution out there.

07:31:00.459 --> 07:31:05.689
Yeah, I'm hopeful there's a solution that you all can be

07:31:05.689 --> 07:31:11.409
good neighbors, regardless of different perspectives on on

07:31:11.409 --> 07:31:12.459
that area.

07:31:12.459 --> 07:31:16.240
So we have a first and a second scene, no other discussion,

07:31:16.240 --> 07:31:18.459
a call for a motion on the board. Commissioner Ellis. Thank

07:31:18.459 --> 07:31:18.459
you, Joe.

07:31:18.459 --> 07:31:21.740
Just real quick, just to echo what you said. I was the same

07:31:21.740 --> 07:31:22.459
way.

07:31:22.459 --> 07:31:26.139
And I do appreciate your willingness to listen, hear

07:31:26.139 --> 07:31:29.459
concerns and take those concerns seriously.

07:31:29.459 --> 07:31:33.400
And please, as chair mentioned, that is you heard everybody

07:31:33.400 --> 07:31:37.279
's top concern, not only the citizens here, but that is a

07:31:37.279 --> 07:31:38.459
concern to us.

07:31:38.459 --> 07:31:42.200
And we realize that you don't have to do what you just

07:31:42.200 --> 07:31:48.459
offered to do. So thank you.

07:31:48.459 --> 07:32:00.459
Call for a vote on the board.

07:32:00.459 --> 07:32:03.459
Motion carries seven zero.

07:32:03.459 --> 07:32:08.720
The commission. We still have more to do tonight. But what

07:32:08.720 --> 07:32:10.459
I can do is give a couple of minutes for the room to clear

07:32:10.459 --> 07:32:16.459
so we can take a breather real fast.

07:32:16.459 --> 07:32:33.459
Are you awake?

07:32:46.459 --> 07:32:59.459
Your thoughts, concerns.

07:32:59.459 --> 07:33:01.459
You have a great many of them. So thank you.

07:33:01.459 --> 07:33:10.610
But as soon as as soon as the start farms rezoning was done

07:33:10.610 --> 07:33:16.459
, they included that right away.

07:33:16.459 --> 07:33:37.459
Thank you.

07:33:37.459 --> 07:33:43.979
Their projection they have essentially for every thousand

07:33:43.979 --> 07:33:46.459
homes, it's five.

07:33:46.459 --> 07:33:54.459
Generation.

07:33:54.459 --> 07:33:58.459
They usually last this.

07:33:58.459 --> 07:34:04.459
I don't think this is the latest on that.

07:34:04.459 --> 07:34:09.090
With the room being cleared, we have one more public

07:34:09.090 --> 07:34:11.459
hearing item for the evening.

07:34:11.459 --> 07:34:15.459
It is the original F, which has now been moved to G.

07:34:15.459 --> 07:34:19.930
Item S eighteen dash zero zero two a Cindy, you are for

07:34:19.930 --> 07:34:21.459
presentation.

07:34:21.459 --> 07:34:33.459
Any coffee or anything.

07:34:33.459 --> 07:34:38.459
This is a request to hold a public hearing and consider a

07:34:38.459 --> 07:34:41.259
request for specific use permit to allow quick vehicle serv

07:34:41.259 --> 07:34:46.630
icing in suites one ten and sweet one eleven of budget cell

07:34:46.630 --> 07:34:47.459
storage.

07:34:47.459 --> 07:34:57.409
The property is located at twenty eight twenty Virginia

07:34:57.409 --> 07:35:07.459
circle and you can see here's the property right here.

07:35:07.459 --> 07:35:11.700
The location of the vehicle repair facilities right now are

07:35:11.700 --> 07:35:15.459
is in this corner right here highlighted in blue.

07:35:15.459 --> 07:35:19.459
This is the site and also survey of the site.

07:35:19.459 --> 07:35:24.459
That was originally developed as a storage facility.

07:35:24.459 --> 07:35:28.599
And in nineteen eighty five and this building from what I

07:35:28.599 --> 07:35:32.459
can tell on D had was added later in the nineties.

07:35:32.459 --> 07:35:38.419
This building has twelve parking spaces located along the

07:35:38.419 --> 07:35:39.459
front.

07:35:39.459 --> 07:35:45.180
This is a little bit of history of the site as I know as I

07:35:45.180 --> 07:35:50.459
noted it was plotted and developed in nineteen eighty five

07:35:50.459 --> 07:35:51.459
in two thousand two.

07:35:51.459 --> 07:35:56.630
It was rezoned from C commercial to N.R.M.U. in a city wide

07:35:56.630 --> 07:35:59.459
rezoning in twenty ten.

07:35:59.459 --> 07:36:03.479
The CEO was approved for retail sales of automotive

07:36:03.479 --> 07:36:07.860
electronic equipment in sweet one ten and also in twenty

07:36:07.860 --> 07:36:12.459
ten a CEO was denied for auto repair in sweet one eleven.

07:36:12.459 --> 07:36:18.709
The applicant then the applicant for the CEO then revised

07:36:18.709 --> 07:36:24.810
the CEO to be for office only and it was approved in twenty

07:36:24.810 --> 07:36:26.459
seventeen.

07:36:26.459 --> 07:36:30.419
A complaint was received about an auto repair facility

07:36:30.419 --> 07:36:32.459
operating without a CEO.

07:36:32.459 --> 07:36:36.220
At this point the applicant has three options to rectify

07:36:36.220 --> 07:36:37.459
the situation.

07:36:37.459 --> 07:36:42.900
One was to apply to rezone the entire site which legal

07:36:42.900 --> 07:36:47.180
actually we confirmed with legal and they said that wasn't

07:36:47.180 --> 07:36:48.459
the best idea.

07:36:48.459 --> 07:36:51.700
The best idea to go would be to go for a specific use

07:36:51.700 --> 07:36:52.459
permit.

07:36:52.459 --> 07:36:54.459
That's a more conservative approach.

07:36:54.459 --> 07:37:00.419
It would only affect the two suites in question rather than

07:37:00.419 --> 07:37:02.459
the entire site.

07:37:02.459 --> 07:37:06.909
Here are some site photos that I showed you earlier of the

07:37:06.909 --> 07:37:12.799
site showing the parking along the front as well as on the

07:37:12.799 --> 07:37:18.130
vacant lot adjacent to the west and just a few other

07:37:18.130 --> 07:37:20.459
different views of the site.

07:37:20.459 --> 07:37:26.709
When we look at a criteria determining whether or not to

07:37:26.709 --> 07:37:29.919
recommend approval for a specific use permit there are

07:37:29.919 --> 07:37:34.180
criteria that criteria we have to follow as noted in thirty

07:37:34.180 --> 07:37:38.310
five six four consistency with zoning regulations conform

07:37:38.310 --> 07:37:41.459
ity to goals of the Denton plan twenty thirty consistency

07:37:41.459 --> 07:37:45.549
with surrounding development in terms of access nuisance

07:37:45.549 --> 07:37:48.459
prevention and scale of development.

07:37:48.459 --> 07:37:53.459
With regards to zoning the site is zone in our em you

07:37:53.459 --> 07:37:59.409
excuse me the request is for quick vehicle repair which is

07:37:59.409 --> 07:38:05.169
permitted in the N.R.M.U. by permission approval of a

07:38:05.169 --> 07:38:07.459
special use permit.

07:38:07.459 --> 07:38:11.459
I'm sorry I'm tired.

07:38:11.459 --> 07:38:16.810
The subject site is surrounded by vacant lots on all sides

07:38:16.810 --> 07:38:19.459
to the north and the west.

07:38:19.459 --> 07:38:23.400
The site zoning is ECC and then there's some ECI just on

07:38:23.400 --> 07:38:27.939
the other side of that vacant lot to the east is so N.R.M.U

07:38:27.939 --> 07:38:34.580
. to the to the south is N.R.M.U. twelve with the townhouses

07:38:34.580 --> 07:38:38.279
of Ashley Oaks and the area directly adjacent to the

07:38:38.279 --> 07:38:40.459
subject site is a permanent open space.

07:38:40.459 --> 07:38:48.459
When the site was developed in nineteen eighty five there

07:38:48.459 --> 07:38:53.619
were not the standards that we have in place today were not

07:38:53.619 --> 07:38:58.229
in place at that time and as a result the site does not

07:38:58.229 --> 07:39:03.459
comply with parking requirements that we have in place

07:39:03.459 --> 07:39:03.459
today.

07:39:03.459 --> 07:39:07.720
The land use the site the subject site was owned commercial

07:39:07.720 --> 07:39:11.540
at the time it was developed and this self storage was

07:39:11.540 --> 07:39:16.049
permitted use when it was rezoned N.R.M.U. in the two

07:39:16.049 --> 07:39:19.450
thousand and two citywide rezoning it became a special

07:39:19.450 --> 07:39:25.459
exception as we just discussed in the previous case.

07:39:25.459 --> 07:39:30.279
The lot coverage there were no standards for open space at

07:39:30.279 --> 07:39:35.279
that time so pretty much it's all impervious surface except

07:39:35.279 --> 07:39:39.479
for a seven foot strip of land along the front along

07:39:39.479 --> 07:39:40.459
Virginia.

07:39:40.459 --> 07:39:46.130
For community mixed use the dent plan twenty thirty it's

07:39:46.130 --> 07:39:50.459
the sites designated community mixed use.

07:39:50.459 --> 07:39:55.459
The site is a site that is not in place.

07:39:55.459 --> 07:40:00.430
As I noted earlier that while the area is appropriate

07:40:00.430 --> 07:40:06.409
appropriate location for an automobile automobile repair

07:40:06.409 --> 07:40:07.459
facility.

07:40:07.459 --> 07:40:11.830
The warehouse office warehouse may not be ideal for this

07:40:11.830 --> 07:40:16.459
site because of the parking issues that have been noted.

07:40:16.459 --> 07:40:21.709
The site is not in place however based on the way we now we

07:40:21.709 --> 07:40:25.459
currently park repair facilities.

07:40:25.459 --> 07:40:33.459
It ends up that being the same required parking.

07:40:33.459 --> 07:40:38.950
The existing land uses surrounding the site are vacant or

07:40:38.950 --> 07:40:45.310
undeveloped land and university drive in U.S. U.S. three

07:40:45.310 --> 07:40:46.459
eighty.

07:40:46.459 --> 07:40:51.490
The issue P. request is a result of a lack of space to

07:40:51.490 --> 07:40:54.459
adequately park vehicles.

07:40:54.459 --> 07:40:58.150
The request does not provide any additional parking to

07:40:58.150 --> 07:41:00.459
address the original concern.

07:41:00.459 --> 07:41:04.270
I was talking to one of the business owners tonight and he

07:41:04.270 --> 07:41:07.849
may be able to to have a solution to some some parking

07:41:07.849 --> 07:41:14.750
issues that we've been talking about and I'll let him come

07:41:14.750 --> 07:41:18.459
up and address you.

07:41:18.459 --> 07:41:22.830
We sent out notices within two hundred and five hundred

07:41:22.830 --> 07:41:27.209
feet of the subject site and we received no responses in

07:41:27.209 --> 07:41:31.669
return and one side was posted on the site along Virginia

07:41:31.669 --> 07:41:32.459
circle.

07:41:32.459 --> 07:41:35.459
Staff actually recommends denial of this request.

07:41:35.459 --> 07:41:41.509
We find it difficult to approve something that we

07:41:41.509 --> 07:41:42.459
previously denied.

07:41:42.459 --> 07:41:45.400
I want to point out that the applicant who represents

07:41:45.400 --> 07:41:48.830
budget self storage has been extremely cooperative with the

07:41:48.830 --> 07:41:52.139
city and they've done everything that we have asked them to

07:41:52.139 --> 07:41:53.459
do for that reason.

07:41:53.459 --> 07:41:57.060
We are offering conditions so that if the planning and

07:41:57.060 --> 07:42:00.860
zoning commission decides that they wish to recommend

07:42:00.860 --> 07:42:04.909
approval we are offering up the following conditions that a

07:42:04.909 --> 07:42:08.689
new certificate of occupancy for the correct use quick

07:42:08.689 --> 07:42:11.459
vehicle servicing must be applied for and approved.

07:42:11.459 --> 07:42:14.909
This specific use permit shall be limited to these two

07:42:14.909 --> 07:42:18.819
particular business owners and these two particular site su

07:42:18.819 --> 07:42:19.459
ites.

07:42:19.459 --> 07:42:23.900
This permit will be limited to the use description and the

07:42:23.900 --> 07:42:28.330
floor plan shown in exhibit eight and exhibit nine in your

07:42:28.330 --> 07:42:32.409
backup overnight outdoor storage of automobiles is

07:42:32.409 --> 07:42:33.459
prohibited.

07:42:33.459 --> 07:42:37.139
And no more than two customer service vehicles per each

07:42:37.139 --> 07:42:40.729
business can be parked in the parking spaces in front of

07:42:40.729 --> 07:42:43.459
the building during business hours.

07:42:43.459 --> 07:42:47.459
That concludes my presentation.

07:42:47.459 --> 07:42:50.459
Yeah, on this.

07:42:50.459 --> 07:42:56.020
I cannot endorse the second condition that's offered that

07:42:56.020 --> 07:43:01.409
we limit the specific use permit to particular business

07:43:01.409 --> 07:43:06.810
owners because this this really should be a land use issue

07:43:06.810 --> 07:43:11.580
that deals with use of the land and should be agnostic as

07:43:11.580 --> 07:43:14.459
to who the owner of the property is.

07:43:14.459 --> 07:43:19.310
So for whatever it's worth and I apologize for calling it

07:43:19.310 --> 07:43:24.419
audible because we would said he's talking about talking to

07:43:24.419 --> 07:43:26.459
legal it wasn't me.

07:43:26.459 --> 07:43:30.740
Yeah, but it may have been another attorney but it wasn't

07:43:30.740 --> 07:43:34.849
did he any discussion that we had or I would have let you

07:43:34.849 --> 07:43:36.459
know that earlier.

07:43:36.459 --> 07:43:37.459
That's fine.

07:43:37.459 --> 07:43:40.459
We can we can withdraw that recommendation.

07:43:40.459 --> 07:43:44.930
Commissioner Smith to that point on that second one I guess

07:43:44.930 --> 07:43:49.400
the question I was gonna have was making sure that if there

07:43:49.400 --> 07:43:53.840
was an approval that that second condition would apply to

07:43:53.840 --> 07:43:56.459
if the business was ever sold.

07:43:56.459 --> 07:43:59.279
There was a new tenant that came in and use that that

07:43:59.279 --> 07:44:02.720
facility that it wouldn't continue wouldn't be grandfather

07:44:02.720 --> 07:44:05.849
ed it wouldn't be vested it'd be it'd be temporary it'd be

07:44:05.849 --> 07:44:08.459
gone and wouldn't wouldn't carry over.

07:44:08.459 --> 07:44:11.209
Is there a way legal for us to write that as a condition

07:44:11.209 --> 07:44:13.459
because we've done that another thing.

07:44:13.459 --> 07:44:17.029
Could we not just condition it to the property to the

07:44:17.029 --> 07:44:18.459
business owner.

07:44:18.459 --> 07:44:24.709
I know in the past with not here but in other cities with

07:44:24.709 --> 07:44:27.459
specific use permits particularly for private clubs.

07:44:27.459 --> 07:44:31.259
We have condition the specific use permit for alcoholic

07:44:31.259 --> 07:44:35.259
beverage to that business and no other business and if that

07:44:35.259 --> 07:44:39.189
business leaves so does the approval for alcohol beverage

07:44:39.189 --> 07:44:42.849
that that I can see a number of different issues for one

07:44:42.849 --> 07:44:47.459
thing you know there's an alcoholic beverage license that

07:44:47.459 --> 07:44:52.549
is specific to a given establishment or given owner and

07:44:52.549 --> 07:44:55.459
which is a different situation than what we have here.

07:44:55.459 --> 07:45:01.029
Okay. And there's there's also issues of state preemption

07:45:01.029 --> 07:45:04.849
and what have you and you know I'm sorry that we didn't get

07:45:04.849 --> 07:45:08.520
a chance to discuss it before and I have no problem with

07:45:08.520 --> 07:45:12.669
with tying it to to the two particular suites if that's if

07:45:12.669 --> 07:45:15.459
that's appropriate.

07:45:15.459 --> 07:45:21.509
It's it's tying it to the particular owners that I think is

07:45:21.509 --> 07:45:27.459
an issue as far as you know being temporary upon sale.

07:45:27.459 --> 07:45:31.619
I can't quite get there I think that's a condition to

07:45:31.619 --> 07:45:33.459
replace on the CEO.

07:45:33.459 --> 07:45:36.779
That's the case I mean the certificate of occupancy if the

07:45:36.779 --> 07:45:40.119
if that business was just my own understanding of how CEOs

07:45:40.119 --> 07:45:43.250
work if that business was ever to leave and then they go

07:45:43.250 --> 07:45:46.400
vacant and then the owner decide to lease to a new tenant

07:45:46.400 --> 07:45:50.459
that new tenant has to go and apply for a new CEO.

07:45:50.459 --> 07:45:53.759
I've had to do that on leased buildings inside the city of

07:45:53.759 --> 07:45:54.459
Denton.

07:45:54.459 --> 07:46:03.400
So we could tie it to the CEO, and that would solve that

07:46:03.400 --> 07:46:05.459
problem. I'm trying to specific business owner retired to

07:46:05.459 --> 07:46:05.459
stick out to feel occupancy. So if that's a condition that

07:46:05.459 --> 07:46:05.459
you'd endorse that.

07:46:05.459 --> 07:46:06.459
Yeah.

07:46:06.459 --> 07:46:10.560
And, you know, again I'm having to kind of shoot from a

07:46:10.560 --> 07:46:15.180
tractor seat here. But, you know, if you're inclined to do

07:46:15.180 --> 07:46:19.299
that that perhaps the way to address that would be to put

07:46:19.299 --> 07:46:23.330
something in the SCP that says upon consideration of a

07:46:23.330 --> 07:46:26.459
certificate of occupancy for the business

07:46:26.459 --> 07:46:31.520
that the intention is to prevent this use from being

07:46:31.520 --> 07:46:34.459
grandfathered in the future.

07:46:34.459 --> 07:46:39.459
And tie it to the suite.

07:46:39.459 --> 07:46:41.459
Commissioner pernetta.

07:46:41.459 --> 07:46:45.169
Yeah, I just got a couple of questions on on that so the

07:46:45.169 --> 07:46:49.259
primary issue right now that we're having is that there's a

07:46:49.259 --> 07:46:53.139
lack of parking be that the CEO is not currently used for

07:46:53.139 --> 07:46:55.459
what it was approved for right.

07:46:55.459 --> 07:46:57.459
Okay, they're in violation of their CEO.

07:46:57.459 --> 07:47:02.740
Because overall in terms of what the what the, what their

07:47:02.740 --> 07:47:05.549
business does. If it were to be rezoned or something like

07:47:05.549 --> 07:47:06.979
that to that effect I believe there's like a tire shop

07:47:06.979 --> 07:47:08.459
across the street, or something like that.

07:47:08.459 --> 07:47:13.500
As I said, this is not this is not a bad location for a

07:47:13.500 --> 07:47:19.700
business on automotive repair business with the zoning and,

07:47:19.700 --> 07:47:25.750
you know, the surrounding uses. It's just that the parking

07:47:25.750 --> 07:47:27.459
is an issue. And the fact that, while they're in violation

07:47:27.459 --> 07:47:27.459
of their CEO.

07:47:27.459 --> 07:47:31.799
So, so, to the parking. I understand from the photos that,

07:47:31.799 --> 07:47:36.020
you know, the overnight storage and everything was handled

07:47:36.020 --> 07:47:39.459
in a vacant lot that was owned by someone else.

07:47:39.459 --> 07:47:44.659
Pursuant to that, it has there been any plans expressed. If

07:47:44.659 --> 07:47:49.459
we were to approve this, where they would actually park

07:47:49.459 --> 07:47:51.459
those cars is there.

07:47:51.459 --> 07:47:53.459
Would that be on this property or someplace else or.

07:47:53.459 --> 07:47:57.459
That would be on this property.

07:47:57.459 --> 07:48:00.540
The business owner that I talked about is here, and he does

07:48:00.540 --> 07:48:03.459
not own the businesses putting the cars on that lot.

07:48:03.459 --> 07:48:07.459
That that is the other business.

07:48:07.459 --> 07:48:11.470
What this CEO, what this SUV would do was would make him

07:48:11.470 --> 07:48:15.479
have to move those cars off of that lot and and make other

07:48:15.479 --> 07:48:19.459
arrangements for the storage of those vehicles.

07:48:19.459 --> 07:48:22.849
And then verify and validate that that that that whatever

07:48:22.849 --> 07:48:24.459
the other location would be.

07:48:24.459 --> 07:48:28.169
Yes, we would do that when he applies for a certificate of

07:48:28.169 --> 07:48:31.459
occupancy for this quick vehicle service use.

07:48:31.459 --> 07:48:34.459
That would be when we would be working on that.

07:48:34.459 --> 07:48:35.459
Okay, thank you.

07:48:35.459 --> 07:48:40.959
I suggest what thing I'm just wondering, you know, is is is

07:48:40.959 --> 07:48:46.409
the applicant sure that he wants this decision made before

07:48:46.409 --> 07:48:49.459
these details are nailed down?

07:48:49.459 --> 07:48:54.220
Because if it's denied, you know, it could interfere with

07:48:54.220 --> 07:48:56.459
bringing the issue back.

07:48:56.459 --> 07:49:01.639
Is this something that's better nailed down, you know,

07:49:01.639 --> 07:49:09.459
before it's brought forward to a vote here at the PNZ?

07:49:09.459 --> 07:49:10.459
I'll say I'll go forward.

07:49:10.459 --> 07:49:12.459
If you just state your name and address.

07:49:12.459 --> 07:49:13.459
My name is Chris Haney.

07:49:13.459 --> 07:49:19.459
Address is 17787 West FM 922 Forestburg, Texas.

07:49:19.459 --> 07:49:23.400
I'm actually born and raised in Denton, been here 40 years

07:49:23.400 --> 07:49:25.459
and just moved there recently.

07:49:25.459 --> 07:49:28.459
I'm no then.

07:49:28.459 --> 07:49:33.459
I'm here on behalf of Randy and maybe that feedbacks.

07:49:33.459 --> 07:49:37.020
I'm here on behalf of Randy and then who is the property

07:49:37.020 --> 07:49:39.459
manager for budget self storage.

07:49:39.459 --> 07:49:42.459
I occupy unit 110.

07:49:42.459 --> 07:49:45.930
I don't know if you remember from the slideshow unit 110

07:49:45.930 --> 07:49:50.080
was originally for retail sales for car stereo equipment

07:49:50.080 --> 07:49:54.459
that was allowed to be sold and installed on facility.

07:49:54.459 --> 07:50:01.459
My business moved in a direction to where buddies, friends,

07:50:01.459 --> 07:50:03.459
hey, can you change my brakes?

07:50:03.459 --> 07:50:06.459
Hey, can you put a starter on my car?

07:50:06.459 --> 07:50:12.459
Unknowing to zoning and neighborhood residential multi use.

07:50:12.459 --> 07:50:14.459
I had no idea what any of this meant.

07:50:14.459 --> 07:50:18.459
I thought my CEO was just permission for me to be there.

07:50:18.459 --> 07:50:22.060
I've been in businesses where it's on the wall, their

07:50:22.060 --> 07:50:26.349
certificate of occupancy will say North Texas car audio and

07:50:26.349 --> 07:50:30.459
on the sign out on the building, it says auto sound.

07:50:30.459 --> 07:50:36.119
I didn't know the difference between any of this until 2017

07:50:36.119 --> 07:50:36.459
.

07:50:36.459 --> 07:50:41.470
Unlike 111 who was denied a CEO for automotive repair and

07:50:41.470 --> 07:50:46.459
then changed to storage and operated another repair shop.

07:50:46.459 --> 07:50:50.750
I didn't that him him in what he has done in the cars that

07:50:50.750 --> 07:50:53.459
are piled up around the place.

07:50:53.459 --> 07:50:57.459
Look bad for me in one of the pictures with all the cars.

07:50:57.459 --> 07:51:00.250
That's a totally separate piece of property that doesn't

07:51:00.250 --> 07:51:03.169
have anything to do with the property that's highlighted in

07:51:03.169 --> 07:51:06.290
the property that has the for the special use for sweet 110

07:51:06.290 --> 07:51:07.459
and 111.

07:51:07.459 --> 07:51:11.520
The property that was showed with a bunch of cars stored on

07:51:11.520 --> 07:51:15.459
it is commercial property is rented from the owner.

07:51:15.459 --> 07:51:18.400
And it doesn't have anything to do with budget self storage

07:51:18.400 --> 07:51:20.459
property and especially use permit.

07:51:20.459 --> 07:51:24.509
Although some of the cars are from him or whatever, that's

07:51:24.509 --> 07:51:27.459
an entire separate piece of property.

07:51:27.459 --> 07:51:32.860
I'm here because Randy, the manager had prior engagement

07:51:32.860 --> 07:51:35.459
before this date was set.

07:51:35.459 --> 07:51:37.459
And so I had to come in this place.

07:51:37.459 --> 07:51:40.740
It's actually better that I'm here because I probably

07:51:40.740 --> 07:51:42.459
answer more questions.

07:51:42.459 --> 07:51:47.459
Another concern that you may have with two shops.

07:51:47.459 --> 07:51:53.029
And more cars, I would like to address too, because from my

07:51:53.029 --> 07:51:57.790
understanding, the other automotive shop owner will not be

07:51:57.790 --> 07:51:59.459
there much longer.

07:51:59.459 --> 07:52:03.139
He's behind on his rent, has no way to come up with it, and

07:52:03.139 --> 07:52:06.459
he's probably not going to be there much longer.

07:52:06.459 --> 07:52:09.459
So it's only going to be me.

07:52:09.459 --> 07:52:14.459
My CEO that I got was from March of 2010.

07:52:14.459 --> 07:52:15.459
That's why it says 2010 on there.

07:52:15.459 --> 07:52:19.560
But I was in the building next door before that one for six

07:52:19.560 --> 07:52:20.459
months.

07:52:20.459 --> 07:52:24.889
So I've actually been there nine years with no complaints

07:52:24.889 --> 07:52:26.459
and no problems.

07:52:26.459 --> 07:52:29.459
I can fit eight vehicles inside the building.

07:52:29.459 --> 07:52:33.840
So there should never be any time where I have vehicles

07:52:33.840 --> 07:52:36.459
stored outside of the building.

07:52:36.459 --> 07:52:40.529
All the vehicles that are stored out there right now, I

07:52:40.529 --> 07:52:42.459
mean, we can -- I do have a few over there.

07:52:42.459 --> 07:52:43.459
I'm not saying it's all him.

07:52:43.459 --> 07:52:46.459
I do have a few over there, but a lot of it is him.

07:52:46.459 --> 07:52:50.720
But all that can be taken care of if need be and then come

07:52:50.720 --> 07:52:55.180
back and vote or whatever you -- however you were talking

07:52:55.180 --> 07:52:56.459
about that.

07:52:56.459 --> 07:52:57.459
Commissioner Gruner.

07:52:57.459 --> 07:53:00.220
And that was going to be my question because right now the

07:53:00.220 --> 07:53:01.459
recommendation is a denial.

07:53:01.459 --> 07:53:04.459
So based on what you're saying, that there are some factors

07:53:04.459 --> 07:53:08.389
in terms of the other parties involved that may change and

07:53:08.389 --> 07:53:11.459
may make this a little bit easier to go through,

07:53:11.459 --> 07:53:17.189
my understanding would be that probably if this would be

07:53:17.189 --> 07:53:18.459
amenable,

07:53:18.459 --> 07:53:22.080
would it be something that you'll be open to do to

07:53:22.080 --> 07:53:25.459
basically kind of retract this right now,

07:53:25.459 --> 07:53:28.220
and then maybe add some details in order that we've

07:53:28.220 --> 07:53:31.200
discussed tonight that would make us more likely to vote

07:53:31.200 --> 07:53:31.459
yes?

07:53:31.459 --> 07:53:34.209
Because my understanding is that if we go through the

07:53:34.209 --> 07:53:37.490
denial, that would create delays in terms of you getting an

07:53:37.490 --> 07:53:38.459
approval in the future.

07:53:38.459 --> 07:53:42.430
And I don't think anyone on here is particularly excited

07:53:42.430 --> 07:53:46.459
about creating a situation which a local business owner

07:53:46.459 --> 07:53:48.459
maybe put out

07:53:48.459 --> 07:53:52.169
or just a sort of delight to get the details sorted out

07:53:52.169 --> 07:53:54.459
would be beneficial for you.

07:53:54.459 --> 07:53:59.819
I mean, me and the manager of the property have both spent

07:53:59.819 --> 07:54:03.970
money and jumped through hoops and trying to do everything

07:54:03.970 --> 07:54:05.459
possible to make this work.

07:54:05.459 --> 07:54:10.520
And I don't know basically within a month if my neighbor is

07:54:10.520 --> 07:54:13.459
still going to be there or not.

07:54:13.459 --> 07:54:17.909
And he's the one that's causing a lot of problems for me

07:54:17.909 --> 07:54:20.459
because I'm not a dirty guy.

07:54:20.459 --> 07:54:24.509
I don't litter up the place. I don't park all the cars down

07:54:24.509 --> 07:54:25.459
the road.

07:54:25.459 --> 07:54:29.790
That road of parking that was in front of the building that

07:54:29.790 --> 07:54:34.080
showed every parking spot taken, there's probably four cars

07:54:34.080 --> 07:54:35.459
out there right now.

07:54:35.459 --> 07:54:39.680
I would say there's at least eight parking spots available

07:54:39.680 --> 07:54:40.459
right now.

07:54:40.459 --> 07:54:44.099
And two of the cars belong to a guy that rents a storage

07:54:44.099 --> 07:54:46.599
unit farther down that doesn't have anything to do with

07:54:46.599 --> 07:54:47.459
either one of our businesses,

07:54:47.459 --> 07:54:50.459
but he has two cars parked out there. You know what I mean?

07:54:50.459 --> 07:54:56.490
So as far as me and my footprint over there, it's not going

07:54:56.490 --> 07:55:03.459
to be noticed if he moves out because it's his problem.

07:55:03.459 --> 07:55:07.459
You know what I mean? And I have two spots.

07:55:07.459 --> 07:55:11.549
I actually have two spots in the back of the facility that

07:55:11.549 --> 07:55:13.459
are rented parking spots.

07:55:13.459 --> 07:55:18.459
And I have a 22 acre lot that I can put cars on if need be.

07:55:18.459 --> 07:55:23.750
So just for clarification, that motion would leave the

07:55:23.750 --> 07:55:27.729
public hearing open and we can continue to a date certain

07:55:27.729 --> 07:55:31.759
of November 14th if the commission wanted to exercise that

07:55:31.759 --> 07:55:32.459
option.

07:55:32.459 --> 07:55:33.889
But it looks like we have some other questions or

07:55:33.889 --> 07:55:35.459
discussions. Commissioner Beck.

07:55:35.459 --> 07:55:38.340
Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Mr. Haney. Appreciate you

07:55:38.340 --> 07:55:39.459
coming forward.

07:55:39.459 --> 07:55:44.040
And I'm sorry the other guy isn't here now. Your is Haney's

07:55:44.040 --> 07:55:44.459
garage.

07:55:44.459 --> 07:55:49.630
Correct. Okay. And you're in suite 110. 110. So you're not

07:55:49.630 --> 07:55:50.459
at the very end.

07:55:50.459 --> 07:55:55.159
Okay. And what is it again that you do? You started out

07:55:55.159 --> 07:55:57.400
wanting to do something and now you've gotten into

07:55:57.400 --> 07:55:58.459
something bigger.

07:55:58.459 --> 07:56:04.389
Okay. So I own a stereo shop in McKinney, Texas from 98 to

07:56:04.389 --> 07:56:05.459
05.

07:56:05.459 --> 07:56:10.169
In 05 I got broke into. I didn't have insurance. I lost

07:56:10.169 --> 07:56:11.459
everything.

07:56:11.459 --> 07:56:14.869
So then I moved my business back here and just started

07:56:14.869 --> 07:56:18.419
doing mobile a little bit at a time because I didn't have

07:56:18.419 --> 07:56:19.459
the money.

07:56:19.459 --> 07:56:22.419
I got enough money to open another shop. The storage units

07:56:22.419 --> 07:56:25.060
were available. A buddy of mine knew the guy that rented

07:56:25.060 --> 07:56:25.459
them.

07:56:25.459 --> 07:56:28.580
And so I opened a stereo shop and I was doing good for a

07:56:28.580 --> 07:56:34.459
little while making money. And then it just died off.

07:56:34.459 --> 07:56:38.400
So all my buddies in the business went to home audio, home

07:56:38.400 --> 07:56:42.459
theater and all that stuff. I didn't go that route.

07:56:42.459 --> 07:56:44.610
And next thing I know, hey, this buddy is asking me to put

07:56:44.610 --> 07:56:48.150
brakes on his car. This guy's asking me to do a starter or

07:56:48.150 --> 07:56:49.459
an alternator or.

07:56:49.459 --> 07:56:53.569
So you were initially just servicing audio. Correct. We

07:56:53.569 --> 07:56:56.459
were actually. They're in the shop. They bring the car in.

07:56:56.459 --> 07:57:01.310
We put neon lights under the car. We do TV screens in the

07:57:01.310 --> 07:57:05.459
headrest, stereo speakers, amplifiers.

07:57:05.459 --> 07:57:08.150
Some of the jobs would take us six, eight hours to get them

07:57:08.150 --> 07:57:09.459
all wired up and installed.

07:57:09.459 --> 07:57:14.029
Okay. Were you at that time, were you able not able to do

07:57:14.029 --> 07:57:17.849
the jobs that day so they leave the car overnight or were

07:57:17.849 --> 07:57:20.459
you just doing some custom jobs?

07:57:20.459 --> 07:57:23.209
Yes. Took two to three days. Okay. Where were you leaving

07:57:23.209 --> 07:57:24.459
those cars? Inside the facility.

07:57:24.459 --> 07:57:27.819
Inside. Okay. You say you can put up to eight vehicles in

07:57:27.819 --> 07:57:28.459
there.

07:57:28.459 --> 07:57:32.459
Between the two shops. Yes. Between the two shops means.

07:57:32.459 --> 07:57:35.720
Correct. So between between both of our shops, we can fit

07:57:35.720 --> 07:57:36.459
eight vehicles inside.

07:57:36.459 --> 07:57:39.790
Okay. Well, if he's going to close down, then that'll just

07:57:39.790 --> 07:57:42.990
leave you. How many can you get in? If he closes, then I

07:57:42.990 --> 07:57:44.459
would take over.

07:57:44.459 --> 07:57:48.549
Okay. So right now, how many can you get into suite 110? In

07:57:48.549 --> 07:57:52.459
110? Yeah. I can squeeze five, but four comfortably.

07:57:52.459 --> 07:57:57.459
Okay. There's normally four cars. Okay.

07:57:57.459 --> 07:58:01.020
Well, I'm glad you explained yourself. I wanted to give you

07:58:01.020 --> 07:58:04.459
an opportunity to explain, you know, how.

07:58:04.459 --> 07:58:06.590
I just want to explain how it evolved into what it is. It

07:58:06.590 --> 07:58:09.840
looked like it was a deliberately deceptive mood when you

07:58:09.840 --> 07:58:13.130
got your CO, but I, you know, based on what you've said now

07:58:13.130 --> 07:58:13.459
that.

07:58:13.459 --> 07:58:18.360
It just evolved into what it is. And at the time, this is

07:58:18.360 --> 07:58:23.459
my first time to ever be in any kind of meeting like this.

07:58:23.459 --> 07:58:27.459
It's really been after what went ahead of me. It's whoa.

07:58:27.459 --> 07:58:32.310
Yeah. Okay. So here's Mike. I was out there today and there

07:58:32.310 --> 07:58:34.459
were cars out front.

07:58:34.459 --> 07:58:38.020
Probably not as bad as on her videos, but that empty lot

07:58:38.020 --> 07:58:41.759
had, you know, I've got pictures of it here, had at least

07:58:41.759 --> 07:58:45.459
two dozen vehicles. How many of those were yours?

07:58:45.459 --> 07:58:49.509
I mean, to be quite honest, I rent that lot from Billy

07:58:49.509 --> 07:58:50.459
Stevens.

07:58:50.459 --> 07:58:54.459
Oh, you do? Yes, sir. Okay. So there's an understanding.

07:58:54.459 --> 07:58:55.459
There's an understanding there.

07:58:55.459 --> 07:58:59.669
That you can put the majority of those vehicles were on

07:58:59.669 --> 07:59:04.520
gravel with no grass. The rains that have come through. I

07:59:04.520 --> 07:59:07.549
have a guy that comes through in most just to keep the city

07:59:07.549 --> 07:59:08.459
office back.

07:59:08.459 --> 07:59:10.799
But the rains that came through the grass has grown through

07:59:10.799 --> 07:59:12.930
all the gravel and it looks like they're just parked on

07:59:12.930 --> 07:59:16.459
grass. Now some of Mr. Melton's my neighbor.

07:59:16.459 --> 07:59:22.060
Some of his cars are parked on the grass. I actually own

07:59:22.060 --> 07:59:27.779
probably four to six of those cars that I'll be taking home

07:59:27.779 --> 07:59:31.459
this week or within the next week.

07:59:31.459 --> 07:59:34.490
There's probably only about three cars, maybe four cars

07:59:34.490 --> 07:59:37.509
over there that are customers that need to be worked on and

07:59:37.509 --> 07:59:39.459
the rest of them are mountains.

07:59:39.459 --> 07:59:42.229
Okay, so explain to us how you're going to meet the

07:59:42.229 --> 07:59:45.400
criteria if we approve this, the condition that you will

07:59:45.400 --> 07:59:48.659
meet the minimum. A lot of what's on that lot right now is

07:59:48.659 --> 07:59:53.459
not stuff that it's stuff that's been accumulated over time

07:59:53.459 --> 07:59:55.270
that hasn't been dealt with because it didn't have to be

07:59:55.270 --> 07:59:55.459
dealt with.

07:59:55.459 --> 07:59:58.860
So how are we moving those out? How are we getting rid of

07:59:58.860 --> 08:00:00.740
those? I actually have been no towing on retainer. I can

08:00:00.740 --> 08:00:04.099
call them and have them tow anything for me at any time and

08:00:04.099 --> 08:00:06.459
I pay the bill at the end of the week.

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So some of them will be towed back to the owner's house.

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Some of those vehicles were towed in and it's jobs that I

08:00:13.389 --> 08:00:16.459
don't do or jobs that they can't afford to do.

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And so I have just allowed them to sit there instead of

08:00:20.020 --> 08:00:24.080
saying, hey, no, you have to pick up your car. It can't

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stay here, you know, or I'm gonna have to charge stores or

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vice versa. You know what I mean?

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Sure. Some of those have been there for quite a while and

08:00:33.610 --> 08:00:37.380
that lot's been cleaned off before. There was a time in the

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past where a letter got sent in and Billy said, hey,

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everything's got to come off the lot.

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And the whole lot got cleaned and two customers didn't pick

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up their cars and those cars got towed off. So he

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essentially didn't care until somebody else complained.

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Correct. He's okay with it.

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But moving forward, I want to focus more on shocks, struts,

08:00:57.310 --> 08:01:02.520
brakes, you know, just in and out jobs. You know, I don't

08:01:02.520 --> 08:01:05.970
want any cars coming in that need major work that are going

08:01:05.970 --> 08:01:10.159
to take, you know, days or a week to fix or anything like

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that.

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I've already had two transmission jobs lately that I sent

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out that I just, I'm not, I want to get away from any major

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engine or transmission repair and just stick with the

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basics and get them in and out, in and out.

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Because what I'm running into is I'm a small shop and I

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have one helper. It's me. When I'm not there, I'm closed.

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So what I'm running into on some of the other bigger jobs

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that are coming in, it's taken too much time to complete

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this job, where I've got three or four customers that have

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showed up with little short jobs that we could have done in

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that amount of time.

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And the money on the big jobs is not an issue. I would

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rather just have more customers in and out in and out, then

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to be working on one big job all day.

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Okay, here's my concern going forward. I was just off the

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bat, ready to deny this thing. I'm glad you explained

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yourself a little bit better. But going forward, I'm not

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sure that we can, you know, hold to the notion that this

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other guy is going to close up.

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Because if he doesn't, then he keeps causing problems.

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Well, I don't know how big a factor that is.

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Well, the problem is parking. If he's not, if he's got a

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lot of cars out there.

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Right. I don't, I don't know how big a factor that is.

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Because I mean there's, there's already an arrangement and

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an agreement for me to take over it when winning if he

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leaves and my understanding talking to him.

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And what he's telling me he's moving to back to his house

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to his shop. Okay. And shutting down his business before

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Thanksgiving. Okay, that's my understanding, regardless of

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whether he does or not, you're telling us that you can get

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those cars off that lot.

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And abide by the minimum parking by obviously putting up to

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eight vehicles in two suites. Correct. And then you have

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access to two parking spaces out front. Two parking spots

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in the back that are rented.

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Okay. Okay.

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Well that to me, you know, the criteria and I guess we're

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gonna go get rid of number two there. Is that what I'm

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understanding going to attach it.

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Okay.

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Let's. Okay, great.

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Thank you, sir.

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So before we get to Commissioner Smith, I'm going to

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question or Sanchez.

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I guess, I think you already answered my question but.

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So if you take over the other shop, it'll give you eight

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eight locations, I mean eight eight spots. Yes. And then

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outside you'll have what four or two.

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Two per business. That's basically up to the CEO, because I

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would have to reapply for a new CEO under the special use

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permit.

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Well based on the existing parking you had 12. And so I don

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't know how many offices you have in that total.

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Right now he has three parking spaces and Melton's has four

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parking spaces. So if he moves, are you going to stay in

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your current suite and then go into the other suite as well

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?

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I would rent it for additional parking and just additional.

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So he would have.

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I wouldn't have to front doors or two offices the office

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would stay shut I would stay where I'm at now, and just use

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the space.

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He would have seven spaces seven spaces there.

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Okay. And then you also have a location where you can take

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vehicles to.

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Correct. I'm 22 acres that I can park.

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Okay. And that are not in the city of Denton or the county

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of Denton.

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Okay.

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And you said you currently were renting the adjacent lot to

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park.

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Yeah, I, I have an agreement to keep the lawn and

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everything in compliance for the city of Denton to be able

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to park cars there.

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I can park vehicles on the gravel there, as long as I keep

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everything mode and keep it up to code. So there's no

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problem.

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And everything was up to code until the other repair shop

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has cars parked all over the grass and not on the gravel.

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But I can make all those disappear it's not a problem it's

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just never been a problem until now and now this problem I

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can make it disappear.

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I don't have to have a lot. I just use it because it's

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convenient.

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Chris Smith.

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I'd like to motion to table the vote on that's 18 dash 0002

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a reason for that would be.

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There's a lot sounds like a lot of a lot of promises a lot

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of things that need to be done.

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A lot of things that don't necessarily can't be put into a

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condition for an approval.

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You know, like, I wouldn't want to see it come back in

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front of us until the guy who's about to leave is going to

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be gone.

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That's how big a factor is that because the pretty manager

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the manager of the property seems to think that he didn't

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even want me to mention that.

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But I feel like I need to mention it because it's it's more

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than likely going to happen.

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And he's afraid that he was afraid he didn't want me to

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mention that he might be leaving because he was afraid that

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this would start the whole process over again.

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No, no, no.

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It's not. I'd say that the if you're saying that he's the

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he's the main main reason why there's the parking issue,

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which is the pretty much I'd say probably the biggest the

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biggest issue as a council.

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He has a question. Is that is that is that that's the

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parking issue that I'd like to see the parking issue

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resolved or at least a plan put together rather than

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something we just kind of discuss here willy nilly before

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we put up an approval.

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And so I'd really like to see some some actual slip solid

08:07:08.599 --> 08:07:13.459
ified that. Yep. He's he's out X date. These cars are going

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to be moved off this lot and we have an agreement that that

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lot will stay empty.

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And if they're not, then the CEO has has the right to be

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pulled. And those kinds of things are are I think Jerry's

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probably going to yell at me.

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No, they're looking at me. Okay. But just I don't know. I

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don't feel like I don't feel like it's this is giving a

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definite enough of an answer. And so I'd like to table it.

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City staff and you work together and the owner work

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together come back and give some more definite. These

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things cannot happen. If that's it, then okay.

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We'll vote on it then. That's my question. Mr. Smith. Are

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you give the date certain of the 28th. Yes, sir.

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And do you think number 28th is okay to come back. Yes.

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Okay.

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Everything is supposed to happen within that time. Perfect.

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Yeah. So we can kick the can for a little bit then.

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So we have a first with Commissioner Smith and Christian

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Pernetta.

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Yeah, as it stands, I don't think I could approve it. But

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if he were to come back in a month with, you know, more

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definite plans. Yes, I'd second to this.

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Commissioner Ellis. Thank you, Chair. Mr. Haney, thank you

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for coming out and staying in this epic meeting that we're

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in.

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Yeah, I mean, the issue is certainly the 28 cars or

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whatever is parked down there right now. I mean, that is

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not okay.

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Certainly does not help us try to get this approved. So,

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you know, it's not that we're trying to put you out of

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business.

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You've just been operating a business that's not allowed.

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Right. So trying to work with that, you're going to have to

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work on that other end.

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So by tabling this gives you some time. But those cars have

08:09:01.740 --> 08:09:05.580
got to be gone because part of the everything in my control

08:09:05.580 --> 08:09:08.459
will be gone because part of the condition of this.

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But it's both suites. So whether he's gone or not, I mean,

08:09:12.029 --> 08:09:15.389
if he if he leaves and cars are left behind, then I'll have

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them towed off.

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Yeah, the property owner or what have you. But I mean, it's

08:09:19.919 --> 08:09:22.459
it's both of these suites.

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One of the conditions is going to be you can't even park

08:09:25.619 --> 08:09:29.139
cars overnight there outside anywhere, not even on the two

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in front would be part of this condition overnight.

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They're going to have to be indoors somewhere. So I think

08:09:36.810 --> 08:09:40.729
all of us would probably need to see some effort going

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forward to show that you could actually comply with that.

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I generally don't leave cars out overnight. Right. Right.

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Well, but there's 28 of them sitting there overnight.

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I'm talking about the part of this condition that we're

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talking about is from the business standpoint, moving

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forward and how it would operate.

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And so I wouldn't leave customer cars like I own a few of

08:10:00.740 --> 08:10:03.330
those cars. I bought them from customers and just never did

08:10:03.330 --> 08:10:04.459
anything with them.

08:10:04.459 --> 08:10:07.290
But in the future, I wouldn't do that. You know what I mean

08:10:07.290 --> 08:10:08.459
? I understand that that's part of your business.

08:10:08.459 --> 08:10:13.060
That's just what happens in the mechanics world. But they

08:10:13.060 --> 08:10:16.459
can't be parked on a vacant lot like they are.

08:10:16.459 --> 08:10:20.720
Well, on a proof service, they were fine through code. But

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I'm not arguing the fact I'll make that disappear if I can

08:10:24.849 --> 08:10:25.459
stay.

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You know what I mean? I think this helps. At the time, they

08:10:29.560 --> 08:10:30.459
were parked on the approved service.

08:10:30.459 --> 08:10:32.689
It doesn't give you a denial right now, which is I think

08:10:32.689 --> 08:10:35.619
where this was probably going to head. And then that doesn

08:10:35.619 --> 08:10:36.459
't help you.

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So, thank you. Krischer Smith. Yeah, I'm totally okay with

08:10:44.459 --> 08:10:47.459
having a motion for approval in November 28th.

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After we table it and see some progress. It's just that if

08:10:51.400 --> 08:10:55.259
we deny you now, you're kind of up a creek without a paddle

08:10:55.259 --> 08:10:58.700
. If we approve you now, we have no definite that changes

08:10:58.700 --> 08:11:00.459
are going to happen.

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And if they don't happen, then it's going to become a code

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enforcement issue.

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And the last thing we want to have to do is have a local

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business has to tussle with code enforcement.

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And we just said, oh, yeah, we'll do it. Just go ahead and

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get it done, whatever. Rather say, just table it, come back

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, say, hey, we got all this stuff moved around. These things

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have been done.

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This guy's out of here. He's the one. He's the joker. He's

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been jacked around my cars that I bought that have been

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sitting out there. They're now on my 22 acre lot. Everyone

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's on the same page.

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Yeah, we'll give you we'll give you your approval to do

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that. That's what I want. I want to get everything fixed

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before.

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Because if I had if he's gone and I have room to park eight

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vehicles inside, I'm not going to be doing eight motor jobs

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at the same time where I have no place to park a car and I

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got to park cars out front.

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You know what I mean? I'll have eight spaces that there may

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be one car that I got to order brake pads for that it's

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special brakes or special shocks and I got to keep it

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overnight or two cars.

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But there's never going to be more than eight vehicles at

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one time.

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You know what I mean?

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So everything will be inside and everything will be

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as requested

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or as recommended

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once everything is cleaned up. And if I may just as a point

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of clarification, I'm assuming here that there's nothing

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that this commission is saying is promising to abate any

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enforcement if there's an ongoing violation.

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You know that that's a completely separate issue. This

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commission doesn't have authority to abate enforcement of a

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code requirement. So I just for whatever's worth I think

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with what the commission is saying is that if you force her

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to a vote today is likely going to be denial.

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But they'll give you an opportunity. But that doesn't mean

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that there won't be people giving you tickets if you are

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operating outside of the code requirements in the meantime.

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Correct.

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So we have a first and a second.

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Seeing no other discussion I call for a vote on the board.

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This is the table to date certain of November 28.

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Motion carries seven zero. We'll see you next month. Thank

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you.

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Moves us to our matrix.

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Anyone have anything else. Thank you, Chair. I'm sorry that

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I do have something but it all has to do with this epic

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meeting. Richard if there's anything you can do to get some

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of these lake view issues.

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Up to the forefront of some kind of discussion. I mean

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clearly Lakeview Boulevard needs to be looked at. And so

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please if you could get that in front of where it needs to

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go sooner rather than later.

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Already started. Thank you. And then the other thing is if

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D.I.S.D. is consulted on a project could we please get some

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of that in our in our backup material if there is some

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input there.

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I think that would be important to know especially for

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these larger projects that come before us.

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So if there is something to offer by them that that they

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have been you know contacted certainly if they've given

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input that would be great too. Thank you.

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I got one thing that this meeting has brought to light for

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me and that's is there any like training we can do for like

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Robert's rule of order in terms of decorum stuff that was

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going on tonight.

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I felt wholly inadequate to know how to engage in some of

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the one off banter or the laughing or the threats of that

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we're deceiving people. I appreciate that.

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But there is there's times where where an individual called

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a commissioner out and it led to like the sidebar thing and

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I think it's really I'd be really interested to know. And

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this could be a sidebar just for me personally unless other

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people want to know like some chair training.

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I would just like to know like what's expected of me as a

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chair and what my authority how far can it go because I was

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about to call some cop I was about to get him. I didn't

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thankfully but so any any information I get about like how

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to that's because that's the first time I've engaged.

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It's a lively group.

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Commissioner Smith. Thank you, Chair. The before City

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Council meetings that they play the video about the decorum

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and the manner in which you talk to City Council and I

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brought to Jerry and I actually mentioned to Jerry after

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the accusation started.

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And that's the reason why I gave the tongue-lashing that I

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did was because we don't we don't sit up here and work as

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as Matt just brought up we've been here for 10 hours by the

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way I've been here nine and a half because I showed up.

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Yeah, don't call it.

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The, I guess my check would just be that much smaller.

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But, but but but but video video just that they play for

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City Council play it again for even planning and zoning

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because we do have these heated exchanges happen between us

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so that, hey, do not don't call out a commissioner and if

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you, if you do that is grounds for removal from, from the

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chambers that that's, I would I would feel, I would feel

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better and as Larry applicant.

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Yeah, or look, yeah, making making you can't you can't

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address, you can't address anybody except for the council

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and you can only address the council and hole you cannot

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address anybody else in the crowd or the applicant or

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anything like that.

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And you know as Larry joked around but it's very true

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because who knows the next time we have another heated

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argument like this.

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I wonder how many of those people are going to be outside

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waiting for us by our cars but Larry said I said, well, you

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know, I mean we never know we never know who might be not

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be really really mad.

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I put that on the matrix to make that done in the future.

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Well, and the point I made in response to your suggestion

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was that it was kind of difficult to change horses in the

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middle of the street because we had already set the

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standard of engaging directly with the people who came up

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to the microphone.

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And, you know, entertaining their questions on the spot to

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staff to others, you know, asking the applicant to come up

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and answer a question directly what have you.

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There was maybe Andrew's training would be would be

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definitely needed that's that we, as commissioners would

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know then so we don't engage in that increase of sort of

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precedence, and it definitely.

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From my perspective, went a lot more smoothly to hold the

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questions and and and sort of the directions to staff until

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the end so that we can accumulate them all together and not

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, you know, that seemed to kind of encourage that behavior

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of asking questions directly to the commission

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to staff directly to the applicant. You know when it was

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initially invited by the commission got it. Understood. So

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it's our fault sorry Jerry.

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Thank you, Chair, just on your point about Roberts rules I

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know that attorney Richard Hayes gave a great presentation

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to city council on Roberts rules, I don't know if that

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would be something that could be done for us but I think it

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would benefit all of us.

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I assume that Richard won't have any problem if we adapt it

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to our needs it's about 60 slides long.

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So I don't know if it would be possible to trim that a bit

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but that would be my suggestion anyway.

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Great.

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So I got anything.

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Yeah, just wanted to make one thing that I'm going to try

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to do for each meeting.

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We had talked earlier today about just notification when

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there's the neighborhood meetings.

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So, so as I started to think through listing to everything

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what I'm going to try to do is at least might just be a

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short memo with each packet. Since we do meet every two

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weeks, I don't think anything will lag in between, but just

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to give you an update on.

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So here's all of the upcoming neighborhood meetings related

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to projects that are that are moving forward. But then in

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addition, just kind of letting everybody know what what was

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the result of any items that were recommendation from the

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commission to city council.

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And then we'll just go through that and see if there's

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anything that's changed or, or just just to make sure

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everyone's in the loop. So I thought it would just be

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easier that way rather than calling her individually. I'll

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just include include that memo and certainly got questions.

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Call or email. However, it's easier for you.

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If that works.

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Meeting at 1 57am October 25.