1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,760 All right. So with a quorum being present, I will now call this City of Denton Economic 2 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:17,040 Development Partnership Board meeting on Wednesday, January 11, 2020 to order. Just want to remind 3 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:22,920 everyone that this is being live streamed and recorded. So please say your name and 4 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:29,920 before you speak and speak loudly and clearly. And if you have phones, please turn those 5 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:35,600 off for the time being because I can't imagine anything more important than what we are doing 6 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:42,160 here together today. Let's change the world. We're going to start with items for consideration 7 00:00:42,160 --> 00:00:51,280 1A, EDP 23-004. Consider approval of the minutes of September 14, 2022. Those were in your 8 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:59,520 packet and distributed prior to today. At this time, the Chair will accept a motion for approval 9 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:07,760 as distributed in a second before we have a discussion. All right. It's been moved. 10 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:14,320 Do I hear a second? It's a second. All right. It's been moved and seconded. Are there any 11 00:01:14,320 --> 00:01:22,800 proposed edits to the minutes from where they were distributed? Any further discussion? 12 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:28,720 Hearing none, I will call the vote. All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. All 13 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:35,600 those opposed, please signify by saying nay. And are there any abstentions? All right. 14 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:42,880 The motion carries. Items for consideration B, EDP 23-005, elected Chair and Vice Chair 15 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:49,200 to the Economic Development Partnership Board. The further information about when that's 16 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:54,800 supposed to happen and how long those terms are was included in Exhibit 1 in the agenda 17 00:01:54,800 --> 00:02:00,480 information sheet. But these are one-year terms and anyone who is a voting member of 18 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:08,000 the board can serve as Chair and/or Vice Chair. The Chair gets together on the agenda before 19 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:18,240 we have our meetings and proposes on behalf of the board agenda items and governs the 20 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:23,600 meetings. And the Vice Chair does all of those things as well as fill in to chair the meetings 21 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:31,040 if the Chair is absent. Which can only occur less than three times annually for our commitment. 22 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:37,040 I read that in what I signed so. Wow. Yeah. You know what, I'm not the only one here that's 23 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:46,320 surprised that Steve can read. So this is a huge deal. You know, running one of the top 24 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:53,760 five taxpayers in our city and managing the health care of thousands and thousands and 25 00:02:53,760 --> 00:03:01,360 thousands of citizens. I'm thrilled, thrilled at your commitment to learning to read. Just 26 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:08,080 kidding. So currently I'm obviously serving as the current Chair and Steve is our Vice Chair. 27 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:15,280 But at this time I will accept nominations for Chair and then we will move to Vice Chair 28 00:03:15,920 --> 00:03:20,480 and again you can self nominate as well as nominate someone else. 29 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:30,320 Council Member Davis. I will nominate Jill Jester for Chair. Second. 30 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:37,200 Are there any other nominations for Chair for this next year? 31 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:48,560 Making it awkward. Just to make sure everyone feels like they've had an opportunity. 32 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:56,240 All right. Hearing no other nominations. All those in favor of Jill Jester to serve 33 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:02,480 as Chair for another year, please signify by saying aye. Aye. All those opposed, same sign. 34 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:09,680 Nay. I'm just kidding. I got time and it was off. If you could identify yourself. Yeah, Steve. 35 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:24,240 Read. Just kidding. Okay. Any abstentions? All right. Well the motion carries almost unanimously 36 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:30,320 and thank you for putting up with me for another year. Obviously I very much care about the City 37 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:38,080 of Denton and our prosperity will be. So thank you and sorry to staff and everyone that now has to 38 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:44,560 work with me whether you. Okay let's move on to Vice Chair. So at this time the floor is open 39 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:55,360 for nominations for Vice Chair for this next year of this board. Come on y'all. I did the last one. 40 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:09,280 Sure. All right. Who did you nominate? Steve Edgar. Are there any other nominations? 41 00:05:09,280 --> 00:05:18,000 All right. So there is one nomination for Vice Chair for this next year of this board and that 42 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:24,080 is Steve Edgar. All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. All those opposed, 43 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:33,360 please signify by saying nay. Any abstentions? Yeah. Mr. Edgar, congratulations. Thank you. 44 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:40,080 Oh my gosh. No more than three absences. I'm no more than three absences. All right. 45 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:54,960 Oh who seconded the motion? I'm gonna say Mr. Davis did because he raised his hand 46 00:05:54,960 --> 00:06:04,320 right after Mr. Tory did. Yeah I like it. All right well thank you and let's keep moving along. 47 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:11,120 Items for consideration CEDP 23-006. Receive a report and hold a discussion regarding activities 48 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:16,960 and development at Denton Enterprise Airport and we certainly appreciate our speaker coming back 49 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:23,280 to fill us in on what's happening. The airport is a huge conduit for economic development. 50 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:29,520 It's huge as far as visibility in our state and across the nation. It's so much busier than I 51 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:34,400 think people realize and we're very pleased to have the airport director here today to tell us 52 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:38,720 what's happening, what's on the horizon, and anything that we could be doing to help you. 53 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:44,240 So welcome. Thank you. Thank you. Good morning. I am Scott Gray. I'm the airport director for 54 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:50,560 Denton Enterprise Airport here in the city and I do have a presentation that you probably got in 55 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:55,120 your packet in November the last time I was here but believe it or not it was May of 2019 the last 56 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:59,840 time I was here so probably a lot of things have changed for those that were still on this board. 57 00:06:59,840 --> 00:07:04,720 I'll cover some of those and in the last two months even some of the PowerPoint has changed 58 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:14,080 so I'll cover some of those as well. So quickly in 2022 we finished the year with about 59 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:20,160 81 ground leases so that would be for anybody leasing land from the city. They typically build 60 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,840 their own facilities so they build their own hangars, they'll build their own office space, 61 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:29,600 whatever the case may be. So we have 81 tenants on the airport at the moment, underground leases. 62 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:36,320 42 businesses, so some of those businesses have multiple properties which our fixed base operators 63 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:45,120 do. So 42 businesses, maintenance, aircraft sales, charter, etc. So all of the different 64 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:50,720 aspects of aviation needs for the folks that visit our airport. We just finished our 65 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:59,200 base aircraft update. We did a hanger inspection, 425 base airplanes. 36 of those are corporate jets 66 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:04,000 and then the spattering of single-engine, multi-engine, med trans helicopters is there 67 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:09,840 so they have their helicopters there as well. And believe it or not there's two balloons 68 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:16,000 that we have. This happens to be an airline pilot that actually does balloons. I think she's been in 69 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:21,840 a couple of the city events in the last couple of years as well so she does have her balloons 70 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:29,120 at the airport as well. We do have two runways. So let's see in 2019 we would have been working 71 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:35,200 on our second runway. So now we have two runways. In the picture as you can see right here is our 72 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:42,720 primary runway and then the parallel runway is here. 7,002 feet for the primary, 5,002 feet 73 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:49,680 for the secondary. The secondary runway was added pretty much to help support flight training and 74 00:08:49,680 --> 00:08:57,920 separate traffic from faster, larger airplanes to the smaller airplanes which I think has addressed 75 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:02,240 the reason why we've seen an increase in our operations that I'll cover in a minute. 76 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:11,200 We have about 950 acres at the airport, most of which you can kind of see is it's right through 77 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:17,280 here. We do own this property here on this side and we do own this property right here as well 78 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,480 where the freeway will go through and I'll cover that in a minute as well. 79 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:32,720 Excuse me, could you reference this? Oh this one over here? Yeah absolutely, absolutely. So as the 80 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:38,880 title says busiest general aviation airport in the state of Texas. One can argue that but the state 81 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:44,320 said it so we're going to go with it. Generally speaking the operational levels for the busiest 82 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:52,720 is between us, Fort Worth, Meacham and McKinney. We all do about the same thing. We're in different 83 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:58,160 locations but flight training up or down any particular month will push somebody up for the 84 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:02,800 busiest for that month etc etc. But since the state agreed with me that we were the busiest we're going 85 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:09,840 to go ahead and keep using that. What's pretty exciting for us right now is this has 150 operations 86 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:17,840 per year. We blew that out of the water this year. We were almost 177,000 operations. So mainly 87 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:23,440 increased traffic not only from training so when we got the second runway people that weren't 88 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:29,680 willing to come use our airport because of one runway their safety concerns with larger aircraft 89 00:10:29,680 --> 00:10:35,280 and smaller aircraft. Having the secondary runway has been enticed not only our flight school that's 90 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:41,200 based at the airport to increase their their presence but also other aircraft are coming from 91 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:46,880 different airports and training at our facility as well. So let's see I started about five and a half 92 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:54,080 years ago. We were at 127,000 operations when I got here. So in five years we've seen about a 40% 93 00:10:54,080 --> 00:11:00,080 increase in operations. I would expect depending upon the economy that we would probably see a 94 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:06,800 little more growth in operations at the at the airfield. What we're hoping to see is an increase 95 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:13,520 in corporate activity. The training activity is great we need more pilots but those those folks 96 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:19,360 don't buy a lot of gas which is which are secondary revenue sources for the airport. So having 97 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:25,120 corporate airplanes fly particularly transient which means going to and from our airport somewhere 98 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:30,400 else will enhance not only the presence of the airport but in business activity at the at the 99 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:36,080 city. Yes sir. Back on the runways so 7,000 feet is there any corporate jet that can't get in the 100 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:43,920 dent now or what what can we have? We can accommodate pretty much any existing corporate 101 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:52,560 aircraft in the fleet. We actually have 737 it comes periodically DC-9s so 7,000 feet is sufficient. 102 00:11:52,560 --> 00:11:59,280 Now if it's 100 degrees in the summer they're fully loaded they're in a Gulfstream stage 650 103 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:06,560 maybe not be able to fully load with fuel or passengers they'll have to adjust for that. 104 00:12:06,560 --> 00:12:14,720 Thank you. We are the fourth busiest contract tower. So contract tower different from an FAA tower. So 105 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:22,080 FAA tower like McKinney excuse me like Meacham and like Dallas Fort Worth and Dallas Lovefield 106 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:27,760 those are operated built and operated by the FAA. Most of the smaller airports have what's called 107 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:34,080 contract towers where the the sponsor the municipality builds those facilities and then 108 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:38,880 the FAA pays their contractors to go work in it. It actually is about 109 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:48,800 20 percent of the cost of operating a FAA tower so it's a lot cheaper. So for smaller airports it 110 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:55,680 it's turned out to be a fantastic program. I believe there's nearly 300 of those towers in 111 00:12:55,680 --> 00:13:03,120 the program one of which is ours and we are number four across the country. The ones that are busier 112 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:10,240 really have a little bit better weather than we do. Arizona and Florida those are the two busiest ones 113 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:16,800 and they do a tremendous amount of flight training at those facilities. I always like this one I 114 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:20,880 think we're a little higher now the December numbers aren't into the FAA system to update that 115 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:28,480 number but we're number 89 in the country overall all airports is busiest. When I moved here I moved 116 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:32,560 here from Pennsylvania and Pittsburgh was number 90 so I thought well this is an upgrade so this is 117 00:13:32,560 --> 00:13:40,640 one step at a time one at a time. So this will be of interest to all of you folks and I'm sure that 118 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:47,600 you may have seen some of this information when it came out. TxDOT does a economic impact study for 119 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:53,520 all the airports of the state and this was what they gleaned from that when they did ours in 2018 120 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:59,840 obviously these numbers are different now. We've been encouraging TxDOT to create a web-based system 121 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:04,720 where we can actually change parameters and get new numbers on the fly. Some other states have done 122 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:12,000 that so we're interested in getting as new of information as we can. 2018 data doesn't really 123 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:19,840 tell us much today unfortunately but 1,400 jobs so that's jobs at the airport and that's jobs 124 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:26,480 that support the airport so could be jobs at rental car could be jobs at hotels etc etc office 125 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:33,280 supply companies so that's all that's all across the board not just at the airport. 45 million 126 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:37,760 dollars in payroll and you know 150 million dollars in goods and services and I'm sure 127 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:43,440 these numbers have been enhanced just with activity that's going on. You can see in some 128 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:49,760 of the pictures the types of airplanes we have corporate jets etc. We do have a number of service 129 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:58,000 providers so this has changed since November when I was here. We have two fixed base operators fixed 130 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:04,000 base operator is the ones they're kind of like the concierge of the of the airport they provide 131 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:09,840 fueling they arrange for catering they arrange for hotel rental cars etc so they're kind of the 132 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:15,120 concierge. They are a private business they lease property from us they they provide all the services 133 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:24,400 for us. US Jet Center was just purchased by Shelter Aviation which is a private company that operates 134 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:31,840 15 FBOs across the country mainly in Florida so they bought they bought their facility out and 135 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:38,640 they now have a presence they did their official opening December 7th I think it was when we did 136 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:46,240 the official ribbon cutting mayor was there for that event and we're excited about their presence 137 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:53,600 they have a history of being the number one FBO in the country over the last four years so it brings 138 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:58,160 a lot of professionalism and a lot of contacts that would be helpful for attracting those business 139 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:05,360 customers to our facility as well. US Trinity Aviation they are our other FBO so we have two 140 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:11,680 at the moment and then US Aviation Academy US Jet Center US Aviation Academy we're owned by the same 141 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:19,440 company the Aviation Academy stayed so they are leasing now from their new landlord and stayed 142 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:25,440 and they probably have nearly 200 airplanes just to do their flight training their biggest problem 143 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,520 is they don't have enough mechanics to keep the airplanes checked they have to do a check every 144 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:35,680 hundred hours so their their struggle is not that they don't have enough people that want to fly 145 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:40,640 it's making sure that the airplanes have been checked off so they can fly. Met Trans as I 146 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:45,840 mentioned earlier exciting news with them it just we went to council last night and was approved on 147 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:52,000 consent they've opted for their second parcel next to their development and then we'll be building 148 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:58,560 another facility there that will house their fixed wing training program so they do their helicopter 149 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,320 training program they'd be doing their fixed wing training program and additional helicopter 150 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:06,960 flight training devices there so we're excited about that taking place as well and then as I 151 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:13,920 mentioned earlier a number of other businesses that are at the facility. Development opportunities 152 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:22,560 this is this is on the east side of the airport so give you a perspective the terminal building 153 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:27,440 is right off the picture here so here's airport road coming right down here here's the terminal 154 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:33,440 area of the tower you can see right there so this is where most of our remaining property is on the 155 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:42,640 east side if it's in the green it's available if it's in red it's already part of leasehold and 156 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:47,200 these are right of first refusal so this is the parcel that Met Trans is going to build on 157 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:52,080 so here's their existing facility right here and they have this in their leases right of first 158 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:59,040 refusal when they decide to move on so they'll be building on that site. We do have applications 159 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:05,440 and development going to start on site 10 and 11 so those will probably be moving forward here in 160 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:12,880 the next several months as soon as we get some design criteria from that and then with shelter 161 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:19,520 coming in they've already expressed interest not only do they run FBOs but they do hanger development 162 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:24,080 across the country so they're interested in expanding our hanger presence because 163 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,960 we don't have any places to put all those corporate jets that are going to come 164 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:31,920 right there's no more room so they're very interested in in developing some of these parcels 165 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:42,640 and maybe expanding on some of their old leasehold. So this is a significant piece to the future of 166 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:48,880 the airport is Luke 288 and I know Luke 288 has probably been talked about for a couple decades 167 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:57,360 I would imagine it never fails it's always that way right. Our excitement with this is that's 168 00:18:57,360 --> 00:19:04,560 what's going to allow us to develop this parcel here which is aviation and then as I mentioned we 169 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:10,880 own this parcel right here that the free world will be coming through that'll allow the airport 170 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:16,640 not only to have additional aviation resources on that side but it'll also allow us to diversify 171 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:24,480 have non-aviation related revenue if say class a office space restaurant whatever the case may be 172 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:29,680 could be on airport property and we could glean additional revenues that we're not seeing now. 173 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:39,120 Unfortunately it's not there yet I don't know when it will be there yet I know TechSoc's in 174 00:19:39,120 --> 00:19:45,200 the process of doing all their acquisition of the right away so if that's taking place now I'm 175 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:52,640 guessing we're still five plus years out to see that happen and I'll be gracious with five years. 176 00:19:53,440 --> 00:20:00,000 The key for our success is if we could get right here's Jim Crystal if we could get the north 177 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:06,000 northbound access road built first which I know there's conversations with TechSoc to build that 178 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:11,440 piece that'll open us up with development opportunities when that starts right now 179 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:19,520 which is very different property in between the current we own this and we own this parcel right 180 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:26,560 here so it'll split that parcel some of that's floodplain you know obviously some issues there 181 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:32,320 I'm sure we'll work with parks and do something exciting over there for the can't be developed but 182 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:39,600 obviously the future of our airport is is really getting this this access to that side because 183 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:45,600 that can expand our development opportunities as you know Cole and Hunter Ranch will be all through 184 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:53,920 here south of the airport we're hopeful that that will draw additional folks that need corporate 185 00:20:53,920 --> 00:21:02,080 travel that need class a office space etc etc I say this and I'll hope I don't offend anybody 186 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:07,040 but I've said this ever since I got here frozen peas don't fly on airplanes so we have a lot of 187 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:13,200 development around the industrial park which is great you know I'm sure it's fantastic for the city 188 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:19,440 but that doesn't put people on airplanes we need corporate presence in order to enhance our our 189 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:27,760 airport activity so we do work closely with Wayne and his staff on people that are interested in 190 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:33,680 bringing warehousing etc and then if there's an aviation component how we can how we can help with 191 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:45,680 that this this picture here is from the airport master plan that was completed 15 2015 I believe 192 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:53,600 it was 2013 data so what this shows is what was proposed to happen in the in that different time 193 00:21:53,600 --> 00:22:00,080 frames right it's a 20-year plan this was to show what would be proposed in in different sections 194 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:06,640 of that plan as you can see this piece right here is that parallel runway which is already 195 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:11,520 constructed so some of these things are done some of these things have already been foregone 196 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:18,000 because the property was used for for a different type of development versus t hangers etc the fire 197 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:24,800 station I believe was shown to be right over here the fire station actually is currently under 198 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:29,440 construction right next to the terminal building because it was a better location for access not 199 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:38,080 only for airport but also for the firefighters to respond to the industrial area etc so the exciting 200 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:45,520 thing about about this picture some of this stuff is done and we've convinced the fa and tech stock 201 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:52,080 to do another update to our master plan and that's what we're going to be starting here shortly as I 202 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:56,400 mentioned the fire station there's a picture a rendering of what the fire station will look like 203 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:00,880 if you've been out to the airport before here's the terminal building right here towers just off 204 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:06,880 the picture so we kind of created it to kind of look like it all fit in at the same time period 205 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:12,240 so we didn't have something that looked a little older or something a little newer a few facade 206 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:17,120 changes will be done to the terminal building to help it match so that project fencing is up they'll 207 00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:23,920 start moving dirt here probably in the next week and that project's likely going to take about 16 208 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:32,240 months to finish barring any additional supply chain issues that obviously we faced for a long 209 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:37,920 time this is the fire truck that was it was purchased it's probably been a little over a 210 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:43,840 year ago now that that came in so we already have the fire truck that one will be stationed 211 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:49,520 here along with two other trucks the other two trucks obviously will respond to other incidents 212 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:56,400 within their range the master plan as I mentioned that will likely go to council for a contract for 213 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:06,160 our consultant to in march and then that project will take 18 months that project will look at all 214 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:12,560 opportunities available to the city for our airport so not just general aviation not just corporate 215 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:17,920 flight training but they will be looking at similar to what mckinney did is there a necessity to have 216 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:26,400 passenger service is there is a necessity to have cargo activity obviously alliances is pretty much 217 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:35,040 full at this point so that will be looked at and that process the master plan is a pretty 218 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:41,520 strange straightforward process but we're asking our planning firm to kind of ask the questions 219 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:47,280 about what we could be and then allow us to go to the council and say these are these are directions 220 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:52,320 which which exit we want to take who do we want to be over the next 20 years and then we'll develop 221 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:57,440 the rest of the plan accordingly so that could mean runway pavement strength increases could be 222 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:04,880 runway length could be you know different facilities etc etc that that that plan will help us get there 223 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:10,880 the next project which we were working with the fa and texas on that went to council last night as 224 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:19,440 well to finish the design is a nearly 20 million dollar runway reconstruction project so our primary 225 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:26,880 runway hasn't been touched in decade or more so there's major cracks there's some subsurface 226 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:33,360 issues some of which we've repaired as we kind of log just so happened the acting administrator 227 00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:38,560 from the fa happened to show up out at the airport and i gave him a tour and allowed him to stick his 228 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:43,840 hand down into the runway into the crack and the next thing i know the fa's number one project for 229 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:49,440 the region happens to be our 20 million dollar project so we got we got lucky that he came and 230 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:55,760 visited with his staff so that project's going to probably move forward with design here very quickly 231 00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:01,680 with construction happening at the end of this year through part of next year our biggest concern 232 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:07,200 is is as you can imagine if we're that busy we got to close this runway how long it's going to be 233 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:13,600 closed it's not uncommon for engineers and to say well you need to be closed for three or four months 234 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:20,160 and three or four months closure for an airport doesn't really work well right as you can imagine 235 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:26,640 so we've indicated to them hey we know walmart got their runway reconstructed completely similar 236 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:31,920 length as ours in two weeks so i think you guys need to go back and figure out how we can do it 237 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:37,280 better i'll give you 30 days that's how much time i'll give you so that's where we're working towards 238 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:42,080 now they got to finish the design figure out how we can get there but anything we can do to minimize 239 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:46,800 the downtime for our primary runway for our for our businesses that are located there and then our 240 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:54,960 customers that are coming in as our primary goal there we go now i'll open it up with any questions 241 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:59,920 that you might have nothing's off off the limits councilmember davis and if anyone else has a 242 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:05,040 question just raise your hand i'll make notes and we'll go down the line go ahead uh talking about 243 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:09,600 the fire department can you tell us a little bit about the economic impact that will have and kind 244 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:15,600 of obviously more fire fire stations the better uh better emergency response and all that kind of 245 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:21,360 stuff for that part of town um but having it at the airport why is that so important it's a great 246 00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:31,840 question um mainly uh large corporate operators um will actually call especially international 247 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:36,880 customers and we've had some international customers come they come from england they'll 248 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,880 land to clear customs someplace else and then they'll come to us for whatever reason they're 249 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,520 doing business and they'll ask those questions quite often from international travelers if you have 250 00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:52,800 arf is what it's called aircraft rescue and firefighting on the airport while we do the 251 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:59,040 truck is there there's the uh the firefighters respond from either station three which is by 252 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:05,680 ut or station seven which is down off of vintage they respond get in the truck and then then they're 253 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:12,640 there um so what the significant is is sometimes those operators have sops in their own operation 254 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:17,360 of their aircraft they won't go to an airport that doesn't have on-site are especially if they're 255 00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:27,440 carrying passengers right um so i think it will make a big difference in future decisions by 256 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:34,240 businesses wanting to be located or operate to and from is because we will have we will have on-site 257 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:40,320 fire response so in order in order to handle larger airplanes and things like that you have 258 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:46,000 we've discussed this many times before it's part 139 which is a safety certification from the 259 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:51,040 airport we operate that way since i've been here but we just don't have a certificate because we 260 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:57,120 don't have a need to have one that requires firefighters to respond to the middle of the 261 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:03,920 runway within three minutes well obviously now that's very difficult to do is to get somebody 262 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,760 from station three or seven over get in the truck and get the apparatus out to the middle of the 263 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:19,600 runway obviously being on the airport we'll be able to meet that yes oh councilmember davis and 264 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:26,160 mr corey yes i heard the news today that uh most of the major airports shut down because of uh 265 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:33,360 system problems how does it affect our airport with that national system problem and did it 266 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:40,800 affect our airport today yes so that was the note of system which um they changed the name of it so 267 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:48,400 it was the notice to airmen is what the official name was everybody that has a safety issue 268 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:56,000 piece of pavements closed etc etc reports that to the fa that thing is available to all pilots that 269 00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:02,560 are going to and from those airports that system in about 1800 zulu last night so give or take 270 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:13,040 24 hours ago um went down um which then pilots can't get the safety information that they may 271 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:18,240 need so throughout the night i had emails throughout the night because i'm on that system 272 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:23,760 um that it was broken at some point in time the fa decided that they were going to do a ground 273 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:30,960 stop for all commercial airlines and i think it actually expanded to all ifr which is basically 274 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:37,680 corporate and uh commercial airlines so they did a ground stop because the pilots couldn't get the 275 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:42,400 safety information where they were going let's say a piece of navigation of equipment was 276 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,480 non-operational they wouldn't know that so they'd be trying to tune in while they're flying and they 277 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:53,760 can't get it you know that kind of stuff so um for the airlines major impact major impact for us 278 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,960 yeah we did see some corporate airplanes that were sitting on the ground waiting to leave 279 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,360 because they they were have to wait till the ground stop was over flight training and those 280 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:06,400 types of things were unaffected so we still had airplanes operating but we had a few corporate 281 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:12,400 airplanes i could tell that were sitting there uh apu's running indoors closed going hmm what 282 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:18,400 are we going to get out of here um so yeah they they did lift that uh before this meeting started 283 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:24,800 so um hopefully that won't have any future impact on us at least today the airlines i'm sure 284 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:29,520 especially unfortunately southwest will probably struggle through it because the way their system 285 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:34,400 works as we found out recently with some of the things that they struggled with it'll have an 286 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:40,480 impact on their operation was there any kind of dollar negative was there any kind of dollar 287 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:49,200 negative effect for our airport you know it has an impact on business operators right um but it's 288 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:55,520 back operational so you know i'm sure the fa is going to be doing a full-blown investigation to 289 00:31:55,520 --> 00:32:00,720 try to figure out how they can have that never happen again um we'll see what happens but it is 290 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,600 an important system that we we rely on as an airport operator to tell pilots when there's a 291 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:10,320 piece of pavement closed or there's a situation the navigational facility doesn't work whatever 292 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,120 it's down for maintenance so it's important that it does work 293 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,560 council member days can you talk a little bit you mentioned the master plan and the master plan 294 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:28,880 process and there will be a point in that process where you kind of stop and set the vision kind of 295 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:33,680 pick a i think you said pick an offer pick an exit or pick a direction can you tell us a little 296 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:38,800 bit about what some of those directions might be knowing that we've still got a whole planning 297 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:43,520 process to go through but what are we talking about what are some different things that we could do 298 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:51,600 if we're already really performing at this top tier and pretty busy sure um so it's it's pretty 299 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:56,720 much the character of the airport so we're a general aviation airport we don't have scheduled 300 00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:02,800 airline service we don't have large cargo operators like alliance we have small cargo 301 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:09,040 operators and occasional deliveries for peterville etc because we can handle certain size airplanes 302 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:15,360 so that's who we are that's who this airport's been for its existence right unless it was when 303 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:22,560 it was a military um training facility so that's one direction we continue to be general aviation 304 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:27,920 we continue to expand for corporate business purposes private flyers etc the other one is 305 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:34,320 like mckinney's doing current commercial service do we think that commercial service would be 306 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:40,320 warranted in this area of the metroplex right so we'd have to go through very similar things that 307 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:48,720 that mckinney has already gone through over the last several years so is the area the metroplex 308 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:57,600 have demand large enough that another facility would be warranted right then we could venture 309 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:03,360 down that path right building a terminal building on the other side with the freeway etc and then 310 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:10,960 second to that different than what we are would be larger cargo operation something similar if 311 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:17,920 you will to what alliance is doing we can be who we are not a lot of changes other than you know 312 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:23,040 some additional infrastructure taxiways connectors stuff to get people from the runways to the new 313 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,760 facilities if you start talking passenger service then you need a new terminal building you need all 314 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:34,320 of that infrastructure and i think mckinney is considering floating a pretty large huge um 315 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:41,360 bond to do that i i heard numbers of 400 million i believe the construction for the terminal 316 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:48,400 building and to get them started is 200 million um to give them four gates and have some operations 317 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,320 to do that cargo obviously is a whole different animal because you need 318 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:59,600 large warehouses that are connected either airside connected so they would be on airport property 319 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:06,800 where the aircraft in the earth and the facility is a joint versus just in the industrial park 320 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:12,000 because you have to get it from the airplane to the storage facility etc etc so there'll be some 321 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:19,280 logistics with that but those are really the three off-ramps right could there be a combination of 322 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:24,800 all of those it's impossible there could be a combination of those when you when you take 323 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:32,080 one of those it impacts the others right so if you decide you want to have passenger service then 324 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:37,040 that'll likely have an impact on decisions for the general aviation facilities you may see operators 325 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:41,360 decide they don't want to operate at our airport anymore flight schools may decide they would like 326 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:46,800 to go someplace less congested with large airplanes etc etc so all those things will have to take 327 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:55,120 into consideration normally when you do an airport master plan you don't make that pause you just go 328 00:35:55,120 --> 00:36:01,520 they they come back with here's the plan to accommodate everything we can think of that 329 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:07,920 that makes sense for this this region i believe it's important for us to kind of make sure 330 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:14,320 that the council and the citizens understand here's our options and what makes sense for us 331 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:20,160 is the city not just the airport but for the city of what we need and what would be supported and 332 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:28,000 then make the appropriate capital choices right could be runway length could be increased pavement 333 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:33,360 strength currently in order to view passenger service we could do passenger service with smaller 334 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:39,200 airplanes right now today we could probably figure out a way to make that happen but if you're going 335 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:46,400 to use you know aircraft bigger than 737s like a320s things like that for cargo or passenger 336 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:53,600 service our runway is generally not strengthened enough to handle that size airplane runway length 337 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:58,960 is debatable you know we have seven thousand some argue we need eight for certain types of aircraft 338 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:05,760 operations some say ten you know all of those things can be done it'll take a pretty good chunk 339 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:12,160 of money because we've got to cross drainage areas we may have to relocate roadways etc etc so 340 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:22,400 that will have major impacts on whatever direction we get yes for our help with executive assistant to 341 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:32,080 jill jester uh question along those lines do commercial airport department do uh like like 342 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:39,920 what mckinney's done does that make money do those does it does it is it is it a a service or is it a 343 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:45,120 moneymaker right is it is going to catch recapture those costs or is it a convenience quote unquote 344 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:51,440 cost great question mayor and and the general answer is depending upon the size of the airport 345 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:56,000 right so if you take mckinney they're going to get started they're going to start off as the lowest 346 00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:03,360 level commercial service facility so there's non-hub small medium being dallas lovefield 347 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:09,120 and large being dfw right those are kind of the sizes so you're going to start off small 348 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:15,040 generally when you're in the non-hub maybe even the small you started you probably aren't making 349 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:22,160 much money probably costing you there's a lot of investment up front to get it and then it may come 350 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:29,760 as the service expands you get additional airlines etc etc but to start no it will be more of a 351 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:38,560 service to the region than it would be as a economic impact to their bottom line got and 352 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:43,680 follow up to that so councilmember davis and i were at alliance and talking to h ross brod jr 353 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:50,480 obviously wildly successful built that from the ground up uh and and he seems and so i trust his 354 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:58,240 insight to say that uh there's an opportunity for us to get into that market and just because of 355 00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:04,240 where we're located and obviously he has a dog in the hunt because he has 3000 acres near but i i 356 00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:10,320 trust his his vision i mean they created it from scratch that that uh that industrial side of things 357 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:14,880 that freight side of things but looking at the passenger side of things i think it from a rail 358 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:20,720 standpoint from a why would someone from lewisville come to denton standpoint and driving people to 359 00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:27,760 denton uh and not having denton citizens have to drive to lovefield etc i think it makes a lot of 360 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:33,120 sense and so i look forward to the study coming back and my ask is just that we we focus on what 361 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:38,640 we can be outstanding and so there's obviously a lot of talk about drones right and so maybe if we 362 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:44,640 specialize in that i just want us to be uh uniquely specialized in an area like the flight school's 363 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:51,600 done well med transit's done well and if we can somehow be a hub quote unquote or a a source for 364 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:57,360 drone as uh services as that takes off and we begin to build infrastructure around that i think 365 00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:02,720 that's just most important that we specialize in something outside of just convenience but but my 366 00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:07,600 other ask would be my question would be is there anything that prevents us i forget the name of the 367 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:15,840 the freight the the the airline but it's like jst jxt it's a smaller kind of is that is there 368 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:20,080 anything preventing us from reaching out to them and saying hey you can fly from here right now as 369 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:26,000 and use them as a test case no we can reach out to whomever we want the issue would be what size 370 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:31,120 airplanes do they use and will our facilities accommodate so is the airplane too big way too 371 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:39,200 much then obviously that's a challenge but um we could we can provide service with less than 30 372 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:48,880 seats without having our part 139 safety certification so for example um unt and some of their opponents 373 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:56,320 have used our airport to move their sports teams not the football team because they use a an a320 374 00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:01,600 and they go out of alliance um because it's a very large airplane but some it is used currently 375 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:08,160 today and we can help make that happen but no we can reach out to operators like that um and uh try 376 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:13,600 to accommodate them again the the thing that we probably don't have to accommodate it immediately 377 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:19,680 is a terminal facility that meets the demand of having that number of people at that location 378 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:24,160 waiting to get on the airplane so that would be the one thing that we would have to do and most 379 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:29,200 likely that's going to end up being on the other side of the airport right because we have the 380 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:34,320 developable um developable property we have the opportunity from a clean slate to build what's 381 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:39,760 needed um rather than trying to retrofit something that doesn't quite meet the need doesn't say we 382 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:44,720 can't make that happen in a shorter term to allow it to happen but certainly we can we can talk to 383 00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:52,480 those folks got important just before i forget you mentioned drones typically referred to as uavs 384 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:59,920 that is part of the master plan study to find out if we can be a player in that if you will 385 00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:09,280 charter to and from our facility maybe overdue lowfielder dfw business areas etc etc as being 386 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:14,400 done in the dallas area and i'll just close with this i mean i think it may be a worthy 387 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:20,640 field trip for this group to get so i went down to alliance at the service center gulf street does 388 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:25,920 and so that phase one of it is there and i think it'd be a worthy field trip to just understand 389 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:31,360 the economic impact of partnering i mean there's people by they can't build them fast enough and 390 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:37,600 the entry level plane is 29 million dollars so a person that has 29 million dollars and a flight 391 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:45,040 crew and a support staff on the plane has disposable income or that company does and so just the the 392 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,840 dollars tighten again that's entry level i mean you you get up there and they're all customized 393 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:57,360 and just kind of understanding what that brings to our community in and out as they're getting 394 00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:05,520 things done is is pretty impactful and introduces a whole different business climate to to the city 395 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,680 of denton and then when you talk about office space it makes that conversation easier because 396 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:14,320 they're familiar at a different level so i mean i don't know what it would take to kind of get us 397 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:20,560 all on a bus to go down but i think it is pretty impactful and pretty impressive to see and that's 398 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:25,040 just one of the makers i mean i'm sure there's a million but that just kind of is here in this 399 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:31,120 area easy to get to and kind of gives a feel for what we could achieve if we could hit the right 400 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:40,240 mix a gulf stream is is one of the top that's like the gold star brand out there and when they were 401 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:47,120 looking to expand in the area we were certainly extremely interested having the developable 402 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:52,720 property on the other side because they're a large general aviation corporate aircraft developer 403 00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:59,920 fit who we were at the time unfortunately and don't blame them of picking where they went because the 404 00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:06,160 facilities were natural for them to fit but that may be something you know if there's continued 405 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:12,320 expansion either by them or from martier some of the other operators we were approached about 406 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:17,440 somebody who wanted to build brand new airplanes and come to our facility but i mean they're talking 407 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:25,840 airplanes that are probably can't fit in any other airport besides dfw and alliance at the moment 408 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:30,000 because they're so big that they're going to build it we just can't handle that type of airplane we 409 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:36,000 love to try right it's getting there it's going to be the challenges how do we how do we stack up the 410 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:42,080 funding grant funding etc to get us those facilities to have those and it's it's one of those 411 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:48,560 build it before they come you know because sometimes you know the airline industry is is 412 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:54,480 reactive they they want it now and they want to show up and start service when they want to start 413 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,800 service it's not usually the other way around where the communities hey we really want you to 414 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:03,200 be here they have to have a business model that works for them to come so that's that's the 415 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:08,960 challenge for passenger service cargo there's just lack of space in the metroplex right now 416 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:16,400 well i think maybe a trip to the airport would be beneficial not also i don't think we have time to 417 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:22,160 get into it today but i'd also like to talk about how creative the funding can be for all of these 418 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:30,880 different needs development reconstruction all the above but i think that would be a nice deep dive 419 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:38,560 as well to see what role the city plays versus the state the ffa etc we have had a reception out 420 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:45,440 there at economic development partnership board and our investors have been out there for a reception 421 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:50,960 which was really great we had some planes we got to look at but maybe something like that would be 422 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:58,800 really helpful and increase awareness in the community so that if something like a bond at 423 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:04,560 some point comes forward we can assist in being a conduit to the community as far as what is really 424 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:10,400 happening out there and what people are saying and i think we've hosted one of your meetings 425 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:17,040 in the past as well as well as well as that's of interest great well anything else before we let 426 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:23,440 mr greg go back to work and uh i gotta go to the celebration we're uh we're celebrating the 427 00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:32,400 busiest year the airport so we have some food and cake so i promise to bring this taylor back 428 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:40,720 so no wine so i won't be gone okay just okay i suppose you could bring your own but i 429 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:48,880 well thank you so very much we really appreciate you and look forward to continuing our conversation 430 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:56,240 great thank you all right thank you thank you so much all right um we are closing in on noon so 431 00:46:56,240 --> 00:47:03,680 we're going to try to move past these next items of consideration as soon as possible um moving 432 00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:12,800 on to i'm is for consideration d edp 23-002 um receiver or hold a discussion and give staff 433 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:20,480 direction regarding the meeting dates and times for the calendar year 2023 so in uh your packet 434 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:30,160 and i believe on your tables in front of you we have two different alternate versions and one is 435 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:38,880 a quarterly meeting calendar one is a monthly meeting calendar and uh we're having a presentation 436 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:51,600 on that or just we're talking about it right yes it was let me get yeah well um so i mean i think 437 00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:56,880 it's it's you know fair to say that we've had some issues with core in the past year and there have 438 00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:05,120 also been instances where there's not necessarily something that we need to weigh in on um so this 439 00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:12,800 option is being presented to have a quarterly meeting set versus monthly um in my opinion i 440 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:19,120 think it would be best to continue to be flexible so long as all of the individual members are very 441 00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:25,280 good about responding to uh whether or not they're going to be present so that if we know there's not 442 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:31,760 going to be a quorum we can cancel ahead of time so that no one wastes time additionally if there's 443 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:38,320 nothing new to be voted on to be discussed and presented to council uh that we are just flexible 444 00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:44,720 but you know my initial thought is that having these monthly meetings on hold for us will be 445 00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:51,360 easier to get everyone together in case in between those quarterly meetings we do have something that 446 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:58,160 comes up that we need that we want to weigh in on before it goes to council and um that we have that 447 00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:03,840 time that's set aside and we let everyone know as far in advance as possible whether those are going 448 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:11,440 to be needed uh but um wayne i don't know if you have further thoughts on the choice of calendars 449 00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:18,640 going from quarterly to monthly and then after mr emerson we can open up the conversation to everyone 450 00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:24,800 go ahead i would only say that we can always if we have a quarterly schedule we can always have 451 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:31,920 a special call meeting and we could hold those special call meetings on these dates i mean it's 452 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:36,240 always an option to do a special call meeting so that would be the only other thing i would 453 00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:43,360 add to the conversation um erin do you have any thoughts or where's is dan here do you have any 454 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:51,040 um i think for sake of calendaring it's easier to maintain a holding on the calendar just because i 455 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:55,840 know that we have so many different calendars and different professions in this room so 456 00:49:55,840 --> 00:50:01,680 i think it would be easier to hold the dates and then cancel if one is not available or there's no 457 00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:10,160 updates so let's open it up for a discussion i mean there's no right or wrong answer um i don't know 458 00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:19,200 how to turn that off apologize for the son of a gun dingy angel is getting in between so someone's 459 00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:26,640 opening a bottle at one um you know what i'm just gonna i'm just gonna slow it yes so i would just 460 00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:32,800 my comment would be what would work best for staff and from an organizational from a meeting 461 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:39,200 perspective if it works better for for you guys for for them to have a monthly set meeting and 462 00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:48,560 then we adjust uh cancel or reschedule for the next month then uh i mean i in my opinion we try 463 00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:54,800 to make it easy as possible for this body to respond you know when we have to we need to all right 464 00:50:54,800 --> 00:51:04,080 i would say what makes it easy for staff is what makes it easy for the board because for us it just 465 00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:11,360 takes staff time preparing to have a board meeting and so we're we're more than happy we're here to 466 00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:16,720 serve at the pleasure of the board so what makes it easy for y'all is actually what makes it easiest 467 00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:23,760 for us that's the best way to answer that no i would say monthly go ahead yeah i'd just say 468 00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:29,360 monthly and then to your point if we're open and honest about if we can make or not make that that 469 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:36,960 kind of then you can count noses early and let everyone know we're not meeting but i do want to 470 00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:44,160 stress that this only works if we are all being we're all good about communicating if we are not 471 00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:51,920 going to be able to make it if we have a conflict and we will also i think work together to also 472 00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:56,320 make sure that we're not having a meeting if a meeting is not needed right i mean everyone's got 473 00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:06,160 other things they uh have as priority as as well um however i i think there is a lot out there to 474 00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:17,200 talk about discuss learn about and advocate for uh that uh that we have not had the opportunity 475 00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:25,040 to touch on just yet so um anyways but those are my thoughts but yes i think to your point 476 00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:32,240 is maybe establishing some norms about what when do we decide we want to cancel when when do we 477 00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:38,720 want to decide someone's if we don't have rsvps are we we have that form so that we avoid situations 478 00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:44,880 like last time where you guys are all very busy professionals we show up and then we don't have 479 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:50,560 a meeting so i think maybe we could establish norms about when do we decide we want to call it 480 00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:57,440 that would be beneficial to staff as well is there anything in our charter that requires 481 00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:05,920 in-person attendance is there an option of having especially i know we've had to do that several 482 00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:14,400 times in the last couple of years of offering to arrive at forum webex or zoom option as well 483 00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:21,120 not that i'm aware of i'm not aware of any specific in-person requirement versus 484 00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:30,000 we are not having um the web or virtual meetings any longer we do need to meet in person and we do 485 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:36,720 need to have a forum which is one more than half of the appointed board members so that is the stated 486 00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:41,280 requirement and that's just all boards across the yeah it's an open 487 00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:51,280 state requirement that we have to have let's um let's go to the capital yes yeah we have a physical 488 00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:59,440 in-person quorum um there's also a little bit of a technical limitation with where we meet because 489 00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:05,600 when we're broadcasting they have to do a very different setup it looks the same to folks watching 490 00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:10,720 from home but it's technically a very different setup to getting them meeting out and how they 491 00:54:10,720 --> 00:54:16,400 report it because you're accommodating sometimes you see a presentation sometimes you see a split 492 00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:23,600 screen of the room and the guy on zoom or 300 people on zoom whatever it is it's technically 493 00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:30,160 very difficult i don't know if they could accommodate here probably accommodate another location 494 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:39,120 but similarly that would be if we decided to do in a meeting at the airport that broadcast 495 00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:45,360 would have to be considered how we can make that happen there or any other remote location i don't 496 00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:52,160 think we can live stream from say the airport or the dist building when the city council meets with 497 00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:57,600 dist there or something like that that's all recorded and then broadcast later which is an option 498 00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:04,320 but uh i just i don't think that's necessarily just positive i'm just put it out there there's 499 00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:09,360 also a technical limitation it just adds an additional consideration not not impossible 500 00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:15,920 it's a different consideration um i like holding just for my own schedule i like holding the 501 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:22,720 the the date so i know so it's on the calendar and if it cancels goodie i get to be at my desk that 502 00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:32,320 hour um you really said it it just just means another meeting takes place another another 503 00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:36,880 something another demanding place um but we do that it's been pretty successful some other city 504 00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:42,080 origin commissions i think that they may not need to meet every month but they have a calendar and 505 00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:50,000 that helps get born there and then um it may be it may be helpful if we get down to there's an 506 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:55,600 agenda we have enough for a meeting there's enough meat on the bone to have the meeting but we're not 507 00:55:55,600 --> 00:56:00,640 hearing back from folks um i don't know what the current kind of staff protocol is for reaching out 508 00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:05,200 but i'll work with funtree you know if there's some trouble getting a hold of somebody i'll 509 00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:09,680 i'll help get people calls and make sure they're going to be there and you're not going to forget 510 00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:14,560 as soon as you RSVP that kind of thing because it's time out of our day too we should open up one 511 00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:22,400 agree yes i just offer one other suggestion not too many the water but other boards i sit on and 512 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:28,640 boards that i manage tend to take off july and december so in the region i've noticed a lot of 513 00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:34,800 like 10 month boards or add one more challenge but if you know if we don't need if there's if 514 00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:39,600 those are heavy travel months realize i work in academia not everybody does but it still 515 00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:46,160 tends to be true and so just one other thought that's a good thought and also just as we plan 516 00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:50,400 out the next year and what we're going to cover and you know sometimes we're not in control of 517 00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:56,480 what's coming up for votes um as far as incentives and that's you know a big part of what we do but 518 00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:02,720 um i think that's very fair to say here are two months that are good to try not to stack up and 519 00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:07,200 if they're going to be two that follow off these good months so all that information is helpful 520 00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:15,200 additionally um i would encourage you to email me um and i will disseminate or if you have anything 521 00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:20,720 that you would like to hear more about or discussions that you would like to have um 522 00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:26,720 there's a lot going on a lot out there the reports that we get each time are so very 523 00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:35,840 insightful as far as the standard board and what's going on uh so there's there's there's plenty but 524 00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:42,480 feel free to help us bring something to the top of the list if needed and um i thought these 525 00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:47,440 introductions were going to be done for but we have a couple of new people that are here today 526 00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:53,680 uh filling in for tina out not filling in but uh taking over the spot we do have another 527 00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:59,600 representative from peter bill which is one of our top taxpayers and uh would you mind just 528 00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:05,520 introducing yourself and telling us just a little bit about sure uh my name is todd wells um i'm 529 00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:13,760 director of manufacturing engineering for peter belt motors i've been in in denton since 1999 530 00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:22,480 and i've been an employee of pac heart for going on 24 years now so i've been 531 00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:28,960 um with the same same company for the most part for then extending my career professional career 532 00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:34,480 and just uh looking forward to the opportunity to serve the community here and getting engaged 533 00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:41,040 and definitely the development of the local area so appreciate it real thrilled to have you here 534 00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:45,920 and look forward to hearing your perspective and know that we always want to be whatever one 535 00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:51,120 has to say and then i understand we have a new you introduce yourself to us please 536 00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:56,720 i'm katilda and i'm the new specialist with the economic development team with the city 537 00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:02,960 great we're glad to have you here and look forward to working with you we also have one 538 00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:10,880 yeah yes i'm lacy brother i am what's my name administrative assistant i am kind of the stuff 539 00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:18,160 one of the staff members for y'all um i grew up in sanger i just recently moved back to the area 540 00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:23,280 and i've been here for about a month now and i'm really enjoying it thank you and she's the one 541 00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:32,160 who's been emailing you so you'll get your your calendar invitations from lacy meeting agendas 542 00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:37,200 will come from lacy and any other reminders and communications to the board will also come to lacy 543 00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:43,680 for us great well thank you we certainly appreciate it all right um so i i think the 544 00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:50,000 consensus is we're going to keep the holds for monthly but we're all going to uh be very good 545 00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:56,000 about communicating when we're unable to attend and we're also going to be good about determining 546 00:59:56,000 --> 01:00:00,080 whether or not there's enough meat on the bone as you would say to have a meeting and use everyone's 547 01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:06,400 time wisely is there any direction to what we would consider meat on the bone for staff or 548 01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:11,760 make staff determine that i'm curious well certainly if there's an incentive that's going 549 01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:22,160 to be presented to council or if there are any changes to the funding or direction that is given 550 01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:28,000 the any reports that are going to be given to council we would like to also be a part of 551 01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:37,840 your those um and then uh any speakers you know any outside speakers that are here uh to present 552 01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:44,240 we definitely want to make sure that we've got a forum here for that um and i think the rest of 553 01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:54,560 that is pvd is that helpful yes okay okay great all right um so we are moving to um eat can we take 554 01:00:54,560 --> 01:01:02,160 yes we need to vote okay um so move thank you all those in favor please signify by saying aye 555 01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:06,960 opposed please signify by saying nay and the motion carries 556 01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:16,160 moving to item eedp 22-076 receive a report pull the discussion and appointment reappoint numbers 557 01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:20,800 and an economic development partnership board representative to the downtown economic development 558 01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:26,640 committee in the past this was the economic this was the downtown task force um currently 559 01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:33,120 mr davis is our representative there it's just you know we do have a specific tourist uh raising 560 01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:39,040 money and funding for the downtown area and so you know the downtown area has been a big economic 561 01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:46,240 driver uh and so there's a specific downtown task force to help maintain the communication inside 562 01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:54,160 and advocacy between the city and our citizens uh so i will let you take it from here see if i can 563 01:01:54,160 --> 01:02:11,040 make it a little larger so everyone can read it okay so what we're asking you to do today is to 564 01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:17,680 reappoint some members appoint a new member and also reappoint jesse davis as the chair 565 01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:23,680 from the economic development partnership um reappointed members would be peggie caps 566 01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:31,440 hank dickinson tracy wong reena malone and brock mcnight and hank dickinson has had a change of 567 01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:36,320 employment he now works for the chamber and we'd like for him to hold the chair that represents 568 01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:47,200 the chamber on the board and then we are also asking that we would like to appoint a new member 569 01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:57,600 to fill the term from alex pain alex has left the board and busy with other projects downtown so 570 01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:02,800 that's left a vacancy and we'd like to fill up position with jill herbs if you don't know jill 571 01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:08,320 she's a co-owner of panhandle recording house it's just about a block over they've been in 572 01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:15,280 downtown business and property owner for 25 years and they've expressed some interest in being more 573 01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:21,040 involved in the community they're also um have joined the den masonry association and jill's 574 01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:27,280 actually sat in on a few of the downtown economic development committee meetings just to get a better 575 01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:32,720 feel for the committee and she feels like it'd be a great place for her to to get involved and and 576 01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:39,680 be part of the community so that if you have any questions i'm happy to to go through any of the 577 01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:47,120 the renomination three appointments or provide additional information uh thank you i'd like to 578 01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:53,760 ask councilmember davis's our representative there um if you're familiar with this potential new 579 01:03:53,760 --> 01:04:00,960 appointee and feel she would be a constructive member of the uh group i do i do and the really 580 01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:06,640 cool thing about this group is that um it was it was new to me when uh y'all appointed me to it 581 01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:13,040 and then there's some weird goals where i basically have to be the chair um which is fine i guess um 582 01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:19,280 but getting to know the group it still has that kind of task force feel which is which is neat 583 01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:23,760 and it's a round table kind of different kinds of folks and i think she's gonna be a really addition 584 01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:28,800 good addition to that kind of round table feel um you've got bankers you got guys that sell ice 585 01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:33,360 cream you got all sorts of different people um in the room and it's really a good dynamic so 586 01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:38,080 i think she'll be a good addition thank you and any other comments on the reappointments 587 01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:44,640 i'm very happy with everybody's every service they're um only only changing one person that's 588 01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:50,000 somebody who is pretty clear that they needed to move on and do other things so um nothing it's 589 01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:58,800 a good group all right any questions or discussion yes looking for a representative from unt 590 01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:08,160 we have um we on this board we have um we do have the justice williams university 591 01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:15,200 we have not had anyone from ut and we did for some time which was hank so and then he kind of 592 01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:22,640 switched positions there um we do have that as one of our um potential you know positions to 593 01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:27,280 be filled so that would be up to the economic development partnership board if you would like 594 01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:34,640 to open it up and add another member i believed that we are at max it's nine to thirteen in the 595 01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:44,720 durable um excuse me members so we have six we're right at our max right now at 13 um to add 596 01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:51,200 another membership member or not to appoint jill is addition you know that would be up to you also 597 01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:57,440 make that determination i was in no way promoting that i'm just asking because i didn't know what 598 01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:03,600 there was a if you needed help identifying someone appropriate from unity here at max and are happy 599 01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:11,440 please don't don't hear that i'm pushing that in any way i will mention that there are some 600 01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:16,960 folks on the board obviously that that can tw but there's some folks on the board that have 601 01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:22,160 connections obviously when when hank was a unt employee that was a really straightforward 602 01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:28,080 connection but lots of folks on the board that have unt connections and uh have people's phone 603 01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:33,680 numbers i totally agree i just wanted to make sure we were doing our part so yeah and jill 604 01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:45,200 herps is a unt proud of unt alumni i do know i think hank still is partial to unt well but it 605 01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:50,960 you know again it is one of the areas that is targeted um to consider and i think that in the 606 01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:57,760 future it'd be nice to find a way to have that input uh but it sounds like the group right now 607 01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:05,200 is successful um but i think in the future let's definitely try to find a way and we do have five 608 01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:12,080 members that are they're on their final term so at the end of this this two-year session that would 609 01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:18,480 be a great time to you know look at the diversity on the board all right well at this time is there 610 01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:24,240 a motion to accept uh the proposals for reappointments and the new appointment to the 611 01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:31,920 downtown economic development committee so moved okay all right it's been moved and seconded is 612 01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:38,240 there any further discussion before a vote all right all those in favor please signify by saying 613 01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:44,640 aye aye all those opposed please signify by saying nay and the motion carries unanimously 614 01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:50,640 thank you very much all right thank you appreciate the presentation and all the information all right 615 01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:58,480 well at this point we are to f which are the staff reports um i do want to hear about the airport 616 01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:05,280 consensus updates and then we might uh fill in those last couple of items at our next 617 01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:11,280 meeting as we are running a little late thank you eric is Sullivan on the economic development 618 01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:16,800 program administrator here at the city we received the staff received a request for information on 619 01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:20,960 denton the city of dentons incentives as well as mckinney's incentives so i'm going to briefly go 620 01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:27,520 over the two programs so the city of denton we adopted our incentive program in 2015 621 01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:32,800 this board actually was included in the policies that you approved in may or were approved by 622 01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:40,000 council in may and the basic considerations over the dent policy is expanding the tax base one 623 01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:47,120 then another idea is to the job growth spurring the job growth of the development of course fuel 624 01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:53,280 sales and consumption so those are the the three considerations and then the minimum valuation for 625 01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:58,880 the program is one million in aircraft valuation and that can be combined in order to be eligible 626 01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:05,200 and then your backup you saw there was a short table that basically provides that the base 627 01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:13,040 operator can get up to 25 and then the owner can get up to 25 and then the operator and or operator 628 01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:18,000 because it could be the same entity um can get an additional five percent and that increases based on 629 01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:24,880 valuation from a period of two to ten years so that is the dentons policy and then the city of 630 01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:29,840 mckinney and mckinney's economic development corporation they also have airport related 631 01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:37,120 programs their considerations involve the business personal property valuation of the aircraft itself 632 01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:42,400 they involve jobs the business the real property valuation of improvements so that would be a 633 01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:48,640 hangar or some type of office building or complex that would be at the airport and then finally they 634 01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:53,840 look at sustainability so those are the at the considerations they look at and the things that 635 01:09:53,840 --> 01:10:01,920 are eligible under their program are infrastructure relocation and training i'd be happy to entertain 636 01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:06,640 questions business personal property was the big one on mckinney yeah that was the first one 637 01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:10,720 yeah it was business personal property and then and they have jobs they listed them separately 638 01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:14,320 and then their real personal property and that was the example i gave the hangar or the office 639 01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:22,000 building and then they look at sustainable activities as well all of those emphasis sounds 640 01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:28,880 good it seems that maybe should be included in dentons as well next time it comes it's in our 641 01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:35,360 policy to be approved in or the council approved in may i would make okay well thank you for the 642 01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:42,160 update and anything else before we adjourn we all get back to work or wherever we need to be 643 01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:43,920 any announcements 644 01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:52,880 all right well welcome again uh tod we're thrilled to have you guys with us 645 01:10:52,880 --> 01:11:00,640 and uh look forward to the next time and uh we are adjourned thank you