WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.879 Welcome to the work session meeting of planning and zoning 00:00:02.879 --> 00:00:05.519 commission for October 10th 2018. 00:00:06.240 --> 00:00:11.039 It is 439. We'll open up the work session at this time. 00:00:11.039 --> 00:00:13.679 Start out with clarification of agenda items 00:00:13.679 --> 00:00:19.190 for the meeting. There is no consent agenda, is that 00:00:19.190 --> 00:00:21.120 correct? No. 00:00:22.640 --> 00:00:26.719 Perfect. So the first item 3a is actually being postponed 00:00:27.839 --> 00:00:31.469 to a future date not determined yet. So the first item we 00:00:31.469 --> 00:00:35.840 can walk through will be 3b which is Julie 00:00:38.479 --> 00:00:40.240 z 18-14. 00:00:47.679 --> 00:00:49.520 Good evening. Evening Julie. 00:00:53.280 --> 00:00:56.289 All right I'm Julie Wyatt senior planner with the city and 00:00:56.289 --> 00:00:58.719 I am presenting z 18-14. It's a commercial 00:00:58.719 --> 00:01:02.539 rezoning to you tonight. So request before you is to hold a 00:01:02.539 --> 00:01:04.719 public hearing and consider making a 00:01:05.280 --> 00:01:09.239 recommendation regarding the rezoning from a pd 115 00:01:09.239 --> 00:01:12.480 district to an rcc district. The subject property 00:01:12.480 --> 00:01:17.609 is in the vicinity of loop 288 highway 77 also known as 00:01:17.609 --> 00:01:20.400 north elm and then bonnie bray and it's 00:01:20.400 --> 00:01:27.000 about nine acres. More specifically pd 115 a detail plan 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:31.359 was approved for this pd back in 2004 for a 00:01:32.319 --> 00:01:37.590 church as well as the accessory daycare or school and that 00:01:37.590 --> 00:01:40.640 was approved and but it was never built. 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:44.859 So now the applicant is coming forward. They're requesting 00:01:44.859 --> 00:01:46.799 a rezoning to develop the site with a 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:53.120 mixed use center. Commissioner Ellis. Thank you chair. Hey 00:01:53.120 --> 00:01:54.879 Julie was that like brought into the 00:01:54.879 --> 00:01:58.510 pd after the fact or with the pd at the time? It's just so 00:01:58.510 --> 00:02:00.640 weird that the pd is nicely kind of 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:03.239 carved out and then you've got that little piece. I was 00:02:03.239 --> 00:02:06.000 just curious. That is a good question. The 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:09.330 pd actually included a lot more property. I think the 00:02:09.330 --> 00:02:12.080 property as it's gone forward has been zoned 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:17.930 out of the pd. So now that I say that I'm questioning 00:02:17.930 --> 00:02:18.719 myself. 00:02:22.159 --> 00:02:25.990 Yeah I do think that was the I think that was the and I can 00:02:25.990 --> 00:02:28.719 I could verify that before the 00:02:28.719 --> 00:02:31.620 the meeting because it's a good question but that that I 00:02:31.620 --> 00:02:34.080 believe that there it was larger but it has 00:02:34.080 --> 00:02:36.960 has zoned out. I've got those documents. I'll just have to 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:39.039 reference them. So it's a good question. 00:02:39.039 --> 00:02:46.349 I'll find out for you. So as with. Commissioner Beck. I'm 00:02:46.349 --> 00:02:48.319 thoroughly confused and I think it was 00:02:48.319 --> 00:02:56.080 just a misprint. I've got this one that says z1814 and then 00:02:56.080 --> 00:02:59.759 the actual background information it says 00:02:59.759 --> 00:03:04.919 z180011. Was that a typo or something? It is a typo. I 00:03:04.919 --> 00:03:07.520 apologize. Okay all right so I've got the right stuff. 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:10.129 You have the right thing. I have the wrong project number 00:03:10.129 --> 00:03:11.439 at the front. I got a little 00:03:11.439 --> 00:03:16.240 excited about a different project. So no you're correct. So 00:03:16.240 --> 00:03:18.159 it's z1814. Yes. 00:03:22.960 --> 00:03:25.110 So as with all rezoning cases we look at the criteria for 00:03:25.110 --> 00:03:27.280 approval in sub chapter 3 of the 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:29.479 debt and development code. First does it comply with the 00:03:29.479 --> 00:03:31.599 future land use and then second does it 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:34.270 is there adequate provision of the transportation water 00:03:34.270 --> 00:03:36.000 sewer those public infrastructure 00:03:36.800 --> 00:03:40.819 items. So first we'll look at the debt and plan 2030. This 00:03:40.819 --> 00:03:43.599 property is located in a business 00:03:43.599 --> 00:03:47.740 innovation designation future land use. As you know the 00:03:47.740 --> 00:03:50.479 intent is to provide for well-planned 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:54.919 large scale employment parks as well as those accessory 00:03:54.919 --> 00:03:57.439 uses such as retail restaurant, 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:02.139 higher density residential. RCCD in this instance is 00:04:02.139 --> 00:04:04.800 appropriate and in that business innovation 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:08.699 because it would allow the property to develop with those 00:04:08.699 --> 00:04:11.919 complementary uses like those retail 00:04:11.919 --> 00:04:15.759 and and the commercial uses. RCC district is a primarily 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:18.319 commercial district so it would allow 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:22.899 those accessory use or those supporting uses. And that's 00:04:22.899 --> 00:04:25.680 important because this property is 00:04:25.680 --> 00:04:28.529 near more residential areas more institutional areas. You 00:04:28.529 --> 00:04:30.399 probably don't want to see large scale 00:04:30.399 --> 00:04:34.279 like industrial type uses so those supporting uses would be 00:04:34.279 --> 00:04:36.319 appropriate in this location. 00:04:36.319 --> 00:04:42.639 Additionally it's near the 377 or I'm sorry 77 and loop 288 00:04:42.639 --> 00:04:45.120 corridors so that those access 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:48.750 and the roadways are the types of roadways you want to see 00:04:48.750 --> 00:04:50.639 near commercial areas to help them be 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:56.759 successful. We also looked at the mobility for the area. 00:04:56.759 --> 00:04:59.759 Now on the screen is a concept plan. I just 00:04:59.759 --> 00:05:03.300 want to caution you that this is a straight rezoning. This 00:05:03.300 --> 00:05:05.199 is a concept plan that the applicant 00:05:05.199 --> 00:05:09.019 has provided as part of a trip generation analysis but this 00:05:09.019 --> 00:05:11.600 is an approval of this concept plan 00:05:11.600 --> 00:05:15.230 so that if if this zoning district was approved any of the 00:05:15.230 --> 00:05:17.920 uses that would be permitted in RCCD 00:05:17.920 --> 00:05:20.480 as well as the development scale would be permitted. 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:22.480 Commissioner Ellis. Thank you chair. 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:25.639 Julie that's for obviously outside of the scope of what we 00:05:25.639 --> 00:05:27.600 're looking at site wise right? Yes. 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:30.629 Because they obviously own the land to the left. Yes yes 00:05:30.629 --> 00:05:32.399 and we'll talk about that. So 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:36.269 so we did ask them to do a trip generation analysis as part 00:05:36.269 --> 00:05:39.279 of this request and and as part 00:05:39.279 --> 00:05:43.529 of that they actually looked at the entire 32 acres that is 00:05:43.529 --> 00:05:45.839 at this corner of loop 288 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:51.459 and highway 77 because that is adjacent RCCD zoning so it 00:05:51.459 --> 00:05:54.879 would develop in a complementary way 00:05:54.879 --> 00:05:58.029 and I believe they are looking at developing that entire 00:05:58.029 --> 00:05:59.439 corner so they wanted to look at 00:05:59.439 --> 00:06:04.240 it comprehensively. However the request is only for this 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:06.560 nine acres in in black so does that make 00:06:06.560 --> 00:06:12.189 sense? Okay. Commissioner Bec. Thank you chair. Just for 00:06:12.189 --> 00:06:14.720 fill me in a little bit I believe the new 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:16.889 high school is going in this area too. We're gonna get 00:06:16.889 --> 00:06:19.759 there. Okay good thanks. If I don't answer 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:22.980 your question let me know. Okay so so as part of a trip 00:06:22.980 --> 00:06:25.839 generation analysis they're they're using 00:06:25.839 --> 00:06:29.199 some land use assumptions and as part of that they they 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:32.079 assumed 400 multifamily dwellings and 00:06:32.079 --> 00:06:37.050 122,000 square feet of retail. Based upon those assumptions 00:06:37.050 --> 00:06:39.600 the ITE trip generation manual 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:44.160 anticipates a generated 9,800 trips for this property or 00:06:44.160 --> 00:06:46.959 for the entire 32 acres. The am peak 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:51.769 hour trips of 391 and the pm peak hour of 833 and that's a 00:06:51.769 --> 00:06:55.600 lot of trips. When you combine that with 00:06:55.600 --> 00:06:59.639 Commissioner Beck's point about the Denton High School that 00:06:59.639 --> 00:07:01.839 is is anticipated to come in in this 00:07:01.839 --> 00:07:06.339 area and in about this location down here. You have the UNT 00:07:06.339 --> 00:07:09.040 Discovery Center already in place in 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:13.069 this area. There is a townhome development coming in in 00:07:13.069 --> 00:07:16.079 this location. Multifamily. You have a 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:19.709 regional park and then in in the near future you're also 00:07:19.709 --> 00:07:21.759 going to be seeing potentially a 00:07:21.759 --> 00:07:25.600 single-family development in this area. There's a lot going 00:07:25.600 --> 00:07:28.800 on and and because of that our city 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:32.259 staff has already looked at some mobility improvements for 00:07:32.259 --> 00:07:34.720 for this general area and 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:36.930 and particularly for Bonnie Bray. So you might be aware 00:07:36.930 --> 00:07:38.560 that Bonnie Bray is being improved on the 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:42.379 south side of town between university and vintage. However 00:07:42.379 --> 00:07:44.560 because especially because of the Denton 00:07:44.560 --> 00:07:47.319 High School improvements it's now on the radar to go ahead 00:07:47.319 --> 00:07:49.920 and improve the north side of Bonnie Bray. 00:07:49.920 --> 00:07:53.740 So they are they are already working on the capacity and 00:07:53.740 --> 00:07:56.000 safety improvements storm water 00:07:56.000 --> 00:08:01.529 and utility locations for this area. The anticipated Bonnie 00:08:01.529 --> 00:08:03.120 Bray will be four lane 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:07.029 divided arterial. Currently it's under design so the final 00:08:07.029 --> 00:08:09.920 alignment hasn't been determined. So 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:13.740 you'll see there's a lot of green lines on this map. So 00:08:13.740 --> 00:08:17.680 here's Bonnie Bray now. The mobility plan 00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:21.889 shows it tracking in this location to the west. However 00:08:21.889 --> 00:08:24.959 after our engineering department has looked 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:27.720 at it they feel like maybe tracking to the east is actually 00:08:27.720 --> 00:08:29.680 a better alignment. So they're they're 00:08:29.680 --> 00:08:33.500 actually looking at this. What they really want to do is 00:08:33.500 --> 00:08:36.159 hit three seven hit 77 at a right angle. 00:08:36.799 --> 00:08:39.809 Engineering doesn't like to see skews at intersections. It 00:08:39.809 --> 00:08:42.000 's less safe. So whatever the 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:45.470 alignment it would need to hit 77 at a right angle and then 00:08:45.470 --> 00:08:48.399 and then track north. They're working 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:51.519 with the North Central Texas Council of Governments. So COG 00:08:51.519 --> 00:08:53.519 is involved in this because it's a regional 00:08:53.519 --> 00:08:57.440 transportation issue. So it is on the radar and it is 00:08:57.440 --> 00:09:00.240 moving forward. We do anticipate that the 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:02.779 alignment's going to go in this direction but we don't know 00:09:02.779 --> 00:09:04.480 for certain and we won't know until the 00:09:04.480 --> 00:09:08.679 beginning of next year. The target construction is to begin 00:09:08.679 --> 00:09:12.080 in late 2019 and then the completion is 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:14.450 to coincide with the Denton High School. They really want 00:09:14.450 --> 00:09:16.240 to make sure that these are improvements are 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:19.879 in place before that high school opens up and so that's 00:09:19.879 --> 00:09:23.759 anticipated for late 2021. Any questions 00:09:23.759 --> 00:09:28.559 on the mobility? Commissioner Smith. Thank you Chair. So 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:30.879 the if engineering decides that the 00:09:30.879 --> 00:09:33.740 alignment needs to be off you know left or right or east or 00:09:33.740 --> 00:09:35.759 west however you want to look at this. 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:39.610 They could essentially start using imminent domain to claim 00:09:39.610 --> 00:09:41.679 land that's outside of the right of way 00:09:41.679 --> 00:09:44.679 already to be able to realign the road. Is that what you're 00:09:44.679 --> 00:09:46.080 looking at and seeing? 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:50.190 They might use several tools in their toolbox. So if 00:09:50.190 --> 00:09:53.759 properties along this alignment are platting 00:09:53.759 --> 00:09:56.549 there may be right of way dedication as part of a plat and 00:09:56.549 --> 00:09:58.559 as part of just the typical development 00:09:58.559 --> 00:10:03.070 process. This property here I believe is UNT property so 00:10:03.070 --> 00:10:05.200 they may work with UNT. To get a 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:07.960 piece. And then and then Richard sounds like he wants to 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:10.159 weigh in here. I guess I should ask not 00:10:10.159 --> 00:10:12.500 silly because I'm not really I don't really care about the 00:10:12.500 --> 00:10:14.080 I guess what I'm saying is that in 00:10:14.080 --> 00:10:17.080 in relation to specifically the case that we're hearing 00:10:17.080 --> 00:10:19.679 tonight we could be we could be voting 00:10:19.679 --> 00:10:23.320 on a zoning case that could end up having if the city 00:10:23.320 --> 00:10:25.919 engineers feel like the west alignment's 00:10:25.919 --> 00:10:28.039 better than the east alignment it could end up with a 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:29.519 zoning case. We rezone this area 00:10:30.480 --> 00:10:32.379 but there's going to be a road through the middle of it and 00:10:32.379 --> 00:10:34.080 the applicant who's asking for this 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:37.740 rezone their entire conceptual plan doesn't matter anymore 00:10:37.740 --> 00:10:40.000 and because now they got a road 00:10:40.000 --> 00:10:42.549 running right through the middle of there. I would say it's 00:10:42.549 --> 00:10:43.759 it's it's highly unlikely at 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:47.789 at this point. We did have we did have a discussion earlier 00:10:47.789 --> 00:10:50.879 this week that I was in with with UNT on 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:55.309 that on that coming through that parcel. In addition where 00:10:55.309 --> 00:10:58.320 that apartment complex is one of 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:01.950 the meetings we had with UNT recently there was a concern 00:11:01.950 --> 00:11:04.480 from from their police department about the 00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:08.860 crossing of students back and forth from that apartment 00:11:08.860 --> 00:11:11.360 complex to to their facility there 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:15.399 and the necessity for for a light. This would would help 00:11:15.399 --> 00:11:17.759 alleviate some of that. In addition 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:20.570 if it was tracking west it was like we're talking about a 00:11:20.570 --> 00:11:24.240 hurricane there were there were two I 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:26.950 believe there were two spots where they were going to have 00:11:26.950 --> 00:11:28.399 to install a bridge two different 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:31.409 bridges. Okay so it's pretty stupid and and so the just the 00:11:31.409 --> 00:11:33.360 cost and maintenance associated with it 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:35.809 so that's that's where it kind of shifted to this. I just I 00:11:35.809 --> 00:11:37.200 would hate to see us be like well we 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:39.299 could go we can go east we can go west here it's like well 00:11:39.299 --> 00:11:41.840 why would we want to just go through and 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:43.879 have this applicant go through all the trouble getting this 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:45.519 rezone just for the city to say hey 00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:48.070 by the way we're gonna blow our road through the middle of 00:11:48.070 --> 00:11:49.679 your plot now. Yeah and we've kind of 00:11:49.679 --> 00:11:52.110 have have had this applicant bringing this forward we've 00:11:52.110 --> 00:11:54.000 kind of have it have had it on hold 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:55.690 okay for that for that very reason we don't want to get 00:11:55.690 --> 00:11:56.799 down the line and all of a sudden 00:11:57.600 --> 00:12:00.879 got ruined their dream. Commissioner Beck. Thank you chair. 00:12:00.879 --> 00:12:03.600 The green line on the other side of 77 00:12:03.600 --> 00:12:06.789 that's supposed to be a continuation of body ground? Well I 00:12:06.789 --> 00:12:08.879 drew that so it's definitely very 00:12:08.879 --> 00:12:15.190 conceptual. Okay but the intent is to go is to go north and 00:12:15.190 --> 00:12:18.240 and and but it doesn't connect you'd 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:22.639 have to go up and down. I don't know where they're okay got 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:27.279 cha. Julie real fast can you go back to 00:12:27.279 --> 00:12:31.500 their site plan? Sure. Okay I I know it's conceptual but I 00:12:31.500 --> 00:12:33.840 just want to make sure that they weren't 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:37.470 dependent on the Bonnie Bray access if it potentially gets 00:12:37.470 --> 00:12:38.799 moved but it looks like they're 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:43.600 gonna have theoretically access directly from 77 so if that 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:46.159 if Bonnie Bray gets shifted to the right 00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:49.789 they're not going to necessarily lose traffic to their 00:12:49.789 --> 00:12:52.159 their spot. They would have to work with 00:12:52.159 --> 00:12:55.200 engineering regarding but regarding any access but probably 00:12:55.200 --> 00:12:57.679 their main access would be from 77. I 00:12:57.679 --> 00:13:00.230 think that's probably the most logical place it's the 00:13:00.230 --> 00:13:02.320 largest road. And then back on the slide that 00:13:02.320 --> 00:13:05.809 you were you were on to the mobility plan none of the three 00:13:05.809 --> 00:13:08.080 I want to go with cone of uncertainty. 00:13:10.240 --> 00:13:13.240 None of those three options the west the existing or the 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:15.840 east hit at a 90 degree so it seemed like 00:13:15.840 --> 00:13:19.129 you'd come up to the highway and and make it a 90 degree if 00:13:19.129 --> 00:13:21.440 that is the case for all three options 00:13:21.440 --> 00:13:24.169 why are we moving Bonnie Bray east or west why don't we 00:13:24.169 --> 00:13:27.759 just leave it where it is? Well I think 00:13:27.759 --> 00:13:32.000 they're trying to get it closer to that 90 degree. It may 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:34.960 not be perfectly unskewed but to have to 00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:37.960 have it closer to that 90 degree right now if you've driven 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:39.919 Bonnie Bray you pretty much have to turn 00:13:39.919 --> 00:13:42.759 around to look to see if cars are coming so I think they're 00:13:42.759 --> 00:13:44.320 trying to improve the safety 00:13:45.519 --> 00:13:50.100 at that intersection by getting it by getting it as close 00:13:50.100 --> 00:13:52.960 to that 90 degree as possible. 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:57.200 Okay thank you. And I think that's also the case at loop 28 00:13:57.200 --> 00:13:59.600 8 that they want a 90 degree intersection 00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:06.220 there as well as it goes north. All right so we also looked 00:14:06.220 --> 00:14:10.000 as part of the analysis at the 00:14:10.000 --> 00:14:13.169 current zoning pattern as well as the development pattern. 00:14:13.169 --> 00:14:15.039 The development pattern is you know 00:14:15.039 --> 00:14:18.389 there's not a lot of development out here yet. It's coming 00:14:18.389 --> 00:14:19.840 but it's not out here yet. 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:24.590 So we look mainly at the zoning pattern and RCCD is a 00:14:24.590 --> 00:14:26.559 logical extension of that existing 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:30.990 zoning pattern. You can see along north loop 288 that there 00:14:30.990 --> 00:14:34.159 is that RCC. It's pretty consistent RCCD. 00:14:34.720 --> 00:14:37.610 So by approval of this of this request you could ensure 00:14:37.610 --> 00:14:40.559 consistent development both in permitted 00:14:40.559 --> 00:14:43.559 uses as well as development scale so that you'd have a 00:14:43.559 --> 00:14:46.080 harmonious development pattern along that 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:50.309 area as the the parcels do develop. As it moves forward 00:14:50.309 --> 00:14:53.039 development would have to comply with all 00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:56.210 DDC requirements. That would include any tree preservation, 00:14:56.210 --> 00:14:58.000 buffer screening, tree canopy, 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:01.230 site design, and lighting requirements. Right now this is 00:15:01.230 --> 00:15:03.200 this is kind of new frontier in the city 00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:06.350 of Denton so water and sewer aren't available so extensions 00:15:06.350 --> 00:15:08.559 would be required with any development. 00:15:10.559 --> 00:15:15.399 Notification was sent out. We haven't received any any 00:15:15.399 --> 00:15:16.399 responses. 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:20.409 So based upon the criteria for approval and staff's 00:15:20.409 --> 00:15:22.320 analysis we do recommend 00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:25.120 approval of the request and I'll stand for any questions. 00:15:27.440 --> 00:15:30.480 I don't see any thank you Julie. All right thanks. Next 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:35.519 item is 3C Z18-18A 00:15:36.240 --> 00:15:38.399 and Cindy Jackson will be presenting. 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:52.960 Thank you. Let me bring up the presentation. 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:10.399 Okay Z18-18 is a rezoning request. The applicant is 00:16:10.399 --> 00:16:13.759 requesting to rezone approximately 20.7 00:16:13.759 --> 00:16:18.049 acres of property from the NR4 zoning district to the NRMU 00:16:18.049 --> 00:16:21.759 12 zoning district. As you can see 00:16:21.759 --> 00:16:26.759 the property is actually south of McKinney and north of 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:32.320 Trailhead and west of Lane. 00:16:33.919 --> 00:16:37.460 Just for reference here's the loop right here and here's 00:16:37.460 --> 00:16:38.320 McKinney right here. 00:16:42.320 --> 00:16:46.139 The request the the current site is zoned NR4 as you can 00:16:46.139 --> 00:16:49.440 see in this map. If the if this request 00:16:49.440 --> 00:16:53.740 is approved the proposed zoning NRMU 12 is an extension of 00:16:53.740 --> 00:16:55.919 the NRMU 12 that is located 00:16:55.919 --> 00:16:59.740 to the north of the site and you can also see there's NRMU 00:16:59.740 --> 00:17:02.159 12 located to the east of the site. 00:17:03.919 --> 00:17:09.150 The applicant has prepared a concept plan. The concept plan 00:17:09.150 --> 00:17:10.880 takes into account the topography 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:16.039 as well as tree preservation on the site. The topography is 00:17:16.039 --> 00:17:17.839 this is kind of has some pretty 00:17:17.839 --> 00:17:22.740 interesting topography where there's a 28 foot difference 00:17:22.740 --> 00:17:25.680 between the area right in here and 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:32.000 the perimeter area so it kind of goes up. The applicant is 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:35.200 proposing townhouse development 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:37.680 with a density of six dwelling units per acre that's 00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:40.079 approximately 120 townhouse units. 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:45.869 The applicant is also proposing to preserve as many trees 00:17:45.869 --> 00:17:47.920 as possible. The minimum 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:52.109 preservation requirement for the for this site is 12.5 00:17:52.109 --> 00:17:54.160 percent of protected trees. 00:17:54.160 --> 00:18:02.410 The purpose of the NRMU district is the the request is to 00:18:02.410 --> 00:18:02.720 facilitate the development of this 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:06.880 townhouse. It's kind of different from regular townhouses 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:09.200 that we you know other townhouses we've 00:18:09.200 --> 00:18:13.019 seen they're not platted on their own lot. This is going to 00:18:13.019 --> 00:18:15.119 be platted all on one lot. The units 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:19.000 are going to be sold individually and the whole development 00:18:19.000 --> 00:18:21.119 will be considered common area. 00:18:21.119 --> 00:18:28.990 So it's kind of condo style. According to our code it's 00:18:28.990 --> 00:18:30.720 also multifamily so an SUP will be 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:33.839 required after they have completed the zoning process. 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:37.039 Cindy I realize this is the concept 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:40.369 plan we're dealing with zoning but I did notice there's a 00:18:40.369 --> 00:18:43.359 contingency access to McKinney. Yes. 00:18:43.359 --> 00:18:49.269 That is being worked on or that is actually a concept plan. 00:18:49.269 --> 00:18:51.039 So the concept plan is going to be 00:18:51.039 --> 00:18:56.079 emergency service only EMS access only. The primary access 00:18:56.079 --> 00:18:57.920 will be from trailhead 00:18:58.880 --> 00:19:03.359 and then they would go down to Dutchess to get to the loop. 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:07.200 And then just help me if you go back one 00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:11.019 slide if you went back yeah this later development here 00:19:11.019 --> 00:19:14.960 would that come back for separate SUP if they 00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:18.190 wanted to develop later on something down there. Right the 00:19:18.190 --> 00:19:20.400 applicant right now he's not he's not 00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:24.029 proposing anything on this this part of the property here. 00:19:24.029 --> 00:19:25.920 The applicant is waiting for the 00:19:27.279 --> 00:19:31.559 citywide rezoning and the new zoning code to see what's 00:19:31.559 --> 00:19:33.680 going to be permitted there and just then 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:36.480 then we'll decide what to do there. Thank you. 00:19:41.279 --> 00:19:46.079 Okay. Mr. Cole. Quick question. Yeah. To the due north of 00:19:46.079 --> 00:19:49.359 that are those apartments being built? 00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:53.940 Yes. Right over here there are apartments are called I 00:19:53.940 --> 00:19:56.160 believe Majestic on McKinney 00:19:57.119 --> 00:20:00.940 and then over here is an electrical transmission site. 00:20:00.940 --> 00:20:04.000 Right here is a church and affiliated school 00:20:05.119 --> 00:20:09.150 and then over here are single family homes. This down here 00:20:09.150 --> 00:20:12.079 is a duplex subdivision 00:20:13.279 --> 00:20:18.150 and all of this over here is undeveloped. Just making sure 00:20:18.150 --> 00:20:20.400 I was at the right place. Okay. 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:27.519 This is planning and zoning. Commissioner Sanchez. Yeah. On 00:20:27.519 --> 00:20:30.400 Lane Street what eventually is the city 00:20:30.400 --> 00:20:33.410 looking at to do with that particular street there? Well it 00:20:33.410 --> 00:20:35.200 's a private street so right now the city's 00:20:35.200 --> 00:20:41.829 not looking at doing anything to it. I mean as far as 00:20:41.829 --> 00:20:45.359 trying to utilize it in the future if it's a 00:20:45.359 --> 00:20:49.670 private street I mean I guess when I was looking at it I 00:20:49.670 --> 00:20:52.400 know okay so it's a private is there any 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:56.029 way of the city getting access to that and trying to 00:20:56.029 --> 00:20:58.559 utilize it for eventual because you you don't 00:20:58.559 --> 00:21:02.190 have I just I was just wondering if you could extend that 00:21:02.190 --> 00:21:04.960 all the way into into this subdivision here 00:21:05.599 --> 00:21:09.779 so that you could be able to have more access or well exits 00:21:09.779 --> 00:21:12.960 out of that area. If you look at the 00:21:13.680 --> 00:21:16.930 concept plan we do have I mean the aerial map there is a 00:21:16.930 --> 00:21:20.319 dead end street right here that is city owned. 00:21:20.319 --> 00:21:23.329 Mockingbird? Yes. Is that going to be extended all the way 00:21:23.329 --> 00:21:25.920 too? I haven't I did not see anything on the 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:32.349 the mobility plan for that to be extended. It is? Okay. But 00:21:32.349 --> 00:21:35.039 Lane it's been it's a private street 00:21:35.039 --> 00:21:37.380 it's always been a private street and it's privately 00:21:37.380 --> 00:21:39.200 maintained so the city does not have any 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:44.670 vested interest in it right now. Okay okay. Commissioner 00:21:44.670 --> 00:21:47.279 Smith. Thank you chair. So you're 00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:50.369 just to go off what Commissioner Sanchez was saying a 00:21:50.369 --> 00:21:53.200 second ago. The uh he said is Trailhead 00:21:53.200 --> 00:21:55.779 there that's that's that's private or is that? No that's a 00:21:55.779 --> 00:21:57.599 public street. Okay so the connectivity 00:21:57.599 --> 00:22:00.690 the connectivity well so okay gotcha I know it's stubbed 00:22:00.690 --> 00:22:02.400 out I thought you were saying that that 00:22:02.400 --> 00:22:05.430 whole area down there is all private street. Oh no no no 00:22:05.430 --> 00:22:08.400 just Lane right here. You said if you 00:22:08.400 --> 00:22:11.279 want to go back one slide to the conceptual I'm not really 00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:13.440 looking at the no yeah there you go 00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:16.019 the I'm not really looking at the conceptual but the top 00:22:16.019 --> 00:22:19.359 left so the the northwest plot above it 00:22:19.359 --> 00:22:23.759 that's actually between the applicant and McKinney. What 00:22:23.759 --> 00:22:26.240 that plot of land is that happen to be owned 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:30.809 by the applicant or is that just yeah? No this this is 00:22:30.809 --> 00:22:33.200 actually um this is actually going to be 00:22:33.200 --> 00:22:37.230 an apartment complex. It's almost done. Is it? Yeah. Okay I 00:22:37.230 --> 00:22:39.440 guess I yeah right and right here is 00:22:39.440 --> 00:22:42.250 the electrical transformer. Okay got it all right so there 00:22:42.250 --> 00:22:44.240 's apartment complex in front of it. 00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:46.640 Yep and and church right here. Church right there okay. 00:22:46.640 --> 00:22:48.880 That works thank you. We got a little bit of 00:22:48.880 --> 00:22:51.589 line but Commissioner Ellis. Thank you Chair real quick I 00:22:51.589 --> 00:22:53.680 assume there's plans to extend Dutchess at 00:22:53.680 --> 00:22:56.440 some point as well correct? Oh yes there that is on the 00:22:56.440 --> 00:22:59.920 mobility plan to extend. Commissioner Beck. 00:22:59.920 --> 00:23:04.119 Thank you Chair. So Lane isn't a part of this no project at 00:23:04.119 --> 00:23:06.240 all I got the indication even by 00:23:06.240 --> 00:23:09.880 his narrative that that was going to be so they're making a 00:23:09.880 --> 00:23:13.359 separate means of egress only between 00:23:13.359 --> 00:23:16.500 their development and McKinney and as an emergency. That's 00:23:16.500 --> 00:23:18.960 correct. That's it okay so otherwise the only 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:21.529 way they can get in there is through Dutchess. That's 00:23:21.529 --> 00:23:23.759 correct. Until Mockingbird comes through. 00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:26.339 The applicant had a neighborhood meeting and at the 00:23:26.339 --> 00:23:28.480 neighborhood meeting there was concern 00:23:28.480 --> 00:23:33.839 expressed about the use of this area as a access way into 00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:37.279 the site by all of the residents because 00:23:37.279 --> 00:23:38.920 of the fact that it's going to go through the church 00:23:38.920 --> 00:23:43.279 parking lot. Therefore it is going to be 00:23:43.279 --> 00:23:47.970 EMS only. Say that again that last part. It's only going to 00:23:47.970 --> 00:23:50.319 be EMS emergency medical service. 00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:55.420 Okay thanks. Commissioner Sanchez. It was the same question 00:23:55.420 --> 00:23:58.319 she had about extending Dutchess so over 00:23:58.319 --> 00:24:02.730 the long period when Dutchess is extended they'll be able 00:24:02.730 --> 00:24:04.960 to go either east or west. That's correct. 00:24:04.960 --> 00:24:08.089 And that's that's basically where they'll be able to move 00:24:08.089 --> 00:24:09.759 more traffic out of that area. 00:24:13.279 --> 00:24:21.059 We're good. Okay as Julie mentioned we the criteria for 00:24:21.059 --> 00:24:22.799 approval of a zoning case 00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:25.880 is does the site request does the request conform to the 00:24:25.880 --> 00:24:27.839 future land use plan and would there be 00:24:27.839 --> 00:24:30.509 adequate provision of transportation water sewer 00:24:30.509 --> 00:24:34.240 infrastructure. The site is actually 00:24:35.519 --> 00:24:39.150 designated as moderate residential on the future land use 00:24:39.150 --> 00:24:42.240 map. The intent of moderate residential 00:24:42.240 --> 00:24:45.349 is to promote single family housing in small lots and it 00:24:45.349 --> 00:24:48.799 encourages town homes with a density of 00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:53.609 between four and twelve units per acre. As proposed the 00:24:53.609 --> 00:24:56.799 site does meet that requirement and it does 00:24:56.799 --> 00:25:01.859 comply with the future land use map. Here's a little bit of 00:25:01.859 --> 00:25:04.880 my analysis. It's consistent with 00:25:04.880 --> 00:25:09.680 the future land use element. The NRMU 12 district permits 00:25:09.680 --> 00:25:12.880 12 dwelling units per acre max which is 00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:17.559 also consistent with that element and the thing that the NR 00:25:17.559 --> 00:25:21.119 MU 12 also does is provide a transition 00:25:21.680 --> 00:25:27.039 between the single family duplexes to the south and the 00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:29.680 more commercial and institutional uses 00:25:29.680 --> 00:25:32.400 that are along McKinney street to the north. 00:25:35.200 --> 00:25:36.970 The requested NRMU 12 district as I mentioned earlier is a 00:25:36.970 --> 00:25:40.000 continuation of the NRMU 12 that is 00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:43.599 located to the north of the site. The use is permitted in 00:25:43.599 --> 00:25:45.920 the NRMU 12 district are consistent 00:25:45.920 --> 00:25:49.069 with the uses that are permitted in the area today. Moder 00:25:49.069 --> 00:25:51.599 ate density residential uses with some light 00:25:51.599 --> 00:25:55.640 commercial. The applicant is only proposing town homes with 00:25:55.640 --> 00:25:56.799 no commercial. 00:26:01.279 --> 00:26:06.309 Um I just covered that. We sent out notices to uh by 00:26:06.309 --> 00:26:11.519 certified mail to 52 property owners and uh 00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:15.089 we received one response back which I handed out if I put 00:26:15.089 --> 00:26:16.480 it at your place tonight 00:26:17.519 --> 00:26:20.710 in favor which represents a half of one percent of the 00:26:20.710 --> 00:26:23.920 property located in the 200 foot buffer. 00:26:24.960 --> 00:26:30.569 Three signs were posted on the site at trailhead right here 00:26:30.569 --> 00:26:31.680 and at lane. 00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:37.829 Staff recommends approval of this request with the 00:26:37.829 --> 00:26:40.799 condition that a mixed use overlay 00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:45.740 is placed on the site. The mixed use overlay would limit 00:26:45.740 --> 00:26:47.440 the use of the site to townhouse 00:26:47.440 --> 00:26:50.170 development with a maximum density of six dwelling units 00:26:50.170 --> 00:26:53.440 per acre and it would limit that proposed 00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:56.740 northern access to emergency medical service only. 00:26:56.740 --> 00:26:59.200 Commissioner Smith. Have you discussed those 00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:04.000 recommendations with applicant? Um well we we did discuss 00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:07.119 them yes. Okay so any applicant will be 00:27:07.119 --> 00:27:09.569 there tonight to ask let us ask. Oh the applicant's right 00:27:09.569 --> 00:27:11.279 here. Well I guess I know we're not going to 00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:14.400 ask the applicant. I saw you look at him. I just uh don't 00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:16.400 don't see it's how the sausages are made. 00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:19.109 You can't can't let it all go away. We don't like to we don 00:27:19.109 --> 00:27:20.799 't like to do this without okay we'll ask 00:27:20.799 --> 00:27:22.920 this. We don't want to surprise the applicant. I'll ask the 00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:24.400 applicant tonight to make sure that he's 00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:28.000 okay with that the recommendations before me. Thank you. 00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:29.920 That concludes my my presentation. 00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:34.170 Commissioner Sanchez. I've got a question. Um when we 00:27:34.170 --> 00:27:37.279 usually develop when there's a development 00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:41.099 there's usually two exits if I remember correctly we 00:27:41.099 --> 00:27:43.839 usually try to have two exits. Now one of them 00:27:43.839 --> 00:27:47.769 is being designated as an emergency so in reality they only 00:27:47.769 --> 00:27:50.079 have one exit. Well you need to remember 00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:53.990 this is a concept plan. Okay okay. It's not it's not a full 00:27:53.990 --> 00:27:56.640 blown site plan. Okay okay. Which we 00:27:56.640 --> 00:28:00.109 will have a full blown site plan when he comes forward with 00:28:00.109 --> 00:28:02.880 the SUP application. Okay okay okay. 00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:06.920 I see what you're saying but I guess I my my idea is using 00:28:06.920 --> 00:28:09.119 that to make sure that they have two 00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:12.309 exits rather than even if it's a concept plan I would 00:28:12.309 --> 00:28:15.519 imagine you you would consider your other 00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:18.599 exit not just a concept plan that okay we're going to use 00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:20.799 this in emergency when in reality we have 00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:26.420 to have two primary exits not one. Yes yes. I do not see 00:28:26.420 --> 00:28:32.000 any other questions. Thank you Cindy. Great. 00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:36.630 With that the agenda for the public hearing has been 00:28:36.630 --> 00:28:39.119 complete. Move on to work session reports. 00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:46.720 The first one is from Haley about tree preservation and 00:28:46.720 --> 00:28:49.440 landscape standards. 00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:57.970 All right I've actually made it through the hard part with 00:28:57.970 --> 00:28:59.920 tree preservation so very brief 00:28:59.920 --> 00:29:02.079 presentation now with the landscape code update. 00:29:05.119 --> 00:29:07.460 All right so I'm sure you're all familiar through the ADPs 00:29:07.460 --> 00:29:09.359 and site plans that you've seen that 00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:12.039 sub chapter 13 of the development code does have landscape 00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:13.119 standards that dictate 00:29:13.759 --> 00:29:16.140 new plantings and where those go on a site and what form 00:29:16.140 --> 00:29:17.279 they should take. 00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:20.950 So with the comprehensive landscape plan and kind of this 00:29:20.950 --> 00:29:22.720 conservation code that we're hoping to 00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:25.430 adopt with our new DDC we are rewriting those landscaping 00:29:25.430 --> 00:29:26.960 standards to try to provide more 00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:30.589 flexibility in how a site is designed. So what we've 00:29:30.589 --> 00:29:33.440 proposed are new standards for compatibility 00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:35.789 buffers right-of-way screening and parking lot landscaping 00:29:35.789 --> 00:29:36.960 which are the chief elements 00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:41.859 that our code dictates on a site. As part of this we are 00:29:41.859 --> 00:29:44.720 looking to maintain the minimum landscape 00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:47.519 area and tree canopy area requirements that are currently 00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:49.279 in the code. As we shift to the new 00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:52.289 DDC and adopt new zoning districts of course these numbers 00:29:52.289 --> 00:29:54.000 would be adjusted to fit those new 00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:57.630 districts. We are tweaking this a little bit to require 00:29:57.630 --> 00:29:59.920 some biodiversity within the plantings 00:29:59.920 --> 00:30:04.349 on a site. So for example if a site has to have 50% tree 00:30:04.349 --> 00:30:06.640 canopy that would be broken down into 00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:09.660 numerous plantings all over the site and we would encourage 00:30:09.660 --> 00:30:11.920 that if you're planting over 10 trees to 00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:14.769 meet that requirement that no more than 20% of them be from 00:30:14.769 --> 00:30:16.160 the same genus so that there is 00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:18.970 biodiversity within a site and if something such as the you 00:30:18.970 --> 00:30:20.559 know ash borer beetle comes in it 00:30:20.559 --> 00:30:24.380 wouldn't wipe out all of the landscaping on a site. So just 00:30:24.380 --> 00:30:27.279 yes. Commissioner Sanchez. Yeah 00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:32.920 when you say no 20% now is there is there anything asking 00:30:32.920 --> 00:30:35.279 that a certain percent of those be native 00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:39.390 trees or trees local to north central Texas? Currently 00:30:39.390 --> 00:30:42.240 there's not anything that would require 00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:45.680 that. There the site design criteria manual has a listing 00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:48.079 of approved trees and the majority of the 00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:50.960 trees on there are considered native. So those that's the 00:30:50.960 --> 00:30:52.799 kind of the list that you could pick 00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:55.019 from so just by nature of that we do have a requirement but 00:30:55.019 --> 00:30:56.319 there's nothing spelled out in 00:30:56.319 --> 00:30:58.380 the code. We could certainly add something like that if you 00:30:58.380 --> 00:30:59.839 all were interested. When you say 00:30:59.839 --> 00:31:03.470 native you're talking about Texas or are you talking about 00:31:03.470 --> 00:31:05.359 north central Texas this area? I'm 00:31:05.359 --> 00:31:07.890 not sure how that list was derived to know where those 00:31:07.890 --> 00:31:09.759 those trees came from but that's that's 00:31:09.759 --> 00:31:12.339 definitely something we could look into and if you all 00:31:12.339 --> 00:31:14.400 would like us to add something like that to the 00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:19.539 code we could. I mean we're always talking about um what do 00:31:19.539 --> 00:31:22.240 you call it this is you know we're in 00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:26.140 order to talk about uh excuse me cross timbers and and how 00:31:26.140 --> 00:31:28.720 we want to mimic that ecosystem or 00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:32.539 what what you know we're keeping areas uh protecting areas 00:31:32.539 --> 00:31:35.119 because of those particular type trees 00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:38.119 then we should also extend it to protect as many of those 00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:40.480 trees as possible for this central for 00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:43.630 cross timbers area at least that's my opinion. Okay yeah. 00:31:43.630 --> 00:31:47.039 For clarification these tree tend trees 00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:50.670 is that like landscape trees? Correct. We're not talking 00:31:50.670 --> 00:31:52.640 about like the tree preservation of like 00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:56.269 the massive oaks necessarily we're talking about like great 00:31:56.269 --> 00:31:58.000 murals putting putting in for like 00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:01.630 landscape type. Yeah not necessarily the preferred species 00:32:01.630 --> 00:32:04.000 but certainly yeah new plantings on a side 00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:08.450 within the development area. Okay I got you. Also different 00:32:08.450 --> 00:32:11.039 from any required um mitigation tree 00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:13.869 that would be. Correct in addition to mitigation trees. I 00:32:13.869 --> 00:32:18.480 got you. So uh one of the key pieces of 00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:22.299 our landscape code is the compatibility buffer between uses 00:32:22.299 --> 00:32:24.240 um so our code currently has four 00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:27.670 types of buffers type A, B, and C or I'm sorry A, B, C, and 00:32:27.670 --> 00:32:30.000 D um and it dictates where those apply 00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:32.519 and it has very strict requirements for how wide those buff 00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:34.240 ers are how many trees and shrubs have 00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:37.559 to be within those buffers. Um we we often get you know 00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:40.000 concerns expressed by developers who 00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:42.140 find that those requirements are just a little too strict 00:32:42.140 --> 00:32:44.079 sometimes they need to be able to uh 00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:47.519 to fluctuate what goes in that buffer space. So this table 00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:49.119 is intended to help provide that 00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:52.470 flexibility so we're maintaining the same um you know the 00:32:52.470 --> 00:32:54.480 same spirit of what we have now in the 00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:57.650 code where the uses are are separate or the the development 00:32:57.650 --> 00:32:59.519 is separated by what type of use is 00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:02.339 being developed and what use is adjoining and then if you 00:33:02.339 --> 00:33:04.079 follow the table it would tell you 00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:05.890 how many points you would have to attain within your buffer 00:33:05.890 --> 00:33:07.759 . So we're trying to go to a more 00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:10.589 flexible system where we say you need this number of points 00:33:10.589 --> 00:33:12.319 here's a menu of options that can get 00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:15.369 you to that number. Um and then in many cases we do still 00:33:15.369 --> 00:33:17.440 specify a minimum width to ensure that 00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:19.900 there's adequate spacing between say an industrial and a 00:33:19.900 --> 00:33:24.000 single family use. Hayley? Correct. Uh 00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:28.619 where the uses line up there's none so agriculture and 00:33:28.619 --> 00:33:31.759 agricultural none single family single finger 00:33:31.759 --> 00:33:35.390 none single family single family but multifamily multif 00:33:35.390 --> 00:33:39.599 amily we put a buffer in for the same use 00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:43.470 can you wouldn't I think logically it'd be none just like 00:33:43.470 --> 00:33:46.240 the diagonal would suggest on this bingo 00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:50.480 chart but um can you help why is there a required buffer 00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:53.680 for the same use? I I believe that is an 00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:56.250 error in the table um but we can look into that the intent 00:33:56.250 --> 00:33:57.920 may have been if it's multifamily 00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:00.650 versus townhome uh this was recommended by our consultant 00:34:00.650 --> 00:34:03.759 Clarion with our code update um but I 00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:06.470 I see your point there that that um seems a little counter 00:34:06.470 --> 00:34:08.719 intuitive as to the agricultural the intent 00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:11.440 there is to if someone's doing agriculture on their land to 00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:13.119 not require them to buffer. I totally 00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:15.150 understand that one I was more worried about the yeah 00:34:15.150 --> 00:34:16.960 certainly we can I'll make a note of that and 00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:19.550 and we can look into that a little bit more I'm I'm not 00:34:19.550 --> 00:34:21.840 sure what the logic was there may just be a 00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:26.000 an error on the table. Okay thanks. So uh speaking of the 00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:29.760 the required points here is that kind of 00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:32.769 menu of choices that um that you would have to to get you 00:34:32.769 --> 00:34:35.440 to that required number of buffer points 00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:37.599 um and like I said the intent here is to add more 00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:40.079 flexibility so if if a wall suits your site better 00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:42.650 than a you know a certain number of trees and shrubs you 00:34:42.650 --> 00:34:44.400 know that that could be worked in as 00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:47.550 well as providing options for different sizes of trees um 00:34:47.550 --> 00:34:49.599 different you know spacing of trees and 00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:53.239 things of that nature. Are there any questions on this 00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:56.079 before we jump? All right um so just give you 00:34:56.079 --> 00:34:58.590 an example um so a multifamily developing and joining 00:34:58.590 --> 00:35:00.719 single family current code would be a type 00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:03.590 b buffer which has to be a 10 foot wide area with five 00:35:03.590 --> 00:35:06.719 trees and 30 shrubs for every 100 linear feet. 00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:09.409 If you go back to that table and kind of play with the 00:35:09.409 --> 00:35:11.519 options there are multiple ways to get to 00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:14.090 the required number of points that we would like to see in 00:35:14.090 --> 00:35:15.360 that buffer moving forward 00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:18.659 so that could be a masonry wall it could be a double-sided 00:35:18.659 --> 00:35:20.800 wood fence with trees or it could 00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:23.139 be some combination of trees and shrubs similar to the 00:35:23.139 --> 00:35:24.800 current code requirements so again just 00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:28.800 the goal here is to provide more flexibility. Some of the 00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:31.679 other changes we're looking for or 00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:34.690 looking to make in the code are applying a similar point 00:35:34.690 --> 00:35:37.039 system to all required site landscaping. 00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:39.929 Again the goal being to provide flexibility but ensure that 00:35:39.929 --> 00:35:41.840 a minimum quality of landscaping and 00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:45.210 a minimum amount of landscaping is provided. So what we've 00:35:45.210 --> 00:35:47.119 developed is a similar table to what 00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:50.150 we just looked at for buffers. If you read through the 00:35:50.150 --> 00:35:52.480 draft code you see that we require a minimum 00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:56.300 of 30 points on every landscape plan so every site has to 00:35:56.300 --> 00:35:59.840 meet this minimum and that minimum 00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:02.630 is attained by selecting elements from different sections 00:36:02.630 --> 00:36:04.239 on the menu board so there would be 00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:06.840 right-of-way screening, parking lot landscaping, and then a 00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:08.320 variety of other elements that could 00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:10.679 be incorporated throughout the site wherever works for 00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:15.039 their development. So looking at that table 00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:17.409 the first section as I mentioned would be right-of-way 00:36:17.409 --> 00:36:19.039 screening so the goal here is if you 00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:21.380 have parking in front of your building you would choose two 00:36:21.380 --> 00:36:23.679 of these options. If you don't have 00:36:23.679 --> 00:36:25.909 front parking you just have say a drive aisle or something 00:36:25.909 --> 00:36:27.199 in front of your building and that could 00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:30.360 be reduced to one. So kind of keeping with the spirit of 00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:32.880 our current code the options include berms, 00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:36.369 combination of trees, and then shrubs as well as low walls 00:36:36.369 --> 00:36:38.000 that could provide screening for the 00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:41.630 parking lot. Commissioner Beck. Thank you. How high are 00:36:41.630 --> 00:36:45.199 those berms? Three feet? It's it's they can 00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:48.210 vary it's typically like a one to three side slope maximum 00:36:48.210 --> 00:36:50.320 but it would be whatever height that's as 00:36:50.320 --> 00:36:54.460 low as one foot high. Yeah some of them are very low but 00:36:54.460 --> 00:36:57.280 okay yeah and typically you'll see the 00:36:57.280 --> 00:36:59.940 the low berm with the landscaping shrubs or something like 00:36:59.940 --> 00:37:01.039 that on top of it that provides 00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:04.860 a little extra height there. The second component of the 00:37:04.860 --> 00:37:08.000 table would be internal parking lot elements 00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:11.039 so you see here where the current code has very minimal 00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:13.599 standards for that only if you have a 00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:15.710 large front parking lot does our current code require 00:37:15.710 --> 00:37:18.320 internal landscaping. We have a minimum 00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:20.170 percentage of parking lot landscaping but it doesn't 00:37:20.170 --> 00:37:21.760 dictate that that should be spread throughout 00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:24.559 to provide shade over the parking lot so we want to 00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:27.199 encourage that concept but provide options and 00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:30.199 how you can do that so it could be a combination of end 00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:32.559 caps and internal landscape islands it 00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:35.340 could be landscape medians between rows of parking allowing 00:37:35.340 --> 00:37:37.119 the developer to choose whatever works 00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:39.840 best for their site but still attain landscaping dispersed 00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:43.199 throughout a parking lot. And then 00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:46.280 finally the the other landscape elements that we're 00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:48.480 proposing could be used on a site does 00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:51.150 include some some things such as encouraging drought 00:37:51.150 --> 00:37:53.599 tolerant plants, encouraging a minimum of 00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:56.960 turf grass usage on a site. Some of the newer things that 00:37:56.960 --> 00:37:58.719 we've added based on the committee 00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:02.349 on the environment's recommendations were things such as 00:38:02.349 --> 00:38:04.960 living walls and green roofs which we 00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:07.050 currently don't have addressed in our code at all so when 00:38:07.050 --> 00:38:08.719 someone proposes that it's kind of 00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:12.000 hard to see how it would apply. So allowing that to be a 00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:14.480 use and then the newest we've added is this 00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:17.380 butterfly pollinator garden you may have noticed that Dent 00:38:17.380 --> 00:38:20.480 on became a monarch city USA designation 00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:23.369 so to try to encourage that we've worked that into the code 00:38:23.369 --> 00:38:24.480 is one of the options. 00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:29.400 Commissioner Beck. Thank you chair. On the grass swells for 00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:31.199 surface water is the grass 00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:35.489 going to be drought resistant type grass or can it be Berm 00:38:35.489 --> 00:38:37.920 uda? It could be any grass. 00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:42.969 Certainly if you wanted us to encourage one way or the 00:38:42.969 --> 00:38:45.840 other we could work something like that in. 00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:51.449 Okay thanks. Finally the last piece of landscaping that we 00:38:51.449 --> 00:38:52.960 're still working on 00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:57.920 is open space requirements. Our code currently has these 00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:00.719 for multifamily uses only so we're looking 00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:03.489 into as we move forward and try to encourage cluster 00:39:03.489 --> 00:39:05.920 development as an option minimum landscape 00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:09.099 or minimum open space areas for that as well as maintaining 00:39:09.099 --> 00:39:11.360 our minimum open space for multifamily 00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:15.510 and kind of the overarching piece of this as I mentioned is 00:39:15.510 --> 00:39:17.119 our end goal is a combined 00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:19.909 conservation code that would include tree preservation 00:39:19.909 --> 00:39:21.760 landscaping and ESA. So with 00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:24.260 this draft landscape code we're also still working through 00:39:24.260 --> 00:39:26.960 how to apply credits for tree preservation 00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:29.989 and things like that and as well as credits for ESA and see 00:39:29.989 --> 00:39:32.000 how all of these pieces work together. 00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:34.590 So the end goal is not to be overly onerous but to 00:39:34.590 --> 00:39:37.039 encourage a high quality development with 00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:41.340 a multi-age tree canopy throughout the city. But that's all 00:39:41.340 --> 00:39:43.199 I had for you. I promise this would be 00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:46.260 the brief portion so unless there's any other questions we 00:39:46.260 --> 00:39:47.920 can move on to the next item. 00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:51.679 I think we're good. Thank you very much Haley. Thank you. 00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:57.519 Next up is Julie with a presentation on the comprehensive 00:39:57.519 --> 00:39:58.480 planning. 00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:09.869 All right. Third time's a charm. That's right. All right I 00:40:09.869 --> 00:40:16.320 also brought show and tell items. 00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:18.469 We've got some old comp plans over here if anybody's 00:40:18.469 --> 00:40:19.760 interested in looking at them 00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:20.559 they're pretty funny to look at so but you have to give 00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:29.199 them back. Okay so continuing on with our 00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:29.199 planning boot camp. We're talking about comprehensive 00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:36.559 planning tonight. So on our agenda is to first talk 00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:39.199 about how the Texas Local Government Code treats 00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:42.880 comprehensive planning. What is a comprehensive 00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:45.429 plan? What does the planning literature say about 00:40:45.429 --> 00:40:48.400 comprehensive plans? A brief history of comprehensive 00:40:48.400 --> 00:40:51.480 planning in Denton and then we're gonna we're gonna get 00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:55.679 into the Denton plan 2030. The parts of it, 00:40:55.679 --> 00:41:00.300 how to read it, places to look for information. So here we 00:41:00.300 --> 00:41:02.559 go. First we're going to talk about 00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:06.989 the Texas Local Government Code. So chapter 213 outlines 00:41:06.989 --> 00:41:09.199 municipal comprehensive plans. 00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:12.920 They're intended to promote health safety and welfare. A 00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:16.079 municipality can adopt a comprehensive 00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:19.940 plan but they're not required to do so. The content and 00:41:19.940 --> 00:41:22.079 design are fairly open-ended. 00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:26.369 Cities can talk about land use, transportation, other 00:41:26.369 --> 00:41:29.280 public facilities. They can organize it by 00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:33.099 subject or by geographical area and it can be used to 00:41:33.099 --> 00:41:35.760 coordinate and guide regulations. 00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:38.469 A municipality may define the relationship between the 00:41:38.469 --> 00:41:40.159 comprehensive plan and development 00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:44.280 regulations and comprehensive plans are adopted and amended 00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:46.800 by ordinance. So as we talked the last 00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:50.139 time comprehensive plans are our comprehensive plan is 00:41:50.139 --> 00:41:52.320 amended in the same way a zoning case 00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:55.039 would be amended in that it would require the public 00:41:55.039 --> 00:41:57.199 hearing and then a recommendation by 00:41:57.199 --> 00:42:00.840 peonzy and approval by council. So what does the planning 00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:03.679 literature say about comprehensive plans? 00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:09.400 So a little bit of history. One of the the fathers of 00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:12.320 planning, Daniel Burnham, he was a Chicago 00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:18.780 architect. He was the one who designed the 1893 Colombian, 00:42:18.780 --> 00:42:21.760 World Colombian Exposition. If you've 00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:25.610 heard of the white city where the buildings were all white 00:42:25.610 --> 00:42:29.599 and the waterways. So he designed that 00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:35.119 and then he also did the first comprehensive plan. It was 00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:37.840 the Chicago, the 1909 Chicago plan. So this 00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:40.570 was his quote. It's a little cliched in the planning 00:42:40.570 --> 00:42:42.559 profession but I love it. I think it's 00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:46.380 inspiring. They don't know if he actually said it. They 00:42:46.380 --> 00:42:48.880 think maybe one of his associates said it but 00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:52.929 I'm gonna I'm gonna let him have it. So make no little 00:42:52.929 --> 00:42:56.320 plans. There's Mr. Burnham himself. He had 00:42:56.320 --> 00:43:00.519 quite the mustache and there is a photo of the white city. 00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:03.039 So you might want to google it. There's 00:43:03.039 --> 00:43:06.960 there's lots of photos on the internet. It's no longer 00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:09.119 there and then here is one of the 00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:15.429 plates from the 1909 plan of Chicago. It talked, it looked 00:43:15.429 --> 00:43:17.280 at the park lands, it looked at 00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:20.920 transportation. It actually was a plan that included the 00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:23.679 central part of Chicago and extended out 60 00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:27.719 miles. So it was it was quite something. It took years to 00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:30.320 develop and he became the toast of the 00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:33.329 town and it was internationally known after it was adopted 00:43:33.329 --> 00:43:35.760 and then he died three years later. So 00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:40.250 it killed him I guess but so so there it is. So generally 00:43:40.250 --> 00:43:43.840 what is a comprehensive plan? 00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:47.090 John Levy defines it as a guide to the development of a 00:43:47.090 --> 00:43:47.679 community. 00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:50.840 The citizen's guide to planning says it is a way for the 00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:52.880 community to find where it has been, 00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:56.920 where it is, and where it wants to go. The Texas APA has 00:43:56.920 --> 00:44:00.000 six purposes of comprehensive planning 00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:03.219 process. First to improve the physical environment of the 00:44:03.219 --> 00:44:05.679 community as a setting for human activities. 00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:09.590 Second to promote the public interest. So not just special 00:44:09.590 --> 00:44:11.599 interests but the entire public. 00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:15.510 Third to facilitate the democratic determination and 00:44:15.510 --> 00:44:17.840 implementation of community policies on 00:44:17.840 --> 00:44:21.059 physical development. Four to affect political and 00:44:21.059 --> 00:44:23.760 technical coordination of community development. 00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:27.449 Five to inject long-range considerations in the in the 00:44:27.449 --> 00:44:30.159 determination of short-range actions. 00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:34.159 And finally to prove to bring professional and technical 00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:35.760 knowledge to bear in the making of 00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:39.980 political decisions. So it's pretty good pretty good list 00:44:39.980 --> 00:44:42.960 there. The citizen's guide to planning 00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:45.739 outlines what the different parts are or the typical parts 00:44:45.739 --> 00:44:47.280 are in a comprehensive plan. As 00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:49.750 the Texas Local Government Code says it could really be 00:44:49.750 --> 00:44:51.440 anything you want it to be but the 00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:54.530 planning literature kind of has these general parts. Some 00:44:54.530 --> 00:44:56.400 of them have them some of them don't 00:44:56.400 --> 00:44:59.400 but we'll go over them briefly. First the vision. It's the 00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:01.599 community's description of its future. 00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:05.239 In the past the vision was just maybe a couple of sentences 00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:07.440 . Our current comp plan is two pages 00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:11.969 of vision. So they've they've run the gamut. Research and 00:45:11.969 --> 00:45:14.719 analysis. There's several data 00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:17.219 points that planners look at and that communities look at 00:45:17.219 --> 00:45:19.119 when planning their comprehensive plans. 00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:23.110 First of all to look at the population characteristics. Who 00:45:23.110 --> 00:45:24.239 lives in our city? 00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:27.610 How old are they? Or what is what are their education level 00:45:27.610 --> 00:45:29.199 ? What how much money do people 00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:32.199 make? Where do they live? And then how do those 00:45:32.199 --> 00:45:35.199 demographics affect how do they relate to the 00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:37.599 built environment particularly the housing market? That's 00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:40.480 that's important. And then economic trends. 00:45:41.679 --> 00:45:45.840 You know how does the internet affect retail development 00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:47.679 and where should retail go? So all 00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:51.500 of those elements can go into a comprehensive plan. Growth 00:45:51.500 --> 00:45:53.840 forecasts. Where where where do we 00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:56.480 think we're going to grow and and and how many? 00:45:56.480 --> 00:45:59.679 Environmental analysis. Where are natural features? 00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:03.000 Public facilities and infrastructure. Where are our fire 00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:05.199 stations and our police stations in our 00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:08.059 schools? And if we grow the way we think we're going to 00:46:08.059 --> 00:46:10.000 grow how many will we need and where 00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:13.630 should we put them? Land use capacity. How much undeveloped 00:46:13.630 --> 00:46:15.360 land do we have and how many people 00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:18.489 do we think are going to live in it? Community character 00:46:18.489 --> 00:46:20.719 analysis. These are the intangibles. 00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:23.889 When we think of Denton we think of arts and culture, music 00:46:23.889 --> 00:46:26.400 , the square, those intangibles 00:46:26.400 --> 00:46:29.559 that define our community. And the fiscal analysis. What 00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:31.679 are the implications of new growth? 00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:36.000 If we plan a community 10 miles away from the city center 00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:38.880 what will it cost to maintain the roads to 00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:41.679 get there and the water and the sewer? So all of those 00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:46.400 factors come into play. Goals, objectives, 00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:50.429 and policies are discussed in comprehensive plans. We they 00:46:50.429 --> 00:46:54.000 're all these three elements are typically 00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:56.409 in comprehensive plans but they name them different things 00:46:56.409 --> 00:46:58.079 and in fact our plan names it something 00:46:58.079 --> 00:47:01.670 different. But but generally the goals. What is the desired 00:47:01.670 --> 00:47:03.760 end state? Where do we want to go? 00:47:03.760 --> 00:47:06.320 What what do we want to be? Objectives. What are the 00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:08.880 benchmarks? How do we know we're getting there? 00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:12.130 And then the policies. What what action items do we have to 00:47:12.130 --> 00:47:13.599 take to get to our goal? 00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:17.030 All comprehensive well not all comprehensive plans but most 00:47:17.030 --> 00:47:18.719 comprehensive plans we see today have 00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:22.539 lots of maps and those are my favorite parts. Particularly 00:47:22.539 --> 00:47:25.360 our future land use map. And then 00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:29.800 implementation and monitoring. Other factors to consider in 00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:32.159 comp plans typically or I'm sorry 00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:35.050 comprehensive plans are a policy document. They they are 00:47:35.050 --> 00:47:37.199 different than the zoning code. The 00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:41.289 zoning code is our regulations. Our comp plan is our policy 00:47:41.289 --> 00:47:43.760 document that that informs our zoning 00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:47.679 code. Typically there's a 20 year horizon. We we plan 20 00:47:47.679 --> 00:47:49.840 years out but they should be updated 00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:53.659 every five years. Plan effects on the ground change and you 00:47:53.659 --> 00:47:55.519 want to continually update it. 00:47:56.400 --> 00:47:58.239 Planning documents and I'm going to say this later but 00:47:58.239 --> 00:48:00.880 planning the comprehensive planning is 00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:03.829 is not only a document it's not only a product it is a 00:48:03.829 --> 00:48:06.159 process and it's a continuous process. 00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:09.760 A brief history of comprehensive planning in Denton this is 00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:11.440 where it's going to get fun. 00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:15.489 So um in doing a little bit of research I don't know if 00:48:15.489 --> 00:48:17.280 this is a comprehensive list of 00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:20.369 comprehensive plans but it's what I could find. So the 00:48:20.369 --> 00:48:22.480 first one I found for the city of Denton was 00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:26.389 in 1960 and it's a pretty robust plan. Then there was 00:48:26.389 --> 00:48:31.199 another one in 1974. The 1999 plan was was 00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:33.989 what we used when I came to the city of Denton and then in 00:48:33.989 --> 00:48:36.960 2015 we adopted the Denton plan 2030. 00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:43.570 So in 1960 comprehensive plans are really good time caps 00:48:43.570 --> 00:48:46.320 ules of the zeitgeist of an area. They 00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:48.960 really talk about like how people feel about themselves and 00:48:48.960 --> 00:48:50.400 where they want to be so they're 00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:54.650 fascinating. This is a quote from the plan. "If some method 00:48:54.650 --> 00:48:56.960 of measuring intellectual level of 00:48:56.960 --> 00:49:00.510 a city were known Denton would be listed among the leaders 00:49:00.510 --> 00:49:04.079 in the nation." I love that. So um 00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:07.730 so that is the basis of that plan. So this is their land 00:49:07.730 --> 00:49:09.679 use plan. As you could see Denton was 00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:12.769 a lot smaller in 1960. There wasn't as much development on 00:49:12.769 --> 00:49:14.239 the south side of town and certainly 00:49:14.239 --> 00:49:18.829 the preserve wasn't there. The the um the zoning ordinance 00:49:18.829 --> 00:49:21.840 that followed that comprehensive plan 00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:26.719 was in 1963 and um and it it kind of followed the the the 00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:29.920 planning principles of the day. We we had 00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:33.119 fair very few zoning districts and they were um they weren 00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:35.199 't mixed use districts. They were 00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:38.510 pretty Euclidean and we'll talk about that in our next um 00:49:38.510 --> 00:49:41.280 our next boot camp session is uh they 00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:45.320 really separated a lot of the uses. They had a thoroughfare 00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:47.920 plan too. This is pretty interesting. 00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:51.980 Denton had it one had a planned inner loop and it was right 00:49:51.980 --> 00:49:55.519 here and then here was the proposed 00:49:55.519 --> 00:49:59.760 outer loop. 35W wasn't there and the plan talks about it is 00:49:59.760 --> 00:50:02.239 at the southern end of the brand new 00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:07.150 I-35. So um I think the highway the federal highway was in 00:50:07.150 --> 00:50:10.480 1956 am I right? The that act. 00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:14.360 So I would imagine that 35 was was just about finished then 00:50:14.360 --> 00:50:17.760 . So um and then here there was a 00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:23.369 1960 downtown plan and this is so cool. They they proposed 00:50:23.369 --> 00:50:26.960 a pedestrian um mall right here. So this 00:50:26.960 --> 00:50:32.510 was going to be the pedestrian loop. Um they uh so here's 00:50:32.510 --> 00:50:35.199 City Hall West if y'all if y'all are 00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:39.730 familiar with that. This seems to be the city buildings um 00:50:39.730 --> 00:50:42.400 McKinney was going to dead in here. 00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:45.409 I believe this is the inner loop from what I can tell and 00:50:45.409 --> 00:50:47.360 so McKinney was going to dead in here. 00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:49.869 There's going to be all the city offices. There's going to 00:50:49.869 --> 00:50:51.039 be the pedestrian center. 00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:55.469 They they advocated for a facelift of the architecture. 00:50:55.469 --> 00:50:56.480 They felt that the buildings 00:50:56.480 --> 00:51:00.300 were too drab so they thought they should be modernized. So 00:51:00.300 --> 00:51:02.079 just looking at some of those 00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:04.800 buildings on the square that got the facelift in the 60s 00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:06.239 you kind of see what they were 00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:09.440 talking about. They really wanted those modern facades. 00:51:12.159 --> 00:51:14.050 And um City Hall West according to that plan did not have 00:51:14.050 --> 00:51:16.480 air conditioning. So we could be having 00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:19.769 these meetings in an air conditioned environment. So 00:51:19.769 --> 00:51:22.000 luckily they did update some of it. 00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:26.519 The 1974 plan didn't have as many maps but I did want to 00:51:26.519 --> 00:51:28.400 pull a couple of the goals. 00:51:29.039 --> 00:51:31.840 I like the land use goal that wanted to provide adequate 00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:34.159 but not excessive amounts of all types 00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:38.650 of land for community needs. They they talked about the 00:51:38.650 --> 00:51:40.960 environment but they talked about they 00:51:40.960 --> 00:51:43.300 they defined it a little differently than we define it now. 00:51:43.300 --> 00:51:44.719 They talk about plan protect and 00:51:44.719 --> 00:51:47.510 preserve the natural and man-made environment. So they 00:51:47.510 --> 00:51:49.119 defined it a little differently. 00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:52.019 At that time they were still talking about affordable 00:51:52.019 --> 00:51:54.800 housing. So some of those deal issues 00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:57.400 that we deal with today were still were still things were 00:51:57.400 --> 00:51:59.119 things that we dealt with even back 00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:02.760 then. And and one phrase that I really liked in this one it 00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:05.039 talks about maintaining constant 00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:08.719 surveillance of different of different things. It's uh. 00:52:11.280 --> 00:52:15.099 Isn't that funny like that's an odd phrase to use but that 00:52:15.099 --> 00:52:16.239 's what they used. 00:52:20.719 --> 00:52:25.659 Once again Zeitgeist. Um and then 1999 uh we updated the 00:52:25.659 --> 00:52:27.679 plan. The plan won an award. It was 00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:30.949 it was um it it and there's a copy of it over there if you 00:52:30.949 --> 00:52:32.639 want to flip through it. 00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:36.280 It was adopted in December on December 7th of 1999. It's 00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:38.000 actually the basis of our current 00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:41.630 Denton Development Code. So um where we had those those 00:52:41.630 --> 00:52:44.320 just few zoning districts in 1963. We had 00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:46.539 the residential. We had apartment. We had business and we 00:52:46.539 --> 00:52:49.440 had industrial. Um that that new code 00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:51.780 brought in mixed use districts and we talked about 00:52:51.780 --> 00:52:53.840 development scale and neighborhood scale 00:52:53.840 --> 00:52:57.170 versus regional scale and you can see that reflected in our 00:52:57.170 --> 00:52:59.440 current code. So so this plan 00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:03.760 really informed our code that we see today. This was the 00:53:03.760 --> 00:53:07.119 land use plan by the way. I can you can 00:53:07.119 --> 00:53:11.150 see that it's um you know it's still it's still pretty 00:53:11.150 --> 00:53:14.159 compact in in in Denton. Denton didn't 00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:17.980 pushing those boundaries ever ever more every year. So now 00:53:17.980 --> 00:53:21.360 let's look at the current comprehensive 00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:25.599 plan that we use. So at a glance uh the the update was 00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:29.440 initiated in 2012 and it was an update of that 00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:33.079 1999 plan. It was developed in five phases. They had 00:53:33.079 --> 00:53:35.920 significant community involvement throughout. 00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:38.630 There were three guiding groups. The Citizens Advisory 00:53:38.630 --> 00:53:40.719 Committee, Technical Advisory Committee, 00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:46.159 Denton and then um Denton 2030. Then plan 2030 Ambassadors. 00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:48.800 Um they also did surveys. They had 00:53:48.800 --> 00:53:53.599 kickoff meetings. Um they did uh outreach to stakeholders. 00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:55.679 So there they they really worked 00:53:55.679 --> 00:53:59.500 on a robust um public outreach. It was adopted by ordinance 00:53:59.500 --> 00:54:02.800 in February of 2015 and just to give you 00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:07.710 a little um a little taste of of their projections. They 00:54:07.710 --> 00:54:10.480 they uh projected that the population in 00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:14.300 Denton would increase to over 200,000 people by 2030. So 00:54:14.300 --> 00:54:16.159 that that's a pretty substantial increase. 00:54:18.400 --> 00:54:21.590 So we've talked about the planning literature and what the 00:54:21.590 --> 00:54:23.679 what the standards are for comprehensive 00:54:23.679 --> 00:54:27.309 plans. But now let's talk about how to read our plan. So 00:54:27.309 --> 00:54:29.440 our community vision statement. Before I 00:54:29.440 --> 00:54:32.059 say that, does everyone here have a copy of the 00:54:32.059 --> 00:54:36.800 comprehensive plan? If you do not, we can get you 00:54:36.800 --> 00:54:41.199 one. Okay. How many have read the vision statement? All 00:54:41.199 --> 00:54:44.159 right. Good. If you haven't, if you haven't 00:54:44.159 --> 00:54:48.420 had an opportunity yet, it's on pages 14 and 15 of of the 00:54:48.420 --> 00:54:50.960 um comprehensive plan. The comprehensive 00:54:50.960 --> 00:54:54.590 plan also includes 10 elements. Those are chapters and 00:54:54.590 --> 00:54:56.800 those include things like the framework of the 00:54:56.800 --> 00:55:01.929 plan, the land use, housing, the mobility, infrastructure. 00:55:01.929 --> 00:55:03.840 So it it includes a lot of 00:55:03.840 --> 00:55:07.099 elements as it comes to to what the city is and what what 00:55:07.099 --> 00:55:10.639 we want it to be. Um each element 00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:14.460 contains some of those some of those points that we talked 00:55:14.460 --> 00:55:17.039 about earlier. The research and analysis, 00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:20.280 which are the basis for the conclusions. And then those 00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:22.960 goals, it has goals, policies, and actions. 00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:25.940 But those are those three elements we talked about earlier. 00:55:25.940 --> 00:55:27.119 The goals, objectives, and 00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:32.210 policies. So we call them goals, policies, and actions. And 00:55:32.210 --> 00:55:35.360 then earlier in the presentation, 00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:38.829 I called them goals, objectives, and policies. So they do 00:55:38.829 --> 00:55:41.920 the same thing. It also includes maps like 00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:45.070 the preferred growth map, existing land uses, future land 00:55:45.070 --> 00:55:47.360 use map. So let's talk about the vision 00:55:47.360 --> 00:55:51.019 first. So the vision statement, it was the result of all of 00:55:51.019 --> 00:55:53.119 that community outreach that I talked 00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:57.989 about. The surveys, the the meetings, the discussions with 00:55:57.989 --> 00:56:00.800 citizens, with policy makers, with with 00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:04.619 political leaders. And it's organized around four strategic 00:56:04.619 --> 00:56:06.719 directions, which include the character 00:56:06.719 --> 00:56:09.719 of Denton, our people, institutions, and government, the 00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:12.079 strength of the economy, and sound growth. 00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:19.980 Now we'll take at this is just a sample of of a chapter. 00:56:19.980 --> 00:56:22.719 What we'll talk about are the parts of 00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:25.739 the chapter. And this so this can go throughout the plan. 00:56:25.739 --> 00:56:28.000 As you read through it, you can you can 00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:30.639 pull out these these parts. So you kind of give you a 00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:33.360 roadmap to read it. So first of all, you 00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:35.800 know what chapter you're in, because it it talks about it 00:56:35.800 --> 00:56:37.599 here. So we're going to be looking at 00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:42.440 element two, which is land use. At the beginning of every 00:56:42.440 --> 00:56:45.360 chapter in this blue box will be the 00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:50.400 parts of the vision statement that are are reflected in the 00:56:50.400 --> 00:56:52.800 chapter. So in the land use 00:56:52.800 --> 00:56:55.619 chapter, of course, that those parts that the sound growth 00:56:55.619 --> 00:56:57.440 that that really is where that vision 00:56:57.440 --> 00:57:01.860 statement comes into play. There's research and analysis, 00:57:01.860 --> 00:57:04.639 there's tables and graphs throughout 00:57:04.639 --> 00:57:08.960 the the plan, which which give valuable information and 00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:12.480 also give you get wants to give you give you 00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:16.519 that supporting evidence for the conclusions. The goals are 00:57:16.519 --> 00:57:19.199 in the dark blue boxes. The plan 00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:22.289 states that they set a general direction and ideal future 00:57:22.289 --> 00:57:24.800 long range and comprehensive in nature 00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:28.619 and used to describe the desired result or outcome. 00:57:28.619 --> 00:57:34.079 policies are in the dark or in the bold. 00:57:34.960 --> 00:57:39.170 And they are a specific statement guiding decision makers a 00:57:39.170 --> 00:57:41.760 commitment to a particular course of 00:57:41.760 --> 00:57:45.789 action. They describe context and rationale of a desired 00:57:45.789 --> 00:57:47.920 outcome, and they're more specific than 00:57:47.920 --> 00:57:52.400 the goals. And then finally, the action statements are then 00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:55.199 underneath the policy statements. 00:57:55.840 --> 00:57:59.659 And those are those are specific steps to achieve those 00:57:59.659 --> 00:58:00.960 policy goals. 00:58:03.119 --> 00:58:06.940 So so as you're looking through through the comp plan, it 00:58:06.940 --> 00:58:09.760 flows first from the vision statement 00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:13.389 that sets the tone for every everything that we want to do 00:58:13.389 --> 00:58:16.400 within our community. Our goals relate 00:58:16.400 --> 00:58:19.500 to that vision statement in some capacity. And on this 00:58:19.500 --> 00:58:22.000 particular goal, it's to promote development, 00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:26.030 which enhances community character and functionality. The 00:58:26.030 --> 00:58:26.639 policies 00:58:28.880 --> 00:58:31.650 support the goals in this one, it's to set a high standard 00:58:31.650 --> 00:58:33.360 of quality design, 00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:36.000 equality in the design in the public realm to enhance the 00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:37.679 appearance and functionality. 00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:40.679 And then finally, those action items enhance design 00:58:40.679 --> 00:58:43.199 standards pertaining to aesthetics and 00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:46.210 complete streets for future construction of public rights 00:58:46.210 --> 00:58:47.519 of way and thoroughfares. 00:58:47.519 --> 00:58:51.340 So you can find this trail throughout our comprehensive 00:58:51.340 --> 00:58:52.719 plan in every element. 00:58:56.000 --> 00:58:57.380 One one part of the comp plan we look at a lot is the 00:58:57.380 --> 00:59:00.559 future land use map. But I thought we'd talk 00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:03.079 about how it was created because it didn't just spring from 00:59:03.079 --> 00:59:04.719 from nowhere, there was actually a 00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:08.079 process to create it. And it is the basis for the land use 00:59:08.079 --> 00:59:09.599 element for what we do. 00:59:10.559 --> 00:59:13.099 It was developed from public input, and it was derived from 00:59:13.099 --> 00:59:15.280 the preferred growth concept. So 00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:19.750 just to if you look on page 20 of your comprehensive plan, 00:59:19.750 --> 00:59:22.639 within part of the public outreach, 00:59:22.639 --> 00:59:27.050 they had they had alternative growth scenarios. One being 00:59:27.050 --> 00:59:29.760 if we did nothing, if we just kept going 00:59:29.760 --> 00:59:33.300 as usual, one if we only grew on the corridors, another if 00:59:33.300 --> 00:59:35.360 we grew at the centers, and then if 00:59:35.360 --> 00:59:39.449 we grew compactly. So as part of the public outreach, the 00:59:39.449 --> 00:59:41.840 public provided feedback on these 00:59:42.400 --> 00:59:45.199 on these gross scenarios. Richard and I were talking about 00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:47.599 it was interesting about what the 00:59:47.599 --> 00:59:51.420 land use assumptions were back in 2012. When this first 00:59:51.420 --> 00:59:53.760 started, was that the city was going to grow 00:59:53.760 --> 00:59:55.920 toward ropes and ranch, it was going to grow toward the 00:59:55.920 --> 00:59:58.480 southwest. And and really, that's not 00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:01.030 what we've seen. We've seen it really growing to the 01:00:01.030 --> 01:00:04.000 northeast and the east. So so even those 01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:07.820 assumptions that we used back then are have have changed. 01:00:07.820 --> 01:00:14.000 So so the this future land use map was 01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:17.010 derived from the preferred growth concept, which was based 01:00:17.010 --> 01:00:19.119 upon these alternative growth scenarios, 01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:23.150 the existing conditions, capacity studies, you know, where 01:00:23.150 --> 01:00:24.639 we had capacity to grow, 01:00:25.519 --> 01:00:28.360 community priorities, including things like walkability and 01:00:28.360 --> 01:00:29.760 trails that we wanted a mix 01:00:29.760 --> 01:00:33.400 of uses that we wanted jobs close to home, our community 01:00:33.400 --> 01:00:35.440 character, and then fiscal impact 01:00:35.440 --> 01:00:38.530 analysis, you know, compact growth is more fiscally sound 01:00:38.530 --> 01:00:40.639 because you have fewer roads and water and 01:00:40.639 --> 01:00:45.440 sewer to maintain. So so this is this is the future land 01:00:45.440 --> 01:00:48.800 use map that was created as as result of all 01:00:48.800 --> 01:00:51.679 of that input. I know we talk about a lot, we don't often 01:00:51.679 --> 01:00:53.599 see the entire future land use map. 01:00:53.599 --> 01:00:56.909 We usually just look at it in a more zoomed in point. But 01:00:56.909 --> 01:00:58.960 it's it's a it's a good exercise to 01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:01.300 kind of look at it because it really does reflect what that 01:01:01.300 --> 01:01:02.159 vision is of the city. 01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:06.059 Other items to keep in mind regarding comprehensive 01:01:06.059 --> 01:01:08.000 planning and our plan. 01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:11.980 The plan is comprehensive. So it is easy to get done all 01:01:11.980 --> 01:01:14.559 vision on that future land use map that 01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:17.809 is is really what we look at most on a day to day basis. 01:01:17.809 --> 01:01:20.480 But other goals, policies and actions can 01:01:20.480 --> 01:01:24.360 provide us direction. And it's in particularly when we're 01:01:24.360 --> 01:01:27.360 talking about design design items. So 01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:32.920 for instance, on page 183, it talks about it talks about to 01:01:32.920 --> 01:01:36.559 encourage new development to create 01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:39.929 pedestrian and bicycle friendly places. That's not 01:01:39.929 --> 01:01:42.480 necessarily a policy that we talk about when 01:01:42.480 --> 01:01:44.880 we're talking about straight zoning. But when you're 01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:47.039 talking about an SUP or an ADP, that 01:01:47.039 --> 01:01:49.380 certainly comes into play. So that's really vital 01:01:49.380 --> 01:01:51.199 information that we shouldn't ignore. 01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:55.139 And you know, Richard and I were talking about this. And 01:01:55.139 --> 01:01:57.280 when he first came, he got a copy of 01:01:57.280 --> 01:02:00.360 the comp plan, and he read through it, and he marked it up. 01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:02.000 And he teased out those policy 01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:06.039 directives, he teased out all that text, because that does, 01:02:06.039 --> 01:02:08.079 it does give context as to what we're 01:02:08.079 --> 01:02:12.280 doing. So it's important to, to look throughout to look at 01:02:12.280 --> 01:02:14.639 the plan as a whole and not just that 01:02:14.639 --> 01:02:18.670 future land use map. As I said before, comprehensive 01:02:18.670 --> 01:02:21.679 planning is as much a process as it is a product. 01:02:22.400 --> 01:02:25.989 Although we have these this document, we want to continue 01:02:25.989 --> 01:02:29.119 the process. And comp plans should be 01:02:29.119 --> 01:02:32.940 updated on a fairly regular basis. And just in terms of 01:02:32.940 --> 01:02:35.039 what we've seen in the in the city, 01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:38.719 Karen in our office did a land use analysis and rezoning 01:02:38.719 --> 01:02:42.159 cases from October 2016 to 2018 01:02:43.119 --> 01:02:47.170 could result top line if they if they developed at their 01:02:47.170 --> 01:02:49.679 maximum density with over 1400, 01:02:50.400 --> 01:02:54.030 or 14,000 new dwelling units within the city of Denton. But 01:02:54.030 --> 01:02:56.239 they're not always in the areas 01:02:56.239 --> 01:02:59.869 that we anticipated the growth in terms of that, those 01:02:59.869 --> 01:03:02.320 those future growth scenarios. So, 01:03:02.880 --> 01:03:06.510 so how do we address that? How do we address when the when 01:03:06.510 --> 01:03:09.280 the future land use map is not reflecting 01:03:09.280 --> 01:03:12.849 the the direction in which growth is going within the city 01:03:12.849 --> 01:03:17.039 of Denton? So and that's a question we'll 01:03:17.039 --> 01:03:21.590 we'll have to answer. Texas Local Government codes chapter 01:03:21.590 --> 01:03:24.639 211 says that zoning regulations 01:03:24.639 --> 01:03:27.650 must be adopted in accordance with the comprehensive plan. 01:03:27.650 --> 01:03:29.679 So how does that factor into that when we're 01:03:29.679 --> 01:03:33.309 seeing a lot of growth in areas we didn't anticipate and 01:03:33.309 --> 01:03:34.880 faster than we anticipated? 01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:37.699 Now how do how do we deal with that with our comprehensive 01:03:37.699 --> 01:03:39.519 plan? Julie, not that it applies 01:03:39.519 --> 01:03:42.789 to us. But if a comprehensive plan is optional, how does 01:03:42.789 --> 01:03:44.719 that code apply universally? 01:03:46.239 --> 01:03:49.909 If you adopt one, your zoning should follow your comp plan. 01:03:49.909 --> 01:03:51.440 If you don't adopt a comp plan, 01:03:52.719 --> 01:03:55.039 then free for all. Yep, whatever you want. 01:03:57.360 --> 01:04:03.710 Did you say Houston? So and Richard, I don't know if you 01:04:03.710 --> 01:04:05.840 want to add anything. No, one thing I just 01:04:05.840 --> 01:04:08.329 wanted to add because we've we've had this conversation as 01:04:08.329 --> 01:04:10.159 part of the the development code 01:04:10.159 --> 01:04:13.809 review committee. When we do have those inconsistencies 01:04:13.809 --> 01:04:15.360 with the with the rezone, 01:04:15.360 --> 01:04:17.699 you know, with the zoning and the land use. And where it 01:04:17.699 --> 01:04:19.599 gets particularly challenging is 01:04:19.599 --> 01:04:22.239 when we have a rural designation on the land use plan, you 01:04:22.239 --> 01:04:24.000 know, that's looked at it, you know, 01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:26.840 it's being planned at a density of one unit per five acres. 01:04:26.840 --> 01:04:29.519 Right. So that's point what point two 01:04:30.559 --> 01:04:33.840 units per per acre. And then we're, you know, we're rez 01:04:33.840 --> 01:04:36.880 oning those parcels, you know, four units an 01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:41.050 acre or six units an acre, which is a substantial increase. 01:04:41.050 --> 01:04:43.280 And so luckily, what we've done lately, 01:04:44.000 --> 01:04:47.840 as we're looking at at least some of these city initiated 01:04:47.840 --> 01:04:50.960 traffic studies, is still look at, 01:04:50.960 --> 01:04:53.460 you know, use that as the guide, but also step it back 01:04:53.460 --> 01:04:55.119 because we do have instances where 01:04:56.079 --> 01:04:59.119 there is that inconsistency. And so I think what's happened 01:04:59.119 --> 01:05:00.719 previously is, of course, 01:05:00.719 --> 01:05:03.059 everyone goes to the comp plan, because that's supposed to 01:05:03.059 --> 01:05:04.480 be your right, your guiding map. 01:05:04.480 --> 01:05:07.849 But the problem is, we have those we have those inconsisten 01:05:07.849 --> 01:05:10.159 cies. And so part of the discussion 01:05:10.159 --> 01:05:13.429 that we had is should we have those or should should the 01:05:13.429 --> 01:05:15.840 land use be consistent with the zoning 01:05:15.840 --> 01:05:19.710 prior? Should the land use change prior to the zoning? I 01:05:19.710 --> 01:05:21.679 know there are some cities in the 01:05:21.679 --> 01:05:26.090 Metroplex that require it. I think the example that we got 01:05:26.090 --> 01:05:28.960 as part of that meeting from from 01:05:28.960 --> 01:05:32.190 the outside our outside Land Use Council, she had 01:05:32.190 --> 01:05:35.199 referenced, I guess, a project she was involved 01:05:35.199 --> 01:05:38.500 with in Prosper, where they wanted to change the zoning on 01:05:38.500 --> 01:05:40.960 a parcel. However, the land use had it 01:05:40.960 --> 01:05:44.590 as rural. So prior to the, I guess it's a town, not the 01:05:44.590 --> 01:05:47.199 cities prior to the town, reviewing that 01:05:48.079 --> 01:05:50.550 rezoning application, they required them to change the land 01:05:50.550 --> 01:05:51.840 use plan and go and go through 01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:54.489 that process. And so I think that's just something to 01:05:54.489 --> 01:05:56.800 consider as we as we're, you know, thinking 01:05:56.800 --> 01:06:00.619 about all of this, as well as as how the new DDC functions, 01:06:00.619 --> 01:06:02.639 but again, also looking at this, 01:06:02.639 --> 01:06:05.960 because once once we move forward with that DDC, this will 01:06:05.960 --> 01:06:07.920 be right on its right on its heels, 01:06:07.920 --> 01:06:10.929 looking at sort of updating that, particularly the map, but 01:06:10.929 --> 01:06:12.400 also even some of the policies. 01:06:13.519 --> 01:06:17.340 Commissioner Smith. Thank you, Chair. So Richard and Julie 01:06:17.340 --> 01:06:19.599 as well, whenever we get cases that are 01:06:19.599 --> 01:06:21.679 like that, that is a I mean, I can't remember any off top 01:06:21.679 --> 01:06:23.440 my head. So I know they don't come often. 01:06:23.440 --> 01:06:26.449 But I think there's one I can think of specifically that 01:06:26.449 --> 01:06:28.400 was a part of the razor plot that was that 01:06:28.400 --> 01:06:32.219 was that was right there off Oak and 35 E and it was rez 01:06:32.219 --> 01:06:35.119 oning to build student housing, to build 01:06:35.119 --> 01:06:38.260 multifamily. I could see that in 2012, there could be a 01:06:38.260 --> 01:06:40.000 citizen who's involved in that in the 01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:43.010 comprehensive planning for the 2030 plan to see, well, that 01:06:43.010 --> 01:06:44.480 's all farmland, it's going to be 01:06:44.480 --> 01:06:46.699 farmland, there's not really a whole lot of thought that 01:06:46.699 --> 01:06:48.639 needs to be worried about multifamily going 01:06:48.639 --> 01:06:52.269 there. But then we rezone it. And it's, I guess the last 01:06:52.269 --> 01:06:54.159 time I saw I think we think we did the 01:06:54.159 --> 01:06:57.289 final plot already on it, it's built out there. You know, 01:06:57.289 --> 01:06:59.360 the concerns that are brought up of hey, 01:06:59.360 --> 01:07:03.210 this was thought of, and then the 30 plan, this was a rural 01:07:03.210 --> 01:07:05.440 district, this is a rural area. 01:07:05.440 --> 01:07:09.280 And we're going from drastic change and shift of use. I 01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:12.880 know that's brought up to say, this is not 01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:15.530 consistent with the didn't 2030 plan, it goes through, we 01:07:15.530 --> 01:07:17.199 have our presentations, because I've 01:07:17.199 --> 01:07:20.050 sat through enough of those. But I'd almost like to 01:07:20.050 --> 01:07:22.639 encourage as a commissioner to you, Julie, 01:07:22.639 --> 01:07:26.849 the rest of the planning staff of really making that a very 01:07:26.849 --> 01:07:29.519 strong point of saying that, no, no, 01:07:29.519 --> 01:07:32.539 not only is this not consistent, this is really not 01:07:32.539 --> 01:07:35.519 consistent. So do realize what you as a planning 01:07:35.519 --> 01:07:38.739 and zoning commission are about to do is going against 01:07:38.739 --> 01:07:41.199 something that we voted on, you know, 01:07:41.199 --> 01:07:44.780 three years ago, really, an idea that we put forth, because 01:07:44.780 --> 01:07:46.159 we sometimes may say, well, 01:07:46.159 --> 01:07:48.659 this seems like a good development, a good thing. And 01:07:48.659 --> 01:07:50.559 really, it's kind of goes back to I think what 01:07:50.559 --> 01:07:53.179 Andrew was asking, which was, how do we make sure that we 01:07:53.179 --> 01:07:55.199 don't, we as a commission, don't don't 01:07:55.199 --> 01:07:58.829 push the city to growing too fast, because cities can grow 01:07:58.829 --> 01:08:01.280 too fast, i.e. Houston, it can happen that 01:08:01.280 --> 01:08:04.289 way. And, and I think I think getting that getting almost 01:08:04.289 --> 01:08:06.400 that that that warning light that red flag 01:08:06.400 --> 01:08:09.519 saying, it's not that it's an inconsistent, you know, some 01:08:09.519 --> 01:08:11.280 mixed use and now it's residential 01:08:11.280 --> 01:08:13.769 or whatever else we're resigning it to, it's really 01:08:13.769 --> 01:08:15.760 inconsistent, just to really make sure 01:08:15.760 --> 01:08:18.109 it's being stressed to us, we know it's a big decision we 01:08:18.109 --> 01:08:19.600 're about to make. I'll get off my 01:08:19.600 --> 01:08:23.229 soapbox now. Yeah, supernata. Thanks. I just have a 01:08:23.229 --> 01:08:25.439 question on this. So when we talk about comprehensive 01:08:25.439 --> 01:08:27.609 planning, and everything and looking at the things that 01:08:27.609 --> 01:08:29.119 have come through in the last, you know, a 01:08:29.119 --> 01:08:32.239 couple of years, we see about, you know, you know, for over 01:08:32.239 --> 01:08:36.399 14,000 units possibly available. Yet one 01:08:36.399 --> 01:08:39.060 of the things that's becoming crisis in Denton is 01:08:39.060 --> 01:08:42.880 affordable housing. You know, increasingly, we have 01:08:42.880 --> 01:08:47.090 less housing that's available to a broad cross section of 01:08:47.090 --> 01:08:50.000 people. What, what is the city, what 01:08:50.000 --> 01:08:53.060 is it, you know, what do you what is, I guess, the approach 01:08:53.060 --> 01:08:55.680 in ensuring that as we grow, we create 01:08:55.680 --> 01:08:59.500 an environment in which we have a varied community that can 01:08:59.500 --> 01:09:01.600 live here and contribute to this. 01:09:02.399 --> 01:09:06.970 Well, we have a chapter for that. In our, in our 01:09:06.970 --> 01:09:10.880 comprehensive plan, in element seven talks about 01:09:10.880 --> 01:09:17.189 our housing policy and and and the the mix of housing that 01:09:17.189 --> 01:09:20.880 we need and then to make sure that 01:09:20.880 --> 01:09:23.699 not only we have the right mix, but that it's maintained 01:09:23.699 --> 01:09:25.840 and that we, you know, that and that 01:09:25.840 --> 01:09:28.729 our neighborhoods have good that we're any new 01:09:28.729 --> 01:09:32.239 neighborhoods are, you know, good quality. So 01:09:32.239 --> 01:09:34.430 you may want to take a look at that. I don't know if 01:09:34.430 --> 01:09:37.279 Richard wants to add to that. You know, 01:09:37.279 --> 01:09:41.100 it's a big discussion in the DCRC as well. No, and I think 01:09:41.100 --> 01:09:42.720 it just goes back to that, 01:09:42.720 --> 01:09:45.819 just not looking at the map in one chapter, really pulling 01:09:45.819 --> 01:09:48.079 out. And as we start to analyze this and 01:09:48.079 --> 01:09:51.710 talk about the, you know, is it consistent with the plan? 01:09:51.710 --> 01:09:53.840 Really looking at at the entire plan 01:09:53.840 --> 01:09:56.850 and how how it's either consistent or inconsistent, because 01:09:56.850 --> 01:09:58.479 there are there are a lot of other elements, 01:09:59.039 --> 01:10:03.439 particularly when we get into into utilities and level of 01:10:03.439 --> 01:10:06.880 service that that that starts to 01:10:06.880 --> 01:10:09.510 identify that and that's really what we what we should and 01:10:09.510 --> 01:10:11.279 how we should be using the plan, not 01:10:11.279 --> 01:10:14.810 just just one singular element, particularly particularly. 01:10:14.810 --> 01:10:16.800 It's different when there's a 01:10:16.800 --> 01:10:21.060 consistency. But when we have that that true inconsistency, 01:10:21.060 --> 01:10:22.880 I think that's where we really 01:10:22.880 --> 01:10:26.699 need to be a little bit more, you know, resourceful and 01:10:26.699 --> 01:10:30.880 staff and look at look at that whole that whole 01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:35.989 the whole plan, every element related to that. So I have a 01:10:35.989 --> 01:10:38.960 question that kind of piggybacks 01:10:38.960 --> 01:10:42.979 Commissioner Smith and Pernetta. We do a whole lot of 01:10:42.979 --> 01:10:46.239 zoning on the PNZ. We don't do a whole 01:10:46.239 --> 01:10:49.560 lot of planning, typically, just like the tasks that we're 01:10:49.560 --> 01:10:51.680 challenged with. It's more zoning than 01:10:51.680 --> 01:10:55.710 than planning. In the past, the two past comprehensive 01:10:55.710 --> 01:10:58.079 plans, there has been planning done. 01:10:59.039 --> 01:11:02.859 So I'm curious to know, in both iterations, it seems like 01:11:02.859 --> 01:11:05.199 the plan was or the forecast was to 01:11:05.199 --> 01:11:08.199 have growth to the southeast of town. Now it's in the 01:11:08.199 --> 01:11:12.159 northeast. Was there a disconnect in our 01:11:12.159 --> 01:11:15.010 our enforcement of the planning? Or is that a bad forecast? 01:11:15.010 --> 01:11:18.159 But it seems like if we planned in two 01:11:18.159 --> 01:11:22.760 comprehensive plans, that the growth would be southwest, 01:11:22.760 --> 01:11:25.199 don't we have some control over that 01:11:25.199 --> 01:11:29.250 to Commissioner Smith's point? Like what I don't want to 01:11:29.250 --> 01:11:32.159 ramble, but did we not encourage that? Or 01:11:32.159 --> 01:11:35.060 what happened to not know that where we planned growth to 01:11:35.060 --> 01:11:37.920 be, it's not happening? I think it's a 01:11:37.920 --> 01:11:40.930 I think it's a couple of things. I think part of it is, you 01:11:40.930 --> 01:11:42.880 know, a lot of the data that was used 01:11:42.880 --> 01:11:45.890 when and I'm not faulting it, it's just that point in time 01:11:45.890 --> 01:11:47.760 when we grab that data, and we came out of 01:11:47.760 --> 01:11:51.390 the recession. So the growth that we're having now, I don't 01:11:51.390 --> 01:11:53.279 think was ever anticipated back in 01:11:54.079 --> 01:11:58.479 2014. And so we had ropes and ranch and then there was a we 01:11:58.479 --> 01:12:01.439 had the one MPC I can't think of. 01:12:01.439 --> 01:12:05.260 Hunter? Is it Hunter Ranch? So we had some very large appro 01:12:05.260 --> 01:12:08.079 vals in that area. And so I think that's 01:12:08.079 --> 01:12:11.369 where it just kind of gravitated there, but also not not 01:12:11.369 --> 01:12:13.920 expecting the amount of growth that that 01:12:13.920 --> 01:12:17.449 that we're seeing. I mean, just a mere fact of 14, you know 01:12:17.449 --> 01:12:20.079 , the addition of 14,000 units just 01:12:20.079 --> 01:12:23.899 for rezoning, not saying they're going to be built over 01:12:23.899 --> 01:12:27.760 what was it? 2016? I mean, that is 01:12:29.680 --> 01:12:33.539 it's mind blowing, really. And just the amount of projects 01:12:33.539 --> 01:12:34.640 that we have ongoing, 01:12:35.279 --> 01:12:38.079 in addition to properties and annexing in. And so that's 01:12:38.079 --> 01:12:39.680 where it's kind of, hey, let's, 01:12:40.319 --> 01:12:42.409 let's make sure we're bringing as we bring this stuff 01:12:42.409 --> 01:12:44.720 forward. We're really, we're really analyzing 01:12:44.720 --> 01:12:48.079 this. Yeah. So I don't know if that answered the it 01:12:48.079 --> 01:12:49.840 certainly does. And I've brought it up before. 01:12:49.840 --> 01:12:53.470 And on other cases about how much do we look at the flume 01:12:53.470 --> 01:12:55.279 and stand by it. And it seems like 01:12:56.399 --> 01:13:00.560 conversations in the past couple years, it has been more of 01:13:00.560 --> 01:13:03.119 , I mean, it's pretty close to flume. 01:13:03.119 --> 01:13:07.149 But to Commissioner Smith's point, should it be hard and 01:13:07.149 --> 01:13:08.960 fast, like there was a vote, there was 01:13:08.960 --> 01:13:11.760 an approval, this is supposed to be low density, let's let 01:13:11.760 --> 01:13:14.239 's keep it rural or low density. And so 01:13:14.239 --> 01:13:18.350 that'd be my only thought throughout there. I got to piggy 01:13:18.350 --> 01:13:20.239 back off. Okay, Commissioner Smith. 01:13:22.880 --> 01:13:26.699 Just I didn't know if possibly there's a way for us to, as 01:13:26.699 --> 01:13:28.800 we are adding 14,000 dwellings, you know, 01:13:28.800 --> 01:13:33.210 14,000 units could sorry, could. And there was, we'll see, 01:13:33.210 --> 01:13:34.319 we'll go from there. 01:13:37.039 --> 01:13:40.960 Every two years building in some sort of parameter to just 01:13:40.960 --> 01:13:42.399 a benchmark, it doesn't seem like it's 01:13:42.399 --> 01:13:46.500 that hard to do just, but benchmarking, we project that by, 01:13:46.500 --> 01:13:48.800 I think it was, you know, 01:13:48.800 --> 01:13:51.579 they said project by 2030, we're gonna have, we're gonna be 01:13:51.579 --> 01:13:53.840 a population of 207,000 and change. 01:13:54.800 --> 01:13:57.329 But in the last two years, we've had four, we could add 01:13:57.329 --> 01:13:58.720 four, we've rezoned, 01:13:59.439 --> 01:14:04.479 Larry, don't punch me. We could add 14,000 new units, by 01:14:04.479 --> 01:14:06.800 the way, we rezoned it. Are we outpacing 01:14:06.800 --> 01:14:09.270 what their projection is? Because what I would hate to do 01:14:09.270 --> 01:14:10.880 as a planning and zoning commission, 01:14:10.880 --> 01:14:14.250 because we see it on such a microscopic level of does this 01:14:14.250 --> 01:14:16.399 make sense where it is now? Yeah, 01:14:16.399 --> 01:14:18.960 it's a little bit outside of the future land use map, but 01:14:18.960 --> 01:14:20.960 you know what? Seems like a good project. 01:14:20.960 --> 01:14:23.300 It's applicant seems like a nice guy. It's something we 01:14:23.300 --> 01:14:24.960 need. We need to get in there. Yeah, 01:14:24.960 --> 01:14:28.119 let's do it. But it's never, it's never the big things that 01:14:28.119 --> 01:14:31.119 kill you. It's the small hole in your 01:14:31.119 --> 01:14:34.260 boat that slowly drowns you and sinks you in your middle of 01:14:34.260 --> 01:14:36.640 the lake. And so I'd hate to be like, 01:14:36.640 --> 01:14:39.899 project by project, we start to outpace what our projected 01:14:39.899 --> 01:14:40.800 growth is. And then we 01:14:40.800 --> 01:14:44.619 have grown way too fast from what we projected or what we 01:14:44.619 --> 01:14:46.880 expected to. And we look back on it and 01:14:46.880 --> 01:14:50.510 we have a congested city and our utilities are, and it's 01:14:50.510 --> 01:14:53.039 not even the enjoyment of living, it's 01:14:53.680 --> 01:14:56.180 our utilities can't handle it. Our infrastructure hasn't 01:14:56.180 --> 01:14:58.000 caught up to it because our infrastructure 01:14:58.000 --> 01:15:00.850 and utilities are based off a 2030 plan. But the planning 01:15:00.850 --> 01:15:02.399 and zoning is in here looking at it and 01:15:02.399 --> 01:15:06.439 outpacing it by 30, 40%. That makes sense? It'd be nice to 01:15:06.439 --> 01:15:08.479 be able to get that benchmarking. So 01:15:08.479 --> 01:15:11.310 we know that we're not getting, and I'd hate to, once again 01:15:11.310 --> 01:15:13.039 , I have a soapbox, but I hate to get 01:15:13.039 --> 01:15:15.710 to the point where we're having to tell applicants, we're 01:15:15.710 --> 01:15:17.600 going to have to turn you down because we 01:15:17.600 --> 01:15:20.659 already approved somebody three weeks ago for something 01:15:20.659 --> 01:15:22.479 that could be really pushing us or 01:15:22.479 --> 01:15:24.939 pushing our dwellings. We should look at it on a case by 01:15:24.939 --> 01:15:26.880 case basis, but we as a planning and zoning 01:15:26.880 --> 01:15:30.699 commission need to be more abreast about this is, this 01:15:30.699 --> 01:15:33.520 could be pushing us faster growth than we need 01:15:33.520 --> 01:15:37.539 to go as a city because we're not truly able to settle into 01:15:37.539 --> 01:15:42.159 what we are. Sorry. Do you need a 01:15:42.159 --> 01:15:45.199 response or can we keep going? No, I don't need a response. 01:15:45.199 --> 01:15:49.199 I could, I could, Commissioner Sanchez. 01:15:49.920 --> 01:15:52.869 Commissioner Sanchez, you're up. I was just, I look at the 01:15:52.869 --> 01:15:55.840 comprehensive plan as a road map 01:15:55.840 --> 01:15:58.989 that doesn't necessarily have to be, you know, you're 01:15:58.989 --> 01:16:01.199 visiting every five years because you know 01:16:01.199 --> 01:16:04.350 there's things happening and things are changing and I don 01:16:04.350 --> 01:16:06.640 't see it as, you know, written in stone. 01:16:07.199 --> 01:16:10.829 You want to follow it as close as you can, but in the long 01:16:10.829 --> 01:16:12.720 term you have to be, that's why you go 01:16:12.720 --> 01:16:15.880 back to it every five years and maybe even every two years. 01:16:15.880 --> 01:16:18.079 I think at one time they said when we 01:16:18.079 --> 01:16:20.649 talked about the, you can't visit it as often as two years 01:16:20.649 --> 01:16:23.920 or something like that. It depends on 01:16:23.920 --> 01:16:26.930 the growth or what's happening in the city and I think that 01:16:26.930 --> 01:16:28.960 's the important thing is that it's, 01:16:28.960 --> 01:16:32.550 to me, it's a document that gives you direction but you don 01:16:32.550 --> 01:16:34.720 't hold it as a, you know, it's not 01:16:34.720 --> 01:16:37.939 written in stone. So based on what's going on in the city 01:16:37.939 --> 01:16:40.079 then you have to look at it and say okay 01:16:40.079 --> 01:16:43.119 this is, this is where the growth is going. This is where 01:16:43.119 --> 01:16:45.039 we have to look at it and not just say 01:16:45.039 --> 01:16:47.390 well this is where we should have grown and so we're going 01:16:47.390 --> 01:16:48.800 to force it this way because you're not, 01:16:48.800 --> 01:16:53.329 we're not going to force it. The developers and the people, 01:16:53.329 --> 01:16:55.760 the citizens are the ones that actually, 01:16:56.319 --> 01:16:59.609 you know, where they want to build is, so we have to take 01:16:59.609 --> 01:17:02.319 that into, if we become so rigid that this 01:17:02.319 --> 01:17:05.550 is what the comprehensive plan is and we don't adjust then 01:17:05.550 --> 01:17:08.079 we're going to find ourselves in a 01:17:08.079 --> 01:17:11.159 lot of trouble. I think we have to, it's something, it's a 01:17:11.159 --> 01:17:13.439 live document to me. It has to be looked at 01:17:13.439 --> 01:17:17.039 on a regular basis based on what's happening at that point 01:17:17.039 --> 01:17:19.199 and if you don't look at it constantly 01:17:20.000 --> 01:17:25.289 you're, you're up a creek. Just, I'm going to interject 01:17:25.289 --> 01:17:27.680 real fast so I know two commissioners 01:17:27.680 --> 01:17:30.390 are here. Commissioner Sanchez, I think at some point we as 01:17:30.390 --> 01:17:32.479 commission do need to force the issue. 01:17:32.479 --> 01:17:35.760 I understand it's a living document and, but at some point 01:17:35.760 --> 01:17:38.319 there were people before us that said 01:17:38.319 --> 01:17:40.270 this is the way we feel our city needs to go and we can't 01:17:40.270 --> 01:17:41.760 just override that and throw that out. We 01:17:41.760 --> 01:17:44.300 can't say yeah but a lot of developers wanting to build 01:17:44.300 --> 01:17:46.239 here so let's just go do that in stark 01:17:46.239 --> 01:17:48.649 contrast to what intelligent thoughtful people have put 01:17:48.649 --> 01:17:50.319 forth to begin with. So I think there 01:17:50.319 --> 01:17:53.949 is an ongoing conversation and it could be living but I 01:17:53.949 --> 01:17:57.520 think we're charged here to more often than 01:17:57.520 --> 01:18:02.029 not force what the city has has put forth as their plan. 01:18:02.029 --> 01:18:05.520 And I agree but the thing is that decision 01:18:05.520 --> 01:18:08.689 was made five, ten years ago. Things have changed and we 01:18:08.689 --> 01:18:10.880 have to be realized that things change 01:18:11.439 --> 01:18:13.890 and, and that's why I think it's a living document. You 01:18:13.890 --> 01:18:16.000 have to be looking at it constantly 01:18:16.000 --> 01:18:19.079 because decisions that were made just like they made fight 01:18:19.079 --> 01:18:20.880 made that decision that all the growth 01:18:20.880 --> 01:18:23.220 is going to be on the south side and all of a sudden you 01:18:23.220 --> 01:18:24.319 have it on the north side. 01:18:25.119 --> 01:18:28.949 People had no clue what was going on so I mean they had a 01:18:28.949 --> 01:18:31.439 clue but it wasn't it wasn't what they 01:18:31.439 --> 01:18:34.449 thought it was going to happen. So now you have to readjust 01:18:34.449 --> 01:18:36.479 and say this is what's happening out there 01:18:36.479 --> 01:18:39.560 it's growing outside there's a lot of growth outside the 01:18:39.560 --> 01:18:41.680 loop something that wasn't probably 01:18:45.199 --> 01:18:47.979 thought of and now we have to readjust and that's what 01:18:47.979 --> 01:18:51.279 happens is as a city grows yes we you have 01:18:51.279 --> 01:18:54.170 certain things going on but at the same it's but at the 01:18:54.170 --> 01:18:56.079 same you have to adjust and I think 01:18:56.079 --> 01:18:59.359 I think you can't be I guess and the reason I say I'm in 01:18:59.359 --> 01:19:02.159 the middle of building some apartments 01:19:02.159 --> 01:19:04.920 and I've had to make some changes hey these were my plans 01:19:04.920 --> 01:19:07.119 when I started but then all of a sudden 01:19:07.119 --> 01:19:09.539 we get here and we say okay I got to make these adjustments 01:19:09.539 --> 01:19:11.199 these adjustments these adjustments 01:19:11.840 --> 01:19:14.899 or it's not going to work and I think one tool that the 01:19:14.899 --> 01:19:18.479 city has used we don't use it often but 01:19:18.479 --> 01:19:22.880 it is but it can be helpful is is things like small area 01:19:22.880 --> 01:19:25.279 plans as as an appendix to the 01:19:25.279 --> 01:19:29.100 comprehensive plans to allow you to look more deeply at 01:19:29.100 --> 01:19:32.720 specific areas to determine determine 01:19:32.720 --> 01:19:36.829 you know what the vision you know a smaller vision for a 01:19:36.829 --> 01:19:39.359 very localized area to take in the 01:19:39.359 --> 01:19:44.159 benchmarking and and and and and the the surrounding 01:19:44.159 --> 01:19:47.439 property owners and and and the community leaders 01:19:47.439 --> 01:19:50.449 and how that's going to move in that direction so I think I 01:19:50.449 --> 01:19:52.399 think we could use all of these tools 01:19:52.399 --> 01:19:55.579 to help us make really good decisions within the city I'm 01:19:55.579 --> 01:19:57.920 just going to point out also that our 01:19:57.920 --> 01:20:02.319 code already has a procedure for making amendments to the 01:20:02.319 --> 01:20:04.640 comprehensive plan if needed 01:20:05.600 --> 01:20:09.420 it kind of contains an internal governor to keep it from 01:20:09.420 --> 01:20:13.920 being abused I contemplates that that 01:20:14.479 --> 01:20:17.479 you know like say if a property owner initiates a plan 01:20:17.479 --> 01:20:20.239 amendment that it would be submitted 90 01:20:20.239 --> 01:20:23.869 days prior to the first meeting of pnz in January April 01:20:23.869 --> 01:20:28.880 July or October and so I think kind of the 01:20:28.880 --> 01:20:31.789 intent of that is to keep it from being an ad hoc gee this 01:20:31.789 --> 01:20:34.239 is inconsistent with the future land use 01:20:34.239 --> 01:20:37.250 map let's let's quick amend it and run that simultaneously 01:20:37.250 --> 01:20:38.479 with a zoning amendment 01:20:39.359 --> 01:20:42.550 I I think that the intent here is to try to give some 01:20:42.550 --> 01:20:45.920 legitimacy because I think uh Commissioner 01:20:45.920 --> 01:20:49.140 Sanchez is absolutely right you know if if five years is an 01:20:49.140 --> 01:20:51.279 average if you're a fast growing city 01:20:51.279 --> 01:20:54.470 it might be more often than five years if you're a slow 01:20:54.470 --> 01:20:56.960 growing landlocked city then it may be 01:20:58.000 --> 01:21:03.430 that that could drag out even further but uh you know as an 01:21:03.430 --> 01:21:06.079 interim measure there is an 01:21:06.079 --> 01:21:09.380 there is an option to do that and we have done that before 01:21:09.380 --> 01:21:12.319 where necessary and I know that 01:21:12.319 --> 01:21:16.239 somebody mentioned uh master plan communities before I know 01:21:16.239 --> 01:21:18.000 that at least in a previous 01:21:18.000 --> 01:21:21.069 comprehensive plan we inserted a provision in there that 01:21:21.069 --> 01:21:23.760 said that because a master plan really 01:21:23.760 --> 01:21:28.029 is master planned it's like a mini comprehensive plan in 01:21:28.029 --> 01:21:32.319 and of itself and in in providing a variety 01:21:32.319 --> 01:21:37.489 of different uses that uh that that we will allow for that 01:21:37.489 --> 01:21:40.960 as as as part of our comprehensive plan 01:21:42.000 --> 01:21:45.819 uh great points jerry per now you've been waiting kusher um 01:21:45.819 --> 01:21:48.560 yeah so uh kind of uh along the lines of 01:21:49.279 --> 01:21:51.779 kind of combining both of what you guys said you know the 01:21:51.779 --> 01:21:53.600 point was raised at the uh you know 01:21:53.600 --> 01:21:56.689 the last plan saw greater you know uh growth out heading 01:21:56.689 --> 01:21:58.720 towards ropes and ranch and why didn't 01:21:58.720 --> 01:22:02.079 that happen and the first thing in my mind was uh because 01:22:02.079 --> 01:22:04.720 of 35 and the way it um basically clogs 01:22:04.720 --> 01:22:07.729 if you ever want to go to Dallas from there I wouldn't want 01:22:07.729 --> 01:22:09.199 to live that far out um I I know 01:22:09.199 --> 01:22:12.100 that we have some expansion on 35 uh you know which may 01:22:12.100 --> 01:22:14.079 provide a little bit of relief before 01:22:14.079 --> 01:22:17.579 bucky's gets here um but when it comes to the growth that 01:22:17.579 --> 01:22:20.560 we're going to see 200 000 people and 01:22:20.560 --> 01:22:24.800 everything and and I still see just 35 35 and everything um 01:22:24.800 --> 01:22:27.600 how much of this plan uh accommodates 01:22:27.600 --> 01:22:31.029 for you know high flow arteries to kind of help people get 01:22:31.029 --> 01:22:33.119 in and out and and make dent in a place 01:22:33.119 --> 01:22:37.520 that you know people don't get stuck in well in a mobility 01:22:37.520 --> 01:22:41.119 element it talks about um multimodal 01:22:41.119 --> 01:22:43.729 transportation so probably not going to out you're never 01:22:43.729 --> 01:22:45.520 going to build enough roads to not have 01:22:45.520 --> 01:22:48.340 traffic jams so what you have to do is ensure that there's 01:22:48.340 --> 01:22:50.479 multimodal and that and that there's a 01:22:50.479 --> 01:22:55.319 mix of uses and so you look at land use um in addition to 01:22:55.319 --> 01:22:58.479 roads land use can drive um can drive 01:22:58.479 --> 01:23:01.489 trips vehicle trips so you so part of the plan and part of 01:23:01.489 --> 01:23:03.680 our comprehensive development code is 01:23:03.680 --> 01:23:06.960 looking at a mix of uses and and um and the community said 01:23:06.960 --> 01:23:08.960 they wanted to live near jobs and 01:23:08.960 --> 01:23:13.760 have have um have more compact growth so but yes the growth 01:23:13.760 --> 01:23:16.560 is coming and then what road where are 01:23:16.560 --> 01:23:18.670 those roads and where are they where are they going to go 01:23:18.670 --> 01:23:20.479 and how are they going to move people around 01:23:21.199 --> 01:23:25.279 our comprehensive plan doesn't is not a full thoroughfare 01:23:25.279 --> 01:23:27.600 plan um I know our engineering 01:23:27.600 --> 01:23:30.159 department and I think we're going to have them come talk 01:23:30.159 --> 01:23:32.319 to you guys soon about the planning 01:23:32.319 --> 01:23:35.479 they're doing and in fact um they're and Richard may want 01:23:35.479 --> 01:23:37.520 to chime in here they're actually looking 01:23:37.520 --> 01:23:40.850 at some studies for very specific areas within the city 01:23:40.850 --> 01:23:43.760 particularly on the northeast and then also 01:23:43.760 --> 01:23:46.939 in I believe the Ryan road area because of so many 01:23:46.939 --> 01:23:49.840 developments coming in how are they going to move 01:23:49.840 --> 01:23:53.470 people through so they're they're they're trying to get 01:23:53.470 --> 01:23:55.600 ahead of that um it's it's not really 01:23:55.600 --> 01:23:59.909 addressed fully in this but with those smaller plans and 01:23:59.909 --> 01:24:03.359 the more local plans hopefully um we 01:24:03.359 --> 01:24:07.810 can address some of those mobility issues. Commissioner 01:24:07.810 --> 01:24:10.239 Smith. Thank you chair and to 01:24:10.239 --> 01:24:13.250 you know to commissioner Sanchez's point plans change you 01:24:13.250 --> 01:24:16.079 know you don't uh I'm I'm in the 01:24:16.079 --> 01:24:18.590 business world so you know any any business which should 01:24:18.590 --> 01:24:20.640 have a five-year vision a five-year plan 01:24:20.640 --> 01:24:23.060 put ahead of them if not longer but publicly traded 01:24:23.060 --> 01:24:24.960 companies get bought up in mergers and 01:24:24.960 --> 01:24:27.600 acquisitions all the time no one ever plans for those 01:24:27.600 --> 01:24:29.760 things and so you're right big things happen 01:24:29.760 --> 01:24:32.100 we can't predict that two years from now there might be 01:24:32.100 --> 01:24:33.760 another economic recession and if that 01:24:33.760 --> 01:24:36.890 happens our 2030 plan can be easily thrown out the window 01:24:36.890 --> 01:24:39.119 because every developer who went through and 01:24:39.119 --> 01:24:42.170 rezoned for those 14,000 units could say well I just went 01:24:42.170 --> 01:24:43.840 bankrupt or I'm not building right now 01:24:43.840 --> 01:24:46.909 because it doesn't economically make sense for me so you're 01:24:46.909 --> 01:24:49.119 right the plan has to be nimble it has 01:24:49.119 --> 01:24:51.829 to be living because it has to pivot but at the same time 01:24:51.829 --> 01:24:53.600 there are a lot of big projects in the 01:24:53.600 --> 01:24:55.770 city they get started and I'm not talking just to you 01:24:55.770 --> 01:24:58.800 commissioner Sanchez but the the the city 01:24:58.800 --> 01:25:01.239 seems like from what we've seen in planning and zoning is 01:25:01.239 --> 01:25:02.880 that the city comes in and says you know 01:25:02.880 --> 01:25:06.810 we're we're basing a lot of our 20 you know our our ideas 01:25:06.810 --> 01:25:09.520 for uh development of infrastructure 01:25:09.520 --> 01:25:12.810 development of utilities where we're diverting our tax our 01:25:12.810 --> 01:25:14.720 taxpayers money to be able to grow 01:25:14.720 --> 01:25:18.020 is based off the 2030 plan and so it's it's scary because 01:25:18.020 --> 01:25:20.640 there's these big long-term projects that 01:25:20.640 --> 01:25:25.439 are dependent upon this document that should be living but 01:25:25.439 --> 01:25:28.000 this is based off a static one point 01:25:28.000 --> 01:25:32.039 in time idea plan and so it's like if we don't if we almost 01:25:32.039 --> 01:25:34.640 don't allow for both the long-term 01:25:34.640 --> 01:25:37.750 projects and the plan itself to both be nimble enough to be 01:25:37.750 --> 01:25:39.520 moved we could get to the end where 01:25:39.520 --> 01:25:42.119 it's like well we were able to move around as a commission 01:25:42.119 --> 01:25:43.840 we were able to move around as a city 01:25:43.840 --> 01:25:46.939 council but the long-term plans and the funding and the 01:25:46.939 --> 01:25:49.359 money where that was all directed whenever 01:25:49.359 --> 01:25:52.989 was and and it could be a little bit scary of a deal but I 01:25:52.989 --> 01:25:56.079 just really wish you could push and 01:25:56.079 --> 01:26:00.109 encourage you know after the after the ddc update gets done 01:26:00.109 --> 01:26:02.479 that seeing a comprehensive plan in the 01:26:02.479 --> 01:26:05.260 future that has some sort of benchmarking provision in 01:26:05.260 --> 01:26:07.439 there I know jerry just mentioned that we can 01:26:07.439 --> 01:26:10.779 make edits to it within the code but some sort of you know 01:26:10.779 --> 01:26:12.880 some macro data some things like 01:26:12.880 --> 01:26:16.060 population growth dwelling growth city size some of these 01:26:16.060 --> 01:26:18.079 things that we can have as macro data 01:26:18.079 --> 01:26:20.989 and having two-year benchmarking that that not necessarily 01:26:20.989 --> 01:26:22.960 we're updating the comprehensive plan 01:26:22.960 --> 01:26:26.550 but planning and zoning and all the important commissions 01:26:26.550 --> 01:26:28.399 are being updated to say we're out 01:26:28.399 --> 01:26:31.060 pacing in these areas we're under pacing in these areas and 01:26:31.060 --> 01:26:32.960 so just because we don't want to get 10 01:26:32.960 --> 01:26:35.300 years down the road and be looking at so we never did 01:26:35.300 --> 01:26:37.600 development in that area why well the 2030 01:26:37.600 --> 01:26:40.000 plan said that we were going to be developing in the 01:26:40.000 --> 01:26:42.239 southwest but really you're the planning and 01:26:42.239 --> 01:26:45.500 zoning you guys developed it all in the northeast because 01:26:45.500 --> 01:26:47.840 plans came forward people had money and 01:26:47.840 --> 01:26:50.840 it's been it you know we we sort of deviated away from the 01:26:50.840 --> 01:26:53.439 future land use map it's like well I 01:26:53.439 --> 01:26:56.810 wish we would have known who wouldn't have done that so one 01:26:56.810 --> 01:27:00.159 thing I just wanted to add sort of the 01:27:00.159 --> 01:27:03.800 kind of a a preview what I've had Karen start to do is 01:27:03.800 --> 01:27:06.560 start to try to assemble these numbers of 01:27:06.560 --> 01:27:10.199 what exactly what are we doing and how do we look at this 01:27:10.199 --> 01:27:12.399 comprehensively and so what we've talked 01:27:12.399 --> 01:27:15.500 about is is putting out what I was calling it dentin by the 01:27:15.500 --> 01:27:17.439 numbers so almost exactly what what 01:27:17.439 --> 01:27:20.590 you're what you're speaking about is how many how many re 01:27:20.590 --> 01:27:22.800 zonings have have we've approved during 01:27:22.800 --> 01:27:25.510 this period of time of the projects that were approved what 01:27:25.510 --> 01:27:27.840 's been built sort of what's what's 01:27:27.840 --> 01:27:30.569 kind of the state of the city in in in that regard and so 01:27:30.569 --> 01:27:32.880 maybe that's something that then we can 01:27:32.880 --> 01:27:36.520 just bring here also quarterly discuss but then put in as 01:27:36.520 --> 01:27:38.640 part of a work program is you know maybe 01:27:38.640 --> 01:27:41.000 it's just an annual you know maybe we start off at annual 01:27:41.000 --> 01:27:42.800 or even six months of hey let's take a look 01:27:42.800 --> 01:27:45.229 at here's the trends that we've seen and at least the 01:27:45.229 --> 01:27:47.119 projects that where things are moving 01:27:47.439 --> 01:27:49.529 let's take a look let's do our annual review of the comp 01:27:49.529 --> 01:27:51.119 plan and what and what what makes sense 01:27:51.119 --> 01:27:54.439 at least from from a future future land use map perspective 01:27:54.439 --> 01:27:56.640 yeah no no no marathon runner ever runs 01:27:56.640 --> 01:28:00.670 the race and doesn't know what their average mile time is 01:28:00.670 --> 01:28:03.039 that makes sense you know if we're 01:28:03.039 --> 01:28:05.659 saying i want to run i want 26 mile marathon i want to do 01:28:05.659 --> 01:28:07.119 it in two and a half hours which i don't 01:28:07.119 --> 01:28:11.279 think i'd make it 2.6 miles in 26 in two hours but whatever 01:28:11.279 --> 01:28:13.920 so you want to run this 26 mile race but 01:28:13.920 --> 01:28:16.800 you know what every single mile your time should be that's 01:28:16.800 --> 01:28:18.800 really important benchmarking and so 01:28:18.800 --> 01:28:21.439 even coming back saying didn't buy the numbers based off 01:28:21.439 --> 01:28:23.680 the 2030 plan we should be trending 01:28:23.680 --> 01:28:27.149 in these ways this year our trend was above or below or out 01:28:27.149 --> 01:28:29.760 of whack in these areas just so we 01:28:29.760 --> 01:28:32.300 get a pulse because otherwise we're just taking on a case- 01:28:32.300 --> 01:28:34.079 by-case basis and that's that can be 01:28:34.960 --> 01:28:37.569 it gives it lets us be nimble but also could be really 01:28:37.569 --> 01:28:41.520 dangerous so commissioner cole yeah some 01:28:41.520 --> 01:28:46.119 of this you know like 2006 southwest didn't was supposed to 01:28:46.119 --> 01:28:48.479 be developed but guess what happened 01:28:48.479 --> 01:28:52.300 the recession so all these moving parts that's why i like 01:28:52.300 --> 01:28:54.880 the living breathing part of this is 01:28:54.880 --> 01:28:58.229 because you don't know when the next one's going to be you 01:28:58.229 --> 01:29:00.640 know so what restricts west of 35 01:29:00.640 --> 01:29:03.819 development where it all happened northeast well there's no 01:29:03.819 --> 01:29:05.920 services infrastructure west of 35 01:29:05.920 --> 01:29:10.149 there's no sewer robson ranch has their own sewer system 01:29:10.149 --> 01:29:12.720 you know there's there's no sewer 01:29:12.720 --> 01:29:15.729 so there's not going to be any growth so where did it all 01:29:15.729 --> 01:29:17.439 have to go i had to go northeast 01:29:18.159 --> 01:29:22.739 because also all the developers out southwest got locked 01:29:22.739 --> 01:29:25.439 out in the recession i guess except 01:29:25.439 --> 01:29:29.689 he would you know but i'm sure you know we don't know when 01:29:29.689 --> 01:29:32.479 they're going to be ready to go but i'm 01:29:32.479 --> 01:29:38.270 sure that's that's not far i'm sure hunter ranch you know 01:29:38.270 --> 01:29:43.039 first phase is not that far away but what 01:29:43.039 --> 01:29:46.670 happens in two years if the we have another recession you 01:29:46.670 --> 01:29:49.680 know i mean that's because if 2006 01:29:49.680 --> 01:29:54.689 seven eight hadn't happened southwest didn't probably be 01:29:54.689 --> 01:29:58.479 right now developed somewhat you know 01:29:58.479 --> 01:30:02.300 but there's all these unforeseen circumstances that happen 01:30:02.300 --> 01:30:04.319 and conditions you know like i said 01:30:04.319 --> 01:30:07.630 there's you know there's just the infrastructure doesn't 01:30:07.630 --> 01:30:10.880 exist out there so but it does up to the 01:30:10.880 --> 01:30:15.680 east but you know i do like revisiting it ever so often 01:30:15.680 --> 01:30:19.119 because you don't know what's coming around 01:30:19.119 --> 01:30:22.149 the corner you know because two years can be another 01:30:22.149 --> 01:30:24.960 recession we don't know that you know 01:30:24.960 --> 01:30:28.880 and that's going to scramble everything 01:30:30.560 --> 01:30:33.140 julie i don't know if your presentation was done but we 01:30:33.140 --> 01:30:36.000 went you were good awesome i have one more 01:30:37.039 --> 01:30:40.680 all right i don't have any cool further reading or blogs or 01:30:40.680 --> 01:30:43.279 podcasts for you but my homework is 01:30:43.279 --> 01:30:46.359 to read your debt and plan 2030 um you'll have some great 01:30:46.359 --> 01:30:48.239 questions particular questions about 01:30:48.239 --> 01:30:51.880 mobility and affordable housing if you'll have any other 01:30:51.880 --> 01:30:54.159 questions um boot camp topics that you 01:30:54.159 --> 01:30:57.979 want to go over in detail let us know and i'll i'm just i'm 01:30:57.979 --> 01:31:00.640 just throwing them in there so um feel 01:31:00.640 --> 01:31:02.520 free and then i could come back with a more robust 01:31:02.520 --> 01:31:04.239 presentation regarding those questions 01:31:05.600 --> 01:31:09.420 julie thank you so much presentation was awesome and thanks 01:31:09.420 --> 01:31:11.760 for city staff getting us in time to 01:31:11.760 --> 01:31:14.250 let us talk and breathe and not feel rushed so uh i 01:31:14.250 --> 01:31:16.720 appreciate everyone being here early and 01:31:16.720 --> 01:31:20.970 letting us do that tonight uh the last thing we have is the 01:31:20.970 --> 01:31:23.279 october 24th uh planning zoning 01:31:23.279 --> 01:31:25.989 commission is going to be a full schedule it looks like 01:31:25.989 --> 01:31:28.000 with uh potentially a lot on the agenda 01:31:28.560 --> 01:31:32.189 and for those who don't know the planning zoning commission 01:31:32.189 --> 01:31:34.399 uh members also serve on the capital 01:31:34.399 --> 01:31:38.220 improvements advisory committee that meets twice a year and 01:31:38.220 --> 01:31:40.159 we need to have a meeting so we need 01:31:40.159 --> 01:31:43.270 to talk about start time for the work session because we 01:31:43.270 --> 01:31:45.439 also have ps wanting to give a traffic 01:31:45.439 --> 01:31:49.479 transportation update so richard right now correctly wrong 01:31:49.479 --> 01:31:52.319 we're going to try to start at 4 30 but we're 01:31:52.319 --> 01:31:56.140 needing to see if four clocks possible for the ciac meeting 01:31:56.140 --> 01:31:58.800 correct and then also we have we have 01:31:58.800 --> 01:32:03.770 i think right now um 11 applications uh that would be under 01:32:03.770 --> 01:32:07.359 review um some of those are on on consent 01:32:07.359 --> 01:32:10.189 um but there is there is some there are some heavy lifting 01:32:10.189 --> 01:32:12.319 items uh with respect to some uh some of 01:32:12.319 --> 01:32:15.949 the rezoning's that are that are coming forward and sups on 01:32:15.949 --> 01:32:20.319 that on that agenda and so could start at 01:32:20.319 --> 01:32:23.489 three um but given that we we have to have that capital 01:32:23.489 --> 01:32:26.239 improvements advisory committee meeting 01:32:26.239 --> 01:32:29.869 does it make sense to move the discussion on traffic to the 01:32:29.869 --> 01:32:31.520 note to the first meeting in 01:32:31.520 --> 01:32:34.079 november so that that gives a little bit more time 01:32:37.680 --> 01:32:39.090 because i know we've been talking about it and i've i just 01:32:39.090 --> 01:32:41.520 didn't want to not have it on there and 01:32:41.520 --> 01:32:44.079 then you guys you know i just wanted to bring it bring it 01:32:44.079 --> 01:32:47.760 to everyone's attention yeah kishorel's 01:32:47.760 --> 01:32:50.840 thank you chair yeah i i'd be for moving it because we've 01:32:50.840 --> 01:32:52.880 waited a long time for that discussion 01:32:53.520 --> 01:32:56.560 it's going to end up being seven minutes long if that with 01:32:56.560 --> 01:32:58.560 an agenda like like what we have ahead 01:32:58.560 --> 01:33:01.630 of us so i think to be a worthy true work session 01:33:01.630 --> 01:33:05.600 discussion i think we need to move it so for for 01:33:05.600 --> 01:33:08.890 just helping get this done by a show of hands can everyone 01:33:08.890 --> 01:33:11.039 raise their hand if they're okay with 01:33:11.039 --> 01:33:15.079 pushing the transportation meeting from 1024 on the nove 01:33:15.079 --> 01:33:17.279 mber schedule is everyone okay with that 01:33:18.560 --> 01:33:22.189 pushing transportation update that was on the 24th to the 01:33:22.189 --> 01:33:24.800 first meeting in november if you're 01:33:24.800 --> 01:33:27.890 okay with that if you could raise your hand if not in nove 01:33:27.890 --> 01:33:29.760 mber first meeting in november 01:33:32.239 --> 01:33:35.880 14th i'm good with 14 so are we okay so we'll push 01:33:35.880 --> 01:33:40.720 transportation to the next meeting and then 01:33:40.720 --> 01:33:44.539 with the ciac is it possible for p and z to start our 01:33:44.539 --> 01:33:47.600 meeting at four o'clock on the 24th 01:33:50.479 --> 01:33:54.300 so i'm getting nods four o'clock is doable fine with me 01:33:54.300 --> 01:33:56.640 would buy me too so if we can do it for 01:33:56.640 --> 01:34:02.000 perfect uh does that work on that item yep perfect uh so 01:34:02.000 --> 01:34:02.880 with that we will close the 01:34:02.880 --> 01:34:17.920 work session at 6 14 we'll meet in council chambers at 6 30 01:34:22.319 --> 01:34:23.689 good evening and welcome to the planning zoning commission 01:34:23.689 --> 01:34:28.000 for october 10th 2018 we will start 01:34:28.000 --> 01:34:31.630 the meeting at 6 36 first order of business is to stand and 01:34:31.630 --> 01:34:33.760 give a pledge of allegiance to the u.s. 01:34:33.760 --> 01:34:36.399 and texas flag 01:34:44.720 --> 01:34:50.399 one nation 01:34:55.520 --> 01:34:59.840 texas one state 01:35:06.800 --> 01:35:07.720 the next item on the agenda will be consider approval of 01:35:07.720 --> 01:35:10.560 the planning and zoning minutes i 01:35:10.560 --> 01:35:13.819 open the floor to discussion or motion commissioner prun 01:35:13.819 --> 01:35:14.159 etta 01:35:16.960 --> 01:35:20.079 i'd like to request an adjustment to the meeting minutes on 01:35:20.079 --> 01:35:23.119 uh page six with regard to item five b 01:35:23.920 --> 01:35:27.199 my vote was actually an i and it's listed as a recused 01:35:31.359 --> 01:35:34.550 thank you for the notation is there any discussion or 01:35:34.550 --> 01:35:35.520 motion 01:35:38.880 --> 01:35:41.449 commissioner smith motion approved with uh commissioner pr 01:35:41.449 --> 01:35:44.319 unettas uh edits thank you 01:35:44.319 --> 01:35:47.329 commissioner beck second we have a first and a second any 01:35:47.329 --> 01:35:50.640 other discussion we'll call for a 01:35:50.640 --> 01:35:55.039 vote on the board 01:36:02.159 --> 01:36:04.350 motion passes seven zero that'll move us directly into our 01:36:04.350 --> 01:36:08.000 public hearings as a point of order 01:36:08.800 --> 01:36:16.560 item 3a s 18-008 b has been postponed the staff is working 01:36:16.560 --> 01:36:18.000 through some issues that have come up 01:36:18.000 --> 01:36:22.039 and so that will be reposted and brought before the p and z 01:36:22.039 --> 01:36:23.600 at a date in the future 01:36:24.880 --> 01:36:32.159 continuing on we'll move to item 3b item is z 18-0014 01:36:33.119 --> 01:36:35.250 we can call upon julie for presentation i'll open the 01:36:35.250 --> 01:36:36.239 public hearing 01:36:42.000 --> 01:36:43.079 good evening i'm julie wyatt senior planner with the city 01:36:43.079 --> 01:36:46.800 of denton and i'm presenting z 18-14 01:36:46.800 --> 01:36:50.619 commercial rezoning the request before you is to hold a 01:36:50.619 --> 01:36:52.479 public hearing and consider a 01:36:52.479 --> 01:36:57.449 recommendation regarding a rezoning from pd 115 district to 01:36:57.449 --> 01:36:59.600 rcc district on approximately nine 01:36:59.600 --> 01:37:02.689 acres the subject property is located on the north side of 01:37:02.689 --> 01:37:06.000 the city in the general area of 01:37:06.000 --> 01:37:15.210 loop 288 highway 77 and bonnie bray more specifically the 01:37:15.210 --> 01:37:17.439 request is to um well more 01:37:17.439 --> 01:37:20.760 specifically regarding the pd i guess i should say is is 01:37:20.760 --> 01:37:23.199 that it was uh the detail plan for the pd 01:37:23.199 --> 01:37:27.489 was approved in 2004 and that included a 10 000 square foot 01:37:27.489 --> 01:37:29.680 church along with the accessory school 01:37:29.680 --> 01:37:33.260 or daycare uses the applicant that it was never developed 01:37:33.260 --> 01:37:35.600 so the applicant would like to rezone 01:37:35.600 --> 01:37:39.229 the property in order to develop the site with a uh a mixed 01:37:39.229 --> 01:37:41.600 use development a question came up at 01:37:41.600 --> 01:37:45.850 work session is you know how did this small area of pd how 01:37:45.850 --> 01:37:48.479 is it still here i did a little a little 01:37:48.479 --> 01:37:52.300 looking around and this actually is is a part of the pd to 01:37:52.300 --> 01:37:54.720 the south so it was the northern most 01:37:54.720 --> 01:37:59.140 part of tracked of this pd and pd 115 then goes further to 01:37:59.140 --> 01:38:04.239 the south so as you can see here if if 01:38:04.239 --> 01:38:07.250 the rezoning was it would was approved then the map would 01:38:07.250 --> 01:38:08.880 be modified to look like this 01:38:10.000 --> 01:38:11.949 so our criteria for approval are in sub chapter three of 01:38:11.949 --> 01:38:14.000 the denton development code first does 01:38:14.000 --> 01:38:17.640 it comply with the future land use plan and then is their 01:38:17.640 --> 01:38:19.920 adequate provision of water sewer 01:38:19.920 --> 01:38:23.770 transportation and other public infrastructure so first we 01:38:23.770 --> 01:38:26.399 'll look at the denton plan 2030 01:38:26.399 --> 01:38:30.220 the subject property is located in the business innovation 01:38:30.220 --> 01:38:32.560 designation of the future land use map 01:38:32.560 --> 01:38:36.189 the intent is to provide for large employment centers and 01:38:36.189 --> 01:38:38.640 also supporting uses such as retail 01:38:38.640 --> 01:38:41.880 restaurant hotel and then higher density residential the 01:38:41.880 --> 01:38:45.600 the future land use is is intended to provide 01:38:45.600 --> 01:38:49.229 broad policy goals so that several zoning districts could 01:38:49.229 --> 01:38:52.960 fit within those and meet those goals rcc 01:38:52.960 --> 01:38:56.250 district in this instance and this location does beat it 01:38:56.250 --> 01:38:58.880 particularly because it's close to areas 01:38:58.880 --> 01:39:01.500 that will eventually develop with more lower density 01:39:01.500 --> 01:39:03.439 residential here to the south there's 01:39:03.439 --> 01:39:07.069 also some institutional uses around so it makes sense to 01:39:07.069 --> 01:39:09.279 have those supporting uses like 01:39:09.279 --> 01:39:12.159 retail and commercial uses less of those industrial type 01:39:12.159 --> 01:39:14.239 uses that you might typically see 01:39:14.239 --> 01:39:16.880 in a business innovation zone uh future land use 01:39:16.880 --> 01:39:20.079 designation so rccd does meet the intent of it 01:39:20.720 --> 01:39:23.750 also in addition that the access to the site the loop 288 01:39:23.750 --> 01:39:25.359 as well as highway 77 01:39:25.359 --> 01:39:28.310 provides the access and visibility necessary for retail 01:39:28.310 --> 01:39:31.920 development the concept plan in front of 01:39:31.920 --> 01:39:34.789 you was provided by the applicant as part of a trip 01:39:34.789 --> 01:39:38.399 generation analysis the the request tonight 01:39:38.399 --> 01:39:41.529 is not an approval of this concept plan to really approve 01:39:41.529 --> 01:39:43.760 or a recommendation for approval of the 01:39:43.760 --> 01:39:46.949 zoning district and the uses and development scale 01:39:46.949 --> 01:39:49.840 associated with it this concept plan really is 01:39:49.840 --> 01:39:54.069 a more of a discussion item to talk about trip generation 01:39:54.069 --> 01:39:57.039 so the subject property they looked 01:39:57.039 --> 01:40:00.670 at that as well as the adjacent property so an entire 32 01:40:00.670 --> 01:40:02.800 acre that entire corner there at loop 01:40:02.800 --> 01:40:07.479 288 and highway 77 and they developed some land use 01:40:07.479 --> 01:40:10.880 assumptions in which to base the trips on 01:40:10.880 --> 01:40:13.890 and that would include that included 400 multi-family dwell 01:40:13.890 --> 01:40:15.359 ings as well as 122 000 01:40:15.359 --> 01:40:19.380 square feet of retail the it trip generation manual 01:40:19.380 --> 01:40:22.319 indicated that that would generate about 01:40:22.319 --> 01:40:27.770 9800 trips 391 being in the am peak and then 833 in the 01:40:27.770 --> 01:40:30.399 evening peak which is a lot of trips 01:40:31.119 --> 01:40:35.039 in addition to future development in the area there's 01:40:35.039 --> 01:40:38.319 significant proposed and also in 01:40:38.319 --> 01:40:41.409 construction development in this general area just to look 01:40:41.409 --> 01:40:43.600 at those briefly first of all you may be 01:40:43.600 --> 01:40:46.699 aware that the the new dent in high school is proposed to 01:40:46.699 --> 01:40:48.640 be located in this general area 01:40:49.279 --> 01:40:52.920 you've got the unt discovery park here that's that's 01:40:52.920 --> 01:40:56.000 operational townhome development we've 01:40:56.000 --> 01:40:59.630 got multi-family development and a regional park there's 01:40:59.630 --> 01:41:01.439 also a single-family residential 01:41:01.439 --> 01:41:04.449 development that is is anticipated to come before you soon 01:41:04.449 --> 01:41:05.680 so there's a lot going on 01:41:06.239 --> 01:41:09.079 and and a lot of trips being generated by all of these uses 01:41:09.079 --> 01:41:11.600 and so our engineering department 01:41:11.600 --> 01:41:13.939 looked at that and felt like we we needed to get ahead of 01:41:13.939 --> 01:41:15.840 some of the mobility issues in this area 01:41:16.399 --> 01:41:19.420 and because of that they've they've determined they're 01:41:19.420 --> 01:41:22.079 going to extend some bonnie bray 01:41:22.079 --> 01:41:25.979 improvements north of university to this area and that 01:41:25.979 --> 01:41:28.399 would include capacity and safety 01:41:28.399 --> 01:41:32.439 improvements stormwater and utility relocations the intent 01:41:32.439 --> 01:41:34.479 is to to provide a four-lane divided 01:41:34.479 --> 01:41:38.109 arterial in this location and the it's currently under 01:41:38.109 --> 01:41:40.720 design the final alignment has not been 01:41:40.720 --> 01:41:45.609 determined but it is it is being studied and we'll know it 01:41:45.609 --> 01:41:48.640 in the beginning part of next year 01:41:48.640 --> 01:41:52.869 so it's either going to track to the west here shown here 01:41:52.869 --> 01:41:55.520 or it would track to the east so we 01:41:55.520 --> 01:41:57.739 just we just don't know what's going to be target 01:41:57.739 --> 01:42:00.000 construction is to begin in late 2019 01:42:00.640 --> 01:42:03.289 and it's supposed to be completed in time for the high 01:42:03.289 --> 01:42:04.239 school to open 01:42:05.920 --> 01:42:09.550 sorry in addition to mobility and the future land use we 01:42:09.550 --> 01:42:11.279 also looked at the compatibility 01:42:11.279 --> 01:42:14.479 of the zoning request there's not a lot of development out 01:42:14.479 --> 01:42:15.920 here yet but there there is 01:42:15.920 --> 01:42:19.550 zoning that affects it and in particular the rccd there's 01:42:19.550 --> 01:42:22.479 quite a bit of it along north loop 288 so 01:42:23.199 --> 01:42:25.739 if this zoning is approved it would be a logical extension 01:42:25.739 --> 01:42:27.920 of that existing zoning pattern 01:42:27.920 --> 01:42:31.550 any development that then moves forward in this general 01:42:31.550 --> 01:42:33.760 area and on these corridors would be 01:42:33.760 --> 01:42:37.390 compatible both in use and development scale as they would 01:42:37.390 --> 01:42:38.880 all be in that same governing 01:42:38.880 --> 01:42:41.600 zoning district development must comply with all ddc 01:42:41.600 --> 01:42:43.920 requirements that includes tree preservation 01:42:43.920 --> 01:42:48.060 site design lighting tree canopy and screening water and 01:42:48.060 --> 01:42:50.800 sewer are not currently available so 01:42:51.600 --> 01:42:54.270 so this they'll have to be extended as part of any 01:42:54.270 --> 01:42:58.159 development here a notification was sent out of 01:42:58.159 --> 01:43:01.420 the property we haven't received any responses and based 01:43:01.420 --> 01:43:03.359 upon the criteria for approval and 01:43:03.359 --> 01:43:06.369 staff's analysis we do recommend approval of the request 01:43:06.369 --> 01:43:07.840 the applicant is here if you have 01:43:07.840 --> 01:43:11.659 any questions and i will stand for any questions christ 01:43:11.659 --> 01:43:14.000 opher beck thank you chair thanks julie i 01:43:14.000 --> 01:43:19.149 noticed that uh rccd on residential uses it does allow 01:43:19.149 --> 01:43:23.039 attached single-family dwellings does not 01:43:23.039 --> 01:43:26.159 allow single-family building so attached would be talking 01:43:26.159 --> 01:43:27.920 about like town homes things of that 01:43:27.920 --> 01:43:31.550 nature yes sir okay and it doesn't allow any manufacturing 01:43:31.550 --> 01:43:33.520 housing building but cedar okay the 01:43:33.520 --> 01:43:36.810 only reason i asked because this was a specific area i was 01:43:36.810 --> 01:43:38.960 looking at for tiny homes so that was 01:43:38.960 --> 01:43:42.800 my concern about that anyway thank you i don't see any 01:43:42.800 --> 01:43:46.800 other questions for you julie thank you 01:43:46.800 --> 01:43:49.710 for your presentation this is a public hearing anyone 01:43:49.710 --> 01:43:51.119 wishing to speak may do so 01:43:54.640 --> 01:43:57.279 if you do you just need to come down state your name and 01:43:57.279 --> 01:43:59.039 your address we can fill out a card later 01:44:04.640 --> 01:44:05.850 what i would ask the commission if you have questions for 01:44:05.850 --> 01:44:08.319 the applicant let's do that 01:44:08.319 --> 01:44:10.699 in the public hearing before i close it out so if there's 01:44:10.699 --> 01:44:12.159 anything that needs to be brought up from 01:44:12.159 --> 01:44:14.649 the public questioning that so if you have questions for 01:44:14.649 --> 01:44:16.800 the applicant let's do that before we close 01:44:16.800 --> 01:44:23.119 public hearing and i don't see any so with that i'll go 01:44:23.119 --> 01:44:26.159 ahead and close the public hearing open 01:44:26.159 --> 01:44:30.960 this for discussion or motion commissioner smith motion for 01:44:30.960 --> 01:44:33.359 approval commissioner sanchez 01:44:36.800 --> 01:44:38.560 we have a first and a second any discussion 01:44:40.640 --> 01:44:42.319 seeing none we call for a vote on the board 01:44:46.800 --> 01:44:51.359 okay motion carries seven zero 01:44:54.479 --> 01:44:58.300 that moves us to our last item for the public hearing item 01:44:58.300 --> 01:45:02.000 three c z 18 dash zero zero 01:45:02.000 --> 01:45:05.930 18 a i will open the public hearing and call cindy jackson 01:45:05.930 --> 01:45:09.039 for presentation thank you 01:45:16.960 --> 01:45:23.039 so 01:45:27.279 --> 01:45:30.630 z 18 dash zero zero one eight is a request for approval of 01:45:30.630 --> 01:45:35.600 a rezoning of a 20.7 acre site 01:45:35.600 --> 01:45:35.600 from the nr4 neighborhood residential district to the nrmu 01:45:35.600 --> 01:45:44.000 neighborhood mixed use 12 zoning district 01:45:44.640 --> 01:45:48.270 site is located north of mckinney street which you can see 01:45:48.270 --> 01:45:51.279 along here east of the loop which is here 01:45:51.840 --> 01:45:54.159 and north of duchess which is along here 01:45:56.239 --> 01:45:59.880 current zoning as you can see is nr4 the request the 01:45:59.880 --> 01:46:03.760 proposed zoning nrmu 12 is an extension 01:46:03.760 --> 01:46:07.579 of the existing nrmu 12 that is located to the north of the 01:46:07.579 --> 01:46:07.840 site 01:46:10.399 --> 01:46:14.609 the applicant's proposed concept plan can be seen here the 01:46:14.609 --> 01:46:16.560 applicant is proposing a 01:46:19.039 --> 01:46:22.189 townhouse development that will be developed as a multi- 01:46:22.189 --> 01:46:22.960 family 01:46:24.239 --> 01:46:27.880 development in that the townhouses won't be on their own 01:46:27.880 --> 01:46:30.479 individual lots they'll be on one single 01:46:30.479 --> 01:46:34.439 lot and but however they will be sold a condo style the 01:46:34.439 --> 01:46:37.039 applicant is proposing no more than six 01:46:37.039 --> 01:46:41.579 dwelling units per acre and the development respects the 01:46:41.579 --> 01:46:44.800 topography of the area which is 01:46:45.680 --> 01:46:48.949 very high in the middle of the site and then goes down 28 01:46:48.949 --> 01:46:53.279 feet around the perimeter as well as 01:46:53.279 --> 01:46:56.109 preserving as many trees as possible and i just want to 01:46:56.109 --> 01:46:58.000 note that the minimum preservation 01:46:58.000 --> 01:47:01.819 requirement for the site would be 12.5 percent of the 01:47:01.819 --> 01:47:03.119 existing tree canopy 01:47:06.239 --> 01:47:09.420 the purpose of the nr as i noted earlier the purpose for 01:47:09.420 --> 01:47:12.560 the nrmu 12 is to facilitate this 01:47:12.560 --> 01:47:17.920 development as well as a on one lot instead of them being 01:47:17.920 --> 01:47:21.359 on separate lots even though the 01:47:21.359 --> 01:47:25.460 proposed density is nr6 excuse me is six dwelling units per 01:47:25.460 --> 01:47:28.960 acre the multi-family concept would not 01:47:28.960 --> 01:47:37.039 be permitted in the nr4 nr6 zoning district an xup will be 01:47:37.039 --> 01:47:40.720 required once if the zoning is approved to 01:47:40.720 --> 01:47:45.850 move forward with this development when looking at rezon 01:47:45.850 --> 01:47:50.079 ings we we have some criteria that we need 01:47:50.079 --> 01:47:53.359 to follow per the dent development code the first question 01:47:53.359 --> 01:47:55.600 is does the request conform to the future 01:47:55.600 --> 01:47:58.750 land use plan and would there be adequate provision of 01:47:58.750 --> 01:48:01.840 transportation water sewer schools parks etc 01:48:04.000 --> 01:48:08.159 the the future land use designation of the site is moderate 01:48:08.159 --> 01:48:11.439 residential which promotes single family 01:48:11.439 --> 01:48:14.550 housing on small lots with a density of between four and 01:48:14.550 --> 01:48:17.680 twelve dwelling units per acre the types 01:48:17.680 --> 01:48:21.020 and uses and scale of development permitted in the nrmu 12 01:48:21.020 --> 01:48:23.439 district do conform with the goals of the 01:48:23.439 --> 01:48:27.970 moderate residential designation and with regards to 01:48:27.970 --> 01:48:31.760 density use town homes are encouraged in this 01:48:31.760 --> 01:48:37.039 in this designation and it's also encouraged to be used as 01:48:37.039 --> 01:48:40.720 a buffer between residential 01:48:41.680 --> 01:48:45.600 which this is single family attached duplexes to the south 01:48:45.600 --> 01:48:49.600 and the more intense uses along mckinney 01:48:49.600 --> 01:48:53.770 street specifically a church a multi-proposed multi-family 01:48:53.770 --> 01:48:57.119 development and an electrical transformer 01:48:57.119 --> 01:49:03.880 site i already did that the requested nrmu 12 district is a 01:49:03.880 --> 01:49:07.279 continuation of the nrmu 12 district 01:49:07.279 --> 01:49:11.100 to the north as previously noted the use is permitted in 01:49:11.100 --> 01:49:13.279 the nrmu 12 district would be 01:49:13.279 --> 01:49:16.399 consistent with the uses that exist today which are 01:49:16.399 --> 01:49:19.439 moderate density residential uses the nrmu 01:49:19.439 --> 01:49:23.670 12 district also permits some neighborhood scale commercial 01:49:23.670 --> 01:49:26.239 uses however we're proposing an overlay 01:49:26.239 --> 01:49:32.630 to restrict that those uses the development must comply 01:49:32.630 --> 01:49:38.479 with all esa tree vet preservation buffer 01:49:38.479 --> 01:49:42.119 screening tree canopy and lighting requirements water and 01:49:42.119 --> 01:49:44.159 wastewater are available to the site 01:49:44.159 --> 01:49:48.720 from trailhead lane and then there's also water available 01:49:48.720 --> 01:49:54.560 from lane lane drive and from muckingbird 01:49:57.439 --> 01:50:01.079 we sent out notices within 200 feet of the site via 01:50:01.079 --> 01:50:04.640 certified mail and postcard notices 01:50:04.640 --> 01:50:07.880 courtesy notices within 500 feet of the site we received 01:50:07.880 --> 01:50:11.520 one response back in favor which is just 01:50:11.520 --> 01:50:15.689 this right here this corner right here it's hard to see 01:50:15.689 --> 01:50:19.680 that little corner represents 0.5 percent 01:50:19.680 --> 01:50:23.500 of the land area within the 200 foot buffer three signs 01:50:23.500 --> 01:50:25.359 were also posted on the site and there's 01:50:25.359 --> 01:50:29.180 pictures of them in your backup staff recommends approval 01:50:29.180 --> 01:50:31.680 of this request with a mixed use protection 01:50:31.680 --> 01:50:34.869 overlay including the following conditions the use of the 01:50:34.869 --> 01:50:37.119 site is limited to multi-family townhouse 01:50:37.119 --> 01:50:40.359 to style style development with a maximum permitted density 01:50:40.359 --> 01:50:42.079 of six dwelling units per acre 01:50:42.800 --> 01:50:45.630 and the proposed northern access drive to mckinney street 01:50:45.630 --> 01:50:48.239 shall be utilized as an ems emergency 01:50:48.239 --> 01:50:51.239 medical service access only and that concludes my 01:50:51.239 --> 01:50:54.159 presentation and the applicant is present as well 01:50:55.920 --> 01:50:57.350 thank you cindy for the presentation i don't see any 01:50:57.350 --> 01:50:58.880 questions at this time 01:51:00.960 --> 01:51:02.079 oh commissioner sanchez 01:51:07.119 --> 01:51:12.229 are you okay let's see yeah right there okay you have 01:51:12.229 --> 01:51:15.279 mockingbird which is going to you said that 01:51:15.279 --> 01:51:18.010 earlier we were told that that was going to be extended all 01:51:18.010 --> 01:51:21.520 the way to mckinney mckinney has any 01:51:21.520 --> 01:51:25.159 discussion been talked about that in the future maybe 01:51:25.159 --> 01:51:28.000 having a road coming off mckinney and into 01:51:28.000 --> 01:51:33.039 that development as a second access to to that not yet not 01:51:33.039 --> 01:51:36.159 yet again as i noted previously this 01:51:36.159 --> 01:51:39.319 is a concept plan and we are still we're going to work out 01:51:39.319 --> 01:51:41.279 site details with the applicant when 01:51:41.279 --> 01:51:44.289 he comes forward with the specific use permit application 01:51:44.289 --> 01:51:46.079 and i know it's a concept plan but i 01:51:46.079 --> 01:51:50.109 was just throwing that out that might be a consideration 01:51:50.109 --> 01:51:52.159 because as at our work session 01:51:52.159 --> 01:51:55.800 i did mention that that was only one access that's correct 01:51:55.800 --> 01:51:57.920 right now and and the one that has been 01:51:57.920 --> 01:52:02.319 proposed which is the one uh by the church well that's just 01:52:02.319 --> 01:52:05.279 going to be an emergency so long term 01:52:05.279 --> 01:52:07.869 i'm just saying long term and that area will be developed 01:52:07.869 --> 01:52:09.680 and mockingbird will be developed all 01:52:09.680 --> 01:52:13.710 the way maybe provide that as a look plan a road there that 01:52:13.710 --> 01:52:16.800 will provide access sure the the 01:52:16.800 --> 01:52:19.810 applicant can probably speak to that right now better than 01:52:19.810 --> 01:52:21.279 i can as i said we're still in the 01:52:21.279 --> 01:52:25.970 conceptual stage okay thank you cindy i don't see any other 01:52:25.970 --> 01:52:27.439 questions okay 01:52:29.680 --> 01:52:31.319 this is a public hearing if you're wishing to speak you may 01:52:31.319 --> 01:52:32.960 do so by coming forward 01:52:35.279 --> 01:52:36.960 okay 01:52:43.039 --> 01:52:46.859 commissioner beck i'm hoping that the owner will come 01:52:46.859 --> 01:52:48.800 forward and i do have a few questions for you 01:52:52.239 --> 01:52:54.579 please just state your name and address for the record my 01:52:54.579 --> 01:52:57.840 name is rick barria i live here in 01:52:57.840 --> 01:53:02.310 denton at 51 12 edwards road okay did you have a 01:53:02.310 --> 01:53:06.399 presentation you wanted to give us or yes i do 01:53:06.399 --> 01:53:10.029 uh i didn't uh register i guess out front for it okay why 01:53:10.029 --> 01:53:12.800 don't you go ahead and do that and if 01:53:12.800 --> 01:53:16.649 my questions haven't been answered then i'll okay i'll do 01:53:16.649 --> 01:53:19.119 that uh let's see if i yeah 01:53:20.960 --> 01:53:23.039 i don't want to touch anyone else's presentation 01:53:27.359 --> 01:53:28.560 there you go thank you 01:53:33.039 --> 01:53:34.640 if i can just find that icon 01:53:38.079 --> 01:53:40.560 okay i want to talk about clustering because that's really 01:53:40.560 --> 01:53:44.800 the essence of this uh development i do 01:53:44.800 --> 01:53:49.600 want to mention that um i'm here with uh jack medcalf who 01:53:49.600 --> 01:53:52.720 was our engineer and also uh with 01:53:52.720 --> 01:53:56.609 nathan olson he's our engineer as well now what is cl 01:53:56.609 --> 01:53:59.520 ustering well i'll make a comment here 01:54:00.720 --> 01:54:03.489 if i can hit one of these buttons there we go it's more 01:54:03.489 --> 01:54:06.079 than just a better view that's one of the 01:54:06.079 --> 01:54:09.409 reasons why people do it now this is a typical linear 01:54:09.409 --> 01:54:12.720 development solution or dentons in our six 01:54:12.720 --> 01:54:16.079 rules and i believe these are four or five plexus i didn't 01:54:16.079 --> 01:54:19.359 count them all uh and the front facade 01:54:19.359 --> 01:54:23.289 looks pretty good there's no garage and but you have to 01:54:23.289 --> 01:54:25.920 have alleys with that and it requires quite 01:54:25.920 --> 01:54:29.020 a bit more concrete and generally unless somebody plants 01:54:29.020 --> 01:54:32.640 trees in the back there's no trees this uh 01:54:32.640 --> 01:54:36.270 five in a row uh concept requires that you have a straight 01:54:36.270 --> 01:54:38.800 street and a flat grade and i think that 01:54:38.800 --> 01:54:42.140 building is about 180 feet long now with the slope that we 01:54:42.140 --> 01:54:44.000 have on our site that doesn't work 01:54:45.279 --> 01:54:48.579 no trees here either maybe now and forever i don't really 01:54:48.579 --> 01:54:50.960 see a place to plant them and sometimes 01:54:50.960 --> 01:54:54.590 people don't do that now this is uh another configuration 01:54:54.590 --> 01:54:56.800 where you've got front driveways 01:54:56.800 --> 01:54:59.810 there's less concrete but there's more cars and then i 01:54:59.810 --> 01:55:01.840 asked the question can you count them all 01:55:01.840 --> 01:55:05.659 well i did there's 20 of them not counting the hood of my 01:55:05.659 --> 01:55:08.319 car now this is another linear concept 01:55:08.319 --> 01:55:11.119 it's in a row and it follows the roadway centerline whether 01:55:11.119 --> 01:55:12.399 it's curved or straight 01:55:14.560 --> 01:55:18.600 and there's no green space there's no commons and i ask the 01:55:18.600 --> 01:55:20.479 question what kind of community do you 01:55:20.479 --> 01:55:22.819 really have you're only going to meet somebody if you walk 01:55:22.819 --> 01:55:26.239 on the sidewalk this is the same property 01:55:26.239 --> 01:55:29.079 a little different configuration which i think is much more 01:55:29.079 --> 01:55:31.039 pleasing i did this in a seminar with 01:55:31.039 --> 01:55:34.670 rick harrison who i think is the greatest designer in the 01:55:34.670 --> 01:55:36.720 world by the way i hope to one day get as 01:55:36.720 --> 01:55:39.810 good as him uh these bedrooms there were two bedroom units 01:55:39.810 --> 01:55:42.159 that's what we thought these would be 01:55:42.159 --> 01:55:45.060 the walkways are pleasant and they're separated from the 01:55:45.060 --> 01:55:47.600 street it's much safer it's more fun to 01:55:47.600 --> 01:55:51.489 walk down and uh it's definitely an improvement for 01:55:51.489 --> 01:55:54.960 children and their safety now this is in houston 01:55:55.680 --> 01:55:59.050 there are row houses with alleys gee they almost look like 01:55:59.050 --> 01:56:01.119 dominoes now i don't know how many were 01:56:01.119 --> 01:56:03.460 in the row i had an area that looked like they were eight 01:56:03.460 --> 01:56:05.600 in a row generally and then there's 01:56:05.600 --> 01:56:10.399 some houses behind others in the cul-de-sac now in grape 01:56:10.399 --> 01:56:13.600 vine clustering here did save some trees 01:56:13.600 --> 01:56:16.779 and their units are smaller and they stair step them down 01:56:16.779 --> 01:56:19.520 the grade the grade drops going uh from 01:56:19.520 --> 01:56:23.359 top to bottom and on this site and this is spencer road in 01:56:23.359 --> 01:56:26.239 denton and this is a type of clustering 01:56:26.239 --> 01:56:29.239 and the units are pretty small i think it's one of the 01:56:29.239 --> 01:56:33.119 better looking rentals in denton now this is 01:56:33.119 --> 01:56:37.039 oak vista and the blue section is our residential part and 01:56:37.039 --> 01:56:39.600 then the other section where it says 01:56:39.600 --> 01:56:42.960 office park that's what we plan to do sometime later when d 01:56:42.960 --> 01:56:45.119 uchess is extended and we'll of course 01:56:45.119 --> 01:56:48.489 pay for part of that you'll notice the red line it's 01:56:48.489 --> 01:56:50.720 vertical uh that all of a sudden 01:56:52.000 --> 01:56:57.060 departs uh where we got the section that is divergent and 01:56:57.060 --> 01:57:00.000 it's a wider area that's bounded 01:57:00.000 --> 01:57:04.029 by the blue green that is the drainage ditch we made it 01:57:04.029 --> 01:57:06.640 wider in fact i did this long before 01:57:06.640 --> 01:57:10.529 we had this am i running out of time let me go back you're 01:57:10.529 --> 01:57:13.199 because you have 10 minutes okay 01:57:14.239 --> 01:57:19.369 all right that's why we widen the channel what would you 01:57:19.369 --> 01:57:21.359 put for the value here 01:57:22.239 --> 01:57:26.380 or this or that i'm a believer in saving trees that's my 01:57:26.380 --> 01:57:27.359 driveway 01:57:28.720 --> 01:57:31.199 this i'm not the only guy that wants to save trees another 01:57:31.199 --> 01:57:33.680 developer did it sometimes we have 01:57:33.680 --> 01:57:38.510 damage sometimes you have surprises like bees this is how 01:57:38.510 --> 01:57:41.840 it was developed we've got 01:57:43.199 --> 01:57:46.829 problem if we try to excavate like this the topography 01:57:46.829 --> 01:57:49.439 would hurt us we would have to dig a lot 01:57:50.319 --> 01:57:55.229 so in this version we made the drawing to where we followed 01:57:55.229 --> 01:57:58.479 the contours as same as this one 01:57:58.720 --> 01:58:01.119 is a little closer look in case you have questions later 01:58:01.119 --> 01:58:04.000 and we've done some floor plans they're 01:58:04.000 --> 01:58:07.829 pretty small have one for empty nesters this one you can 01:58:07.829 --> 01:58:10.079 come in the drive the garage in 01:58:10.079 --> 01:58:15.149 either direction this one is very small and this one is for 01:58:15.149 --> 01:58:18.159 singles so we know that we're going to 01:58:19.039 --> 01:58:21.890 observe the building code and fire code by the type of 01:58:21.890 --> 01:58:23.920 structure and that's one and two family 01:58:23.920 --> 01:58:28.109 building code if there's three it's a separate code so here 01:58:28.109 --> 01:58:30.560 's what we need we we've got a density 01:58:30.560 --> 01:58:34.380 of nr6 the present design density is a little less than 01:58:34.380 --> 01:58:36.479 that we are looking at a gated with 01:58:36.479 --> 01:58:40.399 emergency only on the north now there's a little different 01:58:40.399 --> 01:58:44.079 some of definition there the open layout 01:58:44.079 --> 01:58:48.319 is multi-family the travel lanes radii is multi-family we 01:58:48.319 --> 01:58:50.880 're going to have an hoa for maintenance and 01:58:50.880 --> 01:58:55.109 order but we need one thing more and i talked to cindy jack 01:58:55.109 --> 01:58:57.840 son earlier and i think we're of the same 01:58:57.840 --> 01:59:00.369 mind on this the parking rules would be multi-family 01:59:00.369 --> 01:59:03.119 because it is a multi-family arrangement i just 01:59:03.119 --> 01:59:06.489 want to make sure and that would be uh one parking space 01:59:06.489 --> 01:59:08.800 for each bedroom plus 10 percent 01:59:11.680 --> 01:59:16.479 okay did i make the 10 minutes or close you're good it was 01:59:16.479 --> 01:59:18.159 dinged on you if you went over 01:59:20.079 --> 01:59:22.300 thank you for the presentation thank you see if we have any 01:59:22.300 --> 01:59:23.680 questions for you christian or beck 01:59:24.560 --> 01:59:26.779 thank you chair thank you mr bria you did answer one 01:59:26.779 --> 01:59:29.039 question i think uh how are you going to 01:59:29.039 --> 01:59:32.859 control that emergency lane i believe you're going to put a 01:59:32.859 --> 01:59:35.199 gate a gate there yes there'll be a gate 01:59:35.199 --> 01:59:38.550 there and it'll have an opticon opener so that the fire 01:59:38.550 --> 01:59:41.119 department from the north which is naturally 01:59:41.119 --> 01:59:44.939 where they would come from uh they can get in that way now 01:59:44.939 --> 01:59:48.079 we would like to have an emergency opening 01:59:48.079 --> 01:59:51.899 if we have some type of fire if somebody uh maybe they have 01:59:51.899 --> 01:59:54.239 a car fire at the south gate or something 01:59:54.239 --> 01:59:56.949 so that we can get out that way but it would i would 01:59:56.949 --> 01:59:59.520 imagine almost never be used that way right 02:00:00.079 --> 02:00:05.100 okay good um i was pleased to read uh that you're looking 02:00:05.100 --> 02:00:08.239 for an opportunity to build affordable 02:00:08.880 --> 02:00:11.369 smaller homes uh and that's what it looks like you've got 02:00:11.369 --> 02:00:13.199 here because we were talking earlier 02:00:13.199 --> 02:00:17.020 the need for more affordable homes and so could you give us 02:00:17.020 --> 02:00:18.560 an idea what kind of price 02:00:18.560 --> 02:00:22.000 frames we're looking at it would that be two percent of me 02:00:22.000 --> 02:00:24.640 to certainly i'll tackle that now 02:00:24.640 --> 02:00:26.979 i'm not a builder and i don't know what current building 02:00:26.979 --> 02:00:28.640 prices are but i can tell you the size 02:00:28.640 --> 02:00:34.960 of the units the smallest one is about 1050 square feet 02:00:34.960 --> 02:00:38.319 okay and it does not have a garage 02:00:38.880 --> 02:00:41.789 some of the garages will be detached a garage costs more 02:00:41.789 --> 02:00:43.760 money and of course it seems that most 02:00:43.760 --> 02:00:46.369 people today don't use their garages as garages they just 02:00:46.369 --> 02:00:49.199 store things in them so we decided that 02:00:49.199 --> 02:00:52.539 you know if we put a little more storage in the units and 02:00:52.539 --> 02:00:54.640 we uh and we have carports that are 02:00:54.640 --> 02:00:58.229 covered that would probably work especially at the lower 02:00:58.229 --> 02:01:00.640 end of the market uh our largest unit would 02:01:00.640 --> 02:01:05.439 be 1700 square feet uh we have one unit that's 1300 square 02:01:05.439 --> 02:01:07.680 feet and that one is uh for empty nesters 02:01:07.680 --> 02:01:10.909 that's about the size that they prefer most of them will be 02:01:10.909 --> 02:01:12.640 two bedrooms a few will be three 02:01:12.640 --> 02:01:15.680 bedrooms uh we won't have any one bedrooms because i don't 02:01:15.680 --> 02:01:18.000 think we can get anyone to build one or 02:01:18.000 --> 02:01:22.439 buy one but as far as the pricing goes i guess you could 02:01:22.439 --> 02:01:25.680 multiply though that square footage by 02:01:25.680 --> 02:01:31.239 the price of what it costs to build today did i answer your 02:01:31.239 --> 02:01:34.159 question i think you did 02:01:35.359 --> 02:01:38.680 between you and commissioner smith here um i assume too to 02:01:38.680 --> 02:01:40.079 keep the price down there won't 02:01:40.079 --> 02:01:42.630 be a lot of bells and whistles in there as far as 02:01:42.630 --> 02:01:45.760 appliances and uh flooring and stuff like that or 02:01:45.760 --> 02:01:49.390 is that well i would i would think and and this is not my 02:01:49.390 --> 02:01:51.279 part of the project but it would seem 02:01:51.279 --> 02:01:54.539 logical to me that if you had uh folks that were retired 02:01:54.539 --> 02:01:56.880 and they wanted to retire there and it was 02:01:56.880 --> 02:01:59.659 their last home they might pick granite counters or 02:01:59.659 --> 02:02:02.479 something like that and expensive accoutrements 02:02:03.199 --> 02:02:06.829 but a lot of people who are single who we want to sell to 02:02:06.829 --> 02:02:10.319 uh because there's really no place to get 02:02:10.319 --> 02:02:13.329 anything buy anything like this in denton i think they 02:02:13.329 --> 02:02:15.840 would opt for something less expensive and i 02:02:15.840 --> 02:02:19.470 did talk to a local builder who builds uh houses that aren 02:02:19.470 --> 02:02:21.920 't expensive to pick his brain a little 02:02:21.920 --> 02:02:26.050 and we'll try to follow his advice if we can okay okay i 02:02:26.050 --> 02:02:28.800 didn't mean to corny you there okay 02:02:29.600 --> 02:02:33.039 you also mentioned a shared backyard arrangement structure 02:02:33.039 --> 02:02:35.520 so no fencing at all or just no 02:02:36.720 --> 02:02:40.529 okay just just fences along the back line of the property 02:02:40.529 --> 02:02:42.880 we decided that with what we were trying 02:02:42.880 --> 02:02:47.369 to create that six foot wooden fences would not work but 02:02:47.369 --> 02:02:50.159 people need to feel that part of that 02:02:50.159 --> 02:02:53.819 space is theirs and it's defined so we thought of basically 02:02:53.819 --> 02:02:56.239 a white picket fence or something like 02:02:56.239 --> 02:03:00.380 that and at the corners where we would have a division we 02:03:00.380 --> 02:03:03.279 would probably put some type of marker 02:03:03.279 --> 02:03:06.909 on the ground as long as someone has a feeling of hey this 02:03:06.909 --> 02:03:09.279 space is mine and you're not going to come 02:03:09.279 --> 02:03:12.300 in and you're walking in through our backyard most people 02:03:12.300 --> 02:03:14.239 can live with that especially if your 02:03:14.239 --> 02:03:16.800 neighbors are okay i don't know what you would do in the 02:03:16.800 --> 02:03:19.520 case of a really cranky neighbor but i guess 02:03:19.520 --> 02:03:23.340 that would be for the hoa to handle later okay well i am 02:03:23.340 --> 02:03:25.840 please really based on your narrative 02:03:25.840 --> 02:03:28.890 you know your desire to observe trees keep open spaces 02:03:28.890 --> 02:03:30.800 green areas so this looks like a real good 02:03:30.800 --> 02:03:33.270 development to me thank you for answering my questions 02:03:33.270 --> 02:03:37.279 thank you any other questions yeah 02:03:37.279 --> 02:03:39.199 commissioner sanchez i have a question 02:03:42.239 --> 02:03:45.350 i just wanted to say it's sounds like a pretty interesting 02:03:45.350 --> 02:03:48.000 concept when i was reading the 02:03:48.000 --> 02:03:50.899 information here and you had biplex i was wondering what a 02:03:50.899 --> 02:03:55.199 biplex was well duplexes are usually are 02:03:55.199 --> 02:03:59.020 usually rented right and that's why i coined this other 02:03:59.020 --> 02:04:01.439 word biplex of course then if i try to use 02:04:01.439 --> 02:04:04.670 triplex it doesn't really work out i guess officially you 02:04:04.670 --> 02:04:06.960 might call them single family units 02:04:06.960 --> 02:04:12.069 right right but as i was looking at uh you know uh long- 02:04:12.069 --> 02:04:15.600 term access and and into that area i was 02:04:15.600 --> 02:04:19.420 just curious and i i've mentioned it before is that uh 02:04:19.420 --> 02:04:22.319 using um what is it mockingbird is there any 02:04:22.319 --> 02:04:25.350 long-term planning on maybe coming in through mockingbird 02:04:25.350 --> 02:04:27.279 as opposed to just having one exit 02:04:27.920 --> 02:04:31.520 for that for that area well we had oh because i was gonna i 02:04:31.520 --> 02:04:34.479 was just gonna say that emergency is 02:04:35.279 --> 02:04:39.109 is only for emergency so really you just have one exit that 02:04:39.109 --> 02:04:42.479 's correct yes and what we've tried to do 02:04:42.479 --> 02:04:46.380 to mitigate that circumstance is we have chosen 02:04:46.380 --> 02:04:50.239 deliberately a lesser number of units we're not 02:04:50.239 --> 02:04:53.609 trying to put apartments there so that lessens the number 02:04:53.609 --> 02:04:56.159 of trips also we decided that if we had some 02:04:56.159 --> 02:05:00.079 people who are retired and we're trying to sell maybe 25 of 02:05:00.079 --> 02:05:02.079 the units to retirees or people who 02:05:02.079 --> 02:05:06.109 are 55 plus at least that they tend to get up a little 02:05:06.109 --> 02:05:09.279 later they don't go to work and they 02:05:10.079 --> 02:05:13.710 try to avoid traffic i remember my father's habits before 02:05:13.710 --> 02:05:16.800 he died he would leave about 10 and if he 02:05:16.800 --> 02:05:19.220 had to do something in the afternoon it was always in the 02:05:19.220 --> 02:05:21.119 mid-afternoon and he said i don't need the 02:05:21.119 --> 02:05:25.310 grief of being in the traffic so we think that will shave 02:05:25.310 --> 02:05:27.600 off the peak demand that you might 02:05:27.600 --> 02:05:32.539 normally have now as far as the access uh to the east we 02:05:32.539 --> 02:05:35.920 tried for years i've got a letter that 02:05:35.920 --> 02:05:40.170 goes back to i think 2010 where we tried to talk to uh the 02:05:40.170 --> 02:05:43.359 people who own that land now it's owned 02:05:43.359 --> 02:05:47.180 by trust and the trust does not want to sell just access 02:05:47.180 --> 02:05:49.680 they want to sell the whole piece which is 02:05:49.680 --> 02:05:52.020 not very usable and it snakes all around it's it's 02:05:52.020 --> 02:05:56.239 something that you really can't use we have heard 02:05:56.239 --> 02:06:00.279 though that in that area that there is a local investor who 02:06:00.279 --> 02:06:02.640 builds apartments and was looking to 02:06:02.640 --> 02:06:06.680 buy some of that property on lane street and also further 02:06:06.680 --> 02:06:09.920 to the east and to the south if he did that 02:06:09.920 --> 02:06:13.750 then he obviously could build something that would you know 02:06:13.750 --> 02:06:16.960 be worth his time and then uh with a simple 02:06:16.960 --> 02:06:20.229 s turn you would make mockingbird connect with mockingbird 02:06:20.229 --> 02:06:22.479 but that would run through mr tonic 02:06:22.479 --> 02:06:25.670 less property right through the middle so he would have to 02:06:25.670 --> 02:06:27.439 sell i think he probably would 02:06:28.319 --> 02:06:32.189 maybe that's why he favors this uh this development i don't 02:06:32.189 --> 02:06:33.840 know his reasons but i'll just say yes 02:06:33.840 --> 02:06:41.159 thank you very much okay okay thank you all right i do not 02:06:41.159 --> 02:06:44.720 see any other questions thank you mr 02:06:44.720 --> 02:06:48.539 barrio this is a public hearing anyone else wishing to 02:06:48.539 --> 02:06:50.319 speak we certainly do so 02:06:54.720 --> 02:06:55.729 seeing none i will close the public hearing and open up for 02:06:55.729 --> 02:06:57.840 discussion or motion 02:06:59.920 --> 02:07:04.840 commissioner beck i moved to approve this uh z 18018 i 02:07:04.840 --> 02:07:07.119 think it's an excellent plan i think it 02:07:07.119 --> 02:07:10.760 works well over in this area so i motion to approve and 02:07:10.760 --> 02:07:13.279 commissioner beck for clarification 02:07:13.279 --> 02:07:16.430 are you approving with the two conditions i'm sorry yes i 02:07:16.430 --> 02:07:18.960 am thank you commissioner smith second 02:07:20.399 --> 02:07:23.409 we have a first and a second any discussion seeing none i 02:07:23.409 --> 02:07:25.439 'll call for a vote on the board 02:07:30.159 --> 02:07:35.439 okay motion carries seven zero congratulations 02:07:38.479 --> 02:07:40.520 that concludes the public hearing items for this evening we 02:07:40.520 --> 02:07:43.359 'll move on to the plan and zoning 02:07:43.359 --> 02:07:47.760 project matrix and richard i'll let you take lead initially 02:07:47.760 --> 02:07:49.279 again just wanted to 02:07:50.079 --> 02:07:54.109 highlight some items that we had discussed in work session 02:07:54.109 --> 02:07:56.159 the item with respect to 02:07:56.159 --> 02:07:59.979 traffic engineering items instead of having that on the 10 02:07:59.979 --> 02:08:02.479 24 work session we'll be moving that to 02:08:02.479 --> 02:08:06.960 1114 we also had at the same time a discussion regarding 02:08:06.960 --> 02:08:09.840 the process for infrastructure updates 02:08:10.560 --> 02:08:14.789 since we will we will have water and sewer staff members at 02:08:14.789 --> 02:08:17.039 the next meeting with respect to the 02:08:17.039 --> 02:08:19.750 capital improvements i think we can also still have them 02:08:19.750 --> 02:08:22.159 address some of those concerns with respect to 02:08:23.279 --> 02:08:26.409 to those utilities and then but still have the same 02:08:26.409 --> 02:08:27.840 discussion as part of 02:08:29.680 --> 02:08:33.500 pre-tambing the traffic engineers on on the 14th on the 02:08:33.500 --> 02:08:37.199 historic preservation incentives we are 02:08:37.199 --> 02:08:40.829 working on that i also wanted to let everyone know that 02:08:40.829 --> 02:08:43.680 that the locota group has been in town 02:08:43.680 --> 02:08:47.760 they were at hlc on monday they're the consultant assisting 02:08:47.760 --> 02:08:50.319 with the historic preservation plan 02:08:50.319 --> 02:08:52.880 and so i think right around that time so that that'll be 02:08:52.880 --> 02:08:54.319 also an update on where we are with 02:08:54.319 --> 02:08:57.569 the historic preservation plan but i know that plan was 02:08:57.569 --> 02:08:59.680 also looking at including some of those 02:08:59.680 --> 02:09:04.649 incentives just to give a quick update tree code we are 02:09:04.649 --> 02:09:08.079 working as hailey mentioned earlier and 02:09:08.079 --> 02:09:10.750 kind of pulling pulling it all together we're just we're 02:09:10.750 --> 02:09:12.800 just going through kind of the refining 02:09:12.800 --> 02:09:16.430 process right now we're going back to the committee on the 02:09:16.430 --> 02:09:19.359 environment scheduled to go back on 11-5 02:09:20.319 --> 02:09:22.489 and then we are going to have a work session with the city 02:09:22.489 --> 02:09:24.479 council i believe it's on 11-13 02:09:25.199 --> 02:09:27.149 and so as soon as we get that draft i'll make sure that 02:09:27.149 --> 02:09:28.560 that everyone gets a copy 02:09:29.439 --> 02:09:32.000 and depending where we are on the on the 14th i'll be back 02:09:32.000 --> 02:09:35.279 just giving an update again keep just 02:09:35.279 --> 02:09:37.619 making sure everyone's in the loop and how we're 02:09:37.619 --> 02:09:39.840 progressing how we're progressing with that 02:09:40.880 --> 02:09:45.319 otherwise i think that was it thank you thank you for that 02:09:45.319 --> 02:09:47.439 update anyone have anything to add or 02:09:49.840 --> 02:09:53.029 all right nothing to be added with that we will close the 02:09:53.029 --> 02:10:03.520 planning zoning commission meeting at 7-12