1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,420 Welcome to the City of Denton Mobility Committee Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 10 a.m., and 2 00:00:09,420 --> 00:00:12,960 we're in the council work session room. 3 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:17,240 After determining that a quorum is present, the Mobility Committee of Denton, Texas is 4 00:00:17,240 --> 00:00:22,520 going to convene in a regular work session, which is what we're doing at this time. 5 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:27,420 First thing on the agenda is the citizens' comment on the agenda items. 6 00:00:27,420 --> 00:00:33,280 Each section of the agenda allows citizens to speak on any individual consideration item 7 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,160 on the agenda. 8 00:00:35,160 --> 00:00:39,640 Individuals are only able to comment one time per agenda item. 9 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:44,160 Each speaker will be given a total of three minutes per agenda item. 10 00:00:44,160 --> 00:00:50,640 A request to speak card must be completed and returned to the staff liaison before the committee 11 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:55,320 considers an item. 12 00:00:55,320 --> 00:01:04,640 Item number two, items for individual consideration, MC22-025, consider approval of the minutes 13 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:06,680 of August 17th, 2022. 14 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:10,200 Can I get a motion for approval? 15 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,240 I move approval of minutes. 16 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:16,960 I second and no, I. 17 00:01:16,960 --> 00:01:22,080 The approval of the minutes have been approved. 18 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:29,400 MC22026, receive a report and hold a discussion regarding the City of Denton transportation 19 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,480 mobility project status report. 20 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,200 Put that on full screen. 21 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:37,200 Good morning. 22 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:38,200 My name's Barry Heard. 23 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,240 I'm filling in for Mr. Polster today. 24 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:48,480 Looking at the first page of the agenda here, you'll see there's two projects that have 25 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:58,080 not been on there before, Bonnie Bray segment seven and the outer loop. 26 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,400 Project summary, this gives their usual project cost. 27 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:06,700 Moving on to the first project, FM2181. 28 00:02:06,700 --> 00:02:15,320 This project is very near substantial completion with a traffic switch scheduled currently 29 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:19,720 for later in October, early November. 30 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:20,720 So that's the biggest thing. 31 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:26,640 They've got some retaining wall and sidewalk work to do and as well as some work along 32 00:02:26,640 --> 00:02:28,640 the median. 33 00:02:28,640 --> 00:02:33,840 I-35E at Mayhill. 34 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:42,840 This project, the 100% plans are due back to TxDOT within the next month and they will 35 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:53,600 be submitted for review with the final plans going to be completed roughly around the first 36 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,120 of the year. 37 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:01,560 On this project, the city, the permits are approved and the city's currently working 38 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:05,400 as you know on getting those contracted out. 39 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:10,040 35E and 35W merge. 40 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:18,280 This project has a rate of let date of August 2023 and a let date of September 23. 41 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:25,840 It is the goal potentially to try to move this project up if possible and that remains 42 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:34,200 to be seen as far as the scheduling with the letting volumes and with TxDOT. 43 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:42,880 35 North, this project just received our last CSJ which is actually out of the county to 44 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,920 the north ending at 3002. 45 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:51,240 95% plans are underway. 46 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:56,680 Project if you've noticed, if you've driven up 35, probably noticed the right of way is 47 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:02,120 being cleared, utilities are moving all up and down the corridor. 48 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,600 There's a lot of work going on. 49 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:12,040 And there's even you may want to notice as you come in 30 back and forth, the change 50 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:16,360 in one message signs are advertising closures, lane closures and everything that's going 51 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,520 on and related to that. 52 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:28,040 35W frontage roads, this 30% submittal is under review at TxDOT right now. 53 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,560 This project's moving along quite well. 54 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:40,640 The let date right now is September 2024. 55 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,240 380 at 377. 56 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:47,480 This is another project that's under construction right now. 57 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:55,160 The if you notice driven through there, the sidewalks and barriers along the roadway are 58 00:04:55,160 --> 00:05:03,200 nearing completion of that phase. 59 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:14,120 The 288, loop 288 West frontage roads, there's 39 parcels to acquire, 19 owners have not 60 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:18,480 responded to the letters for right of entry. 61 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:26,320 So that's where TxDOT's focus is right now is getting those right of entry letters. 62 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:35,040 Loop 288 East frontage road, this project has unofficially kicked off with the official 63 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:44,560 kickoff on the design next week, October 5th, and we're currently working with the city 64 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:53,800 on potential alignments on the connector portion. 65 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,320 Bonnie Bray extension to the loop. 66 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:04,400 This photo is an illustration, nothing set in stone, but that's the latest that we have 67 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,320 right now as far as the extension to the loop. 68 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:22,400 This is something that is a work in progress, FM 1515, these plans are 60% that has just 69 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:28,080 been submitted recently, and those are currently under review at TxDOT. 70 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:35,360 The right of way on this project, 11 parcels are in negotiation currently, one acquired 71 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:45,800 project is scheduled for October 2024 letting, and the plans do roughly one year from now, 72 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,720 the 100% plans. 73 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:52,880 As soon as the right of way is acquired, the utilities will begin to move there. 74 00:06:52,880 --> 00:07:02,920 FM 1173, this is a 3.6 mile project with a new portion of the new alignment over by Loves 75 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:15,280 on 35, Bartholdt Road, across a new location back to the existing 1173 on Endicurum. 76 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:23,440 This project has just started, there's 41 right of way parcels to acquire, and PATH 77 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:33,120 is the consultant, they've started the geotech boring. 78 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:40,320 The outer loop, this is a project that has recently kicked off also, the consultant is 79 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:47,320 LJA, they're currently working on coordinating with the Corps, because this project goes 80 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:54,760 across the Greenbelt and the cities of Aubrey and Salina on their future developments, and 81 00:07:54,760 --> 00:08:00,600 they're developing a website for stakeholder outreach. 82 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:08,720 Elmond Locust, this is a project that the TxDOT is currently working on the pavement 83 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:17,720 design and it should be submitted back within the next month or so, month or two, per TxDOT. 84 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:24,080 35 resurfacing, the project that's going on right now with the resurfacing, if you've 85 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:30,600 driven 35 at night, you may have been involved in some of the traffic lane closures. 86 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:35,120 Right now all that's left on the outside is some restriping and race pavement markers, 87 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:44,280 so it should be done within the next two weeks. 88 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:50,520 And that's it as far as the report, but I'll take any questions that you have. 89 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:57,680 Yeah, first of all, welcome, thanks for filling in and talking with us today. 90 00:08:57,680 --> 00:09:05,840 So a question about the two kind of new projects that we're seeing for the first time today. 91 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,440 Bonnie Bray, segment seven. 92 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,280 This might be a more appropriate question for our staff. 93 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:16,000 You know, I'm seeing a stub out to the north of 288. 94 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:23,820 Is the alignment of Bonnie Bray north of 288 going to change as part of this? 95 00:09:23,820 --> 00:09:27,420 My understanding, based on the conversations that we've had with TxDOT, is that's just 96 00:09:27,420 --> 00:09:33,840 a graphical representation north of loop 288 showing that there will be some sort of future 97 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:38,560 connection in that vicinity, but that alignment has not been finalized. 98 00:09:38,560 --> 00:09:44,160 These are drawings that were prepared several years ago to show that connection between 99 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:50,640 77 and loop 288, so no, that has not been defined at this time. 100 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:56,880 Okay, so and we haven't like acquired any kind of right of way like between north Bonnie 101 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:02,800 Bray, like south of Elm and like Ganser or anything like that. 102 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:07,340 There has not been any acquisition of property and actually this is a project that the county 103 00:10:07,340 --> 00:10:09,240 and TxDOT are leading. 104 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,160 The city's project will end at 77. 105 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:18,120 This project will be from 77 to loop 288, will be a part of the loop 288 frontage road 106 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:24,640 project and the county is leading that effort through Pacheco Coke and then Nelson Underwood 107 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,400 at TxDOT. 108 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,920 And of course we'll be in those conversations. 109 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:34,200 We've also had multiple conversations with UNT as this cuts through their Discovery Park 110 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:39,640 property and we do have, as Barry mentioned, a kickoff next week to talk a lot about the 111 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:44,400 loop 288 frontage roads and I'm sure this also will come up as a part of those conversations 112 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,280 since that's being added to that design. 113 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:47,280 Okay, cool. 114 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,280 This is very early in the process on that project. 115 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:51,640 Okay. 116 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:58,720 And then on the outer loop, I'm kind of, you know, as I do like some Googling, when I look 117 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:05,200 at outer loop, this image is pretty much more or less what I see. 118 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,640 The word loop would imply to me that it's bigger than that. 119 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:15,140 Do you have anything to show us as far as like long-term plans for alignment around 120 00:11:15,140 --> 00:11:18,080 the DFW area? 121 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:23,320 I don't write today, but this is, as you said, it's part of a larger project on the outer 122 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:31,920 loop that covers Kauffman County, Rockwall County, Collin County, who is developing their 123 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:39,240 own outer loop and this will, the Denton will tie into theirs at D&T. 124 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:40,240 Okay. 125 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:44,280 And Councilmember Aguilar, I would just add that the reason why I ask ITS to put this 126 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:49,840 as a part of the report is specifically because we have a lot of development projects and 127 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,400 then also water and wastewater utility relocations. 128 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:58,440 You probably remember the large development of the lift station and the $8 million agreement. 129 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:04,280 So because of the location and where the tie-in's going to be in concert with I-35 and the projects 130 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:09,900 that we have going on in that area to move utilities or install new utilities, I thought 131 00:12:09,900 --> 00:12:12,160 it'd be good to go ahead and kind of get it on the radar. 132 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,480 It's also shown on our mobility plan. 133 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,960 But it's not a project that the city's actually leading, it's something that's working through 134 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:18,960 the county. 135 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:19,960 Right. 136 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:20,960 Okay. 137 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:21,960 Yeah, yeah. 138 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:26,520 I figured, I'm just kind of, I'm curious as to how this will impact our connectivity 139 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,000 to the rest of the DFW area. 140 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,760 Kauffman, Rockwall, and Denton County are basically all starting at the same time. 141 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,000 All the kickoffs have been within the last two months. 142 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:36,000 Okay. 143 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:44,200 It's also on the regional plan that COG has, that we've seen as part of the STAC and RTC 144 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,960 presentations for their 2045 mobility plan. 145 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:51,440 And if you look on those graphics, and I'm happy to share those with you, you will see 146 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:57,680 this entire alignment all the way across those counties, providing kind of a further north 147 00:12:57,680 --> 00:13:00,260 and easterly connection. 148 00:13:00,260 --> 00:13:06,280 So it's kind of taking 635 and going out an additional, so many miles, and I don't know 149 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:12,440 the distance, but it is that next connection, kind of drawing that circle around the city. 150 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:13,440 Thank you. 151 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:14,440 Yeah. 152 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:15,440 I can look it up. 153 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:16,440 I don't need you to give it to me. 154 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:17,440 It's fine. 155 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:18,440 Okay. 156 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,640 The alignments are all still, there's actually two public meetings that are being scheduled 157 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,040 for Kauffman and Rockwall in November. 158 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:31,680 And then I'm assuming the one for Denton County will be a few months probably after that. 159 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:39,040 I guess I had a couple of questions. 160 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:46,140 You said that there, explain to me about the letter, you said the letters on this loop 161 00:13:46,140 --> 00:13:47,140 288 West. 162 00:13:47,140 --> 00:13:49,240 Over the right of entries. 163 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:50,240 Yeah. 164 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,240 And right, that other one with the lime green. 165 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,880 I think that's what I was looking at when this question came to mind, you had noted 166 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:05,760 that you all had communicated with residents and getting the right of entry letters. 167 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:06,760 Yes. 168 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:12,920 This project has been around since I was an engineering assistant at the area office. 169 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:18,720 And I think that may be a little bit to do with some of the non-response of the property 170 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:23,360 owners there because this project has been talked about for a number of years, but they 171 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:28,440 are going back and trying to get some more follow up to get those done. 172 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:34,960 So we can get in there, the tech stock can get in there and get the geotech information 173 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,640 completed. 174 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:39,920 That's really the key first step in survey. 175 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:40,920 Okay. 176 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:48,240 So the question becomes, what happens if you all don't hear from those people at some point 177 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:49,240 along the way? 178 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,680 What's your timeline on that? 179 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:57,120 How do you resolve something like this? 180 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,040 I'm speaking from my experience in the past. 181 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:00,040 Okay. 182 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:04,640 If there's 19 here, you're going to get all but two or three within the next few months 183 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,880 to four to six months, you'll have those secured. 184 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:11,440 There may be a few holdouts and those will be dealt with along the way up to the right 185 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,800 of way acquisition process. 186 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,800 Is that something called eminent domain? 187 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,460 Is that when that kicks in? 188 00:15:19,460 --> 00:15:20,840 There's several levels to it. 189 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:27,200 But the first is you make contact with the property owners and supply fair offers and 190 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:31,800 they have time to respond, but yes, it's all part of the state right away process. 191 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:41,480 And so when you all make an offer for property and you made the offer like 15 years ago, 192 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,400 and I don't know if... 193 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:44,400 There is a timeline. 194 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:45,400 Yeah. 195 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:50,720 And so I was just wondering about that if somebody wanted my property and they came 196 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:57,040 and asked for a future project and they asked me 10 years ago and sent a letter to say... 197 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:04,880 So how quickly, I mean, what's the timeline between sending a letter and a project actually? 198 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:08,720 I don't want to confuse this with the right of way process. 199 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:12,000 This is for right of entry to gain initial studies. 200 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:13,000 Oh, okay. 201 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:21,240 The actual right of way maps will have been developed for the parcels, but that's ongoing 202 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,520 and offers will be made in the future. 203 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:31,040 So the property owner has to be offered fair market value. 204 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:32,640 Oh, at the time? 205 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:33,640 At the time, yes. 206 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:40,000 And so does that state, does that amount change with the years, let's say 10 years ago was 207 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,280 not valued at the same? 208 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:46,640 It could, but there's been no, to my understanding, no offers that have been made previously. 209 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,760 So that's all coming up in the future. 210 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:50,760 That's coming up. 211 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:51,760 Okay. 212 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:52,760 It sounded to me like... 213 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:58,360 The schematic has been developed and the process has been developed through a number of years. 214 00:16:58,360 --> 00:16:59,360 Okay. 215 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:04,920 So I'm particularly interested, I'm always interested in the Mayhill 35 project. 216 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,240 Let's get down here. 217 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:14,480 Yeah, and you kind of, I was trying to process that. 218 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:15,480 Here we go. 219 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:16,480 There it is. 220 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:17,640 I'm always interested in that one. 221 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:21,280 And again, tell me how far along we are on that one. 222 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:26,520 I know that the property has been purchased. 223 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:27,520 What happens next? 224 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,520 What's going on there again? 225 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:35,880 As far as the utility, the right of way is nearly complete. 226 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:42,480 There are two parcels that are left in the eminent domain process, the 42 are in position. 227 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:49,280 So now it moves to the utility relocation process. 228 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:53,400 This is the one I think I mentioned the city is working on. 229 00:17:53,400 --> 00:18:00,000 Their permits are approved for water and sewer as well as DME, but they have a utility agreements 230 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:06,360 that need to be worked out to get started and the city will contract. 231 00:18:06,360 --> 00:18:10,400 Look for contractors within the next few months. 232 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:17,000 And my last thing is I don't have a question, but I have a comment. 233 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:24,180 Just driving on I-35 coming into Denton, I know that the roads have been overlaid. 234 00:18:24,180 --> 00:18:26,720 I think that's the correct term. 235 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:33,600 I'm always having a problem looking for the lines in the road. 236 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:37,680 All the way just from Louisville, I mean, it's just even coming from Dallas, but I particularly 237 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:43,680 notice when we get to Louisville, but on up in through to Denton, there are a lot of spaces 238 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:48,540 out there on that highway where there's just no lines. 239 00:18:48,540 --> 00:18:58,480 And it seems to me that there are enough vehicle collisions between Corinth or 407 working 240 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:04,480 its way up to Denton, particularly around the Mayhill, Corinth post oak area. 241 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,960 There's always just a collision somewhere in there. 242 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:13,840 Why are there so many collisions that a lay person like me are beginning to observe? 243 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:19,160 And I think it's because there's no lines in the road, that's where I'm going. 244 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:25,400 As far as the pavement markings and the striping, that's something that, you know, I was an 245 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:31,400 area engineer I dealt with, and it's a constant battle. 246 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:38,700 I know in the Dallas district, every year there are contracts to come through and restripe 247 00:19:38,700 --> 00:19:42,120 and put new pavement markings down once a year. 248 00:19:42,120 --> 00:19:48,280 The good thing is, with the new surface through town, through the majority of town, that striping 249 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:49,360 will be complete. 250 00:19:49,360 --> 00:19:55,140 You've got two lanes striped, the outside lane and the outside stripe will be done within 251 00:19:55,140 --> 00:19:56,360 the next few weeks. 252 00:19:56,360 --> 00:20:01,080 As far as a little farther down south, that project was under construction for a number 253 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:06,440 of years, but I know that it's been restriping. 254 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:14,920 And in fact, I know that TechStot recently, as an interim measure, had done some striping, 255 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:26,420 some temporary striping, to address that issue. 256 00:20:26,420 --> 00:20:28,960 So you all restripe every year? 257 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:30,680 TechStot restripes every year with contracts. 258 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:34,960 To me, it just don't seem like it, because that's one of my biggest, I fuss about that 259 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:39,480 as I'm driving, that there are no lines in the road, where's the lane we're supposed 260 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:40,640 to be in? 261 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:46,120 That's me fussing in my car. 262 00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:51,000 You know, as well as getting the contracts, you have to get the stripers in there to get 263 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:59,120 the work done, and to some degree, you're on their schedule to some degree, and they're 264 00:20:59,120 --> 00:21:00,120 all over the Metroplex. 265 00:21:00,120 --> 00:21:07,780 There's a limited number of striping companies to stay in business, and it is a challenge 266 00:21:07,780 --> 00:21:13,280 sometimes to get them up there, but I know TechStot, from my experience, you just stay 267 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,480 on them until you get your job done. 268 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:21,040 Well, those were all the questions that I had, but I thought I'd just throw that striping 269 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:25,740 situation into there, because I know we're supposed to stay on task with what we have 270 00:21:25,740 --> 00:21:26,740 before us. 271 00:21:26,740 --> 00:21:32,440 But, you know, I just needed to have some type of answer as to what my personal frustration 272 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:33,440 is. 273 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:34,640 Thank you for allowing me that. 274 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,800 Did you have any more questions? 275 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:44,200 I was just wondering, and if you're not the person to talk to about this, then go ahead 276 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,800 and tell me, and I can have a different conversation with, you know, maybe next month with John 277 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:48,800 or something. 278 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:55,280 But, you know, last night we had a work session on our citywide speed study, and I'm curious 279 00:21:55,280 --> 00:22:00,880 about what TechStot's role in the approval of those recommendations is. 280 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,640 I know that we need approval from the Dallas district. 281 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:05,640 What's the procedure? 282 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,040 What does the road forward look like on that? 283 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:09,040 What's the next thing? 284 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,480 Yeah, it's a very substantial process that takes quite a bit of time. 285 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:19,000 We've submitted the overall results that Nathan has done. 286 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:25,240 We submitted a copy of the report, the presentation, you know, all of the charts, specifically 287 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:30,280 related to speeds on those TechStot roadways. 288 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:34,660 We have a follow-up discussion we'll be having with TechStot within the next couple of weeks 289 00:22:34,660 --> 00:22:40,000 at our regular scheduled monthly meeting to talk about that process, but Travis will 290 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,680 look at it locally, and then it will go to the Dallas district office. 291 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,620 They'll do a review of the entire process. 292 00:22:46,620 --> 00:22:50,880 And my goal with the future conversation, and I'm happy for us to bring this back at 293 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:55,480 the next mobility committee meeting, is to set those timelines of is this six months, 294 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,920 is it eight months, is it two weeks? 295 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,800 But we expect, and Nathan, feel free to chime in if you have anything additional, but we 296 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:07,480 expect for it to take a substantial amount of time, you know, six to eight months, and 297 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:11,720 I think then the other part of that will be is there will be some conversation back and 298 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,900 forth based on the recommendations. 299 00:23:14,900 --> 00:23:17,160 So I want to put a pin in that. 300 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:21,040 We just shared that information with them this week since we shared the information 301 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:25,520 with you also, and, you know, mentioned to them that we would give them any follow-up 302 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:31,960 that we received from council, and part of that goal is setting up that overall timeframe, 303 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:37,600 and Barry's aware he used to be the local Denton area engineer, and has worked as the 304 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:42,480 Collin County area engineer, and so it does take a substantial amount of time, so if you 305 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:47,560 want to talk to anything specific to, you know, we're estimating six to eight months. 306 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,760 I think that's a good estimate on the timeline. 307 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:57,440 What Becky said was totally correct, and just with the ending, the final thing that's needed 308 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:01,680 from the city will be ordinances for those speed limits, and then they'll be able to 309 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,800 get posted at the final approval. 310 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,940 And the ordinances that we plan to bring back in the very near future after we finish all 311 00:24:09,940 --> 00:24:16,400 of our conversations will be specific to, if so, choose residential streets, and then 312 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:22,280 the other roadways that are not TxDOT roadways, and a separate ordinance for school zones. 313 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:27,600 At such time that we make those conversations with TxDOT, those agreements, then we will 314 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:32,680 have to bring back an update or a separate ordinance, including those TxDOT roadways. 315 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:38,200 Our anticipation is we would be bringing back an update to the ordinance that was approved. 316 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,520 I think Nathan talked a little bit about this yesterday. 317 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:46,960 There is school zone and city roadway and university roadway and TxDOT roadway all kind 318 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,640 of blended in the ordinance. 319 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:55,200 So we're working to clean that up, and Nathan has a huge effort going on to have the school 320 00:24:55,200 --> 00:25:01,200 zone ordinance be within the right areas of the code versus the residential street, you 321 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:06,360 know, city roadways, TxDOT roadways, et cetera, some of those universities be in a separate 322 00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:09,960 ordinance, and those will come forward at a later date. 323 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:15,160 The TxDOT will just be delayed after those conversations have been had, and please feel 324 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:16,160 free to add. 325 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,600 Yeah, so Nathan George with Capital Projects Engineering. 326 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:24,360 So one important caveat, I touched on this at a very high level last night, but you probably 327 00:25:24,360 --> 00:25:26,620 missed it because it's such a footnote. 328 00:25:26,620 --> 00:25:32,640 So traditionally, if a city is to wish to adjust speed limits in the city, they would 329 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:37,480 submit that request to TxDOT, and TxDOT would perform the evaluation. 330 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,280 City of Denton has taken a more proactive approach that we have studied those streets 331 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,720 and provided the recommendations to TxDOT for their concurrence. 332 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,800 So we don't know exactly what the timing will be for that review, but we have, you know, 333 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:53,560 instead of going to TxDOT with just a request that's a very broad, you know, you need to 334 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:58,880 go collect the data and you need to perform the evaluation, we've done all of those steps, 335 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,120 so now they're reviewing for concurrence. 336 00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:05,220 We don't know if they may want to take some additional surveys to validate what they believe 337 00:26:05,220 --> 00:26:06,720 are 85th percentile speeds. 338 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:11,400 There are some differences in methodology based on the contract we have set up for traffic 339 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:12,400 data collection. 340 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,700 So, you know, the approach that we've taken is a little bit different, and they may wish 341 00:26:16,700 --> 00:26:21,840 to perform some spot surveys to validate the data that we presented to them. 342 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:26,040 They may have some questions about the methodology that we applied, which is a little bit different 343 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,520 than how they perform their studies and document. 344 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:34,680 It's a different approach, but the hope is that by sharing all of our data, we've shared 345 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,960 the analysis, we've shared the calculations, we've shared all of raw data, so hopefully 346 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:43,500 they have all the information they need to, you know, perform sort of their independent 347 00:26:43,500 --> 00:26:46,120 review of our recommendations. 348 00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:50,880 If they feel needed, go out and take some additional data collection or whatever else 349 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,520 they might want to do to validate the recommendations that we've made. 350 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,260 And most importantly, as I highlighted last night, getting them a lot of data about the 351 00:26:58,260 --> 00:27:02,920 crash outcomes is really important for those recommendations where we saw higher crash 352 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,800 rates and could make, you know, more specific recommendations about where we need to slow 353 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:12,800 folks down to try and start to curb that high incident corridors. 354 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,920 And then, you know, all of us will have to take a closer look at those areas to see how 355 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,000 we can start to address the crash trend, because that's more than just an issue of speed. 356 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,800 It's also an issue of road design. 357 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:29,440 Thank you for that clarification, and I had not quite understood that point about us using 358 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:34,240 kind of a different procedure than is typical, and I'm glad to hear that we're approaching 359 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,240 it that way. 360 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:36,240 Great. 361 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:37,240 Thank you. 362 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:38,240 Thanks. 363 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,240 And the only thing that I would just add is that our point of contact will be the local 364 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:46,560 area engineer, which is Travis Campbell, that you've met, and Nathan has been providing 365 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:51,200 all of that information that we've been sharing with Travis, so we will go through the local 366 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:56,460 area office, although it will be sent to another division within the Dallas district that's 367 00:27:56,460 --> 00:27:59,960 located in South Dallas and Mesquite. 368 00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:05,160 So, Travis will be our liaison. 369 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,040 Travis is really the liaison. 370 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:18,440 If there's not any other communication on that point, we will go to MC 22-028, staff 371 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:28,060 report, introduction, Bonnie Brace Street update, Three Creek Road, phase three, Ryan 372 00:28:28,060 --> 00:28:38,140 Road update, 2022 bond package, future items for mobility committee meeting for 2022. 373 00:28:38,140 --> 00:28:48,400 All righty, well, good morning. 374 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,160 So we have a couple of items today on the agenda. 375 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:58,320 The first thing I'd like to do is introduce our new senior transportation engineer, Ismael 376 00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,320 Bala. 377 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:04,560 Ismael, if you'd like to stand up, yes, and we'll have you come forward, maybe tell a 378 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:10,780 little bit about yourself and where you come from, and he just started on the 19th, so 379 00:29:10,780 --> 00:29:13,720 he's on week two, so be kind. 380 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,920 But we're really glad to have him, so I'm going to turn it over just for a couple seconds 381 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,920 for him to talk about his background, and then we'll move on. 382 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,520 All right. 383 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,400 Good morning, I think. 384 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:26,400 Hello. 385 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:32,180 I'm Ismael Bala, the new senior transportation engineer for City of Denton, and really excited 386 00:29:32,180 --> 00:29:35,360 to be here, and I hope I can do my best. 387 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:36,360 Anything else? 388 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,720 A little bit about your background. 389 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:39,720 Sure. 390 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:45,100 I got my PhD in transportation engineering from UT El Paso, and right away started working 391 00:29:45,100 --> 00:29:50,440 like for six years, four years in Caltrans, California Department of Transportation. 392 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,400 I moved from Los Angeles to Dallas a few weeks ago. 393 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:55,400 Well, welcome. 394 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:56,400 Thank you. 395 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,240 All those California people. 396 00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,240 I know. 397 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,200 I didn't want to mention that, but that's why I said like anything else, and Becky said 398 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:04,200 like, "Keep it going." 399 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:05,200 Thank you. 400 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,200 That was very nice to meet you. 401 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:09,960 Good to meet you. 402 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:10,960 Thank you, sir. 403 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,560 Yeah, we keep getting additional folks from other states all on our team, but we'll take 404 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:15,560 them, right? 405 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:16,560 I think we will. 406 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,760 So super excited to have him on the team. 407 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,620 To help us grow. 408 00:30:20,620 --> 00:30:25,000 It's a very exciting move, and we're very pleased. 409 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,960 Brett's done a great job with working through this hiring. 410 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,840 I know you know it's been almost a year since we've had a transportation engineer, and so 411 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:37,520 we're real excited to have him as a part of the team, and he is going to work hand-in-hand 412 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:44,620 with our transportation planning group that Pretem Deschmec is leading, and then also 413 00:30:44,620 --> 00:30:50,320 I would explain that, you know, there are a lot of things that we've had certain individuals 414 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,760 on staff covering, and there are some other changes in our department with hiring a drainage 415 00:30:54,760 --> 00:31:00,320 engineer and that individual who's been doing some multiple roles is now going to be able 416 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,840 to shed some of that load, and we're going to have some of those conversations very soon. 417 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:09,480 So lots of things that are happening and going on in the department which are really positive, 418 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,400 and so we're super excited, so welcome to Texas. 419 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,920 So then let's kind of go through some of our updates. 420 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:21,920 So what I will tell you on the Bonnie Bray Street update, next Mobility Committee meeting 421 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,760 I will be bringing forward a presentation specifically. 422 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,560 This will not be a part of a staff report. 423 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:32,480 We're going to do its own agenda item, give you an update of the entire project, all of 424 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:39,680 the phases, and talk specifically about some recent questions that we've been asked and 425 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,280 some recent ideas on some of the different phases of Bonnie Bray. 426 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,680 I'm going to touch on it twice today, so we're going to talk about it in this update, then 427 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,840 we'll talk about it during the Denton County portion, but just wanted to let you know we 428 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:57,160 will have a more specific, as you've probably seen on your work session agenda, we have 429 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,960 that currently scheduled for the 18th, we're going to move that out to November so that 430 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:06,400 we can bring that update to you first, and then bring it to council a second. 431 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,340 So we'll work through that. 432 00:32:08,340 --> 00:32:14,200 So the temporary surface restoration on Bonnie Bray between I-35 and Scripture, that was 433 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,720 all associated with that large water main, I know that we're all happy to having the 434 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:24,520 ground that's completed, the asphalt improvements have been continuing all the drive conditions, 435 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:29,240 remember this is a temporary surface we put down to help with those driving until we can 436 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,960 get that overall Bonnie Bray project. 437 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:37,920 As you know, it's a part of the Denton County trip 2022 bond election. 438 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:43,400 If the bond election so passes, then we will have the funding needed to anticipate that 439 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:49,880 start of construction in 2024, and really working through finalizing that design and 440 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,280 working through that construction. 441 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,840 There's a few punch list items we're working through on that temporary pavement that was 442 00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:02,760 installed, but definitely, you know, don't anticipate any additional full length closures. 443 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,240 I know UNT has been very pleased. 444 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:10,600 We've heard comments from the PD, I know Tex thought is happy that we're finished with 445 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:15,720 completion in that area, so super excited about having that done. 446 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:21,040 Bonnie Bray phase three has been advertised for bid, so that's fantastic. 447 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,960 It's anticipated to be under construction by the end of the year, and then of course 448 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:29,080 phase six, which is that section from US 380 to 77. 449 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:34,840 It's on track for advertising, pending the completion of that right away acquisition. 450 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:39,600 I think we've talked about this before, we have one property that we're working to finalize 451 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,960 that acquisition. 452 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:46,960 Our timeline is subject to that acquisition, so what we're currently looking at, because 453 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:51,480 of the funding that's associated with the project, we cannot bid the project without 454 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,320 having all of that acquisition completed. 455 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,520 So when we bring it forward to you next month, we'll talk about our plan. 456 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:02,160 We've also talked about should this be broken down to different sections so that we can 457 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,800 go ahead and start the construction. 458 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:09,120 At this point, we have one that's lacking, and so we're hoping, we're working in really 459 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:14,040 good terms with trying to get that settled so we can move forward with having that last 460 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,920 property acquired. 461 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:22,720 Hickory Creek Road phase three, of course that's the portion from River Pass to 1830. 462 00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:27,580 It's currently in the process of having those utility relocations completed. 463 00:34:27,580 --> 00:34:32,560 We have one parcel that's still being acquired through that eminent domain process. 464 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:38,040 We're hoping it will close at the end of the month, not this month, end of October. 465 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,840 This was awarded to Mario Sinicola and Sons. 466 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,480 It has a two-year construction time plane. 467 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,480 We put this in the Friday report recently because we had some questions about access 468 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:55,480 to individuals' homes, and so there were some graphics that showed where the future 469 00:34:55,480 --> 00:35:00,760 roadway is going to go in comparison to where the existing roadway and those access pieces. 470 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,320 But Mario Sinicola is working to get started. 471 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,120 They were supposed to be starting this week, and we're working through all their submittal 472 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,120 review. 473 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,760 There's a substantial amount of submittals to review on this bridge. 474 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,000 And then finally, let's see. 475 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:21,800 As far as roadway updates, the Ryan Road project was brought to 30% design and placed on hold. 476 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,800 That was finished, will be finished. 477 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,840 We are anticipating using the CMAR process. 478 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:31,400 That's what we're using on several of the bond projects currently. 479 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:32,520 I know you know this. 480 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,080 We're just reminding everyone. 481 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:38,560 We've put that project on hold until we get to a point with Hickory Creek 3 that we feel 482 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,680 like it's very close to construction so that as soon as that construction is completed, 483 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,200 Ryan Road can start its construction. 484 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:50,720 It's also a project we submitted for that Denton County Trip bond application. 485 00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:56,120 And we want to make sure that because it's another east-west connectivity piece that 486 00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:00,320 we don't have both of those roads under construction at the same time. 487 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:07,120 And then as far as the overall Trip 2022 projects, I know you've seen this in a previous Friday 488 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:08,120 report. 489 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,880 We just talked about Ryan from 2181 to 1830. 490 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:17,240 We did submit to the county bond on that project. 491 00:36:17,240 --> 00:36:22,680 Phase 4B, which is from 35 to Scripture and then 5, which is from Scripture to 380. 492 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,000 We just talked a little bit about that. 493 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:31,200 Those also were submitted as a part of that bond election package. 494 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:37,440 And then the Westgate Windsor Drive Bronco Way, we also submitted that project. 495 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:42,700 We're working on some temporary measures to make connectivity to existing Bronco Way and 496 00:36:42,700 --> 00:36:46,140 Westgate to help improve traffic flow in that area. 497 00:36:46,140 --> 00:36:51,060 But this full project that needs to be constructed in this area has been submitted for that gap 498 00:36:51,060 --> 00:36:54,060 in funding as a part of the trip. 499 00:36:54,060 --> 00:36:58,840 And then, of course, there's been several meetings that have been held. 500 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:04,560 But what I wanted to call to your attention is on August 16th, and John's obviously not 501 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,920 here today, but he did present to the county an updated list of projects. 502 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:14,960 That updated list of projects did include Elm to Locust from basically the courthouse 503 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,720 to 380. 504 00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:20,000 So really excited about having that. 505 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,680 That's about a $650 million bond election that the county is moving forward with for 506 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,600 all the cities within the county. 507 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,320 And that election is on November 8th. 508 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:40,480 And that is what I have for you today as far as the overall staff update. 509 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,600 I wanted to bring forward the future staff agenda items. 510 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:49,460 Obviously, we are going to continue to do the Bonnie Bray Street update. 511 00:37:49,460 --> 00:37:53,440 The only thing that I would add is instead of it being, I think I mentioned this is a 512 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,520 part of the staff report, we're going to have a separate presentation on that. 513 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:03,000 The citywide speed study update, we gave you the presentation last night. 514 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:09,240 It's already scheduled for council on the 25th of October as that follow-up. 515 00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:14,440 And so I think one of the things that I'd like to say on the next update that we do 516 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:21,520 is that we bring forward the communication we have with TxDOT on the possible timing 517 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:27,320 of when and how long we anticipate so that we put some parameters around when we expect 518 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,820 to have that feedback from TxDOT. 519 00:38:29,820 --> 00:38:31,600 And we can add that as a part of the report. 520 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,480 So Nathan will make sure that we get that taken care of. 521 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:40,540 And then the Hickory Creek 3 and Bryan Road, and then of course the Bonnie Bray, we've 522 00:38:40,540 --> 00:38:45,940 made those updates, I'm sorry, the bond election, we've made those updates to you today. 523 00:38:45,940 --> 00:38:49,840 So with that, I know these are kind of ongoing updates. 524 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,840 I don't know that there's any that need to fall off. 525 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,360 I don't know that there's going to be a whole lot to tell you on the bond election besides 526 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,320 it's November 8th. 527 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:04,200 But I would tell you that we'll continuously bring any updates on Ryan Road. 528 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,920 I think the ones you'll receive the most information on over the next several months are Bonnie 529 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:14,120 Bray, like I mentioned, the citywide speed study, and then of course the construction 530 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,560 with Hickory Creek Road. 531 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,840 At some point when they're actually starting to do some heavy construction, we'll want 532 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:24,000 to add some pictures and be able to show you kind of what it's looking like out there. 533 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,000 But that's all we have. 534 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,920 So I guess at this time, I'll just take any additional items or questions that you might 535 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,200 have that you'd like to see added to the agenda. 536 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:43,120 May I, Chair, I think that, you know, taking this citywide speed study off of our monthly 537 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,040 report is fine. 538 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:49,420 I definitely would love to continue to get updates about, you know, I mean, an update 539 00:39:49,420 --> 00:39:55,200 might not come for another six months or more, but, you know, just keep us updated on the 540 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,420 process with TxDOT. 541 00:39:57,420 --> 00:40:04,200 And then, you know, do we want the conversation around residential speed limits to be to kind 542 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:08,480 of take the place of that, I guess, since it seemed to me in our work session yesterday 543 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,680 afternoon that that was kind of the next step. 544 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,740 Do you think that that's appropriate? 545 00:40:15,740 --> 00:40:19,960 You know, I know that the residential speeds will be something that's going to be the main 546 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:25,280 focus of the next topic with council, being that the same individuals that are a part 547 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:29,840 of this committee or the same individuals that are a part of council, you know, it may 548 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:34,500 not make sense to bring it back to mobility committee, but I'll use your discretion as 549 00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:36,680 to what you'd like to see. 550 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,880 I do know that now that we've changed the schedule, I believe the next time we have 551 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:45,560 mobility committee will be following the update we've already made to council. 552 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,560 So you would hear it at council before you would hear it here. 553 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:49,560 So logistically. 554 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:56,360 Yeah, I'll defer to your discretion that I mean, if it's if I think that is a conversation 555 00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:00,160 we need to have as the full council and there's no point to have and having it twice. 556 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,160 That's fair. 557 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,800 That can kind of come off that way and come off here. 558 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,240 Sure, we will have it come off. 559 00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:09,040 The only thing that we will work to make sure that we have is just a really quick update 560 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,760 is our conversation with text on their timing. 561 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:17,720 And it'll be more of an update that, yes, we had that conversation and we know kind 562 00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:22,640 of the parameters of what their anticipation is, what their schedule and at least that 563 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:28,480 you're aware and I know that that'll also be something that we can bring is just kind 564 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,000 of a follow up. 565 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,680 The next conversation with council will be specifically on residential streets, but we 566 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:39,360 can include as a part of that presentation, just the follow up we received from text out 567 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:40,360 as a timeline. 568 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,200 I think that will be helpful to all of us. 569 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,200 That works. 570 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:45,200 Anything else? 571 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:50,440 I'd love to follow up a little bit on the Hickory Creek Road conversation, you know, 572 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:57,680 I know that you're aware of the questions and concerns that we've been getting both, 573 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:02,840 I guess maybe we should talk about two separate issues, the median break at Livingston Drive 574 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:08,280 and then the possibility of like interim safety improvements, you know, for the next two years 575 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:14,520 until Hickory Creek Phase 3 is completed. 576 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:19,760 What does the process look like for evaluating whether a median break is possible or feasible 577 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,600 at Livingston? 578 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:28,880 The median break at Livingston has been brought to our attention and we are already working 579 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:36,040 through adding the median, so we're currently working on the, with the contractor, a change 580 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:42,160 order to add that to that project and working on the funding that's associated with that. 581 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:47,560 So after that was brought to our attention, it wasn't something that I was aware of or 582 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,200 staff was aware of. 583 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:54,400 We worked through that evaluation and understand the concerns and I know you're aware there 584 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,920 were several individuals that were actually going to speak on that topic at the last council 585 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:02,320 meeting but we were able to make them aware of the fact that we were able to work through 586 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:08,080 that issue and so at this point it is in the process of being added to that project and 587 00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,920 looking for the funding associated with that to be added. 588 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:17,480 So I'm hoping that, from my perspective, that issue has been resolved. 589 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,420 As far as the connectivity, I think where you're going with your second question with 590 00:43:21,420 --> 00:43:26,920 1830 and existing Hickory Creek Road, that's a text dot roadway. 591 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:33,320 Text dot does not have any plans at this time to install any type of signal or any work 592 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:34,320 at all. 593 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:40,440 FM 1830 is not even, or Country Club Road is not even a road that's a part of their overall 594 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:45,780 what they call sandbox, which is the list of projects that they anticipate having completed 595 00:43:45,780 --> 00:43:52,920 in any future timeframe and so currently there are no plans that we're aware of to make any 596 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,120 improvements in that area. 597 00:43:55,120 --> 00:44:01,920 Is there any kind of procedure for requesting a three-way stop sign at an intersection? 598 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:07,680 As far as that intersection goes, we can bring that up to text dot's attention that we've 599 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:16,440 received the request and talk through that with them, but at this time we're not aware 600 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:21,960 of any type of three-way stop, signalization, anything at that intersection. 601 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,520 And I know you've seen as when the future roadway is constructed, that will no longer 602 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:32,360 even be that connection, but happy to add that to our agenda to discuss with text dot 603 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:38,760 to see if they have any improvement measures that they can recommend in that area, but 604 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,560 because it is their roadway, we would have to coordinate with them. 605 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,840 We're only one of the three spokes. 606 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:45,840 Right. 607 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:53,360 Okay, and we are, I think I recall from last night that we are requesting a reduction in 608 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:58,840 the speed limit on Country Club Road though, which will certainly help to address those 609 00:44:58,840 --> 00:44:59,840 concerns. 610 00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:00,840 I don't have that memorized. 611 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:07,080 I'm pretty sure, I feel like I wrote down like, oh good, that road segment we're requesting 612 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:08,080 that. 613 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:13,720 Country Club Road near Hickory Creek, yes, Nathan is saying yes, so that's been submitted 614 00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:14,720 to text dot. 615 00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:16,880 Yeah, from 50 to 45, or we're requesting that it go from 50. 616 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:17,880 Right. 617 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,520 Okay, great, thank you so much. 618 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:20,520 Absolutely. 619 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,480 I have a couple of questions here. 620 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:30,920 Roundabouts, I've been hearing some chatter about more roundabouts in the city. 621 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:36,320 Can you give me just a bit of information on how is that coming? 622 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:37,320 How did that come about? 623 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:44,720 And if that's something that we can look forward to in the city, more roundabouts? 624 00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:49,280 What I would tell you is, is roundabouts are used as intersection control, just like a 625 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,640 traffic signal is used. 626 00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:57,760 They are evaluated on certain projects as whether or not they make sense from a design 627 00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:03,040 perspective, and those are things that our consultants can bring to our attention. 628 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:07,960 The most recent conversation in regards to roundabouts that has been brought to my attention 629 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:13,520 is the pitch we received last night, and those are all text dot roadways, so we'll be working 630 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,640 with text dot on that conversation. 631 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,560 None of those roadways are city of Denton roadways that we have the authority to make 632 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:27,700 those determinations over, that we'll bring that up, but in general, we currently do not 633 00:46:27,700 --> 00:46:33,200 have roadways that are designed to include roundabouts on any of the projects that we 634 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:34,640 have underway. 635 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:42,960 I will tell you, there are some previous schematics that show roundabouts in some of the areas 636 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:48,080 along Bonnie Bray sections that haven't been improved, and so as a part of the conversation 637 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:54,160 and a part of the design process, specifically on those phase four, B, and five, those will 638 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:55,600 be things that are evaluated. 639 00:46:55,600 --> 00:47:02,040 As you know, there's already a roundabout at scripture, so I'm not aware of any additional, 640 00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:07,560 like I said, besides the one that was mentioned last night, nothing else is coming to my head. 641 00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:22,340 Also, for educational purposes, how does a roadway end up on the schematics for the bond? 642 00:47:22,340 --> 00:47:30,400 As a city council member, I'll get a call from someone that lives on Spencer Road that 643 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:36,920 now has an apartment complex on it, as well as a senior living, as well as Lowe's and 644 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:42,120 an exit for Walmart, and a road that's two lanes. 645 00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:49,320 Now I'm getting questioned as to why didn't they do this before they knew all this was 646 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:50,320 happening? 647 00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:55,120 I know people don't understand that the business has to come in first and then the road has 648 00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:59,160 to meet the expectation of the development. 649 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:08,880 A road like Spencer Road or a road like McKinney, East McKinney, Audra, those kind of steel 650 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:18,760 two lane roads where we are now getting the development on, how does a road get attention? 651 00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:20,440 Sure. 652 00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:21,440 Couple of things. 653 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,040 There's different levels of classifications of roadways and different ways roadways go 654 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,640 through the bond package. 655 00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:35,220 As far as a residential roadway, there's many factors that go into those roadways, such 656 00:48:35,220 --> 00:48:37,960 as the overall condition index. 657 00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:43,040 We work with Danny and his team to evaluate the overall condition index, look to see if 658 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:47,760 there's any water or wastewater utilities that need to be done in those areas, too. 659 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:52,440 Those are typically some of those bond packages you see, just like the one that started in 660 00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:53,940 Sedna. 661 00:48:53,940 --> 00:48:57,560 Maybe some of the modifications that you're seeing is that we're adding more pieces to 662 00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:58,560 the puzzle. 663 00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:03,340 We're adding the franchise utilities, the street light, the sidewalk, and minimal drainage 664 00:49:03,340 --> 00:49:06,760 improvements if needed. 665 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:07,760 That's a different thing. 666 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,760 Some of the roadways you're talking about are higher classifications of roadways. 667 00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,120 When they go through the development process, it's a part of the transportation planning's 668 00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,060 team to evaluate that. 669 00:49:17,060 --> 00:49:22,140 They perform traffic impact analysis, the developer does, that actually show we're going 670 00:49:22,140 --> 00:49:28,280 to add this many cars to this road in this area with this many trips. 671 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:32,760 An evaluation is done as to are there some of the areas of those roadways that the developer 672 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:38,800 is responsible for improving, such as a side road or the road that goes across the front 673 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,000 of their road, is there a right turn lane that needs to be added. 674 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:46,480 It's a part of the development review process for the specific developments. 675 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:52,240 As far as a major roadway like Bonnie Bray, keep in mind McKinney Street was all Textot 676 00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:58,400 up until just a few years ago when the city took that road over from Textot. 677 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:03,120 Those types of roadways when we're developing our five-year CIP, which we're about to start 678 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:09,120 kicking off within the next month or so with collaboration with the finance department, 679 00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:14,080 as we're working through those, we're looking at where have we seen a lot of growth, where 680 00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:19,620 do we hear a lot of traffic congestion complaints or concerns, what does the overall mobility 681 00:50:19,620 --> 00:50:25,040 plan show and where are some of those areas that we have to improve. 682 00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,240 Many times those are triggered by the Textot roadway improvements. 683 00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:34,280 For example, if Textot is going to do FM 1515, now we have to do some of the utility relocations 684 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:35,480 in that area. 685 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:40,000 There may be some additional roadways that connect to that that we may be evaluating. 686 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:44,560 But typically to come up with major roadways that are a part of a bond package, Bonnie 687 00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:49,560 Bray's, McKinney's, May Hill's, those are things that are evaluated based on looking 688 00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:55,480 at where the demand is, where the growth is, where do we have the traffic congestion, and 689 00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,680 what does our overall mobility plan show. 690 00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:02,920 The goal with adopting that mobility plan is coming up with a plan of, okay, these are 691 00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,440 the roadways we need to do over the next five years or we need to get started. 692 00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:13,220 And so a lot of that is just analysis of looking at that planning document and then taking 693 00:51:13,220 --> 00:51:18,880 it through initiation, which evaluating what's happening in that area, submitting, coming 694 00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,840 up with an estimate of cost, saying these are roadways that make sense or these are 695 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,680 roadways that need to be widened. 696 00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,800 The McKinney you gave the example between Audra and the Loop is a great example of a 697 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:35,200 roadway that we all believe would be much nicer if it was widened. 698 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,920 It would have to be something that we would propose as a future bond project, because 699 00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:44,960 it's multi-million dollars to do all of the utility relocations, the drainage installation, 700 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:46,760 the right-of-way acquisition, et cetera. 701 00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:52,280 So I tried to break it down into different buckets 'cause it kind of depends on the process, 702 00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:56,760 but there are many roadways that are being improved or at least the roadways that are 703 00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:03,560 a party to developments just simply because of the development improvements that are required. 704 00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:11,920 It just seems like everything, I'm just talking about in my district, everything that's leading 705 00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:19,140 up towards 288 is just the next step to get those ready. 706 00:52:19,140 --> 00:52:25,400 So my question really was, would a road like that end up on a bond package, which I think 707 00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,600 that you just answered that question. 708 00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:28,600 Yes, absolutely. 709 00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:35,120 A road like Spencer and I assume you're talking from the Loop to Mayhill, where it's two lane, 710 00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:40,000 we have Lowe's, Rosa's, Walmart, a lot of things connected. 711 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:45,280 It would be a roadway we would look at from a capacity standpoint, see that based on doing 712 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:50,940 traffic studies, whether or not the capacity, we're actually counting cars, how many people 713 00:52:50,940 --> 00:52:55,560 are using this, doing a traffic impact analysis, understanding, yes, that's a roadway that 714 00:52:55,560 --> 00:53:00,040 needs to be widened and then making a decision that would be brought before council to say, 715 00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:05,440 here's our recommendation of the roadways that we think should be a part of a bond package. 716 00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,720 Here's the overall funding. 717 00:53:07,720 --> 00:53:12,120 Here's the slot of a five year timeframe that we believe these need to be improved. 718 00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,560 Do you recommend this or do you not? 719 00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,360 So that's kind of how we would walk through that process. 720 00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:24,080 And actually when you do a specific bond, it goes through a very specific bond committee 721 00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:28,600 group of individuals who make those recommendations that then come before council. 722 00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,040 So there are a few steps in advance. 723 00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:31,040 Okay. 724 00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:38,360 And this is just a side note, but I had started receiving some, I don't think there were complaints, 725 00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:45,520 but the senior citizen group that live, neighborhood that lives on the road, I was, we started 726 00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:52,460 receiving information from them that now that that apartment complex is over, they couldn't 727 00:53:52,460 --> 00:53:59,160 swerve out of the, onto the street far, you know, they had to make a really tight turn 728 00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:00,960 and that was kind of hard on them. 729 00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:04,640 They were seeing that somebody is going to run over us while we're trying to get out 730 00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:05,640 on the roadway. 731 00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:11,000 But I do travel that road and I can understand what they're saying because it's kind of tight 732 00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:17,040 in there, but that's what triggered me to come back to you all and let you know that, 733 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:21,880 hey, don't forget this road here, which I knew you wouldn't, but it was just, that was 734 00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:27,080 my little funny part about them squirming in, they don't just, oh, it's so much more 735 00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:31,700 traffic now, council woman, can you have them to come and do something about this road? 736 00:54:31,700 --> 00:54:38,920 So, but they are out there and we just have to make sure that we are keeping in mind that 737 00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,760 there are some folks over there that's used to swinging out. 738 00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:42,760 Yeah. 739 00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:43,760 That sounds very dangerous. 740 00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:48,520 I hope they're not swinging out and oncoming traffic, so that would not be a recommendation, 741 00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:54,520 but I will tell you too, in your CIP packet that was prepared this year with collaboration 742 00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:59,200 of all the departments, our department, and then of course, finance, finance did include 743 00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:06,720 in one of the front documents of that booklet, a future bond kind of list of projects that 744 00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:12,680 might be anticipated and we are having internal discussions and that's already listed on a 745 00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,520 work session for late December, I believe. 746 00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:23,860 That's just kind of a general, sorry, that's just kind of a general, like, how things are 747 00:55:23,860 --> 00:55:30,200 done kind of a question, so, you know, obviously, as we think about the upcoming county bond 748 00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:36,640 package, there are a lot of projects that the city is collaborating with the county 749 00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,760 on that are part of that bond package. 750 00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,200 Has that happened in the past? 751 00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:46,200 Is that a new thing for us to collaborate with the county in that way? 752 00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:51,440 I'm not aware of the county putting forward a bond package as substantial as it is now. 753 00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:58,140 Now, as far as collaboration, there are many projects that the city, the county, and tech 754 00:55:58,140 --> 00:56:04,480 set are all in alignment because we all share the same thoroughfare plan, but I'm not aware 755 00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,800 of a roadway project specifically. 756 00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:12,560 My understanding is this TRIP overall bond program is the largest bond program the county's 757 00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:13,880 ever put forward. 758 00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:18,840 So when we heard about it and we've been hearing about it for months because we have a very 759 00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:24,840 close relationship with Mr. Polster, obviously, and he represents the county, and so as we've 760 00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:29,080 been hearing about that, we've had a list of projects we've been submitting for over 761 00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:37,320 a year and we've just been getting those well-defined numbers and scopes more well-defined, too. 762 00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:42,140 But I'm not aware, but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened. 763 00:56:42,140 --> 00:56:47,080 Just in my timeframe here, I'm not aware of a project that we've done in that fashion. 764 00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:53,480 Now, I will tell you, as you see on some of the projects that Mr. Hurd submitted on and 765 00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:59,680 presented to you today, there are several projects that are county-led projects, but 766 00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:04,440 some of those come from feedback they receive from the surrounding cities, such as the Outer 767 00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:08,000 Loop, such as the frontage roads for Loop 288. 768 00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,720 The city works very closely with the county to tell them how important it is that we do 769 00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:16,160 those frontage roads, because currently no developments along that corridor, because 770 00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:21,360 it's what's called a controlled access freeway, because it's 60 miles per hour, can make connection 771 00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,280 directly to the frontage road for safety reasons. 772 00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:30,480 So there are projects that we really work with TxDOT or the county to move forward with. 773 00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:36,640 But I'm not aware, I can ask the question, but I will tell you, we worked very hard to 774 00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:42,960 try to make sure with Mr. Polster and with, you know, overall with the county that these 775 00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,840 are very important projects for the city. 776 00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:50,600 And we also have those same conversations with COG and talk to them about, you know, 777 00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:55,920 here are some of the mobility challenges the city has in areas where we see the growth 778 00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,600 coming where we want to actually widen and add the capacity that's needed. 779 00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:05,360 Well, kudos on that I mean, successful collaboration, because that's, I mean, those projects are 780 00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:06,920 going to make a really huge difference for us. 781 00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:07,920 So great work on that. 782 00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:08,920 Yes. 783 00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:09,920 Thank you very much, ma'am. 784 00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:16,560 We're looking forward to the bond election passing, if it so does. 785 00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:17,560 All righty. 786 00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:18,560 Anything else? 787 00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:19,560 I don't have anything else. 788 00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:20,560 Looks like you're all right. 789 00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:21,560 Thank you very much. 790 00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:22,560 Absolutely. 791 00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:23,560 Thank you. 792 00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:31,560 All righty and we are adjourned. 793 00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:38,280 We have any concluding items or you okay with any I think we've said all we could say. 794 00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:46,120 So I will adjourn this meeting at approximately well, it's ten fifty nine a.m. 795 00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:47,120 There we go. 796 00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:48,120 Thank you.