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Welcome to the work session meeting of planning and zoning

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commission for October 10th 2018.

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It is 439. We'll open up the work session at this time.

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Start out with clarification of agenda items

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for the meeting. There is no consent agenda, is that

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correct? No.

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Perfect. So the first item 3a is actually being postponed

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to a future date not determined yet. So the first item we

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can walk through will be 3b which is Julie

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z 18-14.

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Good evening. Evening Julie.

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All right I'm Julie Wyatt senior planner with the city and

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I am presenting z 18-14. It's a commercial

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rezoning to you tonight. So request before you is to hold a

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public hearing and consider making a

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recommendation regarding the rezoning from a pd 115

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district to an rcc district. The subject property

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is in the vicinity of loop 288 highway 77 also known as

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north elm and then bonnie bray and it's

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about nine acres. More specifically pd 115 a detail plan

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was approved for this pd back in 2004 for a

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church as well as the accessory daycare or school and that

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was approved and but it was never built.

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So now the applicant is coming forward. They're requesting

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a rezoning to develop the site with a

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mixed use center. Commissioner Ellis. Thank you chair. Hey

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Julie was that like brought into the

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pd after the fact or with the pd at the time? It's just so

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weird that the pd is nicely kind of

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carved out and then you've got that little piece. I was

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just curious. That is a good question. The

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pd actually included a lot more property. I think the

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property as it's gone forward has been zoned

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out of the pd. So now that I say that I'm questioning

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myself.

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Yeah I do think that was the I think that was the and I can

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I could verify that before the

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the meeting because it's a good question but that that I

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believe that there it was larger but it has

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has zoned out. I've got those documents. I'll just have to

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reference them. So it's a good question.

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I'll find out for you. So as with. Commissioner Beck. I'm

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thoroughly confused and I think it was

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just a misprint. I've got this one that says z1814 and then

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the actual background information it says

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z180011. Was that a typo or something? It is a typo. I

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apologize. Okay all right so I've got the right stuff.

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You have the right thing. I have the wrong project number

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at the front. I got a little

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excited about a different project. So no you're correct. So

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it's z1814. Yes.

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So as with all rezoning cases we look at the criteria for

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approval in sub chapter 3 of the

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debt and development code. First does it comply with the

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future land use and then second does it

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is there adequate provision of the transportation water

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sewer those public infrastructure

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items. So first we'll look at the debt and plan 2030. This

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property is located in a business

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innovation designation future land use. As you know the

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intent is to provide for well-planned

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large scale employment parks as well as those accessory

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uses such as retail restaurant,

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higher density residential. RCCD in this instance is

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appropriate and in that business innovation

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because it would allow the property to develop with those

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complementary uses like those retail

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and and the commercial uses. RCC district is a primarily

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commercial district so it would allow

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those accessory use or those supporting uses. And that's

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important because this property is

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near more residential areas more institutional areas. You

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probably don't want to see large scale

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like industrial type uses so those supporting uses would be

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appropriate in this location.

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Additionally it's near the 377 or I'm sorry 77 and loop 288

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corridors so that those access

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and the roadways are the types of roadways you want to see

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near commercial areas to help them be

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successful. We also looked at the mobility for the area.

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Now on the screen is a concept plan. I just

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want to caution you that this is a straight rezoning. This

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is a concept plan that the applicant

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has provided as part of a trip generation analysis but this

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is an approval of this concept plan

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so that if if this zoning district was approved any of the

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uses that would be permitted in RCCD

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as well as the development scale would be permitted.

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Commissioner Ellis. Thank you chair.

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Julie that's for obviously outside of the scope of what we

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're looking at site wise right? Yes.

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Because they obviously own the land to the left. Yes yes

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and we'll talk about that. So

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so we did ask them to do a trip generation analysis as part

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of this request and and as part

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of that they actually looked at the entire 32 acres that is

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at this corner of loop 288

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and highway 77 because that is adjacent RCCD zoning so it

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would develop in a complementary way

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and I believe they are looking at developing that entire

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corner so they wanted to look at

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it comprehensively. However the request is only for this

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nine acres in in black so does that make

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sense? Okay. Commissioner Bec. Thank you chair. Just for

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fill me in a little bit I believe the new

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high school is going in this area too. We're gonna get

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there. Okay good thanks. If I don't answer

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your question let me know. Okay so so as part of a trip

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generation analysis they're they're using

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some land use assumptions and as part of that they they

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assumed 400 multifamily dwellings and

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122,000 square feet of retail. Based upon those assumptions

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the ITE trip generation manual

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anticipates a generated 9,800 trips for this property or

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for the entire 32 acres. The am peak

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hour trips of 391 and the pm peak hour of 833 and that's a

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lot of trips. When you combine that with

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Commissioner Beck's point about the Denton High School that

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is is anticipated to come in in this

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area and in about this location down here. You have the UNT

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Discovery Center already in place in

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this area. There is a townhome development coming in in

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this location. Multifamily. You have a

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regional park and then in in the near future you're also

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going to be seeing potentially a

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single-family development in this area. There's a lot going

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on and and because of that our city

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staff has already looked at some mobility improvements for

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for this general area and

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and particularly for Bonnie Bray. So you might be aware

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that Bonnie Bray is being improved on the

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south side of town between university and vintage. However

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because especially because of the Denton

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High School improvements it's now on the radar to go ahead

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and improve the north side of Bonnie Bray.

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So they are they are already working on the capacity and

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safety improvements storm water

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and utility locations for this area. The anticipated Bonnie

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Bray will be four lane

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divided arterial. Currently it's under design so the final

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alignment hasn't been determined. So

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you'll see there's a lot of green lines on this map. So

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here's Bonnie Bray now. The mobility plan

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shows it tracking in this location to the west. However

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after our engineering department has looked

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at it they feel like maybe tracking to the east is actually

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a better alignment. So they're they're

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actually looking at this. What they really want to do is

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hit three seven hit 77 at a right angle.

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Engineering doesn't like to see skews at intersections. It

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's less safe. So whatever the

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alignment it would need to hit 77 at a right angle and then

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and then track north. They're working

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with the North Central Texas Council of Governments. So COG

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is involved in this because it's a regional

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transportation issue. So it is on the radar and it is

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moving forward. We do anticipate that the

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alignment's going to go in this direction but we don't know

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for certain and we won't know until the

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beginning of next year. The target construction is to begin

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in late 2019 and then the completion is

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to coincide with the Denton High School. They really want

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to make sure that these are improvements are

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in place before that high school opens up and so that's

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anticipated for late 2021. Any questions

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on the mobility? Commissioner Smith. Thank you Chair. So

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the if engineering decides that the

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alignment needs to be off you know left or right or east or

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west however you want to look at this.

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They could essentially start using imminent domain to claim

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land that's outside of the right of way

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already to be able to realign the road. Is that what you're

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looking at and seeing?

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They might use several tools in their toolbox. So if

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properties along this alignment are platting

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there may be right of way dedication as part of a plat and

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as part of just the typical development

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process. This property here I believe is UNT property so

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they may work with UNT. To get a

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piece. And then and then Richard sounds like he wants to

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weigh in here. I guess I should ask not

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silly because I'm not really I don't really care about the

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I guess what I'm saying is that in

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in relation to specifically the case that we're hearing

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tonight we could be we could be voting

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on a zoning case that could end up having if the city

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engineers feel like the west alignment's

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better than the east alignment it could end up with a

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zoning case. We rezone this area

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but there's going to be a road through the middle of it and

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the applicant who's asking for this

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rezone their entire conceptual plan doesn't matter anymore

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and because now they got a road

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running right through the middle of there. I would say it's

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it's it's highly unlikely at

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at this point. We did have we did have a discussion earlier

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this week that I was in with with UNT on

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that on that coming through that parcel. In addition where

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that apartment complex is one of

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the meetings we had with UNT recently there was a concern

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from from their police department about the

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crossing of students back and forth from that apartment

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complex to to their facility there

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and the necessity for for a light. This would would help

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alleviate some of that. In addition

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if it was tracking west it was like we're talking about a

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hurricane there were there were two I

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believe there were two spots where they were going to have

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to install a bridge two different

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bridges. Okay so it's pretty stupid and and so the just the

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cost and maintenance associated with it

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so that's that's where it kind of shifted to this. I just I

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would hate to see us be like well we

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could go we can go east we can go west here it's like well

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why would we want to just go through and

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have this applicant go through all the trouble getting this

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rezone just for the city to say hey

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by the way we're gonna blow our road through the middle of

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your plot now. Yeah and we've kind of

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have have had this applicant bringing this forward we've

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kind of have it have had it on hold

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okay for that for that very reason we don't want to get

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down the line and all of a sudden

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got ruined their dream. Commissioner Beck. Thank you chair.

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The green line on the other side of 77

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that's supposed to be a continuation of body ground? Well I

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drew that so it's definitely very

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conceptual. Okay but the intent is to go is to go north and

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and and but it doesn't connect you'd

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have to go up and down. I don't know where they're okay got

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cha. Julie real fast can you go back to

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their site plan? Sure. Okay I I know it's conceptual but I

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just want to make sure that they weren't

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dependent on the Bonnie Bray access if it potentially gets

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moved but it looks like they're

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gonna have theoretically access directly from 77 so if that

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if Bonnie Bray gets shifted to the right

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they're not going to necessarily lose traffic to their

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their spot. They would have to work with

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engineering regarding but regarding any access but probably

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their main access would be from 77. I

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think that's probably the most logical place it's the

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largest road. And then back on the slide that

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you were you were on to the mobility plan none of the three

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I want to go with cone of uncertainty.

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None of those three options the west the existing or the

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east hit at a 90 degree so it seemed like

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you'd come up to the highway and and make it a 90 degree if

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that is the case for all three options

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why are we moving Bonnie Bray east or west why don't we

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just leave it where it is? Well I think

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they're trying to get it closer to that 90 degree. It may

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not be perfectly unskewed but to have to

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have it closer to that 90 degree right now if you've driven

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Bonnie Bray you pretty much have to turn

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around to look to see if cars are coming so I think they're

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trying to improve the safety

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at that intersection by getting it by getting it as close

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to that 90 degree as possible.

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Okay thank you. And I think that's also the case at loop 28

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8 that they want a 90 degree intersection

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there as well as it goes north. All right so we also looked

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as part of the analysis at the

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current zoning pattern as well as the development pattern.

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The development pattern is you know

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there's not a lot of development out here yet. It's coming

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but it's not out here yet.

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So we look mainly at the zoning pattern and RCCD is a

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logical extension of that existing

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zoning pattern. You can see along north loop 288 that there

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is that RCC. It's pretty consistent RCCD.

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So by approval of this of this request you could ensure

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consistent development both in permitted

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uses as well as development scale so that you'd have a

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harmonious development pattern along that

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area as the the parcels do develop. As it moves forward

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development would have to comply with all

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DDC requirements. That would include any tree preservation,

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buffer screening, tree canopy,

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site design, and lighting requirements. Right now this is

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this is kind of new frontier in the city

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of Denton so water and sewer aren't available so extensions

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would be required with any development.

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Notification was sent out. We haven't received any any

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responses.

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So based upon the criteria for approval and staff's

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analysis we do recommend

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approval of the request and I'll stand for any questions.

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I don't see any thank you Julie. All right thanks. Next

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item is 3C Z18-18A

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and Cindy Jackson will be presenting.

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Thank you. Let me bring up the presentation.

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Okay Z18-18 is a rezoning request. The applicant is

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requesting to rezone approximately 20.7

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acres of property from the NR4 zoning district to the NRMU

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12 zoning district. As you can see

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the property is actually south of McKinney and north of

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Trailhead and west of Lane.

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Just for reference here's the loop right here and here's

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McKinney right here.

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The request the the current site is zoned NR4 as you can

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see in this map. If the if this request

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is approved the proposed zoning NRMU 12 is an extension of

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the NRMU 12 that is located

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to the north of the site and you can also see there's NRMU

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12 located to the east of the site.

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The applicant has prepared a concept plan. The concept plan

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takes into account the topography

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as well as tree preservation on the site. The topography is

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this is kind of has some pretty

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interesting topography where there's a 28 foot difference

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between the area right in here and

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the perimeter area so it kind of goes up. The applicant is

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proposing townhouse development

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with a density of six dwelling units per acre that's

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approximately 120 townhouse units.

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The applicant is also proposing to preserve as many trees

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as possible. The minimum

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preservation requirement for the for this site is 12.5

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percent of protected trees.

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The purpose of the NRMU district is the the request is to

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facilitate the development of this

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townhouse. It's kind of different from regular townhouses

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that we you know other townhouses we've

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seen they're not platted on their own lot. This is going to

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be platted all on one lot. The units

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are going to be sold individually and the whole development

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will be considered common area.

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So it's kind of condo style. According to our code it's

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also multifamily so an SUP will be

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required after they have completed the zoning process.

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Cindy I realize this is the concept

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plan we're dealing with zoning but I did notice there's a

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contingency access to McKinney. Yes.

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That is being worked on or that is actually a concept plan.

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So the concept plan is going to be

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emergency service only EMS access only. The primary access

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will be from trailhead

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and then they would go down to Dutchess to get to the loop.

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And then just help me if you go back one

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slide if you went back yeah this later development here

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would that come back for separate SUP if they

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wanted to develop later on something down there. Right the

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applicant right now he's not he's not

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proposing anything on this this part of the property here.

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The applicant is waiting for the

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citywide rezoning and the new zoning code to see what's

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going to be permitted there and just then

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then we'll decide what to do there. Thank you.

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Okay. Mr. Cole. Quick question. Yeah. To the due north of

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that are those apartments being built?

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Yes. Right over here there are apartments are called I

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believe Majestic on McKinney

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and then over here is an electrical transmission site.

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Right here is a church and affiliated school

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and then over here are single family homes. This down here

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is a duplex subdivision

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and all of this over here is undeveloped. Just making sure

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I was at the right place. Okay.

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This is planning and zoning. Commissioner Sanchez. Yeah. On

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Lane Street what eventually is the city

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looking at to do with that particular street there? Well it

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's a private street so right now the city's

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not looking at doing anything to it. I mean as far as

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trying to utilize it in the future if it's a

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private street I mean I guess when I was looking at it I

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know okay so it's a private is there any

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way of the city getting access to that and trying to

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utilize it for eventual because you you don't

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have I just I was just wondering if you could extend that

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all the way into into this subdivision here

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so that you could be able to have more access or well exits

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out of that area. If you look at the

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concept plan we do have I mean the aerial map there is a

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dead end street right here that is city owned.

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Mockingbird? Yes. Is that going to be extended all the way

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too? I haven't I did not see anything on the

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the mobility plan for that to be extended. It is? Okay. But

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Lane it's been it's a private street

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it's always been a private street and it's privately

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maintained so the city does not have any

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vested interest in it right now. Okay okay. Commissioner

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Smith. Thank you chair. So you're

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just to go off what Commissioner Sanchez was saying a

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second ago. The uh he said is Trailhead

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there that's that's that's private or is that? No that's a

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public street. Okay so the connectivity

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the connectivity well so okay gotcha I know it's stubbed

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out I thought you were saying that that

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whole area down there is all private street. Oh no no no

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just Lane right here. You said if you

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want to go back one slide to the conceptual I'm not really

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looking at the no yeah there you go

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the I'm not really looking at the conceptual but the top

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left so the the northwest plot above it

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that's actually between the applicant and McKinney. What

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that plot of land is that happen to be owned

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by the applicant or is that just yeah? No this this is

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actually um this is actually going to be

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an apartment complex. It's almost done. Is it? Yeah. Okay I

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guess I yeah right and right here is

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the electrical transformer. Okay got it all right so there

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's apartment complex in front of it.

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Yep and and church right here. Church right there okay.

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That works thank you. We got a little bit of

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line but Commissioner Ellis. Thank you Chair real quick I

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assume there's plans to extend Dutchess at

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some point as well correct? Oh yes there that is on the

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mobility plan to extend. Commissioner Beck.

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Thank you Chair. So Lane isn't a part of this no project at

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all I got the indication even by

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his narrative that that was going to be so they're making a

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separate means of egress only between

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their development and McKinney and as an emergency. That's

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correct. That's it okay so otherwise the only

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way they can get in there is through Dutchess. That's

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correct. Until Mockingbird comes through.

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The applicant had a neighborhood meeting and at the

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neighborhood meeting there was concern

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expressed about the use of this area as a access way into

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the site by all of the residents because

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of the fact that it's going to go through the church

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parking lot. Therefore it is going to be

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EMS only. Say that again that last part. It's only going to

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be EMS emergency medical service.

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Okay thanks. Commissioner Sanchez. It was the same question

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she had about extending Dutchess so over

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the long period when Dutchess is extended they'll be able

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to go either east or west. That's correct.

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And that's that's basically where they'll be able to move

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more traffic out of that area.

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We're good. Okay as Julie mentioned we the criteria for

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approval of a zoning case

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is does the site request does the request conform to the

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future land use plan and would there be

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adequate provision of transportation water sewer

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infrastructure. The site is actually

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designated as moderate residential on the future land use

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map. The intent of moderate residential

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is to promote single family housing in small lots and it

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encourages town homes with a density of

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between four and twelve units per acre. As proposed the

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site does meet that requirement and it does

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comply with the future land use map. Here's a little bit of

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my analysis. It's consistent with

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the future land use element. The NRMU 12 district permits

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12 dwelling units per acre max which is

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also consistent with that element and the thing that the NR

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MU 12 also does is provide a transition

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between the single family duplexes to the south and the

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more commercial and institutional uses

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that are along McKinney street to the north.

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The requested NRMU 12 district as I mentioned earlier is a

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continuation of the NRMU 12 that is

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located to the north of the site. The use is permitted in

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the NRMU 12 district are consistent

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with the uses that are permitted in the area today. Moder

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ate density residential uses with some light

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commercial. The applicant is only proposing town homes with

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no commercial.

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Um I just covered that. We sent out notices to uh by

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certified mail to 52 property owners and uh

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we received one response back which I handed out if I put

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it at your place tonight

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in favor which represents a half of one percent of the

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property located in the 200 foot buffer.

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Three signs were posted on the site at trailhead right here

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and at lane.

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Staff recommends approval of this request with the

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condition that a mixed use overlay

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is placed on the site. The mixed use overlay would limit

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the use of the site to townhouse

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development with a maximum density of six dwelling units

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per acre and it would limit that proposed

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northern access to emergency medical service only.

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Commissioner Smith. Have you discussed those

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recommendations with applicant? Um well we we did discuss

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them yes. Okay so any applicant will be

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there tonight to ask let us ask. Oh the applicant's right

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here. Well I guess I know we're not going to

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ask the applicant. I saw you look at him. I just uh don't

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don't see it's how the sausages are made.

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You can't can't let it all go away. We don't like to we don

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't like to do this without okay we'll ask

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this. We don't want to surprise the applicant. I'll ask the

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applicant tonight to make sure that he's

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okay with that the recommendations before me. Thank you.

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That concludes my my presentation.

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Commissioner Sanchez. I've got a question. Um when we

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usually develop when there's a development

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there's usually two exits if I remember correctly we

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usually try to have two exits. Now one of them

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is being designated as an emergency so in reality they only

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have one exit. Well you need to remember

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this is a concept plan. Okay okay. It's not it's not a full

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blown site plan. Okay okay. Which we

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will have a full blown site plan when he comes forward with

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the SUP application. Okay okay okay.

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I see what you're saying but I guess I my my idea is using

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that to make sure that they have two

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exits rather than even if it's a concept plan I would

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imagine you you would consider your other

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exit not just a concept plan that okay we're going to use

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this in emergency when in reality we have

505
00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:26,420
to have two primary exits not one. Yes yes. I do not see

506
00:28:26,420 --> 00:28:32,000
any other questions. Thank you Cindy. Great.

507
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,630
With that the agenda for the public hearing has been

508
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:39,119
complete. Move on to work session reports.

509
00:28:39,839 --> 00:28:46,720
The first one is from Haley about tree preservation and

510
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,440
landscape standards.

511
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,970
All right I've actually made it through the hard part with

512
00:28:57,970 --> 00:28:59,920
tree preservation so very brief

513
00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:02,079
presentation now with the landscape code update.

514
00:29:05,119 --> 00:29:07,460
All right so I'm sure you're all familiar through the ADPs

515
00:29:07,460 --> 00:29:09,359
and site plans that you've seen that

516
00:29:09,359 --> 00:29:12,039
sub chapter 13 of the development code does have landscape

517
00:29:12,039 --> 00:29:13,119
standards that dictate

518
00:29:13,759 --> 00:29:16,140
new plantings and where those go on a site and what form

519
00:29:16,140 --> 00:29:17,279
they should take.

520
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,950
So with the comprehensive landscape plan and kind of this

521
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:22,720
conservation code that we're hoping to

522
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,430
adopt with our new DDC we are rewriting those landscaping

523
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:26,960
standards to try to provide more

524
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,589
flexibility in how a site is designed. So what we've

525
00:29:30,589 --> 00:29:33,440
proposed are new standards for compatibility

526
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,789
buffers right-of-way screening and parking lot landscaping

527
00:29:35,789 --> 00:29:36,960
which are the chief elements

528
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:41,859
that our code dictates on a site. As part of this we are

529
00:29:41,859 --> 00:29:44,720
looking to maintain the minimum landscape

530
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,519
area and tree canopy area requirements that are currently

531
00:29:47,519 --> 00:29:49,279
in the code. As we shift to the new

532
00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:52,289
DDC and adopt new zoning districts of course these numbers

533
00:29:52,289 --> 00:29:54,000
would be adjusted to fit those new

534
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,630
districts. We are tweaking this a little bit to require

535
00:29:57,630 --> 00:29:59,920
some biodiversity within the plantings

536
00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:04,349
on a site. So for example if a site has to have 50% tree

537
00:30:04,349 --> 00:30:06,640
canopy that would be broken down into

538
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,660
numerous plantings all over the site and we would encourage

539
00:30:09,660 --> 00:30:11,920
that if you're planting over 10 trees to

540
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,769
meet that requirement that no more than 20% of them be from

541
00:30:14,769 --> 00:30:16,160
the same genus so that there is

542
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,970
biodiversity within a site and if something such as the you

543
00:30:18,970 --> 00:30:20,559
know ash borer beetle comes in it

544
00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:24,380
wouldn't wipe out all of the landscaping on a site. So just

545
00:30:24,380 --> 00:30:27,279
yes. Commissioner Sanchez. Yeah

546
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,920
when you say no 20% now is there is there anything asking

547
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,279
that a certain percent of those be native

548
00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:39,390
trees or trees local to north central Texas? Currently

549
00:30:39,390 --> 00:30:42,240
there's not anything that would require

550
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,680
that. There the site design criteria manual has a listing

551
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,079
of approved trees and the majority of the

552
00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:50,960
trees on there are considered native. So those that's the

553
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,799
kind of the list that you could pick

554
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:55,019
from so just by nature of that we do have a requirement but

555
00:30:55,019 --> 00:30:56,319
there's nothing spelled out in

556
00:30:56,319 --> 00:30:58,380
the code. We could certainly add something like that if you

557
00:30:58,380 --> 00:30:59,839
all were interested. When you say

558
00:30:59,839 --> 00:31:03,470
native you're talking about Texas or are you talking about

559
00:31:03,470 --> 00:31:05,359
north central Texas this area? I'm

560
00:31:05,359 --> 00:31:07,890
not sure how that list was derived to know where those

561
00:31:07,890 --> 00:31:09,759
those trees came from but that's that's

562
00:31:09,759 --> 00:31:12,339
definitely something we could look into and if you all

563
00:31:12,339 --> 00:31:14,400
would like us to add something like that to the

564
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:19,539
code we could. I mean we're always talking about um what do

565
00:31:19,539 --> 00:31:22,240
you call it this is you know we're in

566
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,140
order to talk about uh excuse me cross timbers and and how

567
00:31:26,140 --> 00:31:28,720
we want to mimic that ecosystem or

568
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,539
what what you know we're keeping areas uh protecting areas

569
00:31:32,539 --> 00:31:35,119
because of those particular type trees

570
00:31:35,119 --> 00:31:38,119
then we should also extend it to protect as many of those

571
00:31:38,119 --> 00:31:40,480
trees as possible for this central for

572
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,630
cross timbers area at least that's my opinion. Okay yeah.

573
00:31:43,630 --> 00:31:47,039
For clarification these tree tend trees

574
00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:50,670
is that like landscape trees? Correct. We're not talking

575
00:31:50,670 --> 00:31:52,640
about like the tree preservation of like

576
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,269
the massive oaks necessarily we're talking about like great

577
00:31:56,269 --> 00:31:58,000
murals putting putting in for like

578
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,630
landscape type. Yeah not necessarily the preferred species

579
00:32:01,630 --> 00:32:04,000
but certainly yeah new plantings on a side

580
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,450
within the development area. Okay I got you. Also different

581
00:32:08,450 --> 00:32:11,039
from any required um mitigation tree

582
00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:13,869
that would be. Correct in addition to mitigation trees. I

583
00:32:13,869 --> 00:32:18,480
got you. So uh one of the key pieces of

584
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,299
our landscape code is the compatibility buffer between uses

585
00:32:22,299 --> 00:32:24,240
um so our code currently has four

586
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,670
types of buffers type A, B, and C or I'm sorry A, B, C, and

587
00:32:27,670 --> 00:32:30,000
D um and it dictates where those apply

588
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,519
and it has very strict requirements for how wide those buff

589
00:32:32,519 --> 00:32:34,240
ers are how many trees and shrubs have

590
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,559
to be within those buffers. Um we we often get you know

591
00:32:37,559 --> 00:32:40,000
concerns expressed by developers who

592
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,140
find that those requirements are just a little too strict

593
00:32:42,140 --> 00:32:44,079
sometimes they need to be able to uh

594
00:32:44,079 --> 00:32:47,519
to fluctuate what goes in that buffer space. So this table

595
00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:49,119
is intended to help provide that

596
00:32:49,119 --> 00:32:52,470
flexibility so we're maintaining the same um you know the

597
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:54,480
same spirit of what we have now in the

598
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,650
code where the uses are are separate or the the development

599
00:32:57,650 --> 00:32:59,519
is separated by what type of use is

600
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:02,339
being developed and what use is adjoining and then if you

601
00:33:02,339 --> 00:33:04,079
follow the table it would tell you

602
00:33:04,079 --> 00:33:05,890
how many points you would have to attain within your buffer

603
00:33:05,890 --> 00:33:07,759
. So we're trying to go to a more

604
00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:10,589
flexible system where we say you need this number of points

605
00:33:10,589 --> 00:33:12,319
here's a menu of options that can get

606
00:33:12,319 --> 00:33:15,369
you to that number. Um and then in many cases we do still

607
00:33:15,369 --> 00:33:17,440
specify a minimum width to ensure that

608
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,900
there's adequate spacing between say an industrial and a

609
00:33:19,900 --> 00:33:24,000
single family use. Hayley? Correct. Uh

610
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:28,619
where the uses line up there's none so agriculture and

611
00:33:28,619 --> 00:33:31,759
agricultural none single family single finger

612
00:33:31,759 --> 00:33:35,390
none single family single family but multifamily multif

613
00:33:35,390 --> 00:33:39,599
amily we put a buffer in for the same use

614
00:33:39,599 --> 00:33:43,470
can you wouldn't I think logically it'd be none just like

615
00:33:43,470 --> 00:33:46,240
the diagonal would suggest on this bingo

616
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,480
chart but um can you help why is there a required buffer

617
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,680
for the same use? I I believe that is an

618
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,250
error in the table um but we can look into that the intent

619
00:33:56,250 --> 00:33:57,920
may have been if it's multifamily

620
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,650
versus townhome uh this was recommended by our consultant

621
00:34:00,650 --> 00:34:03,759
Clarion with our code update um but I

622
00:34:03,759 --> 00:34:06,470
I see your point there that that um seems a little counter

623
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:08,719
intuitive as to the agricultural the intent

624
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,440
there is to if someone's doing agriculture on their land to

625
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,119
not require them to buffer. I totally

626
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:15,150
understand that one I was more worried about the yeah

627
00:34:15,150 --> 00:34:16,960
certainly we can I'll make a note of that and

628
00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:19,550
and we can look into that a little bit more I'm I'm not

629
00:34:19,550 --> 00:34:21,840
sure what the logic was there may just be a

630
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:26,000
an error on the table. Okay thanks. So uh speaking of the

631
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,760
the required points here is that kind of

632
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,769
menu of choices that um that you would have to to get you

633
00:34:32,769 --> 00:34:35,440
to that required number of buffer points

634
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,599
um and like I said the intent here is to add more

635
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:40,079
flexibility so if if a wall suits your site better

636
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:42,650
than a you know a certain number of trees and shrubs you

637
00:34:42,650 --> 00:34:44,400
know that that could be worked in as

638
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,550
well as providing options for different sizes of trees um

639
00:34:47,550 --> 00:34:49,599
different you know spacing of trees and

640
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:53,239
things of that nature. Are there any questions on this

641
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,079
before we jump? All right um so just give you

642
00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:58,590
an example um so a multifamily developing and joining

643
00:34:58,590 --> 00:35:00,719
single family current code would be a type

644
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,590
b buffer which has to be a 10 foot wide area with five

645
00:35:03,590 --> 00:35:06,719
trees and 30 shrubs for every 100 linear feet.

646
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,409
If you go back to that table and kind of play with the

647
00:35:09,409 --> 00:35:11,519
options there are multiple ways to get to

648
00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:14,090
the required number of points that we would like to see in

649
00:35:14,090 --> 00:35:15,360
that buffer moving forward

650
00:35:16,159 --> 00:35:18,659
so that could be a masonry wall it could be a double-sided

651
00:35:18,659 --> 00:35:20,800
wood fence with trees or it could

652
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,139
be some combination of trees and shrubs similar to the

653
00:35:23,139 --> 00:35:24,800
current code requirements so again just

654
00:35:25,679 --> 00:35:28,800
the goal here is to provide more flexibility. Some of the

655
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,679
other changes we're looking for or

656
00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:34,690
looking to make in the code are applying a similar point

657
00:35:34,690 --> 00:35:37,039
system to all required site landscaping.

658
00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:39,929
Again the goal being to provide flexibility but ensure that

659
00:35:39,929 --> 00:35:41,840
a minimum quality of landscaping and

660
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,210
a minimum amount of landscaping is provided. So what we've

661
00:35:45,210 --> 00:35:47,119
developed is a similar table to what

662
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:50,150
we just looked at for buffers. If you read through the

663
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:52,480
draft code you see that we require a minimum

664
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,300
of 30 points on every landscape plan so every site has to

665
00:35:56,300 --> 00:35:59,840
meet this minimum and that minimum

666
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,630
is attained by selecting elements from different sections

667
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:04,239
on the menu board so there would be

668
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,840
right-of-way screening, parking lot landscaping, and then a

669
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,320
variety of other elements that could

670
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,679
be incorporated throughout the site wherever works for

671
00:36:10,679 --> 00:36:15,039
their development. So looking at that table

672
00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:17,409
the first section as I mentioned would be right-of-way

673
00:36:17,409 --> 00:36:19,039
screening so the goal here is if you

674
00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:21,380
have parking in front of your building you would choose two

675
00:36:21,380 --> 00:36:23,679
of these options. If you don't have

676
00:36:23,679 --> 00:36:25,909
front parking you just have say a drive aisle or something

677
00:36:25,909 --> 00:36:27,199
in front of your building and that could

678
00:36:27,199 --> 00:36:30,360
be reduced to one. So kind of keeping with the spirit of

679
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,880
our current code the options include berms,

680
00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:36,369
combination of trees, and then shrubs as well as low walls

681
00:36:36,369 --> 00:36:38,000
that could provide screening for the

682
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,630
parking lot. Commissioner Beck. Thank you. How high are

683
00:36:41,630 --> 00:36:45,199
those berms? Three feet? It's it's they can

684
00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:48,210
vary it's typically like a one to three side slope maximum

685
00:36:48,210 --> 00:36:50,320
but it would be whatever height that's as

686
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,460
low as one foot high. Yeah some of them are very low but

687
00:36:54,460 --> 00:36:57,280
okay yeah and typically you'll see the

688
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,940
the low berm with the landscaping shrubs or something like

689
00:36:59,940 --> 00:37:01,039
that on top of it that provides

690
00:37:01,039 --> 00:37:04,860
a little extra height there. The second component of the

691
00:37:04,860 --> 00:37:08,000
table would be internal parking lot elements

692
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,039
so you see here where the current code has very minimal

693
00:37:11,039 --> 00:37:13,599
standards for that only if you have a

694
00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:15,710
large front parking lot does our current code require

695
00:37:15,710 --> 00:37:18,320
internal landscaping. We have a minimum

696
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,170
percentage of parking lot landscaping but it doesn't

697
00:37:20,170 --> 00:37:21,760
dictate that that should be spread throughout

698
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,559
to provide shade over the parking lot so we want to

699
00:37:24,559 --> 00:37:27,199
encourage that concept but provide options and

700
00:37:27,199 --> 00:37:30,199
how you can do that so it could be a combination of end

701
00:37:30,199 --> 00:37:32,559
caps and internal landscape islands it

702
00:37:32,559 --> 00:37:35,340
could be landscape medians between rows of parking allowing

703
00:37:35,340 --> 00:37:37,119
the developer to choose whatever works

704
00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:39,840
best for their site but still attain landscaping dispersed

705
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,199
throughout a parking lot. And then

706
00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:46,280
finally the the other landscape elements that we're

707
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,480
proposing could be used on a site does

708
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,150
include some some things such as encouraging drought

709
00:37:51,150 --> 00:37:53,599
tolerant plants, encouraging a minimum of

710
00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:56,960
turf grass usage on a site. Some of the newer things that

711
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,719
we've added based on the committee

712
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,349
on the environment's recommendations were things such as

713
00:38:02,349 --> 00:38:04,960
living walls and green roofs which we

714
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,050
currently don't have addressed in our code at all so when

715
00:38:07,050 --> 00:38:08,719
someone proposes that it's kind of

716
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,000
hard to see how it would apply. So allowing that to be a

717
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,480
use and then the newest we've added is this

718
00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:17,380
butterfly pollinator garden you may have noticed that Dent

719
00:38:17,380 --> 00:38:20,480
on became a monarch city USA designation

720
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,369
so to try to encourage that we've worked that into the code

721
00:38:23,369 --> 00:38:24,480
is one of the options.

722
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:29,400
Commissioner Beck. Thank you chair. On the grass swells for

723
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,199
surface water is the grass

724
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,489
going to be drought resistant type grass or can it be Berm

725
00:38:35,489 --> 00:38:37,920
uda? It could be any grass.

726
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:42,969
Certainly if you wanted us to encourage one way or the

727
00:38:42,969 --> 00:38:45,840
other we could work something like that in.

728
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:51,449
Okay thanks. Finally the last piece of landscaping that we

729
00:38:51,449 --> 00:38:52,960
're still working on

730
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,920
is open space requirements. Our code currently has these

731
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,719
for multifamily uses only so we're looking

732
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,489
into as we move forward and try to encourage cluster

733
00:39:03,489 --> 00:39:05,920
development as an option minimum landscape

734
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,099
or minimum open space areas for that as well as maintaining

735
00:39:09,099 --> 00:39:11,360
our minimum open space for multifamily

736
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,510
and kind of the overarching piece of this as I mentioned is

737
00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:17,119
our end goal is a combined

738
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:19,909
conservation code that would include tree preservation

739
00:39:19,909 --> 00:39:21,760
landscaping and ESA. So with

740
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,260
this draft landscape code we're also still working through

741
00:39:24,260 --> 00:39:26,960
how to apply credits for tree preservation

742
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:29,989
and things like that and as well as credits for ESA and see

743
00:39:29,989 --> 00:39:32,000
how all of these pieces work together.

744
00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:34,590
So the end goal is not to be overly onerous but to

745
00:39:34,590 --> 00:39:37,039
encourage a high quality development with

746
00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:41,340
a multi-age tree canopy throughout the city. But that's all

747
00:39:41,340 --> 00:39:43,199
I had for you. I promise this would be

748
00:39:43,199 --> 00:39:46,260
the brief portion so unless there's any other questions we

749
00:39:46,260 --> 00:39:47,920
can move on to the next item.

750
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,679
I think we're good. Thank you very much Haley. Thank you.

751
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:57,519
Next up is Julie with a presentation on the comprehensive

752
00:39:57,519 --> 00:39:58,480
planning.

753
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,869
All right. Third time's a charm. That's right. All right I

754
00:40:09,869 --> 00:40:16,320
also brought show and tell items.

755
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,469
We've got some old comp plans over here if anybody's

756
00:40:18,469 --> 00:40:19,760
interested in looking at them

757
00:40:20,559 --> 00:40:20,559
they're pretty funny to look at so but you have to give

758
00:40:20,559 --> 00:40:29,199
them back. Okay so continuing on with our

759
00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:29,199
planning boot camp. We're talking about comprehensive

760
00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:36,559
planning tonight. So on our agenda is to first talk

761
00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:39,199
about how the Texas Local Government Code treats

762
00:40:39,199 --> 00:40:42,880
comprehensive planning. What is a comprehensive

763
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,429
plan? What does the planning literature say about

764
00:40:45,429 --> 00:40:48,400
comprehensive plans? A brief history of comprehensive

765
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,480
planning in Denton and then we're gonna we're gonna get

766
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,679
into the Denton plan 2030. The parts of it,

767
00:40:55,679 --> 00:41:00,300
how to read it, places to look for information. So here we

768
00:41:00,300 --> 00:41:02,559
go. First we're going to talk about

769
00:41:02,559 --> 00:41:06,989
the Texas Local Government Code. So chapter 213 outlines

770
00:41:06,989 --> 00:41:09,199
municipal comprehensive plans.

771
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,920
They're intended to promote health safety and welfare. A

772
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,079
municipality can adopt a comprehensive

773
00:41:16,079 --> 00:41:19,940
plan but they're not required to do so. The content and

774
00:41:19,940 --> 00:41:22,079
design are fairly open-ended.

775
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,369
Cities can talk about land use, transportation, other

776
00:41:26,369 --> 00:41:29,280
public facilities. They can organize it by

777
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,099
subject or by geographical area and it can be used to

778
00:41:33,099 --> 00:41:35,760
coordinate and guide regulations.

779
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,469
A municipality may define the relationship between the

780
00:41:38,469 --> 00:41:40,159
comprehensive plan and development

781
00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:44,280
regulations and comprehensive plans are adopted and amended

782
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,800
by ordinance. So as we talked the last

783
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,139
time comprehensive plans are our comprehensive plan is

784
00:41:50,139 --> 00:41:52,320
amended in the same way a zoning case

785
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,039
would be amended in that it would require the public

786
00:41:55,039 --> 00:41:57,199
hearing and then a recommendation by

787
00:41:57,199 --> 00:42:00,840
peonzy and approval by council. So what does the planning

788
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,679
literature say about comprehensive plans?

789
00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:09,400
So a little bit of history. One of the the fathers of

790
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,320
planning, Daniel Burnham, he was a Chicago

791
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:18,780
architect. He was the one who designed the 1893 Colombian,

792
00:42:18,780 --> 00:42:21,760
World Colombian Exposition. If you've

793
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,610
heard of the white city where the buildings were all white

794
00:42:25,610 --> 00:42:29,599
and the waterways. So he designed that

795
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:35,119
and then he also did the first comprehensive plan. It was

796
00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:37,840
the Chicago, the 1909 Chicago plan. So this

797
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,570
was his quote. It's a little cliched in the planning

798
00:42:40,570 --> 00:42:42,559
profession but I love it. I think it's

799
00:42:42,559 --> 00:42:46,380
inspiring. They don't know if he actually said it. They

800
00:42:46,380 --> 00:42:48,880
think maybe one of his associates said it but

801
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,929
I'm gonna I'm gonna let him have it. So make no little

802
00:42:52,929 --> 00:42:56,320
plans. There's Mr. Burnham himself. He had

803
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,519
quite the mustache and there is a photo of the white city.

804
00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:03,039
So you might want to google it. There's

805
00:43:03,039 --> 00:43:06,960
there's lots of photos on the internet. It's no longer

806
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,119
there and then here is one of the

807
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:15,429
plates from the 1909 plan of Chicago. It talked, it looked

808
00:43:15,429 --> 00:43:17,280
at the park lands, it looked at

809
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,920
transportation. It actually was a plan that included the

810
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,679
central part of Chicago and extended out 60

811
00:43:23,679 --> 00:43:27,719
miles. So it was it was quite something. It took years to

812
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,320
develop and he became the toast of the

813
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,329
town and it was internationally known after it was adopted

814
00:43:33,329 --> 00:43:35,760
and then he died three years later. So

815
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:40,250
it killed him I guess but so so there it is. So generally

816
00:43:40,250 --> 00:43:43,840
what is a comprehensive plan?

817
00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:47,090
John Levy defines it as a guide to the development of a

818
00:43:47,090 --> 00:43:47,679
community.

819
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,840
The citizen's guide to planning says it is a way for the

820
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,880
community to find where it has been,

821
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,920
where it is, and where it wants to go. The Texas APA has

822
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,000
six purposes of comprehensive planning

823
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,219
process. First to improve the physical environment of the

824
00:44:03,219 --> 00:44:05,679
community as a setting for human activities.

825
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,590
Second to promote the public interest. So not just special

826
00:44:09,590 --> 00:44:11,599
interests but the entire public.

827
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,510
Third to facilitate the democratic determination and

828
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:17,840
implementation of community policies on

829
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,059
physical development. Four to affect political and

830
00:44:21,059 --> 00:44:23,760
technical coordination of community development.

831
00:44:24,559 --> 00:44:27,449
Five to inject long-range considerations in the in the

832
00:44:27,449 --> 00:44:30,159
determination of short-range actions.

833
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,159
And finally to prove to bring professional and technical

834
00:44:34,159 --> 00:44:35,760
knowledge to bear in the making of

835
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,980
political decisions. So it's pretty good pretty good list

836
00:44:39,980 --> 00:44:42,960
there. The citizen's guide to planning

837
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,739
outlines what the different parts are or the typical parts

838
00:44:45,739 --> 00:44:47,280
are in a comprehensive plan. As

839
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,750
the Texas Local Government Code says it could really be

840
00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:51,440
anything you want it to be but the

841
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,530
planning literature kind of has these general parts. Some

842
00:44:54,530 --> 00:44:56,400
of them have them some of them don't

843
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,400
but we'll go over them briefly. First the vision. It's the

844
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,599
community's description of its future.

845
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,239
In the past the vision was just maybe a couple of sentences

846
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,440
. Our current comp plan is two pages

847
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:11,969
of vision. So they've they've run the gamut. Research and

848
00:45:11,969 --> 00:45:14,719
analysis. There's several data

849
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,219
points that planners look at and that communities look at

850
00:45:17,219 --> 00:45:19,119
when planning their comprehensive plans.

851
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,110
First of all to look at the population characteristics. Who

852
00:45:23,110 --> 00:45:24,239
lives in our city?

853
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,610
How old are they? Or what is what are their education level

854
00:45:27,610 --> 00:45:29,199
? What how much money do people

855
00:45:29,199 --> 00:45:32,199
make? Where do they live? And then how do those

856
00:45:32,199 --> 00:45:35,199
demographics affect how do they relate to the

857
00:45:35,199 --> 00:45:37,599
built environment particularly the housing market? That's

858
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:40,480
that's important. And then economic trends.

859
00:45:41,679 --> 00:45:45,840
You know how does the internet affect retail development

860
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,679
and where should retail go? So all

861
00:45:47,679 --> 00:45:51,500
of those elements can go into a comprehensive plan. Growth

862
00:45:51,500 --> 00:45:53,840
forecasts. Where where where do we

863
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,480
think we're going to grow and and and how many?

864
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,679
Environmental analysis. Where are natural features?

865
00:45:59,679 --> 00:46:03,000
Public facilities and infrastructure. Where are our fire

866
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,199
stations and our police stations in our

867
00:46:05,199 --> 00:46:08,059
schools? And if we grow the way we think we're going to

868
00:46:08,059 --> 00:46:10,000
grow how many will we need and where

869
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,630
should we put them? Land use capacity. How much undeveloped

870
00:46:13,630 --> 00:46:15,360
land do we have and how many people

871
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,489
do we think are going to live in it? Community character

872
00:46:18,489 --> 00:46:20,719
analysis. These are the intangibles.

873
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,889
When we think of Denton we think of arts and culture, music

874
00:46:23,889 --> 00:46:26,400
, the square, those intangibles

875
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,559
that define our community. And the fiscal analysis. What

876
00:46:29,559 --> 00:46:31,679
are the implications of new growth?

877
00:46:31,679 --> 00:46:36,000
If we plan a community 10 miles away from the city center

878
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,880
what will it cost to maintain the roads to

879
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,679
get there and the water and the sewer? So all of those

880
00:46:41,679 --> 00:46:46,400
factors come into play. Goals, objectives,

881
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,429
and policies are discussed in comprehensive plans. We they

882
00:46:50,429 --> 00:46:54,000
're all these three elements are typically

883
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,409
in comprehensive plans but they name them different things

884
00:46:56,409 --> 00:46:58,079
and in fact our plan names it something

885
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:01,670
different. But but generally the goals. What is the desired

886
00:47:01,670 --> 00:47:03,760
end state? Where do we want to go?

887
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,320
What what do we want to be? Objectives. What are the

888
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,880
benchmarks? How do we know we're getting there?

889
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,130
And then the policies. What what action items do we have to

890
00:47:12,130 --> 00:47:13,599
take to get to our goal?

891
00:47:14,639 --> 00:47:17,030
All comprehensive well not all comprehensive plans but most

892
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:18,719
comprehensive plans we see today have

893
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,539
lots of maps and those are my favorite parts. Particularly

894
00:47:22,539 --> 00:47:25,360
our future land use map. And then

895
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:29,800
implementation and monitoring. Other factors to consider in

896
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,159
comp plans typically or I'm sorry

897
00:47:32,159 --> 00:47:35,050
comprehensive plans are a policy document. They they are

898
00:47:35,050 --> 00:47:37,199
different than the zoning code. The

899
00:47:37,199 --> 00:47:41,289
zoning code is our regulations. Our comp plan is our policy

900
00:47:41,289 --> 00:47:43,760
document that that informs our zoning

901
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,679
code. Typically there's a 20 year horizon. We we plan 20

902
00:47:47,679 --> 00:47:49,840
years out but they should be updated

903
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,659
every five years. Plan effects on the ground change and you

904
00:47:53,659 --> 00:47:55,519
want to continually update it.

905
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,239
Planning documents and I'm going to say this later but

906
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,880
planning the comprehensive planning is

907
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,829
is not only a document it's not only a product it is a

908
00:48:03,829 --> 00:48:06,159
process and it's a continuous process.

909
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:09,760
A brief history of comprehensive planning in Denton this is

910
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,440
where it's going to get fun.

911
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,489
So um in doing a little bit of research I don't know if

912
00:48:15,489 --> 00:48:17,280
this is a comprehensive list of

913
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,369
comprehensive plans but it's what I could find. So the

914
00:48:20,369 --> 00:48:22,480
first one I found for the city of Denton was

915
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,389
in 1960 and it's a pretty robust plan. Then there was

916
00:48:26,389 --> 00:48:31,199
another one in 1974. The 1999 plan was was

917
00:48:31,199 --> 00:48:33,989
what we used when I came to the city of Denton and then in

918
00:48:33,989 --> 00:48:36,960
2015 we adopted the Denton plan 2030.

919
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:43,570
So in 1960 comprehensive plans are really good time caps

920
00:48:43,570 --> 00:48:46,320
ules of the zeitgeist of an area. They

921
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,960
really talk about like how people feel about themselves and

922
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:50,400
where they want to be so they're

923
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:54,650
fascinating. This is a quote from the plan. "If some method

924
00:48:54,650 --> 00:48:56,960
of measuring intellectual level of

925
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,510
a city were known Denton would be listed among the leaders

926
00:49:00,510 --> 00:49:04,079
in the nation." I love that. So um

927
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,730
so that is the basis of that plan. So this is their land

928
00:49:07,730 --> 00:49:09,679
use plan. As you could see Denton was

929
00:49:09,679 --> 00:49:12,769
a lot smaller in 1960. There wasn't as much development on

930
00:49:12,769 --> 00:49:14,239
the south side of town and certainly

931
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:18,829
the preserve wasn't there. The the um the zoning ordinance

932
00:49:18,829 --> 00:49:21,840
that followed that comprehensive plan

933
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:26,719
was in 1963 and um and it it kind of followed the the the

934
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,920
planning principles of the day. We we had

935
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,119
fair very few zoning districts and they were um they weren

936
00:49:33,119 --> 00:49:35,199
't mixed use districts. They were

937
00:49:35,199 --> 00:49:38,510
pretty Euclidean and we'll talk about that in our next um

938
00:49:38,510 --> 00:49:41,280
our next boot camp session is uh they

939
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:45,320
really separated a lot of the uses. They had a thoroughfare

940
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,920
plan too. This is pretty interesting.

941
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,980
Denton had it one had a planned inner loop and it was right

942
00:49:51,980 --> 00:49:55,519
here and then here was the proposed

943
00:49:55,519 --> 00:49:59,760
outer loop. 35W wasn't there and the plan talks about it is

944
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,239
at the southern end of the brand new

945
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:07,150
I-35. So um I think the highway the federal highway was in

946
00:50:07,150 --> 00:50:10,480
1956 am I right? The that act.

947
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:14,360
So I would imagine that 35 was was just about finished then

948
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,760
. So um and then here there was a

949
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:23,369
1960 downtown plan and this is so cool. They they proposed

950
00:50:23,369 --> 00:50:26,960
a pedestrian um mall right here. So this

951
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:32,510
was going to be the pedestrian loop. Um they uh so here's

952
00:50:32,510 --> 00:50:35,199
City Hall West if y'all if y'all are

953
00:50:35,199 --> 00:50:39,730
familiar with that. This seems to be the city buildings um

954
00:50:39,730 --> 00:50:42,400
McKinney was going to dead in here.

955
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,409
I believe this is the inner loop from what I can tell and

956
00:50:45,409 --> 00:50:47,360
so McKinney was going to dead in here.

957
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,869
There's going to be all the city offices. There's going to

958
00:50:49,869 --> 00:50:51,039
be the pedestrian center.

959
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,469
They they advocated for a facelift of the architecture.

960
00:50:55,469 --> 00:50:56,480
They felt that the buildings

961
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:00,300
were too drab so they thought they should be modernized. So

962
00:51:00,300 --> 00:51:02,079
just looking at some of those

963
00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:04,800
buildings on the square that got the facelift in the 60s

964
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,239
you kind of see what they were

965
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,440
talking about. They really wanted those modern facades.

966
00:51:12,159 --> 00:51:14,050
And um City Hall West according to that plan did not have

967
00:51:14,050 --> 00:51:16,480
air conditioning. So we could be having

968
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,769
these meetings in an air conditioned environment. So

969
00:51:19,769 --> 00:51:22,000
luckily they did update some of it.

970
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,519
The 1974 plan didn't have as many maps but I did want to

971
00:51:26,519 --> 00:51:28,400
pull a couple of the goals.

972
00:51:29,039 --> 00:51:31,840
I like the land use goal that wanted to provide adequate

973
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,159
but not excessive amounts of all types

974
00:51:34,159 --> 00:51:38,650
of land for community needs. They they talked about the

975
00:51:38,650 --> 00:51:40,960
environment but they talked about they

976
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,300
they defined it a little differently than we define it now.

977
00:51:43,300 --> 00:51:44,719
They talk about plan protect and

978
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,510
preserve the natural and man-made environment. So they

979
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:49,119
defined it a little differently.

980
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,019
At that time they were still talking about affordable

981
00:51:52,019 --> 00:51:54,800
housing. So some of those deal issues

982
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,400
that we deal with today were still were still things were

983
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,119
things that we dealt with even back

984
00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:02,760
then. And and one phrase that I really liked in this one it

985
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,039
talks about maintaining constant

986
00:52:05,039 --> 00:52:08,719
surveillance of different of different things. It's uh.

987
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:15,099
Isn't that funny like that's an odd phrase to use but that

988
00:52:15,099 --> 00:52:16,239
's what they used.

989
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:25,659
Once again Zeitgeist. Um and then 1999 uh we updated the

990
00:52:25,659 --> 00:52:27,679
plan. The plan won an award. It was

991
00:52:27,679 --> 00:52:30,949
it was um it it and there's a copy of it over there if you

992
00:52:30,949 --> 00:52:32,639
want to flip through it.

993
00:52:32,639 --> 00:52:36,280
It was adopted in December on December 7th of 1999. It's

994
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,000
actually the basis of our current

995
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,630
Denton Development Code. So um where we had those those

996
00:52:41,630 --> 00:52:44,320
just few zoning districts in 1963. We had

997
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,539
the residential. We had apartment. We had business and we

998
00:52:46,539 --> 00:52:49,440
had industrial. Um that that new code

999
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,780
brought in mixed use districts and we talked about

1000
00:52:51,780 --> 00:52:53,840
development scale and neighborhood scale

1001
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,170
versus regional scale and you can see that reflected in our

1002
00:52:57,170 --> 00:52:59,440
current code. So so this plan

1003
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:03,760
really informed our code that we see today. This was the

1004
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,119
land use plan by the way. I can you can

1005
00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:11,150
see that it's um you know it's still it's still pretty

1006
00:53:11,150 --> 00:53:14,159
compact in in in Denton. Denton didn't

1007
00:53:14,159 --> 00:53:17,980
pushing those boundaries ever ever more every year. So now

1008
00:53:17,980 --> 00:53:21,360
let's look at the current comprehensive

1009
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:25,599
plan that we use. So at a glance uh the the update was

1010
00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:29,440
initiated in 2012 and it was an update of that

1011
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:33,079
1999 plan. It was developed in five phases. They had

1012
00:53:33,079 --> 00:53:35,920
significant community involvement throughout.

1013
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,630
There were three guiding groups. The Citizens Advisory

1014
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:40,719
Committee, Technical Advisory Committee,

1015
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:46,159
Denton and then um Denton 2030. Then plan 2030 Ambassadors.

1016
00:53:46,159 --> 00:53:48,800
Um they also did surveys. They had

1017
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:53,599
kickoff meetings. Um they did uh outreach to stakeholders.

1018
00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:55,679
So there they they really worked

1019
00:53:55,679 --> 00:53:59,500
on a robust um public outreach. It was adopted by ordinance

1020
00:53:59,500 --> 00:54:02,800
in February of 2015 and just to give you

1021
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:07,710
a little um a little taste of of their projections. They

1022
00:54:07,710 --> 00:54:10,480
they uh projected that the population in

1023
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:14,300
Denton would increase to over 200,000 people by 2030. So

1024
00:54:14,300 --> 00:54:16,159
that that's a pretty substantial increase.

1025
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,590
So we've talked about the planning literature and what the

1026
00:54:21,590 --> 00:54:23,679
what the standards are for comprehensive

1027
00:54:23,679 --> 00:54:27,309
plans. But now let's talk about how to read our plan. So

1028
00:54:27,309 --> 00:54:29,440
our community vision statement. Before I

1029
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,059
say that, does everyone here have a copy of the

1030
00:54:32,059 --> 00:54:36,800
comprehensive plan? If you do not, we can get you

1031
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:41,199
one. Okay. How many have read the vision statement? All

1032
00:54:41,199 --> 00:54:44,159
right. Good. If you haven't, if you haven't

1033
00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:48,420
had an opportunity yet, it's on pages 14 and 15 of of the

1034
00:54:48,420 --> 00:54:50,960
um comprehensive plan. The comprehensive

1035
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,590
plan also includes 10 elements. Those are chapters and

1036
00:54:54,590 --> 00:54:56,800
those include things like the framework of the

1037
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:01,929
plan, the land use, housing, the mobility, infrastructure.

1038
00:55:01,929 --> 00:55:03,840
So it it includes a lot of

1039
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,099
elements as it comes to to what the city is and what what

1040
00:55:07,099 --> 00:55:10,639
we want it to be. Um each element

1041
00:55:10,639 --> 00:55:14,460
contains some of those some of those points that we talked

1042
00:55:14,460 --> 00:55:17,039
about earlier. The research and analysis,

1043
00:55:17,039 --> 00:55:20,280
which are the basis for the conclusions. And then those

1044
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,960
goals, it has goals, policies, and actions.

1045
00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:25,940
But those are those three elements we talked about earlier.

1046
00:55:25,940 --> 00:55:27,119
The goals, objectives, and

1047
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:32,210
policies. So we call them goals, policies, and actions. And

1048
00:55:32,210 --> 00:55:35,360
then earlier in the presentation,

1049
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,829
I called them goals, objectives, and policies. So they do

1050
00:55:38,829 --> 00:55:41,920
the same thing. It also includes maps like

1051
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,070
the preferred growth map, existing land uses, future land

1052
00:55:45,070 --> 00:55:47,360
use map. So let's talk about the vision

1053
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:51,019
first. So the vision statement, it was the result of all of

1054
00:55:51,019 --> 00:55:53,119
that community outreach that I talked

1055
00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:57,989
about. The surveys, the the meetings, the discussions with

1056
00:55:57,989 --> 00:56:00,800
citizens, with policy makers, with with

1057
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,619
political leaders. And it's organized around four strategic

1058
00:56:04,619 --> 00:56:06,719
directions, which include the character

1059
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,719
of Denton, our people, institutions, and government, the

1060
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,079
strength of the economy, and sound growth.

1061
00:56:16,159 --> 00:56:19,980
Now we'll take at this is just a sample of of a chapter.

1062
00:56:19,980 --> 00:56:22,719
What we'll talk about are the parts of

1063
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,739
the chapter. And this so this can go throughout the plan.

1064
00:56:25,739 --> 00:56:28,000
As you read through it, you can you can

1065
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,639
pull out these these parts. So you kind of give you a

1066
00:56:30,639 --> 00:56:33,360
roadmap to read it. So first of all, you

1067
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,800
know what chapter you're in, because it it talks about it

1068
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,599
here. So we're going to be looking at

1069
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:42,440
element two, which is land use. At the beginning of every

1070
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,360
chapter in this blue box will be the

1071
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:50,400
parts of the vision statement that are are reflected in the

1072
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,800
chapter. So in the land use

1073
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,619
chapter, of course, that those parts that the sound growth

1074
00:56:55,619 --> 00:56:57,440
that that really is where that vision

1075
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:01,860
statement comes into play. There's research and analysis,

1076
00:57:01,860 --> 00:57:04,639
there's tables and graphs throughout

1077
00:57:04,639 --> 00:57:08,960
the the plan, which which give valuable information and

1078
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,480
also give you get wants to give you give you

1079
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:16,519
that supporting evidence for the conclusions. The goals are

1080
00:57:16,519 --> 00:57:19,199
in the dark blue boxes. The plan

1081
00:57:19,199 --> 00:57:22,289
states that they set a general direction and ideal future

1082
00:57:22,289 --> 00:57:24,800
long range and comprehensive in nature

1083
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,619
and used to describe the desired result or outcome.

1084
00:57:28,619 --> 00:57:34,079
policies are in the dark or in the bold.

1085
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:39,170
And they are a specific statement guiding decision makers a

1086
00:57:39,170 --> 00:57:41,760
commitment to a particular course of

1087
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:45,789
action. They describe context and rationale of a desired

1088
00:57:45,789 --> 00:57:47,920
outcome, and they're more specific than

1089
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:52,400
the goals. And then finally, the action statements are then

1090
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,199
underneath the policy statements.

1091
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:59,659
And those are those are specific steps to achieve those

1092
00:57:59,659 --> 00:58:00,960
policy goals.

1093
00:58:03,119 --> 00:58:06,940
So so as you're looking through through the comp plan, it

1094
00:58:06,940 --> 00:58:09,760
flows first from the vision statement

1095
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:13,389
that sets the tone for every everything that we want to do

1096
00:58:13,389 --> 00:58:16,400
within our community. Our goals relate

1097
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,500
to that vision statement in some capacity. And on this

1098
00:58:19,500 --> 00:58:22,000
particular goal, it's to promote development,

1099
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:26,030
which enhances community character and functionality. The

1100
00:58:26,030 --> 00:58:26,639
policies

1101
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,650
support the goals in this one, it's to set a high standard

1102
00:58:31,650 --> 00:58:33,360
of quality design,

1103
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,000
equality in the design in the public realm to enhance the

1104
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:37,679
appearance and functionality.

1105
00:58:37,679 --> 00:58:40,679
And then finally, those action items enhance design

1106
00:58:40,679 --> 00:58:43,199
standards pertaining to aesthetics and

1107
00:58:43,199 --> 00:58:46,210
complete streets for future construction of public rights

1108
00:58:46,210 --> 00:58:47,519
of way and thoroughfares.

1109
00:58:47,519 --> 00:58:51,340
So you can find this trail throughout our comprehensive

1110
00:58:51,340 --> 00:58:52,719
plan in every element.

1111
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:57,380
One one part of the comp plan we look at a lot is the

1112
00:58:57,380 --> 00:59:00,559
future land use map. But I thought we'd talk

1113
00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:03,079
about how it was created because it didn't just spring from

1114
00:59:03,079 --> 00:59:04,719
from nowhere, there was actually a

1115
00:59:04,719 --> 00:59:08,079
process to create it. And it is the basis for the land use

1116
00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:09,599
element for what we do.

1117
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:13,099
It was developed from public input, and it was derived from

1118
00:59:13,099 --> 00:59:15,280
the preferred growth concept. So

1119
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,750
just to if you look on page 20 of your comprehensive plan,

1120
00:59:19,750 --> 00:59:22,639
within part of the public outreach,

1121
00:59:22,639 --> 00:59:27,050
they had they had alternative growth scenarios. One being

1122
00:59:27,050 --> 00:59:29,760
if we did nothing, if we just kept going

1123
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:33,300
as usual, one if we only grew on the corridors, another if

1124
00:59:33,300 --> 00:59:35,360
we grew at the centers, and then if

1125
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:39,449
we grew compactly. So as part of the public outreach, the

1126
00:59:39,449 --> 00:59:41,840
public provided feedback on these

1127
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,199
on these gross scenarios. Richard and I were talking about

1128
00:59:45,199 --> 00:59:47,599
it was interesting about what the

1129
00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:51,420
land use assumptions were back in 2012. When this first

1130
00:59:51,420 --> 00:59:53,760
started, was that the city was going to grow

1131
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,920
toward ropes and ranch, it was going to grow toward the

1132
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,480
southwest. And and really, that's not

1133
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,030
what we've seen. We've seen it really growing to the

1134
01:00:01,030 --> 01:00:04,000
northeast and the east. So so even those

1135
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,820
assumptions that we used back then are have have changed.

1136
01:00:07,820 --> 01:00:14,000
So so the this future land use map was

1137
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,010
derived from the preferred growth concept, which was based

1138
01:00:17,010 --> 01:00:19,119
upon these alternative growth scenarios,

1139
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,150
the existing conditions, capacity studies, you know, where

1140
01:00:23,150 --> 01:00:24,639
we had capacity to grow,

1141
01:00:25,519 --> 01:00:28,360
community priorities, including things like walkability and

1142
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:29,760
trails that we wanted a mix

1143
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:33,400
of uses that we wanted jobs close to home, our community

1144
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,440
character, and then fiscal impact

1145
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,530
analysis, you know, compact growth is more fiscally sound

1146
01:00:38,530 --> 01:00:40,639
because you have fewer roads and water and

1147
01:00:40,639 --> 01:00:45,440
sewer to maintain. So so this is this is the future land

1148
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,800
use map that was created as as result of all

1149
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,679
of that input. I know we talk about a lot, we don't often

1150
01:00:51,679 --> 01:00:53,599
see the entire future land use map.

1151
01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:56,909
We usually just look at it in a more zoomed in point. But

1152
01:00:56,909 --> 01:00:58,960
it's it's a it's a good exercise to

1153
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,300
kind of look at it because it really does reflect what that

1154
01:01:01,300 --> 01:01:02,159
vision is of the city.

1155
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,059
Other items to keep in mind regarding comprehensive

1156
01:01:06,059 --> 01:01:08,000
planning and our plan.

1157
01:01:08,719 --> 01:01:11,980
The plan is comprehensive. So it is easy to get done all

1158
01:01:11,980 --> 01:01:14,559
vision on that future land use map that

1159
01:01:14,559 --> 01:01:17,809
is is really what we look at most on a day to day basis.

1160
01:01:17,809 --> 01:01:20,480
But other goals, policies and actions can

1161
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:24,360
provide us direction. And it's in particularly when we're

1162
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,360
talking about design design items. So

1163
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:32,920
for instance, on page 183, it talks about it talks about to

1164
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:36,559
encourage new development to create

1165
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:39,929
pedestrian and bicycle friendly places. That's not

1166
01:01:39,929 --> 01:01:42,480
necessarily a policy that we talk about when

1167
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,880
we're talking about straight zoning. But when you're

1168
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,039
talking about an SUP or an ADP, that

1169
01:01:47,039 --> 01:01:49,380
certainly comes into play. So that's really vital

1170
01:01:49,380 --> 01:01:51,199
information that we shouldn't ignore.

1171
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,139
And you know, Richard and I were talking about this. And

1172
01:01:55,139 --> 01:01:57,280
when he first came, he got a copy of

1173
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,360
the comp plan, and he read through it, and he marked it up.

1174
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,000
And he teased out those policy

1175
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:06,039
directives, he teased out all that text, because that does,

1176
01:02:06,039 --> 01:02:08,079
it does give context as to what we're

1177
01:02:08,079 --> 01:02:12,280
doing. So it's important to, to look throughout to look at

1178
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,639
the plan as a whole and not just that

1179
01:02:14,639 --> 01:02:18,670
future land use map. As I said before, comprehensive

1180
01:02:18,670 --> 01:02:21,679
planning is as much a process as it is a product.

1181
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,989
Although we have these this document, we want to continue

1182
01:02:25,989 --> 01:02:29,119
the process. And comp plans should be

1183
01:02:29,119 --> 01:02:32,940
updated on a fairly regular basis. And just in terms of

1184
01:02:32,940 --> 01:02:35,039
what we've seen in the in the city,

1185
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,719
Karen in our office did a land use analysis and rezoning

1186
01:02:38,719 --> 01:02:42,159
cases from October 2016 to 2018

1187
01:02:43,119 --> 01:02:47,170
could result top line if they if they developed at their

1188
01:02:47,170 --> 01:02:49,679
maximum density with over 1400,

1189
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:54,030
or 14,000 new dwelling units within the city of Denton. But

1190
01:02:54,030 --> 01:02:56,239
they're not always in the areas

1191
01:02:56,239 --> 01:02:59,869
that we anticipated the growth in terms of that, those

1192
01:02:59,869 --> 01:03:02,320
those future growth scenarios. So,

1193
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:06,510
so how do we address that? How do we address when the when

1194
01:03:06,510 --> 01:03:09,280
the future land use map is not reflecting

1195
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,849
the the direction in which growth is going within the city

1196
01:03:12,849 --> 01:03:17,039
of Denton? So and that's a question we'll

1197
01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:21,590
we'll have to answer. Texas Local Government codes chapter

1198
01:03:21,590 --> 01:03:24,639
211 says that zoning regulations

1199
01:03:24,639 --> 01:03:27,650
must be adopted in accordance with the comprehensive plan.

1200
01:03:27,650 --> 01:03:29,679
So how does that factor into that when we're

1201
01:03:29,679 --> 01:03:33,309
seeing a lot of growth in areas we didn't anticipate and

1202
01:03:33,309 --> 01:03:34,880
faster than we anticipated?

1203
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,699
Now how do how do we deal with that with our comprehensive

1204
01:03:37,699 --> 01:03:39,519
plan? Julie, not that it applies

1205
01:03:39,519 --> 01:03:42,789
to us. But if a comprehensive plan is optional, how does

1206
01:03:42,789 --> 01:03:44,719
that code apply universally?

1207
01:03:46,239 --> 01:03:49,909
If you adopt one, your zoning should follow your comp plan.

1208
01:03:49,909 --> 01:03:51,440
If you don't adopt a comp plan,

1209
01:03:52,719 --> 01:03:55,039
then free for all. Yep, whatever you want.

1210
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:03,710
Did you say Houston? So and Richard, I don't know if you

1211
01:04:03,710 --> 01:04:05,840
want to add anything. No, one thing I just

1212
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,329
wanted to add because we've we've had this conversation as

1213
01:04:08,329 --> 01:04:10,159
part of the the development code

1214
01:04:10,159 --> 01:04:13,809
review committee. When we do have those inconsistencies

1215
01:04:13,809 --> 01:04:15,360
with the with the rezone,

1216
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:17,699
you know, with the zoning and the land use. And where it

1217
01:04:17,699 --> 01:04:19,599
gets particularly challenging is

1218
01:04:19,599 --> 01:04:22,239
when we have a rural designation on the land use plan, you

1219
01:04:22,239 --> 01:04:24,000
know, that's looked at it, you know,

1220
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:26,840
it's being planned at a density of one unit per five acres.

1221
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:29,519
Right. So that's point what point two

1222
01:04:30,559 --> 01:04:33,840
units per per acre. And then we're, you know, we're rez

1223
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,880
oning those parcels, you know, four units an

1224
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:41,050
acre or six units an acre, which is a substantial increase.

1225
01:04:41,050 --> 01:04:43,280
And so luckily, what we've done lately,

1226
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:47,840
as we're looking at at least some of these city initiated

1227
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,960
traffic studies, is still look at,

1228
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,460
you know, use that as the guide, but also step it back

1229
01:04:53,460 --> 01:04:55,119
because we do have instances where

1230
01:04:56,079 --> 01:04:59,119
there is that inconsistency. And so I think what's happened

1231
01:04:59,119 --> 01:05:00,719
previously is, of course,

1232
01:05:00,719 --> 01:05:03,059
everyone goes to the comp plan, because that's supposed to

1233
01:05:03,059 --> 01:05:04,480
be your right, your guiding map.

1234
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,849
But the problem is, we have those we have those inconsisten

1235
01:05:07,849 --> 01:05:10,159
cies. And so part of the discussion

1236
01:05:10,159 --> 01:05:13,429
that we had is should we have those or should should the

1237
01:05:13,429 --> 01:05:15,840
land use be consistent with the zoning

1238
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:19,710
prior? Should the land use change prior to the zoning? I

1239
01:05:19,710 --> 01:05:21,679
know there are some cities in the

1240
01:05:21,679 --> 01:05:26,090
Metroplex that require it. I think the example that we got

1241
01:05:26,090 --> 01:05:28,960
as part of that meeting from from

1242
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:32,190
the outside our outside Land Use Council, she had

1243
01:05:32,190 --> 01:05:35,199
referenced, I guess, a project she was involved

1244
01:05:35,199 --> 01:05:38,500
with in Prosper, where they wanted to change the zoning on

1245
01:05:38,500 --> 01:05:40,960
a parcel. However, the land use had it

1246
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:44,590
as rural. So prior to the, I guess it's a town, not the

1247
01:05:44,590 --> 01:05:47,199
cities prior to the town, reviewing that

1248
01:05:48,079 --> 01:05:50,550
rezoning application, they required them to change the land

1249
01:05:50,550 --> 01:05:51,840
use plan and go and go through

1250
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:54,489
that process. And so I think that's just something to

1251
01:05:54,489 --> 01:05:56,800
consider as we as we're, you know, thinking

1252
01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:00,619
about all of this, as well as as how the new DDC functions,

1253
01:06:00,619 --> 01:06:02,639
but again, also looking at this,

1254
01:06:02,639 --> 01:06:05,960
because once once we move forward with that DDC, this will

1255
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:07,920
be right on its right on its heels,

1256
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,929
looking at sort of updating that, particularly the map, but

1257
01:06:10,929 --> 01:06:12,400
also even some of the policies.

1258
01:06:13,519 --> 01:06:17,340
Commissioner Smith. Thank you, Chair. So Richard and Julie

1259
01:06:17,340 --> 01:06:19,599
as well, whenever we get cases that are

1260
01:06:19,599 --> 01:06:21,679
like that, that is a I mean, I can't remember any off top

1261
01:06:21,679 --> 01:06:23,440
my head. So I know they don't come often.

1262
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:26,449
But I think there's one I can think of specifically that

1263
01:06:26,449 --> 01:06:28,400
was a part of the razor plot that was that

1264
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:32,219
was that was right there off Oak and 35 E and it was rez

1265
01:06:32,219 --> 01:06:35,119
oning to build student housing, to build

1266
01:06:35,119 --> 01:06:38,260
multifamily. I could see that in 2012, there could be a

1267
01:06:38,260 --> 01:06:40,000
citizen who's involved in that in the

1268
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:43,010
comprehensive planning for the 2030 plan to see, well, that

1269
01:06:43,010 --> 01:06:44,480
's all farmland, it's going to be

1270
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,699
farmland, there's not really a whole lot of thought that

1271
01:06:46,699 --> 01:06:48,639
needs to be worried about multifamily going

1272
01:06:48,639 --> 01:06:52,269
there. But then we rezone it. And it's, I guess the last

1273
01:06:52,269 --> 01:06:54,159
time I saw I think we think we did the

1274
01:06:54,159 --> 01:06:57,289
final plot already on it, it's built out there. You know,

1275
01:06:57,289 --> 01:06:59,360
the concerns that are brought up of hey,

1276
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:03,210
this was thought of, and then the 30 plan, this was a rural

1277
01:07:03,210 --> 01:07:05,440
district, this is a rural area.

1278
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:09,280
And we're going from drastic change and shift of use. I

1279
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:12,880
know that's brought up to say, this is not

1280
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:15,530
consistent with the didn't 2030 plan, it goes through, we

1281
01:07:15,530 --> 01:07:17,199
have our presentations, because I've

1282
01:07:17,199 --> 01:07:20,050
sat through enough of those. But I'd almost like to

1283
01:07:20,050 --> 01:07:22,639
encourage as a commissioner to you, Julie,

1284
01:07:22,639 --> 01:07:26,849
the rest of the planning staff of really making that a very

1285
01:07:26,849 --> 01:07:29,519
strong point of saying that, no, no,

1286
01:07:29,519 --> 01:07:32,539
not only is this not consistent, this is really not

1287
01:07:32,539 --> 01:07:35,519
consistent. So do realize what you as a planning

1288
01:07:35,519 --> 01:07:38,739
and zoning commission are about to do is going against

1289
01:07:38,739 --> 01:07:41,199
something that we voted on, you know,

1290
01:07:41,199 --> 01:07:44,780
three years ago, really, an idea that we put forth, because

1291
01:07:44,780 --> 01:07:46,159
we sometimes may say, well,

1292
01:07:46,159 --> 01:07:48,659
this seems like a good development, a good thing. And

1293
01:07:48,659 --> 01:07:50,559
really, it's kind of goes back to I think what

1294
01:07:50,559 --> 01:07:53,179
Andrew was asking, which was, how do we make sure that we

1295
01:07:53,179 --> 01:07:55,199
don't, we as a commission, don't don't

1296
01:07:55,199 --> 01:07:58,829
push the city to growing too fast, because cities can grow

1297
01:07:58,829 --> 01:08:01,280
too fast, i.e. Houston, it can happen that

1298
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:04,289
way. And, and I think I think getting that getting almost

1299
01:08:04,289 --> 01:08:06,400
that that that warning light that red flag

1300
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,519
saying, it's not that it's an inconsistent, you know, some

1301
01:08:09,519 --> 01:08:11,280
mixed use and now it's residential

1302
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,769
or whatever else we're resigning it to, it's really

1303
01:08:13,769 --> 01:08:15,760
inconsistent, just to really make sure

1304
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,109
it's being stressed to us, we know it's a big decision we

1305
01:08:18,109 --> 01:08:19,600
're about to make. I'll get off my

1306
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:23,229
soapbox now. Yeah, supernata. Thanks. I just have a

1307
01:08:23,229 --> 01:08:25,439
question on this. So when we talk about comprehensive

1308
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:27,609
planning, and everything and looking at the things that

1309
01:08:27,609 --> 01:08:29,119
have come through in the last, you know, a

1310
01:08:29,119 --> 01:08:32,239
couple of years, we see about, you know, you know, for over

1311
01:08:32,239 --> 01:08:36,399
14,000 units possibly available. Yet one

1312
01:08:36,399 --> 01:08:39,060
of the things that's becoming crisis in Denton is

1313
01:08:39,060 --> 01:08:42,880
affordable housing. You know, increasingly, we have

1314
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:47,090
less housing that's available to a broad cross section of

1315
01:08:47,090 --> 01:08:50,000
people. What, what is the city, what

1316
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,060
is it, you know, what do you what is, I guess, the approach

1317
01:08:53,060 --> 01:08:55,680
in ensuring that as we grow, we create

1318
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:59,500
an environment in which we have a varied community that can

1319
01:08:59,500 --> 01:09:01,600
live here and contribute to this.

1320
01:09:02,399 --> 01:09:06,970
Well, we have a chapter for that. In our, in our

1321
01:09:06,970 --> 01:09:10,880
comprehensive plan, in element seven talks about

1322
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:17,189
our housing policy and and and the the mix of housing that

1323
01:09:17,189 --> 01:09:20,880
we need and then to make sure that

1324
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:23,699
not only we have the right mix, but that it's maintained

1325
01:09:23,699 --> 01:09:25,840
and that we, you know, that and that

1326
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:28,729
our neighborhoods have good that we're any new

1327
01:09:28,729 --> 01:09:32,239
neighborhoods are, you know, good quality. So

1328
01:09:32,239 --> 01:09:34,430
you may want to take a look at that. I don't know if

1329
01:09:34,430 --> 01:09:37,279
Richard wants to add to that. You know,

1330
01:09:37,279 --> 01:09:41,100
it's a big discussion in the DCRC as well. No, and I think

1331
01:09:41,100 --> 01:09:42,720
it just goes back to that,

1332
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:45,819
just not looking at the map in one chapter, really pulling

1333
01:09:45,819 --> 01:09:48,079
out. And as we start to analyze this and

1334
01:09:48,079 --> 01:09:51,710
talk about the, you know, is it consistent with the plan?

1335
01:09:51,710 --> 01:09:53,840
Really looking at at the entire plan

1336
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,850
and how how it's either consistent or inconsistent, because

1337
01:09:56,850 --> 01:09:58,479
there are there are a lot of other elements,

1338
01:09:59,039 --> 01:10:03,439
particularly when we get into into utilities and level of

1339
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:06,880
service that that that starts to

1340
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:09,510
identify that and that's really what we what we should and

1341
01:10:09,510 --> 01:10:11,279
how we should be using the plan, not

1342
01:10:11,279 --> 01:10:14,810
just just one singular element, particularly particularly.

1343
01:10:14,810 --> 01:10:16,800
It's different when there's a

1344
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:21,060
consistency. But when we have that that true inconsistency,

1345
01:10:21,060 --> 01:10:22,880
I think that's where we really

1346
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:26,699
need to be a little bit more, you know, resourceful and

1347
01:10:26,699 --> 01:10:30,880
staff and look at look at that whole that whole

1348
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:35,989
the whole plan, every element related to that. So I have a

1349
01:10:35,989 --> 01:10:38,960
question that kind of piggybacks

1350
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:42,979
Commissioner Smith and Pernetta. We do a whole lot of

1351
01:10:42,979 --> 01:10:46,239
zoning on the PNZ. We don't do a whole

1352
01:10:46,239 --> 01:10:49,560
lot of planning, typically, just like the tasks that we're

1353
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:51,680
challenged with. It's more zoning than

1354
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:55,710
than planning. In the past, the two past comprehensive

1355
01:10:55,710 --> 01:10:58,079
plans, there has been planning done.

1356
01:10:59,039 --> 01:11:02,859
So I'm curious to know, in both iterations, it seems like

1357
01:11:02,859 --> 01:11:05,199
the plan was or the forecast was to

1358
01:11:05,199 --> 01:11:08,199
have growth to the southeast of town. Now it's in the

1359
01:11:08,199 --> 01:11:12,159
northeast. Was there a disconnect in our

1360
01:11:12,159 --> 01:11:15,010
our enforcement of the planning? Or is that a bad forecast?

1361
01:11:15,010 --> 01:11:18,159
But it seems like if we planned in two

1362
01:11:18,159 --> 01:11:22,760
comprehensive plans, that the growth would be southwest,

1363
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:25,199
don't we have some control over that

1364
01:11:25,199 --> 01:11:29,250
to Commissioner Smith's point? Like what I don't want to

1365
01:11:29,250 --> 01:11:32,159
ramble, but did we not encourage that? Or

1366
01:11:32,159 --> 01:11:35,060
what happened to not know that where we planned growth to

1367
01:11:35,060 --> 01:11:37,920
be, it's not happening? I think it's a

1368
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,930
I think it's a couple of things. I think part of it is, you

1369
01:11:40,930 --> 01:11:42,880
know, a lot of the data that was used

1370
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:45,890
when and I'm not faulting it, it's just that point in time

1371
01:11:45,890 --> 01:11:47,760
when we grab that data, and we came out of

1372
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:51,390
the recession. So the growth that we're having now, I don't

1373
01:11:51,390 --> 01:11:53,279
think was ever anticipated back in

1374
01:11:54,079 --> 01:11:58,479
2014. And so we had ropes and ranch and then there was a we

1375
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:01,439
had the one MPC I can't think of.

1376
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:05,260
Hunter? Is it Hunter Ranch? So we had some very large appro

1377
01:12:05,260 --> 01:12:08,079
vals in that area. And so I think that's

1378
01:12:08,079 --> 01:12:11,369
where it just kind of gravitated there, but also not not

1379
01:12:11,369 --> 01:12:13,920
expecting the amount of growth that that

1380
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:17,449
that we're seeing. I mean, just a mere fact of 14, you know

1381
01:12:17,449 --> 01:12:20,079
, the addition of 14,000 units just

1382
01:12:20,079 --> 01:12:23,899
for rezoning, not saying they're going to be built over

1383
01:12:23,899 --> 01:12:27,760
what was it? 2016? I mean, that is

1384
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:33,539
it's mind blowing, really. And just the amount of projects

1385
01:12:33,539 --> 01:12:34,640
that we have ongoing,

1386
01:12:35,279 --> 01:12:38,079
in addition to properties and annexing in. And so that's

1387
01:12:38,079 --> 01:12:39,680
where it's kind of, hey, let's,

1388
01:12:40,319 --> 01:12:42,409
let's make sure we're bringing as we bring this stuff

1389
01:12:42,409 --> 01:12:44,720
forward. We're really, we're really analyzing

1390
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:48,079
this. Yeah. So I don't know if that answered the it

1391
01:12:48,079 --> 01:12:49,840
certainly does. And I've brought it up before.

1392
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:53,470
And on other cases about how much do we look at the flume

1393
01:12:53,470 --> 01:12:55,279
and stand by it. And it seems like

1394
01:12:56,399 --> 01:13:00,560
conversations in the past couple years, it has been more of

1395
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:03,119
, I mean, it's pretty close to flume.

1396
01:13:03,119 --> 01:13:07,149
But to Commissioner Smith's point, should it be hard and

1397
01:13:07,149 --> 01:13:08,960
fast, like there was a vote, there was

1398
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:11,760
an approval, this is supposed to be low density, let's let

1399
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,239
's keep it rural or low density. And so

1400
01:13:14,239 --> 01:13:18,350
that'd be my only thought throughout there. I got to piggy

1401
01:13:18,350 --> 01:13:20,239
back off. Okay, Commissioner Smith.

1402
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:26,699
Just I didn't know if possibly there's a way for us to, as

1403
01:13:26,699 --> 01:13:28,800
we are adding 14,000 dwellings, you know,

1404
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:33,210
14,000 units could sorry, could. And there was, we'll see,

1405
01:13:33,210 --> 01:13:34,319
we'll go from there.

1406
01:13:37,039 --> 01:13:40,960
Every two years building in some sort of parameter to just

1407
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:42,399
a benchmark, it doesn't seem like it's

1408
01:13:42,399 --> 01:13:46,500
that hard to do just, but benchmarking, we project that by,

1409
01:13:46,500 --> 01:13:48,800
I think it was, you know,

1410
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:51,579
they said project by 2030, we're gonna have, we're gonna be

1411
01:13:51,579 --> 01:13:53,840
a population of 207,000 and change.

1412
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:57,329
But in the last two years, we've had four, we could add

1413
01:13:57,329 --> 01:13:58,720
four, we've rezoned,

1414
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:04,479
Larry, don't punch me. We could add 14,000 new units, by

1415
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:06,800
the way, we rezoned it. Are we outpacing

1416
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:09,270
what their projection is? Because what I would hate to do

1417
01:14:09,270 --> 01:14:10,880
as a planning and zoning commission,

1418
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:14,250
because we see it on such a microscopic level of does this

1419
01:14:14,250 --> 01:14:16,399
make sense where it is now? Yeah,

1420
01:14:16,399 --> 01:14:18,960
it's a little bit outside of the future land use map, but

1421
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:20,960
you know what? Seems like a good project.

1422
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:23,300
It's applicant seems like a nice guy. It's something we

1423
01:14:23,300 --> 01:14:24,960
need. We need to get in there. Yeah,

1424
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:28,119
let's do it. But it's never, it's never the big things that

1425
01:14:28,119 --> 01:14:31,119
kill you. It's the small hole in your

1426
01:14:31,119 --> 01:14:34,260
boat that slowly drowns you and sinks you in your middle of

1427
01:14:34,260 --> 01:14:36,640
the lake. And so I'd hate to be like,

1428
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:39,899
project by project, we start to outpace what our projected

1429
01:14:39,899 --> 01:14:40,800
growth is. And then we

1430
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:44,619
have grown way too fast from what we projected or what we

1431
01:14:44,619 --> 01:14:46,880
expected to. And we look back on it and

1432
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:50,510
we have a congested city and our utilities are, and it's

1433
01:14:50,510 --> 01:14:53,039
not even the enjoyment of living, it's

1434
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:56,180
our utilities can't handle it. Our infrastructure hasn't

1435
01:14:56,180 --> 01:14:58,000
caught up to it because our infrastructure

1436
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:00,850
and utilities are based off a 2030 plan. But the planning

1437
01:15:00,850 --> 01:15:02,399
and zoning is in here looking at it and

1438
01:15:02,399 --> 01:15:06,439
outpacing it by 30, 40%. That makes sense? It'd be nice to

1439
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:08,479
be able to get that benchmarking. So

1440
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:11,310
we know that we're not getting, and I'd hate to, once again

1441
01:15:11,310 --> 01:15:13,039
, I have a soapbox, but I hate to get

1442
01:15:13,039 --> 01:15:15,710
to the point where we're having to tell applicants, we're

1443
01:15:15,710 --> 01:15:17,600
going to have to turn you down because we

1444
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:20,659
already approved somebody three weeks ago for something

1445
01:15:20,659 --> 01:15:22,479
that could be really pushing us or

1446
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:24,939
pushing our dwellings. We should look at it on a case by

1447
01:15:24,939 --> 01:15:26,880
case basis, but we as a planning and zoning

1448
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:30,699
commission need to be more abreast about this is, this

1449
01:15:30,699 --> 01:15:33,520
could be pushing us faster growth than we need

1450
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:37,539
to go as a city because we're not truly able to settle into

1451
01:15:37,539 --> 01:15:42,159
what we are. Sorry. Do you need a

1452
01:15:42,159 --> 01:15:45,199
response or can we keep going? No, I don't need a response.

1453
01:15:45,199 --> 01:15:49,199
I could, I could, Commissioner Sanchez.

1454
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,869
Commissioner Sanchez, you're up. I was just, I look at the

1455
01:15:52,869 --> 01:15:55,840
comprehensive plan as a road map

1456
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,989
that doesn't necessarily have to be, you know, you're

1457
01:15:58,989 --> 01:16:01,199
visiting every five years because you know

1458
01:16:01,199 --> 01:16:04,350
there's things happening and things are changing and I don

1459
01:16:04,350 --> 01:16:06,640
't see it as, you know, written in stone.

1460
01:16:07,199 --> 01:16:10,829
You want to follow it as close as you can, but in the long

1461
01:16:10,829 --> 01:16:12,720
term you have to be, that's why you go

1462
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:15,880
back to it every five years and maybe even every two years.

1463
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:18,079
I think at one time they said when we

1464
01:16:18,079 --> 01:16:20,649
talked about the, you can't visit it as often as two years

1465
01:16:20,649 --> 01:16:23,920
or something like that. It depends on

1466
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:26,930
the growth or what's happening in the city and I think that

1467
01:16:26,930 --> 01:16:28,960
's the important thing is that it's,

1468
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:32,550
to me, it's a document that gives you direction but you don

1469
01:16:32,550 --> 01:16:34,720
't hold it as a, you know, it's not

1470
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:37,939
written in stone. So based on what's going on in the city

1471
01:16:37,939 --> 01:16:40,079
then you have to look at it and say okay

1472
01:16:40,079 --> 01:16:43,119
this is, this is where the growth is going. This is where

1473
01:16:43,119 --> 01:16:45,039
we have to look at it and not just say

1474
01:16:45,039 --> 01:16:47,390
well this is where we should have grown and so we're going

1475
01:16:47,390 --> 01:16:48,800
to force it this way because you're not,

1476
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:53,329
we're not going to force it. The developers and the people,

1477
01:16:53,329 --> 01:16:55,760
the citizens are the ones that actually,

1478
01:16:56,319 --> 01:16:59,609
you know, where they want to build is, so we have to take

1479
01:16:59,609 --> 01:17:02,319
that into, if we become so rigid that this

1480
01:17:02,319 --> 01:17:05,550
is what the comprehensive plan is and we don't adjust then

1481
01:17:05,550 --> 01:17:08,079
we're going to find ourselves in a

1482
01:17:08,079 --> 01:17:11,159
lot of trouble. I think we have to, it's something, it's a

1483
01:17:11,159 --> 01:17:13,439
live document to me. It has to be looked at

1484
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:17,039
on a regular basis based on what's happening at that point

1485
01:17:17,039 --> 01:17:19,199
and if you don't look at it constantly

1486
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:25,289
you're, you're up a creek. Just, I'm going to interject

1487
01:17:25,289 --> 01:17:27,680
real fast so I know two commissioners

1488
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:30,390
are here. Commissioner Sanchez, I think at some point we as

1489
01:17:30,390 --> 01:17:32,479
commission do need to force the issue.

1490
01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:35,760
I understand it's a living document and, but at some point

1491
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:38,319
there were people before us that said

1492
01:17:38,319 --> 01:17:40,270
this is the way we feel our city needs to go and we can't

1493
01:17:40,270 --> 01:17:41,760
just override that and throw that out. We

1494
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:44,300
can't say yeah but a lot of developers wanting to build

1495
01:17:44,300 --> 01:17:46,239
here so let's just go do that in stark

1496
01:17:46,239 --> 01:17:48,649
contrast to what intelligent thoughtful people have put

1497
01:17:48,649 --> 01:17:50,319
forth to begin with. So I think there

1498
01:17:50,319 --> 01:17:53,949
is an ongoing conversation and it could be living but I

1499
01:17:53,949 --> 01:17:57,520
think we're charged here to more often than

1500
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:02,029
not force what the city has has put forth as their plan.

1501
01:18:02,029 --> 01:18:05,520
And I agree but the thing is that decision

1502
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:08,689
was made five, ten years ago. Things have changed and we

1503
01:18:08,689 --> 01:18:10,880
have to be realized that things change

1504
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:13,890
and, and that's why I think it's a living document. You

1505
01:18:13,890 --> 01:18:16,000
have to be looking at it constantly

1506
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:19,079
because decisions that were made just like they made fight

1507
01:18:19,079 --> 01:18:20,880
made that decision that all the growth

1508
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:23,220
is going to be on the south side and all of a sudden you

1509
01:18:23,220 --> 01:18:24,319
have it on the north side.

1510
01:18:25,119 --> 01:18:28,949
People had no clue what was going on so I mean they had a

1511
01:18:28,949 --> 01:18:31,439
clue but it wasn't it wasn't what they

1512
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:34,449
thought it was going to happen. So now you have to readjust

1513
01:18:34,449 --> 01:18:36,479
and say this is what's happening out there

1514
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:39,560
it's growing outside there's a lot of growth outside the

1515
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:41,680
loop something that wasn't probably

1516
01:18:45,199 --> 01:18:47,979
thought of and now we have to readjust and that's what

1517
01:18:47,979 --> 01:18:51,279
happens is as a city grows yes we you have

1518
01:18:51,279 --> 01:18:54,170
certain things going on but at the same it's but at the

1519
01:18:54,170 --> 01:18:56,079
same you have to adjust and I think

1520
01:18:56,079 --> 01:18:59,359
I think you can't be I guess and the reason I say I'm in

1521
01:18:59,359 --> 01:19:02,159
the middle of building some apartments

1522
01:19:02,159 --> 01:19:04,920
and I've had to make some changes hey these were my plans

1523
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:07,119
when I started but then all of a sudden

1524
01:19:07,119 --> 01:19:09,539
we get here and we say okay I got to make these adjustments

1525
01:19:09,539 --> 01:19:11,199
these adjustments these adjustments

1526
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:14,899
or it's not going to work and I think one tool that the

1527
01:19:14,899 --> 01:19:18,479
city has used we don't use it often but

1528
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:22,880
it is but it can be helpful is is things like small area

1529
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:25,279
plans as as an appendix to the

1530
01:19:25,279 --> 01:19:29,100
comprehensive plans to allow you to look more deeply at

1531
01:19:29,100 --> 01:19:32,720
specific areas to determine determine

1532
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:36,829
you know what the vision you know a smaller vision for a

1533
01:19:36,829 --> 01:19:39,359
very localized area to take in the

1534
01:19:39,359 --> 01:19:44,159
benchmarking and and and and and the the surrounding

1535
01:19:44,159 --> 01:19:47,439
property owners and and and the community leaders

1536
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:50,449
and how that's going to move in that direction so I think I

1537
01:19:50,449 --> 01:19:52,399
think we could use all of these tools

1538
01:19:52,399 --> 01:19:55,579
to help us make really good decisions within the city I'm

1539
01:19:55,579 --> 01:19:57,920
just going to point out also that our

1540
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:02,319
code already has a procedure for making amendments to the

1541
01:20:02,319 --> 01:20:04,640
comprehensive plan if needed

1542
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:09,420
it kind of contains an internal governor to keep it from

1543
01:20:09,420 --> 01:20:13,920
being abused I contemplates that that

1544
01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:17,479
you know like say if a property owner initiates a plan

1545
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:20,239
amendment that it would be submitted 90

1546
01:20:20,239 --> 01:20:23,869
days prior to the first meeting of pnz in January April

1547
01:20:23,869 --> 01:20:28,880
July or October and so I think kind of the

1548
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:31,789
intent of that is to keep it from being an ad hoc gee this

1549
01:20:31,789 --> 01:20:34,239
is inconsistent with the future land use

1550
01:20:34,239 --> 01:20:37,250
map let's let's quick amend it and run that simultaneously

1551
01:20:37,250 --> 01:20:38,479
with a zoning amendment

1552
01:20:39,359 --> 01:20:42,550
I I think that the intent here is to try to give some

1553
01:20:42,550 --> 01:20:45,920
legitimacy because I think uh Commissioner

1554
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:49,140
Sanchez is absolutely right you know if if five years is an

1555
01:20:49,140 --> 01:20:51,279
average if you're a fast growing city

1556
01:20:51,279 --> 01:20:54,470
it might be more often than five years if you're a slow

1557
01:20:54,470 --> 01:20:56,960
growing landlocked city then it may be

1558
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:03,430
that that could drag out even further but uh you know as an

1559
01:21:03,430 --> 01:21:06,079
interim measure there is an

1560
01:21:06,079 --> 01:21:09,380
there is an option to do that and we have done that before

1561
01:21:09,380 --> 01:21:12,319
where necessary and I know that

1562
01:21:12,319 --> 01:21:16,239
somebody mentioned uh master plan communities before I know

1563
01:21:16,239 --> 01:21:18,000
that at least in a previous

1564
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:21,069
comprehensive plan we inserted a provision in there that

1565
01:21:21,069 --> 01:21:23,760
said that because a master plan really

1566
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:28,029
is master planned it's like a mini comprehensive plan in

1567
01:21:28,029 --> 01:21:32,319
and of itself and in in providing a variety

1568
01:21:32,319 --> 01:21:37,489
of different uses that uh that that we will allow for that

1569
01:21:37,489 --> 01:21:40,960
as as as part of our comprehensive plan

1570
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:45,819
uh great points jerry per now you've been waiting kusher um

1571
01:21:45,819 --> 01:21:48,560
yeah so uh kind of uh along the lines of

1572
01:21:49,279 --> 01:21:51,779
kind of combining both of what you guys said you know the

1573
01:21:51,779 --> 01:21:53,600
point was raised at the uh you know

1574
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:56,689
the last plan saw greater you know uh growth out heading

1575
01:21:56,689 --> 01:21:58,720
towards ropes and ranch and why didn't

1576
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:02,079
that happen and the first thing in my mind was uh because

1577
01:22:02,079 --> 01:22:04,720
of 35 and the way it um basically clogs

1578
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:07,729
if you ever want to go to Dallas from there I wouldn't want

1579
01:22:07,729 --> 01:22:09,199
to live that far out um I I know

1580
01:22:09,199 --> 01:22:12,100
that we have some expansion on 35 uh you know which may

1581
01:22:12,100 --> 01:22:14,079
provide a little bit of relief before

1582
01:22:14,079 --> 01:22:17,579
bucky's gets here um but when it comes to the growth that

1583
01:22:17,579 --> 01:22:20,560
we're going to see 200 000 people and

1584
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:24,800
everything and and I still see just 35 35 and everything um

1585
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:27,600
how much of this plan uh accommodates

1586
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:31,029
for you know high flow arteries to kind of help people get

1587
01:22:31,029 --> 01:22:33,119
in and out and and make dent in a place

1588
01:22:33,119 --> 01:22:37,520
that you know people don't get stuck in well in a mobility

1589
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:41,119
element it talks about um multimodal

1590
01:22:41,119 --> 01:22:43,729
transportation so probably not going to out you're never

1591
01:22:43,729 --> 01:22:45,520
going to build enough roads to not have

1592
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:48,340
traffic jams so what you have to do is ensure that there's

1593
01:22:48,340 --> 01:22:50,479
multimodal and that and that there's a

1594
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:55,319
mix of uses and so you look at land use um in addition to

1595
01:22:55,319 --> 01:22:58,479
roads land use can drive um can drive

1596
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:01,489
trips vehicle trips so you so part of the plan and part of

1597
01:23:01,489 --> 01:23:03,680
our comprehensive development code is

1598
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:06,960
looking at a mix of uses and and um and the community said

1599
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:08,960
they wanted to live near jobs and

1600
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:13,760
have have um have more compact growth so but yes the growth

1601
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:16,560
is coming and then what road where are

1602
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:18,670
those roads and where are they where are they going to go

1603
01:23:18,670 --> 01:23:20,479
and how are they going to move people around

1604
01:23:21,199 --> 01:23:25,279
our comprehensive plan doesn't is not a full thoroughfare

1605
01:23:25,279 --> 01:23:27,600
plan um I know our engineering

1606
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:30,159
department and I think we're going to have them come talk

1607
01:23:30,159 --> 01:23:32,319
to you guys soon about the planning

1608
01:23:32,319 --> 01:23:35,479
they're doing and in fact um they're and Richard may want

1609
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:37,520
to chime in here they're actually looking

1610
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:40,850
at some studies for very specific areas within the city

1611
01:23:40,850 --> 01:23:43,760
particularly on the northeast and then also

1612
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:46,939
in I believe the Ryan road area because of so many

1613
01:23:46,939 --> 01:23:49,840
developments coming in how are they going to move

1614
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:53,470
people through so they're they're they're trying to get

1615
01:23:53,470 --> 01:23:55,600
ahead of that um it's it's not really

1616
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:59,909
addressed fully in this but with those smaller plans and

1617
01:23:59,909 --> 01:24:03,359
the more local plans hopefully um we

1618
01:24:03,359 --> 01:24:07,810
can address some of those mobility issues. Commissioner

1619
01:24:07,810 --> 01:24:10,239
Smith. Thank you chair and to

1620
01:24:10,239 --> 01:24:13,250
you know to commissioner Sanchez's point plans change you

1621
01:24:13,250 --> 01:24:16,079
know you don't uh I'm I'm in the

1622
01:24:16,079 --> 01:24:18,590
business world so you know any any business which should

1623
01:24:18,590 --> 01:24:20,640
have a five-year vision a five-year plan

1624
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:23,060
put ahead of them if not longer but publicly traded

1625
01:24:23,060 --> 01:24:24,960
companies get bought up in mergers and

1626
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:27,600
acquisitions all the time no one ever plans for those

1627
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:29,760
things and so you're right big things happen

1628
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:32,100
we can't predict that two years from now there might be

1629
01:24:32,100 --> 01:24:33,760
another economic recession and if that

1630
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:36,890
happens our 2030 plan can be easily thrown out the window

1631
01:24:36,890 --> 01:24:39,119
because every developer who went through and

1632
01:24:39,119 --> 01:24:42,170
rezoned for those 14,000 units could say well I just went

1633
01:24:42,170 --> 01:24:43,840
bankrupt or I'm not building right now

1634
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:46,909
because it doesn't economically make sense for me so you're

1635
01:24:46,909 --> 01:24:49,119
right the plan has to be nimble it has

1636
01:24:49,119 --> 01:24:51,829
to be living because it has to pivot but at the same time

1637
01:24:51,829 --> 01:24:53,600
there are a lot of big projects in the

1638
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:55,770
city they get started and I'm not talking just to you

1639
01:24:55,770 --> 01:24:58,800
commissioner Sanchez but the the the city

1640
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:01,239
seems like from what we've seen in planning and zoning is

1641
01:25:01,239 --> 01:25:02,880
that the city comes in and says you know

1642
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:06,810
we're we're basing a lot of our 20 you know our our ideas

1643
01:25:06,810 --> 01:25:09,520
for uh development of infrastructure

1644
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:12,810
development of utilities where we're diverting our tax our

1645
01:25:12,810 --> 01:25:14,720
taxpayers money to be able to grow

1646
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:18,020
is based off the 2030 plan and so it's it's scary because

1647
01:25:18,020 --> 01:25:20,640
there's these big long-term projects that

1648
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:25,439
are dependent upon this document that should be living but

1649
01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:28,000
this is based off a static one point

1650
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:32,039
in time idea plan and so it's like if we don't if we almost

1651
01:25:32,039 --> 01:25:34,640
don't allow for both the long-term

1652
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:37,750
projects and the plan itself to both be nimble enough to be

1653
01:25:37,750 --> 01:25:39,520
moved we could get to the end where

1654
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:42,119
it's like well we were able to move around as a commission

1655
01:25:42,119 --> 01:25:43,840
we were able to move around as a city

1656
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:46,939
council but the long-term plans and the funding and the

1657
01:25:46,939 --> 01:25:49,359
money where that was all directed whenever

1658
01:25:49,359 --> 01:25:52,989
was and and it could be a little bit scary of a deal but I

1659
01:25:52,989 --> 01:25:56,079
just really wish you could push and

1660
01:25:56,079 --> 01:26:00,109
encourage you know after the after the ddc update gets done

1661
01:26:00,109 --> 01:26:02,479
that seeing a comprehensive plan in the

1662
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:05,260
future that has some sort of benchmarking provision in

1663
01:26:05,260 --> 01:26:07,439
there I know jerry just mentioned that we can

1664
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:10,779
make edits to it within the code but some sort of you know

1665
01:26:10,779 --> 01:26:12,880
some macro data some things like

1666
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:16,060
population growth dwelling growth city size some of these

1667
01:26:16,060 --> 01:26:18,079
things that we can have as macro data

1668
01:26:18,079 --> 01:26:20,989
and having two-year benchmarking that that not necessarily

1669
01:26:20,989 --> 01:26:22,960
we're updating the comprehensive plan

1670
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:26,550
but planning and zoning and all the important commissions

1671
01:26:26,550 --> 01:26:28,399
are being updated to say we're out

1672
01:26:28,399 --> 01:26:31,060
pacing in these areas we're under pacing in these areas and

1673
01:26:31,060 --> 01:26:32,960
so just because we don't want to get 10

1674
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:35,300
years down the road and be looking at so we never did

1675
01:26:35,300 --> 01:26:37,600
development in that area why well the 2030

1676
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:40,000
plan said that we were going to be developing in the

1677
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:42,239
southwest but really you're the planning and

1678
01:26:42,239 --> 01:26:45,500
zoning you guys developed it all in the northeast because

1679
01:26:45,500 --> 01:26:47,840
plans came forward people had money and

1680
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:50,840
it's been it you know we we sort of deviated away from the

1681
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:53,439
future land use map it's like well I

1682
01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:56,810
wish we would have known who wouldn't have done that so one

1683
01:26:56,810 --> 01:27:00,159
thing I just wanted to add sort of the

1684
01:27:00,159 --> 01:27:03,800
kind of a a preview what I've had Karen start to do is

1685
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:06,560
start to try to assemble these numbers of

1686
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:10,199
what exactly what are we doing and how do we look at this

1687
01:27:10,199 --> 01:27:12,399
comprehensively and so what we've talked

1688
01:27:12,399 --> 01:27:15,500
about is is putting out what I was calling it dentin by the

1689
01:27:15,500 --> 01:27:17,439
numbers so almost exactly what what

1690
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:20,590
you're what you're speaking about is how many how many re

1691
01:27:20,590 --> 01:27:22,800
zonings have have we've approved during

1692
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:25,510
this period of time of the projects that were approved what

1693
01:27:25,510 --> 01:27:27,840
's been built sort of what's what's

1694
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:30,569
kind of the state of the city in in in that regard and so

1695
01:27:30,569 --> 01:27:32,880
maybe that's something that then we can

1696
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:36,520
just bring here also quarterly discuss but then put in as

1697
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:38,640
part of a work program is you know maybe

1698
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:41,000
it's just an annual you know maybe we start off at annual

1699
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:42,800
or even six months of hey let's take a look

1700
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:45,229
at here's the trends that we've seen and at least the

1701
01:27:45,229 --> 01:27:47,119
projects that where things are moving

1702
01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:49,529
let's take a look let's do our annual review of the comp

1703
01:27:49,529 --> 01:27:51,119
plan and what and what what makes sense

1704
01:27:51,119 --> 01:27:54,439
at least from from a future future land use map perspective

1705
01:27:54,439 --> 01:27:56,640
yeah no no no marathon runner ever runs

1706
01:27:56,640 --> 01:28:00,670
the race and doesn't know what their average mile time is

1707
01:28:00,670 --> 01:28:03,039
that makes sense you know if we're

1708
01:28:03,039 --> 01:28:05,659
saying i want to run i want 26 mile marathon i want to do

1709
01:28:05,659 --> 01:28:07,119
it in two and a half hours which i don't

1710
01:28:07,119 --> 01:28:11,279
think i'd make it 2.6 miles in 26 in two hours but whatever

1711
01:28:11,279 --> 01:28:13,920
so you want to run this 26 mile race but

1712
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:16,800
you know what every single mile your time should be that's

1713
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:18,800
really important benchmarking and so

1714
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:21,439
even coming back saying didn't buy the numbers based off

1715
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:23,680
the 2030 plan we should be trending

1716
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:27,149
in these ways this year our trend was above or below or out

1717
01:28:27,149 --> 01:28:29,760
of whack in these areas just so we

1718
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:32,300
get a pulse because otherwise we're just taking on a case-

1719
01:28:32,300 --> 01:28:34,079
by-case basis and that's that can be

1720
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:37,569
it gives it lets us be nimble but also could be really

1721
01:28:37,569 --> 01:28:41,520
dangerous so commissioner cole yeah some

1722
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:46,119
of this you know like 2006 southwest didn't was supposed to

1723
01:28:46,119 --> 01:28:48,479
be developed but guess what happened

1724
01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:52,300
the recession so all these moving parts that's why i like

1725
01:28:52,300 --> 01:28:54,880
the living breathing part of this is

1726
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:58,229
because you don't know when the next one's going to be you

1727
01:28:58,229 --> 01:29:00,640
know so what restricts west of 35

1728
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:03,819
development where it all happened northeast well there's no

1729
01:29:03,819 --> 01:29:05,920
services infrastructure west of 35

1730
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:10,149
there's no sewer robson ranch has their own sewer system

1731
01:29:10,149 --> 01:29:12,720
you know there's there's no sewer

1732
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:15,729
so there's not going to be any growth so where did it all

1733
01:29:15,729 --> 01:29:17,439
have to go i had to go northeast

1734
01:29:18,159 --> 01:29:22,739
because also all the developers out southwest got locked

1735
01:29:22,739 --> 01:29:25,439
out in the recession i guess except

1736
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:29,689
he would you know but i'm sure you know we don't know when

1737
01:29:29,689 --> 01:29:32,479
they're going to be ready to go but i'm

1738
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:38,270
sure that's that's not far i'm sure hunter ranch you know

1739
01:29:38,270 --> 01:29:43,039
first phase is not that far away but what

1740
01:29:43,039 --> 01:29:46,670
happens in two years if the we have another recession you

1741
01:29:46,670 --> 01:29:49,680
know i mean that's because if 2006

1742
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:54,689
seven eight hadn't happened southwest didn't probably be

1743
01:29:54,689 --> 01:29:58,479
right now developed somewhat you know

1744
01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:02,300
but there's all these unforeseen circumstances that happen

1745
01:30:02,300 --> 01:30:04,319
and conditions you know like i said

1746
01:30:04,319 --> 01:30:07,630
there's you know there's just the infrastructure doesn't

1747
01:30:07,630 --> 01:30:10,880
exist out there so but it does up to the

1748
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:15,680
east but you know i do like revisiting it ever so often

1749
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:19,119
because you don't know what's coming around

1750
01:30:19,119 --> 01:30:22,149
the corner you know because two years can be another

1751
01:30:22,149 --> 01:30:24,960
recession we don't know that you know

1752
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:28,880
and that's going to scramble everything

1753
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:33,140
julie i don't know if your presentation was done but we

1754
01:30:33,140 --> 01:30:36,000
went you were good awesome i have one more

1755
01:30:37,039 --> 01:30:40,680
all right i don't have any cool further reading or blogs or

1756
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:43,279
podcasts for you but my homework is

1757
01:30:43,279 --> 01:30:46,359
to read your debt and plan 2030 um you'll have some great

1758
01:30:46,359 --> 01:30:48,239
questions particular questions about

1759
01:30:48,239 --> 01:30:51,880
mobility and affordable housing if you'll have any other

1760
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:54,159
questions um boot camp topics that you

1761
01:30:54,159 --> 01:30:57,979
want to go over in detail let us know and i'll i'm just i'm

1762
01:30:57,979 --> 01:31:00,640
just throwing them in there so um feel

1763
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:02,520
free and then i could come back with a more robust

1764
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:04,239
presentation regarding those questions

1765
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:09,420
julie thank you so much presentation was awesome and thanks

1766
01:31:09,420 --> 01:31:11,760
for city staff getting us in time to

1767
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:14,250
let us talk and breathe and not feel rushed so uh i

1768
01:31:14,250 --> 01:31:16,720
appreciate everyone being here early and

1769
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:20,970
letting us do that tonight uh the last thing we have is the

1770
01:31:20,970 --> 01:31:23,279
october 24th uh planning zoning

1771
01:31:23,279 --> 01:31:25,989
commission is going to be a full schedule it looks like

1772
01:31:25,989 --> 01:31:28,000
with uh potentially a lot on the agenda

1773
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:32,189
and for those who don't know the planning zoning commission

1774
01:31:32,189 --> 01:31:34,399
uh members also serve on the capital

1775
01:31:34,399 --> 01:31:38,220
improvements advisory committee that meets twice a year and

1776
01:31:38,220 --> 01:31:40,159
we need to have a meeting so we need

1777
01:31:40,159 --> 01:31:43,270
to talk about start time for the work session because we

1778
01:31:43,270 --> 01:31:45,439
also have ps wanting to give a traffic

1779
01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:49,479
transportation update so richard right now correctly wrong

1780
01:31:49,479 --> 01:31:52,319
we're going to try to start at 4 30 but we're

1781
01:31:52,319 --> 01:31:56,140
needing to see if four clocks possible for the ciac meeting

1782
01:31:56,140 --> 01:31:58,800
correct and then also we have we have

1783
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:03,770
i think right now um 11 applications uh that would be under

1784
01:32:03,770 --> 01:32:07,359
review um some of those are on on consent

1785
01:32:07,359 --> 01:32:10,189
um but there is there is some there are some heavy lifting

1786
01:32:10,189 --> 01:32:12,319
items uh with respect to some uh some of

1787
01:32:12,319 --> 01:32:15,949
the rezoning's that are that are coming forward and sups on

1788
01:32:15,949 --> 01:32:20,319
that on that agenda and so could start at

1789
01:32:20,319 --> 01:32:23,489
three um but given that we we have to have that capital

1790
01:32:23,489 --> 01:32:26,239
improvements advisory committee meeting

1791
01:32:26,239 --> 01:32:29,869
does it make sense to move the discussion on traffic to the

1792
01:32:29,869 --> 01:32:31,520
note to the first meeting in

1793
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:34,079
november so that that gives a little bit more time

1794
01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:39,090
because i know we've been talking about it and i've i just

1795
01:32:39,090 --> 01:32:41,520
didn't want to not have it on there and

1796
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:44,079
then you guys you know i just wanted to bring it bring it

1797
01:32:44,079 --> 01:32:47,760
to everyone's attention yeah kishorel's

1798
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:50,840
thank you chair yeah i i'd be for moving it because we've

1799
01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:52,880
waited a long time for that discussion

1800
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:56,560
it's going to end up being seven minutes long if that with

1801
01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:58,560
an agenda like like what we have ahead

1802
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:01,630
of us so i think to be a worthy true work session

1803
01:33:01,630 --> 01:33:05,600
discussion i think we need to move it so for for

1804
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:08,890
just helping get this done by a show of hands can everyone

1805
01:33:08,890 --> 01:33:11,039
raise their hand if they're okay with

1806
01:33:11,039 --> 01:33:15,079
pushing the transportation meeting from 1024 on the nove

1807
01:33:15,079 --> 01:33:17,279
mber schedule is everyone okay with that

1808
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:22,189
pushing transportation update that was on the 24th to the

1809
01:33:22,189 --> 01:33:24,800
first meeting in november if you're

1810
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:27,890
okay with that if you could raise your hand if not in nove

1811
01:33:27,890 --> 01:33:29,760
mber first meeting in november

1812
01:33:32,239 --> 01:33:35,880
14th i'm good with 14 so are we okay so we'll push

1813
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:40,720
transportation to the next meeting and then

1814
01:33:40,720 --> 01:33:44,539
with the ciac is it possible for p and z to start our

1815
01:33:44,539 --> 01:33:47,600
meeting at four o'clock on the 24th

1816
01:33:50,479 --> 01:33:54,300
so i'm getting nods four o'clock is doable fine with me

1817
01:33:54,300 --> 01:33:56,640
would buy me too so if we can do it for

1818
01:33:56,640 --> 01:34:02,000
perfect uh does that work on that item yep perfect uh so

1819
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:02,880
with that we will close the

1820
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:17,920
work session at 6 14 we'll meet in council chambers at 6 30

1821
01:34:22,319 --> 01:34:23,689
good evening and welcome to the planning zoning commission

1822
01:34:23,689 --> 01:34:28,000
for october 10th 2018 we will start

1823
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:31,630
the meeting at 6 36 first order of business is to stand and

1824
01:34:31,630 --> 01:34:33,760
give a pledge of allegiance to the u.s.

1825
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:36,399
and texas flag

1826
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:50,399
one nation

1827
01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:59,840
texas one state

1828
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:07,720
the next item on the agenda will be consider approval of

1829
01:35:07,720 --> 01:35:10,560
the planning and zoning minutes i

1830
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:13,819
open the floor to discussion or motion commissioner prun

1831
01:35:13,819 --> 01:35:14,159
etta

1832
01:35:16,960 --> 01:35:20,079
i'd like to request an adjustment to the meeting minutes on

1833
01:35:20,079 --> 01:35:23,119
uh page six with regard to item five b

1834
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:27,199
my vote was actually an i and it's listed as a recused

1835
01:35:31,359 --> 01:35:34,550
thank you for the notation is there any discussion or

1836
01:35:34,550 --> 01:35:35,520
motion

1837
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:41,449
commissioner smith motion approved with uh commissioner pr

1838
01:35:41,449 --> 01:35:44,319
unettas uh edits thank you

1839
01:35:44,319 --> 01:35:47,329
commissioner beck second we have a first and a second any

1840
01:35:47,329 --> 01:35:50,640
other discussion we'll call for a

1841
01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:55,039
vote on the board

1842
01:36:02,159 --> 01:36:04,350
motion passes seven zero that'll move us directly into our

1843
01:36:04,350 --> 01:36:08,000
public hearings as a point of order

1844
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:16,560
item 3a s 18-008 b has been postponed the staff is working

1845
01:36:16,560 --> 01:36:18,000
through some issues that have come up

1846
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:22,039
and so that will be reposted and brought before the p and z

1847
01:36:22,039 --> 01:36:23,600
at a date in the future

1848
01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:32,159
continuing on we'll move to item 3b item is z 18-0014

1849
01:36:33,119 --> 01:36:35,250
we can call upon julie for presentation i'll open the

1850
01:36:35,250 --> 01:36:36,239
public hearing

1851
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:43,079
good evening i'm julie wyatt senior planner with the city

1852
01:36:43,079 --> 01:36:46,800
of denton and i'm presenting z 18-14

1853
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:50,619
commercial rezoning the request before you is to hold a

1854
01:36:50,619 --> 01:36:52,479
public hearing and consider a

1855
01:36:52,479 --> 01:36:57,449
recommendation regarding a rezoning from pd 115 district to

1856
01:36:57,449 --> 01:36:59,600
rcc district on approximately nine

1857
01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:02,689
acres the subject property is located on the north side of

1858
01:37:02,689 --> 01:37:06,000
the city in the general area of

1859
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:15,210
loop 288 highway 77 and bonnie bray more specifically the

1860
01:37:15,210 --> 01:37:17,439
request is to um well more

1861
01:37:17,439 --> 01:37:20,760
specifically regarding the pd i guess i should say is is

1862
01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:23,199
that it was uh the detail plan for the pd

1863
01:37:23,199 --> 01:37:27,489
was approved in 2004 and that included a 10 000 square foot

1864
01:37:27,489 --> 01:37:29,680
church along with the accessory school

1865
01:37:29,680 --> 01:37:33,260
or daycare uses the applicant that it was never developed

1866
01:37:33,260 --> 01:37:35,600
so the applicant would like to rezone

1867
01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:39,229
the property in order to develop the site with a uh a mixed

1868
01:37:39,229 --> 01:37:41,600
use development a question came up at

1869
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:45,850
work session is you know how did this small area of pd how

1870
01:37:45,850 --> 01:37:48,479
is it still here i did a little a little

1871
01:37:48,479 --> 01:37:52,300
looking around and this actually is is a part of the pd to

1872
01:37:52,300 --> 01:37:54,720
the south so it was the northern most

1873
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:59,140
part of tracked of this pd and pd 115 then goes further to

1874
01:37:59,140 --> 01:38:04,239
the south so as you can see here if if

1875
01:38:04,239 --> 01:38:07,250
the rezoning was it would was approved then the map would

1876
01:38:07,250 --> 01:38:08,880
be modified to look like this

1877
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:11,949
so our criteria for approval are in sub chapter three of

1878
01:38:11,949 --> 01:38:14,000
the denton development code first does

1879
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:17,640
it comply with the future land use plan and then is their

1880
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:19,920
adequate provision of water sewer

1881
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:23,770
transportation and other public infrastructure so first we

1882
01:38:23,770 --> 01:38:26,399
'll look at the denton plan 2030

1883
01:38:26,399 --> 01:38:30,220
the subject property is located in the business innovation

1884
01:38:30,220 --> 01:38:32,560
designation of the future land use map

1885
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:36,189
the intent is to provide for large employment centers and

1886
01:38:36,189 --> 01:38:38,640
also supporting uses such as retail

1887
01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:41,880
restaurant hotel and then higher density residential the

1888
01:38:41,880 --> 01:38:45,600
the future land use is is intended to provide

1889
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:49,229
broad policy goals so that several zoning districts could

1890
01:38:49,229 --> 01:38:52,960
fit within those and meet those goals rcc

1891
01:38:52,960 --> 01:38:56,250
district in this instance and this location does beat it

1892
01:38:56,250 --> 01:38:58,880
particularly because it's close to areas

1893
01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:01,500
that will eventually develop with more lower density

1894
01:39:01,500 --> 01:39:03,439
residential here to the south there's

1895
01:39:03,439 --> 01:39:07,069
also some institutional uses around so it makes sense to

1896
01:39:07,069 --> 01:39:09,279
have those supporting uses like

1897
01:39:09,279 --> 01:39:12,159
retail and commercial uses less of those industrial type

1898
01:39:12,159 --> 01:39:14,239
uses that you might typically see

1899
01:39:14,239 --> 01:39:16,880
in a business innovation zone uh future land use

1900
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:20,079
designation so rccd does meet the intent of it

1901
01:39:20,720 --> 01:39:23,750
also in addition that the access to the site the loop 288

1902
01:39:23,750 --> 01:39:25,359
as well as highway 77

1903
01:39:25,359 --> 01:39:28,310
provides the access and visibility necessary for retail

1904
01:39:28,310 --> 01:39:31,920
development the concept plan in front of

1905
01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:34,789
you was provided by the applicant as part of a trip

1906
01:39:34,789 --> 01:39:38,399
generation analysis the the request tonight

1907
01:39:38,399 --> 01:39:41,529
is not an approval of this concept plan to really approve

1908
01:39:41,529 --> 01:39:43,760
or a recommendation for approval of the

1909
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:46,949
zoning district and the uses and development scale

1910
01:39:46,949 --> 01:39:49,840
associated with it this concept plan really is

1911
01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:54,069
a more of a discussion item to talk about trip generation

1912
01:39:54,069 --> 01:39:57,039
so the subject property they looked

1913
01:39:57,039 --> 01:40:00,670
at that as well as the adjacent property so an entire 32

1914
01:40:00,670 --> 01:40:02,800
acre that entire corner there at loop

1915
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:07,479
288 and highway 77 and they developed some land use

1916
01:40:07,479 --> 01:40:10,880
assumptions in which to base the trips on

1917
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:13,890
and that would include that included 400 multi-family dwell

1918
01:40:13,890 --> 01:40:15,359
ings as well as 122 000

1919
01:40:15,359 --> 01:40:19,380
square feet of retail the it trip generation manual

1920
01:40:19,380 --> 01:40:22,319
indicated that that would generate about

1921
01:40:22,319 --> 01:40:27,770
9800 trips 391 being in the am peak and then 833 in the

1922
01:40:27,770 --> 01:40:30,399
evening peak which is a lot of trips

1923
01:40:31,119 --> 01:40:35,039
in addition to future development in the area there's

1924
01:40:35,039 --> 01:40:38,319
significant proposed and also in

1925
01:40:38,319 --> 01:40:41,409
construction development in this general area just to look

1926
01:40:41,409 --> 01:40:43,600
at those briefly first of all you may be

1927
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:46,699
aware that the the new dent in high school is proposed to

1928
01:40:46,699 --> 01:40:48,640
be located in this general area

1929
01:40:49,279 --> 01:40:52,920
you've got the unt discovery park here that's that's

1930
01:40:52,920 --> 01:40:56,000
operational townhome development we've

1931
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:59,630
got multi-family development and a regional park there's

1932
01:40:59,630 --> 01:41:01,439
also a single-family residential

1933
01:41:01,439 --> 01:41:04,449
development that is is anticipated to come before you soon

1934
01:41:04,449 --> 01:41:05,680
so there's a lot going on

1935
01:41:06,239 --> 01:41:09,079
and and a lot of trips being generated by all of these uses

1936
01:41:09,079 --> 01:41:11,600
and so our engineering department

1937
01:41:11,600 --> 01:41:13,939
looked at that and felt like we we needed to get ahead of

1938
01:41:13,939 --> 01:41:15,840
some of the mobility issues in this area

1939
01:41:16,399 --> 01:41:19,420
and because of that they've they've determined they're

1940
01:41:19,420 --> 01:41:22,079
going to extend some bonnie bray

1941
01:41:22,079 --> 01:41:25,979
improvements north of university to this area and that

1942
01:41:25,979 --> 01:41:28,399
would include capacity and safety

1943
01:41:28,399 --> 01:41:32,439
improvements stormwater and utility relocations the intent

1944
01:41:32,439 --> 01:41:34,479
is to to provide a four-lane divided

1945
01:41:34,479 --> 01:41:38,109
arterial in this location and the it's currently under

1946
01:41:38,109 --> 01:41:40,720
design the final alignment has not been

1947
01:41:40,720 --> 01:41:45,609
determined but it is it is being studied and we'll know it

1948
01:41:45,609 --> 01:41:48,640
in the beginning part of next year

1949
01:41:48,640 --> 01:41:52,869
so it's either going to track to the west here shown here

1950
01:41:52,869 --> 01:41:55,520
or it would track to the east so we

1951
01:41:55,520 --> 01:41:57,739
just we just don't know what's going to be target

1952
01:41:57,739 --> 01:42:00,000
construction is to begin in late 2019

1953
01:42:00,640 --> 01:42:03,289
and it's supposed to be completed in time for the high

1954
01:42:03,289 --> 01:42:04,239
school to open

1955
01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:09,550
sorry in addition to mobility and the future land use we

1956
01:42:09,550 --> 01:42:11,279
also looked at the compatibility

1957
01:42:11,279 --> 01:42:14,479
of the zoning request there's not a lot of development out

1958
01:42:14,479 --> 01:42:15,920
here yet but there there is

1959
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:19,550
zoning that affects it and in particular the rccd there's

1960
01:42:19,550 --> 01:42:22,479
quite a bit of it along north loop 288 so

1961
01:42:23,199 --> 01:42:25,739
if this zoning is approved it would be a logical extension

1962
01:42:25,739 --> 01:42:27,920
of that existing zoning pattern

1963
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:31,550
any development that then moves forward in this general

1964
01:42:31,550 --> 01:42:33,760
area and on these corridors would be

1965
01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:37,390
compatible both in use and development scale as they would

1966
01:42:37,390 --> 01:42:38,880
all be in that same governing

1967
01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:41,600
zoning district development must comply with all ddc

1968
01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:43,920
requirements that includes tree preservation

1969
01:42:43,920 --> 01:42:48,060
site design lighting tree canopy and screening water and

1970
01:42:48,060 --> 01:42:50,800
sewer are not currently available so

1971
01:42:51,600 --> 01:42:54,270
so this they'll have to be extended as part of any

1972
01:42:54,270 --> 01:42:58,159
development here a notification was sent out of

1973
01:42:58,159 --> 01:43:01,420
the property we haven't received any responses and based

1974
01:43:01,420 --> 01:43:03,359
upon the criteria for approval and

1975
01:43:03,359 --> 01:43:06,369
staff's analysis we do recommend approval of the request

1976
01:43:06,369 --> 01:43:07,840
the applicant is here if you have

1977
01:43:07,840 --> 01:43:11,659
any questions and i will stand for any questions christ

1978
01:43:11,659 --> 01:43:14,000
opher beck thank you chair thanks julie i

1979
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:19,149
noticed that uh rccd on residential uses it does allow

1980
01:43:19,149 --> 01:43:23,039
attached single-family dwellings does not

1981
01:43:23,039 --> 01:43:26,159
allow single-family building so attached would be talking

1982
01:43:26,159 --> 01:43:27,920
about like town homes things of that

1983
01:43:27,920 --> 01:43:31,550
nature yes sir okay and it doesn't allow any manufacturing

1984
01:43:31,550 --> 01:43:33,520
housing building but cedar okay the

1985
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:36,810
only reason i asked because this was a specific area i was

1986
01:43:36,810 --> 01:43:38,960
looking at for tiny homes so that was

1987
01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:42,800
my concern about that anyway thank you i don't see any

1988
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:46,800
other questions for you julie thank you

1989
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:49,710
for your presentation this is a public hearing anyone

1990
01:43:49,710 --> 01:43:51,119
wishing to speak may do so

1991
01:43:54,640 --> 01:43:57,279
if you do you just need to come down state your name and

1992
01:43:57,279 --> 01:43:59,039
your address we can fill out a card later

1993
01:44:04,640 --> 01:44:05,850
what i would ask the commission if you have questions for

1994
01:44:05,850 --> 01:44:08,319
the applicant let's do that

1995
01:44:08,319 --> 01:44:10,699
in the public hearing before i close it out so if there's

1996
01:44:10,699 --> 01:44:12,159
anything that needs to be brought up from

1997
01:44:12,159 --> 01:44:14,649
the public questioning that so if you have questions for

1998
01:44:14,649 --> 01:44:16,800
the applicant let's do that before we close

1999
01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:23,119
public hearing and i don't see any so with that i'll go

2000
01:44:23,119 --> 01:44:26,159
ahead and close the public hearing open

2001
01:44:26,159 --> 01:44:30,960
this for discussion or motion commissioner smith motion for

2002
01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:33,359
approval commissioner sanchez

2003
01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:38,560
we have a first and a second any discussion

2004
01:44:40,640 --> 01:44:42,319
seeing none we call for a vote on the board

2005
01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:51,359
okay motion carries seven zero

2006
01:44:54,479 --> 01:44:58,300
that moves us to our last item for the public hearing item

2007
01:44:58,300 --> 01:45:02,000
three c z 18 dash zero zero

2008
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:05,930
18 a i will open the public hearing and call cindy jackson

2009
01:45:05,930 --> 01:45:09,039
for presentation thank you

2010
01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:23,039
so

2011
01:45:27,279 --> 01:45:30,630
z 18 dash zero zero one eight is a request for approval of

2012
01:45:30,630 --> 01:45:35,600
a rezoning of a 20.7 acre site

2013
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:35,600
from the nr4 neighborhood residential district to the nrmu

2014
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:44,000
neighborhood mixed use 12 zoning district

2015
01:45:44,640 --> 01:45:48,270
site is located north of mckinney street which you can see

2016
01:45:48,270 --> 01:45:51,279
along here east of the loop which is here

2017
01:45:51,840 --> 01:45:54,159
and north of duchess which is along here

2018
01:45:56,239 --> 01:45:59,880
current zoning as you can see is nr4 the request the

2019
01:45:59,880 --> 01:46:03,760
proposed zoning nrmu 12 is an extension

2020
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:07,579
of the existing nrmu 12 that is located to the north of the

2021
01:46:07,579 --> 01:46:07,840
site

2022
01:46:10,399 --> 01:46:14,609
the applicant's proposed concept plan can be seen here the

2023
01:46:14,609 --> 01:46:16,560
applicant is proposing a

2024
01:46:19,039 --> 01:46:22,189
townhouse development that will be developed as a multi-

2025
01:46:22,189 --> 01:46:22,960
family

2026
01:46:24,239 --> 01:46:27,880
development in that the townhouses won't be on their own

2027
01:46:27,880 --> 01:46:30,479
individual lots they'll be on one single

2028
01:46:30,479 --> 01:46:34,439
lot and but however they will be sold a condo style the

2029
01:46:34,439 --> 01:46:37,039
applicant is proposing no more than six

2030
01:46:37,039 --> 01:46:41,579
dwelling units per acre and the development respects the

2031
01:46:41,579 --> 01:46:44,800
topography of the area which is

2032
01:46:45,680 --> 01:46:48,949
very high in the middle of the site and then goes down 28

2033
01:46:48,949 --> 01:46:53,279
feet around the perimeter as well as

2034
01:46:53,279 --> 01:46:56,109
preserving as many trees as possible and i just want to

2035
01:46:56,109 --> 01:46:58,000
note that the minimum preservation

2036
01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:01,819
requirement for the site would be 12.5 percent of the

2037
01:47:01,819 --> 01:47:03,119
existing tree canopy

2038
01:47:06,239 --> 01:47:09,420
the purpose of the nr as i noted earlier the purpose for

2039
01:47:09,420 --> 01:47:12,560
the nrmu 12 is to facilitate this

2040
01:47:12,560 --> 01:47:17,920
development as well as a on one lot instead of them being

2041
01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:21,359
on separate lots even though the

2042
01:47:21,359 --> 01:47:25,460
proposed density is nr6 excuse me is six dwelling units per

2043
01:47:25,460 --> 01:47:28,960
acre the multi-family concept would not

2044
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:37,039
be permitted in the nr4 nr6 zoning district an xup will be

2045
01:47:37,039 --> 01:47:40,720
required once if the zoning is approved to

2046
01:47:40,720 --> 01:47:45,850
move forward with this development when looking at rezon

2047
01:47:45,850 --> 01:47:50,079
ings we we have some criteria that we need

2048
01:47:50,079 --> 01:47:53,359
to follow per the dent development code the first question

2049
01:47:53,359 --> 01:47:55,600
is does the request conform to the future

2050
01:47:55,600 --> 01:47:58,750
land use plan and would there be adequate provision of

2051
01:47:58,750 --> 01:48:01,840
transportation water sewer schools parks etc

2052
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:08,159
the the future land use designation of the site is moderate

2053
01:48:08,159 --> 01:48:11,439
residential which promotes single family

2054
01:48:11,439 --> 01:48:14,550
housing on small lots with a density of between four and

2055
01:48:14,550 --> 01:48:17,680
twelve dwelling units per acre the types

2056
01:48:17,680 --> 01:48:21,020
and uses and scale of development permitted in the nrmu 12

2057
01:48:21,020 --> 01:48:23,439
district do conform with the goals of the

2058
01:48:23,439 --> 01:48:27,970
moderate residential designation and with regards to

2059
01:48:27,970 --> 01:48:31,760
density use town homes are encouraged in this

2060
01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:37,039
in this designation and it's also encouraged to be used as

2061
01:48:37,039 --> 01:48:40,720
a buffer between residential

2062
01:48:41,680 --> 01:48:45,600
which this is single family attached duplexes to the south

2063
01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:49,600
and the more intense uses along mckinney

2064
01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:53,770
street specifically a church a multi-proposed multi-family

2065
01:48:53,770 --> 01:48:57,119
development and an electrical transformer

2066
01:48:57,119 --> 01:49:03,880
site i already did that the requested nrmu 12 district is a

2067
01:49:03,880 --> 01:49:07,279
continuation of the nrmu 12 district

2068
01:49:07,279 --> 01:49:11,100
to the north as previously noted the use is permitted in

2069
01:49:11,100 --> 01:49:13,279
the nrmu 12 district would be

2070
01:49:13,279 --> 01:49:16,399
consistent with the uses that exist today which are

2071
01:49:16,399 --> 01:49:19,439
moderate density residential uses the nrmu

2072
01:49:19,439 --> 01:49:23,670
12 district also permits some neighborhood scale commercial

2073
01:49:23,670 --> 01:49:26,239
uses however we're proposing an overlay

2074
01:49:26,239 --> 01:49:32,630
to restrict that those uses the development must comply

2075
01:49:32,630 --> 01:49:38,479
with all esa tree vet preservation buffer

2076
01:49:38,479 --> 01:49:42,119
screening tree canopy and lighting requirements water and

2077
01:49:42,119 --> 01:49:44,159
wastewater are available to the site

2078
01:49:44,159 --> 01:49:48,720
from trailhead lane and then there's also water available

2079
01:49:48,720 --> 01:49:54,560
from lane lane drive and from muckingbird

2080
01:49:57,439 --> 01:50:01,079
we sent out notices within 200 feet of the site via

2081
01:50:01,079 --> 01:50:04,640
certified mail and postcard notices

2082
01:50:04,640 --> 01:50:07,880
courtesy notices within 500 feet of the site we received

2083
01:50:07,880 --> 01:50:11,520
one response back in favor which is just

2084
01:50:11,520 --> 01:50:15,689
this right here this corner right here it's hard to see

2085
01:50:15,689 --> 01:50:19,680
that little corner represents 0.5 percent

2086
01:50:19,680 --> 01:50:23,500
of the land area within the 200 foot buffer three signs

2087
01:50:23,500 --> 01:50:25,359
were also posted on the site and there's

2088
01:50:25,359 --> 01:50:29,180
pictures of them in your backup staff recommends approval

2089
01:50:29,180 --> 01:50:31,680
of this request with a mixed use protection

2090
01:50:31,680 --> 01:50:34,869
overlay including the following conditions the use of the

2091
01:50:34,869 --> 01:50:37,119
site is limited to multi-family townhouse

2092
01:50:37,119 --> 01:50:40,359
to style style development with a maximum permitted density

2093
01:50:40,359 --> 01:50:42,079
of six dwelling units per acre

2094
01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:45,630
and the proposed northern access drive to mckinney street

2095
01:50:45,630 --> 01:50:48,239
shall be utilized as an ems emergency

2096
01:50:48,239 --> 01:50:51,239
medical service access only and that concludes my

2097
01:50:51,239 --> 01:50:54,159
presentation and the applicant is present as well

2098
01:50:55,920 --> 01:50:57,350
thank you cindy for the presentation i don't see any

2099
01:50:57,350 --> 01:50:58,880
questions at this time

2100
01:51:00,960 --> 01:51:02,079
oh commissioner sanchez

2101
01:51:07,119 --> 01:51:12,229
are you okay let's see yeah right there okay you have

2102
01:51:12,229 --> 01:51:15,279
mockingbird which is going to you said that

2103
01:51:15,279 --> 01:51:18,010
earlier we were told that that was going to be extended all

2104
01:51:18,010 --> 01:51:21,520
the way to mckinney mckinney has any

2105
01:51:21,520 --> 01:51:25,159
discussion been talked about that in the future maybe

2106
01:51:25,159 --> 01:51:28,000
having a road coming off mckinney and into

2107
01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:33,039
that development as a second access to to that not yet not

2108
01:51:33,039 --> 01:51:36,159
yet again as i noted previously this

2109
01:51:36,159 --> 01:51:39,319
is a concept plan and we are still we're going to work out

2110
01:51:39,319 --> 01:51:41,279
site details with the applicant when

2111
01:51:41,279 --> 01:51:44,289
he comes forward with the specific use permit application

2112
01:51:44,289 --> 01:51:46,079
and i know it's a concept plan but i

2113
01:51:46,079 --> 01:51:50,109
was just throwing that out that might be a consideration

2114
01:51:50,109 --> 01:51:52,159
because as at our work session

2115
01:51:52,159 --> 01:51:55,800
i did mention that that was only one access that's correct

2116
01:51:55,800 --> 01:51:57,920
right now and and the one that has been

2117
01:51:57,920 --> 01:52:02,319
proposed which is the one uh by the church well that's just

2118
01:52:02,319 --> 01:52:05,279
going to be an emergency so long term

2119
01:52:05,279 --> 01:52:07,869
i'm just saying long term and that area will be developed

2120
01:52:07,869 --> 01:52:09,680
and mockingbird will be developed all

2121
01:52:09,680 --> 01:52:13,710
the way maybe provide that as a look plan a road there that

2122
01:52:13,710 --> 01:52:16,800
will provide access sure the the

2123
01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:19,810
applicant can probably speak to that right now better than

2124
01:52:19,810 --> 01:52:21,279
i can as i said we're still in the

2125
01:52:21,279 --> 01:52:25,970
conceptual stage okay thank you cindy i don't see any other

2126
01:52:25,970 --> 01:52:27,439
questions okay

2127
01:52:29,680 --> 01:52:31,319
this is a public hearing if you're wishing to speak you may

2128
01:52:31,319 --> 01:52:32,960
do so by coming forward

2129
01:52:35,279 --> 01:52:36,960
okay

2130
01:52:43,039 --> 01:52:46,859
commissioner beck i'm hoping that the owner will come

2131
01:52:46,859 --> 01:52:48,800
forward and i do have a few questions for you

2132
01:52:52,239 --> 01:52:54,579
please just state your name and address for the record my

2133
01:52:54,579 --> 01:52:57,840
name is rick barria i live here in

2134
01:52:57,840 --> 01:53:02,310
denton at 51 12 edwards road okay did you have a

2135
01:53:02,310 --> 01:53:06,399
presentation you wanted to give us or yes i do

2136
01:53:06,399 --> 01:53:10,029
uh i didn't uh register i guess out front for it okay why

2137
01:53:10,029 --> 01:53:12,800
don't you go ahead and do that and if

2138
01:53:12,800 --> 01:53:16,649
my questions haven't been answered then i'll okay i'll do

2139
01:53:16,649 --> 01:53:19,119
that uh let's see if i yeah

2140
01:53:20,960 --> 01:53:23,039
i don't want to touch anyone else's presentation

2141
01:53:27,359 --> 01:53:28,560
there you go thank you

2142
01:53:33,039 --> 01:53:34,640
if i can just find that icon

2143
01:53:38,079 --> 01:53:40,560
okay i want to talk about clustering because that's really

2144
01:53:40,560 --> 01:53:44,800
the essence of this uh development i do

2145
01:53:44,800 --> 01:53:49,600
want to mention that um i'm here with uh jack medcalf who

2146
01:53:49,600 --> 01:53:52,720
was our engineer and also uh with

2147
01:53:52,720 --> 01:53:56,609
nathan olson he's our engineer as well now what is cl

2148
01:53:56,609 --> 01:53:59,520
ustering well i'll make a comment here

2149
01:54:00,720 --> 01:54:03,489
if i can hit one of these buttons there we go it's more

2150
01:54:03,489 --> 01:54:06,079
than just a better view that's one of the

2151
01:54:06,079 --> 01:54:09,409
reasons why people do it now this is a typical linear

2152
01:54:09,409 --> 01:54:12,720
development solution or dentons in our six

2153
01:54:12,720 --> 01:54:16,079
rules and i believe these are four or five plexus i didn't

2154
01:54:16,079 --> 01:54:19,359
count them all uh and the front facade

2155
01:54:19,359 --> 01:54:23,289
looks pretty good there's no garage and but you have to

2156
01:54:23,289 --> 01:54:25,920
have alleys with that and it requires quite

2157
01:54:25,920 --> 01:54:29,020
a bit more concrete and generally unless somebody plants

2158
01:54:29,020 --> 01:54:32,640
trees in the back there's no trees this uh

2159
01:54:32,640 --> 01:54:36,270
five in a row uh concept requires that you have a straight

2160
01:54:36,270 --> 01:54:38,800
street and a flat grade and i think that

2161
01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:42,140
building is about 180 feet long now with the slope that we

2162
01:54:42,140 --> 01:54:44,000
have on our site that doesn't work

2163
01:54:45,279 --> 01:54:48,579
no trees here either maybe now and forever i don't really

2164
01:54:48,579 --> 01:54:50,960
see a place to plant them and sometimes

2165
01:54:50,960 --> 01:54:54,590
people don't do that now this is uh another configuration

2166
01:54:54,590 --> 01:54:56,800
where you've got front driveways

2167
01:54:56,800 --> 01:54:59,810
there's less concrete but there's more cars and then i

2168
01:54:59,810 --> 01:55:01,840
asked the question can you count them all

2169
01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:05,659
well i did there's 20 of them not counting the hood of my

2170
01:55:05,659 --> 01:55:08,319
car now this is another linear concept

2171
01:55:08,319 --> 01:55:11,119
it's in a row and it follows the roadway centerline whether

2172
01:55:11,119 --> 01:55:12,399
it's curved or straight

2173
01:55:14,560 --> 01:55:18,600
and there's no green space there's no commons and i ask the

2174
01:55:18,600 --> 01:55:20,479
question what kind of community do you

2175
01:55:20,479 --> 01:55:22,819
really have you're only going to meet somebody if you walk

2176
01:55:22,819 --> 01:55:26,239
on the sidewalk this is the same property

2177
01:55:26,239 --> 01:55:29,079
a little different configuration which i think is much more

2178
01:55:29,079 --> 01:55:31,039
pleasing i did this in a seminar with

2179
01:55:31,039 --> 01:55:34,670
rick harrison who i think is the greatest designer in the

2180
01:55:34,670 --> 01:55:36,720
world by the way i hope to one day get as

2181
01:55:36,720 --> 01:55:39,810
good as him uh these bedrooms there were two bedroom units

2182
01:55:39,810 --> 01:55:42,159
that's what we thought these would be

2183
01:55:42,159 --> 01:55:45,060
the walkways are pleasant and they're separated from the

2184
01:55:45,060 --> 01:55:47,600
street it's much safer it's more fun to

2185
01:55:47,600 --> 01:55:51,489
walk down and uh it's definitely an improvement for

2186
01:55:51,489 --> 01:55:54,960
children and their safety now this is in houston

2187
01:55:55,680 --> 01:55:59,050
there are row houses with alleys gee they almost look like

2188
01:55:59,050 --> 01:56:01,119
dominoes now i don't know how many were

2189
01:56:01,119 --> 01:56:03,460
in the row i had an area that looked like they were eight

2190
01:56:03,460 --> 01:56:05,600
in a row generally and then there's

2191
01:56:05,600 --> 01:56:10,399
some houses behind others in the cul-de-sac now in grape

2192
01:56:10,399 --> 01:56:13,600
vine clustering here did save some trees

2193
01:56:13,600 --> 01:56:16,779
and their units are smaller and they stair step them down

2194
01:56:16,779 --> 01:56:19,520
the grade the grade drops going uh from

2195
01:56:19,520 --> 01:56:23,359
top to bottom and on this site and this is spencer road in

2196
01:56:23,359 --> 01:56:26,239
denton and this is a type of clustering

2197
01:56:26,239 --> 01:56:29,239
and the units are pretty small i think it's one of the

2198
01:56:29,239 --> 01:56:33,119
better looking rentals in denton now this is

2199
01:56:33,119 --> 01:56:37,039
oak vista and the blue section is our residential part and

2200
01:56:37,039 --> 01:56:39,600
then the other section where it says

2201
01:56:39,600 --> 01:56:42,960
office park that's what we plan to do sometime later when d

2202
01:56:42,960 --> 01:56:45,119
uchess is extended and we'll of course

2203
01:56:45,119 --> 01:56:48,489
pay for part of that you'll notice the red line it's

2204
01:56:48,489 --> 01:56:50,720
vertical uh that all of a sudden

2205
01:56:52,000 --> 01:56:57,060
departs uh where we got the section that is divergent and

2206
01:56:57,060 --> 01:57:00,000
it's a wider area that's bounded

2207
01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:04,029
by the blue green that is the drainage ditch we made it

2208
01:57:04,029 --> 01:57:06,640
wider in fact i did this long before

2209
01:57:06,640 --> 01:57:10,529
we had this am i running out of time let me go back you're

2210
01:57:10,529 --> 01:57:13,199
because you have 10 minutes okay

2211
01:57:14,239 --> 01:57:19,369
all right that's why we widen the channel what would you

2212
01:57:19,369 --> 01:57:21,359
put for the value here

2213
01:57:22,239 --> 01:57:26,380
or this or that i'm a believer in saving trees that's my

2214
01:57:26,380 --> 01:57:27,359
driveway

2215
01:57:28,720 --> 01:57:31,199
this i'm not the only guy that wants to save trees another

2216
01:57:31,199 --> 01:57:33,680
developer did it sometimes we have

2217
01:57:33,680 --> 01:57:38,510
damage sometimes you have surprises like bees this is how

2218
01:57:38,510 --> 01:57:41,840
it was developed we've got

2219
01:57:43,199 --> 01:57:46,829
problem if we try to excavate like this the topography

2220
01:57:46,829 --> 01:57:49,439
would hurt us we would have to dig a lot

2221
01:57:50,319 --> 01:57:55,229
so in this version we made the drawing to where we followed

2222
01:57:55,229 --> 01:57:58,479
the contours as same as this one

2223
01:57:58,720 --> 01:58:01,119
is a little closer look in case you have questions later

2224
01:58:01,119 --> 01:58:04,000
and we've done some floor plans they're

2225
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:07,829
pretty small have one for empty nesters this one you can

2226
01:58:07,829 --> 01:58:10,079
come in the drive the garage in

2227
01:58:10,079 --> 01:58:15,149
either direction this one is very small and this one is for

2228
01:58:15,149 --> 01:58:18,159
singles so we know that we're going to

2229
01:58:19,039 --> 01:58:21,890
observe the building code and fire code by the type of

2230
01:58:21,890 --> 01:58:23,920
structure and that's one and two family

2231
01:58:23,920 --> 01:58:28,109
building code if there's three it's a separate code so here

2232
01:58:28,109 --> 01:58:30,560
's what we need we we've got a density

2233
01:58:30,560 --> 01:58:34,380
of nr6 the present design density is a little less than

2234
01:58:34,380 --> 01:58:36,479
that we are looking at a gated with

2235
01:58:36,479 --> 01:58:40,399
emergency only on the north now there's a little different

2236
01:58:40,399 --> 01:58:44,079
some of definition there the open layout

2237
01:58:44,079 --> 01:58:48,319
is multi-family the travel lanes radii is multi-family we

2238
01:58:48,319 --> 01:58:50,880
're going to have an hoa for maintenance and

2239
01:58:50,880 --> 01:58:55,109
order but we need one thing more and i talked to cindy jack

2240
01:58:55,109 --> 01:58:57,840
son earlier and i think we're of the same

2241
01:58:57,840 --> 01:59:00,369
mind on this the parking rules would be multi-family

2242
01:59:00,369 --> 01:59:03,119
because it is a multi-family arrangement i just

2243
01:59:03,119 --> 01:59:06,489
want to make sure and that would be uh one parking space

2244
01:59:06,489 --> 01:59:08,800
for each bedroom plus 10 percent

2245
01:59:11,680 --> 01:59:16,479
okay did i make the 10 minutes or close you're good it was

2246
01:59:16,479 --> 01:59:18,159
dinged on you if you went over

2247
01:59:20,079 --> 01:59:22,300
thank you for the presentation thank you see if we have any

2248
01:59:22,300 --> 01:59:23,680
questions for you christian or beck

2249
01:59:24,560 --> 01:59:26,779
thank you chair thank you mr bria you did answer one

2250
01:59:26,779 --> 01:59:29,039
question i think uh how are you going to

2251
01:59:29,039 --> 01:59:32,859
control that emergency lane i believe you're going to put a

2252
01:59:32,859 --> 01:59:35,199
gate a gate there yes there'll be a gate

2253
01:59:35,199 --> 01:59:38,550
there and it'll have an opticon opener so that the fire

2254
01:59:38,550 --> 01:59:41,119
department from the north which is naturally

2255
01:59:41,119 --> 01:59:44,939
where they would come from uh they can get in that way now

2256
01:59:44,939 --> 01:59:48,079
we would like to have an emergency opening

2257
01:59:48,079 --> 01:59:51,899
if we have some type of fire if somebody uh maybe they have

2258
01:59:51,899 --> 01:59:54,239
a car fire at the south gate or something

2259
01:59:54,239 --> 01:59:56,949
so that we can get out that way but it would i would

2260
01:59:56,949 --> 01:59:59,520
imagine almost never be used that way right

2261
02:00:00,079 --> 02:00:05,100
okay good um i was pleased to read uh that you're looking

2262
02:00:05,100 --> 02:00:08,239
for an opportunity to build affordable

2263
02:00:08,880 --> 02:00:11,369
smaller homes uh and that's what it looks like you've got

2264
02:00:11,369 --> 02:00:13,199
here because we were talking earlier

2265
02:00:13,199 --> 02:00:17,020
the need for more affordable homes and so could you give us

2266
02:00:17,020 --> 02:00:18,560
an idea what kind of price

2267
02:00:18,560 --> 02:00:22,000
frames we're looking at it would that be two percent of me

2268
02:00:22,000 --> 02:00:24,640
to certainly i'll tackle that now

2269
02:00:24,640 --> 02:00:26,979
i'm not a builder and i don't know what current building

2270
02:00:26,979 --> 02:00:28,640
prices are but i can tell you the size

2271
02:00:28,640 --> 02:00:34,960
of the units the smallest one is about 1050 square feet

2272
02:00:34,960 --> 02:00:38,319
okay and it does not have a garage

2273
02:00:38,880 --> 02:00:41,789
some of the garages will be detached a garage costs more

2274
02:00:41,789 --> 02:00:43,760
money and of course it seems that most

2275
02:00:43,760 --> 02:00:46,369
people today don't use their garages as garages they just

2276
02:00:46,369 --> 02:00:49,199
store things in them so we decided that

2277
02:00:49,199 --> 02:00:52,539
you know if we put a little more storage in the units and

2278
02:00:52,539 --> 02:00:54,640
we uh and we have carports that are

2279
02:00:54,640 --> 02:00:58,229
covered that would probably work especially at the lower

2280
02:00:58,229 --> 02:01:00,640
end of the market uh our largest unit would

2281
02:01:00,640 --> 02:01:05,439
be 1700 square feet uh we have one unit that's 1300 square

2282
02:01:05,439 --> 02:01:07,680
feet and that one is uh for empty nesters

2283
02:01:07,680 --> 02:01:10,909
that's about the size that they prefer most of them will be

2284
02:01:10,909 --> 02:01:12,640
two bedrooms a few will be three

2285
02:01:12,640 --> 02:01:15,680
bedrooms uh we won't have any one bedrooms because i don't

2286
02:01:15,680 --> 02:01:18,000
think we can get anyone to build one or

2287
02:01:18,000 --> 02:01:22,439
buy one but as far as the pricing goes i guess you could

2288
02:01:22,439 --> 02:01:25,680
multiply though that square footage by

2289
02:01:25,680 --> 02:01:31,239
the price of what it costs to build today did i answer your

2290
02:01:31,239 --> 02:01:34,159
question i think you did

2291
02:01:35,359 --> 02:01:38,680
between you and commissioner smith here um i assume too to

2292
02:01:38,680 --> 02:01:40,079
keep the price down there won't

2293
02:01:40,079 --> 02:01:42,630
be a lot of bells and whistles in there as far as

2294
02:01:42,630 --> 02:01:45,760
appliances and uh flooring and stuff like that or

2295
02:01:45,760 --> 02:01:49,390
is that well i would i would think and and this is not my

2296
02:01:49,390 --> 02:01:51,279
part of the project but it would seem

2297
02:01:51,279 --> 02:01:54,539
logical to me that if you had uh folks that were retired

2298
02:01:54,539 --> 02:01:56,880
and they wanted to retire there and it was

2299
02:01:56,880 --> 02:01:59,659
their last home they might pick granite counters or

2300
02:01:59,659 --> 02:02:02,479
something like that and expensive accoutrements

2301
02:02:03,199 --> 02:02:06,829
but a lot of people who are single who we want to sell to

2302
02:02:06,829 --> 02:02:10,319
uh because there's really no place to get

2303
02:02:10,319 --> 02:02:13,329
anything buy anything like this in denton i think they

2304
02:02:13,329 --> 02:02:15,840
would opt for something less expensive and i

2305
02:02:15,840 --> 02:02:19,470
did talk to a local builder who builds uh houses that aren

2306
02:02:19,470 --> 02:02:21,920
't expensive to pick his brain a little

2307
02:02:21,920 --> 02:02:26,050
and we'll try to follow his advice if we can okay okay i

2308
02:02:26,050 --> 02:02:28,800
didn't mean to corny you there okay

2309
02:02:29,600 --> 02:02:33,039
you also mentioned a shared backyard arrangement structure

2310
02:02:33,039 --> 02:02:35,520
so no fencing at all or just no

2311
02:02:36,720 --> 02:02:40,529
okay just just fences along the back line of the property

2312
02:02:40,529 --> 02:02:42,880
we decided that with what we were trying

2313
02:02:42,880 --> 02:02:47,369
to create that six foot wooden fences would not work but

2314
02:02:47,369 --> 02:02:50,159
people need to feel that part of that

2315
02:02:50,159 --> 02:02:53,819
space is theirs and it's defined so we thought of basically

2316
02:02:53,819 --> 02:02:56,239
a white picket fence or something like

2317
02:02:56,239 --> 02:03:00,380
that and at the corners where we would have a division we

2318
02:03:00,380 --> 02:03:03,279
would probably put some type of marker

2319
02:03:03,279 --> 02:03:06,909
on the ground as long as someone has a feeling of hey this

2320
02:03:06,909 --> 02:03:09,279
space is mine and you're not going to come

2321
02:03:09,279 --> 02:03:12,300
in and you're walking in through our backyard most people

2322
02:03:12,300 --> 02:03:14,239
can live with that especially if your

2323
02:03:14,239 --> 02:03:16,800
neighbors are okay i don't know what you would do in the

2324
02:03:16,800 --> 02:03:19,520
case of a really cranky neighbor but i guess

2325
02:03:19,520 --> 02:03:23,340
that would be for the hoa to handle later okay well i am

2326
02:03:23,340 --> 02:03:25,840
please really based on your narrative

2327
02:03:25,840 --> 02:03:28,890
you know your desire to observe trees keep open spaces

2328
02:03:28,890 --> 02:03:30,800
green areas so this looks like a real good

2329
02:03:30,800 --> 02:03:33,270
development to me thank you for answering my questions

2330
02:03:33,270 --> 02:03:37,279
thank you any other questions yeah

2331
02:03:37,279 --> 02:03:39,199
commissioner sanchez i have a question

2332
02:03:42,239 --> 02:03:45,350
i just wanted to say it's sounds like a pretty interesting

2333
02:03:45,350 --> 02:03:48,000
concept when i was reading the

2334
02:03:48,000 --> 02:03:50,899
information here and you had biplex i was wondering what a

2335
02:03:50,899 --> 02:03:55,199
biplex was well duplexes are usually are

2336
02:03:55,199 --> 02:03:59,020
usually rented right and that's why i coined this other

2337
02:03:59,020 --> 02:04:01,439
word biplex of course then if i try to use

2338
02:04:01,439 --> 02:04:04,670
triplex it doesn't really work out i guess officially you

2339
02:04:04,670 --> 02:04:06,960
might call them single family units

2340
02:04:06,960 --> 02:04:12,069
right right but as i was looking at uh you know uh long-

2341
02:04:12,069 --> 02:04:15,600
term access and and into that area i was

2342
02:04:15,600 --> 02:04:19,420
just curious and i i've mentioned it before is that uh

2343
02:04:19,420 --> 02:04:22,319
using um what is it mockingbird is there any

2344
02:04:22,319 --> 02:04:25,350
long-term planning on maybe coming in through mockingbird

2345
02:04:25,350 --> 02:04:27,279
as opposed to just having one exit

2346
02:04:27,920 --> 02:04:31,520
for that for that area well we had oh because i was gonna i

2347
02:04:31,520 --> 02:04:34,479
was just gonna say that emergency is

2348
02:04:35,279 --> 02:04:39,109
is only for emergency so really you just have one exit that

2349
02:04:39,109 --> 02:04:42,479
's correct yes and what we've tried to do

2350
02:04:42,479 --> 02:04:46,380
to mitigate that circumstance is we have chosen

2351
02:04:46,380 --> 02:04:50,239
deliberately a lesser number of units we're not

2352
02:04:50,239 --> 02:04:53,609
trying to put apartments there so that lessens the number

2353
02:04:53,609 --> 02:04:56,159
of trips also we decided that if we had some

2354
02:04:56,159 --> 02:05:00,079
people who are retired and we're trying to sell maybe 25 of

2355
02:05:00,079 --> 02:05:02,079
the units to retirees or people who

2356
02:05:02,079 --> 02:05:06,109
are 55 plus at least that they tend to get up a little

2357
02:05:06,109 --> 02:05:09,279
later they don't go to work and they

2358
02:05:10,079 --> 02:05:13,710
try to avoid traffic i remember my father's habits before

2359
02:05:13,710 --> 02:05:16,800
he died he would leave about 10 and if he

2360
02:05:16,800 --> 02:05:19,220
had to do something in the afternoon it was always in the

2361
02:05:19,220 --> 02:05:21,119
mid-afternoon and he said i don't need the

2362
02:05:21,119 --> 02:05:25,310
grief of being in the traffic so we think that will shave

2363
02:05:25,310 --> 02:05:27,600
off the peak demand that you might

2364
02:05:27,600 --> 02:05:32,539
normally have now as far as the access uh to the east we

2365
02:05:32,539 --> 02:05:35,920
tried for years i've got a letter that

2366
02:05:35,920 --> 02:05:40,170
goes back to i think 2010 where we tried to talk to uh the

2367
02:05:40,170 --> 02:05:43,359
people who own that land now it's owned

2368
02:05:43,359 --> 02:05:47,180
by trust and the trust does not want to sell just access

2369
02:05:47,180 --> 02:05:49,680
they want to sell the whole piece which is

2370
02:05:49,680 --> 02:05:52,020
not very usable and it snakes all around it's it's

2371
02:05:52,020 --> 02:05:56,239
something that you really can't use we have heard

2372
02:05:56,239 --> 02:06:00,279
though that in that area that there is a local investor who

2373
02:06:00,279 --> 02:06:02,640
builds apartments and was looking to

2374
02:06:02,640 --> 02:06:06,680
buy some of that property on lane street and also further

2375
02:06:06,680 --> 02:06:09,920
to the east and to the south if he did that

2376
02:06:09,920 --> 02:06:13,750
then he obviously could build something that would you know

2377
02:06:13,750 --> 02:06:16,960
be worth his time and then uh with a simple

2378
02:06:16,960 --> 02:06:20,229
s turn you would make mockingbird connect with mockingbird

2379
02:06:20,229 --> 02:06:22,479
but that would run through mr tonic

2380
02:06:22,479 --> 02:06:25,670
less property right through the middle so he would have to

2381
02:06:25,670 --> 02:06:27,439
sell i think he probably would

2382
02:06:28,319 --> 02:06:32,189
maybe that's why he favors this uh this development i don't

2383
02:06:32,189 --> 02:06:33,840
know his reasons but i'll just say yes

2384
02:06:33,840 --> 02:06:41,159
thank you very much okay okay thank you all right i do not

2385
02:06:41,159 --> 02:06:44,720
see any other questions thank you mr

2386
02:06:44,720 --> 02:06:48,539
barrio this is a public hearing anyone else wishing to

2387
02:06:48,539 --> 02:06:50,319
speak we certainly do so

2388
02:06:54,720 --> 02:06:55,729
seeing none i will close the public hearing and open up for

2389
02:06:55,729 --> 02:06:57,840
discussion or motion

2390
02:06:59,920 --> 02:07:04,840
commissioner beck i moved to approve this uh z 18018 i

2391
02:07:04,840 --> 02:07:07,119
think it's an excellent plan i think it

2392
02:07:07,119 --> 02:07:10,760
works well over in this area so i motion to approve and

2393
02:07:10,760 --> 02:07:13,279
commissioner beck for clarification

2394
02:07:13,279 --> 02:07:16,430
are you approving with the two conditions i'm sorry yes i

2395
02:07:16,430 --> 02:07:18,960
am thank you commissioner smith second

2396
02:07:20,399 --> 02:07:23,409
we have a first and a second any discussion seeing none i

2397
02:07:23,409 --> 02:07:25,439
'll call for a vote on the board

2398
02:07:30,159 --> 02:07:35,439
okay motion carries seven zero congratulations

2399
02:07:38,479 --> 02:07:40,520
that concludes the public hearing items for this evening we

2400
02:07:40,520 --> 02:07:43,359
'll move on to the plan and zoning

2401
02:07:43,359 --> 02:07:47,760
project matrix and richard i'll let you take lead initially

2402
02:07:47,760 --> 02:07:49,279
again just wanted to

2403
02:07:50,079 --> 02:07:54,109
highlight some items that we had discussed in work session

2404
02:07:54,109 --> 02:07:56,159
the item with respect to

2405
02:07:56,159 --> 02:07:59,979
traffic engineering items instead of having that on the 10

2406
02:07:59,979 --> 02:08:02,479
24 work session we'll be moving that to

2407
02:08:02,479 --> 02:08:06,960
1114 we also had at the same time a discussion regarding

2408
02:08:06,960 --> 02:08:09,840
the process for infrastructure updates

2409
02:08:10,560 --> 02:08:14,789
since we will we will have water and sewer staff members at

2410
02:08:14,789 --> 02:08:17,039
the next meeting with respect to the

2411
02:08:17,039 --> 02:08:19,750
capital improvements i think we can also still have them

2412
02:08:19,750 --> 02:08:22,159
address some of those concerns with respect to

2413
02:08:23,279 --> 02:08:26,409
to those utilities and then but still have the same

2414
02:08:26,409 --> 02:08:27,840
discussion as part of

2415
02:08:29,680 --> 02:08:33,500
pre-tambing the traffic engineers on on the 14th on the

2416
02:08:33,500 --> 02:08:37,199
historic preservation incentives we are

2417
02:08:37,199 --> 02:08:40,829
working on that i also wanted to let everyone know that

2418
02:08:40,829 --> 02:08:43,680
that the locota group has been in town

2419
02:08:43,680 --> 02:08:47,760
they were at hlc on monday they're the consultant assisting

2420
02:08:47,760 --> 02:08:50,319
with the historic preservation plan

2421
02:08:50,319 --> 02:08:52,880
and so i think right around that time so that that'll be

2422
02:08:52,880 --> 02:08:54,319
also an update on where we are with

2423
02:08:54,319 --> 02:08:57,569
the historic preservation plan but i know that plan was

2424
02:08:57,569 --> 02:08:59,680
also looking at including some of those

2425
02:08:59,680 --> 02:09:04,649
incentives just to give a quick update tree code we are

2426
02:09:04,649 --> 02:09:08,079
working as hailey mentioned earlier and

2427
02:09:08,079 --> 02:09:10,750
kind of pulling pulling it all together we're just we're

2428
02:09:10,750 --> 02:09:12,800
just going through kind of the refining

2429
02:09:12,800 --> 02:09:16,430
process right now we're going back to the committee on the

2430
02:09:16,430 --> 02:09:19,359
environment scheduled to go back on 11-5

2431
02:09:20,319 --> 02:09:22,489
and then we are going to have a work session with the city

2432
02:09:22,489 --> 02:09:24,479
council i believe it's on 11-13

2433
02:09:25,199 --> 02:09:27,149
and so as soon as we get that draft i'll make sure that

2434
02:09:27,149 --> 02:09:28,560
that everyone gets a copy

2435
02:09:29,439 --> 02:09:32,000
and depending where we are on the on the 14th i'll be back

2436
02:09:32,000 --> 02:09:35,279
just giving an update again keep just

2437
02:09:35,279 --> 02:09:37,619
making sure everyone's in the loop and how we're

2438
02:09:37,619 --> 02:09:39,840
progressing how we're progressing with that

2439
02:09:40,880 --> 02:09:45,319
otherwise i think that was it thank you thank you for that

2440
02:09:45,319 --> 02:09:47,439
update anyone have anything to add or

2441
02:09:49,840 --> 02:09:53,029
all right nothing to be added with that we will close the

2442
02:09:53,029 --> 02:10:03,520
planning zoning commission meeting at 7-12