1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:15,200 for Monday, December 12th, 2022 we will call this meeting to order first thing we'll do 2 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:21,760 is recognize any presentation from members of the public are there you guys all work 3 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:29,380 here all right fantastic we'll move on to the consent agenda and I believe Mr. Ryback 4 00:00:29,380 --> 00:00:36,440 wanted to pull a few things I need to pull one too and then recuse myself you do that 5 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:56,080 for me that's I I it's an agenda miss Russell will pull agenda number I okay hang on I'll 6 00:00:56,080 --> 00:01:15,440 get to you hang on okay and Mr. Ryback wouldn't pull KLM yes sir there's KL and M okay Mr. 7 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:21,520 Cheeker these just for questions or you want individual votes on each one I has to have 8 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:30,140 an individual book vote I have to leave the room I have some questions on a and H here 9 00:01:30,140 --> 00:01:46,440 we go okay I'm gonna try to get this right or what we're going to vote on first for the 10 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:55,760 consent agenda and it may take me a moment so it is we will entertain a motion to we 11 00:01:55,760 --> 00:02:00,320 could we could try to go we could let's run through all the questions see if staff can 12 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,920 answer them that way you can vote on everything together on consent minus the one you need 13 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:13,480 to recuse for okay all right item number a is that you Larry thank you I just have a 14 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:30,840 very brief question on item a good morning I'm curious why a five thousand dollar item 15 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:38,560 needs board approval it seems like this could just be a budgeted study Michael Gagne director 16 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,400 of environmental services sustainability it's just a process we do here at the city of Denton 17 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:46,840 actually since it's over a five-year spend we exceed the $25,000 we just bring it back 18 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,480 in to make sure y'all are aware of it because this is a one-year agreement with four options 19 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:56,120 to renew so the overall five-year spend would be 25 over 25,000 okay I didn't see that in 20 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:00,360 the agenda I was like why is the first thing this tiny tiny little study that we probably 21 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:04,440 do every year yes thank you we've been doing since 19 well working off and on with them 22 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:11,440 since 98 been in 2018 since we've been having to fund it thank you all right good question 23 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:19,520 though why do they need to bring five grand to us all right item number E there's a question 24 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:27,760 that's you Larry yeah I just have a little information from all notification maybe some 25 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:33,360 other people here Brian I'm just curious once this gas is stored that we're extracting here 26 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:43,480 where's it once it's collected where's it stored and how's it distributed afterwards 27 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:49,280 into who's this is a different contract than that what this this contract does with with 28 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:56,080 Weaver under under item E excuse me Brian burner solid waste director is that they they 29 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:01,080 manage the system make sure it's it's tight but this gas goes for ultimate destruction 30 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:06,640 we're still in negotiations with a company that will concentrate this gas and actually 31 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:10,360 put it in a pipeline hopefully here after the first of the year we'll be bringing that 32 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:16,720 forward but currently this is for a to maintain the existing system make sure it's compliant 33 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:24,760 with our permit okay okay thank you sir thank you thanks Brian you okay Larry yes okay let's 34 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:38,680 go on to item number H you're rejecting bids 35 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:52,480 Terry good morning Terry Nolte assistant general manager DME good morning Terry just a so this 36 00:04:52,480 --> 00:05:00,520 agenda item is is pretty light on content yeah is there any information so I have two questions 37 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:06,760 one is there any information on the range of bids price of bids that we received that 38 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:12,080 can be made public not that we can make public at this time so we went out for an RFP for 39 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:20,440 these for basically 250 megawatts of additional renewables we received very few responses 40 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:25,800 and the reason for that is because of the uncertainty around the investment the IRA 41 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:35,560 the federal legislation and the its impact on on the tax credits so we're gonna reissue 42 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:43,880 what we we by policy we have to reject these bids in order to issue new bids new new request 43 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:49,800 for proposal so that that's all we're doing here and are you I guess waiting up a few 44 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:54,600 months for the IR like the IRS to know we all the standards we think that the industries 45 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:59,280 figured out what the impact is now and so the timing is such that by the you know we 46 00:05:59,280 --> 00:06:07,440 give bidders 90 days or so to put their proposals together because these are long-term transactions 47 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:12,960 and that will give them enough time to to know exactly what the financial impact is 48 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:20,360 and then my my other question I guess was so this is a one-time proposal this is it 49 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:27,340 like an annual thing just kind of no these we we periodically go out but for for these 50 00:06:27,340 --> 00:06:33,200 requests for proposals but only when we we see that in the future all we have a need 51 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:39,440 for additional renewables to keep keep the total for the year at 100 percent or greater 52 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:45,340 thank you Terry before you go yeah I just wanted to comment that based on the information 53 00:06:45,340 --> 00:06:49,320 sheet the uncertainty of the market that I thought this was a wise move so I just wanted 54 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:58,560 to throw in my two cents thank you just this the delight that this redo is going to cause 55 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:05,400 this isn't gonna negatively impact no no okay everything as we look at our positions for 56 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:11,440 this fiscal or for this calendar year that's about to end we should be well above or at 57 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:18,080 100 percent or better and we have a contract that's expiring at the end of 2020 beginning 58 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:25,060 of 2024 so that's what we're trying to replace is that 2024 and then we've had a significant 59 00:07:25,060 --> 00:07:30,600 amount of load growth as evidenced by the new peaks that we set this past summer okay 60 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:50,560 thank you okay I'm gonna skip I for obvious reasons go on to K we need transformers is 61 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:56,960 that what you're trying to say here yes sir can you find them first of all Randy key electric 62 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:05,600 engineering supervisor for do it is very hard to find them been in the papers it's been 63 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:12,760 in the paper yes sir it was your pool there Lee yes sir it was that was my question is 64 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:19,400 why we were making the expenditure on rebuilt utility transformers and I was curious about 65 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:29,800 their availability and how you managed to find them cold calls Wow we have two thousand 66 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:37,720 transformers on order and some of them been on order for over 80 weeks did you say eight 67 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:46,920 zero week eight zero 80 yes that's a year and a half roughly yes sir and the Solomon 68 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:54,280 purchase that we just did they're quoted at 16 weeks so that's why we made the purchase 69 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,760 okay well I was curious about it I didn't see anything in the information sheet that 70 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:03,400 made me warm and fuzzy so I thank you for filming us then yes I have no further questions 71 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:15,400 yes sir the mayor referred to I was talking about this and seeing if we could use some 72 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:21,080 federal funding I can't think of the name of the program that was out there how viable 73 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:29,400 is that for us to be able to get and is that just a move to to help the whole situation 74 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:33,560 throughout the country was this something specifically that's just a move to help throughout 75 00:09:33,560 --> 00:09:45,040 the whole okay okay so it was kind of a photo op top thing okay thank you you got some just 76 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:59,440 okay sir okay I think we'll move on the next item might be yours too right yes item number 77 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:12,120 L morning Tiffany Thompson director customer service and animal services good morning thank 78 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:21,120 you for being here appreciate it I was just curious about this particular management consulting 79 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:26,520 contract I was under the impression and please correct me if I'm wrong that we sort of already 80 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:33,800 had this in place so I was wondering is this something to upgrade improve modernize change 81 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,520 because you give us a little thumbnail sketch yeah absolutely so we're implementing a three 82 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:43,800 one one CRM program right now a UPM which is this contract extension and expenditure 83 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:50,520 increase is really the project manager between the city and variants for the CRM and because 84 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:57,480 of our time being the the customer relation module man because the timeline has extended 85 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:01,960 we needed to do an upgrade for upgrade for integrations for North Star and because of 86 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:07,400 that we're going to be getting on their calendar in January it's going to extend out that project 87 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:13,480 to November of 2023 so we need to have those funds available to continue that project management 88 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:19,720 so that's what this increase is so it's going live November of 2023 both both of these okay 89 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:25,280 so since we're extending the contract is what are the reasons for that it's strictly based 90 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:30,640 off the timeline we had to we had to get on North Star our CIS time frame for them to 91 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:35,080 do the integrations with the CRM and because we're doing that that wasn't in their original 92 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:39,680 scope of the contract and so we need their services to continue that to make sure that 93 00:11:39,680 --> 00:11:52,280 we meet that timeline okay thank you very much sir okay move on to item number L I believe 94 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:58,360 that was L sir well that was L I'm sorry yeah okay I'm gonna check it off there M is in 95 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:10,400 Mary for ReadyMix what's that all if you want to go you got a question go ahead I guess 96 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:20,240 I also asked for that one hello Casey Bowles water and wastewater field operations okay 97 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:27,400 I'll go first Clayton what are we talking about when we say spoil material that must 98 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:33,480 be supposed at an appropriate facility is this something sim separate from the landfill 99 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:42,280 the city landfill it is so this is when we take broken up asphalt concrete soil anything 100 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:47,040 used in making water sewer repairs also DM uses this contract Street uses the contract 101 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:51,040 so that kind of stuff that the landfill is not currently accepting where does it go what's 102 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:58,040 the facility it goes to it goes to it's called last chance ReadyMix it's in Denton yes okay 103 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:03,360 okay then the other half they've been they've been digging holes and selling the sand for 104 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:07,920 years right and so now they've created a pocket that you need to fill back in or want to make 105 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:14,520 that real estate or that that land that more valuable that's my opinion of course okay 106 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:21,400 whereabouts is it is on the city limits or it's out off of 428 off Marshawn if you're 107 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:25,000 familiar okay yeah okay it's out there and the other part of my question is how does 108 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:41,920 reducing operating costs help avoid restrictions related to using our landfill location and 109 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:47,320 good morning Brian Burness always director you know the landfill is a is a finite resource 110 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:51,880 and we are extremely fortunate that we recently had an expansion which gives us you know many 111 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:58,800 decades of useful space if we go ahead and put just waste spoil in their waste concrete 112 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:04,000 it fills it up much faster it's also very expensive work for us to manage as a waste 113 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:10,680 product and if we try to recycle it it's even more costly so using the third-party open 114 00:14:10,680 --> 00:14:19,120 market we we we are able to beneficially reuse that or we we as the city not we as the landfill 115 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:23,800 as solid waste department we as a city are able to to beneficially reuse that also it's 116 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:29,520 it's a allowable under the current rule as inert spoil that can that can be used for 117 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:34,120 fill so again it's a it's a it's the right and most appropriate use for this material 118 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,480 other than putting it in the landfill okay so by not using it to get rid of all this 119 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:43,120 concrete and everything gives us that landfill land to use for it gives us extra focus so 120 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:48,000 yeah then you know concretes non-compactable it doesn't degrade it just sets there and 121 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,800 really that that's where we lose money on it okay and then the last part here is what 122 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:57,320 kind of soil and vegetation get mixed in with the spoils material like flexible base hot 123 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:05,880 mix has the other items seems like soils and vegetation is I don't see how they got mixed 124 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:10,680 in with that is that just where they probably dug up the concrete is that all we're talking 125 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:15,840 about yes so you so you're talking about and I don't know exactly what we're saying 126 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:19,320 we're saying vegetation but what we're seeing is as we're removing asphalt if we're moving 127 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:26,680 concrete curve and and the soil around the pipes hauling that out it gets separated there 128 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:34,840 thank you well I have a question is by sending this to a third party having them basically 129 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:41,960 dispose of it elsewhere it does save space in the part I understood but I'm curious are 130 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:47,480 we as the city setting ourselves up for some other problem with the materials that they 131 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:55,080 are moving and disposing elsewhere potentially down the road from a solid race rule standpoint 132 00:15:55,080 --> 00:16:00,120 no it is considered inert feel because it gets it again it's concrete it's soil it's 133 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:05,400 basically you know it doesn't it doesn't decay so by putting it in appropriately at the field 134 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:12,160 site compacting it appropriately as Mr. Cheek said it allows that soil or that area to be 135 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,680 recovered and then we can build on it you know under subject what's called sub chapter 136 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:21,640 T rules so you build you know build on it pursuant to an area that's been filled okay 137 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:26,280 so basically it's a normal practice it's not something where we're setting ourselves up 138 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:30,480 correct no this is not a unique program to the city of Denton this is done in every single 139 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:35,520 community across our great nation well that was my concern thank you very much who will 140 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:45,880 Brian who will who will take care of the steel in the concrete us or them the troop here 141 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:50,720 yeah so so they do that so they separate it out they separate the concrete as they take 142 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:56,000 responsibility for that steel that's in the concrete okay yes sir that's the main concern 143 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,320 when you're burying concrete is the steel it's in it you got to cut it off and get it 144 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:06,920 down and that's right have you ever recycled concrete yes ma'am so this is part of what 145 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,600 they do they do recycle the concrete they separate it they crush it and they do resell 146 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:23,040 it and reuse it by a lot of it you drive on it every day okay okay I think we're good 147 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:32,320 for Emma isn't Mary move on to item number in is a Nancy I had I have some general questions 148 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:42,120 on in and oh what is your process for establishing a sales price Deanna Cody deputy director 149 00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:49,340 of development services real estate we order appraisals for prior to purchasing any property 150 00:17:49,340 --> 00:17:54,400 and then we negotiate as well okay but we must have appraisals for all property that 151 00:17:54,400 --> 00:18:00,040 we purchase who do you typically use for your appraisals we have a list of approved appraisers 152 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:08,440 that are on that have been gone through the RFP process or RFQ I always tend to RFQ so 153 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:15,360 we have a list of appraisers that we rotate through okay do you go denton first it just 154 00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:22,180 depends on where they are in the list so we just go from appraiser to appraiser on the 155 00:18:22,180 --> 00:18:28,520 list whoever's available because we consider that they all have the same skill set so it's 156 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:34,760 just whoever's next on the list we hope that you will continue to say didn't the first 157 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,540 there are neighbors and they pay taxes as long as we have dentin appraisers that reply 158 00:18:38,540 --> 00:18:47,080 to the RFQ absolutely in your transactions are the does everyone play their respective 159 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:53,880 closing cost or is that a negotiated item it can be a negotiated item the city usually 160 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:59,160 pays the closing costs with the exception of like if they have their own attorney or 161 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:06,920 broker fees that comes out of their the sellers proceeds so each pays their respective closing 162 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:16,360 fees okay that's a oh yes how much land is necessary I know sometimes you have to buy 163 00:19:16,360 --> 00:19:23,800 more than that's because that's the track but how do you how do you handle that well 164 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:31,160 there are two ways one there is the the basic amount the minimum amount of property that's 165 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:39,260 needed to to conduct whatever the the needs are that the city has and so that's what we 166 00:19:39,260 --> 00:19:46,840 will pursue in the event we're unable to negotiate a successful purchase otherwise in this particular 167 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:52,080 case you'll notice that there were two items on the agenda one is for approximately four 168 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:57,200 hundred acres the majority of that is floodplain so if we were to purchase just the upland 169 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:05,360 we would leave the property owner with all floodplain and so that was a negotiated transaction 170 00:20:05,360 --> 00:20:12,240 and so the and the second item is just for what the city needs which is the 50 acres 171 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:20,880 okay oh I'm sorry I have three items on the agenda I was assuming you were referring to 172 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:31,520 the birch yes yes yes not sure it's this time the 400 acres of birch land yes it's all 173 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:40,360 floodplain pretty much most of it is floodplain right okay and and lastly on item p that seems 174 00:20:40,360 --> 00:20:49,280 like that that seems like I guess I'm wondering why is that on there because isn't that the 175 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:56,320 natural flow of things is that we try to negotiate and if we're unable to then we carry it toward 176 00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:01,960 eminent domain so why is that on there it's here because we have two separate ordinances 177 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:07,720 and the the direction was if there are two ordinances you need both items otherwise it 178 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:12,560 would have just been one item and I would have shared all of it we're we're going for 179 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:16,760 the whole 400 acres and if we're unable to negotiate that when we would just proceed 180 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:21,680 with the 50 acres but because there are two separate ordinances that are going to council 181 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:28,200 and we'll be requesting recommendations for both that they needed to be two separate items 182 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:33,120 all right thank you very much you're welcome I have I have a question briefly although 183 00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:39,760 I didn't ask to pull it the 50,415 acres of land is that the total amount of land required 184 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:48,920 for the plant wastewater treatment facility oh yeah no it's just 50 acres 50.50 point 185 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:58,600 50.415 my apologies that was the 50 acres you referred to yes sir never mind thank you 186 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:08,480 okay so does that mean we covered item number P is in Paul okay there are no more questions 187 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:19,380 than that I'm gonna check that off to go to oh no I was talking about in and oh MP all 188 00:22:19,380 --> 00:22:25,600 of them together okay well those is yeah a little different owner but if you're fine 189 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:33,560 with that anybody else on those items okay well I'll check those off too and I am going 190 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:45,480 to entertain a motion for all consent agenda items except for item I as an Isaac motion 191 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:55,520 a second got that all those in favor please say aye aye and I'm gonna leave the room 192 00:22:55,520 --> 00:23:17,600 so y'all discussed item number Madam Chair I would like to move we accept consent agenda 193 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:41,040 item by second any discussion all in favor say aye aye opposed same sign thank you we 194 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:52,560 will now move on to items for an individual consideration consider the minute the approval 195 00:23:52,560 --> 00:24:05,200 of the November 14th 2022 minutes motion second second all those in favor please say aye item 196 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:11,560 number be considered individual consideration consider recommending adoption of an ordinance 197 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:17,320 of the city of Denton to this home roll municipal corporation authorizing the city manager to 198 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:23,960 utilize a contract through the lower Colorado River Authority contract number 5539 for the 199 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:31,520 purchase of 138 KV and 345 KV high voltage circuit breakers for didn't municipal electric 200 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:38,120 provider expenditure funds therefore and providing effective date file 7995 awarded to Siemens 201 00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:43,400 Energy Incorporated for three years with the option of two additional one-year extensions 202 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:49,080 and the total five-year not to exceed amount of two million five hundred ten thousand one 203 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:55,200 hundred thirty dollars good morning Christine do I need to read those all the way through 204 00:24:55,200 --> 00:25:07,600 it's always safe yes okay good morning Mark Zimmer DME engineering as said we're here 205 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,920 for consideration of a contract with Siemens Energy for the purchase of high voltage circuit 206 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:17,080 breakers for our substation projects DME uses high voltage circuit breakers and all of our 207 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:22,920 electric substations high voltage circuit breakers are used to interrupt the flow of 208 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:27,480 fault current during those situations and limit damage to our equipment that could be 209 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:35,560 caused by lightning strikes or falling trees on power lines or many other causes high voltage 210 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:40,680 circuit breakers used in our substations are similar in functions to the ones installed 211 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:48,400 in your house they're just much larger in in many ways DME has several projects in our 212 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,720 approved capital budget that require the purchase of circuit breakers a few of them are listed 213 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:58,000 here on this slide one of them as you can see is a future underwood substation that's 214 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:05,740 in the hunter coal ranch area DME proposes to utilize an existing cooperative contract 215 00:26:05,740 --> 00:26:10,360 between lower Colorado River Authority and Siemens for the purchase of these circuit 216 00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:14,840 breakers for our future projects a contract was competitively bid and meets all the state 217 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:20,320 of Texas procurement laws so staff recommends approval and of an agreement with Siemens 218 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:25,480 Energy they're in an interlocal cooperative purchase program participation agreement with 219 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,080 lower Colorado River Authority for the purchase of high voltage circuit breakers and then 220 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:37,480 not to exceed amount of 2.5 million questions yes I have a question you only mentioned the 221 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:45,640 138 KW there's also 345 KW could you explain the difference and why sure yes this contract 222 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:52,040 alone will include both of those but we have a few stations that are energized at different 223 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:57,720 voltage levels most of them in our system are 138 KV so the contract is mostly for those 224 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:02,800 circuit breakers but we can also purchase the 345 KV circuit breakers at our Denton 225 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:07,680 West substation it's actually owned by TMPA and not DME but if we happen to have a project 226 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:12,920 there then then we can purchase some this contract will also be in place for emergency 227 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:17,240 material so we'll purchase some circuit breakers ahead of time so we have them available in 228 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,360 case of emergency what are the current lead times on these products for Siemens about 229 00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:31,240 a year 50 plus weeks thank you on the back of that is this so it's related to the supply 230 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,440 chain situation we're running to with other things so that's great we're not desperate 231 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:40,640 right now so the 50 weeks that's right as you see we'd be in good shape if we got a 232 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:49,000 minute we would be okay okay we're fortunate to have a public utility in the city of Denver 233 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:59,360 okay the is most are are the purchases already completely planned and budgeted you've got 234 00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:05,960 certain upgrades and certain amount on kind of in stock or is it or is some of this unknown 235 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:10,480 and you may may or may not need to purchase yeah everything in including this contract 236 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:26,280 is is approved CIP projects thank you yes sir all right entertain a motion I think now 237 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:34,140 so moved motion second second favor please say aye aye any opposed sound the same sound 238 00:28:34,140 --> 00:28:48,100 the same passes unanimously we're on to item number C I'm gonna read this okay consider 239 00:28:48,100 --> 00:28:51,720 recommending an adoption of an ordinance of the city of didn't somebody's gonna get me 240 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:58,120 a bottle of water see you didn't make Texas Home Rule municipal corporation authorizing 241 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:03,680 the city manager to execute a contract with Mountain Cascade of Texas LLC for the construction 242 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:09,560 of the northwest water transmission main project the water utilities and capital projects engineering 243 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:15,240 departments providing for the expenditure of funds therefore and providing an effective 244 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:24,720 date RFQ seven nine six eight dash zero zero two or two Mountain Cascade of Texas LLC in 245 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:31,040 the not to exceed amount of fifteen million six hundred and fourteen thousand two hundred 246 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:38,360 and ninety one dollars and seventy cents and it wasn't originally awarded to Mountain Cascade 247 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,920 Mountain Cascade took over for it for the bonding because the company that was building 248 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:48,200 the road went bankrupt that was a separate project it's a separate project so you like 249 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:57,440 them that much huh yeah good morning everybody has whose bet is construction project manager 250 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:04,760 for capital projects the the item that we have before you is the contract recommendation 251 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:10,360 for Mountain Cascade of Texas LLC for the construction of the northwest water transmission 252 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:18,560 main improvement project the project will install water lines from an existing elevated 253 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:27,000 water tank on the southeast of the project all the way to the north west side where another 254 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:36,360 existing elevated tank is at and the route is US 77 we cross across it or underneath 255 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:45,640 of it we travel some along you loop 288 and then we finally make cross underneath the 256 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:55,940 I-35 and to the elevated tank the project scope will install 80 inch water everything 257 00:30:55,940 --> 00:31:00,720 from eight inch water line all the way to 36 inch diameter water lines the majority 258 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:09,120 being the 36 inch lines nearly two miles of that various the various casing sizes will 259 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:15,640 be used for the boring locations where we cross underneath the the highways and of course 260 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:24,600 we will the project will also install a cathodic protection system for the for the water mains 261 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:34,720 we issued a solicitation for invitation for bids there was a list of pre-qualified utility 262 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:42,440 relocation contractors that were that were sought after three bids were turned in and 263 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:50,120 out of those three bids the lowest bid was Mountain Cascade of Texas LLC Mountain Cascade 264 00:31:50,120 --> 00:32:03,160 came in at fourteen point eight million dollars with the awarding of this ordinance the city 265 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:11,360 will issue a notice a partial notice to proceed so the contractor can start ordering his material 266 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:20,720 that has a lot of lead time for the project to start in an appropriate time frame we hope 267 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:30,240 that the contractor will complete the construction in June 2024 the construction estimate including 268 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:36,240 the five percent contingency contingency will take the project to fifteen point six million 269 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:43,720 dollars and those the funding sources for that cost estimate will come from water impact 270 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:54,640 fees and the project water project funds CO's the staff recommend recommends the adoption 271 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:59,840 of the ordinance authorizing the approval of the contract between the city of Denton 272 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:04,780 and Mountain Cascade of Texas LLC for the construction of the Northwest Water Transmission 273 00:33:04,780 --> 00:33:10,520 main project the contract is not to exceed fifty million dollars six hundred and fourteen 274 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:17,640 thousand two hundred ninety one dollars and seventy cents I'll open it to any questions 275 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:23,120 that you might have Lee got one I have one question Mountain Cascade of they work with 276 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:29,920 the city before and what are the results been it is my understanding that they have and 277 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:37,820 are working with the city and on the results that they've had I will leave it up to Kyle 278 00:33:37,820 --> 00:33:42,120 I'm just curious if we've had good experience with them in the past yes they are the low 279 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:48,720 bid which is always helpful but well I'm fairly new to the city so Kyle will have the historical 280 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:54,200 information Lee that company took over for the bankrupt that's the discussion I was having 281 00:33:54,200 --> 00:34:00,600 Christine sidebar which was they took over the construction the utility construction 282 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:06,320 only Bonnie Bray when the other company would bankrupt so they came in and worked for the 283 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:12,480 bonding company correct they took over yes so it was North South Water phase three after 284 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:18,200 that project defaulted Mountain Cascade took it over we had good results with them there 285 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:25,040 and then they also delivered Hickory Creek interceptor the sewer interceptor the phase 286 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:31,720 two and had good results with them there as well well thank you I always worry about this 287 00:34:31,720 --> 00:34:38,800 because this is kind of demanding work and you know when a contractor is low and substantially 288 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:43,000 low to the height you know to the high from the range I was I'll always look at that 289 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:48,200 I guess makes me nervous we've already had good results and I just was curious so thank 290 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:52,400 you I did want to say one thing if this one actually was we did that pre-qualified and 291 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:57,920 then the IFB portion so capital projects has really focused on doing that pre-qualified 292 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:02,960 so we're not just going with low bid contracting so was this a best value bidder was it just 293 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,860 they issued they did the pre-qualified and then issued for the bidding it was it was 294 00:35:06,860 --> 00:35:11,120 a once it was pre-qualified then it was just a little better at that point correct right 295 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,400 so it was because this has a tech stock portion this falls under the pre-qualified list we 296 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:23,600 put together for the tech stock utility relocations along I-35 so with that RFQ we graded the 297 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:32,960 submissions to to limit that list to three bidders all larger utility relocation you 298 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:38,840 know companies with focus on utility relocation so we graded their qualifications prior to 299 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:46,520 this and then due to text that regulations that has to be IFB after that on that pre-qualified 300 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:56,880 list well that's next one thank you seems there's no more questions for you guys thank 301 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:08,320 you very much for your time entertain a motion second motion the second all those in favor 302 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:15,320 please say aye aye any opposed sign the same we're going to be using dog management reports 303 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:20,940 I read that whole sentence thank you that was great management we have a good morning 304 00:36:20,940 --> 00:36:26,200 we have a couple different items for the board's consideration this morning and and respective 305 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,200 staff here to answer any questions through the management report section the first item 306 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:38,880 is the electric the Den energy center August 2022 dashboard we have Cassie Ogden here chief 307 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:46,340 financial officer if there are any questions about that report questions we can move on 308 00:36:46,340 --> 00:36:52,400 okay seeing now we'll move to item two which is the water utility annual payments we have 309 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:57,720 moved these to a delegated authority where there's any payments that we are making to 310 00:36:57,720 --> 00:37:02,680 TCEQ things like that that they have authority to go ahead and issue those so this is a report 311 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:08,480 of the reports that they had made annually to those entities and we have Stephen gay 312 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:16,800 here I just want if there's any questions yeah okay we're good okay the third item 313 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:26,220 today is your future agenda items we have a couple that have been on here so it looks 314 00:37:26,220 --> 00:37:34,880 like a pub officer election Grissom lift station cost participation agreement and the FY 22 315 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,720 23 electric budget rates both of those are scheduled to come before you on the January 316 00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:44,320 9th pub meeting and the second one that's been on there for a while but it looks like 317 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,800 it will come before you all in January is the green sense incentive program update okay 318 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:55,880 and we do not have a meeting another meeting this month correct correct okay good deal 319 00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:01,960 okay and you're the last item is is any new business action items that you all would like 320 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:10,240 to have on a future agenda anyone got anything in mind race raise a little hell and Lee all 321 00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:17,040 right well I don't know if this is a future agenda item I did take a look at the report 322 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:23,880 we received from council on the lawsuit I didn't have time to read all hundred and twenty 323 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:28,840 one pages but I would be curious to know and maybe we need to do it in closed session but 324 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:35,160 I would be curious to know what that lawsuit what its impact is on the city of Denton because 325 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:41,840 it appeared to be a lawsuit against her cot and I was confused about our angle we need 326 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,880 to take that into closed session but we can we can take that back and I don't know that's 327 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:50,320 a future item or something we could do today or idea it'd need to be something we do in 328 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:55,960 the future in the future okay then I would like to add it to the future agenda okay we'll 329 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,560 get that added and we'll see which meeting in January we can get that prepared for and 330 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:09,560 go ahead and add it on the agenda as a closed session item thank you please just the only 331 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:16,720 curmudgeon over here okay so we'll move on to number four concluding items we have a 332 00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:20,280 work session here we see report hold a discussion and give staff direction on the development 333 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:28,560 of a comprehensive diversion ordinance for the city of Denton this is pub 22-195 who's 334 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:38,000 that that's you that's me and your name is Tammy causing assistant director for solid 335 00:39:38,000 --> 00:40:00,280 waste and recycling all right Tammy good morning 336 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:08,520 so do y'all know that do you remember the movie in the 1970s some of us will remember 337 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:13,480 Benji the dog you know I'm talking about it was filmed in this building when he breaks 338 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:24,900 into and starts running around okay I'm full of useless information all right well good 339 00:40:24,900 --> 00:40:31,500 morning did you watch Yellowstone the other night the guy on stage Isaac Hoskins where 340 00:40:31,500 --> 00:40:38,520 does he live did in Texas plays a dance all the time yeah he played at the governor's 341 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:50,920 inauguration ball I'll think it's okay today we're going to be talking introducing a concept 342 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:58,060 for a comprehensive diversion ordinance we'll be reviewing the comprehensive solid waste 343 00:40:58,060 --> 00:41:22,920 management strategy thank you so we'll be talking a little bit about what the ordinance 344 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:28,180 key elements are as a reminder the city of Denton is the sole provider for all trash 345 00:41:28,180 --> 00:41:33,900 services both on the residential side and the commercial sector we are an open market 346 00:41:33,900 --> 00:41:40,320 for commercial recycling of programmatic materials and we service residential for programmatic 347 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:46,620 materials programmatic materials are anything in our recycling contract cardboard plastics 348 00:41:46,620 --> 00:41:54,120 one through seven glass steel cans and aluminum cans non-programmatic materials or items like 349 00:41:54,120 --> 00:42:00,500 textiles plastic film anything that can be diverted that's not in our contract an open 350 00:42:00,500 --> 00:42:08,160 market for our commercial sector is the customers can contract with the city of Denton or they 351 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:15,200 can hire a third-party contractor currently the landfill has roughly 34 years of lifespan 352 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:21,380 left at the current rate of tonnage accepted annually showcasing how important it is to 353 00:42:21,380 --> 00:42:27,560 divert as many materials as possible and then we'll be talking about directions and next 354 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:35,380 steps our comprehensive solid waste management strategy was adopted in July of 2022 it serves 355 00:42:35,380 --> 00:42:41,260 as a guide for the city's future solid waste materials management system regarding infrastructure 356 00:42:41,260 --> 00:42:46,320 programs and policies one of the key findings from this comprehensive solid waste management 357 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:55,360 strategy was the opportunity in the multifamily and commercial sector to divert more materials 358 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,860 because we're talking about multifamily today it's important that we talk about how the 359 00:42:59,860 --> 00:43:04,580 recycling centers at the landfill in North Lakes were established to provide apartment 360 00:43:04,580 --> 00:43:11,700 residents without on-site property access to recycling a place to recycle currently 43% 361 00:43:11,700 --> 00:43:17,500 of the users of these two recycling centers are non-city or for our non-city of Denton 362 00:43:17,500 --> 00:43:23,980 residents we did ask to permanently close North Lakes at our council meeting but we 363 00:43:23,980 --> 00:43:28,260 were given direction not to so this slide we're no longer asking for directions but 364 00:43:28,260 --> 00:43:39,740 I wanted to share with you yes 43% of the users are non-city so back in July when there 365 00:43:39,740 --> 00:43:46,620 was a temporary closure we opened the landfill we advertised for people to come to the landfill 366 00:43:46,620 --> 00:43:52,440 and we were taking their address we were asking where they came from so it was a six week 367 00:43:52,440 --> 00:44:00,480 period that we took that data from thank you and this is the fun part we start getting 368 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:05,260 into the metrics that helped us decide on bringing this proposal for a comprehensive 369 00:44:05,260 --> 00:44:11,620 diversion ordinance last year solid waste and recycling hauled 93,013 tons of commercial 370 00:44:11,620 --> 00:44:22,300 trash and recycling of that 90,565 was trash 2,448 tons was recycling giving us a 3% diversion 371 00:44:22,300 --> 00:44:31,540 rate the city of Denton has 2,835 commercial trash customers of that 484 of those customers 372 00:44:31,540 --> 00:44:39,940 recycle with the city of Denton giving us a 17% participation rate the caveat here is 373 00:44:39,940 --> 00:44:45,540 that the above data only captures city of Denton customers it doesn't capture our open 374 00:44:45,540 --> 00:44:52,140 market with the third party what this data is telling us is that we have an opportunity 375 00:44:52,140 --> 00:44:59,060 to increase diversion rate and also increase the participation rate one by having all commercial 376 00:44:59,060 --> 00:45:05,380 entities recycle and also capturing data from the third party recyclers as well as those 377 00:45:05,380 --> 00:45:10,980 commercial entities that are that have in-house diversion efforts like the Peterbilts and 378 00:45:10,980 --> 00:45:18,740 the Tetrapex who are diverting materials that aren't in our program Burns and McDonald 379 00:45:18,740 --> 00:45:24,220 our contractor for comprehensive solid waste me yes quick question you mentioned about 380 00:45:24,220 --> 00:45:31,580 getting data from third parties how would we go about obtaining that information so 381 00:45:31,580 --> 00:45:36,260 part of the ordinance will be requiring on a quarterly basis for them to send us their 382 00:45:36,260 --> 00:45:43,340 quarterly tonnages so we'll be tracking it that way well that's interesting I have to 383 00:45:43,340 --> 00:45:49,900 ponder that thank you the recycling portion which is a very small amount there obviously 384 00:45:49,900 --> 00:45:56,180 what is that generally what are those recycled products what is it we're receiving cardboard 385 00:45:56,180 --> 00:46:03,820 paper glass yes so our program is cardboard plastics one through seven steel cans aluminum 386 00:46:03,820 --> 00:46:07,900 cans glass and if you're not going to get to this I'm going to ask it right now and 387 00:46:07,900 --> 00:46:12,540 you if you are then we can stop and move on but your recycled products that you're taking 388 00:46:12,540 --> 00:46:18,580 for paving products are you not taking paving products anymore no we're not okay so I want 389 00:46:18,580 --> 00:46:27,020 to point out the city of did not allow recycled products in their asphalt or concrete but 390 00:46:27,020 --> 00:46:35,740 if their goal is to go into having to quit putting what we're putting in the in the landfill 391 00:46:35,740 --> 00:46:43,460 it's a it's a bad move places up north they recycle 30 to 40 percent asphalt in their 392 00:46:43,460 --> 00:46:47,620 in their asphalt part of the comprehensive solid waste management strategy is to be able 393 00:46:47,620 --> 00:46:52,960 to identify those other recycling streams today we're just talking about programmatic 394 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:57,980 materials and then getting the data from this getting that out there's not even your department 395 00:46:57,980 --> 00:47:04,940 that's engineering in design is what I'm concerned with and I think that people just they don't 396 00:47:04,940 --> 00:47:09,860 they don't recycle as faults because they don't understand how to do it and that's the 397 00:47:09,860 --> 00:47:18,500 only move so I agree yes anyway I know on the top of the recycle bin it has what can 398 00:47:18,500 --> 00:47:24,540 be recycled that wears off and I get a lot of I get a significant number of questions 399 00:47:24,540 --> 00:47:32,460 of what can you recycle and we could do a really better job perhaps in putting out there 400 00:47:32,460 --> 00:47:39,380 for people to know what exactly can be recycled and what cannot like I understand a pizza 401 00:47:39,380 --> 00:47:46,860 box you can't recycle a pizza box because it's had food in it but maybe we might do 402 00:47:46,860 --> 00:47:53,380 a little education and where do I send people to say oh there's a list here for you to get 403 00:47:53,380 --> 00:47:57,980 so that you'll know what you can recycle yeah so we do have the waste wizard online so you 404 00:47:57,980 --> 00:48:03,140 can go online go to our waste wizard and type in whatever item is that you're curious about 405 00:48:03,140 --> 00:48:08,180 if we can recycle and it'll tell you if we can in our our current program or if we can't 406 00:48:08,180 --> 00:48:13,740 or it also gives up options of where you can take it I believe and we are as we're doing 407 00:48:13,740 --> 00:48:19,620 field audits the team both in public outreach and our team in solid waste whenever they 408 00:48:19,620 --> 00:48:25,300 go to a container if the sticker is outdated and you can't see it they are replacing them 409 00:48:25,300 --> 00:48:32,140 as they come up to those containers so they've run into some very outdated and old stickers 410 00:48:32,140 --> 00:48:37,980 and we're replacing them with clearer messages thank you get information in the city of didn't 411 00:48:37,980 --> 00:48:43,940 newsletter that goes out once a month but you stick that kind of information in that newsletter 412 00:48:43,940 --> 00:48:48,580 periodically not every time but yeah I think we do it at when we do rate changes and we're 413 00:48:48,580 --> 00:48:54,120 trying to do it quarterly or whenever there's a an opportunity so quarterly if we were doing 414 00:48:54,120 --> 00:49:03,140 it quarterly yeah if people read their mail like they should be okay so during this waste 415 00:49:03,140 --> 00:49:08,780 characterization study that burns a McDonald did it was a small snapshot in time it was 416 00:49:08,780 --> 00:49:13,340 done over two days with three multifamily customers and eight commercial customers and 417 00:49:13,340 --> 00:49:18,380 it told a very significant story there was also a larger waste characterization study 418 00:49:18,380 --> 00:49:24,100 done for all of North Texas which validated that small snapshot in time for us and what 419 00:49:24,100 --> 00:49:29,860 it did is it analyzed what the trash was so it didn't come they took what was encompassed 420 00:49:29,860 --> 00:49:33,900 in there and kind of divided up into different categories and what the data showed us from 421 00:49:33,900 --> 00:49:40,340 that small snapshot was that 42 percent of the multifamily trash was made up of programmatic 422 00:49:40,340 --> 00:49:46,540 recycled materials and in the the trash for commercial for that sample is 55 percent was 423 00:49:46,540 --> 00:49:53,260 programmatic material so find that please programmatic material it's glass cardboard 424 00:49:53,260 --> 00:50:00,460 plastics one through seven stuff I just said right okay so what this what this opportunity 425 00:50:00,460 --> 00:50:06,740 is telling us is of the previous slides 90,000 tons of trash 42 to 55 percent of it is made 426 00:50:06,740 --> 00:50:10,900 up of programmatic recyclable material that could have been diverted but unfortunately 427 00:50:10,900 --> 00:50:19,900 it was sent to the landfill that's education well if you don't mind me asking what are 428 00:50:19,900 --> 00:50:25,820 plastics one through seven so that that's one of the the tricky things it's important 429 00:50:25,820 --> 00:50:30,900 to look at what you're throwing away and it if you see the recycling symbol it'll tell 430 00:50:30,900 --> 00:50:39,060 a number in there so plastic jugs melt cartons those type of items basically every hard plastic 431 00:50:39,060 --> 00:50:51,840 except styrofoam and films film so feel like wrap oh okay container hard plastic container 432 00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:58,020 does not have a recycle local it's still recyclable it's it's a number seven at that point with 433 00:50:58,020 --> 00:51:04,940 Starfield is dead right well my apologies for the interruption I'm saying maybe they 434 00:51:04,940 --> 00:51:09,900 don't want to maybe they don't want the unlabeled sevens but but basically almost all hard plastics 435 00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:15,260 are if you if you look at the stickers that are newer it'll show you pictures of what 436 00:51:15,260 --> 00:51:18,940 we take in there and it's a little easier if you can see it on the picture versus just 437 00:51:18,940 --> 00:51:25,580 one through seven but it's a jug or some sort of container that holds something okay thank 438 00:51:25,580 --> 00:51:32,860 you interesting another metric we like to track is recycling contamination this allows for 439 00:51:32,860 --> 00:51:38,420 our recycling stream to be of its highest quality so we can maximize the opportunities 440 00:51:38,420 --> 00:51:44,100 there you can see I think Brian's told us over and over again if it's a little bit contaminated 441 00:51:44,100 --> 00:51:51,180 it's all contaminated right you just don't even mess with it at that point you know so 442 00:51:51,180 --> 00:51:57,280 with the gray line here you can see that our fiscal year 22 23 we set an annual goal goal 443 00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:04,180 for contamination to be 41% with the blue line you can see that for fiscal year 21 22 444 00:52:04,180 --> 00:52:11,580 we had had an annual average of 41% which was 14% below last year you can see with the 445 00:52:11,580 --> 00:52:17,680 orange dot and the red arrow that our October commercial contamination rate was 43% I want 446 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:23,420 to point out that our annual goal was set this year during budget season so we were 447 00:52:23,420 --> 00:52:28,900 averaging 43% and if you can see April May and June we were significantly higher than 448 00:52:28,900 --> 00:52:33,300 that we weren't quite sure where we were going to end up for the year we had implemented 449 00:52:33,300 --> 00:52:39,460 a pilot program with our multifamily and commercial containers where we implemented shoot lids 450 00:52:39,460 --> 00:52:44,620 and locking devices which significantly lowered our contamination we weren't sure when we 451 00:52:44,620 --> 00:52:49,020 were going to be able to clear the lids so we weren't sure how that was going to affect 452 00:52:49,020 --> 00:52:54,660 our annual goal we are slated right now for February to install half of our containers 453 00:52:54,660 --> 00:52:59,340 with those shoot lids and locking devices and then hopefully the remainder by summer 454 00:52:59,340 --> 00:53:07,980 time so now that excuse me but I would imply that if you're wanting to lock those commercial 455 00:53:07,980 --> 00:53:13,060 containers that they're getting stuff from outside the commercial enterprise is that 456 00:53:13,060 --> 00:53:18,940 the implication illegal dumping mostly so when they're they're not locked people drive 457 00:53:18,940 --> 00:53:24,100 by and there they see a container and they just throw trash in there or donation type 458 00:53:24,100 --> 00:53:29,780 items so with the locking bar and the shoot lid it restricts the amount the different 459 00:53:29,780 --> 00:53:38,060 types of non-programmatic material one of the things we've got to remember is when 460 00:53:38,060 --> 00:53:42,460 we're talking about the shoot lids and the locks most of that applies to our multifamily 461 00:53:42,460 --> 00:53:47,660 which is also considered a commercial entity pursuant to our collection device so from 462 00:53:47,660 --> 00:53:54,980 a regular commercial you know entity out back of the of the warehouse we don't see much 463 00:53:54,980 --> 00:54:00,540 contamination that they do a fairly decent job of keeping it clean but your apartments 464 00:54:00,540 --> 00:54:04,380 basically any port in a storm if I have to take 20 steps to the garbage but it's five 465 00:54:04,380 --> 00:54:09,860 steps to the recycle container where does it go so by putting the restrictor lids and 466 00:54:09,860 --> 00:54:14,140 the locking devices on there it forces the person take those few extra steps to put the 467 00:54:14,140 --> 00:54:19,180 garbage where it has to go okay well that makes more sense from the comment I was concerned 468 00:54:19,180 --> 00:54:25,900 that we had lots of people dumping in behind the warehouse containers and we do but we 469 00:54:25,900 --> 00:54:29,700 we do but but again it's the illegal dumping in and around the garbage containers that 470 00:54:29,700 --> 00:54:39,860 we see in the in the truly commercial entities okay thank you very much for clarification 471 00:54:39,860 --> 00:54:45,240 so the key elements of the proposal today is requiring all commercial entities to implement 472 00:54:45,240 --> 00:54:50,900 a diversion recycling plan program requirements from the customers will be to submit on an 473 00:54:50,900 --> 00:54:56,220 annual basis a diversion plan we hope to have this online so that it's just a quick form 474 00:54:56,220 --> 00:55:01,180 for them to be filling out the choices of diversion of programmatic materials will be 475 00:55:01,180 --> 00:55:06,560 to contract with the city of Denton or a third party the choices for non-programmatic materials 476 00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:12,280 will be to contract with a third party or to perform in-house requirements from a third 477 00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:16,820 party diversion vendor or in-house programs will be one to obtain a permit with the city 478 00:55:16,820 --> 00:55:24,020 which we already have implemented we do plan on extending that to donation bins so we can 479 00:55:24,020 --> 00:55:29,860 help track get a contact for a local contact and help keep those areas clean as well as 480 00:55:29,860 --> 00:55:34,860 track get the data from the tonnage of what's being diverted and then send quarterly diversion 481 00:55:34,860 --> 00:55:43,780 tonnages to the city we have the development timeline will be 18 months we plan to have 482 00:55:43,780 --> 00:55:50,460 a draft ordinance completed in January with full implementation completed by June of 2024 483 00:55:50,460 --> 00:55:58,100 along with extensive public outreach and education throughout the 18 months and beyond our next 484 00:55:58,100 --> 00:56:03,740 steps for today are to get discussion and feedback from you all and receive direction 485 00:56:03,740 --> 00:56:07,980 to create the comprehensive diversion ordinance where we have all commercial and multifamily 486 00:56:07,980 --> 00:56:13,340 units required to have a diversion plan the permitting and reporting requirements from 487 00:56:13,340 --> 00:56:19,660 all third-party providers and the implementation schedule we don't need support of the closure 488 00:56:19,660 --> 00:56:29,580 since we've gotten that direction already questions and I think mine you might have 489 00:56:29,580 --> 00:56:36,620 answered this for me just so I'm clear on problematic materials like glass and plastic 490 00:56:36,620 --> 00:56:42,860 even if it's got a label on it we don't it can go in and recycle yes the label is fine 491 00:56:42,860 --> 00:56:49,420 they can take that off during the process I mean where we can we should yeah what what 492 00:56:49,420 --> 00:56:53,660 what they want is they don't want if you have like a can of dog food if it's half full of 493 00:56:53,660 --> 00:56:58,060 dog food they don't want the dog food in there still so rinsing it out is important the labels 494 00:56:58,060 --> 00:57:04,460 are not that important no what about the lid the lid on the plastic bottle or the metal 495 00:57:04,460 --> 00:57:12,020 lid on the glass so they prefer the lid to be intact into it it helps push it through 496 00:57:12,020 --> 00:57:17,220 the assembly line so having that lid yeah what it does what has been found out here 497 00:57:17,220 --> 00:57:21,540 recently let's take a water bottle if you have the lid off and it goes through the compactors 498 00:57:21,540 --> 00:57:26,220 and everything basically it becomes a two-dimensional object and the sorters read it as paper so 499 00:57:26,220 --> 00:57:31,460 it goes off onto the paper line by keeping the lid off on it it creates a third dimension 500 00:57:31,460 --> 00:57:36,420 it allows it to be sorted correctly and goes into the the plastic line okay wow that's 501 00:57:36,420 --> 00:57:43,060 it's hard enough that it doesn't get crushed yeah that's unusual okay I have a question 502 00:57:43,060 --> 00:57:48,260 and maybe council would be better person to answer it what authority does the city have 503 00:57:48,260 --> 00:57:55,460 to require third parties to permit and report which is one of the things that the ordinance 504 00:57:55,460 --> 00:58:04,980 appears to be asking for under the Texas health and safety code which I believe is item subsection 505 00:58:04,980 --> 00:58:12,060 361 362 363 the City Council does have the authority to find what its solid waste program 506 00:58:12,060 --> 00:58:19,900 is as well as any permitting or franchising of outside vendors so as part of that it's 507 00:58:19,900 --> 00:58:24,900 implied and I think it's been held up in court that if reports are required back then we 508 00:58:24,900 --> 00:58:31,800 will then that that upholds so we have that authority okay I was not aware of that part 509 00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:46,460 of the code any comment I completely understand the purpose of that please don't I'm just 510 00:58:46,460 --> 00:58:54,500 curious about the legal authority to require the reporting and permitting yeah so in addition 511 00:58:54,500 --> 00:59:00,420 to Brian statute we are a home rule city and as a home rule city unless there is a specific 512 00:59:00,420 --> 00:59:07,260 removal of a power via a statute or a legislative action we generally have the ability to regulate 513 00:59:07,260 --> 00:59:12,300 within that space because we are a home rule city so this would also come from our ability 514 00:59:12,300 --> 00:59:17,940 as a home rule city to regulate our kind of activities within our city limits well thank 515 00:59:17,940 --> 00:59:30,960 you both appreciate it yeah so I think the plan I think it needs more detail for of course 516 00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:36,860 for us to recommend it but I think this this idea of increasing commercial recycling you 517 00:59:36,860 --> 00:59:43,260 know it's been talked about for 20 years yeah and if we can get a an implementable plan 518 00:59:43,260 --> 00:59:50,820 to encourage it if you get half of that diversion get an extra 20,000 tons of year a year recycled 519 00:59:50,820 --> 00:59:55,180 versus landfill that's a that's a lot of landfill space that's a lot of value that you know 520 00:59:55,180 --> 01:00:00,820 some recycling basically cost money to recycle cardboard and plastic cardboard and paper 521 01:00:00,820 --> 01:00:05,900 are pretty high value and actually have a commodity value make that make them beneficial 522 01:00:05,900 --> 01:00:10,580 to recycle and lots of businesses they're throwing away packing and they're throwing 523 01:00:10,580 --> 01:00:15,340 away paper if it's gotten off if it is an office or it has an office in it they have 524 01:00:15,340 --> 01:00:21,320 a ton of paper and cardboard recycling so I think that's those are obvious high value 525 01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:25,460 instead of putting a valuable commodity in the landfill you know we should we should 526 01:00:25,460 --> 01:00:32,180 be able to have a lot of diversion from these programs I think the key is decreasing the 527 01:00:32,180 --> 01:00:36,620 friction I think there are a few a handful of really key items one of them is is decreasing 528 01:00:36,620 --> 01:00:44,620 the friction to recycle very few people are opposed to recycling they just it's it's 529 01:00:44,620 --> 01:00:48,340 the easier choice it's five steps versus 20 it's I don't have like this building was 530 01:00:48,340 --> 01:00:56,120 built in 1962 and there's room for one dumpster that or or other things that increase the 531 01:00:56,120 --> 01:01:05,220 friction to to recycle so I think the key in actually achieving these goals will be 532 01:01:05,220 --> 01:01:12,820 innovation and implementation that you know cities some cities in urban areas have created 533 01:01:12,820 --> 01:01:17,440 have started using really small rolling dumpsters and they're kind of like a trash bin but they're 534 01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:22,580 like six feet long and the business rolls them back into the little storage area or 535 01:01:22,580 --> 01:01:27,340 the alley and then they roll them out on trash day and put them on the curb and you know 536 01:01:27,340 --> 01:01:32,060 something like that where you don't have you make room for dumpsters where dumpsters no 537 01:01:32,060 --> 01:01:36,300 trash truck could fit down that alley there's no place to you can't put a dumpster in front 538 01:01:36,300 --> 01:01:44,100 of your prime parking you know on the square but things like large bins rolling dumpsters 539 01:01:44,100 --> 01:01:49,640 much smaller dumpsters at side load the city of Denton eliminated side load dumpsters for 540 01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:55,260 fleet maintenance goals side load dumpsters the truck doesn't have to pull straight in 541 01:01:55,260 --> 01:02:00,720 they can pull up to the side so that means you can have a lot more parking configurations 542 01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:06,700 where you can have a dumpster just off the drive area but it does increase fleet maintenance 543 01:02:06,700 --> 01:02:11,100 because you have to have two types of trucks and you have to and those smaller dumpsters 544 01:02:11,100 --> 01:02:18,860 carry less stuff so you have to make more pickups there are another implement obvious 545 01:02:18,860 --> 01:02:25,100 implementation thing is education Denton has a more transient population than a lot of 546 01:02:25,100 --> 01:02:29,100 cities we have a lot of college students moving in a lot of professionals moving in a lot 547 01:02:29,100 --> 01:02:37,020 of college students ex-college students moving out you know so back with their parents yeah 548 01:02:37,020 --> 01:02:42,900 so I got one right now and so this education isn't like oh we educated that house three 549 01:02:42,900 --> 01:02:50,100 years ago five years ago it's what is it 60 percent of all units in in Denton are rentals 550 01:02:50,100 --> 01:02:58,340 and so 10 or 20 percent of those a year are new to Denton and so it's one thing to have 551 01:02:58,340 --> 01:03:07,540 a letter a year to a rate payer about what what's recyclable but that's that's half 552 01:03:07,540 --> 01:03:10,940 of those three-quarters of those are probably going to be recycled before they're opened 553 01:03:10,940 --> 01:03:18,980 you know so the more opportunity for education on you know what's programmatic in Denton 554 01:03:18,980 --> 01:03:26,260 the better I I think the the diversion plan like we're requiring all customers to have 555 01:03:26,260 --> 01:03:32,940 a diversion plan that's interesting I I do worry about the very small businesses or the 556 01:03:32,940 --> 01:03:36,740 very small like we barely have a dumpster we're on the once a week pick up and it's 557 01:03:36,740 --> 01:03:43,780 a quarter full and I don't know if you're going to have boiler and now this is an opera 558 01:03:43,780 --> 01:03:50,140 like this is an opportunity for bureaucratic pain and angering a customer or an opportunity 559 01:03:50,140 --> 01:03:57,940 for education where you almost have a well here's your very small business pre-made diversion 560 01:03:57,940 --> 01:04:01,660 plan and let's go through it real quick and show you here's some you know all you have 561 01:04:01,660 --> 01:04:05,860 to do is agree to this plan and and here's how what you can divert right it's an opportunity 562 01:04:05,860 --> 01:04:11,740 to teach people to divert and it's as opposed to here's a you must file a 20 page plan that 563 01:04:11,740 --> 01:04:18,220 covers these you know 17 points and you must have annual metrics and you know for a one 564 01:04:18,220 --> 01:04:22,580 or two person business that's not viable yeah so if they're if they're using the city of 565 01:04:22,580 --> 01:04:26,260 Denton they won't need to report how much time is there because we'll have all that 566 01:04:26,260 --> 01:04:32,740 data for the the smaller businesses if they only need a cart we can easily give them a 567 01:04:32,740 --> 01:04:38,620 cart and put them on so you said give them a cart well sign them up for cart services 568 01:04:38,620 --> 01:04:44,980 what is the charge for a cart most of our at my office most of our our paper is recycled 569 01:04:44,980 --> 01:04:49,180 through the shredder anyway so it doesn't really make any difference and they they probably 570 01:04:49,180 --> 01:04:55,580 sell that and make a good living off of the shredded paper today yeah okay but curious 571 01:04:55,580 --> 01:05:04,620 what is it $33 a month give me six well and to that end if you have like iron mountain 572 01:05:04,620 --> 01:05:08,980 come in and shred your paper that is your third party recycler right so again all it 573 01:05:08,980 --> 01:05:12,900 is is getting the number back to us you know a lot of this you talk about pain points and 574 01:05:12,900 --> 01:05:16,540 pressure points we recognize there's gonna be de minimis amounts and again that'll be 575 01:05:16,540 --> 01:05:20,900 a checkbox so we can go out and audit and work with those communities probably half 576 01:05:20,900 --> 01:05:25,300 of the customers out there already have some sort of diversion plan going in place whether 577 01:05:25,300 --> 01:05:30,820 it be cardboard or plastic like tetra like right now Peterbilt is essentially a zero 578 01:05:30,820 --> 01:05:35,220 waste facility we do not collect garbage from them everything goes back to some other source 579 01:05:35,220 --> 01:05:40,140 we don't recognize that number so getting that data in same thing with tetra packs so 580 01:05:40,140 --> 01:05:44,460 it's data mining and really so when you when you start chopping off these people that are 581 01:05:44,460 --> 01:05:48,740 already doing it all we're looking at reporting it's a very small subset of what we're doing 582 01:05:48,740 --> 01:05:53,980 that we actually have to integrate and implement programs within and whether it be a programmatic 583 01:05:53,980 --> 01:05:58,260 material that goes to Pratt or to something else or a non-programmatic material that we 584 01:05:58,260 --> 01:06:03,860 partner with some sort of third party and create that economic incentive or that economic 585 01:06:03,860 --> 01:06:10,120 development opportunity to bring in a concrete recycler a textile recycler some you know 586 01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:14,880 some other type of facility that will manage that material then it's a win-win for the 587 01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,020 city of Denton. 588 01:06:17,020 --> 01:06:23,660 You know I think Devin's got some really good ideas and good points and kind of made me 589 01:06:23,660 --> 01:06:27,060 think a little bit but you guys always do of course this is what you do for a living 590 01:06:27,060 --> 01:06:35,900 appreciate that it's maybe something that needs to go further to the council and yeah 591 01:06:35,900 --> 01:06:41,940 maybe get them to get a subcommittee with somebody like you on it folks well I mean 592 01:06:41,940 --> 01:06:46,660 I appreciate it I really do well and you know and I'm just kind of throwing out ideas and 593 01:06:46,660 --> 01:06:55,060 the risks of how like these five bullet points how they could go astray and so I think the 594 01:06:55,060 --> 01:07:00,920 key here is that implementation and I think in the past maybe that the Solid Waste Department 595 01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:06,700 hasn't had as much support as it needed necessarily to I mean it's institutional change in Solid 596 01:07:06,700 --> 01:07:12,700 Waste it's institutional change in other city departments kind of the you know walk the 597 01:07:12,700 --> 01:07:19,980 walk in maybe city engineering things like that and and it's also willingness to of like 598 01:07:19,980 --> 01:07:26,740 boards and City Council to support these initiatives so you know I wholeheartedly support obvious 599 01:07:26,740 --> 01:07:32,480 low-hanging fruit of let's there's 40,000 tons of divertable waste that's not being 600 01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:39,260 diverted because it's just a little too hard or people don't even know or you know we've 601 01:07:39,260 --> 01:07:44,420 always done it this way you know those are the things that we could we get half that 602 01:07:44,420 --> 01:07:49,660 number overnight and yeah like you said Peterbilt Tetra Pak employers with 500 or a thousand 603 01:07:49,660 --> 01:07:53,380 people they already have a plan all they all you have to do is like once a year they send 604 01:07:53,380 --> 01:07:58,740 you their spreadsheet you know so we had recycling in Denton for 20 years remember when they 605 01:07:58,740 --> 01:08:04,460 started in the schools with the children I mean what about a Denton ISD what's your name 606 01:08:04,460 --> 01:08:09,940 that was the dinosaur and you start with the kids and the kids start bugging their parents 607 01:08:09,940 --> 01:08:29,020 about it yeah Serena Serena Serena anyway she was the she called herself the trash lady 608 01:08:29,020 --> 01:08:33,940 she was kids could be full of personality but go to the elementary schools and start 609 01:08:33,940 --> 01:08:40,740 trying to well and we've recently redone or retooled our sustainable schools program 610 01:08:40,740 --> 01:08:46,180 only because you know as you stated our program our city of Denton program is 20 years old 611 01:08:46,180 --> 01:08:50,780 yeah our program our sustainable school is 20 years old and because of innovation and 612 01:08:50,780 --> 01:08:55,540 just the market and everything else we've had to upgrade it and as a result we're getting 613 01:08:55,540 --> 01:09:01,100 much cleaner material from schools I was on the PUB when we passed that and when we sold 614 01:09:01,100 --> 01:09:05,540 that to people people were just pissed off about it and you know now it's just a part 615 01:09:05,540 --> 01:09:09,900 of our lives right I mean we recycle and we well yeah and what's interesting last week 616 01:09:09,900 --> 01:09:18,500 I spent four days in San Diego at WasteCon which is basically all the solid waste professionals 617 01:09:18,500 --> 01:09:24,300 of all municipalities in North America getting together talking trash a bunch of garbage what's 618 01:09:24,300 --> 01:09:28,060 interesting you get 1,200 people in the same room and somebody says recycling and then 619 01:09:28,060 --> 01:09:32,460 the arguments start because again from a programmatic standpoint our program doesn't take glass 620 01:09:32,460 --> 01:09:37,340 it's not recyclable we don't take plastic so again that's why you know we're here at 621 01:09:37,340 --> 01:09:41,020 the city of Denton we're really working hard to change the vernacular we talk about recycling 622 01:09:41,020 --> 01:09:45,940 but we talk about the programmatic piece of it programmatic recycling so you know it's 623 01:09:45,940 --> 01:09:49,940 within our program and then we talk about third-party recycling to create this diversionary 624 01:09:49,940 --> 01:09:54,420 number so you know it's it's it's continual so well you guys you guys keep doing better 625 01:09:54,420 --> 01:09:58,660 I'm just almost I'm gonna go back to old school again 20 years ago we asked what's the life 626 01:09:58,660 --> 01:10:04,420 span of our landfill they said 26 years yeah that was 20 years ago now we're saying 34 627 01:10:04,420 --> 01:10:10,500 so yeah we're getting better Brian's doing good his people are doing a great job have 628 01:10:10,500 --> 01:10:15,700 a wonderful team that that helps get us that's an admirable it really is really good you 629 01:10:15,700 --> 01:10:23,800 guys are doing great work thank you anymore this chairman we supposed to take any action 630 01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:30,740 on this I think Devin could go on for hours I wasn't talking about more talk I don't think 631 01:10:30,740 --> 01:10:35,920 there's any action required for this one so they did take it forward to council already 632 01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:38,940 and received direction to go ahead and start building that comprehensive ordinance so it 633 01:10:38,940 --> 01:10:43,020 will come back to PB once they have more of the specifics and the ordinance drafted and 634 01:10:43,020 --> 01:10:49,120 then go on to council as well sounds good thank you Tammy great presentation anybody 635 01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:55,780 else I usually make the motion but I'm gonna let somebody else do it today Larry Beck and 636 01:10:55,780 --> 01:11:03,260 he moved to adjourn fourths we are done Merry Christmas