1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,990 for Wednesday September 12th it is 5.03 we'll get started 2 00:00:04,990 --> 00:00:07,320 with the agenda the 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,839 first items up for discussion would be a clarification of 4 00:00:10,839 --> 00:00:11,900 the agenda items 5 00:00:11,900 --> 00:00:18,230 Richard do you have anything to clarify yes just on on the 6 00:00:18,230 --> 00:00:19,879 consent item number 7 00:00:19,879 --> 00:00:27,719 2 2c this is the final plat it's the woodlands edition they 8 00:00:27,719 --> 00:00:28,399 requested that 9 00:00:28,399 --> 00:00:32,789 this item be postponed to a later date there's some my 10 00:00:32,789 --> 00:00:34,560 understanding is there's 11 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,159 some issues with a leasehold interest in the property that 12 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:37,960 they want to get 13 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:42,039 worked out prior prior to this moving forward 14 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:49,960 we're good the only other about moving the yeah go for it 15 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:54,399 moving item 3b to 3a 16 00:00:54,399 --> 00:01:01,590 just a suggestion since it's a 3b to become 3a prior to the 17 00:01:01,590 --> 00:01:04,120 rezoning request 18 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:13,159 since it's fairly they will go to be a to go to be perfect 19 00:01:13,159 --> 00:01:15,159 yeah that'll help 20 00:01:15,159 --> 00:01:20,379 those people maybe not have to wait next is the consent 21 00:01:20,379 --> 00:01:22,120 agenda does anyone have 22 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:26,959 any questions on either one it's probably worth pointing 23 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,920 out that item 2a is being 24 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,510 discussed in length in the public hearing so we want to if 25 00:01:33,510 --> 00:01:34,079 you have any 26 00:01:34,079 --> 00:01:39,959 questions on that be prudent to have that squared away 27 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,920 yep 28 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:50,200 Mr. Ellis thank you chair yeah I guess my question yeah is 29 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:50,840 relevant to that 30 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:55,829 because with the preliminary plat in the write-up that that 31 00:01:55,829 --> 00:01:58,040 is with the a esa it 32 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,519 talks about two entries off of Country Club Road but I only 33 00:02:01,519 --> 00:02:02,400 saw one on the 34 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:07,519 prelim plat am I missing one am I just not seeing it no you 35 00:02:07,519 --> 00:02:09,280 are correct the 36 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,000 preliminary plat it's been through sorry that's the 37 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,080 incorrect one it has been 38 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,639 through a couple of renditions we've settled on this one 39 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:17,520 point of access on 40 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,129 Country Club the second point of access for emergency 41 00:02:20,129 --> 00:02:21,240 services will be this 42 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:25,240 connection to Meadowlands okay so it's just one access off 43 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:26,039 of correct okay 44 00:02:26,039 --> 00:02:29,620 understood thank you no there will be a temporary 45 00:02:29,620 --> 00:02:30,879 construction access I believe 46 00:02:30,879 --> 00:02:34,060 here where the existing driveway is for phase one 47 00:02:34,060 --> 00:02:36,159 construction this phase two is 48 00:02:36,159 --> 00:02:39,400 pending the ultimate alignment of a Country Club Road with 49 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:40,319 which text on is 50 00:02:40,319 --> 00:02:43,400 coordinating at this point in time 51 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,259 is the only question to see for that does anyone have any 52 00:02:49,259 --> 00:02:51,280 questions on to be 53 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:55,879 as that's also under Haley 54 00:02:59,919 --> 00:03:03,560 perfect thank you very much Haley that gets us going to the 55 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,840 public hearings 56 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:10,009 we'll start with the updated version starting with the new 57 00:03:10,009 --> 00:03:11,120 3a the final 58 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:20,439 replat fr 18 0005 that is Cindy Jackson 59 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:39,379 okay this is a request to replat a lot in into two lots the 60 00:03:39,379 --> 00:03:41,360 site is located in 61 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:45,879 the city's extraterritorial jurisdiction or ETJ the purpose 62 00:03:45,879 --> 00:03:46,120 of the 63 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:51,710 replat is to subdivide lot 1r into two lots this is one of 64 00:03:51,710 --> 00:03:52,919 the lots and the 65 00:03:52,919 --> 00:03:56,289 other one is the remainder of the site with this not 66 00:03:56,289 --> 00:03:58,120 connect this connects the 67 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:05,129 two sides the site is located on the west side of Hilltop 68 00:04:05,129 --> 00:04:06,680 Road and it meets 69 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,639 all the requirements of the subdivision plot subdivision 70 00:04:10,639 --> 00:04:11,360 requirements and we 71 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:18,279 recommend approval any questions for Cindy 72 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:26,990 perfect thank you very much Cindy that moves us to 3b the 73 00:04:26,990 --> 00:04:30,160 zoning item z 18 20a 74 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,680 which is also Cindy Jackson 75 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:53,970 okay this request is a city initiated zoning request I 76 00:04:53,970 --> 00:04:57,600 placed at your each of 77 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,819 you received a copy of all the property owner responses 78 00:05:00,819 --> 00:05:02,040 that we received as a 79 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,620 result of the notification one of them the very last one is 80 00:05:05,620 --> 00:05:06,639 not located within 81 00:05:06,639 --> 00:05:10,639 the 200 foot notification buffer it was not counted as a 82 00:05:10,639 --> 00:05:13,399 percentage against the 83 00:05:13,399 --> 00:05:18,829 request however I included it with your copies for 84 00:05:18,829 --> 00:05:22,279 information okay z 18 20 85 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:26,689 Creekside is a request to make a recommendation to the City 86 00:05:26,689 --> 00:05:27,360 Council 87 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,649 regarding an initial zoning designation of neighborhood 88 00:05:30,649 --> 00:05:32,079 residential 3 and our 89 00:05:32,079 --> 00:05:37,470 three on approximately 47.466 acres which you can see right 90 00:05:37,470 --> 00:05:39,160 here the property is 91 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:44,579 located between Ryan Road to the north and Creekdale view 92 00:05:44,579 --> 00:05:45,879 down here to the 93 00:05:45,879 --> 00:05:52,839 south this site was the subject of a pre annexation 94 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:54,439 development agreement that 95 00:05:54,439 --> 00:05:59,860 was approved by the City Council in 2016 its ordinance 2016 96 00:05:59,860 --> 00:06:02,560 - 215 this what I'm 97 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:06,560 calling the Pata this govern the sequence of development 98 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,680 for this site it 99 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:13,029 contains in addition to containing a schedule for each each 100 00:06:13,029 --> 00:06:13,680 phase of 101 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,240 entitlement it also contains land use and development 102 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:22,639 standards the plot for 103 00:06:22,639 --> 00:06:27,050 the site was approved on March 21st 2018 and the site was 104 00:06:27,050 --> 00:06:28,399 recently annexed into 105 00:06:28,399 --> 00:06:34,800 the city just just a few weeks ago I think it was 106 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:39,459 mr. Beck thank you chair Cindy it's just dawning on me we 107 00:06:39,459 --> 00:06:40,439 've dealt with this 108 00:06:40,439 --> 00:06:46,439 already and in the opposition to it so we approved a plan 109 00:06:46,439 --> 00:06:47,800 before it was zone 110 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:55,480 yep I'll get to that okay the site has 137 residential lots 111 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:56,839 with the density of 112 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,629 2.9 dwelling units per acre which complies with the nr3 113 00:07:00,629 --> 00:07:01,600 zoning that is 114 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:06,399 requested the Pata complaint contains robust development 115 00:07:06,399 --> 00:07:07,480 standards that exceed 116 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,009 what we have currently in our dent and development code and 117 00:07:11,009 --> 00:07:12,560 our requirements 118 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,079 with regards to such things as traffic impact fees 119 00:07:16,079 --> 00:07:17,600 typically a traffic impact 120 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,069 fee for something this this size would be three thousand 121 00:07:20,069 --> 00:07:21,120 four hundred and twenty 122 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:25,980 three thousand four hundred and two dollars and you can see 123 00:07:25,980 --> 00:07:26,839 it right now I'm 124 00:07:26,839 --> 00:07:31,430 sorry and we have tree preservation standards typical right 125 00:07:31,430 --> 00:07:32,560 now we require 126 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:37,220 20% the as a result of the requirements of the Pata the 127 00:07:37,220 --> 00:07:38,680 applicant is actually 128 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:44,490 preserving 76% is required to preserve 76% of the diameter 129 00:07:44,490 --> 00:07:48,439 inches and 82% of 130 00:07:48,439 --> 00:07:54,029 all trees is what is being preserved right now you can see 131 00:07:54,029 --> 00:07:55,480 the preservation 132 00:07:55,480 --> 00:08:01,639 areas right along here and along the southern boundary as 133 00:08:01,639 --> 00:08:03,399 well as this is not 134 00:08:03,399 --> 00:08:06,920 this is the boundary line and you can see that there's 135 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:07,839 further tree 136 00:08:07,839 --> 00:08:12,529 preservation proposed for the remaining two tracts of land 137 00:08:12,529 --> 00:08:14,680 that are in included 138 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,800 in the Pata however they are not the subject of tonight's 139 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,879 discussion here is 140 00:08:22,879 --> 00:08:27,009 table showing the total trees that were required to be 141 00:08:27,009 --> 00:08:28,040 preserved trees 142 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:33,120 preserved trees removed percent preserved is eighty one 143 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:33,519 point nine 144 00:08:33,519 --> 00:08:38,230 percent total inches of trees on this side is ten thousand 145 00:08:38,230 --> 00:08:39,120 five hundred and 146 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,399 twenty point eight they preserved eight thousand twenty 147 00:08:42,399 --> 00:08:43,679 seven point eight inches 148 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:51,190 and removed twenty four hundred and ninety three percent 149 00:08:51,190 --> 00:08:55,279 preserved is seventy six point three percent 150 00:08:56,519 --> 00:09:00,539 now we'll get to your question the typical sequence of 151 00:09:00,539 --> 00:09:03,600 development is first 152 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,980 we annex then we zone the property then we get site plan 153 00:09:07,980 --> 00:09:09,639 approval then we do 154 00:09:09,639 --> 00:09:13,919 preliminary and final plot per the Pata we did the pre 155 00:09:13,919 --> 00:09:15,399 annexation development 156 00:09:15,399 --> 00:09:20,019 agreement we did a concept plan a site plan a preliminary 157 00:09:20,019 --> 00:09:22,279 and final plot then 158 00:09:22,279 --> 00:09:25,059 annexation that were required to come in and apply for 159 00:09:25,059 --> 00:09:26,480 annexation within ten days 160 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,200 after the approval of the final plot and the final step is 161 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:31,960 zoning which is where 162 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:39,919 we are tonight the current zoning is already 5x as you can 163 00:09:39,919 --> 00:09:40,679 see on this slide 164 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:47,309 and the proposed zoning is nr3 the nr3 presents a effective 165 00:09:47,309 --> 00:09:48,240 transition and 166 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:55,059 buffer between the nr4 to the south and west and the nr2 to 167 00:09:55,059 --> 00:09:58,039 the north staff sent 168 00:09:58,039 --> 00:10:01,379 legal notices has put a legal notice in the newspaper we 169 00:10:01,379 --> 00:10:03,200 sent out 96 notices 170 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:08,169 via certified mail and 192 courtesy notices via regular 171 00:10:08,169 --> 00:10:10,000 mail we received six 172 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,929 notices in response representing three percent of the 173 00:10:13,929 --> 00:10:15,440 property located within 174 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,250 that the 200 foot boundary and you can see them in red here 175 00:10:18,250 --> 00:10:19,000 some of them are 176 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:23,070 hard to see because they're just little slivers of land on 177 00:10:23,070 --> 00:10:24,480 the edge and we 178 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,419 received one from outside the 200 foot boundary which I 179 00:10:27,419 --> 00:10:29,799 also included we posted 180 00:10:29,799 --> 00:10:34,529 three notification signs we recommend approval of this 181 00:10:34,529 --> 00:10:36,039 request as it is 182 00:10:36,039 --> 00:10:39,000 compatible with the surrounding property is consistent with 183 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:39,960 the requirements set 184 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,139 forth in and is consistent with the requirements set forth 185 00:10:43,139 --> 00:10:43,600 in the pre 186 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,679 annexation agreement ordinance number 2016 - two one five 187 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,320 and that concludes my 188 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:58,440 presentation Chris are back make sure go back to the Google 189 00:10:58,440 --> 00:10:59,759 there the little 190 00:10:59,759 --> 00:11:03,990 extension that you called it a buffer this extent this 191 00:11:03,990 --> 00:11:06,559 right here yes there's 192 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,740 no I've actually there's a buffer here and a buffer here 193 00:11:09,740 --> 00:11:10,480 you see the existing 194 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:15,159 trees right this is if you if it has been planted as a 195 00:11:15,159 --> 00:11:16,600 street okay that's what 196 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,389 I was and so there is going to be access out of that new 197 00:11:20,389 --> 00:11:21,960 subdivision to the south 198 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:26,490 that will connect to okay not just on Ryan no yeah okay 199 00:11:26,490 --> 00:11:31,879 thank you any other 200 00:11:31,879 --> 00:11:36,990 questions so I have I have one question and maybe Richard 201 00:11:36,990 --> 00:11:38,200 or legal can help me 202 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:44,080 process this the the reverse of procedures is that kind of 203 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:44,639 neutering our 204 00:11:44,639 --> 00:11:47,320 ability to make a decision here is it a foregone conclusion 205 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:48,039 that we have to 206 00:11:48,039 --> 00:11:50,899 approve this or what happens if we don't approve this if 207 00:11:50,899 --> 00:11:52,039 the Commission deems 208 00:11:52,039 --> 00:11:54,570 that it should be in our - not in our three as the 209 00:11:54,570 --> 00:11:56,600 neighboring neighborhood is 210 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,490 directly to the West it's an inner to neighborhood at the 211 00:11:59,490 --> 00:12:01,480 north what happens 212 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,340 here has there been a protection to the applicant of some 213 00:12:04,340 --> 00:12:05,919 sort of promise that 214 00:12:05,919 --> 00:12:08,870 they will get zoned this way or I'm just curious about our 215 00:12:08,870 --> 00:12:10,120 actual power and 216 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:15,549 making a recommendation here yeah the only statement in the 217 00:12:15,549 --> 00:12:16,320 development 218 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:21,539 agreement is that the city will pursue or initiate a rez 219 00:12:21,539 --> 00:12:22,879 oning for this 220 00:12:22,879 --> 00:12:29,309 particular zoning classification and that the applicant or 221 00:12:29,309 --> 00:12:30,720 the developer will 222 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:36,309 not object to that as an initial zoning it doesn't say the 223 00:12:36,309 --> 00:12:37,840 the the city can't by 224 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,769 contract establish any particular zoning classification it 225 00:12:41,769 --> 00:12:42,679 still has to go 226 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,309 through the process it still has to receive a 227 00:12:45,309 --> 00:12:47,080 recommendation and it still 228 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,679 has to go forward to counsel for approval just like any 229 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:51,879 other zoning case 230 00:12:51,879 --> 00:12:57,799 and so that that I and I did have in here mark when it was 231 00:12:57,799 --> 00:12:59,120 referred to as a 232 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:04,000 sequence of entitlements I you know I I don't think that a 233 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,600 development agreement 234 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:10,320 can properly create an entitlement to a particular zoning 235 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,120 it promises that the 236 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:16,129 city will initiate a case to rezone it to this particular 237 00:13:16,129 --> 00:13:17,480 zoning classification 238 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:24,440 I appreciate that can you help me Cindy you might know or 239 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:25,039 Richard might be 240 00:13:25,039 --> 00:13:27,629 shed light why they wouldn't go ahead and make sure his 241 00:13:27,629 --> 00:13:28,440 zoning gets approved 242 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,299 before doing this was this an efficiency question it seems 243 00:13:31,299 --> 00:13:32,519 like they did a lot of 244 00:13:32,519 --> 00:13:35,889 work with a question still lingering that I'm not sure 245 00:13:35,889 --> 00:13:37,960 because it was it was 2016 246 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,590 the only the only thing I could venture to guess is the the 247 00:13:41,590 --> 00:13:42,639 plat happened to be 248 00:13:42,639 --> 00:13:47,190 approved prior to annexation so that even if the zoning I 249 00:13:47,190 --> 00:13:48,419 guess is denied they 250 00:13:48,419 --> 00:13:51,659 do have a plot that was approved prior to annexing into the 251 00:13:51,659 --> 00:13:53,600 city right I was 252 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,059 not the planner that worked on this I wasn't involved in 253 00:13:56,059 --> 00:13:58,759 the least I think what 254 00:13:58,759 --> 00:14:00,899 Richard said is correct it could be that when they 255 00:14:00,899 --> 00:14:02,279 submitted an application for a 256 00:14:02,279 --> 00:14:05,100 plot it was discovered they had a non annexation agreement 257 00:14:05,100 --> 00:14:06,000 on the site which 258 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,409 it did and for the non annexation agreement when you 259 00:14:09,409 --> 00:14:11,080 develop the site you 260 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,379 have to annex into the city prior to development so they 261 00:14:14,379 --> 00:14:16,440 worked out this this 262 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,970 agreement this way and and the the pre annexation 263 00:14:19,970 --> 00:14:21,639 development agreement that is 264 00:14:21,639 --> 00:14:28,759 a codified like pathway actually a non annexation agreement 265 00:14:28,759 --> 00:14:30,759 okay I'm sorry the 266 00:14:30,759 --> 00:14:36,179 the pre annexation agreement is not codified there there is 267 00:14:36,179 --> 00:14:37,279 in the Texas 268 00:14:37,279 --> 00:14:39,440 local government code a provision for a non annexation 269 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:40,399 agreement which what I 270 00:14:40,399 --> 00:14:43,809 thought you were asking about but I guess to put a little 271 00:14:43,809 --> 00:14:44,840 bit sharper point 272 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,019 on the question about the sequencing the city actually 273 00:14:48,019 --> 00:14:49,240 cannot initiate zoning 274 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,830 until the property is annexed because it has no 275 00:14:52,830 --> 00:14:55,919 jurisdiction for zoning until or 276 00:14:55,919 --> 00:14:58,809 unless the properties within the city limits and this was 277 00:14:58,809 --> 00:14:59,879 the majority of work 278 00:14:59,879 --> 00:15:03,480 was done prior to the annexation that's correct I got you I 279 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:04,399 think commissioner 280 00:15:04,399 --> 00:15:07,580 Ellis and then Commissioner Beck thank you sure well it's 281 00:15:07,580 --> 00:15:08,240 along the same line 282 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:12,169 of what we're discussing so who decide how did we get to a 283 00:15:12,169 --> 00:15:13,679 final plat before we 284 00:15:13,679 --> 00:15:18,200 had an annex property and how to what who decides a pre 285 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:19,679 annexation development 286 00:15:19,679 --> 00:15:22,269 agreement I mean is that just how you got out of it because 287 00:15:22,269 --> 00:15:23,159 we had a final plat 288 00:15:23,159 --> 00:15:30,159 I'm confused how we go out of the typical sequence of 289 00:15:30,159 --> 00:15:30,159 development I 290 00:15:30,159 --> 00:15:34,240 understand and I really I'm not sure my thinking is since 291 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:35,799 they had already had 292 00:15:35,799 --> 00:15:40,429 the site designed and they had a a plat submitted this is 293 00:15:40,429 --> 00:15:42,080 theoretical if they 294 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,559 already had submitted what they what staff and the 295 00:15:45,559 --> 00:15:46,399 applicant might have done 296 00:15:46,399 --> 00:15:51,009 was work out a situation where we can get the a bigger 297 00:15:51,009 --> 00:15:53,200 bigger bang for this by 298 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:58,620 having them agree to standards that are above and beyond 299 00:15:58,620 --> 00:16:00,080 what we require in 300 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,759 exchange for okay we'll approve this plot but you need to 301 00:16:02,759 --> 00:16:03,919 go through these steps 302 00:16:03,919 --> 00:16:08,440 too in order for us to approve this plot right but I mean 303 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:09,360 it wasn't a surprise 304 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:14,470 that it wasn't you know in the city limits at the time so 305 00:16:14,470 --> 00:16:14,559 well you'd be 306 00:16:14,559 --> 00:16:20,149 surprised the the the property that has pre annexation I 307 00:16:20,149 --> 00:16:21,559 mean non annexation 308 00:16:21,559 --> 00:16:27,210 agreements we've had several instances where the somebody a 309 00:16:27,210 --> 00:16:28,360 developer comes 310 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,250 forward and offers to purchase it and and they come to us 311 00:16:31,250 --> 00:16:32,360 and we're like well 312 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,940 no you've got a there there is this non annexation 313 00:16:35,940 --> 00:16:37,840 agreement on here this is 314 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,440 what you're gonna have to do and in this instance and I'm 315 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:41,320 not sure why because I 316 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:46,039 wouldn't involved they decided to do this development 317 00:16:46,039 --> 00:16:47,080 agreement which 318 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:53,149 resulted in higher standards of design standards have we 319 00:16:53,149 --> 00:16:54,639 done pre annexation 320 00:16:54,639 --> 00:16:59,240 development agreements in the past does anyone know my 321 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:00,080 understanding this is the 322 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:04,079 only one that I'm aware of that was done in 2016 I know the 323 00:17:04,079 --> 00:17:04,920 applicant you know 324 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:06,839 will be at the meeting that could address some of the 325 00:17:06,839 --> 00:17:07,519 questions as to how 326 00:17:07,519 --> 00:17:11,869 how it sort of developed at that time prior to the prior to 327 00:17:11,869 --> 00:17:12,759 the the non 328 00:17:12,759 --> 00:17:18,349 annexation agreement expiring it just is odd because as 329 00:17:18,349 --> 00:17:19,599 chair said it's almost 330 00:17:19,599 --> 00:17:23,039 like we kind of have to we've gotten this far we've got a 331 00:17:23,039 --> 00:17:24,200 final plat the only 332 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,400 way the final plaque can be done is if we have this zoning 333 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:28,160 I mean otherwise 334 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:31,640 it's not gonna work yeah in this in this instance because 335 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:33,720 we do have we do still 336 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:38,039 have authority within the ETJ for final plat approval and 337 00:17:38,039 --> 00:17:39,720 so that's that's what 338 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,970 I'm again venturing to guess was the premise behind having 339 00:17:42,970 --> 00:17:44,000 it go having it 340 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:48,930 go before this if I if I could reword that if I understand 341 00:17:48,930 --> 00:17:49,480 what you're saying 342 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,940 correctly is there was a non-exation agreement that needed 343 00:17:51,940 --> 00:17:52,680 to be expired but 344 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,690 they were able to get some work done leading up to that 345 00:17:54,690 --> 00:17:56,079 expiration so they 346 00:17:56,079 --> 00:17:59,720 were kind of able to burn the candle while waiting for that 347 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:00,319 annexation to 348 00:18:00,319 --> 00:18:04,980 happen this annexation agreement the the the the PADA was 349 00:18:04,980 --> 00:18:06,359 approved in September 350 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:11,779 that same month September of 2016 that same month the non 351 00:18:11,779 --> 00:18:12,880 annexation agreement 352 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:17,839 was set to expire okay okay Chris you're back thank you 353 00:18:17,839 --> 00:18:19,279 chair kind of back to your 354 00:18:19,279 --> 00:18:24,059 question if what option do we have here if I mean they 355 00:18:24,059 --> 00:18:25,640 obviously the preliminary 356 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,859 and final class was set up for an NR3 but if we say do we 357 00:18:28,859 --> 00:18:29,759 have the option to 358 00:18:29,759 --> 00:18:34,079 say no we'll agree to an NR2 then they'd have to go back 359 00:18:34,079 --> 00:18:35,799 and do preliminary and 360 00:18:35,799 --> 00:18:39,730 final plants do we have that option that's one question and 361 00:18:39,730 --> 00:18:40,920 if we do and 362 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,240 agree to do that then they'd have to go back through the 363 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,200 process is that correct 364 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:53,299 well I know that if they have a plat that doesn't do what 365 00:18:53,299 --> 00:18:55,240 they intend to do 366 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,819 you know or what they can legally do under whatever zoning 367 00:18:58,819 --> 00:18:59,920 they ultimately 368 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:03,670 wind up with then they're not going to be allowed to build 369 00:19:03,670 --> 00:19:05,720 under that plat but 370 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,430 and they're going to have to pursue some other option but I 371 00:19:09,430 --> 00:19:10,799 think the whole point 372 00:19:10,799 --> 00:19:13,980 of the pre annexation development agreement and I wasn't 373 00:19:13,980 --> 00:19:14,799 involved in it 374 00:19:14,799 --> 00:19:17,759 either I and I don't know the history of it I'm kind of in 375 00:19:17,759 --> 00:19:18,839 the same position that 376 00:19:18,839 --> 00:19:22,849 the planning staff is in but looking at it just kind of 377 00:19:22,849 --> 00:19:24,559 from the outside in it 378 00:19:24,559 --> 00:19:29,450 looks like it was an effort to legally do what the 379 00:19:29,450 --> 00:19:32,240 expectations were a lot of 380 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:36,309 people are saying you know gee can we can we zone this at 381 00:19:36,309 --> 00:19:37,200 the time of 382 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:41,509 annexation well technically you can't you can't you can't 383 00:19:41,509 --> 00:19:42,759 zone until after the 384 00:19:42,759 --> 00:19:48,720 property is annexed but you know with with the idea of 385 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,079 pursuing this you know 386 00:19:51,079 --> 00:19:56,200 it's at least one way of going after this again the city's 387 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:56,920 obligation with 388 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:00,420 regard to zoning is not to guarantee any particular zoning 389 00:20:00,420 --> 00:20:01,279 goes in but to 390 00:20:01,279 --> 00:20:06,170 initiate the case and if that causes problem well at least 391 00:20:06,170 --> 00:20:07,480 the city kept this 392 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:12,900 end of the bargain but you know clearly you know all non 393 00:20:12,900 --> 00:20:14,079 annexation agreements 394 00:20:14,079 --> 00:20:17,000 are pre annexation development agreements I mean that's 395 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:17,359 that's that's 396 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,920 their structure they're all pre annexation development 397 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:20,359 groups they were 398 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,539 just pre annexation development agreements that provide 399 00:20:23,539 --> 00:20:24,000 that any 400 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,180 development that you do was going to be agricultural in 401 00:20:27,180 --> 00:20:28,480 nature and that if you do 402 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:33,039 anything other than agricultural you come in to the city as 403 00:20:33,039 --> 00:20:34,119 a voluntary 404 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,910 annexation that's part of the terms you could you could 405 00:20:37,910 --> 00:20:39,559 prescribe uses of land 406 00:20:39,559 --> 00:20:43,759 in a pre annexation development agreement which this did 407 00:20:43,759 --> 00:20:45,140 but that you 408 00:20:45,140 --> 00:20:49,930 cannot promise by contract you cannot promise you know a 409 00:20:49,930 --> 00:20:51,640 particular zoning 410 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:57,109 classification you know as the city seems like for good 411 00:20:57,109 --> 00:20:57,200 reason to me too 412 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:01,640 because I'm not saying I have a problem with the nr3 they 413 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,019 've got some good 414 00:21:03,019 --> 00:21:05,490 buffers here and everything but we've obviously got some 415 00:21:05,490 --> 00:21:06,079 concerns by the 416 00:21:06,079 --> 00:21:09,539 surrounding neighborhoods and I understand that but it's we 417 00:21:09,539 --> 00:21:10,359 come into 418 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,160 this with our hands tied almost and that's unusual that's 419 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:14,519 what bothers me 420 00:21:14,519 --> 00:21:18,839 you know so I don't want to go back and say no we're not 421 00:21:18,839 --> 00:21:19,000 gonna do anything in our two 422 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:23,599 just to just to show them but hopefully we won't face this 423 00:21:23,599 --> 00:21:24,519 in the future I 424 00:21:24,519 --> 00:21:28,160 listen this is weird but I wanted to see what our options 425 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:29,519 were there I said 426 00:21:29,519 --> 00:21:33,049 unless you said to that you know any non-accession 427 00:21:33,049 --> 00:21:34,640 agreement anticipates 428 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:39,630 zoning and I agree but zoning first then plants you know 429 00:21:39,630 --> 00:21:40,319 and this has been 430 00:21:40,319 --> 00:21:44,079 reversed here so right yeah and I suspect that it was an 431 00:21:44,079 --> 00:21:45,720 effort to try to 432 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:51,319 accommodate a desired development and use in a manner that 433 00:21:51,319 --> 00:21:52,920 that staff assumed 434 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:57,349 would be non-controversial as proposed and so you know I 435 00:21:57,349 --> 00:21:58,519 doubt that there's any 436 00:21:58,519 --> 00:22:02,240 kind of intent to tying one's hands here again speaking 437 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:03,559 from position of ignorance 438 00:22:03,559 --> 00:22:08,779 but it was it was an effort to put that into place it 439 00:22:08,779 --> 00:22:10,279 obviously was approved the 440 00:22:10,279 --> 00:22:17,099 City Council did approve the agreement and so you know by 441 00:22:17,099 --> 00:22:18,400 all appearances it 442 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:23,000 appeared that the city had no problems with this 443 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,910 Michelle's thank you chair well I guess I mean I guess just 444 00:22:27,910 --> 00:22:28,880 my final thought on 445 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,180 that is I mean it does feel like our hands are tied with 446 00:22:32,180 --> 00:22:33,440 the typical order 447 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,960 which is over there and the order we're dealing with over 448 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,440 here and again I don't 449 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:42,599 know that it's a terrible fit either it just feels wrong 450 00:22:42,599 --> 00:22:44,960 and it would be my hope 451 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:49,769 that we don't do this again and we do an order that makes 452 00:22:49,769 --> 00:22:51,359 sense because this 453 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,680 order doesn't make sense to me 454 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,519 Christian back thank you sure one of the thing I guess too 455 00:23:00,519 --> 00:23:03,160 that the surrounding 456 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,500 neighborhoods concerned about is the added traffic and we 457 00:23:06,500 --> 00:23:07,559 discussed that when 458 00:23:07,559 --> 00:23:10,859 we were dealing with the site plans and and understood 459 00:23:10,859 --> 00:23:13,359 their concerns so I could 460 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:18,950 see why and I don't know if it would appease them but a 461 00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:20,319 less dense zoning 462 00:23:20,319 --> 00:23:23,269 district you know might all sit some of that traffic 463 00:23:23,269 --> 00:23:24,319 probably not enough to make 464 00:23:24,319 --> 00:23:27,799 a big difference but anyway that was just a thought I had 465 00:23:27,799 --> 00:23:29,240 out there throwing 466 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,980 the mix I do want to point out that the applicant has 467 00:23:33,980 --> 00:23:35,960 actually 468 00:23:36,759 --> 00:23:41,609 anticipated that traffic is somewhat and the traffic impact 469 00:23:41,609 --> 00:23:43,200 fees that were paid 470 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:48,619 for this property are forty three hundred dollars per unit 471 00:23:48,619 --> 00:23:49,519 this is greater 472 00:23:49,519 --> 00:23:53,839 than the twenty five hundred dollars per unit required by 473 00:23:53,839 --> 00:23:55,440 the DC and the impact 474 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,640 fee ordinance the traffic engineering is in the process of 475 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:00,920 conducting trip counts 476 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,720 right now along Ryan Road because they are aware of the 477 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:04,920 situation as well and 478 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,730 we've got other developments coming in that will impact it 479 00:24:08,730 --> 00:24:10,079 and funding for the 480 00:24:10,079 --> 00:24:13,890 an update to the mobility plan so that we can pursue the 481 00:24:13,890 --> 00:24:15,359 improvements of Ryan 482 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,309 Road was approved by council last night and they are 483 00:24:18,309 --> 00:24:19,880 actively working towards 484 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:27,140 trying to alleviate the situation so senior final words 485 00:24:27,140 --> 00:24:29,400 from myself I'm glad 486 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,859 you brought up traffic that's good to hear because I live 487 00:24:31,859 --> 00:24:32,599 in the general 488 00:24:32,599 --> 00:24:37,269 vicinity of the area and I got peppered with questions two 489 00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:39,359 of them namely one is 490 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,859 when are we gonna get a light at Ryan Road in 1830 that 491 00:24:42,859 --> 00:24:43,880 seems to be a large 492 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,809 concern of those residents and then traffic on on Ryan was 493 00:24:47,809 --> 00:24:48,759 concerned so 494 00:24:48,759 --> 00:24:52,450 hopefully the updated mobility plan can can allocate some 495 00:24:52,450 --> 00:24:53,799 resources there and 496 00:24:53,799 --> 00:24:57,019 then their impact fees can immediately go towards and I 497 00:24:57,019 --> 00:24:58,240 know the the light at 498 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,720 1830 has text dot implications so I get that but but 499 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:02,359 hopefully you can get that 500 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:07,579 going the other question I got over and over a dozen times 501 00:25:07,579 --> 00:25:09,240 was how did someone 502 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,420 start construction before his own and so we're talking here 503 00:25:12,420 --> 00:25:13,119 about kind of having 504 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,809 our hands tied which I do get I'm not necessarily opposed 505 00:25:15,809 --> 00:25:16,640 the inner three 506 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,529 either but the sequence is like it's a foregone conclusion 507 00:25:19,529 --> 00:25:20,680 here but moreover to 508 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,160 the citizens they were highly confused how it's happening 509 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:24,799 in our city that 510 00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:28,250 construction started before a zoning happened so I had a 511 00:25:28,250 --> 00:25:29,960 lot of questions say 512 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,430 hey why are you just not doing zoning if it's already been 513 00:25:32,430 --> 00:25:33,279 approved and then my 514 00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:36,460 narrative back to them was equally confusing to say well it 515 00:25:36,460 --> 00:25:37,279 's it's already 516 00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:40,650 kind of predetermined that they will get a and so I didn't 517 00:25:40,650 --> 00:25:41,920 feel too confident in 518 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,849 my response yeah so I kind of echo Commissioner Ellis's 519 00:25:45,849 --> 00:25:46,599 point that we 520 00:25:46,599 --> 00:25:50,400 should maybe not look to do these it seems rare but if we 521 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:51,839 do maybe look to 522 00:25:51,839 --> 00:25:55,079 have special messaging or something because there's just a 523 00:25:55,079 --> 00:25:56,039 lot of confusion 524 00:25:56,039 --> 00:25:59,299 of how they could have excavators on property and then get 525 00:25:59,299 --> 00:25:59,880 a zoning 526 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:02,769 notification you know three weeks later so that's just my 527 00:26:02,769 --> 00:26:03,799 two cents on that I 528 00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:06,430 can understand that and to my the best of my knowledge all 529 00:26:06,430 --> 00:26:07,319 they've got so far 530 00:26:07,319 --> 00:26:10,680 is a grading permit when that when a plot is improved 531 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:11,680 approved they can they 532 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,079 can grade the land sure and that's what they're working on 533 00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:16,279 right now 534 00:26:16,279 --> 00:26:20,210 Chris or back thank you sure one last question did we do a 535 00:26:20,210 --> 00:26:20,599 neighborhood 536 00:26:20,599 --> 00:26:24,210 meeting either for this or when they were doing that when 537 00:26:24,210 --> 00:26:25,359 the pre annexation 538 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:30,789 development agreement was was going through the process the 539 00:26:30,789 --> 00:26:32,440 developer and 540 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,579 and neighbors did meet the neighbors have actually 541 00:26:36,579 --> 00:26:38,079 contacted me and told me 542 00:26:38,079 --> 00:26:42,009 well they said this this and this so yeah there were aware 543 00:26:42,009 --> 00:26:42,440 of it so they 544 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:48,519 didn't make an attempt to yes okay there is one other point 545 00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:49,200 I think that could be 546 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,430 made that that might make it feel a little bit less like a 547 00:26:52,430 --> 00:26:53,200 hands-tieing 548 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,099 situation is that if they are outside the city limits we 549 00:26:56,099 --> 00:26:57,319 have no zoning control 550 00:26:57,319 --> 00:27:02,910 of them at all period you know absent some kind of a 551 00:27:02,910 --> 00:27:04,279 development agreement and 552 00:27:04,279 --> 00:27:08,839 and so they can develop without any kind of annexation 553 00:27:08,839 --> 00:27:10,200 restrictions that are not 554 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,000 placed on them by an agreement at least they had some 555 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,279 restrictions that were 556 00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:19,500 placed on them that they voluntarily agreed to you know it 557 00:27:19,500 --> 00:27:20,680 's not some other 558 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,359 use that could be a lot more intense that that's the city 559 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:25,920 would be obligated 560 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:31,990 to accept as an existing use upon annexation and and so to 561 00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:33,319 a certain 562 00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:37,460 extent you know what you're getting here is not so much a 563 00:27:37,460 --> 00:27:39,279 hand tying as it is the 564 00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:43,920 ability to plan and to provide for orderly growth and and 565 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,319 the city had this 566 00:27:45,319 --> 00:27:50,920 opportunity presented to them when this pattern was brought 567 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,720 forward that look 568 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,990 this is this is what's proposed at least we're putting some 569 00:27:56,990 --> 00:27:58,319 restrictions in place 570 00:27:58,319 --> 00:28:01,940 on this that gives the neighboring properties some comfort 571 00:28:01,940 --> 00:28:03,839 some assurance of 572 00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:07,589 what's going to go in and how it's going to go in and that 573 00:28:07,589 --> 00:28:09,000 it's not going to be 574 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:14,950 beyond that and and so to a certain extent it does provide 575 00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:16,279 some order you 576 00:28:16,279 --> 00:28:19,799 know in the process that you would not otherwise have 577 00:28:19,799 --> 00:28:22,359 absent an annexation 578 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:29,309 development agreement. One point to Larry's comment and I 579 00:28:29,309 --> 00:28:30,000 believe this was 580 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,180 done prior to the traffic impact fee ordinance being 581 00:28:33,180 --> 00:28:34,559 adopted and so that's 582 00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:37,380 always a challenge right when we're approving final plats 583 00:28:37,380 --> 00:28:38,319 in the ETJ we don't 584 00:28:38,319 --> 00:28:41,769 have so even if they are right within the within the you 585 00:28:41,769 --> 00:28:42,759 know surrounded by 586 00:28:42,759 --> 00:28:45,640 it by the city we can't necessarily assess that traffic 587 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,119 impact fee and so at 588 00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:50,089 least with this agreement while they are providing it you 589 00:28:50,089 --> 00:28:51,200 know creating an impact 590 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,920 we were able to actually secure almost double than what 591 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,279 what the impact fee 592 00:28:56,279 --> 00:29:00,519 would have required. Okay that makes sense if I may okay 593 00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:01,799 and again to Larry's 594 00:29:01,799 --> 00:29:07,450 statement yeah I can see the benefit of that that but how 595 00:29:07,450 --> 00:29:09,519 often when we do annex 596 00:29:09,519 --> 00:29:12,730 property there usually nothing on it is that correct have 597 00:29:12,730 --> 00:29:14,079 we how often have we 598 00:29:14,079 --> 00:29:19,500 annex property where there's already a development in there 599 00:29:19,500 --> 00:29:23,440 ? It varies even 600 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,630 there's been some properties of the annex a long long time 601 00:29:27,630 --> 00:29:29,519 ago with with uses on 602 00:29:29,519 --> 00:29:33,039 them that are non-conforming and so we can tend now with 603 00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:34,640 you know tracing it 604 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,079 all the way back so that they're actually able to continue 605 00:29:38,079 --> 00:29:38,799 that use we 606 00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:44,230 had one today in fact but but it does it does vary 607 00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:45,440 sometimes they're as simple as 608 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,319 a single-family home. But it seems like the developer here 609 00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:49,119 at least was 610 00:29:49,119 --> 00:29:53,200 attempting to work with the city's 2030 plan you know the 611 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:54,240 future land use and 612 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,480 all that with the NR3. Correct and it wasn't like you know 613 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:58,079 it wasn't a grab 614 00:29:58,079 --> 00:30:02,839 for NR4 NR6 which we see a lot so there is you know we 615 00:30:02,839 --> 00:30:04,480 actually look at it is 616 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,460 compatible with with that area and serves as a buffer to 617 00:30:07,460 --> 00:30:08,160 the to the NR4 618 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,630 and NR6 just to the east. And I wanted to add that we did 619 00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:14,240 annex some property in 620 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,730 2010 when we did the big annexation in 2010 that was 621 00:30:17,730 --> 00:30:19,559 developed the one that I'm 622 00:30:19,559 --> 00:30:22,029 thinking in particular is off of Mosh Branch it was an 623 00:30:22,029 --> 00:30:24,559 industrial park and what 624 00:30:24,559 --> 00:30:28,299 they we had them do is provide us with an inventory of all 625 00:30:28,299 --> 00:30:29,440 the uses that were 626 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,049 in that industrial park because the code states that when 627 00:30:33,049 --> 00:30:34,519 we have we annex uses 628 00:30:34,519 --> 00:30:38,039 they are non-conforming however they are allowed to 629 00:30:38,039 --> 00:30:40,000 continue with them so that 630 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,960 way every time we got a CEO for that industrial park we had 631 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:43,759 pull out that 632 00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:46,940 list and see okay yeah that that's on that list that you so 633 00:30:46,940 --> 00:30:48,200 they can go in 634 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:58,720 there. Krishnapurna did you have a question? No. Okay. 635 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,400 Thank you very much Cindy. 636 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:10,000 Sure. That moves us to item 3C the AESA 16-3 and I'll call 637 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,279 Haley to provide us 638 00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:14,279 some information on this one. 639 00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:22,059 All right good evening before I dive into this I wanted to 640 00:31:22,059 --> 00:31:24,640 point out a couple 641 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,230 of things I left on the table some additional responses 642 00:31:27,230 --> 00:31:28,160 that were received 643 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:33,380 for this case as well as a more clear ESA map that should 644 00:31:33,380 --> 00:31:35,319 replace exhibit 5 645 00:31:35,319 --> 00:31:38,140 that was in your backup that map came contain some errone 646 00:31:38,140 --> 00:31:39,160 ous data regarding 647 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,339 the boundary of the developed floodplain so we corrected 648 00:31:41,339 --> 00:31:42,279 that and provided you a 649 00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:45,460 hopefully a clearer picture of the various ESA types that 650 00:31:45,460 --> 00:31:45,980 are on the 651 00:31:45,980 --> 00:31:49,160 property and just so you also know Deborah Vera will be 652 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:50,299 joining me in this 653 00:31:50,299 --> 00:31:52,759 presentation so we'll kind of tag team and hopefully get 654 00:31:52,759 --> 00:31:53,319 you the best 655 00:31:53,319 --> 00:31:58,380 information we can on this case. So the request before you 656 00:31:58,380 --> 00:31:59,440 is for an alternative 657 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,680 environmentally sensitive area plan outlined on the map in 658 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:03,440 yellow is the 659 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,299 boundaries of the Country Club Road Estates which is the 660 00:32:06,299 --> 00:32:07,359 property there was 661 00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:11,170 a preliminary plat on your consent agenda for this for this 662 00:32:11,170 --> 00:32:12,920 property it is 663 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,329 approximately 32 or 35 and a half acres you can see it's 664 00:32:16,329 --> 00:32:17,359 located on the west 665 00:32:17,359 --> 00:32:20,539 side of Country Club Road Regency Court is just to the 666 00:32:20,539 --> 00:32:21,440 north of this for 667 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,640 reference the particular type of ESA that we'll be 668 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,359 discussing tonight is the 669 00:32:26,359 --> 00:32:30,400 undeveloped floodplain ESA and I also wanted to point out 670 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:31,319 to you you may 671 00:32:31,319 --> 00:32:36,910 remember last or yes last year we had new ESA regulations 672 00:32:36,910 --> 00:32:38,279 approved this 673 00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:42,990 development and this ESA up in 2016 so it predates those 674 00:32:42,990 --> 00:32:44,680 new ESA regulations so 675 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,609 this was examined under the the purview of those original 676 00:32:48,609 --> 00:32:49,720 or the older ESA 677 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:54,259 regulations that were replaced last year. A little bit more 678 00:32:54,259 --> 00:32:55,160 background on the 679 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,339 property it's currently zoned in R3 some of you may 680 00:32:58,339 --> 00:32:59,519 remember a couple of years 681 00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:04,390 ago an application came in it was approved early in 2017 682 00:33:04,390 --> 00:33:05,440 for a rezoning on 683 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,970 this property so prior to 2017 it was a mixture of NR2 and 684 00:33:09,970 --> 00:33:11,599 NR4 zoning could 685 00:33:11,599 --> 00:33:15,529 have permitted a maximum of 111 lots at that time so with 686 00:33:15,529 --> 00:33:16,720 their application in 687 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:21,250 2017 they applied to consolidate the zoning all under NR3 688 00:33:21,250 --> 00:33:21,880 so kind of split 689 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,750 the difference with the NR4 and NR2 and give a consistent 690 00:33:24,750 --> 00:33:25,640 density throughout the 691 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,920 property under NR3 they could develop a maximum of 124 lots 692 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,160 the preliminary 693 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,119 plat and the plans that you'll look at tonight show 73 lots 694 00:33:34,119 --> 00:33:35,200 so they are coming 695 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,809 in significantly lower in density than what could be 696 00:33:38,809 --> 00:33:41,640 permitted so now to kind of 697 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:46,230 look at the details of this preliminary plat. Commissioner 698 00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:47,839 Beck. Thank you chair. Go 699 00:33:47,839 --> 00:33:52,920 back that one if what are what are they giving up from 700 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,440 going up from 124 to 73 701 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,960 if they did 124 lots would they still negatively impacted 702 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,480 that undeveloped 703 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:07,789 floodplain? Yes that's due to the location of the flood 704 00:34:07,789 --> 00:34:08,400 plain kind of in the 705 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,519 middle of the property it was likely no matter what they 706 00:34:10,519 --> 00:34:11,320 did they would have 707 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,960 some impact on that just trying to get roads or lots or 708 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,199 something in place on 709 00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:19,199 the property. But wouldn't our aren't there restrictions in 710 00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:20,000 place that would 711 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,199 have prevented them from doing that kind of alteration to 712 00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:26,400 that? Well the the 713 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,559 reason we're here tonight is to so you all can have a look 714 00:34:28,559 --> 00:34:29,519 at those alterations 715 00:34:29,519 --> 00:34:31,150 that they propose because you're correct there are 716 00:34:31,150 --> 00:34:32,260 limitations on what you can do 717 00:34:32,260 --> 00:34:35,440 within an ESA. Okay so they could have done 124 but they 718 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:35,920 would have altered 719 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,860 more significantly the undeveloped floodplain so by doing 720 00:34:39,860 --> 00:34:43,119 73. That is 721 00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:44,889 potential I haven't seen what the plan would have looked 722 00:34:44,889 --> 00:34:45,880 like with that maximum 723 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,510 number of lots but since they came in for this their plan 724 00:34:48,510 --> 00:34:49,440 has always been to 725 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,969 develop somewhere between 73 78 lots to have a larger lot 726 00:34:52,969 --> 00:34:53,840 more estate style 727 00:34:53,840 --> 00:35:00,699 development. Thanks. So looking at some of the details here 728 00:35:00,699 --> 00:35:01,199 you can see two 729 00:35:01,199 --> 00:35:04,380 phases of development so as I mentioned earlier there's 730 00:35:04,380 --> 00:35:05,599 still some uncertainty 731 00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:08,150 as to what the ultimate right-of-way will be for Country 732 00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:08,880 Club Road when 733 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,670 TxDOT widens that so phase two is it's kind of a distant 734 00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:12,679 future maybe in a 735 00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:15,650 couple of years once TxDOT has those plans finalized but 736 00:35:15,650 --> 00:35:16,440 this is this is their 737 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,750 hope for what that would look like and then phase one will 738 00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:20,480 be the more more 739 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,659 immediately pending development once they get through this 740 00:35:23,659 --> 00:35:24,920 process and then 741 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,679 assuming this is approved final platting and construction 742 00:35:27,679 --> 00:35:29,639 plans would follow. So 743 00:35:29,639 --> 00:35:32,460 we do have a few key things to point out Meadowlands Drive 744 00:35:32,460 --> 00:35:33,519 will extend from the 745 00:35:33,519 --> 00:35:36,340 existing stub out here on the east side of the property it 746 00:35:36,340 --> 00:35:37,159 will come into a 747 00:35:37,159 --> 00:35:39,619 cul-de-sac so there's no direct connectivity where someone 748 00:35:39,619 --> 00:35:40,119 can make just 749 00:35:40,119 --> 00:35:42,590 a straight shot through the subdivision. There would be 750 00:35:42,590 --> 00:35:43,500 several turns involved on 751 00:35:43,500 --> 00:35:46,719 these streets to get out to Country Club Road so that could 752 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:47,440 hopefully you know 753 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,400 slow down traffic and cause a slower pace to travel through 754 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:51,360 the neighborhood. 755 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,150 As I mentioned it is a total of 73 lots there are a couple 756 00:35:55,150 --> 00:35:56,159 of gas wells in 757 00:35:56,159 --> 00:35:59,739 proximity to this so you can see in hatched lines here and 758 00:35:59,739 --> 00:36:00,800 then with these 759 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,409 boundary lines the lots that fall within a thousand feet of 760 00:36:03,409 --> 00:36:04,079 that so they've 761 00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:06,739 followed all of our regulations for property owner 762 00:36:06,739 --> 00:36:08,519 notifications there and 763 00:36:08,519 --> 00:36:11,469 then you can see through the middle of the lot two lots 764 00:36:11,469 --> 00:36:12,800 called out as a 1x and 765 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,139 2x and that's the lots that would contain the floodplain 766 00:36:16,139 --> 00:36:17,719 and the ESA if 767 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:22,460 this plan is approved. And at this point I'm gonna let 768 00:36:22,460 --> 00:36:24,400 Deborah kind of take over 769 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,460 and walk you through the various types of ESA on the 770 00:36:26,460 --> 00:36:27,559 property and what the plan 771 00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:29,719 is. 772 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:37,309 Thank you. Okay so they're not gonna do phase one or phase 773 00:36:37,309 --> 00:36:38,679 two for 774 00:36:38,679 --> 00:36:41,769 maybe another year or two. It's all possible it's depending 775 00:36:41,769 --> 00:36:42,239 on what text 776 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,199 dots timing is on their plans. But they will go ahead and 777 00:36:44,199 --> 00:36:45,559 do the road completion as 778 00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:48,159 they're doing phase one. My understanding is they'd likely 779 00:36:48,159 --> 00:36:49,420 have a temporary access 780 00:36:49,420 --> 00:36:53,119 point here where that existing driveway is and then yeah 781 00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:54,159 this would be built 782 00:36:54,159 --> 00:36:59,199 later on once text dot sponsor finalized. Okay. 783 00:37:02,679 --> 00:37:04,500 Good evening Commission my name is Deborah Vieira I'm with 784 00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:06,000 Environmental 785 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,010 Services and I'm going to walk you through the 786 00:37:08,010 --> 00:37:09,239 environmental sensitive 787 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,880 areas component of it. On the screen we have a map that's 788 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,039 showing the existing 789 00:37:16,039 --> 00:37:20,329 environmental sensitive area on site. I believe we have new 790 00:37:20,329 --> 00:37:21,400 members on the 791 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,320 Commission so I'm going to walk them through what 792 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:24,280 environmental sensitive 793 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,170 areas are. So bear with me the rest of the Commission that 794 00:37:27,170 --> 00:37:27,820 you have got this 795 00:37:27,820 --> 00:37:31,440 training so many times. The city of Denton provides 796 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,119 protection to four types 797 00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:36,760 of habitats. One of them being the floodplain, repair and 798 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,000 buffers, water 799 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,159 related habitats and cross timber open habitats. Those are 800 00:37:42,159 --> 00:37:43,360 habitats that 801 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,119 we provide protections to it and require additional 802 00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:49,280 regulations when development 803 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,840 comes in that has some some of that into their property. 804 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,760 Tonight we're going 805 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,969 to deal with undeveloped floodplain. An undeveloped flood 806 00:37:58,969 --> 00:38:00,840 plain pretty much is the 807 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:05,269 boundaries are determined by what the FEMA determines to be 808 00:38:05,269 --> 00:38:06,960 the zone that have 809 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,199 one percent chance of flood every year. It's also called 810 00:38:10,199 --> 00:38:11,199 the hundred year 811 00:38:11,199 --> 00:38:14,780 floodplain. So the two the two boundaries overlap they're 812 00:38:14,780 --> 00:38:16,639 the same. Even though FEMA 813 00:38:16,639 --> 00:38:19,820 the emphasis of FEMA protections is on the conveyance of 814 00:38:19,820 --> 00:38:20,960 water is making sure 815 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:26,639 that the water is draining properly and that does not 816 00:38:26,639 --> 00:38:28,880 result in further flooding 817 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:33,639 and hazard and damages to the property. The ESA floodplain 818 00:38:33,639 --> 00:38:34,920 deals more with the 819 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,449 habitat that it has and the protection service the 820 00:38:38,449 --> 00:38:40,400 ecological services that 821 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,849 they provide. So tonight we are going to deal mainly with 822 00:38:44,849 --> 00:38:45,920 the southern part of 823 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,630 the property which is determined to be undeveloped flood 824 00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:50,239 plain. This is a point of 825 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:54,170 clarification. The applicant have proposed all the impacts 826 00:38:54,170 --> 00:38:54,719 to be done 827 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,949 along the flood fringes which is the outer edges of the 828 00:38:57,949 --> 00:38:59,519 floodplain and not to 829 00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:02,699 encroach into the repair and buffer which is the yellow 830 00:39:02,699 --> 00:39:04,480 area shown. So that's 831 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,659 why we are not dealing with the repair and buffer at this 832 00:39:07,659 --> 00:39:09,159 point. The northern 833 00:39:09,159 --> 00:39:12,840 part of it it was determined through a field assessment 834 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,000 done in 2015 that that 835 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,639 area in purple seems to have characteristics of a developed 836 00:39:19,639 --> 00:39:20,079 floodplain 837 00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:23,349 meaning that that area have been heavily impacted that have 838 00:39:23,349 --> 00:39:24,400 been graded that have 839 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,349 been filled and so on and there's and doesn't provide the 840 00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:28,440 habitat and the 841 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,969 benefits that otherwise an undeveloped floodplain does. The 842 00:39:32,969 --> 00:39:33,719 same happened with 843 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:37,360 the repair and buffer that area have been heavily graded. I 844 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:38,960 suspect that that 845 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:43,019 came as a part of the CLOMAR-LOHMAR process. CLOMAR stands 846 00:39:43,019 --> 00:39:43,800 for conditional 847 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,639 letter of map revision. LOHMAR stands for letter of map 848 00:39:46,639 --> 00:39:48,199 revision. Then it was done 849 00:39:48,199 --> 00:39:51,380 as a part of Regency Oaks subdivision which is located on 850 00:39:51,380 --> 00:39:53,360 the north. Also here 851 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,760 there is a long driveway that connects to Country Club. 852 00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:58,880 There is a culvert in 853 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:05,119 that area to that provides the drainage in that area. 854 00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:06,719 Somebody have to put a 855 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:12,139 culvert in and that and I suspect that some of the field 856 00:40:12,139 --> 00:40:13,280 and grading that was 857 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,900 done in the past was also for the for the construction of 858 00:40:15,900 --> 00:40:16,900 that driveway. So 859 00:40:16,900 --> 00:40:21,179 there are multiple reasons why that area have been impacted 860 00:40:21,179 --> 00:40:25,280 in the past. So in 861 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,710 2015 the staff did a field assessment to determine the 862 00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:30,760 condition of the floodplain 863 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,340 and the repair and buffer. The northern part of the 864 00:40:34,340 --> 00:40:36,559 existing subdivision it was 865 00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:41,780 found that it was heavily impacted and graded. We are 866 00:40:41,780 --> 00:40:44,400 suspecting it was the 867 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,590 result of the letter of map revisions for Regency Oaks that 868 00:40:48,590 --> 00:40:50,360 was done in 1999. 869 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:56,039 Just to for your information, Regency Oaks came before the 870 00:40:56,039 --> 00:40:56,480 Denton 871 00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,559 Development Code was in place or any of the subchapter 17 872 00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:01,320 that provides 873 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,639 protections to environmentally sensitive areas. Even though 874 00:41:04,639 --> 00:41:06,119 they did very similar 875 00:41:06,119 --> 00:41:09,309 to what this development is requesting to do tonight, they 876 00:41:09,309 --> 00:41:10,199 were not subject to 877 00:41:10,199 --> 00:41:15,059 the protection of the ESA at the time. On the repair and 878 00:41:15,059 --> 00:41:17,360 buffer pretty much one 879 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,960 third of the of the repair and buffer the northern set have 880 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:22,920 been heavily 881 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:28,349 modified. There's not a defined channel anymore. It is more 882 00:41:28,349 --> 00:41:29,159 like a series of 883 00:41:29,159 --> 00:41:34,750 pools and that area is also been mowed, vegetated but have 884 00:41:34,750 --> 00:41:35,760 been mowed. So you 885 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,690 don't have that typical repair and buffer. We also assess 886 00:41:39,690 --> 00:41:40,679 the vegetation 887 00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:44,920 present and they were not wetland related vegetation 888 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:45,880 present either. It was 889 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:51,880 more upland in character. The downstream two-thirds of the 890 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,119 site it looks like I 891 00:41:54,119 --> 00:41:57,909 have not been touched and I will retain the characteristic 892 00:41:57,909 --> 00:41:58,840 of a more natural 893 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:04,269 area and we maintain the repair and buffer designation for 894 00:42:04,269 --> 00:42:05,480 that segment. 895 00:42:06,039 --> 00:42:10,059 This table summarizes all the disturbances that are going 896 00:42:10,059 --> 00:42:10,880 to be done 897 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,280 within the area and I did that just to give you a complete 898 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:16,800 picture of it but I 899 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,980 just wanted to bring to your attention that only the cells 900 00:42:19,980 --> 00:42:20,800 highlighted in 901 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:25,000 yellow triggers an alternative ESA plan. The first the 902 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:26,400 repair and buffer 903 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:31,820 designation that was removed is no longer an ESA therefore 904 00:42:31,820 --> 00:42:33,000 a disturb in 905 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,460 that area will not trigger an alternative ESA plan. The 906 00:42:36,460 --> 00:42:38,320 repair and buffer the 907 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:42,679 applicant have agreed to keep all disturbances outside the 908 00:42:42,679 --> 00:42:43,280 repair and 909 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,590 buffer therefore there are there's no encroachment no need 910 00:42:46,590 --> 00:42:47,679 to include that as 911 00:42:47,679 --> 00:42:51,059 a part of the alternative ESA plan. The developed flood 912 00:42:51,059 --> 00:42:52,000 plain there's no 913 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,949 protection of the habitat when a floodplain have been 914 00:42:54,949 --> 00:42:55,920 heavily modified 915 00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:00,320 therefore will not trigger either the alternative ESA plan. 916 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:01,800 Only the section 917 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:07,760 that deals with the undeveloped floodplain matters for this 918 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,280 application. 919 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:14,239 This is a detail that the applicant provided to show where 920 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:15,119 the field is 921 00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:20,760 going to be placed. The field area is right here okay and 922 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,840 this is this seems 923 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:28,090 to the purpose of this detail is just to show you what a 924 00:43:28,090 --> 00:43:30,079 crossing of that stream 925 00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:34,239 looks like. This is the center line of the stream and 926 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:35,960 because it's a repair and 927 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:40,880 buffer we provide protection 50 feet on both directions for 928 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,000 a total of 100 feet. 929 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:48,420 The applicant has also stated that they will put any fields 930 00:43:48,420 --> 00:43:50,239 any field outside any 931 00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:55,079 tree drip line so in case that there were a tree right at 932 00:43:55,079 --> 00:43:56,800 the edge of the 933 00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:02,869 repair and buffer they will push the field further out not 934 00:44:02,869 --> 00:44:05,400 to put any any 935 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,340 hazard or stress on those trees so they are cognizant of 936 00:44:09,340 --> 00:44:10,780 the protection of the 937 00:44:10,780 --> 00:44:14,840 repair and buffer. So this is the area that we are 938 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,440 considering which happens 939 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:22,849 to be the fringes of the floodplain. This is an image of 940 00:44:22,849 --> 00:44:25,320 what the floodplain looks 941 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:30,510 like in dark blue and if the reclamation work is done how 942 00:44:30,510 --> 00:44:31,800 the floodplain is going 943 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:36,409 to looks like and it's pretty much is going to shrink in 944 00:44:36,409 --> 00:44:38,519 size. I have broken 945 00:44:38,519 --> 00:44:42,809 down the changes between the existing floodplain and what 946 00:44:42,809 --> 00:44:44,119 the proposed flood 947 00:44:44,119 --> 00:44:50,219 plan would be. Again the things that matter for the for the 948 00:44:50,219 --> 00:44:51,239 alternative ESA 949 00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:55,269 plan is highlighted in yellow and you see that they are 950 00:44:55,269 --> 00:44:57,760 going from almost 300,000 951 00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:02,880 square feet of floodplain 229 okay which is a difference of 952 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:03,800 hundred and seventy 953 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:08,880 thousand square feet which is a little bit almost 3.9 acres 954 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:09,599 that they will be 955 00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:15,949 able to reclaim and developed as a part of this development 956 00:45:15,949 --> 00:45:19,639 . The applicants have 957 00:45:19,639 --> 00:45:24,110 proposed multiple strategies as a mitigation for the for 958 00:45:24,110 --> 00:45:24,880 the encroachment 959 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:29,039 that they are causing within the undeveloped floodplain. We 960 00:45:29,039 --> 00:45:30,199 have mentioned 961 00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:32,659 this already a fill material will be placed outside the 962 00:45:32,659 --> 00:45:33,719 drip lines of existing 963 00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,159 trees along the creek or the boundary of the repair and 964 00:45:37,159 --> 00:45:39,760 buffer whichever is wider. 965 00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,550 Grading will be concentrated on the northern portion of the 966 00:45:43,550 --> 00:45:44,280 side where 967 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:48,079 there's the repair and buffer designation have already 968 00:45:48,079 --> 00:45:49,519 removed or where the 969 00:45:49,519 --> 00:45:52,699 debate of where the floodplain is considered to be 970 00:45:52,699 --> 00:45:54,159 developed and less and 971 00:45:54,159 --> 00:45:58,909 having less value from a habitat standpoint. The street 972 00:45:58,909 --> 00:46:00,039 layout minimizes 973 00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:02,559 disturbances of the repair and buffer because they are 974 00:46:02,559 --> 00:46:03,559 putting that street 975 00:46:03,559 --> 00:46:09,719 along the northern side of the project. They are proposing 976 00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,840 to remove all invasive 977 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,639 species found in the repair and buffer and floodplain and 978 00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:16,519 re vegetated with 979 00:46:16,519 --> 00:46:21,239 native species. They have us secure the services of tree 980 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:26,210 Sherport as their consultant to this this work. They are 981 00:46:26,210 --> 00:46:27,920 instead of putting a 982 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,110 pilot channel throughout the floodplain they are going to 983 00:46:31,110 --> 00:46:32,440 actually leave it as an 984 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,369 earth and channel which allows for the for vegetation to 985 00:46:36,369 --> 00:46:37,480 grow and be more 986 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:44,300 natural and they they use the lower density that they have 987 00:46:44,300 --> 00:46:46,320 agree on as a way 988 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,250 for mitigating for additional runoff. Commissioner Beck. 989 00:46:50,250 --> 00:46:53,320 Thank you chair. Deborah 990 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:58,739 would suit our purposes here to ask you or wait later and 991 00:46:58,739 --> 00:47:00,320 ask the developers 992 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,539 on their method of removing the invasive species. They 993 00:47:03,539 --> 00:47:04,960 mentioned the possibility 994 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,690 of using herbicide should you want to discuss that now or I 995 00:47:08,690 --> 00:47:10,239 can I can raise 996 00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,059 the question with them at the public hearing so I'm going 997 00:47:13,059 --> 00:47:14,280 to do my best but 998 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,059 if you don't get satisfied with my answer I would say 999 00:47:17,059 --> 00:47:18,119 follow up with the 1000 00:47:18,119 --> 00:47:24,199 applicant. Well Chinese privet is a bit invasive species 1001 00:47:24,199 --> 00:47:25,239 and is very aggressive 1002 00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:29,800 to get rid of them is is hard to do and most of the time is 1003 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:30,840 done mechanically 1004 00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:35,639 but also they actually go and this is what the applicant is 1005 00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:37,119 contemplating to 1006 00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:40,409 do that if the mechanical removal is not sufficient they 1007 00:47:40,409 --> 00:47:41,679 will actually go and 1008 00:47:41,679 --> 00:47:46,800 paint the the stats of the of the plan with herbicide so in 1009 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,840 that way heals the 1010 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,769 the invasive species and give an opportunity for native to 1011 00:47:53,769 --> 00:47:54,400 actually 1012 00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:59,219 flourish and and take and thrive. I believe your concern is 1013 00:47:59,219 --> 00:48:01,039 the use of herbicides 1014 00:48:01,039 --> 00:48:04,239 there are different type of herbicides that they can use 1015 00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:05,599 the application is 1016 00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:09,880 meant to be on a on the stump of the plan no it's not like 1017 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:10,840 you are going to 1018 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:15,000 spray that area that's how the application should be done. 1019 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:15,719 If you want 1020 00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,050 to pick the applicant's brain about what type of herbicides 1021 00:48:19,050 --> 00:48:20,119 or the selections 1022 00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:23,550 of their contemplated I would suggest that you follow up 1023 00:48:23,550 --> 00:48:24,800 with the applicant. 1024 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:45,190 Well, when you apply with a brush to the stump itself you 1025 00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:47,320 are reducing the chances. 1026 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,840 One concern that I will have watch the weather you know if 1027 00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,159 it's raining next 1028 00:48:52,159 --> 00:48:55,409 day don't do it because probably the rain will wash out 1029 00:48:55,409 --> 00:48:56,239 that so there are 1030 00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,989 precautions that you can that you can do it or you can take 1031 00:48:59,989 --> 00:49:01,000 to prevent and 1032 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,760 minimize that type of situation. Yes sir. 1033 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,230 Christopher Sanchez. One of the things that you know 1034 00:49:07,230 --> 00:49:10,570 looking at and I guess that's where you would come in make 1035 00:49:10,570 --> 00:49:10,840 sure it's 1036 00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:15,199 it's either soil active or soil inactive because if you put 1037 00:49:15,199 --> 00:49:15,480 a soil 1038 00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,530 actives it'll move through the soil as opposed to an in 1039 00:49:19,530 --> 00:49:21,159 active one. Yeah. And that's 1040 00:49:21,159 --> 00:49:24,769 I mean if you put it with a paintbrush it won't go from 1041 00:49:24,769 --> 00:49:26,000 that spot if it's in 1042 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:33,510 actives it's soil inactive. Yeah so they are a wide variety 1043 00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:35,000 of herbicides out there 1044 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,179 in the market and they are suitable for some specific 1045 00:49:38,179 --> 00:49:39,519 conditions so I'm sure 1046 00:49:39,519 --> 00:49:42,699 that the applicant would be you know the consultant that 1047 00:49:42,699 --> 00:49:43,639 they do this for living 1048 00:49:43,639 --> 00:49:47,159 will hopefully look into it but again staff is always 1049 00:49:47,159 --> 00:49:48,719 available if they ever 1050 00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:56,230 have a question. Any other questions? And at this point I 1051 00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:58,119 will transition to Haley 1052 00:49:58,119 --> 00:50:02,199 for discussion about the opposition. 1053 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,019 All right so to kind of wrap up and conclude the 1054 00:50:11,019 --> 00:50:12,199 presentation here 1055 00:50:12,199 --> 00:50:15,150 notification of this case was sent this alternative ESA 1056 00:50:15,150 --> 00:50:16,239 plans do follow our 1057 00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,829 zoning process so we followed all the same notification 1058 00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:20,960 procedures so as 1059 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,510 replaced in the newspaper the applicant posted the required 1060 00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:24,079 signs on the 1061 00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:28,099 property and then we did mail the 200 and 500 foot 1062 00:50:28,099 --> 00:50:30,360 notifications. Prior to this 1063 00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,710 meeting I've received one in opposition and two actually I 1064 00:50:33,710 --> 00:50:34,760 believe it may be 1065 00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,059 three that were in favor now I got one at the last minute 1066 00:50:38,059 --> 00:50:39,000 and provided it to 1067 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,480 you this evening and the primary concerns that were 1068 00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:43,159 expressed were 1069 00:50:43,159 --> 00:50:46,110 regarding the trees on the property and concerns that 1070 00:50:46,110 --> 00:50:47,639 drainage could be impacted 1071 00:50:47,639 --> 00:50:50,940 in the north the neighborhood to the north. The applicant 1072 00:50:50,940 --> 00:50:51,320 did hold a 1073 00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,340 neighborhood meeting and I believe they addressed quite a 1074 00:50:53,340 --> 00:50:54,239 few of those concerns 1075 00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,420 at that time they had a lengthy discussion with the 1076 00:50:57,420 --> 00:50:58,519 neighbors about how 1077 00:50:58,519 --> 00:51:00,539 they would be improving drainage conditions hopefully by 1078 00:51:00,539 --> 00:51:01,239 kind of opening 1079 00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,360 up the channel in places where it's been really narrowed 1080 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:04,280 down under that gravel 1081 00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,460 driveway as well as alleviating some of their concerns 1082 00:51:07,460 --> 00:51:08,519 about their plan to 1083 00:51:08,519 --> 00:51:14,449 maintain as many trees on the side as possible. So with 1084 00:51:14,449 --> 00:51:17,280 that a staff is 1085 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,079 recommending approval of the requests with four conditions 1086 00:51:20,079 --> 00:51:21,320 the first being 1087 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,320 that disturbance of the ESA not exceed fill in excess of 1088 00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,519 190,000 450 square feet 1089 00:51:27,519 --> 00:51:30,469 within the undeveloped floodplain the second being that 1090 00:51:30,469 --> 00:51:31,360 invasive species 1091 00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,349 within the ESA area shall be removed as was indicated in 1092 00:51:34,349 --> 00:51:36,039 their plan the third 1093 00:51:36,039 --> 00:51:38,579 being that plants installed as part of the proposed native 1094 00:51:38,579 --> 00:51:39,760 flora revegetation 1095 00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,650 be installed and maintained by the current property owner 1096 00:51:42,650 --> 00:51:43,920 or a developer for 1097 00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,699 a period of three years following that installation any 1098 00:51:46,699 --> 00:51:47,800 plants that are removed 1099 00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,309 destroyed or die within the three-year period would be 1100 00:51:50,309 --> 00:51:51,400 required to be replaced 1101 00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,840 by that current property owner and then the fourth be just 1102 00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:55,719 to solidify that no 1103 00:51:55,719 --> 00:52:00,059 encroachment into areas designated as riparian buffer ESA. 1104 00:52:00,059 --> 00:52:01,119 I'd be happy to 1105 00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:03,210 answer any questions or we can have Deborah back up if 1106 00:52:03,210 --> 00:52:04,199 needed to address any 1107 00:52:04,199 --> 00:52:08,440 other concerns. Thank you Chair. Yeah Deborah did have one 1108 00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:09,239 question one 1109 00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:16,400 other question for you. In the applicant's narrative they 1110 00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:17,519 mentioned that it was 1111 00:52:17,519 --> 00:52:23,199 determined on April 2017 that three threatened and 1112 00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:25,119 endangered species could 1113 00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:27,610 be present inside here and I assume they're talking animal 1114 00:52:27,610 --> 00:52:29,039 species? Yes. Okay 1115 00:52:29,039 --> 00:52:33,360 they never did say what those species were and it also says 1116 00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:34,079 upon a field 1117 00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:37,829 investigation by Jones and Ridenhauer they concluded that 1118 00:52:37,829 --> 00:52:39,000 there do not appear 1119 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,179 to be any federally listed threatened or endangered species 1120 00:52:42,179 --> 00:52:43,320 . I was just curious 1121 00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,269 they didn't state when that field investigation was done. I 1122 00:52:46,269 --> 00:52:46,920 gave that April 1123 00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:52,519 3rd. Correct and that information comes from the National 1124 00:52:52,519 --> 00:52:53,159 Environmental 1125 00:52:53,159 --> 00:52:57,389 Policy Act which is a federal law that requires any federal 1126 00:52:57,389 --> 00:52:58,599 agency making a 1127 00:52:58,599 --> 00:53:02,409 decision of a project to consider the environmental impacts 1128 00:53:02,409 --> 00:53:03,519 that you will have. 1129 00:53:03,519 --> 00:53:07,559 For for them to do this reclamation work they have to go 1130 00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:09,159 through FEMA and submit 1131 00:53:09,159 --> 00:53:12,340 a conditional letter of matte revision. Okay as a part of 1132 00:53:12,340 --> 00:53:13,280 that that's what that 1133 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:17,400 tree is triggered and what they do they go to the site. 1134 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,400 Those three species that 1135 00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,190 they're mentioned is because they are known to be in within 1136 00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:24,400 this region and 1137 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,849 they have submitted they have contacted the Texas Park and 1138 00:53:27,849 --> 00:53:29,920 Wildlife who pretty 1139 00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:35,510 much oversee that part of information and they did a field 1140 00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:36,079 assessment just to 1141 00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:39,679 I'm sorry a field visit to determine if the habit that was 1142 00:53:39,679 --> 00:53:40,599 present or if the 1143 00:53:40,599 --> 00:53:44,289 species were there or they were nesting in that area and 1144 00:53:44,289 --> 00:53:46,280 they provided that 1145 00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,960 information to the Texas Park and Wildlife and they 1146 00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:51,360 determined that that 1147 00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:55,889 was sufficient. So we got a letter documentation from the 1148 00:53:55,889 --> 00:53:56,800 Texas Park and 1149 00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,750 Wildlife on that matter. There was a determination of no 1150 00:53:59,750 --> 00:54:00,840 effect. Of no effect 1151 00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,599 because they are not present. What just out of curiosity 1152 00:54:03,599 --> 00:54:04,679 what three species are we 1153 00:54:04,679 --> 00:54:11,269 talking about? Possum? No there's a crane one of them. Let 1154 00:54:11,269 --> 00:54:12,760 me see if I can do it that 1155 00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:16,199 research before the public hearing. Okay that's good thank 1156 00:54:16,199 --> 00:54:17,840 you. You're welcome. 1157 00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:23,880 It's talking it's also talking it talks about native floor 1158 00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,159 vegetation is it is 1159 00:54:25,159 --> 00:54:28,590 also and then but earlier on when I was reading through 1160 00:54:28,590 --> 00:54:30,079 this information you 1161 00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:32,550 know we're also talking about grasses and herbaceous 1162 00:54:32,550 --> 00:54:33,920 vegetation. Correct. So 1163 00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,869 that's also that'll also be under a three-year. Correct. 1164 00:54:37,869 --> 00:54:38,559 Okay I just want to 1165 00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:42,019 Is everything that will be installed. Okay. And as a part 1166 00:54:42,019 --> 00:54:43,639 of the report that they put 1167 00:54:43,639 --> 00:54:47,119 together they included the species that they're going to 1168 00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:48,239 look from from the 1169 00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:53,000 trees and from also the herbaceous material. Right. 1170 00:54:54,280 --> 00:55:02,469 Any other questions? I think we're good. Thank you. Next on 1171 00:55:02,469 --> 00:55:05,599 the agenda is Z 18 - 15 1172 00:55:05,599 --> 00:55:10,199 it's also Haley this is a zoning case. 1173 00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:25,809 Alright so this is case Z 18 - 15 for Audreau Oaks. The 1174 00:55:25,809 --> 00:55:27,199 request before you is a 1175 00:55:27,199 --> 00:55:30,469 rezoning from neighborhood residential 2 to neighborhood 1176 00:55:30,469 --> 00:55:31,599 residential 4 district. 1177 00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:35,099 The subject property again is outlined in yellow on the map 1178 00:55:35,099 --> 00:55:36,440 it is just over 13 1179 00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,929 acres and you can see here it is located on the south side 1180 00:55:39,929 --> 00:55:41,579 of the east-west leg of 1181 00:55:41,579 --> 00:55:45,900 Audreau Lane and is located just west of Barbara Street. So 1182 00:55:45,900 --> 00:55:47,599 to look at what this 1183 00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:50,420 rezoning would look like on our map you can see on the left 1184 00:55:50,420 --> 00:55:51,360 the current zoning 1185 00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:56,340 of NR 2 and then on the right the proposed zoning of NR 4. 1186 00:55:56,340 --> 00:55:57,599 The applicant 1187 00:55:57,599 --> 00:56:00,780 did provide a concept plan for your consideration. Due to 1188 00:56:00,780 --> 00:56:01,599 the scale of it I 1189 00:56:01,599 --> 00:56:04,130 couldn't get it to rotate the correct way so north is to 1190 00:56:04,130 --> 00:56:04,880 the left on the 1191 00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,670 screen but you can see here Audreau Lane so they would have 1192 00:56:08,670 --> 00:56:10,159 one primary street 1193 00:56:10,159 --> 00:56:12,170 connection through here that would tie into Oak Valley 1194 00:56:12,170 --> 00:56:13,199 Street on the south side 1195 00:56:13,199 --> 00:56:16,750 and then there is a proposed connection to a street that 1196 00:56:16,750 --> 00:56:18,079 would be on the west 1197 00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:21,730 side of the property. If you remember there were a couple 1198 00:56:21,730 --> 00:56:22,639 of rezoning's in 1199 00:56:22,639 --> 00:56:26,150 recent in the past year to NR 6 adjoining this. Those 1200 00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:27,119 subdivisions are in 1201 00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:29,269 the preliminary plotting process at this point so they know 1202 00:56:29,269 --> 00:56:30,000 that that street 1203 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,630 connection would be a viable option for them. And then some 1204 00:56:33,630 --> 00:56:34,800 of the key features 1205 00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,849 to look at on this concept plan. The lots that are shown in 1206 00:56:38,849 --> 00:56:40,199 orange here are where 1207 00:56:40,199 --> 00:56:43,460 they would have a detached single-family homes proposed. In 1208 00:56:43,460 --> 00:56:44,159 blue you can see 1209 00:56:44,159 --> 00:56:48,329 areas where they would they've proposed duplexes and then 1210 00:56:48,329 --> 00:56:49,920 this 5.3 acre parcel 1211 00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,480 that I've outlined in green is proposed as either a 1212 00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:53,920 dedication to the city in 1213 00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,929 the form of a park or as an HOA maintained green space and 1214 00:56:57,929 --> 00:56:58,840 they are in 1215 00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,559 communications with our Parks Department to have those 1216 00:57:01,559 --> 00:57:02,239 preliminary 1217 00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,840 discussions about whether this would be a viable city park 1218 00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,960 option. So as you were 1219 00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,920 familiar with by now there are two criteria outlined in the 1220 00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:11,360 DDC for a 1221 00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,539 rezoning request. Does it conform to our future land use 1222 00:57:14,539 --> 00:57:15,719 plan within the Denton 1223 00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:19,510 Plan 2030 and is there adequate provision of infrastructure 1224 00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:21,460 ? So the 1225 00:57:21,460 --> 00:57:24,099 future land use designation for this area is low 1226 00:57:24,099 --> 00:57:26,320 residential. This designation 1227 00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,599 is applied to areas where we intend residential development 1228 00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:30,440 to occur between 1229 00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,320 one and four dwelling units per acre. The comp plan does 1230 00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:34,480 encourage a mixture of 1231 00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,699 housing types and prices within these areas. It also 1232 00:57:37,699 --> 00:57:38,699 encourages that 1233 00:57:38,699 --> 00:57:41,170 development be consistent and compatible with what's 1234 00:57:41,170 --> 00:57:43,280 surrounding. So in looking at 1235 00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,159 this we found the NR4 district is consistent with this. It 1236 00:57:46,159 --> 00:57:46,559 permits a 1237 00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:49,320 maximum of one dwelling unit or I'm sorry that should be 1238 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:50,480 four dwelling units per 1239 00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,769 acre. It permits single-family homes by right and duplexes 1240 00:57:53,769 --> 00:57:54,639 are permitted with 1241 00:57:54,639 --> 00:58:00,500 limitations. So to look at that in a little more depth, NR4 1242 00:58:00,500 --> 00:58:01,840 is kind of 1243 00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:03,940 surrounding the property on a couple of sides. So we have 1244 00:58:03,940 --> 00:58:04,960 NR4 to the south and 1245 00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:09,119 NR4 to the east. There's also NR2, NR6, and NR3 in this 1246 00:58:09,119 --> 00:58:10,000 area. So it's kind of a 1247 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:14,079 mixed density area. So NR4 is consistent with this existing 1248 00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:14,880 development pattern. 1249 00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,349 The single-family use that's permitted by right would be 1250 00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:18,519 directly compatible with 1251 00:58:18,519 --> 00:58:23,159 other uses in the area. Duplexes as I mentioned are limited 1252 00:58:23,159 --> 00:58:23,880 within the zoning 1253 00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:28,630 district. So the code requires that duplexes be on lots 1254 00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:30,079 that do not abut the 1255 00:58:30,079 --> 00:58:32,210 perimeter of the subdivision. So you saw in their concept 1256 00:58:32,210 --> 00:58:33,039 plan they have the park 1257 00:58:33,039 --> 00:58:35,820 on one side, some single-family homes on the south side, 1258 00:58:35,820 --> 00:58:36,840 and then some alleyways 1259 00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:40,019 that would separate this from direct contact with the 1260 00:58:40,019 --> 00:58:40,760 perimeter of the 1261 00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:44,809 subdivision. It also requires that each unit within the du 1262 00:58:44,809 --> 00:58:45,440 plex be on a 1263 00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,280 separately platted lot that's designed to be individually 1264 00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:49,840 sold. So as part of 1265 00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:51,849 their preliminary plat they would be required to plait 1266 00:58:51,849 --> 00:58:52,559 those duplexes on 1267 00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:55,860 individual lots so that they could be owned as a 1268 00:58:55,860 --> 00:58:58,039 traditional home. And then the 1269 00:58:58,039 --> 00:59:01,219 limitation also requires compliance with subchapter 13, 1270 00:59:01,219 --> 00:59:02,159 which specifically 1271 00:59:02,159 --> 00:59:05,050 requires that duplexes within the city of Denton look like 1272 00:59:05,050 --> 00:59:06,079 one single-family 1273 00:59:06,079 --> 00:59:09,260 unit from the structures or from the street. So that would 1274 00:59:09,260 --> 00:59:09,599 be, you know, only 1275 00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:12,070 one front door could face the street for example. It would 1276 00:59:12,070 --> 00:59:13,199 have to maintain the 1277 00:59:13,199 --> 00:59:16,679 look and feel of a single-family home. Commissioner Beck. 1278 00:59:16,679 --> 00:59:17,840 Thank you Chair. Let me ask 1279 00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:21,199 something at this point. You've got two dwelling units in 1280 00:59:21,199 --> 00:59:23,920 the duplex. So say one 1281 00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:27,670 side doesn't sell for a while. The appearance of the other 1282 00:59:27,670 --> 00:59:29,000 side, say the lawn, 1283 00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:33,480 gets out of hand. How is that built with in this case? It 1284 00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:34,039 would fall back on 1285 00:59:34,039 --> 00:59:37,320 whoever owns the property at that time. So one side of the 1286 00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:38,119 duplex could sell and 1287 00:59:38,119 --> 00:59:41,300 say the developer or someone else could would still have 1288 00:59:41,300 --> 00:59:42,280 the other half of that 1289 00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:47,710 property and be responsible for it. And looking at the 1290 00:59:47,710 --> 00:59:49,639 other criteria, there is 1291 00:59:49,639 --> 00:59:52,559 infrastructure available to the site. So you can see Audre 1292 00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:53,780 Lane is a collector at 1293 00:59:53,780 --> 00:59:56,500 this point. So there would be access there as well as those 1294 00:59:56,500 --> 00:59:57,000 other points of 1295 00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,179 connectivity to the surrounding neighborhoods. Water and 1296 01:00:00,179 --> 01:00:01,079 sewer service 1297 01:00:01,079 --> 01:00:05,550 are also adequately available here to the site. Once again, 1298 01:00:05,550 --> 01:00:06,679 notification was 1299 01:00:06,679 --> 01:00:09,150 given about this case. The applicant did post the required 1300 01:00:09,150 --> 01:00:10,599 signs on the property. 1301 01:00:10,599 --> 01:00:13,210 Notifications were mailed to surrounding property owners 1302 01:00:13,210 --> 01:00:13,840 and there was a 1303 01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:17,469 neighborhood meeting held. So you can see here we did have 1304 01:00:17,469 --> 01:00:18,440 a few responses in 1305 01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,719 opposition, one of which was outside that 200-foot buffer. 1306 01:00:21,719 --> 01:00:23,119 Those few additional 1307 01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:25,650 responses were provided to you prior to this meeting. There 1308 01:00:25,650 --> 01:00:26,880 were some responses in 1309 01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:30,070 favor and I did attend the neighborhood meeting and there 1310 01:00:30,070 --> 01:00:30,519 was some 1311 01:00:30,519 --> 01:00:33,699 concern about traffic through the area, particularly on Oak 1312 01:00:33,699 --> 01:00:34,519 Valley going up to 1313 01:00:34,519 --> 01:00:39,239 Audre. But overall it seemed to be a rather positive field. 1314 01:00:39,239 --> 01:00:39,599 The neighbors 1315 01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:42,289 weren't not necessarily opposed to duplexes. They felt it 1316 01:00:42,289 --> 01:00:43,000 was a new use that 1317 01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,179 would be introduced to the area. But if those were owned, 1318 01:00:46,179 --> 01:00:46,920 they seemed to be 1319 01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:50,099 generally okay with the idea. Although some did have 1320 01:00:50,099 --> 01:00:50,840 concerns about the 1321 01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:55,940 high density. But with that, staff is recommending approval 1322 01:00:55,940 --> 01:00:56,679 of the request. We 1323 01:00:56,679 --> 01:00:59,139 found it to be consistent with our criteria for approval. I 1324 01:00:59,139 --> 01:01:00,039 'd be happy to 1325 01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:04,840 answer any questions. Thank you Chair. Haley, in the staff 1326 01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:05,880 analysis it was 1327 01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,489 mentioned that you had concern over the duplexes. You didn 1328 01:01:08,489 --> 01:01:09,400 't really say what that 1329 01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,280 those concerns were or how they were alleviated. So can you 1330 01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:13,079 enlighten me on 1331 01:01:13,079 --> 01:01:15,550 that? Certainly. You know, kind of like some of the 1332 01:01:15,550 --> 01:01:16,480 neighbors, we felt that it 1333 01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,920 would be a new use for this particular area. They're always 1334 01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:21,039 as concerned with 1335 01:01:21,039 --> 01:01:23,510 duplexes over it being a rental property. But with the 1336 01:01:23,510 --> 01:01:24,800 limitations that our code 1337 01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,980 already imposes on that use, it can be made more compatible 1338 01:01:27,980 --> 01:01:29,000 . They are designed 1339 01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,199 to be individually sold and maintained as a single-family 1340 01:01:31,199 --> 01:01:32,079 home. So that would 1341 01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:35,500 help. And then in addition to that, there is on the concept 1342 01:01:35,500 --> 01:01:36,599 plan you can see some 1343 01:01:36,599 --> 01:01:39,469 significant separation between the duplexes and the 1344 01:01:39,469 --> 01:01:40,239 surrounding 1345 01:01:40,239 --> 01:01:43,440 neighborhoods. So you know the park for example would 1346 01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:44,559 greatly separate them 1347 01:01:44,559 --> 01:01:48,309 from those homes to the east. But that was our general 1348 01:01:48,309 --> 01:01:49,679 thought process on this. 1349 01:01:49,679 --> 01:01:52,360 We felt that the limitations that are already in the code 1350 01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:53,639 kind of address the 1351 01:01:53,639 --> 01:01:57,679 concern of this being a new use introduced to the area. 1352 01:01:57,679 --> 01:01:58,559 Commissioner 1353 01:01:58,559 --> 01:02:01,760 Sanchez. Being that they're gonna have a homeowners 1354 01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:03,360 association here, is there 1355 01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:07,889 anything that would, I know a while back I heard where a 1356 01:02:07,889 --> 01:02:08,480 homeowner's 1357 01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:12,800 association had a percentage of that they would allow only 1358 01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:13,760 a percentage of 1359 01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:17,090 those houses to be rentals. Would something like that work? 1360 01:02:17,090 --> 01:02:17,960 Because a lot of 1361 01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:23,389 times those duplexes end up in investment property. But 1362 01:02:23,389 --> 01:02:24,079 being that this 1363 01:02:24,079 --> 01:02:27,519 is a homeowners association associated with these duplexes, 1364 01:02:27,519 --> 01:02:28,360 I mean is there 1365 01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:32,610 anything that I just I guess I was just throwing that out. 1366 01:02:32,610 --> 01:02:33,480 Could the homeowners 1367 01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:39,989 association state a what only a 1% of these duplexes can be 1368 01:02:39,989 --> 01:02:41,119 investments or 1369 01:02:41,119 --> 01:02:43,809 rentals? I believe that's certainly something they could 1370 01:02:43,809 --> 01:02:45,000 willingly impose but 1371 01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,550 the city wouldn't be involved in that process. Those would 1372 01:02:47,550 --> 01:02:48,260 be kind of private 1373 01:02:48,260 --> 01:02:50,730 deed restrictions imposed by the developer but but that 1374 01:02:50,730 --> 01:02:51,159 could be an 1375 01:02:51,159 --> 01:02:56,079 option that they could look into. Commissioner Beck. Thank 1376 01:02:56,079 --> 01:02:57,320 you chair. I have 1377 01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:03,130 several concerns here. In regards to Commissioner Sanchez's 1378 01:03:03,130 --> 01:03:05,139 concern about the 1379 01:03:05,139 --> 01:03:11,820 HOA. The HOA is the developers responsibility until the all 1380 01:03:11,820 --> 01:03:12,239 the 1381 01:03:12,239 --> 01:03:14,849 developments done. Is that correct? And then once that's 1382 01:03:14,849 --> 01:03:15,840 done then homeowners 1383 01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:19,199 take it over. I believe there's typically a trigger point 1384 01:03:19,199 --> 01:03:19,599 in there once 1385 01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:22,030 so many homes have been sold that it would transition from 1386 01:03:22,030 --> 01:03:22,679 the developer to 1387 01:03:22,679 --> 01:03:27,519 those homeowners. Okay. One concern I have about the it was 1388 01:03:27,519 --> 01:03:29,840 mentioned that they 1389 01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:34,420 would like to see that green area either taken over by the 1390 01:03:34,420 --> 01:03:35,760 city as a part or 1391 01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:38,480 maintained by a homeowners association and a homeowner 1392 01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:40,480 association with 47 1393 01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,800 dwellers units. I don't know your fees that have to be 1394 01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:45,440 pretty high. I would 1395 01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:48,269 think to maintain that as a part so I don't see that as a 1396 01:03:48,269 --> 01:03:49,440 feasible option. 1397 01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:52,909 Would love to see the city take it over but can we afford 1398 01:03:52,909 --> 01:03:54,119 it as in the budget? 1399 01:03:54,119 --> 01:03:57,510 So and I'm kind of throwing this out because I'm hoping the 1400 01:03:57,510 --> 01:03:58,599 applicants in here 1401 01:03:58,599 --> 01:04:02,219 now we can deal with it more detail when you get out in the 1402 01:04:02,219 --> 01:04:03,480 public hearing. We're 1403 01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:06,630 going from we want to go from an NR2 to an NR4 and there's 1404 01:04:06,630 --> 01:04:09,159 NR4 surrounding it. 1405 01:04:09,159 --> 01:04:15,239 The duplexes are a concern. I'm glad they're gonna be owned 1406 01:04:15,239 --> 01:04:16,440 , sold and owned by 1407 01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:19,920 individuals but my feeling and I discussed it with a couple 1408 01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:20,400 commissioners 1409 01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:24,929 earlier is that duplexes tend to have a higher turnover 1410 01:04:24,929 --> 01:04:26,159 into rental property 1411 01:04:26,159 --> 01:04:31,269 than single-family. So I think that concern is there. This 1412 01:04:31,269 --> 01:04:32,039 whole area is 1413 01:04:32,039 --> 01:04:36,809 surrounded by single-family residential dwellings bounded 1414 01:04:36,809 --> 01:04:38,360 by Audra on the north 1415 01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:42,800 and on the west, Mankenburg on the east and then as far 1416 01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:44,880 down as Paisley on the 1417 01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:49,420 south. What's the percentage of duplexes in those areas? Do 1418 01:04:49,420 --> 01:04:51,480 we know? As far as a 1419 01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:54,099 percentage I'm not certain I know. Just down Audra here 1420 01:04:54,099 --> 01:04:55,239 there there is a street 1421 01:04:55,239 --> 01:04:58,750 of duplexes I believe you all have seen a plat recently for 1422 01:04:58,750 --> 01:04:59,960 a continuation of 1423 01:04:59,960 --> 01:05:03,570 that neighborhood with more duplexes intended but you are 1424 01:05:03,570 --> 01:05:04,440 correct that the 1425 01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,789 majority of this area is single-family. I will say that the 1426 01:05:07,789 --> 01:05:08,840 density of it if you 1427 01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:11,280 look at it is not necessarily for example the neighborhood 1428 01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:11,760 to the north 1429 01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,909 exceeds three and a half dwelling units per acre as we kind 1430 01:05:14,909 --> 01:05:15,760 of discussed with 1431 01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,280 some of these cases there's an average of four to five 1432 01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:19,400 units per acre in this 1433 01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:24,199 area. And these duplexes they don't exceed the density 1434 01:05:24,199 --> 01:05:26,000 requirement? No they 1435 01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,460 would be within the density for NR4 as proposed. Now I will 1436 01:05:29,460 --> 01:05:30,480 say there there is a 1437 01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,769 you know potentially lot coverage issues and parking issues 1438 01:05:33,769 --> 01:05:34,400 that could could 1439 01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,590 impact the site design here the concept plan we've seen 1440 01:05:36,590 --> 01:05:37,639 here is certainly not 1441 01:05:37,639 --> 01:05:41,719 set in stone because NR4 does have a 60% lot coverage 1442 01:05:41,719 --> 01:05:43,199 maximum that that may be 1443 01:05:43,199 --> 01:05:46,150 hard to attain on some of these duplex lots as well as the 1444 01:05:46,150 --> 01:05:47,079 required for parking 1445 01:05:47,079 --> 01:05:49,670 spaces so the applicants aware of those challenges and 1446 01:05:49,670 --> 01:05:50,760 still looking at it but 1447 01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,230 this is kind of their their ultimate hope if they could 1448 01:05:53,230 --> 01:05:54,039 achieve this number 1449 01:05:54,039 --> 01:05:58,469 of lots. Okay and if you would go back to that site plan 1450 01:05:58,469 --> 01:06:00,239 that shows right there 1451 01:06:00,239 --> 01:06:05,130 okay now at the bottom there it indicates that proposed 1452 01:06:05,130 --> 01:06:06,559 street by others 1453 01:06:06,559 --> 01:06:10,150 I don't know what that means but when you look at the 1454 01:06:10,150 --> 01:06:11,599 concept plan it looks 1455 01:06:11,599 --> 01:06:16,710 like there is no street you can go into there so there's 1456 01:06:16,710 --> 01:06:18,599 not at this time if 1457 01:06:18,599 --> 01:06:21,409 there's a house actually there though isn't there? That so 1458 01:06:21,409 --> 01:06:22,280 that the 1459 01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:24,820 orientation of the concept plan had north to the left side 1460 01:06:24,820 --> 01:06:25,920 of the screen so 1461 01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:28,440 that would be this side the proposed street that it showed 1462 01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:29,440 by others would be 1463 01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:39,679 in this general area. Okay where does the east westbound 1464 01:06:39,679 --> 01:06:40,880 proposed street in the 1465 01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,639 conception plan leak up to the street in the adjoining 1466 01:06:43,639 --> 01:06:44,920 subdivision then will it 1467 01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:52,429 can you show us that? That proposed street. Correct I 1468 01:06:52,429 --> 01:06:53,760 believe it would roughly align 1469 01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:55,960 with this street like I said this this subdivision that was 1470 01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:56,800 rezoned last year 1471 01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,269 they do have a preliminary plot in and I believe there they 1472 01:06:59,269 --> 01:07:00,119 would be continuing 1473 01:07:00,119 --> 01:07:02,590 this roadway across. Okay but it wouldn't connect to the 1474 01:07:02,590 --> 01:07:04,119 subdivision on the east. 1475 01:07:04,119 --> 01:07:08,460 No the park would would kind of end the street in this area 1476 01:07:08,460 --> 01:07:10,039 . Okay and then the 1477 01:07:10,039 --> 01:07:12,500 only other thing I was concerned about was the idea that 1478 01:07:12,500 --> 01:07:13,199 that green area is 1479 01:07:13,199 --> 01:07:19,289 just with 47 residents is there an HOA fee to maintain that 1480 01:07:19,289 --> 01:07:20,480 would be too high 1481 01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:24,800 so the feasibility of that it's kind of out of the question 1482 01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:26,159 for me and I would 1483 01:07:26,159 --> 01:07:29,960 again I would be supportive of the city because that area 1484 01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:30,920 could use a little 1485 01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:33,699 park area over there. So yeah it is on the Parks Department 1486 01:07:33,699 --> 01:07:34,820 's radar they've the 1487 01:07:34,820 --> 01:07:37,329 applicants had that discussion with them I called parks a 1488 01:07:37,329 --> 01:07:38,199 few days ago just to 1489 01:07:38,199 --> 01:07:39,809 ask where they're at and they said it is something that 1490 01:07:39,809 --> 01:07:40,840 they're considering but 1491 01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:43,300 they're kind of weighing some options for this area of town 1492 01:07:43,300 --> 01:07:43,920 right now. Okay 1493 01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:48,119 okay thank you. Commissioner Ellis. Thank you chair so my 1494 01:07:48,119 --> 01:07:51,559 concern is knowing this is a zoning change and that's a 1495 01:07:51,559 --> 01:07:53,280 concept plan there's 1496 01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:56,170 really no guarantee that the park space would be there so 1497 01:07:56,170 --> 01:07:57,440 if this development 1498 01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:01,440 doesn't happen we've got this whole area's NR4 it would 1499 01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:02,039 certainly could 1500 01:08:02,039 --> 01:08:04,639 develop differently right because we didn't put any kind of 1501 01:08:04,639 --> 01:08:05,440 restriction that 1502 01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,920 has to be a park. It could I will say there are some 1503 01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:09,800 challenges with that side 1504 01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,260 of the property I think the applicant will probably have 1505 01:08:12,260 --> 01:08:12,960 some diagrams that 1506 01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:16,140 can speak to it a little bit better but the hatched area 1507 01:08:16,140 --> 01:08:17,239 here is a natural gas 1508 01:08:17,239 --> 01:08:20,460 pipeline that they wouldn't be able to develop on top of 1509 01:08:20,460 --> 01:08:21,279 there is also 1510 01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:24,640 somewhere in this general area running north-south a siz 1511 01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:26,079 able drainage easement 1512 01:08:26,079 --> 01:08:28,970 that was put in place when the subdivision to the south 1513 01:08:28,970 --> 01:08:30,199 developed so 1514 01:08:30,199 --> 01:08:33,060 there would be very limited space on that side of the 1515 01:08:33,060 --> 01:08:34,399 property that could be 1516 01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:38,119 developed with residences regardless of the zoning on the 1517 01:08:38,119 --> 01:08:38,960 property because of 1518 01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:44,600 those easements. So there's no guarantee we could put in 1519 01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:46,560 that it could must be a 1520 01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:52,149 green space with whoever does it. You could probably you 1521 01:08:52,149 --> 01:08:53,199 know I will defer to 1522 01:08:53,199 --> 01:08:55,659 Jerry on whether that could be a condition of the zoning 1523 01:08:55,659 --> 01:08:56,100 that that be a 1524 01:08:56,100 --> 01:08:58,569 green space but I would say it's unlikely it would be 1525 01:08:58,569 --> 01:08:59,279 anything else 1526 01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:03,319 because of those easements that are there. Stranger things 1527 01:09:03,319 --> 01:09:04,439 have happened so 1528 01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:12,239 that's my concern. The only question I have is this is 1529 01:09:12,239 --> 01:09:13,439 strictly a zoning case 1530 01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:15,909 the concept plan was just given for our identification of 1531 01:09:15,909 --> 01:09:17,279 what they think where 1532 01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:20,569 to look at more if it's good for the neighborhood for it to 1533 01:09:20,569 --> 01:09:22,199 be an NR4 full 1534 01:09:22,199 --> 01:09:25,920 stop correct apart from what they're presenting here to 1535 01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:26,479 Commissioner Ellsons 1536 01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:29,659 point this entire block we need to look at is it good for 1537 01:09:29,659 --> 01:09:31,560 to be an NR4 they 1538 01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:36,439 might not develop duplexes that's yet to be seen correct 1539 01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:38,000 correct yeah if NR4 were 1540 01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,649 approved you know anything permitted within NR4 could go 1541 01:09:40,649 --> 01:09:41,560 there the primary 1542 01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:43,729 uses that would be permitted would be single-family or du 1543 01:09:43,729 --> 01:09:44,439 plexes with that 1544 01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:47,619 limitation. There's no more intensive housing type that 1545 01:09:47,619 --> 01:09:48,079 could be developed 1546 01:09:48,079 --> 01:09:55,739 under NR4. Any other questions for Haley? Thanks Haley. We 1547 01:09:55,739 --> 01:09:56,439 'll go ahead and 1548 01:09:56,439 --> 01:10:00,970 take a five-minute break to get some food and be back and 1549 01:10:00,970 --> 01:10:02,239 get a presentation 1550 01:10:02,239 --> 01:10:05,159 on project types. 1551 01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:20,010 And we are back at 621 in the work session for planning and 1552 01:10:20,010 --> 01:10:21,800 zoning I'll 1553 01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:25,729 invite Julie Wyatt for presentation. Julie if you could in 1554 01:10:25,729 --> 01:10:26,560 the next nine 1555 01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:30,489 minutes or so it's give us an overview of this boot camp it 1556 01:10:30,489 --> 01:10:33,000 looks like. Then we 1557 01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,460 might table to the next meeting but let's kick it off now 1558 01:10:35,460 --> 01:10:36,039 and get started. 1559 01:10:36,039 --> 01:10:39,220 All right my name is Julie Wyatt I'm a senior planner with 1560 01:10:39,220 --> 01:10:40,279 the City of Denton. 1561 01:10:40,279 --> 01:10:44,750 Tonight I was tasked to talk to you about project types in 1562 01:10:44,750 --> 01:10:46,079 the approval body 1563 01:10:46,079 --> 01:10:50,630 and and those processes of project types. We have some new 1564 01:10:50,630 --> 01:10:51,760 P&Z Commissioners so 1565 01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:54,520 we thought this might be a really good opportunity to to 1566 01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:55,479 maybe take a take a 1567 01:10:55,479 --> 01:11:00,399 step back and start a broader conversation regarding some 1568 01:11:00,399 --> 01:11:00,760 planning 1569 01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:04,079 topics how those relate to the City of Denton some some 1570 01:11:04,079 --> 01:11:05,439 planning efforts that 1571 01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:07,640 going that are going on with the City of Denton. So so 1572 01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:09,600 tonight's the first step 1573 01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:15,430 and and and so so we'll get started. Tonight we're just 1574 01:11:15,430 --> 01:11:16,920 gonna bite off a 1575 01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:19,510 little bit of the piece and that is the project types and 1576 01:11:19,510 --> 01:11:20,479 the approving body. 1577 01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:23,800 We're also going to talk about public hearing requirements 1578 01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:25,399 just broadly and 1579 01:11:25,399 --> 01:11:28,699 then if we probably won't have time we can we can fold this 1580 01:11:28,699 --> 01:11:29,600 in at the next 1581 01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:33,720 meeting land development development review process and 1582 01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:34,640 then the development 1583 01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,109 review turnaround some of the improvements that the 1584 01:11:37,109 --> 01:11:37,560 department has 1585 01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:40,739 made in terms of processing projects and getting in through 1586 01:11:40,739 --> 01:11:41,720 the review process 1587 01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:45,770 and approval process. So that being said we'll get we'll 1588 01:11:45,770 --> 01:11:48,359 get we'll dive in. I've 1589 01:11:48,359 --> 01:11:51,680 arranged the project types and kind of how they they work 1590 01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:52,399 within the 1591 01:11:52,399 --> 01:11:58,340 development process. So we'll start off with with typically 1592 01:11:58,340 --> 01:11:59,760 the very first 1593 01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:03,689 concept plan that we look at within the city. So when a 1594 01:12:03,689 --> 01:12:05,199 developer or property 1595 01:12:05,199 --> 01:12:08,380 owner has an idea of what they would like to do they they 1596 01:12:08,380 --> 01:12:09,640 often contact the 1597 01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:13,760 city and start what's called a pre-development meeting and 1598 01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:14,319 what that 1599 01:12:14,319 --> 01:12:16,909 meeting is is they they submit a concept plan maybe a 1600 01:12:16,909 --> 01:12:17,920 narrative and some 1601 01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:21,710 questions to us and then we sit down with them for about an 1602 01:12:21,710 --> 01:12:22,640 hour and talk 1603 01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:26,369 through the city processes associated with what they would 1604 01:12:26,369 --> 01:12:27,680 need to do maybe 1605 01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:30,350 some regulations that they want to be aware of talk about 1606 01:12:30,350 --> 01:12:31,359 some challenges that 1607 01:12:31,359 --> 01:12:34,039 they may face with their development and just go through 1608 01:12:34,039 --> 01:12:35,640 that. So we often sit 1609 01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:38,010 down with the developer property owner sometimes they have 1610 01:12:38,010 --> 01:12:38,600 an engineer or 1611 01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:41,779 architect and then the city departments that are often 1612 01:12:41,779 --> 01:12:42,520 involved in these 1613 01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:45,760 pre-development meetings are planning building inspections 1614 01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:47,760 engineering fire so 1615 01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:50,420 we try to work through some of those those items that they 1616 01:12:50,420 --> 01:12:51,180 're going to be 1617 01:12:51,180 --> 01:12:54,829 faced with as they develop. There's no approval for it it 1618 01:12:54,829 --> 01:12:55,960 really is just the 1619 01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:59,140 beginning of a conversation with them so so it just it 1620 01:12:59,140 --> 01:13:00,399 stops at the review 1621 01:13:00,399 --> 01:13:06,760 process. The second project types type that we're gonna 1622 01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:07,720 talk about is is the 1623 01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:11,800 entitlement and and that's kind of the next step in the 1624 01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:12,960 process. So if during 1625 01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:16,779 the pre-development meeting we determine that the property 1626 01:13:16,779 --> 01:13:17,960 is in the ETJ and they 1627 01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:21,140 would like to come into the city then the next project type 1628 01:13:21,140 --> 01:13:21,600 would be an 1629 01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:26,779 annexation. This this Commission doesn't doesn't hear annex 1630 01:13:26,779 --> 01:13:27,539 ation so it goes 1631 01:13:27,539 --> 01:13:32,449 straight to City Council for approval. The the next project 1632 01:13:32,449 --> 01:13:33,600 types comprehensive 1633 01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:36,449 plan amendment zoning change master plan community specific 1634 01:13:36,449 --> 01:13:37,279 use permit plan 1635 01:13:37,279 --> 01:13:40,050 development amendment. If you've been on the planning and 1636 01:13:40,050 --> 01:13:41,159 zoning Commission for 1637 01:13:41,159 --> 01:13:44,529 a while you're very familiar with these and they follow a 1638 01:13:44,529 --> 01:13:45,880 process of staff 1639 01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:50,010 review public hearing P&Z as the recommending body will 1640 01:13:50,010 --> 01:13:50,479 make a 1641 01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:53,659 recommendation and then City Council will either approve 1642 01:13:53,659 --> 01:13:55,199 deny or approve with 1643 01:13:55,199 --> 01:13:59,130 conditions depending on the project type. There are a 1644 01:13:59,130 --> 01:14:00,239 couple more slides and then we'll 1645 01:14:00,239 --> 01:14:03,489 let y'all get get on to your next meeting. So once the 1646 01:14:03,489 --> 01:14:04,880 entitlement is in 1647 01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:07,770 place then you start looking at how the property is going 1648 01:14:07,770 --> 01:14:08,859 to develop and so we 1649 01:14:08,859 --> 01:14:11,579 look at things like platting and ESAs. So Deborah gave a 1650 01:14:11,579 --> 01:14:12,960 really good overview of 1651 01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:15,770 ESAs in this city and that we do have those environmentally 1652 01:14:15,770 --> 01:14:17,439 sensitive areas. So 1653 01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:22,659 if if a piece of property has what may be an 1654 01:14:22,659 --> 01:14:24,359 environmentally sensitive area on 1655 01:14:24,359 --> 01:14:28,439 it the applicant will put in a project to to the city and 1656 01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:29,479 they can either hire 1657 01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:33,130 a consultant or they can ask Deborah and her group to go 1658 01:14:33,130 --> 01:14:34,760 out and and and do a 1659 01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:38,489 field assessment of the property. Look at the biological 1660 01:14:38,489 --> 01:14:40,000 markers to see if an ESA 1661 01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:42,590 is present and what and then what the the limits of that ES 1662 01:14:42,590 --> 01:14:44,319 A are. So that that 1663 01:14:44,319 --> 01:14:48,279 ends with staff and it's either approved that or it's 1664 01:14:48,279 --> 01:14:49,439 either determined that 1665 01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:52,260 there's an ESA there and and what those limits are or it's 1666 01:14:52,260 --> 01:14:53,239 or the ESA is removed 1667 01:14:53,239 --> 01:14:56,000 if those biological markers aren't there. So y'all would 1668 01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:56,760 never see that 1669 01:14:56,760 --> 01:15:01,380 assessment. Items that you will see would be a subdivision 1670 01:15:01,380 --> 01:15:02,319 variance those don't 1671 01:15:02,319 --> 01:15:04,819 happen very often but if an applicant wants to vary from 1672 01:15:04,819 --> 01:15:05,960 sub chapter 16 of the 1673 01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:09,140 Denton Development Code y'all that would come before the 1674 01:15:09,140 --> 01:15:09,880 Planning and Zoning 1675 01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:13,119 Commission. Conveyance plats, general development plans and 1676 01:15:13,119 --> 01:15:13,800 then preliminary 1677 01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:17,949 plats. Amending and minor plots are approved at the staff 1678 01:15:17,949 --> 01:15:19,199 level. They're 1679 01:15:19,199 --> 01:15:22,140 typically either an amending plat it's a platted property 1680 01:15:22,140 --> 01:15:23,159 that maybe they're 1681 01:15:23,159 --> 01:15:27,109 either removing a lot line or they're or they're shifting a 1682 01:15:27,109 --> 01:15:28,439 lot line or maybe 1683 01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:31,869 they're correcting an error on the plat. That would be an 1684 01:15:31,869 --> 01:15:33,199 amending plat that's 1685 01:15:33,199 --> 01:15:36,399 administratively approved at the staff level. A minor plat 1686 01:15:36,399 --> 01:15:37,159 is a plat that is 1687 01:15:37,159 --> 01:15:40,340 fewer than four lots and no public improvements are 1688 01:15:40,340 --> 01:15:41,720 required so because the 1689 01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:44,310 impact is pretty low that is also a minor plat per the 1690 01:15:44,310 --> 01:15:45,399 Texas Local Government 1691 01:15:45,399 --> 01:15:48,350 Code and the Denton Development Code and once again that's 1692 01:15:48,350 --> 01:15:50,039 approved at staff level. 1693 01:15:50,039 --> 01:15:55,680 Do we wrap it up? Yes. Okay so I have several more slides 1694 01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:56,279 but we'll finish 1695 01:15:56,279 --> 01:16:00,359 that at an upcoming meeting. Sounds great. Thanks Julie for 1696 01:16:00,359 --> 01:16:03,359 laying that down. At this 1697 01:16:03,359 --> 01:16:09,710 time absolutely. I'm sorry I wanted to introduce Christy U 1698 01:16:09,710 --> 01:16:11,840 pton. Kind of come up 1699 01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,300 I guess and tell you a little bit about her. She's working 1700 01:16:14,300 --> 01:16:14,560 with Debra. 1701 01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:19,989 She's an environmental compliance coordinator specialist. 1702 01:16:19,989 --> 01:16:22,039 So I think on a 1703 01:16:22,039 --> 01:16:26,680 lot of the ESAs as all ESAs come in front of you I think we 1704 01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:28,439 'll be seeing her 1705 01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:32,500 and maybe Debra less I don't know but at least wanted to 1706 01:16:32,500 --> 01:16:33,800 put a name with the face. 1707 01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:39,439 As I transition out of the DRC process Cindy has taken my 1708 01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:40,239 position as an 1709 01:16:40,239 --> 01:16:43,880 environmental compliance coordinator. Anything related to 1710 01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:46,800 stone water, ESAs, 1711 01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:50,029 municipal setting designations, anything that falls under 1712 01:16:50,029 --> 01:16:51,319 the big umbrella of 1713 01:16:51,319 --> 01:16:54,039 environmental that will be something that she will handle. 1714 01:16:54,039 --> 01:16:55,399 She's coming from 1715 01:16:55,399 --> 01:17:01,210 the airport and prior to that over 13 years of experience 1716 01:17:01,210 --> 01:17:01,560 working 1717 01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:05,149 with municipalities in the Metroplex. So she comes with a 1718 01:17:05,149 --> 01:17:05,600 very strong 1719 01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:13,319 reputation and let's see. We wish them the best. Thank you. 1720 01:17:13,319 --> 01:17:16,199 Awesome welcome. 1721 01:17:18,319 --> 01:17:21,109 So thank you again Julie for starting that discussion 1722 01:17:21,109 --> 01:17:22,640 hopefully in either next 1723 01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:25,819 meeting or a meeting soon to come we'll have the rest of 1724 01:17:25,819 --> 01:17:26,720 this which is super 1725 01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:29,199 helpful. Thank you. At this time we'll close work session 1726 01:17:29,199 --> 01:17:31,800 at 629. We will meet 1727 01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:40,039 in council chambers and start our public hearing at 635. 1728 01:17:40,039 --> 01:17:40,119 Thanks. 1729 01:17:49,159 --> 01:17:49,300 Good evening and welcome to the Planning and Zoning 1730 01:17:49,300 --> 01:17:53,560 Commission meeting for 1731 01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:57,109 September 12th. I'll call this to order at 640. I apologize 1732 01:17:57,109 --> 01:17:58,119 for the delay we're 1733 01:17:58,119 --> 01:18:00,590 wrapping up items and work sessions so thank you for being 1734 01:18:00,590 --> 01:18:01,399 patient. The first 1735 01:18:01,399 --> 01:18:03,409 order of business is to stand and give a pledge allegiance 1736 01:18:03,409 --> 01:18:04,199 to the United States 1737 01:18:04,199 --> 01:18:06,800 and Texas flag. 1738 01:18:18,319 --> 01:18:43,560 First item on our agenda is the consent agenda. The chair 1739 01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:44,119 will stand for any 1740 01:18:44,119 --> 01:18:52,039 discussion or motion and as a point of order item 3C of the 1741 01:18:52,039 --> 01:18:53,079 consent agenda 1742 01:18:53,079 --> 01:18:57,239 item FP 18-0017 has been postponed will not be on the 1743 01:18:57,239 --> 01:18:58,439 consent agenda vote for 1744 01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:00,880 this evening. 1745 01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:07,699 Commissioner Ellis. Thank you chair motion to approve 1746 01:19:07,699 --> 01:19:09,119 consent agenda items A 1747 01:19:09,119 --> 01:19:13,640 and B. Thank you and Commissioner Beck. Second. First and 1748 01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:16,039 second any discussion. 1749 01:19:16,039 --> 01:19:30,210 Seeing none I call for a vote on the board. Motion passes 6 1750 01:19:30,210 --> 01:19:35,000 -0 with one absent. 1751 01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:38,750 Next is our public hearings. As a point of order we have 1752 01:19:38,750 --> 01:19:41,239 moved agenda item 3B is 1753 01:19:41,239 --> 01:19:46,670 in Bravo to 3A to hear the final replat first tonight so 1754 01:19:46,670 --> 01:19:47,960 with that I'll invite 1755 01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:53,550 Cindy Jackson for presentation on FR 18-005 and I'll open 1756 01:19:53,550 --> 01:19:54,239 the public hearing 1757 01:19:54,239 --> 01:19:56,680 for this item. 1758 01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:14,670 Thank you. This is a request for approval of a final replat 1759 01:20:14,670 --> 01:20:15,640 of lot 1R 1760 01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:20,359 block A of the hilltop ranch addition. The 3.5 acre site is 1761 01:20:20,359 --> 01:20:21,359 located on the west 1762 01:20:21,359 --> 01:20:25,899 side of hilltop drive you can see it right here. It is 1763 01:20:25,899 --> 01:20:28,239 located in the city's 1764 01:20:28,239 --> 01:20:32,050 extraterritorial jurisdiction or ETJ. The site was 1765 01:20:32,050 --> 01:20:34,239 originally plotted as lot one 1766 01:20:34,239 --> 01:20:40,050 block A hilltop ranch addition in 2006. It was subdivided 1767 01:20:40,050 --> 01:20:42,399 into two lots in 2007 1768 01:20:42,399 --> 01:20:46,760 and now here we are again subdividing one of the lots. One 1769 01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:47,760 of the lots was 1770 01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:52,500 developed with a single-family home and it is being subd 1771 01:20:52,500 --> 01:20:54,079 ivided into two lots 1772 01:20:54,079 --> 01:20:57,260 which you can see here is this lot and this lot that 1773 01:20:57,260 --> 01:21:02,039 continues on over here. The 1774 01:21:02,039 --> 01:21:05,970 plot as shown meets the requirements of the subdivision 1775 01:21:05,970 --> 01:21:07,279 ordinance and staff 1776 01:21:07,279 --> 01:21:11,560 recommends approval. That concludes my presentation. Thank 1777 01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:12,760 you Cindy. I don't see 1778 01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:16,479 any questions at this time. Okay. This is a public hearing 1779 01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:17,199 if anyone wishes to 1780 01:21:17,199 --> 01:21:21,760 speak on this issue may more than welcome to do so. 1781 01:21:24,039 --> 01:21:26,640 Seeing no one to speak I will close this public hearing and 1782 01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:28,119 open it for discussion 1783 01:21:28,119 --> 01:21:36,039 or motion. Commissioner Beck. I move we approve FR 18005. 1784 01:21:36,039 --> 01:21:37,840 Commissioner Sanchez. 1785 01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:42,039 We have a first and a second. Is there any discussion? 1786 01:21:42,039 --> 01:21:43,960 Seeing none I'll call for a vote 1787 01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:46,279 on the board. 1788 01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:56,460 Motion carries 6-0 with one absent. The next agenda item 1789 01:21:56,460 --> 01:21:58,960 will be the new 3B 1790 01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:04,550 which is Z 18-20A and Cindy Jackson will be presenting. I 1791 01:22:04,550 --> 01:22:05,399 will open the 1792 01:22:05,399 --> 01:22:11,000 public hearing for the item. Thank you. This is a request 1793 01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:12,159 to hold a public 1794 01:22:12,159 --> 01:22:14,720 hearing and make a recommendation to the City Council 1795 01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:16,119 regarding our request for 1796 01:22:16,119 --> 01:22:20,050 an initial zoning designation of neighborhood residential 3 1797 01:22:20,050 --> 01:22:20,840 and our 3 on 1798 01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:27,000 approximately 47.466 acres. The site is generally located 1799 01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:27,880 on the south side of 1800 01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:32,319 Ryan Road you can see here north east of the intersection 1801 01:22:32,319 --> 01:22:33,600 of Ryan and Andrew and 1802 01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:39,560 north of Creekdale View. The site is the subject of a pre- 1803 01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:41,439 annexation agreement or 1804 01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:49,439 PADA ordinance number 2016-215. This site is referenced as 1805 01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:50,560 track 1C in 1806 01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:53,989 the PADA. Two other tracks are included but they are not 1807 01:22:53,989 --> 01:22:54,840 the subject of this 1808 01:22:54,840 --> 01:23:00,720 request. The PADA governs the sequence of development and 1809 01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:02,079 contains land use and 1810 01:23:02,079 --> 01:23:06,529 development standards. The site has been plotted it was 1811 01:23:06,529 --> 01:23:08,560 approved in on March 21st 1812 01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:14,720 2018 with 137 residential lots and a density of 2.9 1813 01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:17,039 dwelling units per acre. 1814 01:23:17,039 --> 01:23:23,119 The PADA has robust development standards and requirements 1815 01:23:23,119 --> 01:23:23,880 which include 1816 01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:27,060 the traffic impact fee. Typically for a development this 1817 01:23:27,060 --> 01:23:28,520 size the city would 1818 01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:34,880 require $342,500 in traffic impact fees. Instead the PADA 1819 01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:43,100 required $589,100 in traffic impact fees which equates to $ 1820 01:23:43,100 --> 01:23:45,359 4,300 per unit. 1821 01:23:45,359 --> 01:23:49,779 There's also stringent tree preservation requirements. The 1822 01:23:49,779 --> 01:23:51,840 DDC requires 20% of 1823 01:23:51,840 --> 01:24:00,109 the trees on the site to be preserved. The PADA requires 76 1824 01:24:00,109 --> 01:24:02,699 % of the diameter 1825 01:24:02,699 --> 01:24:07,069 inches of the trees which equates to 82% of all trees being 1826 01:24:07,069 --> 01:24:10,039 preserved. Here's a 1827 01:24:10,039 --> 01:24:14,920 bit of a breakdown. There are 720 trees on the total site 1828 01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:17,199 and 590 of them were 1829 01:24:17,199 --> 01:24:22,420 preserved coming to 81.9% and then you can see a breakdown 1830 01:24:22,420 --> 01:24:23,039 according to 1831 01:24:23,039 --> 01:24:28,159 diameter inches which is 76.3% of the diameter inches being 1832 01:24:28,159 --> 01:24:29,960 preserved. You can 1833 01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:35,380 see on this particular exhibit that trees are being 1834 01:24:35,380 --> 01:24:35,840 preserved mainly 1835 01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:42,550 along the west and south side of the site. The sequence of 1836 01:24:42,550 --> 01:24:44,000 development for 1837 01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:49,960 this property was not typical. The typical sequence is 1838 01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:50,899 annexation 1839 01:24:50,899 --> 01:24:54,159 zoning site plan, preliminary plat and final plat. Per the 1840 01:24:54,159 --> 01:24:55,399 requirements of the 1841 01:24:55,399 --> 01:25:00,520 PADA, the pre-annexation agreement came first, the concept 1842 01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:01,920 plan, then the site 1843 01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:06,079 plan, preliminary and final plat, annexation which occurred 1844 01:25:06,079 --> 01:25:07,279 just last month, 1845 01:25:07,279 --> 01:25:11,960 and then zoning which we are here tonight. 1846 01:25:13,359 --> 01:25:19,039 Current zoning is RD5X as seen on the zoning map and the 1847 01:25:19,039 --> 01:25:20,279 proposed zoning is 1848 01:25:20,279 --> 01:25:25,720 NR3. The NR3 provides an excellent transition and buffer of 1849 01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:28,199 the NR4 and NR6 1850 01:25:28,199 --> 01:25:32,840 that is located to the south and east and to the NR2, a 1851 01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:36,239 buffer to the NR2. 1852 01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:42,920 Legal notices were sent out within 200 feet. We sent out 96 1853 01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:44,079 via certified mail 1854 01:25:44,079 --> 01:25:49,199 and we sent 192 courtesy notices via regular mail. We 1855 01:25:49,199 --> 01:25:50,960 received six responses 1856 01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:55,380 back which you received today. Those six responses you can 1857 01:25:55,380 --> 01:25:56,800 see on the map in red 1858 01:25:56,800 --> 01:26:01,640 and they equate to 3% of the property located within the 1859 01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:02,600 200 foot buffer 1860 01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:07,590 around the site. Three notification signs were also posted. 1861 01:26:07,590 --> 01:26:09,000 Staff recommends 1862 01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:11,890 approval of this request. It is compatible with the 1863 01:26:11,890 --> 01:26:13,159 surrounding property 1864 01:26:13,159 --> 01:26:15,880 and is consistent with the requirements set forth in the 1865 01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:16,520 pre-annexation 1866 01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:20,600 development agreement. That concludes my presentation. 1867 01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:22,680 Thank you Cindy. For the 1868 01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:26,159 edification of the commission and the audience, can you 1869 01:26:26,159 --> 01:26:28,399 mention also the topic 1870 01:26:28,399 --> 01:26:31,350 of road improvement that you mentioned in the work session 1871 01:26:31,350 --> 01:26:33,880 please? Right now I know a 1872 01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:37,319 lot of the residents surrounding residents are concerned 1873 01:26:37,319 --> 01:26:38,920 about traffic, 1874 01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:45,489 have traffic concerns for Ryan Road. The city staff is 1875 01:26:45,489 --> 01:26:47,319 aware of the issue. They 1876 01:26:47,319 --> 01:26:50,649 currently are doing traffic counts along Ryan Road to 1877 01:26:50,649 --> 01:26:53,319 assess the situation. They 1878 01:26:53,319 --> 01:26:57,109 are also, the City Council last night approved funding for 1879 01:26:57,109 --> 01:26:57,960 an update of the 1880 01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:01,890 mobility plan which is the first step in the road to 1881 01:27:01,890 --> 01:27:04,520 getting Ryan Road improved. 1882 01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:10,880 And then it is true that a light at Ryan Road and 1830 is a 1883 01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:12,520 text on mutual 1884 01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:16,470 issue. It's not a city. It's not a city issue. Okay. I don 1885 01:27:16,470 --> 01:27:17,359 't see any other 1886 01:27:17,359 --> 01:27:20,800 questions for you at this time. Okay thank you. Oh excuse 1887 01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:20,960 me, 1888 01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:30,439 Commissioner Pernitta. With the development sequence being 1889 01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:31,439 irregular 1890 01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:34,149 right now, the preliminary plan and the final plan have 1891 01:27:34,149 --> 01:27:36,439 already been approved. I 1892 01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:39,130 know a lot of the people that are here probably going to be 1893 01:27:39,130 --> 01:27:40,319 expressing opinions 1894 01:27:40,319 --> 01:27:43,920 about traffic and things like that. At this point we're 1895 01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:45,359 simply approving the 1896 01:27:45,359 --> 01:27:48,539 zoning, right? So there's, as far as everything else goes, 1897 01:27:48,539 --> 01:27:49,479 there's not much we 1898 01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:53,659 can do at this point. Is that correct? That's correct. The 1899 01:27:53,659 --> 01:27:57,079 applicant, that's true. 1900 01:27:57,079 --> 01:28:02,510 As I explained, the city is aware of the issue. They are 1901 01:28:02,510 --> 01:28:03,000 working 1902 01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:08,119 on getting traffic counts from the area right now and they 1903 01:28:08,119 --> 01:28:09,479 are going to update 1904 01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:12,420 the mobility plan which is the first step in improving Ryan 1905 01:28:12,420 --> 01:28:16,520 Road. Thank you. I do 1906 01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:19,840 not see any questions. Thank you Cindy. Do you have a card 1907 01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:20,880 to speak on this? It's 1908 01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:24,899 Thomas Fletcher, the applicant, who's in support. If you 1909 01:28:24,899 --> 01:28:26,359 would, when you come to 1910 01:28:26,359 --> 01:28:29,029 the mic say your name and address for the record and as the 1911 01:28:29,029 --> 01:28:29,760 applicant you're 1912 01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:36,350 provided 10 minutes. Thank you. Good evening commissioners. 1913 01:28:36,350 --> 01:28:37,279 My name is Thomas 1914 01:28:37,279 --> 01:28:41,479 Fletcher with Kinley Horne 5750 Genesis Court, Frisco, 1915 01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:44,600 Texas 75034. I am the 1916 01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:48,630 engineer for the landowner. Actually because of the PADA, 1917 01:28:48,630 --> 01:28:49,560 the applicant is the 1918 01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:53,210 city as part of the process, but we are here to provide 1919 01:28:53,210 --> 01:28:54,800 information and answer 1920 01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:57,770 any questions. I did want to, I sat in, I walked into the 1921 01:28:57,770 --> 01:28:58,760 work session, I believe 1922 01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:01,220 probably a couple minutes late into the presentation, but I 1923 01:29:01,220 --> 01:29:02,079 did hear a lot of the 1924 01:29:02,079 --> 01:29:05,260 questions. What I wanted to do is really just kind of talk 1925 01:29:05,260 --> 01:29:06,640 about some of 1926 01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:09,590 the questions that I heard and hopefully I can answer kind 1927 01:29:09,590 --> 01:29:10,680 of the process. There 1928 01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:12,800 were a lot of questions about the process and how did we 1929 01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:13,319 get to that 1930 01:29:13,319 --> 01:29:17,840 process. I have been on this project since its inception. 1931 01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:19,220 The original 1932 01:29:19,220 --> 01:29:22,180 landowners of the property had put their property up for 1933 01:29:22,180 --> 01:29:23,720 sale. They were marketing 1934 01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:27,470 it. A developer put it under contract. We had pre-develop 1935 01:29:27,470 --> 01:29:28,479 ment meetings with the 1936 01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:32,409 city. The landowners were concerned. They did not want to 1937 01:29:32,409 --> 01:29:33,800 annex the property 1938 01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:37,510 because the concern was if we annexed into the city and 1939 01:29:37,510 --> 01:29:39,199 then the developer was 1940 01:29:39,199 --> 01:29:42,050 not able to get the zoning he needed in order to do the 1941 01:29:42,050 --> 01:29:43,800 development, then he 1942 01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:46,319 would not purchase the property and now they're within the 1943 01:29:46,319 --> 01:29:48,199 city. So when we met 1944 01:29:48,199 --> 01:29:51,380 with the city, we talked about, okay how can we work 1945 01:29:51,380 --> 01:29:53,039 through this process to come 1946 01:29:53,039 --> 01:29:56,619 to some resolution that works best for the city and for the 1947 01:29:56,619 --> 01:29:57,800 developer that we 1948 01:29:57,800 --> 01:30:01,770 can both agree to. So as part of that process, the city was 1949 01:30:01,770 --> 01:30:02,279 , there were several 1950 01:30:02,279 --> 01:30:05,460 things. I'll talk about several things. One, the traffic 1951 01:30:05,460 --> 01:30:06,920 impact fees. The city was 1952 01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:11,279 in the process of looking at traffic impact based on 1953 01:30:11,279 --> 01:30:12,399 development, what those 1954 01:30:12,399 --> 01:30:16,079 roadway impact fees should be. There wasn't an adopted 1955 01:30:16,079 --> 01:30:17,319 ordinance at the time. 1956 01:30:17,319 --> 01:30:24,829 I think the initial thing that was looked at was a $3,000 1957 01:30:24,829 --> 01:30:25,439 per lot when 1958 01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:29,159 you look at single-family. I think $2,500 was what was 1959 01:30:29,159 --> 01:30:30,880 adopted. That 1960 01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:34,319 impact analysis actually had an analysis of what was the 1961 01:30:34,319 --> 01:30:36,279 true impact. When 1962 01:30:36,279 --> 01:30:40,109 we came through with this agreement, we said, okay well let 1963 01:30:40,109 --> 01:30:41,479 's negotiate this true 1964 01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:45,310 impact. So instead of us paying $3,000, which was kind of 1965 01:30:45,310 --> 01:30:46,880 being talked about at 1966 01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:51,680 the time, or $2,500, which is where the city ended, it was 1967 01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:53,840 a $43,000 or roughly $4,300 1968 01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:57,560 per lot. So this development, part of the agreement, was 1969 01:30:57,560 --> 01:30:58,399 going to pay more in 1970 01:30:58,399 --> 01:31:01,399 roadway impact fees. The other thing is, is we knew that it 1971 01:31:01,399 --> 01:31:01,960 was going to be 1972 01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:04,880 sensitive with the surrounding neighborhoods. The majority 1973 01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:05,680 of the trees 1974 01:31:05,680 --> 01:31:09,289 buffered the existing neighborhoods, so we decided, okay 1975 01:31:09,289 --> 01:31:10,720 let's do a development 1976 01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:13,899 that's internal to the main tree canopy. Let's preserve 1977 01:31:13,899 --> 01:31:15,380 those trees. Let's create 1978 01:31:15,380 --> 01:31:19,380 a high standard of tree preservation. So that was another 1979 01:31:19,380 --> 01:31:20,840 item that was a part of 1980 01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:24,500 that. And then one of the other items that I'll point out 1981 01:31:24,500 --> 01:31:25,260 is the city has a 1982 01:31:25,260 --> 01:31:29,079 lift station, the Granada lift station, that's just north 1983 01:31:29,079 --> 01:31:30,739 of the track. So in the 1984 01:31:30,739 --> 01:31:33,920 discussions with the city, one of the city's long-term 1985 01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:35,159 goals was to get that 1986 01:31:35,159 --> 01:31:37,869 lift station offline to save with the maintenance and 1987 01:31:37,869 --> 01:31:39,199 development costs. So the 1988 01:31:39,199 --> 01:31:44,489 developer agreed to extend a sanitary sewer line up north 1989 01:31:44,489 --> 01:31:46,000 of Ryan Road so that 1990 01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:50,149 the city could connect that system to that so that that 1991 01:31:50,149 --> 01:31:51,640 would enable them to 1992 01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:54,109 take that lift station offline, which would save on 1993 01:31:54,109 --> 01:31:55,279 maintenance and operation 1994 01:31:55,279 --> 01:31:58,630 costs long-term for the city. So we went through different 1995 01:31:58,630 --> 01:31:59,960 planning iterations. We 1996 01:31:59,960 --> 01:32:03,310 came up with different land plan layouts. City staff was a 1997 01:32:03,310 --> 01:32:04,640 part of that. There's 1998 01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:08,869 been a lot of changes in the city staff that from that time 1999 01:32:08,869 --> 01:32:10,920 to now. So but you 2000 01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:14,100 know we went through the iterations to come up with a land 2001 01:32:14,100 --> 01:32:14,960 plan that tried to 2002 01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:18,619 take advantage of the tree preservation, minimize the 2003 01:32:18,619 --> 01:32:20,680 number of lots, minimize the 2004 01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:24,899 impact, and just provide this natural development. The 2005 01:32:24,899 --> 01:32:26,420 other thing it did is it 2006 01:32:26,420 --> 01:32:29,670 created a preservation track 1B, which is the middle track, 2007 01:32:29,670 --> 01:32:31,079 which is roughly 22 2008 01:32:31,079 --> 01:32:35,329 acres, which has about 11 to 12 acres of floodplain. It 2009 01:32:35,329 --> 01:32:37,119 limited that in the future 2010 01:32:37,119 --> 01:32:39,819 to no more than three residential units. So that was 2011 01:32:39,819 --> 01:32:41,239 another thing that the city 2012 01:32:41,239 --> 01:32:45,420 saw as a benefit and then there was the remainder that was 2013 01:32:45,420 --> 01:32:46,520 became part of the 2014 01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:49,399 Good Samaritan piece that would eventually develop with 2015 01:32:49,399 --> 01:32:50,720 that. So really 2016 01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:54,119 I've got a updated aerial. I don't know if... 2017 01:32:54,119 --> 01:32:57,880 Yeah, can we turn the camera on? 2018 01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:05,340 So here's the development. So you can see the side has been 2019 01:33:05,340 --> 01:33:05,880 cleared. So 2020 01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:08,479 we've gone through the preliminary plat's been approved, 2021 01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:09,720 the final plat's been 2022 01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:15,529 approved, the construction plans have been approved. We've 2023 01:33:15,529 --> 01:33:15,960 done all 2024 01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:18,659 our clearing and grading. We've had our pre-construction 2025 01:33:18,659 --> 01:33:20,239 meeting. The sanitary 2026 01:33:20,239 --> 01:33:23,960 sewer has been started. The utilities are in process. So 2027 01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:25,479 just to kind of give you 2028 01:33:25,479 --> 01:33:31,439 an update where we're at in the process, we did an ESA 2029 01:33:31,439 --> 01:33:32,399 analysis and 2030 01:33:32,399 --> 01:33:35,979 went through that process with the city and had that 2031 01:33:35,979 --> 01:33:37,399 reviewed and met. There 2032 01:33:37,399 --> 01:33:41,479 were parameters with impacts to the ESA and the PADA. So 2033 01:33:41,479 --> 01:33:43,000 all of those items have 2034 01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:47,789 been followed according to the PADA. The PADA stated that 2035 01:33:47,789 --> 01:33:49,079 10 days within the 2036 01:33:49,079 --> 01:33:52,810 approval of the final plat, the owner shall submit for 2037 01:33:52,810 --> 01:33:54,439 voluntary annexation. 2038 01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:58,039 The owner has done that. I will say this, the current owner 2039 01:33:58,039 --> 01:33:59,479 developer, Dickerson 2040 01:33:59,479 --> 01:34:02,329 Development, they're not the one that actually negotiated 2041 01:34:02,329 --> 01:34:04,279 the PADA with the 2042 01:34:04,279 --> 01:34:09,319 city. That developer entitled the property and sold them 2043 01:34:09,319 --> 01:34:09,960 this tract. 2044 01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:13,750 They're developing this tract under the rules of the PADA. 2045 01:34:13,750 --> 01:34:15,920 But with that, I know 2046 01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:18,779 there was a lot of discussion in the work session. I wanted 2047 01:34:18,779 --> 01:34:19,600 to get up and kind 2048 01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:23,390 of provide a little bit of history, talk about a few items. 2049 01:34:23,390 --> 01:34:24,560 Show the side. I mean, 2050 01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:29,090 you can see from the updated aerial that the tree buffer 2051 01:34:29,090 --> 01:34:29,520 along the 2052 01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:33,449 south and the tree buffer along the west has been preserved 2053 01:34:33,449 --> 01:34:38,319 as obligated and 2054 01:34:38,319 --> 01:34:42,960 as negotiated as part of the PADA. 2055 01:34:44,319 --> 01:34:49,909 Thank you, Mr. Fletcher. I do not see any questions for you 2056 01:34:49,909 --> 01:34:53,680 at this time. This is a 2057 01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:56,210 public hearing. Anyone is more than welcome to speak. I do 2058 01:34:56,210 --> 01:34:57,880 have a card from 2059 01:34:57,880 --> 01:35:01,239 a Jay Leak. There wasn't an agenda item posted. Is this 2060 01:35:01,239 --> 01:35:02,119 item something you would 2061 01:35:02,119 --> 01:35:04,640 like to speak on? 2062 01:35:06,640 --> 01:35:09,640 Perfect. 2063 01:35:09,640 --> 01:35:13,159 Got it. Thank you. 2064 01:35:14,319 --> 01:35:21,840 Happy to answer any other questions or concerns. I'm going 2065 01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:22,720 to come forward and state 2066 01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:27,800 your name and address for the record. My name is Eric Clark 2067 01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:29,479 . I live at 3913 2068 01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:33,720 Andrew Avenue. It's just a general question. I appreciate 2069 01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:34,439 the 2070 01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:37,619 thoughtfulness that's went into this development and the 2071 01:35:37,619 --> 01:35:38,479 tree preservation. 2072 01:35:38,479 --> 01:35:41,850 But as a home that backs up to that, I've noticed several 2073 01:35:41,850 --> 01:35:42,760 of the trees have 2074 01:35:42,760 --> 01:35:46,449 died due to the excavation and the road work that's been 2075 01:35:46,449 --> 01:35:48,600 done. Is there a plan to 2076 01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:52,529 go back and reassess those big mature trees that have died? 2077 01:35:52,529 --> 01:35:53,039 It's a good 2078 01:35:53,039 --> 01:35:57,239 question, Mr. Clark. And we actually received other input 2079 01:35:57,239 --> 01:35:58,239 from residents about 2080 01:35:58,239 --> 01:36:01,420 this concern. Cindy, could you speak to the oversight that 2081 01:36:01,420 --> 01:36:02,319 happens on a project 2082 01:36:02,319 --> 01:36:06,640 like this? I'm not sure where these trees are, but 2083 01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:07,920 apparently they tried to 2084 01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:12,090 save more trees, as many trees as possible. And what 2085 01:36:12,090 --> 01:36:13,600 happened is the road 2086 01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:17,989 cut through the drip line of some of the trees, cut off the 2087 01:36:17,989 --> 01:36:20,359 roots. So any trees 2088 01:36:20,359 --> 01:36:25,789 that are lost will have to be replaced. And I was also told 2089 01:36:25,789 --> 01:36:27,180 that a lot of the 2090 01:36:27,180 --> 01:36:31,460 trees were responding to drought conditions. And the urban 2091 01:36:31,460 --> 01:36:32,939 forester, Haywood 2092 01:36:32,939 --> 01:36:36,350 Morgan, went out just last week and he noticed that a lot 2093 01:36:36,350 --> 01:36:37,560 of the trees that he 2094 01:36:37,560 --> 01:36:41,359 thought were dead are actually relieving now. So he thinks 2095 01:36:41,359 --> 01:36:42,319 that a lot of that was 2096 01:36:42,319 --> 01:36:47,510 due to the drought. And going forward, is there a point of 2097 01:36:47,510 --> 01:36:48,359 contact within the city 2098 01:36:48,359 --> 01:36:51,890 that residents could communicate with regarding the project 2099 01:36:51,890 --> 01:36:53,199 and the trees going 2100 01:36:53,199 --> 01:36:55,659 forward? Well, they can contact me about the project. The 2101 01:36:55,659 --> 01:36:56,600 trees specifically would 2102 01:36:56,600 --> 01:37:01,239 be our urban forester, Haywood Morgan. Okay, perfect. Mr. 2103 01:37:01,239 --> 01:37:03,760 Clark, are you good? Okay. 2104 01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:07,960 Question? Oh, Commissioner Beck. Wait a minute, Cindy. 2105 01:37:07,960 --> 01:37:09,279 Quick question for you. 2106 01:37:09,279 --> 01:37:13,710 You mentioned that the trees that have died as a result of 2107 01:37:13,710 --> 01:37:14,800 the street going 2108 01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:18,979 through, they'll be replaced. Will they be replaced there 2109 01:37:18,979 --> 01:37:20,560 or will there be 2110 01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:24,039 room to do that? That I don't know. They're going to be 2111 01:37:24,039 --> 01:37:25,399 replaced on the site. On the 2112 01:37:25,399 --> 01:37:29,119 site somewhere. Okay, thank you. Sir, if you could state 2113 01:37:29,119 --> 01:37:30,600 your name and address. One 2114 01:37:30,600 --> 01:37:33,090 quick question for her. What size are these trees you 2115 01:37:33,090 --> 01:37:34,319 talking about? I mean, 2116 01:37:34,319 --> 01:37:36,489 we're talking about 100 year old trees. Are we going to put 2117 01:37:36,489 --> 01:37:37,319 a two foot tree in? 2118 01:37:37,319 --> 01:37:40,600 That I don't know. They have to replace any dead trees. 2119 01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:45,600 They have to place two to one for inches. 2120 01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:50,039 My name is Billy Carraway and I live on Andrew Avenue. Our 2121 01:37:50,039 --> 01:37:52,199 concern is, what are 2122 01:37:52,199 --> 01:37:55,000 the quality of these homes? We have not seen any sketches 2123 01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:55,979 from the two meetings 2124 01:37:55,979 --> 01:37:59,159 we've had. I mean, express homes is down the road and are $ 2125 01:37:59,159 --> 01:38:00,960 200,000. Our house is 2126 01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:04,199 on Andrew Avenue. You can't touch them for under $400,000. 2127 01:38:04,199 --> 01:38:05,159 So what kind of 2128 01:38:05,159 --> 01:38:08,560 quality are we getting right next door to us? That's our 2129 01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:10,079 concern. 2130 01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:14,539 Could you speak to that developer? You can come in if you 2131 01:38:14,539 --> 01:38:18,239 have an answer, Mr. Fletcher. 2132 01:38:19,159 --> 01:38:24,750 So with the development cost and the cost of land, all that 2133 01:38:24,750 --> 01:38:25,600 factors into 2134 01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:29,100 really what a marketable home or what you can start a house 2135 01:38:29,100 --> 01:38:30,159 . The house prices 2136 01:38:30,159 --> 01:38:34,090 for this development will start no less than $350,000. They 2137 01:38:34,090 --> 01:38:35,399 estimate that the 2138 01:38:35,399 --> 01:38:39,640 houses will be $350,000 to $450,000. The two home builders 2139 01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:40,319 that will be in this 2140 01:38:40,319 --> 01:38:45,239 development are Perry Homes and Rendition Homes. So it's, 2141 01:38:45,239 --> 01:38:45,880 we are, I mean, 2142 01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:50,050 it's going to be a very high quality development, very high 2143 01:38:50,050 --> 01:38:51,279 quality product, 2144 01:38:51,279 --> 01:38:55,210 and it's going to be pricing in line with the adjacent 2145 01:38:55,210 --> 01:38:56,479 subdivision. 2146 01:38:56,479 --> 01:39:02,289 Thank you. If you can just explain the, maybe it might help 2147 01:39:02,289 --> 01:39:04,279 give an idea of the lot sizes. 2148 01:39:04,279 --> 01:39:09,399 So the lot sizes are, there's variable lot sizes. There's 2149 01:39:09,399 --> 01:39:12,180 60 by 130 is a minimum, 2150 01:39:12,180 --> 01:39:17,800 7,800 square feet. There are lots within the development 2151 01:39:17,800 --> 01:39:18,840 that are extra wide. 2152 01:39:18,840 --> 01:39:22,020 As part of the pre-annexation development agreement, one of 2153 01:39:22,020 --> 01:39:22,920 the things that we 2154 01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:26,970 heard from city staff is that there's not many homes or 2155 01:39:26,970 --> 01:39:28,880 many lots within these 2156 01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:32,479 newer neighborhoods that accommodate three-car garages. So 2157 01:39:32,479 --> 01:39:33,800 what we try to do 2158 01:39:33,800 --> 01:39:38,479 is provide some wider lots through the development. There's 2159 01:39:38,479 --> 01:39:39,039 actually, I 2160 01:39:39,039 --> 01:39:41,869 think it's a, I'd have to go back and look, but I believe 2161 01:39:41,869 --> 01:39:43,760 there's 25 lots that 2162 01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:47,729 have to be provided with the third-car garage. Now, you 2163 01:39:47,729 --> 01:39:48,600 know, that can be a 2164 01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:51,800 accomplished through a J swing front entry. It can be a 2165 01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:53,600 traditional three-car 2166 01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:57,140 front entry or it could be a tandem. So there's options 2167 01:39:57,140 --> 01:39:58,079 from the builder, 2168 01:39:58,079 --> 01:40:02,779 but what we try to do is build in lot sizes that would 2169 01:40:02,779 --> 01:40:04,520 accommodate and allow 2170 01:40:04,520 --> 01:40:07,939 for someone that wants to come in and be able to purchase 2171 01:40:07,939 --> 01:40:09,479 and have that third-car 2172 01:40:09,479 --> 01:40:13,489 garage and still have a nice lot, nice size house in the 2173 01:40:13,489 --> 01:40:14,800 development. 2174 01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:17,979 Christian Beck. Thank you, Chair. Mr. Fletcher, thanks for 2175 01:40:17,979 --> 01:40:19,920 that information. Can you give us an 2176 01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:24,479 idea of what exterior materials will be in use? So the, I 2177 01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:26,000 mean, the exterior 2178 01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:29,229 materials will have to meet all the requirements of the 2179 01:40:29,229 --> 01:40:30,119 City of Denton's 2180 01:40:30,119 --> 01:40:35,930 Code. Which are? I am not, I don't work a lot with the 2181 01:40:35,930 --> 01:40:37,479 house plans themselves. I'm 2182 01:40:37,479 --> 01:40:41,409 more on the horizontal infrastructure, doing the layout. So 2183 01:40:41,409 --> 01:40:42,720 I don't know that. 2184 01:40:42,720 --> 01:40:46,229 I'd hate to try and take a guess because I... You couldn't 2185 01:40:46,229 --> 01:40:47,199 tell us if they were all 2186 01:40:47,199 --> 01:40:51,449 brick and we had 40-year warranty roof shingles? Well, most 2187 01:40:51,449 --> 01:40:52,920 builders have certain 2188 01:40:52,920 --> 01:40:55,720 warranties that they, you know, that are standard in the 2189 01:40:55,720 --> 01:40:57,520 industry. So I mean, all 2190 01:40:57,520 --> 01:41:00,409 the homes will come with some type of warranty. I think 2191 01:41:00,409 --> 01:41:01,840 usually the foundation 2192 01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:04,930 is 10 years. I think there's a general one year. You know, 2193 01:41:04,930 --> 01:41:06,439 I haven't seen what 2194 01:41:06,439 --> 01:41:10,079 these two particular builders, what their warranties are. 2195 01:41:10,079 --> 01:41:10,600 So I really, I 2196 01:41:10,600 --> 01:41:14,199 wouldn't want to speak to that, but I know for them to be 2197 01:41:14,199 --> 01:41:15,560 competitive in the 2198 01:41:15,560 --> 01:41:20,000 market, they have to provide warranties on their product. 2199 01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:21,439 Okay, thank you. 2200 01:41:21,439 --> 01:41:25,239 Commissioner Ellis. Thank you, Chair. Mr. Fletcher, just so 2201 01:41:25,239 --> 01:41:26,239 I can remember the 2202 01:41:26,239 --> 01:41:30,260 plat, is the in and out just Ryan Road or Creekdale? That 2203 01:41:30,260 --> 01:41:31,840 is correct. Is that, that's 2204 01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:34,810 the only two connections? Yeah, there's the main entry is a 2205 01:41:34,810 --> 01:41:35,920 divided entry off 2206 01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:39,550 Ryan Road and then the secondary entry is off Creekdale. 2207 01:41:39,550 --> 01:41:41,199 There's actually Thistle 2208 01:41:41,199 --> 01:41:43,970 Hill, the development, if you were to pull their plat, they 2209 01:41:43,970 --> 01:41:45,239 anticipated when 2210 01:41:45,239 --> 01:41:47,779 they develop that there would be access from their 2211 01:41:47,779 --> 01:41:48,880 development to this 2212 01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:52,640 development and we... Thistle Ridge, right? Thistle Ridge, 2213 01:41:52,640 --> 01:41:54,720 yeah. That street, Thistle Ridge, right? 2214 01:41:54,720 --> 01:41:57,899 Oh yeah, it may be, yeah, absolutely. So when we went with 2215 01:41:57,899 --> 01:41:59,439 city staff, initially we 2216 01:41:59,439 --> 01:42:02,399 were looking at, okay, we need to make this connection. It 2217 01:42:02,399 --> 01:42:03,720 was planned for and 2218 01:42:03,720 --> 01:42:06,899 then as it was looked at because of the impacts to the 2219 01:42:06,899 --> 01:42:08,159 development there, 2220 01:42:08,159 --> 01:42:13,000 wanting to try and minimize that, create that buffer, that 2221 01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:14,439 's when then it was 2222 01:42:14,439 --> 01:42:17,430 decided between staff and the developer and based on 2223 01:42:17,430 --> 01:42:18,880 feedback and input that 2224 01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:22,060 let's do the two points connection because the the city of 2225 01:42:22,060 --> 01:42:22,800 Denton has the 2226 01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:26,270 remote access requirement for fire. You have to have two 2227 01:42:26,270 --> 01:42:27,439 access points and they 2228 01:42:27,439 --> 01:42:31,369 have to be a minimum separation of half the distance of the 2229 01:42:31,369 --> 01:42:32,680 longest diagonal 2230 01:42:32,680 --> 01:42:37,640 across the property. So with the two accesses provided that 2231 01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:38,119 met that 2232 01:42:38,119 --> 01:42:41,300 requirement, that additional connection to the adjacent 2233 01:42:41,300 --> 01:42:42,319 neighborhood wasn't 2234 01:42:42,319 --> 01:42:45,500 required and then we didn't have to go through the process 2235 01:42:45,500 --> 01:42:46,039 of really 2236 01:42:46,039 --> 01:42:51,470 interrupting them anymore or impacting them with that 2237 01:42:51,470 --> 01:42:53,760 connection. 2238 01:42:54,760 --> 01:42:59,000 I answer, Mr. Pletcher, thank you. Thank you. 2239 01:42:59,000 --> 01:43:03,079 I could in response to the question regarding exterior 2240 01:43:03,079 --> 01:43:07,039 materials, on page 22 of the PADA, 2241 01:43:07,039 --> 01:43:10,970 that's in your backup, exterior sheathing materials that 2242 01:43:10,970 --> 01:43:12,600 are permitted are brickstone, 2243 01:43:12,600 --> 01:43:16,569 smooth stucco, and wood, hardy and equivalent siding. Mason 2244 01:43:16,569 --> 01:43:17,880 ry, brickstone, or 2245 01:43:17,880 --> 01:43:20,710 smooth stucco shall account for 90% of the exterior sheat 2246 01:43:20,710 --> 01:43:22,800 hing materials. 2247 01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:29,850 Can I play that last part again? Which part? The last part. 2248 01:43:29,850 --> 01:43:32,279 Where 90%? Masonry, brickstone, or smooth stucco shall 2249 01:43:32,279 --> 01:43:35,359 account for 90% of the exterior sheathing materials. 2250 01:43:35,359 --> 01:43:38,159 Great, thank you. 2251 01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:43,439 This is a public hearing if anyone wishes to speak on the 2252 01:43:43,439 --> 01:43:44,560 item you know if I can do 2253 01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:48,210 so. So I'm going to walk down. After you speak we just need 2254 01:43:48,210 --> 01:43:49,680 you to fill out a blue card 2255 01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:52,859 right outside the door. But if you could state your name 2256 01:43:52,859 --> 01:43:56,399 and address for the record. 2257 01:43:57,399 --> 01:44:01,560 I'm Bob Highly and I live at 3855 Leisure Lane which is a 2258 01:44:01,560 --> 01:44:02,279 private road 2259 01:44:02,279 --> 01:44:05,460 directly across the street from the development. And I've 2260 01:44:05,460 --> 01:44:06,800 got two concerns. 2261 01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:10,010 One is they keep building these large developments over 2262 01:44:10,010 --> 01:44:11,359 Ryan Road and there 2263 01:44:11,359 --> 01:44:17,199 really is no way to get from Ryan Road to any place else 2264 01:44:17,199 --> 01:44:18,279 other than using Ryan 2265 01:44:18,279 --> 01:44:21,029 Road. And they're dumping hundreds and hundreds of cars a 2266 01:44:21,029 --> 01:44:22,119 day on Ryan Road and 2267 01:44:22,119 --> 01:44:27,020 why are there no roads being put horizontally with these 2268 01:44:27,020 --> 01:44:28,279 properties or 2269 01:44:28,279 --> 01:44:31,039 something so people can get get places. I can't get out of 2270 01:44:31,039 --> 01:44:31,720 my development in the 2271 01:44:31,720 --> 01:44:34,189 morning when schools you know we're in between three 2272 01:44:34,189 --> 01:44:35,479 elementary schools and it's 2273 01:44:35,479 --> 01:44:40,319 you just can't get out. That's one concern and when they do 2274 01:44:40,319 --> 01:44:41,600 make an in and 2275 01:44:41,600 --> 01:44:45,399 then out they may make it so difficult to get through that 2276 01:44:45,399 --> 01:44:46,600 development that you 2277 01:44:46,600 --> 01:44:50,699 had to have a GPS to even find the in and the out. And so 2278 01:44:50,699 --> 01:44:52,319 that's a major 2279 01:44:52,319 --> 01:44:58,699 concern. The other concern is I couldn't tell from I've got 2280 01:44:58,699 --> 01:44:59,159 a couple more 2281 01:44:59,159 --> 01:45:03,270 concerns. I couldn't tell from the plant are there larger 2282 01:45:03,270 --> 01:45:04,159 lots in the front of 2283 01:45:04,159 --> 01:45:06,750 this development than there are in the back which is 2284 01:45:06,750 --> 01:45:08,279 consistent with Hisohil 2285 01:45:08,279 --> 01:45:11,229 Estates which was part of the agreement and also with 2286 01:45:11,229 --> 01:45:12,640 Shadowbrook Estates which 2287 01:45:12,640 --> 01:45:15,500 was part of the agreement of our surrounding developers 2288 01:45:15,500 --> 01:45:16,560 that they would keep 2289 01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:21,350 the lots similar to the size of our lots. So that's concern 2290 01:45:21,350 --> 01:45:23,439 . And my last concern is 2291 01:45:23,439 --> 01:45:26,869 we were fortunate enough to be annexed into the city of 10 2292 01:45:26,869 --> 01:45:28,619 years ago with all 2293 01:45:28,619 --> 01:45:33,359 these promises of you know getting services from the city. 2294 01:45:33,359 --> 01:45:35,079 Today we still 2295 01:45:35,079 --> 01:45:40,770 have wells, we have septic systems, we cannot get cable, we 2296 01:45:40,770 --> 01:45:41,840 cannot get TXU 2297 01:45:41,840 --> 01:45:48,079 electric and are there any utility advancements that's 2298 01:45:48,079 --> 01:45:48,680 going to come down 2299 01:45:48,680 --> 01:45:54,760 Ryan Road to help us out? Sure I appreciate your questions. 2300 01:45:54,760 --> 01:45:56,960 The city, Cindy spoke 2301 01:45:56,960 --> 01:45:59,779 to some road improvements going on so that's at the council 2302 01:45:59,779 --> 01:46:00,479 level now to 2303 01:46:00,479 --> 01:46:02,949 hopefully get the mobility plan moving towards the roads. I 2304 01:46:02,949 --> 01:46:03,920 can ask Mr. Fletcher 2305 01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:07,310 to come down and answer the question about is there gradi 2306 01:46:07,310 --> 01:46:08,680 ating lot sizes from 2307 01:46:08,680 --> 01:46:12,520 north to south or are they uniform lot size? 2308 01:46:18,840 --> 01:46:22,989 They're relatively uniform lot sizes but what we did do if 2309 01:46:22,989 --> 01:46:28,920 you look, so we we set 2310 01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:32,359 the development off from Ryan Road so that there's buffers 2311 01:46:32,359 --> 01:46:33,279 all around the 2312 01:46:33,279 --> 01:46:37,210 development. So you've got approximately a 200 foot buffer 2313 01:46:37,210 --> 01:46:38,479 so you will not have 2314 01:46:38,479 --> 01:46:44,130 any homes in close proximity to Ryan Road. Then the buffer 2315 01:46:44,130 --> 01:46:45,760 on the western edge 2316 01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:48,979 I think down near the south I think it is as wide as a 2317 01:46:48,979 --> 01:46:50,880 hundred feet or 120 and 2318 01:46:50,880 --> 01:46:54,029 up towards the north I think it narrows up to about 80 feet 2319 01:46:54,029 --> 01:46:56,079 . So the lot sizes 2320 01:46:56,079 --> 01:46:58,680 are relatively uniform like I said there's some mixed in 2321 01:46:58,680 --> 01:46:59,840 there that are 10 2322 01:46:59,840 --> 01:47:03,210 feet wider to accommodate a third car garage but for the 2323 01:47:03,210 --> 01:47:04,159 most part they're 2324 01:47:04,159 --> 01:47:09,960 they're of relative same size. Thank you Mr. Fletcher. 2325 01:47:09,960 --> 01:47:12,960 Your first homes will be located right there. 2326 01:47:16,640 --> 01:47:21,199 Right to answer the comment about the entrance and the road 2327 01:47:21,199 --> 01:47:23,039 so the city it was 2328 01:47:23,039 --> 01:47:26,260 actually a discussion that they don't like straight through 2329 01:47:26,260 --> 01:47:27,319 roads because what 2330 01:47:27,319 --> 01:47:31,260 it does is it promotes cut through it promotes speeding and 2331 01:47:31,260 --> 01:47:32,159 then when you have 2332 01:47:32,159 --> 01:47:34,859 these residential neighborhoods where you have families and 2333 01:47:34,859 --> 01:47:35,720 you have kids that 2334 01:47:35,720 --> 01:47:39,439 are going to be crossing the street and playing you want to 2335 01:47:39,439 --> 01:47:40,640 make them safe so 2336 01:47:40,640 --> 01:47:43,590 you want to make it harder for people to use that as a 2337 01:47:43,590 --> 01:47:45,119 speedway. So that was 2338 01:47:45,119 --> 01:47:48,569 intentionally done and that was that was worked through 2339 01:47:48,569 --> 01:47:50,000 when we went through the 2340 01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:54,520 process of working out this land plan with the with the 2341 01:47:54,520 --> 01:47:55,000 city. 2342 01:47:59,000 --> 01:48:03,439 Can you set to the mic so make sure everyone hears? I like 2343 01:48:03,439 --> 01:48:03,920 the fact that 2344 01:48:03,920 --> 01:48:07,720 they're buffering the front of the development and I have 2345 01:48:07,720 --> 01:48:08,520 no problem with 2346 01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:11,890 the way the development is built but I think the city needs 2347 01:48:11,890 --> 01:48:12,640 to take into 2348 01:48:12,640 --> 01:48:15,869 consideration that people need to get from point A to point 2349 01:48:15,869 --> 01:48:17,039 B without going 2350 01:48:17,039 --> 01:48:21,619 you know three miles away and normally you have access 2351 01:48:21,619 --> 01:48:23,359 routes and they need to 2352 01:48:23,359 --> 01:48:25,819 take that consideration because the original plot I saw 2353 01:48:25,819 --> 01:48:26,319 when they were 2354 01:48:26,319 --> 01:48:29,920 going to develop Thistlehoe States is there was a road 2355 01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:30,600 straight through 2356 01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:33,779 Thistlehoe States all the way over to Hickory Creek and 2357 01:48:33,779 --> 01:48:34,840 somewhere along the 2358 01:48:34,840 --> 01:48:40,649 line that disappeared and I presume that this out in the 2359 01:48:40,649 --> 01:48:40,960 back of this 2360 01:48:40,960 --> 01:48:43,930 development is part of what was originally planned because 2361 01:48:43,930 --> 01:48:44,199 that 2362 01:48:44,199 --> 01:48:48,439 basically would go straight through but now they've turned 2363 01:48:48,439 --> 01:48:50,640 the road into that's 2364 01:48:50,640 --> 01:48:55,439 where all the trees are. Well your concerns have certainly 2365 01:48:55,439 --> 01:48:56,079 been noted by 2366 01:48:56,079 --> 01:48:58,920 city to make sure we look at the roads and the utilities. 2367 01:48:58,920 --> 01:48:59,960 Commissioner Beck. 2368 01:48:59,960 --> 01:49:06,050 Thank you Chair. Was it Hyrick? Hyatt? Hyatt? Hyatt-Lynk. 2369 01:49:06,050 --> 01:49:11,359 Hyatt-Lynk. Okay thank you. I empathize with your 2370 01:49:11,359 --> 01:49:15,539 concern about the traffic and then when we discuss the 2371 01:49:15,539 --> 01:49:17,000 preliminary and the 2372 01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:20,180 final plan that was a big issue with a lot of people how 2373 01:49:20,180 --> 01:49:21,279 unfortunately sometimes 2374 01:49:21,279 --> 01:49:23,739 we seem to put the horse before the carriage when it comes 2375 01:49:23,739 --> 01:49:24,560 to developing and 2376 01:49:24,560 --> 01:49:27,949 then put the roads in so I do empathize with you I wish it 2377 01:49:27,949 --> 01:49:30,239 wasn't that way but 2378 01:49:30,239 --> 01:49:32,989 what we're hearing now is there is some movement on 2379 01:49:32,989 --> 01:49:34,520 expanding Bryan Road it'll 2380 01:49:34,520 --> 01:49:37,359 be four lanes two lanes each way and I believe we'll have a 2381 01:49:37,359 --> 01:49:39,039 medium in it as far 2382 01:49:39,039 --> 01:49:42,800 as north-south roads go that depends on what's developed I 2383 01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:43,640 understand if you go 2384 01:49:43,640 --> 01:49:47,239 further on up you you get that kind of access going through 2385 01:49:47,239 --> 01:49:48,479 Forest Ridge so 2386 01:49:48,479 --> 01:49:53,590 those streets connect you to a northerly route as opposed 2387 01:49:53,590 --> 01:49:55,159 to going all the way to 2388 01:49:55,159 --> 01:49:58,630 the east for Teasley and all the way to the west so but we 2389 01:49:58,630 --> 01:49:59,680 do empathize with you 2390 01:49:59,680 --> 01:50:03,880 and I think every time these kind of developments come up 2391 01:50:03,880 --> 01:50:05,920 most of some P&Z 2392 01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:09,279 if not all of us are always kind of you know encouraging 2393 01:50:09,279 --> 01:50:10,560 staff to be aware of 2394 01:50:10,560 --> 01:50:13,430 the traffic conditions that they create when we do these 2395 01:50:13,430 --> 01:50:14,720 kind of developments so 2396 01:50:14,720 --> 01:50:17,409 and like I said I have no problem with developing 2397 01:50:17,409 --> 01:50:19,119 developments like that but I 2398 01:50:19,119 --> 01:50:21,899 think the city needs to take into consideration that they 2399 01:50:21,899 --> 01:50:22,760 need to provide 2400 01:50:22,760 --> 01:50:27,140 for some roads in the future I agree you're going they put 2401 01:50:27,140 --> 01:50:27,760 all these drones 2402 01:50:27,760 --> 01:50:32,119 side by side it's never gonna happen and that's on records 2403 01:50:32,119 --> 01:50:33,079 on public record 2404 01:50:33,079 --> 01:50:36,779 thanks and also where is the land going to come to why to 2405 01:50:36,779 --> 01:50:37,840 widen Ryan River is 2406 01:50:37,840 --> 01:50:41,100 it going to come off of our side of the street or the other 2407 01:50:41,100 --> 01:50:41,359 side of it couldn't 2408 01:50:41,359 --> 01:50:47,920 for you specifically but it's there it's there thank you 2409 01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:47,920 sir 2410 01:50:48,479 --> 01:50:53,439 is there anyone else who'd like to speak on this item more 2411 01:50:53,439 --> 01:50:55,279 welcome to step on 2412 01:50:55,279 --> 01:50:58,069 down once you're done speaking if you just fill out a blue 2413 01:50:58,069 --> 01:50:59,239 card and then when 2414 01:50:59,239 --> 01:51:03,680 he gets the mic state your name and mail-in address for the 2415 01:51:03,680 --> 01:51:05,840 record my name 2416 01:51:05,840 --> 01:51:11,949 is Betsy Casante I'm at 3933 Andrew Avenue regarding the P& 2417 01:51:11,949 --> 01:51:14,359 Z agreement can 2418 01:51:14,359 --> 01:51:19,199 you have explanation of what was previously approved versus 2419 01:51:19,199 --> 01:51:19,920 what the 2420 01:51:19,920 --> 01:51:23,609 discussions are today when it comes to the EDU's the lot 2421 01:51:23,609 --> 01:51:24,800 size the home square 2422 01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:30,460 footage for that particular area and then also regarding 2423 01:51:30,460 --> 01:51:33,479 the trees so I am my 2424 01:51:33,479 --> 01:51:36,449 house is to the back of the development that's going on 2425 01:51:36,449 --> 01:51:38,279 orange temporary fences 2426 01:51:38,279 --> 01:51:41,460 is kind of going to where it looks like maybe sidewalk 2427 01:51:41,460 --> 01:51:42,760 material might be put 2428 01:51:42,760 --> 01:51:45,229 down so I just would like to know what the orange temporary 2429 01:51:45,229 --> 01:51:47,960 fence is meant for 2430 01:51:51,760 --> 01:51:56,449 and then regarding the RD 5x current versus the NR3 2431 01:51:56,449 --> 01:51:59,199 proposed that was up on 2432 01:51:59,199 --> 01:52:03,260 the screen earlier a little explanation behind what those 2433 01:52:03,260 --> 01:52:05,000 two mean from current 2434 01:52:05,000 --> 01:52:09,039 to proposed and how that is affecting any changes that are 2435 01:52:09,039 --> 01:52:10,359 going on right now 2436 01:52:10,479 --> 01:52:13,960 yeah we can definitely get those answers the first one can 2437 01:52:13,960 --> 01:52:15,960 I invite Cindy back up 2438 01:52:15,960 --> 01:52:20,800 she mentioned an original approved to any changes was there 2439 01:52:20,800 --> 01:52:22,039 anything previously 2440 01:52:22,039 --> 01:52:26,159 approved on this property that was altered or changed 2441 01:52:26,159 --> 01:52:27,279 coming forth today 2442 01:52:27,279 --> 01:52:32,710 no this this property was not in the city previously when 2443 01:52:32,710 --> 01:52:34,640 this before this 2444 01:52:34,640 --> 01:52:38,069 started in 2016 the property actually had a non annexation 2445 01:52:38,069 --> 01:52:38,920 agreement on it 2446 01:52:38,920 --> 01:52:42,890 and there there were no previous agreements for what would 2447 01:52:42,890 --> 01:52:43,800 be on there it 2448 01:52:43,800 --> 01:52:47,880 had no zoning quite frankly until this is approved by 2449 01:52:47,880 --> 01:52:48,640 council it still 2450 01:52:48,640 --> 01:52:52,220 technically has no zoning the record the request about the 2451 01:52:52,220 --> 01:52:53,420 RD 5x that's what we 2452 01:52:53,420 --> 01:52:57,229 call a holding zoning we put the X after it to indicate 2453 01:52:57,229 --> 01:52:58,880 that this is not it's a 2454 01:52:58,880 --> 01:53:02,420 holding zoning it's not what the property is zoned it just 2455 01:53:02,420 --> 01:53:03,079 if the 2456 01:53:03,079 --> 01:53:09,439 property owner decides they want to develop without the 2457 01:53:09,439 --> 01:53:11,520 benefit of zoning 2458 01:53:11,520 --> 01:53:15,680 that they are restricted to whatever is permitted in the RD 2459 01:53:15,680 --> 01:53:18,600 5 district and then 2460 01:53:18,600 --> 01:53:21,119 are you aware or maybe mr. Fletcher be aware of any 2461 01:53:21,119 --> 01:53:23,239 temporary fencing put up is 2462 01:53:23,239 --> 01:53:26,420 there a sidewalk being constructed or can you speak to what 2463 01:53:26,420 --> 01:53:27,359 those fences are 2464 01:53:27,359 --> 01:53:31,079 glen orange the orange fencing that's protective fencing 2465 01:53:31,079 --> 01:53:34,279 around trees and I 2466 01:53:34,279 --> 01:53:40,239 can speak to that but the rest I can't yeah the the 2467 01:53:40,239 --> 01:53:41,319 existing orange orange 2468 01:53:41,319 --> 01:53:44,270 fencing is tree protection fencing but as part of the 2469 01:53:44,270 --> 01:53:45,720 concept plan and part of 2470 01:53:45,720 --> 01:53:49,239 what's been approved there will be a sidewalk that meanders 2471 01:53:49,239 --> 01:53:50,000 through the trees 2472 01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:53,930 one of the discussions during the early stages of the 2473 01:53:53,930 --> 01:53:55,760 project was hey how can we 2474 01:53:55,760 --> 01:53:59,050 how can we kind of incorporate this nice open areas let's 2475 01:53:59,050 --> 01:54:00,119 do a nice meandering 2476 01:54:00,119 --> 01:54:03,300 trail there's a lot of topography we've got open spaces 2477 01:54:03,300 --> 01:54:04,880 that have trails that 2478 01:54:04,880 --> 01:54:08,409 come up into those treat areas though there will be a 2479 01:54:08,409 --> 01:54:09,920 sidewalk a concrete 2480 01:54:09,920 --> 01:54:13,300 sidewalk that's constructed that will meander through there 2481 01:54:13,300 --> 01:54:14,199 to the north and 2482 01:54:14,199 --> 01:54:17,829 then it'll come down and and tie into the sidewalk that's 2483 01:54:17,829 --> 01:54:19,000 on the street right 2484 01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:22,289 there at the entry where the entry tees the sidewalk that's 2485 01:54:22,289 --> 01:54:23,600 in the open space is 2486 01:54:23,600 --> 01:54:27,039 is let me 2487 01:54:34,399 --> 01:54:37,380 so right here through the middle there is a open space lot 2488 01:54:37,380 --> 01:54:40,079 and that open space 2489 01:54:40,079 --> 01:54:42,949 lot is there because there used to be a gas well on the 2490 01:54:42,949 --> 01:54:44,319 site and as part of this 2491 01:54:44,319 --> 01:54:48,659 development we coordinated and negotiated with the gas well 2492 01:54:48,659 --> 01:54:49,399 operator 2493 01:54:49,399 --> 01:54:53,500 purchased the the rights to the gas well had them cap it so 2494 01:54:53,500 --> 01:54:55,079 that's another thing 2495 01:54:55,079 --> 01:54:58,060 that was within the agreement I didn't mention early 2496 01:54:58,060 --> 01:54:59,359 earlier but from this 2497 01:54:59,359 --> 01:55:02,960 point here to the north that is where the sidewalk meanders 2498 01:55:02,960 --> 01:55:04,119 through the trees 2499 01:55:04,119 --> 01:55:09,550 from that point to the south it goes along it goes along 2500 01:55:09,550 --> 01:55:11,760 the the curb or it's 2501 01:55:11,760 --> 01:55:14,939 within the parkway in the normal location adjacent to the 2502 01:55:14,939 --> 01:55:15,760 right of way and 2503 01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:18,369 that had to do more with topography and width it's a little 2504 01:55:18,369 --> 01:55:19,199 bit more reduced 2505 01:55:19,199 --> 01:55:21,859 width and you had a little more topography but there will 2506 01:55:21,859 --> 01:55:22,680 be a sidewalk 2507 01:55:22,680 --> 01:55:26,640 through that portion of the open space perfect thank you 2508 01:55:26,640 --> 01:55:33,590 Mr. Preneta to her question about the lot sizes so we have 2509 01:55:33,590 --> 01:55:35,560 a two just to the 2510 01:55:35,560 --> 01:55:37,739 north of this and a four to the south of this so these lot 2511 01:55:37,739 --> 01:55:38,840 sizes will be kind of 2512 01:55:38,840 --> 01:55:43,920 an intermediary size between what's above and below correct 2513 01:55:43,920 --> 01:55:44,439 say that again I'm 2514 01:55:44,439 --> 01:55:48,020 sorry she was asking about the lot sizes so based on what 2515 01:55:48,020 --> 01:55:49,520 we're seeing there's a 2516 01:55:49,520 --> 01:55:53,630 in our two to the north and our four to the south so these 2517 01:55:53,630 --> 01:55:55,079 lot sizes for her 2518 01:55:55,079 --> 01:55:59,069 visual would be kind of somewhere between kind of a that's 2519 01:55:59,069 --> 01:56:00,159 correct I mean I 2520 01:56:00,159 --> 01:56:03,380 would say that the southern part of Thistle Hill is the 2521 01:56:03,380 --> 01:56:04,399 size of the lots 2522 01:56:04,399 --> 01:56:07,789 themselves if you look at Thistle Hill as a whole on an 2523 01:56:07,789 --> 01:56:09,279 aerial there's really 2524 01:56:09,279 --> 01:56:12,890 no open space everything is put into the lots there's an 2525 01:56:12,890 --> 01:56:14,380 open lot that's on the 2526 01:56:14,380 --> 01:56:17,600 south end that's utilized for detention so our lots are 2527 01:56:17,600 --> 01:56:19,039 more consistent probably 2528 01:56:19,039 --> 01:56:21,750 in size or more similar in size with the southern portion 2529 01:56:21,750 --> 01:56:23,159 of Thistle Hill but 2530 01:56:23,159 --> 01:56:26,600 what we did is we took all that additional area and we 2531 01:56:26,600 --> 01:56:27,680 preserved it in 2532 01:56:27,680 --> 01:56:31,210 our open space so we have a much larger preservation area 2533 01:56:31,210 --> 01:56:32,319 but the lots to the 2534 01:56:32,319 --> 01:56:35,500 north there's if there are lots that are currently on sept 2535 01:56:35,500 --> 01:56:36,760 ic generally that's a 2536 01:56:36,760 --> 01:56:40,569 one acre lot or larger so that's going to be larger than 2537 01:56:40,569 --> 01:56:41,960 what we've got here 2538 01:56:41,960 --> 01:56:45,890 the lots that are just to our west that are the in our two 2539 01:56:45,890 --> 01:56:47,479 section of Thistle 2540 01:56:47,479 --> 01:56:50,250 Hill those are going to be larger the lots to the south 2541 01:56:50,250 --> 01:56:51,359 that are in our four 2542 01:56:51,359 --> 01:56:53,829 they're probably a little bit smaller but they're more 2543 01:56:53,829 --> 01:56:55,560 comparable and then Ryan 2544 01:56:55,560 --> 01:56:59,279 ranch that's to our south those are those lots are smaller 2545 01:56:59,279 --> 01:57:00,359 than what we're 2546 01:57:00,359 --> 01:57:03,189 proposing in the development so we're probably if you 2547 01:57:03,189 --> 01:57:03,960 looked at the 2548 01:57:03,960 --> 01:57:07,550 surrounding developments we're probably a mid-size lot 2549 01:57:07,550 --> 01:57:09,000 compared to what's around 2550 01:57:09,000 --> 01:57:15,239 us thank you very much thank you and miss Casante just as a 2551 01:57:15,239 --> 01:57:16,039 follow-up you had a 2552 01:57:16,039 --> 01:57:20,840 couple questions about specifics about was approved and 2553 01:57:20,840 --> 01:57:23,560 then the RDX RD 5x 2554 01:57:23,560 --> 01:57:26,739 those can be really confusing and so if you have any more 2555 01:57:26,739 --> 01:57:27,960 questions happy answer 2556 01:57:27,960 --> 01:57:31,140 or Cindy can certainly offline talk to you about all the 2557 01:57:31,140 --> 01:57:32,399 requirements that the 2558 01:57:32,399 --> 01:57:36,329 new zoning would have on the property what about the 2559 01:57:36,329 --> 01:57:37,159 minimum square footage of 2560 01:57:37,159 --> 01:57:42,750 the homes being built let me look in the PADA it's it's it 2561 01:57:42,750 --> 01:57:44,119 's within the PADA I 2562 01:57:44,119 --> 01:57:48,739 think there's a I think the minimum is 18,000 and then we 2563 01:57:48,739 --> 01:57:48,960 have to order 2564 01:57:48,960 --> 01:57:57,000 I'm sorry 1800 the home price would not be 350 I had 2565 01:57:57,000 --> 01:57:58,880 another just keep you on 2566 01:57:58,880 --> 01:58:08,600 your toes and then 45% are 2400 square feet and on the 2567 01:58:08,600 --> 01:58:10,640 minimum lot size the the 2568 01:58:10,640 --> 01:58:16,239 PDA specifies 7200 square feet okay yeah that would be 60 2569 01:58:16,239 --> 01:58:17,720 by 120 I think I may 2570 01:58:17,720 --> 01:58:24,279 have must spoke then if I think I said 60 by 130 thank you 2571 01:58:24,279 --> 01:58:25,960 for the correction 2572 01:58:27,359 --> 01:58:30,939 wouldn't yes please step forward again if you just fill out 2573 01:58:30,939 --> 01:58:32,319 a blue card state 2574 01:58:32,319 --> 01:58:35,300 your name and address for the record my name is Ken 2575 01:58:35,300 --> 01:58:37,520 Benjamin I live at 1009 2576 01:58:37,520 --> 01:58:41,949 Stoneway Drive on the south side of the deal I need to ask 2577 01:58:41,949 --> 01:58:42,960 him about the he was 2578 01:58:42,960 --> 01:58:46,750 putting a walkway around the property and he was showing 2579 01:58:46,750 --> 01:58:47,960 one side I wanted to 2580 01:58:47,960 --> 01:58:51,199 know about on the south side 2581 01:58:59,159 --> 01:59:03,350 I live down here in this far corner down here there's there 2582 01:59:03,350 --> 01:59:03,840 gonna be a walkway 2583 01:59:03,840 --> 01:59:09,489 coming through this set of trees so is there gonna be fence 2584 01:59:09,489 --> 01:59:11,720 line or a stuff 2585 01:59:11,720 --> 01:59:15,649 fence going through there to block off a property or is it 2586 01:59:15,649 --> 01:59:15,920 gonna be open no 2587 01:59:15,920 --> 01:59:19,569 there so each individual lot will have the builder fence on 2588 01:59:19,569 --> 01:59:20,720 the backside of the 2589 01:59:20,720 --> 01:59:26,359 lot so with the open spaces I believe in the PDA all the 2590 01:59:26,359 --> 01:59:27,560 lots that back to the 2591 01:59:27,560 --> 01:59:31,090 open space have a wrought iron or tubular steel fence so 2592 01:59:31,090 --> 01:59:32,239 that that because 2593 01:59:32,239 --> 01:59:35,850 you've got that nice 80-foot buffer along that south end 2594 01:59:35,850 --> 01:59:36,800 with those trees 2595 01:59:36,800 --> 01:59:40,090 there will be fences but they're gonna be offset from the 2596 01:59:40,090 --> 01:59:41,279 development to the 2597 01:59:41,279 --> 01:59:44,890 south along the builder lots so that the views of those 2598 01:59:44,890 --> 01:59:46,920 existing trees enjoyed 2599 01:59:46,920 --> 01:59:49,760 hate to interrupt can you raise that sheet just a little 2600 01:59:49,760 --> 01:59:50,640 bit and point to 2601 01:59:50,640 --> 01:59:54,920 where you're specifically speaking of so down here in Ryan 2602 01:59:54,920 --> 01:59:56,920 wrench he's asking if 2603 01:59:56,920 --> 01:59:59,479 there's going to be a fence so if you look at the clearing 2604 01:59:59,479 --> 02:00:00,399 area so basically 2605 02:00:00,399 --> 02:00:05,840 what we did you can see the lots superimposed on the aerial 2606 02:00:05,840 --> 02:00:06,600 and you can 2607 02:00:06,600 --> 02:00:09,819 see that there's probably about 10 feet of clearing just 2608 02:00:09,819 --> 02:00:11,159 past the lot line and 2609 02:00:11,159 --> 02:00:14,659 that was for building retaining walls drainage wells and so 2610 02:00:14,659 --> 02:00:15,439 forth to make 2611 02:00:15,439 --> 02:00:18,779 everything work from an engineering standpoint these lots 2612 02:00:18,779 --> 02:00:20,199 will have fences 2613 02:00:20,199 --> 02:00:24,899 on them I believe in the PDA because they're backing to in 2614 02:00:24,899 --> 02:00:26,560 the PDA was done 2615 02:00:26,560 --> 02:00:30,000 back in 2016 so it's been a while since I've looked at it 2616 02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:31,279 real closely in the 2617 02:00:31,279 --> 02:00:34,979 exhibit but we had exhibits that showed where wrought iron 2618 02:00:34,979 --> 02:00:35,619 or tubular steel 2619 02:00:35,619 --> 02:00:39,550 fencing would have to be provided because of the open space 2620 02:00:39,550 --> 02:00:40,479 and I believe 2621 02:00:40,479 --> 02:00:44,199 all the open space lots if you back to an open space it's a 2622 02:00:44,199 --> 02:00:44,880 it's a tubular 2623 02:00:44,880 --> 02:00:49,020 steel fence so that you enjoy and get to to you know it's 2624 02:00:49,020 --> 02:00:50,520 kind of creating that 2625 02:00:50,520 --> 02:00:53,470 open space bring it into your backyard so there'll be a 2626 02:00:53,470 --> 02:00:54,640 fence it's I believe 2627 02:00:54,640 --> 02:00:57,539 it's likely to be a tubular steel fence that allows the 2628 02:00:57,539 --> 02:00:58,800 view of the open space 2629 02:00:58,800 --> 02:01:04,670 but this this separation along here with those trees there 2630 02:01:04,670 --> 02:01:05,760 's not going to be any 2631 02:01:05,760 --> 02:01:09,369 sidewalk and that is just going to remain a preservation 2632 02:01:09,369 --> 02:01:10,520 area okay that's 2633 02:01:10,520 --> 02:01:17,289 what I'm the sanitary sewer does come down and connect on 2634 02:01:17,289 --> 02:01:18,399 this corner right 2635 02:01:18,399 --> 02:01:22,439 but there's nothing along this back perimeter area yeah I 2636 02:01:22,439 --> 02:01:22,840 was I was 2637 02:01:22,840 --> 02:01:25,300 concerned with that so we wouldn't have to build a bigger 2638 02:01:25,300 --> 02:01:26,039 fence in our backyard 2639 02:01:26,039 --> 02:01:30,359 so we could enjoy these trees too right so okay what's the 2640 02:01:30,359 --> 02:01:31,359 deal with the they 2641 02:01:31,359 --> 02:01:34,840 gonna do anything with the pond the pond is to remain and 2642 02:01:34,840 --> 02:01:36,279 there's a budget to put 2643 02:01:36,279 --> 02:01:40,640 a fountain in it so they'll they'll once the development 2644 02:01:40,640 --> 02:01:41,399 gets finished and they 2645 02:01:41,399 --> 02:01:44,840 come in and start doing the the landscape and hardscape and 2646 02:01:44,840 --> 02:01:45,420 amenity 2647 02:01:45,420 --> 02:01:48,939 package there will be a fountain placed in the in the pod 2648 02:01:48,939 --> 02:01:50,279 to aerate it and have 2649 02:01:50,279 --> 02:01:56,239 it as a amenity to the development okay thanks thank you of 2650 02:01:56,239 --> 02:01:56,880 course thank you 2651 02:01:56,880 --> 02:02:01,210 mr. Fletcher more than welcome to come forward if you could 2652 02:02:01,210 --> 02:02:02,319 just fill out a 2653 02:02:02,319 --> 02:02:06,479 card set your name and address for the record Tracy Jenkins 2654 02:02:06,479 --> 02:02:07,979 I lit 801 day 2655 02:02:07,979 --> 02:02:11,560 spring and I have a question about the road that's coming 2656 02:02:11,560 --> 02:02:12,920 through connecting to 2657 02:02:12,920 --> 02:02:35,420 creak down so the track when Ryan ranch and when this will 2658 02:02:35,420 --> 02:02:35,880 hill develop there 2659 02:02:35,880 --> 02:02:39,239 was a 80 foot wide spike strip through there kind of 2660 02:02:39,239 --> 02:02:41,920 created a flag lot and so 2661 02:02:41,920 --> 02:02:45,500 the roadway that's going to be constructed it'll be the to 2662 02:02:45,500 --> 02:02:46,119 the city 2663 02:02:46,119 --> 02:02:50,050 standard it'll be a typical concrete curb and gutter road 2664 02:02:50,050 --> 02:02:51,680 way if you so close 2665 02:02:51,680 --> 02:02:55,939 we can turn the mic walking down where is Creekdale Creek 2666 02:02:55,939 --> 02:02:57,479 dale is just here it's 2667 02:02:57,479 --> 02:03:01,239 running across here east-west 2668 02:03:02,199 --> 02:03:16,279 yeah I because it comes out do you have on your 2669 02:03:16,279 --> 02:03:17,199 presentation so it's gonna come 2670 02:03:17,199 --> 02:03:20,720 out here correct and dead end so you're gonna have all 2671 02:03:20,720 --> 02:03:21,680 those people cutting 2672 02:03:21,680 --> 02:03:25,149 through to a dead end and then they're gonna take a left 2673 02:03:25,149 --> 02:03:26,359 and then be taken 2674 02:03:26,359 --> 02:03:30,619 right all going down there well the traffic impact analysis 2675 02:03:30,619 --> 02:03:31,279 has been done 2676 02:03:31,279 --> 02:03:35,270 and we've looked at the traffic patterns most traffic will 2677 02:03:35,270 --> 02:03:36,680 actually go to Ryan 2678 02:03:36,680 --> 02:03:41,369 and then go east with a small percentage going west so even 2679 02:03:41,369 --> 02:03:42,199 though the 2680 02:03:42,199 --> 02:03:46,729 connections there because of the access because of the 2681 02:03:46,729 --> 02:03:48,319 route to get I mean you 2682 02:03:48,319 --> 02:03:51,180 may have you you certainly can't have traffic people are 2683 02:03:51,180 --> 02:03:52,119 gonna typically 2684 02:03:52,119 --> 02:03:56,649 choose the quickest route but you it does have connectivity 2685 02:03:56,649 --> 02:03:58,319 to Creekdale where 2686 02:03:58,319 --> 02:04:01,500 they can turn right and or turn left and then do a right 2687 02:04:01,500 --> 02:04:03,180 and then go down to is 2688 02:04:03,180 --> 02:04:05,960 it Hickory Creek or 2689 02:04:05,960 --> 02:04:09,640 I think I'm trying right in Creekdale or that Creekdale 2690 02:04:09,640 --> 02:04:11,600 area specifically no so 2691 02:04:11,600 --> 02:04:15,180 Creekdale across our frontage is already improved Creekdale 2692 02:04:15,180 --> 02:04:15,840 on the city's 2693 02:04:15,840 --> 02:04:20,029 mobility plan is a collector roadway which is a 65 foot 2694 02:04:20,029 --> 02:04:21,439 right of way at the 2695 02:04:21,439 --> 02:04:24,319 time it was a 37 foot back-to-back roadway the city's 2696 02:04:24,319 --> 02:04:25,079 updated their 2697 02:04:25,079 --> 02:04:29,010 standards so new collectors would be I believe 39 or 41 2698 02:04:29,010 --> 02:04:30,840 foot back-to-back but 2699 02:04:30,840 --> 02:04:34,020 because it's improved in front of our frontage there's this 2700 02:04:34,020 --> 02:04:34,800 tract has no 2701 02:04:34,800 --> 02:04:39,159 obligation there's no improvements to the to the to Creek 2702 02:04:39,159 --> 02:04:40,960 dale down here as 2703 02:04:40,960 --> 02:04:44,890 these other tracks develop or if there is a city initiated 2704 02:04:44,890 --> 02:04:45,920 project then 2705 02:04:45,920 --> 02:04:49,500 Creekdale would eventually extend to the east and connect 2706 02:04:49,500 --> 02:04:51,279 to where it's currently 2707 02:04:51,279 --> 02:04:54,920 stopped with the I believe it's forest Meadows project but 2708 02:04:54,920 --> 02:04:55,600 it may be a 2709 02:04:55,600 --> 02:04:59,260 different subdivision but there is a gap currently right 2710 02:04:59,260 --> 02:05:00,220 now that is 2711 02:05:00,220 --> 02:05:03,829 undeveloped a portion of Creekdale and generally that would 2712 02:05:03,829 --> 02:05:04,279 occur with 2713 02:05:04,279 --> 02:05:08,800 development of those of those tracks of land 2714 02:05:11,800 --> 02:05:16,079 I mean all the people that cut through thistle hills now 2715 02:05:16,079 --> 02:05:17,800 you have all of them 2716 02:05:17,800 --> 02:05:23,020 coming down where it dead ends around the corner 90 degrees 2717 02:05:23,020 --> 02:05:24,199 and then you're 2718 02:05:24,199 --> 02:05:27,720 gonna have all these people come into a T basically trying 2719 02:05:27,720 --> 02:05:28,840 to cut around and 2720 02:05:28,840 --> 02:05:32,949 sneak around and take a right down I don't know what the 2721 02:05:32,949 --> 02:05:33,880 name of that road is 2722 02:05:33,880 --> 02:05:39,029 down River Pass yeah down River Pass and I'm not sure if 2723 02:05:39,029 --> 02:05:41,560 River Pass is a collector or not it looks it 2724 02:05:41,560 --> 02:05:45,489 appears to be a big road I mean it's it can handle it but 2725 02:05:45,489 --> 02:05:46,600 that that little 2726 02:05:46,600 --> 02:05:49,899 intersection right there is gonna be well Creekdale should 2727 02:05:49,899 --> 02:05:51,039 be constructed as 2728 02:05:51,039 --> 02:05:54,300 a collector so it should be 37 foot back-to-back which 2729 02:05:54,300 --> 02:05:55,600 which generally a 2730 02:05:55,600 --> 02:06:00,710 collector allows about typically 10,000 to 12,000 vehicles 2731 02:06:00,710 --> 02:06:02,520 per day so both 2732 02:06:02,520 --> 02:06:09,119 Creekdale and River Pass are currently collectors I'm 2733 02:06:09,119 --> 02:06:11,840 worried about that intersection and everyone trying to cut 2734 02:06:11,840 --> 02:06:16,319 through there and then be trying to take that corner 2735 02:06:16,319 --> 02:06:21,909 I'm gonna interject here Ms. Jenkins I think all your your 2736 02:06:21,909 --> 02:06:23,439 points are valid for 2737 02:06:23,439 --> 02:06:26,640 the sake of the audience I would ask if there's a sidebar 2738 02:06:26,640 --> 02:06:27,319 conversation Mr. 2739 02:06:27,319 --> 02:06:29,859 Fletcher if you could hang out right after the item that'd 2740 02:06:29,859 --> 02:06:30,840 be helpful I want 2741 02:06:30,840 --> 02:06:34,920 to remind everyone here that this the plat is actually 2742 02:06:34,920 --> 02:06:36,439 finalized that the 2743 02:06:36,439 --> 02:06:40,619 road structure everything is has been approved by the city 2744 02:06:40,619 --> 02:06:41,880 and so any impact 2745 02:06:41,880 --> 02:06:45,810 to traffic is being assessed now and road improvements will 2746 02:06:45,810 --> 02:06:46,840 be made from a city 2747 02:06:46,840 --> 02:06:49,319 perspective on Ryan or Creekdale or however it's being 2748 02:06:49,319 --> 02:06:50,319 impacted by the city 2749 02:06:50,319 --> 02:06:52,779 what we're looking at specifically tonight is to go ahead 2750 02:06:52,779 --> 02:06:53,399 and approve the 2751 02:06:53,399 --> 02:06:57,750 actual zoning to go forward the project we're unable to 2752 02:06:57,750 --> 02:06:59,560 look at a redirection of 2753 02:06:59,560 --> 02:07:03,170 roads or or the actual platting that's been finalized by 2754 02:07:03,170 --> 02:07:06,119 the city at this point 2755 02:07:09,439 --> 02:07:14,659 with that said if anyone has anything about the zoning or 2756 02:07:14,659 --> 02:07:16,199 density be happy to 2757 02:07:16,199 --> 02:07:23,159 answer those those inquiries sir typically we have one 2758 02:07:23,159 --> 02:07:24,640 allocation to speak 2759 02:07:24,640 --> 02:07:28,880 if you'd like to come down that's one more question I'll 2760 02:07:28,880 --> 02:07:35,920 allow it I just didn't 2761 02:07:35,920 --> 02:07:38,460 get one of my questions answered from earlier is what 2762 02:07:38,460 --> 02:07:39,520 happened to the road 2763 02:07:39,520 --> 02:07:42,409 that was originally shown cutting all the way through which 2764 02:07:42,409 --> 02:07:43,279 is what they were 2765 02:07:43,279 --> 02:07:47,960 just talking about and they left they left that part on the 2766 02:07:47,960 --> 02:07:48,359 back of the 2767 02:07:48,359 --> 02:07:51,539 property and originally there was a road going all the way 2768 02:07:51,539 --> 02:07:51,960 through on some 2769 02:07:51,960 --> 02:07:56,020 plats I saw along not plats but I think they were just city 2770 02:07:56,020 --> 02:07:57,399 projection drawings 2771 02:07:57,399 --> 02:08:02,270 or something I can't speak to any concept plans what I know 2772 02:08:02,270 --> 02:08:03,279 is the plenary plat 2773 02:08:03,279 --> 02:08:05,750 that went through this Commission as well as the final plat 2774 02:08:05,750 --> 02:08:06,399 had the the 2775 02:08:06,399 --> 02:08:09,119 mazing of the road so I'm not sure if there's a concept 2776 02:08:09,119 --> 02:08:10,199 planned in the past 2777 02:08:10,199 --> 02:08:13,399 that certainly wasn't brought forward to the plotting stage 2778 02:08:13,399 --> 02:08:14,800 and if Cindy you have 2779 02:08:14,800 --> 02:08:18,199 any context to that I just like to say I think you need to 2780 02:08:18,199 --> 02:08:18,920 take into 2781 02:08:18,920 --> 02:08:21,539 consideration that it is going to be dangerous because 2782 02:08:21,539 --> 02:08:22,560 people will be cutting 2783 02:08:22,560 --> 02:08:25,739 through there everybody I know cuts through this all of the 2784 02:08:25,739 --> 02:08:26,720 states now and 2785 02:08:26,720 --> 02:08:29,600 it's it's a maze to get through there but everybody does it 2786 02:08:29,600 --> 02:08:31,119 because otherwise 2787 02:08:31,119 --> 02:08:33,899 you drive three or four miles out of your way understood so 2788 02:08:33,899 --> 02:08:34,720 I think it's a 2789 02:08:34,720 --> 02:08:39,079 problem needs to be the applicant in his presentation 2790 02:08:39,079 --> 02:08:40,600 stated that the city asked 2791 02:08:40,600 --> 02:08:44,649 him not to put a straight through because it could turn 2792 02:08:44,649 --> 02:08:45,920 into a raceway to 2793 02:08:45,920 --> 02:08:49,600 be honest with you we we asked to have it meander so that 2794 02:08:49,600 --> 02:08:51,119 it couldn't gotcha 2795 02:08:51,119 --> 02:09:05,680 thank you Cindy is this going to be an HOA and who's going 2796 02:09:05,680 --> 02:09:06,479 to maintain these 2797 02:09:06,479 --> 02:09:11,279 green belt areas and also the gas line running down is it 2798 02:09:11,279 --> 02:09:13,000 still live or is it 2799 02:09:13,000 --> 02:09:15,550 not the gas well they can't about the big major gas line 2800 02:09:15,550 --> 02:09:16,800 that runs down along 2801 02:09:16,800 --> 02:09:21,359 the west side over there I lost the applicant answer the 2802 02:09:21,359 --> 02:09:22,000 first question 2803 02:09:22,000 --> 02:09:25,630 there will be an HOA and the HOA will be responsible for 2804 02:09:25,630 --> 02:09:26,880 maintaining all the open 2805 02:09:26,880 --> 02:09:31,859 spaces second question the gas line is that is a gathering 2806 02:09:31,859 --> 02:09:33,319 line that my 2807 02:09:33,319 --> 02:09:37,050 understanding is that line is servicing several wells in 2808 02:09:37,050 --> 02:09:38,399 the area and that line 2809 02:09:38,399 --> 02:09:42,079 is active and it will remain so it runs along the western 2810 02:09:42,079 --> 02:09:43,479 edge of the property 2811 02:09:43,479 --> 02:09:46,970 and then turns back to the east on the on the north end 2812 02:09:46,970 --> 02:09:48,359 just south of the of 2813 02:09:48,359 --> 02:09:53,960 the right of way of Ryan Road thank you 2814 02:09:54,520 --> 02:09:59,640 anyone else like to speak on this item well thank you 2815 02:09:59,640 --> 02:10:01,199 everyone who was able to 2816 02:10:01,199 --> 02:10:04,069 speak I'll go ahead and close the public session and open 2817 02:10:04,069 --> 02:10:04,920 it to the commission 2818 02:10:04,920 --> 02:10:08,079 for discussion or motion 2819 02:10:14,479 --> 02:10:16,949 Commissioner Beck thank you chair and thank every one of 2820 02:10:16,949 --> 02:10:19,600 you for coming out 2821 02:10:19,600 --> 02:10:21,810 and speaking on this tonight we know this is important to 2822 02:10:21,810 --> 02:10:22,319 you and as I 2823 02:10:22,319 --> 02:10:27,260 mentioned to mr. highly I hope I said that right earlier we 2824 02:10:27,260 --> 02:10:28,920 empathize with the 2825 02:10:28,920 --> 02:10:33,770 impact that more homes in the area more cars and like you 2826 02:10:33,770 --> 02:10:35,319 we wish that they 2827 02:10:35,319 --> 02:10:35,319 would put the car before the horse but this is a 2828 02:10:35,319 --> 02:10:41,960 development that that fits this 2829 02:10:41,960 --> 02:10:46,840 area it's the city's growing it needs homes and needs homes 2830 02:10:46,840 --> 02:10:49,199 of this nature so 2831 02:10:49,199 --> 02:10:55,039 it's hard to negate what what's being provided here the 2832 02:10:55,039 --> 02:10:56,600 thing is when you move 2833 02:10:56,600 --> 02:10:59,779 into an area the first ones there it's always rough when 2834 02:10:59,779 --> 02:11:01,239 new people come in and 2835 02:11:01,239 --> 02:11:04,649 it changes and alters the patterns that you're used to so 2836 02:11:04,649 --> 02:11:05,840 but I think in time 2837 02:11:05,840 --> 02:11:08,300 you'll get used to it the roads hopefully will get fixed a 2838 02:11:08,300 --> 02:11:08,760 lot quicker 2839 02:11:08,760 --> 02:11:15,010 than we all would like to see them get fixed so I think in 2840 02:11:15,010 --> 02:11:16,279 the long run this 2841 02:11:16,279 --> 02:11:20,279 will be a positive development for you and with that said I 2842 02:11:20,279 --> 02:11:21,159 'd like to make a 2843 02:11:21,159 --> 02:11:27,279 motion to approve is the 18 oh oh 208 2844 02:11:27,520 --> 02:11:30,760 mr. Cole 2845 02:11:32,439 --> 02:11:36,960 second perfect thank you we have a first and second is 2846 02:11:36,960 --> 02:11:38,840 there any discussion 2847 02:11:38,840 --> 02:11:43,039 pressure Alice thank you chair I just I think this 2848 02:11:43,039 --> 02:11:45,399 development as Commissioner 2849 02:11:45,399 --> 02:11:48,699 Beck said does fit the area it's also brought about great 2850 02:11:48,699 --> 02:11:49,920 discussion and thank 2851 02:11:49,920 --> 02:11:53,010 you all for sharing your your thoughts and concerns and and 2852 02:11:53,010 --> 02:11:53,880 and all along the 2853 02:11:53,880 --> 02:11:59,729 way there's was an atypical development process for all of 2854 02:11:59,729 --> 02:12:01,680 us but it has brought 2855 02:12:01,680 --> 02:12:06,109 forth some discussion within staff it's brought about new 2856 02:12:06,109 --> 02:12:07,840 process for looking at 2857 02:12:07,840 --> 02:12:14,279 roads so all of that is is a definite positive thing thank 2858 02:12:14,279 --> 02:12:15,560 you mr. Ellis 2859 02:12:15,560 --> 02:12:18,149 before I call for but I just want to say and echo 2860 02:12:18,149 --> 02:12:19,960 commissioner Ellis's points 2861 02:12:19,960 --> 02:12:23,890 this is a very unique situation in which the order was kind 2862 02:12:23,890 --> 02:12:25,159 of reversed and so I 2863 02:12:25,159 --> 02:12:28,359 appreciate everyone's patience and trying to understand 2864 02:12:28,359 --> 02:12:29,199 that as well as 2865 02:12:29,199 --> 02:12:33,329 understand the the applicants property and agenda coming 2866 02:12:33,329 --> 02:12:34,239 through I can see 2867 02:12:34,239 --> 02:12:37,550 personally my younger brother lives in the neighborhood to 2868 02:12:37,550 --> 02:12:38,119 the west just off 2869 02:12:38,119 --> 02:12:41,920 Maggie's Meadow I live in Forest Ridge I take Ryan Road all 2870 02:12:41,920 --> 02:12:42,399 the time and I 2871 02:12:42,399 --> 02:12:45,720 understand the the impact that it potentially has and I 2872 02:12:45,720 --> 02:12:46,880 certainly am an 2873 02:12:46,880 --> 02:12:50,060 advocate to get Ryan Road more efficient in terms of 2874 02:12:50,060 --> 02:12:51,960 managing traffic that being 2875 02:12:51,960 --> 02:12:55,229 said the concessions made by the applicant to be annexed to 2876 02:12:55,229 --> 02:12:56,000 come under the 2877 02:12:56,000 --> 02:12:59,930 city to pay substantially more impact fees than would have 2878 02:12:59,930 --> 02:13:01,079 been required as 2879 02:13:01,079 --> 02:13:03,770 well as try to make the project as nice as possible I think 2880 02:13:03,770 --> 02:13:04,760 is a good thing for 2881 02:13:04,760 --> 02:13:09,460 the area and so I'm going ahead and vote for approval with 2882 02:13:09,460 --> 02:13:10,840 this knowing and 2883 02:13:10,840 --> 02:13:13,310 letting you know that I'm going to follow up on the the 2884 02:13:13,310 --> 02:13:14,000 traffic impact in 2885 02:13:14,000 --> 02:13:16,739 the roads going forward to make sure that congestion doesn 2886 02:13:16,739 --> 02:13:17,600 't overtake that 2887 02:13:17,600 --> 02:13:21,430 south part of town see another discussion I will call for a 2888 02:13:21,430 --> 02:13:21,720 vote on the 2889 02:13:21,720 --> 02:13:35,560 board motion carries six zero with one absent 2890 02:13:38,119 --> 02:13:45,630 I'll move us to agenda item 3c which is a ESA 16 - 3 I'll 2891 02:13:45,630 --> 02:13:46,319 call Haley for 2892 02:13:46,319 --> 02:14:13,319 presentation and open the item for public hearing all right 2893 02:14:13,319 --> 02:14:13,880 good evening 2894 02:14:13,880 --> 02:14:19,100 this is item a ESA 16 - 3 for Country Club road estates so 2895 02:14:19,100 --> 02:14:20,279 the request before 2896 02:14:20,279 --> 02:14:23,460 you tonight is to hold this public hearing consider making 2897 02:14:23,460 --> 02:14:24,159 a recommendation 2898 02:14:24,159 --> 02:14:26,630 to the City Council regarding an alternative 2899 02:14:26,630 --> 02:14:27,479 environmentally sensitive 2900 02:14:27,479 --> 02:14:31,010 area plan the property in question is outlined in yellow on 2901 02:14:31,010 --> 02:14:32,359 the map it's just 2902 02:14:32,359 --> 02:14:35,640 over 35 acres total as you can see here it's located on the 2903 02:14:35,640 --> 02:14:36,680 west side of country 2904 02:14:36,680 --> 02:14:39,229 club I'm sorry the east side of Country Club Road south of 2905 02:14:39,229 --> 02:14:40,760 Regency Court the 2906 02:14:40,760 --> 02:14:44,189 particular type of ESA that is up for discussion tonight is 2907 02:14:44,189 --> 02:14:45,039 the undeveloped 2908 02:14:45,039 --> 02:14:48,220 floodplain ESA on this property there is also riparian 2909 02:14:48,220 --> 02:14:49,600 buffer but as you'll see 2910 02:14:49,600 --> 02:14:53,020 as we go through these slides that is not proposed to be 2911 02:14:53,020 --> 02:14:54,399 impacted at this time 2912 02:14:54,399 --> 02:14:58,329 it's also important to note that although we do have newly 2913 02:14:58,329 --> 02:14:59,159 adopted ESA 2914 02:14:59,159 --> 02:15:03,479 standards as of 2017 this particular application has been 2915 02:15:03,479 --> 02:15:04,119 in the work since 2916 02:15:04,119 --> 02:15:09,010 2016 so it predates that and would fall under the previous 2917 02:15:09,010 --> 02:15:10,279 ESA regulations 2918 02:15:10,279 --> 02:15:13,149 looking at the zoning for this property to give you a 2919 02:15:13,149 --> 02:15:14,439 little bit of history 2920 02:15:14,439 --> 02:15:18,640 prior to 2017 the property did have a split zoning of NR 2 2921 02:15:18,640 --> 02:15:20,119 and NR 4 some of 2922 02:15:20,119 --> 02:15:22,720 you may remember when this case came forward there was 2923 02:15:22,720 --> 02:15:23,960 discussion over kind 2924 02:15:23,960 --> 02:15:26,430 of balancing out the zoning to give a uniform density 2925 02:15:26,430 --> 02:15:28,279 across the property so 2926 02:15:28,279 --> 02:15:31,460 they did request a rezoning to NR 3 that was approved and 2927 02:15:31,460 --> 02:15:32,640 although they they 2928 02:15:32,640 --> 02:15:37,859 could have a maximum of 124 lots under this zoning the 2929 02:15:37,859 --> 02:15:38,880 preliminary plot that 2930 02:15:38,880 --> 02:15:42,609 was on your agenda earlier this evening reflected only 73 2931 02:15:42,609 --> 02:15:44,399 lots so looking at 2932 02:15:44,399 --> 02:15:47,640 that preliminary plot you can see kind of two phases of 2933 02:15:47,640 --> 02:15:48,520 development proposed 2934 02:15:48,520 --> 02:15:51,699 here the phase that's on the east side of the floodplain 2935 02:15:51,699 --> 02:15:52,800 would be the first phase 2936 02:15:52,800 --> 02:15:55,979 the second phase is kind of on hold if you will it's 2937 02:15:55,979 --> 02:15:57,239 intended to occur but 2938 02:15:57,239 --> 02:15:59,859 they're waiting to see how wide text dot intends to make 2939 02:15:59,859 --> 02:16:00,800 Country Club Road 2940 02:16:00,800 --> 02:16:04,380 eventually so with phase one we would have the extension of 2941 02:16:04,380 --> 02:16:05,640 Meadowlands Drive 2942 02:16:05,640 --> 02:16:08,300 into this property you can see the roads as we just 2943 02:16:08,300 --> 02:16:10,079 discussed kind of meander to 2944 02:16:10,079 --> 02:16:13,260 limit that direct cut through traffic from the subdivision 2945 02:16:13,260 --> 02:16:15,000 to Country Club so 2946 02:16:15,000 --> 02:16:17,159 the road would meander and at first there would be a 2947 02:16:17,159 --> 02:16:18,279 temporary access point 2948 02:16:18,279 --> 02:16:21,100 here on the north side where there's already an existing 2949 02:16:21,100 --> 02:16:22,119 driveway over time 2950 02:16:22,119 --> 02:16:25,300 as phase two develops that that would move further south to 2951 02:16:25,300 --> 02:16:26,079 have one primary 2952 02:16:26,079 --> 02:16:29,489 entrance off of Country Club Road as you can see here the E 2953 02:16:29,489 --> 02:16:31,840 SA and the stream that 2954 02:16:31,840 --> 02:16:34,309 runs through the property are contained entirely within 2955 02:16:34,309 --> 02:16:35,479 lots 1x and 2x that you 2956 02:16:35,479 --> 02:16:40,040 see here kind of in the central portion and I will call 2957 02:16:40,040 --> 02:16:42,079 Deborah Vieira down to 2958 02:16:42,079 --> 02:16:44,739 kind of walk you through the various types of ESA on the 2959 02:16:44,739 --> 02:16:45,680 property and what 2960 02:16:45,680 --> 02:16:49,399 these specific impacts would be 2961 02:16:57,719 --> 02:17:00,629 good evening Commission my name is Deborah Vieira I'm with 2962 02:17:00,629 --> 02:17:01,239 the Environmental 2963 02:17:01,239 --> 02:17:06,659 Services before you tonight it is a consideration of an 2964 02:17:06,659 --> 02:17:08,200 alternative ESA to 2965 02:17:08,200 --> 02:17:12,559 encroach into the undeveloped floodplain which is color on 2966 02:17:12,559 --> 02:17:17,040 the map as a blue just 2967 02:17:17,040 --> 02:17:19,659 as a point of clarification even though there's a repair 2968 02:17:19,659 --> 02:17:20,559 and buffing going 2969 02:17:20,559 --> 02:17:23,409 through the middle of the floodplain no encroachment is 2970 02:17:23,409 --> 02:17:25,200 proposed therefore that 2971 02:17:25,200 --> 02:17:29,739 area is not included as a part of this alternative ESA plan 2972 02:17:29,739 --> 02:17:31,920 in 2015 staff make 2973 02:17:31,920 --> 02:17:36,459 a field assessment to assess the conditions of the repair 2974 02:17:36,459 --> 02:17:37,680 and buffer and 2975 02:17:37,680 --> 02:17:41,200 the floodplain on site it was found that the northern 2976 02:17:41,200 --> 02:17:42,959 portion of the property 2977 02:17:42,959 --> 02:17:47,180 have been heavily impacted by grading fill and removal of 2978 02:17:47,180 --> 02:17:49,760 vegetation so due to 2979 02:17:49,760 --> 02:17:53,079 that assessment we reclassify the northern portion of it as 2980 02:17:53,079 --> 02:17:53,639 a developed 2981 02:17:53,639 --> 02:17:57,389 and then we also remove the repair and buffer within that 2982 02:17:57,389 --> 02:17:59,280 section the southern 2983 02:17:59,280 --> 02:18:04,040 section stays as an undeveloped with a true repair and 2984 02:18:04,040 --> 02:18:07,399 buffer the table here in 2985 02:18:07,399 --> 02:18:11,719 front of you represents the different square footage of the 2986 02:18:11,719 --> 02:18:12,639 areas and the 2987 02:18:12,639 --> 02:18:17,340 disturbances that will be made to that area I just want to 2988 02:18:17,340 --> 02:18:18,639 highlight that only 2989 02:18:18,639 --> 02:18:22,629 the rows highlighted in yellow pertains to the scope of the 2990 02:18:22,629 --> 02:18:24,000 alternative ESA 2991 02:18:24,000 --> 02:18:27,090 plan the other information is additional information for 2992 02:18:27,090 --> 02:18:28,079 you to understand the 2993 02:18:28,079 --> 02:18:35,629 extent of the overall improvement in front of you is a 2994 02:18:35,629 --> 02:18:38,180 detail that the 2995 02:18:38,180 --> 02:18:41,430 applicant put together to explain where the field is going 2996 02:18:41,430 --> 02:18:42,280 to be placed in 2997 02:18:42,280 --> 02:18:46,360 relationship to the repair and buffer this area is where 2998 02:18:46,360 --> 02:18:47,899 the field is going to 2999 02:18:47,899 --> 02:18:52,719 be just to your attention the field is outside of the 3000 02:18:52,719 --> 02:18:54,920 stream buffer maximum 3001 02:18:54,920 --> 02:19:00,040 width which stops right here and what they're showing here 3002 02:19:00,040 --> 02:19:01,280 that if by any 3003 02:19:01,280 --> 02:19:03,979 chance there are trees would happen to be at the edge of 3004 02:19:03,979 --> 02:19:05,120 the repair and buffer 3005 02:19:05,120 --> 02:19:09,969 that proposed field will be pushed further out so in that 3006 02:19:09,969 --> 02:19:11,319 way the root zone 3007 02:19:11,319 --> 02:19:17,129 of the of those trees are protected here we are showing 3008 02:19:17,129 --> 02:19:19,280 what the floodplain 3009 02:19:19,280 --> 02:19:23,700 currently is based on FEMA maps and how the map is the 3010 02:19:23,700 --> 02:19:25,520 floodplain is going to be 3011 02:19:25,520 --> 02:19:31,120 after the after the reclamation work currently the unde 3012 02:19:31,120 --> 02:19:32,440 veloped floodplain 3013 02:19:32,440 --> 02:19:36,020 which is the southern half of the property is approximately 3014 02:19:36,020 --> 02:19:38,120 300,000 square 3015 02:19:38,120 --> 02:19:43,399 feet after the reclamation is done that footprints going to 3016 02:19:43,399 --> 02:19:44,479 be reduced to 3017 02:19:44,479 --> 02:19:47,659 hundred thirty nine thousand which is a different of 3018 02:19:47,659 --> 02:19:48,840 approximately three point 3019 02:19:48,840 --> 02:19:56,350 nine acres all together the applicant have proposed a 3020 02:19:56,350 --> 02:19:58,000 series of mitigation to 3021 02:19:58,000 --> 02:20:02,600 offset for the encroachment that they will be making on the 3022 02:20:02,600 --> 02:20:03,200 undeveloped 3023 02:20:03,200 --> 02:20:08,309 floodplain one of them is as we discussed is just to locate 3024 02:20:08,309 --> 02:20:09,159 all feel 3025 02:20:09,159 --> 02:20:13,090 outside the repair and buffer and on the outer edges of the 3026 02:20:13,090 --> 02:20:14,479 existing drip lines 3027 02:20:14,479 --> 02:20:19,899 for existing three sorry trees grading will be concentrated 3028 02:20:19,899 --> 02:20:21,159 on the northern 3029 02:20:21,159 --> 02:20:26,590 section of the lot where the floodplain is considered to be 3030 02:20:26,590 --> 02:20:27,680 developed and having 3031 02:20:27,680 --> 02:20:32,899 reduced ecological value and habitat value as well as where 3032 02:20:32,899 --> 02:20:34,040 the repair and 3033 02:20:34,040 --> 02:20:38,200 buffer has already been removed so they are trying to 3034 02:20:38,200 --> 02:20:41,000 impact the less amount on 3035 02:20:41,000 --> 02:20:45,379 the habitat that is further located further south the 3036 02:20:45,379 --> 02:20:47,360 street layout minimizes 3037 02:20:47,360 --> 02:20:50,139 the disturbances as that main corridor would be actually 3038 02:20:50,139 --> 02:20:51,159 placed on the north 3039 02:20:51,159 --> 02:20:55,500 side they are proposing to go in and remove invasive 3040 02:20:55,500 --> 02:20:57,200 species present within 3041 02:20:57,200 --> 02:21:00,469 the floodplain and repair and buffer and re vegetate we 3042 02:21:00,469 --> 02:21:02,319 need a species we're not 3043 02:21:02,319 --> 02:21:04,959 only talking about trees but we're also looking into herv 3044 02:21:04,959 --> 02:21:07,639 aceous material and the 3045 02:21:07,639 --> 02:21:12,290 channel that would be run through that spine will actually 3046 02:21:12,290 --> 02:21:14,879 be kept earthen as 3047 02:21:14,879 --> 02:21:20,799 Haley mentioned the amount of lots that they will be 3048 02:21:20,799 --> 02:21:23,559 building is considerably 3049 02:21:23,559 --> 02:21:26,739 less than what the maximum zoning allows them to do 3050 02:21:26,739 --> 02:21:28,520 therefore reducing the amount 3051 02:21:28,520 --> 02:21:35,010 of potential runoff coming through those a lot and at this 3052 02:21:35,010 --> 02:21:37,000 point if you don't 3053 02:21:37,000 --> 02:21:40,239 have any questions for me on the ESA matter I will 3054 02:21:40,239 --> 02:21:41,639 transition back to Haley 3055 02:21:41,639 --> 02:21:44,940 about the notification process and the percentage of 3056 02:21:44,940 --> 02:21:46,840 opposition I think we're 3057 02:21:46,840 --> 02:21:49,399 good things ever 3058 02:21:54,559 --> 02:21:57,030 all right so to kind of wrap up here I wanted to review 3059 02:21:57,030 --> 02:22:00,520 notifications for this 3060 02:22:00,520 --> 02:22:02,600 did follow our zoning procedure so we did all the same 3061 02:22:02,600 --> 02:22:03,520 notices that we would 3062 02:22:03,520 --> 02:22:07,450 for a rezoning case which included the ad in the newspaper 3063 02:22:07,450 --> 02:22:08,799 sign posting on the 3064 02:22:08,799 --> 02:22:12,260 property as well as mailed notices with the 200 and 500 3065 02:22:12,260 --> 02:22:13,280 foot buffer we did 3066 02:22:13,280 --> 02:22:15,739 receive a few responses in writing to that you received 3067 02:22:15,739 --> 02:22:16,559 some of those right 3068 02:22:16,559 --> 02:22:16,559 before the work session this evening so there has been some 3069 02:22:16,559 --> 02:22:20,799 opposition to the 3070 02:22:20,799 --> 02:22:23,620 case primarily the concerns I've heard expressed related to 3071 02:22:23,620 --> 02:22:24,600 the preservation of 3072 02:22:24,600 --> 02:22:27,360 trees and concerns about drainage and some concerns that 3073 02:22:27,360 --> 02:22:28,299 drainage could be 3074 02:22:28,299 --> 02:22:31,479 backed up into the Regency Court area the applicant did 3075 02:22:31,479 --> 02:22:32,520 hold a neighborhood 3076 02:22:32,520 --> 02:22:36,020 meeting however and discussed a lot of this extensively and 3077 02:22:36,020 --> 02:22:37,000 so they could speak 3078 02:22:37,000 --> 02:22:39,180 a little bit more to how that meeting went but those were 3079 02:22:39,180 --> 02:22:40,040 some of the primary 3080 02:22:40,040 --> 02:22:43,309 concerns that I heard at that meeting so staff is 3081 02:22:43,309 --> 02:22:45,280 recommending approval of the 3082 02:22:45,280 --> 02:22:48,469 request with a few conditions the first condition being 3083 02:22:48,469 --> 02:22:49,520 that disturbance of the 3084 02:22:49,520 --> 02:22:54,629 ESA not exceed fill in excess of 190 thousand 450 square 3085 02:22:54,629 --> 02:22:55,360 feet within the 3086 02:22:55,360 --> 02:22:59,540 undeveloped floodplain second that invasive species within 3087 02:22:59,540 --> 02:23:00,559 the ES areas be 3088 02:23:00,559 --> 02:23:03,739 removed as the applicant is proposed third being that 3089 02:23:03,739 --> 02:23:05,040 plants installed as part 3090 02:23:05,040 --> 02:23:08,969 of the proposed native flora revegetation be installed and 3091 02:23:08,969 --> 02:23:09,479 maintained by 3092 02:23:09,479 --> 02:23:11,950 the current property owner and developer for a period of 3093 02:23:11,950 --> 02:23:12,879 three years following 3094 02:23:12,879 --> 02:23:16,159 their installation any time any plants that are removed 3095 02:23:16,159 --> 02:23:17,200 destroyed or die within 3096 02:23:17,200 --> 02:23:19,639 that three-year period should be required to be replaced by 3097 02:23:19,639 --> 02:23:20,120 that current 3098 02:23:20,120 --> 02:23:22,850 property owner and developer and then finally that 3099 02:23:22,850 --> 02:23:24,319 following what the applicant 3100 02:23:24,319 --> 02:23:26,790 has proposed no encroachment shall occur in the areas 3101 02:23:26,790 --> 02:23:27,879 designated as riparian 3102 02:23:27,879 --> 02:23:31,149 buffer ESA and with that I'd be happy to address any other 3103 02:23:31,149 --> 02:23:31,760 questions you might 3104 02:23:31,760 --> 02:23:33,959 have 3105 02:23:34,520 --> 02:23:39,120 Christopher thank you chair Haley earlier I asked you if 3106 02:23:39,120 --> 02:23:40,399 you would there was a 48 3107 02:23:40,399 --> 02:23:44,739 inch storm drain would you show where that is it's gonna 3108 02:23:44,739 --> 02:23:46,360 come out certainly so 3109 02:23:46,360 --> 02:23:48,989 as part of this development to the east there was a storm 3110 02:23:48,989 --> 02:23:49,920 drain stub to this 3111 02:23:49,920 --> 02:23:54,079 point so that 48 inch pipe would be extended across the 3112 02:23:54,079 --> 02:23:55,200 property under Meadow 3113 02:23:55,200 --> 02:23:57,979 lands drive out falling here you can see there is a eas 3114 02:23:57,979 --> 02:23:59,680 ement here for that to 3115 02:23:59,680 --> 02:24:02,280 outfall into the floodplain and into the creek where it is 3116 02:24:02,280 --> 02:24:03,239 intended and required 3117 02:24:03,239 --> 02:24:07,200 by code to outfall okay so it'll remain a 48 inch concrete 3118 02:24:07,200 --> 02:24:08,200 correct they'll be 3119 02:24:08,200 --> 02:24:12,030 extending that existing 48 inch line okay I have a question 3120 02:24:12,030 --> 02:24:12,799 for the app you 3121 02:24:12,799 --> 02:24:15,270 know when comes out about the outlet I won't ask you about 3122 02:24:15,270 --> 02:24:16,600 that though so thank you yes 3123 02:24:16,600 --> 02:24:19,069 yes and the applicant is here and able to address any other 3124 02:24:19,069 --> 02:24:19,799 concerns you may 3125 02:24:19,799 --> 02:24:24,760 have I think that's it speaking of the applicant we do have 3126 02:24:24,760 --> 02:24:25,520 a card for the 3127 02:24:25,520 --> 02:24:31,200 applicant Lee Allison mr. Austin you have ten minutes or if 3128 02:24:31,200 --> 02:24:32,799 you in Lance wanted 3129 02:24:32,799 --> 02:24:35,579 to speak you would have a combined 20 minutes one 3130 02:24:35,579 --> 02:24:37,399 clarification is I 3131 02:24:37,399 --> 02:24:40,020 understood it if we have two people to speak we have a full 3132 02:24:40,020 --> 02:24:41,120 20 minutes and we 3133 02:24:41,120 --> 02:24:44,299 can divide it between ourselves any way we like that's fine 3134 02:24:44,299 --> 02:24:45,319 mistaken that is 3135 02:24:45,319 --> 02:24:49,209 that that is correct Haley's got me up but I got to figure 3136 02:24:49,209 --> 02:24:51,319 out how to maximize 3137 02:24:51,319 --> 02:25:00,879 this group that wasn't it pardon just like this one that's 3138 02:25:00,879 --> 02:25:01,639 a funny looking 3139 02:25:01,639 --> 02:25:05,739 icon good evening my name is Lee Allison with Allison 3140 02:25:05,739 --> 02:25:07,399 engineering group once me 3141 02:25:07,399 --> 02:25:11,329 this evening is Lance Holdorf our project manager Kent Key 3142 02:25:11,329 --> 02:25:12,280 is the primary 3143 02:25:12,280 --> 02:25:15,500 representative he extends his apologies but he had another 3144 02:25:15,500 --> 02:25:16,319 engagement and 3145 02:25:16,319 --> 02:25:21,750 thought we could handle this this evening the site 3146 02:25:21,750 --> 02:25:23,120 generally the staff 3147 02:25:23,120 --> 02:25:27,559 gave a good site location map what I'd like to point out on 3148 02:25:27,559 --> 02:25:29,000 this while I'm here 3149 02:25:29,000 --> 02:25:33,010 is that we are trying to transition from a very nice 3150 02:25:33,010 --> 02:25:35,079 development here of good 3151 02:25:35,079 --> 02:25:39,600 size lots of a state type development here very large lots 3152 02:25:39,600 --> 02:25:42,040 into an nr3 zoning 3153 02:25:42,040 --> 02:25:44,799 over here which has your typical lots that you see in the 3154 02:25:44,799 --> 02:25:45,760 city so part of our 3155 02:25:45,760 --> 02:25:49,180 idea was to work with that that stream as you can see comes 3156 02:25:49,180 --> 02:25:50,280 through here where 3157 02:25:50,280 --> 02:25:53,860 this tree line is and the stream buffer is there's a gravel 3158 02:25:53,860 --> 02:25:54,959 road that goes to 3159 02:25:54,959 --> 02:25:57,559 the back now already crossing the stream with culverts and 3160 02:25:57,559 --> 02:25:58,559 goes to an existing 3161 02:25:58,559 --> 02:26:03,319 home as mentioned before we rezoned this a couple of years 3162 02:26:03,319 --> 02:26:04,879 ago at that time we 3163 02:26:04,879 --> 02:26:08,299 were looking at going to an alternative the essay this 3164 02:26:08,299 --> 02:26:09,840 particular zoning is 3165 02:26:09,840 --> 02:26:13,450 backwards because you've got the high density zoning close 3166 02:26:13,450 --> 02:26:14,520 to the larger lots 3167 02:26:14,520 --> 02:26:18,559 and the low density zoning against where the nr3 was so we 3168 02:26:18,559 --> 02:26:19,600 wanted to you know 3169 02:26:19,600 --> 02:26:22,940 make this more uniform and we did that with the rezoning 3170 02:26:22,940 --> 02:26:24,120 process trying to 3171 02:26:24,120 --> 02:26:27,909 work the essay we had the essay going at the same time but 3172 02:26:27,909 --> 02:26:29,319 we got caught into the 3173 02:26:29,319 --> 02:26:34,200 chicken or egg to have an ESA you also have to have a plat 3174 02:26:34,200 --> 02:26:35,799 already approved but 3175 02:26:35,799 --> 02:26:37,530 how do you know how you're going to plant a property if you 3176 02:26:37,530 --> 02:26:38,040 don't know if 3177 02:26:38,040 --> 02:26:40,360 you're going to get the ESA or not and then to get the plat 3178 02:26:40,360 --> 02:26:41,020 we had to have a 3179 02:26:41,020 --> 02:26:45,090 clomer so we've spent a lot longer on this than we should 3180 02:26:45,090 --> 02:26:46,680 have to help 3181 02:26:46,680 --> 02:26:50,510 identify the ESA's we've prepared this exhibit the dark 3182 02:26:50,510 --> 02:26:51,719 green lines on the 3183 02:26:51,719 --> 02:26:55,670 outer side that's where the mapped floodplain is today this 3184 02:26:55,670 --> 02:26:56,479 is a zone a 3185 02:26:56,479 --> 02:27:01,129 floodplain it has not been studied therefore those are a 3186 02:27:01,129 --> 02:27:02,680 bit subjective as 3187 02:27:02,680 --> 02:27:05,860 to where those lines really are the blue air lines are 3188 02:27:05,860 --> 02:27:07,239 where we're shrinking it 3189 02:27:07,239 --> 02:27:11,200 to through the studies and the activities and the pink is 3190 02:27:11,200 --> 02:27:12,159 showing where 3191 02:27:12,159 --> 02:27:16,090 the stream buffer ESA is this is one ESA we have promised 3192 02:27:16,090 --> 02:27:17,319 and all of our plans 3193 02:27:17,319 --> 02:27:21,329 show we are absolutely not getting into except for this one 3194 02:27:21,329 --> 02:27:22,639 little area right 3195 02:27:22,639 --> 02:27:26,920 here this line on here is from the preliminary plat it's 3196 02:27:26,920 --> 02:27:28,159 not a line we put 3197 02:27:28,159 --> 02:27:32,280 on there this was established when this drainage was 3198 02:27:32,280 --> 02:27:34,239 created in this storm sewer 3199 02:27:34,239 --> 02:27:37,739 was established to bring this drainage all the way to the 3200 02:27:37,739 --> 02:27:39,079 center of the stream 3201 02:27:39,079 --> 02:27:41,879 and beyond so there's already an easement for that purpose 3202 02:27:41,879 --> 02:27:42,920 there we are 3203 02:27:42,920 --> 02:27:46,350 stopping our physical pipe here and transitioning from here 3204 02:27:46,350 --> 02:27:47,840 into the channel 3205 02:27:47,840 --> 02:27:51,979 so that when this does hit full force we're able to avoid 3206 02:27:51,979 --> 02:27:53,479 the erosion issues 3207 02:27:53,479 --> 02:27:56,659 with tearing that channel out but this shows the 50 foot 3208 02:27:56,659 --> 02:27:58,520 stream buffer it takes 3209 02:27:58,520 --> 02:28:02,920 up 52,000 square feet then we have the undeveloped flood 3210 02:28:02,920 --> 02:28:04,280 plain which is all the 3211 02:28:04,280 --> 02:28:10,090 green area 298,800 but that's inclusive of the stream 3212 02:28:10,090 --> 02:28:11,440 buffer and yes we are 3213 02:28:11,440 --> 02:28:15,959 encroaching upon this then we have the developed floodplain 3214 02:28:15,959 --> 02:28:17,399 which is the blue 3215 02:28:17,399 --> 02:28:21,000 area another 85,000 square feet and to answer one of your 3216 02:28:21,000 --> 02:28:22,440 questions previously 3217 02:28:22,440 --> 02:28:27,129 mr. Beck we're allowed to cross streams with roads and 3218 02:28:27,129 --> 02:28:28,799 utilities at a reasonable 3219 02:28:28,799 --> 02:28:32,280 number of locations doesn't matter if it's developed or 3220 02:28:32,280 --> 02:28:32,840 undeveloped course 3221 02:28:32,840 --> 02:28:35,770 FEMA doesn't recognize develop or undeveloped floodplain it 3222 02:28:35,770 --> 02:28:36,319 's just flood 3223 02:28:36,319 --> 02:28:39,500 plain and that's just part of the development development 3224 02:28:39,500 --> 02:28:40,319 allowances that 3225 02:28:40,319 --> 02:28:43,620 that we're capable of doing there was already a crossing 3226 02:28:43,620 --> 02:28:44,319 here and we 3227 02:28:44,319 --> 02:28:46,799 purposely brought the route up here to be within the 3228 02:28:46,799 --> 02:28:48,200 developed floodplain for 3229 02:28:48,200 --> 02:28:51,379 our crossing that was one of our considerations plus there 3230 02:28:51,379 --> 02:28:52,040 's already a 3231 02:28:52,040 --> 02:28:57,469 gravel road there this is all the combined existing ESA's 3232 02:28:57,469 --> 02:28:58,559 on top of the 3233 02:28:58,559 --> 02:29:05,510 map then we have the proposed ESA's with these gray areas 3234 02:29:05,510 --> 02:29:06,600 the dark gray the 3235 02:29:06,600 --> 02:29:09,920 floodplain develop undeveloped floodplain area we're 3236 02:29:09,920 --> 02:29:11,799 recovering and the lighter 3237 02:29:11,799 --> 02:29:16,329 gray above it the developed floodplain interestingly enough 3238 02:29:16,329 --> 02:29:17,639 and again mr. Beck 3239 02:29:17,639 --> 02:29:23,229 a discussion we've had in the past per the city code and 3240 02:29:23,229 --> 02:29:24,840 not FEMA but per the 3241 02:29:24,840 --> 02:29:28,770 Denton Development Code if you were to imagine this whole 3242 02:29:28,770 --> 02:29:31,079 floodplain was a lake 3243 02:29:31,079 --> 02:29:35,600 only 15% of the storage of that lake is in the area we're 3244 02:29:35,600 --> 02:29:37,799 recovering 85% of the 3245 02:29:37,799 --> 02:29:40,750 storage is in the area that's there in the blue and the 3246 02:29:40,750 --> 02:29:42,079 green and the pink and 3247 02:29:42,079 --> 02:29:46,799 really that's only used up during the hundred-year storm 3248 02:29:46,799 --> 02:29:48,280 our water quality 3249 02:29:48,280 --> 02:29:51,649 storms are not much wider than the red line that goes down 3250 02:29:51,649 --> 02:29:52,799 the middle of this 3251 02:29:52,799 --> 02:29:55,979 area so for water quality purposes we're not having an 3252 02:29:55,979 --> 02:29:58,159 impact for flood control 3253 02:29:58,159 --> 02:30:01,840 purposes we're really not having an impact because by recon 3254 02:30:01,840 --> 02:30:03,180 figuring the 3255 02:30:03,180 --> 02:30:07,120 stream we're able to make it more efficient more effective 3256 02:30:07,120 --> 02:30:08,000 and put that 3257 02:30:08,000 --> 02:30:12,280 land into productive use linger on this for just a second 3258 02:30:12,280 --> 02:30:13,559 we've tried to provide 3259 02:30:13,559 --> 02:30:17,110 some dimensions just to give perspective for example this 3260 02:30:17,110 --> 02:30:18,239 portion of the stream 3261 02:30:18,239 --> 02:30:26,239 existing map is 474 feet wide at this location it's 411 and 3262 02:30:26,239 --> 02:30:29,879 260 it varies we 3263 02:30:29,879 --> 02:30:37,389 are coming down to 183 here 176 at this location and looks 3264 02:30:37,389 --> 02:30:39,899 like I can't read 3265 02:30:39,899 --> 02:30:44,520 117 at that location another thing well I'll go on to these 3266 02:30:44,520 --> 02:30:45,760 other signs we did 3267 02:30:45,760 --> 02:30:48,940 have a neighborhood meeting we use the same notification 3268 02:30:48,940 --> 02:30:49,959 limits that the city 3269 02:30:49,959 --> 02:30:53,489 does the 500 foot distance the first thing we're asked is 3270 02:30:53,489 --> 02:30:54,040 you put in 3271 02:30:54,040 --> 02:30:58,399 apartments or condominiums no it's single-family only I see 3272 02:30:58,399 --> 02:30:58,600 there's 3273 02:30:58,600 --> 02:31:01,780 probably another number of neighbors out here this evening 3274 02:31:01,780 --> 02:31:02,360 they may have some 3275 02:31:02,360 --> 02:31:04,969 concerns that were not mentioned at the meeting one 3276 02:31:04,969 --> 02:31:07,360 discussion was traffic this 3277 02:31:07,360 --> 02:31:11,110 was at the corner lot of metal lines in Belmont let me go 3278 02:31:11,110 --> 02:31:11,879 back to this 3279 02:31:11,879 --> 02:31:19,000 slide this lot in particular where am I this lot in 3280 02:31:19,000 --> 02:31:21,159 particular because metals 3281 02:31:21,159 --> 02:31:25,090 comes through in dead ends understand they didn't want more 3282 02:31:25,090 --> 02:31:25,799 traffic coming 3283 02:31:25,799 --> 02:31:28,979 through there but at the same time we are going with a much 3284 02:31:28,979 --> 02:31:29,959 lower density so 3285 02:31:29,959 --> 02:31:33,600 the traffic through here going from this direction out 3286 02:31:33,600 --> 02:31:35,159 would be less yes there's 3287 02:31:35,159 --> 02:31:37,840 people in this neighborhood that would come through but in 3288 02:31:37,840 --> 02:31:38,840 accordance with the 3289 02:31:38,840 --> 02:31:41,399 mobility plan and the fact this road is stubbed out in the 3290 02:31:41,399 --> 02:31:42,200 drainage it was 3291 02:31:42,200 --> 02:31:45,399 stubbed out to provide that connectivity so while I 3292 02:31:45,399 --> 02:31:47,040 appreciate their dilemma 3293 02:31:47,040 --> 02:31:52,469 that's just unfortunate misunderstood part of the 3294 02:31:52,469 --> 02:31:54,120 development of the city but 3295 02:31:54,120 --> 02:31:56,870 it's lower density and planned Street extension concerns 3296 02:31:56,870 --> 02:31:58,760 about drainage the 3297 02:31:58,760 --> 02:32:01,940 primary concern was are we backing water up into the Royal 3298 02:32:01,940 --> 02:32:03,799 Oaks addition and the 3299 02:32:03,799 --> 02:32:06,979 answer is both the Denton Development Code and FEMA 3300 02:32:06,979 --> 02:32:08,239 guidelines do not allow us 3301 02:32:08,239 --> 02:32:11,420 to do that we've done extensive studies and modeling to 3302 02:32:11,420 --> 02:32:12,319 show we're not doing 3303 02:32:12,319 --> 02:32:15,139 that and not only that we're actually opening up the area 3304 02:32:15,139 --> 02:32:15,840 immediately 3305 02:32:15,840 --> 02:32:19,100 downstream and removing some of the inundations in the 3306 02:32:19,100 --> 02:32:20,239 stream that would 3307 02:32:20,239 --> 02:32:24,170 cause it to back up so we're avoiding that we're opening it 3308 02:32:24,170 --> 02:32:24,879 up tree 3309 02:32:24,879 --> 02:32:27,450 preservation particularly along the north and east 3310 02:32:27,450 --> 02:32:29,440 perimeter we're exceeding 3311 02:32:29,440 --> 02:32:33,680 the city requirements for tree preservation I'll show you 3312 02:32:33,680 --> 02:32:34,280 our tree 3313 02:32:34,280 --> 02:32:37,799 mitigation plan later there's very few trees identified 3314 02:32:37,799 --> 02:32:39,120 against there we think 3315 02:32:39,120 --> 02:32:41,319 they're really on if you look at a map an aerial you can 3316 02:32:41,319 --> 02:32:42,200 see them but we think 3317 02:32:42,200 --> 02:32:44,370 they're on the neighbors properties not ours the surveyor 3318 02:32:44,370 --> 02:32:46,200 didn't pick them up and 3319 02:32:46,200 --> 02:32:48,909 at the same time we're matching great at those locations so 3320 02:32:48,909 --> 02:32:49,760 we don't have any 3321 02:32:49,760 --> 02:32:52,940 reason to go in there and tear them out the developer is 3322 02:32:52,940 --> 02:32:54,079 actually importing 3323 02:32:54,079 --> 02:32:58,010 eighty thousand cubic yards of dirt in here to help 3324 02:32:58,010 --> 02:32:59,799 minimize the impact on 3325 02:32:59,799 --> 02:33:03,309 trees in fact I got embarrassed in front of my staff 3326 02:33:03,309 --> 02:33:04,520 because they had a grading 3327 02:33:04,520 --> 02:33:06,989 plan with all this grading in it I said there's no way he 3328 02:33:06,989 --> 02:33:08,440 'll ever pay that they 3329 02:33:08,440 --> 02:33:11,370 show it to Kent and he says no I got 80,000 yards coming in 3330 02:33:11,370 --> 02:33:11,959 let's see what we 3331 02:33:11,959 --> 02:33:15,440 can do to save those trees so he's not going to go in there 3332 02:33:15,440 --> 02:33:16,760 and arbitrarily 3333 02:33:16,760 --> 02:33:19,219 take trees out after he's spending this kind of money to do 3334 02:33:19,219 --> 02:33:20,000 what he can to help 3335 02:33:20,000 --> 02:33:24,989 save trees generally a lower lot density the original 3336 02:33:24,989 --> 02:33:25,879 zoning we could have a 3337 02:33:25,879 --> 02:33:30,159 hundred and eleven lots the zoning that we got in place 3338 02:33:30,159 --> 02:33:31,000 allows a hundred and 3339 02:33:31,000 --> 02:33:34,639 twenty four lots but because we were looking at this ESA 3340 02:33:34,639 --> 02:33:35,239 from the very 3341 02:33:35,239 --> 02:33:40,680 beginning we suggested with P&Z and council a maximum of 78 3342 02:33:40,680 --> 02:33:41,680 I don't know if 3343 02:33:41,680 --> 02:33:44,569 staff has record of it but that was what was agreed to and 3344 02:33:44,569 --> 02:33:45,760 we understand as part 3345 02:33:45,760 --> 02:33:50,120 of the ordinance we're coming in at 73 if I were to convert 3346 02:33:50,120 --> 02:33:51,159 that to a zoning 3347 02:33:51,159 --> 02:33:56,139 category to be something like an NR 2.1 we could take two 3348 02:33:56,139 --> 02:33:57,479 lots off and develop 3349 02:33:57,479 --> 02:34:01,649 this under an NR 2 zoning and be fine we're larger lots 3350 02:34:01,649 --> 02:34:03,159 ranging in size from 3351 02:34:03,159 --> 02:34:08,590 10,000 to 24,000 an average of about 15,000 square feet 3352 02:34:08,590 --> 02:34:09,920 continuation of the 3353 02:34:09,920 --> 02:34:12,389 surrounding neighborhoods to the north and east 3354 02:34:12,389 --> 02:34:13,840 transitioning to the west as 3355 02:34:13,840 --> 02:34:17,770 I mentioned earlier we're removing invasive species and 3356 02:34:17,770 --> 02:34:18,520 honestly that was 3357 02:34:18,520 --> 02:34:21,799 not our idea Deborah brought that to our attention and said 3358 02:34:21,799 --> 02:34:22,520 can you get in there 3359 02:34:22,520 --> 02:34:25,489 and pull them out and we say whatever you say so we're 3360 02:34:25,489 --> 02:34:26,280 getting in there to 3361 02:34:26,280 --> 02:34:31,040 accomplish that we're going to revegetate with native flora 3362 02:34:31,040 --> 02:34:32,680 and that's 3363 02:34:32,680 --> 02:34:36,879 in the undeveloped flood plain we're doing an earth and 3364 02:34:36,879 --> 02:34:37,959 channel in the 3365 02:34:37,959 --> 02:34:40,569 under in the developed flood plain which the drainage 3366 02:34:40,569 --> 02:34:41,920 department would rather we 3367 02:34:41,920 --> 02:34:45,200 do concrete because it's easier for them to maintain so but 3368 02:34:45,200 --> 02:34:46,799 we have chosen to do 3369 02:34:46,799 --> 02:34:49,680 the earth and channel for those reasons and in there we're 3370 02:34:49,680 --> 02:34:50,680 gonna go back with a 3371 02:34:50,680 --> 02:34:53,969 native floor instead of Bermuda grass or something of that 3372 02:34:53,969 --> 02:34:55,760 nature the proposed 3373 02:34:55,760 --> 02:34:58,840 development be high quality development 3374 02:34:58,840 --> 02:35:01,500 it wasn't 20 minutes you can continue I'm gonna make it 3375 02:35:01,500 --> 02:35:03,239 quick I can improve the 3376 02:35:03,239 --> 02:35:06,959 drainage area no adverse in strength impacts upstream or 3377 02:35:06,959 --> 02:35:07,760 downstream not 3378 02:35:07,760 --> 02:35:11,190 allowed by code or modeling this shows our two phases and 3379 02:35:11,190 --> 02:35:12,360 how the roads will 3380 02:35:12,360 --> 02:35:16,290 come together that help shows how the first phase is going 3381 02:35:16,290 --> 02:35:17,399 to be done we will 3382 02:35:17,399 --> 02:35:20,579 have a sewer line in this easement which we hope lines up 3383 02:35:20,579 --> 02:35:21,520 with what we're gonna 3384 02:35:21,520 --> 02:35:24,840 do in the future when we call this a temporary road it's 3385 02:35:24,840 --> 02:35:25,639 gonna be an asphalt 3386 02:35:25,639 --> 02:35:28,920 road we're gonna need to be able to get emergency vehicles 3387 02:35:28,920 --> 02:35:30,280 construction vehicles 3388 02:35:30,280 --> 02:35:32,930 for the subdivision and construction vehicles for the home 3389 02:35:32,930 --> 02:35:33,719 this way instead 3390 02:35:33,719 --> 02:35:36,559 of going all through this neighborhood all the time so we 3391 02:35:36,559 --> 02:35:37,280 are doing that in 3392 02:35:37,280 --> 02:35:41,600 fact we've got plans for a text on permit back to this one 3393 02:35:41,600 --> 02:35:42,440 this line right 3394 02:35:42,440 --> 02:35:47,549 here that is where we anticipate the text on is gonna ask 3395 02:35:47,549 --> 02:35:48,799 for right away in 3396 02:35:48,799 --> 02:35:52,379 that case we're gonna lose six lots through here and shift 3397 02:35:52,379 --> 02:35:53,440 all this over that 3398 02:35:53,440 --> 02:35:56,620 direction that's why we're waiting on this area for phase 3399 02:35:56,620 --> 02:35:57,319 two to get all that 3400 02:35:57,319 --> 02:36:02,260 worked out with the text on there's the tree mitigation 3401 02:36:02,260 --> 02:36:03,719 plan the ones in green 3402 02:36:03,719 --> 02:36:07,909 we're keeping the ones in red will go again I think there's 3403 02:36:07,909 --> 02:36:09,120 trees up here that 3404 02:36:09,120 --> 02:36:11,950 have been questioned about because there may be under six 3405 02:36:11,950 --> 02:36:12,799 inches they weren't 3406 02:36:12,799 --> 02:36:15,979 picked up on our survey or on the neighbors property line 3407 02:36:15,979 --> 02:36:16,920 but again with 3408 02:36:16,920 --> 02:36:22,180 us matching grade along here and here whoops here and here 3409 02:36:22,180 --> 02:36:22,920 there's no real 3410 02:36:22,920 --> 02:36:26,850 reason to expect that we would take any trees out and I 3411 02:36:26,850 --> 02:36:28,120 hope you can see what 3412 02:36:28,120 --> 02:36:30,680 the developers intentions he's not gonna go in there and 3413 02:36:30,680 --> 02:36:31,959 arbitrarily take a tree 3414 02:36:31,959 --> 02:36:38,219 out I cannot say answer your questions mr. Beck that were 3415 02:36:38,219 --> 02:36:39,639 brought up during 3416 02:36:39,639 --> 02:36:47,760 workshop I don't do invasive species removal on a daily 3417 02:36:47,760 --> 02:36:49,760 basis but we have we 3418 02:36:49,760 --> 02:36:53,049 are working with tree shepherds of Denton we want an expert 3419 02:36:53,049 --> 02:36:53,840 in there and 3420 02:36:53,840 --> 02:36:57,770 somebody who's local and local accountable accountability 3421 02:36:57,770 --> 02:36:58,399 to help us 3422 02:36:58,399 --> 02:37:01,579 find the right methods we're gonna have to balance the 3423 02:37:01,579 --> 02:37:06,920 concerns between whatever 3424 02:37:06,920 --> 02:37:10,100 materials are used to remove the privet with leaving the 3425 02:37:10,100 --> 02:37:11,399 privet itself there I 3426 02:37:11,399 --> 02:37:14,579 mean the city wants the privet out because it's its own 3427 02:37:14,579 --> 02:37:16,520 issue privets do 3428 02:37:16,520 --> 02:37:20,100 affect the flood carrying capability you block the channel 3429 02:37:20,100 --> 02:37:21,360 with them so we think 3430 02:37:21,360 --> 02:37:24,540 removing the privets will be a great thing to do but at the 3431 02:37:24,540 --> 02:37:25,399 same time there 3432 02:37:25,399 --> 02:37:29,329 are considerations we need to work on as we move forward as 3433 02:37:29,329 --> 02:37:32,120 far as the endangered 3434 02:37:32,120 --> 02:37:36,340 species we checked the report actually there was four not 3435 02:37:36,340 --> 02:37:37,959 three might have been 3436 02:37:37,959 --> 02:37:41,139 a number transfer because the study was done on four three 3437 02:37:41,139 --> 02:37:42,120 two thousand and 3438 02:37:42,120 --> 02:37:47,549 seventeen the four species are the least turn which is a 3439 02:37:47,549 --> 02:37:50,040 bird not real common in 3440 02:37:50,040 --> 02:37:52,739 this area but still it's been seen here occasionally and 3441 02:37:52,739 --> 02:37:53,799 needed to be checked 3442 02:37:53,799 --> 02:37:57,790 out the piping plover which is primarily a coastal or a 3443 02:37:57,790 --> 02:37:59,479 beach bird when seen in 3444 02:37:59,479 --> 02:38:02,420 these areas it's usually among lakes but because it's here 3445 02:38:02,420 --> 02:38:03,360 they specifically 3446 02:38:03,360 --> 02:38:06,680 looked at it the red knot which is another bird medium- 3447 02:38:06,680 --> 02:38:07,639 sized another shore 3448 02:38:07,639 --> 02:38:10,819 bird but again it's been here occasionally I mean we've 3449 02:38:10,819 --> 02:38:11,200 seen bald 3450 02:38:11,200 --> 02:38:14,059 Eagles up at Lake Ray Roberts so you got to watch for what 3451 02:38:14,059 --> 02:38:15,000 's out here in the 3452 02:38:15,000 --> 02:38:18,799 whooping crane the study looked at each one of those 3453 02:38:18,799 --> 02:38:21,520 specifically to look for 3454 02:38:21,520 --> 02:38:25,450 evidence of their being there they found none and those 3455 02:38:25,450 --> 02:38:26,920 reports were signed off 3456 02:38:26,920 --> 02:38:31,149 on by the appropriate authorities at the federal level so 3457 02:38:31,149 --> 02:38:32,719 hard to take so long I 3458 02:38:32,719 --> 02:38:35,520 realize this is a public hearing somebody now may not be 3459 02:38:35,520 --> 02:38:36,200 the time for 3460 02:38:36,200 --> 02:38:38,819 questions but I'll take them now or later it's your 3461 02:38:38,819 --> 02:38:40,159 pleasure we got at least 3462 02:38:40,159 --> 02:38:43,520 one commissioner back thank you chair thank you Lee I do 3463 02:38:43,520 --> 02:38:44,239 appreciate your 3464 02:38:44,239 --> 02:38:47,889 presentation and I respect the fact that that this has been 3465 02:38:47,889 --> 02:38:49,600 a hassle for you yet 3466 02:38:49,600 --> 02:38:52,780 nonetheless I think we're coming up with a product that you 3467 02:38:52,780 --> 02:38:53,280 know please 3468 02:38:53,280 --> 02:38:55,840 everybody I think you and I you know we tend to be on 3469 02:38:55,840 --> 02:38:57,319 opposite sides but for the 3470 02:38:57,319 --> 02:39:00,639 most part we both have the general public's concern in mind 3471 02:39:00,639 --> 02:39:01,159 and I 3472 02:39:01,159 --> 02:39:03,909 appreciate what you're doing here thank you for let me know 3473 02:39:03,909 --> 02:39:04,959 what the species are 3474 02:39:04,959 --> 02:39:08,239 they're all birds so they can easily elope to some other 3475 02:39:08,239 --> 02:39:09,079 area where we're not 3476 02:39:09,079 --> 02:39:11,559 dealing with ground creatures so I appreciate that I had a 3477 02:39:11,559 --> 02:39:12,920 pretty good email 3478 02:39:12,920 --> 02:39:17,680 conversation with your engineer you calling Lance okay 3479 02:39:17,680 --> 02:39:18,760 Lawrence is okay 3480 02:39:18,760 --> 02:39:24,399 so it's okay to call him Lance he indicated said one way we 3481 02:39:24,399 --> 02:39:25,239 're trying to 3482 02:39:25,239 --> 02:39:28,840 preserve the ecosystem is by relocating a part of the 3483 02:39:28,840 --> 02:39:30,159 landscape to the yards now 3484 02:39:30,159 --> 02:39:33,760 am I to take that that you're gonna take soil in the area 3485 02:39:33,760 --> 02:39:35,520 and relocate it to for 3486 02:39:35,520 --> 02:39:39,680 that filler you need up against the you mentioned 80,000 3487 02:39:39,680 --> 02:39:41,520 square feet of importing 3488 02:39:41,520 --> 02:39:44,879 80,000 square feet of film I thought no I can elaborate 3489 02:39:44,879 --> 02:39:47,079 though okay is because 3490 02:39:47,079 --> 02:39:50,670 we're going to larger lots we're not going to have near as 3491 02:39:50,670 --> 02:39:51,840 much coverage on 3492 02:39:51,840 --> 02:39:54,569 those lots as you would if we had the real small ones and 3493 02:39:54,569 --> 02:39:55,639 packed everything 3494 02:39:55,639 --> 02:40:02,129 in as a result the grass area that's on the edges of the 3495 02:40:02,129 --> 02:40:03,879 floodplain that collects 3496 02:40:03,879 --> 02:40:09,469 water coming from the sides does give it some amount of 3497 02:40:09,469 --> 02:40:11,600 water quality treatment 3498 02:40:11,600 --> 02:40:15,850 at the same time when we've got larger lots now that the 3499 02:40:15,850 --> 02:40:17,360 rain falls off the 3500 02:40:17,360 --> 02:40:20,000 roofs and goes into the yards etc it's gonna have more 3501 02:40:20,000 --> 02:40:21,479 grass area there to 3502 02:40:21,479 --> 02:40:24,350 accommodate the water quality so we'll be getting some 3503 02:40:24,350 --> 02:40:25,479 water quality in the 3504 02:40:25,479 --> 02:40:29,270 yards of these much larger lots that we would not happen if 3505 02:40:29,270 --> 02:40:30,079 we went to your 3506 02:40:30,079 --> 02:40:35,219 typical pack density subdivision okay okay you've got that 3507 02:40:35,219 --> 02:40:36,040 big old pile of 3508 02:40:36,040 --> 02:40:40,360 dirt over there that's probably about 20 feet wide about 12 3509 02:40:40,360 --> 02:40:41,760 15 feet high and 3510 02:40:41,760 --> 02:40:45,520 about 30 yes sir so is that gonna be part of is that gonna 3511 02:40:45,520 --> 02:40:46,319 be spread out over 3512 02:40:46,319 --> 02:40:50,250 the development that is 20,000 yards of the 80,000 we need 3513 02:40:50,250 --> 02:40:50,959 to bring in okay 3514 02:40:50,959 --> 02:40:56,389 there's more to come okay can you put your tree mitigation 3515 02:40:56,389 --> 02:40:58,639 okay now I don't 3516 02:40:58,639 --> 02:41:01,459 see and I know a lot of those trees for the invasive trees 3517 02:41:01,459 --> 02:41:02,559 we're gonna get rid 3518 02:41:02,559 --> 02:41:06,200 of but the road that's coming in metal lands that right now 3519 02:41:06,200 --> 02:41:07,360 is that stream we 3520 02:41:07,360 --> 02:41:10,940 were talking about that's gonna feed into Hickory Creek 3521 02:41:10,940 --> 02:41:12,639 that's bordered with 3522 02:41:12,639 --> 02:41:15,340 you know some pretty healthy trees so you didn't count 3523 02:41:15,340 --> 02:41:16,479 those trees as part of 3524 02:41:16,479 --> 02:41:20,270 the tree mitigation plan our surveyor went out and we've 3525 02:41:20,270 --> 02:41:21,520 only shown trees that 3526 02:41:21,520 --> 02:41:24,280 are six inches in diameter and larger so a lot of times 3527 02:41:24,280 --> 02:41:25,479 when you see trees in a 3528 02:41:25,479 --> 02:41:28,799 long row like that they'll be smaller trunk trees so they 3529 02:41:28,799 --> 02:41:29,239 didn't necessarily 3530 02:41:29,239 --> 02:41:35,979 qualify but again pardon me by doing this one doesn't show 3531 02:41:35,979 --> 02:41:36,760 it as well but 3532 02:41:36,760 --> 02:41:39,940 there's our ESA that we're totally staying out of so other 3533 02:41:39,940 --> 02:41:40,680 trees in that 3534 02:41:40,680 --> 02:41:43,969 area will be avoided and again we're doing minimal grading 3535 02:41:43,969 --> 02:41:46,719 in this area so 3536 02:41:46,719 --> 02:41:49,809 I was out looking and I don't disagree that probably most 3537 02:41:49,809 --> 02:41:50,520 of those are six 3538 02:41:50,520 --> 02:41:52,989 inches or less but there was there was a few that never 3539 02:41:52,989 --> 02:41:55,049 greater than six inches so I was just curious about that 3540 02:41:55,049 --> 02:41:55,200 and 3541 02:41:55,200 --> 02:42:00,790 lastly the drainage that comes out there at metal lands how 3542 02:42:00,790 --> 02:42:02,760 far set back from the 3543 02:42:02,760 --> 02:42:07,629 riparian stream is that it's gonna is it set up to hit well 3544 02:42:07,629 --> 02:42:09,079 we have put our 3545 02:42:09,079 --> 02:42:13,129 easement right here so we're we're bringing that pipe out 3546 02:42:13,129 --> 02:42:14,040 at the end and 3547 02:42:14,040 --> 02:42:17,770 battling it so that we can put some riprap in here so we're 3548 02:42:17,770 --> 02:42:18,639 I don't think 3549 02:42:18,639 --> 02:42:21,110 we're I know we're not getting into the stream buffer 3550 02:42:21,110 --> 02:42:23,000 itself okay we will get 3551 02:42:23,000 --> 02:42:27,239 into that floodplain good good one concern I had and I was 3552 02:42:27,239 --> 02:42:27,600 gonna mention 3553 02:42:27,600 --> 02:42:31,729 in some respect or another is and I think what you're doing 3554 02:42:31,729 --> 02:42:32,760 here is gonna 3555 02:42:32,760 --> 02:42:36,260 preserve what we want to preserve you know it's 3556 02:42:36,260 --> 02:42:38,440 disappointing to see that we 3557 02:42:38,440 --> 02:42:41,620 lost that northern section of the floodplain and the rip 3558 02:42:41,620 --> 02:42:42,559 arian buffer up 3559 02:42:42,559 --> 02:42:46,840 there you know from work that was done previously you know 3560 02:42:46,840 --> 02:42:47,760 shame on us back 3561 02:42:47,760 --> 02:42:50,229 then whoever it was we're not paying a little bit more 3562 02:42:50,229 --> 02:42:51,319 attention so every time 3563 02:42:51,319 --> 02:42:55,770 we come in and alter an ESA like you're doing here but for 3564 02:42:55,770 --> 02:42:56,959 the good you know I 3565 02:42:56,959 --> 02:42:59,610 always worry about the risk it's gonna have later down the 3566 02:42:59,610 --> 02:43:00,200 road will it 3567 02:43:00,200 --> 02:43:03,020 diminish it that much more and from what I can tell what 3568 02:43:03,020 --> 02:43:03,920 you're doing I think 3569 02:43:03,920 --> 02:43:07,340 you're making every effort to make sure it doesn't but I 3570 02:43:07,340 --> 02:43:09,040 just I say this openly 3571 02:43:09,040 --> 02:43:12,010 because you are a developer and any developer that might be 3572 02:43:12,010 --> 02:43:12,760 listening in 3573 02:43:12,760 --> 02:43:16,700 that how their development can impact these these hoes down 3574 02:43:16,700 --> 02:43:18,000 the road if we're 3575 02:43:18,000 --> 02:43:20,969 paying attention to them we can we can develop in a way 3576 02:43:20,969 --> 02:43:21,799 that it won't 3577 02:43:21,799 --> 02:43:25,270 negatively impact them so thank you Lee relative to that we 3578 02:43:25,270 --> 02:43:26,079 also took into 3579 02:43:26,079 --> 02:43:30,440 consideration that probably a hundred feet or more off of 3580 02:43:30,440 --> 02:43:32,360 here I remember the 3581 02:43:32,360 --> 02:43:34,520 name of the road earlier but there's an arterial road that 3582 02:43:34,520 --> 02:43:35,239 will be extended 3583 02:43:35,239 --> 02:43:37,870 through here it's on the city master thoroughfare plan also 3584 02:43:37,870 --> 02:43:38,520 there's a gas 3585 02:43:38,520 --> 02:43:42,309 well down here you saw the few lights lots that are within 3586 02:43:42,309 --> 02:43:43,799 that distance so I 3587 02:43:43,799 --> 02:43:48,040 don't know that much can no no that you know but I think 3588 02:43:48,040 --> 02:43:49,879 north of Ryan there's a 3589 02:43:49,879 --> 02:43:55,309 street called Sanders or something like that it's well 3590 02:43:55,309 --> 02:43:57,040 south of your development 3591 02:43:57,040 --> 02:43:59,040 there 3592 02:44:01,000 --> 02:44:04,180 my map isn't big enough yeah it's Sanders it's it's it's 3593 02:44:04,180 --> 02:44:05,239 south of there 3594 02:44:05,239 --> 02:44:08,600 right and that doesn't go all the way through into Forest 3595 02:44:08,600 --> 02:44:10,159 Ridge like Ryan does 3596 02:44:10,159 --> 02:44:15,200 but is is that an area well this it's El Paso I remember 3597 02:44:15,200 --> 02:44:17,000 down this street is our 3598 02:44:17,000 --> 02:44:20,180 collector Street identified on the master thoroughfare 3599 02:44:20,180 --> 02:44:20,680 played to come 3600 02:44:20,680 --> 02:44:25,790 through so a lot of the traffic that may be winding through 3601 02:44:25,790 --> 02:44:27,280 here initially in the 3602 02:44:27,280 --> 02:44:31,520 future will come down that's El Paso yes that's El Paso 3603 02:44:31,520 --> 02:44:32,280 okay of course that's 3604 02:44:32,280 --> 02:44:36,799 going to impact this floodplain and stream as well is that 3605 02:44:36,799 --> 02:44:37,399 on our is that on 3606 02:44:37,399 --> 02:44:40,920 our mobility plan yes it is okay thank you I usually keep 3607 02:44:40,920 --> 02:44:42,120 ahead of that didn't 3608 02:44:42,120 --> 02:44:46,639 catch it okay great thanks Lee thank you I don't see any 3609 02:44:46,639 --> 02:44:47,399 other questions mr. 3610 02:44:47,399 --> 02:44:51,329 Allison thank you I do have one card to speak but it is a 3611 02:44:51,329 --> 02:44:51,979 public hearing so 3612 02:44:51,979 --> 02:44:57,399 others more welcome to the card I have is for Jim speck 3613 02:44:57,399 --> 02:44:58,700 feed to state your name 3614 02:44:58,700 --> 02:45:02,799 and address for the record 3615 02:45:03,120 --> 02:45:08,719 hi I'm Jim speck 400 Regency Court I represent the Regency 3616 02:45:08,719 --> 02:45:09,760 Corps Regency Oaks 3617 02:45:09,760 --> 02:45:12,940 homeowners Association we're the homeowners Association 3618 02:45:12,940 --> 02:45:13,879 that's just north 3619 02:45:13,879 --> 02:45:17,549 of the proposed development as a whole well first I'd like 3620 02:45:17,549 --> 02:45:18,540 to speak to the 3621 02:45:18,540 --> 02:45:21,760 notices that was sent out only the homes that were along 3622 02:45:21,760 --> 02:45:23,520 the south side of our 3623 02:45:23,520 --> 02:45:26,700 community got any kind of notification nobody else within 3624 02:45:26,700 --> 02:45:28,159 the 500 got any kind 3625 02:45:28,159 --> 02:45:30,750 of communication so our reason why I even found out about 3626 02:45:30,750 --> 02:45:31,360 it is because of 3627 02:45:31,360 --> 02:45:34,540 one of the other neighbors spoke as a whole we're not 3628 02:45:34,540 --> 02:45:35,239 opposed to the 3629 02:45:35,239 --> 02:45:39,500 development what we are opposed to is the small opening 3630 02:45:39,500 --> 02:45:41,159 that they have for the 3631 02:45:41,159 --> 02:45:44,790 drainage we just don't feel that that's going to be enough 3632 02:45:44,790 --> 02:45:45,639 it really needs to be 3633 02:45:45,639 --> 02:45:49,430 at least half the size of the floodplain the one that is on 3634 02:45:49,430 --> 02:45:50,799 our side is that way 3635 02:45:50,799 --> 02:46:00,209 I have some pictures of it so ours is more open than what 3636 02:46:00,209 --> 02:46:02,399 they have proposed 3637 02:46:02,399 --> 02:46:04,920 and we're afraid it's gonna be a bottleneck if you look 3638 02:46:04,920 --> 02:46:05,680 back on theirs 3639 02:46:05,680 --> 02:46:10,899 you're gonna see that it's gonna basically right there we 3640 02:46:10,899 --> 02:46:11,479 're just gonna 3641 02:46:11,479 --> 02:46:16,260 bottleneck that it's gonna back up everything upstream I 3642 02:46:16,260 --> 02:46:17,200 understand what 3643 02:46:17,200 --> 02:46:19,930 mr. Lee was saying about you know the studies they've done 3644 02:46:19,930 --> 02:46:20,639 or whatever but I 3645 02:46:20,639 --> 02:46:24,430 live next door to it so I see it it's not a fair stream 3646 02:46:24,430 --> 02:46:26,159 when it rains all that 3647 02:46:26,159 --> 02:46:29,340 torrential rain that we get that that stream will rise 3648 02:46:29,340 --> 02:46:30,600 almost up to the top of 3649 02:46:30,600 --> 02:46:33,950 the picture that I just showed you guys so it's almost like 3650 02:46:33,950 --> 02:46:34,879 the around it in 3651 02:46:34,879 --> 02:46:37,350 high school and everything you guys have seen those cement 3652 02:46:37,350 --> 02:46:38,360 things fill up that's 3653 02:46:38,360 --> 02:46:41,940 the way it is if they put that small opening in there it's 3654 02:46:41,940 --> 02:46:43,280 just gonna back up 3655 02:46:43,280 --> 02:46:46,129 into our neighborhood and you know back upstream and all 3656 02:46:46,129 --> 02:46:47,159 the way up back up to 3657 02:46:47,159 --> 02:46:49,780 Hobson so that's our biggest concern so I'll invite the 3658 02:46:49,780 --> 02:46:51,040 applicant to speak but 3659 02:46:51,040 --> 02:46:55,239 before that Mr. Beck do you have a question? I do. Mr. Beck 3660 02:46:55,239 --> 02:46:56,159 can you as best 3661 02:46:56,159 --> 02:46:58,829 you can kind of pinpoint where you're talking about where 3662 02:46:58,829 --> 02:46:59,719 that culvert is on 3663 02:46:59,719 --> 02:47:03,170 your side of this development? Basically where this and 3664 02:47:03,170 --> 02:47:04,479 that's another reason 3665 02:47:04,479 --> 02:47:07,909 where these two homes are right here the floodplain splits 3666 02:47:07,909 --> 02:47:09,280 these two homes and our 3667 02:47:09,280 --> 02:47:12,780 bridge is basically right up here and as mr. Lee showed you 3668 02:47:12,780 --> 02:47:13,920 I don't have a thing 3669 02:47:13,920 --> 02:47:17,520 but we have you know one acre two acre lots so it's a wide 3670 02:47:17,520 --> 02:47:18,639 area on our side 3671 02:47:18,639 --> 02:47:21,100 that all that water is going to come down and basically you 3672 02:47:21,100 --> 02:47:21,680 look on theirs 3673 02:47:21,680 --> 02:47:24,610 they're trying to shrink the floodplain a little bit which 3674 02:47:24,610 --> 02:47:25,600 I don't have a problem 3675 02:47:25,600 --> 02:47:28,459 with that as long as they make the water go but where that 3676 02:47:28,459 --> 02:47:30,159 road is it's got to be 3677 02:47:30,159 --> 02:47:33,340 a wide opening otherwise it's just gonna back up into us. 3678 02:47:33,340 --> 02:47:35,280 Can we get Lee Allison 3679 02:47:35,280 --> 02:47:45,030 to come back down and address that? Good evening we've 3680 02:47:45,030 --> 02:47:48,159 actually got four or five 3681 02:47:48,159 --> 02:47:52,090 foot by ten foot box culverts planned there. Scale of the 3682 02:47:52,090 --> 02:47:53,040 drawing may look it's 3683 02:47:53,040 --> 02:47:56,420 make it look smaller but we've actually got a larger cross- 3684 02:47:56,420 --> 02:47:57,479 sectional opening in 3685 02:47:57,479 --> 02:48:00,659 our culverts than is what is upstream. We have the designs 3686 02:48:00,659 --> 02:48:01,760 and the model of those 3687 02:48:01,760 --> 02:48:05,690 and we looked at them very closely and then of course did 3688 02:48:05,690 --> 02:48:07,159 the analysis here to 3689 02:48:07,159 --> 02:48:09,809 make sure that would not over top those. We've turned that 3690 02:48:09,809 --> 02:48:10,799 into the city those 3691 02:48:10,799 --> 02:48:14,020 models have been analyzed by the city they've also been 3692 02:48:14,020 --> 02:48:15,440 analyzed by FEMA and 3693 02:48:15,440 --> 02:48:18,959 they have asked us to turn in the sign seal drawings to 3694 02:48:18,959 --> 02:48:20,479 FEMA. They've accepted 3695 02:48:20,479 --> 02:48:26,670 that model as well so that culvert that gentleman's 3696 02:48:26,670 --> 02:48:28,280 referring to is probably 3697 02:48:28,280 --> 02:48:31,739 about 200 feet away because it's under the road up here at 3698 02:48:31,739 --> 02:48:33,600 Regency Court and 3699 02:48:33,600 --> 02:48:37,229 granted these are large homes and it's a pretty wide open 3700 02:48:37,229 --> 02:48:40,120 channel and I'm very 3701 02:48:40,120 --> 02:48:42,760 confident that we're... So you can leave Mr. Speck's 3702 02:48:42,760 --> 02:48:45,479 concern about bottle making and 3703 02:48:45,479 --> 02:48:52,049 also we sized our culverts per the city criteria to 3704 02:48:52,049 --> 02:48:54,040 accommodate the 100 year 3705 02:48:54,040 --> 02:48:58,260 storm when all of the drainage area upstream is fully 3706 02:48:58,260 --> 02:48:59,840 developed per city 3707 02:48:59,840 --> 02:49:03,479 zoning and requirements so we've got it much larger we 3708 02:49:03,479 --> 02:49:05,559 believe than it needs to 3709 02:49:05,559 --> 02:49:08,739 be there and our culvert types well they've got box cul 3710 02:49:08,739 --> 02:49:10,559 verts as well. 3711 02:49:10,559 --> 02:49:17,559 Also we put theirs in the model as long as ours. How wide? 3712 02:49:17,559 --> 02:49:19,639 410 foot that's at least 40 3713 02:49:19,639 --> 02:49:24,079 feet wide. It's just the scale of the drawings it's a 3714 02:49:24,079 --> 02:49:25,479 understandable concern 3715 02:49:25,479 --> 02:49:29,829 and without seeing our detailed drawings I could look at 3716 02:49:29,829 --> 02:49:31,159 that and that probably 3717 02:49:31,159 --> 02:49:36,120 come to the same conclusion. Thank you. Thank you both. 3718 02:49:36,120 --> 02:49:37,639 This is a public 3719 02:49:37,639 --> 02:49:41,709 hearing anyone wishing to speak on the item can certainly 3720 02:49:41,709 --> 02:49:46,239 do so. Sir. If you just fill out a 3721 02:49:46,239 --> 02:49:49,739 card after speaking and then state your name and address 3722 02:49:49,739 --> 02:49:51,479 for the record. Rick 3723 02:49:51,479 --> 02:49:56,909 Wisenhunt and my address is 3306 Belmont and I on the tree 3724 02:49:56,909 --> 02:49:57,920 mitigation I just don't 3725 02:49:57,920 --> 02:50:01,709 I don't understand I guess so I'm trying to figure out does 3726 02:50:01,709 --> 02:50:02,479 that mean that the 3727 02:50:02,479 --> 02:50:05,139 trees it looked like almost all the trees are coming out is 3728 02:50:05,139 --> 02:50:05,760 that what's going 3729 02:50:05,760 --> 02:50:09,579 on is that what we're talking about? Mr. Alston can you 3730 02:50:09,579 --> 02:50:11,120 speak to the tree 3731 02:50:11,120 --> 02:50:23,829 mitigation? Per the drawing and if I can get it back up the 3732 02:50:23,829 --> 02:50:24,840 trees identified 3733 02:50:24,840 --> 02:50:27,540 here both red and green are all the trees the survey are 3734 02:50:27,540 --> 02:50:28,600 identified that are 3735 02:50:28,600 --> 02:50:32,969 six inches in diameter and larger. The green trees will be 3736 02:50:32,969 --> 02:50:35,000 preserved and the 3737 02:50:35,000 --> 02:50:39,549 red trees are scheduled to come out. If for some reason 3738 02:50:39,549 --> 02:50:41,100 during grading we can 3739 02:50:41,100 --> 02:50:43,879 preserve one we certainly will but those are scheduled to 3740 02:50:43,879 --> 02:50:45,879 come out and this I 3741 02:50:45,879 --> 02:50:49,809 don't have the exact number but this significantly or 3742 02:50:49,809 --> 02:50:51,299 notably exceeds the 3743 02:50:51,299 --> 02:50:54,450 city's minimum requirements for tree preservation. We're 3744 02:50:54,450 --> 02:50:55,079 not having to 3745 02:50:55,079 --> 02:50:58,329 mitigate any trees we're able to meet the preservation 3746 02:50:58,329 --> 02:50:59,959 requirements. It looks 3747 02:50:59,959 --> 02:51:03,139 like they're all congested in one area I mean the ones that 3748 02:51:03,139 --> 02:51:04,200 are not along this 3749 02:51:04,200 --> 02:51:07,879 entire side and along the side that we're on all the trees 3750 02:51:07,879 --> 02:51:08,520 are coming out it 3751 02:51:08,520 --> 02:51:12,120 looks like and I'm concerned about that both from aesthet 3752 02:51:12,120 --> 02:51:13,079 ically but I'm also 3753 02:51:13,079 --> 02:51:20,590 concerned about it in terms of any kind of water direction. 3754 02:51:20,590 --> 02:51:22,959 All the water is 3755 02:51:22,959 --> 02:51:26,110 going to drain towards the stream from either side it's not 3756 02:51:26,110 --> 02:51:26,520 going to go back 3757 02:51:26,520 --> 02:51:31,360 towards the lots. This has to do with the grading some of 3758 02:51:31,360 --> 02:51:32,079 these are coming out 3759 02:51:32,079 --> 02:51:35,780 because they're gonna end up being in TexDOT right away and 3760 02:51:35,780 --> 02:51:37,280 as these houses 3761 02:51:37,280 --> 02:51:42,709 are moved in the future and this is regraded is we haven't 3762 02:51:42,709 --> 02:51:43,879 upfront identified 3763 02:51:43,879 --> 02:51:49,000 a way to preserve and save those particular trees. 3764 02:51:49,000 --> 02:51:50,079 Obviously when you got 3765 02:51:50,079 --> 02:51:57,159 some in the middle of the street we can't save those and 3766 02:51:57,159 --> 02:51:58,680 and this is going 3767 02:51:58,680 --> 02:52:01,319 to save more. I guess another thing back to your question 3768 02:52:01,319 --> 02:52:02,760 Mr. Beck in the 3769 02:52:02,760 --> 02:52:13,549 workshop. Oh I wasn't thinking about the TV sorry. You know 3770 02:52:13,549 --> 02:52:15,360 if if we were to 3771 02:52:15,360 --> 02:52:22,309 develop and not get the ESA one consideration would be to 3772 02:52:22,309 --> 02:52:23,639 not grade 3773 02:52:23,639 --> 02:52:27,020 bring in dirt to save trees to cut the lots in half so we 3774 02:52:27,020 --> 02:52:28,239 could double the 3775 02:52:28,239 --> 02:52:30,799 number of lots and get it all in there so I mean from 3776 02:52:30,799 --> 02:52:32,219 economic and Mr. Key is 3777 02:52:32,219 --> 02:52:35,399 not that type of person but from economic perspective he 3778 02:52:35,399 --> 02:52:36,719 could jam lots 3779 02:52:36,719 --> 02:52:40,270 in here and get rid of those trees and not touch the flood 3780 02:52:40,270 --> 02:52:41,600 plain at all and meet 3781 02:52:41,600 --> 02:52:44,780 the counts even with the old zoning. So you're saying the 3782 02:52:44,780 --> 02:52:47,000 if I may chair that 3783 02:52:47,000 --> 02:52:53,899 all the green trees that are staying meet the minimum tree 3784 02:52:53,899 --> 02:52:53,920 per tree 3785 02:52:53,920 --> 02:52:57,209 preservation requirement or the mitigation? Yes if I 3786 02:52:57,209 --> 02:52:58,440 remember correctly 3787 02:52:58,440 --> 02:53:04,030 we're required to save or mitigate 25% of the trees and we 3788 02:53:04,030 --> 02:53:06,040 could mitigate 12 3789 02:53:06,040 --> 02:53:09,559 and a half percent but we're able to save I want to say 35- 3790 02:53:09,559 --> 02:53:11,600 40% we're above 3791 02:53:11,600 --> 02:53:15,559 the 25%. These red ones you're removing are some of these 3792 02:53:15,559 --> 02:53:17,239 heritage and native 3793 02:53:17,239 --> 02:53:22,940 trees? Our tree preservation plans typically go in with 3794 02:53:22,940 --> 02:53:23,680 their plants and I 3795 02:53:23,680 --> 02:53:27,610 don't have that information. I mean there's always 3796 02:53:27,610 --> 02:53:28,959 unfortunately some 3797 02:53:28,959 --> 02:53:32,639 pecans and nouns and not just hackberries and mesquites. 3798 02:53:32,639 --> 02:53:33,559 But they're 3799 02:53:33,559 --> 02:53:36,739 all the red ones or six inches in diameter or bigger? Yes 3800 02:53:36,739 --> 02:53:37,639 all of the trees 3801 02:53:37,639 --> 02:53:40,840 on this side are six inches in diameter and larger. Okay 3802 02:53:40,840 --> 02:53:43,120 now as you build the 3803 02:53:43,120 --> 02:53:47,440 homes there will you be putting trees in? Oh definitely 3804 02:53:47,440 --> 02:53:48,440 that's part of the city 3805 02:53:48,440 --> 02:53:52,709 code requirement street trees and residential trees. How 3806 02:53:52,709 --> 02:53:53,479 many trees would 3807 02:53:53,479 --> 02:53:58,899 you say per lot would you be? Two to three including the 3808 02:53:58,899 --> 02:54:01,360 street tree? 3809 02:54:03,000 --> 02:54:05,770 I expect these lots are definitely gonna have two trees per 3810 02:54:05,770 --> 02:54:06,920 lot for the street 3811 02:54:06,920 --> 02:54:10,909 trees and I expect there'll be two trees or so planted on 3812 02:54:10,909 --> 02:54:12,760 each yard. You need to 3813 02:54:12,760 --> 02:54:16,360 get the house plans. One thing we're not doing is we're not 3814 02:54:16,360 --> 02:54:17,520 overgrading a lot of 3815 02:54:17,520 --> 02:54:21,690 the lots so that Kent can come in with a custom home or 3816 02:54:21,690 --> 02:54:22,879 whoever builder comes in 3817 02:54:22,879 --> 02:54:26,680 with a custom home instead of building a big square pad 3818 02:54:26,680 --> 02:54:28,079 just build a pad that 3819 02:54:28,079 --> 02:54:30,159 meets the house and if you can save a tree you have more 3820 02:54:30,159 --> 02:54:31,020 opportunity to do 3821 02:54:31,020 --> 02:54:33,879 that. I wonder if I could ask too and I was gonna mention 3822 02:54:33,879 --> 02:54:34,959 this at the end of our 3823 02:54:34,959 --> 02:54:37,909 meeting but when you put your tree protection fence up that 3824 02:54:37,909 --> 02:54:38,600 orange fence 3825 02:54:38,600 --> 02:54:42,010 yes any chance you could put that out at the drip line so 3826 02:54:42,010 --> 02:54:43,440 you don't when you're 3827 02:54:43,440 --> 02:54:45,909 when you're developing your lot you don't cut into the root 3828 02:54:45,909 --> 02:54:46,879 systems like. For 3829 02:54:46,879 --> 02:54:51,479 the code it is supposed to be put at the drip line. Okay I 3830 02:54:51,479 --> 02:54:52,360 kind of thought it was. 3831 02:54:52,360 --> 02:54:56,680 The Kent key is perfect and they will be put there but okay 3832 02:54:56,680 --> 02:54:57,079 knows they're 3833 02:54:57,079 --> 02:55:01,280 supposed to be and he wants them there. Good enough. 3834 02:55:01,280 --> 02:55:05,280 If you could just step up to the microphone. 3835 02:55:05,280 --> 02:55:08,459 The plant that was shown at the first that had more of this 3836 02:55:08,459 --> 02:55:11,909 drawn out in phase one, phase two, is there a way we can 3837 02:55:11,909 --> 02:55:13,280 get a copy of that? 3838 02:55:13,280 --> 02:55:18,700 It's available online currently but we can certainly yeah 3839 02:55:18,700 --> 02:55:19,399 okay you can get with 3840 02:55:19,399 --> 02:55:22,579 Haley and she can provide that to you. Okay so we're 3841 02:55:22,579 --> 02:55:23,879 basically all the trees 3842 02:55:23,879 --> 02:55:26,610 behind us are gonna be cut down is what we're looking at. I 3843 02:55:26,610 --> 02:55:28,920 'm not able to I don't 3844 02:55:28,920 --> 02:55:33,040 know what this the process is here we didn't fill out a 3845 02:55:33,040 --> 02:55:34,639 plus or minus on 3846 02:55:34,639 --> 02:55:36,569 whether to do it because we were coming to the meeting are 3847 02:55:36,569 --> 02:55:37,319 we supposed to turn 3848 02:55:37,319 --> 02:55:40,399 that in afterwards? On the blue card you can write support 3849 02:55:40,399 --> 02:55:41,120 or opposition and be 3850 02:55:41,120 --> 02:55:47,000 filed with us. Thanks. Christian Beck. Just to answer Mr. 3851 02:55:47,000 --> 02:55:48,600 Weisenhut's concern about 3852 02:55:48,600 --> 02:55:51,780 not getting a notice I don't think they sent notices out on 3853 02:55:51,780 --> 02:55:53,879 it on this AESA 3854 02:55:53,879 --> 02:55:57,290 right they would do that on the zoning but they all didn't 3855 02:55:57,290 --> 02:55:58,319 send notices out for 3856 02:55:58,319 --> 02:56:02,250 the you did okay my mistake. The same notification 3857 02:56:02,250 --> 02:56:03,360 procedures followed for an 3858 02:56:03,360 --> 02:56:06,920 alternative ESA plan. Okay I stand corrected thank you. 3859 02:56:06,920 --> 02:56:10,500 Commissioner Ellis. Thank You Chair. Haley while you're up 3860 02:56:10,500 --> 02:56:12,000 on on that topic can you 3861 02:56:12,000 --> 02:56:18,569 address the gentleman's concern in the area to the north 3862 02:56:18,569 --> 02:56:20,559 why perhaps that block 3863 02:56:20,559 --> 02:56:27,860 did not get notification on regency? So the the 200 foot 3864 02:56:27,860 --> 02:56:30,440 letter would have only 3865 02:56:30,440 --> 02:56:33,290 hit these the homes on the south side all of these 3866 02:56:33,290 --> 02:56:34,879 addresses would have had 3867 02:56:34,879 --> 02:56:38,090 notices sent to them we use the county's current most 3868 02:56:38,090 --> 02:56:39,879 recent you know tax roll to 3869 02:56:39,879 --> 02:56:44,979 obtain our addresses so we have a receipt showing that all 3870 02:56:44,979 --> 02:56:45,600 the postcards 3871 02:56:45,600 --> 02:56:53,420 were sent. Okay. Is there anyone else who likes to speak on 3872 02:56:53,420 --> 02:56:55,920 this item? Ma'am was 3873 02:56:55,920 --> 02:56:59,309 first in the front and so forth. If you could state your 3874 02:56:59,309 --> 02:57:00,680 name and address for the 3875 02:57:00,680 --> 02:57:04,120 record. Okay I'm Stacey Beavers I'm at 121 Meadowlands 3876 02:57:04,120 --> 02:57:06,399 Drive so I'm literally 3877 02:57:06,399 --> 02:57:10,000 right next door to where all this is going to start. I 3878 02:57:10,000 --> 02:57:11,479 missed the meeting on 3879 02:57:11,479 --> 02:57:15,840 September 5th that I think the engineer addressed. I know 3880 02:57:15,840 --> 02:57:17,079 some people said they 3881 02:57:17,079 --> 02:57:20,420 got cards my card actually came on September 10th so I 3882 02:57:20,420 --> 02:57:21,840 missed that meeting 3883 02:57:21,840 --> 02:57:24,309 and so I wanted to address just real quickly a couple of 3884 02:57:24,309 --> 02:57:25,079 questions that I 3885 02:57:25,079 --> 02:57:28,170 might have been able to ask him at that time but didn't get 3886 02:57:28,170 --> 02:57:29,239 an opportunity since 3887 02:57:29,239 --> 02:57:34,629 I didn't get the card. I spoke with Kent Key last summer 3888 02:57:34,629 --> 02:57:36,600 and asked him a little 3889 02:57:36,600 --> 02:57:39,370 bit about this development because they started bringing in 3890 02:57:39,370 --> 02:57:40,120 just trucks and 3891 02:57:40,120 --> 02:57:43,879 trucks and trucks of dirt from 7 in the morning till 6 at 3892 02:57:43,879 --> 02:57:45,440 night and they were 3893 02:57:45,440 --> 02:57:49,370 literally every five minutes just coming in and out in and 3894 02:57:49,370 --> 02:57:50,040 out in and out and 3895 02:57:50,040 --> 02:57:52,790 everybody was in and up roars and then all of a sudden from 3896 02:57:52,790 --> 02:57:54,079 what I heard they 3897 02:57:54,079 --> 02:57:57,260 got a cease and desist I don't know if that's a fact or not 3898 02:57:57,260 --> 02:57:58,680 but then I saw him 3899 02:57:58,680 --> 02:58:01,360 one day and I asked him what was going on and he said he 3900 02:58:01,360 --> 02:58:02,479 was working with the 3901 02:58:02,479 --> 02:58:05,659 city to get that development going and I'm very curious 3902 02:58:05,659 --> 02:58:06,799 because my husband and 3903 02:58:06,799 --> 02:58:09,979 I are reaching a point where our kids are grown and we want 3904 02:58:09,979 --> 02:58:11,879 to downsize so I 3905 02:58:11,879 --> 02:58:15,809 asked him you know what the situation was and how soon that 3906 02:58:15,809 --> 02:58:17,639 would be coming. He 3907 02:58:17,639 --> 02:58:20,819 indicated that he would have was currently fighting with 3908 02:58:20,819 --> 02:58:21,520 the city about 3909 02:58:21,520 --> 02:58:25,959 making that an HOA so my first question is do you know if 3910 02:58:25,959 --> 02:58:27,360 that subdivision is 3911 02:58:27,360 --> 02:58:33,670 going to have an HOA? Yes, Mr. Allison. Because we 3912 02:58:33,670 --> 02:58:35,200 currently do not and that is 3913 02:58:35,200 --> 02:58:38,149 one really nice thing about our subdivision and it is a big 3914 02:58:38,149 --> 02:58:38,840 attraction 3915 02:58:38,840 --> 02:58:42,170 to people because so many of these subdivisions that are 3916 02:58:42,170 --> 02:58:43,360 going in have 3917 02:58:43,360 --> 02:58:46,540 HOAs and there are good things about them but there are 3918 02:58:46,540 --> 02:58:47,319 also a lot of bad 3919 02:58:47,319 --> 02:58:52,399 things about them so I'm curious. This development will not 3920 02:58:52,399 --> 02:58:54,760 have an HOA. There are not any 3921 02:58:54,760 --> 02:58:58,829 common lots. The drainage will be developed dedicated to 3922 02:58:58,829 --> 02:58:59,559 the city for city 3923 02:58:59,559 --> 02:59:03,920 maintenance. When Mr. Key was bringing in those loads of 3924 02:59:03,920 --> 02:59:05,120 dirt that was about 3925 02:59:05,120 --> 02:59:11,200 20,000 yards. He had a stockpiling permit. He was doing 3926 02:59:11,200 --> 02:59:13,479 some mowing in the ESA so 3927 02:59:13,479 --> 02:59:17,079 we got stopped for that momentarily but it wasn't but he 3928 02:59:17,079 --> 02:59:17,719 didn't really get a 3929 02:59:17,719 --> 02:59:21,770 cease and desist but there was an issue there and no that's 3930 02:59:21,770 --> 02:59:22,879 all understandable 3931 02:59:22,879 --> 02:59:25,719 probably. There is a certain amount of truth to every rumor 3932 02:59:25,719 --> 02:59:27,079 unfortunately but 3933 02:59:27,079 --> 02:59:31,399 that's what occurred and primarily with construction one of 3934 02:59:31,399 --> 02:59:32,280 the reasons we're 3935 02:59:32,280 --> 02:59:36,069 putting this temporary road where this is so we can do more 3936 02:59:36,069 --> 02:59:36,879 access from this 3937 02:59:36,879 --> 02:59:40,260 direction and not need to come. Believe me he remembers all 3938 02:59:40,260 --> 02:59:41,600 the calls he got from 3939 02:59:41,600 --> 02:59:45,319 that delivery. Okay so and to that maybe you can just stay 3940 02:59:45,319 --> 02:59:46,440 and answer. Do you know 3941 02:59:46,440 --> 02:59:49,620 yet what the minimum square footage of the homes in that 3942 02:59:49,620 --> 02:59:50,799 subdivision are going 3943 02:59:50,799 --> 02:59:54,729 to be required to be? There's no minimum being placed upon 3944 02:59:54,729 --> 02:59:55,520 them but just because 3945 02:59:55,520 --> 03:00:00,399 of the cost and the size of the lots. I think we're looking 3946 03:00:00,399 --> 03:00:01,959 Kent has told me in 3947 03:00:01,959 --> 03:00:05,639 the 500,000 a million dollar range on the home prices, 3948 03:00:05,639 --> 03:00:08,000 values. Okay and will you be 3949 03:00:08,000 --> 03:00:11,790 able to bring your own builder? Use your own builder or is 3950 03:00:11,790 --> 03:00:12,799 he going to be the 3951 03:00:12,799 --> 03:00:17,649 primary builder in the subdivision or? These lots he'll 3952 03:00:17,649 --> 03:00:18,719 build some of them they 3953 03:00:18,719 --> 03:00:21,600 will be for sale. I don't know if he has enough commitments 3954 03:00:21,600 --> 03:00:22,520 to take them all or 3955 03:00:22,520 --> 03:00:26,989 not but I'm sure he would entertain an offer. Okay and do 3956 03:00:26,989 --> 03:00:29,120 we have any idea based 3957 03:00:29,120 --> 03:00:33,319 on the size of the lots the price ranges of the lots? Oh 3958 03:00:33,319 --> 03:00:36,360 the lots themselves I 3959 03:00:36,360 --> 03:00:41,579 would like a starting range for the smallest lot to the I'm 3960 03:00:41,579 --> 03:00:42,600 guessing but I 3961 03:00:42,600 --> 03:00:44,790 would say you're in the hundred and fifty to four hundred 3962 03:00:44,790 --> 03:00:45,520 thousand dollar 3963 03:00:45,520 --> 03:00:47,670 range. I mean there's a house up a lot up here in the 3964 03:00:47,670 --> 03:00:48,760 corner is gonna be thirty 3965 03:00:48,760 --> 03:00:51,719 thousand square feet so you know there's a three hundred 3966 03:00:51,719 --> 03:00:52,879 four hundred thousand 3967 03:00:52,879 --> 03:00:55,360 dollar lot right there. Particularly if he's able to save 3968 03:00:55,360 --> 03:00:56,760 those trees as he plans. 3969 03:00:56,760 --> 03:01:00,739 Do you know based on where we stand today when those lots 3970 03:01:00,739 --> 03:01:02,479 might start being 3971 03:01:02,479 --> 03:01:07,239 sold and therefore some of us get an idea of when 3972 03:01:07,239 --> 03:01:08,559 construction is going to 3973 03:01:08,559 --> 03:01:11,030 start so that we have an idea of when the commercial 3974 03:01:11,030 --> 03:01:12,200 vehicles are going to be 3975 03:01:12,200 --> 03:01:15,350 coming in and out of there and you mentioned also that you 3976 03:01:15,350 --> 03:01:15,920 're gonna be 3977 03:01:15,920 --> 03:01:21,040 bringing in 60,000 yards of dirt. Yes. Is that going to 3978 03:01:21,040 --> 03:01:22,719 come off of Country Club 3979 03:01:22,719 --> 03:01:25,319 Road or is that gonna come through Meadowlands like that 3980 03:01:25,319 --> 03:01:26,479 other dirt did or? 3981 03:01:26,479 --> 03:01:29,309 Again he'll try and come down Country Club Road with it he 3982 03:01:29,309 --> 03:01:30,319 's actually getting 3983 03:01:30,319 --> 03:01:34,850 this from a road construction project. I would expect all 3984 03:01:34,850 --> 03:01:36,620 the improvements to be 3985 03:01:36,620 --> 03:01:40,870 completed and the plats filed and lots for sale sometime 3986 03:01:40,870 --> 03:01:42,600 next summer. In the 3987 03:01:42,600 --> 03:01:45,059 meantime though I'd say by the first of the year he might 3988 03:01:45,059 --> 03:01:45,680 be able to take 3989 03:01:45,680 --> 03:01:49,750 pre-sales but he can't officially sell a lot until it's a 3990 03:01:49,750 --> 03:01:51,120 real lot. Okay. 3991 03:01:51,120 --> 03:01:53,500 Okay. I think that was all of my questions. Thank you so 3992 03:01:53,500 --> 03:01:53,600 much. 3993 03:01:53,600 --> 03:01:56,959 Fantastic thank you both. Thank you. 3994 03:01:57,639 --> 03:02:02,059 This is a public hearing sir what are you wanting to speak? 3995 03:02:02,059 --> 03:02:03,520 I do just fill a 3996 03:02:03,520 --> 03:02:06,489 card afterwards and state your name and address for the 3997 03:02:06,489 --> 03:02:08,200 record. Yes my name is 3998 03:02:08,200 --> 03:02:12,350 Chris Beggs and I'm at 401 Regency Court right across the 3999 03:02:12,350 --> 03:02:15,159 street from Jim. 4000 03:02:15,159 --> 03:02:20,750 We have the property that aligns actually where the 4001 03:02:20,750 --> 03:02:21,479 development is 4002 03:02:21,479 --> 03:02:25,309 going on. You can't let me see. If you use the mouse we can 4003 03:02:25,309 --> 03:02:29,040 see that. We are right 4004 03:02:29,040 --> 03:02:34,469 here. So what I'm looking at and I guess the concern is is 4005 03:02:34,469 --> 03:02:35,879 that we have trees all 4006 03:02:35,879 --> 03:02:38,559 of these trees and I know that they're going to be taking 4007 03:02:38,559 --> 03:02:39,600 some of these trees 4008 03:02:39,600 --> 03:02:44,129 out. Well miss I lost my pointer but to the back of the 4009 03:02:44,129 --> 03:02:45,079 property there on the 4010 03:02:45,079 --> 03:02:49,010 south side we've got a beautiful tree line that runs along 4011 03:02:49,010 --> 03:02:49,520 right through 4012 03:02:49,520 --> 03:02:53,799 there and I know that developers they like taking this 4013 03:02:53,799 --> 03:02:55,159 stuff out and you had 4014 03:02:55,159 --> 03:02:58,139 mentioned the gentleman here had mentioned about trees 4015 03:02:58,139 --> 03:02:59,000 being taken out 4016 03:02:59,000 --> 03:03:03,250 that I guess the ones that are tagged are over six inches I 4017 03:03:03,250 --> 03:03:04,520 guess in diameter. 4018 03:03:04,520 --> 03:03:08,569 Well there's some of them back there that are under you 4019 03:03:08,569 --> 03:03:10,079 know about six inches 4020 03:03:10,079 --> 03:03:13,899 or so that they they offer quite a bit of buffer for it. I 4021 03:03:13,899 --> 03:03:15,159 think I speak for 4022 03:03:15,159 --> 03:03:20,590 everyone that's on that that property line there that I 4023 03:03:20,590 --> 03:03:22,440 guess the concern is 4024 03:03:22,440 --> 03:03:25,950 we have trees that will be right on that property line and 4025 03:03:25,950 --> 03:03:27,120 I'm trying to figure 4026 03:03:27,120 --> 03:03:30,610 out is that are they planning on taking those trees out I 4027 03:03:30,610 --> 03:03:31,680 mean if or is there 4028 03:03:31,680 --> 03:03:34,510 going to be like a you know they're going to come off of 4029 03:03:34,510 --> 03:03:35,600 that property line 4030 03:03:35,600 --> 03:03:38,799 before they start taking trees out because that could wipe 4031 03:03:38,799 --> 03:03:39,639 out quite a bit 4032 03:03:39,639 --> 03:03:42,479 of that vegetation. Mr. Austin could certainly answer that 4033 03:03:42,479 --> 03:03:43,920 I'd imagine Mr. Key 4034 03:03:43,920 --> 03:03:47,420 would want to keep those for property value but if there's 4035 03:03:47,420 --> 03:03:48,600 plans to remove 4036 03:03:48,600 --> 03:03:54,680 them. Again a lot of these trees we're not even sure if 4037 03:03:54,680 --> 03:03:55,879 they're on our lot or 4038 03:03:55,879 --> 03:03:59,399 on the neighbors lot they could be under six inches but we 4039 03:03:59,399 --> 03:04:00,799 have graded matching 4040 03:04:00,799 --> 03:04:04,059 grade here so we can stay out here and protect the trees 4041 03:04:04,059 --> 03:04:05,200 along here save and 4042 03:04:05,200 --> 03:04:08,879 accept those in the immediate area of the channel where we 4043 03:04:08,879 --> 03:04:09,959 might have to do 4044 03:04:09,959 --> 03:04:13,889 some extensive grading but particularly I guess is this 4045 03:04:13,889 --> 03:04:15,360 your lot am I pointing 4046 03:04:15,360 --> 03:04:20,040 correctly? Yes. I'll be hard-pressed to see why we'd have 4047 03:04:20,040 --> 03:04:20,600 to take any of 4048 03:04:20,600 --> 03:04:23,879 those trees out. Because our property line actually goes 4049 03:04:23,879 --> 03:04:25,920 just on the other side of 4050 03:04:25,920 --> 03:04:31,030 the creek actually on the west side extends just right over 4051 03:04:31,030 --> 03:04:31,959 on the west side. 4052 03:04:31,959 --> 03:04:35,540 Okay so you're close to the trees. Yeah. But still these 4053 03:04:35,540 --> 03:04:36,719 trees in particular 4054 03:04:36,719 --> 03:04:39,899 those are based on our grading plan I don't yeah I can't 4055 03:04:39,899 --> 03:04:41,280 imagine those 4056 03:04:41,280 --> 03:04:46,920 leading to come out. And that's that's been the most 4057 03:04:46,920 --> 03:04:47,000 question I guess. Sure. 4058 03:04:47,000 --> 03:04:51,000 Understood. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. You just fill out a 4059 03:04:51,000 --> 03:04:53,360 blue card. 4060 03:05:02,319 --> 03:05:08,389 Christian Ellis. Thank you Chair. Mr. Beggs. Excuse me sir. 4061 03:05:08,389 --> 03:05:11,639 I'm just curious did you get a notification 4062 03:05:11,639 --> 03:05:17,719 card in the mail? You did? No. Where are you in? I think we 4063 03:05:17,719 --> 03:05:20,239 're in the 200. Okay so you're in the 4064 03:05:20,239 --> 03:05:23,600 within the red line? Oh within the red line yeah right 4065 03:05:23,600 --> 03:05:26,079 there. So but as far as I 4066 03:05:26,079 --> 03:05:29,319 know I think I did and Steve got one too. 4067 03:05:32,360 --> 03:05:35,360 [inaudible] 4068 03:05:35,360 --> 03:05:38,709 For what it's worth I'm in the 500 and I was I got notified 4069 03:05:38,709 --> 03:05:40,200 . You did? By both the 4070 03:05:40,200 --> 03:05:46,639 city and by Mr. Allison's. So I was I was caught. 4071 03:05:47,200 --> 03:05:52,079 Is anyone else wanting to speak on this matter? Yes ma'am. 4072 03:05:52,079 --> 03:05:54,159 Again if you could just 4073 03:05:54,159 --> 03:05:56,079 fill out a card when you're done and just state your name 4074 03:05:56,079 --> 03:05:56,799 and address for the 4075 03:05:56,799 --> 03:06:06,930 record. Hi I am Stephanie Watley and I live at 801 Regency 4076 03:06:06,930 --> 03:06:08,920 Court so this first 4077 03:06:08,920 --> 03:06:14,879 lot here on the south side. I think my question probably 4078 03:06:14,879 --> 03:06:19,200 for Mr. Allison is also 4079 03:06:19,200 --> 03:06:22,379 about the tree line but I was concerned when you were 4080 03:06:22,379 --> 03:06:23,239 saying there's gonna be a 4081 03:06:23,239 --> 03:06:27,940 temporary entrance. Could you show me where that's gonna be 4082 03:06:27,940 --> 03:06:29,040 ? Is that where the 4083 03:06:29,040 --> 03:06:33,969 current that is that where that current like a little 4084 03:06:33,969 --> 03:06:35,399 driveway is? Is that where 4085 03:06:35,399 --> 03:06:39,329 the road is gonna be? Yes. Okay just pardon me for the 4086 03:06:39,329 --> 03:06:40,680 microphone and for everybody's 4087 03:06:40,680 --> 03:06:44,440 benefit. This road this gravel road that's existing it's 4088 03:06:44,440 --> 03:06:46,559 probably a 150 feet 4089 03:06:46,559 --> 03:06:50,629 or so off the property line is where the permanent road 4090 03:06:50,629 --> 03:06:52,159 will go here and the 4091 03:06:52,159 --> 03:06:56,239 temporary road here. Okay so when the permanent road is 4092 03:06:56,239 --> 03:06:58,000 completed it will no 4093 03:06:58,000 --> 03:07:00,770 longer go to Country Club from here it's gonna come down 4094 03:07:00,770 --> 03:07:01,840 this direction is that 4095 03:07:01,840 --> 03:07:04,709 correct? Yes it'll come down here and then line up with 4096 03:07:04,709 --> 03:07:06,040 this street. Okay. We 4097 03:07:06,040 --> 03:07:08,500 just don't know where along here because we don't know how 4098 03:07:08,500 --> 03:07:09,079 much text on it's 4099 03:07:09,079 --> 03:07:13,040 gonna take at this time. So once this road is complete 4100 03:07:13,040 --> 03:07:14,440 there are plans to develop 4101 03:07:14,440 --> 03:07:18,190 between Regency there will be a row of houses right here 4102 03:07:18,190 --> 03:07:19,680 between the road and 4103 03:07:19,680 --> 03:07:24,069 the tree line. Is that correct? That is correct. Okay so I 4104 03:07:24,069 --> 03:07:27,399 know we're at risk you know some of 4105 03:07:27,399 --> 03:07:30,079 our property is at risk with the easement through text on 4106 03:07:30,079 --> 03:07:32,319 also so I was 4107 03:07:32,319 --> 03:07:37,459 just interested to know what's your theory right now about 4108 03:07:37,459 --> 03:07:38,040 where you may 4109 03:07:38,040 --> 03:07:42,459 start developing. We've got about one I mean I don't know 4110 03:07:42,459 --> 03:07:43,979 exactly how far the 4111 03:07:43,979 --> 03:07:49,129 property is crossed. I have one I think they'll help show 4112 03:07:49,129 --> 03:07:49,520 that. 4113 03:07:49,520 --> 03:07:55,239 Oh that was easy. 4114 03:08:00,120 --> 03:08:04,239 This shows our phase one and there's where the creek comes 4115 03:08:04,239 --> 03:08:06,079 through there's 4116 03:08:06,079 --> 03:08:10,149 Country Club Road it looks like there's probably three lots 4117 03:08:10,149 --> 03:08:11,479 in here that we're 4118 03:08:11,479 --> 03:08:15,270 not developing now but we will have a row of lots along 4119 03:08:15,270 --> 03:08:16,799 here. Okay. And then in 4120 03:08:16,799 --> 03:08:19,270 the future depending on text dot there could be two or 4121 03:08:19,270 --> 03:08:20,280 three lots back here. 4122 03:08:20,280 --> 03:08:23,639 Okay I gotcha and then again my concern is just for the 4123 03:08:23,639 --> 03:08:25,600 tree line you know I 4124 03:08:25,600 --> 03:08:29,000 know just because ever since this has become an issue I've 4125 03:08:29,000 --> 03:08:30,159 gone to the back to 4126 03:08:30,159 --> 03:08:33,639 try to look at where my trees end versus where the other 4127 03:08:33,639 --> 03:08:35,000 ones begin you know and 4128 03:08:35,000 --> 03:08:37,889 I can see that our tree line is nice and thick you know and 4129 03:08:37,889 --> 03:08:38,879 there was so much 4130 03:08:38,879 --> 03:08:42,059 talk before about the previous development about 4131 03:08:42,059 --> 03:08:43,040 maintaining the 4132 03:08:43,040 --> 03:08:45,930 buffers to help with the value of the homes. I mean you 4133 03:08:45,930 --> 03:08:47,120 know we're really in 4134 03:08:47,120 --> 03:08:51,409 this you know this neighborhood is bordering you know two 4135 03:08:51,409 --> 03:08:52,399 nice neighborhoods 4136 03:08:52,399 --> 03:08:55,049 obviously and it's in our best interest for everybody to 4137 03:08:55,049 --> 03:08:56,079 keep as many trees as 4138 03:08:56,079 --> 03:08:59,629 we can so I was just it makes me nervous that they don't 4139 03:08:59,629 --> 03:09:00,319 show up on the map 4140 03:09:00,319 --> 03:09:04,479 because then you know when we see the tree mitigation it 4141 03:09:04,479 --> 03:09:05,520 doesn't address the 4142 03:09:05,520 --> 03:09:08,889 south side of it at all so I was just curious is there any 4143 03:09:08,889 --> 03:09:10,000 further information 4144 03:09:10,000 --> 03:09:15,430 we'll get that maybe shows our tree line? To be honest no 4145 03:09:15,430 --> 03:09:18,920 that's uh we are done 4146 03:09:18,920 --> 03:09:23,190 this to meet city requirements and I'm trying to get back 4147 03:09:23,190 --> 03:09:24,040 to another other than 4148 03:09:24,040 --> 03:09:27,969 an aerial that shows these trees along here and the fact 4149 03:09:27,969 --> 03:09:28,920 that Mr. Key is 4150 03:09:28,920 --> 03:09:33,450 bringing in 80,000 and it costs money to remove a tree and 4151 03:09:33,450 --> 03:09:34,719 we've graded so those 4152 03:09:34,719 --> 03:09:37,940 wouldn't have to be removed that's about the best assur 4153 03:09:37,940 --> 03:09:39,280 ances I can give you at 4154 03:09:39,280 --> 03:09:42,719 this time. Okay so from this perspective when you were 4155 03:09:42,719 --> 03:09:43,719 talking about two or three 4156 03:09:43,719 --> 03:09:47,680 lots about where do you think is this is my lot right here 4157 03:09:47,680 --> 03:09:48,639 so where are you 4158 03:09:48,639 --> 03:09:51,100 thinking right now for the TexDOT allotment where do you 4159 03:09:51,100 --> 03:09:51,399 think you'll begin? 4160 03:09:51,399 --> 03:09:55,729 Well we're gonna stop here and we think TexDOT is probably 4161 03:09:55,729 --> 03:09:56,719 trying to come 4162 03:09:56,719 --> 03:10:02,409 through here I'm guessing they might do a little bit of 4163 03:10:02,409 --> 03:10:04,479 geometrical creativity 4164 03:10:04,479 --> 03:10:09,389 through here to avoid as much as possible but you know with 4165 03:10:09,389 --> 03:10:10,360 here because 4166 03:10:10,360 --> 03:10:14,290 of these homes and the big front yards there we think they 4167 03:10:14,290 --> 03:10:15,399 'll maximize their 4168 03:10:15,399 --> 03:10:19,920 right-of-way taking in our area. Okay do you know a date on 4169 03:10:19,920 --> 03:10:21,239 like phase one and 4170 03:10:21,239 --> 03:10:25,520 phase two? Again phase one we hope to break ground right 4171 03:10:25,520 --> 03:10:26,319 after the first of 4172 03:10:26,319 --> 03:10:29,840 the year and be completed next summer sometime. You'll be 4173 03:10:29,840 --> 03:10:31,200 completed with the 4174 03:10:31,200 --> 03:10:33,719 lots will become available? With all the streets yes then 4175 03:10:33,719 --> 03:10:34,760 they can start building 4176 03:10:34,760 --> 03:10:38,479 homes I can't predict when the homes will be completed if 4177 03:10:38,479 --> 03:10:39,360 the economy stays 4178 03:10:39,360 --> 03:10:42,870 the way it is I wouldn't be surprised if it's built out in 4179 03:10:42,870 --> 03:10:44,319 two years. And then is 4180 03:10:44,319 --> 03:10:47,500 there a plan for the beginning of phase two? That's all up 4181 03:10:47,500 --> 03:10:49,079 to TexDOT until that 4182 03:10:49,079 --> 03:10:53,440 road gets taken care of so when you sell your right-of-way 4183 03:10:53,440 --> 03:10:54,680 to TexDOT we're 4184 03:10:54,680 --> 03:11:01,399 probably right behind you. Okay thank you both. Yes ma'am. 4185 03:11:01,399 --> 03:11:06,069 State your name and address for the record. My name is Man 4186 03:11:06,069 --> 03:11:07,520 al Omari I live in 4187 03:11:07,520 --> 03:11:15,079 201 Meduland which is here basically and we did not receive 4188 03:11:15,079 --> 03:11:16,520 a card about 4189 03:11:16,520 --> 03:11:23,479 anything. I don't know if we were exactly 200 or a little 4190 03:11:23,479 --> 03:11:24,479 bit more but we 4191 03:11:24,479 --> 03:11:29,139 didn't receive either 500 or 200 and I was worried about 4192 03:11:29,139 --> 03:11:30,520 the traffic because 4193 03:11:30,520 --> 03:11:35,329 where we our house is here so that big pile of dirt is 4194 03:11:35,329 --> 03:11:37,280 right here and that 4195 03:11:37,280 --> 03:11:41,000 means and there's nothing right now this is an empty space 4196 03:11:41,000 --> 03:11:42,280 so you can imagine 4197 03:11:42,280 --> 03:11:48,440 how it's gonna be from now on I'm just a little bit scared 4198 03:11:48,440 --> 03:11:49,719 about the amount of 4199 03:11:49,719 --> 03:11:54,670 traffic the amount of construction also all of a sudden the 4200 03:11:54,670 --> 03:11:56,079 value of our house 4201 03:11:56,079 --> 03:12:00,129 because our house is from those houses the big you know the 4202 03:12:00,129 --> 03:12:01,399 bigger houses so 4203 03:12:01,399 --> 03:12:04,639 how is that that new construction how is that gonna impact 4204 03:12:04,639 --> 03:12:05,879 the value of our house 4205 03:12:05,879 --> 03:12:09,690 in addition to the traffic and the construction some of 4206 03:12:09,690 --> 03:12:10,920 course the trees 4207 03:12:10,920 --> 03:12:14,100 all of them are gonna be gone and no empty space which is I 4208 03:12:14,100 --> 03:12:14,920 mean I know I 4209 03:12:14,920 --> 03:12:18,989 understand there will be no construction but is that gonna 4210 03:12:18,989 --> 03:12:20,479 impact our the value 4211 03:12:20,479 --> 03:12:23,290 of our houses because you know the value for all of those 4212 03:12:23,290 --> 03:12:24,239 houses they have 4213 03:12:24,239 --> 03:12:28,229 certain value so how is that gonna impact I can invite mr. 4214 03:12:28,229 --> 03:12:29,000 Allison up to speak 4215 03:12:29,000 --> 03:12:32,709 about the traffic flow for construction are they using 4216 03:12:32,709 --> 03:12:33,879 metal lands to access 4217 03:12:33,879 --> 03:12:36,649 construction and I don't know if you're an authority to 4218 03:12:36,649 --> 03:12:37,879 speak on property values 4219 03:12:37,879 --> 03:12:46,020 per se but if you have any insight to that when it comes to 4220 03:12:46,020 --> 03:12:47,920 traffic for 4221 03:12:47,920 --> 03:12:51,159 construction that traffic that's under Kent Keys control 4222 03:12:51,159 --> 03:12:52,639 will be coming off 4223 03:12:52,639 --> 03:12:55,399 Country Club Road primarily the traffic for the 4224 03:12:55,399 --> 03:12:56,879 construction of the subdivision 4225 03:12:56,879 --> 03:13:00,809 when it gets to the traffic for home construction these 4226 03:13:00,809 --> 03:13:01,799 streets will be 4227 03:13:01,799 --> 03:13:04,649 opened up so more likely they would come I keep pointing 4228 03:13:04,649 --> 03:13:06,000 with my finger I'm sorry 4229 03:13:06,000 --> 03:13:09,180 more likely they would come down Country Club Road because 4230 03:13:09,180 --> 03:13:10,000 that's going to be a 4231 03:13:10,000 --> 03:13:12,590 faster easier access instead of trying to be entered 4232 03:13:12,590 --> 03:13:13,959 through this development 4233 03:13:13,959 --> 03:13:16,790 but I can't say there wouldn't be a plumber or a roofer 4234 03:13:16,790 --> 03:13:17,879 somebody that might 4235 03:13:17,879 --> 03:13:20,750 come through here on the individual home constructions as 4236 03:13:20,750 --> 03:13:22,200 far as home values 4237 03:13:22,200 --> 03:13:25,379 we're looking at homes equal to or greater than these in 4238 03:13:25,379 --> 03:13:26,319 values I think the 4239 03:13:26,319 --> 03:13:31,299 comps would stay up if we were to go with an alternative 4240 03:13:31,299 --> 03:13:32,319 development that 4241 03:13:32,319 --> 03:13:34,909 could be allowed with the zoning with smaller homes the 4242 03:13:34,909 --> 03:13:35,959 comps would tend to go 4243 03:13:35,959 --> 03:13:39,360 down so I think what's being planned here will certainly 4244 03:13:39,360 --> 03:13:40,639 not hurt if possibly 4245 03:13:40,639 --> 03:13:44,270 help but that is the absolute limit of my expertise when it 4246 03:13:44,270 --> 03:13:45,399 comes to appraisals 4247 03:13:45,399 --> 03:13:52,629 thank you very much any other individuals want to speak on 4248 03:13:52,629 --> 03:13:54,920 this item 4249 03:13:57,600 --> 03:14:00,829 seeing none I will close the public hearing and open it for 4250 03:14:00,829 --> 03:14:02,399 discussion or 4251 03:14:02,399 --> 03:14:12,639 motion on the board commissioner Ellis I'm gonna make a 4252 03:14:12,639 --> 03:14:13,600 motion to approve with 4253 03:14:13,600 --> 03:14:16,979 just a couple comments thank you staff and Allison 4254 03:14:16,979 --> 03:14:18,760 engineering group for doing 4255 03:14:18,760 --> 03:14:21,280 great presentation it could have been a very complicated 4256 03:14:21,280 --> 03:14:22,399 subject and you made it 4257 03:14:22,399 --> 03:14:25,579 easy to assess and look into and understand exactly what we 4258 03:14:25,579 --> 03:14:26,360 're voting on 4259 03:14:26,360 --> 03:14:30,489 here today so thank you very much and with that I will move 4260 03:14:30,489 --> 03:14:31,079 to approve 4261 03:14:31,079 --> 03:14:39,940 Commissioner Sanchez I'd like to say you made a great 4262 03:14:39,940 --> 03:14:43,760 presentation I think it 4263 03:14:43,760 --> 03:14:46,940 helped a lot of people understand what was going on and 4264 03:14:46,940 --> 03:14:49,200 they're on the grounds 4265 03:14:49,200 --> 03:14:58,090 I'm gonna vote for it we are first in a second any 4266 03:14:58,090 --> 03:15:02,879 discussion yes Haley with the 4267 03:15:02,879 --> 03:15:09,559 four conditions okay thank you thank you Haley we have a 4268 03:15:09,559 --> 03:15:11,040 motion and a second to 4269 03:15:11,040 --> 03:15:14,719 approve with the four conditions seeing no discussion we'll 4270 03:15:14,719 --> 03:15:15,600 call for a vote on 4271 03:15:15,600 --> 03:15:28,139 the board the motion carries six zero with one absent that 4272 03:15:28,139 --> 03:15:29,360 'll move us to our 4273 03:15:29,360 --> 03:15:32,309 final hearing item for the evening thank you for everyone 4274 03:15:32,309 --> 03:15:33,559 waiting on that item I 4275 03:15:33,559 --> 03:15:37,540 know we have even a little kid waiting on us so we'll move 4276 03:15:37,540 --> 03:15:38,760 on with haste to 4277 03:15:38,760 --> 03:15:44,569 item 3d z 18 - 15 I'll open the public hearing and invite H 4278 03:15:44,569 --> 03:15:45,000 aley for 4279 03:15:45,000 --> 03:15:47,399 presentation 4280 03:15:56,239 --> 03:16:01,670 all right good evening this is case as the 1815 for Audra O 4281 03:16:01,670 --> 03:16:03,959 aks the request 4282 03:16:03,959 --> 03:16:07,239 before you is to hold public hearing and consider making a 4283 03:16:07,239 --> 03:16:07,920 recommendation to 4284 03:16:07,920 --> 03:16:10,389 council regarding a request for a rezoning from 4285 03:16:10,389 --> 03:16:11,760 neighborhood residential 4286 03:16:11,760 --> 03:16:15,079 two districts to neighborhood residential for the site you 4287 03:16:15,079 --> 03:16:15,520 can see 4288 03:16:15,520 --> 03:16:18,989 outlined in yellow is just over 13 acres located on the 4289 03:16:18,989 --> 03:16:20,120 south side of Audre 4290 03:16:20,120 --> 03:16:24,209 Lane just west of Barbara Lane again the current zoning on 4291 03:16:24,209 --> 03:16:25,479 the property you see 4292 03:16:25,479 --> 03:16:27,950 here on the left is a neighborhood residential - so that 4293 03:16:27,950 --> 03:16:28,600 would permit a 4294 03:16:28,600 --> 03:16:31,239 maximum of two dwelling units per acre on the right you can 4295 03:16:31,239 --> 03:16:32,040 see what the map 4296 03:16:32,040 --> 03:16:34,500 would look like with the proposed zoning of NR for which 4297 03:16:34,500 --> 03:16:35,360 would permit up to four 4298 03:16:35,360 --> 03:16:40,000 units per acre the applicant did preside it provide a 4299 03:16:40,000 --> 03:16:41,079 concept plan so although 4300 03:16:41,079 --> 03:16:43,129 the zoning wouldn't be tied to this it does give you an 4301 03:16:43,129 --> 03:16:44,159 idea of what they would 4302 03:16:44,159 --> 03:16:46,909 hope to develop on the property should the rezoning be 4303 03:16:46,909 --> 03:16:48,100 approved and I want to 4304 03:16:48,100 --> 03:16:50,569 point out that north is oriented to the left side of the 4305 03:16:50,569 --> 03:16:51,639 screen here the map 4306 03:16:51,639 --> 03:16:54,819 didn't fit very well oriented the other way so what you can 4307 03:16:54,819 --> 03:16:55,840 see here is Audre 4308 03:16:55,840 --> 03:16:58,540 Lane on the north side of the property they do intend to 4309 03:16:58,540 --> 03:16:59,479 extend Oak Valley 4310 03:16:59,479 --> 03:17:02,360 Street through the property up to Audre as well as have a 4311 03:17:02,360 --> 03:17:03,440 connection to another 4312 03:17:03,440 --> 03:17:06,620 future neighborhood that is currently under preliminary 4313 03:17:06,620 --> 03:17:07,840 platting adjoining 4314 03:17:07,840 --> 03:17:11,229 them to the west they do have as you can see outlined in 4315 03:17:11,229 --> 03:17:12,399 orange a number of 4316 03:17:12,399 --> 03:17:15,629 single-family homes proposed the out lots outlined in blue 4317 03:17:15,629 --> 03:17:16,479 would be proposed 4318 03:17:16,479 --> 03:17:19,200 for duplexes and then there is a sizable portion of the 4319 03:17:19,200 --> 03:17:20,399 property that would be 4320 03:17:20,399 --> 03:17:23,329 that is proposed to our Parks Department currently to be a 4321 03:17:23,329 --> 03:17:24,360 city park but could 4322 03:17:24,360 --> 03:17:27,350 also be HOA maintained green space if for some reason the 4323 03:17:27,350 --> 03:17:28,319 city is unable to 4324 03:17:28,319 --> 03:17:32,989 accept that park property the code does outline two 4325 03:17:32,989 --> 03:17:34,520 criteria for approval of a 4326 03:17:34,520 --> 03:17:37,319 rezoning the first being does it conform to the future land 4327 03:17:37,319 --> 03:17:38,159 use element of the 4328 03:17:38,159 --> 03:17:40,959 Denton plan 2030 and second being is there adequate 4329 03:17:40,959 --> 03:17:41,399 provision of 4330 03:17:41,399 --> 03:17:45,379 infrastructure so looking at that first component the 4331 03:17:45,379 --> 03:17:46,879 future land use designation 4332 03:17:46,879 --> 03:17:51,120 for this area is low residential the intent of these areas 4333 03:17:51,120 --> 03:17:51,680 is to have a 4334 03:17:51,680 --> 03:17:54,299 maximum of four dwelling units per acre but to also 4335 03:17:54,299 --> 03:17:55,680 accommodate a mixture of 4336 03:17:55,680 --> 03:17:59,120 housing types and housing prices and to respect the you 4337 03:17:59,120 --> 03:18:00,239 know the current 4338 03:18:00,239 --> 03:18:03,420 development patterns in the area in our four we did find to 4339 03:18:03,420 --> 03:18:04,440 be consistent with 4340 03:18:04,440 --> 03:18:07,850 this it primarily permits single-family homes duplexes are 4341 03:18:07,850 --> 03:18:08,680 permitted with a 4342 03:18:08,680 --> 03:18:11,309 limitation that will look at a little more closely in the 4343 03:18:11,309 --> 03:18:12,239 second and then it 4344 03:18:12,239 --> 03:18:15,069 does fit within that maximum and I apologize this last line 4345 03:18:15,069 --> 03:18:15,920 should say four 4346 03:18:15,920 --> 03:18:20,500 dwelling units per acre within NR for so looking a little 4347 03:18:20,500 --> 03:18:21,639 bit more about the 4348 03:18:21,639 --> 03:18:24,389 zoning compatibility there is existing in our four both to 4349 03:18:24,389 --> 03:18:25,200 the east and the 4350 03:18:25,200 --> 03:18:27,909 south of this this development so this would be a 4351 03:18:27,909 --> 03:18:29,680 continuation of that existing 4352 03:18:29,680 --> 03:18:32,629 zoning pattern and our four as I mentioned is not only 4353 03:18:32,629 --> 03:18:33,600 consistent with 4354 03:18:33,600 --> 03:18:36,069 the future land use plan but also with the existing 4355 03:18:36,069 --> 03:18:37,159 development pattern in this 4356 03:18:37,159 --> 03:18:40,840 area in terms of use and the scale of use that's permitted 4357 03:18:40,840 --> 03:18:42,200 so as I mentioned 4358 03:18:42,200 --> 03:18:45,379 single-family is permitted by right duplexes do have a 4359 03:18:45,379 --> 03:18:47,079 limitation that 4360 03:18:47,079 --> 03:18:50,440 limitation has several criteria the first being that the 4361 03:18:50,440 --> 03:18:51,479 lots containing 4362 03:18:51,479 --> 03:18:53,979 those duplexes not immediately about the perimeter of the 4363 03:18:53,979 --> 03:18:54,920 subdivision so as we 4364 03:18:54,920 --> 03:18:57,579 saw in the concept plan the park the single-family homes on 4365 03:18:57,579 --> 03:18:58,520 the south side and 4366 03:18:58,520 --> 03:19:01,489 then the alleyway on the west side would prevent that 4367 03:19:01,489 --> 03:19:02,840 immediate vicinity of 4368 03:19:02,840 --> 03:19:06,770 duplexes abutting single-family it also requires that each 4369 03:19:06,770 --> 03:19:07,879 duplex each half of 4370 03:19:07,879 --> 03:19:10,500 the unit be on a separately platted lot so that they can be 4371 03:19:10,500 --> 03:19:11,639 sold individually as 4372 03:19:11,639 --> 03:19:15,040 a single-family residence and then it also requires conform 4373 03:19:15,040 --> 03:19:15,760 ance with our 4374 03:19:15,760 --> 03:19:19,340 single-family design standards in sub chapter 13 so each du 4375 03:19:19,340 --> 03:19:20,719 plex is required to 4376 03:19:20,719 --> 03:19:25,940 appear from the street as one unit the second criteria as I 4377 03:19:25,940 --> 03:19:27,319 mentioned was the 4378 03:19:27,319 --> 03:19:30,649 provision of infrastructure so there is access to the site 4379 03:19:30,649 --> 03:19:32,000 provided off of Audre 4380 03:19:32,000 --> 03:19:35,450 as well as the possibility of this connection at Oak Valley 4381 03:19:35,450 --> 03:19:36,280 water and sewer 4382 03:19:36,280 --> 03:19:38,750 which you can see here in a blue and red on the map 4383 03:19:38,750 --> 03:19:40,360 respectively are available to 4384 03:19:40,360 --> 03:19:45,200 the site off of Audre Lane notification was sent regarding 4385 03:19:45,200 --> 03:19:46,280 this request through 4386 03:19:46,280 --> 03:19:48,750 all of the required means in the newspaper signs were 4387 03:19:48,750 --> 03:19:49,559 posted as well as 4388 03:19:49,559 --> 03:19:52,840 the postcards and the 200-foot mailings we did receive 4389 03:19:52,840 --> 03:19:54,559 several responses to this 4390 03:19:54,559 --> 03:19:57,399 as you can see here and as provided to you in your backup 4391 03:19:57,399 --> 03:19:58,639 the applicant did 4392 03:19:58,639 --> 03:20:01,159 hold a neighborhood meeting on September 4th at the Civic 4393 03:20:01,159 --> 03:20:01,879 Center there were 4394 03:20:01,879 --> 03:20:04,649 multiple neighbors in attendance at that meeting some of 4395 03:20:04,649 --> 03:20:06,079 the primary concerns I 4396 03:20:06,079 --> 03:20:09,049 heard were over traffic cutting through on Oak Valley up to 4397 03:20:09,049 --> 03:20:10,239 Audre as well as a 4398 03:20:10,239 --> 03:20:15,360 duplex as being a new use introduced to the area staff is 4399 03:20:15,360 --> 03:20:16,840 recommending approval 4400 03:20:16,840 --> 03:20:19,219 of this request because we found it to be consistent with 4401 03:20:19,219 --> 03:20:20,000 our two criteria for 4402 03:20:20,000 --> 03:20:25,110 approval and I'd be happy to stand for any questions I do 4403 03:20:25,110 --> 03:20:26,559 not see any questions 4404 03:20:26,559 --> 03:20:30,760 of us right now of you Haley thank you for the presentation 4405 03:20:30,760 --> 03:20:32,239 I believe the 4406 03:20:32,239 --> 03:20:38,799 applicant is here and also has a presentation perfect is 4407 03:20:38,799 --> 03:20:40,840 the applicant 4408 03:20:40,840 --> 03:20:46,920 Sean Faulkner correct if you just state your name and your 4409 03:20:46,920 --> 03:20:48,479 address you have 10 4410 03:20:48,479 --> 03:20:51,319 minutes to present I won't need that long thank you very 4411 03:20:51,319 --> 03:20:52,719 much my name is Sean 4412 03:20:52,719 --> 03:20:57,079 Faulkner I reside here in Denton at 2713 Bissonnette Drive 4413 03:20:57,079 --> 03:20:58,680 on the south side of 4414 03:20:58,680 --> 03:21:03,500 town and I'm here to you know talk about our proper our 4415 03:21:03,500 --> 03:21:05,479 project here in front of 4416 03:21:05,479 --> 03:21:09,219 you you see the results of our neighborhood mean that we 4417 03:21:09,219 --> 03:21:10,639 had most of 4418 03:21:10,639 --> 03:21:14,569 the concerns that we had probably number one was you know 4419 03:21:14,569 --> 03:21:15,180 parking along the 4420 03:21:15,180 --> 03:21:19,239 street and bail would get fire access through and I believe 4421 03:21:19,239 --> 03:21:20,360 the city back in 4422 03:21:20,360 --> 03:21:24,799 March revised the standard roadway standards to widen out 4423 03:21:24,799 --> 03:21:25,959 the street and we 4424 03:21:25,959 --> 03:21:29,889 are planning to you know have those standards in our 4425 03:21:29,889 --> 03:21:31,440 development to help 4426 03:21:31,440 --> 03:21:35,879 that of course we also want you know fire protection and 4427 03:21:35,879 --> 03:21:37,040 and and normal 4428 03:21:37,040 --> 03:21:41,569 traffic to flow by and not feel crunched another concern of 4429 03:21:41,569 --> 03:21:43,280 course with duplexes 4430 03:21:43,280 --> 03:21:47,809 is rental property right now it's the intent that you know 4431 03:21:47,809 --> 03:21:49,440 all the units will 4432 03:21:49,440 --> 03:21:52,760 be owner occupied I know there's a development further down 4433 03:21:52,760 --> 03:21:53,680 Audreau closer 4434 03:21:53,680 --> 03:21:59,120 to 88 that is considered duplex but is 100% rental that is 4435 03:21:59,120 --> 03:21:59,879 not what we're 4436 03:21:59,879 --> 03:22:03,840 looking to do matter of fact you know for the duplex units 4437 03:22:03,840 --> 03:22:04,520 we're looking at 4438 03:22:04,520 --> 03:22:08,319 starting prices for each unit to be you know around 230 to 4439 03:22:08,319 --> 03:22:09,479 140 thousand dollars 4440 03:22:09,479 --> 03:22:12,879 you know and that's per unit that's not for both of us that 4441 03:22:12,879 --> 03:22:15,239 's each side so we 4442 03:22:15,239 --> 03:22:17,709 know we're looking for a little bit higher class you know 4443 03:22:17,709 --> 03:22:18,319 development rather 4444 03:22:18,319 --> 03:22:22,430 than just rental property and then a lot of people really 4445 03:22:22,430 --> 03:22:23,799 can you know talk about 4446 03:22:23,799 --> 03:22:28,559 the open space park you know as Haley mentioned you know we 4447 03:22:28,559 --> 03:22:29,239 have approached the 4448 03:22:29,239 --> 03:22:32,600 Parks Department about you know dedicating those to them 4449 03:22:32,600 --> 03:22:32,879 they're 4450 03:22:32,879 --> 03:22:34,959 currently evaluating at our site and I believe there's 4451 03:22:34,959 --> 03:22:36,000 another site further down 4452 03:22:36,000 --> 03:22:38,780 at the east that they're also looking at of course we're 4453 03:22:38,780 --> 03:22:40,079 hoping that they'll take 4454 03:22:40,079 --> 03:22:43,510 our site because I think it'll be a great addition to this 4455 03:22:43,510 --> 03:22:44,399 side of town I 4456 03:22:44,399 --> 03:22:48,069 know the neighbors around there would definitely love a 4457 03:22:48,069 --> 03:22:50,959 park the trail master 4458 03:22:50,959 --> 03:22:55,879 plan does call for you know widen sidewalks to go up and 4459 03:22:55,879 --> 03:22:56,479 down Oak Valley 4460 03:22:56,479 --> 03:23:00,409 and across Audreau so they'll be provide great access not 4461 03:23:00,409 --> 03:23:02,040 only for our neighborhood 4462 03:23:02,040 --> 03:23:05,450 but the neighbors that we're connecting to to get to it and 4463 03:23:05,450 --> 03:23:07,479 then also minor 4464 03:23:07,479 --> 03:23:11,829 concern was you know our duplexes were concerning actually 4465 03:23:11,829 --> 03:23:12,680 we want them to be 4466 03:23:12,680 --> 03:23:16,739 rear entry because you do duplex lots you know all you'll 4467 03:23:16,739 --> 03:23:18,639 see is cars we want 4468 03:23:18,639 --> 03:23:22,030 to keep that front area as nice and neat as we possibly can 4469 03:23:22,030 --> 03:23:23,559 so we want to move you 4470 03:23:23,559 --> 03:23:26,739 know the cars back into the back and in that case you know 4471 03:23:26,739 --> 03:23:27,639 we'll have two car 4472 03:23:27,639 --> 03:23:31,090 garages you know providing you know the four spaces that's 4473 03:23:31,090 --> 03:23:32,479 required by the zoning 4474 03:23:32,479 --> 03:23:36,000 ordinance is one of the concerns was you know putting a 4475 03:23:36,000 --> 03:23:36,920 fence on the alley 4476 03:23:36,920 --> 03:23:40,149 especially you know on the park and you know we want that 4477 03:23:40,149 --> 03:23:41,360 to be oh feels open as 4478 03:23:41,360 --> 03:23:44,889 possible you know you know not only for our residents but 4479 03:23:44,889 --> 03:23:45,840 you know for other 4480 03:23:45,840 --> 03:23:51,430 neighbors as well you know just kind of go through some of 4481 03:23:51,430 --> 03:23:52,319 the you know 4482 03:23:52,319 --> 03:23:55,290 requirements of in our four go a little bit a little bit 4483 03:23:55,290 --> 03:23:56,479 further than what Haley 4484 03:23:56,479 --> 03:23:59,219 mentioned you know it's typically so 20 foot setback you 4485 03:23:59,219 --> 03:24:00,120 know we're planning on 4486 03:24:00,120 --> 03:24:05,069 meeting that requirement lot coverage we're limited to 60% 4487 03:24:05,069 --> 03:24:06,520 that includes the 4488 03:24:06,520 --> 03:24:10,120 house and driveway so we're not going to be filling up a 4489 03:24:10,120 --> 03:24:11,120 whole lot with with 4490 03:24:11,120 --> 03:24:14,559 house and concrete so we'll be you know meeting that 4491 03:24:14,559 --> 03:24:17,159 requirement again like Haley 4492 03:24:17,159 --> 03:24:20,479 said you know duplex lots you know can't but the property 4493 03:24:20,479 --> 03:24:22,360 lines we're gonna be 4494 03:24:22,360 --> 03:24:27,780 separating either by an open space or an alley to provide 4495 03:24:27,780 --> 03:24:30,159 that buffer and then 4496 03:24:30,159 --> 03:24:32,620 you know more than four units right now we're looking at 4497 03:24:32,620 --> 03:24:33,280 about three and a half 4498 03:24:33,280 --> 03:24:38,959 units so we're not even maxing out you know what we can you 4499 03:24:38,959 --> 03:24:40,239 know except parking 4500 03:24:40,239 --> 03:24:43,889 you know required to have four spaces right now we're gonna 4501 03:24:43,889 --> 03:24:44,680 have two car 4502 03:24:44,680 --> 03:24:49,659 garages and provide two in a driveway and then propose var 4503 03:24:49,659 --> 03:24:51,280 iances right now we 4504 03:24:51,280 --> 03:24:56,940 have no variances that we're proposing in the pre meeting H 4505 03:24:56,940 --> 03:24:57,959 aley mentioned that 4506 03:24:57,959 --> 03:24:59,879 you know we had some side constraints and you know why 4507 03:24:59,879 --> 03:25:00,920 weren't we developing 4508 03:25:00,920 --> 03:25:04,370 the park area well one of the biggest reasons is there's an 4509 03:25:04,370 --> 03:25:05,319 Explorer pipeline 4510 03:25:05,319 --> 03:25:08,600 that goes through the site it's an eight-inch high-pressure 4511 03:25:08,600 --> 03:25:09,399 line it's 4512 03:25:09,399 --> 03:25:12,319 currently inactive so there's no product being moved 4513 03:25:12,319 --> 03:25:13,799 through that right now but 4514 03:25:13,799 --> 03:25:17,170 again in order to cross that property with road or any 4515 03:25:17,170 --> 03:25:18,360 utility it's it's very 4516 03:25:18,360 --> 03:25:23,090 difficult and so of course we can't build you know any 4517 03:25:23,090 --> 03:25:23,959 houses or put lots 4518 03:25:23,959 --> 03:25:27,889 across that so you know this kind of impediment to that 4519 03:25:27,889 --> 03:25:29,319 another concern is 4520 03:25:29,319 --> 03:25:34,750 along our West line there's a 54 foot electric easement 4521 03:25:34,750 --> 03:25:36,079 that's been put in 4522 03:25:36,079 --> 03:25:38,549 place there's overhead power lines along there as well so 4523 03:25:38,549 --> 03:25:39,360 that's another 4524 03:25:39,360 --> 03:25:44,790 constraint that you know we have to deal with and there's 4525 03:25:44,790 --> 03:25:46,120 also underground 4526 03:25:46,120 --> 03:25:48,590 drainage pipe coming from the subdivision to the south that 4527 03:25:48,590 --> 03:25:49,239 cuts across our 4528 03:25:49,239 --> 03:25:52,420 property and ties into the system in Audra and from there 4529 03:25:52,420 --> 03:25:53,479 it goes north and 4530 03:25:53,479 --> 03:25:57,159 up to an open channel so that's another constraint so as 4531 03:25:57,159 --> 03:25:58,200 you can see on the East 4532 03:25:58,200 --> 03:26:02,920 side there's quite a bit of constraints that are you know 4533 03:26:02,920 --> 03:26:04,059 put impediments to 4534 03:26:04,059 --> 03:26:09,020 developing you know residential lots and of course you know 4535 03:26:09,020 --> 03:26:09,840 at the top we're 4536 03:26:09,840 --> 03:26:13,020 gonna have to you know do our part to improve Audra that's 4537 03:26:13,020 --> 03:26:14,319 not necessarily 4538 03:26:14,319 --> 03:26:17,209 an impediment but it's still a cause that we have to you 4539 03:26:17,209 --> 03:26:18,280 know bear with our 4540 03:26:18,280 --> 03:26:22,399 project and you know this is something what Haley you know 4541 03:26:22,399 --> 03:26:23,680 showed as well but 4542 03:26:23,680 --> 03:26:26,860 you know here's our street extensions that we're planning 4543 03:26:26,860 --> 03:26:28,879 on putting in our 4544 03:26:28,879 --> 03:26:31,829 single-family detached houses that we're planning on 4545 03:26:31,829 --> 03:26:34,280 putting in as well our duplex 4546 03:26:34,280 --> 03:26:37,959 again it's we're buffered I guess the adjacent 4547 03:26:37,959 --> 03:26:40,079 neighborhoods and again our 4548 03:26:40,079 --> 03:26:44,469 rear entry alleys that we put in to keep the streets cars 4549 03:26:44,469 --> 03:26:47,000 off the street and the 4550 03:26:47,000 --> 03:26:50,930 rest of the property we're putting an open space again we 4551 03:26:50,930 --> 03:26:52,040 hope that this you 4552 03:26:52,040 --> 03:26:56,120 know Parks Department will we'll see this as a benefit and 4553 03:26:56,120 --> 03:26:57,159 we'll be able to 4554 03:26:57,159 --> 03:27:02,590 dedicate this to the city for for park development now 4555 03:27:02,590 --> 03:27:04,319 these are some examples 4556 03:27:04,319 --> 03:27:08,290 of other projects that are in Denton some of them are 4557 03:27:08,290 --> 03:27:10,920 actually townhomes but 4558 03:27:10,920 --> 03:27:14,100 you know this is the kind of feel that we're getting on the 4559 03:27:14,100 --> 03:27:15,520 upper left this is 4560 03:27:15,520 --> 03:27:19,989 up in Discovery Park you can see you know it's rear entry 4561 03:27:19,989 --> 03:27:22,020 houses so the 4562 03:27:22,020 --> 03:27:26,069 fronts are kept nice and clean this is actually a new build 4563 03:27:26,069 --> 03:27:28,559 out there so that's 4564 03:27:28,559 --> 03:27:32,100 why it's still the grass is still you know trying to grow 4565 03:27:32,100 --> 03:27:33,680 in on the bottom and 4566 03:27:33,680 --> 03:27:37,959 on the upper right corner those are along poinsettia Drive 4567 03:27:37,959 --> 03:27:39,719 up up along at 4568 03:27:39,719 --> 03:27:44,329 288 a little bit further north you know these lawns are 4569 03:27:44,329 --> 03:27:46,840 very well maintained you 4570 03:27:46,840 --> 03:27:49,760 know we are going to have an HOA and we're even kicking the 4571 03:27:49,760 --> 03:27:50,440 idea of having 4572 03:27:50,440 --> 03:27:55,870 HOA maintain the front yards so they can stay as consistent 4573 03:27:55,870 --> 03:27:57,139 and a picture up 4574 03:27:57,139 --> 03:28:01,739 right that's a picture of the alley back on behind the po 4575 03:28:01,739 --> 03:28:03,799 insettia development again 4576 03:28:03,799 --> 03:28:07,530 kept nice and clean they even have power lines similar to 4577 03:28:07,530 --> 03:28:08,200 what we're going to 4578 03:28:08,200 --> 03:28:14,709 have going back there so with that I'm happy to answer any 4579 03:28:14,709 --> 03:28:15,360 questions that you 4580 03:28:15,360 --> 03:28:20,799 have we do have one question to mr. Beck thank you chair 4581 03:28:20,799 --> 03:28:22,040 thank you miss Sean 4582 03:28:22,040 --> 03:28:27,459 yes sir yeah thank you for your presentation so it appears 4583 03:28:27,459 --> 03:28:28,399 that all the 4584 03:28:28,399 --> 03:28:32,209 duplexes will have rear entry parking correct and single- 4585 03:28:32,209 --> 03:28:33,120 family homes will have 4586 03:28:33,120 --> 03:28:35,680 front entry park most of the single-family actually will 4587 03:28:35,680 --> 03:28:36,239 have rear end 4588 03:28:36,239 --> 03:28:39,440 I think we have one or two the way that the allies of work 4589 03:28:39,440 --> 03:28:40,319 okay that will be 4590 03:28:40,319 --> 03:28:43,959 front entry okay but it's you know we prefer to have them 4591 03:28:43,959 --> 03:28:45,600 all rear entry but 4592 03:28:45,600 --> 03:28:49,579 there's you know one or two out lots that may be difficult 4593 03:28:49,579 --> 03:28:50,479 to serve with an 4594 03:28:50,479 --> 03:28:55,360 out sure sure and I understand and I appreciate the fact 4595 03:28:55,360 --> 03:28:57,520 that I guess because 4596 03:28:57,520 --> 03:28:59,989 you're pricing these houses as high as you are that 4597 03:28:59,989 --> 03:29:01,120 hopefully they will be owner 4598 03:29:01,120 --> 03:29:04,770 occupied but you know once these are developed and on down 4599 03:29:04,770 --> 03:29:06,479 the road I mean 4600 03:29:06,479 --> 03:29:09,750 what's to prevent that duplex owner from renting out there 4601 03:29:09,750 --> 03:29:11,280 is yeah it's you know 4602 03:29:11,280 --> 03:29:17,120 it's it's you know I'm in my neighborhood myself you know 4603 03:29:17,120 --> 03:29:18,120 my 4604 03:29:18,120 --> 03:29:20,629 neighborhood I think right now it's about 15% of rental 4605 03:29:20,629 --> 03:29:21,840 properties it was an 4606 03:29:21,840 --> 03:29:24,299 old starter you know house community I was developed in the 4607 03:29:24,299 --> 03:29:26,120 late 90s and you 4608 03:29:26,120 --> 03:29:30,209 know I'm a 16 year 16 year resident of Denton so I've seen 4609 03:29:30,209 --> 03:29:31,399 a lot of development 4610 03:29:31,399 --> 03:29:35,229 come in you know there's not much that we can do you know 4611 03:29:35,229 --> 03:29:36,200 once someone buys the 4612 03:29:36,200 --> 03:29:39,090 property for them to turn into a rental I understand that 4613 03:29:39,090 --> 03:29:40,239 my concern and just my 4614 03:29:40,239 --> 03:29:47,399 feeling it's not an absolute but it seems like duplexes 4615 03:29:47,399 --> 03:29:49,479 tend to convert 4616 03:29:49,479 --> 03:29:53,680 easily more easily oh yes our property I did have one 4617 03:29:53,680 --> 03:29:55,479 discussion with a lady a 4618 03:29:55,479 --> 03:30:00,459 couple weeks ago she called up and she was a more mature 4619 03:30:00,459 --> 03:30:02,760 and she was looking at 4620 03:30:02,760 --> 03:30:06,340 buying one the units and having a younger relative you know 4621 03:30:06,340 --> 03:30:06,760 have the other 4622 03:30:06,760 --> 03:30:10,079 half so that way you know she could still have her 4623 03:30:10,079 --> 03:30:11,440 independence and and 4624 03:30:11,440 --> 03:30:15,200 freedom but still be close to family that would be ideal 4625 03:30:15,200 --> 03:30:15,840 yeah you know 4626 03:30:15,840 --> 03:30:19,020 typically what what we're predicting will happen is gonna 4627 03:30:19,020 --> 03:30:20,280 be empty nesters or 4628 03:30:20,280 --> 03:30:26,989 you know families just starting off let me going on to the 4629 03:30:26,989 --> 03:30:29,639 subject with the park 4630 03:30:29,639 --> 03:30:34,450 hopefully the city will pick it up correct me if I'm wrong 4631 03:30:34,450 --> 03:30:35,280 here if you're 4632 03:30:35,280 --> 03:30:39,700 gonna have essentially 47 residences will you be able to 4633 03:30:39,700 --> 03:30:41,799 have an HOA with fees 4634 03:30:41,799 --> 03:30:45,129 that can afford to sustain a park if you if that's forced 4635 03:30:45,129 --> 03:30:47,680 upon you well if if the 4636 03:30:47,680 --> 03:30:52,139 Park Department does not pick it up you'll be something you 4637 03:30:52,139 --> 03:30:53,280 know it with the 4638 03:30:53,280 --> 03:30:56,760 fees that are out there they'd be able to do made no 4639 03:30:56,760 --> 03:30:58,799 minimum maintenance probably 4640 03:30:58,799 --> 03:31:01,430 won't be you know any trails or anything like that put in 4641 03:31:01,430 --> 03:31:02,440 just a green space 4642 03:31:02,440 --> 03:31:06,579 yeah so you'll be mostly edge like it's a green space you 4643 03:31:06,579 --> 03:31:07,280 know if you go out 4644 03:31:07,280 --> 03:31:09,459 there now you'll see you know four wheeler tracks going 4645 03:31:09,459 --> 03:31:10,360 through there right 4646 03:31:10,360 --> 03:31:15,180 now you know that's stuff that you won't want in the future 4647 03:31:15,180 --> 03:31:16,159 and hopefully an HOA 4648 03:31:16,159 --> 03:31:20,379 will be able to enforce you know the non recreational 4649 03:31:20,379 --> 03:31:21,399 vehicles going back through 4650 03:31:21,399 --> 03:31:25,120 there okay one last thing the concern about traffic barre 4651 03:31:25,120 --> 03:31:25,799 ling through there 4652 03:31:25,799 --> 03:31:31,790 once you open up oak valley any chance I mean you're not 4653 03:31:31,790 --> 03:31:33,680 obligated to but any 4654 03:31:33,680 --> 03:31:37,040 chance to minimize that by maybe putting a couple of speed 4655 03:31:37,040 --> 03:31:38,280 bumps in there near 4656 03:31:38,280 --> 03:31:42,450 Audreau and down the word connects yes sir the 4657 03:31:42,450 --> 03:31:46,000 transportation code requires us 4658 03:31:46,000 --> 03:31:50,219 to put in traffic calming devices okay and so that was the 4659 03:31:50,219 --> 03:31:51,120 sense that we 4660 03:31:51,120 --> 03:31:55,069 definitely will be putting in okay good deal good deal 4661 03:31:55,069 --> 03:31:57,120 thank you sir thank you 4662 03:31:57,120 --> 03:31:59,879 mr. Faulkner we have no other questions right now thank you 4663 03:31:59,879 --> 03:32:00,440 we do have a couple 4664 03:32:00,440 --> 03:32:03,200 cards so we'll go through these but it isn't a public 4665 03:32:03,200 --> 03:32:04,440 hearing it is a public 4666 03:32:04,440 --> 03:32:07,829 hearing so anyone who wishes to be can the first card I 4667 03:32:07,829 --> 03:32:09,000 have here is John 4668 03:32:09,000 --> 03:32:11,760 Maxwell 4669 03:32:13,239 --> 03:32:17,770 so you just state your name and address okay John Maxwell I 4670 03:32:17,770 --> 03:32:20,040 live at 2807 Howard 4671 03:32:20,040 --> 03:32:29,100 Court I am just to the east of the subject property I don't 4672 03:32:29,100 --> 03:32:29,520 think there's a 4673 03:32:29,520 --> 03:32:36,610 pointer okay so I'm in this lot right here so I'm opposed 4674 03:32:36,610 --> 03:32:38,120 to the proposed 4675 03:32:38,120 --> 03:32:44,590 zoning based on the increased density I know the zoning has 4676 03:32:44,590 --> 03:32:45,840 been recently 4677 03:32:45,840 --> 03:32:52,260 changed to the properties to the West and I'd like to see a 4678 03:32:52,260 --> 03:32:54,040 better buffer a 4679 03:32:54,040 --> 03:33:00,530 better better transition between the high density and our 4680 03:33:00,530 --> 03:33:03,959 properties I think 4681 03:33:03,959 --> 03:33:09,389 the duplexes would not fit in with the existing 4682 03:33:09,389 --> 03:33:13,840 neighborhoods again you know 4683 03:33:13,840 --> 03:33:17,180 traffic I know that's going to be a big concern with the 4684 03:33:17,180 --> 03:33:18,600 higher density homes 4685 03:33:18,600 --> 03:33:22,659 that are going to be or apartments or whatever is going to 4686 03:33:22,659 --> 03:33:23,760 be going in along 4687 03:33:23,760 --> 03:33:33,059 Audra on to the west of this subject property see I have a 4688 03:33:33,059 --> 03:33:34,520 question regarding 4689 03:33:34,520 --> 03:33:40,129 the fences that would be put up on the east side of the du 4690 03:33:40,129 --> 03:33:42,000 plexes are they going 4691 03:33:42,000 --> 03:33:46,780 to be on the alley side or are they going to be right up 4692 03:33:46,780 --> 03:33:48,559 against the homes 4693 03:33:48,680 --> 03:33:51,860 yeah I'm concerned to speak to this but I want to make note 4694 03:33:51,860 --> 03:33:52,760 you want to provide 4695 03:33:52,760 --> 03:33:56,459 him an answer but the concept plan presented here has will 4696 03:33:56,459 --> 03:33:57,600 not be tied to 4697 03:33:57,600 --> 03:34:00,860 the approval of the rezoning okay so if if he has some 4698 03:34:00,860 --> 03:34:02,000 thoughts and then wants 4699 03:34:02,000 --> 03:34:04,559 to let you know about those we definitely want to provide 4700 03:34:04,559 --> 03:34:04,840 that 4701 03:34:04,840 --> 03:34:09,280 opportunity but it we're not holding him to this concept 4702 03:34:09,280 --> 03:34:10,520 plan okay it could 4703 03:34:10,520 --> 03:34:13,739 change he could not put duplexes there's a lot of things 4704 03:34:13,739 --> 03:34:15,040 that could happen once 4705 03:34:15,040 --> 03:34:17,750 we approve just the zoning aspect of it right he can 4706 03:34:17,750 --> 03:34:19,280 certainly talk about the 4707 03:34:19,280 --> 03:34:22,860 duplexes but I just want to ensure that we're not believing 4708 03:34:22,860 --> 03:34:24,000 that the concept 4709 03:34:24,000 --> 03:34:26,559 plan is gonna it's not what's being approved this evening 4710 03:34:26,559 --> 03:34:27,559 right I understand 4711 03:34:27,559 --> 03:34:31,079 that okay that's one of my concerns also is that you know I 4712 03:34:31,079 --> 03:34:32,840 understand this is 4713 03:34:32,840 --> 03:34:37,239 just a concept so he could come back and have more duplexes 4714 03:34:37,239 --> 03:34:38,959 that are shown on on 4715 03:34:38,959 --> 03:34:49,000 this concept plan potentially be tough yeah miss Fonder can 4716 03:34:49,000 --> 03:34:49,719 you talk about the 4717 03:34:49,719 --> 03:34:55,600 fencing you know typically with the duplex lot we won't 4718 03:34:55,600 --> 03:34:56,200 really have any 4719 03:34:56,200 --> 03:34:59,899 fencing along the backside of those houses there's just 4720 03:34:59,899 --> 03:35:01,000 tends to be not a 4721 03:35:01,000 --> 03:35:05,280 whole lot of space back there now in regards to you know 4722 03:35:05,280 --> 03:35:08,040 more duplexes you 4723 03:35:08,040 --> 03:35:11,239 know that's we're pretty much maxed out with this plan 4724 03:35:11,239 --> 03:35:12,799 considering where the gas 4725 03:35:12,799 --> 03:35:16,239 line is and stuff like that so we're not going to be 4726 03:35:16,239 --> 03:35:19,319 putting more in this you 4727 03:35:19,319 --> 03:35:21,790 know with a single you know we're still going with some 4728 03:35:21,790 --> 03:35:23,000 single families in there 4729 03:35:23,000 --> 03:35:26,750 you know to fill not only to fill the fire fulfill the city 4730 03:35:26,750 --> 03:35:28,440 requirements but 4731 03:35:28,440 --> 03:35:31,840 to provide little variety and not necessarily have all du 4732 03:35:31,840 --> 03:35:32,920 plexes you know 4733 03:35:32,920 --> 03:35:35,379 that's that's not what we're that's not what we're looking 4734 03:35:35,379 --> 03:35:36,280 to do you know I 4735 03:35:36,280 --> 03:35:38,870 guess you know repeat you know this developer is on this 4736 03:35:38,870 --> 03:35:39,879 land for over 10 4737 03:35:39,879 --> 03:35:43,479 years and now he built the houses along Barbara Street 4738 03:35:43,479 --> 03:35:44,920 which is on the other 4739 03:35:44,920 --> 03:35:47,790 side of this and you know as far as density we're looking 4740 03:35:47,790 --> 03:35:48,600 about three and 4741 03:35:48,600 --> 03:35:51,780 a half units to the acre you know other stuff you know and 4742 03:35:51,780 --> 03:35:52,360 hey we could probably 4743 03:35:52,360 --> 03:35:54,870 correct me if I'm wrong on this but the properties that 4744 03:35:54,870 --> 03:35:56,000 recently got developed 4745 03:35:56,000 --> 03:35:59,430 you know zone to the west of us there you know four to four 4746 03:35:59,430 --> 03:36:00,479 and a half units 4747 03:36:00,479 --> 03:36:04,409 to the acre and other developments there you know four to 4748 03:36:04,409 --> 03:36:04,840 four and a half 4749 03:36:04,840 --> 03:36:08,440 themselves so we're you know we're at three and a half 4750 03:36:08,440 --> 03:36:11,440 maximum so we're you 4751 03:36:11,440 --> 03:36:15,479 know we're not maxing out what we can do with it within our 4752 03:36:15,479 --> 03:36:16,840 foreign district 4753 03:36:17,360 --> 03:36:20,629 okay that's all the questions I have thank you thank you 4754 03:36:20,629 --> 03:36:21,479 very much mr. Roswell 4755 03:36:21,479 --> 03:36:26,840 the other card I have here is for Jay leak 4756 03:36:28,879 --> 03:36:31,340 so you just state your name and address my name is Jay leak 4757 03:36:31,340 --> 03:36:33,399 I live at 1216 Oak 4758 03:36:33,399 --> 03:36:39,969 Valley which right around there so I was just gonna say 4759 03:36:39,969 --> 03:36:41,799 simply I've lived in 4760 03:36:41,799 --> 03:36:46,879 Denton for 23 years I own my home we've lived in the home 4761 03:36:46,879 --> 03:36:49,879 for 21 years I don't 4762 03:36:49,879 --> 03:36:53,059 own the field to the north of us I've enjoyed it I've 4763 03:36:53,059 --> 03:36:54,479 enjoyed the blackberries 4764 03:36:54,479 --> 03:36:58,719 I told mr. Johnson every spring there's frogs there because 4765 03:36:58,719 --> 03:36:59,639 it's on a flood 4766 03:36:59,639 --> 03:37:02,170 plain I knew when I moved in there we live we're moving 4767 03:37:02,170 --> 03:37:03,280 into a hundred-year 4768 03:37:03,280 --> 03:37:06,639 floodplain there's been issues with storm drainage I have a 4769 03:37:06,639 --> 03:37:07,440 storm drain that 4770 03:37:07,440 --> 03:37:13,659 runs along my property and then up this way that's not 4771 03:37:13,659 --> 03:37:15,440 really a creek where the 4772 03:37:15,440 --> 03:37:19,190 tree line is and I know we're talking we're not talking 4773 03:37:19,190 --> 03:37:20,399 about drainage but if 4774 03:37:20,399 --> 03:37:24,329 I had my choice I would say can you put put homes there 4775 03:37:24,329 --> 03:37:26,360 versus duplexes I I 4776 03:37:26,360 --> 03:37:29,329 travel around Dent a little bit and I know there's duplexes 4777 03:37:29,329 --> 03:37:30,079 other places I 4778 03:37:30,079 --> 03:37:33,690 would rather see homes it's going to devalue our property 4779 03:37:33,690 --> 03:37:35,479 to the south they've 4780 03:37:35,479 --> 03:37:38,659 recently it's not on this map but they've recently built 4781 03:37:38,659 --> 03:37:39,760 successful homes 4782 03:37:39,760 --> 03:37:42,940 to the south a whole new subdivision where there was a 4783 03:37:42,940 --> 03:37:43,959 field when we moved 4784 03:37:43,959 --> 03:37:48,549 there Bobcats have come and gone coyotes are leaving like I 4785 03:37:48,549 --> 03:37:50,079 said I know it's it's 4786 03:37:50,079 --> 03:37:52,159 only a matter of time before that's all developed the 4787 03:37:52,159 --> 03:37:53,479 horses are gone but if I 4788 03:37:53,479 --> 03:37:57,059 had my choice I would say leave it zoned like it originally 4789 03:37:57,059 --> 03:37:58,559 was instead of 4790 03:37:58,559 --> 03:38:02,610 switching it over and saying let's put one and a half times 4791 03:38:02,610 --> 03:38:03,719 to two times as 4792 03:38:03,719 --> 03:38:07,959 many and that's that's pretty much all I had so I 4793 03:38:07,959 --> 03:38:08,920 appreciate I talked to mr. 4794 03:38:08,920 --> 03:38:12,530 Johnson he talked about the park which is although that's 4795 03:38:12,530 --> 03:38:13,639 nice that's a pig and 4796 03:38:13,639 --> 03:38:16,350 a poke because number one I didn't sounds like you're not 4797 03:38:16,350 --> 03:38:17,280 allowed to build 4798 03:38:17,280 --> 03:38:20,229 homes on top of the gas line anyway so we can call it a 4799 03:38:20,229 --> 03:38:21,520 park or we can call it 4800 03:38:21,520 --> 03:38:25,600 a field the advantage for me is going to be there's not 4801 03:38:25,600 --> 03:38:27,280 gonna be any meth heads 4802 03:38:27,280 --> 03:38:31,559 camping to 200 yards or a hundred yards from my house which 4803 03:38:31,559 --> 03:38:32,360 we've had problems 4804 03:38:32,360 --> 03:38:35,940 with that some area named the motorcycle tracks and stuff 4805 03:38:35,940 --> 03:38:37,600 like that but I you 4806 03:38:37,600 --> 03:38:40,190 know I don't have any problems seeing developed but if I 4807 03:38:40,190 --> 03:38:41,879 had a choice and I 4808 03:38:41,879 --> 03:38:45,059 had say any say I would say please leave it zone for single 4809 03:38:45,059 --> 03:38:47,520 residences so or and 4810 03:38:47,520 --> 03:38:51,500 I don't know what all the codes are but I'm opposed to the 4811 03:38:51,500 --> 03:38:52,799 new plan so yeah I 4812 03:38:52,799 --> 03:38:55,639 appreciate you coming out and your family staying up late 4813 03:38:55,639 --> 03:38:57,639 it's impactful I 4814 03:38:57,639 --> 03:39:01,329 will say I'm hoping that this if this goes through the city 4815 03:39:01,329 --> 03:39:02,399 takes it over so 4816 03:39:02,399 --> 03:39:05,579 it's not a field it actually can be groomed and sidewalks 4817 03:39:05,579 --> 03:39:06,319 and actually 4818 03:39:06,319 --> 03:39:09,520 become a legit part about the development because we're not 4819 03:39:09,520 --> 03:39:09,799 approving 4820 03:39:09,799 --> 03:39:12,600 that tonight there's going to be other opportunities to 4821 03:39:12,600 --> 03:39:13,879 speak into the plotting 4822 03:39:13,879 --> 03:39:18,329 and the development process so we'd certainly hear it the 4823 03:39:18,329 --> 03:39:18,920 developers 4824 03:39:18,920 --> 03:39:21,639 obviously hearing your feedback but there is still 4825 03:39:21,639 --> 03:39:23,040 iterations to come forward 4826 03:39:23,040 --> 03:39:25,680 to see what's most economical for the developer it could be 4827 03:39:25,680 --> 03:39:26,479 homes going 4828 03:39:26,479 --> 03:39:30,760 forward so that that's not a dead end yet to see what what 4829 03:39:30,760 --> 03:39:31,600 gets developed there 4830 03:39:31,600 --> 03:39:35,010 so just I would say stay tuned in terms of the our agendas 4831 03:39:35,010 --> 03:39:36,600 coming back and then 4832 03:39:36,600 --> 03:39:41,360 come back and speak to those plans you're more than welcome 4833 03:39:41,360 --> 03:39:42,000 to come down if 4834 03:39:42,000 --> 03:39:44,360 able 4835 03:39:54,520 --> 03:40:00,159 and I live at 2409 whispering Oaks and that street is 4836 03:40:00,159 --> 03:40:01,920 parallel to what where 4837 03:40:01,920 --> 03:40:06,180 you will be developing and right before the that your 4838 03:40:06,180 --> 03:40:08,680 property is so how much 4839 03:40:08,680 --> 03:40:13,600 distance will there be between my street my house and my 4840 03:40:13,600 --> 03:40:14,959 fence and your 4841 03:40:14,959 --> 03:40:19,680 development I've just wondered in what kind of division 4842 03:40:19,680 --> 03:40:21,719 will there be a 4843 03:40:21,719 --> 03:40:24,899 whether be a street there can Haley can you speak to that 4844 03:40:24,899 --> 03:40:25,840 because we won't know 4845 03:40:25,840 --> 03:40:28,530 what's being developed there but you can speak to any buff 4846 03:40:28,530 --> 03:40:29,520 ering that would be 4847 03:40:29,520 --> 03:40:32,329 required or if it just could be a house behind there can 4848 03:40:32,329 --> 03:40:34,479 you speak to what 4849 03:40:34,479 --> 03:40:40,069 potentially could border an NR for to an NR for 4850 03:40:40,069 --> 03:40:43,120 neighborhood certainly so a 4851 03:40:43,120 --> 03:40:46,590 whispering Oaks is here just south of the property so you 4852 03:40:46,590 --> 03:40:47,840 would have this 4853 03:40:47,840 --> 03:40:51,280 existing line of homes in between as well as there would be 4854 03:40:51,280 --> 03:40:52,200 potentially a 4855 03:40:52,200 --> 03:40:54,700 single-family home or an alley directly budding that 4856 03:40:54,700 --> 03:40:55,659 property and there 4857 03:40:55,659 --> 03:40:58,319 wouldn't be any landscape buffer requirements between 4858 03:40:58,319 --> 03:40:59,040 single-family 4859 03:40:59,040 --> 03:41:06,979 zoning so the park would be here on the east side of the 4860 03:41:06,979 --> 03:41:09,479 property so the homes 4861 03:41:09,479 --> 03:41:15,290 would be clustered in this area this is currently zoned for 4862 03:41:15,290 --> 03:41:16,020 single-family and 4863 03:41:16,020 --> 03:41:19,319 there's a flat under review by the city for single-family 4864 03:41:19,319 --> 03:41:21,879 homes on that property 4865 03:41:25,200 --> 03:41:31,670 Commissioner for netta and her concern based on what I'm 4866 03:41:31,670 --> 03:41:32,239 looking at we're 4867 03:41:32,239 --> 03:41:36,049 planning on zoning to match where her home actually is 4868 03:41:36,049 --> 03:41:37,760 right now right going to 4869 03:41:37,760 --> 03:41:40,219 enter for she's there only in it you're currently in an NR 4870 03:41:40,219 --> 03:41:41,040 for so basically the 4871 03:41:41,040 --> 03:41:44,219 the outline would potentially be you know pretty much 4872 03:41:44,219 --> 03:41:45,559 matching what you already 4873 03:41:45,559 --> 03:41:48,399 where you already living 4874 03:41:53,040 --> 03:41:57,120 is there anyone else who wish to speak yes ma'am 4875 03:42:00,680 --> 03:42:06,110 if you just state your name and address for the record my 4876 03:42:06,110 --> 03:42:13,360 name is Nancy Carson I 4877 03:42:13,360 --> 03:42:23,319 live at 2908 Oakshire I am within the 500 mile 500 feet 4878 03:42:23,319 --> 03:42:24,639 neighborhood from 4879 03:42:24,639 --> 03:42:32,149 this new development I'm very much against having duplexes 4880 03:42:32,149 --> 03:42:33,280 in the area due 4881 03:42:33,280 --> 03:42:37,479 to what we've seen with those that are already there 4882 03:42:37,479 --> 03:42:40,559 although they are planning 4883 03:42:40,559 --> 03:42:46,149 they say to put rear entry garages that's still not 4884 03:42:46,149 --> 03:42:48,399 necessarily going to 4885 03:42:48,399 --> 03:42:51,989 keep people from parking on the streets I mean I live on 4886 03:42:51,989 --> 03:42:54,559 Oakshire cars are all up 4887 03:42:54,559 --> 03:42:57,920 and down the street you don't stop that because you've got 4888 03:42:57,920 --> 03:42:59,000 a garage or you've 4889 03:42:59,000 --> 03:43:06,239 got a driveway also I would like to know what size these 4890 03:43:06,239 --> 03:43:10,280 lots are going to be 4891 03:43:10,280 --> 03:43:14,239 that the duplexes will be out 4892 03:43:18,200 --> 03:43:22,840 right now yes we're still at the conceptual stage you know 4893 03:43:22,840 --> 03:43:23,360 well you know 4894 03:43:23,360 --> 03:43:27,559 for duplex so for one building well so the two lots 4895 03:43:27,559 --> 03:43:29,479 combined we're looking you 4896 03:43:29,479 --> 03:43:33,639 know between 60 to 70 feet wide typically some of them are 4897 03:43:33,639 --> 03:43:34,159 will be 4898 03:43:34,159 --> 03:43:41,149 wider some losses if you remember the concept plan you know 4899 03:43:41,149 --> 03:43:42,719 on those on the 4900 03:43:42,719 --> 03:43:46,809 south end they get extremely deep matter of fact you know 4901 03:43:46,809 --> 03:43:47,360 we're even talking 4902 03:43:47,360 --> 03:43:50,540 about having some detached garages from there just prevent 4903 03:43:50,540 --> 03:43:51,520 you know the driveways 4904 03:43:51,520 --> 03:43:54,879 from being so long and to provide those you know people 4905 03:43:54,879 --> 03:43:56,159 with backyards that 4906 03:43:56,159 --> 03:43:59,559 they'll be able to use well you must have figured something 4907 03:43:59,559 --> 03:44:00,239 when you drew this 4908 03:44:00,239 --> 03:44:09,100 out yeah they're typically I think I put them in about 120 4909 03:44:09,100 --> 03:44:10,159 feet deep you know 4910 03:44:10,159 --> 03:44:12,989 yeah you know we're all going to be able to you know cover 4911 03:44:12,989 --> 03:44:14,719 60% of a lot so it's 4912 03:44:14,719 --> 03:44:18,819 still gonna be a lot of green space you know on the lot you 4913 03:44:18,819 --> 03:44:21,200 know from from what 4914 03:44:21,200 --> 03:44:24,809 will be able to build out what do you mean you can only 4915 03:44:24,809 --> 03:44:25,680 cover 60% of the lot 4916 03:44:25,680 --> 03:44:30,510 are you talking the whole area on each lot each lot will 4917 03:44:30,510 --> 03:44:32,040 only be able to cover 4918 03:44:32,040 --> 03:44:36,180 60% of a lot with either building or driveway so if you 4919 03:44:36,180 --> 03:44:37,079 combine those 4920 03:44:37,079 --> 03:44:41,040 together so you know 40% a lot will still be you know 4921 03:44:41,040 --> 03:44:43,760 landscape area so 4922 03:44:43,760 --> 03:44:46,250 there's still be you know good bit of landscape area on 4923 03:44:46,250 --> 03:44:47,879 each lot well also 4924 03:44:47,879 --> 03:44:53,469 thank you for answering that I would like to say that 4925 03:44:53,469 --> 03:44:55,639 builders are going to 4926 03:44:55,639 --> 03:45:00,159 have absolutely no control over whether the owner is an 4927 03:45:00,159 --> 03:45:02,600 occupant or not I live 4928 03:45:02,600 --> 03:45:09,899 in a over 1800 square foot home and each side of the houses 4929 03:45:09,899 --> 03:45:11,680 on each side of me 4930 03:45:11,680 --> 03:45:18,629 are rented in fact five houses on my side of the street out 4931 03:45:18,629 --> 03:45:20,239 of the five three 4932 03:45:20,239 --> 03:45:26,590 are rentals and one of them on one side of the street an 4933 03:45:26,590 --> 03:45:29,440 investor came in from 4934 03:45:29,440 --> 03:45:35,250 San Francisco and he bought that house and I heard many 4935 03:45:35,250 --> 03:45:37,440 others here in the city 4936 03:45:37,440 --> 03:45:42,559 and he never sees how those people live or they let their 4937 03:45:42,559 --> 03:45:44,200 grass grow up knee-deep 4938 03:45:44,200 --> 03:45:49,620 or you know just all kinds of things very undesirable so 4939 03:45:49,620 --> 03:45:51,479 you really have no 4940 03:45:51,479 --> 03:45:57,069 control over that so I understand and and just as a point 4941 03:45:57,069 --> 03:45:58,719 because the concept 4942 03:45:58,719 --> 03:46:02,680 plan is not something we're being tied to in our four 4943 03:46:02,680 --> 03:46:04,680 allows for a density of 4944 03:46:04,680 --> 03:46:08,379 up to four units per acre so if we look more holistically 4945 03:46:08,379 --> 03:46:10,000 about what potentially 4946 03:46:10,000 --> 03:46:13,180 could be done after a rezone it'd be up to four units per 4947 03:46:13,180 --> 03:46:14,520 acre across the entire 4948 03:46:14,520 --> 03:46:23,379 plot does anyone else want to speak on this item yes and if 4949 03:46:23,379 --> 03:46:27,319 you just state your 4950 03:46:27,319 --> 03:46:34,030 name and address for the record Linda Bleece I live at 2805 4951 03:46:34,030 --> 03:46:35,600 Howard Court 4952 03:46:35,600 --> 03:46:43,989 Denton Texas I had no idea to speak but I am what we are 4953 03:46:43,989 --> 03:46:47,200 trying to dis discern is 4954 03:46:47,200 --> 03:46:54,920 to whether for to rezone it from a and and our two to a 4955 03:46:54,920 --> 03:46:58,600 four yes ma'am I'm opposed to that I would not be opposed 4956 03:46:58,600 --> 03:47:04,959 so much as to family single-family dwelling but I am 4957 03:47:04,959 --> 03:47:13,920 concerned over them more in a smaller space and the I was 4958 03:47:13,920 --> 03:47:19,030 told when we bought our house 14 15 years ago that we were 4959 03:47:19,030 --> 03:47:21,120 in a floodplain and 4960 03:47:21,120 --> 03:47:25,879 because of that pipeline or something that was behind us 4961 03:47:25,879 --> 03:47:27,719 that they wouldn't be 4962 03:47:27,719 --> 03:47:33,979 building there and now they're building or want to I our 4963 03:47:33,979 --> 03:47:37,639 house is is very low 4964 03:47:37,639 --> 03:47:44,209 and when it rains I have never we have never been flooded 4965 03:47:44,209 --> 03:47:45,840 but it goes out our 4966 03:47:45,840 --> 03:47:50,360 backyard and all the way down I'm sure where it goes I don 4967 03:47:50,360 --> 03:47:51,319 't know because I 4968 03:47:51,319 --> 03:47:55,909 don't go and look for it but anyway I I really hope that 4969 03:47:55,909 --> 03:47:57,040 you take into 4970 03:47:57,040 --> 03:48:01,770 consideration to leave it at - thank you appreciate that we 4971 03:48:01,770 --> 03:48:02,959 have one question for 4972 03:48:02,959 --> 03:48:08,329 you Mr. Beck thank you chair and miss please is it thank 4973 03:48:08,329 --> 03:48:09,319 you for coming up and 4974 03:48:09,319 --> 03:48:14,739 speaking you were opposed to changing this from an NR two 4975 03:48:14,739 --> 03:48:15,840 to an NR four but 4976 03:48:15,840 --> 03:48:23,350 are you aware that Howard Court is an NR four district it 4977 03:48:23,350 --> 03:48:26,360 is so it's gonna be 4978 03:48:26,360 --> 03:48:31,950 similar in size what's the difference and the term concern 4979 03:48:31,950 --> 03:48:33,360 everybody has is 4980 03:48:33,360 --> 03:48:43,319 the duplex thing but the sizes are gonna be the same but I 4981 03:48:43,319 --> 03:48:45,959 think I would I would 4982 03:48:45,959 --> 03:48:51,379 not be opposed to it coming in the back single-family and I 4983 03:48:51,379 --> 03:48:52,840 understand it as to 4984 03:48:52,840 --> 03:48:55,430 the drainage and I can't speak to this with any great 4985 03:48:55,430 --> 03:48:56,399 authority but any 4986 03:48:56,399 --> 03:49:00,110 development and development come in that comes in you know 4987 03:49:00,110 --> 03:49:01,760 the city they have to 4988 03:49:01,760 --> 03:49:04,459 make sure that they're not negatively impacting your 4989 03:49:04,459 --> 03:49:05,920 property so actually 4990 03:49:05,920 --> 03:49:08,870 drainage could conceivably improve when they get through 4991 03:49:08,870 --> 03:49:10,159 with their development 4992 03:49:10,159 --> 03:49:14,840 or if you were experiencing some minor flooding 4993 03:49:16,840 --> 03:49:22,909 thank you thank you the system I see okay thank you we had 4994 03:49:22,909 --> 03:49:27,000 one here first and 4995 03:49:30,959 --> 03:49:36,549 serve you to state your name and address good evening my 4996 03:49:36,549 --> 03:49:37,120 name is Charlie 4997 03:49:37,120 --> 03:49:42,930 Rosendahl live at 1001 Barbara Street I'm opposed to the 4998 03:49:42,930 --> 03:49:44,559 rezoning I understand 4999 03:49:44,559 --> 03:49:50,149 that the concept plan is has been presented and today we're 5000 03:49:50,149 --> 03:49:50,520 just talking 5001 03:49:50,520 --> 03:49:54,250 about the zoning but once the zoning is changed they would 5002 03:49:54,250 --> 03:49:55,440 be allowed to build 5003 03:49:55,440 --> 03:49:58,620 duplexes in that property and there wouldn't be anything we 5004 03:49:58,620 --> 03:49:59,200 could do at that 5005 03:49:59,200 --> 03:50:05,299 point I will say here there was a question earlier at the 5006 03:50:05,299 --> 03:50:05,799 work session 5007 03:50:05,799 --> 03:50:10,920 about are there any duplexes in the area there's one street 5008 03:50:10,920 --> 03:50:12,799 of duplexes here and 5009 03:50:12,799 --> 03:50:17,239 then there's a row of duplexes here and in the entire map 5010 03:50:17,239 --> 03:50:18,079 that's the only 5011 03:50:18,079 --> 03:50:24,209 duplexes that I believe are in this this whole area as far 5012 03:50:24,209 --> 03:50:25,479 as the rental 5013 03:50:25,479 --> 03:50:29,850 properties that one row of duplexes here is a majority 5014 03:50:29,850 --> 03:50:32,559 rental properties so I 5015 03:50:32,559 --> 03:50:36,280 think it's conceivable to to assume that that would happen 5016 03:50:36,280 --> 03:50:38,680 once this the duplexes 5017 03:50:38,680 --> 03:50:45,250 are allowed to be built here also there is the NR6 zoning 5018 03:50:45,250 --> 03:50:46,319 that we've talked 5019 03:50:46,319 --> 03:50:50,530 about that was approved to the West here I believe council 5020 03:50:50,530 --> 03:50:52,079 set the precedent in 5021 03:50:52,079 --> 03:50:54,899 December when they approved that in our six zoning by 5022 03:50:54,899 --> 03:50:56,100 allowing only single 5023 03:50:56,100 --> 03:51:00,110 families in there and I think that this this body should 5024 03:51:00,110 --> 03:51:01,760 abide by that precedent 5025 03:51:01,760 --> 03:51:05,239 said not even a year ago that if you do allow the increase 5026 03:51:05,239 --> 03:51:06,280 in densities it 5027 03:51:06,280 --> 03:51:11,399 should be under the condition that it only be single-family 5028 03:51:11,399 --> 03:51:15,120 homes I appreciate 5029 03:51:15,120 --> 03:51:17,319 that 5030 03:51:20,440 --> 03:51:27,010 yes mr. Walker one thing I would like to point out doesn't 5031 03:51:27,010 --> 03:51:27,959 quite reach up here 5032 03:51:27,959 --> 03:51:31,250 but I just want to point out you know that you know there's 5033 03:51:31,250 --> 03:51:32,319 other areas in the 5034 03:51:32,319 --> 03:51:36,959 city like up here it's in our mixed use 12 this is you know 5035 03:51:36,959 --> 03:51:38,040 currently apartments 5036 03:51:38,040 --> 03:51:43,420 this is undeveloped is also in our you me you 12 these are 5037 03:51:43,420 --> 03:51:44,319 you know properties 5038 03:51:44,319 --> 03:51:48,250 in the area that currently could be developed as multif 5039 03:51:48,250 --> 03:51:49,840 amily without any 5040 03:51:49,840 --> 03:51:53,600 zoning change I appreciate that because you're all said you 5041 03:51:53,600 --> 03:51:54,159 want to speak and 5042 03:51:54,159 --> 03:51:57,129 then I was gonna recognize thank you chair mr. Faulkner my 5043 03:51:57,129 --> 03:51:57,760 questions for you 5044 03:51:57,760 --> 03:52:00,940 actually just wondering if you looked in the feasibility of 5045 03:52:00,940 --> 03:52:02,040 developing this with 5046 03:52:02,040 --> 03:52:05,840 all single-family homes or garden style homes even yes we 5047 03:52:05,840 --> 03:52:08,159 have and you know the 5048 03:52:08,159 --> 03:52:12,969 amount of loss that we were able to get does not meet our 5049 03:52:12,969 --> 03:52:15,360 financial needs I hate 5050 03:52:15,360 --> 03:52:21,319 to be talk about money but that's what it's all about the 5051 03:52:21,319 --> 03:52:21,840 amount of loss that 5052 03:52:21,840 --> 03:52:25,040 we will have does not make the project economically 5053 03:52:25,040 --> 03:52:27,360 feasible 5054 03:52:33,000 --> 03:52:37,260 sir if you just state your name and you need to fill out a 5055 03:52:37,260 --> 03:52:40,440 new card for this 5056 03:52:40,440 --> 03:52:45,879 agenda item again it's Bob highly and I live at 3855 Le 5057 03:52:45,879 --> 03:52:47,920 isure Lane I live on the 5058 03:52:47,920 --> 03:52:50,909 other side of town but I have a dear friend that lives on 5059 03:52:50,909 --> 03:52:52,000 barber Street who 5060 03:52:52,000 --> 03:52:55,930 can't get out and she asked me since I was coming to look 5061 03:52:55,930 --> 03:52:57,479 out for it but Michael 5062 03:52:57,479 --> 03:53:02,299 my question is if the city takes over a big chunk of that 5063 03:53:02,299 --> 03:53:06,120 property as City Park 5064 03:53:06,120 --> 03:53:09,799 that you were mentioning on the east side which is directly 5065 03:53:09,799 --> 03:53:10,920 behind our house 5066 03:53:10,920 --> 03:53:17,079 which would be great but how does that figure into the are 5067 03:53:17,079 --> 03:53:20,200 the are for is the 5068 03:53:20,200 --> 03:53:24,860 track then reduced by the park line from separated from the 5069 03:53:24,860 --> 03:53:26,360 parkland which would 5070 03:53:26,360 --> 03:53:31,950 then mean that the actual density would would be less one 5071 03:53:31,950 --> 03:53:33,920 the remaining property 5072 03:53:33,920 --> 03:53:36,809 I'll ask Haley for clarification but I assume they can use 5073 03:53:36,809 --> 03:53:37,719 that as a density 5074 03:53:37,719 --> 03:53:44,780 credit certainly since it would all be platted together the 5075 03:53:44,780 --> 03:53:46,079 entire 13 and a 5076 03:53:46,079 --> 03:53:49,260 half acres would count for their density but it would be 5077 03:53:49,260 --> 03:53:50,520 subdivided in the park 5078 03:53:50,520 --> 03:53:53,889 would be dedicated as a separate lot to the city after that 5079 03:53:53,889 --> 03:53:55,079 point but they they 5080 03:53:55,079 --> 03:53:59,010 could get credit for that density does that answer your 5081 03:53:59,010 --> 03:54:03,959 question yes well it's 5082 03:54:03,959 --> 03:54:06,489 not being proposed but it could happen is actually greater 5083 03:54:06,489 --> 03:54:07,479 than four per acre 5084 03:54:07,479 --> 03:54:12,120 that's Chris yeah it would it would be any ways when you 5085 03:54:12,120 --> 03:54:12,600 take in road 5086 03:54:12,600 --> 03:54:15,959 consideration so any property it varies once you take road 5087 03:54:15,959 --> 03:54:17,719 any tree mitigation 5088 03:54:17,719 --> 03:54:21,690 any of that that provides density credit so it's not 5089 03:54:21,690 --> 03:54:23,559 typically once the project's 5090 03:54:23,559 --> 03:54:26,780 done it's not four acre four houses per that individual 5091 03:54:26,780 --> 03:54:27,879 acre it's across the 5092 03:54:27,879 --> 03:54:31,239 entire plot okay I just 5093 03:54:37,959 --> 03:54:45,469 anyone else like to speak on this item I appreciate you all 5094 03:54:45,469 --> 03:54:46,600 coming out and 5095 03:54:46,600 --> 03:54:54,110 staying up late with us oh yes ma'am thank you miss that 5096 03:54:54,110 --> 03:54:54,280 one 5097 03:54:54,280 --> 03:54:57,459 there you just state your name and address please Lynette 5098 03:54:57,459 --> 03:54:58,520 leak and I live 5099 03:54:58,520 --> 03:55:03,239 at 1216 Oak Valley and I just wanted to say I was I'm 5100 03:55:03,239 --> 03:55:04,680 opposed to that change 5101 03:55:04,680 --> 03:55:10,909 zoning to NR4 but what is NR6 what did what does that 5102 03:55:10,909 --> 03:55:11,799 address to what's the 5103 03:55:11,799 --> 03:55:15,590 inner six so the inner six on this is the orange directly 5104 03:55:15,590 --> 03:55:16,799 to the west of the 5105 03:55:16,799 --> 03:55:21,639 subject property and it was approved last year as a rezone 5106 03:55:21,639 --> 03:55:22,360 and there's a 5107 03:55:22,360 --> 03:55:25,780 plot on file if you if you wanted to see how those houses 5108 03:55:25,780 --> 03:55:26,879 will be constructed 5109 03:55:26,879 --> 03:55:29,639 there already in the platting stage so you can see it's 5110 03:55:29,639 --> 03:55:30,920 publicly available to 5111 03:55:30,920 --> 03:55:33,780 know the roads and housing that's going on in that orange 5112 03:55:33,780 --> 03:55:34,719 block it's being 5113 03:55:34,719 --> 03:55:38,760 constructed now yeah just I mean similar concerns I mean 5114 03:55:38,760 --> 03:55:40,920 just the same thing just 5115 03:55:40,920 --> 03:55:45,760 that there would be the multifamily homes and just the 5116 03:55:45,760 --> 03:55:47,399 density that it would 5117 03:55:47,399 --> 03:55:50,719 be an issue or just be a problem and changing the 5118 03:55:50,719 --> 03:55:52,840 neighborhood so that's it 5119 03:55:52,840 --> 03:55:56,239 thank you for your feedback 5120 03:56:01,879 --> 03:56:03,120 ma'am if you could if you could come down for I'm sure 5121 03:56:03,120 --> 03:56:06,079 there's thousands of 5122 03:56:06,079 --> 03:56:13,069 people watching this on TV right now my wife is apparently 5123 03:56:13,069 --> 03:56:19,879 so there's one no I 5124 03:56:19,879 --> 03:56:28,739 just want to ask about the NR6 does that mean what does 5125 03:56:28,739 --> 03:56:31,360 that mean I mean 5126 03:56:31,360 --> 03:56:34,540 fundamentally it's just a higher density area than in our 5127 03:56:34,540 --> 03:56:35,440 six they can they can 5128 03:56:35,440 --> 03:56:38,889 go up to six units per acre that specific property we ca 5129 03:56:38,889 --> 03:56:39,719 pped them so 5130 03:56:39,719 --> 03:56:42,899 they're not going to be above I believe it's five per acre 5131 03:56:42,899 --> 03:56:43,639 they had a provision 5132 03:56:43,639 --> 03:56:47,850 on it but there are uses identified in each zoning category 5133 03:56:47,850 --> 03:56:48,600 of what can be 5134 03:56:48,600 --> 03:56:53,219 placed in each zone and so it's it's actually a pretty long 5135 03:56:53,219 --> 03:56:54,360 list but it's 5136 03:56:54,360 --> 03:56:58,159 just a higher density residential zone in classification 5137 03:56:58,159 --> 03:56:59,000 yeah that's really 5138 03:56:59,000 --> 03:57:11,469 high okay thank you if I may add just a little bit of the 5139 03:57:11,469 --> 03:57:12,040 explanation between 5140 03:57:12,040 --> 03:57:16,399 NR6 and our four NR6 permits duplex by right regardless of 5141 03:57:16,399 --> 03:57:17,399 where they are NR4 5142 03:57:17,399 --> 03:57:21,079 restricts it to essentially interior lots so they can't a 5143 03:57:21,079 --> 03:57:22,319 duplex could not 5144 03:57:22,319 --> 03:57:26,319 a but a single-family lot property line to property line 5145 03:57:26,319 --> 03:57:28,360 within NR4 and so this 5146 03:57:28,360 --> 03:57:32,329 this this site is sort of unique given that that that 5147 03:57:32,329 --> 03:57:34,079 pipeline and open space 5148 03:57:34,079 --> 03:57:36,879 and so they're as a result they're able to to sort of 5149 03:57:36,879 --> 03:57:38,280 arrange it in a way that 5150 03:57:38,280 --> 03:57:41,860 internalizes the duplexes so that's how it's permitted in 5151 03:57:41,860 --> 03:57:42,760 NR4 which is really 5152 03:57:42,760 --> 03:57:46,340 the the distinction from from NR6 with those overlays if 5153 03:57:46,340 --> 03:57:48,159 that helps thank you 5154 03:57:48,159 --> 03:57:54,469 Richard mr. Beck thank you chair Haley did what was the 5155 03:57:54,469 --> 03:57:55,799 opposition percentage 5156 03:57:55,799 --> 03:58:00,909 here I just going forward if if if we do approve this does 5157 03:58:00,909 --> 03:58:02,120 it meet the criteria 5158 03:58:02,120 --> 03:58:06,639 for the super majority at City Council because this is not 5159 03:58:06,639 --> 03:58:07,200 the final stop by 5160 03:58:07,200 --> 03:58:15,200 the way folks we'd have to recalculate with that prior to 5161 03:58:15,200 --> 03:58:15,879 the meeting I had our 5162 03:58:15,879 --> 03:58:18,649 GIS team right and we were only at about 3% with with the 5163 03:58:18,649 --> 03:58:19,680 ones reflected here on 5164 03:58:19,680 --> 03:58:23,909 the map certainly these responses would also go into that 5165 03:58:23,909 --> 03:58:25,219 but I'm not sure if it 5166 03:58:25,219 --> 03:58:28,600 would hit that 20% because there there are these large 5167 03:58:28,600 --> 03:58:30,040 tracks to the the west 5168 03:58:30,040 --> 03:58:36,030 of the site that would make up a sizable amount okay thank 5169 03:58:36,030 --> 03:58:36,079 you 5170 03:58:36,840 --> 03:58:43,299 anyone else like to speak on this item seeing none I'll 5171 03:58:43,299 --> 03:58:45,559 close the public hearing 5172 03:58:45,559 --> 03:58:49,360 and open for discussion or motion 5173 03:58:53,479 --> 03:58:57,819 Christian Beck thank you chair and thank all of you for 5174 03:58:57,819 --> 03:58:58,479 coming down and staying 5175 03:58:58,479 --> 03:59:01,420 as long as you have I know it's it's been a long night for 5176 03:59:01,420 --> 03:59:02,520 you and I realize 5177 03:59:02,520 --> 03:59:07,629 this is a frustrating development for you I empathize with 5178 03:59:07,629 --> 03:59:08,719 you really I've 5179 03:59:08,719 --> 03:59:12,920 stated my concerns I think duplexes turn to tend to turn 5180 03:59:12,920 --> 03:59:14,040 over quicker as rental 5181 03:59:14,040 --> 03:59:17,299 property but as rental property goes every neighborhood is 5182 03:59:17,299 --> 03:59:18,399 going to have some 5183 03:59:18,399 --> 03:59:24,000 I believe mr. Faulkner stated that at least the initial 5184 03:59:24,000 --> 03:59:26,159 buyer had to be had to 5185 03:59:26,159 --> 03:59:29,399 reside in the home what happens after somebody sells a 5186 03:59:29,399 --> 03:59:30,639 house nobody has any 5187 03:59:30,639 --> 03:59:37,200 control over that either so but what we're looking at here 5188 03:59:37,200 --> 03:59:37,719 is a piece of 5189 03:59:37,719 --> 03:59:41,510 property that's been here for a while mr. Faulkner feels 5190 03:59:41,510 --> 03:59:42,719 that if it was all 5191 03:59:42,719 --> 03:59:46,979 single-family that he wouldn't get the bang for his buck 5192 03:59:46,979 --> 03:59:48,520 and I understand that 5193 03:59:48,520 --> 03:59:53,120 you know money is an issue here that bothers some people 5194 03:59:53,120 --> 03:59:54,360 bothers me some of 5195 03:59:54,360 --> 04:00:00,489 the times but eventually this property will sit there for a 5196 04:00:00,489 --> 04:00:01,120 long period of time 5197 04:00:01,120 --> 04:00:05,069 we won't gain any tax revenue from it if we don't do 5198 04:00:05,069 --> 04:00:07,559 something and this is this 5199 04:00:07,559 --> 04:00:11,530 isn't a real is reasonable in the sense that it's he's 5200 04:00:11,530 --> 04:00:13,399 willing to work with you 5201 04:00:13,399 --> 04:00:16,350 on the traffic issue putting speed bumps in hopefully it'll 5202 04:00:16,350 --> 04:00:17,680 occur the buffers 5203 04:00:17,680 --> 04:00:22,260 seem adequate more than adequate and if you get a green 5204 04:00:22,260 --> 04:00:23,379 zone there maybe even a 5205 04:00:23,379 --> 04:00:26,559 city park you've got a little extra benefit that you didn't 5206 04:00:26,559 --> 04:00:30,000 have so there is 5207 04:00:30,000 --> 04:00:34,159 some reluctance on my part to to approve this but it does 5208 04:00:34,159 --> 04:00:36,000 meet the criteria that 5209 04:00:36,000 --> 04:00:40,639 the city establishes so that being said even reluctantly I 5210 04:00:40,639 --> 04:00:41,879 'm gonna make a motion 5211 04:00:41,879 --> 04:00:49,879 to approve the 1815 with any conditions we had no okay 5212 04:00:49,879 --> 04:00:51,319 thank you 5213 04:00:51,319 --> 04:00:58,290 Commissioner Beck we have a motion Chris your Sanchez is 5214 04:00:58,290 --> 04:01:00,639 that look look around 5215 04:01:00,639 --> 04:01:04,399 in the neighborhood you know you have an R6 and quite a bit 5216 04:01:04,399 --> 04:01:05,920 of NR for there you 5217 04:01:05,920 --> 04:01:11,799 have a few areas that are NR to and I'm you know if you 5218 04:01:11,799 --> 04:01:13,559 want to stay with with I 5219 04:01:13,559 --> 04:01:18,329 don't think in our floor is contradictory what he's asking 5220 04:01:18,329 --> 04:01:18,920 for for 5221 04:01:18,920 --> 04:01:24,729 what it's in the area and that you know I guess we look at 5222 04:01:24,729 --> 04:01:26,120 duplexes but that's 5223 04:01:26,120 --> 04:01:29,600 not what we're here talking about we're here to talk about 5224 04:01:29,600 --> 04:01:32,200 the zoning you know 5225 04:01:32,200 --> 04:01:36,840 is there a good possibility of there being 5226 04:01:36,840 --> 04:01:41,040 duplexes there there probably is that's probably the most 5227 04:01:41,040 --> 04:01:42,040 feasible like you 5228 04:01:42,040 --> 04:01:47,629 mentioned this what can you build there and still make a 5229 04:01:47,629 --> 04:01:48,239 little bit of money 5230 04:01:48,239 --> 04:01:50,629 that's somewhat it's a that's what it's all about people 5231 04:01:50,629 --> 04:01:51,159 have to make a little 5232 04:01:51,159 --> 04:01:54,549 bit a little bit of money they just can't leave that 5233 04:01:54,549 --> 04:01:57,479 property vacant so you 5234 04:01:57,479 --> 04:02:04,110 know I think looking at the area the whole area I'm gonna 5235 04:02:04,110 --> 04:02:06,120 vote for it and 5236 04:02:06,120 --> 04:02:08,219 Christians like chances are you are you second in the 5237 04:02:08,219 --> 04:02:11,639 motion yes okay any other 5238 04:02:11,639 --> 04:02:17,879 discussion yes Commissioner Ellis thank you chair I just a 5239 04:02:17,879 --> 04:02:18,959 couple thoughts thank 5240 04:02:18,959 --> 04:02:21,819 you all for coming out to share yours I struggle with this 5241 04:02:21,819 --> 04:02:23,200 a little bit for for 5242 04:02:23,200 --> 04:02:26,780 similar reasons that you mentioned when I saw a duplexes is 5243 04:02:26,780 --> 04:02:27,680 going in here 5244 04:02:27,680 --> 04:02:33,270 however with the limitations I think for what can be built 5245 04:02:33,270 --> 04:02:35,159 on the lot with 5246 04:02:35,159 --> 04:02:40,270 hopefully the the forward progress made with the city for 5247 04:02:40,270 --> 04:02:42,239 the park as well as 5248 04:02:42,239 --> 04:02:45,590 the limitations that the development code puts on where the 5249 04:02:45,590 --> 04:02:46,520 duplexes can be 5250 04:02:46,520 --> 04:02:51,739 on the lot I think this can be a very nice development 5251 04:02:51,739 --> 04:02:53,879 going forward if if 5252 04:02:53,879 --> 04:02:56,500 this concept plan actually makes it in their two hundred 5253 04:02:56,500 --> 04:02:57,600 fifty thousand dollars 5254 04:02:57,600 --> 04:03:03,219 a side that will speak to more owner occupants than it does 5255 04:03:03,219 --> 04:03:04,000 to rentals 5256 04:03:04,000 --> 04:03:07,180 because the money factor is not going to make any sense for 5257 04:03:07,180 --> 04:03:08,280 the landlord if they 5258 04:03:08,280 --> 04:03:11,170 spend that kind of money they're not going to make any 5259 04:03:11,170 --> 04:03:13,719 money on a rent so 5260 04:03:13,719 --> 04:03:17,639 those are my thoughts and I will support the motion 5261 04:03:17,639 --> 04:03:21,610 Christian back thank you chair and this is for the people 5262 04:03:21,610 --> 04:03:23,040 who live in the area 5263 04:03:23,040 --> 04:03:26,620 mr. Faulkner don't take it personal but this isn't the last 5264 04:03:26,620 --> 04:03:27,559 step this has to go 5265 04:03:27,559 --> 04:03:31,200 to City Council it has to be approved I mentioned the 20% 5266 04:03:31,200 --> 04:03:34,200 ratio that if you know 5267 04:03:34,200 --> 04:03:37,030 there's strong enough opposition in the surrounding areas 5268 04:03:37,030 --> 04:03:38,920 within the 200 feet if 5269 04:03:38,920 --> 04:03:42,100 you can get them at City Council and amounts to 20% of the 5270 04:03:42,100 --> 04:03:43,440 population they can 5271 04:03:43,440 --> 04:03:48,239 only approve by a super majority vote which would be a six 5272 04:03:48,239 --> 04:03:50,280 to one if so it 5273 04:03:50,280 --> 04:03:57,979 means that it works in your favor if you get six to one no 5274 04:03:57,979 --> 04:04:00,680 no we're talking about 5275 04:04:00,680 --> 04:04:06,569 the area within 200 feet of the area you have to have I'm 5276 04:04:06,569 --> 04:04:08,639 not sure it's 20% 5277 04:04:08,639 --> 04:04:18,399 Haley can you help with that you need a few more yes yeah 5278 04:04:18,399 --> 04:04:19,719 the the 20% is 5279 04:04:19,719 --> 04:04:23,090 calculated based on the land area within this 200 foot 5280 04:04:23,090 --> 04:04:24,319 buffer so within the red 5281 04:04:24,319 --> 04:04:28,690 circle so it would be a large number of properties that 5282 04:04:28,690 --> 04:04:29,719 would have to voice 5283 04:04:29,719 --> 04:04:33,649 opposition either by submitting that in writing to us or 5284 04:04:33,649 --> 04:04:34,319 attending one of the 5285 04:04:34,319 --> 04:04:39,909 meetings to trigger that but even still yeah there's coming 5286 04:04:39,909 --> 04:04:40,360 before the City 5287 04:04:40,360 --> 04:04:45,500 Council again it would be the final now or approval of it 5288 04:04:45,500 --> 04:04:46,879 denial of it so there 5289 04:04:46,879 --> 04:04:55,319 is still one more opportunity so I wanted to before I call 5290 04:04:55,319 --> 04:04:57,000 us to a vote is 5291 04:04:57,000 --> 04:05:01,680 is again thank you all for staying late I wanted to echo 5292 04:05:01,680 --> 04:05:04,860 Commissioner Becks points and what I said earlier there is 5293 04:05:04,860 --> 04:05:05,680 more to this process 5294 04:05:05,680 --> 04:05:10,489 and so stay active and even if the zoning goes through 5295 04:05:10,489 --> 04:05:11,840 council has to 5296 04:05:11,840 --> 04:05:15,020 approve it and then once that's approved then there has to 5297 04:05:15,020 --> 04:05:16,159 be a platting stage 5298 04:05:16,159 --> 04:05:19,950 that that people can articulate into it in terms of my 5299 04:05:19,950 --> 04:05:22,280 opinion on the rezoning I 5300 04:05:22,280 --> 04:05:26,809 think as it stands as an inner to that land is and has not 5301 04:05:26,809 --> 04:05:28,000 been able to be 5302 04:05:28,000 --> 04:05:33,219 developed and I'm for the infill development of this land 5303 04:05:33,219 --> 04:05:34,680 and so I'm in 5304 04:05:34,680 --> 04:05:37,319 support of it in our four because I think it does provide 5305 04:05:37,319 --> 04:05:38,200 the residents in 5306 04:05:38,200 --> 04:05:40,659 that inner four neighborhood a little bit of buffer going 5307 04:05:40,659 --> 04:05:42,200 to that in our six to 5308 04:05:42,200 --> 04:05:46,200 the west I would stay based on the feedback I heard I would 5309 04:05:46,200 --> 04:05:47,120 encourage the 5310 04:05:47,120 --> 04:05:51,049 applicant to see what economic feasibilities you have with 5311 04:05:51,049 --> 04:05:51,600 the density 5312 04:05:51,600 --> 04:05:54,780 credit from the east side property you could you could do 5313 04:05:54,780 --> 04:05:55,920 to give single-family 5314 04:05:55,920 --> 04:05:59,940 homes and hear the feedback of the residents to see if that 5315 04:05:59,940 --> 04:06:00,840 if there is a 5316 04:06:00,840 --> 04:06:03,709 breakeven point that makes sense there but I can appreciate 5317 04:06:03,709 --> 04:06:04,440 the economic 5318 04:06:04,440 --> 04:06:07,809 feasibility of the property in a whole with that said 5319 04:06:07,809 --> 04:06:09,479 though I'd be interested 5320 04:06:09,479 --> 04:06:11,639 to see if there's there's other projects that are feasible 5321 04:06:11,639 --> 04:06:13,079 on that property that 5322 04:06:13,079 --> 04:06:17,809 would fit more in line with what the residents have has a 5323 04:06:17,809 --> 04:06:18,280 how articulated 5324 04:06:18,280 --> 04:06:21,459 tonight but with that I don't see any other discussion so I 5325 04:06:21,459 --> 04:06:22,120 will call for this 5326 04:06:22,120 --> 04:06:39,799 vote on the board motion carries six zero with one absent 5327 04:06:39,799 --> 04:06:42,239 next on the agenda 5328 04:06:42,239 --> 04:06:46,770 is our planning zoning Commission project matrix and I will 5329 04:06:46,770 --> 04:06:47,479 start off 5330 04:06:47,479 --> 04:06:52,340 asking Richard if there's any updates wanted to provide 5331 04:06:52,340 --> 04:06:54,000 just a quick update on 5332 04:06:54,000 --> 04:06:57,180 on the tree code I know we originally talked about bringing 5333 04:06:57,180 --> 04:06:59,799 it back earlier 5334 04:06:59,799 --> 04:07:04,639 for this evening we're still working on those on those 5335 04:07:04,639 --> 04:07:06,239 changes we're going back 5336 04:07:06,239 --> 04:07:09,659 to the Committee on the Environment what had happened as a 5337 04:07:09,659 --> 04:07:10,920 result of the holiday 5338 04:07:10,920 --> 04:07:15,120 that meeting got got moved so we're going back this coming 5339 04:07:15,120 --> 04:07:16,340 Monday and so we 5340 04:07:16,340 --> 04:07:19,520 have made made some revisions some updates based upon the 5341 04:07:19,520 --> 04:07:20,319 input but again 5342 04:07:20,319 --> 04:07:25,540 we still are in the in the drafting stage and we're 5343 04:07:25,540 --> 04:07:26,899 certainly open to open 5344 04:07:26,899 --> 04:07:30,690 to discussion but we are we're moving as swiftly as we can 5345 04:07:30,690 --> 04:07:32,319 on it I think part of 5346 04:07:32,319 --> 04:07:34,790 it when we do come back we didn't get really a chance to 5347 04:07:34,790 --> 04:07:35,479 talk about the 5348 04:07:35,479 --> 04:07:39,059 landscape code and so as we look at canopy and talk about 5349 04:07:39,059 --> 04:07:40,159 canopy there's 5350 04:07:40,159 --> 04:07:42,620 there's multiple components to it that I want to make sure 5351 04:07:42,620 --> 04:07:43,239 that we it doesn't 5352 04:07:43,239 --> 04:07:47,379 just get lost in in with the preservation component 5353 04:07:47,379 --> 04:07:52,239 Christopher Beck thank you chair question I guess first for 5354 04:07:52,239 --> 04:07:53,120 I make a 5355 04:07:53,120 --> 04:07:57,870 second what is the requirement for the orange fencing on 5356 04:07:57,870 --> 04:07:59,079 trees is it supposed 5357 04:07:59,079 --> 04:08:02,870 to be at the drip line tree drip line because if it's not I 5358 04:08:02,870 --> 04:08:04,360 want I've got a 5359 04:08:04,360 --> 04:08:06,440 pull I've got to pull it up but I'll give that I want to 5360 04:08:06,440 --> 04:08:07,280 talk to Haywood but 5361 04:08:07,280 --> 04:08:09,959 I will give that answer okay I'll send it to everybody 5362 04:08:09,959 --> 04:08:11,840 tomorrow if it's not 5363 04:08:11,840 --> 04:08:16,079 my suggestion would be that we push for that because that 5364 04:08:16,079 --> 04:08:18,079 makes sense the loss 5365 04:08:18,079 --> 04:08:21,260 of trees is needless if we get in some right and if it is 5366 04:08:21,260 --> 04:08:22,399 identified on that 5367 04:08:22,399 --> 04:08:26,520 approved tree preservation plan if it is lost they are 5368 04:08:26,520 --> 04:08:28,020 required to right they 5369 04:08:28,020 --> 04:08:33,409 are required to replace it I curse your Alice thank you 5370 04:08:33,409 --> 04:08:34,840 chair bear with me I 5371 04:08:34,840 --> 04:08:39,840 just have a couple here so recently I read an editorial I 5372 04:08:39,840 --> 04:08:41,520 guess it was over 5373 04:08:41,520 --> 04:08:45,059 the weekend about a small business owner who was impacted 5374 04:08:45,059 --> 04:08:46,280 by some construction 5375 04:08:46,280 --> 04:08:48,979 that was happening in front of her business and she got no 5376 04:08:48,979 --> 04:08:49,920 notification of 5377 04:08:49,920 --> 04:08:54,350 that I don't have specifics again it was just an editorial 5378 04:08:54,350 --> 04:08:54,920 she didn't say 5379 04:08:54,920 --> 04:08:58,590 exactly where this was but she mentioned the city and a 5380 04:08:58,590 --> 04:09:00,600 certain developer who 5381 04:09:00,600 --> 04:09:03,690 tore up the sidewalk in front of her business took up most 5382 04:09:03,690 --> 04:09:04,680 of her parking and 5383 04:09:04,680 --> 04:09:08,139 she did not know anything about it so can you get us info 5384 04:09:08,139 --> 04:09:09,239 on what that process 5385 04:09:09,239 --> 04:09:13,290 is for notifying I would hope that we have one and if a 5386 04:09:13,290 --> 04:09:14,719 small business owner 5387 04:09:14,719 --> 04:09:17,500 like that is gonna be impacted they certainly need to be 5388 04:09:17,500 --> 04:09:18,159 able to make 5389 04:09:18,159 --> 04:09:20,690 accommodations for their customers in there or even 5390 04:09:20,690 --> 04:09:22,200 somebody to call right 5391 04:09:22,200 --> 04:09:28,219 right another one is can we address the concerns about the 5392 04:09:28,219 --> 04:09:29,760 notifications today I 5393 04:09:29,760 --> 04:09:34,200 I don't understand why everybody in Regency wouldn't have 5394 04:09:34,200 --> 04:09:35,159 received that 5395 04:09:35,159 --> 04:09:38,770 doesn't make any sense to me but I also I saw a response I 5396 04:09:38,770 --> 04:09:39,879 think it was on one 5397 04:09:39,879 --> 04:09:43,260 of the creek side notifications that they didn't live there 5398 04:09:43,260 --> 04:09:44,280 anymore and they 5399 04:09:44,280 --> 04:09:49,610 hadn't for a year and we sent them a notice so I'm confused 5400 04:09:49,610 --> 04:09:50,639 on that as well 5401 04:09:50,639 --> 04:09:53,590 because we shouldn't have your own I mean they sold their 5402 04:09:53,590 --> 04:09:54,559 property she said 5403 04:09:54,559 --> 04:09:59,620 July of 17 this is August of 18 or September of 18 excuse 5404 04:09:59,620 --> 04:10:01,020 me I'm thinking we 5405 04:10:01,020 --> 04:10:04,750 should have more updated roles than that yeah because we're 5406 04:10:04,750 --> 04:10:05,680 pulling right from 5407 04:10:05,680 --> 04:10:09,200 the from from the crazy and I don't know if there's an easy 5408 04:10:09,200 --> 04:10:12,000 answer to that but 5409 04:10:12,000 --> 04:10:15,719 we've come across the past the county sends over their 5410 04:10:15,719 --> 04:10:16,600 certified tax roll 5411 04:10:16,600 --> 04:10:20,739 once a year in the past it's taken our GIS team a while to 5412 04:10:20,739 --> 04:10:21,479 get our entire 5413 04:10:21,479 --> 04:10:24,659 database updated with that new information so there 5414 04:10:24,659 --> 04:10:25,559 typically is at 5415 04:10:25,559 --> 04:10:30,360 least a year lag time in our addressing which which is an 5416 04:10:30,360 --> 04:10:32,159 issue but it's my 5417 04:10:32,159 --> 04:10:34,780 understanding and maybe Jerry could help with that that we 5418 04:10:34,780 --> 04:10:35,719 are required to use 5419 04:10:35,719 --> 04:10:39,250 the certified tax roll I believe that is a local government 5420 04:10:39,250 --> 04:10:40,520 code requirement so 5421 04:10:40,520 --> 04:10:44,649 so he's not necessarily aware rounded yeah and the 500 foot 5422 04:10:44,649 --> 04:10:45,639 is based on the 5423 04:10:45,639 --> 04:10:48,819 more updated addresses so I'm not sure what the issue was 5424 04:10:48,819 --> 04:10:50,399 with those but we we 5425 04:10:50,399 --> 04:10:52,860 did get the receipt from our mailing service that showed 5426 04:10:52,860 --> 04:10:53,680 they were all mailed 5427 04:10:53,680 --> 04:10:57,340 and it's supposed to go to every current residents not not 5428 04:10:57,340 --> 04:10:58,319 to a certified 5429 04:10:58,319 --> 04:11:04,629 property owner what it's worth Michelle's I this is the 5430 04:11:04,629 --> 04:11:05,079 first time that 5431 04:11:05,079 --> 04:11:09,610 I was in a 500 foot boundary and I don't want to project 5432 04:11:09,610 --> 04:11:11,000 this as anyone else in 5433 04:11:11,000 --> 04:11:13,879 the audience this is just me but when I went to the mail 5434 04:11:13,879 --> 04:11:15,479 and I had two 5435 04:11:15,479 --> 04:11:19,709 periodicals and a lot of junk mail it was very easy to have 5436 04:11:19,709 --> 04:11:20,760 been slipped 5437 04:11:20,760 --> 04:11:23,709 through and so that's not to say we send out a massive one 5438 04:11:23,709 --> 04:11:25,239 or anything but I will 5439 04:11:25,239 --> 04:11:29,040 say if you're not diligently going through your mail I mean 5440 04:11:29,040 --> 04:11:30,680 it's it's 5441 04:11:30,680 --> 04:11:35,540 possible especially if it's not certified I've just got one 5442 04:11:35,540 --> 04:11:36,520 more and that 5443 04:11:36,520 --> 04:11:40,319 is I don't know if the gentleman who he's not here anymore 5444 04:11:40,319 --> 04:11:41,360 but he was annexed 5445 04:11:41,360 --> 04:11:45,549 into the city said and promised services what what what is 5446 04:11:45,549 --> 04:11:46,799 the what I want to know 5447 04:11:46,799 --> 04:11:52,389 is yeah the process on that because he said that was quite 5448 04:11:52,389 --> 04:11:53,159 quite a long time 5449 04:11:53,159 --> 04:11:57,200 ago and I don't think anything's changed on his property 5450 04:11:57,200 --> 04:11:57,959 and I have it I made a 5451 04:11:57,959 --> 04:12:03,000 note to myself to check into that 5452 04:12:07,159 --> 04:12:11,879 definitely like I'll just confirm what Haley said about the 5453 04:12:11,879 --> 04:12:13,159 most recently 5454 04:12:13,159 --> 04:12:19,739 approved tax roll it's in the section 211 007 C of the 5455 04:12:19,739 --> 04:12:20,840 Texas local government 5456 04:12:20,840 --> 04:12:25,219 code and for the purposes of tracking the super majority 5457 04:12:25,219 --> 04:12:26,879 requirement and 5458 04:12:26,879 --> 04:12:30,059 sending out notifications and counting the opposition for 5459 04:12:30,059 --> 04:12:30,799 creating a super 5460 04:12:30,799 --> 04:12:37,479 majority that's what's required but that can only be 5461 04:12:37,479 --> 04:12:40,479 updated just once a year 5462 04:12:40,479 --> 04:12:43,840 yeah well it's whenever they do it it says the most 5463 04:12:43,840 --> 04:12:45,239 recently approved 5464 04:12:45,239 --> 04:12:49,049 municipal tax roll of real property within 200 feet of the 5465 04:12:49,049 --> 04:12:50,920 property and I 5466 04:12:50,920 --> 04:12:56,510 don't I assume that they would do that once a year if I 5467 04:12:56,510 --> 04:12:59,520 could just add one more 5468 04:12:59,520 --> 04:13:02,879 I don't want to take Julie's thunder for her her boot camp 5469 04:13:02,879 --> 04:13:03,879 slide when we when we 5470 04:13:03,879 --> 04:13:08,079 get to it on notifications with it with the 200 foot 5471 04:13:08,079 --> 04:13:10,360 notification we have again 5472 04:13:10,360 --> 04:13:13,959 like a lot of things in our department we're continuing to 5473 04:13:13,959 --> 04:13:16,120 evolve and we have 5474 04:13:16,120 --> 04:13:19,719 changed those notices at least the information that's going 5475 04:13:19,719 --> 04:13:20,159 out we're 5476 04:13:20,159 --> 04:13:23,149 obviously still providing what's being done but also being 5477 04:13:23,149 --> 04:13:24,120 a little bit more 5478 04:13:24,120 --> 04:13:29,540 explicit about exactly what's being done not so so there's 5479 04:13:29,540 --> 04:13:31,200 been a concern as you 5480 04:13:31,200 --> 04:13:34,670 see saw with I think with the car wash where people are 5481 04:13:34,670 --> 04:13:35,680 invited to come to a 5482 04:13:35,680 --> 04:13:38,299 public hearing and in their mind they have an idea of what 5483 04:13:38,299 --> 04:13:39,120 that what can be 5484 04:13:39,120 --> 04:13:42,879 voted on but in turn it's something different and so we're 5485 04:13:42,879 --> 04:13:44,200 in the process of 5486 04:13:44,200 --> 04:13:47,930 that was something that that that was requested at council 5487 04:13:47,930 --> 04:13:49,000 and it was a good 5488 04:13:49,000 --> 04:13:52,579 idea so we are continually to adjust that and better inform 5489 04:13:52,579 --> 04:13:54,440 the citizens just 5490 04:13:54,440 --> 04:13:57,399 wanted to provide that update 5491 04:13:59,840 --> 04:14:04,819 anyone else fantastic with that I will close the public 5492 04:14:04,819 --> 04:14:05,559 hearing or the work 5493 04:14:05,559 --> 04:14:08,889 session whatever this planning and zoning Commission 5494 04:14:08,889 --> 04:14:10,440 meeting at 936 thank 5495 04:14:10,440 --> 04:14:12,479 you