WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.000 . 00:00:31.000 --> 00:00:32.000 , 00:01:01.000 --> 00:01:02.000 , 00:01:31.000 --> 00:01:32.000 , 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:02.000 , 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:33.000 . 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:03.000 . 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:33.000 . 00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:03.000 . 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:32.000 . 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:03.000 . 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:33.000 . 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:02.000 . 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:32.000 >> 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:34.000 All right. 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:37.250 So this item is a site plan for a chase bank at razor ranch 00:06:37.250 --> 00:06:38.000 . 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:41.180 So you can see the subject property is outlined in yellow 00:06:41.180 --> 00:06:42.000 on the map. 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:45.000 This site is approximately 1.3 acres. 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:48.000 It's a site that's been in use for a long time. 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:51.000 It's a site that's been in use for a long time. 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:54.000 It's a site that's been in use for a long time. 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:57.000 It's a site that's been in use for a long time. 00:06:57.000 --> 00:07:00.000 It's a site that's been in use for a long time. 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:03.000 It's a site that's been in use for a long time. 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:06.000 So this site is approximately 1.3 acres. 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:09.000 It is located on the south side of University Drive at the 00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:12.000 intersection of town center boulevard which is just down 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:12.000 from 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:15.000 heritage trail which you all may be more familiar with by 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:15.000 name 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:17.000 there. 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:20.000 So the base zoning for the property is regional center 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:20.000 commercial 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:22.000 downtown. 00:07:22.000 --> 00:07:25.000 However, this map here reflects the boundaries of what's 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:25.000 known as 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:28.000 the south side of the property. 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:31.000 So this property is part of what's known as the south RR2 00:07:31.000 --> 00:07:31.000 district 00:07:31.000 --> 00:07:34.000 which is kind of the commercial perimeter for what will 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:34.000 someday 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:37.000 be the town center as this develops here in the RR1 region. 00:07:37.000 --> 00:07:40.000 And then the balance of the south side you have seen 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:40.000 recently as a 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:43.000 general development plan and preliminary plat which is kind 00:07:43.000 --> 00:07:43.000 of 00:07:43.000 --> 00:07:46.000 known as razor ranch east which is the south mixed use 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:46.000 district 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:49.000 that will be a mixture of residential and commercial. 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:52.000 So as some of you are familiar with all site plans for 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:52.000 razor ranch 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:54.399 are required to come before the planning and zoning 00:07:54.399 --> 00:07:55.000 commission for 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:57.000 approval. 00:07:57.000 --> 00:08:00.000 Specifically within the south RR2 district we have what's 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:00.000 called 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:03.000 exhibit C1 and D1 that dictate the architectural and 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:03.000 landscape 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:05.000 standards for these sites. 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:08.000 So the site plan elements that come before you all are the 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:08.000 site 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:11.000 plan itself which shows the layout of the building and 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:11.000 parking, the 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:14.000 landscape plans and the building elevations. 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:17.000 The overlay district does outline several criteria for 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:18.000 approval. 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:21.000 So it dictates that the P&Z shall approve a site plan and 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:21.000 the 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:24.000 P&Z shall approve a site plan if it finds that the plan is 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:24.000 in 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:26.779 substantial compliance with that concept plan that we just 00:08:26.779 --> 00:08:27.000 saw for 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:29.000 the razor ranch overlay. 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:31.410 So this is in conformance with the commercial uses 00:08:31.410 --> 00:08:32.000 permitted in 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:34.000 the south RR2 district. 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:37.000 The second criteria being that the site plan provides for a 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:39.000 compatible arrangement of buildings and land uses that 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:40.000 wouldn't 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:43.000 adversely affect any adjoining neighborhoods or properties. 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:45.179 That it provides for adequate and safe vehicular 00:08:45.179 --> 00:08:46.000 circulation. 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:48.549 And that it fully complies with all other sections of the 00:08:48.549 --> 00:08:49.000 overlay. 00:08:49.000 --> 00:08:51.000 So I'll kind of walk through the site plan and the 00:08:51.000 --> 00:08:51.000 different 00:08:51.000 --> 00:08:54.000 elements now so that you can see how it is in compliance 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:54.000 with those 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:56.000 requirements. 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:58.000 So here's the site plan for this property. 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:02.000 So you can see just one building of approximately 4800 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:03.000 square feet. 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:05.000 The use is considered professional service as well as 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:06.000 drive-through. 00:09:06.000 --> 00:09:09.000 Both of those are permitted in the south RR2 district. 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:12.000 They're proposing just over 40 parking spaces. 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:14.000 So about 42 are shown here. 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:16.000 They are only required 16. 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:20.000 As you've heard me say before, razor kind of wrote into the 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:22.000 overlay that they don't have to comply with the city's 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:23.000 maximum 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:24.000 parking requirements. 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:27.000 So they can't overpark a site without having to go through 00:09:27.000 --> 00:09:27.000 the 00:09:27.000 --> 00:09:31.000 ADP process that a normal site plan would. 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:32.879 And they are providing one point of access here that will 00:09:32.879 --> 00:09:34.000 be from a 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:36.000 shared driveway with the restaurant next door. 00:09:36.000 --> 00:09:39.000 So no direct access concerns because they're not directly 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:43.000 tying into 380 or Town Center Trail here. 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:47.000 They'll just have that one internal driveway. 00:09:47.000 --> 00:09:49.000 Looking at their landscaping, so this site's required a 00:09:49.000 --> 00:09:50.000 minimum 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:53.000 of 10% landscaping and 25% tree canopy. 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:56.000 So they are in excess of both of those requirements. 00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:59.000 The area outlined in yellow is where they would provide the 00:09:59.000 --> 00:10:00.000 required plaza elements. 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:03.000 So they are exceeding the minimum plaza area. 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:05.000 And this area will contain benches, shade trees, 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:08.000 and planters to make it a more pedestrian-friendly space. 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:10.000 And one of the other key components when there is a 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:12.000 drive-through is the required screening. 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:14.000 So to screen this from the adjoining drive aisles, 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:17.000 they provided some extra landscaping in the form of 00:10:17.000 --> 00:10:19.000 shrubs here in front of the drive-through. 00:10:19.000 --> 00:10:22.000 And then they provided a low masonry wall here on the south 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:25.000 side to kind of screen that, the drive-through lanes from 00:10:25.000 --> 00:10:25.000 the 00:10:25.000 --> 00:10:29.000 adjoining drive aisle. 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:32.000 Here are the proposed elevations for the buildings. 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:35.000 This is the west side on top and then the north elevation 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:35.000 is there 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:36.000 on the bottom. 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:38.570 The primary building materials are limestone brick and stuc 00:10:38.570 --> 00:10:39.000 co. 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:42.000 So these are in compliance with the architectural standards 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:42.000 for 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:45.000 RAZOR and consistent with the general theming of the native 00:10:45.000 --> 00:10:49.000 Texas stone and limestone throughout the town center area. 00:10:49.000 --> 00:10:51.000 Here you can see the other two sides of the building. 00:10:51.000 --> 00:10:53.000 So this is what the drive-through would look like. 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:56.000 And that low masonry wall would sit approximately here just 00:10:56.000 --> 00:10:58.000 outside those drive aisles to screen the cars from the 00:10:58.000 --> 00:11:01.000 right-of-way. 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:03.000 So staff is recommending approval of the request. 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:05.000 We found it to be compliant with all of the applicable 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:08.000 regulations within the overlay district as well as the 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:09.000 criteria for approval. 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:12.000 And I'm happy to answer any questions you might have. 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:13.000 -Christine or Becky? 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:14.000 -Just a quick question. 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:16.000 Is this a relocation for Chase Bank? 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:19.000 I believe they have one down on Inklund University. 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:21.000 -I'm not aware of it being a relocation. 00:11:21.000 --> 00:11:24.000 But I believe the developer for RAZOR will be here this 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:24.000 evening 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:26.000 so you can answer that question. 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:28.000 -Thank you, Abe. 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:29.000 -Christine or Alice? 00:11:29.000 --> 00:11:30.000 -Thank you, Chair. 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:33.000 Just curious on the 42 parking places, that is a lot for a 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:33.000 bank. 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:36.000 Did you ask? 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:38.000 -It did seem like a high number. 00:11:38.000 --> 00:11:41.000 I'm not sure what their driving factor is for that, but 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:41.000 they 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:44.000 felt that that was the amount of parking they needed 00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:44.000 because 00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:46.000 there was some question about whether there should be a 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:47.000 second 00:11:47.000 --> 00:11:48.000 dumpster location on the site. 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:50.000 And that would have required them to lose parking, and they 00:11:50.000 --> 00:11:53.000 were very opposed to losing any parking spaces for their 00:11:53.000 --> 00:11:56.000 customers and staff. 00:11:56.000 --> 00:11:58.000 -Thank you. 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:00.000 With that, with the drive-through traffic, is that 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:02.000 coming in off of the Chili's parking lot? 00:12:02.000 --> 00:12:04.000 Is that how they're getting to the drive-through? 00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:06.000 -Correct. 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:08.000 So the traffic would enter here from the shared driveway, 00:12:08.000 --> 00:12:08.000 and 00:12:08.000 --> 00:12:11.000 then when they exit, either loop around to the south or to 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:11.000 the 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:13.000 north back through the parking lot. 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:15.000 -And they can go around the building when they exit? 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:17.000 -Correct. 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:19.000 They could maneuver either way when they come out of that 00:12:19.000 --> 00:12:21.000 drive-through. 00:12:21.000 --> 00:12:23.000 I would imagine most of them would go here to the south 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:25.000 straight out back to the driveway. 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:29.000 -Is the stacking on the site plan, is that accurate? 00:12:29.000 --> 00:12:31.000 -Yes. 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:35.000 -At high times, I wonder how that's going to go as far as 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:37.000 the line waiting for drive-through. 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:39.000 -Yeah, I believe they did meet the adequate stacking 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:39.000 distance 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:41.000 for our engineers when they reviewed this. 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:43.000 But I think with the four driveways, there wasn't generally 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:45.000 a concern that it would back up too much because there's 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:47.000 multiple options there. 00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:49.000 -It worked as long as it was looked at. 00:12:49.000 --> 00:12:51.000 Thanks. 00:12:51.000 --> 00:12:53.000 -Any other questions? 00:12:53.000 --> 00:12:55.000 I have two. 00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:57.000 One is along the lines of Commissioner Ellis. 00:12:57.000 --> 00:13:00.000 The bank operation is kind of inverse to the Chili's 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:02.000 operation in terms of uses of parking. 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:07.610 42 seems like a whole lot to put a lot of concrete out 00:13:07.610 --> 00:13:08.000 there. 00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:10.000 So maybe I could talk to the applicant about that. 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:14.889 If they put more green space or I don't know what options 00:13:14.889 --> 00:13:15.000 we have. 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:18.000 But with that, I didn't hear, but can you talk about where 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:22.000 they're putting bike stands? 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:27.000 -I don't recall seeing bike racks. 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:32.000 I'll try to look a little more closely here. 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:35.000 -With their overlay, are they required to? 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:38.000 -No, it's an option that they can include within the plaza 00:13:38.000 --> 00:13:38.000 area. 00:13:38.000 --> 00:13:41.000 But it's not a strict requirement that they have bicycle 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:42.000 parking. 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:44.490 It may be something that they'd be amenable to adding if 00:13:44.490 --> 00:13:45.000 you think 00:13:45.000 --> 00:13:48.340 that would make the site more consistent with the 00:13:48.340 --> 00:13:49.000 surroundings. 00:13:49.000 --> 00:13:52.330 I know many of the restaurants in the area do have bike 00:13:52.330 --> 00:13:53.000 racks. 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:55.519 -I'm also thinking of Razor Rance East, which is about to 00:13:55.519 --> 00:13:56.000 be residential. 00:13:56.000 --> 00:14:00.000 They could easily ride their bike over to the bank. 00:14:00.000 --> 00:14:03.000 -Yeah, I'm not seeing bike racks. 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:05.000 I don't recall if they have them. 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:07.000 I'm not seeing them called out here on the plan. 00:14:07.000 --> 00:14:11.000 That's something I can look into for the regular meeting. 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:14.000 -Awesome. 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:17.000 Any other questions? 00:14:17.000 --> 00:14:19.000 Great. 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:22.000 So that moves us on to our public hearing items. 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:28.000 Item 5A has been postponed until the October 24th meeting. 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:32.320 So has Item 5C has also been postponed to the October 10th 00:14:32.320 --> 00:14:33.000 meeting. 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:38.000 So the only item for public hearing tonight is 5B, which is 00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:43.000 S18-6, which is Haley. 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:44.000 -All right. 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:47.129 So this is a specific use permit request related to a drive 00:14:47.129 --> 00:14:49.000 -through for McDonald's. 00:14:49.000 --> 00:14:51.789 So you can see the subject property outlined here in yellow 00:14:51.789 --> 00:14:52.000 . 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:54.279 As I mentioned, the request is for a specific use permit to 00:14:54.279 --> 00:14:57.000 allow for a drive-through on this site. 00:14:57.000 --> 00:14:59.549 The site, as you can kind of see here with the faint white 00:14:59.549 --> 00:15:03.000 lines, is a combination of three kind of remainders 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:06.350 after all of this frontage here was taken by textile to 00:15:06.350 --> 00:15:08.000 future right-of-way. 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:12.490 So what was left was approximately 1.69 acres where 00:15:12.490 --> 00:15:15.000 McDonald's is proposed to go. 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:19.000 So the zoning for the site is Downtown Commercial General. 00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:21.549 Within this district, the McDonald's itself is permitted by 00:15:21.549 --> 00:15:22.000 right. 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:26.139 It's the drive-through that requires the specific use 00:15:26.139 --> 00:15:27.000 permit. 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:30.370 And as we've looked at before, the criteria for approval of 00:15:30.370 --> 00:15:32.000 an SUP are very lengthy. 00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:34.529 Those are enumerated in your staff analysis, and I'm happy 00:15:34.529 --> 00:15:36.000 to go through them if you'd like. 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:41.080 But kind of in summary, the main component of an SUP is 00:15:41.080 --> 00:15:44.000 requiring compatibility between this use and surrounding 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:44.000 properties. 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:48.000 So looking to see whether this use would impede any sort of 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:51.000 normal and orderly development on surrounding properties, 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:54.000 whether it would generate any nuisances in terms of access, 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:58.000 traffic, odors, lighting, that sort of thing, 00:15:58.000 --> 00:16:01.000 as well as landscaping and architectural compatibility. 00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:03.980 So we'll kind of walk through the details of what's 00:16:03.980 --> 00:16:05.000 proposed here. 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:07.179 So you can see outlined in blue, the building itself is 00:16:07.179 --> 00:16:09.000 just over 5,000 square feet. 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:12.340 What they're proposing is a two-lane drive-through here on 00:16:12.340 --> 00:16:14.000 the east side of the site. 00:16:14.000 --> 00:16:17.000 So you can see cars would enter here on the south side. 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:19.000 And then there are two lanes. 00:16:19.000 --> 00:16:20.990 I kind of use the yellow stars to indicate where those 00:16:20.990 --> 00:16:23.000 ordering points would be at the drive-through. 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:24.940 And then this would funnel down into one lane that would 00:16:24.940 --> 00:16:26.000 wrap around the building. 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:28.809 And there are two windows here, as is typical at a McDonald 00:16:28.809 --> 00:16:31.360 's, where you pay at one window and then pick up at the 00:16:31.360 --> 00:16:32.000 other. 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:35.000 They do have all the required parking for the site. 00:16:35.000 --> 00:16:38.299 So the size of the development requires 50 parking spaces, 00:16:38.299 --> 00:16:40.000 which they've accommodated. 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:43.000 They do have three points of entry into the site. 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:46.100 So you can see here one of the existing driveways is being 00:16:46.100 --> 00:16:47.000 maintained. 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:49.600 If you drive by the site, you'd see there's also a driveway 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:52.000 here that will be closed with this development. 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:54.789 So they would maintain this driveway, as well as the 00:16:54.789 --> 00:16:58.000 existing pavement that's here off of South Locust Street 00:16:58.000 --> 00:16:59.000 would be another entry point. 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:01.860 And then, as is required by code for commercial development 00:17:01.860 --> 00:17:03.000 to have cross access, 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:07.029 they would have one point of shared access with the bank 00:17:07.029 --> 00:17:09.000 property to the north. 00:17:09.000 --> 00:17:12.740 In looking at the drive-through itself, the DDC has 00:17:12.740 --> 00:17:14.700 requirements for drive-throughs being screened from the 00:17:14.700 --> 00:17:18.000 right-of-way when you're in a pedestrian-oriented district. 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:20.519 This isn't actually in a pedestrian district, but to make 00:17:20.519 --> 00:17:23.000 it more compatible and consistent with the area, 00:17:23.000 --> 00:17:25.720 we talked to the applicant about ways that they could 00:17:25.720 --> 00:17:28.849 provide screening along the right-of-way, you know, to just 00:17:28.849 --> 00:17:31.000 limit any visual nuisances that may occur here. 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:33.859 It is typical highway development, but we thought enhancing 00:17:33.859 --> 00:17:36.000 it with landscaping would be appropriate. 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:38.819 So what they were able to provide is the required type C 00:17:38.819 --> 00:17:42.000 buffer between commercial and multifamily development. 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:45.099 They've included all of those elements here in the area in 00:17:45.099 --> 00:17:46.000 light green. 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:50.140 And then they've accommodated the required street trees, as 00:17:50.140 --> 00:17:53.000 well as required parking lot screening here on the front, 00:17:53.000 --> 00:17:55.880 as well as providing some enhanced landscaping in some of 00:17:55.880 --> 00:17:58.000 these areas you can see around their signs, 00:17:58.000 --> 00:18:01.009 as well as some additional bushes and shrubbery here at the 00:18:01.009 --> 00:18:03.920 entrances to kind of enhance the visuals of this from the 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:05.000 right-of-way. 00:18:05.000 --> 00:18:08.099 So they've accommodated all of the required landscaping, as 00:18:08.099 --> 00:18:10.940 well as provided excess in the number of total landscaping 00:18:10.940 --> 00:18:12.000 that's required. 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:14.319 Fifteen percent is the minimum. They're at almost 30 00:18:14.319 --> 00:18:15.000 percent. 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:17.579 And then you can see here they've also proposed some 00:18:17.579 --> 00:18:20.920 enhanced landscaping along the drive-through to make that 00:18:20.920 --> 00:18:25.000 more visually pleasing as you're going through. 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:27.319 So there are some color elevations, so just wanted to show 00:18:27.319 --> 00:18:30.000 the schematic drawings of the site here for your reference. 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:33.339 The building is approximately 20 feet tall with a 00:18:33.339 --> 00:18:37.049 combination of masonry and architectural metal as the main 00:18:37.049 --> 00:18:38.000 materials. 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:41.259 So looking here at the colored renderings, fairly typical 00:18:41.259 --> 00:18:43.000 prototype for a McDonald's. 00:18:43.000 --> 00:18:46.230 As I mentioned, they do have a combination of brick, some e 00:18:46.230 --> 00:18:48.859 phas on the upper portions of the building, which is a stuc 00:18:48.859 --> 00:18:50.000 co-like material, 00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:52.680 and then these architectural metal panels that have become 00:18:52.680 --> 00:18:55.000 rather popular at the McDonald's facilities. 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:57.640 You can see here on the bottom what the drive-through 00:18:57.640 --> 00:19:02.150 itself would look like, so kind of the standard McDonald's 00:19:02.150 --> 00:19:05.000 prototype, as I mentioned. 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:07.779 So some of the further analysis that we did for this case 00:19:07.779 --> 00:19:10.000 was looking at our future land use plan. 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:13.380 So this area is deemed on our future land use map for 00:19:13.380 --> 00:19:16.359 community mixed use, so that is a predominantly commercial 00:19:16.359 --> 00:19:17.000 designation. 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:20.019 It's an area where we're encouraging infill and attractive 00:19:20.019 --> 00:19:22.000 redevelopment, so that's fairly fitting. 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:27.319 Three parcels were taken with the Tex-Dot right-of-way 00:19:27.319 --> 00:19:29.000 acquisition. 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:33.380 And just in general, this is kind of a typical highway- 00:19:33.380 --> 00:19:36.430 style development that we would see in these areas at the 00:19:36.430 --> 00:19:38.000 intersection of two major arterials. 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:44.329 Looking at surrounding land uses, as I mentioned, we have a 00:19:44.329 --> 00:19:47.869 bank just to the north. This is Impress Graphics, as the 00:19:47.869 --> 00:19:49.000 other northern adjoining property. 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:51.980 And then we do have quite a bit of multifamily density here 00:19:51.980 --> 00:19:53.000 behind this use. 00:19:53.000 --> 00:19:55.859 So, like I mentioned, the McDonald's is not only consistent 00:19:55.859 --> 00:19:58.730 with what we typically see along a highway, but generally 00:19:58.730 --> 00:20:01.000 compatible with the mixture in this area. 00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:03.210 There's a gas station and other fast food just across the 00:20:03.210 --> 00:20:04.000 street from it. 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:08.019 So it's consistent with kind of the auto-oriented 00:20:08.019 --> 00:20:11.000 development that's in this area. 00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:13.900 Notifications were sent out about this. We've received no 00:20:13.900 --> 00:20:15.000 responses to date. 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:17.519 The applicant did post the required signs on the property, 00:20:17.519 --> 00:20:20.380 so you've probably seen those. They've been up since late 00:20:20.380 --> 00:20:21.000 August. 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:24.000 And there wasn't a neighborhood meeting held for this case. 00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:26.369 They didn't really see that they would get a whole lot of 00:20:26.369 --> 00:20:29.279 response from the surrounding commercial development, which 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:32.000 is consistent with what we saw with our legal notices. 00:20:32.000 --> 00:20:35.339 But I'm happy to answer any other questions. We are 00:20:35.339 --> 00:20:38.000 recommending approval of the case with one condition. 00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:40.000 Commissioner Beck. 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:42.000 Go ahead and cite the condition. 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:45.259 Okay. It's kind of our standard condition for SUPs that we 00:20:45.259 --> 00:20:47.940 consider these preliminary drawings as they go through the 00:20:47.940 --> 00:20:50.000 remainder of replatting the property. 00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:52.569 We would look at that time a full site plan would come in 00:20:52.569 --> 00:20:55.140 for review to make sure it's consistent with all of the 00:20:55.140 --> 00:20:57.000 other requirements of the code. 00:20:57.000 --> 00:20:59.000 Okay, thanks. Thank you, Chair. 00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:02.619 Concerning the text dot right-of-way, go back to your site 00:21:02.619 --> 00:21:04.000 location picture. 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:08.029 So the yellow line, everything up the yellow line is the 00:21:08.029 --> 00:21:10.000 text dot right-of-way? 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:12.720 That's correct. All of this property between the existing 00:21:12.720 --> 00:21:15.000 service road and here has been acquired by text dot. 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:17.000 And that's for future use? 00:21:17.000 --> 00:21:18.000 Correct. 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:20.000 Okay, which we don't know what that is right now, right? 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:22.380 Yeah, I think they have some schematic plans out. But the 00:21:22.380 --> 00:21:25.740 future widening of both the actual I-35 corridor as well as 00:21:25.740 --> 00:21:27.000 the service roads. 00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:31.140 My only concern, and it may not be that big of a deal, is 00:21:31.140 --> 00:21:34.190 it'll draw in some extra cars there at feeding time 00:21:34.190 --> 00:21:35.000 especially. 00:21:35.000 --> 00:21:38.079 And you've got the three lanes. You've got one where you've 00:21:38.079 --> 00:21:40.369 got to turn left, one where you got to go straight, and the 00:21:40.369 --> 00:21:42.000 other one you've got to turn right. 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:45.759 And I can see that stacking up at certain hours. It's too 00:21:45.759 --> 00:21:50.779 bad that McDonald's won't have the opportunity to put a 00:21:50.779 --> 00:21:56.000 little access lane there to keep the traffic flowing. 00:21:56.000 --> 00:21:59.180 So, I don't know. We'll just have to see how that goes. And 00:21:59.180 --> 00:22:02.210 I guess they're parking on the would be the north side. Are 00:22:02.210 --> 00:22:05.450 they sharing that with the bank next to them? Or is that 00:22:05.450 --> 00:22:08.000 theirs along that north line? Yeah. 00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:10.349 This is actually the bank property up here. So they're just 00:22:10.349 --> 00:22:11.000 showing that for... 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:13.000 That's not in their parking account? 00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:16.500 No, sir. All of their parking spaces are accommodated on 00:22:16.500 --> 00:22:17.000 site. 00:22:17.000 --> 00:22:18.000 How many they got on site? 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:21.130 They have 50, so you can see they have, you know, kind of 00:22:21.130 --> 00:22:23.869 parking on all sides as well as actually some parallel 00:22:23.869 --> 00:22:27.000 spaces, even over here and some back by the dumpsters. 00:22:27.000 --> 00:22:29.000 Are they over their limit? 00:22:29.000 --> 00:22:31.000 They're at exactly the required number. 00:22:31.000 --> 00:22:33.000 Okay, great. Thank you. 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:35.880 And with respect to the driveways, they did do a full 00:22:35.880 --> 00:22:39.059 traffic impact analysis for this. And they've worked with 00:22:39.059 --> 00:22:41.680 PreTam extensively to make sure that these driveways are at 00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:43.000 appropriate locations. 00:22:43.000 --> 00:22:47.829 So, the spacing was a little difficult, but they were able 00:22:47.829 --> 00:22:52.740 to meet everyone's goals in providing what PreTam considers 00:22:52.740 --> 00:22:55.000 safe access to the site. 00:22:55.000 --> 00:22:57.000 Commissioner Sanchez. 00:22:57.000 --> 00:23:01.660 On what you talk about the vegetation, on the south side 00:23:01.660 --> 00:23:06.690 you have some trees right there. Now, is there any concern 00:23:06.690 --> 00:23:11.720 that as those trees mature, they'll hide the McDonald's and 00:23:11.720 --> 00:23:14.000 it won't be as visible? 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:16.859 You know, it is possible, but as is typical with McDonald's 00:23:16.859 --> 00:23:19.819 , they have plans for all of their normal signs to make sure 00:23:19.819 --> 00:23:23.000 that their site is adequately visible from the right away. 00:23:23.000 --> 00:23:26.180 So they would have not only the sign here on Fort Worth 00:23:26.180 --> 00:23:29.720 Drive, they also have plans to apply for permits for signs 00:23:29.720 --> 00:23:32.900 along the freeway to make sure the site visibility is 00:23:32.900 --> 00:23:34.000 maintained. 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:36.299 And then of course all these existing trees in this area 00:23:36.299 --> 00:23:40.450 are within the text out right of way. So, you know, that 00:23:40.450 --> 00:23:45.599 would be up to text out as to how long those trees maintain 00:23:45.599 --> 00:23:47.000 on the site. 00:23:47.000 --> 00:23:49.000 Commissioner Beck. 00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:54.759 Thank you, Chair. That raises another question. Are we 00:23:54.759 --> 00:23:57.269 going to put the tree protections around those existing 00:23:57.269 --> 00:23:59.839 trees, even though it's on text out, but I mean, because 00:23:59.839 --> 00:24:02.000 they could be impacted by construction. 00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:04.619 So are we, is the city going to be responsible for 00:24:04.619 --> 00:24:07.000 protecting those trees or is it text out? 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:09.160 The tree protection would apply to the area that they're 00:24:09.160 --> 00:24:11.430 disturbing, which would just be within the boundaries of 00:24:11.430 --> 00:24:14.000 this lot. So there are several trees. 00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:16.490 There's one existing tree here within the buffer area as 00:24:16.490 --> 00:24:18.920 well as a few others that you can see called out here with 00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:21.480 these large circles, that they would be required to have 00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:23.720 protection around because those are on their tree 00:24:23.720 --> 00:24:25.000 preservation plan. 00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:29.299 So, if some of those existing trees on text out right away 00:24:29.299 --> 00:24:36.170 gets damaged, nobody's going to take responsibility for 00:24:36.170 --> 00:24:37.000 that? 00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:39.660 Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't believe they would have 00:24:39.660 --> 00:24:42.000 any impact with their development in this area. 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:46.390 It shouldn't, it should all be outside of their area of 00:24:46.390 --> 00:24:47.000 impact. 00:24:47.000 --> 00:24:50.329 Most of them do look like you've got the cluster right 00:24:50.329 --> 00:24:51.000 there. 00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:53.359 This driveway, the paving is already there, so they may do 00:24:53.359 --> 00:24:55.769 some improvements there, but their construction would be 00:24:55.769 --> 00:24:57.000 just within their lot. 00:24:57.000 --> 00:25:01.000 Okay, thank you. 00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:05.000 So a couple questions. 00:25:05.000 --> 00:25:10.750 The current exit ramp, is it right at, I'm trying to 00:25:10.750 --> 00:25:13.000 visualize. 00:25:13.000 --> 00:25:18.630 Okay, it got moved back. Okay, it used to be a lot closer 00:25:18.630 --> 00:25:20.000 before this. 00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:21.000 So that's good. 00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:26.880 The other question I have is, we just widened I-30, well we 00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:28.000 , not me. 00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:31.690 Text out is widened I-35 and the service roads seem to be 00:25:31.690 --> 00:25:34.930 in place, so it seems, I don't know the timeframe of 00:25:34.930 --> 00:25:37.000 extending that any further. 00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:42.769 But what's, who's required to keep that plot of land decent 00:25:42.769 --> 00:25:44.000 looking? 00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:48.000 Because it could be years before anything happens there, 00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:51.299 and we're going to have this text out owned property that 00:25:51.299 --> 00:25:54.000 is a pretty prime location to the entrance of our city, 00:25:54.000 --> 00:25:58.599 that no one has responsibility to put nice grasses or 00:25:58.599 --> 00:26:00.000 anything in? 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:02.880 It is fully owned and maintained by TextDOT, it's my 00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:04.000 understanding. 00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:07.400 They have kind of the same situation all over the city 00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:11.529 where they've acquired all this future right of way, but it 00:26:11.529 --> 00:26:15.000 is owned and maintained by TextDOT. 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:18.779 That's concerning. And then the last question I have is, 00:26:18.779 --> 00:26:22.569 just because we had McDonald's, maybe the same people come 00:26:22.569 --> 00:26:26.000 a couple years ago, closer to campus or on campus, 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:27.000 depending on who you ask. 00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:31.450 There's a large backlash on signage. There's a lot of talk 00:26:31.450 --> 00:26:35.490 about the signs they get put up and how tall and where they 00:26:35.490 --> 00:26:36.000 go. 00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:40.309 Is that to be determined in this SUP or is that just, they 00:26:40.309 --> 00:26:45.119 just have to approve staffs or the city's requirements? How 00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:46.000 does the signage work? 00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:48.430 Yeah, so signs are, each individual sign would be a 00:26:48.430 --> 00:26:51.180 separate permit application, so it's not like if they apply 00:26:51.180 --> 00:26:53.380 for three signs that they'd all get approved or denied 00:26:53.380 --> 00:26:54.000 together. 00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:56.000 They're all looked at independently. 00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:58.980 And those, even though they showed their intended sign 00:26:58.980 --> 00:27:01.849 locations here on this plan, those are each subject to 00:27:01.849 --> 00:27:05.009 individual review and approval as they get further through 00:27:05.009 --> 00:27:06.000 the process. 00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:09.480 But correct me if I'm wrong, the signage on the primary 00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:13.349 arterial has a different standard than the freeway side, or 00:27:13.349 --> 00:27:15.000 is it based on zoning? 00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:19.819 It is both. It's by zoning and type of roadway. So the Fort 00:27:19.819 --> 00:27:24.269 Worth Drive sign would have different criteria than the 00:27:24.269 --> 00:27:26.000 freeway signage. 00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:28.170 I'm happy to look into what those limits are if you're 00:27:28.170 --> 00:27:30.000 interested before the regular meeting. 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:33.339 Not a big deal. And then they are continuing to drive 00:27:33.339 --> 00:27:37.309 through TxDOT property. Are they required to maintain all 00:27:37.309 --> 00:27:40.740 the way up to the curb? Or where is their requirements to 00:27:40.740 --> 00:27:42.000 maintain that exit? 00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:45.599 I believe, you know, until something occurs here that this 00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:49.150 would be their driveway to maintain. They are, or they will 00:27:49.150 --> 00:27:51.960 be required to get a TxDOT permit for any work that they do 00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:54.390 on this property, but it would be their driveway to 00:27:54.390 --> 00:27:56.000 maintain, is my understanding. 00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:57.000 Okay, thank you. 00:27:57.000 --> 00:27:59.000 Christian Pernetta. 00:27:59.000 --> 00:28:03.109 So, I believe one of the entrances is shared by the bank, 00:28:03.109 --> 00:28:07.500 the one off of Locust. Is that entrance into the McDonald's 00:28:07.500 --> 00:28:11.200 , do they share an entrance with a, it looks like an 00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:13.000 apartment complex? 00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:17.000 I see if it shows up well on the aerial. 00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:20.089 I have a more zoomed in version. Their driveway would be 00:28:20.089 --> 00:28:23.299 just south of the apartment. So you can see here it doesn't 00:28:23.299 --> 00:28:26.660 show up very well. This, where I'm pointing with the cursor 00:28:26.660 --> 00:28:29.900 , is actually the apartments driveway, and theirs is just 00:28:29.900 --> 00:28:31.000 south of that. 00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:32.000 Okay. 00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:35.500 Kind of right in the in the bend of South Locust Street. So 00:28:35.500 --> 00:28:37.000 , it's not ideal. 00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:40.880 But, but it was the best suited location and it is actually 00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:44.829 existing paving for whatever used to be on that property. 00:28:44.829 --> 00:28:47.920 It was an existing driveway. Because that's kind of like a 00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:49.670 tight fit because, because I get around traffic all the 00:28:49.670 --> 00:28:51.000 time by bailing at Locust and going there. 00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:56.000 And that's, so it means a lot to me. 00:28:56.000 --> 00:29:00.799 But, but, so, so what you're describing is like right off 00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:05.349 the turn right before the bend would be the entrance into 00:29:05.349 --> 00:29:07.769 the McDonald's. Correct. And that's kind of two quick turns 00:29:07.769 --> 00:29:09.000 . I'm not, it seems like it might be a little bit dangerous. 00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:12.440 It was looked at in part of their traffic impact analysis, 00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:15.819 and what they found is the the apartment driveway has very 00:29:15.819 --> 00:29:19.119 low traffic volume so they didn't see that there would be 00:29:19.119 --> 00:29:22.410 any any you know inconsistencies or hazards there if you 00:29:22.410 --> 00:29:26.000 will between traffic competing between the between the two 00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:26.000 driveways. 00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:30.000 It is a quick motion but it being an existing driveway. 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:32.599 It was kind of hard to say no you can't use the paving that 00:29:32.599 --> 00:29:35.569 's already on your property. But, but all of this was looked 00:29:35.569 --> 00:29:38.420 at in depth because they were trying to determine, you know 00:29:38.420 --> 00:29:41.230 , which one of these two driveways here on the service road 00:29:41.230 --> 00:29:43.000 would be more appropriate. 00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:45.759 And this was found the southern one closest to that Locust 00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:48.460 Point was found to be kind of the safer where people would 00:29:48.460 --> 00:29:51.220 have more time to determine what they're doing as they're 00:29:51.220 --> 00:29:54.119 entering and leaving the McDonald's with these three lanes 00:29:54.119 --> 00:29:56.000 on the on the frontage road. 00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:58.730 But, but yeah that was a concern, but the volume of traffic 00:29:58.730 --> 00:30:01.430 that uses that apartment entrance wasn't high enough that 00:30:01.430 --> 00:30:03.980 they thought there would be any conflict there between 00:30:03.980 --> 00:30:07.000 people trying to get to McDonald's versus the apartments. 00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:11.000 Okay, thank you. 00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:15.000 Any other questions on this item. 00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:19.000 Is the applicant going to be present tonight. I believe so. 00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:24.710 Thank you. That ends our public hearing items so we will 00:30:24.710 --> 00:30:29.349 move on to our work session item to to a would be receive a 00:30:29.349 --> 00:30:34.000 presentation and discussion about project types. 00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:41.000 I believe this is a continuation from last meeting. 00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:45.000 Good evening I'm Julie Wyatt. 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:48.630 And I am presenting the second half of boot camp for the 00:30:48.630 --> 00:30:52.720 second half of the introduction of boot camp. So, last 00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:57.259 meeting we, we started talking about the project type so my 00:30:57.259 --> 00:31:01.500 task was to talk to you to you about what types of projects 00:31:01.500 --> 00:31:05.000 that the city typically season that you see, 00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:08.710 whether or not that project type requires a public hearing, 00:31:08.710 --> 00:31:12.049 and then who approves it so if I if I repeat myself tell me 00:31:12.049 --> 00:31:15.369 to keep skipping forward but I think we talked about the 00:31:15.369 --> 00:31:18.809 pre development meeting and what that meant and what how 00:31:18.809 --> 00:31:21.000 developers use that pre development 00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:22.000 meeting. 00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:26.049 And we had, we started talking about the entitlement 00:31:26.049 --> 00:31:27.000 process. 00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:37.460 Had we finished it. I'll dive in and we'll, and we'll, if I 00:31:37.460 --> 00:31:38.230 repeat myself. That's all right so. So in the development 00:31:38.230 --> 00:31:39.000 process kind of the next step would be entitlement so. 00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:42.549 First of all, if a property isn't within the city of Denton 00:31:42.549 --> 00:31:46.299 , an applicant may choose to pursue an annexation. That's 00:31:46.299 --> 00:31:48.700 not something that comes before the planning and zoning 00:31:48.700 --> 00:31:51.000 Commission it would go straight to city council. 00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:54.420 But as you probably are aware when a property is annexed 00:31:54.420 --> 00:31:57.849 into the city of Denton, it gets kind of a place holding 00:31:57.849 --> 00:32:01.000 zoning designation it's not actually zoned. 00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:04.680 So, so they may have to do a zoning for that property, 00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:08.710 particularly if they're going to develop something other 00:32:08.710 --> 00:32:12.000 than a single family home on a five acre lot. 00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:15.220 So, the first thing the staff does when we receive a rez 00:32:15.220 --> 00:32:18.509 oning request is to look at the future land use map and the 00:32:18.509 --> 00:32:20.000 comprehensive plan. 00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:23.220 If the if a rezoning doesn't match the comprehensive plan. 00:32:23.220 --> 00:32:26.329 There are a couple ways that could be addressed. One is a 00:32:26.329 --> 00:32:29.480 comprehensive plan amendment. This is not something that we 00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:32.000 see terribly often within the city of Denton. 00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:35.940 The code is pretty specific that it can only be done four 00:32:35.940 --> 00:32:39.799 times a year and it actually lays out what months can be 00:32:39.799 --> 00:32:43.000 the comprehensive plan can be amended. 00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:46.339 But the code does allow for zoning changes that are not 00:32:46.339 --> 00:32:49.700 consistent with the comprehensive plan to move forward 00:32:49.700 --> 00:32:53.289 provided that they have additional criteria for approval 00:32:53.289 --> 00:32:56.000 that they have to, they have to meet so. 00:32:56.000 --> 00:32:59.339 So the second project type would be that comprehensive plan 00:32:59.339 --> 00:33:02.740 amendment, it would follow that that process you typically 00:33:02.740 --> 00:33:05.000 see where there is a public hearing. 00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:09.029 This group would recommend make a recommendation and then 00:33:09.029 --> 00:33:12.910 city council would either approve or deny that request a 00:33:12.910 --> 00:33:18.000 zoning change is something you frequently see and that is, 00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:19.000 it requires a public hearing. 00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:23.299 And this, this commission is a recommending body, and then 00:33:23.299 --> 00:33:27.000 city council would approve or deny that request. 00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:30.569 Master plan community is something you don't see often as 00:33:30.569 --> 00:33:34.279 well. If you're curious in sub chapter seven of the Denton 00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:37.789 development code it lays out that master plan community 00:33:37.789 --> 00:33:39.000 project type. 00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:42.940 It really is kind of, it's a plan development but it's a 00:33:42.940 --> 00:33:46.980 very large scale plan development so the code requires a 00:33:46.980 --> 00:33:52.329 minimum of either 300 contiguous acres, or 125 contiguous 00:33:52.329 --> 00:33:56.190 acres provided that it's under one ownership so it's a 00:33:56.190 --> 00:33:59.000 really large project. 00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:03.059 It includes the entire zoning, in that it would lay out the 00:34:03.059 --> 00:34:06.869 text as well as a map for that area the text would include 00:34:06.869 --> 00:34:10.889 the uses permitted, maybe the development standards, 00:34:10.889 --> 00:34:14.000 cohesive design, design standards. 00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:17.349 So, and then it would include a map that would say where 00:34:17.349 --> 00:34:20.769 those those uses would go so it is really just a very large 00:34:20.769 --> 00:34:24.260 plan development. We don't have a lot of those I think we 00:34:24.260 --> 00:34:27.599 have a couple of them within the city but to my knowledge 00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:30.000 we haven't had one actually developed. 00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:33.000 So, but they may come forward. 00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:36.429 Specific use permit, you just, you just talked about one, 00:34:36.429 --> 00:34:39.659 we see those from time to time. As you're probably aware 00:34:39.659 --> 00:34:42.780 specific use permit is is required for some uses within 00:34:42.780 --> 00:34:46.239 zoning districts that may be compatible, but that require a 00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:48.000 little extra scrutiny. 00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:51.710 Often there are design considerations associated with it so 00:34:51.710 --> 00:34:55.190 you saw that Haley talked about that we looked at that that 00:34:55.190 --> 00:34:58.739 McDonald's is kind of a pedestrian oriented so what kind of 00:34:58.739 --> 00:35:02.400 landscaping would be associated where would the driveways 00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:03.000 go how would we, how would 00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:06.599 those vehicles move safely in and out of the site to ensure 00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:10.239 that it is compatible with the adjacent development, and 00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:13.809 when all with also with the, the general character of the 00:35:13.809 --> 00:35:17.400 area so all those zonings often are just looking at the use 00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:18.000 and the development scale 00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:21.530 kind of that high level that specific use really does get 00:35:21.530 --> 00:35:24.929 into the weeds about where those trees are where those 00:35:24.929 --> 00:35:28.000 driveways are what the building looks like. 00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:31.969 That is reviewed by staff. It requires a public hearing, a 00:35:31.969 --> 00:35:35.960 recommendation and then council will approve a specific use 00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:38.000 permit plan development. 00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:41.489 You may or may not be aware we we had planned developments 00:35:41.489 --> 00:35:45.510 within the city of Denton in the 2002 code they got rid of 00:35:45.510 --> 00:35:49.150 plan developments but they retained a few of them, I think 00:35:49.150 --> 00:35:51.000 16 or 15 of them. 00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:54.230 So, so we don't have a lot but we do have some and so this 00:35:54.230 --> 00:35:58.000 plan development amendment sometimes come before you. 00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:01.099 And typically what you see is the detail plan so it often 00:36:01.099 --> 00:36:04.469 looks kind of like a specific use permit it's really, there 00:36:04.469 --> 00:36:07.789 's a lot of design considerations associated with that not 00:36:07.789 --> 00:36:10.909 necessarily talking about the use but of course the use 00:36:10.909 --> 00:36:14.000 would inform the design so. 00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:17.329 And how it's compatible with the adjacent property so that 00:36:17.329 --> 00:36:20.880 plan development amendment follows that that public hearing 00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:24.250 process that staff reviews it, it comes before y'all after 00:36:24.250 --> 00:36:28.000 that public hearing notification and then council approves 00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:30.000 or denies it. 00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:32.000 Yes, sir back. 00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:36.000 And I could be wrong this along the DC rewrite. 00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:46.920 The master plan communities. They're going away, aren't 00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:48.860 they, and being replaced by plan development. I believe so, 00:36:48.860 --> 00:36:50.710 yes. Okay. Okay, so the ones that exist now though, we 00:36:50.710 --> 00:36:52.360 still hold them to that criteria that they were formed 00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:56.380 under right, I'm going to, I would imagine that they're 00:36:56.380 --> 00:36:58.590 going to continue on as a plan development with those 00:36:58.590 --> 00:36:59.000 design criteria. 00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:01.000 Okay, yes. 00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:04.300 Thank you. All right, so if a developer has got their entit 00:37:04.300 --> 00:37:07.639 lement in place they've gone through those public hearings, 00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:11.000 they're looking to forward to developing the property. 00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:14.840 We start actually looking at the land and how it's going to 00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:17.000 be split apart or developed. 00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:20.599 So, so then plotting and environmentally sensitive areas 00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:24.050 come into play. If the property has an environmentally 00:37:24.050 --> 00:37:27.610 sensitive area something like a riparian buffer or upland 00:37:27.610 --> 00:37:30.579 habitat some forested area, they may need to do an 00:37:30.579 --> 00:37:33.000 environmentally environmentally sensitive 00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:36.429 area assessment that is approved at the staff level. But 00:37:36.429 --> 00:37:39.159 what it does is allow staff to go out and look for 00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:41.960 biological markers that would indicate that an 00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:45.530 environmentally sensitive area is in place, and then maybe 00:37:45.530 --> 00:37:49.000 what those boundaries are so that we can actually map it. 00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:52.619 So, so that would be one step that that the applicant may 00:37:52.619 --> 00:37:56.489 have to go through a subdivision variance would come before 00:37:56.489 --> 00:38:00.230 the planning and zoning Commission if they wanted to vary 00:38:00.230 --> 00:38:04.460 from sub chapter 16 of the Denton Development Code we don't 00:38:04.460 --> 00:38:07.000 see those very often. 00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:10.690 But it is a possibility if they wanted to vary from one of 00:38:10.690 --> 00:38:14.429 those criteria in there, it would, it would require a 00:38:14.429 --> 00:38:18.289 public hearing, and then, but the decision would be made 00:38:18.289 --> 00:38:19.000 here. 00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:22.230 So, the advance plots are a plot that would subdivide the 00:38:22.230 --> 00:38:25.219 property it doesn't give any development rights for 00:38:25.219 --> 00:38:28.409 developer it just merely cuts a large tract into several 00:38:28.409 --> 00:38:31.590 pieces, and that is approved by the planning and zoning 00:38:31.590 --> 00:38:37.000 Commission, as well as the general development plan, 00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:39.809 that's also approved by the planning and zoning Commission 00:38:39.809 --> 00:38:42.210 that would be for large tracks, where we talk about 00:38:42.210 --> 00:38:44.860 infrastructure and make sure that infrastructure is in 00:38:44.860 --> 00:38:47.349 place or where it's going to go preliminary plots are 00:38:47.349 --> 00:38:48.000 approved by the planning and 00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:51.670 zoning Commission, as are, and then amending and minor 00:38:51.670 --> 00:38:55.250 plots those are approved by staff, y'all don't ever see 00:38:55.250 --> 00:38:59.369 those. So just to let you know what a minor plot is a minor 00:38:59.369 --> 00:39:03.260 plot is a is a plot that subdivide the property into four 00:39:03.260 --> 00:39:06.000 or fewer lots that no public infrastructure 00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:10.090 is required, except for a sidewalk, and that would generate 00:39:10.090 --> 00:39:14.360 fewer than 1000 vehicle trips per day so that's what our 00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:18.380 code allows that to be approved at the staff level. And so 00:39:18.380 --> 00:39:21.000 does the Texas local government code. 00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:24.199 So if an applicant does find that they have an ESA and 00:39:24.199 --> 00:39:28.050 environmentally sensitive area on their property, they, 00:39:28.050 --> 00:39:31.610 they may want to impact it, because per the code they can't 00:39:31.610 --> 00:39:35.159 impact it unless they get approval of an environmentally 00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:38.000 sensitive area plan so I know we've seen a couple 00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:42.019 of them I think you just recently saw one that they, they 00:39:42.019 --> 00:39:46.130 needed to cross that so if if that's the case, staff would 00:39:46.130 --> 00:39:50.079 review it public hearing is required PNC recommend is a 00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:54.360 recommending body and then Council would approve civil 00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:55.000 engineering 00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:58.440 plans are not something that come here they're part of the 00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:01.869 final plot review. It's to review things like water and 00:40:01.869 --> 00:40:05.610 sewer extensions to any perimeter street improvements, any 00:40:05.610 --> 00:40:07.000 regional drainage. 00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:09.000 So replats. 00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:12.920 You're seeing a couple tonight, and that is approved here 00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:17.000 and then replats and residential replats. Those require a 00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:20.000 public hearing and they are approved by PNC. 00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:22.690 We're getting close to the end of an alternative 00:40:22.690 --> 00:40:26.179 development plan. So, so, a developer has their entit 00:40:26.179 --> 00:40:29.690 lements they have their planning and now they're looking to 00:40:29.690 --> 00:40:31.000 develop the site. 00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:34.750 If, if they cannot meet all the site design requirements or 00:40:34.750 --> 00:40:38.670 if there's something unique you know, something about their 00:40:38.670 --> 00:40:42.030 project that they can't meet all of them that are in sub 00:40:42.030 --> 00:40:45.000 chapter 13 and the development code. 00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:48.869 They can do something called an alternative development 00:40:48.869 --> 00:40:52.969 plan. And this is really site specific, it's you specific 00:40:52.969 --> 00:40:56.599 it's design specific and it is approved or approved or 00:40:56.599 --> 00:41:00.139 denied or approved with conditions are denied by the 00:41:00.139 --> 00:41:01.000 planning and zoning commission so essentially 00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:04.809 an approval by the planning and zoning commission. Often 00:41:04.809 --> 00:41:08.480 you'll see that maybe they can't meet a certain screening 00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:12.070 with, but they would come in here and say well I can't meet 00:41:12.070 --> 00:41:16.000 that with but I'm going to add this mini landscape elements 00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:17.000 so you can't. 00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:20.510 So, so there's there's a lot of discussion within the 00:41:20.510 --> 00:41:24.260 review of that to make sure that the intent of those design 00:41:24.260 --> 00:41:28.239 criteria are met, but that it provides some flexibility for 00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:32.000 that applicant, and that would be approved here. 00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:35.760 No public hearing, but it is a public meeting so that's 00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:39.789 that that's this razor ranch site plan that's approved you 00:41:39.789 --> 00:41:43.730 saw one tonight approved by PNC, and then a site plan if an 00:41:43.730 --> 00:41:47.429 applicant was coming in and they were going to meet all 00:41:47.429 --> 00:41:49.000 site design requirements 00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:55.539 in sub chapter 13, then it would just be a staff level 00:41:55.539 --> 00:41:57.000 approval. 00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:01.530 These. The next group doesn't come to you it goes to the 00:42:01.530 --> 00:42:04.769 zoning Board of Adjustment but a hardship variance just for 00:42:04.769 --> 00:42:08.000 your edification is reviewed by planning or by staff. 00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:10.630 It does require a public hearing, and then the zoning Board 00:42:10.630 --> 00:42:13.320 of Adjustment would approve that approve it with conditions 00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:17.679 or deny it. And then an appeal of an administrative 00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:22.000 decision is reviewed and approved by PN by ZBA. 00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:25.650 The historic landmark we see a couple of those come through 00:42:25.650 --> 00:42:29.079 every year or so that has an extra step to it and that it's 00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:32.780 it's they make an application with staff. It's reviewed by 00:42:32.780 --> 00:42:35.690 staff, it goes to the HLC the historic landmark commission, 00:42:35.690 --> 00:42:37.000 then it comes here and 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:40.190 then it goes to city council because it's actually an extra 00:42:40.190 --> 00:42:43.000 layer of zoning on it on an individual property. 00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:49.619 So that is mostly all of the project. It generally the ones 00:42:49.619 --> 00:42:53.940 that we see most often. So this is just a summary and this 00:42:53.940 --> 00:42:58.530 is kind of a restating of section 35.4.1 and the 00:42:58.530 --> 00:43:03.380 development code, just as a shorthand PNC approves GDPs and 00:43:03.380 --> 00:43:05.000 plots, alternative 00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:07.869 eases plans razor ranch site plans and subdivision var 00:43:07.869 --> 00:43:10.579 iances. The planning and zoning recommends a is a 00:43:10.579 --> 00:43:13.420 recommending body and city council approved company 00:43:13.420 --> 00:43:16.130 comprehensive plan amendments zoning master plan 00:43:16.130 --> 00:43:19.000 communities SUPs plan development 00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:23.019 amendments alternative uses, and DDC text amendments, and 00:43:23.019 --> 00:43:26.000 then city council only looks at annexations. 00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:29.000 Any questions about that. 00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:32.840 Okay, I'll be very fast I know y'all are might be boot camp 00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:36.539 ed out but public hearing requirements we'll talk very 00:43:36.539 --> 00:43:40.429 briefly about those because I know it comes up from time to 00:43:40.429 --> 00:43:44.329 time and I know it's a really important part of that of the 00:43:44.329 --> 00:43:45.000 process. 00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:48.079 So just to recap there are four elements to the public 00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:51.719 hearing require or notification requirements. It has to be 00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:55.219 in the newspaper. There's a mailing component, the sign 00:43:55.219 --> 00:43:58.510 posting and then the website and then we'll talk briefly 00:43:58.510 --> 00:44:00.000 about the protest. 00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:02.769 So first of all newspaper. I don't know if y'all are aware 00:44:02.769 --> 00:44:05.280 but this is what the newspaper ads look like it has the 00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:08.489 caption. It has a map contact information and then the 00:44:08.489 --> 00:44:10.000 meeting information. 00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:16.929 It has to be in the paper. The day before the day before 15 00:44:16.929 --> 00:44:20.289 days before the meeting so essentially 17 days before the 00:44:20.289 --> 00:44:21.000 meeting. 00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:41.070 We also have a mailing. The city of Denton goes above and 00:44:41.070 --> 00:44:41.239 beyond with the Texas local government code requires so the 00:44:41.239 --> 00:44:41.440 Texas local government require Texas local government code 00:44:41.440 --> 00:44:41.610 requires that the newspaper, and then a mailing to property 00:44:41.610 --> 00:44:42.000 owners within 200 feet of the subject property. 00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:45.769 The city of Denton does do that mailing, and here is kind 00:44:45.769 --> 00:44:49.429 of a just to pull out of what that looks like. Recent 00:44:49.429 --> 00:44:52.610 projects have have caused some confusion for the public 00:44:52.610 --> 00:44:55.860 about what was actually being considered so we're always 00:44:55.860 --> 00:44:58.000 trying to improve our public notification 00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:01.380 and our public outreach and so recently we've added to our 00:45:01.380 --> 00:45:04.960 notification letters, a little blurb about kind of what the 00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:08.190 project, what's really being considered not just the 00:45:08.190 --> 00:45:11.420 caption the captions, fairly vague so we're trying to 00:45:11.420 --> 00:45:14.000 improve that make sure that we're providing the public 00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:17.329 with enough information to make decisions to make decisions 00:45:17.329 --> 00:45:20.579 about what kind of feedback they want to give. So, this, 00:45:20.579 --> 00:45:23.900 the 200 foot notification by the city of Denton is sent 00:45:23.900 --> 00:45:26.829 certified mail that is above and beyond with the Texas 00:45:26.829 --> 00:45:29.000 local government code requires. 00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:33.289 And it does have to be sent it 12 days, two days, the day 00:45:33.289 --> 00:45:37.119 before the day before 10 days before the meeting so 00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:41.869 essentially 12 days before the meeting, and that it's, it's 00:45:41.869 --> 00:45:45.519 male to each owner as indicated by the most recently 00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:49.000 approved city tax roll that can create some confusion, 00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:54.389 because houses are bought and sold all year long, and so, 00:45:54.389 --> 00:46:00.000 but this tax rolls are only certified once a year. So it. 00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:02.860 There can be some lag time and that, you know, sometimes 00:46:02.860 --> 00:46:06.000 you don't always get the most current information on there. 00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:07.000 Julie. 00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:09.880 Is there a reason that the city doesn't use the central app 00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:12.940 raisal district that seems to have more updated information 00:46:12.940 --> 00:46:17.000 about ownership. We do get that information once a year. 00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:20.349 I believe it's our DDC that that talks about that it has to 00:46:20.349 --> 00:46:23.760 be the most recently approved city tax roll so, and we've 00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:27.280 talked internally about having some sort of rolling where 00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:31.000 we get that most up to date information, but under current 00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:32.000 regulations, 00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:39.840 it's got to be that that once a year shot at those at those 00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:42.000 tax rolls, so. 00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:45.380 We also go beyond but this may, I think this helps it a 00:46:45.380 --> 00:46:49.250 little bit because the city requires an additional mailing 00:46:49.250 --> 00:46:52.550 that goes to the property address so we send it to the 00:46:52.550 --> 00:46:56.170 property owner, and then we also send it to the property 00:46:56.170 --> 00:46:58.000 address so if we don't capture them 00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:01.519 within that property owner, we at least get them on the 00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:04.969 address and they get the postcard and I think we worked 00:47:04.969 --> 00:47:08.349 pretty closely with this group here about how to best 00:47:08.349 --> 00:47:12.000 notify property owners within the 500 feet. 00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:16.719 And that does go both to the people within 200 and 500. Yes 00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:20.789 , sir, that whole so that entire boundary Yes, sir. So, so 00:47:20.789 --> 00:47:25.119 if you're within 200 feet you're getting a certified letter 00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:28.000 and you're getting a postcard from us. 00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:43.000 So we do residents. The postcard there was a lot of 00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:43.000 discussion about what do people open, how can we make sure 00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:43.000 that they see it. And it was the postcard we felt like was 00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:43.000 the best, the best way because it's it provides the caption 00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:43.000 . 00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:47.199 It provides a map, and it's a quick snapshot that they can 00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:51.440 look at and know that it probably. They probably need to 00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:53.000 pay attention to it. 00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:56.760 We also require the applicants to put signs on the property 00:47:56.760 --> 00:48:00.269 , so that as people pass by I know we've we've recently u 00:48:00.269 --> 00:48:04.030 pped the size of the signs because they were quite small and 00:48:04.030 --> 00:48:06.000 we're difficult to read. 00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:18.199 So we've, we've, they've generated a lot of interest and 00:48:18.199 --> 00:48:23.769 that's a good thing. And then our website, the all upcoming 00:48:23.769 --> 00:48:24.789 public hearings are put on our website so those are four 00:48:24.789 --> 00:48:26.000 ways we try to try to alert the public to what's coming up. 00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:30.219 So there's a protest component to this. And just to, we see 00:48:30.219 --> 00:48:33.690 this map a lot, and I don't know how often we explain it 00:48:33.690 --> 00:48:38.340 but just to go over it briefly. So, just this is a recent 00:48:38.340 --> 00:48:42.000 case this is the property in yellow. 00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:46.300 The boundary there is in red and then there's the 500 foot 00:48:46.300 --> 00:48:49.969 boundary per the Texas local government code property 00:48:49.969 --> 00:48:53.989 owners within 200 feet of the subject site, have the 00:48:53.989 --> 00:48:58.000 ability to protest, the, the action or the request. 00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:01.000 They have to provide the protest in writing. 00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:09.820 And, and the only portion that counts is the part that is 00:49:09.820 --> 00:49:12.000 actually. 00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:16.000 That 200 feet so. 00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:23.719 If you're this property owner only this part here counts 00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:30.780 toward that protest so it is, it is the the land area 00:49:30.780 --> 00:49:33.409 within that. If there is a protest that exceeds 20% of that 00:49:33.409 --> 00:49:33.880 land area, then it does require a supermajority at City 00:49:33.880 --> 00:49:34.000 Council. 00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:38.369 I would also say if this, if this group votes to deny or 00:49:38.369 --> 00:49:42.889 recommend denial of a request that would also trigger a 00:49:42.889 --> 00:49:48.000 supermajority at City Council, and that's six out of seven. 00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:49.000 Any questions. 00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:54.000 All right. 00:49:54.000 --> 00:50:05.230 I'm going to talk about maybe how that goes. Excuse me, up 00:50:05.230 --> 00:50:06.050 until the meeting. So it doesn't just stop it after the PNC 00:50:06.050 --> 00:50:06.840 hearing. That's a really good point those that goes up 00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:07.710 until when City Council votes and we've, we've been sitting 00:50:07.710 --> 00:50:10.000 at City Council before with our calculators 00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:15.570 so we've we've had some where they really got up to the 00:50:15.570 --> 00:50:21.619 wire, and then tie vote, I don't know if I could speak elo 00:50:21.619 --> 00:50:27.300 quently on tie vote I might ask legal or Scott to jump in 00:50:27.300 --> 00:50:29.000 here and 00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:31.590 just one piece that's important when we talk about the 00:50:31.590 --> 00:50:34.320 supermajority Scott McDonald director of development 00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:37.039 services that we're going to be bringing forward a piece 00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:39.920 that's going to address the tie vote provision that it will 00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:43.000 still continue to be a denial as this 00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:46.639 report is recognized to the past we've had a tie vote that 00:50:46.639 --> 00:50:50.630 ultimately was just going to continue perpetually unless we 00:50:50.630 --> 00:50:54.119 address this. So Council had been provided with the 00:50:54.119 --> 00:50:58.179 presentation, addressing the issue how they want to address 00:50:58.179 --> 00:51:01.000 it with a variety of boards or just 00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:04.599 specifically with PNC. Their recommendation was to bring 00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:07.949 forward that we would address it with PNC only we are going 00:51:07.949 --> 00:51:11.389 to provide a text amendment, which is going to address the 00:51:11.389 --> 00:51:14.000 fact that if there is in fact a tie vote. 00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:18.079 That tie vote would be a denial, and it would go forward to 00:51:18.079 --> 00:51:19.000 counsel. 00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:22.000 And then it would just be a regular majority with counsel. 00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:28.000 So, just kind of cool questions, Christopher Smith. 00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:31.000 Thank you, Chair. 00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:34.449 Did we model that ordinance or that text amendment on other 00:51:34.449 --> 00:51:37.699 cities who have that already put in place or where did we 00:51:37.699 --> 00:51:41.079 decide, not that I disagree with the deciding to make it a 00:51:41.079 --> 00:51:44.329 denial just that that is finite to the applicant that if 00:51:44.329 --> 00:51:48.000 there's a tie perpetual tie. 00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:51.199 Is, is it only in the case where there's a perpetual tie or 00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:54.659 is it, you know, Andrew's missing that one meeting, or type 00:51:54.659 --> 00:51:57.849 boom it's a denial whereas if we wait two weeks, Andrew's 00:51:57.849 --> 00:52:02.329 back, we could have a final decision, and perhaps we should 00:52:02.329 --> 00:52:04.000 leave this not not to steal any of your 00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:07.230 time away from what we're doing here today I just wanted to 00:52:07.230 --> 00:52:10.139 mention that that will be coming before you as a work 00:52:10.139 --> 00:52:13.070 session, or as it as an item that has to go through the 00:52:13.070 --> 00:52:16.000 process just like any other text amendment. 00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:18.539 I just wanted to reference that as we talk about simple 00:52:18.539 --> 00:52:21.320 majority that make sure that you're aware of where we're at 00:52:21.320 --> 00:52:24.679 this happened on September 11, September 11 meeting we just 00:52:24.679 --> 00:52:27.380 haven't had an opportunity to discuss that I think we have 00:52:27.380 --> 00:52:32.150 October 24 slated that that I don't will be come before you 00:52:32.150 --> 00:52:34.000 with a presentation. 00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:38.000 We'll grow you on them. Perfect. 00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:43.199 We're back. Thank you chair and to tag on to that, I guess. 00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:48.000 So if we do have a tie here, you're saying it can go on. 00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:53.000 Or let me, let me put this way, the applicant. Do they have 00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:57.800 the choice to not take it to city council at that time, and 00:52:57.800 --> 00:53:02.710 in anticipation of having a full PNC coming back later, or 00:53:02.710 --> 00:53:06.000 do they have to go forward at that point. 00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:09.849 I think I'll defer to our legal counsel but I would make 00:53:09.849 --> 00:53:13.969 the assumption that they ultimately could withdraw that 00:53:13.969 --> 00:53:17.239 item, but I don't know. I think that's one that we probably 00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:19.000 just have to research and bring back to you. 00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:22.480 I think we'll have to work out the details on that. But one 00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:26.059 of the interesting things also is, once it gets up to the 00:53:26.059 --> 00:53:29.760 city council that six out of seven or whatever the superma 00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:32.000 jority is if one of them is out. 00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:38.969 That doesn't matter. It's, it's, you have to have the super 00:53:38.969 --> 00:53:43.289 majority of the, the council members who are eligible to 00:53:43.289 --> 00:53:44.000 vote. 00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:51.000 So unless they're disqualified, you use the same percentage 00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:51.000 . 00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:54.059 Just for clarification, you mentioned, I just want to make 00:53:54.059 --> 00:53:57.000 sure I heard you right. If there's potentially a tie that 00:53:57.000 --> 00:53:59.880 goes to council it's just a regular majority as opposed to 00:53:59.880 --> 00:54:02.000 an outright denial at the commission. 00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:05.820 So, those denials kind of represent different voting at the 00:54:05.820 --> 00:54:08.000 council level. Did I hear that right. 00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:11.150 It will leave as a denial, but it will go, it will go to 00:54:11.150 --> 00:54:14.590 council and the staff recommendation will be the same or it 00:54:14.590 --> 00:54:17.889 'll be clear that it's, that was a tie vote reason for the 00:54:17.889 --> 00:54:21.179 denial because in, I think it's in the local government 00:54:21.179 --> 00:54:23.000 code that states as a denial the tie. 00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:26.420 So, but rather than getting in too much of the detail just 00:54:26.420 --> 00:54:29.789 wanted to bring that back to light so that we weren't just 00:54:29.789 --> 00:54:34.000 so it was clear. Yeah, appreciate that. 00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:38.000 Thank you. 00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:40.000 All right. 00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:44.090 So we've talked about the land development process about 00:54:44.090 --> 00:54:47.989 the zoning and then the plotting comes zoning first and 00:54:47.989 --> 00:54:50.000 plotting and site plan. 00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:53.920 So, we won't, we'll kind of skip over this slide and just 00:54:53.920 --> 00:54:57.940 talk about what projects we've had in the last few years. 00:54:57.940 --> 00:55:02.050 Richard made this presentation at City Council I'm going to 00:55:02.050 --> 00:55:06.059 try to at least slightly describe it or I don't he might 00:55:06.059 --> 00:55:08.000 want to jump in and 00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:09.000 you want to give me. 00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:10.000 I can go ahead. 00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:12.000 All right. 00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:14.829 So, so this really lays out the types of projects that we 00:55:14.829 --> 00:55:17.570 've seen and the numbers of scene that we've seen in the 00:55:17.570 --> 00:55:20.489 last few years so as you're probably where it didn't pretty 00:55:20.489 --> 00:55:24.000 busy and didn't growing so like for instance in 2016. 00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:27.000 We had 206 plats. 00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:31.000 This year we were up to 159 so far. 00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:33.000 This year. 00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:38.440 For zoning cases. We've had 35 this year so far, those may 00:55:38.440 --> 00:55:43.059 not have all come to you yet but applications that we've 00:55:43.059 --> 00:55:49.360 had 2016 was 57. And then last year was 43 of the zoning 00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:52.340 cases so you know you can see that we have a lot of 00:55:52.340 --> 00:55:54.000 projects coming through the city, 00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:57.449 Christian back. I'm sorry I'm confused. Did you say you had 00:55:57.449 --> 00:56:01.000 to hunt the blue. You said those are plants. Yes, sir. 00:56:01.000 --> 00:56:05.679 The indication is that there are alternate development plan 00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:10.000 . Oh, there's little time, the blues. 00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:19.000 Yeah, the ADP is the is the very orange. 00:56:19.000 --> 00:56:22.300 So we have a lot we see a lot of variety come through not 00:56:22.300 --> 00:56:26.000 only the city of Denton but that come before you as well. 00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:29.440 And then as part of our process we've we've tried to look 00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:33.099 at how, how long projects are taking to go through the city 00:56:33.099 --> 00:56:36.539 , and then how we can improve on that we want to make sure 00:56:36.539 --> 00:56:40.289 that we're moving things forward appropriately and that we 00:56:40.289 --> 00:56:42.000 're not creating delays. 00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:47.969 So, for instance, pre development meetings in 2016 they 00:56:47.969 --> 00:56:53.300 were taking an average of 30 days for someone to get in and 00:56:53.300 --> 00:56:56.000 meet with staff for an hour. This year so far it's it's 00:56:56.000 --> 00:56:56.000 about 10 days. 00:56:56.000 --> 00:57:00.000 So from when they they call us and say I have a dream. 00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:15.000 And they can sit down with staff and and talk about it. 00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:15.000 Complete this review that's part of all of the applicant 00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:15.000 when we receive an application the first thing staff does 00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:15.000 is make sure all the parts are there that we need to review 00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:15.000 it and so that can, and then 00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:18.860 send it out to all the necessary reviewers in 2016 that 00:57:18.860 --> 00:57:23.139 process took 17 days in 2018 we're down to two. So, our 00:57:23.139 --> 00:57:26.639 leadership has made a lot of process improvements and and 00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:30.130 and in order to get things moving through the process more 00:57:30.130 --> 00:57:32.000 quickly, Julie 00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:36.000 what what happened in September 17. 00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:39.000 Oh, Richard. 00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:44.000 There was a change in leadership. 00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:50.000 And then this is the average days to approval. 00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:55.869 The blue is is 2016 the orange is 2017 and then the yellow 00:57:55.869 --> 00:58:00.780 is, is this year so rezoning cases are about 76 days, and 00:58:00.780 --> 00:58:05.210 you think about what goes into a rezoning they apply then 00:58:05.210 --> 00:58:09.000 staff has to review it make sure we've got all the 00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:11.000 necessary the legal description 00:58:11.000 --> 00:58:14.480 the correct project narrative, and then we've got to send 00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:18.050 out the public notification staff report staff analysis it 00:58:18.050 --> 00:58:21.139 's got to go to PNC, and then about a month after PNC it 00:58:21.139 --> 00:58:24.809 goes to counsel so that's that's in about 76 days this year 00:58:24.809 --> 00:58:27.000 , SUP is down to 42 days. 00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:31.800 ADP is about 51 days site plans are about 74 days there's a 00:58:31.800 --> 00:58:35.820 lot that goes into reviewing a site plan and you know not 00:58:35.820 --> 00:58:40.039 only the planning part but also there's some engineering 00:58:40.039 --> 00:58:42.000 fire looks at those. 00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:47.000 So, our water administration group preliminary plots are 00:58:47.000 --> 00:58:52.099 about 85 and then final class so you can see that our, our 00:58:52.099 --> 00:58:56.000 review times are trending in a good direction. 00:58:56.000 --> 00:59:00.500 And then application types we compared some cities around 00:59:00.500 --> 00:59:04.460 us. So Denton's in the yellow and then and then the other 00:59:04.460 --> 00:59:07.000 communities are in other colors. 00:59:07.000 --> 00:59:10.860 So you can see how we stack up to to the surrounding 00:59:10.860 --> 00:59:15.559 develop or the surrounding communities rezoning Denton's 00:59:15.559 --> 00:59:20.090 about about average with what what the other communities 00:59:20.090 --> 00:59:24.860 are doing preliminary plots were a little, little, little 00:59:24.860 --> 00:59:26.000 higher than. 00:59:26.000 --> 00:59:29.670 Are these the numbers. These are on per month. Okay, sorry, 00:59:29.670 --> 00:59:32.320 the numbers per month see there's where I failed. So, 00:59:32.320 --> 00:59:35.000 Richard, you want to chime in here. 00:59:35.000 --> 00:59:39.639 So, applications per month. These, these were the, the, the 00:59:39.639 --> 00:59:43.250 length of review in months. So, okay, so what we did is we 00:59:43.250 --> 00:59:45.650 converted because some gave us numbers on business days 00:59:45.650 --> 00:59:47.000 some gave on calendar days. 00:59:47.000 --> 00:59:51.199 And so what we did is we just looked at it as on a monthly 00:59:51.199 --> 00:59:54.000 basis as, as opposed to trying to. 00:59:54.000 --> 01:00:07.099 Mr. Smith. Thank you, chair. What makes why why is you know 01:00:07.099 --> 01:00:08.309 if you look at some of those cities up there pretty all low 01:00:08.309 --> 01:00:09.539 like Louisville, why is it that that Louisville can keep 01:00:09.539 --> 01:00:11.010 their length of time shorter than hours, or, you know, 01:00:11.010 --> 01:00:15.000 another, another city what is it that makes a city faster 01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:17.980 more efficient with their processing time than it is 01:00:17.980 --> 01:00:19.000 another city. 01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:22.380 What what goes into that second chance how the sausage is 01:00:22.380 --> 01:00:25.650 made a little bit. I think a lot of that has to do with, 01:00:25.650 --> 01:00:28.000 with just how the code is drafted. 01:00:28.000 --> 01:00:32.090 Also on number of number of staff. One thing I want to 01:00:32.090 --> 01:00:35.329 point out, because I think it's, it's, it's really 01:00:35.329 --> 01:00:38.840 something that you know you saw those changes within that 01:00:38.840 --> 01:00:42.179 that I guess the last quarter of last calendar year, we 01:00:42.179 --> 01:00:45.000 only had two people doing the review so as we 01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:48.159 kept that ship around. I mean it really was just Haley and 01:00:48.159 --> 01:00:51.289 Julie that were handling all of those reviews I think they 01:00:51.289 --> 01:00:54.000 were at one point had like 70 cases each. 01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:58.619 So, it's a lot. It was a lot for those to handle so it's 01:00:58.619 --> 01:01:02.550 sort of a combination of both I think really when it gets 01:01:02.550 --> 01:01:06.530 down to when you start looking at at at platting that that 01:01:06.530 --> 01:01:09.000 's probably the substantial. 01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:13.789 I would say reason is just processes and how the code has 01:01:13.789 --> 01:01:16.000 been updated. 01:01:16.000 --> 01:01:19.199 And I think I would add to that with our, our rewrite of 01:01:19.199 --> 01:01:22.699 our development code. I think with the, with the better 01:01:22.699 --> 01:01:26.289 organization of the code it will, it will further continue 01:01:26.289 --> 01:01:29.659 these improvements on being able to find where the reg, 01:01:29.659 --> 01:01:34.000 what regulations apply and when 01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:39.380 you're looking at the number of reviews. The goal is to 01:01:39.380 --> 01:01:41.630 kind of keep something at two reviews. That is the, that's 01:01:41.630 --> 01:01:47.000 that red line, or that's, that's what we're at right now. 01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:48.000 Correct. 01:01:48.000 --> 01:01:50.000 All right. Okay. 01:01:50.000 --> 01:02:01.559 So those just the average number of reviews and the type of 01:02:01.559 --> 01:02:05.000 application. So you see site plan ADP from that preliminary 01:02:05.000 --> 01:02:05.000 plat and final plat. We were at least at the average number 01:02:05.000 --> 01:02:05.000 of reviews for 16 and 17 or three. 01:02:05.000 --> 01:02:08.230 Right now we're at about two average of two reviews. One 01:02:08.230 --> 01:02:10.000 thing that's important. 01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:14.050 We'll get to the slides next is after the second review 01:02:14.050 --> 01:02:18.280 there's a third review fee that comes in. So there is an 01:02:18.280 --> 01:02:22.690 additional cost that gets passed off to the applicants who 01:02:22.690 --> 01:02:27.000 are trying to keep that within within the two reviews. 01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:31.010 All right. So here's the number of reviews by year. And 01:02:31.010 --> 01:02:34.789 that when you do go into that third review it can get kind 01:02:34.789 --> 01:02:38.820 of expensive, especially when you've got an engineering 01:02:38.820 --> 01:02:43.000 review fee. So, and the colors are just not. 01:02:43.000 --> 01:02:51.000 So, for instance, in 20 sorry, in 2018. 01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:54.619 And this is representative of projects that had greater 01:02:54.619 --> 01:02:58.809 than greater than three reviews. So we'll see where that we 01:02:58.809 --> 01:03:03.639 're trending down that in 2016. We had 63 projects that had 01:03:03.639 --> 01:03:05.000 three or more reviews. 01:03:05.000 --> 01:03:09.030 And last year, it went down to 52 and now we're down to 34 01:03:09.030 --> 01:03:12.710 so we're really trying to streamline that make sure we give 01:03:12.710 --> 01:03:16.369 them really good feedback up front, make sure that we help 01:03:16.369 --> 01:03:20.170 help them through that process, and that, and that we can, 01:03:20.170 --> 01:03:31.000 we can make sure that we're not creating process delays. 01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:39.000 So, you've gone through the hard part of the boot camp so. 01:03:39.000 --> 01:03:44.000 Why do I keep sorry. 01:03:44.000 --> 01:03:45.000 All right. 01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:49.070 So we'd like to keep this going, we'd like to continue the 01:03:49.070 --> 01:03:53.300 conversation with you about topics and planning, and what 01:03:53.300 --> 01:03:57.110 what you do here on Wednesday nights what what staff is 01:03:57.110 --> 01:04:01.159 doing, and then the types of the types of analysis that we 01:04:01.159 --> 01:04:04.000 're doing within the city so really, 01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:07.059 suggesting some upcoming sessions first of all, talk about 01:04:07.059 --> 01:04:10.059 the comprehensive plan it's been several years since it was 01:04:10.059 --> 01:04:13.000 adopted to really have an in depth conversation about what 01:04:13.000 --> 01:04:15.760 all the parts are the comprehensive plan what we look at 01:04:15.760 --> 01:04:19.000 what the vision is and the goals of that comprehensive plan 01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:22.539 what did I do, can you put in a presentation mode just so 01:04:22.539 --> 01:04:24.000 the TV picks it up. 01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:38.739 I can. Thanks. There you go. Next, talk about zoning really 01:04:38.739 --> 01:04:39.949 dive into what we look at in a zoning and an SUV and a plan 01:04:39.949 --> 01:04:41.329 development amendment and, and what what compatibility 01:04:41.329 --> 01:04:42.619 means what the, you know what a rational nexus means for 01:04:42.619 --> 01:04:44.000 for conditions. 01:04:44.000 --> 01:04:46.880 All of those elements associated with those types of 01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:50.070 projects fundamentals of subdivision, when you look at a 01:04:50.070 --> 01:04:53.179 plat what are you actually looking at what are the parts of 01:04:53.179 --> 01:04:57.000 the plat. What does a plat do how does it help the city. 01:04:57.000 --> 01:05:00.000 grow and develop in an organized way. 01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:02.000 What urban design principles. 01:05:02.000 --> 01:05:05.559 We look at what urban design principles are within the code 01:05:05.559 --> 01:05:09.280 and what are good urban design principles mobility. It's 01:05:09.280 --> 01:05:13.000 not just for cars anymore. We have a bike peg coordinator. 01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:16.789 We've got transit oriented development within the city of 01:05:16.789 --> 01:05:20.429 Denton we have, we have rail so what does the mobility in 01:05:20.429 --> 01:05:23.949 the city look like what what mobility options do we have 01:05:23.949 --> 01:05:28.000 for our citizens, and how do those play into the decisions 01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:29.000 that are made here. 01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:33.440 Some creative zoning interventions that other communities 01:05:33.440 --> 01:05:37.269 have done things like form based code incentive code 01:05:37.269 --> 01:05:41.699 conservation and performance, and then topics in urbanism 01:05:41.699 --> 01:05:46.000 things like tactical urbanism or kid friendly cities. 01:05:46.000 --> 01:05:49.980 The benefits of street trees so all of those so like to 01:05:49.980 --> 01:05:54.429 keep this conversation going do some really fun topics and 01:05:54.429 --> 01:05:58.679 talk about how these topics play into the to the projects 01:05:58.679 --> 01:06:02.000 that we have so be coming forward soon. 01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:07.079 And then, finally, if you have any questions and then I've 01:06:07.079 --> 01:06:09.960 just suggested some further reading we have American 01:06:09.960 --> 01:06:12.000 Planning Association Texas APA. 01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:15.880 If you've never gone to the north central Texas Council of 01:06:15.880 --> 01:06:19.480 governments website, you should go it's got a ton of 01:06:19.480 --> 01:06:23.519 information on their Texas local government code it's kind 01:06:23.519 --> 01:06:27.429 of the standard by which we, we, we conduct ourselves and 01:06:27.429 --> 01:06:30.000 that that our code flows from some 01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:33.480 websites I don't know if you've ever looked at planet is in 01:06:33.480 --> 01:06:36.809 but it's got some really cool topics in planning strong 01:06:36.809 --> 01:06:39.000 towns and city lab or other one. 01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:42.110 And streets blog is another website street mix I don't know 01:06:42.110 --> 01:06:45.019 if you've ever been on street mix but you can create your 01:06:45.019 --> 01:06:48.010 own street street section which is really fun you can put 01:06:48.010 --> 01:06:51.230 put your bike lanes in there and your, your parking and 01:06:51.230 --> 01:06:54.000 your travel lane so that's sidewalks. 01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:57.230 And then some other places you may want to look just some, 01:06:57.230 --> 01:07:00.650 some planning interventions that have happened within our 01:07:00.650 --> 01:07:03.929 community recently near south side incorporated you may 01:07:03.929 --> 01:07:06.000 want to look at their website. 01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:08.980 They just want an award from APA for one of the great 01:07:08.980 --> 01:07:12.349 places in the in America, that Magnolia Street, I don't 01:07:12.349 --> 01:07:15.800 know if you've ever been down there in Fort Worth, but it's 01:07:15.800 --> 01:07:17.000 pretty cool. 01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:20.340 And then also the Trinity River vision authority in Fort 01:07:20.340 --> 01:07:23.929 Worth that was the plan they started making 20 years ago 01:07:23.929 --> 01:07:27.280 that's now starting to come to fruition so it kind of helps 01:07:27.280 --> 01:07:30.769 you see how the plans and those comprehensive plans really 01:07:30.769 --> 01:07:34.000 eventually do end up to be a place you can visit so that's 01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:39.000 all I have unless you have any questions. 01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:41.769 Commissioner Beck. I just want to do a big head tip to the 01:07:41.769 --> 01:07:44.659 staff are doing an excellent job of Lauren these numbers 01:07:44.659 --> 01:07:47.610 and these reviews and those developers appreciate it but 01:07:47.610 --> 01:07:50.840 time wise I think you've done a great job of election you 01:07:50.840 --> 01:07:54.000 so keep it up. 01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:57.000 Thanks. Thank you very much, Julie. 01:07:57.000 --> 01:08:01.960 So at 544 we're going to take a break for some food and 01:08:01.960 --> 01:08:05.000 then we'll return at 555. 01:08:05.000 --> 01:08:26.000 We'll return at 555 for presentation on trees. 01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:28.909 Thank you and welcome back to the plan and zoning 01:08:28.909 --> 01:08:31.000 Commission, it is 554. 01:08:31.000 --> 01:08:35.180 And I will turn it over to Richard presentation on the tree 01:08:35.180 --> 01:08:38.000 preservation and landscape code. 01:08:38.000 --> 01:08:40.439 Good evening, I just wanted to provide sort of another 01:08:40.439 --> 01:08:43.659 update. As far as where we are with the tree code update 01:08:43.659 --> 01:08:47.000 just kind of giving the running the running timeline. 01:08:47.000 --> 01:08:50.449 As you remember we were here about a month ago, and went 01:08:50.449 --> 01:08:54.350 went over some of the, some of the proposed concepts. We're 01:08:54.350 --> 01:08:57.659 still continuing to to refine those, we met with the 01:08:57.659 --> 01:09:01.000 committee on the environment on the 17th. 01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:04.670 And we have some additional additional homework to do that 01:09:04.670 --> 01:09:08.239 I'll get into, but at least wanted to provide kind of that 01:09:08.239 --> 01:09:11.369 that running running update as well as get get some 01:09:11.369 --> 01:09:15.000 guidance and input early on from from the commission. 01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:18.369 So now we were looking at going back to committee on the 01:09:18.369 --> 01:09:21.000 environment on the fifth of November. 01:09:21.000 --> 01:09:24.920 And then shortly thereafter, bringing it back, perhaps, you 01:09:24.920 --> 01:09:28.430 know work session but maybe it might, depending where we 01:09:28.430 --> 01:09:31.850 are at that point, it might warrant also having it as part 01:09:31.850 --> 01:09:35.180 of a discussion with the regular PNC meeting to get some 01:09:35.180 --> 01:09:40.000 initial input from from from residents and stakeholders. 01:09:40.000 --> 01:09:42.750 And so some of the discussion items again this this is some 01:09:42.750 --> 01:09:45.390 of the stuff you might have not have seen it already from 01:09:45.390 --> 01:09:48.029 from the last presentation but just kind of wanted to go 01:09:48.029 --> 01:09:50.770 over some of the discussion items that we had at the last, 01:09:50.770 --> 01:09:52.000 at least at the last meeting. 01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:56.399 Applicability canopy goal again tree tree classifications, 01:09:56.399 --> 01:10:00.300 and then really the revisions to the draft from this last 01:10:00.300 --> 01:10:04.279 draft that we had, and it was focusing really on limiting 01:10:04.279 --> 01:10:08.609 limiting clear cutting, but allowing for some mitigation, 01:10:08.609 --> 01:10:11.000 and then guiding the priorities to to preserving larger 01:10:11.000 --> 01:10:13.000 trees tree stands and habitat. 01:10:13.000 --> 01:10:16.479 And so we kind of took a step back also in preparing this 01:10:16.479 --> 01:10:19.930 and and kind of talked about let's let's think of these 01:10:19.930 --> 01:10:23.470 concepts in terms of being pragmatic and and and how how 01:10:23.470 --> 01:10:26.000 how can we actually enforce them. 01:10:26.000 --> 01:10:28.170 But also being practical and can they can they be 01:10:28.170 --> 01:10:31.390 implemented. And so let's let's have some common sense as 01:10:31.390 --> 01:10:34.310 we as you bring these forward but again guiding those 01:10:34.310 --> 01:10:38.000 priorities to towards larger trees tree stands and habitat. 01:10:38.000 --> 01:10:41.979 And then really looking at preservation restoration repl 01:10:41.979 --> 01:10:44.000 anting or payment in lieu. 01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:47.640 And so I still get asked a lot of you know is the current 01:10:47.640 --> 01:10:51.600 code that bad or or or things that we just haven't followed 01:10:51.600 --> 01:10:54.760 . And like most things I would say it's a little bit of both 01:10:54.760 --> 01:10:55.000 . 01:10:55.000 --> 01:10:58.130 So these are at least my my highlights of some of the 01:10:58.130 --> 01:11:01.340 negatives with with the current code inconsistent 01:11:01.340 --> 01:11:05.369 conflicting language. Oftentimes there's confusing or text 01:11:05.369 --> 01:11:09.020 is buried in sections where you don't necessarily think it 01:11:09.020 --> 01:11:10.000 should be. 01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:13.760 There's a lot of just insufficient to really support our 01:11:13.760 --> 01:11:17.199 overall goals of if we really do want to increase the 01:11:17.199 --> 01:11:18.000 canopy. 01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:21.380 There are components that are hard to enforce. There have 01:11:21.380 --> 01:11:25.050 been components that haven't been implemented as a result. 01:11:25.050 --> 01:11:27.000 There's not much in terms of mitigation. 01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:31.579 And where it really gets confusing is you have the choice 01:11:31.579 --> 01:11:35.840 of doing it by DB or canopy. And sometimes it's it's more 01:11:35.840 --> 01:11:39.569 beneficial to do canopy because it actually ends up being 01:11:39.569 --> 01:11:43.250 less DB which would actually require a greater greater 01:11:43.250 --> 01:11:46.000 canopy and I'll show some of the some of those examples. 01:11:46.000 --> 01:11:49.880 Positive of course it was well intentioned. It does require 01:11:49.880 --> 01:11:53.189 that that a notation on the plat be there identifying where 01:11:53.189 --> 01:11:55.000 those preserved trees are. 01:11:55.000 --> 01:11:58.329 I mean actually the code actually requires a bond for 01:11:58.329 --> 01:12:01.829 replacement trees and the city's required to hold on to 01:12:01.829 --> 01:12:05.390 that bond for three years and after that after that three 01:12:05.390 --> 01:12:07.000 years. 01:12:07.000 --> 01:12:10.859 If 90 percent of those replacement trees are in healthy or 01:12:10.859 --> 01:12:14.670 good condition and that bond is returned. If not, then that 01:12:14.670 --> 01:12:18.359 those that bond is there to to pay for those trees. This is 01:12:18.359 --> 01:12:21.000 something I don't believe we have have been doing. 01:12:21.000 --> 01:12:23.539 But again these are just requirements that we haven't done 01:12:23.539 --> 01:12:26.680 there. There is the ability to do a tree trust. Again I don 01:12:26.680 --> 01:12:30.000 't think that's ever been ever been implemented. 01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:36.140 And this is one that I literally found about three weeks 01:12:36.140 --> 01:12:38.680 ago. The code does provide for administrative parking 01:12:38.680 --> 01:12:40.000 reductions for tree preservation. 01:12:40.000 --> 01:12:43.229 It doesn't dictate where it has to be. It just gives you a 01:12:43.229 --> 01:12:44.000 credit. 01:12:44.000 --> 01:12:48.090 One space for 12 inches of DBH and it allows really for an 01:12:48.090 --> 01:12:51.000 automatic 15 percent reduction. 01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:53.859 And then with the approval of the director up to 30 percent 01:12:53.859 --> 01:12:56.569 reduction in parking. And so that that was something that 01:12:56.569 --> 01:12:59.130 was buried underneath the table that that it just kind of 01:12:59.130 --> 01:13:00.000 caught my eye. 01:13:00.000 --> 01:13:03.689 And again just kind of that organization of it. If you're 01:13:03.689 --> 01:13:07.430 not really searching hard you can just kind of over 01:13:07.430 --> 01:13:10.000 overlook some of these things. 01:13:10.000 --> 01:13:12.460 And so again looking at at the applicability I know we had 01:13:12.460 --> 01:13:15.000 a discussion on this last time and what you see in red. 01:13:15.000 --> 01:13:19.229 These are changes as a result of the last discussion with 01:13:19.229 --> 01:13:20.000 with C.O.E. 01:13:20.000 --> 01:13:23.399 One thing that we did include into the applicability 01:13:23.399 --> 01:13:27.050 section rather than I think it was part of the permitting 01:13:27.050 --> 01:13:31.000 section is the exemption for single family and duplex lots 01:13:31.000 --> 01:13:33.000 with trees under 10 inches of DBH. 01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:35.630 And again this was this was something that's in the local 01:13:35.630 --> 01:13:38.000 government code as a result of that that bill. 01:13:38.000 --> 01:13:41.439 And so for me as we continue to go through it it just made 01:13:41.439 --> 01:13:45.109 more sense of rather than having it buried in in the permit 01:13:45.109 --> 01:13:46.000 section. 01:13:46.000 --> 01:13:48.390 Let's just put it right off at the beginning for applic 01:13:48.390 --> 01:13:49.000 ability. 01:13:49.000 --> 01:13:52.449 Commissioner back. Thank you chair. I still have a problem 01:13:52.449 --> 01:13:55.000 with exempting completely the me. 01:13:55.000 --> 01:13:58.300 I think there's time and I understand they need to have 01:13:58.300 --> 01:14:01.260 that room but it seems like we need to look at it as they 01:14:01.260 --> 01:14:02.000 move along. 01:14:02.000 --> 01:14:04.560 And if they run into a big tree or something like that that 01:14:04.560 --> 01:14:06.000 somehow we can work around. 01:14:06.000 --> 01:14:08.539 I think we ought to you know set something aside for that 01:14:08.539 --> 01:14:11.159 too instead of just giving them carte blanche and they're 01:14:11.159 --> 01:14:12.000 not anymore. 01:14:12.000 --> 01:14:16.840 So the directive was that's why I had it in red and with 01:14:16.840 --> 01:14:19.760 the strike through. So we did we also did strike DME from 01:14:19.760 --> 01:14:20.000 from. 01:14:20.000 --> 01:14:23.420 Okay. From the exempt list capital improvement projects and 01:14:23.420 --> 01:14:26.310 you saw the way to sell these two. So right now it would 01:14:26.310 --> 01:14:29.000 just be the agricultural operations. 01:14:29.000 --> 01:14:33.000 City Airport, and then the single family and duplex. 01:14:33.000 --> 01:14:36.000 Thanks. 01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:44.319 Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. So from the current draft that 01:14:44.319 --> 01:14:44.689 's in our backup. These are changes from the result of that 01:14:44.689 --> 01:14:45.000 last correct. 01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:51.000 They're good changes. Thank you. 01:14:51.000 --> 01:14:54.079 And we, you know, we still have quite a quite of a lengthy 01:14:54.079 --> 01:14:57.000 discussion on on tree canopy goal and the 30%. 01:14:57.000 --> 01:15:00.960 I think you saw this. You saw the slide last time I think 01:15:00.960 --> 01:15:05.000 when I had presented looking at 2014 to where we are now. 01:15:05.000 --> 01:15:08.010 We did do some some additional analysis and I thought I 01:15:08.010 --> 01:15:10.000 thought this was interesting. 01:15:10.000 --> 01:15:13.789 We looked at when we first prepared this map. We then annex 01:15:13.789 --> 01:15:17.550 ed as a result we annexed the Creekside development the 47 01:15:17.550 --> 01:15:18.000 acres. 01:15:18.000 --> 01:15:21.800 And just wanted to see how that how that 47 acres, because 01:15:21.800 --> 01:15:24.970 there was a substantial amount of those trees being 01:15:24.970 --> 01:15:26.000 preserved. 01:15:26.000 --> 01:15:29.500 And interestingly enough, it actually it reduced the 01:15:29.500 --> 01:15:33.289 overall canopy not by a lot. But again, it went from point 01:15:33.289 --> 01:15:36.920 nine seven twenty seven point nine seven to twenty seven 01:15:36.920 --> 01:15:38.000 point nine six. 01:15:38.000 --> 01:15:41.079 And so, again, as we continue to annex properties that that 01:15:41.079 --> 01:15:44.000 number that number starts to starts to go down again. 01:15:44.000 --> 01:15:47.479 This was a property that I think was preserving 80 80% of 01:15:47.479 --> 01:15:50.000 the canopy from that, if I'm not mistaken. 01:15:50.000 --> 01:15:53.510 So, again, that will slightly go down. But this was just 01:15:53.510 --> 01:15:56.659 purely based on on what we what we annexed and what's on 01:15:56.659 --> 01:15:58.000 the ground today. 01:15:58.000 --> 01:16:01.189 Again, so we then we looked at can interrupt real fast. Can 01:16:01.189 --> 01:16:03.000 you help me with the math there? 01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:07.319 The 47 acres have 80% coverage. How could that lower the 01:16:07.319 --> 01:16:10.680 city percent wouldn't that that 47 acres would have to be 01:16:10.680 --> 01:16:12.000 lower than 27. 01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:14.729 I'm sorry. Wasn't 80% of the of the can was 80% of the 01:16:14.729 --> 01:16:18.000 trees on the property. Gotcha. OK. Thanks. 01:16:18.000 --> 01:16:24.000 Yep. And then we looked at what's in the E.T.J. 01:16:24.000 --> 01:16:27.090 So so within the division one of possible annexations in 01:16:27.090 --> 01:16:31.210 the near future and how much of that area has a tree canopy 01:16:31.210 --> 01:16:33.000 tree canopy coverage. 01:16:33.000 --> 01:16:35.979 And it's approximately twenty seven twenty eight twenty 01:16:35.979 --> 01:16:38.000 percent twenty seven point six two. 01:16:38.000 --> 01:16:40.340 Then we looked again at city proper and then including that 01:16:40.340 --> 01:16:45.050 E.T.J. division one boundary just seeing again this is just 01:16:45.050 --> 01:16:47.000 purely kind of holding the line. 01:16:47.000 --> 01:16:49.640 And what that does for overall numbers and it does bring it 01:16:49.640 --> 01:16:50.000 up. 01:16:50.000 --> 01:16:54.600 But again, at that twenty eight point just over twenty 01:16:54.600 --> 01:16:57.000 eight twenty eight percent. 01:16:57.000 --> 01:17:00.840 And then we went we went further and looked at platted 01:17:00.840 --> 01:17:06.359 versus unplatted lots with with within the area and how 01:17:06.359 --> 01:17:10.850 much of that has canopy and and or what's the percentage of 01:17:10.850 --> 01:17:12.000 the canopy. 01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:16.329 Interestingly, the platted lots have have a greater percent 01:17:16.329 --> 01:17:18.000 of canopy coverage. 01:17:18.000 --> 01:17:20.829 I think part of that is a result of our landscape 01:17:20.829 --> 01:17:22.000 requirements. 01:17:22.000 --> 01:17:24.319 And so you'll start to see that that difference versus unpl 01:17:24.319 --> 01:17:25.000 atted lots. 01:17:25.000 --> 01:17:28.260 Twenty eight twenty eight roughly twenty eight and a half 01:17:28.260 --> 01:17:29.000 percent. 01:17:29.000 --> 01:17:31.579 Then we did look at at just our own city on properties that 01:17:31.579 --> 01:17:33.000 are that are undeveloped. 01:17:33.000 --> 01:17:36.000 And what do we have as far as tree canopy on our on our own 01:17:36.000 --> 01:17:37.000 properties. 01:17:37.000 --> 01:17:40.880 And currently we're almost at forty five percent forty four 01:17:40.880 --> 01:17:42.000 point eight. 01:17:42.000 --> 01:17:45.449 And so as we discussed this, we kind of went through the 01:17:45.449 --> 01:17:48.829 analysis of where kind of where we came up with a 30 01:17:48.829 --> 01:17:52.649 percent and looking at U.S. Forest Services, particularly 01:17:52.649 --> 01:17:55.000 for the Eastern Cross Timbers and Grand Prairie. 01:17:55.000 --> 01:17:59.000 And since it kind of splits, I say we got very scientific. 01:17:59.000 --> 01:18:01.859 And when we came up with the thirty and really to split the 01:18:01.859 --> 01:18:04.000 difference between twenty and forty. 01:18:04.000 --> 01:18:09.000 That that brought up a an interesting conversation at COE. 01:18:09.000 --> 01:18:13.000 And they talked about having a really having a split. 01:18:13.000 --> 01:18:19.000 Interestingly, when I met with Texas A&M Extension Service, 01:18:19.000 --> 01:18:21.340 one of the comments that they gave to me is, have you has 01:18:21.340 --> 01:18:24.000 has the city looked, although it's not so like tree 01:18:24.000 --> 01:18:26.000 preservation, but actually preserving some of the prairie 01:18:26.000 --> 01:18:28.000 area out west. 01:18:28.000 --> 01:18:32.140 And that was that was a the same sentiment that that COE 01:18:32.140 --> 01:18:33.000 shared. 01:18:33.000 --> 01:18:37.310 And so what we looked at is what we're looking at right now 01:18:37.310 --> 01:18:42.359 is essentially having I-35W and I-35 North as kind of that 01:18:42.359 --> 01:18:46.680 dividing line with a canopy on the east side at 40 percent 01:18:46.680 --> 01:18:49.000 and prairie twenty percent. 01:18:49.000 --> 01:18:54.020 I know there was also a concern with with some of the 01:18:54.020 --> 01:18:59.649 species that are growing kind of in the prairie area that 01:18:59.649 --> 01:19:04.000 that really aren't beneficial for for that. 01:19:04.000 --> 01:19:06.000 Chris Rebecca. 01:19:06.000 --> 01:19:07.000 Thank you, Chair. 01:19:07.000 --> 01:19:08.000 Elaborate on that. 01:19:08.000 --> 01:19:11.000 What do you mean by not beneficial? 01:19:11.000 --> 01:19:13.000 Because are we talking about the way they look? 01:19:13.000 --> 01:19:16.130 Mesquite cottonwood, some of the trees that that really 01:19:16.130 --> 01:19:17.000 aren't aren't. 01:19:17.000 --> 01:19:19.000 Okay. 01:19:19.000 --> 01:19:22.390 And I, again, I don't have a problem when you're talking 01:19:22.390 --> 01:19:25.529 about trees that are going to be detrimental to other 01:19:25.529 --> 01:19:28.909 landscape areas, but are all mesquite trees and the hack 01:19:28.909 --> 01:19:30.000 berries in here. 01:19:30.000 --> 01:19:33.000 We're concerned about the thorns and the shallow rooting. 01:19:33.000 --> 01:19:36.350 Are all the mesquite trees and hackberries, you know, are 01:19:36.350 --> 01:19:39.590 they not the other type that are deep rooted and without th 01:19:39.590 --> 01:19:42.000 orns because those types do exist. 01:19:42.000 --> 01:19:46.000 Is dentin plagued with the thorn shallow rooting types? 01:19:46.000 --> 01:19:49.000 We're still going through the going through that tree list. 01:19:49.000 --> 01:19:51.000 We're doing an inventory. 01:19:51.000 --> 01:19:53.000 Okay. Good. Thank you. 01:19:53.000 --> 01:19:54.000 Chris Sanchez. 01:19:54.000 --> 01:19:56.699 Yeah. When you're talking about the prairie, you're talking 01:19:56.699 --> 01:19:59.000 more about grasses rather than woody vegetation. 01:19:59.000 --> 01:20:02.789 So you're talking about species that will be more 01:20:02.789 --> 01:20:06.479 susceptible or if you if you try to maintain those is more 01:20:06.479 --> 01:20:09.300 of a fire ecosystem because that's what the maintain the 01:20:09.300 --> 01:20:10.000 prairie. 01:20:10.000 --> 01:20:13.600 So if you're talking about something like your Indian 01:20:13.600 --> 01:20:17.609 grasses, those type of grasses, I mean, that's what you'll 01:20:17.609 --> 01:20:19.000 find in the prairie. 01:20:19.000 --> 01:20:21.000 And I think that's why it wouldn't be very beneficial. 01:20:21.000 --> 01:20:24.420 You don't want those type of grass inside the cities and 01:20:24.420 --> 01:20:26.000 burn the cities down. 01:20:26.000 --> 01:20:36.000 At least that's the way I look at it. 01:20:36.000 --> 01:20:40.000 And so this was another another change. 01:20:40.000 --> 01:20:43.000 This was one Heywood actually I thought had a good idea. 01:20:43.000 --> 01:20:46.000 There's there's what's called the Texas Big Tree Registry. 01:20:46.000 --> 01:20:49.199 And this is through again through through Texas A&M Forest 01:20:49.199 --> 01:20:50.000 Services. 01:20:50.000 --> 01:20:53.539 One thing I did want to make a clarification is from from 01:20:53.539 --> 01:20:55.000 what I understand. 01:20:55.000 --> 01:20:58.300 And again, I'm trying to get a little bit more information 01:20:58.300 --> 01:20:59.000 on this. 01:20:59.000 --> 01:21:02.189 But rather than just have the historic tree, we included it 01:21:02.189 --> 01:21:04.000 as a landmark tree. 01:21:04.000 --> 01:21:06.689 And so the landmark tree would include still the historic 01:21:06.689 --> 01:21:09.000 designation, which currently we have none. 01:21:09.000 --> 01:21:12.329 But also if if you are on this Texas Big Tree Registry 01:21:12.329 --> 01:21:13.000 again. 01:21:13.000 --> 01:21:16.430 So if an owner wanted to designate their property or design 01:21:16.430 --> 01:21:19.319 ate a tree on that on on their own property, it would 01:21:19.319 --> 01:21:23.170 provide for that that again another layer of or level of 01:21:23.170 --> 01:21:24.000 protection. 01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:28.140 Heritage trees, 18 inches or greater at DVH in all post o 01:21:28.140 --> 01:21:30.000 aks and blackjack oaks. 01:21:30.000 --> 01:21:33.569 I think Commissioner Sanchez, that was one thing you had 01:21:33.569 --> 01:21:36.000 mentioned at the last PNZ meeting. 01:21:36.000 --> 01:21:41.000 And then quality trees, six inches to to 17.9. 01:21:41.000 --> 01:21:44.000 I'll just say 17 because we tend around anyways. 01:21:44.000 --> 01:21:48.000 But those those would be the tree types. 01:21:48.000 --> 01:21:51.920 And so I know that we're as I said, we're continuing to 01:21:51.920 --> 01:21:55.539 sort of hone in on this list and have much debate about 01:21:55.539 --> 01:21:59.000 what what should or shouldn't be on or or not on the list. 01:21:59.000 --> 01:22:02.390 But again, looking at it in terms of what our what our 01:22:02.390 --> 01:22:04.000 existing canopy is. 01:22:04.000 --> 01:22:07.880 And so I know Haywood had initially come up with with the 01:22:07.880 --> 01:22:11.430 list that you see here on on the right and some of the 01:22:11.430 --> 01:22:15.000 concerns that he had shared related to those. 01:22:15.000 --> 01:22:17.500 But if you kind of look at all of those, as I have 01:22:17.500 --> 01:22:21.039 highlighted together, they do represent approximately 41 01:22:21.039 --> 01:22:23.000 percent of the existing canopy. 01:22:23.000 --> 01:22:26.430 And so, again, there's also that trying to balance it out. 01:22:26.430 --> 01:22:29.520 There is also that concern with just allowing these to be 01:22:29.520 --> 01:22:31.000 completely removed. 01:22:31.000 --> 01:22:37.000 It does represent 41, 41 percent of the existing canopy. 01:22:37.000 --> 01:22:40.960 Richard, have you looked at where that lines up to the 01:22:40.960 --> 01:22:44.000 potential I-35 corridor split? 01:22:44.000 --> 01:22:48.079 It seems like some of the Mesquite would be in the areas in 01:22:48.079 --> 01:22:52.000 which you're maybe potentially be preserving less. 01:22:52.000 --> 01:22:55.340 And we're that's where we're starting to go on. I just 01:22:55.340 --> 01:22:56.000 finished. 01:22:56.000 --> 01:23:01.000 We just got the map today this afternoon on the split. 01:23:01.000 --> 01:23:03.399 And so that's where we're continuing to do some some 01:23:03.399 --> 01:23:06.210 additional some that additional analysis and exactly what 01:23:06.210 --> 01:23:07.000 that means. 01:23:07.000 --> 01:23:12.000 Chris, you're cold. Do you have a question? 01:23:12.000 --> 01:23:15.000 The honey Mesquite is that that's the thorny Mesquite. 01:23:15.000 --> 01:23:19.000 I believe so. I think that's. 01:23:19.000 --> 01:23:22.000 What's the other time? I haven't even seen the other type. 01:23:22.000 --> 01:23:27.000 Every one I see as a thorn in it. So that's all over. 01:23:27.000 --> 01:23:32.000 Is there a. 01:23:32.000 --> 01:23:35.000 Is there another there's another. 01:23:35.000 --> 01:23:40.000 Other than the honey. 01:23:40.000 --> 01:23:42.000 So what is this this year? 01:23:42.000 --> 01:23:47.510 This this this came from from this from the study that was 01:23:47.510 --> 01:23:50.000 done in 2016. 01:23:50.000 --> 01:23:52.000 They did a tree inventory. 01:23:52.000 --> 01:23:56.000 Is that 21 percent? I can guarantee is a lot higher now. 01:23:56.000 --> 01:23:59.000 Yeah, then it was two years because they do. 01:23:59.000 --> 01:24:03.000 Yeah, thank you. 01:24:03.000 --> 01:24:05.789 And so rather than we kind of change it to rather than have 01:24:05.789 --> 01:24:09.000 exempt just really protected trees and non protected trees. 01:24:09.000 --> 01:24:13.220 So, of course, any dead or unhealthy trees Mesquite, we 01:24:13.220 --> 01:24:16.279 initially had it as part of a conservation easement when we 01:24:16.279 --> 01:24:18.000 presented this to see we we took that off. 01:24:18.000 --> 01:24:21.859 If you recall, we had a concept of that preserved habitat, 01:24:21.859 --> 01:24:24.000 which was adjacent to an ESA. 01:24:24.000 --> 01:24:28.079 And so as we looked at it and so if it is a continuation of 01:24:28.079 --> 01:24:32.000 an ESA area and those trees, whether they be Mesquite, 01:24:32.000 --> 01:24:34.000 honey, locust, 01:24:34.000 --> 01:24:39.260 if they are providing some sort of benefit to to a habitat 01:24:39.260 --> 01:24:42.760 area, maybe it makes sense not to not to completely have 01:24:42.760 --> 01:24:45.810 those exempt if they are if they are included with with 01:24:45.810 --> 01:24:47.000 that extension. 01:24:47.000 --> 01:24:50.000 Again, that would be the extension of the ESA. 01:24:50.000 --> 01:24:53.619 Again, the boat are hack bearing cottonwood that continues 01:24:53.619 --> 01:24:57.000 to be the the three trees that are discussed the most. 01:24:57.000 --> 01:24:59.979 We looked at part of the discussion that we had at the last 01:24:59.979 --> 01:25:01.000 meeting with C.O.E. 01:25:01.000 --> 01:25:04.079 We had it that is that's less than six inches would be non 01:25:04.079 --> 01:25:05.000 protected. 01:25:05.000 --> 01:25:08.149 I know there was a concern with just the growth rate of I 01:25:08.149 --> 01:25:11.300 think the cottonwood and the hackberry that they grow 01:25:11.300 --> 01:25:13.000 pretty pretty rapidly. 01:25:13.000 --> 01:25:16.069 And so we we looked at one thing we're looking at now is if 01:25:16.069 --> 01:25:19.609 it's less than 18 inches, I think that's what we had on one 01:25:19.609 --> 01:25:21.000 of the initial drafts. 01:25:21.000 --> 01:25:24.000 And we kind of are coming back around on this. 01:25:24.000 --> 01:25:28.300 And so, again, we're still still analyzing this and seeing 01:25:28.300 --> 01:25:32.210 exactly what what it means and eventually wanting to get 01:25:32.210 --> 01:25:35.729 input from from a multitude of of individuals on on 01:25:35.729 --> 01:25:38.000 particularly these trees. 01:25:38.000 --> 01:25:40.000 Mr. Beck. 01:25:40.000 --> 01:25:43.960 Thank you. What was the rationale for taking these trees 01:25:43.960 --> 01:25:46.000 out of conservation easement. 01:25:46.000 --> 01:25:49.930 There was a concern that that we had, again, trying to 01:25:49.930 --> 01:25:53.770 promote the saving of a larger of the larger species, 01:25:53.770 --> 01:25:57.000 particularly the post oak or blackjack. 01:25:57.000 --> 01:26:01.800 If it wasn't a continuation of a habitat, if if if it 01:26:01.800 --> 01:26:06.380 happened to be part of a conservation area that only had 01:26:06.380 --> 01:26:10.489 mosquitoes on a section of that property, then you wouldn't 01:26:10.489 --> 01:26:15.000 consider it then then under this scenario, they would be. 01:26:15.000 --> 01:26:18.340 Again, the likelihood of that happening. But again, I would 01:26:18.340 --> 01:26:20.000 hate for it to happen. 01:26:20.000 --> 01:26:22.350 They could preserve the mosquitoes and not the oaks, it 01:26:22.350 --> 01:26:24.760 would still have to actually there would be no mitigation 01:26:24.760 --> 01:26:27.869 the way of conservation. And so we didn't want to have it 01:26:27.869 --> 01:26:31.000 as as as the possibility of being being abused. 01:26:31.000 --> 01:26:35.000 And so really if it was a continuation of the habitat. 01:26:35.000 --> 01:26:38.000 That was that was the intent. 01:26:38.000 --> 01:26:42.000 Thank you. 01:26:42.000 --> 01:26:46.090 And again, just going like to just recap again on on on the 01:26:46.090 --> 01:26:49.000 existing code and what we have today. 01:26:49.000 --> 01:26:52.720 Again, so this is these are our current info standard inf 01:26:52.720 --> 01:26:54.000 ill standards. 01:26:54.000 --> 01:26:58.140 So you see the the less than half acre half to one and then 01:26:58.140 --> 01:27:01.000 one one to two of what's required. 01:27:01.000 --> 01:27:04.340 So less than a half acre. There's really unless you have 01:27:04.340 --> 01:27:07.100 have a historic tree, there's no preservation requirement, 01:27:07.100 --> 01:27:08.000 no mitigation. 01:27:08.000 --> 01:27:12.000 And then if you're two acres, again, no minimum required. 01:27:12.000 --> 01:27:16.300 It's just a mitigation for protected trees and then quality 01:27:16.300 --> 01:27:19.000 quality tree stands is really not. 01:27:19.000 --> 01:27:23.300 So you have no no minimum requirement, no mitigation 01:27:23.300 --> 01:27:27.800 outside of the outside of or or non info lots again quality 01:27:27.800 --> 01:27:32.170 trees quality tree stands is where you kind of get into 01:27:32.170 --> 01:27:34.000 again less than an acre. 01:27:34.000 --> 01:27:38.739 None. And then once you get up to greater than two and a 01:27:38.739 --> 01:27:40.699 half acres, it's a minimum of 20 percent for single family 01:27:40.699 --> 01:27:45.000 duplex and 25 percent for multi family non residential. 01:27:45.000 --> 01:27:49.500 And then those can be reduced by 50 percent at a one to one 01:27:49.500 --> 01:27:51.000 and a half ratio. 01:27:51.000 --> 01:27:54.770 And so you could you could essentially drop that 25 percent 01:27:54.770 --> 01:27:57.000 down to twelve and a half percent. 01:27:57.000 --> 01:28:01.000 So it's not not a whole lot. 01:28:01.000 --> 01:28:06.880 This is current. And then this is the here's kind of that 01:28:06.880 --> 01:28:08.000 breakdown. 01:28:08.000 --> 01:28:14.600 Another another one that came up with respect to tree 01:28:14.600 --> 01:28:16.000 stands. 01:28:16.000 --> 01:28:23.510 This was a parcel that had a lot of blackjack and post oaks 01:28:23.510 --> 01:28:24.000 . 01:28:24.000 --> 01:28:29.390 They did have some preservation area, but they weren't 01:28:29.390 --> 01:28:33.710 required to to mitigate any any of the because they had to 01:28:33.710 --> 01:28:34.000 eat. 01:28:34.000 --> 01:28:37.489 There was no mitigation requirement for for the tree stand 01:28:37.489 --> 01:28:41.000 of current of the current remaining oaks on a property. 01:28:41.000 --> 01:28:43.890 And so, again, that'll be another one. Another area that's 01:28:43.890 --> 01:28:45.000 substantially lost. 01:28:45.000 --> 01:28:49.000 But again, they are they are complying with the code. 01:28:49.000 --> 01:28:51.689 And again, so we looked at at what should it be? Should we 01:28:51.689 --> 01:28:54.000 really should this really be the focus again? 01:28:54.000 --> 01:28:57.439 And I think I talked to to see initially kind of on the 01:28:57.439 --> 01:28:59.000 policy side of this. 01:28:59.000 --> 01:29:01.000 How do we want to what do we what are our goals? 01:29:01.000 --> 01:29:03.159 What do we want to achieve from this? Are we really looking 01:29:03.159 --> 01:29:05.949 to have sort of a mitigation approach to this or are we 01:29:05.949 --> 01:29:08.000 really looking at at restoration? 01:29:08.000 --> 01:29:11.100 And what's what's the focus? Because you can kind of go two 01:29:11.100 --> 01:29:13.000 different ways in how you how we structure it. 01:29:13.000 --> 01:29:16.000 And so we kind of took the we kind of took the approach of 01:29:16.000 --> 01:29:17.000 restoration. 01:29:17.000 --> 01:29:19.979 So if we're really trying to increase our tree canopy 01:29:19.979 --> 01:29:24.050 rather than have that that payment or some other method, 01:29:24.050 --> 01:29:27.220 let's look at ways that one we can we can meet our goals of 01:29:27.220 --> 01:29:31.000 trying to preserve the type of trees that you keep that 01:29:31.000 --> 01:29:32.000 aren't commercially available. 01:29:32.000 --> 01:29:34.739 Number one, but also then some of those other larger trees 01:29:34.739 --> 01:29:37.979 and again, looking at replacement of trees, whether they be 01:29:37.979 --> 01:29:41.350 on or off site, but still having that that payment in lieu 01:29:41.350 --> 01:29:42.000 option. 01:29:42.000 --> 01:29:46.090 And again, there's still that that policy question that we 01:29:46.090 --> 01:29:49.840 continue to discuss and how should those funds be spent 01:29:49.840 --> 01:29:52.000 from the from the tree fund. 01:29:52.000 --> 01:29:55.000 And so, again, this is just that that example current code. 01:29:55.000 --> 01:30:00.010 This is a site that went with a 25 percent of the of the 01:30:00.010 --> 01:30:03.000 canopy zero protected trees. 01:30:03.000 --> 01:30:06.680 But when you look at when you look at if they would have if 01:30:06.680 --> 01:30:09.880 they would have been required to go by DBH, it's 01:30:09.880 --> 01:30:12.000 substantially different. 01:30:12.000 --> 01:30:15.880 So it it result that 25 percent can be resulted in 11 01:30:15.880 --> 01:30:17.000 percent DBH. 01:30:17.000 --> 01:30:20.000 This was part of an ESA. So there was credit for it. 01:30:20.000 --> 01:30:24.029 So as long as they as long as that was preserved, there 01:30:24.029 --> 01:30:29.000 were no additional tree preservation requirements required. 01:30:29.000 --> 01:30:33.380 Just to give you a proposed code example again, this is 01:30:33.380 --> 01:30:38.550 again looking at this practically minimum preservation 30 01:30:38.550 --> 01:30:44.350 percent of DBH, which is essentially almost twenty two 01:30:44.350 --> 01:30:48.000 hundred inches restoration. 01:30:48.000 --> 01:30:51.000 Five thousand one hundred and fourteen. 01:30:51.000 --> 01:30:54.659 And then with that multiplier depend depending on the tree, 01:30:54.659 --> 01:30:58.050 it puts it up to fifteen thousand three hundred and forty 01:30:58.050 --> 01:31:01.430 two inches. Now, the likelihood of that even being able to 01:31:01.430 --> 01:31:03.000 be planted is slim to none. 01:31:03.000 --> 01:31:07.010 But again, the focus is allowing for credits to get focused 01:31:07.010 --> 01:31:10.000 on a certain type of tree size or species. 01:31:10.000 --> 01:31:13.829 But just thinking in terms of having to plant that many 01:31:13.829 --> 01:31:18.090 inches, you're looking at at almost seventy seven hundred 01:31:18.090 --> 01:31:21.819 two inch trees, which is quite a lot and probably not 01:31:21.819 --> 01:31:23.000 practical. 01:31:23.000 --> 01:31:26.300 And so that's where we started to look again at allowing 01:31:26.300 --> 01:31:29.000 for those credits for that restoration. 01:31:29.000 --> 01:31:32.340 And then so if you're depending on what you're preserving, 01:31:32.340 --> 01:31:35.010 being able then to pull a credit from what you're 01:31:35.010 --> 01:31:36.000 preserving. 01:31:36.000 --> 01:31:38.579 And so while while it's getting counted against you, you're 01:31:38.579 --> 01:31:40.000 also getting credited back. 01:31:40.000 --> 01:31:44.590 And so if you if you the larger you preserve or the type 01:31:44.590 --> 01:31:48.000 you preserve, the greater credit you get. 01:31:48.000 --> 01:31:50.699 So if you're a post or blackjack, you get a three three 01:31:50.699 --> 01:31:53.569 inches for every inch preserved and then and then kind of 01:31:53.569 --> 01:31:56.180 on down the list and then and then you get into into the 01:31:56.180 --> 01:31:58.000 restoration requirements. 01:31:58.000 --> 01:32:03.210 So the goal really is to is to try to focus on on again the 01:32:03.210 --> 01:32:08.920 larger trees and the post of blackjack and not requiring so 01:32:08.920 --> 01:32:11.000 much mitigation. 01:32:11.000 --> 01:32:14.960 We also looked at including some additional incentives, 01:32:14.960 --> 01:32:18.939 looking at an energy conservation credit for either mitig 01:32:18.939 --> 01:32:22.560 ated or preserved large canopy trees if they're on the 01:32:22.560 --> 01:32:25.000 western or southern exposure. 01:32:25.000 --> 01:32:28.710 If it's a landmark tree, really, really bumping up that 01:32:28.710 --> 01:32:32.430 that replacement credit to give them four times the DBH, 01:32:32.430 --> 01:32:36.000 which is which is pretty, pretty substantial. 01:32:36.000 --> 01:32:39.340 And then again, that that conservation easement allowing if 01:32:39.340 --> 01:32:42.260 those restoration trees or even preserve trees are are 01:32:42.260 --> 01:32:48.130 included, allow for a allow for a credit, a tree cluster 01:32:48.130 --> 01:32:49.000 credit. 01:32:49.000 --> 01:32:53.300 And this was another a newer one. And we still thought 01:32:53.300 --> 01:32:58.000 keeping that parking space reduction is is is is worthy. 01:32:58.000 --> 01:33:02.550 We didn't include the 30 percent, but we are we are 01:33:02.550 --> 01:33:08.000 recommending that we keep that that 15 percent required. 01:33:08.000 --> 01:33:11.000 And then this just gives you an example. 01:33:11.000 --> 01:33:14.489 We ran this one out again based on based on the incentives 01:33:14.489 --> 01:33:18.050 and this was this one was fairly easy to run because it was 01:33:18.050 --> 01:33:20.000 all blackjack and post oak. 01:33:20.000 --> 01:33:22.000 So we can understand what the credits were. 01:33:22.000 --> 01:33:27.319 And so with this, we get to a mitigation of 10,000 nine 01:33:27.319 --> 01:33:30.000 hundred and fifty nine inches. 01:33:30.000 --> 01:33:33.340 The mitigation credit again, because you have the preserved 01:33:33.340 --> 01:33:34.000 habitat. 01:33:34.000 --> 01:33:38.640 Again, this goes back to if you recall, we talked about the 01:33:38.640 --> 01:33:42.130 development impact area. So the ESA is excluded and then it 01:33:42.130 --> 01:33:44.760 will also be excluded from the from the landscape required 01:33:44.760 --> 01:33:48.000 area as well as preservation habitat. 01:33:48.000 --> 01:33:51.210 So if you look at what that what it brings it down to is 01:33:51.210 --> 01:33:54.819 this would actually result in a in a credit of 21 inches 01:33:54.819 --> 01:33:57.000 towards towards landscaping. 01:33:57.000 --> 01:34:00.399 And so that could be used whether it's on the buffer to the 01:34:00.399 --> 01:34:03.000 north or some other some other method. 01:34:03.000 --> 01:34:05.000 Christian Beck. Thank you, Chair. 01:34:05.000 --> 01:34:08.369 When we mitigate these trees, are they going on this 01:34:08.369 --> 01:34:12.050 development or are we putting those trees somewhere else 01:34:12.050 --> 01:34:15.029 that they're well, this one there would be no they would 01:34:15.029 --> 01:34:18.210 not they would not have to they would not have to plant any 01:34:18.210 --> 01:34:20.000 new trees as a result of preservation. 01:34:20.000 --> 01:34:22.420 So we're going to be playing them on some other area within 01:34:22.420 --> 01:34:23.000 the city. 01:34:23.000 --> 01:34:25.909 Well, they was well there would be no trees that would be 01:34:25.909 --> 01:34:28.899 required to be planted, because they would because they 01:34:28.899 --> 01:34:31.779 preserve the blackjack oak and post oaks right and then 01:34:31.779 --> 01:34:35.000 dedicated dedicated it within the preserved habitat. 01:34:35.000 --> 01:34:39.000 So as a result of the credits that they would receive. 01:34:39.000 --> 01:34:41.300 There would not be any additional trees that they would 01:34:41.300 --> 01:34:45.220 have to plan. In fact, they would actually result in a in a 01:34:45.220 --> 01:34:47.000 21 inch credit. 01:34:47.000 --> 01:34:49.000 Okay. 01:34:49.000 --> 01:34:52.000 Thanks. 01:34:52.000 --> 01:34:55.000 And then this is just another example. 01:34:55.000 --> 01:34:58.390 This was one that had the majority of the trees on this 01:34:58.390 --> 01:34:59.000 site. 01:34:59.000 --> 01:35:03.000 This is sort of off a box this is Bonnie break south end of 01:35:03.000 --> 01:35:04.000 the city. 01:35:04.000 --> 01:35:10.000 Majority of the trees here were pack buried sugar berries. 01:35:10.000 --> 01:35:13.000 Total DBH 3260 inches. 01:35:13.000 --> 01:35:16.840 And so looking at, and I'll jump to the red first under the 01:35:16.840 --> 01:35:18.000 current code. 01:35:18.000 --> 01:35:25.930 They were required 14% of the DBH, there were some quality 01:35:25.930 --> 01:35:27.000 trees. 01:35:27.000 --> 01:35:32.420 So that amounted to 461 inches they mitigated, or, which 01:35:32.420 --> 01:35:37.920 was the equivalent of 1.14% of the canopy. And so they had 01:35:37.920 --> 01:35:43.149 to mitigate 150 inches, which resulted in a payment for $18 01:35:43.149 --> 01:35:45.000 ,750. 01:35:45.000 --> 01:35:49.819 The proposed preservation 30% of DBH. Again, this is going 01:35:49.819 --> 01:35:52.800 to change but it just wanted to paint paint the example 01:35:52.800 --> 01:35:57.109 that restoration required, and then incentives for the 01:35:57.109 --> 01:36:03.000 conservation area, if they were to dedicate these areas 01:36:03.000 --> 01:36:06.000 that would account for 27.71%. 01:36:06.000 --> 01:36:10.859 And remember, as we discussed at the last meeting, you can 01:36:10.859 --> 01:36:16.180 take the 30% requirement down to 20%. If you, if you do 01:36:16.180 --> 01:36:20.000 either a conservation area or a preserve habitat. 01:36:20.000 --> 01:36:24.409 And so looking at, at, at the exempt tree so assuming that 01:36:24.409 --> 01:36:28.550 if we just looked at all of the hackberry and cottonwood 01:36:28.550 --> 01:36:32.869 and everything on that list, just as being exempt just to 01:36:32.869 --> 01:36:37.199 kind of give that example of what what that equates to of 01:36:37.199 --> 01:36:41.000 the total DBH 3260. 01:36:41.000 --> 01:36:46.630 A total quality trees of 200 inches. And so that that that 01:36:46.630 --> 01:36:50.000 was 6.13% of the total DBH. 01:36:50.000 --> 01:36:55.189 And so, 30% minimum required preservation off that 26060 01:36:55.189 --> 01:36:56.000 inches. 01:36:56.000 --> 01:36:59.819 So you can see it's it's substantially less than than 01:36:59.819 --> 01:37:03.989 anything else so that's where we're, we're still in that 01:37:03.989 --> 01:37:08.000 discussion about which which trees and what size and. 01:37:08.000 --> 01:37:11.779 But again, there is this does not include the length in the 01:37:11.779 --> 01:37:15.340 landscape requirements that do have a percentage of of 01:37:15.340 --> 01:37:19.229 canopy that's required as a result of the landscape Richard 01:37:19.229 --> 01:37:23.000 help me understand, or maybe I already understand. 01:37:23.000 --> 01:37:27.300 It seems as though this this proposed preservation or 01:37:27.300 --> 01:37:31.909 restoration plan would actually allow properties to have 01:37:31.909 --> 01:37:36.829 less than a 30% tree, if they're all preserving landmark 01:37:36.829 --> 01:37:41.000 trees so if they have to gigantic landmark trees. 01:37:41.000 --> 01:37:44.329 So basically they could take away a ton of trees because 01:37:44.329 --> 01:37:47.569 the four to one credit is is one is that interpretation 01:37:47.569 --> 01:37:50.979 correct and two, does that mean the city is okay with not 01:37:50.979 --> 01:37:55.329 meeting like a 30% canopy coverage, as long as the 18% we 01:37:55.329 --> 01:37:57.000 have are all awesome trees. 01:37:57.000 --> 01:38:01.340 I think I think it's too but well one one theoretically it 01:38:01.340 --> 01:38:06.000 could happen if there's, you know, large large trees. 01:38:06.000 --> 01:38:10.289 It's a substantial. If you look at it kind of that that 01:38:10.289 --> 01:38:13.430 list. I went through it I don't think there's at least from 01:38:13.430 --> 01:38:15.829 I think it was last week was the last time I looked at it 01:38:15.829 --> 01:38:18.000 there's not one tree and Denton County. 01:38:18.000 --> 01:38:21.520 That's on that that's on that list currently, not to say 01:38:21.520 --> 01:38:24.869 there's not a tree that could make it there's just none 01:38:24.869 --> 01:38:28.210 that have been put on that trend, I do know Tarrant has 01:38:28.210 --> 01:38:30.000 some in Dallas County. 01:38:30.000 --> 01:38:33.260 Tell me the second part of class sorry. Well it just seems 01:38:33.260 --> 01:38:36.180 that the goal of 30% canopy could be less if we're 01:38:36.180 --> 01:38:39.659 increasing the quality trees and is the city. Okay with 01:38:39.659 --> 01:38:41.000 that under this. 01:38:41.000 --> 01:38:43.979 It would again they would still have their they would still 01:38:43.979 --> 01:38:47.000 have the the canopy requirements from the landscape code. 01:38:47.000 --> 01:38:55.000 And so this is just this is just one one component of it. 01:38:55.000 --> 01:38:58.329 And then again looking at the mitigation alternatives this 01:38:58.329 --> 01:39:01.529 is this is essentially the same language that we have today 01:39:01.529 --> 01:39:05.000 with respect to, to what the tree fund can can be used for. 01:39:05.000 --> 01:39:08.000 And then we're still having a. 01:39:08.000 --> 01:39:09.000 Chris are back. 01:39:09.000 --> 01:39:11.000 Thank you, go back. Okay. 01:39:11.000 --> 01:39:14.989 Let's talk about preserving property meaning naturalistic 01:39:14.989 --> 01:39:18.609 state and that's one thing I've touched base with you on I 01:39:18.609 --> 01:39:21.000 'd like to expand on if we could. 01:39:21.000 --> 01:39:27.390 We have. I'm sure we do we have areas that we need to 01:39:27.390 --> 01:39:30.000 preserve as development comes into it. 01:39:30.000 --> 01:39:33.500 To be specific I'm talking about those trees between Br 01:39:33.500 --> 01:39:37.380 inker and mayhill, where there's a lot of development going 01:39:37.380 --> 01:39:40.000 on that's part of the upper habitat. 01:39:40.000 --> 01:39:42.000 And if we keep munching away at that. 01:39:42.000 --> 01:39:51.689 We're gonna lose a lot there so do. Are we trying to design 01:39:51.689 --> 01:39:53.520 ate some areas now that would qualify to preserve, we haven 01:39:53.520 --> 01:39:55.260 't got to the point where we're, we've identified here's 01:39:55.260 --> 01:39:58.060 properties that we should, you know, identify for for 01:39:58.060 --> 01:39:59.000 purchase. 01:39:59.000 --> 01:40:02.300 We can we can certainly get to that point but but I haven't 01:40:02.300 --> 01:40:05.939 , I haven't, we haven't gone out and said here's, you know, 01:40:05.939 --> 01:40:09.100 here's a great stand up of post and I understand we have 01:40:09.100 --> 01:40:13.000 and that's my concern what, because the delay just prevents 01:40:13.000 --> 01:40:14.000 us from preserving 01:40:14.000 --> 01:40:17.140 a lot of these trees so what is the delay why can't we set 01:40:17.140 --> 01:40:20.619 something in motion now and designate some areas, and then 01:40:20.619 --> 01:40:24.279 debate it, you know, not say, okay, we're definitely going 01:40:24.279 --> 01:40:27.550 to do this, but let's pinpoint some areas right now one I 01:40:27.550 --> 01:40:29.000 've already mentioned to you, 01:40:29.000 --> 01:40:31.880 and kind of go from there because if we just continue 01:40:31.880 --> 01:40:35.180 putting it off and putting it off. We lose a little bit by 01:40:35.180 --> 01:40:38.359 a little bit and we're dealing with it in these conditions 01:40:38.359 --> 01:40:40.000 when they come before us. 01:40:40.000 --> 01:40:43.829 We have these minimum requirements. So, don't mean to put 01:40:43.829 --> 01:40:47.189 you in the spot, but I mean, is there some way we could 01:40:47.189 --> 01:40:51.060 initiate something on this post haste. Yeah, what I can do 01:40:51.060 --> 01:40:53.930 is, is I will relay that back to the committee on the 01:40:53.930 --> 01:40:55.000 environment. 01:40:55.000 --> 01:40:59.659 Okay. I do know that that have they have they brought it up 01:40:59.659 --> 01:41:00.000 . 01:41:00.000 --> 01:41:04.399 It's about still having the ability to purchase land but we 01:41:04.399 --> 01:41:08.800 haven't got into a discussion about identifying specific 01:41:08.800 --> 01:41:13.149 properties. I do know that was discussed at one point in 01:41:13.149 --> 01:41:16.000 the past, but nothing, nothing. 01:41:16.000 --> 01:41:19.770 I don't believe anything resulted from that. No part of the 01:41:19.770 --> 01:41:23.050 concern is going to be cost and we've got so much money in 01:41:23.050 --> 01:41:24.000 the tree fun. 01:41:24.000 --> 01:41:29.920 Do we have any protection as a city in order to protect 01:41:29.920 --> 01:41:32.000 these trees to pay. 01:41:32.000 --> 01:41:34.930 What is the appropriate value for it instead of somebody 01:41:34.930 --> 01:41:37.789 jacking the price up and trying to get as much as they can 01:41:37.789 --> 01:41:40.699 which we understand but we're in a situation where we're 01:41:40.699 --> 01:41:43.899 trying to preserve trees for safety and health reasons, and 01:41:43.899 --> 01:41:46.000 we would pay them for it. 01:41:46.000 --> 01:41:52.000 And a realtor could probably help me. 01:41:52.000 --> 01:41:56.000 Thank you. 01:41:56.000 --> 01:41:58.000 Do we have anything. 01:41:58.000 --> 01:42:01.899 Does the city have any other than then, you know, an em 01:42:01.899 --> 01:42:06.000 inent domain proceedings I think would be difficult for 01:42:06.000 --> 01:42:09.000 market value. 01:42:09.000 --> 01:42:12.350 Right. And I'm okay with that what I'm worried about is we 01:42:12.350 --> 01:42:15.149 go in and we're trying to preserve an area, and somebody, 01:42:15.149 --> 01:42:17.970 you know, decides what they want more than that, because 01:42:17.970 --> 01:42:21.000 they have other plans for probably to and I understand that 01:42:21.000 --> 01:42:21.000 but. 01:42:21.000 --> 01:42:24.340 So we don't have any protection other than an eminent 01:42:24.340 --> 01:42:28.000 domain. Not not that not that I'm aware of. Okay. 01:42:28.000 --> 01:42:30.000 Thank you. 01:42:30.000 --> 01:42:31.000 Chris or Alice. 01:42:31.000 --> 01:42:34.859 Thank you, Chair. So y'all know I'm not a big fan of the 01:42:34.859 --> 01:42:36.000 tree fund. 01:42:36.000 --> 01:42:40.000 Just, it just makes it way too easy. 01:42:40.000 --> 01:42:43.689 The idea of just training people is okay but it doesn't 01:42:43.689 --> 01:42:47.630 help towards the goal of planting trees. So I would hope 01:42:47.630 --> 01:42:51.000 that if we're going to keep this as an option. 01:42:51.000 --> 01:42:55.000 Since we're giving them an option to pay into a tree fun. 01:42:55.000 --> 01:42:58.000 And then they can remove trees. 01:42:58.000 --> 01:43:00.720 We've got to have some kind of parameters that we're using 01:43:00.720 --> 01:43:03.470 that money to plant trees, it doesn't make any sense why we 01:43:03.470 --> 01:43:05.000 would use it for much else. 01:43:05.000 --> 01:43:08.159 That's the option is we're going to take these trees and we 01:43:08.159 --> 01:43:11.260 're going to give you money into the tree fund, you would 01:43:11.260 --> 01:43:14.000 think that would go towards planting trees. 01:43:14.000 --> 01:43:17.020 And I, and it just has not been consistent in any kind of 01:43:17.020 --> 01:43:19.899 way and I would hope that if we're going to keep it that 01:43:19.899 --> 01:43:22.989 something gets written into there that we are planting a 01:43:22.989 --> 01:43:26.289 significant amount of trees with the tree fund every single 01:43:26.289 --> 01:43:27.000 year. 01:43:27.000 --> 01:43:31.170 I think I think the the the missing link to that is, is the 01:43:31.170 --> 01:43:35.250 sort of the tree management plan that was intended to be 01:43:35.250 --> 01:43:38.430 done. I think there was money budgeted last year again we 01:43:38.430 --> 01:43:40.000 requested it for this year. 01:43:40.000 --> 01:43:43.680 And really the goal of that plan is to identify where and 01:43:43.680 --> 01:43:47.529 what should should be planted. And so, so once we have sort 01:43:47.529 --> 01:43:50.920 of this, this tree management plan and where we're going to 01:43:50.920 --> 01:43:54.649 plant on within street trees or on city property, then it's 01:43:54.649 --> 01:43:55.000 easy to. 01:43:55.000 --> 01:43:58.689 Okay, here, here's what the plan identified of where we can 01:43:58.689 --> 01:44:01.000 and what should be planted where. 01:44:01.000 --> 01:44:03.640 And, you know, that was also just going through is 01:44:03.640 --> 01:44:06.520 concerned well how are we, where are we planting them in 01:44:06.520 --> 01:44:09.399 parks, and, and do we know that they're then going to be 01:44:09.399 --> 01:44:12.229 preserved and they're not going to be taken down at some 01:44:12.229 --> 01:44:14.000 some other in the future. 01:44:14.000 --> 01:44:16.920 And so I think that's where it goes back to having that 01:44:16.920 --> 01:44:20.060 having that plan and being able then to to go through okay 01:44:20.060 --> 01:44:23.199 yeah here here's what we accomplish here's here's where 01:44:23.199 --> 01:44:25.000 those funds were expended. 01:44:25.000 --> 01:44:27.859 I mean a plan is what I'm asking for because it just isn't 01:44:27.859 --> 01:44:30.000 one, we're just collecting money. 01:44:30.000 --> 01:44:38.550 And it's not helping the goal of what our tree code is 01:44:38.550 --> 01:44:42.000 supposed to be doing. 01:44:42.000 --> 01:44:46.140 And that that's something that with with engineering's 01:44:46.140 --> 01:44:47.000 latest. 01:44:47.000 --> 01:44:50.029 If you remember when they did the, the criteria manual they 01:44:50.029 --> 01:44:52.880 did change some of the street sections to go to more of the 01:44:52.880 --> 01:44:55.949 context sensitive corridors, which included having that 01:44:55.949 --> 01:44:58.000 having that streetscape design. 01:44:58.000 --> 01:45:04.000 But again, the missing component of that is is really that 01:45:04.000 --> 01:45:04.000 the plan. 01:45:04.000 --> 01:45:08.140 Richard I know it's, it's 630 and you have landscape code 01:45:08.140 --> 01:45:09.000 to go is that. 01:45:09.000 --> 01:45:12.340 Do you want to try to breeze through that or we can 01:45:12.340 --> 01:45:14.000 probably bring that. 01:45:14.000 --> 01:45:17.000 Bring it back at the next at the next meeting. 01:45:17.000 --> 01:45:20.000 What I just want to highlight really quick. 01:45:20.000 --> 01:45:22.000 I'm going to jump. 01:45:22.000 --> 01:45:24.399 There was some additional analysis I think I hit him into 01:45:24.399 --> 01:45:26.680 some of the stuff that we're doing but one of the things 01:45:26.680 --> 01:45:28.949 that we're that we were asked to do is, with respect to 01:45:28.949 --> 01:45:31.449 restoration again the type, the type of tree to be planted 01:45:31.449 --> 01:45:36.000 in the area needed, particularly a square, square foot of 01:45:36.000 --> 01:45:37.000 dirt. 01:45:37.000 --> 01:45:41.000 And then the cost for planning a tree and maintaining it. 01:45:41.000 --> 01:45:44.210 And then again where where these trees could be planted off 01:45:44.210 --> 01:45:47.310 site including within the rights of way and and and street 01:45:47.310 --> 01:45:50.000 trees kind of going back to back to that plan. 01:45:50.000 --> 01:45:54.000 Again, consider a credit for the prairie preserved area. 01:45:54.000 --> 01:45:56.819 If there if there's an ESO or some other mechanism so that 01:45:56.819 --> 01:46:00.079 's something we're, we're looking at. Again the protected 01:46:00.079 --> 01:46:03.289 and non protected what species and size, native adapted and 01:46:03.289 --> 01:46:06.000 non native is really kind of looking at, at those three 01:46:06.000 --> 01:46:06.000 categories. 01:46:06.000 --> 01:46:10.140 And then getting into landscape credits and one one that 01:46:10.140 --> 01:46:13.920 came up at, at, at the last year we I guess we have the 01:46:13.920 --> 01:46:18.000 monarch City USA designation monarch butterfly. 01:46:18.000 --> 01:46:21.739 And so including a credit for a butterfly habitat or garden 01:46:21.739 --> 01:46:25.430 within your within your landscape, eliminating the ESA 01:46:25.430 --> 01:46:29.270 credits for for landscape and tree preservation, and then 01:46:29.270 --> 01:46:33.029 really finalizing how those preservation credits, then 01:46:33.029 --> 01:46:35.000 apply to the landscape credits 01:46:35.000 --> 01:46:37.579 just to kind of work work through those, and whether it's a 01:46:37.579 --> 01:46:40.130 full credit partial credit so those are some of the things 01:46:40.130 --> 01:46:42.550 that that we're going to be working on over the next over 01:46:42.550 --> 01:46:45.000 the next month, and then and then coming back. 01:46:45.000 --> 01:46:47.449 But I think I still would like to come back on the 01:46:47.449 --> 01:46:50.720 landscape code because this is one of those. It's always 01:46:50.720 --> 01:46:53.890 part of the presentation we never get to it so at least 01:46:53.890 --> 01:46:57.000 wanted to perhaps put that on for the next meeting. 01:46:57.000 --> 01:46:59.000 Christopher, do you have a question. 01:46:59.000 --> 01:47:05.670 Yeah, so I was a couple of things. So how do we assign 01:47:05.670 --> 01:47:07.739 value to the trees because I work in Frisco and there was a 01:47:07.739 --> 01:47:09.920 thing a few days ago where they were actually moving trees 01:47:09.920 --> 01:47:12.000 like full grown trees and it was a beautiful site. 01:47:12.000 --> 01:47:16.159 So I'm coming down the street. And, you know, these things 01:47:16.159 --> 01:47:20.960 full grown trees were somewhere around $25,000 each to put 01:47:20.960 --> 01:47:25.520 on a property yet we don't charge people $25,000 to take 01:47:25.520 --> 01:47:29.000 down, you know, these types of things out here. 01:47:29.000 --> 01:47:32.000 discussing canopy and what's removed and what's not. 01:47:32.000 --> 01:47:38.819 So I think that's where we go back to, to that to that list 01:47:38.819 --> 01:47:42.000 and that species list. There are some there are. 01:47:42.000 --> 01:47:45.390 There are some values that were assigned from that 2016 01:47:45.390 --> 01:47:48.590 report. Interestingly, I came across a web application 01:47:48.590 --> 01:47:51.000 today need to dig into it a little bit more. 01:47:51.000 --> 01:47:54.140 But if you go if you go on the Texas and and Forestry 01:47:54.140 --> 01:47:55.000 Service. 01:47:55.000 --> 01:47:58.000 They actually have a. 01:47:58.000 --> 01:48:03.489 I think around. I still need to dig in. I don't know what 01:48:03.489 --> 01:48:07.569 the what all of the data means. I know they are looking at 01:48:07.569 --> 01:48:10.000 at 2012. 01:48:10.000 --> 01:48:12.000 I think property lines. 01:48:12.000 --> 01:48:15.300 But, but it does give you. I thought it was interesting 01:48:15.300 --> 01:48:18.010 because it gives you the current canopy, which was actually 01:48:18.010 --> 01:48:20.000 lower than a lot lower than where we are. 01:48:20.000 --> 01:48:24.090 But then it also there's a value that's assigned to it. And 01:48:24.090 --> 01:48:28.149 then it gives a regional canopy sort of canopy goals. And 01:48:28.149 --> 01:48:30.300 so it's just one of those things that I want to dig in a 01:48:30.300 --> 01:48:32.000 little bit more and see. 01:48:32.000 --> 01:48:36.289 But but it does assign a value to that to that canopy. What 01:48:36.289 --> 01:48:39.060 I haven't done is peel that back to see what that what that 01:48:39.060 --> 01:48:40.000 translates to. 01:48:40.000 --> 01:48:43.510 Again on on the speech. I think that was also one of the 01:48:43.510 --> 01:48:47.270 concerns with with the sugar bearer hackberry. If you go 01:48:47.270 --> 01:48:50.560 into the if you look in the report, it does provide a 01:48:50.560 --> 01:48:53.710 higher level than some of the trees for carbon sequest 01:48:53.710 --> 01:48:56.000 ration and other benefits. 01:48:56.000 --> 01:48:58.420 Of course, stormwater. And so again, it's just trying 01:48:58.420 --> 01:49:02.260 trying trying to balance that. But then again, tie a value 01:49:02.260 --> 01:49:03.000 to it. 01:49:03.000 --> 01:49:06.069 I had another thing you mentioned it or was on the slide a 01:49:06.069 --> 01:49:09.220 minute ago when we talk about landscaping and there was a 01:49:09.220 --> 01:49:12.449 whole idea of you know monarch butterflies and I don't know 01:49:12.449 --> 01:49:14.449 if anyone's ever kind of created a butterfly garden or 01:49:14.449 --> 01:49:15.000 whatever. 01:49:15.000 --> 01:49:18.229 Basically, it just looks like a bunch of weeds, you know, 01:49:18.229 --> 01:49:20.000 that attracts butterflies. 01:49:20.000 --> 01:49:23.329 I know as we develop more and we have more, you know, we 01:49:23.329 --> 01:49:26.720 have more houses coming in. HOA tend to not like things 01:49:26.720 --> 01:49:30.380 that look like weeds around their properties, even though 01:49:30.380 --> 01:49:33.000 they're great for the environment. 01:49:33.000 --> 01:49:37.199 Does the city have any plans or any approaches to ensuring 01:49:37.199 --> 01:49:41.000 that those types of things are not discouraged. 01:49:41.000 --> 01:49:45.800 I mean, what what what they ultimately put in in in HOA 01:49:45.800 --> 01:49:50.750 restrictions we don't we don't enforce it. Obviously, it 01:49:50.750 --> 01:49:53.350 would be up to up to the up to those two parties, but it's 01:49:53.350 --> 01:49:56.060 something that that at least we would we would include in 01:49:56.060 --> 01:50:00.000 in in the code. 01:50:00.000 --> 01:50:03.489 Chris shells. Thank you, Joe. Real quick, Richard. I know 01:50:03.489 --> 01:50:08.000 we had a draft in our backup. Do you want any comments from 01:50:08.000 --> 01:50:08.000 us on that. 01:50:08.000 --> 01:50:13.199 Please. Please. And again, it's continually changing. So it 01:50:13.199 --> 01:50:15.600 is a rough draft. But please, any any and all comments are 01:50:15.600 --> 01:50:17.000 would be greatly appreciated. 01:50:17.000 --> 01:50:20.680 Good point, Commissioner. Before we close out this would 01:50:20.680 --> 01:50:24.329 your presentation. So your backup is available to everyone 01:50:24.329 --> 01:50:26.590 online. Is there any other opportunities for the public to 01:50:26.590 --> 01:50:28.319 get involved apart from email and city staff or what are 01:50:28.319 --> 01:50:32.000 opportunities for the public to start feeding into this. 01:50:32.000 --> 01:50:35.140 I think as we as we continue to move forward, because this 01:50:35.140 --> 01:50:38.140 has kind of been on on on almost a parallel path with the D 01:50:38.140 --> 01:50:39.000 DC update. 01:50:39.000 --> 01:50:43.140 And so because this is such a has been a high priority and 01:50:43.140 --> 01:50:48.359 hot button topic through obviously it's been since 2014 and 01:50:48.359 --> 01:50:52.000 we're still talking about amendments to it. 01:50:52.000 --> 01:50:55.539 And so it might it might be just beneficial to include as 01:50:55.539 --> 01:50:59.220 part of the Web site where we have the the DDC update page, 01:50:59.220 --> 01:51:02.449 either having a sub page specifically for for tree 01:51:02.449 --> 01:51:05.760 preservation and landscape or just having having a 01:51:05.760 --> 01:51:07.000 standalone. 01:51:07.000 --> 01:51:11.329 So it's a little easier to navigate to navigate for folks. 01:51:11.329 --> 01:51:15.149 And then what we can do is and send that sort of send our 01:51:15.149 --> 01:51:18.890 blast email out to the to the folks that we have on our 01:51:18.890 --> 01:51:23.000 sort of on our, our ongoing collection of emails. 01:51:23.000 --> 01:51:24.000 Great. 01:51:24.000 --> 01:51:26.000 We'll look forward to the landscape. 01:51:26.000 --> 01:51:27.000 Next time. 01:51:27.000 --> 01:51:37.920 With that we'll close the work session at 636 and in 01:51:37.920 --> 01:51:47.909 interest of time for those waiting will reconvene in 01:51:47.909 --> 01:51:54.000 council chambers at 640. 01:51:54.000 --> 01:51:56.760 Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the 01:51:56.760 --> 01:52:00.000 planning and zoning commission meeting for September 26 at 01:52:00.000 --> 01:52:01.000 2018. 01:52:01.000 --> 01:52:03.000 It is six forty seven. 01:52:03.000 --> 01:52:04.000 I'll call this meeting to order. 01:52:04.000 --> 01:52:06.579 First item on the agenda is to stand and give a pledge 01:52:06.579 --> 01:52:12.000 allegiance to the U.S. and Texas flag. 01:52:12.000 --> 01:52:16.840 Allegiance to the United States of America and to the 01:52:16.840 --> 01:52:22.350 republic for which it stands one nation under God, indivis 01:52:22.350 --> 01:52:26.000 ible, with liberty and justice for all. 01:52:26.000 --> 01:52:28.000 Honor the Texas flag. 01:52:28.000 --> 01:52:37.800 Pledge allegiance to the Texas one state under God, one and 01:52:37.800 --> 01:52:40.000 indivisible. 01:52:40.000 --> 01:52:42.979 And before we get into the vote for the minutes, I just 01:52:42.979 --> 01:52:46.000 wanted to announce as a point of order on the agenda, 01:52:46.000 --> 01:52:51.859 public hearing item five a has been postponed to October 24 01:52:51.859 --> 01:52:52.000 th. 01:52:52.000 --> 01:52:54.979 And so we won't have a public hearing or discussion on that 01:52:54.979 --> 01:52:56.000 matter tonight. 01:52:56.000 --> 01:53:00.069 And item five C has been postponed to the October 10th 01:53:00.069 --> 01:53:01.000 meeting. 01:53:01.000 --> 01:53:04.359 There won't be a public hearing or discussion on that item 01:53:04.359 --> 01:53:05.000 either. 01:53:05.000 --> 01:53:08.930 With that, we'll move it to agenda item two, which is a 01:53:08.930 --> 01:53:13.000 consider approval for planning and zoning minutes. 01:53:13.000 --> 01:53:19.000 We'll take these separately as we have one absent. 01:53:19.000 --> 01:53:25.000 Chair will entertain a motion or discussion. 01:53:25.000 --> 01:53:30.000 No buttons will do voting and motions by hand this evening. 01:53:30.000 --> 01:53:34.000 Commissioner Beck. 01:53:34.000 --> 01:53:36.000 Can you hit your mic? 01:53:36.000 --> 01:53:43.000 I move we approve the minutes for. 01:53:43.000 --> 01:53:44.000 What date are we talking about? 01:53:44.000 --> 01:53:45.000 August 22nd. 01:53:45.000 --> 01:53:46.000 August 22nd. 01:53:46.000 --> 01:53:48.000 I was here for both of them. 01:53:48.000 --> 01:53:49.000 Thank you, Commissioner Beck. 01:53:49.000 --> 01:53:50.000 Commissioner Ellis. 01:53:50.000 --> 01:53:51.000 Thank you, Chair. 01:53:51.000 --> 01:53:52.000 Second. 01:53:52.000 --> 01:53:53.000 We have a first and a second. 01:53:53.000 --> 01:53:55.000 Any discussion on the matter? 01:53:55.000 --> 01:54:06.189 We'll call for a vote on the board for the minutes of 01:54:06.189 --> 01:54:10.000 August 22nd. 01:54:10.000 --> 01:54:13.000 That carries seven zero. 01:54:13.000 --> 01:54:15.000 We have minutes for September 12th. 01:54:15.000 --> 01:54:16.000 Commissioner Ellis. 01:54:16.000 --> 01:54:17.000 Thank you, Chair. 01:54:17.000 --> 01:54:19.000 I move approval of the minutes of September 12th. 01:54:19.000 --> 01:54:21.000 Thank you, Commissioner Sanchez. 01:54:21.000 --> 01:54:23.000 I second that motion. 01:54:23.000 --> 01:54:24.000 Perfect. 01:54:24.000 --> 01:54:25.000 We have a first and a second. 01:54:25.000 --> 01:54:26.000 Any discussion on the minutes? 01:54:26.000 --> 01:54:39.000 Seeing none, I'll call for a vote on the board. 01:54:39.000 --> 01:54:42.000 That carries six zero with one recusal. 01:54:42.000 --> 01:54:45.000 We'll move this to the consent agenda. 01:54:45.000 --> 01:54:48.000 We can have discussion or a motion on the item. 01:54:48.000 --> 01:54:49.000 Commissioner Smith. 01:54:49.000 --> 01:54:51.000 Motion and approval of the consent agenda. 01:54:51.000 --> 01:54:52.000 Commissioner Ellis. 01:54:52.000 --> 01:54:54.000 Thank you, Chair. 01:54:54.000 --> 01:54:55.000 Second. 01:54:55.000 --> 01:54:56.000 We have a first and a second. 01:54:56.000 --> 01:54:57.000 Any discussion on the item? 01:54:57.000 --> 01:55:12.000 Seeing none, we can vote on the board. 01:55:12.000 --> 01:55:14.000 Motion carries seven zero. 01:55:14.000 --> 01:55:16.000 That moves us to items for individual consideration. 01:55:16.000 --> 01:55:22.000 The first is SP18-0028. 01:55:22.000 --> 01:55:24.649 We do have a conflict on this, so I'll give Commissioner 01:55:24.649 --> 01:55:37.000 Pernetta a minute to clear. 01:55:37.000 --> 01:55:39.000 And the floor is yours, Haley. 01:55:39.000 --> 01:55:40.000 All right. Good evening. 01:55:40.000 --> 01:55:44.000 This is a site plan for a Chase Bank at Razor Ranch. 01:55:44.000 --> 01:55:47.159 The request before you is for approval of a site plan for 01:55:47.159 --> 01:55:49.000 the site outlined in yellow on the map. 01:55:49.000 --> 01:55:52.000 The use is a proposed Chase Bank location, as I mentioned. 01:55:52.000 --> 01:55:55.600 The property is approximately 1.36 acres, located on the 01:55:55.600 --> 01:56:00.000 south side of University along Town Center Boulevard. 01:56:00.000 --> 01:56:02.630 The base zoning for the property is Regional Center 01:56:02.630 --> 01:56:04.000 Commercial Downtown. 01:56:04.000 --> 01:56:07.000 However, there is an overlay for this particular area that 01:56:07.000 --> 01:56:09.000 you see colored and shaded on the map. 01:56:09.000 --> 01:56:12.000 This is all part of the Razor Ranch Overlay District. 01:56:12.000 --> 01:56:15.390 The subject property is part of what's called the South RR2 01:56:15.390 --> 01:56:16.000 District, 01:56:16.000 --> 01:56:19.170 which is a primarily commercial kind of highway style 01:56:19.170 --> 01:56:24.000 development that outlines the town center of Razor Ranch. 01:56:24.000 --> 01:56:26.210 All site plans for properties within Razor Ranch are 01:56:26.210 --> 01:56:28.000 required to come to P&Z for approval. 01:56:28.000 --> 01:56:31.340 In particular, the South RR2 District is subject to the 01:56:31.340 --> 01:56:35.319 standards for architecture and landscaping with an exhibit 01:56:35.319 --> 01:56:38.000 C1 and D1 of the overlay. 01:56:38.000 --> 01:56:40.899 As part of the site plan, you will see not only the site 01:56:40.899 --> 01:56:44.060 plan itself, but also the landscape plan and the building 01:56:44.060 --> 01:56:45.000 elevations. 01:56:45.000 --> 01:56:47.390 The Razor Ranch Overlay District does outline criteria for 01:56:47.390 --> 01:56:48.000 approval. 01:56:48.000 --> 01:56:51.539 There are four, the first being that the site plan complies 01:56:51.539 --> 01:56:53.000 with that concept plan, 01:56:53.000 --> 01:56:55.539 which we just saw which outlined the districts and where 01:56:55.539 --> 01:56:58.000 the general use types would go within the overlay. 01:56:58.000 --> 01:57:00.380 The second being that the plan provides for a compatible 01:57:00.380 --> 01:57:03.210 arrangement of buildings and land uses that wouldn't advers 01:57:03.210 --> 01:57:05.000 ely affect adjoining properties. 01:57:05.000 --> 01:57:07.720 Third being the site plan provides for adequate and safe 01:57:07.720 --> 01:57:09.000 vehicular circulation. 01:57:09.000 --> 01:57:12.000 And then finally that it complies with all other sections 01:57:12.000 --> 01:57:13.000 of the overlay. 01:57:13.000 --> 01:57:15.979 So now we'll go through these pieces in detail so that you 01:57:15.979 --> 01:57:19.000 can see how it is in compliance with these standards. 01:57:19.000 --> 01:57:20.869 So looking at the site plan, you can see the building 01:57:20.869 --> 01:57:22.000 itself is outlined in blue. 01:57:22.000 --> 01:57:24.000 It's approximately 4,800 square feet. 01:57:24.000 --> 01:57:27.000 The use itself is permitted within the RR2 District. 01:57:27.000 --> 01:57:29.489 Banks are considered both a professional service and in 01:57:29.489 --> 01:57:32.020 this case also a drive-through because it has four drive- 01:57:32.020 --> 01:57:34.250 through lanes you see there on the south side of the 01:57:34.250 --> 01:57:35.000 building. 01:57:35.000 --> 01:57:39.000 The site plan reflects 42 parking spaces. 01:57:39.000 --> 01:57:42.130 16 are required based on the city's parking standards as 01:57:42.130 --> 01:57:43.000 the minimum. 01:57:43.000 --> 01:57:45.569 Razor Ranch is a little bit different than the rest of the 01:57:45.569 --> 01:57:48.609 city, whereas our minimum is our maximum for site plans 01:57:48.609 --> 01:57:50.000 elsewhere in the city. 01:57:50.000 --> 01:57:54.300 The overlay district for Razor Ranch actually excludes that 01:57:54.300 --> 01:57:57.680 maximum and allows for excess parking within the 01:57:57.680 --> 01:57:59.000 development. 01:57:59.000 --> 01:58:02.069 In terms of access to the site, they would have one primary 01:58:02.069 --> 01:58:04.000 entrance that's circled in red. 01:58:04.000 --> 01:58:07.000 This is off of an internal drive aisle within the overlay. 01:58:07.000 --> 01:58:09.810 It would be a shared driveway with the restaurant that adjo 01:58:09.810 --> 01:58:11.000 ins them to the west. 01:58:11.000 --> 01:58:13.819 And then off of that you can see where the cars would enter 01:58:13.819 --> 01:58:16.000 the drive-through here on the west side. 01:58:16.000 --> 01:58:18.539 There are four lanes there that would provide for adequate 01:58:18.539 --> 01:58:20.000 stacking space for vehicles. 01:58:20.000 --> 01:58:22.000 And then there is this kind of loop around the site, 01:58:22.000 --> 01:58:24.590 whereas once those vehicles exit, they could go either 01:58:24.590 --> 01:58:28.550 north or south to get out of the property back to the main 01:58:28.550 --> 01:58:30.000 drive aisle. 01:58:30.000 --> 01:58:33.149 Looking at the landscaping for the site, the overlay 01:58:33.149 --> 01:58:37.069 requires a minimum of 10% landscaping and a minimum of 25% 01:58:37.069 --> 01:58:38.000 tree canopy. 01:58:38.000 --> 01:58:42.210 So the site is providing 32% landscaping and 32% tree 01:58:42.210 --> 01:58:45.000 canopy, so well above that minimum. 01:58:45.000 --> 01:58:48.340 Another component of Razor is the requirement for plaza 01:58:48.340 --> 01:58:51.000 area to be pedestrian-friendly spaces. 01:58:51.000 --> 01:58:53.399 So outlined in orange on the map is where that plaza area 01:58:53.399 --> 01:58:54.000 would be. 01:58:54.000 --> 01:58:56.399 So it will include benches for pedestrian seating outside 01:58:56.399 --> 01:59:00.149 of the bank, as well as shade trees and landscaping plan 01:59:00.149 --> 01:59:03.000 ters to enhance the exterior area. 01:59:03.000 --> 01:59:05.199 An additional requirement that I wanted to point out is 01:59:05.199 --> 01:59:07.550 that the overlay requires screening of the drive-through 01:59:07.550 --> 01:59:09.000 from adjacent drive aisles. 01:59:09.000 --> 01:59:12.300 So they have provided additional landscaping in the form of 01:59:12.300 --> 01:59:15.449 shrubs and low plants here on the exterior in addition to 01:59:15.449 --> 01:59:17.000 their perimeter trees. 01:59:17.000 --> 01:59:20.699 And then they are providing a low masonry wall on the south 01:59:20.699 --> 01:59:24.180 side of the drive-through to screen it from that drive 01:59:24.180 --> 01:59:25.000 aisle. 01:59:25.000 --> 01:59:27.569 Also within Razor, there are architectural standards that 01:59:27.569 --> 01:59:30.000 requires kind of a uniform theming of the buildings. 01:59:30.000 --> 01:59:32.880 One of the key components being the usage of native Texas 01:59:32.880 --> 01:59:35.000 stone and limestone on the building. 01:59:35.000 --> 01:59:37.539 So you can see here they are using a mixture of limestone, 01:59:37.539 --> 01:59:40.479 brick, and stucco that are within the color palette for Raz 01:59:40.479 --> 01:59:44.000 or Ranch and generally consistent with the area. 01:59:44.000 --> 01:59:45.550 Just looking at the other side of the building here for 01:59:45.550 --> 01:59:48.699 reference, that low masonry wall would be located somewhere 01:59:48.699 --> 01:59:52.000 in this area just outside of the drive-through canopy. 01:59:52.000 --> 01:59:55.000 So staff is recommending approval of the site plan. 01:59:55.000 --> 01:59:56.840 We found it to be compliant with all the standards of the 01:59:56.840 --> 01:59:58.840 Razor Overlay District as well as the criteria for approval 01:59:58.840 --> 01:59:59.000 . 01:59:59.000 --> 02:00:04.000 I'm happy to answer any questions you might have. 02:00:04.000 --> 02:00:07.000 I do not see any. Thank you, Haley. 02:00:07.000 --> 02:00:10.000 This item is an individual consideration item. 02:00:10.000 --> 02:00:14.600 However, if you do wish to speak, we can certainly allow 02:00:14.600 --> 02:00:16.000 for speakers. 02:00:16.000 --> 02:00:25.000 Is there anyone wishing to speak on the item? 02:00:25.000 --> 02:00:29.079 If you could just state your name and address for the 02:00:29.079 --> 02:00:30.000 record. 02:00:30.000 --> 02:00:34.060 My name is Matthew Craig and I'm with CUNY List Design. We 02:00:34.060 --> 02:00:35.000 're here representing the bank. 02:00:35.000 --> 02:00:40.000 My address is 2080 North Highway 360 in Grand Prairie. 02:00:40.000 --> 02:00:43.399 There was a couple items brought up and I wanted to just in 02:00:43.399 --> 02:00:45.000 the planning meeting. 02:00:45.000 --> 02:00:49.140 First, yes, it is a relocation of the branch that's at West 02:00:49.140 --> 02:00:51.000 University in Hinkle. 02:00:51.000 --> 02:00:54.960 The second one on the parking, because it's a retail and a 02:00:54.960 --> 02:00:59.090 financial center, it will be staffed from 11 to 18 02:00:59.090 --> 02:01:00.000 employees. 02:01:00.000 --> 02:01:05.529 So there's the 42 spaces. We were expecting 20 of them to 02:01:05.529 --> 02:01:07.000 be used by staff. 02:01:07.000 --> 02:01:11.659 So that's why there's such a large number of parking spaces 02:01:11.659 --> 02:01:12.000 . 02:01:12.000 --> 02:01:15.000 The other item that was brought up, the bike racks. 02:01:15.000 --> 02:01:19.529 Yes, something we can definitely will add to the plan when 02:01:19.529 --> 02:01:22.000 we come forward with the CDs. 02:01:22.000 --> 02:01:24.000 Perfect. I appreciate addressing those issues brought up. 02:01:24.000 --> 02:01:27.600 Is there any other questions of the applicant? Commissioner 02:01:27.600 --> 02:01:28.000 Ellis. 02:01:28.000 --> 02:01:30.590 Thank you, Chair. Actually, not a question, but just thank 02:01:30.590 --> 02:01:32.430 you for listening to our concerns and thank you for 02:01:32.430 --> 02:01:34.000 addressing them. We appreciate it. 02:01:34.000 --> 02:01:40.000 Thank you. 02:01:40.000 --> 02:01:44.289 Seeing no other discussion, we can talk amongst ourselves 02:01:44.289 --> 02:01:47.000 or motion. Commissioner Smith. 02:01:47.000 --> 02:01:50.359 Make a motion for approval. Commissioner Ellis. Thank you, 02:01:50.359 --> 02:01:51.000 Chair. Second. 02:01:51.000 --> 02:01:54.000 We have a first and a second. Any discussion on the item? 02:01:54.000 --> 02:02:09.000 Seeing none, I'll call for a vote on the board. 02:02:09.000 --> 02:02:21.000 Motion carries six zero with one recusal. 02:02:21.000 --> 02:02:31.140 That moves us to the Republic hearing. Now invite 02:02:31.140 --> 02:02:39.000 Commissioner Pernetta back to the dais. 02:02:39.000 --> 02:02:46.430 With five a being postponed, we will move to five B S 02:02:46.430 --> 02:02:51.000 eighteen dash zero zero six. I will open the public hearing 02:02:51.000 --> 02:02:51.000 and invite Haley for presentation. 02:02:51.000 --> 02:02:54.510 All right. Good evening. This is a specific use permit 02:02:54.510 --> 02:02:58.000 request for a McDonald's drive through. 02:02:58.000 --> 02:03:10.000 The subject property is outlined in yellow on the map. It 02:03:10.000 --> 02:03:10.000 is approximately one point six nine acres in size. As you 02:03:10.000 --> 02:03:10.000 can see, it's located at the northeast corner of the 02:03:10.000 --> 02:03:10.000 intersection of I thirty five east and Fort Worth Drive. 02:03:10.000 --> 02:03:13.369 I wanted to point out that the property and the one point 02:03:13.369 --> 02:03:16.729 six nine acres is actually comprised of pieces of three 02:03:16.729 --> 02:03:20.069 parcels that were all bisected by text dots right of way 02:03:20.069 --> 02:03:24.000 acquisition for their ultimate build out of I thirty five. 02:03:24.000 --> 02:03:26.770 The property is zoned downtown commercial general. So this 02:03:26.770 --> 02:03:29.210 is one of our kind of mixed use high dense high intensity 02:03:29.210 --> 02:03:33.109 districts. The restaurant use is permitted by right. The 02:03:33.109 --> 02:03:35.000 drive through is the component that requires the specific 02:03:35.000 --> 02:03:38.000 use permit. 02:03:38.000 --> 02:03:41.369 The DDC outlines numerous criteria for approval for an 02:03:41.369 --> 02:03:44.090 issue. They all kind of center around the idea of 02:03:44.090 --> 02:03:46.000 compatibility and consistency. 02:03:46.000 --> 02:03:49.149 So just to summarize these some of the key elements are 02:03:49.149 --> 02:03:52.720 that the use wouldn't impede the development of surrounding 02:03:52.720 --> 02:03:56.149 properties that adequate parking is provided for the site 02:03:56.149 --> 02:03:58.000 as well as adequate access. 02:03:58.000 --> 02:04:01.390 Nuisance prevention is a key element. So looking at things 02:04:01.390 --> 02:04:04.729 like odor fumes lighting nuisances that may be generated as 02:04:04.729 --> 02:04:07.779 well as landscaping and screening and architectural 02:04:07.779 --> 02:04:09.000 compatibility. 02:04:09.000 --> 02:04:11.779 So I want to kind of walk through the specifics of what's 02:04:11.779 --> 02:04:14.810 proposed here for this. So you can see in blue the building 02:04:14.810 --> 02:04:18.000 footprint would be just over 5000 square feet. 02:04:18.000 --> 02:04:20.449 They are proposing along with the building a two lane drive 02:04:20.449 --> 02:04:23.149 through. So the kind of yellow stars on the map indicate 02:04:23.149 --> 02:04:25.000 where those order points would be. 02:04:25.000 --> 02:04:28.359 So you can see it is two lanes of a drive through that 02:04:28.359 --> 02:04:32.279 funnel down to one with two windows in the building. So you 02:04:32.279 --> 02:04:34.930 would have the cash window and then the pickup window as 02:04:34.930 --> 02:04:37.000 separate locations on the building. 02:04:37.000 --> 02:04:39.810 They are providing 50 parking spaces which meets the DDC 02:04:39.810 --> 02:04:42.000 requirement for a restaurant of this size. 02:04:42.000 --> 02:04:44.829 And then there are three driveway locations which are circ 02:04:44.829 --> 02:04:46.000 led in red on the map. 02:04:46.000 --> 02:04:49.600 So one driveway would be this access point off of the I-35 02:04:49.600 --> 02:04:52.000 frontage road here on the south side. 02:04:52.000 --> 02:04:55.000 The second point would be off of South Locust Street. 02:04:55.000 --> 02:04:57.550 And then the third would be a cross connection to the bank 02:04:57.550 --> 02:04:59.949 property to the north which is required by the Denton 02:04:59.949 --> 02:05:03.000 Development Code for commercial properties to interconnect. 02:05:03.000 --> 02:05:05.800 And then just also wanted to point out there is kind of a 02:05:05.800 --> 02:05:08.739 fourth access point if you look further north on the site 02:05:08.739 --> 02:05:12.369 there is a northern driveway in the bank property where 02:05:12.369 --> 02:05:15.939 traffic could also cut through and exit further up on Fort 02:05:15.939 --> 02:05:17.000 Worth Drive. 02:05:17.000 --> 02:05:20.619 Looking at the landscape plan, one of the key elements that 02:05:20.619 --> 02:05:23.970 staff analyzed on this case was kind of that screening and 02:05:23.970 --> 02:05:27.399 compatibility to kind of limit any visual impacts that the 02:05:27.399 --> 02:05:29.000 drive through may have. 02:05:29.000 --> 02:05:31.350 So I wanted to point out the site is exceeding the minimum 02:05:31.350 --> 02:05:33.000 landscape requirement of 15%. 02:05:33.000 --> 02:05:36.000 They have approximately 27% landscaping on the site. 02:05:36.000 --> 02:05:39.100 They are required a type C buffer because there's a multif 02:05:39.100 --> 02:05:42.000 amily use that adjoins them to the north and east. 02:05:42.000 --> 02:05:45.300 So outlined in light green is that buffer area where they 02:05:45.300 --> 02:05:48.000 've provided all the required plantings. 02:05:48.000 --> 02:05:49.869 And then as I mentioned the screening at the right of way 02:05:49.869 --> 02:05:51.000 was one of our key concerns. 02:05:51.000 --> 02:05:54.039 So you can see here they've provided the minimum parking 02:05:54.039 --> 02:05:57.149 lot screening that the code requires which is kind of a shr 02:05:57.149 --> 02:06:00.000 ub row, some screening trees as well as a berm. 02:06:00.000 --> 02:06:02.979 They've also provided all of the street trees that are 02:06:02.979 --> 02:06:06.289 required as well as some enhanced landscaping around things 02:06:06.289 --> 02:06:09.449 such as their proposed signs and then the drive through 02:06:09.449 --> 02:06:12.739 itself has some enhanced landscaping that you can see there 02:06:12.739 --> 02:06:13.000 . 02:06:13.000 --> 02:06:15.239 Looking at the building itself, these are kind of the sch 02:06:15.239 --> 02:06:16.000 ematics for it. 02:06:16.000 --> 02:06:19.789 So it is a mixture of masonry and architectural metal 02:06:19.789 --> 02:06:21.000 components. 02:06:21.000 --> 02:06:23.289 It is one of the prototypes that McDonald's has out 02:06:23.289 --> 02:06:24.000 currently. 02:06:24.000 --> 02:06:26.000 So here are the color renderings of that. 02:06:26.000 --> 02:06:28.699 So you can see a neutral color palette with some accent 02:06:28.699 --> 02:06:31.279 colors of yellow on the building keeping with their 02:06:31.279 --> 02:06:32.000 branding. 02:06:32.000 --> 02:06:34.220 And then on the bottom side here you can see the actual 02:06:34.220 --> 02:06:36.000 drive through features themselves. 02:06:36.000 --> 02:06:41.000 So fairly standard for a restaurant of this type. 02:06:41.000 --> 02:06:43.439 Some of the additional analysis that staff did was look at 02:06:43.439 --> 02:06:45.840 the future land use designation of the property which is 02:06:45.840 --> 02:06:47.000 community mixed use. 02:06:47.000 --> 02:06:49.859 So this is a designation that applies to predominantly 02:06:49.859 --> 02:06:51.000 commercial areas. 02:06:51.000 --> 02:06:54.250 So it's something you would typically see along our major 02:06:54.250 --> 02:06:58.000 thoroughfare such as Highway 377 and the interstate. 02:06:58.000 --> 02:07:00.289 In this area we encourage infill and attractive redevelop 02:07:00.289 --> 02:07:01.000 ment of sites. 02:07:01.000 --> 02:07:03.859 So this checks that box as well since this is three sites 02:07:03.859 --> 02:07:06.810 that were taken out of commission with TechStops right of 02:07:06.810 --> 02:07:08.000 way acquisition. 02:07:08.000 --> 02:07:11.630 And then we found that the proposed commercial use is 02:07:11.630 --> 02:07:15.520 consistent with the parameters for community mixed use 02:07:15.520 --> 02:07:16.000 areas. 02:07:16.000 --> 02:07:18.289 Looking at what's surrounding the property we have a 02:07:18.289 --> 02:07:21.000 mixture of commercial and multifamily uses in this area. 02:07:21.000 --> 02:07:24.359 There's a bank as well as a graphic design facility to the 02:07:24.359 --> 02:07:25.000 north. 02:07:25.000 --> 02:07:28.000 Multifamily as I mentioned here to the north and east. 02:07:28.000 --> 02:07:30.689 And then across Fort Worth Drive we have a service station 02:07:30.689 --> 02:07:33.000 as well as some other fast food restaurants. 02:07:33.000 --> 02:07:35.520 So this is consistent with this type of development in the 02:07:35.520 --> 02:07:36.000 area. 02:07:36.000 --> 02:07:38.619 Unlikely to generate any nuisances for those properties 02:07:38.619 --> 02:07:40.000 since the uses are so similar. 02:07:40.000 --> 02:07:43.239 And it's also consistent with just kind of the auto 02:07:43.239 --> 02:07:47.000 oriented pattern that we have in this part of the city. 02:07:47.000 --> 02:07:50.000 Notification was sent for this request. 02:07:50.000 --> 02:07:53.000 We received no responses to that legal notice to date. 02:07:53.000 --> 02:07:57.569 The applicant didn't hold a neighborhood meeting in this 02:07:57.569 --> 02:07:58.000 case. 02:07:58.000 --> 02:08:00.279 And they did however post the required signs on the 02:08:00.279 --> 02:08:02.000 property since the end of August. 02:08:02.000 --> 02:08:05.119 Those signs have been up to alert the neighbors and drive 02:08:05.119 --> 02:08:06.000 by traffic. 02:08:06.000 --> 02:08:08.470 Staff is recommending approval of the request with one 02:08:08.470 --> 02:08:09.000 condition. 02:08:09.000 --> 02:08:11.829 That the provided site plan, landscape plan and building 02:08:11.829 --> 02:08:14.000 elevations be considered preliminary. 02:08:14.000 --> 02:08:16.359 Therefore a full site plan submittal would be required to 02:08:16.359 --> 02:08:19.390 ensure that the development complies with all requirements 02:08:19.390 --> 02:08:20.000 of the DDC. 02:08:20.000 --> 02:08:23.479 As they move through the engineering and design of the site 02:08:23.479 --> 02:08:25.000 with their platting. 02:08:25.000 --> 02:08:27.000 And I'd be happy to answer any questions you might have. 02:08:27.000 --> 02:08:28.000 Thank you Haley. 02:08:28.000 --> 02:08:29.000 Commissioner Ellis. 02:08:29.000 --> 02:08:30.000 Thank you Chair. 02:08:30.000 --> 02:08:32.000 Haley one thing we didn't talk about in work session was 02:08:32.000 --> 02:08:35.079 there was a drive through fast food place on one of these 02:08:35.079 --> 02:08:36.000 sites right? 02:08:36.000 --> 02:08:37.000 Correct. 02:08:37.000 --> 02:08:39.000 The middle one I think or something like that. 02:08:39.000 --> 02:08:42.000 If you look at the map I believe the taco comando is here. 02:08:42.000 --> 02:08:44.979 So there was previously a drive through that actually pred 02:08:44.979 --> 02:08:48.000 ated our current development code that requires the SUP. 02:08:48.000 --> 02:08:53.000 Okay thanks. 02:08:53.000 --> 02:08:55.000 I do not see any other questions. 02:08:55.000 --> 02:08:56.000 Thank you. 02:08:56.000 --> 02:08:57.000 This is a public hearing. 02:08:57.000 --> 02:08:59.000 We do have one card requesting to speak. 02:08:59.000 --> 02:09:04.000 It is the Red Plains professionals. 02:09:04.000 --> 02:09:06.000 If you could come down. 02:09:06.000 --> 02:09:09.130 As a group there's a total of 20 minutes to speak but 10 02:09:09.130 --> 02:09:10.000 per speaker. 02:09:10.000 --> 02:09:12.000 10 minutes per speaker. 02:09:12.000 --> 02:09:15.000 If you could state your name and address for the record. 02:09:15.000 --> 02:09:20.189 Greg Massey with Red Plains professionals 2933 South Bryant 02:09:20.189 --> 02:09:25.000 Edmond, Oklahoma representing the applicant McDonald's. 02:09:25.000 --> 02:09:27.000 Haley did such a wonderful job introducing this. 02:09:27.000 --> 02:09:30.630 I don't want to occupy your time regurgitating what she's 02:09:30.630 --> 02:09:32.000 already told you. 02:09:32.000 --> 02:09:35.760 Please be aware this is a relocation from their previous 02:09:35.760 --> 02:09:39.050 site which was located on North Texas Boulevard 02:09:39.050 --> 02:09:45.000 approximately a mile northwest of this location. 02:09:45.000 --> 02:09:49.180 There's been a lot of work done to come up with this 02:09:49.180 --> 02:09:54.000 location as an acceptable alternative for McDonald's. 02:09:54.000 --> 02:09:58.090 We will be happy to answer any questions that Planning 02:09:58.090 --> 02:10:00.000 Commission has of us. 02:10:00.000 --> 02:10:02.000 We do have a couple questions. 02:10:02.000 --> 02:10:03.000 Commissioner Ellis are you still? 02:10:03.000 --> 02:10:04.000 Okay. 02:10:04.000 --> 02:10:05.000 Commissioner Beck. 02:10:05.000 --> 02:10:06.000 Thank you Chair. 02:10:06.000 --> 02:10:07.000 Thank you Mr. Massey. 02:10:07.000 --> 02:10:08.000 Yes. 02:10:08.000 --> 02:10:09.000 Thank you for your presentation. 02:10:09.000 --> 02:10:12.539 Personally I'm glad to see that you're getting rebuilt 02:10:12.539 --> 02:10:15.520 there and filling in this area that's been vacant for so 02:10:15.520 --> 02:10:16.000 long. 02:10:16.000 --> 02:10:21.000 I'll miss the taco bueno. 02:10:21.000 --> 02:10:24.220 Looking forward to as you as you do develop this thing in 02:10:24.220 --> 02:10:27.670 the landscaping everything I appreciate the fact that you 02:10:27.670 --> 02:10:30.689 're not only meeting city criteria but exceeding as far as 02:10:30.689 --> 02:10:32.000 putting your tree landscape up front. 02:10:32.000 --> 02:10:35.000 Just quick question about signage. 02:10:35.000 --> 02:10:38.760 What are you looking at for your I 35 frontage road sign 02:10:38.760 --> 02:10:41.000 and the Fort Worth Street site. 02:10:41.000 --> 02:10:55.000 Well, again, we're expecting. We're anticipating following 02:10:55.000 --> 02:10:55.000 city code as far as signage and based on the fact we have 02:10:55.000 --> 02:10:55.000 frontage on essentially three public streets we are only 02:10:55.000 --> 02:10:55.000 looking for two signs. 02:10:55.000 --> 02:11:03.880 We're looking for I believe 40 foot is the maximum on the I 02:11:03.880 --> 02:11:11.119 35 frontage, and then a secondary sign. Excuse me, on 02:11:11.119 --> 02:11:11.750 Highway 377 Fort Worth Boulevard, 20 foot, I believe, and 02:11:11.750 --> 02:11:12.000 both of those. 02:11:12.000 --> 02:11:15.409 The one on Fort Worth Boulevard I believe is required to be 02:11:15.409 --> 02:11:19.039 a monument sign with, and we will be providing significant 02:11:19.039 --> 02:11:22.350 amount of landscaping around the base of both of those so 02:11:22.350 --> 02:11:26.000 you'll be doing the monument sign on the Fort Worth Street 02:11:26.000 --> 02:11:26.000 side. 02:11:26.000 --> 02:11:31.000 Yes. Okay, which is going to be 20 feet. I believe that's 02:11:31.000 --> 02:11:33.000 for that's the maximum. 02:11:33.000 --> 02:11:36.659 It will be per code and I believe that was identified as 02:11:36.659 --> 02:11:40.819 the highway sign could be 40 foot, and then the monument 02:11:40.819 --> 02:11:46.420 sign would have to be 20 foot maximum. Okay, very good. 02:11:46.420 --> 02:11:48.000 Thank you. 02:11:48.000 --> 02:11:50.760 I do not see any other questions. Thanks for coming in and 02:11:50.760 --> 02:11:53.000 being here available. Thank you. 02:11:53.000 --> 02:11:58.500 This is a public hearing, if anyone else wishes to speak on 02:11:58.500 --> 02:12:02.000 the item, more than welcome to do so. 02:12:02.000 --> 02:12:04.880 Seeing no one else to speak I will close the public hearing 02:12:04.880 --> 02:12:07.000 and open it for a motion or discussion. 02:12:07.000 --> 02:12:11.729 Commissioner Smith motion to approve s 18 dash 0006 with 02:12:11.729 --> 02:12:15.000 the condition. Yes, with the staff condition I apologize. 02:12:15.000 --> 02:12:17.000 Commissioner Ellis. 02:12:17.000 --> 02:12:18.000 Second. 02:12:18.000 --> 02:12:21.420 We have a first and a second is there any discussion on the 02:12:21.420 --> 02:12:22.000 item. 02:12:22.000 --> 02:12:29.000 Seeing none I will call for a motion on the board. 02:12:29.000 --> 02:12:45.000 Motion carries seven zero. Congratulations. 02:12:45.000 --> 02:12:53.359 Five see again has been postponed till October 10 meeting 02:12:53.359 --> 02:13:00.430 that moves us to our final item, which is our project 02:13:00.430 --> 02:13:02.000 matrix. 02:13:02.000 --> 02:13:06.300 Just wanted to provide just a little bit, a little bit 02:13:06.300 --> 02:13:10.960 update on. There were two memos that were attached, one 02:13:10.960 --> 02:13:16.000 from solid waste, and the other from from Heywood regarding 02:13:16.000 --> 02:13:16.000 . 02:13:16.000 --> 02:13:18.000 Excuse me. 02:13:18.000 --> 02:13:21.000 Regarding the tree protection standards. 02:13:21.000 --> 02:13:25.529 I know that that in speaking with public. I'm sorry solid 02:13:25.529 --> 02:13:30.449 waste. If there was additional information needed from that 02:13:30.449 --> 02:13:35.000 , in addition to that to what was provided in the memo. 02:13:35.000 --> 02:13:38.670 They could, I think would be willing to come. I just wanted 02:13:38.670 --> 02:13:41.460 to, I think what they want to do is at least provide that 02:13:41.460 --> 02:13:43.000 provide that memo to you. 02:13:43.000 --> 02:13:55.170 Commissioner Ellis. Thank you, Jim. Thank you for that memo 02:13:55.170 --> 02:13:55.409 in there, Richard. I did have questions on it. So should I 02:13:55.409 --> 02:13:55.640 dress Mr Cox directly or or if you just want to, if you don 02:13:55.640 --> 02:13:58.000 't mind just keeping me keeping me in the loop that way. 02:13:58.000 --> 02:14:01.350 I just have an idea. And then even for my own. Yeah, my own 02:14:01.350 --> 02:14:05.000 knowledge. Yeah. Okay. Sounds good. Thanks. 02:14:05.000 --> 02:14:08.300 One other thing I want to point out. I know we initially 02:14:08.300 --> 02:14:11.720 were looking at having traffic engineering, most likely 02:14:11.720 --> 02:14:13.000 going to have them. 02:14:13.000 --> 02:14:16.329 I'm going to try to have them come on on 1024 for that 02:14:16.329 --> 02:14:19.819 update. And then with that I'll also include that update 02:14:19.819 --> 02:14:23.090 for for the notification process on on infrastructure 02:14:23.090 --> 02:14:24.000 projects. 02:14:24.000 --> 02:14:27.600 There are a number of traffic studies that the city is 02:14:27.600 --> 02:14:31.430 undertaking. I think it's probably a good idea at that 02:14:31.430 --> 02:14:35.250 point in time to have an update from from pre tem. One of 02:14:35.250 --> 02:14:37.520 those areas that we're looking at is along the Sherman 02:14:37.520 --> 02:14:38.000 corridor. 02:14:38.000 --> 02:14:41.180 North of essentially just south of the loop and north and 02:14:41.180 --> 02:14:44.159 just looking at the overall impacts as a result of the 02:14:44.159 --> 02:14:47.300 development that was really from Stark farms. If you 02:14:47.300 --> 02:14:48.000 remember. 02:14:48.000 --> 02:14:52.050 Additionally, a traffic study. It's actually somewhat begun 02:14:52.050 --> 02:14:56.609 . We are collecting traffic counts again. So this would be 02:14:56.609 --> 02:15:07.220 the area from Ryan Road south and then from Country Club 02:15:07.220 --> 02:15:09.000 over to 02:15:09.000 --> 02:15:13.810 I think it goes all the way over to T.C. I have to remember 02:15:13.810 --> 02:15:15.529 what that what the eastern eastern road is. But we are 02:15:15.529 --> 02:15:17.020 looking at that. We'll be looking at that area 02:15:17.020 --> 02:15:20.000 comprehensively. And so I know there we've actually 02:15:20.000 --> 02:15:21.000 planning staff has been 02:15:21.000 --> 02:15:24.300 I think this for the first time meeting with traffic 02:15:24.300 --> 02:15:28.069 engineering and talking planning and future and how to how 02:15:28.069 --> 02:15:32.279 to do this. So it's kind of it's it's daunting but it's fun 02:15:32.279 --> 02:15:34.000 in the same in the same token. 02:15:34.000 --> 02:15:37.520 And then we'll be gearing up to do the same same on the for 02:15:37.520 --> 02:15:39.000 that southern study. 02:15:39.000 --> 02:15:43.399 Trish or else. Thank you. Chair Richard with that. You know 02:15:43.399 --> 02:15:46.149 we used to have traffic engineering here back in the day at 02:15:46.149 --> 02:15:52.260 our meetings. I missed that because we often have have lots 02:15:52.260 --> 02:15:55.000 of questions with regard to that. 02:15:55.000 --> 02:15:59.020 But knowing that that may not be able to happen. I think if 02:15:59.020 --> 02:16:02.970 we could get engineering in our work sessions a handful of 02:16:02.970 --> 02:16:06.989 times a year maybe quarterly something like that to update 02:16:06.989 --> 02:16:10.520 us and keep us apprised of what's going on I think that 02:16:10.520 --> 02:16:13.369 would help tremendously and certainly help all of our 02:16:13.369 --> 02:16:15.000 knowledge bases. 02:16:15.000 --> 02:16:19.159 Especially as these projects come forward. And there's so 02:16:19.159 --> 02:16:22.989 many things sort of happening and changes I think it's it 02:16:22.989 --> 02:16:27.000 would be beneficial to just have that that update of what's 02:16:27.000 --> 02:16:30.000 going on and where the plan is. 02:16:30.000 --> 02:16:34.000 Chris Sanchez this will be what he issued. I know last time 02:16:34.000 --> 02:16:37.479 last meeting we had was an individual here and he was 02:16:37.479 --> 02:16:41.290 talking about how we're keep building and pushing all the 02:16:41.290 --> 02:16:45.129 traffic onto existing roads but we haven't I haven't seen 02:16:45.129 --> 02:16:47.000 anything any kind of planning. 02:16:47.000 --> 02:16:51.770 What's the long term plan on creating new roads to take not 02:16:51.770 --> 02:16:54.000 just push all traffic into the. 02:16:54.000 --> 02:17:00.000 Is there anything going on out there to address that issue. 02:17:00.000 --> 02:17:00.000 Yes. 02:17:00.000 --> 02:17:04.000 So there is my. 02:17:04.000 --> 02:17:08.479 There there's currently the city has a mobility plan that 02:17:08.479 --> 02:17:11.000 that we often refer to. 02:17:11.000 --> 02:17:15.030 It really needs it really needs to be updated and 02:17:15.030 --> 02:17:19.979 engineering I believe council had approved a request. I 02:17:19.979 --> 02:17:24.920 think they've already started putting the RFP together to 02:17:24.920 --> 02:17:28.000 do a traffic waste plan for the city. 02:17:28.000 --> 02:17:32.879 But but looking at all components of it so what roads need 02:17:32.879 --> 02:17:37.750 to be built and what which locations and where what's and 02:17:37.750 --> 02:17:41.000 what what what with but with that. 02:17:41.000 --> 02:17:43.639 So it's a little bit broader than just just the mobility 02:17:43.639 --> 02:17:46.459 but also then incorporating bike and pedestrian as part of 02:17:46.459 --> 02:17:47.000 that. 02:17:47.000 --> 02:17:50.729 And so that way we it's a little bit more there's a little 02:17:50.729 --> 02:17:54.549 bit more science to it. I think we often are challenged 02:17:54.549 --> 02:17:58.299 with looking at the mobility plan and if you ever look at 02:17:58.299 --> 02:18:01.000 it there there's lines on there that. 02:18:01.000 --> 02:18:04.200 Whether they make sense or not. It is what it is but but it 02:18:04.200 --> 02:18:07.510 definitely needs to be updated. And so that that's where 02:18:07.510 --> 02:18:11.229 they're looking at and particularly with the north sort of 02:18:11.229 --> 02:18:15.000 that North Sherman study and then the study off Orion Road 02:18:15.000 --> 02:18:16.000 particularly on 02:18:16.000 --> 02:18:19.430 Orion Road because there's that north north south there's 02:18:19.430 --> 02:18:23.319 there's it's limited. And so prior to product additional 02:18:23.319 --> 02:18:27.239 growth coming in there, really looking at what can be done 02:18:27.239 --> 02:18:30.000 for an additional north south collector. 02:18:30.000 --> 02:18:33.000 Question back. Thank you, Chair. 02:18:33.000 --> 02:18:35.760 Just a monkey on back there maybe it might not be a bad 02:18:35.760 --> 02:18:38.409 idea to hit is it PS that would come in and talk to us 02:18:38.409 --> 02:18:40.000 about the mobility plan. 02:18:40.000 --> 02:18:42.000 It would be pre temp. 02:18:42.000 --> 02:18:45.360 We work that into a work session sometime down the road 02:18:45.360 --> 02:18:48.780 because I think me and Andrew the only ones here now that 02:18:48.780 --> 02:18:51.000 we had any kind of presentation on that. 02:18:51.000 --> 02:18:53.399 What I'd like to do is have them come I'm going to try to 02:18:53.399 --> 02:18:56.739 get them here on 1024. Okay. Just to kind of give a kind of 02:18:56.739 --> 02:18:59.329 the lay of the land and all of the things that that that 02:18:59.329 --> 02:19:01.000 they're they're working on. 02:19:01.000 --> 02:19:04.219 And then perhaps at maybe after the first quarter of the 02:19:04.219 --> 02:19:07.649 year. Once we have the results from some of those studies 02:19:07.649 --> 02:19:11.079 with respect to Ryan road and then on Sherman, just to give 02:19:11.079 --> 02:19:12.000 an update. 02:19:12.000 --> 02:19:15.370 Because again, those are the questions that often shouldn't 02:19:15.370 --> 02:19:18.450 say often always come up when your task with with 02:19:18.450 --> 02:19:22.000 recommending a project within those areas. 02:19:22.000 --> 02:19:26.010 So they could be good to have have that have you involved 02:19:26.010 --> 02:19:28.000 in that earlier than later. 02:19:28.000 --> 02:19:31.709 The only thing I would add is 1024 setting up to be a an 02:19:31.709 --> 02:19:35.049 active meeting. If we just like to make sure the work 02:19:35.049 --> 02:19:37.000 session starts early enough. 02:19:37.000 --> 02:19:40.479 That's what I want to check this. Yeah, we're all available 02:19:40.479 --> 02:19:43.000 to get here earlier because. 02:19:43.000 --> 02:19:47.000 Anything else. 02:19:47.000 --> 02:19:56.629 Okay, with that we will close the plan and zoning 02:19:56.629 --> 02:20:04.000 Commission meeting at 710. Thank you.