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 - Okay, it is nine o'clock and we have a quorum,

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 so we're called to order the City of Denton

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 Public Utilities Board meeting

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 for Monday, October 10th, 2022.

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 The first item is presentations

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 from members of the public.

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 Is anyone in the public wish to address the board?

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 I see none.

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 So we'll move on to the consent agenda.

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 Does any board member wish to pull items A through C?

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 Any item A through C?

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 Mr. Rybeck.

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 - I'd like to pull item C from the consent agenda,

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 Madam Chairman. - Item C.

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 Any others?

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 All right, do we have a motion to approve items A and B?

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 Mr. Cheek moved.

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 - Second.

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 - Mr. Rybeck second, all in favor?

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 - Aye. - Aye.

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 - Carries, item C.

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 - Yes, I have a specific question.

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 If the awarded firm has committed to the personnel

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 to manage and provide technical lead on the project.

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 - I'm just curious if they have committed to that?

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 - Sir, Jerry Looper, did municipal electric?

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 Yes, sir, they have.

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 We have sufficient resources provided to us

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 through this contract for all three phases of it

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 for over the next three years.

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 - Okay.

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 So have they identified those individuals to you?

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 - We have, we've met with those a couple of times already.

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 Of course, we're waiting on the official kickoff

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 for contract once we get it signed.

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 - And you don't yet have a contract.

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 - That's right.

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 - So I've met preliminary with these guys

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 to kind of get some ideas.

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 Of course, we had several with different criteria

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 to vet these guys out too.

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 - Right, well, I understand your kinds of evaluation process

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 and so on and so forth.

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 You've done a lot of work with those guys,

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 have done a good job for you.

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 Because of the length duration and importance of the project,

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 thought it was important to know

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 if you did have those personnel identified.

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 - We did.

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 - I only mentioned this because I've done a lot of projects

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 where that didn't happen, certain things occurred

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 which were unfortunate.

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 Thank you very much.

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 - Yes, sir.

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 - All right, do we have a motion to approve item C?

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 - So moved.

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 - And second, all in favor say aye.

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 - Aye.

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 - Carries.

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 Next item is approval of the September 26th, 2022 minutes.

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 Were there any changes or corrections?

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 Okay, do we have a motion to approve?

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 Larry's moving.

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 And Devin's seconding.

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 All in favor say aye.

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 - Aye.

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 - Next item is consider recommending the adoption

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 to reimburse the capital program expenditures

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 for the bond issues.

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 - Good morning, I am Randy Klingle,

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 the treasury manager here.

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 It's my pleasure to be before you today

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 to give you a brief presentation

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 regarding the capital improvement program

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 for the utilities for the reimbursement ordinance process

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 which is really our kickoff for the bond sale this year.

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 So the reimbursement ordinance is required by the IRS

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 so that it shows the city's intent to spend funds now

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 to reimburse themselves later by future bond proceeds.

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 We generally have the bond sale

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 within 12 months of this ordinance.

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 We like to usually have it in the summer months

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 and then definitely before the end of the fiscal year.

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 And our current debt policy also allows us

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 to have this reimbursement ordinance

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 in this process in place.

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 Today I'll show you the utilities projects list.

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 I will not be going over them in detail.

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 You've seen those throughout the summer

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 during the budget process.

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 These are the budgeted items as is.

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 There were no changes since the budget was adopted

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 by council on September 27th.

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 So we will not go through those today.

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 I'll just kind of give you a summary of those utilities.

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 So the electric projects for the 2023 budget program

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 is $72.9 million.

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 This presentation is also in your backup

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 if you'd like to look at the line items more.

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 Itemized if you will, in your own time.

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 And it's also in the ordinance,

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 the full project list as well.

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 Solid waste is coming in this year

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 at $16 million for their budget.

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 We have wastewater projects for $41.1 million.

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 And last for the utilities, we have $36.1 million.

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 And those again are budgeted items at this point.

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 So for the entire utilities,

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 water, wastewater, electric, and solid waste,

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 we have $166,347,641 as budgeted.

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 And this dollars were most likely reduced

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 as this project comes along

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 and they come back to you with a notice of intent.

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 We will reduce those most likely.

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 They'll have more time to look at their cash on hand

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 and their projects and where they are

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 four months down the line.

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 goes to the bond oversight committee

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 to talk about the GEO bond sale.

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 with a notice of intent for your COs.

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 And then in May, we'll have a parameters ordinance.

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 and the final time we tweak the numbers to go to sale,

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 - Have the numbers changed at all

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 from the bond committee's recommendations?

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 - Not that I know of.

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 the 2019 bond programs.

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 That's what they oversee.

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 - My question is how much will the projected bond project

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 add to the tax burden?

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 - The total, I would need to defer to someone else.

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 I did not have that conversation.

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 but I can definitely get that information

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 back to you this afternoon.

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 - If these are utilities, they wouldn't be on the,

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 wouldn't add to the tax burden.

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 - Oh, so it's being paid?

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 - These are all utility.

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 - They're utilities.

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 - Oh, okay.

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 - So nevermind, excuse me.

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 - That's okay.

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 - So moved.

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 - And a second, and Ben is seconding.

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 - Carries.

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 Consider recommending the adoption of a contract

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 with Techline Inc. for overhead

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 and underground transformers for DME.

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 In a not to exceed amount of $75 million.

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 - Good morning.

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 - Good morning.

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 - Randy Key, DMSP Electric.

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 Okay, overhead and underground transformers, RFQ 8064.

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 I'm in the planning department and DME plans materials,

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 needs, nine months in advance.

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 The demand is for project requirements, lead times.

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 We have 50 active projects requiring transformers.

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 Oh, wait, what?

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 Also for maintenance work outages,

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 transformer failure, damage due to accidents, upgrades,

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 and just normal replacements.

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 Our inventory levels, we have 353 transformers right now

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 in stock, which is extremely low.

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 The lead times right now is up to 60 weeks.

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 Can go all the way up to 150 weeks depending.

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 I believe is at 40 weeks.

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 So industry reports that all 2023 production

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 has been committed.

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 Orders placed today will likely be delivered

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 in late 2023 or 2024.

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 All inventory and order transformers have been allocated

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 to future projects and maintenance.

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 The deliveries have been less than reliable.

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 that you just don't really know

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 when they're actually gonna show up.

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 Higher than expected failures upon testing.

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 So not only are they showing up sporadic,

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 but the transformers aren't as good of quality

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 as they used to be.

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 Price of the transformer units on average

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 has increased 150% with our most used

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 residential transformers increased an average of 267%.

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 - Mr. Ryback has a question.

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 So you test these units when they are delivered?

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 - They're tested before they're sent.

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 - Presumed as much, but I was curious.

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 - What will happen is we will take it,

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 so you can't install it.

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 upon delivery, not a matter of retesting them.

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 for the moment, so have you considered testing

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 upon delivery, even if they're not visibly leaking?

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 - We have talked about that, yes sir.

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 - Mr. Beck has a question now.

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 - Oh, I'm sorry.

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 - What's the shortest period of time?

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 just to be completely honest with you.

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 - So if you're extremely low at 353,

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 then on average, what are you replacing each year?

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 - On average, what are we replacing?

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 So what we have done is we have minimum set

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 and for past years of failure rates,

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 we keep that amount in stock just in case.

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 If that answers your question.

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 - So you're saying basically you try

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 You said a previous year's worth of failures?

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 - Right, of failures, not for what we have on orders

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 for all the projects right now.

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 They're all allocated for projects and maintenance,

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 but our minimums are based upon failure rates

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 and outages for each size transformer.

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 So for instance, it's a 50 kVA.

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 If we normally have 100 go bad,

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 we keep more than that just in case for our failure rate.

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 that the old ones are up to par with?

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 - The failure rate, that's mainly for just any type

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 of outage, so the transformers

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 that's what the minimums are for,

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 but I guess what you're asking is--

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 - Are you expecting a better quality transformer

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 in the future? - Yes.

272
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 - Okay, okay. - Yes, sir.

273
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 - And that should-- - Yes, sir.

274
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 - Improve like that, all right, thank you.

275
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 - Okay.

276
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 - All right, transformers purchased are based

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 on varied electrical demands

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 and secondary voltages outlined,

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 and this is our spend for the next five years.

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 - Okay.

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 - And?

282
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 Any more questions?

283
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 - Yes, Mr. Taylor.

284
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 - Thank you, Chair.

285
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 So this includes new development and maintenance?

286
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 - Yes, sir.

287
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 - And so do you have a pretty good idea

288
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 what the new development is,

289
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 or do you just kind of have this ballpark average

290
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 we're expecting?

291
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 - We have a really good idea of new development,

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 and what the 15 million year is based upon

293
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 is what we do is we look out nine months ahead.

294
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 We have an idea, a very good idea

295
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 of the projects that are upcoming,

296
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 and we get a count of all the transformers

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 that we think are going to be needed for those,

298
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 and that's where this pricing comes from,

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 including the new pricing increase.

300
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 - Okay, so that's no nine months of backlog.

301
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 - Yes, sir. - Just extended out

302
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 five years. - Yes.

303
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 - Okay, thank you.

304
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 - So this contract will improve the situation

305
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 - Yes. - Greatly, okay.

306
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 - Greatly.

307
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 - All right, other questions?

308
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 Do we have a motion to approve?

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 In second, all in favor, say aye.

310
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 - Aye. - Aye.

311
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 - Carries, thank you, Randy.

312
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 - Thank you very much.

313
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 - Okay, we have two items for the board's review today.

314
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 We have the future agenda items.

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 We've got two items to make you aware of.

316
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 Upcoming on the next PUB meeting, October 24th,

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 science will be presenting the water

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 and wastewater impact study.

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 And the next item is on November 14th,

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 you will receive an update on the Greensons

321
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 and the program.

322
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 That ties into the next agenda item,

323
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 which is a new business action items.

324
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 There are two questions that have come forward

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 for the board.

326
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 One is kind of old and one is recent.

327
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 Both of those just providing you an update

328
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 will be included when you receive

329
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 the Greensons program work session on November 14th.

330
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 - So they'll take care of both of those.

331
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 - Correct, and then we'll recycle those off.

332
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 So is there any additional questions

333
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 or items that we need to add

334
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 to the new business action item section?

335
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 Okay, thank you.

336
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 - All right.

337
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 Concluding items, does any board member wish

338
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 to have a future agenda item added

339
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 or have anything to say to the community at this time?

340
00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:49,240
 Okay, then we'll go into the work session,

341
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 receive a report and hold a discussion

342
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 and give staff direction regarding the update

343
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 on the Wastewater Master Plan.

344
00:14:55,120 --> 00:15:10,960
 - Good morning, members of PUB.

345
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 Stephen Gay, Director of Water Utilities.

346
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 We're gonna have Don Atkins from Kimley Horne,

347
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 who's the consultant that's completing

348
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 our Wastewater Master Plan, give you a presentation.

349
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 After he's done, both John and I will be available

350
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 to answer any questions you may have.

351
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 - All right, thank you.

352
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 - Sad.

353
00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,800
 Older and older, you gotta put these things on.

354
00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,720
 Some of y'all may know what I'm talking about.

355
00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:43,720
 When you get in this weird range between how close is,

356
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 so I have like two or three different magnification pairs.

357
00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:53,020
 Yes, I know it, I need to talk to my dad about that, right?

358
00:15:53,020 --> 00:15:56,440
 Okay, I think it's in here.

359
00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:03,760
 All right, we'll just keep this over here for now.

360
00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,720
 First of all, I wanna thank y'all for the opportunity

361
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 for me to be a part of this master plan.

362
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 I actually got my start here in Denton

363
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 almost 30 years ago right out of school

364
00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,000
 as an engineer graduate from Texas A&M

365
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 and it was gracious to get economy as a little

366
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 down the early 90s and got the opportunity

367
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 to work here in Denton.

368
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 And they trained me up so well, I got recruited away

369
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 by Kimley Horn to go back to my hometown of Fort Worth

370
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 and I've been working there ever since, so over 26 years.

371
00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,920
 So it's fun for me to get to come back to Denton

372
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 where I did a lot of hands-on stuff out in the field

373
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 and now I'm coming full circle again

374
00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:42,600
 to get to talk about the big picture

375
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 and setting a legacy of long-term growth for the city

376
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 and how that affects Charles wastewater system.

377
00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,480
 So thanks for Stephen, thanks for picking us

378
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 to do the job, so.

379
00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:56,640
 All right, that being said, let's talk about what,

380
00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,000
 fundamentally, what we're gonna go over to today,

381
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 the master plan purpose, the study area,

382
00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,160
 the flow projections associated

383
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 with those study area boundaries.

384
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 We're gonna talk a big picture

385
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 about the existing system a little bit.

386
00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,400
 Then we're gonna drill down in the Hickory Creek

387
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 improvements and I'll help define what Hickory Creek is

388
00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,840
 and the Clear Creek improvements.

389
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 Then we'll talk about next steps to wrap it up

390
00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:24,800
 and then, of course, if you have questions,

391
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 we're more than happy to entertain, like Stephen said, so.

392
00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:29,760
 That being said, let's talk about,

393
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 just a little definition I put together

394
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 that I think gives a real fundamental definition

395
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 about what master plans are about.

396
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 It provides a roadmap for where, when,

397
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 and what size infrastructure upgrades or additions

398
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 are needed to accommodate future growth.

399
00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:50,400
 The bottom line is it gives not only the staff a roadmap,

400
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 but it also gives the, your public,

401
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 it gives the developers a roadmap and it's transparent.

402
00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,080
 It's one of those things where everybody knows

403
00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,760
 where we're heading based on your comprehensive plan

404
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 and the infrastructure it takes

405
00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,080
 to accommodate that comprehensive plan

406
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 and specifically wastewater infrastructure

407
00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:08,020
 in this presentation.

408
00:18:08,020 --> 00:18:12,320
 Okay, let's start out with your study area.

409
00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,160
 What you see here in the beige color

410
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 is actually your city limits.

411
00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,080
 So obviously we're gonna focus on the city limits

412
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 as part of your study area, but bigger picture,

413
00:18:20,360 --> 00:18:22,840
 what we also have in here in the original study area

414
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 is your CCN boundary, which is in green.

415
00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,400
 And that's also, you go, why did you use that?

416
00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,000
 Well, part of it is, is your impact fee,

417
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 that's your current boundary

418
00:18:31,360 --> 00:18:33,280
 for your impact fee study program

419
00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,340
 that's been going on for over 20 years now.

420
00:18:35,340 --> 00:18:37,760
 So we wanna be consistent with that.

421
00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:42,680
 But what's unique and what's occurred fairly recently

422
00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,640
 is significant development that actually stretches

423
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 outside of that boundary.

424
00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:48,960
 So you can see it at the edge.

425
00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,200
 The only major development that you see

426
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 that's actually in the city limits there

427
00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:54,640
 is the Hunter Cole Ranch that you see kind of

428
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 in the southwest portion of the map.

429
00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:00,400
 And then everything else is kind of outside of that.

430
00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:04,080
 And because of that, the staff came back to us

431
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 and said, hey, in some direction

432
00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,280
 from the city manager's office, you know something,

433
00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,560
 let's be looking at something beyond that.

434
00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:14,640
 So what we did was extend your study area boundary

435
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 out to your EDJ.

436
00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,440
 So we needed to still follow a city's official boundaries,

437
00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,440
 but you can see most of that development

438
00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:26,000
 that's out along 380 falls within that boundary.

439
00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:27,500
 And that was a little bit that stretched beyond,

440
00:19:27,500 --> 00:19:29,560
 but almost all of it's within that.

441
00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:33,640
 So we've increased that study area boundary.

442
00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,480
 And you go, well, why is it so big?

443
00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,840
 Well, the big goal here is we wanna begin

444
00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:38,800
 with the end in mind.

445
00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,440
 We wanna know where we're gonna go ultimately.

446
00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,660
 Now it may take 50, 75 years to get there,

447
00:19:44,660 --> 00:19:46,520
 but let's know where we're heading

448
00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,440
 and then we can come back and drill down a little bit more

449
00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:53,920
 on what's gonna happen in the next five, 10, 15, 25 years.

450
00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,680
 So that's why we increased the study area boundary.

451
00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:00,480
 All right, from there, we transition

452
00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,960
 and we got to do flow projections

453
00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:04,440
 based on those study area boundaries.

454
00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,360
 And you go, well, what do you base it on?

455
00:20:06,360 --> 00:20:08,940
 Well, we first of all, look at the comprehensive plan.

456
00:20:08,940 --> 00:20:11,160
 So we got Scott and his team,

457
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 actually probably this time last year initially,

458
00:20:13,940 --> 00:20:15,600
 and talked to them while they were in the middle

459
00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,520
 of the comp plan and said, hey, we're gonna be doing this.

460
00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:19,840
 Wanna partner up with your team

461
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 so we understand what's happening from a land use standpoint

462
00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:27,000
 and we can apply flow demands to that land use.

463
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,480
 So this is what you see here is just the cover,

464
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,780
 the comp plan, but then what we really focus on

465
00:20:32,780 --> 00:20:35,320
 and get data from is the future land use plan,

466
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 which is the map you see here.

467
00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,360
 What's really unique about this,

468
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 the areas you see in green, those are areas

469
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,340
 that are kind of outside of the area

470
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 where there's not a defined land use type

471
00:20:48,820 --> 00:20:50,680
 beyond just ag and rural.

472
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 So that's why you see a significant green area

473
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,200
 and that's where the development we're seeing

474
00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:57,440
 is occurring to some degree.

475
00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,520
 So we'll talk about that and drill down

476
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,540
 and add a little bit more detail

477
00:21:01,540 --> 00:21:03,180
 when we do our flow projections.

478
00:21:03,180 --> 00:21:08,960
 And the one thing that we do in these particular areas

479
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,920
 is look at the variable units of development

480
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 and I'll talk about that.

481
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,080
 We're gonna talk about, we're gonna give you a flow ranges

482
00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,720
 from a low end flow which focuses on the green you see today

483
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,040
 so it matches your comp plan exactly.

484
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,720
 But then we also, because we see a lot of the development

485
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,360
 that's coming in out there is more of a low residential

486
00:21:28,360 --> 00:21:30,520
 land use type that y'all have defined.

487
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,880
 And so we also applied that to give a hypothetical

488
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,140
 what it could be if all of it went

489
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 to a low residential type land use.

490
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,460
 And we can talk about that a little bit more

491
00:21:41,460 --> 00:21:43,280
 as we get into it.

492
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,720
 Okay, so existing flows today,

493
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,000
 the green area you see here is where y'all serve folks

494
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,740
 with wastewater today.

495
00:21:51,740 --> 00:21:54,080
 And we put out flow monitoring devices

496
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,040
 and you have them at the treatment plant

497
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 that we know that there's 13 MGD or million gallons per day

498
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,080
 of average daily flow that comes

499
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,740
 to your treatment plant every day on average.

500
00:22:05,740 --> 00:22:09,040
 So that's the defined area

501
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,800
 that that represents here in green.

502
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:16,260
 Now what we've done is expanded out to add in

503
00:22:16,260 --> 00:22:20,300
 and using the land use plan and future flow projections,

504
00:22:20,300 --> 00:22:23,240
 what you would see added to the system

505
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,560
 would be between 40 and 46 million gallons a day

506
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,640
 if you completely built out

507
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,640
 to your current city limits line.

508
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,980
 And then I go to that other green area

509
00:22:34,980 --> 00:22:36,480
 that we talked about a little bit earlier,

510
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,360
 you would add another flow range from 13 up to 34.

511
00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:42,120
 And you're like, what's the range here?

512
00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:46,240
 Once again, it's that ag rural is the lower end 13.

513
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,440
 You can think about it, the density of use

514
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,880
 is not near as much as if all of that went low residential

515
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,280
 and that bumps that number up to about 34

516
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,240
 in that particular area.

517
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,120
 And you see that we're adding the totals up

518
00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:00,400
 up there in the upper left corner

519
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,400
 of what this is adding up to for the whole system.

520
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,940
 And then lastly, we extend out to the, yes, sir.

521
00:23:06,940 --> 00:23:08,720
 - Just a quick interjection.

522
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,300
 So if an industrial facility that was going to use a lot

523
00:23:12,300 --> 00:23:15,640
 of water in its process were to be added to the mix

524
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,600
 in some of these outlying areas,

525
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,160
 would that push it beyond the high end?

526
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:21,000
 - It could.

527
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:23,840
 Industrial is interesting

528
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,540
 'cause there's a huge variability in industrial

529
00:23:26,540 --> 00:23:28,360
 as you're pointing that out.

530
00:23:28,360 --> 00:23:30,400
 If you think about a warehouse facility,

531
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,720
 it may have a few offices that's actually

532
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,620
 a much lower usage, but then you can have a,

533
00:23:35,620 --> 00:23:38,920
 let's say a data center that's a water-cooled data center

534
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,660
 that could drive the number up four times as much.

535
00:23:42,660 --> 00:23:46,320
 So that's the good thing of why you visit this

536
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,180
 on a regular basis or working with the planning folks

537
00:23:49,180 --> 00:23:50,960
 when they know somebody's coming in,

538
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,720
 it's kind of one of those things you have to kind of sidebar

539
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,880
 and stop down and go, okay,

540
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,680
 what kind of change does this affect?

541
00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,320
 And this is where Stephen and his team working

542
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,000
 with the planning group on a regular basis

543
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,520
 on what kind of development comes in,

544
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,800
 will kind of deviate over and go, okay,

545
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,280
 this is a special case, if you will,

546
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,560
 compared to what the current land use plan says.

547
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:12,920
 - Thank you. - Sure.

548
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,860
 - So are you gonna tell us eventually the maximum capacity?

549
00:24:16,860 --> 00:24:19,400
 - Yes, we're heading, yeah.

550
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:20,760
 Hang with me a little bit.

551
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,640
 We're gonna, I think I'm gonna,

552
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,920
 I think we'll cover the things at a high level.

553
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:26,880
 We're not getting into the weeds,

554
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,060
 but I'm trying to stay high level,

555
00:24:28,060 --> 00:24:29,200
 but it'd give you enough detail

556
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:30,600
 to see where we're heading here.

557
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,080
 - So along the same lines, not just industrial.

558
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,840
 So a single family, is that the highest kind of use

559
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,120
 per acre of typical uses?

560
00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:41,400
 - On average, it can be, yeah.

561
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:42,880
 That's why it's kind of used.

562
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,600
 Plus, that's predominantly the type of land use

563
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,520
 that comes out into these areas, more than likely.

564
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,840
 It's the, hey, I'd like to live in my nice subdivision

565
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,000
 out in the suburbs, if you will.

566
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,640
 We think moving into town's kind of nice too,

567
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,560
 but it's still kind of the culture we're in

568
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:00,840
 in the North Texas area.

569
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,840
 - And just to understand, what is,

570
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,280
 if all of the city limits or all of the CCN built out,

571
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,600
 do you have a population number of what that would...

572
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,800
 - God, I don't know if y'all projected

573
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,760
 a built out population number, have you?

574
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,240
 - Well, especially not with the ag, and it wouldn't apply

575
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,720
 to, you know, we can come up with a number.

576
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,440
 - Well, I was just wondering if in your modeling,

577
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,720
 if you're modeling single family homes, you say, okay,

578
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,520
 well now we have another 100,000 acres

579
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:30,760
 of single family homes, that equals...

580
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,360
 - Yeah, we could absolutely use the assumptions

581
00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:35,760
 that Scott's team does and come up with that number.

582
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,000
 It's so choose.

583
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,560
 - And I might just add one piece to this.

584
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,120
 Scott McDonald, director of development services.

585
00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:43,560
 This is so very fluid, no pun intended.

586
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,440
 It just, the reality of the environment

587
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:47,920
 in which we're in today,

588
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:52,920
 the muds are potentially bringing 10,000, 20,000 new homes.

589
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:57,720
 So new single families that we weren't accounting for

590
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,920
 literally over a year ago.

591
00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:03,120
 So this transition has been happening very rapidly.

592
00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:06,920
 So for the team to be able to walk through

593
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,760
 and try to go through this process

594
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,920
 as we're looking at low density agricultural land,

595
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:17,080
 all of a sudden seeing more high density, it's a challenge.

596
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,640
 So the population numbers are unknown

597
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,680
 and they can change very rapidly.

598
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,400
 Like I say, if you talk about 20,000 rooftops

599
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,480
 that we didn't accommodate for,

600
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,240
 let alone any other industrial that may occur.

601
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,040
 - Okay, and those muds are the ones

602
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,600
 that are outside the CCN area?

603
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,000
 - Some are within.

604
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,520
 - Those are the boxes on the previous...

605
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,200
 - Yes. - Okay, thank you.

606
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,480
 - I'll illustrate a little bit more.

607
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,120
 We can talk about that as we move through the presentation.

608
00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:49,640
 Okay, so these are the big picture flows

609
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,400
 based on the study area boundaries that you see here.

610
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,080
 What we're doing now is we're gonna transition

611
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:59,640
 to wastewater basins and how those associate with this.

612
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:00,680
 And you're like, what are those?

613
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,120
 I'm gonna explain that here in just a second.

614
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:06,560
 So, okay, we've converted the same flow numbers,

615
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,400
 the same flow ranges you saw on the previous slide,

616
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,120
 but now the outlines you see here are different shape

617
00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:14,080
 and you're like, what is that?

618
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,280
 So what we're looking at here

619
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,920
 are wastewater drainage basins, if you will.

620
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,280
 And you're like, what is that?

621
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:21,680
 The wastewater drainage basins,

622
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,840
 basically they mimic your stormwater basins

623
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,960
 or the stormwater watershed.

624
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,320
 So if you see the names in here, you go,

625
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:30,680
 hey, I see Pecan Creek.

626
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,600
 I know that's the creek that runs through town.

627
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,280
 So we mimic that.

628
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,920
 And so the major collector mains that run through town

629
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:41,000
 basically run parallel to the Pecan Creek through town.

630
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,720
 And then of course, south of town,

631
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,680
 the big Hickory Creek line that runs south of town,

632
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,320
 we parallel that with our collection mains.

633
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,440
 And I'll illustrate that here in just a minute.

634
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,960
 And of course, the Cooper Creek is north part of town here

635
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:55,800
 inside the loop.

636
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,800
 And then of course, the Clear Creek is the big basin

637
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,040
 to the north.

638
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:00,760
 And then one thing I wanted to point out here

639
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,600
 that I wanna talk about in a little bit more details,

640
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,880
 you see that kind of the,

641
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,680
 I'll kind of pull up our pointer here.

642
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,640
 The little area you see up here, the dash yellow,

643
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:13,480
 I'm gonna talk about that.

644
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:14,320
 There's a nuance.

645
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,880
 That's actually a sub basin,

646
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,800
 sub drainage basin of Clear Creek

647
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,800
 that actually right now the sanitary sewer up in that area,

648
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,560
 actually we pump back over into Pecan Creek

649
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,440
 'cause you only have one treatment plant today

650
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,240
 that sits in the Pecan Creek.

651
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,000
 I'll give you a little bit more detail about that too.

652
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:37,200
 Okay.

653
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,080
 Okay, so we're gonna drill down a little bit

654
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,600
 into the existing system a little bit more here.

655
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,560
 So we talked about the Pecan Creek basin earlier,

656
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,800
 and you can see the green line in here

657
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,040
 are gravity conveyance lines or collection lines

658
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,080
 that basically parallel your current Pecan Creek

659
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,520
 and traveled down to the treatment plant,

660
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,280
 which sits here, the wastewater treatment plant,

661
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,500
 which is the Pecan Creek water reclamation plant

662
00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:01,340
 that sits here.

663
00:29:01,340 --> 00:29:03,120
 And the other green lines that you see,

664
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:08,120
 gravity flow wastewater to that plant.

665
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,300
 Now the other place you also see these little red triangles

666
00:29:12,300 --> 00:29:13,320
 and what those are,

667
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,020
 those also collect wastewater flows

668
00:29:16,020 --> 00:29:17,440
 like for down here where I'm pointing out,

669
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,240
 that's the Hickory Creek basin.

670
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,560
 And the green line you see that runs parallel

671
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,480
 to the Hickory Creek is a gravity main,

672
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,280
 large gravity main that collects

673
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,760
 and then collects into what we call

674
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,880
 the Hickory Creek lift station.

675
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,280
 And what we do is we lift or pump wastewater

676
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,180
 in this red line back over to where it can gravity

677
00:29:37,180 --> 00:29:39,560
 the rest of the way back to the plant.

678
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,000
 So every little triangle you see

679
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,880
 is a lift station that pumps back over in Pecan Creek

680
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,620
 and the same thing up here.

681
00:29:47,620 --> 00:29:50,840
 So to kind of give you some pictures a little bit here,

682
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,680
 you can't see them exactly on this one

683
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:53,720
 because they're up,

684
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,960
 they're fairly small in this aerial photo,

685
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,880
 but you've got the border cowboy lift station.

686
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,640
 You've also got the TA Union 76 lift station.

687
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,680
 They've been up here for a number of years.

688
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,160
 - They're not called that anymore.

689
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:07,360
 - They aren't, they aren't.

690
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,760
 That's what they're named in our stuff,

691
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,480
 but there's a legacy to those names.

692
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,920
 Yeah, we carry the legacy names

693
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,120
 just 'cause it kind of stuck.

694
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:18,800
 So that's what those are.

695
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,800
 Yeah, the truck stops,

696
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,360
 don't call themselves that anymore,

697
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,560
 but our lift stations are still called that.

698
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,400
 So a little bit of history there.

699
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,600
 But this is just an area that shows you

700
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,400
 where they're up near highway 77,

701
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,200
 as you go west to Crum.

702
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,360
 Those were those lift stations

703
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,080
 when they pumped back over in the Pecan Creek Basin.

704
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,120
 And I'll talk about the uniqueness of that

705
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:40,680
 a little bit more in a minute.

706
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,840
 This is just an aerial photo

707
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,520
 of the Cooper Creek lift station.

708
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:49,400
 Sits off Mayhill Road that pumps over into Pecan.

709
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,800
 Talked about the Hickory Creek lift station a little bit.

710
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,040
 That sits down by the, you know,

711
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,520
 where the old Alton bridge is, historic bridge.

712
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,240
 It sits down near that area.

713
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,040
 It's kind of hidden back in the trees.

714
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,640
 These aren't glamorous things,

715
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,360
 so nobody really wants to see them too much, yeah.

716
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:06,960
 (indistinct chatter)

717
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,200
 Well, I appreciate that.

718
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,400
 It's a nice area, it's pretty.

719
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,120
 And then lastly, where do we collect and treat that?

720
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,200
 We collect and treat

721
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,160
 at the Pecan Creek Water Reclamation Plant.

722
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,200
 It's been the only plant you've ever had since the 1950s.

723
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,440
 And the last time it was updated

724
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,920
 to the current capacity of 21MGD

725
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:31,920
 is when I was a rookie EIT engineer in 1993 here.

726
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,160
 So there's been upgrades and improvements there, of course,

727
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,440
 but it's lasted a long time and it's hanging in there

728
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:44,440
 and we'll talk a little bit more in detail on that.

729
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,440
 Okay, so that's the existing system.

730
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,240
 So now we want to drill down a little bit

731
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,200
 on that plant that we just talked about.

732
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:53,160
 And what I've labeled is

733
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,880
 Pecan Creek Water Reclamation Plant size limitations.

734
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,920
 One thing that's unique about it,

735
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,840
 the current plant capacity right now

736
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,920
 as far as treated sewage on an average daily flow basis

737
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:05,560
 is 21 million gallons a day.

738
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:06,680
 So that's what it can treat.

739
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,000
 And you saw that average you all bring in is about 13.

740
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,080
 There's some nuances to that

741
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,920
 due to the fact that during rainy months in the spring,

742
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,560
 the actually continuous three month average

743
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:18,760
 is actually higher than that.

744
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,080
 And that's what you have to,

745
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,880
 the TCEQ or the state requires

746
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,960
 that we actually size capacities

747
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,080
 based on the three month running highest averages

748
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,040
 and that's closer to 15 to 20.

749
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:35,040
 So we're heading towards its capacity

750
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,840
 and I'll talk about that a little bit more

751
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:37,880
 in just a second.

752
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:42,520
 So what are ways to increase the capacity?

753
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,640
 Well, the first thing we have to do is reach out to TCEQ

754
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,400
 and what they tell us based on environmental factors,

755
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,000
 because right now the effluent discharge

756
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,000
 after we treat it, it goes out, it's called effluent flow.

757
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,040
 It dumps out into the pecan Creek directly

758
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,760
 and then that flows down into Lake Louisville.

759
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,560
 So that's how it gets treated.

760
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,040
 And there's a capacity limit based on the stream dynamics

761
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:13,200
 and that you can't discharge any more than 30 MGD

762
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:14,560
 into the pecan Creek.

763
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,720
 So we know it's like, well, our numbers up here

764
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,720
 are significantly higher than that and build out.

765
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,520
 We see the 69 to 144.

766
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,220
 It's like, well, we've got to increase the capacity.

767
00:33:24,220 --> 00:33:28,440
 So what we did was reach out during our analysis phase

768
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,040
 to TCEQ and find out if there was an alternate location,

769
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,520
 we could discharge additional flow.

770
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,320
 And what we came up with is an area that's fairly close

771
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,120
 because instead of just gravity discharging it

772
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,160
 into the pecan Creek now, we're gonna now have to pump it

773
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,600
 to a location near the lake, but that'll add

774
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,640
 an additional 25 MGD capacity to the plant.

775
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,440
 So that being said, we can increase the plant

776
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,120
 all the way up to 55 MGD, which is a good thing.

777
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,280
 But it's not quite enough, obviously,

778
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,480
 if you look at our build out flow numbers.

779
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,840
 So what we have to start doing is looking at

780
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,480
 where else can we put treatment facilities

781
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,000
 to handle the long-term growth.

782
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,720
 And that's part of the thing we wanna talk about.

783
00:34:11,720 --> 00:34:13,800
 One thing to keep in mind when I was talking about

784
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,000
 the increased capacity, the city's already in the works

785
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,040
 on bringing forward, they've programmed in an additional

786
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,100
 five MGD additional capacity to be built.

787
00:34:23,100 --> 00:34:26,120
 And they're in the beginning design phases

788
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,400
 of that particular project.

789
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,520
 So things are moving forward at the plant facility already.

790
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,880
 And you'll see some of the details about that design phase

791
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:38,200
 coming forward probably in the next two to three months,

792
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:39,960
 I guess, Stephen will have some details

793
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,800
 if you wanna ask him more about that particular plant.

794
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:47,600
 So how are we going to address this?

795
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,720
 Let's drill back down in the Hickory Creek Basin

796
00:34:49,720 --> 00:34:51,920
 a little bit, 'cause that's one of the areas

797
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,560
 that we're gonna have to address this particular issue.

798
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,120
 What I did, I'm gonna toggle back and forth a little bit

799
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,400
 just to show you, I've put the city limits back on here

800
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,960
 but I didn't shade it in so it wouldn't cover up some things.

801
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:08,080
 But you can see, I wanna focus in a little bit

802
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,880
 the city limits line you see right over here.

803
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,840
 And when if we toggle on those developments

804
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,600
 that we talked about, we drill down a little bit more

805
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,400
 and we toggle those on, you can see the Hunter Coal Ranch

806
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:25,400
 which we show having a build out or a full development

807
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,440
 capacity, sorry, build outs your whole system,

808
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,960
 the full development capacity here about seven million

809
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,000
 gallons a day on average would come into the Hunter Coal

810
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,320
 property, now it's within your city limits.

811
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,080
 They've come in several, several years ago.

812
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,120
 So we've been planning on those, there's actually agreements

813
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,880
 between the Hunter Coal folks and the city

814
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,020
 on infrastructure for that.

815
00:35:47,020 --> 00:35:51,000
 But the amount of development you see out here in the West

816
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,320
 is fairly new, it's what Scott was talking about

817
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,640
 that's come through fairly aggressively in the last year.

818
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,480
 And so this is where we have pivoted to look at this

819
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,160
 a little bit and what are the ramifications

820
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:06,640
 if all these areas are served by the city of Denton.

821
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,080
 So that's kind of what we're looking at here.

822
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,520
 So what we did was go ahead and add conveyance

823
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,240
 or the collection mains that would be needed

824
00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:16,680
 along with the treatment facilities.

825
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,640
 Now granted, this is fully developed

826
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,040
 so don't think this has to occur in a year or two.

827
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,440
 So this is big picture.

828
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,760
 So what you see is a conveyance of almost $220 million

829
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,980
 worth of work or 0.22 billion of lines.

830
00:36:31,980 --> 00:36:33,600
 You can see they kind of look like creeks.

831
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:34,440
 Well, that's true.

832
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:35,840
 What we do is parallel the creeks.

833
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,040
 We wanna transport as much of this as we can

834
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,820
 at the lowest long-term cost and that's gravity.

835
00:36:41,820 --> 00:36:44,340
 So we're letting nature do the work for us.

836
00:36:44,340 --> 00:36:46,120
 So that's what the conveyance is.

837
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,300
 And then the treatment facility here we show

838
00:36:49,300 --> 00:36:53,100
 to be able to carry the seven, the build out of the 10,

839
00:36:53,100 --> 00:36:55,200
 the 10 number here, sorry, I didn't explain this,

840
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,080
 that little dotted more Western developments.

841
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,480
 If you add it up, all their fully developed flows,

842
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,920
 they're about 10 million gallons a day.

843
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,640
 And we have the additional seven for niner coal.

844
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,400
 And then there's an existing three that's already out

845
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,120
 in the system today we're accounting for

846
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,120
 that gets you to the 20.

847
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,380
 So then if we build a treatment plant to handle all of that,

848
00:37:16,380 --> 00:37:18,240
 it's a little over a billion dollars.

849
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:21,040
 It's significant cost for treatment.

850
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,120
 And those numbers have gone up nearly 30%

851
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,000
 in just the last year.

852
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,400
 - Just like everything.

853
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,520
 - Does that include the TCEQ tolerance?

854
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,320
 - Yes, we have capacity here at that.

855
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,360
 We have some capacity to discharge directly

856
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,700
 into the Hickory Creek at this specific location.

857
00:37:40,700 --> 00:37:45,320
 But then what we've all and as we come back to you all again,

858
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,640
 we can give you some more detail about that other locate.

859
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,820
 We had to reach out to TCEU again and going,

860
00:37:49,820 --> 00:37:52,840
 okay, they won't let us put 20 here.

861
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,480
 We can put about six and a half or so.

862
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:56,740
 I think it's what the number is.

863
00:37:56,740 --> 00:37:58,560
 We have to find other locations.

864
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,800
 We've investigated that there are other places

865
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,220
 in the basin that we can discharge.

866
00:38:05,220 --> 00:38:07,580
 But then we'll also get into some unique things

867
00:38:07,580 --> 00:38:11,980
 about one water master planning and direct portable reuse

868
00:38:11,980 --> 00:38:14,200
 and things where we can utilize

869
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,400
 maybe for future development irrigation

870
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,840
 where you can scalp off some of that.

871
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,120
 That's a lot of detail that we all will get into

872
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,080
 in a future presentation that we'll bring forward

873
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,400
 to this group probably over the next year or so

874
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:26,240
 and talk about.

875
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:29,160
 Okay.

876
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,800
 - So just to clarify. - Yes, sir.

877
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,920
 - The rest would be relifted over

878
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:37,120
 like as treated effluent would be relifted over

879
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,000
 and discharged on the Pekala Creek side?

880
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,320
 - No, we can discharge into the Hickory Creek basin.

881
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,080
 - But six or seven, you said.

882
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:45,960
 - Yes, but what we've looked at

883
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,220
 is trying to move up the other areas

884
00:38:48,220 --> 00:38:51,800
 within the basin itself upstream.

885
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,240
 And then you can pump back up and discharge

886
00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:57,400
 into the Hickory Creek basin and further reaches.

887
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,920
 Instead of, we're limited in pecan already.

888
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:02,000
 We showed you the kind of numbers we were limited to pecan

889
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,720
 so we can't keep going there.

890
00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:05,240
 We've got to find other areas.

891
00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:06,600
 - Just one line straight to there.

892
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:07,600
 - Yeah.

893
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,720
 - So basically you hit tributaries of Hickory Creek

894
00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:12,320
 and you try to, and you put three here and two here.

895
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:13,240
 - Yes, exactly.

896
00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:17,040
 - That's very intuitive, that's exactly what we do.

897
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,680
 And we've got maps and we can show you a lot of that,

898
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,480
 but we could be here all day too.

899
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:23,960
 And I could be happy to talk.

900
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,120
 And I know that's not what you,

901
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:26,760
 y'all got other things to do, so.

902
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,880
 Okay, let me double check on a few.

903
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,520
 One thing that we are doing today,

904
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,460
 wanted to let you point out is,

905
00:39:33,460 --> 00:39:35,440
 we're already in negotiations with the Birch family

906
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,940
 for purchases of the land for a treatment plant there.

907
00:39:37,940 --> 00:39:39,640
 So that's in the works.

908
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,120
 There's our, the Birch property

909
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:47,120
 that's just, it's the, you know, it's, they live,

910
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:51,040
 it's a wedge between 377 and Country Crullover Road

911
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,080
 and the railroad track runs through that corridor.

912
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,640
 - Do you know where my office is?

913
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:55,480
 - No.

914
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:56,300
 - Okay.

915
00:39:56,300 --> 00:39:57,140
 (laughing)

916
00:39:57,140 --> 00:39:57,980
 - I do.

917
00:39:57,980 --> 00:39:58,800
 - Sorry.

918
00:39:58,800 --> 00:39:59,640
 - It just sounds thicker.

919
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:00,480
 - Okay.

920
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,120
 - Those old bottoms, you know,

921
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,960
 and then they put the, they put that substation,

922
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,600
 the electric substation up there on top.

923
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,060
 But those old bottoms on 377,

924
00:40:10,060 --> 00:40:11,320
 where everything just drops off,

925
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:12,920
 there was no quarry down in there.

926
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:13,760
 - Okay.

927
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,440
 - You know where the Hills of Argyle subdivision is,

928
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:16,940
 Office 377?

929
00:40:16,940 --> 00:40:17,780
 - Yeah.

930
00:40:17,780 --> 00:40:19,500
 - Yeah, if you went towards Hickory Creek bottoms

931
00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:22,040
 down in there, it's east of there.

932
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,520
 - Okay, I get the general idea.

933
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:24,360
 - Yeah.

934
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:25,200
 - Okay.

935
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:26,400
 - It's kind of, it's kind of covered up here,

936
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,160
 but you can see the 377s right here,

937
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:30,840
 and that's where Hickory Creek crosses,

938
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,120
 and we're back to the east of that area.

939
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:33,960
 - Got you, thanks.

940
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,400
 - So yeah, yeah, it's the Birch property.

941
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,600
 They've had it for years, the family farm.

942
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:38,760
 - MC?

943
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:39,920
 - MC Birch, yeah.

944
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,520
 - Richard's there.

945
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:42,600
 - Yeah, story with him.

946
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,040
 I was funny, we were doing a water line

947
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:45,760
 for you guys out on 377,

948
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,100
 and we were walking down the right-of-way,

949
00:40:47,100 --> 00:40:49,580
 putting stakes out for doing some geotechnical stuff,

950
00:40:49,580 --> 00:40:51,380
 and he comes out in his pickup truck.

951
00:40:51,380 --> 00:40:52,220
 (laughing)

952
00:40:52,220 --> 00:40:53,060
 - He probably had a gun with him.

953
00:40:53,060 --> 00:40:53,880
 - Of course, at that time,

954
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,200
 you still had a gun rack in your back.

955
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:56,120
 (laughing)

956
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:57,720
 And thank goodness, I was standing on

957
00:40:57,720 --> 00:41:00,920
 Tech Stop property, not his property.

958
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,000
 (laughing)

959
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,100
 And he kinda asked me what I was doing.

960
00:41:04,100 --> 00:41:05,840
 I was told, and he said, "Okay,

961
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,080
 just as long as you staying out here, you're fine."

962
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,200
 And we're like, "We understand."

963
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,520
 So he's a character, so.

964
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,040
 Anyway, okay.

965
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:14,880
 What else?

966
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,000
 One thing I wanna keep in mind,

967
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,300
 let's illustrate to you guys a little bit too.

968
00:41:18,300 --> 00:41:19,920
 You see the big chunk of line

969
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,280
 that's within the Hunter Cole property?

970
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,900
 If that's just serving them, they're gonna build that.

971
00:41:26,900 --> 00:41:30,420
 We wouldn't put that burden on the citizens here in Denton

972
00:41:30,420 --> 00:41:33,520
 to have to build that infrastructure.

973
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,440
 That's the one thing you need to keep in mind

974
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:36,680
 when we do this.

975
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,060
 The impact fees are a part of offsetting the cost

976
00:41:39,060 --> 00:41:40,120
 on the current residents.

977
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,840
 It's about development paying for development

978
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,760
 and paying for this infrastructure.

979
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,540
 Now, the piece you see that's kinda in between the plant,

980
00:41:47,540 --> 00:41:49,480
 there would be a cost share there

981
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,240
 where Hunter Cole's paying a portion of that,

982
00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:53,940
 and then the city's paying another portion

983
00:41:53,940 --> 00:41:55,560
 to be able to accommodate the growth

984
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,560
 of other properties within that area.

985
00:41:58,560 --> 00:41:59,400
 Yes, sir.

986
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,040
 - Is Hunter Cole Ranch doing a special improvement district

987
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,160
 to help offset some of these costs?

988
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,040
 - It's a little bit unique compared

989
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,180
 to some of the others out here

990
00:42:08,180 --> 00:42:11,040
 that may be trying to do their own utilities completely.

991
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,720
 They also, they realize that,

992
00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:17,840
 hey, we're gonna be on Denton system from the start.

993
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,160
 We understand there's infrastructure

994
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,040
 that needs to be built,

995
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,080
 so they're gonna do a municipal maintenance.

996
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,480
 Municipal maintenance?

997
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:26,320
 - Management.

998
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:27,880
 - Management district, sorry.

999
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,360
 A municipal management district

1000
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,240
 encompasses more than just water and wastewater utilities,

1001
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:34,480
 roadways and several other things.

1002
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,960
 And it's a financing mechanism for them

1003
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,620
 to be able to afford their piece, if you will.

1004
00:42:40,620 --> 00:42:42,320
 And then there's partnership.

1005
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,800
 (indistinct)

1006
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,400
 It is in a finance, it's kind of a financing.

1007
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:49,240
 It's a--

1008
00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:51,680
 (indistinct)

1009
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,240
 Yeah, they basically start,

1010
00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:56,760
 there's a tax of the people that live there only.

1011
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,240
 - Yeah, they're issuing bonds and then we'll--

1012
00:42:59,240 --> 00:43:00,600
 (indistinct)

1013
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,760
 Yes, but they are, they're able to issue the bonds

1014
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,680
 and then repay back.

1015
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:06,800
 - Yeah, and it's within--

1016
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,220
 (indistinct)

1017
00:43:09,220 --> 00:43:17,160
 - Yeah, they brought forward, they have a MPC,

1018
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:18,520
 a master plan community with the city

1019
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:19,480
 and then did the MMD.

1020
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,280
 So we have four teams,

1021
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,080
 if this isn't off posting, Marcella,

1022
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,680
 we have four teams internally,

1023
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,380
 infrastructure, planning, administration,

1024
00:43:27,380 --> 00:43:29,260
 all working hand in hand with both of those groups

1025
00:43:29,260 --> 00:43:32,440
 to work through the planning of all infrastructure, yeah.

1026
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,320
 - Yeah, it's significant.

1027
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:35,880
 I mean, I think they're build outs

1028
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,100
 in the 40 to 50,000 people kind of numbers.

1029
00:43:39,100 --> 00:43:42,960
 Yeah, so, you know, it's a quarter of what the city is today.

1030
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,600
 So it's significant.

1031
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,840
 - So while we're on the topic of utility districts,

1032
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,520
 the other, the dotted ones out there,

1033
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,400
 they're outside of our CCN,

1034
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,500
 would they apply to become their own utility district

1035
00:43:54,500 --> 00:43:57,120
 and we're just like a wholesale provider or--

1036
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,360
 - That's part of coming together

1037
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,120
 to talk about this a little bit today.

1038
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,140
 So there's probably a yes, yes, no,

1039
00:44:04,140 --> 00:44:07,400
 and maybe in all of that to answer that specific question

1040
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:11,500
 because each one of these areas is unique to themselves.

1041
00:44:11,500 --> 00:44:14,860
 Let me get to the rest and we'll come back

1042
00:44:14,860 --> 00:44:17,000
 and Stephen can probably address some specifics

1043
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,080
 that I'm not involved in at this particular time

1044
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:21,320
 with regards to some of those,

1045
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,460
 if you'd like specifics about that.

1046
00:44:23,460 --> 00:44:26,000
 That's all right with you, okay.

1047
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,200
 - I don't mean to interrupt you,

1048
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:31,000
 but we got word that Billy can't pick up on our voices.

1049
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:31,840
 So if you're talking,

1050
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,680
 please make sure your microphone is on

1051
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,880
 and you're speaking into the microphone.

1052
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,280
 - Is that a little better online?

1053
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:41,640
 - Yeah. - Okay.

1054
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,800
 All right, that's Hickory Creek.

1055
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,640
 And so what we're looking to do

1056
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,360
 is accommodate portion of that treatment

1057
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:49,960
 is what's the real driver here.

1058
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,600
 We can accommodate a large chunk of that treatment

1059
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:53,960
 in the Hickory Creek Basin

1060
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,960
 that gets us to those ultimate build-out numbers

1061
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,960
 that we talked about at the very beginning.

1062
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,560
 So let's jump up here to the Clear Creek Basin,

1063
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,880
 which is north of town.

1064
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:04,720
 As you can see here,

1065
00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:07,600
 there is no wastewater infrastructure

1066
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,600
 in the Clear Creek Basin today.

1067
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,600
 Anything that comes to the,

1068
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,240
 that's built in the Clear Creek Basin,

1069
00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:16,160
 for example, like we talked about the developments in here

1070
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,440
 and some new developments that are coming in here,

1071
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,560
 they will pump over into the Pecan Creek Basin.

1072
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,520
 And frankly, it's getting close to its capacity

1073
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,000
 in the upper reaches.

1074
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,560
 'Cause the upper reaches of the basin

1075
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,840
 were never designed to continue to carry

1076
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,040
 the Milam Creek area flows.

1077
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,440
 The Milam Creek area flows have always been planned

1078
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,680
 and are planned to go into the Clear Creek Basin,

1079
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,680
 which is what they naturally flow.

1080
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,920
 So you go, what is that, what that might look like?

1081
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,680
 Let's turn on some more graphics

1082
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,640
 with regards to the limits.

1083
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,560
 This is a little bit hard to see,

1084
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,760
 but what you see, I'll turn it off,

1085
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:50,720
 turn it back on again.

1086
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:55,720
 So we have portions of the Milam Creek Basin

1087
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,160
 are in city limits.

1088
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,360
 And then you see a large area over here

1089
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,160
 that's in the city limits that's related

1090
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:07,800
 to bringing water down from Lake Ray Roberts predominantly.

1091
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,960
 So it's like, okay, what's coming?

1092
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,800
 Well, before I talk about the developments

1093
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,400
 in the Milam Creek area and the small developments up here,

1094
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,080
 I want you to keep in mind,

1095
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,760
 the city knew this was gonna happen years ago.

1096
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,440
 And in 2000, y'all purchased over 200 acres of land.

1097
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:29,280
 It looks like a bargain basement price nowadays.

1098
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,760
 You know, wasn't much over a million dollars, I think,

1099
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,560
 at the time, a million and a half or something

1100
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,980
 for that 200 acres for a treatment

1101
00:46:36,980 --> 00:46:38,620
 that was going to occur in the future.

1102
00:46:38,620 --> 00:46:40,820
 So y'all already own that land.

1103
00:46:40,820 --> 00:46:45,620
 So that's a super positive thing that's occurred already.

1104
00:46:45,620 --> 00:46:47,360
 So what we wanted to do is just focus

1105
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,360
 on what it would take to serve the development

1106
00:46:53,720 --> 00:46:56,840
 of fully developed properties in Milam Creek

1107
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,800
 along with these inquiries that have happened up here.

1108
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:01,880
 There's about four MGD worth of build out

1109
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,720
 in the Milam Creek basin.

1110
00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:07,000
 Another one MGD of inquiry up here.

1111
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,420
 Similar to the Hickory Creek exhibit,

1112
00:47:09,420 --> 00:47:14,420
 we added the conveyance or the collection lines,

1113
00:47:14,420 --> 00:47:16,160
 the gravity collection lines you would need

1114
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,640
 to get to these places and then convey down

1115
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,920
 to the property that you already own.

1116
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,400
 And that five MGD to accommodate that,

1117
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,760
 you're talking about $95 million worth of conveyance

1118
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,320
 and about $250 million worth of treatment,

1119
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,080
 which totals to about $345 million.

1120
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,840
 Once again, this doesn't have to happen next week

1121
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:42,760
 or next year, but we're planning for the future.

1122
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:43,880
 And that's what this is about.

1123
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,800
 And illustrating to y'all, this is a big step for the city.

1124
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,800
 We've had a single treatment plant for nearly 70 years now

1125
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,560
 and it's time to start moving forward to where,

1126
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:58,060
 we're meeting it's, we're getting beyond its capacity

1127
00:47:58,060 --> 00:48:00,480
 and need to move forward to seeing other areas

1128
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,240
 to treat wastewater.

1129
00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:05,400
 Okay, so, yes, sir.

1130
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:06,560
 - Thanks.

1131
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:11,560
 So with our existing and then proposed to new treatments,

1132
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:16,160
 are we getting up to around 50 MGD?

1133
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:17,560
 Am I-- - Well, the numbers

1134
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,640
 that we're showing here that I illustrated

1135
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,640
 are focused just on those developments

1136
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,840
 and accommodating those developments.

1137
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,700
 What we'll do when we do more comprehensive,

1138
00:48:26,700 --> 00:48:28,600
 the plan and we'll come back with you guys,

1139
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,640
 we're gonna look at beyond just those developments.

1140
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,800
 Your land use, your future land use plan

1141
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,800
 has a lot of other places to show development

1142
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,200
 and we need to accommodate that.

1143
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:41,760
 So this was just to illustrate the urgency

1144
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,000
 with regards to the development that just has come in

1145
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,340
 within the last year that Scott talked about,

1146
00:48:47,340 --> 00:48:50,580
 that has kind of ratcheted up the urgency

1147
00:48:50,580 --> 00:48:53,200
 that we didn't anticipate when we first started doing y'all

1148
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:54,560
 working on this.

1149
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:58,960
 So we've kind of, you know, kind of deviated over

1150
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,320
 to focus in on this a little bit more,

1151
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:02,880
 but we will look even big picture.

1152
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,460
 So it'll be need to be even more

1153
00:49:04,460 --> 00:49:06,580
 than what you see here today.

1154
00:49:06,580 --> 00:49:08,440
 So just to accommodate the development

1155
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:09,840
 that we're talking about here,

1156
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:11,920
 it's a total of a little over, you know,

1157
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,920
 $1.6 billion worth of infrastructure.

1158
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:16,080
 You know, and you're probably-- - That's a B.

1159
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:17,760
 - That's with a B.

1160
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,920
 Yes, I know it, it's a big number.

1161
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,680
 There's no doubt and that's why we wanna talk to you early

1162
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,960
 'cause we're here to...

1163
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,280
 This is a vision thing, big picture thing

1164
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,920
 that not only y'all is advisory to the council

1165
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:31,420
 and of course the council is gonna have to make

1166
00:49:31,420 --> 00:49:36,420
 some big decisions on how to address these developments.

1167
00:49:36,420 --> 00:49:38,440
 And so that's why we wanna talk about it now

1168
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,080
 when we first hear about it,

1169
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,600
 not when we're done with the report

1170
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,360
 'cause that's not too late.

1171
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,560
 We could redo things, but how about we just do it

1172
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,160
 while we're in the middle of the process?

1173
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,080
 (indistinct chatter)

1174
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:52,920
 Yeah, for sure.

1175
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,480
 - So when you talk about these improvements,

1176
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,620
 are we talking about putting reclamation plants

1177
00:49:56,620 --> 00:49:59,400
 in the Clear Creek and Hickory Creek?

1178
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,600
 - Correct, yeah, I can show you the map again if you'd like.

1179
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,400
 Okay, yes, it'd be, you would,

1180
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,320
 the city would then operate three plant,

1181
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,960
 yeah, two more plants, which would total three

1182
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,080
 and that should get, there's, they would build in capacity

1183
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,320
 in the size of the property that you've purchased

1184
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,340
 would get you to the build out number that we saw.

1185
00:50:17,340 --> 00:50:20,640
 We could get you all the way up to the 144MGD

1186
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:21,680
 if you wanted to go there.

1187
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,520
 So it's setting you up for in perpetuity.

1188
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:25,800
 - Oh, good.

1189
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,000
 - Yeah, okay, yes.

1190
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,520
 - Go ahead.

1191
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:30,760
 - I'll go back or--

1192
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:31,920
 - Well, yeah, just a few more questions

1193
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:36,360
 kind of in this vein, how long does it take to construct,

1194
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,880
 if we own the land, what is our trigger that says,

1195
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,280
 okay, we have to build this now?

1196
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:46,400
 Like, is it the first house building permit in Hunter Cole

1197
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:51,240
 or the next mud or do we need two years or four years

1198
00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:52,440
 to build the infrastructure?

1199
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,460
 - Let's look at Hunter Cole just as a great example.

1200
00:50:55,460 --> 00:50:59,040
 The good thing you can do now that's great about this is,

1201
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:03,660
 well, let's see if I can, let's show it that way first.

1202
00:51:03,660 --> 00:51:04,780
 It's simpler.

1203
00:51:04,780 --> 00:51:07,160
 You're collecting, there's residents

1204
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,040
 that live in Hickory Creek today.

1205
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,680
 So we have capacity in Hickory Creek today

1206
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,280
 to collect at the lift station today and pump over.

1207
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:17,500
 And we'll continue to that.

1208
00:51:17,500 --> 00:51:19,280
 Hunter Cole could come on today

1209
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,840
 with not a whole lot of houses,

1210
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,440
 but enough houses to keep, they can move forward.

1211
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:29,440
 They can, we put in this line right here

1212
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,600
 that gets put in probably first.

1213
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,360
 There are some other lines that aren't on the map

1214
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:35,840
 that actually serve the southern half

1215
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,760
 that actually get into the Hickory Creek main today also.

1216
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,520
 And then they can gravity down to the lift station

1217
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,960
 and pump over and get treated today.

1218
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:48,280
 So we need $40 million in conveyance,

1219
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,640
 that first large conveyance line sized for future growth.

1220
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,040
 - And we'll break down as we bring the master planning,

1221
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,440
 we'll break down these individual project details to you

1222
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:58,920
 if you'd like to know.

1223
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,240
 - Well, and then there's a trigger point at,

1224
00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:02,800
 okay, the lift station is at 80 or 90%.

1225
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,520
 - No longer at capacity, correct.

1226
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,240
 And that's the big trigger point in this.

1227
00:52:07,240 --> 00:52:08,120
 After you build it,

1228
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,060
 there's some trigger points that TCEQ requires.

1229
00:52:11,060 --> 00:52:12,480
 If you're getting so much flow,

1230
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,560
 75% of the capacity, then you start design.

1231
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,720
 And then if you reach 90% of capacity of the plant,

1232
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:21,640
 then you have to be in construction.

1233
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,440
 A general rule of thumb for y'all,

1234
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:28,880
 design on a project to that magnitude takes about a year,

1235
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,240
 construction two, two and a half, depending.

1236
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:36,280
 Now, it's scary right now due to the supply side of things.

1237
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,960
 We've never experienced what we've been experiencing

1238
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,260
 in the last year and a half with regards to that.

1239
00:52:42,260 --> 00:52:46,520
 When that clears, we'd all be millionaires,

1240
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,920
 if I could tell you the answer to that.

1241
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:50,080
 (indistinct)

1242
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,920
 Yeah, but we do our best.

1243
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,880
 We just keep plugging away.

1244
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,760
 It's affecting all of us.

1245
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,560
 So it affects the construction industry

1246
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,820
 and supply of materials needed

1247
00:53:01,820 --> 00:53:03,280
 to construct these kinds of facilities.

1248
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,280
 So it's an interesting dynamic

1249
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:06,920
 where the growth's still coming,

1250
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:08,720
 but this is why we have inflation,

1251
00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:11,920
 is the supply side can't deliver what growth needs.

1252
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,440
 So the price goes up.

1253
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,960
 That's kind of a way over simplification,

1254
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,880
 but y'all understand the economics of that.

1255
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:25,160
 So I will let you know where we're heading here

1256
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,140
 and coming back to you guys.

1257
00:53:27,140 --> 00:53:29,840
 So first big thing we need to do,

1258
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,400
 I think the question was kind of already asked,

1259
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,200
 we're gonna meet with planning and Scott's team,

1260
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:35,360
 talk about finalizing.

1261
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,620
 We've got to throw some kind of dart at growth rate.

1262
00:53:38,620 --> 00:53:41,080
 The comp plan currently right now,

1263
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:42,920
 if you looked at the whole city in general,

1264
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,300
 it's two and a half percent.

1265
00:53:44,300 --> 00:53:46,440
 I think it's what's been assumed,

1266
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,440
 but you can see we have to focus

1267
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,760
 on the infrastructure by basin.

1268
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,660
 And you notice the Hickory Creek basin

1269
00:53:52,660 --> 00:53:55,100
 is where most of that development's coming.

1270
00:53:55,100 --> 00:53:57,640
 So the odds of the growth rate being two and a half percent

1271
00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,280
 in Hickory is probably not true.

1272
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,280
 It's something higher than that.

1273
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,080
 So we're gonna get with Scott

1274
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:07,640
 take a big shot at what we think it might be, right?

1275
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,400
 He's kind of smiling going, oh no.

1276
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:15,440
 So we got to have those and what that allows us to do,

1277
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,200
 we've got some hydraulic modeling tools that we use

1278
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,560
 that not only we use for sizing your infrastructure,

1279
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,560
 but then we pass that on to your staff

1280
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,800
 and your staff then uses that going into the future

1281
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,480
 as a tool for how to size.

1282
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,600
 And when things change, they can get in there and go,

1283
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,920
 well, we don't need a 48 inch pipeline now,

1284
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:37,920
 we need a 54 inch because the data center came in

1285
00:54:38,100 --> 00:54:41,600
 and the land use changed and let's reanalyze that.

1286
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,200
 So we're developing a tool for your staff

1287
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,140
 to be able to use into the future.

1288
00:54:45,140 --> 00:54:48,640
 From after we get the planning numbers on growth,

1289
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,360
 this is when we do our first draft of the five, 10

1290
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,480
 and 25 year capital improvement plans.

1291
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:57,280
 And then from there, one thing that we've done

1292
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,620
 as part of our planning and it really ties to your one water

1293
00:55:00,620 --> 00:55:03,520
 is we, NUGEN Strategies who's worked with y'all

1294
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,720
 for a number of years on the financing side,

1295
00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:08,600
 we have them as a sub-consultant to us to go,

1296
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,640
 how do you pay for this stuff?

1297
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:12,840
 Yeah, there's a big number and there's a list,

1298
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,360
 but what's really important to all of us

1299
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:16,520
 is how does it get paid for?

1300
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,480
 Y'all talked a little bit about your budgeting,

1301
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,920
 they partner with your finance folks

1302
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,760
 while we're doing the plan, not after the fact

1303
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,920
 and go, hey, what effect is this on our rates?

1304
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:29,200
 And that's really big deal

1305
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,600
 and what's the effect on their impact fees.

1306
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,480
 So we'll do that and then of course,

1307
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,280
 at that time we'll stop down at a draft level

1308
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,320
 and have the staff review.

1309
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,120
 We'll come back to y'all again to review and talk about it

1310
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:43,160
 as we're further along.

1311
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,040
 And then of course, council gets y'all's vision

1312
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,400
 and thoughts and questions, try to address those.

1313
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:50,920
 And then we complete the report

1314
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,200
 and then come back to you again with the final report

1315
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:55,860
 and for approval.

1316
00:55:55,860 --> 00:56:00,520
 - So I'm just making sure I understand

1317
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,760
 the financing of this entire project.

1318
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:07,720
 Obviously the developer has to put in their part of it

1319
00:56:07,720 --> 00:56:09,240
 but downstream is gonna be,

1320
00:56:09,240 --> 00:56:11,520
 we're counting on the impact fees to pay us back

1321
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,680
 for the investment we'll put into there, correct?

1322
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:15,920
 - As much as you can and keep in mind,

1323
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:17,640
 impact fees work on a,

1324
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,880
 the state law requires that they work on a 10 year window.

1325
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:22,080
 So think about this infrastructure,

1326
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:25,240
 it's getting built to serve way beyond 10 years.

1327
00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:30,240
 So what you do is you get to recover a 10 year window number

1328
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:33,360
 and then the part of the infrastructure

1329
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,760
 that's sized beyond the 10 years,

1330
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,280
 you then get to recover when we do the impact fee update

1331
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:39,760
 again in five years, you get the,

1332
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,860
 it's a rolling 10 year window.

1333
00:56:41,860 --> 00:56:45,480
 So you slowly recover as development's still coming in,

1334
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,720
 you slowly recover more and more of that infrastructure cost

1335
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:49,560
 through impact fee.

1336
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,840
 Now it's not dollar for dollar, it isn't.

1337
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:54,760
 - It doesn't account for inflation either.

1338
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:59,020
 - Yeah, yeah, and we can, we can build in to some degree.

1339
00:56:59,020 --> 00:56:59,860
 That's one thing that,

1340
00:56:59,860 --> 00:57:01,940
 that's an assumption that we'll need to talk about.

1341
00:57:01,940 --> 00:57:03,840
 The dollars I am showing you here today,

1342
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:05,860
 that's a great reminder 'cause I didn't say it,

1343
00:57:05,860 --> 00:57:08,240
 is it's present dollars today.

1344
00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:11,240
 Now, if I would have done this a year ago,

1345
00:57:11,240 --> 00:57:14,040
 I would have been way under shooting the number.

1346
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:18,760
 So do, do numbers, do these numbers ever go down?

1347
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:20,280
 No.

1348
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,660
 Will they flatten maybe for a period of time?

1349
00:57:22,660 --> 00:57:23,940
 We're hoping so.

1350
00:57:23,940 --> 00:57:25,040
 We're seeing a little bit of it

1351
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,260
 in the construction industry right now.

1352
00:57:27,260 --> 00:57:29,180
 I don't know how many times my estimate

1353
00:57:29,180 --> 00:57:32,160
 over the last six months has been the low bidder

1354
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,440
 on jobs that we've put out on the street.

1355
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:35,800
 It's been pretty, you know,

1356
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,680
 which I've never had that kind of issue before.

1357
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,040
 So we're recalibrating our cost projections

1358
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:41,560
 and that's kind of what's reflected here

1359
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,020
 and why that number's so big.

1360
00:57:43,020 --> 00:57:46,380
 - (indistinct)

1361
00:57:46,380 --> 00:57:53,240
 - That's, that, that's a--

1362
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:54,280
 - That's a whole nother--

1363
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,000
 - Yeah, that's a choice that it's made at y'all's,

1364
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,720
 I won't say anything about that.

1365
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:00,560
 - Okay.

1366
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,760
 - So that's, that's the end of my presentation.

1367
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,720
 I'll be happy to go back and look at any slide

1368
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:07,720
 or I may have just wore you out.

1369
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:09,800
 Don't want to talk about anymore.

1370
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:11,760
 - Go ahead, Devin.

1371
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,400
 - So I just, I have a couple,

1372
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:14,920
 returning to the CCN question,

1373
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,440
 and this might be more for you.

1374
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:22,920
 With those developments that are outside of our current CCN,

1375
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,760
 would we be looking at expanding our CCN

1376
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,280
 or looking at, we're a wholesale provider

1377
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,280
 and they're a utility district or--

1378
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:33,840
 - That really depends.

1379
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:37,800
 We've been talking with the developers in that area

1380
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:39,360
 and they have a strong appetite

1381
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,360
 for us to receive services from us.

1382
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,160
 But what that would require essentially

1383
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,440
 is them petitioning the CCN holder,

1384
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,120
 which is I believe Sanger in that area

1385
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:52,120
 and request to be released from the CCN.

1386
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:54,720
 And Sanger doesn't have any infrastructure

1387
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,040
 in that area and that's one of the criteria

1388
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:00,480
 that the Texas Public Utilities Commission looks at

1389
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,600
 when they consider those applications.

1390
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,280
 So they would have to go through the process

1391
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,720
 and that would be, we would have a developer agreement

1392
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:09,400
 with those communities.

1393
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,680
 You can get released from Sanger CCN

1394
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:13,600
 and then accept service from us.

1395
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,800
 Or if it makes more financial sense

1396
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,560
 for us to be like a wholesale provider, we would do that.

1397
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,760
 But the advantage of having them release

1398
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:26,760
 from the CCN and become part of the City of Denton

1399
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:28,840
 is building to our criteria, right?

1400
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,880
 So we have more of a more leverage

1401
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,120
 to ensure that the infrastructure is designed

1402
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,240
 and constructed to our standards

1403
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,080
 when we're the service provider.

1404
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:38,920
 Does that make sense?

1405
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:40,480
 - Yeah, and would we be looking at

1406
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:44,480
 development by development piecemeal

1407
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,960
 or would we try and say here's the gravity line

1408
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:51,080
 of Hickory Creek and hey, seven developers,

1409
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,280
 maybe you wanna get together and we'll support you

1410
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,040
 in this negotiation with Sanger?

1411
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,760
 - Yeah, Scott's really been the lead on these discussions.

1412
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,520
 I'm gonna let him kind of jump in.

1413
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:03,440
 - He didn't wanna touch it with a 10-foot pole.

1414
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:04,720
 (laughing)

1415
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,880
 - That's why I asked you here.

1416
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,360
 - So it's fairly complicated.

1417
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:14,960
 A number of these MUDs are being proposed

1418
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,840
 with some similar ownership.

1419
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,200
 So we've put all of those folks into a room

1420
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,720
 and we've kind of talked about their needs,

1421
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:25,400
 our needs, our concerns.

1422
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,120
 And it really started with water

1423
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:31,680
 and groundwater is an issue.

1424
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,360
 We have surface water available to us.

1425
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:38,360
 So as we talk about water and wastewater,

1426
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:41,760
 as Stephen indicated, there is an appetite

1427
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,280
 for them to be serviced by the city.

1428
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,720
 Our greater concern is really long-term.

1429
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:50,240
 If something happens long-term and someone develops a MUD,

1430
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,600
 the MUD they're able to develop by right

1431
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:56,640
 through TCEQ or the legislature.

1432
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,400
 So the city really doesn't have a lot of say.

1433
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,240
 So where we have the advantage of having water

1434
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:06,040
 and wastewater services available, we're trying to use that.

1435
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:07,800
 So in talking to all of these.

1436
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,240
 - Whoa, what was that?

1437
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:11,080
 - Computer.

1438
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:11,920
 - The shelf.

1439
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,080
 (laughing)

1440
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:13,920
 - We're good.

1441
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:14,760
 - It's all good.

1442
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,000
 (laughing)

1443
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,080
 - Regroup.

1444
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:23,760
 So we have a great opportunity to be able

1445
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,240
 to have infrastructure built

1446
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:30,440
 through those municipal utility districts at their expense.

1447
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:33,440
 Where ultimately they would be getting services

1448
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,160
 through the city, from the city,

1449
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,000
 and ultimately providing the infrastructure,

1450
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:42,600
 really with a minimum participation from the city.

1451
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,640
 I think that I'm optimistic that a number

1452
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:51,080
 of these municipal utility districts are looking forward

1453
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:52,840
 to trying to put this together.

1454
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,000
 And as we just kind of walk through all of this,

1455
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,400
 it gives us a much better idea of really what they think

1456
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:01,800
 that their uses are and what that density would look like.

1457
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,360
 So they provided all of that modeling.

1458
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:06,720
 Stephen's team's working through that currently.

1459
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,480
 So they've done that in the last couple of weeks.

1460
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:12,800
 As I indicated, this has come on rather quickly.

1461
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:16,880
 To the point it was, I think you'll hear our city manager

1462
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:18,840
 say that we get a new one weekly.

1463
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:20,920
 And it sure feels that way.

1464
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:22,960
 But really it's been every couple, two, three weeks,

1465
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,360
 they'll expand or add some other territory

1466
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:26,920
 into what those muds are.

1467
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:30,360
 It's a very simple tool for them to work through.

1468
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:33,400
 It just takes some time, if that answers your question.

1469
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:34,600
 - Yeah, and I do have one more question

1470
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:36,800
 that might be best posed to you as well.

1471
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:42,760
 Let me see if I have my notes.

1472
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:44,120
 I'm sorry, just kind of figure it out.

1473
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:44,960
 - No worries.

1474
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:49,360
 - Yeah, it does.

1475
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:50,520
 Gets much worse done.

1476
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:52,760
 (laughing)

1477
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:58,120
 - Okay, yeah, I'm sorry.

1478
01:02:58,120 --> 01:02:59,960
 I can't remember what my second question was.

1479
01:02:59,960 --> 01:03:00,800
 - No worries, I'll be here.

1480
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:01,960
 - Thank you.

1481
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:03,280
 - All right.

1482
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:04,120
 Other questions?

1483
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:06,360
 (laughing)

1484
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:10,320
 Other questions?

1485
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,200
 All right.

1486
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:14,680
 What do you need from us?

1487
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:15,800
 Nothing, nothing, okay.

1488
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,160
 - It was merely an update just to kind of

1489
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:19,880
 make sure you understood where we were going.

1490
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:23,040
 We didn't want any surprises to say those are big numbers.

1491
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:25,000
 It's a lot of growth, it's a lot of infrastructure,

1492
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:26,600
 and we just want to make sure we're ahead of it.

1493
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:27,960
 - Yep. - Yeah?

1494
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:28,800
 All right. - Good job.

1495
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:29,720
 - Thank you, everyone.

1496
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:30,560
 - Thank you.

1497
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:34,520
 All right, that concludes the agenda.

1498
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:37,280
 It is 10.05.

1499
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,720
 Do we have a motion to adjourn, Mr. Cheek?

1500
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:40,560
 We're adjourned.