1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,000 - Good afternoon and welcome to the City of Denton's 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:12,360 planning and zoning work session for Wednesday, 3 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:16,160 October 12th, 2022 at 5.01 with a quorum present, 4 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,320 I will call us to order. 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,400 The first item on our work session agenda 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,780 is citizen comment for the consent agenda. 7 00:00:24,780 --> 00:00:29,640 Is there anyone here wishing to speak on the consent agenda? 8 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:35,520 Okay, seeing none, we'll go ahead and move to clarification 9 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,240 of items on our agenda. 10 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:43,240 First thing is our minutes for the 28th. 11 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,080 Anything on that? 12 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,680 Okay. 13 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:50,840 Any questions from the commission on the consent agenda? 14 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,760 We've got one preliminary plait. 15 00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:00,360 Okay, then items for individual consideration. 16 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:05,240 The first one is the P&Z calendar for 2023. 17 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,880 Haley, do you have something to say on that? 18 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:09,720 - Yeah, I was just gonna add, 19 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:11,400 we do have a separate work session item for that, 20 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,000 so we can skip that for now 21 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:14,360 and we'll come back to it at the work session. 22 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:16,540 - That sounds great, okay, perfect. 23 00:01:16,540 --> 00:01:23,340 Item four B, I'll go ahead and invite Mia up on that one. 24 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:28,120 That was one I believe we did get an email on 25 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,280 that has changed from our original backup. 26 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,080 - Yes, correct. 27 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,520 So this is a final plait for 28 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,200 Razor Ranch Town Center addition, 29 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,120 and essentially they are wanting to establish 30 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:40,740 the easements associated with the development 31 00:01:40,740 --> 00:01:41,800 of the Razor Ranch Town Center. 32 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:43,880 It's located south of West University, 33 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:48,460 just east of I-35 in the Razor Ranch South Campus, 34 00:01:48,460 --> 00:01:50,100 and since the report went out, 35 00:01:50,100 --> 00:01:52,520 staff was able to work to make sure that 36 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:53,860 they satisfied all the right comments, 37 00:01:53,860 --> 00:01:55,400 so we are recommending approval. 38 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:56,240 - Okay, great. 39 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,980 Any questions from the commission on that? 40 00:01:59,980 --> 00:02:01,600 Okay, thanks, Mia. 41 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,200 Four B, no, that was four B, excuse me. 42 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,520 Four C, that was another one that we got an email on, 43 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,220 and I'll let Julie explain that. 44 00:02:10,220 --> 00:02:15,160 - Good evening, Julie Wyatt, 45 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,680 senior planner with the City of Denton. 46 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,780 This is a preliminary plait for the Audreau subdivision. 47 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,960 Staff's original recommendation was for denial. 48 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:26,960 They had two issues that they had to address 49 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:28,440 in order to get to approval. 50 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,300 They have satisfied those comments, 51 00:02:30,300 --> 00:02:33,280 and so staff is now recommending approval of this plait. 52 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:34,680 I'll be happy to answer any questions. 53 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:35,720 - Thanks, Julie. - Thank you. 54 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:36,560 - Any questions? 55 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:41,480 Okay, and if you did not see the email that came out, 56 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,160 four D has been withdrawn, 57 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,020 so we will not be taking action on that today. 58 00:02:46,020 --> 00:02:50,560 That will take us to our public hearings for this evening. 59 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:51,840 Did Sean walk in? 60 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:54,360 There you are, hi. 61 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,760 Do you wanna give a quick synopsis of our first one? 62 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,360 I believe that, yeah. 63 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,180 You are up first, please. 64 00:03:00,180 --> 00:03:15,000 Just make sure I pull this up. 65 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,960 Okay. 66 00:03:22,920 --> 00:03:25,920 All right, good evening, chair and members of the commission. 67 00:03:25,920 --> 00:03:30,920 So this is a request for a zoning change 68 00:03:30,920 --> 00:03:34,640 from mixed-use residential to light industrial zoning. 69 00:03:34,640 --> 00:03:37,240 This is out on properties located 70 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:42,240 between Barthol Road and FM 1173, about 53 acres there. 71 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,840 It is mostly undeveloped, one single-family lot 72 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:47,860 and one-plugged gas station. 73 00:03:47,860 --> 00:03:49,200 It's a three-story building, 74 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:53,400 undeveloped, one single-family lot and one-plugged gas well. 75 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,360 The applicant's proposed use is industrial, of course. 76 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,200 Any use permitted in the LI Zoning District 77 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,200 would be permitted, and staff is in support 78 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,120 because this does meet our future land use 79 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,400 of light industrial and as well 80 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,040 as our comprehensive plan goals. 81 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:08,280 Happy to answer any questions. 82 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:09,280 - Perfect. 83 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:10,520 Do we have any questions? 84 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,080 Okay, perfect. 85 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,200 Thank you very much. 86 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:21,200 Taking us to 5B, and Angie is here for that one. 87 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,760 Hello. 88 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,960 - Hi, good evening. 89 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:28,240 Get this pulled up. 90 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:37,480 This is a zoning change request Z220014. 91 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,960 The proposed request is for approximately 84.9 acres 92 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,760 of land situated on East McKinney Street. 93 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,360 It has a current zoning of rural residential. 94 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,120 There's some mixed-use neighborhood 95 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,160 as well as some R4 on the subject property. 96 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:53,760 It is predominantly undeveloped 97 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:55,360 on the eastern portion of the property. 98 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,320 There are three detached single-family dwellings. 99 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,560 In the southwest corner of the subject property, 100 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,960 there is some existing FEMA floodplain 101 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,260 as well as a 50-foot wide Atmos gas easement. 102 00:05:06,260 --> 00:05:10,680 The proposed zoning district for this project is R6 103 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:12,480 to facilitate the development 104 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,960 of a single-family residential neighborhood. 105 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:19,320 Staff is recommending approval of this request. 106 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,360 It is consistent with the future land use designation 107 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,400 of low residential and complies 108 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,800 with our approval criteria in subchapter two. 109 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,520 - Great, thank you, Angie. 110 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:30,880 Questions on this one? 111 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:37,400 Okay, thank you very much. 112 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:42,400 With regard to 5C, that item is needing to be postponed. 113 00:05:42,840 --> 00:05:44,240 We are gonna open the public hearing. 114 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:45,840 It's not going to be re-noticed. 115 00:05:45,840 --> 00:05:48,560 The signs have been placed on the property already. 116 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,840 So I will open the public hearing, leave it open, 117 00:05:50,840 --> 00:05:53,320 and then we'll, for a motion to postpone it 118 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,120 to a date certain of October 26th. 119 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,120 Okay, any questions with regard to that? 120 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,520 Okay, okay, awesome. 121 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,120 Then that takes us through our agenda. 122 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,840 We'll get into our work session reports. 123 00:06:05,840 --> 00:06:10,280 3A, PZ 22, 232. 124 00:06:10,280 --> 00:06:12,600 We're gonna receive a report and hold a discussion 125 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,040 on our updates of our criteria manuals. 126 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,580 I'm not sure who is going first on this. 127 00:06:18,580 --> 00:06:21,960 Good afternoon. 128 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:22,880 - Good afternoon. 129 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:29,560 So thank you everybody for letting me come here 130 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,800 and speak to you about the criteria manuals. 131 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:32,880 My name is Brett Bourgeois. 132 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:34,240 I am the Deputy City Engineer 133 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,920 in the Capital Projects and Engineering Department. 134 00:06:37,840 --> 00:06:40,440 And so we're gonna talk about the criteria manuals 135 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:41,480 that we have. 136 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,320 We go through an update process. 137 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,480 We're gonna lay out what our public outreach plan is, 138 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,240 including this meeting, what our background was 139 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,360 in terms of having to develop these criteria manuals 140 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:51,560 and make edits to them. 141 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,680 Walk through some highlight revisions 142 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,840 to each criteria manual, then lay out our next steps. 143 00:06:57,840 --> 00:07:00,480 In addition to myself, we brought various experts 144 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,280 from different departments to answer any questions 145 00:07:02,280 --> 00:07:03,480 that you may have. 146 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,080 So as you can see, we have a pretty extensive 147 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,360 public outreach plan laid out. 148 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,080 Starting tonight, we're gonna do 149 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:12,880 the Planning and Zoning Commission. 150 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:14,920 Tomorrow, we'll do Developer Town Hall. 151 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,360 Then we publish the manuals online on Friday 152 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:19,400 for public comment. 153 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,480 So we're, various meetings going to all the boards 154 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,720 and commissions before we go to the city council 155 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:26,920 in December and hold a public hearing 156 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,480 and go for adoption to take effect on January 1st. 157 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:34,440 So a little bit of background. 158 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,120 The criteria manuals went for several years 159 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:37,440 while being updated. 160 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,320 Last year, they did a revision, an update to them 161 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,600 that was led by, I believe, Becky and Scott McDonald 162 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,160 and some other folks. 163 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:45,680 One of the tasks we want to do 164 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,160 is make periodic updates throughout every year. 165 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:49,960 We do annual updates on it. 166 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,640 And so to do that process, we kicked off 167 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,760 in about April, weekly meetings. 168 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,000 We held meetings every Thursday from 10 a.m. 169 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,000 until 12 p.m., so a two-hour block in the morning. 170 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,600 We got all departments represented in the meeting. 171 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,680 Went through every manual, every criteria manual, 172 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,640 every detail on it. 173 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,000 Spent several weeks on each manual, 174 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,720 so we went in pretty good depth on them. 175 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,840 And so that was done over the course of the spring. 176 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:15,080 The summertime, we actually went through 177 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:16,960 and made those edits and updates. 178 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:18,840 And now we're starting here with our public outreach 179 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:20,480 and to present what we're doing 180 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,840 in terms of modifications to that. 181 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,880 Again, we're here to get public comments 182 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:27,840 and go that direction in addition to posting 183 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,560 on the website for comment to the public. 184 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,680 We're also gonna publish and post in the newspaper 185 00:08:32,680 --> 00:08:34,320 that we are updating the criteria manuals 186 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,880 to get additional comments from the public. 187 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:39,960 And then one of the things that we noticed 188 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:41,960 in terms of going through the criteria manual updates 189 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,600 is that we had various different formats. 190 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:45,960 We had different styles. 191 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,240 We had conflict of information across the criteria manuals. 192 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:50,840 We had information repeated. 193 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,400 So one of our goals is to eventually 194 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:54,880 combine these into one document, 195 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,720 just like how we had the development code, 196 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,520 where it's one document for all developers to use 197 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,720 with different chapters for every subject that we're going on. 198 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:04,960 So that's one of our goals towards next year 199 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,480 is to simplify this, make it more coherent 200 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,480 and a little bit easier for everybody to use. 201 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,360 So a little bit of highlight 202 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,520 in terms of what the criteria manuals are. 203 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,520 The Denton Development Code 204 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,560 is our policy and procedure documents. 205 00:09:19,560 --> 00:09:22,560 It lays out the guiding principles that the city wants. 206 00:09:22,560 --> 00:09:23,920 It goes through the procedure 207 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:25,360 so everybody develops the same way 208 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,160 and everything gets done the same way. 209 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,120 The criteria manuals are really the design details 210 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,880 and technical information on how to actually achieve 211 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,760 those developmental goals. 212 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:37,840 In addition to that, we have the standard specifications 213 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,240 and standard details that get even more into the minutia 214 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,920 in terms of this is how you actually build these connections, 215 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,120 build these roadways, the details of how they're laid out. 216 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,080 So we have different levels of documents. 217 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:51,680 And you can kind of see how we have it laid out 218 00:09:51,680 --> 00:09:55,880 where the Denton Development Code provides the guidance. 219 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:57,320 The design, the criteria manuals 220 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,120 give us the technical details. 221 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,440 The specifications tell us how it's supposed to be built 222 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,240 and the standard details show us 223 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,480 how it actually gets implemented. 224 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:10,360 So in terms of the Solid Waste Criteria Manual, 225 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,600 last year they did a full rewrite of their manual. 226 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:17,200 So the previous revisions was in 2008, I believe. 227 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,520 So they basically did a full rewrite of it last year. 228 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,000 So this year was actually our shortest meeting on it. 229 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,640 They think they had two comments, 230 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,360 said we wrote it last year, we're very happy with it. 231 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,080 Let's make a couple of clarifications. 232 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:29,880 One of the clarifications was, 233 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,360 hey, we had a paragraph previously that stated 234 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,160 the city was the sole provider of solid waste 235 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,320 and recycling services within the city. 236 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,520 We removed that and now we're getting questions on that. 237 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,160 Let's put that back in to solidify that. 238 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,880 We provide all this recycling and solid waste services, 239 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:45,960 even during construction. 240 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,320 So we added that back into the criteria manual 241 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,040 to clarify that. 242 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,920 Another thing was that they wanted to add a single enclosure 243 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,720 to the end as an option, 244 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,200 they wanted to add a single enclosure in addition to a 245 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,640 roll-off compacted enclosure for multi-family developments. 246 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:03,760 Gives more flexibility for the developments 247 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:05,080 that they've noticed. 248 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,560 And we've also reduced the alleyway minimum width, 249 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:11,640 paved section down to 15 feet from 20 feet. 250 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,720 That's consistent with other jurisdictions. 251 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,520 It's also consistent with our mobility plan 252 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,520 and our transportation criteria. 253 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,440 So we kind of had this gap in there that we solidified 254 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,000 all the information across different manuals. 255 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,000 For the stormwater criteria manual, we went through it. 256 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,720 We noticed that there are several definitions and terms 257 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,200 throughout the document that were not defined 258 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:35,640 and were causing some confusion. 259 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,000 So we went through and defined all those terms properly 260 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,440 throughout the definitions portion of the document. 261 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:45,200 We also went through and we noticed that all development, 262 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,360 all projects had to be designed to what's called 263 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:48,600 the flood mitigation event, 264 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,720 which is essentially the 100 year flood storm. 265 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,000 Where we were doing project either internally 266 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:58,640 or in downtown urban areas, it became so cost prohibitive 267 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,560 and restrictive in terms of developing those projects 268 00:12:01,560 --> 00:12:04,560 that the stormwater aspect made it impossible 269 00:12:04,560 --> 00:12:06,080 to actually get any work done. 270 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:07,600 So we talked about it and we realized, 271 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,400 hey, any incremental upgrade is better than no upgrade. 272 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,480 And so we allowed some language in there 273 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,080 for replacement of existing structures 274 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:17,880 or modification of existing structures. 275 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,560 We can allow for a smaller improvement 276 00:12:20,560 --> 00:12:22,080 with the permission of the city engineer 277 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:23,120 and engineering department. 278 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,160 So it gives us some flexibility 279 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:26,960 to allow for redevelopment downtown. 280 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,480 It gives us some flexibility for our own internal projects 281 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,960 and streets to offer smaller improvements 282 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,080 that are still getting us a better product 283 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:36,720 instead of having this massive improvement 284 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:38,600 that makes the projects unattainable 285 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:39,960 and impossible to complete. 286 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,960 And one of the things we also found 287 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,040 is that our standard specifications restrict us 288 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,240 from using corrugated metal pipe culverts and driveways. 289 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,200 However, that was still added in our criteria manual. 290 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:52,600 So we struck that from there as well. 291 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,240 So that way we're consistent with our standard practice 292 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:56,560 across all documents. 293 00:12:56,560 --> 00:13:01,520 So as you're probably all aware 294 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:05,400 is that we adopted the mobility plan in March of this year. 295 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:06,360 And so as part of that, 296 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,760 we define all the roadway cross-sections, 297 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:10,280 roadway requirements. 298 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,120 And so we updated the geometric standards 299 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,920 of our transportation and our transportation criteria manual 300 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:16,880 to match the mobility plan 301 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,840 in terms of road sections with the lane characteristics. 302 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:22,440 We also added turn lane warrants. 303 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,320 So when we have one installed turn lanes, 304 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,440 we had no defined procedure for this to work. 305 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:31,880 And so we lined out the procedure, the warrant counts. 306 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:33,160 How do we make it standardized 307 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:34,120 so that way we can define 308 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:35,800 how big the turn lanes are supposed to be, 309 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:37,120 how long they're supposed to be, 310 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,920 and if that roadway actually needs a turn in that location. 311 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,400 We also updated our on-street parking standards. 312 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,760 We were already designing them 313 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:51,120 to ADA and PROAG requirements, but it wasn't clear. 314 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,360 And so we just added that we're following 315 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,960 the ADA and PROAG standards. 316 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,760 We updated the cross-sections, the details for those, 317 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,560 the width, the access points, all those types of things. 318 00:14:02,560 --> 00:14:07,360 We also added as part of our safety push within the city, 319 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,560 vision zero and mobility plan, other things. 320 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:12,240 We've added safety assessment 321 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,440 as part of our traffic impact analysis. 322 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,760 So not only do they have to look at the trip generation, 323 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,160 the amount of turns, intersections are being impacted, 324 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:21,920 but also look at it from a safety standpoint 325 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,000 to make sure that we are accommodating 326 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,720 safe intersections, safe access. 327 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:27,840 - Brian, can I ask you a question on that? 328 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:28,680 - Yes, go ahead. 329 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,040 - So with regard to a safety assessment, 330 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,960 I mean, are you giving them things to look for? 331 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,440 I mean, how is that gonna be determined? 332 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,680 - Yeah, so we lay out actually things for them to consider 333 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,600 and to revise and to look at and provide comments on 334 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,240 in terms of how is the safe conditions done. 335 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:46,880 And the pre-term actually has more information. 336 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:48,800 He can respond to that in more detail. 337 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,960 (clears throat) 338 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,840 - Good afternoon, Preetam Deshmukh, transportation planning. 339 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,960 Yeah, I think just to give you a quick example 340 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,440 of understanding, there are a lot of rural roadways 341 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,880 with rural cross-section with two lanes. 342 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,520 And typically when a development comes in, 343 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,960 not necessarily every TIA triggers 344 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,280 an introduction of a left turn lane. 345 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,920 So what we're doing is with the safety assessment, 346 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,840 making sure that a left turn lane is provided, 347 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,840 getting the turning vehicles out of the travel lane 348 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,960 so that that makes a safer bay 349 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,200 or a stacking area for the vehicle to stand 350 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,520 until they can safely make the left. 351 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,240 And that is just one example, 352 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,600 but there are several examples that are in there 353 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,400 that we can assess as part of the safety 354 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:40,400 and not necessarily rely on the TIA results. 355 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:44,920 - So the safety assessment is gonna be different 356 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,080 for each project then? 357 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:48,880 - It may be a project specific, 358 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,000 just depending on the access where they are 359 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,160 and depending on how they connect. 360 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,280 If a school is nearby that would trigger 361 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,120 some other requirements for that particular project, 362 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,440 but yes, it would be project specific. 363 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:04,360 It would also be more defined in the scoping 364 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,440 when we're talking to developers for the TIA. 365 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:08,800 - That you would drill down exactly 366 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:10,520 what they're gonna have to measure and whatnot. 367 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,760 Okay, then I had another question you probably can answer. 368 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:15,640 'Cause as I was reading through that, 369 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:20,160 it said the area will be looked at 370 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,480 in the vicinity of the project site. 371 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,640 That seems really vague. 372 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:26,600 So again, are we dealing because 373 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,800 we're dealing with each project individually, 374 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:30,600 but when you just say vicinity, 375 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:31,480 I mean, what does that mean? 376 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,720 Like a couple of blocks, a quarter mile, 377 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:35,920 but what does that mean? 378 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:36,760 - Yeah, it's funny. 379 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:38,800 This question was just raised earlier today. 380 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:40,120 (laughing) 381 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:44,280 So we have a list of pointers there. 382 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,440 Typically projects we're looking at a two mile radius 383 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,440 and any arterial to arterial or arterial collector 384 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,840 intersections that are either signalized 385 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,320 or even some of them are stop control 386 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,520 because some of them are rural cross-sections, 387 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,680 but we're looking at all of those intersections 388 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:02,600 in the vicinity. 389 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:04,040 And if a project is larger, 390 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,160 if you have more than 500-peak hour trips, 391 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:07,720 then we may expand the area 392 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:09,600 to look at the nearest freeway connections, 393 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:11,920 nearest highway connections, and so on and so forth. 394 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:13,680 But typically it's within the two mile radius. 395 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:15,200 - So you would let them know 396 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:16,880 what vicinity means at that point 397 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:18,680 so there's not, like they don't bring you a report 398 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,880 and you say, oh, sorry, you didn't go far enough, but. 399 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,720 - No, there is a process that we go through. 400 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:25,840 There is a TIA scoping meeting 401 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,160 and we clearly define that this is what we request from you 402 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:30,800 and at that meeting we point out 403 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:32,080 if the area is not enough, 404 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,000 we think that they need to extend 405 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,280 or there's special intersections 406 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,920 that are just outside the border of the vicinity, 407 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:40,080 we ask them to include that 408 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:41,240 because they're more congested 409 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,240 and we need to know what the impacts would be. 410 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,360 So yes, it's more of a, 411 00:17:45,360 --> 00:17:48,120 at the starting point we define exactly what we want. 412 00:17:48,120 --> 00:17:49,320 - Perfect, that's what I wanted to know. 413 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:50,800 Thank you very much. - Thank you. 414 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:58,240 - Then we also, as part of our complete streets, 415 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:00,720 we included pedestrian traffic impacts. 416 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:01,880 So in addition to roadways, 417 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:03,760 we wanna look at the pedestrian mobility 418 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:05,800 and how they can get around in terms of, 419 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:10,280 from feature to feature in bike ped and sidewalks as well. 420 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,120 So we included some more of that, 421 00:18:12,120 --> 00:18:14,240 that inclusion to the TIA process. 422 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:18,280 So for water and wastewater criteria manuals, 423 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,680 we updated, we clarified the requirements 424 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,040 for metering for multifamilies. 425 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,080 And so there's discussion about, 426 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:27,360 do we have one master meter 427 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:29,320 and then the property owners have to sub meter 428 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,360 for every dwelling below that? 429 00:18:32,360 --> 00:18:35,560 Or do we have a meter for every dwelling? 430 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,280 So we clarified some of that and cleaned that up a little bit. 431 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,560 I believe we're going with the one meter 432 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,760 and sub metering them by the property owner. 433 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,480 One of the things that we did not have 434 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,760 was any discussion on backflow prevention. 435 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:48,920 That's a requirement in the city, 436 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:50,440 it's a requirement in the state, 437 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,800 but we had nowhere defining and discussing 438 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,600 what the requirements for backflow prevention 439 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:56,720 was in the city. 440 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,480 So we added the whole section discussing that area. 441 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,160 We had a table in the document 442 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:03,480 where we're having a lot of conflict 443 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,680 in terms of how utilities cross each other, 444 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:09,680 whether it's gas lines crossing water lines or sewer lines 445 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:11,520 and storm drains crossing. 446 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,280 We had a table that was a little bit unclear. 447 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,320 We went through, we looked at it. 448 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,120 We refined that table, redefined some of the terms on it, 449 00:19:18,120 --> 00:19:20,760 changed some of the requirements to make it easier to use 450 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,480 and better and more clear for everybody 451 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,880 in terms of the crews installing the work. 452 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:26,800 And we also added a discussion on grease traps 453 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,480 and grit traps, which is kind of a weird topic 454 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,040 to have in the water or wastewater criteria manual 455 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:37,320 as it's like food processing and restaurants. 456 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,040 But the problem was that it's not defined 457 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,640 or discussed anywhere else within the city code. 458 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,960 And it belongs in here because anything that overflows 459 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,720 from that goes into the wastewater system. 460 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,840 And so we had to have a discussion of it. 461 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,720 And so we added it to this document 462 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,880 to codify the requirements of that for the city 463 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,920 as part of the overall development 464 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:58,280 and the code requirements. 465 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:03,040 And so for our next steps, as I discussed previously, 466 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:04,920 we're having the Developer Town Hall tomorrow. 467 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,680 We're gonna run through this similar presentation, 468 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,040 giving all the developers an opportunity 469 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,480 to seek the information and provide comments and questions. 470 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,200 The criteria manuals will be posted online on Friday 471 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,880 as a draft for everybody to review and comment on it. 472 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:19,800 And then we'll be in the process of gathering information, 473 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:21,200 comments and feedback. 474 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,000 And then we'll be making updates and revisions 475 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,160 prior to going to city council in December. 476 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:29,600 And again, here's our schedule of all the planned meetings 477 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,000 and major milestones. 478 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,280 We have several presentations and meetings to do, 479 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,280 both to the city boards and commissions, 480 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,480 to outside agencies, to the Developer Town Hall, 481 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,720 to Engineering Society, publishing it online, 482 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,040 or publishing it in the newspaper, 483 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,680 and then going to city council for adoption 484 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,720 and effective in January. 485 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,880 And we're here for any questions you may have. 486 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,680 - As you're collecting feedback, 487 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,400 where is that feedback going? 488 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,680 Perhaps if a commissioner tonight comes up with something, 489 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,520 oh, where should they submit that? 490 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,160 - So on the website, we'll have a link to a form 491 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,160 that you fill out and the form will get populated 492 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:12,840 and put into a data collection process from behind scenes 493 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,160 and get notified to us. 494 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,880 - So it'll just go right through the online form? 495 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,480 - Exactly. - Okay, awesome, great. 496 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:20,880 Questions for Brad? 497 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,600 - Commissioner Perot. 498 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:25,720 - Thank you, Chair. 499 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,200 First of all, outstanding job. 500 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:31,720 I think last year we were short staffed 501 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,160 and we were running as hard as we could 502 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:34,800 to get to this thing in December. 503 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,400 And we got it through by February, I think. 504 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,320 And this year it really seems like it's a well-oiled machine. 505 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,440 So the hard work shows. 506 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:44,920 So thank you. 507 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,040 It's just in really good shape. 508 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,040 Just one question. 509 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,960 Well, we have several people in the room. 510 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,920 I think a couple months ago we had a work session on parking 511 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,160 and there was a slide on bicycle parking. 512 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:01,760 And that reminded me that in the past 513 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,960 we've had certain guidelines of types of bicycle 514 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:09,320 parking facilities that are allowed or encouraged 515 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:10,320 and that sort of thing. 516 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,240 Was there any discussion in the staff meetings 517 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,400 with our bicycle and pedestrian ADA coordinator 518 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:20,720 about what we should aspire to 519 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,120 and whether this is the right place 520 00:22:23,120 --> 00:22:24,280 to make those amendments 521 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,760 or if there's some other document to make sure 522 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,080 that we're getting the right 523 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,520 or the intended type of bicycle parking? 524 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,360 - Yeah, so we actually did discuss that a little bit. 525 00:22:32,360 --> 00:22:36,160 And part of the problem is that we have public right-of-way. 526 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,800 And so the right-of-way we have that's off of the streets 527 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,720 are used for sidewalks. 528 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,840 And we have to have ADA compliant sidewalks and facilities. 529 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,840 So we can't put bicycle parking 530 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,840 impeding the ADA travel lanes. 531 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,800 And so most of the bicycle parking that we're noticing 532 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,680 is gonna have to be on private property 533 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,360 outside the public right-of-way. 534 00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:58,280 So it's not really something that we can incorporate 535 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,160 necessarily into our criteria for the city improvements. 536 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:03,480 One of the things that we did discuss 537 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:04,840 was motorcycle parking. 538 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,280 We had quite a few comments about that. 539 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,320 And so we did include a basic detail 540 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:10,440 for motorcycle parking. 541 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,280 Essentially, it's half of the parking spaces. 542 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,800 We looked it up and did some research online. 543 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,320 We have a note on the table saying that motorcycle parking 544 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,000 is one half of a traditional parking space. 545 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,640 - Okay, yeah, I think the specific thing 546 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,480 that I was thinking about is, 547 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,440 I mean, a lot of projects around town, even city projects 548 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,640 and parks projects have seen a lot of those sort of, 549 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,720 for lack of a better term, wave racks, right? 550 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,440 Where it's a squarely snake 551 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,880 with two positions on either side. 552 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,920 And the document that we refer to for general guidelines 553 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,280 and resources kind of dissuades against that style. 554 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,000 But there's nothing that requires a particular style 555 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,200 or two points of contact. 556 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,040 So just something to think about. 557 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,800 I don't know if Steph has any more thoughts on that. 558 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,280 - Yeah, we'll definitely take note of it 559 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:57,240 and look into it. 560 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:58,080 - Thank you. 561 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,880 - Anyone else? 562 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,000 Okay. 563 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:05,840 - Thank you. 564 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,200 - Outstanding, thank you so much. 565 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:14,280 That will take us to 3B on our work session agenda. 566 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,320 And Haley, are you handling that or is there a, 567 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,440 Sean is handling that very good. 568 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,440 - Good evening. 569 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:28,280 - Good evening. 570 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,400 - It is once again, calendar time. 571 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:35,400 And I can pull that up here. 572 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,400 Basically, we've put together once again, 573 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,720 a draft calendar following the pattern we've been on, 574 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:42,560 which seems to be working, 575 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,200 which is that second and fourth Wednesday. 576 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,200 So staying away from the city council dates. 577 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,040 We would have again, two dates in every month, 578 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,280 except for those where we're trying to provide some time 579 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,400 for holidays, which would be July, November, and December. 580 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,960 Otherwise, we would stick to that second and fourth. 581 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,920 And we have checked to make sure that there is no more 582 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,520 than 30 days between any dates that we're staying 583 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,240 within the rules of the shot clock, 584 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,560 but to have it answer any questions or concerns. 585 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,280 And I'm also happy to zoom in if that would be helpful. 586 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:20,920 - Anybody have questions on the dates? 587 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,840 I know that I saw that spring break has been accounted for, 588 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:29,640 so there will not be a meeting on spring break week. 589 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:35,480 Any questions, concerns, problems? 590 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,360 Okay, outstanding. 591 00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:39,200 - Thank you. 592 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,800 - And we'll have an agenda item, I think, on this too. 593 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:42,640 - Yes. 594 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:43,460 - That's right. 595 00:25:43,460 --> 00:25:44,300 - Yes, we'll have an ICI. 596 00:25:44,300 --> 00:25:45,140 - On a regular meeting. 597 00:25:45,140 --> 00:25:45,960 Okay, awesome. 598 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:46,800 Thank you, Sean. 599 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:52,240 Okay, our next topic is 3C. 600 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:53,880 Receive a report, hold a discussion 601 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,320 regarding transportation topics. 602 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:00,200 And look who's back to talk about 603 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,400 transportation topics, Howard. 604 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:03,640 - Good afternoon again. 605 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,200 Chair, members of the commission. 606 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,120 Pretend they smoke, transportation planning. 607 00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:16,280 And let me pull up the, all right. 608 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,800 So as you can see, this is a tech team effort. 609 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,800 Karina was going to do the whole thing, 610 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:26,800 but she is, she has an infection issue with the voice. 611 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,240 (laughing) 612 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:37,200 All right, let's start the boot camp. 613 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:42,840 She'll be covering the last couple slides, 614 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:47,440 but now that we've all left, let's get started. 615 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,760 The day we open up the partitions, 616 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,720 that's when we talk about infection. 617 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,960 (laughing) 618 00:26:53,960 --> 00:27:01,080 So just a quick overview of this particular boot camp topic. 619 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,640 It is TIA. 620 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,480 What exactly is TIA, traffic impact analysis? 621 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,560 The purpose behind it, we'll go through the components, 622 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,960 what's included in the study and analysis. 623 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,120 Then we'll talk about how do TIA relate 624 00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:19,400 to the development review and the different applications 625 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,680 that come in and when we require them 626 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,320 and what format they're presented. 627 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,400 And then last but not least, we'll have the helpful links 628 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,120 to go to when we wanna look at the criteria 629 00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:33,280 needed for the TIA. 630 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:34,800 So what is a TIA? 631 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,920 It is, as the name suggests, the traffic impact analysis. 632 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:42,360 We're actually determining impact for any new 633 00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:46,280 or added traffic coming out of a proposed development 634 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,040 on the transportation system. 635 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,000 So the city has a network, a street, 636 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,640 and we just wanna make sure that before, 637 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:57,040 sorry about that, before we move forward 638 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,520 with the approval process of a development project, 639 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:01,760 what kind of impacts does it have? 640 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,920 Does it negatively impact our system here? 641 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:10,040 So next step is the purpose, understanding the purpose. 642 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,680 There are three main purposes here 643 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,120 if you focus on this side of the street. 644 00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:17,440 First, it's first and foremost, 645 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,720 we're protecting our infrastructure. 646 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,840 We're protecting our transportation infrastructure. 647 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,960 It's billions of dollars to install it 648 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,880 and we're making sure that any new development 649 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,640 does not come in and negatively impact 650 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:31,960 our existing infrastructure. 651 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,400 So that's the first and foremost purpose of a TIA. 652 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,720 The second important thing is we're making sure 653 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:42,120 that we are providing possible mitigation measures. 654 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,480 And when I say possible, I wanna emphasize that word. 655 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,640 Making sure that when a development comes in, 656 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:53,320 it proportionally contributes to fixing some of the issues 657 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,200 that are created due to the new added traffic. 658 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:02,200 So in certain cases, the impacts or the congestion 659 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:07,600 already exist, so we cannot require the developer 660 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,520 to come in and fix those existing issues. 661 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,800 So that's what the word possible means. 662 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,680 So whenever a TIA, when we go through the process, 663 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,440 we identify the mitigation measures. 664 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,080 Not necessarily the entire mitigation measure 665 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,280 is proportional to the development. 666 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,360 So it's not necessarily that that developer is, 667 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,640 or the applicant is paying for the entire mitigation. 668 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,920 There could be a piece of it that's required. 669 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,240 So that's really important to keep in mind. 670 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,200 But when we talk about mitigation measures, 671 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,000 we help identify all the negative impacts 672 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,320 and provide that information to elected officials, 673 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,080 to appointed elected officials, 674 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,720 and then staff itself to make those informed decisions. 675 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,640 So when a new development is coming, 676 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,880 we wanna make sure that all the decisions that are made 677 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,800 are informed, and that's what the TIA does 678 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,000 as far as the traffic impacts are concerned. 679 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,200 And last but not least, there are several goals in the TIA. 680 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,560 When we're adding new traffic, 681 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:12,080 we wanna make sure that the system itself, 682 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,000 it's safe and efficient to travel on the roadways. 683 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,120 That's why we added that safety area, 684 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,160 or the safety section in the criteria manual, 685 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,440 make sure that our system remains safe and efficient. 686 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,720 We also wanna make sure that there are minimal 687 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,080 delay increases. 688 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,040 We know that there are delays on our intersections, 689 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,200 there is congestion on our roadways. 690 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,200 We wanna make sure that the new development 691 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,760 that's adding traffic is not increasing it to a point 692 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,400 where it starts failing, it starts congestion. 693 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,240 So we wanna make sure that that piece is mitigated. 694 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,720 And then also help identify, prevent crashes first, 695 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,960 and then help identify some cross-connections, axes, 696 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,160 but at the same time, making sure that there is no, 697 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:57,760 there is minimum cut through traffic. 698 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:02,760 So we wanna develop projects and make sure that we plan it 699 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,960 such that there is no cut through involved, 700 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,800 there is no increase in cut through traffic for existing, 701 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,640 as well as future subdivisions or areas 702 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,120 within the development itself. 703 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,080 So those are the main focus areas 704 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,800 as to why we require a TIA. 705 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,080 When do we need it? 706 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,200 There are clear guidelines. 707 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,040 If you focus on this table at the bottom, 708 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,600 it is in our transportation criteria manual. 709 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,160 It clearly defines when and what type of TIA, 710 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,880 how much in tents, and what all material will be required 711 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,920 that the city needs. 712 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,240 And just to summarize it on the left, 713 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,200 we are looking at developments 714 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,120 that are adding more than 100 peak hour trips 715 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,040 or 1,000 daily trips to the system. 716 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,600 So we want to make sure that those developments are analyzed. 717 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,120 We wanna make sure that we look at everything 718 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,120 in the vicinity, in the surrounding area, 719 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,120 and that as far as the impacts, 720 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,360 any large developments that are coming are in. 721 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,200 So any development that's more than 100 acres, 722 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,560 we wanna make sure that are we even prepared already 723 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,800 as far as transportation infrastructure is concerned 724 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,760 to serve that type of development and community. 725 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,400 So that's the second piece. 726 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,200 And then any other changes or alterations, 727 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,960 if we're talking about zoning changes, intensifying uses, 728 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,040 any of those changes, 729 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,960 or even mobility plan alterations and changes, 730 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,640 any changes in our master plans, 731 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:31,480 we wanna make sure that that also requires a TIA. 732 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:32,680 And last but not least, 733 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,600 when we're connecting our access points, 734 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,680 if we're connected to an existing congestion, 735 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,120 congested roadway, 736 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,560 or even if we're connecting to a text out roadway, 737 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,440 we wanna make sure that we identify the impacts, 738 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,640 make sure that we know exactly what's happening 739 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,320 when the traffic is added, 740 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,600 new development comes in and traffic is added to the system. 741 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,440 So those are the times when we would require a TIA 742 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:56,880 for a new development. 743 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,000 What are the components? 744 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,600 If you follow the bottom line, 745 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,240 it's fairly straightforward. 746 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:07,280 At first, we start with identifying that area, study area, 747 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,640 which is approximately two miles 748 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:14,000 in the vicinity of the project itself. 749 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,680 Then we identify what the existing development is 750 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,520 and the characteristics of the site itself. 751 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,400 We wanna make sure we also look at our mobility plan. 752 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:25,560 Are there any collectors? 753 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:26,840 Are there any arterials 754 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,120 going through that particular project area? 755 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,880 And then also we wanna make sure that 756 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,520 if there are any planned CIP or capital improvements, 757 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,040 any corridor projects going through that area, 758 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,040 we look at all of those aspects 759 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,640 and make sure that that's all included in the TIA. 760 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,120 And then we study the existing conditions, 761 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,520 what's out there, traffic counts, everything. 762 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,440 Then we study the future conditions 763 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,960 based on how many ever trips 764 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,560 that are being generated for the project. 765 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,520 So, and then based on the future condition, 766 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,200 we assess the level of service, 767 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,440 which is if we are delaying someone 768 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,960 at an intersection more longer than it currently is, 769 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,880 then how do we identify the proposed mitigation measures 770 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:14,880 to mitigate the impacts of the proposed development? 771 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,480 Now I wanna turn it over to Karina. 772 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:24,520 - Just kidding. 773 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,640 Just to clarify, I lost my voice. 774 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,440 That's why he did the presentation. 775 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,200 All right, I know we're a joking group. 776 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,400 We like to joke around. 777 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,280 So pre-time gave you a good amount of information 778 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,240 related to the TIA and what goes in it. 779 00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:44,400 So how does this impact our current development review? 780 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,160 And I think this is kind of the meat and bones 781 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,840 of why it's important to PNZ. 782 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,920 So as pre-time mentioned, there's certain thresholds 783 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,920 that come into play that trigger a TIA. 784 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,840 So this is when a TIA is warranted. 785 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,960 When a development comes in and a TIA is warranted, 786 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:06,880 they're typically approved and prepared concurrently 787 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,040 with the following development applications. 788 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,000 So a preliminary plot, a zoning compliance plan, 789 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,040 which is our site plans, 790 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,800 plan developments and specific use permits. 791 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,200 Now the Planning and Zoning Commission 792 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,040 doesn't see all of these applications, 793 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,800 most of them, of course. 794 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,280 But the zoning compliance plans, 795 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,800 those are administratively approved. 796 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,600 So when it only needs, or when it comes in 797 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,040 versus the zoning compliance plan, 798 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,840 that's our non-residential projects, 799 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,800 you won't typically see that 800 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,120 with the exception of RACER Ranch if that's triggered. 801 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,120 So the first application that comes in 802 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,320 would be your preliminary plot. 803 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,320 So at that point, the TIA, again, if warranted, 804 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,080 is going through the process with staff. 805 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:55,320 If there's any mitigation measures 806 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,800 that are identified in the recommendations from a TIA, 807 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,560 those are incorporated within the zoning compliance plan 808 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:03,920 and preliminary plot. 809 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,080 So you won't see those plans come in 810 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:08,840 without those mitigation measures. 811 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,360 Those would be the responsibility of staff to identify 812 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,720 and make sure that they're in there. 813 00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:17,000 Again, they're not required, 814 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,120 but when they're proposed, 815 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,840 staff does make the determination 816 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,920 what would be appropriate for the area. 817 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,600 And then, of course, when those zoning cases, 818 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,840 the plan developments, specific use permits, 819 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,080 when those applications come in for public hearing, 820 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:32,840 that's typically where the questions come in 821 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,400 from PNZ and council. 822 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,920 What was done for congestion on this project? 823 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,040 What are the mitigation measures that we're requiring here? 824 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,880 So if PNZ has a concern, if city council has a concern, 825 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,240 we will look at the TIA and see what it recommended 826 00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:50,160 and make sure that we're balancing that with, you know, 827 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:54,440 those requirements, as well as any concerns 828 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,680 that our elected officials and appointed officials have. 829 00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,320 I'm not sure if I saw a question. 830 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,520 Okay, good. 831 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:09,080 So as I mentioned, the TIAs are required on a case by case. 832 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,240 Well, I did not mention this, 833 00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:13,080 but other applications that you might see it on, 834 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,600 these come in on a case by case basis. 835 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,560 So that would be your zoning, 836 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:18,960 comprehensive plan amendments, 837 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,520 and mobility plan amendments. 838 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,160 So zoning is the application type 839 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,200 that you will typically not see a TIA 840 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,520 unless it hits that threshold of, 841 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,560 okay, this is 100 acres, this is 200 acres, 842 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,040 or an applicant is requesting to rezone 843 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,760 from rural residential all the way to LI, 844 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,520 and it does not meet the future land use map. 845 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,760 So those are some instances where staff will come in 846 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,080 and say, hey, we do need a TIA for this area. 847 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,560 What you're proposing may have potential impacts 848 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,120 on the system, especially if it's out on the fringe, 849 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:54,160 the city fringe. 850 00:37:54,160 --> 00:38:00,000 This is when we'll request that analysis to be done. 851 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,800 So as I mentioned, some considerations, 852 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,280 and before I jump into that, 853 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,520 I did put some screenshots for you 854 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,280 of a recent project that came in. 855 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,160 This is at the corner of Loop 288 and University. 856 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,560 It was a plan development before, 857 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,120 and then the applicant came in and requested 858 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,520 to rezone to three different zoning districts, 859 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,640 which would be general office, 860 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,560 mixed-use neighborhood, and light industrial. 861 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,880 So when that zoning case came in, 862 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,560 we did request the TIA. 863 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:33,320 Within that TIA, recommendations were proposed, 864 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,920 and it was presented by the planner on the case 865 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:40,280 as it relates to the criteria for approval for zoning. 866 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,280 So going into that last bit, 867 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,760 some considerations when we do require TIAs 868 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,280 with these applications. 869 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,120 Again, it has to be related to a substantial change 870 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,400 in the future land use designation, 871 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,140 the residential to industrial, 872 00:38:54,140 --> 00:38:58,000 substantial changes to a zoning district. 873 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,080 So we won't typically require a TIA 874 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,960 for R1 to R2, as an example, 875 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,560 but if it was R1 to MN or MR, 876 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:10,240 that might be a case if a conceptual plan is provided. 877 00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:12,240 That's another kind of triggering factor 878 00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:14,360 or something that we consider. 879 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,440 And then last, mobility plan amendments. 880 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:17,800 We don't typically see these, 881 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,640 but I believe in the last year or two, 882 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,920 we did have one come to PNZ and council. 883 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,320 I can't remember off the top of my head which one it was, 884 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,800 but it was on our light industrial side of town. 885 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,400 There was a requested amendment to the mobility plan, 886 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,360 and then at that point, we did request a TIA. 887 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,320 So those are just some examples of how the TIA comes 888 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,280 into play with our development review 889 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:44,280 and how PNZ does kind of evaluate some of these decisions 890 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,040 related to that. 891 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,200 So last, just a couple links for y'all. 892 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,880 Of course, our development code, the comprehensive plan, 893 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,800 which does include the mobility plan as an element, 894 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,200 and then the current transportation criteria manual, 895 00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,400 which outlines thresholds for a TIA 896 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,720 and then what's required within a TIA. 897 00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:05,680 And with that, Preetemar, I can answer any questions. 898 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:06,920 - Go ahead. 899 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,120 - Commissioner Rick Dane. 900 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,320 - Thank you, Madam Chair. 901 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,640 I just have one question on the traffic, 902 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,440 on the only analysis of your traffic. 903 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,920 And I'm gonna use the new apartments coming in at Woodrow. 904 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:25,440 They say that the street is gonna tie into Dutchess. 905 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,960 So I'm looking at, you have Dutchess, 906 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,160 when you try to get onto the loop, 907 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:35,360 there's no traffic light there, 908 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,360 but you have a light maybe 300 yards up 909 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,800 at Shady Oaks and the loop. 910 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,840 And then you have one at McKinney and the loop. 911 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:44,680 What's gonna be done? 912 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,880 You're adding 289 apartments that's gonna tie into Dutchess. 913 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,880 How is that gonna, you're gonna have a big impact right there 914 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,320 'cause you're not gonna be able to turn left 915 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:56,520 to get on the loop. 916 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,920 Is it, would it make any sense to put another light there 917 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:00,840 when you already have one, 918 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,120 maybe two or 300 yards from that site? 919 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,520 - So I wanna make sure we don't get too far off topic. 920 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:13,720 So maybe if, maybe if we can ask a more general question, 921 00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:16,480 like did it trigger a TIA and stick to that 922 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,680 versus a more individualized thing. 923 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,720 I believe, Hilary, is that, okay. 924 00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:26,720 - It's potentially off topic, so if it's there, 925 00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:30,720 - So yeah, in general question, 926 00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:34,040 yes, we typically do include signalization, 927 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,080 identify, it's called signal warrants analysis. 928 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:41,240 So as part of the TIA, we do have the applicant 929 00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:43,840 go through a signal warrant analysis, 930 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,960 particularly when we're tying into TxDOT facilities. 931 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,400 TxDOT does require that we provide that, 932 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,560 and once they go, we have to go through an approval process, 933 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,680 and when they process it, then we have to identify funds 934 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,320 to put the entire signal in there. 935 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:05,040 One of the nuances that does happen is one development 936 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,880 may not, as I mentioned earlier, 937 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,780 may not be responsible for the entire mitigation. 938 00:42:09,780 --> 00:42:13,340 So even though it triggers it, it's not fully responsible. 939 00:42:13,340 --> 00:42:16,060 So at that point, the city has to identify 940 00:42:16,060 --> 00:42:19,680 how do we move forward and implement this mitigation measure 941 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,960 in a reasonable time, even though we're not getting 942 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,000 the full cost recovered from the one particular development. 943 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,560 So yes, there are some challenges, 944 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:33,120 and then we continually work, but the TIA should identify 945 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:34,800 and conduct a signal warrant analysis 946 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,200 in situations like theirs. 947 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:40,200 - Just to generally answer the question 948 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,520 about the Woodrow project, there was a TIA submitted, 949 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,000 reviewed and approved when the SUP came in, 950 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,280 and we can send you information offline about that project. 951 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,840 - All right, thanks. 952 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:51,680 - Commissioner Smith. 953 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:52,520 - Thank you, Chair. 954 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,520 I think it's been, for the five years 955 00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:56,800 I've been on the commission, I think it's probably been 956 00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,440 one of the biggest sticking points we've had 957 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,320 that gets brought up constantly is about traffic, obviously. 958 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,360 And I think the empower of the TIA is great, 959 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,080 and I'm glad we're going through this bootcamp process 960 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:08,400 just to kind of get an understanding of it. 961 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,400 But I know that sometimes when we bring up TIAs, 962 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,800 they're kind of just not blown through during a meeting, 963 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,640 and it's not really you guys, it's the planners 964 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,800 that are presenting it, and they're not coming out 965 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,440 to any of the planners here. 966 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,400 But when there are things like you just mentioned, right, 967 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,280 this does trigger a factor that needs to be going in 968 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,440 for mitigation, and it's on a tech stop managed street, 969 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,240 where it's on a city road, but it's not enough for us to, 970 00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:38,020 there's other properties that are not developed yet 971 00:43:38,020 --> 00:43:39,740 that probably would end up triggering it, 972 00:43:39,740 --> 00:43:42,020 and then you can't put that full weight and bearing 973 00:43:42,020 --> 00:43:44,360 of that cost to put in a signal 974 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:45,740 or other type of mitigation in place 975 00:43:45,740 --> 00:43:48,280 only on that one person, who is the strawberry bear 976 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:49,520 with camel's back. 977 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,840 The, I don't know if there's a way for us in the future 978 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,840 during TIAs and during presentations 979 00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,400 to have those types of pieces brought up 980 00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:58,760 a little bit more clearly, 981 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,040 especially when we're looking at zonings, 982 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,440 where it's like, yes, this zoning is something 983 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,720 that could have, by the TIA, 984 00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:07,400 we could need signalization at this street, 985 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,120 but there'd be this process X, Y, Z 986 00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:11,160 that we have to go through for that. 987 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,920 Or because it's along the tech stop road, 988 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,360 we'd have to go through the tech stop process 989 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,280 within getting that signalization. 990 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,080 I think that sometimes we just, 991 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,400 we miss mentioning some of those small things 992 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,600 that should be some deciding factors 993 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:25,680 when we talk about a zoning, 994 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,160 because even though it may trigger it, 995 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,760 it doesn't mean it will be necessarily there at that time, 996 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,920 and it does kind of create this gap in safety 997 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:37,280 that we hope the TIA will point out for us, 998 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,220 and we hope the TIA will protect the community 999 00:44:39,220 --> 00:44:42,080 at large for it, but there might be a need to discuss 1000 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:43,960 that a little bit more in depth at public meetings, 1001 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,460 and so I don't know if that's something we can 1002 00:44:46,460 --> 00:44:48,040 bring up in the future. 1003 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,040 - It's possible that that could be 1004 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,480 something to bring up at matrix time. 1005 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:53,800 - Okay, we'll do that then, 1006 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,880 but one question I did have on the tech stop process. 1007 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,720 As we have, can you go in depth on, 1008 00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:01,080 just for the commission as a whole, 1009 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:02,640 to have a better understanding, 1010 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,000 'cause we do see a lot of projects 1011 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,920 that happen on tech stop roads, 1012 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,440 or a lot of projects that are next to tech stop roads 1013 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,840 and go through the tech stop process. 1014 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,880 What is that step-by-step, after we do that TIA, 1015 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,780 that it goes, when it goes to tech stop, 1016 00:45:14,780 --> 00:45:16,760 that they then go through to be able to discuss, 1017 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,680 okay, this is when we're gonna start going through, 1018 00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,240 I know you mentioned it there at the end, 1019 00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:22,320 we have to, the city has to locate some funds 1020 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,760 to be able to do that, but how does tech stops process 1021 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,560 of identifying mitigation, and the city's process 1022 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,200 for identifying medication differ, or align, 1023 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,280 or how do those two things interact? 1024 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,160 'Cause it seems like it's always been a little bit gray. 1025 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,040 - You can give us our name. 1026 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:41,160 - Yeah, I'll tackle this from the development review side. 1027 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:45,920 So, typically the general process is, 1028 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,680 once the zoning, in this case, 1029 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,480 we'll talk about plan developments and SUPs, 1030 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,240 'cause those are the ones that have site plans approved, 1031 00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:57,240 and the TIA would then include those mitigation measures, 1032 00:45:57,240 --> 00:45:59,500 or not, if it didn't require it. 1033 00:45:59,500 --> 00:46:03,480 After that stage has passed, 1034 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,280 they'll go through their planning process, 1035 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,920 and then, well, their civil engineering plan process, 1036 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,080 and planning process. 1037 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:12,680 When a tech stop permit comes in, 1038 00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,360 that's typically what they need to do 1039 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,280 before they get access to it. 1040 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,000 That'll come in concurrently 1041 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,120 with their civil engineering plans, 1042 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,320 and that's kind of the point in time 1043 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,640 where all of that will be decided by tech stop, 1044 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,720 whether they approve those access points, 1045 00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:34,640 or they're gonna require something else on top of that. 1046 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,320 So the tech stop permit is the key application. 1047 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,200 Concurrent with the civil engineering plans, 1048 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,020 and then prior to final platting, 1049 00:46:41,020 --> 00:46:43,880 where that decision will be made, 1050 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,560 and then just for general informational purposes, 1051 00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,840 the current timeline right now for tech stop 1052 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,440 is four to six months before they approve a permit. 1053 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,080 So sometimes, that's why you'll see a significant gap 1054 00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,300 from when the plan development came in, 1055 00:46:58,300 --> 00:46:59,560 or the SUP came in, 1056 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,800 to when the plat is finally coming in for approval. 1057 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,400 So I'm hoping I answered that question, 1058 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,400 if not, Preetam can come right in. 1059 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,000 - I just follow up, how often do we see 1060 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,800 those permits getting denied or modified 1061 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,520 in a significant way that might be different 1062 00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,760 than what is discussed in a public approval setting? 1063 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,280 Is it pretty common, we're going through, 1064 00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:22,800 we're following essentially what, 1065 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,000 we know what tech stop wants, 1066 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,120 we know we're gonna go through that process, 1067 00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:26,440 that the permit doesn't usually get denied, 1068 00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,360 we don't see big modifications, those kinds of things. 1069 00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,360 - Yeah, we typically go, 1070 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,540 it's a two or three step process, 1071 00:47:32,540 --> 00:47:35,040 but what we have is we have a great relationship, 1072 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,320 and thanks to Becky's group, 1073 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,340 we have a great relationship with Tech Stop, 1074 00:47:38,340 --> 00:47:40,600 and we conduct monthly meetings with them, 1075 00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,080 so if there is a development that's coming in 1076 00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:48,080 and tying in, and they have certain design concepts, 1077 00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,120 they will bring it up, 1078 00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,600 and we will bring it up in a discussion with Tech Stop, 1079 00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,320 and say generally, conceptually, 1080 00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:55,860 do you agree with this step? 1081 00:47:55,860 --> 00:47:57,040 Then they move to the next step, 1082 00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,320 which is actually designing it, 1083 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:00,600 and during the design phase, 1084 00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,640 if they find out there are some engineering design issues, 1085 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,080 if there is drainage issues or other issues, 1086 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:07,680 then they will provide those comments, 1087 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,400 and they have another option to go back 1088 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,600 and ask Tech Stop the same question, 1089 00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,200 but after everything is done and we feel okay, 1090 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,280 that yes, we've received a couple approvals from Tech Stop, 1091 00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:22,240 and then we as a city, it satisfies all city criteria, 1092 00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:25,520 it does go to Tech Stop, they may have comments, 1093 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,580 they may have some minor modifications, 1094 00:48:27,580 --> 00:48:29,360 but it's very rare at that point, 1095 00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,560 after going through that many steps, 1096 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,480 that they really completely decline 1097 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,640 or reject those applications. 1098 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:37,640 - I'm sorry. 1099 00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,740 I just thought of one more thing. 1100 00:48:40,740 --> 00:48:46,000 Given how the approval process is for SUPs and PDs, 1101 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,480 if Tech Stop were to find a project 1102 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:49,920 that has already gone through approvals 1103 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,920 and indicate that it's not sufficient, 1104 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,480 they're gonna deny the permit, 1105 00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,440 at that point, that applicant would have to bring the SUP 1106 00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:00,800 back unless flexibility was written into the SUP or PD. 1107 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,000 - So it doesn't happen very often? 1108 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,800 - Not very often, there may be one case 1109 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,320 or maybe something minor where there might be issues 1110 00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,560 between the site plan that was approved, 1111 00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,000 but typically, if it stays within the limitations 1112 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:14,680 or boundaries of the approval, 1113 00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,160 then it doesn't have to come back. 1114 00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,960 We try to find a resolution as best as we can. 1115 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,240 - You guys stay pretty proactive, 1116 00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:23,840 and I'm saying thank you guys very much for doing that. 1117 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,080 How many other cities have a monthly meeting with Tech Stop? 1118 00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:28,280 Cities of our size are sad. 1119 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,440 Sure, Dallas has weekly, if not daily meetings with Tech Stop, 1120 00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,760 but not many? 1121 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,160 So I don't know the answer to that question. 1122 00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:43,440 - It does actually depend of how many facilities, 1123 00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,800 Tech Stop roadways, they have within the city. 1124 00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,840 So if there's not a whole lot of touch points, 1125 00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:51,280 we do have a lot, and Tina can attest to that 1126 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,040 when she moved here. 1127 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:54,280 - Tina can beat her head against the wall 1128 00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,680 and make a touch to that, yeah, sure. 1129 00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,040 Awesome, thank you guys, thank you for being so proactive 1130 00:49:59,040 --> 00:49:59,880 on that. 1131 00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,320 - Other questions? 1132 00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:03,520 Commissioner Perot. 1133 00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:04,960 - Thank you, Chair. 1134 00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:06,320 Just a couple quick things. 1135 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:11,480 I heard Karina mention that, 1136 00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:15,360 sorry, let's take a minute here. 1137 00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:21,800 Mentioned something about if a zoning change was not, 1138 00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:26,600 or differing from the future land use map, 1139 00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:31,000 and does that mean that essentially some of those triggers 1140 00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,840 occur when we are changing, 1141 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,760 essentially changing the future land use map, 1142 00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,600 because the mobility plan was drawn up 1143 00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,320 with the assumption of the land uses within that map? 1144 00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,320 Am I understanding that correctly? 1145 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,000 - I'll say it's a consideration for. 1146 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:54,520 So if, again, if a zoning request comes through 1147 00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,320 and it doesn't meet the future land use, 1148 00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,240 but it's not too far off from what we're asking for, 1149 00:50:59,240 --> 00:51:01,320 we're not gonna put an applicant through the process 1150 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,880 to go through the TIA process. 1151 00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,280 Now, if it's something significant 1152 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,560 that warrants a comprehensive plan amendment, 1153 00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,520 and again, it's that far off from what we're asking for, 1154 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:16,160 then yes, we will have a TIA with that application. 1155 00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:17,120 - No, that's good. 1156 00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:21,120 And then on the, and maybe this differs 1157 00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,360 from project to project, so feel free to tell me 1158 00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,760 it just depends as the wonderful engineering answer. 1159 00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:31,280 But from time to time, we have projects come through 1160 00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:36,280 especially with a PD or an SUP where a developer 1161 00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:40,880 will offer to provide some offsite improvement 1162 00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,720 that may or may not have been required by staff 1163 00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:44,920 from the TIA. 1164 00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:51,440 Is there a general way in that funding scheme 1165 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:56,900 that is typical from a, here's my question is, 1166 00:51:56,900 --> 00:52:00,600 it's my understand that sometimes those improvements 1167 00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:05,080 are sort of fronted some money from the developer, 1168 00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:06,200 but then on the back side, 1169 00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,320 once they have their construction applications 1170 00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,120 and they pay their impact fees, 1171 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,680 that gets basically refunded on the back end. 1172 00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,520 Is that the normal process or is it, 1173 00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:17,920 does it really just depend? 1174 00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:23,440 - The starting answer is it depends, but (laughs) 1175 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:27,240 but in order to provide more information on that, 1176 00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:33,280 yes, if a roadway that's adjacent to the project 1177 00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,680 is a roadway that's within the mobility plan 1178 00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:40,480 and it's included in the right-of-way impact fee study, 1179 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:44,200 then any capacity improvements, adding turn lanes, 1180 00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:48,320 adding through lanes, they will get refunded at the back end. 1181 00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:53,280 So they will have their right-of-way impact fees credited. 1182 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,920 We won't go beyond the credit amount. 1183 00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,080 The city will not pay in cash beyond that, 1184 00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,480 but yes, up to that limit of the roadway impact fee, 1185 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,720 they do get credited any capacity enhancement. 1186 00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:09,480 As far as the other off-site improvements, 1187 00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:13,720 there is no one formula fits all. 1188 00:53:13,720 --> 00:53:16,680 There are times where the developer is willing to, 1189 00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:20,160 for his benefit as well as the overall benefit, 1190 00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,460 willing to add in more, more than the proportionality. 1191 00:53:23,460 --> 00:53:25,840 And at that point, we do work with them saying, 1192 00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:30,120 okay, if this benefits the city as well as the development, 1193 00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,680 better access, better in and out, more attractive product, 1194 00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:37,000 then yes, we can work with them and put it in, 1195 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,360 but it's purely with a conversation, 1196 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:41,680 with a discussion with the developer. 1197 00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,160 - Okay, thank you. 1198 00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:47,640 I'll try to be more active and remember that 1199 00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:48,800 when those things come up. 1200 00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:53,800 And then lastly, I recall from previous discussions 1201 00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:59,520 that for the mobility, vehicular access and everything, 1202 00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:03,280 there's a particular level of service that we aim for, 1203 00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,960 and that vehicular level of services 1204 00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,400 is sort of a amount of delay, right? 1205 00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:09,240 - Correct. 1206 00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:12,120 - But then in conjunction with this, 1207 00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,200 as we just saw in our criteria manuals, 1208 00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,160 we're instituting a, I think it called it 1209 00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,600 like a pedestrian level of service analysis 1210 00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,440 or something like that. 1211 00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:25,200 And when I looked through that, it didn't seem like 1212 00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,840 it was so much of a delay to the pedestrian. 1213 00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:32,840 It seemed like it was more safety slash ease of use, et cetera. 1214 00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:38,240 So I think my question is, 1215 00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:40,440 I understand that we have a particular amount of delay 1216 00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:45,440 that we're willing to stomach for vehicular level of service. 1217 00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:46,760 Given that it's the same term, 1218 00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,920 how should I understand the evaluation on a TIA 1219 00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,040 of the pedestrian level of service? 1220 00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:53,600 Given, I know it's a new process, 1221 00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,720 but just what's our goal for that? 1222 00:54:56,720 --> 00:55:00,040 - So a really good question. 1223 00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:04,640 It's very new that we're going through this process 1224 00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,280 of including more active transportation 1225 00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,880 like pedestrian and bicycle and so on and so forth. 1226 00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:12,920 So as the whole community 1227 00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:17,440 of transportation traffic engineers go through this process, 1228 00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,120 we have started on the bike side 1229 00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:20,960 to identify the stress level. 1230 00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:25,400 So which means, is it more stressful to drive on this lane 1231 00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:29,280 that has cars running at 40 or 50 miles really close, 1232 00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:30,920 three feet, four feet from you? 1233 00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,040 Yes, that's a stressful. 1234 00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:33,480 So the stress level is high, 1235 00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,240 which means that facility will be downgraded 1236 00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:39,640 or have a lesser value. 1237 00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,280 Whereas in pedestrian, at this point, 1238 00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:46,200 we are mostly focused on the connectivity, shortest path, 1239 00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:50,680 so which reduces the stress for a person to use it, 1240 00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,160 so it creates a better, so that's one thing. 1241 00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:58,160 And then also identifying what existing paths we have 1242 00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,640 to the most common locations, 1243 00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,960 especially like schools or any other parks, 1244 00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:08,120 any other attractions that pedestrians may be going to 1245 00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:09,400 from a development. 1246 00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:13,160 We identify everything in the vicinity of the area, 1247 00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:16,520 and that's what's included in our pedestrian impact. 1248 00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,000 And we come up with asking them, 1249 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,360 what are the mitigation measures or improvements 1250 00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:22,320 that you're willing to do, 1251 00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:26,200 because there is certain areas that is lacking connectivity, 1252 00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,000 so that may trigger an off-site improvement for them 1253 00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,280 to extend a sidewalk and connect the missing sidewalk. 1254 00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,600 So that's what we're looking for in pedestrian at this time. 1255 00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,600 It's not necessarily the amount of delay 1256 00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,160 or how many pedestrians we can accommodate 1257 00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,160 within a five-foot sidewalk or system, 1258 00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,640 so it's very evolving at this point, 1259 00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,600 but slowly we're making sure 1260 00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,080 that we at least check the first things, 1261 00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,040 which is connection and shortest route. 1262 00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:52,600 - Okay, thank you. - Thanks. 1263 00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,840 - Other questions? 1264 00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:59,880 And let me just clarify, any mitigation measures 1265 00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:04,000 that come from a TIA is required to be done? 1266 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:11,000 - So yes, as long as they're fully created 1267 00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:13,640 by the development itself. 1268 00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:18,640 So when development connects to a roadway, 1269 00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,560 if the roadway is already congested, 1270 00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,560 for example, there's a new driveway on the loop. 1271 00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:24,400 During peak hours, 1272 00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,160 everyone knows the loop is fully congested, 1273 00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,400 and you can mitigate that existing condition. 1274 00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,640 We can't ask the developer to say, 1275 00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,560 okay, now you have to put in a through lane on loop 1276 00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:35,560 and make it better. 1277 00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:39,320 So yes, any additional up to their proportional addition. 1278 00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,080 So for example, there are 100 trips on loop, 1279 00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,720 and the development is adding 20 more. 1280 00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:46,880 That mitigate, they need to mitigate 1281 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,280 whatever additional delay or congestion 1282 00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,080 that those 20 trips are. 1283 00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,760 So that's the proportionality piece. 1284 00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:54,920 - Sure, that makes sense. 1285 00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,880 Commissioner Smith. 1286 00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,600 - This brought up a question I've never thought of 1287 00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:01,280 in five years of it on this commission. 1288 00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:02,560 (laughing) 1289 00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,120 - Tina's here. 1290 00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:04,960 - Tina's right here, let's do this. 1291 00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,240 - Exactly, we've got Tina now. 1292 00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,160 The mitigation on the traffic mitigation specifically, 1293 00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,360 that impact fee, is it earmarked for specifically 1294 00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:17,080 that area, that roadway it's being impacted? 1295 00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,000 Is that in like a balance line of a budget item 1296 00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:20,480 within transportation? 1297 00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:21,960 I guess it's really more capital improvement. 1298 00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,760 Is it like, this is an impact fee paid specifically 1299 00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,600 for loop 288, and therefore it has to go 1300 00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:29,400 to loop 288 projects? 1301 00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:33,400 And then if it's loop 288 south versus loop 288 north, 1302 00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,880 then how does that work? 1303 00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,160 - So I think later on, I think Becky will bring 1304 00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,760 the roadway impact fee ordinance and the study 1305 00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:44,640 in front of you and just give you overall 1306 00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:48,880 how that thing works, but essentially what happens 1307 00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,120 with the roadway impact fee, there are areas identified 1308 00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:54,280 similar to any other utility impact fee 1309 00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:55,440 and so on and so forth. 1310 00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,480 We have specific areas, we have identified 1311 00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,520 specific projects within the area. 1312 00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,880 It could be large arterials, it could be collectors, 1313 00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:04,360 so on and so forth. 1314 00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:09,120 And we develop a cost estimate based on today's dollar 1315 00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,400 when we're doing the study, that that's the cost estimate. 1316 00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,600 And then we collect the money that's coming in 1317 00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,680 in a whole big pot that goes towards that area. 1318 00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:21,000 So not necessarily a development that's located 1319 00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,720 on the south side of that particular area. 1320 00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,520 We'll contribute development or improvements 1321 00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:30,640 on the roadway in front of their development. 1322 00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:34,360 It's within that region we are, by state law, allowed 1323 00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,080 to spend that money on different projects 1324 00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,560 and the city gets to prioritize what projects 1325 00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:43,240 and where is more important in certain areas. 1326 00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,280 So that's how the roadway, there is a nexus study 1327 00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:48,920 that identifies and defines all the projects 1328 00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,920 that we are going to do and required. 1329 00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,840 And the money that's collected goes towards that. 1330 00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,400 But it's not necessarily line item loop 288 1331 00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:58,520 from here to here. 1332 00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,920 It's not necessarily defined, but we have some discretion 1333 01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:03,360 over the whole area. 1334 01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:04,200 - No, I wouldn't think so. 1335 01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,520 That'd be way too complicated. 1336 01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:08,840 We'd have dollars tied up for areas that should be needed. 1337 01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,840 But so I think you said we're gonna get a presentation 1338 01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:12,920 on that some other time. 1339 01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:14,640 So cool. 1340 01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:15,460 Thank you. 1341 01:00:15,460 --> 01:00:18,960 - Okay, I do not see any other questions 1342 01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,240 except I see Tina wanting to speak. 1343 01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,560 - Just real quick. 1344 01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:25,880 I wanted to let you know that this is pre-Tam's last 1345 01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:27,160 planning and zoning commission meeting 1346 01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:28,560 that you'll hear from him on. 1347 01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:30,480 So we purposely made sure that we could get 1348 01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,720 this boot camp presentation in before he's decided 1349 01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:35,280 to go pursue greener pastures 1350 01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,000 and work for another municipality. 1351 01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,080 So I just wanted to let the commission know 1352 01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:40,680 because I know you've had a working relationship 1353 01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:41,840 with him in the past. 1354 01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,040 And we appreciate all the guidance and expertise 1355 01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,120 that he has provided our organization 1356 01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:47,680 through the time that he's been here with us. 1357 01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:52,000 So embrace this opportunity to ask him all TIA related 1358 01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:53,400 questions that you want. 1359 01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,920 Because this will be the last time 1360 01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:58,360 he'll be able to address them for you. 1361 01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,160 And then obviously we have a great resource with Karina 1362 01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,880 now that she's back from her temporary leave 1363 01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:05,720 to take care of her newborn. 1364 01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:07,920 And so we're in great hands also 1365 01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:10,520 with Karina's transportation background and expertise 1366 01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:13,400 and also all of the development related work 1367 01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:14,640 that she's done. 1368 01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:16,680 She brings another level of expertise 1369 01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:19,040 to our transportation planning program. 1370 01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:22,760 Not to say that we won't miss pre-Tam, but because we will. 1371 01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,720 But actually we're still in great hands also 1372 01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:27,440 with Karina still being here. 1373 01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,040 So with that, any final remaining TIA questions 1374 01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:32,040 for pre-Tam, go ahead and fire away. 1375 01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,280 (laughing) 1376 01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,240 - I do not see any. 1377 01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:39,840 So see if we're gonna give you a good send off. 1378 01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:40,960 Pre-Tam, we will miss you. 1379 01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:45,520 I did not know that you were pursuing other things. 1380 01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:46,800 So all the best to you. 1381 01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,240 Thank you for all the time you've given us 1382 01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:51,320 and all the knowledge that you've shared with us. 1383 01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:52,880 So good luck. 1384 01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:56,880 - Okay, with that, I will close our work session at 6.03 1385 01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:00,440 and we will reconvene in council chambers at 6.30. 1386 01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:08,040 - Good evening and welcome to the city of Denton's 1387 01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:09,560 planning and zoning commission meeting 1388 01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:13,440 for Wednesday, October 12th, 2022. 1389 01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:17,880 With the quorum present, I will call us to order at 6.31 PM. 1390 01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:20,600 The first item on our agenda is the pledge of allegiance 1391 01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:22,320 to the US and Texas flex. 1392 01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:24,360 (laughing) 1393 01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,720 - I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States 1394 01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:31,600 of America and to the Republic for which it stands, 1395 01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,800 one nation under God, indivisible, 1396 01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:36,920 with liberty and justice for all. 1397 01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:43,200 Under the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to the Texas, 1398 01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:46,960 one state under God, one and indivisible. 1399 01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:52,000 - Thank you. 1400 01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:57,000 The next item on our agenda is approval of our 1401 01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:58,480 planning and zoning commission meeting 1402 01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:01,400 for September 28th, the minutes from that meeting. 1403 01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,640 Is there any discussion from the commission 1404 01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:06,560 or I can entertain a motion? 1405 01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:16,280 - We are not seeing the buttons on the screen. 1406 01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:17,120 Point of order. 1407 01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:27,960 Looks like we are having a bit of technical difficulty. 1408 01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:41,960 No, I would back that up because no one's made a motion yet. 1409 01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:43,800 Yeah. 1410 01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,040 (laughing) 1411 01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:52,160 - Okay, do you have, do you not have a button 1412 01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:53,760 to make a motion? 1413 01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,480 Okay, it looks like we are gonna have to go ahead 1414 01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,080 and do hands. 1415 01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:00,240 So Commissioner Villarreal. 1416 01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:03,680 - I move to approve. 1417 01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:04,520 - Okay. 1418 01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:05,800 We have a first for approval of the minutes 1419 01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:07,680 for September 28th meeting. 1420 01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:08,520 Commissioner Smith. 1421 01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:09,360 - Second. 1422 01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:10,520 - Okay, we've got a first and a second. 1423 01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:12,800 Any discussion from the commission? 1424 01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:16,000 Okay, let's go ahead and take a roll call vote. 1425 01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:17,400 Commissioner Villarreal. 1426 01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:18,320 - Aye. 1427 01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:19,440 - Commissioner Smith. 1428 01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:20,280 - Aye. 1429 01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:21,640 - Commissioner Pruitt. 1430 01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:22,480 - Aye. 1431 01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:23,360 - Commissioner McDade. 1432 01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:24,520 - Aye. 1433 01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:25,840 - Commissioner Anderson. 1434 01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:26,680 - Aye. 1435 01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:27,500 - Commissioner Cole. 1436 01:04:27,500 --> 01:04:28,340 - Aye. 1437 01:04:28,340 --> 01:04:29,440 - Chair is also an aye. 1438 01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:33,440 That motion passes seven zero. 1439 01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,920 That will take us to our consent agenda for this evening. 1440 01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:42,120 And it would appear we'll have to do the same, I believe. 1441 01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:48,520 Commissioner Smith. 1442 01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:50,360 - Make a motion to approve. 1443 01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:51,600 - Okay, we've got a first for approval 1444 01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:52,920 of the consent agenda. 1445 01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:54,840 Commissioner Anderson. 1446 01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:55,680 - Second. 1447 01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:57,040 - Okay, first and a second for approval 1448 01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:58,680 of the consent agenda this evening. 1449 01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:00,480 Any discussion? 1450 01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,800 Okay, let's take a roll call vote. 1451 01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:04,040 Commissioner Smith. 1452 01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:04,880 - Aye. 1453 01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:05,700 - Commissioner Anderson. 1454 01:05:05,700 --> 01:05:06,540 - Aye. 1455 01:05:06,540 --> 01:05:07,640 - Commissioner Pruitt. 1456 01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:08,480 - Aye. 1457 01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:09,320 - Commissioner McDade. 1458 01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:10,800 - Aye. 1459 01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:12,240 - Commissioner Villarreal. 1460 01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:13,080 - Aye. 1461 01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:13,900 - Commissioner Cole. 1462 01:05:13,900 --> 01:05:14,740 - Aye. 1463 01:05:14,740 --> 01:05:15,580 - Chair is also an aye. 1464 01:05:15,580 --> 01:05:18,680 That motion carries seven zero. 1465 01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:22,480 That will take us to our items for individual consideration. 1466 01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:26,960 4A is PZ22-220B, 1467 01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:28,920 and that is to consider the approval 1468 01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:33,140 of our Planning and Zoning Commission calendar for 2023. 1469 01:05:33,140 --> 01:05:34,760 Hi there, Sean. 1470 01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,880 - So yes, Chair, members of the commission. 1471 01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:40,400 This is the calendar for your consideration 1472 01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:44,180 for the Planning and Zoning Commission meetings for 2023. 1473 01:05:44,180 --> 01:05:46,640 Happy to answer any questions you may have on that. 1474 01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:48,880 - I think we discussed that in work session. 1475 01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,160 There were no concerns on that. 1476 01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:53,200 Have any come up since? 1477 01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:54,640 Okay, thank you, Sean. 1478 01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:55,640 Commissioner Smith. 1479 01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:56,720 - Make a motion to approve. 1480 01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:58,880 - Okay, we've got a motion for approval. 1481 01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:00,380 Commissioner Villarreal. 1482 01:06:00,380 --> 01:06:01,220 - Second. 1483 01:06:01,220 --> 01:06:02,280 - Okay, we've got a first and a second 1484 01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:06,020 to approve the 2023 Planning and Zoning Commission calendar. 1485 01:06:06,020 --> 01:06:08,840 Any discussion? 1486 01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:10,320 Okay, Commissioner Smith. 1487 01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:11,160 - Aye. 1488 01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:12,160 - Commissioner Villarreal. 1489 01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:13,000 - Aye. 1490 01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:13,820 - Commissioner Pruitt. 1491 01:06:13,820 --> 01:06:14,660 - Aye. 1492 01:06:14,660 --> 01:06:15,480 - Commissioner McDade. 1493 01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:16,320 - Aye. 1494 01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:17,160 - Commissioner Anderson. 1495 01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:17,980 - Aye. 1496 01:06:17,980 --> 01:06:18,820 - Commissioner Cole. 1497 01:06:18,820 --> 01:06:19,660 - Aye. 1498 01:06:19,660 --> 01:06:20,480 - Chair's also an aye. 1499 01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:22,880 That motion carries seven, zero. 1500 01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:28,800 That will take us to item 4B, FP 22-0028. 1501 01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,840 I'll invite Mia up for presentation. 1502 01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:35,360 - Good evening, Chair, members of the commission. 1503 01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:39,000 I'm Mia Hines, Associate Planner. 1504 01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,280 This item is a final plight for, 1505 01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:44,000 I'm trying to reply for Razor Ranch Town Center 1506 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,480 and the purpose of this plight was to establish 1507 01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:48,320 the easements associated with the Razor Ranch 1508 01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,160 Town Center development. 1509 01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:53,760 When the report went out, staff's recommendation 1510 01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,880 was of denial, but we have worked internally with staff 1511 01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,320 and with the applicants to make sure 1512 01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:01,200 the remaining comments were satisfied 1513 01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,720 and so now our recommendation is of approval 1514 01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:06,760 and I will stand for any questions you have at this time. 1515 01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:07,760 - Thank you, Mia. 1516 01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:10,100 - Any questions for Mia? 1517 01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:13,080 No? 1518 01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:15,060 Okay, thank you very much. 1519 01:07:15,060 --> 01:07:16,240 Commissioner Anderson. 1520 01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:17,720 - Make a motion to approve. 1521 01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:19,840 - Okay, Commissioner Smith. 1522 01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:20,800 - Second. 1523 01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,400 - Okay, we've got a first and a second for approval. 1524 01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:24,480 Any discussion? 1525 01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,740 Okay, we'll take a roll call vote. 1526 01:07:27,740 --> 01:07:29,040 Commissioner Anderson. 1527 01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:29,860 - Aye. 1528 01:07:29,860 --> 01:07:30,700 - Commissioner Smith. 1529 01:07:30,700 --> 01:07:31,540 - Aye. 1530 01:07:31,540 --> 01:07:32,360 - Commissioner Pruitt. 1531 01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:33,200 - Aye. 1532 01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:34,040 - Commissioner McDade. 1533 01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:34,860 - Aye. 1534 01:07:34,860 --> 01:07:35,700 - Commissioner Villarreal. 1535 01:07:35,700 --> 01:07:36,540 - Aye. 1536 01:07:36,540 --> 01:07:37,360 - Commissioner Cole. 1537 01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:38,480 - Aye. 1538 01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:39,760 - Chair is also an aye. 1539 01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:42,520 That motion carries seven, zero. 1540 01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:47,520 That will take us to 4CPP-0007B. 1541 01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:50,680 I'll invite Julie Wyatt up for presentation of this item. 1542 01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:51,720 Hi, Julie. 1543 01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:52,560 - Good evening. 1544 01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:54,960 Julie Wyatt, Senior Planner with the City of Denton. 1545 01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,760 This is a preliminary plat for the Audreau subdivision, 1546 01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:01,000 a single family residential subdivision south of Audre Lane. 1547 01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:06,120 When the agenda went out, it was a recommendation of denial 1548 01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:08,960 as there were a couple of items they still needed to address. 1549 01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:10,620 They've worked with our engineering group 1550 01:08:10,620 --> 01:08:14,360 and those items have been addressed and cleared 1551 01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,160 and so staff is recommending approval. 1552 01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:18,040 I'll be happy to answer any questions. 1553 01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:18,920 - Thanks, Julie. 1554 01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:19,760 Any questions? 1555 01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:23,840 Okay, thank you. 1556 01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:25,640 Commissioner Villarreal. 1557 01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:27,000 - Move to approve. 1558 01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:29,460 - Okay, we've got a first for approval. 1559 01:08:29,460 --> 01:08:30,400 Commissioner Smith. 1560 01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:31,580 - Second. 1561 01:08:31,580 --> 01:08:34,600 - Okay, we got a first and a second for approval. 1562 01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,480 This item, any discussion? 1563 01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:40,520 Okay, let's take a roll call vote. 1564 01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:41,680 Commissioner Villarreal. 1565 01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:42,520 - Aye. 1566 01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:43,340 - Commissioner Smith. 1567 01:08:43,340 --> 01:08:44,180 - Aye. 1568 01:08:44,180 --> 01:08:45,020 - Commissioner Pruitt. 1569 01:08:45,020 --> 01:08:45,840 - Aye. 1570 01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:46,680 - Commissioner McDade. 1571 01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:47,520 - Aye. 1572 01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:48,340 - Commissioner Anderson. 1573 01:08:48,340 --> 01:08:49,180 - Aye. 1574 01:08:49,180 --> 01:08:50,020 - Commissioner Cole. 1575 01:08:50,020 --> 01:08:50,840 - Aye. 1576 01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:51,680 - Chair is also an aye. 1577 01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:54,380 That motion carries seven, zero. 1578 01:08:54,380 --> 01:08:58,920 With item 4D, that item has been withdrawn 1579 01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:03,560 so we will not be taking action on that item this evening. 1580 01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:07,560 That will take us to our public hearing portion for tonight. 1581 01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:13,360 Call up 5A, Z22-0011. 1582 01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:15,080 We'll invite Sean up for presentation 1583 01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:16,480 and open the public hearing. 1584 01:09:16,480 --> 01:09:18,360 - Thank you, Chair. - Hello again, Sean. 1585 01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:19,360 - Good evening. 1586 01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:22,680 Sean Jacobson, Associate Planner. 1587 01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:26,000 Here to present Z22-0011. 1588 01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,000 Just gonna open up my presentation here. 1589 01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,560 All right. 1590 01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,000 Yes, Michael, thank you. 1591 01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:36,520 So yes, this is Z22-0011. 1592 01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,080 This is a request for a rezoning from 1593 01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:40,760 current mixed use regional zoning 1594 01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:42,840 to a light industrial zoning 1595 01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:47,160 on a property located between Bartholomew Road and FM 1173. 1596 01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:49,880 It's approximately 53.6 acres. 1597 01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,200 The property is currently mostly undeveloped. 1598 01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:53,520 There is one single family dwelling 1599 01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,340 as well as a plugged gas well. 1600 01:09:55,340 --> 01:09:59,480 Of course, we want to consider all of our criteria, 1601 01:09:59,480 --> 01:10:02,680 but particularly alignment with our comprehensive plan 1602 01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:03,880 and our future land use map. 1603 01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:06,640 As you can see here, the comprehensive plan 1604 01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:10,440 future land use map calls for light industrial in this area. 1605 01:10:10,440 --> 01:10:13,200 And this request would align with, of course, 1606 01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:14,600 that future land use. 1607 01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:19,360 In addition, our comprehensive plan in action 3.1.1 1608 01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:22,400 encourages us to ensure that there is adequate land 1609 01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:25,080 available particularly for non-commercial development 1610 01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:26,080 in the future. 1611 01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,920 And this rezoning would help to accomplish that 1612 01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:31,320 by ensuring that there is light industrial 1613 01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:34,480 zone land available for those types of future development. 1614 01:10:34,480 --> 01:10:39,440 Also want to specifically address the current zoning 1615 01:10:39,440 --> 01:10:42,080 on the property of MR, which could be a little bit surprising 1616 01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:43,800 given that it's so out of line 1617 01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:45,640 with our current future land use map. 1618 01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:50,640 Briefly, that was put in place back in the 2002 zoning. 1619 01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:55,880 And at the time, the 1999 to 2020 comprehensive plan 1620 01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,720 was expecting that there would be a major entertainment 1621 01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:01,840 and shopping area that would develop out there. 1622 01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:04,200 And since then, of course, Razor Ranch has developed 1623 01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:05,480 as that area. 1624 01:11:05,480 --> 01:11:08,040 And in addition, we've seen more of a trend 1625 01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:11,160 of industrial development in that area. 1626 01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:13,000 And so based on that, the comprehensive plan 1627 01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,000 most recently approved in 2022 1628 01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:17,720 reflects those changed expectations. 1629 01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:20,800 And this zoning would bring the property back into line 1630 01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:22,440 with our comprehensive plan. 1631 01:11:22,440 --> 01:11:23,920 As you can see there, just highlighted 1632 01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:25,720 some of the residential uses that would be permitted 1633 01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:28,560 by right now, which would not necessarily be in line 1634 01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:31,720 with the comprehensive plan expectations for this property. 1635 01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:36,200 So overall, this request does meet our criteria 1636 01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:37,040 for approval. 1637 01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:41,320 We did also go through our standard notification process. 1638 01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:43,960 We have not received any responses, 1639 01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:45,680 they're positive or negatively. 1640 01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:48,800 The applicant did hold a neighborhood meeting 1641 01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:52,160 and we were able to hear from some of the neighbors. 1642 01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:54,240 They were not opposed, they did have some questions 1643 01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:56,720 and concerns related to lighting, 1644 01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:58,800 transportation, security. 1645 01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,000 And we were able to discuss those with them. 1646 01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:05,360 So overall, staff is recommending approval 1647 01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:08,280 of the change to the Light Industrial Zoning District 1648 01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:09,600 on this property. 1649 01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:11,720 That is my presentation, but I'm happy to stand 1650 01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:12,560 for any questions. 1651 01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:15,120 And the applicant is also here and does have a presentation. 1652 01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:16,200 - Excellent, great. 1653 01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:20,000 Any questions for Sean at this time? 1654 01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:24,240 Okay, thank you, Sean. 1655 01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:26,000 I do not have any cards, but I'll go ahead 1656 01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:29,560 and invite the applicant up for their presentation. 1657 01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:36,080 I'd call you by name if I had your card, but that's okay. 1658 01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:37,960 I said I'd call you by name if I had your card 1659 01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:40,440 in front of me, but if you will just state your name 1660 01:12:40,440 --> 01:12:42,320 and address it and your time will begin. 1661 01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:43,160 - Yes, Todd Finley, CLX Ventures. 1662 01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:44,320 How are you all doing tonight? 1663 01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:45,160 - Good evening. 1664 01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:45,980 - Thank you for your time. 1665 01:12:45,980 --> 01:12:50,640 I won't take too long, but CLX Ventures, 1666 01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:54,280 we're currently building a industrial development 1667 01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:56,520 just south of this site. 1668 01:12:56,520 --> 01:13:00,360 You probably noticed it if you're driving by 35 lately. 1669 01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:03,360 But it'll be three buildings, 1.1 million square feet. 1670 01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:07,760 So we definitely know the area and know the staff 1671 01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:08,840 and know the process. 1672 01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:15,960 Brad Copeland and Tony Long are our co-founders, 1673 01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:19,340 both with 30 years of experience in real estate. 1674 01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:24,680 I have 20 years of construction and development experience. 1675 01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:31,720 This is just a map of the cities and locations 1676 01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,560 we're currently developing in or have developed in. 1677 01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:38,580 Our main focus is across the I-35 corridor, 1678 01:13:38,580 --> 01:13:41,480 large cities and that. 1679 01:13:41,480 --> 01:13:43,080 Right now we're only Texas-based, 1680 01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:47,460 but we don't have any plans to expand out of Texas right now. 1681 01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:53,480 This is just a photo of a rendering we did 1682 01:13:53,480 --> 01:13:55,940 at DFW Airport and then an actual building, 1683 01:13:55,940 --> 01:13:59,100 later leased that to Amazon. 1684 01:13:59,100 --> 01:14:07,900 This is another facility we finished in Duncanville, 1685 01:14:07,900 --> 01:14:10,960 leased it and sold it to the user. 1686 01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:16,260 This is a project that Brad and I worked together 1687 01:14:16,260 --> 01:14:20,600 on four or five years ago in Houston on I-45. 1688 01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:28,520 This is a conceptual site plan 1689 01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:29,980 for what we're planning to do. 1690 01:14:29,980 --> 01:14:35,000 We have, as Sean said, we did have a neighborhood meeting. 1691 01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:38,320 We've been coordinating with the city staff 1692 01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:43,320 as far as engineering on the idea 1693 01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:47,920 of having a north-south collector that will be required. 1694 01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:51,080 We're working with the adjacent landowner 1695 01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:54,840 to acquire or have a right-of-way dedication. 1696 01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:57,460 We understand that requirement 1697 01:14:57,460 --> 01:14:59,680 that the city has put on us. 1698 01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:02,120 It's not shown on here, but it would be 1699 01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:04,140 on the western side of the property. 1700 01:15:04,140 --> 01:15:09,320 The tie-in up at Barthol Road will be the exact tie-in 1701 01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:13,480 'cause that aligns with the future expansion 1702 01:15:13,480 --> 01:15:14,880 with TxDOT on Barthol. 1703 01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:20,960 And then our main drive in the middle of the two buildings 1704 01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:24,920 ties in with our 1173 improvements 1705 01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:28,720 that we're currently working on approval with on TxDOT. 1706 01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:32,900 That's all. 1707 01:15:32,900 --> 01:15:33,740 Any questions? 1708 01:15:33,740 --> 01:15:35,360 - Great. 1709 01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:36,320 Any questions? 1710 01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:38,600 We do not see anything. 1711 01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:40,440 Thank you for your presentation. 1712 01:15:40,440 --> 01:15:42,200 - Thank you. - Appreciate it. 1713 01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:44,320 I don't have any cards in front of me to speak, 1714 01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:45,440 but this is a public hearing, 1715 01:15:45,440 --> 01:15:47,680 so anyone from the audience who wishes 1716 01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:49,680 to speak on this item certainly can. 1717 01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:59,560 Hi, if you'll just give your name and address, 1718 01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:00,560 your time will begin. 1719 01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:01,400 Hi. 1720 01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:03,080 - Good evening, I'm Gretchen Van Olken. 1721 01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:06,280 I've been a lawyer in Denton for quite some time, 1722 01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:08,800 and I've represented Evelyn Barthold 1723 01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:13,080 who owns the 73 acres just adjacent to this property 1724 01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:15,440 to the west of this property. 1725 01:16:15,440 --> 01:16:16,880 She was unable to be here tonight, 1726 01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:18,560 but I spoke with her this afternoon. 1727 01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:19,520 We've represented her. 1728 01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:21,760 My firm has for 15 to 20 years. 1729 01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:23,000 She authorized me to let you know 1730 01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:25,440 that she has no objection to this project. 1731 01:16:25,440 --> 01:16:26,280 - Very good. 1732 01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:27,280 Thank you for coming out. 1733 01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:33,840 Anyone else wishing to speak on this item? 1734 01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:37,720 Okay. 1735 01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:39,680 Seeing none, I will close the public hearing 1736 01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:42,760 and open the floor for discussion or a motion. 1737 01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:46,320 Commissioner Smith. 1738 01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:48,440 - Make a motion to approve. 1739 01:16:48,440 --> 01:16:49,280 - Commissioner McDade. 1740 01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:50,100 - Second. 1741 01:16:50,100 --> 01:16:51,600 - Okay, we've got a first and a second 1742 01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:53,140 for approval of this request. 1743 01:16:53,140 --> 01:16:55,640 Is there any further discussion by the commission? 1744 01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:57,840 Okay. 1745 01:16:57,840 --> 01:16:59,680 Seeing none, we'll take a roll call vote. 1746 01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:00,800 Commissioner Smith. 1747 01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:03,040 - Aye. 1748 01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:03,880 - Commissioner McDade. 1749 01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:04,700 - Aye. 1750 01:17:04,700 --> 01:17:05,540 - Commissioner Pruitt. 1751 01:17:05,540 --> 01:17:06,380 - Aye. 1752 01:17:06,380 --> 01:17:07,680 - Commissioner Anderson. 1753 01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:08,520 - Aye. 1754 01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:09,800 - Commissioner Villarreal. 1755 01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:10,620 - Aye. 1756 01:17:10,620 --> 01:17:11,560 - Commissioner Cole. 1757 01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:12,600 - Aye. 1758 01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:14,000 - Chair is also an aye. 1759 01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:16,600 That motion carries seven zero. 1760 01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:23,900 That will take us to 5B, Z22-0014. 1761 01:17:23,900 --> 01:17:25,840 I'll invite Angie up for presentation 1762 01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:28,060 and open the public hearing. 1763 01:17:28,060 --> 01:17:28,900 - Thank you. 1764 01:17:28,900 --> 01:17:29,720 Good evening, Chair. 1765 01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:31,460 Give me just one moment. 1766 01:17:31,460 --> 01:17:37,640 Angie Mingler is Senior Planner, City of Den. 1767 01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:42,640 This is zoning case Z22-0014, Stella Hills. 1768 01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:44,960 The proposed request is for approximately 1769 01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:48,000 84.9 acre tract of land, 1770 01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:49,440 currently zoned rural residential, 1771 01:17:49,440 --> 01:17:51,840 residential four and mixed use neighborhood 1772 01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:54,840 to a zoning designation of residential six. 1773 01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:57,460 It is located on the south side of East McKinney Street 1774 01:17:57,460 --> 01:18:01,080 at the intersection of East McKinney and Laney Circle. 1775 01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:03,640 The subject property has a future land use designation 1776 01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:06,640 of low residential in the Den 2040 plan. 1777 01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:08,640 It is currently predominantly undeveloped. 1778 01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:11,340 There are three single family detached dwellings 1779 01:18:11,340 --> 01:18:13,280 on the eastern portion of the site. 1780 01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:14,640 On the southwest corner of the site, 1781 01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:16,560 there is existing FEMA floodplain, 1782 01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:19,440 as well as a 50 foot wide Atmos gas easement 1783 01:18:19,440 --> 01:18:21,760 that clips that southwest corner. 1784 01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:23,200 To the east of the development 1785 01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:27,760 is the existing Townsend Green development zoned R4. 1786 01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:28,940 I'm sorry, that's to the west. 1787 01:18:28,940 --> 01:18:31,800 To the east of the development is undeveloped R6. 1788 01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:32,820 And then to the south, 1789 01:18:32,820 --> 01:18:36,000 there is existing undeveloped residential two zoning. 1790 01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:38,240 Into the north, north of McKinney Street there, 1791 01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:41,560 there is a strip of undeveloped mixed use neighborhood 1792 01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:43,520 as well as R6 zoning. 1793 01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:47,840 This application was reviewed in accordance 1794 01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:50,860 with the requirements in DDC subchapter two, 1795 01:18:50,860 --> 01:18:52,600 as well as against the goals 1796 01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:55,040 in the Den 2040 comprehensive plan. 1797 01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:57,720 The Den 2040 plan calls for this area 1798 01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:00,120 to develop predominantly as low residential, 1799 01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:03,080 which calls for lot sizes ranging in one acre 1800 01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:05,880 up to five units per acre gross density. 1801 01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:08,120 The proposed R6 zoning is consistent 1802 01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:10,120 with the future land use designation. 1803 01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:11,400 However, it is important to note 1804 01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:13,360 that some of the uses permitted in R6, 1805 01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,160 such as triplexes and fourplexes, 1806 01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:18,120 while not directly consistent with the future land use plan, 1807 01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:20,520 are consistent with the existing development pattern 1808 01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:23,000 and zoning within this corridor. 1809 01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:25,640 The Den 2040 plan also calls 1810 01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:28,040 for providing diverse housing options 1811 01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:30,400 in varieties of density, styles, and price points. 1812 01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:33,760 More specifically, goal HN1 calls for the development 1813 01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:35,240 and maintenance of a housing stock 1814 01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:37,520 that meets the needs of all residents 1815 01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:41,360 to provide an array of choices in type, cost, and locations. 1816 01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:43,640 The proposed R6 zoning is consistent 1817 01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:45,760 with the achievement of that goal. 1818 01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:50,600 This site does have a bit of ESA, 1819 01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:53,480 as well as potential ESA on it, 1820 01:19:53,480 --> 01:19:57,000 as evidenced by the preferred land preservation map 1821 01:19:57,000 --> 01:19:57,960 that you see here. 1822 01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:02,080 Submitted in concurrence with the zoning application 1823 01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:04,400 was an ESA field assessment. 1824 01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:06,800 Along the southern portion of the subject property, 1825 01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:08,960 there are potential riparian buffers, 1826 01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:12,440 as well as upland habitat and water-related habitat ESAs 1827 01:20:12,440 --> 01:20:13,560 that may exist. 1828 01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:16,040 Should these ESAs be confirmed, 1829 01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:18,560 any development that is not permitted by right 1830 01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:23,560 in 7.4.7 of the DDC would require review and approval 1831 01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:26,400 of an alt ESA plan by city council. 1832 01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:28,960 At this time, the ongoing ESA has confirmed 1833 01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:31,240 that the potential riparian buffer shown there 1834 01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:33,640 in the center of the subject property 1835 01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:37,560 does not appear to meet the criteria for riparian buffers. 1836 01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:42,160 The ESA map will be reflected to remove that designation 1837 01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:44,200 once the entirety of the field assessment 1838 01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:48,440 has been completed to remove the potential 1839 01:20:48,440 --> 01:20:51,520 ESA riparian buffer that is shown here on this plan. 1840 01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:55,000 This application was reviewed in accordance 1841 01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:59,200 with the review criteria as set forth in DDC subchapter two, 1842 01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:01,280 and staff is forwarding it this evening 1843 01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,200 with a recommendation of approval. 1844 01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:06,240 Public outreach was conducted in accordance 1845 01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:08,320 with state law and city ordinances. 1846 01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:10,960 At this time, we've not received any responses 1847 01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:12,960 to those outreach efforts, 1848 01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:15,760 and a neighborhood meeting for this case was not held. 1849 01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:18,440 Staff is forwarding this to you this evening 1850 01:21:18,440 --> 01:21:20,760 with a recommendation of approval as it complies 1851 01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:23,440 with the criteria in DDC subchapter two. 1852 01:21:23,440 --> 01:21:26,460 The next step in this project will be a public hearing 1853 01:21:26,460 --> 01:21:29,360 at city council on October 18th, 1854 01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:31,400 and I'm happy to answer any questions you may have. 1855 01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:34,200 I believe the applicant is also here with a presentation. 1856 01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:36,240 - Great, thank you, Angie. 1857 01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:38,260 Any questions at the moment for Angie? 1858 01:21:38,260 --> 01:21:42,560 Thank you very much. 1859 01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:45,000 I'll go ahead and invite the applicant up 1860 01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:47,560 for their presentation. 1861 01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:48,400 Good evening. 1862 01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:50,000 If you'll give us your name and address, 1863 01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:51,180 your time will begin. 1864 01:21:51,180 --> 01:21:56,800 - Good evening, my name is Sean Faulkner. 1865 01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:57,880 I'm with the Foresight Group. 1866 01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:00,840 My office is at 1999 Bryan Street in Dallas. 1867 01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:04,680 I'm here, the developer is here as well 1868 01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:06,480 with Allied Development. 1869 01:22:06,480 --> 01:22:08,060 Talking about Stella Hills, 1870 01:22:08,060 --> 01:22:11,680 just kind of a brief overview with current zoning. 1871 01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:15,760 The zonings around us are residential. 1872 01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:17,600 So again, with the comprehensive plan, 1873 01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:19,480 we feel that the residential uses 1874 01:22:19,480 --> 01:22:25,560 with our six requests fulfills with the adjacent properties. 1875 01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:31,080 And then here's our concept plan 1876 01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:34,680 that we have developed showing, 1877 01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:37,540 right now we have 326 homes. 1878 01:22:37,540 --> 01:22:41,620 The tract on the top of the property, 1879 01:22:41,620 --> 01:22:45,000 that's a seller retained property, 1880 01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:46,880 we'll probably be developing that, 1881 01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:50,600 platting that as by three to four additional lots, 1882 01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:54,020 but the current landowner will retain ownership of those. 1883 01:22:54,020 --> 01:22:57,040 Right now, with this land plan, 1884 01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:59,960 average lot size is about 7,500 square feet. 1885 01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:04,120 And we planning to have eight and a half acres 1886 01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:05,480 of open space. 1887 01:23:05,480 --> 01:23:09,920 As you can see, we're very concerned with 1888 01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:12,500 cross connections with the properties adjacent to us. 1889 01:23:12,500 --> 01:23:14,920 On the bottom of our screen, which is to our west, 1890 01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:17,220 that's the towns and green subdivision. 1891 01:23:17,220 --> 01:23:19,400 We're connecting to two street stub outs 1892 01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:20,840 that they have provided. 1893 01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:23,120 And we are continuing two street stub outs 1894 01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:26,520 to our east to the undivided property on that side. 1895 01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:31,680 Trails up along McKinney Street, 1896 01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:33,600 there is a, I believe an eight foot trail 1897 01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:36,140 that towns and green is constructed. 1898 01:23:36,140 --> 01:23:37,800 And we will continue that trail. 1899 01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:41,240 On the southwest corner, 1900 01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:43,800 we have been working with city staff 1901 01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:48,800 to add a potential segment of the concrete trail 1902 01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:52,220 that I believe that they're in the, 1903 01:23:52,220 --> 01:23:55,120 about 30% design development stage. 1904 01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:58,960 But we are working with them and we're investigating, 1905 01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:03,080 putting that trail in and helping them with Atmos 1906 01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:04,280 as a part of that trail. 1907 01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:08,720 We'll probably go along the Atmos easement for that. 1908 01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:11,360 Other amenities, we are also looking to put 1909 01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:16,360 a top lot playground area in along our natural buffer. 1910 01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:20,380 To the south of us is core property. 1911 01:24:20,380 --> 01:24:22,680 So that property will never develop 1912 01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:24,420 as part of Lake Louisville. 1913 01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:28,920 Currently, we have the zoning case. 1914 01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:33,920 And as Angie mentioned, we have ESA submittal under review. 1915 01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:36,840 And our current schedule, 1916 01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:39,800 we'll be coming up with a plan in December, 1917 01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:42,960 go through construction plan reviews January to March 1918 01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:47,960 and plan to start construction late spring in this year, 1919 01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:49,680 or next year. 1920 01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:52,320 So if you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer them. 1921 01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:53,160 - Thank you. 1922 01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:53,980 It does appear so. 1923 01:24:53,980 --> 01:24:54,820 Commissioner Smith. 1924 01:24:54,820 --> 01:24:56,320 - Thank you, Chair. 1925 01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:58,560 - I know you said you had a conceptual plan. 1926 01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:00,920 This is a zoning case, and so I understand that. 1927 01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:03,280 On your conceptual plan, you said that's a big priority 1928 01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:05,320 of you guys to make sure that this property, 1929 01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:08,760 if approved, would be developed with connectors within there. 1930 01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:11,840 That neighborhood to your east, or to your west, I'm sorry. 1931 01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:12,680 - Yes. 1932 01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:13,800 - That's all, those are all cul-de-sacs 1933 01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:14,960 with backyards and that kind of thing. 1934 01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:16,360 So I don't know if there's-- 1935 01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:19,360 - No, well, there's two street sub-outs over that side. 1936 01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:20,200 - Okay. 1937 01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:21,040 - That they have stubbed out 1938 01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:21,880 and we'll be connecting to those. 1939 01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:24,800 - Do you know what roads those are? 1940 01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:26,360 - I do not know the names of the roads, 1941 01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:30,500 but they are, I've been out there in their barricades. 1942 01:25:30,500 --> 01:25:31,340 - Okay. 1943 01:25:31,340 --> 01:25:32,160 - And blocking them. 1944 01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:36,800 So they're intended to be extended onto our property. 1945 01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:39,400 - Okay. 1946 01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:40,240 Thank you. 1947 01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:44,280 - Any other questions at this time? 1948 01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:48,080 I do not see any. 1949 01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:49,520 Thank you for being here. 1950 01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:51,400 I don't have any cards in front of me, 1951 01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:54,160 but is there anyone wishing to speak who's here? 1952 01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:56,060 Anyone wishing to speak on this item? 1953 01:25:56,060 --> 01:26:02,200 Okay, seeing none, I will close the public hearing 1954 01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:07,200 and I will open the floor for motion or discussion. 1955 01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:10,120 Wow, and our board is working suddenly. 1956 01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:11,280 Commissioner Cole. 1957 01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:19,520 Thank you. 1958 01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:20,340 Commissioner Cole. 1959 01:26:20,340 --> 01:26:22,040 - I make a motion for approval. 1960 01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:23,480 - Commissioner Anderson. 1961 01:26:23,480 --> 01:26:24,680 - I make a second. 1962 01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:27,640 - Okay, we've got a first and a second for approval. 1963 01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:28,920 Is there any discussion? 1964 01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:34,520 Okay, seeing none, I believe we can vote on the board. 1965 01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:38,800 If we get that option. 1966 01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:46,280 It's not lighting us at the moment. 1967 01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:49,360 Okay. 1968 01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:50,240 Well, that's okay. 1969 01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:54,160 Oh, there we go. 1970 01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:55,760 Okay, we can vote on the board. 1971 01:26:55,760 --> 01:27:11,840 That motion carries seven zero. 1972 01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:16,840 That will take us to five CZ two two dash zero zero one six. 1973 01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:20,440 I'll go ahead and invite Julie up. 1974 01:27:20,440 --> 01:27:23,560 If you wanted to say anything or I can just introduce it, 1975 01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:24,400 it's up to you. 1976 01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:27,880 I'll go ahead and open the public hearing 1977 01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:28,780 while we have that. 1978 01:27:28,780 --> 01:27:32,400 - We don't have a presentation tonight, 1979 01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:35,480 but they are on the agenda. 1980 01:27:35,480 --> 01:27:38,480 It shows that they're requesting to postpone 1981 01:27:38,480 --> 01:27:40,760 to a date certain of October 26th. 1982 01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:42,160 - Okay, very good. 1983 01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:43,000 Thank you. 1984 01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:49,420 So with that, I will leave the public hearing open 1985 01:27:49,420 --> 01:27:52,000 and ask for a motion. 1986 01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:53,120 Commissioner Villarreal. 1987 01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:55,080 - I move to postpone to a date certain 1988 01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:57,440 of October 26th, 2022. 1989 01:27:57,440 --> 01:27:59,040 - Great, thank you, Commissioner Smith. 1990 01:27:59,040 --> 01:27:59,880 - Second. 1991 01:27:59,880 --> 01:28:01,520 - Okay, we've got a first and a second 1992 01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:03,040 for approval of the postponement 1993 01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:05,400 to a date certain of October 26th. 1994 01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:06,280 Any discussion? 1995 01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:11,960 Okay, seeing none, let's vote on the board. 1996 01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:21,960 That motion carries seven, zero. 1997 01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:23,400 That will take us to our Planning 1998 01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:25,480 and Zoning Commission matrix. 1999 01:28:25,480 --> 01:28:27,620 And I will turn it over to Haley. 2000 01:28:27,620 --> 01:28:30,600 - All right, good evening. 2001 01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:32,920 We actually have not had any items go to council 2002 01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:36,020 since our last PNZ meeting, so nothing new to report there 2003 01:28:36,020 --> 01:28:37,500 other than we did get our budget approved, 2004 01:28:37,500 --> 01:28:38,920 so we can all celebrate that. 2005 01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:40,240 - Yes. 2006 01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:42,440 - And I did just wanna make sure you all were aware 2007 01:28:42,440 --> 01:28:43,880 that a revised matrix was sent out 2008 01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:45,280 after the agenda was posted 2009 01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:47,400 'cause we accidentally had an outdated copy on there. 2010 01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:50,000 So you'll see we did have removed several items 2011 01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:52,360 that we've recently accomplished through our boot camps 2012 01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:54,340 and other work session discussions. 2013 01:28:54,340 --> 01:28:56,360 So we're happy to consider adding anything else 2014 01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:57,240 that you all may have. 2015 01:28:57,240 --> 01:28:58,320 - Great, thank you. 2016 01:28:58,320 --> 01:28:59,160 Commissioner Smith. 2017 01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:00,000 - Thank you, Chair. 2018 01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:01,320 I brought it up in work session, Haley. 2019 01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:03,840 I'd like to be able to have a longer discussion possibly 2020 01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:06,800 about after the TIA presentation today, 2021 01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:08,640 really just a deeper scrutinization 2022 01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:10,780 of how when we see zoning cases, 2023 01:29:10,780 --> 01:29:13,840 specifically zoning and SUP cases, 2024 01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:18,720 that would predicate a TIA having some more context, 2025 01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:21,360 specifically on, I know the impact fees 2026 01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:23,720 are gonna be discussed at a future work session 2027 01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:26,280 there in a boot camp, but having something involved 2028 01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:29,080 in the presentations of this would trigger, 2029 01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:32,240 this does not trigger traffic mitigation items 2030 01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:34,040 that may be required because of this, 2031 01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:36,480 that there's not enough funds to come with that, 2032 01:29:36,480 --> 01:29:38,360 just so there's some more clarification, 2033 01:29:38,360 --> 01:29:40,640 both to the public as well as the commissioners. 2034 01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:43,260 Not only that the TIA does what it's supposed to, 2035 01:29:43,260 --> 01:29:45,720 obviously, which is try to measure 2036 01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:47,240 what generated traffic's gonna be 2037 01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:49,640 and what safety protocols need to be in place, 2038 01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:53,240 but give me some context of whenever a project is ahead, 2039 01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:56,340 maybe possibly what traffic issues we may be causing, 2040 01:29:56,340 --> 01:29:59,400 even though there is mitigation in a TIA in place, 2041 01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:01,760 but how long that might be until that's done. 2042 01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:04,520 So more context is essentially what I'm searching for there. 2043 01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:05,360 - Okay. 2044 01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:06,180 - Thank you, Haley. 2045 01:30:06,180 --> 01:30:10,000 - Anything else for the matrix? 2046 01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:13,760 - Tina. 2047 01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:14,840 - Tina Fergens, planning director. 2048 01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:16,720 Just a reminder of the upcoming joint meeting 2049 01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:19,580 that should be on your calendars for next Tuesday. 2050 01:30:19,580 --> 01:30:20,500 We start at noon. 2051 01:30:20,500 --> 01:30:23,760 - Thank you for that reminder. 2052 01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:26,240 Okay. 2053 01:30:26,240 --> 01:30:28,400 Any concluding items from the commission? 2054 01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:30,880 Commissioner Villarreal? 2055 01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:32,360 - And we are still starting early 2056 01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:34,760 next PNZ meeting, correct? 2057 01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:36,120 - I believe that is the plan, 2058 01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:38,880 and I would assume that, yeah, 2059 01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:41,640 we'll get clarification on that at exactly what time, 2060 01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:45,000 but yeah, that will be the plan in two weeks. 2061 01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:45,840 Yes. 2062 01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:46,660 - Yeah, I believe right now we're planning 2063 01:30:46,660 --> 01:30:47,500 for a 3 p.m. start. 2064 01:30:47,500 --> 01:30:48,320 - Okay. 2065 01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:52,000 - As the PNZ convening as the CIAC that day. 2066 01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:54,960 - Right, right, right, okay. 2067 01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:56,760 Any other concluding items? 2068 01:30:56,760 --> 01:30:58,880 Okay. 2069 01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:01,980 I will go ahead and adjourn us at 6.59 p.m. 2070 01:31:01,980 --> 01:31:03,480 Thank you very much, everyone.