WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.000 - Okay, it is nine o'clock and we do have a quorum, 00:00:05.000 --> 00:00:11.520 so a call to order the public utility board meeting 00:00:11.520 --> 00:00:15.800 for the city of Denton on Monday, October 24th, 2022. 00:00:15.800 --> 00:00:19.400 The first item is presentations from members of the public. 00:00:19.400 --> 00:00:21.820 Is anyone from the public wish to speak? 00:00:21.820 --> 00:00:25.880 Seeing none, we'll move on to consent agenda. 00:00:25.880 --> 00:00:29.760 Does any board member wish to pull agenda items A through F? 00:00:29.760 --> 00:00:30.720 Mr. Rybeck. 00:00:30.720 --> 00:00:32.640 - I would like to pull agenda item C 00:00:32.640 --> 00:00:35.880 as it's related to item B in our regular order of business. 00:00:35.880 --> 00:00:37.500 - Okay, any others? 00:00:37.500 --> 00:00:42.360 Okay, seeing none, do we have approval of A, B, D, E, 00:00:42.360 --> 00:00:44.680 and F or a motion for approval? 00:00:44.680 --> 00:00:45.680 - So moved. 00:00:45.680 --> 00:00:48.520 - Okay, Larry's gonna move, Lee's gonna second. 00:00:48.520 --> 00:00:50.160 All in favor say aye. 00:00:50.160 --> 00:00:51.760 - Aye. - Opposed? 00:00:51.760 --> 00:00:52.640 Carries. - Aye. 00:00:52.640 --> 00:00:57.280 - Next item is consider approval of the October 10th, 2022 00:00:57.280 --> 00:00:59.820 minutes, were there any corrections or changes? 00:00:59.820 --> 00:01:03.160 Do we have a motion to approve those minutes? 00:01:03.160 --> 00:01:05.640 - So moved. - Barbara moves. 00:01:05.640 --> 00:01:07.880 Then seconds, all in favor say aye. 00:01:07.880 --> 00:01:09.200 - Aye. - Aye. 00:01:09.200 --> 00:01:14.200 - And the third item, item B is to discuss with Kimley 00:01:14.200 --> 00:01:18.280 Horner and Associates the design services for neighborhoods 00:01:18.280 --> 00:01:20.980 two and six for capital projects and engineering. 00:01:20.980 --> 00:01:26.640 In the amount of $5,726,000. 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:28.440 - Perfect, thank you. 00:01:28.440 --> 00:01:30.440 Let me get this pulled up really quick. 00:01:30.440 --> 00:01:38.780 - Oh, I'm sorry, I got out of order. 00:01:38.780 --> 00:01:42.120 Marcella, you didn't keep me in order. 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:42.960 Item C. 00:01:42.960 --> 00:01:44.320 - I just assumed you were doing it here, 00:01:44.320 --> 00:01:46.520 the item B, item C. 00:01:46.520 --> 00:01:50.640 - So is that okay for us to include this as item B? 00:01:50.640 --> 00:01:51.960 - I was hoping that we would, thank you. 00:01:51.960 --> 00:01:53.560 - Okay, all right, very good. 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:55.520 (laughing) 00:01:55.520 --> 00:01:56.960 Very good, go ahead. 00:01:56.960 --> 00:01:58.320 - I'll do the design phase contract 00:01:58.320 --> 00:01:59.760 and then I do have a presentation 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:02.320 for the second contract as well. 00:02:02.320 --> 00:02:06.560 So good morning board members, my name is Seth Garcia. 00:02:06.560 --> 00:02:09.040 I'm a program manager in capital projects. 00:02:09.040 --> 00:02:10.840 Today I have a brief presentation for you 00:02:10.840 --> 00:02:14.160 for the design contract for neighborhoods two and six. 00:02:14.160 --> 00:02:16.600 This project is associated with the 2019 00:02:16.600 --> 00:02:18.120 street reconstruction bond. 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:23.120 So just a brief overview of the neighborhood. 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:26.040 So neighborhood two and six does contain 118 00:02:26.040 --> 00:02:27.640 roadway segments. 00:02:27.640 --> 00:02:29.160 It's kind of balanced by the limits 00:02:29.160 --> 00:02:32.720 of Bonnie Bray on the West, University to the North, 00:02:32.720 --> 00:02:37.140 Bolivar Street on the East and Interstate 35 to the South. 00:02:37.140 --> 00:02:39.400 It is our largest package associated 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:42.840 with the 2019 street reconstruction bond program. 00:02:42.840 --> 00:02:45.800 We're looking to do roughly 56,000 linear feet 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:47.360 of roadway improvements. 00:02:47.360 --> 00:02:49.940 And then as you can see about 30,000 linear feet 00:02:49.940 --> 00:02:52.820 of water and wastewater main replacements each. 00:02:52.820 --> 00:02:55.720 We will be performing a sidewalk connectivity assessment 00:02:55.720 --> 00:02:57.160 with this project as well. 00:02:57.160 --> 00:03:00.280 So we're looking at gaps, correcting ADA ramps, 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:02.920 those sorts of things for the sidewalk connectivity. 00:03:02.920 --> 00:03:05.440 And we're also performing a street lighting photometric 00:03:05.440 --> 00:03:07.760 study to look at additional street lighting install 00:03:07.760 --> 00:03:09.560 with this package as well. 00:03:09.560 --> 00:03:12.480 And I did wanna highlight this is our second 00:03:12.480 --> 00:03:14.960 construction manager at risk project that we'll be doing. 00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:15.880 - That was my question. 00:03:15.880 --> 00:03:18.400 So when you say second construction manager 00:03:18.400 --> 00:03:21.040 at risk project, could you give us a little definition? 00:03:21.040 --> 00:03:24.320 - Yeah, so historically the city of Denton 00:03:24.320 --> 00:03:27.760 has done projects two ways either competitive seal proposal 00:03:27.760 --> 00:03:31.280 or a invitation for bid and IFB a low bid process. 00:03:31.280 --> 00:03:34.020 Construction manager at risk is actually a process 00:03:34.020 --> 00:03:37.240 where we go through an RFP stage to where we bring 00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:41.080 on our design consultant and our general contractor 00:03:41.080 --> 00:03:42.440 at the same time. 00:03:42.440 --> 00:03:44.440 Together through the design phase, 00:03:44.440 --> 00:03:46.840 we work to design that project, 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:49.320 perform construction schedule sequencing, 00:03:49.320 --> 00:03:52.440 and then we move towards a guaranteed maximum price. 00:03:52.440 --> 00:03:55.600 So the construction manager at risk is still required 00:03:55.600 --> 00:03:59.040 to competitive, excuse me, competitively bid the project 00:03:59.040 --> 00:04:02.700 to subcontractors if they wish to self-perform the work. 00:04:02.700 --> 00:04:06.160 They can choose to bid on that work as well. 00:04:06.160 --> 00:04:09.320 And then it's a best value selection process 00:04:09.320 --> 00:04:11.080 to award the different packages. 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:12.520 - I think that's gonna answer my question 00:04:12.520 --> 00:04:14.400 on the prior consent agenda item, 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:18.260 which is the general contractor pre-construction services. 00:04:18.260 --> 00:04:19.100 - Yes, sir. 00:04:19.100 --> 00:04:21.600 - So that general contractor has been selected 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:23.680 as your construction manager at risk, 00:04:23.680 --> 00:04:26.000 but not your general contractor. 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:27.800 - So they're one and the same. 00:04:27.800 --> 00:04:30.200 So he is the construction manager at risk 00:04:30.200 --> 00:04:31.520 and the general contractor, 00:04:31.520 --> 00:04:34.040 so he will oversee all of the subcontracts. 00:04:34.040 --> 00:04:37.020 He could perform different portions of the work 00:04:37.020 --> 00:04:40.760 if he competitively wins those individual packages, 00:04:40.760 --> 00:04:42.360 or he could win none of the work 00:04:42.360 --> 00:04:44.440 and essentially just be the general contractor 00:04:44.440 --> 00:04:45.740 and only receive the fee 00:04:45.740 --> 00:04:47.660 from the construction phase contract. 00:04:47.660 --> 00:04:49.200 - Okay, well, that answers my other question, 00:04:49.200 --> 00:04:52.440 which is why were you hiring them before you had a design? 00:04:52.440 --> 00:04:53.900 - So we bring them on together 00:04:53.900 --> 00:04:55.600 because the idea behind CMAR 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:57.360 is they work together as a team. 00:04:57.360 --> 00:04:59.740 So you're ultimately putting together a team 00:04:59.740 --> 00:05:02.160 that's gonna work through construction sequencing. 00:05:02.160 --> 00:05:05.840 We wanna get feedback on, we have 118 roadway segments. 00:05:05.840 --> 00:05:06.860 Where do you wanna start? 00:05:06.860 --> 00:05:09.400 What makes the most sense for the best place to start? 00:05:09.400 --> 00:05:11.180 - So it's kind of an integrated design project 00:05:11.180 --> 00:05:12.080 from that standpoint. 00:05:12.080 --> 00:05:12.960 - Absolutely. 00:05:12.960 --> 00:05:16.960 So it's really working with three brains is better than two, 00:05:16.960 --> 00:05:19.240 especially bringing on the construction piece 00:05:19.240 --> 00:05:22.680 to put together the best packages to construct. 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:24.740 And we also get open book cost modeling 00:05:24.740 --> 00:05:26.080 from them through this. 00:05:26.080 --> 00:05:27.520 - In a GMP project, right? 00:05:27.520 --> 00:05:28.400 - Exactly. 00:05:28.400 --> 00:05:31.480 So we're able, especially in all the market fluctuation 00:05:31.480 --> 00:05:33.440 we're seeing, that's been a great tool to us 00:05:33.440 --> 00:05:37.080 to see how we're actually gonna award this project 00:05:37.080 --> 00:05:38.320 in different pieces. 00:05:38.320 --> 00:05:39.400 - Okay, well, thank you very much. 00:05:39.400 --> 00:05:41.600 I think that answers my questions on both pieces. 00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:42.840 - Good, perfect. 00:05:42.840 --> 00:05:43.760 - I have another question. 00:05:43.760 --> 00:05:44.740 - Yes, sir. 00:05:44.740 --> 00:05:46.880 - So you mentioned the sidewall connectivity assessment. 00:05:46.880 --> 00:05:51.720 Is that to add ramps, repair existing? 00:05:51.720 --> 00:05:53.860 Is it adding any new sidewalks? 00:05:53.860 --> 00:05:54.700 - So it's both. 00:05:54.700 --> 00:05:55.520 - What is it? 00:05:55.520 --> 00:05:56.360 - It's both. 00:05:56.360 --> 00:05:57.960 So we're looking at existing ramps, 00:05:57.960 --> 00:06:02.080 correcting those with the actual intersections 00:06:02.080 --> 00:06:03.160 where we're working. 00:06:03.160 --> 00:06:06.200 We're looking at sidewalks running parallel to the roadways, 00:06:06.200 --> 00:06:08.760 whether or not they have deficiencies and need replacement. 00:06:08.760 --> 00:06:11.600 And then we're also doing a kind of a gap assessment. 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:13.940 Are there sections that don't have sidewalks 00:06:13.940 --> 00:06:15.680 that need sidewalks? 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:18.600 This area encompasses a lot of University of North Texas. 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:21.440 So we will already have a lot of sidewalks identified 00:06:21.440 --> 00:06:26.200 through our ADA plan that need sidewalks added to fill gaps. 00:06:26.200 --> 00:06:28.040 So those will be done with this project 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:29.740 just through different funding sources. 00:06:29.740 --> 00:06:30.940 - Okay. 00:06:30.940 --> 00:06:32.360 - Barbara had a question too. 00:06:32.360 --> 00:06:37.360 - Yeah, I wanted to ask, this is the 2019 bond issue. 00:06:37.360 --> 00:06:40.320 And considering the prices of what they are now 00:06:40.320 --> 00:06:41.940 are infinitely greater, 00:06:43.520 --> 00:06:45.620 how do you reconcile things like that? 00:06:45.620 --> 00:06:49.560 - So I may let finance speak to this a little bit too. 00:06:49.560 --> 00:06:51.320 But one of the beauties of CMAR, like I said, 00:06:51.320 --> 00:06:52.960 is there's open book cost modeling. 00:06:52.960 --> 00:06:55.580 So we're looking at things such as value engineering. 00:06:55.580 --> 00:06:59.380 One of the things we did on our first CM at risk project 00:06:59.380 --> 00:07:01.040 in Southeast in package B 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:03.480 was we actually looked at a different subgrade section 00:07:03.480 --> 00:07:06.600 than what the typical city standard was. 00:07:06.600 --> 00:07:09.840 So our engineer performed an evaluation 00:07:09.840 --> 00:07:11.320 and we are actually able to change 00:07:11.320 --> 00:07:13.800 from 12 inches of lime treated subgrade 00:07:13.800 --> 00:07:15.720 to eight inches of flake space. 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:17.880 It gave us the same roadway life 00:07:17.880 --> 00:07:20.760 and decreased the cost by about $500,000 00:07:20.760 --> 00:07:22.360 on that one package alone. 00:07:22.360 --> 00:07:24.080 So we use different things like that 00:07:24.080 --> 00:07:26.140 to find savings within the program. 00:07:26.140 --> 00:07:28.920 That is one of the benefits of CMAR. 00:07:28.920 --> 00:07:31.120 Like I said, we look at value engineering ideas 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:32.940 from the construction manager. 00:07:32.940 --> 00:07:35.680 We vet those through our internal stakeholders 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:37.840 and through the design engineer 00:07:37.840 --> 00:07:40.200 to make sure we have savings. 00:07:40.200 --> 00:07:42.460 As far as overall project funding, 00:07:42.460 --> 00:07:45.640 we're utilizing some funds from the street fund 00:07:45.640 --> 00:07:48.640 to help supplement the 2019 bond program. 00:07:48.640 --> 00:07:50.880 And so far that has been sufficient enough 00:07:50.880 --> 00:07:52.780 to cover our costs to date. 00:07:52.780 --> 00:07:55.680 - Thank you, Devin. 00:07:55.680 --> 00:08:00.320 - A follow up regarding the sidewalk connectivity question. 00:08:00.320 --> 00:08:02.400 Are you only evaluating the streets 00:08:02.400 --> 00:08:03.960 where you're doing other work 00:08:03.960 --> 00:08:07.880 or are you actually evaluating the entire neighborhood? 00:08:07.880 --> 00:08:09.940 - So we're only working on the streets 00:08:09.940 --> 00:08:11.320 where we're actually doing work. 00:08:11.320 --> 00:08:12.800 If we were to go through 00:08:12.800 --> 00:08:15.960 and identify all of the sidewalks within the neighborhood, 00:08:15.960 --> 00:08:17.240 the entire neighborhood, 00:08:17.240 --> 00:08:19.480 our scope would grow to a point 00:08:19.480 --> 00:08:21.920 to where it wouldn't really make sense 00:08:21.920 --> 00:08:23.040 with our projects to do this. 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:25.760 So we're really focusing on the streets that we're touching, 00:08:25.760 --> 00:08:29.080 kind of that holistic overview of those segments 00:08:29.080 --> 00:08:32.520 and then looking at different ADA and sidewalk packages 00:08:32.520 --> 00:08:34.840 for the streets that we may not be impacting. 00:08:34.840 --> 00:08:37.960 - Okay, and this area not only has the university, 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:39.300 which has a lot of pedestrian traffic, 00:08:39.300 --> 00:08:41.840 but it also has several schools 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:43.920 that are moving in the next few years. 00:08:43.920 --> 00:08:45.280 - Absolutely. - And that's gonna impact 00:08:45.280 --> 00:08:46.380 where that foot traffic is. 00:08:46.380 --> 00:08:49.080 Like right now, Newton Raiser is on Alice 00:08:49.080 --> 00:08:50.800 and it will soon be on Fulton. 00:08:50.800 --> 00:08:51.640 - Correct. 00:08:51.640 --> 00:08:54.840 - There are lots and lots of ADA ramps on Alice, 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:56.820 but unfortunately Fulton is not, 00:08:56.820 --> 00:08:58.840 not Alice, I'm sorry, Malone, 00:08:58.840 --> 00:09:01.160 but unfortunately Fulton doesn't appear to be 00:09:01.160 --> 00:09:04.920 on the plan here, so. 00:09:04.920 --> 00:09:07.520 - And I'd just like to mention, 00:09:07.520 --> 00:09:09.400 I'm Becky Davini, the city engineer. 00:09:09.400 --> 00:09:11.840 We actually have a meeting today with DISD. 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:13.880 It's a three hour long work session 00:09:13.880 --> 00:09:17.140 between planning, engineering, development services 00:09:17.140 --> 00:09:18.680 to talk about these future projects, 00:09:18.680 --> 00:09:20.880 but we meet monthly with the school district 00:09:20.880 --> 00:09:22.800 and talk about where they're moving. 00:09:22.800 --> 00:09:25.280 We know Newton Raiser moving, Calhoun's moving, 00:09:25.280 --> 00:09:26.920 Denton High School's already moved. 00:09:26.920 --> 00:09:28.680 So there's a lot of other things that go into it 00:09:28.680 --> 00:09:30.480 besides just the sidewalks. 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:32.640 I mean, school zones need to be relocated. 00:09:32.640 --> 00:09:34.480 There's multiple things that Brett Bouchois, 00:09:34.480 --> 00:09:36.380 who's gonna make a presentation in a minute, 00:09:36.380 --> 00:09:38.420 our deputy city engineer, his engineering team 00:09:38.420 --> 00:09:41.020 is a part of making sure those things are happening. 00:09:41.020 --> 00:09:44.880 - Yes, go ahead, Larry. 00:09:44.880 --> 00:09:45.840 - Thanks, Chair. 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:48.520 I didn't hear you mention anything about cycling lanes. 00:09:48.520 --> 00:09:50.120 Are they part of this project? 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:52.560 - So that is something that we evaluate. 00:09:52.560 --> 00:09:54.760 There are a few roadway segments that we're touching 00:09:54.760 --> 00:09:56.280 that do have existing bike lanes. 00:09:56.280 --> 00:10:00.460 So Welch, I believe portions of Scripture 00:10:00.460 --> 00:10:03.080 have some bike lanes further to the west 00:10:03.080 --> 00:10:04.640 of where we're looking at. 00:10:04.640 --> 00:10:06.480 That is something that we do evaluate. 00:10:06.480 --> 00:10:07.600 - And these will be new lanes 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:09.480 or just upgrading existing lanes? 00:10:09.480 --> 00:10:11.020 - So potentially both. 00:10:11.020 --> 00:10:12.920 We kind of leave it as an open book 00:10:12.920 --> 00:10:15.960 going into the project to see what funding we'll allow for 00:10:15.960 --> 00:10:19.240 with the different funding sources that we can pull from. 00:10:19.240 --> 00:10:21.800 Also making sure that we have the roadway with 00:10:21.800 --> 00:10:24.840 to be able to accommodate a new bike lane 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:26.280 or making sure we're putting improvements 00:10:26.280 --> 00:10:28.640 to protect the existing bike lanes. 00:10:28.640 --> 00:10:29.480 - Okay, thank you. 00:10:29.480 --> 00:10:30.720 - Yes, sir. 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:31.560 - All right. 00:10:31.560 --> 00:10:32.380 - Okay. 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:36.840 So a quick breakdown of the design costs. 00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:39.480 So we broke this into two kind of separate packages. 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:41.460 The first being a lump sum package. 00:10:41.460 --> 00:10:43.660 That is our preliminary and final design 00:10:43.660 --> 00:10:46.160 for the roadway and utilities. 00:10:46.160 --> 00:10:47.360 Also our data collection. 00:10:47.360 --> 00:10:51.320 So Topo survey, our geotechnical analysis 00:10:51.320 --> 00:10:53.840 and our illumination art that photometric study 00:10:53.840 --> 00:10:56.040 is also included as a lump sum cost. 00:10:56.040 --> 00:10:59.360 Our hourly additional services include project management, 00:10:59.360 --> 00:11:01.240 all those coordination meetings with the city 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:03.700 and the construction manager at risk. 00:11:04.720 --> 00:11:07.880 Hours for our consultant to be at our public meetings 00:11:07.880 --> 00:11:09.220 to answer questions. 00:11:09.220 --> 00:11:12.720 Level B and Level A Sue, the actual illumination design 00:11:12.720 --> 00:11:15.580 and then of course our construction phase services as well. 00:11:15.580 --> 00:11:18.880 So this contract will take everything on the design side 00:11:18.880 --> 00:11:21.240 through the entire portions of the project. 00:11:21.240 --> 00:11:24.040 - A quick question. 00:11:24.040 --> 00:11:24.880 - Yes, sir. 00:11:24.880 --> 00:11:28.120 - In the hourly services, you're including record drawings? 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:28.960 - Correct. 00:11:28.960 --> 00:11:30.880 - Isn't that part of design service? 00:11:30.880 --> 00:11:31.700 - It is. 00:11:31.700 --> 00:11:35.000 - So record drawings are actually a second piece to it. 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:37.880 So we'll receive red lines from the actual contractor 00:11:37.880 --> 00:11:42.080 and then they will make those two conformed as bills. 00:11:42.080 --> 00:11:44.120 Exactly, correct. 00:11:44.120 --> 00:11:44.960 That is correct. 00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:46.720 Good question. 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:47.960 - Yes, very good question. 00:11:47.960 --> 00:11:52.540 - So in total, our contract value is just over 5.7 million. 00:11:52.540 --> 00:11:56.440 So quickly for the project schedule, 00:11:56.440 --> 00:11:57.520 with y'all's approval today, 00:11:57.520 --> 00:12:00.800 we'll seek council approval for the design contract 00:12:00.800 --> 00:12:03.360 and the CMAR contract on November 1st. 00:12:03.360 --> 00:12:06.880 We are anticipating our first construction packages to GMP 00:12:06.880 --> 00:12:10.000 and be ready sometime around quarter one, 2024. 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:12.280 And then of course we are trying to wrap up 00:12:12.280 --> 00:12:16.080 all of the 2019 street reconstruction bond projects 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:18.200 by Q4 of 2026. 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:19.680 So this project being the biggest 00:12:19.680 --> 00:12:22.760 is spanning the longest timeframe. 00:12:22.760 --> 00:12:24.880 So we've got about four years to construct, 00:12:24.880 --> 00:12:28.400 design and construct all 118 roadway segments. 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:33.960 So with that staff recommends adoption of the ordinance 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:35.720 with the city of Denton and Kimley horn 00:12:35.720 --> 00:12:38.120 for a little over 5.7 million. 00:12:38.120 --> 00:12:39.080 - Okay, thank you. 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:39.920 Other questions? 00:12:39.920 --> 00:12:41.720 - I'm happy to answer any more questions. 00:12:41.720 --> 00:12:45.180 - Yes, go ahead. 00:12:45.180 --> 00:12:47.880 - I would like to move that we accept item B 00:12:47.880 --> 00:12:50.240 from the individual agenda and item C 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:51.580 from the consent agenda. 00:12:51.580 --> 00:12:54.720 - We have to do two different stuff. 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:55.720 - We cannot do them together? 00:12:55.720 --> 00:13:00.720 - No, so you'd like to move to approve consent item C. 00:13:01.720 --> 00:13:03.120 - And do we have a second? 00:13:03.120 --> 00:13:04.040 Everybody's seconding? 00:13:04.040 --> 00:13:05.520 All in favor say aye. 00:13:05.520 --> 00:13:06.840 - Aye. 00:13:06.840 --> 00:13:09.080 - Okay, do we have a motion to approve 00:13:09.080 --> 00:13:11.420 the individual consideration item B? 00:13:11.420 --> 00:13:12.320 - Move that. 00:13:12.320 --> 00:13:13.160 - Second. 00:13:13.160 --> 00:13:15.260 - And Lee seconds, Ben moved. 00:13:15.260 --> 00:13:18.280 Larry second or Lee second, all in favor say aye. 00:13:18.280 --> 00:13:19.280 - Aye. 00:13:19.280 --> 00:13:20.360 - Carries. 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:21.200 - Thank y'all. 00:13:21.200 --> 00:13:22.160 - Thank you. 00:13:22.160 --> 00:13:23.000 Thank you, Marcel. 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:29.800 Next is item C, contract with Mountain Cascade of Texas LLC 00:13:30.160 --> 00:13:33.160 for the construction of 35 E Mayhill Utility 00:13:33.160 --> 00:13:36.160 Relocations Project in the amount of $15,897.15. 00:13:36.160 --> 00:13:42.640 15 cents. 00:13:42.640 --> 00:13:44.960 - Good morning council. 00:13:44.960 --> 00:13:45.800 I'm Robin Davis. 00:13:45.800 --> 00:13:48.560 I'm a project manager for Capital Projects. 00:13:48.560 --> 00:13:51.400 And today we are asking you to approve the contract 00:13:51.400 --> 00:13:54.620 with Mountain Cascade to relocate the water 00:13:54.620 --> 00:13:57.800 and wastewater utilities along the I-35 corridor 00:13:57.800 --> 00:14:01.360 between Mayhill and Loop 288. 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:07.980 So recently, TxDOT has acquired right away in the area 00:14:07.980 --> 00:14:10.840 so they can expand and widen I-35. 00:14:10.840 --> 00:14:14.400 So it is our responsibility to move our utilities 00:14:14.400 --> 00:14:15.400 out of their way. 00:14:15.400 --> 00:14:18.040 And so this is a reimbursement project 00:14:18.040 --> 00:14:20.640 that they will be re-reimbursing us for as well. 00:14:20.640 --> 00:14:27.120 We pre-qualified three bidders for the project 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:30.140 so we could meet their anticipated schedule. 00:14:30.140 --> 00:14:34.100 And we submitted the project to these three bidders 00:14:34.100 --> 00:14:35.000 that were pre-qualified 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:37.000 and the low bidder was Mountain Cascade. 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:42.920 So the project schedule would be, 00:14:42.920 --> 00:14:44.040 if you guys approve this today, 00:14:44.040 --> 00:14:47.920 we'll go to council for approval on November 1st. 00:14:47.920 --> 00:14:51.260 We anticipate giving them a partial notice to proceed 00:14:51.260 --> 00:14:53.880 so they can begin ordering materials. 00:14:53.880 --> 00:14:56.920 That is allowed through the TxDOT reimbursement agreement 00:14:56.920 --> 00:14:59.120 we just can't allow them to actually start construction 00:14:59.120 --> 00:15:03.720 onsite until the standard utility agreement 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:06.600 is fully executed by both the city and TxDOT. 00:15:06.600 --> 00:15:10.080 So we anticipate giving them a partial notice to proceed. 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:12.520 Once council approves it in November 1st 00:15:12.520 --> 00:15:14.280 and then in December, 00:15:14.280 --> 00:15:17.040 once it's fully executed with the city and TxDOT, 00:15:17.040 --> 00:15:19.040 then we'll issue them a full notice to proceed 00:15:19.040 --> 00:15:21.880 so they can begin construction in early January. 00:15:21.880 --> 00:15:23.880 And we expect the project to be complete 00:15:23.880 --> 00:15:28.880 in September of 2023, right in time for them to let I-35. 00:15:28.880 --> 00:15:32.560 So with the 5% contingency, 00:15:32.560 --> 00:15:35.640 we expect a total estimated construction costs 00:15:35.640 --> 00:15:36.880 of right at 15 million. 00:15:36.880 --> 00:15:41.640 And with that, we just hope that you guys 00:15:41.640 --> 00:15:43.120 will approve this contract. 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:44.600 The staff recommends it. 00:15:44.600 --> 00:15:45.560 - Questions? 00:15:45.560 --> 00:15:46.400 Go ahead, Devin. 00:15:46.400 --> 00:15:51.040 - So what portion of this is paid by TxDOT 00:15:51.040 --> 00:15:52.680 and what portion is paid by-- 00:15:52.680 --> 00:15:56.720 - So all of it is paid by TxDOT except for the betterment, 00:15:56.720 --> 00:16:00.240 which we are upgrading a portion of the 20-inch, 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:02.200 well, actually all of the 20-inch 00:16:02.200 --> 00:16:04.520 to the 24-inch water line 00:16:04.520 --> 00:16:08.240 in anticipation of our ever-growing city and needs. 00:16:08.240 --> 00:16:12.680 And so the estimated cost of that is right around 747,000. 00:16:12.680 --> 00:16:14.480 And that's the part that the portion 00:16:14.480 --> 00:16:16.960 that the city will be responsible for. 00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:19.520 - And we recently had some updates 00:16:19.520 --> 00:16:23.000 on the upcoming sewer master plan. 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:26.680 Does this area have any of the sewer lines 00:16:26.680 --> 00:16:28.480 that run over to the Hickory Creek area 00:16:28.480 --> 00:16:30.560 or are they in a different location? 00:16:30.560 --> 00:16:31.720 - I believe the Hickory Creek area 00:16:31.720 --> 00:16:32.720 would be a different location. 00:16:32.720 --> 00:16:34.520 This is between Mayhill and Loop 288. 00:16:34.520 --> 00:16:37.360 I think Hickory Creek is further south. 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:39.520 - Right, from the lift station on Hickory Creek. 00:16:39.520 --> 00:16:41.640 I mean, there's a line, a major line 00:16:41.640 --> 00:16:44.000 that runs from the lift station on Hickory Creek 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:47.440 up to the current wastewater treatment plant. 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:48.360 I didn't know if that was-- 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:50.880 - So what we're relocating is in the same area. 00:16:50.880 --> 00:16:53.200 It would still feed and go to the same places, 00:16:53.200 --> 00:16:55.080 except we're just replacing it with a new line. 00:16:55.080 --> 00:16:57.520 So I don't know if that answers your question, but-- 00:16:57.520 --> 00:17:00.120 - Okay, so it doesn't sound like the sewer is impacted. 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:02.080 Thank you. - Okay. 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:03.440 - Go ahead, Lee. - Yes, sir. 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:05.040 - I just have a quick question. 00:17:05.040 --> 00:17:08.280 So there's gonna be more expansion on I-35 00:17:08.280 --> 00:17:10.160 or is this in relation to the expansion 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:12.040 that just was finished? 00:17:12.040 --> 00:17:13.320 - No, there's more. 00:17:13.320 --> 00:17:15.400 - More expansion, thank you. 00:17:15.400 --> 00:17:16.240 - Always. 00:17:17.320 --> 00:17:19.920 - I-35's been under construction for 40 years. 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:21.240 - Yeah. - Oh, longer. 00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:23.800 Not since '69. - Okay, oh, okay. 00:17:23.800 --> 00:17:24.880 (laughing) 00:17:24.880 --> 00:17:25.720 Go ahead. 00:17:25.720 --> 00:17:29.880 - Oh, just wanted to mention to that point, 00:17:29.880 --> 00:17:33.400 this is only one of four contracts we'll be bringing forward. 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:36.280 I-35 is going to have expansion and widen 00:17:36.280 --> 00:17:37.680 not only from Mayhill, 00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:39.400 but all the way north to the county line. 00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:42.200 So Robin's just delivering the first phase 00:17:42.200 --> 00:17:43.880 of many phases of projects 00:17:43.880 --> 00:17:46.520 that the utilities are going to be relocated. 00:17:46.520 --> 00:17:49.440 We're going as far north as Milam Road. 00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:53.000 - Wow, go ahead, Ben. 00:17:53.000 --> 00:17:55.960 - Yeah, so I was wondering specifically 00:17:55.960 --> 00:17:57.240 what side of the highway, 00:17:57.240 --> 00:18:02.200 maybe businesses would be impacted, that sort of thing? 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:04.520 - So there were some businesses impacted. 00:18:04.520 --> 00:18:06.960 We were going through parking lots like Chewy's, 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:10.720 places like that, but we've already acquired that right away 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:12.160 or the easements that was needed 00:18:12.160 --> 00:18:13.640 and made those arrangements with them. 00:18:13.640 --> 00:18:14.920 So that's all been taken care of 00:18:14.920 --> 00:18:19.400 and TxDOT reimburses us for those costs as well. 00:18:19.400 --> 00:18:20.240 - Okay. 00:18:20.240 --> 00:18:23.240 - Are we experiencing the same 00:18:23.240 --> 00:18:28.640 shortages of materials that we're seeing everywhere else? 00:18:28.640 --> 00:18:31.480 Okay, so allowing them to go ahead and acquire-- 00:18:31.480 --> 00:18:33.520 - That was the reason for the partial notice to proceed, 00:18:33.520 --> 00:18:35.120 so they could go ahead and get a jumpstart 00:18:35.120 --> 00:18:36.280 on ordering those materials. 00:18:36.280 --> 00:18:38.240 - Good, that was my question. 00:18:38.240 --> 00:18:39.600 All right, other questions? 00:18:39.600 --> 00:18:41.440 - Yes, Barbara. 00:18:41.440 --> 00:18:45.320 Do you have an idea that the county's got a bond thing 00:18:45.320 --> 00:18:48.920 to vote on now for this election? 00:18:48.920 --> 00:18:53.720 Where is the projected 288 coming into? 00:18:53.720 --> 00:18:57.200 It's somehow along there. 00:18:57.200 --> 00:18:58.640 - I believe, are you talking about 00:18:58.640 --> 00:19:00.600 the north end of loop 288? 00:19:00.600 --> 00:19:02.200 I believe that's gonna come out, 00:19:02.200 --> 00:19:04.840 it's gonna just connect where loop 288 ends now 00:19:04.840 --> 00:19:06.600 and I believe it's gonna come out over by 00:19:06.600 --> 00:19:08.880 like the Ponder exit, is that right? 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:09.720 - Yeah. - Yeah. 00:19:09.720 --> 00:19:12.880 - Okay, but there's not a further loop on that. 00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:14.040 - Not that I'm aware of. 00:19:14.040 --> 00:19:15.320 - Okay, thank you. 00:19:15.320 --> 00:19:17.480 - All right. 00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:21.000 Do we have a motion to approve item C? 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:23.720 Lee is moving. 00:19:23.720 --> 00:19:25.160 - I'll second. 00:19:25.160 --> 00:19:27.160 - Barbara second, all in favor say aye. 00:19:27.160 --> 00:19:28.720 - Aye. - Aye. 00:19:28.720 --> 00:19:30.240 - Thank you. 00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:31.080 Item D. 00:19:31.080 --> 00:19:32.960 - All right, I don't know how to get out of this. 00:19:32.960 --> 00:19:34.520 - So Madam Chair and members of the PB, 00:19:34.520 --> 00:19:36.840 so for your management reports, 00:19:36.840 --> 00:19:39.760 we did include a dashboard, two dashboards 00:19:39.760 --> 00:19:42.200 for June and July for the DEC. 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:44.960 Finance department is here, they've submitted that to you 00:19:44.960 --> 00:19:46.720 if you have any questions on that. 00:19:46.720 --> 00:19:49.800 - Questions? 00:19:49.800 --> 00:19:50.640 - Nope. - Okay. 00:19:50.640 --> 00:19:54.040 - All right, so going to your future agenda items 00:19:54.040 --> 00:19:55.680 and also the new business items, 00:19:55.680 --> 00:19:58.760 I did wanna point out that we have moved 00:19:58.760 --> 00:20:02.120 the Green Sense program update to January 00:20:02.120 --> 00:20:05.000 and the reason for that is that we did go 00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:06.480 to the sustainability committee, 00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:08.440 there was a number of questions that they had, 00:20:08.440 --> 00:20:09.760 we are planning to go back to them, 00:20:09.760 --> 00:20:11.640 I certainly wanna be respectful of the committee 00:20:11.640 --> 00:20:14.160 and make sure that we kind of vet things out to them 00:20:14.160 --> 00:20:15.480 before we come to you, 00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:16.960 so that way when we come to you, 00:20:16.960 --> 00:20:18.520 we'll have their recommendation, 00:20:18.520 --> 00:20:20.880 we'll provide any backup that we provided to them to you, 00:20:20.880 --> 00:20:23.320 I already sent the backup to you this morning, 00:20:23.320 --> 00:20:24.840 or I will send it to you this morning, 00:20:24.840 --> 00:20:28.560 what we sent to them in the initial presentation. 00:20:28.560 --> 00:20:30.440 Within that presentation, there is an ISR 00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:33.760 that does address some of the questions that you had, 00:20:33.760 --> 00:20:37.120 certainly Mr. Beck and so if there's any questions on that, 00:20:37.120 --> 00:20:38.640 please feel free to reach out to me, 00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:43.480 but with that, no other changes to the items, 00:20:43.480 --> 00:20:45.480 happy to answer any questions you may have. 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:48.880 - I don't see any questions. 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:51.320 All right, so concluding items, 00:20:51.320 --> 00:20:54.360 does any board member wish to have anything 00:20:54.360 --> 00:20:55.720 put on a future agenda item 00:20:55.720 --> 00:20:57.960 or have anything to say to the public? 00:20:57.960 --> 00:20:59.240 Mr. Rybak. - I have a question, 00:20:59.240 --> 00:21:01.160 Madam Chairman. - Okay. 00:21:01.160 --> 00:21:03.840 - I'm looking forward to those dates on the future agenda. 00:21:03.840 --> 00:21:07.800 We have some dates upcoming in November and December. 00:21:07.800 --> 00:21:10.720 The December meeting, second December meeting 00:21:10.720 --> 00:21:13.840 would occur on the Monday following Christmas, 00:21:13.840 --> 00:21:16.320 which is the observed holiday. 00:21:16.320 --> 00:21:19.800 And next month, our meeting, fourth meeting, 00:21:19.800 --> 00:21:23.480 or fourth Monday is the Monday after Thanksgiving. 00:21:23.480 --> 00:21:25.280 Are we planning to have those meetings? 00:21:25.280 --> 00:21:29.120 - We typically only have the second Monday 00:21:29.120 --> 00:21:30.680 in November and December. 00:21:30.680 --> 00:21:31.520 - Thank you. - That's what 00:21:31.520 --> 00:21:33.400 our schedule is saying right now. 00:21:33.400 --> 00:21:34.240 - Very good, thank you. 00:21:34.240 --> 00:21:35.440 Well, this shows up on my calendar 00:21:35.440 --> 00:21:37.080 that I saw that day that reminded me. 00:21:37.080 --> 00:21:37.920 - Oh, okay. - Thank you. 00:21:37.920 --> 00:21:39.120 - The second Monday? 00:21:39.120 --> 00:21:40.680 - So it'll be the, 00:21:40.680 --> 00:21:46.200 our next PUB board meeting is November 14th, 00:21:46.200 --> 00:21:48.880 and then we have one on December 12th. 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:51.880 Did I, I said that right? 00:21:51.880 --> 00:21:53.800 Yeah, it's the second Monday. 00:21:53.800 --> 00:21:55.560 - We'll have, Kim will take a look at them 00:21:55.560 --> 00:21:57.520 and if they're still on your calendar, 00:21:57.520 --> 00:21:58.720 she'll get them removed. 00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:01.040 - Okay. 00:22:01.040 --> 00:22:04.200 All right, then we'll move into the work session. 00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:06.240 The first one is receive a report, 00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:08.160 hold a discussion and give staff direction 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:12.080 regarding the water and wastewater impact study fee, 00:22:12.080 --> 00:22:14.080 impact fee study. 00:22:14.080 --> 00:22:15.760 - It's kind of a tongue twister. 00:22:15.760 --> 00:22:17.520 Good morning, Chair, PUB members, 00:22:17.520 --> 00:22:20.040 Nick Benson, Assistant Director of Finance. 00:22:20.040 --> 00:22:21.440 Wanted to do a really quick introduction. 00:22:21.440 --> 00:22:23.160 I'll turn it over to our consultants 00:22:23.160 --> 00:22:25.080 helping us update this study. 00:22:25.080 --> 00:22:27.560 So we do have April here with us from Kimberly Horn. 00:22:27.560 --> 00:22:29.400 - Good morning. - We have John here with us, 00:22:29.400 --> 00:22:31.960 sitting right here, just wave your hand, John, there you go. 00:22:31.960 --> 00:22:34.160 Then Trent, Trent's sitting over here also. 00:22:34.160 --> 00:22:36.520 So great individuals to work with. 00:22:36.520 --> 00:22:37.960 They've been working with us about a month 00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:39.440 to update this study. 00:22:39.440 --> 00:22:41.600 Definitely have a good presentation for you today. 00:22:41.600 --> 00:22:44.480 So if you have questions, please let them know. 00:22:44.480 --> 00:22:45.600 I can return to the podium 00:22:45.600 --> 00:22:47.000 if there's something else you have a question on 00:22:47.000 --> 00:22:49.760 or of course we have water people here also. 00:22:49.760 --> 00:22:52.880 So let me get the presentation pulled up really quick. 00:22:59.640 --> 00:23:02.800 Okay, April, come on up and I'll get it ready for you. 00:23:02.800 --> 00:23:07.000 Okay, there's a keyboard here if you need it, 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:08.320 otherwise you can just click. 00:23:08.320 --> 00:23:09.160 - Thank you. 00:23:09.160 --> 00:23:11.880 Public utility board, 00:23:11.880 --> 00:23:14.280 thank you for this opportunity to speak to you today. 00:23:14.280 --> 00:23:17.000 We have a water and wastewater impact fee study update. 00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:18.960 This is the very start. 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:21.040 From an outline perspective, 00:23:21.040 --> 00:23:23.800 we will provide an objective, 00:23:23.800 --> 00:23:25.800 run through some impact fee basics, 00:23:25.800 --> 00:23:28.200 as well as the capital improvements advisory committee, 00:23:28.200 --> 00:23:31.560 the service area update and a few next steps coming up. 00:23:31.560 --> 00:23:34.080 So as far as our objective today, 00:23:34.080 --> 00:23:36.840 we really want to provide an overview 00:23:36.840 --> 00:23:39.400 of the capital improvements advisory committee, 00:23:39.400 --> 00:23:43.600 as well as present upcoming updates to the impact fee study 00:23:43.600 --> 00:23:47.360 related to the service areas for water and wastewater. 00:23:47.360 --> 00:23:48.880 So some of the basics. 00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:50.720 When it comes to an impact fee study, 00:23:50.720 --> 00:23:52.880 some of the components that are included 00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:55.960 include taking analysis of a service area, 00:23:55.960 --> 00:23:59.680 then leading into land use assumptions related to growth, 00:23:59.680 --> 00:24:02.080 then calculating service units, 00:24:02.080 --> 00:24:04.800 as well as analyzing capital improvements plan 00:24:04.800 --> 00:24:07.640 and identifying an impact fee capital improvements plan, 00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:10.920 and finally concluding with an impact fee calculation. 00:24:10.920 --> 00:24:12.320 For today's presentation, 00:24:12.320 --> 00:24:15.480 we'll be focusing on the service areas alone. 00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:18.800 Chapter 395's definition for an impact fee, 00:24:18.800 --> 00:24:21.640 it is essentially a one-time fee for future development. 00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:25.600 It is a mechanism to recover infrastructure costs 00:24:25.600 --> 00:24:28.120 required to serve the future development. 00:24:28.120 --> 00:24:32.080 From a general funding perspective, 00:24:32.080 --> 00:24:34.640 impact fees is another mechanism 00:24:34.640 --> 00:24:37.520 to recover costs related to infrastructure. 00:24:37.520 --> 00:24:39.200 So you can have water and sewer rates, 00:24:39.200 --> 00:24:42.240 private sector participation, and finally impact fees. 00:24:42.240 --> 00:24:46.360 However, impact fees are associated with infrastructure 00:24:46.360 --> 00:24:48.360 necessitated only by new growth, 00:24:48.360 --> 00:24:50.880 and that's what it can be applied to. 00:24:50.880 --> 00:24:55.000 So items that cannot be payable through impact fees. 00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:57.680 What can be paid for through an impact fee program 00:24:57.680 --> 00:25:00.360 include construction costs for the capital improvements plan 00:25:00.360 --> 00:25:02.160 that's identified in the study, 00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:04.160 and this can include, of course, on the roadway side, 00:25:04.160 --> 00:25:06.280 any thoroughfare plans for water, 00:25:06.280 --> 00:25:09.680 we're looking at up-sized water and wastewater lines, 00:25:09.680 --> 00:25:11.680 as well as survey and engineering fees, 00:25:11.680 --> 00:25:14.280 land acquisition costs, and even planning studies 00:25:14.280 --> 00:25:16.680 such as the impact fee study itself. 00:25:16.680 --> 00:25:19.360 What cannot be paid for through impact fees 00:25:19.360 --> 00:25:22.880 are administrative costs such as staff time, 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:25.400 or if not, upgrades to serve existing development. 00:25:25.400 --> 00:25:27.760 Once again, this is all related to new growth. 00:25:27.760 --> 00:25:32.680 So benefits to developers when it comes to impact fees. 00:25:32.680 --> 00:25:34.720 For one, it is equitable, 00:25:34.720 --> 00:25:38.040 meaning barring existing ordinances that are in place, 00:25:38.040 --> 00:25:40.520 the development itself pays an equal fee, 00:25:40.520 --> 00:25:44.200 whether it's first to develop or last to develop. 00:25:44.200 --> 00:25:45.880 It is also predictable. 00:25:45.880 --> 00:25:48.040 The fee schedules are generally uploaded online, 00:25:48.040 --> 00:25:51.440 so therefore, developers can also rely on the study itself 00:25:51.440 --> 00:25:55.680 to make decisions about when, where, and what to build. 00:25:55.680 --> 00:25:57.880 It also ensures the accountability. 00:25:57.880 --> 00:26:00.160 State law requires that impact fees 00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:02.560 are spent within a certain amount of time, 00:26:02.560 --> 00:26:04.480 as well as, or if not, it will be refunded 00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:06.160 to those property owners. 00:26:06.160 --> 00:26:07.800 And it's also proportional. 00:26:07.800 --> 00:26:10.200 It is directly related to the amount of demand 00:26:10.200 --> 00:26:13.280 that's generated by that said development. 00:26:13.280 --> 00:26:18.000 So the role of the Capital Improvements Advisory Committee 00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:21.120 from Chapter 395 has a local government, 00:26:21.120 --> 00:26:24.480 it's the local government code that requires the city 00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:27.280 to establish the Capital Improvements Advisory Committee 00:26:27.280 --> 00:26:29.640 when updating impact fees. 00:26:29.640 --> 00:26:31.680 Since 2003, the city of Denton 00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:34.160 has appointed the Planning and Zoning Commission 00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:37.040 and one ad hoc member from the Extraterritorial, 00:26:37.040 --> 00:26:40.880 if bless you, jurisdiction to serve as the CIAC. 00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:42.880 So the Planning and Zoning Commission 00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:44.600 may act as that advisory committee 00:26:44.600 --> 00:26:46.640 if it meets these particular items. 00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:49.040 So for one, the commission must include 00:26:49.040 --> 00:26:53.080 at least one representative of the real estate development 00:26:53.080 --> 00:26:55.800 or building industries who are not employees 00:26:55.800 --> 00:26:59.400 of the political subdivision or the governmental entity, 00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:00.880 as well as one representative 00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:04.000 of the Extraterritorial jurisdiction, the ETJ. 00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:07.040 So currently, the existing Planning and Zoning Commission 00:27:07.040 --> 00:27:09.160 meets these requirements listed above, 00:27:09.160 --> 00:27:11.720 except for one representative of the ETJ, 00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:13.720 which we will discuss in our next steps. 00:27:13.720 --> 00:27:16.680 So the Capital Improvements Advisory Committee 00:27:16.680 --> 00:27:20.680 is tasked to review and provide comments to city council 00:27:20.680 --> 00:27:23.680 and the public utility boards on the land use assumptions, 00:27:23.680 --> 00:27:25.400 the Impact V Capital Improvements Plan, 00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:27.200 as well as the impact fees. 00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:30.440 And in between that time, during the future updates, 00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:33.720 since the impact fee study is itself required by law 00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:36.640 to be updated every five years, which is why we're here, 00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:40.840 it is also tasked to monitor and evaluate the Impact VCIP, 00:27:40.840 --> 00:27:42.880 as well as file semi-annual reports 00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:46.040 and advise as needed on revisions. 00:27:46.040 --> 00:27:49.280 Now, the Public Utilities Board, as well as the city council, 00:27:49.280 --> 00:27:51.720 will then review the same documents 00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:53.600 and also consider comments provided 00:27:53.600 --> 00:27:55.360 by the advisory committee, 00:27:55.360 --> 00:27:57.320 and finally consider any recommended updates 00:27:57.320 --> 00:27:59.680 between those five-year updates in time. 00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:03.400 So as part of our objective, 00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:05.000 we're reviewing the service area breakdown, 00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:06.840 and we're giving you a few updates. 00:28:06.840 --> 00:28:08.880 A service area establishes the boundary 00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:11.840 to which funds can be collected and specifies areas 00:28:11.840 --> 00:28:14.800 to be served by the Impact VCIP. 00:28:14.800 --> 00:28:16.760 Now, these funds are collected, 00:28:16.760 --> 00:28:20.000 and they must be spent within that said service area 00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:21.760 within 10 years. 00:28:21.760 --> 00:28:25.760 In 2018, these are the existing service areas. 00:28:25.760 --> 00:28:28.320 For wastewater, it's one single service area, 00:28:28.320 --> 00:28:30.560 and for water, three separate service areas. 00:28:30.560 --> 00:28:33.880 You had your inner city core area, the surrounding, 00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:35.320 which is 1B, and then 2, 00:28:35.320 --> 00:28:38.280 which is the southwest regional growth. 00:28:38.280 --> 00:28:41.560 So updates that are coming through, 00:28:41.560 --> 00:28:43.600 and we're gonna kind of walk through each of this. 00:28:43.600 --> 00:28:46.320 Currently, what's shown here are the existing city limits, 00:28:46.320 --> 00:28:48.240 as well as the existing ETJ. 00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:51.760 What's shown here in black and black hatch mark 00:28:51.760 --> 00:28:54.600 are the planned or probable developments 00:28:54.600 --> 00:28:57.280 that are within the water CCN boundary, 00:28:57.280 --> 00:29:00.280 as well as externally out towards the ETJ. 00:29:00.280 --> 00:29:04.240 As part of the 2018 study, 00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:06.120 you can see here that we have, 00:29:06.120 --> 00:29:08.920 we're at least proposing to expand 00:29:08.920 --> 00:29:13.520 for the 2020-2023 update out past the ETJ, 00:29:13.520 --> 00:29:16.080 which chapter 395 does allow, 00:29:16.080 --> 00:29:18.560 out to basically cover all the probable development 00:29:18.560 --> 00:29:19.880 that will be coming in. 00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:22.400 And so another component that we've been discussing 00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:25.120 with staff, as far as even with capital projects 00:29:25.120 --> 00:29:26.520 that will be coming in, 00:29:26.520 --> 00:29:30.440 since water itself had three service areas, 00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:33.720 we're proposing to both have the wastewater also equal, 00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:36.400 mirror the water study as well, 00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:37.840 in which both the water and wastewater 00:29:37.840 --> 00:29:40.120 will have equal service areas, as shown here. 00:29:40.120 --> 00:29:42.640 Yes. 00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:43.480 Sorry. 00:29:43.480 --> 00:29:45.440 - For me, it would be so much easier 00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:50.000 if you would put the 2018 and the 2023 side by side. 00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:50.840 - Absolutely. 00:29:50.840 --> 00:29:51.680 - So that you could compare 00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:53.280 because you're flipping back and forth, 00:29:53.280 --> 00:29:55.160 trying to see the difference. 00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:56.000 - Yeah. 00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:57.440 - And it just be, 00:29:57.440 --> 00:30:00.600 I would find it a lot easier, 00:30:00.600 --> 00:30:02.960 I don't know if anyone else would, but I would. 00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:04.800 - Yeah, would that be helpful? 00:30:04.800 --> 00:30:08.120 - So on the-- 00:30:08.120 --> 00:30:08.960 - Go ahead. 00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:09.800 - Yes. 00:30:12.760 --> 00:30:13.880 So the wastewater, 00:30:13.880 --> 00:30:17.120 I'm sorry, what are they, regions? 00:30:17.120 --> 00:30:17.960 - Service areas. 00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:18.920 - Service areas, okay. 00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:20.120 So the wastewater service areas, 00:30:20.120 --> 00:30:22.860 you've aligned them with the water service areas. 00:30:22.860 --> 00:30:25.920 However, there will be different infrastructure 00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:28.320 providing services to each of these zones. 00:30:28.320 --> 00:30:29.160 - Correct. 00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:32.160 - And I wonder if it wouldn't be more appropriate 00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:36.720 to align that region two, zone two, excuse me, 00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:41.720 with the Hickory Creek wastewater service area. 00:30:43.280 --> 00:30:46.240 So that we don't have a development, 00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:49.320 like there are all these little blue fingers of 1B 00:30:49.320 --> 00:30:51.960 that reach down into the Hickory Creek watershed. 00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:55.840 And those will be provided sewer service 00:30:55.840 --> 00:30:58.720 by the future Hickory Creek infrastructure. 00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:00.480 But they will be paying a fee 00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:05.140 based on the Pecan Creek kind of service zone. 00:31:05.140 --> 00:31:08.120 So I just think it might make more sense. 00:31:08.120 --> 00:31:11.380 And I appreciate aligning water and wastewater, 00:31:11.380 --> 00:31:14.800 but there really might be differences in incurred costs 00:31:14.800 --> 00:31:16.960 based on the future infrastructure 00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:20.860 for wastewater versus water. 00:31:20.860 --> 00:31:22.320 - Yeah, so part of the study, 00:31:22.320 --> 00:31:25.960 we do look at each of the capital projects that are proposed. 00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:27.160 And if they do happen to cross, say, 00:31:27.160 --> 00:31:28.720 two separate service areas, 00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:30.640 there will be proportional percentages applied 00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:32.440 to each one of those capital projects 00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:34.240 to cover, say, if it were to be split 00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:37.200 between service areas two, as well as 1B. 00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:40.360 And that will be part of the analysis to confirm that. 00:31:40.360 --> 00:31:42.600 - Right, I don't mean pieces of property 00:31:42.600 --> 00:31:43.420 that cross the line. 00:31:43.420 --> 00:31:47.640 I'm saying that it appears on this map 00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:51.920 that there's an area near I-35W, 00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:55.340 where the small blue section of 1B reaches down 00:31:55.340 --> 00:31:57.200 into section two. 00:31:57.200 --> 00:32:00.000 And that appears to be south of Hickory Creek. 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:04.060 So it will definitely be on the Hickory Creek sewer system. 00:32:04.060 --> 00:32:10.080 But it's in the kind of Pecan Creek zone 00:32:11.120 --> 00:32:15.200 so just, if we know that this certain corridor 00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:17.000 is going to be provided services 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:20.440 by a large future capital project, 00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:23.200 we might want to go ahead and align those zones now. 00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:26.720 - Absolutely, and I believe John also wants to mention 00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:27.560 some of the things. 00:32:27.560 --> 00:32:29.840 (man speaking off mic) 00:32:29.840 --> 00:32:31.360 Yeah, yes. 00:32:31.360 --> 00:32:32.200 Come on through. 00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:40.280 - First of all, you're making a very good point. 00:32:40.280 --> 00:32:41.640 That's one thing that's unique 00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:44.440 about wastewater infrastructure as compared to the water. 00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:47.160 It is kind of basin-specific 00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:48.860 as far as the infrastructure needs. 00:32:48.860 --> 00:32:51.280 It's a discussion. 00:32:51.280 --> 00:32:53.920 If you're making a very good suggestion, 00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:55.640 I think we can take that back down, 00:32:55.640 --> 00:32:57.280 to take that to city staff 00:32:57.280 --> 00:32:59.160 and see if that is a suggestion 00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:02.000 that they want to consider as far as the adjustments. 00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:04.920 This is one proposal to just make water and sewer 00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:06.440 consistent with each other 00:33:06.440 --> 00:33:08.960 as compared to what was in the past. 00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:11.760 So, if there needs to be further discussion 00:33:11.760 --> 00:33:13.260 about what makes the most sense 00:33:13.260 --> 00:33:16.680 as far as the significant amount of infrastructure, 00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:19.320 you're right, if you think about south, 00:33:19.320 --> 00:33:22.100 sorry, I won't step away, I'll just point here. 00:33:22.100 --> 00:33:25.840 You're right, if you think about the area south, 00:33:25.840 --> 00:33:27.640 just like the point you were making, 00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:32.840 south of I-35, that's not in service area two, 00:33:32.840 --> 00:33:34.680 but is in service area 1B, 00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:36.960 that is in the Hickory Creek Basin, 00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:39.560 you are talking about infrastructure 00:33:39.560 --> 00:33:41.540 within the Hickory Creek Basin 00:33:41.540 --> 00:33:44.880 that actually toggles between two. 00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:48.120 And we know that a big portion of the infrastructure 00:33:48.120 --> 00:33:51.000 from a growth perspective is related to the areas 00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:53.000 you kind of see here in two, but also relate. 00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:56.640 So, it is somewhat complicated, I guess, 00:33:56.640 --> 00:34:01.640 if you could say, and we're taking that into account 00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:03.880 with the basin boundaries you see here, 00:34:03.880 --> 00:34:06.540 or the service area boundaries you see here. 00:34:06.540 --> 00:34:09.280 But I think it's just, we hear you, 00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:11.940 we take your comment under advisement, 00:34:11.940 --> 00:34:14.200 and then I think we just go back to city staff 00:34:14.200 --> 00:34:15.500 and talk to them about that, 00:34:15.500 --> 00:34:18.720 and see if that's something they should bring forward. 00:34:18.720 --> 00:34:19.860 - Thank you. 00:34:19.860 --> 00:34:21.960 - Excellent, thank you, John. 00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:24.240 - Awesome, real quick. - Thank you, absolutely. 00:34:24.240 --> 00:34:26.700 - To Ms. Rosso's question, is it true 00:34:26.700 --> 00:34:31.120 that the dotted line around is the 2018 boundary? 00:34:31.120 --> 00:34:33.240 - So-- - Looking at the other map, 00:34:33.240 --> 00:34:35.080 it looks like that, yes. - Yes, let me, 00:34:35.080 --> 00:34:38.560 I'm gonna back up for a second, right over here. 00:34:38.560 --> 00:34:40.560 So, what we're seeing here for 2018, 00:34:40.560 --> 00:34:43.380 we took into account the CCN boundary, 00:34:43.380 --> 00:34:48.120 and that did develop part of the impact fee service area. 00:34:48.120 --> 00:34:52.900 There are portions that are outside of the CCNs themselves, 00:34:52.900 --> 00:34:54.320 but that was considered as part of the study, 00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:58.160 since Chapter 395 does allow us to go out towards the ETJ. 00:34:58.160 --> 00:35:00.880 But for the most part, yes it does. 00:35:03.420 --> 00:35:06.680 - All right, are there any more questions between that 00:35:06.680 --> 00:35:08.800 and the proposed service area for 2022? 00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:14.320 All right, we're gonna go ahead and continue. 00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:16.040 So, some of the next steps. 00:35:16.040 --> 00:35:17.960 We will also be presenting the same presentation. 00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:19.480 We will take into account, of course, 00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:21.960 we'll make that address, and we'll discuss that. 00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:25.280 We'll also show the 2018 and 2022 proposed updates 00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:28.280 side by side for the potential developer town hall meeting 00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:31.680 that's coming up this Thursday that we'll be attending. 00:35:31.680 --> 00:35:36.240 And then related through spring and fall 2023, 00:35:36.240 --> 00:35:39.200 we will be coming forward to establish 00:35:39.200 --> 00:35:40.680 the capital improvements advisory committee 00:35:40.680 --> 00:35:44.120 that adopts the ordinance to identify the ad hoc ETJ member, 00:35:44.120 --> 00:35:47.360 as well as come forward with the advisory committee meetings 00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:49.480 to then, of course, receive some of their comments 00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:50.680 and feedback. 00:35:50.680 --> 00:35:53.460 We'll be also meeting again related 00:35:53.460 --> 00:35:54.920 to the actual adoption process, 00:35:54.920 --> 00:35:57.320 once we have all of our analysis completed 00:35:57.320 --> 00:35:58.800 with the public utilities board, 00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:02.640 and then, finally, complete the entire study process 00:36:02.640 --> 00:36:05.360 and adopt through the city council meetings. 00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:07.920 So, with that, are there any additional questions 00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:09.740 related to these proposed updates? 00:36:09.740 --> 00:36:11.720 - Go ahead. 00:36:11.720 --> 00:36:12.540 - Yes. 00:36:12.540 --> 00:36:15.160 - What's the date of the developer town hall meeting? 00:36:15.160 --> 00:36:16.160 - This Thursday? 00:36:16.160 --> 00:36:19.520 From 10 a.m.? 00:36:19.520 --> 00:36:22.120 - 10 to 11. - 10 to 11 a.m. 00:36:22.120 --> 00:36:24.720 - At the Development Services Center. 00:36:24.720 --> 00:36:27.600 So, it's this Thursday from 10 to 11 00:36:27.600 --> 00:36:29.400 at the Development Services Center, 00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:31.240 if you want to attend that meeting. 00:36:31.240 --> 00:36:33.040 - Yeah, can anyone attend those? 00:36:33.040 --> 00:36:35.160 - Yeah, I think everybody's welcome to attend. 00:36:35.160 --> 00:36:37.360 If you want to attend, we welcome you there, 00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:39.660 anybody, or the entire board, if you'd like to. 00:36:39.660 --> 00:36:40.880 Well, actually, if the entire board come, 00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:42.340 I guess it may be a quorum, but-- 00:36:42.340 --> 00:36:43.680 (laughing) 00:36:43.680 --> 00:36:46.800 Ms. Russell, you can attend the meeting, absolutely, yeah. 00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:50.740 - Okay, is that the one off Mingo? 00:36:50.740 --> 00:36:52.640 - It's actually just right down here. 00:36:52.640 --> 00:36:54.640 I don't know exactly what the address is, but-- 00:36:54.640 --> 00:36:55.800 - 401 North Elm. 00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:57.360 - 401 North Elm. 00:36:57.360 --> 00:36:59.440 Is the address, the brand new building 00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:00.960 we constructed a couple years ago. 00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:02.440 - The old Kroger. 00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:03.840 - Yes. (laughing) 00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:06.840 - Right, well, safely before that. 00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:09.280 - Mr. Taylor, oh. (laughing) 00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:10.880 Mr. Taylor has another question. 00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:14.080 - Thank you, yeah, I really, this is more of a comment, 00:37:14.080 --> 00:37:19.080 I previously served on PNZ two impact fee updates ago, 00:37:19.080 --> 00:37:24.160 and I understand that we are more recipients of the process, 00:37:24.160 --> 00:37:26.480 we're a smaller approval in the chain 00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:29.640 than I think PNZ kind of has the leading role there, 00:37:29.640 --> 00:37:33.760 and as always comes up, this impact fees 00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:38.400 are really important to be fair to new development 00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:40.560 and to existing residents. 00:37:40.560 --> 00:37:43.760 Any infrastructure not paid for by impact fees 00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:47.000 gets paid for by the existing tax base, 00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:49.080 and we don't want to overcharge 00:37:49.080 --> 00:37:54.080 or create unnecessarily hurdles for new neighborhoods, 00:37:55.160 --> 00:37:59.280 but we also don't want to have existing neighborhoods 00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:03.320 bear the burden of new development. 00:38:03.320 --> 00:38:06.800 And so that's where I think if we can align the region 00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:11.120 of the zones and the fees based on what infrastructure 00:38:11.120 --> 00:38:14.480 they will use, that just creates greater fairness 00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:17.600 for existing rate payers and for future developments. 00:38:17.600 --> 00:38:19.980 You might have, well, I'm gonna be using 00:38:19.980 --> 00:38:22.440 Hickory Creek water treatment plant that doesn't exist yet, 00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:25.400 but I can pay the lower fee over here 00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:26.720 'cause I'm on this side of the street 00:38:26.720 --> 00:38:30.040 versus that development, that farm over there developing, 00:38:30.040 --> 00:38:31.120 you know, might have a higher fee. 00:38:31.120 --> 00:38:33.680 So I just wanna-- - Good point. 00:38:33.680 --> 00:38:37.680 - As much for members of this board as for staff, 00:38:37.680 --> 00:38:40.760 I'm sure is already aware and our consultants, 00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:42.920 that we wanna make this process as fair as possible 00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:47.460 to all development and all existing residents. 00:38:47.460 --> 00:38:50.120 - Goodbye. - Yeah. 00:38:50.120 --> 00:38:52.440 - Mr. Taylor, that's a great point. 00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:54.920 At these future conversations that are noted on this slide, 00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:56.440 that's the very conversation we can have 00:38:56.440 --> 00:38:58.880 with the Public Utility Board and City Council. 00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:02.640 In 2018, the City Council elected to adopt the max fee 00:39:02.640 --> 00:39:04.280 or the full recovery fee. 00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:05.740 That's currently what's in place now. 00:39:05.740 --> 00:39:08.160 So as we continue the study and we work through it 00:39:08.160 --> 00:39:10.920 and actually calculate the fee per SFE, 00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:12.160 that we can have those conversations 00:39:12.160 --> 00:39:13.640 that you're talking about, absolutely. 00:39:13.640 --> 00:39:14.960 But the purpose of the study is to make sure 00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:16.560 that it's fair across the city. 00:39:16.560 --> 00:39:21.020 - Okay, other questions, Mr. Ryback. 00:39:21.020 --> 00:39:23.540 - I don't have a question, but I do have a comment. 00:39:23.540 --> 00:39:26.560 I wonder if it might be advisable for us to consider 00:39:26.560 --> 00:39:30.320 once there is a Capital Improvement Advisory Committee, 00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:34.040 some joint meetings between the PUB and CIAC. 00:39:34.040 --> 00:39:37.200 That way, these things wouldn't be coming to us cold, 00:39:37.200 --> 00:39:39.200 if you will, from the Advisory Committee. 00:39:39.200 --> 00:39:42.760 So it might be something worth considering for the future. 00:39:42.760 --> 00:39:44.680 - We can go ahead and take a look at that. 00:39:44.680 --> 00:39:48.000 And if that's something we can do, we'll try to set it up. 00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:49.800 - Yeah, I'm not suggesting we do it every time 00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:52.000 they have a meeting, but it might be quarterly 00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:53.360 or twice a year or something. 00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:54.480 We can kind of catch up with what they're-- 00:39:54.480 --> 00:39:55.560 - Some check-in points. 00:39:55.560 --> 00:39:56.680 - Yes, ma'am. 00:39:56.680 --> 00:39:58.520 And I want to compliment you, Mr. Taylor, 00:39:58.520 --> 00:40:00.280 on your questions, 'cause I had the same one 00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:04.400 about that remote area that was separated from the rest. 00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:05.240 So thank you. 00:40:05.240 --> 00:40:06.400 - Absolutely. 00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:09.320 All right, but not, thank you. 00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:10.540 - Thank you. 00:40:10.540 --> 00:40:13.000 All right, next we have receive a report, 00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:15.560 hold a discussion, and provide suggestions 00:40:15.560 --> 00:40:17.300 or recommendations regarding updates 00:40:17.300 --> 00:40:19.860 to the City of Denton criteria manuals. 00:40:19.860 --> 00:40:36.720 - Good morning, everybody. 00:40:36.720 --> 00:40:39.840 Thank you for allowing me to come and present to you. 00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:40.920 My name is Brett Bourgeois. 00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:43.280 I am the Deputy City Engineer in the Capital Projects 00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:44.440 Engineering Department. 00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:48.480 And I'm here today to talk about our criteria manual updates. 00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:52.280 The agenda is we're gonna go through our public outreach 00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:55.920 plan that we have for this, including today's meeting, 00:40:55.920 --> 00:40:57.560 background about the criteria manual 00:40:57.560 --> 00:40:59.960 and the process that we went through this year, 00:40:59.960 --> 00:41:02.400 run through some of the high-level updates 00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:04.240 that we've had for the criteria manuals this year, 00:41:04.240 --> 00:41:06.400 and then what our next steps are going forward. 00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:08.760 I also have an attendance of technical experts 00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:11.640 from every department and discipline 00:41:11.640 --> 00:41:12.800 related to the criteria manual 00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:14.840 for any detailed questions you may have. 00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:17.760 So for our public outreach plan, as you can see, 00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:20.100 we have a pretty extensive program in place. 00:41:20.100 --> 00:41:22.080 We went to a planning and zoning commission 00:41:22.080 --> 00:41:23.400 earlier this month. 00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:27.480 We had a developer town hall as well a couple weeks ago. 00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:29.720 We updated the criteria manuals online, 00:41:29.720 --> 00:41:32.400 posted draft versions of them with the feedback form 00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:35.080 for the community and the public to comment on. 00:41:35.080 --> 00:41:37.800 We updated the city council via Friday report item, 00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:40.840 and now we're here, basically in the middle of the process, 00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:42.560 laying out our updates to you guys 00:41:42.560 --> 00:41:44.680 and for your comments and feedback. 00:41:44.680 --> 00:41:46.920 We also have several other meetings planned 00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:49.960 to present to the Engineering Society, 00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:51.600 do a further update to city council 00:41:51.600 --> 00:41:53.640 after we receive comments from the public, 00:41:53.640 --> 00:41:55.360 and then eventually bring this forward 00:41:55.360 --> 00:41:56.880 to city council for adoption 00:41:56.880 --> 00:41:59.280 and effective date of January 1st. 00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:02.980 So a little bit of background on what we did. 00:42:02.980 --> 00:42:07.000 Our criteria manuals are, it's a big process. 00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:09.180 So we have a lot of different disciplines. 00:42:09.180 --> 00:42:10.760 They cover different areas. 00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:13.360 We started staff review of these documents 00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:15.820 in April of last year, or of this year. 00:42:15.820 --> 00:42:19.800 We met once a week, every Thursday from 10 a.m. to 12 p.m. 00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:22.500 We had representatives, every department arrive. 00:42:22.500 --> 00:42:24.280 We met from April all the way through July, 00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:26.560 going through every criteria manual, every discipline, 00:42:26.560 --> 00:42:30.200 every line by line to look at where we are. 00:42:30.200 --> 00:42:34.160 We're now going out to do comments to the public 00:42:34.160 --> 00:42:35.960 with what our recommendations are. 00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:37.000 We're gonna make these updates. 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:38.600 We're gonna inform everybody 00:42:38.600 --> 00:42:40.280 and bring it back for the council. 00:42:40.280 --> 00:42:41.720 And one of the things that we realized 00:42:41.720 --> 00:42:43.560 by going through these updates 00:42:43.560 --> 00:42:46.560 is that we have four different criteria manuals, 00:42:46.560 --> 00:42:48.640 which is not consistent with what we have 00:42:48.640 --> 00:42:52.520 for our development code, where we have one code document. 00:42:52.520 --> 00:42:55.560 And all of our criteria manuals are formatted differently. 00:42:55.560 --> 00:42:57.400 It's a little bit structured differently. 00:42:57.400 --> 00:42:59.100 And we have information that's repeated 00:42:59.100 --> 00:43:01.600 across multiple manuals, and we have to keep that consistent 00:43:01.600 --> 00:43:02.940 as we make changes. 00:43:02.940 --> 00:43:05.320 So one of our future goals is to combine 00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:07.600 all these manuals into one document 00:43:07.600 --> 00:43:10.360 with different chapters and have the consistent information 00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:13.080 in one place, be consistent with the development code, 00:43:13.080 --> 00:43:15.320 and eliminate all the conflicts we have. 00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:16.600 - Mr. Beck. - Thank you, Chair. 00:43:16.600 --> 00:43:18.920 How do you break down those four criteria manuals? 00:43:18.920 --> 00:43:21.880 You got subdivision development, streets, 00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:22.800 how is that broken down? 00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:25.600 - Actually, it's broken down on transportation-related topics 00:43:25.600 --> 00:43:27.560 with the Transportation Criteria Manual. 00:43:27.560 --> 00:43:29.680 We have a Water Wastewater Criteria Manual. 00:43:29.680 --> 00:43:32.400 We have a Solid Waste Criteria Manual. 00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:35.240 And then we also have a Storm Drain, 00:43:35.240 --> 00:43:36.920 and Drain and Trigger Criteria Manual. 00:43:36.920 --> 00:43:37.840 - Okay, thanks. 00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:44.840 - So a little bit of guidance or background 00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:47.720 on the governing documents of the city. 00:43:47.720 --> 00:43:49.380 We have the Denton Development Code, 00:43:49.380 --> 00:43:51.060 which sets the policy and the procedures 00:43:51.060 --> 00:43:52.440 for all the developments. 00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:56.040 That's basically the city's roadmap. 00:43:56.040 --> 00:43:58.380 But the criteria manuals outline the technical 00:43:58.380 --> 00:44:01.040 and the design criteria for these developments, 00:44:01.040 --> 00:44:02.520 for these projects, for everything 00:44:02.520 --> 00:44:03.760 that's being built within the city. 00:44:03.760 --> 00:44:06.120 So we're making sure we're getting the right types of pipe, 00:44:06.120 --> 00:44:07.800 we're having the right roadway sections, 00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:10.680 we're having everything that we need 00:44:10.680 --> 00:44:12.640 the way that we need it for the city. 00:44:12.640 --> 00:44:14.640 Then we also have our standard details 00:44:14.640 --> 00:44:16.600 and our construction specifications. 00:44:16.600 --> 00:44:18.480 That outlines how to actually build it, 00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:19.720 and then drawings of what it's supposed 00:44:19.720 --> 00:44:21.060 to look like in the field. 00:44:21.060 --> 00:44:25.120 And again, this is kind of another breakdown of it. 00:44:25.120 --> 00:44:27.640 The Denton Development Code is overriding document, 00:44:27.640 --> 00:44:29.080 guidance document. 00:44:29.080 --> 00:44:31.160 Criteria manuals set the design requirements 00:44:31.160 --> 00:44:32.640 for those documents. 00:44:32.640 --> 00:44:34.320 The specifications of how you build it, 00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:35.960 and then the standard details showing 00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:37.760 what it's supposed to look like out in the field 00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:38.960 to actually construct it. 00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:42.480 So going into a little bit of the updates, 00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:44.080 the solid waste criteria manual 00:44:44.080 --> 00:44:46.640 actually has a complete rewrite done last year 00:44:46.640 --> 00:44:48.200 as part of the update. 00:44:48.200 --> 00:44:51.080 The previous version of it I believe was completed in 2008, 00:44:51.080 --> 00:44:54.280 so it needed a pretty good revision, overhaul of it. 00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:58.280 So this year, because we had a full rewrite of it last year, 00:44:58.280 --> 00:45:00.200 had very minor updates to it. 00:45:00.200 --> 00:45:04.520 One of the things that they took out from the 2008 update 00:45:04.520 --> 00:45:07.920 to the 2021 update was they removed the opening paragraph, 00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:10.480 which outlined that the city was the sole provider 00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:13.780 of all solid waste and recycling in the city of Denton, 00:45:13.780 --> 00:45:16.080 including construction activities. 00:45:16.080 --> 00:45:18.760 And so they actually had questions about that, 00:45:18.760 --> 00:45:21.320 so we added that opening paragraph back into this document 00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:25.160 to make it clear that everything for solid waste 00:45:25.160 --> 00:45:27.120 needs to go through the city of Denton. 00:45:27.120 --> 00:45:32.020 As well as that, there's different enclosure requirements 00:45:32.020 --> 00:45:35.800 for different types of dwellings, multifamily dwellings, 00:45:35.800 --> 00:45:37.640 and it gives a couple of options for them. 00:45:37.640 --> 00:45:39.080 And one of the ones they wanted to add 00:45:39.080 --> 00:45:43.320 was add an additional roll-off compactor enclosure 00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:46.160 as an option for one of the larger multifamilies. 00:45:46.160 --> 00:45:49.920 That way, it gives more variety for them. 00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:54.400 And then we also revised the minimum alley width. 00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:57.280 And we actually reduced it down to 15 feet. 00:45:57.280 --> 00:46:00.680 We're still requiring the 20 feet of right-of-way dedication, 00:46:00.680 --> 00:46:03.720 but we reduced the minimum pavement section down to 15 feet 00:46:03.720 --> 00:46:05.600 because that gives us space to actually go in 00:46:05.600 --> 00:46:07.920 and do maintenance or replace the alleyway. 00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:09.360 If you have a 20-foot alleyway, 00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:11.700 paved section with a 20-foot right-of-way, 00:46:11.700 --> 00:46:13.520 you have no room to actually do any work. 00:46:13.520 --> 00:46:15.200 You're up against the boundaries 00:46:15.200 --> 00:46:16.200 where your right-of-way limits are. 00:46:16.200 --> 00:46:17.800 You have to get temporary access easements 00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:19.360 and it makes it a lot more difficult. 00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:20.760 So we actually reduced that down, 00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:23.960 and that's consistent with our transportation criteria manual. 00:46:25.400 --> 00:46:26.760 - Mr. Taylor, yes. 00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:33.600 - So I had heard that the City of Denton 00:46:33.600 --> 00:46:37.600 is the sole solid waste provider for years. 00:46:37.600 --> 00:46:41.680 And I do see these usually construction roll-off dumpsters 00:46:41.680 --> 00:46:44.960 that are branded yellow and black or red and white. 00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:50.080 Is there any kind of enforcement mechanism to that rule? 00:46:50.080 --> 00:46:53.440 - We actually have a representative from the solid waste here 00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:54.640 to answer your question. 00:46:54.640 --> 00:47:01.600 - Good morning. 00:47:01.600 --> 00:47:03.680 I'm Adrian Hill, Operations Manager 00:47:03.680 --> 00:47:06.080 for the Solid Waste and Recycling Department. 00:47:06.080 --> 00:47:07.840 Actually, we're working on Chapter 24 00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:09.760 to update that process. 00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:11.960 Right now, there's nothing we can enforce 00:47:11.960 --> 00:47:14.080 an outside vendor coming in, 00:47:14.080 --> 00:47:15.400 but we're in the process of, 00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:17.880 I think it starts here with having that wording 00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:19.520 in our site criteria manual. 00:47:19.520 --> 00:47:24.280 - So Chapter 24, is that part of the solid waste guide? 00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:26.400 - It's not part of the criteria manual at all. 00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:28.280 - Okay, okay. 00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:31.280 Yeah, like I said, I've heard that for a decade or more 00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:35.240 and see these branded dumpsters and stuff like that. 00:47:35.240 --> 00:47:37.480 So I was always curious, 00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:39.880 why aren't they getting, I don't know, 00:47:39.880 --> 00:47:42.040 worn or sited or something? - We're in that process. 00:47:42.040 --> 00:47:43.480 - Okay, thank you. - Thank you. 00:47:43.480 --> 00:47:45.600 - Question? 00:47:45.600 --> 00:47:47.520 Yeah, oh, Barbara, oh, you didn't. 00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:53.120 What do you do for areas that there is not a, 00:47:53.120 --> 00:47:57.640 that they weren't required to have a dumpster enclosed? 00:47:57.640 --> 00:47:58.800 - In the past? 00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:03.800 - Yes, and now they decide to make a change. 00:48:03.800 --> 00:48:08.080 You require them to put an enclosure, 00:48:08.080 --> 00:48:10.160 but there's no room for an enclosure. 00:48:10.160 --> 00:48:11.280 How do you handle that? 00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:13.560 - So in the site criteria manual, 00:48:13.560 --> 00:48:16.960 it states that anything that's 50% or greater 00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:19.160 of the existing square footage of the building, 00:48:19.160 --> 00:48:20.520 they'll have to redesign it 00:48:20.520 --> 00:48:22.840 where they have to include an enclosure. 00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:24.680 But everything that's done in the past, 00:48:24.680 --> 00:48:28.920 if there's not any remodeling done 50% or more, 00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:30.240 they keep what they have. 00:48:30.240 --> 00:48:31.760 - So it'll be grandfathered? - Correct. 00:48:31.760 --> 00:48:33.080 - Yeah, okay. - Yeah. 00:48:33.080 --> 00:48:39.640 - Oh, I'm gonna ask, go ahead, Barbara. 00:48:39.640 --> 00:48:42.320 I have one more question, so you go first. 00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:44.720 - I was thinking about paved alleys. 00:48:44.720 --> 00:48:48.160 There are areas in Denton that they used to use 00:48:48.160 --> 00:48:51.160 to collect the trash coming down the alleys, 00:48:51.160 --> 00:48:54.600 and then they decided they wouldn't do that anymore. 00:48:54.600 --> 00:48:56.280 They go down the streets. 00:48:56.280 --> 00:48:57.760 But the alleys are still there. 00:48:57.760 --> 00:49:01.000 Who's responsible for taking care of those? 00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:04.240 - Go ahead. - Yeah. 00:49:04.240 --> 00:49:07.160 - So the alleyways is actually a pretty complicated topic, 00:49:07.160 --> 00:49:09.480 and mainly it's because there's private alleys, 00:49:09.480 --> 00:49:11.080 and then there's public alleys. 00:49:11.080 --> 00:49:13.200 So it depends on the development of the location 00:49:13.200 --> 00:49:15.600 in terms of who's supposed to maintain those. 00:49:15.600 --> 00:49:18.200 And that's something that's a bigger conversation 00:49:18.200 --> 00:49:20.680 that is an ongoing one with the new development 00:49:20.680 --> 00:49:21.600 in the coal ranch area, 00:49:21.600 --> 00:49:24.440 because they are wanting to put alleyways in there as well. 00:49:24.440 --> 00:49:26.760 So it's a city-wide conversation 00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:28.200 that we're having on that right now. 00:49:28.200 --> 00:49:31.120 - Yeah, because if the city was using them, 00:49:31.120 --> 00:49:32.160 and then they're not. 00:49:32.160 --> 00:49:35.520 - Yeah, and that's basically the conversation 00:49:35.520 --> 00:49:38.960 is that a lot of the private developments put alleyways in, 00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:41.280 and they're identified as a private street. 00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:43.240 So they're not designed and constructed necessarily 00:49:43.240 --> 00:49:44.880 to the city standard. 00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:47.320 At the same time, we have heavy vehicles, 00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:48.960 service vehicles driving on those alleyways, 00:49:48.960 --> 00:49:51.280 which are the ones causing the most wear and tear. 00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:53.760 So then is it the city's responsibility to maintain those 00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:55.800 and replace those, and if that's the case, 00:49:55.800 --> 00:49:58.880 the city now inherits hundreds of miles 00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:01.440 of additional roadway, which we need to account for 00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:03.080 and pay for and maintain. 00:50:03.080 --> 00:50:05.560 So like I said, it's a much bigger conversation 00:50:05.560 --> 00:50:08.360 that's kind of beyond the scope of this conversation. 00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:11.920 It's more of a policy-level discussion. 00:50:11.920 --> 00:50:12.960 - Thank you. 00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:14.200 - And my question is simple. 00:50:14.200 --> 00:50:16.480 So the second bullet, that's an option. 00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:18.000 That's not a requirement. 00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:20.360 - Well, so that's where we messed up last year 00:50:20.360 --> 00:50:23.480 when we were rewriting the criteria manual. 00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:26.160 We added an enclosure or a compactor, 00:50:26.160 --> 00:50:28.840 but we forgot to add a single enclosure for recycling. 00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:29.680 - Oh, okay. 00:50:29.680 --> 00:50:33.000 - So that's just a minor mistake that was on our part 00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:34.280 that we're trying to correct this year. 00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:38.640 But if they elect to get a compactor, 00:50:38.640 --> 00:50:40.680 then that gives them the option to recycle in the future. 00:50:40.680 --> 00:50:44.280 So we're not running into that same issue 00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:45.880 with dumpsters sitting out in the parking lot. 00:50:45.880 --> 00:50:47.840 - Okay, thank you. 00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:48.680 - I will tell you, 00:50:48.680 --> 00:50:51.080 this may not be the place to bring it up, 00:50:51.080 --> 00:50:52.720 but I'm going to anyway. 00:50:52.720 --> 00:50:57.280 If you can ever solve the problem of people 00:50:57.280 --> 00:51:02.280 stopping and filling your dumpsters up, 00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:04.400 I mean, off of the street. 00:51:04.400 --> 00:51:09.400 That is a, you know, we've tried taking pictures 00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:13.720 and basically that hasn't worked. 00:51:13.720 --> 00:51:17.200 But that is a, and I don't know how to solve it. 00:51:17.200 --> 00:51:19.520 It's a conversation I've had in a lot 00:51:19.520 --> 00:51:20.960 of different committees. 00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:22.360 But how do you solve? 00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:24.760 Can we do something to educate? 00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:26.880 That's a crime. 00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:27.840 - Yeah, it's illegal. 00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:31.920 But we do offer a lock and device for that dumpster 00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:33.600 that it's a key that, you know, 00:51:33.600 --> 00:51:35.440 we provide the lock for $20. 00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:37.960 It's a lock and device with the lids on there. 00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:41.240 So if you need access to it, you have a key lock to it. 00:51:41.240 --> 00:51:44.040 We don't require that key or that lock 00:51:44.040 --> 00:51:46.480 because it's a gravity unlocking system 00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:49.120 where the truck picks up the dumpster, it locks it. 00:51:49.120 --> 00:51:51.640 And then when it sets it back down, it relocks it. 00:51:51.640 --> 00:51:54.040 But it's a $20 fee. 00:51:54.040 --> 00:51:57.400 So if you're interested in that, one time fee. 00:51:57.400 --> 00:51:59.920 - Thank you. 00:51:59.920 --> 00:52:02.160 And I'm not sure, is it a misdemeanor here 00:52:02.160 --> 00:52:03.360 for illegal dumping? 00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:06.280 - I wouldn't know. 00:52:06.280 --> 00:52:08.720 I don't think anybody on this knows. 00:52:08.720 --> 00:52:09.560 - I'm just curious. 00:52:09.560 --> 00:52:11.520 You don't have to answer that one. 00:52:11.520 --> 00:52:13.320 - I would like it to be a felony. 00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:15.580 (laughing) 00:52:15.580 --> 00:52:22.880 - Yeah, yeah, it's a misdemeanor, yeah. 00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:25.360 - All right. 00:52:25.360 --> 00:52:29.600 Moving on to our stormwater and our drainage criteria manual. 00:52:29.600 --> 00:52:32.640 So when going through this manual, we realized 00:52:32.640 --> 00:52:34.320 there's lots of terms that we were using 00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:35.560 throughout the manual. 00:52:35.560 --> 00:52:38.040 And this manual actually has a definition 00:52:38.040 --> 00:52:39.280 in the beginning of it. 00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:41.400 And some of the terms that we were using throughout it 00:52:41.400 --> 00:52:42.280 were unclear. 00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:44.440 So we went through and redefined those terms 00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:46.520 in the definition manual so that way everybody knew 00:52:46.520 --> 00:52:49.000 what we were talking about and referring to. 00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:50.600 And one of the things that we also looked at 00:52:50.600 --> 00:52:53.620 is that for all developments in our city, 00:52:53.620 --> 00:52:56.040 require everything to be designed 00:52:56.040 --> 00:52:57.280 to the flood mitigation level, 00:52:57.280 --> 00:53:01.200 which is the 100 year storm, which is great and all, 00:53:01.200 --> 00:53:04.240 but the problem is that any time we have an infill project 00:53:04.240 --> 00:53:07.160 or a redevelopment of like a downtown urban area 00:53:07.160 --> 00:53:10.480 or a city project, the costs are redesigned 00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:13.280 to 100 year flood and all the downstream impacts 00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:14.240 are associated with that. 00:53:14.240 --> 00:53:15.840 'Cause once you design your system 00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:17.640 to be a higher flood standard, 00:53:17.640 --> 00:53:19.040 you're basically just pushing the water 00:53:19.040 --> 00:53:20.160 downstream to your neighbor. 00:53:20.160 --> 00:53:22.520 So the way the criteria is written is that 00:53:22.520 --> 00:53:24.600 you have to upgrade everything downstream 00:53:24.600 --> 00:53:26.560 until you have no more impact. 00:53:26.560 --> 00:53:30.080 Well, that becomes so restrictive and cost prohibitive 00:53:30.080 --> 00:53:33.080 that projects just don't get built and can't get designed. 00:53:33.080 --> 00:53:35.800 So we realized that was a problem. 00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:37.360 We actually included a language in there 00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:40.040 to allow us to say for all new developments 00:53:40.040 --> 00:53:41.500 that are green field projects, 00:53:41.500 --> 00:53:43.200 it's pretty simple to design to the 100 year 00:53:43.200 --> 00:53:44.840 because you've just put a tension basin in, 00:53:44.840 --> 00:53:47.320 you put bigger pipes in, whatever the case is. 00:53:47.320 --> 00:53:51.040 But for redevelopment and urbanization 00:53:51.040 --> 00:53:54.880 or internal projects where that cost becomes so prohibitive 00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:56.980 that it stops projects in our tracks, 00:53:56.980 --> 00:54:00.760 we allow us to go back and say, okay, for this project, 00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:02.960 an incremental improvement is better than no improvement. 00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:04.880 So we're okay with designing, upgrading, 00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:06.880 us doing a smaller upgrade now 00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:09.400 so that way we can start getting some 00:54:09.400 --> 00:54:11.400 progressive improvements going on. 00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:13.560 So we have added that to this criteria manual. 00:54:13.560 --> 00:54:15.840 And one of the things also that we notice is that 00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:19.080 in the standard specifications, we outlaw the use 00:54:19.080 --> 00:54:21.280 or we do not allow the use of corrugated metal pipes 00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:23.880 for drainage culverts and driveways. 00:54:23.880 --> 00:54:25.920 However, our criteria manual still allowed that. 00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:27.700 So this kind of goes back to the whole conversation 00:54:27.700 --> 00:54:30.080 of finding conflict within the document itself. 00:54:30.080 --> 00:54:31.400 So we found those references, 00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:33.040 removed them out of our criteria manual 00:54:33.040 --> 00:54:34.200 because we're getting questions as, 00:54:34.200 --> 00:54:36.400 hey, your criteria manual says we can use 00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:37.640 corrugated metal pipe, 00:54:37.640 --> 00:54:39.960 your specifications say you can't use it. 00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:41.560 So we ended up taking that out. 00:54:41.560 --> 00:54:45.800 For the transportation criteria manual, 00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:48.040 as you're probably all aware, we have the mobility plan. 00:54:48.040 --> 00:54:49.640 - Oh, okay, Mr. T. 00:54:49.640 --> 00:54:51.480 - Back to the storm water. 00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:56.480 So I did notice that we're now using the I-swim standards. 00:54:56.480 --> 00:54:58.400 - We have, yes, we have been. 00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:03.400 - Okay, and so that's a wide variety of standards 00:55:03.400 --> 00:55:07.420 that include everything from the concrete, 00:55:07.420 --> 00:55:13.160 trapezoidal water flow to riprap 00:55:13.160 --> 00:55:16.440 or kind of more natural structures. 00:55:16.440 --> 00:55:18.640 And even talking about like on a green field, 00:55:18.640 --> 00:55:22.120 they can put in a detention pond and pipes the right size. 00:55:22.120 --> 00:55:25.280 And that's, and like that most basic design 00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:28.080 is heavily concreted, 00:55:28.080 --> 00:55:29.680 no, a little or no vegetation, 00:55:29.680 --> 00:55:31.000 maybe a little green around the outside, 00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:33.080 but a lot of times it's actually concrete bottoms 00:55:33.080 --> 00:55:35.440 in the detention ponds to prevent erosion 00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:37.440 and a concrete drainage structure, 00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:41.000 which, and that is, that's the minimum, 00:55:41.000 --> 00:55:43.480 but there are a lot of more creative options, 00:55:43.480 --> 00:55:48.480 kind of like what you see behind Razor Ranch isn't bad. 00:55:49.480 --> 00:55:51.120 The parking lots of Razor Ranch are kind of interesting. 00:55:51.120 --> 00:55:54.400 And then if going down to behind 00:55:54.400 --> 00:55:59.840 the shopping center near the mall, 00:55:59.840 --> 00:56:01.120 I don't remember the name of it, 00:56:01.120 --> 00:56:03.640 where like the Best Buy is, 00:56:03.640 --> 00:56:07.360 they have some of those more like wetlands 00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:09.520 with vegetation, heavily vegetated, 00:56:09.520 --> 00:56:13.600 and using riprap and revetments instead of concrete, 00:56:13.600 --> 00:56:16.600 which has all kinds of environmental benefits, 00:56:16.600 --> 00:56:18.720 like increased soil, you know, 00:56:18.720 --> 00:56:20.680 water is absorbed into the soil 00:56:20.680 --> 00:56:22.800 as opposed to just flowing to the lake, 00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:24.400 decreases your flood flows, 00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:26.280 increases the friction on the flow, et cetera, 00:56:26.280 --> 00:56:30.280 all these benefits, environmental, aesthetic, and otherwise. 00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:35.120 Is there anything that we can do to encourage those options 00:56:35.120 --> 00:56:39.760 as versus the lowest cost trapezoidal concrete channel? 00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:43.120 - Yes, there is, and actually we have Mr. Mike Linder here, 00:56:43.120 --> 00:56:45.640 which is our new drainage engineer. 00:56:46.880 --> 00:56:48.000 - Hey, good morning. 00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:50.520 I'm Mike Linder, the senior drainage engineer. 00:56:50.520 --> 00:56:54.000 To address that, there are incentives, I believe, 00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:55.200 in the Ditten Development Code, 00:56:55.200 --> 00:56:57.920 more akin to the landscaping requirements 00:56:57.920 --> 00:56:59.840 that go into a site. 00:56:59.840 --> 00:57:02.120 That type of information really wouldn't be housed 00:57:02.120 --> 00:57:05.240 in what is a technical design manual. 00:57:05.240 --> 00:57:08.920 But I think as we go through the Ditten Development Code, 00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:11.640 I know there's a section in here that lines out 00:57:11.640 --> 00:57:16.640 low-impact development designs like you're discussing, 00:57:16.640 --> 00:57:18.760 and kind of encourages people to do that, 00:57:18.760 --> 00:57:22.760 and maybe we can look in other ways to, you know, 00:57:22.760 --> 00:57:24.680 require a minimum level of that, 00:57:24.680 --> 00:57:27.080 or more greatly encourage that, 00:57:27.080 --> 00:57:28.840 but that's really something that would be 00:57:28.840 --> 00:57:32.880 in the development code and not in a technical manual. 00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:35.400 - Right, yeah, I just wanna make sure we do encourage that, 00:57:35.400 --> 00:57:37.720 because it becomes an amenity to the city, 00:57:37.720 --> 00:57:39.680 it benefits the landowners, 00:57:39.680 --> 00:57:42.240 and the city benefits the landowner, 00:57:42.240 --> 00:57:44.360 and everybody downstream. 00:57:44.360 --> 00:57:45.720 - Absolutely. - Thank you. 00:57:45.720 --> 00:57:55.520 - All right, moving on to our transportation criteria manual. 00:57:55.520 --> 00:57:59.080 As you're probably all aware, we had the mobility plan 00:57:59.080 --> 00:58:02.040 got updated, or adopted this March, 00:58:02.040 --> 00:58:04.320 and so we actually went through our criteria manual 00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:06.120 and made sure that all of our geometric standards 00:58:06.120 --> 00:58:07.520 for all the roadway classifications 00:58:07.520 --> 00:58:09.760 are consistent across both documents. 00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:10.720 There are some slight tweaks, 00:58:10.720 --> 00:58:12.880 so we updated those tables as well. 00:58:12.880 --> 00:58:16.200 We added some discussion on turn lane warrants, 00:58:16.200 --> 00:58:19.280 so we did have people requesting turn lanes. 00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:22.280 We had no standard way to identify the stacking length, 00:58:22.280 --> 00:58:25.240 the turn criteria to justify the installation 00:58:25.240 --> 00:58:27.040 of a turn lane, and how big those openings 00:58:27.040 --> 00:58:28.160 of those turn lanes need to be, 00:58:28.160 --> 00:58:30.240 so we included all that. 00:58:30.240 --> 00:58:32.080 We updated our on-street parking, 00:58:32.080 --> 00:58:34.000 so our on-street parking was designed 00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:36.240 to ADA and PRO Act standards. 00:58:36.240 --> 00:58:38.120 We never discussed it and outlined 00:58:38.120 --> 00:58:39.640 why they're designed the way it was. 00:58:39.640 --> 00:58:42.680 We added several paragraphs in the prologue 00:58:42.680 --> 00:58:45.960 of the parking section to talk about where design, 00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:48.760 these are all laid out for ADA and PRO Act requirements, 00:58:48.760 --> 00:58:50.960 the spacing, the slopes, and so it kind of lays out 00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:53.560 why it was drawn the way it was. 00:58:53.560 --> 00:58:57.080 As part of our traffic safety impact analysis, 00:58:57.080 --> 00:58:59.920 our TIAs, is that we've included a discussion 00:58:59.920 --> 00:59:01.000 in there for safety. 00:59:01.000 --> 00:59:05.440 So before, it was all just based on traffic volume, 00:59:05.440 --> 00:59:07.160 turning radius is turning, 00:59:07.160 --> 00:59:08.520 so we actually put a discussion that says, 00:59:08.520 --> 00:59:10.920 okay, well, in addition to the amount of volume of traffic 00:59:10.920 --> 00:59:12.560 and how much traffic you're having, 00:59:12.560 --> 00:59:14.640 we need to look at it from a safety standpoint as well, 00:59:14.640 --> 00:59:16.120 'cause we do have some intersections 00:59:16.120 --> 00:59:19.320 and roadways where we do have safety issues. 00:59:19.320 --> 00:59:21.000 By the way, it was written before 00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:22.920 that the safety portion wasn't, 00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:25.000 we weren't able to enforce that, 00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:26.040 so now we, by putting it in here, 00:59:26.040 --> 00:59:27.920 we can say, hey, go back and look at this again. 00:59:27.920 --> 00:59:30.600 You're having site issues, you're having other problems. 00:59:30.600 --> 00:59:33.240 You can look at it from a safety standpoint as well. 00:59:33.240 --> 00:59:34.080 Yes, go ahead. 00:59:34.080 --> 00:59:35.320 - Thank you, Chair. 00:59:35.320 --> 00:59:37.440 On your on-street parking, 00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:41.680 Section 1.6 in the Criterion Manual, 00:59:41.680 --> 00:59:44.600 am I, it's saying, 00:59:44.600 --> 00:59:49.640 one on-street parking, 00:59:49.640 --> 00:59:52.320 where on-street parking is designated, 00:59:52.320 --> 00:59:53.720 one on-street parking space 00:59:53.720 --> 00:59:57.360 for each single family unit or block is required. 00:59:57.360 --> 00:59:59.400 So what's that first part saying, 00:59:59.400 --> 01:00:01.760 where on-street parking is designated? 01:00:01.760 --> 01:00:04.040 Does there have to be a sign there saying no parking 01:00:04.040 --> 01:00:06.800 or some parking? - Yeah, so there has to be 01:00:06.800 --> 01:00:08.840 some sort of marking for on-street parking. 01:00:08.840 --> 01:00:10.800 If it's just like a wide shoulder, 01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:11.920 it's open to parking, 01:00:11.920 --> 01:00:13.880 but if you have a designated marking spot, 01:00:13.880 --> 01:00:15.400 it's considered on-street parking then. 01:00:15.400 --> 01:00:19.720 - Okay, so if there's no designation of on-street parking, 01:00:19.720 --> 01:00:24.720 is it still just one vehicle per unit, single family unit? 01:00:24.720 --> 01:00:30.360 - I believe, I don't think, I don't think so. 01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:31.920 - Used to be though, didn't it? 01:00:34.160 --> 01:00:36.320 - If I remember right, yeah, hi. 01:00:36.320 --> 01:00:40.520 - Hi, Carina Maldonado, 01:00:40.520 --> 01:00:42.440 Transportation Planner with Development Services. 01:00:42.440 --> 01:00:43.880 Could you repeat the question? 01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:47.200 - Well, it's indicating here that there's allowed 01:00:47.200 --> 01:00:49.800 one vehicle in single family developments, 01:00:49.800 --> 01:00:52.560 one vehicle per unit, 01:00:52.560 --> 01:00:56.440 but the stipulation is where it's designated. 01:00:56.440 --> 01:00:59.880 So I'm living, I'm in a newer development, an HOA, 01:00:59.880 --> 01:01:01.000 and we've got no signs there, 01:01:01.000 --> 01:01:02.920 but we've got some street parking issues 01:01:02.920 --> 01:01:07.240 where there's four cars to one household, 01:01:07.240 --> 01:01:08.600 two of them are in the driveway. 01:01:08.600 --> 01:01:11.120 - Yeah, so going back to the development code, 01:01:11.120 --> 01:01:13.200 our development code is what sets the standards 01:01:13.200 --> 01:01:14.600 for minimum parking. 01:01:14.600 --> 01:01:16.840 So single family residential would have to provide 01:01:16.840 --> 01:01:19.160 four spaces on the property. 01:01:19.160 --> 01:01:22.640 - Now on the property, off the street, right? 01:01:22.640 --> 01:01:24.960 - And going back to the criteria manual, 01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:27.840 there is a table that indicates whether parking is allowed 01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:29.960 or not, so prohibited or not. 01:01:29.960 --> 01:01:33.200 If it is prohibited, then that's where you wouldn't see 01:01:33.200 --> 01:01:34.560 on street parking. 01:01:34.560 --> 01:01:39.560 If it is permitted, it's based within the right-of-way 01:01:39.560 --> 01:01:42.960 for that street, so residential street sections 01:01:42.960 --> 01:01:45.160 typically allow for parking, 01:01:45.160 --> 01:01:49.520 but there is no minimum requirement. 01:01:49.520 --> 01:01:51.400 It doesn't say you have to provide one, 01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:52.760 you have to provide two. 01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:54.320 You just have to meet the requirements 01:01:54.320 --> 01:01:56.840 in the criteria manual, which says, you know, 01:01:56.840 --> 01:01:59.440 no parking within so many feet of an intersection, 01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:04.280 of a driveway, so it's not specifically mentioned in there. 01:02:04.280 --> 01:02:06.400 - Okay, and there's one other part, 1.6, 01:02:06.400 --> 01:02:10.720 it says areas in front of or within five feet of a driveway, 01:02:10.720 --> 01:02:12.600 within 20 feet of a street intersection, 01:02:12.600 --> 01:02:16.440 within 15 feet of our fire habit shall not be counted 01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:18.840 toward the required on-street parking. 01:02:18.840 --> 01:02:22.080 - So the on-street parking comment is mostly related to, 01:02:22.080 --> 01:02:24.800 let's say a multifamily development that were to come in, 01:02:24.800 --> 01:02:28.840 and they were adjacent to a roadway that would permit 01:02:28.840 --> 01:02:30.800 on-street parking, they would have to meet 01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:32.200 those requirements. 01:02:32.200 --> 01:02:33.600 - Okay, gotcha. 01:02:33.600 --> 01:02:34.880 Can I meet with you after the meeting 01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:36.880 just to get some clarification from my first-- 01:02:36.880 --> 01:02:37.880 - Sure. - Thank you. 01:02:37.880 --> 01:02:48.880 - So reviewing the transportation criteria manual, 01:02:48.880 --> 01:02:55.160 I'm trying to understand the bike lane 01:02:55.160 --> 01:03:00.120 and bike amenities in geometric standards 1.3. 01:03:00.120 --> 01:03:02.160 It seems like that's where that's really the only portion 01:03:02.160 --> 01:03:04.280 that really covers kind of the bike lanes. 01:03:04.280 --> 01:03:06.080 There's some definitions elsewhere. 01:03:06.080 --> 01:03:09.560 And there's a bike accommodation required 01:03:09.560 --> 01:03:13.280 and it's either parentheses seven or 10. 01:03:13.280 --> 01:03:17.660 And parentheses seven has a footnote about sidewalks. 01:03:17.660 --> 01:03:20.560 What is the number 10? 01:03:20.560 --> 01:03:24.080 - There should be a subnote 10 in there, I believe. 01:03:24.080 --> 01:03:25.360 - Well, yeah, the seven is a footnote, 01:03:25.360 --> 01:03:27.720 but then the 10 looks like a size, maybe? 01:03:27.720 --> 01:03:29.760 - Yeah, I think it's 10 foot width, the 10 foot width. 01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:30.920 - 10 foot width. 01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:33.920 - And is that an on-street accommodation? 01:03:33.920 --> 01:03:38.360 What is it, is that a shared lane, bike lane? 01:03:38.360 --> 01:03:42.880 - Yes, just stay. 01:03:42.880 --> 01:03:49.000 - So the table is there for reference 01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:50.880 to let you know whether or not, 01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:54.120 based on the classification of the roadway, 01:03:54.120 --> 01:03:57.960 what the minimum width of a facility would be. 01:03:57.960 --> 01:03:59.200 When a development comes in, 01:03:59.200 --> 01:04:01.520 they would have to look to our standard details, 01:04:01.520 --> 01:04:05.920 which would identify the urban roadway section 01:04:05.920 --> 01:04:07.960 and sidewalk section. 01:04:07.960 --> 01:04:10.920 And then on top of that, our developers, 01:04:10.920 --> 01:04:13.400 when they come in for a site plan, 01:04:13.400 --> 01:04:15.600 they would also need to reference our mobility plan 01:04:15.600 --> 01:04:17.520 and the bike plan element. 01:04:17.520 --> 01:04:21.040 So if there's no bicycle facilities called out 01:04:21.040 --> 01:04:23.160 on that specific roadway, 01:04:23.160 --> 01:04:26.600 they would not need to provide that facility there. 01:04:26.600 --> 01:04:28.840 So there's several places that a developer 01:04:28.840 --> 01:04:30.160 would need to go back and reference. 01:04:30.160 --> 01:04:32.000 So first, our mobility plan. 01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:33.560 And when they come in for developments, 01:04:33.560 --> 01:04:34.760 that's usually where we tell them, 01:04:34.760 --> 01:04:37.000 "Hey, you're located next to a collector. 01:04:37.000 --> 01:04:40.800 "This collector calls for bicycle facilities." 01:04:40.800 --> 01:04:45.880 Our bike plan does say whether it's a shared street, 01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:48.600 shared path, or otherwise, 01:04:48.600 --> 01:04:51.040 so that it's kind of a combination of several things. 01:04:51.040 --> 01:04:54.760 So for the criteria manual, it's just a basic reference. 01:04:54.760 --> 01:04:58.040 They would still need to go back to our mobility plan 01:04:58.040 --> 01:04:59.760 and to the standard details. 01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:04.760 - Okay, and this raises some concerns on new development, 01:05:04.760 --> 01:05:07.160 green field development, 01:05:07.160 --> 01:05:10.440 where if it's not in the bike plan, 01:05:10.440 --> 01:05:13.880 then you're not required to allocate footage to it. 01:05:14.920 --> 01:05:17.280 And then you build the road, 01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:19.320 and now we say five or 10 years later, 01:05:19.320 --> 01:05:22.280 "Oh, there's an elementary school or something." 01:05:22.280 --> 01:05:23.120 There's more development. 01:05:23.120 --> 01:05:27.840 Now, this residential collector becomes a bike path, 01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:30.880 but the road's too narrow and the right-of-way is narrow. 01:05:30.880 --> 01:05:34.440 And now, if you want a bike path, 01:05:34.440 --> 01:05:39.440 you have to remove parking or the front of somebody's yard 01:05:39.440 --> 01:05:41.680 or something like that in order to get those in. 01:05:41.680 --> 01:05:46.240 And so, and it might be addressed in the bike plan, 01:05:46.240 --> 01:05:51.000 but I do worry that there is a table 01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:54.480 and it's just unclear what it means. 01:05:54.480 --> 01:05:58.380 And not so much on where the bike plan exists 01:05:58.380 --> 01:06:01.680 in existing neighborhoods, but in the-- 01:06:01.680 --> 01:06:02.520 - Brand new. 01:06:02.520 --> 01:06:05.800 - 200 square miles of planned development 01:06:05.800 --> 01:06:08.840 we have around the outside of town 01:06:08.840 --> 01:06:11.760 that I think we can have some generic requirements 01:06:11.760 --> 01:06:13.840 about arterials and collectors and so forth, 01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:17.200 must have this amount of accommodation, 01:06:17.200 --> 01:06:19.480 even if they're not in the bike plan yet. 01:06:19.480 --> 01:06:23.600 And I think that would belong in the criteria manual, 01:06:23.600 --> 01:06:26.240 but it might belong somewhere else. 01:06:26.240 --> 01:06:27.200 And if a developer says, 01:06:27.200 --> 01:06:29.040 "Well, there's a reason why this arterial 01:06:29.040 --> 01:06:30.720 "doesn't need any bike accommodation," 01:06:30.720 --> 01:06:32.880 or, "There's a reason why this collector doesn't," 01:06:32.880 --> 01:06:35.920 then they can deviate from the manual. 01:06:35.920 --> 01:06:40.640 But to have it where the manual doesn't require it 01:06:40.640 --> 01:06:44.640 unless it's in the bike plan, we got to catch 22. 01:06:44.640 --> 01:06:47.600 Like the plan then comes back later and says, 01:06:47.600 --> 01:06:49.680 "Oh, you should have built it, but it's too late now." 01:06:49.680 --> 01:06:52.000 - Yeah, so that's a really great question, 01:06:52.000 --> 01:06:52.880 really great point. 01:06:52.880 --> 01:06:57.640 I think one of the ways that we're trying to plan 01:06:57.640 --> 01:07:00.640 for those future improvements is in our roadway sections 01:07:00.640 --> 01:07:03.060 and our classifications in the mobility plan. 01:07:03.060 --> 01:07:04.740 So based on that classification, 01:07:04.740 --> 01:07:06.280 there's certain right-of-way 01:07:06.280 --> 01:07:08.680 that a development would need to provide. 01:07:08.680 --> 01:07:12.200 In the development process, that's where we look at, 01:07:12.200 --> 01:07:13.680 is there future connectivity? 01:07:13.680 --> 01:07:15.680 Is there something that's warranting 01:07:15.680 --> 01:07:17.680 that our TIA would be another way 01:07:17.680 --> 01:07:20.640 for that connectivity to be called out? 01:07:20.640 --> 01:07:23.780 So there's probably ways that we could improve 01:07:23.780 --> 01:07:25.880 our criteria manual, maybe with a note. 01:07:25.880 --> 01:07:29.820 I believe there is language that calls references back 01:07:29.820 --> 01:07:31.840 to the mobility plan. 01:07:31.840 --> 01:07:35.080 So there's things in place to capture that 01:07:35.080 --> 01:07:38.280 where we would come back and make those improvements 01:07:38.280 --> 01:07:40.720 if the development didn't put it in first 01:07:40.720 --> 01:07:42.720 is through our capital improvements plan. 01:07:42.720 --> 01:07:44.320 So going back to the mobility plan, 01:07:44.320 --> 01:07:46.640 going back to the roadway or the right-of-way 01:07:46.640 --> 01:07:49.980 that's available, our CIP can capture that. 01:07:49.980 --> 01:07:54.140 - Yeah, and actually, so are the standard roadway designs, 01:07:54.140 --> 01:07:56.640 are they part of the, are they going to be part 01:07:56.640 --> 01:07:59.080 of this manual or are they a separate document 01:07:59.080 --> 01:08:00.680 that's got its own update cycle? 01:08:01.520 --> 01:08:04.880 - Yeah, for the standard details, 01:08:04.880 --> 01:08:07.120 those are a separate document, 01:08:07.120 --> 01:08:09.880 and those don't need to get council approval 01:08:09.880 --> 01:08:11.880 with the same process, the different process. 01:08:11.880 --> 01:08:13.920 It's more of a technical process, 01:08:13.920 --> 01:08:15.760 but we are in the process of updating those 01:08:15.760 --> 01:08:16.960 right now as well. 01:08:16.960 --> 01:08:18.360 And one of the things I also want to point out 01:08:18.360 --> 01:08:19.920 is that our mobility plan outlines 01:08:19.920 --> 01:08:23.040 that we need to have 10-foot side paths for streets, 01:08:23.040 --> 01:08:26.420 and those 10-foot side paths are the bike/pet facility, 01:08:26.420 --> 01:08:29.680 so you don't have to have an on-street bike route anymore 01:08:29.680 --> 01:08:32.400 'cause we're putting the bike, the 10-foot side path 01:08:32.400 --> 01:08:35.120 on the roadways to get the vehicles 01:08:35.120 --> 01:08:37.400 and the pedestrians separated. 01:08:37.400 --> 01:08:40.240 - Yeah, and I think that's actually one of the, 01:08:40.240 --> 01:08:41.640 I saw that in here and I wasn't sure 01:08:41.640 --> 01:08:43.660 if that was what the design was. 01:08:43.660 --> 01:08:45.860 So I have a couple of concerns. 01:08:45.860 --> 01:08:50.860 First, we have a lack of citizen oversight. 01:08:50.860 --> 01:08:57.600 If we have, if the manual says refer 01:08:57.600 --> 01:09:00.780 to the engineering drawings, and the engineering drawings 01:09:00.780 --> 01:09:05.600 are changed and approved without a board 01:09:05.600 --> 01:09:09.480 or city council approval, usually you would have 01:09:09.480 --> 01:09:12.760 your design drawings meet the requirements 01:09:12.760 --> 01:09:17.760 of the manuals, and also, you know, 01:09:17.760 --> 01:09:19.960 engineers would bring their engineering knowledge 01:09:19.960 --> 01:09:22.480 and make sure they're technically correct. 01:09:22.480 --> 01:09:26.360 To have this where the design manual 01:09:26.360 --> 01:09:28.560 defers to whatever the drawings are 01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:32.320 creates a lack of oversight. 01:09:32.320 --> 01:09:38.240 And second, side paths are one of the best ways 01:09:38.240 --> 01:09:45.520 to discourage cycling because they create 01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:47.880 lots of friction points, because every time 01:09:47.880 --> 01:09:52.880 a sidewalk reaches a road, you have multiple points 01:09:53.680 --> 01:09:57.000 of friction where, they're great for children, 01:09:57.000 --> 01:09:58.400 or somebody learning to ride a bike, 01:09:58.400 --> 01:10:00.600 or somebody who's moving very slowly, 01:10:00.600 --> 01:10:04.640 but if you're trying to ride through your neighborhood 01:10:04.640 --> 01:10:09.640 to somewhere, a store or an event or a night out or work, 01:10:09.640 --> 01:10:13.080 to have to stop at every intersection, 01:10:13.080 --> 01:10:16.140 become a pedestrian, basically, cars aren't looking 01:10:16.140 --> 01:10:19.740 at the sidewalk for a moving vehicle, 01:10:19.740 --> 01:10:21.880 where if you're riding in the street, 01:10:21.880 --> 01:10:26.720 then you, then cars see you, you don't have to yield 01:10:26.720 --> 01:10:29.240 to the cross streets, if you, you know, 01:10:29.240 --> 01:10:30.880 where you do have to yield to a cross street 01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:33.280 if you're on the sidewalk and hitting the cross street 01:10:33.280 --> 01:10:34.980 and then crossing the cross street. 01:10:34.980 --> 01:10:40.400 - I have a question for Mr. Taylor. 01:10:40.400 --> 01:10:41.280 - Okay. - Before you answer 01:10:41.280 --> 01:10:43.360 his question. - Sure. 01:10:43.360 --> 01:10:47.040 - This presupposes that bike paths should be included 01:10:47.040 --> 01:10:49.820 with roadway construction, is that your point? 01:10:51.140 --> 01:10:54.560 - Yes, and that the, well, they should be included 01:10:54.560 --> 01:10:55.860 where they are appropriate. 01:10:55.860 --> 01:11:00.040 And what neighborhoods do we want to declare 01:11:00.040 --> 01:11:02.200 should not be bikeable? 01:11:02.200 --> 01:11:05.840 - That'd be a discussion for another meeting. 01:11:05.840 --> 01:11:07.640 - Yes, sir, that's actually what I was gonna ask, 01:11:07.640 --> 01:11:10.240 Mr. Taylor, actually, the Public Utility Board 01:11:10.240 --> 01:11:12.280 only has the ability to make comment 01:11:12.280 --> 01:11:14.480 over the water, wastewater and drainage, 01:11:14.480 --> 01:11:16.440 so we are more than happy to listen 01:11:16.440 --> 01:11:19.000 to any of the questions or concerns that you have. 01:11:19.000 --> 01:11:21.360 These are actually posted on our website. 01:11:21.360 --> 01:11:23.040 Our team is more than happy to listen 01:11:23.040 --> 01:11:24.240 to any of those concerns, 01:11:24.240 --> 01:11:26.280 and they won't go to council 'til December, 01:11:26.280 --> 01:11:28.280 so we've got plenty of time to meet with you. 01:11:28.280 --> 01:11:31.360 But in respect for everyone else that's here, 01:11:31.360 --> 01:11:33.060 I'd like to ask if we could take 01:11:33.060 --> 01:11:34.680 the transportation-related questions 01:11:34.680 --> 01:11:35.840 and meet with you separately, sir, 01:11:35.840 --> 01:11:36.880 if that would be okay with you. 01:11:36.880 --> 01:11:40.080 - Okay, thank you. - That's not our purview, yeah. 01:11:40.080 --> 01:11:40.920 Thank you, Becky. 01:11:47.400 --> 01:11:49.800 And then also we added discussion about 01:11:49.800 --> 01:11:52.280 pedestrian access as well for the TIA, 01:11:52.280 --> 01:11:54.520 so look at getting it from points of interest 01:11:54.520 --> 01:11:55.680 to points of interest to include that 01:11:55.680 --> 01:11:57.240 as part of the development process as well. 01:11:57.240 --> 01:12:00.680 So we are trying to build those pedestrian facilities 01:12:00.680 --> 01:12:03.340 in all of development, so kind of all related. 01:12:03.340 --> 01:12:06.600 And then the last update, 01:12:06.600 --> 01:12:07.840 last criteria manual we had to update 01:12:07.840 --> 01:12:10.480 was our water, wastewater criteria manual. 01:12:10.480 --> 01:12:11.560 We actually went through and looked 01:12:11.560 --> 01:12:13.080 at some of the language in there. 01:12:13.080 --> 01:12:16.200 Our language was a little bit misleading 01:12:16.200 --> 01:12:18.000 in terms of the number of water meters 01:12:18.000 --> 01:12:20.320 for multifamily developments. 01:12:20.320 --> 01:12:22.280 Per state law, supposed to have a master meter 01:12:22.280 --> 01:12:23.520 for multifamily developments, 01:12:23.520 --> 01:12:27.400 with the development to have sub-meters to that, 01:12:27.400 --> 01:12:30.280 so we clarified that to be consistent with the law. 01:12:30.280 --> 01:12:33.760 We added discussion on backflow prevention, yes. 01:12:33.760 --> 01:12:37.120 - So you're allowing sub-meters on a multi? 01:12:37.120 --> 01:12:40.440 - Yes. - Okay. 01:12:40.440 --> 01:12:41.920 That's it. - More comment? 01:12:41.920 --> 01:12:44.120 - No, that answers it. - No, that's it, yes. 01:12:44.120 --> 01:12:45.720 - We're all good. (laughs) 01:12:45.720 --> 01:12:47.920 And then we also added discussion on backflow prevention, 01:12:47.920 --> 01:12:50.000 which is also another requirement, 01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:51.240 something that we were doing, 01:12:51.240 --> 01:12:54.200 but we didn't outline it and have formal discussion on it, 01:12:54.200 --> 01:12:56.200 so we included that. 01:12:56.200 --> 01:12:58.480 We had a table within that document 01:12:58.480 --> 01:13:00.960 that discussed separation of utilities. 01:13:00.960 --> 01:13:04.480 It primarily dealt with crossing utilities, 01:13:04.480 --> 01:13:07.000 so when you had private franchise utilities, 01:13:07.000 --> 01:13:09.840 such as gas and whatever else, 01:13:09.840 --> 01:13:12.480 crossing our public facilities, 01:13:12.480 --> 01:13:14.720 the table was being misused and misinterpreted, 01:13:14.720 --> 01:13:17.120 so we went through and tried to clarify that table 01:13:17.120 --> 01:13:18.640 to make it easier to understand, 01:13:18.640 --> 01:13:20.840 so we got fewer questions on it. 01:13:20.840 --> 01:13:24.040 And we also added a discussion on grease traps 01:13:24.040 --> 01:13:26.720 and grit traps, which kinda seems like a weird location 01:13:26.720 --> 01:13:29.560 to have it in the Wastewater Criteria Manual. 01:13:29.560 --> 01:13:30.880 We talked about this a little bit. 01:13:30.880 --> 01:13:33.520 We talked about do we need to put it into a health code 01:13:33.520 --> 01:13:34.960 because it relates to restaurants 01:13:34.960 --> 01:13:39.520 and places that are food processing facilities, 01:13:39.520 --> 01:13:42.320 and the decision was we need to discuss it somewhere, 01:13:42.320 --> 01:13:44.880 and because if anything of those overflow, 01:13:44.880 --> 01:13:46.720 they flow into our wastewater system, 01:13:46.720 --> 01:13:48.560 and so we thought the best place to put it 01:13:48.560 --> 01:13:49.440 would be to have it here, 01:13:49.440 --> 01:13:50.840 to have some sort of discussion 01:13:50.840 --> 01:13:53.480 to capture the requirements related to that. 01:13:53.480 --> 01:13:54.960 - It impacts your wastewater, 01:13:54.960 --> 01:13:57.120 so it's appropriate to be in there. 01:13:57.120 --> 01:13:58.520 - Yep. 01:13:58.520 --> 01:13:59.520 When we first talked about it, 01:13:59.520 --> 01:14:01.080 we were like, does it really need to go here? 01:14:01.080 --> 01:14:03.240 So we had a little bit of discussion on that. 01:14:03.240 --> 01:14:06.400 So for our next steps, 01:14:06.400 --> 01:14:07.800 our next presentation is gonna be 01:14:07.800 --> 01:14:11.280 to the Texas Society of Professional Engineers in November. 01:14:11.280 --> 01:14:13.240 We will do another update to City Council 01:14:13.240 --> 01:14:15.120 via Friday report. 01:14:15.120 --> 01:14:16.800 We will eventually advertise this 01:14:16.800 --> 01:14:20.040 to Denton Record Chronicle that we are making the updates. 01:14:20.040 --> 01:14:22.240 We do have everything posted online 01:14:22.240 --> 01:14:25.320 for comment and feedback from the public. 01:14:25.320 --> 01:14:26.720 All those comments will be reviewed 01:14:26.720 --> 01:14:30.440 and either analyzed and added to the criteria manuals 01:14:30.440 --> 01:14:32.840 before it goes to Council in December. 01:14:32.840 --> 01:14:35.720 Again, here's our layout. 01:14:35.720 --> 01:14:38.600 So we have about halfway through our public output, 01:14:38.600 --> 01:14:41.920 public outreach. 01:14:41.920 --> 01:14:43.760 And do you have any questions? 01:14:43.760 --> 01:14:46.040 Mr. Beck. 01:14:46.040 --> 01:14:47.320 - Just one real quick. 01:14:47.320 --> 01:14:48.800 For my own personal edification, 01:14:48.800 --> 01:14:51.320 criteria manuals are just informational 01:14:51.320 --> 01:14:54.240 for developers, concerns and stuff like that. 01:14:54.240 --> 01:14:58.400 As far as what's required by ordinance or law, 01:14:58.400 --> 01:15:00.600 that's gonna be in the development code, is that right? 01:15:00.600 --> 01:15:03.040 - So the criteria manuals we actually, 01:15:03.040 --> 01:15:04.800 we hold the developers. 01:15:04.800 --> 01:15:07.640 Those are like a guiding document for the city. 01:15:07.640 --> 01:15:08.880 - Do they have enforcement power? 01:15:08.880 --> 01:15:10.440 - Yes, yes they do, yes. 01:15:10.440 --> 01:15:13.680 - Okay, so if somebody had a particular issue 01:15:13.680 --> 01:15:16.560 within these criteria manuals, they could cite that. 01:15:16.560 --> 01:15:17.560 - Correct. - Okay. 01:15:17.560 --> 01:15:19.480 - So we actually do have a process. 01:15:19.480 --> 01:15:21.880 We have a Monday meeting every Monday afternoon 01:15:21.880 --> 01:15:24.960 where developments or projects that are unable 01:15:24.960 --> 01:15:27.360 to meet certain criteria within the manual, 01:15:27.360 --> 01:15:28.520 they request a variance. 01:15:28.520 --> 01:15:29.960 We're kind of working on the language, 01:15:29.960 --> 01:15:31.720 but for now it's called a variance. 01:15:31.720 --> 01:15:35.440 And the language conflicts with the development codes 01:15:35.440 --> 01:15:38.560 are looking at different terms instead of the word variance. 01:15:38.560 --> 01:15:41.240 But they request a variance from the city engineer, 01:15:41.240 --> 01:15:42.080 from Becky. 01:15:42.080 --> 01:15:45.480 We meet internally, discuss the proposed change. 01:15:45.480 --> 01:15:46.840 Why can't they meet the change? 01:15:46.840 --> 01:15:50.520 We analyze and determine if it's an acceptable reason 01:15:50.520 --> 01:15:53.720 to not design to our city standard. 01:15:53.720 --> 01:15:56.880 And then we sign off on if it's acceptable or not. 01:15:56.880 --> 01:15:57.920 - Okay, thanks. 01:15:57.920 --> 01:16:00.120 - Other questions? 01:16:00.120 --> 01:16:04.760 - Thank you. - All right, thank you. 01:16:06.080 --> 01:16:09.760 - All right, it is 10/17. 01:16:09.760 --> 01:16:12.440 Do we have a motion to adjourn? 01:16:12.440 --> 01:16:14.560 Okay, we got two over here. 01:16:14.560 --> 01:16:15.840 Lee and Larry are fighting. 01:16:15.840 --> 01:16:16.920 We have our adjourn.