WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:15.200 for Monday, December 12th, 2022 we will call this meeting to order first thing we'll do 00:00:15.200 --> 00:00:21.760 is recognize any presentation from members of the public are there you guys all work 00:00:21.760 --> 00:00:29.380 here all right fantastic we'll move on to the consent agenda and I believe Mr. Ryback 00:00:29.380 --> 00:00:36.440 wanted to pull a few things I need to pull one too and then recuse myself you do that 00:00:36.440 --> 00:00:56.080 for me that's I I it's an agenda miss Russell will pull agenda number I okay hang on I'll 00:00:56.080 --> 00:01:15.440 get to you hang on okay and Mr. Ryback wouldn't pull KLM yes sir there's KL and M okay Mr. 00:01:15.440 --> 00:01:21.520 Cheeker these just for questions or you want individual votes on each one I has to have 00:01:21.520 --> 00:01:30.140 an individual book vote I have to leave the room I have some questions on a and H here 00:01:30.140 --> 00:01:46.440 we go okay I'm gonna try to get this right or what we're going to vote on first for the 00:01:46.440 --> 00:01:55.760 consent agenda and it may take me a moment so it is we will entertain a motion to we 00:01:55.760 --> 00:02:00.320 could we could try to go we could let's run through all the questions see if staff can 00:02:00.320 --> 00:02:03.920 answer them that way you can vote on everything together on consent minus the one you need 00:02:03.920 --> 00:02:13.480 to recuse for okay all right item number a is that you Larry thank you I just have a 00:02:13.480 --> 00:02:30.840 very brief question on item a good morning I'm curious why a five thousand dollar item 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:38.560 needs board approval it seems like this could just be a budgeted study Michael Gagne director 00:02:38.560 --> 00:02:42.400 of environmental services sustainability it's just a process we do here at the city of Denton 00:02:42.400 --> 00:02:46.840 actually since it's over a five-year spend we exceed the $25,000 we just bring it back 00:02:46.840 --> 00:02:50.480 in to make sure y'all are aware of it because this is a one-year agreement with four options 00:02:50.480 --> 00:02:56.120 to renew so the overall five-year spend would be 25 over 25,000 okay I didn't see that in 00:02:56.120 --> 00:03:00.360 the agenda I was like why is the first thing this tiny tiny little study that we probably 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:04.440 do every year yes thank you we've been doing since 19 well working off and on with them 00:03:04.440 --> 00:03:11.440 since 98 been in 2018 since we've been having to fund it thank you all right good question 00:03:11.440 --> 00:03:19.520 though why do they need to bring five grand to us all right item number E there's a question 00:03:19.520 --> 00:03:27.760 that's you Larry yeah I just have a little information from all notification maybe some 00:03:27.760 --> 00:03:33.360 other people here Brian I'm just curious once this gas is stored that we're extracting here 00:03:33.360 --> 00:03:43.480 where's it once it's collected where's it stored and how's it distributed afterwards 00:03:43.480 --> 00:03:49.280 into who's this is a different contract than that what this this contract does with with 00:03:49.280 --> 00:03:56.080 Weaver under under item E excuse me Brian burner solid waste director is that they they 00:03:56.080 --> 00:04:01.080 manage the system make sure it's it's tight but this gas goes for ultimate destruction 00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:06.640 we're still in negotiations with a company that will concentrate this gas and actually 00:04:06.640 --> 00:04:10.360 put it in a pipeline hopefully here after the first of the year we'll be bringing that 00:04:10.360 --> 00:04:16.720 forward but currently this is for a to maintain the existing system make sure it's compliant 00:04:16.720 --> 00:04:24.760 with our permit okay okay thank you sir thank you thanks Brian you okay Larry yes okay let's 00:04:24.760 --> 00:04:38.680 go on to item number H you're rejecting bids 00:04:38.680 --> 00:04:52.480 Terry good morning Terry Nolte assistant general manager DME good morning Terry just a so this 00:04:52.480 --> 00:05:00.520 agenda item is is pretty light on content yeah is there any information so I have two questions 00:05:00.520 --> 00:05:06.760 one is there any information on the range of bids price of bids that we received that 00:05:06.760 --> 00:05:12.080 can be made public not that we can make public at this time so we went out for an RFP for 00:05:12.080 --> 00:05:20.440 these for basically 250 megawatts of additional renewables we received very few responses 00:05:20.440 --> 00:05:25.800 and the reason for that is because of the uncertainty around the investment the IRA 00:05:25.800 --> 00:05:35.560 the federal legislation and the its impact on on the tax credits so we're gonna reissue 00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:43.880 what we we by policy we have to reject these bids in order to issue new bids new new request 00:05:43.880 --> 00:05:49.800 for proposal so that that's all we're doing here and are you I guess waiting up a few 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:54.600 months for the IR like the IRS to know we all the standards we think that the industries 00:05:54.600 --> 00:05:59.280 figured out what the impact is now and so the timing is such that by the you know we 00:05:59.280 --> 00:06:07.440 give bidders 90 days or so to put their proposals together because these are long-term transactions 00:06:07.440 --> 00:06:12.960 and that will give them enough time to to know exactly what the financial impact is 00:06:12.960 --> 00:06:20.360 and then my my other question I guess was so this is a one-time proposal this is it 00:06:20.360 --> 00:06:27.340 like an annual thing just kind of no these we we periodically go out but for for these 00:06:27.340 --> 00:06:33.200 requests for proposals but only when we we see that in the future all we have a need 00:06:33.200 --> 00:06:39.440 for additional renewables to keep keep the total for the year at 100 percent or greater 00:06:39.440 --> 00:06:45.340 thank you Terry before you go yeah I just wanted to comment that based on the information 00:06:45.340 --> 00:06:49.320 sheet the uncertainty of the market that I thought this was a wise move so I just wanted 00:06:49.320 --> 00:06:58.560 to throw in my two cents thank you just this the delight that this redo is going to cause 00:06:58.560 --> 00:07:05.400 this isn't gonna negatively impact no no okay everything as we look at our positions for 00:07:05.400 --> 00:07:11.440 this fiscal or for this calendar year that's about to end we should be well above or at 00:07:11.440 --> 00:07:18.080 100 percent or better and we have a contract that's expiring at the end of 2020 beginning 00:07:18.080 --> 00:07:25.060 of 2024 so that's what we're trying to replace is that 2024 and then we've had a significant 00:07:25.060 --> 00:07:30.600 amount of load growth as evidenced by the new peaks that we set this past summer okay 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:50.560 thank you okay I'm gonna skip I for obvious reasons go on to K we need transformers is 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:56.960 that what you're trying to say here yes sir can you find them first of all Randy key electric 00:07:56.960 --> 00:08:05.600 engineering supervisor for do it is very hard to find them been in the papers it's been 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:12.760 in the paper yes sir it was your pool there Lee yes sir it was that was my question is 00:08:12.760 --> 00:08:19.400 why we were making the expenditure on rebuilt utility transformers and I was curious about 00:08:19.400 --> 00:08:29.800 their availability and how you managed to find them cold calls Wow we have two thousand 00:08:29.800 --> 00:08:37.720 transformers on order and some of them been on order for over 80 weeks did you say eight 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:46.920 zero week eight zero 80 yes that's a year and a half roughly yes sir and the Solomon 00:08:46.920 --> 00:08:54.280 purchase that we just did they're quoted at 16 weeks so that's why we made the purchase 00:08:54.280 --> 00:08:58.760 okay well I was curious about it I didn't see anything in the information sheet that 00:08:58.760 --> 00:09:03.400 made me warm and fuzzy so I thank you for filming us then yes I have no further questions 00:09:03.400 --> 00:09:15.400 yes sir the mayor referred to I was talking about this and seeing if we could use some 00:09:15.400 --> 00:09:21.080 federal funding I can't think of the name of the program that was out there how viable 00:09:21.080 --> 00:09:29.400 is that for us to be able to get and is that just a move to to help the whole situation 00:09:29.400 --> 00:09:33.560 throughout the country was this something specifically that's just a move to help throughout 00:09:33.560 --> 00:09:45.040 the whole okay okay so it was kind of a photo op top thing okay thank you you got some just 00:09:45.040 --> 00:09:59.440 okay sir okay I think we'll move on the next item might be yours too right yes item number 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:12.120 L morning Tiffany Thompson director customer service and animal services good morning thank 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:21.120 you for being here appreciate it I was just curious about this particular management consulting 00:10:21.120 --> 00:10:26.520 contract I was under the impression and please correct me if I'm wrong that we sort of already 00:10:26.520 --> 00:10:33.800 had this in place so I was wondering is this something to upgrade improve modernize change 00:10:33.800 --> 00:10:37.520 because you give us a little thumbnail sketch yeah absolutely so we're implementing a three 00:10:37.520 --> 00:10:43.800 one one CRM program right now a UPM which is this contract extension and expenditure 00:10:43.800 --> 00:10:50.520 increase is really the project manager between the city and variants for the CRM and because 00:10:50.520 --> 00:10:57.480 of our time being the the customer relation module man because the timeline has extended 00:10:57.480 --> 00:11:01.960 we needed to do an upgrade for upgrade for integrations for North Star and because of 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:07.400 that we're going to be getting on their calendar in January it's going to extend out that project 00:11:07.400 --> 00:11:13.480 to November of 2023 so we need to have those funds available to continue that project management 00:11:13.480 --> 00:11:19.720 so that's what this increase is so it's going live November of 2023 both both of these okay 00:11:19.720 --> 00:11:25.280 so since we're extending the contract is what are the reasons for that it's strictly based 00:11:25.280 --> 00:11:30.640 off the timeline we had to we had to get on North Star our CIS time frame for them to 00:11:30.640 --> 00:11:35.080 do the integrations with the CRM and because we're doing that that wasn't in their original 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:39.680 scope of the contract and so we need their services to continue that to make sure that 00:11:39.680 --> 00:11:52.280 we meet that timeline okay thank you very much sir okay move on to item number L I believe 00:11:52.280 --> 00:11:58.360 that was L sir well that was L I'm sorry yeah okay I'm gonna check it off there M is in 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:10.400 Mary for ReadyMix what's that all if you want to go you got a question go ahead I guess 00:12:10.400 --> 00:12:20.240 I also asked for that one hello Casey Bowles water and wastewater field operations okay 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:27.400 I'll go first Clayton what are we talking about when we say spoil material that must 00:12:27.400 --> 00:12:33.480 be supposed at an appropriate facility is this something sim separate from the landfill 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:42.280 the city landfill it is so this is when we take broken up asphalt concrete soil anything 00:12:42.280 --> 00:12:47.040 used in making water sewer repairs also DM uses this contract Street uses the contract 00:12:47.040 --> 00:12:51.040 so that kind of stuff that the landfill is not currently accepting where does it go what's 00:12:51.040 --> 00:12:58.040 the facility it goes to it goes to it's called last chance ReadyMix it's in Denton yes okay 00:12:58.040 --> 00:13:03.360 okay then the other half they've been they've been digging holes and selling the sand for 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:07.920 years right and so now they've created a pocket that you need to fill back in or want to make 00:13:07.920 --> 00:13:14.520 that real estate or that that land that more valuable that's my opinion of course okay 00:13:14.520 --> 00:13:21.400 whereabouts is it is on the city limits or it's out off of 428 off Marshawn if you're 00:13:21.400 --> 00:13:25.000 familiar okay yeah okay it's out there and the other part of my question is how does 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:41.920 reducing operating costs help avoid restrictions related to using our landfill location and 00:13:41.920 --> 00:13:47.320 good morning Brian Burness always director you know the landfill is a is a finite resource 00:13:47.320 --> 00:13:51.880 and we are extremely fortunate that we recently had an expansion which gives us you know many 00:13:51.880 --> 00:13:58.800 decades of useful space if we go ahead and put just waste spoil in their waste concrete 00:13:58.800 --> 00:14:04.000 it fills it up much faster it's also very expensive work for us to manage as a waste 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:10.680 product and if we try to recycle it it's even more costly so using the third-party open 00:14:10.680 --> 00:14:19.120 market we we we are able to beneficially reuse that or we we as the city not we as the landfill 00:14:19.120 --> 00:14:23.800 as solid waste department we as a city are able to to beneficially reuse that also it's 00:14:23.800 --> 00:14:29.520 it's a allowable under the current rule as inert spoil that can that can be used for 00:14:29.520 --> 00:14:34.120 fill so again it's a it's a it's the right and most appropriate use for this material 00:14:34.120 --> 00:14:37.480 other than putting it in the landfill okay so by not using it to get rid of all this 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:43.120 concrete and everything gives us that landfill land to use for it gives us extra focus so 00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:48.000 yeah then you know concretes non-compactable it doesn't degrade it just sets there and 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:51.800 really that that's where we lose money on it okay and then the last part here is what 00:14:51.800 --> 00:14:57.320 kind of soil and vegetation get mixed in with the spoils material like flexible base hot 00:14:57.320 --> 00:15:05.880 mix has the other items seems like soils and vegetation is I don't see how they got mixed 00:15:05.880 --> 00:15:10.680 in with that is that just where they probably dug up the concrete is that all we're talking 00:15:10.680 --> 00:15:15.840 about yes so you so you're talking about and I don't know exactly what we're saying 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:19.320 we're saying vegetation but what we're seeing is as we're removing asphalt if we're moving 00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:26.680 concrete curve and and the soil around the pipes hauling that out it gets separated there 00:15:26.680 --> 00:15:34.840 thank you well I have a question is by sending this to a third party having them basically 00:15:34.840 --> 00:15:41.960 dispose of it elsewhere it does save space in the part I understood but I'm curious are 00:15:41.960 --> 00:15:47.480 we as the city setting ourselves up for some other problem with the materials that they 00:15:47.480 --> 00:15:55.080 are moving and disposing elsewhere potentially down the road from a solid race rule standpoint 00:15:55.080 --> 00:16:00.120 no it is considered inert feel because it gets it again it's concrete it's soil it's 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:05.400 basically you know it doesn't it doesn't decay so by putting it in appropriately at the field 00:16:05.400 --> 00:16:12.160 site compacting it appropriately as Mr. Cheek said it allows that soil or that area to be 00:16:12.160 --> 00:16:15.680 recovered and then we can build on it you know under subject what's called sub chapter 00:16:15.680 --> 00:16:21.640 T rules so you build you know build on it pursuant to an area that's been filled okay 00:16:21.640 --> 00:16:26.280 so basically it's a normal practice it's not something where we're setting ourselves up 00:16:26.280 --> 00:16:30.480 correct no this is not a unique program to the city of Denton this is done in every single 00:16:30.480 --> 00:16:35.520 community across our great nation well that was my concern thank you very much who will 00:16:35.520 --> 00:16:45.880 Brian who will who will take care of the steel in the concrete us or them the troop here 00:16:45.880 --> 00:16:50.720 yeah so so they do that so they separate it out they separate the concrete as they take 00:16:50.720 --> 00:16:56.000 responsibility for that steel that's in the concrete okay yes sir that's the main concern 00:16:56.000 --> 00:16:59.320 when you're burying concrete is the steel it's in it you got to cut it off and get it 00:16:59.320 --> 00:17:06.920 down and that's right have you ever recycled concrete yes ma'am so this is part of what 00:17:06.920 --> 00:17:10.600 they do they do recycle the concrete they separate it they crush it and they do resell 00:17:10.600 --> 00:17:23.040 it and reuse it by a lot of it you drive on it every day okay okay I think we're good 00:17:23.040 --> 00:17:32.320 for Emma isn't Mary move on to item number in is a Nancy I had I have some general questions 00:17:32.320 --> 00:17:42.120 on in and oh what is your process for establishing a sales price Deanna Cody deputy director 00:17:42.120 --> 00:17:49.340 of development services real estate we order appraisals for prior to purchasing any property 00:17:49.340 --> 00:17:54.400 and then we negotiate as well okay but we must have appraisals for all property that 00:17:54.400 --> 00:18:00.040 we purchase who do you typically use for your appraisals we have a list of approved appraisers 00:18:00.040 --> 00:18:08.440 that are on that have been gone through the RFP process or RFQ I always tend to RFQ so 00:18:08.440 --> 00:18:15.360 we have a list of appraisers that we rotate through okay do you go denton first it just 00:18:15.360 --> 00:18:22.180 depends on where they are in the list so we just go from appraiser to appraiser on the 00:18:22.180 --> 00:18:28.520 list whoever's available because we consider that they all have the same skill set so it's 00:18:28.520 --> 00:18:34.760 just whoever's next on the list we hope that you will continue to say didn't the first 00:18:34.760 --> 00:18:38.540 there are neighbors and they pay taxes as long as we have dentin appraisers that reply 00:18:38.540 --> 00:18:47.080 to the RFQ absolutely in your transactions are the does everyone play their respective 00:18:47.080 --> 00:18:53.880 closing cost or is that a negotiated item it can be a negotiated item the city usually 00:18:53.880 --> 00:18:59.160 pays the closing costs with the exception of like if they have their own attorney or 00:18:59.160 --> 00:19:06.920 broker fees that comes out of their the sellers proceeds so each pays their respective closing 00:19:06.920 --> 00:19:16.360 fees okay that's a oh yes how much land is necessary I know sometimes you have to buy 00:19:16.360 --> 00:19:23.800 more than that's because that's the track but how do you how do you handle that well 00:19:23.800 --> 00:19:31.160 there are two ways one there is the the basic amount the minimum amount of property that's 00:19:31.160 --> 00:19:39.260 needed to to conduct whatever the the needs are that the city has and so that's what we 00:19:39.260 --> 00:19:46.840 will pursue in the event we're unable to negotiate a successful purchase otherwise in this particular 00:19:46.840 --> 00:19:52.080 case you'll notice that there were two items on the agenda one is for approximately four 00:19:52.080 --> 00:19:57.200 hundred acres the majority of that is floodplain so if we were to purchase just the upland 00:19:57.200 --> 00:20:05.360 we would leave the property owner with all floodplain and so that was a negotiated transaction 00:20:05.360 --> 00:20:12.240 and so the and the second item is just for what the city needs which is the 50 acres 00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:20.880 okay oh I'm sorry I have three items on the agenda I was assuming you were referring to 00:20:20.880 --> 00:20:31.520 the birch yes yes yes not sure it's this time the 400 acres of birch land yes it's all 00:20:31.520 --> 00:20:40.360 floodplain pretty much most of it is floodplain right okay and and lastly on item p that seems 00:20:40.360 --> 00:20:49.280 like that that seems like I guess I'm wondering why is that on there because isn't that the 00:20:49.280 --> 00:20:56.320 natural flow of things is that we try to negotiate and if we're unable to then we carry it toward 00:20:56.320 --> 00:21:01.960 eminent domain so why is that on there it's here because we have two separate ordinances 00:21:01.960 --> 00:21:07.720 and the the direction was if there are two ordinances you need both items otherwise it 00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:12.560 would have just been one item and I would have shared all of it we're we're going for 00:21:12.560 --> 00:21:16.760 the whole 400 acres and if we're unable to negotiate that when we would just proceed 00:21:16.760 --> 00:21:21.680 with the 50 acres but because there are two separate ordinances that are going to council 00:21:21.680 --> 00:21:28.200 and we'll be requesting recommendations for both that they needed to be two separate items 00:21:28.200 --> 00:21:33.120 all right thank you very much you're welcome I have I have a question briefly although 00:21:33.120 --> 00:21:39.760 I didn't ask to pull it the 50,415 acres of land is that the total amount of land required 00:21:39.760 --> 00:21:48.920 for the plant wastewater treatment facility oh yeah no it's just 50 acres 50.50 point 00:21:48.920 --> 00:21:58.600 50.415 my apologies that was the 50 acres you referred to yes sir never mind thank you 00:21:58.600 --> 00:22:08.480 okay so does that mean we covered item number P is in Paul okay there are no more questions 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:19.380 than that I'm gonna check that off to go to oh no I was talking about in and oh MP all 00:22:19.380 --> 00:22:25.600 of them together okay well those is yeah a little different owner but if you're fine 00:22:25.600 --> 00:22:33.560 with that anybody else on those items okay well I'll check those off too and I am going 00:22:33.560 --> 00:22:45.480 to entertain a motion for all consent agenda items except for item I as an Isaac motion 00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:55.520 a second got that all those in favor please say aye aye and I'm gonna leave the room 00:22:55.520 --> 00:23:17.600 so y'all discussed item number Madam Chair I would like to move we accept consent agenda 00:23:17.600 --> 00:23:41.040 item by second any discussion all in favor say aye aye opposed same sign thank you we 00:23:41.040 --> 00:23:52.560 will now move on to items for an individual consideration consider the minute the approval 00:23:52.560 --> 00:24:05.200 of the November 14th 2022 minutes motion second second all those in favor please say aye item 00:24:05.200 --> 00:24:11.560 number be considered individual consideration consider recommending adoption of an ordinance 00:24:11.560 --> 00:24:17.320 of the city of Denton to this home roll municipal corporation authorizing the city manager to 00:24:17.320 --> 00:24:23.960 utilize a contract through the lower Colorado River Authority contract number 5539 for the 00:24:23.960 --> 00:24:31.520 purchase of 138 KV and 345 KV high voltage circuit breakers for didn't municipal electric 00:24:31.520 --> 00:24:38.120 provider expenditure funds therefore and providing effective date file 7995 awarded to Siemens 00:24:38.120 --> 00:24:43.400 Energy Incorporated for three years with the option of two additional one-year extensions 00:24:43.400 --> 00:24:49.080 and the total five-year not to exceed amount of two million five hundred ten thousand one 00:24:49.080 --> 00:24:55.200 hundred thirty dollars good morning Christine do I need to read those all the way through 00:24:55.200 --> 00:25:07.600 it's always safe yes okay good morning Mark Zimmer DME engineering as said we're here 00:25:07.600 --> 00:25:11.920 for consideration of a contract with Siemens Energy for the purchase of high voltage circuit 00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:17.080 breakers for our substation projects DME uses high voltage circuit breakers and all of our 00:25:17.080 --> 00:25:22.920 electric substations high voltage circuit breakers are used to interrupt the flow of 00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:27.480 fault current during those situations and limit damage to our equipment that could be 00:25:27.480 --> 00:25:35.560 caused by lightning strikes or falling trees on power lines or many other causes high voltage 00:25:35.560 --> 00:25:40.680 circuit breakers used in our substations are similar in functions to the ones installed 00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:48.400 in your house they're just much larger in in many ways DME has several projects in our 00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:52.720 approved capital budget that require the purchase of circuit breakers a few of them are listed 00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:58.000 here on this slide one of them as you can see is a future underwood substation that's 00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:05.740 in the hunter coal ranch area DME proposes to utilize an existing cooperative contract 00:26:05.740 --> 00:26:10.360 between lower Colorado River Authority and Siemens for the purchase of these circuit 00:26:10.360 --> 00:26:14.840 breakers for our future projects a contract was competitively bid and meets all the state 00:26:14.840 --> 00:26:20.320 of Texas procurement laws so staff recommends approval and of an agreement with Siemens 00:26:20.320 --> 00:26:25.480 Energy they're in an interlocal cooperative purchase program participation agreement with 00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:29.080 lower Colorado River Authority for the purchase of high voltage circuit breakers and then 00:26:29.080 --> 00:26:37.480 not to exceed amount of 2.5 million questions yes I have a question you only mentioned the 00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:45.640 138 KW there's also 345 KW could you explain the difference and why sure yes this contract 00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:52.040 alone will include both of those but we have a few stations that are energized at different 00:26:52.040 --> 00:26:57.720 voltage levels most of them in our system are 138 KV so the contract is mostly for those 00:26:57.720 --> 00:27:02.800 circuit breakers but we can also purchase the 345 KV circuit breakers at our Denton 00:27:02.800 --> 00:27:07.680 West substation it's actually owned by TMPA and not DME but if we happen to have a project 00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:12.920 there then then we can purchase some this contract will also be in place for emergency 00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:17.240 material so we'll purchase some circuit breakers ahead of time so we have them available in 00:27:17.240 --> 00:27:21.360 case of emergency what are the current lead times on these products for Siemens about 00:27:21.360 --> 00:27:31.240 a year 50 plus weeks thank you on the back of that is this so it's related to the supply 00:27:31.240 --> 00:27:35.440 chain situation we're running to with other things so that's great we're not desperate 00:27:35.440 --> 00:27:40.640 right now so the 50 weeks that's right as you see we'd be in good shape if we got a 00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:49.000 minute we would be okay okay we're fortunate to have a public utility in the city of Denver 00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:59.360 okay the is most are are the purchases already completely planned and budgeted you've got 00:27:59.360 --> 00:28:05.960 certain upgrades and certain amount on kind of in stock or is it or is some of this unknown 00:28:05.960 --> 00:28:10.480 and you may may or may not need to purchase yeah everything in including this contract 00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:26.280 is is approved CIP projects thank you yes sir all right entertain a motion I think now 00:28:26.280 --> 00:28:34.140 so moved motion second second favor please say aye aye any opposed sound the same sound 00:28:34.140 --> 00:28:48.100 the same passes unanimously we're on to item number C I'm gonna read this okay consider 00:28:48.100 --> 00:28:51.720 recommending an adoption of an ordinance of the city of didn't somebody's gonna get me 00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:58.120 a bottle of water see you didn't make Texas Home Rule municipal corporation authorizing 00:28:58.120 --> 00:29:03.680 the city manager to execute a contract with Mountain Cascade of Texas LLC for the construction 00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:09.560 of the northwest water transmission main project the water utilities and capital projects engineering 00:29:09.560 --> 00:29:15.240 departments providing for the expenditure of funds therefore and providing an effective 00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:24.720 date RFQ seven nine six eight dash zero zero two or two Mountain Cascade of Texas LLC in 00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:31.040 the not to exceed amount of fifteen million six hundred and fourteen thousand two hundred 00:29:31.040 --> 00:29:38.360 and ninety one dollars and seventy cents and it wasn't originally awarded to Mountain Cascade 00:29:38.360 --> 00:29:42.920 Mountain Cascade took over for it for the bonding because the company that was building 00:29:42.920 --> 00:29:48.200 the road went bankrupt that was a separate project it's a separate project so you like 00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:57.440 them that much huh yeah good morning everybody has whose bet is construction project manager 00:29:57.440 --> 00:30:04.760 for capital projects the the item that we have before you is the contract recommendation 00:30:04.760 --> 00:30:10.360 for Mountain Cascade of Texas LLC for the construction of the northwest water transmission 00:30:10.360 --> 00:30:18.560 main improvement project the project will install water lines from an existing elevated 00:30:18.560 --> 00:30:27.000 water tank on the southeast of the project all the way to the north west side where another 00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:36.360 existing elevated tank is at and the route is US 77 we cross across it or underneath 00:30:36.360 --> 00:30:45.640 of it we travel some along you loop 288 and then we finally make cross underneath the 00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:55.940 I-35 and to the elevated tank the project scope will install 80 inch water everything 00:30:55.940 --> 00:31:00.720 from eight inch water line all the way to 36 inch diameter water lines the majority 00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:09.120 being the 36 inch lines nearly two miles of that various the various casing sizes will 00:31:09.120 --> 00:31:15.640 be used for the boring locations where we cross underneath the the highways and of course 00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:24.600 we will the project will also install a cathodic protection system for the for the water mains 00:31:24.600 --> 00:31:34.720 we issued a solicitation for invitation for bids there was a list of pre-qualified utility 00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:42.440 relocation contractors that were that were sought after three bids were turned in and 00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:50.120 out of those three bids the lowest bid was Mountain Cascade of Texas LLC Mountain Cascade 00:31:50.120 --> 00:32:03.160 came in at fourteen point eight million dollars with the awarding of this ordinance the city 00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:11.360 will issue a notice a partial notice to proceed so the contractor can start ordering his material 00:32:11.360 --> 00:32:20.720 that has a lot of lead time for the project to start in an appropriate time frame we hope 00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:30.240 that the contractor will complete the construction in June 2024 the construction estimate including 00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:36.240 the five percent contingency contingency will take the project to fifteen point six million 00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:43.720 dollars and those the funding sources for that cost estimate will come from water impact 00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:54.640 fees and the project water project funds CO's the staff recommend recommends the adoption 00:32:54.640 --> 00:32:59.840 of the ordinance authorizing the approval of the contract between the city of Denton 00:32:59.840 --> 00:33:04.780 and Mountain Cascade of Texas LLC for the construction of the Northwest Water Transmission 00:33:04.780 --> 00:33:10.520 main project the contract is not to exceed fifty million dollars six hundred and fourteen 00:33:10.520 --> 00:33:17.640 thousand two hundred ninety one dollars and seventy cents I'll open it to any questions 00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:23.120 that you might have Lee got one I have one question Mountain Cascade of they work with 00:33:23.120 --> 00:33:29.920 the city before and what are the results been it is my understanding that they have and 00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:37.820 are working with the city and on the results that they've had I will leave it up to Kyle 00:33:37.820 --> 00:33:42.120 I'm just curious if we've had good experience with them in the past yes they are the low 00:33:42.120 --> 00:33:48.720 bid which is always helpful but well I'm fairly new to the city so Kyle will have the historical 00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:54.200 information Lee that company took over for the bankrupt that's the discussion I was having 00:33:54.200 --> 00:34:00.600 Christine sidebar which was they took over the construction the utility construction 00:34:00.600 --> 00:34:06.320 only Bonnie Bray when the other company would bankrupt so they came in and worked for the 00:34:06.320 --> 00:34:12.480 bonding company correct they took over yes so it was North South Water phase three after 00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:18.200 that project defaulted Mountain Cascade took it over we had good results with them there 00:34:18.200 --> 00:34:25.040 and then they also delivered Hickory Creek interceptor the sewer interceptor the phase 00:34:25.040 --> 00:34:31.720 two and had good results with them there as well well thank you I always worry about this 00:34:31.720 --> 00:34:38.800 because this is kind of demanding work and you know when a contractor is low and substantially 00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:43.000 low to the height you know to the high from the range I was I'll always look at that 00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:48.200 I guess makes me nervous we've already had good results and I just was curious so thank 00:34:48.200 --> 00:34:52.400 you I did want to say one thing if this one actually was we did that pre-qualified and 00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:57.920 then the IFB portion so capital projects has really focused on doing that pre-qualified 00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:02.960 so we're not just going with low bid contracting so was this a best value bidder was it just 00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:06.860 they issued they did the pre-qualified and then issued for the bidding it was it was 00:35:06.860 --> 00:35:11.120 a once it was pre-qualified then it was just a little better at that point correct right 00:35:11.120 --> 00:35:15.400 so it was because this has a tech stock portion this falls under the pre-qualified list we 00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:23.600 put together for the tech stock utility relocations along I-35 so with that RFQ we graded the 00:35:23.600 --> 00:35:32.960 submissions to to limit that list to three bidders all larger utility relocation you 00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:38.840 know companies with focus on utility relocation so we graded their qualifications prior to 00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:46.520 this and then due to text that regulations that has to be IFB after that on that pre-qualified 00:35:46.520 --> 00:35:56.880 list well that's next one thank you seems there's no more questions for you guys thank 00:35:56.880 --> 00:36:08.320 you very much for your time entertain a motion second motion the second all those in favor 00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:15.320 please say aye aye any opposed sign the same we're going to be using dog management reports 00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:20.940 I read that whole sentence thank you that was great management we have a good morning 00:36:20.940 --> 00:36:26.200 we have a couple different items for the board's consideration this morning and and respective 00:36:26.200 --> 00:36:30.200 staff here to answer any questions through the management report section the first item 00:36:30.200 --> 00:36:38.880 is the electric the Den energy center August 2022 dashboard we have Cassie Ogden here chief 00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:46.340 financial officer if there are any questions about that report questions we can move on 00:36:46.340 --> 00:36:52.400 okay seeing now we'll move to item two which is the water utility annual payments we have 00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:57.720 moved these to a delegated authority where there's any payments that we are making to 00:36:57.720 --> 00:37:02.680 TCEQ things like that that they have authority to go ahead and issue those so this is a report 00:37:02.680 --> 00:37:08.480 of the reports that they had made annually to those entities and we have Stephen gay 00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:16.800 here I just want if there's any questions yeah okay we're good okay the third item 00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:26.220 today is your future agenda items we have a couple that have been on here so it looks 00:37:26.220 --> 00:37:34.880 like a pub officer election Grissom lift station cost participation agreement and the FY 22 00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:39.720 23 electric budget rates both of those are scheduled to come before you on the January 00:37:39.720 --> 00:37:44.320 9th pub meeting and the second one that's been on there for a while but it looks like 00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:48.800 it will come before you all in January is the green sense incentive program update okay 00:37:48.800 --> 00:37:55.880 and we do not have a meeting another meeting this month correct correct okay good deal 00:37:55.880 --> 00:38:01.960 okay and you're the last item is is any new business action items that you all would like 00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:10.240 to have on a future agenda anyone got anything in mind race raise a little hell and Lee all 00:38:10.240 --> 00:38:17.040 right well I don't know if this is a future agenda item I did take a look at the report 00:38:17.040 --> 00:38:23.880 we received from council on the lawsuit I didn't have time to read all hundred and twenty 00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:28.840 one pages but I would be curious to know and maybe we need to do it in closed session but 00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:35.160 I would be curious to know what that lawsuit what its impact is on the city of Denton because 00:38:35.160 --> 00:38:41.840 it appeared to be a lawsuit against her cot and I was confused about our angle we need 00:38:41.840 --> 00:38:45.880 to take that into closed session but we can we can take that back and I don't know that's 00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:50.320 a future item or something we could do today or idea it'd need to be something we do in 00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:55.960 the future in the future okay then I would like to add it to the future agenda okay we'll 00:38:55.960 --> 00:38:59.560 get that added and we'll see which meeting in January we can get that prepared for and 00:38:59.560 --> 00:39:09.560 go ahead and add it on the agenda as a closed session item thank you please just the only 00:39:09.560 --> 00:39:16.720 curmudgeon over here okay so we'll move on to number four concluding items we have a 00:39:16.720 --> 00:39:20.280 work session here we see report hold a discussion and give staff direction on the development 00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:28.560 of a comprehensive diversion ordinance for the city of Denton this is pub 22-195 who's 00:39:28.560 --> 00:39:38.000 that that's you that's me and your name is Tammy causing assistant director for solid 00:39:38.000 --> 00:40:00.280 waste and recycling all right Tammy good morning 00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:08.520 so do y'all know that do you remember the movie in the 1970s some of us will remember 00:40:08.520 --> 00:40:13.480 Benji the dog you know I'm talking about it was filmed in this building when he breaks 00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:24.900 into and starts running around okay I'm full of useless information all right well good 00:40:24.900 --> 00:40:31.500 morning did you watch Yellowstone the other night the guy on stage Isaac Hoskins where 00:40:31.500 --> 00:40:38.520 does he live did in Texas plays a dance all the time yeah he played at the governor's 00:40:38.520 --> 00:40:50.920 inauguration ball I'll think it's okay today we're going to be talking introducing a concept 00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:58.060 for a comprehensive diversion ordinance we'll be reviewing the comprehensive solid waste 00:40:58.060 --> 00:41:22.920 management strategy thank you so we'll be talking a little bit about what the ordinance 00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:28.180 key elements are as a reminder the city of Denton is the sole provider for all trash 00:41:28.180 --> 00:41:33.900 services both on the residential side and the commercial sector we are an open market 00:41:33.900 --> 00:41:40.320 for commercial recycling of programmatic materials and we service residential for programmatic 00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:46.620 materials programmatic materials are anything in our recycling contract cardboard plastics 00:41:46.620 --> 00:41:54.120 one through seven glass steel cans and aluminum cans non-programmatic materials or items like 00:41:54.120 --> 00:42:00.500 textiles plastic film anything that can be diverted that's not in our contract an open 00:42:00.500 --> 00:42:08.160 market for our commercial sector is the customers can contract with the city of Denton or they 00:42:08.160 --> 00:42:15.200 can hire a third-party contractor currently the landfill has roughly 34 years of lifespan 00:42:15.200 --> 00:42:21.380 left at the current rate of tonnage accepted annually showcasing how important it is to 00:42:21.380 --> 00:42:27.560 divert as many materials as possible and then we'll be talking about directions and next 00:42:27.560 --> 00:42:35.380 steps our comprehensive solid waste management strategy was adopted in July of 2022 it serves 00:42:35.380 --> 00:42:41.260 as a guide for the city's future solid waste materials management system regarding infrastructure 00:42:41.260 --> 00:42:46.320 programs and policies one of the key findings from this comprehensive solid waste management 00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:55.360 strategy was the opportunity in the multifamily and commercial sector to divert more materials 00:42:55.360 --> 00:42:59.860 because we're talking about multifamily today it's important that we talk about how the 00:42:59.860 --> 00:43:04.580 recycling centers at the landfill in North Lakes were established to provide apartment 00:43:04.580 --> 00:43:11.700 residents without on-site property access to recycling a place to recycle currently 43% 00:43:11.700 --> 00:43:17.500 of the users of these two recycling centers are non-city or for our non-city of Denton 00:43:17.500 --> 00:43:23.980 residents we did ask to permanently close North Lakes at our council meeting but we 00:43:23.980 --> 00:43:28.260 were given direction not to so this slide we're no longer asking for directions but 00:43:28.260 --> 00:43:39.740 I wanted to share with you yes 43% of the users are non-city so back in July when there 00:43:39.740 --> 00:43:46.620 was a temporary closure we opened the landfill we advertised for people to come to the landfill 00:43:46.620 --> 00:43:52.440 and we were taking their address we were asking where they came from so it was a six week 00:43:52.440 --> 00:44:00.480 period that we took that data from thank you and this is the fun part we start getting 00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:05.260 into the metrics that helped us decide on bringing this proposal for a comprehensive 00:44:05.260 --> 00:44:11.620 diversion ordinance last year solid waste and recycling hauled 93,013 tons of commercial 00:44:11.620 --> 00:44:22.300 trash and recycling of that 90,565 was trash 2,448 tons was recycling giving us a 3% diversion 00:44:22.300 --> 00:44:31.540 rate the city of Denton has 2,835 commercial trash customers of that 484 of those customers 00:44:31.540 --> 00:44:39.940 recycle with the city of Denton giving us a 17% participation rate the caveat here is 00:44:39.940 --> 00:44:45.540 that the above data only captures city of Denton customers it doesn't capture our open 00:44:45.540 --> 00:44:52.140 market with the third party what this data is telling us is that we have an opportunity 00:44:52.140 --> 00:44:59.060 to increase diversion rate and also increase the participation rate one by having all commercial 00:44:59.060 --> 00:45:05.380 entities recycle and also capturing data from the third party recyclers as well as those 00:45:05.380 --> 00:45:10.980 commercial entities that are that have in-house diversion efforts like the Peterbilts and 00:45:10.980 --> 00:45:18.740 the Tetrapex who are diverting materials that aren't in our program Burns and McDonald 00:45:18.740 --> 00:45:24.220 our contractor for comprehensive solid waste me yes quick question you mentioned about 00:45:24.220 --> 00:45:31.580 getting data from third parties how would we go about obtaining that information so 00:45:31.580 --> 00:45:36.260 part of the ordinance will be requiring on a quarterly basis for them to send us their 00:45:36.260 --> 00:45:43.340 quarterly tonnages so we'll be tracking it that way well that's interesting I have to 00:45:43.340 --> 00:45:49.900 ponder that thank you the recycling portion which is a very small amount there obviously 00:45:49.900 --> 00:45:56.180 what is that generally what are those recycled products what is it we're receiving cardboard 00:45:56.180 --> 00:46:03.820 paper glass yes so our program is cardboard plastics one through seven steel cans aluminum 00:46:03.820 --> 00:46:07.900 cans glass and if you're not going to get to this I'm going to ask it right now and 00:46:07.900 --> 00:46:12.540 you if you are then we can stop and move on but your recycled products that you're taking 00:46:12.540 --> 00:46:18.580 for paving products are you not taking paving products anymore no we're not okay so I want 00:46:18.580 --> 00:46:27.020 to point out the city of did not allow recycled products in their asphalt or concrete but 00:46:27.020 --> 00:46:35.740 if their goal is to go into having to quit putting what we're putting in the in the landfill 00:46:35.740 --> 00:46:43.460 it's a it's a bad move places up north they recycle 30 to 40 percent asphalt in their 00:46:43.460 --> 00:46:47.620 in their asphalt part of the comprehensive solid waste management strategy is to be able 00:46:47.620 --> 00:46:52.960 to identify those other recycling streams today we're just talking about programmatic 00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:57.980 materials and then getting the data from this getting that out there's not even your department 00:46:57.980 --> 00:47:04.940 that's engineering in design is what I'm concerned with and I think that people just they don't 00:47:04.940 --> 00:47:09.860 they don't recycle as faults because they don't understand how to do it and that's the 00:47:09.860 --> 00:47:18.500 only move so I agree yes anyway I know on the top of the recycle bin it has what can 00:47:18.500 --> 00:47:24.540 be recycled that wears off and I get a lot of I get a significant number of questions 00:47:24.540 --> 00:47:32.460 of what can you recycle and we could do a really better job perhaps in putting out there 00:47:32.460 --> 00:47:39.380 for people to know what exactly can be recycled and what cannot like I understand a pizza 00:47:39.380 --> 00:47:46.860 box you can't recycle a pizza box because it's had food in it but maybe we might do 00:47:46.860 --> 00:47:53.380 a little education and where do I send people to say oh there's a list here for you to get 00:47:53.380 --> 00:47:57.980 so that you'll know what you can recycle yeah so we do have the waste wizard online so you 00:47:57.980 --> 00:48:03.140 can go online go to our waste wizard and type in whatever item is that you're curious about 00:48:03.140 --> 00:48:08.180 if we can recycle and it'll tell you if we can in our our current program or if we can't 00:48:08.180 --> 00:48:13.740 or it also gives up options of where you can take it I believe and we are as we're doing 00:48:13.740 --> 00:48:19.620 field audits the team both in public outreach and our team in solid waste whenever they 00:48:19.620 --> 00:48:25.300 go to a container if the sticker is outdated and you can't see it they are replacing them 00:48:25.300 --> 00:48:32.140 as they come up to those containers so they've run into some very outdated and old stickers 00:48:32.140 --> 00:48:37.980 and we're replacing them with clearer messages thank you get information in the city of didn't 00:48:37.980 --> 00:48:43.940 newsletter that goes out once a month but you stick that kind of information in that newsletter 00:48:43.940 --> 00:48:48.580 periodically not every time but yeah I think we do it at when we do rate changes and we're 00:48:48.580 --> 00:48:54.120 trying to do it quarterly or whenever there's a an opportunity so quarterly if we were doing 00:48:54.120 --> 00:49:03.140 it quarterly yeah if people read their mail like they should be okay so during this waste 00:49:03.140 --> 00:49:08.780 characterization study that burns a McDonald did it was a small snapshot in time it was 00:49:08.780 --> 00:49:13.340 done over two days with three multifamily customers and eight commercial customers and 00:49:13.340 --> 00:49:18.380 it told a very significant story there was also a larger waste characterization study 00:49:18.380 --> 00:49:24.100 done for all of North Texas which validated that small snapshot in time for us and what 00:49:24.100 --> 00:49:29.860 it did is it analyzed what the trash was so it didn't come they took what was encompassed 00:49:29.860 --> 00:49:33.900 in there and kind of divided up into different categories and what the data showed us from 00:49:33.900 --> 00:49:40.340 that small snapshot was that 42 percent of the multifamily trash was made up of programmatic 00:49:40.340 --> 00:49:46.540 recycled materials and in the the trash for commercial for that sample is 55 percent was 00:49:46.540 --> 00:49:53.260 programmatic material so find that please programmatic material it's glass cardboard 00:49:53.260 --> 00:50:00.460 plastics one through seven stuff I just said right okay so what this what this opportunity 00:50:00.460 --> 00:50:06.740 is telling us is of the previous slides 90,000 tons of trash 42 to 55 percent of it is made 00:50:06.740 --> 00:50:10.900 up of programmatic recyclable material that could have been diverted but unfortunately 00:50:10.900 --> 00:50:19.900 it was sent to the landfill that's education well if you don't mind me asking what are 00:50:19.900 --> 00:50:25.820 plastics one through seven so that that's one of the the tricky things it's important 00:50:25.820 --> 00:50:30.900 to look at what you're throwing away and it if you see the recycling symbol it'll tell 00:50:30.900 --> 00:50:39.060 a number in there so plastic jugs melt cartons those type of items basically every hard plastic 00:50:39.060 --> 00:50:51.840 except styrofoam and films film so feel like wrap oh okay container hard plastic container 00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:58.020 does not have a recycle local it's still recyclable it's it's a number seven at that point with 00:50:58.020 --> 00:51:04.940 Starfield is dead right well my apologies for the interruption I'm saying maybe they 00:51:04.940 --> 00:51:09.900 don't want to maybe they don't want the unlabeled sevens but but basically almost all hard plastics 00:51:09.900 --> 00:51:15.260 are if you if you look at the stickers that are newer it'll show you pictures of what 00:51:15.260 --> 00:51:18.940 we take in there and it's a little easier if you can see it on the picture versus just 00:51:18.940 --> 00:51:25.580 one through seven but it's a jug or some sort of container that holds something okay thank 00:51:25.580 --> 00:51:32.860 you interesting another metric we like to track is recycling contamination this allows for 00:51:32.860 --> 00:51:38.420 our recycling stream to be of its highest quality so we can maximize the opportunities 00:51:38.420 --> 00:51:44.100 there you can see I think Brian's told us over and over again if it's a little bit contaminated 00:51:44.100 --> 00:51:51.180 it's all contaminated right you just don't even mess with it at that point you know so 00:51:51.180 --> 00:51:57.280 with the gray line here you can see that our fiscal year 22 23 we set an annual goal goal 00:51:57.280 --> 00:52:04.180 for contamination to be 41% with the blue line you can see that for fiscal year 21 22 00:52:04.180 --> 00:52:11.580 we had had an annual average of 41% which was 14% below last year you can see with the 00:52:11.580 --> 00:52:17.680 orange dot and the red arrow that our October commercial contamination rate was 43% I want 00:52:17.680 --> 00:52:23.420 to point out that our annual goal was set this year during budget season so we were 00:52:23.420 --> 00:52:28.900 averaging 43% and if you can see April May and June we were significantly higher than 00:52:28.900 --> 00:52:33.300 that we weren't quite sure where we were going to end up for the year we had implemented 00:52:33.300 --> 00:52:39.460 a pilot program with our multifamily and commercial containers where we implemented shoot lids 00:52:39.460 --> 00:52:44.620 and locking devices which significantly lowered our contamination we weren't sure when we 00:52:44.620 --> 00:52:49.020 were going to be able to clear the lids so we weren't sure how that was going to affect 00:52:49.020 --> 00:52:54.660 our annual goal we are slated right now for February to install half of our containers 00:52:54.660 --> 00:52:59.340 with those shoot lids and locking devices and then hopefully the remainder by summer 00:52:59.340 --> 00:53:07.980 time so now that excuse me but I would imply that if you're wanting to lock those commercial 00:53:07.980 --> 00:53:13.060 containers that they're getting stuff from outside the commercial enterprise is that 00:53:13.060 --> 00:53:18.940 the implication illegal dumping mostly so when they're they're not locked people drive 00:53:18.940 --> 00:53:24.100 by and there they see a container and they just throw trash in there or donation type 00:53:24.100 --> 00:53:29.780 items so with the locking bar and the shoot lid it restricts the amount the different 00:53:29.780 --> 00:53:38.060 types of non-programmatic material one of the things we've got to remember is when 00:53:38.060 --> 00:53:42.460 we're talking about the shoot lids and the locks most of that applies to our multifamily 00:53:42.460 --> 00:53:47.660 which is also considered a commercial entity pursuant to our collection device so from 00:53:47.660 --> 00:53:54.980 a regular commercial you know entity out back of the of the warehouse we don't see much 00:53:54.980 --> 00:54:00.540 contamination that they do a fairly decent job of keeping it clean but your apartments 00:54:00.540 --> 00:54:04.380 basically any port in a storm if I have to take 20 steps to the garbage but it's five 00:54:04.380 --> 00:54:09.860 steps to the recycle container where does it go so by putting the restrictor lids and 00:54:09.860 --> 00:54:14.140 the locking devices on there it forces the person take those few extra steps to put the 00:54:14.140 --> 00:54:19.180 garbage where it has to go okay well that makes more sense from the comment I was concerned 00:54:19.180 --> 00:54:25.900 that we had lots of people dumping in behind the warehouse containers and we do but we 00:54:25.900 --> 00:54:29.700 we do but but again it's the illegal dumping in and around the garbage containers that 00:54:29.700 --> 00:54:39.860 we see in the in the truly commercial entities okay thank you very much for clarification 00:54:39.860 --> 00:54:45.240 so the key elements of the proposal today is requiring all commercial entities to implement 00:54:45.240 --> 00:54:50.900 a diversion recycling plan program requirements from the customers will be to submit on an 00:54:50.900 --> 00:54:56.220 annual basis a diversion plan we hope to have this online so that it's just a quick form 00:54:56.220 --> 00:55:01.180 for them to be filling out the choices of diversion of programmatic materials will be 00:55:01.180 --> 00:55:06.560 to contract with the city of Denton or a third party the choices for non-programmatic materials 00:55:06.560 --> 00:55:12.280 will be to contract with a third party or to perform in-house requirements from a third 00:55:12.280 --> 00:55:16.820 party diversion vendor or in-house programs will be one to obtain a permit with the city 00:55:16.820 --> 00:55:24.020 which we already have implemented we do plan on extending that to donation bins so we can 00:55:24.020 --> 00:55:29.860 help track get a contact for a local contact and help keep those areas clean as well as 00:55:29.860 --> 00:55:34.860 track get the data from the tonnage of what's being diverted and then send quarterly diversion 00:55:34.860 --> 00:55:43.780 tonnages to the city we have the development timeline will be 18 months we plan to have 00:55:43.780 --> 00:55:50.460 a draft ordinance completed in January with full implementation completed by June of 2024 00:55:50.460 --> 00:55:58.100 along with extensive public outreach and education throughout the 18 months and beyond our next 00:55:58.100 --> 00:56:03.740 steps for today are to get discussion and feedback from you all and receive direction 00:56:03.740 --> 00:56:07.980 to create the comprehensive diversion ordinance where we have all commercial and multifamily 00:56:07.980 --> 00:56:13.340 units required to have a diversion plan the permitting and reporting requirements from 00:56:13.340 --> 00:56:19.660 all third-party providers and the implementation schedule we don't need support of the closure 00:56:19.660 --> 00:56:29.580 since we've gotten that direction already questions and I think mine you might have 00:56:29.580 --> 00:56:36.620 answered this for me just so I'm clear on problematic materials like glass and plastic 00:56:36.620 --> 00:56:42.860 even if it's got a label on it we don't it can go in and recycle yes the label is fine 00:56:42.860 --> 00:56:49.420 they can take that off during the process I mean where we can we should yeah what what 00:56:49.420 --> 00:56:53.660 what they want is they don't want if you have like a can of dog food if it's half full of 00:56:53.660 --> 00:56:58.060 dog food they don't want the dog food in there still so rinsing it out is important the labels 00:56:58.060 --> 00:57:04.460 are not that important no what about the lid the lid on the plastic bottle or the metal 00:57:04.460 --> 00:57:12.020 lid on the glass so they prefer the lid to be intact into it it helps push it through 00:57:12.020 --> 00:57:17.220 the assembly line so having that lid yeah what it does what has been found out here 00:57:17.220 --> 00:57:21.540 recently let's take a water bottle if you have the lid off and it goes through the compactors 00:57:21.540 --> 00:57:26.220 and everything basically it becomes a two-dimensional object and the sorters read it as paper so 00:57:26.220 --> 00:57:31.460 it goes off onto the paper line by keeping the lid off on it it creates a third dimension 00:57:31.460 --> 00:57:36.420 it allows it to be sorted correctly and goes into the the plastic line okay wow that's 00:57:36.420 --> 00:57:43.060 it's hard enough that it doesn't get crushed yeah that's unusual okay I have a question 00:57:43.060 --> 00:57:48.260 and maybe council would be better person to answer it what authority does the city have 00:57:48.260 --> 00:57:55.460 to require third parties to permit and report which is one of the things that the ordinance 00:57:55.460 --> 00:58:04.980 appears to be asking for under the Texas health and safety code which I believe is item subsection 00:58:04.980 --> 00:58:12.060 361 362 363 the City Council does have the authority to find what its solid waste program 00:58:12.060 --> 00:58:19.900 is as well as any permitting or franchising of outside vendors so as part of that it's 00:58:19.900 --> 00:58:24.900 implied and I think it's been held up in court that if reports are required back then we 00:58:24.900 --> 00:58:31.800 will then that that upholds so we have that authority okay I was not aware of that part 00:58:31.800 --> 00:58:46.460 of the code any comment I completely understand the purpose of that please don't I'm just 00:58:46.460 --> 00:58:54.500 curious about the legal authority to require the reporting and permitting yeah so in addition 00:58:54.500 --> 00:59:00.420 to Brian statute we are a home rule city and as a home rule city unless there is a specific 00:59:00.420 --> 00:59:07.260 removal of a power via a statute or a legislative action we generally have the ability to regulate 00:59:07.260 --> 00:59:12.300 within that space because we are a home rule city so this would also come from our ability 00:59:12.300 --> 00:59:17.940 as a home rule city to regulate our kind of activities within our city limits well thank 00:59:17.940 --> 00:59:30.960 you both appreciate it yeah so I think the plan I think it needs more detail for of course 00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:36.860 for us to recommend it but I think this this idea of increasing commercial recycling you 00:59:36.860 --> 00:59:43.260 know it's been talked about for 20 years yeah and if we can get a an implementable plan 00:59:43.260 --> 00:59:50.820 to encourage it if you get half of that diversion get an extra 20,000 tons of year a year recycled 00:59:50.820 --> 00:59:55.180 versus landfill that's a that's a lot of landfill space that's a lot of value that you know 00:59:55.180 --> 01:00:00.820 some recycling basically cost money to recycle cardboard and plastic cardboard and paper 01:00:00.820 --> 01:00:05.900 are pretty high value and actually have a commodity value make that make them beneficial 01:00:05.900 --> 01:00:10.580 to recycle and lots of businesses they're throwing away packing and they're throwing 01:00:10.580 --> 01:00:15.340 away paper if it's gotten off if it is an office or it has an office in it they have 01:00:15.340 --> 01:00:21.320 a ton of paper and cardboard recycling so I think that's those are obvious high value 01:00:21.320 --> 01:00:25.460 instead of putting a valuable commodity in the landfill you know we should we should 01:00:25.460 --> 01:00:32.180 be able to have a lot of diversion from these programs I think the key is decreasing the 01:00:32.180 --> 01:00:36.620 friction I think there are a few a handful of really key items one of them is is decreasing 01:00:36.620 --> 01:00:44.620 the friction to recycle very few people are opposed to recycling they just it's it's 01:00:44.620 --> 01:00:48.340 the easier choice it's five steps versus 20 it's I don't have like this building was 01:00:48.340 --> 01:00:56.120 built in 1962 and there's room for one dumpster that or or other things that increase the 01:00:56.120 --> 01:01:05.220 friction to to recycle so I think the key in actually achieving these goals will be 01:01:05.220 --> 01:01:12.820 innovation and implementation that you know cities some cities in urban areas have created 01:01:12.820 --> 01:01:17.440 have started using really small rolling dumpsters and they're kind of like a trash bin but they're 01:01:17.440 --> 01:01:22.580 like six feet long and the business rolls them back into the little storage area or 01:01:22.580 --> 01:01:27.340 the alley and then they roll them out on trash day and put them on the curb and you know 01:01:27.340 --> 01:01:32.060 something like that where you don't have you make room for dumpsters where dumpsters no 01:01:32.060 --> 01:01:36.300 trash truck could fit down that alley there's no place to you can't put a dumpster in front 01:01:36.300 --> 01:01:44.100 of your prime parking you know on the square but things like large bins rolling dumpsters 01:01:44.100 --> 01:01:49.640 much smaller dumpsters at side load the city of Denton eliminated side load dumpsters for 01:01:49.640 --> 01:01:55.260 fleet maintenance goals side load dumpsters the truck doesn't have to pull straight in 01:01:55.260 --> 01:02:00.720 they can pull up to the side so that means you can have a lot more parking configurations 01:02:00.720 --> 01:02:06.700 where you can have a dumpster just off the drive area but it does increase fleet maintenance 01:02:06.700 --> 01:02:11.100 because you have to have two types of trucks and you have to and those smaller dumpsters 01:02:11.100 --> 01:02:18.860 carry less stuff so you have to make more pickups there are another implement obvious 01:02:18.860 --> 01:02:25.100 implementation thing is education Denton has a more transient population than a lot of 01:02:25.100 --> 01:02:29.100 cities we have a lot of college students moving in a lot of professionals moving in a lot 01:02:29.100 --> 01:02:37.020 of college students ex-college students moving out you know so back with their parents yeah 01:02:37.020 --> 01:02:42.900 so I got one right now and so this education isn't like oh we educated that house three 01:02:42.900 --> 01:02:50.100 years ago five years ago it's what is it 60 percent of all units in in Denton are rentals 01:02:50.100 --> 01:02:58.340 and so 10 or 20 percent of those a year are new to Denton and so it's one thing to have 01:02:58.340 --> 01:03:07.540 a letter a year to a rate payer about what what's recyclable but that's that's half 01:03:07.540 --> 01:03:10.940 of those three-quarters of those are probably going to be recycled before they're opened 01:03:10.940 --> 01:03:18.980 you know so the more opportunity for education on you know what's programmatic in Denton 01:03:18.980 --> 01:03:26.260 the better I I think the the diversion plan like we're requiring all customers to have 01:03:26.260 --> 01:03:32.940 a diversion plan that's interesting I I do worry about the very small businesses or the 01:03:32.940 --> 01:03:36.740 very small like we barely have a dumpster we're on the once a week pick up and it's 01:03:36.740 --> 01:03:43.780 a quarter full and I don't know if you're going to have boiler and now this is an opera 01:03:43.780 --> 01:03:50.140 like this is an opportunity for bureaucratic pain and angering a customer or an opportunity 01:03:50.140 --> 01:03:57.940 for education where you almost have a well here's your very small business pre-made diversion 01:03:57.940 --> 01:04:01.660 plan and let's go through it real quick and show you here's some you know all you have 01:04:01.660 --> 01:04:05.860 to do is agree to this plan and and here's how what you can divert right it's an opportunity 01:04:05.860 --> 01:04:11.740 to teach people to divert and it's as opposed to here's a you must file a 20 page plan that 01:04:11.740 --> 01:04:18.220 covers these you know 17 points and you must have annual metrics and you know for a one 01:04:18.220 --> 01:04:22.580 or two person business that's not viable yeah so if they're if they're using the city of 01:04:22.580 --> 01:04:26.260 Denton they won't need to report how much time is there because we'll have all that 01:04:26.260 --> 01:04:32.740 data for the the smaller businesses if they only need a cart we can easily give them a 01:04:32.740 --> 01:04:38.620 cart and put them on so you said give them a cart well sign them up for cart services 01:04:38.620 --> 01:04:44.980 what is the charge for a cart most of our at my office most of our our paper is recycled 01:04:44.980 --> 01:04:49.180 through the shredder anyway so it doesn't really make any difference and they they probably 01:04:49.180 --> 01:04:55.580 sell that and make a good living off of the shredded paper today yeah okay but curious 01:04:55.580 --> 01:05:04.620 what is it $33 a month give me six well and to that end if you have like iron mountain 01:05:04.620 --> 01:05:08.980 come in and shred your paper that is your third party recycler right so again all it 01:05:08.980 --> 01:05:12.900 is is getting the number back to us you know a lot of this you talk about pain points and 01:05:12.900 --> 01:05:16.540 pressure points we recognize there's gonna be de minimis amounts and again that'll be 01:05:16.540 --> 01:05:20.900 a checkbox so we can go out and audit and work with those communities probably half 01:05:20.900 --> 01:05:25.300 of the customers out there already have some sort of diversion plan going in place whether 01:05:25.300 --> 01:05:30.820 it be cardboard or plastic like tetra like right now Peterbilt is essentially a zero 01:05:30.820 --> 01:05:35.220 waste facility we do not collect garbage from them everything goes back to some other source 01:05:35.220 --> 01:05:40.140 we don't recognize that number so getting that data in same thing with tetra packs so 01:05:40.140 --> 01:05:44.460 it's data mining and really so when you when you start chopping off these people that are 01:05:44.460 --> 01:05:48.740 already doing it all we're looking at reporting it's a very small subset of what we're doing 01:05:48.740 --> 01:05:53.980 that we actually have to integrate and implement programs within and whether it be a programmatic 01:05:53.980 --> 01:05:58.260 material that goes to Pratt or to something else or a non-programmatic material that we 01:05:58.260 --> 01:06:03.860 partner with some sort of third party and create that economic incentive or that economic 01:06:03.860 --> 01:06:10.120 development opportunity to bring in a concrete recycler a textile recycler some you know 01:06:10.120 --> 01:06:14.880 some other type of facility that will manage that material then it's a win-win for the 01:06:14.880 --> 01:06:17.020 city of Denton. 01:06:17.020 --> 01:06:23.660 You know I think Devin's got some really good ideas and good points and kind of made me 01:06:23.660 --> 01:06:27.060 think a little bit but you guys always do of course this is what you do for a living 01:06:27.060 --> 01:06:35.900 appreciate that it's maybe something that needs to go further to the council and yeah 01:06:35.900 --> 01:06:41.940 maybe get them to get a subcommittee with somebody like you on it folks well I mean 01:06:41.940 --> 01:06:46.660 I appreciate it I really do well and you know and I'm just kind of throwing out ideas and 01:06:46.660 --> 01:06:55.060 the risks of how like these five bullet points how they could go astray and so I think the 01:06:55.060 --> 01:07:00.920 key here is that implementation and I think in the past maybe that the Solid Waste Department 01:07:00.920 --> 01:07:06.700 hasn't had as much support as it needed necessarily to I mean it's institutional change in Solid 01:07:06.700 --> 01:07:12.700 Waste it's institutional change in other city departments kind of the you know walk the 01:07:12.700 --> 01:07:19.980 walk in maybe city engineering things like that and and it's also willingness to of like 01:07:19.980 --> 01:07:26.740 boards and City Council to support these initiatives so you know I wholeheartedly support obvious 01:07:26.740 --> 01:07:32.480 low-hanging fruit of let's there's 40,000 tons of divertable waste that's not being 01:07:32.480 --> 01:07:39.260 diverted because it's just a little too hard or people don't even know or you know we've 01:07:39.260 --> 01:07:44.420 always done it this way you know those are the things that we could we get half that 01:07:44.420 --> 01:07:49.660 number overnight and yeah like you said Peterbilt Tetra Pak employers with 500 or a thousand 01:07:49.660 --> 01:07:53.380 people they already have a plan all they all you have to do is like once a year they send 01:07:53.380 --> 01:07:58.740 you their spreadsheet you know so we had recycling in Denton for 20 years remember when they 01:07:58.740 --> 01:08:04.460 started in the schools with the children I mean what about a Denton ISD what's your name 01:08:04.460 --> 01:08:09.940 that was the dinosaur and you start with the kids and the kids start bugging their parents 01:08:09.940 --> 01:08:29.020 about it yeah Serena Serena Serena anyway she was the she called herself the trash lady 01:08:29.020 --> 01:08:33.940 she was kids could be full of personality but go to the elementary schools and start 01:08:33.940 --> 01:08:40.740 trying to well and we've recently redone or retooled our sustainable schools program 01:08:40.740 --> 01:08:46.180 only because you know as you stated our program our city of Denton program is 20 years old 01:08:46.180 --> 01:08:50.780 yeah our program our sustainable school is 20 years old and because of innovation and 01:08:50.780 --> 01:08:55.540 just the market and everything else we've had to upgrade it and as a result we're getting 01:08:55.540 --> 01:09:01.100 much cleaner material from schools I was on the PUB when we passed that and when we sold 01:09:01.100 --> 01:09:05.540 that to people people were just pissed off about it and you know now it's just a part 01:09:05.540 --> 01:09:09.900 of our lives right I mean we recycle and we well yeah and what's interesting last week 01:09:09.900 --> 01:09:18.500 I spent four days in San Diego at WasteCon which is basically all the solid waste professionals 01:09:18.500 --> 01:09:24.300 of all municipalities in North America getting together talking trash a bunch of garbage what's 01:09:24.300 --> 01:09:28.060 interesting you get 1,200 people in the same room and somebody says recycling and then 01:09:28.060 --> 01:09:32.460 the arguments start because again from a programmatic standpoint our program doesn't take glass 01:09:32.460 --> 01:09:37.340 it's not recyclable we don't take plastic so again that's why you know we're here at 01:09:37.340 --> 01:09:41.020 the city of Denton we're really working hard to change the vernacular we talk about recycling 01:09:41.020 --> 01:09:45.940 but we talk about the programmatic piece of it programmatic recycling so you know it's 01:09:45.940 --> 01:09:49.940 within our program and then we talk about third-party recycling to create this diversionary 01:09:49.940 --> 01:09:54.420 number so you know it's it's it's continual so well you guys you guys keep doing better 01:09:54.420 --> 01:09:58.660 I'm just almost I'm gonna go back to old school again 20 years ago we asked what's the life 01:09:58.660 --> 01:10:04.420 span of our landfill they said 26 years yeah that was 20 years ago now we're saying 34 01:10:04.420 --> 01:10:10.500 so yeah we're getting better Brian's doing good his people are doing a great job have 01:10:10.500 --> 01:10:15.700 a wonderful team that that helps get us that's an admirable it really is really good you 01:10:15.700 --> 01:10:23.800 guys are doing great work thank you anymore this chairman we supposed to take any action 01:10:23.800 --> 01:10:30.740 on this I think Devin could go on for hours I wasn't talking about more talk I don't think 01:10:30.740 --> 01:10:35.920 there's any action required for this one so they did take it forward to council already 01:10:35.920 --> 01:10:38.940 and received direction to go ahead and start building that comprehensive ordinance so it 01:10:38.940 --> 01:10:43.020 will come back to PB once they have more of the specifics and the ordinance drafted and 01:10:43.020 --> 01:10:49.120 then go on to council as well sounds good thank you Tammy great presentation anybody 01:10:49.120 --> 01:10:55.780 else I usually make the motion but I'm gonna let somebody else do it today Larry Beck and 01:10:55.780 --> 01:11:03.260 he moved to adjourn fourths we are done Merry Christmas