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 >> Good afternoon and welcome to the City of Denton's Planning and Zoning Commission

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 meeting for Wednesday, January 11th, 2023.

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 This is our work session and with the quorum present I will call us to order at 5 o'clock

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 p.m.

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 First item on our work session is citizen comment on consent agenda.

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 I don't have anyone here wishing to speak there, so I will move on to clarification

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 of agenda items on tonight's agenda for our regular meeting.

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 First is the minutes.

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 There was a slight correction emailed to everyone.

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 It just had to do with location of where we held that meeting.

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 Any questions on either of the minutes for CIAC or PNZ?

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 Okay.

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 How about on consent agenda?

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 We have two items there for tonight.

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 With individual consideration items, we are going to elect a chair and vice chair because

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 it's January, so I guess -- what do we want to do, Hillary?

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 Well, that's on our -- we do need to do it at our regular meeting because it is on a

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 regular agenda, so okay, keep that in mind.

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 All right.

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 Okay.

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 4B, we just got an email on that.

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 It has been withdrawn, so we will not take action on 4B today.

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 Public hearings for tonight, 5A.

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 Let's see.

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 Ashley, do you want to just give us a quick rundown of what that is and then we can see

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 if anybody has got any questions.

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 Ashley Hickok, assistant planner.

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 This is Z220015, and this is a request to rezone approximately 4.18 acres from rural

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 residential to residential one.

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 The reason for this request is that the property is nonconforming with our zoning, which requires

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 a minimum lot size of five acres.

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 This subject site is generally located on the west side of Swisher Road, approximately

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 2800 feet north of Edwards Road, and we are recommending approval.

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 It is consistent with the future land use map and meets the criteria for approval.

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 Thank you.

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 Any questions on that?

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 Commissioner Pruitt.

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 Thank you, Chair.

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 Just a quick one, because I'm curious.

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 Out in this area, it's pretty country-like, and I think the roads are existing, two-lane

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 bar-ditch kind of road.

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 Do we have provisions where somebody who's building a home on a site like this doesn't

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 necessarily have to put in sidewalks that are not going anywhere?

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 Because normally in R1, like in a subdivision, that would be required, is my understanding,

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 right?

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 Yeah.

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 So in our development code, a Corina Maldonado Transportation Planner, in our development

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 code, there are exemptions for perimeter street improvements for single-family homes when it's

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 just a single home versus a subdivision, and so sidewalks would be included in that exemption.

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 Okay.

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 Thank you.

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 You're welcome.

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 Anybody else?

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 Ashley, as far as access on that, I know there's an easement.

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 Is that in place already?

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 Yes, it is.

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 Okay.

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 Very good.

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 Okay.

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 Thank you very much.

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 Thank you.

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 Okay.

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 That'll move us to 5B.

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 Ron is here.

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 Hi, Ron.

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 Good afternoon.

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 Madam Chair, members of the commission.

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 This is a request for an initial zoning to LI, the reason why it's an initial zoning.

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 It was recently annexed into the city, December 6th to be specific.

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 It's approximately 82.96 acres, again, annexed recently.

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 The property or the roadway to the south is Barthold Road.

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 It's a primary arterial, and obviously you can see from the site map or the aerial, I-35

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 is to the east.

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 The proposed use, according to the applicant, is an industrial use, so they will be constructing

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 an industrial building or a building to house that industrial use.

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 Staff is recommending approval as it is consistent with the criteria for approval, specifically

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 the comprehensive plan actions, sorry, the goals and policies, building the land use

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 designation of light industrial, the light industrial district purpose.

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 As far as adverse impact, there are non-anticipated, and utilities and infrastructure would be

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 brought in to the site.

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 As you can see, that development has already occurred to some degree to the east, and that

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 is where those utilities would be extended from.

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 With that, I'll stay here for any questions.

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 Thank you, Ron.

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 Any questions on this item for Ron?

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 Thank you so much.

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 Okay, that'll move us to 5C, and I believe that is Julie's item.

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 And welcome, Commissioner Villareal.

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 Hi, Julie.

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 Good evening, Julie Wyatt, senior planner.

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 Let me pull up the presentation.

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 All right, just a summary.

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 This is S22-0009.

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 It is a request for a multifamily use on about 16 acres in the suburban corridor district.

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 The property is located adjacent to Mayhill, just west of Mayhill.

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 It's where Mills dead ends right now, but eventually Mills is actually going to connect

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 to Loop 288 via Hummingbird.

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 That Hummingbird will be punched through between Loop 288 and Mayhill.

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 The property is in a community mixed use, future land use designation, and we've analyzed

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 the request and determined it's consistent with the future land use map and with the

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 criteria for approval, so we'll be recommending approval of the request.

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 I'll be happy to answer any questions.

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 Thanks, Julie.

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 Did I say that there was a preliminary plan for this site that was approved, right?

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 It was actually not approved.

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 It was denied.

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 Correct.

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 Correct.

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 It was delayed and then denied, yeah.

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 Yes.

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 And then they just pulled it all together?

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 Well, and that was denied.

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 They submitted that and then, you know, we told them we can't approve that preliminary

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 plan until your SUP is approved.

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 And so now they've come back with the SUP and that...

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 So this is the same group and the same thing?

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 Okay.

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 Correct, yes.

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 That is what I wanted to make sure.

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 And it looks like it's just phase two of what's already happening?

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 It is kind of an extension of that.

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 Related or not?

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 Well, the same development group is actually developing it.

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 And there is some connectivity with this and the adjacent forest crossing.

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 They're going to be sharing that access point to Mayhill.

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 But they will be separate, so they'll be kind of separate entities, but they are adjacent

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 to each other.

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 Okay.

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 Okay.

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 Thank you.

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 Any questions for Julie?

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 Okay.

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 Thanks, Julie.

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 But I think you're up for the next one, too.

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 All right.

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 Okay.

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 So this is PDA 22-0004, the Preserve at Pecan Creek.

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 This one may look familiar to some of you because we did have an amendment for this

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 property for the PD in 2019.

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 They've come back and requested an amendment to that amendment to increase the building

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 coverage.

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 With that PD amendment, they had the 33% building coverage.

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 They'd like to up that to 55%.

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 We talked with them about that and said, "Well, we think you need to increase the rear yard

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 setback to accommodate any visual impacts associated with that increased building coverage."

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 So this amendment is for that increased building coverage and the increased rear setback.

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 The subject property is located along Lakeview and Edwards, outlined in yellow here.

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 It is actually also platted as well, and actually the streets are in now.

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 So this is really that last part of the development.

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 The future land use map is low-density residential, and it is consistent with the future land use

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 map and the criteria for approval.

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 There's one thing I wanted to mention that we've heard from the surrounding property

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 owners.

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 There is a masonry requirement that the applicant originally proposed and that they say they

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 are tending to comply with.

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 It is not something that the City of Denton, as you are aware, can enforce due to House

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 Bill 2439 that was enacted in 2014.

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 So we've tried to let the neighbors know that, that we just can't enforce that masonry requirement.

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 But I did want to make you aware of that, and I'll be happy to answer any questions.

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 - Thank you, Julie.

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 Questions?

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 Commissioner Perot?

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 - Thank you, Chair.

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 As I was looking at this, it looked like their proposed plans would be buildable by right

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 in like an R6 district, right?

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 - Yes.

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 - Can you explain to me what staff's thinking was to prefer the proposed option as opposed

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 to a rezoning to one of our standard zoning districts?

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 - Just because it's within the preserve, and to be honest with you, it really wasn't even

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 something that we entertained in that this is the very last section of the preserve.

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 They had that detailed plan that the PLAT had already established.

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 So we really felt like this was the most targeted and conservative approach for this project.

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 - Okay, thank you.

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 - Any other questions?

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 Okay.

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 - Thank you.

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 - Thank you, Julie.

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 And then with regard to, let's see, 5E, we're gonna open the public hearing, but we're gonna

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 ask for a post-moment to a date certain of January 25th for us to take action on that

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 item.

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 Okay, questions on that?

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 Okay.

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 Then that concludes us going through our agenda.

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 So our next item in work session is a work session report, receive report, hold a discussion

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 regarding transportation topics.

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 Turn it over to Karina.

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 Hi.

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 I'm Karina Maldonado, transportation planner.

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 Let me go ahead and pull up the presentation.

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 So today's presentation is just a continuation of our very fun and very informative boot

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 camp series, which has now come its way into 2023.

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 So this is a second part of the transportation portion.

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 So this is what we've got up till now.

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 I'll kind of lay this out there for you if you're interested in exploring more transportation

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 topics.

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 Happy to bring those forward 'cause this is very exciting.

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 Transportation planning is my background, so I'm very excited to bring this forward

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 for y'all today.

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 So today's topic is per request mobility and connectivity.

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 So a couple things we'll go over is mobility versus transportation.

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 This is really talking about some terms and how they're often used interchangeably.

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 We'll talk about functional classification, level of service, access management and connectivity,

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 and then how all of that plays into development review.

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 So just starting off, I thought this would be a good topic to start off on.

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 Oftentimes in our mobility plan or in reports, you often hear the term mobility, and sometimes

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 it's used synonymously with transportation.

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 And they don't always mean the same thing, and the difference is very slight.

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 So just giving you the term mobility is the term used to describe, and I underscored this,

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 the ability or capability of goods, services or people to move.

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 So how well they're able to move around.

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 And transportation is the term used to describe the act or movement or like the process of

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 goods, services and people to and from those destinations.

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 So just some examples for y'all.

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 I did provide a screenshot of a link that is linked at the back of the presentation.

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 If you ever want to read this article, it's probably like a two-minute read.

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 So example of mobility.

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 If you think of a roadway that's full of potholes or degrading pavement, that is actually reducing

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 your vehicular mobility.

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 So if that was a brand new roadway, fresh and clean, you would have increased mobility

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 because there's no obstacles in getting you from point A to point B.

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 As an example of pedestrian mobility, having a sidewalk that's wide enough and free of

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 obstacles, so not having light poles that interrupt your path or cracked pavement or

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 furniture in your way, that is an example of increasing pedestrian mobility.

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 And third, and something that you might not think about, is having increased signage and

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 wayfinding, that is a way to increase all roadway users' ability to navigate through

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 our transportation system as a whole.

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 So increased wayfinding is a way for all of our road users to increase their mobility

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 throughout our overall transportation system.

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 So in a nutshell, that is what mobility means.

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 On the transportation side, you can think of that term as an umbrella term to talk about

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 all things related to transportation that encompasses several modes.

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 So we talk about modes of transportation that would include roadway users, walking, biking,

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 taking public transit.

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 So when we talk about that, that is a form of transportation and we would use transportation

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 to describe that.

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 Transportation when it's described can also come forth as a modal or multimodal choice.

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 So when we talk about modal, we're talking about one form of transportation.

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 Modal is when we talk about multimodal approaches, that's that whole bikeped connectivity, bikeped

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 users and how we plan for them.

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 So in general, mobility, access management, connectivity, those are all things used to

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 describe the quality of our transportation system.

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 So next I'll jump into functional classifications.

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 And this is something that you've maybe heard as projects come forward.

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 That's something that you hear when we talk about TIAs or even when we talk about our

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 mobility plan.

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 So functional classification, it refers to roadways and how they're intended to operate

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 within the transportation system based on our desired mobility and access.

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 And those are inversely related.

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 So I've provided this chart, which is actually pulled directly from our mobility plan, actually

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 this is from our comprehensive plan, which talks about that relationship.

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 So functional classifications, those are hierarchical in nature.

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 If we think about the highest classification of a roadway, that would be our freeways.

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 So Loop 288 at the north side or I-35.

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 Those facilities provide the highest mobility.

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 So the most ease of access going from point A to point B without interruption within our

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 transportation system, but they do come with limited access.

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 So really your access to a freeway is only with on and off ramps and they're strategically

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 placed to ensure that there's free flow throughout the system.

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 On the opposite end is our local streets.

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 So those provide the greatest access to our transportation system, but the lowest mobility.

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 So just what that means is if you think about a residential street, there's driveway access

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 for every home, so a subdivision will have 30 lots and they all have access to our transportation

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 system.

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 But in terms of mobility, every driveway interaction is another way to stop you from moving forward

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 and getting from point A to B, or at least slowing you down.

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 So that's reduced mobility.

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 So when we talk about functional classifications, how do those come to be?

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 How do we determine what we want on our mobility plan, what our future needs are for our transportation

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 system?

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 So just briefly, this table is pulled directly from our mobility plan, which talks about

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 all of our roadway classifications and what the right of way looks like, volumes, target

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 speeds.

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 So what goes into it first, target speed, and I have a little asterisk by there because

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 this term is actually intended to refer to our intended design speed, not the posted

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 speed that you see on the actual roadway.

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 So roads can be designed to give us the speed that we want, but oftentimes, you know, as

00:17:18.620 --> 00:17:22.320
 you drive through the network, you'll notice that maybe the speed limit is 30, but someone's

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 going a little bit faster than that.

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 That's related to the design speed of a roadway.

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 So other things are, you know, you hear a lot about context-sensitive solutions for

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 roadways.

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 So when we think about our classifications, things that go into mind are what is the urban

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 context of this roadway?

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 What is the suburban context?

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 And what is the rural context?

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 And Denton has really all of those that we need to consider when we think about our functional

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 classifications.

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 And the last traffic volume, what is the traffic volume that we expect on these facilities?

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 What is the capacity that we need them to hold?

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 So all of those things are what we look at when we think about functional classification.

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 So an added level of service, I don't want to spend too much time on it, but I did provide

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 you with a graphic that kind of depicts what you all kind of -- you hear when we talk about

00:18:12.480 --> 00:18:17.680
 TIAs the most is, hey, this roadway is at a level of service F, you know, or it's a

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 level of service C. What does that mean?

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 This is a great graphic for you all to go back to, but because it gives you that visual

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 of what we mean.

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 So high level, level of service just refers to the objective quality of a roadway.

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 That includes intersections, which I won't touch on too much, but it is included in that

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 definition.

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 And it's based on the operational conditions.

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 So something I do want to point out is that level of service is used -- and it focuses

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 on vehicular movement over all other modes of transportation.

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 Now there are ways to capture what bicycle facilities and pedestrian facilities operate

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 at, but it's not synonymous with level of service.

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 It might be a different version of level of service, so this focuses on roadway level

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 of service.

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 And again, factors evaluated -- to evaluate its operational conditions are design speed,

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 the traffic volume, and then the capacity.

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 So basically evaluating the existing conditions compared to our functional classification,

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 if you want to think about it that way.

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 And so again, the main objective of a level of service description is to assess the flow

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 of traffic.

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 So assessing our mobility on a roadway.

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 And of course, the mobility of cars or trucks or motorized vehicles.

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 What it does not assess is the safety of all road users.

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 So I want to keep that in mind because it's a great tool to have in our toolbox of assessing

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 our facilities, but it's not the only mechanism to identify what our roadways should look

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 like.

00:19:54.760 --> 00:19:55.760
 There's a question.

00:19:55.760 --> 00:19:56.760
 Commissioner Smith.

00:19:56.760 --> 00:19:57.760
 Thank you, Chair.

00:19:57.760 --> 00:20:01.880
 Karina, whenever level of service is calculated, is it done at -- is it done calculated over,

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 you know, a specific period of time?

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 Is it looked at at peak -- at peak traffic hours?

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 Is it -- what's the methodology that goes into that?

00:20:10.120 --> 00:20:15.960
 So I will have to preface this, that I am not a traffic engineer, and this is a function

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 of engineering.

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 Why are you here?

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 I am a transportation planner, and we are the best, so I will say that.

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 But what I can say is that when they do their analysis of a roadway, they do incorporate

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 AM and PM peak hours.

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 They look at delay at an intersection.

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 They do trip counters, so that helps them make the assessment.

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 So it's not -- it's not a study or report that's done in a vacuum.

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 They do go out there and gather data for each facility so that they can make that determination.

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 They have several factors that go into it, but we can have engineering do a very specific

00:20:50.040 --> 00:20:51.040
 --

00:20:51.040 --> 00:20:52.040
 No, we're okay.

00:20:52.040 --> 00:20:53.040
 Thank you.

00:20:53.040 --> 00:20:54.760
 Great question.

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 So the last thing I'll say about level of service, and you're familiar with, is that

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 it ranges from a level of service A to a level of service F, A being that it indicates higher

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 vehicular mobility, and F being a breakdown in our mobility.

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 A and C are generally acceptable in the study of Denton.

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 D is the status quo, so that is the level that we maintain, and E and F are simply unacceptable.

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 I will say, as a last point on this slide, is that level of service A -- and you'll hear

00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:28.080
 this a lot from a fellow co-worker that I love very dearly -- level of service A isn't

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 always the best when you factor in bike-ped facilities as a priority, so just keep that

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 in mind when we look at projects that come in.

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 While we would strive for a higher level of service, that also means that we're having

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 to give on our safety for bike-ped users.

00:21:45.040 --> 00:21:46.040
 Commissioner Smith.

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 I'll follow up to that question again.

00:21:48.120 --> 00:21:51.920
 So from a planner's perspective, I want to ask you engineering questions.

00:21:51.920 --> 00:21:53.640
 I'll take it.

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 What do you -- whenever we're going through or doing a planning for a development, do

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 you vary based off what you're targeting, because you say basically A through C are

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 generally acceptable?

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 Do you go into certain facility or certain projects and say, hey, this is a residential

00:22:06.200 --> 00:22:13.400
 development that's near a school, so therefore, you know, pedestrian mobility and bike mobility

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 needs to be higher, so therefore, we're going to target this to be more of a B or a C?

00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:22.720
 Like, will this -- will the impact, the traffic impact that he does, puts out there -- will

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 it keep us in a B or C range?

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 Obviously, we're not trying to go down to D. How does the planning process go into like

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 targeting what is the best, or I'm guessing at C, you're basically saying this is a problem

00:22:32.200 --> 00:22:33.480
 at that point in time, so.

00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:34.480
 Yeah.

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 That is a very great question, and I won't go into too much detail, but what I will tell

00:22:38.520 --> 00:22:44.200
 you is that as you're aware, seeing my face come up in a different light, transportation

00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:46.680
 planning is new to the city of Denton.

00:22:46.680 --> 00:22:47.680
 It's a baby.

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 It's in its infancy.

00:22:48.800 --> 00:22:51.880
 It's maybe a year old.

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 So planning hasn't had the chance to make that much of an impact with transportation

00:22:58.040 --> 00:22:59.040
 planning reviews.

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 We are trying to do exactly what you're asking is.

00:23:02.000 --> 00:23:05.060
 Take a greater look at the TIAs when they come in.

00:23:05.060 --> 00:23:08.760
 Make sure that they're operating at a level of service that's appropriate for bike ped

00:23:08.760 --> 00:23:14.080
 users, and then ensure that that is incorporated into their site plans.

00:23:14.080 --> 00:23:20.120
 So if we want to have a roadway facility that's required by the development to serve bike

00:23:20.120 --> 00:23:25.640
 ped users, we're going to ask for wider side paths or a bike lane, depending on the context

00:23:25.640 --> 00:23:28.440
 of the area in general.

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 So you may not see that today or even in the next couple of months, but it is the goal

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 that we're going, we're striving towards, if that helps.

00:23:39.040 --> 00:23:43.440
 All right.

00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:47.440
 So I will move on to the next slide, which talks about access management.

00:23:47.440 --> 00:23:50.420
 So I'm going to give you the definition that Federal Highways uses, and then I'll kind

00:23:50.420 --> 00:23:51.420
 of break that down.

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 So access management, when we talk about this, is the proactive management of vehicular access

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 points to land parcels adjacent to all manner of roadways.

00:24:00.360 --> 00:24:01.720
 So what does that mean?

00:24:01.720 --> 00:24:07.440
 So well, access points, those include your driveways, your driveway approaches, any cross

00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:08.440
 streets.

00:24:08.440 --> 00:24:12.680
 So if you think of an arterial crossing with a residential street or another collector.

00:24:12.680 --> 00:24:17.320
 And then median openings is another way of managing your access.

00:24:17.320 --> 00:24:22.520
 So if you look at arterials and how they're divided by a median, we can dictate where

00:24:22.520 --> 00:24:24.680
 turning movements go.

00:24:24.680 --> 00:24:28.640
 So vehicular access is determined by the roadway classification.

00:24:28.640 --> 00:24:34.400
 So if we think back to the slides that I presented on mobility and functional classification,

00:24:34.400 --> 00:24:38.960
 for a higher classified roadway, the whole goal of that roadway is to get people from

00:24:38.960 --> 00:24:41.980
 point A to point B with less interruptions.

00:24:41.980 --> 00:24:45.920
 So those roadways would have less access to that facility.

00:24:45.920 --> 00:24:49.540
 And then the lower you go, the more access they would have.

00:24:49.540 --> 00:24:53.440
 So that's something that we think about in development review, and I'll get to that later

00:24:53.440 --> 00:24:55.920
 in my slides.

00:24:55.920 --> 00:25:01.480
 Access management does also include consolidation of access points or consolidation of driveways

00:25:01.480 --> 00:25:03.680
 to reduce bike/ped conflicts.

00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:08.760
 Going back to safety, you know, we want to consider the context of the area in which

00:25:08.760 --> 00:25:14.740
 developments absolutely need a driveway approach spacing or if they meet the spacing requirements

00:25:14.740 --> 00:25:16.500
 in our code.

00:25:16.500 --> 00:25:22.040
 And going into the next point, cross-access is one of those mechanisms that assist us

00:25:22.040 --> 00:25:24.000
 in access management.

00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:29.440
 So if one area doesn't necessarily meet this driveway spacing to get their own access point

00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:35.480
 or the facility doesn't call for it, we would ask for cross-access to the adjacent property

00:25:35.480 --> 00:25:39.240
 so that, you know, someone going through -- and this is something that you see in commercial

00:25:39.240 --> 00:25:43.300
 development if you think about the downtown crossing area.

00:25:43.300 --> 00:25:48.140
 If you go in through Target's main entrance, you can still get to Home Depot, you can still

00:25:48.140 --> 00:25:52.440
 get to Chick-fil-A, you can still get to the other developments within the area, even though

00:25:52.440 --> 00:25:56.600
 those developments don't have their own access point to Loop 288.

00:25:56.600 --> 00:26:00.320
 So that's one way you can think about cross-access.

00:26:00.320 --> 00:26:04.840
 And then to the point, the greater number of access points that you have on a facility

00:26:04.840 --> 00:26:07.000
 means the greater level of friction.

00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:12.320
 And that can be good or bad just, again, depending on the context of the facility, of the area,

00:26:12.320 --> 00:26:17.060
 and what we're really striving for.

00:26:17.060 --> 00:26:19.400
 That really plays into connectivity.

00:26:19.400 --> 00:26:23.800
 This is a topic that PNZ and Council have really focused on, especially with the recent

00:26:23.800 --> 00:26:28.000
 amendments to our code regarding access.

00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:31.600
 So connectivity is what underlies and plays towards that.

00:26:31.600 --> 00:26:36.040
 So connectivity refers to the quality of the transportation network in providing multiple

00:26:36.040 --> 00:26:40.800
 routes and connections between the same origins and destinations.

00:26:40.800 --> 00:26:45.520
 So this graphic, you may have seen it before, I'm not quite sure, but it is one of the best

00:26:45.520 --> 00:26:49.680
 depictions of what we mean when we ask for connectivity.

00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:55.080
 On the left, you have sort of a classic grid residential network, and you can see there's

00:26:55.080 --> 00:26:57.880
 a school that we're trying to get to.

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 With the number of routes that are available within a decent walking distance, you can

00:27:02.800 --> 00:27:08.800
 get to point A to B using this blue line, or you can take a different path if you wanted

00:27:08.800 --> 00:27:15.420
 to stroll around the neighborhood, but getting to point A and B, you have several options.

00:27:15.420 --> 00:27:19.260
 You have several options to get to the market or to any cross streets.

00:27:19.260 --> 00:27:25.320
 On the opposite end, we see something that has less connectivity, and that is the classic

00:27:25.320 --> 00:27:30.520
 subdivision in the rural area part of town or the suburban area of town where we have

00:27:30.520 --> 00:27:36.080
 more cul-de-sacs, kind of private development that you want your seclusion.

00:27:36.080 --> 00:27:42.680
 If you see same distance between the school and the home, there's not much connectivity.

00:27:42.680 --> 00:27:46.760
 You could not walk across in a direct path to get to the school.

00:27:46.760 --> 00:27:52.040
 You would have to kind of take a circuitous route to get there, and so that creates less

00:27:52.040 --> 00:27:53.040
 mobility.

00:27:53.040 --> 00:27:57.500
 The ease of access from point A to B is reduced, so that's something we don't want to see.

00:27:57.500 --> 00:27:59.700
 We want to see greater connectivity.

00:27:59.700 --> 00:28:04.360
 I'll actually skip over the points on my slide because I generally talked about them right

00:28:04.360 --> 00:28:09.160
 now, but this is one of the biggest things that transportation planning is trying to

00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:12.280
 improve in our process.

00:28:12.280 --> 00:28:14.880
 And that brings me to development review.

00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:18.440
 So we talked about your question earlier, Commissioner.

00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:23.700
 This is something that's still fairly new, but it is going to be kind of the heavy hitter

00:28:23.700 --> 00:28:28.160
 on development review right now is making sure that developments are providing access

00:28:28.160 --> 00:28:32.600
 and connectivity when they submit a development for review.

00:28:32.600 --> 00:28:37.760
 And so there's a few sections in our development code that we refer to when we review our developments.

00:28:37.760 --> 00:28:42.780
 So subchapter 7.8, that talks about access and circulation, how you can connect to an

00:28:42.780 --> 00:28:49.440
 arterial when it's appropriate, and then bike ped facilities and when they're required.

00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:56.540
 7.9 relates to parking and loading, and this is where we refer to drive-throughs.

00:28:56.540 --> 00:29:01.640
 This is a section that helps us kind of regulate those as well as parking and circulation,

00:29:01.640 --> 00:29:07.620
 making sure that internally that they're providing, you know, major drive aisles, minor drive

00:29:07.620 --> 00:29:12.760
 aisles, and that there's appropriate circulation between parking and building.

00:29:12.760 --> 00:29:15.600
 And then the last section is our subdivision requirements.

00:29:15.600 --> 00:29:22.320
 This is where we require two points of access or, you know, dictate how someone can deviate

00:29:22.320 --> 00:29:26.920
 from that requirement if they can or not.

00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:31.920
 The transportation criteria manual is another way or another document that we look at during

00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:35.320
 the development review process, and that's really the technical requirements.

00:29:35.320 --> 00:29:42.160
 So how wide or how long a drive width or drive approach should be, the actual spacing from

00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:45.160
 an intersection, things like that.

00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:48.880
 And then, you know, going back to functional classification and roadways, that's our mobility

00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:49.880
 plan.

00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:54.420
 We do refer back to what our mobility plan calls out, and so that dictates how much right-of-way

00:29:54.420 --> 00:30:00.220
 we request for a development and whether we need public access easements for sidewalks

00:30:00.220 --> 00:30:02.240
 or trails.

00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:06.920
 And then a lot of this is applied at the zoning compliance and preliminary plan stage.

00:30:06.920 --> 00:30:11.760
 So if you think of initial developments coming in, this is really where we tried to capture

00:30:11.760 --> 00:30:16.920
 all that the DDC and criteria manuals require so that when they go further down the process,

00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:20.560
 we don't have, you know, any transportation-related issues.

00:30:20.560 --> 00:30:26.000
 And then last, TIAs and what you're most familiar with, that's where we identify any mitigation

00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:31.720
 measures that we need to apply to a development to, you know, just facilitate greater mobility

00:30:31.720 --> 00:30:33.920
 and connectivity.

00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:38.480
 With that, I did provide some helpful links that you can take a look at when you have

00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:41.640
 a chance, and I can answer any additional questions that you have.

00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:42.640
 Thanks, Karina.

00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:43.640
 Commissioner Smith?

00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:44.640
 Thank you, Chair.

00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:45.640
 Of course.

00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:46.640
 Just Karina and I having a conversation.

00:30:46.640 --> 00:30:50.160
 I'm happy to have this conversation.

00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:53.400
 On the connectivity, can you go to the connectivity slides just to make sure I can remember my

00:30:53.400 --> 00:30:58.760
 question as I start doing something else.

00:30:58.760 --> 00:31:07.960
 How does transportation planning try to accurately give equal weighting of mobility to vehicular,

00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:10.360
 ped, and bicycle?

00:31:10.360 --> 00:31:16.840
 And that question comes from, I know these are diagrams to make a point, but in a scenario

00:31:16.840 --> 00:31:22.720
 like the development on the right, how can transportation planning as a department come

00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:28.020
 in and say, hey, instead of just building more surface streets that ultimately creates

00:31:28.020 --> 00:31:33.040
 more cost for the city from a maintenance level, how can transportation planning go

00:31:33.040 --> 00:31:38.360
 and say, hey, a recommendation maybe would be for this certain area pay encouraging sidewalk

00:31:38.360 --> 00:31:44.560
 connectivity or bike path connectivity to these facilities that are near school, market,

00:31:44.560 --> 00:31:45.560
 that kind of stuff?

00:31:45.560 --> 00:31:48.880
 And from a transportation planner standpoint, how you can give equal weighting to that and

00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:54.200
 be able to give direction to development when it comes to the criteria manual review?

00:31:54.200 --> 00:31:58.640
 So that's a really good question because a transportation planner brain is very different

00:31:58.640 --> 00:32:02.240
 from an engineering brain even with a focus on transportation.

00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:08.800
 And I like to make that known in the office when I start pestering people.

00:32:08.800 --> 00:32:13.720
 So to answer your question, we don't necessarily have to capture everything at the development

00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:14.720
 review.

00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:17.920
 It's basically short-term implementation of what we want.

00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:24.280
 Where planning has a greater role is when the mobility plan comes forth, identify which

00:32:24.280 --> 00:32:33.400
 roadways we feel have the ability or it's what we desire for that facility to be bike

00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:36.280
 or ped oriented.

00:32:36.280 --> 00:32:41.200
 When we do our small area plans like the Northeast plan that's coming forward or even the downtown

00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:46.240
 master plan, those are opportunities for us to say, hey, this is the context in the land

00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:48.120
 use of the area.

00:32:48.120 --> 00:32:55.080
 We know that in downtown there's a higher need for pedestrian and bicycle safety.

00:32:55.080 --> 00:33:00.360
 So we want to design or indicate that our desire is for the design of these roadways

00:33:00.360 --> 00:33:03.640
 or facilities to meet X, Y, and Z.

00:33:03.640 --> 00:33:08.000
 And then the last point I'll make on it is vision zero is another way that we're trying

00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:13.360
 to emphasize the safety of all road users.

00:33:13.360 --> 00:33:21.040
 I'll say that the safety of vehicular safety has maybe always been there in the city of

00:33:21.040 --> 00:33:25.000
 Denton, but bike ped safety is where we need to do a better job.

00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:32.960
 And so the vision zero efforts might have a greater lean on it while still focusing

00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:35.040
 on all road users.

00:33:35.040 --> 00:33:40.160
 So transportation planning is really at the beginning stage.

00:33:40.160 --> 00:33:42.600
 Planning in general is at the higher level.

00:33:42.600 --> 00:33:50.520
 If you think of it as a kind of zoom out on a map, we are at the higher planning and thinking

00:33:50.520 --> 00:33:51.960
 stage.

00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:56.480
 And then development review and going into these projects is really us implementing what

00:33:56.480 --> 00:33:57.480
 we've envisioned.

00:33:57.480 --> 00:34:03.920
 So what it sounds like you're saying is that really you allow the flume to kind of drive

00:34:03.920 --> 00:34:08.680
 what weighting you give to those three different types of mobility essentially that if you

00:34:08.680 --> 00:34:15.780
 can, I'm not saying specifically that, I know I see your face, but I'm saying that having

00:34:15.780 --> 00:34:20.120
 a future land use map whenever you're looking at say, okay, we going in from transportation

00:34:20.120 --> 00:34:23.360
 planning standpoint, you mentioned the downtown area, right?

00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:27.120
 It's like, hey, this is an area that based off of what we know this use is going to be,

00:34:27.120 --> 00:34:33.240
 which where do we have our use codified most in the future land use map, right?

00:34:33.240 --> 00:34:36.680
 Having that to kind of be able to speak to you as a transportation planner and the transportation

00:34:36.680 --> 00:34:43.120
 planning department to say this area being a budding or next to a use that would probably

00:34:43.120 --> 00:34:51.600
 more susceptible to bike and ped mobility versus if it's a parcel in the middle of the future

00:34:51.600 --> 00:34:57.880
 land use map that is deeply into just low residential, then bike and ped mobility may

00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:00.680
 not be as high as a factor, vehicle mobility is going to be more important.

00:35:00.680 --> 00:35:07.120
 Yes, and that's where the term context sensitive comes into play is we do look at the characteristic

00:35:07.120 --> 00:35:13.560
 of an area, whether that's their land use, the heavy bike ped traffic that might be there,

00:35:13.560 --> 00:35:18.400
 so sometimes in the planning world, especially with sidewalk connectivity, what you'll see

00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:24.440
 is we like to reference goat paths or there's different animal terms that people can apply

00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:31.400
 to it, I've heard very different ones, but I've always used the goat path, but that tells

00:35:31.400 --> 00:35:35.280
 you where people are trying to walk, it tells you the most direct path that they're trying

00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:40.960
 to get to and I was going somewhere with this and my mind kind of rambled on.

00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:42.640
 We can talk over a sandwich later.

00:35:42.640 --> 00:35:47.200
 But context sensitive solution is kind of I think what you're actually alluding to is

00:35:47.200 --> 00:35:52.520
 transportation planning does, we do identify that and then something to think about is

00:35:52.520 --> 00:35:58.400
 even when the city's CIP projects come through, that's an opportunity to think about the context

00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:03.640
 sensitive nature of a roadway and how we can better emphasize bike ped connectivity.

00:36:03.640 --> 00:36:04.640
 Gotcha.

00:36:04.640 --> 00:36:08.320
 I was going to say if I could add to that, really it comes down to very simplistically

00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:13.280
 is what are our goals for the area and it's not just land use space, but it's also taken

00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:16.400
 into consideration what are all of our other policies and goals and objectives that we're

00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:19.640
 trying to achieve for an area.

00:36:19.640 --> 00:36:23.600
 So when we're thinking about planning, I mean Karina's right, we look to our long-range

00:36:23.600 --> 00:36:24.600
 planning goals.

00:36:24.600 --> 00:36:27.960
 We're going to look at when we do the area plans, looking more, doing a deeper dive as

00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:32.360
 to what are we trying to achieve for an area and then looking at what are our mobility

00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:33.520
 goals for the area.

00:36:33.520 --> 00:36:41.800
 So if an area is truly more focused on implementing and having stronger goals associated with

00:36:41.800 --> 00:36:46.160
 bicycle and pedestrian connectivity, then that's going to be more of a primary focus

00:36:46.160 --> 00:36:48.040
 compared to automobile traffic.

00:36:48.040 --> 00:36:53.600
 If an area is going to be more heavily served from an automobile standpoint, and pedestrian

00:36:53.600 --> 00:36:57.400
 and bicycle connectivity is less of a concern within a given area, then obviously our goals

00:36:57.400 --> 00:37:02.240
 and our recommendations and our focus is going to be then on facilitating the automotive.

00:37:02.240 --> 00:37:07.400
 So as she alluded to, it's that bigger picture, but simply it comes down to what are our goals

00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:08.400
 for the area.

00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:11.480
 This is the same bigger picture.

00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:16.760
 And it sounds like the transportation planner role, which I think is a great addition by

00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:23.920
 the way, is yeah, it's going to be more planning and more proactive so that we can be less

00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:28.080
 reactive when we see something like, ah, it's not going to work, but having something in

00:37:28.080 --> 00:37:33.360
 place already so then these developments come forward, we've already got a plan in place

00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:39.600
 that we've thought through, yeah, so we can be better connected.

00:37:39.600 --> 00:37:40.600
 Commissioner Pruitt.

00:37:40.600 --> 00:37:41.600
 Thank you, Chair.

00:37:41.600 --> 00:37:45.580
 Just a couple, hopefully simple ones.

00:37:45.580 --> 00:37:53.100
 You touched on sort of the TIA and that sort of thing.

00:37:53.100 --> 00:37:58.160
 Not sure how much detail or how much to gloss over it, but some of the terms we've heard

00:37:58.160 --> 00:38:02.040
 in the past are trip generation and this kind of thing.

00:38:02.040 --> 00:38:09.080
 My understanding is that essentially there's an average table from some book that somebody

00:38:09.080 --> 00:38:16.760
 published that says that this type of land use for a house or a gym or a school will

00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:22.520
 attract X number of cars during the peak hour of the day and that's sort of what drives

00:38:22.520 --> 00:38:26.760
 the assumed number of car trips on the surrounding roadways.

00:38:26.760 --> 00:38:31.680
 Is that a fair kind of summary?

00:38:31.680 --> 00:38:33.720
 I will say it's an engineering document.

00:38:33.720 --> 00:38:34.720
 Sure.

00:38:34.720 --> 00:38:39.920
 It's something that our traffic engineers would look at during their analysis.

00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:47.040
 They have a different way of looking at land use and it is based on average studies, but

00:38:47.040 --> 00:38:51.600
 it's based on data that's been gathered in several areas and several sites, so it's almost

00:38:51.600 --> 00:39:02.440
 like an average of how that specific use, as they classify it, how many trips are generated

00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:09.360
 based on there's an actual formula and things like that, but when there are uses that are

00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:16.840
 not aligned, that's where you'll see in the TIA or in the review, we will kind of ask

00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:22.760
 a little bit more questions or ask for more data to support why we feel that this development

00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:27.620
 is actually generating more trips than what is shown or less trips.

00:39:27.620 --> 00:39:33.440
 So at least from my understanding, because I'm not a transportation engineer, so I don't

00:39:33.440 --> 00:39:38.040
 want to give a definition of something that I'm not 100 percent clear on, but it is something

00:39:38.040 --> 00:39:45.320
 that we do ask for every development is we use the ITE manual of the latest edition,

00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:51.240
 Institute of Transportation Engineers, their document to submit their trip generation tables.

00:39:51.240 --> 00:39:52.240
 Okay.

00:39:52.240 --> 00:39:57.080
 And then from a planning perspective, I didn't get a chance to read all the links, I'll be

00:39:57.080 --> 00:40:05.080
 anxious to go look at those that you provided, but not to confuse the terminology ladder

00:40:05.080 --> 00:40:06.080
 even further.

00:40:06.080 --> 00:40:12.760
 I promise I didn't come up with this term, so it's not my fault, but I've heard in some

00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:25.120
 circles mobility used to describe sort of the ease of movement or how far you can move

00:40:25.120 --> 00:40:29.480
 within a certain time period, right?

00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:36.600
 And then contrasting that, the accessibility not in an ADA or in an access mode, where

00:40:36.600 --> 00:40:44.780
 you talked about accessing through drive access, would describe how many, what the variety

00:40:44.780 --> 00:40:51.080
 of things that you could get to within that time period, regardless of the mode of travel.

00:40:51.080 --> 00:40:57.680
 So I guess my question is, when we do our planning and we do the TIAs and that sort

00:40:57.680 --> 00:41:08.160
 of thing, there are times when putting another large commercial store in a commercial center

00:41:08.160 --> 00:41:15.440
 are going to increase trips because more people are going to that store now, whereas certain

00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:24.200
 land use decisions where you might put a store in a different position might be in between

00:41:24.200 --> 00:41:30.200
 a longer trip that somebody was taking before, and even though the TIA says it will generate

00:41:30.200 --> 00:41:37.280
 this number of trips, it could actually provide a shorter total trip for somebody to get to

00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:39.600
 like a grocery store, for instance, right?

00:41:39.600 --> 00:41:45.520
 So I guess my question is, at what point are those types of thought processes pulled into

00:41:45.520 --> 00:41:49.040
 the planning process and evaluation of things?

00:41:49.040 --> 00:41:50.400
 Does that make sense?

00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:51.400
 You'll have to forgive me.

00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:52.400
 That was a lot.

00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:53.400
 I'm sorry.

00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:54.400
 Break it down.

00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:55.400
 Yeah.

00:41:55.400 --> 00:42:00.080
 So I heard some stuff about terms.

00:42:00.080 --> 00:42:06.720
 Transportation planning, I'll give you, there's a lot of terms that we use that don't necessarily

00:42:06.720 --> 00:42:11.160
 mean the same thing to someone who doesn't do transportation planning, but that doesn't

00:42:11.160 --> 00:42:12.920
 mean they're invalid.

00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:18.920
 So I think what I'm actually hearing is like, I would compare it to food deserts in the

00:42:18.920 --> 00:42:21.360
 sense that it's like access to a grocery store.

00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:24.040
 Or it could be anything, right?

00:42:24.040 --> 00:42:28.360
 And so what I'm actually hearing is more of a land use issue, I would say.

00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:31.240
 I don't know if Tina wants to jump in on this one.

00:42:31.240 --> 00:42:35.560
 I was going to say, so if I could summarize what you were asking and telling me if I got

00:42:35.560 --> 00:42:44.200
 this right or not, is what I heard from you is at what point in time, say in the site

00:42:44.200 --> 00:42:53.840
 planning process of a commercial site, do we factor in how someone gets to that site

00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:58.360
 and their ease of ability to get to that site?

00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:03.160
 And I would say, and if I got that correct, that's kind of what I took away from the end

00:43:03.160 --> 00:43:05.680
 given the examples that you were given.

00:43:05.680 --> 00:43:10.800
 I've challenged my team to be more thoughtful when we're evaluating site plans.

00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:14.960
 I tell them, set aside the code book for just a moment, right?

00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:19.700
 Look at the site plan and imagine you're driving through the development.

00:43:19.700 --> 00:43:20.880
 Does it make sense?

00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:22.640
 Where are the conflict points?

00:43:22.640 --> 00:43:27.400
 If our goals are to try and focus more on pedestrian and bicycle connectivity, then where

00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:28.480
 is that occurring?

00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:33.280
 We're going to have rules, we'll apply the code book and look at the rules and make sure

00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:35.200
 that those are all addressed.

00:43:35.200 --> 00:43:37.600
 But we also try to apply the common sense aspect.

00:43:37.600 --> 00:43:43.680
 And I think sometimes that gets lost when doing review of projects.

00:43:43.680 --> 00:43:49.200
 And so that's something I've challenged my team to really look at when these developments

00:43:49.200 --> 00:43:52.240
 come in is just, how is this site laid out?

00:43:52.240 --> 00:43:55.640
 I mean, we've got a code requirement that says the front of the buildings have to be

00:43:55.640 --> 00:43:57.300
 oriented towards the street.

00:43:57.300 --> 00:44:00.200
 You would think that's kind of a common sense if you want people to identify where your

00:44:00.200 --> 00:44:05.280
 main entrance is, but also what are we trying to achieve for the area?

00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:12.160
 So I would say we apply that earlier on and we're doing a better job of that now, especially

00:44:12.160 --> 00:44:15.440
 on commercial developments and when we're doing the site planning aspect.

00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:19.080
 So hopefully that helps address your question, if I got it right.

00:44:19.080 --> 00:44:22.640
 You completely understood me, I don't know how you pulled that off, but thank you very

00:44:22.640 --> 00:44:23.640
 much.

00:44:23.640 --> 00:44:31.000
 And it's mostly, you know, it's that plus making sure that we understand that even though

00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:36.800
 a commercial development might normally generate trips, if it's put in a location in the town

00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:43.240
 where it shortens the average trip length, maybe the impact to the overall transportation

00:44:43.240 --> 00:44:46.600
 system is not as much as if it were somewhere else, right?

00:44:46.600 --> 00:44:47.600
 Right.

00:44:47.600 --> 00:44:51.360
 I mean, and that's why, you know, for us, cross access, especially on commercial developments,

00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:58.240
 is really important because in my opinion, and I can get on my soapbox, but it's, especially

00:44:58.240 --> 00:45:02.680
 when you're looking at larger retail developments, there's no reason why someone should have

00:45:02.680 --> 00:45:08.400
 to get out onto the adjacent street to get to the, you know, if I'm at McAlister's and

00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:13.880
 I want to get to what's ever on the next side over, I was drawing a blank on what was over

00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:14.880
 there.

00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:15.880
 Target.

00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:16.880
 Target, thank you.

00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:19.900
 So, but if I'm wanting to get over there, I should be able to circulate internally within

00:45:19.900 --> 00:45:25.780
 the development as a whole and not have to drive out onto university to drive down university

00:45:25.780 --> 00:45:27.040
 to then turn in.

00:45:27.040 --> 00:45:31.800
 I've worked in communities like that where we gave drive approaches out like Halloween

00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:37.000
 candy and everybody got a median opening also, and it made it really challenging for the

00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:38.000
 roadway networks.

00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:42.000
 And so then that's where your level of service then really goes down, right?

00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:48.880
 So it's, you know, we really tried to focus on the site plan aspect or the site planning,

00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:52.920
 not site plan, but the site planning aspect when we're looking at the overall site and

00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:57.280
 circulation because we realized you can get from point A to point B, not necessarily with

00:45:57.280 --> 00:45:59.760
 having to travel on the adjacent roadway.

00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:03.920
 And so that helps then some of our other goals for that area.

00:46:03.920 --> 00:46:07.840
 So, but I would like to say we're doing a better job of that.

00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:14.840
 I had to give a presentation here a few months back, Cameron's not here, Cameron and Scott,

00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:17.760
 and we were talking about the challenges with our transportation planning efforts within

00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:22.840
 the community and I had the negative Nellie portion of the presentation, but part of it

00:46:22.840 --> 00:46:26.480
 is, you know, we could have done a better job with our transportation planning within

00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:27.480
 our community.

00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:30.040
 We're trying to do a much better job looking forward.

00:46:30.040 --> 00:46:35.320
 When we worked on the mobility plan update, we were trying to be very forward thinking.

00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:38.360
 The area plans will also be able to help us in that regard.

00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:42.320
 I think some of our challenges from a transportation aspect, especially from connectivity standpoint

00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:46.760
 also stem from, let's face it, in my opinion, we have our disproportionate share of text

00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:50.120
 dot roadways within our community, nothing against text dot appreciate being a partner

00:46:50.120 --> 00:46:51.120
 with them.

00:46:51.120 --> 00:46:56.320
 But that also creates some challenges also in trying to, you know, they're trying to

00:46:56.320 --> 00:46:59.920
 achieve their goals and sometimes their goals don't necessarily fully align with ours.

00:46:59.920 --> 00:47:05.480
 So we've done a much better job of coordinating with text on and trying to make sure that

00:47:05.480 --> 00:47:08.280
 we're understanding where both parties are coming from and what our goals are for the

00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:09.280
 area.

00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:15.720
 So it's an exciting time for us to be able to really be able to improve how we look at

00:47:15.720 --> 00:47:18.000
 mobility for the future in our community.

00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:22.080
 Commissioner Impro, did you have anything else?

00:47:22.080 --> 00:47:23.080
 No?

00:47:23.080 --> 00:47:24.080
 Okay.

00:47:24.080 --> 00:47:25.080
 Yeah.

00:47:25.080 --> 00:47:26.080
 And I think it's great.

00:47:26.080 --> 00:47:30.120
 I think it just adds to what we're trying to do is plan a little bit of catch up on

00:47:30.120 --> 00:47:34.120
 some things we can't fix because we just didn't have, you know, the right tools in place.

00:47:34.120 --> 00:47:39.600
 But now, you know, with this role, I think it's great to be able to think a little bit

00:47:39.600 --> 00:47:43.600
 further ahead and do more planning than we do not.

00:47:43.600 --> 00:47:46.000
 So that's great.

00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:51.600
 Any other questions, discussion while we have Carina here?

00:47:51.600 --> 00:47:52.600
 No?

00:47:52.600 --> 00:47:53.600
 All right.

00:47:53.600 --> 00:47:54.600
 Thank you for this presentation.

00:47:54.600 --> 00:47:55.600
 You're welcome.

00:47:55.600 --> 00:47:56.600
 It's always great to talk about transportation.

00:47:56.600 --> 00:47:57.600
 I love it.

00:47:57.600 --> 00:48:01.700
 So, again, if you have any other topics that you think of at a later time, happy to bring

00:48:01.700 --> 00:48:05.440
 another boot camp on another specific topic that you have.

00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:06.680
 That's great.

00:48:06.680 --> 00:48:07.680
 Thank you.

00:48:07.680 --> 00:48:14.800
 Okay, with that, I'm going to adjourn our work session at 548 p.m. and we will reconvene

00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:24.720
 in council chambers at 630.

00:48:24.720 --> 00:48:27.940
 Good evening and welcome to the City of Denton's Planning and Zoning Commission meeting for

00:48:27.940 --> 00:48:31.640
 Wednesday, January 11th, 2023.

00:48:31.640 --> 00:48:36.120
 With a quorum present, I will call us to order at 631 p.m.

00:48:36.120 --> 00:48:40.080
 First item on our agenda is the Pledge of Allegiance to the U.S. and Texas Flags.

00:48:40.080 --> 00:48:48.560
 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for

00:48:48.560 --> 00:48:56.440
 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

00:48:56.440 --> 00:49:04.280
 On the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state, under God, one and

00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:05.280
 indivisible.

00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:10.440
 Thank you.

00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:11.640
 Thank you.

00:49:11.640 --> 00:49:16.480
 Next item on our agenda is the approval of the Planning and Zoning Commission minutes.

00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:24.000
 They are from December 14th, one as this group stands as the CIAC committee and one for our

00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:26.240
 regular meeting minutes.

00:49:26.240 --> 00:49:27.240
 Commissioner Villarreal.

00:49:27.240 --> 00:49:33.840
 I move approval of the PNZ and CIAC meeting minutes from December 14th.

00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:34.840
 Thank you.

00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:35.840
 Commissioner Anderson.

00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:36.840
 A second.

00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:37.840
 Okay.

00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:38.840
 We've got a first and a second for approval.

00:49:38.840 --> 00:49:39.840
 Any discussion?

00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:40.840
 Okay.

00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:47.840
 Let's vote, please.

00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:50.340
 Okay.

00:49:50.340 --> 00:49:52.620
 That motion carries 7-0.

00:49:52.620 --> 00:49:56.320
 That will take us to our consent agenda for the evening.

00:49:56.320 --> 00:50:00.840
 Chair can entertain a motion or discussion on this.

00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:01.840
 Commissioner Anderson.

00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:05.080
 Make a motion to approve the consent agenda.

00:50:05.080 --> 00:50:06.080
 Commissioner Cole.

00:50:06.080 --> 00:50:07.080
 Second.

00:50:07.080 --> 00:50:08.080
 Okay.

00:50:08.080 --> 00:50:09.980
 We've got a first and a second for approval of the consent agenda.

00:50:09.980 --> 00:50:10.980
 Any discussion?

00:50:10.980 --> 00:50:11.980
 Okay.

00:50:11.980 --> 00:50:21.680
 Let's vote on the board, please.

00:50:21.680 --> 00:50:25.000
 That motion carries 7-0.

00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:29.080
 Next that moves us to our items for individual consideration.

00:50:29.080 --> 00:50:32.920
 Item A is the election of chair and vice chair.

00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:33.920
 Commissioner Villarreal.

00:50:33.920 --> 00:50:39.040
 I'd like to nominate our current chair, Margie Ellis, for another term.

00:50:39.040 --> 00:50:40.040
 Commissioner Perot.

00:50:40.040 --> 00:50:42.040
 I will second.

00:50:42.040 --> 00:50:43.040
 Okay.

00:50:43.040 --> 00:50:46.920
 We've got a first and a second to leave me right where I am in this seat.

00:50:46.920 --> 00:50:49.520
 Any discussion or other nominations?

00:50:49.520 --> 00:50:50.520
 Okay.

00:50:50.520 --> 00:50:58.200
 Seeing none, let's go ahead and vote on the board, please.

00:50:58.200 --> 00:51:02.160
 Okay.

00:51:02.160 --> 00:51:04.480
 That motion carries 7-0.

00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:05.960
 Thank you.

00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:06.960
 Commissioner Pruitt.

00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:11.200
 I'll move to nominate Tim Smith for vice chair.

00:51:11.200 --> 00:51:12.200
 Commissioner Villarreal.

00:51:12.200 --> 00:51:13.200
 I second.

00:51:13.200 --> 00:51:18.400
 We've got a first and a second to vote vice chair, Tim Smith, to vice chair.

00:51:18.400 --> 00:51:20.360
 I accept the nomination.

00:51:20.360 --> 00:51:21.360
 Okay.

00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:22.360
 Okay.

00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:23.360
 Any other discussion?

00:51:23.360 --> 00:51:24.360
 Other nominations?

00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:25.360
 Okay.

00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:32.400
 Let's vote on the board, please.

00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:35.040
 That motion carries 7-0.

00:51:35.040 --> 00:51:40.880
 That will move us to 4B, which has been withdrawn by the applicant, so we will not be taking

00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:45.100
 any action on that item for this evening.

00:51:45.100 --> 00:51:48.600
 That will move us to our public hearing items for this evening.

00:51:48.600 --> 00:51:55.640
 And before we get started, let me make note that item 5E, that will be postponed tonight,

00:51:55.640 --> 00:51:57.280
 so we will not be taking action on that.

00:51:57.280 --> 00:52:00.520
 We will be looking to postpone that item to January 25th.

00:52:00.520 --> 00:52:02.800
 That's item 5E.

00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:07.720
 So with that, 5A is Z220015.

00:52:07.720 --> 00:52:09.000
 Ashley's on her way up for presentation.

00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:10.840
 I will open the public hearing.

00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:12.800
 Good evening.

00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:13.800
 Hi.

00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:18.200
 Ashley Eckstad, Assistant Planner, City of Denton.

00:52:18.200 --> 00:52:22.480
 This item is Z220015.

00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:26.880
 This is AFCM Swisher Rezoning.

00:52:26.880 --> 00:52:32.360
 This is a request to rezone approximately 4.18 acres from residential/rural to residential

00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:33.360
 1.

00:52:33.360 --> 00:52:37.520
 The reason for this request is that the site is currently nonconforming with the RR zonings

00:52:37.520 --> 00:52:42.600
 as it does not meet the minimum 5-acre lot size in RR zoning.

00:52:42.600 --> 00:52:47.320
 It is generally located on the west side of Swisher Road, approximately 2,800 feet north

00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:51.800
 of Edwards Road, and staff does recommend approval as it is consistent with the future

00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:55.720
 land use map and meets the criteria for approval.

00:52:55.720 --> 00:52:59.880
 The criteria for approval is outlined in DDC Subchapter 2.

00:52:59.880 --> 00:53:04.320
 The R1 zoning on this site is consistent with the Denton 2040 Comprehensive Plan.

00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:08.200
 The subject property's future land use is low residential.

00:53:08.200 --> 00:53:12.920
 This site will be served by well water and septic system, and the minimum lot size is

00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:16.040
 2 acres, according to the DDC.

00:53:16.040 --> 00:53:21.920
 Therefore this 4.1 acre site would not be able to be subdivided into more than 2 lots.

00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:26.500
 R1 zoning is more restrictive than RR zoning, so the subject property is not expected to

00:53:26.500 --> 00:53:30.680
 have any adverse impacts on surrounding properties.

00:53:30.680 --> 00:53:36.920
 This property was annexed in 2013 and given placeholder zoning of RD5X, which was transitioned

00:53:36.920 --> 00:53:41.120
 to RR zoning with the adoption of the 2019 DDC.

00:53:41.120 --> 00:53:44.680
 Since it does not meet the minimum lot size requirement, it cannot currently be platted

00:53:44.680 --> 00:53:48.440
 and it is currently unusable.

00:53:48.440 --> 00:53:53.080
 We posted notices in newspapers on the website and a sign was posted on the property.

00:53:53.080 --> 00:53:56.760
 We mailed out notices within 200 feet and 500 feet.

00:53:56.760 --> 00:54:01.360
 We did not receive any responses in opposition or in favor.

00:54:01.360 --> 00:54:07.740
 They did not hold a neighborhood meeting, but they did speak to several neighbors directly.

00:54:07.740 --> 00:54:11.920
 Staff does recommend approval of this request as it complies with the criteria, and the

00:54:11.920 --> 00:54:16.960
 next step would be a public hearing at City Council on February 7, and I'm happy to answer

00:54:16.960 --> 00:54:17.960
 any questions.

00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:19.440
 Thank you, Ashley.

00:54:19.440 --> 00:54:21.840
 Any questions for Ashley?

00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:22.960
 I will just ask one.

00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:26.160
 Did they let you know if the neighbors gave any opinion?

00:54:26.160 --> 00:54:30.160
 They said that the neighbors that they talked to were in favor of it.

00:54:30.160 --> 00:54:35.720
 They said that right now that there is homeless people and other people going up and down

00:54:35.720 --> 00:54:40.480
 that access that they have there, so they said the neighbors were interested in someone

00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:43.040
 actually developing that site back there.

00:54:43.040 --> 00:54:46.840
 Thank you for sharing that and I was curious.

00:54:46.840 --> 00:54:49.000
 I don't see any other questions, Ashley.

00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:50.000
 This is a public hearing.

00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:55.720
 I don't have any cards right now to speak on this item, but anyone here who wishes to

00:54:55.720 --> 00:55:00.760
 speak on this item may do so.

00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:05.640
 Seeing none, I will close the public hearing and open the floor to discussion or motion.

00:55:05.640 --> 00:55:06.640
 Commissioner Smith?

00:55:06.640 --> 00:55:08.360
 Make a motion to approve.

00:55:08.360 --> 00:55:09.360
 Commissioner Anderson?

00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:10.360
 Second.

00:55:10.360 --> 00:55:13.520
 And a second for approval.

00:55:13.520 --> 00:55:14.520
 Any discussion?

00:55:14.520 --> 00:55:15.520
 Okay.

00:55:15.520 --> 00:55:24.760
 Let's go ahead and vote, please.

00:55:24.760 --> 00:55:26.680
 That motion carries 7-0.

00:55:26.680 --> 00:55:30.680
 That will take us to 5BZ220005.

00:55:30.680 --> 00:55:32.040
 Ron's on his way up for presentation.

00:55:32.040 --> 00:55:33.680
 I will go ahead and open the public hearing.

00:55:33.680 --> 00:55:34.680
 Hi, Ron.

00:55:34.680 --> 00:55:39.680
 Good evening, Chair, members of the commission.

00:55:39.680 --> 00:55:47.680
 As introduced, this is a zoning request to zone a subject property, as shown here, to

00:55:47.680 --> 00:55:50.520
 Light Industrial, LI Ditch Zoning District.

00:55:50.520 --> 00:55:54.120
 The property is approximately 82.96 acres.

00:55:54.120 --> 00:55:58.680
 As mentioned in the work session, this was recently annexed into the city, therefore

00:55:58.680 --> 00:56:03.240
 the next step in developing the property would be to zone the property and again the applicant

00:56:03.240 --> 00:56:05.800
 is looking to zone the property to LI.

00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:09.620
 Currently, as you can see, it's currently undeveloped.

00:56:09.620 --> 00:56:16.840
 The applicant has informed the staff that it would be developed as an industrial use.

00:56:16.840 --> 00:56:21.680
 Per the future land use map, as you can see, the area that is outlined in red is where

00:56:21.680 --> 00:56:27.600
 the subject site is located and is designated as Light Industrial.

00:56:27.600 --> 00:56:33.320
 Staff did look at the subject property and analyzed it against the criteria for approval

00:56:33.320 --> 00:56:40.520
 in the development code and have determined that the subject zoning request is consistent

00:56:40.520 --> 00:56:42.920
 with the comprehensive plan.

00:56:42.920 --> 00:56:46.120
 It is consistent with the purpose statement of LI.

00:56:46.120 --> 00:56:50.920
 Also, there is no adverse impact anticipated.

00:56:50.920 --> 00:56:55.560
 As far as utility and infrastructure, those will be constructed and extended as part of

00:56:55.560 --> 00:56:59.240
 the development.

00:56:59.240 --> 00:57:00.240
 Notifications were sent out.

00:57:00.240 --> 00:57:05.040
 Notifications were posted, specifically for the public hearing.

00:57:05.040 --> 00:57:09.640
 There were two responses to the notice that were sent out.

00:57:09.640 --> 00:57:13.840
 One was from the property owner and one was from the property owner that's located in

00:57:13.840 --> 00:57:17.000
 this area here that's shown in green.

00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:22.480
 There was no neighbourhood meeting, but it is my understanding that the applicant did

00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:28.860
 speak to the adjacent residents and the applicant is here and present and will have the presentation

00:57:28.860 --> 00:57:36.200
 as well and will go further on what was discussed with those neighbours that they met with.

00:57:36.200 --> 00:57:42.400
 With that, staff recommends approval for the initial zoning of the property as it complies

00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:49.280
 with the sections that are outlined here, 245E as well as 272D of the Denton Development

00:57:49.280 --> 00:57:50.280
 Code.

00:57:50.280 --> 00:57:52.160
 With that, I'll stand for any questions.

00:57:52.160 --> 00:57:53.640
 Thank you, Ron.

00:57:53.640 --> 00:57:56.040
 Any questions for Ron at this time?

00:57:56.040 --> 00:57:57.040
 Okay.

00:57:57.040 --> 00:57:59.240
 I do not see any at this time.

00:57:59.240 --> 00:58:00.240
 Thanks, Ron.

00:58:00.240 --> 00:58:01.240
 Okay.

00:58:01.240 --> 00:58:02.240
 I do have a card to speak.

00:58:02.240 --> 00:58:09.160
 I will go ahead and invite Amy with 97 Land Company up to the podium to begin presentation.

00:58:09.160 --> 00:58:10.640
 I think you're speaking as a group.

00:58:10.640 --> 00:58:11.640
 Thank you.

00:58:11.640 --> 00:58:14.460
 We are speaking as a group and actually Charles Knowlton with Skinnell Properties is going

00:58:14.460 --> 00:58:15.460
 to start.

00:58:15.460 --> 00:58:16.460
 Great.

00:58:16.460 --> 00:58:17.460
 I will go ahead and load the presentation.

00:58:17.460 --> 00:58:18.460
 Thank you.

00:58:18.460 --> 00:58:19.460
 Get us going.

00:58:19.460 --> 00:58:23.600
 I'll introduce Charles and let him take over first.

00:58:23.600 --> 00:58:24.600
 Thank you.

00:58:24.600 --> 00:58:25.600
 Good evening.

00:58:25.600 --> 00:58:26.600
 Hello.

00:58:26.600 --> 00:58:27.600
 This is Charles Knowlton, Skinnell Properties.

00:58:27.600 --> 00:58:28.600
 I appreciate the opportunity to be here tonight.

00:58:28.600 --> 00:58:36.800
 I want to give a quick overview of the company before Amy dives in.

00:58:36.800 --> 00:58:37.800
 Sorry.

00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:42.120
 Skinnell Properties is a privately-held real estate development company based in Indianapolis.

00:58:42.120 --> 00:58:46.160
 We've got eight satellite offices throughout the U.S.

00:58:46.160 --> 00:58:49.000
 Our bread and butter is class A industrial development.

00:58:49.000 --> 00:58:52.480
 We've developed in 44 of the 50 states.

00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:57.080
 We've got two projects currently in Denton right now on Western Boulevard just west of

00:58:57.080 --> 00:59:03.120
 I-35 and looking forward to trying to get a third one going.

00:59:03.120 --> 00:59:09.360
 So that's it from the Skinnell standpoint and I'll let Amy come up here and finish the

00:59:09.360 --> 00:59:10.360
 presentation.

00:59:10.360 --> 00:59:11.560
 I'm here for any questions.

00:59:11.560 --> 00:59:12.560
 Thank you.

00:59:12.560 --> 00:59:15.320
 Do we need to name an address from Charles or from me?

00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:16.320
 I'll just do it.

00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:17.320
 How about that?

00:59:17.320 --> 00:59:21.120
 Amy, visit 109 North Elm, Denton, Texas 76201.

00:59:21.120 --> 00:59:22.760
 Thank you.

00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:29.200
 I'm not going to rehash what Ron has summarized for you.

00:59:29.200 --> 00:59:32.800
 I do want to let you know that we started with annexation and this property is subject

00:59:32.800 --> 00:59:37.160
 to a non-annexation agreement that's roughly 376 acres.

00:59:37.160 --> 00:59:45.120
 We amended that non-annexation agreement to exclude this 83 acres roughly from that and

00:59:45.120 --> 00:59:49.240
 that petition was initiated in April of last year.

00:59:49.240 --> 00:59:57.160
 We went to two public hearings with City Council and the annexation was completed in December

00:59:57.160 --> 01:00:01.120
 on December 6th as well as the amended non-annexation agreement.

01:00:01.120 --> 01:00:07.120
 So this property was brought into the city at the end of last year in order for us to

01:00:07.120 --> 01:00:10.360
 be able to proceed to zoning tonight.

01:00:10.360 --> 01:00:15.200
 So the zoning map here does show that an initial zoning designation or a placeholder zoning

01:00:15.200 --> 01:00:21.080
 designation was provided at that point in time and that we are proposing to rezone to light

01:00:21.080 --> 01:00:24.000
 industrial.

01:00:24.000 --> 01:00:25.320
 Ron already covered this slide.

01:00:25.320 --> 01:00:28.880
 It is light industrial designation in the future land use plan.

01:00:28.880 --> 01:00:35.200
 I want to show you a couple of slides of concept plan and rendering even though we recognize

01:00:35.200 --> 01:00:37.920
 that these are non-binding as a part of zoning.

01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:42.560
 We are looking at roughly a million square feet of industrial space, two buildings that

01:00:42.560 --> 01:00:50.000
 are bisected by an existing Atmos gas transmission line that you see here.

01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:58.360
 This is Barthold, actually north is to the right hand side of your screen and here is

01:00:58.360 --> 01:01:02.980
 a rendering of one of those buildings.

01:01:02.980 --> 01:01:07.880
 We do have an approved traffic study that accompanied this zoning request.

01:01:07.880 --> 01:01:12.280
 It has shown that a westbound right hand turn lane is warranted.

01:01:12.280 --> 01:01:17.720
 Barthold Road was considered in both its current condition and its ultimate build out condition

01:01:17.720 --> 01:01:27.080
 and it was considered that I-35 and Barthold Road exchange has impending improvements that

01:01:27.080 --> 01:01:35.240
 will improve the conditions in terms of the level of service at that intersection prior

01:01:35.240 --> 01:01:41.400
 to this coming online and the determination was made that all intersections will operate

01:01:41.400 --> 01:01:48.240
 at an acceptable LLC through the horizon scenario of 2029.

01:01:48.240 --> 01:01:51.440
 What I really want to get up here and talk to you about tonight is our neighborhood engagement

01:01:51.440 --> 01:01:58.640
 because we do have one immediately adjacent residential land owner who owns their home

01:01:58.640 --> 01:02:01.080
 in this location.

01:02:01.080 --> 01:02:04.520
 Outside of that, we are surrounded by either the seller's property that is undeveloped

01:02:04.520 --> 01:02:11.160
 or current and proposed light industrial uses that are underway today, but we do have a

01:02:11.160 --> 01:02:19.720
 single family owner that we, rather than doing a neighborhood meeting as a whole, we mailed

01:02:19.720 --> 01:02:24.980
 a letter directly to that owner who is with us tonight actually and you can ask them questions

01:02:24.980 --> 01:02:30.280
 if you would like, and went to their home and met with them a couple of times to talk

01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:40.160
 about the impact to their quality of life and their property values and their home and

01:02:40.160 --> 01:02:45.000
 so I want to just talk to you a little bit about where we are in terms of conversation

01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:46.400
 with them.

01:02:46.400 --> 01:02:53.600
 So I want you to see here this is their single family home and here is building one of our

01:02:53.600 --> 01:02:56.600
 development just looking at the scale of things.

01:02:56.600 --> 01:03:04.760
 This is a significant impact to them and they invited us into their home and have been very

01:03:04.760 --> 01:03:11.200
 willing to work with us and talk through how we can make this mitigate the impacts to them

01:03:11.200 --> 01:03:15.400
 and so we are working on a memorandum of understanding.

01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:21.920
 In fact, they actually brought it back signed tonight and handed us an original where two

01:03:21.920 --> 01:03:23.280
 things are being contemplated.

01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:28.840
 The first will be a screening wall that will be somewhere in the neighborhood of 70 feet

01:03:28.840 --> 01:03:35.360
 long and eight feet tall that's clad with masonry that matches their home that is structurally

01:03:35.360 --> 01:03:40.560
 engineered that will essentially block the view not only of this development but also

01:03:40.560 --> 01:03:46.360
 of the other industrial developments that are occurring to the east of here.

01:03:46.360 --> 01:03:53.480
 They fortunately recognize the future land use designation here and have been great to

01:03:53.480 --> 01:03:59.640
 work with frankly under the circumstances so that would be that wall would be constructed

01:03:59.640 --> 01:04:07.080
 at Skinnell's cost and to a mutually agreed upon design and then secondly we have been

01:04:07.080 --> 01:04:14.120
 discussing the alignment of their existing driveway that is curved here with our first

01:04:14.120 --> 01:04:21.960
 entry way off of the western most entry into the development, how to align that in such

01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:26.920
 a way that is has the least negative impact on them.

01:04:26.920 --> 01:04:32.000
 Today they have an access that is further west but that is going away because of the

01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:38.880
 text dot right away taking associated with the widening of Barthold Road so we have within

01:04:38.880 --> 01:04:46.420
 that MOU agreed to mutually seek the best solution as it relates to how those drives

01:04:46.420 --> 01:04:52.300
 intersect with each other so that we can minimize the impact to them and how to pay for any

01:04:52.300 --> 01:04:59.300
 cost associated with the realignment between that access point and their home to make the

01:04:59.300 --> 01:05:02.600
 topography and the fencing and everything else work.

01:05:02.600 --> 01:05:08.240
 They sit up on a hill and have a perfect view of I-35 and everything in between from their

01:05:08.240 --> 01:05:15.240
 home and so we have made an effort to really minimize or where we can negate the impact

01:05:15.240 --> 01:05:18.840
 to their property specifically.

01:05:18.840 --> 01:05:23.000
 We have also committed to doing a mailing, I will be honest it hasn't gone out yet but

01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:28.560
 we are going to do a mailing that just notifies the other property owners within 500 feet

01:05:28.560 --> 01:05:35.640
 to call us if they have any questions or concerns but most of those on the east side are current

01:05:35.640 --> 01:05:40.200
 or former clients of mine and I have already worked with them and then the west side is

01:05:40.200 --> 01:05:47.280
 primarily is completely the seller of the property so that is all I have to present

01:05:47.280 --> 01:05:53.040
 and we are both Charles and I are available to answer any questions that you may have.

01:05:53.040 --> 01:05:54.040
 Thank you.

01:05:54.040 --> 01:05:55.040
 Thank you.

01:05:55.040 --> 01:05:58.360
 Any questions right now for the applicant developer?

01:05:58.360 --> 01:05:59.360
 Okay.

01:05:59.360 --> 01:06:00.360
 Thank you.

01:06:00.360 --> 01:06:02.800
 Now at this time thank you so much.

01:06:02.800 --> 01:06:07.400
 I don't have any other cards, people wishing to speak on this item but it is a public hearing

01:06:07.400 --> 01:06:13.360
 so if you would like to come say anything about this project you are welcome to do so.

01:06:13.360 --> 01:06:16.040
 Just give your name and address and your time will begin.

01:06:16.040 --> 01:06:17.040
 Good evening.

01:06:17.040 --> 01:06:18.040
 I am Art Smuck, SMUCK.

01:06:18.040 --> 01:06:20.000
 I live at 5100 Barthold Road, 76207.

01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:26.080
 I have been at more zoning meetings in the three years I have lived in Denton than my

01:06:26.080 --> 01:06:27.880
 entire life in combination.

01:06:27.880 --> 01:06:34.240
 I will say this, you know, 97 Land and Schenell have been proactive.

01:06:34.240 --> 01:06:37.840
 You know, they reached out for us before we had a whiff of the project and we have been

01:06:37.840 --> 01:06:42.040
 pretty sensitized by TextDOT and some of the other stuff that goes on in our area.

01:06:42.040 --> 01:06:46.840
 And so they have been very proactive, very considerate of what the impact to us is going

01:06:46.840 --> 01:06:52.160
 to be, very collaborative, very open to our input and ideas and I would tell you it is

01:06:52.160 --> 01:06:57.080
 the first time in the three, four years we have been there, can I say rat's ass?

01:06:57.080 --> 01:07:01.720
 That somebody has given a rat's ass about the impact to us and I said it.

01:07:01.720 --> 01:07:05.120
 So we are very appreciative of it, we are very supportive of where we are at with them.

01:07:05.120 --> 01:07:10.060
 We have an executed MOU at this point of kind of the things we see that we will need to

01:07:10.060 --> 01:07:14.600
 kind of keep our tenure there going in a condition that is acceptable for us.

01:07:14.600 --> 01:07:17.080
 So everybody should approach it the way they are.

01:07:17.080 --> 01:07:18.080
 So thank you.

01:07:18.080 --> 01:07:19.080
 Agreed.

01:07:19.080 --> 01:07:20.080
 Thank you, Mr. Smuck.

01:07:20.080 --> 01:07:24.680
 Anybody with questions?

01:07:24.680 --> 01:07:30.040
 I guess the only thing I would want to say is, yeah, love the engagement and that is

01:07:30.040 --> 01:07:31.200
 all great.

01:07:31.200 --> 01:07:34.620
 What we are considering tonight is just a straight zoning case.

01:07:34.620 --> 01:07:42.640
 So if for whatever reason the project with Skinnell does not happen, there is no guarantee

01:07:42.640 --> 01:07:48.720
 here or City Council in the end will have the final say on this, that anything with

01:07:48.720 --> 01:07:52.880
 your MOU or anything, you know, that is nothing that is protected with regard to, you know,

01:07:52.880 --> 01:07:53.880
 our purview.

01:07:53.880 --> 01:07:54.880
 Very well.

01:07:54.880 --> 01:07:55.880
 Very good.

01:07:55.880 --> 01:07:59.380
 This is a public hearing.

01:07:59.380 --> 01:08:03.000
 Is there anyone else wishing to speak on this item?

01:08:03.000 --> 01:08:04.840
 Okay.

01:08:04.840 --> 01:08:10.040
 Seeing none, I will close the public hearing and open the floor for discussion or a motion.

01:08:10.040 --> 01:08:11.040
 Commissioner Smith.

01:08:11.040 --> 01:08:13.400
 Make a motion to approve.

01:08:13.400 --> 01:08:14.400
 Commissioner Villarreal.

01:08:14.400 --> 01:08:15.400
 Second.

01:08:15.400 --> 01:08:17.680
 We have a first and a second for approval.

01:08:17.680 --> 01:08:19.680
 Any discussion?

01:08:19.680 --> 01:08:21.160
 Okay.

01:08:21.160 --> 01:08:27.000
 I will just say once again, I think the collaborative nature of how this has gone about is really

01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:28.000
 superb.

01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:35.040
 It is a -- yeah, it is a gold star of how things should be done when developing land.

01:08:35.040 --> 01:08:37.360
 Okay.

01:08:37.360 --> 01:08:40.460
 So we are having technical difficulties here.

01:08:40.460 --> 01:08:42.000
 So we have to hand vote.

01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:46.640
 So I will go ahead and take a roll call unless there is any other comments or discussion

01:08:46.640 --> 01:08:48.640
 by the Commission.

01:08:48.640 --> 01:08:50.120
 Okay.

01:08:50.120 --> 01:08:51.120
 Commissioner Smith.

01:08:51.120 --> 01:08:52.120
 Aye.

01:08:52.120 --> 01:08:53.120
 Commissioner Villarreal.

01:08:53.120 --> 01:08:54.120
 Aye.

01:08:54.120 --> 01:08:55.120
 Commissioner Pruitt.

01:08:55.120 --> 01:08:56.120
 Aye.

01:08:56.120 --> 01:08:57.120
 Commissioner McDade.

01:08:57.120 --> 01:08:58.120
 Aye.

01:08:58.120 --> 01:08:59.120
 Commissioner Anderson.

01:08:59.120 --> 01:09:00.120
 Aye.

01:09:00.120 --> 01:09:01.120
 Commissioner Cole.

01:09:01.120 --> 01:09:02.120
 Aye.

01:09:02.120 --> 01:09:03.640
 Chair is also an aye.

01:09:03.640 --> 01:09:05.640
 That motion carries 7-0.

01:09:05.640 --> 01:09:06.640
 Congratulations.

01:09:06.640 --> 01:09:07.640
 Okay.

01:09:07.640 --> 01:09:12.000
 We will move on now to 5C, that's S220009.

01:09:12.000 --> 01:09:17.000
 We will invite Julie Wyatt up for presentation and open the public hearing.

01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:18.000
 Good evening.

01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:21.000
 Can I pull up my presentation?

01:09:21.000 --> 01:09:29.000
 All right, good evening, I'm Julie Wyatt, Senior Planner with the City of Denton.

01:09:29.000 --> 01:09:35.520
 I'm presenting S220009, Forest Crossing, Phase 2.

01:09:35.520 --> 01:09:41.420
 So the request before you is for a specific use permit to permit 360 multifamily dwellings

01:09:41.420 --> 01:09:47.400
 on approximately 16 acres in a suburban corridor district, that's an SC district.

01:09:47.400 --> 01:09:54.120
 Just to place the site and the mobility and all of the parameters and the context around

01:09:54.120 --> 01:09:59.680
 it, it's located west of Mayhill, north of McKinney.

01:09:59.680 --> 01:10:05.280
 It's an area that has primarily undeveloped right now, but a lot's been happening.

01:10:05.280 --> 01:10:06.720
 And so I want to talk through that.

01:10:06.720 --> 01:10:10.240
 So first, Loop 288 is to the west of the site.

01:10:10.240 --> 01:10:13.360
 It's an arterial with six lanes divided road.

01:10:13.360 --> 01:10:19.360
 There are future plans for a side path along Loop 288.

01:10:19.360 --> 01:10:23.160
 We're not sure what side of the road or if both sides of the road will accommodate that

01:10:23.160 --> 01:10:26.520
 side path, but there are plans for that.

01:10:26.520 --> 01:10:28.640
 Mayhill Road was recently completed.

01:10:28.640 --> 01:10:34.360
 It's an arterial with six vehicular lanes, a center median, a 10-foot side path on the

01:10:34.360 --> 01:10:38.360
 east side, and then a five-foot sidewalk on the west side.

01:10:38.360 --> 01:10:46.360
 Hummingbird is currently a street that is located just west of Loop 288, but it will

01:10:46.360 --> 01:10:53.000
 be extended and it will punch across Loop 288 and eventually connect to Mills at Mayhill.

01:10:53.000 --> 01:11:00.000
 So if this is approved and with the development of the site, Hummingbird adjacent to this

01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:05.240
 subject property would be constructed, and then it would continue on to the west as other

01:11:05.240 --> 01:11:07.340
 properties develop.

01:11:07.340 --> 01:11:11.200
 And then there's also future multifamily to the south of the subject property.

01:11:11.200 --> 01:11:12.840
 Some of you are probably aware of that.

01:11:12.840 --> 01:11:16.340
 You were probably on planning and zoning when that was approved.

01:11:16.340 --> 01:11:23.320
 There's also future commercial pad sites along Loop 288 that are under development now.

01:11:23.320 --> 01:11:28.640
 And so that's kind of what's going on with the general area.

01:11:28.640 --> 01:11:33.360
 As part of an SUP, we always see a site plan, a landscape plan, and elevations.

01:11:33.360 --> 01:11:36.840
 I won't go through everything, but I do want to point out some highlights.

01:11:36.840 --> 01:11:41.240
 First of all, as I mentioned, they're proposing 360 units, that's one, two, and three bedroom

01:11:41.240 --> 01:11:43.880
 units.

01:11:43.880 --> 01:11:48.560
 Amenities on site include a clubhouse, community pool, pedestrian pathways.

01:11:48.560 --> 01:11:54.060
 They have a large tree preservation area outlined here in blue, which is something that we worked

01:11:54.060 --> 01:11:59.480
 with them to maintain those trees in that larger tree stand.

01:11:59.480 --> 01:12:04.780
 They've got parking, 597 vehicular parking spaces.

01:12:04.780 --> 01:12:07.040
 They have access to that future Hummingbird.

01:12:07.040 --> 01:12:11.080
 As I mentioned, they will be building the entire section of Hummingbird adjacent to

01:12:11.080 --> 01:12:12.340
 their property.

01:12:12.340 --> 01:12:16.680
 So from May Hill all the way to their west property line, they would be constructing

01:12:16.680 --> 01:12:19.820
 both those east and westbound lanes.

01:12:19.820 --> 01:12:24.880
 Also an eight foot side path along that south end of Hummingbird.

01:12:24.880 --> 01:12:28.800
 Their buildings are sited so that they define the street along Hummingbird.

01:12:28.800 --> 01:12:33.800
 And with each of those buildings are two pedestrian connections to that future side path on Hummingbird.

01:12:33.800 --> 01:12:37.800
 That was something that we wanted to see those pedestrian connections, particularly given

01:12:37.800 --> 01:12:44.560
 those mobility improvements that the city is doing in the area.

01:12:44.560 --> 01:12:50.100
 Also one other mobility improvement is they have submitted a TIA and that's under review.

01:12:50.100 --> 01:12:57.880
 As part of that, they will be constructing a left-hand turn lane on May Hill connecting

01:12:57.880 --> 01:12:59.880
 to that future Hummingbird.

01:12:59.880 --> 01:13:03.080
 There's a signal there now, they will have to make some improvements to that signal to

01:13:03.080 --> 01:13:07.600
 make sure it aligns correctly, but there is that left turn lane to provide refuge for

01:13:07.600 --> 01:13:09.960
 people who are going to be turning left.

01:13:09.960 --> 01:13:14.100
 One other connection there, connecting to this proposed driveway for the multifamily

01:13:14.100 --> 01:13:17.880
 to the south, they're going to share that driveway access.

01:13:17.880 --> 01:13:23.000
 Make sure that we limit those access points on May Hill since it is an arterial and also

01:13:23.000 --> 01:13:27.200
 that is a median opening.

01:13:27.200 --> 01:13:29.320
 As I mentioned, they provided a landscape plan.

01:13:29.320 --> 01:13:32.520
 Couple of things I want to highlight, they are providing those foundation plantings to

01:13:32.520 --> 01:13:35.560
 define the front door to those buildings.

01:13:35.560 --> 01:13:41.040
 New tree plantings in those common areas and those shared spaces, particularly in the proposed

01:13:41.040 --> 01:13:47.480
 dog park area and around those detention areas to naturalize those detention areas, particularly

01:13:47.480 --> 01:13:48.960
 because they're adjacent to those roadways.

01:13:48.960 --> 01:13:52.880
 We want to make sure they look like good natural areas.

01:13:52.880 --> 01:13:57.080
 One thing that we talked about with the applicant and talked about internally was tree preservation.

01:13:57.080 --> 01:14:01.160
 This site has quite a few trees and that is an asset to the site.

01:14:01.160 --> 01:14:04.140
 We wanted to make sure we preserved as many as possible.

01:14:04.140 --> 01:14:15.700
 The Denton Development Code requires 30% preservation of heritage and quality inches on site.

01:14:15.700 --> 01:14:19.840
 You can drop down to 20% if you do additional mitigation.

01:14:19.840 --> 01:14:23.880
 We felt like we wanted some thresholds on that, so we are proposing a condition that

01:14:23.880 --> 01:14:27.140
 they can't drop below 27%.

01:14:27.140 --> 01:14:30.480
 They've submitted a tree preservation plan and our landscape planner has been reviewing

01:14:30.480 --> 01:14:34.920
 it and they feel comfortable with that number.

01:14:34.920 --> 01:14:37.840
 As with any project, we look at the comprehensive plan.

01:14:37.840 --> 01:14:40.880
 This property is within a community mixed use area.

01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:46.360
 You can see on the map that it's that large pink area that really hugs that intersection

01:14:46.360 --> 01:14:49.640
 of Loop 288 and McKinney.

01:14:49.640 --> 01:14:53.460
 Commercial uses are typically primary within community mixed use, but we want to see that

01:14:53.460 --> 01:15:01.520
 residential to support those businesses, those services, and any employment uses.

01:15:01.520 --> 01:15:05.220
 The use is appropriate within the community mixed use.

01:15:05.220 --> 01:15:08.880
 Provides that customer base and also that employment base, so it's consistent with that

01:15:08.880 --> 01:15:10.720
 future land use map.

01:15:10.720 --> 01:15:14.920
 There are no confirmed eases on the property, so there would not be any impact to that.

01:15:14.920 --> 01:15:18.880
 It's also consistent with our housing goals and providing those housing options.

01:15:18.880 --> 01:15:24.040
 One thing we looked at when we were analyzing this project is we're seeing a lot of densities

01:15:24.040 --> 01:15:27.280
 and residential units coming online in this area.

01:15:27.280 --> 01:15:32.840
 That makes a lot of sense when you really look at Loop 288, what amenities and what

01:15:32.840 --> 01:15:35.520
 things are on Loop 288.

01:15:35.520 --> 01:15:39.840
 There's a concentration of a lot of stores and restaurants and businesses, and so it

01:15:39.840 --> 01:15:44.980
 makes sense to have some residential in that area.

01:15:44.980 --> 01:15:48.080
 We also looked at public facilities and compatibility.

01:15:48.080 --> 01:15:55.040
 They did, as I mentioned, they submitted that TIA and that demonstrated that they would

01:15:55.040 --> 01:15:58.640
 generate about 2,400 trips during a 24-hour day.

01:15:58.640 --> 01:15:59.640
 There is adequate capacity.

01:15:59.640 --> 01:16:04.800
 It is adjacent to some arterials, but once again, we wanted to see that left-hand turn

01:16:04.800 --> 01:16:10.160
 to make sure that turning movements could be done safely, and that is something that

01:16:10.160 --> 01:16:14.840
 they will have to construct for that turn lane on May Hill onto Hummingbird.

01:16:14.840 --> 01:16:19.440
 They'll also have to construct Hummingbird at least to their west property line that's

01:16:19.440 --> 01:16:22.560
 a mobility plan road, and we're going to want to see that.

01:16:22.560 --> 01:16:26.800
 As I mentioned, that eight-foot shared path on Hummingbird is something that they will

01:16:26.800 --> 01:16:28.840
 construct as well.

01:16:28.840 --> 01:16:34.720
 Compatibility, as I mentioned, it is at supporting residential use at a scale we typically see

01:16:34.720 --> 01:16:40.600
 in commercial areas, so it's an appropriate scale, but it is designed in a way.

01:16:40.600 --> 01:16:45.960
 I think we talked about this with phase one, and the way this property is sited is it's

01:16:45.960 --> 01:16:53.400
 still leaving those exterior areas adjacent to those arterials for commercial development,

01:16:53.400 --> 01:16:58.760
 so those high visibility pad sites would still be available for commercial development.

01:16:58.760 --> 01:17:03.120
 That is along loop 288, and also on their site plan, I failed to mention there's that

01:17:03.120 --> 01:17:08.240
 reserved commercial pad site there at the intersection of the future Hummingbird and

01:17:08.240 --> 01:17:09.240
 May Hill.

01:17:09.240 --> 01:17:15.600
 That would provide additional commercial capacity in the area.

01:17:15.600 --> 01:17:18.080
 We sent out notices.

01:17:18.080 --> 01:17:23.880
 We received one in favor today that I believe was emailed to you.

01:17:23.880 --> 01:17:24.880
 Staff recommends approval.

01:17:24.880 --> 01:17:28.440
 It is consistent with the criteria for approval in the comprehensive plan.

01:17:28.440 --> 01:17:29.440
 I won't read all of these.

01:17:29.440 --> 01:17:30.440
 They're in your backup.

01:17:30.440 --> 01:17:34.600
 There are two that I wanted to just point out because these are fairly standard boiler

01:17:34.600 --> 01:17:39.640
 plate that we have for SUPs, but number four and number seven are a little different.

01:17:39.640 --> 01:17:44.040
 One is they did provide those elevations that we wanted to make sure that while there may

01:17:44.040 --> 01:17:49.400
 need to be some flexibility as those buildings are fully designed, those are conceptual elevations,

01:17:49.400 --> 01:17:52.040
 that we did get some of those architectural elements that they showed.

01:17:52.040 --> 01:17:57.520
 We have a condition that nails down some of those architectural elements with that flexibility.

01:17:57.520 --> 01:18:01.560
 Then number seven has to do with that tree preservation, providing that threshold to

01:18:01.560 --> 01:18:09.300
 make sure that they meet those tree preservation requirements at least at 27% inches on site.

01:18:09.300 --> 01:18:10.880
 That concludes my presentation.

01:18:10.880 --> 01:18:13.040
 I'll be happy to answer any questions.

01:18:13.040 --> 01:18:18.040
 The applicant has a presentation as well, and is also here to answer questions.

01:18:18.040 --> 01:18:19.080
 Thank you, Julie.

01:18:19.080 --> 01:18:23.360
 Any questions at this time for Julie?

01:18:23.360 --> 01:18:26.260
 I do not see any at this time.

01:18:26.260 --> 01:18:27.840
 I will invite the applicant up.

01:18:27.840 --> 01:18:38.360
 That's the first card that I have.

01:18:38.360 --> 01:18:39.360
 Good evening.

01:18:39.360 --> 01:18:40.360
 If you'll state your name and address.

01:18:40.360 --> 01:18:41.360
 Your time will begin.

01:18:41.360 --> 01:18:42.360
 Good evening, commissioners.

01:18:42.360 --> 01:18:43.360
 My name is Drew Geo.

01:18:43.360 --> 01:18:44.360
 I'm with Bridgeview Real Estate.

01:18:44.360 --> 01:18:49.280
 We're a multifaceted real estate company out of Dallas.

01:18:49.280 --> 01:18:54.800
 As Julie noted, we are the owners of phase one down below.

01:18:54.800 --> 01:19:01.000
 This is our second phase, which it's still its own property.

01:19:01.000 --> 01:19:04.880
 Just to talk a little bit about who we are, as I said, we're multifaceted.

01:19:04.880 --> 01:19:05.880
 We do commercial.

01:19:05.880 --> 01:19:07.680
 We do residential.

01:19:07.680 --> 01:19:15.040
 We do multifamily, hospitality, all sorts of different forms of development.

01:19:15.040 --> 01:19:17.320
 We're also very vertically integrated.

01:19:17.320 --> 01:19:21.960
 We have our own real estate arm that does the industrial, multifamily, whatever, and

01:19:21.960 --> 01:19:24.040
 then we also have our own construction company.

01:19:24.040 --> 01:19:26.560
 We also have our own capital company.

01:19:26.560 --> 01:19:31.720
 We raise our own money, and we're also a broker dealer that is regulated by FINRA.

01:19:31.720 --> 01:19:34.760
 We also have our own asset management company.

01:19:34.760 --> 01:19:40.280
 We do this because we want to ensure that all of our developments, our goal is to provide

01:19:40.280 --> 01:19:42.720
 the highest quality developments that we can.

01:19:42.720 --> 01:19:46.440
 When we're doing multifamily, we don't necessarily just see it as a product.

01:19:46.440 --> 01:19:50.840
 We see this as somebody's home, and it doesn't matter whether that person's in the home for

01:19:50.840 --> 01:19:55.580
 a year or they're there for ten years, this is their home, and so when we get to control

01:19:55.580 --> 01:20:00.600
 all those facets, we can ensure that the quality of developments that we're doing are up to

01:20:00.600 --> 01:20:01.600
 our standards.

01:20:01.600 --> 01:20:06.760
 There's not a whole lot that I can add that Julie hasn't already said.

01:20:06.760 --> 01:20:09.800
 I got to say that working with her is amazing.

01:20:09.800 --> 01:20:16.160
 I was told how great that she is in working with her, and I got to tell you, it's an understatement.

01:20:16.160 --> 01:20:20.160
 She has been fantastic, and if you guys ever get rid of her, I want to know where she goes

01:20:20.160 --> 01:20:24.840
 because I want to develop in those areas where she is.

01:20:24.840 --> 01:20:29.440
 Working with staff, we got a lot of great ideas that really, really helped this project

01:20:29.440 --> 01:20:30.440
 a lot.

01:20:30.440 --> 01:20:34.720
 The things that I really want to highlight is just Denton as a city.

01:20:34.720 --> 01:20:39.680
 The growing population that is happening here, it's exploding.

01:20:39.680 --> 01:20:43.400
 There is a lot of multifamily in the area, and it's kind of a mix of product.

01:20:43.400 --> 01:20:47.300
 You've got some HUD deals, you've got some low-income housing deals, some older market

01:20:47.300 --> 01:20:51.400
 rate deals, but their occupancies are greater than 95%.

01:20:51.400 --> 01:20:55.640
 There is demand in this area for apartments.

01:20:55.640 --> 01:21:01.560
 This is a diverse and dynamic area, which ... I cut my teeth in affordable housing a

01:21:01.560 --> 01:21:03.760
 long, long time ago, and so I love it.

01:21:03.760 --> 01:21:05.760
 It's something that I love to do.

01:21:05.760 --> 01:21:10.960
 One of the things that makes affordable housing great is being in those diverse, dynamic areas,

01:21:10.960 --> 01:21:15.480
 not just putting affordable housing in one particular area, but when you create this

01:21:15.480 --> 01:21:21.920
 community, you want all sorts of people there.

01:21:21.920 --> 01:21:29.100
 That's why we really see this site is great for a higher-end market rate apartment.

01:21:29.100 --> 01:21:31.760
 It's not on loop 288.

01:21:31.760 --> 01:21:36.640
 We've got a building that kind of edges on May Hill, but really, when we make Hummingbird,

01:21:36.640 --> 01:21:38.800
 we're creating a neighborhood back there.

01:21:38.800 --> 01:21:45.580
 It's going to be a little bit quieter, but it's also going to have the ability for people

01:21:45.580 --> 01:21:50.040
 to walk or ride their bikes to the commercial areas, and I'll get into that in a little

01:21:50.040 --> 01:21:51.040
 bit.

01:21:51.040 --> 01:21:55.600
 This is also in an opportunity zone, and so opportunity zones are very popular in the

01:21:55.600 --> 01:22:03.800
 tax credit world, but they're set up for reinvestment in an area to make it diverse, to make it

01:22:03.800 --> 01:22:05.240
 dynamic.

01:22:05.240 --> 01:22:09.540
 Because we have our own capital arm, we're able to use those opportunity zone funds to

01:22:09.540 --> 01:22:15.360
 invest in this project, which means that we're going to be holding it for a long time.

01:22:15.360 --> 01:22:21.040
 That's a 10-year hold, and so if that makes you feel any better that we're going to be

01:22:21.040 --> 01:22:24.880
 creating a really high-quality development, it's something that we're going to be there

01:22:24.880 --> 01:22:26.600
 for a long time.

01:22:26.600 --> 01:22:32.880
 Again, she already showed you the site location, but our site plan, the couple of things that

01:22:32.880 --> 01:22:37.200
 I want to highlight is just the evolution of this site plan.

01:22:37.200 --> 01:22:41.280
 When we first started, I would say our site plan was pretty rudimentary.

01:22:41.280 --> 01:22:46.520
 It was just something that we looked, "Okay, this works," but after working with the city

01:22:46.520 --> 01:22:52.400
 and really seeing what the city needs and what the city desires to create that urban

01:22:52.400 --> 01:22:59.080
 edge on May Hill, from some ideas from Julie where we reoriented some buildings, we moved

01:22:59.080 --> 01:23:03.920
 the detention pond, put it off to the side, we're hoping that that can be a wet detention

01:23:03.920 --> 01:23:08.400
 pond, because we think that that's going to be a great thing for the site.

01:23:08.400 --> 01:23:15.200
 But also, it is the urban edge out on Hummingbird, and I've got a slide here that unfortunately

01:23:15.200 --> 01:23:19.120
 there's not another screen, so I'll have to get to it here in a second, but that whole

01:23:19.120 --> 01:23:25.800
 idea of not having a fence around the property makes it open, and it is inviting, and it

01:23:25.800 --> 01:23:28.480
 invites walkability, it welcomes people.

01:23:28.480 --> 01:23:32.840
 There's still going to be safety and security, but it's a very, very different project when

01:23:32.840 --> 01:23:36.820
 you've got that urban edge and those open buildings on the street versus people walking

01:23:36.820 --> 01:23:42.040
 down the street and you see a bunch of six or eight foot bars, and it becomes part of

01:23:42.040 --> 01:23:44.640
 the community.

01:23:44.640 --> 01:23:47.840
 We also were able to create some great open areas.

01:23:47.840 --> 01:23:52.160
 We've got a dog park down here at the southwest end.

01:23:52.160 --> 01:23:57.040
 Over here is just kind of ... We actually had a building in this location one time, and

01:23:57.040 --> 01:24:02.680
 there is a fantastic cluster of trees that we were able to save by moving this building

01:24:02.680 --> 01:24:08.840
 somewhere else, and this line that you see here is like a variable height retaining wall,

01:24:08.840 --> 01:24:13.680
 that this is just another great open area that's preserving a lot of trees.

01:24:13.680 --> 01:24:18.760
 We also, at one point, this commercial site came all the way down here, and it just kind

01:24:18.760 --> 01:24:23.640
 of had a weird angle, but again, there's some great trees in this area that we decided to

01:24:23.640 --> 01:24:29.320
 square off that commercial site, make that more open space for the project.

01:24:29.320 --> 01:24:33.400
 We had, at one point in time, we had our trash dumpster down here, but as we really looked

01:24:33.400 --> 01:24:38.000
 at the tree preservation, we were able to move that somewhere else, create this other

01:24:38.000 --> 01:24:44.560
 open area down here, not just for the tree preservation, but as a kind of a serenity

01:24:44.560 --> 01:24:49.600
 park of what we want to really, really call this.

01:24:49.600 --> 01:24:57.000
 As this site plan evolved, it really became based on a few things, right?

01:24:57.000 --> 01:25:02.240
 It's the walkability and the connection, and it's the tree preservation, and a lot of sites

01:25:02.240 --> 01:25:07.680
 that maybe you guys see is that tree preservation ends up being in ESA areas, right?

01:25:07.680 --> 01:25:09.780
 They have to be preserved because they can't go in there.

01:25:09.780 --> 01:25:14.440
 We see it as an advantage to the project, and so yes, we do have clusters of trees that

01:25:14.440 --> 01:25:21.400
 we're saving, but throughout this whole site, we've got great, wonderful trees that we're

01:25:21.400 --> 01:25:27.040
 going to be able to save, and so what we think this does is that this creates a new, fresh,

01:25:27.040 --> 01:25:30.200
 really beautiful design, but it looks old, right?

01:25:30.200 --> 01:25:35.480
 It looks like it's been there for a long time because these trees are just fantastic.

01:25:35.480 --> 01:25:43.960
 Really the tree preservation was a big, big determination of our site plan.

01:25:43.960 --> 01:25:50.160
 We absolutely will agree with the 27% tree preservation.

01:25:50.160 --> 01:25:55.080
 Our hope is that we're going to be above that, because it only makes the project better as

01:25:55.080 --> 01:25:57.000
 far as we're concerned.

01:25:57.000 --> 01:25:59.960
 We are only required 32 bike racks right now.

01:25:59.960 --> 01:26:00.960
 We're at 80.

01:26:00.960 --> 01:26:05.320
 If we can figure out how to get more, we're going to do more, because what's happening

01:26:05.320 --> 01:26:09.640
 in this area with this whole 80 acres that, you know, if Greg Johnson's here, I don't

01:26:09.640 --> 01:26:13.140
 know if he's going to be able to share, but there's a lot of commercial development going

01:26:13.140 --> 01:26:18.600
 on around this whole 80 acres, and so the more connectivity, the more walkability, the

01:26:18.600 --> 01:26:22.880
 more bike riding that we can do is just better for the project, right?

01:26:22.880 --> 01:26:27.100
 And so we're going to be putting a lot of thought into what we do with our two acres

01:26:27.100 --> 01:26:28.580
 of commercial.

01:26:28.580 --> 01:26:32.360
 The existing landowner is going to be doing some commercial on the north side of Hummingbird

01:26:32.360 --> 01:26:36.920
 once it gets created, so making sure that there's synergy with those commercial sites

01:26:36.920 --> 01:26:42.220
 along Hummingbird and Mayhill.

01:26:42.220 --> 01:26:44.140
 So these are just the site plan evolution.

01:26:44.140 --> 01:26:46.860
 So this is kind of the blow-up of how we're doing our fence.

01:26:46.860 --> 01:26:51.240
 You can see that the site fence is in between the buildings as opposed to in front of the

01:26:51.240 --> 01:26:57.300
 buildings, and again, that's just something that's really going to create that inviting

01:26:57.300 --> 01:26:59.080
 environment for the site.

01:26:59.080 --> 01:27:03.560
 But right now, this is the tree preservation plan.

01:27:03.560 --> 01:27:07.680
 You know, this is the big cluster of trees that we saved over here as well, but you can

01:27:07.680 --> 01:27:14.080
 see throughout these open spaces, but also in the middle of our pool courtyard, anywhere

01:27:14.080 --> 01:27:18.360
 that we can shift a building to save trees, we're doing it, right?

01:27:18.360 --> 01:27:21.200
 And that's not to meet this 30%.

01:27:21.200 --> 01:27:24.200
 We're doing it because it just makes the project better.

01:27:24.200 --> 01:27:33.900
 And you know, if we hit the 30% or more, great, but we are absolutely committed to making

01:27:33.900 --> 01:27:34.900
 that happen.

01:27:34.900 --> 01:27:40.520
 As you can see, our required canopy for the site with this tree preservation is 246,000,

01:27:40.520 --> 01:27:43.000
 and right now we're at 365,000.

01:27:43.000 --> 01:27:49.840
 So as we are able to shift things around, that canopy hopefully will grow.

01:27:49.840 --> 01:27:56.200
 So the transportation with Hummingbird, I don't know if Julie knows this, but our TIA

01:27:56.200 --> 01:27:57.840
 was approved today.

01:27:57.840 --> 01:28:02.480
 We did get that letter sent to us, so we are good to go there.

01:28:02.480 --> 01:28:06.480
 We do have those two means of access, the one off of Mayhill.

01:28:06.480 --> 01:28:10.000
 That's not going to be a primary access, that's going to be secondary access, the primary

01:28:10.000 --> 01:28:14.360
 access is going to be off of Hummingbird so that we don't have a bunch of traffic, additional

01:28:14.360 --> 01:28:17.720
 traffic going out to Mayhill.

01:28:17.720 --> 01:28:22.720
 And you know, the surrounding area, the high school is literally almost right across the

01:28:22.720 --> 01:28:27.520
 street, but there is just a variety of commercial developments within a stone's throw of where

01:28:27.520 --> 01:28:28.520
 we are.

01:28:28.520 --> 01:28:32.640
 So the future commercial developments in this area right now, we've got tractor supply,

01:28:32.640 --> 01:28:40.400
 urban air, auto zone, there's dental, but we also see this site as something that students

01:28:40.400 --> 01:28:42.520
 could potentially live here as well.

01:28:42.520 --> 01:28:48.720
 Maybe they don't want to live in the hustle and bustle of a college project and they want

01:28:48.720 --> 01:28:50.360
 something a little bit quieter.

01:28:50.360 --> 01:28:55.920
 This is five miles away from North Texas and three miles away from TWU.

01:28:55.920 --> 01:29:01.800
 So you know, I'm kind of out of time here, but I'm here to answer any questions that

01:29:01.800 --> 01:29:05.560
 you guys might have, so thank you very much.

01:29:05.560 --> 01:29:07.240
 And thank you very much.

01:29:07.240 --> 01:29:12.400
 Any questions at this time, our applicant?

01:29:12.400 --> 01:29:13.400
 Commissioner McDade.

01:29:13.400 --> 01:29:16.260
 Thank you, Madam Chair.

01:29:16.260 --> 01:29:21.600
 I believe I heard in your introduction you said that your company deals in affordable

01:29:21.600 --> 01:29:23.480
 housing also?

01:29:23.480 --> 01:29:26.420
 Our company, we do.

01:29:26.420 --> 01:29:32.400
 Right now we are converting one of our market rate properties to affordable down in Houston.

01:29:32.400 --> 01:29:39.080
 I personally have been doing affordable housing since 2002, different states, California,

01:29:39.080 --> 01:29:40.840
 Texas, and Louisiana.

01:29:40.840 --> 01:29:45.640
 That is a long-term goal for our company is to do more affordable housing, but we're doing

01:29:45.640 --> 01:29:47.840
 our first deal right now.

01:29:47.840 --> 01:29:50.120
 So these apartments are not affordable?

01:29:50.120 --> 01:29:51.560
 No, sir, they are not.

01:29:51.560 --> 01:29:52.880
 These are all market rate apartments.

01:29:52.880 --> 01:29:53.880
 Okay.

01:29:53.880 --> 01:30:02.240
 I was just curious because I know, in my opinion, what the city needs more, true, we need apartments,

01:30:02.240 --> 01:30:07.960
 but we need more affordable housing, but it seems like no one wants to do the affordable

01:30:07.960 --> 01:30:08.960
 housing.

01:30:08.960 --> 01:30:12.280
 They're pretty much marketplace.

01:30:12.280 --> 01:30:13.280
 That's interesting.

01:30:13.280 --> 01:30:17.060
 I know that there's a tax credit deal to our south.

01:30:17.060 --> 01:30:20.840
 We actually looked at a deal across Mayhill from pretty much where we are.

01:30:20.840 --> 01:30:23.600
 There's a PFC being put in place over there as well.

01:30:23.600 --> 01:30:28.440
 Then there are some older, I'm trying to remember the name of the project, but there are some

01:30:28.440 --> 01:30:32.400
 older tax credit properties over there.

01:30:32.400 --> 01:30:36.840
 The problem with doing tax credit in this location when there are other tax credits

01:30:36.840 --> 01:30:42.840
 given is that you've got the one mile, three year rule, and then the three mile, or there's

01:30:42.840 --> 01:30:45.200
 another, there's rules, right?

01:30:45.200 --> 01:30:49.200
 We wouldn't be able to apply for tax credits on this particular job because tax credits

01:30:49.200 --> 01:30:52.840
 were awarded within a small mile radius.

01:30:52.840 --> 01:30:53.840
 Okay.

01:30:53.840 --> 01:30:54.840
 All right.

01:30:54.840 --> 01:30:55.840
 Thank you.

01:30:55.840 --> 01:30:57.840
 Yes, sir.

01:30:57.840 --> 01:30:58.840
 Any other questions?

01:30:58.840 --> 01:31:03.640
 I've got a quick question that I don't know if I fully understand with Julie's.

01:31:03.640 --> 01:31:08.860
 With the development to the south, will they connect?

01:31:08.860 --> 01:31:10.120
 We're hoping so.

01:31:10.120 --> 01:31:11.120
 Okay.

01:31:11.120 --> 01:31:14.520
 Right now, those are two separate developments.

01:31:14.520 --> 01:31:20.480
 There are some grade issues, and some of those grade issues are determined by tree preservation.

01:31:20.480 --> 01:31:29.320
 I know on the southwest side of our project and the southeast side of phase one, there

01:31:29.320 --> 01:31:32.560
 is a way there's supposed to be a big retaining wall there.

01:31:32.560 --> 01:31:36.040
 Right now, from a civil engineering perspective, we're analyzing that, figuring out how we

01:31:36.040 --> 01:31:41.280
 can change the grade and not put in a retaining wall since we're now buying that property.

01:31:41.280 --> 01:31:45.380
 Before, if we weren't buying that property, we would have to do the retaining wall.

01:31:45.380 --> 01:31:50.480
 As a result, there can be additional trees preserved on our site and potentially on phase

01:31:50.480 --> 01:31:51.480
 one.

01:31:51.480 --> 01:31:54.700
 If we can do that and have that connectivity, we'd like to.

01:31:54.700 --> 01:31:58.400
 The best connectivity is on the north side of phase one and on the south side of phase

01:31:58.400 --> 01:32:03.200
 two, but unfortunately, that grade is huge there.

01:32:03.200 --> 01:32:06.080
 We wouldn't be able to meet any kind of ADA or anything like that.

01:32:06.080 --> 01:32:07.080
 I see.

01:32:07.080 --> 01:32:08.080
 Okay.

01:32:08.080 --> 01:32:09.080
 Thank you for clarifying that.

01:32:09.080 --> 01:32:10.080
 Appreciate it.

01:32:10.080 --> 01:32:11.080
 At this time, I don't see any other questions.

01:32:11.080 --> 01:32:12.080
 Thank you.

01:32:12.080 --> 01:32:13.080
 Appreciate it.

01:32:13.080 --> 01:32:14.080
 Thank you.

01:32:14.080 --> 01:32:20.480
 Next card I have to speak on this item is Nathan Toon.

01:32:20.480 --> 01:32:21.480
 Good evening, sir.

01:32:21.480 --> 01:32:22.480
 Good evening.

01:32:22.480 --> 01:32:28.120
 Nathan Toon, 3201 Carmel Street, Denton, Texas.

01:32:28.120 --> 01:32:34.200
 I worked alongside Greg and the landowners on this property for the last four to five

01:32:34.200 --> 01:32:40.720
 years, as far as marketing to users, developers, and so I mainly wanted to just speak to the

01:32:40.720 --> 01:32:49.480
 appropriateness of the use and the demand for the product type in this particular area.

01:32:49.480 --> 01:32:54.720
 I think, as several have mentioned, we've got a lot of commercial projects planned on

01:32:54.720 --> 01:32:56.380
 this property.

01:32:56.380 --> 01:32:59.000
 It's a unique property in that it's so large.

01:32:59.000 --> 01:33:05.720
 These owners have acquired, at one time, it was just under 80 acres, spanning from Loop

01:33:05.720 --> 01:33:08.560
 288 to McKinney to Mayhill.

01:33:08.560 --> 01:33:15.040
 So you've got a big piece of land in an area that has kind of been neglected from a development

01:33:15.040 --> 01:33:21.800
 standpoint for a while, but we've had multifamily groups from all over the country, all over

01:33:21.800 --> 01:33:28.720
 the state, at least 100 plus, and they're still calling about this particular site just

01:33:28.720 --> 01:33:33.960
 because in Denton, Texas, there's a tremendous demand for sites like this.

01:33:33.960 --> 01:33:42.120
 I think the population is growing as such, that we need more product on the ground, and

01:33:42.120 --> 01:33:47.560
 aside from that, as we've looked at, there is a phase one apartment project that's already

01:33:47.560 --> 01:33:54.200
 been approved that's down the road, but I would just kind of ask the question, if not

01:33:54.200 --> 01:34:01.600
 apartments or higher density residential, what other use would be appropriate here?

01:34:01.600 --> 01:34:09.080
 I think the only other potential use is industrial, to take up as much land as we're looking at,

01:34:09.080 --> 01:34:14.800
 and I don't think that that's going to be the most appropriate use with the other multifamily,

01:34:14.800 --> 01:34:21.960
 with the coming retail and commercial, and so I think from that standpoint, I think it's

01:34:21.960 --> 01:34:27.200
 a very appropriate use, and one where there's tremendous demand from people all over the

01:34:27.200 --> 01:34:29.840
 place to get their hands on this site.

01:34:29.840 --> 01:34:36.120
 So for those reasons alone, I support this project and hope that you guys will too, and

01:34:36.120 --> 01:34:37.120
 appreciate your consideration.

01:34:37.120 --> 01:34:38.120
 Thank you.

01:34:38.120 --> 01:34:39.120
 Thank you.

01:34:39.120 --> 01:34:49.800
 Next card I have is Greg Johnson.

01:34:49.800 --> 01:34:50.800
 Good evening.

01:34:50.800 --> 01:34:55.480
 I know some of you, and some of you are going to get a good laugh out of my voice here,

01:34:55.480 --> 01:34:57.480
 so I lost it yesterday.

01:34:57.480 --> 01:35:00.600
 Everybody in my house and my office is very happy about that.

01:35:00.600 --> 01:35:09.080
 My name is Greg Johnson, address is 3801 Teasley Lane, Dunn, Texas, 76205, and I won't take

01:35:09.080 --> 01:35:12.440
 four minutes because I'm going to run out of voice, but I did want to just share with

01:35:12.440 --> 01:35:15.960
 you guys a little bit, put this here.

01:35:15.960 --> 01:35:19.280
 There's a saying that at some point in your life, you want to go from successful to significant,

01:35:19.280 --> 01:35:25.600
 and the gentleman who owned this property took a number of years to assemble 72 acres

01:35:25.600 --> 01:35:30.280
 and a part of town that deserves mixed-use development, a part of town that's been ignored

01:35:30.280 --> 01:35:32.920
 for a long time.

01:35:32.920 --> 01:35:36.560
 These gentlemen have made all the money that they could ever spend, but they're all Denton

01:35:36.560 --> 01:35:41.120
 folks, and they wanted to see something great happen on this side of town, so they took

01:35:41.120 --> 01:35:45.200
 the risk, and it took them a long time to buy it all, and then to decide what do we

01:35:45.200 --> 01:35:46.720
 do with it.

01:35:46.720 --> 01:35:52.880
 So our firm has been working with them for six years on this project now, and as we walk

01:35:52.880 --> 01:35:57.280
 through this, and there's a million different iterations of what we could have done with

01:35:57.280 --> 01:36:02.200
 it, and what ultimately we arrived at is you've got a mixed-use development at Razor Ranch,

01:36:02.200 --> 01:36:06.920
 you've got a mixed-use development at 35 and 288, but this part of town has been ignored

01:36:06.920 --> 01:36:13.360
 for so long, and so if you can make a place and do something great that this side of town

01:36:13.360 --> 01:36:20.320
 could have something new and shiny and vibrant and walkable and all those things, and so

01:36:20.320 --> 01:36:24.240
 as we reached out, and we spent a lot of time talking to grocers and a lot of time talking

01:36:24.240 --> 01:36:29.840
 to big boxes, and we heard the same thing over and over, is you really got to have the

01:36:29.840 --> 01:36:34.640
 bodies to support the smaller retail, and as you guys probably know, grocery stores

01:36:34.640 --> 01:36:36.040
 don't pay much.

01:36:36.040 --> 01:36:38.360
 You have to make your money on all the outlying pieces.

01:36:38.360 --> 01:36:43.880
 Most of the big grocery stores now want their piece for free, and so the idea here was to

01:36:43.880 --> 01:36:50.680
 make a place where you've got the residential component, this site is massive, 72, more

01:36:50.680 --> 01:36:57.080
 than 72 acres now, and so you've got that big hole in the donut that nobody can see,

01:36:57.080 --> 01:37:02.400
 and so that's either going to be warehouse or something like that, and whenever the team

01:37:02.400 --> 01:37:08.640
 decided, we really think we could make a true multifamily neighborhood with enough units

01:37:08.640 --> 01:37:14.160
 to where it feels like a neighborhood, enough buildings, not your typical thing where there's

01:37:14.160 --> 01:37:20.720
 five buildings and 7-11 next to it, so what's really unique here is you have the same developer

01:37:20.720 --> 01:37:26.000
 developing both sites, phase one and phase two, and as you heard before, most of you

01:37:26.000 --> 01:37:28.880
 are probably familiar with the Opportunity Zone.

01:37:28.880 --> 01:37:35.080
 The Opportunity Zone is only advantageous if you hold the property for 10 years, and

01:37:35.080 --> 01:37:40.560
 so they're married to this for 10 years, which made us very comfortable because they can't

01:37:40.560 --> 01:37:46.280
 build crap, and I just want to share with you I didn't put the names on here because

01:37:46.280 --> 01:37:52.600
 I'm not 100% sure that we can disclose yet, but everything you see that's in gray is in

01:37:52.600 --> 01:37:57.840
 contract waiting to close, and once all of the entitlements and everything are done in

01:37:57.840 --> 01:38:02.560
 terms of access and sewer and all that, the blue is future, and that's frankly just waiting

01:38:02.560 --> 01:38:06.280
 for Mayhill and McKinney Street to finish and grow up.

01:38:06.280 --> 01:38:13.400
 And so we have a national, what I call a junior anchor retailer on the north side there, we

01:38:13.400 --> 01:38:20.480
 have a national family entertainment, what I call a medium-sized box, family entertainment

01:38:20.480 --> 01:38:27.160
 facility, we've got auto retail, food, car wash, another national tenant, an existing

01:38:27.160 --> 01:38:32.960
 regional dental company, their money's all non-refundable, they're ready to close, we're

01:38:32.960 --> 01:38:35.880
 just waiting on street improvements to be approved and so on.

01:38:35.880 --> 01:38:40.200
 So this is a real deal, this is some pie in the sky, let me show you a bunch of pretty

01:38:40.200 --> 01:38:46.000
 pictures and then maybe it'll happen, everybody's already committed, and I'll just tell you

01:38:46.000 --> 01:38:50.440
 I'm super proud that our firm's been able to be involved with this because we do a lot

01:38:50.440 --> 01:38:55.200
 of stuff around it, but I think I'm going to drive by this thing someday and be pretty

01:38:55.200 --> 01:39:00.120
 pumped that we had a role in kind of changing the landscape of that side of dentin, which

01:39:00.120 --> 01:39:05.000
 has just been ignored for so long, so we appreciate your consideration and I think you should

01:39:05.000 --> 01:39:06.000
 support it.

01:39:06.000 --> 01:39:07.000
 Thank you.

01:39:07.000 --> 01:39:08.000
 Thank you, Mr. Johnson.

01:39:08.000 --> 01:39:09.000
 Any questions?

01:39:09.000 --> 01:39:10.000
 Commissioner?

01:39:10.000 --> 01:39:11.000
 I haven't seen you yet.

01:39:11.000 --> 01:39:19.080
 Greg, just one moment, Commissioner McDade I think has a question for you.

01:39:19.080 --> 01:39:20.080
 Thank you, Chair.

01:39:20.080 --> 01:39:23.000
 Yeah, I just need you to refresh my memory.

01:39:23.000 --> 01:39:28.680
 It says multifamily phase one under construction, what's being built, what's actually being

01:39:28.680 --> 01:39:29.680
 built there?

01:39:29.680 --> 01:39:30.680
 Apartments or?

01:39:30.680 --> 01:39:31.680
 Yes, sir.

01:39:31.680 --> 01:39:36.140
 So it's the same, it's really the very, very similar development, same company.

01:39:36.140 --> 01:39:41.520
 They closed on the first phase, which was about 13 and a half acres, I believe, they

01:39:41.520 --> 01:39:45.520
 closed on that over a year ago, and they've just been awaiting permits, and so I think

01:39:45.520 --> 01:39:50.480
 they've just received permits, the grading has begun, I'm saying that correct, right,

01:39:50.480 --> 01:39:55.480
 the grading's begun and so you'll start to see a lot of dirt flying out there.

01:39:55.480 --> 01:39:57.080
 All right, thank you.

01:39:57.080 --> 01:39:58.080
 Thank you.

01:39:58.080 --> 01:39:59.080
 Thank you very much.

01:39:59.080 --> 01:40:00.080
 Thanks.

01:40:00.080 --> 01:40:03.920
 I don't have any other cards in front of me to speak on this item, but anyone else wishing

01:40:03.920 --> 01:40:09.180
 to speak is certainly welcome.

01:40:09.180 --> 01:40:22.080
 Good evening.

01:40:22.080 --> 01:40:28.920
 My name is JB Strange, I'm one of the, I'm at 531 North Locust, Denton 76201, I'm one

01:40:28.920 --> 01:40:31.800
 of the owners of this property.

01:40:31.800 --> 01:40:37.480
 We started this project over 10 years ago, and through those 10 years we acquired 75

01:40:37.480 --> 01:40:44.480
 acres between Luke 288, north of McKinney, and west of Mayhill Road.

01:40:44.480 --> 01:40:48.760
 We sold five acres off to Sir Denton, which was, in my opinion, one of the best deals

01:40:48.760 --> 01:40:52.760
 we've ever done for Denton, because that has turned out to be a wonderful organization

01:40:52.760 --> 01:40:54.880
 and a wonderful resource.

01:40:54.880 --> 01:41:00.680
 We sold a 15 acre tract off to the same developer, closed a little over a year ago.

01:41:00.680 --> 01:41:06.840
 We own property to the north, to the west, and to the south of this proposed project,

01:41:06.840 --> 01:41:08.760
 and just wanted to come to that.

01:41:08.760 --> 01:41:13.040
 You've heard all of the reasons why you should approve this, but I wanted to come and let

01:41:13.040 --> 01:41:18.520
 you know, as owner of Steel Approximately, including this site, 55 acres out there, we

01:41:18.520 --> 01:41:23.080
 very much endorse this use, and would appreciate it if you all would approve it.

01:41:23.080 --> 01:41:26.660
 And I'll be happy to answer any questions that you might have.

01:41:26.660 --> 01:41:28.880
 Any questions for Mr. Strange?

01:41:28.880 --> 01:41:29.880
 Okay.

01:41:29.880 --> 01:41:30.880
 I do not see any.

01:41:30.880 --> 01:41:32.420
 Thank you, sir.

01:41:32.420 --> 01:41:37.180
 Anyone else wishing to speak?

01:41:37.180 --> 01:41:41.300
 Okay.

01:41:41.300 --> 01:41:42.300
 Good evening, sir.

01:41:42.300 --> 01:41:43.300
 If you'll state your name and address.

01:41:43.300 --> 01:41:44.300
 Good evening, commissioners.

01:41:44.300 --> 01:41:45.300
 I'm Pat Smith.

01:41:45.300 --> 01:41:51.200
 I'm the CEO of Sir Denton 306, Northoop 288, Denton 76209.

01:41:51.200 --> 01:41:57.200
 I want to speak in support of this project and give you a little insight that you probably

01:41:57.200 --> 01:42:03.800
 isn't germane to the physical characteristics of the site, but I think it's important to

01:42:03.800 --> 01:42:05.920
 the commitment to the community.

01:42:05.920 --> 01:42:13.000
 So early on, obviously Virgil and I are good friends and Sir Denton exists because of Virgil.

01:42:13.000 --> 01:42:15.640
 He won't say that, but I will.

01:42:15.640 --> 01:42:24.320
 And when the opportunity came for him to sell these other parcels to the firm that's before

01:42:24.320 --> 01:42:29.960
 you tonight, they did something I've never heard of in Denton before.

01:42:29.960 --> 01:42:36.360
 They made a five-figure gift to a nonprofit that supports foster children.

01:42:36.360 --> 01:42:43.080
 Totally before the contract was done, they made a five-figure gift to help an agency

01:42:43.080 --> 01:42:45.320
 that helps foster children.

01:42:45.320 --> 01:42:52.640
 I can tell you that that gift to that agency was huge, and I've never heard of another

01:42:52.640 --> 01:42:57.000
 real estate developer in the city of Denton do that.

01:42:57.000 --> 01:43:04.680
 And so they're invested in Denton, and they've been excellent to work with.

01:43:04.680 --> 01:43:08.760
 For us at Sir Denton, it's important that Hummingbird goes through because that's going

01:43:08.760 --> 01:43:12.000
 to improve access to the South for us.

01:43:12.000 --> 01:43:18.120
 That's a major frustration for some of our customers is you can't really go South on

01:43:18.120 --> 01:43:20.780
 Loop 288 from Market Street.

01:43:20.780 --> 01:43:26.160
 And so having Hummingbird go through, we can connect through the commercial property through

01:43:26.160 --> 01:43:31.880
 an easement that was already in place, and that will really help improve access for us.

01:43:31.880 --> 01:43:33.840
 And we look forward to welcoming them to the neighborhood.

01:43:33.840 --> 01:43:38.960
 I think we're going to get a very high-quality product in terms of the housing stock, and

01:43:38.960 --> 01:43:41.520
 it's become very attractive.

01:43:41.520 --> 01:43:46.200
 These national retailers want to see rooftops, and they want to see rooftops with a certain

01:43:46.200 --> 01:43:50.000
 median income, and this will do that.

01:43:50.000 --> 01:43:54.800
 I think this will be a great benefit to the community, and so I have speak in support.

01:43:54.800 --> 01:43:55.800
 Thank you.

01:43:55.800 --> 01:43:56.800
 Thank you.

01:43:56.800 --> 01:43:57.800
 Any questions?

01:43:57.800 --> 01:43:58.800
 Any questions?

01:43:58.800 --> 01:43:59.800
 Thank you.

01:43:59.800 --> 01:44:09.200
 Amy Vissett, 109 North Elm, Denton 76201.

01:44:09.200 --> 01:44:11.880
 I'm also here to speak in support of this project.

01:44:11.880 --> 01:44:17.800
 I've had the privilege of being a part of this development since the initial zoning

01:44:17.800 --> 01:44:21.880
 change, which I believe was approved in 2017.

01:44:21.880 --> 01:44:29.040
 I watched Virgil assemble, I believe it was 11 tracts of land at the time, and we brought

01:44:29.040 --> 01:44:35.320
 it forward as a unified zoning change with a vision for this area that is incredibly

01:44:35.320 --> 01:44:38.120
 complex and difficult to execute on.

01:44:38.120 --> 01:44:43.320
 When Greg was up here a few minutes ago, I counted the number of lots in this 75 acres.

01:44:43.320 --> 01:44:45.580
 There are 23 lots.

01:44:45.580 --> 01:44:47.320
 It's truly a mixed-use development.

01:44:47.320 --> 01:44:50.720
 It has been complicated from the beginning.

01:44:50.720 --> 01:44:52.920
 We have shared detention.

01:44:52.920 --> 01:44:58.720
 We have a number of end users, a number of project teams and engineers involved across

01:44:58.720 --> 01:45:06.800
 this site, but Virgil and his partners in this development saw a vision for this area,

01:45:06.800 --> 01:45:09.800
 and it is incredibly unique for Denton.

01:45:09.800 --> 01:45:18.640
 It borders three major arterials and is in an area that is lacking in a number of neighborhood

01:45:18.640 --> 01:45:24.360
 services and retail and commercial developments.

01:45:24.360 --> 01:45:31.120
 I've been fortunate to be involved with Virgil throughout this entire development over the

01:45:31.120 --> 01:45:37.600
 years, and we're finally starting to see the fruits of our labor and see it come to fruition.

01:45:37.600 --> 01:45:43.240
 I'm here to support it, and we'll echo what everyone else has said, which is that if we

01:45:43.240 --> 01:45:47.760
 want to see those commercial and retail and neighborhood service uses, the rooftops have

01:45:47.760 --> 01:45:50.720
 to be there first, so thank you.

01:45:50.720 --> 01:45:53.220
 Thank you.

01:45:53.220 --> 01:45:54.220
 This is a public hearing.

01:45:54.220 --> 01:45:57.920
 I don't have any other cards in front of me, but is there anyone else wishing to speak

01:45:57.920 --> 01:45:58.920
 on this item?

01:45:58.920 --> 01:45:59.920
 Okay.

01:45:59.920 --> 01:46:05.840
 Seeing none, I'm going to go ahead and close the public hearing and open the floor for

01:46:05.840 --> 01:46:07.720
 a motion or discussion.

01:46:07.720 --> 01:46:08.720
 Commissioner Smith.

01:46:08.720 --> 01:46:15.360
 I want to make a motion to approve, and I want to say thank you to Varis, to Bridgeview,

01:46:15.360 --> 01:46:20.080
 to Mr. Strange, and all the work that you guys have done, and super excited to see this

01:46:20.080 --> 01:46:22.760
 come into the neighborhood, come into the area.

01:46:22.760 --> 01:46:26.680
 For as many affordable housing projects as we see, especially in this area, for the Opportunity

01:46:26.680 --> 01:46:32.080
 Zone, you need to have a good balance of affordable housing units that can come in, as well as

01:46:32.080 --> 01:46:36.040
 market rate housing units, because if you only ever accept and look at affordable housing

01:46:36.040 --> 01:46:41.560
 units in one Opportunity Zone, you end up bringing down the entire neighborhood.

01:46:41.560 --> 01:46:46.920
 For the development code and the mission of the planning department to try to create as

01:46:46.920 --> 01:46:51.400
 much diverse housing, I'm excited to see the work and the effort you guys put in, especially

01:46:51.400 --> 01:46:56.320
 with finding the retail and other big chains that will come in, especially because of that

01:46:56.320 --> 01:46:58.880
 traction, as Ms. Bissett said, to the rooftops there.

01:46:58.880 --> 01:47:02.560
 I just want to take a moment to say thank you, and great job.

01:47:02.560 --> 01:47:03.560
 Thank you.

01:47:03.560 --> 01:47:04.560
 Commissioner Anderson?

01:47:04.560 --> 01:47:09.840
 I'll second the motion, but I would also like to say congratulations on this, because it's

01:47:09.840 --> 01:47:14.600
 been a long time since that track sat empty, and it's going to be nice to see some, you

01:47:14.600 --> 01:47:19.240
 know, something, rooftops and, you know, some commercial businesses along there.

01:47:19.240 --> 01:47:25.160
 I guess it's been, what, since ASO, not ASO, Foxworth Galbraith was there, and it's been

01:47:25.160 --> 01:47:28.400
 an eyesore for years, just broad land sitting out there.

01:47:28.400 --> 01:47:32.360
 So anyway, congratulations, and I can't wait to see what happens.

01:47:32.360 --> 01:47:36.160
 We've got a first and a second for approval discussion.

01:47:36.160 --> 01:47:37.160
 Commissioner Pruitt?

01:47:37.160 --> 01:47:38.160
 Thank you, Chair.

01:47:38.160 --> 01:47:41.360
 Yeah, I just wanted to say thank you for all the effort.

01:47:41.360 --> 01:47:48.400
 I echo comments about Julie, and wish we had about four of her, but I trust that she's

01:47:48.400 --> 01:47:52.840
 working on that with all of our young planners coming up.

01:47:52.840 --> 01:47:58.640
 You know, I think I very much appreciate the attention to detail here.

01:47:58.640 --> 01:48:05.520
 Obviously, you know, you can't do everything you like because of grade, grade limitations

01:48:05.520 --> 01:48:07.880
 and whatnot.

01:48:07.880 --> 01:48:11.960
 In my opinion, you know, the whole area would be a whole lot more of a community and walkable

01:48:11.960 --> 01:48:19.600
 if it was, you know, two dozen blocks in an interconnected network, but within the constraints

01:48:19.600 --> 01:48:27.920
 of the mobility plan and the development code and how this area is parceled up, I think,

01:48:27.920 --> 01:48:32.680
 you know, there's no worry of me of this parcel.

01:48:32.680 --> 01:48:36.480
 I guess the other thing I'll say is, you know, we talked about affordable housing a little

01:48:36.480 --> 01:48:46.600
 bit, and yes, I'm all for getting more of it, but we just need to remember that if we

01:48:46.600 --> 01:48:50.920
 don't build enough market rate housing, what that does is it increases the market rate

01:48:50.920 --> 01:48:55.780
 of housing, which means that you need more affordable housing, and so by building more

01:48:55.780 --> 01:49:00.120
 market rate housing, you reduce your need for affordable housing, essentially.

01:49:00.120 --> 01:49:03.000
 Thank you.

01:49:03.000 --> 01:49:04.160
 Thank you.

01:49:04.160 --> 01:49:08.240
 Any other discussion after our motion for approval?

01:49:08.240 --> 01:49:12.240
 I'll just say I'm excited to see all of this happening.

01:49:12.240 --> 01:49:15.880
 I remember when the zoning change request came in, I remember when the concept behind

01:49:15.880 --> 01:49:22.840
 that came in, and to now see that concept coming to fruition is very exciting.

01:49:22.840 --> 01:49:26.160
 So with that, I believe the board's working again, so we can go ahead and take a vote

01:49:26.160 --> 01:49:36.240
 on the board.

01:49:36.240 --> 01:49:39.280
 That motion carries 6-1.

01:49:39.280 --> 01:49:41.080
 Congratulations.

01:49:41.080 --> 01:49:50.000
 All right, that will move us to 5-D, PDA 22-0004.

01:49:50.000 --> 01:49:51.680
 Julie Wyatt is here for presentation.

01:49:51.680 --> 01:49:53.200
 I will open the public hearing.

01:49:53.200 --> 01:49:56.360
 All right, good evening.

01:49:56.360 --> 01:50:03.920
 All right, here we go.

01:50:03.920 --> 01:50:10.240
 Julie Wyatt, Senior Planner with the City of Denton, and I am presenting PDA 22-0004,

01:50:10.240 --> 01:50:13.420
 the Preserve at Pecan Creek.

01:50:13.420 --> 01:50:19.060
 The request before you is an amendment to the development plan for sections J and K of

01:50:19.060 --> 01:50:21.320
 PD 132.

01:50:21.320 --> 01:50:25.100
 This request doesn't have anything to do with a change in the use or density.

01:50:25.100 --> 01:50:31.800
 The property is platted for 21 single-family homes, as well as open spaces, and it's actually

01:50:31.800 --> 01:50:37.480
 ... The neighborhood street has actually been constructed, but the request is to increase

01:50:37.480 --> 01:50:44.200
 the building coverage from 33% to 55%, and also to increase the rear yard building line

01:50:44.200 --> 01:50:46.600
 from 5 feet to 20 feet.

01:50:46.600 --> 01:50:50.400
 Just a little bit of history on PD 132, that's the Preserve at Pecan Creek.

01:50:50.400 --> 01:50:52.800
 It's actually one of our older PDs.

01:50:52.800 --> 01:50:55.440
 It predates the 2002 ... Didn't develop my code.

01:50:55.440 --> 01:50:57.120
 It was established in 1988.

01:50:57.120 --> 01:51:00.880
 I think it was called Southview at the time.

01:51:00.880 --> 01:51:04.080
 The original plan had 35% building coverage.

01:51:04.080 --> 01:51:09.940
 However, a maximum building coverage was removed from the PD in 1998.

01:51:09.940 --> 01:51:16.200
 The majority of the PD was constructed without that maximum building coverage.

01:51:16.200 --> 01:51:26.520
 In 2019, the developer came in to amend the PD for sections J and K. Originally, those

01:51:26.520 --> 01:51:30.840
 were supposed to be commercial development and institutional development.

01:51:30.840 --> 01:51:35.840
 However, there were some mobility plan changes, and it really didn't work anymore, so they

01:51:35.840 --> 01:51:38.640
 changed that PD to the residential uses.

01:51:38.640 --> 01:51:43.640
 As part of that request, they did put that 33% lot coverage in.

01:51:43.640 --> 01:51:48.320
 Some of you may remember, there were also some other conditions associated with that

01:51:48.320 --> 01:51:49.320
 approval.

01:51:49.320 --> 01:51:54.560
 It included things like adherence to our current tree preservation requirements, adding minimum

01:51:54.560 --> 01:52:00.040
 landscaping in both the front yard and rear yard, as well as street trees along arterials,

01:52:00.040 --> 01:52:01.840
 and a pedestrian crossing on Lakeview.

01:52:01.840 --> 01:52:06.000
 I did want to point out, as I mentioned, it's under construction.

01:52:06.000 --> 01:52:09.720
 They have got that pedestrian crossing.

01:52:09.720 --> 01:52:10.720
 They've been working on it.

01:52:10.720 --> 01:52:11.800
 They have the barrier free ramps.

01:52:11.800 --> 01:52:14.600
 I show a picture here on your screen.

01:52:14.600 --> 01:52:15.920
 They've got the street trees.

01:52:15.920 --> 01:52:21.440
 I believe the stop signs, the poles are in, but they still have to put the sign on it,

01:52:21.440 --> 01:52:23.000
 so at that pedestrian crossing.

01:52:23.000 --> 01:52:29.600
 They are making progress toward those conditions.

01:52:29.600 --> 01:52:34.920
 The development plan, as I mentioned, is really just to modify that maximum building coverage

01:52:34.920 --> 01:52:39.400
 and that rear building setback.

01:52:39.400 --> 01:52:44.320
 As part of this request, we did want to look at impacts and compatibility.

01:52:44.320 --> 01:52:51.400
 As part of our analysis, we looked at 73 nearby residential lots to see how the preserve looked

01:52:51.400 --> 01:52:55.020
 and how it had developed.

01:52:55.020 --> 01:53:01.100
 We saw lot sizes between about 5,400 square feet and almost 20,000 square feet.

01:53:01.100 --> 01:53:05.220
 Building footprints, and that's that first floor primary structure building footprint,

01:53:05.220 --> 01:53:10.280
 so it wouldn't include any maybe outdoor kitchens or sheds or offset garages, but that ranges

01:53:10.280 --> 01:53:14.540
 from about 2,000 square feet to nearly 4,000 square feet.

01:53:14.540 --> 01:53:20.300
 That comes out to about 17% to 46% building coverage.

01:53:20.300 --> 01:53:21.420
 That's not lot coverage.

01:53:21.420 --> 01:53:23.740
 That's just the building.

01:53:23.740 --> 01:53:25.880
 She broke it down into lot sizes.

01:53:25.880 --> 01:53:31.100
 It seems that the smaller the lot size, the larger that building footprint, that percentage

01:53:31.100 --> 01:53:38.220
 was, so lots that were less than 7,200 square feet had an average building coverage of 42%.

01:53:38.220 --> 01:53:40.300
 The larger lots, it wasn't as big.

01:53:40.300 --> 01:53:43.340
 It was average about 26%.

01:53:43.340 --> 01:53:49.180
 The rear yard setback in the preserve ranges between 5 and 10 feet.

01:53:49.180 --> 01:53:53.900
 The requested building coverage is larger than what we typically see around there.

01:53:53.900 --> 01:53:59.740
 We felt like it wasn't significant to be out of character with a typical suburban development

01:53:59.740 --> 01:54:00.740
 pattern.

01:54:00.740 --> 01:54:05.700
 It would also allow for a variety of architectural styles, particularly one-story buildings to

01:54:05.700 --> 01:54:10.700
 allow that larger footprint, so you wouldn't have to necessarily build up.

01:54:10.700 --> 01:54:16.780
 What we did, we did have concerns about that increased building size, so that's where that

01:54:16.780 --> 01:54:20.020
 increased rear yard setback came in.

01:54:20.020 --> 01:54:26.780
 These are not, these are schematic, but on your screen you can see the blue line is about

01:54:26.780 --> 01:54:29.880
 where a five-foot rear yard setback is.

01:54:29.880 --> 01:54:36.420
 The yellow line is about where a 20-foot rear yard setback is, so just to kind of tell how

01:54:36.420 --> 01:54:39.460
 close those would be to those adjacent properties.

01:54:39.460 --> 01:54:43.300
 There's also a required minimum landscaping in the rear yards.

01:54:43.300 --> 01:54:50.220
 That's that 20%, 30% in the front yard, 20% in the rear yard, and 55% building coverage

01:54:50.220 --> 01:54:56.020
 is pretty comparable to what we see in our base zoning districts in Denton now, R3 and

01:54:56.020 --> 01:54:59.220
 R4 being 50% and then R6 being 60%.

01:54:59.220 --> 01:55:02.540
 Oops, sorry, went the wrong way.

01:55:02.540 --> 01:55:05.380
 We did send out public notification.

01:55:05.380 --> 01:55:11.460
 We received a couple of responses, two in favor and one in opposition.

01:55:11.460 --> 01:55:17.820
 As I talked about in work session, a lot of the concerns that we heard were related to

01:55:17.820 --> 01:55:21.540
 exterior building materials as we talked about in work session.

01:55:21.540 --> 01:55:28.500
 Unfortunately, the city is preempted from enforcing any minimum masonry requirements,

01:55:28.500 --> 01:55:33.420
 and so while of course we would love to have that part of this, it's just not something

01:55:33.420 --> 01:55:36.820
 that we could enforce.

01:55:36.820 --> 01:55:40.820
 So based upon the criteria for approval, staff does recommend approval of the request.

01:55:40.820 --> 01:55:42.420
 I'll be happy to answer any questions.

01:55:42.420 --> 01:55:45.220
 The applicant is also here to answer any questions.

01:55:45.220 --> 01:55:48.500
 So that concludes my presentation.

01:55:48.500 --> 01:55:50.340
 Thank you, Julie.

01:55:50.340 --> 01:55:53.380
 At this time, do we have questions for Julie?

01:55:53.380 --> 01:55:54.380
 Okay.

01:55:54.380 --> 01:55:55.380
 Thank you.

01:55:55.380 --> 01:55:56.380
 I don't have any cards.

01:55:56.380 --> 01:55:59.460
 I don't know if the applicant is willing.

01:55:59.460 --> 01:56:01.180
 Did you want to give a presentation or?

01:56:01.180 --> 01:56:04.180
 We don't have a presentation.

01:56:04.180 --> 01:56:05.180
 Okay.

01:56:05.180 --> 01:56:06.180
 Come on.

01:56:06.180 --> 01:56:08.660
 I've been lingering in the room with you guys since five, I think.

01:56:08.660 --> 01:56:11.380
 Before you say your name and address this for a second.

01:56:11.380 --> 01:56:12.380
 My name is Britton Seawright.

01:56:12.380 --> 01:56:18.180
 I'm a four-star real estate group, and our address is 2221 East Lamar Boulevard, Suite

01:56:18.180 --> 01:56:22.300
 790, Arlington, Texas 76006.

01:56:22.300 --> 01:56:24.460
 I really can't add much to Julie's presentation.

01:56:24.460 --> 01:56:29.100
 She had a pretty thorough detailed history of the project, and really the only thing

01:56:29.100 --> 01:56:33.780
 I can add is that we did host two neighborhood meetings last week on January 4th.

01:56:33.780 --> 01:56:38.580
 We had one at noon, and we did one at 6 p.m., and we had a good turnout.

01:56:38.580 --> 01:56:44.540
 We had 36 people show up to the noon meeting, and we had 16 in the evening meeting, and

01:56:44.540 --> 01:56:48.620
 really the only concerns that we did receive were about the masonry requirement that we

01:56:48.620 --> 01:56:54.620
 suggested, and that requirement was that we were proposing 100% masonry material on the

01:56:54.620 --> 01:56:57.500
 first floor elevation in the rear yard.

01:56:57.500 --> 01:57:03.620
 I think the PD might speak to this a little bit in adjacency to thoroughfare and HOA open

01:57:03.620 --> 01:57:08.460
 spaces, but we were proposing it for all lots in sections J and K, and the reasoning

01:57:08.460 --> 01:57:14.900
 behind that was because you are set back 20 feet from that rear property line, you might

01:57:14.900 --> 01:57:19.100
 be able to see the rear of this home, and we wanted to provide a greater level product

01:57:19.100 --> 01:57:24.580
 since it may be visible from adjacent lots, but other than that, our only concern was

01:57:24.580 --> 01:57:29.980
 drainage, and I think an amendment to the PD might not be the right vehicle to address

01:57:29.980 --> 01:57:36.340
 those concerns, but we have been in communication with the HOA and working towards at least

01:57:36.340 --> 01:57:40.420
 furthering that conversation to get that remedied.

01:57:40.420 --> 01:57:43.740
 I think the architectural requirement was the biggest concern.

01:57:43.740 --> 01:57:48.140
 We removed it after speaking to Julie, and at our second meeting, we had no questions,

01:57:48.140 --> 01:57:51.380
 and with that, I really don't have anything else to add, so if you have any questions,

01:57:51.380 --> 01:57:52.380
 let me know.

01:57:52.380 --> 01:57:55.260
 A couple of questions for you.

01:57:55.260 --> 01:57:59.020
 Is your main reason for this to just get a bigger product square footage-wise on the

01:57:59.020 --> 01:58:00.020
 ground?

01:58:00.020 --> 01:58:03.980
 Is that why this kind of came back after the original amendment?

01:58:03.980 --> 01:58:04.980
 That's correct, yes.

01:58:04.980 --> 01:58:07.020
 We actually are home-builder today with William Ryan Homes.

01:58:07.020 --> 01:58:11.640
 We've got Scott Dettmer here, and really, what we're proposing is a lot of the house

01:58:11.640 --> 01:58:17.980
 type is going to have amenities like three-car garages and large covered patios in the backyard,

01:58:17.980 --> 01:58:22.500
 which are a little bit atypical, and without that 55% building coverage or something bigger

01:58:22.500 --> 01:58:28.060
 than what we are at, it may be difficult to see those amenities.

01:58:28.060 --> 01:58:29.060
 Okay.

01:58:29.060 --> 01:58:30.060
 Very good.

01:58:30.060 --> 01:58:31.060
 Commissioner Anderson.

01:58:31.060 --> 01:58:32.060
 Thank you, Chair.

01:58:32.060 --> 01:58:38.540
 Just a quick question, since we can't tell you what to put on the product, are you all

01:58:38.540 --> 01:58:42.980
 going to keep the structural integrity of the neighborhood the way ... You know what

01:58:42.980 --> 01:58:43.980
 I mean?

01:58:43.980 --> 01:58:45.260
 You're nodding your head, yes.

01:58:45.260 --> 01:58:48.500
 That's a concern I would have, is you're not going to come in there and make craft-style

01:58:48.500 --> 01:58:53.220
 houses when all the houses around there are brick and stone, masonry and stuff, so ...

01:58:53.220 --> 01:58:57.940
 Yes, so the PD requirements aren't going to change in terms of architectural standards.

01:58:57.940 --> 01:59:03.420
 The HOA actually already has covenants in place that govern the design guidelines, and

01:59:03.420 --> 01:59:07.820
 those same design guidelines are going to be put in place for sections J and K. In fact,

01:59:07.820 --> 01:59:08.820
 they are already.

01:59:08.820 --> 01:59:09.820
 Okay, appreciate it.

01:59:09.820 --> 01:59:10.820
 Thank you.

01:59:10.820 --> 01:59:11.820
 Yes, sir.

01:59:11.820 --> 01:59:12.820
 Okay.

01:59:12.820 --> 01:59:13.820
 Commissioner Pruitt.

01:59:13.820 --> 01:59:14.820
 Thank you, Chair.

01:59:14.820 --> 01:59:22.000
 You kind of already answered half at least of it with Chair's question, but you ... So

01:59:22.000 --> 01:59:26.980
 I understand what the goal is and what the need is for the footprint increase.

01:59:26.980 --> 01:59:34.060
 My question is, what changed ... Was it a market change that led you to decide, "Hey,

01:59:34.060 --> 01:59:38.260
 we want to build different homes here than what we planned three years ago," or how does

01:59:38.260 --> 01:59:39.260
 that ...

01:59:39.260 --> 01:59:40.940
 Speaking candidly, I'm not quite sure.

01:59:40.940 --> 01:59:45.900
 I've been at Four Star for the last year, and I think this property was originally designated

01:59:45.900 --> 01:59:50.740
 as retail use, and maybe that's where that 33% building coverage came from.

01:59:50.740 --> 01:59:55.940
 I can't really tell you, but I can tell you that the standard residential zoning that

01:59:55.940 --> 02:00:01.740
 Julie presented to you earlier is around 50, 60%, and we're kind of in line with that same

02:00:01.740 --> 02:00:02.740
 standard.

02:00:02.740 --> 02:00:06.540
 And 33% is just, for our case, insufficient.

02:00:06.540 --> 02:00:11.540
 So I can't speak into more detail, unfortunately, but that's kind of the reasoning.

02:00:11.540 --> 02:00:12.540
 Okay.

02:00:12.540 --> 02:00:13.540
 Thank you.

02:00:13.540 --> 02:00:14.540
 Yes, sir.

02:00:14.540 --> 02:00:15.540
 Commissioner Villarreal.

02:00:15.540 --> 02:00:23.580
 So I was reading online constituent concerns, and a lot of the concern from some folks is

02:00:23.580 --> 02:00:31.540
 focused on flooding in the area, and permeability versus impermeability, and a drastic increase

02:00:31.540 --> 02:00:37.920
 to the impermeable surface, i.e. 33% lot coverage to 55%.

02:00:37.920 --> 02:00:42.260
 Have you spoken to constituents in the area about that concern at all, and what is the

02:00:42.260 --> 02:00:43.260
 response?

02:00:43.260 --> 02:00:44.260
 Yes, sir.

02:00:44.260 --> 02:00:45.260
 Yeah.

02:00:45.260 --> 02:00:49.300
 We've actually done a drainage study previous to speaking to constituents.

02:00:49.300 --> 02:00:52.940
 We've got stormwater protection in place currently, and a lot of those inlet protections are

02:00:52.940 --> 02:00:58.340
 ... they have a buffer so that the silt and soil runoff doesn't pollute waterways.

02:00:58.340 --> 02:01:02.900
 So I think this issue may remedy itself in the long term, but in the short term, I know

02:01:02.900 --> 02:01:07.860
 our development team is in conversation with those residents that have been impacted directly

02:01:07.860 --> 02:01:10.060
 and are working towards a solution.

02:01:10.060 --> 02:01:13.020
 So we've been in contact with the HOA and with the individual residents.

02:01:13.020 --> 02:01:14.020
 Thank you.

02:01:14.020 --> 02:01:15.020
 Yes, sir.

02:01:15.020 --> 02:01:16.020
 Thank you.

02:01:16.020 --> 02:01:17.020
 Any other questions?

02:01:17.020 --> 02:01:18.020
 Okay.

02:01:18.020 --> 02:01:19.020
 Thank you.

02:01:19.020 --> 02:01:20.020
 Yeah.

02:01:20.020 --> 02:01:21.020
 Thank you.

02:01:21.020 --> 02:01:26.860
 Julie, can I ask you a question?

02:01:26.860 --> 02:01:31.240
 Has the city done anything with ... I know we had Lakeview closed down for flooding.

02:01:31.240 --> 02:01:39.540
 Has the city been involved in any kind of remediation here or requirements or anything?

02:01:39.540 --> 02:01:43.660
 So the property is platted, and as part of that plating, they did have to go through

02:01:43.660 --> 02:01:45.860
 the civil engineering review.

02:01:45.860 --> 02:01:50.380
 I pulled those civil engineering plans just to see how that drainage is to work.

02:01:50.380 --> 02:01:54.300
 This property is intended, of course, to drain toward the street, which will then connect

02:01:54.300 --> 02:01:56.340
 to an inlet that's on Lakeview.

02:01:56.340 --> 02:02:00.960
 So according to those civil engineering plans in the review, that there was capacity within

02:02:00.960 --> 02:02:03.420
 that system to accommodate this property.

02:02:03.420 --> 02:02:07.780
 Do we know what happened that forced Lakeview to have to close for period due to flooding?

02:02:07.780 --> 02:02:10.840
 I don't know about that.

02:02:10.840 --> 02:02:13.060
 We should probably just keep tabs on that.

02:02:13.060 --> 02:02:16.620
 Maybe we're going to need some requirements as development happens here so that that does

02:02:16.620 --> 02:02:18.020
 not happen again.

02:02:18.020 --> 02:02:20.020
 That's a major effect for that neighborhood.

02:02:20.020 --> 02:02:21.020
 Absolutely.

02:02:21.020 --> 02:02:22.020
 Yeah.

02:02:22.020 --> 02:02:23.020
 Okay.

02:02:23.020 --> 02:02:24.020
 Thank you.

02:02:24.020 --> 02:02:25.020
 You bet.

02:02:25.020 --> 02:02:26.020
 This is a public hearing.

02:02:26.020 --> 02:02:27.020
 I don't have any other cards in front of me.

02:02:27.020 --> 02:02:29.740
 Is there anyone else wishing to speak on this item?

02:02:29.740 --> 02:02:30.740
 Okay.

02:02:30.740 --> 02:02:37.380
 Seeing none, I will close the public hearing and open the floor for a motion or discussion.

02:02:37.380 --> 02:02:38.380
 Commissioner Anderson.

02:02:38.380 --> 02:02:39.380
 I'll make a motion to approve.

02:02:39.380 --> 02:02:40.380
 Okay.

02:02:40.380 --> 02:02:41.380
 Commissioner Pruitt.

02:02:41.380 --> 02:02:42.380
 Yeah.

02:02:42.380 --> 02:02:45.140
 I'm going to go ahead and second this and support it.

02:02:45.140 --> 02:02:51.820
 I will say that when the zoning came before this body and council, I don't know if it

02:02:51.820 --> 02:02:54.540
 was three or three and a half years ago, whenever that was-

02:02:54.540 --> 02:02:56.180
 2019, I think, yeah.

02:02:56.180 --> 02:03:00.740
 I opposed to that change and I would continue to oppose that now just because I felt like

02:03:00.740 --> 02:03:08.300
 having zoning in place to allow this corner to evolve long-term was superior to locking

02:03:08.300 --> 02:03:13.300
 it into single-family home uses and forcing these residents to drive for three and a half

02:03:13.300 --> 02:03:16.460
 or four miles to get to a store.

02:03:16.460 --> 02:03:18.140
 But given that, that's not the question here.

02:03:18.140 --> 02:03:26.660
 The question here is what's a reasonable expectation of how someone can develop these lots with

02:03:26.660 --> 02:03:28.860
 the zoning that it has right now?

02:03:28.860 --> 02:03:35.300
 With that said, increasing the lot coverage from something that's below the median to

02:03:35.300 --> 02:03:41.860
 something that's reasonable for the area is perfectly acceptable to me.

02:03:41.860 --> 02:03:45.540
 We've got a first and a second for approval.

02:03:45.540 --> 02:03:48.620
 Is there any further discussion?

02:03:48.620 --> 02:04:00.740
 Let's go ahead and vote on the board please.

02:04:00.740 --> 02:04:13.620
 That motion carries 6-1, and that will move us to 5-E, PDA 220006.

02:04:13.620 --> 02:04:16.340
 Well Julie, come on back up just to kind of introduce the item.

02:04:16.340 --> 02:04:18.580
 If you don't mind, I'm going to go ahead and open the public hearing.

02:04:18.580 --> 02:04:19.580
 Appreciate that.

02:04:19.580 --> 02:04:20.580
 You bet.

02:04:20.580 --> 02:04:21.580
 Thank you.

02:04:21.580 --> 02:04:23.620
 Julie Wyatt, Senior Planner.

02:04:23.620 --> 02:04:25.560
 This is a plan development amendment.

02:04:25.560 --> 02:04:27.900
 This is also one of our legacy PDs.

02:04:27.900 --> 02:04:33.620
 It is for a car dealership along I-35.

02:04:33.620 --> 02:04:39.380
 They are making some, would like to make some changes to their buildings, reconstruct one

02:04:39.380 --> 02:04:44.440
 of their buildings, add some additional square footage as part of our PD amendment procedures.

02:04:44.440 --> 02:04:52.560
 That does require a public hearing, so that's what the request is.

02:04:52.560 --> 02:04:58.020
 Staff is still completing their analysis, and so that's the reason for that request

02:04:58.020 --> 02:05:00.760
 to that date certain of January 25th.

02:05:00.760 --> 02:05:01.760
 Okay.

02:05:01.760 --> 02:05:02.760
 Thank you very much.

02:05:02.760 --> 02:05:03.760
 You bet.

02:05:03.760 --> 02:05:08.740
 So we're going to go ahead and leave the public hearing open, and Commissioner Smith.

02:05:08.740 --> 02:05:13.540
 Make a motion to postpone the date certain of January 25th, 2023.

02:05:13.540 --> 02:05:14.540
 Commissioner Cole?

02:05:14.540 --> 02:05:15.540
 Second.

02:05:15.540 --> 02:05:20.620
 We've got a first and a second to postpone this item to a date certain of January 25th.

02:05:20.620 --> 02:05:21.620
 Any discussion?

02:05:21.620 --> 02:05:33.140
 Let's go ahead and vote on the board, please.

02:05:33.140 --> 02:05:35.860
 That motion carries 7-0.

02:05:35.860 --> 02:05:39.200
 That will take us to our planning and zoning commission project matrix.

02:05:39.200 --> 02:05:42.280
 I will turn the floor over to Tina.

02:05:42.280 --> 02:05:44.080
 Thank you, Chairman Ellis.

02:05:44.080 --> 02:05:48.380
 So in reviewing the matrix, wanted to give an update on a couple of items in working

02:05:48.380 --> 02:05:49.380
 with staff.

02:05:49.380 --> 02:05:53.820
 So the first item is regarding the report on the notification process to properties

02:05:53.820 --> 02:05:58.220
 in the ETJ, and I was looking at the date, and I guess we might be a little tardy on

02:05:58.220 --> 02:06:01.660
 non-dressing this one, so my apologies, Vice Chairman Smith.

02:06:01.660 --> 02:06:06.220
 But I was talking to Haley today and Julie, so we're going to target to bring a presentation

02:06:06.220 --> 02:06:11.780
 back on the 15th of February to just talk about our notification processes in general,

02:06:11.780 --> 02:06:17.060
 but also address the notification to property owners within the ETJ.

02:06:17.060 --> 02:06:20.380
 Regarding legislative update, I know this was something that the commission was also

02:06:20.380 --> 02:06:23.560
 interested in, so the legislature convened yesterday.

02:06:23.560 --> 02:06:29.540
 So as updates need to be provided to the commission, we'll let you know, I think we need to get

02:06:29.540 --> 02:06:33.320
 a little bit further into the legislative season just to see what is all being proposed

02:06:33.320 --> 02:06:37.560
 and to get a better flavor of that.

02:06:37.560 --> 02:06:42.700
 Regarding removing the minimum parking requirements from the DDC, so as we talked about when this

02:06:42.700 --> 02:06:47.220
 was added to the list back in September, the prioritization, and then when we bring this

02:06:47.220 --> 02:06:51.960
 back, we're going to work this through the Development Code Review Committee.

02:06:51.960 --> 02:06:56.220
 So they will be meeting here in about two weeks and having a conversation regarding

02:06:56.220 --> 02:06:58.340
 prioritizing the next batch of items.

02:06:58.340 --> 02:07:03.660
 So depending upon where that falls, we can provide the commission with a better update

02:07:03.660 --> 02:07:06.420
 as to when we think that might come back.

02:07:06.420 --> 02:07:09.680
 I was looking at the request for additional detail regarding the results of the TIAs.

02:07:09.680 --> 02:07:14.140
 This is really not necessarily a project item to bring back in terms of like a formal bootcamp

02:07:14.140 --> 02:07:15.320
 presentation.

02:07:15.320 --> 02:07:19.300
 So what I may do is move this down below annual updates or put it in other category.

02:07:19.300 --> 02:07:24.620
 So we've been trying to be very conscientious on making sure that we're addressing any recommendations

02:07:24.620 --> 02:07:29.140
 that are provided in the TIA when the appropriate project's coming forth.

02:07:29.140 --> 02:07:33.180
 And so hence why you saw that tonight, just to make sure we're clear moving that forward.

02:07:33.180 --> 02:07:36.780
 And then obviously we've got the AHD and so we'll get that calendared since that's just

02:07:36.780 --> 02:07:38.060
 a recent item.

02:07:38.060 --> 02:07:42.300
 A couple items that are not on here that I want to bring to your attention, because you

02:07:42.300 --> 02:07:44.380
 will have a role in these projects eventually.

02:07:44.380 --> 02:07:47.860
 And I know I've talked about these a little bit in the past, but the Northeast Area Plan,

02:07:47.860 --> 02:07:51.940
 we're having our formal kickoff meeting with our consultant actually this Thursday and

02:07:51.940 --> 02:07:52.940
 starting that work.

02:07:52.940 --> 02:07:58.980
 So Ron will be coming to you from time to time with additional items for discussion.

02:07:58.980 --> 02:08:02.980
 We'll be engaging the Planning and Zoning Commission at various points along the way

02:08:02.980 --> 02:08:04.740
 of that particular project.

02:08:04.740 --> 02:08:09.140
 That project is about a 10 to 12 month calendar associated with that.

02:08:09.140 --> 02:08:13.860
 So like I said, we'll engage you at certain points along the way as we work on that.

02:08:13.860 --> 02:08:19.640
 Southeast Area Plan, right now we're working on hopefully finalizing the contract with

02:08:19.640 --> 02:08:22.340
 the consultant that we're proposing to partner with.

02:08:22.340 --> 02:08:26.140
 And so hopefully we'll have that contract approved maybe late February, no later than

02:08:26.140 --> 02:08:28.660
 the 1st of March, but we're trying to work diligently on that.

02:08:28.660 --> 02:08:33.080
 But as soon as we get that contract approved, we'll be kicking off that project soon thereafter.

02:08:33.080 --> 02:08:35.700
 And then of course, we also have the Downtown Area Plan.

02:08:35.700 --> 02:08:39.340
 We have the RFQ still out on the street and we went ahead and extended the deadline on

02:08:39.340 --> 02:08:44.660
 submission just because of how the calendar was coinciding with the various holidays that

02:08:44.660 --> 02:08:45.660
 we've had here lately.

02:08:45.660 --> 02:08:50.700
 So in order to ensure that we get good, strong responses, we went ahead and continued that

02:08:50.700 --> 02:08:52.540
 until next week on the 18th.

02:08:52.540 --> 02:08:54.780
 So we'll start reviewing those proposals as well.

02:08:54.780 --> 02:08:59.100
 So it'll be a very busy year for the planning team as well as the commission because you'll

02:08:59.100 --> 02:09:02.540
 be engaged on all three of those projects at some point along the way.

02:09:02.540 --> 02:09:06.580
 So I just want to let you know what's happening there.

02:09:06.580 --> 02:09:11.900
 As it relates to items that have been considered by council since your last meeting.

02:09:11.900 --> 02:09:18.740
 So we did have city council meeting last night and we had, let's see, I know there were two

02:09:18.740 --> 02:09:19.740
 items on the agenda.

02:09:19.740 --> 02:09:20.740
 Let me get to them.

02:09:20.740 --> 02:09:25.260
 So one of them was with respect to a second reading associated with an annexation for

02:09:25.260 --> 02:09:30.520
 about 18 acres of land on the north side of university at Thomas Egan.

02:09:30.520 --> 02:09:35.580
 So the hard corner was a case that you had considered for light industrial zoning and

02:09:35.580 --> 02:09:38.780
 commission recommend approval and council subsequently approved it.

02:09:38.780 --> 02:09:42.100
 This is the remaining balance of the land that they had immediately to the north.

02:09:42.100 --> 02:09:44.860
 And so that annexation request got approved.

02:09:44.860 --> 02:09:49.020
 So I would anticipate you all having a zoning case here sooner than later on that particular

02:09:49.020 --> 02:09:50.020
 property.

02:09:50.020 --> 02:09:53.980
 And then the other item was the rezoning associated with the school district's property that they

02:09:53.980 --> 02:09:55.540
 have on Riney road.

02:09:55.540 --> 02:09:59.220
 And so that was also approved last night by city council.

02:09:59.220 --> 02:10:03.340
 There was a brief discussion on just the existing conditions of Riney road, again, the school

02:10:03.340 --> 02:10:07.020
 district partnering with the city on doing improvements to the road.

02:10:07.020 --> 02:10:12.340
 We the city are also looking into what it would take to be able to extend those improvements

02:10:12.340 --> 02:10:16.560
 on Riney road further to the to the east to Elm street.

02:10:16.560 --> 02:10:20.500
 So to know that we continue to work on that, I know the commission had some discussion

02:10:20.500 --> 02:10:24.220
 with respect to the access and circulation and just the impacts of the traffic on Riney

02:10:24.220 --> 02:10:25.340
 road.

02:10:25.340 --> 02:10:29.100
 And we continue to be in a collaborative effort with the school district as it relates to

02:10:29.100 --> 02:10:30.300
 that particular project.

02:10:30.300 --> 02:10:33.940
 So anyway, just those were the items that we had before council.

02:10:33.940 --> 02:10:36.760
 But if the commission has any questions about anything, happy to address them.

02:10:36.760 --> 02:10:37.760
 So thank you.

02:10:37.760 --> 02:10:39.380
 Thank you, Tina.

02:10:39.380 --> 02:10:43.980
 Any questions for Tina or anything to add to the matrix?

02:10:43.980 --> 02:10:44.980
 Commissioner Pruitt.

02:10:44.980 --> 02:10:45.980
 Thank you, Chair.

02:10:45.980 --> 02:10:50.680
 Yeah, this may be a very long term thing, given how full the schedule is from planning

02:10:50.680 --> 02:10:52.140
 staff this year.

02:10:52.140 --> 02:11:00.860
 But one thing I noticed council saw yesterday was the sort of report from the year's work

02:11:00.860 --> 02:11:09.140
 of the sustainability framework committee and actually just happenstance, the Department

02:11:09.140 --> 02:11:15.300
 of Energy came out with a big, big plan this week as well.

02:11:15.300 --> 02:11:19.100
 And some of those things, you know, talked a lot about land use, specifically one of

02:11:19.100 --> 02:11:24.380
 their big actions said, "Partner with local communities to develop and demonstrate effective,

02:11:24.380 --> 02:11:30.060
 equitable and scalable local or regional land use and planning solutions to increase convenience

02:11:30.060 --> 02:11:35.620
 and reduce emissions by making it possible for people to take fewer or shorter trips."

02:11:35.620 --> 02:11:42.800
 So I guess the request would be at whatever engagement level staff feels is appropriate

02:11:42.800 --> 02:11:50.340
 at the time to make sure that our commission is informed of the city's goals from a sustainability

02:11:50.340 --> 02:11:57.340
 perspective and how our decisions impact that, combined with making sure that the sustainability

02:11:57.340 --> 02:12:07.060
 committee is kind of given a little bit of planning staff's expertise about how those

02:12:07.060 --> 02:12:08.060
 things interrelate.

02:12:08.060 --> 02:12:09.620
 Does that make sense?

02:12:09.620 --> 02:12:11.460
 Yes, I believe so.

02:12:11.460 --> 02:12:16.580
 So to make sure that the planning and zoning commission is informed of the city's sustainability

02:12:16.580 --> 02:12:21.060
 goals as they particularly affect planning and zoning commission's decision, and I'm

02:12:21.060 --> 02:12:23.020
 sorry I missed the last part.

02:12:23.020 --> 02:12:30.100
 And vice versa, the sustainability framework committee would have an opportunity to learn

02:12:30.100 --> 02:12:34.380
 how planning decisions, land use and that sort of thing, impact the goals that they're

02:12:34.380 --> 02:12:35.380
 working on.

02:12:35.380 --> 02:12:36.380
 Okay.

02:12:36.380 --> 02:12:37.380
 Okay.

02:12:37.380 --> 02:12:38.380
 Thank you.

02:12:38.380 --> 02:12:39.380
 Great.

02:12:39.380 --> 02:12:44.140
 Anything else for the matrix?

02:12:44.140 --> 02:12:46.060
 Any concluding items?

02:12:46.060 --> 02:12:47.060
 Okay.

02:12:47.060 --> 02:12:53.340
 Seeing none, I'll go ahead and close our meeting at 7.55 p.m.

02:12:53.340 --> 02:12:53.820
 Thank you, everyone.