WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.000 - Good afternoon and welcome to the City of Denton's 00:00:05.000 --> 00:00:12.360 planning and zoning work session for Wednesday, 00:00:12.360 --> 00:00:16.160 October 12th, 2022 at 5.01 with a quorum present, 00:00:16.160 --> 00:00:18.320 I will call us to order. 00:00:18.320 --> 00:00:21.400 The first item on our work session agenda 00:00:21.400 --> 00:00:24.780 is citizen comment for the consent agenda. 00:00:24.780 --> 00:00:29.640 Is there anyone here wishing to speak on the consent agenda? 00:00:30.880 --> 00:00:35.520 Okay, seeing none, we'll go ahead and move to clarification 00:00:35.520 --> 00:00:38.240 of items on our agenda. 00:00:38.240 --> 00:00:43.240 First thing is our minutes for the 28th. 00:00:43.240 --> 00:00:45.080 Anything on that? 00:00:45.080 --> 00:00:48.680 Okay. 00:00:48.680 --> 00:00:50.840 Any questions from the commission on the consent agenda? 00:00:50.840 --> 00:00:53.760 We've got one preliminary plait. 00:00:56.120 --> 00:01:00.360 Okay, then items for individual consideration. 00:01:00.360 --> 00:01:05.240 The first one is the P&Z calendar for 2023. 00:01:05.240 --> 00:01:08.880 Haley, do you have something to say on that? 00:01:08.880 --> 00:01:09.720 - Yeah, I was just gonna add, 00:01:09.720 --> 00:01:11.400 we do have a separate work session item for that, 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:13.000 so we can skip that for now 00:01:13.000 --> 00:01:14.360 and we'll come back to it at the work session. 00:01:14.360 --> 00:01:16.540 - That sounds great, okay, perfect. 00:01:16.540 --> 00:01:23.340 Item four B, I'll go ahead and invite Mia up on that one. 00:01:24.120 --> 00:01:28.120 That was one I believe we did get an email on 00:01:28.120 --> 00:01:30.280 that has changed from our original backup. 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:32.080 - Yes, correct. 00:01:32.080 --> 00:01:34.520 So this is a final plait for 00:01:34.520 --> 00:01:37.200 Razor Ranch Town Center addition, 00:01:37.200 --> 00:01:39.120 and essentially they are wanting to establish 00:01:39.120 --> 00:01:40.740 the easements associated with the development 00:01:40.740 --> 00:01:41.800 of the Razor Ranch Town Center. 00:01:41.800 --> 00:01:43.880 It's located south of West University, 00:01:43.880 --> 00:01:48.460 just east of I-35 in the Razor Ranch South Campus, 00:01:48.460 --> 00:01:50.100 and since the report went out, 00:01:50.100 --> 00:01:52.520 staff was able to work to make sure that 00:01:52.520 --> 00:01:53.860 they satisfied all the right comments, 00:01:53.860 --> 00:01:55.400 so we are recommending approval. 00:01:55.400 --> 00:01:56.240 - Okay, great. 00:01:56.240 --> 00:01:59.980 Any questions from the commission on that? 00:01:59.980 --> 00:02:01.600 Okay, thanks, Mia. 00:02:01.600 --> 00:02:05.200 Four B, no, that was four B, excuse me. 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:08.520 Four C, that was another one that we got an email on, 00:02:08.520 --> 00:02:10.220 and I'll let Julie explain that. 00:02:10.220 --> 00:02:15.160 - Good evening, Julie Wyatt, 00:02:15.160 --> 00:02:17.680 senior planner with the City of Denton. 00:02:17.680 --> 00:02:20.780 This is a preliminary plait for the Audreau subdivision. 00:02:22.400 --> 00:02:24.960 Staff's original recommendation was for denial. 00:02:24.960 --> 00:02:26.960 They had two issues that they had to address 00:02:26.960 --> 00:02:28.440 in order to get to approval. 00:02:28.440 --> 00:02:30.300 They have satisfied those comments, 00:02:30.300 --> 00:02:33.280 and so staff is now recommending approval of this plait. 00:02:33.280 --> 00:02:34.680 I'll be happy to answer any questions. 00:02:34.680 --> 00:02:35.720 - Thanks, Julie. - Thank you. 00:02:35.720 --> 00:02:36.560 - Any questions? 00:02:36.560 --> 00:02:41.480 Okay, and if you did not see the email that came out, 00:02:41.480 --> 00:02:43.160 four D has been withdrawn, 00:02:43.160 --> 00:02:46.020 so we will not be taking action on that today. 00:02:46.020 --> 00:02:50.560 That will take us to our public hearings for this evening. 00:02:50.560 --> 00:02:51.840 Did Sean walk in? 00:02:52.880 --> 00:02:54.360 There you are, hi. 00:02:54.360 --> 00:02:56.760 Do you wanna give a quick synopsis of our first one? 00:02:56.760 --> 00:02:58.360 I believe that, yeah. 00:02:58.360 --> 00:03:00.180 You are up first, please. 00:03:00.180 --> 00:03:15.000 Just make sure I pull this up. 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:17.960 Okay. 00:03:22.920 --> 00:03:25.920 All right, good evening, chair and members of the commission. 00:03:25.920 --> 00:03:30.920 So this is a request for a zoning change 00:03:30.920 --> 00:03:34.640 from mixed-use residential to light industrial zoning. 00:03:34.640 --> 00:03:37.240 This is out on properties located 00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:42.240 between Barthol Road and FM 1173, about 53 acres there. 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:45.840 It is mostly undeveloped, one single-family lot 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:47.860 and one-plugged gas station. 00:03:47.860 --> 00:03:49.200 It's a three-story building, 00:03:49.200 --> 00:03:53.400 undeveloped, one single-family lot and one-plugged gas well. 00:03:53.400 --> 00:03:56.360 The applicant's proposed use is industrial, of course. 00:03:56.360 --> 00:03:58.200 Any use permitted in the LI Zoning District 00:03:58.200 --> 00:04:01.200 would be permitted, and staff is in support 00:04:01.200 --> 00:04:03.120 because this does meet our future land use 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:05.400 of light industrial and as well 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:07.040 as our comprehensive plan goals. 00:04:07.040 --> 00:04:08.280 Happy to answer any questions. 00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:09.280 - Perfect. 00:04:09.280 --> 00:04:10.520 Do we have any questions? 00:04:10.520 --> 00:04:14.080 Okay, perfect. 00:04:14.080 --> 00:04:16.200 Thank you very much. 00:04:16.200 --> 00:04:21.200 Taking us to 5B, and Angie is here for that one. 00:04:21.200 --> 00:04:23.760 Hello. 00:04:23.760 --> 00:04:26.960 - Hi, good evening. 00:04:26.960 --> 00:04:28.240 Get this pulled up. 00:04:28.240 --> 00:04:37.480 This is a zoning change request Z220014. 00:04:37.480 --> 00:04:40.960 The proposed request is for approximately 84.9 acres 00:04:40.960 --> 00:04:43.760 of land situated on East McKinney Street. 00:04:43.760 --> 00:04:46.360 It has a current zoning of rural residential. 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:49.120 There's some mixed-use neighborhood 00:04:49.120 --> 00:04:52.160 as well as some R4 on the subject property. 00:04:52.160 --> 00:04:53.760 It is predominantly undeveloped 00:04:53.760 --> 00:04:55.360 on the eastern portion of the property. 00:04:55.360 --> 00:04:58.320 There are three detached single-family dwellings. 00:04:58.320 --> 00:05:00.560 In the southwest corner of the subject property, 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:02.960 there is some existing FEMA floodplain 00:05:02.960 --> 00:05:06.260 as well as a 50-foot wide Atmos gas easement. 00:05:06.260 --> 00:05:10.680 The proposed zoning district for this project is R6 00:05:10.680 --> 00:05:12.480 to facilitate the development 00:05:12.480 --> 00:05:14.960 of a single-family residential neighborhood. 00:05:14.960 --> 00:05:19.320 Staff is recommending approval of this request. 00:05:19.320 --> 00:05:22.360 It is consistent with the future land use designation 00:05:22.360 --> 00:05:24.400 of low residential and complies 00:05:24.400 --> 00:05:26.800 with our approval criteria in subchapter two. 00:05:26.800 --> 00:05:29.520 - Great, thank you, Angie. 00:05:29.520 --> 00:05:30.880 Questions on this one? 00:05:30.880 --> 00:05:37.400 Okay, thank you very much. 00:05:37.400 --> 00:05:42.400 With regard to 5C, that item is needing to be postponed. 00:05:42.840 --> 00:05:44.240 We are gonna open the public hearing. 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:45.840 It's not going to be re-noticed. 00:05:45.840 --> 00:05:48.560 The signs have been placed on the property already. 00:05:48.560 --> 00:05:50.840 So I will open the public hearing, leave it open, 00:05:50.840 --> 00:05:53.320 and then we'll, for a motion to postpone it 00:05:53.320 --> 00:05:56.120 to a date certain of October 26th. 00:05:56.120 --> 00:05:58.120 Okay, any questions with regard to that? 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:01.520 Okay, okay, awesome. 00:06:01.520 --> 00:06:03.120 Then that takes us through our agenda. 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:05.840 We'll get into our work session reports. 00:06:05.840 --> 00:06:10.280 3A, PZ 22, 232. 00:06:10.280 --> 00:06:12.600 We're gonna receive a report and hold a discussion 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:15.040 on our updates of our criteria manuals. 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:18.580 I'm not sure who is going first on this. 00:06:18.580 --> 00:06:21.960 Good afternoon. 00:06:21.960 --> 00:06:22.880 - Good afternoon. 00:06:22.880 --> 00:06:29.560 So thank you everybody for letting me come here 00:06:29.560 --> 00:06:31.800 and speak to you about the criteria manuals. 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:32.880 My name is Brett Bourgeois. 00:06:32.880 --> 00:06:34.240 I am the Deputy City Engineer 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:36.920 in the Capital Projects and Engineering Department. 00:06:37.840 --> 00:06:40.440 And so we're gonna talk about the criteria manuals 00:06:40.440 --> 00:06:41.480 that we have. 00:06:41.480 --> 00:06:43.320 We go through an update process. 00:06:43.320 --> 00:06:45.480 We're gonna lay out what our public outreach plan is, 00:06:45.480 --> 00:06:48.240 including this meeting, what our background was 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:50.360 in terms of having to develop these criteria manuals 00:06:50.360 --> 00:06:51.560 and make edits to them. 00:06:51.560 --> 00:06:54.680 Walk through some highlight revisions 00:06:54.680 --> 00:06:57.840 to each criteria manual, then lay out our next steps. 00:06:57.840 --> 00:07:00.480 In addition to myself, we brought various experts 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:02.280 from different departments to answer any questions 00:07:02.280 --> 00:07:03.480 that you may have. 00:07:03.480 --> 00:07:07.080 So as you can see, we have a pretty extensive 00:07:07.080 --> 00:07:09.360 public outreach plan laid out. 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:11.080 Starting tonight, we're gonna do 00:07:11.080 --> 00:07:12.880 the Planning and Zoning Commission. 00:07:12.880 --> 00:07:14.920 Tomorrow, we'll do Developer Town Hall. 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:18.360 Then we publish the manuals online on Friday 00:07:18.360 --> 00:07:19.400 for public comment. 00:07:19.400 --> 00:07:22.480 So we're, various meetings going to all the boards 00:07:22.480 --> 00:07:24.720 and commissions before we go to the city council 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:26.920 in December and hold a public hearing 00:07:26.920 --> 00:07:30.480 and go for adoption to take effect on January 1st. 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:34.440 So a little bit of background. 00:07:34.440 --> 00:07:36.120 The criteria manuals went for several years 00:07:36.120 --> 00:07:37.440 while being updated. 00:07:37.440 --> 00:07:40.320 Last year, they did a revision, an update to them 00:07:40.320 --> 00:07:42.600 that was led by, I believe, Becky and Scott McDonald 00:07:42.600 --> 00:07:44.160 and some other folks. 00:07:44.160 --> 00:07:45.680 One of the tasks we want to do 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:48.160 is make periodic updates throughout every year. 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:49.960 We do annual updates on it. 00:07:49.960 --> 00:07:52.640 And so to do that process, we kicked off 00:07:52.640 --> 00:07:54.760 in about April, weekly meetings. 00:07:54.760 --> 00:07:57.000 We held meetings every Thursday from 10 a.m. 00:07:57.000 --> 00:08:00.000 until 12 p.m., so a two-hour block in the morning. 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:02.600 We got all departments represented in the meeting. 00:08:02.600 --> 00:08:04.680 Went through every manual, every criteria manual, 00:08:04.680 --> 00:08:06.640 every detail on it. 00:08:06.640 --> 00:08:08.000 Spent several weeks on each manual, 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:10.720 so we went in pretty good depth on them. 00:08:10.720 --> 00:08:13.840 And so that was done over the course of the spring. 00:08:13.840 --> 00:08:15.080 The summertime, we actually went through 00:08:15.080 --> 00:08:16.960 and made those edits and updates. 00:08:16.960 --> 00:08:18.840 And now we're starting here with our public outreach 00:08:18.840 --> 00:08:20.480 and to present what we're doing 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:22.840 in terms of modifications to that. 00:08:22.840 --> 00:08:25.880 Again, we're here to get public comments 00:08:25.880 --> 00:08:27.840 and go that direction in addition to posting 00:08:27.840 --> 00:08:30.560 on the website for comment to the public. 00:08:30.560 --> 00:08:32.680 We're also gonna publish and post in the newspaper 00:08:32.680 --> 00:08:34.320 that we are updating the criteria manuals 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:37.880 to get additional comments from the public. 00:08:37.880 --> 00:08:39.960 And then one of the things that we noticed 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:41.960 in terms of going through the criteria manual updates 00:08:41.960 --> 00:08:44.600 is that we had various different formats. 00:08:44.600 --> 00:08:45.960 We had different styles. 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:49.240 We had conflict of information across the criteria manuals. 00:08:49.240 --> 00:08:50.840 We had information repeated. 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:53.400 So one of our goals is to eventually 00:08:53.400 --> 00:08:54.880 combine these into one document, 00:08:54.880 --> 00:08:57.720 just like how we had the development code, 00:08:57.720 --> 00:09:00.520 where it's one document for all developers to use 00:09:00.520 --> 00:09:02.720 with different chapters for every subject that we're going on. 00:09:02.720 --> 00:09:04.960 So that's one of our goals towards next year 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:07.480 is to simplify this, make it more coherent 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:09.480 and a little bit easier for everybody to use. 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:12.360 So a little bit of highlight 00:09:12.360 --> 00:09:14.520 in terms of what the criteria manuals are. 00:09:14.520 --> 00:09:17.520 The Denton Development Code 00:09:17.520 --> 00:09:19.560 is our policy and procedure documents. 00:09:19.560 --> 00:09:22.560 It lays out the guiding principles that the city wants. 00:09:22.560 --> 00:09:23.920 It goes through the procedure 00:09:23.920 --> 00:09:25.360 so everybody develops the same way 00:09:25.360 --> 00:09:27.160 and everything gets done the same way. 00:09:27.160 --> 00:09:30.120 The criteria manuals are really the design details 00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:32.880 and technical information on how to actually achieve 00:09:32.880 --> 00:09:35.760 those developmental goals. 00:09:35.760 --> 00:09:37.840 In addition to that, we have the standard specifications 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:40.240 and standard details that get even more into the minutia 00:09:40.240 --> 00:09:43.920 in terms of this is how you actually build these connections, 00:09:43.920 --> 00:09:47.120 build these roadways, the details of how they're laid out. 00:09:47.120 --> 00:09:50.080 So we have different levels of documents. 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:51.680 And you can kind of see how we have it laid out 00:09:51.680 --> 00:09:55.880 where the Denton Development Code provides the guidance. 00:09:55.880 --> 00:09:57.320 The design, the criteria manuals 00:09:57.320 --> 00:09:59.120 give us the technical details. 00:09:59.120 --> 00:10:01.440 The specifications tell us how it's supposed to be built 00:10:01.440 --> 00:10:03.240 and the standard details show us 00:10:03.240 --> 00:10:05.480 how it actually gets implemented. 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:10.360 So in terms of the Solid Waste Criteria Manual, 00:10:10.360 --> 00:10:12.600 last year they did a full rewrite of their manual. 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:17.200 So the previous revisions was in 2008, I believe. 00:10:17.200 --> 00:10:19.520 So they basically did a full rewrite of it last year. 00:10:19.520 --> 00:10:22.000 So this year was actually our shortest meeting on it. 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:23.640 They think they had two comments, 00:10:23.640 --> 00:10:26.360 said we wrote it last year, we're very happy with it. 00:10:26.360 --> 00:10:28.080 Let's make a couple of clarifications. 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:29.880 One of the clarifications was, 00:10:29.880 --> 00:10:32.360 hey, we had a paragraph previously that stated 00:10:32.360 --> 00:10:35.160 the city was the sole provider of solid waste 00:10:35.160 --> 00:10:37.320 and recycling services within the city. 00:10:37.320 --> 00:10:39.520 We removed that and now we're getting questions on that. 00:10:39.520 --> 00:10:42.160 Let's put that back in to solidify that. 00:10:42.160 --> 00:10:44.880 We provide all this recycling and solid waste services, 00:10:44.880 --> 00:10:45.960 even during construction. 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:48.320 So we added that back into the criteria manual 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:50.040 to clarify that. 00:10:50.040 --> 00:10:52.920 Another thing was that they wanted to add a single enclosure 00:10:52.920 --> 00:10:55.720 to the end as an option, 00:10:55.720 --> 00:10:58.200 they wanted to add a single enclosure in addition to a 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:01.640 roll-off compacted enclosure for multi-family developments. 00:11:01.640 --> 00:11:03.760 Gives more flexibility for the developments 00:11:03.760 --> 00:11:05.080 that they've noticed. 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:08.560 And we've also reduced the alleyway minimum width, 00:11:08.560 --> 00:11:11.640 paved section down to 15 feet from 20 feet. 00:11:11.640 --> 00:11:13.720 That's consistent with other jurisdictions. 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:15.520 It's also consistent with our mobility plan 00:11:15.520 --> 00:11:17.520 and our transportation criteria. 00:11:17.520 --> 00:11:20.440 So we kind of had this gap in there that we solidified 00:11:20.440 --> 00:11:23.000 all the information across different manuals. 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:29.000 For the stormwater criteria manual, we went through it. 00:11:29.000 --> 00:11:31.720 We noticed that there are several definitions and terms 00:11:31.720 --> 00:11:34.200 throughout the document that were not defined 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:35.640 and were causing some confusion. 00:11:35.640 --> 00:11:38.000 So we went through and defined all those terms properly 00:11:38.000 --> 00:11:41.440 throughout the definitions portion of the document. 00:11:41.440 --> 00:11:45.200 We also went through and we noticed that all development, 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:47.360 all projects had to be designed to what's called 00:11:47.360 --> 00:11:48.600 the flood mitigation event, 00:11:48.600 --> 00:11:51.720 which is essentially the 100 year flood storm. 00:11:51.720 --> 00:11:54.000 Where we were doing project either internally 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:58.640 or in downtown urban areas, it became so cost prohibitive 00:11:58.640 --> 00:12:01.560 and restrictive in terms of developing those projects 00:12:01.560 --> 00:12:04.560 that the stormwater aspect made it impossible 00:12:04.560 --> 00:12:06.080 to actually get any work done. 00:12:06.080 --> 00:12:07.600 So we talked about it and we realized, 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:11.400 hey, any incremental upgrade is better than no upgrade. 00:12:11.400 --> 00:12:13.480 And so we allowed some language in there 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:16.080 for replacement of existing structures 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:17.880 or modification of existing structures. 00:12:17.880 --> 00:12:20.560 We can allow for a smaller improvement 00:12:20.560 --> 00:12:22.080 with the permission of the city engineer 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:23.120 and engineering department. 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:25.160 So it gives us some flexibility 00:12:25.160 --> 00:12:26.960 to allow for redevelopment downtown. 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:29.480 It gives us some flexibility for our own internal projects 00:12:29.480 --> 00:12:32.960 and streets to offer smaller improvements 00:12:32.960 --> 00:12:35.080 that are still getting us a better product 00:12:35.080 --> 00:12:36.720 instead of having this massive improvement 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:38.600 that makes the projects unattainable 00:12:38.600 --> 00:12:39.960 and impossible to complete. 00:12:39.960 --> 00:12:42.960 And one of the things we also found 00:12:42.960 --> 00:12:46.040 is that our standard specifications restrict us 00:12:46.040 --> 00:12:49.240 from using corrugated metal pipe culverts and driveways. 00:12:49.240 --> 00:12:51.200 However, that was still added in our criteria manual. 00:12:51.200 --> 00:12:52.600 So we struck that from there as well. 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:55.240 So that way we're consistent with our standard practice 00:12:55.240 --> 00:12:56.560 across all documents. 00:12:56.560 --> 00:13:01.520 So as you're probably all aware 00:13:01.520 --> 00:13:05.400 is that we adopted the mobility plan in March of this year. 00:13:05.400 --> 00:13:06.360 And so as part of that, 00:13:06.360 --> 00:13:08.760 we define all the roadway cross-sections, 00:13:08.760 --> 00:13:10.280 roadway requirements. 00:13:10.280 --> 00:13:12.120 And so we updated the geometric standards 00:13:12.120 --> 00:13:14.920 of our transportation and our transportation criteria manual 00:13:14.920 --> 00:13:16.880 to match the mobility plan 00:13:16.880 --> 00:13:20.840 in terms of road sections with the lane characteristics. 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:22.440 We also added turn lane warrants. 00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:24.320 So when we have one installed turn lanes, 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:27.440 we had no defined procedure for this to work. 00:13:27.440 --> 00:13:31.880 And so we lined out the procedure, the warrant counts. 00:13:31.880 --> 00:13:33.160 How do we make it standardized 00:13:33.160 --> 00:13:34.120 so that way we can define 00:13:34.120 --> 00:13:35.800 how big the turn lanes are supposed to be, 00:13:35.800 --> 00:13:37.120 how long they're supposed to be, 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:40.920 and if that roadway actually needs a turn in that location. 00:13:40.920 --> 00:13:44.400 We also updated our on-street parking standards. 00:13:44.400 --> 00:13:47.760 We were already designing them 00:13:47.760 --> 00:13:51.120 to ADA and PROAG requirements, but it wasn't clear. 00:13:51.120 --> 00:13:54.360 And so we just added that we're following 00:13:54.360 --> 00:13:56.960 the ADA and PROAG standards. 00:13:56.960 --> 00:13:59.760 We updated the cross-sections, the details for those, 00:13:59.760 --> 00:14:02.560 the width, the access points, all those types of things. 00:14:02.560 --> 00:14:07.360 We also added as part of our safety push within the city, 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:10.560 vision zero and mobility plan, other things. 00:14:10.560 --> 00:14:12.240 We've added safety assessment 00:14:12.240 --> 00:14:14.440 as part of our traffic impact analysis. 00:14:14.440 --> 00:14:17.760 So not only do they have to look at the trip generation, 00:14:17.760 --> 00:14:20.160 the amount of turns, intersections are being impacted, 00:14:20.160 --> 00:14:21.920 but also look at it from a safety standpoint 00:14:21.920 --> 00:14:24.000 to make sure that we are accommodating 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:26.720 safe intersections, safe access. 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:27.840 - Brian, can I ask you a question on that? 00:14:27.840 --> 00:14:28.680 - Yes, go ahead. 00:14:28.680 --> 00:14:31.040 - So with regard to a safety assessment, 00:14:31.040 --> 00:14:33.960 I mean, are you giving them things to look for? 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:37.440 I mean, how is that gonna be determined? 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:39.680 - Yeah, so we lay out actually things for them to consider 00:14:39.680 --> 00:14:42.600 and to revise and to look at and provide comments on 00:14:42.600 --> 00:14:45.240 in terms of how is the safe conditions done. 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:46.880 And the pre-term actually has more information. 00:14:46.880 --> 00:14:48.800 He can respond to that in more detail. 00:14:51.000 --> 00:14:52.960 (clears throat) 00:14:52.960 --> 00:14:55.840 - Good afternoon, Preetam Deshmukh, transportation planning. 00:14:55.840 --> 00:14:57.960 Yeah, I think just to give you a quick example 00:14:57.960 --> 00:15:00.440 of understanding, there are a lot of rural roadways 00:15:00.440 --> 00:15:02.880 with rural cross-section with two lanes. 00:15:02.880 --> 00:15:06.520 And typically when a development comes in, 00:15:06.520 --> 00:15:08.960 not necessarily every TIA triggers 00:15:08.960 --> 00:15:11.280 an introduction of a left turn lane. 00:15:11.280 --> 00:15:13.920 So what we're doing is with the safety assessment, 00:15:13.920 --> 00:15:16.840 making sure that a left turn lane is provided, 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:19.840 getting the turning vehicles out of the travel lane 00:15:19.840 --> 00:15:22.960 so that that makes a safer bay 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:26.200 or a stacking area for the vehicle to stand 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:28.520 until they can safely make the left. 00:15:28.520 --> 00:15:30.240 And that is just one example, 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:32.600 but there are several examples that are in there 00:15:32.600 --> 00:15:35.400 that we can assess as part of the safety 00:15:35.400 --> 00:15:40.400 and not necessarily rely on the TIA results. 00:15:40.400 --> 00:15:44.920 - So the safety assessment is gonna be different 00:15:44.920 --> 00:15:47.080 for each project then? 00:15:47.080 --> 00:15:48.880 - It may be a project specific, 00:15:48.880 --> 00:15:51.000 just depending on the access where they are 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:53.160 and depending on how they connect. 00:15:53.160 --> 00:15:55.280 If a school is nearby that would trigger 00:15:55.280 --> 00:15:58.120 some other requirements for that particular project, 00:15:58.120 --> 00:16:00.440 but yes, it would be project specific. 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:04.360 It would also be more defined in the scoping 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:07.440 when we're talking to developers for the TIA. 00:16:07.440 --> 00:16:08.800 - That you would drill down exactly 00:16:08.800 --> 00:16:10.520 what they're gonna have to measure and whatnot. 00:16:10.520 --> 00:16:13.760 Okay, then I had another question you probably can answer. 00:16:13.760 --> 00:16:15.640 'Cause as I was reading through that, 00:16:16.480 --> 00:16:20.160 it said the area will be looked at 00:16:20.160 --> 00:16:22.480 in the vicinity of the project site. 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:24.640 That seems really vague. 00:16:24.640 --> 00:16:26.600 So again, are we dealing because 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:28.800 we're dealing with each project individually, 00:16:28.800 --> 00:16:30.600 but when you just say vicinity, 00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:31.480 I mean, what does that mean? 00:16:31.480 --> 00:16:34.720 Like a couple of blocks, a quarter mile, 00:16:34.720 --> 00:16:35.920 but what does that mean? 00:16:35.920 --> 00:16:36.760 - Yeah, it's funny. 00:16:36.760 --> 00:16:38.800 This question was just raised earlier today. 00:16:38.800 --> 00:16:40.120 (laughing) 00:16:40.120 --> 00:16:44.280 So we have a list of pointers there. 00:16:44.280 --> 00:16:47.440 Typically projects we're looking at a two mile radius 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:51.440 and any arterial to arterial or arterial collector 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:54.840 intersections that are either signalized 00:16:54.840 --> 00:16:57.320 or even some of them are stop control 00:16:57.320 --> 00:16:59.520 because some of them are rural cross-sections, 00:16:59.520 --> 00:17:01.680 but we're looking at all of those intersections 00:17:01.680 --> 00:17:02.600 in the vicinity. 00:17:02.600 --> 00:17:04.040 And if a project is larger, 00:17:04.040 --> 00:17:06.160 if you have more than 500-peak hour trips, 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:07.720 then we may expand the area 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:09.600 to look at the nearest freeway connections, 00:17:09.600 --> 00:17:11.920 nearest highway connections, and so on and so forth. 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:13.680 But typically it's within the two mile radius. 00:17:13.680 --> 00:17:15.200 - So you would let them know 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:16.880 what vicinity means at that point 00:17:16.880 --> 00:17:18.680 so there's not, like they don't bring you a report 00:17:18.680 --> 00:17:20.880 and you say, oh, sorry, you didn't go far enough, but. 00:17:20.880 --> 00:17:23.720 - No, there is a process that we go through. 00:17:23.720 --> 00:17:25.840 There is a TIA scoping meeting 00:17:25.840 --> 00:17:29.160 and we clearly define that this is what we request from you 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:30.800 and at that meeting we point out 00:17:30.800 --> 00:17:32.080 if the area is not enough, 00:17:32.080 --> 00:17:34.000 we think that they need to extend 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:36.280 or there's special intersections 00:17:36.280 --> 00:17:38.920 that are just outside the border of the vicinity, 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:40.080 we ask them to include that 00:17:40.080 --> 00:17:41.240 because they're more congested 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:43.240 and we need to know what the impacts would be. 00:17:43.240 --> 00:17:45.360 So yes, it's more of a, 00:17:45.360 --> 00:17:48.120 at the starting point we define exactly what we want. 00:17:48.120 --> 00:17:49.320 - Perfect, that's what I wanted to know. 00:17:49.320 --> 00:17:50.800 Thank you very much. - Thank you. 00:17:50.800 --> 00:17:58.240 - Then we also, as part of our complete streets, 00:17:58.240 --> 00:18:00.720 we included pedestrian traffic impacts. 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:01.880 So in addition to roadways, 00:18:01.880 --> 00:18:03.760 we wanna look at the pedestrian mobility 00:18:03.760 --> 00:18:05.800 and how they can get around in terms of, 00:18:05.800 --> 00:18:10.280 from feature to feature in bike ped and sidewalks as well. 00:18:10.280 --> 00:18:12.120 So we included some more of that, 00:18:12.120 --> 00:18:14.240 that inclusion to the TIA process. 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:18.280 So for water and wastewater criteria manuals, 00:18:18.280 --> 00:18:21.680 we updated, we clarified the requirements 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:24.040 for metering for multifamilies. 00:18:24.040 --> 00:18:26.080 And so there's discussion about, 00:18:26.080 --> 00:18:27.360 do we have one master meter 00:18:27.360 --> 00:18:29.320 and then the property owners have to sub meter 00:18:29.320 --> 00:18:32.360 for every dwelling below that? 00:18:32.360 --> 00:18:35.560 Or do we have a meter for every dwelling? 00:18:35.560 --> 00:18:38.280 So we clarified some of that and cleaned that up a little bit. 00:18:38.280 --> 00:18:40.560 I believe we're going with the one meter 00:18:40.560 --> 00:18:42.760 and sub metering them by the property owner. 00:18:42.760 --> 00:18:45.480 One of the things that we did not have 00:18:45.480 --> 00:18:47.760 was any discussion on backflow prevention. 00:18:47.760 --> 00:18:48.920 That's a requirement in the city, 00:18:48.920 --> 00:18:50.440 it's a requirement in the state, 00:18:50.440 --> 00:18:52.800 but we had nowhere defining and discussing 00:18:52.800 --> 00:18:55.600 what the requirements for backflow prevention 00:18:55.600 --> 00:18:56.720 was in the city. 00:18:56.720 --> 00:18:59.480 So we added the whole section discussing that area. 00:18:59.480 --> 00:19:02.160 We had a table in the document 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:03.480 where we're having a lot of conflict 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:05.680 in terms of how utilities cross each other, 00:19:05.680 --> 00:19:09.680 whether it's gas lines crossing water lines or sewer lines 00:19:09.680 --> 00:19:11.520 and storm drains crossing. 00:19:11.520 --> 00:19:13.280 We had a table that was a little bit unclear. 00:19:13.280 --> 00:19:15.320 We went through, we looked at it. 00:19:15.320 --> 00:19:18.120 We refined that table, redefined some of the terms on it, 00:19:18.120 --> 00:19:20.760 changed some of the requirements to make it easier to use 00:19:20.760 --> 00:19:22.480 and better and more clear for everybody 00:19:22.480 --> 00:19:24.880 in terms of the crews installing the work. 00:19:24.880 --> 00:19:26.800 And we also added a discussion on grease traps 00:19:26.800 --> 00:19:29.480 and grit traps, which is kind of a weird topic 00:19:29.480 --> 00:19:33.040 to have in the water or wastewater criteria manual 00:19:33.040 --> 00:19:37.320 as it's like food processing and restaurants. 00:19:37.320 --> 00:19:39.040 But the problem was that it's not defined 00:19:39.040 --> 00:19:41.640 or discussed anywhere else within the city code. 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:45.960 And it belongs in here because anything that overflows 00:19:45.960 --> 00:19:48.720 from that goes into the wastewater system. 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:50.840 And so we had to have a discussion of it. 00:19:50.840 --> 00:19:52.720 And so we added it to this document 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:54.880 to codify the requirements of that for the city 00:19:54.880 --> 00:19:56.920 as part of the overall development 00:19:56.920 --> 00:19:58.280 and the code requirements. 00:19:58.280 --> 00:20:03.040 And so for our next steps, as I discussed previously, 00:20:03.040 --> 00:20:04.920 we're having the Developer Town Hall tomorrow. 00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:07.680 We're gonna run through this similar presentation, 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:09.040 giving all the developers an opportunity 00:20:09.040 --> 00:20:12.480 to seek the information and provide comments and questions. 00:20:12.480 --> 00:20:15.200 The criteria manuals will be posted online on Friday 00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:17.880 as a draft for everybody to review and comment on it. 00:20:17.880 --> 00:20:19.800 And then we'll be in the process of gathering information, 00:20:19.800 --> 00:20:21.200 comments and feedback. 00:20:21.200 --> 00:20:23.000 And then we'll be making updates and revisions 00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:25.160 prior to going to city council in December. 00:20:25.160 --> 00:20:29.600 And again, here's our schedule of all the planned meetings 00:20:29.600 --> 00:20:31.000 and major milestones. 00:20:31.000 --> 00:20:34.280 We have several presentations and meetings to do, 00:20:34.280 --> 00:20:36.280 both to the city boards and commissions, 00:20:36.280 --> 00:20:38.480 to outside agencies, to the Developer Town Hall, 00:20:38.480 --> 00:20:41.720 to Engineering Society, publishing it online, 00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:44.040 or publishing it in the newspaper, 00:20:44.040 --> 00:20:45.680 and then going to city council for adoption 00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:47.720 and effective in January. 00:20:47.720 --> 00:20:51.880 And we're here for any questions you may have. 00:20:51.880 --> 00:20:53.680 - As you're collecting feedback, 00:20:53.680 --> 00:20:57.400 where is that feedback going? 00:20:57.400 --> 00:21:01.680 Perhaps if a commissioner tonight comes up with something, 00:21:01.680 --> 00:21:03.520 oh, where should they submit that? 00:21:03.520 --> 00:21:06.160 - So on the website, we'll have a link to a form 00:21:06.160 --> 00:21:08.160 that you fill out and the form will get populated 00:21:08.160 --> 00:21:12.840 and put into a data collection process from behind scenes 00:21:12.840 --> 00:21:14.160 and get notified to us. 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:16.880 - So it'll just go right through the online form? 00:21:16.880 --> 00:21:19.480 - Exactly. - Okay, awesome, great. 00:21:19.480 --> 00:21:20.880 Questions for Brad? 00:21:20.880 --> 00:21:24.600 - Commissioner Perot. 00:21:24.600 --> 00:21:25.720 - Thank you, Chair. 00:21:25.720 --> 00:21:27.200 First of all, outstanding job. 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:31.720 I think last year we were short staffed 00:21:31.720 --> 00:21:33.160 and we were running as hard as we could 00:21:33.160 --> 00:21:34.800 to get to this thing in December. 00:21:34.800 --> 00:21:37.400 And we got it through by February, I think. 00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:41.320 And this year it really seems like it's a well-oiled machine. 00:21:41.320 --> 00:21:43.440 So the hard work shows. 00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:44.920 So thank you. 00:21:44.920 --> 00:21:47.040 It's just in really good shape. 00:21:47.040 --> 00:21:49.040 Just one question. 00:21:49.040 --> 00:21:50.960 Well, we have several people in the room. 00:21:50.960 --> 00:21:54.920 I think a couple months ago we had a work session on parking 00:21:54.920 --> 00:21:57.160 and there was a slide on bicycle parking. 00:21:57.160 --> 00:22:01.760 And that reminded me that in the past 00:22:01.760 --> 00:22:04.960 we've had certain guidelines of types of bicycle 00:22:04.960 --> 00:22:09.320 parking facilities that are allowed or encouraged 00:22:09.320 --> 00:22:10.320 and that sort of thing. 00:22:10.320 --> 00:22:13.240 Was there any discussion in the staff meetings 00:22:13.240 --> 00:22:16.400 with our bicycle and pedestrian ADA coordinator 00:22:16.400 --> 00:22:20.720 about what we should aspire to 00:22:20.720 --> 00:22:23.120 and whether this is the right place 00:22:23.120 --> 00:22:24.280 to make those amendments 00:22:24.280 --> 00:22:26.760 or if there's some other document to make sure 00:22:26.760 --> 00:22:28.080 that we're getting the right 00:22:28.080 --> 00:22:30.520 or the intended type of bicycle parking? 00:22:30.520 --> 00:22:32.360 - Yeah, so we actually did discuss that a little bit. 00:22:32.360 --> 00:22:36.160 And part of the problem is that we have public right-of-way. 00:22:36.160 --> 00:22:38.800 And so the right-of-way we have that's off of the streets 00:22:38.800 --> 00:22:40.720 are used for sidewalks. 00:22:40.720 --> 00:22:43.840 And we have to have ADA compliant sidewalks and facilities. 00:22:43.840 --> 00:22:46.840 So we can't put bicycle parking 00:22:46.840 --> 00:22:49.840 impeding the ADA travel lanes. 00:22:49.840 --> 00:22:51.800 And so most of the bicycle parking that we're noticing 00:22:51.800 --> 00:22:53.680 is gonna have to be on private property 00:22:53.680 --> 00:22:55.360 outside the public right-of-way. 00:22:55.360 --> 00:22:58.280 So it's not really something that we can incorporate 00:22:58.280 --> 00:23:02.160 necessarily into our criteria for the city improvements. 00:23:02.160 --> 00:23:03.480 One of the things that we did discuss 00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:04.840 was motorcycle parking. 00:23:04.840 --> 00:23:06.280 We had quite a few comments about that. 00:23:06.280 --> 00:23:09.320 And so we did include a basic detail 00:23:09.320 --> 00:23:10.440 for motorcycle parking. 00:23:10.440 --> 00:23:13.280 Essentially, it's half of the parking spaces. 00:23:13.280 --> 00:23:15.800 We looked it up and did some research online. 00:23:15.800 --> 00:23:18.320 We have a note on the table saying that motorcycle parking 00:23:18.320 --> 00:23:21.000 is one half of a traditional parking space. 00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:23.640 - Okay, yeah, I think the specific thing 00:23:23.640 --> 00:23:25.480 that I was thinking about is, 00:23:25.480 --> 00:23:28.440 I mean, a lot of projects around town, even city projects 00:23:28.440 --> 00:23:31.640 and parks projects have seen a lot of those sort of, 00:23:31.640 --> 00:23:33.720 for lack of a better term, wave racks, right? 00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:36.440 Where it's a squarely snake 00:23:36.440 --> 00:23:38.880 with two positions on either side. 00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:42.920 And the document that we refer to for general guidelines 00:23:42.920 --> 00:23:46.280 and resources kind of dissuades against that style. 00:23:46.280 --> 00:23:49.000 But there's nothing that requires a particular style 00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:50.200 or two points of contact. 00:23:50.200 --> 00:23:52.040 So just something to think about. 00:23:52.040 --> 00:23:54.800 I don't know if Steph has any more thoughts on that. 00:23:54.800 --> 00:23:56.280 - Yeah, we'll definitely take note of it 00:23:56.280 --> 00:23:57.240 and look into it. 00:23:57.240 --> 00:23:58.080 - Thank you. 00:23:58.080 --> 00:24:01.880 - Anyone else? 00:24:01.880 --> 00:24:05.000 Okay. 00:24:05.000 --> 00:24:05.840 - Thank you. 00:24:05.840 --> 00:24:07.200 - Outstanding, thank you so much. 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:14.280 That will take us to 3B on our work session agenda. 00:24:14.280 --> 00:24:17.320 And Haley, are you handling that or is there a, 00:24:17.320 --> 00:24:19.440 Sean is handling that very good. 00:24:25.800 --> 00:24:27.440 - Good evening. 00:24:27.440 --> 00:24:28.280 - Good evening. 00:24:28.280 --> 00:24:30.400 - It is once again, calendar time. 00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:35.400 And I can pull that up here. 00:24:35.400 --> 00:24:38.400 Basically, we've put together once again, 00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:41.720 a draft calendar following the pattern we've been on, 00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:42.560 which seems to be working, 00:24:42.560 --> 00:24:46.200 which is that second and fourth Wednesday. 00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:49.200 So staying away from the city council dates. 00:24:49.200 --> 00:24:52.040 We would have again, two dates in every month, 00:24:52.040 --> 00:24:55.280 except for those where we're trying to provide some time 00:24:55.280 --> 00:24:59.400 for holidays, which would be July, November, and December. 00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:01.960 Otherwise, we would stick to that second and fourth. 00:25:01.960 --> 00:25:04.920 And we have checked to make sure that there is no more 00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:07.520 than 30 days between any dates that we're staying 00:25:07.520 --> 00:25:10.240 within the rules of the shot clock, 00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:12.560 but to have it answer any questions or concerns. 00:25:12.560 --> 00:25:15.280 And I'm also happy to zoom in if that would be helpful. 00:25:15.280 --> 00:25:20.920 - Anybody have questions on the dates? 00:25:20.920 --> 00:25:24.840 I know that I saw that spring break has been accounted for, 00:25:24.840 --> 00:25:29.640 so there will not be a meeting on spring break week. 00:25:29.640 --> 00:25:35.480 Any questions, concerns, problems? 00:25:35.480 --> 00:25:38.360 Okay, outstanding. 00:25:38.360 --> 00:25:39.200 - Thank you. 00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:41.800 - And we'll have an agenda item, I think, on this too. 00:25:41.800 --> 00:25:42.640 - Yes. 00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:43.460 - That's right. 00:25:43.460 --> 00:25:44.300 - Yes, we'll have an ICI. 00:25:44.300 --> 00:25:45.140 - On a regular meeting. 00:25:45.140 --> 00:25:45.960 Okay, awesome. 00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:46.800 Thank you, Sean. 00:25:47.720 --> 00:25:52.240 Okay, our next topic is 3C. 00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:53.880 Receive a report, hold a discussion 00:25:53.880 --> 00:25:56.320 regarding transportation topics. 00:25:56.320 --> 00:26:00.200 And look who's back to talk about 00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:02.400 transportation topics, Howard. 00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:03.640 - Good afternoon again. 00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:07.200 Chair, members of the commission. 00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:10.120 Pretend they smoke, transportation planning. 00:26:10.120 --> 00:26:16.280 And let me pull up the, all right. 00:26:16.600 --> 00:26:19.800 So as you can see, this is a tech team effort. 00:26:19.800 --> 00:26:21.800 Karina was going to do the whole thing, 00:26:21.800 --> 00:26:26.800 but she is, she has an infection issue with the voice. 00:26:26.800 --> 00:26:30.240 (laughing) 00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:37.200 All right, let's start the boot camp. 00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:42.840 She'll be covering the last couple slides, 00:26:42.840 --> 00:26:47.440 but now that we've all left, let's get started. 00:26:47.440 --> 00:26:49.760 The day we open up the partitions, 00:26:49.760 --> 00:26:51.720 that's when we talk about infection. 00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:53.960 (laughing) 00:26:53.960 --> 00:27:01.080 So just a quick overview of this particular boot camp topic. 00:27:01.080 --> 00:27:03.640 It is TIA. 00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:07.480 What exactly is TIA, traffic impact analysis? 00:27:07.480 --> 00:27:10.560 The purpose behind it, we'll go through the components, 00:27:10.560 --> 00:27:12.960 what's included in the study and analysis. 00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:16.120 Then we'll talk about how do TIA relate 00:27:16.120 --> 00:27:19.400 to the development review and the different applications 00:27:19.400 --> 00:27:21.680 that come in and when we require them 00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:24.320 and what format they're presented. 00:27:24.320 --> 00:27:27.400 And then last but not least, we'll have the helpful links 00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:31.120 to go to when we wanna look at the criteria 00:27:31.120 --> 00:27:33.280 needed for the TIA. 00:27:33.280 --> 00:27:34.800 So what is a TIA? 00:27:34.800 --> 00:27:37.920 It is, as the name suggests, the traffic impact analysis. 00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:42.360 We're actually determining impact for any new 00:27:42.360 --> 00:27:46.280 or added traffic coming out of a proposed development 00:27:46.280 --> 00:27:48.040 on the transportation system. 00:27:48.040 --> 00:27:50.000 So the city has a network, a street, 00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:52.640 and we just wanna make sure that before, 00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:57.040 sorry about that, before we move forward 00:27:57.040 --> 00:28:00.520 with the approval process of a development project, 00:28:00.520 --> 00:28:01.760 what kind of impacts does it have? 00:28:01.760 --> 00:28:05.920 Does it negatively impact our system here? 00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:10.040 So next step is the purpose, understanding the purpose. 00:28:10.040 --> 00:28:11.680 There are three main purposes here 00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:15.120 if you focus on this side of the street. 00:28:15.120 --> 00:28:17.440 First, it's first and foremost, 00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:19.720 we're protecting our infrastructure. 00:28:19.720 --> 00:28:21.840 We're protecting our transportation infrastructure. 00:28:21.840 --> 00:28:24.960 It's billions of dollars to install it 00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:27.880 and we're making sure that any new development 00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:30.640 does not come in and negatively impact 00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:31.960 our existing infrastructure. 00:28:31.960 --> 00:28:35.400 So that's the first and foremost purpose of a TIA. 00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:37.720 The second important thing is we're making sure 00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:42.120 that we are providing possible mitigation measures. 00:28:42.120 --> 00:28:45.480 And when I say possible, I wanna emphasize that word. 00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:48.640 Making sure that when a development comes in, 00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:53.320 it proportionally contributes to fixing some of the issues 00:28:53.320 --> 00:28:57.200 that are created due to the new added traffic. 00:28:57.200 --> 00:29:02.200 So in certain cases, the impacts or the congestion 00:29:03.040 --> 00:29:07.600 already exist, so we cannot require the developer 00:29:07.600 --> 00:29:10.520 to come in and fix those existing issues. 00:29:10.520 --> 00:29:12.800 So that's what the word possible means. 00:29:12.800 --> 00:29:15.680 So whenever a TIA, when we go through the process, 00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:17.440 we identify the mitigation measures. 00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:20.080 Not necessarily the entire mitigation measure 00:29:20.080 --> 00:29:24.280 is proportional to the development. 00:29:24.280 --> 00:29:27.360 So it's not necessarily that that developer is, 00:29:27.360 --> 00:29:29.640 or the applicant is paying for the entire mitigation. 00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:31.920 There could be a piece of it that's required. 00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:35.240 So that's really important to keep in mind. 00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:38.200 But when we talk about mitigation measures, 00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:41.000 we help identify all the negative impacts 00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:45.320 and provide that information to elected officials, 00:29:45.320 --> 00:29:48.080 to appointed elected officials, 00:29:48.080 --> 00:29:51.720 and then staff itself to make those informed decisions. 00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:55.640 So when a new development is coming, 00:29:55.640 --> 00:29:58.880 we wanna make sure that all the decisions that are made 00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:00.800 are informed, and that's what the TIA does 00:30:00.800 --> 00:30:03.000 as far as the traffic impacts are concerned. 00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:06.200 And last but not least, there are several goals in the TIA. 00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:07.560 When we're adding new traffic, 00:30:07.560 --> 00:30:12.080 we wanna make sure that the system itself, 00:30:12.080 --> 00:30:16.000 it's safe and efficient to travel on the roadways. 00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:18.120 That's why we added that safety area, 00:30:18.120 --> 00:30:21.160 or the safety section in the criteria manual, 00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:24.440 make sure that our system remains safe and efficient. 00:30:24.440 --> 00:30:26.720 We also wanna make sure that there are minimal 00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:28.080 delay increases. 00:30:28.080 --> 00:30:31.040 We know that there are delays on our intersections, 00:30:31.040 --> 00:30:33.200 there is congestion on our roadways. 00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:36.200 We wanna make sure that the new development 00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:39.760 that's adding traffic is not increasing it to a point 00:30:39.760 --> 00:30:42.400 where it starts failing, it starts congestion. 00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:45.240 So we wanna make sure that that piece is mitigated. 00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:49.720 And then also help identify, prevent crashes first, 00:30:49.720 --> 00:30:52.960 and then help identify some cross-connections, axes, 00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:56.160 but at the same time, making sure that there is no, 00:30:56.160 --> 00:30:57.760 there is minimum cut through traffic. 00:30:57.760 --> 00:31:02.760 So we wanna develop projects and make sure that we plan it 00:31:02.760 --> 00:31:05.960 such that there is no cut through involved, 00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:08.800 there is no increase in cut through traffic for existing, 00:31:08.800 --> 00:31:12.640 as well as future subdivisions or areas 00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:14.120 within the development itself. 00:31:14.120 --> 00:31:16.080 So those are the main focus areas 00:31:16.080 --> 00:31:19.800 as to why we require a TIA. 00:31:19.800 --> 00:31:22.080 When do we need it? 00:31:22.080 --> 00:31:23.200 There are clear guidelines. 00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:26.040 If you focus on this table at the bottom, 00:31:26.040 --> 00:31:28.600 it is in our transportation criteria manual. 00:31:28.600 --> 00:31:32.160 It clearly defines when and what type of TIA, 00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:35.880 how much in tents, and what all material will be required 00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:37.920 that the city needs. 00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:40.240 And just to summarize it on the left, 00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:42.200 we are looking at developments 00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:44.120 that are adding more than 100 peak hour trips 00:31:44.120 --> 00:31:47.040 or 1,000 daily trips to the system. 00:31:47.040 --> 00:31:49.600 So we want to make sure that those developments are analyzed. 00:31:49.600 --> 00:31:52.120 We wanna make sure that we look at everything 00:31:52.120 --> 00:31:54.120 in the vicinity, in the surrounding area, 00:31:54.120 --> 00:31:56.120 and that as far as the impacts, 00:31:56.120 --> 00:31:58.360 any large developments that are coming are in. 00:31:58.360 --> 00:32:01.200 So any development that's more than 100 acres, 00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:04.560 we wanna make sure that are we even prepared already 00:32:04.560 --> 00:32:07.800 as far as transportation infrastructure is concerned 00:32:07.800 --> 00:32:10.760 to serve that type of development and community. 00:32:10.760 --> 00:32:12.400 So that's the second piece. 00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:15.200 And then any other changes or alterations, 00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:19.960 if we're talking about zoning changes, intensifying uses, 00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:21.040 any of those changes, 00:32:21.040 --> 00:32:23.960 or even mobility plan alterations and changes, 00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:26.640 any changes in our master plans, 00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:31.480 we wanna make sure that that also requires a TIA. 00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:32.680 And last but not least, 00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:34.600 when we're connecting our access points, 00:32:34.600 --> 00:32:37.680 if we're connected to an existing congestion, 00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:39.120 congested roadway, 00:32:39.120 --> 00:32:41.560 or even if we're connecting to a text out roadway, 00:32:41.560 --> 00:32:45.440 we wanna make sure that we identify the impacts, 00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:47.640 make sure that we know exactly what's happening 00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:49.320 when the traffic is added, 00:32:49.320 --> 00:32:51.600 new development comes in and traffic is added to the system. 00:32:51.600 --> 00:32:55.440 So those are the times when we would require a TIA 00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:56.880 for a new development. 00:32:56.880 --> 00:32:59.000 What are the components? 00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:00.600 If you follow the bottom line, 00:33:00.600 --> 00:33:02.240 it's fairly straightforward. 00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:07.280 At first, we start with identifying that area, study area, 00:33:07.280 --> 00:33:09.640 which is approximately two miles 00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:14.000 in the vicinity of the project itself. 00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:18.680 Then we identify what the existing development is 00:33:18.680 --> 00:33:21.520 and the characteristics of the site itself. 00:33:21.520 --> 00:33:24.400 We wanna make sure we also look at our mobility plan. 00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:25.560 Are there any collectors? 00:33:25.560 --> 00:33:26.840 Are there any arterials 00:33:26.840 --> 00:33:29.120 going through that particular project area? 00:33:29.120 --> 00:33:32.880 And then also we wanna make sure that 00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:35.520 if there are any planned CIP or capital improvements, 00:33:35.520 --> 00:33:38.040 any corridor projects going through that area, 00:33:38.040 --> 00:33:40.040 we look at all of those aspects 00:33:40.040 --> 00:33:42.640 and make sure that that's all included in the TIA. 00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:45.120 And then we study the existing conditions, 00:33:45.120 --> 00:33:47.520 what's out there, traffic counts, everything. 00:33:47.520 --> 00:33:49.440 Then we study the future conditions 00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:51.960 based on how many ever trips 00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:53.560 that are being generated for the project. 00:33:53.560 --> 00:33:56.520 So, and then based on the future condition, 00:33:56.520 --> 00:33:58.200 we assess the level of service, 00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:02.440 which is if we are delaying someone 00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:05.960 at an intersection more longer than it currently is, 00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:09.880 then how do we identify the proposed mitigation measures 00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:14.880 to mitigate the impacts of the proposed development? 00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:19.480 Now I wanna turn it over to Karina. 00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:24.520 - Just kidding. 00:34:24.520 --> 00:34:28.640 Just to clarify, I lost my voice. 00:34:28.640 --> 00:34:30.440 That's why he did the presentation. 00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:34.200 All right, I know we're a joking group. 00:34:34.200 --> 00:34:35.400 We like to joke around. 00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:39.280 So pre-time gave you a good amount of information 00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:42.240 related to the TIA and what goes in it. 00:34:42.240 --> 00:34:44.400 So how does this impact our current development review? 00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:46.160 And I think this is kind of the meat and bones 00:34:46.160 --> 00:34:48.840 of why it's important to PNZ. 00:34:48.840 --> 00:34:52.920 So as pre-time mentioned, there's certain thresholds 00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:54.920 that come into play that trigger a TIA. 00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:57.840 So this is when a TIA is warranted. 00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:00.960 When a development comes in and a TIA is warranted, 00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:06.880 they're typically approved and prepared concurrently 00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:10.040 with the following development applications. 00:35:10.040 --> 00:35:13.000 So a preliminary plot, a zoning compliance plan, 00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:15.040 which is our site plans, 00:35:15.040 --> 00:35:17.800 plan developments and specific use permits. 00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:19.200 Now the Planning and Zoning Commission 00:35:19.200 --> 00:35:22.040 doesn't see all of these applications, 00:35:22.040 --> 00:35:23.800 most of them, of course. 00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:25.280 But the zoning compliance plans, 00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:27.800 those are administratively approved. 00:35:27.800 --> 00:35:31.600 So when it only needs, or when it comes in 00:35:31.600 --> 00:35:33.040 versus the zoning compliance plan, 00:35:33.040 --> 00:35:34.840 that's our non-residential projects, 00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:37.800 you won't typically see that 00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:41.120 with the exception of RACER Ranch if that's triggered. 00:35:41.120 --> 00:35:43.120 So the first application that comes in 00:35:43.120 --> 00:35:44.320 would be your preliminary plot. 00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:48.320 So at that point, the TIA, again, if warranted, 00:35:48.320 --> 00:35:51.080 is going through the process with staff. 00:35:51.080 --> 00:35:55.320 If there's any mitigation measures 00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:58.800 that are identified in the recommendations from a TIA, 00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:02.560 those are incorporated within the zoning compliance plan 00:36:02.560 --> 00:36:03.920 and preliminary plot. 00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:07.080 So you won't see those plans come in 00:36:07.080 --> 00:36:08.840 without those mitigation measures. 00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:12.360 Those would be the responsibility of staff to identify 00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:14.720 and make sure that they're in there. 00:36:14.720 --> 00:36:17.000 Again, they're not required, 00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:18.120 but when they're proposed, 00:36:18.120 --> 00:36:20.840 staff does make the determination 00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:22.920 what would be appropriate for the area. 00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:25.600 And then, of course, when those zoning cases, 00:36:25.600 --> 00:36:27.840 the plan developments, specific use permits, 00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:31.080 when those applications come in for public hearing, 00:36:31.080 --> 00:36:32.840 that's typically where the questions come in 00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:35.400 from PNZ and council. 00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:37.920 What was done for congestion on this project? 00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:40.040 What are the mitigation measures that we're requiring here? 00:36:40.040 --> 00:36:43.880 So if PNZ has a concern, if city council has a concern, 00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:47.240 we will look at the TIA and see what it recommended 00:36:47.240 --> 00:36:50.160 and make sure that we're balancing that with, you know, 00:36:50.160 --> 00:36:54.440 those requirements, as well as any concerns 00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:57.680 that our elected officials and appointed officials have. 00:36:57.680 --> 00:36:59.320 I'm not sure if I saw a question. 00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:01.520 Okay, good. 00:37:01.520 --> 00:37:09.080 So as I mentioned, the TIAs are required on a case by case. 00:37:09.080 --> 00:37:10.240 Well, I did not mention this, 00:37:10.240 --> 00:37:13.080 but other applications that you might see it on, 00:37:13.080 --> 00:37:15.600 these come in on a case by case basis. 00:37:15.600 --> 00:37:17.560 So that would be your zoning, 00:37:17.560 --> 00:37:18.960 comprehensive plan amendments, 00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:20.520 and mobility plan amendments. 00:37:20.520 --> 00:37:23.160 So zoning is the application type 00:37:23.160 --> 00:37:26.200 that you will typically not see a TIA 00:37:26.200 --> 00:37:28.520 unless it hits that threshold of, 00:37:28.520 --> 00:37:31.560 okay, this is 100 acres, this is 200 acres, 00:37:31.560 --> 00:37:34.040 or an applicant is requesting to rezone 00:37:34.040 --> 00:37:37.760 from rural residential all the way to LI, 00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:40.520 and it does not meet the future land use map. 00:37:40.520 --> 00:37:42.760 So those are some instances where staff will come in 00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:46.080 and say, hey, we do need a TIA for this area. 00:37:46.080 --> 00:37:49.560 What you're proposing may have potential impacts 00:37:49.560 --> 00:37:53.120 on the system, especially if it's out on the fringe, 00:37:53.120 --> 00:37:54.160 the city fringe. 00:37:54.160 --> 00:38:00.000 This is when we'll request that analysis to be done. 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:01.800 So as I mentioned, some considerations, 00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:03.280 and before I jump into that, 00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:05.520 I did put some screenshots for you 00:38:05.520 --> 00:38:08.280 of a recent project that came in. 00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:11.160 This is at the corner of Loop 288 and University. 00:38:11.160 --> 00:38:14.560 It was a plan development before, 00:38:14.560 --> 00:38:17.120 and then the applicant came in and requested 00:38:17.120 --> 00:38:19.520 to rezone to three different zoning districts, 00:38:19.520 --> 00:38:21.640 which would be general office, 00:38:21.640 --> 00:38:24.560 mixed-use neighborhood, and light industrial. 00:38:24.560 --> 00:38:26.880 So when that zoning case came in, 00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:28.560 we did request the TIA. 00:38:28.560 --> 00:38:33.320 Within that TIA, recommendations were proposed, 00:38:33.320 --> 00:38:35.920 and it was presented by the planner on the case 00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:40.280 as it relates to the criteria for approval for zoning. 00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:43.280 So going into that last bit, 00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:45.760 some considerations when we do require TIAs 00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:47.280 with these applications. 00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:50.120 Again, it has to be related to a substantial change 00:38:50.120 --> 00:38:52.400 in the future land use designation, 00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:54.140 the residential to industrial, 00:38:54.140 --> 00:38:58.000 substantial changes to a zoning district. 00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:00.080 So we won't typically require a TIA 00:39:00.080 --> 00:39:02.960 for R1 to R2, as an example, 00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:06.560 but if it was R1 to MN or MR, 00:39:06.560 --> 00:39:10.240 that might be a case if a conceptual plan is provided. 00:39:10.240 --> 00:39:12.240 That's another kind of triggering factor 00:39:12.240 --> 00:39:14.360 or something that we consider. 00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:16.440 And then last, mobility plan amendments. 00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:17.800 We don't typically see these, 00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:19.640 but I believe in the last year or two, 00:39:19.640 --> 00:39:21.920 we did have one come to PNZ and council. 00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:25.320 I can't remember off the top of my head which one it was, 00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:27.800 but it was on our light industrial side of town. 00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:31.400 There was a requested amendment to the mobility plan, 00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:34.360 and then at that point, we did request a TIA. 00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:37.320 So those are just some examples of how the TIA comes 00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:39.280 into play with our development review 00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:44.280 and how PNZ does kind of evaluate some of these decisions 00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:46.040 related to that. 00:39:46.040 --> 00:39:48.200 So last, just a couple links for y'all. 00:39:48.200 --> 00:39:50.880 Of course, our development code, the comprehensive plan, 00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:53.800 which does include the mobility plan as an element, 00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:57.200 and then the current transportation criteria manual, 00:39:57.200 --> 00:40:00.400 which outlines thresholds for a TIA 00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:02.720 and then what's required within a TIA. 00:40:02.720 --> 00:40:05.680 And with that, Preetemar, I can answer any questions. 00:40:05.680 --> 00:40:06.920 - Go ahead. 00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:08.120 - Commissioner Rick Dane. 00:40:08.120 --> 00:40:10.320 - Thank you, Madam Chair. 00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:14.640 I just have one question on the traffic, 00:40:14.640 --> 00:40:16.440 on the only analysis of your traffic. 00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:20.920 And I'm gonna use the new apartments coming in at Woodrow. 00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:25.440 They say that the street is gonna tie into Dutchess. 00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:31.960 So I'm looking at, you have Dutchess, 00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:34.160 when you try to get onto the loop, 00:40:34.160 --> 00:40:35.360 there's no traffic light there, 00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:37.360 but you have a light maybe 300 yards up 00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:40.800 at Shady Oaks and the loop. 00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:43.840 And then you have one at McKinney and the loop. 00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:44.680 What's gonna be done? 00:40:44.680 --> 00:40:48.880 You're adding 289 apartments that's gonna tie into Dutchess. 00:40:48.880 --> 00:40:52.880 How is that gonna, you're gonna have a big impact right there 00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:55.320 'cause you're not gonna be able to turn left 00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:56.520 to get on the loop. 00:40:56.520 --> 00:40:58.920 Is it, would it make any sense to put another light there 00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:00.840 when you already have one, 00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:04.120 maybe two or 300 yards from that site? 00:41:04.120 --> 00:41:07.520 - So I wanna make sure we don't get too far off topic. 00:41:07.520 --> 00:41:13.720 So maybe if, maybe if we can ask a more general question, 00:41:13.720 --> 00:41:16.480 like did it trigger a TIA and stick to that 00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:19.680 versus a more individualized thing. 00:41:19.680 --> 00:41:22.720 I believe, Hilary, is that, okay. 00:41:22.720 --> 00:41:26.720 - It's potentially off topic, so if it's there, 00:41:26.720 --> 00:41:30.720 - So yeah, in general question, 00:41:30.720 --> 00:41:34.040 yes, we typically do include signalization, 00:41:34.040 --> 00:41:37.080 identify, it's called signal warrants analysis. 00:41:37.080 --> 00:41:41.240 So as part of the TIA, we do have the applicant 00:41:41.240 --> 00:41:43.840 go through a signal warrant analysis, 00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:47.960 particularly when we're tying into TxDOT facilities. 00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:51.400 TxDOT does require that we provide that, 00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:54.560 and once they go, we have to go through an approval process, 00:41:54.560 --> 00:41:57.680 and when they process it, then we have to identify funds 00:41:57.680 --> 00:42:00.320 to put the entire signal in there. 00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:05.040 One of the nuances that does happen is one development 00:42:05.040 --> 00:42:06.880 may not, as I mentioned earlier, 00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:09.780 may not be responsible for the entire mitigation. 00:42:09.780 --> 00:42:13.340 So even though it triggers it, it's not fully responsible. 00:42:13.340 --> 00:42:16.060 So at that point, the city has to identify 00:42:16.060 --> 00:42:19.680 how do we move forward and implement this mitigation measure 00:42:19.680 --> 00:42:22.960 in a reasonable time, even though we're not getting 00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:27.000 the full cost recovered from the one particular development. 00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:28.560 So yes, there are some challenges, 00:42:28.560 --> 00:42:33.120 and then we continually work, but the TIA should identify 00:42:33.120 --> 00:42:34.800 and conduct a signal warrant analysis 00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:36.200 in situations like theirs. 00:42:36.200 --> 00:42:40.200 - Just to generally answer the question 00:42:40.200 --> 00:42:43.520 about the Woodrow project, there was a TIA submitted, 00:42:43.520 --> 00:42:46.000 reviewed and approved when the SUP came in, 00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:49.280 and we can send you information offline about that project. 00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:50.840 - All right, thanks. 00:42:50.840 --> 00:42:51.680 - Commissioner Smith. 00:42:51.680 --> 00:42:52.520 - Thank you, Chair. 00:42:52.520 --> 00:42:55.520 I think it's been, for the five years 00:42:55.520 --> 00:42:56.800 I've been on the commission, I think it's probably been 00:42:56.800 --> 00:42:58.440 one of the biggest sticking points we've had 00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:02.320 that gets brought up constantly is about traffic, obviously. 00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:05.360 And I think the empower of the TIA is great, 00:43:05.360 --> 00:43:07.080 and I'm glad we're going through this bootcamp process 00:43:07.080 --> 00:43:08.400 just to kind of get an understanding of it. 00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:12.400 But I know that sometimes when we bring up TIAs, 00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:14.800 they're kind of just not blown through during a meeting, 00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:16.640 and it's not really you guys, it's the planners 00:43:16.640 --> 00:43:18.800 that are presenting it, and they're not coming out 00:43:18.800 --> 00:43:20.440 to any of the planners here. 00:43:20.440 --> 00:43:24.400 But when there are things like you just mentioned, right, 00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:28.280 this does trigger a factor that needs to be going in 00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:31.440 for mitigation, and it's on a tech stop managed street, 00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:35.240 where it's on a city road, but it's not enough for us to, 00:43:35.240 --> 00:43:38.020 there's other properties that are not developed yet 00:43:38.020 --> 00:43:39.740 that probably would end up triggering it, 00:43:39.740 --> 00:43:42.020 and then you can't put that full weight and bearing 00:43:42.020 --> 00:43:44.360 of that cost to put in a signal 00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:45.740 or other type of mitigation in place 00:43:45.740 --> 00:43:48.280 only on that one person, who is the strawberry bear 00:43:48.280 --> 00:43:49.520 with camel's back. 00:43:49.520 --> 00:43:52.840 The, I don't know if there's a way for us in the future 00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:54.840 during TIAs and during presentations 00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:57.400 to have those types of pieces brought up 00:43:57.400 --> 00:43:58.760 a little bit more clearly, 00:43:58.760 --> 00:44:00.040 especially when we're looking at zonings, 00:44:00.040 --> 00:44:02.440 where it's like, yes, this zoning is something 00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:04.720 that could have, by the TIA, 00:44:04.720 --> 00:44:07.400 we could need signalization at this street, 00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:10.120 but there'd be this process X, Y, Z 00:44:10.120 --> 00:44:11.160 that we have to go through for that. 00:44:11.160 --> 00:44:13.920 Or because it's along the tech stop road, 00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:16.360 we'd have to go through the tech stop process 00:44:16.360 --> 00:44:18.280 within getting that signalization. 00:44:18.280 --> 00:44:20.080 I think that sometimes we just, 00:44:20.080 --> 00:44:22.400 we miss mentioning some of those small things 00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:24.600 that should be some deciding factors 00:44:24.600 --> 00:44:25.680 when we talk about a zoning, 00:44:25.680 --> 00:44:28.160 because even though it may trigger it, 00:44:28.160 --> 00:44:30.760 it doesn't mean it will be necessarily there at that time, 00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:32.920 and it does kind of create this gap in safety 00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:37.280 that we hope the TIA will point out for us, 00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:39.220 and we hope the TIA will protect the community 00:44:39.220 --> 00:44:42.080 at large for it, but there might be a need to discuss 00:44:42.080 --> 00:44:43.960 that a little bit more in depth at public meetings, 00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:46.460 and so I don't know if that's something we can 00:44:46.460 --> 00:44:48.040 bring up in the future. 00:44:48.040 --> 00:44:50.040 - It's possible that that could be 00:44:50.040 --> 00:44:52.480 something to bring up at matrix time. 00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:53.800 - Okay, we'll do that then, 00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:56.880 but one question I did have on the tech stop process. 00:44:56.880 --> 00:44:59.720 As we have, can you go in depth on, 00:44:59.720 --> 00:45:01.080 just for the commission as a whole, 00:45:01.080 --> 00:45:02.640 to have a better understanding, 00:45:02.640 --> 00:45:04.000 'cause we do see a lot of projects 00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:05.920 that happen on tech stop roads, 00:45:05.920 --> 00:45:08.440 or a lot of projects that are next to tech stop roads 00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:10.840 and go through the tech stop process. 00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:12.880 What is that step-by-step, after we do that TIA, 00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:14.780 that it goes, when it goes to tech stop, 00:45:14.780 --> 00:45:16.760 that they then go through to be able to discuss, 00:45:16.760 --> 00:45:18.680 okay, this is when we're gonna start going through, 00:45:18.680 --> 00:45:20.240 I know you mentioned it there at the end, 00:45:20.240 --> 00:45:22.320 we have to, the city has to locate some funds 00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:25.760 to be able to do that, but how does tech stops process 00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:28.560 of identifying mitigation, and the city's process 00:45:28.560 --> 00:45:31.200 for identifying medication differ, or align, 00:45:31.200 --> 00:45:33.280 or how do those two things interact? 00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:36.160 'Cause it seems like it's always been a little bit gray. 00:45:36.160 --> 00:45:37.040 - You can give us our name. 00:45:37.040 --> 00:45:41.160 - Yeah, I'll tackle this from the development review side. 00:45:41.160 --> 00:45:45.920 So, typically the general process is, 00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:47.680 once the zoning, in this case, 00:45:47.680 --> 00:45:49.480 we'll talk about plan developments and SUPs, 00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:53.240 'cause those are the ones that have site plans approved, 00:45:53.240 --> 00:45:57.240 and the TIA would then include those mitigation measures, 00:45:57.240 --> 00:45:59.500 or not, if it didn't require it. 00:45:59.500 --> 00:46:03.480 After that stage has passed, 00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:06.280 they'll go through their planning process, 00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:08.920 and then, well, their civil engineering plan process, 00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:11.080 and planning process. 00:46:11.080 --> 00:46:12.680 When a tech stop permit comes in, 00:46:12.680 --> 00:46:14.360 that's typically what they need to do 00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:17.280 before they get access to it. 00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:19.000 That'll come in concurrently 00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:21.120 with their civil engineering plans, 00:46:21.120 --> 00:46:24.320 and that's kind of the point in time 00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:28.640 where all of that will be decided by tech stop, 00:46:28.640 --> 00:46:31.720 whether they approve those access points, 00:46:31.720 --> 00:46:34.640 or they're gonna require something else on top of that. 00:46:34.640 --> 00:46:37.320 So the tech stop permit is the key application. 00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:39.200 Concurrent with the civil engineering plans, 00:46:39.200 --> 00:46:41.020 and then prior to final platting, 00:46:41.020 --> 00:46:43.880 where that decision will be made, 00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:47.560 and then just for general informational purposes, 00:46:47.560 --> 00:46:49.840 the current timeline right now for tech stop 00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:52.440 is four to six months before they approve a permit. 00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:56.080 So sometimes, that's why you'll see a significant gap 00:46:56.080 --> 00:46:58.300 from when the plan development came in, 00:46:58.300 --> 00:46:59.560 or the SUP came in, 00:46:59.560 --> 00:47:02.800 to when the plat is finally coming in for approval. 00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:04.400 So I'm hoping I answered that question, 00:47:04.400 --> 00:47:06.400 if not, Preetam can come right in. 00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:10.000 - I just follow up, how often do we see 00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:12.800 those permits getting denied or modified 00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:14.520 in a significant way that might be different 00:47:14.520 --> 00:47:17.760 than what is discussed in a public approval setting? 00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:21.280 Is it pretty common, we're going through, 00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:22.800 we're following essentially what, 00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:24.000 we know what tech stop wants, 00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:25.120 we know we're gonna go through that process, 00:47:25.120 --> 00:47:26.440 that the permit doesn't usually get denied, 00:47:26.440 --> 00:47:28.360 we don't see big modifications, those kinds of things. 00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:30.360 - Yeah, we typically go, 00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:32.540 it's a two or three step process, 00:47:32.540 --> 00:47:35.040 but what we have is we have a great relationship, 00:47:35.040 --> 00:47:36.320 and thanks to Becky's group, 00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:38.340 we have a great relationship with Tech Stop, 00:47:38.340 --> 00:47:40.600 and we conduct monthly meetings with them, 00:47:40.600 --> 00:47:43.080 so if there is a development that's coming in 00:47:43.080 --> 00:47:48.080 and tying in, and they have certain design concepts, 00:47:48.080 --> 00:47:50.120 they will bring it up, 00:47:50.120 --> 00:47:52.600 and we will bring it up in a discussion with Tech Stop, 00:47:52.600 --> 00:47:54.320 and say generally, conceptually, 00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:55.860 do you agree with this step? 00:47:55.860 --> 00:47:57.040 Then they move to the next step, 00:47:57.040 --> 00:47:59.320 which is actually designing it, 00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:00.600 and during the design phase, 00:48:00.600 --> 00:48:03.640 if they find out there are some engineering design issues, 00:48:03.640 --> 00:48:06.080 if there is drainage issues or other issues, 00:48:06.080 --> 00:48:07.680 then they will provide those comments, 00:48:07.680 --> 00:48:09.400 and they have another option to go back 00:48:09.400 --> 00:48:11.600 and ask Tech Stop the same question, 00:48:11.600 --> 00:48:15.200 but after everything is done and we feel okay, 00:48:15.200 --> 00:48:18.280 that yes, we've received a couple approvals from Tech Stop, 00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:22.240 and then we as a city, it satisfies all city criteria, 00:48:22.240 --> 00:48:25.520 it does go to Tech Stop, they may have comments, 00:48:25.520 --> 00:48:27.580 they may have some minor modifications, 00:48:27.580 --> 00:48:29.360 but it's very rare at that point, 00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:31.560 after going through that many steps, 00:48:31.560 --> 00:48:33.480 that they really completely decline 00:48:33.480 --> 00:48:35.640 or reject those applications. 00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:37.640 - I'm sorry. 00:48:37.640 --> 00:48:40.740 I just thought of one more thing. 00:48:40.740 --> 00:48:46.000 Given how the approval process is for SUPs and PDs, 00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:48.480 if Tech Stop were to find a project 00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:49.920 that has already gone through approvals 00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:51.920 and indicate that it's not sufficient, 00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:53.480 they're gonna deny the permit, 00:48:53.480 --> 00:48:56.440 at that point, that applicant would have to bring the SUP 00:48:56.440 --> 00:49:00.800 back unless flexibility was written into the SUP or PD. 00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:02.000 - So it doesn't happen very often? 00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:04.800 - Not very often, there may be one case 00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:08.320 or maybe something minor where there might be issues 00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:10.560 between the site plan that was approved, 00:49:10.560 --> 00:49:13.000 but typically, if it stays within the limitations 00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:14.680 or boundaries of the approval, 00:49:14.680 --> 00:49:16.160 then it doesn't have to come back. 00:49:16.160 --> 00:49:18.960 We try to find a resolution as best as we can. 00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:20.240 - You guys stay pretty proactive, 00:49:20.240 --> 00:49:23.840 and I'm saying thank you guys very much for doing that. 00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:27.080 How many other cities have a monthly meeting with Tech Stop? 00:49:27.080 --> 00:49:28.280 Cities of our size are sad. 00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:31.440 Sure, Dallas has weekly, if not daily meetings with Tech Stop, 00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:33.760 but not many? 00:49:33.760 --> 00:49:36.160 So I don't know the answer to that question. 00:49:36.160 --> 00:49:43.440 - It does actually depend of how many facilities, 00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:45.800 Tech Stop roadways, they have within the city. 00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:47.840 So if there's not a whole lot of touch points, 00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:51.280 we do have a lot, and Tina can attest to that 00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:53.040 when she moved here. 00:49:53.040 --> 00:49:54.280 - Tina can beat her head against the wall 00:49:54.280 --> 00:49:56.680 and make a touch to that, yeah, sure. 00:49:56.680 --> 00:49:59.040 Awesome, thank you guys, thank you for being so proactive 00:49:59.040 --> 00:49:59.880 on that. 00:49:59.880 --> 00:50:02.320 - Other questions? 00:50:02.320 --> 00:50:03.520 Commissioner Perot. 00:50:03.520 --> 00:50:04.960 - Thank you, Chair. 00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:06.320 Just a couple quick things. 00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:11.480 I heard Karina mention that, 00:50:11.480 --> 00:50:15.360 sorry, let's take a minute here. 00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:21.800 Mentioned something about if a zoning change was not, 00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:26.600 or differing from the future land use map, 00:50:26.600 --> 00:50:31.000 and does that mean that essentially some of those triggers 00:50:33.120 --> 00:50:35.840 occur when we are changing, 00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:38.760 essentially changing the future land use map, 00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:41.600 because the mobility plan was drawn up 00:50:41.600 --> 00:50:45.320 with the assumption of the land uses within that map? 00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:47.320 Am I understanding that correctly? 00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:50.000 - I'll say it's a consideration for. 00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:54.520 So if, again, if a zoning request comes through 00:50:54.520 --> 00:50:56.320 and it doesn't meet the future land use, 00:50:56.320 --> 00:50:59.240 but it's not too far off from what we're asking for, 00:50:59.240 --> 00:51:01.320 we're not gonna put an applicant through the process 00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:03.880 to go through the TIA process. 00:51:03.880 --> 00:51:05.280 Now, if it's something significant 00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:08.560 that warrants a comprehensive plan amendment, 00:51:08.560 --> 00:51:11.520 and again, it's that far off from what we're asking for, 00:51:11.520 --> 00:51:16.160 then yes, we will have a TIA with that application. 00:51:16.160 --> 00:51:17.120 - No, that's good. 00:51:17.120 --> 00:51:21.120 And then on the, and maybe this differs 00:51:21.120 --> 00:51:23.360 from project to project, so feel free to tell me 00:51:23.360 --> 00:51:26.760 it just depends as the wonderful engineering answer. 00:51:26.760 --> 00:51:31.280 But from time to time, we have projects come through 00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:36.280 especially with a PD or an SUP where a developer 00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:40.880 will offer to provide some offsite improvement 00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:43.720 that may or may not have been required by staff 00:51:43.720 --> 00:51:44.920 from the TIA. 00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:51.440 Is there a general way in that funding scheme 00:51:51.440 --> 00:51:56.900 that is typical from a, here's my question is, 00:51:56.900 --> 00:52:00.600 it's my understand that sometimes those improvements 00:52:00.600 --> 00:52:05.080 are sort of fronted some money from the developer, 00:52:05.080 --> 00:52:06.200 but then on the back side, 00:52:06.200 --> 00:52:09.320 once they have their construction applications 00:52:09.320 --> 00:52:11.120 and they pay their impact fees, 00:52:11.120 --> 00:52:14.680 that gets basically refunded on the back end. 00:52:14.680 --> 00:52:16.520 Is that the normal process or is it, 00:52:16.520 --> 00:52:17.920 does it really just depend? 00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:23.440 - The starting answer is it depends, but (laughs) 00:52:23.440 --> 00:52:27.240 but in order to provide more information on that, 00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:33.280 yes, if a roadway that's adjacent to the project 00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:36.680 is a roadway that's within the mobility plan 00:52:36.680 --> 00:52:40.480 and it's included in the right-of-way impact fee study, 00:52:40.480 --> 00:52:44.200 then any capacity improvements, adding turn lanes, 00:52:44.200 --> 00:52:48.320 adding through lanes, they will get refunded at the back end. 00:52:48.320 --> 00:52:53.280 So they will have their right-of-way impact fees credited. 00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:55.920 We won't go beyond the credit amount. 00:52:55.920 --> 00:52:59.080 The city will not pay in cash beyond that, 00:52:59.080 --> 00:53:02.480 but yes, up to that limit of the roadway impact fee, 00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:05.720 they do get credited any capacity enhancement. 00:53:05.720 --> 00:53:09.480 As far as the other off-site improvements, 00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:13.720 there is no one formula fits all. 00:53:13.720 --> 00:53:16.680 There are times where the developer is willing to, 00:53:16.680 --> 00:53:20.160 for his benefit as well as the overall benefit, 00:53:20.160 --> 00:53:23.460 willing to add in more, more than the proportionality. 00:53:23.460 --> 00:53:25.840 And at that point, we do work with them saying, 00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:30.120 okay, if this benefits the city as well as the development, 00:53:30.120 --> 00:53:33.680 better access, better in and out, more attractive product, 00:53:33.680 --> 00:53:37.000 then yes, we can work with them and put it in, 00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:40.360 but it's purely with a conversation, 00:53:40.360 --> 00:53:41.680 with a discussion with the developer. 00:53:41.680 --> 00:53:43.160 - Okay, thank you. 00:53:43.160 --> 00:53:47.640 I'll try to be more active and remember that 00:53:47.640 --> 00:53:48.800 when those things come up. 00:53:48.800 --> 00:53:53.800 And then lastly, I recall from previous discussions 00:53:54.520 --> 00:53:59.520 that for the mobility, vehicular access and everything, 00:53:59.520 --> 00:54:03.280 there's a particular level of service that we aim for, 00:54:03.280 --> 00:54:05.960 and that vehicular level of services 00:54:05.960 --> 00:54:08.400 is sort of a amount of delay, right? 00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:09.240 - Correct. 00:54:09.240 --> 00:54:12.120 - But then in conjunction with this, 00:54:12.120 --> 00:54:14.200 as we just saw in our criteria manuals, 00:54:14.200 --> 00:54:17.160 we're instituting a, I think it called it 00:54:17.160 --> 00:54:19.600 like a pedestrian level of service analysis 00:54:19.600 --> 00:54:21.440 or something like that. 00:54:21.440 --> 00:54:25.200 And when I looked through that, it didn't seem like 00:54:25.200 --> 00:54:27.840 it was so much of a delay to the pedestrian. 00:54:27.840 --> 00:54:32.840 It seemed like it was more safety slash ease of use, et cetera. 00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:38.240 So I think my question is, 00:54:38.240 --> 00:54:40.440 I understand that we have a particular amount of delay 00:54:40.440 --> 00:54:45.440 that we're willing to stomach for vehicular level of service. 00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:46.760 Given that it's the same term, 00:54:46.760 --> 00:54:49.920 how should I understand the evaluation on a TIA 00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:52.040 of the pedestrian level of service? 00:54:52.040 --> 00:54:53.600 Given, I know it's a new process, 00:54:53.600 --> 00:54:56.720 but just what's our goal for that? 00:54:56.720 --> 00:55:00.040 - So a really good question. 00:55:00.040 --> 00:55:04.640 It's very new that we're going through this process 00:55:04.640 --> 00:55:07.280 of including more active transportation 00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:10.880 like pedestrian and bicycle and so on and so forth. 00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:12.920 So as the whole community 00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:17.440 of transportation traffic engineers go through this process, 00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:19.120 we have started on the bike side 00:55:19.120 --> 00:55:20.960 to identify the stress level. 00:55:20.960 --> 00:55:25.400 So which means, is it more stressful to drive on this lane 00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:29.280 that has cars running at 40 or 50 miles really close, 00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:30.920 three feet, four feet from you? 00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:32.040 Yes, that's a stressful. 00:55:32.040 --> 00:55:33.480 So the stress level is high, 00:55:33.480 --> 00:55:36.240 which means that facility will be downgraded 00:55:36.240 --> 00:55:39.640 or have a lesser value. 00:55:39.640 --> 00:55:42.280 Whereas in pedestrian, at this point, 00:55:42.280 --> 00:55:46.200 we are mostly focused on the connectivity, shortest path, 00:55:46.200 --> 00:55:50.680 so which reduces the stress for a person to use it, 00:55:50.680 --> 00:55:53.160 so it creates a better, so that's one thing. 00:55:53.160 --> 00:55:58.160 And then also identifying what existing paths we have 00:55:58.160 --> 00:56:00.640 to the most common locations, 00:56:00.640 --> 00:56:03.960 especially like schools or any other parks, 00:56:03.960 --> 00:56:08.120 any other attractions that pedestrians may be going to 00:56:08.120 --> 00:56:09.400 from a development. 00:56:09.400 --> 00:56:13.160 We identify everything in the vicinity of the area, 00:56:13.160 --> 00:56:16.520 and that's what's included in our pedestrian impact. 00:56:16.520 --> 00:56:19.000 And we come up with asking them, 00:56:19.000 --> 00:56:21.360 what are the mitigation measures or improvements 00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:22.320 that you're willing to do, 00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:26.200 because there is certain areas that is lacking connectivity, 00:56:26.200 --> 00:56:29.000 so that may trigger an off-site improvement for them 00:56:29.000 --> 00:56:32.280 to extend a sidewalk and connect the missing sidewalk. 00:56:32.280 --> 00:56:35.600 So that's what we're looking for in pedestrian at this time. 00:56:35.600 --> 00:56:37.600 It's not necessarily the amount of delay 00:56:37.600 --> 00:56:40.160 or how many pedestrians we can accommodate 00:56:40.160 --> 00:56:42.160 within a five-foot sidewalk or system, 00:56:42.160 --> 00:56:44.640 so it's very evolving at this point, 00:56:44.640 --> 00:56:46.600 but slowly we're making sure 00:56:46.600 --> 00:56:49.080 that we at least check the first things, 00:56:49.080 --> 00:56:51.040 which is connection and shortest route. 00:56:51.040 --> 00:56:52.600 - Okay, thank you. - Thanks. 00:56:52.600 --> 00:56:55.840 - Other questions? 00:56:55.840 --> 00:56:59.880 And let me just clarify, any mitigation measures 00:56:59.880 --> 00:57:04.000 that come from a TIA is required to be done? 00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:11.000 - So yes, as long as they're fully created 00:57:11.560 --> 00:57:13.640 by the development itself. 00:57:13.640 --> 00:57:18.640 So when development connects to a roadway, 00:57:18.640 --> 00:57:20.560 if the roadway is already congested, 00:57:20.560 --> 00:57:23.560 for example, there's a new driveway on the loop. 00:57:23.560 --> 00:57:24.400 During peak hours, 00:57:24.400 --> 00:57:27.160 everyone knows the loop is fully congested, 00:57:27.160 --> 00:57:29.400 and you can mitigate that existing condition. 00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:31.640 We can't ask the developer to say, 00:57:31.640 --> 00:57:34.560 okay, now you have to put in a through lane on loop 00:57:34.560 --> 00:57:35.560 and make it better. 00:57:35.560 --> 00:57:39.320 So yes, any additional up to their proportional addition. 00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:42.080 So for example, there are 100 trips on loop, 00:57:42.080 --> 00:57:44.720 and the development is adding 20 more. 00:57:44.720 --> 00:57:46.880 That mitigate, they need to mitigate 00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:49.280 whatever additional delay or congestion 00:57:49.280 --> 00:57:51.080 that those 20 trips are. 00:57:51.080 --> 00:57:53.760 So that's the proportionality piece. 00:57:53.760 --> 00:57:54.920 - Sure, that makes sense. 00:57:54.920 --> 00:57:57.880 Commissioner Smith. 00:57:57.880 --> 00:57:59.600 - This brought up a question I've never thought of 00:57:59.600 --> 00:58:01.280 in five years of it on this commission. 00:58:01.280 --> 00:58:02.560 (laughing) 00:58:02.560 --> 00:58:04.120 - Tina's here. 00:58:04.120 --> 00:58:04.960 - Tina's right here, let's do this. 00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:07.240 - Exactly, we've got Tina now. 00:58:07.240 --> 00:58:10.160 The mitigation on the traffic mitigation specifically, 00:58:10.160 --> 00:58:13.360 that impact fee, is it earmarked for specifically 00:58:13.360 --> 00:58:17.080 that area, that roadway it's being impacted? 00:58:17.080 --> 00:58:19.000 Is that in like a balance line of a budget item 00:58:19.000 --> 00:58:20.480 within transportation? 00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:21.960 I guess it's really more capital improvement. 00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:24.760 Is it like, this is an impact fee paid specifically 00:58:24.760 --> 00:58:27.600 for loop 288, and therefore it has to go 00:58:27.600 --> 00:58:29.400 to loop 288 projects? 00:58:29.400 --> 00:58:33.400 And then if it's loop 288 south versus loop 288 north, 00:58:33.400 --> 00:58:35.880 then how does that work? 00:58:35.880 --> 00:58:39.160 - So I think later on, I think Becky will bring 00:58:39.160 --> 00:58:42.760 the roadway impact fee ordinance and the study 00:58:42.760 --> 00:58:44.640 in front of you and just give you overall 00:58:44.640 --> 00:58:48.880 how that thing works, but essentially what happens 00:58:48.880 --> 00:58:51.120 with the roadway impact fee, there are areas identified 00:58:51.120 --> 00:58:54.280 similar to any other utility impact fee 00:58:54.280 --> 00:58:55.440 and so on and so forth. 00:58:55.440 --> 00:58:57.480 We have specific areas, we have identified 00:58:57.480 --> 00:59:00.520 specific projects within the area. 00:59:00.520 --> 00:59:02.880 It could be large arterials, it could be collectors, 00:59:02.880 --> 00:59:04.360 so on and so forth. 00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:09.120 And we develop a cost estimate based on today's dollar 00:59:09.120 --> 00:59:12.400 when we're doing the study, that that's the cost estimate. 00:59:12.400 --> 00:59:14.600 And then we collect the money that's coming in 00:59:14.600 --> 00:59:17.680 in a whole big pot that goes towards that area. 00:59:17.680 --> 00:59:21.000 So not necessarily a development that's located 00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:23.720 on the south side of that particular area. 00:59:23.720 --> 00:59:26.520 We'll contribute development or improvements 00:59:26.520 --> 00:59:30.640 on the roadway in front of their development. 00:59:30.640 --> 00:59:34.360 It's within that region we are, by state law, allowed 00:59:34.360 --> 00:59:37.080 to spend that money on different projects 00:59:37.080 --> 00:59:39.560 and the city gets to prioritize what projects 00:59:39.560 --> 00:59:43.240 and where is more important in certain areas. 00:59:43.240 --> 00:59:46.280 So that's how the roadway, there is a nexus study 00:59:46.280 --> 00:59:48.920 that identifies and defines all the projects 00:59:48.920 --> 00:59:51.920 that we are going to do and required. 00:59:51.920 --> 00:59:54.840 And the money that's collected goes towards that. 00:59:54.840 --> 00:59:57.400 But it's not necessarily line item loop 288 00:59:57.400 --> 00:59:58.520 from here to here. 00:59:58.520 --> 01:00:01.920 It's not necessarily defined, but we have some discretion 01:00:01.920 --> 01:00:03.360 over the whole area. 01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:04.200 - No, I wouldn't think so. 01:00:04.200 --> 01:00:06.520 That'd be way too complicated. 01:00:06.520 --> 01:00:08.840 We'd have dollars tied up for areas that should be needed. 01:00:08.840 --> 01:00:11.840 But so I think you said we're gonna get a presentation 01:00:11.840 --> 01:00:12.920 on that some other time. 01:00:12.920 --> 01:00:14.640 So cool. 01:00:14.640 --> 01:00:15.460 Thank you. 01:00:15.460 --> 01:00:18.960 - Okay, I do not see any other questions 01:00:18.960 --> 01:00:21.240 except I see Tina wanting to speak. 01:00:21.240 --> 01:00:23.560 - Just real quick. 01:00:23.560 --> 01:00:25.880 I wanted to let you know that this is pre-Tam's last 01:00:25.880 --> 01:00:27.160 planning and zoning commission meeting 01:00:27.160 --> 01:00:28.560 that you'll hear from him on. 01:00:28.560 --> 01:00:30.480 So we purposely made sure that we could get 01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:33.720 this boot camp presentation in before he's decided 01:00:33.720 --> 01:00:35.280 to go pursue greener pastures 01:00:35.280 --> 01:00:37.000 and work for another municipality. 01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:39.080 So I just wanted to let the commission know 01:00:39.080 --> 01:00:40.680 because I know you've had a working relationship 01:00:40.680 --> 01:00:41.840 with him in the past. 01:00:41.840 --> 01:00:44.040 And we appreciate all the guidance and expertise 01:00:44.040 --> 01:00:46.120 that he has provided our organization 01:00:46.120 --> 01:00:47.680 through the time that he's been here with us. 01:00:47.680 --> 01:00:52.000 So embrace this opportunity to ask him all TIA related 01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:53.400 questions that you want. 01:00:53.400 --> 01:00:56.920 Because this will be the last time 01:00:56.920 --> 01:00:58.360 he'll be able to address them for you. 01:00:58.360 --> 01:01:01.160 And then obviously we have a great resource with Karina 01:01:01.160 --> 01:01:03.880 now that she's back from her temporary leave 01:01:03.880 --> 01:01:05.720 to take care of her newborn. 01:01:05.720 --> 01:01:07.920 And so we're in great hands also 01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:10.520 with Karina's transportation background and expertise 01:01:10.520 --> 01:01:13.400 and also all of the development related work 01:01:13.400 --> 01:01:14.640 that she's done. 01:01:14.640 --> 01:01:16.680 She brings another level of expertise 01:01:16.680 --> 01:01:19.040 to our transportation planning program. 01:01:19.040 --> 01:01:22.760 Not to say that we won't miss pre-Tam, but because we will. 01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:25.720 But actually we're still in great hands also 01:01:25.720 --> 01:01:27.440 with Karina still being here. 01:01:27.440 --> 01:01:30.040 So with that, any final remaining TIA questions 01:01:30.040 --> 01:01:32.040 for pre-Tam, go ahead and fire away. 01:01:32.040 --> 01:01:34.280 (laughing) 01:01:34.280 --> 01:01:37.240 - I do not see any. 01:01:37.240 --> 01:01:39.840 So see if we're gonna give you a good send off. 01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:40.960 Pre-Tam, we will miss you. 01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:45.520 I did not know that you were pursuing other things. 01:01:45.520 --> 01:01:46.800 So all the best to you. 01:01:46.800 --> 01:01:49.240 Thank you for all the time you've given us 01:01:49.240 --> 01:01:51.320 and all the knowledge that you've shared with us. 01:01:51.320 --> 01:01:52.880 So good luck. 01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:56.880 - Okay, with that, I will close our work session at 6.03 01:01:56.880 --> 01:02:00.440 and we will reconvene in council chambers at 6.30. 01:02:00.440 --> 01:02:08.040 - Good evening and welcome to the city of Denton's 01:02:08.040 --> 01:02:09.560 planning and zoning commission meeting 01:02:09.560 --> 01:02:13.440 for Wednesday, October 12th, 2022. 01:02:13.440 --> 01:02:17.880 With the quorum present, I will call us to order at 6.31 PM. 01:02:17.880 --> 01:02:20.600 The first item on our agenda is the pledge of allegiance 01:02:20.600 --> 01:02:22.320 to the US and Texas flex. 01:02:23.160 --> 01:02:24.360 (laughing) 01:02:24.360 --> 01:02:27.720 - I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States 01:02:27.720 --> 01:02:31.600 of America and to the Republic for which it stands, 01:02:31.600 --> 01:02:34.800 one nation under God, indivisible, 01:02:34.800 --> 01:02:36.920 with liberty and justice for all. 01:02:36.920 --> 01:02:43.200 Under the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to the Texas, 01:02:43.200 --> 01:02:46.960 one state under God, one and indivisible. 01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:52.000 - Thank you. 01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:57.000 The next item on our agenda is approval of our 01:02:57.000 --> 01:02:58.480 planning and zoning commission meeting 01:02:58.480 --> 01:03:01.400 for September 28th, the minutes from that meeting. 01:03:01.400 --> 01:03:04.640 Is there any discussion from the commission 01:03:04.640 --> 01:03:06.560 or I can entertain a motion? 01:03:06.560 --> 01:03:16.280 - We are not seeing the buttons on the screen. 01:03:16.280 --> 01:03:17.120 Point of order. 01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:27.960 Looks like we are having a bit of technical difficulty. 01:03:27.960 --> 01:03:41.960 No, I would back that up because no one's made a motion yet. 01:03:41.960 --> 01:03:43.800 Yeah. 01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:46.040 (laughing) 01:03:48.320 --> 01:03:52.160 - Okay, do you have, do you not have a button 01:03:52.160 --> 01:03:53.760 to make a motion? 01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:56.480 Okay, it looks like we are gonna have to go ahead 01:03:56.480 --> 01:03:58.080 and do hands. 01:03:58.080 --> 01:04:00.240 So Commissioner Villarreal. 01:04:00.240 --> 01:04:03.680 - I move to approve. 01:04:03.680 --> 01:04:04.520 - Okay. 01:04:04.520 --> 01:04:05.800 We have a first for approval of the minutes 01:04:05.800 --> 01:04:07.680 for September 28th meeting. 01:04:07.680 --> 01:04:08.520 Commissioner Smith. 01:04:08.520 --> 01:04:09.360 - Second. 01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:10.520 - Okay, we've got a first and a second. 01:04:10.520 --> 01:04:12.800 Any discussion from the commission? 01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:16.000 Okay, let's go ahead and take a roll call vote. 01:04:16.000 --> 01:04:17.400 Commissioner Villarreal. 01:04:17.400 --> 01:04:18.320 - Aye. 01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:19.440 - Commissioner Smith. 01:04:19.440 --> 01:04:20.280 - Aye. 01:04:20.280 --> 01:04:21.640 - Commissioner Pruitt. 01:04:21.640 --> 01:04:22.480 - Aye. 01:04:22.480 --> 01:04:23.360 - Commissioner McDade. 01:04:23.360 --> 01:04:24.520 - Aye. 01:04:24.520 --> 01:04:25.840 - Commissioner Anderson. 01:04:25.840 --> 01:04:26.680 - Aye. 01:04:26.680 --> 01:04:27.500 - Commissioner Cole. 01:04:27.500 --> 01:04:28.340 - Aye. 01:04:28.340 --> 01:04:29.440 - Chair is also an aye. 01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:33.440 That motion passes seven zero. 01:04:33.440 --> 01:04:36.920 That will take us to our consent agenda for this evening. 01:04:36.920 --> 01:04:42.120 And it would appear we'll have to do the same, I believe. 01:04:47.200 --> 01:04:48.520 Commissioner Smith. 01:04:48.520 --> 01:04:50.360 - Make a motion to approve. 01:04:50.360 --> 01:04:51.600 - Okay, we've got a first for approval 01:04:51.600 --> 01:04:52.920 of the consent agenda. 01:04:52.920 --> 01:04:54.840 Commissioner Anderson. 01:04:54.840 --> 01:04:55.680 - Second. 01:04:55.680 --> 01:04:57.040 - Okay, first and a second for approval 01:04:57.040 --> 01:04:58.680 of the consent agenda this evening. 01:04:58.680 --> 01:05:00.480 Any discussion? 01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:02.800 Okay, let's take a roll call vote. 01:05:02.800 --> 01:05:04.040 Commissioner Smith. 01:05:04.040 --> 01:05:04.880 - Aye. 01:05:04.880 --> 01:05:05.700 - Commissioner Anderson. 01:05:05.700 --> 01:05:06.540 - Aye. 01:05:06.540 --> 01:05:07.640 - Commissioner Pruitt. 01:05:07.640 --> 01:05:08.480 - Aye. 01:05:08.480 --> 01:05:09.320 - Commissioner McDade. 01:05:09.320 --> 01:05:10.800 - Aye. 01:05:10.800 --> 01:05:12.240 - Commissioner Villarreal. 01:05:12.240 --> 01:05:13.080 - Aye. 01:05:13.080 --> 01:05:13.900 - Commissioner Cole. 01:05:13.900 --> 01:05:14.740 - Aye. 01:05:14.740 --> 01:05:15.580 - Chair is also an aye. 01:05:15.580 --> 01:05:18.680 That motion carries seven zero. 01:05:18.680 --> 01:05:22.480 That will take us to our items for individual consideration. 01:05:22.480 --> 01:05:26.960 4A is PZ22-220B, 01:05:26.960 --> 01:05:28.920 and that is to consider the approval 01:05:28.920 --> 01:05:33.140 of our Planning and Zoning Commission calendar for 2023. 01:05:33.140 --> 01:05:34.760 Hi there, Sean. 01:05:34.760 --> 01:05:37.880 - So yes, Chair, members of the commission. 01:05:37.880 --> 01:05:40.400 This is the calendar for your consideration 01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:44.180 for the Planning and Zoning Commission meetings for 2023. 01:05:44.180 --> 01:05:46.640 Happy to answer any questions you may have on that. 01:05:46.640 --> 01:05:48.880 - I think we discussed that in work session. 01:05:48.880 --> 01:05:51.160 There were no concerns on that. 01:05:51.160 --> 01:05:53.200 Have any come up since? 01:05:53.200 --> 01:05:54.640 Okay, thank you, Sean. 01:05:54.640 --> 01:05:55.640 Commissioner Smith. 01:05:55.640 --> 01:05:56.720 - Make a motion to approve. 01:05:56.720 --> 01:05:58.880 - Okay, we've got a motion for approval. 01:05:58.880 --> 01:06:00.380 Commissioner Villarreal. 01:06:00.380 --> 01:06:01.220 - Second. 01:06:01.220 --> 01:06:02.280 - Okay, we've got a first and a second 01:06:02.280 --> 01:06:06.020 to approve the 2023 Planning and Zoning Commission calendar. 01:06:06.020 --> 01:06:08.840 Any discussion? 01:06:08.840 --> 01:06:10.320 Okay, Commissioner Smith. 01:06:10.320 --> 01:06:11.160 - Aye. 01:06:11.160 --> 01:06:12.160 - Commissioner Villarreal. 01:06:12.160 --> 01:06:13.000 - Aye. 01:06:13.000 --> 01:06:13.820 - Commissioner Pruitt. 01:06:13.820 --> 01:06:14.660 - Aye. 01:06:14.660 --> 01:06:15.480 - Commissioner McDade. 01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:16.320 - Aye. 01:06:16.320 --> 01:06:17.160 - Commissioner Anderson. 01:06:17.160 --> 01:06:17.980 - Aye. 01:06:17.980 --> 01:06:18.820 - Commissioner Cole. 01:06:18.820 --> 01:06:19.660 - Aye. 01:06:19.660 --> 01:06:20.480 - Chair's also an aye. 01:06:20.480 --> 01:06:22.880 That motion carries seven, zero. 01:06:22.880 --> 01:06:28.800 That will take us to item 4B, FP 22-0028. 01:06:28.800 --> 01:06:31.840 I'll invite Mia up for presentation. 01:06:31.840 --> 01:06:35.360 - Good evening, Chair, members of the commission. 01:06:35.360 --> 01:06:39.000 I'm Mia Hines, Associate Planner. 01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:41.280 This item is a final plight for, 01:06:41.280 --> 01:06:44.000 I'm trying to reply for Razor Ranch Town Center 01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:46.480 and the purpose of this plight was to establish 01:06:46.480 --> 01:06:48.320 the easements associated with the Razor Ranch 01:06:48.320 --> 01:06:50.160 Town Center development. 01:06:50.160 --> 01:06:53.760 When the report went out, staff's recommendation 01:06:53.760 --> 01:06:56.880 was of denial, but we have worked internally with staff 01:06:56.880 --> 01:06:59.320 and with the applicants to make sure 01:06:59.320 --> 01:07:01.200 the remaining comments were satisfied 01:07:01.200 --> 01:07:03.720 and so now our recommendation is of approval 01:07:03.720 --> 01:07:06.760 and I will stand for any questions you have at this time. 01:07:06.760 --> 01:07:07.760 - Thank you, Mia. 01:07:07.760 --> 01:07:10.100 - Any questions for Mia? 01:07:12.240 --> 01:07:13.080 No? 01:07:13.080 --> 01:07:15.060 Okay, thank you very much. 01:07:15.060 --> 01:07:16.240 Commissioner Anderson. 01:07:16.240 --> 01:07:17.720 - Make a motion to approve. 01:07:17.720 --> 01:07:19.840 - Okay, Commissioner Smith. 01:07:19.840 --> 01:07:20.800 - Second. 01:07:20.800 --> 01:07:23.400 - Okay, we've got a first and a second for approval. 01:07:23.400 --> 01:07:24.480 Any discussion? 01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:27.740 Okay, we'll take a roll call vote. 01:07:27.740 --> 01:07:29.040 Commissioner Anderson. 01:07:29.040 --> 01:07:29.860 - Aye. 01:07:29.860 --> 01:07:30.700 - Commissioner Smith. 01:07:30.700 --> 01:07:31.540 - Aye. 01:07:31.540 --> 01:07:32.360 - Commissioner Pruitt. 01:07:32.360 --> 01:07:33.200 - Aye. 01:07:33.200 --> 01:07:34.040 - Commissioner McDade. 01:07:34.040 --> 01:07:34.860 - Aye. 01:07:34.860 --> 01:07:35.700 - Commissioner Villarreal. 01:07:35.700 --> 01:07:36.540 - Aye. 01:07:36.540 --> 01:07:37.360 - Commissioner Cole. 01:07:37.360 --> 01:07:38.480 - Aye. 01:07:38.480 --> 01:07:39.760 - Chair is also an aye. 01:07:39.760 --> 01:07:42.520 That motion carries seven, zero. 01:07:42.520 --> 01:07:47.520 That will take us to 4CPP-0007B. 01:07:47.520 --> 01:07:50.680 I'll invite Julie Wyatt up for presentation of this item. 01:07:50.680 --> 01:07:51.720 Hi, Julie. 01:07:51.720 --> 01:07:52.560 - Good evening. 01:07:52.560 --> 01:07:54.960 Julie Wyatt, Senior Planner with the City of Denton. 01:07:54.960 --> 01:07:57.760 This is a preliminary plat for the Audreau subdivision, 01:07:57.760 --> 01:08:01.000 a single family residential subdivision south of Audre Lane. 01:08:01.000 --> 01:08:06.120 When the agenda went out, it was a recommendation of denial 01:08:06.120 --> 01:08:08.960 as there were a couple of items they still needed to address. 01:08:08.960 --> 01:08:10.620 They've worked with our engineering group 01:08:10.620 --> 01:08:14.360 and those items have been addressed and cleared 01:08:14.360 --> 01:08:16.160 and so staff is recommending approval. 01:08:16.160 --> 01:08:18.040 I'll be happy to answer any questions. 01:08:18.040 --> 01:08:18.920 - Thanks, Julie. 01:08:18.920 --> 01:08:19.760 Any questions? 01:08:19.760 --> 01:08:23.840 Okay, thank you. 01:08:23.840 --> 01:08:25.640 Commissioner Villarreal. 01:08:25.640 --> 01:08:27.000 - Move to approve. 01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:29.460 - Okay, we've got a first for approval. 01:08:29.460 --> 01:08:30.400 Commissioner Smith. 01:08:30.400 --> 01:08:31.580 - Second. 01:08:31.580 --> 01:08:34.600 - Okay, we got a first and a second for approval. 01:08:34.600 --> 01:08:37.480 This item, any discussion? 01:08:39.080 --> 01:08:40.520 Okay, let's take a roll call vote. 01:08:40.520 --> 01:08:41.680 Commissioner Villarreal. 01:08:41.680 --> 01:08:42.520 - Aye. 01:08:42.520 --> 01:08:43.340 - Commissioner Smith. 01:08:43.340 --> 01:08:44.180 - Aye. 01:08:44.180 --> 01:08:45.020 - Commissioner Pruitt. 01:08:45.020 --> 01:08:45.840 - Aye. 01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:46.680 - Commissioner McDade. 01:08:46.680 --> 01:08:47.520 - Aye. 01:08:47.520 --> 01:08:48.340 - Commissioner Anderson. 01:08:48.340 --> 01:08:49.180 - Aye. 01:08:49.180 --> 01:08:50.020 - Commissioner Cole. 01:08:50.020 --> 01:08:50.840 - Aye. 01:08:50.840 --> 01:08:51.680 - Chair is also an aye. 01:08:51.680 --> 01:08:54.380 That motion carries seven, zero. 01:08:54.380 --> 01:08:58.920 With item 4D, that item has been withdrawn 01:08:58.920 --> 01:09:03.560 so we will not be taking action on that item this evening. 01:09:03.560 --> 01:09:07.560 That will take us to our public hearing portion for tonight. 01:09:08.840 --> 01:09:13.360 Call up 5A, Z22-0011. 01:09:13.360 --> 01:09:15.080 We'll invite Sean up for presentation 01:09:15.080 --> 01:09:16.480 and open the public hearing. 01:09:16.480 --> 01:09:18.360 - Thank you, Chair. - Hello again, Sean. 01:09:18.360 --> 01:09:19.360 - Good evening. 01:09:19.360 --> 01:09:22.680 Sean Jacobson, Associate Planner. 01:09:22.680 --> 01:09:26.000 Here to present Z22-0011. 01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:28.000 Just gonna open up my presentation here. 01:09:28.000 --> 01:09:30.560 All right. 01:09:30.560 --> 01:09:33.000 Yes, Michael, thank you. 01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:36.520 So yes, this is Z22-0011. 01:09:36.520 --> 01:09:39.080 This is a request for a rezoning from 01:09:39.080 --> 01:09:40.760 current mixed use regional zoning 01:09:40.760 --> 01:09:42.840 to a light industrial zoning 01:09:42.840 --> 01:09:47.160 on a property located between Bartholomew Road and FM 1173. 01:09:47.160 --> 01:09:49.880 It's approximately 53.6 acres. 01:09:49.880 --> 01:09:52.200 The property is currently mostly undeveloped. 01:09:52.200 --> 01:09:53.520 There is one single family dwelling 01:09:53.520 --> 01:09:55.340 as well as a plugged gas well. 01:09:55.340 --> 01:09:59.480 Of course, we want to consider all of our criteria, 01:09:59.480 --> 01:10:02.680 but particularly alignment with our comprehensive plan 01:10:02.680 --> 01:10:03.880 and our future land use map. 01:10:03.880 --> 01:10:06.640 As you can see here, the comprehensive plan 01:10:06.640 --> 01:10:10.440 future land use map calls for light industrial in this area. 01:10:10.440 --> 01:10:13.200 And this request would align with, of course, 01:10:13.200 --> 01:10:14.600 that future land use. 01:10:14.600 --> 01:10:19.360 In addition, our comprehensive plan in action 3.1.1 01:10:19.360 --> 01:10:22.400 encourages us to ensure that there is adequate land 01:10:22.400 --> 01:10:25.080 available particularly for non-commercial development 01:10:25.080 --> 01:10:26.080 in the future. 01:10:26.080 --> 01:10:28.920 And this rezoning would help to accomplish that 01:10:28.920 --> 01:10:31.320 by ensuring that there is light industrial 01:10:31.320 --> 01:10:34.480 zone land available for those types of future development. 01:10:34.480 --> 01:10:39.440 Also want to specifically address the current zoning 01:10:39.440 --> 01:10:42.080 on the property of MR, which could be a little bit surprising 01:10:42.080 --> 01:10:43.800 given that it's so out of line 01:10:43.800 --> 01:10:45.640 with our current future land use map. 01:10:45.640 --> 01:10:50.640 Briefly, that was put in place back in the 2002 zoning. 01:10:50.640 --> 01:10:55.880 And at the time, the 1999 to 2020 comprehensive plan 01:10:55.880 --> 01:10:58.720 was expecting that there would be a major entertainment 01:10:58.720 --> 01:11:01.840 and shopping area that would develop out there. 01:11:01.840 --> 01:11:04.200 And since then, of course, Razor Ranch has developed 01:11:04.200 --> 01:11:05.480 as that area. 01:11:05.480 --> 01:11:08.040 And in addition, we've seen more of a trend 01:11:08.040 --> 01:11:11.160 of industrial development in that area. 01:11:11.160 --> 01:11:13.000 And so based on that, the comprehensive plan 01:11:13.000 --> 01:11:15.000 most recently approved in 2022 01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:17.720 reflects those changed expectations. 01:11:17.720 --> 01:11:20.800 And this zoning would bring the property back into line 01:11:20.800 --> 01:11:22.440 with our comprehensive plan. 01:11:22.440 --> 01:11:23.920 As you can see there, just highlighted 01:11:23.920 --> 01:11:25.720 some of the residential uses that would be permitted 01:11:25.720 --> 01:11:28.560 by right now, which would not necessarily be in line 01:11:28.560 --> 01:11:31.720 with the comprehensive plan expectations for this property. 01:11:31.720 --> 01:11:36.200 So overall, this request does meet our criteria 01:11:36.200 --> 01:11:37.040 for approval. 01:11:37.040 --> 01:11:41.320 We did also go through our standard notification process. 01:11:41.320 --> 01:11:43.960 We have not received any responses, 01:11:43.960 --> 01:11:45.680 they're positive or negatively. 01:11:45.680 --> 01:11:48.800 The applicant did hold a neighborhood meeting 01:11:48.800 --> 01:11:52.160 and we were able to hear from some of the neighbors. 01:11:52.160 --> 01:11:54.240 They were not opposed, they did have some questions 01:11:54.240 --> 01:11:56.720 and concerns related to lighting, 01:11:56.720 --> 01:11:58.800 transportation, security. 01:11:58.800 --> 01:12:01.000 And we were able to discuss those with them. 01:12:01.000 --> 01:12:05.360 So overall, staff is recommending approval 01:12:05.360 --> 01:12:08.280 of the change to the Light Industrial Zoning District 01:12:08.280 --> 01:12:09.600 on this property. 01:12:09.600 --> 01:12:11.720 That is my presentation, but I'm happy to stand 01:12:11.720 --> 01:12:12.560 for any questions. 01:12:12.560 --> 01:12:15.120 And the applicant is also here and does have a presentation. 01:12:15.120 --> 01:12:16.200 - Excellent, great. 01:12:16.200 --> 01:12:20.000 Any questions for Sean at this time? 01:12:20.000 --> 01:12:24.240 Okay, thank you, Sean. 01:12:24.240 --> 01:12:26.000 I do not have any cards, but I'll go ahead 01:12:26.000 --> 01:12:29.560 and invite the applicant up for their presentation. 01:12:29.560 --> 01:12:36.080 I'd call you by name if I had your card, but that's okay. 01:12:36.080 --> 01:12:37.960 I said I'd call you by name if I had your card 01:12:37.960 --> 01:12:40.440 in front of me, but if you will just state your name 01:12:40.440 --> 01:12:42.320 and address it and your time will begin. 01:12:42.320 --> 01:12:43.160 - Yes, Todd Finley, CLX Ventures. 01:12:43.160 --> 01:12:44.320 How are you all doing tonight? 01:12:44.320 --> 01:12:45.160 - Good evening. 01:12:45.160 --> 01:12:45.980 - Thank you for your time. 01:12:45.980 --> 01:12:50.640 I won't take too long, but CLX Ventures, 01:12:50.640 --> 01:12:54.280 we're currently building a industrial development 01:12:54.280 --> 01:12:56.520 just south of this site. 01:12:56.520 --> 01:13:00.360 You probably noticed it if you're driving by 35 lately. 01:13:00.360 --> 01:13:03.360 But it'll be three buildings, 1.1 million square feet. 01:13:03.360 --> 01:13:07.760 So we definitely know the area and know the staff 01:13:07.760 --> 01:13:08.840 and know the process. 01:13:08.840 --> 01:13:15.960 Brad Copeland and Tony Long are our co-founders, 01:13:15.960 --> 01:13:19.340 both with 30 years of experience in real estate. 01:13:20.680 --> 01:13:24.680 I have 20 years of construction and development experience. 01:13:24.680 --> 01:13:31.720 This is just a map of the cities and locations 01:13:31.720 --> 01:13:34.560 we're currently developing in or have developed in. 01:13:34.560 --> 01:13:38.580 Our main focus is across the I-35 corridor, 01:13:38.580 --> 01:13:41.480 large cities and that. 01:13:41.480 --> 01:13:43.080 Right now we're only Texas-based, 01:13:43.080 --> 01:13:47.460 but we don't have any plans to expand out of Texas right now. 01:13:49.880 --> 01:13:53.480 This is just a photo of a rendering we did 01:13:53.480 --> 01:13:55.940 at DFW Airport and then an actual building, 01:13:55.940 --> 01:13:59.100 later leased that to Amazon. 01:13:59.100 --> 01:14:07.900 This is another facility we finished in Duncanville, 01:14:07.900 --> 01:14:10.960 leased it and sold it to the user. 01:14:10.960 --> 01:14:16.260 This is a project that Brad and I worked together 01:14:16.260 --> 01:14:20.600 on four or five years ago in Houston on I-45. 01:14:20.600 --> 01:14:28.520 This is a conceptual site plan 01:14:28.520 --> 01:14:29.980 for what we're planning to do. 01:14:29.980 --> 01:14:35.000 We have, as Sean said, we did have a neighborhood meeting. 01:14:35.000 --> 01:14:38.320 We've been coordinating with the city staff 01:14:38.320 --> 01:14:43.320 as far as engineering on the idea 01:14:43.760 --> 01:14:47.920 of having a north-south collector that will be required. 01:14:47.920 --> 01:14:51.080 We're working with the adjacent landowner 01:14:51.080 --> 01:14:54.840 to acquire or have a right-of-way dedication. 01:14:54.840 --> 01:14:57.460 We understand that requirement 01:14:57.460 --> 01:14:59.680 that the city has put on us. 01:14:59.680 --> 01:15:02.120 It's not shown on here, but it would be 01:15:02.120 --> 01:15:04.140 on the western side of the property. 01:15:04.140 --> 01:15:09.320 The tie-in up at Barthol Road will be the exact tie-in 01:15:09.320 --> 01:15:13.480 'cause that aligns with the future expansion 01:15:13.480 --> 01:15:14.880 with TxDOT on Barthol. 01:15:14.880 --> 01:15:20.960 And then our main drive in the middle of the two buildings 01:15:20.960 --> 01:15:24.920 ties in with our 1173 improvements 01:15:24.920 --> 01:15:28.720 that we're currently working on approval with on TxDOT. 01:15:28.720 --> 01:15:32.900 That's all. 01:15:32.900 --> 01:15:33.740 Any questions? 01:15:33.740 --> 01:15:35.360 - Great. 01:15:35.360 --> 01:15:36.320 Any questions? 01:15:36.320 --> 01:15:38.600 We do not see anything. 01:15:38.600 --> 01:15:40.440 Thank you for your presentation. 01:15:40.440 --> 01:15:42.200 - Thank you. - Appreciate it. 01:15:42.200 --> 01:15:44.320 I don't have any cards in front of me to speak, 01:15:44.320 --> 01:15:45.440 but this is a public hearing, 01:15:45.440 --> 01:15:47.680 so anyone from the audience who wishes 01:15:47.680 --> 01:15:49.680 to speak on this item certainly can. 01:15:49.680 --> 01:15:59.560 Hi, if you'll just give your name and address, 01:15:59.560 --> 01:16:00.560 your time will begin. 01:16:00.560 --> 01:16:01.400 Hi. 01:16:01.400 --> 01:16:03.080 - Good evening, I'm Gretchen Van Olken. 01:16:03.080 --> 01:16:06.280 I've been a lawyer in Denton for quite some time, 01:16:06.280 --> 01:16:08.800 and I've represented Evelyn Barthold 01:16:08.800 --> 01:16:13.080 who owns the 73 acres just adjacent to this property 01:16:13.080 --> 01:16:15.440 to the west of this property. 01:16:15.440 --> 01:16:16.880 She was unable to be here tonight, 01:16:16.880 --> 01:16:18.560 but I spoke with her this afternoon. 01:16:18.560 --> 01:16:19.520 We've represented her. 01:16:19.520 --> 01:16:21.760 My firm has for 15 to 20 years. 01:16:21.760 --> 01:16:23.000 She authorized me to let you know 01:16:23.000 --> 01:16:25.440 that she has no objection to this project. 01:16:25.440 --> 01:16:26.280 - Very good. 01:16:26.280 --> 01:16:27.280 Thank you for coming out. 01:16:27.280 --> 01:16:33.840 Anyone else wishing to speak on this item? 01:16:33.840 --> 01:16:37.720 Okay. 01:16:37.720 --> 01:16:39.680 Seeing none, I will close the public hearing 01:16:39.680 --> 01:16:42.760 and open the floor for discussion or a motion. 01:16:42.760 --> 01:16:46.320 Commissioner Smith. 01:16:46.320 --> 01:16:48.440 - Make a motion to approve. 01:16:48.440 --> 01:16:49.280 - Commissioner McDade. 01:16:49.280 --> 01:16:50.100 - Second. 01:16:50.100 --> 01:16:51.600 - Okay, we've got a first and a second 01:16:51.600 --> 01:16:53.140 for approval of this request. 01:16:53.140 --> 01:16:55.640 Is there any further discussion by the commission? 01:16:55.640 --> 01:16:57.840 Okay. 01:16:57.840 --> 01:16:59.680 Seeing none, we'll take a roll call vote. 01:16:59.680 --> 01:17:00.800 Commissioner Smith. 01:17:00.800 --> 01:17:03.040 - Aye. 01:17:03.040 --> 01:17:03.880 - Commissioner McDade. 01:17:03.880 --> 01:17:04.700 - Aye. 01:17:04.700 --> 01:17:05.540 - Commissioner Pruitt. 01:17:05.540 --> 01:17:06.380 - Aye. 01:17:06.380 --> 01:17:07.680 - Commissioner Anderson. 01:17:07.680 --> 01:17:08.520 - Aye. 01:17:08.520 --> 01:17:09.800 - Commissioner Villarreal. 01:17:09.800 --> 01:17:10.620 - Aye. 01:17:10.620 --> 01:17:11.560 - Commissioner Cole. 01:17:11.560 --> 01:17:12.600 - Aye. 01:17:12.600 --> 01:17:14.000 - Chair is also an aye. 01:17:14.000 --> 01:17:16.600 That motion carries seven zero. 01:17:16.600 --> 01:17:23.900 That will take us to 5B, Z22-0014. 01:17:23.900 --> 01:17:25.840 I'll invite Angie up for presentation 01:17:25.840 --> 01:17:28.060 and open the public hearing. 01:17:28.060 --> 01:17:28.900 - Thank you. 01:17:28.900 --> 01:17:29.720 Good evening, Chair. 01:17:29.720 --> 01:17:31.460 Give me just one moment. 01:17:31.460 --> 01:17:37.640 Angie Mingler is Senior Planner, City of Den. 01:17:37.640 --> 01:17:42.640 This is zoning case Z22-0014, Stella Hills. 01:17:42.640 --> 01:17:44.960 The proposed request is for approximately 01:17:44.960 --> 01:17:48.000 84.9 acre tract of land, 01:17:48.000 --> 01:17:49.440 currently zoned rural residential, 01:17:49.440 --> 01:17:51.840 residential four and mixed use neighborhood 01:17:51.840 --> 01:17:54.840 to a zoning designation of residential six. 01:17:54.840 --> 01:17:57.460 It is located on the south side of East McKinney Street 01:17:57.460 --> 01:18:01.080 at the intersection of East McKinney and Laney Circle. 01:18:01.080 --> 01:18:03.640 The subject property has a future land use designation 01:18:03.640 --> 01:18:06.640 of low residential in the Den 2040 plan. 01:18:06.640 --> 01:18:08.640 It is currently predominantly undeveloped. 01:18:08.640 --> 01:18:11.340 There are three single family detached dwellings 01:18:11.340 --> 01:18:13.280 on the eastern portion of the site. 01:18:13.280 --> 01:18:14.640 On the southwest corner of the site, 01:18:14.640 --> 01:18:16.560 there is existing FEMA floodplain, 01:18:16.560 --> 01:18:19.440 as well as a 50 foot wide Atmos gas easement 01:18:19.440 --> 01:18:21.760 that clips that southwest corner. 01:18:21.760 --> 01:18:23.200 To the east of the development 01:18:23.200 --> 01:18:27.760 is the existing Townsend Green development zoned R4. 01:18:27.760 --> 01:18:28.940 I'm sorry, that's to the west. 01:18:28.940 --> 01:18:31.800 To the east of the development is undeveloped R6. 01:18:31.800 --> 01:18:32.820 And then to the south, 01:18:32.820 --> 01:18:36.000 there is existing undeveloped residential two zoning. 01:18:36.000 --> 01:18:38.240 Into the north, north of McKinney Street there, 01:18:38.240 --> 01:18:41.560 there is a strip of undeveloped mixed use neighborhood 01:18:41.560 --> 01:18:43.520 as well as R6 zoning. 01:18:43.520 --> 01:18:47.840 This application was reviewed in accordance 01:18:47.840 --> 01:18:50.860 with the requirements in DDC subchapter two, 01:18:50.860 --> 01:18:52.600 as well as against the goals 01:18:52.600 --> 01:18:55.040 in the Den 2040 comprehensive plan. 01:18:55.040 --> 01:18:57.720 The Den 2040 plan calls for this area 01:18:57.720 --> 01:19:00.120 to develop predominantly as low residential, 01:19:00.120 --> 01:19:03.080 which calls for lot sizes ranging in one acre 01:19:03.080 --> 01:19:05.880 up to five units per acre gross density. 01:19:05.880 --> 01:19:08.120 The proposed R6 zoning is consistent 01:19:08.120 --> 01:19:10.120 with the future land use designation. 01:19:10.120 --> 01:19:11.400 However, it is important to note 01:19:11.400 --> 01:19:13.360 that some of the uses permitted in R6, 01:19:13.360 --> 01:19:15.160 such as triplexes and fourplexes, 01:19:15.160 --> 01:19:18.120 while not directly consistent with the future land use plan, 01:19:18.120 --> 01:19:20.520 are consistent with the existing development pattern 01:19:20.520 --> 01:19:23.000 and zoning within this corridor. 01:19:23.000 --> 01:19:25.640 The Den 2040 plan also calls 01:19:25.640 --> 01:19:28.040 for providing diverse housing options 01:19:28.040 --> 01:19:30.400 in varieties of density, styles, and price points. 01:19:30.400 --> 01:19:33.760 More specifically, goal HN1 calls for the development 01:19:33.760 --> 01:19:35.240 and maintenance of a housing stock 01:19:35.240 --> 01:19:37.520 that meets the needs of all residents 01:19:37.520 --> 01:19:41.360 to provide an array of choices in type, cost, and locations. 01:19:41.360 --> 01:19:43.640 The proposed R6 zoning is consistent 01:19:43.640 --> 01:19:45.760 with the achievement of that goal. 01:19:45.760 --> 01:19:50.600 This site does have a bit of ESA, 01:19:50.600 --> 01:19:53.480 as well as potential ESA on it, 01:19:53.480 --> 01:19:57.000 as evidenced by the preferred land preservation map 01:19:57.000 --> 01:19:57.960 that you see here. 01:19:57.960 --> 01:20:02.080 Submitted in concurrence with the zoning application 01:20:02.080 --> 01:20:04.400 was an ESA field assessment. 01:20:04.400 --> 01:20:06.800 Along the southern portion of the subject property, 01:20:06.800 --> 01:20:08.960 there are potential riparian buffers, 01:20:08.960 --> 01:20:12.440 as well as upland habitat and water-related habitat ESAs 01:20:12.440 --> 01:20:13.560 that may exist. 01:20:13.560 --> 01:20:16.040 Should these ESAs be confirmed, 01:20:16.040 --> 01:20:18.560 any development that is not permitted by right 01:20:18.560 --> 01:20:23.560 in 7.4.7 of the DDC would require review and approval 01:20:23.560 --> 01:20:26.400 of an alt ESA plan by city council. 01:20:26.400 --> 01:20:28.960 At this time, the ongoing ESA has confirmed 01:20:28.960 --> 01:20:31.240 that the potential riparian buffer shown there 01:20:31.240 --> 01:20:33.640 in the center of the subject property 01:20:33.640 --> 01:20:37.560 does not appear to meet the criteria for riparian buffers. 01:20:37.560 --> 01:20:42.160 The ESA map will be reflected to remove that designation 01:20:42.160 --> 01:20:44.200 once the entirety of the field assessment 01:20:44.200 --> 01:20:48.440 has been completed to remove the potential 01:20:48.440 --> 01:20:51.520 ESA riparian buffer that is shown here on this plan. 01:20:51.520 --> 01:20:55.000 This application was reviewed in accordance 01:20:55.000 --> 01:20:59.200 with the review criteria as set forth in DDC subchapter two, 01:20:59.200 --> 01:21:01.280 and staff is forwarding it this evening 01:21:01.280 --> 01:21:03.200 with a recommendation of approval. 01:21:03.960 --> 01:21:06.240 Public outreach was conducted in accordance 01:21:06.240 --> 01:21:08.320 with state law and city ordinances. 01:21:08.320 --> 01:21:10.960 At this time, we've not received any responses 01:21:10.960 --> 01:21:12.960 to those outreach efforts, 01:21:12.960 --> 01:21:15.760 and a neighborhood meeting for this case was not held. 01:21:15.760 --> 01:21:18.440 Staff is forwarding this to you this evening 01:21:18.440 --> 01:21:20.760 with a recommendation of approval as it complies 01:21:20.760 --> 01:21:23.440 with the criteria in DDC subchapter two. 01:21:23.440 --> 01:21:26.460 The next step in this project will be a public hearing 01:21:26.460 --> 01:21:29.360 at city council on October 18th, 01:21:29.360 --> 01:21:31.400 and I'm happy to answer any questions you may have. 01:21:31.400 --> 01:21:34.200 I believe the applicant is also here with a presentation. 01:21:34.200 --> 01:21:36.240 - Great, thank you, Angie. 01:21:36.240 --> 01:21:38.260 Any questions at the moment for Angie? 01:21:38.260 --> 01:21:42.560 Thank you very much. 01:21:42.560 --> 01:21:45.000 I'll go ahead and invite the applicant up 01:21:45.000 --> 01:21:47.560 for their presentation. 01:21:47.560 --> 01:21:48.400 Good evening. 01:21:48.400 --> 01:21:50.000 If you'll give us your name and address, 01:21:50.000 --> 01:21:51.180 your time will begin. 01:21:51.180 --> 01:21:56.800 - Good evening, my name is Sean Faulkner. 01:21:56.800 --> 01:21:57.880 I'm with the Foresight Group. 01:21:57.880 --> 01:22:00.840 My office is at 1999 Bryan Street in Dallas. 01:22:02.280 --> 01:22:04.680 I'm here, the developer is here as well 01:22:04.680 --> 01:22:06.480 with Allied Development. 01:22:06.480 --> 01:22:08.060 Talking about Stella Hills, 01:22:08.060 --> 01:22:11.680 just kind of a brief overview with current zoning. 01:22:11.680 --> 01:22:15.760 The zonings around us are residential. 01:22:15.760 --> 01:22:17.600 So again, with the comprehensive plan, 01:22:17.600 --> 01:22:19.480 we feel that the residential uses 01:22:19.480 --> 01:22:25.560 with our six requests fulfills with the adjacent properties. 01:22:25.560 --> 01:22:31.080 And then here's our concept plan 01:22:31.080 --> 01:22:34.680 that we have developed showing, 01:22:34.680 --> 01:22:37.540 right now we have 326 homes. 01:22:37.540 --> 01:22:41.620 The tract on the top of the property, 01:22:41.620 --> 01:22:45.000 that's a seller retained property, 01:22:45.000 --> 01:22:46.880 we'll probably be developing that, 01:22:46.880 --> 01:22:50.600 platting that as by three to four additional lots, 01:22:50.600 --> 01:22:54.020 but the current landowner will retain ownership of those. 01:22:54.020 --> 01:22:57.040 Right now, with this land plan, 01:22:57.040 --> 01:22:59.960 average lot size is about 7,500 square feet. 01:23:01.120 --> 01:23:04.120 And we planning to have eight and a half acres 01:23:04.120 --> 01:23:05.480 of open space. 01:23:05.480 --> 01:23:09.920 As you can see, we're very concerned with 01:23:09.920 --> 01:23:12.500 cross connections with the properties adjacent to us. 01:23:12.500 --> 01:23:14.920 On the bottom of our screen, which is to our west, 01:23:14.920 --> 01:23:17.220 that's the towns and green subdivision. 01:23:17.220 --> 01:23:19.400 We're connecting to two street stub outs 01:23:19.400 --> 01:23:20.840 that they have provided. 01:23:20.840 --> 01:23:23.120 And we are continuing two street stub outs 01:23:23.120 --> 01:23:26.520 to our east to the undivided property on that side. 01:23:29.200 --> 01:23:31.680 Trails up along McKinney Street, 01:23:31.680 --> 01:23:33.600 there is a, I believe an eight foot trail 01:23:33.600 --> 01:23:36.140 that towns and green is constructed. 01:23:36.140 --> 01:23:37.800 And we will continue that trail. 01:23:37.800 --> 01:23:41.240 On the southwest corner, 01:23:41.240 --> 01:23:43.800 we have been working with city staff 01:23:43.800 --> 01:23:48.800 to add a potential segment of the concrete trail 01:23:48.800 --> 01:23:52.220 that I believe that they're in the, 01:23:52.220 --> 01:23:55.120 about 30% design development stage. 01:23:55.120 --> 01:23:58.960 But we are working with them and we're investigating, 01:23:58.960 --> 01:24:03.080 putting that trail in and helping them with Atmos 01:24:03.080 --> 01:24:04.280 as a part of that trail. 01:24:04.280 --> 01:24:08.720 We'll probably go along the Atmos easement for that. 01:24:08.720 --> 01:24:11.360 Other amenities, we are also looking to put 01:24:11.360 --> 01:24:16.360 a top lot playground area in along our natural buffer. 01:24:16.360 --> 01:24:20.380 To the south of us is core property. 01:24:20.380 --> 01:24:22.680 So that property will never develop 01:24:22.680 --> 01:24:24.420 as part of Lake Louisville. 01:24:27.200 --> 01:24:28.920 Currently, we have the zoning case. 01:24:28.920 --> 01:24:33.920 And as Angie mentioned, we have ESA submittal under review. 01:24:33.920 --> 01:24:36.840 And our current schedule, 01:24:36.840 --> 01:24:39.800 we'll be coming up with a plan in December, 01:24:39.800 --> 01:24:42.960 go through construction plan reviews January to March 01:24:42.960 --> 01:24:47.960 and plan to start construction late spring in this year, 01:24:47.960 --> 01:24:49.680 or next year. 01:24:49.680 --> 01:24:52.320 So if you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer them. 01:24:52.320 --> 01:24:53.160 - Thank you. 01:24:53.160 --> 01:24:53.980 It does appear so. 01:24:53.980 --> 01:24:54.820 Commissioner Smith. 01:24:54.820 --> 01:24:56.320 - Thank you, Chair. 01:24:56.320 --> 01:24:58.560 - I know you said you had a conceptual plan. 01:24:58.560 --> 01:25:00.920 This is a zoning case, and so I understand that. 01:25:00.920 --> 01:25:03.280 On your conceptual plan, you said that's a big priority 01:25:03.280 --> 01:25:05.320 of you guys to make sure that this property, 01:25:05.320 --> 01:25:08.760 if approved, would be developed with connectors within there. 01:25:08.760 --> 01:25:11.840 That neighborhood to your east, or to your west, I'm sorry. 01:25:11.840 --> 01:25:12.680 - Yes. 01:25:12.680 --> 01:25:13.800 - That's all, those are all cul-de-sacs 01:25:13.800 --> 01:25:14.960 with backyards and that kind of thing. 01:25:14.960 --> 01:25:16.360 So I don't know if there's-- 01:25:16.360 --> 01:25:19.360 - No, well, there's two street sub-outs over that side. 01:25:19.360 --> 01:25:20.200 - Okay. 01:25:20.200 --> 01:25:21.040 - That they have stubbed out 01:25:21.040 --> 01:25:21.880 and we'll be connecting to those. 01:25:21.880 --> 01:25:24.800 - Do you know what roads those are? 01:25:24.800 --> 01:25:26.360 - I do not know the names of the roads, 01:25:26.360 --> 01:25:30.500 but they are, I've been out there in their barricades. 01:25:30.500 --> 01:25:31.340 - Okay. 01:25:31.340 --> 01:25:32.160 - And blocking them. 01:25:32.160 --> 01:25:36.800 So they're intended to be extended onto our property. 01:25:36.800 --> 01:25:39.400 - Okay. 01:25:39.400 --> 01:25:40.240 Thank you. 01:25:40.240 --> 01:25:44.280 - Any other questions at this time? 01:25:44.280 --> 01:25:48.080 I do not see any. 01:25:48.080 --> 01:25:49.520 Thank you for being here. 01:25:49.520 --> 01:25:51.400 I don't have any cards in front of me, 01:25:51.400 --> 01:25:54.160 but is there anyone wishing to speak who's here? 01:25:54.160 --> 01:25:56.060 Anyone wishing to speak on this item? 01:25:56.060 --> 01:26:02.200 Okay, seeing none, I will close the public hearing 01:26:02.200 --> 01:26:07.200 and I will open the floor for motion or discussion. 01:26:07.200 --> 01:26:10.120 Wow, and our board is working suddenly. 01:26:10.120 --> 01:26:11.280 Commissioner Cole. 01:26:11.280 --> 01:26:19.520 Thank you. 01:26:19.520 --> 01:26:20.340 Commissioner Cole. 01:26:20.340 --> 01:26:22.040 - I make a motion for approval. 01:26:22.040 --> 01:26:23.480 - Commissioner Anderson. 01:26:23.480 --> 01:26:24.680 - I make a second. 01:26:24.680 --> 01:26:27.640 - Okay, we've got a first and a second for approval. 01:26:27.640 --> 01:26:28.920 Is there any discussion? 01:26:28.920 --> 01:26:34.520 Okay, seeing none, I believe we can vote on the board. 01:26:34.520 --> 01:26:38.800 If we get that option. 01:26:38.800 --> 01:26:46.280 It's not lighting us at the moment. 01:26:46.280 --> 01:26:49.360 Okay. 01:26:49.360 --> 01:26:50.240 Well, that's okay. 01:26:52.040 --> 01:26:54.160 Oh, there we go. 01:26:54.160 --> 01:26:55.760 Okay, we can vote on the board. 01:26:55.760 --> 01:27:11.840 That motion carries seven zero. 01:27:11.840 --> 01:27:16.840 That will take us to five CZ two two dash zero zero one six. 01:27:16.840 --> 01:27:20.440 I'll go ahead and invite Julie up. 01:27:20.440 --> 01:27:23.560 If you wanted to say anything or I can just introduce it, 01:27:23.560 --> 01:27:24.400 it's up to you. 01:27:24.400 --> 01:27:27.880 I'll go ahead and open the public hearing 01:27:27.880 --> 01:27:28.780 while we have that. 01:27:28.780 --> 01:27:32.400 - We don't have a presentation tonight, 01:27:32.400 --> 01:27:35.480 but they are on the agenda. 01:27:35.480 --> 01:27:38.480 It shows that they're requesting to postpone 01:27:38.480 --> 01:27:40.760 to a date certain of October 26th. 01:27:40.760 --> 01:27:42.160 - Okay, very good. 01:27:42.160 --> 01:27:43.000 Thank you. 01:27:43.000 --> 01:27:49.420 So with that, I will leave the public hearing open 01:27:49.420 --> 01:27:52.000 and ask for a motion. 01:27:52.000 --> 01:27:53.120 Commissioner Villarreal. 01:27:53.120 --> 01:27:55.080 - I move to postpone to a date certain 01:27:55.080 --> 01:27:57.440 of October 26th, 2022. 01:27:57.440 --> 01:27:59.040 - Great, thank you, Commissioner Smith. 01:27:59.040 --> 01:27:59.880 - Second. 01:27:59.880 --> 01:28:01.520 - Okay, we've got a first and a second 01:28:01.520 --> 01:28:03.040 for approval of the postponement 01:28:03.040 --> 01:28:05.400 to a date certain of October 26th. 01:28:05.400 --> 01:28:06.280 Any discussion? 01:28:06.280 --> 01:28:11.960 Okay, seeing none, let's vote on the board. 01:28:19.240 --> 01:28:21.960 That motion carries seven, zero. 01:28:21.960 --> 01:28:23.400 That will take us to our Planning 01:28:23.400 --> 01:28:25.480 and Zoning Commission matrix. 01:28:25.480 --> 01:28:27.620 And I will turn it over to Haley. 01:28:27.620 --> 01:28:30.600 - All right, good evening. 01:28:30.600 --> 01:28:32.920 We actually have not had any items go to council 01:28:32.920 --> 01:28:36.020 since our last PNZ meeting, so nothing new to report there 01:28:36.020 --> 01:28:37.500 other than we did get our budget approved, 01:28:37.500 --> 01:28:38.920 so we can all celebrate that. 01:28:38.920 --> 01:28:40.240 - Yes. 01:28:40.240 --> 01:28:42.440 - And I did just wanna make sure you all were aware 01:28:42.440 --> 01:28:43.880 that a revised matrix was sent out 01:28:43.880 --> 01:28:45.280 after the agenda was posted 01:28:45.280 --> 01:28:47.400 'cause we accidentally had an outdated copy on there. 01:28:47.400 --> 01:28:50.000 So you'll see we did have removed several items 01:28:50.000 --> 01:28:52.360 that we've recently accomplished through our boot camps 01:28:52.360 --> 01:28:54.340 and other work session discussions. 01:28:54.340 --> 01:28:56.360 So we're happy to consider adding anything else 01:28:56.360 --> 01:28:57.240 that you all may have. 01:28:57.240 --> 01:28:58.320 - Great, thank you. 01:28:58.320 --> 01:28:59.160 Commissioner Smith. 01:28:59.160 --> 01:29:00.000 - Thank you, Chair. 01:29:00.000 --> 01:29:01.320 I brought it up in work session, Haley. 01:29:01.320 --> 01:29:03.840 I'd like to be able to have a longer discussion possibly 01:29:03.840 --> 01:29:06.800 about after the TIA presentation today, 01:29:06.800 --> 01:29:08.640 really just a deeper scrutinization 01:29:08.640 --> 01:29:10.780 of how when we see zoning cases, 01:29:10.780 --> 01:29:13.840 specifically zoning and SUP cases, 01:29:13.840 --> 01:29:18.720 that would predicate a TIA having some more context, 01:29:18.720 --> 01:29:21.360 specifically on, I know the impact fees 01:29:21.360 --> 01:29:23.720 are gonna be discussed at a future work session 01:29:23.720 --> 01:29:26.280 there in a boot camp, but having something involved 01:29:26.280 --> 01:29:29.080 in the presentations of this would trigger, 01:29:29.080 --> 01:29:32.240 this does not trigger traffic mitigation items 01:29:32.240 --> 01:29:34.040 that may be required because of this, 01:29:34.040 --> 01:29:36.480 that there's not enough funds to come with that, 01:29:36.480 --> 01:29:38.360 just so there's some more clarification, 01:29:38.360 --> 01:29:40.640 both to the public as well as the commissioners. 01:29:40.640 --> 01:29:43.260 Not only that the TIA does what it's supposed to, 01:29:43.260 --> 01:29:45.720 obviously, which is try to measure 01:29:45.720 --> 01:29:47.240 what generated traffic's gonna be 01:29:47.240 --> 01:29:49.640 and what safety protocols need to be in place, 01:29:49.640 --> 01:29:53.240 but give me some context of whenever a project is ahead, 01:29:53.240 --> 01:29:56.340 maybe possibly what traffic issues we may be causing, 01:29:56.340 --> 01:29:59.400 even though there is mitigation in a TIA in place, 01:29:59.400 --> 01:30:01.760 but how long that might be until that's done. 01:30:01.760 --> 01:30:04.520 So more context is essentially what I'm searching for there. 01:30:04.520 --> 01:30:05.360 - Okay. 01:30:05.360 --> 01:30:06.180 - Thank you, Haley. 01:30:06.180 --> 01:30:10.000 - Anything else for the matrix? 01:30:12.560 --> 01:30:13.760 - Tina. 01:30:13.760 --> 01:30:14.840 - Tina Fergens, planning director. 01:30:14.840 --> 01:30:16.720 Just a reminder of the upcoming joint meeting 01:30:16.720 --> 01:30:19.580 that should be on your calendars for next Tuesday. 01:30:19.580 --> 01:30:20.500 We start at noon. 01:30:20.500 --> 01:30:23.760 - Thank you for that reminder. 01:30:23.760 --> 01:30:26.240 Okay. 01:30:26.240 --> 01:30:28.400 Any concluding items from the commission? 01:30:28.400 --> 01:30:30.880 Commissioner Villarreal? 01:30:30.880 --> 01:30:32.360 - And we are still starting early 01:30:32.360 --> 01:30:34.760 next PNZ meeting, correct? 01:30:34.760 --> 01:30:36.120 - I believe that is the plan, 01:30:36.120 --> 01:30:38.880 and I would assume that, yeah, 01:30:38.880 --> 01:30:41.640 we'll get clarification on that at exactly what time, 01:30:41.640 --> 01:30:45.000 but yeah, that will be the plan in two weeks. 01:30:45.000 --> 01:30:45.840 Yes. 01:30:45.840 --> 01:30:46.660 - Yeah, I believe right now we're planning 01:30:46.660 --> 01:30:47.500 for a 3 p.m. start. 01:30:47.500 --> 01:30:48.320 - Okay. 01:30:48.320 --> 01:30:52.000 - As the PNZ convening as the CIAC that day. 01:30:52.000 --> 01:30:54.960 - Right, right, right, okay. 01:30:54.960 --> 01:30:56.760 Any other concluding items? 01:30:56.760 --> 01:30:58.880 Okay. 01:30:58.880 --> 01:31:01.980 I will go ahead and adjourn us at 6.59 p.m. 01:31:01.980 --> 01:31:03.480 Thank you very much, everyone.