WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:09.920 Good evening everybody, taking note that we do have a forum present, we're going to open 00:00:09.920 --> 00:00:13.760 the regularly scheduled meeting of the Historic Landmark Commission. 00:00:13.760 --> 00:00:23.000 If we will all rise and say the U.S. Pledge of Allegiance and the Texas Pledge, I'd appreciate 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:24.000 it. 00:00:24.000 --> 00:00:32.160 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for 00:00:32.160 --> 00:00:40.880 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:40.880 --> 00:00:54.400 Honor the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to the Texas, one state, under God, one, and 00:00:54.400 --> 00:00:55.400 indivisible. 00:00:55.400 --> 00:01:08.200 Thank you everyone for showing up, a pretty robust crowd for a Friday night. 00:01:08.200 --> 00:01:21.480 Okay, the first item on our agenda is item A, HLC 22-106, consider approval of the November 00:01:21.480 --> 00:01:22.760 14, 2022 Minutes. 00:01:22.760 --> 00:01:28.960 Is that going to add any corrections or comments? 00:01:28.960 --> 00:01:29.960 So moved. 00:01:29.960 --> 00:01:30.960 Yes ma'am. 00:01:30.960 --> 00:01:31.960 Motion to move. 00:01:31.960 --> 00:01:46.520 Oh, we have a motion to approve, do we have a second? 00:01:46.520 --> 00:01:47.520 Yes. 00:01:47.520 --> 00:01:49.960 Motion and a second, all in favor say aye. 00:01:49.960 --> 00:01:50.960 Aye. 00:01:50.960 --> 00:01:51.960 Aye. 00:01:51.960 --> 00:02:04.840 Do we have a copy for Ms. Monica? 00:02:04.840 --> 00:02:14.720 The next on our agenda is COA 22-0015, hold a public meeting and consider an application 00:02:14.720 --> 00:02:22.240 for a certificate of appropriateness in accordance with section 2.9.2 of the DIN Development 00:02:22.240 --> 00:02:30.000 Code to add a new sanctuary building on the existing St. Maximus Orthodox Church campus 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:41.000 located at 2026 West Oak, within the West Oak Historic District, the site is located 00:02:41.000 --> 00:02:48.960 on the north side of West Oak Street between Bradley and Thomas Street and with that I'll 00:02:48.960 --> 00:02:51.240 turn it over to Cameron. 00:02:51.240 --> 00:02:54.560 Thank you Chair, Commission. 00:02:54.560 --> 00:03:00.040 So as stated it's at 2026 West Oak Street highlighted here in red, it's located on 00:03:00.040 --> 00:03:04.560 that north side of Oak Street between Bradley Street and Thomas Street, the owners are the 00:03:04.560 --> 00:03:09.000 St. Maximus Confessor Orthodox Church and the construction date of the property that's 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:14.240 currently on the site is circa 1910. 00:03:14.240 --> 00:03:20.160 So the request as stated is construction of new sanctuary building on the existing campus, 00:03:20.160 --> 00:03:25.120 the location would be located here in that front yard or that southern half of the property 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:30.360 which is highlighted here in red and the proposed sanctuary is considered the main building 00:03:30.360 --> 00:03:33.080 of this property. 00:03:33.080 --> 00:03:38.860 So this is the current conditions for that property at 2026 West Oak Street. 00:03:38.860 --> 00:03:44.660 So as stated again that proposed sanctuary would be located roughly in this area of the 00:03:44.660 --> 00:03:48.020 property. 00:03:48.020 --> 00:03:54.680 So looking first back at 2019 when the COA originally went through and was approved the 00:03:54.680 --> 00:04:00.480 materials were brick and stucco, we have that existing layout of the new sanctuary building 00:04:00.480 --> 00:04:07.040 here on that lower southwest corner of the property and we have that existing building. 00:04:07.040 --> 00:04:13.200 The property or the proposed sanctuary was supposed to be approximately 55 feet tall 00:04:13.200 --> 00:04:21.360 with that metal cross at the top, the approximately 50 feet with the dome itself and then approximately 00:04:21.360 --> 00:04:24.360 17 foot base. 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:29.720 So this shows both that south elevation which would be facing West Oak Street, eastern elevation 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:35.360 which turns onto the property itself and then that western elevation that faces that western 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:39.660 property line. 00:04:39.660 --> 00:04:43.560 These are the proposed elevations and site plan for 2022. 00:04:43.560 --> 00:04:47.440 It's predominantly the same site plan as we saw in 2019. 00:04:47.440 --> 00:04:53.040 We do see that extension of the sanctuary building as you can see here. 00:04:53.040 --> 00:04:57.880 It's highlighted in that dark black line there. 00:04:57.880 --> 00:05:05.200 It's extended approximately 36 feet in length and that would be utilized for bathrooms and 00:05:05.200 --> 00:05:08.120 other utilities. 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:13.080 So these are the proposed renderings for 2019 and 2022 so they're roughly the same. 00:05:13.080 --> 00:05:18.720 So you are seeing a mixture of brick and stucco and these are some of the examples that the 00:05:18.720 --> 00:05:24.480 applicant did provide to us during staff's analysis. 00:05:24.480 --> 00:05:30.560 So looking at that West Oak Street comparison as stated they look predominantly the same. 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:35.640 There is a little bit of an extension here to complete that roof line extension so it 00:05:35.640 --> 00:05:42.060 matches that eastern side but as stated the view from West Oak would look predominantly 00:05:42.060 --> 00:05:45.060 the same. 00:05:45.060 --> 00:05:49.680 So staff first looked at the standards for rehabilitation and this comes from the Secretary 00:05:49.680 --> 00:05:55.720 of Interior Standards for Historic Properties and staff focused on the first three standards 00:05:55.720 --> 00:06:04.120 of rehabilitation and then these last two which are in regards to new construction. 00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:08.260 In addition staff also looked at our debt and development code specifically section 00:06:08.260 --> 00:06:16.600 4.9.6c which is in regards to the West Oak area historic district and in that area staff 00:06:16.600 --> 00:06:23.600 focused on these areas of architectural requirements so we looked at architectural detail, building 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:29.560 placement, color, facade materials, front entrances and porches, roof forms, windows 00:06:29.560 --> 00:06:33.160 and doors as well as parking. 00:06:33.160 --> 00:06:38.400 So staff is recommending approval of the Search for Properties and request to add a new proposed 00:06:38.400 --> 00:06:44.840 sanctuary building on the existing St. Maximus Orthodox Church campus located at 2026 West 00:06:44.840 --> 00:06:45.840 Oak. 00:06:45.840 --> 00:06:50.400 As the proposed project does meet the Secretary of Interior Standards for Rehabilitation as 00:06:50.400 --> 00:06:55.520 well as section 4.9.6c of the debt and development code. 00:06:55.520 --> 00:06:56.520 Any questions? 00:06:56.520 --> 00:07:04.880 Are they going to have to take out the tree? 00:07:04.880 --> 00:07:09.440 There will have to be some trees removed from the property but they are required to do a 00:07:09.440 --> 00:07:24.680 tree preservation plan as well as a landscape plan in relation to this proposed sanctuary. 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:41.040 If we are ready for a motion I'll make one. 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:44.040 Are there any other questions? 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:48.860 Yes this height would be the same so that's approximately 50 I'm not sure where my label 00:07:48.860 --> 00:07:54.040 went but it was supposed to say approximately 55 and then this is also approximately 55 00:07:54.040 --> 00:07:55.040 from 2019. 00:07:55.040 --> 00:08:02.400 The new extension is the new extension is in the rear so you do see this kind of hashed 00:08:02.400 --> 00:08:07.960 line here in the 2019 plans but it wasn't reviewed by the HLC at that time but then 00:08:07.960 --> 00:08:14.460 you show it in full drawing which is at approximately 36 feet in length. 00:08:14.460 --> 00:08:17.320 Any other questions? 00:08:17.320 --> 00:08:22.600 And by the way when you guys were here before you guys took the time to have us come out 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:29.720 and see the place and we very much appreciated that because it helped us to understand what 00:08:29.720 --> 00:08:35.840 you guys were doing and it's one thing to see it on paper but something else to get 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:42.840 a tour so thank you. 00:08:42.840 --> 00:08:59.440 Excuse me hearing no other questions do we have this motion can continue with the motion 00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:20.640 to continue there's my thing here. 00:09:20.640 --> 00:09:25.640 Can they speak if I want to? 00:09:25.640 --> 00:09:26.640 Yes. 00:09:26.640 --> 00:09:33.760 Sorry about that. 00:09:33.760 --> 00:09:42.840 We go forward by approving a motion as submitted approve the motion subject to conditions deny 00:09:42.840 --> 00:09:47.200 the motion or continue the item do I hear a motion? 00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:54.440 I move approval of item COA 22-0015. 00:09:54.440 --> 00:10:03.440 We have a motion and a second now I'll open the board for discussion. 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:12.680 Wow they're still alive and much well they've been here before and I'm not suggesting there 00:10:12.680 --> 00:10:13.680 needs to be discussions. 00:10:13.680 --> 00:10:17.080 No they're very compliant they've done a lot of work. 00:10:17.080 --> 00:10:22.240 So having done all that stuff let's call the vote all those in favor say aye and raise 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:23.240 your right hand. 00:10:23.240 --> 00:10:24.240 Aye. 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:25.240 Aye. 00:10:25.240 --> 00:10:26.240 Motion passes unanimously. 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:27.240 Thank you. 00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:28.240 You're welcome. 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:50.120 Okay next up on our agenda is COA 22-0017. 00:10:50.120 --> 00:11:00.400 Yes poll public meeting and consider an application fee or a certificate of appropriateness. 00:11:00.400 --> 00:11:04.480 Say what Mary I'm going to turn it over to you. 00:11:04.480 --> 00:11:07.920 That's fine not a problem I'm here for you. 00:11:07.920 --> 00:11:14.400 So it's a certificate of appropriateness according to section 2.9.2 of the Denton Development 00:11:14.400 --> 00:11:20.640 Code to install solar panels on the roof of existing residence located at 22-24 Houston 00:11:20.640 --> 00:11:23.800 Place within the West Oak Area Historic District. 00:11:23.800 --> 00:11:29.680 The site is located on the north side of Houston Place east of Thomas and Cameron is going 00:11:29.680 --> 00:11:32.080 to tell us all about it. 00:11:32.080 --> 00:11:33.800 Thank you Chair. 00:11:33.800 --> 00:11:41.120 So as stated it's at 20-24 Houston Place it is owners are Theodore and Alina Wood and 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:44.920 the construction date is circa 1940. 00:11:44.920 --> 00:11:48.840 So it was just to give you all a little bit of background at the building's history it 00:11:48.840 --> 00:11:51.000 was constructed for Joe Ray. 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:55.680 The architectural style is a colonial revival style some of its defining features is the 00:11:55.680 --> 00:12:00.880 Gabriel roof which actually is interesting enough about 10% of colonial revivals have 00:12:00.880 --> 00:12:07.720 that roof with like paired windows symmetrical front facade of the windows in the central 00:12:07.720 --> 00:12:11.620 door as well as double hung windows. 00:12:11.620 --> 00:12:16.080 So the request is for the installation of 36 solar panels on the roof which are highlighted 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:23.760 here in red these would be located on the first and second stories of the property. 00:12:23.760 --> 00:12:28.320 So this is the current conditions this is looking northwest from Houston Place. 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:35.040 So I stated it'd be located here on that second story roof line as well as the front of this 00:12:35.040 --> 00:12:39.160 southern south facing roof line. 00:12:39.160 --> 00:12:44.680 So looking at the architectural drawings so just to coordinate you all this is looking 00:12:44.680 --> 00:12:49.160 south towards that Houston Place we would have four solar panels in the rear towards 00:12:49.160 --> 00:12:53.880 the backyard we would have also additional 10 solar panels on that second story which 00:12:53.880 --> 00:12:59.520 would be facing the backyard then 10 solar panels on the front facade and then the 12 00:12:59.520 --> 00:13:05.120 solar panels as well on that front first story of that eastern wing. 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:13.040 The solar panel elevation similar to a Paseo A it would be a maximum of 10 inches in height 00:13:13.040 --> 00:13:20.240 from the roof and this would be the proposed system layout. 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:25.400 So these are some of the solar panel detailings you guys have seen this in the past we have 00:13:25.400 --> 00:13:29.720 the solar panels themselves we have the cross rail and the splice butt which connected to 00:13:29.720 --> 00:13:34.200 the roof and then once again just showing you all how the solar panels would be connected 00:13:34.200 --> 00:13:40.880 to that current roof line and then these are just the solar panel details in regards to 00:13:40.880 --> 00:13:44.600 the system itself and how it runs. 00:13:44.600 --> 00:13:50.600 So staffs analysis looked at the standards for rehabilitation specifically looking at 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:59.160 points 9 and 10 which are related to new additions and exterior alterations and then also looking 00:13:59.160 --> 00:14:06.440 at section 4.9.6 c looking specifically at the roof forms of skylights and solar panels 00:14:06.440 --> 00:14:11.160 which the historic landmark commission may allow skylights and solar panels on a building 00:14:11.160 --> 00:14:15.080 if their placement does not have an adverse effect on the architecture of a building or 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:18.180 the district as a whole. 00:14:18.180 --> 00:14:23.600 So staffs recommendation does recommend approval of the COA to install solar panels at the 00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:31.340 2020 2224 Houston Place as the project does meet the Secretary of Interior's standards 00:14:31.340 --> 00:14:38.440 for rehabilitation and 4.9.6 c subject to the following conditions that the 12 proposed 00:14:38.440 --> 00:14:44.720 solar panels proposed for that south side of the one story eastern wing of the residence 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:53.840 would be located to that north side of the roof facing the backyard any questions can 00:14:53.840 --> 00:15:02.160 you bring back up the picture again with that would show it of the structure yes so Cameron 00:15:02.160 --> 00:15:08.120 there it's going to be on the front on that front story correct story yes so the 12 would 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:13.520 be proposed right here not on this section not on this lower section but right here on 00:15:13.520 --> 00:15:17.920 this section and then the 10 would be proposed over here and then the rest of the rear but 00:15:17.920 --> 00:15:26.960 nothing on that front on the front door nothing over the front door no nothing over the front 00:15:26.960 --> 00:15:33.440 door just on this second story and then on the first story on that roof and the sum of 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:41.200 those on where the cars are that you want to move to the other side of that yes so these 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:48.400 right here what uh staff is proposing to uh move them to the rear facing the backyard 00:15:48.400 --> 00:15:53.440 on that north side of the roof line and they've already got four panels on the other side which 00:15:53.440 --> 00:15:59.000 what does the back side look like we do not have a photo of the back since it's not visible 00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:05.440 from the street so they're going to put 24 up even without that side panel if you were 00:16:05.440 --> 00:16:11.440 to exclude the 12 solar panels in general yes it would be 24 panels in total the owner's 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:17.240 been made aware of staff's recommendation uh staff did talk to the property owners last 00:16:17.240 --> 00:16:21.480 week and at that time staff didn't have a full recommendation of where the panels would 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:27.880 be proposed to go but staff had stated that all the panels they planned on keeping all 00:16:27.880 --> 00:16:35.960 the panels i just don't know how adversely this is going to affect them having those 00:16:35.960 --> 00:16:40.920 in a different place i would think on the north side would be better um just from a 00:16:40.920 --> 00:16:48.000 sun standpoint yeah okay that's probably what they want on the southern side so you know 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:53.080 people have put up panels in the neighborhood on the east side i was surprised we've approved 00:16:53.080 --> 00:16:57.640 one on the east side of oak and i thought they were crazy and they did just fine they 00:16:57.640 --> 00:17:01.380 have a lot fewer but uh it faces east and they get sun even though there's trees around 00:17:01.380 --> 00:17:07.720 so i was actually remarkably amazed that they didn't ask for the ones facing you know so 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:12.860 that there was less visibility i was amazed i thought they would be there victorian the 00:17:12.860 --> 00:17:20.360 mustard victorian any um concerns over having them in the front of the house even though 00:17:20.360 --> 00:17:25.160 it's on the second story but it's at the front of the home it's higher i don't i don't 00:17:25.160 --> 00:17:29.800 it's mostly because it's higher and you don't see it as much the angle is such that it's 00:17:29.800 --> 00:17:37.320 like i mean i the roof on this one is what do you know the pictures on these about camera 00:17:37.320 --> 00:17:43.000 i do not know the pictures and you can tell it's much more in your face yeah it's a gamble 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:56.040 um but i was saying i believe the applicant is here so if they do want to answer any additional 00:17:56.040 --> 00:18:05.320 questions that you all may have um i'd love to know who the salesman has been around that 00:18:05.320 --> 00:18:09.880 neighborhood um do you have any strong opinions about whether or not they're on the north 00:18:09.880 --> 00:18:14.360 or south side well i don't i don't know if it'll work on the other side because the way 00:18:14.360 --> 00:18:23.400 the sun goes that um they figured that if they put them on the south side it would not 00:18:23.400 --> 00:18:31.400 have given us sunlight now it's possible that we could put them on the detached garage the 00:18:31.400 --> 00:18:35.960 rest of them because that's way further back from the street yeah but i don't know if they 00:18:35.960 --> 00:18:40.040 want to do that because then they'd have to do some extra wiring and wiring and stuff 00:18:40.040 --> 00:18:45.400 you can probably get a lot i'd have to ask but i don't think that putting them on the south side 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:51.400 would be like the whole thing wouldn't be worth it i hear that worth it thing i you know but 00:18:51.400 --> 00:18:59.400 nobody ever shows me the dollars and cents i kind of like the attached garage idea just because 00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:03.160 it's not as visible from the street you get a lot of panels on there 00:19:06.120 --> 00:19:10.840 so i'm assuming what what the gamble roof was used to be a garage that could be 00:19:10.840 --> 00:19:20.600 our concern is the ones facing the street on the house yes and the reason being is because 00:19:20.600 --> 00:19:29.960 we've said as a group here that i'm facing the street and that very clearly is facing the street 00:19:29.960 --> 00:19:37.480 whether it's the first story or the second story it is um but it wasn't just this last one where 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:43.480 we ran that same issue and and we okayed it was a side street went on the front oh i see 00:19:43.480 --> 00:19:49.080 it takes it faces front and then can you show me overhead picture 00:19:49.080 --> 00:19:58.440 oh the other aerial yes thank you yeah i worry about the trees as well 00:20:00.280 --> 00:20:05.480 and how well they will so that would be the main residence and then that's that eastern wing so 00:20:05.480 --> 00:20:10.200 it does show some of the sunlight in based on that aerial but i don't 00:20:10.200 --> 00:20:16.440 and then there's the rear garage in the back oh that is oh i see okay 00:20:16.440 --> 00:20:27.560 i'm not happy that so much of it shows i mean you know the 00:20:28.280 --> 00:20:34.360 the trick on a solar panel cost has come down and the number of panels one needs is 00:20:34.360 --> 00:20:43.800 to even power any kind of house is pretty pretty minimal in comparison to we're looking at 24 plus 00:20:43.800 --> 00:20:51.800 12 36 yeah 36 so there would be 10 on the main residence with the four in the rear and then 12 00:20:51.800 --> 00:20:56.920 on the one story eastern wing so the ones on the main house are facing the back some of them are 00:20:56.920 --> 00:21:03.080 facing the back so these would be facing the back so these 14 would be facing the back these 00:21:03.080 --> 00:21:09.560 i guess 22 would be facing the front and so if you're gonna put some in the back you can 00:21:09.560 --> 00:21:19.960 put the rest in the back you know well i don't know if they have enough room to put the ones 00:21:21.000 --> 00:21:27.160 they need to put some on the front no matter what to have enough room i think we're are we open to 00:21:27.160 --> 00:21:36.040 this discussion at this point yeah i say okay um we're at the point of questions for the builder 00:21:36.040 --> 00:21:46.040 or the owner or amaran do i have any more of those questions uh do you actually know that it 00:21:46.040 --> 00:21:52.280 wouldn't work if the pounds were on the other side i don't know for sure but i figured that's 00:21:52.280 --> 00:22:01.880 i'll ask i'll ask but don't have to ask me i think they would have suggested putting them back there 00:22:01.880 --> 00:22:08.840 if it would have made sense or maybe they just didn't put them back there because 00:22:08.840 --> 00:22:21.960 they had enough with the current configuration but it seems like um the way the sun goes it 00:22:21.960 --> 00:22:28.280 doesn't hit that part of the roof that well i guess i don't know why they did it the way they 00:22:28.280 --> 00:22:37.160 did it exactly uh probably possibly because they didn't realize the restrictions and they 00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:44.840 definitely did not realize that uh which is a good thing to tell anybody that you're going to have to 00:22:44.840 --> 00:22:51.000 do something for you in this historical history would i mean i think i i think i told them that 00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:59.640 but they didn't understand i don't think they understood what it meant okay uh we can simply 00:23:00.200 --> 00:23:11.480 um if we approve this uh with a number of them going on the back or not on the front 00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:27.880 so are you so i guess in terms of so here's staff's recommendation are you saying 00:23:29.560 --> 00:23:33.880 to not do what's staff's recommendation and have everything moved to the rear or 00:23:33.880 --> 00:23:41.400 so i so i just have no understanding staff's recommendation okay okay so as long as we 00:23:41.400 --> 00:23:50.520 okay so now uh for the discussion to continue we need a motion that motion can be to approve 00:23:50.520 --> 00:23:57.800 as submitted prove subject to condition deny or continue do i have a motion i'd like to motion 00:23:57.800 --> 00:24:04.920 as submitted uh i'd like to get that out first just my lawyer here okay do we have a second 00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:09.560 i'll second it just to get it on the floor okay 00:24:09.560 --> 00:24:17.400 we have a motion to approve it as submitted and second the floor is open 00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:32.840 okay now what i saw is the panels were on the front part of the roof over here correct 00:24:32.840 --> 00:24:39.640 on the one that faces more this way yes so let me pull back this this is the easiest photo for me 00:24:39.640 --> 00:24:46.360 to describe it yes so you would have the 10 solar panels lined up in a row on the second story you 00:24:46.360 --> 00:24:51.560 would have an additional 10 panels lined up on the backside which you can't see from hughes in place 00:24:51.560 --> 00:25:00.520 lined up in a row and then four other on the backside so then the 12 that staff is recommending 00:25:00.520 --> 00:25:08.760 to be pushed to the back this would be six right here six right here okay now my question from the 00:25:08.760 --> 00:25:16.680 the owner discussions so we can't talk to them anymore i can't ask a question of them not in discussion 00:25:16.680 --> 00:25:28.120 so you say what my my issue is this so they're they're wanting to improve the property they're 00:25:28.120 --> 00:25:33.400 wanting to maintain the property which is ultimately our goal is that these these historical properties 00:25:34.040 --> 00:25:40.920 have this people interested in maintaining and updating them on a continuous basis i think this 00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:47.080 achieves that uh how's it maintaining i don't see maintaining i just say i just see getting new solar 00:25:47.080 --> 00:25:51.160 panels i don't see that's a maintenance thing it's not a new roof or anything well it's not a paint 00:25:51.160 --> 00:25:55.960 job it's it's putting something that doesn't fit the character of the neighborhood one it protects 00:25:55.960 --> 00:26:00.600 the roof there's a lot of protective things that go wait till the wind gets it it's gonna rip it up 00:26:02.600 --> 00:26:07.320 okay i don't think that's an overly big issue but uh there's a storm tonight 00:26:07.320 --> 00:26:17.960 but yeah i don't to me is this is if our goal is to encourage people to to invest in these 00:26:17.960 --> 00:26:24.840 in these older homes and to preserve them i don't want to dissuade anyone from doing that by putting 00:26:24.840 --> 00:26:32.360 onerous restrictions on it i want to try to encourage that as much as possible and and to 00:26:32.360 --> 00:26:37.320 completely rework a plan that we don't know if it's even going to be workable as suggested 00:26:37.320 --> 00:26:50.600 um oh i think so well i was thinking that if they uh have panels on the back side of this section 00:26:50.600 --> 00:26:57.240 over here to begin with yes they can put them together then and they must have thought they 00:26:57.240 --> 00:27:02.680 would work otherwise they wouldn't be proposing to put them there correct so these are all the 00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:09.400 backside ones and so i don't see the difference with putting this section right here back there 00:27:09.400 --> 00:27:16.360 so i think they used up all the square footage they could facing south and it was just i think 00:27:16.360 --> 00:27:19.800 it's just a matter of that's where you get the maximum exposure that it's not enough so they 00:27:19.800 --> 00:27:24.120 had to do them on the north side as well well if they showed the calculation i'd be more minimal 00:27:24.120 --> 00:27:28.680 but i don't see a calculation that it's not enough i've seen very few things that need that many 00:27:28.680 --> 00:27:34.040 solar panels if you showed the calculations maybe you could convince me but the waving hands is not 00:27:34.040 --> 00:27:39.640 convincing me there's still a garage in the back with a little wire you can do it i i think staff 00:27:39.640 --> 00:27:47.000 is holding up to the preservation standards well that is what my question would be why can't eight 00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:54.280 of them be on that garage i agree yeah and the rest of the bases are under i agree it's not that 00:27:54.280 --> 00:28:00.120 much of a difference in cost garage you would require a whole bunch of extra wiring i think 00:28:00.120 --> 00:28:07.080 you'd have to have like a an extra inverter or something i don't know i've done wiring in the 00:28:07.080 --> 00:28:13.720 back underground so problems probably a separate solar panel system according to that garage unit 00:28:13.720 --> 00:28:19.080 and then one operating the main house we ran wires all the way from under the ground into our house 00:28:19.080 --> 00:28:23.240 from the back so i i mean you can put a wire underground and i doubt you would need a panel 00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:28.040 but we don't know that and i i will you know without knowing that i don't see that we should 00:28:28.040 --> 00:28:35.720 say maybe yeah i think that we're kind of assuming we have to go with what's presented to us 00:28:35.720 --> 00:28:41.800 they also assume exactly they didn't know about these proposed changes they i mean we're expecting 00:28:41.800 --> 00:28:46.920 them to come in and defend something they didn't know what's about to happen right i wish they had 00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:55.080 known that so that they could ask the question of the installer the proposed seller so about those 00:28:55.080 --> 00:29:02.920 applicant wasn't staff did talk to the applicant last week asking if the solar panels were to be 00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:09.880 moved and that would be possible if it would be adjusting that rate of the in terms of how much 00:29:09.880 --> 00:29:16.600 energy was coming in and then stuff didn't receive any additional documentation okay okay so let me 00:29:16.600 --> 00:29:25.800 ask the commission a question if this motion fails and we went forward with the motion to approve 00:29:25.800 --> 00:29:35.240 as uh such as conditions the staff conditions and ask them to do their dang level best 00:29:35.960 --> 00:29:41.000 to try and get some of them off of that and in the back are you guys comfortable with that 00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:48.040 okay because that way we get out of here not get out of here right 00:29:48.040 --> 00:29:56.520 but they get to they definitely are going to have the sense we don't want them facing the road 00:29:56.520 --> 00:30:03.560 but you can only do what you can do right and it's their house right so i'm thinking that's maybe 00:30:03.560 --> 00:30:10.680 the fair way to go but we have a motion yeah we have a motion now so so we have a motion 00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:21.240 and a second on the floor all those in favor say aye aye all those opposed say no no no that motion 00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:29.720 has now failed now do we have another motion i knew that we approved that we approved with 00:30:29.720 --> 00:30:36.280 conditions that staff had to move the panels to the back okay do we have a second to that motion 00:30:36.280 --> 00:30:41.160 second we have a motion and a second do we have any discussion on that 00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:49.560 i think it's it meets the historical standards i i think that we need to stick as much as possible 00:30:49.560 --> 00:30:53.640 to that everything else is conjecture they've already got some on the back 00:30:59.800 --> 00:31:02.760 it's still at the front of the house they are and that's one thing 00:31:02.760 --> 00:31:07.960 here's one thought it's on a second story or it's on the first story it's still facing the street 00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:12.440 let's see if it's on the second story what difference does that make if it's on the first story 00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:18.440 you've got a good pointer anti 00:31:22.520 --> 00:31:30.040 okay uh camera do you guys need more clarification than just do everything you can do to get some more 00:31:30.040 --> 00:31:36.680 of them off of the garage onto the real garage so the motion the motion on the floor right now 00:31:36.680 --> 00:31:43.240 is to follow the staff's recommendation as submitted in the presentation yeah so that 00:31:43.240 --> 00:31:48.600 we'll have to deal with that motion first and then we can make another motion if you want to 00:31:48.600 --> 00:31:55.480 have an alternative option i thought it was subject to conditions yeah yeah it's a staff's 00:31:55.480 --> 00:32:00.840 condition subject to staffs our discussion is are we completely happy with everything 00:32:00.840 --> 00:32:08.040 for the commission's benefit depending upon how these various motions play out 00:32:08.040 --> 00:32:13.560 if there is additional information that the commission is wanting in order to be able to 00:32:13.560 --> 00:32:19.720 assist in decision making then another available option is to continue the item and also giving 00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:23.960 additional direction to the applicant so just know that that option so yeah but continuing means if 00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:30.840 nothing happens it's approved after how many days 75 no we don't want to do you don't want to continue 00:32:30.840 --> 00:32:37.160 but we could continue yeah you can do a date certain time can we not correct you would have 00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:43.160 to sit for instance our next meeting is january 23rd 2023 you would have to say to a date certain 00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:51.480 of january 23rd 23 to have the updates made okay so that is an option as well 00:32:51.480 --> 00:33:00.600 these solar panels generally i don't have a lot of experience in this area do we are we 00:33:00.600 --> 00:33:07.080 is it a fair presumption that the number of panels that were presented that that's the minimum number 00:33:08.040 --> 00:33:14.840 to make it effective no i mean are we assuming that or is that do we know we just okay all right 00:33:14.840 --> 00:33:22.280 because of course you can sell your power back so it's it's not i don't think it's a valid assumption 00:33:22.280 --> 00:33:32.760 okay any further discussion if we if we approve it and it's not workable what's their solution 00:33:32.760 --> 00:33:40.440 afterwards is it to resubmit a new coa you don't have to wait a year if it's significantly different 00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:49.080 from this plan they can submit a coa prior to it'd be up to the hbs discretion well the year bar 00:33:49.080 --> 00:33:54.520 is only related to a denial correct yes that's i think okay so if it's if we approve it with 00:33:54.520 --> 00:33:57.640 stop conditions and it's for whatever reason i'm working they want to come back and 00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:04.840 retry their original one and have better backing as to why that can't be worked i would like a 00:34:04.840 --> 00:34:11.160 lot of detail that was happening but that could happen it can uh that also be as you know suggested 00:34:11.160 --> 00:34:18.040 a way to continue it as if you wanted to move to continue it and ask for that information no 00:34:18.040 --> 00:34:24.680 what was i saying and further i mean the reason why i suggested that is just listen to some of 00:34:24.680 --> 00:34:29.240 the discussion about you know is it feasible to have the panels on the north side of the 00:34:29.240 --> 00:34:37.560 attached garage you know if that's a feasible option or to understand the feasibility of 00:34:37.560 --> 00:34:42.200 placing any of the panels on the accessory structure in the back and then also maybe 00:34:42.200 --> 00:34:47.640 to have a representative from the solar company that's doing the install help understand some of 00:34:47.640 --> 00:34:51.960 you know be able to address some of the questions that the commission is asking in terms of minimum 00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:58.680 versus maximum numbers why why placed on certain locations of the of the roof i guess there's 00:34:58.680 --> 00:35:03.720 certain exposures or do they get better sun exposure on one side versus the other 00:35:03.720 --> 00:35:09.000 having that representative available but i would like an independent to somebody who's not selling 00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:13.960 this i mean you're you're talking to a salesman then so i they're going to guarantee that it's 00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:17.800 going to be better if you do it their way so i i think that you know can we get somebody from 00:35:18.760 --> 00:35:24.200 that municipal or somebody that has another out an outside expert that will will speak to that 00:35:24.200 --> 00:35:33.320 because i'm asking a salesman to give you a pitch is i would really prefer that we continue it 00:35:33.320 --> 00:35:45.000 under january and try to get some information independently for the for our uh well i mean the 00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:51.560 question cameron because it's going to come up again and again as we try to decide what's a good 00:35:51.560 --> 00:36:00.360 location and what's not and if you do more about you know whether or not this is solar panels 00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:07.880 providing enough electricity that you've got quite a bit to sell back or whether it's generally 00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:17.160 the electricity enough solar panel just to provide what you need a home uh i just think if we knew 00:36:17.160 --> 00:36:24.200 that we could make a better informed decision well i mean but it that that isn't our decision 00:36:24.200 --> 00:36:28.840 to make about whether it's enough or not the informed decision should be does it match the 00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:34.760 the secretary of interior standards for solar panels i mean i'm i'm all about saving money 00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:38.120 but there are other options that were not considered like the back garage 00:36:38.120 --> 00:36:43.400 and the back side and independent of that we're being asked whether putting them on the front is 00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:51.560 the answer no no my question would be putting what's the possibility of putting them on the 00:36:51.560 --> 00:36:58.280 back side would that work just as well from some independent person in terms of giving them the 00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:06.840 necessary solar power to run their house not to sell back but just to run the house but the garage 00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:12.840 is also available to put a lot on there facing the same direction they're asking for a valid 00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:20.680 question would be about the additional expense and but we also need to know this information 00:37:20.680 --> 00:37:26.440 going forward not everybody's going to have a garage in the back that gives them an alternative 00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:32.200 and we're going to continue to see roofs that may be something that you want to put on the matrix 00:37:32.200 --> 00:37:39.400 yes yeah i like the idea for a matrix because i think that it will keep coming up you know what 00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:45.320 is the character of the neighborhood does it meet the secretary of interior standards and i think 00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:51.560 we've got you know staff has looked at it very carefully and i'm going to support the staff 00:37:51.560 --> 00:38:01.800 requirement that's suggestion okay so we've had um fairly in-depth discussion any other comments 00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:10.600 okay then let's vote this one we're going to do this with hands to make sure we get it right 00:38:10.600 --> 00:38:17.880 all those and this motion is to approve subject to the conditions that the staff has asked for 00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:21.880 okay all those in favor raise your right hand 00:38:21.880 --> 00:38:31.720 so we have one two three four five cassandra five in favor those against 00:38:39.640 --> 00:38:49.480 one the motion passes down obviously 00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:55.480 i have seen better health days with your permission i will depart 00:38:55.480 --> 00:39:02.760 we're just glad to see you here oh i'm getting better 00:39:02.760 --> 00:39:06.920 no you look a lot better than you did before the last time i saw you so i'm happy to see that 00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:17.480 so basically 00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:38.200 okay so in my absence i will turn the chair over to miss mary 00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:47.480 happy new year or until we see each other again which hopefully is 00:39:47.480 --> 00:40:01.480 christmas 00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:13.480 yes 00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:21.480 so that's what i was trying to make sure 00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:31.480 we need to be better 00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:41.400 i don't mean you i'm just saying in general you're here yeah we saw ourselves that's a different 00:40:41.400 --> 00:41:10.280 factor okay okay because you're taking from the world so we have to get you a sign 00:41:11.800 --> 00:41:14.280 i have never heard of that one we were talking about you know 00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:29.640 okay and i'll i'll contact you and we'll figure out how to do it because for them it shouldn't be 00:41:29.640 --> 00:41:40.280 more than just we really are we don't know and then up to that point 00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:46.280 all right thank you so much 00:41:46.280 --> 00:42:07.800 we've reassured and i think we don't have a lot left but we do have some important issues are we 00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:19.960 going to the uh item 2d okay um hlc 22-101 provide a recommendation to the historic preservation 00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:27.480 officer requiring an enforcement action of a contributing structure on a property located 00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:38.440 at 928 west hickory street and so lance this is your i got you staying from right you have a lead 00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:40.040 merry christmas so i'll be out there 00:42:40.040 --> 00:42:52.200 are you presenting anything or are you already not presenting anything 00:42:53.240 --> 00:42:58.920 it's just need a motion oh you need a motion yes okay i'm just making sure where we work 00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:10.680 i will move to recommend uh to staff that uh they pursue criminal prosecution with the municipal 00:43:10.680 --> 00:43:22.920 office second okay um do we have any discussion i hope it's limited no discussion shall we have 00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:32.760 a vote all those in favor show hands uh we have five forward one abstention out 00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:38.520 okay the motion passes unanimously all right next up is a 00:43:38.520 --> 00:43:44.520 are we doing a work session 00:43:44.520 --> 00:43:48.040 well this is our normal this is our like every time oh okay i got confused yeah 00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:56.280 all right so hold a discussion uh regarding the historic landmark commission project matrix 00:43:56.280 --> 00:44:06.520 and so you've got a matrix oh i think oh that was quick where did you go 00:44:06.520 --> 00:44:15.400 all right a little bit exactly for those of us that are eyes are tired 00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:27.640 okay so these are some of the items that were discussed last meeting that were brought forward 00:44:27.640 --> 00:44:35.480 into the request section um we have the public outreach enforcement action and give recommendation 00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:40.600 which is on tonight's agenda of historic landmark commission ordinance regarding membership 00:44:40.600 --> 00:44:45.800 qualifications which staff will do a presentation on a later date as well as the quantify the 00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:52.440 economic impact of preserving historic properties in addition to regarding benefits for preserving 00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:57.080 historic properties and how cities are incentivizing owners to designate their properties 00:44:57.080 --> 00:45:02.280 as well as a presentation of preliminary guidelines regarding property features such 00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:06.680 as fencing and windows for use by the public and hlc and this will be presented by the definitions 00:45:06.680 --> 00:45:13.960 ad hoc sometime in early 2023 we do have some additional items for historic landmark 00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:19.480 commission's consideration which you all can vote on tonight or you can add your own that you want 00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:25.800 to put in as a request but these are some of the items that were not discussed last time but they 00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:35.240 were not asked to be removed so they're still on that matrix if i could just offer a suggestion 00:45:35.240 --> 00:45:39.480 given the discussion that occurred on the past item regarding maybe having an independent 00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:45.080 solar panel company come and address the commission that would be an item appropriate to include on 00:45:45.080 --> 00:45:51.720 the matrix i'm not sure i want a i don't want a sales company i understand but we could um we 00:45:51.720 --> 00:45:57.720 staff could contact dme see if they might have a recommended source or we could ask for a couple 00:45:57.720 --> 00:46:02.760 of different installers to come and address the commission and that way you can get a couple of 00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:08.200 different perspectives associated with it but just note that if that's something the commission's 00:46:08.200 --> 00:46:12.040 interested in having this would be an appropriate item to include on the matrix and happy to bring 00:46:12.040 --> 00:46:16.520 that back then if you don't but that's not a motion that's just uh it would just yeah we would 00:46:16.520 --> 00:46:21.720 just need foreign votes to get it on as a request onto the matrix i'd like to definitely add that we 00:46:21.720 --> 00:46:27.640 if staff could try to locate somebody that could help us become more informed on solar panels in 00:46:27.640 --> 00:46:33.400 general i think wearing a suggestion ideally would be somebody uh within the city if there's 00:46:33.400 --> 00:46:38.760 somebody knowledgeable if not then possibly trying to find somebody outside the city sphere of 00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:45.720 influence yes do we have to vote that i think yes we need a minimum of four votes to put it on the 00:46:45.720 --> 00:46:59.960 matrix teach us do we need to put on them if if we're is it possible to add something to the coa 00:46:59.960 --> 00:47:06.920 do we need to put it on here and where i'm going with that is if people are doing solar panels can 00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:12.440 we say will you be selling back energy or will you be is it for you i don't know if we can do that 00:47:12.440 --> 00:47:18.360 if that will help and then do we have to put that on this matrix to be able to discuss that and do 00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:22.520 that i think i'd like what i'd like to have is information not just for you know to come and 00:47:22.520 --> 00:47:28.920 educate us on how many watts of power people typically run per square foot and then how many 00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:35.480 watts you get out of a typical solar panel depending on angles and measurements so that 00:47:35.480 --> 00:47:40.680 you can quantify the number of solar panels that are actually needed i was just saying i think that 00:47:40.680 --> 00:47:46.600 that could be a discussion when that person from dme or someone comes and has a discussion but i 00:47:46.600 --> 00:47:51.560 don't think you all have jurisdiction on terms of energy usage and whether they're selling that back 00:47:51.560 --> 00:47:57.080 you're more focused on the structure itself and how the solar panels are affecting the structure 00:47:57.080 --> 00:48:03.400 on the number of panels i'm thinking right so hopefully yeah are are they doing it for 00:48:03.400 --> 00:48:09.720 to be for income but i don't think we get that i don't know can you ask that question but if we 00:48:09.720 --> 00:48:18.040 know how many panels will provide energy yes for what space then we can figure out whether or not 00:48:18.040 --> 00:48:24.760 if we ask them to delete right it doesn't matter to me if they are or not if they fit our guidelines 00:48:25.160 --> 00:48:29.400 i'm not yeah if they sell it back i don't care as long as they don't they don't bother the look 00:48:29.400 --> 00:48:37.160 right yeah i was gonna say why don't when cameron when we do the um the independent entity coming 00:48:37.160 --> 00:48:41.400 back and addressing the commission whatever that looks like yeah maybe on that same meeting agenda 00:48:41.400 --> 00:48:47.400 then what we can do is add um post a follow-up discussion and include that as part of our matrix 00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:52.760 item and in that way if the commission wants to have any additional discussion following that item 00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:58.360 regarding um its applications for coas on on solar panel we can address it at that time okay 00:48:58.360 --> 00:49:04.920 just since we're not posted for discussion exactly do you have any more homework for cameron 00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:15.400 you didn't take a vacation did you i just think that um the people don't know obviously from the 00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:20.840 discussions we've had a limited discussion with the property owners who are coming in and asking 00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:26.840 it they don't know this information either right and mary's right their only source of information 00:49:26.840 --> 00:49:33.480 is probably a salesperson right and they want to sell more and so that's why we need to be informed 00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:40.200 so that we know whether they're what they're asking for is what they really need in order to 00:49:40.200 --> 00:49:48.280 provide them with solar power or not i could concern marsala that that if we have too much 00:49:48.280 --> 00:49:55.160 information that turns it turns into a problem my lawyer friends that we're denying the right to use 00:49:55.160 --> 00:49:59.400 their property i i thought i thought you said this earlier case and so i'm going to bring it up to you 00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:04.360 yeah i think maybe we've drifted a little bit 00:50:04.360 --> 00:50:17.000 but i i think at the end of the day what we're your commission is is tasked to do is look at 00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:23.400 the impacts to the historic property and to the extent that information can help you determine 00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:27.960 that we're happy to discuss adding it to the cfa process but i think maybe this discussion 00:50:27.960 --> 00:50:32.680 would be better had after we get some more information all right anything else 00:50:32.680 --> 00:50:42.200 yep okay you got one more in work session yep oh yeah okay sorry i forgot about that 00:50:43.480 --> 00:50:48.360 i wish we'll thank you okay our work session is this closed no are we closed 00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:54.520 so i'm sorry do i need to mention my thing oh yes to remove myself from the subcommittee 00:50:54.520 --> 00:51:05.000 yeah i don't know what the process is so you would need to ask to have it voted on to come back onto 00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:10.040 the matrix so that we could add another volunteer or vote someone onto that subcommittee and if you 00:51:10.040 --> 00:51:22.200 don't get four votes you still have to stay okay so then i would request that uh the vote on whether 00:51:22.200 --> 00:51:29.560 um you know i kept for the next matrix whether i may need to be removed it was a pleasure to serve 00:51:29.560 --> 00:51:37.560 oh no you know you can be removed now i'm saying in terms of like we need to add to the matrix 00:51:37.560 --> 00:51:44.920 if we need to vote on having you as an agenda item come back and a replacement getting you 00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:49.080 a replacement so we need to put that as an agenda item so that needs to go on the matrix 00:51:49.080 --> 00:51:59.320 so let's please put on the matrix to ask someone else to it's a wonderful job 00:51:59.320 --> 00:52:04.120 so a replacement appointee to the subcommittee 00:52:07.240 --> 00:52:10.200 so we need four votes 00:52:10.200 --> 00:52:24.760 okay okay now we can go on if there's no more matrix items are we done now can we go to the 00:52:24.760 --> 00:52:33.000 work session yes okay okay part a um we were on part oh yeah b oh that's it we're on the b behind 00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:40.200 this that was so quick b hlc 22-103 to receive a report hold a discussion and give staff directions 00:52:40.200 --> 00:52:45.240 on historic landmark commissions request for local historic landmark designation of eligible 00:52:45.240 --> 00:52:51.880 historic properties i guess cameron's going to talk to us well this is actually the historic 00:52:51.880 --> 00:52:56.600 landmarks commission's opportunity to bring forward any designated properties drive around 00:52:56.600 --> 00:53:03.560 to see anything like they'd like us so this is what was discussed last agenda and this is something 00:53:03.560 --> 00:53:09.480 that's going to be reoccurring item where you all bring forward to the commission a property you 00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:14.760 think that is worthy of designation and if every we get a minimum of four votes then it goes on a 00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:22.360 list that staff keeps up to date and that we kind of start going through and designating properties 00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:26.680 so just a reminder obviously this is the second time we've seen it the first time was more of an 00:53:26.680 --> 00:53:32.200 introduction this is kind of second time but this is something that we'll have on our um agenda 00:53:32.200 --> 00:53:42.520 from here on out yes ma'am i don't know the address so okay saying to me and i apologize 00:53:42.520 --> 00:53:46.920 i haven't had a chance to go by and actually get the address yeah i mean it's only two houses from 00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:51.800 mine you think i would know what it is i just need a map i had somebody cut me off but i didn't 00:53:51.800 --> 00:54:03.160 follow them to see where they live so i don't know so if there's no items that are no properties 00:54:03.160 --> 00:54:11.640 that you all have ready to share we can uh we can very yeah look for uh no we have to vote to 00:54:11.640 --> 00:54:19.080 adjourn we are done we are out of here thank you folks have a very merry christmas a very happy new 00:54:19.080 --> 00:54:26.120 year thank you all for dinner that was amazing thank you thank you and a great dinner thank you