WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.990 for Wednesday September 12th it is 5.03 we'll get started 00:00:04.990 --> 00:00:07.320 with the agenda the 00:00:07.320 --> 00:00:10.839 first items up for discussion would be a clarification of 00:00:10.839 --> 00:00:11.900 the agenda items 00:00:11.900 --> 00:00:18.230 Richard do you have anything to clarify yes just on on the 00:00:18.230 --> 00:00:19.879 consent item number 00:00:19.879 --> 00:00:27.719 2 2c this is the final plat it's the woodlands edition they 00:00:27.719 --> 00:00:28.399 requested that 00:00:28.399 --> 00:00:32.789 this item be postponed to a later date there's some my 00:00:32.789 --> 00:00:34.560 understanding is there's 00:00:34.560 --> 00:00:37.159 some issues with a leasehold interest in the property that 00:00:37.159 --> 00:00:37.960 they want to get 00:00:37.960 --> 00:00:42.039 worked out prior prior to this moving forward 00:00:44.840 --> 00:00:49.960 we're good the only other about moving the yeah go for it 00:00:49.960 --> 00:00:54.399 moving item 3b to 3a 00:00:54.399 --> 00:01:01.590 just a suggestion since it's a 3b to become 3a prior to the 00:01:01.590 --> 00:01:04.120 rezoning request 00:01:04.120 --> 00:01:13.159 since it's fairly they will go to be a to go to be perfect 00:01:13.159 --> 00:01:15.159 yeah that'll help 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:20.379 those people maybe not have to wait next is the consent 00:01:20.379 --> 00:01:22.120 agenda does anyone have 00:01:22.120 --> 00:01:26.959 any questions on either one it's probably worth pointing 00:01:26.959 --> 00:01:30.920 out that item 2a is being 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:33.510 discussed in length in the public hearing so we want to if 00:01:33.510 --> 00:01:34.079 you have any 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:39.959 questions on that be prudent to have that squared away 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:43.920 yep 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:50.200 Mr. Ellis thank you chair yeah I guess my question yeah is 00:01:50.200 --> 00:01:50.840 relevant to that 00:01:50.840 --> 00:01:55.829 because with the preliminary plat in the write-up that that 00:01:55.829 --> 00:01:58.040 is with the a esa it 00:01:58.040 --> 00:02:01.519 talks about two entries off of Country Club Road but I only 00:02:01.519 --> 00:02:02.400 saw one on the 00:02:02.400 --> 00:02:07.519 prelim plat am I missing one am I just not seeing it no you 00:02:07.519 --> 00:02:09.280 are correct the 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:12.000 preliminary plat it's been through sorry that's the 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:14.080 incorrect one it has been 00:02:14.080 --> 00:02:16.639 through a couple of renditions we've settled on this one 00:02:16.639 --> 00:02:17.520 point of access on 00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:20.129 Country Club the second point of access for emergency 00:02:20.129 --> 00:02:21.240 services will be this 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:25.240 connection to Meadowlands okay so it's just one access off 00:02:25.240 --> 00:02:26.039 of correct okay 00:02:26.039 --> 00:02:29.620 understood thank you no there will be a temporary 00:02:29.620 --> 00:02:30.879 construction access I believe 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:34.060 here where the existing driveway is for phase one 00:02:34.060 --> 00:02:36.159 construction this phase two is 00:02:36.159 --> 00:02:39.400 pending the ultimate alignment of a Country Club Road with 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:40.319 which text on is 00:02:40.319 --> 00:02:43.400 coordinating at this point in time 00:02:47.560 --> 00:02:49.259 is the only question to see for that does anyone have any 00:02:49.259 --> 00:02:51.280 questions on to be 00:02:51.280 --> 00:02:55.879 as that's also under Haley 00:02:59.919 --> 00:03:03.560 perfect thank you very much Haley that gets us going to the 00:03:03.560 --> 00:03:05.840 public hearings 00:03:05.840 --> 00:03:10.009 we'll start with the updated version starting with the new 00:03:10.009 --> 00:03:11.120 3a the final 00:03:11.120 --> 00:03:20.439 replat fr 18 0005 that is Cindy Jackson 00:03:33.560 --> 00:03:39.379 okay this is a request to replat a lot in into two lots the 00:03:39.379 --> 00:03:41.360 site is located in 00:03:41.360 --> 00:03:45.879 the city's extraterritorial jurisdiction or ETJ the purpose 00:03:45.879 --> 00:03:46.120 of the 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:51.710 replat is to subdivide lot 1r into two lots this is one of 00:03:51.710 --> 00:03:52.919 the lots and the 00:03:52.919 --> 00:03:56.289 other one is the remainder of the site with this not 00:03:56.289 --> 00:03:58.120 connect this connects the 00:03:58.120 --> 00:04:05.129 two sides the site is located on the west side of Hilltop 00:04:05.129 --> 00:04:06.680 Road and it meets 00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:10.639 all the requirements of the subdivision plot subdivision 00:04:10.639 --> 00:04:11.360 requirements and we 00:04:11.360 --> 00:04:18.279 recommend approval any questions for Cindy 00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:26.990 perfect thank you very much Cindy that moves us to 3b the 00:04:26.990 --> 00:04:30.160 zoning item z 18 20a 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:33.680 which is also Cindy Jackson 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:53.970 okay this request is a city initiated zoning request I 00:04:53.970 --> 00:04:57.600 placed at your each of 00:04:57.600 --> 00:05:00.819 you received a copy of all the property owner responses 00:05:00.819 --> 00:05:02.040 that we received as a 00:05:02.040 --> 00:05:05.620 result of the notification one of them the very last one is 00:05:05.620 --> 00:05:06.639 not located within 00:05:06.639 --> 00:05:10.639 the 200 foot notification buffer it was not counted as a 00:05:10.639 --> 00:05:13.399 percentage against the 00:05:13.399 --> 00:05:18.829 request however I included it with your copies for 00:05:18.829 --> 00:05:22.279 information okay z 18 20 00:05:22.279 --> 00:05:26.689 Creekside is a request to make a recommendation to the City 00:05:26.689 --> 00:05:27.360 Council 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:30.649 regarding an initial zoning designation of neighborhood 00:05:30.649 --> 00:05:32.079 residential 3 and our 00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:37.470 three on approximately 47.466 acres which you can see right 00:05:37.470 --> 00:05:39.160 here the property is 00:05:39.160 --> 00:05:44.579 located between Ryan Road to the north and Creekdale view 00:05:44.579 --> 00:05:45.879 down here to the 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:52.839 south this site was the subject of a pre annexation 00:05:52.839 --> 00:05:54.439 development agreement that 00:05:54.439 --> 00:05:59.860 was approved by the City Council in 2016 its ordinance 2016 00:05:59.860 --> 00:06:02.560 - 215 this what I'm 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:06.560 calling the Pata this govern the sequence of development 00:06:06.560 --> 00:06:08.680 for this site it 00:06:08.680 --> 00:06:13.029 contains in addition to containing a schedule for each each 00:06:13.029 --> 00:06:13.680 phase of 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:17.240 entitlement it also contains land use and development 00:06:17.240 --> 00:06:22.639 standards the plot for 00:06:22.639 --> 00:06:27.050 the site was approved on March 21st 2018 and the site was 00:06:27.050 --> 00:06:28.399 recently annexed into 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:34.800 the city just just a few weeks ago I think it was 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:39.459 mr. Beck thank you chair Cindy it's just dawning on me we 00:06:39.459 --> 00:06:40.439 've dealt with this 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:46.439 already and in the opposition to it so we approved a plan 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:47.800 before it was zone 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:55.480 yep I'll get to that okay the site has 137 residential lots 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:56.839 with the density of 00:06:56.839 --> 00:07:00.629 2.9 dwelling units per acre which complies with the nr3 00:07:00.629 --> 00:07:01.600 zoning that is 00:07:01.600 --> 00:07:06.399 requested the Pata complaint contains robust development 00:07:06.399 --> 00:07:07.480 standards that exceed 00:07:07.480 --> 00:07:11.009 what we have currently in our dent and development code and 00:07:11.009 --> 00:07:12.560 our requirements 00:07:12.560 --> 00:07:16.079 with regards to such things as traffic impact fees 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:17.600 typically a traffic impact 00:07:17.600 --> 00:07:20.069 fee for something this this size would be three thousand 00:07:20.069 --> 00:07:21.120 four hundred and twenty 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:25.980 three thousand four hundred and two dollars and you can see 00:07:25.980 --> 00:07:26.839 it right now I'm 00:07:26.839 --> 00:07:31.430 sorry and we have tree preservation standards typical right 00:07:31.430 --> 00:07:32.560 now we require 00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:37.220 20% the as a result of the requirements of the Pata the 00:07:37.220 --> 00:07:38.680 applicant is actually 00:07:38.680 --> 00:07:44.490 preserving 76% is required to preserve 76% of the diameter 00:07:44.490 --> 00:07:48.439 inches and 82% of 00:07:48.439 --> 00:07:54.029 all trees is what is being preserved right now you can see 00:07:54.029 --> 00:07:55.480 the preservation 00:07:55.480 --> 00:08:01.639 areas right along here and along the southern boundary as 00:08:01.639 --> 00:08:03.399 well as this is not 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:06.920 this is the boundary line and you can see that there's 00:08:06.920 --> 00:08:07.839 further tree 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:12.529 preservation proposed for the remaining two tracts of land 00:08:12.529 --> 00:08:14.680 that are in included 00:08:14.680 --> 00:08:18.800 in the Pata however they are not the subject of tonight's 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:22.879 discussion here is 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:27.009 table showing the total trees that were required to be 00:08:27.009 --> 00:08:28.040 preserved trees 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:33.120 preserved trees removed percent preserved is eighty one 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:33.519 point nine 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:38.230 percent total inches of trees on this side is ten thousand 00:08:38.230 --> 00:08:39.120 five hundred and 00:08:39.120 --> 00:08:42.399 twenty point eight they preserved eight thousand twenty 00:08:42.399 --> 00:08:43.679 seven point eight inches 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:51.190 and removed twenty four hundred and ninety three percent 00:08:51.190 --> 00:08:55.279 preserved is seventy six point three percent 00:08:56.519 --> 00:09:00.539 now we'll get to your question the typical sequence of 00:09:00.539 --> 00:09:03.600 development is first 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:07.980 we annex then we zone the property then we get site plan 00:09:07.980 --> 00:09:09.639 approval then we do 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:13.919 preliminary and final plot per the Pata we did the pre 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:15.399 annexation development 00:09:15.399 --> 00:09:20.019 agreement we did a concept plan a site plan a preliminary 00:09:20.019 --> 00:09:22.279 and final plot then 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:25.059 annexation that were required to come in and apply for 00:09:25.059 --> 00:09:26.480 annexation within ten days 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:30.200 after the approval of the final plot and the final step is 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:31.960 zoning which is where 00:09:31.960 --> 00:09:39.919 we are tonight the current zoning is already 5x as you can 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:40.679 see on this slide 00:09:40.679 --> 00:09:47.309 and the proposed zoning is nr3 the nr3 presents a effective 00:09:47.309 --> 00:09:48.240 transition and 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:55.059 buffer between the nr4 to the south and west and the nr2 to 00:09:55.059 --> 00:09:58.039 the north staff sent 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:01.379 legal notices has put a legal notice in the newspaper we 00:10:01.379 --> 00:10:03.200 sent out 96 notices 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:08.169 via certified mail and 192 courtesy notices via regular 00:10:08.169 --> 00:10:10.000 mail we received six 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:13.929 notices in response representing three percent of the 00:10:13.929 --> 00:10:15.440 property located within 00:10:15.440 --> 00:10:18.250 that the 200 foot boundary and you can see them in red here 00:10:18.250 --> 00:10:19.000 some of them are 00:10:19.000 --> 00:10:23.070 hard to see because they're just little slivers of land on 00:10:23.070 --> 00:10:24.480 the edge and we 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:27.419 received one from outside the 200 foot boundary which I 00:10:27.419 --> 00:10:29.799 also included we posted 00:10:29.799 --> 00:10:34.529 three notification signs we recommend approval of this 00:10:34.529 --> 00:10:36.039 request as it is 00:10:36.039 --> 00:10:39.000 compatible with the surrounding property is consistent with 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:39.960 the requirements set 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:43.139 forth in and is consistent with the requirements set forth 00:10:43.139 --> 00:10:43.600 in the pre 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:47.679 annexation agreement ordinance number 2016 - two one five 00:10:47.679 --> 00:10:49.320 and that concludes my 00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:58.440 presentation Chris are back make sure go back to the Google 00:10:58.440 --> 00:10:59.759 there the little 00:10:59.759 --> 00:11:03.990 extension that you called it a buffer this extent this 00:11:03.990 --> 00:11:06.559 right here yes there's 00:11:06.559 --> 00:11:09.740 no I've actually there's a buffer here and a buffer here 00:11:09.740 --> 00:11:10.480 you see the existing 00:11:10.480 --> 00:11:15.159 trees right this is if you if it has been planted as a 00:11:15.159 --> 00:11:16.600 street okay that's what 00:11:16.600 --> 00:11:20.389 I was and so there is going to be access out of that new 00:11:20.389 --> 00:11:21.960 subdivision to the south 00:11:21.960 --> 00:11:26.490 that will connect to okay not just on Ryan no yeah okay 00:11:26.490 --> 00:11:31.879 thank you any other 00:11:31.879 --> 00:11:36.990 questions so I have I have one question and maybe Richard 00:11:36.990 --> 00:11:38.200 or legal can help me 00:11:38.200 --> 00:11:44.080 process this the the reverse of procedures is that kind of 00:11:44.080 --> 00:11:44.639 neutering our 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:47.320 ability to make a decision here is it a foregone conclusion 00:11:47.320 --> 00:11:48.039 that we have to 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:50.899 approve this or what happens if we don't approve this if 00:11:50.899 --> 00:11:52.039 the Commission deems 00:11:52.039 --> 00:11:54.570 that it should be in our - not in our three as the 00:11:54.570 --> 00:11:56.600 neighboring neighborhood is 00:11:56.600 --> 00:11:59.490 directly to the West it's an inner to neighborhood at the 00:11:59.490 --> 00:12:01.480 north what happens 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:04.340 here has there been a protection to the applicant of some 00:12:04.340 --> 00:12:05.919 sort of promise that 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:08.870 they will get zoned this way or I'm just curious about our 00:12:08.870 --> 00:12:10.120 actual power and 00:12:10.120 --> 00:12:15.549 making a recommendation here yeah the only statement in the 00:12:15.549 --> 00:12:16.320 development 00:12:16.320 --> 00:12:21.539 agreement is that the city will pursue or initiate a rez 00:12:21.539 --> 00:12:22.879 oning for this 00:12:22.879 --> 00:12:29.309 particular zoning classification and that the applicant or 00:12:29.309 --> 00:12:30.720 the developer will 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:36.309 not object to that as an initial zoning it doesn't say the 00:12:36.309 --> 00:12:37.840 the the city can't by 00:12:37.840 --> 00:12:41.769 contract establish any particular zoning classification it 00:12:41.769 --> 00:12:42.679 still has to go 00:12:42.679 --> 00:12:45.309 through the process it still has to receive a 00:12:45.309 --> 00:12:47.080 recommendation and it still 00:12:47.080 --> 00:12:50.679 has to go forward to counsel for approval just like any 00:12:50.679 --> 00:12:51.879 other zoning case 00:12:51.879 --> 00:12:57.799 and so that that I and I did have in here mark when it was 00:12:57.799 --> 00:12:59.120 referred to as a 00:12:59.120 --> 00:13:04.000 sequence of entitlements I you know I I don't think that a 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:05.600 development agreement 00:13:05.600 --> 00:13:10.320 can properly create an entitlement to a particular zoning 00:13:10.320 --> 00:13:12.120 it promises that the 00:13:12.120 --> 00:13:16.129 city will initiate a case to rezone it to this particular 00:13:16.129 --> 00:13:17.480 zoning classification 00:13:17.480 --> 00:13:24.440 I appreciate that can you help me Cindy you might know or 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:25.039 Richard might be 00:13:25.039 --> 00:13:27.629 shed light why they wouldn't go ahead and make sure his 00:13:27.629 --> 00:13:28.440 zoning gets approved 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:31.299 before doing this was this an efficiency question it seems 00:13:31.299 --> 00:13:32.519 like they did a lot of 00:13:32.519 --> 00:13:35.889 work with a question still lingering that I'm not sure 00:13:35.889 --> 00:13:37.960 because it was it was 2016 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:41.590 the only the only thing I could venture to guess is the the 00:13:41.590 --> 00:13:42.639 plat happened to be 00:13:42.639 --> 00:13:47.190 approved prior to annexation so that even if the zoning I 00:13:47.190 --> 00:13:48.419 guess is denied they 00:13:48.419 --> 00:13:51.659 do have a plot that was approved prior to annexing into the 00:13:51.659 --> 00:13:53.600 city right I was 00:13:53.600 --> 00:13:56.059 not the planner that worked on this I wasn't involved in 00:13:56.059 --> 00:13:58.759 the least I think what 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:00.899 Richard said is correct it could be that when they 00:14:00.899 --> 00:14:02.279 submitted an application for a 00:14:02.279 --> 00:14:05.100 plot it was discovered they had a non annexation agreement 00:14:05.100 --> 00:14:06.000 on the site which 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:09.409 it did and for the non annexation agreement when you 00:14:09.409 --> 00:14:11.080 develop the site you 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:14.379 have to annex into the city prior to development so they 00:14:14.379 --> 00:14:16.440 worked out this this 00:14:16.440 --> 00:14:19.970 agreement this way and and the the pre annexation 00:14:19.970 --> 00:14:21.639 development agreement that is 00:14:21.639 --> 00:14:28.759 a codified like pathway actually a non annexation agreement 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:30.759 okay I'm sorry the 00:14:30.759 --> 00:14:36.179 the pre annexation agreement is not codified there there is 00:14:36.179 --> 00:14:37.279 in the Texas 00:14:37.279 --> 00:14:39.440 local government code a provision for a non annexation 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:40.399 agreement which what I 00:14:40.399 --> 00:14:43.809 thought you were asking about but I guess to put a little 00:14:43.809 --> 00:14:44.840 bit sharper point 00:14:44.840 --> 00:14:48.019 on the question about the sequencing the city actually 00:14:48.019 --> 00:14:49.240 cannot initiate zoning 00:14:49.240 --> 00:14:52.830 until the property is annexed because it has no 00:14:52.830 --> 00:14:55.919 jurisdiction for zoning until or 00:14:55.919 --> 00:14:58.809 unless the properties within the city limits and this was 00:14:58.809 --> 00:14:59.879 the majority of work 00:14:59.879 --> 00:15:03.480 was done prior to the annexation that's correct I got you I 00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:04.399 think commissioner 00:15:04.399 --> 00:15:07.580 Ellis and then Commissioner Beck thank you sure well it's 00:15:07.580 --> 00:15:08.240 along the same line 00:15:08.240 --> 00:15:12.169 of what we're discussing so who decide how did we get to a 00:15:12.169 --> 00:15:13.679 final plat before we 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:18.200 had an annex property and how to what who decides a pre 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:19.679 annexation development 00:15:19.679 --> 00:15:22.269 agreement I mean is that just how you got out of it because 00:15:22.269 --> 00:15:23.159 we had a final plat 00:15:23.159 --> 00:15:30.159 I'm confused how we go out of the typical sequence of 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:30.159 development I 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:34.240 understand and I really I'm not sure my thinking is since 00:15:34.240 --> 00:15:35.799 they had already had 00:15:35.799 --> 00:15:40.429 the site designed and they had a a plat submitted this is 00:15:40.429 --> 00:15:42.080 theoretical if they 00:15:42.080 --> 00:15:45.559 already had submitted what they what staff and the 00:15:45.559 --> 00:15:46.399 applicant might have done 00:15:46.399 --> 00:15:51.009 was work out a situation where we can get the a bigger 00:15:51.009 --> 00:15:53.200 bigger bang for this by 00:15:53.200 --> 00:15:58.620 having them agree to standards that are above and beyond 00:15:58.620 --> 00:16:00.080 what we require in 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:02.759 exchange for okay we'll approve this plot but you need to 00:16:02.759 --> 00:16:03.919 go through these steps 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:08.440 too in order for us to approve this plot right but I mean 00:16:08.440 --> 00:16:09.360 it wasn't a surprise 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:14.470 that it wasn't you know in the city limits at the time so 00:16:14.470 --> 00:16:14.559 well you'd be 00:16:14.559 --> 00:16:20.149 surprised the the the property that has pre annexation I 00:16:20.149 --> 00:16:21.559 mean non annexation 00:16:21.559 --> 00:16:27.210 agreements we've had several instances where the somebody a 00:16:27.210 --> 00:16:28.360 developer comes 00:16:28.360 --> 00:16:31.250 forward and offers to purchase it and and they come to us 00:16:31.250 --> 00:16:32.360 and we're like well 00:16:32.360 --> 00:16:35.940 no you've got a there there is this non annexation 00:16:35.940 --> 00:16:37.840 agreement on here this is 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:40.440 what you're gonna have to do and in this instance and I'm 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:41.320 not sure why because I 00:16:41.320 --> 00:16:46.039 wouldn't involved they decided to do this development 00:16:46.039 --> 00:16:47.080 agreement which 00:16:47.080 --> 00:16:53.149 resulted in higher standards of design standards have we 00:16:53.149 --> 00:16:54.639 done pre annexation 00:16:54.639 --> 00:16:59.240 development agreements in the past does anyone know my 00:16:59.240 --> 00:17:00.080 understanding this is the 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:04.079 only one that I'm aware of that was done in 2016 I know the 00:17:04.079 --> 00:17:04.920 applicant you know 00:17:04.920 --> 00:17:06.839 will be at the meeting that could address some of the 00:17:06.839 --> 00:17:07.519 questions as to how 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:11.869 how it sort of developed at that time prior to the prior to 00:17:11.869 --> 00:17:12.759 the the non 00:17:12.759 --> 00:17:18.349 annexation agreement expiring it just is odd because as 00:17:18.349 --> 00:17:19.599 chair said it's almost 00:17:19.599 --> 00:17:23.039 like we kind of have to we've gotten this far we've got a 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:24.200 final plat the only 00:17:24.200 --> 00:17:27.400 way the final plaque can be done is if we have this zoning 00:17:27.400 --> 00:17:28.160 I mean otherwise 00:17:28.160 --> 00:17:31.640 it's not gonna work yeah in this in this instance because 00:17:31.640 --> 00:17:33.720 we do have we do still 00:17:33.720 --> 00:17:38.039 have authority within the ETJ for final plat approval and 00:17:38.039 --> 00:17:39.720 so that's that's what 00:17:39.720 --> 00:17:42.970 I'm again venturing to guess was the premise behind having 00:17:42.970 --> 00:17:44.000 it go having it 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:48.930 go before this if I if I could reword that if I understand 00:17:48.930 --> 00:17:49.480 what you're saying 00:17:49.480 --> 00:17:51.940 correctly is there was a non-exation agreement that needed 00:17:51.940 --> 00:17:52.680 to be expired but 00:17:52.680 --> 00:17:54.690 they were able to get some work done leading up to that 00:17:54.690 --> 00:17:56.079 expiration so they 00:17:56.079 --> 00:17:59.720 were kind of able to burn the candle while waiting for that 00:17:59.720 --> 00:18:00.319 annexation to 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:04.980 happen this annexation agreement the the the the PADA was 00:18:04.980 --> 00:18:06.359 approved in September 00:18:06.359 --> 00:18:11.779 that same month September of 2016 that same month the non 00:18:11.779 --> 00:18:12.880 annexation agreement 00:18:12.880 --> 00:18:17.839 was set to expire okay okay Chris you're back thank you 00:18:17.839 --> 00:18:19.279 chair kind of back to your 00:18:19.279 --> 00:18:24.059 question if what option do we have here if I mean they 00:18:24.059 --> 00:18:25.640 obviously the preliminary 00:18:25.640 --> 00:18:28.859 and final class was set up for an NR3 but if we say do we 00:18:28.859 --> 00:18:29.759 have the option to 00:18:29.759 --> 00:18:34.079 say no we'll agree to an NR2 then they'd have to go back 00:18:34.079 --> 00:18:35.799 and do preliminary and 00:18:35.799 --> 00:18:39.730 final plants do we have that option that's one question and 00:18:39.730 --> 00:18:40.920 if we do and 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:44.240 agree to do that then they'd have to go back through the 00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:47.200 process is that correct 00:18:47.240 --> 00:18:53.299 well I know that if they have a plat that doesn't do what 00:18:53.299 --> 00:18:55.240 they intend to do 00:18:55.240 --> 00:18:58.819 you know or what they can legally do under whatever zoning 00:18:58.819 --> 00:18:59.920 they ultimately 00:18:59.920 --> 00:19:03.670 wind up with then they're not going to be allowed to build 00:19:03.670 --> 00:19:05.720 under that plat but 00:19:05.720 --> 00:19:09.430 and they're going to have to pursue some other option but I 00:19:09.430 --> 00:19:10.799 think the whole point 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:13.980 of the pre annexation development agreement and I wasn't 00:19:13.980 --> 00:19:14.799 involved in it 00:19:14.799 --> 00:19:17.759 either I and I don't know the history of it I'm kind of in 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:18.839 the same position that 00:19:18.839 --> 00:19:22.849 the planning staff is in but looking at it just kind of 00:19:22.849 --> 00:19:24.559 from the outside in it 00:19:24.559 --> 00:19:29.450 looks like it was an effort to legally do what the 00:19:29.450 --> 00:19:32.240 expectations were a lot of 00:19:32.240 --> 00:19:36.309 people are saying you know gee can we can we zone this at 00:19:36.309 --> 00:19:37.200 the time of 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:41.509 annexation well technically you can't you can't you can't 00:19:41.509 --> 00:19:42.759 zone until after the 00:19:42.759 --> 00:19:48.720 property is annexed but you know with with the idea of 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:51.079 pursuing this you know 00:19:51.079 --> 00:19:56.200 it's at least one way of going after this again the city's 00:19:56.200 --> 00:19:56.920 obligation with 00:19:56.920 --> 00:20:00.420 regard to zoning is not to guarantee any particular zoning 00:20:00.420 --> 00:20:01.279 goes in but to 00:20:01.279 --> 00:20:06.170 initiate the case and if that causes problem well at least 00:20:06.170 --> 00:20:07.480 the city kept this 00:20:07.480 --> 00:20:12.900 end of the bargain but you know clearly you know all non 00:20:12.900 --> 00:20:14.079 annexation agreements 00:20:14.079 --> 00:20:17.000 are pre annexation development agreements I mean that's 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:17.359 that's that's 00:20:17.359 --> 00:20:19.920 their structure they're all pre annexation development 00:20:19.920 --> 00:20:20.359 groups they were 00:20:20.359 --> 00:20:23.539 just pre annexation development agreements that provide 00:20:23.539 --> 00:20:24.000 that any 00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:27.180 development that you do was going to be agricultural in 00:20:27.180 --> 00:20:28.480 nature and that if you do 00:20:28.480 --> 00:20:33.039 anything other than agricultural you come in to the city as 00:20:33.039 --> 00:20:34.119 a voluntary 00:20:34.119 --> 00:20:37.910 annexation that's part of the terms you could you could 00:20:37.910 --> 00:20:39.559 prescribe uses of land 00:20:39.559 --> 00:20:43.759 in a pre annexation development agreement which this did 00:20:43.759 --> 00:20:45.140 but that you 00:20:45.140 --> 00:20:49.930 cannot promise by contract you cannot promise you know a 00:20:49.930 --> 00:20:51.640 particular zoning 00:20:51.640 --> 00:20:57.109 classification you know as the city seems like for good 00:20:57.109 --> 00:20:57.200 reason to me too 00:20:57.200 --> 00:21:01.640 because I'm not saying I have a problem with the nr3 they 00:21:01.640 --> 00:21:03.019 've got some good 00:21:03.019 --> 00:21:05.490 buffers here and everything but we've obviously got some 00:21:05.490 --> 00:21:06.079 concerns by the 00:21:06.079 --> 00:21:09.539 surrounding neighborhoods and I understand that but it's we 00:21:09.539 --> 00:21:10.359 come into 00:21:10.359 --> 00:21:13.160 this with our hands tied almost and that's unusual that's 00:21:13.160 --> 00:21:14.519 what bothers me 00:21:14.519 --> 00:21:18.839 you know so I don't want to go back and say no we're not 00:21:18.839 --> 00:21:19.000 gonna do anything in our two 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:23.599 just to just to show them but hopefully we won't face this 00:21:23.599 --> 00:21:24.519 in the future I 00:21:24.519 --> 00:21:28.160 listen this is weird but I wanted to see what our options 00:21:28.160 --> 00:21:29.519 were there I said 00:21:29.519 --> 00:21:33.049 unless you said to that you know any non-accession 00:21:33.049 --> 00:21:34.640 agreement anticipates 00:21:34.640 --> 00:21:39.630 zoning and I agree but zoning first then plants you know 00:21:39.630 --> 00:21:40.319 and this has been 00:21:40.319 --> 00:21:44.079 reversed here so right yeah and I suspect that it was an 00:21:44.079 --> 00:21:45.720 effort to try to 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:51.319 accommodate a desired development and use in a manner that 00:21:51.319 --> 00:21:52.920 that staff assumed 00:21:52.920 --> 00:21:57.349 would be non-controversial as proposed and so you know I 00:21:57.349 --> 00:21:58.519 doubt that there's any 00:21:58.519 --> 00:22:02.240 kind of intent to tying one's hands here again speaking 00:22:02.240 --> 00:22:03.559 from position of ignorance 00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:08.779 but it was it was an effort to put that into place it 00:22:08.779 --> 00:22:10.279 obviously was approved the 00:22:10.279 --> 00:22:17.099 City Council did approve the agreement and so you know by 00:22:17.099 --> 00:22:18.400 all appearances it 00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:23.000 appeared that the city had no problems with this 00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:27.910 Michelle's thank you chair well I guess I mean I guess just 00:22:27.910 --> 00:22:28.880 my final thought on 00:22:28.880 --> 00:22:32.180 that is I mean it does feel like our hands are tied with 00:22:32.180 --> 00:22:33.440 the typical order 00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:35.960 which is over there and the order we're dealing with over 00:22:35.960 --> 00:22:38.440 here and again I don't 00:22:38.440 --> 00:22:42.599 know that it's a terrible fit either it just feels wrong 00:22:42.599 --> 00:22:44.960 and it would be my hope 00:22:44.960 --> 00:22:49.769 that we don't do this again and we do an order that makes 00:22:49.769 --> 00:22:51.359 sense because this 00:22:51.359 --> 00:22:54.680 order doesn't make sense to me 00:22:56.920 --> 00:23:00.519 Christian back thank you sure one of the thing I guess too 00:23:00.519 --> 00:23:03.160 that the surrounding 00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:06.500 neighborhoods concerned about is the added traffic and we 00:23:06.500 --> 00:23:07.559 discussed that when 00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:10.859 we were dealing with the site plans and and understood 00:23:10.859 --> 00:23:13.359 their concerns so I could 00:23:13.359 --> 00:23:18.950 see why and I don't know if it would appease them but a 00:23:18.950 --> 00:23:20.319 less dense zoning 00:23:20.319 --> 00:23:23.269 district you know might all sit some of that traffic 00:23:23.269 --> 00:23:24.319 probably not enough to make 00:23:24.319 --> 00:23:27.799 a big difference but anyway that was just a thought I had 00:23:27.799 --> 00:23:29.240 out there throwing 00:23:29.240 --> 00:23:33.980 the mix I do want to point out that the applicant has 00:23:33.980 --> 00:23:35.960 actually 00:23:36.759 --> 00:23:41.609 anticipated that traffic is somewhat and the traffic impact 00:23:41.609 --> 00:23:43.200 fees that were paid 00:23:43.200 --> 00:23:48.619 for this property are forty three hundred dollars per unit 00:23:48.619 --> 00:23:49.519 this is greater 00:23:49.519 --> 00:23:53.839 than the twenty five hundred dollars per unit required by 00:23:53.839 --> 00:23:55.440 the DC and the impact 00:23:55.440 --> 00:23:59.640 fee ordinance the traffic engineering is in the process of 00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:00.920 conducting trip counts 00:24:00.920 --> 00:24:03.720 right now along Ryan Road because they are aware of the 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:04.920 situation as well and 00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:08.730 we've got other developments coming in that will impact it 00:24:08.730 --> 00:24:10.079 and funding for the 00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:13.890 an update to the mobility plan so that we can pursue the 00:24:13.890 --> 00:24:15.359 improvements of Ryan 00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:18.309 Road was approved by council last night and they are 00:24:18.309 --> 00:24:19.880 actively working towards 00:24:19.880 --> 00:24:27.140 trying to alleviate the situation so senior final words 00:24:27.140 --> 00:24:29.400 from myself I'm glad 00:24:29.400 --> 00:24:31.859 you brought up traffic that's good to hear because I live 00:24:31.859 --> 00:24:32.599 in the general 00:24:32.599 --> 00:24:37.269 vicinity of the area and I got peppered with questions two 00:24:37.269 --> 00:24:39.359 of them namely one is 00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:42.859 when are we gonna get a light at Ryan Road in 1830 that 00:24:42.859 --> 00:24:43.880 seems to be a large 00:24:43.880 --> 00:24:47.809 concern of those residents and then traffic on on Ryan was 00:24:47.809 --> 00:24:48.759 concerned so 00:24:48.759 --> 00:24:52.450 hopefully the updated mobility plan can can allocate some 00:24:52.450 --> 00:24:53.799 resources there and 00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:57.019 then their impact fees can immediately go towards and I 00:24:57.019 --> 00:24:58.240 know the the light at 00:24:58.240 --> 00:25:01.720 1830 has text dot implications so I get that but but 00:25:01.720 --> 00:25:02.359 hopefully you can get that 00:25:02.359 --> 00:25:07.579 going the other question I got over and over a dozen times 00:25:07.579 --> 00:25:09.240 was how did someone 00:25:09.240 --> 00:25:12.420 start construction before his own and so we're talking here 00:25:12.420 --> 00:25:13.119 about kind of having 00:25:13.119 --> 00:25:15.809 our hands tied which I do get I'm not necessarily opposed 00:25:15.809 --> 00:25:16.640 the inner three 00:25:16.640 --> 00:25:19.529 either but the sequence is like it's a foregone conclusion 00:25:19.529 --> 00:25:20.680 here but moreover to 00:25:20.680 --> 00:25:24.160 the citizens they were highly confused how it's happening 00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:24.799 in our city that 00:25:24.799 --> 00:25:28.250 construction started before a zoning happened so I had a 00:25:28.250 --> 00:25:29.960 lot of questions say 00:25:29.960 --> 00:25:32.430 hey why are you just not doing zoning if it's already been 00:25:32.430 --> 00:25:33.279 approved and then my 00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:36.460 narrative back to them was equally confusing to say well it 00:25:36.460 --> 00:25:37.279 's it's already 00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:40.650 kind of predetermined that they will get a and so I didn't 00:25:40.650 --> 00:25:41.920 feel too confident in 00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:45.849 my response yeah so I kind of echo Commissioner Ellis's 00:25:45.849 --> 00:25:46.599 point that we 00:25:46.599 --> 00:25:50.400 should maybe not look to do these it seems rare but if we 00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:51.839 do maybe look to 00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:55.079 have special messaging or something because there's just a 00:25:55.079 --> 00:25:56.039 lot of confusion 00:25:56.039 --> 00:25:59.299 of how they could have excavators on property and then get 00:25:59.299 --> 00:25:59.880 a zoning 00:25:59.880 --> 00:26:02.769 notification you know three weeks later so that's just my 00:26:02.769 --> 00:26:03.799 two cents on that I 00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:06.430 can understand that and to my the best of my knowledge all 00:26:06.430 --> 00:26:07.319 they've got so far 00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:10.680 is a grading permit when that when a plot is improved 00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:11.680 approved they can they 00:26:11.680 --> 00:26:15.079 can grade the land sure and that's what they're working on 00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:16.279 right now 00:26:16.279 --> 00:26:20.210 Chris or back thank you sure one last question did we do a 00:26:20.210 --> 00:26:20.599 neighborhood 00:26:20.599 --> 00:26:24.210 meeting either for this or when they were doing that when 00:26:24.210 --> 00:26:25.359 the pre annexation 00:26:25.359 --> 00:26:30.789 development agreement was was going through the process the 00:26:30.789 --> 00:26:32.440 developer and 00:26:32.440 --> 00:26:36.579 and neighbors did meet the neighbors have actually 00:26:36.579 --> 00:26:38.079 contacted me and told me 00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:42.009 well they said this this and this so yeah there were aware 00:26:42.009 --> 00:26:42.440 of it so they 00:26:42.440 --> 00:26:48.519 didn't make an attempt to yes okay there is one other point 00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:49.200 I think that could be 00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:52.430 made that that might make it feel a little bit less like a 00:26:52.430 --> 00:26:53.200 hands-tieing 00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:56.099 situation is that if they are outside the city limits we 00:26:56.099 --> 00:26:57.319 have no zoning control 00:26:57.319 --> 00:27:02.910 of them at all period you know absent some kind of a 00:27:02.910 --> 00:27:04.279 development agreement and 00:27:04.279 --> 00:27:08.839 and so they can develop without any kind of annexation 00:27:08.839 --> 00:27:10.200 restrictions that are not 00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:14.000 placed on them by an agreement at least they had some 00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:15.279 restrictions that were 00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:19.500 placed on them that they voluntarily agreed to you know it 00:27:19.500 --> 00:27:20.680 's not some other 00:27:20.680 --> 00:27:24.359 use that could be a lot more intense that that's the city 00:27:24.359 --> 00:27:25.920 would be obligated 00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:31.990 to accept as an existing use upon annexation and and so to 00:27:31.990 --> 00:27:33.319 a certain 00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:37.460 extent you know what you're getting here is not so much a 00:27:37.460 --> 00:27:39.279 hand tying as it is the 00:27:39.279 --> 00:27:43.920 ability to plan and to provide for orderly growth and and 00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:45.319 the city had this 00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:50.920 opportunity presented to them when this pattern was brought 00:27:50.920 --> 00:27:53.720 forward that look 00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:56.990 this is this is what's proposed at least we're putting some 00:27:56.990 --> 00:27:58.319 restrictions in place 00:27:58.319 --> 00:28:01.940 on this that gives the neighboring properties some comfort 00:28:01.940 --> 00:28:03.839 some assurance of 00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:07.589 what's going to go in and how it's going to go in and that 00:28:07.589 --> 00:28:09.000 it's not going to be 00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:14.950 beyond that and and so to a certain extent it does provide 00:28:14.950 --> 00:28:16.279 some order you 00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:19.799 know in the process that you would not otherwise have 00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:22.359 absent an annexation 00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:29.309 development agreement. One point to Larry's comment and I 00:28:29.309 --> 00:28:30.000 believe this was 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:33.180 done prior to the traffic impact fee ordinance being 00:28:33.180 --> 00:28:34.559 adopted and so that's 00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:37.380 always a challenge right when we're approving final plats 00:28:37.380 --> 00:28:38.319 in the ETJ we don't 00:28:38.319 --> 00:28:41.769 have so even if they are right within the within the you 00:28:41.769 --> 00:28:42.759 know surrounded by 00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:45.640 it by the city we can't necessarily assess that traffic 00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:47.119 impact fee and so at 00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:50.089 least with this agreement while they are providing it you 00:28:50.089 --> 00:28:51.200 know creating an impact 00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:54.920 we were able to actually secure almost double than what 00:28:54.920 --> 00:28:56.279 what the impact fee 00:28:56.279 --> 00:29:00.519 would have required. Okay that makes sense if I may okay 00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:01.799 and again to Larry's 00:29:01.799 --> 00:29:07.450 statement yeah I can see the benefit of that that but how 00:29:07.450 --> 00:29:09.519 often when we do annex 00:29:09.519 --> 00:29:12.730 property there usually nothing on it is that correct have 00:29:12.730 --> 00:29:14.079 we how often have we 00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:19.500 annex property where there's already a development in there 00:29:19.500 --> 00:29:23.440 ? It varies even 00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:27.630 there's been some properties of the annex a long long time 00:29:27.630 --> 00:29:29.519 ago with with uses on 00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:33.039 them that are non-conforming and so we can tend now with 00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:34.640 you know tracing it 00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:38.079 all the way back so that they're actually able to continue 00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:38.799 that use we 00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:44.230 had one today in fact but but it does it does vary 00:29:44.230 --> 00:29:45.440 sometimes they're as simple as 00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:48.319 a single-family home. But it seems like the developer here 00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:49.119 at least was 00:29:49.119 --> 00:29:53.200 attempting to work with the city's 2030 plan you know the 00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:54.240 future land use and 00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:57.480 all that with the NR3. Correct and it wasn't like you know 00:29:57.480 --> 00:29:58.079 it wasn't a grab 00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:02.839 for NR4 NR6 which we see a lot so there is you know we 00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:04.480 actually look at it is 00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:07.460 compatible with with that area and serves as a buffer to 00:30:07.460 --> 00:30:08.160 the to the NR4 00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:12.630 and NR6 just to the east. And I wanted to add that we did 00:30:12.630 --> 00:30:14.240 annex some property in 00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:17.730 2010 when we did the big annexation in 2010 that was 00:30:17.730 --> 00:30:19.559 developed the one that I'm 00:30:19.559 --> 00:30:22.029 thinking in particular is off of Mosh Branch it was an 00:30:22.029 --> 00:30:24.559 industrial park and what 00:30:24.559 --> 00:30:28.299 they we had them do is provide us with an inventory of all 00:30:28.299 --> 00:30:29.440 the uses that were 00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:33.049 in that industrial park because the code states that when 00:30:33.049 --> 00:30:34.519 we have we annex uses 00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:38.039 they are non-conforming however they are allowed to 00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:40.000 continue with them so that 00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:42.960 way every time we got a CEO for that industrial park we had 00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:43.759 pull out that 00:30:43.759 --> 00:30:46.940 list and see okay yeah that that's on that list that you so 00:30:46.940 --> 00:30:48.200 they can go in 00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:58.720 there. Krishnapurna did you have a question? No. Okay. 00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:00.400 Thank you very much Cindy. 00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:10.000 Sure. That moves us to item 3C the AESA 16-3 and I'll call 00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:11.279 Haley to provide us 00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:14.279 some information on this one. 00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:22.059 All right good evening before I dive into this I wanted to 00:31:22.059 --> 00:31:24.640 point out a couple 00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:27.230 of things I left on the table some additional responses 00:31:27.230 --> 00:31:28.160 that were received 00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:33.380 for this case as well as a more clear ESA map that should 00:31:33.380 --> 00:31:35.319 replace exhibit 5 00:31:35.319 --> 00:31:38.140 that was in your backup that map came contain some errone 00:31:38.140 --> 00:31:39.160 ous data regarding 00:31:39.160 --> 00:31:41.339 the boundary of the developed floodplain so we corrected 00:31:41.339 --> 00:31:42.279 that and provided you a 00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:45.460 hopefully a clearer picture of the various ESA types that 00:31:45.460 --> 00:31:45.980 are on the 00:31:45.980 --> 00:31:49.160 property and just so you also know Deborah Vera will be 00:31:49.160 --> 00:31:50.299 joining me in this 00:31:50.299 --> 00:31:52.759 presentation so we'll kind of tag team and hopefully get 00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:53.319 you the best 00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:58.380 information we can on this case. So the request before you 00:31:58.380 --> 00:31:59.440 is for an alternative 00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:02.680 environmentally sensitive area plan outlined on the map in 00:32:02.680 --> 00:32:03.440 yellow is the 00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:06.299 boundaries of the Country Club Road Estates which is the 00:32:06.299 --> 00:32:07.359 property there was 00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:11.170 a preliminary plat on your consent agenda for this for this 00:32:11.170 --> 00:32:12.920 property it is 00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:16.329 approximately 32 or 35 and a half acres you can see it's 00:32:16.329 --> 00:32:17.359 located on the west 00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:20.539 side of Country Club Road Regency Court is just to the 00:32:20.539 --> 00:32:21.440 north of this for 00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:24.640 reference the particular type of ESA that we'll be 00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:26.359 discussing tonight is the 00:32:26.359 --> 00:32:30.400 undeveloped floodplain ESA and I also wanted to point out 00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:31.319 to you you may 00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:36.910 remember last or yes last year we had new ESA regulations 00:32:36.910 --> 00:32:38.279 approved this 00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:42.990 development and this ESA up in 2016 so it predates those 00:32:42.990 --> 00:32:44.680 new ESA regulations so 00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:48.609 this was examined under the the purview of those original 00:32:48.609 --> 00:32:49.720 or the older ESA 00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:54.259 regulations that were replaced last year. A little bit more 00:32:54.259 --> 00:32:55.160 background on the 00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:58.339 property it's currently zoned in R3 some of you may 00:32:58.339 --> 00:32:59.519 remember a couple of years 00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:04.390 ago an application came in it was approved early in 2017 00:33:04.390 --> 00:33:05.440 for a rezoning on 00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:09.970 this property so prior to 2017 it was a mixture of NR2 and 00:33:09.970 --> 00:33:11.599 NR4 zoning could 00:33:11.599 --> 00:33:15.529 have permitted a maximum of 111 lots at that time so with 00:33:15.529 --> 00:33:16.720 their application in 00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:21.250 2017 they applied to consolidate the zoning all under NR3 00:33:21.250 --> 00:33:21.880 so kind of split 00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:24.750 the difference with the NR4 and NR2 and give a consistent 00:33:24.750 --> 00:33:25.640 density throughout the 00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:29.920 property under NR3 they could develop a maximum of 124 lots 00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:31.160 the preliminary 00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:34.119 plat and the plans that you'll look at tonight show 73 lots 00:33:34.119 --> 00:33:35.200 so they are coming 00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:38.809 in significantly lower in density than what could be 00:33:38.809 --> 00:33:41.640 permitted so now to kind of 00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:46.230 look at the details of this preliminary plat. Commissioner 00:33:46.230 --> 00:33:47.839 Beck. Thank you chair. Go 00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:52.920 back that one if what are what are they giving up from 00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:56.440 going up from 124 to 73 00:33:56.440 --> 00:34:00.960 if they did 124 lots would they still negatively impacted 00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:02.480 that undeveloped 00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:07.789 floodplain? Yes that's due to the location of the flood 00:34:07.789 --> 00:34:08.400 plain kind of in the 00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:10.519 middle of the property it was likely no matter what they 00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:11.320 did they would have 00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:13.960 some impact on that just trying to get roads or lots or 00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:15.199 something in place on 00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:19.199 the property. But wouldn't our aren't there restrictions in 00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:20.000 place that would 00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:24.199 have prevented them from doing that kind of alteration to 00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:26.400 that? Well the the 00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:28.559 reason we're here tonight is to so you all can have a look 00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:29.519 at those alterations 00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:31.150 that they propose because you're correct there are 00:34:31.150 --> 00:34:32.260 limitations on what you can do 00:34:32.260 --> 00:34:35.440 within an ESA. Okay so they could have done 124 but they 00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:35.920 would have altered 00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:39.860 more significantly the undeveloped floodplain so by doing 00:34:39.860 --> 00:34:43.119 73. That is 00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:44.889 potential I haven't seen what the plan would have looked 00:34:44.889 --> 00:34:45.880 like with that maximum 00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:48.510 number of lots but since they came in for this their plan 00:34:48.510 --> 00:34:49.440 has always been to 00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:52.969 develop somewhere between 73 78 lots to have a larger lot 00:34:52.969 --> 00:34:53.840 more estate style 00:34:53.840 --> 00:35:00.699 development. Thanks. So looking at some of the details here 00:35:00.699 --> 00:35:01.199 you can see two 00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:04.380 phases of development so as I mentioned earlier there's 00:35:04.380 --> 00:35:05.599 still some uncertainty 00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:08.150 as to what the ultimate right-of-way will be for Country 00:35:08.150 --> 00:35:08.880 Club Road when 00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:11.670 TxDOT widens that so phase two is it's kind of a distant 00:35:11.670 --> 00:35:12.679 future maybe in a 00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:15.650 couple of years once TxDOT has those plans finalized but 00:35:15.650 --> 00:35:16.440 this is this is their 00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:19.750 hope for what that would look like and then phase one will 00:35:19.750 --> 00:35:20.480 be the more more 00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:23.659 immediately pending development once they get through this 00:35:23.659 --> 00:35:24.920 process and then 00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:27.679 assuming this is approved final platting and construction 00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:29.639 plans would follow. So 00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:32.460 we do have a few key things to point out Meadowlands Drive 00:35:32.460 --> 00:35:33.519 will extend from the 00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:36.340 existing stub out here on the east side of the property it 00:35:36.340 --> 00:35:37.159 will come into a 00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:39.619 cul-de-sac so there's no direct connectivity where someone 00:35:39.619 --> 00:35:40.119 can make just 00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:42.590 a straight shot through the subdivision. There would be 00:35:42.590 --> 00:35:43.500 several turns involved on 00:35:43.500 --> 00:35:46.719 these streets to get out to Country Club Road so that could 00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:47.440 hopefully you know 00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:50.400 slow down traffic and cause a slower pace to travel through 00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:51.360 the neighborhood. 00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:55.150 As I mentioned it is a total of 73 lots there are a couple 00:35:55.150 --> 00:35:56.159 of gas wells in 00:35:56.159 --> 00:35:59.739 proximity to this so you can see in hatched lines here and 00:35:59.739 --> 00:36:00.800 then with these 00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:03.409 boundary lines the lots that fall within a thousand feet of 00:36:03.409 --> 00:36:04.079 that so they've 00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:06.739 followed all of our regulations for property owner 00:36:06.739 --> 00:36:08.519 notifications there and 00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:11.469 then you can see through the middle of the lot two lots 00:36:11.469 --> 00:36:12.800 called out as a 1x and 00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:16.139 2x and that's the lots that would contain the floodplain 00:36:16.139 --> 00:36:17.719 and the ESA if 00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:22.460 this plan is approved. And at this point I'm gonna let 00:36:22.460 --> 00:36:24.400 Deborah kind of take over 00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:26.460 and walk you through the various types of ESA on the 00:36:26.460 --> 00:36:27.559 property and what the plan 00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:29.719 is. 00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:37.309 Thank you. Okay so they're not gonna do phase one or phase 00:36:37.309 --> 00:36:38.679 two for 00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:41.769 maybe another year or two. It's all possible it's depending 00:36:41.769 --> 00:36:42.239 on what text 00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:44.199 dots timing is on their plans. But they will go ahead and 00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:45.559 do the road completion as 00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:48.159 they're doing phase one. My understanding is they'd likely 00:36:48.159 --> 00:36:49.420 have a temporary access 00:36:49.420 --> 00:36:53.119 point here where that existing driveway is and then yeah 00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:54.159 this would be built 00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:59.199 later on once text dot sponsor finalized. Okay. 00:37:02.679 --> 00:37:04.500 Good evening Commission my name is Deborah Vieira I'm with 00:37:04.500 --> 00:37:06.000 Environmental 00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:08.010 Services and I'm going to walk you through the 00:37:08.010 --> 00:37:09.239 environmental sensitive 00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:13.880 areas component of it. On the screen we have a map that's 00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:16.039 showing the existing 00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:20.329 environmental sensitive area on site. I believe we have new 00:37:20.329 --> 00:37:21.400 members on the 00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:23.320 Commission so I'm going to walk them through what 00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:24.280 environmental sensitive 00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:27.170 areas are. So bear with me the rest of the Commission that 00:37:27.170 --> 00:37:27.820 you have got this 00:37:27.820 --> 00:37:31.440 training so many times. The city of Denton provides 00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:33.119 protection to four types 00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:36.760 of habitats. One of them being the floodplain, repair and 00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:38.000 buffers, water 00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:42.159 related habitats and cross timber open habitats. Those are 00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:43.360 habitats that 00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:47.119 we provide protections to it and require additional 00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:49.280 regulations when development 00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:53.840 comes in that has some some of that into their property. 00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:55.760 Tonight we're going 00:37:55.760 --> 00:37:58.969 to deal with undeveloped floodplain. An undeveloped flood 00:37:58.969 --> 00:38:00.840 plain pretty much is the 00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:05.269 boundaries are determined by what the FEMA determines to be 00:38:05.269 --> 00:38:06.960 the zone that have 00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:10.199 one percent chance of flood every year. It's also called 00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:11.199 the hundred year 00:38:11.199 --> 00:38:14.780 floodplain. So the two the two boundaries overlap they're 00:38:14.780 --> 00:38:16.639 the same. Even though FEMA 00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:19.820 the emphasis of FEMA protections is on the conveyance of 00:38:19.820 --> 00:38:20.960 water is making sure 00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:26.639 that the water is draining properly and that does not 00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:28.880 result in further flooding 00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:33.639 and hazard and damages to the property. The ESA floodplain 00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:34.920 deals more with the 00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:38.449 habitat that it has and the protection service the 00:38:38.449 --> 00:38:40.400 ecological services that 00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:44.849 they provide. So tonight we are going to deal mainly with 00:38:44.849 --> 00:38:45.920 the southern part of 00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:48.630 the property which is determined to be undeveloped flood 00:38:48.630 --> 00:38:50.239 plain. This is a point of 00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:54.170 clarification. The applicant have proposed all the impacts 00:38:54.170 --> 00:38:54.719 to be done 00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:57.949 along the flood fringes which is the outer edges of the 00:38:57.949 --> 00:38:59.519 floodplain and not to 00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:02.699 encroach into the repair and buffer which is the yellow 00:39:02.699 --> 00:39:04.480 area shown. So that's 00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:07.659 why we are not dealing with the repair and buffer at this 00:39:07.659 --> 00:39:09.159 point. The northern 00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:12.840 part of it it was determined through a field assessment 00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:15.000 done in 2015 that that 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:19.639 area in purple seems to have characteristics of a developed 00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:20.079 floodplain 00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:23.349 meaning that that area have been heavily impacted that have 00:39:23.349 --> 00:39:24.400 been graded that have 00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:27.349 been filled and so on and there's and doesn't provide the 00:39:27.349 --> 00:39:28.440 habitat and the 00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:32.969 benefits that otherwise an undeveloped floodplain does. The 00:39:32.969 --> 00:39:33.719 same happened with 00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:37.360 the repair and buffer that area have been heavily graded. I 00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:38.960 suspect that that 00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:43.019 came as a part of the CLOMAR-LOHMAR process. CLOMAR stands 00:39:43.019 --> 00:39:43.800 for conditional 00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:46.639 letter of map revision. LOHMAR stands for letter of map 00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:48.199 revision. Then it was done 00:39:48.199 --> 00:39:51.380 as a part of Regency Oaks subdivision which is located on 00:39:51.380 --> 00:39:53.360 the north. Also here 00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:57.760 there is a long driveway that connects to Country Club. 00:39:57.760 --> 00:39:58.880 There is a culvert in 00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:05.119 that area to that provides the drainage in that area. 00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:06.719 Somebody have to put a 00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:12.139 culvert in and that and I suspect that some of the field 00:40:12.139 --> 00:40:13.280 and grading that was 00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:15.900 done in the past was also for the for the construction of 00:40:15.900 --> 00:40:16.900 that driveway. So 00:40:16.900 --> 00:40:21.179 there are multiple reasons why that area have been impacted 00:40:21.179 --> 00:40:25.280 in the past. So in 00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:28.710 2015 the staff did a field assessment to determine the 00:40:28.710 --> 00:40:30.760 condition of the floodplain 00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:34.340 and the repair and buffer. The northern part of the 00:40:34.340 --> 00:40:36.559 existing subdivision it was 00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:41.780 found that it was heavily impacted and graded. We are 00:40:41.780 --> 00:40:44.400 suspecting it was the 00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:48.590 result of the letter of map revisions for Regency Oaks that 00:40:48.590 --> 00:40:50.360 was done in 1999. 00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:56.039 Just to for your information, Regency Oaks came before the 00:40:56.039 --> 00:40:56.480 Denton 00:40:56.480 --> 00:41:00.559 Development Code was in place or any of the subchapter 17 00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:01.320 that provides 00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:04.639 protections to environmentally sensitive areas. Even though 00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:06.119 they did very similar 00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:09.309 to what this development is requesting to do tonight, they 00:41:09.309 --> 00:41:10.199 were not subject to 00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:15.059 the protection of the ESA at the time. On the repair and 00:41:15.059 --> 00:41:17.360 buffer pretty much one 00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:21.960 third of the of the repair and buffer the northern set have 00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:22.920 been heavily 00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:28.349 modified. There's not a defined channel anymore. It is more 00:41:28.349 --> 00:41:29.159 like a series of 00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:34.750 pools and that area is also been mowed, vegetated but have 00:41:34.750 --> 00:41:35.760 been mowed. So you 00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:39.690 don't have that typical repair and buffer. We also assess 00:41:39.690 --> 00:41:40.679 the vegetation 00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:44.920 present and they were not wetland related vegetation 00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:45.880 present either. It was 00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:51.880 more upland in character. The downstream two-thirds of the 00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:54.119 site it looks like I 00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:57.909 have not been touched and I will retain the characteristic 00:41:57.909 --> 00:41:58.840 of a more natural 00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:04.269 area and we maintain the repair and buffer designation for 00:42:04.269 --> 00:42:05.480 that segment. 00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:10.059 This table summarizes all the disturbances that are going 00:42:10.059 --> 00:42:10.880 to be done 00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:15.280 within the area and I did that just to give you a complete 00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:16.800 picture of it but I 00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:19.980 just wanted to bring to your attention that only the cells 00:42:19.980 --> 00:42:20.800 highlighted in 00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:25.000 yellow triggers an alternative ESA plan. The first the 00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:26.400 repair and buffer 00:42:26.400 --> 00:42:31.820 designation that was removed is no longer an ESA therefore 00:42:31.820 --> 00:42:33.000 a disturb in 00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:36.460 that area will not trigger an alternative ESA plan. The 00:42:36.460 --> 00:42:38.320 repair and buffer the 00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:42.679 applicant have agreed to keep all disturbances outside the 00:42:42.679 --> 00:42:43.280 repair and 00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:46.590 buffer therefore there are there's no encroachment no need 00:42:46.590 --> 00:42:47.679 to include that as 00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:51.059 a part of the alternative ESA plan. The developed flood 00:42:51.059 --> 00:42:52.000 plain there's no 00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:54.949 protection of the habitat when a floodplain have been 00:42:54.949 --> 00:42:55.920 heavily modified 00:42:55.920 --> 00:43:00.320 therefore will not trigger either the alternative ESA plan. 00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:01.800 Only the section 00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:07.760 that deals with the undeveloped floodplain matters for this 00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:10.280 application. 00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:14.239 This is a detail that the applicant provided to show where 00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:15.119 the field is 00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:20.760 going to be placed. The field area is right here okay and 00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:23.840 this is this seems 00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:28.090 to the purpose of this detail is just to show you what a 00:43:28.090 --> 00:43:30.079 crossing of that stream 00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:34.239 looks like. This is the center line of the stream and 00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:35.960 because it's a repair and 00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:40.880 buffer we provide protection 50 feet on both directions for 00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:43.000 a total of 100 feet. 00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:48.420 The applicant has also stated that they will put any fields 00:43:48.420 --> 00:43:50.239 any field outside any 00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:55.079 tree drip line so in case that there were a tree right at 00:43:55.079 --> 00:43:56.800 the edge of the 00:43:56.800 --> 00:44:02.869 repair and buffer they will push the field further out not 00:44:02.869 --> 00:44:05.400 to put any any 00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:09.340 hazard or stress on those trees so they are cognizant of 00:44:09.340 --> 00:44:10.780 the protection of the 00:44:10.780 --> 00:44:14.840 repair and buffer. So this is the area that we are 00:44:14.840 --> 00:44:16.440 considering which happens 00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:22.849 to be the fringes of the floodplain. This is an image of 00:44:22.849 --> 00:44:25.320 what the floodplain looks 00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:30.510 like in dark blue and if the reclamation work is done how 00:44:30.510 --> 00:44:31.800 the floodplain is going 00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:36.409 to looks like and it's pretty much is going to shrink in 00:44:36.409 --> 00:44:38.519 size. I have broken 00:44:38.519 --> 00:44:42.809 down the changes between the existing floodplain and what 00:44:42.809 --> 00:44:44.119 the proposed flood 00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:50.219 plan would be. Again the things that matter for the for the 00:44:50.219 --> 00:44:51.239 alternative ESA 00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:55.269 plan is highlighted in yellow and you see that they are 00:44:55.269 --> 00:44:57.760 going from almost 300,000 00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:02.880 square feet of floodplain 229 okay which is a difference of 00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:03.800 hundred and seventy 00:45:03.800 --> 00:45:08.880 thousand square feet which is a little bit almost 3.9 acres 00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:09.599 that they will be 00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:15.949 able to reclaim and developed as a part of this development 00:45:15.949 --> 00:45:19.639 . The applicants have 00:45:19.639 --> 00:45:24.110 proposed multiple strategies as a mitigation for the for 00:45:24.110 --> 00:45:24.880 the encroachment 00:45:24.880 --> 00:45:29.039 that they are causing within the undeveloped floodplain. We 00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:30.199 have mentioned 00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:32.659 this already a fill material will be placed outside the 00:45:32.659 --> 00:45:33.719 drip lines of existing 00:45:33.719 --> 00:45:37.159 trees along the creek or the boundary of the repair and 00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:39.760 buffer whichever is wider. 00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:43.550 Grading will be concentrated on the northern portion of the 00:45:43.550 --> 00:45:44.280 side where 00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:48.079 there's the repair and buffer designation have already 00:45:48.079 --> 00:45:49.519 removed or where the 00:45:49.519 --> 00:45:52.699 debate of where the floodplain is considered to be 00:45:52.699 --> 00:45:54.159 developed and less and 00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:58.909 having less value from a habitat standpoint. The street 00:45:58.909 --> 00:46:00.039 layout minimizes 00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:02.559 disturbances of the repair and buffer because they are 00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:03.559 putting that street 00:46:03.559 --> 00:46:09.719 along the northern side of the project. They are proposing 00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:11.840 to remove all invasive 00:46:11.840 --> 00:46:15.639 species found in the repair and buffer and floodplain and 00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:16.519 re vegetated with 00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:21.239 native species. They have us secure the services of tree 00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:26.210 Sherport as their consultant to this this work. They are 00:46:26.210 --> 00:46:27.920 instead of putting a 00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:31.110 pilot channel throughout the floodplain they are going to 00:46:31.110 --> 00:46:32.440 actually leave it as an 00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:36.369 earth and channel which allows for the for vegetation to 00:46:36.369 --> 00:46:37.480 grow and be more 00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:44.300 natural and they they use the lower density that they have 00:46:44.300 --> 00:46:46.320 agree on as a way 00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:50.250 for mitigating for additional runoff. Commissioner Beck. 00:46:50.250 --> 00:46:53.320 Thank you chair. Deborah 00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:58.739 would suit our purposes here to ask you or wait later and 00:46:58.739 --> 00:47:00.320 ask the developers 00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:03.539 on their method of removing the invasive species. They 00:47:03.539 --> 00:47:04.960 mentioned the possibility 00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:08.690 of using herbicide should you want to discuss that now or I 00:47:08.690 --> 00:47:10.239 can I can raise 00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:13.059 the question with them at the public hearing so I'm going 00:47:13.059 --> 00:47:14.280 to do my best but 00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:17.059 if you don't get satisfied with my answer I would say 00:47:17.059 --> 00:47:18.119 follow up with the 00:47:18.119 --> 00:47:24.199 applicant. Well Chinese privet is a bit invasive species 00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:25.239 and is very aggressive 00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:29.800 to get rid of them is is hard to do and most of the time is 00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:30.840 done mechanically 00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:35.639 but also they actually go and this is what the applicant is 00:47:35.639 --> 00:47:37.119 contemplating to 00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:40.409 do that if the mechanical removal is not sufficient they 00:47:40.409 --> 00:47:41.679 will actually go and 00:47:41.679 --> 00:47:46.800 paint the the stats of the of the plan with herbicide so in 00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:49.840 that way heals the 00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:53.769 the invasive species and give an opportunity for native to 00:47:53.769 --> 00:47:54.400 actually 00:47:54.400 --> 00:47:59.219 flourish and and take and thrive. I believe your concern is 00:47:59.219 --> 00:48:01.039 the use of herbicides 00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:04.239 there are different type of herbicides that they can use 00:48:04.239 --> 00:48:05.599 the application is 00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:09.880 meant to be on a on the stump of the plan no it's not like 00:48:09.880 --> 00:48:10.840 you are going to 00:48:10.840 --> 00:48:15.000 spray that area that's how the application should be done. 00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:15.719 If you want 00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:19.050 to pick the applicant's brain about what type of herbicides 00:48:19.050 --> 00:48:20.119 or the selections 00:48:20.119 --> 00:48:23.550 of their contemplated I would suggest that you follow up 00:48:23.550 --> 00:48:24.800 with the applicant. 00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:45.190 Well, when you apply with a brush to the stump itself you 00:48:45.190 --> 00:48:47.320 are reducing the chances. 00:48:47.320 --> 00:48:50.840 One concern that I will have watch the weather you know if 00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:52.159 it's raining next 00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:55.409 day don't do it because probably the rain will wash out 00:48:55.409 --> 00:48:56.239 that so there are 00:48:56.239 --> 00:48:59.989 precautions that you can that you can do it or you can take 00:48:59.989 --> 00:49:01.000 to prevent and 00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:04.760 minimize that type of situation. Yes sir. 00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:07.230 Christopher Sanchez. One of the things that you know 00:49:07.230 --> 00:49:10.570 looking at and I guess that's where you would come in make 00:49:10.570 --> 00:49:10.840 sure it's 00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:15.199 it's either soil active or soil inactive because if you put 00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:15.480 a soil 00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:19.530 actives it'll move through the soil as opposed to an in 00:49:19.530 --> 00:49:21.159 active one. Yeah. And that's 00:49:21.159 --> 00:49:24.769 I mean if you put it with a paintbrush it won't go from 00:49:24.769 --> 00:49:26.000 that spot if it's in 00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:33.510 actives it's soil inactive. Yeah so they are a wide variety 00:49:33.510 --> 00:49:35.000 of herbicides out there 00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:38.179 in the market and they are suitable for some specific 00:49:38.179 --> 00:49:39.519 conditions so I'm sure 00:49:39.519 --> 00:49:42.699 that the applicant would be you know the consultant that 00:49:42.699 --> 00:49:43.639 they do this for living 00:49:43.639 --> 00:49:47.159 will hopefully look into it but again staff is always 00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:48.719 available if they ever 00:49:48.719 --> 00:49:56.230 have a question. Any other questions? And at this point I 00:49:56.230 --> 00:49:58.119 will transition to Haley 00:49:58.119 --> 00:50:02.199 for discussion about the opposition. 00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:11.019 All right so to kind of wrap up and conclude the 00:50:11.019 --> 00:50:12.199 presentation here 00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:15.150 notification of this case was sent this alternative ESA 00:50:15.150 --> 00:50:16.239 plans do follow our 00:50:16.239 --> 00:50:19.829 zoning process so we followed all the same notification 00:50:19.829 --> 00:50:20.960 procedures so as 00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:23.510 replaced in the newspaper the applicant posted the required 00:50:23.510 --> 00:50:24.079 signs on the 00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:28.099 property and then we did mail the 200 and 500 foot 00:50:28.099 --> 00:50:30.360 notifications. Prior to this 00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:33.710 meeting I've received one in opposition and two actually I 00:50:33.710 --> 00:50:34.760 believe it may be 00:50:34.760 --> 00:50:38.059 three that were in favor now I got one at the last minute 00:50:38.059 --> 00:50:39.000 and provided it to 00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:42.480 you this evening and the primary concerns that were 00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:43.159 expressed were 00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:46.110 regarding the trees on the property and concerns that 00:50:46.110 --> 00:50:47.639 drainage could be impacted 00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:50.940 in the north the neighborhood to the north. The applicant 00:50:50.940 --> 00:50:51.320 did hold a 00:50:51.320 --> 00:50:53.340 neighborhood meeting and I believe they addressed quite a 00:50:53.340 --> 00:50:54.239 few of those concerns 00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:57.420 at that time they had a lengthy discussion with the 00:50:57.420 --> 00:50:58.519 neighbors about how 00:50:58.519 --> 00:51:00.539 they would be improving drainage conditions hopefully by 00:51:00.539 --> 00:51:01.239 kind of opening 00:51:01.239 --> 00:51:03.360 up the channel in places where it's been really narrowed 00:51:03.360 --> 00:51:04.280 down under that gravel 00:51:04.280 --> 00:51:07.460 driveway as well as alleviating some of their concerns 00:51:07.460 --> 00:51:08.519 about their plan to 00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:14.449 maintain as many trees on the side as possible. So with 00:51:14.449 --> 00:51:17.280 that a staff is 00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:20.079 recommending approval of the requests with four conditions 00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:21.320 the first being 00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:25.320 that disturbance of the ESA not exceed fill in excess of 00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:27.519 190,000 450 square feet 00:51:27.519 --> 00:51:30.469 within the undeveloped floodplain the second being that 00:51:30.469 --> 00:51:31.360 invasive species 00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:34.349 within the ESA area shall be removed as was indicated in 00:51:34.349 --> 00:51:36.039 their plan the third 00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:38.579 being that plants installed as part of the proposed native 00:51:38.579 --> 00:51:39.760 flora revegetation 00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:42.650 be installed and maintained by the current property owner 00:51:42.650 --> 00:51:43.920 or a developer for 00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:46.699 a period of three years following that installation any 00:51:46.699 --> 00:51:47.800 plants that are removed 00:51:47.800 --> 00:51:50.309 destroyed or die within the three-year period would be 00:51:50.309 --> 00:51:51.400 required to be replaced 00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:54.840 by that current property owner and then the fourth be just 00:51:54.840 --> 00:51:55.719 to solidify that no 00:51:55.719 --> 00:52:00.059 encroachment into areas designated as riparian buffer ESA. 00:52:00.059 --> 00:52:01.119 I'd be happy to 00:52:01.119 --> 00:52:03.210 answer any questions or we can have Deborah back up if 00:52:03.210 --> 00:52:04.199 needed to address any 00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:08.440 other concerns. Thank you Chair. Yeah Deborah did have one 00:52:08.440 --> 00:52:09.239 question one 00:52:09.239 --> 00:52:16.400 other question for you. In the applicant's narrative they 00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:17.519 mentioned that it was 00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:23.199 determined on April 2017 that three threatened and 00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:25.119 endangered species could 00:52:25.119 --> 00:52:27.610 be present inside here and I assume they're talking animal 00:52:27.610 --> 00:52:29.039 species? Yes. Okay 00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:33.360 they never did say what those species were and it also says 00:52:33.360 --> 00:52:34.079 upon a field 00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:37.829 investigation by Jones and Ridenhauer they concluded that 00:52:37.829 --> 00:52:39.000 there do not appear 00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:42.179 to be any federally listed threatened or endangered species 00:52:42.179 --> 00:52:43.320 . I was just curious 00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:46.269 they didn't state when that field investigation was done. I 00:52:46.269 --> 00:52:46.920 gave that April 00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:52.519 3rd. Correct and that information comes from the National 00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:53.159 Environmental 00:52:53.159 --> 00:52:57.389 Policy Act which is a federal law that requires any federal 00:52:57.389 --> 00:52:58.599 agency making a 00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:02.409 decision of a project to consider the environmental impacts 00:53:02.409 --> 00:53:03.519 that you will have. 00:53:03.519 --> 00:53:07.559 For for them to do this reclamation work they have to go 00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:09.159 through FEMA and submit 00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:12.340 a conditional letter of matte revision. Okay as a part of 00:53:12.340 --> 00:53:13.280 that that's what that 00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:17.400 tree is triggered and what they do they go to the site. 00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:19.400 Those three species that 00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:23.190 they're mentioned is because they are known to be in within 00:53:23.190 --> 00:53:24.400 this region and 00:53:24.400 --> 00:53:27.849 they have submitted they have contacted the Texas Park and 00:53:27.849 --> 00:53:29.920 Wildlife who pretty 00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:35.510 much oversee that part of information and they did a field 00:53:35.510 --> 00:53:36.079 assessment just to 00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:39.679 I'm sorry a field visit to determine if the habit that was 00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:40.599 present or if the 00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:44.289 species were there or they were nesting in that area and 00:53:44.289 --> 00:53:46.280 they provided that 00:53:46.280 --> 00:53:49.960 information to the Texas Park and Wildlife and they 00:53:49.960 --> 00:53:51.360 determined that that 00:53:51.360 --> 00:53:55.889 was sufficient. So we got a letter documentation from the 00:53:55.889 --> 00:53:56.800 Texas Park and 00:53:56.800 --> 00:53:59.750 Wildlife on that matter. There was a determination of no 00:53:59.750 --> 00:54:00.840 effect. Of no effect 00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:03.599 because they are not present. What just out of curiosity 00:54:03.599 --> 00:54:04.679 what three species are we 00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:11.269 talking about? Possum? No there's a crane one of them. Let 00:54:11.269 --> 00:54:12.760 me see if I can do it that 00:54:12.760 --> 00:54:16.199 research before the public hearing. Okay that's good thank 00:54:16.199 --> 00:54:17.840 you. You're welcome. 00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:23.880 It's talking it's also talking it talks about native floor 00:54:23.880 --> 00:54:25.159 vegetation is it is 00:54:25.159 --> 00:54:28.590 also and then but earlier on when I was reading through 00:54:28.590 --> 00:54:30.079 this information you 00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:32.550 know we're also talking about grasses and herbaceous 00:54:32.550 --> 00:54:33.920 vegetation. Correct. So 00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:37.869 that's also that'll also be under a three-year. Correct. 00:54:37.869 --> 00:54:38.559 Okay I just want to 00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:42.019 Is everything that will be installed. Okay. And as a part 00:54:42.019 --> 00:54:43.639 of the report that they put 00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:47.119 together they included the species that they're going to 00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:48.239 look from from the 00:54:48.239 --> 00:54:53.000 trees and from also the herbaceous material. Right. 00:54:54.280 --> 00:55:02.469 Any other questions? I think we're good. Thank you. Next on 00:55:02.469 --> 00:55:05.599 the agenda is Z 18 - 15 00:55:05.599 --> 00:55:10.199 it's also Haley this is a zoning case. 00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:25.809 Alright so this is case Z 18 - 15 for Audreau Oaks. The 00:55:25.809 --> 00:55:27.199 request before you is a 00:55:27.199 --> 00:55:30.469 rezoning from neighborhood residential 2 to neighborhood 00:55:30.469 --> 00:55:31.599 residential 4 district. 00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:35.099 The subject property again is outlined in yellow on the map 00:55:35.099 --> 00:55:36.440 it is just over 13 00:55:36.440 --> 00:55:39.929 acres and you can see here it is located on the south side 00:55:39.929 --> 00:55:41.579 of the east-west leg of 00:55:41.579 --> 00:55:45.900 Audreau Lane and is located just west of Barbara Street. So 00:55:45.900 --> 00:55:47.599 to look at what this 00:55:47.599 --> 00:55:50.420 rezoning would look like on our map you can see on the left 00:55:50.420 --> 00:55:51.360 the current zoning 00:55:51.360 --> 00:55:56.340 of NR 2 and then on the right the proposed zoning of NR 4. 00:55:56.340 --> 00:55:57.599 The applicant 00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:00.780 did provide a concept plan for your consideration. Due to 00:56:00.780 --> 00:56:01.599 the scale of it I 00:56:01.599 --> 00:56:04.130 couldn't get it to rotate the correct way so north is to 00:56:04.130 --> 00:56:04.880 the left on the 00:56:04.880 --> 00:56:08.670 screen but you can see here Audreau Lane so they would have 00:56:08.670 --> 00:56:10.159 one primary street 00:56:10.159 --> 00:56:12.170 connection through here that would tie into Oak Valley 00:56:12.170 --> 00:56:13.199 Street on the south side 00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:16.750 and then there is a proposed connection to a street that 00:56:16.750 --> 00:56:18.079 would be on the west 00:56:18.079 --> 00:56:21.730 side of the property. If you remember there were a couple 00:56:21.730 --> 00:56:22.639 of rezoning's in 00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:26.150 recent in the past year to NR 6 adjoining this. Those 00:56:26.150 --> 00:56:27.119 subdivisions are in 00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:29.269 the preliminary plotting process at this point so they know 00:56:29.269 --> 00:56:30.000 that that street 00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:33.630 connection would be a viable option for them. And then some 00:56:33.630 --> 00:56:34.800 of the key features 00:56:34.800 --> 00:56:38.849 to look at on this concept plan. The lots that are shown in 00:56:38.849 --> 00:56:40.199 orange here are where 00:56:40.199 --> 00:56:43.460 they would have a detached single-family homes proposed. In 00:56:43.460 --> 00:56:44.159 blue you can see 00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:48.329 areas where they would they've proposed duplexes and then 00:56:48.329 --> 00:56:49.920 this 5.3 acre parcel 00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:52.480 that I've outlined in green is proposed as either a 00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:53.920 dedication to the city in 00:56:53.920 --> 00:56:57.929 the form of a park or as an HOA maintained green space and 00:56:57.929 --> 00:56:58.840 they are in 00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:01.559 communications with our Parks Department to have those 00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:02.239 preliminary 00:57:02.239 --> 00:57:05.840 discussions about whether this would be a viable city park 00:57:05.840 --> 00:57:07.960 option. So as you were 00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:10.920 familiar with by now there are two criteria outlined in the 00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:11.360 DDC for a 00:57:11.360 --> 00:57:14.539 rezoning request. Does it conform to our future land use 00:57:14.539 --> 00:57:15.719 plan within the Denton 00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:19.510 Plan 2030 and is there adequate provision of infrastructure 00:57:19.510 --> 00:57:21.460 ? So the 00:57:21.460 --> 00:57:24.099 future land use designation for this area is low 00:57:24.099 --> 00:57:26.320 residential. This designation 00:57:26.320 --> 00:57:29.599 is applied to areas where we intend residential development 00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:30.440 to occur between 00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:33.320 one and four dwelling units per acre. The comp plan does 00:57:33.320 --> 00:57:34.480 encourage a mixture of 00:57:34.480 --> 00:57:37.699 housing types and prices within these areas. It also 00:57:37.699 --> 00:57:38.699 encourages that 00:57:38.699 --> 00:57:41.170 development be consistent and compatible with what's 00:57:41.170 --> 00:57:43.280 surrounding. So in looking at 00:57:43.280 --> 00:57:46.159 this we found the NR4 district is consistent with this. It 00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:46.559 permits a 00:57:46.559 --> 00:57:49.320 maximum of one dwelling unit or I'm sorry that should be 00:57:49.320 --> 00:57:50.480 four dwelling units per 00:57:50.480 --> 00:57:53.769 acre. It permits single-family homes by right and duplexes 00:57:53.769 --> 00:57:54.639 are permitted with 00:57:54.639 --> 00:58:00.500 limitations. So to look at that in a little more depth, NR4 00:58:00.500 --> 00:58:01.840 is kind of 00:58:01.840 --> 00:58:03.940 surrounding the property on a couple of sides. So we have 00:58:03.940 --> 00:58:04.960 NR4 to the south and 00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:09.119 NR4 to the east. There's also NR2, NR6, and NR3 in this 00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:10.000 area. So it's kind of a 00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:14.079 mixed density area. So NR4 is consistent with this existing 00:58:14.079 --> 00:58:14.880 development pattern. 00:58:14.880 --> 00:58:17.349 The single-family use that's permitted by right would be 00:58:17.349 --> 00:58:18.519 directly compatible with 00:58:18.519 --> 00:58:23.159 other uses in the area. Duplexes as I mentioned are limited 00:58:23.159 --> 00:58:23.880 within the zoning 00:58:23.880 --> 00:58:28.630 district. So the code requires that duplexes be on lots 00:58:28.630 --> 00:58:30.079 that do not abut the 00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:32.210 perimeter of the subdivision. So you saw in their concept 00:58:32.210 --> 00:58:33.039 plan they have the park 00:58:33.039 --> 00:58:35.820 on one side, some single-family homes on the south side, 00:58:35.820 --> 00:58:36.840 and then some alleyways 00:58:36.840 --> 00:58:40.019 that would separate this from direct contact with the 00:58:40.019 --> 00:58:40.760 perimeter of the 00:58:40.760 --> 00:58:44.809 subdivision. It also requires that each unit within the du 00:58:44.809 --> 00:58:45.440 plex be on a 00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:48.280 separately platted lot that's designed to be individually 00:58:48.280 --> 00:58:49.840 sold. So as part of 00:58:49.840 --> 00:58:51.849 their preliminary plat they would be required to plait 00:58:51.849 --> 00:58:52.559 those duplexes on 00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:55.860 individual lots so that they could be owned as a 00:58:55.860 --> 00:58:58.039 traditional home. And then the 00:58:58.039 --> 00:59:01.219 limitation also requires compliance with subchapter 13, 00:59:01.219 --> 00:59:02.159 which specifically 00:59:02.159 --> 00:59:05.050 requires that duplexes within the city of Denton look like 00:59:05.050 --> 00:59:06.079 one single-family 00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:09.260 unit from the structures or from the street. So that would 00:59:09.260 --> 00:59:09.599 be, you know, only 00:59:09.599 --> 00:59:12.070 one front door could face the street for example. It would 00:59:12.070 --> 00:59:13.199 have to maintain the 00:59:13.199 --> 00:59:16.679 look and feel of a single-family home. Commissioner Beck. 00:59:16.679 --> 00:59:17.840 Thank you Chair. Let me ask 00:59:17.840 --> 00:59:21.199 something at this point. You've got two dwelling units in 00:59:21.199 --> 00:59:23.920 the duplex. So say one 00:59:23.920 --> 00:59:27.670 side doesn't sell for a while. The appearance of the other 00:59:27.670 --> 00:59:29.000 side, say the lawn, 00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:33.480 gets out of hand. How is that built with in this case? It 00:59:33.480 --> 00:59:34.039 would fall back on 00:59:34.039 --> 00:59:37.320 whoever owns the property at that time. So one side of the 00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:38.119 duplex could sell and 00:59:38.119 --> 00:59:41.300 say the developer or someone else could would still have 00:59:41.300 --> 00:59:42.280 the other half of that 00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:47.710 property and be responsible for it. And looking at the 00:59:47.710 --> 00:59:49.639 other criteria, there is 00:59:49.639 --> 00:59:52.559 infrastructure available to the site. So you can see Audre 00:59:52.559 --> 00:59:53.780 Lane is a collector at 00:59:53.780 --> 00:59:56.500 this point. So there would be access there as well as those 00:59:56.500 --> 00:59:57.000 other points of 00:59:57.000 --> 01:00:00.179 connectivity to the surrounding neighborhoods. Water and 01:00:00.179 --> 01:00:01.079 sewer service 01:00:01.079 --> 01:00:05.550 are also adequately available here to the site. Once again, 01:00:05.550 --> 01:00:06.679 notification was 01:00:06.679 --> 01:00:09.150 given about this case. The applicant did post the required 01:00:09.150 --> 01:00:10.599 signs on the property. 01:00:10.599 --> 01:00:13.210 Notifications were mailed to surrounding property owners 01:00:13.210 --> 01:00:13.840 and there was a 01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:17.469 neighborhood meeting held. So you can see here we did have 01:00:17.469 --> 01:00:18.440 a few responses in 01:00:18.440 --> 01:00:21.719 opposition, one of which was outside that 200-foot buffer. 01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:23.119 Those few additional 01:00:23.119 --> 01:00:25.650 responses were provided to you prior to this meeting. There 01:00:25.650 --> 01:00:26.880 were some responses in 01:00:26.880 --> 01:00:30.070 favor and I did attend the neighborhood meeting and there 01:00:30.070 --> 01:00:30.519 was some 01:00:30.519 --> 01:00:33.699 concern about traffic through the area, particularly on Oak 01:00:33.699 --> 01:00:34.519 Valley going up to 01:00:34.519 --> 01:00:39.239 Audre. But overall it seemed to be a rather positive field. 01:00:39.239 --> 01:00:39.599 The neighbors 01:00:39.599 --> 01:00:42.289 weren't not necessarily opposed to duplexes. They felt it 01:00:42.289 --> 01:00:43.000 was a new use that 01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:46.179 would be introduced to the area. But if those were owned, 01:00:46.179 --> 01:00:46.920 they seemed to be 01:00:46.920 --> 01:00:50.099 generally okay with the idea. Although some did have 01:00:50.099 --> 01:00:50.840 concerns about the 01:00:50.840 --> 01:00:55.940 high density. But with that, staff is recommending approval 01:00:55.940 --> 01:00:56.679 of the request. We 01:00:56.679 --> 01:00:59.139 found it to be consistent with our criteria for approval. I 01:00:59.139 --> 01:01:00.039 'd be happy to 01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:04.840 answer any questions. Thank you Chair. Haley, in the staff 01:01:04.840 --> 01:01:05.880 analysis it was 01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:08.489 mentioned that you had concern over the duplexes. You didn 01:01:08.489 --> 01:01:09.400 't really say what that 01:01:09.400 --> 01:01:12.280 those concerns were or how they were alleviated. So can you 01:01:12.280 --> 01:01:13.079 enlighten me on 01:01:13.079 --> 01:01:15.550 that? Certainly. You know, kind of like some of the 01:01:15.550 --> 01:01:16.480 neighbors, we felt that it 01:01:16.480 --> 01:01:19.920 would be a new use for this particular area. They're always 01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:21.039 as concerned with 01:01:21.039 --> 01:01:23.510 duplexes over it being a rental property. But with the 01:01:23.510 --> 01:01:24.800 limitations that our code 01:01:24.800 --> 01:01:27.980 already imposes on that use, it can be made more compatible 01:01:27.980 --> 01:01:29.000 . They are designed 01:01:29.000 --> 01:01:31.199 to be individually sold and maintained as a single-family 01:01:31.199 --> 01:01:32.079 home. So that would 01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:35.500 help. And then in addition to that, there is on the concept 01:01:35.500 --> 01:01:36.599 plan you can see some 01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:39.469 significant separation between the duplexes and the 01:01:39.469 --> 01:01:40.239 surrounding 01:01:40.239 --> 01:01:43.440 neighborhoods. So you know the park for example would 01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:44.559 greatly separate them 01:01:44.559 --> 01:01:48.309 from those homes to the east. But that was our general 01:01:48.309 --> 01:01:49.679 thought process on this. 01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:52.360 We felt that the limitations that are already in the code 01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:53.639 kind of address the 01:01:53.639 --> 01:01:57.679 concern of this being a new use introduced to the area. 01:01:57.679 --> 01:01:58.559 Commissioner 01:01:58.559 --> 01:02:01.760 Sanchez. Being that they're gonna have a homeowners 01:02:01.760 --> 01:02:03.360 association here, is there 01:02:03.360 --> 01:02:07.889 anything that would, I know a while back I heard where a 01:02:07.889 --> 01:02:08.480 homeowner's 01:02:08.480 --> 01:02:12.800 association had a percentage of that they would allow only 01:02:12.800 --> 01:02:13.760 a percentage of 01:02:13.760 --> 01:02:17.090 those houses to be rentals. Would something like that work? 01:02:17.090 --> 01:02:17.960 Because a lot of 01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:23.389 times those duplexes end up in investment property. But 01:02:23.389 --> 01:02:24.079 being that this 01:02:24.079 --> 01:02:27.519 is a homeowners association associated with these duplexes, 01:02:27.519 --> 01:02:28.360 I mean is there 01:02:28.360 --> 01:02:32.610 anything that I just I guess I was just throwing that out. 01:02:32.610 --> 01:02:33.480 Could the homeowners 01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:39.989 association state a what only a 1% of these duplexes can be 01:02:39.989 --> 01:02:41.119 investments or 01:02:41.119 --> 01:02:43.809 rentals? I believe that's certainly something they could 01:02:43.809 --> 01:02:45.000 willingly impose but 01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:47.550 the city wouldn't be involved in that process. Those would 01:02:47.550 --> 01:02:48.260 be kind of private 01:02:48.260 --> 01:02:50.730 deed restrictions imposed by the developer but but that 01:02:50.730 --> 01:02:51.159 could be an 01:02:51.159 --> 01:02:56.079 option that they could look into. Commissioner Beck. Thank 01:02:56.079 --> 01:02:57.320 you chair. I have 01:02:57.320 --> 01:03:03.130 several concerns here. In regards to Commissioner Sanchez's 01:03:03.130 --> 01:03:05.139 concern about the 01:03:05.139 --> 01:03:11.820 HOA. The HOA is the developers responsibility until the all 01:03:11.820 --> 01:03:12.239 the 01:03:12.239 --> 01:03:14.849 developments done. Is that correct? And then once that's 01:03:14.849 --> 01:03:15.840 done then homeowners 01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:19.199 take it over. I believe there's typically a trigger point 01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:19.599 in there once 01:03:19.599 --> 01:03:22.030 so many homes have been sold that it would transition from 01:03:22.030 --> 01:03:22.679 the developer to 01:03:22.679 --> 01:03:27.519 those homeowners. Okay. One concern I have about the it was 01:03:27.519 --> 01:03:29.840 mentioned that they 01:03:29.840 --> 01:03:34.420 would like to see that green area either taken over by the 01:03:34.420 --> 01:03:35.760 city as a part or 01:03:35.760 --> 01:03:38.480 maintained by a homeowners association and a homeowner 01:03:38.480 --> 01:03:40.480 association with 47 01:03:40.480 --> 01:03:43.800 dwellers units. I don't know your fees that have to be 01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:45.440 pretty high. I would 01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:48.269 think to maintain that as a part so I don't see that as a 01:03:48.269 --> 01:03:49.440 feasible option. 01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:52.909 Would love to see the city take it over but can we afford 01:03:52.909 --> 01:03:54.119 it as in the budget? 01:03:54.119 --> 01:03:57.510 So and I'm kind of throwing this out because I'm hoping the 01:03:57.510 --> 01:03:58.599 applicants in here 01:03:58.599 --> 01:04:02.219 now we can deal with it more detail when you get out in the 01:04:02.219 --> 01:04:03.480 public hearing. We're 01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:06.630 going from we want to go from an NR2 to an NR4 and there's 01:04:06.630 --> 01:04:09.159 NR4 surrounding it. 01:04:09.159 --> 01:04:15.239 The duplexes are a concern. I'm glad they're gonna be owned 01:04:15.239 --> 01:04:16.440 , sold and owned by 01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:19.920 individuals but my feeling and I discussed it with a couple 01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:20.400 commissioners 01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:24.929 earlier is that duplexes tend to have a higher turnover 01:04:24.929 --> 01:04:26.159 into rental property 01:04:26.159 --> 01:04:31.269 than single-family. So I think that concern is there. This 01:04:31.269 --> 01:04:32.039 whole area is 01:04:32.039 --> 01:04:36.809 surrounded by single-family residential dwellings bounded 01:04:36.809 --> 01:04:38.360 by Audra on the north 01:04:38.360 --> 01:04:42.800 and on the west, Mankenburg on the east and then as far 01:04:42.800 --> 01:04:44.880 down as Paisley on the 01:04:44.880 --> 01:04:49.420 south. What's the percentage of duplexes in those areas? Do 01:04:49.420 --> 01:04:51.480 we know? As far as a 01:04:51.480 --> 01:04:54.099 percentage I'm not certain I know. Just down Audra here 01:04:54.099 --> 01:04:55.239 there there is a street 01:04:55.239 --> 01:04:58.750 of duplexes I believe you all have seen a plat recently for 01:04:58.750 --> 01:04:59.960 a continuation of 01:04:59.960 --> 01:05:03.570 that neighborhood with more duplexes intended but you are 01:05:03.570 --> 01:05:04.440 correct that the 01:05:04.440 --> 01:05:07.789 majority of this area is single-family. I will say that the 01:05:07.789 --> 01:05:08.840 density of it if you 01:05:08.840 --> 01:05:11.280 look at it is not necessarily for example the neighborhood 01:05:11.280 --> 01:05:11.760 to the north 01:05:11.760 --> 01:05:14.909 exceeds three and a half dwelling units per acre as we kind 01:05:14.909 --> 01:05:15.760 of discussed with 01:05:15.760 --> 01:05:18.280 some of these cases there's an average of four to five 01:05:18.280 --> 01:05:19.400 units per acre in this 01:05:19.400 --> 01:05:24.199 area. And these duplexes they don't exceed the density 01:05:24.199 --> 01:05:26.000 requirement? No they 01:05:26.000 --> 01:05:29.460 would be within the density for NR4 as proposed. Now I will 01:05:29.460 --> 01:05:30.480 say there there is a 01:05:30.480 --> 01:05:33.769 you know potentially lot coverage issues and parking issues 01:05:33.769 --> 01:05:34.400 that could could 01:05:34.400 --> 01:05:36.590 impact the site design here the concept plan we've seen 01:05:36.590 --> 01:05:37.639 here is certainly not 01:05:37.639 --> 01:05:41.719 set in stone because NR4 does have a 60% lot coverage 01:05:41.719 --> 01:05:43.199 maximum that that may be 01:05:43.199 --> 01:05:46.150 hard to attain on some of these duplex lots as well as the 01:05:46.150 --> 01:05:47.079 required for parking 01:05:47.079 --> 01:05:49.670 spaces so the applicants aware of those challenges and 01:05:49.670 --> 01:05:50.760 still looking at it but 01:05:50.760 --> 01:05:53.230 this is kind of their their ultimate hope if they could 01:05:53.230 --> 01:05:54.039 achieve this number 01:05:54.039 --> 01:05:58.469 of lots. Okay and if you would go back to that site plan 01:05:58.469 --> 01:06:00.239 that shows right there 01:06:00.239 --> 01:06:05.130 okay now at the bottom there it indicates that proposed 01:06:05.130 --> 01:06:06.559 street by others 01:06:06.559 --> 01:06:10.150 I don't know what that means but when you look at the 01:06:10.150 --> 01:06:11.599 concept plan it looks 01:06:11.599 --> 01:06:16.710 like there is no street you can go into there so there's 01:06:16.710 --> 01:06:18.599 not at this time if 01:06:18.599 --> 01:06:21.409 there's a house actually there though isn't there? That so 01:06:21.409 --> 01:06:22.280 that the 01:06:22.280 --> 01:06:24.820 orientation of the concept plan had north to the left side 01:06:24.820 --> 01:06:25.920 of the screen so 01:06:25.920 --> 01:06:28.440 that would be this side the proposed street that it showed 01:06:28.440 --> 01:06:29.440 by others would be 01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:39.679 in this general area. Okay where does the east westbound 01:06:39.679 --> 01:06:40.880 proposed street in the 01:06:40.880 --> 01:06:43.639 conception plan leak up to the street in the adjoining 01:06:43.639 --> 01:06:44.920 subdivision then will it 01:06:44.920 --> 01:06:52.429 can you show us that? That proposed street. Correct I 01:06:52.429 --> 01:06:53.760 believe it would roughly align 01:06:53.760 --> 01:06:55.960 with this street like I said this this subdivision that was 01:06:55.960 --> 01:06:56.800 rezoned last year 01:06:56.800 --> 01:06:59.269 they do have a preliminary plot in and I believe there they 01:06:59.269 --> 01:07:00.119 would be continuing 01:07:00.119 --> 01:07:02.590 this roadway across. Okay but it wouldn't connect to the 01:07:02.590 --> 01:07:04.119 subdivision on the east. 01:07:04.119 --> 01:07:08.460 No the park would would kind of end the street in this area 01:07:08.460 --> 01:07:10.039 . Okay and then the 01:07:10.039 --> 01:07:12.500 only other thing I was concerned about was the idea that 01:07:12.500 --> 01:07:13.199 that green area is 01:07:13.199 --> 01:07:19.289 just with 47 residents is there an HOA fee to maintain that 01:07:19.289 --> 01:07:20.480 would be too high 01:07:20.480 --> 01:07:24.800 so the feasibility of that it's kind of out of the question 01:07:24.800 --> 01:07:26.159 for me and I would 01:07:26.159 --> 01:07:29.960 again I would be supportive of the city because that area 01:07:29.960 --> 01:07:30.920 could use a little 01:07:30.920 --> 01:07:33.699 park area over there. So yeah it is on the Parks Department 01:07:33.699 --> 01:07:34.820 's radar they've the 01:07:34.820 --> 01:07:37.329 applicants had that discussion with them I called parks a 01:07:37.329 --> 01:07:38.199 few days ago just to 01:07:38.199 --> 01:07:39.809 ask where they're at and they said it is something that 01:07:39.809 --> 01:07:40.840 they're considering but 01:07:40.840 --> 01:07:43.300 they're kind of weighing some options for this area of town 01:07:43.300 --> 01:07:43.920 right now. Okay 01:07:43.920 --> 01:07:48.119 okay thank you. Commissioner Ellis. Thank you chair so my 01:07:48.119 --> 01:07:51.559 concern is knowing this is a zoning change and that's a 01:07:51.559 --> 01:07:53.280 concept plan there's 01:07:53.280 --> 01:07:56.170 really no guarantee that the park space would be there so 01:07:56.170 --> 01:07:57.440 if this development 01:07:57.440 --> 01:08:01.440 doesn't happen we've got this whole area's NR4 it would 01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:02.039 certainly could 01:08:02.039 --> 01:08:04.639 develop differently right because we didn't put any kind of 01:08:04.639 --> 01:08:05.440 restriction that 01:08:05.440 --> 01:08:08.920 has to be a park. It could I will say there are some 01:08:08.920 --> 01:08:09.800 challenges with that side 01:08:09.800 --> 01:08:12.260 of the property I think the applicant will probably have 01:08:12.260 --> 01:08:12.960 some diagrams that 01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:16.140 can speak to it a little bit better but the hatched area 01:08:16.140 --> 01:08:17.239 here is a natural gas 01:08:17.239 --> 01:08:20.460 pipeline that they wouldn't be able to develop on top of 01:08:20.460 --> 01:08:21.279 there is also 01:08:21.279 --> 01:08:24.640 somewhere in this general area running north-south a siz 01:08:24.640 --> 01:08:26.079 able drainage easement 01:08:26.079 --> 01:08:28.970 that was put in place when the subdivision to the south 01:08:28.970 --> 01:08:30.199 developed so 01:08:30.199 --> 01:08:33.060 there would be very limited space on that side of the 01:08:33.060 --> 01:08:34.399 property that could be 01:08:34.399 --> 01:08:38.119 developed with residences regardless of the zoning on the 01:08:38.119 --> 01:08:38.960 property because of 01:08:38.960 --> 01:08:44.600 those easements. So there's no guarantee we could put in 01:08:44.600 --> 01:08:46.560 that it could must be a 01:08:46.560 --> 01:08:52.149 green space with whoever does it. You could probably you 01:08:52.149 --> 01:08:53.199 know I will defer to 01:08:53.199 --> 01:08:55.659 Jerry on whether that could be a condition of the zoning 01:08:55.659 --> 01:08:56.100 that that be a 01:08:56.100 --> 01:08:58.569 green space but I would say it's unlikely it would be 01:08:58.569 --> 01:08:59.279 anything else 01:08:59.279 --> 01:09:03.319 because of those easements that are there. Stranger things 01:09:03.319 --> 01:09:04.439 have happened so 01:09:04.439 --> 01:09:12.239 that's my concern. The only question I have is this is 01:09:12.239 --> 01:09:13.439 strictly a zoning case 01:09:13.439 --> 01:09:15.909 the concept plan was just given for our identification of 01:09:15.909 --> 01:09:17.279 what they think where 01:09:17.279 --> 01:09:20.569 to look at more if it's good for the neighborhood for it to 01:09:20.569 --> 01:09:22.199 be an NR4 full 01:09:22.199 --> 01:09:25.920 stop correct apart from what they're presenting here to 01:09:25.920 --> 01:09:26.479 Commissioner Ellsons 01:09:26.479 --> 01:09:29.659 point this entire block we need to look at is it good for 01:09:29.659 --> 01:09:31.560 to be an NR4 they 01:09:31.560 --> 01:09:36.439 might not develop duplexes that's yet to be seen correct 01:09:36.439 --> 01:09:38.000 correct yeah if NR4 were 01:09:38.000 --> 01:09:40.649 approved you know anything permitted within NR4 could go 01:09:40.649 --> 01:09:41.560 there the primary 01:09:41.560 --> 01:09:43.729 uses that would be permitted would be single-family or du 01:09:43.729 --> 01:09:44.439 plexes with that 01:09:44.439 --> 01:09:47.619 limitation. There's no more intensive housing type that 01:09:47.619 --> 01:09:48.079 could be developed 01:09:48.079 --> 01:09:55.739 under NR4. Any other questions for Haley? Thanks Haley. We 01:09:55.739 --> 01:09:56.439 'll go ahead and 01:09:56.439 --> 01:10:00.970 take a five-minute break to get some food and be back and 01:10:00.970 --> 01:10:02.239 get a presentation 01:10:02.239 --> 01:10:05.159 on project types. 01:10:16.439 --> 01:10:20.010 And we are back at 621 in the work session for planning and 01:10:20.010 --> 01:10:21.800 zoning I'll 01:10:21.800 --> 01:10:25.729 invite Julie Wyatt for presentation. Julie if you could in 01:10:25.729 --> 01:10:26.560 the next nine 01:10:26.560 --> 01:10:30.489 minutes or so it's give us an overview of this boot camp it 01:10:30.489 --> 01:10:33.000 looks like. Then we 01:10:33.000 --> 01:10:35.460 might table to the next meeting but let's kick it off now 01:10:35.460 --> 01:10:36.039 and get started. 01:10:36.039 --> 01:10:39.220 All right my name is Julie Wyatt I'm a senior planner with 01:10:39.220 --> 01:10:40.279 the City of Denton. 01:10:40.279 --> 01:10:44.750 Tonight I was tasked to talk to you about project types in 01:10:44.750 --> 01:10:46.079 the approval body 01:10:46.079 --> 01:10:50.630 and and those processes of project types. We have some new 01:10:50.630 --> 01:10:51.760 P&Z Commissioners so 01:10:51.760 --> 01:10:54.520 we thought this might be a really good opportunity to to 01:10:54.520 --> 01:10:55.479 maybe take a take a 01:10:55.479 --> 01:11:00.399 step back and start a broader conversation regarding some 01:11:00.399 --> 01:11:00.760 planning 01:11:00.760 --> 01:11:04.079 topics how those relate to the City of Denton some some 01:11:04.079 --> 01:11:05.439 planning efforts that 01:11:05.439 --> 01:11:07.640 going that are going on with the City of Denton. So so 01:11:07.640 --> 01:11:09.600 tonight's the first step 01:11:09.600 --> 01:11:15.430 and and and so so we'll get started. Tonight we're just 01:11:15.430 --> 01:11:16.920 gonna bite off a 01:11:16.920 --> 01:11:19.510 little bit of the piece and that is the project types and 01:11:19.510 --> 01:11:20.479 the approving body. 01:11:20.479 --> 01:11:23.800 We're also going to talk about public hearing requirements 01:11:23.800 --> 01:11:25.399 just broadly and 01:11:25.399 --> 01:11:28.699 then if we probably won't have time we can we can fold this 01:11:28.699 --> 01:11:29.600 in at the next 01:11:29.600 --> 01:11:33.720 meeting land development development review process and 01:11:33.720 --> 01:11:34.640 then the development 01:11:34.640 --> 01:11:37.109 review turnaround some of the improvements that the 01:11:37.109 --> 01:11:37.560 department has 01:11:37.560 --> 01:11:40.739 made in terms of processing projects and getting in through 01:11:40.739 --> 01:11:41.720 the review process 01:11:41.720 --> 01:11:45.770 and approval process. So that being said we'll get we'll 01:11:45.770 --> 01:11:48.359 get we'll dive in. I've 01:11:48.359 --> 01:11:51.680 arranged the project types and kind of how they they work 01:11:51.680 --> 01:11:52.399 within the 01:11:52.399 --> 01:11:58.340 development process. So we'll start off with with typically 01:11:58.340 --> 01:11:59.760 the very first 01:11:59.760 --> 01:12:03.689 concept plan that we look at within the city. So when a 01:12:03.689 --> 01:12:05.199 developer or property 01:12:05.199 --> 01:12:08.380 owner has an idea of what they would like to do they they 01:12:08.380 --> 01:12:09.640 often contact the 01:12:09.640 --> 01:12:13.760 city and start what's called a pre-development meeting and 01:12:13.760 --> 01:12:14.319 what that 01:12:14.319 --> 01:12:16.909 meeting is is they they submit a concept plan maybe a 01:12:16.909 --> 01:12:17.920 narrative and some 01:12:17.920 --> 01:12:21.710 questions to us and then we sit down with them for about an 01:12:21.710 --> 01:12:22.640 hour and talk 01:12:22.640 --> 01:12:26.369 through the city processes associated with what they would 01:12:26.369 --> 01:12:27.680 need to do maybe 01:12:27.680 --> 01:12:30.350 some regulations that they want to be aware of talk about 01:12:30.350 --> 01:12:31.359 some challenges that 01:12:31.359 --> 01:12:34.039 they may face with their development and just go through 01:12:34.039 --> 01:12:35.640 that. So we often sit 01:12:35.640 --> 01:12:38.010 down with the developer property owner sometimes they have 01:12:38.010 --> 01:12:38.600 an engineer or 01:12:38.600 --> 01:12:41.779 architect and then the city departments that are often 01:12:41.779 --> 01:12:42.520 involved in these 01:12:42.520 --> 01:12:45.760 pre-development meetings are planning building inspections 01:12:45.760 --> 01:12:47.760 engineering fire so 01:12:47.760 --> 01:12:50.420 we try to work through some of those those items that they 01:12:50.420 --> 01:12:51.180 're going to be 01:12:51.180 --> 01:12:54.829 faced with as they develop. There's no approval for it it 01:12:54.829 --> 01:12:55.960 really is just the 01:12:55.960 --> 01:12:59.140 beginning of a conversation with them so so it just it 01:12:59.140 --> 01:13:00.399 stops at the review 01:13:00.399 --> 01:13:06.760 process. The second project types type that we're gonna 01:13:06.760 --> 01:13:07.720 talk about is is the 01:13:07.720 --> 01:13:11.800 entitlement and and that's kind of the next step in the 01:13:11.800 --> 01:13:12.960 process. So if during 01:13:12.960 --> 01:13:16.779 the pre-development meeting we determine that the property 01:13:16.779 --> 01:13:17.960 is in the ETJ and they 01:13:17.960 --> 01:13:21.140 would like to come into the city then the next project type 01:13:21.140 --> 01:13:21.600 would be an 01:13:21.600 --> 01:13:26.779 annexation. This this Commission doesn't doesn't hear annex 01:13:26.779 --> 01:13:27.539 ation so it goes 01:13:27.539 --> 01:13:32.449 straight to City Council for approval. The the next project 01:13:32.449 --> 01:13:33.600 types comprehensive 01:13:33.600 --> 01:13:36.449 plan amendment zoning change master plan community specific 01:13:36.449 --> 01:13:37.279 use permit plan 01:13:37.279 --> 01:13:40.050 development amendment. If you've been on the planning and 01:13:40.050 --> 01:13:41.159 zoning Commission for 01:13:41.159 --> 01:13:44.529 a while you're very familiar with these and they follow a 01:13:44.529 --> 01:13:45.880 process of staff 01:13:45.880 --> 01:13:50.010 review public hearing P&Z as the recommending body will 01:13:50.010 --> 01:13:50.479 make a 01:13:50.479 --> 01:13:53.659 recommendation and then City Council will either approve 01:13:53.659 --> 01:13:55.199 deny or approve with 01:13:55.199 --> 01:13:59.130 conditions depending on the project type. There are a 01:13:59.130 --> 01:14:00.239 couple more slides and then we'll 01:14:00.239 --> 01:14:03.489 let y'all get get on to your next meeting. So once the 01:14:03.489 --> 01:14:04.880 entitlement is in 01:14:04.880 --> 01:14:07.770 place then you start looking at how the property is going 01:14:07.770 --> 01:14:08.859 to develop and so we 01:14:08.859 --> 01:14:11.579 look at things like platting and ESAs. So Deborah gave a 01:14:11.579 --> 01:14:12.960 really good overview of 01:14:12.960 --> 01:14:15.770 ESAs in this city and that we do have those environmentally 01:14:15.770 --> 01:14:17.439 sensitive areas. So 01:14:17.439 --> 01:14:22.659 if if a piece of property has what may be an 01:14:22.659 --> 01:14:24.359 environmentally sensitive area on 01:14:24.359 --> 01:14:28.439 it the applicant will put in a project to to the city and 01:14:28.439 --> 01:14:29.479 they can either hire 01:14:29.479 --> 01:14:33.130 a consultant or they can ask Deborah and her group to go 01:14:33.130 --> 01:14:34.760 out and and and do a 01:14:34.760 --> 01:14:38.489 field assessment of the property. Look at the biological 01:14:38.489 --> 01:14:40.000 markers to see if an ESA 01:14:40.000 --> 01:14:42.590 is present and what and then what the the limits of that ES 01:14:42.590 --> 01:14:44.319 A are. So that that 01:14:44.319 --> 01:14:48.279 ends with staff and it's either approved that or it's 01:14:48.279 --> 01:14:49.439 either determined that 01:14:49.439 --> 01:14:52.260 there's an ESA there and and what those limits are or it's 01:14:52.260 --> 01:14:53.239 or the ESA is removed 01:14:53.239 --> 01:14:56.000 if those biological markers aren't there. So y'all would 01:14:56.000 --> 01:14:56.760 never see that 01:14:56.760 --> 01:15:01.380 assessment. Items that you will see would be a subdivision 01:15:01.380 --> 01:15:02.319 variance those don't 01:15:02.319 --> 01:15:04.819 happen very often but if an applicant wants to vary from 01:15:04.819 --> 01:15:05.960 sub chapter 16 of the 01:15:05.960 --> 01:15:09.140 Denton Development Code y'all that would come before the 01:15:09.140 --> 01:15:09.880 Planning and Zoning 01:15:09.880 --> 01:15:13.119 Commission. Conveyance plats, general development plans and 01:15:13.119 --> 01:15:13.800 then preliminary 01:15:13.800 --> 01:15:17.949 plats. Amending and minor plots are approved at the staff 01:15:17.949 --> 01:15:19.199 level. They're 01:15:19.199 --> 01:15:22.140 typically either an amending plat it's a platted property 01:15:22.140 --> 01:15:23.159 that maybe they're 01:15:23.159 --> 01:15:27.109 either removing a lot line or they're or they're shifting a 01:15:27.109 --> 01:15:28.439 lot line or maybe 01:15:28.439 --> 01:15:31.869 they're correcting an error on the plat. That would be an 01:15:31.869 --> 01:15:33.199 amending plat that's 01:15:33.199 --> 01:15:36.399 administratively approved at the staff level. A minor plat 01:15:36.399 --> 01:15:37.159 is a plat that is 01:15:37.159 --> 01:15:40.340 fewer than four lots and no public improvements are 01:15:40.340 --> 01:15:41.720 required so because the 01:15:41.720 --> 01:15:44.310 impact is pretty low that is also a minor plat per the 01:15:44.310 --> 01:15:45.399 Texas Local Government 01:15:45.399 --> 01:15:48.350 Code and the Denton Development Code and once again that's 01:15:48.350 --> 01:15:50.039 approved at staff level. 01:15:50.039 --> 01:15:55.680 Do we wrap it up? Yes. Okay so I have several more slides 01:15:55.680 --> 01:15:56.279 but we'll finish 01:15:56.279 --> 01:16:00.359 that at an upcoming meeting. Sounds great. Thanks Julie for 01:16:00.359 --> 01:16:03.359 laying that down. At this 01:16:03.359 --> 01:16:09.710 time absolutely. I'm sorry I wanted to introduce Christy U 01:16:09.710 --> 01:16:11.840 pton. Kind of come up 01:16:11.840 --> 01:16:14.300 I guess and tell you a little bit about her. She's working 01:16:14.300 --> 01:16:14.560 with Debra. 01:16:14.560 --> 01:16:19.989 She's an environmental compliance coordinator specialist. 01:16:19.989 --> 01:16:22.039 So I think on a 01:16:22.039 --> 01:16:26.680 lot of the ESAs as all ESAs come in front of you I think we 01:16:26.680 --> 01:16:28.439 'll be seeing her 01:16:28.439 --> 01:16:32.500 and maybe Debra less I don't know but at least wanted to 01:16:32.500 --> 01:16:33.800 put a name with the face. 01:16:33.800 --> 01:16:39.439 As I transition out of the DRC process Cindy has taken my 01:16:39.439 --> 01:16:40.239 position as an 01:16:40.239 --> 01:16:43.880 environmental compliance coordinator. Anything related to 01:16:43.880 --> 01:16:46.800 stone water, ESAs, 01:16:46.800 --> 01:16:50.029 municipal setting designations, anything that falls under 01:16:50.029 --> 01:16:51.319 the big umbrella of 01:16:51.319 --> 01:16:54.039 environmental that will be something that she will handle. 01:16:54.039 --> 01:16:55.399 She's coming from 01:16:55.399 --> 01:17:01.210 the airport and prior to that over 13 years of experience 01:17:01.210 --> 01:17:01.560 working 01:17:01.560 --> 01:17:05.149 with municipalities in the Metroplex. So she comes with a 01:17:05.149 --> 01:17:05.600 very strong 01:17:05.600 --> 01:17:13.319 reputation and let's see. We wish them the best. Thank you. 01:17:13.319 --> 01:17:16.199 Awesome welcome. 01:17:18.319 --> 01:17:21.109 So thank you again Julie for starting that discussion 01:17:21.109 --> 01:17:22.640 hopefully in either next 01:17:22.640 --> 01:17:25.819 meeting or a meeting soon to come we'll have the rest of 01:17:25.819 --> 01:17:26.720 this which is super 01:17:26.720 --> 01:17:29.199 helpful. Thank you. At this time we'll close work session 01:17:29.199 --> 01:17:31.800 at 629. We will meet 01:17:31.800 --> 01:17:40.039 in council chambers and start our public hearing at 635. 01:17:40.039 --> 01:17:40.119 Thanks. 01:17:49.159 --> 01:17:49.300 Good evening and welcome to the Planning and Zoning 01:17:49.300 --> 01:17:53.560 Commission meeting for 01:17:53.560 --> 01:17:57.109 September 12th. I'll call this to order at 640. I apologize 01:17:57.109 --> 01:17:58.119 for the delay we're 01:17:58.119 --> 01:18:00.590 wrapping up items and work sessions so thank you for being 01:18:00.590 --> 01:18:01.399 patient. The first 01:18:01.399 --> 01:18:03.409 order of business is to stand and give a pledge allegiance 01:18:03.409 --> 01:18:04.199 to the United States 01:18:04.199 --> 01:18:06.800 and Texas flag. 01:18:18.319 --> 01:18:43.560 First item on our agenda is the consent agenda. The chair 01:18:43.560 --> 01:18:44.119 will stand for any 01:18:44.119 --> 01:18:52.039 discussion or motion and as a point of order item 3C of the 01:18:52.039 --> 01:18:53.079 consent agenda 01:18:53.079 --> 01:18:57.239 item FP 18-0017 has been postponed will not be on the 01:18:57.239 --> 01:18:58.439 consent agenda vote for 01:18:58.439 --> 01:19:00.880 this evening. 01:19:04.520 --> 01:19:07.699 Commissioner Ellis. Thank you chair motion to approve 01:19:07.699 --> 01:19:09.119 consent agenda items A 01:19:09.119 --> 01:19:13.640 and B. Thank you and Commissioner Beck. Second. First and 01:19:13.640 --> 01:19:16.039 second any discussion. 01:19:16.039 --> 01:19:30.210 Seeing none I call for a vote on the board. Motion passes 6 01:19:30.210 --> 01:19:35.000 -0 with one absent. 01:19:35.000 --> 01:19:38.750 Next is our public hearings. As a point of order we have 01:19:38.750 --> 01:19:41.239 moved agenda item 3B is 01:19:41.239 --> 01:19:46.670 in Bravo to 3A to hear the final replat first tonight so 01:19:46.670 --> 01:19:47.960 with that I'll invite 01:19:47.960 --> 01:19:53.550 Cindy Jackson for presentation on FR 18-005 and I'll open 01:19:53.550 --> 01:19:54.239 the public hearing 01:19:54.239 --> 01:19:56.680 for this item. 01:20:05.000 --> 01:20:14.670 Thank you. This is a request for approval of a final replat 01:20:14.670 --> 01:20:15.640 of lot 1R 01:20:15.640 --> 01:20:20.359 block A of the hilltop ranch addition. The 3.5 acre site is 01:20:20.359 --> 01:20:21.359 located on the west 01:20:21.359 --> 01:20:25.899 side of hilltop drive you can see it right here. It is 01:20:25.899 --> 01:20:28.239 located in the city's 01:20:28.239 --> 01:20:32.050 extraterritorial jurisdiction or ETJ. The site was 01:20:32.050 --> 01:20:34.239 originally plotted as lot one 01:20:34.239 --> 01:20:40.050 block A hilltop ranch addition in 2006. It was subdivided 01:20:40.050 --> 01:20:42.399 into two lots in 2007 01:20:42.399 --> 01:20:46.760 and now here we are again subdividing one of the lots. One 01:20:46.760 --> 01:20:47.760 of the lots was 01:20:47.760 --> 01:20:52.500 developed with a single-family home and it is being subd 01:20:52.500 --> 01:20:54.079 ivided into two lots 01:20:54.079 --> 01:20:57.260 which you can see here is this lot and this lot that 01:20:57.260 --> 01:21:02.039 continues on over here. The 01:21:02.039 --> 01:21:05.970 plot as shown meets the requirements of the subdivision 01:21:05.970 --> 01:21:07.279 ordinance and staff 01:21:07.279 --> 01:21:11.560 recommends approval. That concludes my presentation. Thank 01:21:11.560 --> 01:21:12.760 you Cindy. I don't see 01:21:12.760 --> 01:21:16.479 any questions at this time. Okay. This is a public hearing 01:21:16.479 --> 01:21:17.199 if anyone wishes to 01:21:17.199 --> 01:21:21.760 speak on this issue may more than welcome to do so. 01:21:24.039 --> 01:21:26.640 Seeing no one to speak I will close this public hearing and 01:21:26.640 --> 01:21:28.119 open it for discussion 01:21:28.119 --> 01:21:36.039 or motion. Commissioner Beck. I move we approve FR 18005. 01:21:36.039 --> 01:21:37.840 Commissioner Sanchez. 01:21:37.840 --> 01:21:42.039 We have a first and a second. Is there any discussion? 01:21:42.039 --> 01:21:43.960 Seeing none I'll call for a vote 01:21:43.960 --> 01:21:46.279 on the board. 01:21:50.560 --> 01:21:56.460 Motion carries 6-0 with one absent. The next agenda item 01:21:56.460 --> 01:21:58.960 will be the new 3B 01:21:58.960 --> 01:22:04.550 which is Z 18-20A and Cindy Jackson will be presenting. I 01:22:04.550 --> 01:22:05.399 will open the 01:22:05.399 --> 01:22:11.000 public hearing for the item. Thank you. This is a request 01:22:11.000 --> 01:22:12.159 to hold a public 01:22:12.159 --> 01:22:14.720 hearing and make a recommendation to the City Council 01:22:14.720 --> 01:22:16.119 regarding our request for 01:22:16.119 --> 01:22:20.050 an initial zoning designation of neighborhood residential 3 01:22:20.050 --> 01:22:20.840 and our 3 on 01:22:20.840 --> 01:22:27.000 approximately 47.466 acres. The site is generally located 01:22:27.000 --> 01:22:27.880 on the south side of 01:22:27.880 --> 01:22:32.319 Ryan Road you can see here north east of the intersection 01:22:32.319 --> 01:22:33.600 of Ryan and Andrew and 01:22:33.600 --> 01:22:39.560 north of Creekdale View. The site is the subject of a pre- 01:22:39.560 --> 01:22:41.439 annexation agreement or 01:22:41.439 --> 01:22:49.439 PADA ordinance number 2016-215. This site is referenced as 01:22:49.439 --> 01:22:50.560 track 1C in 01:22:50.560 --> 01:22:53.989 the PADA. Two other tracks are included but they are not 01:22:53.989 --> 01:22:54.840 the subject of this 01:22:54.840 --> 01:23:00.720 request. The PADA governs the sequence of development and 01:23:00.720 --> 01:23:02.079 contains land use and 01:23:02.079 --> 01:23:06.529 development standards. The site has been plotted it was 01:23:06.529 --> 01:23:08.560 approved in on March 21st 01:23:08.560 --> 01:23:14.720 2018 with 137 residential lots and a density of 2.9 01:23:14.720 --> 01:23:17.039 dwelling units per acre. 01:23:17.039 --> 01:23:23.119 The PADA has robust development standards and requirements 01:23:23.119 --> 01:23:23.880 which include 01:23:23.880 --> 01:23:27.060 the traffic impact fee. Typically for a development this 01:23:27.060 --> 01:23:28.520 size the city would 01:23:28.520 --> 01:23:34.880 require $342,500 in traffic impact fees. Instead the PADA 01:23:34.880 --> 01:23:43.100 required $589,100 in traffic impact fees which equates to $ 01:23:43.100 --> 01:23:45.359 4,300 per unit. 01:23:45.359 --> 01:23:49.779 There's also stringent tree preservation requirements. The 01:23:49.779 --> 01:23:51.840 DDC requires 20% of 01:23:51.840 --> 01:24:00.109 the trees on the site to be preserved. The PADA requires 76 01:24:00.109 --> 01:24:02.699 % of the diameter 01:24:02.699 --> 01:24:07.069 inches of the trees which equates to 82% of all trees being 01:24:07.069 --> 01:24:10.039 preserved. Here's a 01:24:10.039 --> 01:24:14.920 bit of a breakdown. There are 720 trees on the total site 01:24:14.920 --> 01:24:17.199 and 590 of them were 01:24:17.199 --> 01:24:22.420 preserved coming to 81.9% and then you can see a breakdown 01:24:22.420 --> 01:24:23.039 according to 01:24:23.039 --> 01:24:28.159 diameter inches which is 76.3% of the diameter inches being 01:24:28.159 --> 01:24:29.960 preserved. You can 01:24:29.960 --> 01:24:35.380 see on this particular exhibit that trees are being 01:24:35.380 --> 01:24:35.840 preserved mainly 01:24:35.840 --> 01:24:42.550 along the west and south side of the site. The sequence of 01:24:42.550 --> 01:24:44.000 development for 01:24:44.000 --> 01:24:49.960 this property was not typical. The typical sequence is 01:24:49.960 --> 01:24:50.899 annexation 01:24:50.899 --> 01:24:54.159 zoning site plan, preliminary plat and final plat. Per the 01:24:54.159 --> 01:24:55.399 requirements of the 01:24:55.399 --> 01:25:00.520 PADA, the pre-annexation agreement came first, the concept 01:25:00.520 --> 01:25:01.920 plan, then the site 01:25:01.920 --> 01:25:06.079 plan, preliminary and final plat, annexation which occurred 01:25:06.079 --> 01:25:07.279 just last month, 01:25:07.279 --> 01:25:11.960 and then zoning which we are here tonight. 01:25:13.359 --> 01:25:19.039 Current zoning is RD5X as seen on the zoning map and the 01:25:19.039 --> 01:25:20.279 proposed zoning is 01:25:20.279 --> 01:25:25.720 NR3. The NR3 provides an excellent transition and buffer of 01:25:25.720 --> 01:25:28.199 the NR4 and NR6 01:25:28.199 --> 01:25:32.840 that is located to the south and east and to the NR2, a 01:25:32.840 --> 01:25:36.239 buffer to the NR2. 01:25:37.960 --> 01:25:42.920 Legal notices were sent out within 200 feet. We sent out 96 01:25:42.920 --> 01:25:44.079 via certified mail 01:25:44.079 --> 01:25:49.199 and we sent 192 courtesy notices via regular mail. We 01:25:49.199 --> 01:25:50.960 received six responses 01:25:50.960 --> 01:25:55.380 back which you received today. Those six responses you can 01:25:55.380 --> 01:25:56.800 see on the map in red 01:25:56.800 --> 01:26:01.640 and they equate to 3% of the property located within the 01:26:01.640 --> 01:26:02.600 200 foot buffer 01:26:02.600 --> 01:26:07.590 around the site. Three notification signs were also posted. 01:26:07.590 --> 01:26:09.000 Staff recommends 01:26:09.000 --> 01:26:11.890 approval of this request. It is compatible with the 01:26:11.890 --> 01:26:13.159 surrounding property 01:26:13.159 --> 01:26:15.880 and is consistent with the requirements set forth in the 01:26:15.880 --> 01:26:16.520 pre-annexation 01:26:16.520 --> 01:26:20.600 development agreement. That concludes my presentation. 01:26:20.600 --> 01:26:22.680 Thank you Cindy. For the 01:26:22.680 --> 01:26:26.159 edification of the commission and the audience, can you 01:26:26.159 --> 01:26:28.399 mention also the topic 01:26:28.399 --> 01:26:31.350 of road improvement that you mentioned in the work session 01:26:31.350 --> 01:26:33.880 please? Right now I know a 01:26:33.880 --> 01:26:37.319 lot of the residents surrounding residents are concerned 01:26:37.319 --> 01:26:38.920 about traffic, 01:26:38.920 --> 01:26:45.489 have traffic concerns for Ryan Road. The city staff is 01:26:45.489 --> 01:26:47.319 aware of the issue. They 01:26:47.319 --> 01:26:50.649 currently are doing traffic counts along Ryan Road to 01:26:50.649 --> 01:26:53.319 assess the situation. They 01:26:53.319 --> 01:26:57.109 are also, the City Council last night approved funding for 01:26:57.109 --> 01:26:57.960 an update of the 01:26:57.960 --> 01:27:01.890 mobility plan which is the first step in the road to 01:27:01.890 --> 01:27:04.520 getting Ryan Road improved. 01:27:04.520 --> 01:27:10.880 And then it is true that a light at Ryan Road and 1830 is a 01:27:10.880 --> 01:27:12.520 text on mutual 01:27:12.520 --> 01:27:16.470 issue. It's not a city. It's not a city issue. Okay. I don 01:27:16.470 --> 01:27:17.359 't see any other 01:27:17.359 --> 01:27:20.800 questions for you at this time. Okay thank you. Oh excuse 01:27:20.800 --> 01:27:20.960 me, 01:27:20.960 --> 01:27:30.439 Commissioner Pernitta. With the development sequence being 01:27:30.439 --> 01:27:31.439 irregular 01:27:31.439 --> 01:27:34.149 right now, the preliminary plan and the final plan have 01:27:34.149 --> 01:27:36.439 already been approved. I 01:27:36.439 --> 01:27:39.130 know a lot of the people that are here probably going to be 01:27:39.130 --> 01:27:40.319 expressing opinions 01:27:40.319 --> 01:27:43.920 about traffic and things like that. At this point we're 01:27:43.920 --> 01:27:45.359 simply approving the 01:27:45.359 --> 01:27:48.539 zoning, right? So there's, as far as everything else goes, 01:27:48.539 --> 01:27:49.479 there's not much we 01:27:49.479 --> 01:27:53.659 can do at this point. Is that correct? That's correct. The 01:27:53.659 --> 01:27:57.079 applicant, that's true. 01:27:57.079 --> 01:28:02.510 As I explained, the city is aware of the issue. They are 01:28:02.510 --> 01:28:03.000 working 01:28:03.000 --> 01:28:08.119 on getting traffic counts from the area right now and they 01:28:08.119 --> 01:28:09.479 are going to update 01:28:09.479 --> 01:28:12.420 the mobility plan which is the first step in improving Ryan 01:28:12.420 --> 01:28:16.520 Road. Thank you. I do 01:28:16.520 --> 01:28:19.840 not see any questions. Thank you Cindy. Do you have a card 01:28:19.840 --> 01:28:20.880 to speak on this? It's 01:28:20.880 --> 01:28:24.899 Thomas Fletcher, the applicant, who's in support. If you 01:28:24.899 --> 01:28:26.359 would, when you come to 01:28:26.359 --> 01:28:29.029 the mic say your name and address for the record and as the 01:28:29.029 --> 01:28:29.760 applicant you're 01:28:29.760 --> 01:28:36.350 provided 10 minutes. Thank you. Good evening commissioners. 01:28:36.350 --> 01:28:37.279 My name is Thomas 01:28:37.279 --> 01:28:41.479 Fletcher with Kinley Horne 5750 Genesis Court, Frisco, 01:28:41.479 --> 01:28:44.600 Texas 75034. I am the 01:28:44.600 --> 01:28:48.630 engineer for the landowner. Actually because of the PADA, 01:28:48.630 --> 01:28:49.560 the applicant is the 01:28:49.560 --> 01:28:53.210 city as part of the process, but we are here to provide 01:28:53.210 --> 01:28:54.800 information and answer 01:28:54.800 --> 01:28:57.770 any questions. I did want to, I sat in, I walked into the 01:28:57.770 --> 01:28:58.760 work session, I believe 01:28:58.760 --> 01:29:01.220 probably a couple minutes late into the presentation, but I 01:29:01.220 --> 01:29:02.079 did hear a lot of the 01:29:02.079 --> 01:29:05.260 questions. What I wanted to do is really just kind of talk 01:29:05.260 --> 01:29:06.640 about some of 01:29:06.640 --> 01:29:09.590 the questions that I heard and hopefully I can answer kind 01:29:09.590 --> 01:29:10.680 of the process. There 01:29:10.680 --> 01:29:12.800 were a lot of questions about the process and how did we 01:29:12.800 --> 01:29:13.319 get to that 01:29:13.319 --> 01:29:17.840 process. I have been on this project since its inception. 01:29:17.840 --> 01:29:19.220 The original 01:29:19.220 --> 01:29:22.180 landowners of the property had put their property up for 01:29:22.180 --> 01:29:23.720 sale. They were marketing 01:29:23.720 --> 01:29:27.470 it. A developer put it under contract. We had pre-develop 01:29:27.470 --> 01:29:28.479 ment meetings with the 01:29:28.479 --> 01:29:32.409 city. The landowners were concerned. They did not want to 01:29:32.409 --> 01:29:33.800 annex the property 01:29:33.800 --> 01:29:37.510 because the concern was if we annexed into the city and 01:29:37.510 --> 01:29:39.199 then the developer was 01:29:39.199 --> 01:29:42.050 not able to get the zoning he needed in order to do the 01:29:42.050 --> 01:29:43.800 development, then he 01:29:43.800 --> 01:29:46.319 would not purchase the property and now they're within the 01:29:46.319 --> 01:29:48.199 city. So when we met 01:29:48.199 --> 01:29:51.380 with the city, we talked about, okay how can we work 01:29:51.380 --> 01:29:53.039 through this process to come 01:29:53.039 --> 01:29:56.619 to some resolution that works best for the city and for the 01:29:56.619 --> 01:29:57.800 developer that we 01:29:57.800 --> 01:30:01.770 can both agree to. So as part of that process, the city was 01:30:01.770 --> 01:30:02.279 , there were several 01:30:02.279 --> 01:30:05.460 things. I'll talk about several things. One, the traffic 01:30:05.460 --> 01:30:06.920 impact fees. The city was 01:30:06.920 --> 01:30:11.279 in the process of looking at traffic impact based on 01:30:11.279 --> 01:30:12.399 development, what those 01:30:12.399 --> 01:30:16.079 roadway impact fees should be. There wasn't an adopted 01:30:16.079 --> 01:30:17.319 ordinance at the time. 01:30:17.319 --> 01:30:24.829 I think the initial thing that was looked at was a $3,000 01:30:24.829 --> 01:30:25.439 per lot when 01:30:25.439 --> 01:30:29.159 you look at single-family. I think $2,500 was what was 01:30:29.159 --> 01:30:30.880 adopted. That 01:30:30.880 --> 01:30:34.319 impact analysis actually had an analysis of what was the 01:30:34.319 --> 01:30:36.279 true impact. When 01:30:36.279 --> 01:30:40.109 we came through with this agreement, we said, okay well let 01:30:40.109 --> 01:30:41.479 's negotiate this true 01:30:41.479 --> 01:30:45.310 impact. So instead of us paying $3,000, which was kind of 01:30:45.310 --> 01:30:46.880 being talked about at 01:30:46.880 --> 01:30:51.680 the time, or $2,500, which is where the city ended, it was 01:30:51.680 --> 01:30:53.840 a $43,000 or roughly $4,300 01:30:53.840 --> 01:30:57.560 per lot. So this development, part of the agreement, was 01:30:57.560 --> 01:30:58.399 going to pay more in 01:30:58.399 --> 01:31:01.399 roadway impact fees. The other thing is, is we knew that it 01:31:01.399 --> 01:31:01.960 was going to be 01:31:01.960 --> 01:31:04.880 sensitive with the surrounding neighborhoods. The majority 01:31:04.880 --> 01:31:05.680 of the trees 01:31:05.680 --> 01:31:09.289 buffered the existing neighborhoods, so we decided, okay 01:31:09.289 --> 01:31:10.720 let's do a development 01:31:10.720 --> 01:31:13.899 that's internal to the main tree canopy. Let's preserve 01:31:13.899 --> 01:31:15.380 those trees. Let's create 01:31:15.380 --> 01:31:19.380 a high standard of tree preservation. So that was another 01:31:19.380 --> 01:31:20.840 item that was a part of 01:31:20.840 --> 01:31:24.500 that. And then one of the other items that I'll point out 01:31:24.500 --> 01:31:25.260 is the city has a 01:31:25.260 --> 01:31:29.079 lift station, the Granada lift station, that's just north 01:31:29.079 --> 01:31:30.739 of the track. So in the 01:31:30.739 --> 01:31:33.920 discussions with the city, one of the city's long-term 01:31:33.920 --> 01:31:35.159 goals was to get that 01:31:35.159 --> 01:31:37.869 lift station offline to save with the maintenance and 01:31:37.869 --> 01:31:39.199 development costs. So the 01:31:39.199 --> 01:31:44.489 developer agreed to extend a sanitary sewer line up north 01:31:44.489 --> 01:31:46.000 of Ryan Road so that 01:31:46.000 --> 01:31:50.149 the city could connect that system to that so that that 01:31:50.149 --> 01:31:51.640 would enable them to 01:31:51.640 --> 01:31:54.109 take that lift station offline, which would save on 01:31:54.109 --> 01:31:55.279 maintenance and operation 01:31:55.279 --> 01:31:58.630 costs long-term for the city. So we went through different 01:31:58.630 --> 01:31:59.960 planning iterations. We 01:31:59.960 --> 01:32:03.310 came up with different land plan layouts. City staff was a 01:32:03.310 --> 01:32:04.640 part of that. There's 01:32:04.640 --> 01:32:08.869 been a lot of changes in the city staff that from that time 01:32:08.869 --> 01:32:10.920 to now. So but you 01:32:10.920 --> 01:32:14.100 know we went through the iterations to come up with a land 01:32:14.100 --> 01:32:14.960 plan that tried to 01:32:14.960 --> 01:32:18.619 take advantage of the tree preservation, minimize the 01:32:18.619 --> 01:32:20.680 number of lots, minimize the 01:32:20.680 --> 01:32:24.899 impact, and just provide this natural development. The 01:32:24.899 --> 01:32:26.420 other thing it did is it 01:32:26.420 --> 01:32:29.670 created a preservation track 1B, which is the middle track, 01:32:29.670 --> 01:32:31.079 which is roughly 22 01:32:31.079 --> 01:32:35.329 acres, which has about 11 to 12 acres of floodplain. It 01:32:35.329 --> 01:32:37.119 limited that in the future 01:32:37.119 --> 01:32:39.819 to no more than three residential units. So that was 01:32:39.819 --> 01:32:41.239 another thing that the city 01:32:41.239 --> 01:32:45.420 saw as a benefit and then there was the remainder that was 01:32:45.420 --> 01:32:46.520 became part of the 01:32:46.520 --> 01:32:49.399 Good Samaritan piece that would eventually develop with 01:32:49.399 --> 01:32:50.720 that. So really 01:32:50.720 --> 01:32:54.119 I've got a updated aerial. I don't know if... 01:32:54.119 --> 01:32:57.880 Yeah, can we turn the camera on? 01:32:58.520 --> 01:33:05.340 So here's the development. So you can see the side has been 01:33:05.340 --> 01:33:05.880 cleared. So 01:33:05.880 --> 01:33:08.479 we've gone through the preliminary plat's been approved, 01:33:08.479 --> 01:33:09.720 the final plat's been 01:33:09.720 --> 01:33:15.529 approved, the construction plans have been approved. We've 01:33:15.529 --> 01:33:15.960 done all 01:33:15.960 --> 01:33:18.659 our clearing and grading. We've had our pre-construction 01:33:18.659 --> 01:33:20.239 meeting. The sanitary 01:33:20.239 --> 01:33:23.960 sewer has been started. The utilities are in process. So 01:33:23.960 --> 01:33:25.479 just to kind of give you 01:33:25.479 --> 01:33:31.439 an update where we're at in the process, we did an ESA 01:33:31.439 --> 01:33:32.399 analysis and 01:33:32.399 --> 01:33:35.979 went through that process with the city and had that 01:33:35.979 --> 01:33:37.399 reviewed and met. There 01:33:37.399 --> 01:33:41.479 were parameters with impacts to the ESA and the PADA. So 01:33:41.479 --> 01:33:43.000 all of those items have 01:33:43.000 --> 01:33:47.789 been followed according to the PADA. The PADA stated that 01:33:47.789 --> 01:33:49.079 10 days within the 01:33:49.079 --> 01:33:52.810 approval of the final plat, the owner shall submit for 01:33:52.810 --> 01:33:54.439 voluntary annexation. 01:33:54.439 --> 01:33:58.039 The owner has done that. I will say this, the current owner 01:33:58.039 --> 01:33:59.479 developer, Dickerson 01:33:59.479 --> 01:34:02.329 Development, they're not the one that actually negotiated 01:34:02.329 --> 01:34:04.279 the PADA with the 01:34:04.279 --> 01:34:09.319 city. That developer entitled the property and sold them 01:34:09.319 --> 01:34:09.960 this tract. 01:34:09.960 --> 01:34:13.750 They're developing this tract under the rules of the PADA. 01:34:13.750 --> 01:34:15.920 But with that, I know 01:34:15.920 --> 01:34:18.779 there was a lot of discussion in the work session. I wanted 01:34:18.779 --> 01:34:19.600 to get up and kind 01:34:19.600 --> 01:34:23.390 of provide a little bit of history, talk about a few items. 01:34:23.390 --> 01:34:24.560 Show the side. I mean, 01:34:24.560 --> 01:34:29.090 you can see from the updated aerial that the tree buffer 01:34:29.090 --> 01:34:29.520 along the 01:34:29.520 --> 01:34:33.449 south and the tree buffer along the west has been preserved 01:34:33.449 --> 01:34:38.319 as obligated and 01:34:38.319 --> 01:34:42.960 as negotiated as part of the PADA. 01:34:44.319 --> 01:34:49.909 Thank you, Mr. Fletcher. I do not see any questions for you 01:34:49.909 --> 01:34:53.680 at this time. This is a 01:34:53.680 --> 01:34:56.210 public hearing. Anyone is more than welcome to speak. I do 01:34:56.210 --> 01:34:57.880 have a card from 01:34:57.880 --> 01:35:01.239 a Jay Leak. There wasn't an agenda item posted. Is this 01:35:01.239 --> 01:35:02.119 item something you would 01:35:02.119 --> 01:35:04.640 like to speak on? 01:35:06.640 --> 01:35:09.640 Perfect. 01:35:09.640 --> 01:35:13.159 Got it. Thank you. 01:35:14.319 --> 01:35:21.840 Happy to answer any other questions or concerns. I'm going 01:35:21.840 --> 01:35:22.720 to come forward and state 01:35:22.720 --> 01:35:27.800 your name and address for the record. My name is Eric Clark 01:35:27.800 --> 01:35:29.479 . I live at 3913 01:35:29.479 --> 01:35:33.720 Andrew Avenue. It's just a general question. I appreciate 01:35:33.720 --> 01:35:34.439 the 01:35:34.439 --> 01:35:37.619 thoughtfulness that's went into this development and the 01:35:37.619 --> 01:35:38.479 tree preservation. 01:35:38.479 --> 01:35:41.850 But as a home that backs up to that, I've noticed several 01:35:41.850 --> 01:35:42.760 of the trees have 01:35:42.760 --> 01:35:46.449 died due to the excavation and the road work that's been 01:35:46.449 --> 01:35:48.600 done. Is there a plan to 01:35:48.600 --> 01:35:52.529 go back and reassess those big mature trees that have died? 01:35:52.529 --> 01:35:53.039 It's a good 01:35:53.039 --> 01:35:57.239 question, Mr. Clark. And we actually received other input 01:35:57.239 --> 01:35:58.239 from residents about 01:35:58.239 --> 01:36:01.420 this concern. Cindy, could you speak to the oversight that 01:36:01.420 --> 01:36:02.319 happens on a project 01:36:02.319 --> 01:36:06.640 like this? I'm not sure where these trees are, but 01:36:06.640 --> 01:36:07.920 apparently they tried to 01:36:07.920 --> 01:36:12.090 save more trees, as many trees as possible. And what 01:36:12.090 --> 01:36:13.600 happened is the road 01:36:13.600 --> 01:36:17.989 cut through the drip line of some of the trees, cut off the 01:36:17.989 --> 01:36:20.359 roots. So any trees 01:36:20.359 --> 01:36:25.789 that are lost will have to be replaced. And I was also told 01:36:25.789 --> 01:36:27.180 that a lot of the 01:36:27.180 --> 01:36:31.460 trees were responding to drought conditions. And the urban 01:36:31.460 --> 01:36:32.939 forester, Haywood 01:36:32.939 --> 01:36:36.350 Morgan, went out just last week and he noticed that a lot 01:36:36.350 --> 01:36:37.560 of the trees that he 01:36:37.560 --> 01:36:41.359 thought were dead are actually relieving now. So he thinks 01:36:41.359 --> 01:36:42.319 that a lot of that was 01:36:42.319 --> 01:36:47.510 due to the drought. And going forward, is there a point of 01:36:47.510 --> 01:36:48.359 contact within the city 01:36:48.359 --> 01:36:51.890 that residents could communicate with regarding the project 01:36:51.890 --> 01:36:53.199 and the trees going 01:36:53.199 --> 01:36:55.659 forward? Well, they can contact me about the project. The 01:36:55.659 --> 01:36:56.600 trees specifically would 01:36:56.600 --> 01:37:01.239 be our urban forester, Haywood Morgan. Okay, perfect. Mr. 01:37:01.239 --> 01:37:03.760 Clark, are you good? Okay. 01:37:03.760 --> 01:37:07.960 Question? Oh, Commissioner Beck. Wait a minute, Cindy. 01:37:07.960 --> 01:37:09.279 Quick question for you. 01:37:09.279 --> 01:37:13.710 You mentioned that the trees that have died as a result of 01:37:13.710 --> 01:37:14.800 the street going 01:37:14.800 --> 01:37:18.979 through, they'll be replaced. Will they be replaced there 01:37:18.979 --> 01:37:20.560 or will there be 01:37:20.560 --> 01:37:24.039 room to do that? That I don't know. They're going to be 01:37:24.039 --> 01:37:25.399 replaced on the site. On the 01:37:25.399 --> 01:37:29.119 site somewhere. Okay, thank you. Sir, if you could state 01:37:29.119 --> 01:37:30.600 your name and address. One 01:37:30.600 --> 01:37:33.090 quick question for her. What size are these trees you 01:37:33.090 --> 01:37:34.319 talking about? I mean, 01:37:34.319 --> 01:37:36.489 we're talking about 100 year old trees. Are we going to put 01:37:36.489 --> 01:37:37.319 a two foot tree in? 01:37:37.319 --> 01:37:40.600 That I don't know. They have to replace any dead trees. 01:37:40.600 --> 01:37:45.600 They have to place two to one for inches. 01:37:45.600 --> 01:37:50.039 My name is Billy Carraway and I live on Andrew Avenue. Our 01:37:50.039 --> 01:37:52.199 concern is, what are 01:37:52.199 --> 01:37:55.000 the quality of these homes? We have not seen any sketches 01:37:55.000 --> 01:37:55.979 from the two meetings 01:37:55.979 --> 01:37:59.159 we've had. I mean, express homes is down the road and are $ 01:37:59.159 --> 01:38:00.960 200,000. Our house is 01:38:00.960 --> 01:38:04.199 on Andrew Avenue. You can't touch them for under $400,000. 01:38:04.199 --> 01:38:05.159 So what kind of 01:38:05.159 --> 01:38:08.560 quality are we getting right next door to us? That's our 01:38:08.560 --> 01:38:10.079 concern. 01:38:11.840 --> 01:38:14.539 Could you speak to that developer? You can come in if you 01:38:14.539 --> 01:38:18.239 have an answer, Mr. Fletcher. 01:38:19.159 --> 01:38:24.750 So with the development cost and the cost of land, all that 01:38:24.750 --> 01:38:25.600 factors into 01:38:25.600 --> 01:38:29.100 really what a marketable home or what you can start a house 01:38:29.100 --> 01:38:30.159 . The house prices 01:38:30.159 --> 01:38:34.090 for this development will start no less than $350,000. They 01:38:34.090 --> 01:38:35.399 estimate that the 01:38:35.399 --> 01:38:39.640 houses will be $350,000 to $450,000. The two home builders 01:38:39.640 --> 01:38:40.319 that will be in this 01:38:40.319 --> 01:38:45.239 development are Perry Homes and Rendition Homes. So it's, 01:38:45.239 --> 01:38:45.880 we are, I mean, 01:38:45.880 --> 01:38:50.050 it's going to be a very high quality development, very high 01:38:50.050 --> 01:38:51.279 quality product, 01:38:51.279 --> 01:38:55.210 and it's going to be pricing in line with the adjacent 01:38:55.210 --> 01:38:56.479 subdivision. 01:38:56.479 --> 01:39:02.289 Thank you. If you can just explain the, maybe it might help 01:39:02.289 --> 01:39:04.279 give an idea of the lot sizes. 01:39:04.279 --> 01:39:09.399 So the lot sizes are, there's variable lot sizes. There's 01:39:09.399 --> 01:39:12.180 60 by 130 is a minimum, 01:39:12.180 --> 01:39:17.800 7,800 square feet. There are lots within the development 01:39:17.800 --> 01:39:18.840 that are extra wide. 01:39:18.840 --> 01:39:22.020 As part of the pre-annexation development agreement, one of 01:39:22.020 --> 01:39:22.920 the things that we 01:39:22.920 --> 01:39:26.970 heard from city staff is that there's not many homes or 01:39:26.970 --> 01:39:28.880 many lots within these 01:39:28.880 --> 01:39:32.479 newer neighborhoods that accommodate three-car garages. So 01:39:32.479 --> 01:39:33.800 what we try to do 01:39:33.800 --> 01:39:38.479 is provide some wider lots through the development. There's 01:39:38.479 --> 01:39:39.039 actually, I 01:39:39.039 --> 01:39:41.869 think it's a, I'd have to go back and look, but I believe 01:39:41.869 --> 01:39:43.760 there's 25 lots that 01:39:43.760 --> 01:39:47.729 have to be provided with the third-car garage. Now, you 01:39:47.729 --> 01:39:48.600 know, that can be a 01:39:48.600 --> 01:39:51.800 accomplished through a J swing front entry. It can be a 01:39:51.800 --> 01:39:53.600 traditional three-car 01:39:53.600 --> 01:39:57.140 front entry or it could be a tandem. So there's options 01:39:57.140 --> 01:39:58.079 from the builder, 01:39:58.079 --> 01:40:02.779 but what we try to do is build in lot sizes that would 01:40:02.779 --> 01:40:04.520 accommodate and allow 01:40:04.520 --> 01:40:07.939 for someone that wants to come in and be able to purchase 01:40:07.939 --> 01:40:09.479 and have that third-car 01:40:09.479 --> 01:40:13.489 garage and still have a nice lot, nice size house in the 01:40:13.489 --> 01:40:14.800 development. 01:40:14.800 --> 01:40:17.979 Christian Beck. Thank you, Chair. Mr. Fletcher, thanks for 01:40:17.979 --> 01:40:19.920 that information. Can you give us an 01:40:19.920 --> 01:40:24.479 idea of what exterior materials will be in use? So the, I 01:40:24.479 --> 01:40:26.000 mean, the exterior 01:40:26.000 --> 01:40:29.229 materials will have to meet all the requirements of the 01:40:29.229 --> 01:40:30.119 City of Denton's 01:40:30.119 --> 01:40:35.930 Code. Which are? I am not, I don't work a lot with the 01:40:35.930 --> 01:40:37.479 house plans themselves. I'm 01:40:37.479 --> 01:40:41.409 more on the horizontal infrastructure, doing the layout. So 01:40:41.409 --> 01:40:42.720 I don't know that. 01:40:42.720 --> 01:40:46.229 I'd hate to try and take a guess because I... You couldn't 01:40:46.229 --> 01:40:47.199 tell us if they were all 01:40:47.199 --> 01:40:51.449 brick and we had 40-year warranty roof shingles? Well, most 01:40:51.449 --> 01:40:52.920 builders have certain 01:40:52.920 --> 01:40:55.720 warranties that they, you know, that are standard in the 01:40:55.720 --> 01:40:57.520 industry. So I mean, all 01:40:57.520 --> 01:41:00.409 the homes will come with some type of warranty. I think 01:41:00.409 --> 01:41:01.840 usually the foundation 01:41:01.840 --> 01:41:04.930 is 10 years. I think there's a general one year. You know, 01:41:04.930 --> 01:41:06.439 I haven't seen what 01:41:06.439 --> 01:41:10.079 these two particular builders, what their warranties are. 01:41:10.079 --> 01:41:10.600 So I really, I 01:41:10.600 --> 01:41:14.199 wouldn't want to speak to that, but I know for them to be 01:41:14.199 --> 01:41:15.560 competitive in the 01:41:15.560 --> 01:41:20.000 market, they have to provide warranties on their product. 01:41:20.000 --> 01:41:21.439 Okay, thank you. 01:41:21.439 --> 01:41:25.239 Commissioner Ellis. Thank you, Chair. Mr. Fletcher, just so 01:41:25.239 --> 01:41:26.239 I can remember the 01:41:26.239 --> 01:41:30.260 plat, is the in and out just Ryan Road or Creekdale? That 01:41:30.260 --> 01:41:31.840 is correct. Is that, that's 01:41:31.840 --> 01:41:34.810 the only two connections? Yeah, there's the main entry is a 01:41:34.810 --> 01:41:35.920 divided entry off 01:41:35.920 --> 01:41:39.550 Ryan Road and then the secondary entry is off Creekdale. 01:41:39.550 --> 01:41:41.199 There's actually Thistle 01:41:41.199 --> 01:41:43.970 Hill, the development, if you were to pull their plat, they 01:41:43.970 --> 01:41:45.239 anticipated when 01:41:45.239 --> 01:41:47.779 they develop that there would be access from their 01:41:47.779 --> 01:41:48.880 development to this 01:41:48.880 --> 01:41:52.640 development and we... Thistle Ridge, right? Thistle Ridge, 01:41:52.640 --> 01:41:54.720 yeah. That street, Thistle Ridge, right? 01:41:54.720 --> 01:41:57.899 Oh yeah, it may be, yeah, absolutely. So when we went with 01:41:57.899 --> 01:41:59.439 city staff, initially we 01:41:59.439 --> 01:42:02.399 were looking at, okay, we need to make this connection. It 01:42:02.399 --> 01:42:03.720 was planned for and 01:42:03.720 --> 01:42:06.899 then as it was looked at because of the impacts to the 01:42:06.899 --> 01:42:08.159 development there, 01:42:08.159 --> 01:42:13.000 wanting to try and minimize that, create that buffer, that 01:42:13.000 --> 01:42:14.439 's when then it was 01:42:14.439 --> 01:42:17.430 decided between staff and the developer and based on 01:42:17.430 --> 01:42:18.880 feedback and input that 01:42:18.880 --> 01:42:22.060 let's do the two points connection because the the city of 01:42:22.060 --> 01:42:22.800 Denton has the 01:42:22.800 --> 01:42:26.270 remote access requirement for fire. You have to have two 01:42:26.270 --> 01:42:27.439 access points and they 01:42:27.439 --> 01:42:31.369 have to be a minimum separation of half the distance of the 01:42:31.369 --> 01:42:32.680 longest diagonal 01:42:32.680 --> 01:42:37.640 across the property. So with the two accesses provided that 01:42:37.640 --> 01:42:38.119 met that 01:42:38.119 --> 01:42:41.300 requirement, that additional connection to the adjacent 01:42:41.300 --> 01:42:42.319 neighborhood wasn't 01:42:42.319 --> 01:42:45.500 required and then we didn't have to go through the process 01:42:45.500 --> 01:42:46.039 of really 01:42:46.039 --> 01:42:51.470 interrupting them anymore or impacting them with that 01:42:51.470 --> 01:42:53.760 connection. 01:42:54.760 --> 01:42:59.000 I answer, Mr. Pletcher, thank you. Thank you. 01:42:59.000 --> 01:43:03.079 I could in response to the question regarding exterior 01:43:03.079 --> 01:43:07.039 materials, on page 22 of the PADA, 01:43:07.039 --> 01:43:10.970 that's in your backup, exterior sheathing materials that 01:43:10.970 --> 01:43:12.600 are permitted are brickstone, 01:43:12.600 --> 01:43:16.569 smooth stucco, and wood, hardy and equivalent siding. Mason 01:43:16.569 --> 01:43:17.880 ry, brickstone, or 01:43:17.880 --> 01:43:20.710 smooth stucco shall account for 90% of the exterior sheat 01:43:20.710 --> 01:43:22.800 hing materials. 01:43:22.800 --> 01:43:29.850 Can I play that last part again? Which part? The last part. 01:43:29.850 --> 01:43:32.279 Where 90%? Masonry, brickstone, or smooth stucco shall 01:43:32.279 --> 01:43:35.359 account for 90% of the exterior sheathing materials. 01:43:35.359 --> 01:43:38.159 Great, thank you. 01:43:40.960 --> 01:43:43.439 This is a public hearing if anyone wishes to speak on the 01:43:43.439 --> 01:43:44.560 item you know if I can do 01:43:44.560 --> 01:43:48.210 so. So I'm going to walk down. After you speak we just need 01:43:48.210 --> 01:43:49.680 you to fill out a blue card 01:43:49.680 --> 01:43:52.859 right outside the door. But if you could state your name 01:43:52.859 --> 01:43:56.399 and address for the record. 01:43:57.399 --> 01:44:01.560 I'm Bob Highly and I live at 3855 Leisure Lane which is a 01:44:01.560 --> 01:44:02.279 private road 01:44:02.279 --> 01:44:05.460 directly across the street from the development. And I've 01:44:05.460 --> 01:44:06.800 got two concerns. 01:44:06.800 --> 01:44:10.010 One is they keep building these large developments over 01:44:10.010 --> 01:44:11.359 Ryan Road and there 01:44:11.359 --> 01:44:17.199 really is no way to get from Ryan Road to any place else 01:44:17.199 --> 01:44:18.279 other than using Ryan 01:44:18.279 --> 01:44:21.029 Road. And they're dumping hundreds and hundreds of cars a 01:44:21.029 --> 01:44:22.119 day on Ryan Road and 01:44:22.119 --> 01:44:27.020 why are there no roads being put horizontally with these 01:44:27.020 --> 01:44:28.279 properties or 01:44:28.279 --> 01:44:31.039 something so people can get get places. I can't get out of 01:44:31.039 --> 01:44:31.720 my development in the 01:44:31.720 --> 01:44:34.189 morning when schools you know we're in between three 01:44:34.189 --> 01:44:35.479 elementary schools and it's 01:44:35.479 --> 01:44:40.319 you just can't get out. That's one concern and when they do 01:44:40.319 --> 01:44:41.600 make an in and 01:44:41.600 --> 01:44:45.399 then out they may make it so difficult to get through that 01:44:45.399 --> 01:44:46.600 development that you 01:44:46.600 --> 01:44:50.699 had to have a GPS to even find the in and the out. And so 01:44:50.699 --> 01:44:52.319 that's a major 01:44:52.319 --> 01:44:58.699 concern. The other concern is I couldn't tell from I've got 01:44:58.699 --> 01:44:59.159 a couple more 01:44:59.159 --> 01:45:03.270 concerns. I couldn't tell from the plant are there larger 01:45:03.270 --> 01:45:04.159 lots in the front of 01:45:04.159 --> 01:45:06.750 this development than there are in the back which is 01:45:06.750 --> 01:45:08.279 consistent with Hisohil 01:45:08.279 --> 01:45:11.229 Estates which was part of the agreement and also with 01:45:11.229 --> 01:45:12.640 Shadowbrook Estates which 01:45:12.640 --> 01:45:15.500 was part of the agreement of our surrounding developers 01:45:15.500 --> 01:45:16.560 that they would keep 01:45:16.560 --> 01:45:21.350 the lots similar to the size of our lots. So that's concern 01:45:21.350 --> 01:45:23.439 . And my last concern is 01:45:23.439 --> 01:45:26.869 we were fortunate enough to be annexed into the city of 10 01:45:26.869 --> 01:45:28.619 years ago with all 01:45:28.619 --> 01:45:33.359 these promises of you know getting services from the city. 01:45:33.359 --> 01:45:35.079 Today we still 01:45:35.079 --> 01:45:40.770 have wells, we have septic systems, we cannot get cable, we 01:45:40.770 --> 01:45:41.840 cannot get TXU 01:45:41.840 --> 01:45:48.079 electric and are there any utility advancements that's 01:45:48.079 --> 01:45:48.680 going to come down 01:45:48.680 --> 01:45:54.760 Ryan Road to help us out? Sure I appreciate your questions. 01:45:54.760 --> 01:45:56.960 The city, Cindy spoke 01:45:56.960 --> 01:45:59.779 to some road improvements going on so that's at the council 01:45:59.779 --> 01:46:00.479 level now to 01:46:00.479 --> 01:46:02.949 hopefully get the mobility plan moving towards the roads. I 01:46:02.949 --> 01:46:03.920 can ask Mr. Fletcher 01:46:03.920 --> 01:46:07.310 to come down and answer the question about is there gradi 01:46:07.310 --> 01:46:08.680 ating lot sizes from 01:46:08.680 --> 01:46:12.520 north to south or are they uniform lot size? 01:46:18.840 --> 01:46:22.989 They're relatively uniform lot sizes but what we did do if 01:46:22.989 --> 01:46:28.920 you look, so we we set 01:46:28.920 --> 01:46:32.359 the development off from Ryan Road so that there's buffers 01:46:32.359 --> 01:46:33.279 all around the 01:46:33.279 --> 01:46:37.210 development. So you've got approximately a 200 foot buffer 01:46:37.210 --> 01:46:38.479 so you will not have 01:46:38.479 --> 01:46:44.130 any homes in close proximity to Ryan Road. Then the buffer 01:46:44.130 --> 01:46:45.760 on the western edge 01:46:45.760 --> 01:46:48.979 I think down near the south I think it is as wide as a 01:46:48.979 --> 01:46:50.880 hundred feet or 120 and 01:46:50.880 --> 01:46:54.029 up towards the north I think it narrows up to about 80 feet 01:46:54.029 --> 01:46:56.079 . So the lot sizes 01:46:56.079 --> 01:46:58.680 are relatively uniform like I said there's some mixed in 01:46:58.680 --> 01:46:59.840 there that are 10 01:46:59.840 --> 01:47:03.210 feet wider to accommodate a third car garage but for the 01:47:03.210 --> 01:47:04.159 most part they're 01:47:04.159 --> 01:47:09.960 they're of relative same size. Thank you Mr. Fletcher. 01:47:09.960 --> 01:47:12.960 Your first homes will be located right there. 01:47:16.640 --> 01:47:21.199 Right to answer the comment about the entrance and the road 01:47:21.199 --> 01:47:23.039 so the city it was 01:47:23.039 --> 01:47:26.260 actually a discussion that they don't like straight through 01:47:26.260 --> 01:47:27.319 roads because what 01:47:27.319 --> 01:47:31.260 it does is it promotes cut through it promotes speeding and 01:47:31.260 --> 01:47:32.159 then when you have 01:47:32.159 --> 01:47:34.859 these residential neighborhoods where you have families and 01:47:34.859 --> 01:47:35.720 you have kids that 01:47:35.720 --> 01:47:39.439 are going to be crossing the street and playing you want to 01:47:39.439 --> 01:47:40.640 make them safe so 01:47:40.640 --> 01:47:43.590 you want to make it harder for people to use that as a 01:47:43.590 --> 01:47:45.119 speedway. So that was 01:47:45.119 --> 01:47:48.569 intentionally done and that was that was worked through 01:47:48.569 --> 01:47:50.000 when we went through the 01:47:50.000 --> 01:47:54.520 process of working out this land plan with the with the 01:47:54.520 --> 01:47:55.000 city. 01:47:59.000 --> 01:48:03.439 Can you set to the mic so make sure everyone hears? I like 01:48:03.439 --> 01:48:03.920 the fact that 01:48:03.920 --> 01:48:07.720 they're buffering the front of the development and I have 01:48:07.720 --> 01:48:08.520 no problem with 01:48:08.520 --> 01:48:11.890 the way the development is built but I think the city needs 01:48:11.890 --> 01:48:12.640 to take into 01:48:12.640 --> 01:48:15.869 consideration that people need to get from point A to point 01:48:15.869 --> 01:48:17.039 B without going 01:48:17.039 --> 01:48:21.619 you know three miles away and normally you have access 01:48:21.619 --> 01:48:23.359 routes and they need to 01:48:23.359 --> 01:48:25.819 take that consideration because the original plot I saw 01:48:25.819 --> 01:48:26.319 when they were 01:48:26.319 --> 01:48:29.920 going to develop Thistlehoe States is there was a road 01:48:29.920 --> 01:48:30.600 straight through 01:48:30.600 --> 01:48:33.779 Thistlehoe States all the way over to Hickory Creek and 01:48:33.779 --> 01:48:34.840 somewhere along the 01:48:34.840 --> 01:48:40.649 line that disappeared and I presume that this out in the 01:48:40.649 --> 01:48:40.960 back of this 01:48:40.960 --> 01:48:43.930 development is part of what was originally planned because 01:48:43.930 --> 01:48:44.199 that 01:48:44.199 --> 01:48:48.439 basically would go straight through but now they've turned 01:48:48.439 --> 01:48:50.640 the road into that's 01:48:50.640 --> 01:48:55.439 where all the trees are. Well your concerns have certainly 01:48:55.439 --> 01:48:56.079 been noted by 01:48:56.079 --> 01:48:58.920 city to make sure we look at the roads and the utilities. 01:48:58.920 --> 01:48:59.960 Commissioner Beck. 01:48:59.960 --> 01:49:06.050 Thank you Chair. Was it Hyrick? Hyatt? Hyatt? Hyatt-Lynk. 01:49:06.050 --> 01:49:11.359 Hyatt-Lynk. Okay thank you. I empathize with your 01:49:11.359 --> 01:49:15.539 concern about the traffic and then when we discuss the 01:49:15.539 --> 01:49:17.000 preliminary and the 01:49:17.000 --> 01:49:20.180 final plan that was a big issue with a lot of people how 01:49:20.180 --> 01:49:21.279 unfortunately sometimes 01:49:21.279 --> 01:49:23.739 we seem to put the horse before the carriage when it comes 01:49:23.739 --> 01:49:24.560 to developing and 01:49:24.560 --> 01:49:27.949 then put the roads in so I do empathize with you I wish it 01:49:27.949 --> 01:49:30.239 wasn't that way but 01:49:30.239 --> 01:49:32.989 what we're hearing now is there is some movement on 01:49:32.989 --> 01:49:34.520 expanding Bryan Road it'll 01:49:34.520 --> 01:49:37.359 be four lanes two lanes each way and I believe we'll have a 01:49:37.359 --> 01:49:39.039 medium in it as far 01:49:39.039 --> 01:49:42.800 as north-south roads go that depends on what's developed I 01:49:42.800 --> 01:49:43.640 understand if you go 01:49:43.640 --> 01:49:47.239 further on up you you get that kind of access going through 01:49:47.239 --> 01:49:48.479 Forest Ridge so 01:49:48.479 --> 01:49:53.590 those streets connect you to a northerly route as opposed 01:49:53.590 --> 01:49:55.159 to going all the way to 01:49:55.159 --> 01:49:58.630 the east for Teasley and all the way to the west so but we 01:49:58.630 --> 01:49:59.680 do empathize with you 01:49:59.680 --> 01:50:03.880 and I think every time these kind of developments come up 01:50:03.880 --> 01:50:05.920 most of some P&Z 01:50:05.920 --> 01:50:09.279 if not all of us are always kind of you know encouraging 01:50:09.279 --> 01:50:10.560 staff to be aware of 01:50:10.560 --> 01:50:13.430 the traffic conditions that they create when we do these 01:50:13.430 --> 01:50:14.720 kind of developments so 01:50:14.720 --> 01:50:17.409 and like I said I have no problem with developing 01:50:17.409 --> 01:50:19.119 developments like that but I 01:50:19.119 --> 01:50:21.899 think the city needs to take into consideration that they 01:50:21.899 --> 01:50:22.760 need to provide 01:50:22.760 --> 01:50:27.140 for some roads in the future I agree you're going they put 01:50:27.140 --> 01:50:27.760 all these drones 01:50:27.760 --> 01:50:32.119 side by side it's never gonna happen and that's on records 01:50:32.119 --> 01:50:33.079 on public record 01:50:33.079 --> 01:50:36.779 thanks and also where is the land going to come to why to 01:50:36.779 --> 01:50:37.840 widen Ryan River is 01:50:37.840 --> 01:50:41.100 it going to come off of our side of the street or the other 01:50:41.100 --> 01:50:41.359 side of it couldn't 01:50:41.359 --> 01:50:47.920 for you specifically but it's there it's there thank you 01:50:47.920 --> 01:50:47.920 sir 01:50:48.479 --> 01:50:53.439 is there anyone else who'd like to speak on this item more 01:50:53.439 --> 01:50:55.279 welcome to step on 01:50:55.279 --> 01:50:58.069 down once you're done speaking if you just fill out a blue 01:50:58.069 --> 01:50:59.239 card and then when 01:50:59.239 --> 01:51:03.680 he gets the mic state your name and mail-in address for the 01:51:03.680 --> 01:51:05.840 record my name 01:51:05.840 --> 01:51:11.949 is Betsy Casante I'm at 3933 Andrew Avenue regarding the P& 01:51:11.949 --> 01:51:14.359 Z agreement can 01:51:14.359 --> 01:51:19.199 you have explanation of what was previously approved versus 01:51:19.199 --> 01:51:19.920 what the 01:51:19.920 --> 01:51:23.609 discussions are today when it comes to the EDU's the lot 01:51:23.609 --> 01:51:24.800 size the home square 01:51:24.800 --> 01:51:30.460 footage for that particular area and then also regarding 01:51:30.460 --> 01:51:33.479 the trees so I am my 01:51:33.479 --> 01:51:36.449 house is to the back of the development that's going on 01:51:36.449 --> 01:51:38.279 orange temporary fences 01:51:38.279 --> 01:51:41.460 is kind of going to where it looks like maybe sidewalk 01:51:41.460 --> 01:51:42.760 material might be put 01:51:42.760 --> 01:51:45.229 down so I just would like to know what the orange temporary 01:51:45.229 --> 01:51:47.960 fence is meant for 01:51:51.760 --> 01:51:56.449 and then regarding the RD 5x current versus the NR3 01:51:56.449 --> 01:51:59.199 proposed that was up on 01:51:59.199 --> 01:52:03.260 the screen earlier a little explanation behind what those 01:52:03.260 --> 01:52:05.000 two mean from current 01:52:05.000 --> 01:52:09.039 to proposed and how that is affecting any changes that are 01:52:09.039 --> 01:52:10.359 going on right now 01:52:10.479 --> 01:52:13.960 yeah we can definitely get those answers the first one can 01:52:13.960 --> 01:52:15.960 I invite Cindy back up 01:52:15.960 --> 01:52:20.800 she mentioned an original approved to any changes was there 01:52:20.800 --> 01:52:22.039 anything previously 01:52:22.039 --> 01:52:26.159 approved on this property that was altered or changed 01:52:26.159 --> 01:52:27.279 coming forth today 01:52:27.279 --> 01:52:32.710 no this this property was not in the city previously when 01:52:32.710 --> 01:52:34.640 this before this 01:52:34.640 --> 01:52:38.069 started in 2016 the property actually had a non annexation 01:52:38.069 --> 01:52:38.920 agreement on it 01:52:38.920 --> 01:52:42.890 and there there were no previous agreements for what would 01:52:42.890 --> 01:52:43.800 be on there it 01:52:43.800 --> 01:52:47.880 had no zoning quite frankly until this is approved by 01:52:47.880 --> 01:52:48.640 council it still 01:52:48.640 --> 01:52:52.220 technically has no zoning the record the request about the 01:52:52.220 --> 01:52:53.420 RD 5x that's what we 01:52:53.420 --> 01:52:57.229 call a holding zoning we put the X after it to indicate 01:52:57.229 --> 01:52:58.880 that this is not it's a 01:52:58.880 --> 01:53:02.420 holding zoning it's not what the property is zoned it just 01:53:02.420 --> 01:53:03.079 if the 01:53:03.079 --> 01:53:09.439 property owner decides they want to develop without the 01:53:09.439 --> 01:53:11.520 benefit of zoning 01:53:11.520 --> 01:53:15.680 that they are restricted to whatever is permitted in the RD 01:53:15.680 --> 01:53:18.600 5 district and then 01:53:18.600 --> 01:53:21.119 are you aware or maybe mr. Fletcher be aware of any 01:53:21.119 --> 01:53:23.239 temporary fencing put up is 01:53:23.239 --> 01:53:26.420 there a sidewalk being constructed or can you speak to what 01:53:26.420 --> 01:53:27.359 those fences are 01:53:27.359 --> 01:53:31.079 glen orange the orange fencing that's protective fencing 01:53:31.079 --> 01:53:34.279 around trees and I 01:53:34.279 --> 01:53:40.239 can speak to that but the rest I can't yeah the the 01:53:40.239 --> 01:53:41.319 existing orange orange 01:53:41.319 --> 01:53:44.270 fencing is tree protection fencing but as part of the 01:53:44.270 --> 01:53:45.720 concept plan and part of 01:53:45.720 --> 01:53:49.239 what's been approved there will be a sidewalk that meanders 01:53:49.239 --> 01:53:50.000 through the trees 01:53:50.000 --> 01:53:53.930 one of the discussions during the early stages of the 01:53:53.930 --> 01:53:55.760 project was hey how can we 01:53:55.760 --> 01:53:59.050 how can we kind of incorporate this nice open areas let's 01:53:59.050 --> 01:54:00.119 do a nice meandering 01:54:00.119 --> 01:54:03.300 trail there's a lot of topography we've got open spaces 01:54:03.300 --> 01:54:04.880 that have trails that 01:54:04.880 --> 01:54:08.409 come up into those treat areas though there will be a 01:54:08.409 --> 01:54:09.920 sidewalk a concrete 01:54:09.920 --> 01:54:13.300 sidewalk that's constructed that will meander through there 01:54:13.300 --> 01:54:14.199 to the north and 01:54:14.199 --> 01:54:17.829 then it'll come down and and tie into the sidewalk that's 01:54:17.829 --> 01:54:19.000 on the street right 01:54:19.000 --> 01:54:22.289 there at the entry where the entry tees the sidewalk that's 01:54:22.289 --> 01:54:23.600 in the open space is 01:54:23.600 --> 01:54:27.039 is let me 01:54:34.399 --> 01:54:37.380 so right here through the middle there is a open space lot 01:54:37.380 --> 01:54:40.079 and that open space 01:54:40.079 --> 01:54:42.949 lot is there because there used to be a gas well on the 01:54:42.949 --> 01:54:44.319 site and as part of this 01:54:44.319 --> 01:54:48.659 development we coordinated and negotiated with the gas well 01:54:48.659 --> 01:54:49.399 operator 01:54:49.399 --> 01:54:53.500 purchased the the rights to the gas well had them cap it so 01:54:53.500 --> 01:54:55.079 that's another thing 01:54:55.079 --> 01:54:58.060 that was within the agreement I didn't mention early 01:54:58.060 --> 01:54:59.359 earlier but from this 01:54:59.359 --> 01:55:02.960 point here to the north that is where the sidewalk meanders 01:55:02.960 --> 01:55:04.119 through the trees 01:55:04.119 --> 01:55:09.550 from that point to the south it goes along it goes along 01:55:09.550 --> 01:55:11.760 the the curb or it's 01:55:11.760 --> 01:55:14.939 within the parkway in the normal location adjacent to the 01:55:14.939 --> 01:55:15.760 right of way and 01:55:15.760 --> 01:55:18.369 that had to do more with topography and width it's a little 01:55:18.369 --> 01:55:19.199 bit more reduced 01:55:19.199 --> 01:55:21.859 width and you had a little more topography but there will 01:55:21.859 --> 01:55:22.680 be a sidewalk 01:55:22.680 --> 01:55:26.640 through that portion of the open space perfect thank you 01:55:26.640 --> 01:55:33.590 Mr. Preneta to her question about the lot sizes so we have 01:55:33.590 --> 01:55:35.560 a two just to the 01:55:35.560 --> 01:55:37.739 north of this and a four to the south of this so these lot 01:55:37.739 --> 01:55:38.840 sizes will be kind of 01:55:38.840 --> 01:55:43.920 an intermediary size between what's above and below correct 01:55:43.920 --> 01:55:44.439 say that again I'm 01:55:44.439 --> 01:55:48.020 sorry she was asking about the lot sizes so based on what 01:55:48.020 --> 01:55:49.520 we're seeing there's a 01:55:49.520 --> 01:55:53.630 in our two to the north and our four to the south so these 01:55:53.630 --> 01:55:55.079 lot sizes for her 01:55:55.079 --> 01:55:59.069 visual would be kind of somewhere between kind of a that's 01:55:59.069 --> 01:56:00.159 correct I mean I 01:56:00.159 --> 01:56:03.380 would say that the southern part of Thistle Hill is the 01:56:03.380 --> 01:56:04.399 size of the lots 01:56:04.399 --> 01:56:07.789 themselves if you look at Thistle Hill as a whole on an 01:56:07.789 --> 01:56:09.279 aerial there's really 01:56:09.279 --> 01:56:12.890 no open space everything is put into the lots there's an 01:56:12.890 --> 01:56:14.380 open lot that's on the 01:56:14.380 --> 01:56:17.600 south end that's utilized for detention so our lots are 01:56:17.600 --> 01:56:19.039 more consistent probably 01:56:19.039 --> 01:56:21.750 in size or more similar in size with the southern portion 01:56:21.750 --> 01:56:23.159 of Thistle Hill but 01:56:23.159 --> 01:56:26.600 what we did is we took all that additional area and we 01:56:26.600 --> 01:56:27.680 preserved it in 01:56:27.680 --> 01:56:31.210 our open space so we have a much larger preservation area 01:56:31.210 --> 01:56:32.319 but the lots to the 01:56:32.319 --> 01:56:35.500 north there's if there are lots that are currently on sept 01:56:35.500 --> 01:56:36.760 ic generally that's a 01:56:36.760 --> 01:56:40.569 one acre lot or larger so that's going to be larger than 01:56:40.569 --> 01:56:41.960 what we've got here 01:56:41.960 --> 01:56:45.890 the lots that are just to our west that are the in our two 01:56:45.890 --> 01:56:47.479 section of Thistle 01:56:47.479 --> 01:56:50.250 Hill those are going to be larger the lots to the south 01:56:50.250 --> 01:56:51.359 that are in our four 01:56:51.359 --> 01:56:53.829 they're probably a little bit smaller but they're more 01:56:53.829 --> 01:56:55.560 comparable and then Ryan 01:56:55.560 --> 01:56:59.279 ranch that's to our south those are those lots are smaller 01:56:59.279 --> 01:57:00.359 than what we're 01:57:00.359 --> 01:57:03.189 proposing in the development so we're probably if you 01:57:03.189 --> 01:57:03.960 looked at the 01:57:03.960 --> 01:57:07.550 surrounding developments we're probably a mid-size lot 01:57:07.550 --> 01:57:09.000 compared to what's around 01:57:09.000 --> 01:57:15.239 us thank you very much thank you and miss Casante just as a 01:57:15.239 --> 01:57:16.039 follow-up you had a 01:57:16.039 --> 01:57:20.840 couple questions about specifics about was approved and 01:57:20.840 --> 01:57:23.560 then the RDX RD 5x 01:57:23.560 --> 01:57:26.739 those can be really confusing and so if you have any more 01:57:26.739 --> 01:57:27.960 questions happy answer 01:57:27.960 --> 01:57:31.140 or Cindy can certainly offline talk to you about all the 01:57:31.140 --> 01:57:32.399 requirements that the 01:57:32.399 --> 01:57:36.329 new zoning would have on the property what about the 01:57:36.329 --> 01:57:37.159 minimum square footage of 01:57:37.159 --> 01:57:42.750 the homes being built let me look in the PADA it's it's it 01:57:42.750 --> 01:57:44.119 's within the PADA I 01:57:44.119 --> 01:57:48.739 think there's a I think the minimum is 18,000 and then we 01:57:48.739 --> 01:57:48.960 have to order 01:57:48.960 --> 01:57:57.000 I'm sorry 1800 the home price would not be 350 I had 01:57:57.000 --> 01:57:58.880 another just keep you on 01:57:58.880 --> 01:58:08.600 your toes and then 45% are 2400 square feet and on the 01:58:08.600 --> 01:58:10.640 minimum lot size the the 01:58:10.640 --> 01:58:16.239 PDA specifies 7200 square feet okay yeah that would be 60 01:58:16.239 --> 01:58:17.720 by 120 I think I may 01:58:17.720 --> 01:58:24.279 have must spoke then if I think I said 60 by 130 thank you 01:58:24.279 --> 01:58:25.960 for the correction 01:58:27.359 --> 01:58:30.939 wouldn't yes please step forward again if you just fill out 01:58:30.939 --> 01:58:32.319 a blue card state 01:58:32.319 --> 01:58:35.300 your name and address for the record my name is Ken 01:58:35.300 --> 01:58:37.520 Benjamin I live at 1009 01:58:37.520 --> 01:58:41.949 Stoneway Drive on the south side of the deal I need to ask 01:58:41.949 --> 01:58:42.960 him about the he was 01:58:42.960 --> 01:58:46.750 putting a walkway around the property and he was showing 01:58:46.750 --> 01:58:47.960 one side I wanted to 01:58:47.960 --> 01:58:51.199 know about on the south side 01:58:59.159 --> 01:59:03.350 I live down here in this far corner down here there's there 01:59:03.350 --> 01:59:03.840 gonna be a walkway 01:59:03.840 --> 01:59:09.489 coming through this set of trees so is there gonna be fence 01:59:09.489 --> 01:59:11.720 line or a stuff 01:59:11.720 --> 01:59:15.649 fence going through there to block off a property or is it 01:59:15.649 --> 01:59:15.920 gonna be open no 01:59:15.920 --> 01:59:19.569 there so each individual lot will have the builder fence on 01:59:19.569 --> 01:59:20.720 the backside of the 01:59:20.720 --> 01:59:26.359 lot so with the open spaces I believe in the PDA all the 01:59:26.359 --> 01:59:27.560 lots that back to the 01:59:27.560 --> 01:59:31.090 open space have a wrought iron or tubular steel fence so 01:59:31.090 --> 01:59:32.239 that that because 01:59:32.239 --> 01:59:35.850 you've got that nice 80-foot buffer along that south end 01:59:35.850 --> 01:59:36.800 with those trees 01:59:36.800 --> 01:59:40.090 there will be fences but they're gonna be offset from the 01:59:40.090 --> 01:59:41.279 development to the 01:59:41.279 --> 01:59:44.890 south along the builder lots so that the views of those 01:59:44.890 --> 01:59:46.920 existing trees enjoyed 01:59:46.920 --> 01:59:49.760 hate to interrupt can you raise that sheet just a little 01:59:49.760 --> 01:59:50.640 bit and point to 01:59:50.640 --> 01:59:54.920 where you're specifically speaking of so down here in Ryan 01:59:54.920 --> 01:59:56.920 wrench he's asking if 01:59:56.920 --> 01:59:59.479 there's going to be a fence so if you look at the clearing 01:59:59.479 --> 02:00:00.399 area so basically 02:00:00.399 --> 02:00:05.840 what we did you can see the lots superimposed on the aerial 02:00:05.840 --> 02:00:06.600 and you can 02:00:06.600 --> 02:00:09.819 see that there's probably about 10 feet of clearing just 02:00:09.819 --> 02:00:11.159 past the lot line and 02:00:11.159 --> 02:00:14.659 that was for building retaining walls drainage wells and so 02:00:14.659 --> 02:00:15.439 forth to make 02:00:15.439 --> 02:00:18.779 everything work from an engineering standpoint these lots 02:00:18.779 --> 02:00:20.199 will have fences 02:00:20.199 --> 02:00:24.899 on them I believe in the PDA because they're backing to in 02:00:24.899 --> 02:00:26.560 the PDA was done 02:00:26.560 --> 02:00:30.000 back in 2016 so it's been a while since I've looked at it 02:00:30.000 --> 02:00:31.279 real closely in the 02:00:31.279 --> 02:00:34.979 exhibit but we had exhibits that showed where wrought iron 02:00:34.979 --> 02:00:35.619 or tubular steel 02:00:35.619 --> 02:00:39.550 fencing would have to be provided because of the open space 02:00:39.550 --> 02:00:40.479 and I believe 02:00:40.479 --> 02:00:44.199 all the open space lots if you back to an open space it's a 02:00:44.199 --> 02:00:44.880 it's a tubular 02:00:44.880 --> 02:00:49.020 steel fence so that you enjoy and get to to you know it's 02:00:49.020 --> 02:00:50.520 kind of creating that 02:00:50.520 --> 02:00:53.470 open space bring it into your backyard so there'll be a 02:00:53.470 --> 02:00:54.640 fence it's I believe 02:00:54.640 --> 02:00:57.539 it's likely to be a tubular steel fence that allows the 02:00:57.539 --> 02:00:58.800 view of the open space 02:00:58.800 --> 02:01:04.670 but this this separation along here with those trees there 02:01:04.670 --> 02:01:05.760 's not going to be any 02:01:05.760 --> 02:01:09.369 sidewalk and that is just going to remain a preservation 02:01:09.369 --> 02:01:10.520 area okay that's 02:01:10.520 --> 02:01:17.289 what I'm the sanitary sewer does come down and connect on 02:01:17.289 --> 02:01:18.399 this corner right 02:01:18.399 --> 02:01:22.439 but there's nothing along this back perimeter area yeah I 02:01:22.439 --> 02:01:22.840 was I was 02:01:22.840 --> 02:01:25.300 concerned with that so we wouldn't have to build a bigger 02:01:25.300 --> 02:01:26.039 fence in our backyard 02:01:26.039 --> 02:01:30.359 so we could enjoy these trees too right so okay what's the 02:01:30.359 --> 02:01:31.359 deal with the they 02:01:31.359 --> 02:01:34.840 gonna do anything with the pond the pond is to remain and 02:01:34.840 --> 02:01:36.279 there's a budget to put 02:01:36.279 --> 02:01:40.640 a fountain in it so they'll they'll once the development 02:01:40.640 --> 02:01:41.399 gets finished and they 02:01:41.399 --> 02:01:44.840 come in and start doing the the landscape and hardscape and 02:01:44.840 --> 02:01:45.420 amenity 02:01:45.420 --> 02:01:48.939 package there will be a fountain placed in the in the pod 02:01:48.939 --> 02:01:50.279 to aerate it and have 02:01:50.279 --> 02:01:56.239 it as a amenity to the development okay thanks thank you of 02:01:56.239 --> 02:01:56.880 course thank you 02:01:56.880 --> 02:02:01.210 mr. Fletcher more than welcome to come forward if you could 02:02:01.210 --> 02:02:02.319 just fill out a 02:02:02.319 --> 02:02:06.479 card set your name and address for the record Tracy Jenkins 02:02:06.479 --> 02:02:07.979 I lit 801 day 02:02:07.979 --> 02:02:11.560 spring and I have a question about the road that's coming 02:02:11.560 --> 02:02:12.920 through connecting to 02:02:12.920 --> 02:02:35.420 creak down so the track when Ryan ranch and when this will 02:02:35.420 --> 02:02:35.880 hill develop there 02:02:35.880 --> 02:02:39.239 was a 80 foot wide spike strip through there kind of 02:02:39.239 --> 02:02:41.920 created a flag lot and so 02:02:41.920 --> 02:02:45.500 the roadway that's going to be constructed it'll be the to 02:02:45.500 --> 02:02:46.119 the city 02:02:46.119 --> 02:02:50.050 standard it'll be a typical concrete curb and gutter road 02:02:50.050 --> 02:02:51.680 way if you so close 02:02:51.680 --> 02:02:55.939 we can turn the mic walking down where is Creekdale Creek 02:02:55.939 --> 02:02:57.479 dale is just here it's 02:02:57.479 --> 02:03:01.239 running across here east-west 02:03:02.199 --> 02:03:16.279 yeah I because it comes out do you have on your 02:03:16.279 --> 02:03:17.199 presentation so it's gonna come 02:03:17.199 --> 02:03:20.720 out here correct and dead end so you're gonna have all 02:03:20.720 --> 02:03:21.680 those people cutting 02:03:21.680 --> 02:03:25.149 through to a dead end and then they're gonna take a left 02:03:25.149 --> 02:03:26.359 and then be taken 02:03:26.359 --> 02:03:30.619 right all going down there well the traffic impact analysis 02:03:30.619 --> 02:03:31.279 has been done 02:03:31.279 --> 02:03:35.270 and we've looked at the traffic patterns most traffic will 02:03:35.270 --> 02:03:36.680 actually go to Ryan 02:03:36.680 --> 02:03:41.369 and then go east with a small percentage going west so even 02:03:41.369 --> 02:03:42.199 though the 02:03:42.199 --> 02:03:46.729 connections there because of the access because of the 02:03:46.729 --> 02:03:48.319 route to get I mean you 02:03:48.319 --> 02:03:51.180 may have you you certainly can't have traffic people are 02:03:51.180 --> 02:03:52.119 gonna typically 02:03:52.119 --> 02:03:56.649 choose the quickest route but you it does have connectivity 02:03:56.649 --> 02:03:58.319 to Creekdale where 02:03:58.319 --> 02:04:01.500 they can turn right and or turn left and then do a right 02:04:01.500 --> 02:04:03.180 and then go down to is 02:04:03.180 --> 02:04:05.960 it Hickory Creek or 02:04:05.960 --> 02:04:09.640 I think I'm trying right in Creekdale or that Creekdale 02:04:09.640 --> 02:04:11.600 area specifically no so 02:04:11.600 --> 02:04:15.180 Creekdale across our frontage is already improved Creekdale 02:04:15.180 --> 02:04:15.840 on the city's 02:04:15.840 --> 02:04:20.029 mobility plan is a collector roadway which is a 65 foot 02:04:20.029 --> 02:04:21.439 right of way at the 02:04:21.439 --> 02:04:24.319 time it was a 37 foot back-to-back roadway the city's 02:04:24.319 --> 02:04:25.079 updated their 02:04:25.079 --> 02:04:29.010 standards so new collectors would be I believe 39 or 41 02:04:29.010 --> 02:04:30.840 foot back-to-back but 02:04:30.840 --> 02:04:34.020 because it's improved in front of our frontage there's this 02:04:34.020 --> 02:04:34.800 tract has no 02:04:34.800 --> 02:04:39.159 obligation there's no improvements to the to the to Creek 02:04:39.159 --> 02:04:40.960 dale down here as 02:04:40.960 --> 02:04:44.890 these other tracks develop or if there is a city initiated 02:04:44.890 --> 02:04:45.920 project then 02:04:45.920 --> 02:04:49.500 Creekdale would eventually extend to the east and connect 02:04:49.500 --> 02:04:51.279 to where it's currently 02:04:51.279 --> 02:04:54.920 stopped with the I believe it's forest Meadows project but 02:04:54.920 --> 02:04:55.600 it may be a 02:04:55.600 --> 02:04:59.260 different subdivision but there is a gap currently right 02:04:59.260 --> 02:05:00.220 now that is 02:05:00.220 --> 02:05:03.829 undeveloped a portion of Creekdale and generally that would 02:05:03.829 --> 02:05:04.279 occur with 02:05:04.279 --> 02:05:08.800 development of those of those tracks of land 02:05:11.800 --> 02:05:16.079 I mean all the people that cut through thistle hills now 02:05:16.079 --> 02:05:17.800 you have all of them 02:05:17.800 --> 02:05:23.020 coming down where it dead ends around the corner 90 degrees 02:05:23.020 --> 02:05:24.199 and then you're 02:05:24.199 --> 02:05:27.720 gonna have all these people come into a T basically trying 02:05:27.720 --> 02:05:28.840 to cut around and 02:05:28.840 --> 02:05:32.949 sneak around and take a right down I don't know what the 02:05:32.949 --> 02:05:33.880 name of that road is 02:05:33.880 --> 02:05:39.029 down River Pass yeah down River Pass and I'm not sure if 02:05:39.029 --> 02:05:41.560 River Pass is a collector or not it looks it 02:05:41.560 --> 02:05:45.489 appears to be a big road I mean it's it can handle it but 02:05:45.489 --> 02:05:46.600 that that little 02:05:46.600 --> 02:05:49.899 intersection right there is gonna be well Creekdale should 02:05:49.899 --> 02:05:51.039 be constructed as 02:05:51.039 --> 02:05:54.300 a collector so it should be 37 foot back-to-back which 02:05:54.300 --> 02:05:55.600 which generally a 02:05:55.600 --> 02:06:00.710 collector allows about typically 10,000 to 12,000 vehicles 02:06:00.710 --> 02:06:02.520 per day so both 02:06:02.520 --> 02:06:09.119 Creekdale and River Pass are currently collectors I'm 02:06:09.119 --> 02:06:11.840 worried about that intersection and everyone trying to cut 02:06:11.840 --> 02:06:16.319 through there and then be trying to take that corner 02:06:16.319 --> 02:06:21.909 I'm gonna interject here Ms. Jenkins I think all your your 02:06:21.909 --> 02:06:23.439 points are valid for 02:06:23.439 --> 02:06:26.640 the sake of the audience I would ask if there's a sidebar 02:06:26.640 --> 02:06:27.319 conversation Mr. 02:06:27.319 --> 02:06:29.859 Fletcher if you could hang out right after the item that'd 02:06:29.859 --> 02:06:30.840 be helpful I want 02:06:30.840 --> 02:06:34.920 to remind everyone here that this the plat is actually 02:06:34.920 --> 02:06:36.439 finalized that the 02:06:36.439 --> 02:06:40.619 road structure everything is has been approved by the city 02:06:40.619 --> 02:06:41.880 and so any impact 02:06:41.880 --> 02:06:45.810 to traffic is being assessed now and road improvements will 02:06:45.810 --> 02:06:46.840 be made from a city 02:06:46.840 --> 02:06:49.319 perspective on Ryan or Creekdale or however it's being 02:06:49.319 --> 02:06:50.319 impacted by the city 02:06:50.319 --> 02:06:52.779 what we're looking at specifically tonight is to go ahead 02:06:52.779 --> 02:06:53.399 and approve the 02:06:53.399 --> 02:06:57.750 actual zoning to go forward the project we're unable to 02:06:57.750 --> 02:06:59.560 look at a redirection of 02:06:59.560 --> 02:07:03.170 roads or or the actual platting that's been finalized by 02:07:03.170 --> 02:07:06.119 the city at this point 02:07:09.439 --> 02:07:14.659 with that said if anyone has anything about the zoning or 02:07:14.659 --> 02:07:16.199 density be happy to 02:07:16.199 --> 02:07:23.159 answer those those inquiries sir typically we have one 02:07:23.159 --> 02:07:24.640 allocation to speak 02:07:24.640 --> 02:07:28.880 if you'd like to come down that's one more question I'll 02:07:28.880 --> 02:07:35.920 allow it I just didn't 02:07:35.920 --> 02:07:38.460 get one of my questions answered from earlier is what 02:07:38.460 --> 02:07:39.520 happened to the road 02:07:39.520 --> 02:07:42.409 that was originally shown cutting all the way through which 02:07:42.409 --> 02:07:43.279 is what they were 02:07:43.279 --> 02:07:47.960 just talking about and they left they left that part on the 02:07:47.960 --> 02:07:48.359 back of the 02:07:48.359 --> 02:07:51.539 property and originally there was a road going all the way 02:07:51.539 --> 02:07:51.960 through on some 02:07:51.960 --> 02:07:56.020 plats I saw along not plats but I think they were just city 02:07:56.020 --> 02:07:57.399 projection drawings 02:07:57.399 --> 02:08:02.270 or something I can't speak to any concept plans what I know 02:08:02.270 --> 02:08:03.279 is the plenary plat 02:08:03.279 --> 02:08:05.750 that went through this Commission as well as the final plat 02:08:05.750 --> 02:08:06.399 had the the 02:08:06.399 --> 02:08:09.119 mazing of the road so I'm not sure if there's a concept 02:08:09.119 --> 02:08:10.199 planned in the past 02:08:10.199 --> 02:08:13.399 that certainly wasn't brought forward to the plotting stage 02:08:13.399 --> 02:08:14.800 and if Cindy you have 02:08:14.800 --> 02:08:18.199 any context to that I just like to say I think you need to 02:08:18.199 --> 02:08:18.920 take into 02:08:18.920 --> 02:08:21.539 consideration that it is going to be dangerous because 02:08:21.539 --> 02:08:22.560 people will be cutting 02:08:22.560 --> 02:08:25.739 through there everybody I know cuts through this all of the 02:08:25.739 --> 02:08:26.720 states now and 02:08:26.720 --> 02:08:29.600 it's it's a maze to get through there but everybody does it 02:08:29.600 --> 02:08:31.119 because otherwise 02:08:31.119 --> 02:08:33.899 you drive three or four miles out of your way understood so 02:08:33.899 --> 02:08:34.720 I think it's a 02:08:34.720 --> 02:08:39.079 problem needs to be the applicant in his presentation 02:08:39.079 --> 02:08:40.600 stated that the city asked 02:08:40.600 --> 02:08:44.649 him not to put a straight through because it could turn 02:08:44.649 --> 02:08:45.920 into a raceway to 02:08:45.920 --> 02:08:49.600 be honest with you we we asked to have it meander so that 02:08:49.600 --> 02:08:51.119 it couldn't gotcha 02:08:51.119 --> 02:09:05.680 thank you Cindy is this going to be an HOA and who's going 02:09:05.680 --> 02:09:06.479 to maintain these 02:09:06.479 --> 02:09:11.279 green belt areas and also the gas line running down is it 02:09:11.279 --> 02:09:13.000 still live or is it 02:09:13.000 --> 02:09:15.550 not the gas well they can't about the big major gas line 02:09:15.550 --> 02:09:16.800 that runs down along 02:09:16.800 --> 02:09:21.359 the west side over there I lost the applicant answer the 02:09:21.359 --> 02:09:22.000 first question 02:09:22.000 --> 02:09:25.630 there will be an HOA and the HOA will be responsible for 02:09:25.630 --> 02:09:26.880 maintaining all the open 02:09:26.880 --> 02:09:31.859 spaces second question the gas line is that is a gathering 02:09:31.859 --> 02:09:33.319 line that my 02:09:33.319 --> 02:09:37.050 understanding is that line is servicing several wells in 02:09:37.050 --> 02:09:38.399 the area and that line 02:09:38.399 --> 02:09:42.079 is active and it will remain so it runs along the western 02:09:42.079 --> 02:09:43.479 edge of the property 02:09:43.479 --> 02:09:46.970 and then turns back to the east on the on the north end 02:09:46.970 --> 02:09:48.359 just south of the of 02:09:48.359 --> 02:09:53.960 the right of way of Ryan Road thank you 02:09:54.520 --> 02:09:59.640 anyone else like to speak on this item well thank you 02:09:59.640 --> 02:10:01.199 everyone who was able to 02:10:01.199 --> 02:10:04.069 speak I'll go ahead and close the public session and open 02:10:04.069 --> 02:10:04.920 it to the commission 02:10:04.920 --> 02:10:08.079 for discussion or motion 02:10:14.479 --> 02:10:16.949 Commissioner Beck thank you chair and thank every one of 02:10:16.949 --> 02:10:19.600 you for coming out 02:10:19.600 --> 02:10:21.810 and speaking on this tonight we know this is important to 02:10:21.810 --> 02:10:22.319 you and as I 02:10:22.319 --> 02:10:27.260 mentioned to mr. highly I hope I said that right earlier we 02:10:27.260 --> 02:10:28.920 empathize with the 02:10:28.920 --> 02:10:33.770 impact that more homes in the area more cars and like you 02:10:33.770 --> 02:10:35.319 we wish that they 02:10:35.319 --> 02:10:35.319 would put the car before the horse but this is a 02:10:35.319 --> 02:10:41.960 development that that fits this 02:10:41.960 --> 02:10:46.840 area it's the city's growing it needs homes and needs homes 02:10:46.840 --> 02:10:49.199 of this nature so 02:10:49.199 --> 02:10:55.039 it's hard to negate what what's being provided here the 02:10:55.039 --> 02:10:56.600 thing is when you move 02:10:56.600 --> 02:10:59.779 into an area the first ones there it's always rough when 02:10:59.779 --> 02:11:01.239 new people come in and 02:11:01.239 --> 02:11:04.649 it changes and alters the patterns that you're used to so 02:11:04.649 --> 02:11:05.840 but I think in time 02:11:05.840 --> 02:11:08.300 you'll get used to it the roads hopefully will get fixed a 02:11:08.300 --> 02:11:08.760 lot quicker 02:11:08.760 --> 02:11:15.010 than we all would like to see them get fixed so I think in 02:11:15.010 --> 02:11:16.279 the long run this 02:11:16.279 --> 02:11:20.279 will be a positive development for you and with that said I 02:11:20.279 --> 02:11:21.159 'd like to make a 02:11:21.159 --> 02:11:27.279 motion to approve is the 18 oh oh 208 02:11:27.520 --> 02:11:30.760 mr. Cole 02:11:32.439 --> 02:11:36.960 second perfect thank you we have a first and second is 02:11:36.960 --> 02:11:38.840 there any discussion 02:11:38.840 --> 02:11:43.039 pressure Alice thank you chair I just I think this 02:11:43.039 --> 02:11:45.399 development as Commissioner 02:11:45.399 --> 02:11:48.699 Beck said does fit the area it's also brought about great 02:11:48.699 --> 02:11:49.920 discussion and thank 02:11:49.920 --> 02:11:53.010 you all for sharing your your thoughts and concerns and and 02:11:53.010 --> 02:11:53.880 and all along the 02:11:53.880 --> 02:11:59.729 way there's was an atypical development process for all of 02:11:59.729 --> 02:12:01.680 us but it has brought 02:12:01.680 --> 02:12:06.109 forth some discussion within staff it's brought about new 02:12:06.109 --> 02:12:07.840 process for looking at 02:12:07.840 --> 02:12:14.279 roads so all of that is is a definite positive thing thank 02:12:14.279 --> 02:12:15.560 you mr. Ellis 02:12:15.560 --> 02:12:18.149 before I call for but I just want to say and echo 02:12:18.149 --> 02:12:19.960 commissioner Ellis's points 02:12:19.960 --> 02:12:23.890 this is a very unique situation in which the order was kind 02:12:23.890 --> 02:12:25.159 of reversed and so I 02:12:25.159 --> 02:12:28.359 appreciate everyone's patience and trying to understand 02:12:28.359 --> 02:12:29.199 that as well as 02:12:29.199 --> 02:12:33.329 understand the the applicants property and agenda coming 02:12:33.329 --> 02:12:34.239 through I can see 02:12:34.239 --> 02:12:37.550 personally my younger brother lives in the neighborhood to 02:12:37.550 --> 02:12:38.119 the west just off 02:12:38.119 --> 02:12:41.920 Maggie's Meadow I live in Forest Ridge I take Ryan Road all 02:12:41.920 --> 02:12:42.399 the time and I 02:12:42.399 --> 02:12:45.720 understand the the impact that it potentially has and I 02:12:45.720 --> 02:12:46.880 certainly am an 02:12:46.880 --> 02:12:50.060 advocate to get Ryan Road more efficient in terms of 02:12:50.060 --> 02:12:51.960 managing traffic that being 02:12:51.960 --> 02:12:55.229 said the concessions made by the applicant to be annexed to 02:12:55.229 --> 02:12:56.000 come under the 02:12:56.000 --> 02:12:59.930 city to pay substantially more impact fees than would have 02:12:59.930 --> 02:13:01.079 been required as 02:13:01.079 --> 02:13:03.770 well as try to make the project as nice as possible I think 02:13:03.770 --> 02:13:04.760 is a good thing for 02:13:04.760 --> 02:13:09.460 the area and so I'm going ahead and vote for approval with 02:13:09.460 --> 02:13:10.840 this knowing and 02:13:10.840 --> 02:13:13.310 letting you know that I'm going to follow up on the the 02:13:13.310 --> 02:13:14.000 traffic impact in 02:13:14.000 --> 02:13:16.739 the roads going forward to make sure that congestion doesn 02:13:16.739 --> 02:13:17.600 't overtake that 02:13:17.600 --> 02:13:21.430 south part of town see another discussion I will call for a 02:13:21.430 --> 02:13:21.720 vote on the 02:13:21.720 --> 02:13:35.560 board motion carries six zero with one absent 02:13:38.119 --> 02:13:45.630 I'll move us to agenda item 3c which is a ESA 16 - 3 I'll 02:13:45.630 --> 02:13:46.319 call Haley for 02:13:46.319 --> 02:14:13.319 presentation and open the item for public hearing all right 02:14:13.319 --> 02:14:13.880 good evening 02:14:13.880 --> 02:14:19.100 this is item a ESA 16 - 3 for Country Club road estates so 02:14:19.100 --> 02:14:20.279 the request before 02:14:20.279 --> 02:14:23.460 you tonight is to hold this public hearing consider making 02:14:23.460 --> 02:14:24.159 a recommendation 02:14:24.159 --> 02:14:26.630 to the City Council regarding an alternative 02:14:26.630 --> 02:14:27.479 environmentally sensitive 02:14:27.479 --> 02:14:31.010 area plan the property in question is outlined in yellow on 02:14:31.010 --> 02:14:32.359 the map it's just 02:14:32.359 --> 02:14:35.640 over 35 acres total as you can see here it's located on the 02:14:35.640 --> 02:14:36.680 west side of country 02:14:36.680 --> 02:14:39.229 club I'm sorry the east side of Country Club Road south of 02:14:39.229 --> 02:14:40.760 Regency Court the 02:14:40.760 --> 02:14:44.189 particular type of ESA that is up for discussion tonight is 02:14:44.189 --> 02:14:45.039 the undeveloped 02:14:45.039 --> 02:14:48.220 floodplain ESA on this property there is also riparian 02:14:48.220 --> 02:14:49.600 buffer but as you'll see 02:14:49.600 --> 02:14:53.020 as we go through these slides that is not proposed to be 02:14:53.020 --> 02:14:54.399 impacted at this time 02:14:54.399 --> 02:14:58.329 it's also important to note that although we do have newly 02:14:58.329 --> 02:14:59.159 adopted ESA 02:14:59.159 --> 02:15:03.479 standards as of 2017 this particular application has been 02:15:03.479 --> 02:15:04.119 in the work since 02:15:04.119 --> 02:15:09.010 2016 so it predates that and would fall under the previous 02:15:09.010 --> 02:15:10.279 ESA regulations 02:15:10.279 --> 02:15:13.149 looking at the zoning for this property to give you a 02:15:13.149 --> 02:15:14.439 little bit of history 02:15:14.439 --> 02:15:18.640 prior to 2017 the property did have a split zoning of NR 2 02:15:18.640 --> 02:15:20.119 and NR 4 some of 02:15:20.119 --> 02:15:22.720 you may remember when this case came forward there was 02:15:22.720 --> 02:15:23.960 discussion over kind 02:15:23.960 --> 02:15:26.430 of balancing out the zoning to give a uniform density 02:15:26.430 --> 02:15:28.279 across the property so 02:15:28.279 --> 02:15:31.460 they did request a rezoning to NR 3 that was approved and 02:15:31.460 --> 02:15:32.640 although they they 02:15:32.640 --> 02:15:37.859 could have a maximum of 124 lots under this zoning the 02:15:37.859 --> 02:15:38.880 preliminary plot that 02:15:38.880 --> 02:15:42.609 was on your agenda earlier this evening reflected only 73 02:15:42.609 --> 02:15:44.399 lots so looking at 02:15:44.399 --> 02:15:47.640 that preliminary plot you can see kind of two phases of 02:15:47.640 --> 02:15:48.520 development proposed 02:15:48.520 --> 02:15:51.699 here the phase that's on the east side of the floodplain 02:15:51.699 --> 02:15:52.800 would be the first phase 02:15:52.800 --> 02:15:55.979 the second phase is kind of on hold if you will it's 02:15:55.979 --> 02:15:57.239 intended to occur but 02:15:57.239 --> 02:15:59.859 they're waiting to see how wide text dot intends to make 02:15:59.859 --> 02:16:00.800 Country Club Road 02:16:00.800 --> 02:16:04.380 eventually so with phase one we would have the extension of 02:16:04.380 --> 02:16:05.640 Meadowlands Drive 02:16:05.640 --> 02:16:08.300 into this property you can see the roads as we just 02:16:08.300 --> 02:16:10.079 discussed kind of meander to 02:16:10.079 --> 02:16:13.260 limit that direct cut through traffic from the subdivision 02:16:13.260 --> 02:16:15.000 to Country Club so 02:16:15.000 --> 02:16:17.159 the road would meander and at first there would be a 02:16:17.159 --> 02:16:18.279 temporary access point 02:16:18.279 --> 02:16:21.100 here on the north side where there's already an existing 02:16:21.100 --> 02:16:22.119 driveway over time 02:16:22.119 --> 02:16:25.300 as phase two develops that that would move further south to 02:16:25.300 --> 02:16:26.079 have one primary 02:16:26.079 --> 02:16:29.489 entrance off of Country Club Road as you can see here the E 02:16:29.489 --> 02:16:31.840 SA and the stream that 02:16:31.840 --> 02:16:34.309 runs through the property are contained entirely within 02:16:34.309 --> 02:16:35.479 lots 1x and 2x that you 02:16:35.479 --> 02:16:40.040 see here kind of in the central portion and I will call 02:16:40.040 --> 02:16:42.079 Deborah Vieira down to 02:16:42.079 --> 02:16:44.739 kind of walk you through the various types of ESA on the 02:16:44.739 --> 02:16:45.680 property and what 02:16:45.680 --> 02:16:49.399 these specific impacts would be 02:16:57.719 --> 02:17:00.629 good evening Commission my name is Deborah Vieira I'm with 02:17:00.629 --> 02:17:01.239 the Environmental 02:17:01.239 --> 02:17:06.659 Services before you tonight it is a consideration of an 02:17:06.659 --> 02:17:08.200 alternative ESA to 02:17:08.200 --> 02:17:12.559 encroach into the undeveloped floodplain which is color on 02:17:12.559 --> 02:17:17.040 the map as a blue just 02:17:17.040 --> 02:17:19.659 as a point of clarification even though there's a repair 02:17:19.659 --> 02:17:20.559 and buffing going 02:17:20.559 --> 02:17:23.409 through the middle of the floodplain no encroachment is 02:17:23.409 --> 02:17:25.200 proposed therefore that 02:17:25.200 --> 02:17:29.739 area is not included as a part of this alternative ESA plan 02:17:29.739 --> 02:17:31.920 in 2015 staff make 02:17:31.920 --> 02:17:36.459 a field assessment to assess the conditions of the repair 02:17:36.459 --> 02:17:37.680 and buffer and 02:17:37.680 --> 02:17:41.200 the floodplain on site it was found that the northern 02:17:41.200 --> 02:17:42.959 portion of the property 02:17:42.959 --> 02:17:47.180 have been heavily impacted by grading fill and removal of 02:17:47.180 --> 02:17:49.760 vegetation so due to 02:17:49.760 --> 02:17:53.079 that assessment we reclassify the northern portion of it as 02:17:53.079 --> 02:17:53.639 a developed 02:17:53.639 --> 02:17:57.389 and then we also remove the repair and buffer within that 02:17:57.389 --> 02:17:59.280 section the southern 02:17:59.280 --> 02:18:04.040 section stays as an undeveloped with a true repair and 02:18:04.040 --> 02:18:07.399 buffer the table here in 02:18:07.399 --> 02:18:11.719 front of you represents the different square footage of the 02:18:11.719 --> 02:18:12.639 areas and the 02:18:12.639 --> 02:18:17.340 disturbances that will be made to that area I just want to 02:18:17.340 --> 02:18:18.639 highlight that only 02:18:18.639 --> 02:18:22.629 the rows highlighted in yellow pertains to the scope of the 02:18:22.629 --> 02:18:24.000 alternative ESA 02:18:24.000 --> 02:18:27.090 plan the other information is additional information for 02:18:27.090 --> 02:18:28.079 you to understand the 02:18:28.079 --> 02:18:35.629 extent of the overall improvement in front of you is a 02:18:35.629 --> 02:18:38.180 detail that the 02:18:38.180 --> 02:18:41.430 applicant put together to explain where the field is going 02:18:41.430 --> 02:18:42.280 to be placed in 02:18:42.280 --> 02:18:46.360 relationship to the repair and buffer this area is where 02:18:46.360 --> 02:18:47.899 the field is going to 02:18:47.899 --> 02:18:52.719 be just to your attention the field is outside of the 02:18:52.719 --> 02:18:54.920 stream buffer maximum 02:18:54.920 --> 02:19:00.040 width which stops right here and what they're showing here 02:19:00.040 --> 02:19:01.280 that if by any 02:19:01.280 --> 02:19:03.979 chance there are trees would happen to be at the edge of 02:19:03.979 --> 02:19:05.120 the repair and buffer 02:19:05.120 --> 02:19:09.969 that proposed field will be pushed further out so in that 02:19:09.969 --> 02:19:11.319 way the root zone 02:19:11.319 --> 02:19:17.129 of the of those trees are protected here we are showing 02:19:17.129 --> 02:19:19.280 what the floodplain 02:19:19.280 --> 02:19:23.700 currently is based on FEMA maps and how the map is the 02:19:23.700 --> 02:19:25.520 floodplain is going to be 02:19:25.520 --> 02:19:31.120 after the after the reclamation work currently the unde 02:19:31.120 --> 02:19:32.440 veloped floodplain 02:19:32.440 --> 02:19:36.020 which is the southern half of the property is approximately 02:19:36.020 --> 02:19:38.120 300,000 square 02:19:38.120 --> 02:19:43.399 feet after the reclamation is done that footprints going to 02:19:43.399 --> 02:19:44.479 be reduced to 02:19:44.479 --> 02:19:47.659 hundred thirty nine thousand which is a different of 02:19:47.659 --> 02:19:48.840 approximately three point 02:19:48.840 --> 02:19:56.350 nine acres all together the applicant have proposed a 02:19:56.350 --> 02:19:58.000 series of mitigation to 02:19:58.000 --> 02:20:02.600 offset for the encroachment that they will be making on the 02:20:02.600 --> 02:20:03.200 undeveloped 02:20:03.200 --> 02:20:08.309 floodplain one of them is as we discussed is just to locate 02:20:08.309 --> 02:20:09.159 all feel 02:20:09.159 --> 02:20:13.090 outside the repair and buffer and on the outer edges of the 02:20:13.090 --> 02:20:14.479 existing drip lines 02:20:14.479 --> 02:20:19.899 for existing three sorry trees grading will be concentrated 02:20:19.899 --> 02:20:21.159 on the northern 02:20:21.159 --> 02:20:26.590 section of the lot where the floodplain is considered to be 02:20:26.590 --> 02:20:27.680 developed and having 02:20:27.680 --> 02:20:32.899 reduced ecological value and habitat value as well as where 02:20:32.899 --> 02:20:34.040 the repair and 02:20:34.040 --> 02:20:38.200 buffer has already been removed so they are trying to 02:20:38.200 --> 02:20:41.000 impact the less amount on 02:20:41.000 --> 02:20:45.379 the habitat that is further located further south the 02:20:45.379 --> 02:20:47.360 street layout minimizes 02:20:47.360 --> 02:20:50.139 the disturbances as that main corridor would be actually 02:20:50.139 --> 02:20:51.159 placed on the north 02:20:51.159 --> 02:20:55.500 side they are proposing to go in and remove invasive 02:20:55.500 --> 02:20:57.200 species present within 02:20:57.200 --> 02:21:00.469 the floodplain and repair and buffer and re vegetate we 02:21:00.469 --> 02:21:02.319 need a species we're not 02:21:02.319 --> 02:21:04.959 only talking about trees but we're also looking into herv 02:21:04.959 --> 02:21:07.639 aceous material and the 02:21:07.639 --> 02:21:12.290 channel that would be run through that spine will actually 02:21:12.290 --> 02:21:14.879 be kept earthen as 02:21:14.879 --> 02:21:20.799 Haley mentioned the amount of lots that they will be 02:21:20.799 --> 02:21:23.559 building is considerably 02:21:23.559 --> 02:21:26.739 less than what the maximum zoning allows them to do 02:21:26.739 --> 02:21:28.520 therefore reducing the amount 02:21:28.520 --> 02:21:35.010 of potential runoff coming through those a lot and at this 02:21:35.010 --> 02:21:37.000 point if you don't 02:21:37.000 --> 02:21:40.239 have any questions for me on the ESA matter I will 02:21:40.239 --> 02:21:41.639 transition back to Haley 02:21:41.639 --> 02:21:44.940 about the notification process and the percentage of 02:21:44.940 --> 02:21:46.840 opposition I think we're 02:21:46.840 --> 02:21:49.399 good things ever 02:21:54.559 --> 02:21:57.030 all right so to kind of wrap up here I wanted to review 02:21:57.030 --> 02:22:00.520 notifications for this 02:22:00.520 --> 02:22:02.600 did follow our zoning procedure so we did all the same 02:22:02.600 --> 02:22:03.520 notices that we would 02:22:03.520 --> 02:22:07.450 for a rezoning case which included the ad in the newspaper 02:22:07.450 --> 02:22:08.799 sign posting on the 02:22:08.799 --> 02:22:12.260 property as well as mailed notices with the 200 and 500 02:22:12.260 --> 02:22:13.280 foot buffer we did 02:22:13.280 --> 02:22:15.739 receive a few responses in writing to that you received 02:22:15.739 --> 02:22:16.559 some of those right 02:22:16.559 --> 02:22:16.559 before the work session this evening so there has been some 02:22:16.559 --> 02:22:20.799 opposition to the 02:22:20.799 --> 02:22:23.620 case primarily the concerns I've heard expressed related to 02:22:23.620 --> 02:22:24.600 the preservation of 02:22:24.600 --> 02:22:27.360 trees and concerns about drainage and some concerns that 02:22:27.360 --> 02:22:28.299 drainage could be 02:22:28.299 --> 02:22:31.479 backed up into the Regency Court area the applicant did 02:22:31.479 --> 02:22:32.520 hold a neighborhood 02:22:32.520 --> 02:22:36.020 meeting however and discussed a lot of this extensively and 02:22:36.020 --> 02:22:37.000 so they could speak 02:22:37.000 --> 02:22:39.180 a little bit more to how that meeting went but those were 02:22:39.180 --> 02:22:40.040 some of the primary 02:22:40.040 --> 02:22:43.309 concerns that I heard at that meeting so staff is 02:22:43.309 --> 02:22:45.280 recommending approval of the 02:22:45.280 --> 02:22:48.469 request with a few conditions the first condition being 02:22:48.469 --> 02:22:49.520 that disturbance of the 02:22:49.520 --> 02:22:54.629 ESA not exceed fill in excess of 190 thousand 450 square 02:22:54.629 --> 02:22:55.360 feet within the 02:22:55.360 --> 02:22:59.540 undeveloped floodplain second that invasive species within 02:22:59.540 --> 02:23:00.559 the ES areas be 02:23:00.559 --> 02:23:03.739 removed as the applicant is proposed third being that 02:23:03.739 --> 02:23:05.040 plants installed as part 02:23:05.040 --> 02:23:08.969 of the proposed native flora revegetation be installed and 02:23:08.969 --> 02:23:09.479 maintained by 02:23:09.479 --> 02:23:11.950 the current property owner and developer for a period of 02:23:11.950 --> 02:23:12.879 three years following 02:23:12.879 --> 02:23:16.159 their installation any time any plants that are removed 02:23:16.159 --> 02:23:17.200 destroyed or die within 02:23:17.200 --> 02:23:19.639 that three-year period should be required to be replaced by 02:23:19.639 --> 02:23:20.120 that current 02:23:20.120 --> 02:23:22.850 property owner and developer and then finally that 02:23:22.850 --> 02:23:24.319 following what the applicant 02:23:24.319 --> 02:23:26.790 has proposed no encroachment shall occur in the areas 02:23:26.790 --> 02:23:27.879 designated as riparian 02:23:27.879 --> 02:23:31.149 buffer ESA and with that I'd be happy to address any other 02:23:31.149 --> 02:23:31.760 questions you might 02:23:31.760 --> 02:23:33.959 have 02:23:34.520 --> 02:23:39.120 Christopher thank you chair Haley earlier I asked you if 02:23:39.120 --> 02:23:40.399 you would there was a 48 02:23:40.399 --> 02:23:44.739 inch storm drain would you show where that is it's gonna 02:23:44.739 --> 02:23:46.360 come out certainly so 02:23:46.360 --> 02:23:48.989 as part of this development to the east there was a storm 02:23:48.989 --> 02:23:49.920 drain stub to this 02:23:49.920 --> 02:23:54.079 point so that 48 inch pipe would be extended across the 02:23:54.079 --> 02:23:55.200 property under Meadow 02:23:55.200 --> 02:23:57.979 lands drive out falling here you can see there is a eas 02:23:57.979 --> 02:23:59.680 ement here for that to 02:23:59.680 --> 02:24:02.280 outfall into the floodplain and into the creek where it is 02:24:02.280 --> 02:24:03.239 intended and required 02:24:03.239 --> 02:24:07.200 by code to outfall okay so it'll remain a 48 inch concrete 02:24:07.200 --> 02:24:08.200 correct they'll be 02:24:08.200 --> 02:24:12.030 extending that existing 48 inch line okay I have a question 02:24:12.030 --> 02:24:12.799 for the app you 02:24:12.799 --> 02:24:15.270 know when comes out about the outlet I won't ask you about 02:24:15.270 --> 02:24:16.600 that though so thank you yes 02:24:16.600 --> 02:24:19.069 yes and the applicant is here and able to address any other 02:24:19.069 --> 02:24:19.799 concerns you may 02:24:19.799 --> 02:24:24.760 have I think that's it speaking of the applicant we do have 02:24:24.760 --> 02:24:25.520 a card for the 02:24:25.520 --> 02:24:31.200 applicant Lee Allison mr. Austin you have ten minutes or if 02:24:31.200 --> 02:24:32.799 you in Lance wanted 02:24:32.799 --> 02:24:35.579 to speak you would have a combined 20 minutes one 02:24:35.579 --> 02:24:37.399 clarification is I 02:24:37.399 --> 02:24:40.020 understood it if we have two people to speak we have a full 02:24:40.020 --> 02:24:41.120 20 minutes and we 02:24:41.120 --> 02:24:44.299 can divide it between ourselves any way we like that's fine 02:24:44.299 --> 02:24:45.319 mistaken that is 02:24:45.319 --> 02:24:49.209 that that is correct Haley's got me up but I got to figure 02:24:49.209 --> 02:24:51.319 out how to maximize 02:24:51.319 --> 02:25:00.879 this group that wasn't it pardon just like this one that's 02:25:00.879 --> 02:25:01.639 a funny looking 02:25:01.639 --> 02:25:05.739 icon good evening my name is Lee Allison with Allison 02:25:05.739 --> 02:25:07.399 engineering group once me 02:25:07.399 --> 02:25:11.329 this evening is Lance Holdorf our project manager Kent Key 02:25:11.329 --> 02:25:12.280 is the primary 02:25:12.280 --> 02:25:15.500 representative he extends his apologies but he had another 02:25:15.500 --> 02:25:16.319 engagement and 02:25:16.319 --> 02:25:21.750 thought we could handle this this evening the site 02:25:21.750 --> 02:25:23.120 generally the staff 02:25:23.120 --> 02:25:27.559 gave a good site location map what I'd like to point out on 02:25:27.559 --> 02:25:29.000 this while I'm here 02:25:29.000 --> 02:25:33.010 is that we are trying to transition from a very nice 02:25:33.010 --> 02:25:35.079 development here of good 02:25:35.079 --> 02:25:39.600 size lots of a state type development here very large lots 02:25:39.600 --> 02:25:42.040 into an nr3 zoning 02:25:42.040 --> 02:25:44.799 over here which has your typical lots that you see in the 02:25:44.799 --> 02:25:45.760 city so part of our 02:25:45.760 --> 02:25:49.180 idea was to work with that that stream as you can see comes 02:25:49.180 --> 02:25:50.280 through here where 02:25:50.280 --> 02:25:53.860 this tree line is and the stream buffer is there's a gravel 02:25:53.860 --> 02:25:54.959 road that goes to 02:25:54.959 --> 02:25:57.559 the back now already crossing the stream with culverts and 02:25:57.559 --> 02:25:58.559 goes to an existing 02:25:58.559 --> 02:26:03.319 home as mentioned before we rezoned this a couple of years 02:26:03.319 --> 02:26:04.879 ago at that time we 02:26:04.879 --> 02:26:08.299 were looking at going to an alternative the essay this 02:26:08.299 --> 02:26:09.840 particular zoning is 02:26:09.840 --> 02:26:13.450 backwards because you've got the high density zoning close 02:26:13.450 --> 02:26:14.520 to the larger lots 02:26:14.520 --> 02:26:18.559 and the low density zoning against where the nr3 was so we 02:26:18.559 --> 02:26:19.600 wanted to you know 02:26:19.600 --> 02:26:22.940 make this more uniform and we did that with the rezoning 02:26:22.940 --> 02:26:24.120 process trying to 02:26:24.120 --> 02:26:27.909 work the essay we had the essay going at the same time but 02:26:27.909 --> 02:26:29.319 we got caught into the 02:26:29.319 --> 02:26:34.200 chicken or egg to have an ESA you also have to have a plat 02:26:34.200 --> 02:26:35.799 already approved but 02:26:35.799 --> 02:26:37.530 how do you know how you're going to plant a property if you 02:26:37.530 --> 02:26:38.040 don't know if 02:26:38.040 --> 02:26:40.360 you're going to get the ESA or not and then to get the plat 02:26:40.360 --> 02:26:41.020 we had to have a 02:26:41.020 --> 02:26:45.090 clomer so we've spent a lot longer on this than we should 02:26:45.090 --> 02:26:46.680 have to help 02:26:46.680 --> 02:26:50.510 identify the ESA's we've prepared this exhibit the dark 02:26:50.510 --> 02:26:51.719 green lines on the 02:26:51.719 --> 02:26:55.670 outer side that's where the mapped floodplain is today this 02:26:55.670 --> 02:26:56.479 is a zone a 02:26:56.479 --> 02:27:01.129 floodplain it has not been studied therefore those are a 02:27:01.129 --> 02:27:02.680 bit subjective as 02:27:02.680 --> 02:27:05.860 to where those lines really are the blue air lines are 02:27:05.860 --> 02:27:07.239 where we're shrinking it 02:27:07.239 --> 02:27:11.200 to through the studies and the activities and the pink is 02:27:11.200 --> 02:27:12.159 showing where 02:27:12.159 --> 02:27:16.090 the stream buffer ESA is this is one ESA we have promised 02:27:16.090 --> 02:27:17.319 and all of our plans 02:27:17.319 --> 02:27:21.329 show we are absolutely not getting into except for this one 02:27:21.329 --> 02:27:22.639 little area right 02:27:22.639 --> 02:27:26.920 here this line on here is from the preliminary plat it's 02:27:26.920 --> 02:27:28.159 not a line we put 02:27:28.159 --> 02:27:32.280 on there this was established when this drainage was 02:27:32.280 --> 02:27:34.239 created in this storm sewer 02:27:34.239 --> 02:27:37.739 was established to bring this drainage all the way to the 02:27:37.739 --> 02:27:39.079 center of the stream 02:27:39.079 --> 02:27:41.879 and beyond so there's already an easement for that purpose 02:27:41.879 --> 02:27:42.920 there we are 02:27:42.920 --> 02:27:46.350 stopping our physical pipe here and transitioning from here 02:27:46.350 --> 02:27:47.840 into the channel 02:27:47.840 --> 02:27:51.979 so that when this does hit full force we're able to avoid 02:27:51.979 --> 02:27:53.479 the erosion issues 02:27:53.479 --> 02:27:56.659 with tearing that channel out but this shows the 50 foot 02:27:56.659 --> 02:27:58.520 stream buffer it takes 02:27:58.520 --> 02:28:02.920 up 52,000 square feet then we have the undeveloped flood 02:28:02.920 --> 02:28:04.280 plain which is all the 02:28:04.280 --> 02:28:10.090 green area 298,800 but that's inclusive of the stream 02:28:10.090 --> 02:28:11.440 buffer and yes we are 02:28:11.440 --> 02:28:15.959 encroaching upon this then we have the developed floodplain 02:28:15.959 --> 02:28:17.399 which is the blue 02:28:17.399 --> 02:28:21.000 area another 85,000 square feet and to answer one of your 02:28:21.000 --> 02:28:22.440 questions previously 02:28:22.440 --> 02:28:27.129 mr. Beck we're allowed to cross streams with roads and 02:28:27.129 --> 02:28:28.799 utilities at a reasonable 02:28:28.799 --> 02:28:32.280 number of locations doesn't matter if it's developed or 02:28:32.280 --> 02:28:32.840 undeveloped course 02:28:32.840 --> 02:28:35.770 FEMA doesn't recognize develop or undeveloped floodplain it 02:28:35.770 --> 02:28:36.319 's just flood 02:28:36.319 --> 02:28:39.500 plain and that's just part of the development development 02:28:39.500 --> 02:28:40.319 allowances that 02:28:40.319 --> 02:28:43.620 that we're capable of doing there was already a crossing 02:28:43.620 --> 02:28:44.319 here and we 02:28:44.319 --> 02:28:46.799 purposely brought the route up here to be within the 02:28:46.799 --> 02:28:48.200 developed floodplain for 02:28:48.200 --> 02:28:51.379 our crossing that was one of our considerations plus there 02:28:51.379 --> 02:28:52.040 's already a 02:28:52.040 --> 02:28:57.469 gravel road there this is all the combined existing ESA's 02:28:57.469 --> 02:28:58.559 on top of the 02:28:58.559 --> 02:29:05.510 map then we have the proposed ESA's with these gray areas 02:29:05.510 --> 02:29:06.600 the dark gray the 02:29:06.600 --> 02:29:09.920 floodplain develop undeveloped floodplain area we're 02:29:09.920 --> 02:29:11.799 recovering and the lighter 02:29:11.799 --> 02:29:16.329 gray above it the developed floodplain interestingly enough 02:29:16.329 --> 02:29:17.639 and again mr. Beck 02:29:17.639 --> 02:29:23.229 a discussion we've had in the past per the city code and 02:29:23.229 --> 02:29:24.840 not FEMA but per the 02:29:24.840 --> 02:29:28.770 Denton Development Code if you were to imagine this whole 02:29:28.770 --> 02:29:31.079 floodplain was a lake 02:29:31.079 --> 02:29:35.600 only 15% of the storage of that lake is in the area we're 02:29:35.600 --> 02:29:37.799 recovering 85% of the 02:29:37.799 --> 02:29:40.750 storage is in the area that's there in the blue and the 02:29:40.750 --> 02:29:42.079 green and the pink and 02:29:42.079 --> 02:29:46.799 really that's only used up during the hundred-year storm 02:29:46.799 --> 02:29:48.280 our water quality 02:29:48.280 --> 02:29:51.649 storms are not much wider than the red line that goes down 02:29:51.649 --> 02:29:52.799 the middle of this 02:29:52.799 --> 02:29:55.979 area so for water quality purposes we're not having an 02:29:55.979 --> 02:29:58.159 impact for flood control 02:29:58.159 --> 02:30:01.840 purposes we're really not having an impact because by recon 02:30:01.840 --> 02:30:03.180 figuring the 02:30:03.180 --> 02:30:07.120 stream we're able to make it more efficient more effective 02:30:07.120 --> 02:30:08.000 and put that 02:30:08.000 --> 02:30:12.280 land into productive use linger on this for just a second 02:30:12.280 --> 02:30:13.559 we've tried to provide 02:30:13.559 --> 02:30:17.110 some dimensions just to give perspective for example this 02:30:17.110 --> 02:30:18.239 portion of the stream 02:30:18.239 --> 02:30:26.239 existing map is 474 feet wide at this location it's 411 and 02:30:26.239 --> 02:30:29.879 260 it varies we 02:30:29.879 --> 02:30:37.389 are coming down to 183 here 176 at this location and looks 02:30:37.389 --> 02:30:39.899 like I can't read 02:30:39.899 --> 02:30:44.520 117 at that location another thing well I'll go on to these 02:30:44.520 --> 02:30:45.760 other signs we did 02:30:45.760 --> 02:30:48.940 have a neighborhood meeting we use the same notification 02:30:48.940 --> 02:30:49.959 limits that the city 02:30:49.959 --> 02:30:53.489 does the 500 foot distance the first thing we're asked is 02:30:53.489 --> 02:30:54.040 you put in 02:30:54.040 --> 02:30:58.399 apartments or condominiums no it's single-family only I see 02:30:58.399 --> 02:30:58.600 there's 02:30:58.600 --> 02:31:01.780 probably another number of neighbors out here this evening 02:31:01.780 --> 02:31:02.360 they may have some 02:31:02.360 --> 02:31:04.969 concerns that were not mentioned at the meeting one 02:31:04.969 --> 02:31:07.360 discussion was traffic this 02:31:07.360 --> 02:31:11.110 was at the corner lot of metal lines in Belmont let me go 02:31:11.110 --> 02:31:11.879 back to this 02:31:11.879 --> 02:31:19.000 slide this lot in particular where am I this lot in 02:31:19.000 --> 02:31:21.159 particular because metals 02:31:21.159 --> 02:31:25.090 comes through in dead ends understand they didn't want more 02:31:25.090 --> 02:31:25.799 traffic coming 02:31:25.799 --> 02:31:28.979 through there but at the same time we are going with a much 02:31:28.979 --> 02:31:29.959 lower density so 02:31:29.959 --> 02:31:33.600 the traffic through here going from this direction out 02:31:33.600 --> 02:31:35.159 would be less yes there's 02:31:35.159 --> 02:31:37.840 people in this neighborhood that would come through but in 02:31:37.840 --> 02:31:38.840 accordance with the 02:31:38.840 --> 02:31:41.399 mobility plan and the fact this road is stubbed out in the 02:31:41.399 --> 02:31:42.200 drainage it was 02:31:42.200 --> 02:31:45.399 stubbed out to provide that connectivity so while I 02:31:45.399 --> 02:31:47.040 appreciate their dilemma 02:31:47.040 --> 02:31:52.469 that's just unfortunate misunderstood part of the 02:31:52.469 --> 02:31:54.120 development of the city but 02:31:54.120 --> 02:31:56.870 it's lower density and planned Street extension concerns 02:31:56.870 --> 02:31:58.760 about drainage the 02:31:58.760 --> 02:32:01.940 primary concern was are we backing water up into the Royal 02:32:01.940 --> 02:32:03.799 Oaks addition and the 02:32:03.799 --> 02:32:06.979 answer is both the Denton Development Code and FEMA 02:32:06.979 --> 02:32:08.239 guidelines do not allow us 02:32:08.239 --> 02:32:11.420 to do that we've done extensive studies and modeling to 02:32:11.420 --> 02:32:12.319 show we're not doing 02:32:12.319 --> 02:32:15.139 that and not only that we're actually opening up the area 02:32:15.139 --> 02:32:15.840 immediately 02:32:15.840 --> 02:32:19.100 downstream and removing some of the inundations in the 02:32:19.100 --> 02:32:20.239 stream that would 02:32:20.239 --> 02:32:24.170 cause it to back up so we're avoiding that we're opening it 02:32:24.170 --> 02:32:24.879 up tree 02:32:24.879 --> 02:32:27.450 preservation particularly along the north and east 02:32:27.450 --> 02:32:29.440 perimeter we're exceeding 02:32:29.440 --> 02:32:33.680 the city requirements for tree preservation I'll show you 02:32:33.680 --> 02:32:34.280 our tree 02:32:34.280 --> 02:32:37.799 mitigation plan later there's very few trees identified 02:32:37.799 --> 02:32:39.120 against there we think 02:32:39.120 --> 02:32:41.319 they're really on if you look at a map an aerial you can 02:32:41.319 --> 02:32:42.200 see them but we think 02:32:42.200 --> 02:32:44.370 they're on the neighbors properties not ours the surveyor 02:32:44.370 --> 02:32:46.200 didn't pick them up and 02:32:46.200 --> 02:32:48.909 at the same time we're matching great at those locations so 02:32:48.909 --> 02:32:49.760 we don't have any 02:32:49.760 --> 02:32:52.940 reason to go in there and tear them out the developer is 02:32:52.940 --> 02:32:54.079 actually importing 02:32:54.079 --> 02:32:58.010 eighty thousand cubic yards of dirt in here to help 02:32:58.010 --> 02:32:59.799 minimize the impact on 02:32:59.799 --> 02:33:03.309 trees in fact I got embarrassed in front of my staff 02:33:03.309 --> 02:33:04.520 because they had a grading 02:33:04.520 --> 02:33:06.989 plan with all this grading in it I said there's no way he 02:33:06.989 --> 02:33:08.440 'll ever pay that they 02:33:08.440 --> 02:33:11.370 show it to Kent and he says no I got 80,000 yards coming in 02:33:11.370 --> 02:33:11.959 let's see what we 02:33:11.959 --> 02:33:15.440 can do to save those trees so he's not going to go in there 02:33:15.440 --> 02:33:16.760 and arbitrarily 02:33:16.760 --> 02:33:19.219 take trees out after he's spending this kind of money to do 02:33:19.219 --> 02:33:20.000 what he can to help 02:33:20.000 --> 02:33:24.989 save trees generally a lower lot density the original 02:33:24.989 --> 02:33:25.879 zoning we could have a 02:33:25.879 --> 02:33:30.159 hundred and eleven lots the zoning that we got in place 02:33:30.159 --> 02:33:31.000 allows a hundred and 02:33:31.000 --> 02:33:34.639 twenty four lots but because we were looking at this ESA 02:33:34.639 --> 02:33:35.239 from the very 02:33:35.239 --> 02:33:40.680 beginning we suggested with P&Z and council a maximum of 78 02:33:40.680 --> 02:33:41.680 I don't know if 02:33:41.680 --> 02:33:44.569 staff has record of it but that was what was agreed to and 02:33:44.569 --> 02:33:45.760 we understand as part 02:33:45.760 --> 02:33:50.120 of the ordinance we're coming in at 73 if I were to convert 02:33:50.120 --> 02:33:51.159 that to a zoning 02:33:51.159 --> 02:33:56.139 category to be something like an NR 2.1 we could take two 02:33:56.139 --> 02:33:57.479 lots off and develop 02:33:57.479 --> 02:34:01.649 this under an NR 2 zoning and be fine we're larger lots 02:34:01.649 --> 02:34:03.159 ranging in size from 02:34:03.159 --> 02:34:08.590 10,000 to 24,000 an average of about 15,000 square feet 02:34:08.590 --> 02:34:09.920 continuation of the 02:34:09.920 --> 02:34:12.389 surrounding neighborhoods to the north and east 02:34:12.389 --> 02:34:13.840 transitioning to the west as 02:34:13.840 --> 02:34:17.770 I mentioned earlier we're removing invasive species and 02:34:17.770 --> 02:34:18.520 honestly that was 02:34:18.520 --> 02:34:21.799 not our idea Deborah brought that to our attention and said 02:34:21.799 --> 02:34:22.520 can you get in there 02:34:22.520 --> 02:34:25.489 and pull them out and we say whatever you say so we're 02:34:25.489 --> 02:34:26.280 getting in there to 02:34:26.280 --> 02:34:31.040 accomplish that we're going to revegetate with native flora 02:34:31.040 --> 02:34:32.680 and that's 02:34:32.680 --> 02:34:36.879 in the undeveloped flood plain we're doing an earth and 02:34:36.879 --> 02:34:37.959 channel in the 02:34:37.959 --> 02:34:40.569 under in the developed flood plain which the drainage 02:34:40.569 --> 02:34:41.920 department would rather we 02:34:41.920 --> 02:34:45.200 do concrete because it's easier for them to maintain so but 02:34:45.200 --> 02:34:46.799 we have chosen to do 02:34:46.799 --> 02:34:49.680 the earth and channel for those reasons and in there we're 02:34:49.680 --> 02:34:50.680 gonna go back with a 02:34:50.680 --> 02:34:53.969 native floor instead of Bermuda grass or something of that 02:34:53.969 --> 02:34:55.760 nature the proposed 02:34:55.760 --> 02:34:58.840 development be high quality development 02:34:58.840 --> 02:35:01.500 it wasn't 20 minutes you can continue I'm gonna make it 02:35:01.500 --> 02:35:03.239 quick I can improve the 02:35:03.239 --> 02:35:06.959 drainage area no adverse in strength impacts upstream or 02:35:06.959 --> 02:35:07.760 downstream not 02:35:07.760 --> 02:35:11.190 allowed by code or modeling this shows our two phases and 02:35:11.190 --> 02:35:12.360 how the roads will 02:35:12.360 --> 02:35:16.290 come together that help shows how the first phase is going 02:35:16.290 --> 02:35:17.399 to be done we will 02:35:17.399 --> 02:35:20.579 have a sewer line in this easement which we hope lines up 02:35:20.579 --> 02:35:21.520 with what we're gonna 02:35:21.520 --> 02:35:24.840 do in the future when we call this a temporary road it's 02:35:24.840 --> 02:35:25.639 gonna be an asphalt 02:35:25.639 --> 02:35:28.920 road we're gonna need to be able to get emergency vehicles 02:35:28.920 --> 02:35:30.280 construction vehicles 02:35:30.280 --> 02:35:32.930 for the subdivision and construction vehicles for the home 02:35:32.930 --> 02:35:33.719 this way instead 02:35:33.719 --> 02:35:36.559 of going all through this neighborhood all the time so we 02:35:36.559 --> 02:35:37.280 are doing that in 02:35:37.280 --> 02:35:41.600 fact we've got plans for a text on permit back to this one 02:35:41.600 --> 02:35:42.440 this line right 02:35:42.440 --> 02:35:47.549 here that is where we anticipate the text on is gonna ask 02:35:47.549 --> 02:35:48.799 for right away in 02:35:48.799 --> 02:35:52.379 that case we're gonna lose six lots through here and shift 02:35:52.379 --> 02:35:53.440 all this over that 02:35:53.440 --> 02:35:56.620 direction that's why we're waiting on this area for phase 02:35:56.620 --> 02:35:57.319 two to get all that 02:35:57.319 --> 02:36:02.260 worked out with the text on there's the tree mitigation 02:36:02.260 --> 02:36:03.719 plan the ones in green 02:36:03.719 --> 02:36:07.909 we're keeping the ones in red will go again I think there's 02:36:07.909 --> 02:36:09.120 trees up here that 02:36:09.120 --> 02:36:11.950 have been questioned about because there may be under six 02:36:11.950 --> 02:36:12.799 inches they weren't 02:36:12.799 --> 02:36:15.979 picked up on our survey or on the neighbors property line 02:36:15.979 --> 02:36:16.920 but again with 02:36:16.920 --> 02:36:22.180 us matching grade along here and here whoops here and here 02:36:22.180 --> 02:36:22.920 there's no real 02:36:22.920 --> 02:36:26.850 reason to expect that we would take any trees out and I 02:36:26.850 --> 02:36:28.120 hope you can see what 02:36:28.120 --> 02:36:30.680 the developers intentions he's not gonna go in there and 02:36:30.680 --> 02:36:31.959 arbitrarily take a tree 02:36:31.959 --> 02:36:38.219 out I cannot say answer your questions mr. Beck that were 02:36:38.219 --> 02:36:39.639 brought up during 02:36:39.639 --> 02:36:47.760 workshop I don't do invasive species removal on a daily 02:36:47.760 --> 02:36:49.760 basis but we have we 02:36:49.760 --> 02:36:53.049 are working with tree shepherds of Denton we want an expert 02:36:53.049 --> 02:36:53.840 in there and 02:36:53.840 --> 02:36:57.770 somebody who's local and local accountable accountability 02:36:57.770 --> 02:36:58.399 to help us 02:36:58.399 --> 02:37:01.579 find the right methods we're gonna have to balance the 02:37:01.579 --> 02:37:06.920 concerns between whatever 02:37:06.920 --> 02:37:10.100 materials are used to remove the privet with leaving the 02:37:10.100 --> 02:37:11.399 privet itself there I 02:37:11.399 --> 02:37:14.579 mean the city wants the privet out because it's its own 02:37:14.579 --> 02:37:16.520 issue privets do 02:37:16.520 --> 02:37:20.100 affect the flood carrying capability you block the channel 02:37:20.100 --> 02:37:21.360 with them so we think 02:37:21.360 --> 02:37:24.540 removing the privets will be a great thing to do but at the 02:37:24.540 --> 02:37:25.399 same time there 02:37:25.399 --> 02:37:29.329 are considerations we need to work on as we move forward as 02:37:29.329 --> 02:37:32.120 far as the endangered 02:37:32.120 --> 02:37:36.340 species we checked the report actually there was four not 02:37:36.340 --> 02:37:37.959 three might have been 02:37:37.959 --> 02:37:41.139 a number transfer because the study was done on four three 02:37:41.139 --> 02:37:42.120 two thousand and 02:37:42.120 --> 02:37:47.549 seventeen the four species are the least turn which is a 02:37:47.549 --> 02:37:50.040 bird not real common in 02:37:50.040 --> 02:37:52.739 this area but still it's been seen here occasionally and 02:37:52.739 --> 02:37:53.799 needed to be checked 02:37:53.799 --> 02:37:57.790 out the piping plover which is primarily a coastal or a 02:37:57.790 --> 02:37:59.479 beach bird when seen in 02:37:59.479 --> 02:38:02.420 these areas it's usually among lakes but because it's here 02:38:02.420 --> 02:38:03.360 they specifically 02:38:03.360 --> 02:38:06.680 looked at it the red knot which is another bird medium- 02:38:06.680 --> 02:38:07.639 sized another shore 02:38:07.639 --> 02:38:10.819 bird but again it's been here occasionally I mean we've 02:38:10.819 --> 02:38:11.200 seen bald 02:38:11.200 --> 02:38:14.059 Eagles up at Lake Ray Roberts so you got to watch for what 02:38:14.059 --> 02:38:15.000 's out here in the 02:38:15.000 --> 02:38:18.799 whooping crane the study looked at each one of those 02:38:18.799 --> 02:38:21.520 specifically to look for 02:38:21.520 --> 02:38:25.450 evidence of their being there they found none and those 02:38:25.450 --> 02:38:26.920 reports were signed off 02:38:26.920 --> 02:38:31.149 on by the appropriate authorities at the federal level so 02:38:31.149 --> 02:38:32.719 hard to take so long I 02:38:32.719 --> 02:38:35.520 realize this is a public hearing somebody now may not be 02:38:35.520 --> 02:38:36.200 the time for 02:38:36.200 --> 02:38:38.819 questions but I'll take them now or later it's your 02:38:38.819 --> 02:38:40.159 pleasure we got at least 02:38:40.159 --> 02:38:43.520 one commissioner back thank you chair thank you Lee I do 02:38:43.520 --> 02:38:44.239 appreciate your 02:38:44.239 --> 02:38:47.889 presentation and I respect the fact that that this has been 02:38:47.889 --> 02:38:49.600 a hassle for you yet 02:38:49.600 --> 02:38:52.780 nonetheless I think we're coming up with a product that you 02:38:52.780 --> 02:38:53.280 know please 02:38:53.280 --> 02:38:55.840 everybody I think you and I you know we tend to be on 02:38:55.840 --> 02:38:57.319 opposite sides but for the 02:38:57.319 --> 02:39:00.639 most part we both have the general public's concern in mind 02:39:00.639 --> 02:39:01.159 and I 02:39:01.159 --> 02:39:03.909 appreciate what you're doing here thank you for let me know 02:39:03.909 --> 02:39:04.959 what the species are 02:39:04.959 --> 02:39:08.239 they're all birds so they can easily elope to some other 02:39:08.239 --> 02:39:09.079 area where we're not 02:39:09.079 --> 02:39:11.559 dealing with ground creatures so I appreciate that I had a 02:39:11.559 --> 02:39:12.920 pretty good email 02:39:12.920 --> 02:39:17.680 conversation with your engineer you calling Lance okay 02:39:17.680 --> 02:39:18.760 Lawrence is okay 02:39:18.760 --> 02:39:24.399 so it's okay to call him Lance he indicated said one way we 02:39:24.399 --> 02:39:25.239 're trying to 02:39:25.239 --> 02:39:28.840 preserve the ecosystem is by relocating a part of the 02:39:28.840 --> 02:39:30.159 landscape to the yards now 02:39:30.159 --> 02:39:33.760 am I to take that that you're gonna take soil in the area 02:39:33.760 --> 02:39:35.520 and relocate it to for 02:39:35.520 --> 02:39:39.680 that filler you need up against the you mentioned 80,000 02:39:39.680 --> 02:39:41.520 square feet of importing 02:39:41.520 --> 02:39:44.879 80,000 square feet of film I thought no I can elaborate 02:39:44.879 --> 02:39:47.079 though okay is because 02:39:47.079 --> 02:39:50.670 we're going to larger lots we're not going to have near as 02:39:50.670 --> 02:39:51.840 much coverage on 02:39:51.840 --> 02:39:54.569 those lots as you would if we had the real small ones and 02:39:54.569 --> 02:39:55.639 packed everything 02:39:55.639 --> 02:40:02.129 in as a result the grass area that's on the edges of the 02:40:02.129 --> 02:40:03.879 floodplain that collects 02:40:03.879 --> 02:40:09.469 water coming from the sides does give it some amount of 02:40:09.469 --> 02:40:11.600 water quality treatment 02:40:11.600 --> 02:40:15.850 at the same time when we've got larger lots now that the 02:40:15.850 --> 02:40:17.360 rain falls off the 02:40:17.360 --> 02:40:20.000 roofs and goes into the yards etc it's gonna have more 02:40:20.000 --> 02:40:21.479 grass area there to 02:40:21.479 --> 02:40:24.350 accommodate the water quality so we'll be getting some 02:40:24.350 --> 02:40:25.479 water quality in the 02:40:25.479 --> 02:40:29.270 yards of these much larger lots that we would not happen if 02:40:29.270 --> 02:40:30.079 we went to your 02:40:30.079 --> 02:40:35.219 typical pack density subdivision okay okay you've got that 02:40:35.219 --> 02:40:36.040 big old pile of 02:40:36.040 --> 02:40:40.360 dirt over there that's probably about 20 feet wide about 12 02:40:40.360 --> 02:40:41.760 15 feet high and 02:40:41.760 --> 02:40:45.520 about 30 yes sir so is that gonna be part of is that gonna 02:40:45.520 --> 02:40:46.319 be spread out over 02:40:46.319 --> 02:40:50.250 the development that is 20,000 yards of the 80,000 we need 02:40:50.250 --> 02:40:50.959 to bring in okay 02:40:50.959 --> 02:40:56.389 there's more to come okay can you put your tree mitigation 02:40:56.389 --> 02:40:58.639 okay now I don't 02:40:58.639 --> 02:41:01.459 see and I know a lot of those trees for the invasive trees 02:41:01.459 --> 02:41:02.559 we're gonna get rid 02:41:02.559 --> 02:41:06.200 of but the road that's coming in metal lands that right now 02:41:06.200 --> 02:41:07.360 is that stream we 02:41:07.360 --> 02:41:10.940 were talking about that's gonna feed into Hickory Creek 02:41:10.940 --> 02:41:12.639 that's bordered with 02:41:12.639 --> 02:41:15.340 you know some pretty healthy trees so you didn't count 02:41:15.340 --> 02:41:16.479 those trees as part of 02:41:16.479 --> 02:41:20.270 the tree mitigation plan our surveyor went out and we've 02:41:20.270 --> 02:41:21.520 only shown trees that 02:41:21.520 --> 02:41:24.280 are six inches in diameter and larger so a lot of times 02:41:24.280 --> 02:41:25.479 when you see trees in a 02:41:25.479 --> 02:41:28.799 long row like that they'll be smaller trunk trees so they 02:41:28.799 --> 02:41:29.239 didn't necessarily 02:41:29.239 --> 02:41:35.979 qualify but again pardon me by doing this one doesn't show 02:41:35.979 --> 02:41:36.760 it as well but 02:41:36.760 --> 02:41:39.940 there's our ESA that we're totally staying out of so other 02:41:39.940 --> 02:41:40.680 trees in that 02:41:40.680 --> 02:41:43.969 area will be avoided and again we're doing minimal grading 02:41:43.969 --> 02:41:46.719 in this area so 02:41:46.719 --> 02:41:49.809 I was out looking and I don't disagree that probably most 02:41:49.809 --> 02:41:50.520 of those are six 02:41:50.520 --> 02:41:52.989 inches or less but there was there was a few that never 02:41:52.989 --> 02:41:55.049 greater than six inches so I was just curious about that 02:41:55.049 --> 02:41:55.200 and 02:41:55.200 --> 02:42:00.790 lastly the drainage that comes out there at metal lands how 02:42:00.790 --> 02:42:02.760 far set back from the 02:42:02.760 --> 02:42:07.629 riparian stream is that it's gonna is it set up to hit well 02:42:07.629 --> 02:42:09.079 we have put our 02:42:09.079 --> 02:42:13.129 easement right here so we're we're bringing that pipe out 02:42:13.129 --> 02:42:14.040 at the end and 02:42:14.040 --> 02:42:17.770 battling it so that we can put some riprap in here so we're 02:42:17.770 --> 02:42:18.639 I don't think 02:42:18.639 --> 02:42:21.110 we're I know we're not getting into the stream buffer 02:42:21.110 --> 02:42:23.000 itself okay we will get 02:42:23.000 --> 02:42:27.239 into that floodplain good good one concern I had and I was 02:42:27.239 --> 02:42:27.600 gonna mention 02:42:27.600 --> 02:42:31.729 in some respect or another is and I think what you're doing 02:42:31.729 --> 02:42:32.760 here is gonna 02:42:32.760 --> 02:42:36.260 preserve what we want to preserve you know it's 02:42:36.260 --> 02:42:38.440 disappointing to see that we 02:42:38.440 --> 02:42:41.620 lost that northern section of the floodplain and the rip 02:42:41.620 --> 02:42:42.559 arian buffer up 02:42:42.559 --> 02:42:46.840 there you know from work that was done previously you know 02:42:46.840 --> 02:42:47.760 shame on us back 02:42:47.760 --> 02:42:50.229 then whoever it was we're not paying a little bit more 02:42:50.229 --> 02:42:51.319 attention so every time 02:42:51.319 --> 02:42:55.770 we come in and alter an ESA like you're doing here but for 02:42:55.770 --> 02:42:56.959 the good you know I 02:42:56.959 --> 02:42:59.610 always worry about the risk it's gonna have later down the 02:42:59.610 --> 02:43:00.200 road will it 02:43:00.200 --> 02:43:03.020 diminish it that much more and from what I can tell what 02:43:03.020 --> 02:43:03.920 you're doing I think 02:43:03.920 --> 02:43:07.340 you're making every effort to make sure it doesn't but I 02:43:07.340 --> 02:43:09.040 just I say this openly 02:43:09.040 --> 02:43:12.010 because you are a developer and any developer that might be 02:43:12.010 --> 02:43:12.760 listening in 02:43:12.760 --> 02:43:16.700 that how their development can impact these these hoes down 02:43:16.700 --> 02:43:18.000 the road if we're 02:43:18.000 --> 02:43:20.969 paying attention to them we can we can develop in a way 02:43:20.969 --> 02:43:21.799 that it won't 02:43:21.799 --> 02:43:25.270 negatively impact them so thank you Lee relative to that we 02:43:25.270 --> 02:43:26.079 also took into 02:43:26.079 --> 02:43:30.440 consideration that probably a hundred feet or more off of 02:43:30.440 --> 02:43:32.360 here I remember the 02:43:32.360 --> 02:43:34.520 name of the road earlier but there's an arterial road that 02:43:34.520 --> 02:43:35.239 will be extended 02:43:35.239 --> 02:43:37.870 through here it's on the city master thoroughfare plan also 02:43:37.870 --> 02:43:38.520 there's a gas 02:43:38.520 --> 02:43:42.309 well down here you saw the few lights lots that are within 02:43:42.309 --> 02:43:43.799 that distance so I 02:43:43.799 --> 02:43:48.040 don't know that much can no no that you know but I think 02:43:48.040 --> 02:43:49.879 north of Ryan there's a 02:43:49.879 --> 02:43:55.309 street called Sanders or something like that it's well 02:43:55.309 --> 02:43:57.040 south of your development 02:43:57.040 --> 02:43:59.040 there 02:44:01.000 --> 02:44:04.180 my map isn't big enough yeah it's Sanders it's it's it's 02:44:04.180 --> 02:44:05.239 south of there 02:44:05.239 --> 02:44:08.600 right and that doesn't go all the way through into Forest 02:44:08.600 --> 02:44:10.159 Ridge like Ryan does 02:44:10.159 --> 02:44:15.200 but is is that an area well this it's El Paso I remember 02:44:15.200 --> 02:44:17.000 down this street is our 02:44:17.000 --> 02:44:20.180 collector Street identified on the master thoroughfare 02:44:20.180 --> 02:44:20.680 played to come 02:44:20.680 --> 02:44:25.790 through so a lot of the traffic that may be winding through 02:44:25.790 --> 02:44:27.280 here initially in the 02:44:27.280 --> 02:44:31.520 future will come down that's El Paso yes that's El Paso 02:44:31.520 --> 02:44:32.280 okay of course that's 02:44:32.280 --> 02:44:36.799 going to impact this floodplain and stream as well is that 02:44:36.799 --> 02:44:37.399 on our is that on 02:44:37.399 --> 02:44:40.920 our mobility plan yes it is okay thank you I usually keep 02:44:40.920 --> 02:44:42.120 ahead of that didn't 02:44:42.120 --> 02:44:46.639 catch it okay great thanks Lee thank you I don't see any 02:44:46.639 --> 02:44:47.399 other questions mr. 02:44:47.399 --> 02:44:51.329 Allison thank you I do have one card to speak but it is a 02:44:51.329 --> 02:44:51.979 public hearing so 02:44:51.979 --> 02:44:57.399 others more welcome to the card I have is for Jim speck 02:44:57.399 --> 02:44:58.700 feed to state your name 02:44:58.700 --> 02:45:02.799 and address for the record 02:45:03.120 --> 02:45:08.719 hi I'm Jim speck 400 Regency Court I represent the Regency 02:45:08.719 --> 02:45:09.760 Corps Regency Oaks 02:45:09.760 --> 02:45:12.940 homeowners Association we're the homeowners Association 02:45:12.940 --> 02:45:13.879 that's just north 02:45:13.879 --> 02:45:17.549 of the proposed development as a whole well first I'd like 02:45:17.549 --> 02:45:18.540 to speak to the 02:45:18.540 --> 02:45:21.760 notices that was sent out only the homes that were along 02:45:21.760 --> 02:45:23.520 the south side of our 02:45:23.520 --> 02:45:26.700 community got any kind of notification nobody else within 02:45:26.700 --> 02:45:28.159 the 500 got any kind 02:45:28.159 --> 02:45:30.750 of communication so our reason why I even found out about 02:45:30.750 --> 02:45:31.360 it is because of 02:45:31.360 --> 02:45:34.540 one of the other neighbors spoke as a whole we're not 02:45:34.540 --> 02:45:35.239 opposed to the 02:45:35.239 --> 02:45:39.500 development what we are opposed to is the small opening 02:45:39.500 --> 02:45:41.159 that they have for the 02:45:41.159 --> 02:45:44.790 drainage we just don't feel that that's going to be enough 02:45:44.790 --> 02:45:45.639 it really needs to be 02:45:45.639 --> 02:45:49.430 at least half the size of the floodplain the one that is on 02:45:49.430 --> 02:45:50.799 our side is that way 02:45:50.799 --> 02:46:00.209 I have some pictures of it so ours is more open than what 02:46:00.209 --> 02:46:02.399 they have proposed 02:46:02.399 --> 02:46:04.920 and we're afraid it's gonna be a bottleneck if you look 02:46:04.920 --> 02:46:05.680 back on theirs 02:46:05.680 --> 02:46:10.899 you're gonna see that it's gonna basically right there we 02:46:10.899 --> 02:46:11.479 're just gonna 02:46:11.479 --> 02:46:16.260 bottleneck that it's gonna back up everything upstream I 02:46:16.260 --> 02:46:17.200 understand what 02:46:17.200 --> 02:46:19.930 mr. Lee was saying about you know the studies they've done 02:46:19.930 --> 02:46:20.639 or whatever but I 02:46:20.639 --> 02:46:24.430 live next door to it so I see it it's not a fair stream 02:46:24.430 --> 02:46:26.159 when it rains all that 02:46:26.159 --> 02:46:29.340 torrential rain that we get that that stream will rise 02:46:29.340 --> 02:46:30.600 almost up to the top of 02:46:30.600 --> 02:46:33.950 the picture that I just showed you guys so it's almost like 02:46:33.950 --> 02:46:34.879 the around it in 02:46:34.879 --> 02:46:37.350 high school and everything you guys have seen those cement 02:46:37.350 --> 02:46:38.360 things fill up that's 02:46:38.360 --> 02:46:41.940 the way it is if they put that small opening in there it's 02:46:41.940 --> 02:46:43.280 just gonna back up 02:46:43.280 --> 02:46:46.129 into our neighborhood and you know back upstream and all 02:46:46.129 --> 02:46:47.159 the way up back up to 02:46:47.159 --> 02:46:49.780 Hobson so that's our biggest concern so I'll invite the 02:46:49.780 --> 02:46:51.040 applicant to speak but 02:46:51.040 --> 02:46:55.239 before that Mr. Beck do you have a question? I do. Mr. Beck 02:46:55.239 --> 02:46:56.159 can you as best 02:46:56.159 --> 02:46:58.829 you can kind of pinpoint where you're talking about where 02:46:58.829 --> 02:46:59.719 that culvert is on 02:46:59.719 --> 02:47:03.170 your side of this development? Basically where this and 02:47:03.170 --> 02:47:04.479 that's another reason 02:47:04.479 --> 02:47:07.909 where these two homes are right here the floodplain splits 02:47:07.909 --> 02:47:09.280 these two homes and our 02:47:09.280 --> 02:47:12.780 bridge is basically right up here and as mr. Lee showed you 02:47:12.780 --> 02:47:13.920 I don't have a thing 02:47:13.920 --> 02:47:17.520 but we have you know one acre two acre lots so it's a wide 02:47:17.520 --> 02:47:18.639 area on our side 02:47:18.639 --> 02:47:21.100 that all that water is going to come down and basically you 02:47:21.100 --> 02:47:21.680 look on theirs 02:47:21.680 --> 02:47:24.610 they're trying to shrink the floodplain a little bit which 02:47:24.610 --> 02:47:25.600 I don't have a problem 02:47:25.600 --> 02:47:28.459 with that as long as they make the water go but where that 02:47:28.459 --> 02:47:30.159 road is it's got to be 02:47:30.159 --> 02:47:33.340 a wide opening otherwise it's just gonna back up into us. 02:47:33.340 --> 02:47:35.280 Can we get Lee Allison 02:47:35.280 --> 02:47:45.030 to come back down and address that? Good evening we've 02:47:45.030 --> 02:47:48.159 actually got four or five 02:47:48.159 --> 02:47:52.090 foot by ten foot box culverts planned there. Scale of the 02:47:52.090 --> 02:47:53.040 drawing may look it's 02:47:53.040 --> 02:47:56.420 make it look smaller but we've actually got a larger cross- 02:47:56.420 --> 02:47:57.479 sectional opening in 02:47:57.479 --> 02:48:00.659 our culverts than is what is upstream. We have the designs 02:48:00.659 --> 02:48:01.760 and the model of those 02:48:01.760 --> 02:48:05.690 and we looked at them very closely and then of course did 02:48:05.690 --> 02:48:07.159 the analysis here to 02:48:07.159 --> 02:48:09.809 make sure that would not over top those. We've turned that 02:48:09.809 --> 02:48:10.799 into the city those 02:48:10.799 --> 02:48:14.020 models have been analyzed by the city they've also been 02:48:14.020 --> 02:48:15.440 analyzed by FEMA and 02:48:15.440 --> 02:48:18.959 they have asked us to turn in the sign seal drawings to 02:48:18.959 --> 02:48:20.479 FEMA. They've accepted 02:48:20.479 --> 02:48:26.670 that model as well so that culvert that gentleman's 02:48:26.670 --> 02:48:28.280 referring to is probably 02:48:28.280 --> 02:48:31.739 about 200 feet away because it's under the road up here at 02:48:31.739 --> 02:48:33.600 Regency Court and 02:48:33.600 --> 02:48:37.229 granted these are large homes and it's a pretty wide open 02:48:37.229 --> 02:48:40.120 channel and I'm very 02:48:40.120 --> 02:48:42.760 confident that we're... So you can leave Mr. Speck's 02:48:42.760 --> 02:48:45.479 concern about bottle making and 02:48:45.479 --> 02:48:52.049 also we sized our culverts per the city criteria to 02:48:52.049 --> 02:48:54.040 accommodate the 100 year 02:48:54.040 --> 02:48:58.260 storm when all of the drainage area upstream is fully 02:48:58.260 --> 02:48:59.840 developed per city 02:48:59.840 --> 02:49:03.479 zoning and requirements so we've got it much larger we 02:49:03.479 --> 02:49:05.559 believe than it needs to 02:49:05.559 --> 02:49:08.739 be there and our culvert types well they've got box cul 02:49:08.739 --> 02:49:10.559 verts as well. 02:49:10.559 --> 02:49:17.559 Also we put theirs in the model as long as ours. How wide? 02:49:17.559 --> 02:49:19.639 410 foot that's at least 40 02:49:19.639 --> 02:49:24.079 feet wide. It's just the scale of the drawings it's a 02:49:24.079 --> 02:49:25.479 understandable concern 02:49:25.479 --> 02:49:29.829 and without seeing our detailed drawings I could look at 02:49:29.829 --> 02:49:31.159 that and that probably 02:49:31.159 --> 02:49:36.120 come to the same conclusion. Thank you. Thank you both. 02:49:36.120 --> 02:49:37.639 This is a public 02:49:37.639 --> 02:49:41.709 hearing anyone wishing to speak on the item can certainly 02:49:41.709 --> 02:49:46.239 do so. Sir. If you just fill out a 02:49:46.239 --> 02:49:49.739 card after speaking and then state your name and address 02:49:49.739 --> 02:49:51.479 for the record. Rick 02:49:51.479 --> 02:49:56.909 Wisenhunt and my address is 3306 Belmont and I on the tree 02:49:56.909 --> 02:49:57.920 mitigation I just don't 02:49:57.920 --> 02:50:01.709 I don't understand I guess so I'm trying to figure out does 02:50:01.709 --> 02:50:02.479 that mean that the 02:50:02.479 --> 02:50:05.139 trees it looked like almost all the trees are coming out is 02:50:05.139 --> 02:50:05.760 that what's going 02:50:05.760 --> 02:50:09.579 on is that what we're talking about? Mr. Alston can you 02:50:09.579 --> 02:50:11.120 speak to the tree 02:50:11.120 --> 02:50:23.829 mitigation? Per the drawing and if I can get it back up the 02:50:23.829 --> 02:50:24.840 trees identified 02:50:24.840 --> 02:50:27.540 here both red and green are all the trees the survey are 02:50:27.540 --> 02:50:28.600 identified that are 02:50:28.600 --> 02:50:32.969 six inches in diameter and larger. The green trees will be 02:50:32.969 --> 02:50:35.000 preserved and the 02:50:35.000 --> 02:50:39.549 red trees are scheduled to come out. If for some reason 02:50:39.549 --> 02:50:41.100 during grading we can 02:50:41.100 --> 02:50:43.879 preserve one we certainly will but those are scheduled to 02:50:43.879 --> 02:50:45.879 come out and this I 02:50:45.879 --> 02:50:49.809 don't have the exact number but this significantly or 02:50:49.809 --> 02:50:51.299 notably exceeds the 02:50:51.299 --> 02:50:54.450 city's minimum requirements for tree preservation. We're 02:50:54.450 --> 02:50:55.079 not having to 02:50:55.079 --> 02:50:58.329 mitigate any trees we're able to meet the preservation 02:50:58.329 --> 02:50:59.959 requirements. It looks 02:50:59.959 --> 02:51:03.139 like they're all congested in one area I mean the ones that 02:51:03.139 --> 02:51:04.200 are not along this 02:51:04.200 --> 02:51:07.879 entire side and along the side that we're on all the trees 02:51:07.879 --> 02:51:08.520 are coming out it 02:51:08.520 --> 02:51:12.120 looks like and I'm concerned about that both from aesthet 02:51:12.120 --> 02:51:13.079 ically but I'm also 02:51:13.079 --> 02:51:20.590 concerned about it in terms of any kind of water direction. 02:51:20.590 --> 02:51:22.959 All the water is 02:51:22.959 --> 02:51:26.110 going to drain towards the stream from either side it's not 02:51:26.110 --> 02:51:26.520 going to go back 02:51:26.520 --> 02:51:31.360 towards the lots. This has to do with the grading some of 02:51:31.360 --> 02:51:32.079 these are coming out 02:51:32.079 --> 02:51:35.780 because they're gonna end up being in TexDOT right away and 02:51:35.780 --> 02:51:37.280 as these houses 02:51:37.280 --> 02:51:42.709 are moved in the future and this is regraded is we haven't 02:51:42.709 --> 02:51:43.879 upfront identified 02:51:43.879 --> 02:51:49.000 a way to preserve and save those particular trees. 02:51:49.000 --> 02:51:50.079 Obviously when you got 02:51:50.079 --> 02:51:57.159 some in the middle of the street we can't save those and 02:51:57.159 --> 02:51:58.680 and this is going 02:51:58.680 --> 02:52:01.319 to save more. I guess another thing back to your question 02:52:01.319 --> 02:52:02.760 Mr. Beck in the 02:52:02.760 --> 02:52:13.549 workshop. Oh I wasn't thinking about the TV sorry. You know 02:52:13.549 --> 02:52:15.360 if if we were to 02:52:15.360 --> 02:52:22.309 develop and not get the ESA one consideration would be to 02:52:22.309 --> 02:52:23.639 not grade 02:52:23.639 --> 02:52:27.020 bring in dirt to save trees to cut the lots in half so we 02:52:27.020 --> 02:52:28.239 could double the 02:52:28.239 --> 02:52:30.799 number of lots and get it all in there so I mean from 02:52:30.799 --> 02:52:32.219 economic and Mr. Key is 02:52:32.219 --> 02:52:35.399 not that type of person but from economic perspective he 02:52:35.399 --> 02:52:36.719 could jam lots 02:52:36.719 --> 02:52:40.270 in here and get rid of those trees and not touch the flood 02:52:40.270 --> 02:52:41.600 plain at all and meet 02:52:41.600 --> 02:52:44.780 the counts even with the old zoning. So you're saying the 02:52:44.780 --> 02:52:47.000 if I may chair that 02:52:47.000 --> 02:52:53.899 all the green trees that are staying meet the minimum tree 02:52:53.899 --> 02:52:53.920 per tree 02:52:53.920 --> 02:52:57.209 preservation requirement or the mitigation? Yes if I 02:52:57.209 --> 02:52:58.440 remember correctly 02:52:58.440 --> 02:53:04.030 we're required to save or mitigate 25% of the trees and we 02:53:04.030 --> 02:53:06.040 could mitigate 12 02:53:06.040 --> 02:53:09.559 and a half percent but we're able to save I want to say 35- 02:53:09.559 --> 02:53:11.600 40% we're above 02:53:11.600 --> 02:53:15.559 the 25%. These red ones you're removing are some of these 02:53:15.559 --> 02:53:17.239 heritage and native 02:53:17.239 --> 02:53:22.940 trees? Our tree preservation plans typically go in with 02:53:22.940 --> 02:53:23.680 their plants and I 02:53:23.680 --> 02:53:27.610 don't have that information. I mean there's always 02:53:27.610 --> 02:53:28.959 unfortunately some 02:53:28.959 --> 02:53:32.639 pecans and nouns and not just hackberries and mesquites. 02:53:32.639 --> 02:53:33.559 But they're 02:53:33.559 --> 02:53:36.739 all the red ones or six inches in diameter or bigger? Yes 02:53:36.739 --> 02:53:37.639 all of the trees 02:53:37.639 --> 02:53:40.840 on this side are six inches in diameter and larger. Okay 02:53:40.840 --> 02:53:43.120 now as you build the 02:53:43.120 --> 02:53:47.440 homes there will you be putting trees in? Oh definitely 02:53:47.440 --> 02:53:48.440 that's part of the city 02:53:48.440 --> 02:53:52.709 code requirement street trees and residential trees. How 02:53:52.709 --> 02:53:53.479 many trees would 02:53:53.479 --> 02:53:58.899 you say per lot would you be? Two to three including the 02:53:58.899 --> 02:54:01.360 street tree? 02:54:03.000 --> 02:54:05.770 I expect these lots are definitely gonna have two trees per 02:54:05.770 --> 02:54:06.920 lot for the street 02:54:06.920 --> 02:54:10.909 trees and I expect there'll be two trees or so planted on 02:54:10.909 --> 02:54:12.760 each yard. You need to 02:54:12.760 --> 02:54:16.360 get the house plans. One thing we're not doing is we're not 02:54:16.360 --> 02:54:17.520 overgrading a lot of 02:54:17.520 --> 02:54:21.690 the lots so that Kent can come in with a custom home or 02:54:21.690 --> 02:54:22.879 whoever builder comes in 02:54:22.879 --> 02:54:26.680 with a custom home instead of building a big square pad 02:54:26.680 --> 02:54:28.079 just build a pad that 02:54:28.079 --> 02:54:30.159 meets the house and if you can save a tree you have more 02:54:30.159 --> 02:54:31.020 opportunity to do 02:54:31.020 --> 02:54:33.879 that. I wonder if I could ask too and I was gonna mention 02:54:33.879 --> 02:54:34.959 this at the end of our 02:54:34.959 --> 02:54:37.909 meeting but when you put your tree protection fence up that 02:54:37.909 --> 02:54:38.600 orange fence 02:54:38.600 --> 02:54:42.010 yes any chance you could put that out at the drip line so 02:54:42.010 --> 02:54:43.440 you don't when you're 02:54:43.440 --> 02:54:45.909 when you're developing your lot you don't cut into the root 02:54:45.909 --> 02:54:46.879 systems like. For 02:54:46.879 --> 02:54:51.479 the code it is supposed to be put at the drip line. Okay I 02:54:51.479 --> 02:54:52.360 kind of thought it was. 02:54:52.360 --> 02:54:56.680 The Kent key is perfect and they will be put there but okay 02:54:56.680 --> 02:54:57.079 knows they're 02:54:57.079 --> 02:55:01.280 supposed to be and he wants them there. Good enough. 02:55:01.280 --> 02:55:05.280 If you could just step up to the microphone. 02:55:05.280 --> 02:55:08.459 The plant that was shown at the first that had more of this 02:55:08.459 --> 02:55:11.909 drawn out in phase one, phase two, is there a way we can 02:55:11.909 --> 02:55:13.280 get a copy of that? 02:55:13.280 --> 02:55:18.700 It's available online currently but we can certainly yeah 02:55:18.700 --> 02:55:19.399 okay you can get with 02:55:19.399 --> 02:55:22.579 Haley and she can provide that to you. Okay so we're 02:55:22.579 --> 02:55:23.879 basically all the trees 02:55:23.879 --> 02:55:26.610 behind us are gonna be cut down is what we're looking at. I 02:55:26.610 --> 02:55:28.920 'm not able to I don't 02:55:28.920 --> 02:55:33.040 know what this the process is here we didn't fill out a 02:55:33.040 --> 02:55:34.639 plus or minus on 02:55:34.639 --> 02:55:36.569 whether to do it because we were coming to the meeting are 02:55:36.569 --> 02:55:37.319 we supposed to turn 02:55:37.319 --> 02:55:40.399 that in afterwards? On the blue card you can write support 02:55:40.399 --> 02:55:41.120 or opposition and be 02:55:41.120 --> 02:55:47.000 filed with us. Thanks. Christian Beck. Just to answer Mr. 02:55:47.000 --> 02:55:48.600 Weisenhut's concern about 02:55:48.600 --> 02:55:51.780 not getting a notice I don't think they sent notices out on 02:55:51.780 --> 02:55:53.879 it on this AESA 02:55:53.879 --> 02:55:57.290 right they would do that on the zoning but they all didn't 02:55:57.290 --> 02:55:58.319 send notices out for 02:55:58.319 --> 02:56:02.250 the you did okay my mistake. The same notification 02:56:02.250 --> 02:56:03.360 procedures followed for an 02:56:03.360 --> 02:56:06.920 alternative ESA plan. Okay I stand corrected thank you. 02:56:06.920 --> 02:56:10.500 Commissioner Ellis. Thank You Chair. Haley while you're up 02:56:10.500 --> 02:56:12.000 on on that topic can you 02:56:12.000 --> 02:56:18.569 address the gentleman's concern in the area to the north 02:56:18.569 --> 02:56:20.559 why perhaps that block 02:56:20.559 --> 02:56:27.860 did not get notification on regency? So the the 200 foot 02:56:27.860 --> 02:56:30.440 letter would have only 02:56:30.440 --> 02:56:33.290 hit these the homes on the south side all of these 02:56:33.290 --> 02:56:34.879 addresses would have had 02:56:34.879 --> 02:56:38.090 notices sent to them we use the county's current most 02:56:38.090 --> 02:56:39.879 recent you know tax roll to 02:56:39.879 --> 02:56:44.979 obtain our addresses so we have a receipt showing that all 02:56:44.979 --> 02:56:45.600 the postcards 02:56:45.600 --> 02:56:53.420 were sent. Okay. Is there anyone else who likes to speak on 02:56:53.420 --> 02:56:55.920 this item? Ma'am was 02:56:55.920 --> 02:56:59.309 first in the front and so forth. If you could state your 02:56:59.309 --> 02:57:00.680 name and address for the 02:57:00.680 --> 02:57:04.120 record. Okay I'm Stacey Beavers I'm at 121 Meadowlands 02:57:04.120 --> 02:57:06.399 Drive so I'm literally 02:57:06.399 --> 02:57:10.000 right next door to where all this is going to start. I 02:57:10.000 --> 02:57:11.479 missed the meeting on 02:57:11.479 --> 02:57:15.840 September 5th that I think the engineer addressed. I know 02:57:15.840 --> 02:57:17.079 some people said they 02:57:17.079 --> 02:57:20.420 got cards my card actually came on September 10th so I 02:57:20.420 --> 02:57:21.840 missed that meeting 02:57:21.840 --> 02:57:24.309 and so I wanted to address just real quickly a couple of 02:57:24.309 --> 02:57:25.079 questions that I 02:57:25.079 --> 02:57:28.170 might have been able to ask him at that time but didn't get 02:57:28.170 --> 02:57:29.239 an opportunity since 02:57:29.239 --> 02:57:34.629 I didn't get the card. I spoke with Kent Key last summer 02:57:34.629 --> 02:57:36.600 and asked him a little 02:57:36.600 --> 02:57:39.370 bit about this development because they started bringing in 02:57:39.370 --> 02:57:40.120 just trucks and 02:57:40.120 --> 02:57:43.879 trucks and trucks of dirt from 7 in the morning till 6 at 02:57:43.879 --> 02:57:45.440 night and they were 02:57:45.440 --> 02:57:49.370 literally every five minutes just coming in and out in and 02:57:49.370 --> 02:57:50.040 out in and out and 02:57:50.040 --> 02:57:52.790 everybody was in and up roars and then all of a sudden from 02:57:52.790 --> 02:57:54.079 what I heard they 02:57:54.079 --> 02:57:57.260 got a cease and desist I don't know if that's a fact or not 02:57:57.260 --> 02:57:58.680 but then I saw him 02:57:58.680 --> 02:58:01.360 one day and I asked him what was going on and he said he 02:58:01.360 --> 02:58:02.479 was working with the 02:58:02.479 --> 02:58:05.659 city to get that development going and I'm very curious 02:58:05.659 --> 02:58:06.799 because my husband and 02:58:06.799 --> 02:58:09.979 I are reaching a point where our kids are grown and we want 02:58:09.979 --> 02:58:11.879 to downsize so I 02:58:11.879 --> 02:58:15.809 asked him you know what the situation was and how soon that 02:58:15.809 --> 02:58:17.639 would be coming. He 02:58:17.639 --> 02:58:20.819 indicated that he would have was currently fighting with 02:58:20.819 --> 02:58:21.520 the city about 02:58:21.520 --> 02:58:25.959 making that an HOA so my first question is do you know if 02:58:25.959 --> 02:58:27.360 that subdivision is 02:58:27.360 --> 02:58:33.670 going to have an HOA? Yes, Mr. Allison. Because we 02:58:33.670 --> 02:58:35.200 currently do not and that is 02:58:35.200 --> 02:58:38.149 one really nice thing about our subdivision and it is a big 02:58:38.149 --> 02:58:38.840 attraction 02:58:38.840 --> 02:58:42.170 to people because so many of these subdivisions that are 02:58:42.170 --> 02:58:43.360 going in have 02:58:43.360 --> 02:58:46.540 HOAs and there are good things about them but there are 02:58:46.540 --> 02:58:47.319 also a lot of bad 02:58:47.319 --> 02:58:52.399 things about them so I'm curious. This development will not 02:58:52.399 --> 02:58:54.760 have an HOA. There are not any 02:58:54.760 --> 02:58:58.829 common lots. The drainage will be developed dedicated to 02:58:58.829 --> 02:58:59.559 the city for city 02:58:59.559 --> 02:59:03.920 maintenance. When Mr. Key was bringing in those loads of 02:59:03.920 --> 02:59:05.120 dirt that was about 02:59:05.120 --> 02:59:11.200 20,000 yards. He had a stockpiling permit. He was doing 02:59:11.200 --> 02:59:13.479 some mowing in the ESA so 02:59:13.479 --> 02:59:17.079 we got stopped for that momentarily but it wasn't but he 02:59:17.079 --> 02:59:17.719 didn't really get a 02:59:17.719 --> 02:59:21.770 cease and desist but there was an issue there and no that's 02:59:21.770 --> 02:59:22.879 all understandable 02:59:22.879 --> 02:59:25.719 probably. There is a certain amount of truth to every rumor 02:59:25.719 --> 02:59:27.079 unfortunately but 02:59:27.079 --> 02:59:31.399 that's what occurred and primarily with construction one of 02:59:31.399 --> 02:59:32.280 the reasons we're 02:59:32.280 --> 02:59:36.069 putting this temporary road where this is so we can do more 02:59:36.069 --> 02:59:36.879 access from this 02:59:36.879 --> 02:59:40.260 direction and not need to come. Believe me he remembers all 02:59:40.260 --> 02:59:41.600 the calls he got from 02:59:41.600 --> 02:59:45.319 that delivery. Okay so and to that maybe you can just stay 02:59:45.319 --> 02:59:46.440 and answer. Do you know 02:59:46.440 --> 02:59:49.620 yet what the minimum square footage of the homes in that 02:59:49.620 --> 02:59:50.799 subdivision are going 02:59:50.799 --> 02:59:54.729 to be required to be? There's no minimum being placed upon 02:59:54.729 --> 02:59:55.520 them but just because 02:59:55.520 --> 03:00:00.399 of the cost and the size of the lots. I think we're looking 03:00:00.399 --> 03:00:01.959 Kent has told me in 03:00:01.959 --> 03:00:05.639 the 500,000 a million dollar range on the home prices, 03:00:05.639 --> 03:00:08.000 values. Okay and will you be 03:00:08.000 --> 03:00:11.790 able to bring your own builder? Use your own builder or is 03:00:11.790 --> 03:00:12.799 he going to be the 03:00:12.799 --> 03:00:17.649 primary builder in the subdivision or? These lots he'll 03:00:17.649 --> 03:00:18.719 build some of them they 03:00:18.719 --> 03:00:21.600 will be for sale. I don't know if he has enough commitments 03:00:21.600 --> 03:00:22.520 to take them all or 03:00:22.520 --> 03:00:26.989 not but I'm sure he would entertain an offer. Okay and do 03:00:26.989 --> 03:00:29.120 we have any idea based 03:00:29.120 --> 03:00:33.319 on the size of the lots the price ranges of the lots? Oh 03:00:33.319 --> 03:00:36.360 the lots themselves I 03:00:36.360 --> 03:00:41.579 would like a starting range for the smallest lot to the I'm 03:00:41.579 --> 03:00:42.600 guessing but I 03:00:42.600 --> 03:00:44.790 would say you're in the hundred and fifty to four hundred 03:00:44.790 --> 03:00:45.520 thousand dollar 03:00:45.520 --> 03:00:47.670 range. I mean there's a house up a lot up here in the 03:00:47.670 --> 03:00:48.760 corner is gonna be thirty 03:00:48.760 --> 03:00:51.719 thousand square feet so you know there's a three hundred 03:00:51.719 --> 03:00:52.879 four hundred thousand 03:00:52.879 --> 03:00:55.360 dollar lot right there. Particularly if he's able to save 03:00:55.360 --> 03:00:56.760 those trees as he plans. 03:00:56.760 --> 03:01:00.739 Do you know based on where we stand today when those lots 03:01:00.739 --> 03:01:02.479 might start being 03:01:02.479 --> 03:01:07.239 sold and therefore some of us get an idea of when 03:01:07.239 --> 03:01:08.559 construction is going to 03:01:08.559 --> 03:01:11.030 start so that we have an idea of when the commercial 03:01:11.030 --> 03:01:12.200 vehicles are going to be 03:01:12.200 --> 03:01:15.350 coming in and out of there and you mentioned also that you 03:01:15.350 --> 03:01:15.920 're gonna be 03:01:15.920 --> 03:01:21.040 bringing in 60,000 yards of dirt. Yes. Is that going to 03:01:21.040 --> 03:01:22.719 come off of Country Club 03:01:22.719 --> 03:01:25.319 Road or is that gonna come through Meadowlands like that 03:01:25.319 --> 03:01:26.479 other dirt did or? 03:01:26.479 --> 03:01:29.309 Again he'll try and come down Country Club Road with it he 03:01:29.309 --> 03:01:30.319 's actually getting 03:01:30.319 --> 03:01:34.850 this from a road construction project. I would expect all 03:01:34.850 --> 03:01:36.620 the improvements to be 03:01:36.620 --> 03:01:40.870 completed and the plats filed and lots for sale sometime 03:01:40.870 --> 03:01:42.600 next summer. In the 03:01:42.600 --> 03:01:45.059 meantime though I'd say by the first of the year he might 03:01:45.059 --> 03:01:45.680 be able to take 03:01:45.680 --> 03:01:49.750 pre-sales but he can't officially sell a lot until it's a 03:01:49.750 --> 03:01:51.120 real lot. Okay. 03:01:51.120 --> 03:01:53.500 Okay. I think that was all of my questions. Thank you so 03:01:53.500 --> 03:01:53.600 much. 03:01:53.600 --> 03:01:56.959 Fantastic thank you both. Thank you. 03:01:57.639 --> 03:02:02.059 This is a public hearing sir what are you wanting to speak? 03:02:02.059 --> 03:02:03.520 I do just fill a 03:02:03.520 --> 03:02:06.489 card afterwards and state your name and address for the 03:02:06.489 --> 03:02:08.200 record. Yes my name is 03:02:08.200 --> 03:02:12.350 Chris Beggs and I'm at 401 Regency Court right across the 03:02:12.350 --> 03:02:15.159 street from Jim. 03:02:15.159 --> 03:02:20.750 We have the property that aligns actually where the 03:02:20.750 --> 03:02:21.479 development is 03:02:21.479 --> 03:02:25.309 going on. You can't let me see. If you use the mouse we can 03:02:25.309 --> 03:02:29.040 see that. We are right 03:02:29.040 --> 03:02:34.469 here. So what I'm looking at and I guess the concern is is 03:02:34.469 --> 03:02:35.879 that we have trees all 03:02:35.879 --> 03:02:38.559 of these trees and I know that they're going to be taking 03:02:38.559 --> 03:02:39.600 some of these trees 03:02:39.600 --> 03:02:44.129 out. Well miss I lost my pointer but to the back of the 03:02:44.129 --> 03:02:45.079 property there on the 03:02:45.079 --> 03:02:49.010 south side we've got a beautiful tree line that runs along 03:02:49.010 --> 03:02:49.520 right through 03:02:49.520 --> 03:02:53.799 there and I know that developers they like taking this 03:02:53.799 --> 03:02:55.159 stuff out and you had 03:02:55.159 --> 03:02:58.139 mentioned the gentleman here had mentioned about trees 03:02:58.139 --> 03:02:59.000 being taken out 03:02:59.000 --> 03:03:03.250 that I guess the ones that are tagged are over six inches I 03:03:03.250 --> 03:03:04.520 guess in diameter. 03:03:04.520 --> 03:03:08.569 Well there's some of them back there that are under you 03:03:08.569 --> 03:03:10.079 know about six inches 03:03:10.079 --> 03:03:13.899 or so that they they offer quite a bit of buffer for it. I 03:03:13.899 --> 03:03:15.159 think I speak for 03:03:15.159 --> 03:03:20.590 everyone that's on that that property line there that I 03:03:20.590 --> 03:03:22.440 guess the concern is 03:03:22.440 --> 03:03:25.950 we have trees that will be right on that property line and 03:03:25.950 --> 03:03:27.120 I'm trying to figure 03:03:27.120 --> 03:03:30.610 out is that are they planning on taking those trees out I 03:03:30.610 --> 03:03:31.680 mean if or is there 03:03:31.680 --> 03:03:34.510 going to be like a you know they're going to come off of 03:03:34.510 --> 03:03:35.600 that property line 03:03:35.600 --> 03:03:38.799 before they start taking trees out because that could wipe 03:03:38.799 --> 03:03:39.639 out quite a bit 03:03:39.639 --> 03:03:42.479 of that vegetation. Mr. Austin could certainly answer that 03:03:42.479 --> 03:03:43.920 I'd imagine Mr. Key 03:03:43.920 --> 03:03:47.420 would want to keep those for property value but if there's 03:03:47.420 --> 03:03:48.600 plans to remove 03:03:48.600 --> 03:03:54.680 them. Again a lot of these trees we're not even sure if 03:03:54.680 --> 03:03:55.879 they're on our lot or 03:03:55.879 --> 03:03:59.399 on the neighbors lot they could be under six inches but we 03:03:59.399 --> 03:04:00.799 have graded matching 03:04:00.799 --> 03:04:04.059 grade here so we can stay out here and protect the trees 03:04:04.059 --> 03:04:05.200 along here save and 03:04:05.200 --> 03:04:08.879 accept those in the immediate area of the channel where we 03:04:08.879 --> 03:04:09.959 might have to do 03:04:09.959 --> 03:04:13.889 some extensive grading but particularly I guess is this 03:04:13.889 --> 03:04:15.360 your lot am I pointing 03:04:15.360 --> 03:04:20.040 correctly? Yes. I'll be hard-pressed to see why we'd have 03:04:20.040 --> 03:04:20.600 to take any of 03:04:20.600 --> 03:04:23.879 those trees out. Because our property line actually goes 03:04:23.879 --> 03:04:25.920 just on the other side of 03:04:25.920 --> 03:04:31.030 the creek actually on the west side extends just right over 03:04:31.030 --> 03:04:31.959 on the west side. 03:04:31.959 --> 03:04:35.540 Okay so you're close to the trees. Yeah. But still these 03:04:35.540 --> 03:04:36.719 trees in particular 03:04:36.719 --> 03:04:39.899 those are based on our grading plan I don't yeah I can't 03:04:39.899 --> 03:04:41.280 imagine those 03:04:41.280 --> 03:04:46.920 leading to come out. And that's that's been the most 03:04:46.920 --> 03:04:47.000 question I guess. Sure. 03:04:47.000 --> 03:04:51.000 Understood. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. You just fill out a 03:04:51.000 --> 03:04:53.360 blue card. 03:05:02.319 --> 03:05:08.389 Christian Ellis. Thank you Chair. Mr. Beggs. Excuse me sir. 03:05:08.389 --> 03:05:11.639 I'm just curious did you get a notification 03:05:11.639 --> 03:05:17.719 card in the mail? You did? No. Where are you in? I think we 03:05:17.719 --> 03:05:20.239 're in the 200. Okay so you're in the 03:05:20.239 --> 03:05:23.600 within the red line? Oh within the red line yeah right 03:05:23.600 --> 03:05:26.079 there. So but as far as I 03:05:26.079 --> 03:05:29.319 know I think I did and Steve got one too. 03:05:32.360 --> 03:05:35.360 [inaudible] 03:05:35.360 --> 03:05:38.709 For what it's worth I'm in the 500 and I was I got notified 03:05:38.709 --> 03:05:40.200 . You did? By both the 03:05:40.200 --> 03:05:46.639 city and by Mr. Allison's. So I was I was caught. 03:05:47.200 --> 03:05:52.079 Is anyone else wanting to speak on this matter? Yes ma'am. 03:05:52.079 --> 03:05:54.159 Again if you could just 03:05:54.159 --> 03:05:56.079 fill out a card when you're done and just state your name 03:05:56.079 --> 03:05:56.799 and address for the 03:05:56.799 --> 03:06:06.930 record. Hi I am Stephanie Watley and I live at 801 Regency 03:06:06.930 --> 03:06:08.920 Court so this first 03:06:08.920 --> 03:06:14.879 lot here on the south side. I think my question probably 03:06:14.879 --> 03:06:19.200 for Mr. Allison is also 03:06:19.200 --> 03:06:22.379 about the tree line but I was concerned when you were 03:06:22.379 --> 03:06:23.239 saying there's gonna be a 03:06:23.239 --> 03:06:27.940 temporary entrance. Could you show me where that's gonna be 03:06:27.940 --> 03:06:29.040 ? Is that where the 03:06:29.040 --> 03:06:33.969 current that is that where that current like a little 03:06:33.969 --> 03:06:35.399 driveway is? Is that where 03:06:35.399 --> 03:06:39.329 the road is gonna be? Yes. Okay just pardon me for the 03:06:39.329 --> 03:06:40.680 microphone and for everybody's 03:06:40.680 --> 03:06:44.440 benefit. This road this gravel road that's existing it's 03:06:44.440 --> 03:06:46.559 probably a 150 feet 03:06:46.559 --> 03:06:50.629 or so off the property line is where the permanent road 03:06:50.629 --> 03:06:52.159 will go here and the 03:06:52.159 --> 03:06:56.239 temporary road here. Okay so when the permanent road is 03:06:56.239 --> 03:06:58.000 completed it will no 03:06:58.000 --> 03:07:00.770 longer go to Country Club from here it's gonna come down 03:07:00.770 --> 03:07:01.840 this direction is that 03:07:01.840 --> 03:07:04.709 correct? Yes it'll come down here and then line up with 03:07:04.709 --> 03:07:06.040 this street. Okay. We 03:07:06.040 --> 03:07:08.500 just don't know where along here because we don't know how 03:07:08.500 --> 03:07:09.079 much text on it's 03:07:09.079 --> 03:07:13.040 gonna take at this time. So once this road is complete 03:07:13.040 --> 03:07:14.440 there are plans to develop 03:07:14.440 --> 03:07:18.190 between Regency there will be a row of houses right here 03:07:18.190 --> 03:07:19.680 between the road and 03:07:19.680 --> 03:07:24.069 the tree line. Is that correct? That is correct. Okay so I 03:07:24.069 --> 03:07:27.399 know we're at risk you know some of 03:07:27.399 --> 03:07:30.079 our property is at risk with the easement through text on 03:07:30.079 --> 03:07:32.319 also so I was 03:07:32.319 --> 03:07:37.459 just interested to know what's your theory right now about 03:07:37.459 --> 03:07:38.040 where you may 03:07:38.040 --> 03:07:42.459 start developing. We've got about one I mean I don't know 03:07:42.459 --> 03:07:43.979 exactly how far the 03:07:43.979 --> 03:07:49.129 property is crossed. I have one I think they'll help show 03:07:49.129 --> 03:07:49.520 that. 03:07:49.520 --> 03:07:55.239 Oh that was easy. 03:08:00.120 --> 03:08:04.239 This shows our phase one and there's where the creek comes 03:08:04.239 --> 03:08:06.079 through there's 03:08:06.079 --> 03:08:10.149 Country Club Road it looks like there's probably three lots 03:08:10.149 --> 03:08:11.479 in here that we're 03:08:11.479 --> 03:08:15.270 not developing now but we will have a row of lots along 03:08:15.270 --> 03:08:16.799 here. Okay. And then in 03:08:16.799 --> 03:08:19.270 the future depending on text dot there could be two or 03:08:19.270 --> 03:08:20.280 three lots back here. 03:08:20.280 --> 03:08:23.639 Okay I gotcha and then again my concern is just for the 03:08:23.639 --> 03:08:25.600 tree line you know I 03:08:25.600 --> 03:08:29.000 know just because ever since this has become an issue I've 03:08:29.000 --> 03:08:30.159 gone to the back to 03:08:30.159 --> 03:08:33.639 try to look at where my trees end versus where the other 03:08:33.639 --> 03:08:35.000 ones begin you know and 03:08:35.000 --> 03:08:37.889 I can see that our tree line is nice and thick you know and 03:08:37.889 --> 03:08:38.879 there was so much 03:08:38.879 --> 03:08:42.059 talk before about the previous development about 03:08:42.059 --> 03:08:43.040 maintaining the 03:08:43.040 --> 03:08:45.930 buffers to help with the value of the homes. I mean you 03:08:45.930 --> 03:08:47.120 know we're really in 03:08:47.120 --> 03:08:51.409 this you know this neighborhood is bordering you know two 03:08:51.409 --> 03:08:52.399 nice neighborhoods 03:08:52.399 --> 03:08:55.049 obviously and it's in our best interest for everybody to 03:08:55.049 --> 03:08:56.079 keep as many trees as 03:08:56.079 --> 03:08:59.629 we can so I was just it makes me nervous that they don't 03:08:59.629 --> 03:09:00.319 show up on the map 03:09:00.319 --> 03:09:04.479 because then you know when we see the tree mitigation it 03:09:04.479 --> 03:09:05.520 doesn't address the 03:09:05.520 --> 03:09:08.889 south side of it at all so I was just curious is there any 03:09:08.889 --> 03:09:10.000 further information 03:09:10.000 --> 03:09:15.430 we'll get that maybe shows our tree line? To be honest no 03:09:15.430 --> 03:09:18.920 that's uh we are done 03:09:18.920 --> 03:09:23.190 this to meet city requirements and I'm trying to get back 03:09:23.190 --> 03:09:24.040 to another other than 03:09:24.040 --> 03:09:27.969 an aerial that shows these trees along here and the fact 03:09:27.969 --> 03:09:28.920 that Mr. Key is 03:09:28.920 --> 03:09:33.450 bringing in 80,000 and it costs money to remove a tree and 03:09:33.450 --> 03:09:34.719 we've graded so those 03:09:34.719 --> 03:09:37.940 wouldn't have to be removed that's about the best assur 03:09:37.940 --> 03:09:39.280 ances I can give you at 03:09:39.280 --> 03:09:42.719 this time. Okay so from this perspective when you were 03:09:42.719 --> 03:09:43.719 talking about two or three 03:09:43.719 --> 03:09:47.680 lots about where do you think is this is my lot right here 03:09:47.680 --> 03:09:48.639 so where are you 03:09:48.639 --> 03:09:51.100 thinking right now for the TexDOT allotment where do you 03:09:51.100 --> 03:09:51.399 think you'll begin? 03:09:51.399 --> 03:09:55.729 Well we're gonna stop here and we think TexDOT is probably 03:09:55.729 --> 03:09:56.719 trying to come 03:09:56.719 --> 03:10:02.409 through here I'm guessing they might do a little bit of 03:10:02.409 --> 03:10:04.479 geometrical creativity 03:10:04.479 --> 03:10:09.389 through here to avoid as much as possible but you know with 03:10:09.389 --> 03:10:10.360 here because 03:10:10.360 --> 03:10:14.290 of these homes and the big front yards there we think they 03:10:14.290 --> 03:10:15.399 'll maximize their 03:10:15.399 --> 03:10:19.920 right-of-way taking in our area. Okay do you know a date on 03:10:19.920 --> 03:10:21.239 like phase one and 03:10:21.239 --> 03:10:25.520 phase two? Again phase one we hope to break ground right 03:10:25.520 --> 03:10:26.319 after the first of 03:10:26.319 --> 03:10:29.840 the year and be completed next summer sometime. You'll be 03:10:29.840 --> 03:10:31.200 completed with the 03:10:31.200 --> 03:10:33.719 lots will become available? With all the streets yes then 03:10:33.719 --> 03:10:34.760 they can start building 03:10:34.760 --> 03:10:38.479 homes I can't predict when the homes will be completed if 03:10:38.479 --> 03:10:39.360 the economy stays 03:10:39.360 --> 03:10:42.870 the way it is I wouldn't be surprised if it's built out in 03:10:42.870 --> 03:10:44.319 two years. And then is 03:10:44.319 --> 03:10:47.500 there a plan for the beginning of phase two? That's all up 03:10:47.500 --> 03:10:49.079 to TexDOT until that 03:10:49.079 --> 03:10:53.440 road gets taken care of so when you sell your right-of-way 03:10:53.440 --> 03:10:54.680 to TexDOT we're 03:10:54.680 --> 03:11:01.399 probably right behind you. Okay thank you both. Yes ma'am. 03:11:01.399 --> 03:11:06.069 State your name and address for the record. My name is Man 03:11:06.069 --> 03:11:07.520 al Omari I live in 03:11:07.520 --> 03:11:15.079 201 Meduland which is here basically and we did not receive 03:11:15.079 --> 03:11:16.520 a card about 03:11:16.520 --> 03:11:23.479 anything. I don't know if we were exactly 200 or a little 03:11:23.479 --> 03:11:24.479 bit more but we 03:11:24.479 --> 03:11:29.139 didn't receive either 500 or 200 and I was worried about 03:11:29.139 --> 03:11:30.520 the traffic because 03:11:30.520 --> 03:11:35.329 where we our house is here so that big pile of dirt is 03:11:35.329 --> 03:11:37.280 right here and that 03:11:37.280 --> 03:11:41.000 means and there's nothing right now this is an empty space 03:11:41.000 --> 03:11:42.280 so you can imagine 03:11:42.280 --> 03:11:48.440 how it's gonna be from now on I'm just a little bit scared 03:11:48.440 --> 03:11:49.719 about the amount of 03:11:49.719 --> 03:11:54.670 traffic the amount of construction also all of a sudden the 03:11:54.670 --> 03:11:56.079 value of our house 03:11:56.079 --> 03:12:00.129 because our house is from those houses the big you know the 03:12:00.129 --> 03:12:01.399 bigger houses so 03:12:01.399 --> 03:12:04.639 how is that that new construction how is that gonna impact 03:12:04.639 --> 03:12:05.879 the value of our house 03:12:05.879 --> 03:12:09.690 in addition to the traffic and the construction some of 03:12:09.690 --> 03:12:10.920 course the trees 03:12:10.920 --> 03:12:14.100 all of them are gonna be gone and no empty space which is I 03:12:14.100 --> 03:12:14.920 mean I know I 03:12:14.920 --> 03:12:18.989 understand there will be no construction but is that gonna 03:12:18.989 --> 03:12:20.479 impact our the value 03:12:20.479 --> 03:12:23.290 of our houses because you know the value for all of those 03:12:23.290 --> 03:12:24.239 houses they have 03:12:24.239 --> 03:12:28.229 certain value so how is that gonna impact I can invite mr. 03:12:28.229 --> 03:12:29.000 Allison up to speak 03:12:29.000 --> 03:12:32.709 about the traffic flow for construction are they using 03:12:32.709 --> 03:12:33.879 metal lands to access 03:12:33.879 --> 03:12:36.649 construction and I don't know if you're an authority to 03:12:36.649 --> 03:12:37.879 speak on property values 03:12:37.879 --> 03:12:46.020 per se but if you have any insight to that when it comes to 03:12:46.020 --> 03:12:47.920 traffic for 03:12:47.920 --> 03:12:51.159 construction that traffic that's under Kent Keys control 03:12:51.159 --> 03:12:52.639 will be coming off 03:12:52.639 --> 03:12:55.399 Country Club Road primarily the traffic for the 03:12:55.399 --> 03:12:56.879 construction of the subdivision 03:12:56.879 --> 03:13:00.809 when it gets to the traffic for home construction these 03:13:00.809 --> 03:13:01.799 streets will be 03:13:01.799 --> 03:13:04.649 opened up so more likely they would come I keep pointing 03:13:04.649 --> 03:13:06.000 with my finger I'm sorry 03:13:06.000 --> 03:13:09.180 more likely they would come down Country Club Road because 03:13:09.180 --> 03:13:10.000 that's going to be a 03:13:10.000 --> 03:13:12.590 faster easier access instead of trying to be entered 03:13:12.590 --> 03:13:13.959 through this development 03:13:13.959 --> 03:13:16.790 but I can't say there wouldn't be a plumber or a roofer 03:13:16.790 --> 03:13:17.879 somebody that might 03:13:17.879 --> 03:13:20.750 come through here on the individual home constructions as 03:13:20.750 --> 03:13:22.200 far as home values 03:13:22.200 --> 03:13:25.379 we're looking at homes equal to or greater than these in 03:13:25.379 --> 03:13:26.319 values I think the 03:13:26.319 --> 03:13:31.299 comps would stay up if we were to go with an alternative 03:13:31.299 --> 03:13:32.319 development that 03:13:32.319 --> 03:13:34.909 could be allowed with the zoning with smaller homes the 03:13:34.909 --> 03:13:35.959 comps would tend to go 03:13:35.959 --> 03:13:39.360 down so I think what's being planned here will certainly 03:13:39.360 --> 03:13:40.639 not hurt if possibly 03:13:40.639 --> 03:13:44.270 help but that is the absolute limit of my expertise when it 03:13:44.270 --> 03:13:45.399 comes to appraisals 03:13:45.399 --> 03:13:52.629 thank you very much any other individuals want to speak on 03:13:52.629 --> 03:13:54.920 this item 03:13:57.600 --> 03:14:00.829 seeing none I will close the public hearing and open it for 03:14:00.829 --> 03:14:02.399 discussion or 03:14:02.399 --> 03:14:12.639 motion on the board commissioner Ellis I'm gonna make a 03:14:12.639 --> 03:14:13.600 motion to approve with 03:14:13.600 --> 03:14:16.979 just a couple comments thank you staff and Allison 03:14:16.979 --> 03:14:18.760 engineering group for doing 03:14:18.760 --> 03:14:21.280 great presentation it could have been a very complicated 03:14:21.280 --> 03:14:22.399 subject and you made it 03:14:22.399 --> 03:14:25.579 easy to assess and look into and understand exactly what we 03:14:25.579 --> 03:14:26.360 're voting on 03:14:26.360 --> 03:14:30.489 here today so thank you very much and with that I will move 03:14:30.489 --> 03:14:31.079 to approve 03:14:31.079 --> 03:14:39.940 Commissioner Sanchez I'd like to say you made a great 03:14:39.940 --> 03:14:43.760 presentation I think it 03:14:43.760 --> 03:14:46.940 helped a lot of people understand what was going on and 03:14:46.940 --> 03:14:49.200 they're on the grounds 03:14:49.200 --> 03:14:58.090 I'm gonna vote for it we are first in a second any 03:14:58.090 --> 03:15:02.879 discussion yes Haley with the 03:15:02.879 --> 03:15:09.559 four conditions okay thank you thank you Haley we have a 03:15:09.559 --> 03:15:11.040 motion and a second to 03:15:11.040 --> 03:15:14.719 approve with the four conditions seeing no discussion we'll 03:15:14.719 --> 03:15:15.600 call for a vote on 03:15:15.600 --> 03:15:28.139 the board the motion carries six zero with one absent that 03:15:28.139 --> 03:15:29.360 'll move us to our 03:15:29.360 --> 03:15:32.309 final hearing item for the evening thank you for everyone 03:15:32.309 --> 03:15:33.559 waiting on that item I 03:15:33.559 --> 03:15:37.540 know we have even a little kid waiting on us so we'll move 03:15:37.540 --> 03:15:38.760 on with haste to 03:15:38.760 --> 03:15:44.569 item 3d z 18 - 15 I'll open the public hearing and invite H 03:15:44.569 --> 03:15:45.000 aley for 03:15:45.000 --> 03:15:47.399 presentation 03:15:56.239 --> 03:16:01.670 all right good evening this is case as the 1815 for Audra O 03:16:01.670 --> 03:16:03.959 aks the request 03:16:03.959 --> 03:16:07.239 before you is to hold public hearing and consider making a 03:16:07.239 --> 03:16:07.920 recommendation to 03:16:07.920 --> 03:16:10.389 council regarding a request for a rezoning from 03:16:10.389 --> 03:16:11.760 neighborhood residential 03:16:11.760 --> 03:16:15.079 two districts to neighborhood residential for the site you 03:16:15.079 --> 03:16:15.520 can see 03:16:15.520 --> 03:16:18.989 outlined in yellow is just over 13 acres located on the 03:16:18.989 --> 03:16:20.120 south side of Audre 03:16:20.120 --> 03:16:24.209 Lane just west of Barbara Lane again the current zoning on 03:16:24.209 --> 03:16:25.479 the property you see 03:16:25.479 --> 03:16:27.950 here on the left is a neighborhood residential - so that 03:16:27.950 --> 03:16:28.600 would permit a 03:16:28.600 --> 03:16:31.239 maximum of two dwelling units per acre on the right you can 03:16:31.239 --> 03:16:32.040 see what the map 03:16:32.040 --> 03:16:34.500 would look like with the proposed zoning of NR for which 03:16:34.500 --> 03:16:35.360 would permit up to four 03:16:35.360 --> 03:16:40.000 units per acre the applicant did preside it provide a 03:16:40.000 --> 03:16:41.079 concept plan so although 03:16:41.079 --> 03:16:43.129 the zoning wouldn't be tied to this it does give you an 03:16:43.129 --> 03:16:44.159 idea of what they would 03:16:44.159 --> 03:16:46.909 hope to develop on the property should the rezoning be 03:16:46.909 --> 03:16:48.100 approved and I want to 03:16:48.100 --> 03:16:50.569 point out that north is oriented to the left side of the 03:16:50.569 --> 03:16:51.639 screen here the map 03:16:51.639 --> 03:16:54.819 didn't fit very well oriented the other way so what you can 03:16:54.819 --> 03:16:55.840 see here is Audre 03:16:55.840 --> 03:16:58.540 Lane on the north side of the property they do intend to 03:16:58.540 --> 03:16:59.479 extend Oak Valley 03:16:59.479 --> 03:17:02.360 Street through the property up to Audre as well as have a 03:17:02.360 --> 03:17:03.440 connection to another 03:17:03.440 --> 03:17:06.620 future neighborhood that is currently under preliminary 03:17:06.620 --> 03:17:07.840 platting adjoining 03:17:07.840 --> 03:17:11.229 them to the west they do have as you can see outlined in 03:17:11.229 --> 03:17:12.399 orange a number of 03:17:12.399 --> 03:17:15.629 single-family homes proposed the out lots outlined in blue 03:17:15.629 --> 03:17:16.479 would be proposed 03:17:16.479 --> 03:17:19.200 for duplexes and then there is a sizable portion of the 03:17:19.200 --> 03:17:20.399 property that would be 03:17:20.399 --> 03:17:23.329 that is proposed to our Parks Department currently to be a 03:17:23.329 --> 03:17:24.360 city park but could 03:17:24.360 --> 03:17:27.350 also be HOA maintained green space if for some reason the 03:17:27.350 --> 03:17:28.319 city is unable to 03:17:28.319 --> 03:17:32.989 accept that park property the code does outline two 03:17:32.989 --> 03:17:34.520 criteria for approval of a 03:17:34.520 --> 03:17:37.319 rezoning the first being does it conform to the future land 03:17:37.319 --> 03:17:38.159 use element of the 03:17:38.159 --> 03:17:40.959 Denton plan 2030 and second being is there adequate 03:17:40.959 --> 03:17:41.399 provision of 03:17:41.399 --> 03:17:45.379 infrastructure so looking at that first component the 03:17:45.379 --> 03:17:46.879 future land use designation 03:17:46.879 --> 03:17:51.120 for this area is low residential the intent of these areas 03:17:51.120 --> 03:17:51.680 is to have a 03:17:51.680 --> 03:17:54.299 maximum of four dwelling units per acre but to also 03:17:54.299 --> 03:17:55.680 accommodate a mixture of 03:17:55.680 --> 03:17:59.120 housing types and housing prices and to respect the you 03:17:59.120 --> 03:18:00.239 know the current 03:18:00.239 --> 03:18:03.420 development patterns in the area in our four we did find to 03:18:03.420 --> 03:18:04.440 be consistent with 03:18:04.440 --> 03:18:07.850 this it primarily permits single-family homes duplexes are 03:18:07.850 --> 03:18:08.680 permitted with a 03:18:08.680 --> 03:18:11.309 limitation that will look at a little more closely in the 03:18:11.309 --> 03:18:12.239 second and then it 03:18:12.239 --> 03:18:15.069 does fit within that maximum and I apologize this last line 03:18:15.069 --> 03:18:15.920 should say four 03:18:15.920 --> 03:18:20.500 dwelling units per acre within NR for so looking a little 03:18:20.500 --> 03:18:21.639 bit more about the 03:18:21.639 --> 03:18:24.389 zoning compatibility there is existing in our four both to 03:18:24.389 --> 03:18:25.200 the east and the 03:18:25.200 --> 03:18:27.909 south of this this development so this would be a 03:18:27.909 --> 03:18:29.680 continuation of that existing 03:18:29.680 --> 03:18:32.629 zoning pattern and our four as I mentioned is not only 03:18:32.629 --> 03:18:33.600 consistent with 03:18:33.600 --> 03:18:36.069 the future land use plan but also with the existing 03:18:36.069 --> 03:18:37.159 development pattern in this 03:18:37.159 --> 03:18:40.840 area in terms of use and the scale of use that's permitted 03:18:40.840 --> 03:18:42.200 so as I mentioned 03:18:42.200 --> 03:18:45.379 single-family is permitted by right duplexes do have a 03:18:45.379 --> 03:18:47.079 limitation that 03:18:47.079 --> 03:18:50.440 limitation has several criteria the first being that the 03:18:50.440 --> 03:18:51.479 lots containing 03:18:51.479 --> 03:18:53.979 those duplexes not immediately about the perimeter of the 03:18:53.979 --> 03:18:54.920 subdivision so as we 03:18:54.920 --> 03:18:57.579 saw in the concept plan the park the single-family homes on 03:18:57.579 --> 03:18:58.520 the south side and 03:18:58.520 --> 03:19:01.489 then the alleyway on the west side would prevent that 03:19:01.489 --> 03:19:02.840 immediate vicinity of 03:19:02.840 --> 03:19:06.770 duplexes abutting single-family it also requires that each 03:19:06.770 --> 03:19:07.879 duplex each half of 03:19:07.879 --> 03:19:10.500 the unit be on a separately platted lot so that they can be 03:19:10.500 --> 03:19:11.639 sold individually as 03:19:11.639 --> 03:19:15.040 a single-family residence and then it also requires conform 03:19:15.040 --> 03:19:15.760 ance with our 03:19:15.760 --> 03:19:19.340 single-family design standards in sub chapter 13 so each du 03:19:19.340 --> 03:19:20.719 plex is required to 03:19:20.719 --> 03:19:25.940 appear from the street as one unit the second criteria as I 03:19:25.940 --> 03:19:27.319 mentioned was the 03:19:27.319 --> 03:19:30.649 provision of infrastructure so there is access to the site 03:19:30.649 --> 03:19:32.000 provided off of Audre 03:19:32.000 --> 03:19:35.450 as well as the possibility of this connection at Oak Valley 03:19:35.450 --> 03:19:36.280 water and sewer 03:19:36.280 --> 03:19:38.750 which you can see here in a blue and red on the map 03:19:38.750 --> 03:19:40.360 respectively are available to 03:19:40.360 --> 03:19:45.200 the site off of Audre Lane notification was sent regarding 03:19:45.200 --> 03:19:46.280 this request through 03:19:46.280 --> 03:19:48.750 all of the required means in the newspaper signs were 03:19:48.750 --> 03:19:49.559 posted as well as 03:19:49.559 --> 03:19:52.840 the postcards and the 200-foot mailings we did receive 03:19:52.840 --> 03:19:54.559 several responses to this 03:19:54.559 --> 03:19:57.399 as you can see here and as provided to you in your backup 03:19:57.399 --> 03:19:58.639 the applicant did 03:19:58.639 --> 03:20:01.159 hold a neighborhood meeting on September 4th at the Civic 03:20:01.159 --> 03:20:01.879 Center there were 03:20:01.879 --> 03:20:04.649 multiple neighbors in attendance at that meeting some of 03:20:04.649 --> 03:20:06.079 the primary concerns I 03:20:06.079 --> 03:20:09.049 heard were over traffic cutting through on Oak Valley up to 03:20:09.049 --> 03:20:10.239 Audre as well as a 03:20:10.239 --> 03:20:15.360 duplex as being a new use introduced to the area staff is 03:20:15.360 --> 03:20:16.840 recommending approval 03:20:16.840 --> 03:20:19.219 of this request because we found it to be consistent with 03:20:19.219 --> 03:20:20.000 our two criteria for 03:20:20.000 --> 03:20:25.110 approval and I'd be happy to stand for any questions I do 03:20:25.110 --> 03:20:26.559 not see any questions 03:20:26.559 --> 03:20:30.760 of us right now of you Haley thank you for the presentation 03:20:30.760 --> 03:20:32.239 I believe the 03:20:32.239 --> 03:20:38.799 applicant is here and also has a presentation perfect is 03:20:38.799 --> 03:20:40.840 the applicant 03:20:40.840 --> 03:20:46.920 Sean Faulkner correct if you just state your name and your 03:20:46.920 --> 03:20:48.479 address you have 10 03:20:48.479 --> 03:20:51.319 minutes to present I won't need that long thank you very 03:20:51.319 --> 03:20:52.719 much my name is Sean 03:20:52.719 --> 03:20:57.079 Faulkner I reside here in Denton at 2713 Bissonnette Drive 03:20:57.079 --> 03:20:58.680 on the south side of 03:20:58.680 --> 03:21:03.500 town and I'm here to you know talk about our proper our 03:21:03.500 --> 03:21:05.479 project here in front of 03:21:05.479 --> 03:21:09.219 you you see the results of our neighborhood mean that we 03:21:09.219 --> 03:21:10.639 had most of 03:21:10.639 --> 03:21:14.569 the concerns that we had probably number one was you know 03:21:14.569 --> 03:21:15.180 parking along the 03:21:15.180 --> 03:21:19.239 street and bail would get fire access through and I believe 03:21:19.239 --> 03:21:20.360 the city back in 03:21:20.360 --> 03:21:24.799 March revised the standard roadway standards to widen out 03:21:24.799 --> 03:21:25.959 the street and we 03:21:25.959 --> 03:21:29.889 are planning to you know have those standards in our 03:21:29.889 --> 03:21:31.440 development to help 03:21:31.440 --> 03:21:35.879 that of course we also want you know fire protection and 03:21:35.879 --> 03:21:37.040 and and normal 03:21:37.040 --> 03:21:41.569 traffic to flow by and not feel crunched another concern of 03:21:41.569 --> 03:21:43.280 course with duplexes 03:21:43.280 --> 03:21:47.809 is rental property right now it's the intent that you know 03:21:47.809 --> 03:21:49.440 all the units will 03:21:49.440 --> 03:21:52.760 be owner occupied I know there's a development further down 03:21:52.760 --> 03:21:53.680 Audreau closer 03:21:53.680 --> 03:21:59.120 to 88 that is considered duplex but is 100% rental that is 03:21:59.120 --> 03:21:59.879 not what we're 03:21:59.879 --> 03:22:03.840 looking to do matter of fact you know for the duplex units 03:22:03.840 --> 03:22:04.520 we're looking at 03:22:04.520 --> 03:22:08.319 starting prices for each unit to be you know around 230 to 03:22:08.319 --> 03:22:09.479 140 thousand dollars 03:22:09.479 --> 03:22:12.879 you know and that's per unit that's not for both of us that 03:22:12.879 --> 03:22:15.239 's each side so we 03:22:15.239 --> 03:22:17.709 know we're looking for a little bit higher class you know 03:22:17.709 --> 03:22:18.319 development rather 03:22:18.319 --> 03:22:22.430 than just rental property and then a lot of people really 03:22:22.430 --> 03:22:23.799 can you know talk about 03:22:23.799 --> 03:22:28.559 the open space park you know as Haley mentioned you know we 03:22:28.559 --> 03:22:29.239 have approached the 03:22:29.239 --> 03:22:32.600 Parks Department about you know dedicating those to them 03:22:32.600 --> 03:22:32.879 they're 03:22:32.879 --> 03:22:34.959 currently evaluating at our site and I believe there's 03:22:34.959 --> 03:22:36.000 another site further down 03:22:36.000 --> 03:22:38.780 at the east that they're also looking at of course we're 03:22:38.780 --> 03:22:40.079 hoping that they'll take 03:22:40.079 --> 03:22:43.510 our site because I think it'll be a great addition to this 03:22:43.510 --> 03:22:44.399 side of town I 03:22:44.399 --> 03:22:48.069 know the neighbors around there would definitely love a 03:22:48.069 --> 03:22:50.959 park the trail master 03:22:50.959 --> 03:22:55.879 plan does call for you know widen sidewalks to go up and 03:22:55.879 --> 03:22:56.479 down Oak Valley 03:22:56.479 --> 03:23:00.409 and across Audreau so they'll be provide great access not 03:23:00.409 --> 03:23:02.040 only for our neighborhood 03:23:02.040 --> 03:23:05.450 but the neighbors that we're connecting to to get to it and 03:23:05.450 --> 03:23:07.479 then also minor 03:23:07.479 --> 03:23:11.829 concern was you know our duplexes were concerning actually 03:23:11.829 --> 03:23:12.680 we want them to be 03:23:12.680 --> 03:23:16.739 rear entry because you do duplex lots you know all you'll 03:23:16.739 --> 03:23:18.639 see is cars we want 03:23:18.639 --> 03:23:22.030 to keep that front area as nice and neat as we possibly can 03:23:22.030 --> 03:23:23.559 so we want to move you 03:23:23.559 --> 03:23:26.739 know the cars back into the back and in that case you know 03:23:26.739 --> 03:23:27.639 we'll have two car 03:23:27.639 --> 03:23:31.090 garages you know providing you know the four spaces that's 03:23:31.090 --> 03:23:32.479 required by the zoning 03:23:32.479 --> 03:23:36.000 ordinance is one of the concerns was you know putting a 03:23:36.000 --> 03:23:36.920 fence on the alley 03:23:36.920 --> 03:23:40.149 especially you know on the park and you know we want that 03:23:40.149 --> 03:23:41.360 to be oh feels open as 03:23:41.360 --> 03:23:44.889 possible you know you know not only for our residents but 03:23:44.889 --> 03:23:45.840 you know for other 03:23:45.840 --> 03:23:51.430 neighbors as well you know just kind of go through some of 03:23:51.430 --> 03:23:52.319 the you know 03:23:52.319 --> 03:23:55.290 requirements of in our four go a little bit a little bit 03:23:55.290 --> 03:23:56.479 further than what Haley 03:23:56.479 --> 03:23:59.219 mentioned you know it's typically so 20 foot setback you 03:23:59.219 --> 03:24:00.120 know we're planning on 03:24:00.120 --> 03:24:05.069 meeting that requirement lot coverage we're limited to 60% 03:24:05.069 --> 03:24:06.520 that includes the 03:24:06.520 --> 03:24:10.120 house and driveway so we're not going to be filling up a 03:24:10.120 --> 03:24:11.120 whole lot with with 03:24:11.120 --> 03:24:14.559 house and concrete so we'll be you know meeting that 03:24:14.559 --> 03:24:17.159 requirement again like Haley 03:24:17.159 --> 03:24:20.479 said you know duplex lots you know can't but the property 03:24:20.479 --> 03:24:22.360 lines we're gonna be 03:24:22.360 --> 03:24:27.780 separating either by an open space or an alley to provide 03:24:27.780 --> 03:24:30.159 that buffer and then 03:24:30.159 --> 03:24:32.620 you know more than four units right now we're looking at 03:24:32.620 --> 03:24:33.280 about three and a half 03:24:33.280 --> 03:24:38.959 units so we're not even maxing out you know what we can you 03:24:38.959 --> 03:24:40.239 know except parking 03:24:40.239 --> 03:24:43.889 you know required to have four spaces right now we're gonna 03:24:43.889 --> 03:24:44.680 have two car 03:24:44.680 --> 03:24:49.659 garages and provide two in a driveway and then propose var 03:24:49.659 --> 03:24:51.280 iances right now we 03:24:51.280 --> 03:24:56.940 have no variances that we're proposing in the pre meeting H 03:24:56.940 --> 03:24:57.959 aley mentioned that 03:24:57.959 --> 03:24:59.879 you know we had some side constraints and you know why 03:24:59.879 --> 03:25:00.920 weren't we developing 03:25:00.920 --> 03:25:04.370 the park area well one of the biggest reasons is there's an 03:25:04.370 --> 03:25:05.319 Explorer pipeline 03:25:05.319 --> 03:25:08.600 that goes through the site it's an eight-inch high-pressure 03:25:08.600 --> 03:25:09.399 line it's 03:25:09.399 --> 03:25:12.319 currently inactive so there's no product being moved 03:25:12.319 --> 03:25:13.799 through that right now but 03:25:13.799 --> 03:25:17.170 again in order to cross that property with road or any 03:25:17.170 --> 03:25:18.360 utility it's it's very 03:25:18.360 --> 03:25:23.090 difficult and so of course we can't build you know any 03:25:23.090 --> 03:25:23.959 houses or put lots 03:25:23.959 --> 03:25:27.889 across that so you know this kind of impediment to that 03:25:27.889 --> 03:25:29.319 another concern is 03:25:29.319 --> 03:25:34.750 along our West line there's a 54 foot electric easement 03:25:34.750 --> 03:25:36.079 that's been put in 03:25:36.079 --> 03:25:38.549 place there's overhead power lines along there as well so 03:25:38.549 --> 03:25:39.360 that's another 03:25:39.360 --> 03:25:44.790 constraint that you know we have to deal with and there's 03:25:44.790 --> 03:25:46.120 also underground 03:25:46.120 --> 03:25:48.590 drainage pipe coming from the subdivision to the south that 03:25:48.590 --> 03:25:49.239 cuts across our 03:25:49.239 --> 03:25:52.420 property and ties into the system in Audra and from there 03:25:52.420 --> 03:25:53.479 it goes north and 03:25:53.479 --> 03:25:57.159 up to an open channel so that's another constraint so as 03:25:57.159 --> 03:25:58.200 you can see on the East 03:25:58.200 --> 03:26:02.920 side there's quite a bit of constraints that are you know 03:26:02.920 --> 03:26:04.059 put impediments to 03:26:04.059 --> 03:26:09.020 developing you know residential lots and of course you know 03:26:09.020 --> 03:26:09.840 at the top we're 03:26:09.840 --> 03:26:13.020 gonna have to you know do our part to improve Audra that's 03:26:13.020 --> 03:26:14.319 not necessarily 03:26:14.319 --> 03:26:17.209 an impediment but it's still a cause that we have to you 03:26:17.209 --> 03:26:18.280 know bear with our 03:26:18.280 --> 03:26:22.399 project and you know this is something what Haley you know 03:26:22.399 --> 03:26:23.680 showed as well but 03:26:23.680 --> 03:26:26.860 you know here's our street extensions that we're planning 03:26:26.860 --> 03:26:28.879 on putting in our 03:26:28.879 --> 03:26:31.829 single-family detached houses that we're planning on 03:26:31.829 --> 03:26:34.280 putting in as well our duplex 03:26:34.280 --> 03:26:37.959 again it's we're buffered I guess the adjacent 03:26:37.959 --> 03:26:40.079 neighborhoods and again our 03:26:40.079 --> 03:26:44.469 rear entry alleys that we put in to keep the streets cars 03:26:44.469 --> 03:26:47.000 off the street and the 03:26:47.000 --> 03:26:50.930 rest of the property we're putting an open space again we 03:26:50.930 --> 03:26:52.040 hope that this you 03:26:52.040 --> 03:26:56.120 know Parks Department will we'll see this as a benefit and 03:26:56.120 --> 03:26:57.159 we'll be able to 03:26:57.159 --> 03:27:02.590 dedicate this to the city for for park development now 03:27:02.590 --> 03:27:04.319 these are some examples 03:27:04.319 --> 03:27:08.290 of other projects that are in Denton some of them are 03:27:08.290 --> 03:27:10.920 actually townhomes but 03:27:10.920 --> 03:27:14.100 you know this is the kind of feel that we're getting on the 03:27:14.100 --> 03:27:15.520 upper left this is 03:27:15.520 --> 03:27:19.989 up in Discovery Park you can see you know it's rear entry 03:27:19.989 --> 03:27:22.020 houses so the 03:27:22.020 --> 03:27:26.069 fronts are kept nice and clean this is actually a new build 03:27:26.069 --> 03:27:28.559 out there so that's 03:27:28.559 --> 03:27:32.100 why it's still the grass is still you know trying to grow 03:27:32.100 --> 03:27:33.680 in on the bottom and 03:27:33.680 --> 03:27:37.959 on the upper right corner those are along poinsettia Drive 03:27:37.959 --> 03:27:39.719 up up along at 03:27:39.719 --> 03:27:44.329 288 a little bit further north you know these lawns are 03:27:44.329 --> 03:27:46.840 very well maintained you 03:27:46.840 --> 03:27:49.760 know we are going to have an HOA and we're even kicking the 03:27:49.760 --> 03:27:50.440 idea of having 03:27:50.440 --> 03:27:55.870 HOA maintain the front yards so they can stay as consistent 03:27:55.870 --> 03:27:57.139 and a picture up 03:27:57.139 --> 03:28:01.739 right that's a picture of the alley back on behind the po 03:28:01.739 --> 03:28:03.799 insettia development again 03:28:03.799 --> 03:28:07.530 kept nice and clean they even have power lines similar to 03:28:07.530 --> 03:28:08.200 what we're going to 03:28:08.200 --> 03:28:14.709 have going back there so with that I'm happy to answer any 03:28:14.709 --> 03:28:15.360 questions that you 03:28:15.360 --> 03:28:20.799 have we do have one question to mr. Beck thank you chair 03:28:20.799 --> 03:28:22.040 thank you miss Sean 03:28:22.040 --> 03:28:27.459 yes sir yeah thank you for your presentation so it appears 03:28:27.459 --> 03:28:28.399 that all the 03:28:28.399 --> 03:28:32.209 duplexes will have rear entry parking correct and single- 03:28:32.209 --> 03:28:33.120 family homes will have 03:28:33.120 --> 03:28:35.680 front entry park most of the single-family actually will 03:28:35.680 --> 03:28:36.239 have rear end 03:28:36.239 --> 03:28:39.440 I think we have one or two the way that the allies of work 03:28:39.440 --> 03:28:40.319 okay that will be 03:28:40.319 --> 03:28:43.959 front entry okay but it's you know we prefer to have them 03:28:43.959 --> 03:28:45.600 all rear entry but 03:28:45.600 --> 03:28:49.579 there's you know one or two out lots that may be difficult 03:28:49.579 --> 03:28:50.479 to serve with an 03:28:50.479 --> 03:28:55.360 out sure sure and I understand and I appreciate the fact 03:28:55.360 --> 03:28:57.520 that I guess because 03:28:57.520 --> 03:28:59.989 you're pricing these houses as high as you are that 03:28:59.989 --> 03:29:01.120 hopefully they will be owner 03:29:01.120 --> 03:29:04.770 occupied but you know once these are developed and on down 03:29:04.770 --> 03:29:06.479 the road I mean 03:29:06.479 --> 03:29:09.750 what's to prevent that duplex owner from renting out there 03:29:09.750 --> 03:29:11.280 is yeah it's you know 03:29:11.280 --> 03:29:17.120 it's it's you know I'm in my neighborhood myself you know 03:29:17.120 --> 03:29:18.120 my 03:29:18.120 --> 03:29:20.629 neighborhood I think right now it's about 15% of rental 03:29:20.629 --> 03:29:21.840 properties it was an 03:29:21.840 --> 03:29:24.299 old starter you know house community I was developed in the 03:29:24.299 --> 03:29:26.120 late 90s and you 03:29:26.120 --> 03:29:30.209 know I'm a 16 year 16 year resident of Denton so I've seen 03:29:30.209 --> 03:29:31.399 a lot of development 03:29:31.399 --> 03:29:35.229 come in you know there's not much that we can do you know 03:29:35.229 --> 03:29:36.200 once someone buys the 03:29:36.200 --> 03:29:39.090 property for them to turn into a rental I understand that 03:29:39.090 --> 03:29:40.239 my concern and just my 03:29:40.239 --> 03:29:47.399 feeling it's not an absolute but it seems like duplexes 03:29:47.399 --> 03:29:49.479 tend to convert 03:29:49.479 --> 03:29:53.680 easily more easily oh yes our property I did have one 03:29:53.680 --> 03:29:55.479 discussion with a lady a 03:29:55.479 --> 03:30:00.459 couple weeks ago she called up and she was a more mature 03:30:00.459 --> 03:30:02.760 and she was looking at 03:30:02.760 --> 03:30:06.340 buying one the units and having a younger relative you know 03:30:06.340 --> 03:30:06.760 have the other 03:30:06.760 --> 03:30:10.079 half so that way you know she could still have her 03:30:10.079 --> 03:30:11.440 independence and and 03:30:11.440 --> 03:30:15.200 freedom but still be close to family that would be ideal 03:30:15.200 --> 03:30:15.840 yeah you know 03:30:15.840 --> 03:30:19.020 typically what what we're predicting will happen is gonna 03:30:19.020 --> 03:30:20.280 be empty nesters or 03:30:20.280 --> 03:30:26.989 you know families just starting off let me going on to the 03:30:26.989 --> 03:30:29.639 subject with the park 03:30:29.639 --> 03:30:34.450 hopefully the city will pick it up correct me if I'm wrong 03:30:34.450 --> 03:30:35.280 here if you're 03:30:35.280 --> 03:30:39.700 gonna have essentially 47 residences will you be able to 03:30:39.700 --> 03:30:41.799 have an HOA with fees 03:30:41.799 --> 03:30:45.129 that can afford to sustain a park if you if that's forced 03:30:45.129 --> 03:30:47.680 upon you well if if the 03:30:47.680 --> 03:30:52.139 Park Department does not pick it up you'll be something you 03:30:52.139 --> 03:30:53.280 know it with the 03:30:53.280 --> 03:30:56.760 fees that are out there they'd be able to do made no 03:30:56.760 --> 03:30:58.799 minimum maintenance probably 03:30:58.799 --> 03:31:01.430 won't be you know any trails or anything like that put in 03:31:01.430 --> 03:31:02.440 just a green space 03:31:02.440 --> 03:31:06.579 yeah so you'll be mostly edge like it's a green space you 03:31:06.579 --> 03:31:07.280 know if you go out 03:31:07.280 --> 03:31:09.459 there now you'll see you know four wheeler tracks going 03:31:09.459 --> 03:31:10.360 through there right 03:31:10.360 --> 03:31:15.180 now you know that's stuff that you won't want in the future 03:31:15.180 --> 03:31:16.159 and hopefully an HOA 03:31:16.159 --> 03:31:20.379 will be able to enforce you know the non recreational 03:31:20.379 --> 03:31:21.399 vehicles going back through 03:31:21.399 --> 03:31:25.120 there okay one last thing the concern about traffic barre 03:31:25.120 --> 03:31:25.799 ling through there 03:31:25.799 --> 03:31:31.790 once you open up oak valley any chance I mean you're not 03:31:31.790 --> 03:31:33.680 obligated to but any 03:31:33.680 --> 03:31:37.040 chance to minimize that by maybe putting a couple of speed 03:31:37.040 --> 03:31:38.280 bumps in there near 03:31:38.280 --> 03:31:42.450 Audreau and down the word connects yes sir the 03:31:42.450 --> 03:31:46.000 transportation code requires us 03:31:46.000 --> 03:31:50.219 to put in traffic calming devices okay and so that was the 03:31:50.219 --> 03:31:51.120 sense that we 03:31:51.120 --> 03:31:55.069 definitely will be putting in okay good deal good deal 03:31:55.069 --> 03:31:57.120 thank you sir thank you 03:31:57.120 --> 03:31:59.879 mr. Faulkner we have no other questions right now thank you 03:31:59.879 --> 03:32:00.440 we do have a couple 03:32:00.440 --> 03:32:03.200 cards so we'll go through these but it isn't a public 03:32:03.200 --> 03:32:04.440 hearing it is a public 03:32:04.440 --> 03:32:07.829 hearing so anyone who wishes to be can the first card I 03:32:07.829 --> 03:32:09.000 have here is John 03:32:09.000 --> 03:32:11.760 Maxwell 03:32:13.239 --> 03:32:17.770 so you just state your name and address okay John Maxwell I 03:32:17.770 --> 03:32:20.040 live at 2807 Howard 03:32:20.040 --> 03:32:29.100 Court I am just to the east of the subject property I don't 03:32:29.100 --> 03:32:29.520 think there's a 03:32:29.520 --> 03:32:36.610 pointer okay so I'm in this lot right here so I'm opposed 03:32:36.610 --> 03:32:38.120 to the proposed 03:32:38.120 --> 03:32:44.590 zoning based on the increased density I know the zoning has 03:32:44.590 --> 03:32:45.840 been recently 03:32:45.840 --> 03:32:52.260 changed to the properties to the West and I'd like to see a 03:32:52.260 --> 03:32:54.040 better buffer a 03:32:54.040 --> 03:33:00.530 better better transition between the high density and our 03:33:00.530 --> 03:33:03.959 properties I think 03:33:03.959 --> 03:33:09.389 the duplexes would not fit in with the existing 03:33:09.389 --> 03:33:13.840 neighborhoods again you know 03:33:13.840 --> 03:33:17.180 traffic I know that's going to be a big concern with the 03:33:17.180 --> 03:33:18.600 higher density homes 03:33:18.600 --> 03:33:22.659 that are going to be or apartments or whatever is going to 03:33:22.659 --> 03:33:23.760 be going in along 03:33:23.760 --> 03:33:33.059 Audra on to the west of this subject property see I have a 03:33:33.059 --> 03:33:34.520 question regarding 03:33:34.520 --> 03:33:40.129 the fences that would be put up on the east side of the du 03:33:40.129 --> 03:33:42.000 plexes are they going 03:33:42.000 --> 03:33:46.780 to be on the alley side or are they going to be right up 03:33:46.780 --> 03:33:48.559 against the homes 03:33:48.680 --> 03:33:51.860 yeah I'm concerned to speak to this but I want to make note 03:33:51.860 --> 03:33:52.760 you want to provide 03:33:52.760 --> 03:33:56.459 him an answer but the concept plan presented here has will 03:33:56.459 --> 03:33:57.600 not be tied to 03:33:57.600 --> 03:34:00.860 the approval of the rezoning okay so if if he has some 03:34:00.860 --> 03:34:02.000 thoughts and then wants 03:34:02.000 --> 03:34:04.559 to let you know about those we definitely want to provide 03:34:04.559 --> 03:34:04.840 that 03:34:04.840 --> 03:34:09.280 opportunity but it we're not holding him to this concept 03:34:09.280 --> 03:34:10.520 plan okay it could 03:34:10.520 --> 03:34:13.739 change he could not put duplexes there's a lot of things 03:34:13.739 --> 03:34:15.040 that could happen once 03:34:15.040 --> 03:34:17.750 we approve just the zoning aspect of it right he can 03:34:17.750 --> 03:34:19.280 certainly talk about the 03:34:19.280 --> 03:34:22.860 duplexes but I just want to ensure that we're not believing 03:34:22.860 --> 03:34:24.000 that the concept 03:34:24.000 --> 03:34:26.559 plan is gonna it's not what's being approved this evening 03:34:26.559 --> 03:34:27.559 right I understand 03:34:27.559 --> 03:34:31.079 that okay that's one of my concerns also is that you know I 03:34:31.079 --> 03:34:32.840 understand this is 03:34:32.840 --> 03:34:37.239 just a concept so he could come back and have more duplexes 03:34:37.239 --> 03:34:38.959 that are shown on on 03:34:38.959 --> 03:34:49.000 this concept plan potentially be tough yeah miss Fonder can 03:34:49.000 --> 03:34:49.719 you talk about the 03:34:49.719 --> 03:34:55.600 fencing you know typically with the duplex lot we won't 03:34:55.600 --> 03:34:56.200 really have any 03:34:56.200 --> 03:34:59.899 fencing along the backside of those houses there's just 03:34:59.899 --> 03:35:01.000 tends to be not a 03:35:01.000 --> 03:35:05.280 whole lot of space back there now in regards to you know 03:35:05.280 --> 03:35:08.040 more duplexes you 03:35:08.040 --> 03:35:11.239 know that's we're pretty much maxed out with this plan 03:35:11.239 --> 03:35:12.799 considering where the gas 03:35:12.799 --> 03:35:16.239 line is and stuff like that so we're not going to be 03:35:16.239 --> 03:35:19.319 putting more in this you 03:35:19.319 --> 03:35:21.790 know with a single you know we're still going with some 03:35:21.790 --> 03:35:23.000 single families in there 03:35:23.000 --> 03:35:26.750 you know to fill not only to fill the fire fulfill the city 03:35:26.750 --> 03:35:28.440 requirements but 03:35:28.440 --> 03:35:31.840 to provide little variety and not necessarily have all du 03:35:31.840 --> 03:35:32.920 plexes you know 03:35:32.920 --> 03:35:35.379 that's that's not what we're that's not what we're looking 03:35:35.379 --> 03:35:36.280 to do you know I 03:35:36.280 --> 03:35:38.870 guess you know repeat you know this developer is on this 03:35:38.870 --> 03:35:39.879 land for over 10 03:35:39.879 --> 03:35:43.479 years and now he built the houses along Barbara Street 03:35:43.479 --> 03:35:44.920 which is on the other 03:35:44.920 --> 03:35:47.790 side of this and you know as far as density we're looking 03:35:47.790 --> 03:35:48.600 about three and 03:35:48.600 --> 03:35:51.780 a half units to the acre you know other stuff you know and 03:35:51.780 --> 03:35:52.360 hey we could probably 03:35:52.360 --> 03:35:54.870 correct me if I'm wrong on this but the properties that 03:35:54.870 --> 03:35:56.000 recently got developed 03:35:56.000 --> 03:35:59.430 you know zone to the west of us there you know four to four 03:35:59.430 --> 03:36:00.479 and a half units 03:36:00.479 --> 03:36:04.409 to the acre and other developments there you know four to 03:36:04.409 --> 03:36:04.840 four and a half 03:36:04.840 --> 03:36:08.440 themselves so we're you know we're at three and a half 03:36:08.440 --> 03:36:11.440 maximum so we're you 03:36:11.440 --> 03:36:15.479 know we're not maxing out what we can do with it within our 03:36:15.479 --> 03:36:16.840 foreign district 03:36:17.360 --> 03:36:20.629 okay that's all the questions I have thank you thank you 03:36:20.629 --> 03:36:21.479 very much mr. Roswell 03:36:21.479 --> 03:36:26.840 the other card I have here is for Jay leak 03:36:28.879 --> 03:36:31.340 so you just state your name and address my name is Jay leak 03:36:31.340 --> 03:36:33.399 I live at 1216 Oak 03:36:33.399 --> 03:36:39.969 Valley which right around there so I was just gonna say 03:36:39.969 --> 03:36:41.799 simply I've lived in 03:36:41.799 --> 03:36:46.879 Denton for 23 years I own my home we've lived in the home 03:36:46.879 --> 03:36:49.879 for 21 years I don't 03:36:49.879 --> 03:36:53.059 own the field to the north of us I've enjoyed it I've 03:36:53.059 --> 03:36:54.479 enjoyed the blackberries 03:36:54.479 --> 03:36:58.719 I told mr. Johnson every spring there's frogs there because 03:36:58.719 --> 03:36:59.639 it's on a flood 03:36:59.639 --> 03:37:02.170 plain I knew when I moved in there we live we're moving 03:37:02.170 --> 03:37:03.280 into a hundred-year 03:37:03.280 --> 03:37:06.639 floodplain there's been issues with storm drainage I have a 03:37:06.639 --> 03:37:07.440 storm drain that 03:37:07.440 --> 03:37:13.659 runs along my property and then up this way that's not 03:37:13.659 --> 03:37:15.440 really a creek where the 03:37:15.440 --> 03:37:19.190 tree line is and I know we're talking we're not talking 03:37:19.190 --> 03:37:20.399 about drainage but if 03:37:20.399 --> 03:37:24.329 I had my choice I would say can you put put homes there 03:37:24.329 --> 03:37:26.360 versus duplexes I I 03:37:26.360 --> 03:37:29.329 travel around Dent a little bit and I know there's duplexes 03:37:29.329 --> 03:37:30.079 other places I 03:37:30.079 --> 03:37:33.690 would rather see homes it's going to devalue our property 03:37:33.690 --> 03:37:35.479 to the south they've 03:37:35.479 --> 03:37:38.659 recently it's not on this map but they've recently built 03:37:38.659 --> 03:37:39.760 successful homes 03:37:39.760 --> 03:37:42.940 to the south a whole new subdivision where there was a 03:37:42.940 --> 03:37:43.959 field when we moved 03:37:43.959 --> 03:37:48.549 there Bobcats have come and gone coyotes are leaving like I 03:37:48.549 --> 03:37:50.079 said I know it's it's 03:37:50.079 --> 03:37:52.159 only a matter of time before that's all developed the 03:37:52.159 --> 03:37:53.479 horses are gone but if I 03:37:53.479 --> 03:37:57.059 had my choice I would say leave it zoned like it originally 03:37:57.059 --> 03:37:58.559 was instead of 03:37:58.559 --> 03:38:02.610 switching it over and saying let's put one and a half times 03:38:02.610 --> 03:38:03.719 to two times as 03:38:03.719 --> 03:38:07.959 many and that's that's pretty much all I had so I 03:38:07.959 --> 03:38:08.920 appreciate I talked to mr. 03:38:08.920 --> 03:38:12.530 Johnson he talked about the park which is although that's 03:38:12.530 --> 03:38:13.639 nice that's a pig and 03:38:13.639 --> 03:38:16.350 a poke because number one I didn't sounds like you're not 03:38:16.350 --> 03:38:17.280 allowed to build 03:38:17.280 --> 03:38:20.229 homes on top of the gas line anyway so we can call it a 03:38:20.229 --> 03:38:21.520 park or we can call it 03:38:21.520 --> 03:38:25.600 a field the advantage for me is going to be there's not 03:38:25.600 --> 03:38:27.280 gonna be any meth heads 03:38:27.280 --> 03:38:31.559 camping to 200 yards or a hundred yards from my house which 03:38:31.559 --> 03:38:32.360 we've had problems 03:38:32.360 --> 03:38:35.940 with that some area named the motorcycle tracks and stuff 03:38:35.940 --> 03:38:37.600 like that but I you 03:38:37.600 --> 03:38:40.190 know I don't have any problems seeing developed but if I 03:38:40.190 --> 03:38:41.879 had a choice and I 03:38:41.879 --> 03:38:45.059 had say any say I would say please leave it zone for single 03:38:45.059 --> 03:38:47.520 residences so or and 03:38:47.520 --> 03:38:51.500 I don't know what all the codes are but I'm opposed to the 03:38:51.500 --> 03:38:52.799 new plan so yeah I 03:38:52.799 --> 03:38:55.639 appreciate you coming out and your family staying up late 03:38:55.639 --> 03:38:57.639 it's impactful I 03:38:57.639 --> 03:39:01.329 will say I'm hoping that this if this goes through the city 03:39:01.329 --> 03:39:02.399 takes it over so 03:39:02.399 --> 03:39:05.579 it's not a field it actually can be groomed and sidewalks 03:39:05.579 --> 03:39:06.319 and actually 03:39:06.319 --> 03:39:09.520 become a legit part about the development because we're not 03:39:09.520 --> 03:39:09.799 approving 03:39:09.799 --> 03:39:12.600 that tonight there's going to be other opportunities to 03:39:12.600 --> 03:39:13.879 speak into the plotting 03:39:13.879 --> 03:39:18.329 and the development process so we'd certainly hear it the 03:39:18.329 --> 03:39:18.920 developers 03:39:18.920 --> 03:39:21.639 obviously hearing your feedback but there is still 03:39:21.639 --> 03:39:23.040 iterations to come forward 03:39:23.040 --> 03:39:25.680 to see what's most economical for the developer it could be 03:39:25.680 --> 03:39:26.479 homes going 03:39:26.479 --> 03:39:30.760 forward so that that's not a dead end yet to see what what 03:39:30.760 --> 03:39:31.600 gets developed there 03:39:31.600 --> 03:39:35.010 so just I would say stay tuned in terms of the our agendas 03:39:35.010 --> 03:39:36.600 coming back and then 03:39:36.600 --> 03:39:41.360 come back and speak to those plans you're more than welcome 03:39:41.360 --> 03:39:42.000 to come down if 03:39:42.000 --> 03:39:44.360 able 03:39:54.520 --> 03:40:00.159 and I live at 2409 whispering Oaks and that street is 03:40:00.159 --> 03:40:01.920 parallel to what where 03:40:01.920 --> 03:40:06.180 you will be developing and right before the that your 03:40:06.180 --> 03:40:08.680 property is so how much 03:40:08.680 --> 03:40:13.600 distance will there be between my street my house and my 03:40:13.600 --> 03:40:14.959 fence and your 03:40:14.959 --> 03:40:19.680 development I've just wondered in what kind of division 03:40:19.680 --> 03:40:21.719 will there be a 03:40:21.719 --> 03:40:24.899 whether be a street there can Haley can you speak to that 03:40:24.899 --> 03:40:25.840 because we won't know 03:40:25.840 --> 03:40:28.530 what's being developed there but you can speak to any buff 03:40:28.530 --> 03:40:29.520 ering that would be 03:40:29.520 --> 03:40:32.329 required or if it just could be a house behind there can 03:40:32.329 --> 03:40:34.479 you speak to what 03:40:34.479 --> 03:40:40.069 potentially could border an NR for to an NR for 03:40:40.069 --> 03:40:43.120 neighborhood certainly so a 03:40:43.120 --> 03:40:46.590 whispering Oaks is here just south of the property so you 03:40:46.590 --> 03:40:47.840 would have this 03:40:47.840 --> 03:40:51.280 existing line of homes in between as well as there would be 03:40:51.280 --> 03:40:52.200 potentially a 03:40:52.200 --> 03:40:54.700 single-family home or an alley directly budding that 03:40:54.700 --> 03:40:55.659 property and there 03:40:55.659 --> 03:40:58.319 wouldn't be any landscape buffer requirements between 03:40:58.319 --> 03:40:59.040 single-family 03:40:59.040 --> 03:41:06.979 zoning so the park would be here on the east side of the 03:41:06.979 --> 03:41:09.479 property so the homes 03:41:09.479 --> 03:41:15.290 would be clustered in this area this is currently zoned for 03:41:15.290 --> 03:41:16.020 single-family and 03:41:16.020 --> 03:41:19.319 there's a flat under review by the city for single-family 03:41:19.319 --> 03:41:21.879 homes on that property 03:41:25.200 --> 03:41:31.670 Commissioner for netta and her concern based on what I'm 03:41:31.670 --> 03:41:32.239 looking at we're 03:41:32.239 --> 03:41:36.049 planning on zoning to match where her home actually is 03:41:36.049 --> 03:41:37.760 right now right going to 03:41:37.760 --> 03:41:40.219 enter for she's there only in it you're currently in an NR 03:41:40.219 --> 03:41:41.040 for so basically the 03:41:41.040 --> 03:41:44.219 the outline would potentially be you know pretty much 03:41:44.219 --> 03:41:45.559 matching what you already 03:41:45.559 --> 03:41:48.399 where you already living 03:41:53.040 --> 03:41:57.120 is there anyone else who wish to speak yes ma'am 03:42:00.680 --> 03:42:06.110 if you just state your name and address for the record my 03:42:06.110 --> 03:42:13.360 name is Nancy Carson I 03:42:13.360 --> 03:42:23.319 live at 2908 Oakshire I am within the 500 mile 500 feet 03:42:23.319 --> 03:42:24.639 neighborhood from 03:42:24.639 --> 03:42:32.149 this new development I'm very much against having duplexes 03:42:32.149 --> 03:42:33.280 in the area due 03:42:33.280 --> 03:42:37.479 to what we've seen with those that are already there 03:42:37.479 --> 03:42:40.559 although they are planning 03:42:40.559 --> 03:42:46.149 they say to put rear entry garages that's still not 03:42:46.149 --> 03:42:48.399 necessarily going to 03:42:48.399 --> 03:42:51.989 keep people from parking on the streets I mean I live on 03:42:51.989 --> 03:42:54.559 Oakshire cars are all up 03:42:54.559 --> 03:42:57.920 and down the street you don't stop that because you've got 03:42:57.920 --> 03:42:59.000 a garage or you've 03:42:59.000 --> 03:43:06.239 got a driveway also I would like to know what size these 03:43:06.239 --> 03:43:10.280 lots are going to be 03:43:10.280 --> 03:43:14.239 that the duplexes will be out 03:43:18.200 --> 03:43:22.840 right now yes we're still at the conceptual stage you know 03:43:22.840 --> 03:43:23.360 well you know 03:43:23.360 --> 03:43:27.559 for duplex so for one building well so the two lots 03:43:27.559 --> 03:43:29.479 combined we're looking you 03:43:29.479 --> 03:43:33.639 know between 60 to 70 feet wide typically some of them are 03:43:33.639 --> 03:43:34.159 will be 03:43:34.159 --> 03:43:41.149 wider some losses if you remember the concept plan you know 03:43:41.149 --> 03:43:42.719 on those on the 03:43:42.719 --> 03:43:46.809 south end they get extremely deep matter of fact you know 03:43:46.809 --> 03:43:47.360 we're even talking 03:43:47.360 --> 03:43:50.540 about having some detached garages from there just prevent 03:43:50.540 --> 03:43:51.520 you know the driveways 03:43:51.520 --> 03:43:54.879 from being so long and to provide those you know people 03:43:54.879 --> 03:43:56.159 with backyards that 03:43:56.159 --> 03:43:59.559 they'll be able to use well you must have figured something 03:43:59.559 --> 03:44:00.239 when you drew this 03:44:00.239 --> 03:44:09.100 out yeah they're typically I think I put them in about 120 03:44:09.100 --> 03:44:10.159 feet deep you know 03:44:10.159 --> 03:44:12.989 yeah you know we're all going to be able to you know cover 03:44:12.989 --> 03:44:14.719 60% of a lot so it's 03:44:14.719 --> 03:44:18.819 still gonna be a lot of green space you know on the lot you 03:44:18.819 --> 03:44:21.200 know from from what 03:44:21.200 --> 03:44:24.809 will be able to build out what do you mean you can only 03:44:24.809 --> 03:44:25.680 cover 60% of the lot 03:44:25.680 --> 03:44:30.510 are you talking the whole area on each lot each lot will 03:44:30.510 --> 03:44:32.040 only be able to cover 03:44:32.040 --> 03:44:36.180 60% of a lot with either building or driveway so if you 03:44:36.180 --> 03:44:37.079 combine those 03:44:37.079 --> 03:44:41.040 together so you know 40% a lot will still be you know 03:44:41.040 --> 03:44:43.760 landscape area so 03:44:43.760 --> 03:44:46.250 there's still be you know good bit of landscape area on 03:44:46.250 --> 03:44:47.879 each lot well also 03:44:47.879 --> 03:44:53.469 thank you for answering that I would like to say that 03:44:53.469 --> 03:44:55.639 builders are going to 03:44:55.639 --> 03:45:00.159 have absolutely no control over whether the owner is an 03:45:00.159 --> 03:45:02.600 occupant or not I live 03:45:02.600 --> 03:45:09.899 in a over 1800 square foot home and each side of the houses 03:45:09.899 --> 03:45:11.680 on each side of me 03:45:11.680 --> 03:45:18.629 are rented in fact five houses on my side of the street out 03:45:18.629 --> 03:45:20.239 of the five three 03:45:20.239 --> 03:45:26.590 are rentals and one of them on one side of the street an 03:45:26.590 --> 03:45:29.440 investor came in from 03:45:29.440 --> 03:45:35.250 San Francisco and he bought that house and I heard many 03:45:35.250 --> 03:45:37.440 others here in the city 03:45:37.440 --> 03:45:42.559 and he never sees how those people live or they let their 03:45:42.559 --> 03:45:44.200 grass grow up knee-deep 03:45:44.200 --> 03:45:49.620 or you know just all kinds of things very undesirable so 03:45:49.620 --> 03:45:51.479 you really have no 03:45:51.479 --> 03:45:57.069 control over that so I understand and and just as a point 03:45:57.069 --> 03:45:58.719 because the concept 03:45:58.719 --> 03:46:02.680 plan is not something we're being tied to in our four 03:46:02.680 --> 03:46:04.680 allows for a density of 03:46:04.680 --> 03:46:08.379 up to four units per acre so if we look more holistically 03:46:08.379 --> 03:46:10.000 about what potentially 03:46:10.000 --> 03:46:13.180 could be done after a rezone it'd be up to four units per 03:46:13.180 --> 03:46:14.520 acre across the entire 03:46:14.520 --> 03:46:23.379 plot does anyone else want to speak on this item yes and if 03:46:23.379 --> 03:46:27.319 you just state your 03:46:27.319 --> 03:46:34.030 name and address for the record Linda Bleece I live at 2805 03:46:34.030 --> 03:46:35.600 Howard Court 03:46:35.600 --> 03:46:43.989 Denton Texas I had no idea to speak but I am what we are 03:46:43.989 --> 03:46:47.200 trying to dis discern is 03:46:47.200 --> 03:46:54.920 to whether for to rezone it from a and and our two to a 03:46:54.920 --> 03:46:58.600 four yes ma'am I'm opposed to that I would not be opposed 03:46:58.600 --> 03:47:04.959 so much as to family single-family dwelling but I am 03:47:04.959 --> 03:47:13.920 concerned over them more in a smaller space and the I was 03:47:13.920 --> 03:47:19.030 told when we bought our house 14 15 years ago that we were 03:47:19.030 --> 03:47:21.120 in a floodplain and 03:47:21.120 --> 03:47:25.879 because of that pipeline or something that was behind us 03:47:25.879 --> 03:47:27.719 that they wouldn't be 03:47:27.719 --> 03:47:33.979 building there and now they're building or want to I our 03:47:33.979 --> 03:47:37.639 house is is very low 03:47:37.639 --> 03:47:44.209 and when it rains I have never we have never been flooded 03:47:44.209 --> 03:47:45.840 but it goes out our 03:47:45.840 --> 03:47:50.360 backyard and all the way down I'm sure where it goes I don 03:47:50.360 --> 03:47:51.319 't know because I 03:47:51.319 --> 03:47:55.909 don't go and look for it but anyway I I really hope that 03:47:55.909 --> 03:47:57.040 you take into 03:47:57.040 --> 03:48:01.770 consideration to leave it at - thank you appreciate that we 03:48:01.770 --> 03:48:02.959 have one question for 03:48:02.959 --> 03:48:08.329 you Mr. Beck thank you chair and miss please is it thank 03:48:08.329 --> 03:48:09.319 you for coming up and 03:48:09.319 --> 03:48:14.739 speaking you were opposed to changing this from an NR two 03:48:14.739 --> 03:48:15.840 to an NR four but 03:48:15.840 --> 03:48:23.350 are you aware that Howard Court is an NR four district it 03:48:23.350 --> 03:48:26.360 is so it's gonna be 03:48:26.360 --> 03:48:31.950 similar in size what's the difference and the term concern 03:48:31.950 --> 03:48:33.360 everybody has is 03:48:33.360 --> 03:48:43.319 the duplex thing but the sizes are gonna be the same but I 03:48:43.319 --> 03:48:45.959 think I would I would 03:48:45.959 --> 03:48:51.379 not be opposed to it coming in the back single-family and I 03:48:51.379 --> 03:48:52.840 understand it as to 03:48:52.840 --> 03:48:55.430 the drainage and I can't speak to this with any great 03:48:55.430 --> 03:48:56.399 authority but any 03:48:56.399 --> 03:49:00.110 development and development come in that comes in you know 03:49:00.110 --> 03:49:01.760 the city they have to 03:49:01.760 --> 03:49:04.459 make sure that they're not negatively impacting your 03:49:04.459 --> 03:49:05.920 property so actually 03:49:05.920 --> 03:49:08.870 drainage could conceivably improve when they get through 03:49:08.870 --> 03:49:10.159 with their development 03:49:10.159 --> 03:49:14.840 or if you were experiencing some minor flooding 03:49:16.840 --> 03:49:22.909 thank you thank you the system I see okay thank you we had 03:49:22.909 --> 03:49:27.000 one here first and 03:49:30.959 --> 03:49:36.549 serve you to state your name and address good evening my 03:49:36.549 --> 03:49:37.120 name is Charlie 03:49:37.120 --> 03:49:42.930 Rosendahl live at 1001 Barbara Street I'm opposed to the 03:49:42.930 --> 03:49:44.559 rezoning I understand 03:49:44.559 --> 03:49:50.149 that the concept plan is has been presented and today we're 03:49:50.149 --> 03:49:50.520 just talking 03:49:50.520 --> 03:49:54.250 about the zoning but once the zoning is changed they would 03:49:54.250 --> 03:49:55.440 be allowed to build 03:49:55.440 --> 03:49:58.620 duplexes in that property and there wouldn't be anything we 03:49:58.620 --> 03:49:59.200 could do at that 03:49:59.200 --> 03:50:05.299 point I will say here there was a question earlier at the 03:50:05.299 --> 03:50:05.799 work session 03:50:05.799 --> 03:50:10.920 about are there any duplexes in the area there's one street 03:50:10.920 --> 03:50:12.799 of duplexes here and 03:50:12.799 --> 03:50:17.239 then there's a row of duplexes here and in the entire map 03:50:17.239 --> 03:50:18.079 that's the only 03:50:18.079 --> 03:50:24.209 duplexes that I believe are in this this whole area as far 03:50:24.209 --> 03:50:25.479 as the rental 03:50:25.479 --> 03:50:29.850 properties that one row of duplexes here is a majority 03:50:29.850 --> 03:50:32.559 rental properties so I 03:50:32.559 --> 03:50:36.280 think it's conceivable to to assume that that would happen 03:50:36.280 --> 03:50:38.680 once this the duplexes 03:50:38.680 --> 03:50:45.250 are allowed to be built here also there is the NR6 zoning 03:50:45.250 --> 03:50:46.319 that we've talked 03:50:46.319 --> 03:50:50.530 about that was approved to the West here I believe council 03:50:50.530 --> 03:50:52.079 set the precedent in 03:50:52.079 --> 03:50:54.899 December when they approved that in our six zoning by 03:50:54.899 --> 03:50:56.100 allowing only single 03:50:56.100 --> 03:51:00.110 families in there and I think that this this body should 03:51:00.110 --> 03:51:01.760 abide by that precedent 03:51:01.760 --> 03:51:05.239 said not even a year ago that if you do allow the increase 03:51:05.239 --> 03:51:06.280 in densities it 03:51:06.280 --> 03:51:11.399 should be under the condition that it only be single-family 03:51:11.399 --> 03:51:15.120 homes I appreciate 03:51:15.120 --> 03:51:17.319 that 03:51:20.440 --> 03:51:27.010 yes mr. Walker one thing I would like to point out doesn't 03:51:27.010 --> 03:51:27.959 quite reach up here 03:51:27.959 --> 03:51:31.250 but I just want to point out you know that you know there's 03:51:31.250 --> 03:51:32.319 other areas in the 03:51:32.319 --> 03:51:36.959 city like up here it's in our mixed use 12 this is you know 03:51:36.959 --> 03:51:38.040 currently apartments 03:51:38.040 --> 03:51:43.420 this is undeveloped is also in our you me you 12 these are 03:51:43.420 --> 03:51:44.319 you know properties 03:51:44.319 --> 03:51:48.250 in the area that currently could be developed as multif 03:51:48.250 --> 03:51:49.840 amily without any 03:51:49.840 --> 03:51:53.600 zoning change I appreciate that because you're all said you 03:51:53.600 --> 03:51:54.159 want to speak and 03:51:54.159 --> 03:51:57.129 then I was gonna recognize thank you chair mr. Faulkner my 03:51:57.129 --> 03:51:57.760 questions for you 03:51:57.760 --> 03:52:00.940 actually just wondering if you looked in the feasibility of 03:52:00.940 --> 03:52:02.040 developing this with 03:52:02.040 --> 03:52:05.840 all single-family homes or garden style homes even yes we 03:52:05.840 --> 03:52:08.159 have and you know the 03:52:08.159 --> 03:52:12.969 amount of loss that we were able to get does not meet our 03:52:12.969 --> 03:52:15.360 financial needs I hate 03:52:15.360 --> 03:52:21.319 to be talk about money but that's what it's all about the 03:52:21.319 --> 03:52:21.840 amount of loss that 03:52:21.840 --> 03:52:25.040 we will have does not make the project economically 03:52:25.040 --> 03:52:27.360 feasible 03:52:33.000 --> 03:52:37.260 sir if you just state your name and you need to fill out a 03:52:37.260 --> 03:52:40.440 new card for this 03:52:40.440 --> 03:52:45.879 agenda item again it's Bob highly and I live at 3855 Le 03:52:45.879 --> 03:52:47.920 isure Lane I live on the 03:52:47.920 --> 03:52:50.909 other side of town but I have a dear friend that lives on 03:52:50.909 --> 03:52:52.000 barber Street who 03:52:52.000 --> 03:52:55.930 can't get out and she asked me since I was coming to look 03:52:55.930 --> 03:52:57.479 out for it but Michael 03:52:57.479 --> 03:53:02.299 my question is if the city takes over a big chunk of that 03:53:02.299 --> 03:53:06.120 property as City Park 03:53:06.120 --> 03:53:09.799 that you were mentioning on the east side which is directly 03:53:09.799 --> 03:53:10.920 behind our house 03:53:10.920 --> 03:53:17.079 which would be great but how does that figure into the are 03:53:17.079 --> 03:53:20.200 the are for is the 03:53:20.200 --> 03:53:24.860 track then reduced by the park line from separated from the 03:53:24.860 --> 03:53:26.360 parkland which would 03:53:26.360 --> 03:53:31.950 then mean that the actual density would would be less one 03:53:31.950 --> 03:53:33.920 the remaining property 03:53:33.920 --> 03:53:36.809 I'll ask Haley for clarification but I assume they can use 03:53:36.809 --> 03:53:37.719 that as a density 03:53:37.719 --> 03:53:44.780 credit certainly since it would all be platted together the 03:53:44.780 --> 03:53:46.079 entire 13 and a 03:53:46.079 --> 03:53:49.260 half acres would count for their density but it would be 03:53:49.260 --> 03:53:50.520 subdivided in the park 03:53:50.520 --> 03:53:53.889 would be dedicated as a separate lot to the city after that 03:53:53.889 --> 03:53:55.079 point but they they 03:53:55.079 --> 03:53:59.010 could get credit for that density does that answer your 03:53:59.010 --> 03:54:03.959 question yes well it's 03:54:03.959 --> 03:54:06.489 not being proposed but it could happen is actually greater 03:54:06.489 --> 03:54:07.479 than four per acre 03:54:07.479 --> 03:54:12.120 that's Chris yeah it would it would be any ways when you 03:54:12.120 --> 03:54:12.600 take in road 03:54:12.600 --> 03:54:15.959 consideration so any property it varies once you take road 03:54:15.959 --> 03:54:17.719 any tree mitigation 03:54:17.719 --> 03:54:21.690 any of that that provides density credit so it's not 03:54:21.690 --> 03:54:23.559 typically once the project's 03:54:23.559 --> 03:54:26.780 done it's not four acre four houses per that individual 03:54:26.780 --> 03:54:27.879 acre it's across the 03:54:27.879 --> 03:54:31.239 entire plot okay I just 03:54:37.959 --> 03:54:45.469 anyone else like to speak on this item I appreciate you all 03:54:45.469 --> 03:54:46.600 coming out and 03:54:46.600 --> 03:54:54.110 staying up late with us oh yes ma'am thank you miss that 03:54:54.110 --> 03:54:54.280 one 03:54:54.280 --> 03:54:57.459 there you just state your name and address please Lynette 03:54:57.459 --> 03:54:58.520 leak and I live 03:54:58.520 --> 03:55:03.239 at 1216 Oak Valley and I just wanted to say I was I'm 03:55:03.239 --> 03:55:04.680 opposed to that change 03:55:04.680 --> 03:55:10.909 zoning to NR4 but what is NR6 what did what does that 03:55:10.909 --> 03:55:11.799 address to what's the 03:55:11.799 --> 03:55:15.590 inner six so the inner six on this is the orange directly 03:55:15.590 --> 03:55:16.799 to the west of the 03:55:16.799 --> 03:55:21.639 subject property and it was approved last year as a rezone 03:55:21.639 --> 03:55:22.360 and there's a 03:55:22.360 --> 03:55:25.780 plot on file if you if you wanted to see how those houses 03:55:25.780 --> 03:55:26.879 will be constructed 03:55:26.879 --> 03:55:29.639 there already in the platting stage so you can see it's 03:55:29.639 --> 03:55:30.920 publicly available to 03:55:30.920 --> 03:55:33.780 know the roads and housing that's going on in that orange 03:55:33.780 --> 03:55:34.719 block it's being 03:55:34.719 --> 03:55:38.760 constructed now yeah just I mean similar concerns I mean 03:55:38.760 --> 03:55:40.920 just the same thing just 03:55:40.920 --> 03:55:45.760 that there would be the multifamily homes and just the 03:55:45.760 --> 03:55:47.399 density that it would 03:55:47.399 --> 03:55:50.719 be an issue or just be a problem and changing the 03:55:50.719 --> 03:55:52.840 neighborhood so that's it 03:55:52.840 --> 03:55:56.239 thank you for your feedback 03:56:01.879 --> 03:56:03.120 ma'am if you could if you could come down for I'm sure 03:56:03.120 --> 03:56:06.079 there's thousands of 03:56:06.079 --> 03:56:13.069 people watching this on TV right now my wife is apparently 03:56:13.069 --> 03:56:19.879 so there's one no I 03:56:19.879 --> 03:56:28.739 just want to ask about the NR6 does that mean what does 03:56:28.739 --> 03:56:31.360 that mean I mean 03:56:31.360 --> 03:56:34.540 fundamentally it's just a higher density area than in our 03:56:34.540 --> 03:56:35.440 six they can they can 03:56:35.440 --> 03:56:38.889 go up to six units per acre that specific property we ca 03:56:38.889 --> 03:56:39.719 pped them so 03:56:39.719 --> 03:56:42.899 they're not going to be above I believe it's five per acre 03:56:42.899 --> 03:56:43.639 they had a provision 03:56:43.639 --> 03:56:47.850 on it but there are uses identified in each zoning category 03:56:47.850 --> 03:56:48.600 of what can be 03:56:48.600 --> 03:56:53.219 placed in each zone and so it's it's actually a pretty long 03:56:53.219 --> 03:56:54.360 list but it's 03:56:54.360 --> 03:56:58.159 just a higher density residential zone in classification 03:56:58.159 --> 03:56:59.000 yeah that's really 03:56:59.000 --> 03:57:11.469 high okay thank you if I may add just a little bit of the 03:57:11.469 --> 03:57:12.040 explanation between 03:57:12.040 --> 03:57:16.399 NR6 and our four NR6 permits duplex by right regardless of 03:57:16.399 --> 03:57:17.399 where they are NR4 03:57:17.399 --> 03:57:21.079 restricts it to essentially interior lots so they can't a 03:57:21.079 --> 03:57:22.319 duplex could not 03:57:22.319 --> 03:57:26.319 a but a single-family lot property line to property line 03:57:26.319 --> 03:57:28.360 within NR4 and so this 03:57:28.360 --> 03:57:32.329 this this site is sort of unique given that that that 03:57:32.329 --> 03:57:34.079 pipeline and open space 03:57:34.079 --> 03:57:36.879 and so they're as a result they're able to to sort of 03:57:36.879 --> 03:57:38.280 arrange it in a way that 03:57:38.280 --> 03:57:41.860 internalizes the duplexes so that's how it's permitted in 03:57:41.860 --> 03:57:42.760 NR4 which is really 03:57:42.760 --> 03:57:46.340 the the distinction from from NR6 with those overlays if 03:57:46.340 --> 03:57:48.159 that helps thank you 03:57:48.159 --> 03:57:54.469 Richard mr. Beck thank you chair Haley did what was the 03:57:54.469 --> 03:57:55.799 opposition percentage 03:57:55.799 --> 03:58:00.909 here I just going forward if if if we do approve this does 03:58:00.909 --> 03:58:02.120 it meet the criteria 03:58:02.120 --> 03:58:06.639 for the super majority at City Council because this is not 03:58:06.639 --> 03:58:07.200 the final stop by 03:58:07.200 --> 03:58:15.200 the way folks we'd have to recalculate with that prior to 03:58:15.200 --> 03:58:15.879 the meeting I had our 03:58:15.879 --> 03:58:18.649 GIS team right and we were only at about 3% with with the 03:58:18.649 --> 03:58:19.680 ones reflected here on 03:58:19.680 --> 03:58:23.909 the map certainly these responses would also go into that 03:58:23.909 --> 03:58:25.219 but I'm not sure if it 03:58:25.219 --> 03:58:28.600 would hit that 20% because there there are these large 03:58:28.600 --> 03:58:30.040 tracks to the the west 03:58:30.040 --> 03:58:36.030 of the site that would make up a sizable amount okay thank 03:58:36.030 --> 03:58:36.079 you 03:58:36.840 --> 03:58:43.299 anyone else like to speak on this item seeing none I'll 03:58:43.299 --> 03:58:45.559 close the public hearing 03:58:45.559 --> 03:58:49.360 and open for discussion or motion 03:58:53.479 --> 03:58:57.819 Christian Beck thank you chair and thank all of you for 03:58:57.819 --> 03:58:58.479 coming down and staying 03:58:58.479 --> 03:59:01.420 as long as you have I know it's it's been a long night for 03:59:01.420 --> 03:59:02.520 you and I realize 03:59:02.520 --> 03:59:07.629 this is a frustrating development for you I empathize with 03:59:07.629 --> 03:59:08.719 you really I've 03:59:08.719 --> 03:59:12.920 stated my concerns I think duplexes turn to tend to turn 03:59:12.920 --> 03:59:14.040 over quicker as rental 03:59:14.040 --> 03:59:17.299 property but as rental property goes every neighborhood is 03:59:17.299 --> 03:59:18.399 going to have some 03:59:18.399 --> 03:59:24.000 I believe mr. Faulkner stated that at least the initial 03:59:24.000 --> 03:59:26.159 buyer had to be had to 03:59:26.159 --> 03:59:29.399 reside in the home what happens after somebody sells a 03:59:29.399 --> 03:59:30.639 house nobody has any 03:59:30.639 --> 03:59:37.200 control over that either so but what we're looking at here 03:59:37.200 --> 03:59:37.719 is a piece of 03:59:37.719 --> 03:59:41.510 property that's been here for a while mr. Faulkner feels 03:59:41.510 --> 03:59:42.719 that if it was all 03:59:42.719 --> 03:59:46.979 single-family that he wouldn't get the bang for his buck 03:59:46.979 --> 03:59:48.520 and I understand that 03:59:48.520 --> 03:59:53.120 you know money is an issue here that bothers some people 03:59:53.120 --> 03:59:54.360 bothers me some of 03:59:54.360 --> 04:00:00.489 the times but eventually this property will sit there for a 04:00:00.489 --> 04:00:01.120 long period of time 04:00:01.120 --> 04:00:05.069 we won't gain any tax revenue from it if we don't do 04:00:05.069 --> 04:00:07.559 something and this is this 04:00:07.559 --> 04:00:11.530 isn't a real is reasonable in the sense that it's he's 04:00:11.530 --> 04:00:13.399 willing to work with you 04:00:13.399 --> 04:00:16.350 on the traffic issue putting speed bumps in hopefully it'll 04:00:16.350 --> 04:00:17.680 occur the buffers 04:00:17.680 --> 04:00:22.260 seem adequate more than adequate and if you get a green 04:00:22.260 --> 04:00:23.379 zone there maybe even a 04:00:23.379 --> 04:00:26.559 city park you've got a little extra benefit that you didn't 04:00:26.559 --> 04:00:30.000 have so there is 04:00:30.000 --> 04:00:34.159 some reluctance on my part to to approve this but it does 04:00:34.159 --> 04:00:36.000 meet the criteria that 04:00:36.000 --> 04:00:40.639 the city establishes so that being said even reluctantly I 04:00:40.639 --> 04:00:41.879 'm gonna make a motion 04:00:41.879 --> 04:00:49.879 to approve the 1815 with any conditions we had no okay 04:00:49.879 --> 04:00:51.319 thank you 04:00:51.319 --> 04:00:58.290 Commissioner Beck we have a motion Chris your Sanchez is 04:00:58.290 --> 04:01:00.639 that look look around 04:01:00.639 --> 04:01:04.399 in the neighborhood you know you have an R6 and quite a bit 04:01:04.399 --> 04:01:05.920 of NR for there you 04:01:05.920 --> 04:01:11.799 have a few areas that are NR to and I'm you know if you 04:01:11.799 --> 04:01:13.559 want to stay with with I 04:01:13.559 --> 04:01:18.329 don't think in our floor is contradictory what he's asking 04:01:18.329 --> 04:01:18.920 for for 04:01:18.920 --> 04:01:24.729 what it's in the area and that you know I guess we look at 04:01:24.729 --> 04:01:26.120 duplexes but that's 04:01:26.120 --> 04:01:29.600 not what we're here talking about we're here to talk about 04:01:29.600 --> 04:01:32.200 the zoning you know 04:01:32.200 --> 04:01:36.840 is there a good possibility of there being 04:01:36.840 --> 04:01:41.040 duplexes there there probably is that's probably the most 04:01:41.040 --> 04:01:42.040 feasible like you 04:01:42.040 --> 04:01:47.629 mentioned this what can you build there and still make a 04:01:47.629 --> 04:01:48.239 little bit of money 04:01:48.239 --> 04:01:50.629 that's somewhat it's a that's what it's all about people 04:01:50.629 --> 04:01:51.159 have to make a little 04:01:51.159 --> 04:01:54.549 bit a little bit of money they just can't leave that 04:01:54.549 --> 04:01:57.479 property vacant so you 04:01:57.479 --> 04:02:04.110 know I think looking at the area the whole area I'm gonna 04:02:04.110 --> 04:02:06.120 vote for it and 04:02:06.120 --> 04:02:08.219 Christians like chances are you are you second in the 04:02:08.219 --> 04:02:11.639 motion yes okay any other 04:02:11.639 --> 04:02:17.879 discussion yes Commissioner Ellis thank you chair I just a 04:02:17.879 --> 04:02:18.959 couple thoughts thank 04:02:18.959 --> 04:02:21.819 you all for coming out to share yours I struggle with this 04:02:21.819 --> 04:02:23.200 a little bit for for 04:02:23.200 --> 04:02:26.780 similar reasons that you mentioned when I saw a duplexes is 04:02:26.780 --> 04:02:27.680 going in here 04:02:27.680 --> 04:02:33.270 however with the limitations I think for what can be built 04:02:33.270 --> 04:02:35.159 on the lot with 04:02:35.159 --> 04:02:40.270 hopefully the the forward progress made with the city for 04:02:40.270 --> 04:02:42.239 the park as well as 04:02:42.239 --> 04:02:45.590 the limitations that the development code puts on where the 04:02:45.590 --> 04:02:46.520 duplexes can be 04:02:46.520 --> 04:02:51.739 on the lot I think this can be a very nice development 04:02:51.739 --> 04:02:53.879 going forward if if 04:02:53.879 --> 04:02:56.500 this concept plan actually makes it in their two hundred 04:02:56.500 --> 04:02:57.600 fifty thousand dollars 04:02:57.600 --> 04:03:03.219 a side that will speak to more owner occupants than it does 04:03:03.219 --> 04:03:04.000 to rentals 04:03:04.000 --> 04:03:07.180 because the money factor is not going to make any sense for 04:03:07.180 --> 04:03:08.280 the landlord if they 04:03:08.280 --> 04:03:11.170 spend that kind of money they're not going to make any 04:03:11.170 --> 04:03:13.719 money on a rent so 04:03:13.719 --> 04:03:17.639 those are my thoughts and I will support the motion 04:03:17.639 --> 04:03:21.610 Christian back thank you chair and this is for the people 04:03:21.610 --> 04:03:23.040 who live in the area 04:03:23.040 --> 04:03:26.620 mr. Faulkner don't take it personal but this isn't the last 04:03:26.620 --> 04:03:27.559 step this has to go 04:03:27.559 --> 04:03:31.200 to City Council it has to be approved I mentioned the 20% 04:03:31.200 --> 04:03:34.200 ratio that if you know 04:03:34.200 --> 04:03:37.030 there's strong enough opposition in the surrounding areas 04:03:37.030 --> 04:03:38.920 within the 200 feet if 04:03:38.920 --> 04:03:42.100 you can get them at City Council and amounts to 20% of the 04:03:42.100 --> 04:03:43.440 population they can 04:03:43.440 --> 04:03:48.239 only approve by a super majority vote which would be a six 04:03:48.239 --> 04:03:50.280 to one if so it 04:03:50.280 --> 04:03:57.979 means that it works in your favor if you get six to one no 04:03:57.979 --> 04:04:00.680 no we're talking about 04:04:00.680 --> 04:04:06.569 the area within 200 feet of the area you have to have I'm 04:04:06.569 --> 04:04:08.639 not sure it's 20% 04:04:08.639 --> 04:04:18.399 Haley can you help with that you need a few more yes yeah 04:04:18.399 --> 04:04:19.719 the the 20% is 04:04:19.719 --> 04:04:23.090 calculated based on the land area within this 200 foot 04:04:23.090 --> 04:04:24.319 buffer so within the red 04:04:24.319 --> 04:04:28.690 circle so it would be a large number of properties that 04:04:28.690 --> 04:04:29.719 would have to voice 04:04:29.719 --> 04:04:33.649 opposition either by submitting that in writing to us or 04:04:33.649 --> 04:04:34.319 attending one of the 04:04:34.319 --> 04:04:39.909 meetings to trigger that but even still yeah there's coming 04:04:39.909 --> 04:04:40.360 before the City 04:04:40.360 --> 04:04:45.500 Council again it would be the final now or approval of it 04:04:45.500 --> 04:04:46.879 denial of it so there 04:04:46.879 --> 04:04:55.319 is still one more opportunity so I wanted to before I call 04:04:55.319 --> 04:04:57.000 us to a vote is 04:04:57.000 --> 04:05:01.680 is again thank you all for staying late I wanted to echo 04:05:01.680 --> 04:05:04.860 Commissioner Becks points and what I said earlier there is 04:05:04.860 --> 04:05:05.680 more to this process 04:05:05.680 --> 04:05:10.489 and so stay active and even if the zoning goes through 04:05:10.489 --> 04:05:11.840 council has to 04:05:11.840 --> 04:05:15.020 approve it and then once that's approved then there has to 04:05:15.020 --> 04:05:16.159 be a platting stage 04:05:16.159 --> 04:05:19.950 that that people can articulate into it in terms of my 04:05:19.950 --> 04:05:22.280 opinion on the rezoning I 04:05:22.280 --> 04:05:26.809 think as it stands as an inner to that land is and has not 04:05:26.809 --> 04:05:28.000 been able to be 04:05:28.000 --> 04:05:33.219 developed and I'm for the infill development of this land 04:05:33.219 --> 04:05:34.680 and so I'm in 04:05:34.680 --> 04:05:37.319 support of it in our four because I think it does provide 04:05:37.319 --> 04:05:38.200 the residents in 04:05:38.200 --> 04:05:40.659 that inner four neighborhood a little bit of buffer going 04:05:40.659 --> 04:05:42.200 to that in our six to 04:05:42.200 --> 04:05:46.200 the west I would stay based on the feedback I heard I would 04:05:46.200 --> 04:05:47.120 encourage the 04:05:47.120 --> 04:05:51.049 applicant to see what economic feasibilities you have with 04:05:51.049 --> 04:05:51.600 the density 04:05:51.600 --> 04:05:54.780 credit from the east side property you could you could do 04:05:54.780 --> 04:05:55.920 to give single-family 04:05:55.920 --> 04:05:59.940 homes and hear the feedback of the residents to see if that 04:05:59.940 --> 04:06:00.840 if there is a 04:06:00.840 --> 04:06:03.709 breakeven point that makes sense there but I can appreciate 04:06:03.709 --> 04:06:04.440 the economic 04:06:04.440 --> 04:06:07.809 feasibility of the property in a whole with that said 04:06:07.809 --> 04:06:09.479 though I'd be interested 04:06:09.479 --> 04:06:11.639 to see if there's there's other projects that are feasible 04:06:11.639 --> 04:06:13.079 on that property that 04:06:13.079 --> 04:06:17.809 would fit more in line with what the residents have has a 04:06:17.809 --> 04:06:18.280 how articulated 04:06:18.280 --> 04:06:21.459 tonight but with that I don't see any other discussion so I 04:06:21.459 --> 04:06:22.120 will call for this 04:06:22.120 --> 04:06:39.799 vote on the board motion carries six zero with one absent 04:06:39.799 --> 04:06:42.239 next on the agenda 04:06:42.239 --> 04:06:46.770 is our planning zoning Commission project matrix and I will 04:06:46.770 --> 04:06:47.479 start off 04:06:47.479 --> 04:06:52.340 asking Richard if there's any updates wanted to provide 04:06:52.340 --> 04:06:54.000 just a quick update on 04:06:54.000 --> 04:06:57.180 on the tree code I know we originally talked about bringing 04:06:57.180 --> 04:06:59.799 it back earlier 04:06:59.799 --> 04:07:04.639 for this evening we're still working on those on those 04:07:04.639 --> 04:07:06.239 changes we're going back 04:07:06.239 --> 04:07:09.659 to the Committee on the Environment what had happened as a 04:07:09.659 --> 04:07:10.920 result of the holiday 04:07:10.920 --> 04:07:15.120 that meeting got got moved so we're going back this coming 04:07:15.120 --> 04:07:16.340 Monday and so we 04:07:16.340 --> 04:07:19.520 have made made some revisions some updates based upon the 04:07:19.520 --> 04:07:20.319 input but again 04:07:20.319 --> 04:07:25.540 we still are in the in the drafting stage and we're 04:07:25.540 --> 04:07:26.899 certainly open to open 04:07:26.899 --> 04:07:30.690 to discussion but we are we're moving as swiftly as we can 04:07:30.690 --> 04:07:32.319 on it I think part of 04:07:32.319 --> 04:07:34.790 it when we do come back we didn't get really a chance to 04:07:34.790 --> 04:07:35.479 talk about the 04:07:35.479 --> 04:07:39.059 landscape code and so as we look at canopy and talk about 04:07:39.059 --> 04:07:40.159 canopy there's 04:07:40.159 --> 04:07:42.620 there's multiple components to it that I want to make sure 04:07:42.620 --> 04:07:43.239 that we it doesn't 04:07:43.239 --> 04:07:47.379 just get lost in in with the preservation component 04:07:47.379 --> 04:07:52.239 Christopher Beck thank you chair question I guess first for 04:07:52.239 --> 04:07:53.120 I make a 04:07:53.120 --> 04:07:57.870 second what is the requirement for the orange fencing on 04:07:57.870 --> 04:07:59.079 trees is it supposed 04:07:59.079 --> 04:08:02.870 to be at the drip line tree drip line because if it's not I 04:08:02.870 --> 04:08:04.360 want I've got a 04:08:04.360 --> 04:08:06.440 pull I've got to pull it up but I'll give that I want to 04:08:06.440 --> 04:08:07.280 talk to Haywood but 04:08:07.280 --> 04:08:09.959 I will give that answer okay I'll send it to everybody 04:08:09.959 --> 04:08:11.840 tomorrow if it's not 04:08:11.840 --> 04:08:16.079 my suggestion would be that we push for that because that 04:08:16.079 --> 04:08:18.079 makes sense the loss 04:08:18.079 --> 04:08:21.260 of trees is needless if we get in some right and if it is 04:08:21.260 --> 04:08:22.399 identified on that 04:08:22.399 --> 04:08:26.520 approved tree preservation plan if it is lost they are 04:08:26.520 --> 04:08:28.020 required to right they 04:08:28.020 --> 04:08:33.409 are required to replace it I curse your Alice thank you 04:08:33.409 --> 04:08:34.840 chair bear with me I 04:08:34.840 --> 04:08:39.840 just have a couple here so recently I read an editorial I 04:08:39.840 --> 04:08:41.520 guess it was over 04:08:41.520 --> 04:08:45.059 the weekend about a small business owner who was impacted 04:08:45.059 --> 04:08:46.280 by some construction 04:08:46.280 --> 04:08:48.979 that was happening in front of her business and she got no 04:08:48.979 --> 04:08:49.920 notification of 04:08:49.920 --> 04:08:54.350 that I don't have specifics again it was just an editorial 04:08:54.350 --> 04:08:54.920 she didn't say 04:08:54.920 --> 04:08:58.590 exactly where this was but she mentioned the city and a 04:08:58.590 --> 04:09:00.600 certain developer who 04:09:00.600 --> 04:09:03.690 tore up the sidewalk in front of her business took up most 04:09:03.690 --> 04:09:04.680 of her parking and 04:09:04.680 --> 04:09:08.139 she did not know anything about it so can you get us info 04:09:08.139 --> 04:09:09.239 on what that process 04:09:09.239 --> 04:09:13.290 is for notifying I would hope that we have one and if a 04:09:13.290 --> 04:09:14.719 small business owner 04:09:14.719 --> 04:09:17.500 like that is gonna be impacted they certainly need to be 04:09:17.500 --> 04:09:18.159 able to make 04:09:18.159 --> 04:09:20.690 accommodations for their customers in there or even 04:09:20.690 --> 04:09:22.200 somebody to call right 04:09:22.200 --> 04:09:28.219 right another one is can we address the concerns about the 04:09:28.219 --> 04:09:29.760 notifications today I 04:09:29.760 --> 04:09:34.200 I don't understand why everybody in Regency wouldn't have 04:09:34.200 --> 04:09:35.159 received that 04:09:35.159 --> 04:09:38.770 doesn't make any sense to me but I also I saw a response I 04:09:38.770 --> 04:09:39.879 think it was on one 04:09:39.879 --> 04:09:43.260 of the creek side notifications that they didn't live there 04:09:43.260 --> 04:09:44.280 anymore and they 04:09:44.280 --> 04:09:49.610 hadn't for a year and we sent them a notice so I'm confused 04:09:49.610 --> 04:09:50.639 on that as well 04:09:50.639 --> 04:09:53.590 because we shouldn't have your own I mean they sold their 04:09:53.590 --> 04:09:54.559 property she said 04:09:54.559 --> 04:09:59.620 July of 17 this is August of 18 or September of 18 excuse 04:09:59.620 --> 04:10:01.020 me I'm thinking we 04:10:01.020 --> 04:10:04.750 should have more updated roles than that yeah because we're 04:10:04.750 --> 04:10:05.680 pulling right from 04:10:05.680 --> 04:10:09.200 the from from the crazy and I don't know if there's an easy 04:10:09.200 --> 04:10:12.000 answer to that but 04:10:12.000 --> 04:10:15.719 we've come across the past the county sends over their 04:10:15.719 --> 04:10:16.600 certified tax roll 04:10:16.600 --> 04:10:20.739 once a year in the past it's taken our GIS team a while to 04:10:20.739 --> 04:10:21.479 get our entire 04:10:21.479 --> 04:10:24.659 database updated with that new information so there 04:10:24.659 --> 04:10:25.559 typically is at 04:10:25.559 --> 04:10:30.360 least a year lag time in our addressing which which is an 04:10:30.360 --> 04:10:32.159 issue but it's my 04:10:32.159 --> 04:10:34.780 understanding and maybe Jerry could help with that that we 04:10:34.780 --> 04:10:35.719 are required to use 04:10:35.719 --> 04:10:39.250 the certified tax roll I believe that is a local government 04:10:39.250 --> 04:10:40.520 code requirement so 04:10:40.520 --> 04:10:44.649 so he's not necessarily aware rounded yeah and the 500 foot 04:10:44.649 --> 04:10:45.639 is based on the 04:10:45.639 --> 04:10:48.819 more updated addresses so I'm not sure what the issue was 04:10:48.819 --> 04:10:50.399 with those but we we 04:10:50.399 --> 04:10:52.860 did get the receipt from our mailing service that showed 04:10:52.860 --> 04:10:53.680 they were all mailed 04:10:53.680 --> 04:10:57.340 and it's supposed to go to every current residents not not 04:10:57.340 --> 04:10:58.319 to a certified 04:10:58.319 --> 04:11:04.629 property owner what it's worth Michelle's I this is the 04:11:04.629 --> 04:11:05.079 first time that 04:11:05.079 --> 04:11:09.610 I was in a 500 foot boundary and I don't want to project 04:11:09.610 --> 04:11:11.000 this as anyone else in 04:11:11.000 --> 04:11:13.879 the audience this is just me but when I went to the mail 04:11:13.879 --> 04:11:15.479 and I had two 04:11:15.479 --> 04:11:19.709 periodicals and a lot of junk mail it was very easy to have 04:11:19.709 --> 04:11:20.760 been slipped 04:11:20.760 --> 04:11:23.709 through and so that's not to say we send out a massive one 04:11:23.709 --> 04:11:25.239 or anything but I will 04:11:25.239 --> 04:11:29.040 say if you're not diligently going through your mail I mean 04:11:29.040 --> 04:11:30.680 it's it's 04:11:30.680 --> 04:11:35.540 possible especially if it's not certified I've just got one 04:11:35.540 --> 04:11:36.520 more and that 04:11:36.520 --> 04:11:40.319 is I don't know if the gentleman who he's not here anymore 04:11:40.319 --> 04:11:41.360 but he was annexed 04:11:41.360 --> 04:11:45.549 into the city said and promised services what what what is 04:11:45.549 --> 04:11:46.799 the what I want to know 04:11:46.799 --> 04:11:52.389 is yeah the process on that because he said that was quite 04:11:52.389 --> 04:11:53.159 quite a long time 04:11:53.159 --> 04:11:57.200 ago and I don't think anything's changed on his property 04:11:57.200 --> 04:11:57.959 and I have it I made a 04:11:57.959 --> 04:12:03.000 note to myself to check into that 04:12:07.159 --> 04:12:11.879 definitely like I'll just confirm what Haley said about the 04:12:11.879 --> 04:12:13.159 most recently 04:12:13.159 --> 04:12:19.739 approved tax roll it's in the section 211 007 C of the 04:12:19.739 --> 04:12:20.840 Texas local government 04:12:20.840 --> 04:12:25.219 code and for the purposes of tracking the super majority 04:12:25.219 --> 04:12:26.879 requirement and 04:12:26.879 --> 04:12:30.059 sending out notifications and counting the opposition for 04:12:30.059 --> 04:12:30.799 creating a super 04:12:30.799 --> 04:12:37.479 majority that's what's required but that can only be 04:12:37.479 --> 04:12:40.479 updated just once a year 04:12:40.479 --> 04:12:43.840 yeah well it's whenever they do it it says the most 04:12:43.840 --> 04:12:45.239 recently approved 04:12:45.239 --> 04:12:49.049 municipal tax roll of real property within 200 feet of the 04:12:49.049 --> 04:12:50.920 property and I 04:12:50.920 --> 04:12:56.510 don't I assume that they would do that once a year if I 04:12:56.510 --> 04:12:59.520 could just add one more 04:12:59.520 --> 04:13:02.879 I don't want to take Julie's thunder for her her boot camp 04:13:02.879 --> 04:13:03.879 slide when we when we 04:13:03.879 --> 04:13:08.079 get to it on notifications with it with the 200 foot 04:13:08.079 --> 04:13:10.360 notification we have again 04:13:10.360 --> 04:13:13.959 like a lot of things in our department we're continuing to 04:13:13.959 --> 04:13:16.120 evolve and we have 04:13:16.120 --> 04:13:19.719 changed those notices at least the information that's going 04:13:19.719 --> 04:13:20.159 out we're 04:13:20.159 --> 04:13:23.149 obviously still providing what's being done but also being 04:13:23.149 --> 04:13:24.120 a little bit more 04:13:24.120 --> 04:13:29.540 explicit about exactly what's being done not so so there's 04:13:29.540 --> 04:13:31.200 been a concern as you 04:13:31.200 --> 04:13:34.670 see saw with I think with the car wash where people are 04:13:34.670 --> 04:13:35.680 invited to come to a 04:13:35.680 --> 04:13:38.299 public hearing and in their mind they have an idea of what 04:13:38.299 --> 04:13:39.120 that what can be 04:13:39.120 --> 04:13:42.879 voted on but in turn it's something different and so we're 04:13:42.879 --> 04:13:44.200 in the process of 04:13:44.200 --> 04:13:47.930 that was something that that that was requested at council 04:13:47.930 --> 04:13:49.000 and it was a good 04:13:49.000 --> 04:13:52.579 idea so we are continually to adjust that and better inform 04:13:52.579 --> 04:13:54.440 the citizens just 04:13:54.440 --> 04:13:57.399 wanted to provide that update 04:13:59.840 --> 04:14:04.819 anyone else fantastic with that I will close the public 04:14:04.819 --> 04:14:05.559 hearing or the work 04:14:05.559 --> 04:14:08.889 session whatever this planning and zoning Commission 04:14:08.889 --> 04:14:10.440 meeting at 936 thank 04:14:10.440 --> 04:14:12.479 you