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 >> Okay. All right.

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 Well, this meeting of the Mobility Committee Wednesday,

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 to have any individual consideration items

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 on the agendas that individuals are able

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 to comment one time per agenda.

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 Each speaker is going to give a total

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 of three minutes per agenda item.

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 A requested speak card must be completed and returned

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 to the staff liaison before the committee considers the items.

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 Items for individual consideration, MC-22-029,

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 consider the approval of the minutes of September 28, 2022.

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 >> I move approval of the minutes.

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 >> Okay. MC-22-030, receive a report and hold a discussion

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 regarding the City of Denny's Transportation Mobility Project

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 Status Report.

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 Good morning, sir.

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 >> John Bolster, Innovative Transportation Solutions.

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 I'm here to give you an update on your transportation report.

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 So we'll start off with some good news.

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 As you may have noticed if you drive

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 2181 essentially was open to its final configuration back

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 on October 17th, so road is essentially open

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 and we're now doing punch list items, sod, painting,

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 some of the storm water prevention barricades.

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 They're up for construction, so it's essentially open

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 to traffic after nine years of trauma.

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 So that's good news there.

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 >> It's wonderful news.

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 >> Mayhill, at 35, the project is slowly creeping

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 up in cost, we're at 95 million bucks for that interchange

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 and fringe roads all the way to the new look.

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 The funding was included in its previous August approval

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 of the United Unified Transportation Plan

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 and we are still ready to let in 2023 assuming all

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 of these utilities that are listed here will meet their

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 deadlines or so.

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 so we should be letting this project go

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 to construction in December of, it says June of 25,

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 but since we got the money in August,

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 it'll be the 23 timeframe.

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 You'll note that a lot of these numbers are highlighted,

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 the reason for that is because of two reasons.

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 that in the past six months a lot of the costs have gone up.

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 So the I-35E merge project is at $431 million, it's a change

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 and we have those funds and again

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 that project will be letting September of next year.

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 but again we're fairly confident that that will happen.

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 And then your I-35 North project, it's got been broken into,

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 it's essentially only three projects.

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 with the 455 project and it's going to be built with SN455.

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 Again, it's $792 million is what we have available

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 and right now it's at $749, so we didn't have to change the

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 so somebody's going to have to pay the cost off for that one.

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 Okay, 377 and 380 project across the lake.

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 all year this month and so far we seem to be on track.

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 of Chrome has got some issues with the western part of it.

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 for having the project what they call plans adequate which is

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 and we're going to work till meet and go through all

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 that was submitted, the design that was submitted,

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 and the effects consistent with what the city desires.

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 of Denton proper has been completed and we are now

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 on all the striping on 35 resurfacing project in Denton.

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 I think that is it for me.

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 It's just going to take a vote for roads and that's it for me.

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 >> The outlook?

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 I was going to do this.

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 I got to do this.

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 That Mayhill and that 35.

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 And I notice that the Exxon looks like it's on its way out

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 or it's finally --

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 >> Yes, ma'am.

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 >> Explain to me what that's going to kind of look like.

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 >> So you see what Luke 288 at Golden Triangle Mall

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 on 35 looks like, the big interchange?

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 That's only 10 lanes.

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 What we're going to do at Mayhill is the same thing.

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 Only it will be 12 lanes that go under the freeway.

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 So it will be a significant larger footprint

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 because you have six lanes coming to Mayhill

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 and six lanes coming up from 2499.

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 So it will be a large structure with three lanes in dual Fs

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 and then a U-turn in both directions.

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 And so that 2499 Mayhill, it's going to run from 35

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 over to Woodrow like that.

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 All of that is being cleaned up.

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 >> So we've got three projects going on.

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 North of 35 at Mayhill, we are realigning Mayhill

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 through that track to tie it in and go straight up Mayhill,

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 take out that bend at Colorado and Edwards and get rid

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 of that great crossing of the railroad.

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 And then 35 interchange itself

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 with Mayhill will be the 12 lanes and then 2499

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 to the south is our six lanes.

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 >> Okay, so between Mayhill and Woodrow, Colorado and 35,

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 all of that is going to be a part of this project?

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 >> So we're negotiating that.

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 Because what happened is the old environmental document did not go

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 all the way north to Colorado.

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 And so we've got the Cog City of Denton,

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 Denton County project that's going to redo Mayhill at Colorado.

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 And so we're just figuring out how

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 to just close the gap between the two.

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 We'll figure it out.

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 >> That's what I hadn't heard, you know, all that time.

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 So I know that that is a big deal.

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 >> Yeah, we're not going to do all that work and then have it

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 with us, you'd all call stupid because we didn't fix that.

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 800 feet of pavement.

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 We'll fix that.

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 We'll get it one way or the other.

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 >> I'm holding your hand.

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 >> Everybody does.

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 >> Thank you.

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 It goes on.

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 >> I'm good.

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 >> Yeah.

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 >> All right.

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 Easy.

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 >> Thank you very much.

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 >> Thanks.

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 >> I didn't bring anything, so.

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 >> Thank you, John.

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 >> All right.

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 NC22032 received a report holding discussion

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 against that direction regarding Bonnie Gray Street

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 Project Update.

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 [ Inaudible ]

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 >> Morning.

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 I'm Kyle Pettico.

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 I'm a program manager with Capital Improvement.

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 And so today, I'm going to give an overall update

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 on all the projects associated with the Bonnie Gray Corridor

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 and as well as go into staff's findings regarding a potential

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 roundabout at Windsor and Bonnie Gray,

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 associated with the phase six of this project.

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 So here's an overview.

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 The Gantt chart at the bottom,

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 the colors match the map at the right.

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 So starting at the bottom from Rose Lawn to 35 is phase three,

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 Bonnie Gray phase three.

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 That one is currently bidding and is set to close next week.

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 So pending council award, we're looking

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 at a late four-four start construction.

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 And that's approximately an 18-month project.

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 Phase four is in green.

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 That is between I-35 and scripture.

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 That one has funding associated with the 2022 county bond.

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 And the estimated schedule on that pending the approval

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 of the funding is construction start in the beginning of 2024.

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 Phase five is scripture to U.S. 380.

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 That's in pink.

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 That is the same as phase four type

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 of bond 2022 county bond funding

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 and estimated construction start is early 2025.

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 Phase six is the one that we're talking about today.

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 That is U.S. 380, U.S. 77.

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 This one is completed in the design phase and we're ready

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 to send it out to bid pending one final parcel

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 that we have to acquire.

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 It's the -- since there's federal funding,

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 we need to have all the parcels acquired before we commit the project.

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 So regarding a proposed roundabout at Wednesday.

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 So the current plan for phase six that's complete includes construction

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 of a standard signalized intersection with this project

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 that would -- traffic signals, crosswalks for a standard intersection.

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 So on August 16th, 2022 council member Davis requested information regarding the viability

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 of replacing that planned signal with a roundabout.

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 There was previous communication with staff that was provided where staff would --

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 was committed to look into the viability

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 and research the viability of a roundabout at that intersection.

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 So that's what we're trying to accomplish here even though the project's designed

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 and ready to go.

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 So in this presentation we examine the impacts of this roundabout

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 on the project cost and schedule, any impacts to traffic and then any impacts

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 to pedestrian and pedestrian traffic.

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 Here's a quick cost breakdown.

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 So running through each of these, we'd have to redesign the pavement,

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 redesign the drainage due to the increased footprint.

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 We'd have to add in some temporary pavement to maintain access during construction.

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 We would emit the signal at Windsor which would result in a credit.

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 But then we'd have to perform an environmental reevaluation due to the federal

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 or the textile funding. We'd have to require additional right-of-way

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 which looks -- is approximately a 12-month process

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 if anything most driven domain.

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 We would have to accommodate the fire station at this location.

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 So the proximity of the roundabout to the fire station would require a preemption signal

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 and a bigger traffic study to go into how that would work getting the engines out of the garage

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 and getting such folks proximity to an un-signalized intersection.

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 And then we would also have a large utility relocation cost.

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 We're looking at approximately a two-year delay on this.

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 And base estimate $1 million cost of relocating utilities.

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 We'd have to remove a minimum of three EME towers and relocate a 42-inch water line

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 that would now be under the footprint of the roundabout.

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 So overall we're looking at approximately a three-year delay and $2 million additional cost

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 if we were to add a roundabout at this stage of the project.

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 Here's a brief overview of the utility concerns.

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 So in this overview, this yellow line here is the DME of 138 kVA transmission line.

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 And that's a picture of what the tower transmission line looks like that would have to be relocated to the left there.

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 And that's also the blue line represents the location of the 42-inch water transmission line.

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 So the reason for the 24-month schedule impact on these is both of these have up to 12-month lead times

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 on materials for procurement plus they have very, very limited windows in which we can shut these down

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 to perform any type of relocation because they're both large-scale transmission lines of water and electricity.

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 Regarding funding concerns that we uncovered with this analysis.

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 So due to the inclusion of FHWA funds, this project cannot be sent out to bid

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 until all of our clearance letters for right-of-way utility clearance letters are received.

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 So with that long utility relocation window and the additional right-of-way acquisition,

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 we're looking at a potential, again, 36-month delay to the schedule of the project.

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 So we would also risk, put our federal funds at risk.

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 So right now, we have $11.8 million in federal funding through TxDOT.

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 And if there's a substantial delay due to a late-stage redesign and this reevaluation

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 that the process would have to go through, we would put that funding at risk.

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 So I included a Gantt chart at the bottom showing the different stages of Bonnie Bray.

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 Bonnie Bray 6 is the blue line, again, showing that we're ready to begin this project

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 with construction estimated early next year.

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 The bottom line is if we would add a roundabout and include that 36-month delay,

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 showing that we wouldn't start construction until approximately 2026.

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 So we also analyzed the pedestrian concerns in this area because that's been a bit of a hot topic,

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 especially with the new high school openings.

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 So on this map, I have the new DISD high school highlighted along

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 with the proposed DISD elementary school.

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 This elementary school is estimated to be open in August of 2024.

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 So we're working that phasing in with the current plan for Bonnie Bray,

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 the current construction plan to minimize the impact on that school.

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 But if we face the delay due to adding this roundabout,

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 we wouldn't be starting the improvements on Bonnie Bray until after that school is open.

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 We also had concerns regarding adding a non-signalized pedestrian crossing at that intersection

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 because with the roundabout not having a signalized crossing times,

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 the crosswalks would be basically pedestrians crossing live traffic.

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 So in discussion, this presents what is called a multiple-threat scenario

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 where if a pedestrian is crossing and the first car to see them stops,

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 as they're crossing in front of that car, the pedestrian can't see the second lane

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 and that second lane can't see the pedestrian.

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 So there's no signal to stop traffic that prevents a potential hazard to pedestrian travel,

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 especially considering that this is expected to be a major pedestrian route for both of these schools.

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 So with the Bonnie Bray phase 6 improvements,

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 a 10-foot mixed-use path is being added on the east side of the road

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 and a 6- to 8-foot wide sidewalk is being added along the west side.

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 And then we also had concerns about future expansion.

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 So with the traffic impact analysis performed in 2020,

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 a four-lane divided roadway is expected to be able to take us through 2014 with as far as capacity.

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 As soon as we start to exceed the 28,400 average daily trips,

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 we would have to upsize this to the Bonnie Bray to a six-lane roadway.

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 That was initially anticipated to be common issue around 2040,

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 but that initial traffic analysis didn't take into consideration the development of these DISD properties

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 or the multifamily developments of the mark and the perch,

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 both of them in that Bonnie Bray corridor and the added traffic.

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 So a six-lane upgrade may be required before, earlier than 2040,

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 and this is just an example of what a six-lane roundabout would look like.

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 So through our analysis, staff leaves that replacing, at this stage of the project,

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 so late with this project ready to bid,

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 replacing that intersection, the plan's signalization improvements with a roundabout

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 would cause more negative than positive impacts on the community and on the project itself.

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 It would cause impacts on the traveling public due to pedestrian risks.

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 With crossing that, it would potentially risk a withdrawal of the federal funding that we have assigned to this project.

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 DISD would face a delay of the improvements in this area,

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 causing major traffic impacts on their routes to school when this would eventually take place.

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 And then the neighborhood also has had a lot of complaints about the intersection at Windsor and Bonnie Bray being a four-way stop,

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 and so the neighborhood is very much looking for the signal being installed there with this Bonnie Bray project.

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 So staff recommends against adding a roundabout this phase, but we're searching,

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 we're looking for feedback from Mobility Committee before we present this to Council.

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 Any questions?

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 I'm pretty sold. I tend to be roundabout, agnostic.

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 I don't know a ton about the data regarding their safety as far as collisions or collisions with pedestrians.

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 My first piece of feedback would be, before you bring it before Council,

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 I would say add something in regarding pedestrian safety and roundabouts as far as data.

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 Just so that, because I'm trying to anticipate what Councilmember Davis might say,

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 that depending on what the priorities are, is it worth $2 million if it's a lot safer? Maybe.

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 Is it worth $2 million if it's a little safer? Maybe not.

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 I think that that's a cost-benefit analysis for sure. My feedback would be it's probably not.

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 But I'd say bring that before Council.

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 So what concerns was, and this is a question for anybody in the room who has an idea,

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 what concerns was Councilmember Davis trying to address when he suggested the roundabout?

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 Was it primarily pedestrians?

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 I believe it's because there was communication between Council and previous staff

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 that a roundabout at this location would be analyzed.

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 And they provided emails of that effect to staff that wasn't communicated during the design process.

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 So the design went forward with a standard signal, a signalized intersection,

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 and we're just following up on providing the analysis and providing the information

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 that was promised previously but not communicated.

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 Okay. All right. So his main concern is just, hey, I heard this was happening. Is it not happening?

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 I believe so.

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 Not so much that he's pushing really hard for a roundabout necessarily?

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 Yeah. I would concur with what Kyle states.

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 We've just been made aware of a situation where there is previous communication that happened with previous staff.

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 None of us were here at that time that said, hey, we would evaluate it.

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 So we are wanting to go through the process to physically do the evaluation,

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 which I believe we've done so I'm confident with the work that Kyle's done to show, yes, it is a possible situation.

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 There are a million ways to design something, but from the staff's recommendation and perspective,

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 it slows the project down three years, adds additional $2 million,

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 and from a pedestrian perspective is maybe not the best-case scenario, and it negatively impacts DISD.

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 We actually met with DISD Monday.

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 And one of the things I know Kyle is aware of but I want to highlight is with you,

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 council has already passed an agreement for the Riney Road portion to be included as a part of the Bonnie and Mary Phase Six.

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 We've already coordinated with DISD through an interlocal agreement to add Riney Road construction to the Bonnie and Mary project

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 so that we are working to have even Riney Road improved before the new elementary comes on board too.

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 So all of that will be delayed to then after the – and if you've driven Riney Road,

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 you know the improvements need to be made before the school – it's a very narrow way also – before there's a ton of school traffic on there.

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 We're simply just bringing it forward so that we can get your recommendation.

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 It will go to council next Tuesday, but we felt that it was important to bring it forward just simply from the standpoint

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00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,400
 that we were not aware of the conversations and it was brought to our attention.

490
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:33,400
 So I guess my question is, was it – I guess Councilmember Davis asked you all to evaluate like the feasibility of adding a roundabout,

491
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:38,400
 or was it that you were asked to evaluate or someone at some point was asked to evaluate

492
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:48,400
 whether a roundabout at that intersection would be beneficial either for traffic flow, for safety, for pedestrians?

493
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,400
 What was the request?

494
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:59,400
 Yeah, the request that we received was basically to – would you look into if a roundabout could be constructed in that area?

495
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:05,400
 There's not a lot of information. The information we received is approximately two sentences,

496
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:14,400
 which is saying, "Hey, is there a possibility?" and staff saying, "Yes, we're happy to look into the possibility of putting in a roundabout in that area,"

497
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,400
 which would have been a part of the design process if we would have been aware of it.

498
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,400
 Yeah, yeah.

499
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:25,400
 Which we would have done the feasibility assessment and my feelings, and I'm sure Kyle will concur,

500
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:32,400
 but we would have still gotten to the same point of a signalized intersection at this location, even with the evaluation being completed.

501
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:40,400
 Well, I'll say this. I mean, just my personal feedback, like if this were the work session that we're going to have in front of Council,

502
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:48,400
 I would say my top priority there would be pedestrian safety and bike safety because, as you mentioned, there is a ton of multifamily going in there.

503
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:57,400
 There are going to be two big schools. Ideally, all the folks who live in those multifamily will be sending their kids to walk to those schools,

504
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:03,400
 so hopefully that will be very heavy pedestrian traffic and whatever.

505
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:15,400
 If you can put something in here about what evidence you have that a signalized intersection is the safest option anyway, then yeah.

506
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:20,400
 Because I know that for smaller roadways, sometimes a roundabout is safer for pedestrians, right?

507
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,400
 But I think the idea is this is not going to remain a small roadway.

508
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:30,400
 So six lanes of traffic is a lot longer to get across than a smaller intersection.

509
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:36,400
 I would say I have major concerns about the idea of that becoming a six lane roadway at some point in the future,

510
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:41,400
 given how dense it's going to be and hopefully how much pedestrian traffic there will be.

511
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,400
 I would hope that we can keep it small to prioritize that pedestrian traffic.

512
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,400
 But regarding the roundabout, I'm sold.

513
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:55,400
 Sure. And I would say, too, that on Bonnie Rae Face 6, it has a ten foot side path on one side of the roadway

514
00:37:55,400 --> 00:38:00,400
 and a five to eight foot, depending on the location and the easement on the west side.

515
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,400
 So we do have all of that as a part of the design that Kyle's been leading.

516
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:13,400
 I wonder, too, if there was an element of this that was like the person who requested this

517
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:19,400
 was interested in a roundabout for its traffic calming properties to keep traffic slow.

518
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:29,400
 Is there anything else that's in the works in the area for keeping traffic slow on Bonnie Rae and on Windsor?

519
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:37,400
 There's going to be multiple signalized intersections throughout. There's already a signal at 380 in Bonnie Rae.

520
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:45,400
 There'll be one at Windsor. There'll be one at Riney, Barackoway, and then, of course, one at Bonnie Rae and 77.

521
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:50,400
 So you're going to be stopping multiple times along that area where now you don't have that stop.

522
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,400
 I don't know if there's anything you'd like to add.

523
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:58,400
 Well, I think this is it. So we have the school zones that are being established in that area to slow traffic.

524
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,400
 There we go. Okay. Yeah.

525
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:07,400
 They're already implemented for the implementation of the high school, but we will have additional school zones with the new elementary school.

526
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:12,400
 So my feedback would be, yeah, just include that, aside about that in the presentation.

527
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:13,400
 Sure.

528
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:22,400
 Okay. If the point of a roundabout is to slow people down, here are some other ways we're already planning to slow people down.

529
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,400
 Thank you.

530
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:36,400
 Well, I'm not sold on a roundabout because just the massive scale of what it would be in that area.

531
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:37,400
 Right.

532
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,400
 And the number of children. There's just going to be so many families.

533
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:49,400
 You all have even been out there when they're doing football games and all of that. All of that's going to be taking place as well.

534
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,400
 So on Saturday mornings, we're very, very busy.

535
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:58,400
 With the parks. And that's another point that I didn't spend a lot of time focusing on.

536
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:11,400
 It is in the presentation. It's bringing up with the new high school and with new drivers trying to navigate a complicated roundabout with a lot of school pedestrian traffic.

537
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:19,400
 It's not a good solution, but we can add that. I can separate that out and add in some statistics to pilot it.

538
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:27,400
 So when this comes to council, I'm sure I'm going to not agree with it going forward.

539
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:42,400
 But my question is about Windsor. That's going to be a very large... Are we planning on expanding that in any way? Two lanes? What's going on on Windsor?

540
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:55,400
 So Windsor improvements are included with the Westgate project that's currently in design. We're bringing the design contract, I think on the 15th of council, to kick that off.

541
00:40:55,400 --> 00:41:18,400
 So Windsor, the way it's necked down over by 35. So Windsor's going to be expanded when we rebuild Westgate, when we connect Westgate and log away to a through path there. Windsor's also going to be expanded out to 35 to its current configuration instead of necking down the two lanes.

542
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:30,400
 And with the textile I-35 expansion, they're also constructing an overpass, Windsor overpass, to bring it across 35 at that location.

543
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:51,400
 So that's going to just seal up that corner, that space there on the east side of Monterrey and of course the west side of Monterrey. I'm just noticing some construction, I guess they're moving utilities or something over there on Windsor.

544
00:41:51,400 --> 00:42:19,400
 So yeah, that's a sanitary sewer upsizing upgrade. So that's tied together with the sewer master plan, the wastewater master plan. That project's almost completed and that's related to the future utility improvements up around 288, 288, 77 and I-35 that corner.

545
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:39,400
 Well that's, I didn't have any additional questions in that regard but I'm just, I'm not going to agree with it. We're just looking forward to having a really nice intersection here so we want to be pleased going through that way. Thank you.

546
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:57,400
 Thank you, Sal. Appreciate the feedback and you will see it Tuesday at council. So we'll make some modifications to the presentation and move forward with bringing that to council on Tuesday.

547
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:12,400
 Okay so we'll move on to EMC 22-031, Future Items for Mobility Committee Meeting 2022.

548
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:23,400
 Alrighty. Thank you so much, Logan. So we don't have any additional items that you asked for from the last meeting, but do want to just kind of go through what's been on the standing agenda.

549
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:37,400
 So Bonnie Bray, Kyle just did a great job of bringing you the update on Bonnie Bray Street. The Citywide Speed Study, I think we all know where that stands. We've had those conversations and that presentation was given on the 18th.

550
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:57,400
 I will note what you will see coming back and Brett will be working on this with Ismael, our new transportation engineer, is the ordinances specifically related to the speed study and breaking that down into the school zone ordinance versus the ordinance to make the modifications to the roadways with the recommendation.

551
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:05,400
 And that will not include the textile roadways at this point. So those ordinances you'll see come back, I believe, we currently have it slated for the December council meeting.

552
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:19,400
 On Hickory Creek Road, Phase 3, we did provide an update in the September staff report. There are not a lot of updates to that besides construction has started and moving right along.

553
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:34,400
 And then, of course, Ryan Road, same thing, we brought it back in September. And Ryan Road is still on hold until Hickory Creek gets to a point where the construction is to a point where we feel confident that we won't have both roads under construction at the same time.

554
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:40,400
 I will mention that Ryan Road is a part of the Denton County bond trip 2022 package.

555
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:51,400
 And then the TextDOT response, I just mentioned this, is that we've given all of that information to TextDOT. They told us it takes about six to eight months to receive the response on the citywide speed study.

556
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,400
 And so we're going to be working through that with them.

557
00:44:55,400 --> 00:45:04,400
 That's really what we had on the agenda. I don't know if there's anything else that you would like to bring to our attention that you'd like for us to bring back.

558
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:12,400
 And Logan, I don't have the date for the November meeting on the top of my head, but I know November and December are going to be coming here before you know it and going to be fast.

559
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:24,400
 So one of the things we will want to make sure is that there's something on the agenda that we need to bring back forward because if there's not, there may not be any reason even to hold one of the committee meetings.

560
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:33,400
 So let's talk through that. And if I'm open to hearing what you have that you'd like for us to bring forward.

561
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:39,400
 I this is a direction.

562
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:47,400
 The overlay project is that related to the Microsoft Microsoft.

563
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,400
 It is now. Yes. Okay.

564
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:56,400
 So how are you all going to be handling that situation. Sure.

565
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:06,400
 So Microsoft specifically we can bring back a detailed report, you will be receiving a staff report in this Friday's report.

566
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:15,400
 Ethan Cox is the director of streets drainage and traffic and I along with several other staff members have been working through that from a contractual perspective.

567
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:21,400
 And we will be bringing that forward. Like I said in that in a Friday report item.

568
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:31,400
 I mean Ethan's also been in contact with the individuals that made the presentations to counsel on I guess to Tuesday nights ago.

569
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:44,400
 So as far as that overall process, not only are we working to make sure that the contractor comes back and we've been holding the contractor accountable to the measures of which they're supposed to be constructing.

570
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:50,400
 We also are looking at process improvements internally. And that's something that's being evaluated in a part of that overall.

571
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:55,400
 I currently is an ISR may turn to an LSR as we work through that.

572
00:46:55,400 --> 00:47:02,400
 But that should our anticipation is that will be in your Friday report this week. That's our goal.

573
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:12,400
 Was this company nearly finished with that project or were they in the middle of it or were they just getting started when this presentation was done.

574
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:21,400
 The contractor has been completed with the work for some time and the presentations that were brought forward are after the fact.

575
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:32,400
 I've traveled some roads in my mind. I've said they should have done this road. Why was this road not done?

576
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:42,400
 So would it be would it be OK for us to maybe go through it since we're kind of we're having to go back to the contract.

577
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:48,400
 There are some roads out there that should have been included in this packet.

578
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:57,400
 Yeah. So I will tell you with micro selling we're getting to the point where we're not going to be able to do additional construction when the temperatures get below 40.

579
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:02,400
 You cannot do the construction. So we're at a very tight window holding the contractor accountable.

580
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:13,400
 We're working to have them completed with everything by November 18th and we're actually meeting for the next three hours to go through this internally and then with the contractor on all of their improvement measures.

581
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:23,400
 I would tell you there's particular criteria specifically related to the overall condition index to be used as a part of the overall micro selling.

582
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,400
 That would be the same thing for crack sale, the same thing for mill and overlay.

583
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:35,400
 So if there's particular red ways that you have questions about, I think the engaged in process is a fantastic way to submit that information.

584
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:39,400
 Or if you have a list of women, you want to send it to the city manager's office for us to evaluate.

585
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:45,400
 But I would tell you that any work to be completed would more than likely be something in next year's package.

586
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:54,400
 And we would want to explain to you the reason why it's a micro sale versus a crack sale versus a mill and overlay as it meets the particular criteria.

587
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,400
 Are you saying mill and overlay?

588
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:57,400
 Mill and overlay.

589
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:58,400
 And I-L-L.

590
00:48:58,400 --> 00:48:59,400
 Mill.

591
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:00,400
 I-L-L.

592
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:01,400
 And.

593
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:02,400
 And.

594
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:03,400
 Mill and overlay.

595
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:04,400
 Mill and overlay.

596
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:05,400
 Okay.

597
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:09,400
 Yes, I'm sorry. Sometimes I talk really fast and my text is slaying deads and out.

598
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,400
 Can you tell me if my perception is accurate here?

599
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:13,400
 Okay.

600
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:23,400
 Because we, you know, staff came to us with a presentation about the micro seal project and explained OPI to us.

601
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:29,400
 And we learned about what the criteria were.

602
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:35,400
 And am I correct in my perception that the criteria just kind of weren't followed?

603
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,400
 It was a process error basically?

604
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:44,400
 There are some criteria and decisions that were made that we would like to improve in the future.

605
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:54,400
 And there are some standards that we're working around what we feel to be the best practice from a best management practice as to move forward.

606
00:49:54,400 --> 00:50:01,400
 But I will say that the majority of what we're working through right now is, you know, as always with anything, right?

607
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:08,400
 We want to continuously improve and we want to make sure that we're adhering to the processes and procedures.

608
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:12,400
 And some of those are things that we would like to document better, right?

609
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:16,400
 So that's just a process and Ethan's working through those things.

610
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:24,400
 But I would tell you in many of the cases too, the contractor did not perform to the level of accuracy that we're comfortable with.

611
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:29,400
 And that's the reason why we're on week three of having a weekly meeting with them.

612
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:44,400
 And so I would tell you that, you know, that's part of the process is making sure that the contractor is going back and completing the work in the way that we feel like is going to meet the expectation within the small time frame of window that we have.

613
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:52,400
 And then of course next year Ethan and I both commit to making sure that it's done in a different manner.

614
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,400
 Thank you. Thanks for handling that.

615
00:50:54,400 --> 00:51:00,400
 I mean, hey, mistakes happen in every organization and all you can do is learn from them.

616
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:01,400
 Absolutely.

617
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:10,400
 You know, especially since roads are, you know, aside from safety, it's the number one topic of any complaint.

618
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,400
 We're complaining when the roads are bad.

619
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,400
 We're complaining when they're getting fixed.

620
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:18,400
 And then we complain when they're fixed because people are driving too fast.

621
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,400
 So it just all goes together.

622
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:21,400
 Sure.

623
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:29,400
 But I was just very curious about, you know, where we were in terms of, you know, correcting.

624
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,400
 So you can answer that question.

625
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:40,400
 And I was certainly engaged in when I'm driving on the road, I'll be one of those people that will get out of my car and take a picture.

626
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:41,400
 Sure.

627
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,400
 And just, you know, to note it.

628
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:50,400
 Because I've driven down a few roads and I thought they didn't even get this road, they didn't even get that road.

629
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:51,400
 Right.

630
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:52,400
 So thank you.

631
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:53,400
 Yeah.

632
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,400
 I'm going to let Ethan add.

633
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:02,400
 I was just going to say to your last point about what's the plan for us to address some of the quality issues that we've seen.

634
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,400
 That is really the purpose of the meetings with our contractor the last few weeks.

635
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:09,400
 And we're actually meeting with them, like Becky said today, to review their repair plans.

636
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:19,400
 And so I think that is something that we're hoping to line out not just within the staff report, but also communications to the community for those roadways that do need some additional addressing.

637
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:28,400
 Did the city make the determination as to which roads were going to be done, or did we rely on this company?

638
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,400
 No, that was performed by staff.

639
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,400
 And I think that's where Becky's talking about.

640
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,400
 There are some process improvements that we need to take a look at.

641
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:43,400
 You know, generally the condition of the road is looked at in terms of prescribing maintenance and the type of maintenance that will be performed.

642
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:47,400
 You know, for mill and overlay, you are looking at roads that are in good or better condition.

643
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,400
 It's a preventative treatment.

644
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,400
 You put a surface on top of the roadway.

645
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:57,400
 That's really there to preserve the underlying pavement, prevent oxidation, prevent water from penetrating it.

646
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:02,400
 So I think, you know, in some cases when you look at a roadway, you say, "Man, that really needs some work."

647
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:07,400
 For micro seal, you're really looking at smaller or moderate, you know, defects like small cracks.

648
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,400
 Maybe it was patched because a utility was cut.

649
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,400
 Those are the types of things that we would look at for micro seal.

650
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:20,400
 And I think just kind of looking at the process moving forward is making sure, like Becky said, we have a solid process to follow.

651
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,400
 It's documented well.

652
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:26,400
 And then when we push this out to the community, make sure that they understand, yes, your roadway is in good condition.

653
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:34,400
 This is a preventative measure so we can make sure that the roadway lasts as long as the -- we can extend the roadway's life as long as we can.

654
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:45,400
 Just a common thought process would be more aesthetics than the actual safety feature of the road.

655
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:49,400
 Thank you all very much. Did you have anything else?

656
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:56,400
 So I have, I guess, a question about -- so obviously 2181 is open now.

657
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:09,400
 I know I've reached out to you and also to the county tech stat engineer just with some questions about certain intersections and disability issues and whatever.

658
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:19,400
 And so I know that there's going to be kind of an ongoing process of monitoring those intersections, seeing if any other changes or adjustments need to be made.

659
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:25,400
 Obviously, that's not a city roadway, so if people have concerns about it, they should not put it in engage then.

660
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:26,400
 They can.

661
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:27,400
 Okay.

662
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,400
 So let me talk to you a little bit about that.

663
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,400
 So Travis and I, Campbell and I, the area engineer for the county have a great relationship.

664
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,400
 I'm sorry, for tech stat, have a great relationship.

665
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,400
 He and I actually talked last night.

666
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:45,400
 We typically, when we receive response from and engaged in that involves tech stat, we give specific contact information.

667
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:54,400
 What he and I discussed last night, and I'm waiting on the information because Logan needs it, is actually providing not only the contact information and telephone number,

668
00:54:54,400 --> 00:55:00,400
 they have a system similar to Engage Denton where people can submit and I'm waiting on that information.

669
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,400
 And he's working to get that over to us.

670
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:09,400
 He also has links to their standard process of projects that are either in the planning, design, or construction phase.

671
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:17,400
 When you're talking specifically about 2181, and you may or may not be aware of this, any signal within the city of Denton,

672
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:24,400
 Ethan's team through Traffic Operations and James Andrews is responsible for, that's a collaboration that we do with tech stat.

673
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:34,400
 And what I'd mentioned on 2181 is we've received a lot of feedback in regards to Cedar Creek, which is near Geyer High School, Sundown Ranch,

674
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:39,400
 and then a couple of other intersections that the questions are about median cuts and signalization.

675
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:48,400
 It even came from our own police department and our safety resource officers that are at those high schools, or at the high school I should say.

676
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:54,400
 So we've worked on some collaboration. Brett's been a part of those signal conversations also.

677
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:58,400
 And there will be some additional signals that are added in some of those locations.

678
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:05,400
 Now I say that to tell you Sundown and Cedar Creek we know for sure we're going to be adding signals too.

679
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:12,400
 There are other areas where possibilities of signals might be needed, but what we will do in coordinate with tech stat,

680
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:22,400
 and I think probably what you've heard is, we will be working through a process to evaluate the road, the safety of the road,

681
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,400
 the speed of the road, the concerns we get, the complaints if there's crash data.

682
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:33,400
 Anything that is a data resource that we can say this is not operating or functioning the way the intention was.

683
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:37,400
 And then that's where we would do evaluations of we need to look at this intersection,

684
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:43,400
 a study needs to be performed to make sure it meets warrants is what it is called for a signal.

685
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:47,400
 And so there's multiple areas throughout 2181.

686
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:54,400
 And actually I'll expand that to tell you that tech stat and ourselves will be meeting next week

687
00:56:54,400 --> 00:57:00,400
 with Brett and Ethan and several other folks to actually talk specifically about signals

688
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,400
 and areas of which we feel like there are additional signals that are needed.

689
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:07,400
 There are a couple on 2499 that have come to our mind.

690
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,400
 Brett is leading the entire program.

691
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:18,400
 So it's a collaboration and there's an actual what's called the Highway Safety Improvement Program that Brett is currently managing.

692
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:22,400
 We're single and you're aware of this because this is from RTC.

693
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,400
 But the HSIP program, we have a number of signals.

694
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:32,400
 One specific one that I know has been of interest is at Discovery Park and 77.

695
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,400
 And so we do have the signal.

696
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:38,400
 It's currently in design and Brett's leading that.

697
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:42,400
 But we will be installing a signal at that location along with four other locations.

698
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:46,400
 But I tell you that to say that those have received the funding.

699
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:47,400
 We're paying for the design.

700
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:51,400
 The construction is something TechStat pays for up until a certain extent.

701
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,400
 And then sometimes we have to kick in additional funding.

702
00:57:53,400 --> 00:58:00,400
 But the approach we're going to use this year for submitting for new Highway Safety Improvement Program projects

703
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:04,400
 is to actually involve TechStat on the areas and the PD on the areas

704
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:11,400
 of which we've seen situations that maybe require or need an additional signal or large developments.

705
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:18,400
 And we also are evaluating a list where certain developments are paying for a portion of a signal.

706
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,400
 And so they've already put in some participation.

707
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,400
 So that's something we could submit to say.

708
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,400
 And I'm just using round numbers.

709
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,400
 Development X already submitted $125,000.

710
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,400
 The signal costs $600,000.

711
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,400
 We're a fourth of the way there or whatever.

712
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:37,400
 Can we get the other funding that's needed from TechStat?

713
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:41,400
 So we've got several different areas and we're going to approach it a little bit differently this year.

714
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:42,400
 That's great.

715
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:43,400
 I'm really glad to hear that.

716
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,400
 Very comprehensive answer.

717
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:46,400
 That's fantastic.

718
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:51,400
 Any sense of so like if something that's not a signal issue.

719
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,400
 I'll trust that signal issues are in the works.

720
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:57,400
 Like, for example, someone emailed me with a concern about like a visibility issue.

721
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,400
 And I kind of just emailed that.

722
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:00,400
 And he also emailed Travis.

723
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,400
 And I think you emailed Travis Campbell about that.

724
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,400
 And TechStat did something that took care of it.

725
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:06,400
 Sure.

726
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:14,400
 Would you prefer that those types of concerns be sent in through TechStat's version of Engaged In?

727
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:18,400
 You know, I think TechStat's preference would be that the sooner they know about a concern,

728
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:23,400
 the faster they can fix something, especially if it's a project in construction.

729
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:27,400
 If I'm thinking about the one you were referring to where there were three concerns,

730
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:31,400
 TechStat's working with the city on solutions in those areas.

731
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,400
 Like a line of visibility issue?

732
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,400
 Yes, a site issue.

733
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,400
 And we actually met with them last Wednesday to go through all of those.

734
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,400
 A couple of them have already been addressed or are working to be addressed.

735
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,400
 There's one additional one that's a little bit more difficult.

736
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:49,400
 But that response has been given back by TechStat to the individual who brought that to their concern.

737
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,400
 My apologies for just asking a question that's about my personal curiosity.

738
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,400
 But what was done to address it?

739
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:55,400
 Just because I don't even know.

740
00:59:55,400 --> 01:00:00,400
 So in certain situations, if the sound wall was in the way, portions of the sound wall could be removed.

741
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:05,400
 Or if in certain situations, a lot of times the line of sight is where the stop bar is,

742
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:09,400
 because that's where cars have to go to, the stop bar might be moved up.

743
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,400
 But then we worry about the conflict with the pedestrian traffic.

744
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:17,400
 So the stop bar might be moved up, but the pedestrian traffic might have to be rerouted.

745
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:23,400
 And so I'll give you an example where we actually pushed the pedestrian traffic kind of at more of an angle

746
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:27,400
 and then brought it back across and brought it back up so that we could move the stop bar forward

747
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,400
 so you could see to get to the intersection.

748
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:34,400
 So there's intersection design that goes into those types of conversations.

749
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,400
 Okay, thank you for that.

750
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:37,400
 Of course.

751
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:38,400
 That totally answers my question.

752
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:42,400
 Okay, perfect. So anything particular that you see as a future item to bring forward?

753
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,400
 I don't think so.

754
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:48,400
 I mean, I even feel like the micro-sealed thing is fine for a Friday report for me.

755
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,400
 I agree as well.

756
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,400
 Okay, perfect.

757
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:58,400
 So then I would say if anything comes up between now and maybe the week of Thanksgiving

758
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:03,400
 or the week before Thanksgiving, then we will look to add it to the agenda.

759
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:09,400
 If not, then it might be a possibility that the November 30th meeting, we might skip the November 30th

760
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:10,400
 and have the December.

761
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:11,400
 I know you mentioned that.

762
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:12,400
 We don't have a December 1.

763
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,400
 We don't have a December 1.

764
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:19,400
 But we do have to solidify a 2022 schedule at the next meeting.

765
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,400
 So we have to have another one.

766
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:22,400
 Okay.

767
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,400
 But it may be just doing that.

768
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,400
 We're here for a question for Ben, I guess.

769
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:33,400
 Is that something that can just be done via email?

770
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,400
 It typically has to take a vote.

771
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:36,400
 Yeah.

772
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:37,400
 Okay.

773
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:38,400
 We'll come back.

774
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:40,400
 We'll come back in November.

775
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:41,400
 I'm fine with November.

776
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:45,400
 I'm probably not going to be here, but if you would press the finger.

777
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:49,400
 Well, since I have no light, I'll be here.

778
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:55,400
 We can work through that, too, if there's something that can be done fairly quick through the process.

779
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:59,400
 And, you know, of course, John can always bring an update.

780
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:03,400
 And there may be something we decide that's a topic maybe that we could bring forward.

781
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:04,400
 We'll discuss it.

782
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:09,400
 I'm thinking DCTA may also be here, but I'm not 100% on it.

783
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:10,400
 Yeah.

784
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,400
 So DCTA is trying to work to continue to bring you an update, too.

785
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:19,400
 We're working to sync up where, Councilmember McGuire, your update's not at the same time as theirs.

786
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:21,400
 So there's different.

787
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,400
 So we can work through that.

788
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,400
 So we'll see.

789
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:27,400
 And I think that that makes sense.

790
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:36,400
 And we'll make sure we bring forward the calendar, too, so that we can get the calendar set for the 2023 calendar year.

791
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,400
 It's hard to believe we're already talking about that.

792
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:40,400
 Well, then thank y'all.

793
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:45,400
 If nothing else, I know we have the calendar, ITS report, possible DCTA.

794
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:49,400
 And then we'll discuss internally if there's anything additional to bring forward.

795
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:51,400
 And we appreciate it.

796
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:56,400
 Thank you.

797
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:00,400
 Well, we will close the meeting at 1110.

798
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:01,400
 Thank you.

799
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:02,400
 Thank you, everybody.

800
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:03,400
 Thank you very much.