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So this item is a site plan for a chase bank at razor ranch

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So you can see the subject property is outlined in yellow

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on the map.

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This site is approximately 1.3 acres.

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It's a site that's been in use for a long time.

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It's a site that's been in use for a long time.

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It's a site that's been in use for a long time.

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It's a site that's been in use for a long time.

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It's a site that's been in use for a long time.

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It's a site that's been in use for a long time.

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So this site is approximately 1.3 acres.

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It is located on the south side of University Drive at the

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intersection of town center boulevard which is just down

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heritage trail which you all may be more familiar with by

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downtown.

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However, this map here reflects the boundaries of what's

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the south side of the property.

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So this property is part of what's known as the south RR2

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which is kind of the commercial perimeter for what will

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be the town center as this develops here in the RR1 region.

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recently as a

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general development plan and preliminary plat which is kind

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known as razor ranch east which is the south mixed use

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that will be a mixture of residential and commercial.

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So as some of you are familiar with all site plans for

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razor ranch

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are required to come before the planning and zoning

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commission for

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approval.

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exhibit C1 and D1 that dictate the architectural and

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standards for these sites.

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So the site plan elements that come before you all are the

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plan itself which shows the layout of the building and

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parking, the

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landscape plans and the building elevations.

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The overlay district does outline several criteria for

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So it dictates that the P&Z shall approve a site plan and

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P&Z shall approve a site plan if it finds that the plan is

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substantial compliance with that concept plan that we just

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the razor ranch overlay.

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So this is in conformance with the commercial uses

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the south RR2 district.

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compatible arrangement of buildings and land uses that

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adversely affect any adjoining neighborhoods or properties.

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That it provides for adequate and safe vehicular

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circulation.

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And that it fully complies with all other sections of the

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So I'll kind of walk through the site plan and the

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elements now so that you can see how it is in compliance

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requirements.

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So here's the site plan for this property.

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So you can see just one building of approximately 4800

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square feet.

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The use is considered professional service as well as

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drive-through.

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Both of those are permitted in the south RR2 district.

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They're proposing just over 40 parking spaces.

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So about 42 are shown here.

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They are only required 16.

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As you've heard me say before, razor kind of wrote into the

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overlay that they don't have to comply with the city's

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parking requirements.

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So they can't overpark a site without having to go through

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ADP process that a normal site plan would.

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And they are providing one point of access here that will

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shared driveway with the restaurant next door.

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So no direct access concerns because they're not directly

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tying into 380 or Town Center Trail here.

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They'll just have that one internal driveway.

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Looking at their landscaping, so this site's required a

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of 10% landscaping and 25% tree canopy.

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So they are in excess of both of those requirements.

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The area outlined in yellow is where they would provide the

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required plaza elements.

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So they are exceeding the minimum plaza area.

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And this area will contain benches, shade trees,

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and planters to make it a more pedestrian-friendly space.

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And one of the other key components when there is a

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drive-through is the required screening.

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So to screen this from the adjoining drive aisles,

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they provided some extra landscaping in the form of

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shrubs here in front of the drive-through.

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side to kind of screen that, the drive-through lanes from

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adjoining drive aisle.

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Here are the proposed elevations for the buildings.

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This is the west side on top and then the north elevation

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on the bottom.

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The primary building materials are limestone brick and stuc

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co.

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So these are in compliance with the architectural standards

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RAZOR and consistent with the general theming of the native

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Texas stone and limestone throughout the town center area.

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Here you can see the other two sides of the building.

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So this is what the drive-through would look like.

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And that low masonry wall would sit approximately here just

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outside those drive aisles to screen the cars from the

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right-of-way.

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So staff is recommending approval of the request.

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We found it to be compliant with all of the applicable

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regulations within the overlay district as well as the

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criteria for approval.

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And I'm happy to answer any questions you might have.

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-Christine or Becky?

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-Just a quick question.

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Is this a relocation for Chase Bank?

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I believe they have one down on Inklund University.

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-I'm not aware of it being a relocation.

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But I believe the developer for RAZOR will be here this

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so you can answer that question.

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-Thank you, Abe.

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-Christine or Alice?

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-Thank you, Chair.

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Just curious on the 42 parking places, that is a lot for a

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bank.

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Did you ask?

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-It did seem like a high number.

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I'm not sure what their driving factor is for that, but

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felt that that was the amount of parking they needed

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there was some question about whether there should be a

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second

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dumpster location on the site.

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And that would have required them to lose parking, and they

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were very opposed to losing any parking spaces for their

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customers and staff.

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-Thank you.

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With that, with the drive-through traffic, is that

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coming in off of the Chili's parking lot?

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Is that how they're getting to the drive-through?

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-Correct.

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So the traffic would enter here from the shared driveway,

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then when they exit, either loop around to the south or to

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north back through the parking lot.

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-And they can go around the building when they exit?

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-Correct.

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They could maneuver either way when they come out of that

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drive-through.

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I would imagine most of them would go here to the south

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straight out back to the driveway.

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-Is the stacking on the site plan, is that accurate?

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-At high times, I wonder how that's going to go as far as

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the line waiting for drive-through.

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-Yeah, I believe they did meet the adequate stacking

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for our engineers when they reviewed this.

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But I think with the four driveways, there wasn't generally

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a concern that it would back up too much because there's

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multiple options there.

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-It worked as long as it was looked at.

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-Any other questions?

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I have two.

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One is along the lines of Commissioner Ellis.

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The bank operation is kind of inverse to the Chili's

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operation in terms of uses of parking.

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42 seems like a whole lot to put a lot of concrete out

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there.

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So maybe I could talk to the applicant about that.

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If they put more green space or I don't know what options

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But with that, I didn't hear, but can you talk about where

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they're putting bike stands?

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-I don't recall seeing bike racks.

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I'll try to look a little more closely here.

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-With their overlay, are they required to?

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-No, it's an option that they can include within the plaza

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area.

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But it's not a strict requirement that they have bicycle

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parking.

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It may be something that they'd be amenable to adding if

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you think

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that would make the site more consistent with the

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surroundings.

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I know many of the restaurants in the area do have bike

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racks.

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-I'm also thinking of Razor Rance East, which is about to

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be residential.

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They could easily ride their bike over to the bank.

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-Yeah, I'm not seeing bike racks.

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I don't recall if they have them.

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I'm not seeing them called out here on the plan.

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That's something I can look into for the regular meeting.

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-Awesome.

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Any other questions?

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Great.

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So that moves us on to our public hearing items.

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Item 5A has been postponed until the October 24th meeting.

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So has Item 5C has also been postponed to the October 10th

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meeting.

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So the only item for public hearing tonight is 5B, which is

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S18-6, which is Haley.

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-All right.

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So this is a specific use permit request related to a drive

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-through for McDonald's.

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So you can see the subject property outlined here in yellow

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As I mentioned, the request is for a specific use permit to

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allow for a drive-through on this site.

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The site, as you can kind of see here with the faint white

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lines, is a combination of three kind of remainders

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after all of this frontage here was taken by textile to

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future right-of-way.

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So what was left was approximately 1.69 acres where

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McDonald's is proposed to go.

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So the zoning for the site is Downtown Commercial General.

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Within this district, the McDonald's itself is permitted by

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right.

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It's the drive-through that requires the specific use

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permit.

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And as we've looked at before, the criteria for approval of

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an SUP are very lengthy.

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Those are enumerated in your staff analysis, and I'm happy

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to go through them if you'd like.

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But kind of in summary, the main component of an SUP is

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requiring compatibility between this use and surrounding

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properties.

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So looking to see whether this use would impede any sort of

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normal and orderly development on surrounding properties,

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whether it would generate any nuisances in terms of access,

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traffic, odors, lighting, that sort of thing,

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as well as landscaping and architectural compatibility.

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So we'll kind of walk through the details of what's

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proposed here.

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So you can see outlined in blue, the building itself is

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just over 5,000 square feet.

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What they're proposing is a two-lane drive-through here on

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the east side of the site.

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So you can see cars would enter here on the south side.

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And then there are two lanes.

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I kind of use the yellow stars to indicate where those

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ordering points would be at the drive-through.

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And then this would funnel down into one lane that would

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wrap around the building.

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And there are two windows here, as is typical at a McDonald

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's, where you pay at one window and then pick up at the

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other.

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They do have all the required parking for the site.

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So the size of the development requires 50 parking spaces,

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which they've accommodated.

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They do have three points of entry into the site.

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So you can see here one of the existing driveways is being

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maintained.

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If you drive by the site, you'd see there's also a driveway

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here that will be closed with this development.

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So they would maintain this driveway, as well as the

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existing pavement that's here off of South Locust Street

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would be another entry point.

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And then, as is required by code for commercial development

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to have cross access,

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they would have one point of shared access with the bank

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property to the north.

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In looking at the drive-through itself, the DDC has

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requirements for drive-throughs being screened from the

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right-of-way when you're in a pedestrian-oriented district.

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This isn't actually in a pedestrian district, but to make

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it more compatible and consistent with the area,

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we talked to the applicant about ways that they could

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provide screening along the right-of-way, you know, to just

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limit any visual nuisances that may occur here.

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It is typical highway development, but we thought enhancing

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it with landscaping would be appropriate.

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So what they were able to provide is the required type C

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buffer between commercial and multifamily development.

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They've included all of those elements here in the area in

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light green.

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And then they've accommodated the required street trees, as

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well as required parking lot screening here on the front,

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as well as providing some enhanced landscaping in some of

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these areas you can see around their signs,

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as well as some additional bushes and shrubbery here at the

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entrances to kind of enhance the visuals of this from the

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right-of-way.

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So they've accommodated all of the required landscaping, as

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well as provided excess in the number of total landscaping

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that's required.

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Fifteen percent is the minimum. They're at almost 30

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percent.

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And then you can see here they've also proposed some

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enhanced landscaping along the drive-through to make that

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more visually pleasing as you're going through.

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So there are some color elevations, so just wanted to show

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the schematic drawings of the site here for your reference.

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The building is approximately 20 feet tall with a

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combination of masonry and architectural metal as the main

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materials.

340
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So looking here at the colored renderings, fairly typical

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prototype for a McDonald's.

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As I mentioned, they do have a combination of brick, some e

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phas on the upper portions of the building, which is a stuc

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co-like material,

345
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and then these architectural metal panels that have become

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rather popular at the McDonald's facilities.

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You can see here on the bottom what the drive-through

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itself would look like, so kind of the standard McDonald's

349
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prototype, as I mentioned.

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So some of the further analysis that we did for this case

351
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was looking at our future land use plan.

352
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So this area is deemed on our future land use map for

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community mixed use, so that is a predominantly commercial

354
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designation.

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It's an area where we're encouraging infill and attractive

356
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redevelopment, so that's fairly fitting.

357
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Three parcels were taken with the Tex-Dot right-of-way

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acquisition.

359
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And just in general, this is kind of a typical highway-

360
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style development that we would see in these areas at the

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intersection of two major arterials.

362
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Looking at surrounding land uses, as I mentioned, we have a

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bank just to the north. This is Impress Graphics, as the

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other northern adjoining property.

365
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And then we do have quite a bit of multifamily density here

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behind this use.

367
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So, like I mentioned, the McDonald's is not only consistent

368
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with what we typically see along a highway, but generally

369
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compatible with the mixture in this area.

370
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There's a gas station and other fast food just across the

371
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street from it.

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So it's consistent with kind of the auto-oriented

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development that's in this area.

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Notifications were sent out about this. We've received no

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responses to date.

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The applicant did post the required signs on the property,

377
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so you've probably seen those. They've been up since late

378
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August.

379
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And there wasn't a neighborhood meeting held for this case.

380
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They didn't really see that they would get a whole lot of

381
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response from the surrounding commercial development, which

382
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is consistent with what we saw with our legal notices.

383
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But I'm happy to answer any other questions. We are

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recommending approval of the case with one condition.

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Commissioner Beck.

386
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Go ahead and cite the condition.

387
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Okay. It's kind of our standard condition for SUPs that we

388
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consider these preliminary drawings as they go through the

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remainder of replatting the property.

390
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We would look at that time a full site plan would come in

391
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for review to make sure it's consistent with all of the

392
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other requirements of the code.

393
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Okay, thanks. Thank you, Chair.

394
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Concerning the text dot right-of-way, go back to your site

395
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location picture.

396
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So the yellow line, everything up the yellow line is the

397
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text dot right-of-way?

398
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That's correct. All of this property between the existing

399
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service road and here has been acquired by text dot.

400
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And that's for future use?

401
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Correct.

402
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,000
Okay, which we don't know what that is right now, right?

403
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,380
Yeah, I think they have some schematic plans out. But the

404
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future widening of both the actual I-35 corridor as well as

405
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the service roads.

406
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My only concern, and it may not be that big of a deal, is

407
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it'll draw in some extra cars there at feeding time

408
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especially.

409
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And you've got the three lanes. You've got one where you've

410
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got to turn left, one where you got to go straight, and the

411
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other one you've got to turn right.

412
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And I can see that stacking up at certain hours. It's too

413
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bad that McDonald's won't have the opportunity to put a

414
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little access lane there to keep the traffic flowing.

415
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So, I don't know. We'll just have to see how that goes. And

416
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I guess they're parking on the would be the north side. Are

417
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they sharing that with the bank next to them? Or is that

418
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theirs along that north line? Yeah.

419
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,349
This is actually the bank property up here. So they're just

420
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showing that for...

421
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,000
That's not in their parking account?

422
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,500
No, sir. All of their parking spaces are accommodated on

423
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site.

424
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How many they got on site?

425
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,130
They have 50, so you can see they have, you know, kind of

426
00:22:21,130 --> 00:22:23,869
parking on all sides as well as actually some parallel

427
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spaces, even over here and some back by the dumpsters.

428
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Are they over their limit?

429
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,000
They're at exactly the required number.

430
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Okay, great. Thank you.

431
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,880
And with respect to the driveways, they did do a full

432
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traffic impact analysis for this. And they've worked with

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PreTam extensively to make sure that these driveways are at

434
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appropriate locations.

435
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So, the spacing was a little difficult, but they were able

436
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to meet everyone's goals in providing what PreTam considers

437
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safe access to the site.

438
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Commissioner Sanchez.

439
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On what you talk about the vegetation, on the south side

440
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you have some trees right there. Now, is there any concern

441
00:23:06,690 --> 00:23:11,720
that as those trees mature, they'll hide the McDonald's and

442
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,000
it won't be as visible?

443
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,859
You know, it is possible, but as is typical with McDonald's

444
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, they have plans for all of their normal signs to make sure

445
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that their site is adequately visible from the right away.

446
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So they would have not only the sign here on Fort Worth

447
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Drive, they also have plans to apply for permits for signs

448
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along the freeway to make sure the site visibility is

449
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maintained.

450
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,299
And then of course all these existing trees in this area

451
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are within the text out right of way. So, you know, that

452
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would be up to text out as to how long those trees maintain

453
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on the site.

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Commissioner Beck.

455
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:54,759
Thank you, Chair. That raises another question. Are we

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going to put the tree protections around those existing

457
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trees, even though it's on text out, but I mean, because

458
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they could be impacted by construction.

459
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So are we, is the city going to be responsible for

460
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protecting those trees or is it text out?

461
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The tree protection would apply to the area that they're

462
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disturbing, which would just be within the boundaries of

463
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this lot. So there are several trees.

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There's one existing tree here within the buffer area as

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well as a few others that you can see called out here with

466
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these large circles, that they would be required to have

467
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protection around because those are on their tree

468
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preservation plan.

469
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So, if some of those existing trees on text out right away

470
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gets damaged, nobody's going to take responsibility for

471
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that?

472
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,660
Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't believe they would have

473
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any impact with their development in this area.

474
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,390
It shouldn't, it should all be outside of their area of

475
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impact.

476
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,329
Most of them do look like you've got the cluster right

477
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there.

478
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,359
This driveway, the paving is already there, so they may do

479
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some improvements there, but their construction would be

480
00:24:55,769 --> 00:24:57,000
just within their lot.

481
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:01,000
Okay, thank you.

482
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:05,000
So a couple questions.

483
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The current exit ramp, is it right at, I'm trying to

484
00:25:10,750 --> 00:25:13,000
visualize.

485
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:18,630
Okay, it got moved back. Okay, it used to be a lot closer

486
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:20,000
before this.

487
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So that's good.

488
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:26,880
The other question I have is, we just widened I-30, well we

489
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, not me.

490
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,690
Text out is widened I-35 and the service roads seem to be

491
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in place, so it seems, I don't know the timeframe of

492
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extending that any further.

493
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:42,769
But what's, who's required to keep that plot of land decent

494
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looking?

495
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:48,000
Because it could be years before anything happens there,

496
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,299
and we're going to have this text out owned property that

497
00:25:51,299 --> 00:25:54,000
is a pretty prime location to the entrance of our city,

498
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that no one has responsibility to put nice grasses or

499
00:25:58,599 --> 00:26:00,000
anything in?

500
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,880
It is fully owned and maintained by TextDOT, it's my

501
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,000
understanding.

502
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,400
They have kind of the same situation all over the city

503
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,529
where they've acquired all this future right of way, but it

504
00:26:11,529 --> 00:26:15,000
is owned and maintained by TextDOT.

505
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,779
That's concerning. And then the last question I have is,

506
00:26:18,779 --> 00:26:22,569
just because we had McDonald's, maybe the same people come

507
00:26:22,569 --> 00:26:26,000
a couple years ago, closer to campus or on campus,

508
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,000
depending on who you ask.

509
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,450
There's a large backlash on signage. There's a lot of talk

510
00:26:31,450 --> 00:26:35,490
about the signs they get put up and how tall and where they

511
00:26:35,490 --> 00:26:36,000
go.

512
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,309
Is that to be determined in this SUP or is that just, they

513
00:26:40,309 --> 00:26:45,119
just have to approve staffs or the city's requirements? How

514
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:46,000
does the signage work?

515
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,430
Yeah, so signs are, each individual sign would be a

516
00:26:48,430 --> 00:26:51,180
separate permit application, so it's not like if they apply

517
00:26:51,180 --> 00:26:53,380
for three signs that they'd all get approved or denied

518
00:26:53,380 --> 00:26:54,000
together.

519
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,000
They're all looked at independently.

520
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,980
And those, even though they showed their intended sign

521
00:26:58,980 --> 00:27:01,849
locations here on this plan, those are each subject to

522
00:27:01,849 --> 00:27:05,009
individual review and approval as they get further through

523
00:27:05,009 --> 00:27:06,000
the process.

524
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,480
But correct me if I'm wrong, the signage on the primary

525
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,349
arterial has a different standard than the freeway side, or

526
00:27:13,349 --> 00:27:15,000
is it based on zoning?

527
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:19,819
It is both. It's by zoning and type of roadway. So the Fort

528
00:27:19,819 --> 00:27:24,269
Worth Drive sign would have different criteria than the

529
00:27:24,269 --> 00:27:26,000
freeway signage.

530
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,170
I'm happy to look into what those limits are if you're

531
00:27:28,170 --> 00:27:30,000
interested before the regular meeting.

532
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,339
Not a big deal. And then they are continuing to drive

533
00:27:33,339 --> 00:27:37,309
through TxDOT property. Are they required to maintain all

534
00:27:37,309 --> 00:27:40,740
the way up to the curb? Or where is their requirements to

535
00:27:40,740 --> 00:27:42,000
maintain that exit?

536
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,599
I believe, you know, until something occurs here that this

537
00:27:45,599 --> 00:27:49,150
would be their driveway to maintain. They are, or they will

538
00:27:49,150 --> 00:27:51,960
be required to get a TxDOT permit for any work that they do

539
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,390
on this property, but it would be their driveway to

540
00:27:54,390 --> 00:27:56,000
maintain, is my understanding.

541
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,000
Okay, thank you.

542
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,000
Christian Pernetta.

543
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,109
So, I believe one of the entrances is shared by the bank,

544
00:28:03,109 --> 00:28:07,500
the one off of Locust. Is that entrance into the McDonald's

545
00:28:07,500 --> 00:28:11,200
, do they share an entrance with a, it looks like an

546
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,000
apartment complex?

547
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:17,000
I see if it shows up well on the aerial.

548
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,089
I have a more zoomed in version. Their driveway would be

549
00:28:20,089 --> 00:28:23,299
just south of the apartment. So you can see here it doesn't

550
00:28:23,299 --> 00:28:26,660
show up very well. This, where I'm pointing with the cursor

551
00:28:26,660 --> 00:28:29,900
, is actually the apartments driveway, and theirs is just

552
00:28:29,900 --> 00:28:31,000
south of that.

553
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,000
Okay.

554
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,500
Kind of right in the in the bend of South Locust Street. So

555
00:28:35,500 --> 00:28:37,000
, it's not ideal.

556
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,880
But, but it was the best suited location and it is actually

557
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,829
existing paving for whatever used to be on that property.

558
00:28:44,829 --> 00:28:47,920
It was an existing driveway. Because that's kind of like a

559
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,670
tight fit because, because I get around traffic all the

560
00:28:49,670 --> 00:28:51,000
time by bailing at Locust and going there.

561
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:56,000
And that's, so it means a lot to me.

562
00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,799
But, but, so, so what you're describing is like right off

563
00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:05,349
the turn right before the bend would be the entrance into

564
00:29:05,349 --> 00:29:07,769
the McDonald's. Correct. And that's kind of two quick turns

565
00:29:07,769 --> 00:29:09,000
. I'm not, it seems like it might be a little bit dangerous.

566
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,440
It was looked at in part of their traffic impact analysis,

567
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,819
and what they found is the the apartment driveway has very

568
00:29:15,819 --> 00:29:19,119
low traffic volume so they didn't see that there would be

569
00:29:19,119 --> 00:29:22,410
any any you know inconsistencies or hazards there if you

570
00:29:22,410 --> 00:29:26,000
will between traffic competing between the between the two

571
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:26,000
driveways.

572
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,000
It is a quick motion but it being an existing driveway.

573
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,599
It was kind of hard to say no you can't use the paving that

574
00:29:32,599 --> 00:29:35,569
's already on your property. But, but all of this was looked

575
00:29:35,569 --> 00:29:38,420
at in depth because they were trying to determine, you know

576
00:29:38,420 --> 00:29:41,230
, which one of these two driveways here on the service road

577
00:29:41,230 --> 00:29:43,000
would be more appropriate.

578
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,759
And this was found the southern one closest to that Locust

579
00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:48,460
Point was found to be kind of the safer where people would

580
00:29:48,460 --> 00:29:51,220
have more time to determine what they're doing as they're

581
00:29:51,220 --> 00:29:54,119
entering and leaving the McDonald's with these three lanes

582
00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:56,000
on the on the frontage road.

583
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,730
But, but yeah that was a concern, but the volume of traffic

584
00:29:58,730 --> 00:30:01,430
that uses that apartment entrance wasn't high enough that

585
00:30:01,430 --> 00:30:03,980
they thought there would be any conflict there between

586
00:30:03,980 --> 00:30:07,000
people trying to get to McDonald's versus the apartments.

587
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:11,000
Okay, thank you.

588
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,000
Any other questions on this item.

589
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,000
Is the applicant going to be present tonight. I believe so.

590
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:24,710
Thank you. That ends our public hearing items so we will

591
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:29,349
move on to our work session item to to a would be receive a

592
00:30:29,349 --> 00:30:34,000
presentation and discussion about project types.

593
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:41,000
I believe this is a continuation from last meeting.

594
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,000
Good evening I'm Julie Wyatt.

595
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,630
And I am presenting the second half of boot camp for the

596
00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:52,720
second half of the introduction of boot camp. So, last

597
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:57,259
meeting we, we started talking about the project type so my

598
00:30:57,259 --> 00:31:01,500
task was to talk to you to you about what types of projects

599
00:31:01,500 --> 00:31:05,000
that the city typically season that you see,

600
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,710
whether or not that project type requires a public hearing,

601
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:12,049
and then who approves it so if I if I repeat myself tell me

602
00:31:12,049 --> 00:31:15,369
to keep skipping forward but I think we talked about the

603
00:31:15,369 --> 00:31:18,809
pre development meeting and what that meant and what how

604
00:31:18,809 --> 00:31:21,000
developers use that pre development

605
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,000
meeting.

606
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,049
And we had, we started talking about the entitlement

607
00:31:26,049 --> 00:31:27,000
process.

608
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:37,460
Had we finished it. I'll dive in and we'll, and we'll, if I

609
00:31:37,460 --> 00:31:38,230
repeat myself. That's all right so. So in the development

610
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:39,000
process kind of the next step would be entitlement so.

611
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,549
First of all, if a property isn't within the city of Denton

612
00:31:42,549 --> 00:31:46,299
, an applicant may choose to pursue an annexation. That's

613
00:31:46,299 --> 00:31:48,700
not something that comes before the planning and zoning

614
00:31:48,700 --> 00:31:51,000
Commission it would go straight to city council.

615
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,420
But as you probably are aware when a property is annexed

616
00:31:54,420 --> 00:31:57,849
into the city of Denton, it gets kind of a place holding

617
00:31:57,849 --> 00:32:01,000
zoning designation it's not actually zoned.

618
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,680
So, so they may have to do a zoning for that property,

619
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,710
particularly if they're going to develop something other

620
00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:12,000
than a single family home on a five acre lot.

621
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,220
So, the first thing the staff does when we receive a rez

622
00:32:15,220 --> 00:32:18,509
oning request is to look at the future land use map and the

623
00:32:18,509 --> 00:32:20,000
comprehensive plan.

624
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,220
If the if a rezoning doesn't match the comprehensive plan.

625
00:32:23,220 --> 00:32:26,329
There are a couple ways that could be addressed. One is a

626
00:32:26,329 --> 00:32:29,480
comprehensive plan amendment. This is not something that we

627
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,000
see terribly often within the city of Denton.

628
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,940
The code is pretty specific that it can only be done four

629
00:32:35,940 --> 00:32:39,799
times a year and it actually lays out what months can be

630
00:32:39,799 --> 00:32:43,000
the comprehensive plan can be amended.

631
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,339
But the code does allow for zoning changes that are not

632
00:32:46,339 --> 00:32:49,700
consistent with the comprehensive plan to move forward

633
00:32:49,700 --> 00:32:53,289
provided that they have additional criteria for approval

634
00:32:53,289 --> 00:32:56,000
that they have to, they have to meet so.

635
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,339
So the second project type would be that comprehensive plan

636
00:32:59,339 --> 00:33:02,740
amendment, it would follow that that process you typically

637
00:33:02,740 --> 00:33:05,000
see where there is a public hearing.

638
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,029
This group would recommend make a recommendation and then

639
00:33:09,029 --> 00:33:12,910
city council would either approve or deny that request a

640
00:33:12,910 --> 00:33:18,000
zoning change is something you frequently see and that is,

641
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,000
it requires a public hearing.

642
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,299
And this, this commission is a recommending body, and then

643
00:33:23,299 --> 00:33:27,000
city council would approve or deny that request.

644
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,569
Master plan community is something you don't see often as

645
00:33:30,569 --> 00:33:34,279
well. If you're curious in sub chapter seven of the Denton

646
00:33:34,279 --> 00:33:37,789
development code it lays out that master plan community

647
00:33:37,789 --> 00:33:39,000
project type.

648
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,940
It really is kind of, it's a plan development but it's a

649
00:33:42,940 --> 00:33:46,980
very large scale plan development so the code requires a

650
00:33:46,980 --> 00:33:52,329
minimum of either 300 contiguous acres, or 125 contiguous

651
00:33:52,329 --> 00:33:56,190
acres provided that it's under one ownership so it's a

652
00:33:56,190 --> 00:33:59,000
really large project.

653
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,059
It includes the entire zoning, in that it would lay out the

654
00:34:03,059 --> 00:34:06,869
text as well as a map for that area the text would include

655
00:34:06,869 --> 00:34:10,889
the uses permitted, maybe the development standards,

656
00:34:10,889 --> 00:34:14,000
cohesive design, design standards.

657
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,349
So, and then it would include a map that would say where

658
00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:20,769
those those uses would go so it is really just a very large

659
00:34:20,769 --> 00:34:24,260
plan development. We don't have a lot of those I think we

660
00:34:24,260 --> 00:34:27,599
have a couple of them within the city but to my knowledge

661
00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:30,000
we haven't had one actually developed.

662
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,000
So, but they may come forward.

663
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,429
Specific use permit, you just, you just talked about one,

664
00:34:36,429 --> 00:34:39,659
we see those from time to time. As you're probably aware

665
00:34:39,659 --> 00:34:42,780
specific use permit is is required for some uses within

666
00:34:42,780 --> 00:34:46,239
zoning districts that may be compatible, but that require a

667
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,000
little extra scrutiny.

668
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,710
Often there are design considerations associated with it so

669
00:34:51,710 --> 00:34:55,190
you saw that Haley talked about that we looked at that that

670
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:58,739
McDonald's is kind of a pedestrian oriented so what kind of

671
00:34:58,739 --> 00:35:02,400
landscaping would be associated where would the driveways

672
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:03,000
go how would we, how would

673
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,599
those vehicles move safely in and out of the site to ensure

674
00:35:06,599 --> 00:35:10,239
that it is compatible with the adjacent development, and

675
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,809
when all with also with the, the general character of the

676
00:35:13,809 --> 00:35:17,400
area so all those zonings often are just looking at the use

677
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:18,000
and the development scale

678
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,530
kind of that high level that specific use really does get

679
00:35:21,530 --> 00:35:24,929
into the weeds about where those trees are where those

680
00:35:24,929 --> 00:35:28,000
driveways are what the building looks like.

681
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,969
That is reviewed by staff. It requires a public hearing, a

682
00:35:31,969 --> 00:35:35,960
recommendation and then council will approve a specific use

683
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,000
permit plan development.

684
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,489
You may or may not be aware we we had planned developments

685
00:35:41,489 --> 00:35:45,510
within the city of Denton in the 2002 code they got rid of

686
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:49,150
plan developments but they retained a few of them, I think

687
00:35:49,150 --> 00:35:51,000
16 or 15 of them.

688
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,230
So, so we don't have a lot but we do have some and so this

689
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:58,000
plan development amendment sometimes come before you.

690
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,099
And typically what you see is the detail plan so it often

691
00:36:01,099 --> 00:36:04,469
looks kind of like a specific use permit it's really, there

692
00:36:04,469 --> 00:36:07,789
's a lot of design considerations associated with that not

693
00:36:07,789 --> 00:36:10,909
necessarily talking about the use but of course the use

694
00:36:10,909 --> 00:36:14,000
would inform the design so.

695
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,329
And how it's compatible with the adjacent property so that

696
00:36:17,329 --> 00:36:20,880
plan development amendment follows that that public hearing

697
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,250
process that staff reviews it, it comes before y'all after

698
00:36:24,250 --> 00:36:28,000
that public hearing notification and then council approves

699
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,000
or denies it.

700
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,000
Yes, sir back.

701
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:36,000
And I could be wrong this along the DC rewrite.

702
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:46,920
The master plan communities. They're going away, aren't

703
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,860
they, and being replaced by plan development. I believe so,

704
00:36:48,860 --> 00:36:50,710
yes. Okay. Okay, so the ones that exist now though, we

705
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:52,360
still hold them to that criteria that they were formed

706
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:56,380
under right, I'm going to, I would imagine that they're

707
00:36:56,380 --> 00:36:58,590
going to continue on as a plan development with those

708
00:36:58,590 --> 00:36:59,000
design criteria.

709
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,000
Okay, yes.

710
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,300
Thank you. All right, so if a developer has got their entit

711
00:37:04,300 --> 00:37:07,639
lement in place they've gone through those public hearings,

712
00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:11,000
they're looking to forward to developing the property.

713
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,840
We start actually looking at the land and how it's going to

714
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,000
be split apart or developed.

715
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,599
So, so then plotting and environmentally sensitive areas

716
00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:24,050
come into play. If the property has an environmentally

717
00:37:24,050 --> 00:37:27,610
sensitive area something like a riparian buffer or upland

718
00:37:27,610 --> 00:37:30,579
habitat some forested area, they may need to do an

719
00:37:30,579 --> 00:37:33,000
environmentally environmentally sensitive

720
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,429
area assessment that is approved at the staff level. But

721
00:37:36,429 --> 00:37:39,159
what it does is allow staff to go out and look for

722
00:37:39,159 --> 00:37:41,960
biological markers that would indicate that an

723
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,530
environmentally sensitive area is in place, and then maybe

724
00:37:45,530 --> 00:37:49,000
what those boundaries are so that we can actually map it.

725
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,619
So, so that would be one step that that the applicant may

726
00:37:52,619 --> 00:37:56,489
have to go through a subdivision variance would come before

727
00:37:56,489 --> 00:38:00,230
the planning and zoning Commission if they wanted to vary

728
00:38:00,230 --> 00:38:04,460
from sub chapter 16 of the Denton Development Code we don't

729
00:38:04,460 --> 00:38:07,000
see those very often.

730
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,690
But it is a possibility if they wanted to vary from one of

731
00:38:10,690 --> 00:38:14,429
those criteria in there, it would, it would require a

732
00:38:14,429 --> 00:38:18,289
public hearing, and then, but the decision would be made

733
00:38:18,289 --> 00:38:19,000
here.

734
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,230
So, the advance plots are a plot that would subdivide the

735
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:25,219
property it doesn't give any development rights for

736
00:38:25,219 --> 00:38:28,409
developer it just merely cuts a large tract into several

737
00:38:28,409 --> 00:38:31,590
pieces, and that is approved by the planning and zoning

738
00:38:31,590 --> 00:38:37,000
Commission, as well as the general development plan,

739
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,809
that's also approved by the planning and zoning Commission

740
00:38:39,809 --> 00:38:42,210
that would be for large tracks, where we talk about

741
00:38:42,210 --> 00:38:44,860
infrastructure and make sure that infrastructure is in

742
00:38:44,860 --> 00:38:47,349
place or where it's going to go preliminary plots are

743
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:48,000
approved by the planning and

744
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,670
zoning Commission, as are, and then amending and minor

745
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:55,250
plots those are approved by staff, y'all don't ever see

746
00:38:55,250 --> 00:38:59,369
those. So just to let you know what a minor plot is a minor

747
00:38:59,369 --> 00:39:03,260
plot is a is a plot that subdivide the property into four

748
00:39:03,260 --> 00:39:06,000
or fewer lots that no public infrastructure

749
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,090
is required, except for a sidewalk, and that would generate

750
00:39:10,090 --> 00:39:14,360
fewer than 1000 vehicle trips per day so that's what our

751
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,380
code allows that to be approved at the staff level. And so

752
00:39:18,380 --> 00:39:21,000
does the Texas local government code.

753
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,199
So if an applicant does find that they have an ESA and

754
00:39:24,199 --> 00:39:28,050
environmentally sensitive area on their property, they,

755
00:39:28,050 --> 00:39:31,610
they may want to impact it, because per the code they can't

756
00:39:31,610 --> 00:39:35,159
impact it unless they get approval of an environmentally

757
00:39:35,159 --> 00:39:38,000
sensitive area plan so I know we've seen a couple

758
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,019
of them I think you just recently saw one that they, they

759
00:39:42,019 --> 00:39:46,130
needed to cross that so if if that's the case, staff would

760
00:39:46,130 --> 00:39:50,079
review it public hearing is required PNC recommend is a

761
00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:54,360
recommending body and then Council would approve civil

762
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:55,000
engineering

763
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,440
plans are not something that come here they're part of the

764
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,869
final plot review. It's to review things like water and

765
00:40:01,869 --> 00:40:05,610
sewer extensions to any perimeter street improvements, any

766
00:40:05,610 --> 00:40:07,000
regional drainage.

767
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,000
So replats.

768
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,920
You're seeing a couple tonight, and that is approved here

769
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:17,000
and then replats and residential replats. Those require a

770
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,000
public hearing and they are approved by PNC.

771
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,690
We're getting close to the end of an alternative

772
00:40:22,690 --> 00:40:26,179
development plan. So, so, a developer has their entit

773
00:40:26,179 --> 00:40:29,690
lements they have their planning and now they're looking to

774
00:40:29,690 --> 00:40:31,000
develop the site.

775
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,750
If, if they cannot meet all the site design requirements or

776
00:40:34,750 --> 00:40:38,670
if there's something unique you know, something about their

777
00:40:38,670 --> 00:40:42,030
project that they can't meet all of them that are in sub

778
00:40:42,030 --> 00:40:45,000
chapter 13 and the development code.

779
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,869
They can do something called an alternative development

780
00:40:48,869 --> 00:40:52,969
plan. And this is really site specific, it's you specific

781
00:40:52,969 --> 00:40:56,599
it's design specific and it is approved or approved or

782
00:40:56,599 --> 00:41:00,139
denied or approved with conditions are denied by the

783
00:41:00,139 --> 00:41:01,000
planning and zoning commission so essentially

784
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,809
an approval by the planning and zoning commission. Often

785
00:41:04,809 --> 00:41:08,480
you'll see that maybe they can't meet a certain screening

786
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,070
with, but they would come in here and say well I can't meet

787
00:41:12,070 --> 00:41:16,000
that with but I'm going to add this mini landscape elements

788
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,000
so you can't.

789
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,510
So, so there's there's a lot of discussion within the

790
00:41:20,510 --> 00:41:24,260
review of that to make sure that the intent of those design

791
00:41:24,260 --> 00:41:28,239
criteria are met, but that it provides some flexibility for

792
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,000
that applicant, and that would be approved here.

793
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,760
No public hearing, but it is a public meeting so that's

794
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,789
that that's this razor ranch site plan that's approved you

795
00:41:39,789 --> 00:41:43,730
saw one tonight approved by PNC, and then a site plan if an

796
00:41:43,730 --> 00:41:47,429
applicant was coming in and they were going to meet all

797
00:41:47,429 --> 00:41:49,000
site design requirements

798
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:55,539
in sub chapter 13, then it would just be a staff level

799
00:41:55,539 --> 00:41:57,000
approval.

800
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,530
These. The next group doesn't come to you it goes to the

801
00:42:01,530 --> 00:42:04,769
zoning Board of Adjustment but a hardship variance just for

802
00:42:04,769 --> 00:42:08,000
your edification is reviewed by planning or by staff.

803
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,630
It does require a public hearing, and then the zoning Board

804
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:13,320
of Adjustment would approve that approve it with conditions

805
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,679
or deny it. And then an appeal of an administrative

806
00:42:17,679 --> 00:42:22,000
decision is reviewed and approved by PN by ZBA.

807
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,650
The historic landmark we see a couple of those come through

808
00:42:25,650 --> 00:42:29,079
every year or so that has an extra step to it and that it's

809
00:42:29,079 --> 00:42:32,780
it's they make an application with staff. It's reviewed by

810
00:42:32,780 --> 00:42:35,690
staff, it goes to the HLC the historic landmark commission,

811
00:42:35,690 --> 00:42:37,000
then it comes here and

812
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,190
then it goes to city council because it's actually an extra

813
00:42:40,190 --> 00:42:43,000
layer of zoning on it on an individual property.

814
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:49,619
So that is mostly all of the project. It generally the ones

815
00:42:49,619 --> 00:42:53,940
that we see most often. So this is just a summary and this

816
00:42:53,940 --> 00:42:58,530
is kind of a restating of section 35.4.1 and the

817
00:42:58,530 --> 00:43:03,380
development code, just as a shorthand PNC approves GDPs and

818
00:43:03,380 --> 00:43:05,000
plots, alternative

819
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,869
eases plans razor ranch site plans and subdivision var

820
00:43:07,869 --> 00:43:10,579
iances. The planning and zoning recommends a is a

821
00:43:10,579 --> 00:43:13,420
recommending body and city council approved company

822
00:43:13,420 --> 00:43:16,130
comprehensive plan amendments zoning master plan

823
00:43:16,130 --> 00:43:19,000
communities SUPs plan development

824
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,019
amendments alternative uses, and DDC text amendments, and

825
00:43:23,019 --> 00:43:26,000
then city council only looks at annexations.

826
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,000
Any questions about that.

827
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,840
Okay, I'll be very fast I know y'all are might be boot camp

828
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,539
ed out but public hearing requirements we'll talk very

829
00:43:36,539 --> 00:43:40,429
briefly about those because I know it comes up from time to

830
00:43:40,429 --> 00:43:44,329
time and I know it's a really important part of that of the

831
00:43:44,329 --> 00:43:45,000
process.

832
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,079
So just to recap there are four elements to the public

833
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:51,719
hearing require or notification requirements. It has to be

834
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,219
in the newspaper. There's a mailing component, the sign

835
00:43:55,219 --> 00:43:58,510
posting and then the website and then we'll talk briefly

836
00:43:58,510 --> 00:44:00,000
about the protest.

837
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,769
So first of all newspaper. I don't know if y'all are aware

838
00:44:02,769 --> 00:44:05,280
but this is what the newspaper ads look like it has the

839
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,489
caption. It has a map contact information and then the

840
00:44:08,489 --> 00:44:10,000
meeting information.

841
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:16,929
It has to be in the paper. The day before the day before 15

842
00:44:16,929 --> 00:44:20,289
days before the meeting so essentially 17 days before the

843
00:44:20,289 --> 00:44:21,000
meeting.

844
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:41,070
We also have a mailing. The city of Denton goes above and

845
00:44:41,070 --> 00:44:41,239
beyond with the Texas local government code requires so the

846
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:41,440
Texas local government require Texas local government code

847
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:41,610
requires that the newspaper, and then a mailing to property

848
00:44:41,610 --> 00:44:42,000
owners within 200 feet of the subject property.

849
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,769
The city of Denton does do that mailing, and here is kind

850
00:44:45,769 --> 00:44:49,429
of a just to pull out of what that looks like. Recent

851
00:44:49,429 --> 00:44:52,610
projects have have caused some confusion for the public

852
00:44:52,610 --> 00:44:55,860
about what was actually being considered so we're always

853
00:44:55,860 --> 00:44:58,000
trying to improve our public notification

854
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,380
and our public outreach and so recently we've added to our

855
00:45:01,380 --> 00:45:04,960
notification letters, a little blurb about kind of what the

856
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,190
project, what's really being considered not just the

857
00:45:08,190 --> 00:45:11,420
caption the captions, fairly vague so we're trying to

858
00:45:11,420 --> 00:45:14,000
improve that make sure that we're providing the public

859
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,329
with enough information to make decisions to make decisions

860
00:45:17,329 --> 00:45:20,579
about what kind of feedback they want to give. So, this,

861
00:45:20,579 --> 00:45:23,900
the 200 foot notification by the city of Denton is sent

862
00:45:23,900 --> 00:45:26,829
certified mail that is above and beyond with the Texas

863
00:45:26,829 --> 00:45:29,000
local government code requires.

864
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:33,289
And it does have to be sent it 12 days, two days, the day

865
00:45:33,289 --> 00:45:37,119
before the day before 10 days before the meeting so

866
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:41,869
essentially 12 days before the meeting, and that it's, it's

867
00:45:41,869 --> 00:45:45,519
male to each owner as indicated by the most recently

868
00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:49,000
approved city tax roll that can create some confusion,

869
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:54,389
because houses are bought and sold all year long, and so,

870
00:45:54,389 --> 00:46:00,000
but this tax rolls are only certified once a year. So it.

871
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,860
There can be some lag time and that, you know, sometimes

872
00:46:02,860 --> 00:46:06,000
you don't always get the most current information on there.

873
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,000
Julie.

874
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,880
Is there a reason that the city doesn't use the central app

875
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,940
raisal district that seems to have more updated information

876
00:46:12,940 --> 00:46:17,000
about ownership. We do get that information once a year.

877
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,349
I believe it's our DDC that that talks about that it has to

878
00:46:20,349 --> 00:46:23,760
be the most recently approved city tax roll so, and we've

879
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,280
talked internally about having some sort of rolling where

880
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,000
we get that most up to date information, but under current

881
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,000
regulations,

882
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:39,840
it's got to be that that once a year shot at those at those

883
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,000
tax rolls, so.

884
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,380
We also go beyond but this may, I think this helps it a

885
00:46:45,380 --> 00:46:49,250
little bit because the city requires an additional mailing

886
00:46:49,250 --> 00:46:52,550
that goes to the property address so we send it to the

887
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:56,170
property owner, and then we also send it to the property

888
00:46:56,170 --> 00:46:58,000
address so if we don't capture them

889
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,519
within that property owner, we at least get them on the

890
00:47:01,519 --> 00:47:04,969
address and they get the postcard and I think we worked

891
00:47:04,969 --> 00:47:08,349
pretty closely with this group here about how to best

892
00:47:08,349 --> 00:47:12,000
notify property owners within the 500 feet.

893
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:16,719
And that does go both to the people within 200 and 500. Yes

894
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,789
, sir, that whole so that entire boundary Yes, sir. So, so

895
00:47:20,789 --> 00:47:25,119
if you're within 200 feet you're getting a certified letter

896
00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:28,000
and you're getting a postcard from us.

897
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:43,000
So we do residents. The postcard there was a lot of

898
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:43,000
discussion about what do people open, how can we make sure

899
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:43,000
that they see it. And it was the postcard we felt like was

900
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:43,000
the best, the best way because it's it provides the caption

901
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:43,000
.

902
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:47,199
It provides a map, and it's a quick snapshot that they can

903
00:47:47,199 --> 00:47:51,440
look at and know that it probably. They probably need to

904
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,000
pay attention to it.

905
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,760
We also require the applicants to put signs on the property

906
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,269
, so that as people pass by I know we've we've recently u

907
00:48:00,269 --> 00:48:04,030
pped the size of the signs because they were quite small and

908
00:48:04,030 --> 00:48:06,000
we're difficult to read.

909
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:18,199
So we've, we've, they've generated a lot of interest and

910
00:48:18,199 --> 00:48:23,769
that's a good thing. And then our website, the all upcoming

911
00:48:23,769 --> 00:48:24,789
public hearings are put on our website so those are four

912
00:48:24,789 --> 00:48:26,000
ways we try to try to alert the public to what's coming up.

913
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:30,219
So there's a protest component to this. And just to, we see

914
00:48:30,219 --> 00:48:33,690
this map a lot, and I don't know how often we explain it

915
00:48:33,690 --> 00:48:38,340
but just to go over it briefly. So, just this is a recent

916
00:48:38,340 --> 00:48:42,000
case this is the property in yellow.

917
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:46,300
The boundary there is in red and then there's the 500 foot

918
00:48:46,300 --> 00:48:49,969
boundary per the Texas local government code property

919
00:48:49,969 --> 00:48:53,989
owners within 200 feet of the subject site, have the

920
00:48:53,989 --> 00:48:58,000
ability to protest, the, the action or the request.

921
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,000
They have to provide the protest in writing.

922
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:09,820
And, and the only portion that counts is the part that is

923
00:49:09,820 --> 00:49:12,000
actually.

924
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:16,000
That 200 feet so.

925
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:23,719
If you're this property owner only this part here counts

926
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:30,780
toward that protest so it is, it is the the land area

927
00:49:30,780 --> 00:49:33,409
within that. If there is a protest that exceeds 20% of that

928
00:49:33,409 --> 00:49:33,880
land area, then it does require a supermajority at City

929
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:34,000
Council.

930
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:38,369
I would also say if this, if this group votes to deny or

931
00:49:38,369 --> 00:49:42,889
recommend denial of a request that would also trigger a

932
00:49:42,889 --> 00:49:48,000
supermajority at City Council, and that's six out of seven.

933
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:49,000
Any questions.

934
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:54,000
All right.

935
00:49:54,000 --> 00:50:05,230
I'm going to talk about maybe how that goes. Excuse me, up

936
00:50:05,230 --> 00:50:06,050
until the meeting. So it doesn't just stop it after the PNC

937
00:50:06,050 --> 00:50:06,840
hearing. That's a really good point those that goes up

938
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:07,710
until when City Council votes and we've, we've been sitting

939
00:50:07,710 --> 00:50:10,000
at City Council before with our calculators

940
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:15,570
so we've we've had some where they really got up to the

941
00:50:15,570 --> 00:50:21,619
wire, and then tie vote, I don't know if I could speak elo

942
00:50:21,619 --> 00:50:27,300
quently on tie vote I might ask legal or Scott to jump in

943
00:50:27,300 --> 00:50:29,000
here and

944
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,590
just one piece that's important when we talk about the

945
00:50:31,590 --> 00:50:34,320
supermajority Scott McDonald director of development

946
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,039
services that we're going to be bringing forward a piece

947
00:50:37,039 --> 00:50:39,920
that's going to address the tie vote provision that it will

948
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,000
still continue to be a denial as this

949
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,639
report is recognized to the past we've had a tie vote that

950
00:50:46,639 --> 00:50:50,630
ultimately was just going to continue perpetually unless we

951
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:54,119
address this. So Council had been provided with the

952
00:50:54,119 --> 00:50:58,179
presentation, addressing the issue how they want to address

953
00:50:58,179 --> 00:51:01,000
it with a variety of boards or just

954
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,599
specifically with PNC. Their recommendation was to bring

955
00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:07,949
forward that we would address it with PNC only we are going

956
00:51:07,949 --> 00:51:11,389
to provide a text amendment, which is going to address the

957
00:51:11,389 --> 00:51:14,000
fact that if there is in fact a tie vote.

958
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:18,079
That tie vote would be a denial, and it would go forward to

959
00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:19,000
counsel.

960
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,000
And then it would just be a regular majority with counsel.

961
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:28,000
So, just kind of cool questions, Christopher Smith.

962
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,000
Thank you, Chair.

963
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,449
Did we model that ordinance or that text amendment on other

964
00:51:34,449 --> 00:51:37,699
cities who have that already put in place or where did we

965
00:51:37,699 --> 00:51:41,079
decide, not that I disagree with the deciding to make it a

966
00:51:41,079 --> 00:51:44,329
denial just that that is finite to the applicant that if

967
00:51:44,329 --> 00:51:48,000
there's a tie perpetual tie.

968
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,199
Is, is it only in the case where there's a perpetual tie or

969
00:51:51,199 --> 00:51:54,659
is it, you know, Andrew's missing that one meeting, or type

970
00:51:54,659 --> 00:51:57,849
boom it's a denial whereas if we wait two weeks, Andrew's

971
00:51:57,849 --> 00:52:02,329
back, we could have a final decision, and perhaps we should

972
00:52:02,329 --> 00:52:04,000
leave this not not to steal any of your

973
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,230
time away from what we're doing here today I just wanted to

974
00:52:07,230 --> 00:52:10,139
mention that that will be coming before you as a work

975
00:52:10,139 --> 00:52:13,070
session, or as it as an item that has to go through the

976
00:52:13,070 --> 00:52:16,000
process just like any other text amendment.

977
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,539
I just wanted to reference that as we talk about simple

978
00:52:18,539 --> 00:52:21,320
majority that make sure that you're aware of where we're at

979
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,679
this happened on September 11, September 11 meeting we just

980
00:52:24,679 --> 00:52:27,380
haven't had an opportunity to discuss that I think we have

981
00:52:27,380 --> 00:52:32,150
October 24 slated that that I don't will be come before you

982
00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:34,000
with a presentation.

983
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:38,000
We'll grow you on them. Perfect.

984
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:43,199
We're back. Thank you chair and to tag on to that, I guess.

985
00:52:43,199 --> 00:52:48,000
So if we do have a tie here, you're saying it can go on.

986
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:53,000
Or let me, let me put this way, the applicant. Do they have

987
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:57,800
the choice to not take it to city council at that time, and

988
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:02,710
in anticipation of having a full PNC coming back later, or

989
00:53:02,710 --> 00:53:06,000
do they have to go forward at that point.

990
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,849
I think I'll defer to our legal counsel but I would make

991
00:53:09,849 --> 00:53:13,969
the assumption that they ultimately could withdraw that

992
00:53:13,969 --> 00:53:17,239
item, but I don't know. I think that's one that we probably

993
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,000
just have to research and bring back to you.

994
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,480
I think we'll have to work out the details on that. But one

995
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:26,059
of the interesting things also is, once it gets up to the

996
00:53:26,059 --> 00:53:29,760
city council that six out of seven or whatever the superma

997
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,000
jority is if one of them is out.

998
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:38,969
That doesn't matter. It's, it's, you have to have the super

999
00:53:38,969 --> 00:53:43,289
majority of the, the council members who are eligible to

1000
00:53:43,289 --> 00:53:44,000
vote.

1001
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:51,000
So unless they're disqualified, you use the same percentage

1002
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:51,000
.

1003
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,059
Just for clarification, you mentioned, I just want to make

1004
00:53:54,059 --> 00:53:57,000
sure I heard you right. If there's potentially a tie that

1005
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,880
goes to council it's just a regular majority as opposed to

1006
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:02,000
an outright denial at the commission.

1007
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,820
So, those denials kind of represent different voting at the

1008
00:54:05,820 --> 00:54:08,000
council level. Did I hear that right.

1009
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,150
It will leave as a denial, but it will go, it will go to

1010
00:54:11,150 --> 00:54:14,590
council and the staff recommendation will be the same or it

1011
00:54:14,590 --> 00:54:17,889
'll be clear that it's, that was a tie vote reason for the

1012
00:54:17,889 --> 00:54:21,179
denial because in, I think it's in the local government

1013
00:54:21,179 --> 00:54:23,000
code that states as a denial the tie.

1014
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,420
So, but rather than getting in too much of the detail just

1015
00:54:26,420 --> 00:54:29,789
wanted to bring that back to light so that we weren't just

1016
00:54:29,789 --> 00:54:34,000
so it was clear. Yeah, appreciate that.

1017
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:38,000
Thank you.

1018
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,000
All right.

1019
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:44,090
So we've talked about the land development process about

1020
00:54:44,090 --> 00:54:47,989
the zoning and then the plotting comes zoning first and

1021
00:54:47,989 --> 00:54:50,000
plotting and site plan.

1022
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,920
So, we won't, we'll kind of skip over this slide and just

1023
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,940
talk about what projects we've had in the last few years.

1024
00:54:57,940 --> 00:55:02,050
Richard made this presentation at City Council I'm going to

1025
00:55:02,050 --> 00:55:06,059
try to at least slightly describe it or I don't he might

1026
00:55:06,059 --> 00:55:08,000
want to jump in and

1027
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,000
you want to give me.

1028
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:10,000
I can go ahead.

1029
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,000
All right.

1030
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,829
So, so this really lays out the types of projects that we

1031
00:55:14,829 --> 00:55:17,570
've seen and the numbers of scene that we've seen in the

1032
00:55:17,570 --> 00:55:20,489
last few years so as you're probably where it didn't pretty

1033
00:55:20,489 --> 00:55:24,000
busy and didn't growing so like for instance in 2016.

1034
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,000
We had 206 plats.

1035
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:31,000
This year we were up to 159 so far.

1036
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,000
This year.

1037
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:38,440
For zoning cases. We've had 35 this year so far, those may

1038
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:43,059
not have all come to you yet but applications that we've

1039
00:55:43,059 --> 00:55:49,360
had 2016 was 57. And then last year was 43 of the zoning

1040
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,340
cases so you know you can see that we have a lot of

1041
00:55:52,340 --> 00:55:54,000
projects coming through the city,

1042
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,449
Christian back. I'm sorry I'm confused. Did you say you had

1043
00:55:57,449 --> 00:56:01,000
to hunt the blue. You said those are plants. Yes, sir.

1044
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:05,679
The indication is that there are alternate development plan

1045
00:56:05,679 --> 00:56:10,000
. Oh, there's little time, the blues.

1046
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:19,000
Yeah, the ADP is the is the very orange.

1047
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,300
So we have a lot we see a lot of variety come through not

1048
00:56:22,300 --> 00:56:26,000
only the city of Denton but that come before you as well.

1049
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,440
And then as part of our process we've we've tried to look

1050
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:33,099
at how, how long projects are taking to go through the city

1051
00:56:33,099 --> 00:56:36,539
, and then how we can improve on that we want to make sure

1052
00:56:36,539 --> 00:56:40,289
that we're moving things forward appropriately and that we

1053
00:56:40,289 --> 00:56:42,000
're not creating delays.

1054
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:47,969
So, for instance, pre development meetings in 2016 they

1055
00:56:47,969 --> 00:56:53,300
were taking an average of 30 days for someone to get in and

1056
00:56:53,300 --> 00:56:56,000
meet with staff for an hour. This year so far it's it's

1057
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:56,000
about 10 days.

1058
00:56:56,000 --> 00:57:00,000
So from when they they call us and say I have a dream.

1059
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:15,000
And they can sit down with staff and and talk about it.

1060
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:15,000
Complete this review that's part of all of the applicant

1061
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:15,000
when we receive an application the first thing staff does

1062
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:15,000
is make sure all the parts are there that we need to review

1063
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:15,000
it and so that can, and then

1064
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:18,860
send it out to all the necessary reviewers in 2016 that

1065
00:57:18,860 --> 00:57:23,139
process took 17 days in 2018 we're down to two. So, our

1066
00:57:23,139 --> 00:57:26,639
leadership has made a lot of process improvements and and

1067
00:57:26,639 --> 00:57:30,130
and in order to get things moving through the process more

1068
00:57:30,130 --> 00:57:32,000
quickly, Julie

1069
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:36,000
what what happened in September 17.

1070
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,000
Oh, Richard.

1071
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:44,000
There was a change in leadership.

1072
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:50,000
And then this is the average days to approval.

1073
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:55,869
The blue is is 2016 the orange is 2017 and then the yellow

1074
00:57:55,869 --> 00:58:00,780
is, is this year so rezoning cases are about 76 days, and

1075
00:58:00,780 --> 00:58:05,210
you think about what goes into a rezoning they apply then

1076
00:58:05,210 --> 00:58:09,000
staff has to review it make sure we've got all the

1077
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,000
necessary the legal description

1078
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,480
the correct project narrative, and then we've got to send

1079
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:18,050
out the public notification staff report staff analysis it

1080
00:58:18,050 --> 00:58:21,139
's got to go to PNC, and then about a month after PNC it

1081
00:58:21,139 --> 00:58:24,809
goes to counsel so that's that's in about 76 days this year

1082
00:58:24,809 --> 00:58:27,000
, SUP is down to 42 days.

1083
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:31,800
ADP is about 51 days site plans are about 74 days there's a

1084
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:35,820
lot that goes into reviewing a site plan and you know not

1085
00:58:35,820 --> 00:58:40,039
only the planning part but also there's some engineering

1086
00:58:40,039 --> 00:58:42,000
fire looks at those.

1087
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:47,000
So, our water administration group preliminary plots are

1088
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:52,099
about 85 and then final class so you can see that our, our

1089
00:58:52,099 --> 00:58:56,000
review times are trending in a good direction.

1090
00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:00,500
And then application types we compared some cities around

1091
00:59:00,500 --> 00:59:04,460
us. So Denton's in the yellow and then and then the other

1092
00:59:04,460 --> 00:59:07,000
communities are in other colors.

1093
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,860
So you can see how we stack up to to the surrounding

1094
00:59:10,860 --> 00:59:15,559
develop or the surrounding communities rezoning Denton's

1095
00:59:15,559 --> 00:59:20,090
about about average with what what the other communities

1096
00:59:20,090 --> 00:59:24,860
are doing preliminary plots were a little, little, little

1097
00:59:24,860 --> 00:59:26,000
higher than.

1098
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,670
Are these the numbers. These are on per month. Okay, sorry,

1099
00:59:29,670 --> 00:59:32,320
the numbers per month see there's where I failed. So,

1100
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:35,000
Richard, you want to chime in here.

1101
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:39,639
So, applications per month. These, these were the, the, the

1102
00:59:39,639 --> 00:59:43,250
length of review in months. So, okay, so what we did is we

1103
00:59:43,250 --> 00:59:45,650
converted because some gave us numbers on business days

1104
00:59:45,650 --> 00:59:47,000
some gave on calendar days.

1105
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:51,199
And so what we did is we just looked at it as on a monthly

1106
00:59:51,199 --> 00:59:54,000
basis as, as opposed to trying to.

1107
00:59:54,000 --> 01:00:07,099
Mr. Smith. Thank you, chair. What makes why why is you know

1108
01:00:07,099 --> 01:00:08,309
if you look at some of those cities up there pretty all low

1109
01:00:08,309 --> 01:00:09,539
like Louisville, why is it that that Louisville can keep

1110
01:00:09,539 --> 01:00:11,010
their length of time shorter than hours, or, you know,

1111
01:00:11,010 --> 01:00:15,000
another, another city what is it that makes a city faster

1112
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,980
more efficient with their processing time than it is

1113
01:00:17,980 --> 01:00:19,000
another city.

1114
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:22,380
What what goes into that second chance how the sausage is

1115
01:00:22,380 --> 01:00:25,650
made a little bit. I think a lot of that has to do with,

1116
01:00:25,650 --> 01:00:28,000
with just how the code is drafted.

1117
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:32,090
Also on number of number of staff. One thing I want to

1118
01:00:32,090 --> 01:00:35,329
point out, because I think it's, it's, it's really

1119
01:00:35,329 --> 01:00:38,840
something that you know you saw those changes within that

1120
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:42,179
that I guess the last quarter of last calendar year, we

1121
01:00:42,179 --> 01:00:45,000
only had two people doing the review so as we

1122
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:48,159
kept that ship around. I mean it really was just Haley and

1123
01:00:48,159 --> 01:00:51,289
Julie that were handling all of those reviews I think they

1124
01:00:51,289 --> 01:00:54,000
were at one point had like 70 cases each.

1125
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:58,619
So, it's a lot. It was a lot for those to handle so it's

1126
01:00:58,619 --> 01:01:02,550
sort of a combination of both I think really when it gets

1127
01:01:02,550 --> 01:01:06,530
down to when you start looking at at at platting that that

1128
01:01:06,530 --> 01:01:09,000
's probably the substantial.

1129
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:13,789
I would say reason is just processes and how the code has

1130
01:01:13,789 --> 01:01:16,000
been updated.

1131
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,199
And I think I would add to that with our, our rewrite of

1132
01:01:19,199 --> 01:01:22,699
our development code. I think with the, with the better

1133
01:01:22,699 --> 01:01:26,289
organization of the code it will, it will further continue

1134
01:01:26,289 --> 01:01:29,659
these improvements on being able to find where the reg,

1135
01:01:29,659 --> 01:01:34,000
what regulations apply and when

1136
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:39,380
you're looking at the number of reviews. The goal is to

1137
01:01:39,380 --> 01:01:41,630
kind of keep something at two reviews. That is the, that's

1138
01:01:41,630 --> 01:01:47,000
that red line, or that's, that's what we're at right now.

1139
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:48,000
Correct.

1140
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,000
All right. Okay.

1141
01:01:50,000 --> 01:02:01,559
So those just the average number of reviews and the type of

1142
01:02:01,559 --> 01:02:05,000
application. So you see site plan ADP from that preliminary

1143
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:05,000
plat and final plat. We were at least at the average number

1144
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:05,000
of reviews for 16 and 17 or three.

1145
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:08,230
Right now we're at about two average of two reviews. One

1146
01:02:08,230 --> 01:02:10,000
thing that's important.

1147
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:14,050
We'll get to the slides next is after the second review

1148
01:02:14,050 --> 01:02:18,280
there's a third review fee that comes in. So there is an

1149
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:22,690
additional cost that gets passed off to the applicants who

1150
01:02:22,690 --> 01:02:27,000
are trying to keep that within within the two reviews.

1151
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:31,010
All right. So here's the number of reviews by year. And

1152
01:02:31,010 --> 01:02:34,789
that when you do go into that third review it can get kind

1153
01:02:34,789 --> 01:02:38,820
of expensive, especially when you've got an engineering

1154
01:02:38,820 --> 01:02:43,000
review fee. So, and the colors are just not.

1155
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:51,000
So, for instance, in 20 sorry, in 2018.

1156
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,619
And this is representative of projects that had greater

1157
01:02:54,619 --> 01:02:58,809
than greater than three reviews. So we'll see where that we

1158
01:02:58,809 --> 01:03:03,639
're trending down that in 2016. We had 63 projects that had

1159
01:03:03,639 --> 01:03:05,000
three or more reviews.

1160
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:09,030
And last year, it went down to 52 and now we're down to 34

1161
01:03:09,030 --> 01:03:12,710
so we're really trying to streamline that make sure we give

1162
01:03:12,710 --> 01:03:16,369
them really good feedback up front, make sure that we help

1163
01:03:16,369 --> 01:03:20,170
help them through that process, and that, and that we can,

1164
01:03:20,170 --> 01:03:31,000
we can make sure that we're not creating process delays.

1165
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:39,000
So, you've gone through the hard part of the boot camp so.

1166
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:44,000
Why do I keep sorry.

1167
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:45,000
All right.

1168
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:49,070
So we'd like to keep this going, we'd like to continue the

1169
01:03:49,070 --> 01:03:53,300
conversation with you about topics and planning, and what

1170
01:03:53,300 --> 01:03:57,110
what you do here on Wednesday nights what what staff is

1171
01:03:57,110 --> 01:04:01,159
doing, and then the types of the types of analysis that we

1172
01:04:01,159 --> 01:04:04,000
're doing within the city so really,

1173
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:07,059
suggesting some upcoming sessions first of all, talk about

1174
01:04:07,059 --> 01:04:10,059
the comprehensive plan it's been several years since it was

1175
01:04:10,059 --> 01:04:13,000
adopted to really have an in depth conversation about what

1176
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,760
all the parts are the comprehensive plan what we look at

1177
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:19,000
what the vision is and the goals of that comprehensive plan

1178
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:22,539
what did I do, can you put in a presentation mode just so

1179
01:04:22,539 --> 01:04:24,000
the TV picks it up.

1180
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:38,739
I can. Thanks. There you go. Next, talk about zoning really

1181
01:04:38,739 --> 01:04:39,949
dive into what we look at in a zoning and an SUV and a plan

1182
01:04:39,949 --> 01:04:41,329
development amendment and, and what what compatibility

1183
01:04:41,329 --> 01:04:42,619
means what the, you know what a rational nexus means for

1184
01:04:42,619 --> 01:04:44,000
for conditions.

1185
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,880
All of those elements associated with those types of

1186
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:50,070
projects fundamentals of subdivision, when you look at a

1187
01:04:50,070 --> 01:04:53,179
plat what are you actually looking at what are the parts of

1188
01:04:53,179 --> 01:04:57,000
the plat. What does a plat do how does it help the city.

1189
01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:00,000
grow and develop in an organized way.

1190
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,000
What urban design principles.

1191
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:05,559
We look at what urban design principles are within the code

1192
01:05:05,559 --> 01:05:09,280
and what are good urban design principles mobility. It's

1193
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:13,000
not just for cars anymore. We have a bike peg coordinator.

1194
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:16,789
We've got transit oriented development within the city of

1195
01:05:16,789 --> 01:05:20,429
Denton we have, we have rail so what does the mobility in

1196
01:05:20,429 --> 01:05:23,949
the city look like what what mobility options do we have

1197
01:05:23,949 --> 01:05:28,000
for our citizens, and how do those play into the decisions

1198
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:29,000
that are made here.

1199
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:33,440
Some creative zoning interventions that other communities

1200
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:37,269
have done things like form based code incentive code

1201
01:05:37,269 --> 01:05:41,699
conservation and performance, and then topics in urbanism

1202
01:05:41,699 --> 01:05:46,000
things like tactical urbanism or kid friendly cities.

1203
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:49,980
The benefits of street trees so all of those so like to

1204
01:05:49,980 --> 01:05:54,429
keep this conversation going do some really fun topics and

1205
01:05:54,429 --> 01:05:58,679
talk about how these topics play into the to the projects

1206
01:05:58,679 --> 01:06:02,000
that we have so be coming forward soon.

1207
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:07,079
And then, finally, if you have any questions and then I've

1208
01:06:07,079 --> 01:06:09,960
just suggested some further reading we have American

1209
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:12,000
Planning Association Texas APA.

1210
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:15,880
If you've never gone to the north central Texas Council of

1211
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:19,480
governments website, you should go it's got a ton of

1212
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:23,519
information on their Texas local government code it's kind

1213
01:06:23,519 --> 01:06:27,429
of the standard by which we, we, we conduct ourselves and

1214
01:06:27,429 --> 01:06:30,000
that that our code flows from some

1215
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:33,480
websites I don't know if you've ever looked at planet is in

1216
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,809
but it's got some really cool topics in planning strong

1217
01:06:36,809 --> 01:06:39,000
towns and city lab or other one.

1218
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:42,110
And streets blog is another website street mix I don't know

1219
01:06:42,110 --> 01:06:45,019
if you've ever been on street mix but you can create your

1220
01:06:45,019 --> 01:06:48,010
own street street section which is really fun you can put

1221
01:06:48,010 --> 01:06:51,230
put your bike lanes in there and your, your parking and

1222
01:06:51,230 --> 01:06:54,000
your travel lane so that's sidewalks.

1223
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:57,230
And then some other places you may want to look just some,

1224
01:06:57,230 --> 01:07:00,650
some planning interventions that have happened within our

1225
01:07:00,650 --> 01:07:03,929
community recently near south side incorporated you may

1226
01:07:03,929 --> 01:07:06,000
want to look at their website.

1227
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,980
They just want an award from APA for one of the great

1228
01:07:08,980 --> 01:07:12,349
places in the in America, that Magnolia Street, I don't

1229
01:07:12,349 --> 01:07:15,800
know if you've ever been down there in Fort Worth, but it's

1230
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:17,000
pretty cool.

1231
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,340
And then also the Trinity River vision authority in Fort

1232
01:07:20,340 --> 01:07:23,929
Worth that was the plan they started making 20 years ago

1233
01:07:23,929 --> 01:07:27,280
that's now starting to come to fruition so it kind of helps

1234
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:30,769
you see how the plans and those comprehensive plans really

1235
01:07:30,769 --> 01:07:34,000
eventually do end up to be a place you can visit so that's

1236
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:39,000
all I have unless you have any questions.

1237
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,769
Commissioner Beck. I just want to do a big head tip to the

1238
01:07:41,769 --> 01:07:44,659
staff are doing an excellent job of Lauren these numbers

1239
01:07:44,659 --> 01:07:47,610
and these reviews and those developers appreciate it but

1240
01:07:47,610 --> 01:07:50,840
time wise I think you've done a great job of election you

1241
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:54,000
so keep it up.

1242
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:57,000
Thanks. Thank you very much, Julie.

1243
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:01,960
So at 544 we're going to take a break for some food and

1244
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:05,000
then we'll return at 555.

1245
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:26,000
We'll return at 555 for presentation on trees.

1246
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,909
Thank you and welcome back to the plan and zoning

1247
01:08:28,909 --> 01:08:31,000
Commission, it is 554.

1248
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:35,180
And I will turn it over to Richard presentation on the tree

1249
01:08:35,180 --> 01:08:38,000
preservation and landscape code.

1250
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,439
Good evening, I just wanted to provide sort of another

1251
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:43,659
update. As far as where we are with the tree code update

1252
01:08:43,659 --> 01:08:47,000
just kind of giving the running the running timeline.

1253
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:50,449
As you remember we were here about a month ago, and went

1254
01:08:50,449 --> 01:08:54,350
went over some of the, some of the proposed concepts. We're

1255
01:08:54,350 --> 01:08:57,659
still continuing to to refine those, we met with the

1256
01:08:57,659 --> 01:09:01,000
committee on the environment on the 17th.

1257
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:04,670
And we have some additional additional homework to do that

1258
01:09:04,670 --> 01:09:08,239
I'll get into, but at least wanted to provide kind of that

1259
01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:11,369
that running running update as well as get get some

1260
01:09:11,369 --> 01:09:15,000
guidance and input early on from from the commission.

1261
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:18,369
So now we were looking at going back to committee on the

1262
01:09:18,369 --> 01:09:21,000
environment on the fifth of November.

1263
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:24,920
And then shortly thereafter, bringing it back, perhaps, you

1264
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:28,430
know work session but maybe it might, depending where we

1265
01:09:28,430 --> 01:09:31,850
are at that point, it might warrant also having it as part

1266
01:09:31,850 --> 01:09:35,180
of a discussion with the regular PNC meeting to get some

1267
01:09:35,180 --> 01:09:40,000
initial input from from from residents and stakeholders.

1268
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,750
And so some of the discussion items again this this is some

1269
01:09:42,750 --> 01:09:45,390
of the stuff you might have not have seen it already from

1270
01:09:45,390 --> 01:09:48,029
from the last presentation but just kind of wanted to go

1271
01:09:48,029 --> 01:09:50,770
over some of the discussion items that we had at the last,

1272
01:09:50,770 --> 01:09:52,000
at least at the last meeting.

1273
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:56,399
Applicability canopy goal again tree tree classifications,

1274
01:09:56,399 --> 01:10:00,300
and then really the revisions to the draft from this last

1275
01:10:00,300 --> 01:10:04,279
draft that we had, and it was focusing really on limiting

1276
01:10:04,279 --> 01:10:08,609
limiting clear cutting, but allowing for some mitigation,

1277
01:10:08,609 --> 01:10:11,000
and then guiding the priorities to to preserving larger

1278
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,000
trees tree stands and habitat.

1279
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:16,479
And so we kind of took a step back also in preparing this

1280
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:19,930
and and kind of talked about let's let's think of these

1281
01:10:19,930 --> 01:10:23,470
concepts in terms of being pragmatic and and and how how

1282
01:10:23,470 --> 01:10:26,000
how can we actually enforce them.

1283
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,170
But also being practical and can they can they be

1284
01:10:28,170 --> 01:10:31,390
implemented. And so let's let's have some common sense as

1285
01:10:31,390 --> 01:10:34,310
we as you bring these forward but again guiding those

1286
01:10:34,310 --> 01:10:38,000
priorities to towards larger trees tree stands and habitat.

1287
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:41,979
And then really looking at preservation restoration repl

1288
01:10:41,979 --> 01:10:44,000
anting or payment in lieu.

1289
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:47,640
And so I still get asked a lot of you know is the current

1290
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:51,600
code that bad or or or things that we just haven't followed

1291
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:54,760
. And like most things I would say it's a little bit of both

1292
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:55,000
.

1293
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:58,130
So these are at least my my highlights of some of the

1294
01:10:58,130 --> 01:11:01,340
negatives with with the current code inconsistent

1295
01:11:01,340 --> 01:11:05,369
conflicting language. Oftentimes there's confusing or text

1296
01:11:05,369 --> 01:11:09,020
is buried in sections where you don't necessarily think it

1297
01:11:09,020 --> 01:11:10,000
should be.

1298
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:13,760
There's a lot of just insufficient to really support our

1299
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:17,199
overall goals of if we really do want to increase the

1300
01:11:17,199 --> 01:11:18,000
canopy.

1301
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:21,380
There are components that are hard to enforce. There have

1302
01:11:21,380 --> 01:11:25,050
been components that haven't been implemented as a result.

1303
01:11:25,050 --> 01:11:27,000
There's not much in terms of mitigation.

1304
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:31,579
And where it really gets confusing is you have the choice

1305
01:11:31,579 --> 01:11:35,840
of doing it by DB or canopy. And sometimes it's it's more

1306
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:39,569
beneficial to do canopy because it actually ends up being

1307
01:11:39,569 --> 01:11:43,250
less DB which would actually require a greater greater

1308
01:11:43,250 --> 01:11:46,000
canopy and I'll show some of the some of those examples.

1309
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:49,880
Positive of course it was well intentioned. It does require

1310
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:53,189
that that a notation on the plat be there identifying where

1311
01:11:53,189 --> 01:11:55,000
those preserved trees are.

1312
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:58,329
I mean actually the code actually requires a bond for

1313
01:11:58,329 --> 01:12:01,829
replacement trees and the city's required to hold on to

1314
01:12:01,829 --> 01:12:05,390
that bond for three years and after that after that three

1315
01:12:05,390 --> 01:12:07,000
years.

1316
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:10,859
If 90 percent of those replacement trees are in healthy or

1317
01:12:10,859 --> 01:12:14,670
good condition and that bond is returned. If not, then that

1318
01:12:14,670 --> 01:12:18,359
those that bond is there to to pay for those trees. This is

1319
01:12:18,359 --> 01:12:21,000
something I don't believe we have have been doing.

1320
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:23,539
But again these are just requirements that we haven't done

1321
01:12:23,539 --> 01:12:26,680
there. There is the ability to do a tree trust. Again I don

1322
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:30,000
't think that's ever been ever been implemented.

1323
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:36,140
And this is one that I literally found about three weeks

1324
01:12:36,140 --> 01:12:38,680
ago. The code does provide for administrative parking

1325
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:40,000
reductions for tree preservation.

1326
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:43,229
It doesn't dictate where it has to be. It just gives you a

1327
01:12:43,229 --> 01:12:44,000
credit.

1328
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:48,090
One space for 12 inches of DBH and it allows really for an

1329
01:12:48,090 --> 01:12:51,000
automatic 15 percent reduction.

1330
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,859
And then with the approval of the director up to 30 percent

1331
01:12:53,859 --> 01:12:56,569
reduction in parking. And so that that was something that

1332
01:12:56,569 --> 01:12:59,130
was buried underneath the table that that it just kind of

1333
01:12:59,130 --> 01:13:00,000
caught my eye.

1334
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:03,689
And again just kind of that organization of it. If you're

1335
01:13:03,689 --> 01:13:07,430
not really searching hard you can just kind of over

1336
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:10,000
overlook some of these things.

1337
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:12,460
And so again looking at at the applicability I know we had

1338
01:13:12,460 --> 01:13:15,000
a discussion on this last time and what you see in red.

1339
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:19,229
These are changes as a result of the last discussion with

1340
01:13:19,229 --> 01:13:20,000
with C.O.E.

1341
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:23,399
One thing that we did include into the applicability

1342
01:13:23,399 --> 01:13:27,050
section rather than I think it was part of the permitting

1343
01:13:27,050 --> 01:13:31,000
section is the exemption for single family and duplex lots

1344
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:33,000
with trees under 10 inches of DBH.

1345
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,630
And again this was this was something that's in the local

1346
01:13:35,630 --> 01:13:38,000
government code as a result of that that bill.

1347
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:41,439
And so for me as we continue to go through it it just made

1348
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:45,109
more sense of rather than having it buried in in the permit

1349
01:13:45,109 --> 01:13:46,000
section.

1350
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,390
Let's just put it right off at the beginning for applic

1351
01:13:48,390 --> 01:13:49,000
ability.

1352
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:52,449
Commissioner back. Thank you chair. I still have a problem

1353
01:13:52,449 --> 01:13:55,000
with exempting completely the me.

1354
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:58,300
I think there's time and I understand they need to have

1355
01:13:58,300 --> 01:14:01,260
that room but it seems like we need to look at it as they

1356
01:14:01,260 --> 01:14:02,000
move along.

1357
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:04,560
And if they run into a big tree or something like that that

1358
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:06,000
somehow we can work around.

1359
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,539
I think we ought to you know set something aside for that

1360
01:14:08,539 --> 01:14:11,159
too instead of just giving them carte blanche and they're

1361
01:14:11,159 --> 01:14:12,000
not anymore.

1362
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:16,840
So the directive was that's why I had it in red and with

1363
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:19,760
the strike through. So we did we also did strike DME from

1364
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:20,000
from.

1365
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:23,420
Okay. From the exempt list capital improvement projects and

1366
01:14:23,420 --> 01:14:26,310
you saw the way to sell these two. So right now it would

1367
01:14:26,310 --> 01:14:29,000
just be the agricultural operations.

1368
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:33,000
City Airport, and then the single family and duplex.

1369
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:36,000
Thanks.

1370
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:44,319
Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. So from the current draft that

1371
01:14:44,319 --> 01:14:44,689
's in our backup. These are changes from the result of that

1372
01:14:44,689 --> 01:14:45,000
last correct.

1373
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:51,000
They're good changes. Thank you.

1374
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:54,079
And we, you know, we still have quite a quite of a lengthy

1375
01:14:54,079 --> 01:14:57,000
discussion on on tree canopy goal and the 30%.

1376
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:00,960
I think you saw this. You saw the slide last time I think

1377
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:05,000
when I had presented looking at 2014 to where we are now.

1378
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:08,010
We did do some some additional analysis and I thought I

1379
01:15:08,010 --> 01:15:10,000
thought this was interesting.

1380
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:13,789
We looked at when we first prepared this map. We then annex

1381
01:15:13,789 --> 01:15:17,550
ed as a result we annexed the Creekside development the 47

1382
01:15:17,550 --> 01:15:18,000
acres.

1383
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:21,800
And just wanted to see how that how that 47 acres, because

1384
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:24,970
there was a substantial amount of those trees being

1385
01:15:24,970 --> 01:15:26,000
preserved.

1386
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:29,500
And interestingly enough, it actually it reduced the

1387
01:15:29,500 --> 01:15:33,289
overall canopy not by a lot. But again, it went from point

1388
01:15:33,289 --> 01:15:36,920
nine seven twenty seven point nine seven to twenty seven

1389
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:38,000
point nine six.

1390
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:41,079
And so, again, as we continue to annex properties that that

1391
01:15:41,079 --> 01:15:44,000
number that number starts to starts to go down again.

1392
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:47,479
This was a property that I think was preserving 80 80% of

1393
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:50,000
the canopy from that, if I'm not mistaken.

1394
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:53,510
So, again, that will slightly go down. But this was just

1395
01:15:53,510 --> 01:15:56,659
purely based on on what we what we annexed and what's on

1396
01:15:56,659 --> 01:15:58,000
the ground today.

1397
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:01,189
Again, so we then we looked at can interrupt real fast. Can

1398
01:16:01,189 --> 01:16:03,000
you help me with the math there?

1399
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:07,319
The 47 acres have 80% coverage. How could that lower the

1400
01:16:07,319 --> 01:16:10,680
city percent wouldn't that that 47 acres would have to be

1401
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:12,000
lower than 27.

1402
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:14,729
I'm sorry. Wasn't 80% of the of the can was 80% of the

1403
01:16:14,729 --> 01:16:18,000
trees on the property. Gotcha. OK. Thanks.

1404
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:24,000
Yep. And then we looked at what's in the E.T.J.

1405
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:27,090
So so within the division one of possible annexations in

1406
01:16:27,090 --> 01:16:31,210
the near future and how much of that area has a tree canopy

1407
01:16:31,210 --> 01:16:33,000
tree canopy coverage.

1408
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:35,979
And it's approximately twenty seven twenty eight twenty

1409
01:16:35,979 --> 01:16:38,000
percent twenty seven point six two.

1410
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:40,340
Then we looked again at city proper and then including that

1411
01:16:40,340 --> 01:16:45,050
E.T.J. division one boundary just seeing again this is just

1412
01:16:45,050 --> 01:16:47,000
purely kind of holding the line.

1413
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:49,640
And what that does for overall numbers and it does bring it

1414
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:50,000
up.

1415
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:54,600
But again, at that twenty eight point just over twenty

1416
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:57,000
eight twenty eight percent.

1417
01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:00,840
And then we went we went further and looked at platted

1418
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:06,359
versus unplatted lots with with within the area and how

1419
01:17:06,359 --> 01:17:10,850
much of that has canopy and and or what's the percentage of

1420
01:17:10,850 --> 01:17:12,000
the canopy.

1421
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:16,329
Interestingly, the platted lots have have a greater percent

1422
01:17:16,329 --> 01:17:18,000
of canopy coverage.

1423
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:20,829
I think part of that is a result of our landscape

1424
01:17:20,829 --> 01:17:22,000
requirements.

1425
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:24,319
And so you'll start to see that that difference versus unpl

1426
01:17:24,319 --> 01:17:25,000
atted lots.

1427
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:28,260
Twenty eight twenty eight roughly twenty eight and a half

1428
01:17:28,260 --> 01:17:29,000
percent.

1429
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:31,579
Then we did look at at just our own city on properties that

1430
01:17:31,579 --> 01:17:33,000
are that are undeveloped.

1431
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:36,000
And what do we have as far as tree canopy on our on our own

1432
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:37,000
properties.

1433
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:40,880
And currently we're almost at forty five percent forty four

1434
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:42,000
point eight.

1435
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:45,449
And so as we discussed this, we kind of went through the

1436
01:17:45,449 --> 01:17:48,829
analysis of where kind of where we came up with a 30

1437
01:17:48,829 --> 01:17:52,649
percent and looking at U.S. Forest Services, particularly

1438
01:17:52,649 --> 01:17:55,000
for the Eastern Cross Timbers and Grand Prairie.

1439
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:59,000
And since it kind of splits, I say we got very scientific.

1440
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:01,859
And when we came up with the thirty and really to split the

1441
01:18:01,859 --> 01:18:04,000
difference between twenty and forty.

1442
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:09,000
That that brought up a an interesting conversation at COE.

1443
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:13,000
And they talked about having a really having a split.

1444
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:19,000
Interestingly, when I met with Texas A&M Extension Service,

1445
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,340
one of the comments that they gave to me is, have you has

1446
01:18:21,340 --> 01:18:24,000
has the city looked, although it's not so like tree

1447
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:26,000
preservation, but actually preserving some of the prairie

1448
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,000
area out west.

1449
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:32,140
And that was that was a the same sentiment that that COE

1450
01:18:32,140 --> 01:18:33,000
shared.

1451
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:37,310
And so what we looked at is what we're looking at right now

1452
01:18:37,310 --> 01:18:42,359
is essentially having I-35W and I-35 North as kind of that

1453
01:18:42,359 --> 01:18:46,680
dividing line with a canopy on the east side at 40 percent

1454
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:49,000
and prairie twenty percent.

1455
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:54,020
I know there was also a concern with with some of the

1456
01:18:54,020 --> 01:18:59,649
species that are growing kind of in the prairie area that

1457
01:18:59,649 --> 01:19:04,000
that really aren't beneficial for for that.

1458
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:06,000
Chris Rebecca.

1459
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:07,000
Thank you, Chair.

1460
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:08,000
Elaborate on that.

1461
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:11,000
What do you mean by not beneficial?

1462
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:13,000
Because are we talking about the way they look?

1463
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:16,130
Mesquite cottonwood, some of the trees that that really

1464
01:19:16,130 --> 01:19:17,000
aren't aren't.

1465
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,000
Okay.

1466
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:22,390
And I, again, I don't have a problem when you're talking

1467
01:19:22,390 --> 01:19:25,529
about trees that are going to be detrimental to other

1468
01:19:25,529 --> 01:19:28,909
landscape areas, but are all mesquite trees and the hack

1469
01:19:28,909 --> 01:19:30,000
berries in here.

1470
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:33,000
We're concerned about the thorns and the shallow rooting.

1471
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:36,350
Are all the mesquite trees and hackberries, you know, are

1472
01:19:36,350 --> 01:19:39,590
they not the other type that are deep rooted and without th

1473
01:19:39,590 --> 01:19:42,000
orns because those types do exist.

1474
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:46,000
Is dentin plagued with the thorn shallow rooting types?

1475
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:49,000
We're still going through the going through that tree list.

1476
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:51,000
We're doing an inventory.

1477
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:53,000
Okay. Good. Thank you.

1478
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:54,000
Chris Sanchez.

1479
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:56,699
Yeah. When you're talking about the prairie, you're talking

1480
01:19:56,699 --> 01:19:59,000
more about grasses rather than woody vegetation.

1481
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:02,789
So you're talking about species that will be more

1482
01:20:02,789 --> 01:20:06,479
susceptible or if you if you try to maintain those is more

1483
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:09,300
of a fire ecosystem because that's what the maintain the

1484
01:20:09,300 --> 01:20:10,000
prairie.

1485
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:13,600
So if you're talking about something like your Indian

1486
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:17,609
grasses, those type of grasses, I mean, that's what you'll

1487
01:20:17,609 --> 01:20:19,000
find in the prairie.

1488
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:21,000
And I think that's why it wouldn't be very beneficial.

1489
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:24,420
You don't want those type of grass inside the cities and

1490
01:20:24,420 --> 01:20:26,000
burn the cities down.

1491
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:36,000
At least that's the way I look at it.

1492
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:40,000
And so this was another another change.

1493
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:43,000
This was one Heywood actually I thought had a good idea.

1494
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:46,000
There's there's what's called the Texas Big Tree Registry.

1495
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:49,199
And this is through again through through Texas A&M Forest

1496
01:20:49,199 --> 01:20:50,000
Services.

1497
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:53,539
One thing I did want to make a clarification is from from

1498
01:20:53,539 --> 01:20:55,000
what I understand.

1499
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:58,300
And again, I'm trying to get a little bit more information

1500
01:20:58,300 --> 01:20:59,000
on this.

1501
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:02,189
But rather than just have the historic tree, we included it

1502
01:21:02,189 --> 01:21:04,000
as a landmark tree.

1503
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,689
And so the landmark tree would include still the historic

1504
01:21:06,689 --> 01:21:09,000
designation, which currently we have none.

1505
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:12,329
But also if if you are on this Texas Big Tree Registry

1506
01:21:12,329 --> 01:21:13,000
again.

1507
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:16,430
So if an owner wanted to designate their property or design

1508
01:21:16,430 --> 01:21:19,319
ate a tree on that on on their own property, it would

1509
01:21:19,319 --> 01:21:23,170
provide for that that again another layer of or level of

1510
01:21:23,170 --> 01:21:24,000
protection.

1511
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:28,140
Heritage trees, 18 inches or greater at DVH in all post o

1512
01:21:28,140 --> 01:21:30,000
aks and blackjack oaks.

1513
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:33,569
I think Commissioner Sanchez, that was one thing you had

1514
01:21:33,569 --> 01:21:36,000
mentioned at the last PNZ meeting.

1515
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:41,000
And then quality trees, six inches to to 17.9.

1516
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:44,000
I'll just say 17 because we tend around anyways.

1517
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:48,000
But those those would be the tree types.

1518
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:51,920
And so I know that we're as I said, we're continuing to

1519
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:55,539
sort of hone in on this list and have much debate about

1520
01:21:55,539 --> 01:21:59,000
what what should or shouldn't be on or or not on the list.

1521
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:02,390
But again, looking at it in terms of what our what our

1522
01:22:02,390 --> 01:22:04,000
existing canopy is.

1523
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:07,880
And so I know Haywood had initially come up with with the

1524
01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:11,430
list that you see here on on the right and some of the

1525
01:22:11,430 --> 01:22:15,000
concerns that he had shared related to those.

1526
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:17,500
But if you kind of look at all of those, as I have

1527
01:22:17,500 --> 01:22:21,039
highlighted together, they do represent approximately 41

1528
01:22:21,039 --> 01:22:23,000
percent of the existing canopy.

1529
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:26,430
And so, again, there's also that trying to balance it out.

1530
01:22:26,430 --> 01:22:29,520
There is also that concern with just allowing these to be

1531
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:31,000
completely removed.

1532
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:37,000
It does represent 41, 41 percent of the existing canopy.

1533
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:40,960
Richard, have you looked at where that lines up to the

1534
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:44,000
potential I-35 corridor split?

1535
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:48,079
It seems like some of the Mesquite would be in the areas in

1536
01:22:48,079 --> 01:22:52,000
which you're maybe potentially be preserving less.

1537
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:55,340
And we're that's where we're starting to go on. I just

1538
01:22:55,340 --> 01:22:56,000
finished.

1539
01:22:56,000 --> 01:23:01,000
We just got the map today this afternoon on the split.

1540
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:03,399
And so that's where we're continuing to do some some

1541
01:23:03,399 --> 01:23:06,210
additional some that additional analysis and exactly what

1542
01:23:06,210 --> 01:23:07,000
that means.

1543
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:12,000
Chris, you're cold. Do you have a question?

1544
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:15,000
The honey Mesquite is that that's the thorny Mesquite.

1545
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:19,000
I believe so. I think that's.

1546
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:22,000
What's the other time? I haven't even seen the other type.

1547
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:27,000
Every one I see as a thorn in it. So that's all over.

1548
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:32,000
Is there a.

1549
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:35,000
Is there another there's another.

1550
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:40,000
Other than the honey.

1551
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:42,000
So what is this this year?

1552
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:47,510
This this this came from from this from the study that was

1553
01:23:47,510 --> 01:23:50,000
done in 2016.

1554
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:52,000
They did a tree inventory.

1555
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:56,000
Is that 21 percent? I can guarantee is a lot higher now.

1556
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:59,000
Yeah, then it was two years because they do.

1557
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:03,000
Yeah, thank you.

1558
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:05,789
And so rather than we kind of change it to rather than have

1559
01:24:05,789 --> 01:24:09,000
exempt just really protected trees and non protected trees.

1560
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:13,220
So, of course, any dead or unhealthy trees Mesquite, we

1561
01:24:13,220 --> 01:24:16,279
initially had it as part of a conservation easement when we

1562
01:24:16,279 --> 01:24:18,000
presented this to see we we took that off.

1563
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:21,859
If you recall, we had a concept of that preserved habitat,

1564
01:24:21,859 --> 01:24:24,000
which was adjacent to an ESA.

1565
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:28,079
And so as we looked at it and so if it is a continuation of

1566
01:24:28,079 --> 01:24:32,000
an ESA area and those trees, whether they be Mesquite,

1567
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:34,000
honey, locust,

1568
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:39,260
if they are providing some sort of benefit to to a habitat

1569
01:24:39,260 --> 01:24:42,760
area, maybe it makes sense not to not to completely have

1570
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:45,810
those exempt if they are if they are included with with

1571
01:24:45,810 --> 01:24:47,000
that extension.

1572
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:50,000
Again, that would be the extension of the ESA.

1573
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:53,619
Again, the boat are hack bearing cottonwood that continues

1574
01:24:53,619 --> 01:24:57,000
to be the the three trees that are discussed the most.

1575
01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:59,979
We looked at part of the discussion that we had at the last

1576
01:24:59,979 --> 01:25:01,000
meeting with C.O.E.

1577
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:04,079
We had it that is that's less than six inches would be non

1578
01:25:04,079 --> 01:25:05,000
protected.

1579
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:08,149
I know there was a concern with just the growth rate of I

1580
01:25:08,149 --> 01:25:11,300
think the cottonwood and the hackberry that they grow

1581
01:25:11,300 --> 01:25:13,000
pretty pretty rapidly.

1582
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:16,069
And so we we looked at one thing we're looking at now is if

1583
01:25:16,069 --> 01:25:19,609
it's less than 18 inches, I think that's what we had on one

1584
01:25:19,609 --> 01:25:21,000
of the initial drafts.

1585
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:24,000
And we kind of are coming back around on this.

1586
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:28,300
And so, again, we're still still analyzing this and seeing

1587
01:25:28,300 --> 01:25:32,210
exactly what what it means and eventually wanting to get

1588
01:25:32,210 --> 01:25:35,729
input from from a multitude of of individuals on on

1589
01:25:35,729 --> 01:25:38,000
particularly these trees.

1590
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:40,000
Mr. Beck.

1591
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:43,960
Thank you. What was the rationale for taking these trees

1592
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:46,000
out of conservation easement.

1593
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:49,930
There was a concern that that we had, again, trying to

1594
01:25:49,930 --> 01:25:53,770
promote the saving of a larger of the larger species,

1595
01:25:53,770 --> 01:25:57,000
particularly the post oak or blackjack.

1596
01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:01,800
If it wasn't a continuation of a habitat, if if if it

1597
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:06,380
happened to be part of a conservation area that only had

1598
01:26:06,380 --> 01:26:10,489
mosquitoes on a section of that property, then you wouldn't

1599
01:26:10,489 --> 01:26:15,000
consider it then then under this scenario, they would be.

1600
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:18,340
Again, the likelihood of that happening. But again, I would

1601
01:26:18,340 --> 01:26:20,000
hate for it to happen.

1602
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:22,350
They could preserve the mosquitoes and not the oaks, it

1603
01:26:22,350 --> 01:26:24,760
would still have to actually there would be no mitigation

1604
01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:27,869
the way of conservation. And so we didn't want to have it

1605
01:26:27,869 --> 01:26:31,000
as as as the possibility of being being abused.

1606
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:35,000
And so really if it was a continuation of the habitat.

1607
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:38,000
That was that was the intent.

1608
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:42,000
Thank you.

1609
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:46,090
And again, just going like to just recap again on on on the

1610
01:26:46,090 --> 01:26:49,000
existing code and what we have today.

1611
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:52,720
Again, so this is these are our current info standard inf

1612
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:54,000
ill standards.

1613
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:58,140
So you see the the less than half acre half to one and then

1614
01:26:58,140 --> 01:27:01,000
one one to two of what's required.

1615
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:04,340
So less than a half acre. There's really unless you have

1616
01:27:04,340 --> 01:27:07,100
have a historic tree, there's no preservation requirement,

1617
01:27:07,100 --> 01:27:08,000
no mitigation.

1618
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:12,000
And then if you're two acres, again, no minimum required.

1619
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:16,300
It's just a mitigation for protected trees and then quality

1620
01:27:16,300 --> 01:27:19,000
quality tree stands is really not.

1621
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:23,300
So you have no no minimum requirement, no mitigation

1622
01:27:23,300 --> 01:27:27,800
outside of the outside of or or non info lots again quality

1623
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:32,170
trees quality tree stands is where you kind of get into

1624
01:27:32,170 --> 01:27:34,000
again less than an acre.

1625
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:38,739
None. And then once you get up to greater than two and a

1626
01:27:38,739 --> 01:27:40,699
half acres, it's a minimum of 20 percent for single family

1627
01:27:40,699 --> 01:27:45,000
duplex and 25 percent for multi family non residential.

1628
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:49,500
And then those can be reduced by 50 percent at a one to one

1629
01:27:49,500 --> 01:27:51,000
and a half ratio.

1630
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:54,770
And so you could you could essentially drop that 25 percent

1631
01:27:54,770 --> 01:27:57,000
down to twelve and a half percent.

1632
01:27:57,000 --> 01:28:01,000
So it's not not a whole lot.

1633
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:06,880
This is current. And then this is the here's kind of that

1634
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:08,000
breakdown.

1635
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:14,600
Another another one that came up with respect to tree

1636
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:16,000
stands.

1637
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:23,510
This was a parcel that had a lot of blackjack and post oaks

1638
01:28:23,510 --> 01:28:24,000
.

1639
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:29,390
They did have some preservation area, but they weren't

1640
01:28:29,390 --> 01:28:33,710
required to to mitigate any any of the because they had to

1641
01:28:33,710 --> 01:28:34,000
eat.

1642
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:37,489
There was no mitigation requirement for for the tree stand

1643
01:28:37,489 --> 01:28:41,000
of current of the current remaining oaks on a property.

1644
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:43,890
And so, again, that'll be another one. Another area that's

1645
01:28:43,890 --> 01:28:45,000
substantially lost.

1646
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:49,000
But again, they are they are complying with the code.

1647
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:51,689
And again, so we looked at at what should it be? Should we

1648
01:28:51,689 --> 01:28:54,000
really should this really be the focus again?

1649
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:57,439
And I think I talked to to see initially kind of on the

1650
01:28:57,439 --> 01:28:59,000
policy side of this.

1651
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:01,000
How do we want to what do we what are our goals?

1652
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:03,159
What do we want to achieve from this? Are we really looking

1653
01:29:03,159 --> 01:29:05,949
to have sort of a mitigation approach to this or are we

1654
01:29:05,949 --> 01:29:08,000
really looking at at restoration?

1655
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:11,100
And what's what's the focus? Because you can kind of go two

1656
01:29:11,100 --> 01:29:13,000
different ways in how you how we structure it.

1657
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:16,000
And so we kind of took the we kind of took the approach of

1658
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:17,000
restoration.

1659
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:19,979
So if we're really trying to increase our tree canopy

1660
01:29:19,979 --> 01:29:24,050
rather than have that that payment or some other method,

1661
01:29:24,050 --> 01:29:27,220
let's look at ways that one we can we can meet our goals of

1662
01:29:27,220 --> 01:29:31,000
trying to preserve the type of trees that you keep that

1663
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:32,000
aren't commercially available.

1664
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:34,739
Number one, but also then some of those other larger trees

1665
01:29:34,739 --> 01:29:37,979
and again, looking at replacement of trees, whether they be

1666
01:29:37,979 --> 01:29:41,350
on or off site, but still having that that payment in lieu

1667
01:29:41,350 --> 01:29:42,000
option.

1668
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:46,090
And again, there's still that that policy question that we

1669
01:29:46,090 --> 01:29:49,840
continue to discuss and how should those funds be spent

1670
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:52,000
from the from the tree fund.

1671
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:55,000
And so, again, this is just that that example current code.

1672
01:29:55,000 --> 01:30:00,010
This is a site that went with a 25 percent of the of the

1673
01:30:00,010 --> 01:30:03,000
canopy zero protected trees.

1674
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:06,680
But when you look at when you look at if they would have if

1675
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:09,880
they would have been required to go by DBH, it's

1676
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:12,000
substantially different.

1677
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:15,880
So it it result that 25 percent can be resulted in 11

1678
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:17,000
percent DBH.

1679
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:20,000
This was part of an ESA. So there was credit for it.

1680
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:24,029
So as long as they as long as that was preserved, there

1681
01:30:24,029 --> 01:30:29,000
were no additional tree preservation requirements required.

1682
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:33,380
Just to give you a proposed code example again, this is

1683
01:30:33,380 --> 01:30:38,550
again looking at this practically minimum preservation 30

1684
01:30:38,550 --> 01:30:44,350
percent of DBH, which is essentially almost twenty two

1685
01:30:44,350 --> 01:30:48,000
hundred inches restoration.

1686
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:51,000
Five thousand one hundred and fourteen.

1687
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:54,659
And then with that multiplier depend depending on the tree,

1688
01:30:54,659 --> 01:30:58,050
it puts it up to fifteen thousand three hundred and forty

1689
01:30:58,050 --> 01:31:01,430
two inches. Now, the likelihood of that even being able to

1690
01:31:01,430 --> 01:31:03,000
be planted is slim to none.

1691
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:07,010
But again, the focus is allowing for credits to get focused

1692
01:31:07,010 --> 01:31:10,000
on a certain type of tree size or species.

1693
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:13,829
But just thinking in terms of having to plant that many

1694
01:31:13,829 --> 01:31:18,090
inches, you're looking at at almost seventy seven hundred

1695
01:31:18,090 --> 01:31:21,819
two inch trees, which is quite a lot and probably not

1696
01:31:21,819 --> 01:31:23,000
practical.

1697
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:26,300
And so that's where we started to look again at allowing

1698
01:31:26,300 --> 01:31:29,000
for those credits for that restoration.

1699
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:32,340
And then so if you're depending on what you're preserving,

1700
01:31:32,340 --> 01:31:35,010
being able then to pull a credit from what you're

1701
01:31:35,010 --> 01:31:36,000
preserving.

1702
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:38,579
And so while while it's getting counted against you, you're

1703
01:31:38,579 --> 01:31:40,000
also getting credited back.

1704
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:44,590
And so if you if you the larger you preserve or the type

1705
01:31:44,590 --> 01:31:48,000
you preserve, the greater credit you get.

1706
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:50,699
So if you're a post or blackjack, you get a three three

1707
01:31:50,699 --> 01:31:53,569
inches for every inch preserved and then and then kind of

1708
01:31:53,569 --> 01:31:56,180
on down the list and then and then you get into into the

1709
01:31:56,180 --> 01:31:58,000
restoration requirements.

1710
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:03,210
So the goal really is to is to try to focus on on again the

1711
01:32:03,210 --> 01:32:08,920
larger trees and the post of blackjack and not requiring so

1712
01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:11,000
much mitigation.

1713
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:14,960
We also looked at including some additional incentives,

1714
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:18,939
looking at an energy conservation credit for either mitig

1715
01:32:18,939 --> 01:32:22,560
ated or preserved large canopy trees if they're on the

1716
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:25,000
western or southern exposure.

1717
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:28,710
If it's a landmark tree, really, really bumping up that

1718
01:32:28,710 --> 01:32:32,430
that replacement credit to give them four times the DBH,

1719
01:32:32,430 --> 01:32:36,000
which is which is pretty, pretty substantial.

1720
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:39,340
And then again, that that conservation easement allowing if

1721
01:32:39,340 --> 01:32:42,260
those restoration trees or even preserve trees are are

1722
01:32:42,260 --> 01:32:48,130
included, allow for a allow for a credit, a tree cluster

1723
01:32:48,130 --> 01:32:49,000
credit.

1724
01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:53,300
And this was another a newer one. And we still thought

1725
01:32:53,300 --> 01:32:58,000
keeping that parking space reduction is is is is worthy.

1726
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:02,550
We didn't include the 30 percent, but we are we are

1727
01:33:02,550 --> 01:33:08,000
recommending that we keep that that 15 percent required.

1728
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:11,000
And then this just gives you an example.

1729
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:14,489
We ran this one out again based on based on the incentives

1730
01:33:14,489 --> 01:33:18,050
and this was this one was fairly easy to run because it was

1731
01:33:18,050 --> 01:33:20,000
all blackjack and post oak.

1732
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:22,000
So we can understand what the credits were.

1733
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:27,319
And so with this, we get to a mitigation of 10,000 nine

1734
01:33:27,319 --> 01:33:30,000
hundred and fifty nine inches.

1735
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:33,340
The mitigation credit again, because you have the preserved

1736
01:33:33,340 --> 01:33:34,000
habitat.

1737
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:38,640
Again, this goes back to if you recall, we talked about the

1738
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:42,130
development impact area. So the ESA is excluded and then it

1739
01:33:42,130 --> 01:33:44,760
will also be excluded from the from the landscape required

1740
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:48,000
area as well as preservation habitat.

1741
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:51,210
So if you look at what that what it brings it down to is

1742
01:33:51,210 --> 01:33:54,819
this would actually result in a in a credit of 21 inches

1743
01:33:54,819 --> 01:33:57,000
towards towards landscaping.

1744
01:33:57,000 --> 01:34:00,399
And so that could be used whether it's on the buffer to the

1745
01:34:00,399 --> 01:34:03,000
north or some other some other method.

1746
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:05,000
Christian Beck. Thank you, Chair.

1747
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:08,369
When we mitigate these trees, are they going on this

1748
01:34:08,369 --> 01:34:12,050
development or are we putting those trees somewhere else

1749
01:34:12,050 --> 01:34:15,029
that they're well, this one there would be no they would

1750
01:34:15,029 --> 01:34:18,210
not they would not have to they would not have to plant any

1751
01:34:18,210 --> 01:34:20,000
new trees as a result of preservation.

1752
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:22,420
So we're going to be playing them on some other area within

1753
01:34:22,420 --> 01:34:23,000
the city.

1754
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:25,909
Well, they was well there would be no trees that would be

1755
01:34:25,909 --> 01:34:28,899
required to be planted, because they would because they

1756
01:34:28,899 --> 01:34:31,779
preserve the blackjack oak and post oaks right and then

1757
01:34:31,779 --> 01:34:35,000
dedicated dedicated it within the preserved habitat.

1758
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:39,000
So as a result of the credits that they would receive.

1759
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:41,300
There would not be any additional trees that they would

1760
01:34:41,300 --> 01:34:45,220
have to plan. In fact, they would actually result in a in a

1761
01:34:45,220 --> 01:34:47,000
21 inch credit.

1762
01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:49,000
Okay.

1763
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:52,000
Thanks.

1764
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:55,000
And then this is just another example.

1765
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:58,390
This was one that had the majority of the trees on this

1766
01:34:58,390 --> 01:34:59,000
site.

1767
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:03,000
This is sort of off a box this is Bonnie break south end of

1768
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:04,000
the city.

1769
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:10,000
Majority of the trees here were pack buried sugar berries.

1770
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:13,000
Total DBH 3260 inches.

1771
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:16,840
And so looking at, and I'll jump to the red first under the

1772
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:18,000
current code.

1773
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:25,930
They were required 14% of the DBH, there were some quality

1774
01:35:25,930 --> 01:35:27,000
trees.

1775
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:32,420
So that amounted to 461 inches they mitigated, or, which

1776
01:35:32,420 --> 01:35:37,920
was the equivalent of 1.14% of the canopy. And so they had

1777
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:43,149
to mitigate 150 inches, which resulted in a payment for $18

1778
01:35:43,149 --> 01:35:45,000
,750.

1779
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:49,819
The proposed preservation 30% of DBH. Again, this is going

1780
01:35:49,819 --> 01:35:52,800
to change but it just wanted to paint paint the example

1781
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:57,109
that restoration required, and then incentives for the

1782
01:35:57,109 --> 01:36:03,000
conservation area, if they were to dedicate these areas

1783
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:06,000
that would account for 27.71%.

1784
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:10,859
And remember, as we discussed at the last meeting, you can

1785
01:36:10,859 --> 01:36:16,180
take the 30% requirement down to 20%. If you, if you do

1786
01:36:16,180 --> 01:36:20,000
either a conservation area or a preserve habitat.

1787
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:24,409
And so looking at, at, at the exempt tree so assuming that

1788
01:36:24,409 --> 01:36:28,550
if we just looked at all of the hackberry and cottonwood

1789
01:36:28,550 --> 01:36:32,869
and everything on that list, just as being exempt just to

1790
01:36:32,869 --> 01:36:37,199
kind of give that example of what what that equates to of

1791
01:36:37,199 --> 01:36:41,000
the total DBH 3260.

1792
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:46,630
A total quality trees of 200 inches. And so that that that

1793
01:36:46,630 --> 01:36:50,000
was 6.13% of the total DBH.

1794
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:55,189
And so, 30% minimum required preservation off that 26060

1795
01:36:55,189 --> 01:36:56,000
inches.

1796
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:59,819
So you can see it's it's substantially less than than

1797
01:36:59,819 --> 01:37:03,989
anything else so that's where we're, we're still in that

1798
01:37:03,989 --> 01:37:08,000
discussion about which which trees and what size and.

1799
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:11,779
But again, there is this does not include the length in the

1800
01:37:11,779 --> 01:37:15,340
landscape requirements that do have a percentage of of

1801
01:37:15,340 --> 01:37:19,229
canopy that's required as a result of the landscape Richard

1802
01:37:19,229 --> 01:37:23,000
help me understand, or maybe I already understand.

1803
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:27,300
It seems as though this this proposed preservation or

1804
01:37:27,300 --> 01:37:31,909
restoration plan would actually allow properties to have

1805
01:37:31,909 --> 01:37:36,829
less than a 30% tree, if they're all preserving landmark

1806
01:37:36,829 --> 01:37:41,000
trees so if they have to gigantic landmark trees.

1807
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:44,329
So basically they could take away a ton of trees because

1808
01:37:44,329 --> 01:37:47,569
the four to one credit is is one is that interpretation

1809
01:37:47,569 --> 01:37:50,979
correct and two, does that mean the city is okay with not

1810
01:37:50,979 --> 01:37:55,329
meeting like a 30% canopy coverage, as long as the 18% we

1811
01:37:55,329 --> 01:37:57,000
have are all awesome trees.

1812
01:37:57,000 --> 01:38:01,340
I think I think it's too but well one one theoretically it

1813
01:38:01,340 --> 01:38:06,000
could happen if there's, you know, large large trees.

1814
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:10,289
It's a substantial. If you look at it kind of that that

1815
01:38:10,289 --> 01:38:13,430
list. I went through it I don't think there's at least from

1816
01:38:13,430 --> 01:38:15,829
I think it was last week was the last time I looked at it

1817
01:38:15,829 --> 01:38:18,000
there's not one tree and Denton County.

1818
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:21,520
That's on that that's on that list currently, not to say

1819
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:24,869
there's not a tree that could make it there's just none

1820
01:38:24,869 --> 01:38:28,210
that have been put on that trend, I do know Tarrant has

1821
01:38:28,210 --> 01:38:30,000
some in Dallas County.

1822
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:33,260
Tell me the second part of class sorry. Well it just seems

1823
01:38:33,260 --> 01:38:36,180
that the goal of 30% canopy could be less if we're

1824
01:38:36,180 --> 01:38:39,659
increasing the quality trees and is the city. Okay with

1825
01:38:39,659 --> 01:38:41,000
that under this.

1826
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:43,979
It would again they would still have their they would still

1827
01:38:43,979 --> 01:38:47,000
have the the canopy requirements from the landscape code.

1828
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:55,000
And so this is just this is just one one component of it.

1829
01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:58,329
And then again looking at the mitigation alternatives this

1830
01:38:58,329 --> 01:39:01,529
is this is essentially the same language that we have today

1831
01:39:01,529 --> 01:39:05,000
with respect to, to what the tree fund can can be used for.

1832
01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:08,000
And then we're still having a.

1833
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:09,000
Chris are back.

1834
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:11,000
Thank you, go back. Okay.

1835
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:14,989
Let's talk about preserving property meaning naturalistic

1836
01:39:14,989 --> 01:39:18,609
state and that's one thing I've touched base with you on I

1837
01:39:18,609 --> 01:39:21,000
'd like to expand on if we could.

1838
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:27,390
We have. I'm sure we do we have areas that we need to

1839
01:39:27,390 --> 01:39:30,000
preserve as development comes into it.

1840
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:33,500
To be specific I'm talking about those trees between Br

1841
01:39:33,500 --> 01:39:37,380
inker and mayhill, where there's a lot of development going

1842
01:39:37,380 --> 01:39:40,000
on that's part of the upper habitat.

1843
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:42,000
And if we keep munching away at that.

1844
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:51,689
We're gonna lose a lot there so do. Are we trying to design

1845
01:39:51,689 --> 01:39:53,520
ate some areas now that would qualify to preserve, we haven

1846
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:55,260
't got to the point where we're, we've identified here's

1847
01:39:55,260 --> 01:39:58,060
properties that we should, you know, identify for for

1848
01:39:58,060 --> 01:39:59,000
purchase.

1849
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:02,300
We can we can certainly get to that point but but I haven't

1850
01:40:02,300 --> 01:40:05,939
, I haven't, we haven't gone out and said here's, you know,

1851
01:40:05,939 --> 01:40:09,100
here's a great stand up of post and I understand we have

1852
01:40:09,100 --> 01:40:13,000
and that's my concern what, because the delay just prevents

1853
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:14,000
us from preserving

1854
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:17,140
a lot of these trees so what is the delay why can't we set

1855
01:40:17,140 --> 01:40:20,619
something in motion now and designate some areas, and then

1856
01:40:20,619 --> 01:40:24,279
debate it, you know, not say, okay, we're definitely going

1857
01:40:24,279 --> 01:40:27,550
to do this, but let's pinpoint some areas right now one I

1858
01:40:27,550 --> 01:40:29,000
've already mentioned to you,

1859
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:31,880
and kind of go from there because if we just continue

1860
01:40:31,880 --> 01:40:35,180
putting it off and putting it off. We lose a little bit by

1861
01:40:35,180 --> 01:40:38,359
a little bit and we're dealing with it in these conditions

1862
01:40:38,359 --> 01:40:40,000
when they come before us.

1863
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:43,829
We have these minimum requirements. So, don't mean to put

1864
01:40:43,829 --> 01:40:47,189
you in the spot, but I mean, is there some way we could

1865
01:40:47,189 --> 01:40:51,060
initiate something on this post haste. Yeah, what I can do

1866
01:40:51,060 --> 01:40:53,930
is, is I will relay that back to the committee on the

1867
01:40:53,930 --> 01:40:55,000
environment.

1868
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:59,659
Okay. I do know that that have they have they brought it up

1869
01:40:59,659 --> 01:41:00,000
.

1870
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:04,399
It's about still having the ability to purchase land but we

1871
01:41:04,399 --> 01:41:08,800
haven't got into a discussion about identifying specific

1872
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:13,149
properties. I do know that was discussed at one point in

1873
01:41:13,149 --> 01:41:16,000
the past, but nothing, nothing.

1874
01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:19,770
I don't believe anything resulted from that. No part of the

1875
01:41:19,770 --> 01:41:23,050
concern is going to be cost and we've got so much money in

1876
01:41:23,050 --> 01:41:24,000
the tree fun.

1877
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:29,920
Do we have any protection as a city in order to protect

1878
01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:32,000
these trees to pay.

1879
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:34,930
What is the appropriate value for it instead of somebody

1880
01:41:34,930 --> 01:41:37,789
jacking the price up and trying to get as much as they can

1881
01:41:37,789 --> 01:41:40,699
which we understand but we're in a situation where we're

1882
01:41:40,699 --> 01:41:43,899
trying to preserve trees for safety and health reasons, and

1883
01:41:43,899 --> 01:41:46,000
we would pay them for it.

1884
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:52,000
And a realtor could probably help me.

1885
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:56,000
Thank you.

1886
01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:58,000
Do we have anything.

1887
01:41:58,000 --> 01:42:01,899
Does the city have any other than then, you know, an em

1888
01:42:01,899 --> 01:42:06,000
inent domain proceedings I think would be difficult for

1889
01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:09,000
market value.

1890
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:12,350
Right. And I'm okay with that what I'm worried about is we

1891
01:42:12,350 --> 01:42:15,149
go in and we're trying to preserve an area, and somebody,

1892
01:42:15,149 --> 01:42:17,970
you know, decides what they want more than that, because

1893
01:42:17,970 --> 01:42:21,000
they have other plans for probably to and I understand that

1894
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:21,000
but.

1895
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:24,340
So we don't have any protection other than an eminent

1896
01:42:24,340 --> 01:42:28,000
domain. Not not that not that I'm aware of. Okay.

1897
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:30,000
Thank you.

1898
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:31,000
Chris or Alice.

1899
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:34,859
Thank you, Chair. So y'all know I'm not a big fan of the

1900
01:42:34,859 --> 01:42:36,000
tree fund.

1901
01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:40,000
Just, it just makes it way too easy.

1902
01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:43,689
The idea of just training people is okay but it doesn't

1903
01:42:43,689 --> 01:42:47,630
help towards the goal of planting trees. So I would hope

1904
01:42:47,630 --> 01:42:51,000
that if we're going to keep this as an option.

1905
01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:55,000
Since we're giving them an option to pay into a tree fun.

1906
01:42:55,000 --> 01:42:58,000
And then they can remove trees.

1907
01:42:58,000 --> 01:43:00,720
We've got to have some kind of parameters that we're using

1908
01:43:00,720 --> 01:43:03,470
that money to plant trees, it doesn't make any sense why we

1909
01:43:03,470 --> 01:43:05,000
would use it for much else.

1910
01:43:05,000 --> 01:43:08,159
That's the option is we're going to take these trees and we

1911
01:43:08,159 --> 01:43:11,260
're going to give you money into the tree fund, you would

1912
01:43:11,260 --> 01:43:14,000
think that would go towards planting trees.

1913
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:17,020
And I, and it just has not been consistent in any kind of

1914
01:43:17,020 --> 01:43:19,899
way and I would hope that if we're going to keep it that

1915
01:43:19,899 --> 01:43:22,989
something gets written into there that we are planting a

1916
01:43:22,989 --> 01:43:26,289
significant amount of trees with the tree fund every single

1917
01:43:26,289 --> 01:43:27,000
year.

1918
01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:31,170
I think I think the the the missing link to that is, is the

1919
01:43:31,170 --> 01:43:35,250
sort of the tree management plan that was intended to be

1920
01:43:35,250 --> 01:43:38,430
done. I think there was money budgeted last year again we

1921
01:43:38,430 --> 01:43:40,000
requested it for this year.

1922
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:43,680
And really the goal of that plan is to identify where and

1923
01:43:43,680 --> 01:43:47,529
what should should be planted. And so, so once we have sort

1924
01:43:47,529 --> 01:43:50,920
of this, this tree management plan and where we're going to

1925
01:43:50,920 --> 01:43:54,649
plant on within street trees or on city property, then it's

1926
01:43:54,649 --> 01:43:55,000
easy to.

1927
01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:58,689
Okay, here, here's what the plan identified of where we can

1928
01:43:58,689 --> 01:44:01,000
and what should be planted where.

1929
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:03,640
And, you know, that was also just going through is

1930
01:44:03,640 --> 01:44:06,520
concerned well how are we, where are we planting them in

1931
01:44:06,520 --> 01:44:09,399
parks, and, and do we know that they're then going to be

1932
01:44:09,399 --> 01:44:12,229
preserved and they're not going to be taken down at some

1933
01:44:12,229 --> 01:44:14,000
some other in the future.

1934
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:16,920
And so I think that's where it goes back to having that

1935
01:44:16,920 --> 01:44:20,060
having that plan and being able then to to go through okay

1936
01:44:20,060 --> 01:44:23,199
yeah here here's what we accomplish here's here's where

1937
01:44:23,199 --> 01:44:25,000
those funds were expended.

1938
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:27,859
I mean a plan is what I'm asking for because it just isn't

1939
01:44:27,859 --> 01:44:30,000
one, we're just collecting money.

1940
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:38,550
And it's not helping the goal of what our tree code is

1941
01:44:38,550 --> 01:44:42,000
supposed to be doing.

1942
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:46,140
And that that's something that with with engineering's

1943
01:44:46,140 --> 01:44:47,000
latest.

1944
01:44:47,000 --> 01:44:50,029
If you remember when they did the, the criteria manual they

1945
01:44:50,029 --> 01:44:52,880
did change some of the street sections to go to more of the

1946
01:44:52,880 --> 01:44:55,949
context sensitive corridors, which included having that

1947
01:44:55,949 --> 01:44:58,000
having that streetscape design.

1948
01:44:58,000 --> 01:45:04,000
But again, the missing component of that is is really that

1949
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:04,000
the plan.

1950
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:08,140
Richard I know it's, it's 630 and you have landscape code

1951
01:45:08,140 --> 01:45:09,000
to go is that.

1952
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:12,340
Do you want to try to breeze through that or we can

1953
01:45:12,340 --> 01:45:14,000
probably bring that.

1954
01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:17,000
Bring it back at the next at the next meeting.

1955
01:45:17,000 --> 01:45:20,000
What I just want to highlight really quick.

1956
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:22,000
I'm going to jump.

1957
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:24,399
There was some additional analysis I think I hit him into

1958
01:45:24,399 --> 01:45:26,680
some of the stuff that we're doing but one of the things

1959
01:45:26,680 --> 01:45:28,949
that we're that we were asked to do is, with respect to

1960
01:45:28,949 --> 01:45:31,449
restoration again the type, the type of tree to be planted

1961
01:45:31,449 --> 01:45:36,000
in the area needed, particularly a square, square foot of

1962
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:37,000
dirt.

1963
01:45:37,000 --> 01:45:41,000
And then the cost for planning a tree and maintaining it.

1964
01:45:41,000 --> 01:45:44,210
And then again where where these trees could be planted off

1965
01:45:44,210 --> 01:45:47,310
site including within the rights of way and and and street

1966
01:45:47,310 --> 01:45:50,000
trees kind of going back to back to that plan.

1967
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:54,000
Again, consider a credit for the prairie preserved area.

1968
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:56,819
If there if there's an ESO or some other mechanism so that

1969
01:45:56,819 --> 01:46:00,079
's something we're, we're looking at. Again the protected

1970
01:46:00,079 --> 01:46:03,289
and non protected what species and size, native adapted and

1971
01:46:03,289 --> 01:46:06,000
non native is really kind of looking at, at those three

1972
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:06,000
categories.

1973
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:10,140
And then getting into landscape credits and one one that

1974
01:46:10,140 --> 01:46:13,920
came up at, at, at the last year we I guess we have the

1975
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:18,000
monarch City USA designation monarch butterfly.

1976
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:21,739
And so including a credit for a butterfly habitat or garden

1977
01:46:21,739 --> 01:46:25,430
within your within your landscape, eliminating the ESA

1978
01:46:25,430 --> 01:46:29,270
credits for for landscape and tree preservation, and then

1979
01:46:29,270 --> 01:46:33,029
really finalizing how those preservation credits, then

1980
01:46:33,029 --> 01:46:35,000
apply to the landscape credits

1981
01:46:35,000 --> 01:46:37,579
just to kind of work work through those, and whether it's a

1982
01:46:37,579 --> 01:46:40,130
full credit partial credit so those are some of the things

1983
01:46:40,130 --> 01:46:42,550
that that we're going to be working on over the next over

1984
01:46:42,550 --> 01:46:45,000
the next month, and then and then coming back.

1985
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:47,449
But I think I still would like to come back on the

1986
01:46:47,449 --> 01:46:50,720
landscape code because this is one of those. It's always

1987
01:46:50,720 --> 01:46:53,890
part of the presentation we never get to it so at least

1988
01:46:53,890 --> 01:46:57,000
wanted to perhaps put that on for the next meeting.

1989
01:46:57,000 --> 01:46:59,000
Christopher, do you have a question.

1990
01:46:59,000 --> 01:47:05,670
Yeah, so I was a couple of things. So how do we assign

1991
01:47:05,670 --> 01:47:07,739
value to the trees because I work in Frisco and there was a

1992
01:47:07,739 --> 01:47:09,920
thing a few days ago where they were actually moving trees

1993
01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:12,000
like full grown trees and it was a beautiful site.

1994
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:16,159
So I'm coming down the street. And, you know, these things

1995
01:47:16,159 --> 01:47:20,960
full grown trees were somewhere around $25,000 each to put

1996
01:47:20,960 --> 01:47:25,520
on a property yet we don't charge people $25,000 to take

1997
01:47:25,520 --> 01:47:29,000
down, you know, these types of things out here.

1998
01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:32,000
discussing canopy and what's removed and what's not.

1999
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:38,819
So I think that's where we go back to, to that to that list

2000
01:47:38,819 --> 01:47:42,000
and that species list. There are some there are.

2001
01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:45,390
There are some values that were assigned from that 2016

2002
01:47:45,390 --> 01:47:48,590
report. Interestingly, I came across a web application

2003
01:47:48,590 --> 01:47:51,000
today need to dig into it a little bit more.

2004
01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:54,140
But if you go if you go on the Texas and and Forestry

2005
01:47:54,140 --> 01:47:55,000
Service.

2006
01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:58,000
They actually have a.

2007
01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:03,489
I think around. I still need to dig in. I don't know what

2008
01:48:03,489 --> 01:48:07,569
the what all of the data means. I know they are looking at

2009
01:48:07,569 --> 01:48:10,000
at 2012.

2010
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:12,000
I think property lines.

2011
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:15,300
But, but it does give you. I thought it was interesting

2012
01:48:15,300 --> 01:48:18,010
because it gives you the current canopy, which was actually

2013
01:48:18,010 --> 01:48:20,000
lower than a lot lower than where we are.

2014
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:24,090
But then it also there's a value that's assigned to it. And

2015
01:48:24,090 --> 01:48:28,149
then it gives a regional canopy sort of canopy goals. And

2016
01:48:28,149 --> 01:48:30,300
so it's just one of those things that I want to dig in a

2017
01:48:30,300 --> 01:48:32,000
little bit more and see.

2018
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:36,289
But but it does assign a value to that to that canopy. What

2019
01:48:36,289 --> 01:48:39,060
I haven't done is peel that back to see what that what that

2020
01:48:39,060 --> 01:48:40,000
translates to.

2021
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:43,510
Again on on the speech. I think that was also one of the

2022
01:48:43,510 --> 01:48:47,270
concerns with with the sugar bearer hackberry. If you go

2023
01:48:47,270 --> 01:48:50,560
into the if you look in the report, it does provide a

2024
01:48:50,560 --> 01:48:53,710
higher level than some of the trees for carbon sequest

2025
01:48:53,710 --> 01:48:56,000
ration and other benefits.

2026
01:48:56,000 --> 01:48:58,420
Of course, stormwater. And so again, it's just trying

2027
01:48:58,420 --> 01:49:02,260
trying trying to balance that. But then again, tie a value

2028
01:49:02,260 --> 01:49:03,000
to it.

2029
01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:06,069
I had another thing you mentioned it or was on the slide a

2030
01:49:06,069 --> 01:49:09,220
minute ago when we talk about landscaping and there was a

2031
01:49:09,220 --> 01:49:12,449
whole idea of you know monarch butterflies and I don't know

2032
01:49:12,449 --> 01:49:14,449
if anyone's ever kind of created a butterfly garden or

2033
01:49:14,449 --> 01:49:15,000
whatever.

2034
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:18,229
Basically, it just looks like a bunch of weeds, you know,

2035
01:49:18,229 --> 01:49:20,000
that attracts butterflies.

2036
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:23,329
I know as we develop more and we have more, you know, we

2037
01:49:23,329 --> 01:49:26,720
have more houses coming in. HOA tend to not like things

2038
01:49:26,720 --> 01:49:30,380
that look like weeds around their properties, even though

2039
01:49:30,380 --> 01:49:33,000
they're great for the environment.

2040
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:37,199
Does the city have any plans or any approaches to ensuring

2041
01:49:37,199 --> 01:49:41,000
that those types of things are not discouraged.

2042
01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:45,800
I mean, what what what they ultimately put in in in HOA

2043
01:49:45,800 --> 01:49:50,750
restrictions we don't we don't enforce it. Obviously, it

2044
01:49:50,750 --> 01:49:53,350
would be up to up to the up to those two parties, but it's

2045
01:49:53,350 --> 01:49:56,060
something that that at least we would we would include in

2046
01:49:56,060 --> 01:50:00,000
in in the code.

2047
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:03,489
Chris shells. Thank you, Joe. Real quick, Richard. I know

2048
01:50:03,489 --> 01:50:08,000
we had a draft in our backup. Do you want any comments from

2049
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:08,000
us on that.

2050
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:13,199
Please. Please. And again, it's continually changing. So it

2051
01:50:13,199 --> 01:50:15,600
is a rough draft. But please, any any and all comments are

2052
01:50:15,600 --> 01:50:17,000
would be greatly appreciated.

2053
01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:20,680
Good point, Commissioner. Before we close out this would

2054
01:50:20,680 --> 01:50:24,329
your presentation. So your backup is available to everyone

2055
01:50:24,329 --> 01:50:26,590
online. Is there any other opportunities for the public to

2056
01:50:26,590 --> 01:50:28,319
get involved apart from email and city staff or what are

2057
01:50:28,319 --> 01:50:32,000
opportunities for the public to start feeding into this.

2058
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:35,140
I think as we as we continue to move forward, because this

2059
01:50:35,140 --> 01:50:38,140
has kind of been on on on almost a parallel path with the D

2060
01:50:38,140 --> 01:50:39,000
DC update.

2061
01:50:39,000 --> 01:50:43,140
And so because this is such a has been a high priority and

2062
01:50:43,140 --> 01:50:48,359
hot button topic through obviously it's been since 2014 and

2063
01:50:48,359 --> 01:50:52,000
we're still talking about amendments to it.

2064
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:55,539
And so it might it might be just beneficial to include as

2065
01:50:55,539 --> 01:50:59,220
part of the Web site where we have the the DDC update page,

2066
01:50:59,220 --> 01:51:02,449
either having a sub page specifically for for tree

2067
01:51:02,449 --> 01:51:05,760
preservation and landscape or just having having a

2068
01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:07,000
standalone.

2069
01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:11,329
So it's a little easier to navigate to navigate for folks.

2070
01:51:11,329 --> 01:51:15,149
And then what we can do is and send that sort of send our

2071
01:51:15,149 --> 01:51:18,890
blast email out to the to the folks that we have on our

2072
01:51:18,890 --> 01:51:23,000
sort of on our, our ongoing collection of emails.

2073
01:51:23,000 --> 01:51:24,000
Great.

2074
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:26,000
We'll look forward to the landscape.

2075
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:27,000
Next time.

2076
01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:37,920
With that we'll close the work session at 636 and in

2077
01:51:37,920 --> 01:51:47,909
interest of time for those waiting will reconvene in

2078
01:51:47,909 --> 01:51:54,000
council chambers at 640.

2079
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:56,760
Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the

2080
01:51:56,760 --> 01:52:00,000
planning and zoning commission meeting for September 26 at

2081
01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:01,000
2018.

2082
01:52:01,000 --> 01:52:03,000
It is six forty seven.

2083
01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:04,000
I'll call this meeting to order.

2084
01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:06,579
First item on the agenda is to stand and give a pledge

2085
01:52:06,579 --> 01:52:12,000
allegiance to the U.S. and Texas flag.

2086
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:16,840
Allegiance to the United States of America and to the

2087
01:52:16,840 --> 01:52:22,350
republic for which it stands one nation under God, indivis

2088
01:52:22,350 --> 01:52:26,000
ible, with liberty and justice for all.

2089
01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:28,000
Honor the Texas flag.

2090
01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:37,800
Pledge allegiance to the Texas one state under God, one and

2091
01:52:37,800 --> 01:52:40,000
indivisible.

2092
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:42,979
And before we get into the vote for the minutes, I just

2093
01:52:42,979 --> 01:52:46,000
wanted to announce as a point of order on the agenda,

2094
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:51,859
public hearing item five a has been postponed to October 24

2095
01:52:51,859 --> 01:52:52,000
th.

2096
01:52:52,000 --> 01:52:54,979
And so we won't have a public hearing or discussion on that

2097
01:52:54,979 --> 01:52:56,000
matter tonight.

2098
01:52:56,000 --> 01:53:00,069
And item five C has been postponed to the October 10th

2099
01:53:00,069 --> 01:53:01,000
meeting.

2100
01:53:01,000 --> 01:53:04,359
There won't be a public hearing or discussion on that item

2101
01:53:04,359 --> 01:53:05,000
either.

2102
01:53:05,000 --> 01:53:08,930
With that, we'll move it to agenda item two, which is a

2103
01:53:08,930 --> 01:53:13,000
consider approval for planning and zoning minutes.

2104
01:53:13,000 --> 01:53:19,000
We'll take these separately as we have one absent.

2105
01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:25,000
Chair will entertain a motion or discussion.

2106
01:53:25,000 --> 01:53:30,000
No buttons will do voting and motions by hand this evening.

2107
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:34,000
Commissioner Beck.

2108
01:53:34,000 --> 01:53:36,000
Can you hit your mic?

2109
01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:43,000
I move we approve the minutes for.

2110
01:53:43,000 --> 01:53:44,000
What date are we talking about?

2111
01:53:44,000 --> 01:53:45,000
August 22nd.

2112
01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:46,000
August 22nd.

2113
01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:48,000
I was here for both of them.

2114
01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:49,000
Thank you, Commissioner Beck.

2115
01:53:49,000 --> 01:53:50,000
Commissioner Ellis.

2116
01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:51,000
Thank you, Chair.

2117
01:53:51,000 --> 01:53:52,000
Second.

2118
01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:53,000
We have a first and a second.

2119
01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:55,000
Any discussion on the matter?

2120
01:53:55,000 --> 01:54:06,189
We'll call for a vote on the board for the minutes of

2121
01:54:06,189 --> 01:54:10,000
August 22nd.

2122
01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:13,000
That carries seven zero.

2123
01:54:13,000 --> 01:54:15,000
We have minutes for September 12th.

2124
01:54:15,000 --> 01:54:16,000
Commissioner Ellis.

2125
01:54:16,000 --> 01:54:17,000
Thank you, Chair.

2126
01:54:17,000 --> 01:54:19,000
I move approval of the minutes of September 12th.

2127
01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:21,000
Thank you, Commissioner Sanchez.

2128
01:54:21,000 --> 01:54:23,000
I second that motion.

2129
01:54:23,000 --> 01:54:24,000
Perfect.

2130
01:54:24,000 --> 01:54:25,000
We have a first and a second.

2131
01:54:25,000 --> 01:54:26,000
Any discussion on the minutes?

2132
01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:39,000
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote on the board.

2133
01:54:39,000 --> 01:54:42,000
That carries six zero with one recusal.

2134
01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:45,000
We'll move this to the consent agenda.

2135
01:54:45,000 --> 01:54:48,000
We can have discussion or a motion on the item.

2136
01:54:48,000 --> 01:54:49,000
Commissioner Smith.

2137
01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:51,000
Motion and approval of the consent agenda.

2138
01:54:51,000 --> 01:54:52,000
Commissioner Ellis.

2139
01:54:52,000 --> 01:54:54,000
Thank you, Chair.

2140
01:54:54,000 --> 01:54:55,000
Second.

2141
01:54:55,000 --> 01:54:56,000
We have a first and a second.

2142
01:54:56,000 --> 01:54:57,000
Any discussion on the item?

2143
01:54:57,000 --> 01:55:12,000
Seeing none, we can vote on the board.

2144
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:14,000
Motion carries seven zero.

2145
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:16,000
That moves us to items for individual consideration.

2146
01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:22,000
The first is SP18-0028.

2147
01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:24,649
We do have a conflict on this, so I'll give Commissioner

2148
01:55:24,649 --> 01:55:37,000
Pernetta a minute to clear.

2149
01:55:37,000 --> 01:55:39,000
And the floor is yours, Haley.

2150
01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:40,000
All right. Good evening.

2151
01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:44,000
This is a site plan for a Chase Bank at Razor Ranch.

2152
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:47,159
The request before you is for approval of a site plan for

2153
01:55:47,159 --> 01:55:49,000
the site outlined in yellow on the map.

2154
01:55:49,000 --> 01:55:52,000
The use is a proposed Chase Bank location, as I mentioned.

2155
01:55:52,000 --> 01:55:55,600
The property is approximately 1.36 acres, located on the

2156
01:55:55,600 --> 01:56:00,000
south side of University along Town Center Boulevard.

2157
01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:02,630
The base zoning for the property is Regional Center

2158
01:56:02,630 --> 01:56:04,000
Commercial Downtown.

2159
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:07,000
However, there is an overlay for this particular area that

2160
01:56:07,000 --> 01:56:09,000
you see colored and shaded on the map.

2161
01:56:09,000 --> 01:56:12,000
This is all part of the Razor Ranch Overlay District.

2162
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:15,390
The subject property is part of what's called the South RR2

2163
01:56:15,390 --> 01:56:16,000
District,

2164
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:19,170
which is a primarily commercial kind of highway style

2165
01:56:19,170 --> 01:56:24,000
development that outlines the town center of Razor Ranch.

2166
01:56:24,000 --> 01:56:26,210
All site plans for properties within Razor Ranch are

2167
01:56:26,210 --> 01:56:28,000
required to come to P&Z for approval.

2168
01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:31,340
In particular, the South RR2 District is subject to the

2169
01:56:31,340 --> 01:56:35,319
standards for architecture and landscaping with an exhibit

2170
01:56:35,319 --> 01:56:38,000
C1 and D1 of the overlay.

2171
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:40,899
As part of the site plan, you will see not only the site

2172
01:56:40,899 --> 01:56:44,060
plan itself, but also the landscape plan and the building

2173
01:56:44,060 --> 01:56:45,000
elevations.

2174
01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:47,390
The Razor Ranch Overlay District does outline criteria for

2175
01:56:47,390 --> 01:56:48,000
approval.

2176
01:56:48,000 --> 01:56:51,539
There are four, the first being that the site plan complies

2177
01:56:51,539 --> 01:56:53,000
with that concept plan,

2178
01:56:53,000 --> 01:56:55,539
which we just saw which outlined the districts and where

2179
01:56:55,539 --> 01:56:58,000
the general use types would go within the overlay.

2180
01:56:58,000 --> 01:57:00,380
The second being that the plan provides for a compatible

2181
01:57:00,380 --> 01:57:03,210
arrangement of buildings and land uses that wouldn't advers

2182
01:57:03,210 --> 01:57:05,000
ely affect adjoining properties.

2183
01:57:05,000 --> 01:57:07,720
Third being the site plan provides for adequate and safe

2184
01:57:07,720 --> 01:57:09,000
vehicular circulation.

2185
01:57:09,000 --> 01:57:12,000
And then finally that it complies with all other sections

2186
01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:13,000
of the overlay.

2187
01:57:13,000 --> 01:57:15,979
So now we'll go through these pieces in detail so that you

2188
01:57:15,979 --> 01:57:19,000
can see how it is in compliance with these standards.

2189
01:57:19,000 --> 01:57:20,869
So looking at the site plan, you can see the building

2190
01:57:20,869 --> 01:57:22,000
itself is outlined in blue.

2191
01:57:22,000 --> 01:57:24,000
It's approximately 4,800 square feet.

2192
01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:27,000
The use itself is permitted within the RR2 District.

2193
01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:29,489
Banks are considered both a professional service and in

2194
01:57:29,489 --> 01:57:32,020
this case also a drive-through because it has four drive-

2195
01:57:32,020 --> 01:57:34,250
through lanes you see there on the south side of the

2196
01:57:34,250 --> 01:57:35,000
building.

2197
01:57:35,000 --> 01:57:39,000
The site plan reflects 42 parking spaces.

2198
01:57:39,000 --> 01:57:42,130
16 are required based on the city's parking standards as

2199
01:57:42,130 --> 01:57:43,000
the minimum.

2200
01:57:43,000 --> 01:57:45,569
Razor Ranch is a little bit different than the rest of the

2201
01:57:45,569 --> 01:57:48,609
city, whereas our minimum is our maximum for site plans

2202
01:57:48,609 --> 01:57:50,000
elsewhere in the city.

2203
01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:54,300
The overlay district for Razor Ranch actually excludes that

2204
01:57:54,300 --> 01:57:57,680
maximum and allows for excess parking within the

2205
01:57:57,680 --> 01:57:59,000
development.

2206
01:57:59,000 --> 01:58:02,069
In terms of access to the site, they would have one primary

2207
01:58:02,069 --> 01:58:04,000
entrance that's circled in red.

2208
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:07,000
This is off of an internal drive aisle within the overlay.

2209
01:58:07,000 --> 01:58:09,810
It would be a shared driveway with the restaurant that adjo

2210
01:58:09,810 --> 01:58:11,000
ins them to the west.

2211
01:58:11,000 --> 01:58:13,819
And then off of that you can see where the cars would enter

2212
01:58:13,819 --> 01:58:16,000
the drive-through here on the west side.

2213
01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:18,539
There are four lanes there that would provide for adequate

2214
01:58:18,539 --> 01:58:20,000
stacking space for vehicles.

2215
01:58:20,000 --> 01:58:22,000
And then there is this kind of loop around the site,

2216
01:58:22,000 --> 01:58:24,590
whereas once those vehicles exit, they could go either

2217
01:58:24,590 --> 01:58:28,550
north or south to get out of the property back to the main

2218
01:58:28,550 --> 01:58:30,000
drive aisle.

2219
01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:33,149
Looking at the landscaping for the site, the overlay

2220
01:58:33,149 --> 01:58:37,069
requires a minimum of 10% landscaping and a minimum of 25%

2221
01:58:37,069 --> 01:58:38,000
tree canopy.

2222
01:58:38,000 --> 01:58:42,210
So the site is providing 32% landscaping and 32% tree

2223
01:58:42,210 --> 01:58:45,000
canopy, so well above that minimum.

2224
01:58:45,000 --> 01:58:48,340
Another component of Razor is the requirement for plaza

2225
01:58:48,340 --> 01:58:51,000
area to be pedestrian-friendly spaces.

2226
01:58:51,000 --> 01:58:53,399
So outlined in orange on the map is where that plaza area

2227
01:58:53,399 --> 01:58:54,000
would be.

2228
01:58:54,000 --> 01:58:56,399
So it will include benches for pedestrian seating outside

2229
01:58:56,399 --> 01:59:00,149
of the bank, as well as shade trees and landscaping plan

2230
01:59:00,149 --> 01:59:03,000
ters to enhance the exterior area.

2231
01:59:03,000 --> 01:59:05,199
An additional requirement that I wanted to point out is

2232
01:59:05,199 --> 01:59:07,550
that the overlay requires screening of the drive-through

2233
01:59:07,550 --> 01:59:09,000
from adjacent drive aisles.

2234
01:59:09,000 --> 01:59:12,300
So they have provided additional landscaping in the form of

2235
01:59:12,300 --> 01:59:15,449
shrubs and low plants here on the exterior in addition to

2236
01:59:15,449 --> 01:59:17,000
their perimeter trees.

2237
01:59:17,000 --> 01:59:20,699
And then they are providing a low masonry wall on the south

2238
01:59:20,699 --> 01:59:24,180
side of the drive-through to screen it from that drive

2239
01:59:24,180 --> 01:59:25,000
aisle.

2240
01:59:25,000 --> 01:59:27,569
Also within Razor, there are architectural standards that

2241
01:59:27,569 --> 01:59:30,000
requires kind of a uniform theming of the buildings.

2242
01:59:30,000 --> 01:59:32,880
One of the key components being the usage of native Texas

2243
01:59:32,880 --> 01:59:35,000
stone and limestone on the building.

2244
01:59:35,000 --> 01:59:37,539
So you can see here they are using a mixture of limestone,

2245
01:59:37,539 --> 01:59:40,479
brick, and stucco that are within the color palette for Raz

2246
01:59:40,479 --> 01:59:44,000
or Ranch and generally consistent with the area.

2247
01:59:44,000 --> 01:59:45,550
Just looking at the other side of the building here for

2248
01:59:45,550 --> 01:59:48,699
reference, that low masonry wall would be located somewhere

2249
01:59:48,699 --> 01:59:52,000
in this area just outside of the drive-through canopy.

2250
01:59:52,000 --> 01:59:55,000
So staff is recommending approval of the site plan.

2251
01:59:55,000 --> 01:59:56,840
We found it to be compliant with all the standards of the

2252
01:59:56,840 --> 01:59:58,840
Razor Overlay District as well as the criteria for approval

2253
01:59:58,840 --> 01:59:59,000
.

2254
01:59:59,000 --> 02:00:04,000
I'm happy to answer any questions you might have.

2255
02:00:04,000 --> 02:00:07,000
I do not see any. Thank you, Haley.

2256
02:00:07,000 --> 02:00:10,000
This item is an individual consideration item.

2257
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:14,600
However, if you do wish to speak, we can certainly allow

2258
02:00:14,600 --> 02:00:16,000
for speakers.

2259
02:00:16,000 --> 02:00:25,000
Is there anyone wishing to speak on the item?

2260
02:00:25,000 --> 02:00:29,079
If you could just state your name and address for the

2261
02:00:29,079 --> 02:00:30,000
record.

2262
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:34,060
My name is Matthew Craig and I'm with CUNY List Design. We

2263
02:00:34,060 --> 02:00:35,000
're here representing the bank.

2264
02:00:35,000 --> 02:00:40,000
My address is 2080 North Highway 360 in Grand Prairie.

2265
02:00:40,000 --> 02:00:43,399
There was a couple items brought up and I wanted to just in

2266
02:00:43,399 --> 02:00:45,000
the planning meeting.

2267
02:00:45,000 --> 02:00:49,140
First, yes, it is a relocation of the branch that's at West

2268
02:00:49,140 --> 02:00:51,000
University in Hinkle.

2269
02:00:51,000 --> 02:00:54,960
The second one on the parking, because it's a retail and a

2270
02:00:54,960 --> 02:00:59,090
financial center, it will be staffed from 11 to 18

2271
02:00:59,090 --> 02:01:00,000
employees.

2272
02:01:00,000 --> 02:01:05,529
So there's the 42 spaces. We were expecting 20 of them to

2273
02:01:05,529 --> 02:01:07,000
be used by staff.

2274
02:01:07,000 --> 02:01:11,659
So that's why there's such a large number of parking spaces

2275
02:01:11,659 --> 02:01:12,000
.

2276
02:01:12,000 --> 02:01:15,000
The other item that was brought up, the bike racks.

2277
02:01:15,000 --> 02:01:19,529
Yes, something we can definitely will add to the plan when

2278
02:01:19,529 --> 02:01:22,000
we come forward with the CDs.

2279
02:01:22,000 --> 02:01:24,000
Perfect. I appreciate addressing those issues brought up.

2280
02:01:24,000 --> 02:01:27,600
Is there any other questions of the applicant? Commissioner

2281
02:01:27,600 --> 02:01:28,000
Ellis.

2282
02:01:28,000 --> 02:01:30,590
Thank you, Chair. Actually, not a question, but just thank

2283
02:01:30,590 --> 02:01:32,430
you for listening to our concerns and thank you for

2284
02:01:32,430 --> 02:01:34,000
addressing them. We appreciate it.

2285
02:01:34,000 --> 02:01:40,000
Thank you.

2286
02:01:40,000 --> 02:01:44,289
Seeing no other discussion, we can talk amongst ourselves

2287
02:01:44,289 --> 02:01:47,000
or motion. Commissioner Smith.

2288
02:01:47,000 --> 02:01:50,359
Make a motion for approval. Commissioner Ellis. Thank you,

2289
02:01:50,359 --> 02:01:51,000
Chair. Second.

2290
02:01:51,000 --> 02:01:54,000
We have a first and a second. Any discussion on the item?

2291
02:01:54,000 --> 02:02:09,000
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote on the board.

2292
02:02:09,000 --> 02:02:21,000
Motion carries six zero with one recusal.

2293
02:02:21,000 --> 02:02:31,140
That moves us to the Republic hearing. Now invite

2294
02:02:31,140 --> 02:02:39,000
Commissioner Pernetta back to the dais.

2295
02:02:39,000 --> 02:02:46,430
With five a being postponed, we will move to five B S

2296
02:02:46,430 --> 02:02:51,000
eighteen dash zero zero six. I will open the public hearing

2297
02:02:51,000 --> 02:02:51,000
and invite Haley for presentation.

2298
02:02:51,000 --> 02:02:54,510
All right. Good evening. This is a specific use permit

2299
02:02:54,510 --> 02:02:58,000
request for a McDonald's drive through.

2300
02:02:58,000 --> 02:03:10,000
The subject property is outlined in yellow on the map. It

2301
02:03:10,000 --> 02:03:10,000
is approximately one point six nine acres in size. As you

2302
02:03:10,000 --> 02:03:10,000
can see, it's located at the northeast corner of the

2303
02:03:10,000 --> 02:03:10,000
intersection of I thirty five east and Fort Worth Drive.

2304
02:03:10,000 --> 02:03:13,369
I wanted to point out that the property and the one point

2305
02:03:13,369 --> 02:03:16,729
six nine acres is actually comprised of pieces of three

2306
02:03:16,729 --> 02:03:20,069
parcels that were all bisected by text dots right of way

2307
02:03:20,069 --> 02:03:24,000
acquisition for their ultimate build out of I thirty five.

2308
02:03:24,000 --> 02:03:26,770
The property is zoned downtown commercial general. So this

2309
02:03:26,770 --> 02:03:29,210
is one of our kind of mixed use high dense high intensity

2310
02:03:29,210 --> 02:03:33,109
districts. The restaurant use is permitted by right. The

2311
02:03:33,109 --> 02:03:35,000
drive through is the component that requires the specific

2312
02:03:35,000 --> 02:03:38,000
use permit.

2313
02:03:38,000 --> 02:03:41,369
The DDC outlines numerous criteria for approval for an

2314
02:03:41,369 --> 02:03:44,090
issue. They all kind of center around the idea of

2315
02:03:44,090 --> 02:03:46,000
compatibility and consistency.

2316
02:03:46,000 --> 02:03:49,149
So just to summarize these some of the key elements are

2317
02:03:49,149 --> 02:03:52,720
that the use wouldn't impede the development of surrounding

2318
02:03:52,720 --> 02:03:56,149
properties that adequate parking is provided for the site

2319
02:03:56,149 --> 02:03:58,000
as well as adequate access.

2320
02:03:58,000 --> 02:04:01,390
Nuisance prevention is a key element. So looking at things

2321
02:04:01,390 --> 02:04:04,729
like odor fumes lighting nuisances that may be generated as

2322
02:04:04,729 --> 02:04:07,779
well as landscaping and screening and architectural

2323
02:04:07,779 --> 02:04:09,000
compatibility.

2324
02:04:09,000 --> 02:04:11,779
So I want to kind of walk through the specifics of what's

2325
02:04:11,779 --> 02:04:14,810
proposed here for this. So you can see in blue the building

2326
02:04:14,810 --> 02:04:18,000
footprint would be just over 5000 square feet.

2327
02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:20,449
They are proposing along with the building a two lane drive

2328
02:04:20,449 --> 02:04:23,149
through. So the kind of yellow stars on the map indicate

2329
02:04:23,149 --> 02:04:25,000
where those order points would be.

2330
02:04:25,000 --> 02:04:28,359
So you can see it is two lanes of a drive through that

2331
02:04:28,359 --> 02:04:32,279
funnel down to one with two windows in the building. So you

2332
02:04:32,279 --> 02:04:34,930
would have the cash window and then the pickup window as

2333
02:04:34,930 --> 02:04:37,000
separate locations on the building.

2334
02:04:37,000 --> 02:04:39,810
They are providing 50 parking spaces which meets the DDC

2335
02:04:39,810 --> 02:04:42,000
requirement for a restaurant of this size.

2336
02:04:42,000 --> 02:04:44,829
And then there are three driveway locations which are circ

2337
02:04:44,829 --> 02:04:46,000
led in red on the map.

2338
02:04:46,000 --> 02:04:49,600
So one driveway would be this access point off of the I-35

2339
02:04:49,600 --> 02:04:52,000
frontage road here on the south side.

2340
02:04:52,000 --> 02:04:55,000
The second point would be off of South Locust Street.

2341
02:04:55,000 --> 02:04:57,550
And then the third would be a cross connection to the bank

2342
02:04:57,550 --> 02:04:59,949
property to the north which is required by the Denton

2343
02:04:59,949 --> 02:05:03,000
Development Code for commercial properties to interconnect.

2344
02:05:03,000 --> 02:05:05,800
And then just also wanted to point out there is kind of a

2345
02:05:05,800 --> 02:05:08,739
fourth access point if you look further north on the site

2346
02:05:08,739 --> 02:05:12,369
there is a northern driveway in the bank property where

2347
02:05:12,369 --> 02:05:15,939
traffic could also cut through and exit further up on Fort

2348
02:05:15,939 --> 02:05:17,000
Worth Drive.

2349
02:05:17,000 --> 02:05:20,619
Looking at the landscape plan, one of the key elements that

2350
02:05:20,619 --> 02:05:23,970
staff analyzed on this case was kind of that screening and

2351
02:05:23,970 --> 02:05:27,399
compatibility to kind of limit any visual impacts that the

2352
02:05:27,399 --> 02:05:29,000
drive through may have.

2353
02:05:29,000 --> 02:05:31,350
So I wanted to point out the site is exceeding the minimum

2354
02:05:31,350 --> 02:05:33,000
landscape requirement of 15%.

2355
02:05:33,000 --> 02:05:36,000
They have approximately 27% landscaping on the site.

2356
02:05:36,000 --> 02:05:39,100
They are required a type C buffer because there's a multif

2357
02:05:39,100 --> 02:05:42,000
amily use that adjoins them to the north and east.

2358
02:05:42,000 --> 02:05:45,300
So outlined in light green is that buffer area where they

2359
02:05:45,300 --> 02:05:48,000
've provided all the required plantings.

2360
02:05:48,000 --> 02:05:49,869
And then as I mentioned the screening at the right of way

2361
02:05:49,869 --> 02:05:51,000
was one of our key concerns.

2362
02:05:51,000 --> 02:05:54,039
So you can see here they've provided the minimum parking

2363
02:05:54,039 --> 02:05:57,149
lot screening that the code requires which is kind of a shr

2364
02:05:57,149 --> 02:06:00,000
ub row, some screening trees as well as a berm.

2365
02:06:00,000 --> 02:06:02,979
They've also provided all of the street trees that are

2366
02:06:02,979 --> 02:06:06,289
required as well as some enhanced landscaping around things

2367
02:06:06,289 --> 02:06:09,449
such as their proposed signs and then the drive through

2368
02:06:09,449 --> 02:06:12,739
itself has some enhanced landscaping that you can see there

2369
02:06:12,739 --> 02:06:13,000
.

2370
02:06:13,000 --> 02:06:15,239
Looking at the building itself, these are kind of the sch

2371
02:06:15,239 --> 02:06:16,000
ematics for it.

2372
02:06:16,000 --> 02:06:19,789
So it is a mixture of masonry and architectural metal

2373
02:06:19,789 --> 02:06:21,000
components.

2374
02:06:21,000 --> 02:06:23,289
It is one of the prototypes that McDonald's has out

2375
02:06:23,289 --> 02:06:24,000
currently.

2376
02:06:24,000 --> 02:06:26,000
So here are the color renderings of that.

2377
02:06:26,000 --> 02:06:28,699
So you can see a neutral color palette with some accent

2378
02:06:28,699 --> 02:06:31,279
colors of yellow on the building keeping with their

2379
02:06:31,279 --> 02:06:32,000
branding.

2380
02:06:32,000 --> 02:06:34,220
And then on the bottom side here you can see the actual

2381
02:06:34,220 --> 02:06:36,000
drive through features themselves.

2382
02:06:36,000 --> 02:06:41,000
So fairly standard for a restaurant of this type.

2383
02:06:41,000 --> 02:06:43,439
Some of the additional analysis that staff did was look at

2384
02:06:43,439 --> 02:06:45,840
the future land use designation of the property which is

2385
02:06:45,840 --> 02:06:47,000
community mixed use.

2386
02:06:47,000 --> 02:06:49,859
So this is a designation that applies to predominantly

2387
02:06:49,859 --> 02:06:51,000
commercial areas.

2388
02:06:51,000 --> 02:06:54,250
So it's something you would typically see along our major

2389
02:06:54,250 --> 02:06:58,000
thoroughfare such as Highway 377 and the interstate.

2390
02:06:58,000 --> 02:07:00,289
In this area we encourage infill and attractive redevelop

2391
02:07:00,289 --> 02:07:01,000
ment of sites.

2392
02:07:01,000 --> 02:07:03,859
So this checks that box as well since this is three sites

2393
02:07:03,859 --> 02:07:06,810
that were taken out of commission with TechStops right of

2394
02:07:06,810 --> 02:07:08,000
way acquisition.

2395
02:07:08,000 --> 02:07:11,630
And then we found that the proposed commercial use is

2396
02:07:11,630 --> 02:07:15,520
consistent with the parameters for community mixed use

2397
02:07:15,520 --> 02:07:16,000
areas.

2398
02:07:16,000 --> 02:07:18,289
Looking at what's surrounding the property we have a

2399
02:07:18,289 --> 02:07:21,000
mixture of commercial and multifamily uses in this area.

2400
02:07:21,000 --> 02:07:24,359
There's a bank as well as a graphic design facility to the

2401
02:07:24,359 --> 02:07:25,000
north.

2402
02:07:25,000 --> 02:07:28,000
Multifamily as I mentioned here to the north and east.

2403
02:07:28,000 --> 02:07:30,689
And then across Fort Worth Drive we have a service station

2404
02:07:30,689 --> 02:07:33,000
as well as some other fast food restaurants.

2405
02:07:33,000 --> 02:07:35,520
So this is consistent with this type of development in the

2406
02:07:35,520 --> 02:07:36,000
area.

2407
02:07:36,000 --> 02:07:38,619
Unlikely to generate any nuisances for those properties

2408
02:07:38,619 --> 02:07:40,000
since the uses are so similar.

2409
02:07:40,000 --> 02:07:43,239
And it's also consistent with just kind of the auto

2410
02:07:43,239 --> 02:07:47,000
oriented pattern that we have in this part of the city.

2411
02:07:47,000 --> 02:07:50,000
Notification was sent for this request.

2412
02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:53,000
We received no responses to that legal notice to date.

2413
02:07:53,000 --> 02:07:57,569
The applicant didn't hold a neighborhood meeting in this

2414
02:07:57,569 --> 02:07:58,000
case.

2415
02:07:58,000 --> 02:08:00,279
And they did however post the required signs on the

2416
02:08:00,279 --> 02:08:02,000
property since the end of August.

2417
02:08:02,000 --> 02:08:05,119
Those signs have been up to alert the neighbors and drive

2418
02:08:05,119 --> 02:08:06,000
by traffic.

2419
02:08:06,000 --> 02:08:08,470
Staff is recommending approval of the request with one

2420
02:08:08,470 --> 02:08:09,000
condition.

2421
02:08:09,000 --> 02:08:11,829
That the provided site plan, landscape plan and building

2422
02:08:11,829 --> 02:08:14,000
elevations be considered preliminary.

2423
02:08:14,000 --> 02:08:16,359
Therefore a full site plan submittal would be required to

2424
02:08:16,359 --> 02:08:19,390
ensure that the development complies with all requirements

2425
02:08:19,390 --> 02:08:20,000
of the DDC.

2426
02:08:20,000 --> 02:08:23,479
As they move through the engineering and design of the site

2427
02:08:23,479 --> 02:08:25,000
with their platting.

2428
02:08:25,000 --> 02:08:27,000
And I'd be happy to answer any questions you might have.

2429
02:08:27,000 --> 02:08:28,000
Thank you Haley.

2430
02:08:28,000 --> 02:08:29,000
Commissioner Ellis.

2431
02:08:29,000 --> 02:08:30,000
Thank you Chair.

2432
02:08:30,000 --> 02:08:32,000
Haley one thing we didn't talk about in work session was

2433
02:08:32,000 --> 02:08:35,079
there was a drive through fast food place on one of these

2434
02:08:35,079 --> 02:08:36,000
sites right?

2435
02:08:36,000 --> 02:08:37,000
Correct.

2436
02:08:37,000 --> 02:08:39,000
The middle one I think or something like that.

2437
02:08:39,000 --> 02:08:42,000
If you look at the map I believe the taco comando is here.

2438
02:08:42,000 --> 02:08:44,979
So there was previously a drive through that actually pred

2439
02:08:44,979 --> 02:08:48,000
ated our current development code that requires the SUP.

2440
02:08:48,000 --> 02:08:53,000
Okay thanks.

2441
02:08:53,000 --> 02:08:55,000
I do not see any other questions.

2442
02:08:55,000 --> 02:08:56,000
Thank you.

2443
02:08:56,000 --> 02:08:57,000
This is a public hearing.

2444
02:08:57,000 --> 02:08:59,000
We do have one card requesting to speak.

2445
02:08:59,000 --> 02:09:04,000
It is the Red Plains professionals.

2446
02:09:04,000 --> 02:09:06,000
If you could come down.

2447
02:09:06,000 --> 02:09:09,130
As a group there's a total of 20 minutes to speak but 10

2448
02:09:09,130 --> 02:09:10,000
per speaker.

2449
02:09:10,000 --> 02:09:12,000
10 minutes per speaker.

2450
02:09:12,000 --> 02:09:15,000
If you could state your name and address for the record.

2451
02:09:15,000 --> 02:09:20,189
Greg Massey with Red Plains professionals 2933 South Bryant

2452
02:09:20,189 --> 02:09:25,000
Edmond, Oklahoma representing the applicant McDonald's.

2453
02:09:25,000 --> 02:09:27,000
Haley did such a wonderful job introducing this.

2454
02:09:27,000 --> 02:09:30,630
I don't want to occupy your time regurgitating what she's

2455
02:09:30,630 --> 02:09:32,000
already told you.

2456
02:09:32,000 --> 02:09:35,760
Please be aware this is a relocation from their previous

2457
02:09:35,760 --> 02:09:39,050
site which was located on North Texas Boulevard

2458
02:09:39,050 --> 02:09:45,000
approximately a mile northwest of this location.

2459
02:09:45,000 --> 02:09:49,180
There's been a lot of work done to come up with this

2460
02:09:49,180 --> 02:09:54,000
location as an acceptable alternative for McDonald's.

2461
02:09:54,000 --> 02:09:58,090
We will be happy to answer any questions that Planning

2462
02:09:58,090 --> 02:10:00,000
Commission has of us.

2463
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:02,000
We do have a couple questions.

2464
02:10:02,000 --> 02:10:03,000
Commissioner Ellis are you still?

2465
02:10:03,000 --> 02:10:04,000
Okay.

2466
02:10:04,000 --> 02:10:05,000
Commissioner Beck.

2467
02:10:05,000 --> 02:10:06,000
Thank you Chair.

2468
02:10:06,000 --> 02:10:07,000
Thank you Mr. Massey.

2469
02:10:07,000 --> 02:10:08,000
Yes.

2470
02:10:08,000 --> 02:10:09,000
Thank you for your presentation.

2471
02:10:09,000 --> 02:10:12,539
Personally I'm glad to see that you're getting rebuilt

2472
02:10:12,539 --> 02:10:15,520
there and filling in this area that's been vacant for so

2473
02:10:15,520 --> 02:10:16,000
long.

2474
02:10:16,000 --> 02:10:21,000
I'll miss the taco bueno.

2475
02:10:21,000 --> 02:10:24,220
Looking forward to as you as you do develop this thing in

2476
02:10:24,220 --> 02:10:27,670
the landscaping everything I appreciate the fact that you

2477
02:10:27,670 --> 02:10:30,689
're not only meeting city criteria but exceeding as far as

2478
02:10:30,689 --> 02:10:32,000
putting your tree landscape up front.

2479
02:10:32,000 --> 02:10:35,000
Just quick question about signage.

2480
02:10:35,000 --> 02:10:38,760
What are you looking at for your I 35 frontage road sign

2481
02:10:38,760 --> 02:10:41,000
and the Fort Worth Street site.

2482
02:10:41,000 --> 02:10:55,000
Well, again, we're expecting. We're anticipating following

2483
02:10:55,000 --> 02:10:55,000
city code as far as signage and based on the fact we have

2484
02:10:55,000 --> 02:10:55,000
frontage on essentially three public streets we are only

2485
02:10:55,000 --> 02:10:55,000
looking for two signs.

2486
02:10:55,000 --> 02:11:03,880
We're looking for I believe 40 foot is the maximum on the I

2487
02:11:03,880 --> 02:11:11,119
35 frontage, and then a secondary sign. Excuse me, on

2488
02:11:11,119 --> 02:11:11,750
Highway 377 Fort Worth Boulevard, 20 foot, I believe, and

2489
02:11:11,750 --> 02:11:12,000
both of those.

2490
02:11:12,000 --> 02:11:15,409
The one on Fort Worth Boulevard I believe is required to be

2491
02:11:15,409 --> 02:11:19,039
a monument sign with, and we will be providing significant

2492
02:11:19,039 --> 02:11:22,350
amount of landscaping around the base of both of those so

2493
02:11:22,350 --> 02:11:26,000
you'll be doing the monument sign on the Fort Worth Street

2494
02:11:26,000 --> 02:11:26,000
side.

2495
02:11:26,000 --> 02:11:31,000
Yes. Okay, which is going to be 20 feet. I believe that's

2496
02:11:31,000 --> 02:11:33,000
for that's the maximum.

2497
02:11:33,000 --> 02:11:36,659
It will be per code and I believe that was identified as

2498
02:11:36,659 --> 02:11:40,819
the highway sign could be 40 foot, and then the monument

2499
02:11:40,819 --> 02:11:46,420
sign would have to be 20 foot maximum. Okay, very good.

2500
02:11:46,420 --> 02:11:48,000
Thank you.

2501
02:11:48,000 --> 02:11:50,760
I do not see any other questions. Thanks for coming in and

2502
02:11:50,760 --> 02:11:53,000
being here available. Thank you.

2503
02:11:53,000 --> 02:11:58,500
This is a public hearing, if anyone else wishes to speak on

2504
02:11:58,500 --> 02:12:02,000
the item, more than welcome to do so.

2505
02:12:02,000 --> 02:12:04,880
Seeing no one else to speak I will close the public hearing

2506
02:12:04,880 --> 02:12:07,000
and open it for a motion or discussion.

2507
02:12:07,000 --> 02:12:11,729
Commissioner Smith motion to approve s 18 dash 0006 with

2508
02:12:11,729 --> 02:12:15,000
the condition. Yes, with the staff condition I apologize.

2509
02:12:15,000 --> 02:12:17,000
Commissioner Ellis.

2510
02:12:17,000 --> 02:12:18,000
Second.

2511
02:12:18,000 --> 02:12:21,420
We have a first and a second is there any discussion on the

2512
02:12:21,420 --> 02:12:22,000
item.

2513
02:12:22,000 --> 02:12:29,000
Seeing none I will call for a motion on the board.

2514
02:12:29,000 --> 02:12:45,000
Motion carries seven zero. Congratulations.

2515
02:12:45,000 --> 02:12:53,359
Five see again has been postponed till October 10 meeting

2516
02:12:53,359 --> 02:13:00,430
that moves us to our final item, which is our project

2517
02:13:00,430 --> 02:13:02,000
matrix.

2518
02:13:02,000 --> 02:13:06,300
Just wanted to provide just a little bit, a little bit

2519
02:13:06,300 --> 02:13:10,960
update on. There were two memos that were attached, one

2520
02:13:10,960 --> 02:13:16,000
from solid waste, and the other from from Heywood regarding

2521
02:13:16,000 --> 02:13:16,000
.

2522
02:13:16,000 --> 02:13:18,000
Excuse me.

2523
02:13:18,000 --> 02:13:21,000
Regarding the tree protection standards.

2524
02:13:21,000 --> 02:13:25,529
I know that that in speaking with public. I'm sorry solid

2525
02:13:25,529 --> 02:13:30,449
waste. If there was additional information needed from that

2526
02:13:30,449 --> 02:13:35,000
, in addition to that to what was provided in the memo.

2527
02:13:35,000 --> 02:13:38,670
They could, I think would be willing to come. I just wanted

2528
02:13:38,670 --> 02:13:41,460
to, I think what they want to do is at least provide that

2529
02:13:41,460 --> 02:13:43,000
provide that memo to you.

2530
02:13:43,000 --> 02:13:55,170
Commissioner Ellis. Thank you, Jim. Thank you for that memo

2531
02:13:55,170 --> 02:13:55,409
in there, Richard. I did have questions on it. So should I

2532
02:13:55,409 --> 02:13:55,640
dress Mr Cox directly or or if you just want to, if you don

2533
02:13:55,640 --> 02:13:58,000
't mind just keeping me keeping me in the loop that way.

2534
02:13:58,000 --> 02:14:01,350
I just have an idea. And then even for my own. Yeah, my own

2535
02:14:01,350 --> 02:14:05,000
knowledge. Yeah. Okay. Sounds good. Thanks.

2536
02:14:05,000 --> 02:14:08,300
One other thing I want to point out. I know we initially

2537
02:14:08,300 --> 02:14:11,720
were looking at having traffic engineering, most likely

2538
02:14:11,720 --> 02:14:13,000
going to have them.

2539
02:14:13,000 --> 02:14:16,329
I'm going to try to have them come on on 1024 for that

2540
02:14:16,329 --> 02:14:19,819
update. And then with that I'll also include that update

2541
02:14:19,819 --> 02:14:23,090
for for the notification process on on infrastructure

2542
02:14:23,090 --> 02:14:24,000
projects.

2543
02:14:24,000 --> 02:14:27,600
There are a number of traffic studies that the city is

2544
02:14:27,600 --> 02:14:31,430
undertaking. I think it's probably a good idea at that

2545
02:14:31,430 --> 02:14:35,250
point in time to have an update from from pre tem. One of

2546
02:14:35,250 --> 02:14:37,520
those areas that we're looking at is along the Sherman

2547
02:14:37,520 --> 02:14:38,000
corridor.

2548
02:14:38,000 --> 02:14:41,180
North of essentially just south of the loop and north and

2549
02:14:41,180 --> 02:14:44,159
just looking at the overall impacts as a result of the

2550
02:14:44,159 --> 02:14:47,300
development that was really from Stark farms. If you

2551
02:14:47,300 --> 02:14:48,000
remember.

2552
02:14:48,000 --> 02:14:52,050
Additionally, a traffic study. It's actually somewhat begun

2553
02:14:52,050 --> 02:14:56,609
. We are collecting traffic counts again. So this would be

2554
02:14:56,609 --> 02:15:07,220
the area from Ryan Road south and then from Country Club

2555
02:15:07,220 --> 02:15:09,000
over to

2556
02:15:09,000 --> 02:15:13,810
I think it goes all the way over to T.C. I have to remember

2557
02:15:13,810 --> 02:15:15,529
what that what the eastern eastern road is. But we are

2558
02:15:15,529 --> 02:15:17,020
looking at that. We'll be looking at that area

2559
02:15:17,020 --> 02:15:20,000
comprehensively. And so I know there we've actually

2560
02:15:20,000 --> 02:15:21,000
planning staff has been

2561
02:15:21,000 --> 02:15:24,300
I think this for the first time meeting with traffic

2562
02:15:24,300 --> 02:15:28,069
engineering and talking planning and future and how to how

2563
02:15:28,069 --> 02:15:32,279
to do this. So it's kind of it's it's daunting but it's fun

2564
02:15:32,279 --> 02:15:34,000
in the same in the same token.

2565
02:15:34,000 --> 02:15:37,520
And then we'll be gearing up to do the same same on the for

2566
02:15:37,520 --> 02:15:39,000
that southern study.

2567
02:15:39,000 --> 02:15:43,399
Trish or else. Thank you. Chair Richard with that. You know

2568
02:15:43,399 --> 02:15:46,149
we used to have traffic engineering here back in the day at

2569
02:15:46,149 --> 02:15:52,260
our meetings. I missed that because we often have have lots

2570
02:15:52,260 --> 02:15:55,000
of questions with regard to that.

2571
02:15:55,000 --> 02:15:59,020
But knowing that that may not be able to happen. I think if

2572
02:15:59,020 --> 02:16:02,970
we could get engineering in our work sessions a handful of

2573
02:16:02,970 --> 02:16:06,989
times a year maybe quarterly something like that to update

2574
02:16:06,989 --> 02:16:10,520
us and keep us apprised of what's going on I think that

2575
02:16:10,520 --> 02:16:13,369
would help tremendously and certainly help all of our

2576
02:16:13,369 --> 02:16:15,000
knowledge bases.

2577
02:16:15,000 --> 02:16:19,159
Especially as these projects come forward. And there's so

2578
02:16:19,159 --> 02:16:22,989
many things sort of happening and changes I think it's it

2579
02:16:22,989 --> 02:16:27,000
would be beneficial to just have that that update of what's

2580
02:16:27,000 --> 02:16:30,000
going on and where the plan is.

2581
02:16:30,000 --> 02:16:34,000
Chris Sanchez this will be what he issued. I know last time

2582
02:16:34,000 --> 02:16:37,479
last meeting we had was an individual here and he was

2583
02:16:37,479 --> 02:16:41,290
talking about how we're keep building and pushing all the

2584
02:16:41,290 --> 02:16:45,129
traffic onto existing roads but we haven't I haven't seen

2585
02:16:45,129 --> 02:16:47,000
anything any kind of planning.

2586
02:16:47,000 --> 02:16:51,770
What's the long term plan on creating new roads to take not

2587
02:16:51,770 --> 02:16:54,000
just push all traffic into the.

2588
02:16:54,000 --> 02:17:00,000
Is there anything going on out there to address that issue.

2589
02:17:00,000 --> 02:17:00,000
Yes.

2590
02:17:00,000 --> 02:17:04,000
So there is my.

2591
02:17:04,000 --> 02:17:08,479
There there's currently the city has a mobility plan that

2592
02:17:08,479 --> 02:17:11,000
that we often refer to.

2593
02:17:11,000 --> 02:17:15,030
It really needs it really needs to be updated and

2594
02:17:15,030 --> 02:17:19,979
engineering I believe council had approved a request. I

2595
02:17:19,979 --> 02:17:24,920
think they've already started putting the RFP together to

2596
02:17:24,920 --> 02:17:28,000
do a traffic waste plan for the city.

2597
02:17:28,000 --> 02:17:32,879
But but looking at all components of it so what roads need

2598
02:17:32,879 --> 02:17:37,750
to be built and what which locations and where what's and

2599
02:17:37,750 --> 02:17:41,000
what what what with but with that.

2600
02:17:41,000 --> 02:17:43,639
So it's a little bit broader than just just the mobility

2601
02:17:43,639 --> 02:17:46,459
but also then incorporating bike and pedestrian as part of

2602
02:17:46,459 --> 02:17:47,000
that.

2603
02:17:47,000 --> 02:17:50,729
And so that way we it's a little bit more there's a little

2604
02:17:50,729 --> 02:17:54,549
bit more science to it. I think we often are challenged

2605
02:17:54,549 --> 02:17:58,299
with looking at the mobility plan and if you ever look at

2606
02:17:58,299 --> 02:18:01,000
it there there's lines on there that.

2607
02:18:01,000 --> 02:18:04,200
Whether they make sense or not. It is what it is but but it

2608
02:18:04,200 --> 02:18:07,510
definitely needs to be updated. And so that that's where

2609
02:18:07,510 --> 02:18:11,229
they're looking at and particularly with the north sort of

2610
02:18:11,229 --> 02:18:15,000
that North Sherman study and then the study off Orion Road

2611
02:18:15,000 --> 02:18:16,000
particularly on

2612
02:18:16,000 --> 02:18:19,430
Orion Road because there's that north north south there's

2613
02:18:19,430 --> 02:18:23,319
there's it's limited. And so prior to product additional

2614
02:18:23,319 --> 02:18:27,239
growth coming in there, really looking at what can be done

2615
02:18:27,239 --> 02:18:30,000
for an additional north south collector.

2616
02:18:30,000 --> 02:18:33,000
Question back. Thank you, Chair.

2617
02:18:33,000 --> 02:18:35,760
Just a monkey on back there maybe it might not be a bad

2618
02:18:35,760 --> 02:18:38,409
idea to hit is it PS that would come in and talk to us

2619
02:18:38,409 --> 02:18:40,000
about the mobility plan.

2620
02:18:40,000 --> 02:18:42,000
It would be pre temp.

2621
02:18:42,000 --> 02:18:45,360
We work that into a work session sometime down the road

2622
02:18:45,360 --> 02:18:48,780
because I think me and Andrew the only ones here now that

2623
02:18:48,780 --> 02:18:51,000
we had any kind of presentation on that.

2624
02:18:51,000 --> 02:18:53,399
What I'd like to do is have them come I'm going to try to

2625
02:18:53,399 --> 02:18:56,739
get them here on 1024. Okay. Just to kind of give a kind of

2626
02:18:56,739 --> 02:18:59,329
the lay of the land and all of the things that that that

2627
02:18:59,329 --> 02:19:01,000
they're they're working on.

2628
02:19:01,000 --> 02:19:04,219
And then perhaps at maybe after the first quarter of the

2629
02:19:04,219 --> 02:19:07,649
year. Once we have the results from some of those studies

2630
02:19:07,649 --> 02:19:11,079
with respect to Ryan road and then on Sherman, just to give

2631
02:19:11,079 --> 02:19:12,000
an update.

2632
02:19:12,000 --> 02:19:15,370
Because again, those are the questions that often shouldn't

2633
02:19:15,370 --> 02:19:18,450
say often always come up when your task with with

2634
02:19:18,450 --> 02:19:22,000
recommending a project within those areas.

2635
02:19:22,000 --> 02:19:26,010
So they could be good to have have that have you involved

2636
02:19:26,010 --> 02:19:28,000
in that earlier than later.

2637
02:19:28,000 --> 02:19:31,709
The only thing I would add is 1024 setting up to be a an

2638
02:19:31,709 --> 02:19:35,049
active meeting. If we just like to make sure the work

2639
02:19:35,049 --> 02:19:37,000
session starts early enough.

2640
02:19:37,000 --> 02:19:40,479
That's what I want to check this. Yeah, we're all available

2641
02:19:40,479 --> 02:19:43,000
to get here earlier because.

2642
02:19:43,000 --> 02:19:47,000
Anything else.

2643
02:19:47,000 --> 02:19:56,629
Okay, with that we will close the plan and zoning

2644
02:19:56,629 --> 02:20:04,000
Commission meeting at 710. Thank you.