1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:11,640 I would like to call the November 14th 2022 meeting of the Public Utilities Board to order. 2 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:18,560 Do we have anyone from the public that would be here to speak? 3 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:21,480 Do they phone in on this meeting? 4 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:22,480 Okay. 5 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:23,480 All right. 6 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,920 We have several items on the consent agenda. 7 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:30,120 Would anyone like to pull any for discussion? 8 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:31,460 Yes ma'am. 9 00:00:31,460 --> 00:00:32,460 Items F and H. 10 00:00:32,460 --> 00:00:33,460 F and H. Okay. 11 00:00:33,460 --> 00:00:34,460 Yes ma'am. 12 00:00:34,460 --> 00:00:35,460 Just got some questions. 13 00:00:35,460 --> 00:00:36,460 I'd also like to pull A and B briefly. 14 00:00:36,460 --> 00:00:37,460 Okay. 15 00:00:37,460 --> 00:00:38,460 We can go in alphabetical order. 16 00:00:38,460 --> 00:01:04,080 I move approval of C, D, E, I, J, K, L, M, and N. 17 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:05,080 Second. 18 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:06,080 Okay. 19 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:07,080 Any discussion? 20 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,600 All in favor say, "Aye." 21 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:10,600 Aye. 22 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:11,600 Aye. 23 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:12,600 All opposed? 24 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:13,600 Thank you. 25 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,040 Shall we just start with A? 26 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:30,080 Good morning, Madam Chair, members of the Board, Brian Burner, Solid Waste Director. 27 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,000 How may I answer questions? 28 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:33,000 Morning. 29 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:34,000 Morning. 30 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:41,160 As I said kind of briefly, so if my math is right, A and B together accounts for less 31 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:45,080 than 3% of the total coming into the landfill. 32 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,840 Actually, I think it's less than 3% of the total contracts that we'd looked at. 33 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:49,840 Contracts, yes. 34 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,680 You may remember two months ago we talked about the three big wastewater agreements 35 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:57,240 at the end we tacked on that we were working with two municipal entities. 36 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,600 These are those two entities, and we're finally bringing those forward to you. 37 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:07,240 Yeah, so I kind of just wanted to ask what's kind of like thinking long term, what's our 38 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:12,640 plan for ... You don't have to get into specifics, of course, but how big a mountain of trash 39 00:02:12,640 --> 00:02:13,640 are we making? 40 00:02:13,640 --> 00:02:14,800 How long can it last? 41 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:19,440 There's just kind of me thinking along the kind of the long term future lines there. 42 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,240 Well, that's a really good question. 43 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,120 I appreciate the opportunity to respond to that. 44 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:31,480 Ultimately, what we're hoping to do within these next two years is really identify opportunities 45 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:37,120 that we can take both programmatic and non-programmatic materials and divert those from the landfill. 46 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:42,060 By having contracts such as these in place, what it allows us to do is to leverage the 47 00:02:42,060 --> 00:02:47,920 materials being brought in by third parties that we would probably get anyway, but allows 48 00:02:47,920 --> 00:02:51,200 us to divert additionally more and extend the life of the landfill. 49 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:56,200 Currently, we have probably 40, 45 years worth of life left in the landfill. 50 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:01,440 What we'd like to be able to do is, pursuant to our Copy of the Solid Waste Management 51 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:07,680 Strategy, continue to push that out 50, 60, 70 more years, ideally, is what we're hoping 52 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:08,680 to do. 53 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:12,520 But in these first two years, working with not only our big three haulers that we've 54 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:16,440 contracted with, but with these smaller haulers to identify, first of all, where they're getting 55 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:20,240 their material from, but also what type of material they're bringing us so that we can 56 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:24,480 sit down and actually identify third parties to come in and manage that non-programmatic 57 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:31,240 material, things such as textiles, wood chips, metals, those things that you would normally 58 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,000 not put in your blue bin at the curb. 59 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,000 Yeah. 60 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,000 Great. 61 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:36,000 Okay. 62 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:37,000 That's all I had. 63 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:38,000 All right. 64 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,000 Okay. 65 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,120 Move to approve if nobody has anything else. 66 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,720 A and B. Yes, A and B. 67 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,520 Is there a second? 68 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:47,520 Can we do them together? 69 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:48,520 Do they need to be separate? 70 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:49,520 We'll actually need to deal with those individually. 71 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:50,520 Okay. 72 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:51,520 Then I move to approve A. 73 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:52,520 Okay. 74 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:53,520 I second. 75 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:54,520 Okay. 76 00:03:54,520 --> 00:04:01,720 We have a, and Mr. Jump is moved approval, and Mr. Bix seconded. 77 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:02,880 Any discussion? 78 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:04,240 All in favor say aye. 79 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:05,240 Aye. 80 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:06,240 Opposed? 81 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:07,240 Same sign. 82 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:08,240 Thank you. 83 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:12,480 Move to approve item B, if I may. 84 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,240 Okay. 85 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:18,240 All right. 86 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:19,240 Let's see. 87 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:24,600 Madam Chair, so you have a motion and a second for item B, if we can take a vote on that. 88 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:25,600 Item B also. 89 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:26,600 Okay. 90 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:27,600 All right. 91 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:28,600 Sorry about that. 92 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:29,600 All in favor say aye. 93 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:30,600 Aye. 94 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:31,600 Opposed? 95 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:32,600 Same sign. 96 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:33,600 Okay. 97 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:34,600 Thank you. 98 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:41,200 We have item G. I'm sorry, we missed that. 99 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:46,560 That one has been, we need to add that to our discussion today. 100 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:51,360 Madam Chair, it's item F. F and H. 101 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,880 I did have F. Are we adding G? 102 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:54,880 H. 103 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:59,320 G was missed when Devin said that he would approve all of them. 104 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:03,800 G was missed, so we just want to make sure that's correct. 105 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:04,800 Okay. 106 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:05,800 Okay. 107 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,480 We missed G. Does someone want to move approval of that? 108 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:16,520 Yeah, I think I might have actually said H instead of G, so can I correct them a little 109 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:17,520 motion? 110 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:18,520 Please. 111 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:19,520 What's the best way to? 112 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:23,200 You wanted to pull which item? 113 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:31,000 So I moved to approve H and all the others, and I meant to move to approve G and not H. 114 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:37,040 So which item is it that you actually want discussed? 115 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:42,440 We want G discussed, no, we want H discussed. 116 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:43,440 And G to be approved. 117 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:44,440 And G to be approved. 118 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:53,800 Okay, so you need to move approval for G, and then you need to pull item H for discussion 119 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:54,800 now and give the public a chance to move. 120 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:55,800 Okay. 121 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:56,800 Along with F. 122 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:57,800 Thank you. 123 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:03,760 So correcting, in order to correct my misspeak earlier, I would move to approve consent agenda 124 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:04,760 item G. 125 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:05,760 I second. 126 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:06,760 Discuss, excuse me. 127 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:07,760 Okay. 128 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:08,760 Can you make that in the same motion? 129 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:20,000 Okay, is there a second? 130 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:21,640 Mr. Beck seconds it. 131 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:26,080 All in favor of approving G, say aye. 132 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:27,080 Aye. 133 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:28,080 Opposed? 134 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:29,080 Same sign. 135 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:30,080 All right. 136 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,200 And Mr. Beck, would you like to pull H? 137 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:33,200 Right. 138 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:43,560 I'd like to address F and H one at a time. 139 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:44,560 Okay. 140 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,560 Is there a second? 141 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,420 Okay, Mr. Jump seconds it. 142 00:06:51,420 --> 00:06:52,420 Any discussion? 143 00:06:52,420 --> 00:06:56,420 Madam Chair, I don't think you needed to vote on that particular item. 144 00:06:56,420 --> 00:06:59,440 Item F and H has been pulled for questions. 145 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:00,440 We did. 146 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:01,440 Yes, we did. 147 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:02,440 Okay. 148 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:03,440 All right. 149 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:04,440 All in favor, say aye. 150 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:05,800 Oh, we don't need to vote. 151 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:06,800 Okay. 152 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,080 Now, are we straight? 153 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,080 Let's discuss F. 154 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:12,080 Okay. 155 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:16,680 Thank you, Chair. 156 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:23,320 In this item in F, PUB 22-183, we have what appears to be a four-year-old compressor that 157 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:31,440 sustained a catastrophic failure and now requires the city to spend $225,000 plus for the appropriate 158 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:37,840 rental replacement and labor associated with this failed starting air pressure. 159 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,600 And I may be missing something on this level. 160 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,520 A lot of this stuff goes over my head, so bear with me here. 161 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:48,840 But looking at this from the position of an individual consumer, was there no warranty 162 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,840 on this part that would address this kind of catastrophic failure? 163 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:59,760 Was this failure, or second part of the question, was this failure of the part itself or is 164 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:05,440 the OME saying it was a result of improper maintenance on DME's part? 165 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:11,400 In other words, they're not going to be responsible manufacturers, so was that too much? 166 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:12,400 No. 167 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:13,400 No, not too much. 168 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:14,400 Okay. 169 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:15,400 So good morning, Madam Chair. 170 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:16,400 Good morning. 171 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:20,120 Jason Brown, plant manager at the Denton Energy Center. 172 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,880 Great questions, Mr. Beck. 173 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:28,160 The warranty on the starting air compressors are a three-year warranty from install. 174 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:29,160 Yeah. 175 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:30,160 Okay. 176 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:35,000 In other markets, it's definitely pretty par for course for instrument air compressors. 177 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:43,520 They were out of warranty in 2020. 178 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,840 Was it a part failure, or? 179 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:46,840 It was. 180 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:48,120 It was a main component failure. 181 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:54,520 So what actually happened to the instrument or the start air compressor was a piston seizure. 182 00:08:54,520 --> 00:09:02,120 It's a reciprocating compressor, a piston seizure, it seized and pushed the piston and jugged 183 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:06,040 the liner totally off of their compressor. 184 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:10,320 And then as it was coasting down, did the same thing to the other side from imbalance. 185 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:11,320 Okay. 186 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,580 We don't have insurance to cover that, or is that covered? 187 00:09:14,580 --> 00:09:17,040 We do have insurance. 188 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:21,400 Our equipment insurance could cover it if the deductible was about the same. 189 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:28,040 So it's do you want to go with going to insurance claim and raising your premiums throughout 190 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:36,280 the lifespan, or do you want to replace the component itself? 191 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:41,200 The OEM touching on the maintenance aspect of it, we did bring in the OEM to evaluate 192 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:42,200 it. 193 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:49,120 They actually still have the complete unit doing a root cause analysis report on it. 194 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:55,040 At this time, it appears to be just a equipment manufacturer failure. 195 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,000 Whether they'll warranty that, they could. 196 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:03,240 If it's a component material defect, any of that kind of nature that was not a maintenance 197 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:04,320 aspect. 198 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,780 The maintenance on that compressor is pretty minimal. 199 00:10:07,780 --> 00:10:10,400 Change the oil, change the air filter. 200 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:14,460 That was done probably four months prior to. 201 00:10:14,460 --> 00:10:22,400 That's an annual based maintenance interval, 1,000 hours or a year. 202 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,520 So far right now, we're waiting on the RCA to come back. 203 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:31,120 We had to do a purchase order to be able to get the air compressor coming into us, which 204 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:35,080 was actually just installed here recently. 205 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,620 The other aspect to this was rental of equipment. 206 00:10:39,620 --> 00:10:44,000 So start air compressors, pretty vital piece of equipment for us. 207 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:49,820 We can't start the units without it, and having only one leaves us in a real vulnerable state. 208 00:10:49,820 --> 00:10:54,880 Is this a part that we, and due to the supply chain problem, that we would want to keep 209 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:59,400 in stock in the event that it happens, and if so, where are we at with that? 210 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:00,840 Not a complete unit. 211 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,260 I wouldn't recommend a complete unit. 212 00:11:03,260 --> 00:11:07,000 Catastrophic failure is pretty rare on something of this nature. 213 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,800 A motor, spare motor, yes. 214 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,000 During this event, we actually had to take the motor off of that one and put on the other 215 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,480 one because it was about to fail. 216 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:22,500 Motor maintenance is 40,000 hours, shouldn't be anywhere near, but the cycles on the equipment, 217 00:11:22,500 --> 00:11:27,120 the heat of the equipment, everything's needed to be adjusted a little bit. 218 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:28,120 Okay. 219 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:29,120 Thank you, Jason. 220 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:30,120 Yes, sir. 221 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:31,120 Thank you. 222 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:32,120 Okay. 223 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:33,120 Are you going to deal with H? 224 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:34,120 No. 225 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:35,120 Yeah, H? 226 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:36,120 No. 227 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:37,120 No, sir. 228 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:38,120 Okay. 229 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:39,120 Not me. 230 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:40,120 I have some more questions. 231 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:41,120 Okay. 232 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:42,120 Sorry. 233 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:43,120 Howdy. 234 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:44,120 Howdy. 235 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,300 So what's the life expectancy of these? 236 00:11:46,300 --> 00:11:50,060 So we're at what, four or five years right now, right? 237 00:11:50,060 --> 00:11:51,800 Four or five years right now. 238 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:57,120 Basically it's just like the engines or any other reciprocating engine type with a piston 239 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:58,200 in the sleeve. 240 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:03,680 It's all repairable parts unless you damage the actual crank case or the crank, then you're 241 00:12:03,680 --> 00:12:04,680 replacing components. 242 00:12:04,680 --> 00:12:07,160 How long did we expect it to last? 243 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:13,760 Typically, probably 17 years, 20 years. 244 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:17,520 So how do we have such a major failure so relatively quickly? 245 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:19,600 That seems a little... 246 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:25,700 Could be a bore issue with a piston seizure, just like in your car. 247 00:12:25,700 --> 00:12:32,300 If you have overheating issues, expansion, contraction, it could have been a little bit 248 00:12:32,300 --> 00:12:37,800 of bore size difference in there. 249 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:39,080 Could be a number of... 250 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:40,800 I guess they're figuring out still? 251 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:41,800 Mm-hmm. 252 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:42,800 Okay. 253 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:43,800 Yeah. 254 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:45,280 And then if you could run through the impact of this again. 255 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:52,240 So we have already leased a second one that was just installed, you said? 256 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:53,240 Correct. 257 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:58,600 So we had a backup air compressor on site for our black start testing. 258 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:03,920 So the first component of this was holding over that black start or that temporary compressor 259 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,800 that we had as an in case. 260 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:11,760 So we held it over $24,000 over the period of new coming in. 261 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:12,760 Okay. 262 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:21,480 In between the manufacturer, the OEM manufacturer and their representative brought in a temporary 263 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:27,000 air compressor so we could get rid of the other $24,000 expense. 264 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:34,580 So we had a temporary air compressor on site while they were building our actual replacement. 265 00:13:34,580 --> 00:13:38,280 The replacement just showed up last week. 266 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,080 Everything's operating normally now? 267 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:41,080 Yes, sir. 268 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:42,080 Okay. 269 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:43,080 Good deal. 270 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:44,080 That's all I have. 271 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:45,080 Okay. 272 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:46,080 Move approval. 273 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:47,080 Motion? 274 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:48,080 Move to approve. 275 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:49,080 Okay. 276 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:50,080 Mr. Beck approved. 277 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:51,080 Second? 278 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:52,080 Second. 279 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:53,080 Okay. 280 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:54,080 Thank you. 281 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:55,080 Any discussion? 282 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,240 All in favor say aye. 283 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:58,240 Aye. 284 00:13:58,240 --> 00:13:59,240 Aye. 285 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:00,240 Opposed? 286 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:01,240 Same sign. 287 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:02,240 Thank you. 288 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:03,240 And now H. 289 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:04,240 Good morning. 290 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:05,240 Good morning. 291 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:06,240 Craig Stastny. 292 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:13,240 I'm line manager for constructions, DMV. 293 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:14,240 Hi, Craig. 294 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:26,840 A little item popped out at me that it was something that I asked a question about several 295 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:33,080 months ago, so I just wanted to make sure, and this is in no way to try and be a gotcha 296 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:38,880 thing, but directional boring surfaces to install underground utilities will be performed 297 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,720 among other things overhead to underground conversion projects. 298 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:46,440 So I'm assuming that's line posts along the street. 299 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:50,720 That's where our overhead lines come in to the underground cable. 300 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:51,720 Okay. 301 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:52,720 So it's the- 302 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:53,720 That's overhead to underground. 303 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:54,720 Okay. 304 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:59,200 And we would be removing the posts that hold those above ground lines, right? 305 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,360 In some instances, I mean, I'm not following your question. 306 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:10,360 Well, what I asked before months ago is, you know, we were having a lot of problems with 307 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:18,320 the above ground lines because they are above ground, they're susceptible to extra weather, 308 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,720 terrorist attacks, all that sort of thing. 309 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:27,760 And I asked, you know, would the city be, you know, consider, you know, getting everything 310 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:32,600 underground or it's more secure, and the answer at that time, which is logical, it would be 311 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,040 cost prohibitive to do that. 312 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:40,840 So now part of this item wants to do what it sounded like wants to do some of that. 313 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:48,040 And that's what I'm asking, I guess, if we're going to, as it says, we're going to locate, 314 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,040 relocate utilities overhead to underground. 315 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:55,040 It's going to be an underground conversion, excuse me. 316 00:15:55,040 --> 00:16:02,840 Does this entail removing all of the infrastructure of the above ground where we're putting underground? 317 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,480 In certain jobs, yes. 318 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:11,720 So like what they'll do is they'll come in and put the overhead underground, and the boring 319 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:19,280 contract is what that's for, where it's not feasible to open cut, to put the lines underground 320 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:20,520 into conduit. 321 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:21,520 Okay. 322 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:27,880 So, Mr. Beck, so this contract is kind of a general contract, but we do have some very 323 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,640 specific projects, and you're exactly right, some of those projects that were undergrounding 324 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,160 are for reliability purposes. 325 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,920 Others are just to address a variety of different issues. 326 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:42,620 And so there's not anything specifically that we're intending for this particular contract 327 00:16:42,620 --> 00:16:46,400 other than as a general services contract that we've always had and we're going to use 328 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:47,400 as needed. 329 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:48,400 Okay. 330 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:54,360 So then as we progress towards the future and the need arises, we will start doing more 331 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:58,200 underground lines as opposed to above ground. 332 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,560 So all new subdivisions, all new areas are all undergrounded. 333 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:05,800 It's the existing areas that we will identify certain areas that need to be undergrounded 334 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,000 and we'll address those kind of on a case-by-case basis. 335 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:09,000 Okay. 336 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:10,000 Okay. 337 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:11,000 Great. 338 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:12,000 Thank you. 339 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:13,000 Sorry, I didn't understand your question. 340 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,120 And I did a terrible job laying it out there to you, so. 341 00:17:15,120 --> 00:17:16,120 That's all right. 342 00:17:16,120 --> 00:17:17,120 No problem. 343 00:17:17,120 --> 00:17:18,120 Okay. 344 00:17:18,120 --> 00:17:19,120 Any other questions? 345 00:17:19,120 --> 00:17:20,120 Approval? 346 00:17:20,120 --> 00:17:22,120 Would someone make a motion? 347 00:17:22,120 --> 00:17:23,120 Sure. 348 00:17:23,120 --> 00:17:24,120 Mr. Jump. 349 00:17:24,120 --> 00:17:25,120 Second. 350 00:17:25,120 --> 00:17:26,120 Mr. Beck. 351 00:17:26,120 --> 00:17:27,120 Any other discussion? 352 00:17:27,120 --> 00:17:28,120 All in favor, say aye. 353 00:17:28,120 --> 00:17:34,260 I oppose, same sign. 354 00:17:34,260 --> 00:17:35,260 Thank you very much. 355 00:17:35,260 --> 00:17:37,760 Thank you for that. 356 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:38,760 Okay. 357 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:44,880 Now we'll move into the items for individual consideration. 358 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:53,720 The first is the PB-22190, consider approval of the October 24th minutes. 359 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:58,640 Does everyone have an opportunity? 360 00:17:58,640 --> 00:17:59,640 Yes. 361 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:00,640 Okay. 362 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:01,640 So moved. 363 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:02,640 Second? 364 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:03,640 Sure. 365 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:04,640 Any discussion? 366 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:05,640 All in favor? 367 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:06,640 Discussion? 368 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:07,640 No. 369 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:09,360 All in favor, say aye. 370 00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:10,360 Aye. 371 00:18:10,360 --> 00:18:11,360 Opposed? 372 00:18:11,360 --> 00:18:12,360 Same sign. 373 00:18:12,360 --> 00:18:13,360 Thank you. 374 00:18:13,360 --> 00:18:14,360 Okay. 375 00:18:14,360 --> 00:18:23,920 PUB-22182, consider recommending adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton, a Texas 376 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:28,520 home rule municipal corporation, authorizing the city manager to execute a construction 377 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:35,760 manager at risk contract with McCarthy Building Companies, Inc. for construction phase services 378 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:43,720 for Southeast Denton package B improvements for the capital projects department, providing 379 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:54,080 for the expenditure of funds therefore, and providing an effective date, RFQ7714, awarding 380 00:18:54,080 --> 00:19:04,800 to McCarthy Building Companies, Inc. in a not to exceed amount of $21,582,378. 381 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,920 All right. 382 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:08,920 Good morning board members. 383 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:09,920 My name is Seth Garcia. 384 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,800 I'm a program manager with Capital Projects. 385 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:17,720 I do have a brief presentation for you for the construction manager at risk construction 386 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:24,360 phase contract for Southeast Denton package B. So for a quick overview of the scope. 387 00:19:24,360 --> 00:19:28,680 So Southeast Denton package B is the area shaded in green that you can see here. 388 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:32,760 This is our first horizontal construction manager at risk project that we're doing in the City 389 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:33,920 of Denton. 390 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:39,160 It's roughly 49 roadway segments or 21,000 linear feet of roadway. 391 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:43,120 We have 16,000 linear feet of water main that we're going to be replacing, and just over 392 00:19:43,120 --> 00:19:45,600 7,000 linear feet of wastewater main. 393 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:49,440 We've also identified with this project several areas that need ADA compliance. 394 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:54,400 So with those areas, we're replacing those sidewalk ramps, as well as adding some sidewalk 395 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:55,400 connectivity. 396 00:19:55,400 --> 00:20:00,520 So we're filling some gaps in these areas as well to connect sidewalks. 397 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,080 Really quickly, while you have the map up. 398 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:04,400 Yes, sir. 399 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:05,940 There isn't a legend on the map. 400 00:20:05,940 --> 00:20:07,720 So yellow is pavement. 401 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:08,720 Correct. 402 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:09,840 So yellow is pavement. 403 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:14,300 The dotted blue is water main replacement, and the hash kind of red marks is wastewater 404 00:20:14,300 --> 00:20:15,300 replacement. 405 00:20:15,300 --> 00:20:18,600 And the pink or purple in the center there? 406 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:22,720 So the area in the center is actually Southeast Denton package A. That's under construction 407 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:23,720 right now. 408 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:27,760 That was awarded back in April as a CSP project. 409 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:28,760 Okay. 410 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,880 So not the pink, just the green. 411 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:31,880 Correct. 412 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:36,280 Just the area in green. 413 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,440 So briefly just to walk through the GMP process. 414 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:43,760 So Southeast Denton package B was separated into five major work categories. 415 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:49,080 Those consist of asphalt paving, earthwork and demo, concrete flatwork, traffic control, 416 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:50,880 and our underground utilities. 417 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:55,080 Those were all put together into individual packages and bid by McCarthy building companies 418 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,360 to the public. 419 00:20:57,360 --> 00:21:03,240 McCarthy then held individual interviews with the top ranking firms and selected what they 420 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:07,480 thought was the best value and then brought those selections to the city to make sure 421 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,280 we concurred. 422 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:14,400 From that, McCarthy took all of those pricings, put it into a guaranteed maximum price, and 423 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:19,000 then added their general conditions costs, their bonds and insurance requirements, the 424 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:25,300 CMAR contingency, which we'll cover, and their overall contractor's fee. 425 00:21:25,300 --> 00:21:29,440 So these next few slides actually break down those costs we just discussed. 426 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:34,600 So here you can see the five major work packages and what the total cost came in. 427 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,920 For the solicitation, we actually did like individual units of measure. 428 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:43,720 Those are then converted to lump sums for those individual packages to form this total 429 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,200 GMP. 430 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:50,660 On the right there in the comments, you can see the company that was selected for each 431 00:21:50,660 --> 00:21:55,640 work package. 432 00:21:55,640 --> 00:22:00,200 The second slide just shows the different rates that were used to calculate the general 433 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:06,880 conditions, the insurance, the 3% construction contingency that is within the GMP. 434 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:08,720 That is for the CMAR's use. 435 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:14,240 And then their construction fee of 6.95%, which was negotiated through the RFP stage 436 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,480 when we first brought on the CMAR. 437 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:22,680 Lastly, you'll see there at the very bottom the performance and payment bond at 0.71% 438 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,640 for the total GMP value of $21,014,409. 439 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,240 Yes, sir. 440 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,760 - Thank you. 441 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,480 One more question. 442 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:41,640 On this process, the construction manager at risk selects the bid, like interviews and 443 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:42,640 selects the bids. 444 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:43,640 - Correct. 445 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,000 - Does the city see all of the bids or just the final selected? 446 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,000 - Yeah. 447 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,480 So when they actually bid it, they require the contractor to submit two copies. 448 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,760 One comes to myself, one goes to their office. 449 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:58,360 We actually, myself, sat on the interviews and listened to all the responses where they 450 00:22:58,360 --> 00:23:00,680 went through verifying scopes. 451 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,800 They then put all those recommendations for each individual work package, and we had a 452 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:09,920 sit down meeting with our collaboration team, myself, the design engineer, and the CMAR, 453 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:14,800 and we walked through each of the top ranking bids to make sure we all concurred with the 454 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,760 contractor that was selected. 455 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:25,060 - And on these fees, general conditions, is that a contingency based on if conditions 456 00:23:25,060 --> 00:23:26,760 are bad or is that built in? 457 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:33,760 - No, so the general conditions fee is actually for kind of their home office and overhead. 458 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:39,560 So their project management staff, something that's not, has a direct hour bill rate, their 459 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:45,500 actual job trailer on site, those are all built into that general conditions cost. 460 00:23:45,500 --> 00:23:52,760 - And so this is the, what is it, what's the GMP? 461 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,040 - Guaranteed Maximum Price. 462 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:55,040 - Guaranteed Maximum Price? 463 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:56,040 - Correct. 464 00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:00,240 - Is there any chance, apart from the contingency, that it will be less than the guaranteed maximum 465 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,000 or is it just basically a fixed? 466 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:09,000 - Yeah, so this is a fixed lump sum, so they receive 100% of the proceeds after this. 467 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:13,400 So it's not a cost plus fee, we actually did this all as a complete lump sum. 468 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:18,600 So 21 million minus any owner-directed changes is what the contractor will receive for the 469 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:19,600 work. 470 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:24,760 - Okay, so, okay, I was curious, because it said like guaranteed maximum, does that mean 471 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:25,760 there's a minimum? 472 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:26,760 Is there a range? 473 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,800 Is there, some of these fees are contingent? 474 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,200 So, but basically this is like a fixed price, 21 million. 475 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:33,200 - Yes, sir. 476 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:34,200 That is it. 477 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:35,200 - Thank you. 478 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:43,740 - So quickly for the project schedule, our design approval was back in October of 2021. 479 00:24:43,740 --> 00:24:47,000 We then approved the CMAR in December of 2021. 480 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,320 That gave us about nine months to design this project. 481 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:54,720 We are planning to issue a notice to proceed for construction with y'all's approval in 482 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,880 January of 2023. 483 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:03,260 And we are estimating this project to be construction complete by early quarter three, 2024. 484 00:25:03,260 --> 00:25:09,000 So roughly about a 16, 18 month construction timeframe. 485 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,960 So with that, staff recommends approval of the CMAR contract with McCarthy's Building 486 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:20,520 Company for the total GMP amount of 21 million plus a 3% owner's contingency of just over 487 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:28,440 567,000 for the total contract of 21,582,378. 488 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:38,020 And I'm happy to answer any questions. 489 00:25:38,020 --> 00:25:41,620 - Is there a motion? 490 00:25:41,620 --> 00:25:44,360 Mr. Beck moves approval. 491 00:25:44,360 --> 00:25:45,800 Second? 492 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,560 Mr. Jump second. 493 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:50,560 Any other questions? 494 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,360 All in favor say aye. 495 00:25:52,360 --> 00:25:53,360 - Aye. 496 00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:54,360 - Opposed? 497 00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:55,360 Same sign. 498 00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:56,360 Thank you very much. 499 00:25:56,360 --> 00:25:57,360 - Thank y'all. 500 00:25:57,360 --> 00:26:08,180 All right, for item C for individual consideration, PUB 22-191, management reports, future agenda 501 00:26:08,180 --> 00:26:09,760 items. 502 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:14,640 - So Madam Chair and members of the PUB, so still the same items that we've had on here 503 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:15,640 for you. 504 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:22,320 Tentatively, we have scheduled on January 9th an update on the DME budget and rates 505 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:23,320 discussion. 506 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,560 Again, that date's still a little contingent, just want to make sure that you're aware of 507 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:27,560 that. 508 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:32,600 And then we're still scheduled to bring the Greensense program to you on January 23rd, 509 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,000 barring any other issues that may come up. 510 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,360 So with that, we're happy to answer any questions or if there's anything else that you'd like 511 00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:47,240 to see here in the next year, happy to list them out for you. 512 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:52,200 - Well, we're not seeing any coming forth today. 513 00:26:52,200 --> 00:27:01,280 So onto business action items. 514 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:02,280 Nothing there. 515 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:03,280 Okay. 516 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:04,280 Concluding items. 517 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,280 Is that to be read? 518 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:22,120 Okay, is there anything for concluding items? 519 00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:23,120 - I move adjournment. 520 00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:24,120 - Is there a second? 521 00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:25,120 - Second. 522 00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:26,120 - Second. 523 00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:27,120 All in favor? 524 00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:28,120 Aye. 525 00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:29,120 All right. 526 00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:30,120 Opposed? 527 00:27:30,120 --> 00:27:31,120 Same sign. 528 00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:32,120 - Good job. 529 00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:33,320 - Thank you very much.