WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:11.480 Good morning and welcome. I'd like to open the Public Utility Board meeting for the City 00:00:11.480 --> 00:00:21.880 of Denton on Monday July 2022. It is 9 a.m. First point of order, are there any members 00:00:21.880 --> 00:00:27.480 from the public that would like to speak or make any comments or ask any questions? Doesn't 00:00:27.480 --> 00:00:34.200 appear to be so. Is anybody on the phone? No? If not, we'll move on to the regular meeting. 00:00:34.200 --> 00:00:40.240 And the Consent Agenda. I've had some requests to pull some items. So far I've got A, B, 00:00:40.240 --> 00:00:50.280 and F. Anybody else? Ben? Item D is in Dog. D is in Dog. I think that's plenty. Would 00:00:50.280 --> 00:00:58.680 you like to consider items C and E? Oh, I'm sorry. I left the next page off. G is there 00:00:58.680 --> 00:01:06.480 also. C and E and G. We got three. Chair, who have you got down pulling B? I thought 00:01:06.480 --> 00:01:10.920 it was C. Well, I'm going to if somebody else didn't want to. I think you did, didn't you? 00:01:10.920 --> 00:01:16.320 Did you not? I will. You did. Okay. Okay. I did initially too. I was talking with Tony. 00:01:16.320 --> 00:01:24.280 I looked at the yeah. But I found out what I needed, so. I'd like to pull it. If we pull 00:01:24.280 --> 00:01:28.960 B, it has to be moved to closed session. Yes. Just making sure you know. Yeah. Okay. All 00:01:28.960 --> 00:01:35.240 right. Let's try this again. We're going to consider a motion for items C, E, and G. So 00:01:35.240 --> 00:01:43.440 moved. Second. The motion is second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? 00:01:43.440 --> 00:01:57.640 No. All right. Let's talk about item A. That was you, Lee, right? Can I say you? Yes, sir. 00:01:57.640 --> 00:02:08.900 I pulled that. I requested item A. He's coming. Okay. Here comes Brian. Good morning. Good 00:02:08.900 --> 00:02:17.560 morning. So just to restate your question or concern, this is a fairly thick document 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:26.040 that we've got here and fairly robust in its plan looking at managing solid waste in the 00:02:26.040 --> 00:02:33.220 city of Denton over the next 40 plus years. Several of y'all have not been with us throughout 00:02:33.220 --> 00:02:37.840 this entire process. We started back October a couple of years ago. COVID slowed us down 00:02:37.840 --> 00:02:42.360 a little bit because we couldn't get together like we would normally do in a planning process. 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:50.200 But we're here today to really sort of roll out and get the resolution passed to accept 00:02:50.200 --> 00:02:56.720 the strategy itself with a focus on diversion. Not transportation diversion, you know, moving 00:02:56.720 --> 00:03:01.880 waste from one point to another, but diverting waste from being ultimately disposed of. What 00:03:01.880 --> 00:03:07.920 the strategy outlines is the tools. It's kind of like, you know, the old movie Apollo 13. 00:03:07.920 --> 00:03:12.560 You know, they get up in space. There's an explosion. They got to get them back to Earth. 00:03:12.560 --> 00:03:17.400 And they only got so many resources and so many things that they can do. And there was 00:03:17.400 --> 00:03:21.840 the wonderful line said, well, it wasn't designed to do that. And that's really sort of where 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:26.360 we're at now. It's, okay, what can it do? What can we do with the materials we have available 00:03:26.360 --> 00:03:33.480 to make the necessary elimination of the waste ultimate disposal? Whether it be through traditional 00:03:33.480 --> 00:03:39.340 recycling, whether it be through non-programmatic recycling, such as textiles, you know, whatever 00:03:39.340 --> 00:03:46.160 other material that might be out there. So and then looking and partnering with other 00:03:46.160 --> 00:03:51.500 cities that may be bringing their waste here to become more robust in their diversionary 00:03:51.500 --> 00:03:59.580 tactics also. Just a couple of minutes ago, y'all approved the new gen cost of service 00:03:59.580 --> 00:04:03.080 study. That's going to be important for us as we start trying to figure out how much 00:04:03.080 --> 00:04:06.640 this thing is going to cost. Because again, looking at specifically, you know, how much 00:04:06.640 --> 00:04:12.440 we have to spend every time we touch a piece of garbage is really important for us to do 00:04:12.440 --> 00:04:18.600 that. So, you know, going as we go through not only this budget planning session, but 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:23.520 also future budget planning sessions that will help us define what these different costs 00:04:23.520 --> 00:04:30.640 are going to be. Ideally, in a best case scenario, best case world, third party partners throughout 00:04:30.640 --> 00:04:35.040 the city will be, whether we bring them in through some sort of economic development 00:04:35.040 --> 00:04:40.440 issues or existing providers here, we'll be managing some of this waste independent 00:04:40.440 --> 00:04:45.160 of the city of Denton so that we don't have to touch it. So it will be net zero to us 00:04:45.160 --> 00:04:52.200 at that end. And by doing that, we can keep control on the cost that our residents are 00:04:52.200 --> 00:04:56.500 having to pay curbside to manage their material. 00:04:56.500 --> 00:05:02.720 What kind of time frame do you think it's going to take to implement these new programmatic 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:03.720 policies? 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:09.360 Well, again, it's continual learning is what it is. And one of the good parts about 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:14.040 having a strategy versus a plan, it allows us to be much more nimble and much more quick 00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:19.200 to respond to things such as market forces, designs and technology changes, changes in 00:05:19.200 --> 00:05:25.520 state law. I mean, currently, we cannot put a bag ban or a bottle deposit bill in place 00:05:25.520 --> 00:05:31.600 here in the city of Denton or across the state because the Texas State Charter says we can't. 00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:35.520 They've got privacy on that rule. So again, you know, given those two things that hobble 00:05:35.520 --> 00:05:39.720 us just a little bit, what are we going to have to do to manage that material moving 00:05:39.720 --> 00:05:44.480 forward? What kind of incentives might we have to do? How can we create value in this 00:05:44.480 --> 00:05:49.280 material so that somebody, maybe other than our current processor, Pratt, but somebody 00:05:49.280 --> 00:05:54.720 like film, Pratt can't take it. So, you know, who would be -- and when I talk about film, 00:05:54.720 --> 00:06:00.040 I'm talking about plastic sheeting, plastic things of that nature that are not rigid containers. 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:04.360 So who can we get in town that will help us collect that, but more importantly process 00:06:04.360 --> 00:06:09.880 that for ultimate recycling and end use as opposed to disposal. 00:06:09.880 --> 00:06:13.600 >> Okay. Well, back to my question. Time frame? 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:19.520 >> Time frame. Again, this is, as I said earlier, this is a continual process. We've put a couple 00:06:19.520 --> 00:06:27.240 of really short-term goals and long-term goals. As we had stated earlier in our budget presentation 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:31.440 here a couple, three weeks ago, we want to be able to divert, you know, over 30 percent 00:06:31.440 --> 00:06:39.640 by 2030, 40 percent by 2040, 75 percent by 2075. We feel that these are attainable just 00:06:39.640 --> 00:06:43.240 because of the time frame that they're in, but also it gives us the time to ramp up, 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:49.640 you know, to get some of these programs in place. You know, we're not going to be putting 00:06:49.640 --> 00:06:54.320 any physical plans or physical programs in place in this next budget year. There's a 00:06:54.320 --> 00:06:57.600 lot of things administratively that we have to do. We're going to have to change our code 00:06:57.600 --> 00:07:02.200 of ordinances to help support what's in the plan here. We're going to have to go out with 00:07:02.200 --> 00:07:06.520 some economic development plans, try to identify third-party providers to come in and manage 00:07:06.520 --> 00:07:13.360 construction and demolition debris, rock, non-programmatic materials such as textiles, 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:19.000 you know, the material that Pratt can't take, you know, glass. Currently, you know, Pratt 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:22.560 is doing a wonderful job by managing our glass, but they have to transport it all the way 00:07:22.560 --> 00:07:27.780 down to Houston for it to be processed. If we can find enough glass here in the North 00:07:27.780 --> 00:07:32.160 Texas area so that we can get glass processor here in the city of Denton, not only have 00:07:32.160 --> 00:07:35.840 we reduced emissions from hauling that stuff all the way down to Houston, but we've created 00:07:35.840 --> 00:07:41.160 jobs, we've created a market, and so that's part of what all of next year will be. And 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:46.280 then in 2023, '24, that's when we start putting physical things in place, such as, you know, 00:07:46.280 --> 00:07:53.360 additional recycling. We're looking at implementing a comprehensive diversion ordinance where everybody 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:57.640 will have to recycle in some way, shape, or form. So from commercially, it's not going 00:07:57.640 --> 00:08:02.480 to be optional anymore, but you're going to tell us how you're going to do it and the 00:08:02.480 --> 00:08:05.880 material that you have to recycle. So it may be the programmatic stuff that we currently 00:08:05.880 --> 00:08:10.480 take, you know, bottles, containers, metal cans, things of that nature, or places like 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:16.580 Tetrapak and Peterbilt, which, you know, currently have wonderful zero waste type of facilities. 00:08:16.580 --> 00:08:20.840 So managing that material themselves, they're the experts in what they manage. They can 00:08:20.840 --> 00:08:24.600 work within their supply chain to manage that, and that's really what we want to leverage 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:29.520 through the implementation. You had mentioned about the transportation all the way to Houston 00:08:29.520 --> 00:08:35.560 for the glass. Yes. By getting something up here, does that also reduce the cost of the 00:08:35.560 --> 00:08:39.640 recycling? Yes, it does. Because again, you know, every time somebody touches this, every 00:08:39.640 --> 00:08:44.400 mile that we have to put it on the road, you know, increases the processing cost. Currently, 00:08:44.400 --> 00:08:49.160 you know, we're very fortunate with our contract with Pratt because currently we don't pay 00:08:49.160 --> 00:08:53.440 anything for the processing, but many of the cities around here are paying between $75 00:08:53.440 --> 00:09:00.640 and $90 a ton just to manage that material so that it can go into processing. So if we 00:09:00.640 --> 00:09:06.320 can get something here, it significantly reduces that processing cost. When we get out of this 00:09:06.320 --> 00:09:10.920 current contract with Pratt, I would imagine that we're going to be faced with increased 00:09:10.920 --> 00:09:15.720 processing charges instead of zero, like we're doing now. So we have to position ourselves 00:09:15.720 --> 00:09:19.720 right now to be able to manage that material at the lowest possible. In preparation for 00:09:19.720 --> 00:09:24.640 that. In preparation, correct. Well, thank you. That answers most of my questions, so 00:09:24.640 --> 00:09:32.240 I'll certainly let some others get a word in edgewise. Mr. Beck? Takes time. Good morning. 00:09:32.240 --> 00:09:37.440 Good morning. On your waste management hierarchy, you've got source reduction. You were talking 00:09:37.440 --> 00:09:42.040 about Tetra Pak and what they're doing. Would that be something that would fall into that 00:09:42.040 --> 00:09:48.720 category? I mean, can you give us kind of a broad? Yeah. I mean, source reduction is 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:53.560 much bigger than just taking it off the top and not bringing it to us. I mean, source 00:09:53.560 --> 00:09:57.920 reduction can even be looking at our own households. So instead of just going through the grocery 00:09:57.920 --> 00:10:01.280 store, this looks good, this looks good, this looks good. You know, if you make a menu and 00:10:01.280 --> 00:10:05.620 buy only what you need, then you don't have that bag of salad or a bag of kale that looked 00:10:05.620 --> 00:10:09.880 really good, but now it's this green mushy thing sitting in the bottom of the refrigerator. 00:10:09.880 --> 00:10:15.160 So you buy what you need, you buy only what you need, and then you use it all completely. 00:10:15.160 --> 00:10:18.600 So that's the source reduction. Same thing, you know, as you scale up to something like 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:22.760 a Tetra Pak, you know. Most of your things are first in, first out, buy only what you 00:10:22.760 --> 00:10:28.760 need, use it all, don't have anything else to throw away. Okay. So this is just a concept 00:10:28.760 --> 00:10:33.280 that can be put out there in the public. We've got to lay on the public that they have some 00:10:33.280 --> 00:10:37.760 obligations. Correct. You know, and it's not this, this is not the City of Denton's program 00:10:37.760 --> 00:10:45.000 as a unity. It is a City of Denton cooperative. It's going to be a partnership between residents, 00:10:45.000 --> 00:10:50.800 commercial businesses, visitors to the city, us as the city actually being the implementing 00:10:50.800 --> 00:11:02.160 agency to make this happen. Great. Thank you. Kevin. Thank you, Chair. So this, the plan 00:11:02.160 --> 00:11:10.040 is really thorough. It's amazing. I actually missed the, in April, I believe, we came before 00:11:10.040 --> 00:11:13.960 the board and I was not able to attend that meeting. And, you know, it's got a lot of 00:11:13.960 --> 00:11:22.800 great goals and a lot of information. The research depth of Burns and... Burns and McDonnell. 00:11:22.800 --> 00:11:29.280 Burns and McDonnell. They have amazing resources. And so I have to say, the plan looks beautiful. 00:11:29.280 --> 00:11:36.640 I think it's very important to reflect on Appendix B, which is the citizen input. Correct. 00:11:36.640 --> 00:11:43.160 The think tank. And, you know, this, the items in Appendix B, the goals that the citizens 00:11:43.160 --> 00:11:49.360 want, the vision the citizens like, you know, that's, that's been really consistent since 00:11:49.360 --> 00:11:57.400 I started participating in citizen stuff in Denton, maybe about 20 years ago, like the 00:11:57.400 --> 00:12:03.160 citywide comprehensive plan, the 2020 plan, the 2030 plan. Are we on the 2040 plan now? 00:12:03.160 --> 00:12:09.800 I think. 2040 plan now, yeah. Yeah. So like in 2020, the 2020 plan and the 2030 plan, 00:12:09.800 --> 00:12:16.520 and I assume the 2040 plan, there was a lot of focus on, we want to be innovators and 00:12:16.520 --> 00:12:25.040 leaders, you know, and, and I think in our, in our goals, we have to get the data collection 00:12:25.040 --> 00:12:28.300 put together where we can measure whether or not we're achieving our goals, whether 00:12:28.300 --> 00:12:34.480 or not we're improving, where we have to have, you have to have the administrative capability 00:12:34.480 --> 00:12:39.400 to launch new programs, evaluate them, terminate them if necessary, or support them if they're 00:12:39.400 --> 00:12:44.560 doing well. So there is a bunch of back office work, if you will. So I definitely understand. 00:12:44.560 --> 00:12:49.000 I think that's, that's great. And I hope we can, this board can support that back office 00:12:49.000 --> 00:12:56.640 and administrative work. And I do think though, the goals here in the plan will be a starting 00:12:56.640 --> 00:13:03.000 point to continue to follow the vision of the citizens that, that's been carried for 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:08.640 at least 20 years of really innovating and trying to, you know, do the best thing for 00:13:08.640 --> 00:13:16.000 the citizens cost wise, environmental impact, neighborhood wise, you know, diversion wise, 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:22.200 cost of permitting, you know, like when we fill up the landfill again, now we just expanded 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:27.840 it, you know, at some point we, you know, we want, this is an important reason for diversion 00:13:27.840 --> 00:13:34.200 is to make that landfill last as long as possible. You know, at one point, you know, that we've 00:13:34.200 --> 00:13:40.040 talked about zero waste, and it's perhaps not fully feasible, but it's, I think it's 00:13:40.040 --> 00:13:44.840 an aspirational goal. We want to not have to keep making new landfills a hundred years 00:13:44.840 --> 00:13:50.520 from now. And I don't know if we'll get there even in a hundred years. So like I said, the 00:13:50.520 --> 00:13:55.240 content of this plan is really great. And I just want to make sure that we say this is, 00:13:55.240 --> 00:14:02.760 this is the starting point and that we can continue to find new ways to divert, to improve 00:14:02.760 --> 00:14:09.440 our efficiency, to improve our environmental footprint. And, you know, whether it's partnering 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:14.840 with external partners or improving internal systems, you know, in the, within the solid 00:14:14.840 --> 00:14:15.840 waste department. 00:14:15.840 --> 00:14:18.960 Well, I think you hit the nail right on the head is this is a starting point. And again, 00:14:18.960 --> 00:14:23.160 it's the strategy, not a plan. Plans are very static. We're going to do, we're going to 00:14:23.160 --> 00:14:26.400 put this kind of collection in place. But what this allows us to do is look at that 00:14:26.400 --> 00:14:31.120 data and, and right as you said, be able to evaluate, be very nimble in how we approach 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:35.080 the, you know, the, the reduction and the diversion of this material when also thank 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:40.680 you for bringing up the comp plan. We went into this sort of arm in arm with the development 00:14:40.680 --> 00:14:45.760 department to ensure that it was consistent with the planning and the, and the timeframe 00:14:45.760 --> 00:14:49.720 of the comp plan. In previous comprehensive plans, you've had, you know, we're going 00:14:49.720 --> 00:14:53.960 to do these sustainability things and these solid waste things. I think one absence that 00:14:53.960 --> 00:14:58.960 you'll notice in this current comprehensive plan is it doesn't talk about specific solid 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:03.240 waste goals, but what it does is it references our solid waste strategy. And just as you 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:07.680 said, you know, it serves at that building, that building block, that spring point, spring 00:15:07.680 --> 00:15:13.560 board, you know, into to continual improvement and growth, you know, talking with the community 00:15:13.560 --> 00:15:20.160 about what needs to happen and then how we go about implementing some of those programs. 00:15:20.160 --> 00:15:21.160 Thank you. 00:15:21.160 --> 00:15:29.240 Very good input. It was a great program. Looks like a really good plan. Thank you. I was 00:15:29.240 --> 00:15:32.720 telling you that earlier. I really appreciate what you're doing. I appreciate the support 00:15:32.720 --> 00:15:41.600 that y'all give us here. So thank you. Mr. Rebek. I'd like to move we approve item A. 00:15:41.600 --> 00:15:47.360 The motion and a second. Any further discussion? If not, all those in favor, please say aye. 00:15:47.360 --> 00:15:54.800 Any opposed? Item A is passed. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, we're going to move on to 00:15:54.800 --> 00:16:08.480 item D. D is in dog. See why somebody might have a question on that. Ben. Good morning. 00:16:08.480 --> 00:16:13.440 Mark Zimmer, DME engineering. Happy to answer any questions you might have. Howdy. Okay. 00:16:13.440 --> 00:16:24.040 So kind of looking through this. So we've got a retainer for the company and then billable 00:16:24.040 --> 00:16:32.120 hours for work. It just kind of makes me wonder how does that compare to if we hired staff 00:16:32.120 --> 00:16:37.760 to do that as the as the city? What's the benefit to us? So staff does not have people 00:16:37.760 --> 00:16:41.440 capable of performing that type of work, nor do we have the equipment needed to work on 00:16:41.440 --> 00:16:48.760 the transmission lines. Okay. Just not even an option? Right. Okay. That's a good reason. 00:16:48.760 --> 00:16:57.800 I think that's all I had actually. It's a lot of money though, Ben. Yeah, yeah. Anybody 00:16:57.800 --> 00:17:11.620 else? I'm sorry. About how many events per year per 10 years require us to use transmission 00:17:11.620 --> 00:17:16.200 voltage repair services? Yes. And I've been here for almost 10 years and we've had to 00:17:16.200 --> 00:17:24.560 use it one time. And so this this $150,000 it's really insurance, right? Just it just 00:17:24.560 --> 00:17:29.200 ensures they're available in the event we need them. Even though we have contract with 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:33.400 them now, it doesn't guarantee they'll be available for work and emergencies. It just 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:39.000 kind of guarantees rates, right? So this retainer guarantees them to be available within eight 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:53.120 hours with two crews and the equipment needed. Anyone else? Okay. Entertain a motion. Mr. 00:17:53.120 --> 00:18:02.320 Ryback. Mr. Ryback, second. Any more discussion? If not, all those in favor, please say aye. 00:18:02.320 --> 00:18:13.120 Aye. Opposed? Passes. Thank you very much. Okay. Item F, as in Frank. Is that was that 00:18:13.120 --> 00:18:24.520 you, Ben? No, I'm sorry. Good morning. I'm Jerry Field. I'm the engineering division 00:18:24.520 --> 00:18:31.080 manager for DME. What questions do you have regarding this project? Mr. Ryback. Yes, I 00:18:31.080 --> 00:18:34.960 was the one who asked to pull this. I was curious if you could just give us a little 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:42.840 bit more information about this particular item. And I didn't have anything in specific, 00:18:42.840 --> 00:18:48.640 but you know, there are some dollars involved and there's a program implementation. I thought 00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:52.800 perhaps you could tell us a little bit more about it. You bet. I'll do my best without 00:18:52.800 --> 00:18:57.120 getting into too much ingenuity. Some of you guys may understand it, but we tend to come 00:18:57.120 --> 00:19:02.960 a little bit more in depth on conversation. But these items are items that we put at the 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:06.760 end of all the, or we're going to eventually put at the end of a hundred feeders. And we 00:19:06.760 --> 00:19:11.120 call them, I'm calling them a bell weather meter. And what it does is it gives us a real 00:19:11.120 --> 00:19:16.440 time voltage response of what's happening at the end of feeder. Now, from a regulatory 00:19:16.440 --> 00:19:25.760 standpoint, I have to maintain 114 to 127 volts, but there is this process called conservation 00:19:25.760 --> 00:19:31.280 voltage reduction, which we artificially lower the voltage on the system. And what that does 00:19:31.280 --> 00:19:36.600 for us is that reduces actually the amount of power we have to purchase during that timeframe. 00:19:36.600 --> 00:19:41.960 So we like to keep our four CP days low. And so this is when we typically use this program 00:19:41.960 --> 00:19:50.440 is yes, sir. What is a CP day? Coincident peak day. Thank you. Yes. So this is an artificial 00:19:50.440 --> 00:19:56.240 lowering of the voltage during that time. And what this item likes allows us to do is 00:19:56.240 --> 00:20:03.260 have real time input coming in back to the system. So the folks in the operations operations 00:20:03.260 --> 00:20:07.680 area are watching the voltage constantly, making sure we don't violate anything. Now, 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:12.120 even though I can go down to 114 volts, we keep it at 116. We had that safety factor 00:20:12.120 --> 00:20:16.680 in there. So what happens if they see anything going below 116, they'll actually jack the 00:20:16.680 --> 00:20:21.200 voltage back up at the substation. So what we want to do is we've, we put this on six 00:20:21.200 --> 00:20:26.960 feeders and we had a, um, we had a proof of concept and what we're based upon the savings 00:20:26.960 --> 00:20:32.680 that we saw with proof of concept, we're expecting that with this at $500 per megawatt hour, we 00:20:32.680 --> 00:20:37.960 could save about $383,000 per year. So within a couple of years, we've paid for this project 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:43.360 just for that standpoint. Um, that number that you came up with is based on current 00:20:43.360 --> 00:20:50.120 rates. Yes. Based on current and project. Well, based on energy rates. Um, what I'm 00:20:50.120 --> 00:20:53.920 talking about is what we're being charged through the ERCOT system. It's not really 00:20:53.920 --> 00:20:59.600 based on the living sense average that we pay or customers pay for kilowatt hour. It's 00:20:59.600 --> 00:21:03.760 not based on that. That's, that's always going to be a variable, but that's a good point 00:21:03.760 --> 00:21:08.520 because that's something that we're working on right now, adding into the equation. Um, 00:21:08.520 --> 00:21:14.240 we're at 11 cents per kilowatt hour. That's about $110 per megawatt hour. So there's some 00:21:14.240 --> 00:21:18.840 logic that if you go above that $110, we're not making any more money. In fact, we're 00:21:18.840 --> 00:21:23.360 losing money. So you start lowering the voltage to start saving even more money. So our folks 00:21:23.360 --> 00:21:28.240 in our EMO are developing lack of a better term, a widget right now to make sure all 00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:31.720 the buys and sales and everything are equating. And hopefully there'll be a signal that'd 00:21:31.720 --> 00:21:37.440 be sent out to our folks in the operations center to turn the system on. Again, we've 00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:41.080 only got a small system in place right now. We're going to try to do it to a full system 00:21:41.080 --> 00:21:45.160 place. Uh, we've got it over the next three years. It looks like we're planning on spending 00:21:45.160 --> 00:21:49.560 about $62,000 over the next three years to implement these. So we're going to do about 00:21:49.560 --> 00:21:55.160 30 feeders or so a year, a hundred feeders maximum. Okay. So once you get to the hundred 00:21:55.160 --> 00:22:01.120 meters and you feel like you're going to have a pretty good, um, overview of current consumption 00:22:01.120 --> 00:22:05.880 and the rate of growth of consumption so that you can make that adjustment. Yeah. And, and 00:22:05.880 --> 00:22:09.280 the other thing that's going to be happening during this timeframe is we're, we're having 00:22:09.280 --> 00:22:13.960 RFP and you guys will see it pretty soon for a advanced distribution management system 00:22:13.960 --> 00:22:19.080 that will make the management of this system much more automated and keep a lot better 00:22:19.080 --> 00:22:23.120 detail and a record for us to understand what the actual savings is and everything else 00:22:23.120 --> 00:22:27.000 that we've got going on on the system out there. So it's a really good system. It's, 00:22:27.000 --> 00:22:31.600 I mean, people have been doing CVR for probably a couple of decades now, so it's not a new 00:22:31.600 --> 00:22:36.760 phenomenon. Uh, we're just now starting to introduce it here to DME. So first you're 00:22:36.760 --> 00:22:42.960 going to introduce it, implement it, introduce it and have an operating maybe manually and 00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:46.840 then down the road, you're intending to make it a more automated process that I understand 00:22:46.840 --> 00:22:50.920 that correctly. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. In other words, the ADMS system will watch all this 00:22:50.920 --> 00:22:55.520 stuff and hopefully have an input coming in from the EMO. And when that input comes in, 00:22:55.520 --> 00:23:00.520 it starts doing everything itself automatically to lower those, that power consumed. Very 00:23:00.520 --> 00:23:12.560 good. Thank you. If there's no further, we entertain a motion to approve this item. I'll 00:23:12.560 --> 00:23:18.920 give you a second Lee. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Thank 00:23:18.920 --> 00:23:31.760 you. Okay. So do I need to go to closed now or do I? I believe we do because I think any 00:23:31.760 --> 00:23:37.040 questions related to those items will be confidential. So we would call the closed, um, under the 00:23:37.040 --> 00:23:41.880 competitive matters. We'll just pull it up ahead of the schedule. Okay. Uh, yes. And 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:47.720 then to vote on the items, we'll have to come out of class. Okay. I will convene the closed 00:23:47.720 --> 00:23:52.480 session at nine 24. We will consider the following items deliberations regarding certain public 00:23:52.480 --> 00:24:00.280 power utilities, competitive matters under Texas government code section 551.086 consultation 00:24:00.280 --> 00:24:15.520 with attorneys under Texas government code section 551.071. Okay. We're back in open 00:24:15.520 --> 00:24:25.840 session. It is 1004 a.m. Um, first thing we need to do is vote on the consent item B that 00:24:25.840 --> 00:24:30.920 was pulled that we discussed in closed session. Anybody like to make a motion to approve motion 00:24:30.920 --> 00:24:37.800 to approve? Second. Okay. We have been and then Lee any further discussion? There doesn't 00:24:37.800 --> 00:24:47.060 appear to be any. So all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. Uh, we discussed 00:24:47.060 --> 00:24:54.760 do we need, we need to take action on item a from the closed meeting. We don't. Okay. 00:24:54.760 --> 00:25:04.680 Just discussion. Gotcha. Then we'll move into our work session. For individual consideration. 00:25:04.680 --> 00:25:10.240 Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. Sorry. Okay. That's that you, David today on items for 00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:20.240 individual other than consider approval of the minutes. June 27 2022. That's me. Move 00:25:20.240 --> 00:25:29.680 approval. Second. Please say aye. Aye. Okay. Management reports. Great. Good morning, board. 00:25:29.680 --> 00:25:33.840 We have the deck dashboard. You can see there for March 2022. I always have a number of 00:25:33.840 --> 00:25:37.600 me and me staff here to answer any questions you may have on the dashboard. You also see 00:25:37.600 --> 00:25:42.600 that future agenda items and the new business action items. So, um, are there any questions 00:25:42.600 --> 00:25:50.600 on the dashboard? Sure. Right back. I have one. It's this appears to only be for the 00:25:50.600 --> 00:25:56.960 first quarter, January through March. Correct. Yeah. Well, the second quarter of fiscal year, 00:25:56.960 --> 00:26:02.320 first quarter of the calendar year. Yes. However you want to put it, we are in July. I was 00:26:02.320 --> 00:26:08.120 surprised we didn't have second quarter or or we didn't have the next quarter's information. 00:26:08.120 --> 00:26:13.560 Right. It takes a little time for accounting to get everything finalized. So this is typical 00:26:13.560 --> 00:26:25.120 for our kind of lag timing. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Here to anything further on that item. 00:26:25.120 --> 00:26:33.520 Future agenda items. Anyone? Doesn't appear to be there either. Lucky y'all new business 00:26:33.520 --> 00:26:39.160 action items. You can see the listed there. We still have number two listed. That was 00:26:39.160 --> 00:26:44.320 obviously complete with the procurement discussion at the last meeting, I believe. Um, we talked 00:26:44.320 --> 00:26:49.000 about the one meeting versus two meetings a month and we still have one outstanding item 00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:59.680 anything further doesn't appear to be. So under concluding items, we can now go into 00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:04.080 our work session. Receive a report, hold a discussion to give staff direction on proposed 00:27:04.080 --> 00:27:11.920 water, wastewater, solid waste and electric rates for FYI 20 22 23. Good morning, Chair 00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:16.040 P even members, Nick Vinson, assistant director of finance. I'm gonna do my best to speak 00:27:16.040 --> 00:27:23.920 up as loud as possible without yelling at you. So if I start yelling, just let me know. 00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:32.240 So. Okay. So before we get started, just kick it off. We have two presentations for you 00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:37.480 today. The first presentation will summarize the rate changes for the utilities, the ones 00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:42.680 that we are proposing this year. After this presentation, we will have a financial discussion 00:27:42.680 --> 00:27:47.680 for the electric fund. Uh, we'll talk to you about electric a little bit. So for the rate 00:27:47.680 --> 00:27:52.320 presentation, just a really quick overview. Um, you can see we'll talk about the rate 00:27:52.320 --> 00:27:57.120 change history. We'll look at some water wholesale rates that we adjust annually as part of the 00:27:57.120 --> 00:28:01.040 budgeting process. And then we'll look at some proposed wastewater and solid waste rate 00:28:01.040 --> 00:28:10.880 changes. Okay, so we show this each year as part of the budgeting process. We are proud 00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:15.560 of this. It shows some rate history. So for any new PB members that may not have seen 00:28:15.560 --> 00:28:21.960 it before, I'll walk you through it. Um, so you can see from fiscal year 2016 to 2023, 00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:27.700 any rate changes for the utilities. Um, you can see rate increases here and rate decreases. 00:28:27.700 --> 00:28:32.600 You can see the last year we had rate increases for residential or commercial customers and 00:28:32.600 --> 00:28:38.240 the utilities was fiscal year 2017. Uh, since 2017, we've actually had some rate decreases 00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:45.680 in 2018 through 2021. Um, last couple of years, we have kept rates the same. I know this was 00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:48.720 something we discussed during the last couple of meetings about possible rate changes in 00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:52.560 the future, but we're not looking to make any increases to residential or commercial 00:28:52.560 --> 00:29:01.000 rates this year. So I just want to make sure I pointed that out to the PB. So water wholesale 00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:05.600 rates, um, these are only two rates we're looking to change in the water utility. Uh, 00:29:05.600 --> 00:29:10.040 like I'd said earlier, these do update annually as part of the budgeting process. Uh, so the 00:29:10.040 --> 00:29:15.760 first one being our wholesale raw water rate. Uh, this is, it's set at 85% of the Dallas 00:29:15.760 --> 00:29:20.400 wholesale rate for water. Uh, so this is currently not available, but we did want to bring it 00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:24.440 to your attention that we will update this. And this is a contractual agreement that we 00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:29.040 have that this rate does change annually. Um, the next one is there are raw water pass 00:29:29.040 --> 00:29:32.960 through rate, uh, which is currently before you move on. I apologize. Oh, I'm sorry. I 00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:40.200 didn't. Um, so are we actually selling this raw water at these rates? And if so, in general 00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:47.120 terms to whom, um, probably asked Steven to speak to who we sell the water to. Um, I know 00:29:47.120 --> 00:29:57.800 we do sell some at these rates, but let me let him speak to the customers. Thank you. 00:29:57.800 --> 00:30:02.960 Good morning. Uh, Steven gay director of water utilities. Yes, we do sell water to the opportunity 00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:08.440 water, uh, regional water district, and we use these rates for the raw water. 00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:30.720 Thank you. Yep. So do they like take from the lake directly or do we pump water to them? 00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:34.160 They have their own intake. Okay. And that would be all the raw water wholesale. Raw 00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:39.920 water would probably be somebody who buys just directly out of the lake or river. Okay. 00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:51.640 Thank you. Yes, sir. Any other questions? Okay. All right. Does anybody else have questions 00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:58.440 on water? If not, I will move forward. Okay. Um, so wastewater changes looking to make 00:30:58.440 --> 00:31:03.560 some changes to our dino dirt rates. Um, these are cost of service based adjustments. Just, 00:31:03.560 --> 00:31:08.200 um, the price of material using to produce this product has gone up. So we are looking 00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:14.560 to make some increases. The first one being for the pure cubic yard rates of bulk material 00:31:14.560 --> 00:31:20.480 would increase from 25 to 30 this coming year. And then also we sell bags material. We started 00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:23.920 this a couple of fiscal years ago. You may remember we are looking to increase those 00:31:23.920 --> 00:31:35.000 bags from four to $5. So solid waste, we have a few new rates we're looking to introduce 00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:40.400 and then increasing, uh, maybe an existing rate for unsecured load. So I'll start at 00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:44.660 the top here, walk you down the list. If you have questions, Eugene is here. He'll be happy 00:31:44.660 --> 00:31:48.880 to answer, but I definitely get us through the rates part of it. So the first one is 00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:54.680 an RFID replacement card. We are looking to implement this year. This is new. Uh, this 00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:58.160 would be issued to people that routinely visit the landfill and it would recognize their 00:31:58.160 --> 00:32:06.560 vehicle. So, um, that's what this rate is for. Um, the first one is, uh, sorry, go ahead. 00:32:06.560 --> 00:32:16.160 Um, it is, it's almost like a, I'm trying to think what that stands for. Yeah, absolutely. 00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:22.520 That's, did you hear that? Radio frequency identification. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we should 00:32:22.520 --> 00:32:27.320 have spelled that out here. Um, the, the next one is the unsecured load. So currently we 00:32:27.320 --> 00:32:32.880 do charge customers that come into the landfill facility without a cover, a $20 fee. We are 00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:37.360 looking to increase that to 25. Uh, when they do pay that fee, they would be issued a tarp 00:32:37.360 --> 00:32:42.320 and some bungee cords to secure their loads. So just wanted to point that out. Uh, we are 00:32:42.320 --> 00:32:47.860 looking to implement a second or a subsequent unsecured load fee of $30. I mean, you can't 00:32:47.860 --> 00:32:53.720 see that for you right here. And then looking to, um, implement a wait ticket rate. So for 00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:58.480 non-cited vehicles of $5. So someone wants their vehicle weighed, we would charge them 00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:05.440 a rate for that service. Um, the live load fee minimum of 15 minute charge is $75 an 00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:10.420 hour with a minimum of 15 minutes. Uh, we are looking to implement this year. If a driver 00:33:10.420 --> 00:33:15.360 has to wait for a customer to load a container, that's what this fee would be for. Then Barbara, 00:33:15.360 --> 00:33:20.600 did you have a question? No, I, you, you answered that. I was going to ask what a live load 00:33:20.600 --> 00:33:26.440 would be. And then, uh, construction and demolition rate is $65 a ton. I know Brian had talked 00:33:26.440 --> 00:33:30.600 to the solid waste comprehensive plan earlier. This does go hand in hand with this trying 00:33:30.600 --> 00:33:34.760 to divert that material. So I want to make sure we pointed that out. Um, the shingles 00:33:34.760 --> 00:33:40.240 rate is $125 a ton. We are looking to implement a shingles rate. It is a hard material to 00:33:40.240 --> 00:33:44.240 handle at the landfill. I know Eugene can talk to it more, but we are looking to get 00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:49.560 this in rate ordinance. Yeah. I have a question about that. Yeah. So is it, is it actually 00:33:49.560 --> 00:33:52.880 something you're processing there or you're hiring somebody to process or are you shipping 00:33:52.880 --> 00:34:07.040 that shingles, the shingles off? Let me ask Eugene to explain their current process. Good 00:34:07.040 --> 00:34:10.960 morning board members. My name is Eugene McKenna. I'm deputy director of solid waste recycling. 00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:15.840 I believe the question is, are we processing it there? Yeah. Are you processing it there 00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:22.440 or are you shipping it off or what? No, currently it comes in and it's landfilled. It's landfilled. 00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:28.200 Just raw like it comes in. And it's raw. And the strategy will help us identify processors 00:34:28.200 --> 00:34:34.840 for this. Um, you know, when you materials like shingles and C and D, you know, when 00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:39.800 you landfill it, you know, the byproduct is methane, right? This creates nothing. It just 00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:44.360 takes up space in the landfill. So we're talking about some diversion opportunities. 00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:48.960 So that's where we're at with that. Okay. And so these, these are any, these are always 00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:55.620 tear offs I would imagine, right? They're not, they're not rejects from the manufacturer. 00:34:55.620 --> 00:35:01.440 I've never seen that normally, you know, a roofing job and things come in like that, 00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:06.760 but I've never seen a load of more like rejects. Shingles are recycled into some other product, 00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:13.240 you know, asphalt and, and absolutely. And the plan will help us identify these companies 00:35:13.240 --> 00:35:19.360 that will possibly come here and we can find locally that'll help, you know, recycle it. 00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:22.120 So it gets another life somewhere other than just landfill. Another part of the strategy 00:35:22.120 --> 00:35:30.840 then. Okay. Absolutely. Okay. Cool. Thank you. This $75, I'm sorry, $125 a ton. Are we going 00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:36.080 to get that from site a single house? Is there a ton of shingles on one house torn off or 00:35:36.080 --> 00:35:40.760 is that just a minimum rate no matter what they bring in? Well, that's the minimum what 00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:48.440 they bring in. Okay. So it's under a ton. Okay. Yes. Thanks. Yes, sir. Since these are 00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:55.760 proposed for upcoming year, what kind of a total budget impact are we anticipating from 00:35:55.760 --> 00:36:03.480 these new fees? Well, not sure if that's a Nick question, that he's got all the money 00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:14.280 in his pocket. Yes, sir. Thank you. I don't have the exact number right now, Mr. Rybak. 00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:18.880 These are included in the proposed budget that you saw already, but I would think the total 00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:22.800 impact would be minimal, but we can get that number to you. I don't, I don't have it today 00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:32.840 though. Thank you. Appreciate it. You're welcome. Okay. We will continue on. So won't go through 00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:36.680 the calendar again with you. You've seen it again. So next PV meeting, we will be seeking 00:36:36.680 --> 00:36:42.240 your approval for each of the operating budgets for the utilities and the rates. We are scheduled 00:36:42.240 --> 00:36:51.920 to present those to city council next Tuesday. So that concludes this presentation. Nick, 00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:55.480 if I could jump in real quick, I know Nick had that slide at the beginning talking about 00:36:55.480 --> 00:36:58.080 our rates over the past five years, and we talked about it a little bit in the budget 00:36:58.080 --> 00:37:02.480 presentations last year, but I just don't want it to be lost as we have these discussions, 00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:07.200 the fact that we don't have rate increases again this year across utilities. If you just 00:37:07.200 --> 00:37:12.920 look at articles right now, MOUs out in Texas, especially on the electric side, rates are 00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:17.160 just increasing for everyone. So it's a really achievement from the staff, from everyone that 00:37:17.160 --> 00:37:25.360 we have another year of rate increases. So just want to point that out again. All right. 00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:30.680 And then Billy, that's this item. You may want to call the next item if you don't mind 00:37:30.680 --> 00:37:37.520 for the electric presentation. Oh, it is another item. Sorry. Yes, sir. Okay. Item work session 00:37:37.520 --> 00:37:42.040 item B, receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding the electric 00:37:42.040 --> 00:37:48.440 FY 22-23 preliminary budget, capital improvement program, and five-year financial forecast. 00:37:48.440 --> 00:37:53.320 Okay. So Nick Vinson again, Assistant Director of Finance, walking through the electric budget 00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:57.920 presentation. We have removed the operational slides from this presentation. If you have 00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:01.560 an operational question, of course, there's plenty of DME people would be happy to speak 00:38:01.560 --> 00:38:05.320 to it. But we'll walk us through the financials, explain some updates that we've had since 00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:14.780 the last time we talked to you, and then answer any questions that you may have. So this is 00:38:14.780 --> 00:38:19.280 really just an overview of the presentation. We will talk about the pro forma. We'll look 00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:23.060 at the pro forma together. I'll point out some changes. We'll look at that fund balance 00:38:23.060 --> 00:38:29.320 and look at some operating expenses. The capital budget, we did talk in great detail last meeting. 00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:32.660 If you remember about the capital budget, we'll just hit on it in this presentation 00:38:32.660 --> 00:38:38.700 with one slide. So if you have questions or want to see a more detailed capital budget, 00:38:38.700 --> 00:38:41.960 please refer to that book that was submitted to you last time, and we're happy to provide 00:38:41.960 --> 00:38:49.000 it again if you can't find it. So financial assumptions, we saw this at the last meeting, 00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:52.760 but just walk you through really quick. So the forecast is based on retail sales, which 00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:59.080 is megawatt hours. You can see the MWH. Revenue projections of 2 to 3 percent increase, which 00:38:59.080 --> 00:39:03.120 is consistent across the utilities, something we talked about several times over the last 00:39:03.120 --> 00:39:07.920 couple meetings. Expenses, we do have the ROI, so the return on investment going to 00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:12.000 the general fund remaining at 6 percent. I believe we discussed that last time, but I 00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:17.200 wanted to point that out just in case. The TMRS rate, which is the Texas Municipal Retirement 00:39:17.200 --> 00:39:24.520 System, that rate increasing from 17.65 to 18.15. So that's something we were notified 00:39:24.520 --> 00:39:29.160 through our last meeting that we updated on this pro forma. The capital budget, we did 00:39:29.160 --> 00:39:34.160 change one project that was previously submitted to you. We removed the DME backup center from 00:39:34.160 --> 00:39:39.880 the capital budget. So that is no longer reflected in here. And then the summer and winter outage 00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:45.320 insurance premium increase of 900,000. So that was a pretty fairly large increase. We 00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:50.600 wanted to make sure we pointed that out to you. Mr. Ryback, yes, sir? 00:39:50.600 --> 00:39:55.920 Yes, I was curious about removing the DME backup center. Is it something that's going 00:39:55.920 --> 00:40:00.880 to come up then in the future year? So let me ask Mr. Filder, probably the best 00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:11.080 one to talk about that. Yes, sir. Excuse me. Yes, sir, we did remove 00:40:11.080 --> 00:40:20.560 it. Other options came out, like maybe spreading this out to kind of an offsite deal or contracting 00:40:20.560 --> 00:40:26.000 this service out to other folks. That way we can have a little bit of geographical distance 00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:29.640 between Ditten and wherever the backup data center is. So we're going to hand it back 00:40:29.640 --> 00:40:32.080 to the budget at this time. Thank you. 00:40:32.080 --> 00:40:36.720 I would also add to that DME has worked closely with tech services on thinking through the 00:40:36.720 --> 00:40:41.160 best options, as you already mentioned. So really worked together to come up with different 00:40:41.160 --> 00:40:46.640 ways to provide the service. Provide that. Gotcha. Thank you. 00:40:46.640 --> 00:40:52.640 Okay, I will keep going. So supplemental requests, those new initiatives or new positions being 00:40:52.640 --> 00:40:57.840 requested by this utility, 1.8 million, and I'll point those out to you on the pro forma 00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:02.760 here shortly. And then you can see the positions that make up the majority of that amount, 00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:06.240 11 FTEs this coming fiscal year, and you can see them listed out here at the bottom of 00:41:06.240 --> 00:41:13.080 the slide. Okay, so the five-year forecast for the electric 00:41:13.080 --> 00:41:17.480 utility, as I mentioned last time, we do plan in a 10-year window. We are showing you five 00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:21.360 years here. Just with those purchase power expenses, the further you get out, the less 00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:24.440 accurate it becomes. So we're showing you five years here, but just want to point out 00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:28.400 that we do have a 10-year pro forma. So the adopted budget, so the current fiscal year 00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:35.600 that we are in here, you can see the revenues that we included in the budget of 245.7 million. 00:41:35.600 --> 00:41:42.080 Expenses of 240.7, so net income of 5 million or 4.9. Going into the end of your estimate, 00:41:42.080 --> 00:41:48.560 you can see revenues of 308.5 and expenses of 291 million. So one thing I did want to 00:41:48.560 --> 00:41:52.760 point out, I know there's been a lot of conversation with Terry today about the energy market today 00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:57.800 and the pricing of such. This pro forma does not reflect those prices, so we will update 00:41:57.800 --> 00:42:00.680 this and we can always bring it back to you in the future to update you for the end of 00:42:00.680 --> 00:42:04.840 your estimate. So there is a good possibility that the electric utility will need a budget 00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:09.280 amendment this fiscal year to accommodate those energy purchases, so just wanted to make 00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:17.440 sure I said that. Fiscal year 2023, you can see here what we're proposing, so 399.9 million 00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:25.760 in revenue, that makes that number right here. Expenses of 415.9, so showing the increase 00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:30.840 in energy purchases, also associated with the data center. So we talked about the data 00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:34.560 center last time being included, which has increased the revenue and expenses for this 00:42:34.560 --> 00:42:46.200 upcoming fiscal year. Yes, sir. So what's our current requirement for operating reserve? 00:42:46.200 --> 00:42:50.440 What percentage are we supposed to be keeping? Great question. So we looked at it last year 00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:55.640 and actually revised it. I'm sure you remember that the 46% is the minimum and 69% is the 00:42:55.640 --> 00:43:00.640 max that we'd like to see in there. And then it's down here, Billy, to answer your question. 00:43:00.640 --> 00:43:08.160 So what does 46% equate to? It's 126.2 and then 189 million for the top. So you can see 00:43:08.160 --> 00:43:19.680 we're currently at 120.9, is what we're forecasting. Good. That's great. And of course, Mr. Rybeck. 00:43:19.680 --> 00:43:24.720 You anticipated. Well, I kind of got the side view, I thought you were reaching for it. 00:43:24.720 --> 00:43:28.560 Well thank you for that. I'm having a little trouble trying to look at the numbers here 00:43:28.560 --> 00:43:38.640 on my iPad. So is the non-debt service the $37 million number from '21? And the debt 00:43:38.640 --> 00:43:47.320 is the $17 million or is the debt the no cost? No, the debt service is 17.2 in 2021. And 00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:52.840 then non-debt, so for those other infrastructure assets that we have, is 37. Yeah. Well, my 00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:58.480 question actually is about the debt. It appears to be fairly static over the pro forma form. 00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:03.960 Is there a time frame at which that's going to run out or will we be done paying for it 00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:12.360 in 10 years, 20 years, seven years, or does anyone know for sure? Do you know the? There 00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:18.080 was 30 year debt. I'm not so exact. Probably about 28 years left or 27. I'm at the top 00:44:18.080 --> 00:44:23.120 of my head. Thank you. Yeah. We can get that date to you. Not terribly important. I was 00:44:23.120 --> 00:44:28.040 just captured by curiosity that it seemed to be pretty static. I was like, okay, that's 00:44:28.040 --> 00:44:33.000 long term debt. So I wondered what the time frame. It actually is 20 year debt because 00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:38.240 we did revenue bonds for that. So it's about 17 years, I would guess, left on that. Okay. 00:44:38.240 --> 00:44:43.400 So that's from, that's the debt repayment for the bond. Correct. Thank you. Yeah. For 00:44:43.400 --> 00:44:55.080 the construction of that facility. Yeah. Okay. Perfect. So the T cost is still based on 30 00:44:55.080 --> 00:45:00.320 year debt no matter how we structure our own debt, right? Well, that's part of the discussion 00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:06.120 we're having right now as we go through the rate case, but it is tied to that. Okay. That's 00:45:06.120 --> 00:45:12.400 probably closed session. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. I was looking at David for that one. I was 00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:19.120 like, I don't know how you want to answer it. Okay. So the forecast here, so 0% rate increases 00:45:19.120 --> 00:45:23.400 for this year. I just wanted to mention, you know, in the future if purchase power expenses 00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:27.120 do stay the way we're seeing them currently, we may have to talk about the rate structure 00:45:27.120 --> 00:45:31.720 with the PV next year and that ECA rate. So just wanted to mention that it is reflected 00:45:31.720 --> 00:45:36.440 on the pro forma here, but just wanted to put that out there for you. So I'll move on 00:45:36.440 --> 00:45:42.200 unless you have questions. So the capital budget really high level here. Like I said, 00:45:42.200 --> 00:45:46.460 we got into the detail of it last meeting, but just wanted to recap it really quick since 00:45:46.460 --> 00:45:53.000 we removed that data center project. So 72.9 million in debt funded projects, revenue funding 00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:57.760 about 1.1, aid in construction. So from some contributions from different projects around 00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:08.240 the city for 79.7 million in 2023. And here is a summary and how it breaks out into the 00:46:08.240 --> 00:46:13.640 different categories. So we do put it into categories to help us with tracking and some 00:46:13.640 --> 00:46:18.380 of our T cost return items. So we just wanted to be sure to point it out. So you can see 00:46:18.380 --> 00:46:24.600 we do have several different things here. Distribution substations, distribution transformers, 00:46:24.600 --> 00:46:28.600 some new residential commercial budgeted and then you can see transmission down here at 00:46:28.600 --> 00:46:37.800 the second portion of the table for 28.2. And this is the table or the calendar. I won't 00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:41.120 go through it again with you, but it is here for your reference. And that is the end of 00:46:41.120 --> 00:46:52.080 the presentation. Any questions on electric? >> Do you have a question, Barbara? Your lights 00:46:52.080 --> 00:46:58.440 on. That's why I'm asking. No? Okay. Anyone? I think we got them all out. Thank you. 00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:02.800 >> Perfect. Thank you. >> That's all we have today. And for the first 00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:09.120 time I'm going to let somebody else make the motion to adjourn. Mr. Beck, we're all in. 00:47:09.120 --> 00:47:13.600 I think that's all it requires anyway.