Nov 29, 2022 City Council on 2022-11-29 11:30 AM (Joint Special Called Meeting with the Denton Independent School District Board of Directors)

Alright, I'm going to go ahead and get us started, Mayor Husspeth is going to be late, so I'm going to go ahead and open up the meeting at 1138, and this is a joint session with the Dead and Independent School District Board of Directors, so I'll open up our meeting, and then I'll pass the baton over to Chairman Price. And I'm calling the meeting to order on behalf of the Denton ISD Board of Trustees, and I see that we do have a quorum, and I'll pass it back to you. Alright, so we have a couple items on our work session agenda this morning. We have Item A, ID 222397, Receive a Report, Hold Discussion, Give Staff Direction regarding an update on City of Denton Capital Projects and Development Trades. And so I'm not sure who's leading the presentation, Julie, are you leading the presentation? Unfortunately. Alright, good morning, I am Julie Wyatt, a Senior Planner with the City of Denton, and to start off today, I'll talk a little bit about some growth trends within the City of Denton and some areas that we're seeing some hot spots. You're probably familiar with all of these areas, if you live in Denton, you know we're growing, and so we'll just talk a little nitty-gritty. Alright, so just to start off with a couple of statistics, currently there are 214 projects under review with the City of Denton right now, that includes a variety of things like plaques, rezoning cases, plan developments, that we've had a total of 312 projects acted on since the beginning of the year. As part of that, we've had 8 rezoning cases, and that would include things like multi-family as well as single-family, and we've approved 15 final plaques for residential developments. Those total about 2600 lots or dwelling units within the City of Denton. So that's just what has been approved in final plaques for this year, so there will be a lot of new souls coming to the City of Denton. Also about 1300 permits for either single-family, duplex or townhome lots. So those are what we're doing as far as current planning. As far as area planning and thinking ahead for our city, we also have three area plans that we're beginning. One is in the northeast side of town, and when I say northeast, that is generally along FM 428, just outside of the loop, that area, that quadrant of the city, we are seeing a lot of development pressure in that area, and so we're going to take a deeper dive in terms of infrastructure assessments, a vision for that area, and then how we want to see that develop. We're also looking at Southeast Denton. That is one of our historic parts of our city, and when I talk about Southeast Denton, we're looking at east of Bell, south of McKinney, and then west of Woodrow, kind of that area within the city, we're going to take an area plan for that portion, and that will include things like a vision for that area, how we want to see it grow, what areas we want to keep and maintain and preserve, and then an infrastructure assessment. So we're going to be looking at all of those elements associated with Southeast Denton. And then finally, our newest area planning effort is our downtown area. We've had a lot of redevelopment in our downtown, and we need to update our vision for our downtown to see how we want that to look in 20 or 30 years. So a lot of current planning efforts, as well as area planning efforts. Just briefly, from 2019 to 2021, we did see still a lot of high growth within the city of Denton, but it was pretty even, right? 2019 is the bar on the green, or the first green bar, and then 2020 and 2021, and 2022, we've seen a lot of additional growth within the city. So it was pretty steady, and then it went way up this year. And now we want to look at some hot spots. So we kind of grouped the city in a couple of different areas, just to give you an example of those broader clusters of development. So the area outlined in yellow, that area one hot spot, that's that North Loop 288 FM 428. We're seeing under development now about 2,700 dwellings that will be either in platting or under development. And so that is going to really grow within the upcoming years, which is really one of the reasons for that area planning effort. Hot spot number two is the Bonnie Bray Corridor with the opening of Denton High School, you're probably familiar with that, with all of the growth along that Bonnie Bray Corridor, we've got a tremendous number of residential projects, both multifamily and single family coming in. We're seeing about 850 dwelling units that will be coming in in that area very soon. Eagle Creek is the third hot spot, that's next to Denia, and we've got one development that is really large, it's 710 single family dwellings. So that's another hot spot we're seeing within the city. Number four is East McKinney Street, about 750 dwellings will be coming online in that area pretty soon. And then finally, the East Loop 288 Mayhill, that's number five, we've had a lot of multifamily projects approved in that general area, so that will also impact roads and other facilities within the East or within the Mayhill and Loop 288 area. We have a mud policy that was recently adopted, I think it was in October, we had an update on mud policy, no, I am not a mud expert, but high level, these are special districts, they're outside of the city, and they are independent and used to finance infrastructure like water, sewer, drainage, those sorts of projects. We've had quite a few come in or approach the city, and they will result in a tremendous number of residential units in the upcoming years. The Denton ISD boundary is approximately where that red hatch line is. So we don't anticipate that these muds right now are going to impact Denton ISD's attendance, because they're outside of your attendance boundary, but what they will do is impact infrastructure in those areas, things like roads, water, sewer. So it's important to just keep that in mind, that we are growing outside of our city in addition to growing inside of our city. And then finally, the two big projects that I'm sure you are aware of are Hunter Ranch and Coal Ranch. So first Hunter Ranch, both of these are now getting started, so they're getting moving, I know we've talked about them for several years, but we're seeing movement for these projects. Hunter Ranch phase one is going to include 778 single family lots, and our overall concept does include three school sites. So we'll want to keep that in mind as these progress. The school locations are subject to change, and we want to make sure that we're coordinated with the developer and Denton ISD to make sure we get you what you need and get those appropriate school sites. And then Coal Ranch, 720 acres, 613 residential lots, and one more school site. Their concept plan includes four school sites, and once again, we want to continue to coordinate with Denton ISD to make sure we get appropriate school sites that have the adequate access and that meet your needs and that can meet the needs of the development. So really that's what we're looking at in terms of development within the city. It continues to grow, and we're making efforts to plan ahead so that we can manage this growth, and if you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer them. All right, so I'm going to, thank you Julie, I'm going to pass back to Chair Price for the board to ask any questions. Are there any questions? Just real quick, one of the things on the map there that talked about the muds out in the western portions of the city, in Ponder ISD and Denton ISD were shared. We did get into a land swap agreement with Ponder ISD, so all of Hunter Ranch and Coal Ranch is in Denton ISD, so those lines may or may not match up exactly, but just know that all of Hunter and all of Coal is in our jurisdiction, and we worked with Ponder ISD on that land swap 24, 36 months ago probably, knowing that was coming down the road. Also as a result of that, we have been in constant contact with Stratford and Hillwood on both of those things, have our land banked and are very amicable to moving school sites as necessary to make everything work together, and on the southern section of the city, we still have a school site off of Crawford Road in Country Lakes that we have not exercised yet, so I want everyone to kind of think about the Country Lakes school site will be the elementary school that would serve the early developments of Hunter and Coal. I know that Coal is going to develop from the north and Hunter is going to develop from the south, but that would probably be the elementary school that would service that until we get to a point of being able to fulfill an elementary school themselves. All of that area is zoned for the new Denton High School, and currently all of that area is zoned for Calhoun Middle School as far as capacity goes. So we feel like today we're in pretty good shape planning lives for that moving forward, and Dr. Nevin will go over some of our land acquisition things a little bit later, but it's a constant communication with the city. We meet, I think, monthly with the development group, with our team, when developers come in. As a council, you guys just need to know that our staff at the school district, the development group is really working hard with our team to help us with all that, to make sure we're at the table. What do you guys need? How is it all working coming together? They're really doing a super job for that. That's the questions in public, too, because that shows the partnership between the city and the school district with regard to meeting our citizenry needs, and I think we will have future discussions about parks and different things that we can continue to partner on as we grow into an even more vibrant community. The star-rated destination, I used to say the secret is out. The secret's been out a while now. That's why you see all these multifamily and everything else coming online. But there's really good conversation going between both entities, and I just want to thank the city and thank you, Sarah, for opening up that group to having our folks meet and talk and discuss. They just talk about it's a standing meeting. Here's who's been in this month, here's what they're asking, how do these things work and go? So, appreciate that. Any other questions or comments? The fact that the city and the district understand the importance of collaboration and education in drawing new developments and citizens to this area is of great value, and our citizens understand that, and the more we can market that, the better off we all are, as Dr. Wilson says. So, again, in our public meetings, it's important for an awareness center, because a lot of citizens may not be aware of the work that goes on behind the scenes, because basically it's the staff that's doing all the work for us. So, it's unfortunate that our staff leaders are allowing that to occur behind the scenes. So, thank you all. Questions from council? Well, then I'll jump in and say, one thing I was not concerned about, but as we go through this development and as we have these ongoing staff conversations, the thing that I see popping up regularly is we're adding a hundred more kids, a hundred more kids, a hundred more kids to individual, particularly elementary schools, it seems like, where they really are impactful. It seems like the little schools and high schools are able to have the capacity, but I guess my question for all of us, and anyone can answer, is I know we're working well together, but do you feel like there's an opportunity for you on the school board side to tap the brakes and say, "No, come on, don't give us a hundred more kids. We can't handle it for another two years." Or are they just coming and we need to be a better partner at slowing that down to where you can catch up? Can I ask a question for clarification? Are you talking about developments that we might approve as council, like either multi-family developments? I mean, when you say the hundred kids are coming, are you saying in a multi-family development? Are you saying in a single-family residential subdivision? What are you referring to? All of you both. Okay. So what you're saying is we need to, because I think we do, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think in the past at least, we do ask, I mean when multi-family developments have come up, we've asked the school district on several occasions, "Hey, is this something that is going to hurt you, going to harm you?" And so is that communication already occurring? Are we already getting that information from you? So before we answer that context, let me put my question in the context. I'm well aware that we do that sort of thing. So my question to the board and the school board and the trustees and the staff on that side is not that we're not going through the process, not that we don't have a standard operating mechanism, but is that mechanism giving y'all the space that you need to meet those challenges and overcome those barriers in a reasonable way? So first, it's a great question. Second, it's a great problem. When people want to be here, it's a great thing that people want to be in our community and they want to be a part of what we have in Denton and our city and our community. What it creates is attendance boundary adjustments, the need for new schools, the need for planning for school sites that we're in constant work doing. We were very blessed in the city of Denton that we can have that conversation with this group, because our growth in the Eastern corridor of our district, it's not in any city's jurisdiction. We don't have any input into that at all. So what we've got accustomed to is they're coming, we have plans and processes in place to address it. It's not always the best things for our families whenever we have to go out and do attendance boundary adjustments. However, that is a problem and a good one. I don't want people to line up to leave their schools. We want them to want to stay where they are. We want your kids in any schools. We don't want you to, "Man, I can't wait to open that new school so I can get in line to take my kid over there, because this one's not meeting my needs." It's just part of growing pains in a fast growth area and a fast growth district. I think that the more we can work together to create partnerships and amenities that lend itself to a high quality of life and a good public school system and a good city to live in, then we will get to the same conclusions with the same information. We haven't run in yet to any big issues that we haven't been able to handle. It's just the way that we handle it may not be as convenient the first couple of years as people would like for it to be. I'm going to use an example I talked about earlier. Hunter and Cole is a perfect example of that. The early residents in Hunter and Cole are going to want to know why there's not a school there for them. There's eight kids out here right now. Either I have to bus everybody from one neighborhood here to a school or I've got to bus these kids into another one for a while. We've been dealing with that. Lantana's a perfect example. Cole and Hunter is two Lantanas. Lantana is half a guy in high school, is a Lantana developer. Lantana has three elementary schools, a middle school feeds into half a guy. The other half a guy, of course, is part career, part city, and then with three elementary schools, incredible. As you see the developments start to build out, that's what it looks like when it's finished. While we have this infield of the city and the different things that Ryan and Dent High and all of our schools inside the loop, per se, and then outside the loop as it grows north, those are going to continue to be challenges that we're going to have to continue to stay ahead of. We've been on a five-year bond program for new schools. At the current pace, it might stay five years. If these 100 kids here, 100 kids there, 100 kids there comes faster, it might go to three years. It comes slower, it might go to eight years. It kind of depends on how quickly the stuff, how quickly it gets here. But early, whenever you're crowded in schools, it does involve portables, it does involve attendance boundary adjustments. But you just cannot fiscally, responsibly build a school and open it with too few students. It just won't work. It doesn't work. The numbers don't work. In our community, we look at it, it's like, "Why do you have this school over here and it's got 125 kids in it?" As much as somebody might like that to happen. That's a long answer to your question, right? The thing I would say is, when it gets to be a problem, you'll know about it. Okay. That's the bottom line. I hope, Chris, that addresses your part, too. Oh, no. I sort of felt I knew that was going to be the answer because if not, we would have heard about it all. Yeah. You would have heard about it. I can tell you that part, too, is we have to look at property owners and what their rights are to do and how those things work together. How we deal with that. I mean, that's a ... These are good conversations to have. They're pressure points in our community, but people want to be there. We understand the position that you are in, and we respect that position, and we work with it. If you'll forgive me for a moment, the mayor is here, so I'd like to pass that part of the power structure back to you. I think we have a comment from Dr. Alexander. Yes. Well, I just wanted to emphasize that the problems that we're experiencing in Denton are not unlike what is happening in many other school districts and communities across Texas that are experiencing fast growth. As I visit with other school board members from other parts of the state, what makes me happy to come home to Denton is that what we're doing here in Denton is such a much better model than what is often being done in other parts of the state. The fact that this council and this board meet on a regular basis and we talk about our mutual issues really helps the long-term planning process, and I am eternally grateful for the cooperation and the work that we've been able to do together through the years. I think that has established a reputation of successful governance for both the City Council and the school board in these areas, and that helps maintain the confidence of our voters in each of our jurisdictions that we are tending to our business and doing the best we can to work these problems through. I have been immensely grateful to the voters of the City of Denton who have helped take leadership in helping us pass the bonds that were necessary to build the schools out to the east and to the south and other areas outside of the City of Denton. Our school district used to be primarily in the City of Denton. It's evolving to where we have large amounts of population outside of the city, so it's really critical that we keep all of our relationships working well together. And truly, as an example across the state, we have done a really good job of dealing with that issue effectively, and I really am grateful for that, not just grateful to the Council, but I'm really grateful to the people of Denton who have been willing to work with us as we process through what has been a very elaborate process of growth and expansion of the number of schools. And that's part of the reason that I've been so glad to be able to see the development of the new Denton High School and the improvements in our existing facilities here with inside the City of Denton. Over the last couple of years in this last bond, we've actually been able to come back into the City of Denton and with bond money really enhance the quality of our school infrastructure in the City of Denton. That takes cooperation, and it means we've all got to help each other with our various infrastructure needs, and we need the City of Denton's bonds to be successful because we need that infrastructure desperately, and we need the City of Denton's help in getting our bonds passed so we can keep that infrastructure strong around the whole community. It's a cooperative venture, and that's why the fact that we're here today in this meeting means so much to me as a longtime board member. I really appreciate what we've been able to achieve over the years. Dr. Watts. I've wondered this quite often, but the last amount of way a community assessment that came out talked about the Alice households and talked about in the City of Denton that there seems to be a disproportionate share of that along with maybe free of reduced lunches and disclosives. I don't know if it does, so the question is just when you have that population, does that present any additional challenges to the school system, and I don't even know what the income qualifications or limits are for someone to qualify for free of reduced lunches. What is that? I mean, we hear about it all the time, but I don't know if I've ever known that. I think as we create policy, how is that impacting if those are the populations that are increasing? How does that impact the school district, if any? It's a great question, and one that keeps a lot of us up at night when it comes to making sure kids learn. There's no question that our community needs more affordable housing for people to live. We know that's a huge need. We see that on the needs assessments, everything that we do. We also know that a lot of folks that access affordable housing, their children have a lot of different needs that we have to work through, which is why we can depend on some federal dollars to help us with that, from a title programming, free and reduced lunch, you know, count kinds of things. We have schools in our district that go from 11% of the kids at free and reduced lunch to over 90% in the same school system, right? Those campuses have varying needs and we differentiate everything that we do to meet those needs. So you know, that's, we are a reflection of our community. That's what we have in our schools, right? And we continue to work through that and some of the things that we're doing to address some of those things are really trying to make sure that we have smaller class sizes in some of our highly impacted campuses, the programs around those campuses that we leverage with communities and schools, United Way, other places to get resources to our families. That many of those schools are right next to city facilities. So we partner with MLK Center, we partner with DINYA, we partner with North Lakes. I mean, it's those partnerships that allow us to do more than just make sure kids learn to read and write at school. We've used the, some of the multifamily affordable housing things that have come on place in the last 24 or 36 months. We use their club houses for tutoring. We, I mean, we go on site and so we know the kids are coming. We know that we've got this need in our community. Our parents send us the best kids they have. Our staff will say that. We hear we say it all the time. They don't keep their good ones at home. The ones that need us the most are there early and stay late and we just try to meet that need and keep working it and, but it's through partnership and access of resources if that works through. We have some experience of our trustees too with working through the different housing groups and how we address that too I think makes a big difference. The hardest part for us is getting all of our entities to understand that not every school is 11% free and reduced lunch and not every school is 95% free and reduced lunch. There's that, there's that huge, there's that way around because a parent's perspective and their experiences are only theirs, right. They don't recognize that what goes on in some other places that we have to work there. To your point, I have, even before I got on the board, always checked. We do have at times a very high number of children who are classified as homeless. Two weeks ago we had 392 kids who classified as homeless in the first nine weeks of the school district and I kind of jumped into it because we had some emergencies and these are various campuses, we're on the east part of the corridor or here in the city so, and homelessness has different qualifications. You could be couchsurfing with a family member, but these were people who were in crisis that were needing shelters and we, you know, we put in contact with partnering like the county friends of the family. Do you have room at your shelter? Can we get a family up there and things of that nature. So affordable housing is still a big deal and, you know, kids learn when they have somewhere to sleep and for school those first two meals that they get at school are probably the only two meals that they'll have for the day so then there's that. Yep, it's a lot. Yeah. This and lunch is home. Ryan Elementary School, it's in my backyard. Yeah. This and lunch is home on weekends because they don't have food on the weekends. I mean it's shocking sometimes and that's in the city. You know, here's the thing, you know, we get a lot of questions about why is the school doing that? Is that the school's job to do that? What happened during COVID was the schools were the best place to do that because it was a place where everybody in the community could go, it was a place where everybody knew what would happen and during COVID that's what we did, I mean, we served 10,000 meals one week at one elementary school in the eastern corridor and people got upset that we ran out of food. Which is a bigger issue, you can't run out of food if you have that much meat, right? And so while our main focus is to make sure kids learn, they can't learn if they're hungry, they can't learn if they don't have a roof on their head or not before, so we have to figure out how we help or access resources in the community to help us with that and it's real and it's not anything that any of us aren't accustomed to seeing some, it's just that you don't really realize it in the in the light that you walk sometimes. Okay, thank you Mr. Mayor. So I want to, I think this is all great and I think they were getting at a lot of very similar issues and so I'm going to go ahead and merge my original question and then this latter discussion because looking at the high growth concentration, I think that's like slide eight if you're following along at home, that's where we're having lots of development pressure and I'm just sort of scanning and like thinking for the school board, okay well okay I see the new Denton High School, I see Jennings, I see Nettie Schultz, you know I see Evers and I see Hodge and it seems like you know and then you can do the same sorts of like sort of mapping of y'all's territory on top of these high pressure areas. Are there places where just the sheer nature of these hot spots are creating challenges that we could help the school district cover these same topics that we just got done speaking about in ways because y'all do have limited elementary and one high school in the area and you know so this area may be zoned for part Ryan and part Denton but it's mostly going to be hit up by Jennings, by Evers, by Nettie Schultz, by Hodge even just to pick on my region and so are there but the same thing is going to be true of these other hot spots. Are there places where and things that we could help get through some of these challenges and barriers just from the distribution of schools in those regions? So we're in the middle of our bond planning right now and one of the things in that bond is an elementary school on Rodney Road that we've been working with the city on for quite some time right I mean before we even acquired the property and just to kind of give you an example of the partnership with the city on that we worked with the city on our Rodney Road school site and partnered with the city for the improvements to Rodney Road and got that on the I don't know which contract it was one of the Bonnie Bray expansion contracts yes Bonnie Bray phase six on the Bonnie Bray piece so that so the same contract that could do those improvements all the way down to the end of our property and then of course it continues on by the dog park and all that all that right through there so the intention is that for that to be on board in fall of '24 right so so if everything goes like it should this May then fall of '24 we would be rolling that thing out right. The way that that came about I don't know if you've driven down University lately but our old building that was right there next to the Clayton House Hotel we were able to swap that property for this Rodney Road site and now there's three commercial retail entities going back on the tax rolls in exchange for that and so that was that was school district city partnership that made that happen to get that because we knew these developments were coming they were even coming we knew they were going to come even before they got platted and everything started happening it's like as soon as the high school goes out there just get ready right we knew that was going to happen so we like our school partnering with the parks and rec department backing up to North Lake Park is a great benefit for that campus and that school that neighborhood and we'll be able to bike and hike to school and walk to school through the park and we've been working with the parks and rec department on making that all happen body braid is going to be an issue just crossing body braid and get to that elementary school from that other side of body braid but you're not ever going to have everything in perfect quadrants that it's just going to work perfectly but that's the intention to help us with with those with those areas the in addition to that the Stark Farms is that what it's called Dr. Nevin Stark Farms and the Stark Farms up there to the north yeah Stark Farms up there to the north we own 100 acres there we've been in contact with the developer there for to make sure we keep elementary school sites inside the loop for the hodge part so that we have an elementary we can put an elementary school site there even if there's non-development there if we need to so so we've got the we've got the land in play we just have to look to this bomb planning program to be able to address that so to answer your question the city can help us by working through that bond planning piece right understanding how that all works together getting out ahead of our hike and bike to school issues and having those conversations about we know this is coming in fall 24 this is how these neighborhoods can get there it would be great for us if we could figure out a way for university to divide attendance boundaries and not have kids having to cross university to get to Newton razor but we'll have to see what that looks like when when the time comes with all the balancing and maybe some of the kids are in Borman now if you if you could take some of the kids that are north university to a new school and some of the kids that are south university and all down the housing development we'll go to the new Newton razor that frees up space at Borman for all that new development out south right so you just have to see how it all all plays and comes together there's not whenever you're in film whenever you're going through infill it's not like you just go put a school somewhere and the people's built around it it populates it's going to be some substantial changes as we start working through you you hit the part that that you think about all the time okay how does that all look and we have conversations about you can probably tell from my comments this isn't the first time we thought about it we spent a lot of time talking about it trying to figure it out a lot of what ifs and everything right now is still what if but we do know we have we have capacity for another 740 elementary school kids coming on coming inside the loop of Denton as soon as so that's so when you talk about a hundred kids that's a hundred kids divide that by every developments a hundred kids divide that by 13 that's how many kids you get per grade level right on average so you got about eight you know seven or eight kids per grade level you can you can work those we work your way through that customer wants yeah I appreciate that I know my question wasn't so much about the programs because I growing up I was a recipient of those of those reduced luncheon unfortunately my breakfast consists of probably a couple cinnamon rolls which wasn't the most healthy I think the thrust of it was that you know there are challenges and to me it just further solidifies our need as policymakers at the city to ensure that we're passing policies policies that will allow all of our citizens to thrive and not just survive that's right to provide for that economic upward mobility because nobody wants to be dealing with those situations it's not a matter of it's there so I just wanted to see how our policy decisions whether we're creating more Alice households which is not really our goal because we want people to be able to provide for their families and to enjoy economic prosperity that our decisions can directly impact some challenges that you mentioned with with families who are experiencing that so I appreciate this it's a it's you bring up a great piece so I would even offer you know we don't get to hear all of the economic development job creation things that you guys get to hear but I would I would offer that the the more living wage jobs that are created by economic development in our community the better it is for our school district right the better it is for our community the better it is for our kids going through our programming to have living wage opportunities here local that's why you see such a such an emphasis for us on career technology education professional certifications in addition to higher right we not not in the absence of but in the addition in the addition to and so you know we need we need HVAC technicians we have all these we have all these all these cold storage units out in the west part of town that the that the city has approved to work through and it's you know creates all kinds of value right it also needs a good workforce so we need to have a good community college system that helps support that professional certification that then lends itself back into the school district and it can't be an isolation those things have to happen collectively together it's a it's a it's a big piece and that's that's why serenade was talking about continuing to continue having ctc at the table for how do we how we make that happen in our community and there's a limitation of the ctc too right with with their with their funding sources and how those things work but that's a that's a perfect example of ways is the jobs that people bring you know how we work today customer davis oh no pardon customer bird and customer davis you know as i'm listening and uh we're asking everything what's coming across uh in my mind and spirit is that we right now have an opportunity to kind of solidify you know what uh what kind of community are we as a whole sometimes you hear me say small town feel big amenities uh how are we presenting ourselves to the public that they want to come here and are we uh are we a middle-class community you know rightfully so whatever that means are we a luxury uh city where we're going to have these particular amenities that's going to be here for luxury uh living i think right now we are have an opportunity to kind of settle that um you know as we continue to grow hearing the superintendents telling us that we are really a a middle-class community right now because there are certain things that need to take place and you're when you're hearing about uh did i hear that we were mostly a title one community or you know and all of that has to come together in the reality of who we are so currently we want to go stay in that room currently we don't have any every elementary school we have in the city of denton is a title one campus receives federal money based upon their free and reduced lights count now we don't have any school we don't have a school in country lakes right that's part of the city of denton too you know we don't have a school out near the vintage we don't need so but every school we have every elementary school we have in the city of denton there's a title title on campus and that is certainly going to help us make that decision as to when we're continuing to grow i know that you know high end wants to come in and do high end things and we're continuously putting in multi-family to meet the needs of the new workers that are coming here how is that balancing out with us right now you know as i'm speaking how are you all feeling about that are we balancing it appropriately now or are we spending more time on the middle class area to get the multi-family in uh 40 000 a year jobs 30 000 a year jobs you know how is that working for us right now that's what i'd like to see here what are you all thinking about i think i think uh councilman davis had a question first and then i'll go out okay got it and i'll respond to that and what i say might might prompt something that you might like to say as well i just want to be really careful uh with expectations not so much for the people who are in the room who do work in this every day and especially our staff but also the the folks who are watching because we're a very engaged community people are watching at home they'll watch this uh in in the and um as policymakers y'all y'all experienced this in how my dr welson was talking about signing an elementary school it looks easy right well there's a big cow pasture put the elementary school there and that's where the kids will go there and there's a hundred other things that go into it from acquiring the land to staffing to zoning and all those different things so for us too we don't really have in my opinion we don't really have 100 person 100 household 100 kid levers we have really really big levers like the development code we have really really little levers like an individual zoning case and when you saw from the slide that we had eight cases out of hundreds almost 300 already this year of things that were that went through the process but didn't come to city council we had like eight of those so at the policy maker level we're going to see uh specific use permits for apartment buildings we're going to see um plan developments we're going to see big and we're going to see rezonings but we're not going to see uh the final plat for 710 helps the final plat will stop at so uh the very best work that i think we can do is what dr alexander alluded to which is uh and dr wilson as well uh give us the number for your road contractor help us make sure the sidewalk reaches the school help us liaise with the developers so that we can talk about the sites and the land swaps and all that kind of stuff so i i just want uh what we hear a lot on city council is similar y'all with your school siting is like sim city right why isn't there a grocery store in my neighborhood well because i don't own a grocery store i can i can set things up i can set the parameters we can have a development code that is conducive to what we'd like to see on a big scale but i can't get a grocery store right there right where you want it um so i just really want to be careful with expectations that we don't really have the ability to tap the brakes on development when we have thousands and thousands of people moving to denton landowners with the right to develop uh the really the only big impediment to what we're talking about that we have is a specific use for a mental apartment police that in every zoning you have to get approval from the city council to build multifamily other than that the city council can slam the brakes and do you know really dangerous things with our economy um but we can't really tap the brakes we can manage growth we can encourage quality growth we can set good bumpers for growth but there's nothing we can do to slow it down to some you know imaginary manageable level um and also i want to tell you how much we appreciate as a as a parent with kids in the district how much i appreciate your staff and administrators and especially your teachers because it's not just the an apartment building went in next to an elementary school and now there's a bunch of kids coming it's also honduran refugees that nobody predicted and every single teacher who brought those kids in and gave them the right to be in texas every every landowner who exercises their rights to build every kid who lives there has a right to an education in the state of texas and y'all are giving that to every single kid and we all appreciate it very much um just to go back to your question i'm gonna answer a little bit of that uh wearing about three different hats as a realtor as a school board trustee and as somebody on the board of the chamber um of course economic development um we want businesses to want to come here and do business here and then and with that they have employees that you know the first thing when they come i'm like okay well where they're going to live because it's fine to have apartment buildings but at some point they want to own a single-family home um at the same time we don't have if you notice the area median income for denton county is almost 400 000 so that 200 000 or 300 000 buyer is scrambling to find something um affordable and our teachers are included in that as far as single-family houses okay but at the same time we don't have any high-end houses for our corporate uh people that come here so then we lose those um people who have children that would go to our schools they'll go to flower mound they'll go to trophy club they're going to keller because they can accommodate that so i think um in terms of just the affordability um we need some affordable single-family housing um that would meet the needs even for our teachers and then we need high end who can meet the executives that come here and um and put their companies here or work at the hospital or the university um who you know take advantage of our airport and have their private planes fly them in and out so when we when we talk about are we a middle class um i don't think that we can really put a particular name because we should be a community that services everybody and that's what we are okay i think we're ready for capital improvements all right good afternoon everybody my name is trevor crane i'm the director of capital projects um so of course the capital projects is responsible for delivering all the construction projects within the city of vinton really nothing new i'm going to share today we're just going to go through some brief overview of everything we're working on that really directly impacts of vinton isd schools i also have my program managers here kyle pedigo and seth harcy i'll hand it over to them in a few minutes to go through some specific projects so really um the hunter coal facilities infrastructure team this is something we wanted to highlight um we are we are continuously meeting internally to to look at all these um different things future school sites water waste water utilities um dme fire station phasing a project to make sure we're staying on top of all these items that we're planning ahead and ensuring that all this infrastructure is going to be there when these when the residents start moving and uh hand it over to kyle let him start going through our bonnie bray corridor program good afternoon i'm kyle pedigo so i'm a program manager like trevor said with capital projects i'm just going to touch just do a brief overview on two of my projects in the bonnie bray corridor that uh have a direct impact around vinton high school so the first one is bonnie bray phase six um this is the expansion of bonnie bray to a four-lane divided uh roadway with pedestrian improvements and signalization of the intersections of winsor and ronnie road in us 77 it stretches from us 380 from the south us 77 in the north and we plan to have this one under construction uh by the end of quarter one next year it's approximately a two-year project this is the winsor westgate project um this is the improvement of westgate road connection of westgate through to bronco bronco way and connection of bronco way to east west westgate as well as improvements on winsor drive this is around an 8.2 million dollar project this one is in design and we're looking to have construction complete on this by quarter four of 2024 and we're also looking to install some temporary improvements between bronco way and east west westgate we're currently finishing up design on that just for a temporary roadway alleviate some of the traffic issues in that area seth garcia good afternoon everybody seth garcia program manager with capital projects one of the programming areas i oversee is our pedestrian mobility and quality of life program so just wanted to highlight a couple safer out of school projects that we're working on so currently we've got four sidewalk projects that impact four elementary schools that you can see there alexander elementary netty schultz jennings and pecan creek so we did receive just about 1.2 million dollars in text up text dot funding for this safer out to school program we're currently at about 60 percent design uh working through our environmental clearance with tech stock and we do anticipate most of these going into construction quarter three of 2023 so hopefully by the end of next year we'll have these sidewalks in place at these four elementary school sites i'll pass it to miss becky good afternoon i'm becky david i'm the city engineer for the city and my deputy city engineer was going to be here today to make this presentation and y'all wouldn't have to hear me talk but unfortunately he's not feeling well so a couple of updates number one i want to thank whoever hired brandon what year because we had a fantastic meeting with him he's excellent we love to work with him i think trevor and i got more excited to talk about construction with him than anybody we have in a really long time but he speaks the same language we know how to speak and i think it's an excellent opportunity for the school district and our team along with the planning team and i know tina and uh julie were a part of that meeting too we had a great conversation as you're looking at planning your bond program so i really appreciate brandon coming on board and appreciate his enthusiasm just a couple of engineering related projects the citywide speed study update has been completed we will be taking forward a school zone implementation portion of the citywide speed study to council this month one thing i will tell you that we've worked with with brandon is we're going to work on next year having a more seamless process of updating the school zones every year annually something that we want to do is make sure that when you start school in august and i have family members i have a sister who's a principal and a sister who's a first grade teacher i get this we want everything operational when the school starts so we want to make sure all of those school zones are implemented and put in the right locations when that time happens so we're going to start a new process brandon committed to some time frames hopefully that's okay with all of y'all but we're really excited about this implementation process and i think it's going to help all of us you have a multitude of schools that we need to make sure that those school zones are appropriate just a few other projects we've been working on coordination efforts our team also sits in the meeting with the development team so didn't high school obviously there's constant coordination colleges talked about that temporary road it's been something we're very interested in providing another way to get to the school versus just bonnie bray so looking at a temporary measure that can be constructed there we have constant conversations with hodge elementary nanny schultz jennings calhoun razor with the construction in those areas looking at access to those facilities so you know some of the things that we've learned throughout this process is as you grow and as you're building new schools we want to make sure that as i mentioned the school zones are in place but also we have the sidewalks the stop signs all the accesses is something that's thought about when you bring that project forward through the process so a lot of good work that's going on we have a really great relationship with a few of these different principals and we're working through with braided on some of those concerns when they're raised so that's really all from the engineering related update next thing i just wanted to mention you may not know this but anytime i have an opportunity to put a plug on these two items discuss denton gives you an update you can just go to discuss denton.com it provides you an update on any capital project that we have going on we'll be making some recent changes as some of the vertical construction is now going to be a part of our responsibility and then the cip map if you want to know what's going on in the next 365 days you can go to the cip map and it'll show you any work that's happening within the city of denton that's not just capital projects that also can be projects that are happening from different departments parks department electric department etc so really excited about both of those tools i try to share that message anytime i have the opportunity so that you have a resource that you can look at what's going on around the city i kid all the time but i am going to get smiley faces at some period of time depending on the orange construction codes because they do make me happy to see all the construction happening i do know that it's tough at well we're going through it but it's progress right and so we want this infrastructure to happen and with that i'm going to turn it over to dr now and let him have an opportunity to speak with you also i just want to take a few minutes to kind of update you on some of our land that we currently have in process for future schools and some of our future plans for the longer term and how it affects them so you can kind of see overall that in our looking at our map of our district of course we've been very active out in the 380 corridor and you're seeing that you can look down in reference on the next page some of this land has already been purchased and you can see from number one which is in linden hill subdivision to two three and four which is in the nailer and 380 area for future schools and finally number five which is actually six acres attached to ryan high school that goes across the mills road so those are actually areas that have been purchased recently or within the past few period of time in getting ready for builds so let's talk about for just a moment going around kind of denting with a start of you saw number five which is the mills road property and let's just go kind of counterclockwise to the north which would be uh on a chairman drive i think uh dr wilson referenced uh stark farms that's 100 acres that we currently own there that we're in the process of working with uh one of the home developers which would they would uh develop homes there as well as we would maintain an elementary school site on that property for future growth we are also looking to the north for a high school site which would be on further on further to the north somewhere up in the uh the hodge zone that you can kind of see for uh probably not the next high school but the following high school and that would be we're looking for 100 to 130 acres so we can maintain that and bank that for future potential growth moving on to the west you notice that uh we talked about coal and hunter ranch we're working with coal and hunter ranch now trying to develop the school sites we do own property in home ranch for a high school site and middle school site and working on elementaries and we're trying to adjust that to make sure it works with the subdivision so that's ongoing process but we're hoping to get that solidified soon and uh since that's kind of coming into play now with the city i think you don't see those sites finalized soon so with that we have the coal in the hunter area we talked a little bit about riding road which will be our elementary school that our goal is to start construction in may of 23 open it in fall of 24 and so we're actually uh working with the city and brandon and doing planning as we speak now trying to make sure we can make that happen for fall of 24 for growth um parts we're looking at some possible land for future expansion in the southwest i know the city of dinden has slammed out there for future expansion and we're looking at something in those areas for some possibilities along the 35 corridor we're always looking for possible parcels of land that we may want to buy as for the school district to uh to before we can future growth or tie in with city development or something of that nature so that's out there as well and finally uh kind of in the uh i guess it'd be the southwest we had the country lakes of state school property which is uh about 13 acres that we have set aside for an elementary school there so when you kind of just a quick overview that's kind of what we have going on you'll see a lot of work out in the 384 door as well as rhynely road and then you'll see more property being purchased for the future growth questions any questions you won't see this part thank you so so when we bump up against another school district like like aubrey to the north where if we're in the years to come put another high school out there how how i i know we have a good relationship with the surrounding school district so this isn't a question of confrontation but but how does that process of setting our zones when we're when we're doing that uh sort of integration how does that how does that um work in terms of where we're placing our schools not so much in terms of the relationship but in terms of land acquisition and where we're focusing so when we're purchasing land like up in north uh obviously there's a lot of open land up there now and we have what we think is going to happen but it gives us two options one is that we do have a stake in the land up there then two it also it either could go there or when other developers come in they may want to swap or trade land with us and we have done that as well and so it gives us an opportunity for when we own land is more valuable than trying to go out and just buy land from a developer that's what what we found in the future and typically how close it goes to the other school district is uh really heading into an issue kind of just depending on how we grow you know the only really confrontation we have with other districts is on friday night you know it's a it's a really good question about our neighboring districts the thing i think it's important for us to recognize is that as district leaders with our neighboring districts and i'm just going to just kind of go counterclockwise Argyle, Ponder, Crumb, Sanger, Aubrey, Prosper, Little M, Lake Dallas um you know we we work together because we share kids back and forth quality programming has to happen at all places it's not ideal for us to have our high school attendance boundaries our high schools right up against our our district boundary right i mean there's i hear it two or three times a year like when are you going to put a high school in the lantana area well if you put in the lantana area you're right up against firemen right and so you try to put it more centrally located into your school system um so that so that it makes sense for your constituents um every once in a while the deal for the property is just too good right and you have to you have to take advantage that we can and then it could go there an elementary school or a little school or something could go there our hardest issue is trying to find high school sites um because you're looking at over 120 acres of property to try to make sure you get all the traffic on and off and the extra curriculars are involved and the safety parameters that you're working through so right now the district owns um currently enough property that we could theoretically do three additional high schools without having to buy an additional piece of property um we probably need two or three more sites when this district right now we have four comprehensive high schools the lagrone academy and fred wood when we finish we'll have eight or nine high schools we currently either have or have property for receives so um and dr nevin talked about the hodge zone up there there probably will be a need for two high schools up in that region depend on how dense it gets right um what what landowners have in mind for that what that looks like that's that's out there right um the coal hunter piece we've got the high school site there we're ready to go whenever the time is right um and our current bond committee is studying high school number five companies are number five which will go in the uh the crossroads area crossroads are appointing that federal area of the district so um we're we're you know it's even a little closer than far out far out east i mean it's that those sites that you see right there that are that are red those three red ones that you see all together right there um those are those are really close to ryan high school going out 380 even probably closer are as close as um ladrone academy and ch college it's not maybe a two minutes difference don't come out come out um come out mills road 380 you're right there crossroads right you don't you don't think about it that way going all the way around the loo so time to get into there it's not about two or three minutes difference so but we have a really good relationship with our neighboring district phenomenal through the regional school for the deaf through our atc program a lot of the neighboring district students come for our training at the advanced technology center and have for years which is a great opportunity for us to plug the fire county graduation it's about to happen yes it's a great partnership and it includes some people from chrome and aubrey in that graduation chrome schools and aubrey school that are going down friday i think that's december the eighth or something that's all right yeah is that right so far counter graduation coming up the road academy december 8th and they do the mt coming up this next spring okay any other questions thank you thank you so yes i'm going to read from this item and develop you back okay yeah is this item b gary yes second okay uh i'll call that id 222398 receive report hold discussion give staff direction regarding future joint amenities and recreation programming and council member davis is recused for this item gary pack and director park recreation will get the powerpoint set up here in a second but what i want to talk about today is more of the back of the house things that are helping get to a lot of the conversations you talk about we've had a number of discussions and meetings with all levers all levels of leadership from the city manager on down to frontline staff in the city to dr wilson and his admin team found the principals coaches from all perspectives in regards to what we're trying to do to take advantage of programming opportunities facility opportunities to expand and keep up with the growth we're having the same challenge similar to what the schools are in regards to keeping our kids active in the summer with our programs our summer camps because we're running out of space so we're trying to look at ways that we can continue to enhance and evolve that so aquatics master plan we kicked off a program this earlier this fall in regards to looking at comprehensively what we needed as a city moving forward and how that impacts and can complement what the isd needs what unt needs and what twu needs as an organization so we brought all those partners together to identify what their critical needs are we're having two meetings later this this week tomorrow actually with all the partnering agencies to identify exactly what they need and what that priority looks like so we can put together a comprehensive plan to figure out how those partnerships can mesh and combine so we're hoping to bring that to park ward and city council in january southwest park master plan this is a plan that we completed and council adopted earlier this year this is a 200 acre property down off of vintage south of vintage east of 35 right next to hunter and cole ranch we do have athletic fields in there we have a building a footprint for a building that is yet to be determined so that's an opportunity for a future partnership in regards to the schools even some of our local universities and then right now we have general natural space that could change moving forward based off of community needs just some general aquatic center updates obviously with the challenges of workforce is hitting a lot of the aquatics areas throughout the country and even dfw we got ahead of that last fall thankfully thankful to city council and staff for putting that together to allow us to adjust our hourly wages so we could open our aquatic facilities that allowed us to be competitive last year in regards to having our facilities open not as much as we had pre-covid but we're growing back to that area we did add some additional disd space with water polo this year so that's continuing to impact usability space that's obviously a growing challenge as well we're putting in over four hundred thousand dollars of cmp improvements to our aquatic facilities this year thanks to our capital program that was in our budget so that is going on as we speak and i mentioned the staffing changes we've done salary adjustments for our seasonal staff some for our full-time staff we've taken some seasonal positions to part-time so we have a little bit more consistency in the organization and we brought back one position that was left vacant from covid some joint uh some of the joint amenities that we're working with with di st across the board we finalized a mac math agreement that took a few alterations back and forth so we decided to get that going we completed a board man easement and this is one of the neighborhoods that we've talked about this is the dean your park over here this is eagle creek so we got an easement on the south side of warman so we can connect that those 700 housing units over to dean your park so those be a little trail that goes through there to connect that neighborhood so they can stay within within their neighborhood to get to the park growing challenges that we're having we had as many people in our summer camps that we had on the waiting list last year which is a huge challenge we need to be growing at the same pace our residents are if we're just keeping up so we're working with the isd on possible camps at calhoun neighbors working with potentially when calhoun kind of gets its its new direction that that green space could be a neighborhood park right now that neighborhood does not have a park we would add about 3000 people to our 10-minute walk reach which is a great asset for us future community theater dance programs we can operate out of that facility evers i mentioned about summer camp cafeteria for summer meals is an option as well at both those sites old dentin high school using those facilities when they're dormant not being used by the school students whether it's our summer olympics program football softball soccer tennis sports whatever is going to be there that we could use to enhance and get more people active so we're talking about those partnerships and then even the new dentin high school on the south side of the property there's some floodplain property that could be used for trails one of our volunteers helping us build our mountain bike trails as a teacher at the school and he's looking to start a mountain bike program for the students so that could be an opportunity to get kids active as well in club sports marketing obviously with covid and our programs going dormant for a period of time and then an influx of new people to our community there's still a lot of people out there that don't know what we do so we want to relaunch a program of putting hard copies summer play guides into the hands of the elementary school parents so we're trying to get to the point where we can provide enough copies that everyone can take home just as an initial marketing component maybe it's for a few years that we do that continued outreach continue work with the school's marketing program to grow and elevate that transportation we want to try to get an agreement place to use buses through our programs instead of using bands that we may have to rent or third party benefit the disd is you're keeping your drivers active in in the system throughout the summer and then the biggest thing the most exciting thing is laguna academy we went out a couple weeks ago and took a tour that was my first time there didn't realize really the magnitude of opportunities so we have another meeting with more staff on monday of next week to really go out and start identifying key programs that we can start to develop whether it's future employees artwork welding projects that we need as an organization maintenance for our fleet team the uh not the laser cutter but the plasma cutter that can do signage for us for our park system so we're starting to line up a bunch of new programs we're excited to get the food truck maybe even have the food truck out at your next joint meeting that was fantastic we're so jealous of that they cranked it up and had the music running it was really cool they did a fantastic job so we were so excited going out there and we're looking forward to go back out next week we're taking our hr team out there to start going out and figure out when we can go out there with all of our departments promote our job opportunities whether it's seasonal summer full-time get them into the system so we don't have hiring challenges or organization so i know there's opportunities at universities as well for that so that's probably the most exciting one that i have um that it just seemed like there's so many untapped opportunities that police and fire are already utilized so that that's a snippet of some of our back of the house partnership opportunities that we're doing um there are so many so many opportunities for us to really joint uh use projects facilities programs um and we really need to do that together so any questions or comments on any of those items questions stand very excited yeah very good thank you thank you very much okay uh anything else uh on this topic before we have one close uh closed uh session item but anything that we have discussed questions etc i know jamie said but i want to say the same thing and that is so the board members fiscal district now uh it's it's a pleasure to work with jamie and his staff we um this is exactly how it should be uh that we talk to each other we uh in ways that you can't even imagine where we can support each other um and we are i mean i i've just gotten met derek wallace with ntct and there's things to work there but the efforts for us all of us you heard becky you heard gary it's there is never a day probably we're not communicating in some form or fashion with the school district and looking at partnering opportunities or joint efforts so that we're giving our taxpayers both taxpayers for school and city the best possible services that we can and i would say there's more to come no i would just say i think so it wouldn't be this coming year 23 but i think 24 maybe as a city we look at from a meeting standpoint um for for our sharing for our parents right because i think the school board on average meets every other we meet every other and i just think um there should be an opportunity for a parent to attend vote and i think versus making them kind of choose hey i gotta go here i gotta go there i see that so it's uh just kind of from a planning from a park's sharing information i think it's just important that we again that's a couple years out but wanted to put that on someone's radar so any any other questions okay great then we'll set the room for i think we move into this other room where okay the mics are hot in here so we want to make sure we're moving to a room that is not not a hot night so let me uh i'll call it and then we'll take a break to get set up over there and so the city council will now go now at 12 56 pm convene in closed meetings to deliberate the closed meeting items set forth on the agenda which includes the following item a id 222399 deliberations regarding security devices and security audits under texas government code section five five one dot zero eight nine will convene in the one room over there let's say at uh 105 and the school board will move to meeting closed session under texas education code five five one dot zero seven six and five five one dot zero eight nine thank you thank you very much thank you