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Good evening and welcome to the planning and zoning work

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session for October 24th, 2018.

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It is 513.

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We'll open the work session meeting at this time.

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The first item is to clarify any agenda items listed in the

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agenda.

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Richard, do you have anything to start before you hop into

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the consent?

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>> No.

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>> Perfect.

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So we'll go into the consent agenda, 3A is Haley.

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Haley actually has 3A and B. So if you have any questions

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for Haley.

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Does anyone have any questions?

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Perfect. Margie, Commissioner Ellis.

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>> Thank you, Chair.

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I have a question, 3B really.

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I'm just curious.

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>> Does anyone have any questions for 3A real fast,

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Commissioner Ellis?

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>> I do.

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>> 3A? Perfect.

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Hey, can we just skip to 3B?

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So my question is on one of the notes where it says that we

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have to get permission

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from downstream owners for the runoff.

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Exactly how does that happen?

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>> So, Audra has a lot going on as I'm sure you've noticed.

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So there is, and I don't think it shows up on here exactly,

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further down to the east,

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closer to where we had the recent rezoning, there's an out

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fall there.

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And all of the developments, that one as well as this one

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and the property to the north

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of here that you may remember from last year, all are

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required to improve the storm water

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system to get their water to that point.

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So all three of the developers are in the process of trying

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to work together and figure

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out how they can share the cost of that and how that will

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happen.

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But engineering requested that that note be added in case

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all of that doesn't work out

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or just as a heads up that you still have to come to this

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agreement so that all three

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of you can share this and convey your water across each

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other's properties to get

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to that ultimate point that they all have to reach.

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So that's what that note is an advisement of.

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And additionally, there is a small property here that you

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see as, let me see if I can

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get to it here.

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It's a single family home that I believe also has a

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business associated with it, this

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lot one, block A of the Gary addition.

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That property also has to be traversed with the storm water

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line and they haven't yet

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completed those negotiations with that property owner about

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how they would get that storm

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system across his property.

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So four parcels that all have to work together here to get

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this accomplished.

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Right.

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So is that something that's done in writing and then?

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It would be ultimately.

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They're still pretty early in that because this property is

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kind of the first piece in

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but we're also working on the preliminary plat for this

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piece as well.

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And then with that recent rezoning, I suspect we'll see

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that plat for the further east property

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as well.

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But that's what that note is referencing is just that kind

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of team spirit that we're trying

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to get to to get this accomplished, to get Audra

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consistently improved with storm as

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well as street improvements as all three of these pieces

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come in.

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And what's being and what is held up if that doesn't happen

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The entire project?

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Um, there, I guess the biggest potential holdup is all

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three of the developers seeming very

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inclined to work together and share this cost would be this

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this kind of holdout lot here

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that that's already developed.

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So if that's the case, there is a potential that, you know,

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improvements could be skipped

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on that parcel if we're not able to to work with them.

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But they are working together and working with our

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engineering department to see what

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we can do to get all of this accomplished at once.

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So thanks.

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Any other questions for Haley?

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Thanks, Haley.

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Three C is Julie Wyatt's item.

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Any questions for that preliminary plot?

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Awesome.

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That is our consent agenda.

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Moving to public hearing for a has been postponed to a date

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certain of November 14.

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So we'll skip that one for now.

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Goes into the next one is for B, which is Cindy Jackson for

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final reply.

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So can you come up and present the final reply?

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Cindy will be seeing a lot of you tonight.

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I think I just need to pull a stool up to the podium.

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Okay.

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Fr 1810 is a request for approval of a final replat of 15A

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R1 and 15A R2, block 17, a

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residential replat of lot 15A, block 17 of Royal Acres.

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The site is generally located at the southeast corner of

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the intersection of Hercules and

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Wellington Lane.

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You can see it right here.

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The plot actually was initially subdivided.

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It was approved in 1972 and it's hard to see, but here it

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is as two lots.

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In 1976, the property owner at that time re-platted it to

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create one lot.

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And what we have tonight is a request to take it back to

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two lots.

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We sent out 21 public notices via certified mail and then

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275 public notices to the entire

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subdivision via certified mail, which is required by the

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local government code when we have

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a residential replat.

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We sent out 500, excuse me, 49 courtesy noses within 500

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feet of the site.

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And as you can see, we got no one in opposition within 200

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feet of the site.

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No one in favor, one neutral.

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And then we had four in opposition in the subdivision and

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two in favor within the subdivision

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and one that was neutral.

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Cindy, apart from us knowing the subdivision's response,

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the subdivision response outside

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the 200 foot buffer does not play into supermajority voting

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That's just for our own edification?

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That's correct.

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You want to wait?

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Okay.

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Well, we recommend approval.

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Krista Ellis.

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Thank you, Chair.

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Okay.

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So currently there is a house built on the north side of

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that.

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That's correct.

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Right.

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And that's staying?

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Yes, it is.

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In fact, I had the applicant provide me a survey of the

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site so I could verify that

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the house with the subdivision of the land will still

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comply with all the requirements

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with setbacks and open space and all.

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And it does?

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Yeah, because it does look like it's going to sit quite.

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Yep.

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It does.

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At the south end of that boundary line.

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It does.

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I wanted to make sure of that before we move forward.

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Thanks.

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Okay.

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Oh, Commissioner Beck.

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Thank you.

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Chair, I'm not sure why the opposition, but I'm reading

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this one here.

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I guess they were concerned that something other than a

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residence was going to be built

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there, but that's not possible, is it?

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Well, no, it's not.

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It's 7NR4.

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Thanks.

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Yes, sir.

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Commissioner Sanchez.

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Is it my understanding that, okay, the house will fit on

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one lot and the other lot will

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have, it's big enough to build a house of same caliber, 3,

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000 square foot, or that's

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about what you have in that neighborhood?

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Yes, it is.

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The lot that is proposed is 12,000 square feet in area,

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which is significantly above

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the minimum requirement of 9,000 for NR4.

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Thank you, Cindy.

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Appreciate that.

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Sure.

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Next is agenda item 4C, the final replat by Ron Magenta.

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Thank you, Chair, members of the commission for my

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presentation.

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This is a final replat, a residential replat.

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That's why we're here for a public hearing.

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It's for a property located on Bernard.

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711 is the address.

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Family zone DR2.

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The property is approximately .289 acres.

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The applicant is proposing to subdivide the lot.

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It is currently platted, but subdividing the lot into two

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lots, one lot in front and a

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flag lot to the rear.

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The dimensions and requirements per the DDC has all been

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met.

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They also meet the density requirements.

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We sent out notices per state law within 200 feet and the

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subdivision and have not received

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any letters or responses of any opposition neutral or in

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favor.

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With that, staff recommends approval of this final replat,

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residential replat of 711 Bernard.

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Commissioner Beck.

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Thank you, Chair.

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The name kind of throws you off the treehouse apartment.

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Yes.

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There's actually nothing there right now.

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So it's going to build a duplex.

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Can you go back to the site map that you showed?

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So how are the people in the back going to access and park?

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There's a 21 access easement by this plat.

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And so I believe there's an existing drive here now.

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They're just going to extend that.

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The treehouse apartment name came by way of them platting

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this lot.

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I think it was last year wanted to develop apartments, but

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they were not able to meet

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that either financially or with the size of the lot.

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So they came back and wanted to replat it so that they can

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build two duplexes on this.

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So parking will occur on that little inlet street?

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No, this is access.

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So it's an easement.

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So they won't be able to park there.

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This is just the driveway easement.

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It will be required to park within the subject lot.

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Is there garages then?

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We haven't seen the site plan, but they will have to meet

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all the development requirements

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in order to develop.

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Great.

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Thanks.

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Any other questions for Ron?

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Thank you very much.

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Item four.

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I do have one.

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Commissioner Burnetta.

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Kind of piggybacking on what Commissioner Beck just said.

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So there's no parking on that.

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That's just an entryway, right?

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It's an access easement, yes.

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And based on where that is around the university, there's

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almost no street parking on there.

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They will be required to have parking on the property.

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Correct.

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Per the development code, there are parking requirements on

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site and they will have to

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meet that in order to develop.

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All right.

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Excellent.

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Thank you.

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Yes.

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Thank you, Ron.

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Okay.

278
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Next is 4D Cindy Jackson again for a rezone.

279
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Okay.

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I am going to combine the presentation for Z170004 and S17

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008 into one since they both

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are on the same lot.

283
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This is a request to public hearings.

284
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It's a request to provide an initial zoning designation of

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NR6 on approximately 118.04

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acres of land.

287
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The second request is a SUP for manufactured housing

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development.

289
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You'll notice on the aerial map here, I've got a red dashed

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line along here.

291
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This demarcates that area that is being considered for

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zoning.

293
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It's to the north of this line and the SUP, it includes all

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of the area inside the yellow

295
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box.

296
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The subject site is generally located north of McKinney

297
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Street and west of South Trinity

298
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Road, which is right here.

299
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Current zoning on the site is RD5X because the site was

300
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actually annexed into the city

301
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last August.

302
00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:23,039
The site has a placeholder zoning of RD5X.

303
00:13:23,039 --> 00:13:27,120
They're requesting an initial zoning designation of NR6.

304
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This will be an extension of the existing NR6 that you can

305
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see located on the south

306
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of the site.

307
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This is the proposed concept plan.

308
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The total land area when you include the area that is

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already zoned along McKinney Street

310
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is 126.1 gross acres and that includes the 118 proposed for

311
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rezoning.

312
00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:56,470
The ESA is 18.5 acres and you can see this here, the

313
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applicant is proposing to preserve

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100% of the ESA on the site.

315
00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:07,240
The open space on the site equates to 15.4 acres and you

316
00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,240
can see all the open space and

317
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parks that are being proposed for this site.

318
00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:17,799
There's pocket parks all over the site.

319
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The modular and manufactured homes are located within the

320
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yellow areas along here.

321
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There's 497 stands proposed and then six single family one

322
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acre lots are proposed along the

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east side along Trinity.

324
00:14:39,220 --> 00:14:44,539
The overall density of the site is four dwelling units per

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acre.

326
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When looking at rezoning a site, the criteria that we use

327
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is in section 35.3.4b which says

328
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that the proposed rezoning must conform to the future land

329
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use element of the Denton

330
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Plan 2030 and the proposed rezoning facilitates the

331
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adequate provision of transportation,

332
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water, sewer schools, parks and other public requirements

333
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and public convenience.

334
00:15:13,639 --> 00:15:20,159
When looking at the future land use, sorry I'm trying to

335
00:15:20,159 --> 00:15:22,720
get caught up here.

336
00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,980
Based on the Denton Plan 2030, the most appropriate zoning

337
00:15:26,980 --> 00:15:29,600
for the site is the NR4 zoning district

338
00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:35,360
with a future land use designation of low residential.

339
00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:40,529
Pretty much the NR6 that is proposed meets the intent of

340
00:15:40,529 --> 00:15:43,220
the future land use only when

341
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you apply the conditions for approval that staff is

342
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recommending which limits the density

343
00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,919
to four dwelling units per gross acre as shown on the

344
00:15:53,919 --> 00:15:55,120
concept plan.

345
00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:59,120
The applicant is planning to provide let's see two left

346
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turn lanes into the site from

347
00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:02,840
McKinney Street.

348
00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:07,690
The ultimate right of way for Post Oak Road which will be

349
00:16:07,690 --> 00:16:10,279
along here will be dedicated

350
00:16:10,279 --> 00:16:15,450
equating to 1100 linear feet parallel to the subject site

351
00:16:15,450 --> 00:16:17,679
and it will be dedicated with

352
00:16:17,679 --> 00:16:18,879
this project.

353
00:16:18,879 --> 00:16:23,580
The four lane intersection of Post Oak and McKinney will be

354
00:16:23,580 --> 00:16:25,679
constructed with this by

355
00:16:25,679 --> 00:16:32,690
the developer with this application and that will include a

356
00:16:32,690 --> 00:16:35,840
traffic signal as well.

357
00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:39,240
There are two planned access points along Post Oak.

358
00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,980
There is a full access located to the north and a right in

359
00:16:42,980 --> 00:16:44,960
right out located closer to

360
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the intersection.

361
00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,450
The applicant is also proposing as I mentioned earlier to

362
00:16:50,450 --> 00:16:52,679
preserve 100% of the ESA located

363
00:16:52,679 --> 00:16:54,279
on the site.

364
00:16:54,279 --> 00:16:58,220
Adjoinage analysis will be completed during the plotting

365
00:16:58,220 --> 00:17:00,200
and civil engineering of the

366
00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:06,599
site to ensure no negative impact to adjoining properties.

367
00:17:06,599 --> 00:17:10,680
As noted previously the requested NR6 is a continuation of

368
00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:12,799
the NR6 that is located along

369
00:17:12,799 --> 00:17:15,880
McKinney Street.

370
00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:19,569
The uses permitted in the NR6 district are consistent with

371
00:17:19,569 --> 00:17:21,160
the uses that exist in the

372
00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,539
area today however at a lower density.

373
00:17:23,539 --> 00:17:28,390
The reason that the applicant requested the NR6 as opposed

374
00:17:28,390 --> 00:17:31,059
to the NR4 is because the NR6

375
00:17:31,059 --> 00:17:35,779
it permits a manufactured housing park upon approval of a

376
00:17:35,779 --> 00:17:36,440
SUP.

377
00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:40,880
But the applicant is trying to keep it to NR4 standards

378
00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:42,720
with their density.

379
00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:47,049
The uses surrounding the area we've got Ashley Oaks which

380
00:17:47,049 --> 00:17:49,000
is a mobile home park that has

381
00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:50,000
been --

382
00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:51,000
Commissioner Smith.

383
00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:52,000
Thank you Chair.

384
00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,720
You're probably about to answer my question but if NR6 and

385
00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,559
the mobile the manufactured

386
00:17:57,559 --> 00:18:00,880
home park and everything else but Ashley Oaks is NR2?

387
00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,799
Ashley Oaks is NR2 and I really don't know why.

388
00:18:04,799 --> 00:18:07,400
Neither do I.

389
00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:12,519
It was constructed in between 1985 and 86.

390
00:18:12,519 --> 00:18:18,400
And it was zoned NR2 during the 2002 rezoning.

391
00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:22,990
My thought is that it probably was just complying with the

392
00:18:22,990 --> 00:18:26,319
underlying future land use designation

393
00:18:26,319 --> 00:18:31,400
that it has which is low residential.

394
00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,240
That's the only -- it doesn't comply.

395
00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,079
It's a nonconforming use.

396
00:18:36,079 --> 00:18:39,490
And the other mobile home park that's just south of the

397
00:18:39,490 --> 00:18:43,160
property, the subject property,

398
00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,079
that's all RD5X?

399
00:18:46,079 --> 00:18:47,079
That has been annexed in.

400
00:18:47,079 --> 00:18:48,079
It hasn't been zoned.

401
00:18:48,079 --> 00:18:49,079
Okay.

402
00:18:49,079 --> 00:18:50,079
Yeah.

403
00:18:50,079 --> 00:18:51,079
So it's RD5X.

404
00:18:51,079 --> 00:18:52,079
It's placeholder.

405
00:18:52,079 --> 00:18:53,079
Okay.

406
00:18:53,079 --> 00:18:57,119
And traditionally Cindy whenever we do have a manufactured

407
00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,279
home park like that would this

408
00:18:59,279 --> 00:19:00,839
be the best way for them to go?

409
00:19:00,839 --> 00:19:02,599
It would be NR6 with an SCP for --

410
00:19:02,599 --> 00:19:04,799
That's what we required.

411
00:19:04,799 --> 00:19:07,940
That's what you would -- anybody comes in and says I want

412
00:19:07,940 --> 00:19:09,039
to build a manufactured home

413
00:19:09,039 --> 00:19:12,039
you can find NR6 and you need to apply for SCP.

414
00:19:12,039 --> 00:19:13,039
That's right.

415
00:19:13,039 --> 00:19:14,039
Understood.

416
00:19:14,039 --> 00:19:15,640
We worked pretty extensively with the applicant.

417
00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,599
We've been working with the applicant for over a year now.

418
00:19:18,599 --> 00:19:19,599
Two years.

419
00:19:19,599 --> 00:19:20,599
Two years.

420
00:19:20,599 --> 00:19:23,000
That's why it's got 17 on it.

421
00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,359
Yeah, on this site.

422
00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,519
The applicant has significantly reduced the density of this

423
00:19:29,519 --> 00:19:31,319
site since it first came in.

424
00:19:31,319 --> 00:19:34,259
And he's also -- they've also introduced the single family

425
00:19:34,259 --> 00:19:36,359
home sites that are along Trinity

426
00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:37,799
to bring down the density.

427
00:19:37,799 --> 00:19:40,990
So the applicant has been very cooperative in working with

428
00:19:40,990 --> 00:19:42,440
the city and trying to get

429
00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:48,279
this to a place where it is approvable with conditions.

430
00:19:48,279 --> 00:19:49,279
Okay.

431
00:19:49,279 --> 00:19:52,279
I'll let you keep going.

432
00:19:52,279 --> 00:19:53,279
Commissioner Beck.

433
00:19:53,279 --> 00:19:54,279
Thank you, Chair.

434
00:19:54,279 --> 00:19:55,279
Oh, dear Lord.

435
00:19:55,279 --> 00:19:56,279
Sorry.

436
00:19:56,279 --> 00:20:01,480
We'll come back to you.

437
00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:02,480
Yeah.

438
00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:03,480
We'll probably come back.

439
00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:07,569
Well, let me ask something that I'm going to ask later

440
00:20:07,569 --> 00:20:09,920
since I can't remember this one

441
00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:10,920
right.

442
00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:11,920
Can you go back to the concept plan?

443
00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:12,920
Mm-hmm.

444
00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:14,920
I'll go forward to it.

445
00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:16,079
Okay.

446
00:20:16,079 --> 00:20:19,660
Just north of where the six one-acre lots are, there's a

447
00:20:19,660 --> 00:20:21,440
little strip of land there

448
00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,000
that will back up to the phase three.

449
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:25,000
Right here?

450
00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:26,599
No, go to the white area.

451
00:20:26,599 --> 00:20:29,039
Yes, that area right there.

452
00:20:29,039 --> 00:20:30,039
That's a real narrow strip.

453
00:20:30,039 --> 00:20:32,799
And as we look at, you know, the design here, it doesn't

454
00:20:32,799 --> 00:20:34,400
look like you could build much

455
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:35,400
on that.

456
00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,700
And I know there's probably no answer for this, but that's

457
00:20:38,700 --> 00:20:40,279
going to be probably left

458
00:20:40,279 --> 00:20:44,480
vacant, or we have no idea.

459
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:45,480
Right now, I don't know.

460
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:46,480
And it's already --

461
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:47,480
It's not in the city yet.

462
00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:48,480
Oh, it hasn't been --

463
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:49,480
No.

464
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:50,480
Okay.

465
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:51,480
Okay.

466
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:52,480
I thought it was already --

467
00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:53,480
Let me get back to the -- see, that's not the right way.

468
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,680
See, that's not -- oh, it is the city.

469
00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:56,680
It is already.

470
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:57,680
Yes, it's already 5X.

471
00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:58,680
Yeah.

472
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,680
It came into the city.

473
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:01,680
That's going to be interesting to see who --

474
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:02,680
The public's got a single-family house on it.

475
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:03,680
I did check that.

476
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,089
That's going to be interesting to see who requested zone

477
00:21:07,089 --> 00:21:08,880
designation for that and what

478
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:09,880
it is.

479
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,180
Just out of curiosity, too, that little strip along McKin

480
00:21:12,180 --> 00:21:14,079
ney there that was already in R6.

481
00:21:14,079 --> 00:21:15,079
Mm-hmm.

482
00:21:15,079 --> 00:21:16,079
Okay.

483
00:21:16,079 --> 00:21:17,079
Was there -- there's nothing there, though.

484
00:21:17,079 --> 00:21:18,079
No.

485
00:21:18,079 --> 00:21:19,079
Okay.

486
00:21:19,079 --> 00:21:21,880
It's odd why they would just do that little strip.

487
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,640
Well, that's what they did back when they did strip zoning.

488
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:26,640
Strip annexation, rather.

489
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:27,640
Yeah.

490
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,880
They annexed 1,000 feet and then they strip --

491
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:31,880
Okay.

492
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:32,880
-- zoned it.

493
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:33,880
Strip zoned it.

494
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:39,500
To what -- we're not sure why they recommended that in 2002

495
00:21:39,500 --> 00:21:39,880
.

496
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:40,880
Okay.

497
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,240
Because we've got -- it's kind of like we've got a

498
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,160
transition going here.

499
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:47,160
NRMU.

500
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:48,160
Yeah.

501
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,160
Then NR6 and then NR2.

502
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:51,160
Okay.

503
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:52,160
And I did -- yeah.

504
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,880
I did recall what I was trying to say.

505
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,819
Now they'll be expected to meet the criteria for parking of

506
00:21:59,819 --> 00:22:01,079
NR6, right?

507
00:22:01,079 --> 00:22:05,019
Well, they're expected to meet the criteria for parking of

508
00:22:05,019 --> 00:22:07,119
single-family homes, manufactured

509
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,279
homes, which is two parking spaces.

510
00:22:10,279 --> 00:22:11,279
Okay.

511
00:22:11,279 --> 00:22:14,279
That's different from regular NR6?

512
00:22:14,279 --> 00:22:16,720
NR6 doesn't have parking regulations.

513
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:17,720
No.

514
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:18,720
It's for use.

515
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:19,720
Oh.

516
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:20,720
Okay.

517
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,240
Commissioner Sanchez?

518
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:27,200
You mentioned that you had worked extensively with them to

519
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,079
bring the numbers down.

520
00:22:29,079 --> 00:22:32,640
Why were you working to bring those numbers down as far as

521
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,680
how -- the number of structures

522
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,920
when you were -- I know you're willing -- they want to --

523
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,720
NR6, but why were you working -- why

524
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,559
was that such an important thing to bring those numbers

525
00:22:43,559 --> 00:22:44,039
down?

526
00:22:44,039 --> 00:22:48,380
Because of opposition from the neighborhood that is located

527
00:22:48,380 --> 00:22:50,559
to the north, significantly

528
00:22:50,559 --> 00:22:53,119
to the north, Lakeview --

529
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:54,119
[ Inaudible ]

530
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:55,119
Yes.

531
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:56,119
Yeah.

532
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:57,119
Yeah.

533
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:58,119
Okay.

534
00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,119
Yes.

535
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:03,430
They had significant concerns expressed that to get to and

536
00:23:03,430 --> 00:23:06,200
from 380, people would come

537
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,940
out here and go along Trinity through their neighborhood to

538
00:23:09,940 --> 00:23:11,279
get to 380.

539
00:23:11,279 --> 00:23:14,039
So what the applicant did -- well, first he put those

540
00:23:14,039 --> 00:23:15,759
single-family houses along here,

541
00:23:15,759 --> 00:23:22,059
which is -- it serves as a transition between the higher-d

542
00:23:22,059 --> 00:23:25,799
ensity park and uses to the east.

543
00:23:25,799 --> 00:23:28,880
And then he pretty much directed all of the traffic.

544
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:33,920
As you can see, all the traffic is directed to the west.

545
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:38,400
The timing of the development of this, if it's approved,

546
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,000
McKinney Street is anticipated

547
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,319
to be widened in approximately two years.

548
00:23:44,319 --> 00:23:46,920
It's under design right now.

549
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,599
And Mayhill Road is expected to be completed within two

550
00:23:50,599 --> 00:23:51,279
years.

551
00:23:51,279 --> 00:23:55,720
So once this is developed, there will be little impact on

552
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,400
the traffic because of those improvements.

553
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,160
Plus we've got post-doc that the applicant will be

554
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,400
constructing to give additional access

555
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,599
to the site off of McKinney away from Trinity.

556
00:24:07,599 --> 00:24:08,599
Okay.

557
00:24:08,599 --> 00:24:13,019
>> Because how many -- what would be the difference between

558
00:24:13,019 --> 00:24:15,640
how many different structures with

559
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,119
an NR6 and an NR4?

560
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,940
Like you say, most people are going to be going out McKin

561
00:24:20,940 --> 00:24:21,319
ney.

562
00:24:21,319 --> 00:24:24,240
Very few people are going to go up to 380 unless they're

563
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,079
going to use 380 if they have

564
00:24:26,079 --> 00:24:28,440
to -- they're going to take Trinity even if they have to go

565
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:29,960
on 380.

566
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,839
It doesn't make any difference.

567
00:24:31,839 --> 00:24:33,059
Not that many people.

568
00:24:33,059 --> 00:24:34,559
So I just didn't understand that.

569
00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:35,559
Okay.

570
00:24:35,559 --> 00:24:40,170
Well, that is just the feeling of those people in that

571
00:24:40,170 --> 00:24:41,799
neighborhood.

572
00:24:41,799 --> 00:24:45,740
Even at the meeting that we had Monday night, which I gave

573
00:24:45,740 --> 00:24:47,440
you a synopsis, the applicant

574
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,319
explained how all the traffic's been diverted to the west.

575
00:24:50,319 --> 00:24:52,779
And they were still saying that, you know, people are still

576
00:24:52,779 --> 00:24:54,000
going to go up through their

577
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,640
neighborhood to get to 380.

578
00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:01,019
But realistically, if you've got McKinney improved and May

579
00:25:01,019 --> 00:25:03,140
hill is improved, it's much

580
00:25:03,140 --> 00:25:06,190
easier and expeditious to go to McKinney and up Mayhill

581
00:25:06,190 --> 00:25:08,000
than it is to go through a two-lane

582
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,619
road and over a one-lane bridge to -- and through

583
00:25:11,619 --> 00:25:14,920
residential to try to get to 380.

584
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:15,920
All right.

585
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:16,920
All right.

586
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:17,920
Commissioner Beck.

587
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:18,920
Thank you, Chair.

588
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,539
It was mentioned in our material that they're going to be

589
00:25:22,539 --> 00:25:24,500
putting a masonry wall on the

590
00:25:24,500 --> 00:25:27,519
south facing and the east facing.

591
00:25:27,519 --> 00:25:29,990
But they didn't mention anything in that right of way or

592
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:31,480
where POSOK is going to come through

593
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,869
or they going to -- is that -- they're not going to be a m

594
00:25:33,869 --> 00:25:34,920
asonry wall there?

595
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:36,920
I believe there is, yes.

596
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:37,920
Okay.

597
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:38,920
Okay.

598
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:39,920
Thanks.

599
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:40,920
Commissioner Ellis.

600
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:41,920
Thank you, Chair.

601
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,519
So those six one-acre lots --

602
00:25:45,519 --> 00:25:46,519
Yeah.

603
00:25:46,519 --> 00:25:49,920
Are they within the gate of the gated manufacturer?

604
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:50,920
No.

605
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:51,920
They're not.

606
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:52,920
They're going to be outside of --

607
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:53,920
Yeah.

608
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,720
They'll be their own little subdivision there.

609
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:56,720
Okay.

610
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,799
But they're part of this SUP only because it's part of the

611
00:25:59,799 --> 00:26:01,319
conditions of approval.

612
00:26:01,319 --> 00:26:04,000
That they need to remain as six one-acre lots.

613
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,000
Understood.

614
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,000
Okay.

615
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:13,000
Let's see where it was.

616
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:20,640
Oh, okay.

617
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,579
When you compare the density of the two mobile home parks

618
00:26:24,579 --> 00:26:26,720
that are here on either side,

619
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:32,269
actually the density of 5.99 dwelling units per acre and I

620
00:26:32,269 --> 00:26:35,480
believe it's Denton Falls has

621
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:40,720
a density of 5.12 dwelling units per acre.

622
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:45,640
These are more of the trailer park homes that we're used to

623
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,039
and these types of homes won't

624
00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:48,519
be in this park.

625
00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:52,460
This park will only be manufactured and modular homes which

626
00:26:52,460 --> 00:26:54,700
, by the way, the city considers

627
00:26:54,700 --> 00:26:57,160
modular homes to be single family.

628
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,319
So they would be allowed on this site by right.

629
00:27:01,319 --> 00:27:08,250
If they were put into a lot instead of on a stand in a park

630
00:27:08,250 --> 00:27:08,759
.

631
00:27:08,759 --> 00:27:09,759
Commissioner Begg.

632
00:27:09,759 --> 00:27:10,759
Thank you, Chair.

633
00:27:10,759 --> 00:27:11,759
And they're going to be put on foundations.

634
00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:12,759
Yes.

635
00:27:12,759 --> 00:27:13,759
Are those slab foundations?

636
00:27:13,759 --> 00:27:14,759
Concrete reinforced foundations.

637
00:27:14,759 --> 00:27:15,759
Okay.

638
00:27:15,759 --> 00:27:16,759
Not pure and mean.

639
00:27:16,759 --> 00:27:17,759
Okay.

640
00:27:17,759 --> 00:27:20,759
Either way is fine.

641
00:27:20,759 --> 00:27:21,759
Okay.

642
00:27:21,759 --> 00:27:22,759
Notices.

643
00:27:22,759 --> 00:27:27,609
We have about 16 notices via certified mail within 200 feet

644
00:27:27,609 --> 00:27:29,759
of the site and 19 notices

645
00:27:29,759 --> 00:27:33,759
via regular mail.

646
00:27:33,759 --> 00:27:35,759
We've got two in opposition.

647
00:27:35,759 --> 00:27:40,019
The two parks that are located on either side, they said

648
00:27:40,019 --> 00:27:42,400
that it would be detrimental to

649
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:43,880
their business.

650
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:48,920
Those two parks, however, equate to 28% of the land area

651
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,359
within the 200 feet of the subject

652
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,039
site and triggered the requirement for a super majority

653
00:27:56,039 --> 00:27:58,240
vote of the council in order to be

654
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,480
approved.

655
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,799
Three signs were also posted on this site.

656
00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:10,799
And I gave you all of the responses that we got for this.

657
00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:11,799
Commissioner Smith.

658
00:28:11,799 --> 00:28:12,799
Thank you, Chair.

659
00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:16,410
Just to be clear, they're in opposition because it's

660
00:28:16,410 --> 00:28:17,599
competition.

661
00:28:17,599 --> 00:28:19,400
That's what they stated on all of the notices.

662
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:20,400
Yeah, they did.

663
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:21,400
They did.

664
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:22,400
I hope everyone understood that.

665
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:23,400
I'm going to say that to the public.

666
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,519
I'm going to say to the public session that you're only

667
00:28:25,519 --> 00:28:27,200
against it because it's competition

668
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,160
and you don't want competition next to you.

669
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:30,160
Okay.

670
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,160
Understood.

671
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:32,160
Thank you.

672
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,160
Okay.

673
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,390
Staff recommends approval of this request subject to the

674
00:28:36,390 --> 00:28:37,960
following conditions.

675
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,200
These conditions will bring the site into compliance with

676
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,799
the goals and objectives of

677
00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:44,359
the Denton Plan 2030.

678
00:28:44,359 --> 00:28:47,119
The proposed conditions for approval are an overlay be

679
00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:48,759
placed on the site with the following

680
00:28:48,759 --> 00:28:49,759
requirements.

681
00:28:49,759 --> 00:28:52,980
The maximum permitted density on the site shall be no more

682
00:28:52,980 --> 00:28:54,480
than four dwelling units

683
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,519
per gross acre and permitted land uses on the site.

684
00:28:58,519 --> 00:29:01,849
Our modular and manufactured homes as shown on the concept

685
00:29:01,849 --> 00:29:03,440
plan and six single family

686
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:08,809
detached housing lots, minimum one acre lots located along

687
00:29:08,809 --> 00:29:10,440
South Trinity.

688
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,829
I originally had in here the number of stands that would be

689
00:29:13,829 --> 00:29:15,400
required and all that.

690
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,589
However, I realized that for the zoning site that doesn't

691
00:29:18,589 --> 00:29:20,119
include the whole site.

692
00:29:20,119 --> 00:29:24,829
So that many stands on this part of the site would really

693
00:29:24,829 --> 00:29:26,119
be a crunch.

694
00:29:26,119 --> 00:29:30,680
It is on the requirements for the SUP though.

695
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:31,680
Okay.

696
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,440
Now we're going to move on to--

697
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,480
Cindy, can I stop you real fast?

698
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,809
On zoning requests, typically we see a slide that there's

699
00:29:37,809 --> 00:29:39,039
two conditions that we look

700
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:41,789
at, future land use map and then capacity for

701
00:29:41,789 --> 00:29:42,240
infrastructure.

702
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,359
I didn't see that slide.

703
00:29:44,359 --> 00:29:49,950
Okay, there is the future land use map and there's the

704
00:29:49,950 --> 00:29:51,160
zoning.

705
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:52,160
Perfect.

706
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,720
So on the future land use map, looks like individuals

707
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,759
before us on a previous P&Z thought

708
00:29:59,759 --> 00:30:02,599
that this area should be rural and low residential and

709
00:30:02,599 --> 00:30:05,039
everything that goes along with that impact

710
00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:08,200
fees and stuff we've been talking about in terms of growth

711
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,000
projections have that as rural

712
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,000
and low.

713
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,430
So it seems with the two analysis, it does not meet this

714
00:30:14,430 --> 00:30:14,920
one.

715
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:15,920
This is-- and NR6--

716
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,390
NR6 does not meet this one unless you apply those

717
00:30:19,390 --> 00:30:22,920
conditions which restrict the density.

718
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,119
To four.

719
00:30:24,119 --> 00:30:27,599
To four which would be consistent with the low density.

720
00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:29,480
NR4 is considered low density.

721
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:30,480
Yes, it is.

722
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:31,480
Okay, perfect.

723
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:32,480
Thanks.

724
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:33,480
Commissioner Smith.

725
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,470
And right now, the concept plan that I saw in there has 500

726
00:30:37,470 --> 00:30:39,480
something units, correct?

727
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:44,509
There's 503 units total but that includes the six single

728
00:30:44,509 --> 00:30:45,440
family.

729
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,039
If you remove the six single family, then there's 497.

730
00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:51,039
It's made of tomato.

731
00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:52,759
So 500 units.

732
00:30:52,759 --> 00:30:55,519
We're going to round up.

733
00:30:55,519 --> 00:31:02,119
118 acres, NR6, I mean they're not building at an NR4 level

734
00:31:02,119 --> 00:31:02,519
.

735
00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:06,259
So if we suggested it, came back and suggested it as a

736
00:31:06,259 --> 00:31:09,079
commission, whatever we are, we can

737
00:31:09,079 --> 00:31:11,890
make it and suggest it as a commission, NR4 instead to them

738
00:31:11,890 --> 00:31:12,119
.

739
00:31:12,119 --> 00:31:14,869
We can't do that because it's a manufacturer and everything

740
00:31:14,869 --> 00:31:15,119
else.

741
00:31:15,119 --> 00:31:16,119
Well, if you suggest NR4--

742
00:31:16,119 --> 00:31:18,119
And we're going to be suggesting NR4, I guess we're going

743
00:31:18,119 --> 00:31:19,039
to be limiting, right?

744
00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:21,559
Because we can't suggest NR4 because the NR4 doesn't allow

745
00:31:21,559 --> 00:31:22,920
for the SEP for manufacturing

746
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:23,920
homes.

747
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:24,920
Right.

748
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,970
And that is why we've got the maximum permitted density on

749
00:31:26,970 --> 00:31:28,079
the site shall be no more than

750
00:31:28,079 --> 00:31:29,559
Fort Dwell and Uniper for a acre.

751
00:31:29,559 --> 00:31:31,319
That's-- I was looking at something else we said earlier.

752
00:31:31,319 --> 00:31:32,319
You're so smart, Cindy.

753
00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:33,319
I'm an idiot.

754
00:31:33,319 --> 00:31:34,319
I just have been practicing.

755
00:31:34,319 --> 00:31:35,319
I'm going to go back to the other one.

756
00:31:35,319 --> 00:31:39,279
I'm just going to be practicing.

757
00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:44,519
And then we'll move on to the next request.

758
00:31:44,519 --> 00:31:50,019
This is the second public hearing, S170008, a request for a

759
00:31:50,019 --> 00:31:52,000
specific use permit for a

760
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,660
manufactured housing development and approximately 126.1

761
00:31:56,660 --> 00:31:57,759
acres of land.

762
00:31:57,759 --> 00:32:00,779
You'll notice that the red line is gone and this is for the

763
00:32:00,779 --> 00:32:01,680
entire site.

764
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,640
The subject site again is generally located north of East

765
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,119
McKinney Street and west of

766
00:32:06,119 --> 00:32:12,480
South Trinity Road which are located here and here.

767
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,559
Here's the proposed SUP concept plan again.

768
00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:19,039
I'm not going to go through all those slides again.

769
00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:23,000
I'll just remind you that it's 126.1 gross acres.

770
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,279
The ESA area, they've got 18.5 acres of ESA.

771
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:32,079
They're proposing to preserve 100% of the ESA on the site.

772
00:32:32,079 --> 00:32:36,359
Open space on this is 15.4 acres.

773
00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:40,759
Manufactured housing stands are 497 and then there are six

774
00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:43,000
one-acre single family lots.

775
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,369
Overall density of the site is four dwelling units per acre

776
00:32:47,369 --> 00:32:47,680
.

777
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,519
Okay.

778
00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:54,309
Now when we're looking at an SUP, we look at section 3564

779
00:32:54,309 --> 00:32:56,339
and we do a compatibility

780
00:32:56,339 --> 00:32:59,619
analysis between the surrounding property and the requested

781
00:32:59,619 --> 00:33:01,119
use including the specific

782
00:33:01,119 --> 00:33:04,170
use will not impede the normal and orderly development of

783
00:33:04,170 --> 00:33:06,240
the surrounding vacant property,

784
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,390
parking, generation of traffic and access, nuisance

785
00:33:10,390 --> 00:33:13,599
prevention, landscaping and screening

786
00:33:13,599 --> 00:33:19,240
and architectural compatibility.

787
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:24,089
This analysis is all in your backup so I'm not going to

788
00:33:24,089 --> 00:33:26,319
read it word for word.

789
00:33:26,319 --> 00:33:29,490
With the proposed density of four dwelling units per acre,

790
00:33:29,490 --> 00:33:31,119
this development has a lower

791
00:33:31,119 --> 00:33:35,690
density than the mobile home parks to the east and west as

792
00:33:35,690 --> 00:33:37,319
I noted earlier.

793
00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:40,630
The applicant has included six acres located on the west

794
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:42,480
side of South Trinity which is

795
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:47,119
to be developed with a one-acre single family home sites.

796
00:33:47,119 --> 00:33:51,259
This will provide greater compatibility to the land to the

797
00:33:51,259 --> 00:33:51,880
east.

798
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,710
The applicant in response to concerns expressed by

799
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:57,079
residents in the area has a limited access

800
00:33:57,079 --> 00:34:00,869
to and from the site via Trinity Road except for a gated

801
00:34:00,869 --> 00:34:03,079
emergency access that is only

802
00:34:03,079 --> 00:34:08,599
accessible by emergency vehicles and the police.

803
00:34:08,599 --> 00:34:11,679
Water is available from McKinney Street and improvements to

804
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:13,400
the lift station will be located

805
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,739
to-- the lift station located on Trinity may be needed to

806
00:34:17,739 --> 00:34:20,440
facilitate this development.

807
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,559
The proposed development complies with element seven of the

808
00:34:23,559 --> 00:34:25,840
Denton Plan 2030, specifically

809
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:30,409
element seven, encourage-- establishes a goal to encourage

810
00:34:30,409 --> 00:34:32,960
housing type, cost and location

811
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,599
choices.

812
00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:37,360
In order to achieve this goal, the plan addresses

813
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,440
affordable housing with a policy to quote,

814
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,199
expand the availability of affordable housing choices for

815
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:43,679
community members most in need

816
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:47,099
of housing including those with low incomes and special

817
00:34:47,099 --> 00:34:47,739
needs.

818
00:34:47,739 --> 00:34:50,730
The proposed manufactured housing development will provide

819
00:34:50,730 --> 00:34:52,519
another affordable housing option

820
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:56,719
for Denton residents.

821
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:04,110
Notification, we sent out 17 notices within 200 feet of the

822
00:35:04,110 --> 00:35:06,960
site via certified mail and

823
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:11,679
20 notices within 500 feet of the site via regular mail.

824
00:35:11,679 --> 00:35:15,619
The responses to the legal notice, we received one in

825
00:35:15,619 --> 00:35:18,539
opposition which is this large property

826
00:35:18,539 --> 00:35:21,679
owner right here.

827
00:35:21,679 --> 00:35:27,719
And again, that equates to 28% of the land area within 200

828
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,880
feet of the site and will

829
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:34,800
trigger a super majority vote of the council to approve

830
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,599
this SUP as well.

831
00:35:36,599 --> 00:35:39,949
>> So any of the two businesses to the west and east were

832
00:35:39,949 --> 00:35:41,320
silent on the SUP?

833
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,820
>> I believe they thought maybe if they opposed the zoning,

834
00:35:45,820 --> 00:35:47,800
the SUP is a moot point.

835
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,760
I'm just conjecturing but that seems logical.

836
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,360
>> Commissioner Ellis.

837
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,559
>> Thank you, Chair.

838
00:35:54,559 --> 00:35:57,840
And on that point, did this property owner oppose the

839
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,039
zoning change?

840
00:35:59,039 --> 00:36:00,039
>> No.

841
00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:01,039
>> Okay.

842
00:36:01,039 --> 00:36:04,840
>> They probably got-- >> Commissioner Beck.

843
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:09,329
>> Well, they got inundated with notices to be honest with

844
00:36:09,329 --> 00:36:11,920
you because we did originally--

845
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,900
this was originally on your schedule in January, last

846
00:36:14,900 --> 00:36:16,840
January and we pulled it to do all of

847
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,440
this additional work.

848
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,670
And so they got notices in January which I included in the

849
00:36:22,670 --> 00:36:24,280
packet I gave out.

850
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,360
And we got notices this time as well.

851
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,079
So and they each got two notices for SUP and rezoning.

852
00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:35,050
So it could very well be that they just got too many

853
00:36:35,050 --> 00:36:37,719
notices and just decided to fill

854
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:38,719
out one.

855
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:39,719
>> Commissioner Beck.

856
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:40,719
>> Thank you, Chair.

857
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,559
I noticed in your information, you know, that they had a

858
00:36:43,559 --> 00:36:45,400
neighborhood meeting nearly a year

859
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:46,400
ago.

860
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:47,400
>> Yes.

861
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:48,400
>> November 11, 2017.

862
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,340
It was recommended that they hold another one which I think

863
00:36:51,340 --> 00:36:52,639
is a good idea but as yet,

864
00:36:52,639 --> 00:36:54,440
we haven't set anything up.

865
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,960
>> Well, actually, it was Monday night and I gave you a syn

866
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,480
opsis of the meeting tonight.

867
00:36:58,480 --> 00:36:59,480
>> Oh, okay.

868
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:00,480
That's what this is.

869
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:01,480
>> Okay.

870
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:02,480
So they have had a second meeting.

871
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:03,480
>> Yes, they did.

872
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:04,480
>> And we still have this opposition.

873
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:05,480
>> Yes.

874
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:06,480
>> Okay.

875
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:07,480
Got you.

876
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:08,480
Thanks.

877
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:09,480
>> Commissioner Sanchez.

878
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,079
>> You mentioned this affordable housing.

879
00:37:11,079 --> 00:37:13,840
Had they talked to you about what kind of prices those

880
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,480
mobile homes are going to be?

881
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,480
We're looking at HOA, I assume, right?

882
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:18,480
>> Well, yeah.

883
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:19,480
>> I think it's going to be an HOA.

884
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,210
>> There will be an HOA and I know during the public

885
00:37:21,210 --> 00:37:22,679
hearing, the applicant will be able

886
00:37:22,679 --> 00:37:26,250
to address those questions about price points and the HOA

887
00:37:26,250 --> 00:37:26,840
dues.

888
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:27,840
>> Okay.

889
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:28,840
I didn't know if that discussed that with you.

890
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:29,840
>> Yeah.

891
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:30,840
>> Okay.

892
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:31,840
>> I don't know.

893
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:32,840
>> I don't know.

894
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:33,840
>> Okay.

895
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:34,840
>> I'm sorry.

896
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:35,840
>> Okay.

897
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,590
>> Staff recommends approval of this request subject to the

898
00:37:38,590 --> 00:37:39,679
conditions in Exhibit 7.

899
00:37:39,679 --> 00:37:43,280
Now, I've got them right here, but I also -- I can read

900
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,079
them all if you'd like.

901
00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:47,400
>> I don't know if that's necessary.

902
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:48,400
>> Okay.

903
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:49,400
Okay.

904
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:50,400
Because I'm prepared to read them all if you'd like.

905
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:51,400
>> No, I think we're okay.

906
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:52,400
>> You know --

907
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:53,400
>> Just kidding.

908
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,699
Cindy, I don't know if I missed this or if you could point

909
00:37:56,699 --> 00:37:57,639
it out to me.

910
00:37:57,639 --> 00:38:00,099
Do you have the total number of acres that will be

911
00:38:00,099 --> 00:38:01,760
developed when you minus out the parks

912
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,699
and the ESA or do you have the average size lot that's

913
00:38:05,699 --> 00:38:07,760
being used or leveraged?

914
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:13,909
>> Well, there -- if you -- on the exhibit that is in your

915
00:38:13,909 --> 00:38:17,000
packet, it actually has all

916
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:23,519
of that broken down.

917
00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:24,519
>> On their site plan?

918
00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:25,519
>> Mm-hmm.

919
00:38:25,519 --> 00:38:27,960
>> Yeah, in the corner down here?

920
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:28,960
>> Yep.

921
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:29,960
Thank you.

922
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:39,199
>> Well, that concludes my presentation.

923
00:38:39,199 --> 00:38:44,280
>> Any other questions for Cindy?

924
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:45,280
Great job.

925
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:46,280
Did a lot of hard work.

926
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:47,280
>> Thank you.

927
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:52,000
>> Cindy, you have the next one.

928
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,000
>> I do.

929
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,000
Let me go get my file.

930
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,000
>> Okay.

931
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,000
Okay.

932
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:26,000
S180002 is a request by Budget Self Storage for a specific

933
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:26,000
use permit to allow quick vehicle servicing in suite 110

934
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:39,000
and 111 of Budget Self Storage.

935
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,000
The property is located at 2820 Virginia Circle.

936
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,000
Virginia Circle actually runs parallel to University.

937
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,329
Here's Virginia Circle and here's University and here's the

938
00:39:50,329 --> 00:39:51,000
loop.

939
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:55,849
This is actually an ALTA survey showing you everything that

940
00:39:55,849 --> 00:39:57,000
's on the site.

941
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,010
And the location of the two vehicle repair facilities are

942
00:40:01,010 --> 00:40:04,000
located in this corner here.

943
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:10,989
And then the parking, they've got 12 parking spaces over

944
00:40:10,989 --> 00:40:12,000
here.

945
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,849
The site was developed as a storage facility back in the 80

946
00:40:16,849 --> 00:40:17,000
s.

947
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:23,119
And then this, according to DCAD, was constructed sometime

948
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:25,000
in the 90s.

949
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:29,000
I couldn't find any records on it.

950
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,000
A history of the site.

951
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,750
In 1985, the site was platted and the self-serve storage

952
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:38,000
facility was constructed.

953
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:43,190
In 2002, it was rezoned from C to NRMU in the citywide rez

954
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:44,000
oning.

955
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:49,210
In 2010, CO, a certificate of occupancy, was approved for

956
00:40:49,210 --> 00:40:55,000
retail sales of automotive electronics in suite 110.

957
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,849
And also in 2010, a CO was denied for auto repair in suite

958
00:40:59,849 --> 00:41:01,000
111.

959
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:05,000
The CO, the applicant then revised the CO to read office

960
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:11,000
and the CO was approved for "office only" in suite 111.

961
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,940
Now, this is actually the result of a code enforcement

962
00:41:15,940 --> 00:41:17,000
action.

963
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,849
Last year, we received a complaint about an auto repair

964
00:41:21,849 --> 00:41:25,000
facility operating without a CO.

965
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,130
That's when we, after a site visit and investigation, it

966
00:41:29,130 --> 00:41:33,000
was discovered that parking issues existed on the site

967
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:38,280
and the two businesses were actually in violation of their

968
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:39,000
COs.

969
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,000
The applicant has three options to rectify the situation.

970
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,699
One was, what was originally proposed to him was to rezone

971
00:41:47,699 --> 00:41:53,000
the entire site to CMG to rectify the situation.

972
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,480
However, staff conferred with legal on this and the

973
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,400
decision was that an SUP would be the more conservative way

974
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:02,000
to go.

975
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:07,280
If we rezone the site to CMG, we would create additional

976
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:12,159
nonconformities because a self-storage facility requires an

977
00:42:12,159 --> 00:42:13,000
SUP in the CMG.

978
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:17,219
And it's already a nonconforming special exception site

979
00:42:17,219 --> 00:42:23,949
right now and that would just flip it over into noncon

980
00:42:23,949 --> 00:42:27,000
forming if we did that.

981
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:32,199
Here are some photos that were taken back last February and

982
00:42:32,199 --> 00:42:35,469
you can see the concerns staff has regarding parking on the

983
00:42:35,469 --> 00:42:36,000
site.

984
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:40,739
These are the two businesses and at the time they had 15

985
00:42:40,739 --> 00:42:44,000
parallel parking spaces along here.

986
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,679
In the course of reviewing this application, I determined

987
00:42:47,679 --> 00:42:50,000
that those 15 spaces were substandard,

988
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,329
didn't meet the requirements of our parking, parallel

989
00:42:54,329 --> 00:42:56,000
parking dimensions,

990
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,760
and the applicant did go ahead and restripe them to meet

991
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,000
those requirements.

992
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,000
So now there are 12 spaces in front.

993
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:08,400
This, what you see here, they are also doing overflow

994
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:13,000
parking on the vacant lot adjacent to them.

995
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,000
So as you can see, parking is a real issue on this site.

996
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,000
Commissioner Smith.

997
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,000
Thank you, Chair.

998
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,000
Just a clarification of one of the documents we have here.

999
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:25,280
The Haney's Auto, I mean everything is all budget self-st

1000
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:26,000
orage, budget self-storage.

1001
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,780
Is Haney's Auto, is it one of the two businesses or both

1002
00:43:29,780 --> 00:43:31,000
businesses?

1003
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,000
No, we've got two businesses, Haney's Auto and Melton's.

1004
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,000
And they rent out from budget?

1005
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,000
That's right, they're tenants.

1006
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,000
And the property owner is the applicant, which is budget

1007
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,000
self-storage.

1008
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,000
Okay, all right.

1009
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,969
So the property owner is basically representing two of his

1010
00:43:45,969 --> 00:43:48,000
tenants in this scenario.

1011
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,000
That's correct.

1012
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:54,329
However, the representative of the property owner let me

1013
00:43:54,329 --> 00:43:57,000
know that he couldn't be here tonight.

1014
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,000
And he said that one of the tenants was going to be here,

1015
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:03,000
but I'm not sure which one, to be honest with you.

1016
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:10,000
I was going to go looking for him when we were done here.

1017
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:11,000
Commissioner Sanchez.

1018
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:15,030
When you say the overflow parking is, this is a vacant lot,

1019
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:18,000
it doesn't belong to the owner, right?

1020
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:19,000
No, it doesn't.

1021
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,530
It's just, okay, it has nothing to do with existing

1022
00:44:20,530 --> 00:44:21,000
businesses.

1023
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:25,239
Right, if you look on the aerial, you can see it on the

1024
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,000
aerial too.

1025
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,000
Mm-hmm, okay.

1026
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,000
Commissioner Burnetta.

1027
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,000
So it's currently still used for storage facility, correct?

1028
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,000
Yes, yes.

1029
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,000
This part of it is office warehouse, this one building.

1030
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:46,260
And if the rest of these, all of the rest of these are self

1031
00:44:46,260 --> 00:44:48,000
-service storage.

1032
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,809
And the current parking requirements, the 12 parking spaces

1033
00:44:51,809 --> 00:44:54,929
, those are meant to accommodate people who would be coming

1034
00:44:54,929 --> 00:44:56,000
in and out of the storage?

1035
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:00,000
They're meant to accommodate this building right here.

1036
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,000
Okay.

1037
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,219
At the time this was developed, we didn't really have

1038
00:45:04,219 --> 00:45:07,000
parking requirements for self-storage.

1039
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,000
Okay.

1040
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,000
Thank you.

1041
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:13,000
There is parking right here for the office.

1042
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,000
Yeah, Mr. Linnatter, attorney.

1043
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:20,199
I just wanted to clarify, the vacant lot to the west, that

1044
00:45:20,199 --> 00:45:24,000
's not included, correct, in this SGP request?

1045
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,000
I just want to make sure I'm just clarifying.

1046
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:32,000
The vacant lot where there's overflow parking, that's not

1047
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,000
included in this request?

1048
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,000
Commissioner Ellis.

1049
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,000
Thank you, chair.

1050
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,099
I wouldn't think that's probably even owned by the same

1051
00:45:38,099 --> 00:45:39,000
person, correct?

1052
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,000
Correct.

1053
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,000
Right, yeah.

1054
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,000
And there's over 20 cars parked on that piece of property.

1055
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,940
Well, I know that we've talked to the owner of the adjacent

1056
00:45:47,940 --> 00:45:51,280
property through the pre-development meeting process, so

1057
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:56,000
they are looking to develop the site.

1058
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,000
You saw the floor.

1059
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,820
Yeah, they have a for sale sign on that lot that is kind of

1060
00:45:59,820 --> 00:46:03,000
being shadowed over by the 20 some cars that are on it.

1061
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,000
But there is a for sale sign.

1062
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,000
Commissioner Beck.

1063
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,000
There was the one notification sign out front.

1064
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,760
Should there have been one to notify the residents that sit

1065
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,000
behind them a little bit?

1066
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,000
I know there's a pretty good buffer there, but...

1067
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,000
We put them along the right of way.

1068
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,000
The signs are required to be put along the right of way.

1069
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,000
Okay, so...

1070
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,000
And they've only got frontage along that one street.

1071
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,469
Okay, so it's possible that the residences are within 200

1072
00:46:27,469 --> 00:46:28,000
feet.

1073
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,679
Within 200 and 500 feet, the residents behind them got

1074
00:46:31,679 --> 00:46:34,000
either a certified notice or a postcard.

1075
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,000
Okay.

1076
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,000
Commissioner Sanchez.

1077
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:43,000
As I was reading through this, you don't recommend that...

1078
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,090
your recommendation is not to accept it, but you also... I

1079
00:46:46,090 --> 00:46:50,480
think you also state that if we do recommend it, that there

1080
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:55,199
are certain things they have to do in order for them to

1081
00:46:55,199 --> 00:46:57,000
continue running a business.

1082
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,000
Running a business there.

1083
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,000
Exactly.

1084
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,000
Okay.

1085
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,000
Exactly.

1086
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,159
Staff felt that we really couldn't recommend approval of

1087
00:47:04,159 --> 00:47:07,000
something we'd already recommended denial of.

1088
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:11,440
We initially recommended denial of the CO in 2010 for

1089
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,619
automotive repair based on the fact that it required an SUP

1090
00:47:15,619 --> 00:47:16,000
.

1091
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,130
So now we have the SUP, but it's very clear that there are

1092
00:47:19,130 --> 00:47:21,000
parking issues on the site.

1093
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,000
So we felt we still could not recommend approval of it.

1094
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:28,210
The applicant has been extremely cooperative with staff and

1095
00:47:28,210 --> 00:47:31,000
has done everything staff has asked.

1096
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,809
And so we've done what we've done is what we call a soft

1097
00:47:34,809 --> 00:47:39,000
denial, saying, well, we can't really approve it.

1098
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,000
You guys have the ability to approve it.

1099
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:46,469
If you do, these are the standards that should be placed on

1100
00:47:46,469 --> 00:47:47,000
it.

1101
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,000
Commissioner Beck.

1102
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,000
Do you want to follow up?

1103
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,000
Okay.

1104
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,400
So say if we did approve it, is there anything that we

1105
00:47:55,400 --> 00:48:00,000
could give like a say a SUP with conditions if we don't

1106
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,780
meet our conditions within or if we find violations, we'll

1107
00:48:03,780 --> 00:48:06,000
pull that SUP?

1108
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,000
Out of curiosity.

1109
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,000
I don't know.

1110
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,000
I have to defer to Jerry on that.

1111
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,940
I guess my thinking is he seems to -- he said I've got

1112
00:48:13,940 --> 00:48:16,000
other locations to park my cars.

1113
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,000
I'll only put two vehicles in here and blah, blah, blah.

1114
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:23,400
So my question is if he did all that that he says he's

1115
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:28,460
going to do and we monitor him and find out, hey, you didn

1116
00:48:28,460 --> 00:48:33,000
't -- SUP is being pulled just out of curiosity.

1117
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,989
Well, I expect that they will be monitored after we go

1118
00:48:35,989 --> 00:48:39,250
through this process to make sure if it's approved to make

1119
00:48:39,250 --> 00:48:42,000
sure that everything is being complied with.

1120
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,000
Okay.

1121
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:45,000
Jerry's looking that up.

1122
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,000
Commissioner Beck, do you want to --

1123
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,349
Just as some of you know, I went out there and looked at it

1124
00:48:50,349 --> 00:48:51,000
today.

1125
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,780
In my opinion, I think the applicant is going to be hard

1126
00:48:53,780 --> 00:48:56,000
pressed to meet parking requirements.

1127
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,750
The other facility talked about only handled a couple of

1128
00:48:58,750 --> 00:48:59,000
cars.

1129
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:03,230
There were at least two dozen cars on that adjacent lot at

1130
00:49:03,230 --> 00:49:04,000
least.

1131
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,219
And then you saw there was a lot of traffic right in front

1132
00:49:07,219 --> 00:49:08,000
of it too.

1133
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,000
So he's going to be hard pressed to meet the parking need.

1134
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:15,170
And I hate the prospect of putting somebody out of business

1135
00:49:15,170 --> 00:49:20,150
, but the fact that he applied for a CO under nebulous, de

1136
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:24,000
vious circumstances is troubling too.

1137
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,940
So just the parking situation is going to be difficult for

1138
00:49:27,940 --> 00:49:29,000
him to meet.

1139
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:35,000
That's why I'm going to have a hard time approving it.

1140
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:36,000
And I agree with you.

1141
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,000
I kind of went with that.

1142
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,000
I drove by there and I saw that.

1143
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,179
But it's like you say, you know, it's hard to put somebody

1144
00:49:43,179 --> 00:49:44,000
out of business.

1145
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,000
If he's willing, give him a second chance.

1146
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,000
That's what I'm thinking.

1147
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:51,050
If he doesn't, that's why I was just curious if it could be

1148
00:49:51,050 --> 00:49:53,000
pulled if he did comply.

1149
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,000
Sure.

1150
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,000
No, I understand.

1151
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,000
But what I'm saying is I don't see how he can.

1152
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,000
I honestly don't see how he can.

1153
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,349
Essentially what they'd have to do is they'd have to make

1154
00:50:00,349 --> 00:50:03,000
other arrangements for overnight parking of any vehicles.

1155
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,000
Right.

1156
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:10,000
They can pull some of them inside, but that's about that.

1157
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,860
That would only, I guess, maybe I don't know, three or four

1158
00:50:12,860 --> 00:50:14,000
vehicles in there.

1159
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,119
And they've got significantly more vehicles on the site, so

1160
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:20,000
they would have to come up with other arrangements.

1161
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,559
I worked with the applicant trying to find somewhere else

1162
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:24,000
to put parking on this site.

1163
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,000
And it's so tight, there's nowhere to put parking.

1164
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,000
Krister Smith.

1165
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,000
Thank you, Chair.

1166
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:33,090
In a traditional sense, if there was to be an auto repair

1167
00:50:33,090 --> 00:50:37,199
shop elsewhere for the size of the units they have, do you

1168
00:50:37,199 --> 00:50:39,000
know how much parking would be normally required?

1169
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:44,059
Well, under the standards we used to park by, we would

1170
00:50:44,059 --> 00:50:48,000
require one for 300 square feet.

1171
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:54,000
And each of those units are 300 square foot units?

1172
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,000
They're really small.

1173
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,000
Yeah, they're tiny.

1174
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,000
They're really small.

1175
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,210
But today we're doing auto, see, we don't have a parking

1176
00:51:00,210 --> 00:51:04,000
requirement standard specifically for automotive repair.

1177
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,750
So the most recent standard that we use is the standard

1178
00:51:06,750 --> 00:51:11,000
that they were parked by, which is office warehouse.

1179
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,230
And it would be the same parking requirements that they

1180
00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:15,000
have now.

1181
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,480
So it really, they have 15 space, they really don't have 15

1182
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:22,000
, they say on the letter they have 15, they have 12 now.

1183
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,000
They have, there are 12 spaces shared with the applicant.

1184
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,000
But with everything else.

1185
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:33,519
And that 12 cannot include the square footage on the rest

1186
00:51:33,519 --> 00:51:38,019
of the area, because the rest of the area is for self

1187
00:51:38,019 --> 00:51:39,000
storage.

1188
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,000
It's not part of the SUP that's being requested.

1189
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,929
And so it can only be, parking spaces that are allowed,

1190
00:51:44,929 --> 00:51:47,980
that they need, I guess, technically, are only the ones

1191
00:51:47,980 --> 00:51:50,000
that are, that need are allowed.

1192
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,230
Well, they have, you know, we have the minimum maximum

1193
00:51:53,230 --> 00:51:55,000
requirement for parking.

1194
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:59,550
And so the larger suite, which is 110 on the end, has four

1195
00:51:59,550 --> 00:52:02,000
parking spaces of that 15.

1196
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:09,000
And then the 111 has three.

1197
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,000
Okay.

1198
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:17,000
Which is why I, in the recommendation, they can use two.

1199
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,000
The max is one per 300 square feet?

1200
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,000
No, one per, yeah, one per 300.

1201
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:27,000
If we parked it per retail, personal services, and that

1202
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:27,000
business.

1203
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,000
But that'd be the max, would be one per 300.

1204
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:30,000
Yeah.

1205
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,760
So right now, just by looking at the drawing that they gave

1206
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:40,000
us, 43 feet by 24 feet is about 1,000 square feet or so.

1207
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,000
So that's like three spaces, is their max.

1208
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:44,000
That's right.

1209
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,000
If you park it per office, the office is one space.

1210
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,000
And then the other one, the larger one, three spaces.

1211
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:52,000
So that would be.

1212
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,000
So they're really out of their parking.

1213
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,000
Yeah.

1214
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,750
Okay, thank you for the, just wanted to make sure the

1215
00:52:57,750 --> 00:53:00,000
gravity of the parking situation was realized.

1216
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,000
Yeah.

1217
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:02,000
Yeah.

1218
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,940
And when they actually, you know, complied with the request

1219
00:53:05,940 --> 00:53:08,610
to restripe the parking spaces, so they comply with our

1220
00:53:08,610 --> 00:53:11,000
standards, they lost three spaces, too.

1221
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:16,170
So, but I think if they just, you know, come up with other

1222
00:53:16,170 --> 00:53:21,480
means for handling the overflow parking, the offsite like

1223
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:25,889
one of them has, I think that would be an acceptable

1224
00:53:25,889 --> 00:53:27,000
solution.

1225
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:31,150
However, one of our conditions is that there's no overnight

1226
00:53:31,150 --> 00:53:35,159
parking outside parking vehicles, and that they can only

1227
00:53:35,159 --> 00:53:39,110
use during the day two of their parking spaces for vehicles

1228
00:53:39,110 --> 00:53:44,000
that are waiting to be repaired or waiting to be picked up.

1229
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:48,000
So we need we need a parking space for the employee.

1230
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:49,829
So I think we have an answer for Commissioner Sanchez, but

1231
00:53:49,829 --> 00:53:52,000
real fast, I know Commissioner Pernetta has been waiting.

1232
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,000
So let's go Commissioner Pernetta, then we'll go legal.

1233
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,829
Yeah, you mentioned that the vacant lot where they're

1234
00:53:56,829 --> 00:54:00,019
currently using their overflow parking had expressed that

1235
00:54:00,019 --> 00:54:03,000
they would be planning on developing that property.

1236
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:07,000
Did they give any indication of what that use would be?

1237
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,000
They did, but I'm sorry, I don't recall.

1238
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,559
It's been a while since I've seen them, so my thinking is

1239
00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:16,150
that whoever we met with, they decided it wasn't feasible

1240
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:17,000
for them.

1241
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,000
Okay.

1242
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:22,719
So we see if we have one of those pre-development meetings,

1243
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:27,000
then we see turnaround usually within six months.

1244
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:31,000
It's rare if we see it a year or two after.

1245
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,000
It happens, but it's rare.

1246
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,000
Thank you.

1247
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,000
Jerry, do you have an answer about revocation of SUP?

1248
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,000
I wasn't looking up revocation.

1249
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:44,000
I was looking up the conditions that were being put on it.

1250
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:49,000
The DDC does allow for conditions to be imposed.

1251
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:53,000
It's not an exclusive or exhaustive list.

1252
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:59,000
Adding parking spaces might be within bounds of this,

1253
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,000
although it's not explicitly mentioned.

1254
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:05,230
It talks about site development conditions that could be

1255
00:55:05,230 --> 00:55:07,000
put in there as well.

1256
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:12,170
I guess my bigger concern on this, and maybe this is one

1257
00:55:12,170 --> 00:55:17,000
for the commission to give some thought to, if you

1258
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:22,000
recommend approval of the SUP with conditions,

1259
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:27,159
but the council declines to impose one or more of your

1260
00:55:27,159 --> 00:55:32,119
recommended conditions, it's still a recommendation to

1261
00:55:32,119 --> 00:55:33,000
approve.

1262
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:40,369
And so I think the typical imposition of conditions would

1263
00:55:40,369 --> 00:55:46,000
be done more or less at the council level.

1264
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,389
I don't know that it would be binding or trigger a super

1265
00:55:49,389 --> 00:55:52,929
majority if council decided to go another way on the imp

1266
00:55:52,929 --> 00:55:57,000
osition of those conditions, in other words.

1267
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,000
I think the conditions would be for the council to decide.

1268
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,000
Thank you for that clarification.

1269
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,679
Mr. Sanchez was asking, I think, if we put conditions on it

1270
00:56:05,679 --> 00:56:08,539
and they're not met, the city does follow up with

1271
00:56:08,539 --> 00:56:10,000
conditions being met.

1272
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,969
Is that for a period of time, or is that indefinite to the

1273
00:56:12,969 --> 00:56:15,000
property, or how does that work?

1274
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:19,000
Well, to be honest with you, I'm not sure.

1275
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:23,000
I can check with and find out.

1276
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,789
The conditions would run with that as long as that use is

1277
00:56:26,789 --> 00:56:28,000
in existence.

1278
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:32,550
Well, I thought you meant when we'd be checking up on if

1279
00:56:32,550 --> 00:56:35,000
they're still complying.

1280
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,150
Partly that, and I don't want to speak for Mr. Sanchez, but

1281
00:56:37,150 --> 00:56:39,329
it seemed like he was expressing a concern that if they

1282
00:56:39,329 --> 00:56:43,210
were out of compliance, that we would have power to pull

1283
00:56:43,210 --> 00:56:46,000
their ability to operate.

1284
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,190
Well, probably the first step in that would be to be given

1285
00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:50,000
a warning.

1286
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:53,480
And they would be told that they have X number of days to

1287
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:57,000
come into compliance with the SUP requirements.

1288
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:02,420
And if they still don't within that time frame, then it's

1289
00:57:02,420 --> 00:57:07,000
possible we'll start citing them every day.

1290
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,000
And it could eventually end up in court.

1291
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:14,090
And that's not really the revocation provisions of the SUP

1292
00:57:14,090 --> 00:57:15,000
chapter.

1293
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:19,059
It's really the general provisions in SUP chapter one where

1294
00:57:19,059 --> 00:57:23,030
there's a requirement to comply with the DDC generally and

1295
00:57:23,030 --> 00:57:27,000
with the conditions of permits imposed under the DDC.

1296
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:32,000
So that would be the source of any revocation.

1297
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,940
You'd have to follow the strictures of that in order to

1298
00:57:34,940 --> 00:57:36,000
make it happen.

1299
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,940
But yeah, there's a possibility of it, but the devil's in

1300
00:57:39,940 --> 00:57:41,000
the details.

1301
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:42,000
Chris Rebeck.

1302
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:43,000
Thank you, Chair.

1303
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,019
Let me change direction a little bit here and maybe for my

1304
00:57:46,019 --> 00:57:47,000
edification.

1305
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,000
I don't mean to put staff between the rock and hard spot.

1306
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,940
But obviously, when we issue a CEO, we don't go out and

1307
00:57:53,940 --> 00:57:55,000
confirm it.

1308
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:56,000
Actually, we do.

1309
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:57,000
We do now.

1310
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,000
Yes, we did then.

1311
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,280
So code enforcement went out and inspected the site to make

1312
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,000
sure the parking was there.

1313
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:06,000
Everything was there.

1314
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:11,170
And if that it was an office and not a every everything was

1315
00:58:11,170 --> 00:58:12,000
checked.

1316
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:13,000
The coat.

1317
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,000
So that's how we did it then.

1318
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,000
I don't know how they do it now.

1319
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,000
I'm pretty sure they checked.

1320
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,000
They went out and inspected it.

1321
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,090
They hadn't set up their car repair for the purpose of that

1322
00:58:24,090 --> 00:58:25,000
inspection.

1323
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,750
Probably they knew they were you know, they have to have to

1324
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:29,000
schedule these inspections.

1325
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:30,000
So they knew when they were coming.

1326
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:31,000
Good.

1327
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:32,000
You guys are on.

1328
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:37,000
Thanks.

1329
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:38,000
I know you keep moving on.

1330
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,000
Thank you, Chair.

1331
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:41,940
It's a code enforcement night where that we're getting

1332
00:58:41,940 --> 00:58:43,000
ready to set up with that.

1333
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:52,000
I mean, I guess I'll just say that.

1334
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:53,000
Okay.

1335
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,000
Analysis.

1336
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:58,679
The subject site is to office warehouse suites, suite 110

1337
00:58:58,679 --> 00:59:01,000
and suite 111, which are utilized

1338
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,000
for quick vehicle service.

1339
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,190
The suites are part of a larger self-service storage

1340
00:59:06,190 --> 00:59:09,000
facility, which includes one building

1341
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:12,000
comprised of 10 office warehouse suites.

1342
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:17,570
The site takes access from Virginia Circle, which is

1343
00:59:17,570 --> 00:59:21,000
classified as a local street.

1344
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,559
Since the site was developed in 1985, it does not meet the

1345
00:59:24,559 --> 00:59:27,000
standards for parking, land use,

1346
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:36,389
or lot coverage and is considered to be a special exception

1347
00:59:36,389 --> 00:59:37,000
.

1348
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,739
With regards to the Denton Plan 2030, the site is

1349
00:59:40,739 --> 00:59:43,000
designated as community mixed use.

1350
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:46,420
While the area in general is appropriate for the quick

1351
00:59:46,420 --> 00:59:49,000
vehicle repair, the office warehouse

1352
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,940
building may not be optimal due to the limitations on

1353
00:59:52,940 --> 00:59:56,000
parking that we were just discussing.

1354
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,760
The parking requirements for these two uses are based on

1355
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,000
the uses that were applied for

1356
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,000
and not the uses in place.

1357
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:07,050
Now, since we've changed how we are parking the automotive

1358
01:00:07,050 --> 01:00:09,000
repair, they're actually,

1359
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:18,150
the parking is the same as what it was parked at in the

1360
01:00:18,150 --> 01:00:22,000
office warehouse.

1361
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:26,050
The existing land uses surrounding the site include vacant

1362
01:00:26,050 --> 01:00:28,000
or undeveloped land around

1363
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:29,000
here.

1364
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:34,000
To the south is a permanent open space area.

1365
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:38,000
It's open space for the Ashley Oaks.

1366
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:41,000
And then there's a vacant lot right here as well.

1367
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:49,000
To the north is University and it's all pretty much

1368
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:52,000
industrial and employment center type

1369
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:56,000
uses in here.

1370
01:00:56,000 --> 01:01:01,039
The two automotive businesses have been in place for

1371
01:01:01,039 --> 01:01:05,000
several years since 2010 and no

1372
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,079
new impacts to the infrastructure or the surrounding

1373
01:01:08,079 --> 01:01:10,000
properties are anticipated.

1374
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:14,550
In fact, we anticipate a lesser impact to surrounding

1375
01:01:14,550 --> 01:01:17,199
properties if this is approved

1376
01:01:17,199 --> 01:01:19,960
because of the requirements, the conditions of approval

1377
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:21,400
that staff is placing on it with

1378
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:26,760
regards to parking.

1379
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:34,380
We sent out 12 notices within 200 feet of the site and 53

1380
01:01:34,380 --> 01:01:37,460
notices via regular mail.

1381
01:01:37,460 --> 01:01:43,389
We did not receive any responses back and one sign was

1382
01:01:43,389 --> 01:01:45,920
posted on the site.

1383
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,000
Staff recommends denial of this request.

1384
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,760
However, should the Planning and Zoning Commission decide

1385
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:52,800
to approve this request, staff recommends

1386
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:54,420
the following conditions.

1387
01:01:54,420 --> 01:01:57,500
A new certificate of occupancy for the correct use must be

1388
01:01:57,500 --> 01:01:59,119
applied for and approved.

1389
01:01:59,119 --> 01:02:01,869
This specific use permit shall be limited to these two

1390
01:02:01,869 --> 01:02:02,960
particular business owners and

1391
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,159
these two particular suites.

1392
01:02:05,159 --> 01:02:10,480
So for example, if the owners sell the business to somebody

1393
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,119
else, they'll have to get a new

1394
01:02:13,119 --> 01:02:16,840
specific use permit for it or if the owners want to move

1395
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,079
the business to another suite,

1396
01:02:19,079 --> 01:02:25,239
they would also have to get another specific use permit.

1397
01:02:25,239 --> 01:02:28,000
The specific use permit will be limited to the use

1398
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:29,880
description and the floor plan that

1399
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:34,280
are in Exhibit 8 and Exhibit 9 in your backup.

1400
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:39,130
No overnight outdoor storage of automobiles is prohibited

1401
01:02:39,130 --> 01:02:41,519
and no more than two customer

1402
01:02:41,519 --> 01:02:44,739
vehicles per each business can be parked in the parking

1403
01:02:44,739 --> 01:02:46,599
spaces in front of the building

1404
01:02:46,599 --> 01:02:48,199
during business hours.

1405
01:02:48,199 --> 01:02:53,679
And that concludes my presentation.

1406
01:02:53,679 --> 01:02:54,679
Thank you, Cindy.

1407
01:02:54,679 --> 01:02:56,880
I don't see any questions this time.

1408
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,659
Considering the time it is, what we'll do is we'll take a

1409
01:02:59,659 --> 01:03:01,239
quick break for food, put

1410
01:03:01,239 --> 01:03:04,840
Julie on pause for a couple minutes and then we'll come

1411
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:06,980
back for Julie's presentation

1412
01:03:06,980 --> 01:03:08,119
and wrap up the work session.

1413
01:03:08,119 --> 01:03:16,679
It is 6.16, we'll pause for dinner.

1414
01:03:16,679 --> 01:03:21,679
It is 6.25, we'll continue the meeting with Julie

1415
01:03:21,679 --> 01:03:23,760
presenting her item.

1416
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:29,119
Hi, I'm Julie Wyatt, Senior Planner and I am presenting DCA

1417
01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:32,159
18.5 and this is for a tie

1418
01:03:32,159 --> 01:03:34,159
vote procedure.

1419
01:03:34,159 --> 01:03:36,739
The request is to hold a public hearing and consider making

1420
01:03:36,739 --> 01:03:38,079
a recommendation to City Council

1421
01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:41,309
regarding a proposed revision to the Denton Development

1422
01:03:41,309 --> 01:03:44,599
Code specifically to address motions

1423
01:03:44,599 --> 01:03:46,719
that result in a tie vote.

1424
01:03:46,719 --> 01:03:50,539
So as some of you may remember, we had a case earlier this

1425
01:03:50,539 --> 01:03:52,519
year that did result in a tie

1426
01:03:52,519 --> 01:03:55,199
vote of 3 to 3.

1427
01:03:55,199 --> 01:03:59,150
In those instances, the City Council rules of procedure are

1428
01:03:59,150 --> 01:04:00,880
applied and it applies to

1429
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,780
the Planning and Zoning Commission for tie votes and that

1430
01:04:03,780 --> 01:04:05,280
matters voted on by the City

1431
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,309
Council which ended a tie vote shall automatically be

1432
01:04:08,309 --> 01:04:10,800
placed on each subsequent council meeting

1433
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,519
agenda until a full council is present.

1434
01:04:13,519 --> 01:04:17,079
So this rule applies to the Planning and Zoning Commission

1435
01:04:17,079 --> 01:04:18,920
when it comes to tie votes.

1436
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:23,630
In relationship to this case, however, there was a recusal

1437
01:04:23,630 --> 01:04:26,519
and so the total number of permanent

1438
01:04:26,519 --> 01:04:28,920
voting members of the Planning and Zoning Commission for

1439
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:30,039
this case was always going

1440
01:04:30,039 --> 01:04:32,039
to be 6.

1441
01:04:32,039 --> 01:04:35,780
And so the Planning and Zoning Commission after a couple of

1442
01:04:35,780 --> 01:04:37,880
tries could not get to 4

1443
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:41,119
votes in the affirmative or the negative for this case.

1444
01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:44,519
So it was essentially immobilized.

1445
01:04:44,519 --> 01:04:48,630
So based upon that, City Council tasked staff to look at

1446
01:04:48,630 --> 01:04:51,199
what we would do in these cases.

1447
01:04:51,199 --> 01:04:54,630
And so City Council looked at this at a September 11th work

1448
01:04:54,630 --> 01:04:56,519
session and they were presented

1449
01:04:56,519 --> 01:04:58,800
with four options of how to address this.

1450
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:00,320
First, they could do no action.

1451
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,139
Second, they could remove that tie vote provision for all

1452
01:05:03,139 --> 01:05:05,079
the boards and commissions including

1453
01:05:05,079 --> 01:05:06,079
City Council.

1454
01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:09,309
Third, they could remove the tie vote provision for boards

1455
01:05:09,309 --> 01:05:11,159
and commissions excluding City

1456
01:05:11,159 --> 01:05:12,400
Council.

1457
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:16,000
And the fourth option which is the one they ultimately

1458
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,119
directed staff to pursue was to

1459
01:05:18,119 --> 01:05:21,269
do a targeted amendment to the DDC to address only the

1460
01:05:21,269 --> 01:05:23,519
Planning and Zoning Commission and

1461
01:05:23,519 --> 01:05:26,530
to allow those cases that result in a tie vote to move

1462
01:05:26,530 --> 01:05:28,039
forward with a denial.

1463
01:05:28,039 --> 01:05:31,980
However, as you know that if this--if Plan Zoning

1464
01:05:31,980 --> 01:05:35,320
recommends denial, then a super majority

1465
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:40,320
is required for City Council to approve that request.

1466
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,070
And Council discussed pretty--had a pretty lengthy

1467
01:05:43,070 --> 01:05:44,480
discussion regarding that and felt

1468
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:48,519
like that super majority provision was too punitive in this

1469
01:05:48,519 --> 01:05:50,480
--in this instance because

1470
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:55,519
PNZ didn't have a majority voting in denial of the case.

1471
01:05:55,519 --> 01:06:00,559
So they directed staff to move forward with a DDC amendment

1472
01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:03,039
to provide for the tie votes

1473
01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:05,920
that it would go forward as a recommendation of denial but

1474
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:07,599
not require that super majority

1475
01:06:07,599 --> 01:06:09,639
requirement.

1476
01:06:09,639 --> 01:06:12,440
Just a simple majority, yes, sir.

1477
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,719
So the proposed language is any motion resulting in a tie

1478
01:06:15,719 --> 01:06:18,360
vote of the commission would automatically

1479
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,989
be deemed as a denial recommendation to be forwarded to

1480
01:06:21,989 --> 01:06:24,519
City Council for a final decision.

1481
01:06:24,519 --> 01:06:28,510
Such tie vote is not subject to City Code Section 2-29,

1482
01:06:28,510 --> 01:06:30,599
that's that--that part we looked

1483
01:06:30,599 --> 01:06:33,119
at at the beginning of the presentation.

1484
01:06:33,119 --> 01:06:36,349
The denial shall not require three-fourths vote of all

1485
01:06:36,349 --> 01:06:38,699
members of the City Council qualified

1486
01:06:38,699 --> 01:06:49,679
to vote as stated in Section 35.3.4.c.4.b of the Denton

1487
01:06:49,679 --> 01:06:52,800
Development Code.

1488
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:54,550
The language in that you said--I didn't see that earlier

1489
01:06:54,550 --> 01:06:55,679
but the language you had in there

1490
01:06:55,679 --> 01:06:59,400
earlier was that this would apply to only PNZ.

1491
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,679
Other recommending councils and boards and commissions--

1492
01:07:01,679 --> 01:07:04,239
Would not--would not apply to them.

1493
01:07:04,239 --> 01:07:07,190
Do we not see that that might be important to have that

1494
01:07:07,190 --> 01:07:08,800
also spanned to them as well

1495
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:11,769
as--as recommend--not--not all but the ones that are--that

1496
01:07:11,769 --> 01:07:13,360
are recommending bodies that

1497
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,110
have that also available in case they have the exact same

1498
01:07:16,110 --> 01:07:17,400
situation that happens there?

1499
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:19,559
And that may be something that City Council wants to

1500
01:07:19,559 --> 01:07:20,679
address in the future.

1501
01:07:20,679 --> 01:07:23,429
However, the Denton Development Code just addresses the

1502
01:07:23,429 --> 01:07:24,719
Planning and Zoning Commission.

1503
01:07:24,719 --> 01:07:27,179
So if that is something that Council wanted to move forward

1504
01:07:27,179 --> 01:07:28,400
with, they would--it would

1505
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:31,440
be a different procedure for that.

1506
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:32,840
Commissioner Perdena.

1507
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:36,130
So based on what you just described, my simplification

1508
01:07:36,130 --> 01:07:38,800
would be that--and if I'm misunderstanding

1509
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:42,059
it, let me know--that it's high rather than moving forward

1510
01:07:42,059 --> 01:07:43,599
as a denial would in effect

1511
01:07:43,599 --> 01:07:44,960
move forward as an approval?

1512
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:48,090
No, it would move forward as a denial but it wouldn't

1513
01:07:48,090 --> 01:07:50,039
require the supermajority.

1514
01:07:50,039 --> 01:07:53,250
So--so hold that thought and we may--maybe I'll answer it

1515
01:07:53,250 --> 01:07:54,880
and if I don't, we'll keep

1516
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,900
talking about it till I--till we can get it--get it

1517
01:07:57,900 --> 01:07:58,800
straight.

1518
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:03,500
So--so when staff just looked at this and--and did their

1519
01:08:03,500 --> 01:08:07,280
analysis of this direction, we determined

1520
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,360
that--that this amendment would prevent leaving those

1521
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:12,639
projects in that indeterminate state,

1522
01:08:12,639 --> 01:08:15,400
that it would actually allow those projects to move forward

1523
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:16,680
and that City Council would

1524
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:17,760
either approve or deny.

1525
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:20,810
So they would have their--be able to be heard by City

1526
01:08:20,810 --> 01:08:21,600
Council.

1527
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:25,020
Although the recommendation would be a denial, it would not

1528
01:08:25,020 --> 01:08:27,039
be a recommendation of approval,

1529
01:08:27,039 --> 01:08:29,520
it does remove that supermajority requirement.

1530
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:33,579
So it's not overly punitive that it wasn't a full denial by

1531
01:08:33,579 --> 01:08:36,560
the Planning and Zoning Commission.

1532
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:40,720
But as with all cases, the City Council is apprised of the

1533
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:42,920
--of the PNZ meeting minutes

1534
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:46,199
as well as a summary of the points of discussion and the

1535
01:08:46,199 --> 01:08:48,800
full vote so that they are fully informed

1536
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:50,319
when they make their decision.

1537
01:08:50,319 --> 01:08:53,470
So although it would move forward as a tie vote

1538
01:08:53,470 --> 01:08:56,319
recommendation of denial, they would

1539
01:08:56,319 --> 01:08:59,880
be aware of some of those issues that would have been

1540
01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:02,319
brought up at the--at this meeting

1541
01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:05,520
in order so they can make a fully informed decision.

1542
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:06,760
Commissioner Burnetta.

1543
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:09,760
And I guess my clarification.

1544
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,489
So currently we would--if we made a recommendation, it

1545
01:09:12,489 --> 01:09:14,039
would move forward to City Council and

1546
01:09:14,039 --> 01:09:16,199
then they would vote on it and they would require a

1547
01:09:16,199 --> 01:09:17,239
majority, right?

1548
01:09:17,239 --> 01:09:18,239
To approve.

1549
01:09:18,239 --> 01:09:19,399
To approve, right.

1550
01:09:19,399 --> 01:09:22,449
So--and I guess I just want to make sure I'm not

1551
01:09:22,449 --> 01:09:25,439
misunderstanding, you know, mistaking

1552
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:27,619
nomenclature versus procedure.

1553
01:09:27,619 --> 01:09:31,380
So this one--in this case, it would move forward as a tie,

1554
01:09:31,380 --> 01:09:34,239
which is technically not a--technically

1555
01:09:34,239 --> 01:09:38,909
a denial, not an approval, but the vote process would still

1556
01:09:38,909 --> 01:09:41,039
be the same as if it had been

1557
01:09:41,039 --> 01:09:42,039
approved.

1558
01:09:42,039 --> 01:09:43,039
I think you said it very well.

1559
01:09:43,039 --> 01:09:44,039
Okay.

1560
01:09:44,039 --> 01:09:45,039
Yes.

1561
01:09:45,039 --> 01:09:46,039
All right.

1562
01:09:46,039 --> 01:09:47,039
Thank you.

1563
01:09:47,039 --> 01:09:48,039
Yes.

1564
01:09:48,039 --> 01:09:49,039
Commissioner Ellis.

1565
01:09:49,039 --> 01:09:50,039
Thank you, Chair.

1566
01:09:50,039 --> 01:09:52,449
So what I'm hearing you saying is this would be any tie

1567
01:09:52,449 --> 01:09:52,920
vote.

1568
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:54,560
It's not correct.

1569
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:58,329
It's changing a tie vote, not a perpetual tie vote, which

1570
01:09:58,329 --> 01:10:00,239
was really what the problem

1571
01:10:00,239 --> 01:10:01,239
was.

1572
01:10:01,239 --> 01:10:02,239
Yes.

1573
01:10:02,239 --> 01:10:04,680
It's not a tie vote that PNZ has.

1574
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:07,760
Like someone's on vacation, let's say, someone's child's

1575
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:09,159
sick, someone's sick.

1576
01:10:09,159 --> 01:10:11,359
I think this is a really bad idea.

1577
01:10:11,359 --> 01:10:15,500
We have policy in place right now, good policy in place

1578
01:10:15,500 --> 01:10:17,960
that says if we have a tie vote,

1579
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:22,960
it goes to the next meeting to get that full commission.

1580
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:27,399
What our problem was, our problem was we had a recusal.

1581
01:10:27,399 --> 01:10:30,960
So we were always going to have a six-member commission and

1582
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:32,760
probably a perpetual tie.

1583
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:38,109
We are rewriting good policy to address that one rare issue

1584
01:10:38,109 --> 01:10:38,479
.

1585
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:42,649
And I have a real problem with that because something could

1586
01:10:42,649 --> 01:10:44,159
get underhanded.

1587
01:10:44,159 --> 01:10:46,920
I mean, I don't, there's bad people out there.

1588
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:47,920
Okay.

1589
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:50,640
Hey, why don't you be sick today at PNZ?

1590
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:54,210
Oh, automatic tie perhaps and goes on to city council, does

1591
01:10:54,210 --> 01:10:56,119
not require a super majority.

1592
01:10:56,119 --> 01:10:58,279
I've just got issues with this.

1593
01:10:58,279 --> 01:11:01,020
We've got a policy in place that fixes a tie vote because

1594
01:11:01,020 --> 01:11:02,880
it goes to the next meeting automatically

1595
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:03,880
and we vote again.

1596
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:04,880
So I don't know.

1597
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:05,880
Is anybody else understand?

1598
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:08,270
I think I'm going to let city jump in real fast because we

1599
01:11:08,270 --> 01:11:09,399
saw a lot of hands pop up

1600
01:11:09,399 --> 01:11:10,399
at your point.

1601
01:11:10,399 --> 01:11:14,020
One option that could happen is if that is the case, it can

1602
01:11:14,020 --> 01:11:15,920
always be requested to table

1603
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:18,279
the item to the following meeting.

1604
01:11:18,279 --> 01:11:24,880
Can you say that again?

1605
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:27,369
An option could be that you could always table the item to

1606
01:11:27,369 --> 01:11:29,039
the next meeting rather than taking

1607
01:11:29,039 --> 01:11:30,039
a vote.

1608
01:11:30,039 --> 01:11:33,640
And we'll go with Commissioner Smith.

1609
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:36,109
Just per Robert's rules of order, and you can correct me,

1610
01:11:36,109 --> 01:11:37,279
that there's a request to

1611
01:11:37,279 --> 01:11:40,239
table an item that supersedes any motion that's on the

1612
01:11:40,239 --> 01:11:40,840
floor.

1613
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:43,489
So if there's a motion for an approval and it's going to

1614
01:11:43,489 --> 01:11:44,319
obviously go to a tie, there

1615
01:11:44,319 --> 01:11:47,520
can be some of us have said I motion to table the item.

1616
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:49,609
Robert's rules of order allows for that to supersede any

1617
01:11:49,609 --> 01:11:50,800
motion that's on the floor.

1618
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:51,800
Just my understanding.

1619
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:52,800
Commissioner Burnetta.

1620
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:57,699
I think he kind of covered that, but is it possible to -- I

1621
01:11:57,699 --> 01:12:01,560
mean, per Commissioner Ellis's

1622
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:05,180
concern to make an amendment where this would only happen

1623
01:12:05,180 --> 01:12:07,079
in the event that there would

1624
01:12:07,079 --> 01:12:12,840
be a permanent tie, you know, it would be a recusal.

1625
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:15,560
Or a secondary tie, like this is the second time it's been

1626
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:16,960
tied, or back-to-back sessions

1627
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:20,159
to both your point.

1628
01:12:20,159 --> 01:12:23,289
Because I -- real fast, I'd like to add, because

1629
01:12:23,289 --> 01:12:26,199
Commissioner Smith, if that was to happen,

1630
01:12:26,199 --> 01:12:28,310
there's six people on the board and someone tables it, it's

1631
01:12:28,310 --> 01:12:29,359
going to be hard to get that

1632
01:12:29,359 --> 01:12:33,239
vote if someone knows that a tie vote would get it through.

1633
01:12:33,239 --> 01:12:36,520
So I'm not sure if that table would -- that motion to table

1634
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:38,520
would pass and not hypothetical.

1635
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:40,579
I think it would be a stalemate going back to a tie to pass

1636
01:12:40,579 --> 01:12:41,199
it forward.

1637
01:12:41,199 --> 01:12:42,199
Commissioner Beck.

1638
01:12:42,199 --> 01:12:43,199
That's a good point.

1639
01:12:43,199 --> 01:12:44,199
Thank you, Chair.

1640
01:12:44,199 --> 01:12:48,279
And I understand -- I'm glad she brought that point up.

1641
01:12:48,279 --> 01:12:51,039
We never thought about the devious people actually

1642
01:12:51,039 --> 01:12:52,239
deliberately missing.

1643
01:12:52,239 --> 01:12:55,050
But my concern was what if we did have a tie vote and just

1644
01:12:55,050 --> 01:12:57,800
result somebody wasn't here?

1645
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:01,739
And then I think somebody made the suggestion that if that

1646
01:13:01,739 --> 01:13:03,680
happened a second time, that

1647
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:05,880
could be the way we could get around this.

1648
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:08,720
If it happened a second time and the same person was gone,

1649
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:10,199
then it would automatically

1650
01:13:10,199 --> 01:13:11,199
go forward.

1651
01:13:11,199 --> 01:13:14,130
But then I'm not opposed to just limiting it to the

1652
01:13:14,130 --> 01:13:16,239
situation that we had to deal with

1653
01:13:16,239 --> 01:13:17,239
that one time.

1654
01:13:17,239 --> 01:13:18,239
Commissioner Ellis.

1655
01:13:18,239 --> 01:13:19,760
Thank you, Chair.

1656
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:23,560
Can I ask why it wasn't written that way?

1657
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:26,800
Why it's not being proposed that way?

1658
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:30,800
So I believe that actually was discussed at City Council.

1659
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:34,939
I think there was ultimately concern that that would be

1660
01:13:34,939 --> 01:13:37,119
hard to manage that, is what

1661
01:13:37,119 --> 01:13:40,359
if somebody was on a long-term illness and they would be

1662
01:13:40,359 --> 01:13:42,079
gone for months at a time.

1663
01:13:42,079 --> 01:13:46,380
So I think a very similar comment came up at the City

1664
01:13:46,380 --> 01:13:49,159
Council meeting as well, that

1665
01:13:49,159 --> 01:13:51,680
work session as part of the discussion.

1666
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:55,079
Jerry, you want to hop in?

1667
01:13:55,079 --> 01:13:58,640
I think part of it is also if the purpose of the law is to

1668
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:00,479
have the council consider

1669
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:05,050
the P&Z's recommendation and the P&Z comes forward with a

1670
01:14:05,050 --> 01:14:07,920
tie vote, it's not a particularly

1671
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:12,720
strong recommendation, so as to be compelling.

1672
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:19,850
And I think that it's been published in the Texas Municipal

1673
01:14:19,850 --> 01:14:23,439
Zoning Guidebook that we regard

1674
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:29,020
more or less as the Bible, that this may be a way to get

1675
01:14:29,020 --> 01:14:32,640
around that perpetual no-man's

1676
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:37,909
land is to treat a tie vote as essentially a known

1677
01:14:37,909 --> 01:14:42,359
recommendation and let it go on further

1678
01:14:42,359 --> 01:14:44,359
to council.

1679
01:14:44,359 --> 01:14:49,520
So the purpose has been solved by this rule in allowing the

1680
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:52,560
P&Z to make a recommendation.

1681
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,760
It's just that strange case in which P&Z can't make a

1682
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:57,560
strong recommendation.

1683
01:14:57,560 --> 01:14:58,560
Koshelos.

1684
01:14:58,560 --> 01:14:59,560
Thank you, Chair.

1685
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:01,840
I'll just say one more point on it.

1686
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:04,890
When we have policy written in place right now that handles

1687
01:15:04,890 --> 01:15:06,560
a tie vote, this is addressing

1688
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:09,899
a very specific problem which has never occurred before in

1689
01:15:09,899 --> 01:15:11,859
the time that I have been here.

1690
01:15:11,859 --> 01:15:16,319
So it's a rare occurrence anyway, and we're rewriting this,

1691
01:15:16,319 --> 01:15:18,119
and I will be voting no on

1692
01:15:18,119 --> 01:15:20,119
this as it's written.

1693
01:15:20,119 --> 01:15:21,119
Great.

1694
01:15:21,119 --> 01:15:22,119
Commissioner Pernitta.

1695
01:15:22,119 --> 01:15:26,050
And to kind of second Commissioner Ellis's point, I do have

1696
01:15:26,050 --> 01:15:27,720
a concern that this would

1697
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:31,659
specifically target cases where there is a recusal, so

1698
01:15:31,659 --> 01:15:34,159
there would be normally a conflict

1699
01:15:34,159 --> 01:15:35,960
of interest in these cases.

1700
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:40,149
So to kind of draw back on those procedures in those cases,

1701
01:15:40,149 --> 01:15:42,199
it seems like it's inviting

1702
01:15:42,199 --> 01:15:43,680
issues.

1703
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:45,680
Commissioner Sanchez.

1704
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:51,600
Yes, I also wanted to state I agree with you.

1705
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:53,239
It was a very unique situation.

1706
01:15:53,239 --> 01:15:55,960
I don't think we just run into that, you know, once every

1707
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:57,640
-- I mean, how often --

1708
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:00,960
Has that happened since they've been having meetings?

1709
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:03,710
I think it's very unique because nobody even had ever seen

1710
01:16:03,710 --> 01:16:03,960
it.

1711
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:04,960
So I agree.

1712
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:07,930
I think we should look at it as a unique situation and not

1713
01:16:07,930 --> 01:16:09,960
make these general rules that apply

1714
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:13,520
all of a sudden for everything as -- instead of looking at

1715
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:15,159
specific what happened, how

1716
01:16:15,159 --> 01:16:16,159
can we improve it?

1717
01:16:16,159 --> 01:16:24,880
And I don't think -- So I think we made valid points.

1718
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:27,680
I don't know who's all in council chambers waiting, but if

1719
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:29,119
Julie wanted to continue,

1720
01:16:29,119 --> 01:16:32,079
we can certainly continue the dialogue as appropriate.

1721
01:16:32,079 --> 01:16:33,079
There is?

1722
01:16:33,079 --> 01:16:34,079
Great.

1723
01:16:34,079 --> 01:16:35,079
Let's not keep them waiting.

1724
01:16:35,079 --> 01:16:38,800
So notification was published regarding this.

1725
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:40,880
Staff recommends approval of the language.

1726
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:43,970
We want to make sure we get the language in the right spot

1727
01:16:43,970 --> 01:16:45,640
in the development code.

1728
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:50,220
This was something that was requested of staff by city

1729
01:16:50,220 --> 01:16:51,279
council.

1730
01:16:51,279 --> 01:16:55,430
So this was a directive by city council, and so that is

1731
01:16:55,430 --> 01:16:58,039
also part of our recommendation

1732
01:16:58,039 --> 01:16:59,520
for approval.

1733
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:03,130
And that -- our original assessment was to put it in subch

1734
01:17:03,130 --> 01:17:05,399
apter 4 of the DENT development

1735
01:17:05,399 --> 01:17:08,550
code, but we want to make sure that we have it in all the

1736
01:17:08,550 --> 01:17:10,279
right spots to make sure that

1737
01:17:10,279 --> 01:17:13,329
as applicants are trying to move forward with their cases

1738
01:17:13,329 --> 01:17:15,119
and the public to understand the

1739
01:17:15,119 --> 01:17:19,149
rules that will make -- if recommended and if approved by

1740
01:17:19,149 --> 01:17:21,279
city council, that we would

1741
01:17:21,279 --> 01:17:23,430
make sure it's in the DENT development code in the right

1742
01:17:23,430 --> 01:17:24,800
spots to make sure that everyone

1743
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:28,000
knows all of the correct regulations.

1744
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:29,960
Thanks, Julie.

1745
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:34,000
Can I just ask for a point of clarification?

1746
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:38,850
So the concern would be if this was narrowly pointed to --

1747
01:17:38,850 --> 01:17:41,319
if a P&Z member had to recuse

1748
01:17:41,319 --> 01:17:48,319
himself for a conflict, then this would be --

1749
01:17:48,319 --> 01:17:49,800
Thank you, Chair.

1750
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:54,300
Yes, the part that's broken is if you have an even number

1751
01:17:54,300 --> 01:17:56,600
because of a recusal and you

1752
01:17:56,600 --> 01:18:03,199
always have the possibility of a tie, that's what's broken.

1753
01:18:03,199 --> 01:18:08,069
This completely changes how policy is written now, and I'm

1754
01:18:08,069 --> 01:18:10,520
absolutely not on board with

1755
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:11,520
that.

1756
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,760
Julie, did you cover that?

1757
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:17,039
We may be putting it somewhere else in the code.

1758
01:18:17,039 --> 01:18:18,039
Yes, sir.

1759
01:18:18,039 --> 01:18:19,039
Okay.

1760
01:18:19,039 --> 01:18:20,039
Okay.

1761
01:18:20,039 --> 01:18:21,039
Julie, thank you so much.

1762
01:18:21,039 --> 01:18:22,560
We can continue the conversation in there.

1763
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:25,560
We'll fast forward, dismiss.

1764
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:29,960
Is everyone okay for an early attendance on November 28th?

1765
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:31,640
We might have to call a meeting a little bit early.

1766
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:33,359
It's the week after Thanksgiving.

1767
01:18:33,359 --> 01:18:36,359
Just want to make sure sometimes around holidays, travel.

1768
01:18:36,359 --> 01:18:39,439
Is everyone planning on being here on the 28th?

1769
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:42,880
Well, I think normal time, but we just want to make sure we

1770
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:44,119
're attendance.

1771
01:18:44,119 --> 01:18:45,119
Okay.

1772
01:18:45,119 --> 01:18:47,800
So with that, I will close the work session at 639.

1773
01:18:47,800 --> 01:19:01,560
We'll meet in Councilor's chambers at 645.

1774
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:03,569
Good evening and welcome to the Planning and Zoning

1775
01:19:03,569 --> 01:19:05,760
Commission for October 24th, 2018.

1776
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:09,159
The meeting will be started at 645.

1777
01:19:09,159 --> 01:19:10,159
Thank you all for being patient.

1778
01:19:10,159 --> 01:19:13,000
We had a longer work session than we were anticipating.

1779
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:16,199
So appreciate you all being patient and hanging around.

1780
01:19:16,199 --> 01:19:18,850
The first item on the agenda is to stand and give a Pledge

1781
01:19:18,850 --> 01:19:20,399
of Allegiance to the U.S. and

1782
01:19:20,399 --> 01:19:21,399
Texas flag.

1783
01:19:21,399 --> 01:19:28,329
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of

1784
01:19:28,329 --> 01:19:32,399
America and to the republic for

1785
01:19:32,399 --> 01:19:37,250
which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with

1786
01:19:37,250 --> 01:19:38,399
liberty and justice for all.

1787
01:19:38,399 --> 01:19:43,399
I pledge allegiance to the U.S. and Texas flag.

1788
01:19:43,399 --> 01:19:46,539
I pledge allegiance to the United States of America and to

1789
01:19:46,539 --> 01:19:48,399
the republic for which it stands,

1790
01:19:48,399 --> 01:19:52,079
one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and

1791
01:19:52,079 --> 01:19:53,399
justice for all.

1792
01:19:53,399 --> 01:19:58,399
I pledge allegiance to the U.S. and Texas flag.

1793
01:19:58,399 --> 01:19:59,399
I pledge allegiance to the U.S. and Texas flag.

1794
01:19:59,399 --> 01:20:00,399
I pledge allegiance to the U.S. and Texas flag.

1795
01:20:00,399 --> 01:20:01,399
I pledge allegiance to the U.S. and Texas flag.

1796
01:20:01,399 --> 01:20:02,399
I pledge allegiance to the U.S. and Texas flag.

1797
01:20:02,399 --> 01:20:03,399
I pledge allegiance to the U.S. and Texas flag.

1798
01:20:03,399 --> 01:20:04,399
I pledge allegiance to the U.S. and Texas flag.

1799
01:20:04,399 --> 01:20:05,399
I pledge allegiance to the U.S. and Texas flag.

1800
01:20:05,399 --> 01:20:06,399
I pledge allegiance to the U.S. and Texas flag.

1801
01:20:06,399 --> 01:20:07,399
I pledge allegiance to the U.S. and Texas flag.

1802
01:20:07,399 --> 01:20:12,569
Commissioner Smith? Motion for approval. Commissioner Pern

1803
01:20:12,569 --> 01:20:16,130
etta? We have a first and a second. Any discussion? Seeing

1804
01:20:16,130 --> 01:20:26,470
none, I'll call for a vote on the board. Motion carries 7-0

1805
01:20:26,470 --> 01:20:34,220
. Next item is our consent agenda. Commissioner Ellis?

1806
01:20:34,220 --> 01:20:37,460
Thank you. Try and move approval of the consent agenda.

1807
01:20:37,460 --> 01:20:41,220
Commissioner Beck? Second. We have a first and a second.

1808
01:20:41,220 --> 01:20:46,529
Any discussion on the item? Seeing none, I'll call for a

1809
01:20:46,529 --> 01:20:54,539
vote on the board.

1810
01:20:54,539 --> 01:20:59,109
Motion carries 7-0. That moves us to our public hearing

1811
01:20:59,109 --> 01:21:04,350
items for this evening. Item 4A, Z18-0021C has been

1812
01:21:04,350 --> 01:21:07,630
postponed. It will be brought back before the Commission on

1813
01:21:07,630 --> 01:21:11,039
November 14th and will be reposted and re-noticed at that

1814
01:21:11,039 --> 01:21:12,960
time.

1815
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:22,350
Next item is item 4B, FR18-0010. I will call Cindy Jackson

1816
01:21:22,350 --> 01:21:28,520
for presentation and open this public hearing.

1817
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:34,449
Thank you, Chairman, Commissioners. FR18-0010 is a request

1818
01:21:34,449 --> 01:21:39,800
for approval of a final replat of lots 15A, R1 and 15A, R2,

1819
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:45,960
block 17, being a residential replat of lot 15A, block 17

1820
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:48,859
of Royal Acres section 5.

1821
01:21:48,859 --> 01:21:53,560
You can see the property right here. It's generally located

1822
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:57,810
at the southeast corner of the intersection of Hercules

1823
01:21:57,810 --> 01:22:00,199
Lane and Wellington Drive.

1824
01:22:00,199 --> 01:22:06,050
The site was originally platted in 1972. Here you can see

1825
01:22:06,050 --> 01:22:09,659
it was actually two lots, a little difficult, but it's

1826
01:22:09,659 --> 01:22:15,680
there. In 1976, the then property owner replatted the two

1827
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:17,520
lots into one lot.

1828
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:25,140
Now today, we are here to replat the site back into two

1829
01:22:25,140 --> 01:22:28,819
lots. Since this is a residential replat, we had

1830
01:22:28,819 --> 01:22:30,960
notification requirements.

1831
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:36,439
We sent out 21 notices via certified mail within 200 feet

1832
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:42,390
of the property. We sent certified notices to the entire

1833
01:22:42,390 --> 01:22:47,359
subdivision, 275 via certified mail.

1834
01:22:47,359 --> 01:22:54,289
We sent 49 courtesy notices within 500 feet of the site. We

1835
01:22:54,289 --> 01:23:00,989
received no responses in opposition within 200 feet of the

1836
01:23:00,989 --> 01:23:03,260
site and one neutral.

1837
01:23:03,260 --> 01:23:09,560
We received nothing in favor of the request within 200 feet

1838
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:15,279
of the site. Within the subdivision, we received four in

1839
01:23:15,279 --> 01:23:19,159
opposition, which you can see here.

1840
01:23:19,159 --> 01:23:25,710
We received two in favor, you can see outlined in green,

1841
01:23:25,710 --> 01:23:29,359
and we received one neutral.

1842
01:23:29,359 --> 01:23:32,779
This plat meets the requirements of the subdivision

1843
01:23:32,779 --> 01:23:36,050
ordinance and the zoning code, and staff recommends

1844
01:23:36,050 --> 01:23:39,260
approval of this request. That concludes my presentation.

1845
01:23:39,260 --> 01:23:40,760
Thank you, Cindy.

1846
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:44,760
The applicant is present if you have any questions.

1847
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:50,029
I do not see any questions at this time. This is a public

1848
01:23:50,029 --> 01:23:53,060
hearing. If anyone wishes to speak, they may do so.

1849
01:23:53,060 --> 01:24:04,409
Anyone wishing to speak? Do we have any questions of the

1850
01:24:04,409 --> 01:24:07,529
applicant from the commission before I close the public

1851
01:24:07,529 --> 01:24:08,260
hearing?

1852
01:24:08,260 --> 01:24:10,260
Okay. Oh, Commissioner Beck.

1853
01:24:10,260 --> 01:24:13,680
Thank you, Chair. I do have one question for the applicant,

1854
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:17,659
if I may. Is the applicant here?

1855
01:24:17,659 --> 01:24:20,060
The applicant, yes.

1856
01:24:20,060 --> 01:24:22,819
If you could just state your name and address for the

1857
01:24:22,819 --> 01:24:23,460
record.

1858
01:24:23,460 --> 01:24:28,460
Gerald Jensen, Landmark Surveyors, 4238 I-35 North.

1859
01:24:28,460 --> 01:24:31,239
Okay. Thank you, Mr. Jensen, for coming out. Just real

1860
01:24:31,239 --> 01:24:34,220
quickly, I think some concern that was expressed, and I

1861
01:24:34,220 --> 01:24:36,460
just wanted to allay that if we could.

1862
01:24:36,460 --> 01:24:41,520
Splitting this lot, you don't have any intentions of doing

1863
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:46,920
anything other than, if anything, building another single-

1864
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:50,460
family home there, is that correct?

1865
01:24:50,460 --> 01:24:53,460
Okay. On the new lot, on the separate lot?

1866
01:24:53,460 --> 01:24:53,960
Yes.

1867
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:55,460
Okay. That's all I need. Thank you, sir.

1868
01:24:55,460 --> 01:24:56,460
Thank you.

1869
01:24:56,460 --> 01:24:57,460
I have a question.

1870
01:24:57,460 --> 01:24:59,460
Commissioner Sanchez.

1871
01:24:59,460 --> 01:25:03,819
Did you meet with any of the neighbors in that area to find

1872
01:25:03,819 --> 01:25:07,829
out what their thoughts were? Because I know I've talked to

1873
01:25:07,829 --> 01:25:11,159
a few of them, and they were concerned about what was going

1874
01:25:11,159 --> 01:25:13,460
on in dividing that lot, so that was their concern.

1875
01:25:13,460 --> 01:25:15,460
So have you met with any of them to kind of?

1876
01:25:15,460 --> 01:25:18,609
I have taken several phone calls from concerned residents

1877
01:25:18,609 --> 01:25:22,079
and explained the situation, and I have one, actually, Mr.

1878
01:25:22,079 --> 01:25:25,220
Jackson mirrored exactly what I was going to present to you

1879
01:25:25,220 --> 01:25:28,300
, except I have one other exhibit that I'd like to show you

1880
01:25:28,300 --> 01:25:29,460
if it'll help.

1881
01:25:29,460 --> 01:25:30,460
Sure, absolutely.

1882
01:25:30,460 --> 01:25:34,460
If you want to put it just on that, the felts.

1883
01:25:45,460 --> 01:25:52,460
Okay.

1884
01:25:52,460 --> 01:25:54,460
Okay. This shows the existing conditions.

1885
01:25:54,460 --> 01:26:01,939
When the two lots were combined into a single lot, and for

1886
01:26:01,939 --> 01:26:05,539
the moment ignore this new lot line, it was done because

1887
01:26:05,539 --> 01:26:08,640
the size of the house was built and the original lot line

1888
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:13,659
was across here somewhere, so it needed to be combined into

1889
01:26:13,659 --> 01:26:14,460
one lot.

1890
01:26:14,460 --> 01:26:17,840
As it turns out, they left plenty of leftover there's

1891
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:23,170
approximately 12,000 square feet, or 7,000 is required for

1892
01:26:23,170 --> 01:26:27,149
it should be 50 it's more like 90 something and depth is

1893
01:26:27,149 --> 01:26:31,569
supposed to be 80 is more than 142 so it's way more than a

1894
01:26:31,569 --> 01:26:34,460
standard law for that in our four zoning would be.

1895
01:26:34,460 --> 01:26:37,850
But that's basically what's there now. This is the area

1896
01:26:37,850 --> 01:26:41,460
where the second house will be built.

1897
01:26:41,460 --> 01:26:44,460
Okay.

1898
01:26:44,460 --> 01:26:46,460
Question for that.

1899
01:26:46,460 --> 01:26:49,399
And I just kind of wanted to piggyback on what Commissioner

1900
01:26:49,399 --> 01:26:51,979
back so I know a lot of the objections that we got were

1901
01:26:51,979 --> 01:26:54,739
based on people not knowing what the area was going to be

1902
01:26:54,739 --> 01:26:55,460
used for.

1903
01:26:55,460 --> 01:27:01,539
We are just considering the division of the plot, in order

1904
01:27:01,539 --> 01:27:07,359
for any of the anything business like we'd have to rezone

1905
01:27:07,359 --> 01:27:11,460
it which we're not correct so right.

1906
01:27:11,460 --> 01:27:14,510
And if I may add the answer to your question the

1907
01:27:14,510 --> 01:27:18,390
conversations I had with the residents all had to do with

1908
01:27:18,390 --> 01:27:21,960
some misunderstanding think if there was some kind of a

1909
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:25,460
zoning or the something commercial might go in.

1910
01:27:25,460 --> 01:27:29,399
So I was able to explain to them and think that there was

1911
01:27:29,399 --> 01:27:33,430
satisfaction, but all this was was just creating a rec

1912
01:27:33,430 --> 01:27:37,460
reating a lot that existed once in 1972.

1913
01:27:37,460 --> 01:27:40,800
The questions I had, they were afraid that the lot, the lot

1914
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:43,920
that you were going to create was going to be too small and

1915
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:46,920
you go in and create a smaller house than was in the rest

1916
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:48,460
of the neighborhood.

1917
01:27:48,460 --> 01:27:52,060
There were, you know, most of those houses are about 3000

1918
01:27:52,060 --> 01:27:55,579
square feet, and you come in and maybe put in a 1200 square

1919
01:27:55,579 --> 01:27:58,470
that was that was a concern that was given to me is come in

1920
01:27:58,470 --> 01:28:02,460
and put a 12 1300 square foot, you have a small lot and a

1921
01:28:02,460 --> 01:28:06,229
small house rather than what is compatible in the rest of

1922
01:28:06,229 --> 01:28:06,460
the neighborhood.

1923
01:28:06,460 --> 01:28:12,199
Right, as it turns out it's actually larger law than the

1924
01:28:12,199 --> 01:28:16,460
rest of the thoughts in the neighborhood.

1925
01:28:16,460 --> 01:28:19,460
I don't see any other questions I appreciate it. Thank you.

1926
01:28:19,460 --> 01:28:25,710
This is a public hearing item if anyone wishes to speak,

1927
01:28:25,710 --> 01:28:27,460
you may do so.

1928
01:28:27,460 --> 01:28:31,750
Seeing none I will close the public hearing and open for

1929
01:28:31,750 --> 01:28:34,460
discussion or emotion, Mr Smith.

1930
01:28:34,460 --> 01:28:36,460
Motion for approval.

1931
01:28:36,460 --> 01:28:38,460
First, Rebecca second.

1932
01:28:38,460 --> 01:28:42,460
We have a first and a second. Is there any discussion.

1933
01:28:42,460 --> 01:28:52,460
Seeing none I call for a vote on the board.

1934
01:28:52,460 --> 01:29:07,199
Motion carries seven zero. As a point of order, we'd like

1935
01:29:07,199 --> 01:29:08,619
to make an amendment to the agenda. For the sake of some

1936
01:29:08,619 --> 01:29:10,460
timing, we'd like to move agenda G DC 18 DC a 18 dash 005

1937
01:29:10,460 --> 01:29:15,840
to the next item so item G is now going to become item C,

1938
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:20,460
and I'll call Julie for presentation.

1939
01:29:20,460 --> 01:29:30,460
Good evening.

1940
01:29:30,460 --> 01:29:35,460
I'm Julie Wyatt senior planner with the city of Denton.

1941
01:29:35,460 --> 01:29:53,079
And I am presenting a DCA 18 five tie vote procedure. Sorry

1942
01:29:53,079 --> 01:29:53,659
. The request before us to hold a public hearing and

1943
01:29:53,659 --> 01:29:53,930
consider making a recommendation to city council regarding

1944
01:29:53,930 --> 01:29:54,159
a proposed revision to the Denton Development Code,

1945
01:29:54,159 --> 01:29:55,460
specific specifically to address those situations

1946
01:29:55,460 --> 01:30:00,460
where there, there's a motion that results in a tie vote.

1947
01:30:00,460 --> 01:30:05,829
I'll give it a background to see how how we got here. This,

1948
01:30:05,829 --> 01:30:08,880
the planning and zoning Commission heard a rezoning case

1949
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:11,909
earlier this year that resulted in a tie vote that brought

1950
01:30:11,909 --> 01:30:14,869
to the for what those, what the procedures are when a tie

1951
01:30:14,869 --> 01:30:19,460
vote is resulted from a motion, and those, those follow

1952
01:30:19,460 --> 01:30:22,619
the local rules of procedure there in the code of ordin

1953
01:30:22,619 --> 01:30:26,390
ances and particularly in section to dash 29 matters voted

1954
01:30:26,390 --> 01:30:29,000
on by the city council which in a tie vote shall

1955
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:32,579
automatically be placed on each subsequent council meeting

1956
01:30:32,579 --> 01:30:35,460
agenda until a full council is present.

1957
01:30:35,460 --> 01:30:38,460
And so that rule applies to the planning and zoning

1958
01:30:38,460 --> 01:30:39,460
Commission.

1959
01:30:39,460 --> 01:30:42,819
So on that previous case, due to a recusal in the planning

1960
01:30:42,819 --> 01:30:46,319
and zoning Commission the number of voting members of the P

1961
01:30:46,319 --> 01:30:49,899
NC was permanently reduced to six. And that's where they got

1962
01:30:49,899 --> 01:30:51,460
the three three vote.

1963
01:30:51,460 --> 01:30:54,630
The, the, the case came before the planning and zoning

1964
01:30:54,630 --> 01:30:58,170
Commission twice, and four votes and either the affirmative

1965
01:30:58,170 --> 01:31:01,890
or the negative were not possible. So in a sense that case

1966
01:31:01,890 --> 01:31:05,569
was immobilized it couldn't go forward it couldn't, it

1967
01:31:05,569 --> 01:31:07,460
couldn't do anything.

1968
01:31:07,460 --> 01:31:10,510
And as a result of that city council, asked staff to

1969
01:31:10,510 --> 01:31:13,840
prepare work session and some options by which that they

1970
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:17,390
could prevent this from happening again and so in September

1971
01:31:17,390 --> 01:31:20,949
, staff presenting four options to city council regarding

1972
01:31:20,949 --> 01:31:22,460
the tie vote issue.

1973
01:31:22,460 --> 01:31:25,659
First option is no action just keep things as they are. The

1974
01:31:25,659 --> 01:31:28,979
second option would be to remove the tie vote provision for

1975
01:31:28,979 --> 01:31:32,460
all boards and commissions, including the city council.

1976
01:31:32,460 --> 01:31:35,789
The third option would be to remove the tie vote provision

1977
01:31:35,789 --> 01:31:39,460
for all boards and commissions but excluding city council.

1978
01:31:39,460 --> 01:31:42,789
And then the fourth option was was the most targeted option

1979
01:31:42,789 --> 01:31:45,609
and that was to amend the debt and development code to

1980
01:31:45,609 --> 01:31:47,460
address only the planning and zoning Commission

1981
01:31:47,460 --> 01:32:00,069
and allow cases where there is a tie vote to move forward

1982
01:32:00,069 --> 01:32:03,460
as a denial. As, as you're aware, typically when the

1983
01:32:03,460 --> 01:32:03,460
planning and zoning Commission recommends denial in order

1984
01:32:03,460 --> 01:32:03,460
to approve that request city council would have to, there

1985
01:32:03,460 --> 01:32:03,460
would have to be a super majority of votes

1986
01:32:03,460 --> 01:32:07,020
which would be six out of seven, they felt like that might

1987
01:32:07,020 --> 01:32:10,449
have been a little too strenuous as a denial since the full

1988
01:32:10,449 --> 01:32:14,100
planning and zoning Commission did not recommend denial so

1989
01:32:14,100 --> 01:32:17,460
they they they asked that we move forward with a text

1990
01:32:17,460 --> 01:32:20,880
amendment to the debt and development code to move, move

1991
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:25,109
tie votes forward to the city council, but then remove that

1992
01:32:25,109 --> 01:32:28,460
super majority provision for that denial.

1993
01:32:28,460 --> 01:32:31,890
So the language that was prepared in response to that was

1994
01:32:31,890 --> 01:32:35,399
any motion resulting in a tie vote of the Commission would

1995
01:32:35,399 --> 01:32:38,789
automatically be deemed as a denial recommendation to

1996
01:32:38,789 --> 01:32:42,460
before it did to the city council for a final decision.

1997
01:32:42,460 --> 01:32:46,460
The

1998
01:32:46,460 --> 01:32:51,630
The denial shall not require a three fourths vote of all

1999
01:32:51,630 --> 01:32:58,460
members of the city council qualified to vote as stated in

2000
01:32:58,460 --> 01:32:59,460
35 dot three dot four dot c dot or dot B.

2001
01:32:59,460 --> 01:33:02,260
So our original assessment was to was to place this

2002
01:33:02,260 --> 01:33:05,390
language in in the operational procedures of PNC and sub

2003
01:33:05,390 --> 01:33:08,850
chapter four. However, we wanted to make sure upon further

2004
01:33:08,850 --> 01:33:11,789
reflection we felt like it should be maybe in several

2005
01:33:11,789 --> 01:33:17,460
places in the development code so that so that applicants

2006
01:33:17,460 --> 01:33:19,939
and members of the public could be aware of what the

2007
01:33:19,939 --> 01:33:20,460
procedures would be.

2008
01:33:20,460 --> 01:33:24,020
So they wouldn't have to target in on that one section

2009
01:33:24,020 --> 01:33:26,460
there would be a couple of sections.

2010
01:33:26,460 --> 01:33:29,550
So the considerations that we looked at was first and an

2011
01:33:29,550 --> 01:33:32,840
amendment with this amendment as proposed would prevent

2012
01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:36,159
leaving projects in an indeterminate state it would allow

2013
01:33:36,159 --> 01:33:39,460
them to move forward and have an ultimate decision.

2014
01:33:39,460 --> 01:33:42,460
Although the recommendation would be a denial.

2015
01:33:42,460 --> 01:33:47,489
The super majority requirement has been removed since that

2016
01:33:47,489 --> 01:33:50,829
since that since the PNC would the full PNC didn't

2017
01:33:50,829 --> 01:33:54,500
recommend that denial. But there are issues that are that

2018
01:33:54,500 --> 01:33:58,199
are discussed in the planning zoning Commission regarding

2019
01:33:58,199 --> 01:34:01,460
all cases and in cases that result in a tie vote.

2020
01:34:01,460 --> 01:34:04,819
And so as with any case the City Council would be apprised

2021
01:34:04,819 --> 01:34:07,979
of the of the PNC meeting minutes as well as in their in

2022
01:34:07,979 --> 01:34:10,920
their backup material as summary of the points of

2023
01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:14,479
discussion including any issues that are that arise and the

2024
01:34:14,479 --> 01:34:18,460
final vote so that they're fully informed of everything

2025
01:34:18,460 --> 01:34:20,460
that transpired.

2026
01:34:20,460 --> 01:34:24,270
So based upon the direction from Council staff recommends

2027
01:34:24,270 --> 01:34:28,079
approval of the request with the caveat that this is the

2028
01:34:28,079 --> 01:34:31,899
language that the recommendation before not necessarily the

2029
01:34:31,899 --> 01:34:35,560
location and the development code and I'll stand for any

2030
01:34:35,560 --> 01:34:36,460
questions.

2031
01:34:36,460 --> 01:34:39,210
We do have one question back. Thank you, Chair. Thanks,

2032
01:34:39,210 --> 01:34:39,460
Julie.

2033
01:34:39,460 --> 01:34:42,460
Could you go back to the options we had.

2034
01:34:42,460 --> 01:34:45,489
And tell me what this number three until if we had a high

2035
01:34:45,489 --> 01:34:48,460
vote it would just simply go into City Council.

2036
01:34:48,460 --> 01:34:52,399
Is that what you're saying. Well, these were actually the

2037
01:34:52,399 --> 01:34:55,590
options that were presented to city council as as and and

2038
01:34:55,590 --> 01:34:59,029
numbers two and three would actually not even come before

2039
01:34:59,029 --> 01:35:02,750
they wouldn't follow the process that you're doing tonight,

2040
01:35:02,750 --> 01:35:05,460
because they would be amending the code of ordinances

2041
01:35:05,460 --> 01:35:08,539
in order to do that so that would be changing a different

2042
01:35:08,539 --> 01:35:11,500
set of regulations that the city and so three and four

2043
01:35:11,500 --> 01:35:14,779
would be the code of ordinances, or I'm sorry two and three

2044
01:35:14,779 --> 01:35:17,939
would be an amendment to the code of ordinances to change

2045
01:35:17,939 --> 01:35:23,060
that entire section to dash 29, which is more involved more

2046
01:35:23,060 --> 01:35:23,460
.

2047
01:35:23,460 --> 01:35:28,060
It would just be a broader, a broader decision and in in

2048
01:35:28,060 --> 01:35:32,760
Council's discussion discussions they really wanted a

2049
01:35:32,760 --> 01:35:36,460
targeted solution to the to the problem. Okay.

2050
01:35:36,460 --> 01:35:37,460
Okay, thanks.

2051
01:35:37,460 --> 01:35:40,460
Pressure for Neda.

2052
01:35:40,460 --> 01:35:43,920
So if we were to vote against this, I guess what would be

2053
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:47,600
the process of coming back and changing some of the wording

2054
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:51,090
, my, my concern is that this specifically deals with

2055
01:35:51,090 --> 01:35:54,750
instances where there would be a recusal, and as we know a

2056
01:35:54,750 --> 01:35:59,460
recusal in and of itself is a safeguard against the

2057
01:35:59,460 --> 01:35:59,460
influence

2058
01:35:59,460 --> 01:36:01,460
of special interests.

2059
01:36:01,460 --> 01:36:05,489
So, right now what's proposed is that we not only remove

2060
01:36:05,489 --> 01:36:09,270
that safeguard it moves on to city council, and then

2061
01:36:09,270 --> 01:36:13,500
removes the requirement for a supermajority which then in

2062
01:36:13,500 --> 01:36:17,630
and of itself removes to safeguards from the influence of

2063
01:36:17,630 --> 01:36:19,460
special interest.

2064
01:36:19,460 --> 01:36:24,010
Can we can we vote this down and basically address the idea

2065
01:36:24,010 --> 01:36:28,850
of a these this procedure applying specifically to recusals

2066
01:36:28,850 --> 01:36:33,090
and then be possibly moving you know if we were to move

2067
01:36:33,090 --> 01:36:37,609
have to move forward, have to move forward as a technical

2068
01:36:37,609 --> 01:36:41,460
denial, requiring a supermajority.

2069
01:36:41,460 --> 01:36:45,890
So, Mr. Pernette staff has said that we would have the

2070
01:36:45,890 --> 01:36:49,460
option to table the item and have it represented to us.

2071
01:36:49,460 --> 01:36:51,460
Any more questions I don't want to.

2072
01:36:51,460 --> 01:36:52,460
Are you good.

2073
01:36:52,460 --> 01:36:53,460
No.

2074
01:36:53,460 --> 01:36:54,460
You got.

2075
01:36:54,460 --> 01:36:55,460
Sure Alice.

2076
01:36:55,460 --> 01:36:56,460
Thank you.

2077
01:36:56,460 --> 01:36:57,460
Thank you, Chair.

2078
01:36:57,460 --> 01:36:58,460
Okay.

2079
01:36:58,460 --> 01:37:00,460
Table this item is that what you're talking about.

2080
01:37:00,460 --> 01:37:01,460
The option.

2081
01:37:01,460 --> 01:37:04,220
I mean, what I'm going to restate what I stated in work

2082
01:37:04,220 --> 01:37:07,199
session, the way it's written right now we rewritten a rule

2083
01:37:07,199 --> 01:37:09,460
that's already in place for a tie vote.

2084
01:37:09,460 --> 01:37:12,270
The way it's written now it certainly is not fair that I

2085
01:37:12,270 --> 01:37:15,170
would be absent I would be ill I would be on vacation, and

2086
01:37:15,170 --> 01:37:17,960
I don't get my voice heard and it ends up in a three three

2087
01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:20,960
tie and it's automatically a denial which were restating

2088
01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:24,460
the definition of because a denial requires a supermajority

2089
01:37:24,460 --> 01:37:24,460
.

2090
01:37:24,460 --> 01:37:33,770
And now we're calling it a denial, but rewriting what that

2091
01:37:33,770 --> 01:37:40,460
really means when it goes on to counsel.

2092
01:37:40,460 --> 01:37:46,310
I mean, but not in just a tie vote at planning and zoning

2093
01:37:46,310 --> 01:37:52,729
the way that this is written. I just can't, I can't support

2094
01:37:52,729 --> 01:37:54,460
that at all.

2095
01:37:54,460 --> 01:37:58,220
I mean, we're adding extra red tape and adding more

2096
01:37:58,220 --> 01:38:02,449
procedures to an already complicated process and I don't

2097
01:38:02,449 --> 01:38:06,359
agree with that either but if we just go back to the, to

2098
01:38:06,359 --> 01:38:10,460
the, the actual event that occurred at the time.

2099
01:38:10,460 --> 01:38:13,420
That was that the actual item that was for vote would be

2100
01:38:13,420 --> 01:38:16,310
put to an approval so that we can essentially get to a

2101
01:38:16,310 --> 01:38:19,340
council that would be full so there wouldn't be a tie vote

2102
01:38:19,340 --> 01:38:22,180
that have seven voting members because there was me

2103
01:38:22,180 --> 01:38:24,460
perpetual recusal at that level.

2104
01:38:24,460 --> 01:38:27,710
And that would allow us to not have a almost a hung jury

2105
01:38:27,710 --> 01:38:31,199
essentially we did down here, it was declare a mistrial

2106
01:38:31,199 --> 01:38:33,460
allow for the item to go forward.

2107
01:38:33,460 --> 01:38:37,399
I agree with you though that the, the one time if you know,

2108
01:38:37,399 --> 01:38:40,880
Tim is missing because Tim has to be out of the city for

2109
01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:44,710
work or whatever it is, and automatically an item that he

2110
01:38:44,710 --> 01:38:48,460
would want to vote on is now passed on to the city council

2111
01:38:48,460 --> 01:38:49,460
that completely misses maybe

2112
01:38:49,460 --> 01:38:52,479
point or opinions that that'd be important for a seven

2113
01:38:52,479 --> 01:38:55,560
person commission to see or a full voting commission be

2114
01:38:55,560 --> 01:38:58,630
able to see so I agree with you and I would I would support

2115
01:38:58,630 --> 01:39:01,460
a motion table, if that was to come to the floor.

2116
01:39:01,460 --> 01:39:03,460
Commissioner Alice.

2117
01:39:03,460 --> 01:39:06,220
Thank you, Jerry, just to respond to Commissioner Smith, we

2118
01:39:06,220 --> 01:39:08,630
're not really adding more red tape here we're rewriting

2119
01:39:08,630 --> 01:39:10,460
something that's really not broken.

2120
01:39:10,460 --> 01:39:13,739
You know we're not addressing really what is the broken

2121
01:39:13,739 --> 01:39:17,390
items, we're adding, we're adding, we're adding new new

2122
01:39:17,390 --> 01:39:18,460
rules and so yeah,

2123
01:39:18,460 --> 01:39:35,539
to have time to have a question for. Well, yeah, if we

2124
01:39:35,539 --> 01:39:35,770
table this, and this probably goes more to the director or

2125
01:39:35,770 --> 01:39:35,989
maybe even legal. So, what does that entail then we're

2126
01:39:35,989 --> 01:39:36,210
going to give city council opportunity reworded what

2127
01:39:36,210 --> 01:39:37,460
happens if we table.

2128
01:39:37,460 --> 01:39:40,750
Excuse me, if it's if it's tabled, based on the based on

2129
01:39:40,750 --> 01:39:44,119
the discussion we had today we would go back and revise and

2130
01:39:44,119 --> 01:39:47,489
then bring that bring a revised language in front of you to

2131
01:39:47,489 --> 01:39:48,460
consider.

2132
01:39:48,460 --> 01:39:50,460
Good. Thank you.

2133
01:39:50,460 --> 01:39:53,859
So, a couple couple things. This is a public hearing so I

2134
01:39:53,859 --> 01:39:56,859
know it sounds like a lot of family talk up here. But if

2135
01:39:56,859 --> 01:40:00,140
someone has input on how we vote for tie votes, we

2136
01:40:00,140 --> 01:40:03,460
certainly are needing to hear that feedback.

2137
01:40:03,460 --> 01:40:08,529
We need to make that known. We have any more questions of

2138
01:40:08,529 --> 01:40:09,460
staff.

2139
01:40:09,460 --> 01:40:12,930
We can handle that. Commissioner Smith I wanted you to talk

2140
01:40:12,930 --> 01:40:14,880
for close the public hearing if you have questions or

2141
01:40:14,880 --> 01:40:15,460
comments.

2142
01:40:15,460 --> 01:40:19,399
Yeah, I just I would, I'd like to make a comment. Yeah,

2143
01:40:19,399 --> 01:40:23,260
just the to what we discussed second ago, Commissioner

2144
01:40:23,260 --> 01:40:26,699
Allison that, you know, adding or changing perfectly good

2145
01:40:26,699 --> 01:40:28,460
standard procedures now.

2146
01:40:28,460 --> 01:40:31,420
It's we need to have something in there about perpetual rec

2147
01:40:31,420 --> 01:40:34,390
usals because we don't have something in there about petul

2148
01:40:34,390 --> 01:40:37,489
ant recusals, we're going to be whether it's next week, next

2149
01:40:37,489 --> 01:40:40,729
year, 10 years 15 years 20 years down the road this

2150
01:40:40,729 --> 01:40:42,460
planning and zoning commission

2151
01:40:42,460 --> 01:40:45,609
is a recommending body will run into another petulant recus

2152
01:40:45,609 --> 01:40:48,739
als at some point in time, there should be something, but I

2153
01:40:48,739 --> 01:40:51,710
believe, and I would like to direct city staff to create

2154
01:40:51,710 --> 01:40:54,819
something that makes this point adjust to perpetual recus

2155
01:40:54,819 --> 01:40:56,460
als or extended absences.

2156
01:40:56,460 --> 01:40:59,699
Yes, I also wanted to state that it was a to me it was a

2157
01:40:59,699 --> 01:41:03,470
very unique situation. I mean the fact that we didn't have

2158
01:41:03,470 --> 01:41:06,789
any kind of regulations directing it shows that it was a

2159
01:41:06,789 --> 01:41:08,460
very unique situation.

2160
01:41:08,460 --> 01:41:12,789
So we should look at it as a unique situation only happened

2161
01:41:12,789 --> 01:41:16,260
once. And, and so that we can go ahead and like like

2162
01:41:16,260 --> 01:41:19,869
Commissioner Ellis is, you know, let's just talk look at

2163
01:41:19,869 --> 01:41:20,460
that.

2164
01:41:20,460 --> 01:41:23,359
And if we don't agree on the first meeting, carry it on to

2165
01:41:23,359 --> 01:41:26,390
the second, there's possibilities that one of the other

2166
01:41:26,390 --> 01:41:29,609
commissioners might change their mind after thinking about

2167
01:41:29,609 --> 01:41:32,880
it, but to table it at that first meeting and send it to

2168
01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:35,460
the city council I think to me is kind of rapid.

2169
01:41:35,460 --> 01:41:39,210
So let's go ahead, send it, look at it again and if there's

2170
01:41:39,210 --> 01:41:43,079
in that particular situation. You know we had one one

2171
01:41:43,079 --> 01:41:46,510
commissioner that was not never going to come back on that

2172
01:41:46,510 --> 01:41:50,159
particular issue, then we still vote on it a second time

2173
01:41:50,159 --> 01:41:56,460
and then send it on to the city council.

2174
01:41:56,460 --> 01:42:04,260
So I don't see any other questions for Julie Thank you very

2175
01:42:04,260 --> 01:42:06,140
much. Again this is a public hearing, if anyone wishes to

2176
01:42:06,140 --> 01:42:06,460
speak, let me do so.

2177
01:42:06,460 --> 01:42:10,140
Commissioner Ellis I see that you have one take a motion

2178
01:42:10,140 --> 01:42:13,760
just for my staff clarification we're gonna leave the

2179
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:17,899
public hearing, open, depending on what your motion is, if

2180
01:42:17,899 --> 01:42:21,920
it is a motion to continue. If you didn't have a continuous

2181
01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:25,739
for date certain at next meeting or something along those

2182
01:42:25,739 --> 01:42:26,460
lines.

2183
01:42:26,460 --> 01:42:29,189
If that is your motion I don't assume, but you have the

2184
01:42:29,189 --> 01:42:29,460
floor.

2185
01:42:29,460 --> 01:42:34,170
So, to table the item to the next planning and zoning

2186
01:42:34,170 --> 01:42:39,140
meeting to give staff a chance to address our concerns

2187
01:42:39,140 --> 01:42:43,460
brought up at work session and this meeting.

2188
01:42:43,460 --> 01:42:45,460
Sir, you have.

2189
01:42:45,460 --> 01:42:48,460
You can come down.

2190
01:42:48,460 --> 01:42:52,460
If you just say your name and address.

2191
01:42:52,460 --> 01:42:57,630
I'm a member of the council of the city council members on

2192
01:42:57,630 --> 01:43:02,479
7909 rodeo drive. Did I hear correctly that you that the

2193
01:43:02,479 --> 01:43:07,270
staff recommended that the whole council had to be present

2194
01:43:07,270 --> 01:43:09,460
at the future meeting.

2195
01:43:09,460 --> 01:43:13,409
That's what I thought I saw you read, and it. And if that

2196
01:43:13,409 --> 01:43:17,270
is the case that issue needs to be addressed, because in

2197
01:43:17,270 --> 01:43:21,310
the case where I believe you said something about a council

2198
01:43:21,310 --> 01:43:25,460
member being sick or out of commission for a long time.

2199
01:43:25,460 --> 01:43:28,460
That person, the whole council would not be present.

2200
01:43:28,460 --> 01:43:29,460
That's my point.

2201
01:43:29,460 --> 01:43:31,460
Christian.

2202
01:43:31,460 --> 01:43:37,739
I'm sure it's like the, yeah, the wording is just for a for

2203
01:43:37,739 --> 01:43:43,020
not to not to limit a super majority when it gets to

2204
01:43:43,020 --> 01:43:44,460
council.

2205
01:43:44,460 --> 01:43:48,020
And so it's I'm getting counseling commission. Yeah, yeah.

2206
01:43:48,020 --> 01:43:49,460
So we're the commission to city council.

2207
01:43:49,460 --> 01:43:54,819
Yeah, my point is is that I believe the language said that

2208
01:43:54,819 --> 01:43:59,729
that the issue would be moved to a future meeting here

2209
01:43:59,729 --> 01:44:03,460
until a entire commission was here.

2210
01:44:03,460 --> 01:44:06,579
And if you actually look right there, the city code section

2211
01:44:06,579 --> 01:44:10,140
to to 29. It does say that that is the current standing

2212
01:44:10,140 --> 01:44:13,680
city council code that issue needs to be addressed because

2213
01:44:13,680 --> 01:44:15,460
if someone can't be here.

2214
01:44:15,460 --> 01:44:20,460
Yep. And that's what we're that's what we're working on.

2215
01:44:20,460 --> 01:44:23,460
Appreciate you appreciate you input. Yeah, thank you.

2216
01:44:23,460 --> 01:44:26,539
So we have a motion on the floor and just to clarify, you

2217
01:44:26,539 --> 01:44:29,460
're wanting to continue to the next PNC meeting.

2218
01:44:29,460 --> 01:44:33,460
That's your motion. Correct. Okay, Mr. Smith, I second.

2219
01:44:33,460 --> 01:44:48,460
We have a first and a second to continue the item.

2220
01:44:48,460 --> 01:45:12,460
Okay.

2221
01:45:12,460 --> 01:45:19,460
Okay.

2222
01:45:19,460 --> 01:45:22,460
Motion carries seven zero will revisit this at next meeting

2223
01:45:22,460 --> 01:45:25,460
.

2224
01:45:25,460 --> 01:45:28,460
Appreciate that consideration for us handling that briefly.

2225
01:45:28,460 --> 01:45:32,460
That'll move us on to our next item. The original item C.

2226
01:45:32,460 --> 01:45:35,460
Fr 18 dash zero zero nine on right.

2227
01:45:35,460 --> 01:45:39,460
Ron for presentation and I'll open the public hearing.

2228
01:45:39,460 --> 01:46:07,460
Okay.

2229
01:46:07,460 --> 01:46:22,460
Okay.

2230
01:46:22,460 --> 01:46:23,460
Chair members of the commission.

2231
01:46:23,460 --> 01:46:27,770
This item for your consideration this evening is a request

2232
01:46:27,770 --> 01:46:29,460
for a final replat a residential replat.

2233
01:46:29,460 --> 01:46:34,399
The total area of the residential area is about a quarter

2234
01:46:34,399 --> 01:46:37,460
of the city of downtown downtown.

2235
01:46:37,460 --> 01:46:40,560
The total area of the residential area is DR two downtown

2236
01:46:40,560 --> 01:46:44,460
residential to is possibly point two eight nine acres.

2237
01:46:44,460 --> 01:46:49,149
And again, generally on the east side Bernard approximately

2238
01:46:49,149 --> 01:46:52,460
350 feet just north of Eagle Drive.

2239
01:46:52,460 --> 01:46:56,100
And the residential area is about a quarter of the city of

2240
01:46:56,100 --> 01:46:59,460
downtown downtown.

2241
01:46:59,460 --> 01:47:02,619
And the residential area is about a quarter of the city of

2242
01:47:02,619 --> 01:47:03,460
downtown.

2243
01:47:03,460 --> 01:47:06,199
And the residential area is about a quarter of the city of

2244
01:47:06,199 --> 01:47:06,460
downtown.

2245
01:47:06,460 --> 01:47:09,199
And the residential area is about a quarter of the city of

2246
01:47:09,199 --> 01:47:09,460
downtown.

2247
01:47:09,460 --> 01:47:12,199
And the residential area is about a quarter of the city of

2248
01:47:12,199 --> 01:47:12,460
downtown.

2249
01:47:12,460 --> 01:47:15,199
And the residential area is about a quarter of the city of

2250
01:47:15,199 --> 01:47:15,460
downtown.

2251
01:47:15,460 --> 01:47:18,199
And the residential area is about a quarter of the city of

2252
01:47:18,199 --> 01:47:18,460
downtown.

2253
01:47:18,460 --> 01:47:21,619
And the residential area is about a quarter of the city of

2254
01:47:21,619 --> 01:47:22,460
downtown.

2255
01:47:22,460 --> 01:47:25,199
And the residential area is about a quarter of the city of

2256
01:47:25,199 --> 01:47:25,460
downtown.

2257
01:47:25,460 --> 01:47:28,199
And the residential area is about a quarter of the city of

2258
01:47:28,199 --> 01:47:28,460
downtown.

2259
01:47:28,460 --> 01:47:31,199
And the residential area is about a quarter of the city of

2260
01:47:31,199 --> 01:47:31,460
downtown.

2261
01:47:31,460 --> 01:47:34,199
And the residential area is about a quarter of the city of

2262
01:47:34,199 --> 01:47:34,460
downtown.

2263
01:47:34,460 --> 01:47:37,199
And the residential area is about a quarter of the city of

2264
01:47:37,199 --> 01:47:37,460
downtown.

2265
01:47:37,460 --> 01:47:40,199
And the residential area is about a quarter of the city of

2266
01:47:40,199 --> 01:47:40,460
downtown.

2267
01:47:40,460 --> 01:47:43,199
And the residential area is about a quarter of the city of

2268
01:47:43,199 --> 01:47:43,460
downtown.

2269
01:47:43,460 --> 01:47:47,449
And the residential area is about a quarter of the city of

2270
01:47:47,449 --> 01:47:48,460
downtown.

2271
01:47:48,460 --> 01:47:52,789
Seeing none, I will close the public hearing and open for

2272
01:47:52,789 --> 01:47:53,460
motion or discussion.

2273
01:47:53,460 --> 01:47:55,460
Commissioner Beck.

2274
01:47:55,460 --> 01:47:59,460
I move we approve FR18-009.

2275
01:47:59,460 --> 01:48:00,460
Commissioner Pernetta.

2276
01:48:00,460 --> 01:48:01,460
I second that.

2277
01:48:01,460 --> 01:48:05,460
We have a first and a second. Any discussion?

2278
01:48:05,460 --> 01:48:08,460
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote on the board.

2279
01:48:13,460 --> 01:48:16,460
Motion carries 7-0.

2280
01:48:19,460 --> 01:48:23,619
Next item on the agenda is the original item D, which is Z

2281
01:48:23,619 --> 01:48:27,460
17-004B,

2282
01:48:27,460 --> 01:48:34,460
as well as item E, S17-008B.

2283
01:48:34,460 --> 01:48:38,020
At this time, we're going to open both public hearings for

2284
01:48:38,020 --> 01:48:39,460
item D and E.

2285
01:48:39,460 --> 01:48:43,460
And we'll hear a presentation concerning both together.

2286
01:48:43,460 --> 01:48:45,460
We will public hear both together.

2287
01:48:45,460 --> 01:48:49,020
We'll close out each one and vote independently for the

2288
01:48:49,020 --> 01:48:50,460
zoning and then the SUP.

2289
01:48:50,460 --> 01:48:53,819
And I'll invite Cindy Jackson for presentation and open the

2290
01:48:53,819 --> 01:48:54,460
public hearings.

2291
01:48:54,460 --> 01:48:56,460
Thank you, Chairman, members of the commission.

2292
01:48:56,460 --> 01:48:59,460
Let me pull up my presentation.

2293
01:49:09,460 --> 01:49:28,460
Okay.

2294
01:49:28,460 --> 01:49:34,710
This is, as you noted, I am going to be giving a

2295
01:49:34,710 --> 01:49:37,460
presentation for two public hearings,

2296
01:49:37,460 --> 01:49:43,460
Z17-0004, which is a request to provide the initial zoning

2297
01:49:43,460 --> 01:49:47,600
designation of neighborhood residential 6 district to

2298
01:49:47,600 --> 01:49:50,460
approximately 118.04 acres of land,

2299
01:49:50,460 --> 01:49:56,710
and S17-0008, a request for a specific use permit for a

2300
01:49:56,710 --> 01:50:00,470
manufactured housing development on approximately 126.1

2301
01:50:00,470 --> 01:50:01,460
acres of land.

2302
01:50:01,460 --> 01:50:06,020
The subject site is located on the north side of East McKin

2303
01:50:06,020 --> 01:50:09,460
ney Street and the west side of Trinity.

2304
01:50:09,460 --> 01:50:12,460
You'll note this dotted line here.

2305
01:50:12,460 --> 01:50:15,550
When we are discussing the zoning case, which we'll be

2306
01:50:15,550 --> 01:50:19,390
doing first, we will be discussing all the land that is

2307
01:50:19,390 --> 01:50:21,460
north of this dotted line.

2308
01:50:21,460 --> 01:50:28,500
When we are discussing the SUP, the dotted line goes away

2309
01:50:28,500 --> 01:50:34,460
and it's everything within the yellow shape.

2310
01:50:34,460 --> 01:50:39,630
The request is for an initial zoning of this 118-acre site.

2311
01:50:39,630 --> 01:50:44,140
It's currently zoned RD5X. That's the holding zoning

2312
01:50:44,140 --> 01:50:48,630
designation, which was given to it when it was annexed into

2313
01:50:48,630 --> 01:50:51,460
the city in August of last year.

2314
01:50:51,460 --> 01:50:55,460
That is a placeholder zoning.

2315
01:50:55,460 --> 01:51:00,340
The request for the NR6 zoning is actually an extension of

2316
01:51:00,340 --> 01:51:05,460
the existing NR6 that is located along McKinney Street.

2317
01:51:05,460 --> 01:51:12,390
This area, as you can see on this slide, was zoned NR6

2318
01:51:12,390 --> 01:51:18,460
during the 2002 citywide rezoning.

2319
01:51:18,460 --> 01:51:22,770
The applicant has prepared a concept plan for the site. The

2320
01:51:22,770 --> 01:51:29,409
total land area is 126.1 gross acres, of which 118.04 is

2321
01:51:29,409 --> 01:51:32,460
the subject of this zoning request.

2322
01:51:32,460 --> 01:51:37,930
The proposed development will be developed in three phases.

2323
01:51:37,930 --> 01:51:43,829
It will accommodate 497 stands for manufactured and modular

2324
01:51:43,829 --> 01:51:49,079
housing and six one-acre lots, which will be developed with

2325
01:51:49,079 --> 01:51:51,460
single-family homes.

2326
01:51:51,460 --> 01:51:59,520
The applicant is proposing to preserve all 18.5 acres of E

2327
01:51:59,520 --> 01:52:04,619
SA that is on the site. The applicant is proposing to

2328
01:52:04,619 --> 01:52:09,460
provide 15.4 acres of open space, as shown in the red.

2329
01:52:09,460 --> 01:52:14,630
The manufactured housing, 497 stands, you can see will be

2330
01:52:14,630 --> 01:52:19,000
in the yellow areas. The applicant is providing six one-

2331
01:52:19,000 --> 01:52:22,460
acre single-family lots along Trinity.

2332
01:52:22,460 --> 01:52:29,050
They will serve as a transition between the property to the

2333
01:52:29,050 --> 01:52:35,329
east and the manufactured housing park. The proposed

2334
01:52:35,329 --> 01:52:41,930
overall density of the site is four dwelling units per acre

2335
01:52:41,930 --> 01:52:42,460
.

2336
01:52:42,460 --> 01:52:47,039
When looking at a request to rezone, there are criteria

2337
01:52:47,039 --> 01:52:51,609
that we must consider in the Denton Development Code,

2338
01:52:51,609 --> 01:52:54,460
Section 35.34(b).

2339
01:52:54,460 --> 01:53:00,199
Specifically, the proposed rezoning must conform to the

2340
01:53:00,199 --> 01:53:05,470
future land use element of the site, and the proposed

2341
01:53:05,470 --> 01:53:11,699
zoning facilitates the adequate provision of transportation

2342
01:53:11,699 --> 01:53:17,090
, water, sewer, schools, parks, and other public

2343
01:53:17,090 --> 01:53:21,460
requirements and public convenience.

2344
01:53:21,460 --> 01:53:27,239
The site is designated low residential on the future land

2345
01:53:27,239 --> 01:53:30,460
use map, as you can see here.

2346
01:53:30,460 --> 01:53:33,630
The intent of low residential is to promote single-family

2347
01:53:33,630 --> 01:53:36,529
housing with lot sizes ranging from one acre or more in

2348
01:53:36,529 --> 01:53:39,460
rural areas with a density of four units per acre.

2349
01:53:39,460 --> 01:53:44,520
The proposed NR6 zoning district meets the intent of the

2350
01:53:44,520 --> 01:53:49,279
future land use designation only when coupled with the

2351
01:53:49,279 --> 01:53:54,340
conditions for approval, which limit the density to four

2352
01:53:54,340 --> 01:53:57,460
dwelling units per gross acre.

2353
01:53:57,460 --> 01:54:00,430
The proposed zoning is to be a continuation of the NR6

2354
01:54:00,430 --> 01:54:03,520
district located on the south side of the site. The uses

2355
01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:06,850
permitted in the NR6 district would be consistent with the

2356
01:54:06,850 --> 01:54:09,710
uses that exist today in the area, however at a lower

2357
01:54:09,710 --> 01:54:10,460
density.

2358
01:54:10,460 --> 01:54:21,550
Ashley Oaks is a mobile home park with 624 stands and a

2359
01:54:21,550 --> 01:54:31,609
density of 5.99 dwelling units per acre. Denton Falls, I

2360
01:54:31,609 --> 01:54:32,210
believe is what it's called down here, is a mobile home

2361
01:54:32,210 --> 01:54:32,909
park which has approximately 188 stands with a density of 5

2362
01:54:32,909 --> 01:54:33,460
.12 dwelling units per acre.

2363
01:54:33,460 --> 01:54:37,279
Well, this isn't a mobile home park, it is a modular and

2364
01:54:37,279 --> 01:54:41,310
manufactured home park which is providing amenities that

2365
01:54:41,310 --> 01:54:45,460
you would normally see in a single-family subdivision.

2366
01:54:45,460 --> 01:54:53,850
The density of the proposed park is also significantly

2367
01:54:53,850 --> 01:55:02,460
lower than the adjacent manufactured housing parks.

2368
01:55:02,460 --> 01:55:07,069
16 notices were sent out via certified mail within 200 feet

2369
01:55:07,069 --> 01:55:10,960
of the property and 19 notices were sent out, courtesy

2370
01:55:10,960 --> 01:55:14,460
notices within 500 feet of the property.

2371
01:55:14,460 --> 01:55:19,630
We received two responses in opposition which comprise 28%

2372
01:55:19,630 --> 01:55:24,460
of the land area located within the 200 foot buffer.

2373
01:55:24,460 --> 01:55:29,460
You can see these areas here and here.

2374
01:55:29,460 --> 01:55:33,460
Three signs were posted on the site as well.

2375
01:55:33,460 --> 01:55:38,710
Now because of the fact that the 28% of the land within the

2376
01:55:38,710 --> 01:55:44,399
200 foot buffer is in opposition, this will require a super

2377
01:55:44,399 --> 01:55:48,460
majority vote of the City Council when it moves forward.

2378
01:55:48,460 --> 01:55:56,460
Staff recommends approval of Z17-004 subject to conditions.

2379
01:55:56,460 --> 01:55:59,380
These conditions will bring the site into compliance with

2380
01:55:59,380 --> 01:56:02,460
the goals and objectives of the Denton Plan 2030.

2381
01:56:02,460 --> 01:56:05,510
The proposed conditions for approval are that an overlay be

2382
01:56:05,510 --> 01:56:08,460
placed on the property with the following requirements.

2383
01:56:08,460 --> 01:56:12,020
Maximum permitted density on the site shall be no more than

2384
01:56:12,020 --> 01:56:14,460
four dwelling units per gross acre.

2385
01:56:14,460 --> 01:56:16,460
Permitted land uses on the site.

2386
01:56:16,460 --> 01:56:19,460
Modular and manufactured homes as shown on the concept plan

2387
01:56:19,460 --> 01:56:19,460
.

2388
01:56:19,460 --> 01:56:25,000
And six single family detached housing lots on a minimum

2389
01:56:25,000 --> 01:56:29,460
one acre lot located along South Trinity.

2390
01:56:29,460 --> 01:56:33,460
Okay. That concludes the first public hearing.

2391
01:56:33,460 --> 01:56:39,109
The second public hearing is S17-00808, request for

2392
01:56:39,109 --> 01:56:42,500
specific use permit for manufactured housing development on

2393
01:56:42,500 --> 01:56:44,460
126.1 acres of land.

2394
01:56:44,460 --> 01:56:48,229
You'll note the red dashed line is gone and we are

2395
01:56:48,229 --> 01:56:52,460
considering the entire site in the yellow shape.

2396
01:56:52,460 --> 01:56:56,170
The subject site is generally located north of East McKin

2397
01:56:56,170 --> 01:57:02,460
ney and west of South Trinity Road.

2398
01:57:02,460 --> 01:57:05,460
Here again is the proposed concept plan.

2399
01:57:05,460 --> 01:57:08,460
I'm just going to go over it really quickly.

2400
01:57:08,460 --> 01:57:11,460
126.1 gross acres.

2401
01:57:11,460 --> 01:57:16,460
They're proposing to preserve 18.5 acres of ESA.

2402
01:57:16,460 --> 01:57:21,460
They're proposing to provide 15.4 acres of open space.

2403
01:57:21,460 --> 01:57:26,720
497 stands within the park and six one acre lots along

2404
01:57:26,720 --> 01:57:31,649
Trinity for an overall density of four dwelling units per

2405
01:57:31,649 --> 01:57:32,460
acre.

2406
01:57:32,460 --> 01:57:35,460
The site will actually take access from McKinney Street.

2407
01:57:35,460 --> 01:57:39,460
We've got two entrances along McKinney Street.

2408
01:57:39,460 --> 01:57:44,460
One is a right in, right out and one is a full entrance.

2409
01:57:44,460 --> 01:57:47,680
The applicant will install two left turn lanes into the

2410
01:57:47,680 --> 01:57:49,460
site from McKinney Street.

2411
01:57:49,460 --> 01:57:54,100
The ultimate right of way for Post Oak equating 1,100

2412
01:57:54,100 --> 01:57:58,460
linear feet parallel to the subject site right along here

2413
01:57:58,460 --> 01:58:01,460
will be dedicated with this project.

2414
01:58:01,460 --> 01:58:05,729
The four lane intersection of Post Oak with McKinney Street

2415
01:58:05,729 --> 01:58:09,670
with a transition to two lanes will be constructed with

2416
01:58:09,670 --> 01:58:13,000
this project at the time of the McKinney Street

2417
01:58:13,000 --> 01:58:14,460
improvements.

2418
01:58:14,460 --> 01:58:18,020
There are two planned access points along Post Oak, a right

2419
01:58:18,020 --> 01:58:22,079
in and right out closest to the intersection and then a

2420
01:58:22,079 --> 01:58:24,460
full access entry right here.

2421
01:58:24,460 --> 01:58:29,840
Now you will note that there is an exit off of an entrance

2422
01:58:29,840 --> 01:58:35,579
off of Trinity that is a restricted access entrance that is

2423
01:58:35,579 --> 01:58:41,079
only to be used by emergency medical services and police

2424
01:58:41,079 --> 01:58:42,460
department.

2425
01:58:42,460 --> 01:58:46,020
When we look at an SUP and consider whether or not it

2426
01:58:46,020 --> 01:58:50,260
should be approved, we look at the criteria for approval in

2427
01:58:50,260 --> 01:58:53,460
section 35.6.4.

2428
01:58:53,460 --> 01:58:56,289
Compatibility analysis between the surrounding property and

2429
01:58:56,289 --> 01:58:58,460
the requested use including the following.

2430
01:58:58,460 --> 01:59:01,500
The specific use will not impede the normal and orderly

2431
01:59:01,500 --> 01:59:04,829
development of surrounding and vacant property, parking

2432
01:59:04,829 --> 01:59:08,210
generation of traffic and access, nuisance prevention,

2433
01:59:08,210 --> 01:59:17,460
landscaping and screening, and architectural compatibility.

2434
01:59:17,460 --> 01:59:20,609
With the proposed density of four dwelling units per acre,

2435
01:59:20,609 --> 01:59:23,520
this proposed development has a lower density than the

2436
01:59:23,520 --> 01:59:26,460
mobile home parks that are located on either side.

2437
01:59:26,460 --> 01:59:29,899
The applicant has included six acres located on the west

2438
01:59:29,899 --> 01:59:33,390
side of South Trinity which are to be developed as single

2439
01:59:33,390 --> 01:59:34,460
family homes.

2440
01:59:34,460 --> 01:59:38,460
These will provide greater compatibility towards the east.

2441
01:59:38,460 --> 01:59:41,600
The applicant in response to concerns expressed by

2442
01:59:41,600 --> 01:59:45,170
residents in the area has eliminated access to and from the

2443
01:59:45,170 --> 01:59:48,819
site via Trinity Road except for our gated emergency access

2444
01:59:48,819 --> 01:59:49,460
site.

2445
01:59:49,460 --> 01:59:52,220
Water will be available from McKinney Street and

2446
01:59:52,220 --> 01:59:55,319
improvements to the lift station located on Trinity may be

2447
01:59:55,319 --> 01:59:57,460
necessary with this development.

2448
01:59:57,460 --> 02:00:02,960
The proposed development also complies with element seven

2449
02:00:02,960 --> 02:00:08,569
of the Denton Plan 2030 with regards to encouraging

2450
02:00:08,569 --> 02:00:13,739
different housing types, different housing costs and

2451
02:00:13,739 --> 02:00:15,460
location choices.

2452
02:00:15,460 --> 02:00:20,079
And again, we did send out notices within 200 feet, we sent

2453
02:00:20,079 --> 02:00:24,850
17 notices via certified mail and within 500 feet we sent

2454
02:00:24,850 --> 02:00:27,460
20 notices via regular mail.

2455
02:00:27,460 --> 02:00:32,460
We received in response, one in response in opposition.

2456
02:00:32,460 --> 02:00:37,779
You can see it right here and this again comprises 28% of

2457
02:00:37,779 --> 02:00:43,460
the land area within the 200 feet of the property and will

2458
02:00:43,460 --> 02:00:47,460
require a super majority of the council.

2459
02:00:47,460 --> 02:00:51,460
The applicant also held two neighborhood meetings.

2460
02:00:51,460 --> 02:00:56,390
One was last November and one was actually last, just

2461
02:00:56,390 --> 02:00:57,460
Monday night.

2462
02:00:57,460 --> 02:01:05,079
Synopsis of the meeting on Monday night was handed out

2463
02:01:05,079 --> 02:01:08,460
during the work session.

2464
02:01:08,460 --> 02:01:11,619
Staff recommends approval of this request subject to the

2465
02:01:11,619 --> 02:01:13,460
conditions in exhibit seven.

2466
02:01:13,460 --> 02:01:17,399
These are the requirements and I can read them out loud if

2467
02:01:17,399 --> 02:01:18,460
you'd like.

2468
02:01:18,460 --> 02:01:20,460
That concludes my presentation.

2469
02:01:20,460 --> 02:01:23,460
The applicant is present as well.

2470
02:01:23,460 --> 02:01:25,460
Thank you Cindy. We do have a question Commissioner Begg.

2471
02:01:25,460 --> 02:01:29,460
Thank you Chair. Thanks Cindy for your presentation.

2472
02:01:29,460 --> 02:01:32,590
I would like you to elaborate on a little bit because we've

2473
02:01:32,590 --> 02:01:36,170
seen some of the opposition to it and I hope to clear it up

2474
02:01:36,170 --> 02:01:36,460
.

2475
02:01:36,460 --> 02:01:39,460
If you could explain a few things.

2476
02:01:39,460 --> 02:01:44,199
Explain why there is a trailer park, a true trailer park in

2477
02:01:44,199 --> 02:01:46,460
an NR2 zone right now.

2478
02:01:46,460 --> 02:01:50,140
The Ashley Park or whatever it is to the west of this

2479
02:01:50,140 --> 02:01:51,460
development.

2480
02:01:51,460 --> 02:02:00,979
Well, Ashley Oaks was actually developed in 1985 and it was

2481
02:02:00,979 --> 02:02:06,460
rezoned to NR2 during the 2002 citywide rezoning.

2482
02:02:06,460 --> 02:02:10,460
Quite frankly, I'm not sure why it was rezoned to NR2

2483
02:02:10,460 --> 02:02:14,460
except perhaps to comply with the future land use

2484
02:02:14,460 --> 02:02:18,600
designation of the site because the actual use doesn't

2485
02:02:18,600 --> 02:02:20,460
comply with it.

2486
02:02:20,460 --> 02:02:24,789
This second park down here was recently annexed into the

2487
02:02:24,789 --> 02:02:25,460
city.

2488
02:02:25,460 --> 02:02:29,020
It was developed in the county and it has a holding zoning

2489
02:02:29,020 --> 02:02:30,460
of RD5X right now.

2490
02:02:30,460 --> 02:02:34,460
But it hasn't been designated as a city. No it hasn't.

2491
02:02:34,460 --> 02:02:38,170
What distinguishes a trailer park from what the developer

2492
02:02:38,170 --> 02:02:39,460
wants to do here?

2493
02:02:39,460 --> 02:02:43,920
Well, when you think of a trailer park, you think of the

2494
02:02:43,920 --> 02:02:49,170
trailer homes that were developed before 1976 that have

2495
02:02:49,170 --> 02:02:52,460
wheels and a metal skirt and are movable.

2496
02:02:52,460 --> 02:03:01,439
They're in parks, on stands, and the amenities, there aren

2497
02:03:01,439 --> 02:03:06,460
't very many amenities in these parks typically.

2498
02:03:06,460 --> 02:03:14,890
The proposed modular home and manufactured home park, they

2499
02:03:14,890 --> 02:03:19,460
will not permit these mobile homes in this park.

2500
02:03:19,460 --> 02:03:22,859
Modular homes are permitted and the city considers modular

2501
02:03:22,859 --> 02:03:25,460
homes to be a single family dwelling unit.

2502
02:03:25,460 --> 02:03:29,430
So they are permitted by right on this site if the site

2503
02:03:29,430 --> 02:03:33,460
were a typical subdivision with lots and blocks.

2504
02:03:33,460 --> 02:03:38,090
Manufactured homes are actually built after 1976. They are

2505
02:03:38,090 --> 02:03:42,390
built according to actual building codes, whereas the

2506
02:03:42,390 --> 02:03:44,460
trailer homes were not.

2507
02:03:44,460 --> 02:03:47,619
These homes are going to be on a permanent engineered

2508
02:03:47,619 --> 02:03:50,460
foundation and affixed to the foundation.

2509
02:03:50,460 --> 02:03:53,460
The applicant can give you more information about that.

2510
02:03:53,460 --> 02:03:59,189
Plus there's an amenity center, parks, open space ESA,

2511
02:03:59,189 --> 02:04:04,579
walking trails, a lot of amenities that are going to be

2512
02:04:04,579 --> 02:04:07,460
provided for the residents.

2513
02:04:07,460 --> 02:04:10,220
And I believe there's plenty of landscaping and there's a

2514
02:04:10,220 --> 02:04:13,149
six foot masonry wall around the whole development, correct

2515
02:04:13,149 --> 02:04:15,460
? Okay.

2516
02:04:15,460 --> 02:04:19,020
I've known several people who lived in mobile homes and

2517
02:04:19,020 --> 02:04:22,609
there's a distinct difference in style and structure and

2518
02:04:22,609 --> 02:04:24,659
everything between them and a modular home and a

2519
02:04:24,659 --> 02:04:27,460
manufactured home, a unapproved manufactured home.

2520
02:04:27,460 --> 02:04:30,250
So there is a difference. Now explain to us, you talked to

2521
02:04:30,250 --> 02:04:33,489
us in the work session about future road expansion, McKin

2522
02:04:33,489 --> 02:04:34,460
ney and so on.

2523
02:04:34,460 --> 02:04:37,210
And I know a lot of citizens are concerned about extra

2524
02:04:37,210 --> 02:04:39,840
traffic and the roads not being able to handle them. So all

2525
02:04:39,840 --> 02:04:42,460
ay some concerns here for us if you can.

2526
02:04:42,460 --> 02:04:52,460
Sure. Let me find that.

2527
02:04:52,460 --> 02:04:54,460
Sorry, it's in one of these.

2528
02:04:54,460 --> 02:04:58,720
The applicant essentially is going to be providing two left

2529
02:04:58,720 --> 02:05:02,460
turn lanes along McKinney to access the site.

2530
02:05:02,460 --> 02:05:08,779
They are going to be providing the full width of post oak

2531
02:05:08,779 --> 02:05:13,460
along that runs along this site here.

2532
02:05:13,460 --> 02:05:16,460
They're also going to develop two lanes of it.

2533
02:05:16,460 --> 02:05:20,850
They're going to develop the intersection of post oak and

2534
02:05:20,850 --> 02:05:25,460
McKinney and they are going to provide a traffic signal.

2535
02:05:25,460 --> 02:05:30,789
They are going to build a concrete path along McKinney to

2536
02:05:30,789 --> 02:05:35,340
Ryan High School so that children can walk to school and

2537
02:05:35,340 --> 02:05:37,460
not be in the right of way.

2538
02:05:37,460 --> 02:05:40,609
Didn't you say McKinney was going to be widened completely

2539
02:05:40,609 --> 02:05:41,460
all the way?

2540
02:05:41,460 --> 02:05:45,460
Well, yes, McKinney is going to be widened.

2541
02:05:45,460 --> 02:05:49,020
It's under designed right now. It's anticipated it will be

2542
02:05:49,020 --> 02:05:51,460
widened within two years.

2543
02:05:51,460 --> 02:05:58,460
That will coincide with the development of phase one.

2544
02:05:58,460 --> 02:06:02,399
Also, the improvements to Mayhill are anticipated to be

2545
02:06:02,399 --> 02:06:04,460
completed by that time as well.

2546
02:06:04,460 --> 02:06:08,789
It's expected that when this opens up, there will be little

2547
02:06:08,789 --> 02:06:12,460
impact to the actual traffic conditions because of the fact

2548
02:06:12,460 --> 02:06:16,050
that all the widening and road improvements will have taken

2549
02:06:16,050 --> 02:06:16,460
place.

2550
02:06:16,460 --> 02:06:20,939
Okay, and lastly, in your backup material concerning post

2551
02:06:20,939 --> 02:06:24,260
oak, it's going to come on the west side between this

2552
02:06:24,260 --> 02:06:26,460
development and the Ashley Park Trader Park.

2553
02:06:26,460 --> 02:06:30,039
You say the four lane intersection of post oak and McKinney

2554
02:06:30,039 --> 02:06:33,460
with a transition to two lanes will be constructed.

2555
02:06:33,460 --> 02:06:36,470
So is it going from four lanes on the south side of McKin

2556
02:06:36,470 --> 02:06:38,460
ney to two lanes at that point?

2557
02:06:38,460 --> 02:06:41,899
That's right and the applicant can probably speak more to

2558
02:06:41,899 --> 02:06:42,460
that.

2559
02:06:42,460 --> 02:06:44,489
Okay, okay, because it was my understanding post oak was

2560
02:06:44,489 --> 02:06:45,460
going to be four lanes.

2561
02:06:45,460 --> 02:06:46,460
Yes, it is.

2562
02:06:46,460 --> 02:06:47,460
Okay, all right.

2563
02:06:47,460 --> 02:06:48,460
I don't want to wait for that.

2564
02:06:48,460 --> 02:06:52,460
It is, but up to their property. They'll build their half.

2565
02:06:52,460 --> 02:06:55,460
Okay, okay, gotcha. Thanks.

2566
02:06:55,460 --> 02:06:56,460
Commissioner Smith.

2567
02:06:56,460 --> 02:06:57,460
Thank you, Chair.

2568
02:06:57,460 --> 02:07:00,460
So if I could just do some quick math with you here.

2569
02:07:00,460 --> 02:07:01,460
Can you go back a couple slides?

2570
02:07:01,460 --> 02:07:05,460
There was, we were talking about open space and the ESA.

2571
02:07:05,460 --> 02:07:09,640
So 126 gross acres, 118 is being proposed for zoning, but

2572
02:07:09,640 --> 02:07:11,460
we'll just take the gross acres.

2573
02:07:11,460 --> 02:07:15,960
We take out the ESA and the open space acres that leaves us

2574
02:07:15,960 --> 02:07:18,460
with 92.1 acres left.

2575
02:07:18,460 --> 02:07:23,039
And so that's 92.1 acres that's being considered for the SU

2576
02:07:23,039 --> 02:07:23,460
P.

2577
02:07:23,460 --> 02:07:24,460
Yes.

2578
02:07:24,460 --> 02:07:26,640
If hypothetically that was to be fully developed and we

2579
02:07:26,640 --> 02:07:29,460
were actually to look at it and break it down to an actual,

2580
02:07:29,460 --> 02:07:31,460
how many units per acre of that 92?

2581
02:07:31,460 --> 02:07:34,149
Now I understand that in the actual calculations we include

2582
02:07:34,149 --> 02:07:37,409
ESAs, but for the sake of this conversation and looking at

2583
02:07:37,409 --> 02:07:40,460
just the facade and the feel of the actual development,

2584
02:07:40,460 --> 02:07:42,460
they're only going to be able to develop on 92.1 acres.

2585
02:07:42,460 --> 02:07:43,460
That's correct.

2586
02:07:43,460 --> 02:07:47,930
So with that, if there's 497 of these units, six of them

2587
02:07:47,930 --> 02:07:50,819
being single family being removed from the 503, so sort of

2588
02:07:50,819 --> 02:07:54,460
the 497, that puts us at 5.4 units per acre.

2589
02:07:54,460 --> 02:08:00,739
So it's closer to a feel of an NR6 designation, which is

2590
02:08:00,739 --> 02:08:02,529
what they're looking for, than it is whatever we're

2591
02:08:02,529 --> 02:08:03,460
requesting in staff.

2592
02:08:03,460 --> 02:08:06,460
Staff's recommendations are for a four unit.

2593
02:08:06,460 --> 02:08:09,210
I know we can't limit that because by the standards of

2594
02:08:09,210 --> 02:08:11,460
including the ESA, it's still at the four unit limit.

2595
02:08:11,460 --> 02:08:14,449
But the feel and the look is going to look closer to a six

2596
02:08:14,449 --> 02:08:15,460
unit per acre.

2597
02:08:15,460 --> 02:08:19,409
Well, it depends exactly because of the fact that this is

2598
02:08:19,409 --> 02:08:22,460
what we call like cluster development.

2599
02:08:22,460 --> 02:08:24,460
Yeah, cluster development. That's what the ESAs are.

2600
02:08:24,460 --> 02:08:28,720
Exactly. They're clustering the homes to preserve the ESA,

2601
02:08:28,720 --> 02:08:30,460
to give more open space.

2602
02:08:30,460 --> 02:08:33,460
There is a gas line that goes right through here.

2603
02:08:33,460 --> 02:08:35,460
So they have to avoid that as well.

2604
02:08:35,460 --> 02:08:39,399
I completely get it. I think it's just more or less making

2605
02:08:39,399 --> 02:08:43,460
it known that while yes, limiting it to four units per acre

2606
02:08:43,460 --> 02:08:46,090
, and we may sit here and say, well, we're actually putting

2607
02:08:46,090 --> 02:08:47,460
a limit on there to put a four units per acre.

2608
02:08:47,460 --> 02:08:49,699
The facade and the actual putting boots on the ground and

2609
02:08:49,699 --> 02:08:52,020
standing in the middle of that neighborhood is not going to

2610
02:08:52,020 --> 02:08:53,460
look like four units per acre.

2611
02:08:53,460 --> 02:08:56,890
It wouldn't, if you're right, in the middle of the subdiv

2612
02:08:56,890 --> 02:08:57,460
ision.

2613
02:08:57,460 --> 02:09:05,460
However, the city's definition of density is gross density.

2614
02:09:05,460 --> 02:09:05,460
It's net density.

2615
02:09:05,460 --> 02:09:07,460
I completely agree with you. I get the calculation.

2616
02:09:07,460 --> 02:09:09,739
We've had this conversation before where we've had other

2617
02:09:09,739 --> 02:09:12,520
people who've done the cluster and say, okay, we do realize

2618
02:09:12,520 --> 02:09:15,460
that what we're voting on is not a four unit per acre.

2619
02:09:15,460 --> 02:09:17,289
We're actually voting on something that's going to look

2620
02:09:17,289 --> 02:09:18,460
like 5.4 units per acre.

2621
02:09:18,460 --> 02:09:21,460
But that's the ability to do cluster developments.

2622
02:09:21,460 --> 02:09:24,460
It's completely legal and understood.

2623
02:09:24,460 --> 02:09:27,460
I'm not going to forget that.

2624
02:09:27,460 --> 02:09:31,590
Exactly. He could spread it out and do an alternate ESA

2625
02:09:31,590 --> 02:09:34,460
request and not preserve all of that.

2626
02:09:34,460 --> 02:09:35,460
Oh, yeah, of course. Totally good.

2627
02:09:35,460 --> 02:09:36,460
Yeah.

2628
02:09:36,460 --> 02:09:37,460
Understood. Thank you.

2629
02:09:37,460 --> 02:09:40,460
Commissioner Sanchez.

2630
02:09:40,460 --> 02:09:43,510
When we're talking about modular homes, those are pretty

2631
02:09:43,510 --> 02:09:46,979
much built with the same standards as anybody, any house

2632
02:09:46,979 --> 02:09:48,460
built in Denton, right?

2633
02:09:48,460 --> 02:09:49,460
Yes, they are.

2634
02:09:49,460 --> 02:09:52,310
Can you put in, say, if somebody wanted, can they put a

2635
02:09:52,310 --> 02:09:54,460
modular home inside the city limits?

2636
02:09:54,460 --> 02:09:55,460
They can, right? Yes.

2637
02:09:55,460 --> 02:09:58,460
Okay. So it's allowed by right. It's allowed by right.

2638
02:09:58,460 --> 02:10:01,460
Okay. I just want to make sure. Yes.

2639
02:10:01,460 --> 02:10:02,460
Okay.

2640
02:10:02,460 --> 02:10:03,460
Commissioner Fernetta.

2641
02:10:03,460 --> 02:10:06,859
So I just wanted to verify a lot of the objections that I'm

2642
02:10:06,859 --> 02:10:09,710
seeing that came through were based on the idea that these

2643
02:10:09,710 --> 02:10:10,460
are mobile homes.

2644
02:10:10,460 --> 02:10:12,390
These are actually not mobile homes, correct? They are

2645
02:10:12,390 --> 02:10:13,460
fixed.

2646
02:10:13,460 --> 02:10:16,460
Modular homes. They're manufactured in modular homes.

2647
02:10:16,460 --> 02:10:21,630
Okay. And kind of, I guess, along the lines of what

2648
02:10:21,630 --> 02:10:23,460
Commissioner Smith brought up.

2649
02:10:23,460 --> 02:10:28,100
So rather than it being about, you know, four units per

2650
02:10:28,100 --> 02:10:31,460
acre, it's closer to five and a half.

2651
02:10:31,460 --> 02:10:37,460
What are the yard, are there yards with these things or?

2652
02:10:37,460 --> 02:10:40,850
With a stamp, it follows the requirements for our

2653
02:10:40,850 --> 02:10:45,079
manufactured housing development and the yard requirements

2654
02:10:45,079 --> 02:10:46,460
would be in that.

2655
02:10:46,460 --> 02:10:49,550
I just don't have my code with me right now, but there are

2656
02:10:49,550 --> 02:10:54,630
requirements as far as the minimum and maximum sizes and

2657
02:10:54,630 --> 02:10:56,460
side yards and things like that.

2658
02:10:56,460 --> 02:10:57,460
Okay.

2659
02:10:57,460 --> 02:10:59,810
I'm sorry, I don't have my code. I brought the wrong code

2660
02:10:59,810 --> 02:11:00,460
with me.

2661
02:11:00,460 --> 02:11:02,460
Okay. Well, thank you very much.

2662
02:11:02,460 --> 02:11:07,460
I think we can get clarification up here.

2663
02:11:07,460 --> 02:11:13,460
The there's some basic minimum requirements that are within

2664
02:11:13,460 --> 02:11:18,460
359, subchapter nine, basic minimum requirements area.

2665
02:11:18,460 --> 02:11:21,359
There's no minimum area which develop for manufacturer per

2666
02:11:21,359 --> 02:11:22,460
stand requirements.

2667
02:11:22,460 --> 02:11:28,310
No less than 40 feet in width, no less than 100 feet in

2668
02:11:28,310 --> 02:11:33,239
depth and a minimum area of 5000. So very similar to some

2669
02:11:33,239 --> 02:11:34,460
of our some of our zoning districts.

2670
02:11:34,460 --> 02:11:47,460
And then there are some open minimum front yard of 15 feet.

2671
02:11:47,460 --> 02:11:54,460
And then, you know, two off two off street parking.

2672
02:11:54,460 --> 02:11:56,460
Thank you.

2673
02:11:56,460 --> 02:12:00,140
Mr. Back. This is for Richard more. What was that 15 foot

2674
02:12:00,140 --> 02:12:02,710
was that a setback. And if so, was that front side front

2675
02:12:02,710 --> 02:12:04,460
yard front yard setback. Okay.

2676
02:12:04,460 --> 02:12:12,460
Correct. Yeah, front yard setback shopping 15 feet.

2677
02:12:12,460 --> 02:12:18,079
And then the minimum distance between the homes are 20 feet

2678
02:12:18,079 --> 02:12:18,460
.

2679
02:12:18,460 --> 02:12:24,460
So essentially defaults to a 10 foot side.

2680
02:12:24,460 --> 02:12:28,720
I do not see any more questions for Cindy. Thank you very

2681
02:12:28,720 --> 02:12:29,460
much.

2682
02:12:29,460 --> 02:12:32,210
This is a public hearing. We have several cards of

2683
02:12:32,210 --> 02:12:34,390
individuals wishing to speak and several cards of

2684
02:12:34,390 --> 02:12:36,460
individuals wishing not to speak.

2685
02:12:36,460 --> 02:12:42,560
But first for presentation would be the applicant. I have

2686
02:12:42,560 --> 02:12:45,460
four cards here. Is there four of you or just two. Okay.

2687
02:12:45,460 --> 02:12:51,460
So you're welcome to do you have a presentation.

2688
02:12:51,460 --> 02:12:54,220
Yes, if you just say your name and address for the record

2689
02:12:54,220 --> 02:12:57,539
and then just so you know, you'll have a total of 20

2690
02:12:57,539 --> 02:12:58,460
minutes.

2691
02:12:58,460 --> 02:13:10,739
20 y'all has up to 10. We'll go faster than that. I'm

2692
02:13:10,739 --> 02:13:11,300
Michael Halligan of the woodlands on Spring Creek and champ

2693
02:13:11,300 --> 02:13:12,069
enterprises 14114 Dallas North Parkway Suite 265 Dallas

2694
02:13:12,069 --> 02:13:13,460
Texas 75254.

2695
02:13:13,460 --> 02:13:16,800
For you commissioners that have never worked in

2696
02:13:16,800 --> 02:13:18,460
manufactured housing.

2697
02:13:18,460 --> 02:13:25,590
I'm sorry for the small turnout. I apologize. Normally it's

2698
02:13:25,590 --> 02:13:29,460
much, much greater than this. I blame it on the rain.

2699
02:13:29,460 --> 02:13:37,079
Okay. We've we do all types of housing throughout Texas and

2700
02:13:37,079 --> 02:13:38,460
Tennessee.

2701
02:13:38,460 --> 02:13:42,789
We were the developers originally of the villages of Carmel

2702
02:13:42,789 --> 02:13:47,090
and we also did force Meadows on single family developments

2703
02:13:47,090 --> 02:13:49,460
with a lot of VSA is included.

2704
02:13:49,460 --> 02:13:53,420
We are about to start breaking ground if it ever quits

2705
02:13:53,420 --> 02:13:58,010
raining on the villas of Carmel or doing 400 town homes

2706
02:13:58,010 --> 02:13:58,460
plus.

2707
02:13:58,460 --> 02:14:02,920
And next month we come in for a senior housing deal next to

2708
02:14:02,920 --> 02:14:08,460
Buckees for 200 units. So we do a lot of different things.

2709
02:14:08,460 --> 02:14:10,460
And one of the things we do is manufactured housing.

2710
02:14:10,460 --> 02:14:13,539
Tell the difference between manufactured modular versus a

2711
02:14:13,539 --> 02:14:15,880
site built home for 11 years. I was the host of the

2712
02:14:15,880 --> 02:14:19,460
television series. Your new house on the Discovery Channel.

2713
02:14:19,460 --> 02:14:22,420
I did home buying seminars around the country and I tell

2714
02:14:22,420 --> 02:14:25,310
people the way you can tell the difference when you're

2715
02:14:25,310 --> 02:14:28,609
inside is lean against the longest wall in the house. And

2716
02:14:28,609 --> 02:14:30,920
if the house if the walls wavy, it was built on site. If it

2717
02:14:30,920 --> 02:14:32,460
's straight, it was built in a factory.

2718
02:14:32,460 --> 02:14:35,760
And that's really the difference between manufactured and

2719
02:14:35,760 --> 02:14:40,460
modular. I was looking for a location for this property.

2720
02:14:40,460 --> 02:14:44,210
The reason we picked this one, as you can tell, the things

2721
02:14:44,210 --> 02:14:48,079
in Brown around us are either manufactured communities or

2722
02:14:48,079 --> 02:14:50,899
mobile home parks. And across the street is the utmost

2723
02:14:50,899 --> 02:14:51,460
storage.

2724
02:14:51,460 --> 02:14:54,310
So it seemed kind of like a place where there would not be

2725
02:14:54,310 --> 02:14:57,500
a lot of problems. It was in the ETJ. We were buying it at

2726
02:14:57,500 --> 02:15:00,619
the last minute came up with a development agreement that

2727
02:15:00,619 --> 02:15:02,460
had been signed with the city.

2728
02:15:02,460 --> 02:15:07,359
So we had to annex it in and bring it into the city. We've

2729
02:15:07,359 --> 02:15:11,460
been working on this for the past two years.

2730
02:15:11,460 --> 02:15:14,609
Main thing we wanted you to see when you drove up to this

2731
02:15:14,609 --> 02:15:18,149
community is not the homes. What we wanted you to see is

2732
02:15:18,149 --> 02:15:20,680
walls and trees. That's why it's called the woodlands. That

2733
02:15:20,680 --> 02:15:24,460
's why we're preserving the ESA's. We like trees.

2734
02:15:24,460 --> 02:15:28,090
We're saying let's build a three-foot berm in the front of

2735
02:15:28,090 --> 02:15:31,760
the property. Then let's put a masonry wall on top of that

2736
02:15:31,760 --> 02:15:34,460
berm. And then let's put tree arbors above that wall.

2737
02:15:34,460 --> 02:15:40,239
So what you see from the road is a masonry fence with trees

2738
02:15:40,239 --> 02:15:43,850
and a lot of grass. The whole community is gated and

2739
02:15:43,850 --> 02:15:45,460
actually has security at the gate.

2740
02:15:45,460 --> 02:15:48,310
If you could see through the gate, what do you see? For the

2741
02:15:48,310 --> 02:15:51,119
first hundred plus feet, all you see are trees. No homes

2742
02:15:51,119 --> 02:15:53,760
anywhere around any of the entryways on any of the roads

2743
02:15:53,760 --> 02:15:55,460
going into this community.

2744
02:15:55,460 --> 02:16:00,489
When you get into the community, there's different ways to

2745
02:16:00,489 --> 02:16:04,920
mount a manufactured home or modular home. We want pre-

2746
02:16:04,920 --> 02:16:07,039
engineered foundations just like you would on a site-built

2747
02:16:07,039 --> 02:16:07,460
home.

2748
02:16:07,460 --> 02:16:12,409
We want masonry on what people call the skirting, this area

2749
02:16:12,409 --> 02:16:16,119
below the home down to the ground. So you put up concrete

2750
02:16:16,119 --> 02:16:17,460
block. You put brick on front of that.

2751
02:16:17,460 --> 02:16:20,630
The homes themselves, the frames are welded down to that

2752
02:16:20,630 --> 02:16:24,970
pre-engineered foundation. Can they be moved? Yes, you can

2753
02:16:24,970 --> 02:16:27,140
go in there with the torch and you cut them off and move

2754
02:16:27,140 --> 02:16:27,460
them.

2755
02:16:27,460 --> 02:16:31,399
But most of the time, I think 92% of all the homes that are

2756
02:16:31,399 --> 02:16:34,459
placed somewhere, they never move again.

2757
02:16:34,459 --> 02:16:38,940
So a different look. Also, like our town home communities,

2758
02:16:38,940 --> 02:16:43,229
we take care of all the exterior. So the homeowner doesn't

2759
02:16:43,229 --> 02:16:46,079
cut the grass. They don't have to worry about the flower

2760
02:16:46,079 --> 02:16:46,459
beds.

2761
02:16:46,459 --> 02:16:49,819
If they have a deck or a porch, we take care of the st

2762
02:16:49,819 --> 02:16:54,670
aining and painting. So the whole community has a uniform

2763
02:16:54,670 --> 02:16:55,459
look.

2764
02:16:55,459 --> 02:16:59,139
At this point, I'm going to turn it over to our engineer,

2765
02:16:59,139 --> 02:17:01,459
Brent Murphy from Kimley-Horn.

2766
02:17:01,459 --> 02:17:05,399
Good evening. My name is Brent Murphy with Kimley-Horn, 57

2767
02:17:05,399 --> 02:17:07,459
50 Genesis Court in Frisco.

2768
02:17:07,459 --> 02:17:13,709
First, I'd like to say thank you to staff. We've been

2769
02:17:13,709 --> 02:17:19,989
working with this for over two years and it's been a very

2770
02:17:19,989 --> 02:17:25,459
interesting process and I greatly appreciate it.

2771
02:17:25,459 --> 02:17:29,399
We gave us a lot of input and we spent a lot of time. We

2772
02:17:29,399 --> 02:17:33,440
talked a lot about the land plan. We talked a lot about

2773
02:17:33,440 --> 02:17:34,459
traffic.

2774
02:17:34,459 --> 02:17:37,219
In our neighborhood meetings, we heard a lot of opinions

2775
02:17:37,219 --> 02:17:40,459
and we tried to react. We tried to give it time.

2776
02:17:40,459 --> 02:17:43,239
I've never worked on a project that we spent two years

2777
02:17:43,239 --> 02:17:46,459
zoning the project, but we listened to staff.

2778
02:17:46,459 --> 02:17:49,219
We worked with staff and we listened to the homeowners

2779
02:17:49,219 --> 02:17:51,739
around us to try to appease and address a lot of their

2780
02:17:51,739 --> 02:17:52,459
concerns.

2781
02:17:52,459 --> 02:17:55,819
I just want to say that Cindy's done a great job with us

2782
02:17:55,819 --> 02:17:58,459
and I just can't say thank you enough.

2783
02:17:58,459 --> 02:18:02,049
We're here tonight to present our case, but I can't thank

2784
02:18:02,049 --> 02:18:05,459
her and the staff for all the time they've given us.

2785
02:18:05,459 --> 02:18:10,129
Everybody's busy, but it's taken a lot of time. I just want

2786
02:18:10,129 --> 02:18:13,540
to extend thank you to the staff and let you know how hard

2787
02:18:13,540 --> 02:18:14,459
they work.

2788
02:18:14,459 --> 02:18:19,620
It's almost like they're in the private sector at times. I

2789
02:18:19,620 --> 02:18:24,790
am, so that's what I sign up for and that's some hours, but

2790
02:18:24,790 --> 02:18:26,459
I do appreciate that.

2791
02:18:26,459 --> 02:18:29,459
I want to extend that thank you.

2792
02:18:29,459 --> 02:18:32,430
There's been a lot of discussion about the open space and

2793
02:18:32,430 --> 02:18:34,459
what does the community feel like.

2794
02:18:34,459 --> 02:18:38,200
I want to look at the plan and talk through some of those

2795
02:18:38,200 --> 02:18:42,739
things because when you take 18 acres of ESA, you take 15

2796
02:18:42,739 --> 02:18:46,709
acres of open space, that's about a quarter of the overall

2797
02:18:46,709 --> 02:18:47,459
project.

2798
02:18:47,459 --> 02:18:51,139
I can promise you the client didn't pay for three quarters

2799
02:18:51,139 --> 02:18:54,459
of the property. They paid for the full thing.

2800
02:18:54,459 --> 02:18:57,540
There is a sense, we do a lot of planning across DFW and a

2801
02:18:57,540 --> 02:19:01,059
lot of different types of projects, master plan communities

2802
02:19:01,059 --> 02:19:01,459
.

2803
02:19:01,459 --> 02:19:05,219
I tell you what, when you have one little pocket park under

2804
02:19:05,219 --> 02:19:10,049
your entry, the feel changes. It changes the person's, they

2805
02:19:10,049 --> 02:19:13,459
're proud of where they live.

2806
02:19:13,459 --> 02:19:16,940
It's kind of amazing how just a little bit of green space

2807
02:19:16,940 --> 02:19:22,450
makes people proud. Trees, plant a lot of trees to do that.

2808
02:19:22,450 --> 02:19:23,459
It's not cheap to do that.

2809
02:19:23,459 --> 02:19:28,719
We're trying to pull off this look for the woodlands and

2810
02:19:28,719 --> 02:19:32,069
the vision we want to see. There's a lot of effort to go

2811
02:19:32,069 --> 02:19:32,459
into that.

2812
02:19:32,459 --> 02:19:36,719
If you're in the middle of the western pod, will it feel a

2813
02:19:36,719 --> 02:19:39,459
little more dense? Yes.

2814
02:19:39,459 --> 02:19:44,159
We've broken the project up by identifying these key areas

2815
02:19:44,159 --> 02:19:48,459
and tree lines and ESAs to create some nice open space.

2816
02:19:48,459 --> 02:19:52,760
Kids can get to open spaces, have some passive areas for

2817
02:19:52,760 --> 02:19:56,260
play. Our whole plan is to have trails that get them to

2818
02:19:56,260 --> 02:19:57,459
these locations.

2819
02:19:57,459 --> 02:20:01,739
It's one thing to have green belts. It's another thing to

2820
02:20:01,739 --> 02:20:05,459
actually design to use them and whether they're utilized.

2821
02:20:05,459 --> 02:20:09,579
A lot of times we're doing projects where the open spaces

2822
02:20:09,579 --> 02:20:11,459
are just one big park.

2823
02:20:11,459 --> 02:20:15,930
We're trying to space them out. We're trying to identify

2824
02:20:15,930 --> 02:20:19,459
corners of different blocks to soften it.

2825
02:20:19,459 --> 02:20:22,340
I just want to point those things out. We've talked a lot

2826
02:20:22,340 --> 02:20:24,459
about some of the points of the project.

2827
02:20:24,459 --> 02:20:29,459
We're building a 4,500 square foot of a mini center.

2828
02:20:29,459 --> 02:20:31,459
Sometimes used, sometimes not.

2829
02:20:31,459 --> 02:20:34,739
But that's not common and probably what people have seen in

2830
02:20:34,739 --> 02:20:35,459
the past.

2831
02:20:35,459 --> 02:20:40,190
We're trying to take these things, we're trying to put them

2832
02:20:40,190 --> 02:20:43,459
in a SUP overlay with all these additional restrictions,

2833
02:20:43,459 --> 02:20:46,829
self-imposed deed restrictions to make sure the quality

2834
02:20:46,829 --> 02:20:49,459
stays. Nobody asks us to do that.

2835
02:20:49,459 --> 02:20:53,549
We just work with staff and say we've got to earn people's

2836
02:20:53,549 --> 02:20:55,459
respect on what it is.

2837
02:20:55,459 --> 02:20:59,049
Let's self-impose those things. I'll get into the traffic a

2838
02:20:59,049 --> 02:20:59,459
little bit.

2839
02:20:59,459 --> 02:21:05,600
The traffic signal, those are $350,000. It's not warranted

2840
02:21:05,600 --> 02:21:06,459
in a TA.

2841
02:21:06,459 --> 02:21:12,190
Our traffic study does not justify having that signal at

2842
02:21:12,190 --> 02:21:14,459
Post Oak and McKinney.

2843
02:21:14,459 --> 02:21:19,010
But he volunteered to pay. If the city wants it, we're

2844
02:21:19,010 --> 02:21:20,459
paying for it.

2845
02:21:20,459 --> 02:21:24,489
Those are some things that are unique, not typical in most

2846
02:21:24,489 --> 02:21:25,459
projects.

2847
02:21:25,459 --> 02:21:28,239
The landscape buffers Michael was talking about when you

2848
02:21:28,239 --> 02:21:31,090
come in along McKinney, we're sensitive to what that feels

2849
02:21:31,090 --> 02:21:32,459
like, just like internal.

2850
02:21:32,459 --> 02:21:35,729
When you come along McKinney, it's a three foot berm and an

2851
02:21:35,729 --> 02:21:39,459
eight foot masonry fence, typically at six.

2852
02:21:39,459 --> 02:21:43,459
We want that point of capture so you're proud to come here.

2853
02:21:43,459 --> 02:21:45,459
You want to be here.

2854
02:21:45,459 --> 02:21:49,459
In those HOA meetings, I talked to several ladies who were.

2855
02:21:49,459 --> 02:21:53,459
I've got three kids. I'm sensitive to those things.

2856
02:21:53,459 --> 02:21:57,459
Her opinion was this provides another opportunity for her.

2857
02:21:57,459 --> 02:22:00,459
She works two or three jobs and has two kids.

2858
02:22:00,459 --> 02:22:03,459
Everybody's got different situations. I understand that.

2859
02:22:03,459 --> 02:22:06,559
But she was proud to have an opportunity to do something

2860
02:22:06,559 --> 02:22:07,459
different.

2861
02:22:07,459 --> 02:22:11,430
Part of our coordination, we've had some coordination with

2862
02:22:11,430 --> 02:22:15,440
the Denton Affordable Housing Corporation, and they sent a

2863
02:22:15,440 --> 02:22:17,459
letter of support for our case.

2864
02:22:17,459 --> 02:22:21,649
I think those were distributed to and so they feel too that

2865
02:22:21,649 --> 02:22:24,459
it provides another opportunity.

2866
02:22:24,459 --> 02:22:27,200
But we're trying to come in with something upgraded and

2867
02:22:27,200 --> 02:22:28,459
committed and not an empty promise.

2868
02:22:28,459 --> 02:22:32,629
We have to do these things. They're in the requirements. We

2869
02:22:32,629 --> 02:22:34,459
can't walk from those.

2870
02:22:34,459 --> 02:22:39,459
To me, that's a big separator from the people we work with.

2871
02:22:39,459 --> 02:22:42,219
If they make empty promises, that's one thing. But when

2872
02:22:42,219 --> 02:22:46,459
they're committing to these, they're bound to those.

2873
02:22:46,459 --> 02:22:49,590
So I won't labor the points. Everybody knows we started a

2874
02:22:49,590 --> 02:22:51,459
long time ago to get this project underway.

2875
02:22:51,459 --> 02:22:56,020
Ten-plus meetings with staff, traffic studies over the last

2876
02:22:56,020 --> 02:22:58,459
year and a half. I think we've done three iterations.

2877
02:22:58,459 --> 02:23:01,219
We've done counts at different times. We've done counts

2878
02:23:01,219 --> 02:23:04,459
when the schools are in session to make sure we understand.

2879
02:23:04,459 --> 02:23:07,620
Because when schools, the traffic acts different during the

2880
02:23:07,620 --> 02:23:08,459
school year.

2881
02:23:08,459 --> 02:23:12,030
So we've looked at those things to see how those impact the

2882
02:23:12,030 --> 02:23:12,459
study.

2883
02:23:12,459 --> 02:23:16,459
And at one time we had over 100, we had 100 more stands.

2884
02:23:16,459 --> 02:23:19,510
Staff recommended we take those out. We do the one acre

2885
02:23:19,510 --> 02:23:22,459
lots and we focus traffic away from Trinity.

2886
02:23:22,459 --> 02:23:25,829
There's some residents to our north that were adamant about

2887
02:23:25,829 --> 02:23:27,459
that to offload Trinity.

2888
02:23:27,459 --> 02:23:32,209
We heard, we heard there's a, we heard their concerns and

2889
02:23:32,209 --> 02:23:33,459
we reacted.

2890
02:23:33,459 --> 02:23:37,579
And again, we had another meeting just the other night and

2891
02:23:37,579 --> 02:23:40,459
discussed some of the same concerns.

2892
02:23:40,459 --> 02:23:44,459
So just, Cindy's kind of covered a lot of our intersection,

2893
02:23:44,459 --> 02:23:46,459
what our TA requires us to do.

2894
02:23:46,459 --> 02:23:49,219
We're spending a lot of money to improve roads and that's

2895
02:23:49,219 --> 02:23:52,459
what we should do if we, that's what's required.

2896
02:23:52,459 --> 02:23:54,479
So that's what we're doing. I think a key point I want to

2897
02:23:54,479 --> 02:23:59,389
make in this time scale is that by the time we can finish

2898
02:23:59,389 --> 02:24:00,459
entitlement,

2899
02:24:00,459 --> 02:24:04,889
do final plat, do construction plans, get them approved and

2900
02:24:04,889 --> 02:24:09,479
do the construction of the first phase, we're 18 months out

2901
02:24:09,479 --> 02:24:10,459
from now.

2902
02:24:10,459 --> 02:24:13,879
So really from December because it would take that to get

2903
02:24:13,879 --> 02:24:18,459
through council if we're successful. So for zoning.

2904
02:24:18,459 --> 02:24:22,139
So we're looking at August 2020. By that point we've worked

2905
02:24:22,139 --> 02:24:24,219
with staff and understanding what's happened on McKinney

2906
02:24:24,219 --> 02:24:24,459
Street.

2907
02:24:24,459 --> 02:24:28,020
Now McKinney's a two lane road today. Everybody, you know,

2908
02:24:28,020 --> 02:24:31,459
fills that traffic today on this existing two lane road.

2909
02:24:31,459 --> 02:24:34,219
It's going to be improved to a four lane divided road by

2910
02:24:34,219 --> 02:24:37,059
the time our first phase is ready to sell its, to have its

2911
02:24:37,059 --> 02:24:38,459
first leasable unit.

2912
02:24:38,459 --> 02:24:43,729
So not only is McKinney four lane divided, done at that

2913
02:24:43,729 --> 02:24:47,459
time, but Mayhill will obviously be done by that time.

2914
02:24:47,459 --> 02:24:52,540
So that diverts a lot of traffic back to the west and to

2915
02:24:52,540 --> 02:24:57,930
the north to take loading off of Trinity, but also how it

2916
02:24:57,930 --> 02:25:01,459
functions today, it improves that situation.

2917
02:25:01,459 --> 02:25:04,219
So one point I want to make is there's some concerns on the

2918
02:25:04,219 --> 02:25:08,479
internet and questions about people wanting to take Trinity

2919
02:25:08,479 --> 02:25:11,459
to go to 380 as a question.

2920
02:25:11,459 --> 02:25:14,799
So as you come out of the center to subdivision where you

2921
02:25:14,799 --> 02:25:18,459
see that first star, if you were to take, take McKinney,

2922
02:25:18,459 --> 02:25:24,079
head west and go up Mayhill, that's about 2.65 miles to get

2923
02:25:24,079 --> 02:25:25,459
to 380.

2924
02:25:25,459 --> 02:25:30,680
If you wanted to go down Trinity, it's about 3.3 miles to

2925
02:25:30,680 --> 02:25:36,100
get to 380. So people typically take the path of least

2926
02:25:36,100 --> 02:25:37,459
resistance.

2927
02:25:37,459 --> 02:25:40,469
When our project first phase is done, again, four lanes of

2928
02:25:40,469 --> 02:25:43,469
McKinney, four lanes of Mayhill, that's the path of least

2929
02:25:43,469 --> 02:25:44,459
resistance.

2930
02:25:44,459 --> 02:25:48,399
It's got the, it's going to, it's functioning, it's got

2931
02:25:48,399 --> 02:25:52,079
higher speed limits as well. That's to me, in our opinion,

2932
02:25:52,079 --> 02:25:53,459
that's where people go.

2933
02:25:53,459 --> 02:25:59,709
They don't go down Trinity and on a slower speeds. And I

2934
02:25:59,709 --> 02:26:02,129
know there's people who say they don't drive the speed

2935
02:26:02,129 --> 02:26:04,459
limits and I'm sure there are some that don't.

2936
02:26:04,459 --> 02:26:07,729
But the time you go down that two lane road and you cross,

2937
02:26:07,729 --> 02:26:11,149
it's, it's a, it's a much longer distance and a longer time

2938
02:26:11,149 --> 02:26:14,459
. I think time is probably the key.

2939
02:26:14,459 --> 02:26:17,750
So I just want to point that out that we're, you know, we

2940
02:26:17,750 --> 02:26:21,389
're really our traffic studies and all of our city staff,

2941
02:26:21,389 --> 02:26:22,459
their review.

2942
02:26:22,459 --> 02:26:26,899
We feel like, you know, McKinney, Mayhill's improvements is

2943
02:26:26,899 --> 02:26:30,770
a big part, part of this and it's going to divert traffic

2944
02:26:30,770 --> 02:26:32,459
away from Trinity.

2945
02:26:32,459 --> 02:26:38,459
So I'll try to close out here.

2946
02:26:38,459 --> 02:26:42,510
So 21 months at this process we appreciate all cities work

2947
02:26:42,510 --> 02:26:46,260
we're heavily committed to the road improvements for the

2948
02:26:46,260 --> 02:26:50,219
project and over committing, you know, giving additional

2949
02:26:50,219 --> 02:26:53,860
things to the, to the city, as far as traffic lights and

2950
02:26:53,860 --> 02:26:57,459
things that are normally done over 33 acres of green belts

2951
02:26:57,459 --> 02:26:57,459
densities

2952
02:26:57,459 --> 02:27:02,459
four units per acre.

2953
02:27:02,459 --> 02:27:04,719
One thing is that the trail that we're extending to the

2954
02:27:04,719 --> 02:27:07,200
high school I think that's been appointed contention for a

2955
02:27:07,200 --> 02:27:09,469
while, and we're proposing to do that that leaves our

2956
02:27:09,469 --> 02:27:12,000
property, we're obligating ourselves to extend it off our

2957
02:27:12,000 --> 02:27:13,459
property, but we don't.

2958
02:27:13,459 --> 02:27:16,209
We don't want to provide that connection, we're close

2959
02:27:16,209 --> 02:27:18,620
enough to the high school, some kids may walk, so we want

2960
02:27:18,620 --> 02:27:21,459
to provide that connection that's not fully there today.

2961
02:27:21,459 --> 02:27:25,260
One or last, the list station improvements. I had some

2962
02:27:25,260 --> 02:27:29,079
citizens of concern that live near it that said there were

2963
02:27:29,079 --> 02:27:32,860
some areas that were surcharging the cities indicated us

2964
02:27:32,860 --> 02:27:35,459
that we've got to fix those things.

2965
02:27:35,459 --> 02:27:41,389
The citizens said it's been 30 years since that list

2966
02:27:41,389 --> 02:27:47,709
station has had some improvement it needs some improvement

2967
02:27:47,709 --> 02:27:52,459
today with our project will be set to do it. You know that

2968
02:27:52,459 --> 02:27:52,459
's something we have to do for our project, and it hasn't

2969
02:27:52,459 --> 02:27:52,459
had the attention to date to get fixed but we will fix that

2970
02:27:52,459 --> 02:27:52,459
.

2971
02:27:52,459 --> 02:27:56,399
We appreciate all staffs and help in. We appreciate their

2972
02:27:56,399 --> 02:28:00,309
recommendation for approval. So I'd be happy to answer any

2973
02:28:00,309 --> 02:28:04,129
questions that that we have amongst the commission or from

2974
02:28:04,129 --> 02:28:05,459
citizens to. So thank you.

2975
02:28:05,459 --> 02:28:07,540
We definitely have some questions up here we'll start with

2976
02:28:07,540 --> 02:28:10,459
Commissioner Smith. Thank you, Chair.

2977
02:28:10,459 --> 02:28:15,860
So, primarily my line of questioning, I'm asking you for

2978
02:28:15,860 --> 02:28:20,920
the city staff is trying to confirm and you can probably

2979
02:28:20,920 --> 02:28:23,459
just tell me off the bat.

2980
02:28:23,459 --> 02:28:27,049
Is there an intent to be for sale to be purchased by the

2981
02:28:27,049 --> 02:28:31,079
primary resident only not to be converted into rental

2982
02:28:31,079 --> 02:28:34,620
properties that are bought by an original owner who then

2983
02:28:34,620 --> 02:28:41,459
moves out and then then then rights afterwards, the intent

2984
02:28:41,459 --> 02:28:41,459
is not going to speak to that.

2985
02:28:41,459 --> 02:28:47,709
That's the stand. That's the intent and Michael can speak

2986
02:28:47,709 --> 02:28:53,520
more to that too I mean that's he's into that's fine. Well,

2987
02:28:53,520 --> 02:28:54,000
the other one I'm trying to get down to is, are these be

2988
02:28:54,000 --> 02:28:54,459
renters or these could be owners.

2989
02:28:54,459 --> 02:28:57,250
Now the way he stated is correct we don't. We're not going

2990
02:28:57,250 --> 02:29:00,129
to be selling the homes, they'll buy homes other places

2991
02:29:00,129 --> 02:29:02,950
will will lease them a place to put the hallways to put it

2992
02:29:02,950 --> 02:29:06,459
was the least for the stand going to be rough, rough price

2993
02:29:06,459 --> 02:29:09,459
for similar to our neighbors in the four and 500.

2994
02:29:09,459 --> 02:29:15,709
Then these manufactured homes are going to be somewhere

2995
02:29:15,709 --> 02:29:21,149
around the price of what prices nowadays you see is

2996
02:29:21,149 --> 02:29:29,459
anywhere from 40,000 to low 100s depending on the home.

2997
02:29:29,459 --> 02:29:33,139
What work have you guys done with didn't for housing

2998
02:29:33,139 --> 02:29:37,260
corporation so far when you say that and they have a letter

2999
02:29:37,260 --> 02:29:40,879
of support and so we're working with them. What exactly

3000
02:29:40,879 --> 02:29:42,780
does that mean there wasn't anything really in description

3001
02:29:42,780 --> 02:29:43,459
of what that meant.

3002
02:29:43,459 --> 02:29:46,920
Our team has been at it for a while so we reached out to

3003
02:29:46,920 --> 02:29:50,219
him to show him the project and talk about it in our

3004
02:29:50,219 --> 02:29:54,409
representatives work with Michael had met with them to show

3005
02:29:54,409 --> 02:29:57,799
them the project show them our vision, and they were

3006
02:29:57,799 --> 02:30:01,459
supportive of it so it was consistent

3007
02:30:01,459 --> 02:30:07,459
couple meetings, and they were one to support the project.

3008
02:30:07,459 --> 02:30:10,840
I guess we say support the project that they're just they

3009
02:30:10,840 --> 02:30:14,459
're putting forth their moral support. That's it.

3010
02:30:14,459 --> 02:30:17,110
The main thing they told us was you can't buy a new home

3011
02:30:17,110 --> 02:30:19,690
for less than a quarter of a million dollars and then right

3012
02:30:19,690 --> 02:30:22,440
now so they were looking for alternative options to where

3013
02:30:22,440 --> 02:30:25,459
someone could buy a home and not just rent an apartment.

3014
02:30:25,459 --> 02:30:28,219
Yeah, and, but the quarter million dollar home they're

3015
02:30:28,219 --> 02:30:31,059
buying is of course one that's completely 100% faceted to

3016
02:30:31,059 --> 02:30:33,850
the earth and can't be moved whereas this technically could

3017
02:30:33,850 --> 02:30:36,409
they're buying the manufactured home they don't own the

3018
02:30:36,409 --> 02:30:37,459
land underneath.

3019
02:30:37,459 --> 02:30:40,010
Well actually you can move any home. I mean if it's built

3020
02:30:40,010 --> 02:30:42,700
on a pre engineered foundation and welded to the foundation

3021
02:30:42,700 --> 02:30:45,260
, or it's just nailed to the foundation like a site built

3022
02:30:45,260 --> 02:30:47,969
home either way you can lift the home and fair enough, I

3023
02:30:47,969 --> 02:30:48,459
would say that the quarter million

3024
02:30:48,459 --> 02:30:51,739
dollar house or the houses that are surrounding this

3025
02:30:51,739 --> 02:30:55,590
neighborhood probably wouldn't be moved as regularly. Maybe

3026
02:30:55,590 --> 02:30:57,469
even as you know if the tenant was to leave, leave a

3027
02:30:57,469 --> 02:30:58,459
facility like yours.

3028
02:30:58,459 --> 02:31:01,840
Wouldn't would they naturally would they usually take that

3029
02:31:01,840 --> 02:31:04,709
home with them or would they, well the home surrounding

3030
02:31:04,709 --> 02:31:06,979
their home surrounding this subdivision, they would

3031
02:31:06,979 --> 02:31:09,459
actually move them like they would any other mobile home or

3032
02:31:09,459 --> 02:31:10,459
manufactured home.

3033
02:31:10,459 --> 02:31:13,450
If you notice in the brown on the west side of the project,

3034
02:31:13,450 --> 02:31:16,389
the brown on the north side of the project and the brown on

3035
02:31:16,389 --> 02:31:18,989
the southeast side of the project. That's all manufactured

3036
02:31:18,989 --> 02:31:19,459
or, or mobile homes.

3037
02:31:19,459 --> 02:31:22,219
Sure, I'm asking about your project though so in your

3038
02:31:22,219 --> 02:31:24,979
project, and the intent of your project and the way it's

3039
02:31:24,979 --> 02:31:27,850
built because I've been, I'm ignorant of this and so I'd

3040
02:31:27,850 --> 02:31:30,870
like to know the intent of this is different those are

3041
02:31:30,870 --> 02:31:31,459
mobile homes you guys are manufactured

3042
02:31:31,459 --> 02:31:35,049
homes within manufactured modular homes. The intent is that

3043
02:31:35,049 --> 02:31:37,979
if a person was to buy the home you they lease the land

3044
02:31:37,979 --> 02:31:41,459
from you they buy the home, it's placed there on that lot.

3045
02:31:41,459 --> 02:31:44,680
They then leave five years later they're able to go forward

3046
02:31:44,680 --> 02:31:47,459
quarter million dollar home somewhere else.

3047
02:31:47,459 --> 02:31:50,219
They would then sell the home to somebody else. Their

3048
02:31:50,219 --> 02:31:52,729
intent is to maybe they find a plot of land out in the

3049
02:31:52,729 --> 02:31:55,540
middle of nowhere and they buy some acreage and they move

3050
02:31:55,540 --> 02:31:58,459
that out there is I mean, are you guys seeing the thinking

3051
02:31:58,459 --> 02:31:59,459
that these types of developments

3052
02:31:59,459 --> 02:32:02,420
would have a lot of removing of the homes or that the homes

3053
02:32:02,420 --> 02:32:05,389
once they're bought and they're placed on that land that

3054
02:32:05,389 --> 02:32:06,459
they're there.

3055
02:32:06,459 --> 02:32:08,459
All of the above.

3056
02:32:08,459 --> 02:32:11,889
Like I said earlier about 92% of manufactured homes don't

3057
02:32:11,889 --> 02:32:15,389
move once or place somewhere, they stay. They do have the

3058
02:32:15,389 --> 02:32:17,860
option they could move it to some land. They do have the

3059
02:32:17,860 --> 02:32:19,110
option they could just sell the home where it is and that's

3060
02:32:19,110 --> 02:32:20,459
what occurs on most cases they just sell it

3061
02:32:20,459 --> 02:32:28,379
where it is. Correct. And also to clarify, Ashley Oaks and

3062
02:32:28,379 --> 02:32:31,399
Denton Falls. We're not saying that's a mobile home product

3063
02:32:31,399 --> 02:32:32,459
. There's manufactured homes in there as well.

3064
02:32:32,459 --> 02:32:35,149
They have both. But they're different than the development

3065
02:32:35,149 --> 02:32:37,719
you guys are doing. They're definitely very different. Ours

3066
02:32:37,719 --> 02:32:40,670
I see us managing it and it looking more like one of our

3067
02:32:40,670 --> 02:32:43,459
town home developments than I do our neighbors.

3068
02:32:43,459 --> 02:32:46,510
Understood. Okay. Okay. So you're still but you're still

3069
02:32:46,510 --> 02:32:49,110
looking at even with the you know they're leasing it from

3070
02:32:49,110 --> 02:32:51,950
you for $500 a month and then just on a basic mortgage am

3071
02:32:51,950 --> 02:32:56,399
ortization of a setting $5,000 home with $2,000 down payment

3072
02:32:56,399 --> 02:33:00,180
you're looking at $700 a month they're going to be paying

3073
02:33:00,180 --> 02:33:02,459
already for their home that they purchased from the

3074
02:33:02,459 --> 02:33:05,209
manufacturer and then other four to $500 to you for the le

3075
02:33:05,209 --> 02:33:05,459
asing of.

3076
02:33:05,459 --> 02:33:07,719
Yeah, I think that's similar to what they would be if they

3077
02:33:07,719 --> 02:33:10,909
're renting an apartment so anywhere from $1,200 to $1,400

3078
02:33:10,909 --> 02:33:14,459
to $1,500 somewhere in that range per month. Awesome. Great

3079
02:33:14,459 --> 02:33:14,459
.

3080
02:33:14,459 --> 02:33:17,420
So do you have a question or two for you. I asked staff a

3081
02:33:17,420 --> 02:33:21,459
question and follow up to the applicants presentation.

3082
02:33:21,459 --> 02:33:26,459
Sorry commissioners.

3083
02:33:26,459 --> 02:33:29,940
Whenever they're talking about McKinney, whenever the

3084
02:33:29,940 --> 02:33:33,500
expansion of the developers sand at the expansion of McKin

3085
02:33:33,500 --> 02:33:37,030
ney to four lane road there. The wording in our backup was a

3086
02:33:37,030 --> 02:33:40,170
little bit interesting just didn't catch it in work session

3087
02:33:40,170 --> 02:33:40,459
.

3088
02:33:40,459 --> 02:33:43,219
But it states that the four lane intersection the post of

3089
02:33:43,219 --> 02:33:45,489
McKinney, with a transition to two lanes will be

3090
02:33:45,489 --> 02:33:48,090
constructed. Well it says will be constructed twice that's

3091
02:33:48,090 --> 02:33:50,020
type of it will be constructed with this project at the

3092
02:33:50,020 --> 02:33:53,440
time McKinney street improvement so there will be four

3093
02:33:53,440 --> 02:33:55,459
lanes in front of the development, and it will go

3094
02:33:55,459 --> 02:33:59,909
essentially go from Mayhill all the way out to Camp Copa so

3095
02:33:59,909 --> 02:34:04,049
be it to lane for lane to lane. That's the way I'm reading

3096
02:34:04,049 --> 02:34:05,459
it but you tell me if I'm looking at it.

3097
02:34:05,459 --> 02:34:10,459
That will be transitioned to two lanes.

3098
02:34:10,459 --> 02:34:14,459
Then McKinney will be four lane all the way to mail. Yes.

3099
02:34:14,459 --> 02:34:18,299
Okay. Awesome. That's the big thing I want to know there.

3100
02:34:18,299 --> 02:34:21,409
Now, if the construction of McKinney itself will be done by

3101
02:34:21,409 --> 02:34:22,459
the city of them.

3102
02:34:22,459 --> 02:34:27,389
That's correct. Okay. Is there any restrictions we can put

3103
02:34:27,389 --> 02:34:30,260
on the any point later on after the rezoning and SCP if

3104
02:34:30,260 --> 02:34:33,620
that was the past. So any restrictions we can put further

3105
02:34:33,620 --> 02:34:36,790
down the line as a planning and zoning commission to make

3106
02:34:36,790 --> 02:34:40,459
sure that phase one is not occupied until for sure,

3107
02:34:40,459 --> 02:34:46,459
McKinney is completed because we all know that the city.

3108
02:34:46,459 --> 02:34:53,459
Yeah, there's delays, it rains stuff happens. You know, so

3109
02:34:53,459 --> 02:34:53,459
roads don't get done for a year or so.

3110
02:34:53,459 --> 02:34:57,579
Well, you could stay you could add a condition stating that

3111
02:34:57,579 --> 02:35:01,440
the timing of the release of phase one would should coinc

3112
02:35:01,440 --> 02:35:05,459
ide with the completion of the construction of McKinney.

3113
02:35:05,459 --> 02:35:08,280
Yeah, I would just really hate to say well the developer

3114
02:35:08,280 --> 02:35:11,159
got done, you know, the developer did their job and they

3115
02:35:11,159 --> 02:35:13,459
did a great job and built it and it got done.

3116
02:35:13,459 --> 02:35:17,030
For whatever reason the city of Denton is behind. We'd hate

3117
02:35:17,030 --> 02:35:20,389
to see not only construction happening on McKinney but

3118
02:35:20,389 --> 02:35:24,110
construction with however many units are within one 200

3119
02:35:24,110 --> 02:35:27,469
units I have no clue what phase one was, but those all the

3120
02:35:27,469 --> 02:35:30,239
open and then now we have 500 new people who are trying to

3121
02:35:30,239 --> 02:35:31,459
drive up and down.

3122
02:35:31,459 --> 02:35:34,219
I'm constructed road. Yeah, okay, you could do that. That

3123
02:35:34,219 --> 02:35:36,459
would be done in the in the SCP that would be done in the

3124
02:35:36,459 --> 02:35:44,459
SCP. Okay, got it.

3125
02:35:44,459 --> 02:35:49,629
Yeah, I really wish the for commissioner back. Thank you,

3126
02:35:49,629 --> 02:35:50,459
Chair.

3127
02:35:50,459 --> 02:35:54,399
Mr Murphy or Mr Holliman or both of you come on back up to

3128
02:35:54,399 --> 02:35:55,459
it please.

3129
02:35:55,459 --> 02:35:59,459
Thank you for your presentation.

3130
02:35:59,459 --> 02:36:03,090
I think you've got to find product considering that you're

3131
02:36:03,090 --> 02:36:06,739
building something in an area where we've got traditional

3132
02:36:06,739 --> 02:36:10,409
single family homes I think you've gone out of your way to

3133
02:36:10,409 --> 02:36:13,750
ease what you've got into that community so I appreciate

3134
02:36:13,750 --> 02:36:14,459
that.

3135
02:36:14,459 --> 02:36:26,059
And I'm glad, Commissioner Smith asked about pricing

3136
02:36:26,059 --> 02:36:33,459
because that was my concern too. One of the big issues we

3137
02:36:33,459 --> 02:36:33,459
have here in this far from enough low income housing we

3138
02:36:33,459 --> 02:36:33,459
needed desperately that contributes to a lot of the

3139
02:36:33,459 --> 02:36:33,459
homeless we have because people don't have places to live

3140
02:36:33,459 --> 02:36:33,459
so I'm for that at least.

3141
02:36:33,459 --> 02:36:36,860
Let me answer this though that's a concern, I'm sure for

3142
02:36:36,860 --> 02:36:40,770
the neighbors about lowering rent lowering property values.

3143
02:36:40,770 --> 02:36:44,700
You built these kind of developments elsewhere right. Yes,

3144
02:36:44,700 --> 02:36:47,090
sir. Okay, what's been your experience with these

3145
02:36:47,090 --> 02:36:50,459
developments and lowering nearby home values.

3146
02:36:50,459 --> 02:36:53,459
Can you address that.

3147
02:36:53,459 --> 02:37:07,459
No, not exactly I, you know, I've never tracked.

3148
02:37:07,459 --> 02:37:14,469
I've never tracked the fact that we have a lot of

3149
02:37:14,469 --> 02:37:23,129
structured and mobile homes around us, and the gas plant

3150
02:37:23,129 --> 02:37:27,459
across the street from us.

3151
02:37:27,459 --> 02:37:32,829
The siding is that already planning. Yeah, nowadays most

3152
02:37:32,829 --> 02:37:37,790
people use cementious siding like a hardy plank. Some do go

3153
02:37:37,790 --> 02:37:39,399
ahead and break the home all the way up you know you on the

3154
02:37:39,399 --> 02:37:41,040
skirting but some choose to have it taken all the way to

3155
02:37:41,040 --> 02:37:41,459
the roof on.

3156
02:37:41,459 --> 02:37:46,879
That's a good option is there is possible now again looking

3157
02:37:46,879 --> 02:37:51,790
at the samples that you showed here look like they're

3158
02:37:51,790 --> 02:37:56,600
elevated to but I understood these were going to be on

3159
02:37:56,600 --> 02:37:58,459
concrete slab.

3160
02:37:58,459 --> 02:38:01,770
So what we want is stairs going down to concrete patio or

3161
02:38:01,770 --> 02:38:05,579
paved stone patio. Okay, very good. That's really I want to

3162
02:38:05,579 --> 02:38:08,940
thank you for recognizing the hard work our city staff

3163
02:38:08,940 --> 02:38:13,459
today, they don't get it that often so appreciate you.

3164
02:38:13,459 --> 02:38:15,459
Thank you.

3165
02:38:15,459 --> 02:38:18,739
Because you're also so fast we have city clarification. I

3166
02:38:18,739 --> 02:38:21,829
just wanted to provide a clarification on that front set

3167
02:38:21,829 --> 02:38:25,250
back I know the code had 15 feet. One of the conditions is

3168
02:38:25,250 --> 02:38:28,459
that it will be set back 20 feet from back a curb.

3169
02:38:28,459 --> 02:38:31,459
First, the head into cars.

3170
02:38:31,459 --> 02:38:35,170
They're in the front, they're not on the side, and that's

3171
02:38:35,170 --> 02:38:35,459
the intent.

3172
02:38:35,459 --> 02:38:40,409
If I may, that does bring up some now. So, the parking will

3173
02:38:40,409 --> 02:38:43,459
be on the street you're not allowing for driveway.

3174
02:38:43,459 --> 02:38:47,459
There's a two car driveway.

3175
02:38:47,459 --> 02:38:50,459
Show us. Thank you, sir.

3176
02:38:50,459 --> 02:38:53,360
So just curious the rent that they're paying you for for

3177
02:38:53,360 --> 02:38:56,409
the foundation. Does that include what you mentioned with

3178
02:38:56,409 --> 02:38:59,100
lawn maintenance and full use of amenities and whatnot or

3179
02:38:59,100 --> 02:39:00,459
is there a separate HLA.

3180
02:39:00,459 --> 02:39:03,459
That's everything total is not a separate HLA. Perfect.

3181
02:39:03,459 --> 02:39:08,709
My other question is the 61 acre lots. What do you envision

3182
02:39:08,709 --> 02:39:13,290
that being because it is odd for six one acre residential

3183
02:39:13,290 --> 02:39:17,399
lots to be adjacent to a property such as this so I'm

3184
02:39:17,399 --> 02:39:20,459
curious as to your vision for those.

3185
02:39:20,459 --> 02:39:23,459
When we had several meetings with staff.

3186
02:39:23,459 --> 02:39:27,840
They were thinking of different ways to soften Trinity, you

3187
02:39:27,840 --> 02:39:31,860
know we had offered to do the same wall that we're doing on

3188
02:39:31,860 --> 02:39:34,799
McKinney Street. And I can't remember exactly who was a

3189
02:39:34,799 --> 02:39:37,090
staff but they came up with the idea of doing something

3190
02:39:37,090 --> 02:39:38,459
similar to the homes across the street,

3191
02:39:38,459 --> 02:39:42,659
which were larger lots. So we agreed that we would put in

3192
02:39:42,659 --> 02:39:46,629
six one acre lots and either build single family homes on

3193
02:39:46,629 --> 02:39:50,440
them or sell them to someone who wanted to build single

3194
02:39:50,440 --> 02:39:51,459
family homes.

3195
02:39:51,459 --> 02:39:55,459
Mr. Sanchez.

3196
02:39:55,459 --> 02:39:58,260
Maybe I misunderstood when I was reading this whole thing

3197
02:39:58,260 --> 02:40:00,459
but he talked about affordable housing.

3198
02:40:00,459 --> 02:40:04,079
So I was under the impression that they were going to buy a

3199
02:40:04,079 --> 02:40:07,649
lot and mobile home from you all. But now it's, it's almost

3200
02:40:07,649 --> 02:40:10,329
like living in a park they're going to buy, they either buy

3201
02:40:10,329 --> 02:40:12,559
the mobile home from you all, is that going to be a

3202
02:40:12,559 --> 02:40:15,459
mandatory that they buy the mobile or or the

3203
02:40:15,459 --> 02:40:18,360
mobile home from you all they can bring one themselves in

3204
02:40:18,360 --> 02:40:21,850
place in your property, they can bring it themselves. Yeah,

3205
02:40:21,850 --> 02:40:25,000
we're leasing the stand for the home and taking care of the

3206
02:40:25,000 --> 02:40:27,459
exterior, but they own the home itself.

3207
02:40:27,459 --> 02:40:31,569
So what they're going to be paying they'll be paying fires,

3208
02:40:31,569 --> 02:40:36,040
say for $500 just for for parking the modular home there,

3209
02:40:36,040 --> 02:40:40,010
and then whatever they pay for the mobile home they might I

3210
02:40:40,010 --> 02:40:44,139
mean for the modular home they may have payments of nine $1

3211
02:40:44,139 --> 02:40:46,459
,000 so we're looking at 15, maybe $1,500.

3212
02:40:46,459 --> 02:40:49,219
Right, depending on the home they are depending on the

3213
02:40:49,219 --> 02:40:53,610
house. Yeah, most of them probably around that because that

3214
02:40:53,610 --> 02:40:55,610
cheap either so we're looking at when we're talking about

3215
02:40:55,610 --> 02:40:56,459
affordable housing.

3216
02:40:56,459 --> 02:41:02,389
We're looking at possibly 12 to $1,500 a month, I'd say

3217
02:41:02,389 --> 02:41:05,379
anywhere from about 900 to 1500 a month depending on the

3218
02:41:05,379 --> 02:41:07,459
home they selected that they wanted there.

3219
02:41:07,459 --> 02:41:09,459
So similar to apartments.

3220
02:41:09,459 --> 02:41:13,139
As far as price total price for the month. Okay, because

3221
02:41:13,139 --> 02:41:16,459
apartments are pretty expensive now they're about $1,200.

3222
02:41:16,459 --> 02:41:16,459
Yes, I mean.

3223
02:41:16,459 --> 02:41:18,459
Okay. Thank you.

3224
02:41:18,459 --> 02:41:22,719
Commissioner pernetta. Yes, for the, for the six houses on

3225
02:41:22,719 --> 02:41:26,639
the on the acres, are those going to be manufactured homes

3226
02:41:26,639 --> 02:41:30,510
as well as side built homes somewhere to what's across the

3227
02:41:30,510 --> 02:41:31,459
street.

3228
02:41:31,459 --> 02:41:35,459
Thank you.

3229
02:41:35,459 --> 02:41:39,020
I appreciate you being here for questions, the commission

3230
02:41:39,020 --> 02:41:46,459
has no more, but I wouldn't go too far. Okay, thank you.

3231
02:41:46,459 --> 02:41:50,200
This is a public hearing. If you wish to speak if you could

3232
02:41:50,200 --> 02:41:53,159
please fill out one of these blue cards that are at the

3233
02:41:53,159 --> 02:41:55,459
door, would be happy to talk to you.

3234
02:41:55,459 --> 02:42:04,459
I do have several cards so we'll just get right to this.

3235
02:42:04,459 --> 02:42:08,979
The first card I have is Jason, and forgive me if I messed

3236
02:42:08,979 --> 02:42:13,690
up any names tonight, it is it is not personal believe me,

3237
02:42:13,690 --> 02:42:16,459
but looks like Jason Vinucci.

3238
02:42:16,459 --> 02:42:19,459
Do you just state your name and address for the record.

3239
02:42:19,459 --> 02:42:23,809
I live at 1901 Lakeview Boulevard. I'm in the Lakeview

3240
02:42:23,809 --> 02:42:25,459
Ranch subdivision.

3241
02:42:25,459 --> 02:42:29,690
I'm actually here on behalf of the Lakeview Ranch subdiv

3242
02:42:29,690 --> 02:42:30,459
ision.

3243
02:42:30,459 --> 02:42:34,809
You'll have several speakers coming up after me. If you don

3244
02:42:34,809 --> 02:42:37,040
't mind, I would just like to ask those community members to

3245
02:42:37,040 --> 02:42:38,459
stand up briefly and have a seat.

3246
02:42:38,459 --> 02:42:39,459
Sure.

3247
02:42:39,459 --> 02:42:46,459
Just to show you who's here.

3248
02:42:46,459 --> 02:42:48,799
These are Lakeview residents is that one. These are the

3249
02:42:48,799 --> 02:42:50,809
Lakeview residents. If you look at the map in the right

3250
02:42:50,809 --> 02:42:54,850
hand corner it says Lakeview Ranch, and they are very light

3251
02:42:54,850 --> 02:42:56,459
colored area.

3252
02:42:56,459 --> 02:43:02,219
So, you know, we are here because we actually are hoping

3253
02:43:02,219 --> 02:43:06,459
you will oppose this woodlands community.

3254
02:43:06,459 --> 02:43:10,260
Tonight basically we want to, we want to go directly into

3255
02:43:10,260 --> 02:43:12,459
discussing a few topics here.

3256
02:43:12,459 --> 02:43:15,219
And those topics that will go through will be discussed by

3257
02:43:15,219 --> 02:43:17,459
other community members that will come up.

3258
02:43:17,459 --> 02:43:21,059
I just want to give you a quick summary of what I, what you

3259
02:43:21,059 --> 02:43:24,459
can expect to hear and what what will take place.

3260
02:43:24,459 --> 02:43:28,399
One of these topics we would like to discuss our safety,

3261
02:43:28,399 --> 02:43:32,329
which is going to be due to the increased traffic, not only

3262
02:43:32,329 --> 02:43:36,389
on McKinney, but as well as Trinity, which is a shortcut up

3263
02:43:36,389 --> 02:43:38,459
to Lakeview and 380.

3264
02:43:38,459 --> 02:43:42,100
We would also like to talk about the speeding of people

3265
02:43:42,100 --> 02:43:46,500
cutting through the community to get to 380, as well as the

3266
02:43:46,500 --> 02:43:50,430
fact that there is no traffic light at that intersection at

3267
02:43:50,430 --> 02:43:53,459
Lakeview Boulevard and Highway 380.

3268
02:43:53,459 --> 02:43:56,909
We would also like to discuss the deterioration of the

3269
02:43:56,909 --> 02:44:00,459
current road condition and the future road condition.

3270
02:44:00,459 --> 02:44:04,879
Previous to that, we've actually asked the city and

3271
02:44:04,879 --> 02:44:09,739
requested several times for road humps speed limit signs

3272
02:44:09,739 --> 02:44:14,750
more speed limit signs, as well as stop signs that has been

3273
02:44:14,750 --> 02:44:15,459
denied.

3274
02:44:15,459 --> 02:44:19,030
Basically, the impact of the woodland, how it would have an

3275
02:44:19,030 --> 02:44:22,600
impact on our fire, our police, our ambulance service, as

3276
02:44:22,600 --> 02:44:24,459
well as our school services.

3277
02:44:24,459 --> 02:44:26,459
Are we prepared for that?

3278
02:44:26,459 --> 02:44:29,540
The impact of the current home values, I believe you

3279
02:44:29,540 --> 02:44:31,459
brought up and property tax.

3280
02:44:31,459 --> 02:44:37,149
We'd also like to discuss the zoning change from RD5, which

3281
02:44:37,149 --> 02:44:42,420
is designed to maintain this area as a five acre, one home

3282
02:44:42,420 --> 02:44:47,459
per five acres for a rural area, as well as the 2030 plan,

3283
02:44:47,459 --> 02:44:51,360
which also states that it should be maintained this way as

3284
02:44:51,360 --> 02:44:54,459
a one home per five acre.

3285
02:44:54,459 --> 02:44:58,659
We believe that with the research we've done that you will

3286
02:44:58,659 --> 02:45:01,459
deny the request to approve this.

3287
02:45:01,459 --> 02:45:05,600
We also would like you to reconsider adding additional

3288
02:45:05,600 --> 02:45:10,100
zoning change signs, given that it's a rural area and there

3289
02:45:10,100 --> 02:45:15,090
is one home per five acres assigned within 500 feet of this

3290
02:45:15,090 --> 02:45:17,459
property is not appropriate.

3291
02:45:17,459 --> 02:45:20,579
You may get a few cars going by one way or the other, but

3292
02:45:20,579 --> 02:45:23,620
you're not reaching everybody that will be directly

3293
02:45:23,620 --> 02:45:24,459
impacted.

3294
02:45:24,459 --> 02:45:28,459
So that's just something to consider in the future.

3295
02:45:28,459 --> 02:45:31,600
There's also a community that's located directly across the

3296
02:45:31,600 --> 02:45:34,479
street from the Ryan High School and forgive me, I don't

3297
02:45:34,479 --> 02:45:36,459
know the name of the subdivision.

3298
02:45:36,459 --> 02:45:39,479
They do not have a homeowner association, but they are

3299
02:45:39,479 --> 02:45:42,620
mostly not here tonight because they're not aware of this

3300
02:45:42,620 --> 02:45:45,459
because their entrance is further to the west.

3301
02:45:45,459 --> 02:45:48,209
Some of them that will use Lakeview Boulevard to cut

3302
02:45:48,209 --> 02:45:51,319
through perhaps might know, but the majority are so close

3303
02:45:51,319 --> 02:45:55,459
to the intersection of Mayhill and McKinney, they just go

3304
02:45:55,459 --> 02:45:56,459
that way.

3305
02:45:56,459 --> 02:45:59,729
But they're going to see an increase in traffic coming from

3306
02:45:59,729 --> 02:46:00,459
the west.

3307
02:46:00,459 --> 02:46:03,209
With that being said, I just want to thank you for your

3308
02:46:03,209 --> 02:46:03,459
time.

3309
02:46:03,459 --> 02:46:07,530
And hopefully we can we can come up here and go through our

3310
02:46:07,530 --> 02:46:08,459
options.

3311
02:46:08,459 --> 02:46:09,459
Thank you.

3312
02:46:09,459 --> 02:46:11,270
Thank you very much. We actually have some questions for

3313
02:46:11,270 --> 02:46:11,459
you.

3314
02:46:11,459 --> 02:46:16,479
Mr. Smith. Thank you, Chair. Can you give me some history

3315
02:46:16,479 --> 02:46:17,459
of Lakeview Ranch? When was it built?

3316
02:46:17,459 --> 02:46:23,459
I've been there actually almost 12 years.

3317
02:46:23,459 --> 02:46:28,520
Okay. From what I know, Ashley Oaks was built in like '85,

3318
02:46:28,520 --> 02:46:29,459
'86.

3319
02:46:29,459 --> 02:46:31,459
Was that any worry?

3320
02:46:31,459 --> 02:46:35,700
And I guess we technically can't elicit reactions from the

3321
02:46:35,700 --> 02:46:36,459
crowd.

3322
02:46:36,459 --> 02:46:39,260
So I would I would ask I would ask if you would like to

3323
02:46:39,260 --> 02:46:42,000
answer this question for me later, if you have a blue card

3324
02:46:42,000 --> 02:46:43,459
or you don't have a blue card, blue cards right out there.

3325
02:46:43,459 --> 02:46:47,459
For myself, for myself, it was definitely a concern.

3326
02:46:47,459 --> 02:46:50,209
Yeah. So that was a concern when you bought it, but you

3327
02:46:50,209 --> 02:46:51,459
still bought a house there.

3328
02:46:51,459 --> 02:46:54,459
I built a house there, but I built it under the impression.

3329
02:46:54,459 --> 02:46:57,889
The if you're aware, Lakeview Ranch also has surrounding

3330
02:46:57,889 --> 02:47:00,850
property and it was supposed to be developed into larger

3331
02:47:00,850 --> 02:47:02,459
homes on larger home sites.

3332
02:47:02,459 --> 02:47:06,700
I went to high school at Ryan. I lived down next to the

3333
02:47:06,700 --> 02:47:07,510
Perry House. I used to drive through. I used to speak. I

3334
02:47:07,510 --> 02:47:09,459
got my first speed ticket in Lakeview Ranch.

3335
02:47:09,459 --> 02:47:15,459
So you're you're actually one of the people on my list.

3336
02:47:15,459 --> 02:47:18,459
I'm a product of learning what you boys are all about.

3337
02:47:18,459 --> 02:47:20,459
So you know exactly what I'm talking about.

3338
02:47:20,459 --> 02:47:21,459
Exactly.

3339
02:47:21,459 --> 02:47:23,840
To answer your question, yes. And the reason I did build a

3340
02:47:23,840 --> 02:47:26,680
home in that community was the fact that there was future

3341
02:47:26,680 --> 02:47:27,459
development planned.

3342
02:47:27,459 --> 02:47:31,200
Unfortunately, some of the partners had a misunderstanding

3343
02:47:31,200 --> 02:47:34,459
or there was a death and it just kind of broke apart.

3344
02:47:34,459 --> 02:47:36,459
So that's why I continue to go ahead and build.

3345
02:47:36,459 --> 02:47:38,350
How many how many folks would you if you're representing

3346
02:47:38,350 --> 02:47:40,239
the rest of the community and the first one to come up here

3347
02:47:40,239 --> 02:47:40,459
.

3348
02:47:40,459 --> 02:47:43,459
So you get the most amount of darts thrown at you.

3349
02:47:43,459 --> 02:47:47,659
How many how many in that community take Trinity to go

3350
02:47:47,659 --> 02:47:49,459
south to McKinney?

3351
02:47:49,459 --> 02:47:51,459
I couldn't answer that.

3352
02:47:51,459 --> 02:47:54,459
Would you person buy it? I can't even do that.

3353
02:47:54,459 --> 02:47:57,459
I could I could only guess. I don't know.

3354
02:47:57,459 --> 02:48:00,459
Do you ever take it to go south?

3355
02:48:00,459 --> 02:48:01,459
Very seldom.

3356
02:48:01,459 --> 02:48:02,459
OK.

3357
02:48:02,459 --> 02:48:04,459
The problem you have is there was a one lane bridge.

3358
02:48:04,459 --> 02:48:06,459
Sure. Very limited access.

3359
02:48:06,459 --> 02:48:09,459
So that's that's a huge problem.

3360
02:48:09,459 --> 02:48:11,459
Mills and Trinity and Lakeview.

3361
02:48:11,459 --> 02:48:14,260
I think I think the thing is is I get I see more people

3362
02:48:14,260 --> 02:48:18,389
coming from the opposite direction to get to 380 than I see

3363
02:48:18,389 --> 02:48:20,459
coming from 380 to get to.

3364
02:48:20,459 --> 02:48:24,020
So with that with that question in mind then you know

3365
02:48:24,020 --> 02:48:27,450
applicant put in put in restrictions to where this

3366
02:48:27,450 --> 02:48:31,719
development has no access to Trinity unless they drive all

3367
02:48:31,719 --> 02:48:36,459
the way down to McKinney and then all the way east to

3368
02:48:36,459 --> 02:48:39,459
Trinity and then all the way north back again.

3369
02:48:39,459 --> 02:48:41,510
The only way they had direct access to Trinity would be if

3370
02:48:41,510 --> 02:48:43,459
they're an emergency vehicle and they won't be.

3371
02:48:43,459 --> 02:48:47,420
So what is that you know in your in your opinion is that

3372
02:48:47,420 --> 02:48:50,459
enough to limit northbound northbound.

3373
02:48:50,459 --> 02:48:51,459
No not at all.

3374
02:48:51,459 --> 02:48:54,389
Even if even if post I know it's hard to imagine now but

3375
02:48:54,389 --> 02:48:57,389
the expansion of post oak is going to take it north and

3376
02:48:57,389 --> 02:48:59,459
then may hill will be completed.

3377
02:48:59,459 --> 02:49:02,739
It's hard it's hard to hard to conceive it now because you

3378
02:49:02,739 --> 02:49:06,389
're thinking right now today the woodlands is created where

3379
02:49:06,389 --> 02:49:08,459
they got to drive or drive Trinity.

3380
02:49:08,459 --> 02:49:13,120
Well there's a you know two lane very well managed post oak

3381
02:49:13,120 --> 02:49:17,389
and two and four lane very well managed may hill to get

3382
02:49:17,389 --> 02:49:19,459
access to 380.

3383
02:49:19,459 --> 02:49:22,670
I would assume that that and there's not access directly to

3384
02:49:22,670 --> 02:49:25,620
Trinity there is only access directly to post oak that

3385
02:49:25,620 --> 02:49:28,709
people would naturally inclined themselves to go to the

3386
02:49:28,709 --> 02:49:31,459
more well developed road but I could.

3387
02:49:31,459 --> 02:49:34,610
I appreciate that but I would actually disagree I would be

3388
02:49:34,610 --> 02:49:37,709
willing to bet most people are going to go Trinity to Lake

3389
02:49:37,709 --> 02:49:40,920
view for the pure purpose of no traffic lights no stop signs

3390
02:49:40,920 --> 02:49:42,459
it's just right through.

3391
02:49:42,459 --> 02:49:45,219
And if you try to go to the west you're going to run into

3392
02:49:45,219 --> 02:49:48,229
not only the school traffic the community traffic coming

3393
02:49:48,229 --> 02:49:51,159
out of the subdivision I described to you as well as if you

3394
02:49:51,159 --> 02:49:52,459
go further to the east.

3395
02:49:52,459 --> 02:49:55,510
I think that's vacation village perhaps or there's some

3396
02:49:55,510 --> 02:49:57,459
homes by Camp Compass vacation.

3397
02:49:57,459 --> 02:50:00,459
All of those people are going the same direction.

3398
02:50:00,459 --> 02:50:03,200
You're going to have a huge traffic problem at that

3399
02:50:03,200 --> 02:50:05,030
intersection so if it were me I would immediately take a

3400
02:50:05,030 --> 02:50:07,459
left and drive an extra half mile and go right through the

3401
02:50:07,459 --> 02:50:10,510
subdivision with no lights no stop signs but police

3402
02:50:10,510 --> 02:50:13,459
officers limited limited.

3403
02:50:13,459 --> 02:50:15,459
We have to fight for that sir.

3404
02:50:15,459 --> 02:50:18,670
We can pull the swing and pull the city of didn't police

3405
02:50:18,670 --> 02:50:22,459
department, we have to fight for that I paid for that area.

3406
02:50:22,459 --> 02:50:26,600
Just answer your question because you bring up signage is a

3407
02:50:26,600 --> 02:50:30,459
real area that already five X is just a placeholder.

3408
02:50:30,459 --> 02:50:33,819
That's really not the point the signage part is only on any

3409
02:50:33,819 --> 02:50:37,180
on any frontage and Cindy can even our library if she wants

3410
02:50:37,180 --> 02:50:38,459
to be that signage.

3411
02:50:38,459 --> 02:50:41,799
The only place we can put it is is where roads touch the

3412
02:50:41,799 --> 02:50:43,459
property in question.

3413
02:50:43,459 --> 02:50:47,889
We can't go up to 380 and post a sign zoning two miles

3414
02:50:47,889 --> 02:50:52,450
south of here if you want to come on down and check it out.

3415
02:50:52,450 --> 02:50:52,459
Yeah, no, but I would expect that you would put one at the

3416
02:50:52,459 --> 02:50:52,459
intersection.

3417
02:50:52,459 --> 02:50:54,459
I mean you've got I don't know how many homes I'm just

3418
02:50:54,459 --> 02:50:56,719
going to speculate there's two or 300 homes in that

3419
02:50:56,719 --> 02:50:57,459
community.

3420
02:50:57,459 --> 02:51:00,459
And I don't think a lot of them know about this.

3421
02:51:00,459 --> 02:51:01,459
Sure.

3422
02:51:01,459 --> 02:51:04,780
And I, they're good. I already talked to some of them and

3423
02:51:04,780 --> 02:51:07,569
they have to wait in a line just to turn out of their

3424
02:51:07,569 --> 02:51:10,770
community in the current state and if you're adding what

3425
02:51:10,770 --> 02:51:14,459
500 units approximately two cars per household.

3426
02:51:14,459 --> 02:51:17,590
There's 1000 cars possibly. That's, that's just my

3427
02:51:17,590 --> 02:51:18,459
observation.

3428
02:51:18,459 --> 02:51:22,459
Okay, thank you. Okay, thank you. We saw more actually.

3429
02:51:22,459 --> 02:51:26,790
Commissioner pernetta. Yeah, you mentioned fire safety and

3430
02:51:26,790 --> 02:51:30,309
I'm guessing first responder response time and what

3431
02:51:30,309 --> 02:51:34,379
direction would fire department come from to your community

3432
02:51:34,379 --> 02:51:37,920
would they be coming up Trinity from McKinney or from

3433
02:51:37,920 --> 02:51:39,459
another direction,

3434
02:51:39,459 --> 02:51:44,629
they would probably be coming McKinney mills, you're right,

3435
02:51:44,629 --> 02:51:49,459
actually mills yes I go McKinney and Mills. Okay, so.

3436
02:51:49,459 --> 02:51:54,459
So right here. So basically up here so we wouldn't really.

3437
02:51:54,459 --> 02:52:00,729
So then in fact if there was a fire emergency, they wouldn

3438
02:52:00,729 --> 02:52:03,459
't be affected by by this.

3439
02:52:03,459 --> 02:52:06,159
Okay, I'm not in the present state I'm not aware of a fire

3440
02:52:06,159 --> 02:52:08,360
truck could even cross the one lane bridge I'm not sure of

3441
02:52:08,360 --> 02:52:09,459
the restrictions.

3442
02:52:09,459 --> 02:52:12,819
Okay, and that's, I just wanted to clarify that clarify

3443
02:52:12,819 --> 02:52:16,040
that because I know you raised that as a concern and I did

3444
02:52:16,040 --> 02:52:19,459
absolutely I didn't see where that would be an issue.

3445
02:52:19,459 --> 02:52:24,459
So, the, the question that commissioners.

3446
02:52:24,459 --> 02:52:28,170
Smith came up. Sorry, I'm like jumping all over, I've got

3447
02:52:28,170 --> 02:52:31,459
stuff all over.

3448
02:52:31,459 --> 02:52:35,819
I'm bought up as far as Trinity goes and the traffic, he

3449
02:52:35,819 --> 02:52:39,459
did mention that in order for this to work.

3450
02:52:39,459 --> 02:52:43,290
Someone would have to go an extra half mile plus out of

3451
02:52:43,290 --> 02:52:45,459
their way to go up Trinity.

3452
02:52:45,459 --> 02:52:49,290
You mentioned that that would still be preferable to a

3453
02:52:49,290 --> 02:52:53,459
developed post oak, or a widened McKinney to may hill.

3454
02:52:53,459 --> 02:52:59,489
What is the speed limit on Trinity that would make it that

3455
02:52:59,489 --> 02:53:03,459
advantageous standards speed trap.

3456
02:53:03,459 --> 02:53:05,799
I mean is it kind of it's kind of the auto bonds you know I

3457
02:53:05,799 --> 02:53:08,459
could just kind of blaze my bike up there and go through.

3458
02:53:08,459 --> 02:53:10,709
I wouldn't recommend that. But I mean, there's, I don't

3459
02:53:10,709 --> 02:53:12,959
know if there's a speed limit if there is, I don't know

3460
02:53:12,959 --> 02:53:15,389
that anybody does it there's, you know, people racing

3461
02:53:15,389 --> 02:53:16,459
through there, etc.

3462
02:53:16,459 --> 02:53:19,690
Okay, I'm just based on the way this is going to be laid

3463
02:53:19,690 --> 02:53:23,100
out and the fact that there is no access to Trinity except

3464
02:53:23,100 --> 02:53:25,459
for the emergency vehicle route.

3465
02:53:25,459 --> 02:53:30,680
I, I'm kind of failing to connect the dots on how traffic

3466
02:53:30,680 --> 02:53:34,459
would be impacted in that direction.

3467
02:53:34,459 --> 02:53:37,219
I guess those were the only well I think you know even the

3468
02:53:37,219 --> 02:53:39,750
gentleman with the woodlands when he was up here he said

3469
02:53:39,750 --> 02:53:42,459
people would take the path of least resistance.

3470
02:53:42,459 --> 02:53:45,899
They would take a path that didn't have stop signs or

3471
02:53:45,899 --> 02:53:49,590
traffic lights, even if it was a half a mile longer, and

3472
02:53:49,590 --> 02:53:51,459
fewer traffic lanes.

3473
02:53:51,459 --> 02:53:53,549
I mean there's no resistance, okay just shoot out right

3474
02:53:53,549 --> 02:53:56,670
where you need to go. So there are but there are no there

3475
02:53:56,670 --> 02:54:00,459
are no stop signs or anything like that along Trinity.

3476
02:54:00,459 --> 02:54:03,459
Okay. All right.

3477
02:54:03,459 --> 02:54:05,459
So one.

3478
02:54:05,459 --> 02:54:09,139
Okay, I believe the only stop sign is, is that the actual

3479
02:54:09,139 --> 02:54:10,459
one lane bridge.

3480
02:54:10,459 --> 02:54:15,459
Southbound courage. Okay.

3481
02:54:15,459 --> 02:54:17,459
I think that's all I've got.

3482
02:54:17,459 --> 02:54:23,459
Chris Rebecca. Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Jason.

3483
02:54:23,459 --> 02:54:27,020
Anytime there's new development there's always worrying

3484
02:54:27,020 --> 02:54:30,719
concern, basically about traffic property value and stuff

3485
02:54:30,719 --> 02:54:34,409
like that so we hear that a lot and we're, we're empathetic

3486
02:54:34,409 --> 02:54:35,459
towards that.

3487
02:54:35,459 --> 02:54:40,229
But inevitably, you're going to have development there, not

3488
02:54:40,229 --> 02:54:43,459
be this time. But you had mentioned.

3489
02:54:43,459 --> 02:54:46,280
And I was curious where you got this that this area was

3490
02:54:46,280 --> 02:54:49,459
zone for one home per acre, I believe it was five acres.

3491
02:54:49,459 --> 02:54:53,399
Well, and after listening to Cindy I believe it might have

3492
02:54:53,399 --> 02:54:57,680
been a temporary zoning but it was five RDX or your future

3493
02:54:57,680 --> 02:55:03,520
land use map refers to this low density area, which would

3494
02:55:03,520 --> 02:55:04,459
include neighborhood residential one.

3495
02:55:04,459 --> 02:55:07,459
Neighborhood residential to an R3 and an R4.

3496
02:55:07,459 --> 02:55:12,469
Each one means one home per acre to okay. So, in our fours,

3497
02:55:12,469 --> 02:55:15,430
which this is trying to accommodate, you know, if you

3498
02:55:15,430 --> 02:55:18,409
stretch the numbers a little bit you might come up with

3499
02:55:18,409 --> 02:55:21,399
five but you're getting in that area so inevitably what's

3500
02:55:21,399 --> 02:55:24,459
developed there could could be in there to post

3501
02:55:24,459 --> 02:55:29,850
post oak, as it comes through I've seen the mobility map,

3502
02:55:29,850 --> 02:55:35,459
and it's it's going to skirt across your lake lands there.

3503
02:55:35,459 --> 02:55:37,879
I'm not sure exactly where it may even go right through it

3504
02:55:37,879 --> 02:55:40,129
because then Lakeland Boulevard, it'll probably run

3505
02:55:40,129 --> 02:55:41,459
parallel with it.

3506
02:55:41,459 --> 02:55:44,270
Yeah, so you're going to get that for learning traffic and

3507
02:55:44,270 --> 02:55:45,459
that will be for laying.

3508
02:55:45,459 --> 02:55:59,090
The problem there is, is, is my understanding post so hasn

3509
02:55:59,090 --> 02:56:02,459
't even been.

3510
02:56:02,459 --> 02:56:05,690
There was traffic is going to be an issue there's no

3511
02:56:05,690 --> 02:56:09,579
avoiding that. But I understand the concern, and I think,

3512
02:56:09,579 --> 02:56:13,540
from what I've seen the developers have been over backwards

3513
02:56:13,540 --> 02:56:17,159
to minimize the impacts that this type of development is

3514
02:56:17,159 --> 02:56:18,459
going to have.

3515
02:56:18,459 --> 02:56:21,459
That's more than some people do and I think if they weren't

3516
02:56:21,459 --> 02:56:24,979
doing as much. I'd have a hard time with it too, but I don

3517
02:56:24,979 --> 02:56:28,399
't want you to think we're not sympathetic towards your

3518
02:56:28,399 --> 02:56:29,459
concerns we are.

3519
02:56:29,459 --> 02:56:32,219
I would just like to caution you I think you're, you're,

3520
02:56:32,219 --> 02:56:35,209
you're setting a precedence going forward there's, there's

3521
02:56:35,209 --> 02:56:37,920
other developers in the area that would love to expand on

3522
02:56:37,920 --> 02:56:40,770
that property is a beautiful piece of property has amazing

3523
02:56:40,770 --> 02:56:41,459
trees.

3524
02:56:41,459 --> 02:56:44,819
Talking about Lakeland, the woodlands, we're proposing the

3525
02:56:44,819 --> 02:56:47,819
site is a great piece of property in the surrounding area

3526
02:56:47,819 --> 02:56:51,139
is too. But I think you're setting a precedence going

3527
02:56:51,139 --> 02:56:54,309
forward by allowing this type of community there, and

3528
02:56:54,309 --> 02:56:56,459
possibly asking other developers to walk away from

3529
02:56:56,459 --> 02:57:00,020
future expansion, and it could be much greater size homes

3530
02:57:00,020 --> 02:57:03,559
on much larger lots preserving more trees more land, less

3531
02:57:03,559 --> 02:57:05,459
traffic less congestion.

3532
02:57:05,459 --> 02:57:09,239
Well, we take each development individually so I'm not sure

3533
02:57:09,239 --> 02:57:12,770
it's going to be an automated but again, right, you have

3534
02:57:12,770 --> 02:57:14,459
right to that concern.

3535
02:57:14,459 --> 02:57:18,930
But the thing I mentioned earlier, and I know everybody's

3536
02:57:18,930 --> 02:57:23,280
concerned about this I don't want to say that you're not,

3537
02:57:23,280 --> 02:57:26,940
but didn't need affordable housing. And I wish this was a

3538
02:57:26,940 --> 02:57:28,459
lot cheaper than it is but it's, there's none out there.

3539
02:57:28,459 --> 02:57:44,459
We have a homeless situation. Part of what contributes that

3540
02:57:44,459 --> 02:57:44,459
is people don't have a place to live. And this will help

3541
02:57:44,459 --> 02:57:44,459
accommodate that that's why the housing authority housing

3542
02:57:44,459 --> 02:57:44,459
authority got involved. So, that's got to be a

3543
02:57:44,459 --> 02:57:44,459
consideration we have to take into account

3544
02:57:44,459 --> 02:57:49,649
so we don't want it to be a cheap neighborhood. The

3545
02:57:49,649 --> 02:57:52,879
inference that, you know, it's a trailer park. It's not,

3546
02:57:52,879 --> 02:57:55,579
but it's not, you know, the traditional standard

3547
02:57:55,579 --> 02:57:58,459
residential home setting either realize that.

3548
02:57:58,459 --> 02:58:01,469
So the fact that he's gone out of his way that I had the

3549
02:58:01,469 --> 02:58:04,979
landscape the burns, the eight foot masonry wall, I think

3550
02:58:04,979 --> 02:58:07,459
will help offset some of that release.

3551
02:58:07,459 --> 02:58:10,770
That's my opinion on that. So, thank you though for coming

3552
02:58:10,770 --> 02:58:12,459
up and speaking.

3553
02:58:12,459 --> 02:58:16,459
Thank you, I hope we can help more. Commissioner Sanchez.

3554
02:58:16,459 --> 02:58:21,340
Yeah, I just wanted to say that when you said, the current,

3555
02:58:21,340 --> 02:58:23,459
well it was currently.

3556
02:58:23,459 --> 02:58:31,260
The classification was already five X, which is a holding

3557
02:58:31,260 --> 02:58:38,780
position. So right now they want to move it to an NR six.

3558
02:58:38,780 --> 02:58:46,459
So NR six mean that you can have up to six houses per acre.

3559
02:58:46,459 --> 02:58:46,459
And so, it's not really. When you're talking about there'd

3560
02:58:46,459 --> 02:58:46,459
be only one house for five acres that's not that's only a

3561
02:58:46,459 --> 02:58:46,459
holding position.

3562
02:58:46,459 --> 02:58:51,649
Well, I realize that now that Cindy's okay, given her

3563
02:58:51,649 --> 02:58:54,940
presentation. All right. And I just wanted to say is, you

3564
02:58:54,940 --> 02:58:56,790
look at Trinity, and you look at everything above that

3565
02:58:56,790 --> 02:58:59,459
development. That's all open land.

3566
02:58:59,459 --> 02:59:03,239
One day somebody's going to come in and you know, I sympath

3567
02:59:03,239 --> 02:59:06,870
ize with you because we build we're building faster than

3568
02:59:06,870 --> 02:59:10,860
when we're actually building roads to accommodate the, you

3569
02:59:10,860 --> 02:59:15,129
know, amount of people were putting out there. And so my,

3570
02:59:15,129 --> 02:59:18,459
my concern is if we stop this then I'm going to stop

3571
02:59:18,459 --> 02:59:22,879
anything north of that developing until we have, you know,

3572
02:59:22,879 --> 02:59:25,979
the right roads are going to stop, you know, people go

3573
02:59:25,979 --> 02:59:28,459
through Trinity Road, I've taken it because I can't.

3574
02:59:28,459 --> 02:59:32,569
You mentioned Vacation Village. I have some property out

3575
02:59:32,569 --> 02:59:36,489
there. And so I learned about that cutoff and I just get on

3576
02:59:36,489 --> 02:59:39,860
380. To me it's a lot faster than going all the way down

3577
02:59:39,860 --> 02:59:42,809
McKinney and dealing with all the traffic there. I just go

3578
02:59:42,809 --> 02:59:46,459
through there quick even though it's a single, single road

3579
02:59:46,459 --> 02:59:49,389
bridge. I can get through there a lot faster than going all

3580
02:59:49,389 --> 02:59:53,299
the way down McKinney. So I do utilize that. I have used it

3581
02:59:53,299 --> 02:59:55,459
, utilized it several times.

3582
02:59:55,459 --> 03:00:02,389
My concern is, is that Trinity Road that goes all the way

3583
03:00:02,389 --> 03:00:06,700
to 380, I know it goes to that subdivision, but that's a

3584
03:00:06,700 --> 03:00:08,459
public road, right?

3585
03:00:08,459 --> 03:00:11,719
And so are we going to restrict public roads when they go

3586
03:00:11,719 --> 03:00:15,479
through our neighborhood? And that's my biggest concern.

3587
03:00:15,479 --> 03:00:18,840
Everybody wants, doesn't want nobody go through their

3588
03:00:18,840 --> 03:00:22,180
neighborhood, but they're willing to go through other

3589
03:00:22,180 --> 03:00:26,110
people's neighborhoods to get where they want. And I know

3590
03:00:26,110 --> 03:00:30,030
that that subdivision, that road right there, if ever

3591
03:00:30,030 --> 03:00:32,840
becomes developed, it's going to push a lot of traffic

3592
03:00:32,840 --> 03:00:35,170
through that Trinity Road. It's going to push a lot of

3593
03:00:35,170 --> 03:00:37,459
traffic onto 380 so you can get to 380.

3594
03:00:37,459 --> 03:00:40,739
So it's just a matter of time I think before that road gets

3595
03:00:40,739 --> 03:00:44,459
developed and pushes enough so you can have enough traffic.

3596
03:00:44,459 --> 03:00:49,309
So that's my concern is long term, how are we going to deal

3597
03:00:49,309 --> 03:00:52,459
with that whole area? It's going to get developed.

3598
03:00:52,459 --> 03:00:55,879
Well I think the way you deal with it is first by starting

3599
03:00:55,879 --> 03:01:00,079
with a lower density. A higher density won't solve your

3600
03:01:00,079 --> 03:01:01,459
traffic problem.

3601
03:01:01,459 --> 03:01:06,000
Well, the problem is the city is expanding and you can't

3602
03:01:06,000 --> 03:01:10,629
build one acre homes all the way outside to outside the

3603
03:01:10,629 --> 03:01:13,709
loop. At some point you have to start building higher

3604
03:01:13,709 --> 03:01:16,590
density homes because you can't put everybody on five acres

3605
03:01:16,590 --> 03:01:19,459
, otherwise we're going to be all the way to McKinney.

3606
03:01:19,459 --> 03:01:23,399
Agreed. Okay, so that's what they're doing is, you know, we

3607
03:01:23,399 --> 03:01:27,079
have to find areas at one time, it was within the loop. Now

3608
03:01:27,079 --> 03:01:30,090
that city is expanding and what used to be rural is no

3609
03:01:30,090 --> 03:01:33,090
longer rural. It's, it's at that point that you know we

3610
03:01:33,090 --> 03:01:35,459
have to develop those properties because people are coming

3611
03:01:35,459 --> 03:01:36,459
in.

3612
03:01:36,459 --> 03:01:40,399
My biggest concern is we're not building the roads to be

3613
03:01:40,399 --> 03:01:44,260
able to move the traffic that's being created. And I

3614
03:01:44,260 --> 03:01:48,069
sympathize with you because I take that all the time,

3615
03:01:48,069 --> 03:01:52,520
Trinity Road. And when you take Mills, Mills is not even a

3616
03:01:52,520 --> 03:01:53,459
road.

3617
03:01:53,459 --> 03:01:56,670
I would consider it more of a trail, you know, it's really

3618
03:01:56,670 --> 03:01:59,420
a bad road. So it's a whole lot easier just to go up

3619
03:01:59,420 --> 03:02:02,709
Trinity. So I just want to mention we have to consider long

3620
03:02:02,709 --> 03:02:05,729
term, where are we going to go in that area because it's

3621
03:02:05,729 --> 03:02:09,459
going to be developed. Once this gets, if this gets

3622
03:02:09,459 --> 03:02:11,610
developed, you're going to start seeing more development up

3623
03:02:11,610 --> 03:02:12,459
in that area.

3624
03:02:12,459 --> 03:02:16,059
I agree. Again, I just think that the density is not going

3625
03:02:16,059 --> 03:02:19,559
to solve a traffic issue though. I think we need to be more

3626
03:02:19,559 --> 03:02:23,700
cautious of that going forward. It's really in a corner. So

3627
03:02:23,700 --> 03:02:29,459
to put that many residents in one spot is, is tragic really

3628
03:02:29,459 --> 03:02:30,459
.

3629
03:02:30,459 --> 03:02:46,530
I mean, there's no answer. I just told you I use it. Yeah.

3630
03:02:46,530 --> 03:02:46,629
And I know it's going to get used. Well, you're just

3631
03:02:46,629 --> 03:02:46,739
helping prove my point. But eventually that's going to

3632
03:02:46,739 --> 03:02:46,840
become a major road and it's going to come right through

3633
03:02:46,840 --> 03:02:46,969
that through your, through your neighborhood. It's going to

3634
03:02:46,969 --> 03:02:48,850
go right through there because that's going to be one of

3635
03:02:48,850 --> 03:02:55,459
the few accesses to 380 quick, you know.

3636
03:02:55,459 --> 03:02:58,370
So actually I got on the board to get in line and then we

3637
03:02:58,370 --> 03:03:01,200
'll go to Commissioner Pernetta. First, thank you for being

3638
03:03:01,200 --> 03:03:03,440
here. Thank you for representing everyone. Looking forward

3639
03:03:03,440 --> 03:03:05,459
to hearing what I wanted to say.

3640
03:03:05,459 --> 03:03:09,790
I just wanted to probably lay out where my thought process

3641
03:03:09,790 --> 03:03:13,739
is and if this informs people how to respond, all the

3642
03:03:13,739 --> 03:03:18,340
better. But a couple things that are resonating in my mind

3643
03:03:18,340 --> 03:03:22,559
is when I look at this property and look at the surrounding

3644
03:03:22,559 --> 03:03:25,459
land uses as well as our mobility.

3645
03:03:25,459 --> 03:03:29,170
It does seem to be a fitting land use for that and I can go

3646
03:03:29,170 --> 03:03:33,079
into that for two reasons. One, our mobility plan,

3647
03:03:33,079 --> 03:03:37,170
regardless of the time of implementation, we know McKinney

3648
03:03:37,170 --> 03:03:39,979
will be done. We don't know. I shouldn't say that

3649
03:03:39,979 --> 03:03:40,459
confidently.

3650
03:03:40,459 --> 03:03:47,049
It's scheduled to be done in 2020 and that would be a four

3651
03:03:47,049 --> 03:03:53,049
lane divided road and then post oak which will run directly

3652
03:03:53,049 --> 03:03:58,459
in between the perspective land and Ashley Oaks.

3653
03:03:58,459 --> 03:04:02,139
That's a primary arterial. So that's a six lane divided

3654
03:04:02,139 --> 03:04:06,079
road. So that corner that they're proposing to put a street

3655
03:04:06,079 --> 03:04:10,290
light on will be identical to McKinney and loop 288 in terms

3656
03:04:10,290 --> 03:04:11,459
of the size.

3657
03:04:11,459 --> 03:04:15,610
And so when I think about McKinney and loop 288, it's hard

3658
03:04:15,610 --> 03:04:19,329
for me to imagine one acre homes going in there and finding

3659
03:04:19,329 --> 03:04:23,139
a market for larger single family homes at an intersection

3660
03:04:23,139 --> 03:04:24,459
that massive.

3661
03:04:24,459 --> 03:04:26,430
I know it concern about the viability of the project that

3662
03:04:26,430 --> 03:04:29,629
they're presenting considering how dense that will be. You

3663
03:04:29,629 --> 03:04:33,209
mean the intersection at Mayhill? No, McKinney and loop 288

3664
03:04:33,209 --> 03:04:36,459
. Although McKinney and Mayhill look the same. They're all

3665
03:04:36,459 --> 03:04:37,459
primary arterials.

3666
03:04:37,459 --> 03:04:42,399
You'll have Bonnie Bray, Carol, loop 288, Mayhill, post oak

3667
03:04:42,399 --> 03:04:46,610
. Those will all be the same capacity of roads across Denton

3668
03:04:46,610 --> 03:04:50,989
. Those are how the vertical struts of our city are planned.

3669
03:04:50,989 --> 03:04:54,459
So post oak is intended to relieve traffic from loop 288

3670
03:04:54,459 --> 03:04:54,459
and then Mayhill and then post oak.

3671
03:04:54,459 --> 03:04:57,219
That's going to run right next to the property. And so it's

3672
03:04:57,219 --> 03:05:00,860
designed to get people north from I-35 to 380. That's the

3673
03:05:00,860 --> 03:05:03,149
intent of it. It's going to be designed to get traffic that

3674
03:05:03,149 --> 03:05:05,459
way and they're going to dump right onto that property.

3675
03:05:05,459 --> 03:05:09,500
On the east side, Trinity and the mobility plan will be

3676
03:05:09,500 --> 03:05:14,610
renamed to Lakeview and that's a collector road. And so the

3677
03:05:14,610 --> 03:05:20,959
city has in our mobility plan that Lakeview Boulevard is

3678
03:05:20,959 --> 03:05:25,459
designed to connect McKinney to 380.

3679
03:05:25,459 --> 03:05:28,200
That's the design of the city is to connect those two

3680
03:05:28,200 --> 03:05:30,489
streets. And I'm not sure if you're aware of this. This

3681
03:05:30,489 --> 03:05:32,790
would be a larger concern if I was in the area. The

3682
03:05:32,790 --> 03:05:35,590
adjacent property of the southwest of Lakeview Ranch that's

3683
03:05:35,590 --> 03:05:39,459
undeveloped I think where that one lane bridge is.

3684
03:05:39,459 --> 03:05:43,770
The southwest? The southwest of that highlighted yellow

3685
03:05:43,770 --> 03:05:44,459
part.

3686
03:05:44,459 --> 03:05:48,549
So if we're looking at the map, it's to... Just above the

3687
03:05:48,549 --> 03:05:51,459
mobile home park? Yeah, well to the right.

3688
03:05:51,459 --> 03:05:55,459
That would be southeast.

3689
03:05:55,459 --> 03:05:59,659
Oh, okay. Okay. On either side of that, so it looks like

3690
03:05:59,659 --> 03:06:02,489
Trinity kind of turns right there. On either side of that

3691
03:06:02,489 --> 03:06:05,729
diagonal, if you think like a bow tie, that both those

3692
03:06:05,729 --> 03:06:09,879
zoning on either side of that road is mixed use residential

3693
03:06:09,879 --> 03:06:12,459
12, which is a highly intensive use.

3694
03:06:12,459 --> 03:06:16,729
10,000 square foot retail, 12 units per acre duplexes. That

3695
03:06:16,729 --> 03:06:19,879
's by right. If someone bought that property that could go

3696
03:06:19,879 --> 03:06:26,989
up tomorrow, it wouldn't even come to us. And so the... I

3697
03:06:26,989 --> 03:06:29,709
guess to not belabor the point, there's going to be density

3698
03:06:29,709 --> 03:06:30,459
on Lakeview.

3699
03:06:30,459 --> 03:06:32,920
Hopefully it gets... It sounds like it's a bad street to

3700
03:06:32,920 --> 03:06:35,219
begin with and hopefully there may be some speed mitigators

3701
03:06:35,219 --> 03:06:37,879
like speed bumps or something that could help you. But Lake

3702
03:06:37,879 --> 03:06:39,459
view is going to be built out.

3703
03:06:39,459 --> 03:06:43,399
We've tried that so many times. I understand. But when we

3704
03:06:43,399 --> 03:06:47,850
're looking at this property, considering how much traffic

3705
03:06:47,850 --> 03:06:50,459
is going to be forced there from a city onto that corner,

3706
03:06:50,459 --> 03:06:52,930
it's hard for me to fathom that once that's built that they

3707
03:06:52,930 --> 03:06:55,459
would go to the new Lakeview to go north.

3708
03:06:55,459 --> 03:06:58,420
But even if they do, that's the way the city has designed

3709
03:06:58,420 --> 03:07:02,000
that street. And unfortunately it goes through development.

3710
03:07:02,000 --> 03:07:05,170
But from looking at, from my perspective, how the city has

3711
03:07:05,170 --> 03:07:08,340
agreed from council and commissions before us of how that

3712
03:07:08,340 --> 03:07:12,049
land is going to be navigated, it does seem like a fitting

3713
03:07:12,049 --> 03:07:15,459
property, especially sandwiched in between two properties.

3714
03:07:15,459 --> 03:07:18,299
So that's where I'm coming from. I appreciate... I'm

3715
03:07:18,299 --> 03:07:20,870
wanting to hear all the feedback here. That's what I'm

3716
03:07:20,870 --> 03:07:23,440
going to be listening to to understand how it's not a good

3717
03:07:23,440 --> 03:07:26,459
fit. With that, I'll give it to Commissioner Pernetta.

3718
03:07:26,459 --> 03:07:29,700
Thank you. Actually, you said a lot of the things that I

3719
03:07:29,700 --> 03:07:33,059
was going to say, Chair Wiesel. Because one of the things

3720
03:07:33,059 --> 03:07:36,309
that, you know, I know everyone has a vested interest in

3721
03:07:36,309 --> 03:07:39,670
this. One of the things that we have to consider when we're

3722
03:07:39,670 --> 03:07:42,989
making our decision is does what is presented fit with what

3723
03:07:42,989 --> 03:07:45,459
is surrounding this right now?

3724
03:07:45,459 --> 03:07:49,149
Now, I know a lot of people are looking at zoning and going

3725
03:07:49,149 --> 03:07:53,360
, well, you know, there's the RDX-5 and there's, you know,

3726
03:07:53,360 --> 03:07:57,459
the NR-2, just off to the west of that. Having said that,

3727
03:07:57,459 --> 03:08:00,680
you know, in that NR-2, which I believe the pre-existing

3728
03:08:00,680 --> 03:08:04,829
property, which is a mobile home park, was grandfathered in

3729
03:08:04,829 --> 03:08:05,459
there.

3730
03:08:05,459 --> 03:08:09,280
So when you look at that one, Ashley Oaks and Denton Falls,

3731
03:08:09,280 --> 03:08:13,260
what they're proposing is actually completely conforms to

3732
03:08:13,260 --> 03:08:17,909
what immediately surrounds it. And in some ways, it appears

3733
03:08:17,909 --> 03:08:22,059
to be a nicer development. So based on the plan that they

3734
03:08:22,059 --> 03:08:23,459
've submitted to us.

3735
03:08:23,459 --> 03:08:27,610
So as of now, based on the fact that when we consider the

3736
03:08:27,610 --> 03:08:31,940
character of what's there and what we want, what is being

3737
03:08:31,940 --> 03:08:36,309
asked to be put there, I haven't seen compelling evidence

3738
03:08:36,309 --> 03:08:38,459
to vote against this.

3739
03:08:38,459 --> 03:08:41,219
You know, you mentioned something about holding out for

3740
03:08:41,219 --> 03:08:43,969
developers who will put in, you know, one-acre homes and

3741
03:08:43,969 --> 03:08:47,049
everything. Well, my understanding is that they already own

3742
03:08:47,049 --> 03:08:50,049
this property, so unless they're going to change, you know,

3743
03:08:50,049 --> 03:08:52,829
direction midstream and, you know, put mega homes on one

3744
03:08:52,829 --> 03:08:56,129
acre, and, you know, I don't think they are inclined to do

3745
03:08:56,129 --> 03:09:00,209
that. They seem to put some time into this already. I'm not

3746
03:09:00,209 --> 03:09:03,459
seeing that as being an option.

3747
03:09:03,459 --> 03:09:05,719
I wish I could elaborate more on that. The surrounding

3748
03:09:05,719 --> 03:09:08,200
property, unfortunately, as a result of the woodlands, is

3749
03:09:08,200 --> 03:09:10,459
my understanding went up for sale immediately.

3750
03:09:10,459 --> 03:09:12,459
Okay.

3751
03:09:12,459 --> 03:09:15,280
And on that one, I'm sure that will come before us at some

3752
03:09:15,280 --> 03:09:19,139
point in the future. My next thing is, Cindy, just out of

3753
03:09:19,139 --> 03:09:22,309
curiosity, because I know a lot of this is based on

3754
03:09:22,309 --> 03:09:26,280
hypotheticals in terms of traffic patterns. Do we know

3755
03:09:26,280 --> 03:09:31,459
approximately when Post Oak will be ready for the traffic

3756
03:09:31,459 --> 03:09:32,459
that we hope will?

3757
03:09:32,459 --> 03:09:38,459
Well, are you talking the entirety of Post Oak?

3758
03:09:38,459 --> 03:09:43,620
I guess the portion that would line up next to where we're

3759
03:09:43,620 --> 03:09:49,409
at, that would hopefully, in effect, divert anybody from

3760
03:09:49,409 --> 03:09:52,459
wanting to go a half a mile south.

3761
03:09:52,459 --> 03:09:59,459
The applicant can answer that.

3762
03:09:59,459 --> 03:10:02,790
We've worked a lot with staff and looking at Post Oak. Post

3763
03:10:02,790 --> 03:10:06,729
Oak at one time was planned to be on Trinity, and then they

3764
03:10:06,729 --> 03:10:10,950
moved. We worked with staff to, another thing we did about

3765
03:10:10,950 --> 03:10:14,850
three or four months in, is to move that thoroughfare from

3766
03:10:14,850 --> 03:10:17,459
Trinity to where we're proposing our west property line.

3767
03:10:17,459 --> 03:10:20,219
So what does that mean? That means when Post Oak is

3768
03:10:20,219 --> 03:10:23,239
extended in the future, instead of going on Trinity, it's

3769
03:10:23,239 --> 03:10:26,170
going on the west side of our property north versus going

3770
03:10:26,170 --> 03:10:29,290
right through the heart of the subdivision, through their

3771
03:10:29,290 --> 03:10:30,459
subdivision.

3772
03:10:30,459 --> 03:10:34,399
So, something that we did early on is to amend the thorough

3773
03:10:34,399 --> 03:10:38,579
fare plan, and it was, we had those discussions, Richard,

3774
03:10:38,579 --> 03:10:42,110
and that moves Post Oak and aligns it further west and

3775
03:10:42,110 --> 03:10:44,459
doesn't put it down Trinity.

3776
03:10:44,459 --> 03:10:47,829
Do we have an approximate time when Post Oak would be ready

3777
03:10:47,829 --> 03:10:49,459
to accept that traffic?

3778
03:10:49,459 --> 03:10:53,399
We've asked staff, they're not sure. So we're trying to

3779
03:10:53,399 --> 03:10:56,530
jumpstart it by the first 1,200 feet and dedicate all the

3780
03:10:56,530 --> 03:10:59,430
right of way. So we're trying to jumpstart that, establish

3781
03:10:59,430 --> 03:11:01,879
the intersection, which that gives more reason to get it

3782
03:11:01,879 --> 03:11:04,459
done sooner, but staff couldn't tell us exactly when.

3783
03:11:04,459 --> 03:11:06,629
But that section you're thinking about would be somewhere

3784
03:11:06,629 --> 03:11:08,459
around the time you're ready with Phase 1?

3785
03:11:08,459 --> 03:11:13,139
Our part will be done with our project further north of us,

3786
03:11:13,139 --> 03:11:15,739
I don't know. But what the big condition that changes is

3787
03:11:15,739 --> 03:11:17,680
McKinney goes to a two-lane road to a four-lane road, and

3788
03:11:17,680 --> 03:11:21,309
Mayhill, under construction today, goes to a four-lane

3789
03:11:21,309 --> 03:11:22,459
divided road.

3790
03:11:22,459 --> 03:11:25,469
So that substantially changes that area. And I know

3791
03:11:25,469 --> 03:11:28,879
construction traffic too can, it changes patterns and it's

3792
03:11:28,879 --> 03:11:32,420
frustrating. And I know Mayhill's under construction, but

3793
03:11:32,420 --> 03:11:35,610
ultimately by the time we sell our first unit, or at least

3794
03:11:35,610 --> 03:11:38,799
our first unit, those bigger things are done, which the

3795
03:11:38,799 --> 03:11:40,459
dynamic changes a lot.

3796
03:11:40,459 --> 03:11:44,520
So, do you have Post Oak, your section of Post Oak, is it

3797
03:11:44,520 --> 03:11:46,459
connected to a certain phase?

3798
03:11:46,459 --> 03:11:49,610
I think we have tied it to Phase 1, it's adjacent to our

3799
03:11:49,610 --> 03:11:53,020
Phase 1. We have no concerns, we'll put that in as soon as

3800
03:11:53,020 --> 03:11:56,459
the City wants it. But we were intending to do Phase 1.

3801
03:11:56,459 --> 03:11:58,459
Alright, thank you.

3802
03:11:58,459 --> 03:12:00,459
Assuming that would be a dead end then?

3803
03:12:00,459 --> 03:12:04,459
It would, until the City continued it.

3804
03:12:04,459 --> 03:12:08,450
That's all the questions we have for you. Appreciate your

3805
03:12:08,450 --> 03:12:09,459
time.

3806
03:12:09,459 --> 03:12:17,459
Next one we have is, I think it's Merritt Kirk.

3807
03:12:17,459 --> 03:12:26,459
Gotcha. Thank you for the correction.

3808
03:12:26,459 --> 03:12:29,709
I'm with you. If you could state your name and address for

3809
03:12:29,709 --> 03:12:32,520
the record, and I'm sorry, can you pull that mic back

3810
03:12:32,520 --> 03:12:33,459
towards you?

3811
03:12:33,459 --> 03:12:40,399
My name is Merritt Kirk, and I live at 1301 Lakeview Boule

3812
03:12:40,399 --> 03:12:43,459
vard with my lovely bride.

3813
03:12:43,459 --> 03:12:50,459
I've heard a lot about future roads and plans and so forth,

3814
03:12:50,459 --> 03:12:53,899
so I thought I might bring a little bit of the real world

3815
03:12:53,899 --> 03:12:56,459
in here, in terms of what happens on our street.

3816
03:12:56,459 --> 03:13:01,000
Now, we don't live behind a gate. Our street is right in

3817
03:13:01,000 --> 03:13:06,010
front of our house, and it's crumbling, and there's people

3818
03:13:06,010 --> 03:13:10,459
speeding up and down the road at all hours of the day.

3819
03:13:10,459 --> 03:13:16,760
But anyway, to try to quantify the safety issue, my wife

3820
03:13:16,760 --> 03:13:22,799
and I did a little survey door to door on how many mailbox

3821
03:13:22,799 --> 03:13:28,340
es have been demolished or badly damaged in the years that

3822
03:13:28,340 --> 03:13:31,459
we've lived there, which is about 13, 14 years.

3823
03:13:31,459 --> 03:13:37,879
There are 37 properties, including our clubhouse, on the

3824
03:13:37,879 --> 03:13:44,190
street, and it's roughly a mile from 380 down to where we

3825
03:13:44,190 --> 03:13:46,459
hook into Trinity.

3826
03:13:46,459 --> 03:13:54,510
And in the period that we've been there, we've had 51

3827
03:13:54,510 --> 03:14:02,750
incidents where the mailboxes were either crashed into or

3828
03:14:02,750 --> 03:14:05,459
badly damaged.

3829
03:14:05,459 --> 03:14:14,129
And in some cases, the individual properties have been hit

3830
03:14:14,129 --> 03:14:18,079
three times. Matter of fact, I have a neighbor two doors

3831
03:14:18,079 --> 03:14:18,459
down.

3832
03:14:18,459 --> 03:14:24,100
He just rebuilt his mailbox, and one week later, it was

3833
03:14:24,100 --> 03:14:26,459
crashed into again.

3834
03:14:26,459 --> 03:14:30,459
So now I just put up a temporary. These mailboxes are

3835
03:14:30,459 --> 03:14:35,090
substantial. I mean, most of them are brick with an encased

3836
03:14:35,090 --> 03:14:37,459
. If you hit one, you know it.

3837
03:14:37,459 --> 03:14:54,350
Anyway, I have if this thing will this we turn on. We get

3838
03:14:54,350 --> 03:15:01,170
the eye on this guy on. Show you here on the property 37

3839
03:15:01,170 --> 03:15:01,459
properties.

3840
03:15:01,459 --> 03:15:07,459
Step closer.

3841
03:15:07,459 --> 03:15:12,780
And you'll see that what I have there is that the X is

3842
03:15:12,780 --> 03:15:14,459
indicate the number of incidents.

3843
03:15:14,459 --> 03:15:17,219
And this is, as I say, over a period since we've lived

3844
03:15:17,219 --> 03:15:23,459
there, we moved in in December of '04. So 13 to 14 years.

3845
03:15:23,459 --> 03:15:30,389
And a number of them have had three times mailboxes knocked

3846
03:15:30,389 --> 03:15:31,459
down.

3847
03:15:31,459 --> 03:15:35,790
And so, you know, we have a neighborhood where we hopefully

3848
03:15:35,790 --> 03:15:39,659
we're kind of open in the open country where we can enjoy

3849
03:15:39,659 --> 03:15:45,379
the peace and quiet of having a yard around us, which, you

3850
03:15:45,379 --> 03:15:47,459
know, we try to maintain.

3851
03:15:47,459 --> 03:15:58,829
And so it's a little bit risky when you go out and somebody

3852
03:15:58,829 --> 03:16:02,579
little kids want to ride their bikes or we want to just

3853
03:16:02,579 --> 03:16:06,459
take a walk or go out and get our mailbox, our mail.

3854
03:16:06,459 --> 03:16:11,389
I have a neighbor who says that when he edges his yard, his

3855
03:16:11,389 --> 03:16:16,850
wife is standing there telling him, here comes another one.

3856
03:16:16,850 --> 03:16:18,459
No, get over. This is the real world we're living in here.

3857
03:16:18,459 --> 03:16:22,020
And the cars and many cases are doing well over the speed

3858
03:16:22,020 --> 03:16:25,750
limit, despite the fact that it's posted at 30 miles per

3859
03:16:25,750 --> 03:16:26,459
hour.

3860
03:16:26,459 --> 03:16:31,049
And despite the fact that there have been many calls to the

3861
03:16:31,049 --> 03:16:35,370
police, both the county and the city, to come out and

3862
03:16:35,370 --> 03:16:39,879
enforce. And when they come out, magically the speed goes

3863
03:16:39,879 --> 03:16:40,459
down.

3864
03:16:40,459 --> 03:16:45,459
And the minute they leave, almost the speed goes back up.

3865
03:16:45,459 --> 03:16:48,459
And so it's really a quite dangerous situation.

3866
03:16:48,459 --> 03:16:52,979
And I have personally, in going down the street, tried to

3867
03:16:52,979 --> 03:16:57,690
maintain me even three miles above 30, try to be nice and

3868
03:16:57,690 --> 03:16:59,459
cars will pass me.

3869
03:16:59,459 --> 03:17:03,139
You know, they could tailgate me and then pass me. And so

3870
03:17:03,139 --> 03:17:09,520
people have no fear whatsoever of being arrested unless

3871
03:17:09,520 --> 03:17:12,459
they just got a ticket.

3872
03:17:12,459 --> 03:17:29,459
So anyway, this is my data here. I'll show you. And that's

3873
03:17:29,459 --> 03:17:29,459
the second page.

3874
03:17:29,459 --> 03:17:33,750
We personally witnessed one day a car crashing into a tree,

3875
03:17:33,750 --> 03:17:37,459
an SUV, not very far from where we were walking.

3876
03:17:37,459 --> 03:17:41,809
So it's a very dangerous thing. And so when we hear about

3877
03:17:41,809 --> 03:17:49,819
the development of this nature, 500 homes, 1,000 or more

3878
03:17:49,819 --> 03:17:50,459
cars,

3879
03:17:50,459 --> 03:17:54,020
and I know the argument about they're not likely to go over

3880
03:17:54,020 --> 03:17:55,459
to Trinity and go up.

3881
03:17:55,459 --> 03:18:00,860
But if you're working, and this point's been made by some

3882
03:18:00,860 --> 03:18:06,489
other people in our group, that if you're working in Frisco

3883
03:18:06,489 --> 03:18:08,459
or east of Lakeview,

3884
03:18:08,459 --> 03:18:11,280
and you're coming down there and you're trying to decide

3885
03:18:11,280 --> 03:18:14,459
how I want to get home, you can wheel right down there.

3886
03:18:14,459 --> 03:18:18,260
Don't worry about the speed. Wheel right down there and go

3887
03:18:18,260 --> 03:18:21,459
down Trinity, take a right, and you're home.

3888
03:18:21,459 --> 03:18:26,100
Rather than go down, get in a line, getting off wherever

3889
03:18:26,100 --> 03:18:30,360
May Hill or however that's going to work or the loop or

3890
03:18:30,360 --> 03:18:31,459
whatever,

3891
03:18:31,459 --> 03:18:42,459
we have real concern about the added traffic and added -- I

3892
03:18:42,459 --> 03:18:42,459
'm done.

3893
03:18:42,459 --> 03:18:44,860
We actually have a question for you, so hopefully he gets

3894
03:18:44,860 --> 03:18:45,459
more time. Commissioner Smith.

3895
03:18:45,459 --> 03:18:49,170
Thank you, Chair. Did you happen to have a source on the

3896
03:18:49,170 --> 03:18:52,459
perps, the people who caused the accidents?

3897
03:18:52,459 --> 03:18:55,219
Did you happen to know where they're from? Was it the kids

3898
03:18:55,219 --> 03:18:56,459
coming from the high school?

3899
03:18:56,459 --> 03:19:00,459
Well, it's all -- well, not really, but I'm only in Miami.

3900
03:19:00,459 --> 03:19:01,459
Did you ever hear anything from the assistance?

3901
03:19:01,459 --> 03:19:04,819
We had ours knocked down once. Our daughter and her family

3902
03:19:04,819 --> 03:19:06,459
had theirs knocked down once.

3903
03:19:06,459 --> 03:19:16,020
And that person was from our daughter's place. They said

3904
03:19:16,020 --> 03:19:18,909
they were on their way -- they actually jumped out of the

3905
03:19:18,909 --> 03:19:19,459
car and ran,

3906
03:19:19,459 --> 03:19:22,690
but they went airborne when they hit the driveway and went

3907
03:19:22,690 --> 03:19:23,459
airborne.

3908
03:19:23,459 --> 03:19:26,469
And the guy ran off and then he came back. But he said he

3909
03:19:26,469 --> 03:19:30,459
was going after somebody else to take to a party.

3910
03:19:30,459 --> 03:19:33,459
That was his answer. And he was not in the community.

3911
03:19:33,459 --> 03:19:36,950
The people that hit ours, do you remember how many? I don't

3912
03:19:36,950 --> 03:19:40,459
know, but we were fortunate because the person left

3913
03:19:40,459 --> 03:19:40,459
information

3914
03:19:40,459 --> 03:19:44,870
and the insurance company paid for the -- doing a mailbox,

3915
03:19:44,870 --> 03:19:49,459
which was about $600, $600, $800.

3916
03:19:49,459 --> 03:19:53,760
I'm not saying that this means that the development of this

3917
03:19:53,760 --> 03:19:57,459
Woodlands community wouldn't add to your problem,

3918
03:19:57,459 --> 03:20:03,909
but I would wonder how many of those speeders, how many of

3919
03:20:03,909 --> 03:20:05,459
those people who run the mailboxes,

3920
03:20:05,459 --> 03:20:09,510
come from those communities that are down there along

3921
03:20:09,510 --> 03:20:10,459
Trinity?

3922
03:20:10,459 --> 03:20:12,700
I don't know if it's high schoolers, whoever else it is, or

3923
03:20:12,700 --> 03:20:13,459
anything else.

3924
03:20:13,459 --> 03:20:16,280
Now, I would like to ask Cindy -- and I don't leave you, I

3925
03:20:16,280 --> 03:20:18,459
've got another question for you then.

3926
03:20:18,459 --> 03:20:21,620
Cindy, if you could come up and maybe you -- you may know,

3927
03:20:21,620 --> 03:20:22,459
you may not.

3928
03:20:22,459 --> 03:20:25,909
Is this -- Lakeview Ranch, clarification. I'm assuming it

3929
03:20:25,909 --> 03:20:30,459
is because the city police goes out there and monitors it.

3930
03:20:30,459 --> 03:20:34,659
City-owned street, correct? What is the process for a

3931
03:20:34,659 --> 03:20:38,459
neighborhood to request speed bumps?

3932
03:20:38,459 --> 03:20:41,809
Gee, you know, I would think they'd have to go to the

3933
03:20:41,809 --> 03:20:44,459
streets department and talk to them.

3934
03:20:44,459 --> 03:20:47,459
I'm not certain, but that's what I would do.

3935
03:20:47,459 --> 03:20:52,209
It was my understanding that because emergency vehicles

3936
03:20:52,209 --> 03:20:56,229
might need to use the roads, that we could have speed bumps

3937
03:20:56,229 --> 03:20:56,459
.

3938
03:20:56,459 --> 03:20:58,459
I don't know. I've never realized that.

3939
03:20:58,459 --> 03:21:00,459
That's probably very true.

3940
03:21:00,459 --> 03:21:02,459
Because that's all in one way in and one way out.

3941
03:21:02,459 --> 03:21:10,459
That's it. There's nothing. That's unfortunate.

3942
03:21:10,459 --> 03:21:12,459
Okay, I'm done.

3943
03:21:12,459 --> 03:21:14,459
Thank you.

3944
03:21:14,459 --> 03:21:18,459
Thank you, Mr. Kirk.

3945
03:21:18,459 --> 03:21:22,459
Next up is Martha Lang.

3946
03:21:22,459 --> 03:21:28,190
If you could just state your name and address for the

3947
03:21:28,190 --> 03:21:29,459
record.

3948
03:21:29,459 --> 03:21:31,879
And I just want to re-mention, if you're wanting to speak,

3949
03:21:31,879 --> 03:21:33,459
you're more than welcome to do so.

3950
03:21:33,459 --> 03:21:36,209
We ask that you fill out a card, but if not, you can just

3951
03:21:36,209 --> 03:21:38,459
come in order once everyone's cleared out.

3952
03:21:38,459 --> 03:21:42,500
My name's Martha Lang. I live at 908 Lakeview Boulevard and

3953
03:21:42,500 --> 03:21:43,459
Lakeview Ranch.

3954
03:21:43,459 --> 03:21:45,459
I've lived there for over 15 years.

3955
03:21:45,459 --> 03:21:48,219
I'm one of the fortunate ones that's had a mailbox hit

3956
03:21:48,219 --> 03:21:50,459
three times in the last 10 months.

3957
03:21:50,459 --> 03:21:54,540
One of it completely destroyed from a young man coming from

3958
03:21:54,540 --> 03:21:58,079
Ashley Oaks, because he did stop and we did get his

3959
03:21:58,079 --> 03:21:59,459
information.

3960
03:21:59,459 --> 03:22:01,459
The other two, no one stopped.

3961
03:22:01,459 --> 03:22:05,069
We've had numerous cases of property damage with people

3962
03:22:05,069 --> 03:22:07,459
going off the road into the yards.

3963
03:22:07,459 --> 03:22:12,459
So the safety issue on Lakeview is a huge, huge problem.

3964
03:22:12,459 --> 03:22:15,799
I strongly disagree with the applicant saying that people

3965
03:22:15,799 --> 03:22:18,459
are going to take the path of least resistance,

3966
03:22:18,459 --> 03:22:22,409
because that is the path of least resistance, like Jason

3967
03:22:22,409 --> 03:22:23,459
was saying.

3968
03:22:23,459 --> 03:22:26,290
Everyone from the high school to any of these other

3969
03:22:26,290 --> 03:22:28,459
developments come through there.

3970
03:22:28,459 --> 03:22:33,059
I think that we all bought these properties there because

3971
03:22:33,059 --> 03:22:34,459
of the rural feel,

3972
03:22:34,459 --> 03:22:38,200
and we'd like to try to maintain that and changing the

3973
03:22:38,200 --> 03:22:41,459
zoning on this property would eliminate that,

3974
03:22:41,459 --> 03:22:43,920
but it would also set a really bad precedence for any

3975
03:22:43,920 --> 03:22:45,459
future properties around that.

3976
03:22:45,459 --> 03:22:49,819
I understand the cities need to have different types of

3977
03:22:49,819 --> 03:22:52,459
housing and levels of housing,

3978
03:22:52,459 --> 03:22:56,760
but the safety issue and thinking of four vehicles as far

3979
03:22:56,760 --> 03:23:00,459
as parking spaces for each one of these units,

3980
03:23:00,459 --> 03:23:04,459
you're talking then, you're talking not just 1,000 cars,

3981
03:23:04,459 --> 03:23:07,459
you know, possibility of more than that.

3982
03:23:07,459 --> 03:23:11,479
When they did their traffic study results, I'd like to hear

3983
03:23:11,479 --> 03:23:13,459
if any of that was based on Lakeview

3984
03:23:13,459 --> 03:23:21,950
or whether it was just the surrounding area that all the

3985
03:23:21,950 --> 03:23:26,459
notices have been sent to.

3986
03:23:26,459 --> 03:23:32,709
We did traffic counts at Trinity in 380, at Trinity McKin

3987
03:23:32,709 --> 03:23:33,459
ney.

3988
03:23:33,459 --> 03:23:38,459
We did traffic counts at McKinney in May Hill at the time

3989
03:23:38,459 --> 03:23:40,459
because we'd been there for a while,

3990
03:23:40,459 --> 03:23:43,459
and then McKinney in the loop.

3991
03:23:43,459 --> 03:23:45,459
So we did traffic counts.

3992
03:23:45,459 --> 03:23:48,389
We looked at work with the city, what the traffic

3993
03:23:48,389 --> 03:23:49,459
distribution,

3994
03:23:49,459 --> 03:23:52,459
what our anticipation of who's going to use those roads.

3995
03:23:52,459 --> 03:23:57,459
It's a very low percentage, and I think the timing delay,

3996
03:23:57,459 --> 03:24:02,000
if you're coming up to Trinity Eternal in 380, was a second

3997
03:24:02,000 --> 03:24:04,459
or two difference in our study.

3998
03:24:04,459 --> 03:24:06,459
Okay.

3999
03:24:06,459 --> 03:24:11,200
So my biggest concern is, of course, the changing of the

4000
03:24:11,200 --> 03:24:13,459
surrounding property.

4001
03:24:13,459 --> 03:24:16,209
Again, I think it's going to set a precedent for future

4002
03:24:16,209 --> 03:24:19,459
developments, and of course, the safety issue along there.

4003
03:24:19,459 --> 03:24:23,459
We have tried to remedy that with the city.

4004
03:24:23,459 --> 03:24:27,459
There's been nothing resolved with that.

4005
03:24:27,459 --> 03:24:31,440
There's always been some other excuse why we can't get the

4006
03:24:31,440 --> 03:24:33,459
speed bumps or whatever.

4007
03:24:33,459 --> 03:24:37,489
I do understand they're not the access on Trinity being

4008
03:24:37,489 --> 03:24:38,459
shut off.

4009
03:24:38,459 --> 03:24:41,829
That's a good thing, but there still will be that emergency

4010
03:24:41,829 --> 03:24:44,459
access, and I'm curious about that gate also.

4011
03:24:44,459 --> 03:24:48,459
If that gate becomes broken and it doesn't become fixed,

4012
03:24:48,459 --> 03:24:53,719
that will be an access point to go in and out of their own

4013
03:24:53,719 --> 03:24:55,459
Trinity also.

4014
03:24:55,459 --> 03:24:58,459
Christian?

4015
03:24:58,459 --> 03:24:59,459
No, I'm sorry.

4016
03:24:59,459 --> 03:25:03,090
I actually, in reference to something you said, but I want

4017
03:25:03,090 --> 03:25:04,459
to talk to the CSA.

4018
03:25:04,459 --> 03:25:08,579
Richard, what would it take, and how can we find out, to

4019
03:25:08,579 --> 03:25:11,590
the benefit of these citizens, about getting speed bumps

4020
03:25:11,590 --> 03:25:12,459
put in?

4021
03:25:12,459 --> 03:25:16,450
It was always my understanding that, like if you were a

4022
03:25:16,450 --> 03:25:19,180
homeowner association, that'd be something that the

4023
03:25:19,180 --> 03:25:20,459
residents themselves would have to pay for.

4024
03:25:20,459 --> 03:25:27,459
But is there really an objection by fire trucks, stuff like

4025
03:25:27,459 --> 03:25:28,459
that?

4026
03:25:28,459 --> 03:25:33,360
Typically, there are concerns, but there are other ways to

4027
03:25:33,360 --> 03:25:34,459
mitigate.

4028
03:25:34,459 --> 03:25:37,459
There are traffic circles.

4029
03:25:37,459 --> 03:25:41,090
I think the issue here is currently it's designated as a

4030
03:25:41,090 --> 03:25:43,459
collector on the mobility plan.

4031
03:25:43,459 --> 03:25:44,459
Oh, is it?

4032
03:25:44,459 --> 03:25:47,770
So as a result, you typically don't put speed bumps on a

4033
03:25:47,770 --> 03:25:49,459
designated collector.

4034
03:25:49,459 --> 03:25:52,459
I think the intent is, as we're redoing this mobility plan,

4035
03:25:52,459 --> 03:25:56,459
and given where post-Oak would now be,

4036
03:25:56,459 --> 03:26:00,399
I think that's an option where that then could be lifted

4037
03:26:00,399 --> 03:26:03,459
ultimately, and something like that could be looked at.

4038
03:26:03,459 --> 03:26:07,459
So it's typically discussed through traffic engineering,

4039
03:26:07,459 --> 03:26:10,520
and then there's a traffic safety committee that will

4040
03:26:10,520 --> 03:26:16,459
discuss the application of speed bumps or the like.

4041
03:26:16,459 --> 03:26:17,459
Okay, thank you.

4042
03:26:17,459 --> 03:26:19,459
Commissioner Pernitta.

4043
03:26:19,459 --> 03:26:22,350
Just to verify, because you had a question about the

4044
03:26:22,350 --> 03:26:23,459
emergency gate.

4045
03:26:23,459 --> 03:26:26,450
My understanding is the only access to the emergency gate

4046
03:26:26,450 --> 03:26:28,459
would be first responders who have --

4047
03:26:28,459 --> 03:26:29,459
A bump?

4048
03:26:29,459 --> 03:26:30,459
Yeah, a bump.

4049
03:26:30,459 --> 03:26:34,719
Is that right? And as far as it ever becoming damaged, that

4050
03:26:34,719 --> 03:26:38,260
would be a code issue, correct, where it would be required

4051
03:26:38,260 --> 03:26:39,459
to be correct?

4052
03:26:39,459 --> 03:26:40,459
Each away.

4053
03:26:40,459 --> 03:26:44,620
Yeah, they would have to maintain that as a gate at all

4054
03:26:44,620 --> 03:26:45,459
times.

4055
03:26:45,459 --> 03:26:49,459
Okay.

4056
03:26:49,459 --> 03:26:50,459
Commissioner Smith.

4057
03:26:50,459 --> 03:26:51,459
Thank you, Chair.

4058
03:26:51,459 --> 03:26:55,399
Richard, when it comes to not speed bumps, but those little

4059
03:26:55,399 --> 03:26:58,459
hard pieces of plastic that are not rubble strips,

4060
03:26:58,459 --> 03:27:01,219
basically they're speed inhibitors. You get them when you

4061
03:27:01,219 --> 03:27:02,459
're going into the airport at DFW.

4062
03:27:02,459 --> 03:27:09,459
Those don't prohibit emergency vehicles from having to --

4063
03:27:09,459 --> 03:27:12,459
[inaudible]

4064
03:27:12,459 --> 03:27:14,680
Not just the reflectors, the ones that make noise as you

4065
03:27:14,680 --> 03:27:15,459
drive over it.

4066
03:27:15,459 --> 03:27:16,459
Like the rumble strips?

4067
03:27:16,459 --> 03:27:19,459
Yeah, you do with bricks and everything else.

4068
03:27:19,459 --> 03:27:24,780
What are the costs? What is the cost for any type of road

4069
03:27:24,780 --> 03:27:26,459
improvement?

4070
03:27:26,459 --> 03:27:29,459
That I'm not sure.

4071
03:27:29,459 --> 03:27:34,399
I did, about five minutes ago, send an email to our traffic

4072
03:27:34,399 --> 03:27:39,459
engineer, so I don't know if I'll get an answer tonight.

4073
03:27:39,459 --> 03:27:40,459
Feel free to break in.

4074
03:27:40,459 --> 03:27:43,600
But I did at least let him know that these issues were

4075
03:27:43,600 --> 03:27:45,459
discussed at the meeting.

4076
03:27:45,459 --> 03:27:49,840
Could it be something that we asked the applicant to pay

4077
03:27:49,840 --> 03:27:53,459
for if that was part of the consideration?

4078
03:27:53,459 --> 03:27:55,459
He just gave a thumbs up.

4079
03:27:55,459 --> 03:27:59,459
Thumbs up is yes.

4080
03:27:59,459 --> 03:28:00,459
Okay.

4081
03:28:00,459 --> 03:28:01,459
What?

4082
03:28:01,459 --> 03:28:04,620
Well, there was confirmation that the applicant would be

4083
03:28:04,620 --> 03:28:07,459
willing to pay for speed mitigation on Lakeview Boulevard

4084
03:28:07,459 --> 03:28:09,459
if the city approved it.

4085
03:28:09,459 --> 03:28:10,459
My stop sign?

4086
03:28:10,459 --> 03:28:12,530
I can't have a discussion off mic and we have an order. I

4087
03:28:12,530 --> 03:28:14,459
don't know what it would be.

4088
03:28:14,459 --> 03:28:17,459
[inaudible]

4089
03:28:17,459 --> 03:28:19,459
Speed mitigation.

4090
03:28:19,459 --> 03:28:21,459
And then who was it?

4091
03:28:21,459 --> 03:28:23,860
At this point, we can't go into all the details. We have a

4092
03:28:23,860 --> 03:28:25,459
lot of people who filled out cards.

4093
03:28:25,459 --> 03:28:28,209
If you'd like to have a sidebar conversation with the city,

4094
03:28:28,209 --> 03:28:29,459
you definitely can do that.

4095
03:28:29,459 --> 03:28:34,459
Next up is Sheila Repka.

4096
03:28:34,459 --> 03:28:36,459
Commissioner Beck.

4097
03:28:36,459 --> 03:28:38,459
Thank you. Sorry.

4098
03:28:38,459 --> 03:28:43,459
Is Lakeview Boulevard, is that four lane or two lane?

4099
03:28:43,459 --> 03:28:44,459
Two lane.

4100
03:28:44,459 --> 03:28:51,459
Striping that narrows the road at least gives that visual.

4101
03:28:51,459 --> 03:28:52,270
That's always been to some effect a tendency to slow down

4102
03:28:52,270 --> 03:28:53,459
traffic because they've got a narrow lane.

4103
03:28:53,459 --> 03:28:56,209
So that wouldn't be prohibited on a collector road, would

4104
03:28:56,209 --> 03:28:56,459
it?

4105
03:28:56,459 --> 03:28:59,469
I don't believe so, but again, I would defer to traffic

4106
03:28:59,469 --> 03:29:00,459
engineering.

4107
03:29:00,459 --> 03:29:02,459
Okay. Just wanted to bring that up. Thanks.

4108
03:29:02,459 --> 03:29:04,059
If you could just state your name and address for the

4109
03:29:04,059 --> 03:29:04,459
record.

4110
03:29:04,459 --> 03:29:08,829
Yes. I'm Sheila Repka. I know it doesn't look like Repka,

4111
03:29:08,829 --> 03:29:10,459
but it is, trust me.

4112
03:29:10,459 --> 03:29:16,459
I live at 1402 Lakeview Boulevard.

4113
03:29:16,459 --> 03:29:21,459
We built our house about four years ago.

4114
03:29:21,459 --> 03:29:27,069
I retired after 43 years of teaching, worked hard all of my

4115
03:29:27,069 --> 03:29:32,590
life, and we moved to this neighborhood because it was

4116
03:29:32,590 --> 03:29:33,459
beautiful.

4117
03:29:33,459 --> 03:29:37,399
And we loved the surroundings. We loved everything about it

4118
03:29:37,399 --> 03:29:37,459
.

4119
03:29:37,459 --> 03:29:43,020
We built our house. We put in a basement, which is unheard

4120
03:29:43,020 --> 03:29:44,459
of in Texas.

4121
03:29:44,459 --> 03:29:48,459
And we love the area.

4122
03:29:48,459 --> 03:29:55,459
Although there are serious issues. Traffic is one of them.

4123
03:29:55,459 --> 03:30:00,459
There are numerous speeders up and down Lakeview.

4124
03:30:00,459 --> 03:30:05,399
I even followed a young girl one day, and she turned off of

4125
03:30:05,399 --> 03:30:11,459
380, sped down Lakeview at a rate of 60 miles an hour,

4126
03:30:11,459 --> 03:30:16,459
turned up Mills, and turned into Ryan High School.

4127
03:30:16,459 --> 03:30:21,459
I got her tag number. I called the school.

4128
03:30:21,459 --> 03:30:24,260
The vice principal, I asked him to call her parents and let

4129
03:30:24,260 --> 03:30:26,459
them know what their daughter was doing.

4130
03:30:26,459 --> 03:30:31,459
And he thanked me immensely. But these are things that we

4131
03:30:31,459 --> 03:30:31,459
're faced with all the time.

4132
03:30:31,459 --> 03:30:39,459
It is a shortcut to Ryan, so we get lots of school traffic.

4133
03:30:39,459 --> 03:30:45,979
I cannot walk on Lakeview, walk my dogs, or use my three-

4134
03:30:45,979 --> 03:30:51,120
wheeled bike, which I purchased proudly a couple of years

4135
03:30:51,120 --> 03:30:53,459
ago because I needed some exercise.

4136
03:30:53,459 --> 03:30:58,190
I cannot use it on Lakeview. We have no sidewalks, no curbs

4137
03:30:58,190 --> 03:30:58,459
.

4138
03:30:58,459 --> 03:31:02,459
So we are at the mercy of traffic up and down that street.

4139
03:31:02,459 --> 03:31:06,459
Numerous times I have been run off the road.

4140
03:31:06,459 --> 03:31:11,110
One time when I was riding my bike, I literally had to swer

4141
03:31:11,110 --> 03:31:15,670
ve into the grass in someone's yard, upset my bike, and

4142
03:31:15,670 --> 03:31:17,459
injured myself.

4143
03:31:17,459 --> 03:31:20,459
These are things we face on a daily basis.

4144
03:31:20,459 --> 03:31:28,079
With the addition of at least a minimum of 1,000 additional

4145
03:31:28,079 --> 03:31:31,430
cars traveling up and down our street, I can't even imagine

4146
03:31:31,430 --> 03:31:33,459
the nightmare that that's going to be.

4147
03:31:33,459 --> 03:31:39,000
I disagree strongly with the gentleman when he maintains

4148
03:31:39,000 --> 03:31:44,500
that most of the residents there will use McKinney and May

4149
03:31:44,500 --> 03:31:45,459
hill.

4150
03:31:45,459 --> 03:31:49,989
I disagree. If they're traveling anywhere east, they will

4151
03:31:49,989 --> 03:31:52,459
use Lakeview, as they do now.

4152
03:31:52,459 --> 03:31:56,459
We get lots of traffic.

4153
03:31:56,459 --> 03:31:59,870
Another thing I wanted to mention is he pulled on your

4154
03:31:59,870 --> 03:32:03,879
heartstrings about telling the story of the woman with the

4155
03:32:03,879 --> 03:32:07,409
children and how she would be so proud to have her own home

4156
03:32:07,409 --> 03:32:07,459
.

4157
03:32:07,459 --> 03:32:11,700
I am proud of my home, as all of our residents are in Lake

4158
03:32:11,700 --> 03:32:12,459
view.

4159
03:32:12,459 --> 03:32:18,459
We do not want this to happen.

4160
03:32:18,459 --> 03:32:20,459
We do not want additional traffic.

4161
03:32:20,459 --> 03:32:24,459
We do not want our property values to be...

4162
03:32:24,459 --> 03:32:28,459
You know what I'm saying.

4163
03:32:28,459 --> 03:32:34,459
We're very, very strong in our opinions about this.

4164
03:32:34,459 --> 03:32:36,459
I taught at-risk students.

4165
03:32:36,459 --> 03:32:39,350
I'm sure many of the students that I would have had had I

4166
03:32:39,350 --> 03:32:42,459
continued teaching will live in that neighborhood.

4167
03:32:42,459 --> 03:32:45,209
I have nothing against the people that would be living

4168
03:32:45,209 --> 03:32:45,459
there.

4169
03:32:45,459 --> 03:32:47,459
I love those children dearly.

4170
03:32:47,459 --> 03:32:52,459
I still substitute at Fred Moore Alternative School.

4171
03:32:52,459 --> 03:32:54,459
It's not a matter of prejudice.

4172
03:32:54,459 --> 03:32:58,459
It's a matter of safety.

4173
03:32:58,459 --> 03:33:05,059
It's a matter of protecting my lifetime investment, and I

4174
03:33:05,059 --> 03:33:09,459
want to maintain my quality of life.

4175
03:33:09,459 --> 03:33:12,459
This was to be our forever home.

4176
03:33:12,459 --> 03:33:20,459
The thought of moving, selling our home makes me extremely

4177
03:33:20,459 --> 03:33:21,459
sad.

4178
03:33:21,459 --> 03:33:28,459
I hope to God we don't have to do that.

4179
03:33:28,459 --> 03:33:33,459
Another thing.

4180
03:33:33,459 --> 03:33:35,459
I'm a tree lover.

4181
03:33:35,459 --> 03:33:37,459
We've planted...

4182
03:33:37,459 --> 03:33:38,459
How many trees, Mel?

4183
03:33:38,459 --> 03:33:39,459
I don't know.

4184
03:33:39,459 --> 03:33:42,549
We probably have planted 40 trees in our yard since we

4185
03:33:42,549 --> 03:33:43,459
moved there.

4186
03:33:43,459 --> 03:33:44,459
These people are...

4187
03:33:44,459 --> 03:33:48,459
I find this ironic that they're calling this the woodlands,

4188
03:33:48,459 --> 03:33:53,079
but yet I hear that they're destroying 60% of the trees

4189
03:33:53,079 --> 03:33:55,459
that are currently there.

4190
03:33:55,459 --> 03:33:58,459
That's all I have.

4191
03:33:58,459 --> 03:34:00,459
Commissioner Smith.

4192
03:34:00,459 --> 03:34:01,459
Thank you, Chair.

4193
03:34:01,459 --> 03:34:04,219
Can I ask the applicant a question about the mobility on

4194
03:34:04,219 --> 03:34:06,459
the four-lane McKinney and what you notice?

4195
03:34:06,459 --> 03:34:08,459
Thank you very much for coming out.

4196
03:34:08,459 --> 03:34:09,459
I really appreciate it.

4197
03:34:09,459 --> 03:34:11,059
I think somebody else might have a question for you in a

4198
03:34:11,059 --> 03:34:11,459
second.

4199
03:34:11,459 --> 03:34:13,430
The question I'm going to ask is going to address some of

4200
03:34:13,430 --> 03:34:14,459
your traffic concerns,

4201
03:34:14,459 --> 03:34:18,069
but if I could ask Mr. Brett a question here for you real

4202
03:34:18,069 --> 03:34:19,459
quick behind you.

4203
03:34:19,459 --> 03:34:26,629
On the four-lane road that's there, is there any talk about

4204
03:34:26,629 --> 03:34:27,459
a median?

4205
03:34:27,459 --> 03:34:29,920
Traditionally, Richard or somebody else, please let me know

4206
03:34:29,920 --> 03:34:30,459
on four-lane roads.

4207
03:34:30,459 --> 03:34:32,459
Do they automatically include a median?

4208
03:34:32,459 --> 03:34:34,459
If so, is there a way to limit that to where...

4209
03:34:34,459 --> 03:34:36,459
I know there's supposed to be a stoplight,

4210
03:34:36,459 --> 03:34:39,700
but I guess there's not a way to build a median to where

4211
03:34:39,700 --> 03:34:43,459
there's only a right turn only out of the complex, correct?

4212
03:34:43,459 --> 03:34:46,209
There's not a way because they're going to be turning into

4213
03:34:46,209 --> 03:34:46,459
...

4214
03:34:46,459 --> 03:34:48,139
You can still build it to where you can turn into the

4215
03:34:48,139 --> 03:34:48,459
complex,

4216
03:34:48,459 --> 03:34:51,709
but you can't build a median and build the turn lanes to

4217
03:34:51,709 --> 03:34:55,459
where it limits right turn only out of the complex.

4218
03:34:55,459 --> 03:34:58,450
So you don't have people turning left to go down to Trinity

4219
03:34:58,450 --> 03:34:59,459
and then north.

4220
03:34:59,459 --> 03:35:00,459
Does that make sense?

4221
03:35:00,459 --> 03:35:01,459
Because they can't get across...

4222
03:35:01,459 --> 03:35:04,219
I can specifically think of Loop 288 right in front of LA

4223
03:35:04,219 --> 03:35:05,459
Fitness and that 7-Eleven right there

4224
03:35:05,459 --> 03:35:08,409
where you have to go down to the regulated stoplight to

4225
03:35:08,409 --> 03:35:09,459
then turn left.

4226
03:35:09,459 --> 03:35:13,459
So our concept has two roads that connect to McKinney.

4227
03:35:13,459 --> 03:35:16,459
The southern one, that's a right in, right out.

4228
03:35:16,459 --> 03:35:18,459
Okay.

4229
03:35:18,459 --> 03:35:22,260
The only other one is a full median opening so you could go

4230
03:35:22,260 --> 03:35:23,459
right in, right out.

4231
03:35:23,459 --> 03:35:25,459
That's that full movement.

4232
03:35:25,459 --> 03:35:26,459
And it has a left turn in.

4233
03:35:26,459 --> 03:35:29,459
It will. Yeah. Okay. God, thanks.

4234
03:35:29,459 --> 03:35:31,459
Commissioner Beck?

4235
03:35:31,459 --> 03:35:34,459
Thank you, Chair.

4236
03:35:34,459 --> 03:35:36,459
This is going to be for the developer too, but stick around

4237
03:35:36,459 --> 03:35:36,459
.

4238
03:35:36,459 --> 03:35:39,459
Stick around. That's okay.

4239
03:35:39,459 --> 03:35:44,459
Mr. Murphrey?

4240
03:35:44,459 --> 03:35:51,459
Yeah.

4241
03:35:51,459 --> 03:35:55,459
Mr. Holloway, maybe you can help me.

4242
03:35:55,459 --> 03:36:00,110
I just need...would like one of y'all to respond to Ms. Rep

4243
03:36:00,110 --> 03:36:04,459
ke's comment about tree removal in this development.

4244
03:36:04,459 --> 03:36:08,459
I understood that their comment was that they're

4245
03:36:08,459 --> 03:36:13,360
maintaining 40% of the trees there, which means they're

4246
03:36:13,360 --> 03:36:14,459
getting rid of 60%.

4247
03:36:14,459 --> 03:36:16,459
Okay. Let's see.

4248
03:36:16,459 --> 03:36:17,459
My math is correct.

4249
03:36:17,459 --> 03:36:19,459
Okay.

4250
03:36:19,459 --> 03:36:22,850
Cindy, let's make sure I've got this aerial here so I can

4251
03:36:22,850 --> 03:36:27,739
...I think Cindy, on your presentation, you can see that a

4252
03:36:27,739 --> 03:36:29,459
clean, crisp aerial.

4253
03:36:29,459 --> 03:36:31,459
Yeah. I'll pull out mine.

4254
03:36:31,459 --> 03:36:34,799
I like to toggle between the aerial and our concept,

4255
03:36:34,799 --> 03:36:38,459
because you can see where we have trees, existing trees,

4256
03:36:38,459 --> 03:36:40,459
and you see where we have green belts.

4257
03:36:40,459 --> 03:36:42,459
I think that helps make the point.

4258
03:36:42,459 --> 03:36:45,459
There's the aerial.

4259
03:36:45,459 --> 03:36:49,459
And there's the concept plan.

4260
03:36:49,459 --> 03:36:54,329
Okay. Let me go to the aerial and I'll have to bounce back

4261
03:36:54,329 --> 03:36:55,459
and forth.

4262
03:36:55,459 --> 03:36:58,459
I wonder if I can zoom in here.

4263
03:36:58,459 --> 03:37:01,629
You'll actually need to put it into presentation mode just

4264
03:37:01,629 --> 03:37:04,459
so individuals watching on TV can see the screen.

4265
03:37:04,459 --> 03:37:05,459
Okay.

4266
03:37:05,459 --> 03:37:07,760
So I don't know if the zoom's going to work there, but if

4267
03:37:07,760 --> 03:37:08,459
you...

4268
03:37:08,459 --> 03:37:09,459
Oh.

4269
03:37:09,459 --> 03:37:12,459
Yeah, you have to hit the button for presentation.

4270
03:37:12,459 --> 03:37:14,459
Oh. Okay.

4271
03:37:14,459 --> 03:37:16,459
Yeah. And then if you click through...

4272
03:37:16,459 --> 03:37:17,459
It may not zoom.

4273
03:37:17,459 --> 03:37:21,459
Yeah, I'm not sure either.

4274
03:37:21,459 --> 03:37:27,889
So if you'll notice, you can see the mouse or the arrow

4275
03:37:27,889 --> 03:37:33,459
here, this is a heavily ESA tree area here.

4276
03:37:33,459 --> 03:37:38,739
There's a little bit here back behind the existing home,

4277
03:37:38,739 --> 03:37:42,459
and then there's more up to the north.

4278
03:37:42,459 --> 03:37:47,459
So this heavy tree area here, we are preserving all that.

4279
03:37:47,459 --> 03:37:49,459
We're preserving all this.

4280
03:37:49,459 --> 03:37:53,399
Our actual percentage might be that we're preserving is

4281
03:37:53,399 --> 03:37:58,459
likely higher than 40%, but we're trying not to...

4282
03:37:58,459 --> 03:38:00,799
With grading and things like that, we're trying not to over

4283
03:38:00,799 --> 03:38:01,459
commit that.

4284
03:38:01,459 --> 03:38:04,489
We're trying to be careful and respectful of that and not

4285
03:38:04,489 --> 03:38:05,459
overpromise.

4286
03:38:05,459 --> 03:38:10,889
But as you can tell, those two main real heavily tree ESA

4287
03:38:10,889 --> 03:38:14,459
areas, we're preserving those.

4288
03:38:14,459 --> 03:38:17,540
At the same time, we're planting back a lot of mature trees

4289
03:38:17,540 --> 03:38:20,459
that we've obligated ourselves to in our standards.

4290
03:38:20,459 --> 03:38:23,569
Along McKinney Street, it's not a requirement, but we're

4291
03:38:23,569 --> 03:38:30,459
putting it in, and on every single leased space as well.

4292
03:38:30,459 --> 03:38:33,459
Have you all done a tree survey?

4293
03:38:33,459 --> 03:38:35,459
We've done some levels of it.

4294
03:38:35,459 --> 03:38:38,639
It's not required as part of the zoning process, but it is

4295
03:38:38,639 --> 03:38:40,459
part of what framed our plan.

4296
03:38:40,459 --> 03:38:43,280
So we started deciding how we're going to lay out streets

4297
03:38:43,280 --> 03:38:44,459
and do those things.

4298
03:38:44,459 --> 03:38:45,459
It was part of our design.

4299
03:38:45,459 --> 03:38:46,459
Okay.

4300
03:38:46,459 --> 03:38:48,200
So you wouldn't have a real good idea of what kind of trees

4301
03:38:48,200 --> 03:38:49,459
you're going to have to get rid of.

4302
03:38:49,459 --> 03:38:52,459
Hopefully not native trees or heritage trees, but...

4303
03:38:52,459 --> 03:38:53,459
Sure.

4304
03:38:53,459 --> 03:38:54,459
Yeah.

4305
03:38:54,459 --> 03:38:55,459
Okay.

4306
03:38:55,459 --> 03:38:57,340
That was the case that we came across a heritage tree that

4307
03:38:57,340 --> 03:38:58,459
fell in the middle of the park.

4308
03:38:58,459 --> 03:39:00,459
We'd preserve it and hold out that stand.

4309
03:39:00,459 --> 03:39:02,459
Okay.

4310
03:39:02,459 --> 03:39:06,020
A tree preservation plan will be required during the

4311
03:39:06,020 --> 03:39:07,459
planting process.

4312
03:39:07,459 --> 03:39:08,459
Right.

4313
03:39:08,459 --> 03:39:13,420
And they are required to preserve a certain percentage of

4314
03:39:13,420 --> 03:39:17,479
the high quality trees as well as a certain percentage of

4315
03:39:17,479 --> 03:39:18,459
the secondary trees.

4316
03:39:18,459 --> 03:39:22,719
Any trees that they remove that has to be mitigated on a

4317
03:39:22,719 --> 03:39:27,459
certain ratio, which is higher than what they removed.

4318
03:39:27,459 --> 03:39:28,459
Right.

4319
03:39:28,459 --> 03:39:29,459
Thanks for sharing that.

4320
03:39:29,459 --> 03:39:32,209
That kind of covers an area that a lot of us have a concern

4321
03:39:32,209 --> 03:39:32,459
about.

4322
03:39:32,459 --> 03:39:35,459
Does that help a little bit, Ms. Rethke?

4323
03:39:35,459 --> 03:39:36,459
It's still static.

4324
03:39:36,459 --> 03:39:37,459
I know.

4325
03:39:37,459 --> 03:39:38,459
And me too.

4326
03:39:38,459 --> 03:39:41,399
I hate to see any trees go, but whether they're native or

4327
03:39:41,399 --> 03:39:45,459
heritage or what, even old mesquite trees.

4328
03:39:45,459 --> 03:39:46,459
Thank you, Ms. Rethke.

4329
03:39:46,459 --> 03:39:47,459
I did not see any other questions.

4330
03:39:47,459 --> 03:39:48,459
Thank you.

4331
03:39:48,459 --> 03:39:49,459
Thank you.

4332
03:39:49,459 --> 03:39:53,399
As a point of order, the Chair would just like to ask if

4333
03:39:53,399 --> 03:39:56,649
the commissioners could try to ask questions to the

4334
03:39:56,649 --> 03:39:57,459
applicant.

4335
03:39:57,459 --> 03:40:00,209
If there's questions, I mean, the presenter, the speaker,

4336
03:40:00,209 --> 03:40:02,889
if there's questions to the applicant or the city, let's do

4337
03:40:02,889 --> 03:40:05,920
that at the end just for the sake of respecting everyone's

4338
03:40:05,920 --> 03:40:06,459
time.

4339
03:40:06,459 --> 03:40:08,459
We just have presenters come up and ask questions of them.

4340
03:40:08,459 --> 03:40:11,209
And then if there's questions they bring up that need to be

4341
03:40:11,209 --> 03:40:13,309
addressed, let's make note of them and make sure we do

4342
03:40:13,309 --> 03:40:15,459
address everyone's citizens' questions.

4343
03:40:15,459 --> 03:40:17,459
We can do that at the end.

4344
03:40:17,459 --> 03:40:19,459
Thank you for that consideration.

4345
03:40:19,459 --> 03:40:30,459
Next up is Ronald Basher.

4346
03:40:30,459 --> 03:40:32,059
If you could just state your name and address for the

4347
03:40:32,059 --> 03:40:32,459
record.

4348
03:40:32,459 --> 03:40:34,459
Thank you for the opportunity to come here.

4349
03:40:34,459 --> 03:40:36,459
I'm Ronald Basher.

4350
03:40:36,459 --> 03:40:38,459
I'm in 1108 Lakeview Boulevard.

4351
03:40:38,459 --> 03:40:43,459
And we've been there about 10 years now.

4352
03:40:43,459 --> 03:40:48,670
What I want to try to cover here is some additional things

4353
03:40:48,670 --> 03:40:53,989
that I see that needs to be brought out or expressed anyway

4354
03:40:53,989 --> 03:40:54,459
.

4355
03:40:54,459 --> 03:40:57,889
As you've seen and heard, my fellow members have taken the

4356
03:40:57,889 --> 03:41:01,120
time to come here and voice their grave concerns for the

4357
03:41:01,120 --> 03:41:04,850
ramifications of allowing this project to go forward before

4358
03:41:04,850 --> 03:41:10,049
the proper infrastructure in the place is in place to

4359
03:41:10,049 --> 03:41:12,459
handle the new subdivision.

4360
03:41:12,459 --> 03:41:17,709
And this is a subdivision that not -- this is not a car

4361
03:41:17,709 --> 03:41:20,459
wash or something being built.

4362
03:41:20,459 --> 03:41:25,459
This is a great 500-house subdivision being built here.

4363
03:41:25,459 --> 03:41:30,000
And the planning report tends to gloss over a lot of the

4364
03:41:30,000 --> 03:41:35,459
issues about this high-density 500 new home project.

4365
03:41:35,459 --> 03:41:40,090
Now, I understand it's really only the tip of the iceberg

4366
03:41:40,090 --> 03:41:45,290
as you brought up that there's going to be 1,000 or more

4367
03:41:45,290 --> 03:41:49,389
still coming that are going to be on Mills as well as

4368
03:41:49,389 --> 03:41:53,459
Trinity, which leaps over into our section.

4369
03:41:53,459 --> 03:41:58,139
The notification map and the pathetic notification of this

4370
03:41:58,139 --> 03:42:02,920
project, as far as I'm concerned, exposes the project to be

4371
03:42:02,920 --> 03:42:07,649
many -- to the many neighborhoods that are around here, in

4372
03:42:07,649 --> 03:42:12,159
some of our opinions, smacks of a deception on the part of

4373
03:42:12,159 --> 03:42:15,920
the planning commission to push the project through without

4374
03:42:15,920 --> 03:42:17,459
exposure to the public.

4375
03:42:17,459 --> 03:42:24,149
Thus, no notifications or opposition requests or whatever

4376
03:42:24,149 --> 03:42:30,200
were sent back to you because the area covered, which you

4377
03:42:30,200 --> 03:42:35,170
showed these little 500-foot limits on that, doesn't

4378
03:42:35,170 --> 03:42:39,459
represent what this project actually affects.

4379
03:42:39,459 --> 03:42:45,020
This development requires major street upgrades, storm

4380
03:42:45,020 --> 03:42:50,459
surge, surge capacity upgrades in a place before subdiv

4381
03:42:50,459 --> 03:42:55,459
ision of this magnitude are allowed to continue.

4382
03:42:55,459 --> 03:43:00,860
What I understand is that this project has been -- if it is

4383
03:43:00,860 --> 03:43:05,989
given a go-ahead, it will be ready in about a year and a

4384
03:43:05,989 --> 03:43:11,850
half or 20 months or whatever, and it will turn -- in turn

4385
03:43:11,850 --> 03:43:16,899
be dumping a lot of traffic onto very unsatisfactory

4386
03:43:16,899 --> 03:43:19,459
streets to handle it.

4387
03:43:19,459 --> 03:43:23,719
For my question is that if I got to take the exemption --

4388
03:43:23,719 --> 03:43:28,370
take exemption with the development of the traffic flow,

4389
03:43:28,370 --> 03:43:32,920
which can we have that map show where your traffic comes up

4390
03:43:32,920 --> 03:43:37,670
and goes either over to McKinney or McKinney to Mayhill or

4391
03:43:37,670 --> 03:43:40,459
it goes up through Lakeview?

4392
03:43:40,459 --> 03:43:46,459
Where is that map for?

4393
03:43:46,459 --> 03:43:51,840
Anyway, what -- where does the commission envision the 500

4394
03:43:51,840 --> 03:43:56,540
or so vehicles traveling in and out of this new subdivision

4395
03:43:56,540 --> 03:43:58,459
every day travel on?

4396
03:43:58,459 --> 03:44:02,459
Evidently, it is out on poor old McKinney Avenue.

4397
03:44:02,459 --> 03:44:04,459
Yes, thank you.

4398
03:44:04,459 --> 03:44:08,090
I guarantee you that after a day or two of fighting the

4399
03:44:08,090 --> 03:44:12,079
traffic with vehicles going out of Ryan High School and

4400
03:44:12,079 --> 03:44:16,020
dealing with the Mayhill-McKinney intersection trying to

4401
03:44:16,020 --> 03:44:20,290
get over to 288, there will not be turning right to go on

4402
03:44:20,290 --> 03:44:21,459
McKinney.

4403
03:44:21,459 --> 03:44:25,459
They will be turning left to go over to South Trinity Road.

4404
03:44:25,459 --> 03:44:30,110
So I would bet that one-third of the residents are going to

4405
03:44:30,110 --> 03:44:35,139
be seeking to go up Trinity towards 380 because a lot of

4406
03:44:35,139 --> 03:44:40,129
them are going to be working east on 380 out of the Denton

4407
03:44:40,129 --> 03:44:41,459
Township.

4408
03:44:41,459 --> 03:44:46,110
So after we head north on Trinity, dodging all the dumped

4409
03:44:46,110 --> 03:44:51,239
sofas, refrigerators, trash full of dirty diapers, dumped

4410
03:44:51,239 --> 03:44:55,590
on the road by an end of the stream leading to Lake Louis

4411
03:44:55,590 --> 03:45:00,270
ville, all this crap being dumped by the two existing mobile

4412
03:45:00,270 --> 03:45:04,459
home parks, residents that are adjacent to this project.

4413
03:45:04,459 --> 03:45:08,690
Then as they continue north, they will cross a one-lane

4414
03:45:08,690 --> 03:45:11,459
bridge onto Lakeview Boulevard.

4415
03:45:11,459 --> 03:45:15,819
Lakeview Avenue is the community's only access north and

4416
03:45:15,819 --> 03:45:18,459
south out of that subdivision.

4417
03:45:18,459 --> 03:45:23,620
I would estimate that there's already about 500 to 750

4418
03:45:23,620 --> 03:45:27,459
vehicles a day coming and going from 380.

4419
03:45:27,459 --> 03:45:32,069
Some of the traffic has included semi-rock haulers, which I

4420
03:45:32,069 --> 03:45:35,459
'm sure will increase with this project.

4421
03:45:35,459 --> 03:45:38,920
I'm curious as to how the construction in and out of all

4422
03:45:38,920 --> 03:45:42,500
the materials are going to be handled getting into this

4423
03:45:42,500 --> 03:45:43,459
project.

4424
03:45:43,459 --> 03:45:47,600
I'm not sure if the one-lane bridge is rated to handle that

4425
03:45:47,600 --> 03:45:48,459
weight.

4426
03:45:48,459 --> 03:45:52,399
Lakeview was not designated to handle this kind of traffic

4427
03:45:52,399 --> 03:45:55,899
and now will be asked to handle that much more traffic

4428
03:45:55,899 --> 03:45:59,709
being added to the new subdivision, being added by this new

4429
03:45:59,709 --> 03:46:00,459
subdivision.

4430
03:46:00,459 --> 03:46:05,819
Without the proposed new bridge, which if you were talking

4431
03:46:05,819 --> 03:46:10,870
about that little crook that takes off right there at the

4432
03:46:10,870 --> 03:46:16,450
creek, supposedly, and talking to the people who built that

4433
03:46:16,450 --> 03:46:18,459
temporary bridge,

4434
03:46:18,459 --> 03:46:24,709
they're going to be taking off to the left going up through

4435
03:46:24,709 --> 03:46:30,940
around to the west of our subdivision with a big new street

4436
03:46:30,940 --> 03:46:31,459
.

4437
03:46:31,459 --> 03:46:36,379
Now, you're going to build this bridge, but it's going to

4438
03:46:36,379 --> 03:46:39,659
be 20 years before you get the rest of the road built up to

4439
03:46:39,659 --> 03:46:41,459
380, is what I'm understanding.

4440
03:46:41,459 --> 03:46:45,459
That is unacceptable.

4441
03:46:45,459 --> 03:46:48,409
Without the proposed new bridge and a proposed three and

4442
03:46:48,409 --> 03:46:51,389
four lane street that is being planned to pass to the west

4443
03:46:51,389 --> 03:46:58,930
of the subdivision and on up to Highway 380 and not being

4444
03:46:58,930 --> 03:47:00,459
in place,

4445
03:47:00,459 --> 03:47:03,680
this commission is really selling the Lakeview Ranch

4446
03:47:03,680 --> 03:47:05,459
community down the river.

4447
03:47:05,459 --> 03:47:08,879
You will be dumping all the new subdivision traffic into

4448
03:47:08,879 --> 03:47:11,459
streets that were not designed for it.

4449
03:47:11,459 --> 03:47:15,409
So to close in reading the politically correct mission or

4450
03:47:15,409 --> 03:47:19,620
vision statement on page two of this planning proposal, it

4451
03:47:19,620 --> 03:47:23,459
seems that this proposal misses almost every key focus

4452
03:47:23,459 --> 03:47:25,459
mentioned.

4453
03:47:25,459 --> 03:47:30,659
This proposal seems that it is an economic development

4454
03:47:30,659 --> 03:47:36,409
project, but at whose expense? Evidently of the existing

4455
03:47:36,409 --> 03:47:42,059
and very thriving and heavily taxed community surrounding

4456
03:47:42,059 --> 03:47:44,459
it is who this expense is going to be based on.

4457
03:47:44,459 --> 03:47:48,879
It also doesn't seek to advance safety issues that would be

4458
03:47:48,879 --> 03:47:53,209
caused by the development as well as the livability of the

4459
03:47:53,209 --> 03:47:58,090
already neighboring family friendly community of Lakeview

4460
03:47:58,090 --> 03:48:02,459
Ranch HOA that is already there.

4461
03:48:02,459 --> 03:48:05,920
Building the subdivision before the infrastructure in place

4462
03:48:05,920 --> 03:48:08,979
is like putting the cart before the horse. Thank you for

4463
03:48:08,979 --> 03:48:09,459
your time.

4464
03:48:09,459 --> 03:48:11,459
Any questions?

4465
03:48:11,459 --> 03:48:15,510
I don't see any questions. Thank you. We'll make sure to

4466
03:48:15,510 --> 03:48:19,079
get an answer on your construction pathway question of how

4467
03:48:19,079 --> 03:48:20,459
trucks will be getting in.

4468
03:48:20,459 --> 03:48:25,459
Next person to speak is Doug Herzog.

4469
03:48:25,459 --> 03:48:28,459
All right.

4470
03:48:28,459 --> 03:48:31,459
As a reminder, we are allowing for six minutes to speak.

4471
03:48:31,459 --> 03:48:33,629
Typically it's three minutes, but since we have two public

4472
03:48:33,629 --> 03:48:36,079
hearing items open at the same time, we're just combining

4473
03:48:36,079 --> 03:48:36,459
time.

4474
03:48:36,459 --> 03:48:41,459
So you have six minutes.

4475
03:48:41,459 --> 03:48:45,459
I am a resident of Lakeview Ranch.

4476
03:48:45,459 --> 03:48:49,459
I would like to

4477
03:48:49,459 --> 03:48:59,649
I want to state that it's been danced around, but I want to

4478
03:48:59,649 --> 03:49:07,549
state this overtly instead of covertly. The reason we're

4479
03:49:07,549 --> 03:49:07,879
concerned about the traffic on Trinity and Lakeview is

4480
03:49:07,879 --> 03:49:08,190
because it takes less time to get from this area of the

4481
03:49:08,190 --> 03:49:09,459
proposed rezoning to

4482
03:49:09,459 --> 03:49:13,459
380 at Lakeview than it does to go the other way around

4483
03:49:13,459 --> 03:49:17,299
today. What it's going to be in the future, I don't know

4484
03:49:17,299 --> 03:49:20,459
because those roads aren't finished yet.

4485
03:49:20,459 --> 03:49:25,090
But today it is easier. The solution to our concerns, I

4486
03:49:25,090 --> 03:49:29,629
really liked your idea of narrowing the lanes with paint

4487
03:49:29,629 --> 03:49:34,559
with the caveat that you add turps, little turtles, so that

4488
03:49:34,559 --> 03:49:39,459
someone gets an audible warning before they hit all these

4489
03:49:39,459 --> 03:49:41,459
folks' mailboxes.

4490
03:49:41,459 --> 03:49:49,079
That would be a grand idea. And the solution is not speed

4491
03:49:49,079 --> 03:49:52,459
bumps. That just delays emergency response. And being a

4492
03:49:52,459 --> 03:49:56,360
survivor of a house fire that was a chimney fire that had

4493
03:49:56,360 --> 03:50:00,459
the train go by, if a train had been on the railroad tracks

4494
03:50:00,459 --> 03:50:03,459
, the fire department said my house would have burnt to the

4495
03:50:03,459 --> 03:50:03,459
ground.

4496
03:50:03,459 --> 03:50:10,389
So speed and time is of the essence. The solution to the

4497
03:50:10,389 --> 03:50:13,459
problem is stop signs.

4498
03:50:13,459 --> 03:50:18,899
I would like next to address the homeless situation and how

4499
03:50:18,899 --> 03:50:23,459
it corresponds to the proposed development.

4500
03:50:23,459 --> 03:50:28,459
I believe the city of Denton has a plethora of apartments.

4501
03:50:28,459 --> 03:50:36,260
And more coming. The reason homeless people are homeless is

4502
03:50:36,260 --> 03:50:40,840
one of the reasons is not because they can't buy a $250,000

4503
03:50:40,840 --> 03:50:44,459
home. They can't afford an apartment in this town.

4504
03:50:44,459 --> 03:50:51,879
The applicant has told us that his residences will cost

4505
03:50:51,879 --> 03:50:58,459
about the same as an apartment to the residents.

4506
03:50:58,459 --> 03:51:04,459
This is not a solution to the homeless situation.

4507
03:51:04,459 --> 03:51:11,850
I worked for a residential land developer in the Metroplex

4508
03:51:11,850 --> 03:51:17,200
for 18 years. My major responsibility for that developer

4509
03:51:17,200 --> 03:51:20,459
was running the three homeowners associations.

4510
03:51:20,459 --> 03:51:33,700
And at its maturity, I had over 4,000 homes under my pur

4511
03:51:33,700 --> 03:51:35,459
view. I am well versed in political correctness.

4512
03:51:35,459 --> 03:51:44,000
I am well versed in terminology. And I am well versed in

4513
03:51:44,000 --> 03:51:51,290
the use of it in deception by homeowners who want

4514
03:51:51,290 --> 03:51:55,459
architectural approvals.

4515
03:51:55,459 --> 03:52:04,120
And just overall general, you can imagine the homeowners

4516
03:52:04,120 --> 03:52:10,850
association issues that come up. And people trying to

4517
03:52:10,850 --> 03:52:14,329
present their issue in a more pleasant light than it

4518
03:52:14,329 --> 03:52:15,459
actually is.

4519
03:52:15,459 --> 03:52:19,020
And I am well versed in recognizing that. And I do have a

4520
03:52:19,020 --> 03:52:22,520
couple of concerns. The gentleman that works for the

4521
03:52:22,520 --> 03:52:26,459
engineering company, as he was doing his presentation,

4522
03:52:26,459 --> 03:52:34,459
listed a whole host of amenities that this proposed

4523
03:52:34,459 --> 03:52:41,459
development has or is going to --

4524
03:52:41,459 --> 03:52:45,620
some of the amenities he said they are going to have in a

4525
03:52:45,620 --> 03:52:49,459
different part of his presentation segment.

4526
03:52:49,459 --> 03:52:57,260
He listed a whole bunch of amenities and it was implied

4527
03:52:57,260 --> 03:53:05,280
that this development was going to have them. But he did

4528
03:53:05,280 --> 03:53:13,110
not actually say that this development is going to have

4529
03:53:13,110 --> 03:53:14,459
them.

4530
03:53:14,459 --> 03:53:20,389
I believe you, sir, had a whole lot of -- working for a

4531
03:53:20,389 --> 03:53:25,450
residential land developer, I am not in the camp of no more

4532
03:53:25,450 --> 03:53:31,459
-- no additional traffic on Trinity or Lake V Ranch.

4533
03:53:31,459 --> 03:53:36,840
I know more development is coming. And I know it is not

4534
03:53:36,840 --> 03:53:42,450
going to be one house on five acres. I know it is not going

4535
03:53:42,450 --> 03:53:45,459
to be one house on one acre. It is going to be more density

4536
03:53:45,459 --> 03:53:45,459
than that.

4537
03:53:45,459 --> 03:53:51,610
That kind of density is not where the residential

4538
03:53:51,610 --> 03:54:00,610
marketplace is. It just isn't. We developed a 3,000 unit

4539
03:54:00,610 --> 03:54:07,450
subdivision on 2,000 acres adjacent to another subdivision

4540
03:54:07,450 --> 03:54:10,459
that was building -- I don't remember what it was --

4541
03:54:10,459 --> 03:54:21,409
100 units on three to five acre lots. We built like 300 to

4542
03:54:21,409 --> 03:54:27,100
one. I don't remember what the ratio was. It is not going

4543
03:54:27,100 --> 03:54:31,459
to be that low of a density. It is going to be higher.

4544
03:54:31,459 --> 03:54:34,659
But your issue is how is that going to -- how is the

4545
03:54:34,659 --> 03:54:38,389
traffic going to flow and what is it going to take to get

4546
03:54:38,389 --> 03:54:42,459
all these houses, all these residents around on traffic?

4547
03:54:42,459 --> 03:54:45,620
And the answer is it is going to be infrastructure that the

4548
03:54:45,620 --> 03:54:49,459
city is going to have to build. But more than that is how

4549
03:54:49,459 --> 03:54:53,459
is that infrastructure going to be paid for?

4550
03:54:53,459 --> 03:54:58,110
And it is going to be paid for by the residents. And that

4551
03:54:58,110 --> 03:55:02,659
tax -- resident taxes. And that tax is not taxed on the

4552
03:55:02,659 --> 03:55:07,459
basis of density. It is based on property values.

4553
03:55:07,459 --> 03:55:15,840
And a $40,000 house is not going to support the additional

4554
03:55:15,840 --> 03:55:22,309
road -- all infrastructure that is going to be needed to

4555
03:55:22,309 --> 03:55:28,459
support the five point whatever units per acre.

4556
03:55:28,459 --> 03:55:37,459
And that is going to be the way it is going to be paid for.

4557
03:55:37,459 --> 03:55:38,459
And it is not going to work.

4558
03:55:38,459 --> 03:55:43,459
>> We actually have a question for you. Commissioner Smith.

4559
03:55:43,459 --> 03:55:46,709
>> We will ask the applicant a little bit about the

4560
03:55:46,709 --> 03:55:49,459
question she had about the amenities. We lost that lady

4561
03:55:49,459 --> 03:55:49,459
again.

4562
03:55:49,459 --> 03:55:51,659
>> I want to ask you about the land. I know there are a

4563
03:55:51,659 --> 03:55:54,159
couple of other folks who want to speak publicly. And that

4564
03:55:54,159 --> 03:55:56,559
is that everyone understands and knows that at some point

4565
03:55:56,559 --> 03:55:58,459
in time this land is going to be developed.

4566
03:55:58,459 --> 03:56:01,459
>> Sure.

4567
03:56:01,459 --> 03:56:04,459
>> At some point in time. So if it is not 500 units, is it

4568
03:56:04,459 --> 03:56:07,430
we are okay with 400 units or 300 units? I am not

4569
03:56:07,430 --> 03:56:10,290
suggesting we -- or zoning or telling the applicant, hey,

4570
03:56:10,290 --> 03:56:15,459
they are okay with 200 units. You can only do 200.

4571
03:56:15,459 --> 03:56:20,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4572
03:56:20,459 --> 03:56:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4573
03:56:25,459 --> 03:56:28,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4574
03:56:28,459 --> 03:56:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4575
03:56:31,459 --> 03:56:34,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4576
03:56:34,459 --> 03:56:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4577
03:56:37,459 --> 03:56:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4578
03:56:45,459 --> 03:56:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4579
03:56:47,459 --> 03:56:50,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4580
03:56:50,459 --> 03:56:52,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4581
03:56:52,459 --> 03:56:54,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4582
03:56:54,459 --> 03:56:56,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4583
03:56:56,459 --> 03:56:58,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4584
03:56:58,459 --> 03:57:00,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4585
03:57:00,459 --> 03:57:02,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4586
03:57:02,459 --> 03:57:04,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4587
03:57:04,459 --> 03:57:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4588
03:57:07,459 --> 03:57:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4589
03:57:09,459 --> 03:57:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4590
03:57:11,459 --> 03:57:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4591
03:57:13,459 --> 03:57:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4592
03:57:15,459 --> 03:57:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4593
03:57:17,459 --> 03:57:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4594
03:57:19,459 --> 03:57:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4595
03:57:21,459 --> 03:57:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4596
03:57:23,459 --> 03:57:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4597
03:57:25,459 --> 03:57:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4598
03:57:27,459 --> 03:57:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4599
03:57:29,459 --> 03:57:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4600
03:57:31,459 --> 03:57:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4601
03:57:33,459 --> 03:57:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4602
03:57:35,459 --> 03:57:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4603
03:57:37,459 --> 03:57:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4604
03:57:39,459 --> 03:57:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4605
03:57:41,459 --> 03:57:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4606
03:57:43,459 --> 03:57:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4607
03:57:45,459 --> 03:57:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4608
03:57:47,459 --> 03:57:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4609
03:57:49,459 --> 03:57:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4610
03:57:51,459 --> 03:57:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4611
03:57:53,459 --> 03:57:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4612
03:57:55,459 --> 03:57:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4613
03:57:57,459 --> 03:57:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4614
03:57:59,459 --> 03:58:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4615
03:58:01,459 --> 03:58:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4616
03:58:03,459 --> 03:58:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4617
03:58:05,459 --> 03:58:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4618
03:58:07,459 --> 03:58:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4619
03:58:09,459 --> 03:58:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4620
03:58:11,459 --> 03:58:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4621
03:58:13,459 --> 03:58:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4622
03:58:15,459 --> 03:58:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4623
03:58:17,459 --> 03:58:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4624
03:58:19,459 --> 03:58:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4625
03:58:21,459 --> 03:58:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4626
03:58:23,459 --> 03:58:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4627
03:58:25,459 --> 03:58:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4628
03:58:27,459 --> 03:58:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4629
03:58:29,459 --> 03:58:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4630
03:58:31,459 --> 03:58:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4631
03:58:33,459 --> 03:58:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4632
03:58:35,459 --> 03:58:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4633
03:58:37,459 --> 03:58:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4634
03:58:39,459 --> 03:58:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4635
03:58:41,459 --> 03:58:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4636
03:58:43,459 --> 03:58:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4637
03:58:45,459 --> 03:58:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4638
03:58:47,459 --> 03:58:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4639
03:58:49,459 --> 03:58:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4640
03:58:51,459 --> 03:58:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4641
03:58:53,459 --> 03:58:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4642
03:58:55,459 --> 03:58:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4643
03:58:57,459 --> 03:58:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4644
03:58:59,459 --> 03:59:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4645
03:59:01,459 --> 03:59:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4646
03:59:03,459 --> 03:59:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4647
03:59:05,459 --> 03:59:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4648
03:59:07,459 --> 03:59:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4649
03:59:09,459 --> 03:59:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4650
03:59:11,459 --> 03:59:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4651
03:59:13,459 --> 03:59:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4652
03:59:15,459 --> 03:59:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4653
03:59:17,459 --> 03:59:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4654
03:59:19,459 --> 03:59:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4655
03:59:21,459 --> 03:59:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4656
03:59:23,459 --> 03:59:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4657
03:59:25,459 --> 03:59:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4658
03:59:27,459 --> 03:59:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4659
03:59:29,459 --> 03:59:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4660
03:59:31,459 --> 03:59:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4661
03:59:33,459 --> 03:59:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4662
03:59:35,459 --> 03:59:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4663
03:59:37,459 --> 03:59:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4664
03:59:39,459 --> 03:59:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4665
03:59:41,459 --> 03:59:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4666
03:59:43,459 --> 03:59:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4667
03:59:45,459 --> 03:59:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4668
03:59:47,459 --> 03:59:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4669
03:59:49,459 --> 03:59:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4670
03:59:51,459 --> 03:59:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4671
03:59:53,459 --> 03:59:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4672
03:59:55,459 --> 03:59:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4673
03:59:57,459 --> 03:59:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4674
03:59:59,459 --> 04:00:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4675
04:00:01,459 --> 04:00:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4676
04:00:03,459 --> 04:00:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4677
04:00:05,459 --> 04:00:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4678
04:00:07,459 --> 04:00:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4679
04:00:09,459 --> 04:00:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4680
04:00:11,459 --> 04:00:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4681
04:00:13,459 --> 04:00:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4682
04:00:15,459 --> 04:00:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4683
04:00:17,459 --> 04:00:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4684
04:00:19,459 --> 04:00:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4685
04:00:21,459 --> 04:00:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4686
04:00:23,459 --> 04:00:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4687
04:00:25,459 --> 04:00:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4688
04:00:27,459 --> 04:00:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4689
04:00:29,459 --> 04:00:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4690
04:00:31,459 --> 04:00:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4691
04:00:33,459 --> 04:00:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4692
04:00:35,459 --> 04:00:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4693
04:00:37,459 --> 04:00:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4694
04:00:39,459 --> 04:00:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4695
04:00:41,459 --> 04:00:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4696
04:00:43,459 --> 04:00:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4697
04:00:45,459 --> 04:00:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4698
04:00:47,459 --> 04:00:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4699
04:00:49,459 --> 04:00:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4700
04:00:51,459 --> 04:00:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4701
04:00:53,459 --> 04:00:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4702
04:00:55,459 --> 04:00:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4703
04:00:57,459 --> 04:00:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4704
04:00:59,459 --> 04:01:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4705
04:01:01,459 --> 04:01:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4706
04:01:03,459 --> 04:01:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4707
04:01:05,459 --> 04:01:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4708
04:01:07,459 --> 04:01:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4709
04:01:09,459 --> 04:01:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4710
04:01:11,459 --> 04:01:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4711
04:01:13,459 --> 04:01:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4712
04:01:15,459 --> 04:01:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4713
04:01:17,459 --> 04:01:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4714
04:01:19,459 --> 04:01:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4715
04:01:21,459 --> 04:01:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4716
04:01:23,459 --> 04:01:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4717
04:01:25,459 --> 04:01:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4718
04:01:27,459 --> 04:01:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4719
04:01:29,459 --> 04:01:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4720
04:01:31,459 --> 04:01:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4721
04:01:33,459 --> 04:01:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4722
04:01:35,459 --> 04:01:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4723
04:01:37,459 --> 04:01:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4724
04:01:39,459 --> 04:01:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4725
04:01:41,459 --> 04:01:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4726
04:01:43,459 --> 04:01:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4727
04:01:45,459 --> 04:01:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4728
04:01:47,459 --> 04:01:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4729
04:01:49,459 --> 04:01:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4730
04:01:51,459 --> 04:01:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4731
04:01:53,459 --> 04:01:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4732
04:01:55,459 --> 04:01:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4733
04:01:57,459 --> 04:01:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4734
04:01:59,459 --> 04:02:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4735
04:02:01,459 --> 04:02:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4736
04:02:03,459 --> 04:02:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4737
04:02:05,459 --> 04:02:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4738
04:02:07,459 --> 04:02:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4739
04:02:09,459 --> 04:02:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4740
04:02:11,459 --> 04:02:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4741
04:02:13,459 --> 04:02:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4742
04:02:15,459 --> 04:02:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4743
04:02:17,459 --> 04:02:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4744
04:02:19,459 --> 04:02:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4745
04:02:21,459 --> 04:02:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4746
04:02:23,459 --> 04:02:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4747
04:02:25,459 --> 04:02:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4748
04:02:27,459 --> 04:02:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4749
04:02:29,459 --> 04:02:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4750
04:02:31,459 --> 04:02:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4751
04:02:33,459 --> 04:02:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4752
04:02:35,459 --> 04:02:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4753
04:02:37,459 --> 04:02:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4754
04:02:39,459 --> 04:02:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4755
04:02:41,459 --> 04:02:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4756
04:02:43,459 --> 04:02:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4757
04:02:45,459 --> 04:02:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4758
04:02:47,459 --> 04:02:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4759
04:02:49,459 --> 04:02:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4760
04:02:51,459 --> 04:02:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4761
04:02:53,459 --> 04:02:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4762
04:02:55,459 --> 04:02:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4763
04:02:57,459 --> 04:02:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4764
04:02:59,459 --> 04:03:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4765
04:03:01,459 --> 04:03:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4766
04:03:03,459 --> 04:03:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4767
04:03:05,459 --> 04:03:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4768
04:03:07,459 --> 04:03:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4769
04:03:09,459 --> 04:03:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4770
04:03:11,459 --> 04:03:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4771
04:03:13,459 --> 04:03:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4772
04:03:15,459 --> 04:03:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4773
04:03:17,459 --> 04:03:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4774
04:03:19,459 --> 04:03:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4775
04:03:21,459 --> 04:03:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4776
04:03:23,459 --> 04:03:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4777
04:03:25,459 --> 04:03:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4778
04:03:27,459 --> 04:03:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4779
04:03:29,459 --> 04:03:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4780
04:03:31,459 --> 04:03:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4781
04:03:33,459 --> 04:03:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4782
04:03:35,459 --> 04:03:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4783
04:03:37,459 --> 04:03:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4784
04:03:39,459 --> 04:03:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4785
04:03:41,459 --> 04:03:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4786
04:03:43,459 --> 04:03:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4787
04:03:45,459 --> 04:03:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4788
04:03:47,459 --> 04:03:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4789
04:03:49,459 --> 04:03:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4790
04:03:51,459 --> 04:03:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4791
04:03:53,459 --> 04:03:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4792
04:03:55,459 --> 04:03:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4793
04:03:57,459 --> 04:03:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4794
04:03:59,459 --> 04:04:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4795
04:04:01,459 --> 04:04:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4796
04:04:03,459 --> 04:04:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4797
04:04:05,459 --> 04:04:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4798
04:04:07,459 --> 04:04:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4799
04:04:09,459 --> 04:04:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4800
04:04:11,459 --> 04:04:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4801
04:04:13,459 --> 04:04:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4802
04:04:15,459 --> 04:04:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4803
04:04:17,459 --> 04:04:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4804
04:04:19,459 --> 04:04:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4805
04:04:21,459 --> 04:04:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4806
04:04:23,459 --> 04:04:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4807
04:04:25,459 --> 04:04:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4808
04:04:27,459 --> 04:04:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4809
04:04:29,459 --> 04:04:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4810
04:04:31,459 --> 04:04:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4811
04:04:33,459 --> 04:04:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4812
04:04:35,459 --> 04:04:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4813
04:04:37,459 --> 04:04:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4814
04:04:39,459 --> 04:04:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4815
04:04:41,459 --> 04:04:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4816
04:04:43,459 --> 04:04:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4817
04:04:45,459 --> 04:04:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4818
04:04:47,459 --> 04:04:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4819
04:04:49,459 --> 04:04:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4820
04:04:51,459 --> 04:04:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4821
04:04:53,459 --> 04:04:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4822
04:04:55,459 --> 04:04:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4823
04:04:57,459 --> 04:04:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4824
04:04:59,459 --> 04:05:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4825
04:05:01,459 --> 04:05:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4826
04:05:03,459 --> 04:05:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4827
04:05:05,459 --> 04:05:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4828
04:05:07,459 --> 04:05:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4829
04:05:09,459 --> 04:05:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4830
04:05:11,459 --> 04:05:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4831
04:05:13,459 --> 04:05:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4832
04:05:15,459 --> 04:05:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4833
04:05:17,459 --> 04:05:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4834
04:05:19,459 --> 04:05:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4835
04:05:21,459 --> 04:05:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4836
04:05:23,459 --> 04:05:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4837
04:05:25,459 --> 04:05:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4838
04:05:27,459 --> 04:05:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4839
04:05:29,459 --> 04:05:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4840
04:05:31,459 --> 04:05:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4841
04:05:33,459 --> 04:05:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4842
04:05:35,459 --> 04:05:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4843
04:05:37,459 --> 04:05:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4844
04:05:39,459 --> 04:05:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4845
04:05:41,459 --> 04:05:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4846
04:05:43,459 --> 04:05:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4847
04:05:45,459 --> 04:05:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4848
04:05:47,459 --> 04:05:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4849
04:05:49,459 --> 04:05:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4850
04:05:51,459 --> 04:05:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4851
04:05:53,459 --> 04:05:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4852
04:05:55,459 --> 04:05:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4853
04:05:57,459 --> 04:05:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4854
04:05:59,459 --> 04:06:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4855
04:06:01,459 --> 04:06:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4856
04:06:03,459 --> 04:06:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4857
04:06:05,459 --> 04:06:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4858
04:06:07,459 --> 04:06:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4859
04:06:09,459 --> 04:06:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4860
04:06:11,459 --> 04:06:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4861
04:06:13,459 --> 04:06:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4862
04:06:15,459 --> 04:06:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4863
04:06:17,459 --> 04:06:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4864
04:06:19,459 --> 04:06:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4865
04:06:21,459 --> 04:06:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4866
04:06:23,459 --> 04:06:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4867
04:06:25,459 --> 04:06:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4868
04:06:27,459 --> 04:06:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4869
04:06:29,459 --> 04:06:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4870
04:06:31,459 --> 04:06:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4871
04:06:33,459 --> 04:06:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4872
04:06:35,459 --> 04:06:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4873
04:06:37,459 --> 04:06:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4874
04:06:39,459 --> 04:06:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4875
04:06:41,459 --> 04:06:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4876
04:06:43,459 --> 04:06:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4877
04:06:45,459 --> 04:06:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4878
04:06:47,459 --> 04:06:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4879
04:06:49,459 --> 04:06:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4880
04:06:51,459 --> 04:06:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4881
04:06:53,459 --> 04:06:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4882
04:06:55,459 --> 04:06:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4883
04:06:57,459 --> 04:06:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4884
04:06:59,459 --> 04:07:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4885
04:07:01,459 --> 04:07:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4886
04:07:03,459 --> 04:07:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4887
04:07:05,459 --> 04:07:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4888
04:07:07,459 --> 04:07:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4889
04:07:09,459 --> 04:07:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4890
04:07:11,459 --> 04:07:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4891
04:07:13,459 --> 04:07:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4892
04:07:15,459 --> 04:07:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4893
04:07:17,459 --> 04:07:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4894
04:07:19,459 --> 04:07:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4895
04:07:21,459 --> 04:07:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4896
04:07:23,459 --> 04:07:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4897
04:07:25,459 --> 04:07:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4898
04:07:27,459 --> 04:07:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4899
04:07:29,459 --> 04:07:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4900
04:07:31,459 --> 04:07:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4901
04:07:33,459 --> 04:07:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4902
04:07:35,459 --> 04:07:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4903
04:07:37,459 --> 04:07:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4904
04:07:39,459 --> 04:07:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4905
04:07:41,459 --> 04:07:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4906
04:07:43,459 --> 04:07:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4907
04:07:45,459 --> 04:07:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4908
04:07:47,459 --> 04:07:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4909
04:07:49,459 --> 04:07:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4910
04:07:51,459 --> 04:07:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4911
04:07:53,459 --> 04:07:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4912
04:07:55,459 --> 04:07:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4913
04:07:57,459 --> 04:07:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4914
04:07:59,459 --> 04:08:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4915
04:08:01,459 --> 04:08:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4916
04:08:03,459 --> 04:08:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4917
04:08:05,459 --> 04:08:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4918
04:08:07,459 --> 04:08:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4919
04:08:09,459 --> 04:08:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4920
04:08:11,459 --> 04:08:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4921
04:08:13,459 --> 04:08:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4922
04:08:15,459 --> 04:08:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4923
04:08:17,459 --> 04:08:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4924
04:08:19,459 --> 04:08:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4925
04:08:21,459 --> 04:08:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4926
04:08:23,459 --> 04:08:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4927
04:08:25,459 --> 04:08:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4928
04:08:27,459 --> 04:08:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4929
04:08:29,459 --> 04:08:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4930
04:08:31,459 --> 04:08:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4931
04:08:33,459 --> 04:08:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4932
04:08:35,459 --> 04:08:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4933
04:08:37,459 --> 04:08:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4934
04:08:39,459 --> 04:08:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4935
04:08:41,459 --> 04:08:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4936
04:08:43,459 --> 04:08:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4937
04:08:45,459 --> 04:08:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4938
04:08:47,459 --> 04:08:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4939
04:08:49,459 --> 04:08:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4940
04:08:51,459 --> 04:08:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4941
04:08:53,459 --> 04:08:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4942
04:08:55,459 --> 04:08:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4943
04:08:57,459 --> 04:08:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4944
04:08:59,459 --> 04:09:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4945
04:09:01,459 --> 04:09:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4946
04:09:03,459 --> 04:09:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4947
04:09:05,459 --> 04:09:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4948
04:09:07,459 --> 04:09:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4949
04:09:09,459 --> 04:09:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4950
04:09:11,459 --> 04:09:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4951
04:09:13,459 --> 04:09:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4952
04:09:15,459 --> 04:09:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4953
04:09:17,459 --> 04:09:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4954
04:09:19,459 --> 04:09:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4955
04:09:21,459 --> 04:09:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4956
04:09:23,459 --> 04:09:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4957
04:09:25,459 --> 04:09:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4958
04:09:27,459 --> 04:09:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4959
04:09:29,459 --> 04:09:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4960
04:09:31,459 --> 04:09:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4961
04:09:33,459 --> 04:09:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4962
04:09:35,459 --> 04:09:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4963
04:09:37,459 --> 04:09:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4964
04:09:39,459 --> 04:09:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4965
04:09:41,459 --> 04:09:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4966
04:09:43,459 --> 04:09:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4967
04:09:45,459 --> 04:09:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4968
04:09:47,459 --> 04:09:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4969
04:09:49,459 --> 04:09:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4970
04:09:51,459 --> 04:09:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4971
04:09:53,459 --> 04:09:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4972
04:09:55,459 --> 04:09:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4973
04:09:57,459 --> 04:09:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4974
04:09:59,459 --> 04:10:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4975
04:10:01,459 --> 04:10:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4976
04:10:03,459 --> 04:10:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4977
04:10:05,459 --> 04:10:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4978
04:10:07,459 --> 04:10:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4979
04:10:09,459 --> 04:10:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4980
04:10:11,459 --> 04:10:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4981
04:10:13,459 --> 04:10:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4982
04:10:15,459 --> 04:10:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4983
04:10:17,459 --> 04:10:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4984
04:10:19,459 --> 04:10:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4985
04:10:21,459 --> 04:10:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4986
04:10:23,459 --> 04:10:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4987
04:10:25,459 --> 04:10:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4988
04:10:27,459 --> 04:10:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4989
04:10:29,459 --> 04:10:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4990
04:10:31,459 --> 04:10:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4991
04:10:33,459 --> 04:10:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4992
04:10:35,459 --> 04:10:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4993
04:10:37,459 --> 04:10:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4994
04:10:39,459 --> 04:10:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4995
04:10:41,459 --> 04:10:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4996
04:10:43,459 --> 04:10:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4997
04:10:45,459 --> 04:10:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4998
04:10:47,459 --> 04:10:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

4999
04:10:49,459 --> 04:10:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5000
04:10:51,459 --> 04:10:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5001
04:10:53,459 --> 04:10:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5002
04:10:55,459 --> 04:10:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5003
04:10:57,459 --> 04:10:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5004
04:10:59,459 --> 04:11:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5005
04:11:01,459 --> 04:11:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5006
04:11:03,459 --> 04:11:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5007
04:11:05,459 --> 04:11:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5008
04:11:07,459 --> 04:11:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5009
04:11:09,459 --> 04:11:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5010
04:11:11,459 --> 04:11:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5011
04:11:13,459 --> 04:11:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5012
04:11:15,459 --> 04:11:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5013
04:11:17,459 --> 04:11:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5014
04:11:19,459 --> 04:11:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5015
04:11:21,459 --> 04:11:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5016
04:11:23,459 --> 04:11:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5017
04:11:25,459 --> 04:11:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5018
04:11:27,459 --> 04:11:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5019
04:11:29,459 --> 04:11:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5020
04:11:31,459 --> 04:11:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5021
04:11:33,459 --> 04:11:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5022
04:11:35,459 --> 04:11:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5023
04:11:37,459 --> 04:11:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5024
04:11:39,459 --> 04:11:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5025
04:11:41,459 --> 04:11:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5026
04:11:43,459 --> 04:11:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5027
04:11:45,459 --> 04:11:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5028
04:11:47,459 --> 04:11:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5029
04:11:49,459 --> 04:11:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5030
04:11:51,459 --> 04:11:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5031
04:11:53,459 --> 04:11:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5032
04:11:55,459 --> 04:11:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5033
04:11:57,459 --> 04:11:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5034
04:11:59,459 --> 04:12:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5035
04:12:01,459 --> 04:12:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5036
04:12:03,459 --> 04:12:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5037
04:12:05,459 --> 04:12:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5038
04:12:07,459 --> 04:12:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5039
04:12:09,459 --> 04:12:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5040
04:12:11,459 --> 04:12:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5041
04:12:13,459 --> 04:12:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5042
04:12:15,459 --> 04:12:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5043
04:12:17,459 --> 04:12:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5044
04:12:19,459 --> 04:12:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5045
04:12:21,459 --> 04:12:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5046
04:12:23,459 --> 04:12:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5047
04:12:25,459 --> 04:12:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5048
04:12:27,459 --> 04:12:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5049
04:12:29,459 --> 04:12:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5050
04:12:31,459 --> 04:12:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5051
04:12:33,459 --> 04:12:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5052
04:12:35,459 --> 04:12:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5053
04:12:37,459 --> 04:12:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5054
04:12:39,459 --> 04:12:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5055
04:12:41,459 --> 04:12:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5056
04:12:43,459 --> 04:12:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5057
04:12:45,459 --> 04:12:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5058
04:12:47,459 --> 04:12:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5059
04:12:49,459 --> 04:12:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5060
04:12:51,459 --> 04:12:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5061
04:12:53,459 --> 04:12:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5062
04:12:55,459 --> 04:12:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5063
04:12:57,459 --> 04:12:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5064
04:12:59,459 --> 04:13:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5065
04:13:01,459 --> 04:13:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5066
04:13:03,459 --> 04:13:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5067
04:13:05,459 --> 04:13:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5068
04:13:07,459 --> 04:13:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5069
04:13:09,459 --> 04:13:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5070
04:13:11,459 --> 04:13:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5071
04:13:13,459 --> 04:13:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5072
04:13:15,459 --> 04:13:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5073
04:13:17,459 --> 04:13:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5074
04:13:19,459 --> 04:13:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5075
04:13:21,459 --> 04:13:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5076
04:13:23,459 --> 04:13:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5077
04:13:25,459 --> 04:13:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5078
04:13:27,459 --> 04:13:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5079
04:13:29,459 --> 04:13:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5080
04:13:31,459 --> 04:13:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5081
04:13:33,459 --> 04:13:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5082
04:13:35,459 --> 04:13:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5083
04:13:37,459 --> 04:13:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5084
04:13:39,459 --> 04:13:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5085
04:13:41,459 --> 04:13:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5086
04:13:43,459 --> 04:13:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5087
04:13:45,459 --> 04:13:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5088
04:13:47,459 --> 04:13:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5089
04:13:49,459 --> 04:13:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5090
04:13:51,459 --> 04:13:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5091
04:13:53,459 --> 04:13:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5092
04:13:55,459 --> 04:13:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5093
04:13:57,459 --> 04:13:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5094
04:13:59,459 --> 04:14:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5095
04:14:01,459 --> 04:14:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5096
04:14:03,459 --> 04:14:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5097
04:14:05,459 --> 04:14:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5098
04:14:07,459 --> 04:14:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5099
04:14:09,459 --> 04:14:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5100
04:14:11,459 --> 04:14:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5101
04:14:13,459 --> 04:14:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5102
04:14:15,459 --> 04:14:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5103
04:14:17,459 --> 04:14:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5104
04:14:19,459 --> 04:14:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5105
04:14:21,459 --> 04:14:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5106
04:14:23,459 --> 04:14:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5107
04:14:25,459 --> 04:14:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5108
04:14:27,459 --> 04:14:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5109
04:14:29,459 --> 04:14:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5110
04:14:31,459 --> 04:14:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5111
04:14:33,459 --> 04:14:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5112
04:14:35,459 --> 04:14:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5113
04:14:37,459 --> 04:14:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5114
04:14:39,459 --> 04:14:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5115
04:14:41,459 --> 04:14:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5116
04:14:43,459 --> 04:14:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5117
04:14:45,459 --> 04:14:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5118
04:14:47,459 --> 04:14:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5119
04:14:49,459 --> 04:14:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5120
04:14:51,459 --> 04:14:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5121
04:14:53,459 --> 04:14:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5122
04:14:55,459 --> 04:14:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5123
04:14:57,459 --> 04:14:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5124
04:14:59,459 --> 04:15:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5125
04:15:01,459 --> 04:15:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5126
04:15:03,459 --> 04:15:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5127
04:15:05,459 --> 04:15:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5128
04:15:07,459 --> 04:15:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5129
04:15:09,459 --> 04:15:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5130
04:15:11,459 --> 04:15:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5131
04:15:13,459 --> 04:15:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5132
04:15:15,459 --> 04:15:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5133
04:15:17,459 --> 04:15:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5134
04:15:19,459 --> 04:15:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5135
04:15:21,459 --> 04:15:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5136
04:15:23,459 --> 04:15:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5137
04:15:25,459 --> 04:15:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5138
04:15:27,459 --> 04:15:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5139
04:15:29,459 --> 04:15:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5140
04:15:31,459 --> 04:15:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5141
04:15:33,459 --> 04:15:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5142
04:15:35,459 --> 04:15:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5143
04:15:37,459 --> 04:15:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5144
04:15:39,459 --> 04:15:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5145
04:15:41,459 --> 04:15:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5146
04:15:43,459 --> 04:15:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5147
04:15:45,459 --> 04:15:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5148
04:15:47,459 --> 04:15:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5149
04:15:49,459 --> 04:15:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5150
04:15:51,459 --> 04:15:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5151
04:15:53,459 --> 04:15:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5152
04:15:55,459 --> 04:15:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5153
04:15:57,459 --> 04:15:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5154
04:15:59,459 --> 04:16:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5155
04:16:01,459 --> 04:16:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5156
04:16:03,459 --> 04:16:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5157
04:16:05,459 --> 04:16:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5158
04:16:07,459 --> 04:16:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5159
04:16:09,459 --> 04:16:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5160
04:16:11,459 --> 04:16:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5161
04:16:13,459 --> 04:16:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5162
04:16:15,459 --> 04:16:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5163
04:16:17,459 --> 04:16:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5164
04:16:19,459 --> 04:16:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5165
04:16:21,459 --> 04:16:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5166
04:16:23,459 --> 04:16:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5167
04:16:25,459 --> 04:16:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5168
04:16:27,459 --> 04:16:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5169
04:16:29,459 --> 04:16:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5170
04:16:31,459 --> 04:16:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5171
04:16:33,459 --> 04:16:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5172
04:16:35,459 --> 04:16:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5173
04:16:37,459 --> 04:16:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5174
04:16:39,459 --> 04:16:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5175
04:16:41,459 --> 04:16:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5176
04:16:43,459 --> 04:16:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5177
04:16:45,459 --> 04:16:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5178
04:16:47,459 --> 04:16:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5179
04:16:49,459 --> 04:16:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5180
04:16:51,459 --> 04:16:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5181
04:16:53,459 --> 04:16:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5182
04:16:55,459 --> 04:16:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5183
04:16:57,459 --> 04:16:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5184
04:16:59,459 --> 04:17:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5185
04:17:01,459 --> 04:17:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5186
04:17:03,459 --> 04:17:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5187
04:17:05,459 --> 04:17:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5188
04:17:07,459 --> 04:17:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5189
04:17:09,459 --> 04:17:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5190
04:17:11,459 --> 04:17:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5191
04:17:13,459 --> 04:17:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5192
04:17:15,459 --> 04:17:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5193
04:17:17,459 --> 04:17:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5194
04:17:19,459 --> 04:17:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5195
04:17:21,459 --> 04:17:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5196
04:17:23,459 --> 04:17:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5197
04:17:25,459 --> 04:17:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5198
04:17:27,459 --> 04:17:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5199
04:17:29,459 --> 04:17:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5200
04:17:31,459 --> 04:17:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5201
04:17:33,459 --> 04:17:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5202
04:17:35,459 --> 04:17:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5203
04:17:37,459 --> 04:17:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5204
04:17:39,459 --> 04:17:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5205
04:17:41,459 --> 04:17:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5206
04:17:43,459 --> 04:17:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5207
04:17:45,459 --> 04:17:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5208
04:17:47,459 --> 04:17:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5209
04:17:49,459 --> 04:17:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5210
04:17:51,459 --> 04:17:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5211
04:17:53,459 --> 04:17:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5212
04:17:55,459 --> 04:17:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5213
04:17:57,459 --> 04:17:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5214
04:17:59,459 --> 04:18:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5215
04:18:01,459 --> 04:18:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5216
04:18:03,459 --> 04:18:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5217
04:18:05,459 --> 04:18:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5218
04:18:07,459 --> 04:18:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5219
04:18:09,459 --> 04:18:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5220
04:18:11,459 --> 04:18:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5221
04:18:13,459 --> 04:18:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5222
04:18:15,459 --> 04:18:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5223
04:18:17,459 --> 04:18:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5224
04:18:19,459 --> 04:18:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5225
04:18:21,459 --> 04:18:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5226
04:18:23,459 --> 04:18:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5227
04:18:25,459 --> 04:18:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5228
04:18:27,459 --> 04:18:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5229
04:18:29,459 --> 04:18:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5230
04:18:31,459 --> 04:18:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5231
04:18:33,459 --> 04:18:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5232
04:18:35,459 --> 04:18:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5233
04:18:37,459 --> 04:18:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5234
04:18:39,459 --> 04:18:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5235
04:18:41,459 --> 04:18:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5236
04:18:43,459 --> 04:18:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5237
04:18:45,459 --> 04:18:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5238
04:18:47,459 --> 04:18:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5239
04:18:49,459 --> 04:18:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5240
04:18:51,459 --> 04:18:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5241
04:18:53,459 --> 04:18:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5242
04:18:55,459 --> 04:18:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5243
04:18:57,459 --> 04:18:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5244
04:18:59,459 --> 04:19:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5245
04:19:01,459 --> 04:19:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5246
04:19:03,459 --> 04:19:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5247
04:19:05,459 --> 04:19:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5248
04:19:07,459 --> 04:19:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5249
04:19:09,459 --> 04:19:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5250
04:19:11,459 --> 04:19:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5251
04:19:13,459 --> 04:19:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5252
04:19:15,459 --> 04:19:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5253
04:19:17,459 --> 04:19:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5254
04:19:19,459 --> 04:19:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5255
04:19:21,459 --> 04:19:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5256
04:19:23,459 --> 04:19:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5257
04:19:25,459 --> 04:19:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5258
04:19:27,459 --> 04:19:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5259
04:19:29,459 --> 04:19:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5260
04:19:31,459 --> 04:19:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5261
04:19:33,459 --> 04:19:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5262
04:19:35,459 --> 04:19:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5263
04:19:37,459 --> 04:19:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5264
04:19:39,459 --> 04:19:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5265
04:19:41,459 --> 04:19:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5266
04:19:43,459 --> 04:19:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5267
04:19:45,459 --> 04:19:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5268
04:19:47,459 --> 04:19:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5269
04:19:49,459 --> 04:19:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5270
04:19:51,459 --> 04:19:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5271
04:19:53,459 --> 04:19:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5272
04:19:55,459 --> 04:19:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5273
04:19:57,459 --> 04:19:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5274
04:19:59,459 --> 04:20:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5275
04:20:01,459 --> 04:20:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5276
04:20:03,459 --> 04:20:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5277
04:20:05,459 --> 04:20:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5278
04:20:07,459 --> 04:20:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5279
04:20:09,459 --> 04:20:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5280
04:20:11,459 --> 04:20:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5281
04:20:13,459 --> 04:20:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5282
04:20:15,459 --> 04:20:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5283
04:20:17,459 --> 04:20:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5284
04:20:19,459 --> 04:20:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5285
04:20:21,459 --> 04:20:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5286
04:20:23,459 --> 04:20:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5287
04:20:25,459 --> 04:20:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5288
04:20:27,459 --> 04:20:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5289
04:20:29,459 --> 04:20:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5290
04:20:31,459 --> 04:20:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5291
04:20:33,459 --> 04:20:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5292
04:20:35,459 --> 04:20:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5293
04:20:37,459 --> 04:20:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5294
04:20:39,459 --> 04:20:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5295
04:20:41,459 --> 04:20:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5296
04:20:43,459 --> 04:20:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5297
04:20:45,459 --> 04:20:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5298
04:20:47,459 --> 04:20:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5299
04:20:49,459 --> 04:20:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5300
04:20:51,459 --> 04:20:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5301
04:20:53,459 --> 04:20:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5302
04:20:55,459 --> 04:20:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5303
04:20:57,459 --> 04:20:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5304
04:20:59,459 --> 04:21:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5305
04:21:01,459 --> 04:21:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5306
04:21:03,459 --> 04:21:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5307
04:21:05,459 --> 04:21:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5308
04:21:07,459 --> 04:21:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5309
04:21:09,459 --> 04:21:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5310
04:21:11,459 --> 04:21:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5311
04:21:13,459 --> 04:21:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5312
04:21:15,459 --> 04:21:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5313
04:21:17,459 --> 04:21:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5314
04:21:19,459 --> 04:21:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5315
04:21:21,459 --> 04:21:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5316
04:21:23,459 --> 04:21:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5317
04:21:25,459 --> 04:21:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5318
04:21:27,459 --> 04:21:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5319
04:21:29,459 --> 04:21:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5320
04:21:31,459 --> 04:21:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5321
04:21:33,459 --> 04:21:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5322
04:21:35,459 --> 04:21:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5323
04:21:37,459 --> 04:21:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5324
04:21:39,459 --> 04:21:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5325
04:21:41,459 --> 04:21:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5326
04:21:43,459 --> 04:21:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5327
04:21:45,459 --> 04:21:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5328
04:21:47,459 --> 04:21:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5329
04:21:49,459 --> 04:21:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5330
04:21:51,459 --> 04:21:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5331
04:21:53,459 --> 04:21:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5332
04:21:55,459 --> 04:21:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5333
04:21:57,459 --> 04:21:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5334
04:21:59,459 --> 04:22:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5335
04:22:01,459 --> 04:22:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5336
04:22:03,459 --> 04:22:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5337
04:22:05,459 --> 04:22:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5338
04:22:07,459 --> 04:22:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5339
04:22:09,459 --> 04:22:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5340
04:22:11,459 --> 04:22:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5341
04:22:13,459 --> 04:22:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5342
04:22:15,459 --> 04:22:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5343
04:22:17,459 --> 04:22:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5344
04:22:19,459 --> 04:22:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5345
04:22:21,459 --> 04:22:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5346
04:22:23,459 --> 04:22:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5347
04:22:25,459 --> 04:22:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5348
04:22:27,459 --> 04:22:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5349
04:22:29,459 --> 04:22:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5350
04:22:31,459 --> 04:22:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5351
04:22:33,459 --> 04:22:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5352
04:22:35,459 --> 04:22:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5353
04:22:37,459 --> 04:22:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5354
04:22:39,459 --> 04:22:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5355
04:22:41,459 --> 04:22:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5356
04:22:43,459 --> 04:22:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5357
04:22:45,459 --> 04:22:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5358
04:22:47,459 --> 04:22:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5359
04:22:49,459 --> 04:22:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5360
04:22:51,459 --> 04:22:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5361
04:22:53,459 --> 04:22:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5362
04:22:55,459 --> 04:22:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5363
04:22:57,459 --> 04:22:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5364
04:22:59,459 --> 04:23:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5365
04:23:01,459 --> 04:23:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5366
04:23:03,459 --> 04:23:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5367
04:23:05,459 --> 04:23:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5368
04:23:07,459 --> 04:23:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5369
04:23:09,459 --> 04:23:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5370
04:23:11,459 --> 04:23:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5371
04:23:13,459 --> 04:23:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5372
04:23:15,459 --> 04:23:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5373
04:23:17,459 --> 04:23:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5374
04:23:19,459 --> 04:23:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5375
04:23:21,459 --> 04:23:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5376
04:23:23,459 --> 04:23:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5377
04:23:25,459 --> 04:23:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5378
04:23:27,459 --> 04:23:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5379
04:23:29,459 --> 04:23:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5380
04:23:31,459 --> 04:23:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5381
04:23:33,459 --> 04:23:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5382
04:23:35,459 --> 04:23:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5383
04:23:37,459 --> 04:23:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5384
04:23:39,459 --> 04:23:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5385
04:23:41,459 --> 04:23:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5386
04:23:43,459 --> 04:23:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5387
04:23:45,459 --> 04:23:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5388
04:23:47,459 --> 04:23:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5389
04:23:49,459 --> 04:23:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5390
04:23:51,459 --> 04:23:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5391
04:23:53,459 --> 04:23:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5392
04:23:55,459 --> 04:23:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5393
04:23:57,459 --> 04:23:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5394
04:23:59,459 --> 04:24:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5395
04:24:01,459 --> 04:24:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5396
04:24:03,459 --> 04:24:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5397
04:24:05,459 --> 04:24:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5398
04:24:07,459 --> 04:24:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5399
04:24:09,459 --> 04:24:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5400
04:24:11,459 --> 04:24:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5401
04:24:13,459 --> 04:24:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5402
04:24:15,459 --> 04:24:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5403
04:24:17,459 --> 04:24:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5404
04:24:19,459 --> 04:24:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5405
04:24:21,459 --> 04:24:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5406
04:24:23,459 --> 04:24:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5407
04:24:25,459 --> 04:24:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5408
04:24:27,459 --> 04:24:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5409
04:24:29,459 --> 04:24:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5410
04:24:31,459 --> 04:24:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5411
04:24:33,459 --> 04:24:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5412
04:24:35,459 --> 04:24:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5413
04:24:37,459 --> 04:24:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5414
04:24:39,459 --> 04:24:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5415
04:24:41,459 --> 04:24:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5416
04:24:43,459 --> 04:24:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5417
04:24:45,459 --> 04:24:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5418
04:24:47,459 --> 04:24:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5419
04:24:49,459 --> 04:24:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5420
04:24:51,459 --> 04:24:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5421
04:24:53,459 --> 04:24:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5422
04:24:55,459 --> 04:24:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5423
04:24:57,459 --> 04:24:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5424
04:24:59,459 --> 04:25:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5425
04:25:01,459 --> 04:25:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5426
04:25:03,459 --> 04:25:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5427
04:25:05,459 --> 04:25:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5428
04:25:07,459 --> 04:25:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5429
04:25:09,459 --> 04:25:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5430
04:25:11,459 --> 04:25:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5431
04:25:13,459 --> 04:25:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5432
04:25:15,459 --> 04:25:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5433
04:25:17,459 --> 04:25:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5434
04:25:19,459 --> 04:25:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5435
04:25:21,459 --> 04:25:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5436
04:25:23,459 --> 04:25:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5437
04:25:25,459 --> 04:25:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5438
04:25:27,459 --> 04:25:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5439
04:25:29,459 --> 04:25:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5440
04:25:31,459 --> 04:25:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5441
04:25:33,459 --> 04:25:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5442
04:25:35,459 --> 04:25:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5443
04:25:37,459 --> 04:25:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5444
04:25:39,459 --> 04:25:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5445
04:25:41,459 --> 04:25:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5446
04:25:43,459 --> 04:25:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5447
04:25:45,459 --> 04:25:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5448
04:25:47,459 --> 04:25:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5449
04:25:49,459 --> 04:25:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5450
04:25:51,459 --> 04:25:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5451
04:25:53,459 --> 04:25:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5452
04:25:55,459 --> 04:25:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5453
04:25:57,459 --> 04:25:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5454
04:25:59,459 --> 04:26:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5455
04:26:01,459 --> 04:26:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5456
04:26:03,459 --> 04:26:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5457
04:26:05,459 --> 04:26:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5458
04:26:07,459 --> 04:26:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5459
04:26:09,459 --> 04:26:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5460
04:26:11,459 --> 04:26:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5461
04:26:13,459 --> 04:26:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5462
04:26:15,459 --> 04:26:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5463
04:26:17,459 --> 04:26:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5464
04:26:19,459 --> 04:26:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5465
04:26:21,459 --> 04:26:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5466
04:26:23,459 --> 04:26:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5467
04:26:25,459 --> 04:26:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5468
04:26:27,459 --> 04:26:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5469
04:26:29,459 --> 04:26:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5470
04:26:31,459 --> 04:26:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5471
04:26:33,459 --> 04:26:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5472
04:26:35,459 --> 04:26:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5473
04:26:37,459 --> 04:26:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5474
04:26:39,459 --> 04:26:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5475
04:26:41,459 --> 04:26:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5476
04:26:43,459 --> 04:26:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5477
04:26:45,459 --> 04:26:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5478
04:26:47,459 --> 04:26:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5479
04:26:49,459 --> 04:26:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5480
04:26:51,459 --> 04:26:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5481
04:26:53,459 --> 04:26:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5482
04:26:55,459 --> 04:26:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5483
04:26:57,459 --> 04:26:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5484
04:26:59,459 --> 04:27:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5485
04:27:01,459 --> 04:27:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5486
04:27:03,459 --> 04:27:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5487
04:27:05,459 --> 04:27:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5488
04:27:07,459 --> 04:27:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5489
04:27:09,459 --> 04:27:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5490
04:27:11,459 --> 04:27:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5491
04:27:13,459 --> 04:27:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5492
04:27:15,459 --> 04:27:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5493
04:27:17,459 --> 04:27:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5494
04:27:19,459 --> 04:27:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5495
04:27:21,459 --> 04:27:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5496
04:27:23,459 --> 04:27:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5497
04:27:25,459 --> 04:27:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5498
04:27:27,459 --> 04:27:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5499
04:27:29,459 --> 04:27:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5500
04:27:31,459 --> 04:27:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5501
04:27:33,459 --> 04:27:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5502
04:27:35,459 --> 04:27:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5503
04:27:37,459 --> 04:27:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5504
04:27:39,459 --> 04:27:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5505
04:27:41,459 --> 04:27:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5506
04:27:43,459 --> 04:27:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5507
04:27:45,459 --> 04:27:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5508
04:27:47,459 --> 04:27:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5509
04:27:49,459 --> 04:27:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5510
04:27:51,459 --> 04:27:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5511
04:27:53,459 --> 04:27:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5512
04:27:55,459 --> 04:27:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5513
04:27:57,459 --> 04:27:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5514
04:27:59,459 --> 04:28:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5515
04:28:01,459 --> 04:28:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5516
04:28:03,459 --> 04:28:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5517
04:28:05,459 --> 04:28:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5518
04:28:07,459 --> 04:28:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5519
04:28:09,459 --> 04:28:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5520
04:28:11,459 --> 04:28:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5521
04:28:13,459 --> 04:28:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5522
04:28:15,459 --> 04:28:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5523
04:28:17,459 --> 04:28:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5524
04:28:19,459 --> 04:28:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5525
04:28:21,459 --> 04:28:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5526
04:28:23,459 --> 04:28:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5527
04:28:25,459 --> 04:28:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5528
04:28:27,459 --> 04:28:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5529
04:28:29,459 --> 04:28:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5530
04:28:31,459 --> 04:28:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5531
04:28:33,459 --> 04:28:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5532
04:28:35,459 --> 04:28:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5533
04:28:37,459 --> 04:28:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5534
04:28:39,459 --> 04:28:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5535
04:28:41,459 --> 04:28:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5536
04:28:43,459 --> 04:28:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5537
04:28:45,459 --> 04:28:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5538
04:28:47,459 --> 04:28:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5539
04:28:49,459 --> 04:28:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5540
04:28:51,459 --> 04:28:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5541
04:28:53,459 --> 04:28:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5542
04:28:55,459 --> 04:28:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5543
04:28:57,459 --> 04:28:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5544
04:28:59,459 --> 04:29:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5545
04:29:01,459 --> 04:29:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5546
04:29:03,459 --> 04:29:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5547
04:29:05,459 --> 04:29:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5548
04:29:07,459 --> 04:29:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5549
04:29:09,459 --> 04:29:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5550
04:29:11,459 --> 04:29:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5551
04:29:13,459 --> 04:29:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5552
04:29:15,459 --> 04:29:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5553
04:29:17,459 --> 04:29:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5554
04:29:19,459 --> 04:29:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5555
04:29:21,459 --> 04:29:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5556
04:29:23,459 --> 04:29:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5557
04:29:25,459 --> 04:29:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5558
04:29:27,459 --> 04:29:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5559
04:29:29,459 --> 04:29:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5560
04:29:31,459 --> 04:29:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5561
04:29:33,459 --> 04:29:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5562
04:29:35,459 --> 04:29:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5563
04:29:37,459 --> 04:29:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5564
04:29:39,459 --> 04:29:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5565
04:29:41,459 --> 04:29:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5566
04:29:43,459 --> 04:29:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5567
04:29:45,459 --> 04:29:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5568
04:29:47,459 --> 04:29:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5569
04:29:49,459 --> 04:29:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5570
04:29:51,459 --> 04:29:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5571
04:29:53,459 --> 04:29:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5572
04:29:55,459 --> 04:29:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5573
04:29:57,459 --> 04:29:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5574
04:29:59,459 --> 04:30:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5575
04:30:01,459 --> 04:30:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5576
04:30:03,459 --> 04:30:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5577
04:30:05,459 --> 04:30:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5578
04:30:07,459 --> 04:30:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5579
04:30:09,459 --> 04:30:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5580
04:30:11,459 --> 04:30:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5581
04:30:13,459 --> 04:30:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5582
04:30:15,459 --> 04:30:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5583
04:30:17,459 --> 04:30:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5584
04:30:19,459 --> 04:30:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5585
04:30:21,459 --> 04:30:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5586
04:30:23,459 --> 04:30:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5587
04:30:25,459 --> 04:30:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5588
04:30:27,459 --> 04:30:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5589
04:30:29,459 --> 04:30:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5590
04:30:31,459 --> 04:30:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5591
04:30:33,459 --> 04:30:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5592
04:30:35,459 --> 04:30:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5593
04:30:37,459 --> 04:30:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5594
04:30:39,459 --> 04:30:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5595
04:30:41,459 --> 04:30:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5596
04:30:43,459 --> 04:30:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5597
04:30:45,459 --> 04:30:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5598
04:30:47,459 --> 04:30:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5599
04:30:49,459 --> 04:30:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5600
04:30:51,459 --> 04:30:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5601
04:30:53,459 --> 04:30:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5602
04:30:55,459 --> 04:30:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5603
04:30:57,459 --> 04:30:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5604
04:30:59,459 --> 04:31:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5605
04:31:01,459 --> 04:31:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5606
04:31:03,459 --> 04:31:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5607
04:31:05,459 --> 04:31:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5608
04:31:07,459 --> 04:31:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5609
04:31:09,459 --> 04:31:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5610
04:31:11,459 --> 04:31:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5611
04:31:13,459 --> 04:31:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5612
04:31:15,459 --> 04:31:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5613
04:31:17,459 --> 04:31:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5614
04:31:19,459 --> 04:31:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5615
04:31:21,459 --> 04:31:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5616
04:31:23,459 --> 04:31:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5617
04:31:25,459 --> 04:31:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5618
04:31:27,459 --> 04:31:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5619
04:31:29,459 --> 04:31:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5620
04:31:31,459 --> 04:31:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5621
04:31:33,459 --> 04:31:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5622
04:31:35,459 --> 04:31:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5623
04:31:37,459 --> 04:31:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5624
04:31:39,459 --> 04:31:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5625
04:31:41,459 --> 04:31:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5626
04:31:43,459 --> 04:31:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5627
04:31:45,459 --> 04:31:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5628
04:31:47,459 --> 04:31:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5629
04:31:49,459 --> 04:31:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5630
04:31:51,459 --> 04:31:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5631
04:31:53,459 --> 04:31:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5632
04:31:55,459 --> 04:31:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5633
04:31:57,459 --> 04:31:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5634
04:31:59,459 --> 04:32:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5635
04:32:01,459 --> 04:32:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5636
04:32:03,459 --> 04:32:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5637
04:32:05,459 --> 04:32:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5638
04:32:07,459 --> 04:32:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5639
04:32:09,459 --> 04:32:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5640
04:32:11,459 --> 04:32:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5641
04:32:13,459 --> 04:32:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5642
04:32:15,459 --> 04:32:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5643
04:32:17,459 --> 04:32:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5644
04:32:19,459 --> 04:32:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5645
04:32:21,459 --> 04:32:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5646
04:32:23,459 --> 04:32:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5647
04:32:25,459 --> 04:32:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5648
04:32:27,459 --> 04:32:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5649
04:32:29,459 --> 04:32:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5650
04:32:31,459 --> 04:32:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5651
04:32:33,459 --> 04:32:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5652
04:32:35,459 --> 04:32:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5653
04:32:37,459 --> 04:32:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5654
04:32:39,459 --> 04:32:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5655
04:32:41,459 --> 04:32:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5656
04:32:43,459 --> 04:32:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5657
04:32:45,459 --> 04:32:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5658
04:32:47,459 --> 04:32:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5659
04:32:49,459 --> 04:32:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5660
04:32:51,459 --> 04:32:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5661
04:32:53,459 --> 04:32:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5662
04:32:55,459 --> 04:32:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5663
04:32:57,459 --> 04:32:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5664
04:32:59,459 --> 04:33:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5665
04:33:01,459 --> 04:33:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5666
04:33:03,459 --> 04:33:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5667
04:33:05,459 --> 04:33:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5668
04:33:07,459 --> 04:33:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5669
04:33:09,459 --> 04:33:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5670
04:33:11,459 --> 04:33:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5671
04:33:13,459 --> 04:33:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5672
04:33:15,459 --> 04:33:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5673
04:33:17,459 --> 04:33:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5674
04:33:19,459 --> 04:33:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5675
04:33:21,459 --> 04:33:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5676
04:33:23,459 --> 04:33:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5677
04:33:25,459 --> 04:33:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5678
04:33:27,459 --> 04:33:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5679
04:33:29,459 --> 04:33:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5680
04:33:31,459 --> 04:33:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5681
04:33:33,459 --> 04:33:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5682
04:33:35,459 --> 04:33:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5683
04:33:37,459 --> 04:33:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5684
04:33:39,459 --> 04:33:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5685
04:33:41,459 --> 04:33:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5686
04:33:43,459 --> 04:33:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5687
04:33:45,459 --> 04:33:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5688
04:33:47,459 --> 04:33:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5689
04:33:49,459 --> 04:33:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5690
04:33:51,459 --> 04:33:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5691
04:33:53,459 --> 04:33:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5692
04:33:55,459 --> 04:33:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5693
04:33:57,459 --> 04:33:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5694
04:33:59,459 --> 04:34:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5695
04:34:01,459 --> 04:34:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5696
04:34:03,459 --> 04:34:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5697
04:34:05,459 --> 04:34:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5698
04:34:07,459 --> 04:34:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5699
04:34:09,459 --> 04:34:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5700
04:34:11,459 --> 04:34:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5701
04:34:13,459 --> 04:34:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5702
04:34:15,459 --> 04:34:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5703
04:34:17,459 --> 04:34:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5704
04:34:19,459 --> 04:34:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5705
04:34:21,459 --> 04:34:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5706
04:34:23,459 --> 04:34:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5707
04:34:25,459 --> 04:34:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5708
04:34:27,459 --> 04:34:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5709
04:34:29,459 --> 04:34:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5710
04:34:31,459 --> 04:34:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5711
04:34:33,459 --> 04:34:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5712
04:34:35,459 --> 04:34:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5713
04:34:37,459 --> 04:34:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5714
04:34:39,459 --> 04:34:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5715
04:34:41,459 --> 04:34:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5716
04:34:43,459 --> 04:34:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5717
04:34:45,459 --> 04:34:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5718
04:34:47,459 --> 04:34:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5719
04:34:49,459 --> 04:34:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5720
04:34:51,459 --> 04:34:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5721
04:34:53,459 --> 04:34:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5722
04:34:55,459 --> 04:34:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5723
04:34:57,459 --> 04:34:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5724
04:34:59,459 --> 04:35:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5725
04:35:01,459 --> 04:35:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5726
04:35:03,459 --> 04:35:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5727
04:35:05,459 --> 04:35:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5728
04:35:07,459 --> 04:35:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5729
04:35:09,459 --> 04:35:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5730
04:35:11,459 --> 04:35:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5731
04:35:13,459 --> 04:35:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5732
04:35:15,459 --> 04:35:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5733
04:35:17,459 --> 04:35:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5734
04:35:19,459 --> 04:35:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5735
04:35:21,459 --> 04:35:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5736
04:35:23,459 --> 04:35:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5737
04:35:25,459 --> 04:35:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5738
04:35:27,459 --> 04:35:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5739
04:35:29,459 --> 04:35:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5740
04:35:31,459 --> 04:35:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5741
04:35:33,459 --> 04:35:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5742
04:35:35,459 --> 04:35:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5743
04:35:37,459 --> 04:35:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5744
04:35:39,459 --> 04:35:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5745
04:35:41,459 --> 04:35:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5746
04:35:43,459 --> 04:35:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5747
04:35:45,459 --> 04:35:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5748
04:35:47,459 --> 04:35:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5749
04:35:49,459 --> 04:35:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5750
04:35:51,459 --> 04:35:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5751
04:35:53,459 --> 04:35:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5752
04:35:55,459 --> 04:35:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5753
04:35:57,459 --> 04:35:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5754
04:35:59,459 --> 04:36:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5755
04:36:01,459 --> 04:36:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5756
04:36:03,459 --> 04:36:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5757
04:36:05,459 --> 04:36:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5758
04:36:07,459 --> 04:36:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5759
04:36:09,459 --> 04:36:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5760
04:36:11,459 --> 04:36:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5761
04:36:13,459 --> 04:36:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5762
04:36:15,459 --> 04:36:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5763
04:36:17,459 --> 04:36:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5764
04:36:19,459 --> 04:36:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5765
04:36:21,459 --> 04:36:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5766
04:36:23,459 --> 04:36:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5767
04:36:25,459 --> 04:36:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5768
04:36:27,459 --> 04:36:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5769
04:36:29,459 --> 04:36:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5770
04:36:31,459 --> 04:36:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5771
04:36:33,459 --> 04:36:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5772
04:36:35,459 --> 04:36:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5773
04:36:37,459 --> 04:36:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5774
04:36:39,459 --> 04:36:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5775
04:36:41,459 --> 04:36:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5776
04:36:43,459 --> 04:36:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5777
04:36:45,459 --> 04:36:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5778
04:36:47,459 --> 04:36:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5779
04:36:49,459 --> 04:36:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5780
04:36:51,459 --> 04:36:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5781
04:36:53,459 --> 04:36:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5782
04:36:55,459 --> 04:36:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5783
04:36:57,459 --> 04:36:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5784
04:36:59,459 --> 04:37:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5785
04:37:01,459 --> 04:37:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5786
04:37:03,459 --> 04:37:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5787
04:37:05,459 --> 04:37:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5788
04:37:07,459 --> 04:37:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5789
04:37:09,459 --> 04:37:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5790
04:37:11,459 --> 04:37:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5791
04:37:13,459 --> 04:37:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5792
04:37:15,459 --> 04:37:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5793
04:37:17,459 --> 04:37:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5794
04:37:19,459 --> 04:37:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5795
04:37:21,459 --> 04:37:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5796
04:37:23,459 --> 04:37:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5797
04:37:25,459 --> 04:37:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5798
04:37:27,459 --> 04:37:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5799
04:37:29,459 --> 04:37:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5800
04:37:31,459 --> 04:37:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5801
04:37:33,459 --> 04:37:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5802
04:37:35,459 --> 04:37:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5803
04:37:37,459 --> 04:37:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5804
04:37:39,459 --> 04:37:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5805
04:37:41,459 --> 04:37:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5806
04:37:43,459 --> 04:37:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5807
04:37:45,459 --> 04:37:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5808
04:37:47,459 --> 04:37:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5809
04:37:49,459 --> 04:37:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5810
04:37:51,459 --> 04:37:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5811
04:37:53,459 --> 04:37:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5812
04:37:55,459 --> 04:37:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5813
04:37:57,459 --> 04:37:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5814
04:37:59,459 --> 04:38:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5815
04:38:01,459 --> 04:38:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5816
04:38:03,459 --> 04:38:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5817
04:38:05,459 --> 04:38:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5818
04:38:07,459 --> 04:38:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5819
04:38:09,459 --> 04:38:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5820
04:38:11,459 --> 04:38:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5821
04:38:13,459 --> 04:38:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5822
04:38:15,459 --> 04:38:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5823
04:38:17,459 --> 04:38:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5824
04:38:19,459 --> 04:38:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5825
04:38:21,459 --> 04:38:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5826
04:38:23,459 --> 04:38:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5827
04:38:25,459 --> 04:38:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5828
04:38:27,459 --> 04:38:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5829
04:38:29,459 --> 04:38:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5830
04:38:31,459 --> 04:38:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5831
04:38:33,459 --> 04:38:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5832
04:38:35,459 --> 04:38:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5833
04:38:37,459 --> 04:38:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5834
04:38:39,459 --> 04:38:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5835
04:38:41,459 --> 04:38:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5836
04:38:43,459 --> 04:38:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5837
04:38:45,459 --> 04:38:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5838
04:38:47,459 --> 04:38:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5839
04:38:49,459 --> 04:38:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5840
04:38:51,459 --> 04:38:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5841
04:38:53,459 --> 04:38:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5842
04:38:55,459 --> 04:38:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5843
04:38:57,459 --> 04:38:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5844
04:38:59,459 --> 04:39:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5845
04:39:01,459 --> 04:39:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5846
04:39:03,459 --> 04:39:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5847
04:39:05,459 --> 04:39:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5848
04:39:07,459 --> 04:39:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5849
04:39:09,459 --> 04:39:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5850
04:39:11,459 --> 04:39:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5851
04:39:13,459 --> 04:39:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5852
04:39:15,459 --> 04:39:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5853
04:39:17,459 --> 04:39:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5854
04:39:19,459 --> 04:39:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5855
04:39:21,459 --> 04:39:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5856
04:39:23,459 --> 04:39:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5857
04:39:25,459 --> 04:39:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5858
04:39:27,459 --> 04:39:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5859
04:39:29,459 --> 04:39:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5860
04:39:31,459 --> 04:39:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5861
04:39:33,459 --> 04:39:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5862
04:39:35,459 --> 04:39:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5863
04:39:37,459 --> 04:39:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5864
04:39:39,459 --> 04:39:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5865
04:39:41,459 --> 04:39:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5866
04:39:43,459 --> 04:39:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5867
04:39:45,459 --> 04:39:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5868
04:39:47,459 --> 04:39:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5869
04:39:49,459 --> 04:39:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5870
04:39:51,459 --> 04:39:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5871
04:39:53,459 --> 04:39:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5872
04:39:55,459 --> 04:39:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5873
04:39:57,459 --> 04:39:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5874
04:39:59,459 --> 04:40:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5875
04:40:01,459 --> 04:40:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5876
04:40:03,459 --> 04:40:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5877
04:40:05,459 --> 04:40:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5878
04:40:07,459 --> 04:40:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5879
04:40:09,459 --> 04:40:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5880
04:40:11,459 --> 04:40:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5881
04:40:13,459 --> 04:40:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5882
04:40:15,459 --> 04:40:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5883
04:40:17,459 --> 04:40:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5884
04:40:19,459 --> 04:40:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5885
04:40:21,459 --> 04:40:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5886
04:40:23,459 --> 04:40:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5887
04:40:25,459 --> 04:40:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5888
04:40:27,459 --> 04:40:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5889
04:40:29,459 --> 04:40:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5890
04:40:31,459 --> 04:40:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5891
04:40:33,459 --> 04:40:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5892
04:40:35,459 --> 04:40:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5893
04:40:37,459 --> 04:40:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5894
04:40:39,459 --> 04:40:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5895
04:40:41,459 --> 04:40:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5896
04:40:43,459 --> 04:40:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5897
04:40:45,459 --> 04:40:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5898
04:40:47,459 --> 04:40:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5899
04:40:49,459 --> 04:40:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5900
04:40:51,459 --> 04:40:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5901
04:40:53,459 --> 04:40:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5902
04:40:55,459 --> 04:40:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5903
04:40:57,459 --> 04:40:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5904
04:40:59,459 --> 04:41:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5905
04:41:01,459 --> 04:41:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5906
04:41:03,459 --> 04:41:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5907
04:41:05,459 --> 04:41:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5908
04:41:07,459 --> 04:41:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5909
04:41:09,459 --> 04:41:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5910
04:41:11,459 --> 04:41:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5911
04:41:13,459 --> 04:41:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5912
04:41:15,459 --> 04:41:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5913
04:41:17,459 --> 04:41:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5914
04:41:19,459 --> 04:41:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5915
04:41:21,459 --> 04:41:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5916
04:41:23,459 --> 04:41:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5917
04:41:25,459 --> 04:41:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5918
04:41:27,459 --> 04:41:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5919
04:41:29,459 --> 04:41:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5920
04:41:31,459 --> 04:41:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5921
04:41:33,459 --> 04:41:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5922
04:41:35,459 --> 04:41:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5923
04:41:37,459 --> 04:41:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5924
04:41:39,459 --> 04:41:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5925
04:41:41,459 --> 04:41:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5926
04:41:43,459 --> 04:41:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5927
04:41:45,459 --> 04:41:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5928
04:41:47,459 --> 04:41:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5929
04:41:49,459 --> 04:41:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5930
04:41:51,459 --> 04:41:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5931
04:41:53,459 --> 04:41:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5932
04:41:55,459 --> 04:41:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5933
04:41:57,459 --> 04:41:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5934
04:41:59,459 --> 04:42:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5935
04:42:01,459 --> 04:42:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5936
04:42:03,459 --> 04:42:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5937
04:42:05,459 --> 04:42:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5938
04:42:07,459 --> 04:42:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5939
04:42:09,459 --> 04:42:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5940
04:42:11,459 --> 04:42:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5941
04:42:13,459 --> 04:42:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5942
04:42:15,459 --> 04:42:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5943
04:42:17,459 --> 04:42:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5944
04:42:19,459 --> 04:42:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5945
04:42:21,459 --> 04:42:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5946
04:42:23,459 --> 04:42:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5947
04:42:25,459 --> 04:42:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5948
04:42:27,459 --> 04:42:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5949
04:42:29,459 --> 04:42:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5950
04:42:31,459 --> 04:42:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5951
04:42:33,459 --> 04:42:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5952
04:42:35,459 --> 04:42:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5953
04:42:37,459 --> 04:42:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5954
04:42:39,459 --> 04:42:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5955
04:42:41,459 --> 04:42:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5956
04:42:43,459 --> 04:42:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5957
04:42:45,459 --> 04:42:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5958
04:42:47,459 --> 04:42:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5959
04:42:49,459 --> 04:42:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5960
04:42:51,459 --> 04:42:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5961
04:42:53,459 --> 04:42:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5962
04:42:55,459 --> 04:42:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5963
04:42:57,459 --> 04:42:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5964
04:42:59,459 --> 04:43:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5965
04:43:01,459 --> 04:43:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5966
04:43:03,459 --> 04:43:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5967
04:43:05,459 --> 04:43:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5968
04:43:07,459 --> 04:43:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5969
04:43:09,459 --> 04:43:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5970
04:43:11,459 --> 04:43:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5971
04:43:13,459 --> 04:43:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5972
04:43:15,459 --> 04:43:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5973
04:43:17,459 --> 04:43:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5974
04:43:19,459 --> 04:43:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5975
04:43:21,459 --> 04:43:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5976
04:43:23,459 --> 04:43:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5977
04:43:25,459 --> 04:43:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5978
04:43:27,459 --> 04:43:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5979
04:43:29,459 --> 04:43:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5980
04:43:31,459 --> 04:43:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5981
04:43:33,459 --> 04:43:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5982
04:43:35,459 --> 04:43:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5983
04:43:37,459 --> 04:43:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5984
04:43:39,459 --> 04:43:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5985
04:43:41,459 --> 04:43:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5986
04:43:43,459 --> 04:43:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5987
04:43:45,459 --> 04:43:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5988
04:43:47,459 --> 04:43:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5989
04:43:49,459 --> 04:43:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5990
04:43:51,459 --> 04:43:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5991
04:43:53,459 --> 04:43:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5992
04:43:55,459 --> 04:43:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5993
04:43:57,459 --> 04:43:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5994
04:43:59,459 --> 04:44:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5995
04:44:01,459 --> 04:44:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5996
04:44:03,459 --> 04:44:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5997
04:44:05,459 --> 04:44:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5998
04:44:07,459 --> 04:44:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

5999
04:44:09,459 --> 04:44:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6000
04:44:11,459 --> 04:44:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6001
04:44:13,459 --> 04:44:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6002
04:44:15,459 --> 04:44:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6003
04:44:17,459 --> 04:44:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6004
04:44:19,459 --> 04:44:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6005
04:44:21,459 --> 04:44:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6006
04:44:23,459 --> 04:44:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6007
04:44:25,459 --> 04:44:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6008
04:44:27,459 --> 04:44:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6009
04:44:29,459 --> 04:44:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6010
04:44:31,459 --> 04:44:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6011
04:44:33,459 --> 04:44:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6012
04:44:35,459 --> 04:44:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6013
04:44:37,459 --> 04:44:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6014
04:44:39,459 --> 04:44:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6015
04:44:41,459 --> 04:44:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6016
04:44:43,459 --> 04:44:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6017
04:44:45,459 --> 04:44:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6018
04:44:47,459 --> 04:44:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6019
04:44:49,459 --> 04:44:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6020
04:44:51,459 --> 04:44:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6021
04:44:53,459 --> 04:44:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6022
04:44:55,459 --> 04:44:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6023
04:44:57,459 --> 04:44:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6024
04:44:59,459 --> 04:45:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6025
04:45:01,459 --> 04:45:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6026
04:45:03,459 --> 04:45:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6027
04:45:05,459 --> 04:45:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6028
04:45:07,459 --> 04:45:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6029
04:45:09,459 --> 04:45:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6030
04:45:11,459 --> 04:45:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6031
04:45:13,459 --> 04:45:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6032
04:45:15,459 --> 04:45:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6033
04:45:17,459 --> 04:45:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6034
04:45:19,459 --> 04:45:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6035
04:45:21,459 --> 04:45:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6036
04:45:23,459 --> 04:45:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6037
04:45:25,459 --> 04:45:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6038
04:45:27,459 --> 04:45:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6039
04:45:29,459 --> 04:45:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6040
04:45:31,459 --> 04:45:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6041
04:45:33,459 --> 04:45:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6042
04:45:35,459 --> 04:45:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6043
04:45:37,459 --> 04:45:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6044
04:45:39,459 --> 04:45:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6045
04:45:41,459 --> 04:45:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6046
04:45:43,459 --> 04:45:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6047
04:45:45,459 --> 04:45:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6048
04:45:47,459 --> 04:45:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6049
04:45:49,459 --> 04:45:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6050
04:45:51,459 --> 04:45:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6051
04:45:53,459 --> 04:45:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6052
04:45:55,459 --> 04:45:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6053
04:45:57,459 --> 04:45:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6054
04:45:59,459 --> 04:46:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6055
04:46:01,459 --> 04:46:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6056
04:46:03,459 --> 04:46:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6057
04:46:05,459 --> 04:46:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6058
04:46:07,459 --> 04:46:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6059
04:46:09,459 --> 04:46:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6060
04:46:11,459 --> 04:46:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6061
04:46:13,459 --> 04:46:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6062
04:46:15,459 --> 04:46:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6063
04:46:17,459 --> 04:46:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6064
04:46:19,459 --> 04:46:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6065
04:46:21,459 --> 04:46:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6066
04:46:23,459 --> 04:46:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6067
04:46:25,459 --> 04:46:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6068
04:46:27,459 --> 04:46:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6069
04:46:29,459 --> 04:46:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6070
04:46:31,459 --> 04:46:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6071
04:46:33,459 --> 04:46:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6072
04:46:35,459 --> 04:46:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6073
04:46:37,459 --> 04:46:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6074
04:46:39,459 --> 04:46:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6075
04:46:41,459 --> 04:46:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6076
04:46:43,459 --> 04:46:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6077
04:46:45,459 --> 04:46:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6078
04:46:47,459 --> 04:46:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6079
04:46:49,459 --> 04:46:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6080
04:46:51,459 --> 04:46:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6081
04:46:53,459 --> 04:46:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6082
04:46:55,459 --> 04:46:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6083
04:46:57,459 --> 04:46:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6084
04:46:59,459 --> 04:47:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6085
04:47:01,459 --> 04:47:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6086
04:47:03,459 --> 04:47:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6087
04:47:05,459 --> 04:47:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6088
04:47:07,459 --> 04:47:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6089
04:47:09,459 --> 04:47:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6090
04:47:11,459 --> 04:47:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6091
04:47:13,459 --> 04:47:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6092
04:47:15,459 --> 04:47:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6093
04:47:17,459 --> 04:47:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6094
04:47:19,459 --> 04:47:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6095
04:47:21,459 --> 04:47:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6096
04:47:23,459 --> 04:47:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6097
04:47:25,459 --> 04:47:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6098
04:47:27,459 --> 04:47:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6099
04:47:29,459 --> 04:47:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6100
04:47:31,459 --> 04:47:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6101
04:47:33,459 --> 04:47:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6102
04:47:35,459 --> 04:47:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6103
04:47:37,459 --> 04:47:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6104
04:47:39,459 --> 04:47:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6105
04:47:41,459 --> 04:47:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6106
04:47:43,459 --> 04:47:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6107
04:47:45,459 --> 04:47:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6108
04:47:47,459 --> 04:47:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6109
04:47:49,459 --> 04:47:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6110
04:47:51,459 --> 04:47:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6111
04:47:53,459 --> 04:47:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6112
04:47:55,459 --> 04:47:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6113
04:47:57,459 --> 04:47:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6114
04:47:59,459 --> 04:48:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6115
04:48:01,459 --> 04:48:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6116
04:48:03,459 --> 04:48:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6117
04:48:05,459 --> 04:48:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6118
04:48:07,459 --> 04:48:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6119
04:48:09,459 --> 04:48:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6120
04:48:11,459 --> 04:48:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6121
04:48:13,459 --> 04:48:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6122
04:48:15,459 --> 04:48:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6123
04:48:17,459 --> 04:48:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6124
04:48:19,459 --> 04:48:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6125
04:48:21,459 --> 04:48:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6126
04:48:23,459 --> 04:48:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6127
04:48:25,459 --> 04:48:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6128
04:48:27,459 --> 04:48:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6129
04:48:29,459 --> 04:48:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6130
04:48:31,459 --> 04:48:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6131
04:48:33,459 --> 04:48:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6132
04:48:35,459 --> 04:48:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6133
04:48:37,459 --> 04:48:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6134
04:48:39,459 --> 04:48:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6135
04:48:41,459 --> 04:48:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6136
04:48:43,459 --> 04:48:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6137
04:48:45,459 --> 04:48:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6138
04:48:47,459 --> 04:48:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6139
04:48:49,459 --> 04:48:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6140
04:48:51,459 --> 04:48:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6141
04:48:53,459 --> 04:48:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6142
04:48:55,459 --> 04:48:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6143
04:48:57,459 --> 04:48:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6144
04:48:59,459 --> 04:49:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6145
04:49:01,459 --> 04:49:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6146
04:49:03,459 --> 04:49:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6147
04:49:05,459 --> 04:49:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6148
04:49:07,459 --> 04:49:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6149
04:49:09,459 --> 04:49:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6150
04:49:11,459 --> 04:49:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6151
04:49:13,459 --> 04:49:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6152
04:49:15,459 --> 04:49:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6153
04:49:17,459 --> 04:49:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6154
04:49:19,459 --> 04:49:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6155
04:49:21,459 --> 04:49:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6156
04:49:23,459 --> 04:49:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6157
04:49:25,459 --> 04:49:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6158
04:49:27,459 --> 04:49:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6159
04:49:29,459 --> 04:49:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6160
04:49:31,459 --> 04:49:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6161
04:49:33,459 --> 04:49:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6162
04:49:35,459 --> 04:49:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6163
04:49:37,459 --> 04:49:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6164
04:49:39,459 --> 04:49:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6165
04:49:41,459 --> 04:49:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6166
04:49:43,459 --> 04:49:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6167
04:49:45,459 --> 04:49:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6168
04:49:47,459 --> 04:49:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6169
04:49:49,459 --> 04:49:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6170
04:49:51,459 --> 04:49:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6171
04:49:53,459 --> 04:49:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6172
04:49:55,459 --> 04:49:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6173
04:49:57,459 --> 04:49:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6174
04:49:59,459 --> 04:50:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6175
04:50:01,459 --> 04:50:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6176
04:50:03,459 --> 04:50:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6177
04:50:05,459 --> 04:50:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6178
04:50:07,459 --> 04:50:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6179
04:50:09,459 --> 04:50:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6180
04:50:11,459 --> 04:50:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6181
04:50:13,459 --> 04:50:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6182
04:50:15,459 --> 04:50:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6183
04:50:17,459 --> 04:50:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6184
04:50:19,459 --> 04:50:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6185
04:50:21,459 --> 04:50:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6186
04:50:23,459 --> 04:50:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6187
04:50:25,459 --> 04:50:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6188
04:50:27,459 --> 04:50:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6189
04:50:29,459 --> 04:50:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6190
04:50:31,459 --> 04:50:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6191
04:50:33,459 --> 04:50:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6192
04:50:35,459 --> 04:50:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6193
04:50:37,459 --> 04:50:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6194
04:50:39,459 --> 04:50:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6195
04:50:41,459 --> 04:50:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6196
04:50:43,459 --> 04:50:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6197
04:50:45,459 --> 04:50:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6198
04:50:47,459 --> 04:50:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6199
04:50:49,459 --> 04:50:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6200
04:50:51,459 --> 04:50:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6201
04:50:53,459 --> 04:50:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6202
04:50:55,459 --> 04:50:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6203
04:50:57,459 --> 04:50:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6204
04:50:59,459 --> 04:51:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6205
04:51:01,459 --> 04:51:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6206
04:51:03,459 --> 04:51:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6207
04:51:05,459 --> 04:51:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6208
04:51:07,459 --> 04:51:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6209
04:51:09,459 --> 04:51:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6210
04:51:11,459 --> 04:51:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6211
04:51:13,459 --> 04:51:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6212
04:51:15,459 --> 04:51:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6213
04:51:17,459 --> 04:51:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6214
04:51:19,459 --> 04:51:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6215
04:51:21,459 --> 04:51:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6216
04:51:23,459 --> 04:51:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6217
04:51:25,459 --> 04:51:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6218
04:51:27,459 --> 04:51:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6219
04:51:29,459 --> 04:51:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6220
04:51:31,459 --> 04:51:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6221
04:51:33,459 --> 04:51:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6222
04:51:35,459 --> 04:51:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6223
04:51:37,459 --> 04:51:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6224
04:51:39,459 --> 04:51:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6225
04:51:41,459 --> 04:51:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6226
04:51:43,459 --> 04:51:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6227
04:51:45,459 --> 04:51:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6228
04:51:47,459 --> 04:51:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6229
04:51:49,459 --> 04:51:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6230
04:51:51,459 --> 04:51:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6231
04:51:53,459 --> 04:51:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6232
04:51:55,459 --> 04:51:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6233
04:51:57,459 --> 04:51:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6234
04:51:59,459 --> 04:52:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6235
04:52:01,459 --> 04:52:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6236
04:52:03,459 --> 04:52:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6237
04:52:05,459 --> 04:52:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6238
04:52:07,459 --> 04:52:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6239
04:52:09,459 --> 04:52:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6240
04:52:11,459 --> 04:52:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6241
04:52:13,459 --> 04:52:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6242
04:52:15,459 --> 04:52:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6243
04:52:17,459 --> 04:52:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6244
04:52:19,459 --> 04:52:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6245
04:52:21,459 --> 04:52:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6246
04:52:23,459 --> 04:52:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6247
04:52:25,459 --> 04:52:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6248
04:52:27,459 --> 04:52:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6249
04:52:29,459 --> 04:52:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6250
04:52:31,459 --> 04:52:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6251
04:52:33,459 --> 04:52:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6252
04:52:35,459 --> 04:52:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6253
04:52:37,459 --> 04:52:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6254
04:52:39,459 --> 04:52:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6255
04:52:41,459 --> 04:52:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6256
04:52:43,459 --> 04:52:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6257
04:52:45,459 --> 04:52:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6258
04:52:47,459 --> 04:52:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6259
04:52:49,459 --> 04:52:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6260
04:52:51,459 --> 04:52:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6261
04:52:53,459 --> 04:52:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6262
04:52:55,459 --> 04:52:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6263
04:52:57,459 --> 04:52:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6264
04:52:59,459 --> 04:53:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6265
04:53:01,459 --> 04:53:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6266
04:53:03,459 --> 04:53:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6267
04:53:05,459 --> 04:53:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6268
04:53:07,459 --> 04:53:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6269
04:53:09,459 --> 04:53:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6270
04:53:11,459 --> 04:53:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6271
04:53:13,459 --> 04:53:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6272
04:53:15,459 --> 04:53:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6273
04:53:17,459 --> 04:53:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6274
04:53:19,459 --> 04:53:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6275
04:53:21,459 --> 04:53:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6276
04:53:23,459 --> 04:53:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6277
04:53:25,459 --> 04:53:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6278
04:53:27,459 --> 04:53:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6279
04:53:29,459 --> 04:53:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6280
04:53:31,459 --> 04:53:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6281
04:53:33,459 --> 04:53:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6282
04:53:35,459 --> 04:53:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6283
04:53:37,459 --> 04:53:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6284
04:53:39,459 --> 04:53:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6285
04:53:41,459 --> 04:53:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6286
04:53:43,459 --> 04:53:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6287
04:53:45,459 --> 04:53:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6288
04:53:47,459 --> 04:53:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6289
04:53:49,459 --> 04:53:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6290
04:53:51,459 --> 04:53:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6291
04:53:53,459 --> 04:53:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6292
04:53:55,459 --> 04:53:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6293
04:53:57,459 --> 04:53:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6294
04:53:59,459 --> 04:54:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6295
04:54:01,459 --> 04:54:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6296
04:54:03,459 --> 04:54:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6297
04:54:05,459 --> 04:54:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6298
04:54:07,459 --> 04:54:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6299
04:54:09,459 --> 04:54:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6300
04:54:11,459 --> 04:54:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6301
04:54:13,459 --> 04:54:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6302
04:54:15,459 --> 04:54:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6303
04:54:17,459 --> 04:54:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6304
04:54:19,459 --> 04:54:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6305
04:54:21,459 --> 04:54:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6306
04:54:23,459 --> 04:54:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6307
04:54:25,459 --> 04:54:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6308
04:54:27,459 --> 04:54:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6309
04:54:29,459 --> 04:54:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6310
04:54:31,459 --> 04:54:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6311
04:54:33,459 --> 04:54:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6312
04:54:35,459 --> 04:54:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6313
04:54:37,459 --> 04:54:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6314
04:54:39,459 --> 04:54:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6315
04:54:41,459 --> 04:54:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6316
04:54:43,459 --> 04:54:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6317
04:54:45,459 --> 04:54:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6318
04:54:47,459 --> 04:54:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6319
04:54:49,459 --> 04:54:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6320
04:54:51,459 --> 04:54:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6321
04:54:53,459 --> 04:54:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6322
04:54:55,459 --> 04:54:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6323
04:54:57,459 --> 04:54:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6324
04:54:59,459 --> 04:55:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6325
04:55:01,459 --> 04:55:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6326
04:55:03,459 --> 04:55:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6327
04:55:05,459 --> 04:55:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6328
04:55:07,459 --> 04:55:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6329
04:55:09,459 --> 04:55:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6330
04:55:11,459 --> 04:55:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6331
04:55:13,459 --> 04:55:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6332
04:55:15,459 --> 04:55:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6333
04:55:17,459 --> 04:55:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6334
04:55:19,459 --> 04:55:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6335
04:55:21,459 --> 04:55:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6336
04:55:23,459 --> 04:55:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6337
04:55:25,459 --> 04:55:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6338
04:55:27,459 --> 04:55:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6339
04:55:29,459 --> 04:55:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6340
04:55:31,459 --> 04:55:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6341
04:55:33,459 --> 04:55:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6342
04:55:35,459 --> 04:55:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6343
04:55:37,459 --> 04:55:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6344
04:55:39,459 --> 04:55:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6345
04:55:41,459 --> 04:55:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6346
04:55:43,459 --> 04:55:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6347
04:55:45,459 --> 04:55:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6348
04:55:47,459 --> 04:55:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6349
04:55:49,459 --> 04:55:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6350
04:55:51,459 --> 04:55:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6351
04:55:53,459 --> 04:55:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6352
04:55:55,459 --> 04:55:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6353
04:55:57,459 --> 04:55:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6354
04:55:59,459 --> 04:56:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6355
04:56:01,459 --> 04:56:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6356
04:56:03,459 --> 04:56:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6357
04:56:05,459 --> 04:56:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6358
04:56:07,459 --> 04:56:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6359
04:56:09,459 --> 04:56:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6360
04:56:11,459 --> 04:56:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6361
04:56:13,459 --> 04:56:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6362
04:56:15,459 --> 04:56:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6363
04:56:17,459 --> 04:56:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6364
04:56:19,459 --> 04:56:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6365
04:56:21,459 --> 04:56:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6366
04:56:23,459 --> 04:56:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6367
04:56:25,459 --> 04:56:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6368
04:56:27,459 --> 04:56:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6369
04:56:29,459 --> 04:56:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6370
04:56:31,459 --> 04:56:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6371
04:56:33,459 --> 04:56:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6372
04:56:35,459 --> 04:56:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6373
04:56:37,459 --> 04:56:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6374
04:56:39,459 --> 04:56:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6375
04:56:41,459 --> 04:56:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6376
04:56:43,459 --> 04:56:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6377
04:56:45,459 --> 04:56:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6378
04:56:47,459 --> 04:56:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6379
04:56:49,459 --> 04:56:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6380
04:56:51,459 --> 04:56:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6381
04:56:53,459 --> 04:56:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6382
04:56:55,459 --> 04:56:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6383
04:56:57,459 --> 04:56:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6384
04:56:59,459 --> 04:57:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6385
04:57:01,459 --> 04:57:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6386
04:57:03,459 --> 04:57:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6387
04:57:05,459 --> 04:57:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6388
04:57:07,459 --> 04:57:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6389
04:57:09,459 --> 04:57:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6390
04:57:11,459 --> 04:57:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6391
04:57:13,459 --> 04:57:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6392
04:57:15,459 --> 04:57:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6393
04:57:17,459 --> 04:57:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6394
04:57:19,459 --> 04:57:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6395
04:57:21,459 --> 04:57:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6396
04:57:23,459 --> 04:57:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6397
04:57:25,459 --> 04:57:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6398
04:57:27,459 --> 04:57:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6399
04:57:29,459 --> 04:57:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6400
04:57:31,459 --> 04:57:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6401
04:57:33,459 --> 04:57:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6402
04:57:35,459 --> 04:57:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6403
04:57:37,459 --> 04:57:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6404
04:57:39,459 --> 04:57:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6405
04:57:41,459 --> 04:57:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6406
04:57:43,459 --> 04:57:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6407
04:57:45,459 --> 04:57:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6408
04:57:47,459 --> 04:57:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6409
04:57:49,459 --> 04:57:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6410
04:57:51,459 --> 04:57:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6411
04:57:53,459 --> 04:57:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6412
04:57:55,459 --> 04:57:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6413
04:57:57,459 --> 04:57:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6414
04:57:59,459 --> 04:58:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6415
04:58:01,459 --> 04:58:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6416
04:58:03,459 --> 04:58:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6417
04:58:05,459 --> 04:58:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6418
04:58:07,459 --> 04:58:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6419
04:58:09,459 --> 04:58:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6420
04:58:11,459 --> 04:58:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6421
04:58:13,459 --> 04:58:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6422
04:58:15,459 --> 04:58:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6423
04:58:17,459 --> 04:58:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6424
04:58:19,459 --> 04:58:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6425
04:58:21,459 --> 04:58:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6426
04:58:23,459 --> 04:58:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6427
04:58:25,459 --> 04:58:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6428
04:58:27,459 --> 04:58:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6429
04:58:29,459 --> 04:58:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6430
04:58:31,459 --> 04:58:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6431
04:58:33,459 --> 04:58:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6432
04:58:35,459 --> 04:58:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6433
04:58:37,459 --> 04:58:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6434
04:58:39,459 --> 04:58:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6435
04:58:41,459 --> 04:58:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6436
04:58:43,459 --> 04:58:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6437
04:58:45,459 --> 04:58:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6438
04:58:47,459 --> 04:58:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6439
04:58:49,459 --> 04:58:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6440
04:58:51,459 --> 04:58:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6441
04:58:53,459 --> 04:58:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6442
04:58:55,459 --> 04:58:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6443
04:58:57,459 --> 04:58:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6444
04:58:59,459 --> 04:59:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6445
04:59:01,459 --> 04:59:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6446
04:59:03,459 --> 04:59:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6447
04:59:05,459 --> 04:59:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6448
04:59:07,459 --> 04:59:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6449
04:59:09,459 --> 04:59:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6450
04:59:11,459 --> 04:59:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6451
04:59:13,459 --> 04:59:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6452
04:59:15,459 --> 04:59:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6453
04:59:17,459 --> 04:59:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6454
04:59:19,459 --> 04:59:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6455
04:59:21,459 --> 04:59:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6456
04:59:23,459 --> 04:59:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6457
04:59:25,459 --> 04:59:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6458
04:59:27,459 --> 04:59:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6459
04:59:29,459 --> 04:59:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6460
04:59:31,459 --> 04:59:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6461
04:59:33,459 --> 04:59:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6462
04:59:35,459 --> 04:59:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6463
04:59:37,459 --> 04:59:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6464
04:59:39,459 --> 04:59:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6465
04:59:41,459 --> 04:59:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6466
04:59:43,459 --> 04:59:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6467
04:59:45,459 --> 04:59:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6468
04:59:47,459 --> 04:59:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6469
04:59:49,459 --> 04:59:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6470
04:59:51,459 --> 04:59:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6471
04:59:53,459 --> 04:59:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6472
04:59:55,459 --> 04:59:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6473
04:59:57,459 --> 04:59:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6474
04:59:59,459 --> 05:00:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6475
05:00:01,459 --> 05:00:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6476
05:00:03,459 --> 05:00:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6477
05:00:05,459 --> 05:00:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6478
05:00:07,459 --> 05:00:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6479
05:00:09,459 --> 05:00:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6480
05:00:11,459 --> 05:00:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6481
05:00:13,459 --> 05:00:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6482
05:00:15,459 --> 05:00:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6483
05:00:17,459 --> 05:00:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6484
05:00:19,459 --> 05:00:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6485
05:00:21,459 --> 05:00:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6486
05:00:23,459 --> 05:00:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6487
05:00:25,459 --> 05:00:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6488
05:00:27,459 --> 05:00:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6489
05:00:29,459 --> 05:00:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6490
05:00:31,459 --> 05:00:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6491
05:00:33,459 --> 05:00:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6492
05:00:35,459 --> 05:00:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6493
05:00:37,459 --> 05:00:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6494
05:00:39,459 --> 05:00:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6495
05:00:41,459 --> 05:00:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6496
05:00:43,459 --> 05:00:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6497
05:00:45,459 --> 05:00:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6498
05:00:47,459 --> 05:00:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6499
05:00:49,459 --> 05:00:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6500
05:00:51,459 --> 05:00:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6501
05:00:53,459 --> 05:00:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6502
05:00:55,459 --> 05:00:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6503
05:00:57,459 --> 05:00:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6504
05:00:59,459 --> 05:01:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6505
05:01:01,459 --> 05:01:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6506
05:01:03,459 --> 05:01:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6507
05:01:05,459 --> 05:01:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6508
05:01:07,459 --> 05:01:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6509
05:01:09,459 --> 05:01:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6510
05:01:11,459 --> 05:01:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6511
05:01:13,459 --> 05:01:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6512
05:01:15,459 --> 05:01:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6513
05:01:17,459 --> 05:01:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6514
05:01:19,459 --> 05:01:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6515
05:01:21,459 --> 05:01:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6516
05:01:23,459 --> 05:01:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6517
05:01:25,459 --> 05:01:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6518
05:01:27,459 --> 05:01:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6519
05:01:29,459 --> 05:01:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6520
05:01:31,459 --> 05:01:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6521
05:01:33,459 --> 05:01:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6522
05:01:35,459 --> 05:01:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6523
05:01:37,459 --> 05:01:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6524
05:01:39,459 --> 05:01:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6525
05:01:41,459 --> 05:01:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6526
05:01:43,459 --> 05:01:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6527
05:01:45,459 --> 05:01:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6528
05:01:47,459 --> 05:01:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6529
05:01:49,459 --> 05:01:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6530
05:01:51,459 --> 05:01:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6531
05:01:53,459 --> 05:01:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6532
05:01:55,459 --> 05:01:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6533
05:01:57,459 --> 05:01:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6534
05:01:59,459 --> 05:02:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6535
05:02:01,459 --> 05:02:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6536
05:02:03,459 --> 05:02:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6537
05:02:05,459 --> 05:02:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6538
05:02:07,459 --> 05:02:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6539
05:02:09,459 --> 05:02:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6540
05:02:11,459 --> 05:02:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6541
05:02:13,459 --> 05:02:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6542
05:02:15,459 --> 05:02:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6543
05:02:17,459 --> 05:02:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6544
05:02:19,459 --> 05:02:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6545
05:02:21,459 --> 05:02:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6546
05:02:23,459 --> 05:02:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6547
05:02:25,459 --> 05:02:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6548
05:02:27,459 --> 05:02:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6549
05:02:29,459 --> 05:02:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6550
05:02:31,459 --> 05:02:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6551
05:02:33,459 --> 05:02:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6552
05:02:35,459 --> 05:02:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6553
05:02:37,459 --> 05:02:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6554
05:02:39,459 --> 05:02:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6555
05:02:41,459 --> 05:02:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6556
05:02:43,459 --> 05:02:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6557
05:02:45,459 --> 05:02:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6558
05:02:47,459 --> 05:02:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6559
05:02:49,459 --> 05:02:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6560
05:02:51,459 --> 05:02:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6561
05:02:53,459 --> 05:02:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6562
05:02:55,459 --> 05:02:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6563
05:02:57,459 --> 05:02:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6564
05:02:59,459 --> 05:03:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6565
05:03:01,459 --> 05:03:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6566
05:03:03,459 --> 05:03:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6567
05:03:05,459 --> 05:03:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6568
05:03:07,459 --> 05:03:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6569
05:03:09,459 --> 05:03:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6570
05:03:11,459 --> 05:03:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6571
05:03:13,459 --> 05:03:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6572
05:03:15,459 --> 05:03:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6573
05:03:17,459 --> 05:03:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6574
05:03:19,459 --> 05:03:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6575
05:03:21,459 --> 05:03:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6576
05:03:23,459 --> 05:03:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6577
05:03:25,459 --> 05:03:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6578
05:03:27,459 --> 05:03:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6579
05:03:29,459 --> 05:03:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6580
05:03:31,459 --> 05:03:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6581
05:03:33,459 --> 05:03:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6582
05:03:35,459 --> 05:03:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6583
05:03:37,459 --> 05:03:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6584
05:03:39,459 --> 05:03:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6585
05:03:41,459 --> 05:03:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6586
05:03:43,459 --> 05:03:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6587
05:03:45,459 --> 05:03:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6588
05:03:47,459 --> 05:03:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6589
05:03:49,459 --> 05:03:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6590
05:03:51,459 --> 05:03:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6591
05:03:53,459 --> 05:03:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6592
05:03:55,459 --> 05:03:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6593
05:03:57,459 --> 05:03:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6594
05:03:59,459 --> 05:04:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6595
05:04:01,459 --> 05:04:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6596
05:04:03,459 --> 05:04:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6597
05:04:05,459 --> 05:04:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6598
05:04:07,459 --> 05:04:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6599
05:04:09,459 --> 05:04:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6600
05:04:11,459 --> 05:04:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6601
05:04:13,459 --> 05:04:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6602
05:04:15,459 --> 05:04:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6603
05:04:17,459 --> 05:04:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6604
05:04:19,459 --> 05:04:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6605
05:04:21,459 --> 05:04:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6606
05:04:23,459 --> 05:04:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6607
05:04:25,459 --> 05:04:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6608
05:04:27,459 --> 05:04:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6609
05:04:29,459 --> 05:04:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6610
05:04:31,459 --> 05:04:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6611
05:04:33,459 --> 05:04:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6612
05:04:35,459 --> 05:04:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6613
05:04:37,459 --> 05:04:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6614
05:04:39,459 --> 05:04:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6615
05:04:41,459 --> 05:04:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6616
05:04:43,459 --> 05:04:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6617
05:04:45,459 --> 05:04:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6618
05:04:47,459 --> 05:04:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6619
05:04:49,459 --> 05:04:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6620
05:04:51,459 --> 05:04:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6621
05:04:53,459 --> 05:04:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6622
05:04:55,459 --> 05:04:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6623
05:04:57,459 --> 05:04:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6624
05:04:59,459 --> 05:05:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6625
05:05:01,459 --> 05:05:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6626
05:05:03,459 --> 05:05:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6627
05:05:05,459 --> 05:05:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6628
05:05:07,459 --> 05:05:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6629
05:05:09,459 --> 05:05:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6630
05:05:11,459 --> 05:05:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6631
05:05:13,459 --> 05:05:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6632
05:05:15,459 --> 05:05:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6633
05:05:17,459 --> 05:05:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6634
05:05:19,459 --> 05:05:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6635
05:05:21,459 --> 05:05:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6636
05:05:23,459 --> 05:05:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6637
05:05:25,459 --> 05:05:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6638
05:05:27,459 --> 05:05:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6639
05:05:29,459 --> 05:05:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6640
05:05:31,459 --> 05:05:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6641
05:05:33,459 --> 05:05:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6642
05:05:35,459 --> 05:05:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6643
05:05:37,459 --> 05:05:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6644
05:05:39,459 --> 05:05:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6645
05:05:41,459 --> 05:05:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6646
05:05:43,459 --> 05:05:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6647
05:05:45,459 --> 05:05:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6648
05:05:47,459 --> 05:05:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6649
05:05:49,459 --> 05:05:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6650
05:05:51,459 --> 05:05:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6651
05:05:53,459 --> 05:05:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6652
05:05:55,459 --> 05:05:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6653
05:05:57,459 --> 05:05:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6654
05:05:59,459 --> 05:06:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6655
05:06:01,459 --> 05:06:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6656
05:06:03,459 --> 05:06:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6657
05:06:05,459 --> 05:06:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6658
05:06:07,459 --> 05:06:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6659
05:06:09,459 --> 05:06:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6660
05:06:11,459 --> 05:06:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6661
05:06:13,459 --> 05:06:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6662
05:06:15,459 --> 05:06:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6663
05:06:17,459 --> 05:06:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6664
05:06:19,459 --> 05:06:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6665
05:06:21,459 --> 05:06:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6666
05:06:23,459 --> 05:06:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6667
05:06:25,459 --> 05:06:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6668
05:06:27,459 --> 05:06:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6669
05:06:29,459 --> 05:06:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6670
05:06:31,459 --> 05:06:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6671
05:06:33,459 --> 05:06:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6672
05:06:35,459 --> 05:06:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6673
05:06:37,459 --> 05:06:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6674
05:06:39,459 --> 05:06:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6675
05:06:41,459 --> 05:06:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6676
05:06:43,459 --> 05:06:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6677
05:06:45,459 --> 05:06:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6678
05:06:47,459 --> 05:06:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6679
05:06:49,459 --> 05:06:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6680
05:06:51,459 --> 05:06:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6681
05:06:53,459 --> 05:06:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6682
05:06:55,459 --> 05:06:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6683
05:06:57,459 --> 05:06:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6684
05:06:59,459 --> 05:07:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6685
05:07:01,459 --> 05:07:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6686
05:07:03,459 --> 05:07:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6687
05:07:05,459 --> 05:07:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6688
05:07:07,459 --> 05:07:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6689
05:07:09,459 --> 05:07:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6690
05:07:11,459 --> 05:07:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6691
05:07:13,459 --> 05:07:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6692
05:07:15,459 --> 05:07:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6693
05:07:17,459 --> 05:07:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6694
05:07:19,459 --> 05:07:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6695
05:07:21,459 --> 05:07:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6696
05:07:23,459 --> 05:07:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6697
05:07:25,459 --> 05:07:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6698
05:07:27,459 --> 05:07:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6699
05:07:29,459 --> 05:07:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6700
05:07:31,459 --> 05:07:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6701
05:07:33,459 --> 05:07:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6702
05:07:35,459 --> 05:07:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6703
05:07:37,459 --> 05:07:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6704
05:07:39,459 --> 05:07:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6705
05:07:41,459 --> 05:07:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6706
05:07:43,459 --> 05:07:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6707
05:07:45,459 --> 05:07:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6708
05:07:47,459 --> 05:07:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6709
05:07:49,459 --> 05:07:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6710
05:07:51,459 --> 05:07:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6711
05:07:53,459 --> 05:07:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6712
05:07:55,459 --> 05:07:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6713
05:07:57,459 --> 05:07:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6714
05:07:59,459 --> 05:08:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6715
05:08:01,459 --> 05:08:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6716
05:08:03,459 --> 05:08:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6717
05:08:05,459 --> 05:08:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6718
05:08:07,459 --> 05:08:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6719
05:08:09,459 --> 05:08:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6720
05:08:11,459 --> 05:08:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6721
05:08:13,459 --> 05:08:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6722
05:08:15,459 --> 05:08:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6723
05:08:17,459 --> 05:08:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6724
05:08:19,459 --> 05:08:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6725
05:08:21,459 --> 05:08:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6726
05:08:23,459 --> 05:08:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6727
05:08:25,459 --> 05:08:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6728
05:08:27,459 --> 05:08:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6729
05:08:29,459 --> 05:08:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6730
05:08:31,459 --> 05:08:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6731
05:08:33,459 --> 05:08:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6732
05:08:35,459 --> 05:08:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6733
05:08:37,459 --> 05:08:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6734
05:08:39,459 --> 05:08:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6735
05:08:41,459 --> 05:08:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6736
05:08:43,459 --> 05:08:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6737
05:08:45,459 --> 05:08:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6738
05:08:47,459 --> 05:08:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6739
05:08:49,459 --> 05:08:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6740
05:08:51,459 --> 05:08:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6741
05:08:53,459 --> 05:08:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6742
05:08:55,459 --> 05:08:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6743
05:08:57,459 --> 05:08:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6744
05:08:59,459 --> 05:09:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6745
05:09:01,459 --> 05:09:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6746
05:09:03,459 --> 05:09:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6747
05:09:05,459 --> 05:09:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6748
05:09:07,459 --> 05:09:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6749
05:09:09,459 --> 05:09:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6750
05:09:11,459 --> 05:09:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6751
05:09:13,459 --> 05:09:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6752
05:09:15,459 --> 05:09:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6753
05:09:17,459 --> 05:09:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6754
05:09:19,459 --> 05:09:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6755
05:09:21,459 --> 05:09:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6756
05:09:23,459 --> 05:09:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6757
05:09:25,459 --> 05:09:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6758
05:09:27,459 --> 05:09:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6759
05:09:29,459 --> 05:09:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6760
05:09:31,459 --> 05:09:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6761
05:09:33,459 --> 05:09:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6762
05:09:35,459 --> 05:09:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6763
05:09:37,459 --> 05:09:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6764
05:09:39,459 --> 05:09:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6765
05:09:41,459 --> 05:09:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6766
05:09:43,459 --> 05:09:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6767
05:09:45,459 --> 05:09:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6768
05:09:47,459 --> 05:09:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6769
05:09:49,459 --> 05:09:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6770
05:09:51,459 --> 05:09:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6771
05:09:53,459 --> 05:09:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6772
05:09:55,459 --> 05:09:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6773
05:09:57,459 --> 05:09:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6774
05:09:59,459 --> 05:10:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6775
05:10:01,459 --> 05:10:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6776
05:10:03,459 --> 05:10:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6777
05:10:05,459 --> 05:10:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6778
05:10:07,459 --> 05:10:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6779
05:10:09,459 --> 05:10:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6780
05:10:11,459 --> 05:10:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6781
05:10:13,459 --> 05:10:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6782
05:10:15,459 --> 05:10:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6783
05:10:17,459 --> 05:10:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6784
05:10:19,459 --> 05:10:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6785
05:10:21,459 --> 05:10:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6786
05:10:23,459 --> 05:10:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6787
05:10:25,459 --> 05:10:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6788
05:10:27,459 --> 05:10:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6789
05:10:29,459 --> 05:10:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6790
05:10:31,459 --> 05:10:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6791
05:10:33,459 --> 05:10:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6792
05:10:35,459 --> 05:10:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6793
05:10:37,459 --> 05:10:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6794
05:10:39,459 --> 05:10:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6795
05:10:41,459 --> 05:10:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6796
05:10:43,459 --> 05:10:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6797
05:10:45,459 --> 05:10:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6798
05:10:47,459 --> 05:10:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6799
05:10:49,459 --> 05:10:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6800
05:10:51,459 --> 05:10:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6801
05:10:53,459 --> 05:10:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6802
05:10:55,459 --> 05:10:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6803
05:10:57,459 --> 05:10:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6804
05:10:59,459 --> 05:11:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6805
05:11:01,459 --> 05:11:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6806
05:11:03,459 --> 05:11:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6807
05:11:05,459 --> 05:11:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6808
05:11:07,459 --> 05:11:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6809
05:11:09,459 --> 05:11:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6810
05:11:11,459 --> 05:11:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6811
05:11:13,459 --> 05:11:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6812
05:11:15,459 --> 05:11:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6813
05:11:17,459 --> 05:11:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6814
05:11:19,459 --> 05:11:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6815
05:11:21,459 --> 05:11:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6816
05:11:23,459 --> 05:11:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6817
05:11:25,459 --> 05:11:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6818
05:11:27,459 --> 05:11:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6819
05:11:29,459 --> 05:11:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6820
05:11:31,459 --> 05:11:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6821
05:11:33,459 --> 05:11:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6822
05:11:35,459 --> 05:11:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6823
05:11:37,459 --> 05:11:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6824
05:11:39,459 --> 05:11:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6825
05:11:41,459 --> 05:11:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6826
05:11:43,459 --> 05:11:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6827
05:11:45,459 --> 05:11:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6828
05:11:47,459 --> 05:11:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6829
05:11:49,459 --> 05:11:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6830
05:11:51,459 --> 05:11:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6831
05:11:53,459 --> 05:11:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6832
05:11:55,459 --> 05:11:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6833
05:11:57,459 --> 05:11:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6834
05:11:59,459 --> 05:12:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6835
05:12:01,459 --> 05:12:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6836
05:12:03,459 --> 05:12:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6837
05:12:05,459 --> 05:12:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6838
05:12:07,459 --> 05:12:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6839
05:12:09,459 --> 05:12:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6840
05:12:11,459 --> 05:12:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6841
05:12:13,459 --> 05:12:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6842
05:12:15,459 --> 05:12:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6843
05:12:17,459 --> 05:12:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6844
05:12:19,459 --> 05:12:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6845
05:12:21,459 --> 05:12:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6846
05:12:23,459 --> 05:12:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6847
05:12:25,459 --> 05:12:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6848
05:12:27,459 --> 05:12:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6849
05:12:29,459 --> 05:12:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6850
05:12:31,459 --> 05:12:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6851
05:12:33,459 --> 05:12:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6852
05:12:35,459 --> 05:12:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6853
05:12:37,459 --> 05:12:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6854
05:12:39,459 --> 05:12:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6855
05:12:41,459 --> 05:12:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6856
05:12:43,459 --> 05:12:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6857
05:12:45,459 --> 05:12:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6858
05:12:47,459 --> 05:12:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6859
05:12:49,459 --> 05:12:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6860
05:12:51,459 --> 05:12:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6861
05:12:53,459 --> 05:12:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6862
05:12:55,459 --> 05:12:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6863
05:12:57,459 --> 05:12:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6864
05:12:59,459 --> 05:13:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6865
05:13:01,459 --> 05:13:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6866
05:13:03,459 --> 05:13:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6867
05:13:05,459 --> 05:13:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6868
05:13:07,459 --> 05:13:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6869
05:13:09,459 --> 05:13:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6870
05:13:11,459 --> 05:13:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6871
05:13:13,459 --> 05:13:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6872
05:13:15,459 --> 05:13:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6873
05:13:17,459 --> 05:13:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6874
05:13:19,459 --> 05:13:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6875
05:13:21,459 --> 05:13:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6876
05:13:23,459 --> 05:13:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6877
05:13:25,459 --> 05:13:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6878
05:13:27,459 --> 05:13:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6879
05:13:29,459 --> 05:13:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6880
05:13:31,459 --> 05:13:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6881
05:13:33,459 --> 05:13:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6882
05:13:35,459 --> 05:13:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6883
05:13:37,459 --> 05:13:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6884
05:13:39,459 --> 05:13:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6885
05:13:41,459 --> 05:13:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6886
05:13:43,459 --> 05:13:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6887
05:13:45,459 --> 05:13:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6888
05:13:47,459 --> 05:13:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6889
05:13:49,459 --> 05:13:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6890
05:13:51,459 --> 05:13:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6891
05:13:53,459 --> 05:13:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6892
05:13:55,459 --> 05:13:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6893
05:13:57,459 --> 05:13:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6894
05:13:59,459 --> 05:14:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6895
05:14:01,459 --> 05:14:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6896
05:14:03,459 --> 05:14:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6897
05:14:05,459 --> 05:14:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6898
05:14:07,459 --> 05:14:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6899
05:14:09,459 --> 05:14:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6900
05:14:11,459 --> 05:14:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6901
05:14:13,459 --> 05:14:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6902
05:14:15,459 --> 05:14:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6903
05:14:17,459 --> 05:14:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6904
05:14:19,459 --> 05:14:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6905
05:14:21,459 --> 05:14:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6906
05:14:23,459 --> 05:14:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6907
05:14:25,459 --> 05:14:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6908
05:14:27,459 --> 05:14:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6909
05:14:29,459 --> 05:14:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6910
05:14:31,459 --> 05:14:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6911
05:14:33,459 --> 05:14:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6912
05:14:35,459 --> 05:14:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6913
05:14:37,459 --> 05:14:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6914
05:14:39,459 --> 05:14:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6915
05:14:41,459 --> 05:14:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6916
05:14:43,459 --> 05:14:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6917
05:14:45,459 --> 05:14:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6918
05:14:47,459 --> 05:14:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6919
05:14:49,459 --> 05:14:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6920
05:14:51,459 --> 05:14:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6921
05:14:53,459 --> 05:14:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6922
05:14:55,459 --> 05:14:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6923
05:14:57,459 --> 05:14:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6924
05:14:59,459 --> 05:15:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6925
05:15:01,459 --> 05:15:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6926
05:15:03,459 --> 05:15:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6927
05:15:05,459 --> 05:15:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6928
05:15:07,459 --> 05:15:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6929
05:15:09,459 --> 05:15:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6930
05:15:11,459 --> 05:15:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6931
05:15:13,459 --> 05:15:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6932
05:15:15,459 --> 05:15:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6933
05:15:17,459 --> 05:15:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6934
05:15:19,459 --> 05:15:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6935
05:15:21,459 --> 05:15:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6936
05:15:23,459 --> 05:15:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6937
05:15:25,459 --> 05:15:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6938
05:15:27,459 --> 05:15:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6939
05:15:29,459 --> 05:15:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6940
05:15:31,459 --> 05:15:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6941
05:15:33,459 --> 05:15:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6942
05:15:35,459 --> 05:15:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6943
05:15:37,459 --> 05:15:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6944
05:15:39,459 --> 05:15:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6945
05:15:41,459 --> 05:15:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6946
05:15:43,459 --> 05:15:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6947
05:15:45,459 --> 05:15:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6948
05:15:47,459 --> 05:15:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6949
05:15:49,459 --> 05:15:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6950
05:15:51,459 --> 05:15:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6951
05:15:53,459 --> 05:15:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6952
05:15:55,459 --> 05:15:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6953
05:15:57,459 --> 05:15:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6954
05:15:59,459 --> 05:16:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6955
05:16:01,459 --> 05:16:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6956
05:16:03,459 --> 05:16:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6957
05:16:05,459 --> 05:16:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6958
05:16:07,459 --> 05:16:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6959
05:16:09,459 --> 05:16:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6960
05:16:11,459 --> 05:16:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6961
05:16:13,459 --> 05:16:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6962
05:16:15,459 --> 05:16:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6963
05:16:17,459 --> 05:16:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6964
05:16:19,459 --> 05:16:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6965
05:16:21,459 --> 05:16:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6966
05:16:23,459 --> 05:16:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6967
05:16:25,459 --> 05:16:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6968
05:16:27,459 --> 05:16:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6969
05:16:29,459 --> 05:16:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6970
05:16:31,459 --> 05:16:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6971
05:16:33,459 --> 05:16:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6972
05:16:35,459 --> 05:16:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6973
05:16:37,459 --> 05:16:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6974
05:16:39,459 --> 05:16:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6975
05:16:41,459 --> 05:16:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6976
05:16:43,459 --> 05:16:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6977
05:16:45,459 --> 05:16:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6978
05:16:47,459 --> 05:16:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6979
05:16:49,459 --> 05:16:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6980
05:16:51,459 --> 05:16:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6981
05:16:53,459 --> 05:16:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6982
05:16:55,459 --> 05:16:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6983
05:16:57,459 --> 05:16:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6984
05:16:59,459 --> 05:17:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6985
05:17:01,459 --> 05:17:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6986
05:17:03,459 --> 05:17:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6987
05:17:05,459 --> 05:17:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6988
05:17:07,459 --> 05:17:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6989
05:17:09,459 --> 05:17:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6990
05:17:11,459 --> 05:17:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6991
05:17:13,459 --> 05:17:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6992
05:17:15,459 --> 05:17:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6993
05:17:17,459 --> 05:17:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6994
05:17:19,459 --> 05:17:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6995
05:17:21,459 --> 05:17:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6996
05:17:23,459 --> 05:17:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6997
05:17:25,459 --> 05:17:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6998
05:17:27,459 --> 05:17:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

6999
05:17:29,459 --> 05:17:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7000
05:17:31,459 --> 05:17:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7001
05:17:33,459 --> 05:17:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7002
05:17:35,459 --> 05:17:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7003
05:17:37,459 --> 05:17:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7004
05:17:39,459 --> 05:17:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7005
05:17:41,459 --> 05:17:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7006
05:17:43,459 --> 05:17:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7007
05:17:45,459 --> 05:17:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7008
05:17:47,459 --> 05:17:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7009
05:17:49,459 --> 05:17:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7010
05:17:51,459 --> 05:17:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7011
05:17:53,459 --> 05:17:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7012
05:17:55,459 --> 05:17:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7013
05:17:57,459 --> 05:17:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7014
05:17:59,459 --> 05:18:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7015
05:18:01,459 --> 05:18:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7016
05:18:03,459 --> 05:18:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7017
05:18:05,459 --> 05:18:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7018
05:18:07,459 --> 05:18:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7019
05:18:09,459 --> 05:18:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7020
05:18:11,459 --> 05:18:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7021
05:18:13,459 --> 05:18:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7022
05:18:15,459 --> 05:18:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7023
05:18:17,459 --> 05:18:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7024
05:18:19,459 --> 05:18:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7025
05:18:21,459 --> 05:18:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7026
05:18:23,459 --> 05:18:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7027
05:18:25,459 --> 05:18:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7028
05:18:27,459 --> 05:18:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7029
05:18:29,459 --> 05:18:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7030
05:18:31,459 --> 05:18:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7031
05:18:33,459 --> 05:18:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7032
05:18:35,459 --> 05:18:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7033
05:18:37,459 --> 05:18:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7034
05:18:39,459 --> 05:18:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7035
05:18:41,459 --> 05:18:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7036
05:18:43,459 --> 05:18:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7037
05:18:45,459 --> 05:18:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7038
05:18:47,459 --> 05:18:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7039
05:18:49,459 --> 05:18:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7040
05:18:51,459 --> 05:18:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7041
05:18:53,459 --> 05:18:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7042
05:18:55,459 --> 05:18:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7043
05:18:57,459 --> 05:18:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7044
05:18:59,459 --> 05:19:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7045
05:19:01,459 --> 05:19:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7046
05:19:03,459 --> 05:19:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7047
05:19:05,459 --> 05:19:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7048
05:19:07,459 --> 05:19:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7049
05:19:09,459 --> 05:19:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7050
05:19:11,459 --> 05:19:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7051
05:19:13,459 --> 05:19:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7052
05:19:15,459 --> 05:19:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7053
05:19:17,459 --> 05:19:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7054
05:19:19,459 --> 05:19:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7055
05:19:21,459 --> 05:19:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7056
05:19:23,459 --> 05:19:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7057
05:19:25,459 --> 05:19:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7058
05:19:27,459 --> 05:19:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7059
05:19:29,459 --> 05:19:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7060
05:19:31,459 --> 05:19:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7061
05:19:33,459 --> 05:19:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7062
05:19:35,459 --> 05:19:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7063
05:19:37,459 --> 05:19:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7064
05:19:39,459 --> 05:19:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7065
05:19:41,459 --> 05:19:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7066
05:19:43,459 --> 05:19:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7067
05:19:45,459 --> 05:19:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7068
05:19:47,459 --> 05:19:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7069
05:19:49,459 --> 05:19:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7070
05:19:51,459 --> 05:19:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7071
05:19:53,459 --> 05:19:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7072
05:19:55,459 --> 05:19:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7073
05:19:57,459 --> 05:19:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7074
05:19:59,459 --> 05:20:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7075
05:20:01,459 --> 05:20:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7076
05:20:03,459 --> 05:20:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7077
05:20:05,459 --> 05:20:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7078
05:20:07,459 --> 05:20:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7079
05:20:09,459 --> 05:20:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7080
05:20:11,459 --> 05:20:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7081
05:20:13,459 --> 05:20:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7082
05:20:15,459 --> 05:20:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7083
05:20:17,459 --> 05:20:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7084
05:20:19,459 --> 05:20:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7085
05:20:21,459 --> 05:20:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7086
05:20:23,459 --> 05:20:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7087
05:20:25,459 --> 05:20:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7088
05:20:27,459 --> 05:20:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7089
05:20:29,459 --> 05:20:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7090
05:20:31,459 --> 05:20:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7091
05:20:33,459 --> 05:20:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7092
05:20:35,459 --> 05:20:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7093
05:20:37,459 --> 05:20:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7094
05:20:39,459 --> 05:20:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7095
05:20:41,459 --> 05:20:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7096
05:20:43,459 --> 05:20:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7097
05:20:45,459 --> 05:20:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7098
05:20:47,459 --> 05:20:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7099
05:20:49,459 --> 05:20:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7100
05:20:51,459 --> 05:20:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7101
05:20:53,459 --> 05:20:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7102
05:20:55,459 --> 05:20:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7103
05:20:57,459 --> 05:20:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7104
05:20:59,459 --> 05:21:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7105
05:21:01,459 --> 05:21:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7106
05:21:03,459 --> 05:21:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7107
05:21:05,459 --> 05:21:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7108
05:21:07,459 --> 05:21:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7109
05:21:09,459 --> 05:21:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7110
05:21:11,459 --> 05:21:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7111
05:21:13,459 --> 05:21:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7112
05:21:15,459 --> 05:21:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7113
05:21:17,459 --> 05:21:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7114
05:21:19,459 --> 05:21:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7115
05:21:21,459 --> 05:21:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7116
05:21:23,459 --> 05:21:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7117
05:21:25,459 --> 05:21:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7118
05:21:27,459 --> 05:21:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7119
05:21:29,459 --> 05:21:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7120
05:21:31,459 --> 05:21:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7121
05:21:33,459 --> 05:21:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7122
05:21:35,459 --> 05:21:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7123
05:21:37,459 --> 05:21:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7124
05:21:39,459 --> 05:21:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7125
05:21:41,459 --> 05:21:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7126
05:21:43,459 --> 05:21:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7127
05:21:45,459 --> 05:21:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7128
05:21:47,459 --> 05:21:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7129
05:21:49,459 --> 05:21:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7130
05:21:51,459 --> 05:21:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7131
05:21:53,459 --> 05:21:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7132
05:21:55,459 --> 05:21:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7133
05:21:57,459 --> 05:21:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7134
05:21:59,459 --> 05:22:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7135
05:22:01,459 --> 05:22:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7136
05:22:03,459 --> 05:22:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7137
05:22:05,459 --> 05:22:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7138
05:22:07,459 --> 05:22:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7139
05:22:09,459 --> 05:22:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7140
05:22:11,459 --> 05:22:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7141
05:22:13,459 --> 05:22:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7142
05:22:15,459 --> 05:22:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7143
05:22:17,459 --> 05:22:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7144
05:22:19,459 --> 05:22:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7145
05:22:21,459 --> 05:22:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7146
05:22:23,459 --> 05:22:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7147
05:22:25,459 --> 05:22:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7148
05:22:27,459 --> 05:22:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7149
05:22:29,459 --> 05:22:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7150
05:22:31,459 --> 05:22:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7151
05:22:33,459 --> 05:22:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7152
05:22:35,459 --> 05:22:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7153
05:22:37,459 --> 05:22:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7154
05:22:39,459 --> 05:22:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7155
05:22:41,459 --> 05:22:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7156
05:22:43,459 --> 05:22:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7157
05:22:45,459 --> 05:22:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7158
05:22:47,459 --> 05:22:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7159
05:22:49,459 --> 05:22:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7160
05:22:51,459 --> 05:22:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7161
05:22:53,459 --> 05:22:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7162
05:22:55,459 --> 05:22:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7163
05:22:57,459 --> 05:22:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7164
05:22:59,459 --> 05:23:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7165
05:23:01,459 --> 05:23:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7166
05:23:03,459 --> 05:23:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7167
05:23:05,459 --> 05:23:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7168
05:23:07,459 --> 05:23:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7169
05:23:09,459 --> 05:23:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7170
05:23:11,459 --> 05:23:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7171
05:23:13,459 --> 05:23:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7172
05:23:15,459 --> 05:23:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7173
05:23:17,459 --> 05:23:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7174
05:23:19,459 --> 05:23:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7175
05:23:21,459 --> 05:23:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7176
05:23:23,459 --> 05:23:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7177
05:23:25,459 --> 05:23:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7178
05:23:27,459 --> 05:23:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7179
05:23:29,459 --> 05:23:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7180
05:23:31,459 --> 05:23:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7181
05:23:33,459 --> 05:23:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7182
05:23:35,459 --> 05:23:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7183
05:23:37,459 --> 05:23:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7184
05:23:39,459 --> 05:23:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7185
05:23:41,459 --> 05:23:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7186
05:23:43,459 --> 05:23:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7187
05:23:45,459 --> 05:23:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7188
05:23:47,459 --> 05:23:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7189
05:23:49,459 --> 05:23:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7190
05:23:51,459 --> 05:23:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7191
05:23:53,459 --> 05:23:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7192
05:23:55,459 --> 05:23:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7193
05:23:57,459 --> 05:23:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7194
05:23:59,459 --> 05:24:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7195
05:24:01,459 --> 05:24:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7196
05:24:03,459 --> 05:24:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7197
05:24:05,459 --> 05:24:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7198
05:24:07,459 --> 05:24:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7199
05:24:09,459 --> 05:24:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7200
05:24:11,459 --> 05:24:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7201
05:24:13,459 --> 05:24:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7202
05:24:15,459 --> 05:24:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7203
05:24:17,459 --> 05:24:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7204
05:24:19,459 --> 05:24:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7205
05:24:21,459 --> 05:24:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7206
05:24:23,459 --> 05:24:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7207
05:24:25,459 --> 05:24:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7208
05:24:27,459 --> 05:24:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7209
05:24:29,459 --> 05:24:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7210
05:24:31,459 --> 05:24:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7211
05:24:33,459 --> 05:24:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7212
05:24:35,459 --> 05:24:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7213
05:24:37,459 --> 05:24:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7214
05:24:39,459 --> 05:24:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7215
05:24:41,459 --> 05:24:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7216
05:24:43,459 --> 05:24:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7217
05:24:45,459 --> 05:24:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7218
05:24:47,459 --> 05:24:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7219
05:24:49,459 --> 05:24:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7220
05:24:51,459 --> 05:24:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7221
05:24:53,459 --> 05:24:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7222
05:24:55,459 --> 05:24:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7223
05:24:57,459 --> 05:24:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7224
05:24:59,459 --> 05:25:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7225
05:25:01,459 --> 05:25:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7226
05:25:03,459 --> 05:25:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7227
05:25:05,459 --> 05:25:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7228
05:25:07,459 --> 05:25:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7229
05:25:09,459 --> 05:25:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7230
05:25:11,459 --> 05:25:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7231
05:25:13,459 --> 05:25:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7232
05:25:15,459 --> 05:25:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7233
05:25:17,459 --> 05:25:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7234
05:25:19,459 --> 05:25:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7235
05:25:21,459 --> 05:25:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7236
05:25:23,459 --> 05:25:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7237
05:25:25,459 --> 05:25:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7238
05:25:27,459 --> 05:25:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7239
05:25:29,459 --> 05:25:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7240
05:25:31,459 --> 05:25:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7241
05:25:33,459 --> 05:25:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7242
05:25:35,459 --> 05:25:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7243
05:25:37,459 --> 05:25:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7244
05:25:39,459 --> 05:25:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7245
05:25:41,459 --> 05:25:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7246
05:25:43,459 --> 05:25:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7247
05:25:45,459 --> 05:25:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7248
05:25:47,459 --> 05:25:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7249
05:25:49,459 --> 05:25:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7250
05:25:51,459 --> 05:25:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7251
05:25:53,459 --> 05:25:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7252
05:25:55,459 --> 05:25:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7253
05:25:57,459 --> 05:25:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7254
05:25:59,459 --> 05:26:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7255
05:26:01,459 --> 05:26:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7256
05:26:03,459 --> 05:26:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7257
05:26:05,459 --> 05:26:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7258
05:26:07,459 --> 05:26:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7259
05:26:09,459 --> 05:26:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7260
05:26:11,459 --> 05:26:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7261
05:26:13,459 --> 05:26:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7262
05:26:15,459 --> 05:26:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7263
05:26:17,459 --> 05:26:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7264
05:26:19,459 --> 05:26:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7265
05:26:21,459 --> 05:26:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7266
05:26:23,459 --> 05:26:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7267
05:26:25,459 --> 05:26:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7268
05:26:27,459 --> 05:26:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7269
05:26:29,459 --> 05:26:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7270
05:26:31,459 --> 05:26:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7271
05:26:33,459 --> 05:26:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7272
05:26:35,459 --> 05:26:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7273
05:26:37,459 --> 05:26:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7274
05:26:39,459 --> 05:26:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7275
05:26:41,459 --> 05:26:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7276
05:26:43,459 --> 05:26:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7277
05:26:45,459 --> 05:26:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7278
05:26:47,459 --> 05:26:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7279
05:26:49,459 --> 05:26:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7280
05:26:51,459 --> 05:26:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7281
05:26:53,459 --> 05:26:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7282
05:26:55,459 --> 05:26:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7283
05:26:57,459 --> 05:26:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7284
05:26:59,459 --> 05:27:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7285
05:27:01,459 --> 05:27:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7286
05:27:03,459 --> 05:27:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7287
05:27:05,459 --> 05:27:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7288
05:27:07,459 --> 05:27:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7289
05:27:09,459 --> 05:27:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7290
05:27:11,459 --> 05:27:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7291
05:27:13,459 --> 05:27:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7292
05:27:15,459 --> 05:27:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7293
05:27:17,459 --> 05:27:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7294
05:27:19,459 --> 05:27:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7295
05:27:21,459 --> 05:27:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7296
05:27:23,459 --> 05:27:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7297
05:27:25,459 --> 05:27:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7298
05:27:27,459 --> 05:27:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7299
05:27:29,459 --> 05:27:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7300
05:27:31,459 --> 05:27:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7301
05:27:33,459 --> 05:27:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7302
05:27:35,459 --> 05:27:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7303
05:27:37,459 --> 05:27:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7304
05:27:39,459 --> 05:27:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7305
05:27:41,459 --> 05:27:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7306
05:27:43,459 --> 05:27:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7307
05:27:45,459 --> 05:27:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7308
05:27:47,459 --> 05:27:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7309
05:27:49,459 --> 05:27:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7310
05:27:51,459 --> 05:27:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7311
05:27:53,459 --> 05:27:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7312
05:27:55,459 --> 05:27:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7313
05:27:57,459 --> 05:27:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7314
05:27:59,459 --> 05:28:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7315
05:28:01,459 --> 05:28:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7316
05:28:03,459 --> 05:28:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7317
05:28:05,459 --> 05:28:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7318
05:28:07,459 --> 05:28:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7319
05:28:09,459 --> 05:28:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7320
05:28:11,459 --> 05:28:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7321
05:28:13,459 --> 05:28:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7322
05:28:15,459 --> 05:28:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7323
05:28:17,459 --> 05:28:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7324
05:28:19,459 --> 05:28:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7325
05:28:21,459 --> 05:28:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7326
05:28:23,459 --> 05:28:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7327
05:28:25,459 --> 05:28:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7328
05:28:27,459 --> 05:28:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7329
05:28:29,459 --> 05:28:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7330
05:28:31,459 --> 05:28:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7331
05:28:33,459 --> 05:28:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7332
05:28:35,459 --> 05:28:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7333
05:28:37,459 --> 05:28:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7334
05:28:39,459 --> 05:28:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7335
05:28:41,459 --> 05:28:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7336
05:28:43,459 --> 05:28:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7337
05:28:45,459 --> 05:28:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7338
05:28:47,459 --> 05:28:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7339
05:28:49,459 --> 05:28:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7340
05:28:51,459 --> 05:28:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7341
05:28:53,459 --> 05:28:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7342
05:28:55,459 --> 05:28:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7343
05:28:57,459 --> 05:28:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7344
05:28:59,459 --> 05:29:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7345
05:29:01,459 --> 05:29:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7346
05:29:03,459 --> 05:29:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7347
05:29:05,459 --> 05:29:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7348
05:29:07,459 --> 05:29:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7349
05:29:09,459 --> 05:29:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7350
05:29:11,459 --> 05:29:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7351
05:29:13,459 --> 05:29:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7352
05:29:15,459 --> 05:29:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7353
05:29:17,459 --> 05:29:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7354
05:29:19,459 --> 05:29:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7355
05:29:21,459 --> 05:29:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7356
05:29:23,459 --> 05:29:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7357
05:29:25,459 --> 05:29:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7358
05:29:27,459 --> 05:29:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7359
05:29:29,459 --> 05:29:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7360
05:29:31,459 --> 05:29:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7361
05:29:33,459 --> 05:29:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7362
05:29:35,459 --> 05:29:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7363
05:29:37,459 --> 05:29:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7364
05:29:39,459 --> 05:29:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7365
05:29:41,459 --> 05:29:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7366
05:29:43,459 --> 05:29:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7367
05:29:45,459 --> 05:29:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7368
05:29:47,459 --> 05:29:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7369
05:29:49,459 --> 05:29:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7370
05:29:51,459 --> 05:29:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7371
05:29:53,459 --> 05:29:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7372
05:29:55,459 --> 05:29:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7373
05:29:57,459 --> 05:29:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7374
05:29:59,459 --> 05:30:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7375
05:30:01,459 --> 05:30:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7376
05:30:03,459 --> 05:30:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7377
05:30:05,459 --> 05:30:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7378
05:30:07,459 --> 05:30:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7379
05:30:09,459 --> 05:30:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7380
05:30:11,459 --> 05:30:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7381
05:30:13,459 --> 05:30:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7382
05:30:15,459 --> 05:30:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7383
05:30:17,459 --> 05:30:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7384
05:30:19,459 --> 05:30:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7385
05:30:21,459 --> 05:30:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7386
05:30:23,459 --> 05:30:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7387
05:30:25,459 --> 05:30:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7388
05:30:27,459 --> 05:30:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7389
05:30:29,459 --> 05:30:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7390
05:30:31,459 --> 05:30:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7391
05:30:33,459 --> 05:30:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7392
05:30:35,459 --> 05:30:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7393
05:30:37,459 --> 05:30:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7394
05:30:39,459 --> 05:30:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7395
05:30:41,459 --> 05:30:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7396
05:30:43,459 --> 05:30:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7397
05:30:45,459 --> 05:30:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7398
05:30:47,459 --> 05:30:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7399
05:30:49,459 --> 05:30:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7400
05:30:51,459 --> 05:30:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7401
05:30:53,459 --> 05:30:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7402
05:30:55,459 --> 05:30:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7403
05:30:57,459 --> 05:30:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7404
05:30:59,459 --> 05:31:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7405
05:31:01,459 --> 05:31:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7406
05:31:03,459 --> 05:31:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7407
05:31:05,459 --> 05:31:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7408
05:31:07,459 --> 05:31:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7409
05:31:09,459 --> 05:31:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7410
05:31:11,459 --> 05:31:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7411
05:31:13,459 --> 05:31:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7412
05:31:15,459 --> 05:31:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7413
05:31:17,459 --> 05:31:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7414
05:31:19,459 --> 05:31:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7415
05:31:21,459 --> 05:31:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7416
05:31:23,459 --> 05:31:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7417
05:31:25,459 --> 05:31:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7418
05:31:27,459 --> 05:31:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7419
05:31:29,459 --> 05:31:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7420
05:31:31,459 --> 05:31:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7421
05:31:33,459 --> 05:31:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7422
05:31:35,459 --> 05:31:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7423
05:31:37,459 --> 05:31:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7424
05:31:39,459 --> 05:31:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7425
05:31:41,459 --> 05:31:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7426
05:31:43,459 --> 05:31:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7427
05:31:45,459 --> 05:31:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7428
05:31:47,459 --> 05:31:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7429
05:31:49,459 --> 05:31:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7430
05:31:51,459 --> 05:31:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7431
05:31:53,459 --> 05:31:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7432
05:31:55,459 --> 05:31:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7433
05:31:57,459 --> 05:31:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7434
05:31:59,459 --> 05:32:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7435
05:32:01,459 --> 05:32:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7436
05:32:03,459 --> 05:32:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7437
05:32:05,459 --> 05:32:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7438
05:32:07,459 --> 05:32:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7439
05:32:09,459 --> 05:32:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7440
05:32:11,459 --> 05:32:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7441
05:32:13,459 --> 05:32:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7442
05:32:15,459 --> 05:32:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7443
05:32:17,459 --> 05:32:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7444
05:32:19,459 --> 05:32:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7445
05:32:21,459 --> 05:32:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7446
05:32:23,459 --> 05:32:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7447
05:32:25,459 --> 05:32:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7448
05:32:27,459 --> 05:32:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7449
05:32:29,459 --> 05:32:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7450
05:32:31,459 --> 05:32:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7451
05:32:33,459 --> 05:32:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7452
05:32:35,459 --> 05:32:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7453
05:32:37,459 --> 05:32:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7454
05:32:39,459 --> 05:32:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7455
05:32:41,459 --> 05:32:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7456
05:32:43,459 --> 05:32:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7457
05:32:45,459 --> 05:32:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7458
05:32:47,459 --> 05:32:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7459
05:32:49,459 --> 05:32:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7460
05:32:51,459 --> 05:32:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7461
05:32:53,459 --> 05:32:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7462
05:32:55,459 --> 05:32:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7463
05:32:57,459 --> 05:32:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7464
05:32:59,459 --> 05:33:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7465
05:33:01,459 --> 05:33:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7466
05:33:03,459 --> 05:33:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7467
05:33:05,459 --> 05:33:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7468
05:33:07,459 --> 05:33:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7469
05:33:09,459 --> 05:33:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7470
05:33:11,459 --> 05:33:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7471
05:33:13,459 --> 05:33:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7472
05:33:15,459 --> 05:33:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7473
05:33:17,459 --> 05:33:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7474
05:33:19,459 --> 05:33:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7475
05:33:21,459 --> 05:33:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7476
05:33:23,459 --> 05:33:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7477
05:33:25,459 --> 05:33:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7478
05:33:27,459 --> 05:33:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7479
05:33:29,459 --> 05:33:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7480
05:33:31,459 --> 05:33:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7481
05:33:33,459 --> 05:33:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7482
05:33:35,459 --> 05:33:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7483
05:33:37,459 --> 05:33:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7484
05:33:39,459 --> 05:33:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7485
05:33:41,459 --> 05:33:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7486
05:33:43,459 --> 05:33:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7487
05:33:45,459 --> 05:33:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7488
05:33:47,459 --> 05:33:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7489
05:33:49,459 --> 05:33:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7490
05:33:51,459 --> 05:33:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7491
05:33:53,459 --> 05:33:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7492
05:33:55,459 --> 05:33:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7493
05:33:57,459 --> 05:33:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7494
05:33:59,459 --> 05:34:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7495
05:34:01,459 --> 05:34:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7496
05:34:03,459 --> 05:34:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7497
05:34:05,459 --> 05:34:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7498
05:34:07,459 --> 05:34:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7499
05:34:09,459 --> 05:34:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7500
05:34:11,459 --> 05:34:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7501
05:34:13,459 --> 05:34:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7502
05:34:15,459 --> 05:34:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7503
05:34:17,459 --> 05:34:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7504
05:34:19,459 --> 05:34:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7505
05:34:21,459 --> 05:34:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7506
05:34:23,459 --> 05:34:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7507
05:34:25,459 --> 05:34:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7508
05:34:27,459 --> 05:34:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7509
05:34:29,459 --> 05:34:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7510
05:34:31,459 --> 05:34:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7511
05:34:33,459 --> 05:34:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7512
05:34:35,459 --> 05:34:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7513
05:34:37,459 --> 05:34:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7514
05:34:39,459 --> 05:34:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7515
05:34:41,459 --> 05:34:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7516
05:34:43,459 --> 05:34:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7517
05:34:45,459 --> 05:34:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7518
05:34:47,459 --> 05:34:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7519
05:34:49,459 --> 05:34:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7520
05:34:51,459 --> 05:34:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7521
05:34:53,459 --> 05:34:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7522
05:34:55,459 --> 05:34:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7523
05:34:57,459 --> 05:34:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7524
05:34:59,459 --> 05:35:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7525
05:35:01,459 --> 05:35:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7526
05:35:03,459 --> 05:35:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7527
05:35:05,459 --> 05:35:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7528
05:35:07,459 --> 05:35:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7529
05:35:09,459 --> 05:35:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7530
05:35:11,459 --> 05:35:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7531
05:35:13,459 --> 05:35:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7532
05:35:15,459 --> 05:35:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7533
05:35:17,459 --> 05:35:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7534
05:35:19,459 --> 05:35:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7535
05:35:21,459 --> 05:35:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7536
05:35:23,459 --> 05:35:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7537
05:35:25,459 --> 05:35:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7538
05:35:27,459 --> 05:35:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7539
05:35:29,459 --> 05:35:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7540
05:35:31,459 --> 05:35:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7541
05:35:33,459 --> 05:35:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7542
05:35:35,459 --> 05:35:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7543
05:35:37,459 --> 05:35:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7544
05:35:39,459 --> 05:35:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7545
05:35:41,459 --> 05:35:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7546
05:35:43,459 --> 05:35:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7547
05:35:45,459 --> 05:35:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7548
05:35:47,459 --> 05:35:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7549
05:35:49,459 --> 05:35:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7550
05:35:51,459 --> 05:35:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7551
05:35:53,459 --> 05:35:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7552
05:35:55,459 --> 05:35:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7553
05:35:57,459 --> 05:35:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7554
05:35:59,459 --> 05:36:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7555
05:36:01,459 --> 05:36:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7556
05:36:03,459 --> 05:36:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7557
05:36:05,459 --> 05:36:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7558
05:36:07,459 --> 05:36:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7559
05:36:09,459 --> 05:36:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7560
05:36:11,459 --> 05:36:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7561
05:36:13,459 --> 05:36:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7562
05:36:15,459 --> 05:36:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7563
05:36:17,459 --> 05:36:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7564
05:36:19,459 --> 05:36:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7565
05:36:21,459 --> 05:36:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7566
05:36:23,459 --> 05:36:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7567
05:36:25,459 --> 05:36:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7568
05:36:27,459 --> 05:36:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7569
05:36:29,459 --> 05:36:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7570
05:36:31,459 --> 05:36:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7571
05:36:33,459 --> 05:36:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7572
05:36:35,459 --> 05:36:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7573
05:36:37,459 --> 05:36:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7574
05:36:39,459 --> 05:36:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7575
05:36:41,459 --> 05:36:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7576
05:36:43,459 --> 05:36:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7577
05:36:45,459 --> 05:36:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7578
05:36:47,459 --> 05:36:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7579
05:36:49,459 --> 05:36:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7580
05:36:51,459 --> 05:36:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7581
05:36:53,459 --> 05:36:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7582
05:36:55,459 --> 05:36:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7583
05:36:57,459 --> 05:36:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7584
05:36:59,459 --> 05:37:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7585
05:37:01,459 --> 05:37:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7586
05:37:03,459 --> 05:37:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7587
05:37:05,459 --> 05:37:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7588
05:37:07,459 --> 05:37:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7589
05:37:09,459 --> 05:37:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7590
05:37:11,459 --> 05:37:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7591
05:37:13,459 --> 05:37:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7592
05:37:15,459 --> 05:37:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7593
05:37:17,459 --> 05:37:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7594
05:37:19,459 --> 05:37:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7595
05:37:21,459 --> 05:37:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7596
05:37:23,459 --> 05:37:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7597
05:37:25,459 --> 05:37:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7598
05:37:27,459 --> 05:37:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7599
05:37:29,459 --> 05:37:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7600
05:37:31,459 --> 05:37:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7601
05:37:33,459 --> 05:37:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7602
05:37:35,459 --> 05:37:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7603
05:37:37,459 --> 05:37:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7604
05:37:39,459 --> 05:37:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7605
05:37:41,459 --> 05:37:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7606
05:37:43,459 --> 05:37:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7607
05:37:45,459 --> 05:37:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7608
05:37:47,459 --> 05:37:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7609
05:37:49,459 --> 05:37:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7610
05:37:51,459 --> 05:37:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7611
05:37:53,459 --> 05:37:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7612
05:37:55,459 --> 05:37:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7613
05:37:57,459 --> 05:37:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7614
05:37:59,459 --> 05:38:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7615
05:38:01,459 --> 05:38:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7616
05:38:03,459 --> 05:38:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7617
05:38:05,459 --> 05:38:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7618
05:38:07,459 --> 05:38:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7619
05:38:09,459 --> 05:38:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7620
05:38:11,459 --> 05:38:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7621
05:38:13,459 --> 05:38:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7622
05:38:15,459 --> 05:38:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7623
05:38:17,459 --> 05:38:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7624
05:38:19,459 --> 05:38:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7625
05:38:21,459 --> 05:38:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7626
05:38:23,459 --> 05:38:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7627
05:38:25,459 --> 05:38:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7628
05:38:27,459 --> 05:38:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7629
05:38:29,459 --> 05:38:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7630
05:38:31,459 --> 05:38:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7631
05:38:33,459 --> 05:38:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7632
05:38:35,459 --> 05:38:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7633
05:38:37,459 --> 05:38:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7634
05:38:39,459 --> 05:38:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7635
05:38:41,459 --> 05:38:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7636
05:38:43,459 --> 05:38:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7637
05:38:45,459 --> 05:38:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7638
05:38:47,459 --> 05:38:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7639
05:38:49,459 --> 05:38:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7640
05:38:51,459 --> 05:38:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7641
05:38:53,459 --> 05:38:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7642
05:38:55,459 --> 05:38:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7643
05:38:57,459 --> 05:38:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7644
05:38:59,459 --> 05:39:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7645
05:39:01,459 --> 05:39:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7646
05:39:03,459 --> 05:39:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7647
05:39:05,459 --> 05:39:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7648
05:39:07,459 --> 05:39:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7649
05:39:09,459 --> 05:39:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7650
05:39:11,459 --> 05:39:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7651
05:39:13,459 --> 05:39:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7652
05:39:15,459 --> 05:39:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7653
05:39:17,459 --> 05:39:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7654
05:39:19,459 --> 05:39:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7655
05:39:21,459 --> 05:39:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7656
05:39:23,459 --> 05:39:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7657
05:39:25,459 --> 05:39:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7658
05:39:27,459 --> 05:39:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7659
05:39:29,459 --> 05:39:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7660
05:39:31,459 --> 05:39:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7661
05:39:33,459 --> 05:39:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7662
05:39:35,459 --> 05:39:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7663
05:39:37,459 --> 05:39:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7664
05:39:39,459 --> 05:39:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7665
05:39:41,459 --> 05:39:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7666
05:39:43,459 --> 05:39:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7667
05:39:45,459 --> 05:39:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7668
05:39:47,459 --> 05:39:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7669
05:39:49,459 --> 05:39:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7670
05:39:51,459 --> 05:39:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7671
05:39:53,459 --> 05:39:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7672
05:39:55,459 --> 05:39:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7673
05:39:57,459 --> 05:39:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7674
05:39:59,459 --> 05:40:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7675
05:40:01,459 --> 05:40:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7676
05:40:03,459 --> 05:40:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7677
05:40:05,459 --> 05:40:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7678
05:40:07,459 --> 05:40:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7679
05:40:09,459 --> 05:40:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7680
05:40:11,459 --> 05:40:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7681
05:40:13,459 --> 05:40:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7682
05:40:15,459 --> 05:40:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7683
05:40:17,459 --> 05:40:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7684
05:40:19,459 --> 05:40:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7685
05:40:21,459 --> 05:40:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7686
05:40:23,459 --> 05:40:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7687
05:40:25,459 --> 05:40:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7688
05:40:27,459 --> 05:40:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7689
05:40:29,459 --> 05:40:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7690
05:40:31,459 --> 05:40:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7691
05:40:33,459 --> 05:40:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7692
05:40:35,459 --> 05:40:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7693
05:40:37,459 --> 05:40:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7694
05:40:39,459 --> 05:40:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7695
05:40:41,459 --> 05:40:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7696
05:40:43,459 --> 05:40:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7697
05:40:45,459 --> 05:40:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7698
05:40:47,459 --> 05:40:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7699
05:40:49,459 --> 05:40:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7700
05:40:51,459 --> 05:40:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7701
05:40:53,459 --> 05:40:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7702
05:40:55,459 --> 05:40:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7703
05:40:57,459 --> 05:40:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7704
05:40:59,459 --> 05:41:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7705
05:41:01,459 --> 05:41:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7706
05:41:03,459 --> 05:41:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7707
05:41:05,459 --> 05:41:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7708
05:41:07,459 --> 05:41:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7709
05:41:09,459 --> 05:41:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7710
05:41:11,459 --> 05:41:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7711
05:41:13,459 --> 05:41:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7712
05:41:15,459 --> 05:41:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7713
05:41:17,459 --> 05:41:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7714
05:41:19,459 --> 05:41:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7715
05:41:21,459 --> 05:41:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7716
05:41:23,459 --> 05:41:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7717
05:41:25,459 --> 05:41:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7718
05:41:27,459 --> 05:41:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7719
05:41:29,459 --> 05:41:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7720
05:41:31,459 --> 05:41:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7721
05:41:33,459 --> 05:41:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7722
05:41:35,459 --> 05:41:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7723
05:41:37,459 --> 05:41:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7724
05:41:39,459 --> 05:41:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7725
05:41:41,459 --> 05:41:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7726
05:41:43,459 --> 05:41:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7727
05:41:45,459 --> 05:41:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7728
05:41:47,459 --> 05:41:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7729
05:41:49,459 --> 05:41:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7730
05:41:51,459 --> 05:41:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7731
05:41:53,459 --> 05:41:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7732
05:41:55,459 --> 05:41:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7733
05:41:57,459 --> 05:41:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7734
05:41:59,459 --> 05:42:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7735
05:42:01,459 --> 05:42:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7736
05:42:03,459 --> 05:42:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7737
05:42:05,459 --> 05:42:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7738
05:42:07,459 --> 05:42:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7739
05:42:09,459 --> 05:42:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7740
05:42:11,459 --> 05:42:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7741
05:42:13,459 --> 05:42:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7742
05:42:15,459 --> 05:42:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7743
05:42:17,459 --> 05:42:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7744
05:42:19,459 --> 05:42:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7745
05:42:21,459 --> 05:42:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7746
05:42:23,459 --> 05:42:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7747
05:42:25,459 --> 05:42:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7748
05:42:27,459 --> 05:42:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7749
05:42:29,459 --> 05:42:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7750
05:42:31,459 --> 05:42:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7751
05:42:33,459 --> 05:42:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7752
05:42:35,459 --> 05:42:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7753
05:42:37,459 --> 05:42:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7754
05:42:39,459 --> 05:42:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7755
05:42:41,459 --> 05:42:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7756
05:42:43,459 --> 05:42:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7757
05:42:45,459 --> 05:42:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7758
05:42:47,459 --> 05:42:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7759
05:42:49,459 --> 05:42:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7760
05:42:51,459 --> 05:42:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7761
05:42:53,459 --> 05:42:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7762
05:42:55,459 --> 05:42:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7763
05:42:57,459 --> 05:42:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7764
05:42:59,459 --> 05:43:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7765
05:43:01,459 --> 05:43:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7766
05:43:03,459 --> 05:43:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7767
05:43:05,459 --> 05:43:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7768
05:43:07,459 --> 05:43:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7769
05:43:09,459 --> 05:43:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7770
05:43:11,459 --> 05:43:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7771
05:43:13,459 --> 05:43:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7772
05:43:15,459 --> 05:43:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7773
05:43:17,459 --> 05:43:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7774
05:43:19,459 --> 05:43:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7775
05:43:21,459 --> 05:43:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7776
05:43:23,459 --> 05:43:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7777
05:43:25,459 --> 05:43:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7778
05:43:27,459 --> 05:43:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7779
05:43:29,459 --> 05:43:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7780
05:43:31,459 --> 05:43:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7781
05:43:33,459 --> 05:43:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7782
05:43:35,459 --> 05:43:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7783
05:43:37,459 --> 05:43:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7784
05:43:39,459 --> 05:43:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7785
05:43:41,459 --> 05:43:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7786
05:43:43,459 --> 05:43:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7787
05:43:45,459 --> 05:43:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7788
05:43:47,459 --> 05:43:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7789
05:43:49,459 --> 05:43:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7790
05:43:51,459 --> 05:43:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7791
05:43:53,459 --> 05:43:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7792
05:43:55,459 --> 05:43:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7793
05:43:57,459 --> 05:43:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7794
05:43:59,459 --> 05:44:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7795
05:44:01,459 --> 05:44:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7796
05:44:03,459 --> 05:44:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7797
05:44:05,459 --> 05:44:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7798
05:44:07,459 --> 05:44:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7799
05:44:09,459 --> 05:44:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7800
05:44:11,459 --> 05:44:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7801
05:44:13,459 --> 05:44:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7802
05:44:15,459 --> 05:44:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7803
05:44:17,459 --> 05:44:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7804
05:44:19,459 --> 05:44:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7805
05:44:21,459 --> 05:44:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7806
05:44:23,459 --> 05:44:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7807
05:44:25,459 --> 05:44:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7808
05:44:27,459 --> 05:44:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7809
05:44:29,459 --> 05:44:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7810
05:44:31,459 --> 05:44:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7811
05:44:33,459 --> 05:44:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7812
05:44:35,459 --> 05:44:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7813
05:44:37,459 --> 05:44:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7814
05:44:39,459 --> 05:44:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7815
05:44:41,459 --> 05:44:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7816
05:44:43,459 --> 05:44:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7817
05:44:45,459 --> 05:44:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7818
05:44:47,459 --> 05:44:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7819
05:44:49,459 --> 05:44:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7820
05:44:51,459 --> 05:44:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7821
05:44:53,459 --> 05:44:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7822
05:44:55,459 --> 05:44:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7823
05:44:57,459 --> 05:44:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7824
05:44:59,459 --> 05:45:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7825
05:45:01,459 --> 05:45:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7826
05:45:03,459 --> 05:45:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7827
05:45:05,459 --> 05:45:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7828
05:45:07,459 --> 05:45:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7829
05:45:09,459 --> 05:45:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7830
05:45:11,459 --> 05:45:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7831
05:45:13,459 --> 05:45:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7832
05:45:15,459 --> 05:45:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7833
05:45:17,459 --> 05:45:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7834
05:45:19,459 --> 05:45:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7835
05:45:21,459 --> 05:45:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7836
05:45:23,459 --> 05:45:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7837
05:45:25,459 --> 05:45:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7838
05:45:27,459 --> 05:45:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7839
05:45:29,459 --> 05:45:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7840
05:45:31,459 --> 05:45:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7841
05:45:33,459 --> 05:45:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7842
05:45:35,459 --> 05:45:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7843
05:45:37,459 --> 05:45:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7844
05:45:39,459 --> 05:45:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7845
05:45:41,459 --> 05:45:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7846
05:45:43,459 --> 05:45:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7847
05:45:45,459 --> 05:45:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7848
05:45:47,459 --> 05:45:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7849
05:45:49,459 --> 05:45:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7850
05:45:51,459 --> 05:45:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7851
05:45:53,459 --> 05:45:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7852
05:45:55,459 --> 05:45:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7853
05:45:57,459 --> 05:45:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7854
05:45:59,459 --> 05:46:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7855
05:46:01,459 --> 05:46:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7856
05:46:03,459 --> 05:46:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7857
05:46:05,459 --> 05:46:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7858
05:46:07,459 --> 05:46:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7859
05:46:09,459 --> 05:46:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7860
05:46:11,459 --> 05:46:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7861
05:46:13,459 --> 05:46:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7862
05:46:15,459 --> 05:46:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7863
05:46:17,459 --> 05:46:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7864
05:46:19,459 --> 05:46:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7865
05:46:21,459 --> 05:46:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7866
05:46:23,459 --> 05:46:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7867
05:46:25,459 --> 05:46:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7868
05:46:27,459 --> 05:46:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7869
05:46:29,459 --> 05:46:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7870
05:46:31,459 --> 05:46:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7871
05:46:33,459 --> 05:46:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7872
05:46:35,459 --> 05:46:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7873
05:46:37,459 --> 05:46:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7874
05:46:39,459 --> 05:46:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7875
05:46:41,459 --> 05:46:43,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7876
05:46:43,459 --> 05:46:45,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7877
05:46:45,459 --> 05:46:47,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7878
05:46:47,459 --> 05:46:49,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7879
05:46:49,459 --> 05:46:51,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7880
05:46:51,459 --> 05:46:53,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7881
05:46:53,459 --> 05:46:55,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7882
05:46:55,459 --> 05:46:57,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7883
05:46:57,459 --> 05:46:59,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7884
05:46:59,459 --> 05:47:01,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7885
05:47:01,459 --> 05:47:03,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7886
05:47:03,459 --> 05:47:05,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7887
05:47:05,459 --> 05:47:07,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7888
05:47:07,459 --> 05:47:09,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7889
05:47:09,459 --> 05:47:11,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7890
05:47:11,459 --> 05:47:13,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7891
05:47:13,459 --> 05:47:15,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7892
05:47:15,459 --> 05:47:17,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7893
05:47:17,459 --> 05:47:19,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7894
05:47:19,459 --> 05:47:21,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7895
05:47:21,459 --> 05:47:23,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7896
05:47:23,459 --> 05:47:25,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7897
05:47:25,459 --> 05:47:27,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7898
05:47:27,459 --> 05:47:29,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7899
05:47:29,459 --> 05:47:31,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7900
05:47:31,459 --> 05:47:33,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7901
05:47:33,459 --> 05:47:35,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7902
05:47:35,459 --> 05:47:37,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7903
05:47:37,459 --> 05:47:39,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7904
05:47:39,459 --> 05:47:41,459
>> I am not suggesting we are okay with 200 units.

7905
05:47:41,459 --> 05:47:43,459
>> I apologize for the outburst a little earlier.

7906
05:47:43,459 --> 05:47:47,459
I was just a little frustrated with what I was hearing.

7907
05:47:47,459 --> 05:47:51,459
I am going to get down a couple of things here.

7908
05:47:51,459 --> 05:47:54,599
Some of the state laws that apply to manufactured housing,

7909
05:47:54,599 --> 05:47:57,979
construction, or modular home construction are two

7910
05:47:57,979 --> 05:47:59,459
different animals.

7911
05:47:59,459 --> 05:48:03,400
Manufactured homes are regulated by the United States

7912
05:48:03,400 --> 05:48:05,459
government HUD design codes.

7913
05:48:05,459 --> 05:48:08,209
Those came into effect after Hurricane Andrew wiped out

7914
05:48:08,209 --> 05:48:10,459
Florida and a bunch of housing down there.

7915
05:48:10,459 --> 05:48:13,220
The U.S. government thinking they are smart there, but he

7916
05:48:13,220 --> 05:48:14,459
came in and took it over.

7917
05:48:14,459 --> 05:48:17,180
Part of that deal is you have to have a crawl space

7918
05:48:17,180 --> 05:48:19,880
underneath any manufactured home to get access to any of

7919
05:48:19,880 --> 05:48:21,459
the piping or ducting underneath there.

7920
05:48:21,459 --> 05:48:23,459
That is a state law and federal law.

7921
05:48:23,459 --> 05:48:25,459
Minimum is 18 inches.

7922
05:48:25,459 --> 05:48:27,459
Preferably is 24.

7923
05:48:27,459 --> 05:48:31,459
Just FYI on that.

7924
05:48:31,459 --> 05:48:33,459
I applaud the gentleman.

7925
05:48:33,459 --> 05:48:36,209
They have a great business plan coming in, trying to put

7926
05:48:36,209 --> 05:48:39,459
some housing in here for folks, renting some lots out.

7927
05:48:39,459 --> 05:48:41,459
It is a really good plan.

7928
05:48:41,459 --> 05:48:44,279
It is going to return their investment in about three years

7929
05:48:44,279 --> 05:48:48,459
, which gives them positive cash flow forever.

7930
05:48:48,459 --> 05:48:50,459
I think it is good.

7931
05:48:50,459 --> 05:48:54,459
What kind of lacks for the city of Denton is the tax base,

7932
05:48:54,459 --> 05:48:57,889
which some of the other individuals have touched on here

7933
05:48:57,889 --> 05:48:59,459
just a little bit ago.

7934
05:48:59,459 --> 05:49:01,819
Little Elm over in that area, they had a bunch of trailer

7935
05:49:01,819 --> 05:49:04,459
homes, mobile homes over there for a long period of time.

7936
05:49:04,459 --> 05:49:07,459
They have gone through and weeded them out.

7937
05:49:07,459 --> 05:49:11,200
Because of that, their tax base has increased exponentially

7938
05:49:11,200 --> 05:49:11,459
.

7939
05:49:11,459 --> 05:49:14,459
Equality of homes has increased exponentially.

7940
05:49:14,459 --> 05:49:16,459
Equality of living has done the same thing.

7941
05:49:16,459 --> 05:49:19,459
Everything has gone up.

7942
05:49:19,459 --> 05:49:22,709
One of my neighbors touched on a little bit earlier, Brian

7943
05:49:22,709 --> 05:49:23,459
Flatley.

7944
05:49:23,459 --> 05:49:31,459
He talked about the mobile home park there, Ashley Oaks,

7945
05:49:31,459 --> 05:49:35,459
just to the west of the current proposed project.

7946
05:49:35,459 --> 05:49:38,659
Somebody had a good sense of command there after it was

7947
05:49:38,659 --> 05:49:40,459
built, the zone at NR2.

7948
05:49:40,459 --> 05:49:42,459
There is a reason for it.

7949
05:49:42,459 --> 05:49:45,209
If it is going to be sold, they want something other than

7950
05:49:45,209 --> 05:49:47,630
mobile homes or manufactured homes on that property,

7951
05:49:47,630 --> 05:49:50,549
because they want to increase the quality of life here in

7952
05:49:50,549 --> 05:49:51,459
the city of Denton.

7953
05:49:51,459 --> 05:49:54,459
They were smart.

7954
05:49:54,459 --> 05:49:58,169
That is the game plan, increase the quality of life we got

7955
05:49:58,169 --> 05:49:59,459
here in Denton.

7956
05:49:59,459 --> 05:50:03,459
This, I do not believe does it.

7957
05:50:03,459 --> 05:50:06,459
People want to be doing better than their parents did.

7958
05:50:06,459 --> 05:50:09,459
I want my kids to do better than I did.

7959
05:50:09,459 --> 05:50:13,459
I have succeeded in what my parents did, which is great.

7960
05:50:13,459 --> 05:50:17,459
We are not doing that here with this project.

7961
05:50:17,459 --> 05:50:20,459
So many individuals touched on the tax base.

7962
05:50:20,459 --> 05:50:22,459
Excuse me, how do you pronounce it again?

7963
05:50:22,459 --> 05:50:23,459
Thank you, sir.

7964
05:50:23,459 --> 05:50:27,459
Mr. Singhani, he touched on it.

7965
05:50:27,459 --> 05:50:31,020
The tax base on the 1,500 homes he wants to put in there

7966
05:50:31,020 --> 05:50:35,259
with an average starting price of $275,000, the revenue it

7967
05:50:35,259 --> 05:50:37,459
would bring into this city is huge.

7968
05:50:37,459 --> 05:50:41,630
The average amount of taxes we pay within our subdivision

7969
05:50:41,630 --> 05:50:46,459
for 155 homes in there is about $9,000 a year.

7970
05:50:46,459 --> 05:50:50,459
I personally wrote a check for $17,000 last year.

7971
05:50:50,459 --> 05:50:51,459
Why happy about that?

7972
05:50:51,459 --> 05:50:53,459
Oh, no.

7973
05:50:53,459 --> 05:50:56,459
I even fought my taxes and I lost.

7974
05:50:56,459 --> 05:51:01,459
I can't sell it for what you all are taxing me for.

7975
05:51:01,459 --> 05:51:04,900
But the tax rolls are the tax rolls and that's what brings

7976
05:51:04,900 --> 05:51:06,459
money into this city.

7977
05:51:06,459 --> 05:51:09,619
A house, a manufactured home, when it's not sitting on

7978
05:51:09,619 --> 05:51:12,799
property that you do not own, is not considered real

7979
05:51:12,799 --> 05:51:15,459
property by a Denton County tax assessor.

7980
05:51:15,459 --> 05:51:18,459
It is considered personal property.

7981
05:51:18,459 --> 05:51:21,830
And as such, this tax at a lower rate than real property,

7982
05:51:21,830 --> 05:51:25,119
which you own a house, your house is sitting on a piece of

7983
05:51:25,119 --> 05:51:27,459
property, that's real property.

7984
05:51:27,459 --> 05:51:30,639
Personal property like a car, stuff like that, is what

7985
05:51:30,639 --> 05:51:33,459
these are based on and what they're taxed on.

7986
05:51:33,459 --> 05:51:39,509
So if you have a 17 by 76 square foot, 17 by 76 dimension,

7987
05:51:39,509 --> 05:51:45,229
single wide, 1,292 square foot, you're going to pay about $

7988
05:51:45,229 --> 05:51:51,459
1,500 a year in taxes on that manufactured home.

7989
05:51:51,459 --> 05:51:54,479
And whoever owns the land is going to pay the difference,

7990
05:51:54,479 --> 05:51:56,459
is going to pay the tax on the land.

7991
05:51:56,459 --> 05:51:59,540
Now, if you come in and put a three bedroom, two bath, 1,

7992
05:51:59,540 --> 05:52:04,259
500 square foot house at about $180,000 price mark, you're

7993
05:52:04,259 --> 05:52:09,459
going to be paying about $3,000 a year more.

7994
05:52:09,459 --> 05:52:13,240
So take that $3,000 and multiply it by 497, what do you get

7995
05:52:13,240 --> 05:52:13,459
?

7996
05:52:13,459 --> 05:52:17,459
You get about $1.5 million.

7997
05:52:17,459 --> 05:52:20,470
That's a big difference in chunk of changes coming into the

7998
05:52:20,470 --> 05:52:21,459
city of Denton.

7999
05:52:21,459 --> 05:52:24,220
We bitch and moan about our transportation being lacking

8000
05:52:24,220 --> 05:52:26,439
and quality of life being lacking because of our

8001
05:52:26,439 --> 05:52:31,459
transportation, right there's your problem.

8002
05:52:31,459 --> 05:52:34,470
That 1.5 million will pay for a whole lot of improvements

8003
05:52:34,470 --> 05:52:35,459
on our roadways.

8004
05:52:35,459 --> 05:52:38,540
And I bet you dog on dollar it will pay for three damn stop

8005
05:52:38,540 --> 05:52:41,709
signs at our subdivision that the city engineer will not

8006
05:52:41,709 --> 05:52:42,459
put in.

8007
05:52:42,459 --> 05:52:44,709
He said, no, we don't need that. We can't do it. It won't

8008
05:52:44,709 --> 05:52:45,459
affect the traffic.

8009
05:52:45,459 --> 05:52:49,400
I personally saw a Bronco 2 up on two wheels coming up over

8010
05:52:49,400 --> 05:52:52,459
that hill doing about 65 mile an hour.

8011
05:52:52,459 --> 05:52:55,209
That's coming from that one lane bridge down the bottom of

8012
05:52:55,209 --> 05:52:55,459
Trinity.

8013
05:52:55,459 --> 05:52:57,740
By the time he got to the top of the hill, he's on two

8014
05:52:57,740 --> 05:53:00,459
lanes, looked like he was working for Joey Chitwood.

8015
05:53:00,459 --> 05:53:02,459
Old folks know who that is. I apologize.

8016
05:53:02,459 --> 05:53:05,459
All right.

8017
05:53:05,459 --> 05:53:09,150
It's fast. We've had people diving off into ditches not get

8018
05:53:09,150 --> 05:53:09,459
hit.

8019
05:53:09,459 --> 05:53:13,419
Because the city of Denton won't come out and put out three

8020
05:53:13,419 --> 05:53:14,459
stop signs.

8021
05:53:14,459 --> 05:53:16,459
We don't we don't need them.

8022
05:53:16,459 --> 05:53:19,270
You don't need we're not going to put speed bumps in

8023
05:53:19,270 --> 05:53:22,459
because of traffic because of emergency vehicles.

8024
05:53:22,459 --> 05:53:24,459
It's stupid.

8025
05:53:24,459 --> 05:53:27,459
You're putting people's lives at stake.

8026
05:53:27,459 --> 05:53:29,459
That's the issue I got.

8027
05:53:29,459 --> 05:53:31,459
Thank you for your time.

8028
05:53:31,459 --> 05:53:32,459
Thank you very much.

8029
05:53:32,459 --> 05:53:34,459
I do not see any questions.

8030
05:53:34,459 --> 05:53:41,459
Thank you. Thank you.

8031
05:53:41,459 --> 05:53:46,459
Next we have Cody Hogan.

8032
05:53:46,459 --> 05:53:49,200
As he's coming up, this is the last card we have this

8033
05:53:49,200 --> 05:53:49,459
evening.

8034
05:53:49,459 --> 05:53:52,459
That's not to say that no one else can speak.

8035
05:53:52,459 --> 05:53:54,459
If you do want to speak, we're happy to hear you.

8036
05:53:54,459 --> 05:53:56,459
We'd ask you fill out a card.

8037
05:53:56,459 --> 05:54:00,250
But if not, after Mr. Hogan speaks, we can certainly have

8038
05:54:00,250 --> 05:54:01,459
you come back up.

8039
05:54:01,459 --> 05:54:03,459
I know that I already spoke.

8040
05:54:03,459 --> 05:54:06,919
Would you be able to come up for one more minute and ask

8041
05:54:06,919 --> 05:54:10,459
the applicant to address the question?

8042
05:54:10,459 --> 05:54:14,459
After Mr. Hogan speaks, we might be able to address your

8043
05:54:14,459 --> 05:54:15,459
question.

8044
05:54:15,459 --> 05:54:19,459
Cody Hogan, 589 South Trinity Road.

8045
05:54:19,459 --> 05:54:20,459
I know my time's quick.

8046
05:54:20,459 --> 05:54:23,459
So I'm going to go over a couple of things.

8047
05:54:23,459 --> 05:54:28,049
I truthfully think we should get a dumping pass for right

8048
05:54:28,049 --> 05:54:29,459
there by the bridge.

8049
05:54:29,459 --> 05:54:33,549
Maybe at least for me, because I at least dumped once a

8050
05:54:33,549 --> 05:54:36,459
month of everybody's stuff that's from Vacation Village.

8051
05:54:36,459 --> 05:54:40,020
I guarantee these people aren't dumping couches and dress

8052
05:54:40,020 --> 05:54:40,459
ers.

8053
05:54:40,459 --> 05:54:42,459
I'm the one that has to do that.

8054
05:54:42,459 --> 05:54:45,459
So second thing is police.

8055
05:54:45,459 --> 05:54:48,209
I have people that -- I don't do this very often, so I'm

8056
05:54:48,209 --> 05:54:49,459
probably turning pretty red.

8057
05:54:49,459 --> 05:54:51,459
But I live right there.

8058
05:54:51,459 --> 05:54:55,459
I live exactly right here to be exact.

8059
05:54:55,459 --> 05:55:00,459
And down by the bridge and exactly over here, it's a joke.

8060
05:55:00,459 --> 05:55:03,759
I call the police because there's three -- no offense --

8061
05:55:03,759 --> 05:55:08,459
Hispanic guys shooting behind the house, ARs to be exact.

8062
05:55:08,459 --> 05:55:12,459
It took 45 minutes for the police to get to my house.

8063
05:55:12,459 --> 05:55:16,680
While I'm sitting there with my wife -- girlfriend -- and

8064
05:55:16,680 --> 05:55:19,759
we're sitting there waiting and I put myself in a bad

8065
05:55:19,759 --> 05:55:21,459
position, I have cows on the property.

8066
05:55:21,459 --> 05:55:24,459
I get the fence cut all the time right here.

8067
05:55:24,459 --> 05:55:29,310
Corps of Engineers, complete opening for four-wheelers to

8068
05:55:29,310 --> 05:55:30,459
go through. Like, it's no joke.

8069
05:55:30,459 --> 05:55:32,459
I have to -- I will be completely honest with you.

8070
05:55:32,459 --> 05:55:35,220
I cut trees right here and I'll put fence here to stop the

8071
05:55:35,220 --> 05:55:36,459
four-wheelers coming.

8072
05:55:36,459 --> 05:55:39,459
Call the Corps of Engineer, they won't do nothing about it.

8073
05:55:39,459 --> 05:55:42,459
So that right there is just going to escalate over here.

8074
05:55:42,459 --> 05:55:43,459
It's going to happen.

8075
05:55:43,459 --> 05:55:45,459
The speeding, it is.

8076
05:55:45,459 --> 05:55:47,459
It's a joke.

8077
05:55:47,459 --> 05:55:50,259
Like, it's scary on South Trinity Road and it's because of

8078
05:55:50,259 --> 05:55:51,459
Vacation Village.

8079
05:55:51,459 --> 05:55:54,220
I see them every single day because I have to drive my

8080
05:55:54,220 --> 05:55:57,229
Ranger to check my cows around this property every single

8081
05:55:57,229 --> 05:55:59,459
day to make sure my fence don't get cut.

8082
05:55:59,459 --> 05:56:00,459
And it has.

8083
05:56:00,459 --> 05:56:03,419
And I've had cows out here where I have to hire three or

8084
05:56:03,419 --> 05:56:06,520
four guys to come out with drones with thermal to find my

8085
05:56:06,520 --> 05:56:08,459
cows and bring them back in.

8086
05:56:08,459 --> 05:56:09,459
That ain't cheap.

8087
05:56:09,459 --> 05:56:15,759
About two months ago, I had an ambulance cut my fence, come

8088
05:56:15,759 --> 05:56:19,189
in to pick up a crackhead with a family back here because

8089
05:56:19,189 --> 05:56:20,459
they overdosed.

8090
05:56:20,459 --> 05:56:21,459
I looked up.

8091
05:56:21,459 --> 05:56:24,209
They wouldn't tell me much, but I kind of followed the mom

8092
05:56:24,209 --> 05:56:24,459
out.

8093
05:56:24,459 --> 05:56:26,459
Guess where she went?

8094
05:56:26,459 --> 05:56:27,459
Vacation Village.

8095
05:56:27,459 --> 05:56:29,459
It's exact same houses.

8096
05:56:29,459 --> 05:56:32,459
I don't care if anyone says they are, but they are.

8097
05:56:32,459 --> 05:56:36,849
Next thing is, the neighborhood, this trailer park right

8098
05:56:36,849 --> 05:56:41,020
here, I will sit there for 30 minutes waiting on the bus to

8099
05:56:41,020 --> 05:56:42,459
pick up every kid.

8100
05:56:42,459 --> 05:56:45,459
Now we're doubling that, probably tripling that.

8101
05:56:45,459 --> 05:56:49,459
So that's just a joke itself, too.

8102
05:56:49,459 --> 05:56:52,700
I don't think we should have to sit there for 30 minutes

8103
05:56:52,700 --> 05:56:55,590
for a thousand kids to decide if they want to get on the

8104
05:56:55,590 --> 05:56:56,459
bus or not.

8105
05:56:56,459 --> 05:56:59,459
By the way, I didn't get anything in the mail either.

8106
05:56:59,459 --> 05:57:03,259
So tents, I have homeless people that live here and I have

8107
05:57:03,259 --> 05:57:07,459
homeless people that live right here beside that property.

8108
05:57:07,459 --> 05:57:09,459
Call the police.

8109
05:57:09,459 --> 05:57:12,459
It takes 45 minutes for them to come and deal with that.

8110
05:57:12,459 --> 05:57:16,139
I have to go down there myself with an AR and make sure

8111
05:57:16,139 --> 05:57:18,459
that I'm safe to get them out.

8112
05:57:18,459 --> 05:57:19,459
It is what it is.

8113
05:57:19,459 --> 05:57:22,459
I mean, they literally are 10 minutes from my house.

8114
05:57:22,459 --> 05:57:25,459
I really don't want anybody walking into my house.

8115
05:57:25,459 --> 05:57:28,400
I mean, I don't think -- do any of you guys live close to

8116
05:57:28,400 --> 05:57:29,459
Trinity at all?

8117
05:57:29,459 --> 05:57:31,479
Because if you guys would like to volunteer and pick up

8118
05:57:31,479 --> 05:57:33,880
stuff or deal with these kind of problems with me, please,

8119
05:57:33,880 --> 05:57:35,459
by all means, come do it with me.

8120
05:57:35,459 --> 05:57:36,459
I'm not trying to be rude.

8121
05:57:36,459 --> 05:57:38,459
This is the truth.

8122
05:57:38,459 --> 05:57:40,459
Let's see here.

8123
05:57:40,459 --> 05:57:42,459
Water drainage.

8124
05:57:42,459 --> 05:57:45,290
He brought up the water drainage, but I know I get a bill

8125
05:57:45,290 --> 05:57:48,459
in the mail every single month to pay for water drainage.

8126
05:57:48,459 --> 05:57:49,459
Exactly that.

8127
05:57:49,459 --> 05:57:53,020
I pay that every single month to Denton County to handle

8128
05:57:53,020 --> 05:57:54,459
the water drainage.

8129
05:57:54,459 --> 05:57:58,459
So I don't think that should be an excuse.

8130
05:57:58,459 --> 05:57:59,459
Let's see here.

8131
05:57:59,459 --> 05:58:00,459
Little Elm.

8132
05:58:00,459 --> 05:58:03,459
You know, look what Little Elm did.

8133
05:58:03,459 --> 05:58:06,470
Everybody's brought that up that they've cleaned out the

8134
05:58:06,470 --> 05:58:07,459
trailer parks.

8135
05:58:07,459 --> 05:58:11,020
Are we wanting -- I mean, look how big they're booming,

8136
05:58:11,020 --> 05:58:14,389
prosper, calling -- they're booming over there because they

8137
05:58:14,389 --> 05:58:15,459
're cleaning them out.

8138
05:58:15,459 --> 05:58:17,459
And we're doing the exact opposite.

8139
05:58:17,459 --> 05:58:20,459
Is that something that we want to kind of follow?

8140
05:58:20,459 --> 05:58:24,020
I mean, what about over on 288 where D.R. Horton's building

8141
05:58:24,020 --> 05:58:24,459
his houses?

8142
05:58:24,459 --> 05:58:26,459
Why don't we build trailer houses over there?

8143
05:58:26,459 --> 05:58:29,459
I guarantee we wouldn't do that because it's not hidden.

8144
05:58:29,459 --> 05:58:32,599
We're trying to hide stuff over here and make it look good

8145
05:58:32,599 --> 05:58:33,459
over there.

8146
05:58:33,459 --> 05:58:34,459
I don't think that's right.

8147
05:58:34,459 --> 05:58:37,459
These people spend a lot of money on their houses.

8148
05:58:37,459 --> 05:58:39,459
My house, it ain't close to theirs.

8149
05:58:39,459 --> 05:58:41,459
And we talk about low income.

8150
05:58:41,459 --> 05:58:43,459
I'm 28 years old.

8151
05:58:43,459 --> 05:58:48,459
Low income, I've not had any family funding or anything.

8152
05:58:48,459 --> 05:58:51,200
I've busted my butt every single day and got where I am

8153
05:58:51,200 --> 05:58:51,459
today.

8154
05:58:51,459 --> 05:58:54,459
I have a couple rental properties.

8155
05:58:54,459 --> 05:58:57,459
Low income, they need to get out there and bust their butt.

8156
05:58:57,459 --> 05:59:00,340
If they don't want to live in a trailer house, I mean, get

8157
05:59:00,340 --> 05:59:01,459
out there and work.

8158
05:59:01,459 --> 05:59:02,459
That's what I mean.

8159
05:59:02,459 --> 05:59:03,459
That's what I do.

8160
05:59:03,459 --> 05:59:05,459
I've done it all on my own.

8161
05:59:05,459 --> 05:59:09,200
So I just -- I can't believe that we're going to put

8162
05:59:09,200 --> 05:59:14,459
trailer houses there when we already know it's guaranteed

8163
05:59:14,459 --> 05:59:16,459
to become a disaster.

8164
05:59:16,459 --> 05:59:17,459
It really is.

8165
05:59:17,459 --> 05:59:18,459
I hate to say that.

8166
05:59:18,459 --> 05:59:19,459
I understand.

8167
05:59:19,459 --> 05:59:20,459
These people have a place to live.

8168
05:59:20,459 --> 05:59:23,180
But is it our city that we have to take care of them to do

8169
05:59:23,180 --> 05:59:23,459
that?

8170
05:59:23,459 --> 05:59:25,459
I mean, we have enough already.

8171
05:59:25,459 --> 05:59:27,459
Vacation Village, I hate to say this.

8172
05:59:27,459 --> 05:59:29,459
Have any of you guys been to Mexico?

8173
05:59:29,459 --> 05:59:31,459
Because that's what it feels like.

8174
05:59:31,459 --> 05:59:32,459
And it ain't no joke.

8175
05:59:32,459 --> 05:59:34,099
I guarantee some of these people won't even go through

8176
05:59:34,099 --> 05:59:34,459
there.

8177
05:59:34,459 --> 05:59:38,650
I have to go through there every single day to check my

8178
05:59:38,650 --> 05:59:39,459
fence.

8179
05:59:39,459 --> 05:59:42,900
I had to actually -- over here in this property, there's a

8180
05:59:42,900 --> 05:59:46,459
water that handles all the water for vaca -- oh, sorry.

8181
05:59:46,459 --> 05:59:50,810
Over here, that area right here, there's a guy that I guess

8182
05:59:50,810 --> 05:59:55,459
rents for the water and everything for that trailer place.

8183
05:59:55,459 --> 05:59:59,139
I had to personally spend my money and build a very good

8184
05:59:59,139 --> 06:00:03,080
metal gate to keep people from going back there and dumping

8185
06:00:03,080 --> 06:00:03,459
.

8186
06:00:03,459 --> 06:00:08,459
I have become the new Denton dump, to be exact.

8187
06:00:08,459 --> 06:00:11,229
If you guys told me, hey, you can bring all the dump for

8188
06:00:11,229 --> 06:00:15,389
the next two months, I guarantee I'd have over probably 25

8189
06:00:15,389 --> 06:00:18,459
loads of junk that I would have to haul off.

8190
06:00:18,459 --> 06:00:20,459
Tires is a joke, too.

8191
06:00:20,459 --> 06:00:25,580
So all I'm saying is I'm 28 years old, I bust my butt, and

8192
06:00:25,580 --> 06:00:28,270
I really feel like trailer houses is completely off the

8193
06:00:28,270 --> 06:00:31,459
charts for what we should be doing.

8194
06:00:31,459 --> 06:00:34,819
I mean, I'm going to live here for the rest of my life, and

8195
06:00:34,819 --> 06:00:38,459
I really want it to be a nice house, not vacation village.

8196
06:00:38,459 --> 06:00:41,459
We actually have a question for you, Mr. Ellis.

8197
06:00:41,459 --> 06:00:42,459
Thank you, Chair.

8198
06:00:42,459 --> 06:00:44,459
Cody, can you tell me where it is that you live?

8199
06:00:44,459 --> 06:00:46,459
Exactly where I live?

8200
06:00:46,459 --> 06:00:47,459
What's your address?

8201
06:00:47,459 --> 06:01:00,459
589 South Trinity Road, which is right here, to be exact.

8202
06:01:00,459 --> 06:01:03,209
So there's actually a trailer house right in front of my

8203
06:01:03,209 --> 06:01:03,459
house.

8204
06:01:03,459 --> 06:01:07,139
And to bring that up, I deal with them hollering every

8205
06:01:07,139 --> 06:01:10,459
single night because they want to be drunks.

8206
06:01:10,459 --> 06:01:12,799
What is your cross street? What's your closest cross street

8207
06:01:12,799 --> 06:01:13,459
off Trinity?

8208
06:01:13,459 --> 06:01:17,639
All right, so you know where the single bridge is? On the

8209
06:01:17,639 --> 06:01:21,080
first house on the left, where the white picket fence with

8210
06:01:21,080 --> 06:01:24,970
the -- so I will tell you, though, the guns and the AR

8211
06:01:24,970 --> 06:01:27,580
stuff, believe me, they got mad at me because I had to put

8212
06:01:27,580 --> 06:01:29,459
barbed wire fence up by the bridge.

8213
06:01:29,459 --> 06:01:32,220
Because -- and they were like, why -- that's -- you know,

8214
06:01:32,220 --> 06:01:34,819
that's -- our trails -- and I said, well, they're shooting

8215
06:01:34,819 --> 06:01:37,259
straight at my house, you know, and I have cows and

8216
06:01:37,259 --> 06:01:39,459
everything, like horses, everything.

8217
06:01:39,459 --> 06:01:41,819
I mean, would you guys want AR shooting in the back behind

8218
06:01:41,819 --> 06:01:42,459
your house?

8219
06:01:42,459 --> 06:01:46,400
No. And exactly where those people are, they were gang

8220
06:01:46,400 --> 06:01:49,459
members that lived in Vacation Village, by the way.

8221
06:01:49,459 --> 06:01:52,880
Because when the cops finally did get there, it was just a

8222
06:01:52,880 --> 06:01:55,459
mess. Ask the chief of police.

8223
06:01:55,459 --> 06:01:57,779
They had to get somebody out there with dogs to find the

8224
06:01:57,779 --> 06:02:00,459
gun the next day because the guys didn't want to tell them.

8225
06:02:00,459 --> 06:02:04,459
So, I mean, it's just -- it's escalated way too much.

8226
06:02:04,459 --> 06:02:05,459
Mr. -- we have one more question.

8227
06:02:05,459 --> 06:02:06,459
Yep.

8228
06:02:06,459 --> 06:02:07,459
Mr. Sanchez.

8229
06:02:07,459 --> 06:02:10,159
I just want to mention Vacation Village and what these guys

8230
06:02:10,159 --> 06:02:12,459
are trying to do are two totally different animals.

8231
06:02:12,459 --> 06:02:14,459
Yes, completely two different things.

8232
06:02:14,459 --> 06:02:18,459
Because Vacation Village is actually people own their lot.

8233
06:02:18,459 --> 06:02:19,459
Okay.

8234
06:02:19,459 --> 06:02:22,700
And then they -- originally it started as mobile homes, but

8235
06:02:22,700 --> 06:02:25,770
a lot of people have now, if you go back in there, are

8236
06:02:25,770 --> 06:02:27,459
building homes.

8237
06:02:27,459 --> 06:02:31,020
They're getting rid of their mobile homes and putting in

8238
06:02:31,020 --> 06:02:32,459
really nice houses.

8239
06:02:32,459 --> 06:02:33,459
But actually --

8240
06:02:33,459 --> 06:02:34,459
Okay.

8241
06:02:34,459 --> 06:02:37,459
If we cannot interject, please.

8242
06:02:37,459 --> 06:02:38,459
Sorry.

8243
06:02:38,459 --> 06:02:41,459
If we cannot interject for the audience, I appreciate it.

8244
06:02:41,459 --> 06:02:42,459
Go ahead, Mr. Ogey.

8245
06:02:42,459 --> 06:02:44,459
So this property right here with all these trailers, too,

8246
06:02:44,459 --> 06:02:46,979
that's going to be what exactly he's doing right beside it,

8247
06:02:46,979 --> 06:02:47,459
right?

8248
06:02:47,459 --> 06:02:48,459
To a certain extent.

8249
06:02:48,459 --> 06:02:49,459
All right.

8250
06:02:49,459 --> 06:02:50,459
These are trailer houses.

8251
06:02:50,459 --> 06:02:54,790
He's building -- I don't know exactly what you want to call

8252
06:02:54,790 --> 06:02:55,459
them.

8253
06:02:55,459 --> 06:02:57,459
But these are trailer houses.

8254
06:02:57,459 --> 06:02:59,669
So that being the exact -- all these people that live on

8255
06:02:59,669 --> 06:03:01,830
this whole side, they literally just drive their cars right

8256
06:03:01,830 --> 06:03:03,459
across the street right there

8257
06:03:03,459 --> 06:03:04,459
and park into their trailer house.

8258
06:03:04,459 --> 06:03:06,459
Is that okay?

8259
06:03:06,459 --> 06:03:07,459
No driveways or nothing.

8260
06:03:07,459 --> 06:03:10,209
They just pull right in right there and they think that's

8261
06:03:10,209 --> 06:03:10,459
okay.

8262
06:03:10,459 --> 06:03:13,610
Right here, you can see where the trailer people have

8263
06:03:13,610 --> 06:03:16,979
literally just done burnouts and think, let's just start

8264
06:03:16,979 --> 06:03:18,459
mudding and stuff like that.

8265
06:03:18,459 --> 06:03:19,459
I guess my point was --

8266
06:03:19,459 --> 06:03:20,459
So I know.

8267
06:03:20,459 --> 06:03:21,459
My point was you can't compare --

8268
06:03:21,459 --> 06:03:24,459
In five years, what's that place going to be?

8269
06:03:24,459 --> 06:03:27,590
You're telling me when he sells it to another investor, it

8270
06:03:27,590 --> 06:03:29,459
's going to have the same rules?

8271
06:03:29,459 --> 06:03:31,459
It's not going to.

8272
06:03:31,459 --> 06:03:33,459
I mean, come on.

8273
06:03:33,459 --> 06:03:36,849
And I feel like you guys have already kind of made your

8274
06:03:36,849 --> 06:03:38,459
decision on doing it.

8275
06:03:38,459 --> 06:03:39,459
Can I ask why?

8276
06:03:39,459 --> 06:03:42,849
What's the benefit of putting that trailer house instead of

8277
06:03:42,849 --> 06:03:45,459
building houses all the way through here?

8278
06:03:45,459 --> 06:03:47,459
What's the benefit of that?

8279
06:03:47,459 --> 06:03:50,419
Is it because you guys -- because Prosper and Little Elm is

8280
06:03:50,419 --> 06:03:54,759
doing so good selling these half-million-dollar homes that

8281
06:03:54,759 --> 06:03:59,459
you guys feel like you guys need to build these $150,000

8282
06:03:59,459 --> 06:04:00,459
homes to make people have a living?

8283
06:04:00,459 --> 06:04:03,459
Is that what the goal is for Denton?

8284
06:04:03,459 --> 06:04:06,459
I mean, I'm just asking the question.

8285
06:04:06,459 --> 06:04:08,459
What is your goal for it?

8286
06:04:08,459 --> 06:04:11,209
What I was just saying is you were comparing apples and

8287
06:04:11,209 --> 06:04:13,459
oranges when you're comparing Lakewood Village to --

8288
06:04:13,459 --> 06:04:16,459
I'm comparing this five years down the road.

8289
06:04:16,459 --> 06:04:20,459
It's going to be the exact same thing.

8290
06:04:20,459 --> 06:04:23,220
And I don't know if it will be, but based on that they're

8291
06:04:23,220 --> 06:04:24,459
going to have homeowners --

8292
06:04:24,459 --> 06:04:25,459
You wouldn't want it to be, though.

8293
06:04:25,459 --> 06:04:27,509
-- based on the fact that they're going to have a

8294
06:04:27,509 --> 06:04:30,169
homeowners association and they're going to have rules is a

8295
06:04:30,169 --> 06:04:32,459
lot different from what Lakewood Village is.

8296
06:04:32,459 --> 06:04:35,689
And Lakewood Village has come a long way from what it was

8297
06:04:35,689 --> 06:04:37,459
five, 10 years ago.

8298
06:04:37,459 --> 06:04:38,459
I've seen it.

8299
06:04:38,459 --> 06:04:39,459
So what about this side?

8300
06:04:39,459 --> 06:04:41,459
No, I don't know what's going on over there.

8301
06:04:41,459 --> 06:04:42,459
On that side, I haven't been over there.

8302
06:04:42,459 --> 06:04:45,330
Because I know there's a lot of four-wheelers and a lot of

8303
06:04:45,330 --> 06:04:46,459
stuff over there.

8304
06:04:46,459 --> 06:04:48,459
That's right beside it.

8305
06:04:48,459 --> 06:04:52,790
I mean, I don't want to waste your guys' time, but I don't

8306
06:04:52,790 --> 06:04:54,459
think -- can I ask you why you guys want to do that?

8307
06:04:54,459 --> 06:04:56,459
I just would like to understand that.

8308
06:04:56,459 --> 06:04:57,459
I've lived here my whole life.

8309
06:04:57,459 --> 06:04:58,459
I certainly appreciate that.

8310
06:04:58,459 --> 06:05:01,409
What's going to happen when we close the public hearing is

8311
06:05:01,409 --> 06:05:04,810
you will hear to the best of our ability us articulate the

8312
06:05:04,810 --> 06:05:08,459
reasons and our mindset for the vote that will take place.

8313
06:05:08,459 --> 06:05:12,270
So we certainly want to let you in on how that decision

8314
06:05:12,270 --> 06:05:13,459
will be made.

8315
06:05:13,459 --> 06:05:14,459
Okay.

8316
06:05:14,459 --> 06:05:16,459
For sure.

8317
06:05:16,459 --> 06:05:18,919
I didn't know what it was, but I think it's all going to

8318
06:05:18,919 --> 06:05:19,459
help us.

8319
06:05:19,459 --> 06:05:20,459
We don't mind.

8320
06:05:20,459 --> 06:05:21,459
Absolutely.

8321
06:05:21,459 --> 06:05:24,200
If you could just state your name and address for the

8322
06:05:24,200 --> 06:05:24,459
record.

8323
06:05:24,459 --> 06:05:26,459
My name is Sunny Emory.

8324
06:05:26,459 --> 06:05:28,459
I live at 8009 Stallion Street.

8325
06:05:28,459 --> 06:05:29,459
There was two things.

8326
06:05:29,459 --> 06:05:31,619
A lot of the neighbors did a great job bringing up things I

8327
06:05:31,619 --> 06:05:32,459
had written down.

8328
06:05:32,459 --> 06:05:35,220
But one of the things I had a question about was the walk

8329
06:05:35,220 --> 06:05:37,459
path they're going to put into Ryan High.

8330
06:05:37,459 --> 06:05:39,459
I don't have a problem with the kids walking.

8331
06:05:39,459 --> 06:05:42,209
In fact, it took forever for y'all to finally put a

8332
06:05:42,209 --> 06:05:44,360
sidewalk in McKinney Street for all those kids in the

8333
06:05:44,360 --> 06:05:46,459
apartments to walk all the way down.

8334
06:05:46,459 --> 06:05:49,110
And now you say you're going to put in a walking path, but

8335
06:05:49,110 --> 06:05:51,459
they got to get across the new post oak in like 20 years

8336
06:05:51,459 --> 06:05:52,459
when it gets here.

8337
06:05:52,459 --> 06:05:55,340
But I'm thinking that's going to be the same problem about

8338
06:05:55,340 --> 06:05:58,159
people getting hit when they're crossing over McKinney

8339
06:05:58,159 --> 06:05:59,459
Street and 288.

8340
06:05:59,459 --> 06:06:01,720
So it's kind of the same situation because you're going to

8341
06:06:01,720 --> 06:06:03,459
want to and they're too close to be bus.

8342
06:06:03,459 --> 06:06:04,459
So let's just be honest.

8343
06:06:04,459 --> 06:06:06,869
And you're not going to want to give him the city pass for

8344
06:06:06,869 --> 06:06:09,330
them to get on the bus because there is a city stop already

8345
06:06:09,330 --> 06:06:11,759
over at Denton Falls for them to turn around and get right

8346
06:06:11,759 --> 06:06:12,459
back off.

8347
06:06:12,459 --> 06:06:14,459
They rather walk it because it's too much of a pain.

8348
06:06:14,459 --> 06:06:16,459
They got to be on bus time for the city.

8349
06:06:16,459 --> 06:06:18,459
So that was a big concern.

8350
06:06:18,459 --> 06:06:21,319
Being a longtime resident, basically moved here when I was

8351
06:06:21,319 --> 06:06:24,159
an itty bitty kid, lived on North Side, lived on South Side

8352
06:06:24,159 --> 06:06:24,459
.

8353
06:06:24,459 --> 06:06:26,840
My question is, y'all keep saying, well, this is what else

8354
06:06:26,840 --> 06:06:28,459
is going to be built here around it?

8355
06:06:28,459 --> 06:06:29,459
What else are we going to build?

8356
06:06:29,459 --> 06:06:31,919
We've got a mobile home park here, a manufactured home here

8357
06:06:31,919 --> 06:06:32,459
and here.

8358
06:06:32,459 --> 06:06:35,459
OK, we'll look out at Hodge, not Hodge.

8359
06:06:35,459 --> 06:06:38,229
Well, Hodge, you got Silver Dome down the street from Hodge

8360
06:06:38,229 --> 06:06:38,459
.

8361
06:06:38,459 --> 06:06:41,220
You built that whole nice little neighborhood right there

8362
06:06:41,220 --> 06:06:43,459
around Hodge Elementary like 30 years ago.

8363
06:06:43,459 --> 06:06:46,209
Over there by Geyer, you got a mobile home park around the

8364
06:06:46,209 --> 06:06:46,459
curve.

8365
06:06:46,459 --> 06:06:48,330
You built Geyer. Look, all these other homes are popping up

8366
06:06:48,330 --> 06:06:48,459
.

8367
06:06:48,459 --> 06:06:50,459
Sorry, my legs are nervous.

8368
06:06:50,459 --> 06:06:54,240
But I'm just saying, you've got Hawk Elementary, not Hawk,

8369
06:06:54,240 --> 06:06:55,459
what's the one? Nelson.

8370
06:06:55,459 --> 06:06:57,459
Nelson's sitting right there on Teasley.

8371
06:06:57,459 --> 06:06:59,459
You came in, there's a mobile home park.

8372
06:06:59,459 --> 06:07:00,459
In fact, there was two.

8373
06:07:00,459 --> 06:07:02,099
You built all those homes all up and down to Teasley right

8374
06:07:02,099 --> 06:07:02,459
there.

8375
06:07:02,459 --> 06:07:03,459
No problem.

8376
06:07:03,459 --> 06:07:05,869
You've got Teasley trails, those big, high expensive ones

8377
06:07:05,869 --> 06:07:06,459
going in.

8378
06:07:06,459 --> 06:07:09,459
So why are you saying that you need to put this over here?

8379
06:07:09,459 --> 06:07:11,090
Because this is the only place you're going to want to

8380
06:07:11,090 --> 06:07:11,459
build.

8381
06:07:11,459 --> 06:07:13,919
This is the only place that we're going to put it because

8382
06:07:13,919 --> 06:07:15,159
nobody else is going to come in between these two mobile

8383
06:07:15,159 --> 06:07:15,459
home parks.

8384
06:07:15,459 --> 06:07:18,610
But my question is over here for the developer is out by Pe

8385
06:07:18,610 --> 06:07:19,459
can Creek.

8386
06:07:19,459 --> 06:07:21,459
They had one mobile home park.

8387
06:07:21,459 --> 06:07:23,630
But look, that neighborhood area is booming like nobody

8388
06:07:23,630 --> 06:07:24,459
else's business.

8389
06:07:24,459 --> 06:07:25,459
They can't even keep up with that school.

8390
06:07:25,459 --> 06:07:27,810
You're busing kids everywhere now in the school district to

8391
06:07:27,810 --> 06:07:29,459
get that neighborhood taken care of.

8392
06:07:29,459 --> 06:07:33,520
So the question comes down is if you have duplexes or townh

8393
06:07:33,520 --> 06:07:35,459
omes coming in out there,

8394
06:07:35,459 --> 06:07:39,040
why not consider that over here at Ryan over there by those

8395
06:07:39,040 --> 06:07:40,459
mobile home parks?

8396
06:07:40,459 --> 06:07:43,259
Why not put, especially if there's going to be eventually

8397
06:07:43,259 --> 06:07:45,459
post oak going in there and you're going to have that wall.

8398
06:07:45,459 --> 06:07:48,689
I mean, you've had mobile home parks back up to Lake, was

8399
06:07:48,689 --> 06:07:51,459
it Lakewood Estates over there on Teasley?

8400
06:07:51,459 --> 06:07:55,459
And now you have, sorry, my brain is rattling.

8401
06:07:55,459 --> 06:07:57,459
You have those Oakmont Two Homes.

8402
06:07:57,459 --> 06:07:59,770
All you did was put up a big giant wall there and it kind

8403
06:07:59,770 --> 06:08:01,459
of made both sides somewhat happy.

8404
06:08:01,459 --> 06:08:04,200
So I don't know why there can't be like some other median

8405
06:08:04,200 --> 06:08:04,459
ground.

8406
06:08:04,459 --> 06:08:07,250
I mean, to be honest, homes are being sold about as fast as

8407
06:08:07,250 --> 06:08:09,459
you can get them built and done right now.

8408
06:08:09,459 --> 06:08:13,029
There's only a few areas that can do zero financing to move

8409
06:08:13,029 --> 06:08:13,459
in.

8410
06:08:13,459 --> 06:08:16,209
Why not consider that and get some of these families into

8411
06:08:16,209 --> 06:08:19,459
something like that that they can have as a life investment

8412
06:08:19,459 --> 06:08:21,740
and not just like I've got this, but I can't do anything

8413
06:08:21,740 --> 06:08:22,459
else with it.

8414
06:08:22,459 --> 06:08:25,459
I'm sorry. I talk really fast. You're OK.

8415
06:08:25,459 --> 06:08:28,360
We can certainly record those questions and we I have a lit

8416
06:08:28,360 --> 06:08:29,459
any of questions.

8417
06:08:29,459 --> 06:08:32,209
Ask the applicants. They'll be up and hopefully get those

8418
06:08:32,209 --> 06:08:32,459
questions.

8419
06:08:32,459 --> 06:08:35,180
That's all I really say was I don't know why we can't

8420
06:08:35,180 --> 06:08:36,459
consider something else there.

8421
06:08:36,459 --> 06:08:39,549
If other areas of didn't we have a major need for housing

8422
06:08:39,549 --> 06:08:40,459
in our city.

8423
06:08:40,459 --> 06:08:42,459
I mean, we can't get people into homes.

8424
06:08:42,459 --> 06:08:44,729
Maybe we need to build some homes that are a little bit

8425
06:08:44,729 --> 06:08:45,459
lower value.

8426
06:08:45,459 --> 06:08:48,209
But to say that's the only thing that's going to go there

8427
06:08:48,209 --> 06:08:50,459
because everything else around it is kind of crummy.

8428
06:08:50,459 --> 06:08:55,459
That's my opinion. I appreciate that.

8429
06:08:55,459 --> 06:08:57,459
You're more welcome to come and speak.

8430
06:08:57,459 --> 06:09:00,459
If you just say your name and address for the record.

8431
06:09:00,459 --> 06:09:02,459
I'm going to be a little bit of a

8432
06:09:02,459 --> 06:09:06,880
flash B8209 of Creek Lane. Just a couple of things to

8433
06:09:06,880 --> 06:09:07,459
reiterate is the notifications going out.

8434
06:09:07,459 --> 06:09:08,459
I've been notified.

8435
06:09:08,459 --> 06:09:12,020
The other thing I want to bring up is when you bring in all

8436
06:09:12,020 --> 06:09:16,080
these extra people in this area, have you considered the

8437
06:09:16,080 --> 06:09:16,459
schools?

8438
06:09:16,459 --> 06:09:21,459
Really? Have you really considered what's going to happen?

8439
06:09:21,459 --> 06:09:24,459
I mean, everybody right now must be blunt.

8440
06:09:24,459 --> 06:09:31,459
Stinks because it's over in a low income area right now.

8441
06:09:31,459 --> 06:09:34,459
What are you going to do to Ryan?

8442
06:09:34,459 --> 06:09:39,459
You've added Guyer to where all the rich kids go.

8443
06:09:39,459 --> 06:09:41,459
All right. Think about the schools.

8444
06:09:41,459 --> 06:09:45,459
Third thing, telephone service.

8445
06:09:45,459 --> 06:09:49,990
In Lakeview right now, I can't tell you how many times we

8446
06:09:49,990 --> 06:09:51,459
get no service.

8447
06:09:51,459 --> 06:09:54,459
There's not enough towers.

8448
06:09:54,459 --> 06:09:58,459
You add all these extra people with wireless phones.

8449
06:09:58,459 --> 06:10:00,459
You got to have more towers.

8450
06:10:00,459 --> 06:10:04,459
Who's responsible for that?

8451
06:10:04,459 --> 06:10:10,459
My son-in-law passed out at my house, couldn't breathe.

8452
06:10:10,459 --> 06:10:16,310
If I wouldn't have had a landline, I never would have got

8453
06:10:16,310 --> 06:10:17,459
through.

8454
06:10:17,459 --> 06:10:22,509
Because there's no service, because there's too many people

8455
06:10:22,509 --> 06:10:24,459
touching the tower.

8456
06:10:24,459 --> 06:10:28,459
Sorry, you add that many more people.

8457
06:10:28,459 --> 06:10:31,459
What are you going to do?

8458
06:10:31,459 --> 06:10:33,459
Thank you.

8459
06:10:33,459 --> 06:10:37,459
Thank you very much.

8460
06:10:37,459 --> 06:10:41,790
Certainly, we have one comment per person, but if you would

8461
06:10:41,790 --> 06:10:45,459
like to come ask your question, we can allow it.

8462
06:10:45,459 --> 06:10:49,459
Doug Herzog, 7909 Rodeo Drive.

8463
06:10:49,459 --> 06:10:54,310
If the first three rules of real estate investment is

8464
06:10:54,310 --> 06:10:58,689
location, location, location, and we've established in our

8465
06:10:58,689 --> 06:11:03,459
discussion that modular homes appreciate in value,

8466
06:11:03,459 --> 06:11:08,630
and manufactured homes depreciate in value, I'm thinking

8467
06:11:08,630 --> 06:11:12,849
why would a person build an appreciable asset in a

8468
06:11:12,849 --> 06:11:16,459
community with depreciating assets?

8469
06:11:16,459 --> 06:11:21,459
That sounds like a real estate investment nightmare.

8470
06:11:21,459 --> 06:11:25,020
Mr. Applicant, would you please address, in your other

8471
06:11:25,020 --> 06:11:29,849
communities like this, how many modular homes do you expect

8472
06:11:29,849 --> 06:11:31,459
to have built?

8473
06:11:31,459 --> 06:11:34,900
And if that number is low, City of Denton, is there

8474
06:11:34,900 --> 06:11:38,459
something we can do in the SUP to raise that number?

8475
06:11:38,459 --> 06:11:39,459
Thank you.

8476
06:11:39,459 --> 06:11:42,459
Appreciate that.

8477
06:11:42,459 --> 06:11:45,459
This is a public hearing.

8478
06:11:45,459 --> 06:11:51,459
Anyone wishing to speak can certainly do so.

8479
06:11:51,459 --> 06:11:55,549
So I have several cards that are in opposition not wishing

8480
06:11:55,549 --> 06:11:56,459
to speak.

8481
06:11:56,459 --> 06:11:58,459
I'm going to read the names into the record.

8482
06:11:58,459 --> 06:12:01,340
We'll see if anyone wants to speak before closing the

8483
06:12:01,340 --> 06:12:02,459
public hearing.

8484
06:12:02,459 --> 06:12:04,459
Bear with me as I try to pronounce all these names.

8485
06:12:04,459 --> 06:12:07,459
So the following names are those in opposition.

8486
06:12:07,459 --> 06:12:12,459
Larry Ashby, Gail Ashby.

8487
06:12:12,459 --> 06:12:14,459
Perfect.

8488
06:12:14,459 --> 06:12:15,459
Perfect.

8489
06:12:15,459 --> 06:12:17,459
We'll replace that one.

8490
06:12:17,459 --> 06:12:20,459
Ronald Zich.

8491
06:12:20,459 --> 06:12:21,459
Ron Basher.

8492
06:12:21,459 --> 06:12:25,459
He spoke though, did he not?

8493
06:12:25,459 --> 06:12:29,459
Janet McKentry.

8494
06:12:29,459 --> 06:12:31,459
Eric Scholl.

8495
06:12:31,459 --> 06:12:33,459
Alberta Kirk.

8496
06:12:33,459 --> 06:12:35,459
Alice Gill.

8497
06:12:35,459 --> 06:12:38,459
Scott Hinkes.

8498
06:12:38,459 --> 06:12:43,459
Jennifer Grillhest.

8499
06:12:43,459 --> 06:12:45,459
Alice Haddon.

8500
06:12:45,459 --> 06:12:47,459
Max Estes.

8501
06:12:47,459 --> 06:12:49,459
Dex Albright.

8502
06:12:49,459 --> 06:12:52,459
Chris Komen.

8503
06:12:52,459 --> 06:12:54,459
Bill McKentry.

8504
06:12:54,459 --> 06:12:59,459
And Patricia Bacioto.

8505
06:12:59,459 --> 06:13:02,459
Hopefully I didn't butcher any of those.

8506
06:13:02,459 --> 06:13:09,459
Those individuals are on record as opposed.

8507
06:13:09,459 --> 06:13:12,459
Is anyone else wanting to speak?

8508
06:13:12,459 --> 06:13:17,459
You may certainly do so.

8509
06:13:17,459 --> 06:13:29,459
Yes ma'am.

8510
06:13:29,459 --> 06:13:31,459
Can you state your name again and address?

8511
06:13:31,459 --> 06:13:34,459
Janet McKenstrie.

8512
06:13:34,459 --> 06:13:41,459
And my address is 8108 Oak Creek Lane.

8513
06:13:41,459 --> 06:13:47,740
The school bus was addressed but the schools themselves and

8514
06:13:47,740 --> 06:13:48,459
the classrooms going to be needed.

8515
06:13:48,459 --> 06:13:51,459
I understand we're going to build a brand new high school,

8516
06:13:51,459 --> 06:13:54,740
a brand new elementary school, and a brand new middle

8517
06:13:54,740 --> 06:13:55,459
school.

8518
06:13:55,459 --> 06:13:59,990
But when are those schools going to be built and are they

8519
06:13:59,990 --> 06:14:04,459
going to accommodate that area?

8520
06:14:04,459 --> 06:14:08,939
Are they going to accommodate North 288 where they're

8521
06:14:08,939 --> 06:14:10,459
building new homes?

8522
06:14:10,459 --> 06:14:14,459
That the tax structure is higher at?

8523
06:14:14,459 --> 06:14:19,669
Or are they going to overflow into our already overflowing

8524
06:14:19,669 --> 06:14:25,459
schools that that area now goes to?

8525
06:14:25,459 --> 06:14:28,459
Or this area now goes to?

8526
06:14:28,459 --> 06:14:33,459
Does anybody know the answer to that?

8527
06:14:33,459 --> 06:14:34,459
Mr. Beck.

8528
06:14:34,459 --> 06:14:35,459
If I may.

8529
06:14:35,459 --> 06:14:37,459
It's good questions.

8530
06:14:37,459 --> 06:14:40,459
But DISD is the one you want to talk to.

8531
06:14:40,459 --> 06:14:44,240
The city and DISD work together so those things are planned

8532
06:14:44,240 --> 06:14:45,459
, they're anticipated.

8533
06:14:45,459 --> 06:14:49,900
But that would be the better agency to talk to instead of

8534
06:14:49,900 --> 06:14:50,459
us.

8535
06:14:50,459 --> 06:14:51,459
Sorry.

8536
06:14:51,459 --> 06:14:54,459
But then again when you're addressing this new development.

8537
06:14:54,459 --> 06:14:55,459
Right.

8538
06:14:55,459 --> 06:14:57,459
And it's all interplayed there.

8539
06:14:57,459 --> 06:15:01,459
As the population grows, so this school.

8540
06:15:01,459 --> 06:15:04,830
But you're getting ready to dump a thousand kids or better

8541
06:15:04,830 --> 06:15:06,459
into the school system.

8542
06:15:06,459 --> 06:15:08,459
A thousand kids in 500 homes.

8543
06:15:08,459 --> 06:15:11,319
If you've got 497 homes, I guarantee you there's going to

8544
06:15:11,319 --> 06:15:12,459
be at least two children.

8545
06:15:12,459 --> 06:15:14,459
We're not necessarily going to have kids in every home.

8546
06:15:14,459 --> 06:15:15,459
But that's okay.

8547
06:15:15,459 --> 06:15:18,459
This isn't going to be a senior citizens development.

8548
06:15:18,459 --> 06:15:22,459
This is going to be a young family development.

8549
06:15:22,459 --> 06:15:24,459
So that's all I wanted to say.

8550
06:15:24,459 --> 06:15:26,459
Thank you very much for your time.

8551
06:15:26,459 --> 06:15:30,459
Thank you.

8552
06:15:30,459 --> 06:15:35,459
Anyone else wish to speak?

8553
06:15:35,459 --> 06:15:38,459
So at this time I'm going to close the public hearing.

8554
06:15:38,459 --> 06:15:41,459
The day we can discuss for a motion and discussion.

8555
06:15:41,459 --> 06:15:45,020
But before doing that, this commission has been sitting

8556
06:15:45,020 --> 06:15:46,459
here for just over five hours.

8557
06:15:46,459 --> 06:15:48,520
So I'm going to call a recess for five minutes for us to

8558
06:15:48,520 --> 06:15:49,459
stretch our legs.

8559
06:15:49,459 --> 06:15:53,459
We'll come back, finish our discussion and vote.

8560
06:15:53,459 --> 06:16:04,459
It is 1143.

8561
06:16:04,459 --> 06:16:18,959
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for letting us take a break

8562
06:16:18,959 --> 06:16:19,459
.

8563
06:16:19,459 --> 06:16:21,459
It is 1153.

8564
06:16:21,459 --> 06:16:25,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8565
06:16:25,459 --> 06:16:27,459
We had just closed the public meeting.

8566
06:16:27,459 --> 06:16:31,459
So our discussion now turns to the dais.

8567
06:16:31,459 --> 06:16:34,459
So we'll call this meeting back into order.

8568
06:16:34,459 --> 06:16:35,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8569
06:16:35,459 --> 06:16:37,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8570
06:16:37,459 --> 06:16:39,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8571
06:16:39,459 --> 06:16:40,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8572
06:16:40,459 --> 06:16:42,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8573
06:16:42,459 --> 06:16:44,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8574
06:16:44,459 --> 06:16:46,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8575
06:16:46,459 --> 06:16:48,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8576
06:16:48,459 --> 06:16:50,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8577
06:16:50,459 --> 06:16:52,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8578
06:16:52,459 --> 06:16:54,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8579
06:16:54,459 --> 06:16:56,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8580
06:16:56,459 --> 06:16:58,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8581
06:16:58,459 --> 06:17:00,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8582
06:17:00,459 --> 06:17:02,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8583
06:17:02,459 --> 06:17:04,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8584
06:17:04,459 --> 06:17:06,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8585
06:17:06,459 --> 06:17:08,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8586
06:17:08,459 --> 06:17:10,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8587
06:17:10,459 --> 06:17:12,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8588
06:17:12,459 --> 06:17:14,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8589
06:17:14,459 --> 06:17:16,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8590
06:17:16,459 --> 06:17:18,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8591
06:17:18,459 --> 06:17:20,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8592
06:17:20,459 --> 06:17:22,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8593
06:17:22,459 --> 06:17:24,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8594
06:17:24,459 --> 06:17:26,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8595
06:17:26,459 --> 06:17:28,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8596
06:17:28,459 --> 06:17:30,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8597
06:17:30,459 --> 06:17:32,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8598
06:17:32,459 --> 06:17:34,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8599
06:17:34,459 --> 06:17:36,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8600
06:17:36,459 --> 06:17:38,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8601
06:17:38,459 --> 06:17:40,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8602
06:17:40,459 --> 06:17:42,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8603
06:17:42,459 --> 06:17:44,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8604
06:17:44,459 --> 06:17:46,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8605
06:17:46,459 --> 06:17:48,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8606
06:17:48,459 --> 06:17:50,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8607
06:17:50,459 --> 06:17:52,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8608
06:17:52,459 --> 06:17:54,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8609
06:17:54,459 --> 06:17:56,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8610
06:17:56,459 --> 06:17:58,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8611
06:17:58,459 --> 06:18:00,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8612
06:18:00,459 --> 06:18:02,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8613
06:18:02,459 --> 06:18:04,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8614
06:18:04,459 --> 06:18:06,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8615
06:18:06,459 --> 06:18:08,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8616
06:18:08,459 --> 06:18:10,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8617
06:18:10,459 --> 06:18:12,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8618
06:18:12,459 --> 06:18:14,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8619
06:18:14,459 --> 06:18:16,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8620
06:18:16,459 --> 06:18:18,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8621
06:18:18,459 --> 06:18:20,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8622
06:18:20,459 --> 06:18:22,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8623
06:18:22,459 --> 06:18:24,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8624
06:18:24,459 --> 06:18:26,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8625
06:18:26,459 --> 06:18:28,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8626
06:18:28,459 --> 06:18:30,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8627
06:18:30,459 --> 06:18:32,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8628
06:18:32,459 --> 06:18:34,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8629
06:18:34,459 --> 06:18:36,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8630
06:18:36,459 --> 06:18:38,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8631
06:18:38,459 --> 06:18:40,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8632
06:18:40,459 --> 06:18:42,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8633
06:18:42,459 --> 06:18:44,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8634
06:18:44,459 --> 06:18:46,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8635
06:18:46,459 --> 06:18:48,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8636
06:18:48,459 --> 06:18:50,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8637
06:18:50,459 --> 06:18:52,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8638
06:18:52,459 --> 06:18:54,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8639
06:18:54,459 --> 06:18:56,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8640
06:18:56,459 --> 06:18:58,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8641
06:18:58,459 --> 06:19:00,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8642
06:19:00,459 --> 06:19:02,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8643
06:19:02,459 --> 06:19:04,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8644
06:19:04,459 --> 06:19:06,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8645
06:19:06,459 --> 06:19:08,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8646
06:19:08,459 --> 06:19:10,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8647
06:19:10,459 --> 06:19:12,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8648
06:19:12,459 --> 06:19:14,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8649
06:19:14,459 --> 06:19:16,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8650
06:19:16,459 --> 06:19:18,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8651
06:19:18,459 --> 06:19:20,459
We'll call this meeting back into order.

8652
06:19:20,459 --> 06:19:22,459
The city's standard ordinances,

8653
06:19:22,459 --> 06:19:24,459
if you're along an arterial roadway,

8654
06:19:24,459 --> 06:19:27,459
require thin wall screening, masonry screening.

8655
06:19:27,459 --> 06:19:29,459
It's six foot.

8656
06:19:29,459 --> 06:19:31,459
If you're along a city arterial,

8657
06:19:31,459 --> 06:19:35,459
you've got to build a six foot tall masonry wall.

8658
06:19:35,459 --> 06:19:38,459
Our obligation here is to do minimum six feet.

8659
06:19:38,459 --> 06:19:40,459
We said, "We'll bump it to eight.

8660
06:19:40,459 --> 06:19:43,459
It's more expensive, but we'll bump it to eight

8661
06:19:43,459 --> 06:19:45,459
and enhance it."

8662
06:19:45,459 --> 06:19:48,459
That's an enhancement, not trying to hide something.

8663
06:19:48,459 --> 06:19:50,459
It goes back to city code.

8664
06:19:50,459 --> 06:19:51,459
It's rare.

8665
06:19:51,459 --> 06:19:55,459
Most developments that we do, you probably see six.

8666
06:19:55,459 --> 06:19:58,459
Six is more typical because it's cheaper.

8667
06:19:58,459 --> 06:20:00,459
That's what I thought it was at first.

8668
06:20:00,459 --> 06:20:02,459
It's cheaper to do six.

8669
06:20:02,459 --> 06:20:04,459
That's what most people do.

8670
06:20:04,459 --> 06:20:06,459
Most builders do six foot.

8671
06:20:06,459 --> 06:20:08,459
Is all your landscape on the inside of that masonry fence?

8672
06:20:08,459 --> 06:20:10,459
Is there going to be any on the outside?

8673
06:20:10,459 --> 06:20:12,459
As we show it today, yes.

8674
06:20:12,459 --> 06:20:14,459
It's on the outside.

8675
06:20:14,459 --> 06:20:16,459
We're going to propose to put some on the inside too,

8676
06:20:16,459 --> 06:20:19,459
because if you do, it's not in here,

8677
06:20:19,459 --> 06:20:21,459
but I'm telling you that's what our plan is.

8678
06:20:21,459 --> 06:20:23,459
Okay, so just an ugly masonry wall.

8679
06:20:23,459 --> 06:20:24,459
There'll be some landscaping.

8680
06:20:24,459 --> 06:20:27,459
Yeah, we're obligated to do plantings that's stated in here

8681
06:20:27,459 --> 06:20:27,459
,

8682
06:20:27,459 --> 06:20:29,459
not just a promise.

8683
06:20:29,459 --> 06:20:33,459
It's stated in here that we'll have a three foot tall berm,

8684
06:20:33,459 --> 06:20:36,459
an eight foot fence, and then there's tree plantings

8685
06:20:36,459 --> 06:20:39,459
that are stated along there every 30 feet.

8686
06:20:39,459 --> 06:20:41,459
Okay, and I just want to bring that out

8687
06:20:41,459 --> 06:20:42,459
so everybody can hear that.

8688
06:20:42,459 --> 06:20:43,459
Thank you.

8689
06:20:43,459 --> 06:20:45,459
It was construction trucks.

8690
06:20:45,459 --> 06:20:48,220
I was concerned about construction trucks coming down South

8691
06:20:48,220 --> 06:20:48,459
Trinity.

8692
06:20:48,459 --> 06:20:49,459
Is that going to happen?

8693
06:20:49,459 --> 06:20:51,459
We've talked about that too.

8694
06:20:51,459 --> 06:20:53,459
Actually, we had that in our discussion Monday night

8695
06:20:53,459 --> 06:20:56,459
with some good question brought up by some citizens about,

8696
06:20:56,459 --> 06:21:00,459
but there's kind of two parts to that question.

8697
06:21:00,459 --> 06:21:03,459
We can control, when it's a development,

8698
06:21:03,459 --> 06:21:06,459
we can control where our contractors that we hire,

8699
06:21:06,459 --> 06:21:08,459
how they get to the site.

8700
06:21:08,459 --> 06:21:11,459
Talking about the stands, building the stands.

8701
06:21:11,459 --> 06:21:13,459
Building the water shorelines and the roads.

8702
06:21:13,459 --> 06:21:15,459
Okay, we pay those contractors.

8703
06:21:15,459 --> 06:21:17,459
Our client hire, selects who they are.

8704
06:21:17,459 --> 06:21:19,459
We can control how they get to the site

8705
06:21:19,459 --> 06:21:21,459
and how they access the site.

8706
06:21:21,459 --> 06:21:24,459
So that's something we can control.

8707
06:21:24,459 --> 06:21:26,459
On the other end of it, with this not being proposed

8708
06:21:26,459 --> 06:21:29,459
as a stick and brick development, what happens,

8709
06:21:29,459 --> 06:21:31,459
you can imagine how this comes together.

8710
06:21:31,459 --> 06:21:33,459
So they bring out the unit,

8711
06:21:33,459 --> 06:21:36,459
and then it's placed on the concrete pad.

8712
06:21:36,459 --> 06:21:38,459
So just think about the number of trips.

8713
06:21:38,459 --> 06:21:40,459
You've got somebody coming out to build a concrete pad,

8714
06:21:40,459 --> 06:21:41,459
and somebody bringing a unit.

8715
06:21:41,459 --> 06:21:43,459
It's two or three, four trips.

8716
06:21:43,459 --> 06:21:45,459
You may have a plumber to come hook stuff up, right?

8717
06:21:45,459 --> 06:21:46,459
So that's three or four trips.

8718
06:21:46,459 --> 06:21:50,459
Think of a traditional stick and brick home.

8719
06:21:50,459 --> 06:21:54,799
There's grading, there's rough plumbing, there's

8720
06:21:54,799 --> 06:21:55,459
foundations,

8721
06:21:55,459 --> 06:21:58,459
there's a framer, there's, I mean, just name it,

8722
06:21:58,459 --> 06:22:00,459
there's multiple stages that happen.

8723
06:22:00,459 --> 06:22:03,630
So then that's, they're coming from a lot of different

8724
06:22:03,630 --> 06:22:04,459
directions.

8725
06:22:04,459 --> 06:22:07,459
Okay, you're not going to, I guess part of where it's going

8726
06:22:07,459 --> 06:22:07,459
is

8727
06:22:07,459 --> 06:22:12,459
I don't see any of those prefab construction pieces coming

8728
06:22:12,459 --> 06:22:12,459
down,

8729
06:22:12,459 --> 06:22:15,459
trenching over that single-lane bridge.

8730
06:22:15,459 --> 06:22:16,459
That would be a bad thing.

8731
06:22:16,459 --> 06:22:17,459
Yes, sir, I don't believe any of them could fit.

8732
06:22:17,459 --> 06:22:18,459
Right.

8733
06:22:18,459 --> 06:22:19,459
I don't think it's possible.

8734
06:22:19,459 --> 06:22:21,459
I mean, that's not something y'all would control,

8735
06:22:21,459 --> 06:22:23,459
because that's the people who buy it, but I just--

8736
06:22:23,459 --> 06:22:25,009
And I think after tonight's meeting, I'm going to blow up

8737
06:22:25,009 --> 06:22:25,459
that bridge.

8738
06:22:25,459 --> 06:22:27,459
We're not going to worry about that anymore.

8739
06:22:27,459 --> 06:22:29,459
[laughter]

8740
06:22:29,459 --> 06:22:31,459
All right, you made them happy.

8741
06:22:31,459 --> 06:22:32,459
We're going to add a cul-de-sac.

8742
06:22:32,459 --> 06:22:35,459
[laughter]

8743
06:22:35,459 --> 06:22:42,720
One thing I would--you shared a couple of locations where

8744
06:22:42,720 --> 06:22:43,459
you've done this,

8745
06:22:43,459 --> 06:22:45,459
and I can get with you later on this,

8746
06:22:45,459 --> 06:22:49,459
but I would like to probably get these locations from you,

8747
06:22:49,459 --> 06:22:51,459
look at the older ones, and maybe do a site visit myself.

8748
06:22:51,459 --> 06:22:53,459
Yeah, we can give you a list.

8749
06:22:53,459 --> 06:22:54,459
Okay.

8750
06:22:54,459 --> 06:22:55,459
That's not a problem.

8751
06:22:55,459 --> 06:22:56,459
Okay.

8752
06:22:56,459 --> 06:23:00,459
And if you would just--and we touched on it--the concern

8753
06:23:00,459 --> 06:23:02,459
that property taxes

8754
06:23:02,459 --> 06:23:05,459
are going to be affected by your development,

8755
06:23:05,459 --> 06:23:08,459
it's really impact fees that pay for this development,

8756
06:23:08,459 --> 06:23:10,459
which doesn't affect current rateholders.

8757
06:23:10,459 --> 06:23:13,459
We were just talking about this today in a work session,

8758
06:23:13,459 --> 06:23:16,209
so I understand the concern there, but as property

8759
06:23:16,209 --> 06:23:16,459
taxpayers,

8760
06:23:16,459 --> 06:23:19,729
it's the impact fees that we charge the developers for

8761
06:23:19,729 --> 06:23:20,459
coming in,

8762
06:23:20,459 --> 06:23:22,459
and they're charged up front for this.

8763
06:23:22,459 --> 06:23:25,459
And it goes on--it's attached to the cost of the house,

8764
06:23:25,459 --> 06:23:28,459
so it's that buyer that pays for that.

8765
06:23:28,459 --> 06:23:32,459
It won't be passed on to the ratepayers.

8766
06:23:32,459 --> 06:23:34,459
And there's two sets of taxes.

8767
06:23:34,459 --> 06:23:37,220
There's the tax on the home, and there's the tax on the

8768
06:23:37,220 --> 06:23:37,459
land.

8769
06:23:37,459 --> 06:23:39,459
So the homeowner has a tax,

8770
06:23:39,459 --> 06:23:42,459
and then I have to pay a tax on the property as well, so--

8771
06:23:42,459 --> 06:23:43,459
Okay, somebody mentioned--

8772
06:23:43,459 --> 06:23:44,459
What's that?

8773
06:23:44,459 --> 06:23:48,689
Somebody mentioned that this--the kind of taxes y'all will

8774
06:23:48,689 --> 06:23:49,459
be responsible for

8775
06:23:49,459 --> 06:23:54,459
be personal--personal property taxes.

8776
06:23:54,459 --> 06:23:57,209
Probably the homeowner will have a real estate tax for

8777
06:23:57,209 --> 06:23:57,459
improved property

8778
06:23:57,459 --> 06:23:59,459
for putting in the utilities and the roads,

8779
06:23:59,459 --> 06:24:02,459
what the value is of that finished lot or stand.

8780
06:24:02,459 --> 06:24:03,459
Okay, so--

8781
06:24:03,459 --> 06:24:06,459
It will be taxed on the overall project,

8782
06:24:06,459 --> 06:24:09,459
whereas individual homeowners will be taxed on their home.

8783
06:24:09,459 --> 06:24:10,459
Okay.

8784
06:24:10,459 --> 06:24:11,459
Separate.

8785
06:24:11,459 --> 06:24:13,459
So you'll be taxed each year or just that one time?

8786
06:24:13,459 --> 06:24:14,459
We get taxed every year.

8787
06:24:14,459 --> 06:24:15,459
Okay, okay.

8788
06:24:15,459 --> 06:24:17,459
And then the homeowner, of course--

8789
06:24:17,459 --> 06:24:19,459
One other thing, when we're talking about taxes,

8790
06:24:19,459 --> 06:24:21,459
also we pay the city taxes,

8791
06:24:21,459 --> 06:24:24,459
but this is a gated community with private streets.

8792
06:24:24,459 --> 06:24:26,459
The city doesn't pay for the streets,

8793
06:24:26,459 --> 06:24:28,459
doesn't pay for improvements on the streets.

8794
06:24:28,459 --> 06:24:31,459
The subdivision north of us that needs work,

8795
06:24:31,459 --> 06:24:34,459
in our development, if it needs work, we have to fix it.

8796
06:24:34,459 --> 06:24:36,459
It's not a city responsibility.

8797
06:24:36,459 --> 06:24:39,459
Okay.

8798
06:24:39,459 --> 06:24:40,459
Thank you.

8799
06:24:40,459 --> 06:24:43,459
Commissioner Prunetta.

8800
06:24:43,459 --> 06:24:45,459
Yeah, just a couple of questions.

8801
06:24:45,459 --> 06:24:50,099
So one of the things that was bought up was you guys owning

8802
06:24:50,099 --> 06:24:50,459
the land

8803
06:24:50,459 --> 06:24:54,459
and charging a lease amount, right, on that one?

8804
06:24:54,459 --> 06:24:56,459
Correct.

8805
06:24:56,459 --> 06:25:01,689
What are the terms of the lease and how often do the

8806
06:25:01,689 --> 06:25:02,459
homeowners

8807
06:25:02,459 --> 06:25:05,459
lock in a rate on that for a certain period of time,

8808
06:25:05,459 --> 06:25:08,459
or is that for the length of their ownership?

8809
06:25:08,459 --> 06:25:10,459
It normally depends on your competition,

8810
06:25:10,459 --> 06:25:13,459
and our competition is the communities on each side of us,

8811
06:25:13,459 --> 06:25:15,459
which are owned by Yes Communities,

8812
06:25:15,459 --> 06:25:18,459
which is the largest owner of manufactured housing

8813
06:25:18,459 --> 06:25:18,459
developments

8814
06:25:18,459 --> 06:25:22,459
in the country, multi-billion dollar corporation.

8815
06:25:22,459 --> 06:25:24,459
So we'll have to base off whatever they're charging

8816
06:25:24,459 --> 06:25:26,459
and whatever type of leases they do.

8817
06:25:26,459 --> 06:25:30,040
So if they're-- last one I heard they were doing five-year

8818
06:25:30,040 --> 06:25:30,459
leases,

8819
06:25:30,459 --> 06:25:34,459
so I'll have to get up to date on what they're at now.

8820
06:25:34,459 --> 06:25:37,209
So based on your current model, would you say that a five-

8821
06:25:37,209 --> 06:25:37,459
year lease

8822
06:25:37,459 --> 06:25:41,459
would be what you guys would offer at the--

8823
06:25:41,459 --> 06:25:44,459
If our competition continues to do that, probably, yeah.

8824
06:25:44,459 --> 06:25:45,459
Okay.

8825
06:25:45,459 --> 06:25:47,459
Yeah, we-- it's hard to be successful

8826
06:25:47,459 --> 06:25:50,459
and be very far apart from your competition.

8827
06:25:50,459 --> 06:25:52,459
Okay.

8828
06:25:52,459 --> 06:25:56,459
The other thing, some of the property owners adjacent to

8829
06:25:56,459 --> 06:25:56,459
you,

8830
06:25:56,459 --> 06:26:02,459
we're showing pictures of runoff and basically drainage.

8831
06:26:02,459 --> 06:26:04,459
What measures have you guys taken,

8832
06:26:04,459 --> 06:26:07,459
what analysis have you guys done to ensure that--

8833
06:26:07,459 --> 06:26:09,459
I know we're not touching the ESA,

8834
06:26:09,459 --> 06:26:12,459
but in terms of what else you guys are building,

8835
06:26:12,459 --> 06:26:15,459
is there something that you guys have kind of looked into

8836
06:26:15,459 --> 06:26:18,459
to ensure that we're not flooding anybody else close by?

8837
06:26:18,459 --> 06:26:21,459
Environmentally sensitive area.

8838
06:26:21,459 --> 06:26:25,459
It's the wooded area that will remain untouched.

8839
06:26:25,459 --> 06:26:28,459
I messed up the labels, sorry.

8840
06:26:28,459 --> 06:26:33,459
Yes, that's the zoning process at this time.

8841
06:26:33,459 --> 06:26:36,459
The next step is platting.

8842
06:26:36,459 --> 06:26:38,459
We have to do-- with the platting,

8843
06:26:38,459 --> 06:26:41,540
we have to do detailed drainage studies for this whole

8844
06:26:41,540 --> 06:26:42,459
project.

8845
06:26:42,459 --> 06:26:44,459
What's coming from us from off-site,

8846
06:26:44,459 --> 06:26:48,459
where our drainage and where it leaves our project.

8847
06:26:48,459 --> 06:26:51,459
The city has a standard process that you have to do.

8848
06:26:51,459 --> 06:26:52,459
It's a downstream assessment.

8849
06:26:52,459 --> 06:26:55,459
We have to do $50,000 to $60,000 worth of engineering

8850
06:26:55,459 --> 06:26:58,459
just to determine where the drainage is going

8851
06:26:58,459 --> 06:27:02,459
and how is it adversely, if adversely,

8852
06:27:02,459 --> 06:27:04,459
impacting anybody downstream of us.

8853
06:27:04,459 --> 06:27:07,209
There's a threshold about how far you studied down the

8854
06:27:07,209 --> 06:27:07,459
creek.

8855
06:27:07,459 --> 06:27:10,459
As standard practice, it's an ordinance the city has

8856
06:27:10,459 --> 06:27:12,459
that we have to follow.

8857
06:27:12,459 --> 06:27:14,459
With our final plaque construction plans,

8858
06:27:14,459 --> 06:27:16,459
we have to determine that.

8859
06:27:16,459 --> 06:27:18,459
Most likely, in my opinion, we're going to be probably

8860
06:27:18,459 --> 06:27:22,459
having to tension on our property to ensure

8861
06:27:22,459 --> 06:27:26,459
we don't adversely impact downstream.

8862
06:27:26,459 --> 06:27:30,459
Probably on Monday night, I had spoken to a lady

8863
06:27:30,459 --> 06:27:35,459
that lives around this pond downstream of this draw.

8864
06:27:35,459 --> 06:27:37,459
We had the same conversation.

8865
06:27:37,459 --> 06:27:41,020
Just a minute ago, another gentleman who lives next to that

8866
06:27:41,020 --> 06:27:41,459
creek.

8867
06:27:41,459 --> 06:27:43,459
We have to do those things.

8868
06:27:43,459 --> 06:27:45,459
It's a standard process.

8869
06:27:45,459 --> 06:27:48,790
We can't go moving out to dirt until those drainage studies

8870
06:27:48,790 --> 06:27:49,459
are approved.

8871
06:27:49,459 --> 06:27:52,459
My gut tells me after doing this 25 years and knowing what

8872
06:27:52,459 --> 06:27:52,459
it's --

8873
06:27:52,459 --> 06:27:53,459
we're going to detain.

8874
06:27:53,459 --> 06:27:56,220
We're going to probably detain whether the report says we

8875
06:27:56,220 --> 06:27:57,459
should or shouldn't

8876
06:27:57,459 --> 06:27:59,459
because we're hearing what's going on.

8877
06:27:59,459 --> 06:28:02,459
It's better to detain and not take the risk.

8878
06:28:02,459 --> 06:28:04,459
-Okay.

8879
06:28:04,459 --> 06:28:08,459
-Mr. Sanchez.

8880
06:28:08,459 --> 06:28:13,090
-I want to talk a little bit about the value of these

8881
06:28:13,090 --> 06:28:14,459
modular homes.

8882
06:28:14,459 --> 06:28:18,630
What range are you going to be looking at as far as in

8883
06:28:18,630 --> 06:28:20,459
mobile homes?

8884
06:28:20,459 --> 06:28:23,459
I mean, there's a big difference in price, I think,

8885
06:28:23,459 --> 06:28:25,459
between a modular home and a mobile home.

8886
06:28:25,459 --> 06:28:26,459
Is that correct?

8887
06:28:26,459 --> 06:28:27,459
-Yeah.

8888
06:28:27,459 --> 06:28:32,459
There's been a lot of confusion tonight on what a home is.

8889
06:28:32,459 --> 06:28:35,459
A mobile home is what people are calling trailers

8890
06:28:35,459 --> 06:28:37,459
that were built before July 1976.

8891
06:28:37,459 --> 06:28:40,459
Then their federal standards came in on how to build a home

8892
06:28:40,459 --> 06:28:40,459
,

8893
06:28:40,459 --> 06:28:42,459
and it became a manufactured home,

8894
06:28:42,459 --> 06:28:45,459
and you had to meet these guidelines across the country.

8895
06:28:45,459 --> 06:28:47,459
So it totally changed the industry.

8896
06:28:47,459 --> 06:28:50,830
A manufactured home can be one section, two sections, three

8897
06:28:50,830 --> 06:28:51,459
sections

8898
06:28:51,459 --> 06:28:55,459
bolted together on a foundation.

8899
06:28:55,459 --> 06:28:58,459
A modular home is built in the same factory.

8900
06:28:58,459 --> 06:29:01,459
The difference is it's not set on a frame with wheels.

8901
06:29:01,459 --> 06:29:03,939
It's set on a truck, and it's brought out and it's lifted

8902
06:29:03,939 --> 06:29:04,459
with a crane.

8903
06:29:04,459 --> 06:29:08,459
On the manufactured homes, you're going to see prices from

8904
06:29:08,459 --> 06:29:10,459
the high 30s,

8905
06:29:10,459 --> 06:29:14,459
low 40s into $100,000.

8906
06:29:14,459 --> 06:29:17,459
On a modular home, you're going to see prices from $50,000

8907
06:29:17,459 --> 06:29:19,459
to multimillion-dollar homes,

8908
06:29:19,459 --> 06:29:23,459
just depending on where you are and what they're building.

8909
06:29:23,459 --> 06:29:27,020
Anything you can site-build, you can build with a modular

8910
06:29:27,020 --> 06:29:27,459
also.

8911
06:29:27,459 --> 06:29:29,459
So that's why the prices can get so high on those.

8912
06:29:29,459 --> 06:29:32,459
In this development, most of the homes you're going to see,

8913
06:29:32,459 --> 06:29:37,029
they're going to be from the 40s to 90 to 100, somewhere in

8914
06:29:37,029 --> 06:29:37,459
there.

8915
06:29:37,459 --> 06:29:40,209
You will see some above that, but most of them will be in

8916
06:29:40,209 --> 06:29:40,459
that range.

8917
06:29:40,459 --> 06:29:43,459
And since you deal somewhat with the mobile homes,

8918
06:29:43,459 --> 06:29:48,459
do you know what kind of interest rate on a new type of--

8919
06:29:48,459 --> 06:29:53,250
A lot is based on your credit, but you also have kind of

8920
06:29:53,250 --> 06:29:54,459
like a range?

8921
06:29:54,459 --> 06:29:56,459
The last I heard when I talked with Palm Harbor,

8922
06:29:56,459 --> 06:29:58,459
they were five to seven if you have good credit.

8923
06:29:58,459 --> 06:30:01,459
If you had bad credit, it was closer to 10.

8924
06:30:01,459 --> 06:30:05,400
But it's going to fluctuate with every other house interest

8925
06:30:05,400 --> 06:30:06,459
rate also.

8926
06:30:06,459 --> 06:30:10,630
And I think the VA or HUD also provides lens money for

8927
06:30:10,630 --> 06:30:11,459
mobile homes.

8928
06:30:11,459 --> 06:30:12,459
Is that correct?

8929
06:30:12,459 --> 06:30:15,459
Well, HUD would, but that's if it's tied to the property

8930
06:30:15,459 --> 06:30:17,459
and they own the property.

8931
06:30:17,459 --> 06:30:23,459
We're not doing that.

8932
06:30:23,459 --> 06:30:24,459
Christian Ellis.

8933
06:30:24,459 --> 06:30:25,459
Thank you, Chair.

8934
06:30:25,459 --> 06:30:26,459
A couple quick questions.

8935
06:30:26,459 --> 06:30:30,459
Did you meet with DISD at all?

8936
06:30:30,459 --> 06:30:33,459
No, not that I'm aware of.

8937
06:30:33,459 --> 06:30:37,459
We did not have a meeting with DSD.

8938
06:30:37,459 --> 06:30:43,220
Also, do you have a percentage of your developments that

8939
06:30:43,220 --> 06:30:44,459
you sell?

8940
06:30:44,459 --> 06:30:47,459
Of all my developments?

8941
06:30:47,459 --> 06:30:50,459
Is there an average?

8942
06:30:50,459 --> 06:30:52,459
I assume you've sold some.

8943
06:30:52,459 --> 06:30:55,330
Yeah, in the past, it depends who we partnered with at

8944
06:30:55,330 --> 06:30:56,459
different times.

8945
06:30:56,459 --> 06:30:58,869
We were partners with Robert Bass for a while and then H

8946
06:30:58,869 --> 06:30:59,459
icks Muse.

8947
06:30:59,459 --> 06:31:02,459
Right now, we have an Asian group that we're partners with.

8948
06:31:02,459 --> 06:31:03,459
They're a little different.

8949
06:31:03,459 --> 06:31:04,459
The first two like to sell things.

8950
06:31:04,459 --> 06:31:06,459
These like to hold on to things.

8951
06:31:06,459 --> 06:31:09,459
So right now, we currently don't have any plans to sell any

8952
06:31:09,459 --> 06:31:10,459
developments.

8953
06:31:10,459 --> 06:31:12,459
It depends on your investor, it sounds like.

8954
06:31:12,459 --> 06:31:15,459
Exactly.

8955
06:31:15,459 --> 06:31:16,459
Commissioner Smith.

8956
06:31:16,459 --> 06:31:23,459
Thank you, Chair.

8957
06:31:23,459 --> 06:31:26,619
Safety concerns that were brought up earlier tonight and

8958
06:31:26,619 --> 06:31:27,459
some of the things.

8959
06:31:27,459 --> 06:31:30,220
I hate it when from the DISD you come up here and you start

8960
06:31:30,220 --> 06:31:30,459
saying,

8961
06:31:30,459 --> 06:31:33,159
"All right, applicant, you're ready for some more to heap

8962
06:31:33,159 --> 06:31:35,459
onto your load of crap you got to eat now?"

8963
06:31:35,459 --> 06:31:38,619
But there's some safety concerns that have been definitely

8964
06:31:38,619 --> 06:31:39,459
brought up.

8965
06:31:39,459 --> 06:31:42,799
You guys are completely willing to bend and help work on

8966
06:31:42,799 --> 06:31:44,459
those safety concerns?

8967
06:31:44,459 --> 06:31:47,459
Yeah, they brought up the traffic concerns.

8968
06:31:47,459 --> 06:31:50,459
I understand their development wasn't built right.

8969
06:31:50,459 --> 06:31:52,459
Most people don't know it.

8970
06:31:52,459 --> 06:31:55,459
They go in and they buy their dream house.

8971
06:31:55,459 --> 06:31:57,580
Then they start finding out there's problems like they're

8972
06:31:57,580 --> 06:31:59,459
on a collector street.

8973
06:31:59,459 --> 06:32:01,689
The street isn't wide enough and it didn't have curves and

8974
06:32:01,689 --> 06:32:03,459
it didn't have sidewalk.

8975
06:32:03,459 --> 06:32:05,459
If we can help, yeah, that'd be great.

8976
06:32:05,459 --> 06:32:07,130
We want to be good neighbors and I know it doesn't sound

8977
06:32:07,130 --> 06:32:09,599
like it because we have one desire and they have a

8978
06:32:09,599 --> 06:32:10,459
different one.

8979
06:32:10,459 --> 06:32:13,409
But if there's a way to work together that helps both, then

8980
06:32:13,409 --> 06:32:14,459
we're all for it.

8981
06:32:14,459 --> 06:32:17,209
It's all the way to the point where if we make it part of a

8982
06:32:17,209 --> 06:32:18,459
restriction within the SCP.

8983
06:32:18,459 --> 06:32:21,459
Yeah, that's part of the overall deal.

8984
06:32:21,459 --> 06:32:24,459
Thank you.

8985
06:32:24,459 --> 06:32:26,459
Thank you, Chair.

8986
06:32:26,459 --> 06:32:30,020
You mentioned a while ago that you might, dealing with

8987
06:32:30,020 --> 06:32:31,869
drainage, you might have to put a detention pond in

8988
06:32:31,869 --> 06:32:32,459
somewhere.

8989
06:32:32,459 --> 06:32:34,459
Where would you put that?

8990
06:32:34,459 --> 06:32:38,139
If that's the turn we need it, it would be kind of on the

8991
06:32:38,139 --> 06:32:39,459
edge of the CSA.

8992
06:32:39,459 --> 06:32:41,459
We wouldn't get into that area.

8993
06:32:41,459 --> 06:32:46,779
But on the edge, it might cause us to have to lose some

8994
06:32:46,779 --> 06:32:47,459
units.

8995
06:32:47,459 --> 06:32:51,599
The zoning sets the maximum, but we might have to lose some

8996
06:32:51,599 --> 06:32:53,459
units there to do that.

8997
06:32:53,459 --> 06:32:55,189
Okay, so right now you don't know if you're going to have

8998
06:32:55,189 --> 06:32:56,459
to, but if you do, that would be?

8999
06:32:56,459 --> 06:32:59,459
No, and that's typical though at this stage at zoning

9000
06:32:59,459 --> 06:33:05,099
because we've done a lot over two years with different

9001
06:33:05,099 --> 06:33:07,459
studies and worked with Michael.

9002
06:33:07,459 --> 06:33:10,939
So you've got to get through zoning before you get too far

9003
06:33:10,939 --> 06:33:12,459
at the engineering.

9004
06:33:12,459 --> 06:33:15,220
But we have to give some of the indication and study it

9005
06:33:15,220 --> 06:33:17,630
initially to have a general idea of what we think it's

9006
06:33:17,630 --> 06:33:18,459
going to be.

9007
06:33:18,459 --> 06:33:22,889
But my gut tells me we do 60,000 articles of studies that's

9008
06:33:22,889 --> 06:33:25,459
going to say detain and we'll detain.

9009
06:33:25,459 --> 06:33:26,459
Okay.

9010
06:33:26,459 --> 06:33:30,049
Let me raise one concern that I just honestly discovered in

9011
06:33:30,049 --> 06:33:32,459
the public hearing, didn't it in the work session.

9012
06:33:32,459 --> 06:33:34,459
If I missed it in there, shame on me.

9013
06:33:34,459 --> 06:33:39,459
But these people aren't owning a lot of land.

9014
06:33:39,459 --> 06:33:41,459
Y'all will own that.

9015
06:33:41,459 --> 06:33:43,459
They'll just own the house on it.

9016
06:33:43,459 --> 06:33:48,369
And it seems to me that's kind of a rental arrangement

9017
06:33:48,369 --> 06:33:49,459
almost.

9018
06:33:49,459 --> 06:33:55,169
And it bothers me that, you know, it just seems like there

9019
06:33:55,169 --> 06:33:59,569
's that element there that would hold them there longer if

9020
06:33:59,569 --> 06:34:01,459
they own the land along with the home.

9021
06:34:01,459 --> 06:34:03,459
But not doing that, it does.

9022
06:34:03,459 --> 06:34:07,220
I can see the concern that, you know, they would not get

9023
06:34:07,220 --> 06:34:10,849
back the value that they put into their house or if they

9024
06:34:10,849 --> 06:34:14,740
wanted to move the house, you know, then you have that

9025
06:34:14,740 --> 06:34:15,459
issue.

9026
06:34:15,459 --> 06:34:20,459
So should I be concerned?

9027
06:34:20,459 --> 06:34:21,459
And if not, why?

9028
06:34:21,459 --> 06:34:22,459
It depends.

9029
06:34:22,459 --> 06:34:26,020
You know, we've had one commissioner and a couple of the

9030
06:34:26,020 --> 06:34:30,080
people in the audience talk about that they have lived in a

9031
06:34:30,080 --> 06:34:32,459
manufactured home or a mobile home in the past.

9032
06:34:32,459 --> 06:34:36,400
And they've moved up now into, quote, a real home or a

9033
06:34:36,400 --> 06:34:39,459
stick-built home, site-built home.

9034
06:34:39,459 --> 06:34:40,459
It is a way to move up.

9035
06:34:40,459 --> 06:34:42,459
I know a lot of people don't believe it.

9036
06:34:42,459 --> 06:34:47,110
But if you think about the situation, if you compare two

9037
06:34:47,110 --> 06:34:51,970
families and one is buying a manufactured home and renting

9038
06:34:51,970 --> 06:34:56,750
a lot, and one is renting an apartment, after 15 years, let

9039
06:34:56,750 --> 06:35:00,459
's say on the financing, that manufactured home is paid off.

9040
06:35:00,459 --> 06:35:02,459
Is it worth more or worth less?

9041
06:35:02,459 --> 06:35:04,459
Well, I don't know.

9042
06:35:04,459 --> 06:35:05,459
You don't know.

9043
06:35:05,459 --> 06:35:07,459
No one knows until they sell it.

9044
06:35:07,459 --> 06:35:09,459
But they get something.

9045
06:35:09,459 --> 06:35:11,459
You live in that apartment 15 years.

9046
06:35:11,459 --> 06:35:13,459
Are you lease a house for 15 years?

9047
06:35:13,459 --> 06:35:16,880
At the end of the 15 years, the landlord doesn't give you a

9048
06:35:16,880 --> 06:35:17,459
check.

9049
06:35:17,459 --> 06:35:21,459
They don't say thanks and here's some equity back.

9050
06:35:21,459 --> 06:35:23,459
You know, so yeah, do they own the whole thing?

9051
06:35:23,459 --> 06:35:24,459
No.

9052
06:35:24,459 --> 06:35:26,459
They own everything above the ground.

9053
06:35:26,459 --> 06:35:29,880
But the dirt itself, the pad site, the utilities in the

9054
06:35:29,880 --> 06:35:32,459
ground, we own that and we lease that.

9055
06:35:32,459 --> 06:35:36,029
Well, where I was going with that and what bothers me is it

9056
06:35:36,029 --> 06:35:39,590
does, you know, you can put a comparison there of multif

9057
06:35:39,590 --> 06:35:41,459
amily homes and renting.

9058
06:35:41,459 --> 06:35:46,159
In this situation here, again, there's that element that's

9059
06:35:46,159 --> 06:35:50,610
the loss of staying there longer, for lack of a better term

9060
06:35:50,610 --> 06:35:55,069
, where if you own the land plus the house, there's more of

9061
06:35:55,069 --> 06:35:58,459
an inclination to stay there and lock in there.

9062
06:35:58,459 --> 06:36:03,479
So I do understand the concern that this place could go

9063
06:36:03,479 --> 06:36:06,459
downhill as a result of that.

9064
06:36:06,459 --> 06:36:09,279
And that's one of the reasons why I asked for some of your

9065
06:36:09,279 --> 06:36:12,459
locations where I'd like to actually personally go see.

9066
06:36:12,459 --> 06:36:14,770
And everybody needs to understand here whatever decision we

9067
06:36:14,770 --> 06:36:15,459
make tonight.

9068
06:36:15,459 --> 06:36:16,459
It's not the final one.

9069
06:36:16,459 --> 06:36:19,459
If it's not the one you like, it goes to city council.

9070
06:36:19,459 --> 06:36:21,459
So just so you understand that.

9071
06:36:21,459 --> 06:36:23,459
So there's still time to pick at this.

9072
06:36:23,459 --> 06:36:26,459
I expect to see them and all their friends.

9073
06:36:26,459 --> 06:36:28,459
We'll give them warning.

9074
06:36:28,459 --> 06:36:31,459
All right. Thank you.

9075
06:36:31,459 --> 06:36:33,459
So we have no other questions.

9076
06:36:33,459 --> 06:36:36,750
The only one I had, I've been trying to jot down as much as

9077
06:36:36,750 --> 06:36:38,459
I can from everyone here.

9078
06:36:38,459 --> 06:36:40,459
And I have a lot of questions for Cindy.

9079
06:36:40,459 --> 06:36:43,540
But one that I haven't heard that I just want to get on the

9080
06:36:43,540 --> 06:36:46,459
record was an issue about stacking the parking.

9081
06:36:46,459 --> 06:36:48,459
Someone asked how long a car was.

9082
06:36:48,459 --> 06:36:51,900
Can you let me know or let everyone know the driveway is 20

9083
06:36:51,900 --> 06:36:52,459
feet?

9084
06:36:52,459 --> 06:36:54,459
Is there going to be garages, carports?

9085
06:36:54,459 --> 06:36:57,220
Can you tell us a little bit about how cars are going to

9086
06:36:57,220 --> 06:36:58,459
park on the property?

9087
06:36:58,459 --> 06:37:03,310
So there'll be a driveway that's 20 feet, that's 20 feet

9088
06:37:03,310 --> 06:37:06,459
deep for two cars in front of each unit.

9089
06:37:06,459 --> 06:37:11,459
As far as garages, I mean it's --

9090
06:37:11,459 --> 06:37:14,459
Garages or carports are up to the homebuyer.

9091
06:37:14,459 --> 06:37:17,459
They can be added to any of the houses there.

9092
06:37:17,459 --> 06:37:20,459
You want to address the street widths also and stuff?

9093
06:37:20,459 --> 06:37:23,459
So the street widths, they're public streets.

9094
06:37:23,459 --> 06:37:25,459
So the pavement's 31 foot back to back.

9095
06:37:25,459 --> 06:37:29,740
We've went ahead and made the wider -- City of Denton's

9096
06:37:29,740 --> 06:37:32,459
gone to 31 feet from 28.

9097
06:37:32,459 --> 06:37:35,459
So they're -- but we went ahead and made the wider streets

9098
06:37:35,459 --> 06:37:41,459
that the city's adopted, but they are private streets.

9099
06:37:41,459 --> 06:37:42,459
Perfect.

9100
06:37:42,459 --> 06:37:45,459
And the 20 feet, that is city code for two cars, correct?

9101
06:37:45,459 --> 06:37:47,619
That's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9102
06:37:47,619 --> 06:37:48,459
across the city.

9103
06:37:48,459 --> 06:37:51,540
We do a lot of other just traditional single-family in Dent

9104
06:37:51,540 --> 06:37:53,459
on is 20 feet and in our city.

9105
06:37:53,459 --> 06:37:55,659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9106
06:37:55,659 --> 06:37:56,459
across the city.

9107
06:37:56,459 --> 06:37:58,659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9108
06:37:58,659 --> 06:37:59,459
across the city.

9109
06:37:59,459 --> 06:38:01,659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9110
06:38:01,659 --> 06:38:02,459
across the city.

9111
06:38:02,459 --> 06:38:04,659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9112
06:38:04,659 --> 06:38:05,459
across the city.

9113
06:38:05,459 --> 06:38:07,659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9114
06:38:07,659 --> 06:38:08,459
across the city.

9115
06:38:08,459 --> 06:38:10,659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9116
06:38:10,659 --> 06:38:11,459
across the city.

9117
06:38:11,459 --> 06:38:13,659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9118
06:38:13,659 --> 06:38:14,459
across the city.

9119
06:38:14,459 --> 06:38:16,659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9120
06:38:16,659 --> 06:38:17,459
across the city.

9121
06:38:17,459 --> 06:38:19,659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9122
06:38:19,659 --> 06:38:20,459
across the city.

9123
06:38:20,459 --> 06:38:22,659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9124
06:38:22,659 --> 06:38:23,459
across the city.

9125
06:38:23,459 --> 06:38:25,659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9126
06:38:25,659 --> 06:38:26,459
across the city.

9127
06:38:26,459 --> 06:38:28,659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9128
06:38:28,659 --> 06:38:29,459
across the city.

9129
06:38:29,459 --> 06:38:31,659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9130
06:38:31,659 --> 06:38:32,459
across the city.

9131
06:38:32,459 --> 06:38:34,659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9132
06:38:34,659 --> 06:38:35,459
across the city.

9133
06:38:35,459 --> 06:38:37,659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9134
06:38:37,659 --> 06:38:38,459
across the city.

9135
06:38:38,459 --> 06:38:40,659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9136
06:38:40,659 --> 06:38:41,459
across the city.

9137
06:38:41,459 --> 06:38:43,659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9138
06:38:43,659 --> 06:38:44,459
across the city.

9139
06:38:44,459 --> 06:38:46,659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9140
06:38:46,659 --> 06:38:47,459
across the city.

9141
06:38:47,459 --> 06:38:49,659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9142
06:38:49,659 --> 06:38:50,459
across the city.

9143
06:38:50,459 --> 06:38:52,659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9144
06:38:52,659 --> 06:38:53,459
across the city.

9145
06:38:53,459 --> 06:38:55,659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9146
06:38:55,659 --> 06:38:56,459
across the city.

9147
06:38:56,459 --> 06:38:58,659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9148
06:38:58,659 --> 06:38:59,459
across the city.

9149
06:38:59,459 --> 06:39:01,659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9150
06:39:01,659 --> 06:39:02,459
across the city.

9151
06:39:02,459 --> 06:39:04,659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9152
06:39:04,659 --> 06:39:05,459
across the city.

9153
06:39:05,459 --> 06:39:07,659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9154
06:39:07,659 --> 06:39:08,459
across the city.

9155
06:39:08,459 --> 06:39:10,659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9156
06:39:10,659 --> 06:39:11,459
across the city.

9157
06:39:11,459 --> 06:39:13,659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9158
06:39:13,659 --> 06:39:14,459
across the city.

9159
06:39:14,459 --> 06:39:16,659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9160
06:39:16,659 --> 06:39:17,459
across the city.

9161
06:39:17,459 --> 06:39:19,659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9162
06:39:19,659 --> 06:39:20,459
across the city.

9163
06:39:20,459 --> 06:39:22,659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9164
06:39:22,659 --> 06:39:23,459
across the city.

9165
06:39:23,459 --> 06:39:25,659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9166
06:39:25,659 --> 06:39:26,459
across the city.

9167
06:39:26,459 --> 06:39:28,659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9168
06:39:28,659 --> 06:39:29,459
across the city.

9169
06:39:29,459 --> 06:39:31,659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9170
06:39:31,659 --> 06:39:32,459
across the city.

9171
06:39:32,459 --> 06:39:34,659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9172
06:39:34,659 --> 06:39:35,459
across the city.

9173
06:39:35,459 --> 06:39:37,659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9174
06:39:37,659 --> 06:39:38,459
across the city.

9175
06:39:38,459 --> 06:39:40,659
So that's the setback for garages on single-family homes

9176
06:39:40,659 --> 06:39:41,459
across the city.

9177
06:39:41,459 --> 06:39:44,459
And I think that's a good question.

9178
06:39:44,459 --> 06:39:45,180
I mean, when I first came on three years ago, there was a

9179
06:39:45,180 --> 06:39:45,459
big problem.

9180
06:39:45,459 --> 06:39:47,459
The signs are bigger.

9181
06:39:47,459 --> 06:39:49,459
The mailings are different.

9182
06:39:49,459 --> 06:39:51,459
They used to just go to the property owner.

9183
06:39:51,459 --> 06:39:54,889
So if that property owner leased it, that individual wouldn

9184
06:39:54,889 --> 06:39:56,459
't get the information.

9185
06:39:56,459 --> 06:40:01,459
The guy who owned it in some other county would.

9186
06:40:01,459 --> 06:40:05,459
And that raises the issue here.

9187
06:40:05,459 --> 06:40:07,459
And I know this isn't going to be what you want to hear.

9188
06:40:07,459 --> 06:40:11,599
But what we're looking at, most of you live in Lakeland

9189
06:40:11,599 --> 06:40:13,459
Village, is that it?

9190
06:40:13,459 --> 06:40:15,459
Lakeview Village.

9191
06:40:15,459 --> 06:40:18,459
Ranch, thank you, sorry.

9192
06:40:18,459 --> 06:40:19,459
Where's it been?

9193
06:40:19,459 --> 06:40:20,459
I've been through there.

9194
06:40:20,459 --> 06:40:21,459
I've been through there.

9195
06:40:21,459 --> 06:40:22,459
I used to work for David Weekly Homes.

9196
06:40:22,459 --> 06:40:24,459
And one time we thought we were going to build in there,

9197
06:40:24,459 --> 06:40:25,459
and they didn't do it.

9198
06:40:25,459 --> 06:40:30,250
But anyway, you all are outside of the limit that when we

9199
06:40:30,250 --> 06:40:31,459
look at something,

9200
06:40:31,459 --> 06:40:34,459
we look at this area that's in the immediacy of it.

9201
06:40:34,459 --> 06:40:38,459
Now, we understand that it can still impact other areas.

9202
06:40:38,459 --> 06:40:40,459
And we look at that, we're concerned about the traffic,

9203
06:40:40,459 --> 06:40:42,459
about drainage and stuff like that.

9204
06:40:42,459 --> 06:40:44,459
That has to be addressed as we move along.

9205
06:40:44,459 --> 06:40:47,860
If we approve this thing tonight, it will come back and we

9206
06:40:47,860 --> 06:40:49,459
'll review the site plan.

9207
06:40:49,459 --> 06:40:52,439
And we'll make sure that drainage and roads and all those

9208
06:40:52,439 --> 06:40:54,459
things are addressed in a second.

9209
06:40:54,459 --> 06:40:57,459
So that's what we're looking at.

9210
06:40:57,459 --> 06:41:03,709
We're kind of confined by the area that this development is

9211
06:41:03,709 --> 06:41:06,459
going to directly impact.

9212
06:41:06,459 --> 06:41:09,299
And you all are sitting just outside of that, even though

9213
06:41:09,299 --> 06:41:14,459
you'll be affected to some degree on some levels.

9214
06:41:14,459 --> 06:41:17,459
If I can ask legal to interject here.

9215
06:41:17,459 --> 06:41:20,459
Yeah, I was just going to point out that the notifications

9216
06:41:20,459 --> 06:41:23,779
go out to the address that's shown on the most recently

9217
06:41:23,779 --> 06:41:25,459
approved municipal tax rules.

9218
06:41:25,459 --> 06:41:28,459
So that's not going to include ETJ property.

9219
06:41:28,459 --> 06:41:31,459
That's going to be the property within the city.

9220
06:41:31,459 --> 06:41:34,459
And it's going to be the most recent address.

9221
06:41:34,459 --> 06:41:37,459
It's on the most recently approved municipal tax rules.

9222
06:41:37,459 --> 06:41:44,180
So if it goes to a different address, it may be because the

9223
06:41:44,180 --> 06:41:47,459
tax office says it wrong.

9224
06:41:47,459 --> 06:41:52,459
Mr. Burnetta, what's your name?

9225
06:41:52,459 --> 06:41:58,459
Chair, may I bring Brian up to Mr. Fletcher?

9226
06:41:58,459 --> 06:42:02,459
You'll need to come to the mic.

9227
06:42:02,459 --> 06:42:06,459
Which one? Sure.

9228
06:42:06,459 --> 06:42:09,349
So anything that shades, we send notifications and the

9229
06:42:09,349 --> 06:42:10,459
register marker.

9230
06:42:10,459 --> 06:42:15,459
Well, actually, we sent notifications inside the blue line.

9231
06:42:15,459 --> 06:42:19,459
The blue line is 500 feet and the red line is 200.

9232
06:42:19,459 --> 06:42:24,459
The shading or those are the people who sent in responses.

9233
06:42:24,459 --> 06:42:27,459
OK, thank you.

9234
06:42:27,459 --> 06:42:30,459
Commissioner Burnetta.

9235
06:42:30,459 --> 06:42:33,240
So I just wanted to clarify. So the red is within 200 feet

9236
06:42:33,240 --> 06:42:34,459
of the area, right?

9237
06:42:34,459 --> 06:42:37,459
So that's roughly like 65 yards.

9238
06:42:37,459 --> 06:42:40,549
I don't know if anybody plays golf, but that's a chip shot

9239
06:42:40,549 --> 06:42:41,459
pretty much.

9240
06:42:41,459 --> 06:42:44,459
It's basically something that's across the street.

9241
06:42:44,459 --> 06:42:49,819
So that's the area that gets certified. Anything within the

9242
06:42:49,819 --> 06:42:50,459
blue got a postcard, correct?

9243
06:42:50,459 --> 06:42:52,459
Got a postcard sent to the property address.

9244
06:42:52,459 --> 06:42:55,459
Within the red, it was sent to the property owner.

9245
06:42:55,459 --> 06:43:01,220
So from the yellow line, which is the subject site, to the

9246
06:43:01,220 --> 06:43:02,459
blue line,

9247
06:43:02,459 --> 06:43:06,459
postcards were sent to property addresses.

9248
06:43:06,459 --> 06:43:09,950
So that there's an occupant in there that the site is being

9249
06:43:09,950 --> 06:43:11,459
leased or rented,

9250
06:43:11,459 --> 06:43:14,459
the occupant would get it.

9251
06:43:14,459 --> 06:43:19,919
Anyone within this red area, it was a certified letter that

9252
06:43:19,919 --> 06:43:22,459
went to the property owner.

9253
06:43:22,459 --> 06:43:26,619
And a postcard. And based on what I'm looking at here, I'd

9254
06:43:26,619 --> 06:43:28,459
say the majority of the residents here

9255
06:43:28,459 --> 06:43:31,209
are probably about three quarters of a mile from the

9256
06:43:31,209 --> 06:43:33,459
property that we're looking at.

9257
06:43:33,459 --> 06:43:38,520
So that would account for them not feeling like they were

9258
06:43:38,520 --> 06:43:40,459
notified.

9259
06:43:40,459 --> 06:43:44,459
I'm going to check into that tomorrow to verify.

9260
06:43:44,459 --> 06:43:49,389
But it kind of looks like some of them were outside of the

9261
06:43:49,389 --> 06:43:51,459
limit at this time.

9262
06:43:51,459 --> 06:43:57,459
Excellent. Thank you very much.

9263
06:43:57,459 --> 06:43:58,459
Yes, Mr. Bagg.

9264
06:43:58,459 --> 06:43:59,459
Real quick. Thanks, Chair.

9265
06:43:59,459 --> 06:44:03,459
The signs, are they within the 200 or the 500 foot?

9266
06:44:03,459 --> 06:44:05,459
The signs are on the property.

9267
06:44:05,459 --> 06:44:08,459
On the property itself, okay.

9268
06:44:08,459 --> 06:44:17,459
Right. They are signs were put here and here and here.

9269
06:44:17,459 --> 06:44:19,459
Okay. Thank you.

9270
06:44:19,459 --> 06:44:22,200
So you have a couple of questions that haven't been

9271
06:44:22,200 --> 06:44:22,459
addressed yet,

9272
06:44:22,459 --> 06:44:24,459
but I just want to make sure we cover.

9273
06:44:24,459 --> 06:44:26,529
The first thing, an individual brought up the lift station

9274
06:44:26,529 --> 06:44:27,459
and infrastructure.

9275
06:44:27,459 --> 06:44:30,459
Can you tell me about the process of looking at

9276
06:44:30,459 --> 06:44:34,459
infrastructure's capacity for a project like this?

9277
06:44:34,459 --> 06:44:38,590
I know that's part of the engineering and I'm sorry, I don

9278
06:44:38,590 --> 06:44:39,459
't know very much about it.

9279
06:44:39,459 --> 06:44:41,330
That's typically something that's covered by the

9280
06:44:41,330 --> 06:44:42,459
engineering department.

9281
06:44:42,459 --> 06:44:43,459
Sure.

9282
06:44:43,459 --> 06:44:48,880
However, it is something that is looked at at the time of

9283
06:44:48,880 --> 06:44:50,459
permitting.

9284
06:44:50,459 --> 06:44:52,459
Okay.

9285
06:44:52,459 --> 06:44:57,459
Actually, plotting is when the infrastructure is looked at.

9286
06:44:57,459 --> 06:44:59,459
And I know with this particular site,

9287
06:44:59,459 --> 06:45:02,610
the applicant has already said he expects to have to

9288
06:45:02,610 --> 06:45:04,459
improve the lift station.

9289
06:45:04,459 --> 06:45:05,459
Okay. Perfect.

9290
06:45:05,459 --> 06:45:08,819
The other question that was brought up a couple of times in

9291
06:45:08,819 --> 06:45:09,459
this one,

9292
06:45:09,459 --> 06:45:13,400
if you could provide some historicity to it, the zoning to

9293
06:45:13,400 --> 06:45:16,459
the west was NR2.

9294
06:45:16,459 --> 06:45:19,619
Can you tell me anything you know about why that was NR2 or

9295
06:45:19,619 --> 06:45:22,459
the process in which that became NR2?

9296
06:45:22,459 --> 06:45:29,459
That became NR2 in 2002 during the citywide rezoning. As to

9297
06:45:29,459 --> 06:45:29,459
why,

9298
06:45:29,459 --> 06:45:34,630
the only thing I can think of is that they matched it to

9299
06:45:34,630 --> 06:45:38,619
future land use designation and not what the use was on the

9300
06:45:38,619 --> 06:45:39,459
ground.

9301
06:45:39,459 --> 06:45:42,720
Is it considered a nonconforming use right now? Is it

9302
06:45:42,720 --> 06:45:43,459
exempted?

9303
06:45:43,459 --> 06:45:46,459
Yes, it is.

9304
06:45:46,459 --> 06:45:48,459
Maybe not.

9305
06:45:48,459 --> 06:45:54,459
There's a provision in the code that if a mobile home park

9306
06:45:54,459 --> 06:45:55,459
was legal,

9307
06:45:55,459 --> 06:45:58,599
which this one most likely would have been because it was

9308
06:45:58,599 --> 06:45:59,459
annexed in.

9309
06:45:59,459 --> 06:46:03,650
So if it was legal on the date of when this code was, the

9310
06:46:03,650 --> 06:46:05,459
2002 code was adopted,

9311
06:46:05,459 --> 06:46:11,459
it was automatically granted SUP status.

9312
06:46:11,459 --> 06:46:12,459
Special exception.

9313
06:46:12,459 --> 06:46:14,459
I'm sorry, special exception.

9314
06:46:14,459 --> 06:46:19,689
It's the initial adoption of the 2002 Dental Development

9315
06:46:19,689 --> 06:46:21,459
Code and the rezoning at that time.

9316
06:46:21,459 --> 06:46:25,459
If the initial adoption made any existing use illegal,

9317
06:46:25,459 --> 06:46:32,880
it would be granted special exception status for being a

9318
06:46:32,880 --> 06:46:34,459
legal use.

9319
06:46:34,459 --> 06:46:35,459
Perfect. Thank you for the explanation.

9320
06:46:35,459 --> 06:46:39,020
The last thing I have, and I think this might just tip off

9321
06:46:39,020 --> 06:46:41,459
the discussion towards a vote,

9322
06:46:41,459 --> 06:46:46,459
but it's the thought of speed mitigation.

9323
06:46:46,459 --> 06:46:50,459
It's been brought up about what can be done.

9324
06:46:50,459 --> 06:46:54,659
The overwhelming thing that I've taken away from this is it

9325
06:46:54,659 --> 06:46:58,459
's Lakeview Speedway and it's terrible.

9326
06:46:58,459 --> 06:47:02,950
And so I would like to entertain a discussion about what

9327
06:47:02,950 --> 06:47:06,669
can be done without overburdening a developer that's a mile

9328
06:47:06,669 --> 06:47:07,459
away.

9329
06:47:07,459 --> 06:47:09,459
So I don't know the options.

9330
06:47:09,459 --> 06:47:11,459
I know Mr. Smith has brought that up.

9331
06:47:11,459 --> 06:47:13,459
We had a thumbs up earlier from it.

9332
06:47:13,459 --> 06:47:14,459
I don't know what the city can do.

9333
06:47:14,459 --> 06:47:19,459
But as we look towards a vote with a litany of conditions,

9334
06:47:19,459 --> 06:47:23,400
I don't know, and this would be legal or what we can do in

9335
06:47:23,400 --> 06:47:26,459
terms of mitigating on a separate property.

9336
06:47:26,459 --> 06:47:31,000
With this particular project, the applicant has pretty much

9337
06:47:31,000 --> 06:47:35,459
steered all the traffic away from Trinity and Lakeview.

9338
06:47:35,459 --> 06:47:43,340
We can't -- If we could maintain order in the -- We can't

9339
06:47:43,340 --> 06:47:46,459
require the applicant to improve offsite.

9340
06:47:46,459 --> 06:47:53,389
However, what can be done is talking to the transportation

9341
06:47:53,389 --> 06:47:57,459
engineer and making him aware of the situation.

9342
06:47:57,459 --> 06:48:01,099
I know that he's in the process of amending the mobility

9343
06:48:01,099 --> 06:48:04,459
plan and looking to see where roads need to be improved.

9344
06:48:04,459 --> 06:48:10,459
And this may be one that he needs to look at as well.

9345
06:48:10,459 --> 06:48:11,459
Okay.

9346
06:48:11,459 --> 06:48:13,459
Commissioner Pernitta.

9347
06:48:13,459 --> 06:48:15,490
Yeah, I just wanted to circle back real quick on the

9348
06:48:15,490 --> 06:48:16,459
special exception.

9349
06:48:16,459 --> 06:48:20,220
Is that transferable or is that simply for whoever -- for

9350
06:48:20,220 --> 06:48:21,459
the current owner?

9351
06:48:21,459 --> 06:48:25,459
And would that exception expire if that property was sold?

9352
06:48:25,459 --> 06:48:28,279
The exception -- Wouldn't it expire if it were vacant for

9353
06:48:28,279 --> 06:48:29,459
six months like age?

9354
06:48:29,459 --> 06:48:33,400
Well, first of all, again, it's SUP, not a special

9355
06:48:33,400 --> 06:48:34,459
exception.

9356
06:48:34,459 --> 06:48:39,810
But the -- It's not an issue of -- It's an expiration if it

9357
06:48:39,810 --> 06:48:41,459
's not built.

9358
06:48:41,459 --> 06:48:44,840
That's the provision that's in the -- The property to the

9359
06:48:44,840 --> 06:48:45,459
west.

9360
06:48:45,459 --> 06:48:46,459
I'm sorry?

9361
06:48:46,459 --> 06:48:48,459
The property to the west that's NR2.

9362
06:48:48,459 --> 06:48:50,459
That's what Commissioner Pernitta's talking about.

9363
06:48:50,459 --> 06:48:51,459
I'm sorry.

9364
06:48:51,459 --> 06:48:52,459
Yeah, the NR2.

9365
06:48:52,459 --> 06:48:53,459
Could you restate the question?

9366
06:48:53,459 --> 06:48:54,459
Oh, the NR2.

9367
06:48:54,459 --> 06:48:59,680
The mobile home park that's right next to the high school,

9368
06:48:59,680 --> 06:49:03,459
which is in an NR2, but it has a special exception?

9369
06:49:03,459 --> 06:49:05,459
You're asking if the special exception expires?

9370
06:49:05,459 --> 06:49:06,459
It does not.

9371
06:49:06,459 --> 06:49:07,459
Okay.

9372
06:49:07,459 --> 06:49:08,459
Thank you.

9373
06:49:08,459 --> 06:49:09,459
No.

9374
06:49:09,459 --> 06:49:10,459
Commissioner Smith.

9375
06:49:10,459 --> 06:49:11,459
Hey, Chair.

9376
06:49:11,459 --> 06:49:13,459
Just two questions.

9377
06:49:13,459 --> 06:49:18,459
One, Commissioner Rossell mentioned the speed mitigation,

9378
06:49:18,459 --> 06:49:21,459
so you don't think that we can -- if I get clarification --

9379
06:49:21,459 --> 06:49:22,459
we don't think we can make that a requirement.

9380
06:49:22,459 --> 06:49:27,459
We'd only direct the Transportation Director to look at it.

9381
06:49:27,459 --> 06:49:30,459
That's my recommendation.

9382
06:49:30,459 --> 06:49:34,459
Improvements that are offsite are based on proportionality.

9383
06:49:34,459 --> 06:49:35,459
Of course.

9384
06:49:35,459 --> 06:49:38,459
And based on the TIA.

9385
06:49:38,459 --> 06:49:43,720
And the TIA is saying that most of the -- If I am correct,

9386
06:49:43,720 --> 06:49:49,459
the TIA is saying that the impact isn't going to be there?

9387
06:49:49,459 --> 06:49:50,459
Yeah.

9388
06:49:50,459 --> 06:49:52,459
That's in discussion --

9389
06:49:52,459 --> 06:49:54,459
You can come to the mic.

9390
06:49:54,459 --> 06:49:57,200
That's in discussion with our engineer and the city's

9391
06:49:57,200 --> 06:49:57,459
engineer.

9392
06:49:57,459 --> 06:50:00,740
So we actually all sit in the room four or five times to

9393
06:50:00,740 --> 06:50:04,459
talk about distribution of where traffic is going to go.

9394
06:50:04,459 --> 06:50:08,529
And that's what concluded in that year and a half's worth

9395
06:50:08,529 --> 06:50:12,979
of studies is that when we made the shift and pulled most

9396
06:50:12,979 --> 06:50:16,459
of -- almost all of our traffic away from Trinity,

9397
06:50:16,459 --> 06:50:22,220
and with the timing of McKinney and Mayhill, you know, that

9398
06:50:22,220 --> 06:50:25,669
is one silver lining that maybe, you know, this took two

9399
06:50:25,669 --> 06:50:29,459
years is somewhat maybe unfortunate.

9400
06:50:29,459 --> 06:50:35,549
Any requirements for offsite improvements would be based on

9401
06:50:35,549 --> 06:50:40,409
the traffic impact analysis and if the traffic impact

9402
06:50:40,409 --> 06:50:44,459
analysis says that there would be a negative effect.

9403
06:50:44,459 --> 06:50:48,459
So -- and then it would be based on proportionality.

9404
06:50:48,459 --> 06:50:53,209
I mean, TIA is not done until the true engineering phase,

9405
06:50:53,209 --> 06:50:55,459
not in the zoning phase.

9406
06:50:55,459 --> 06:51:01,459
The other question I had then would be are we ever allowed

9407
06:51:01,459 --> 06:51:07,150
to require a post-bill TIA to be able to show -- because

9408
06:51:07,150 --> 06:51:09,459
here's my issue, Cindy.

9409
06:51:09,459 --> 06:51:12,430
We sit here and we say that safety is probably the number

9410
06:51:12,430 --> 06:51:15,540
one thing that I think everyone in the room can agree on is

9411
06:51:15,540 --> 06:51:17,459
probably the biggest issue is going to come along with the

9412
06:51:17,459 --> 06:51:18,459
approval of this project.

9413
06:51:18,459 --> 06:51:19,459
Definitely.

9414
06:51:19,459 --> 06:51:22,110
So if we sit here and say, well, speed mitigation,

9415
06:51:22,110 --> 06:51:24,060
applicants ready to do it, we as a commission are ready to

9416
06:51:24,060 --> 06:51:27,450
do it, but we're sitting here saying we can't technically

9417
06:51:27,450 --> 06:51:30,009
legally require them to do it because they're not within

9418
06:51:30,009 --> 06:51:30,459
that.

9419
06:51:30,459 --> 06:51:33,470
We can only encourage the director of transportation who's

9420
06:51:33,470 --> 06:51:36,110
got a lot of other things going on in his life to have to

9421
06:51:36,110 --> 06:51:37,459
do something about it.

9422
06:51:37,459 --> 06:51:41,930
Is there any way we can tie something like a post-bill TIA

9423
06:51:41,930 --> 06:51:46,049
to say you need to go back and see is there an increase

9424
06:51:46,049 --> 06:51:49,459
usage of South Trinity after the bill?

9425
06:51:49,459 --> 06:51:51,819
If there is, then at least that would be more evidence to

9426
06:51:51,819 --> 06:51:54,349
go to the director of transportation and say, yep, before

9427
06:51:54,349 --> 06:51:57,459
it was 500 trips a day, now it's 1,500 trips a day.

9428
06:51:57,459 --> 06:52:00,799
Heading north and southbound on that, they're obviously not

9429
06:52:00,799 --> 06:52:03,459
going up to Mills and cutting over to Mayhill.

9430
06:52:03,459 --> 06:52:04,459
That would be dumb.

9431
06:52:04,459 --> 06:52:05,459
They're going through Lakeview.

9432
06:52:05,459 --> 06:52:07,459
So that would be a...

9433
06:52:07,459 --> 06:52:09,459
That doesn't let Richard address it.

9434
06:52:09,459 --> 06:52:11,459
Just one clarification.

9435
06:52:11,459 --> 06:52:15,400
If the applicant were to proffer improvements to reduce

9436
06:52:15,400 --> 06:52:19,430
speed, I think that would be something we could include as

9437
06:52:19,430 --> 06:52:21,459
part of their condition.

9438
06:52:21,459 --> 06:52:25,830
Let me just add that number one, this body is making a

9439
06:52:25,830 --> 06:52:30,610
recommendation to the city council, and ultimately the

9440
06:52:30,610 --> 06:52:35,150
conditions that attach to the SUP are going to be for the

9441
06:52:35,150 --> 06:52:37,459
city council to decide.

9442
06:52:37,459 --> 06:52:41,200
They're going to take into account the comments, the

9443
06:52:41,200 --> 06:52:45,549
specific motion that's made, and even if it's something

9444
06:52:45,549 --> 06:52:48,459
that's outside the scope of an SUP,

9445
06:52:48,459 --> 06:52:51,220
I'm sure that the city council, they're going to be

9446
06:52:51,220 --> 06:52:52,459
watching this video.

9447
06:52:52,459 --> 06:52:54,459
They're going to be reading the minutes.

9448
06:52:54,459 --> 06:52:58,459
They're going to be reading the staff report on that.

9449
06:52:58,459 --> 06:53:02,869
If that's an issue of concern, by all means, bring it up to

9450
06:53:02,869 --> 06:53:04,459
the city council.

9451
06:53:04,459 --> 06:53:08,400
After all, whether it could be part of this SUP or not,

9452
06:53:08,400 --> 06:53:12,310
bear in mind that the city council is the legislative body

9453
06:53:12,310 --> 06:53:13,459
of the city.

9454
06:53:13,459 --> 06:53:17,400
If they need to change the speed limit, they'll change the

9455
06:53:17,400 --> 06:53:21,080
speed limit, and they don't have to come to P&Z to ask

9456
06:53:21,080 --> 06:53:22,459
permission to do it.

9457
06:53:22,459 --> 06:53:24,459
They can do that.

9458
06:53:24,459 --> 06:53:28,459
If they need to change the laws, they can change the laws.

9459
06:53:28,459 --> 06:53:31,509
If they need to do something else to the street, they can

9460
06:53:31,509 --> 06:53:33,459
do something else to the street.

9461
06:53:33,459 --> 06:53:36,849
They are the legislative body, and it doesn't necessarily

9462
06:53:36,849 --> 06:53:39,770
have to be tied to a zoning case or an SUP in order to get

9463
06:53:39,770 --> 06:53:40,459
done.

9464
06:53:40,459 --> 06:53:43,900
- So within our recommendation as a commission, maybe we

9465
06:53:43,900 --> 06:53:45,459
don't have to get specific,

9466
06:53:45,459 --> 06:53:48,490
but we could possibly add an amendment to our SUP for

9467
06:53:48,490 --> 06:53:52,459
recommendation to city council, who is the final,

9468
06:53:52,459 --> 06:53:54,740
along with the super majority, because it's 20%, to say

9469
06:53:54,740 --> 06:53:57,400
that speed mitigation should be considered in the final

9470
06:53:57,400 --> 06:53:58,459
approval of this.

9471
06:53:58,459 --> 06:54:00,459
We don't have to leave it as a final product.

9472
06:54:00,459 --> 06:54:03,459
We can say speed mitigation efforts in some degree.

9473
06:54:03,459 --> 06:54:07,400
- Well, I think you can make the council aware that I'm not

9474
06:54:07,400 --> 06:54:11,380
sure that even making it part of this SUP recommendation is

9475
06:54:11,380 --> 06:54:12,459
necessary.

9476
06:54:12,459 --> 06:54:16,220
I think that your comments to the city council will be

9477
06:54:16,220 --> 06:54:18,459
reviewed, will be heeded.

9478
06:54:18,459 --> 06:54:21,459
They will know that this is going to be an issue.

9479
06:54:21,459 --> 06:54:27,049
And if it's best to put it, I don't think that it's going

9480
06:54:27,049 --> 06:54:31,459
to be best to tie it to this SUP approval.

9481
06:54:31,459 --> 06:54:34,200
I think it's going to be best to deal with it some other

9482
06:54:34,200 --> 06:54:34,459
way.

9483
06:54:34,459 --> 06:54:39,970
- Okay. The second thing that I was going to talk about was

9484
06:54:39,970 --> 06:54:43,459
the tying of the finishing of McKinney,

9485
06:54:43,459 --> 06:54:48,110
or the expansion of McKinney to the release of occupation

9486
06:54:48,110 --> 06:54:49,459
of phase one.

9487
06:54:49,459 --> 06:54:53,520
We can put that to the SCP, correct? We can tie those two

9488
06:54:53,520 --> 06:54:56,159
things together just purely back to the point I made

9489
06:54:56,159 --> 06:54:56,459
earlier,

9490
06:54:56,459 --> 06:54:59,319
that would it want to approve a project that then might

9491
06:54:59,319 --> 06:55:03,439
possibly have 200 residents, 300 residents, however many is

9492
06:55:03,439 --> 06:55:04,459
in the phase one,

9493
06:55:04,459 --> 06:55:08,200
moving into a location and McKinney is not completed due to

9494
06:55:08,200 --> 06:55:11,459
weather or city setback or something like that.

9495
06:55:11,459 --> 06:55:17,080
- So you're talking about a condition that ties the timing

9496
06:55:17,080 --> 06:55:18,459
down to it?

9497
06:55:18,459 --> 06:55:23,060
- I'm not sure that that's going to be something that the

9498
06:55:23,060 --> 06:55:26,459
city council is going to be able to do.

9499
06:55:26,459 --> 06:55:28,459
You can certainly bring it up.

9500
06:55:28,459 --> 06:55:31,869
- But the final plotting, something like that, that won't

9501
06:55:31,869 --> 06:55:37,639
be approved until a timeline is aligned with McKinney four

9502
06:55:37,639 --> 06:55:39,459
lane road being expanded?

9503
06:55:39,459 --> 06:55:43,080
- I don't know that they're going to be in a position to

9504
06:55:43,080 --> 06:55:46,459
hold up a development if something's not ready.

9505
06:55:46,459 --> 06:55:50,509
And I don't really know that I want to get into all of the

9506
06:55:50,509 --> 06:55:54,619
legalities about doing some additional research on it and

9507
06:55:54,619 --> 06:55:58,150
having an opportunity to advise them, you know, confident

9508
06:55:58,150 --> 06:55:58,459
ially.

9509
06:55:58,459 --> 06:56:00,459
- Good.

9510
06:56:00,459 --> 06:56:02,459
- Commissioner Beck.

9511
06:56:02,459 --> 06:56:05,209
- Thanks, Chair. Brent, can I get you to come up one more

9512
06:56:05,209 --> 06:56:05,459
time?

9513
06:56:05,459 --> 06:56:08,509
There appeared to be a little skepticism mentioned about

9514
06:56:08,509 --> 06:56:11,459
how you're directing traffic away from South Trinity.

9515
06:56:11,459 --> 06:56:16,209
So tell me, how would somebody in this development get to

9516
06:56:16,209 --> 06:56:19,849
South Trinity other than coming out on McKinney or the

9517
06:56:19,849 --> 06:56:22,459
exits you're going to have on the west side?

9518
06:56:22,459 --> 06:56:24,689
Is there any, because you're going to have the wall up all

9519
06:56:24,689 --> 06:56:25,459
the way around.

9520
06:56:25,459 --> 06:56:30,189
So they can't access that trailer park community to the

9521
06:56:30,189 --> 06:56:32,459
east there, correct?

9522
06:56:32,459 --> 06:56:34,939
Somebody thought they could cut across there, but I thought

9523
06:56:34,939 --> 06:56:36,459
not if you've got a wall up there.

9524
06:56:36,459 --> 06:56:39,630
- I think what the question was now, I probably need to

9525
06:56:39,630 --> 06:56:42,459
open the other PowerPoint that just closed.

9526
06:56:42,459 --> 06:56:46,400
If you're, I think that the Denton Falls community to our

9527
06:56:46,400 --> 06:56:49,459
south to east, they were talking about, I think they're...

9528
06:56:49,459 --> 06:56:50,459
- Cutting across there.

9529
06:56:50,459 --> 06:56:54,459
- Cutting across Grissom.

9530
06:56:54,459 --> 06:56:55,459
Was that the question?

9531
06:56:55,459 --> 06:56:59,619
- Right. Coming out of this community, this development you

9532
06:56:59,619 --> 06:57:02,459
're going to do, can they access that area?

9533
06:57:02,459 --> 06:57:06,290
- The Denton Falls, I'll try to answer it, the Denton Falls

9534
06:57:06,290 --> 06:57:09,459
, they can't, they have their own access to Trinity.

9535
06:57:09,459 --> 06:57:13,459
They can't access through us.

9536
06:57:13,459 --> 06:57:15,459
- And we can't access through them.

9537
06:57:15,459 --> 06:57:16,459
- We can't.

9538
06:57:16,459 --> 06:57:20,020
- They have to come out on McKinney, go down to Trinity

9539
06:57:20,020 --> 06:57:20,459
there.

9540
06:57:20,459 --> 06:57:23,459
- They come out to Grissom and then in Trinity.

9541
06:57:23,459 --> 06:57:25,459
- Okay.

9542
06:57:25,459 --> 06:57:26,459
Okay.

9543
06:57:26,459 --> 06:57:27,459
- They can't come through us.

9544
06:57:27,459 --> 06:57:28,459
We can't go through them.

9545
06:57:28,459 --> 06:57:31,459
- Okay.

9546
06:57:31,459 --> 06:57:37,459
- Ours is gated.

9547
06:57:37,459 --> 06:57:40,459
- So the public hearing is closed.

9548
06:57:40,459 --> 06:57:44,459
We can't take just random comments from the audience.

9549
06:57:44,459 --> 06:57:47,619
Commissioner Bec, do you have a question for a specific

9550
06:57:47,619 --> 06:57:50,459
individual that we can answer your question?

9551
06:57:50,459 --> 06:57:54,549
- Yeah, could... Does Cody have a question for us on this

9552
06:57:54,549 --> 06:57:55,459
regard?

9553
06:57:55,459 --> 06:57:59,250
- I just want to say that the speeding is a thing, but I'm

9554
06:57:59,250 --> 06:58:03,430
looking, all us young guys, this is going to be our town in

9555
06:58:03,430 --> 06:58:04,459
the future.

9556
06:58:04,459 --> 06:58:05,459
We have to look at that.

9557
06:58:05,459 --> 06:58:08,860
Is this something that we want to deal with in 10 to 15

9558
06:58:08,860 --> 06:58:09,459
years?

9559
06:58:09,459 --> 06:58:11,590
I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but this is, I'm

9560
06:58:11,590 --> 06:58:13,459
going to live here for the rest of my life.

9561
06:58:13,459 --> 06:58:16,459
- Okay, Cody, I need you to specifically address...

9562
06:58:16,459 --> 06:58:17,459
- Okay.

9563
06:58:17,459 --> 06:58:19,459
- Well, no, you're still welcome to.

9564
06:58:19,459 --> 06:58:20,459
Okay.

9565
06:58:20,459 --> 06:58:22,459
Brian, why don't you come up then?

9566
06:58:22,459 --> 06:58:23,459
Thanks, Cody. I appreciate it.

9567
06:58:23,459 --> 06:58:25,340
- So I think they've done a great job of impeding traffic

9568
06:58:25,340 --> 06:58:26,459
leaving the neighborhood.

9569
06:58:26,459 --> 06:58:27,459
You know what I mean?

9570
06:58:27,459 --> 06:58:30,220
If people want to leave and go down Trinity, they got to

9571
06:58:30,220 --> 06:58:32,459
make a left over a medium, right?

9572
06:58:32,459 --> 06:58:33,459
Or a three medium.

9573
06:58:33,459 --> 06:58:34,459
It's really coming home.

9574
06:58:34,459 --> 06:58:35,459
- Okay.

9575
06:58:35,459 --> 06:58:38,209
- When they come down 380, they can make a left straight

9576
06:58:38,209 --> 06:58:40,889
through Lakeview's Speedway, right, right into the

9577
06:58:40,889 --> 06:58:41,459
community,

9578
06:58:41,459 --> 06:58:45,419
versus dealing with all the stoplights and making one, two,

9579
06:58:45,419 --> 06:58:46,459
three lefts.

9580
06:58:46,459 --> 06:58:47,459
- Okay.

9581
06:58:47,459 --> 06:58:48,459
- It's not there.

9582
06:58:48,459 --> 06:58:51,380
- And I don't disagree with the fact that they've at least

9583
06:58:51,380 --> 06:58:53,459
tried to accommodate that one segment there.

9584
06:58:53,459 --> 06:58:56,459
You know, it speaks to the effort they're trying to make.

9585
06:58:56,459 --> 06:58:58,799
Yeah, they're not going to be able to control every facet

9586
06:58:58,799 --> 06:59:00,459
of the traffic that goes up and down there.

9587
06:59:00,459 --> 06:59:01,459
But...

9588
06:59:04,459 --> 06:59:05,459
Thanks.

9589
06:59:05,459 --> 06:59:06,459
Done.

9590
06:59:10,459 --> 06:59:13,919
- There is no one on the board to speak for discussion or

9591
06:59:13,919 --> 06:59:15,459
motion.

9592
06:59:15,459 --> 06:59:18,459
So...

9593
06:59:23,459 --> 06:59:24,459
Commissioner Ellis.

9594
06:59:24,459 --> 06:59:25,459
- Thank you, Chair.

9595
06:59:25,459 --> 06:59:28,459
I'll just start a discussion here.

9596
06:59:28,459 --> 06:59:31,459
First of all, thanks to all the citizens for coming out.

9597
06:59:31,459 --> 06:59:35,459
There have been so many issues, so many issues brought up.

9598
06:59:35,459 --> 06:59:38,459
Infrastructure being the big one.

9599
06:59:38,459 --> 06:59:42,959
And definitely I think we need to do what we can as a city

9600
06:59:42,959 --> 06:59:47,459
to get Lakeview off of being a collector's street.

9601
06:59:47,459 --> 06:59:52,759
I'm struggling here with this vote because so many of these

9602
06:59:52,759 --> 06:59:56,459
issues are not this applicant's problem.

9603
06:59:56,459 --> 07:00:01,630
The requested zoning, which is what we're dealing with, can

9604
07:00:01,630 --> 07:00:02,459
work for the area,

9605
07:00:02,459 --> 07:00:06,490
especially with the conditions placed on it with the

9606
07:00:06,490 --> 07:00:07,459
overlay.

9607
07:00:07,459 --> 07:00:11,459
I know a manufactured housing community comes with a stigma

9608
07:00:11,459 --> 07:00:14,459
, and it may not be an ideal for everyone,

9609
07:00:14,459 --> 07:00:17,459
but I think it's a housing option.

9610
07:00:17,459 --> 07:00:20,209
And I would have to think that there's some kind of a

9611
07:00:20,209 --> 07:00:23,389
demand, or I don't think that they would propose this

9612
07:00:23,389 --> 07:00:24,459
development.

9613
07:00:24,459 --> 07:00:27,900
That being said, I mean, I'm still struggling with a vote

9614
07:00:27,900 --> 07:00:28,459
here.

9615
07:00:28,459 --> 07:00:32,459
I don't like the fact that DISD wasn't consulted.

9616
07:00:32,459 --> 07:00:35,459
I think I would have liked their input.

9617
07:00:35,459 --> 07:00:40,459
I'm bringing this density in.

9618
07:00:40,459 --> 07:00:43,729
But certainly the citizens brought up real concerns, and I

9619
07:00:43,729 --> 07:00:46,389
'm hoping it leads to further conversation, regardless of

9620
07:00:46,389 --> 07:00:47,459
how this vote is.

9621
07:00:47,459 --> 07:00:52,310
Lakeview, specifically Lakeview Ranch, has definite

9622
07:00:52,310 --> 07:00:53,459
concerns.

9623
07:00:53,459 --> 07:00:56,209
So hopefully that will bring up further discussion with the

9624
07:00:56,209 --> 07:00:56,459
city.

9625
07:00:56,459 --> 07:00:59,459
I'll listen to my fellow commissioners here.

9626
07:00:59,459 --> 07:01:01,459
Commissioner Beck.

9627
07:01:01,459 --> 07:01:03,209
Thank you, Chair. Cindy, did you have something you wanted

9628
07:01:03,209 --> 07:01:03,459
to say?

9629
07:01:03,459 --> 07:01:06,459
Yes, I did want to address the issue of DISD.

9630
07:01:06,459 --> 07:01:10,659
When the site was annexed into the city, we have to contact

9631
07:01:10,659 --> 07:01:15,259
all the service providers in the city and let them know

9632
07:01:15,259 --> 07:01:16,459
that they are coming.

9633
07:01:16,459 --> 07:01:19,459
And DISD had to respond to us.

9634
07:01:19,459 --> 07:01:23,479
And so DISD is aware of the fact that this property was

9635
07:01:23,479 --> 07:01:27,459
brought into the city at the time it was annexed.

9636
07:01:27,459 --> 07:01:30,540
We knew what it was going to, what they were going to try

9637
07:01:30,540 --> 07:01:31,459
to do with it.

9638
07:01:31,459 --> 07:01:35,459
And DISD was made aware of that.

9639
07:01:35,459 --> 07:01:38,599
It's a common practice when we do annexations, is we

9640
07:01:38,599 --> 07:01:42,639
contact DISD and tell them, this is being annexed in, this

9641
07:01:42,639 --> 07:01:45,459
is what's proposed, this is how many houses.

9642
07:01:45,459 --> 07:01:48,459
And they know it's coming.

9643
07:01:48,459 --> 07:01:51,459
Did they give input?

9644
07:01:51,459 --> 07:01:53,459
They probably did. They do every time.

9645
07:01:53,459 --> 07:01:56,459
I can look it up and give it to you later.

9646
07:01:56,459 --> 07:02:00,459
I wasn't working on the annexation at that time, another co

9647
07:02:00,459 --> 07:02:04,459
-worker was, but I know the process.

9648
07:02:04,459 --> 07:02:08,459
And so they are made aware.

9649
07:02:08,459 --> 07:02:10,459
Okay, thanks. Yeah.

9650
07:02:10,459 --> 07:02:13,459
Okay. Let me try and jump into the fray here.

9651
07:02:13,459 --> 07:02:18,459
I, too, have some problems with this.

9652
07:02:18,459 --> 07:02:22,430
And I'm hearing almost, and there's a lot of passion out

9653
07:02:22,430 --> 07:02:26,459
there from the people that live up at Lakeview Ranch.

9654
07:02:26,459 --> 07:02:31,619
But we've heard some things that tend to get close to hyper

9655
07:02:31,619 --> 07:02:32,459
bole.

9656
07:02:32,459 --> 07:02:35,459
And I just want to touch on that, not to ridicule anybody,

9657
07:02:35,459 --> 07:02:38,209
but to kind of bring us back down to reality on some things

9658
07:02:38,209 --> 07:02:38,459
.

9659
07:02:38,459 --> 07:02:41,459
It was mentioned that Post Oak Road won't be ready for 20

9660
07:02:41,459 --> 07:02:42,459
or 30 years.

9661
07:02:42,459 --> 07:02:46,400
It's probably true that the complete construction of it won

9662
07:02:46,400 --> 07:02:49,590
't be done, but in increments, they've already started

9663
07:02:49,590 --> 07:02:50,459
working on it.

9664
07:02:50,459 --> 07:02:54,650
So if there's a need in one sector, like if this area

9665
07:02:54,650 --> 07:02:58,290
starts to develop a lot, they probably will start bringing

9666
07:02:58,290 --> 07:02:59,459
it in there sooner.

9667
07:02:59,459 --> 07:03:02,180
They're not going to start at one end and necessarily work

9668
07:03:02,180 --> 07:03:03,459
until they get to the other end.

9669
07:03:03,459 --> 07:03:07,740
So it may not be a complete 20 years as it affects this

9670
07:03:07,740 --> 07:03:08,459
area.

9671
07:03:08,459 --> 07:03:11,389
But I don't disagree that we don't know when it's going to

9672
07:03:11,389 --> 07:03:12,459
be done either.

9673
07:03:12,459 --> 07:03:15,409
But I just don't, you get that 20 and 30 years stuck in

9674
07:03:15,409 --> 07:03:18,159
your head and then that takes other things out of play here

9675
07:03:18,159 --> 07:03:18,459
.

9676
07:03:18,459 --> 07:03:21,380
They mentioned that there's going to be a thousand more

9677
07:03:21,380 --> 07:03:24,169
cars there and a thousand more kids, you know, and you're

9678
07:03:24,169 --> 07:03:27,669
just, you know, throwing numbers out there based on, there

9679
07:03:27,669 --> 07:03:28,459
's nearly 500 houses.

9680
07:03:28,459 --> 07:03:30,459
So there's got to be two cars at each place.

9681
07:03:30,459 --> 07:03:33,220
And I'm not saying that's an impossibility, but there's

9682
07:03:33,220 --> 07:03:34,459
probably not, too.

9683
07:03:34,459 --> 07:03:38,400
There's going to be people, one of the issues that I

9684
07:03:38,400 --> 07:03:42,619
believe it was Sonny Embry that brought up why we're just

9685
07:03:42,619 --> 07:03:45,459
now building a walkway on McKinney.

9686
07:03:45,459 --> 07:03:48,220
And it was mentioned that, see, it didn't even own that

9687
07:03:48,220 --> 07:03:49,459
part, that stretch.

9688
07:03:49,459 --> 07:03:52,459
That was Farnum Market Road, it is Farnum Market Road, 426.

9689
07:03:52,459 --> 07:03:54,459
That's a state road.

9690
07:03:54,459 --> 07:03:57,459
We bought it from them, essentially, if I can say that.

9691
07:03:57,459 --> 07:04:00,220
So now it's ours to do with and we're doing what we've

9692
07:04:00,220 --> 07:04:02,459
always wanted done in the first place.

9693
07:04:02,459 --> 07:04:03,459
So that's getting done.

9694
07:04:03,459 --> 07:04:07,669
So you're going to have any kids that are close to Ryan

9695
07:04:07,669 --> 07:04:11,619
High School and the elementary, there's going to be walking

9696
07:04:11,619 --> 07:04:12,459
distances there.

9697
07:04:12,459 --> 07:04:16,029
Hopefully in time, I ask Richard if there was public

9698
07:04:16,029 --> 07:04:18,459
transportation out that far yet.

9699
07:04:18,459 --> 07:04:20,459
He said no, but that's going to be a possibility.

9700
07:04:20,459 --> 07:04:23,220
There's going to be people in there, if they're buying

9701
07:04:23,220 --> 07:04:26,889
affordable housing, they may not have their own set of

9702
07:04:26,889 --> 07:04:30,020
wheels or they may only have one vehicle and they're going

9703
07:04:30,020 --> 07:04:31,459
to be relying on public transportation.

9704
07:04:31,459 --> 07:04:33,979
So don't automatically, I see you shaking your head, but

9705
07:04:33,979 --> 07:04:35,459
don't automatically lock in.

9706
07:04:35,459 --> 07:04:37,459
There's definitely going to be a thousand kids.

9707
07:04:37,459 --> 07:04:38,459
There's definitely going to be a thousand.

9708
07:04:38,459 --> 07:04:39,459
We don't know that yet.

9709
07:04:39,459 --> 07:04:40,459
Okay.

9710
07:04:40,459 --> 07:04:42,090
There's going to be more traffic no matter what we put

9711
07:04:42,090 --> 07:04:42,459
there.

9712
07:04:42,459 --> 07:04:47,409
There's going to be some kids there that weren't there

9713
07:04:47,409 --> 07:04:48,459
before.

9714
07:04:48,459 --> 07:04:52,799
It was also, and I don't disagree that as a factor of low

9715
07:04:52,799 --> 07:04:56,459
income housing, this isn't the solution.

9716
07:04:56,459 --> 07:04:58,459
It's just an element of it.

9717
07:04:58,459 --> 07:05:00,459
It will help to some degree.

9718
07:05:00,459 --> 07:05:01,459
How much?

9719
07:05:01,459 --> 07:05:02,459
Again, we can debate that.

9720
07:05:02,459 --> 07:05:04,459
Nobody really knows.

9721
07:05:04,459 --> 07:05:08,400
But to say that it isn't at all, you know, I'm not sure

9722
07:05:08,400 --> 07:05:12,430
where you get that unless you brought in some studies that

9723
07:05:12,430 --> 07:05:15,459
bear that out and I haven't heard that.

9724
07:05:15,459 --> 07:05:20,790
So the thing that bothered me, as I mentioned, coming into

9725
07:05:20,790 --> 07:05:24,150
this public hearing, I wasn't aware that they don't own the

9726
07:05:24,150 --> 07:05:26,459
property along with the house.

9727
07:05:26,459 --> 07:05:30,580
I think if anything unsettled me a little bit, it was that

9728
07:05:30,580 --> 07:05:34,770
fact because I feel empathy towards anybody that's around

9729
07:05:34,770 --> 07:05:38,959
that area that that could have a diminishing effect on that

9730
07:05:38,959 --> 07:05:40,459
neighborhood.

9731
07:05:40,459 --> 07:05:43,459
So I'm having that quandary right there.

9732
07:05:43,459 --> 07:05:48,310
I think reluctantly, to the dismay of many of you here, I'm

9733
07:05:48,310 --> 07:05:52,459
probably going to lean towards approving this.

9734
07:05:52,459 --> 07:05:55,459
But this thing has to go forward to the city council.

9735
07:05:55,459 --> 07:05:57,459
There's time to look at it.

9736
07:05:57,459 --> 07:06:00,680
I plan on getting with the developers going out and looking

9737
07:06:00,680 --> 07:06:03,819
at their oldest developments and seeing how they've come

9738
07:06:03,819 --> 07:06:04,459
about.

9739
07:06:04,459 --> 07:06:07,279
And if I see some deterioration there, I can come to city

9740
07:06:07,279 --> 07:06:10,459
council myself and point this out and add that information.

9741
07:06:10,459 --> 07:06:12,459
So we're not the final say here.

9742
07:06:12,459 --> 07:06:14,459
But there's a lot of factors to consider here.

9743
07:06:14,459 --> 07:06:17,220
I think the developers gone out of their way to accommodate

9744
07:06:17,220 --> 07:06:18,459
a lot of your concerns.

9745
07:06:18,459 --> 07:06:21,630
I think a lot of your concerns are legitimate and flawed,

9746
07:06:21,630 --> 07:06:24,849
but in reality, I'm not sure that that's something you can

9747
07:06:24,849 --> 07:06:27,459
just lock into and say it's going to happen, though.

9748
07:06:27,459 --> 07:06:30,459
I can understand you coming from that direction.

9749
07:06:30,459 --> 07:06:33,459
So anyway, right now, that's where I stand.

9750
07:06:33,459 --> 07:06:36,869
We'll wait and listen for any motions made, at least on my

9751
07:06:36,869 --> 07:06:37,459
part.

9752
07:06:37,459 --> 07:06:42,459
Thank you.

9753
07:06:42,459 --> 07:06:43,459
Commissioner Smith.

9754
07:06:43,459 --> 07:06:47,400
First, I'd like to thank the applicant for coming out and

9755
07:06:47,400 --> 07:06:50,459
bearing with us and working hard at this.

9756
07:06:50,459 --> 07:06:53,849
I would like to make a quick remark to those who came in

9757
07:06:53,849 --> 07:06:56,459
attendance and gave their opinion.

9758
07:06:56,459 --> 07:07:00,200
Sometimes it's forgotten that we are a volunteer commission

9759
07:07:00,200 --> 07:07:00,459
.

9760
07:07:00,459 --> 07:07:04,459
We all have our own careers and jobs and whatnot.

9761
07:07:04,459 --> 07:07:06,720
I was up at 430 this morning taking care of my dog and

9762
07:07:06,720 --> 07:07:07,459
working out.

9763
07:07:07,459 --> 07:07:11,450
So sometimes we get in here and there's definitely some

9764
07:07:11,450 --> 07:07:15,959
public hearings that passion comes out and passion, right

9765
07:07:15,959 --> 07:07:18,459
fully so, should come out.

9766
07:07:18,459 --> 07:07:22,459
I hope that you guys as citizens know that no applicant,

9767
07:07:22,459 --> 07:07:26,080
city staffer or volunteer commissioner or city council

9768
07:07:26,080 --> 07:07:29,700
person would ever bring a project that has deception or

9769
07:07:29,700 --> 07:07:32,459
some sort of devious intent to it.

9770
07:07:32,459 --> 07:07:35,409
And that kind of saddened me tonight to hear that some

9771
07:07:35,409 --> 07:07:39,459
folks came to the mic and said that we as commissioners who

9772
07:07:39,459 --> 07:07:42,549
are just here to consider it and view what's in the best

9773
07:07:42,549 --> 07:07:46,459
interest of the city were accused of trying to facilitate

9774
07:07:46,459 --> 07:07:49,459
devious acts and hiding projects and hate to hear that.

9775
07:07:49,459 --> 07:07:52,220
So hopefully if you guys do want to bring that to city

9776
07:07:52,220 --> 07:07:55,459
council, I would make a recommendation you don't do that.

9777
07:07:55,459 --> 07:07:57,459
They got a little bit bigger egos than we do.

9778
07:07:57,459 --> 07:08:02,459
So that's a joke you can laugh at.

9779
07:08:02,459 --> 07:08:08,889
But my personal opinion has been that safety is a big issue

9780
07:08:08,889 --> 07:08:10,459
for me on this project.

9781
07:08:10,459 --> 07:08:14,860
And to hear that more and more and more this project by no

9782
07:08:14,860 --> 07:08:19,610
volition of their own action is going to cause some serious

9783
07:08:19,610 --> 07:08:24,180
safety issues or at least give one inkling of increasing a

9784
07:08:24,180 --> 07:08:29,459
safety problem that's already existing in your neighborhood

9785
07:08:29,459 --> 07:08:32,459
as well as well documented.

9786
07:08:32,459 --> 07:08:35,819
And that scares me I'd hate to be a be a guy who reads the

9787
07:08:35,819 --> 07:08:39,909
DRC every single morning, even as a 28 year old sits around

9788
07:08:39,909 --> 07:08:43,409
leads the DRC every single morning to see that a kid in

9789
07:08:43,409 --> 07:08:46,990
Lakeview got killed because of a driver and to think that I

9790
07:08:46,990 --> 07:08:50,459
as a commissioner maybe have added to that.

9791
07:08:50,459 --> 07:08:52,459
I'd hate to think that.

9792
07:08:52,459 --> 07:08:55,939
The same time, saying that you can't, we can't grow in

9793
07:08:55,939 --> 07:08:59,720
certain ways and to say that, you know, an applicant doesn

9794
07:08:59,720 --> 07:09:03,409
't have a project we like but they need to change it around

9795
07:09:03,409 --> 07:09:06,750
it's hard for me to justify Cindy, I have a question for

9796
07:09:06,750 --> 07:09:07,459
you.

9797
07:09:07,459 --> 07:09:11,549
Seeing that it's 20% more on opposition, and the abutting

9798
07:09:11,549 --> 07:09:15,500
properties. It goes to supermajority City Council, City

9799
07:09:15,500 --> 07:09:19,119
Council, then, let's say they get a five to vote rather

9800
07:09:19,119 --> 07:09:22,459
than a six one which is what would be needed.

9801
07:09:22,459 --> 07:09:25,650
We were asking Jerry I was asking Richard and it seems like

9802
07:09:25,650 --> 07:09:28,400
from what I can read lips from across the dice that

9803
07:09:28,400 --> 07:09:31,610
substantial change is a pretty, because that's what the

9804
07:09:31,610 --> 07:09:34,590
requirement is for those who don't know that there's a

9805
07:09:34,590 --> 07:09:37,939
denial the applicant has to wait 12 months until they can

9806
07:09:37,939 --> 07:09:40,459
bring back the application for reconsideration,

9807
07:09:40,459 --> 07:09:43,810
unless there is a substantial change in the circumstances

9808
07:09:43,810 --> 07:09:47,099
with the direct word of the code as states. Did you ever

9809
07:09:47,099 --> 07:09:50,270
seen with that substantial change could be what it might be

9810
07:09:50,270 --> 07:09:53,310
and could it be something like, I don't know the director

9811
07:09:53,310 --> 07:09:55,459
of transportation does something about some

9812
07:09:55,459 --> 07:09:59,250
like view and then that could predicate substantial change

9813
07:09:59,250 --> 07:10:03,080
in an application or because it's not inside of the area in

9814
07:10:03,080 --> 07:10:06,529
question that this doesn't even matter, they can make it

9815
07:10:06,529 --> 07:10:10,369
they could turn they could turn like view into I 35 for all

9816
07:10:10,369 --> 07:10:13,459
they wanted and it wouldn't matter doesn't change anything.

9817
07:10:13,459 --> 07:10:17,990
Well, substantial change typically has to do with the land

9818
07:10:17,990 --> 07:10:22,509
use, or the density, or how they're laying it out that that

9819
07:10:22,509 --> 07:10:26,840
Jerry can tell me if that if there's anything else but that

9820
07:10:26,840 --> 07:10:31,459
's pretty much what is considered substantial change.

9821
07:10:31,459 --> 07:10:35,169
Yeah, that I think those are basically the same factors I

9822
07:10:35,169 --> 07:10:38,869
outlined to you earlier that I don't know that there's a,

9823
07:10:38,869 --> 07:10:42,799
you know, an incredibly dark black line on that, but that's

9824
07:10:42,799 --> 07:10:46,459
that's typically the factors that are looked at.

9825
07:10:46,459 --> 07:10:48,459
Okay.

9826
07:10:48,459 --> 07:10:51,459
Thank you.

9827
07:10:51,459 --> 07:11:06,459
Commissioner Sanchez.

9828
07:11:06,459 --> 07:11:10,979
And this is one area. When I look at this green, the five x

9829
07:11:10,979 --> 07:11:15,610
area which is north of the unit we're talking about. There

9830
07:11:15,610 --> 07:11:19,909
's a substantial piece of area there that I say is going to

9831
07:11:19,909 --> 07:11:21,459
be developed.

9832
07:11:21,459 --> 07:11:24,869
And, and so, the way I look at it is, it's not, you're

9833
07:11:24,869 --> 07:11:28,389
going to have some. This is not going to affect what's

9834
07:11:28,389 --> 07:11:32,080
happening in the project area we're talking about is really

9835
07:11:32,080 --> 07:11:35,610
not going to affect your, your, the value of your homes

9836
07:11:35,610 --> 07:11:38,459
because you still have a big buffer

9837
07:11:38,459 --> 07:11:55,459
of development that's going to occur north of that project.

9838
07:11:55,459 --> 07:11:55,650
So, I think one individual we had came and said right

9839
07:11:55,650 --> 07:11:55,880
across he had a project like this develop across the street

9840
07:11:55,880 --> 07:11:56,110
, and if it affected the value of his home, we're not across

9841
07:11:56,110 --> 07:11:56,459
the street we're relatively

9842
07:11:56,459 --> 07:12:01,360
a good distance from, from the project area. And, and I

9843
07:12:01,360 --> 07:12:06,159
know we always it's always seems like any new development

9844
07:12:06,159 --> 07:12:10,459
we get into the whole idea of increased traffic.

9845
07:12:10,459 --> 07:12:14,169
And that's a big issue every, every two weeks when we meet

9846
07:12:14,169 --> 07:12:17,759
meet and we talk about new projects. And we can hold back

9847
07:12:17,759 --> 07:12:21,119
and say okay we're not going to do nothing until the

9848
07:12:21,119 --> 07:12:25,110
traffic situation gets gets resolved because nothing would

9849
07:12:25,110 --> 07:12:26,459
ever happen.

9850
07:12:26,459 --> 07:12:30,099
Like I said earlier, a lot of what infrastructure money

9851
07:12:30,099 --> 07:12:32,459
comes from is from development.

9852
07:12:32,459 --> 07:12:36,150
And so, as I look at this, you know I started when I went

9853
07:12:36,150 --> 07:12:40,080
and looked at this project, knowing that I traveled this

9854
07:12:40,080 --> 07:12:43,740
area down McKinney pretty often because I've got like I

9855
07:12:43,740 --> 07:12:48,459
said earlier, I do have property down at Vacation Village.

9856
07:12:48,459 --> 07:12:55,759
And I traveled that, I kind of thought well, I'm pretty

9857
07:12:55,759 --> 07:13:02,099
sure I'm on both award but then listen to everybody's

9858
07:13:02,099 --> 07:13:04,299
comments. I, you know, became pretty heavy as far as I was

9859
07:13:04,299 --> 07:13:05,459
concerned, I didn't know what to do but I really believe

9860
07:13:05,459 --> 07:13:12,459
that some of the issues of impacting the

9861
07:13:12,459 --> 07:13:15,509
community view area is not going to it's going to be

9862
07:13:15,509 --> 07:13:18,979
traffic but that's an issue you've all had have had in the

9863
07:13:18,979 --> 07:13:22,209
past, that has to be resolved, but I don't think that

9864
07:13:22,209 --> 07:13:25,459
burden should be laid on the new development.

9865
07:13:25,459 --> 07:13:29,290
It's something that has to be taken care of by that by that

9866
07:13:29,290 --> 07:13:33,259
by that subdivision, and I think, I think they've done

9867
07:13:33,259 --> 07:13:37,180
everything they can to to alleviate the issue, but there's

9868
07:13:37,180 --> 07:13:40,770
some responsibility of what do you all have to do up in

9869
07:13:40,770 --> 07:13:44,459
that area to control traffic and not blame them for it.

9870
07:13:44,459 --> 07:13:48,750
And it seems like there's a lot of, well this is going to

9871
07:13:48,750 --> 07:13:53,400
happen well it's been happening, and that should have been

9872
07:13:53,400 --> 07:13:55,459
resolved a long time ago.

9873
07:13:55,459 --> 07:14:09,540
So, if it's possible for him to self impose a requirement

9874
07:14:09,540 --> 07:14:18,459
to improve the safety on Trinity.

9875
07:14:18,459 --> 07:14:35,500
If there's a signal when it's warranted. If there's a

9876
07:14:35,500 --> 07:14:35,720
concern there on the on the public safety of Trinity, then

9877
07:14:35,720 --> 07:14:35,919
we can self impose if it's hard to for the yacht condition

9878
07:14:35,919 --> 07:14:36,139
us, we could condition ourselves to add it to there that

9879
07:14:36,139 --> 07:14:36,459
will help them try to find a solution,

9880
07:14:36,459 --> 07:14:40,720
we'll, we can meet with their HOA and the city engineer and

9881
07:14:40,720 --> 07:14:44,880
find that there's a solution if it's, I think a key part is

9882
07:14:44,880 --> 07:14:48,950
the city's going through an MTP update now. And that road

9883
07:14:48,950 --> 07:14:51,020
may come off a collector system, but we can put our heads

9884
07:14:51,020 --> 07:14:54,990
together and find logical ways to see if it stops signs or

9885
07:14:54,990 --> 07:15:00,709
what it is, you know, to help and assist with that so we've

9886
07:15:00,709 --> 07:15:04,459
been at it for two years we adjusted, we're here just to

9887
07:15:04,459 --> 07:15:05,459
say, we're willing to help and self impose.

9888
07:15:05,459 --> 07:15:10,459
We're willing to help and self impose that condition.

9889
07:15:10,459 --> 07:15:13,459
Appreciate that.

9890
07:15:13,459 --> 07:15:15,459
Commissioner Prunetta.

9891
07:15:15,459 --> 07:15:19,659
Yeah, I wanted to kind of, I guess, Senator, Commissioner

9892
07:15:19,659 --> 07:15:22,400
Sanchez said a few things that were along the lines of what

9893
07:15:22,400 --> 07:15:23,459
I was going to say.

9894
07:15:23,459 --> 07:15:26,830
So, one of the things that I guess is controversial earlier

9895
07:15:26,830 --> 07:15:29,869
tonight that I stated was I hadn't heard anything that

9896
07:15:29,869 --> 07:15:32,919
would substantially change my opinion in terms of the

9897
07:15:32,919 --> 07:15:36,459
zoning and I want to kind of explain a few things on that.

9898
07:15:36,459 --> 07:15:40,459
When I say that, when we're considering the zoning.

9899
07:15:40,459 --> 07:15:43,740
And, you know, what the use is going to be one of the

9900
07:15:43,740 --> 07:15:47,520
things that we're taking into consideration is that we are

9901
07:15:47,520 --> 07:15:51,439
considering an NR6 and we're also considering the special

9902
07:15:51,439 --> 07:15:55,580
use permit so that way, instead of it being technically as

9903
07:15:55,580 --> 07:16:00,459
dense as an NR6 it's closer to a four.

9904
07:16:00,459 --> 07:16:04,240
I know there's been a lot of concerns about property values

9905
07:16:04,240 --> 07:16:08,259
, as stated, you know, that example that was given somebody

9906
07:16:08,259 --> 07:16:12,299
complained about, you know, modular units being put across

9907
07:16:12,299 --> 07:16:13,459
the street.

9908
07:16:13,459 --> 07:16:15,669
We know that these aren't across the street these guys,

9909
07:16:15,669 --> 07:16:18,049
this is at least half a mile from you guys. And we know

9910
07:16:18,049 --> 07:16:21,099
that when we're kind of well I'm sorry yeah and I'll get to

9911
07:16:21,099 --> 07:16:22,459
you guys in a second.

9912
07:16:22,459 --> 07:16:26,459
For the majority and let me let me refer to Lakeview.

9913
07:16:26,459 --> 07:16:31,500
We're talking about that kind of thing. We're also, when we

9914
07:16:31,500 --> 07:16:34,590
're talking about property values and sales and things like

9915
07:16:34,590 --> 07:16:37,409
that you guys know that appraisers go out and what they

9916
07:16:37,409 --> 07:16:40,380
actually do is gather comps and those comps are related to

9917
07:16:40,380 --> 07:16:44,610
like properties, so they wouldn't be grabbing a comp on a

9918
07:16:44,610 --> 07:16:48,459
modular or manufactured home compared to yours.

9919
07:16:48,459 --> 07:16:53,630
So, as far as resale value you wouldn't normally see that

9920
07:16:53,630 --> 07:16:55,459
much of an impact.

9921
07:16:55,459 --> 07:16:59,400
The other thing that's really kind of hit home for me when

9922
07:16:59,400 --> 07:17:03,459
I've been considering this though is the safety issue.

9923
07:17:03,459 --> 07:17:07,250
And on that one, it seems like there's a safety issue

9924
07:17:07,250 --> 07:17:11,259
regardless of whether or not a property goes in here,

9925
07:17:11,259 --> 07:17:13,459
whether we rezone it or not.

9926
07:17:13,459 --> 07:17:18,369
That doesn't take back all your mailboxes. It doesn't take

9927
07:17:18,369 --> 07:17:21,619
back the number of times somebody has driven into one of

9928
07:17:21,619 --> 07:17:22,459
your yards.

9929
07:17:22,459 --> 07:17:28,290
So, on that one, as a citizen myself, I would encourage you

9930
07:17:28,290 --> 07:17:30,849
to take full advantage of your city council members. They

9931
07:17:30,849 --> 07:17:34,459
are online and they are receptive when you bug them.

9932
07:17:34,459 --> 07:17:41,430
And if you actually engage with them online, they generally

9933
07:17:41,430 --> 07:17:47,720
do move very quickly to get things out like stop signs or

9934
07:17:47,720 --> 07:17:53,880
speed bumps or replacements and things like that that

9935
07:17:53,880 --> 07:17:56,459
encourage safety. So, I'd say that that's one of the things

9936
07:17:56,459 --> 07:17:56,459
that I'd really encourage everyone to engage in.

9937
07:17:56,459 --> 07:18:00,470
I think one of the things that I find encouraging in this

9938
07:18:00,470 --> 07:18:04,580
is the fact that when we talk to the applicant throughout

9939
07:18:04,580 --> 07:18:07,900
the night, I don't think anyone can deny that the applicant

9940
07:18:07,900 --> 07:18:12,139
has not been more than willing to make accommodations to

9941
07:18:12,139 --> 07:18:14,459
try and make things better.

9942
07:18:14,459 --> 07:18:18,090
They've actually self-imposed conditions to help with the

9943
07:18:18,090 --> 07:18:19,459
safety in the area.

9944
07:18:19,459 --> 07:18:23,200
They've discussed the drainages that impose as it affects

9945
07:18:23,200 --> 07:18:26,979
people in the surrounding areas that they're more inclined

9946
07:18:26,979 --> 07:18:30,459
to go with detention rather than have that run off.

9947
07:18:30,459 --> 07:18:34,400
These are some of the things that we consider when we're

9948
07:18:34,400 --> 07:18:35,459
doing this.

9949
07:18:35,459 --> 07:18:39,529
Once again, we're making a vote on the zoning and whether

9950
07:18:39,529 --> 07:18:43,439
or not the proposed zoning kind of conforms to things in

9951
07:18:43,439 --> 07:18:44,459
the area.

9952
07:18:44,459 --> 07:18:47,700
No one can say that if we were to zone this for an NR2,

9953
07:18:47,700 --> 07:18:52,080
somebody would come on and sell houses for $100,000 and

9954
07:18:52,080 --> 07:18:54,459
bring your property values down.

9955
07:18:54,459 --> 07:18:55,459
You know what I mean?

9956
07:18:55,459 --> 07:18:58,680
Nobody could say that somebody could zone it for an NR6 and

9957
07:18:58,680 --> 07:19:01,459
people would sell units for half a million each.

9958
07:19:01,459 --> 07:19:05,240
When we're doing this, the idea of what the property value

9959
07:19:05,240 --> 07:19:08,770
may or may not be isn't sometimes as prevalent as whether

9960
07:19:08,770 --> 07:19:12,409
or not what they're doing conforms to what's in the area

9961
07:19:12,409 --> 07:19:13,459
right now.

9962
07:19:13,459 --> 07:19:18,310
But back to one of the main things I would like to say in

9963
07:19:18,310 --> 07:19:22,709
terms of safety and everything, I would encourage you to

9964
07:19:22,709 --> 07:19:25,459
engage your City Council people.

9965
07:19:25,459 --> 07:19:29,400
And going forward, whatever happens with this, this is

9966
07:19:29,400 --> 07:19:32,459
simply a recommendation to City Council.

9967
07:19:32,459 --> 07:19:37,750
There is an additional line of defense that you have to

9968
07:19:37,750 --> 07:19:43,529
discuss your concerns with them and make your voices heard

9969
07:19:43,529 --> 07:19:45,459
in those cases.

9970
07:19:45,459 --> 07:19:46,459
Thank you, commissioners.

9971
07:19:46,459 --> 07:19:50,909
It's worth noting that right now, although it is convoluted

9972
07:19:50,909 --> 07:19:55,459
, we have two items that we will need to motion and vote on.

9973
07:19:55,459 --> 07:19:59,459
So we'll do the zoning first when it comes time.

9974
07:19:59,459 --> 07:20:01,459
After that, we will engage the SUP.

9975
07:20:01,459 --> 07:20:05,459
So as of right now, we are still discussing both.

9976
07:20:05,459 --> 07:20:08,869
But when a motion is made, it needs to be made for the

9977
07:20:08,869 --> 07:20:11,459
zoning case first and independent.

9978
07:20:11,459 --> 07:20:12,459
Commissioner Ellis.

9979
07:20:12,459 --> 07:20:13,459
Thank you, Chair.

9980
07:20:13,459 --> 07:20:17,509
Quick question for legal with regard to the self-imposed

9981
07:20:17,509 --> 07:20:19,459
Trinity improvements.

9982
07:20:19,459 --> 07:20:24,459
I mean, how would that look on paper?

9983
07:20:24,459 --> 07:20:25,459
I don't know.

9984
07:20:25,459 --> 07:20:29,900
And I think that at one o'clock in the morning, I'm not

9985
07:20:29,900 --> 07:20:31,459
that creative.

9986
07:20:31,459 --> 07:20:38,040
But I think that the fact that the offer has been made and

9987
07:20:38,040 --> 07:20:43,750
that the concerns have been expressed will no doubt

9988
07:20:43,750 --> 07:20:47,459
resonate with the City Council when they review the minutes

9989
07:20:47,459 --> 07:20:51,459
and the video and the staff comments.

9990
07:20:51,459 --> 07:20:55,400
And so I and in between now and then when they have an

9991
07:20:55,400 --> 07:21:00,189
opportunity to look at it, you know, perhaps I'll be fres

9992
07:21:00,189 --> 07:21:04,459
her in the morning and I'll come up with an idea.

9993
07:21:04,459 --> 07:21:09,869
But I really don't think that it's a situation as I'm kind

9994
07:21:09,869 --> 07:21:15,430
of shooting from the tractor seat that is appropriate for

9995
07:21:15,430 --> 07:21:18,459
us to tie in as a regulation.

9996
07:21:18,459 --> 07:21:25,849
I think that is the as the engineer pointed out that if it

9997
07:21:25,849 --> 07:21:32,860
has legs, it may best have legs as something that the

9998
07:21:32,860 --> 07:21:36,459
applicant brings forward.

9999
07:21:36,459 --> 07:21:37,459
Yeah, Richard.

10000
07:21:37,459 --> 07:21:39,459
Just wanted to add a little bit more to that.

10001
07:21:39,459 --> 07:21:44,479
This this if if it's well, regardless, if it gets moved

10002
07:21:44,479 --> 07:21:50,459
tonight, it does not go to City Council until December 4th.

10003
07:21:50,459 --> 07:21:56,520
And so we have we have some time that we can work between

10004
07:21:56,520 --> 07:22:02,459
the the bodies that be the flesh out.

10005
07:22:02,459 --> 07:22:10,459
The chair would entertain a motion at this point.

10006
07:22:10,459 --> 07:22:12,459
Mr. Beck.

10007
07:22:12,459 --> 07:22:13,459
Thank you, Chair.

10008
07:22:13,459 --> 07:22:15,459
And I honestly want to thank you sincerely.

10009
07:22:15,459 --> 07:22:16,459
Thank you.

10010
07:22:16,459 --> 07:22:21,439
One of you for speaking up coming out and putting voice to

10011
07:22:21,439 --> 07:22:23,459
your concerns, regardless of what you think.

10012
07:22:23,459 --> 07:22:24,459
We do listen to you.

10013
07:22:24,459 --> 07:22:25,459
We do care.

10014
07:22:25,459 --> 07:22:29,509
And I'm pretty sure this thing moves forward that your

10015
07:22:29,509 --> 07:22:32,459
concerns are going to be addressed.

10016
07:22:32,459 --> 07:22:37,209
That being said, I'm going to motion to approve the 1704 be

10017
07:22:37,209 --> 07:22:41,459
with the record of the proposed conditions for approval,

10018
07:22:41,459 --> 07:22:46,459
which includes an overlay place on the property that the

10019
07:22:46,459 --> 07:22:49,250
maximum permitted density on the site shall be no more than

10020
07:22:49,250 --> 07:22:50,459
four dwelling units per gross acre.

10021
07:22:50,459 --> 07:22:54,580
Permitted land uses on the site, 498 modular and

10022
07:22:54,580 --> 07:22:59,709
manufactured homes, 120.1 acres and six single family

10023
07:22:59,709 --> 07:23:02,459
detached housing on minimum acre.

10024
07:23:02,459 --> 07:23:06,200
And I think I'm going to try and add an amendment here that

10025
07:23:06,200 --> 07:23:10,270
deals with the self-imposed traffic mitigation concern here

10026
07:23:10,270 --> 07:23:14,080
that and I'm so and I may need some help from commissioners

10027
07:23:14,080 --> 07:23:14,459
.

10028
07:23:14,459 --> 07:23:19,840
Help me word this, but I think I want them to address this

10029
07:23:19,840 --> 07:23:25,459
with some concreteness again for lack of a better word.

10030
07:23:25,459 --> 07:23:30,310
By the time they do go before the City Council, where

10031
07:23:30,310 --> 07:23:35,459
citizens and the rest of us can hear what your plan is.

10032
07:23:35,459 --> 07:23:39,459
I would also just let me add for not finished here.

10033
07:23:39,459 --> 07:23:42,740
If you guys came out and force to the City Council meeting

10034
07:23:42,740 --> 07:23:46,180
on December 4th, when you guys came out tonight here and

10035
07:23:46,180 --> 07:23:49,790
start talking about top science and stuff like that, you're

10036
07:23:49,790 --> 07:23:51,459
going to get more done there that way.

10037
07:23:51,459 --> 07:23:54,209
You guys were overwhelming and because they are the

10038
07:23:54,209 --> 07:23:56,819
legislative body, they're the ones that can do that kind of

10039
07:23:56,819 --> 07:23:57,459
thing.

10040
07:23:57,459 --> 07:24:00,659
We can't we're dealing with a specific area here, but they

10041
07:24:00,659 --> 07:24:03,599
can deal with your issue that's disassociated with it

10042
07:24:03,599 --> 07:24:04,459
somewhat.

10043
07:24:04,459 --> 07:24:10,009
So let me just throw that out. So that being said, make a

10044
07:24:10,009 --> 07:24:17,459
motion to approve.

10045
07:24:17,459 --> 07:24:19,459
So we have a first, Commissioner Pereta.

10046
07:24:19,459 --> 07:24:21,459
Second.

10047
07:24:21,459 --> 07:24:25,459
We have a first and a second. Any discussion?

10048
07:24:25,459 --> 07:24:34,459
So a couple things to say before I call us to vote.

10049
07:24:34,459 --> 07:24:36,459
This has been a long night.

10050
07:24:36,459 --> 07:24:42,459
And so first, it's 1am. Thank you for being here.

10051
07:24:42,459 --> 07:24:44,459
There, there could have been.

10052
07:24:44,459 --> 07:24:48,200
Y'all watching this on TV. I hate to break it to you, but

10053
07:24:48,200 --> 07:24:51,459
the couch is way more comfortable.

10054
07:24:51,459 --> 07:24:54,459
Next time you can watch on TV.

10055
07:24:54,459 --> 07:24:58,020
So to raise that, I also I appreciate the applicant two

10056
07:24:58,020 --> 07:25:02,259
years of work is is no trivial amount of time and I don't

10057
07:25:02,259 --> 07:25:03,459
know the cost.

10058
07:25:03,459 --> 07:25:07,459
I actually don't want to know that be probably depressing.

10059
07:25:07,459 --> 07:25:15,080
What I do want to mention is along with Commissioner Becks

10060
07:25:15,080 --> 07:25:15,459
point.

10061
07:25:15,459 --> 07:25:20,459
You I've been serving five years now.

10062
07:25:20,459 --> 07:25:21,459
Three.

10063
07:25:21,459 --> 07:25:24,220
This is the most coordinated effort I've seen of a

10064
07:25:24,220 --> 07:25:27,459
community coming out and being vocal and it's impactful.

10065
07:25:27,459 --> 07:25:29,459
It's it's definitely worth the effort.

10066
07:25:29,459 --> 07:25:32,459
You all did to coordinate. However, you all did this.

10067
07:25:32,459 --> 07:25:36,860
It's it's it's helpful for for us as a commission to

10068
07:25:36,860 --> 07:25:39,459
understand what's going on, especially for me.

10069
07:25:39,459 --> 07:25:42,319
I don't live in the area. I've never even been on that road

10070
07:25:42,319 --> 07:25:42,459
.

10071
07:25:42,459 --> 07:25:48,459
Certainly not. I've been speeding on it.

10072
07:25:48,459 --> 07:25:52,400
And regardless of the vote tonight, it sounds like there's

10073
07:25:52,400 --> 07:25:56,080
there's a legitimate issue with the road that needs to be

10074
07:25:56,080 --> 07:25:57,459
addressed.

10075
07:25:57,459 --> 07:26:01,459
And voting to deny this doesn't fix what is already there.

10076
07:26:01,459 --> 07:26:05,169
Voting to approve this certainly might have an impact on it

10077
07:26:05,169 --> 07:26:05,459
.

10078
07:26:05,459 --> 07:26:08,669
Although if a thousand cars are on that road, it's going to

10079
07:26:08,669 --> 07:26:10,459
be bumper to bumper traffic.

10080
07:26:10,459 --> 07:26:14,290
No speeding. So maybe it pendulum swings the other way with

10081
07:26:14,290 --> 07:26:15,459
extra traffic.

10082
07:26:15,459 --> 07:26:19,919
That being said, I do echo Commissioner Smith's points to

10083
07:26:19,919 --> 07:26:22,459
that we try our best to listen.

10084
07:26:22,459 --> 07:26:24,459
We don't come in here with our mind made up.

10085
07:26:24,459 --> 07:26:26,459
We are not a deceptive commission.

10086
07:26:26,459 --> 07:26:30,259
And so hopefully you all are at City Council and you are

10087
07:26:30,259 --> 07:26:31,459
being vocal.

10088
07:26:31,459 --> 07:26:35,659
But the the laughing at some of our responses, the the

10089
07:26:35,659 --> 07:26:41,459
attempts to make us choose based on money being thrown

10090
07:26:41,459 --> 07:26:43,459
around of how much tax base.

10091
07:26:43,459 --> 07:26:47,400
I don't think that would be a helpful way of addressing

10092
07:26:47,400 --> 07:26:50,020
City Council if you were to go to the City Council and make

10093
07:26:50,020 --> 07:26:52,459
the same plea for what it's worth.

10094
07:26:52,459 --> 07:26:56,020
I certainly appreciate and again, I'm thankful for being

10095
07:26:56,020 --> 07:26:57,459
everyone being here.

10096
07:26:57,459 --> 07:27:01,700
Hopefully there's a mutual respect among citizens of trying

10097
07:27:01,700 --> 07:27:04,459
to make this the city the best we can.

10098
07:27:04,459 --> 07:27:07,709
I think that is my soapbox. So with that, we have a first

10099
07:27:07,709 --> 07:27:08,459
and a second.

10100
07:27:08,459 --> 07:27:14,099
I see one more discussion item, Christian Beck. Can we get

10101
07:27:14,099 --> 07:27:17,720
the wording down on that amendment or is that make that

10102
07:27:17,720 --> 07:27:21,400
clear enough to make sure that I think it makes it clear

10103
07:27:21,400 --> 07:27:21,459
enough?

10104
07:27:21,459 --> 07:27:24,540
OK, it ultimately may end up becoming part of the

10105
07:27:24,540 --> 07:27:27,459
regardless of what how it ultimately ends.

10106
07:27:27,459 --> 07:27:31,799
It might end up being part of the S.U.P. when it goes to to

10107
07:27:31,799 --> 07:27:32,459
council.

10108
07:27:32,459 --> 07:27:39,459
But I think it's fine with with OK, we got it. Great.

10109
07:27:39,459 --> 07:27:39,459
Thanks.

10110
07:27:39,459 --> 07:27:42,349
So we have a motion for approval with staffs

10111
07:27:42,349 --> 07:27:46,459
recommendations and Christian Beck's added condition.

10112
07:27:46,459 --> 07:28:06,459
We'll call for a vote on the board.

10113
07:28:06,459 --> 07:28:09,459
Motion carries seven zero.

10114
07:28:09,459 --> 07:28:21,529
That is the zoning request. The next motion that's needed

10115
07:28:21,529 --> 07:28:26,459
is for the S.U.P.

10116
07:28:26,459 --> 07:28:31,630
Commissioner Smith, just a clarification. The changes to

10117
07:28:31,630 --> 07:28:36,360
the amendment for the recommendation on the zoning should

10118
07:28:36,360 --> 07:28:41,029
have those been amendments to the S.U.P. Richard's going to

10119
07:28:41,029 --> 07:28:41,459
correct that.

10120
07:28:41,459 --> 07:28:46,319
The addition of looking at addressing the traffic

10121
07:28:46,319 --> 07:28:47,459
mitigation.

10122
07:28:47,459 --> 07:28:51,689
I think it's OK as part of the as part of the the overlay

10123
07:28:51,689 --> 07:28:56,919
conditions just for it's not necessarily imposing it. It's

10124
07:28:56,919 --> 07:29:00,459
just a matter of looking at addressing it.

10125
07:29:00,459 --> 07:29:04,400
Well, as I understood the the nature of the motion, you

10126
07:29:04,400 --> 07:29:07,880
were asking for the applicant to come forward with

10127
07:29:07,880 --> 07:29:11,889
something concrete before the matter comes forward to city

10128
07:29:11,889 --> 07:29:15,740
council. And so I think that, you know, how it's best

10129
07:29:15,740 --> 07:29:20,459
addressed may depend in part on how it's articulated.

10130
07:29:20,459 --> 07:29:27,040
And so it may be a good thing to integrate into both the S.

10131
07:29:27,040 --> 07:29:30,459
U.P. and the zoning vote.

10132
07:29:30,459 --> 07:29:32,459
Fisher Sanchez.

10133
07:29:32,459 --> 07:29:34,459
I just want to make a motion.

10134
07:29:34,459 --> 07:29:39,459
Or I guess the S.A. 17.

10135
07:29:39,459 --> 07:29:42,610
And are you doing that with the staff's recommended

10136
07:29:42,610 --> 07:29:44,459
criteria? Yes.

10137
07:29:44,459 --> 07:29:52,759
OK, yes. Commissioner Pernetta. I second that. Is there any

10138
07:29:52,759 --> 07:29:53,459
discussion?

10139
07:29:53,459 --> 07:30:00,459
I have one thing to add to this item is I was a no vote

10140
07:30:00,459 --> 07:30:03,340
about 10 minutes ago based on the safety issues that I

10141
07:30:03,340 --> 07:30:05,459
think every commissioner brought up.

10142
07:30:05,459 --> 07:30:11,740
And my notes here have so many things crossed out of trying

10143
07:30:11,740 --> 07:30:16,509
to listen and gather. I will applaud and recognize the

10144
07:30:16,509 --> 07:30:17,459
applicant.

10145
07:30:17,459 --> 07:30:21,560
It seems like everything that was asked within reason. You

10146
07:30:21,560 --> 07:30:22,459
're like, yeah, we'll do it. Yep, we'll do it.

10147
07:30:22,459 --> 07:30:26,520
And so the what I hope is a sincere offer to help with

10148
07:30:26,520 --> 07:30:31,610
Trinity Lake View, however you can, does proceed to council

10149
07:30:31,610 --> 07:30:35,459
and the for council reading these minutes.

10150
07:30:35,459 --> 07:30:38,830
I want it to be known that that is of top priority for my

10151
07:30:38,830 --> 07:30:42,459
vote. That gets done to it.

10152
07:30:42,459 --> 07:30:46,700
If it's possible to almost force all traffic west, I'm not

10153
07:30:46,700 --> 07:30:48,459
sure how that looks.

10154
07:30:48,459 --> 07:30:52,610
I'm hoping for an awesome, creative solution that's short

10155
07:30:52,610 --> 07:30:54,459
of blowing up a bridge.

10156
07:30:54,459 --> 07:31:00,459
But hopefully there's a solution out there.

10157
07:31:00,459 --> 07:31:05,689
Yeah, I'm hopeful there's a solution that you all can be

10158
07:31:05,689 --> 07:31:11,409
good neighbors, regardless of different perspectives on on

10159
07:31:11,409 --> 07:31:12,459
that area.

10160
07:31:12,459 --> 07:31:16,240
So we have a first and a second scene, no other discussion,

10161
07:31:16,240 --> 07:31:18,459
a call for a motion on the board. Commissioner Ellis. Thank

10162
07:31:18,459 --> 07:31:18,459
you, Joe.

10163
07:31:18,459 --> 07:31:21,740
Just real quick, just to echo what you said. I was the same

10164
07:31:21,740 --> 07:31:22,459
way.

10165
07:31:22,459 --> 07:31:26,139
And I do appreciate your willingness to listen, hear

10166
07:31:26,139 --> 07:31:29,459
concerns and take those concerns seriously.

10167
07:31:29,459 --> 07:31:33,400
And please, as chair mentioned, that is you heard everybody

10168
07:31:33,400 --> 07:31:37,279
's top concern, not only the citizens here, but that is a

10169
07:31:37,279 --> 07:31:38,459
concern to us.

10170
07:31:38,459 --> 07:31:42,200
And we realize that you don't have to do what you just

10171
07:31:42,200 --> 07:31:48,459
offered to do. So thank you.

10172
07:31:48,459 --> 07:32:00,459
Call for a vote on the board.

10173
07:32:00,459 --> 07:32:03,459
Motion carries seven zero.

10174
07:32:03,459 --> 07:32:08,720
The commission. We still have more to do tonight. But what

10175
07:32:08,720 --> 07:32:10,459
I can do is give a couple of minutes for the room to clear

10176
07:32:10,459 --> 07:32:16,459
so we can take a breather real fast.

10177
07:32:16,459 --> 07:32:33,459
Are you awake?

10178
07:32:46,459 --> 07:32:59,459
Your thoughts, concerns.

10179
07:32:59,459 --> 07:33:01,459
You have a great many of them. So thank you.

10180
07:33:01,459 --> 07:33:10,610
But as soon as as soon as the start farms rezoning was done

10181
07:33:10,610 --> 07:33:16,459
, they included that right away.

10182
07:33:16,459 --> 07:33:37,459
Thank you.

10183
07:33:37,459 --> 07:33:43,979
Their projection they have essentially for every thousand

10184
07:33:43,979 --> 07:33:46,459
homes, it's five.

10185
07:33:46,459 --> 07:33:54,459
Generation.

10186
07:33:54,459 --> 07:33:58,459
They usually last this.

10187
07:33:58,459 --> 07:34:04,459
I don't think this is the latest on that.

10188
07:34:04,459 --> 07:34:09,090
With the room being cleared, we have one more public

10189
07:34:09,090 --> 07:34:11,459
hearing item for the evening.

10190
07:34:11,459 --> 07:34:15,459
It is the original F, which has now been moved to G.

10191
07:34:15,459 --> 07:34:19,930
Item S eighteen dash zero zero two a Cindy, you are for

10192
07:34:19,930 --> 07:34:21,459
presentation.

10193
07:34:21,459 --> 07:34:33,459
Any coffee or anything.

10194
07:34:33,459 --> 07:34:38,459
This is a request to hold a public hearing and consider a

10195
07:34:38,459 --> 07:34:41,259
request for specific use permit to allow quick vehicle serv

10196
07:34:41,259 --> 07:34:46,630
icing in suites one ten and sweet one eleven of budget cell

10197
07:34:46,630 --> 07:34:47,459
storage.

10198
07:34:47,459 --> 07:34:57,409
The property is located at twenty eight twenty Virginia

10199
07:34:57,409 --> 07:35:07,459
circle and you can see here's the property right here.

10200
07:35:07,459 --> 07:35:11,700
The location of the vehicle repair facilities right now are

10201
07:35:11,700 --> 07:35:15,459
is in this corner right here highlighted in blue.

10202
07:35:15,459 --> 07:35:19,459
This is the site and also survey of the site.

10203
07:35:19,459 --> 07:35:24,459
That was originally developed as a storage facility.

10204
07:35:24,459 --> 07:35:28,599
And in nineteen eighty five and this building from what I

10205
07:35:28,599 --> 07:35:32,459
can tell on D had was added later in the nineties.

10206
07:35:32,459 --> 07:35:38,419
This building has twelve parking spaces located along the

10207
07:35:38,419 --> 07:35:39,459
front.

10208
07:35:39,459 --> 07:35:45,180
This is a little bit of history of the site as I know as I

10209
07:35:45,180 --> 07:35:50,459
noted it was plotted and developed in nineteen eighty five

10210
07:35:50,459 --> 07:35:51,459
in two thousand two.

10211
07:35:51,459 --> 07:35:56,630
It was rezoned from C commercial to N.R.M.U. in a city wide

10212
07:35:56,630 --> 07:35:59,459
rezoning in twenty ten.

10213
07:35:59,459 --> 07:36:03,479
The CEO was approved for retail sales of automotive

10214
07:36:03,479 --> 07:36:07,860
electronic equipment in sweet one ten and also in twenty

10215
07:36:07,860 --> 07:36:12,459
ten a CEO was denied for auto repair in sweet one eleven.

10216
07:36:12,459 --> 07:36:18,709
The applicant then the applicant for the CEO then revised

10217
07:36:18,709 --> 07:36:24,810
the CEO to be for office only and it was approved in twenty

10218
07:36:24,810 --> 07:36:26,459
seventeen.

10219
07:36:26,459 --> 07:36:30,419
A complaint was received about an auto repair facility

10220
07:36:30,419 --> 07:36:32,459
operating without a CEO.

10221
07:36:32,459 --> 07:36:36,220
At this point the applicant has three options to rectify

10222
07:36:36,220 --> 07:36:37,459
the situation.

10223
07:36:37,459 --> 07:36:42,900
One was to apply to rezone the entire site which legal

10224
07:36:42,900 --> 07:36:47,180
actually we confirmed with legal and they said that wasn't

10225
07:36:47,180 --> 07:36:48,459
the best idea.

10226
07:36:48,459 --> 07:36:51,700
The best idea to go would be to go for a specific use

10227
07:36:51,700 --> 07:36:52,459
permit.

10228
07:36:52,459 --> 07:36:54,459
That's a more conservative approach.

10229
07:36:54,459 --> 07:37:00,419
It would only affect the two suites in question rather than

10230
07:37:00,419 --> 07:37:02,459
the entire site.

10231
07:37:02,459 --> 07:37:06,909
Here are some site photos that I showed you earlier of the

10232
07:37:06,909 --> 07:37:12,799
site showing the parking along the front as well as on the

10233
07:37:12,799 --> 07:37:18,130
vacant lot adjacent to the west and just a few other

10234
07:37:18,130 --> 07:37:20,459
different views of the site.

10235
07:37:20,459 --> 07:37:26,709
When we look at a criteria determining whether or not to

10236
07:37:26,709 --> 07:37:29,919
recommend approval for a specific use permit there are

10237
07:37:29,919 --> 07:37:34,180
criteria that criteria we have to follow as noted in thirty

10238
07:37:34,180 --> 07:37:38,310
five six four consistency with zoning regulations conform

10239
07:37:38,310 --> 07:37:41,459
ity to goals of the Denton plan twenty thirty consistency

10240
07:37:41,459 --> 07:37:45,549
with surrounding development in terms of access nuisance

10241
07:37:45,549 --> 07:37:48,459
prevention and scale of development.

10242
07:37:48,459 --> 07:37:53,459
With regards to zoning the site is zone in our em you

10243
07:37:53,459 --> 07:37:59,409
excuse me the request is for quick vehicle repair which is

10244
07:37:59,409 --> 07:38:05,169
permitted in the N.R.M.U. by permission approval of a

10245
07:38:05,169 --> 07:38:07,459
special use permit.

10246
07:38:07,459 --> 07:38:11,459
I'm sorry I'm tired.

10247
07:38:11,459 --> 07:38:16,810
The subject site is surrounded by vacant lots on all sides

10248
07:38:16,810 --> 07:38:19,459
to the north and the west.

10249
07:38:19,459 --> 07:38:23,400
The site zoning is ECC and then there's some ECI just on

10250
07:38:23,400 --> 07:38:27,939
the other side of that vacant lot to the east is so N.R.M.U

10251
07:38:27,939 --> 07:38:34,580
. to the to the south is N.R.M.U. twelve with the townhouses

10252
07:38:34,580 --> 07:38:38,279
of Ashley Oaks and the area directly adjacent to the

10253
07:38:38,279 --> 07:38:40,459
subject site is a permanent open space.

10254
07:38:40,459 --> 07:38:48,459
When the site was developed in nineteen eighty five there

10255
07:38:48,459 --> 07:38:53,619
were not the standards that we have in place today were not

10256
07:38:53,619 --> 07:38:58,229
in place at that time and as a result the site does not

10257
07:38:58,229 --> 07:39:03,459
comply with parking requirements that we have in place

10258
07:39:03,459 --> 07:39:03,459
today.

10259
07:39:03,459 --> 07:39:07,720
The land use the site the subject site was owned commercial

10260
07:39:07,720 --> 07:39:11,540
at the time it was developed and this self storage was

10261
07:39:11,540 --> 07:39:16,049
permitted use when it was rezoned N.R.M.U. in the two

10262
07:39:16,049 --> 07:39:19,450
thousand and two citywide rezoning it became a special

10263
07:39:19,450 --> 07:39:25,459
exception as we just discussed in the previous case.

10264
07:39:25,459 --> 07:39:30,279
The lot coverage there were no standards for open space at

10265
07:39:30,279 --> 07:39:35,279
that time so pretty much it's all impervious surface except

10266
07:39:35,279 --> 07:39:39,479
for a seven foot strip of land along the front along

10267
07:39:39,479 --> 07:39:40,459
Virginia.

10268
07:39:40,459 --> 07:39:46,130
For community mixed use the dent plan twenty thirty it's

10269
07:39:46,130 --> 07:39:50,459
the sites designated community mixed use.

10270
07:39:50,459 --> 07:39:55,459
The site is a site that is not in place.

10271
07:39:55,459 --> 07:40:00,430
As I noted earlier that while the area is appropriate

10272
07:40:00,430 --> 07:40:06,409
appropriate location for an automobile automobile repair

10273
07:40:06,409 --> 07:40:07,459
facility.

10274
07:40:07,459 --> 07:40:11,830
The warehouse office warehouse may not be ideal for this

10275
07:40:11,830 --> 07:40:16,459
site because of the parking issues that have been noted.

10276
07:40:16,459 --> 07:40:21,709
The site is not in place however based on the way we now we

10277
07:40:21,709 --> 07:40:25,459
currently park repair facilities.

10278
07:40:25,459 --> 07:40:33,459
It ends up that being the same required parking.

10279
07:40:33,459 --> 07:40:38,950
The existing land uses surrounding the site are vacant or

10280
07:40:38,950 --> 07:40:45,310
undeveloped land and university drive in U.S. U.S. three

10281
07:40:45,310 --> 07:40:46,459
eighty.

10282
07:40:46,459 --> 07:40:51,490
The issue P. request is a result of a lack of space to

10283
07:40:51,490 --> 07:40:54,459
adequately park vehicles.

10284
07:40:54,459 --> 07:40:58,150
The request does not provide any additional parking to

10285
07:40:58,150 --> 07:41:00,459
address the original concern.

10286
07:41:00,459 --> 07:41:04,270
I was talking to one of the business owners tonight and he

10287
07:41:04,270 --> 07:41:07,849
may be able to to have a solution to some some parking

10288
07:41:07,849 --> 07:41:14,750
issues that we've been talking about and I'll let him come

10289
07:41:14,750 --> 07:41:18,459
up and address you.

10290
07:41:18,459 --> 07:41:22,830
We sent out notices within two hundred and five hundred

10291
07:41:22,830 --> 07:41:27,209
feet of the subject site and we received no responses in

10292
07:41:27,209 --> 07:41:31,669
return and one side was posted on the site along Virginia

10293
07:41:31,669 --> 07:41:32,459
circle.

10294
07:41:32,459 --> 07:41:35,459
Staff actually recommends denial of this request.

10295
07:41:35,459 --> 07:41:41,509
We find it difficult to approve something that we

10296
07:41:41,509 --> 07:41:42,459
previously denied.

10297
07:41:42,459 --> 07:41:45,400
I want to point out that the applicant who represents

10298
07:41:45,400 --> 07:41:48,830
budget self storage has been extremely cooperative with the

10299
07:41:48,830 --> 07:41:52,139
city and they've done everything that we have asked them to

10300
07:41:52,139 --> 07:41:53,459
do for that reason.

10301
07:41:53,459 --> 07:41:57,060
We are offering conditions so that if the planning and

10302
07:41:57,060 --> 07:42:00,860
zoning commission decides that they wish to recommend

10303
07:42:00,860 --> 07:42:04,909
approval we are offering up the following conditions that a

10304
07:42:04,909 --> 07:42:08,689
new certificate of occupancy for the correct use quick

10305
07:42:08,689 --> 07:42:11,459
vehicle servicing must be applied for and approved.

10306
07:42:11,459 --> 07:42:14,909
This specific use permit shall be limited to these two

10307
07:42:14,909 --> 07:42:18,819
particular business owners and these two particular site su

10308
07:42:18,819 --> 07:42:19,459
ites.

10309
07:42:19,459 --> 07:42:23,900
This permit will be limited to the use description and the

10310
07:42:23,900 --> 07:42:28,330
floor plan shown in exhibit eight and exhibit nine in your

10311
07:42:28,330 --> 07:42:32,409
backup overnight outdoor storage of automobiles is

10312
07:42:32,409 --> 07:42:33,459
prohibited.

10313
07:42:33,459 --> 07:42:37,139
And no more than two customer service vehicles per each

10314
07:42:37,139 --> 07:42:40,729
business can be parked in the parking spaces in front of

10315
07:42:40,729 --> 07:42:43,459
the building during business hours.

10316
07:42:43,459 --> 07:42:47,459
That concludes my presentation.

10317
07:42:47,459 --> 07:42:50,459
Yeah, on this.

10318
07:42:50,459 --> 07:42:56,020
I cannot endorse the second condition that's offered that

10319
07:42:56,020 --> 07:43:01,409
we limit the specific use permit to particular business

10320
07:43:01,409 --> 07:43:06,810
owners because this this really should be a land use issue

10321
07:43:06,810 --> 07:43:11,580
that deals with use of the land and should be agnostic as

10322
07:43:11,580 --> 07:43:14,459
to who the owner of the property is.

10323
07:43:14,459 --> 07:43:19,310
So for whatever it's worth and I apologize for calling it

10324
07:43:19,310 --> 07:43:24,419
audible because we would said he's talking about talking to

10325
07:43:24,419 --> 07:43:26,459
legal it wasn't me.

10326
07:43:26,459 --> 07:43:30,740
Yeah, but it may have been another attorney but it wasn't

10327
07:43:30,740 --> 07:43:34,849
did he any discussion that we had or I would have let you

10328
07:43:34,849 --> 07:43:36,459
know that earlier.

10329
07:43:36,459 --> 07:43:37,459
That's fine.

10330
07:43:37,459 --> 07:43:40,459
We can we can withdraw that recommendation.

10331
07:43:40,459 --> 07:43:44,930
Commissioner Smith to that point on that second one I guess

10332
07:43:44,930 --> 07:43:49,400
the question I was gonna have was making sure that if there

10333
07:43:49,400 --> 07:43:53,840
was an approval that that second condition would apply to

10334
07:43:53,840 --> 07:43:56,459
if the business was ever sold.

10335
07:43:56,459 --> 07:43:59,279
There was a new tenant that came in and use that that

10336
07:43:59,279 --> 07:44:02,720
facility that it wouldn't continue wouldn't be grandfather

10337
07:44:02,720 --> 07:44:05,849
ed it wouldn't be vested it'd be it'd be temporary it'd be

10338
07:44:05,849 --> 07:44:08,459
gone and wouldn't wouldn't carry over.

10339
07:44:08,459 --> 07:44:11,209
Is there a way legal for us to write that as a condition

10340
07:44:11,209 --> 07:44:13,459
because we've done that another thing.

10341
07:44:13,459 --> 07:44:17,029
Could we not just condition it to the property to the

10342
07:44:17,029 --> 07:44:18,459
business owner.

10343
07:44:18,459 --> 07:44:24,709
I know in the past with not here but in other cities with

10344
07:44:24,709 --> 07:44:27,459
specific use permits particularly for private clubs.

10345
07:44:27,459 --> 07:44:31,259
We have condition the specific use permit for alcoholic

10346
07:44:31,259 --> 07:44:35,259
beverage to that business and no other business and if that

10347
07:44:35,259 --> 07:44:39,189
business leaves so does the approval for alcohol beverage

10348
07:44:39,189 --> 07:44:42,849
that that I can see a number of different issues for one

10349
07:44:42,849 --> 07:44:47,459
thing you know there's an alcoholic beverage license that

10350
07:44:47,459 --> 07:44:52,549
is specific to a given establishment or given owner and

10351
07:44:52,549 --> 07:44:55,459
which is a different situation than what we have here.

10352
07:44:55,459 --> 07:45:01,029
Okay. And there's there's also issues of state preemption

10353
07:45:01,029 --> 07:45:04,849
and what have you and you know I'm sorry that we didn't get

10354
07:45:04,849 --> 07:45:08,520
a chance to discuss it before and I have no problem with

10355
07:45:08,520 --> 07:45:12,669
with tying it to to the two particular suites if that's if

10356
07:45:12,669 --> 07:45:15,459
that's appropriate.

10357
07:45:15,459 --> 07:45:21,509
It's it's tying it to the particular owners that I think is

10358
07:45:21,509 --> 07:45:27,459
an issue as far as you know being temporary upon sale.

10359
07:45:27,459 --> 07:45:31,619
I can't quite get there I think that's a condition to

10360
07:45:31,619 --> 07:45:33,459
replace on the CEO.

10361
07:45:33,459 --> 07:45:36,779
That's the case I mean the certificate of occupancy if the

10362
07:45:36,779 --> 07:45:40,119
if that business was just my own understanding of how CEOs

10363
07:45:40,119 --> 07:45:43,250
work if that business was ever to leave and then they go

10364
07:45:43,250 --> 07:45:46,400
vacant and then the owner decide to lease to a new tenant

10365
07:45:46,400 --> 07:45:50,459
that new tenant has to go and apply for a new CEO.

10366
07:45:50,459 --> 07:45:53,759
I've had to do that on leased buildings inside the city of

10367
07:45:53,759 --> 07:45:54,459
Denton.

10368
07:45:54,459 --> 07:46:03,400
So we could tie it to the CEO, and that would solve that

10369
07:46:03,400 --> 07:46:05,459
problem. I'm trying to specific business owner retired to

10370
07:46:05,459 --> 07:46:05,459
stick out to feel occupancy. So if that's a condition that

10371
07:46:05,459 --> 07:46:05,459
you'd endorse that.

10372
07:46:05,459 --> 07:46:06,459
Yeah.

10373
07:46:06,459 --> 07:46:10,560
And, you know, again I'm having to kind of shoot from a

10374
07:46:10,560 --> 07:46:15,180
tractor seat here. But, you know, if you're inclined to do

10375
07:46:15,180 --> 07:46:19,299
that that perhaps the way to address that would be to put

10376
07:46:19,299 --> 07:46:23,330
something in the SCP that says upon consideration of a

10377
07:46:23,330 --> 07:46:26,459
certificate of occupancy for the business

10378
07:46:26,459 --> 07:46:31,520
that the intention is to prevent this use from being

10379
07:46:31,520 --> 07:46:34,459
grandfathered in the future.

10380
07:46:34,459 --> 07:46:39,459
And tie it to the suite.

10381
07:46:39,459 --> 07:46:41,459
Commissioner pernetta.

10382
07:46:41,459 --> 07:46:45,169
Yeah, I just got a couple of questions on on that so the

10383
07:46:45,169 --> 07:46:49,259
primary issue right now that we're having is that there's a

10384
07:46:49,259 --> 07:46:53,139
lack of parking be that the CEO is not currently used for

10385
07:46:53,139 --> 07:46:55,459
what it was approved for right.

10386
07:46:55,459 --> 07:46:57,459
Okay, they're in violation of their CEO.

10387
07:46:57,459 --> 07:47:02,740
Because overall in terms of what the what the, what their

10388
07:47:02,740 --> 07:47:05,549
business does. If it were to be rezoned or something like

10389
07:47:05,549 --> 07:47:06,979
that to that effect I believe there's like a tire shop

10390
07:47:06,979 --> 07:47:08,459
across the street, or something like that.

10391
07:47:08,459 --> 07:47:13,500
As I said, this is not this is not a bad location for a

10392
07:47:13,500 --> 07:47:19,700
business on automotive repair business with the zoning and,

10393
07:47:19,700 --> 07:47:25,750
you know, the surrounding uses. It's just that the parking

10394
07:47:25,750 --> 07:47:27,459
is an issue. And the fact that, while they're in violation

10395
07:47:27,459 --> 07:47:27,459
of their CEO.

10396
07:47:27,459 --> 07:47:31,799
So, so, to the parking. I understand from the photos that,

10397
07:47:31,799 --> 07:47:36,020
you know, the overnight storage and everything was handled

10398
07:47:36,020 --> 07:47:39,459
in a vacant lot that was owned by someone else.

10399
07:47:39,459 --> 07:47:44,659
Pursuant to that, it has there been any plans expressed. If

10400
07:47:44,659 --> 07:47:49,459
we were to approve this, where they would actually park

10401
07:47:49,459 --> 07:47:51,459
those cars is there.

10402
07:47:51,459 --> 07:47:53,459
Would that be on this property or someplace else or.

10403
07:47:53,459 --> 07:47:57,459
That would be on this property.

10404
07:47:57,459 --> 07:48:00,540
The business owner that I talked about is here, and he does

10405
07:48:00,540 --> 07:48:03,459
not own the businesses putting the cars on that lot.

10406
07:48:03,459 --> 07:48:07,459
That that is the other business.

10407
07:48:07,459 --> 07:48:11,470
What this CEO, what this SUV would do was would make him

10408
07:48:11,470 --> 07:48:15,479
have to move those cars off of that lot and and make other

10409
07:48:15,479 --> 07:48:19,459
arrangements for the storage of those vehicles.

10410
07:48:19,459 --> 07:48:22,849
And then verify and validate that that that that whatever

10411
07:48:22,849 --> 07:48:24,459
the other location would be.

10412
07:48:24,459 --> 07:48:28,169
Yes, we would do that when he applies for a certificate of

10413
07:48:28,169 --> 07:48:31,459
occupancy for this quick vehicle service use.

10414
07:48:31,459 --> 07:48:34,459
That would be when we would be working on that.

10415
07:48:34,459 --> 07:48:35,459
Okay, thank you.

10416
07:48:35,459 --> 07:48:40,959
I suggest what thing I'm just wondering, you know, is is is

10417
07:48:40,959 --> 07:48:46,409
the applicant sure that he wants this decision made before

10418
07:48:46,409 --> 07:48:49,459
these details are nailed down?

10419
07:48:49,459 --> 07:48:54,220
Because if it's denied, you know, it could interfere with

10420
07:48:54,220 --> 07:48:56,459
bringing the issue back.

10421
07:48:56,459 --> 07:49:01,639
Is this something that's better nailed down, you know,

10422
07:49:01,639 --> 07:49:09,459
before it's brought forward to a vote here at the PNZ?

10423
07:49:09,459 --> 07:49:10,459
I'll say I'll go forward.

10424
07:49:10,459 --> 07:49:12,459
If you just state your name and address.

10425
07:49:12,459 --> 07:49:13,459
My name is Chris Haney.

10426
07:49:13,459 --> 07:49:19,459
Address is 17787 West FM 922 Forestburg, Texas.

10427
07:49:19,459 --> 07:49:23,400
I'm actually born and raised in Denton, been here 40 years

10428
07:49:23,400 --> 07:49:25,459
and just moved there recently.

10429
07:49:25,459 --> 07:49:28,459
I'm no then.

10430
07:49:28,459 --> 07:49:33,459
I'm here on behalf of Randy and maybe that feedbacks.

10431
07:49:33,459 --> 07:49:37,020
I'm here on behalf of Randy and then who is the property

10432
07:49:37,020 --> 07:49:39,459
manager for budget self storage.

10433
07:49:39,459 --> 07:49:42,459
I occupy unit 110.

10434
07:49:42,459 --> 07:49:45,930
I don't know if you remember from the slideshow unit 110

10435
07:49:45,930 --> 07:49:50,080
was originally for retail sales for car stereo equipment

10436
07:49:50,080 --> 07:49:54,459
that was allowed to be sold and installed on facility.

10437
07:49:54,459 --> 07:50:01,459
My business moved in a direction to where buddies, friends,

10438
07:50:01,459 --> 07:50:03,459
hey, can you change my brakes?

10439
07:50:03,459 --> 07:50:06,459
Hey, can you put a starter on my car?

10440
07:50:06,459 --> 07:50:12,459
Unknowing to zoning and neighborhood residential multi use.

10441
07:50:12,459 --> 07:50:14,459
I had no idea what any of this meant.

10442
07:50:14,459 --> 07:50:18,459
I thought my CEO was just permission for me to be there.

10443
07:50:18,459 --> 07:50:22,060
I've been in businesses where it's on the wall, their

10444
07:50:22,060 --> 07:50:26,349
certificate of occupancy will say North Texas car audio and

10445
07:50:26,349 --> 07:50:30,459
on the sign out on the building, it says auto sound.

10446
07:50:30,459 --> 07:50:36,119
I didn't know the difference between any of this until 2017

10447
07:50:36,119 --> 07:50:36,459
.

10448
07:50:36,459 --> 07:50:41,470
Unlike 111 who was denied a CEO for automotive repair and

10449
07:50:41,470 --> 07:50:46,459
then changed to storage and operated another repair shop.

10450
07:50:46,459 --> 07:50:50,750
I didn't that him him in what he has done in the cars that

10451
07:50:50,750 --> 07:50:53,459
are piled up around the place.

10452
07:50:53,459 --> 07:50:57,459
Look bad for me in one of the pictures with all the cars.

10453
07:50:57,459 --> 07:51:00,250
That's a totally separate piece of property that doesn't

10454
07:51:00,250 --> 07:51:03,169
have anything to do with the property that's highlighted in

10455
07:51:03,169 --> 07:51:06,290
the property that has the for the special use for sweet 110

10456
07:51:06,290 --> 07:51:07,459
and 111.

10457
07:51:07,459 --> 07:51:11,520
The property that was showed with a bunch of cars stored on

10458
07:51:11,520 --> 07:51:15,459
it is commercial property is rented from the owner.

10459
07:51:15,459 --> 07:51:18,400
And it doesn't have anything to do with budget self storage

10460
07:51:18,400 --> 07:51:20,459
property and especially use permit.

10461
07:51:20,459 --> 07:51:24,509
Although some of the cars are from him or whatever, that's

10462
07:51:24,509 --> 07:51:27,459
an entire separate piece of property.

10463
07:51:27,459 --> 07:51:32,860
I'm here because Randy, the manager had prior engagement

10464
07:51:32,860 --> 07:51:35,459
before this date was set.

10465
07:51:35,459 --> 07:51:37,459
And so I had to come in this place.

10466
07:51:37,459 --> 07:51:40,740
It's actually better that I'm here because I probably

10467
07:51:40,740 --> 07:51:42,459
answer more questions.

10468
07:51:42,459 --> 07:51:47,459
Another concern that you may have with two shops.

10469
07:51:47,459 --> 07:51:53,029
And more cars, I would like to address too, because from my

10470
07:51:53,029 --> 07:51:57,790
understanding, the other automotive shop owner will not be

10471
07:51:57,790 --> 07:51:59,459
there much longer.

10472
07:51:59,459 --> 07:52:03,139
He's behind on his rent, has no way to come up with it, and

10473
07:52:03,139 --> 07:52:06,459
he's probably not going to be there much longer.

10474
07:52:06,459 --> 07:52:09,459
So it's only going to be me.

10475
07:52:09,459 --> 07:52:14,459
My CEO that I got was from March of 2010.

10476
07:52:14,459 --> 07:52:15,459
That's why it says 2010 on there.

10477
07:52:15,459 --> 07:52:19,560
But I was in the building next door before that one for six

10478
07:52:19,560 --> 07:52:20,459
months.

10479
07:52:20,459 --> 07:52:24,889
So I've actually been there nine years with no complaints

10480
07:52:24,889 --> 07:52:26,459
and no problems.

10481
07:52:26,459 --> 07:52:29,459
I can fit eight vehicles inside the building.

10482
07:52:29,459 --> 07:52:33,840
So there should never be any time where I have vehicles

10483
07:52:33,840 --> 07:52:36,459
stored outside of the building.

10484
07:52:36,459 --> 07:52:40,529
All the vehicles that are stored out there right now, I

10485
07:52:40,529 --> 07:52:42,459
mean, we can -- I do have a few over there.

10486
07:52:42,459 --> 07:52:43,459
I'm not saying it's all him.

10487
07:52:43,459 --> 07:52:46,459
I do have a few over there, but a lot of it is him.

10488
07:52:46,459 --> 07:52:50,720
But all that can be taken care of if need be and then come

10489
07:52:50,720 --> 07:52:55,180
back and vote or whatever you -- however you were talking

10490
07:52:55,180 --> 07:52:56,459
about that.

10491
07:52:56,459 --> 07:52:57,459
Commissioner Gruner.

10492
07:52:57,459 --> 07:53:00,220
And that was going to be my question because right now the

10493
07:53:00,220 --> 07:53:01,459
recommendation is a denial.

10494
07:53:01,459 --> 07:53:04,459
So based on what you're saying, that there are some factors

10495
07:53:04,459 --> 07:53:08,389
in terms of the other parties involved that may change and

10496
07:53:08,389 --> 07:53:11,459
may make this a little bit easier to go through,

10497
07:53:11,459 --> 07:53:17,189
my understanding would be that probably if this would be

10498
07:53:17,189 --> 07:53:18,459
amenable,

10499
07:53:18,459 --> 07:53:22,080
would it be something that you'll be open to do to

10500
07:53:22,080 --> 07:53:25,459
basically kind of retract this right now,

10501
07:53:25,459 --> 07:53:28,220
and then maybe add some details in order that we've

10502
07:53:28,220 --> 07:53:31,200
discussed tonight that would make us more likely to vote

10503
07:53:31,200 --> 07:53:31,459
yes?

10504
07:53:31,459 --> 07:53:34,209
Because my understanding is that if we go through the

10505
07:53:34,209 --> 07:53:37,490
denial, that would create delays in terms of you getting an

10506
07:53:37,490 --> 07:53:38,459
approval in the future.

10507
07:53:38,459 --> 07:53:42,430
And I don't think anyone on here is particularly excited

10508
07:53:42,430 --> 07:53:46,459
about creating a situation which a local business owner

10509
07:53:46,459 --> 07:53:48,459
maybe put out

10510
07:53:48,459 --> 07:53:52,169
or just a sort of delight to get the details sorted out

10511
07:53:52,169 --> 07:53:54,459
would be beneficial for you.

10512
07:53:54,459 --> 07:53:59,819
I mean, me and the manager of the property have both spent

10513
07:53:59,819 --> 07:54:03,970
money and jumped through hoops and trying to do everything

10514
07:54:03,970 --> 07:54:05,459
possible to make this work.

10515
07:54:05,459 --> 07:54:10,520
And I don't know basically within a month if my neighbor is

10516
07:54:10,520 --> 07:54:13,459
still going to be there or not.

10517
07:54:13,459 --> 07:54:17,909
And he's the one that's causing a lot of problems for me

10518
07:54:17,909 --> 07:54:20,459
because I'm not a dirty guy.

10519
07:54:20,459 --> 07:54:24,509
I don't litter up the place. I don't park all the cars down

10520
07:54:24,509 --> 07:54:25,459
the road.

10521
07:54:25,459 --> 07:54:29,790
That road of parking that was in front of the building that

10522
07:54:29,790 --> 07:54:34,080
showed every parking spot taken, there's probably four cars

10523
07:54:34,080 --> 07:54:35,459
out there right now.

10524
07:54:35,459 --> 07:54:39,680
I would say there's at least eight parking spots available

10525
07:54:39,680 --> 07:54:40,459
right now.

10526
07:54:40,459 --> 07:54:44,099
And two of the cars belong to a guy that rents a storage

10527
07:54:44,099 --> 07:54:46,599
unit farther down that doesn't have anything to do with

10528
07:54:46,599 --> 07:54:47,459
either one of our businesses,

10529
07:54:47,459 --> 07:54:50,459
but he has two cars parked out there. You know what I mean?

10530
07:54:50,459 --> 07:54:56,490
So as far as me and my footprint over there, it's not going

10531
07:54:56,490 --> 07:55:03,459
to be noticed if he moves out because it's his problem.

10532
07:55:03,459 --> 07:55:07,459
You know what I mean? And I have two spots.

10533
07:55:07,459 --> 07:55:11,549
I actually have two spots in the back of the facility that

10534
07:55:11,549 --> 07:55:13,459
are rented parking spots.

10535
07:55:13,459 --> 07:55:18,459
And I have a 22 acre lot that I can put cars on if need be.

10536
07:55:18,459 --> 07:55:23,750
So just for clarification, that motion would leave the

10537
07:55:23,750 --> 07:55:27,729
public hearing open and we can continue to a date certain

10538
07:55:27,729 --> 07:55:31,759
of November 14th if the commission wanted to exercise that

10539
07:55:31,759 --> 07:55:32,459
option.

10540
07:55:32,459 --> 07:55:33,889
But it looks like we have some other questions or

10541
07:55:33,889 --> 07:55:35,459
discussions. Commissioner Beck.

10542
07:55:35,459 --> 07:55:38,340
Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Mr. Haney. Appreciate you

10543
07:55:38,340 --> 07:55:39,459
coming forward.

10544
07:55:39,459 --> 07:55:44,040
And I'm sorry the other guy isn't here now. Your is Haney's

10545
07:55:44,040 --> 07:55:44,459
garage.

10546
07:55:44,459 --> 07:55:49,630
Correct. Okay. And you're in suite 110. 110. So you're not

10547
07:55:49,630 --> 07:55:50,459
at the very end.

10548
07:55:50,459 --> 07:55:55,159
Okay. And what is it again that you do? You started out

10549
07:55:55,159 --> 07:55:57,400
wanting to do something and now you've gotten into

10550
07:55:57,400 --> 07:55:58,459
something bigger.

10551
07:55:58,459 --> 07:56:04,389
Okay. So I own a stereo shop in McKinney, Texas from 98 to

10552
07:56:04,389 --> 07:56:05,459
05.

10553
07:56:05,459 --> 07:56:10,169
In 05 I got broke into. I didn't have insurance. I lost

10554
07:56:10,169 --> 07:56:11,459
everything.

10555
07:56:11,459 --> 07:56:14,869
So then I moved my business back here and just started

10556
07:56:14,869 --> 07:56:18,419
doing mobile a little bit at a time because I didn't have

10557
07:56:18,419 --> 07:56:19,459
the money.

10558
07:56:19,459 --> 07:56:22,419
I got enough money to open another shop. The storage units

10559
07:56:22,419 --> 07:56:25,060
were available. A buddy of mine knew the guy that rented

10560
07:56:25,060 --> 07:56:25,459
them.

10561
07:56:25,459 --> 07:56:28,580
And so I opened a stereo shop and I was doing good for a

10562
07:56:28,580 --> 07:56:34,459
little while making money. And then it just died off.

10563
07:56:34,459 --> 07:56:38,400
So all my buddies in the business went to home audio, home

10564
07:56:38,400 --> 07:56:42,459
theater and all that stuff. I didn't go that route.

10565
07:56:42,459 --> 07:56:44,610
And next thing I know, hey, this buddy is asking me to put

10566
07:56:44,610 --> 07:56:48,150
brakes on his car. This guy's asking me to do a starter or

10567
07:56:48,150 --> 07:56:49,459
an alternator or.

10568
07:56:49,459 --> 07:56:53,569
So you were initially just servicing audio. Correct. We

10569
07:56:53,569 --> 07:56:56,459
were actually. They're in the shop. They bring the car in.

10570
07:56:56,459 --> 07:57:01,310
We put neon lights under the car. We do TV screens in the

10571
07:57:01,310 --> 07:57:05,459
headrest, stereo speakers, amplifiers.

10572
07:57:05,459 --> 07:57:08,150
Some of the jobs would take us six, eight hours to get them

10573
07:57:08,150 --> 07:57:09,459
all wired up and installed.

10574
07:57:09,459 --> 07:57:14,029
Okay. Were you at that time, were you able not able to do

10575
07:57:14,029 --> 07:57:17,849
the jobs that day so they leave the car overnight or were

10576
07:57:17,849 --> 07:57:20,459
you just doing some custom jobs?

10577
07:57:20,459 --> 07:57:23,209
Yes. Took two to three days. Okay. Where were you leaving

10578
07:57:23,209 --> 07:57:24,459
those cars? Inside the facility.

10579
07:57:24,459 --> 07:57:27,819
Inside. Okay. You say you can put up to eight vehicles in

10580
07:57:27,819 --> 07:57:28,459
there.

10581
07:57:28,459 --> 07:57:32,459
Between the two shops. Yes. Between the two shops means.

10582
07:57:32,459 --> 07:57:35,720
Correct. So between between both of our shops, we can fit

10583
07:57:35,720 --> 07:57:36,459
eight vehicles inside.

10584
07:57:36,459 --> 07:57:39,790
Okay. Well, if he's going to close down, then that'll just

10585
07:57:39,790 --> 07:57:42,990
leave you. How many can you get in? If he closes, then I

10586
07:57:42,990 --> 07:57:44,459
would take over.

10587
07:57:44,459 --> 07:57:48,549
Okay. So right now, how many can you get into suite 110? In

10588
07:57:48,549 --> 07:57:52,459
110? Yeah. I can squeeze five, but four comfortably.

10589
07:57:52,459 --> 07:57:57,459
Okay. There's normally four cars. Okay.

10590
07:57:57,459 --> 07:58:01,020
Well, I'm glad you explained yourself. I wanted to give you

10591
07:58:01,020 --> 07:58:04,459
an opportunity to explain, you know, how.

10592
07:58:04,459 --> 07:58:06,590
I just want to explain how it evolved into what it is. It

10593
07:58:06,590 --> 07:58:09,840
looked like it was a deliberately deceptive mood when you

10594
07:58:09,840 --> 07:58:13,130
got your CO, but I, you know, based on what you've said now

10595
07:58:13,130 --> 07:58:13,459
that.

10596
07:58:13,459 --> 07:58:18,360
It just evolved into what it is. And at the time, this is

10597
07:58:18,360 --> 07:58:23,459
my first time to ever be in any kind of meeting like this.

10598
07:58:23,459 --> 07:58:27,459
It's really been after what went ahead of me. It's whoa.

10599
07:58:27,459 --> 07:58:32,310
Yeah. Okay. So here's Mike. I was out there today and there

10600
07:58:32,310 --> 07:58:34,459
were cars out front.

10601
07:58:34,459 --> 07:58:38,020
Probably not as bad as on her videos, but that empty lot

10602
07:58:38,020 --> 07:58:41,759
had, you know, I've got pictures of it here, had at least

10603
07:58:41,759 --> 07:58:45,459
two dozen vehicles. How many of those were yours?

10604
07:58:45,459 --> 07:58:49,509
I mean, to be quite honest, I rent that lot from Billy

10605
07:58:49,509 --> 07:58:50,459
Stevens.

10606
07:58:50,459 --> 07:58:54,459
Oh, you do? Yes, sir. Okay. So there's an understanding.

10607
07:58:54,459 --> 07:58:55,459
There's an understanding there.

10608
07:58:55,459 --> 07:58:59,669
That you can put the majority of those vehicles were on

10609
07:58:59,669 --> 07:59:04,520
gravel with no grass. The rains that have come through. I

10610
07:59:04,520 --> 07:59:07,549
have a guy that comes through in most just to keep the city

10611
07:59:07,549 --> 07:59:08,459
office back.

10612
07:59:08,459 --> 07:59:10,799
But the rains that came through the grass has grown through

10613
07:59:10,799 --> 07:59:12,930
all the gravel and it looks like they're just parked on

10614
07:59:12,930 --> 07:59:16,459
grass. Now some of Mr. Melton's my neighbor.

10615
07:59:16,459 --> 07:59:22,060
Some of his cars are parked on the grass. I actually own

10616
07:59:22,060 --> 07:59:27,779
probably four to six of those cars that I'll be taking home

10617
07:59:27,779 --> 07:59:31,459
this week or within the next week.

10618
07:59:31,459 --> 07:59:34,490
There's probably only about three cars, maybe four cars

10619
07:59:34,490 --> 07:59:37,509
over there that are customers that need to be worked on and

10620
07:59:37,509 --> 07:59:39,459
the rest of them are mountains.

10621
07:59:39,459 --> 07:59:42,229
Okay, so explain to us how you're going to meet the

10622
07:59:42,229 --> 07:59:45,400
criteria if we approve this, the condition that you will

10623
07:59:45,400 --> 07:59:48,659
meet the minimum. A lot of what's on that lot right now is

10624
07:59:48,659 --> 07:59:53,459
not stuff that it's stuff that's been accumulated over time

10625
07:59:53,459 --> 07:59:55,270
that hasn't been dealt with because it didn't have to be

10626
07:59:55,270 --> 07:59:55,459
dealt with.

10627
07:59:55,459 --> 07:59:58,860
So how are we moving those out? How are we getting rid of

10628
07:59:58,860 --> 08:00:00,740
those? I actually have been no towing on retainer. I can

10629
08:00:00,740 --> 08:00:04,099
call them and have them tow anything for me at any time and

10630
08:00:04,099 --> 08:00:06,459
I pay the bill at the end of the week.

10631
08:00:06,459 --> 08:00:09,459
So some of them will be towed back to the owner's house.

10632
08:00:09,459 --> 08:00:13,389
Some of those vehicles were towed in and it's jobs that I

10633
08:00:13,389 --> 08:00:16,459
don't do or jobs that they can't afford to do.

10634
08:00:16,459 --> 08:00:20,020
And so I have just allowed them to sit there instead of

10635
08:00:20,020 --> 08:00:24,080
saying, hey, no, you have to pick up your car. It can't

10636
08:00:24,080 --> 08:00:27,490
stay here, you know, or I'm gonna have to charge stores or

10637
08:00:27,490 --> 08:00:29,459
vice versa. You know what I mean?

10638
08:00:29,459 --> 08:00:33,610
Sure. Some of those have been there for quite a while and

10639
08:00:33,610 --> 08:00:37,380
that lot's been cleaned off before. There was a time in the

10640
08:00:37,380 --> 08:00:39,639
past where a letter got sent in and Billy said, hey,

10641
08:00:39,639 --> 08:00:41,459
everything's got to come off the lot.

10642
08:00:41,459 --> 08:00:44,259
And the whole lot got cleaned and two customers didn't pick

10643
08:00:44,259 --> 08:00:46,659
up their cars and those cars got towed off. So he

10644
08:00:46,659 --> 08:00:49,459
essentially didn't care until somebody else complained.

10645
08:00:49,459 --> 08:00:51,459
Correct. He's okay with it.

10646
08:00:51,459 --> 08:00:57,310
But moving forward, I want to focus more on shocks, struts,

10647
08:00:57,310 --> 08:01:02,520
brakes, you know, just in and out jobs. You know, I don't

10648
08:01:02,520 --> 08:01:05,970
want any cars coming in that need major work that are going

10649
08:01:05,970 --> 08:01:10,159
to take, you know, days or a week to fix or anything like

10650
08:01:10,159 --> 08:01:10,459
that.

10651
08:01:10,459 --> 08:01:14,790
I've already had two transmission jobs lately that I sent

10652
08:01:14,790 --> 08:01:19,110
out that I just, I'm not, I want to get away from any major

10653
08:01:19,110 --> 08:01:23,169
engine or transmission repair and just stick with the

10654
08:01:23,169 --> 08:01:26,459
basics and get them in and out, in and out.

10655
08:01:26,459 --> 08:01:29,319
Because what I'm running into is I'm a small shop and I

10656
08:01:29,319 --> 08:01:33,459
have one helper. It's me. When I'm not there, I'm closed.

10657
08:01:33,459 --> 08:01:38,520
So what I'm running into on some of the other bigger jobs

10658
08:01:38,520 --> 08:01:42,330
that are coming in, it's taken too much time to complete

10659
08:01:42,330 --> 08:01:45,389
this job, where I've got three or four customers that have

10660
08:01:45,389 --> 08:01:48,599
showed up with little short jobs that we could have done in

10661
08:01:48,599 --> 08:01:50,459
that amount of time.

10662
08:01:50,459 --> 08:01:54,939
And the money on the big jobs is not an issue. I would

10663
08:01:54,939 --> 08:01:58,869
rather just have more customers in and out in and out, then

10664
08:01:58,869 --> 08:02:01,459
to be working on one big job all day.

10665
08:02:01,459 --> 08:02:05,439
Okay, here's my concern going forward. I was just off the

10666
08:02:05,439 --> 08:02:08,389
bat, ready to deny this thing. I'm glad you explained

10667
08:02:08,389 --> 08:02:12,409
yourself a little bit better. But going forward, I'm not

10668
08:02:12,409 --> 08:02:17,229
sure that we can, you know, hold to the notion that this

10669
08:02:17,229 --> 08:02:19,459
other guy is going to close up.

10670
08:02:19,459 --> 08:02:22,459
Because if he doesn't, then he keeps causing problems.

10671
08:02:22,459 --> 08:02:24,459
Well, I don't know how big a factor that is.

10672
08:02:24,459 --> 08:02:28,169
Well, the problem is parking. If he's not, if he's got a

10673
08:02:28,169 --> 08:02:29,459
lot of cars out there.

10674
08:02:29,459 --> 08:02:33,459
Right. I don't, I don't know how big a factor that is.

10675
08:02:33,459 --> 08:02:38,380
Because I mean there's, there's already an arrangement and

10676
08:02:38,380 --> 08:02:42,529
an agreement for me to take over it when winning if he

10677
08:02:42,529 --> 08:02:46,459
leaves and my understanding talking to him.

10678
08:02:46,459 --> 08:02:49,540
And what he's telling me he's moving to back to his house

10679
08:02:49,540 --> 08:02:52,799
to his shop. Okay. And shutting down his business before

10680
08:02:52,799 --> 08:02:56,139
Thanksgiving. Okay, that's my understanding, regardless of

10681
08:02:56,139 --> 08:02:58,459
whether he does or not, you're telling us that you can get

10682
08:02:58,459 --> 08:02:58,459
those cars off that lot.

10683
08:02:58,459 --> 08:03:02,919
And abide by the minimum parking by obviously putting up to

10684
08:03:02,919 --> 08:03:07,299
eight vehicles in two suites. Correct. And then you have

10685
08:03:07,299 --> 08:03:10,180
access to two parking spaces out front. Two parking spots

10686
08:03:10,180 --> 08:03:11,459
in the back that are rented.

10687
08:03:11,459 --> 08:03:13,459
Okay. Okay.

10688
08:03:13,459 --> 08:03:18,060
Well that to me, you know, the criteria and I guess we're

10689
08:03:18,060 --> 08:03:22,040
gonna go get rid of number two there. Is that what I'm

10690
08:03:22,040 --> 08:03:23,459
understanding going to attach it.

10691
08:03:23,459 --> 08:03:25,459
Okay.

10692
08:03:25,459 --> 08:03:28,459
Let's. Okay, great.

10693
08:03:28,459 --> 08:03:29,459
Thank you, sir.

10694
08:03:29,459 --> 08:03:34,459
So before we get to Commissioner Smith, I'm going to

10695
08:03:34,459 --> 08:03:36,459
question or Sanchez.

10696
08:03:36,459 --> 08:03:39,459
I guess, I think you already answered my question but.

10697
08:03:39,459 --> 08:03:42,680
So if you take over the other shop, it'll give you eight

10698
08:03:42,680 --> 08:03:47,080
eight locations, I mean eight eight spots. Yes. And then

10699
08:03:47,080 --> 08:03:50,459
outside you'll have what four or two.

10700
08:03:50,459 --> 08:03:56,580
Two per business. That's basically up to the CEO, because I

10701
08:03:56,580 --> 08:03:58,080
would have to reapply for a new CEO under the special use

10702
08:03:58,080 --> 08:03:58,459
permit.

10703
08:03:58,459 --> 08:04:02,180
Well based on the existing parking you had 12. And so I don

10704
08:04:02,180 --> 08:04:05,459
't know how many offices you have in that total.

10705
08:04:05,459 --> 08:04:08,409
Right now he has three parking spaces and Melton's has four

10706
08:04:08,409 --> 08:04:13,630
parking spaces. So if he moves, are you going to stay in

10707
08:04:13,630 --> 08:04:17,130
your current suite and then go into the other suite as well

10708
08:04:17,130 --> 08:04:17,459
?

10709
08:04:17,459 --> 08:04:22,459
I would rent it for additional parking and just additional.

10710
08:04:22,459 --> 08:04:23,459
So he would have.

10711
08:04:23,459 --> 08:04:26,909
I wouldn't have to front doors or two offices the office

10712
08:04:26,909 --> 08:04:30,500
would stay shut I would stay where I'm at now, and just use

10713
08:04:30,500 --> 08:04:31,459
the space.

10714
08:04:31,459 --> 08:04:34,459
He would have seven spaces seven spaces there.

10715
08:04:34,459 --> 08:04:38,639
Okay. And then you also have a location where you can take

10716
08:04:38,639 --> 08:04:39,459
vehicles to.

10717
08:04:39,459 --> 08:04:41,459
Correct. I'm 22 acres that I can park.

10718
08:04:41,459 --> 08:04:43,970
Okay. And that are not in the city of Denton or the county

10719
08:04:43,970 --> 08:04:44,459
of Denton.

10720
08:04:44,459 --> 08:04:47,459
Okay.

10721
08:04:47,459 --> 08:04:52,790
And you said you currently were renting the adjacent lot to

10722
08:04:52,790 --> 08:04:53,459
park.

10723
08:04:53,459 --> 08:05:01,080
Yeah, I, I have an agreement to keep the lawn and

10724
08:05:01,080 --> 08:05:05,750
everything in compliance for the city of Denton to be able

10725
08:05:05,750 --> 08:05:06,459
to park cars there.

10726
08:05:06,459 --> 08:05:11,630
I can park vehicles on the gravel there, as long as I keep

10727
08:05:11,630 --> 08:05:15,959
everything mode and keep it up to code. So there's no

10728
08:05:15,959 --> 08:05:16,459
problem.

10729
08:05:16,459 --> 08:05:22,389
And everything was up to code until the other repair shop

10730
08:05:22,389 --> 08:05:27,459
has cars parked all over the grass and not on the gravel.

10731
08:05:27,459 --> 08:05:30,279
But I can make all those disappear it's not a problem it's

10732
08:05:30,279 --> 08:05:33,099
just never been a problem until now and now this problem I

10733
08:05:33,099 --> 08:05:34,459
can make it disappear.

10734
08:05:34,459 --> 08:05:38,459
I don't have to have a lot. I just use it because it's

10735
08:05:38,459 --> 08:05:43,459
convenient.

10736
08:05:43,459 --> 08:05:44,459
Chris Smith.

10737
08:05:44,459 --> 08:05:51,750
I'd like to motion to table the vote on that's 18 dash 0002

10738
08:05:51,750 --> 08:05:54,459
a reason for that would be.

10739
08:05:54,459 --> 08:05:58,759
There's a lot sounds like a lot of a lot of promises a lot

10740
08:05:58,759 --> 08:06:01,459
of things that need to be done.

10741
08:06:01,459 --> 08:06:04,610
A lot of things that don't necessarily can't be put into a

10742
08:06:04,610 --> 08:06:06,459
condition for an approval.

10743
08:06:06,459 --> 08:06:10,020
You know, like, I wouldn't want to see it come back in

10744
08:06:10,020 --> 08:06:13,580
front of us until the guy who's about to leave is going to

10745
08:06:13,580 --> 08:06:14,459
be gone.

10746
08:06:14,459 --> 08:06:18,400
That's how big a factor is that because the pretty manager

10747
08:06:18,400 --> 08:06:21,909
the manager of the property seems to think that he didn't

10748
08:06:21,909 --> 08:06:23,459
even want me to mention that.

10749
08:06:23,459 --> 08:06:26,580
But I feel like I need to mention it because it's it's more

10750
08:06:26,580 --> 08:06:28,459
than likely going to happen.

10751
08:06:28,459 --> 08:06:31,630
And he's afraid that he was afraid he didn't want me to

10752
08:06:31,630 --> 08:06:35,220
mention that he might be leaving because he was afraid that

10753
08:06:35,220 --> 08:06:38,459
this would start the whole process over again.

10754
08:06:38,459 --> 08:06:39,459
No, no, no.

10755
08:06:39,459 --> 08:06:42,580
It's not. I'd say that the if you're saying that he's the

10756
08:06:42,580 --> 08:06:45,310
he's the main main reason why there's the parking issue,

10757
08:06:45,310 --> 08:06:47,889
which is the pretty much I'd say probably the biggest the

10758
08:06:47,889 --> 08:06:49,459
biggest issue as a council.

10759
08:06:49,459 --> 08:06:52,709
He has a question. Is that is that is that that's the

10760
08:06:52,709 --> 08:06:55,900
parking issue that I'd like to see the parking issue

10761
08:06:55,900 --> 08:06:58,979
resolved or at least a plan put together rather than

10762
08:06:58,979 --> 08:07:02,060
something we just kind of discuss here willy nilly before

10763
08:07:02,060 --> 08:07:04,459
we put up an approval.

10764
08:07:04,459 --> 08:07:08,599
And so I'd really like to see some some actual slip solid

10765
08:07:08,599 --> 08:07:13,459
ified that. Yep. He's he's out X date. These cars are going

10766
08:07:13,459 --> 08:07:17,689
to be moved off this lot and we have an agreement that that

10767
08:07:17,689 --> 08:07:19,459
lot will stay empty.

10768
08:07:19,459 --> 08:07:22,200
And if they're not, then the CEO has has the right to be

10769
08:07:22,200 --> 08:07:24,860
pulled. And those kinds of things are are I think Jerry's

10770
08:07:24,860 --> 08:07:26,459
probably going to yell at me.

10771
08:07:26,459 --> 08:07:29,770
No, they're looking at me. Okay. But just I don't know. I

10772
08:07:29,770 --> 08:07:32,500
don't feel like I don't feel like it's this is giving a

10773
08:07:32,500 --> 08:07:37,459
definite enough of an answer. And so I'd like to table it.

10774
08:07:37,459 --> 08:07:40,209
City staff and you work together and the owner work

10775
08:07:40,209 --> 08:07:42,840
together come back and give some more definite. These

10776
08:07:42,840 --> 08:07:46,459
things cannot happen. If that's it, then okay.

10777
08:07:46,459 --> 08:07:49,610
We'll vote on it then. That's my question. Mr. Smith. Are

10778
08:07:49,610 --> 08:07:54,459
you give the date certain of the 28th. Yes, sir.

10779
08:07:54,459 --> 08:08:00,459
And do you think number 28th is okay to come back. Yes.

10780
08:08:00,459 --> 08:08:00,459
Okay.

10781
08:08:00,459 --> 08:08:03,459
Everything is supposed to happen within that time. Perfect.

10782
08:08:03,459 --> 08:08:06,459
Yeah. So we can kick the can for a little bit then.

10783
08:08:06,459 --> 08:08:10,689
So we have a first with Commissioner Smith and Christian

10784
08:08:10,689 --> 08:08:11,459
Pernetta.

10785
08:08:11,459 --> 08:08:14,639
Yeah, as it stands, I don't think I could approve it. But

10786
08:08:14,639 --> 08:08:17,409
if he were to come back in a month with, you know, more

10787
08:08:17,409 --> 08:08:20,459
definite plans. Yes, I'd second to this.

10788
08:08:20,459 --> 08:08:24,020
Commissioner Ellis. Thank you, Chair. Mr. Haney, thank you

10789
08:08:24,020 --> 08:08:26,979
for coming out and staying in this epic meeting that we're

10790
08:08:26,979 --> 08:08:27,459
in.

10791
08:08:27,459 --> 08:08:30,779
Yeah, I mean, the issue is certainly the 28 cars or

10792
08:08:30,779 --> 08:08:35,259
whatever is parked down there right now. I mean, that is

10793
08:08:35,259 --> 08:08:36,459
not okay.

10794
08:08:36,459 --> 08:08:41,659
Certainly does not help us try to get this approved. So,

10795
08:08:41,659 --> 08:08:43,860
you know, it's not that we're trying to put you out of

10796
08:08:43,860 --> 08:08:44,459
business.

10797
08:08:44,459 --> 08:08:50,459
You've just been operating a business that's not allowed.

10798
08:08:50,459 --> 08:08:55,869
Right. So trying to work with that, you're going to have to

10799
08:08:55,869 --> 08:08:57,459
work on that other end.

10800
08:08:57,459 --> 08:09:01,740
So by tabling this gives you some time. But those cars have

10801
08:09:01,740 --> 08:09:05,580
got to be gone because part of the everything in my control

10802
08:09:05,580 --> 08:09:08,459
will be gone because part of the condition of this.

10803
08:09:08,459 --> 08:09:12,029
But it's both suites. So whether he's gone or not, I mean,

10804
08:09:12,029 --> 08:09:15,389
if he if he leaves and cars are left behind, then I'll have

10805
08:09:15,389 --> 08:09:16,459
them towed off.

10806
08:09:16,459 --> 08:09:19,919
Yeah, the property owner or what have you. But I mean, it's

10807
08:09:19,919 --> 08:09:22,459
it's both of these suites.

10808
08:09:22,459 --> 08:09:25,619
One of the conditions is going to be you can't even park

10809
08:09:25,619 --> 08:09:29,139
cars overnight there outside anywhere, not even on the two

10810
08:09:29,139 --> 08:09:32,459
in front would be part of this condition overnight.

10811
08:09:32,459 --> 08:09:36,810
They're going to have to be indoors somewhere. So I think

10812
08:09:36,810 --> 08:09:40,729
all of us would probably need to see some effort going

10813
08:09:40,729 --> 08:09:44,459
forward to show that you could actually comply with that.

10814
08:09:44,459 --> 08:09:48,159
I generally don't leave cars out overnight. Right. Right.

10815
08:09:48,159 --> 08:09:50,459
Well, but there's 28 of them sitting there overnight.

10816
08:09:50,459 --> 08:09:53,409
I'm talking about the part of this condition that we're

10817
08:09:53,409 --> 08:09:56,419
talking about is from the business standpoint, moving

10818
08:09:56,419 --> 08:09:58,459
forward and how it would operate.

10819
08:09:58,459 --> 08:10:00,740
And so I wouldn't leave customer cars like I own a few of

10820
08:10:00,740 --> 08:10:03,330
those cars. I bought them from customers and just never did

10821
08:10:03,330 --> 08:10:04,459
anything with them.

10822
08:10:04,459 --> 08:10:07,290
But in the future, I wouldn't do that. You know what I mean

10823
08:10:07,290 --> 08:10:08,459
? I understand that that's part of your business.

10824
08:10:08,459 --> 08:10:13,060
That's just what happens in the mechanics world. But they

10825
08:10:13,060 --> 08:10:16,459
can't be parked on a vacant lot like they are.

10826
08:10:16,459 --> 08:10:20,720
Well, on a proof service, they were fine through code. But

10827
08:10:20,720 --> 08:10:24,849
I'm not arguing the fact I'll make that disappear if I can

10828
08:10:24,849 --> 08:10:25,459
stay.

10829
08:10:25,459 --> 08:10:29,560
You know what I mean? I think this helps. At the time, they

10830
08:10:29,560 --> 08:10:30,459
were parked on the approved service.

10831
08:10:30,459 --> 08:10:32,689
It doesn't give you a denial right now, which is I think

10832
08:10:32,689 --> 08:10:35,619
where this was probably going to head. And then that doesn

10833
08:10:35,619 --> 08:10:36,459
't help you.

10834
08:10:36,459 --> 08:10:44,459
So, thank you. Krischer Smith. Yeah, I'm totally okay with

10835
08:10:44,459 --> 08:10:47,459
having a motion for approval in November 28th.

10836
08:10:47,459 --> 08:10:51,400
After we table it and see some progress. It's just that if

10837
08:10:51,400 --> 08:10:55,259
we deny you now, you're kind of up a creek without a paddle

10838
08:10:55,259 --> 08:10:58,700
. If we approve you now, we have no definite that changes

10839
08:10:58,700 --> 08:11:00,459
are going to happen.

10840
08:11:00,459 --> 08:11:02,490
And if they don't happen, then it's going to become a code

10841
08:11:02,490 --> 08:11:03,459
enforcement issue.

10842
08:11:03,459 --> 08:11:05,450
And the last thing we want to have to do is have a local

10843
08:11:05,450 --> 08:11:07,459
business has to tussle with code enforcement.

10844
08:11:07,459 --> 08:11:09,500
And we just said, oh, yeah, we'll do it. Just go ahead and

10845
08:11:09,500 --> 08:11:12,310
get it done, whatever. Rather say, just table it, come back

10846
08:11:12,310 --> 08:11:14,389
, say, hey, we got all this stuff moved around. These things

10847
08:11:14,389 --> 08:11:15,459
have been done.

10848
08:11:15,459 --> 08:11:17,619
This guy's out of here. He's the one. He's the joker. He's

10849
08:11:17,619 --> 08:11:19,529
been jacked around my cars that I bought that have been

10850
08:11:19,529 --> 08:11:22,389
sitting out there. They're now on my 22 acre lot. Everyone

10851
08:11:22,389 --> 08:11:24,459
's on the same page.

10852
08:11:24,459 --> 08:11:27,200
Yeah, we'll give you we'll give you your approval to do

10853
08:11:27,200 --> 08:11:30,909
that. That's what I want. I want to get everything fixed

10854
08:11:30,909 --> 08:11:31,459
before.

10855
08:11:31,459 --> 08:11:35,840
Because if I had if he's gone and I have room to park eight

10856
08:11:35,840 --> 08:11:39,740
vehicles inside, I'm not going to be doing eight motor jobs

10857
08:11:39,740 --> 08:11:42,700
at the same time where I have no place to park a car and I

10858
08:11:42,700 --> 08:11:44,459
got to park cars out front.

10859
08:11:44,459 --> 08:11:47,659
You know what I mean? I'll have eight spaces that there may

10860
08:11:47,659 --> 08:11:50,709
be one car that I got to order brake pads for that it's

10861
08:11:50,709 --> 08:11:53,740
special brakes or special shocks and I got to keep it

10862
08:11:53,740 --> 08:11:55,459
overnight or two cars.

10863
08:11:55,459 --> 08:11:59,520
But there's never going to be more than eight vehicles at

10864
08:11:59,520 --> 08:12:00,459
one time.

10865
08:12:00,459 --> 08:12:01,459
You know what I mean?

10866
08:12:01,459 --> 08:12:07,459
So everything will be inside and everything will be

10867
08:12:07,459 --> 08:12:10,459
as requested

10868
08:12:10,459 --> 08:12:12,459
or as recommended

10869
08:12:12,459 --> 08:12:15,659
once everything is cleaned up. And if I may just as a point

10870
08:12:15,659 --> 08:12:19,810
of clarification, I'm assuming here that there's nothing

10871
08:12:19,810 --> 08:12:25,450
that this commission is saying is promising to abate any

10872
08:12:25,450 --> 08:12:28,459
enforcement if there's an ongoing violation.

10873
08:12:28,459 --> 08:12:34,569
You know that that's a completely separate issue. This

10874
08:12:34,569 --> 08:12:41,049
commission doesn't have authority to abate enforcement of a

10875
08:12:41,049 --> 08:12:45,319
code requirement. So I just for whatever's worth I think

10876
08:12:45,319 --> 08:12:48,750
with what the commission is saying is that if you force her

10877
08:12:48,750 --> 08:12:51,459
to a vote today is likely going to be denial.

10878
08:12:51,459 --> 08:12:55,500
But they'll give you an opportunity. But that doesn't mean

10879
08:12:55,500 --> 08:12:59,259
that there won't be people giving you tickets if you are

10880
08:12:59,259 --> 08:13:03,459
operating outside of the code requirements in the meantime.

10881
08:13:03,459 --> 08:13:07,459
Correct.

10882
08:13:07,459 --> 08:13:09,459
So we have a first and a second.

10883
08:13:09,459 --> 08:13:17,459
Seeing no other discussion I call for a vote on the board.

10884
08:13:17,459 --> 08:13:27,459
This is the table to date certain of November 28.

10885
08:13:27,459 --> 08:13:31,700
Motion carries seven zero. We'll see you next month. Thank

10886
08:13:31,700 --> 08:13:32,459
you.

10887
08:13:32,459 --> 08:13:37,459
Moves us to our matrix.

10888
08:13:37,459 --> 08:13:41,180
Anyone have anything else. Thank you, Chair. I'm sorry that

10889
08:13:41,180 --> 08:13:43,770
I do have something but it all has to do with this epic

10890
08:13:43,770 --> 08:13:45,720
meeting. Richard if there's anything you can do to get some

10891
08:13:45,720 --> 08:13:46,459
of these lake view issues.

10892
08:13:46,459 --> 08:13:49,860
Up to the forefront of some kind of discussion. I mean

10893
08:13:49,860 --> 08:13:54,080
clearly Lakeview Boulevard needs to be looked at. And so

10894
08:13:54,080 --> 08:13:58,049
please if you could get that in front of where it needs to

10895
08:13:58,049 --> 08:14:00,459
go sooner rather than later.

10896
08:14:00,459 --> 08:14:04,860
Already started. Thank you. And then the other thing is if

10897
08:14:04,860 --> 08:14:09,369
D.I.S.D. is consulted on a project could we please get some

10898
08:14:09,369 --> 08:14:12,409
of that in our in our backup material if there is some

10899
08:14:12,409 --> 08:14:13,459
input there.

10900
08:14:13,459 --> 08:14:16,659
I think that would be important to know especially for

10901
08:14:16,659 --> 08:14:19,459
these larger projects that come before us.

10902
08:14:19,459 --> 08:14:22,819
So if there is something to offer by them that that they

10903
08:14:22,819 --> 08:14:26,389
have been you know contacted certainly if they've given

10904
08:14:26,389 --> 08:14:30,459
input that would be great too. Thank you.

10905
08:14:30,459 --> 08:14:34,860
I got one thing that this meeting has brought to light for

10906
08:14:34,860 --> 08:14:39,250
me and that's is there any like training we can do for like

10907
08:14:39,250 --> 08:14:43,639
Robert's rule of order in terms of decorum stuff that was

10908
08:14:43,639 --> 08:14:45,459
going on tonight.

10909
08:14:45,459 --> 08:14:51,439
I felt wholly inadequate to know how to engage in some of

10910
08:14:51,439 --> 08:14:57,419
the one off banter or the laughing or the threats of that

10911
08:14:57,419 --> 08:15:00,459
we're deceiving people. I appreciate that.

10912
08:15:00,459 --> 08:15:05,630
But there is there's times where where an individual called

10913
08:15:05,630 --> 08:15:10,560
a commissioner out and it led to like the sidebar thing and

10914
08:15:10,560 --> 08:15:15,490
I think it's really I'd be really interested to know. And

10915
08:15:15,490 --> 08:15:16,130
this could be a sidebar just for me personally unless other

10916
08:15:16,130 --> 08:15:17,459
people want to know like some chair training.

10917
08:15:17,459 --> 08:15:22,250
I would just like to know like what's expected of me as a

10918
08:15:22,250 --> 08:15:27,250
chair and what my authority how far can it go because I was

10919
08:15:27,250 --> 08:15:31,819
about to call some cop I was about to get him. I didn't

10920
08:15:31,819 --> 08:15:34,279
thankfully but so any any information I get about like how

10921
08:15:34,279 --> 08:15:35,459
to that's because that's the first time I've engaged.

10922
08:15:35,459 --> 08:15:38,459
It's a lively group.

10923
08:15:38,459 --> 08:15:50,590
Commissioner Smith. Thank you, Chair. The before City

10924
08:15:50,590 --> 08:15:50,810
Council meetings that they play the video about the decorum

10925
08:15:50,810 --> 08:15:50,990
and the manner in which you talk to City Council and I

10926
08:15:50,990 --> 08:15:51,189
brought to Jerry and I actually mentioned to Jerry after

10927
08:15:51,189 --> 08:15:51,459
the accusation started.

10928
08:15:51,459 --> 08:15:56,090
And that's the reason why I gave the tongue-lashing that I

10929
08:15:56,090 --> 08:15:58,880
did was because we don't we don't sit up here and work as

10930
08:15:58,880 --> 08:16:01,169
as Matt just brought up we've been here for 10 hours by the

10931
08:16:01,169 --> 08:16:03,459
way I've been here nine and a half because I showed up.

10932
08:16:03,459 --> 08:16:09,459
Yeah, don't call it.

10933
08:16:09,459 --> 08:16:12,459
The, I guess my check would just be that much smaller.

10934
08:16:12,459 --> 08:16:16,720
But, but but but but video video just that they play for

10935
08:16:16,720 --> 08:16:20,970
City Council play it again for even planning and zoning

10936
08:16:20,970 --> 08:16:25,569
because we do have these heated exchanges happen between us

10937
08:16:25,569 --> 08:16:30,060
so that, hey, do not don't call out a commissioner and if

10938
08:16:30,060 --> 08:16:33,610
you, if you do that is grounds for removal from, from the

10939
08:16:33,610 --> 08:16:34,259
chambers that that's, I would I would feel, I would feel

10940
08:16:34,259 --> 08:16:36,459
better and as Larry applicant.

10941
08:16:36,459 --> 08:16:39,209
Yeah, or look, yeah, making making you can't you can't

10942
08:16:39,209 --> 08:16:41,500
address, you can't address anybody except for the council

10943
08:16:41,500 --> 08:16:43,869
and you can only address the council and hole you cannot

10944
08:16:43,869 --> 08:16:46,150
address anybody else in the crowd or the applicant or

10945
08:16:46,150 --> 08:16:47,459
anything like that.

10946
08:16:47,459 --> 08:16:49,419
And you know as Larry joked around but it's very true

10947
08:16:49,419 --> 08:16:51,479
because who knows the next time we have another heated

10948
08:16:51,479 --> 08:16:52,459
argument like this.

10949
08:16:52,459 --> 08:16:56,409
I wonder how many of those people are going to be outside

10950
08:16:56,409 --> 08:17:00,619
waiting for us by our cars but Larry said I said, well, you

10951
08:17:00,619 --> 08:17:04,529
know, I mean we never know we never know who might be not

10952
08:17:04,529 --> 08:17:06,459
be really really mad.

10953
08:17:06,459 --> 08:17:23,459
I put that on the matrix to make that done in the future.

10954
08:17:23,459 --> 08:17:23,680
Well, and the point I made in response to your suggestion

10955
08:17:23,680 --> 08:17:23,900
was that it was kind of difficult to change horses in the

10956
08:17:23,900 --> 08:17:24,099
middle of the street because we had already set the

10957
08:17:24,099 --> 08:17:25,459
standard of engaging directly with the people who came up

10958
08:17:25,459 --> 08:17:27,459
to the microphone.

10959
08:17:27,459 --> 08:17:32,090
And, you know, entertaining their questions on the spot to

10960
08:17:32,090 --> 08:17:36,630
staff to others, you know, asking the applicant to come up

10961
08:17:36,630 --> 08:17:40,459
and answer a question directly what have you.

10962
08:17:40,459 --> 08:17:43,220
There was maybe Andrew's training would be would be

10963
08:17:43,220 --> 08:17:45,950
definitely needed that's that we, as commissioners would

10964
08:17:45,950 --> 08:17:48,619
know then so we don't engage in that increase of sort of

10965
08:17:48,619 --> 08:17:51,459
precedence, and it definitely.

10966
08:17:51,459 --> 08:17:56,060
From my perspective, went a lot more smoothly to hold the

10967
08:17:56,060 --> 08:18:00,779
questions and and and sort of the directions to staff until

10968
08:18:00,779 --> 08:18:05,400
the end so that we can accumulate them all together and not

10969
08:18:05,400 --> 08:18:10,459
, you know, that seemed to kind of encourage that behavior

10970
08:18:10,459 --> 08:18:13,459
of asking questions directly to the commission

10971
08:18:13,459 --> 08:18:17,799
to staff directly to the applicant. You know when it was

10972
08:18:17,799 --> 08:18:22,189
initially invited by the commission got it. Understood. So

10973
08:18:22,189 --> 08:18:23,459
it's our fault sorry Jerry.

10974
08:18:23,459 --> 08:18:28,729
Thank you, Chair, just on your point about Roberts rules I

10975
08:18:28,729 --> 08:18:33,990
know that attorney Richard Hayes gave a great presentation

10976
08:18:33,990 --> 08:18:38,720
to city council on Roberts rules, I don't know if that

10977
08:18:38,720 --> 08:18:43,659
would be something that could be done for us but I think it

10978
08:18:43,659 --> 08:18:47,459
would benefit all of us.

10979
08:18:47,459 --> 08:18:51,860
I assume that Richard won't have any problem if we adapt it

10980
08:18:51,860 --> 08:18:55,459
to our needs it's about 60 slides long.

10981
08:18:55,459 --> 08:19:00,430
So I don't know if it would be possible to trim that a bit

10982
08:19:00,430 --> 08:19:04,459
but that would be my suggestion anyway.

10983
08:19:04,459 --> 08:19:09,459
Great.

10984
08:19:09,459 --> 08:19:11,459
So I got anything.

10985
08:19:11,459 --> 08:19:15,540
Yeah, just wanted to make one thing that I'm going to try

10986
08:19:15,540 --> 08:19:17,459
to do for each meeting.

10987
08:19:17,459 --> 08:19:21,020
We had talked earlier today about just notification when

10988
08:19:21,020 --> 08:19:23,459
there's the neighborhood meetings.

10989
08:19:23,459 --> 08:19:26,889
So, so as I started to think through listing to everything

10990
08:19:26,889 --> 08:19:29,830
what I'm going to try to do is at least might just be a

10991
08:19:29,830 --> 08:19:33,139
short memo with each packet. Since we do meet every two

10992
08:19:33,139 --> 08:19:36,689
weeks, I don't think anything will lag in between, but just

10993
08:19:36,689 --> 08:19:38,459
to give you an update on.

10994
08:19:38,459 --> 08:19:41,869
So here's all of the upcoming neighborhood meetings related

10995
08:19:41,869 --> 08:19:45,150
to projects that are that are moving forward. But then in

10996
08:19:45,150 --> 08:19:48,560
addition, just kind of letting everybody know what what was

10997
08:19:48,560 --> 08:19:52,090
the result of any items that were recommendation from the

10998
08:19:52,090 --> 08:19:53,459
commission to city council.

10999
08:19:53,459 --> 08:19:56,349
And then we'll just go through that and see if there's

11000
08:19:56,349 --> 08:19:59,310
anything that's changed or, or just just to make sure

11001
08:19:59,310 --> 08:20:02,240
everyone's in the loop. So I thought it would just be

11002
08:20:02,240 --> 08:20:05,709
easier that way rather than calling her individually. I'll

11003
08:20:05,709 --> 08:20:09,459
just include include that memo and certainly got questions.

11004
08:20:09,459 --> 08:20:11,459
Call or email. However, it's easier for you.

11005
08:20:11,459 --> 08:20:16,459
If that works.

11006
08:20:16,459 --> 08:20:24,459
Meeting at 1 57am October 25.