WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:09.420 Welcome to the City of Denton Mobility Committee Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 10 a.m., and 00:00:09.420 --> 00:00:12.960 we're in the council work session room. 00:00:12.960 --> 00:00:17.240 After determining that a quorum is present, the Mobility Committee of Denton, Texas is 00:00:17.240 --> 00:00:22.520 going to convene in a regular work session, which is what we're doing at this time. 00:00:22.520 --> 00:00:27.420 First thing on the agenda is the citizens' comment on the agenda items. 00:00:27.420 --> 00:00:33.280 Each section of the agenda allows citizens to speak on any individual consideration item 00:00:33.280 --> 00:00:35.160 on the agenda. 00:00:35.160 --> 00:00:39.640 Individuals are only able to comment one time per agenda item. 00:00:39.640 --> 00:00:44.160 Each speaker will be given a total of three minutes per agenda item. 00:00:44.160 --> 00:00:50.640 A request to speak card must be completed and returned to the staff liaison before the committee 00:00:50.640 --> 00:00:55.320 considers an item. 00:00:55.320 --> 00:01:04.640 Item number two, items for individual consideration, MC22-025, consider approval of the minutes 00:01:04.640 --> 00:01:06.680 of August 17th, 2022. 00:01:06.680 --> 00:01:10.200 Can I get a motion for approval? 00:01:10.200 --> 00:01:12.240 I move approval of minutes. 00:01:12.240 --> 00:01:16.960 I second and no, I. 00:01:16.960 --> 00:01:22.080 The approval of the minutes have been approved. 00:01:22.080 --> 00:01:29.400 MC22026, receive a report and hold a discussion regarding the City of Denton transportation 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:32.480 mobility project status report. 00:01:32.480 --> 00:01:36.200 Put that on full screen. 00:01:36.200 --> 00:01:37.200 Good morning. 00:01:37.200 --> 00:01:38.200 My name's Barry Heard. 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:42.240 I'm filling in for Mr. Polster today. 00:01:42.240 --> 00:01:48.480 Looking at the first page of the agenda here, you'll see there's two projects that have 00:01:48.480 --> 00:01:58.080 not been on there before, Bonnie Bray segment seven and the outer loop. 00:01:58.080 --> 00:02:01.400 Project summary, this gives their usual project cost. 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:06.700 Moving on to the first project, FM2181. 00:02:06.700 --> 00:02:15.320 This project is very near substantial completion with a traffic switch scheduled currently 00:02:15.320 --> 00:02:19.720 for later in October, early November. 00:02:19.720 --> 00:02:20.720 So that's the biggest thing. 00:02:20.720 --> 00:02:26.640 They've got some retaining wall and sidewalk work to do and as well as some work along 00:02:26.640 --> 00:02:28.640 the median. 00:02:28.640 --> 00:02:33.840 I-35E at Mayhill. 00:02:33.840 --> 00:02:42.840 This project, the 100% plans are due back to TxDOT within the next month and they will 00:02:42.840 --> 00:02:53.600 be submitted for review with the final plans going to be completed roughly around the first 00:02:53.600 --> 00:02:56.120 of the year. 00:02:56.120 --> 00:03:01.560 On this project, the city, the permits are approved and the city's currently working 00:03:01.560 --> 00:03:05.400 as you know on getting those contracted out. 00:03:05.400 --> 00:03:10.040 35E and 35W merge. 00:03:10.040 --> 00:03:18.280 This project has a rate of let date of August 2023 and a let date of September 23. 00:03:18.280 --> 00:03:25.840 It is the goal potentially to try to move this project up if possible and that remains 00:03:25.840 --> 00:03:34.200 to be seen as far as the scheduling with the letting volumes and with TxDOT. 00:03:34.200 --> 00:03:42.880 35 North, this project just received our last CSJ which is actually out of the county to 00:03:42.880 --> 00:03:46.920 the north ending at 3002. 00:03:46.920 --> 00:03:51.240 95% plans are underway. 00:03:51.240 --> 00:03:56.680 Project if you've noticed, if you've driven up 35, probably noticed the right of way is 00:03:56.680 --> 00:04:02.120 being cleared, utilities are moving all up and down the corridor. 00:04:02.120 --> 00:04:04.600 There's a lot of work going on. 00:04:04.600 --> 00:04:12.040 And there's even you may want to notice as you come in 30 back and forth, the change 00:04:12.040 --> 00:04:16.360 in one message signs are advertising closures, lane closures and everything that's going 00:04:16.360 --> 00:04:19.520 on and related to that. 00:04:19.520 --> 00:04:28.040 35W frontage roads, this 30% submittal is under review at TxDOT right now. 00:04:28.040 --> 00:04:31.560 This project's moving along quite well. 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:40.640 The let date right now is September 2024. 00:04:40.640 --> 00:04:43.240 380 at 377. 00:04:43.240 --> 00:04:47.480 This is another project that's under construction right now. 00:04:47.480 --> 00:04:55.160 The if you notice driven through there, the sidewalks and barriers along the roadway are 00:04:55.160 --> 00:05:03.200 nearing completion of that phase. 00:05:03.200 --> 00:05:14.120 The 288, loop 288 West frontage roads, there's 39 parcels to acquire, 19 owners have not 00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:18.480 responded to the letters for right of entry. 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:26.320 So that's where TxDOT's focus is right now is getting those right of entry letters. 00:05:26.320 --> 00:05:35.040 Loop 288 East frontage road, this project has unofficially kicked off with the official 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:44.560 kickoff on the design next week, October 5th, and we're currently working with the city 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:53.800 on potential alignments on the connector portion. 00:05:53.800 --> 00:05:57.320 Bonnie Bray extension to the loop. 00:05:57.320 --> 00:06:04.400 This photo is an illustration, nothing set in stone, but that's the latest that we have 00:06:04.400 --> 00:06:08.320 right now as far as the extension to the loop. 00:06:08.320 --> 00:06:22.400 This is something that is a work in progress, FM 1515, these plans are 60% that has just 00:06:22.400 --> 00:06:28.080 been submitted recently, and those are currently under review at TxDOT. 00:06:28.080 --> 00:06:35.360 The right of way on this project, 11 parcels are in negotiation currently, one acquired 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:45.800 project is scheduled for October 2024 letting, and the plans do roughly one year from now, 00:06:45.800 --> 00:06:48.720 the 100% plans. 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:52.880 As soon as the right of way is acquired, the utilities will begin to move there. 00:06:52.880 --> 00:07:02.920 FM 1173, this is a 3.6 mile project with a new portion of the new alignment over by Loves 00:07:02.920 --> 00:07:15.280 on 35, Bartholdt Road, across a new location back to the existing 1173 on Endicurum. 00:07:15.280 --> 00:07:23.440 This project has just started, there's 41 right of way parcels to acquire, and PATH 00:07:23.440 --> 00:07:33.120 is the consultant, they've started the geotech boring. 00:07:33.120 --> 00:07:40.320 The outer loop, this is a project that has recently kicked off also, the consultant is 00:07:40.320 --> 00:07:47.320 LJA, they're currently working on coordinating with the Corps, because this project goes 00:07:47.320 --> 00:07:54.760 across the Greenbelt and the cities of Aubrey and Salina on their future developments, and 00:07:54.760 --> 00:08:00.600 they're developing a website for stakeholder outreach. 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:08.720 Elmond Locust, this is a project that the TxDOT is currently working on the pavement 00:08:08.720 --> 00:08:17.720 design and it should be submitted back within the next month or so, month or two, per TxDOT. 00:08:17.720 --> 00:08:24.080 35 resurfacing, the project that's going on right now with the resurfacing, if you've 00:08:24.080 --> 00:08:30.600 driven 35 at night, you may have been involved in some of the traffic lane closures. 00:08:30.600 --> 00:08:35.120 Right now all that's left on the outside is some restriping and race pavement markers, 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:44.280 so it should be done within the next two weeks. 00:08:44.280 --> 00:08:50.520 And that's it as far as the report, but I'll take any questions that you have. 00:08:50.520 --> 00:08:57.680 Yeah, first of all, welcome, thanks for filling in and talking with us today. 00:08:57.680 --> 00:09:05.840 So a question about the two kind of new projects that we're seeing for the first time today. 00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:08.440 Bonnie Bray, segment seven. 00:09:08.440 --> 00:09:11.280 This might be a more appropriate question for our staff. 00:09:11.280 --> 00:09:16.000 You know, I'm seeing a stub out to the north of 288. 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:23.820 Is the alignment of Bonnie Bray north of 288 going to change as part of this? 00:09:23.820 --> 00:09:27.420 My understanding, based on the conversations that we've had with TxDOT, is that's just 00:09:27.420 --> 00:09:33.840 a graphical representation north of loop 288 showing that there will be some sort of future 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:38.560 connection in that vicinity, but that alignment has not been finalized. 00:09:38.560 --> 00:09:44.160 These are drawings that were prepared several years ago to show that connection between 00:09:44.160 --> 00:09:50.640 77 and loop 288, so no, that has not been defined at this time. 00:09:50.640 --> 00:09:56.880 Okay, so and we haven't like acquired any kind of right of way like between north Bonnie 00:09:56.880 --> 00:10:02.800 Bray, like south of Elm and like Ganser or anything like that. 00:10:02.800 --> 00:10:07.340 There has not been any acquisition of property and actually this is a project that the county 00:10:07.340 --> 00:10:09.240 and TxDOT are leading. 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:12.160 The city's project will end at 77. 00:10:12.160 --> 00:10:18.120 This project will be from 77 to loop 288, will be a part of the loop 288 frontage road 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:24.640 project and the county is leading that effort through Pacheco Coke and then Nelson Underwood 00:10:24.640 --> 00:10:26.400 at TxDOT. 00:10:26.400 --> 00:10:28.920 And of course we'll be in those conversations. 00:10:28.920 --> 00:10:34.200 We've also had multiple conversations with UNT as this cuts through their Discovery Park 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:39.640 property and we do have, as Barry mentioned, a kickoff next week to talk a lot about the 00:10:39.640 --> 00:10:44.400 loop 288 frontage roads and I'm sure this also will come up as a part of those conversations 00:10:44.400 --> 00:10:46.280 since that's being added to that design. 00:10:46.280 --> 00:10:47.280 Okay, cool. 00:10:47.280 --> 00:10:50.280 This is very early in the process on that project. 00:10:50.280 --> 00:10:51.640 Okay. 00:10:51.640 --> 00:10:58.720 And then on the outer loop, I'm kind of, you know, as I do like some Googling, when I look 00:10:58.720 --> 00:11:05.200 at outer loop, this image is pretty much more or less what I see. 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:08.640 The word loop would imply to me that it's bigger than that. 00:11:08.640 --> 00:11:15.140 Do you have anything to show us as far as like long-term plans for alignment around 00:11:15.140 --> 00:11:18.080 the DFW area? 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:23.320 I don't write today, but this is, as you said, it's part of a larger project on the outer 00:11:23.320 --> 00:11:31.920 loop that covers Kauffman County, Rockwall County, Collin County, who is developing their 00:11:31.920 --> 00:11:39.240 own outer loop and this will, the Denton will tie into theirs at D&T. 00:11:39.240 --> 00:11:40.240 Okay. 00:11:40.240 --> 00:11:44.280 And Councilmember Aguilar, I would just add that the reason why I ask ITS to put this 00:11:44.280 --> 00:11:49.840 as a part of the report is specifically because we have a lot of development projects and 00:11:49.840 --> 00:11:53.400 then also water and wastewater utility relocations. 00:11:53.400 --> 00:11:58.440 You probably remember the large development of the lift station and the $8 million agreement. 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:04.280 So because of the location and where the tie-in's going to be in concert with I-35 and the projects 00:12:04.280 --> 00:12:09.900 that we have going on in that area to move utilities or install new utilities, I thought 00:12:09.900 --> 00:12:12.160 it'd be good to go ahead and kind of get it on the radar. 00:12:12.160 --> 00:12:14.480 It's also shown on our mobility plan. 00:12:14.480 --> 00:12:17.960 But it's not a project that the city's actually leading, it's something that's working through 00:12:17.960 --> 00:12:18.960 the county. 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:19.960 Right. 00:12:19.960 --> 00:12:20.960 Okay. 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:21.960 Yeah, yeah. 00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:26.520 I figured, I'm just kind of, I'm curious as to how this will impact our connectivity 00:12:26.520 --> 00:12:28.000 to the rest of the DFW area. 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:31.760 Kauffman, Rockwall, and Denton County are basically all starting at the same time. 00:12:31.760 --> 00:12:35.000 All the kickoffs have been within the last two months. 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:36.000 Okay. 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:44.200 It's also on the regional plan that COG has, that we've seen as part of the STAC and RTC 00:12:44.200 --> 00:12:46.960 presentations for their 2045 mobility plan. 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:51.440 And if you look on those graphics, and I'm happy to share those with you, you will see 00:12:51.440 --> 00:12:57.680 this entire alignment all the way across those counties, providing kind of a further north 00:12:57.680 --> 00:13:00.260 and easterly connection. 00:13:00.260 --> 00:13:06.280 So it's kind of taking 635 and going out an additional, so many miles, and I don't know 00:13:06.280 --> 00:13:12.440 the distance, but it is that next connection, kind of drawing that circle around the city. 00:13:12.440 --> 00:13:13.440 Thank you. 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:14.440 Yeah. 00:13:14.440 --> 00:13:15.440 I can look it up. 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:16.440 I don't need you to give it to me. 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:17.440 It's fine. 00:13:17.440 --> 00:13:18.440 Okay. 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:21.640 The alignments are all still, there's actually two public meetings that are being scheduled 00:13:21.640 --> 00:13:24.040 for Kauffman and Rockwall in November. 00:13:24.040 --> 00:13:31.680 And then I'm assuming the one for Denton County will be a few months probably after that. 00:13:31.680 --> 00:13:39.040 I guess I had a couple of questions. 00:13:39.040 --> 00:13:46.140 You said that there, explain to me about the letter, you said the letters on this loop 00:13:46.140 --> 00:13:47.140 288 West. 00:13:47.140 --> 00:13:49.240 Over the right of entries. 00:13:49.240 --> 00:13:50.240 Yeah. 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:53.240 And right, that other one with the lime green. 00:13:53.240 --> 00:13:56.880 I think that's what I was looking at when this question came to mind, you had noted 00:13:56.880 --> 00:14:05.760 that you all had communicated with residents and getting the right of entry letters. 00:14:05.760 --> 00:14:06.760 Yes. 00:14:06.760 --> 00:14:12.920 This project has been around since I was an engineering assistant at the area office. 00:14:12.920 --> 00:14:18.720 And I think that may be a little bit to do with some of the non-response of the property 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:23.360 owners there because this project has been talked about for a number of years, but they 00:14:23.360 --> 00:14:28.440 are going back and trying to get some more follow up to get those done. 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:34.960 So we can get in there, the tech stock can get in there and get the geotech information 00:14:34.960 --> 00:14:37.640 completed. 00:14:37.640 --> 00:14:39.920 That's really the key first step in survey. 00:14:39.920 --> 00:14:40.920 Okay. 00:14:40.920 --> 00:14:48.240 So the question becomes, what happens if you all don't hear from those people at some point 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:49.240 along the way? 00:14:49.240 --> 00:14:51.680 What's your timeline on that? 00:14:51.680 --> 00:14:57.120 How do you resolve something like this? 00:14:57.120 --> 00:14:59.040 I'm speaking from my experience in the past. 00:14:59.040 --> 00:15:00.040 Okay. 00:15:00.040 --> 00:15:04.640 If there's 19 here, you're going to get all but two or three within the next few months 00:15:04.640 --> 00:15:07.880 to four to six months, you'll have those secured. 00:15:07.880 --> 00:15:11.440 There may be a few holdouts and those will be dealt with along the way up to the right 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:13.800 of way acquisition process. 00:15:13.800 --> 00:15:16.800 Is that something called eminent domain? 00:15:16.800 --> 00:15:19.460 Is that when that kicks in? 00:15:19.460 --> 00:15:20.840 There's several levels to it. 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:27.200 But the first is you make contact with the property owners and supply fair offers and 00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:31.800 they have time to respond, but yes, it's all part of the state right away process. 00:15:31.800 --> 00:15:41.480 And so when you all make an offer for property and you made the offer like 15 years ago, 00:15:41.480 --> 00:15:43.400 and I don't know if... 00:15:43.400 --> 00:15:44.400 There is a timeline. 00:15:44.400 --> 00:15:45.400 Yeah. 00:15:45.400 --> 00:15:50.720 And so I was just wondering about that if somebody wanted my property and they came 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:57.040 and asked for a future project and they asked me 10 years ago and sent a letter to say... 00:15:57.040 --> 00:16:04.880 So how quickly, I mean, what's the timeline between sending a letter and a project actually? 00:16:04.880 --> 00:16:08.720 I don't want to confuse this with the right of way process. 00:16:08.720 --> 00:16:12.000 This is for right of entry to gain initial studies. 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:13.000 Oh, okay. 00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:21.240 The actual right of way maps will have been developed for the parcels, but that's ongoing 00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:24.520 and offers will be made in the future. 00:16:24.520 --> 00:16:31.040 So the property owner has to be offered fair market value. 00:16:31.040 --> 00:16:32.640 Oh, at the time? 00:16:32.640 --> 00:16:33.640 At the time, yes. 00:16:33.640 --> 00:16:40.000 And so does that state, does that amount change with the years, let's say 10 years ago was 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:41.280 not valued at the same? 00:16:41.280 --> 00:16:46.640 It could, but there's been no, to my understanding, no offers that have been made previously. 00:16:46.640 --> 00:16:49.760 So that's all coming up in the future. 00:16:49.760 --> 00:16:50.760 That's coming up. 00:16:50.760 --> 00:16:51.760 Okay. 00:16:51.760 --> 00:16:52.760 It sounded to me like... 00:16:52.760 --> 00:16:58.360 The schematic has been developed and the process has been developed through a number of years. 00:16:58.360 --> 00:16:59.360 Okay. 00:16:59.360 --> 00:17:04.920 So I'm particularly interested, I'm always interested in the Mayhill 35 project. 00:17:04.920 --> 00:17:07.240 Let's get down here. 00:17:07.240 --> 00:17:14.480 Yeah, and you kind of, I was trying to process that. 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:15.480 Here we go. 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:16.480 There it is. 00:17:16.480 --> 00:17:17.640 I'm always interested in that one. 00:17:17.640 --> 00:17:21.280 And again, tell me how far along we are on that one. 00:17:21.280 --> 00:17:26.520 I know that the property has been purchased. 00:17:26.520 --> 00:17:27.520 What happens next? 00:17:27.520 --> 00:17:29.520 What's going on there again? 00:17:29.520 --> 00:17:35.880 As far as the utility, the right of way is nearly complete. 00:17:35.880 --> 00:17:42.480 There are two parcels that are left in the eminent domain process, the 42 are in position. 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:49.280 So now it moves to the utility relocation process. 00:17:49.280 --> 00:17:53.400 This is the one I think I mentioned the city is working on. 00:17:53.400 --> 00:18:00.000 Their permits are approved for water and sewer as well as DME, but they have a utility agreements 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:06.360 that need to be worked out to get started and the city will contract. 00:18:06.360 --> 00:18:10.400 Look for contractors within the next few months. 00:18:10.400 --> 00:18:17.000 And my last thing is I don't have a question, but I have a comment. 00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:24.180 Just driving on I-35 coming into Denton, I know that the roads have been overlaid. 00:18:24.180 --> 00:18:26.720 I think that's the correct term. 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:33.600 I'm always having a problem looking for the lines in the road. 00:18:33.600 --> 00:18:37.680 All the way just from Louisville, I mean, it's just even coming from Dallas, but I particularly 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:43.680 notice when we get to Louisville, but on up in through to Denton, there are a lot of spaces 00:18:43.680 --> 00:18:48.540 out there on that highway where there's just no lines. 00:18:48.540 --> 00:18:58.480 And it seems to me that there are enough vehicle collisions between Corinth or 407 working 00:18:58.480 --> 00:19:04.480 its way up to Denton, particularly around the Mayhill, Corinth post oak area. 00:19:04.480 --> 00:19:07.960 There's always just a collision somewhere in there. 00:19:07.960 --> 00:19:13.840 Why are there so many collisions that a lay person like me are beginning to observe? 00:19:13.840 --> 00:19:19.160 And I think it's because there's no lines in the road, that's where I'm going. 00:19:19.160 --> 00:19:25.400 As far as the pavement markings and the striping, that's something that, you know, I was an 00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:31.400 area engineer I dealt with, and it's a constant battle. 00:19:31.400 --> 00:19:38.700 I know in the Dallas district, every year there are contracts to come through and restripe 00:19:38.700 --> 00:19:42.120 and put new pavement markings down once a year. 00:19:42.120 --> 00:19:48.280 The good thing is, with the new surface through town, through the majority of town, that striping 00:19:48.280 --> 00:19:49.360 will be complete. 00:19:49.360 --> 00:19:55.140 You've got two lanes striped, the outside lane and the outside stripe will be done within 00:19:55.140 --> 00:19:56.360 the next few weeks. 00:19:56.360 --> 00:20:01.080 As far as a little farther down south, that project was under construction for a number 00:20:01.080 --> 00:20:06.440 of years, but I know that it's been restriping. 00:20:06.440 --> 00:20:14.920 And in fact, I know that TechStot recently, as an interim measure, had done some striping, 00:20:14.920 --> 00:20:26.420 some temporary striping, to address that issue. 00:20:26.420 --> 00:20:28.960 So you all restripe every year? 00:20:28.960 --> 00:20:30.680 TechStot restripes every year with contracts. 00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:34.960 To me, it just don't seem like it, because that's one of my biggest, I fuss about that 00:20:34.960 --> 00:20:39.480 as I'm driving, that there are no lines in the road, where's the lane we're supposed 00:20:39.480 --> 00:20:40.640 to be in? 00:20:40.640 --> 00:20:46.120 That's me fussing in my car. 00:20:46.120 --> 00:20:51.000 You know, as well as getting the contracts, you have to get the stripers in there to get 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:59.120 the work done, and to some degree, you're on their schedule to some degree, and they're 00:20:59.120 --> 00:21:00.120 all over the Metroplex. 00:21:00.120 --> 00:21:07.780 There's a limited number of striping companies to stay in business, and it is a challenge 00:21:07.780 --> 00:21:13.280 sometimes to get them up there, but I know TechStot, from my experience, you just stay 00:21:13.280 --> 00:21:15.480 on them until you get your job done. 00:21:15.480 --> 00:21:21.040 Well, those were all the questions that I had, but I thought I'd just throw that striping 00:21:21.040 --> 00:21:25.740 situation into there, because I know we're supposed to stay on task with what we have 00:21:25.740 --> 00:21:26.740 before us. 00:21:26.740 --> 00:21:32.440 But, you know, I just needed to have some type of answer as to what my personal frustration 00:21:32.440 --> 00:21:33.440 is. 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:34.640 Thank you for allowing me that. 00:21:34.640 --> 00:21:38.800 Did you have any more questions? 00:21:38.800 --> 00:21:44.200 I was just wondering, and if you're not the person to talk to about this, then go ahead 00:21:44.200 --> 00:21:47.800 and tell me, and I can have a different conversation with, you know, maybe next month with John 00:21:47.800 --> 00:21:48.800 or something. 00:21:48.800 --> 00:21:55.280 But, you know, last night we had a work session on our citywide speed study, and I'm curious 00:21:55.280 --> 00:22:00.880 about what TechStot's role in the approval of those recommendations is. 00:22:00.880 --> 00:22:04.640 I know that we need approval from the Dallas district. 00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:05.640 What's the procedure? 00:22:05.640 --> 00:22:08.040 What does the road forward look like on that? 00:22:08.040 --> 00:22:09.040 What's the next thing? 00:22:09.040 --> 00:22:12.480 Yeah, it's a very substantial process that takes quite a bit of time. 00:22:12.480 --> 00:22:19.000 We've submitted the overall results that Nathan has done. 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:25.240 We submitted a copy of the report, the presentation, you know, all of the charts, specifically 00:22:25.240 --> 00:22:30.280 related to speeds on those TechStot roadways. 00:22:30.280 --> 00:22:34.660 We have a follow-up discussion we'll be having with TechStot within the next couple of weeks 00:22:34.660 --> 00:22:40.000 at our regular scheduled monthly meeting to talk about that process, but Travis will 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:43.680 look at it locally, and then it will go to the Dallas district office. 00:22:43.680 --> 00:22:46.620 They'll do a review of the entire process. 00:22:46.620 --> 00:22:50.880 And my goal with the future conversation, and I'm happy for us to bring this back at 00:22:50.880 --> 00:22:55.480 the next mobility committee meeting, is to set those timelines of is this six months, 00:22:55.480 --> 00:22:57.920 is it eight months, is it two weeks? 00:22:57.920 --> 00:23:01.800 But we expect, and Nathan, feel free to chime in if you have anything additional, but we 00:23:01.800 --> 00:23:07.480 expect for it to take a substantial amount of time, you know, six to eight months, and 00:23:07.480 --> 00:23:11.720 I think then the other part of that will be is there will be some conversation back and 00:23:11.720 --> 00:23:14.900 forth based on the recommendations. 00:23:14.900 --> 00:23:17.160 So I want to put a pin in that. 00:23:17.160 --> 00:23:21.040 We just shared that information with them this week since we shared the information 00:23:21.040 --> 00:23:25.520 with you also, and, you know, mentioned to them that we would give them any follow-up 00:23:25.520 --> 00:23:31.960 that we received from council, and part of that goal is setting up that overall timeframe, 00:23:31.960 --> 00:23:37.600 and Barry's aware he used to be the local Denton area engineer, and has worked as the 00:23:37.600 --> 00:23:42.480 Collin County area engineer, and so it does take a substantial amount of time, so if you 00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:47.560 want to talk to anything specific to, you know, we're estimating six to eight months. 00:23:47.560 --> 00:23:50.760 I think that's a good estimate on the timeline. 00:23:50.760 --> 00:23:57.440 What Becky said was totally correct, and just with the ending, the final thing that's needed 00:23:57.440 --> 00:24:01.680 from the city will be ordinances for those speed limits, and then they'll be able to 00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:05.800 get posted at the final approval. 00:24:05.800 --> 00:24:09.940 And the ordinances that we plan to bring back in the very near future after we finish all 00:24:09.940 --> 00:24:16.400 of our conversations will be specific to, if so, choose residential streets, and then 00:24:16.400 --> 00:24:22.280 the other roadways that are not TxDOT roadways, and a separate ordinance for school zones. 00:24:22.280 --> 00:24:27.600 At such time that we make those conversations with TxDOT, those agreements, then we will 00:24:27.600 --> 00:24:32.680 have to bring back an update or a separate ordinance, including those TxDOT roadways. 00:24:32.680 --> 00:24:38.200 Our anticipation is we would be bringing back an update to the ordinance that was approved. 00:24:38.200 --> 00:24:40.520 I think Nathan talked a little bit about this yesterday. 00:24:40.520 --> 00:24:46.960 There is school zone and city roadway and university roadway and TxDOT roadway all kind 00:24:46.960 --> 00:24:49.640 of blended in the ordinance. 00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:55.200 So we're working to clean that up, and Nathan has a huge effort going on to have the school 00:24:55.200 --> 00:25:01.200 zone ordinance be within the right areas of the code versus the residential street, you 00:25:01.200 --> 00:25:06.360 know, city roadways, TxDOT roadways, et cetera, some of those universities be in a separate 00:25:06.360 --> 00:25:09.960 ordinance, and those will come forward at a later date. 00:25:09.960 --> 00:25:15.160 The TxDOT will just be delayed after those conversations have been had, and please feel 00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:16.160 free to add. 00:25:16.160 --> 00:25:19.600 Yeah, so Nathan George with Capital Projects Engineering. 00:25:19.600 --> 00:25:24.360 So one important caveat, I touched on this at a very high level last night, but you probably 00:25:24.360 --> 00:25:26.620 missed it because it's such a footnote. 00:25:26.620 --> 00:25:32.640 So traditionally, if a city is to wish to adjust speed limits in the city, they would 00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:37.480 submit that request to TxDOT, and TxDOT would perform the evaluation. 00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:41.280 City of Denton has taken a more proactive approach that we have studied those streets 00:25:41.280 --> 00:25:44.720 and provided the recommendations to TxDOT for their concurrence. 00:25:44.720 --> 00:25:48.800 So we don't know exactly what the timing will be for that review, but we have, you know, 00:25:48.800 --> 00:25:53.560 instead of going to TxDOT with just a request that's a very broad, you know, you need to 00:25:53.560 --> 00:25:58.880 go collect the data and you need to perform the evaluation, we've done all of those steps, 00:25:58.880 --> 00:26:01.120 so now they're reviewing for concurrence. 00:26:01.120 --> 00:26:05.220 We don't know if they may want to take some additional surveys to validate what they believe 00:26:05.220 --> 00:26:06.720 are 85th percentile speeds. 00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:11.400 There are some differences in methodology based on the contract we have set up for traffic 00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:12.400 data collection. 00:26:12.400 --> 00:26:16.700 So, you know, the approach that we've taken is a little bit different, and they may wish 00:26:16.700 --> 00:26:21.840 to perform some spot surveys to validate the data that we presented to them. 00:26:21.840 --> 00:26:26.040 They may have some questions about the methodology that we applied, which is a little bit different 00:26:26.040 --> 00:26:29.520 than how they perform their studies and document. 00:26:29.520 --> 00:26:34.680 It's a different approach, but the hope is that by sharing all of our data, we've shared 00:26:34.680 --> 00:26:38.960 the analysis, we've shared the calculations, we've shared all of raw data, so hopefully 00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:43.500 they have all the information they need to, you know, perform sort of their independent 00:26:43.500 --> 00:26:46.120 review of our recommendations. 00:26:46.120 --> 00:26:50.880 If they feel needed, go out and take some additional data collection or whatever else 00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:54.520 they might want to do to validate the recommendations that we've made. 00:26:54.520 --> 00:26:58.260 And most importantly, as I highlighted last night, getting them a lot of data about the 00:26:58.260 --> 00:27:02.920 crash outcomes is really important for those recommendations where we saw higher crash 00:27:02.920 --> 00:27:07.800 rates and could make, you know, more specific recommendations about where we need to slow 00:27:07.800 --> 00:27:12.800 folks down to try and start to curb that high incident corridors. 00:27:12.800 --> 00:27:16.920 And then, you know, all of us will have to take a closer look at those areas to see how 00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:21.000 we can start to address the crash trend, because that's more than just an issue of speed. 00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:22.800 It's also an issue of road design. 00:27:22.800 --> 00:27:29.440 Thank you for that clarification, and I had not quite understood that point about us using 00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:34.240 kind of a different procedure than is typical, and I'm glad to hear that we're approaching 00:27:34.240 --> 00:27:35.240 it that way. 00:27:35.240 --> 00:27:36.240 Great. 00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:37.240 Thank you. 00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:38.240 Thanks. 00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:41.240 And the only thing that I would just add is that our point of contact will be the local 00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:46.560 area engineer, which is Travis Campbell, that you've met, and Nathan has been providing 00:27:46.560 --> 00:27:51.200 all of that information that we've been sharing with Travis, so we will go through the local 00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:56.460 area office, although it will be sent to another division within the Dallas district that's 00:27:56.460 --> 00:27:59.960 located in South Dallas and Mesquite. 00:27:59.960 --> 00:28:05.160 So, Travis will be our liaison. 00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:07.040 Travis is really the liaison. 00:28:07.040 --> 00:28:18.440 If there's not any other communication on that point, we will go to MC 22-028, staff 00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:28.060 report, introduction, Bonnie Brace Street update, Three Creek Road, phase three, Ryan 00:28:28.060 --> 00:28:38.140 Road update, 2022 bond package, future items for mobility committee meeting for 2022. 00:28:38.140 --> 00:28:48.400 All righty, well, good morning. 00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:52.160 So we have a couple of items today on the agenda. 00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:58.320 The first thing I'd like to do is introduce our new senior transportation engineer, Ismael 00:28:58.320 --> 00:28:59.320 Bala. 00:28:59.320 --> 00:29:04.560 Ismael, if you'd like to stand up, yes, and we'll have you come forward, maybe tell a 00:29:04.560 --> 00:29:10.780 little bit about yourself and where you come from, and he just started on the 19th, so 00:29:10.780 --> 00:29:13.720 he's on week two, so be kind. 00:29:13.720 --> 00:29:16.920 But we're really glad to have him, so I'm going to turn it over just for a couple seconds 00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:20.920 for him to talk about his background, and then we'll move on. 00:29:20.920 --> 00:29:23.520 All right. 00:29:23.520 --> 00:29:25.400 Good morning, I think. 00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:26.400 Hello. 00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:32.180 I'm Ismael Bala, the new senior transportation engineer for City of Denton, and really excited 00:29:32.180 --> 00:29:35.360 to be here, and I hope I can do my best. 00:29:35.360 --> 00:29:36.360 Anything else? 00:29:36.360 --> 00:29:38.720 A little bit about your background. 00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:39.720 Sure. 00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:45.100 I got my PhD in transportation engineering from UT El Paso, and right away started working 00:29:45.100 --> 00:29:50.440 like for six years, four years in Caltrans, California Department of Transportation. 00:29:50.440 --> 00:29:54.400 I moved from Los Angeles to Dallas a few weeks ago. 00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:55.400 Well, welcome. 00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:56.400 Thank you. 00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:58.240 All those California people. 00:29:58.240 --> 00:29:59.240 I know. 00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:03.200 I didn't want to mention that, but that's why I said like anything else, and Becky said 00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:04.200 like, "Keep it going." 00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:05.200 Thank you. 00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:08.200 That was very nice to meet you. 00:30:08.200 --> 00:30:09.960 Good to meet you. 00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:10.960 Thank you, sir. 00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:14.560 Yeah, we keep getting additional folks from other states all on our team, but we'll take 00:30:14.560 --> 00:30:15.560 them, right? 00:30:15.560 --> 00:30:16.560 I think we will. 00:30:16.560 --> 00:30:18.760 So super excited to have him on the team. 00:30:18.760 --> 00:30:20.620 To help us grow. 00:30:20.620 --> 00:30:25.000 It's a very exciting move, and we're very pleased. 00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:27.960 Brett's done a great job with working through this hiring. 00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:32.840 I know you know it's been almost a year since we've had a transportation engineer, and so 00:30:32.840 --> 00:30:37.520 we're real excited to have him as a part of the team, and he is going to work hand-in-hand 00:30:37.520 --> 00:30:44.620 with our transportation planning group that Pretem Deschmec is leading, and then also 00:30:44.620 --> 00:30:50.320 I would explain that, you know, there are a lot of things that we've had certain individuals 00:30:50.320 --> 00:30:54.760 on staff covering, and there are some other changes in our department with hiring a drainage 00:30:54.760 --> 00:31:00.320 engineer and that individual who's been doing some multiple roles is now going to be able 00:31:00.320 --> 00:31:04.840 to shed some of that load, and we're going to have some of those conversations very soon. 00:31:04.840 --> 00:31:09.480 So lots of things that are happening and going on in the department which are really positive, 00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:13.400 and so we're super excited, so welcome to Texas. 00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:15.920 So then let's kind of go through some of our updates. 00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:21.920 So what I will tell you on the Bonnie Bray Street update, next Mobility Committee meeting 00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:25.760 I will be bringing forward a presentation specifically. 00:31:25.760 --> 00:31:27.560 This will not be a part of a staff report. 00:31:27.560 --> 00:31:32.480 We're going to do its own agenda item, give you an update of the entire project, all of 00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:39.680 the phases, and talk specifically about some recent questions that we've been asked and 00:31:39.680 --> 00:31:43.280 some recent ideas on some of the different phases of Bonnie Bray. 00:31:43.280 --> 00:31:47.680 I'm going to touch on it twice today, so we're going to talk about it in this update, then 00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:51.840 we'll talk about it during the Denton County portion, but just wanted to let you know we 00:31:51.840 --> 00:31:57.160 will have a more specific, as you've probably seen on your work session agenda, we have 00:31:57.160 --> 00:32:01.960 that currently scheduled for the 18th, we're going to move that out to November so that 00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:06.400 we can bring that update to you first, and then bring it to council a second. 00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:08.340 So we'll work through that. 00:32:08.340 --> 00:32:14.200 So the temporary surface restoration on Bonnie Bray between I-35 and Scripture, that was 00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:17.720 all associated with that large water main, I know that we're all happy to having the 00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:24.520 ground that's completed, the asphalt improvements have been continuing all the drive conditions, 00:32:24.520 --> 00:32:29.240 remember this is a temporary surface we put down to help with those driving until we can 00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:31.960 get that overall Bonnie Bray project. 00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:37.920 As you know, it's a part of the Denton County trip 2022 bond election. 00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:43.400 If the bond election so passes, then we will have the funding needed to anticipate that 00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:49.880 start of construction in 2024, and really working through finalizing that design and 00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:52.280 working through that construction. 00:32:52.280 --> 00:32:56.840 There's a few punch list items we're working through on that temporary pavement that was 00:32:56.840 --> 00:33:02.760 installed, but definitely, you know, don't anticipate any additional full length closures. 00:33:02.760 --> 00:33:05.240 I know UNT has been very pleased. 00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:10.600 We've heard comments from the PD, I know Tex thought is happy that we're finished with 00:33:10.600 --> 00:33:15.720 completion in that area, so super excited about having that done. 00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:21.040 Bonnie Bray phase three has been advertised for bid, so that's fantastic. 00:33:21.040 --> 00:33:24.960 It's anticipated to be under construction by the end of the year, and then of course 00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:29.080 phase six, which is that section from US 380 to 77. 00:33:29.080 --> 00:33:34.840 It's on track for advertising, pending the completion of that right away acquisition. 00:33:34.840 --> 00:33:39.600 I think we've talked about this before, we have one property that we're working to finalize 00:33:39.600 --> 00:33:41.960 that acquisition. 00:33:41.960 --> 00:33:46.960 Our timeline is subject to that acquisition, so what we're currently looking at, because 00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:51.480 of the funding that's associated with the project, we cannot bid the project without 00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:54.320 having all of that acquisition completed. 00:33:54.320 --> 00:33:57.520 So when we bring it forward to you next month, we'll talk about our plan. 00:33:57.520 --> 00:34:02.160 We've also talked about should this be broken down to different sections so that we can 00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:04.800 go ahead and start the construction. 00:34:04.800 --> 00:34:09.120 At this point, we have one that's lacking, and so we're hoping, we're working in really 00:34:09.120 --> 00:34:14.040 good terms with trying to get that settled so we can move forward with having that last 00:34:14.040 --> 00:34:16.920 property acquired. 00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:22.720 Hickory Creek Road phase three, of course that's the portion from River Pass to 1830. 00:34:22.720 --> 00:34:27.580 It's currently in the process of having those utility relocations completed. 00:34:27.580 --> 00:34:32.560 We have one parcel that's still being acquired through that eminent domain process. 00:34:32.560 --> 00:34:38.040 We're hoping it will close at the end of the month, not this month, end of October. 00:34:38.040 --> 00:34:40.840 This was awarded to Mario Sinicola and Sons. 00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:44.480 It has a two-year construction time plane. 00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:48.480 We put this in the Friday report recently because we had some questions about access 00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:55.480 to individuals' homes, and so there were some graphics that showed where the future 00:34:55.480 --> 00:35:00.760 roadway is going to go in comparison to where the existing roadway and those access pieces. 00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:03.320 But Mario Sinicola is working to get started. 00:35:03.320 --> 00:35:07.120 They were supposed to be starting this week, and we're working through all their submittal 00:35:07.120 --> 00:35:08.120 review. 00:35:08.120 --> 00:35:11.760 There's a substantial amount of submittals to review on this bridge. 00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:14.000 And then finally, let's see. 00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:21.800 As far as roadway updates, the Ryan Road project was brought to 30% design and placed on hold. 00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:23.800 That was finished, will be finished. 00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:26.840 We are anticipating using the CMAR process. 00:35:26.840 --> 00:35:31.400 That's what we're using on several of the bond projects currently. 00:35:31.400 --> 00:35:32.520 I know you know this. 00:35:32.520 --> 00:35:34.080 We're just reminding everyone. 00:35:34.080 --> 00:35:38.560 We've put that project on hold until we get to a point with Hickory Creek 3 that we feel 00:35:38.560 --> 00:35:42.680 like it's very close to construction so that as soon as that construction is completed, 00:35:42.680 --> 00:35:45.200 Ryan Road can start its construction. 00:35:45.200 --> 00:35:50.720 It's also a project we submitted for that Denton County Trip bond application. 00:35:50.720 --> 00:35:56.120 And we want to make sure that because it's another east-west connectivity piece that 00:35:56.120 --> 00:36:00.320 we don't have both of those roads under construction at the same time. 00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:07.120 And then as far as the overall Trip 2022 projects, I know you've seen this in a previous Friday 00:36:07.120 --> 00:36:08.120 report. 00:36:08.120 --> 00:36:11.880 We just talked about Ryan from 2181 to 1830. 00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:17.240 We did submit to the county bond on that project. 00:36:17.240 --> 00:36:22.680 Phase 4B, which is from 35 to Scripture and then 5, which is from Scripture to 380. 00:36:22.680 --> 00:36:26.000 We just talked a little bit about that. 00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:31.200 Those also were submitted as a part of that bond election package. 00:36:31.200 --> 00:36:37.440 And then the Westgate Windsor Drive Bronco Way, we also submitted that project. 00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:42.700 We're working on some temporary measures to make connectivity to existing Bronco Way and 00:36:42.700 --> 00:36:46.140 Westgate to help improve traffic flow in that area. 00:36:46.140 --> 00:36:51.060 But this full project that needs to be constructed in this area has been submitted for that gap 00:36:51.060 --> 00:36:54.060 in funding as a part of the trip. 00:36:54.060 --> 00:36:58.840 And then, of course, there's been several meetings that have been held. 00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:04.560 But what I wanted to call to your attention is on August 16th, and John's obviously not 00:37:04.560 --> 00:37:08.920 here today, but he did present to the county an updated list of projects. 00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:14.960 That updated list of projects did include Elm to Locust from basically the courthouse 00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:16.720 to 380. 00:37:16.720 --> 00:37:20.000 So really excited about having that. 00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:24.680 That's about a $650 million bond election that the county is moving forward with for 00:37:24.680 --> 00:37:27.600 all the cities within the county. 00:37:27.600 --> 00:37:31.320 And that election is on November 8th. 00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:40.480 And that is what I have for you today as far as the overall staff update. 00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:44.600 I wanted to bring forward the future staff agenda items. 00:37:44.600 --> 00:37:49.460 Obviously, we are going to continue to do the Bonnie Bray Street update. 00:37:49.460 --> 00:37:53.440 The only thing that I would add is instead of it being, I think I mentioned this is a 00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:57.520 part of the staff report, we're going to have a separate presentation on that. 00:37:57.520 --> 00:38:03.000 The citywide speed study update, we gave you the presentation last night. 00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:09.240 It's already scheduled for council on the 25th of October as that follow-up. 00:38:09.240 --> 00:38:14.440 And so I think one of the things that I'd like to say on the next update that we do 00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:21.520 is that we bring forward the communication we have with TxDOT on the possible timing 00:38:21.520 --> 00:38:27.320 of when and how long we anticipate so that we put some parameters around when we expect 00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:29.820 to have that feedback from TxDOT. 00:38:29.820 --> 00:38:31.600 And we can add that as a part of the report. 00:38:31.600 --> 00:38:35.480 So Nathan will make sure that we get that taken care of. 00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:40.540 And then the Hickory Creek 3 and Bryan Road, and then of course the Bonnie Bray, we've 00:38:40.540 --> 00:38:45.940 made those updates, I'm sorry, the bond election, we've made those updates to you today. 00:38:45.940 --> 00:38:49.840 So with that, I know these are kind of ongoing updates. 00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:52.840 I don't know that there's any that need to fall off. 00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:56.360 I don't know that there's going to be a whole lot to tell you on the bond election besides 00:38:56.360 --> 00:38:59.320 it's November 8th. 00:38:59.320 --> 00:39:04.200 But I would tell you that we'll continuously bring any updates on Ryan Road. 00:39:04.200 --> 00:39:08.920 I think the ones you'll receive the most information on over the next several months are Bonnie 00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:14.120 Bray, like I mentioned, the citywide speed study, and then of course the construction 00:39:14.120 --> 00:39:15.560 with Hickory Creek Road. 00:39:15.560 --> 00:39:19.840 At some point when they're actually starting to do some heavy construction, we'll want 00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:24.000 to add some pictures and be able to show you kind of what it's looking like out there. 00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:25.000 But that's all we have. 00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:28.920 So I guess at this time, I'll just take any additional items or questions that you might 00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:32.200 have that you'd like to see added to the agenda. 00:39:32.200 --> 00:39:43.120 May I, Chair, I think that, you know, taking this citywide speed study off of our monthly 00:39:43.120 --> 00:39:45.040 report is fine. 00:39:45.040 --> 00:39:49.420 I definitely would love to continue to get updates about, you know, I mean, an update 00:39:49.420 --> 00:39:55.200 might not come for another six months or more, but, you know, just keep us updated on the 00:39:55.200 --> 00:39:57.420 process with TxDOT. 00:39:57.420 --> 00:40:04.200 And then, you know, do we want the conversation around residential speed limits to be to kind 00:40:04.200 --> 00:40:08.480 of take the place of that, I guess, since it seemed to me in our work session yesterday 00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:12.680 afternoon that that was kind of the next step. 00:40:12.680 --> 00:40:15.740 Do you think that that's appropriate? 00:40:15.740 --> 00:40:19.960 You know, I know that the residential speeds will be something that's going to be the main 00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:25.280 focus of the next topic with council, being that the same individuals that are a part 00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:29.840 of this committee or the same individuals that are a part of council, you know, it may 00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:34.500 not make sense to bring it back to mobility committee, but I'll use your discretion as 00:40:34.500 --> 00:40:36.680 to what you'd like to see. 00:40:36.680 --> 00:40:40.880 I do know that now that we've changed the schedule, I believe the next time we have 00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:45.560 mobility committee will be following the update we've already made to council. 00:40:45.560 --> 00:40:48.560 So you would hear it at council before you would hear it here. 00:40:48.560 --> 00:40:49.560 So logistically. 00:40:49.560 --> 00:40:56.360 Yeah, I'll defer to your discretion that I mean, if it's if I think that is a conversation 00:40:56.360 --> 00:41:00.160 we need to have as the full council and there's no point to have and having it twice. 00:41:00.160 --> 00:41:01.160 That's fair. 00:41:01.160 --> 00:41:03.800 That can kind of come off that way and come off here. 00:41:03.800 --> 00:41:05.240 Sure, we will have it come off. 00:41:05.240 --> 00:41:09.040 The only thing that we will work to make sure that we have is just a really quick update 00:41:09.040 --> 00:41:12.760 is our conversation with text on their timing. 00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:17.720 And it'll be more of an update that, yes, we had that conversation and we know kind 00:41:17.720 --> 00:41:22.640 of the parameters of what their anticipation is, what their schedule and at least that 00:41:22.640 --> 00:41:28.480 you're aware and I know that that'll also be something that we can bring is just kind 00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:30.000 of a follow up. 00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:34.680 The next conversation with council will be specifically on residential streets, but we 00:41:34.680 --> 00:41:39.360 can include as a part of that presentation, just the follow up we received from text out 00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:40.360 as a timeline. 00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:42.200 I think that will be helpful to all of us. 00:41:42.200 --> 00:41:44.200 That works. 00:41:44.200 --> 00:41:45.200 Anything else? 00:41:45.200 --> 00:41:50.440 I'd love to follow up a little bit on the Hickory Creek Road conversation, you know, 00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:57.680 I know that you're aware of the questions and concerns that we've been getting both, 00:41:57.680 --> 00:42:02.840 I guess maybe we should talk about two separate issues, the median break at Livingston Drive 00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:08.280 and then the possibility of like interim safety improvements, you know, for the next two years 00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:14.520 until Hickory Creek Phase 3 is completed. 00:42:14.520 --> 00:42:19.760 What does the process look like for evaluating whether a median break is possible or feasible 00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:22.600 at Livingston? 00:42:22.600 --> 00:42:28.880 The median break at Livingston has been brought to our attention and we are already working 00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:36.040 through adding the median, so we're currently working on the, with the contractor, a change 00:42:36.040 --> 00:42:42.160 order to add that to that project and working on the funding that's associated with that. 00:42:42.160 --> 00:42:47.560 So after that was brought to our attention, it wasn't something that I was aware of or 00:42:47.560 --> 00:42:49.200 staff was aware of. 00:42:49.200 --> 00:42:54.400 We worked through that evaluation and understand the concerns and I know you're aware there 00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:57.920 were several individuals that were actually going to speak on that topic at the last council 00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:02.320 meeting but we were able to make them aware of the fact that we were able to work through 00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:08.080 that issue and so at this point it is in the process of being added to that project and 00:43:08.080 --> 00:43:10.920 looking for the funding associated with that to be added. 00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:17.480 So I'm hoping that, from my perspective, that issue has been resolved. 00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:21.420 As far as the connectivity, I think where you're going with your second question with 00:43:21.420 --> 00:43:26.920 1830 and existing Hickory Creek Road, that's a text dot roadway. 00:43:26.920 --> 00:43:33.320 Text dot does not have any plans at this time to install any type of signal or any work 00:43:33.320 --> 00:43:34.320 at all. 00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:40.440 FM 1830 is not even, or Country Club Road is not even a road that's a part of their overall 00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:45.780 what they call sandbox, which is the list of projects that they anticipate having completed 00:43:45.780 --> 00:43:52.920 in any future timeframe and so currently there are no plans that we're aware of to make any 00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:55.120 improvements in that area. 00:43:55.120 --> 00:44:01.920 Is there any kind of procedure for requesting a three-way stop sign at an intersection? 00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:07.680 As far as that intersection goes, we can bring that up to text dot's attention that we've 00:44:07.680 --> 00:44:16.440 received the request and talk through that with them, but at this time we're not aware 00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:21.960 of any type of three-way stop, signalization, anything at that intersection. 00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:26.520 And I know you've seen as when the future roadway is constructed, that will no longer 00:44:26.520 --> 00:44:32.360 even be that connection, but happy to add that to our agenda to discuss with text dot 00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:38.760 to see if they have any improvement measures that they can recommend in that area, but 00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:41.560 because it is their roadway, we would have to coordinate with them. 00:44:41.560 --> 00:44:44.840 We're only one of the three spokes. 00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:45.840 Right. 00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:53.360 Okay, and we are, I think I recall from last night that we are requesting a reduction in 00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:58.840 the speed limit on Country Club Road though, which will certainly help to address those 00:44:58.840 --> 00:44:59.840 concerns. 00:44:59.840 --> 00:45:00.840 I don't have that memorized. 00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:07.080 I'm pretty sure, I feel like I wrote down like, oh good, that road segment we're requesting 00:45:07.080 --> 00:45:08.080 that. 00:45:08.080 --> 00:45:13.720 Country Club Road near Hickory Creek, yes, Nathan is saying yes, so that's been submitted 00:45:13.720 --> 00:45:14.720 to text dot. 00:45:14.720 --> 00:45:16.880 Yeah, from 50 to 45, or we're requesting that it go from 50. 00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:17.880 Right. 00:45:17.880 --> 00:45:19.520 Okay, great, thank you so much. 00:45:19.520 --> 00:45:20.520 Absolutely. 00:45:20.520 --> 00:45:23.480 I have a couple of questions here. 00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:30.920 Roundabouts, I've been hearing some chatter about more roundabouts in the city. 00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:36.320 Can you give me just a bit of information on how is that coming? 00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:37.320 How did that come about? 00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:44.720 And if that's something that we can look forward to in the city, more roundabouts? 00:45:44.720 --> 00:45:49.280 What I would tell you is, is roundabouts are used as intersection control, just like a 00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:51.640 traffic signal is used. 00:45:51.640 --> 00:45:57.760 They are evaluated on certain projects as whether or not they make sense from a design 00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:03.040 perspective, and those are things that our consultants can bring to our attention. 00:46:03.040 --> 00:46:07.960 The most recent conversation in regards to roundabouts that has been brought to my attention 00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:13.520 is the pitch we received last night, and those are all text dot roadways, so we'll be working 00:46:13.520 --> 00:46:16.640 with text dot on that conversation. 00:46:16.640 --> 00:46:20.560 None of those roadways are city of Denton roadways that we have the authority to make 00:46:20.560 --> 00:46:27.700 those determinations over, that we'll bring that up, but in general, we currently do not 00:46:27.700 --> 00:46:33.200 have roadways that are designed to include roundabouts on any of the projects that we 00:46:33.200 --> 00:46:34.640 have underway. 00:46:34.640 --> 00:46:42.960 I will tell you, there are some previous schematics that show roundabouts in some of the areas 00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:48.080 along Bonnie Bray sections that haven't been improved, and so as a part of the conversation 00:46:48.080 --> 00:46:54.160 and a part of the design process, specifically on those phase four, B, and five, those will 00:46:54.160 --> 00:46:55.600 be things that are evaluated. 00:46:55.600 --> 00:47:02.040 As you know, there's already a roundabout at scripture, so I'm not aware of any additional, 00:47:02.040 --> 00:47:07.560 like I said, besides the one that was mentioned last night, nothing else is coming to my head. 00:47:07.560 --> 00:47:22.340 Also, for educational purposes, how does a roadway end up on the schematics for the bond? 00:47:22.340 --> 00:47:30.400 As a city council member, I'll get a call from someone that lives on Spencer Road that 00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:36.920 now has an apartment complex on it, as well as a senior living, as well as Lowe's and 00:47:36.920 --> 00:47:42.120 an exit for Walmart, and a road that's two lanes. 00:47:42.120 --> 00:47:49.320 Now I'm getting questioned as to why didn't they do this before they knew all this was 00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:50.320 happening? 00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:55.120 I know people don't understand that the business has to come in first and then the road has 00:47:55.120 --> 00:47:59.160 to meet the expectation of the development. 00:47:59.160 --> 00:48:08.880 A road like Spencer Road or a road like McKinney, East McKinney, Audra, those kind of steel 00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:18.760 two lane roads where we are now getting the development on, how does a road get attention? 00:48:18.760 --> 00:48:20.440 Sure. 00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:21.440 Couple of things. 00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:25.040 There's different levels of classifications of roadways and different ways roadways go 00:48:25.040 --> 00:48:27.640 through the bond package. 00:48:27.640 --> 00:48:35.220 As far as a residential roadway, there's many factors that go into those roadways, such 00:48:35.220 --> 00:48:37.960 as the overall condition index. 00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:43.040 We work with Danny and his team to evaluate the overall condition index, look to see if 00:48:43.040 --> 00:48:47.760 there's any water or wastewater utilities that need to be done in those areas, too. 00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:52.440 Those are typically some of those bond packages you see, just like the one that started in 00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:53.940 Sedna. 00:48:53.940 --> 00:48:57.560 Maybe some of the modifications that you're seeing is that we're adding more pieces to 00:48:57.560 --> 00:48:58.560 the puzzle. 00:48:58.560 --> 00:49:03.340 We're adding the franchise utilities, the street light, the sidewalk, and minimal drainage 00:49:03.340 --> 00:49:06.760 improvements if needed. 00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:07.760 That's a different thing. 00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:11.760 Some of the roadways you're talking about are higher classifications of roadways. 00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:15.120 When they go through the development process, it's a part of the transportation planning's 00:49:15.120 --> 00:49:17.060 team to evaluate that. 00:49:17.060 --> 00:49:22.140 They perform traffic impact analysis, the developer does, that actually show we're going 00:49:22.140 --> 00:49:28.280 to add this many cars to this road in this area with this many trips. 00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:32.760 An evaluation is done as to are there some of the areas of those roadways that the developer 00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:38.800 is responsible for improving, such as a side road or the road that goes across the front 00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:42.000 of their road, is there a right turn lane that needs to be added. 00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:46.480 It's a part of the development review process for the specific developments. 00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:52.240 As far as a major roadway like Bonnie Bray, keep in mind McKinney Street was all Textot 00:49:52.240 --> 00:49:58.400 up until just a few years ago when the city took that road over from Textot. 00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:03.120 Those types of roadways when we're developing our five-year CIP, which we're about to start 00:50:03.120 --> 00:50:09.120 kicking off within the next month or so with collaboration with the finance department, 00:50:09.120 --> 00:50:14.080 as we're working through those, we're looking at where have we seen a lot of growth, where 00:50:14.080 --> 00:50:19.620 do we hear a lot of traffic congestion complaints or concerns, what does the overall mobility 00:50:19.620 --> 00:50:25.040 plan show and where are some of those areas that we have to improve. 00:50:25.040 --> 00:50:28.240 Many times those are triggered by the Textot roadway improvements. 00:50:28.240 --> 00:50:34.280 For example, if Textot is going to do FM 1515, now we have to do some of the utility relocations 00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:35.480 in that area. 00:50:35.480 --> 00:50:40.000 There may be some additional roadways that connect to that that we may be evaluating. 00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:44.560 But typically to come up with major roadways that are a part of a bond package, Bonnie 00:50:44.560 --> 00:50:49.560 Bray's, McKinney's, May Hill's, those are things that are evaluated based on looking 00:50:49.560 --> 00:50:55.480 at where the demand is, where the growth is, where do we have the traffic congestion, and 00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:58.680 what does our overall mobility plan show. 00:50:58.680 --> 00:51:02.920 The goal with adopting that mobility plan is coming up with a plan of, okay, these are 00:51:02.920 --> 00:51:07.440 the roadways we need to do over the next five years or we need to get started. 00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:13.220 And so a lot of that is just analysis of looking at that planning document and then taking 00:51:13.220 --> 00:51:18.880 it through initiation, which evaluating what's happening in that area, submitting, coming 00:51:18.880 --> 00:51:22.840 up with an estimate of cost, saying these are roadways that make sense or these are 00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:24.680 roadways that need to be widened. 00:51:24.680 --> 00:51:28.800 The McKinney you gave the example between Audra and the Loop is a great example of a 00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:35.200 roadway that we all believe would be much nicer if it was widened. 00:51:35.200 --> 00:51:38.920 It would have to be something that we would propose as a future bond project, because 00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:44.960 it's multi-million dollars to do all of the utility relocations, the drainage installation, 00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:46.760 the right-of-way acquisition, et cetera. 00:51:46.760 --> 00:51:52.280 So I tried to break it down into different buckets 'cause it kind of depends on the process, 00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:56.760 but there are many roadways that are being improved or at least the roadways that are 00:51:56.760 --> 00:52:03.560 a party to developments just simply because of the development improvements that are required. 00:52:03.560 --> 00:52:11.920 It just seems like everything, I'm just talking about in my district, everything that's leading 00:52:11.920 --> 00:52:19.140 up towards 288 is just the next step to get those ready. 00:52:19.140 --> 00:52:25.400 So my question really was, would a road like that end up on a bond package, which I think 00:52:25.400 --> 00:52:27.600 that you just answered that question. 00:52:27.600 --> 00:52:28.600 Yes, absolutely. 00:52:28.600 --> 00:52:35.120 A road like Spencer and I assume you're talking from the Loop to Mayhill, where it's two lane, 00:52:35.120 --> 00:52:40.000 we have Lowe's, Rosa's, Walmart, a lot of things connected. 00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:45.280 It would be a roadway we would look at from a capacity standpoint, see that based on doing 00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:50.940 traffic studies, whether or not the capacity, we're actually counting cars, how many people 00:52:50.940 --> 00:52:55.560 are using this, doing a traffic impact analysis, understanding, yes, that's a roadway that 00:52:55.560 --> 00:53:00.040 needs to be widened and then making a decision that would be brought before council to say, 00:53:00.040 --> 00:53:05.440 here's our recommendation of the roadways that we think should be a part of a bond package. 00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:07.720 Here's the overall funding. 00:53:07.720 --> 00:53:12.120 Here's the slot of a five year timeframe that we believe these need to be improved. 00:53:12.120 --> 00:53:14.560 Do you recommend this or do you not? 00:53:14.560 --> 00:53:17.360 So that's kind of how we would walk through that process. 00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:24.080 And actually when you do a specific bond, it goes through a very specific bond committee 00:53:24.080 --> 00:53:28.600 group of individuals who make those recommendations that then come before council. 00:53:28.600 --> 00:53:30.040 So there are a few steps in advance. 00:53:30.040 --> 00:53:31.040 Okay. 00:53:31.040 --> 00:53:38.360 And this is just a side note, but I had started receiving some, I don't think there were complaints, 00:53:38.360 --> 00:53:45.520 but the senior citizen group that live, neighborhood that lives on the road, I was, we started 00:53:45.520 --> 00:53:52.460 receiving information from them that now that that apartment complex is over, they couldn't 00:53:52.460 --> 00:53:59.160 swerve out of the, onto the street far, you know, they had to make a really tight turn 00:53:59.160 --> 00:54:00.960 and that was kind of hard on them. 00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:04.640 They were seeing that somebody is going to run over us while we're trying to get out 00:54:04.640 --> 00:54:05.640 on the roadway. 00:54:05.640 --> 00:54:11.000 But I do travel that road and I can understand what they're saying because it's kind of tight 00:54:11.000 --> 00:54:17.040 in there, but that's what triggered me to come back to you all and let you know that, 00:54:17.040 --> 00:54:21.880 hey, don't forget this road here, which I knew you wouldn't, but it was just, that was 00:54:21.880 --> 00:54:27.080 my little funny part about them squirming in, they don't just, oh, it's so much more 00:54:27.080 --> 00:54:31.700 traffic now, council woman, can you have them to come and do something about this road? 00:54:31.700 --> 00:54:38.920 So, but they are out there and we just have to make sure that we are keeping in mind that 00:54:38.920 --> 00:54:41.760 there are some folks over there that's used to swinging out. 00:54:41.760 --> 00:54:42.760 Yeah. 00:54:42.760 --> 00:54:43.760 That sounds very dangerous. 00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:48.520 I hope they're not swinging out and oncoming traffic, so that would not be a recommendation, 00:54:48.520 --> 00:54:54.520 but I will tell you too, in your CIP packet that was prepared this year with collaboration 00:54:54.520 --> 00:54:59.200 of all the departments, our department, and then of course, finance, finance did include 00:54:59.200 --> 00:55:06.720 in one of the front documents of that booklet, a future bond kind of list of projects that 00:55:06.720 --> 00:55:12.680 might be anticipated and we are having internal discussions and that's already listed on a 00:55:12.680 --> 00:55:15.520 work session for late December, I believe. 00:55:15.520 --> 00:55:23.860 That's just kind of a general, sorry, that's just kind of a general, like, how things are 00:55:23.860 --> 00:55:30.200 done kind of a question, so, you know, obviously, as we think about the upcoming county bond 00:55:30.200 --> 00:55:36.640 package, there are a lot of projects that the city is collaborating with the county 00:55:36.640 --> 00:55:39.760 on that are part of that bond package. 00:55:39.760 --> 00:55:41.200 Has that happened in the past? 00:55:41.200 --> 00:55:46.200 Is that a new thing for us to collaborate with the county in that way? 00:55:46.200 --> 00:55:51.440 I'm not aware of the county putting forward a bond package as substantial as it is now. 00:55:51.440 --> 00:55:58.140 Now, as far as collaboration, there are many projects that the city, the county, and tech 00:55:58.140 --> 00:56:04.480 set are all in alignment because we all share the same thoroughfare plan, but I'm not aware 00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:07.800 of a roadway project specifically. 00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:12.560 My understanding is this TRIP overall bond program is the largest bond program the county's 00:56:12.560 --> 00:56:13.880 ever put forward. 00:56:13.880 --> 00:56:18.840 So when we heard about it and we've been hearing about it for months because we have a very 00:56:18.840 --> 00:56:24.840 close relationship with Mr. Polster, obviously, and he represents the county, and so as we've 00:56:24.840 --> 00:56:29.080 been hearing about that, we've had a list of projects we've been submitting for over 00:56:29.080 --> 00:56:37.320 a year and we've just been getting those well-defined numbers and scopes more well-defined, too. 00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:42.140 But I'm not aware, but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened. 00:56:42.140 --> 00:56:47.080 Just in my timeframe here, I'm not aware of a project that we've done in that fashion. 00:56:47.080 --> 00:56:53.480 Now, I will tell you, as you see on some of the projects that Mr. Hurd submitted on and 00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:59.680 presented to you today, there are several projects that are county-led projects, but 00:56:59.680 --> 00:57:04.440 some of those come from feedback they receive from the surrounding cities, such as the Outer 00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:08.000 Loop, such as the frontage roads for Loop 288. 00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:11.720 The city works very closely with the county to tell them how important it is that we do 00:57:11.720 --> 00:57:16.160 those frontage roads, because currently no developments along that corridor, because 00:57:16.160 --> 00:57:21.360 it's what's called a controlled access freeway, because it's 60 miles per hour, can make connection 00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:24.280 directly to the frontage road for safety reasons. 00:57:24.280 --> 00:57:30.480 So there are projects that we really work with TxDOT or the county to move forward with. 00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:36.640 But I'm not aware, I can ask the question, but I will tell you, we worked very hard to 00:57:36.640 --> 00:57:42.960 try to make sure with Mr. Polster and with, you know, overall with the county that these 00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:45.840 are very important projects for the city. 00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:50.600 And we also have those same conversations with COG and talk to them about, you know, 00:57:50.600 --> 00:57:55.920 here are some of the mobility challenges the city has in areas where we see the growth 00:57:55.920 --> 00:57:59.600 coming where we want to actually widen and add the capacity that's needed. 00:57:59.600 --> 00:58:05.360 Well, kudos on that I mean, successful collaboration, because that's, I mean, those projects are 00:58:05.360 --> 00:58:06.920 going to make a really huge difference for us. 00:58:06.920 --> 00:58:07.920 So great work on that. 00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:08.920 Yes. 00:58:08.920 --> 00:58:09.920 Thank you very much, ma'am. 00:58:09.920 --> 00:58:16.560 We're looking forward to the bond election passing, if it so does. 00:58:16.560 --> 00:58:17.560 All righty. 00:58:17.560 --> 00:58:18.560 Anything else? 00:58:18.560 --> 00:58:19.560 I don't have anything else. 00:58:19.560 --> 00:58:20.560 Looks like you're all right. 00:58:20.560 --> 00:58:21.560 Thank you very much. 00:58:21.560 --> 00:58:22.560 Absolutely. 00:58:22.560 --> 00:58:23.560 Thank you. 00:58:23.560 --> 00:58:31.560 All righty and we are adjourned. 00:58:31.560 --> 00:58:38.280 We have any concluding items or you okay with any I think we've said all we could say. 00:58:38.280 --> 00:58:46.120 So I will adjourn this meeting at approximately well, it's ten fifty nine a.m. 00:58:46.120 --> 00:58:47.120 There we go. 00:58:47.120 --> 00:58:48.120 Thank you.