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 >> Good afternoon and welcome to the City of Denton's planning and zoning commission

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 meeting for Wednesday, June 22, 2022.

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 This is our work session and with a quorum present, I will call us to order at 5.01 p.m.

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 Let the record show that Commissioner Smith and Commissioner Anderson are not currently

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 in our work session.

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 Work session report is our first item on the agenda and it's a receiver report.

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 The discussion gives staff direction regarding vision zero.

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 Hi, Preetam, how are you?

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 >> Good.

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 Can you hear me?

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 Good afternoon.

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 Preetam Deshbhuk, transportation planning and I am -- give me a quick second.

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 Hopefully have it up here.

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 And I'll be presenting and giving you an update about vision zero.

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 What's happening with vision zero?

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 Where are we?

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 We started this conversation a while ago late last year and get right to it.

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 Before I jump to vision zero, just want to give a little bit of background of what we're

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 doing.

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 We're not just waiting and building a plan or working on a vision zero plan, but there

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 are quite a few things that we're working towards safety within the city and part of

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 that as I've listed here is the citywide speed study is currently underway.

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 We're collecting information, collecting data along arterials, collectors, a lot of streets

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 within the city.

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 So that study will inform us of what speeds we can set on some of these roadways, how

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 we can make them safer, if there's any speed reduction or any other things that can be

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 done and will be as part of that citywide speed study.

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 The second important thing that we're doing is we're actually going out and requesting

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 funding.

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 We've been requesting funding from the state, from TechStat for the last three years.

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 Every year there is a new round of funding that goes out and it's under the highway safety

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 improvement program and we've requested funding.

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 We've received funding for two rounds, the third round still pending.

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 We haven't heard back, but within those two rounds there are several intersections that

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 we're updating as far as safety is concerned.

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 We're putting in new equipment, we're adding in turning signals, improving lane configuration,

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 so on and so forth.

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 So that's part of that highway safety improvement program.

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 So we're requesting and getting external funding.

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 The third thing we're doing is coordination.

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 As you know, people, if signals are not coordinated, you get on a larger corridor like University

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 Drive and so on and so forth.

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 You're stuck at two signal, third signal, people start getting frustrated and anxious.

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 So one of the things we're doing is making it much more smoother so that their experience

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 is not that frustrating and that really helps with driver behavior, helps with the frustration.

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 So that's another thing as far as safety is concerned, last but not least, we're trying

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 to improve the environment or the infrastructure that's being built and the fastest and easiest

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 way for us to do that is any new development that goes in uses our transportation criteria

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 manuals.

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 All our manuals are our standard details.

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 We update them annually, and based on new safety goals, I'll talk about those in a bit,

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 we are updating our manual and making sure that we add some of the safety elements that

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 are required within the city.

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 So when a new development goes in, they are implementing some of that.

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 So this is the background stuff we're working on.

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 And then let's jump into exactly what we've done about Vision Zero.

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 So the first thing, earlier this year in March, the council adopted the mobility plan.

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 And as you can see on the right side, the first goal, this was one of the many goals

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 that we have within the mobility plan, but council realized and recognized that safety

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 is really important.

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 So they actually pulled this particular goal to number one, and we made some modifications

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 to the language.

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 But we understand that safety is first, and as you can see, our first goal says, develop

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 and implement a Vision Zero plan.

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 So yes, we've adopted these goals, and we're going to start working towards implementing

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 some of these goals and objectives and strategies pretty shortly.

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 What we're doing next is we're taking a phased approach, and I'll explain why we're going

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 with a phased approach in a couple slides, but we're taking a phased approach to implementing

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 Vision Zero.

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 The first step is doing a Vision Zero assessment, that's phase one.

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 And then phase two is actually developing a Vision Zero plan.

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 And then third will be implementation and monitoring, which is an ongoing process that

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 will continue happening.

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 So as far as the phases are concerned, we're already in phase one.

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 We have started the assessment piece for Vision Zero, and we've initiated, we've engaged a

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 consulting firm, and we have also engaged stakeholders.

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 We've created a stakeholder group.

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 We have a large stakeholder group, about 30-plus members, and we also hosted a webinar recently,

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 this was back in May, and provided information about Vision Zero.

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 Now we're actually going through the second step, which is collecting survey information.

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 We're surveying all our stakeholders, getting feedback from them.

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 And I'll get into the details of what exactly steps we're doing in the assessment a little

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 bit later, but we already completed that work.

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 So what is Vision Zero?

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 I want to take a step back and have you understand.

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 So it was an idea that started back in 1997 in Sweden, and slowly and steadily it has

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 caught along.

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 A lot of the countries, as well as many cities in the U.S., have started adopting that idea.

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 The basic concept is from an ethical standpoint, there shouldn't be any, we shouldn't allow

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 any fatalities or long-term injuries within our traffic system, or due to a traffic accident.

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 So that's the main concept.

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 Now how do we get to that, how do we start implementing?

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 So if you look at this upper corner, you can see that traditionally the approach had been,

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 hey, the debts are inevitable.

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 When you're having traffic accidents, they're inevitable.

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 We have to change that thinking.

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 We have to change that perception.

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 We have to say debts are preventable, and there are various ways of getting there.

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 Originally it was all the transportation infrastructure designed for a perfect human behavior.

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 There was no leeway for, hey, humans are going to make mistakes, so we are going to integrate

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 that into our infrastructure, into our designing, even into our summer for vehicles.

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 So smart vehicles and learning vehicles, all these concepts are getting slowly involved.

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 And then so on and so forth.

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 We're trying to modify our traditional approach to a Vision Zero approach.

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 And there are several layers.

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 So how do we get there?

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 Because it's a interdisciplinary, multilevel approach to road safety, when I say multilevel,

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 you start from the driver behavior.

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 There's changes to driver behavior that are required.

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 You move on to roadways or the physical infrastructure that's out there, change the design for that.

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 You get into policies and law and all of those things.

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 We have to change those in order for that to be more effective.

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 And then, of course, I talked about vehicle improvements and performance improvements

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 within vehicles.

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 And last but not least, once an accident happens or an incident happens, how do we manage that?

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 How do we have emergency vehicles at site a little bit quicker?

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 What do we do when we get there?

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 How do we save lives quickly?

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 So it's a multilayer approach.

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 It's not just, oh, we have to fix it.

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 We have to design a roadway a certain way.

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 And that's going to help us achieve a Vision Zero.

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 No, it's a multilevel, multifaceted approach.

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 So now we're talking about Vision Zero assessment.

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 Why did we go through an assessment phase and not directly jump into Vision Zero plan?

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 What we've noticed, there's a lot of cities throughout U.S. have adopted Vision Zero.

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 They have plans and they have adopted ordinances.

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 But what we're noticing is that the data, the number of fatalities, the number of accidents

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 that are happening is not moving in the right direction.

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 It is, in fact, increasing.

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 In the last couple of years, some of the fatality numbers have increased for some of these jurisdictions

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 that have already approved Vision Zero plans.

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 So what's going wrong?

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 So we want to step back a little bit and assess that.

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 We want to say that there is something business as usual is not working.

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 We can't just walk in and say, hey, here's our plan and this is what we're doing.

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 We have to understand what's not working.

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 And that's why we took a step back.

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 We had to rethink our approach.

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 What we're doing in assessment is finding out what our strengths and weaknesses are.

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 And then we attack that.

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 And on the weakness side, we improve that and make it a part of our Vision Zero plan.

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 So that's why we're doing this assessment.

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 And here's what's all included in the assessment.

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 As I mentioned, there are several stakeholders, both internal.

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 We have multiple departments participating, as well as external.

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 There are several external stakeholders, like the two universities that we have, like county,

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 talking about medical city hospitals and Texas Presbyterian.

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 So we have staff from all these different stakeholders that are within Denton and are

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 really important, as I mentioned in the several layers, for this whole system to work, for

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 Vision Zero to work.

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 We are collaborating with them.

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 And what we're going to do is we're going to understand how does the city currently,

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 the way it's functioning, align with those Vision Zero parameters, the core elements.

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 We are going to assess our strengths, as well as weaknesses, and help build on weaknesses.

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 And then we are going to see what challenges are preventing us.

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 So all of these are really important to get started.

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 And once we have all that information, that would be a good starting point for developing

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 our plan.

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 So what's in the plan itself?

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 The Vision Zero is an action plan, which is centered around the core elements.

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 If you focus on these three top core elements, it's primarily looking at leadership and commitment.

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 What is the leadership and how is the leadership, how are they leading, what kind of engagement

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 they have, and what kind of commitment they have towards Vision Zero.

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 Then safe roads and speed, this is your infrastructure design.

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 Are you doing context-sensitive design?

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 Are you sizing your roads, appropriate speeds for your roads, and so on and so forth?

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 And then the final one, which is really important, is a data-driven approach.

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 So you have to track the data, you have to be transparent, and then you have to hold

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 it accountable.

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 So if you don't look at the changes you're implementing as part of the Vision Zero plan,

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 track it, map it, and then see if they're really effective or working, then you don't

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 know if this thing or the plan is really working.

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 So once you have a plan you're going to implement and then redo and reimplement and keep on

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 monitoring all the changes that you're doing.

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 So this is actually the Vision Zero plan, a quick example of how it would look like.

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 There are a couple of examples here.

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 To the left is the Houston plan, and to the right is the plan from Berkeley.

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 And what we're going to do is look at all these plans and see which fit really well,

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 what elements fit well for Denton.

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 If you see on the left side you have the actual goal, which is what the goal is walking, biking.

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 You see the lead department that's authorized, and then you have the supporting departments

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 that will be involved.

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 In this plan, one of the things that is missing is actually prioritization and timing.

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 So in the Berkeley plan we actually have not only have the departments, but we have a prioritization

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 within the action elements, and then a timeline which is associated.

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 So we have a whole gamut, a lot of cities have adopted this, so it would be really helpful

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 once we jump into this phase of developing a plan to pull from some of the examples that

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 we already have.

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 And then last but not least, next steps, just to give you a quick idea of what the schedule

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 will look like.

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 The assessment phase for Vision Zero will be completed fall of this year, October, November

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 timeframe.

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 Once that is completed, we'll move on to the next step, which is Vision Zero plan.

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 We anticipate about 12 months of getting a consultant on board and going through the

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 steps of actually defining and benchmarking the core elements.

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 And then once that plan is developed, then the last phase starts, which is the implementation

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 and monitoring of that particular plan.

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 And this is an ongoing process, that's why it doesn't have any timeline.

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 All of this depends on getting the budget approved for the Vision Zero plan through

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 the next budget cycle, starting in October this year.

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 And then one last thing, we had this presentation presented to council as well to just give

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 them an idea and update of Vision Zero.

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 And that concludes my presentation.

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 Any questions?

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 >> Commissioner McDade?

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 >> Thank you.

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 I have a two part question.

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 On the first one, when it comes to the speech study, on a scale of the one to five, how

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 reliable are those?

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 And then I'll go into the next question, which is why I don't think they're very reliable.

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 So they are reliable, the reason I say that.

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 It depends on the equipment that's being used.

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 So let me explain what the speech study does.

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 Speech study actually only collects currently, the first step is collecting data.

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 So a driver is driving on a roadway, many cars go on the roadway itself.

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 What it's doing is out of the 100 cars that pass that particular point, how many are going

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 what speed?

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 That's what is logged.

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 That's what will define, okay, on this segment of the roadway, majority of the people driving

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 throughout the day are 30 miles an hour or 35 miles an hour.

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 So that's what is being done as part of the speech study.

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 And the equipment they use is they actually have tubes that have air pressure that keep

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 on counting changing on the air pressure once a car passes it.

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 So they're taped a distance apart, a fixed distance, and that defines the speed while

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 they're crossing those and the timing that it hits.

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 So yes, it's fairly reliable equipment, been in the use for a while.

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 >> Okay.

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 And I guess part two is not a question, it's just a statement because in Southeast Denton,

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 we ask for speech studies.

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 One particular street is Morris Street.

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 So the first time the city did a speech study coming off of Woodrow going west on Mars,

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 they actually put the speech study 30 feet from the turn off of Woodrow.

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 Nobody's going to get up to speed at that much time.

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 They came two weeks ago, right up the street on Mars at a three-way stop in Mars and Newton,

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 they put it 30 feet behind the stop sign.

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 So every time we ask for something, they just come and throw it in the neighborhood, I don't

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 know whether it's to appease the neighbors, the neighborhood, or just to say that they

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 did it.

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 But we ask them, you're putting it in the wrong spot.

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 And every time they come down, I mean, we're talking 30 feet from a three-way stop, nobody's

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 going to get up to 30 to 35 miles an hour.

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 But that's where they put them in the one spot where they know it's not going to show

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 that nobody's even going 30 miles an hour.

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 We have asked, we're not going to beg, we're just going to ask.

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 But every time we ask, they go and they put it in the worst spot possible.

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 And then we get a report saying, we don't see any issues with that, with speeding in

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 this neighborhood.

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 So how can that be corrected?

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 We would love the traffic to come down to the neighborhood and let us tell you where

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 to put it instead of you telling us where you're going to put it, because we know where

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 you're going to put it.

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 So we would love to have an interaction with the city to let us know this is the issue

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 we're having and we would love for you to just put them where we see the biggest problem,

00:17:09.640 --> 00:17:12.320
 because we're there 24/7.

00:17:12.320 --> 00:17:13.320
 Thank you.

00:17:13.320 --> 00:17:14.320
 OK.

00:17:14.320 --> 00:17:18.280
 So let's ask this question.

00:17:18.280 --> 00:17:19.600
 Where typically are these put?

00:17:19.600 --> 00:17:21.320
 I mean, is that a normal thing?

00:17:21.320 --> 00:17:22.320
 Mid-block.

00:17:22.320 --> 00:17:23.320
 Just mid-block.

00:17:23.320 --> 00:17:24.320
 Just mid-block.

00:17:24.320 --> 00:17:34.680
 They have to be-- there are several things that they look at, no obstructions, no parking,

00:17:34.680 --> 00:17:36.280
 fees, all of that.

00:17:36.280 --> 00:17:37.280
 But they have to be mid-block.

00:17:37.280 --> 00:17:40.400
 They cannot be that close to intersections, typically.

00:17:40.400 --> 00:17:41.400
 Yeah.

00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:42.400
 OK.

00:17:42.400 --> 00:17:43.400
 Yes.

00:17:43.400 --> 00:17:47.680
 With this assessment, is this being conducted by a third party, or is the city doing it?

00:17:47.680 --> 00:17:49.160
 Or is it a collab?

00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:50.160
 It's a collaboration.

00:17:50.160 --> 00:17:52.120
 The data is being collected by a third party.

00:17:52.120 --> 00:17:53.120
 OK.

00:17:53.120 --> 00:17:54.120
 Understood.

00:17:54.120 --> 00:17:55.120
 Any other questions?

00:17:55.120 --> 00:18:02.320
 Commissioner Perutt.

00:18:02.320 --> 00:18:03.320
 Thank you, Chair.

00:18:03.320 --> 00:18:04.320
 Fingerprint.

00:18:04.320 --> 00:18:05.320
 I don't know.

00:18:05.320 --> 00:18:06.320
 It's hotter outside.

00:18:06.320 --> 00:18:07.320
 So my fingers are sweaty.

00:18:07.320 --> 00:18:08.320
 I don't know.

00:18:08.320 --> 00:18:12.440
 A couple of follow-ups on Commissioner's data point.

00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:17.600
 And then I had some other-- a different line.

00:18:17.600 --> 00:18:21.880
 When we're doing the speed studies, do we have-- like, how accurate are the records

00:18:21.880 --> 00:18:27.320
 of the specific location where the speed study was operated at?

00:18:27.320 --> 00:18:31.660
 Are they just a segment name, or do we have, like, a GIS location?

00:18:31.660 --> 00:18:32.720
 We have a location map.

00:18:32.720 --> 00:18:33.720
 OK.

00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:37.400
 Nathan did sit down and actually point it on the map.

00:18:37.400 --> 00:18:38.400
 OK.

00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:39.400
 So they should be available.

00:18:39.400 --> 00:18:40.400
 That's good.

00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:43.880
 I think, you know, if there's any questions that come up once we start seeing the data,

00:18:43.880 --> 00:18:48.080
 that can be glanced at just to make sure there's not an issue.

00:18:48.080 --> 00:18:55.640
 And then secondly on that question, in a typical speed study where, for instance, you're looking

00:18:55.640 --> 00:19:02.240
 for the 85th percentile speed, is it correct that that 85th percentile speed is supposed

00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:07.280
 to be measuring only vehicles that are in the free flow of traffic and not those that

00:19:07.280 --> 00:19:14.460
 are potentially slowed down because there's excess traffic on the road?

00:19:14.460 --> 00:19:20.600
 If you're talking about congested roadways and speed in congested roadways, yes, it's

00:19:20.600 --> 00:19:22.940
 the comfortable speed.

00:19:22.940 --> 00:19:29.040
 So if the roadways typically are congested during peak hours, then that, yes, we are

00:19:29.040 --> 00:19:35.320
 focused more on the free flow speed where there is no congestion or backup or any other

00:19:35.320 --> 00:19:39.080
 obstructions that impede traffic free flow.

00:19:39.080 --> 00:19:40.080
 OK.

00:19:40.080 --> 00:19:44.960
 So with that data, is the typical process to sort of filter it and say, oh, well, we

00:19:44.960 --> 00:19:51.080
 measured, you know, 10 speeds within, I don't know what the time frame would be, one minute,

00:19:51.080 --> 00:19:55.400
 and therefore there were X number of cars for this number of lanes that constitutes

00:19:55.400 --> 00:20:00.400
 congestion, so we'll throw away those values, or is it more of like, well, we think this

00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:05.940
 roadway is usually congested at this time, so we'll take out the values that we measured

00:20:05.940 --> 00:20:07.880
 during that hour?

00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:12.640
 Typically what we do is look at the volumes, and volume, we compare that to the capacity

00:20:12.640 --> 00:20:18.120
 of the lane, and based on that, we'll define if, during any peak hour, if we're hitting

00:20:18.120 --> 00:20:22.880
 that mark, but that assessment will happen internally, we're not going to.

00:20:22.880 --> 00:20:23.880
 Sure.

00:20:23.880 --> 00:20:26.600
 The congestion is just happening right now, so we're just collecting the data.

00:20:26.600 --> 00:20:28.440
 We've not done any assessment yet.

00:20:28.440 --> 00:20:29.440
 OK.

00:20:29.440 --> 00:20:30.440
 No, that's fine.

00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:36.400
 I just, I guess anecdotally, I'll, I see, you know, because of platooning and other things,

00:20:36.400 --> 00:20:42.840
 there's often groups of cars where one car may be going slower than all the cars would

00:20:42.840 --> 00:20:45.660
 go that are behind it.

00:20:45.660 --> 00:20:47.120
 Just something to keep in mind.

00:20:47.120 --> 00:20:48.120
 OK.

00:20:48.120 --> 00:20:55.240
 But the, you mentioned it was kind of a multinational approach that had started quite some time ago,

00:20:55.240 --> 00:20:59.600
 but then you showed two examples, I think it was, now I'm going to not remember.

00:20:59.600 --> 00:21:00.600
 Houston.

00:21:00.600 --> 00:21:01.600
 It was Houston.

00:21:01.600 --> 00:21:02.600
 OK.

00:21:02.600 --> 00:21:03.600
 Houston and Berkeley.

00:21:03.600 --> 00:21:04.600
 Houston and Berkeley.

00:21:04.600 --> 00:21:06.720
 Are we also going to take a look at some international examples?

00:21:06.720 --> 00:21:11.680
 The reason I ask is that since those may have started earlier, they may not have been affected

00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:18.160
 in the results of them as much by the COVID travel pattern changes and that sort of thing?

00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:22.640
 I mean, we can ask our consultant.

00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:28.720
 Primarily we're going to start with some of the local, some of the U.S. cities, but as

00:21:28.720 --> 00:21:36.520
 we get more and more enhanced, meaning as we start seeing some of the changes influence

00:21:36.520 --> 00:21:43.680
 and then actual fatalities going down, then we'll start implementing some of the other,

00:21:43.680 --> 00:21:47.240
 because some of the European nations are fairly far along.

00:21:47.240 --> 00:21:53.280
 I mean, they have taken out lanes, they've taken out vehicle travel within a certain

00:21:53.280 --> 00:21:58.360
 area, they've implemented transit systems, so they're far more advanced and they're at

00:21:58.360 --> 00:22:01.560
 the stage that we're not, so we have to take steps.

00:22:01.560 --> 00:22:08.720
 Yeah, completely understand that the implementations may look different, because the state of things

00:22:08.720 --> 00:22:09.880
 is at a different point.

00:22:09.880 --> 00:22:14.360
 Completely different, so our implementation plan right now is going to be consistent with

00:22:14.360 --> 00:22:19.720
 most of the cities in the U.S., but as we go further, move along, then our plan continues

00:22:19.720 --> 00:22:24.920
 to change and we'll have a similar, but yeah, we can take a look at what they have.

00:22:24.920 --> 00:22:34.680
 And then lastly, I think in general, the public excitement over this is kind of like, we want

00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:39.720
 something yesterday, and I understand that that's hard to do when you're doing a very

00:22:39.720 --> 00:22:42.440
 thorough approach.

00:22:42.440 --> 00:22:56.480
 I guess my question is, is it, is one of the reasons why it benefits us to do a more complete

00:22:56.480 --> 00:23:01.640
 data collection and be thorough thing before we really get the plan out, say a year and

00:23:01.640 --> 00:23:06.920
 a half from now, just that we have so many text dot roadways and other jurisdictions

00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:12.160
 to work with within the city, and that gives us a better position to implement the things

00:23:12.160 --> 00:23:13.640
 that we come up with?

00:23:13.640 --> 00:23:15.920
 Partially, that's a partial answer.

00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:23.200
 Yes, we have a lot of stakeholders involved, but in the same vein, what we're currently

00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:28.920
 doing, as I mentioned in the background, is we are fixing, I did have a heat map for accident

00:23:28.920 --> 00:23:29.920
 locations.

00:23:29.920 --> 00:23:34.560
 The majority of the accident locations are along text dot facilities.

00:23:34.560 --> 00:23:41.560
 So what we're doing with the Highway Safety Improvement Program is we're targeting specifically

00:23:41.560 --> 00:23:47.840
 all of those intersections that are an issue and making sure that we fix those so that

00:23:47.840 --> 00:23:52.240
 moving forward, we don't have other accidents that happen at that location.

00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:57.760
 So yes, we're systematically addressing some of the deficiencies.

00:23:57.760 --> 00:24:01.160
 We just haven't named it a Vision Zero plan, but that could be one of the first things

00:24:01.160 --> 00:24:05.720
 that we show up in the Vision Zero implementation plan, is fix all these intersections that

00:24:05.720 --> 00:24:09.160
 are along text dot, and we are already starting to do that.

00:24:09.160 --> 00:24:13.600
 Sure, and I think we have had a program in the past that was like the small transportation

00:24:13.600 --> 00:24:18.520
 projects or something that has done some of that before.

00:24:18.520 --> 00:24:22.920
 I guess I'll say, as part of the component of developing that plan with the consultant

00:24:22.920 --> 00:24:28.120
 next year, I noticed that there would be an opportunity for trying to get some public

00:24:28.120 --> 00:24:30.640
 engagement and commitment with that.

00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:36.200
 I might offer that even though we won't have completely finished the planning and finished

00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:43.680
 the data collection for knowing exactly what metrics we want to track yet, I wonder if

00:24:43.680 --> 00:24:49.240
 setting up some pilot projects in places where we don't have to agree with text dot and that

00:24:49.240 --> 00:24:55.200
 sort of thing just to give the public an example physically of, hey, these are the types of

00:24:55.200 --> 00:25:01.600
 things we're thinking of including, here's why, what do you think of it, in order to

00:25:01.600 --> 00:25:05.240
 test some of those things out and be ahead of the ball a little bit.

00:25:05.240 --> 00:25:12.880
 I don't know if that is feasible, but getting people something physical in the city instead

00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:17.760
 of a page in a report is sometimes more effective.

00:25:17.760 --> 00:25:22.920
 That's a good idea, but I think if you look at the layers that are in there, physical

00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:28.320
 aspect is really like one piece to like seven other pieces.

00:25:28.320 --> 00:25:35.200
 So driver behavior, maybe reaching out, maybe education of the drivers, education of people

00:25:35.200 --> 00:25:41.280
 all, that's one piece, policy is another piece, law enforcement, enforcing is another piece.

00:25:41.280 --> 00:25:45.840
 So yeah, I think at the end of the day it comes together, but if you don't have anything

00:25:45.840 --> 00:25:50.440
 physical, people don't actually see anything, and I agree, but that's a good point, we'll

00:25:50.440 --> 00:25:52.680
 look into the pilot program.

00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:53.680
 Really looking forward to it.

00:25:53.680 --> 00:25:54.680
 Thank you.

00:25:54.680 --> 00:25:55.680
 Thank you.

00:25:55.680 --> 00:25:56.680
 Any other questions?

00:25:56.680 --> 00:25:57.680
 No.

00:25:57.680 --> 00:25:58.680
 Awesome.

00:25:58.680 --> 00:25:59.680
 Thank you.

00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:05.600
 Thank you for this, great overview, look forward to as we progress in it.

00:26:05.600 --> 00:26:06.600
 We're excited too.

00:26:06.600 --> 00:26:07.600
 Appreciate it.

00:26:07.600 --> 00:26:08.600
 Thanks.

00:26:08.600 --> 00:26:09.600
 Thank you.

00:26:09.600 --> 00:26:15.040
 Okay, moving along in our agenda, citizen comments on consent agenda items is our next

00:26:15.040 --> 00:26:25.240
 item, and I don't believe I have anyone here to speak, so we will move on to our next agenda

00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:32.280
 item, which is clarification on tonight's agenda, starting with our minutes for June

00:26:32.280 --> 00:26:34.480
 8th.

00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:38.000
 Any questions, comments, revisions needed?

00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:41.760
 Okay, how about consent agenda items?

00:26:41.760 --> 00:26:46.680
 There's, I believe, got two items on the consent agenda.

00:26:46.680 --> 00:26:47.680
 Commissioner McDade?

00:26:47.680 --> 00:26:50.440
 I just have a question for Julie.

00:26:50.440 --> 00:26:51.440
 Okay.

00:26:51.440 --> 00:27:00.560
 At the, I'm looking at the Lang Sycamore, at the last meeting, I asked you if you had

00:27:00.560 --> 00:27:06.220
 any idea what they were planning to build, and I guess you didn't have an answer, so

00:27:06.220 --> 00:27:08.520
 have you done, have they?

00:27:08.520 --> 00:27:09.520
 It's multifamily.

00:27:09.520 --> 00:27:16.280
 I mean, we're talking duplexes, the reason I'm asking is this, it's going to be, that

00:27:16.280 --> 00:27:21.000
 this touches home, because depending on how they build, this is looking into my backyard

00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:26.240
 down, so now I'm having the Lillian Miller effect that, so I was, we were just curious

00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:32.760
 on what duplexes, fourplexes, or three or four story apartments, that's all I was trying

00:27:32.760 --> 00:27:33.760
 to find out.

00:27:33.760 --> 00:27:34.760
 Sure.

00:27:34.760 --> 00:27:39.360
 It is multifamily, so that traditional kind of garden style multifamily on this property,

00:27:39.360 --> 00:27:46.140
 they are proposing three story buildings, that southern property line, show right there,

00:27:46.140 --> 00:27:50.920
 they are proposing that most of the buildings are going to be toward the north of the, of

00:27:50.920 --> 00:27:51.920
 the property.

00:27:51.920 --> 00:27:52.920
 Is that Sycamore?

00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:53.920
 I'm sorry.

00:27:53.920 --> 00:27:54.920
 I'm sorry.

00:27:54.920 --> 00:27:55.920
 No, that's okay.

00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:58.880
 Closer to Sycamore, there is parking along the southern edge, and they, they are required

00:27:58.880 --> 00:27:59.880
 to put in a buffer.

00:27:59.880 --> 00:28:03.360
 I will be happy to provide you with a site plan if you'd like, so we can talk to them.

00:28:03.360 --> 00:28:06.280
 Yeah, yeah, because I'm, I'm actually on, on the prairie, on the prairie end.

00:28:06.280 --> 00:28:10.440
 Oh, you're, okay, so you're on the south side of it, yes sir.

00:28:10.440 --> 00:28:17.480
 So there is, they are proposing parking along this southern edge, along with the, the required

00:28:17.480 --> 00:28:24.920
 buffer, and then they are also proposing open space here, I believe a dog park in this area

00:28:24.920 --> 00:28:25.920
 right here.

00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:26.920
 Okay.

00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:27.920
 All righty, thank you.

00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:30.920
 You bet.

00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:31.920
 Commissioner Pruitt.

00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:32.920
 Thank you.

00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:37.960
 Just again on this one, I just want to make sure I'm understanding correctly.

00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:42.440
 So on the north side of the Platte, there's a pedestrian access evenment that's eight

00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:48.800
 feet wide, and it's normally a collector roadway, I think, so it would normally have that eight

00:28:48.800 --> 00:28:50.440
 foot wide sidewalk.

00:28:50.440 --> 00:28:56.160
 So is that sort of the, the plan to be able to have that connectivity on the south side

00:28:56.160 --> 00:29:00.920
 of this road, even though the, the north properties don't, have not yielded that right of way

00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:04.200
 because they haven't redeveloped since that requirement, and that became a collector,

00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:05.200
 is that correct?

00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:06.200
 That is correct.

00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:09.240
 So yes, they'll have to, they'll have to construct that sidewalk along that southern

00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:10.240
 property.

00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:11.240
 Okay.

00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:12.600
 On the south side of the road, yes sir.

00:29:12.600 --> 00:29:13.600
 Okay.

00:29:13.600 --> 00:29:14.600
 Thank you.

00:29:14.600 --> 00:29:15.600
 You bet.

00:29:15.600 --> 00:29:16.600
 Anything else on consent?

00:29:16.600 --> 00:29:17.600
 Okay.

00:29:17.600 --> 00:29:18.600
 Thanks Julie.

00:29:18.600 --> 00:29:19.600
 Appreciate it.

00:29:19.600 --> 00:29:24.120
 That'll move us into our items for individual consideration.

00:29:24.120 --> 00:29:27.760
 Are there any questions on 4A?

00:29:27.760 --> 00:29:41.760
 Anybody need to see that on the screen in work session?

00:29:41.760 --> 00:29:42.760
 Nope.

00:29:42.760 --> 00:29:43.760
 Actually, who is doing that?

00:29:43.760 --> 00:29:44.760
 Is it Mia?

00:29:44.760 --> 00:29:45.760
 Is she here?

00:29:45.760 --> 00:29:46.760
 You're doing it?

00:29:46.760 --> 00:29:48.800
 Give us an overview.

00:29:48.800 --> 00:29:50.280
 This is a very unique one.

00:29:50.280 --> 00:29:59.960
 That's why I would like a little overview.

00:29:59.960 --> 00:30:00.960
 Let me pull up the presentation.

00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:01.960
 Thanks.

00:30:01.960 --> 00:30:04.120
 I'm not going to go through every detail.

00:30:04.120 --> 00:30:05.120
 Just explain.

00:30:05.120 --> 00:30:08.680
 Yeah, we can see the whole presentation and yeah, but just kind of, yeah, the high, high

00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:09.680
 level would be great.

00:30:09.680 --> 00:30:15.560
 So the request here is for a variance for driveway spacing, and I'm going to directly

00:30:15.560 --> 00:30:18.400
 jump into the driveway spacing.

00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:24.080
 So as you can see, this is along Sandbass, let me go back a little bit.

00:30:24.080 --> 00:30:26.000
 So this is Sandbass Boulevard.

00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:31.000
 That's Londonderry, Teasley and I-35 interchange is somewhere up here.

00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:34.820
 And that's the corner we're looking at along Sandbass.

00:30:34.820 --> 00:30:40.520
 And if you get there, there are apartments on the west side.

00:30:40.520 --> 00:30:42.520
 They currently have a driveway here.

00:30:42.520 --> 00:30:46.920
 And then there are apartment entrance and a driveway on the south side here.

00:30:46.920 --> 00:30:50.680
 So what we're requesting is a variance of driveway spacing.

00:30:50.680 --> 00:30:56.840
 Typically, when we have driveways across, we want them to line up or be 75 feet away

00:30:56.840 --> 00:30:58.680
 from each other.

00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:02.240
 And then typically when we have driveways on the same side of the street, we require

00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:04.720
 them to be at least 100 feet apart.

00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:12.040
 So this site has, as you can see, a lot of trees here as part of their tree preservation

00:31:12.040 --> 00:31:13.040
 plan.

00:31:13.040 --> 00:31:16.720
 They had to preserve tree on this north side.

00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:22.760
 The building, the way it's laid out as a result, had to be pushed further south.

00:31:22.760 --> 00:31:29.840
 And that's why this driveway is slightly not aligned with the driveway opposite to it or

00:31:29.840 --> 00:31:32.080
 even not 100 feet.

00:31:32.080 --> 00:31:34.260
 So that's why we're requesting a variance.

00:31:34.260 --> 00:31:39.120
 We've looked at traffic analysis, we've looked at the peak volume and numbers.

00:31:39.120 --> 00:31:46.200
 Typically, the concern is drivers going across the road and not being able to make that direct

00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:47.200
 connection.

00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:52.600
 But since both of them are apartments, very unlikely that anyone will cross apartments

00:31:52.600 --> 00:31:53.880
 and go across.

00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:58.200
 And then the turning volume is also low during peak hours, so there's very little conflict

00:31:58.200 --> 00:32:00.600
 here from the safety standpoint.

00:32:00.600 --> 00:32:03.800
 So those are the two things that we're looking at.

00:32:03.800 --> 00:32:14.920
 Given all the volumes, numbers, and this roadway, we recommend approval for this slight variance.

00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:20.160
 One of my concerns on this road is there's so much parking on the road and there are

00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:28.560
 times that, I mean, you can't get two cars passing each other when cars are home at these

00:32:28.560 --> 00:32:29.840
 apartment complexes.

00:32:29.840 --> 00:32:33.880
 So then we're going to add another one.

00:32:33.880 --> 00:32:38.200
 Is that taken into consideration as you looked at this, especially with what vision is going

00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:42.600
 to be, especially with what we just talked about?

00:32:42.600 --> 00:32:48.320
 Also, obviously, San Bas isn't going to be looked at like the next of never, probably,

00:32:48.320 --> 00:32:50.000
 but what is the future plan for that?

00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:57.320
 So I'm glad you asked, because as part of this plan, we've asked them to create an indented

00:32:57.320 --> 00:32:58.440
 parking area.

00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:04.920
 So all on-street parking north along the fringe of this property will be tucked inside and

00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:10.320
 then the curves are pulled outside so that we have enough space.

00:33:10.320 --> 00:33:15.440
 So we ask them to measure, we provide enough adequate space for on-street parking on the

00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:16.760
 opposite side.

00:33:16.760 --> 00:33:21.640
 There's adequate space on-street parking on this side, and there is a 20-foot open area

00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:26.360
 that cars can drive in either direction comfortably.

00:33:26.360 --> 00:33:31.600
 And that's what we've done as part of this design, is ask them to provide indented parking

00:33:31.600 --> 00:33:32.920
 and shift the curve.

00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:38.040
 So they're actually physically shifting the curve that currently exists on their frontage

00:33:38.040 --> 00:33:42.480
 closer to their building and then creating extra space for the parking to address the

00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:44.920
 same concerns that you just pointed out.

00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:49.040
 And are they going to have on-street parking as well?

00:33:49.040 --> 00:33:54.240
 They're not required, but typically, when you have apartments, you end up using the

00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:56.240
 on-street parking spaces anyways.

00:33:56.240 --> 00:34:00.120
 So that's why we made sure that the safety factor was addressed in this area.

00:34:00.120 --> 00:34:04.520
 Yeah, that is excellent to know, because it's tough right now.

00:34:04.520 --> 00:34:06.840
 I totally understand.

00:34:06.840 --> 00:34:11.520
 Questions for Pete, I'm on this.

00:34:11.520 --> 00:34:12.520
 Okay.

00:34:12.520 --> 00:34:13.520
 Okay.

00:34:13.520 --> 00:34:14.520
 Thank you.

00:34:14.520 --> 00:34:17.520
 We'll see you in the meeting.

00:34:17.520 --> 00:34:18.520
 Okay.

00:34:18.520 --> 00:34:28.760
 Next one is for B, FP220018, that I believe has an extension request on it.

00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:33.840
 Yeah, please, thanks.

00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:34.840
 Mainly just so we have dates.

00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:36.760
 I know there's an extension request on it.

00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:37.760
 So, yeah.

00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:38.760
 Yes.

00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:39.760
 Good evening, everyone.

00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:41.800
 Angie Mangler, Senior Planner.

00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:42.800
 This is FP220018.

00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:51.100
 I think I may have pulled up the wrong presentation.

00:34:51.100 --> 00:34:52.100
 Here it is.

00:34:52.100 --> 00:34:58.280
 It is a requested final plot for one lot, approximately 22 acres.

00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:03.280
 At this moment, staff is recommending denial, as it does not meet all of our approval criteria.

00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:07.680
 However, they did submit an extension request, and we have no exception to granting that

00:35:07.680 --> 00:35:08.680
 until July 13th.

00:35:08.680 --> 00:35:09.680
 Okay.

00:35:09.680 --> 00:35:10.680
 Excellent.

00:35:10.680 --> 00:35:11.680
 That's what I wanted to know.

00:35:11.680 --> 00:35:12.680
 Okay.

00:35:12.680 --> 00:35:13.680
 Any questions for Angie?

00:35:13.680 --> 00:35:14.680
 Okay.

00:35:14.680 --> 00:35:16.360
 Thank you very much.

00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:17.360
 Okay.

00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:21.560
 Next will be 4C, PP220003.

00:35:21.560 --> 00:35:25.360
 This came in email very late and has changed to approval.

00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:30.480
 I don't know if everyone has had a chance to view that, but we probably will, possibly

00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:31.480
 right now.

00:35:31.480 --> 00:35:32.480
 Hi.

00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:33.480
 Good evening.

00:35:33.480 --> 00:35:38.640
 Ashley Hickok, Assistant Planner.

00:35:38.640 --> 00:35:47.380
 This is PP220003B, and this is a preliminary plot for Cyrene at Hickory, and it's 51 residential

00:35:47.380 --> 00:35:50.400
 lots at 2499 and Hickory Creek Road.

00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:53.900
 They were able to work through all of their outstanding comments today, so staff is currently

00:35:53.900 --> 00:35:55.360
 recommending approval.

00:35:55.360 --> 00:35:56.360
 Excellent.

00:35:56.360 --> 00:35:57.360
 Any questions?

00:35:57.360 --> 00:36:03.640
 I know you worked hard on this one to get all those cleared, so thank you very much.

00:36:03.640 --> 00:36:07.680
 That's good for the applicant.

00:36:07.680 --> 00:36:08.680
 Commissioner Perrett.

00:36:08.680 --> 00:36:09.680
 Thank you.

00:36:09.680 --> 00:36:10.680
 Thank you.

00:36:10.680 --> 00:36:14.640
 So you have the overview map there on the left.

00:36:14.640 --> 00:36:21.760
 Just north of this property is the couple of subdivisions kind of between Hickory Creek

00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:29.900
 and Ryan Road, and there's an existing trail that runs through that 100-year floodplain

00:36:29.900 --> 00:36:35.080
 area that you kind of see snaking north and then northwest and then north again, almost

00:36:35.080 --> 00:36:36.640
 all the way up to Ryan Road.

00:36:36.640 --> 00:36:40.720
 So I guess my question is, and I was looking up for the chapter and verse and couldn't

00:36:40.720 --> 00:36:46.260
 find it, so you'll have to forgive me, but we do have a requirement for connecting to

00:36:46.260 --> 00:36:51.160
 existing trails that are near the border of a subject property.

00:36:51.160 --> 00:36:58.360
 And so my question is, is that already planned in this plat, and there's nothing necessary

00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:02.720
 to show within this floodplain, or is that something that would have to be shown in the

00:37:02.720 --> 00:37:05.880
 plat to do, and if so, why are we not requiring it?

00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:09.980
 The applicant actually has a meeting with Parks tomorrow morning at 9 o'clock to go

00:37:09.980 --> 00:37:13.480
 over the details of the trail dedication throughout the ESD.

00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:14.480
 Okay.

00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:16.520
 So that's in work, even though we don't see it on this plat.

00:37:16.520 --> 00:37:17.520
 Yes.

00:37:17.520 --> 00:37:18.520
 Okay.

00:37:18.520 --> 00:37:19.520
 Thank you.

00:37:19.520 --> 00:37:21.520
 Anybody else?

00:37:21.520 --> 00:37:24.720
 Thank you very much.

00:37:24.720 --> 00:37:25.720
 Okay.

00:37:25.720 --> 00:37:34.600
 That will take us to 4DPP220011 by Julie.

00:37:34.600 --> 00:37:35.600
 Good evening.

00:37:35.600 --> 00:37:37.580
 Julie Wyatt, Senior Planner.

00:37:37.580 --> 00:37:42.560
 So before we talk about these plots, I just want to take one moment because since we've

00:37:42.560 --> 00:37:48.120
 had the shot clock legislation within the state of Texas, we don't often see preliminary

00:37:48.120 --> 00:37:50.360
 and final plots on the same agenda.

00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:54.000
 It was something that happened from time to time prior to the shot clock legislation,

00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:56.800
 but it's not something we typically see.

00:37:56.800 --> 00:38:00.720
 But we do have a preliminary and final plot for the same project on your agenda tonight.

00:38:00.720 --> 00:38:05.840
 So I just wanted to talk about that also, let you know that it is permitted in the Denton

00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:06.840
 Development Code.

00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:09.160
 It's just not something we often see.

00:38:09.160 --> 00:38:17.360
 That said, this one is the preliminary plat, PP220011A.

00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:19.720
 You might remember this from a previous meeting.

00:38:19.720 --> 00:38:22.000
 They did receive an extension.

00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:27.320
 They have addressed all comments, and staff is recommending approval, except we are recommending

00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:31.760
 approval with conditions tonight because there are still some outstanding issues.

00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:34.840
 One in particular, the specific use permit.

00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:40.120
 So there is a specific use permit required for a multifamily use on this property.

00:38:40.120 --> 00:38:45.840
 It is going to go before you tonight during the public hearing, and then it will go before

00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:50.120
 city council if it has a recommendation tonight, if it moves forward tonight, it will go to

00:38:50.120 --> 00:38:52.240
 city council next Tuesday.

00:38:52.240 --> 00:38:59.720
 So staff is recommending a condition that approval is conditioned upon that approval

00:38:59.720 --> 00:39:07.240
 of that SUP, and that if that SUP is not approved, then the preliminary plat would expire immediately.

00:39:07.240 --> 00:39:10.600
 I'll be happy to answer any questions.

00:39:10.600 --> 00:39:15.680
 And I think, do you want to just piggyback E on this because it's effectively the same?

00:39:15.680 --> 00:39:16.680
 >> Sure.

00:39:16.680 --> 00:39:17.680
 Absolutely.

00:39:17.680 --> 00:39:18.680
 >> And then we'll get to questions.

00:39:18.680 --> 00:39:19.680
 >> Sure.

00:39:19.680 --> 00:39:20.680
 This is the final plat.

00:39:20.680 --> 00:39:27.360
 So the preliminary plat is on the agenda prior to the final plat, but this one is also they

00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:33.060
 have addressed all comments, and staff is recommending approval with conditions, one,

00:39:33.060 --> 00:39:39.640
 that the civil engineering plans have to be approved without condition, and any changes

00:39:39.640 --> 00:39:44.040
 to that final plat, it would have to be reflected on that final plat based upon that approval

00:39:44.040 --> 00:39:46.200
 of the civil engineering plans.

00:39:46.200 --> 00:39:50.840
 That multifamily use would have to be approved through the specific use permit.

00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:55.800
 And then once again, if that SUP is not approved by council, then that plat would expire.

00:39:55.800 --> 00:39:58.320
 And I'll be happy to answer any questions.

00:39:58.320 --> 00:39:59.320
 >> Thanks, Julie.

00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:00.320
 Commissioner McDade.

00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:02.160
 >> Yeah, I just have a question.

00:40:02.160 --> 00:40:05.960
 I've heard the phrase shot clock, but I don't exactly know what it is.

00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:09.560
 I wanted you to kind of amplify on exactly what that means.

00:40:09.560 --> 00:40:10.560
 >> Okay.

00:40:10.560 --> 00:40:11.560
 Well, I'm going to do my best.

00:40:11.560 --> 00:40:14.640
 If I leave anything out, Tina or Hillary will jump in.

00:40:14.640 --> 00:40:15.640
 >> All right, thank you.

00:40:15.640 --> 00:40:21.120
 >> So a couple of years ago, the state legislature passed a bill where plat, an action needed

00:40:21.120 --> 00:40:28.240
 to be, let me rephrase, the plat needed to be acted upon within 30 days of submittal.

00:40:28.240 --> 00:40:34.880
 So an applicant submits that plat, the P&Z either has to approve it or deny it within

00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:35.880
 30 days.

00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:42.080
 Now, they do have the option, applicants have the option to request a one-time 30-day extension

00:40:42.080 --> 00:40:44.520
 that would give them another 30 days.

00:40:44.520 --> 00:40:49.800
 But at the end of that 30 days, the Planning and Zoning Commission has to either approve

00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:53.320
 or deny or approve with conditions that plat.

00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:56.840
 There's no extending it beyond that 60 days.

00:40:56.840 --> 00:41:02.880
 So does that answer your question or, okay, how did I do?

00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:06.160
 Commissioner Villarreal.

00:41:06.160 --> 00:41:12.400
 >> Quick question, is there a reason why we're removing the date with conditions instead

00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:14.480
 of having to do with the plat application?

00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:15.480
 >> That is a great question.

00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:19.680
 The applicant is here, will be here tonight to talk, especially regarding the specific

00:41:19.680 --> 00:41:20.900
 use permit.

00:41:20.900 --> 00:41:25.080
 They do have, this is an affordable project.

00:41:25.080 --> 00:41:30.920
 So they have prescribed deadlines that they have to meet in order to meet the deadlines

00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:32.880
 for that affordable project.

00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:35.100
 And so they're running up against some deadlines.

00:41:35.100 --> 00:41:41.040
 And so staff talked with them and we worked through what we could approve or we could

00:41:41.040 --> 00:41:43.760
 recommend that approval with the conditions.

00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:46.920
 >> Thank you.

00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:48.200
 >> Sure.

00:41:48.200 --> 00:41:49.200
 >> Commissioner Pruitt.

00:41:49.200 --> 00:41:50.200
 >> Thank you, Chair.

00:41:50.200 --> 00:41:55.360
 So completely understand it's the way we have to do things.

00:41:55.360 --> 00:42:04.940
 But just out of curiosity, because we don't often see this type of situation, would the

00:42:04.940 --> 00:42:13.560
 development code give us grounds for denying for this type of a situation and we've found

00:42:13.560 --> 00:42:21.560
 a way to allow the project to move forward contingent on that, right?

00:42:21.560 --> 00:42:26.800
 Or is the judgment by staff or the recommendation by staff that denying it for the reason that

00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:33.160
 there was not an SUP granted yet is not allowed under the shot clock legislation?

00:42:33.160 --> 00:42:37.120
 >> I'm going to let Tina jump in on that one if you don't mind.

00:42:37.120 --> 00:42:40.680
 >> So all great questions.

00:42:40.680 --> 00:42:48.640
 So prior to the shot clock legislation, as Julie pointed out, it was not uncommon to

00:42:48.640 --> 00:42:54.960
 have development applications being considered simultaneously.

00:42:54.960 --> 00:43:02.080
 Keep in mind the 30-day rule applied prior to 2019, but cities took a broader interpretation

00:43:02.080 --> 00:43:05.120
 as to when did the clock start, right?

00:43:05.120 --> 00:43:07.880
 So the state legislature tried to rein us all in.

00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:12.700
 Not saying that we were offenders in Denton by any means, but that's -- I mean, the primary

00:43:12.700 --> 00:43:18.700
 impetus behind it is how to be able to help facilitate the development project faster.

00:43:18.700 --> 00:43:26.780
 Preliminary plats are typically very preliminary in nature, and they are the initial layout

00:43:26.780 --> 00:43:34.460
 illustrating how the applicant is anticipating the easements to encumber the property.

00:43:34.460 --> 00:43:41.000
 And it's basically communicating to us, here's how we anticipate this all laying out.

00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:46.280
 And we do our best at that review simultaneously with following a zoning compliance plan review

00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:51.040
 if that's come into play, look to see if these easements also correspond with that.

00:43:51.040 --> 00:43:56.800
 It also works in tandem with the civil engineering plans, right?

00:43:56.800 --> 00:44:01.280
 But we anticipate that there will probably be changes to the preliminary plat, especially

00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:02.880
 when it comes to final plat.

00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:06.720
 The final plat usually occurs later in our development review cycle.

00:44:06.720 --> 00:44:11.220
 Depending upon the municipality and how the review processes are set up, you might see

00:44:11.220 --> 00:44:15.360
 the final plat before construction, or you might see the final plat near the tail end

00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:16.360
 of construction.

00:44:16.360 --> 00:44:21.600
 But the final plat then is laying out and identifying these are the locations where the easements

00:44:21.600 --> 00:44:24.320
 are going to be occurring.

00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:27.780
 Sometimes issues happen out in the field where the water line actually got installed 10 feet

00:44:27.780 --> 00:44:30.640
 to the west, so we've got to shift the easement 10 feet to the west.

00:44:30.640 --> 00:44:33.200
 So sometimes we have to make those allowances.

00:44:33.200 --> 00:44:39.440
 But in this case, the challenge with this particular project is because of some of the

00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:41.620
 deadlines associated with the financing.

00:44:41.620 --> 00:44:46.560
 And so it is difficult to get the federal government to modify their processes.

00:44:46.560 --> 00:44:51.680
 So therefore, it's incumbent upon cities to be able to help facilitate development applications

00:44:51.680 --> 00:44:57.600
 to be able to achieve goals, and one of our goals is the affordable housing aspect.

00:44:57.600 --> 00:45:03.080
 So ideally, the specific use permit would track through, be approved, they get through

00:45:03.080 --> 00:45:07.520
 all their entitlements, given the reconsideration request, not to mention some of the deadlines

00:45:07.520 --> 00:45:11.440
 that they've been working through, hence why these applications are starting to stack up

00:45:11.440 --> 00:45:12.900
 on top of each other.

00:45:12.900 --> 00:45:18.600
 Because plats are very ministerial in nature from a review standpoint, we either have to

00:45:18.600 --> 00:45:19.600
 approve them or deny them.

00:45:19.600 --> 00:45:21.120
 They either comply or they don't.

00:45:21.120 --> 00:45:23.200
 They have less subjectivity associated with it.

00:45:23.200 --> 00:45:27.480
 So that's why we're comfortable moving forward with these applications the way they are.

00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:29.440
 I think I might have missed one of your questions.

00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:34.480
 I think his question was basically, why are we not denying?

00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:39.120
 But I think the way we have the conditions set up is, I mean, it would be denied because

00:45:39.120 --> 00:45:42.200
 it's going to expire if the SUP is not approved.

00:45:42.200 --> 00:45:45.360
 So is that going down the line that you needed answered?

00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:46.360
 Yes.

00:45:46.360 --> 00:45:47.360
 Okay, perfect.

00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:50.640
 Yeah, the challenge on plats, as I mentioned, because they're ministerial, they either comply

00:45:50.640 --> 00:45:52.400
 or they don't.

00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:58.320
 And given that we've got this pending zoning out there, we're trying to help facilitate

00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:02.020
 that if the Planning and Zoning Commission makes a recommendation to council and ultimately

00:46:02.020 --> 00:46:06.180
 council approves that specific use permit, then these plats are very ministerial in nature

00:46:06.180 --> 00:46:08.520
 and will be able to be approved.

00:46:08.520 --> 00:46:09.520
 Right.

00:46:09.520 --> 00:46:13.680
 And if we just take it a little simpler, the plat meets all the criteria.

00:46:13.680 --> 00:46:14.680
 Correct.

00:46:14.680 --> 00:46:15.680
 The preliminary plat, the final plat.

00:46:15.680 --> 00:46:21.080
 So I mean, if we just take those out of context, I mean, that's where we are.

00:46:21.080 --> 00:46:24.200
 And we've added the condition on the final plat with respect to the civil engineering

00:46:24.200 --> 00:46:29.160
 plans, just because in the event something comes up as the part of the final review,

00:46:29.160 --> 00:46:33.000
 or if it comes up out in the field and they have to modify the civil engineering plan,

00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:37.560
 that we're basically putting the applicant on notice that we are approving this, but

00:46:37.560 --> 00:46:41.760
 it's also subject to you finalizing your civil engineering plan review, and in that way if

00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:48.640
 something changes on the civil engineering plans, we can be able to accommodate that.

00:46:48.640 --> 00:46:50.960
 Any other questions on this one?

00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:56.880
 Julie, you might as well stay up because we're moving to 5A, which is related.

00:46:56.880 --> 00:47:00.200
 5A is S220002.

00:47:00.200 --> 00:47:04.000
 All right.

00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:05.160
 Julie Wyatt, senior planner.

00:47:05.160 --> 00:47:08.920
 I won't go over all the slides we went over on the first time you saw this.

00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:15.520
 We'll just hit some highlights, but this is S22-002 pathway on Woodrow.

00:47:15.520 --> 00:47:20.080
 The request before you is for a specific use permit for multifamily dwellings.

00:47:20.080 --> 00:47:25.640
 The property is located just east of Woodrow, and it has a zoning designation of suburban

00:47:25.640 --> 00:47:31.240
 corridor district, which requires approval of an SUP for multifamily dwellings.

00:47:31.240 --> 00:47:35.260
 There is a riparian buffer along the eastern edge of the property.

00:47:35.260 --> 00:47:40.360
 They are not proposing to impact that riparian buffer.

00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:46.880
 Just a quick hit on the site plan, they are proposing 285 units in six three-story buildings.

00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:50.840
 They are also proposing open space and recreation amenities.

00:47:50.840 --> 00:47:54.920
 They've got parking for vehicles, as well as bikes on site.

00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:56.700
 Two connections to Dutchess.

00:47:56.700 --> 00:48:02.080
 They are proposing to construct all of Dutchess from Woodrow to their east property line,

00:48:02.080 --> 00:48:07.800
 so that would be the north and southern portion of that road.

00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:14.440
 As part of that, they're proposing construction of a 10-foot shared use path along Dutchess.

00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:22.360
 And then our engineering talked about that 10-foot shared use path along Woodrow, and

00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:27.080
 with the civil engineering plans have actually added that to the project as well.

00:48:27.080 --> 00:48:31.560
 The buildings are also sited to define that street, particularly that corner at Dutchess

00:48:31.560 --> 00:48:34.600
 and Woodrow.

00:48:34.600 --> 00:48:41.040
 The proposal is consistent with the future land use map with the Denton 2040 comprehensive

00:48:41.040 --> 00:48:44.360
 plan, as well as some other elements to that comprehensive plan.

00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:48.300
 So first, the future land use map, moderate residential.

00:48:48.300 --> 00:48:55.200
 That indicates about four to 12 dwelling units per acre, as well as transition areas between

00:48:55.200 --> 00:48:58.880
 single-family neighborhoods and mixed-use or commercial areas.

00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:03.320
 This is a little more dense than that typical four to 12 dwelling units per acre, but because

00:49:03.320 --> 00:49:09.820
 of the transitional area of this property, along an arterial near a note of employment,

00:49:09.820 --> 00:49:14.320
 it is appropriate in this location, particularly because we do anticipate that as you move

00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:19.640
 toward the east, densities would be lower.

00:49:19.640 --> 00:49:24.600
 Our comp plan also talks about that Denton's going to grow before 2040.

00:49:24.600 --> 00:49:29.920
 We're going to add quite a few residents, and we will need housing to accommodate those

00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:30.920
 residents.

00:49:30.920 --> 00:49:36.300
 And so this would accommodate that housing, and it would also facilitate a compact development

00:49:36.300 --> 00:49:41.280
 pattern because Woodrow's an existing roadway with existing water and sewer facilities in

00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:42.280
 the area.

00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:43.280
 So it's consistent with that.

00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:47.940
 It's consistent with the preferred land preservation plan, because it's not impacting the ESA.

00:49:47.940 --> 00:49:50.480
 And it's also consistent with our housing goals.

00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:55.520
 It's meeting the needs of our residents with a diverse array of housing, not only in type,

00:49:55.520 --> 00:49:58.300
 but in cost and in location.

00:49:58.300 --> 00:50:01.720
 And then it also provides that affordable housing choice.

00:50:01.720 --> 00:50:03.920
 And then compatibility with the surrounding area.

00:50:03.920 --> 00:50:08.760
 We always, within SUP, we look at the surrounding area, not just what's adjacent to the property,

00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:11.120
 but the context in which it sits.

00:50:11.120 --> 00:50:15.460
 This specific site is adjacent to Woodrow, which is a secondary arterial.

00:50:15.460 --> 00:50:17.620
 It's near a node of activity.

00:50:17.620 --> 00:50:23.040
 We've got a lot of county offices just to the west of the subject property, and that

00:50:23.040 --> 00:50:30.100
 blue star, as well as a commercial corner there at the intersection of Woodrow and McKinney.

00:50:30.100 --> 00:50:32.400
 So there's a lot of activity in the area.

00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:35.880
 A multifamily is an important part of mixed use areas.

00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:44.280
 It provides that housing for employees and customers for commercial uses.

00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:47.280
 Their proposed design is consistent with the surrounding area.

00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:53.600
 We do have other multifamily projects in the area, typically that garden style apartment.

00:50:53.600 --> 00:50:58.880
 And this is consistent with that, both in design and in the activities on site.

00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:01.060
 And then the surrounding zoning is SC.

00:51:01.060 --> 00:51:11.920
 So we anticipate that development's going to be consistent with this intensity and density.

00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:17.120
 Public outreach was sent out for the first meeting, as well as for this meeting.

00:51:17.120 --> 00:51:20.560
 We've received three notices in favor.

00:51:20.560 --> 00:51:22.720
 One was sent to y'all this afternoon, I believe.

00:51:22.720 --> 00:51:27.080
 It didn't make it in the packet, and those are shown in green.

00:51:27.080 --> 00:51:28.640
 And staff is recommending approval.

00:51:28.640 --> 00:51:30.200
 I won't read all of this to you.

00:51:30.200 --> 00:51:34.360
 It's in your backup material, but we are recommending approval with conditions that they would follow

00:51:34.360 --> 00:51:36.400
 that site plan that they're proposing.

00:51:36.400 --> 00:51:37.800
 And I'll be happy to answer any questions.

00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:40.680
 The applicant is here to answer questions tonight as well.

00:51:40.680 --> 00:51:41.680
 Thanks, Julie.

00:51:41.680 --> 00:51:42.680
 Commissioner Villarreal.

00:51:42.680 --> 00:51:45.940
 First off, thank you.

00:51:45.940 --> 00:51:49.580
 At the last Southeast Denton Neighborhood Association meeting, there was a good number

00:51:49.580 --> 00:51:54.520
 of contention and concern regarding this SUP and associated project.

00:51:54.520 --> 00:51:59.160
 I fully understand they did not fall within the 500-foot boundary to receive notices, but

00:51:59.160 --> 00:52:01.640
 their neighborhood will be greatly affected by this project.

00:52:01.640 --> 00:52:07.440
 Did the city have a liaison in attendance to hear in or address those concerns by chance?

00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:16.680
 I am not aware of a city liaison attending that meeting regarding this project.

00:52:16.680 --> 00:52:21.640
 I'm not aware of it either, unless we were invited there for some other reason, but I'm

00:52:21.640 --> 00:52:22.640
 not a...

00:52:22.640 --> 00:52:24.840
 Yeah, I don't recall us being invited to attend the meeting.

00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:25.840
 Gotcha.

00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:26.840
 Just curious.

00:52:26.840 --> 00:52:29.680
 Did you know that the applicant made an effort to talk with the Southeast Denton community

00:52:29.680 --> 00:52:31.380
 about their concerns?

00:52:31.380 --> 00:52:35.760
 I am not certain about their public outreach in terms of the Sedna community, but they

00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:39.960
 will be here tonight so they can answer any questions regarding additional public outreach.

00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:45.480
 Right, and there would be no legal objection to them doing further outreach past the 500-foot

00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:47.560
 courtesy boundary, correct?

00:52:47.560 --> 00:52:49.080
 We have a...

00:52:49.080 --> 00:52:50.080
 We don't prohibit it.

00:52:50.080 --> 00:52:54.480
 We have suggestions for how they do neighborhood outreach within the code.

00:52:54.480 --> 00:52:55.480
 We don't prohibit it.

00:52:55.480 --> 00:52:59.360
 It's kind of up to the applicant how they want to approach that.

00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:00.360
 Perfect.

00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:03.280
 Thank you.

00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:06.280
 Any other questions for Julie?

00:53:06.280 --> 00:53:08.400
 Okay.

00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:09.400
 Thank you very much.

00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:11.120
 See you in the meeting for that one.

00:53:11.120 --> 00:53:13.480
 Okay, 5B is Z220008.

00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:18.460
 Well, actually, Julie, that's you too.

00:53:18.460 --> 00:53:20.880
 It is on here as a postponement.

00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:28.640
 So is that something we are taking action to do or are we taking no action, I guess?

00:53:28.640 --> 00:53:32.720
 Maybe that's a Hillary question.

00:53:32.720 --> 00:53:39.280
 This is for the zoning case on Hercules, I believe, and we are re-noticing that.

00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:40.800
 So we will take no action on that.

00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:41.800
 Okay.

00:53:41.800 --> 00:53:42.800
 Correct.

00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:43.800
 Very good.

00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:44.800
 Thank you.

00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:45.800
 Thank you.

00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:46.800
 Okay, 5C DCA 220002.

00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:51.520
 I do not see Ron here, so it's going to be Haley.

00:53:51.520 --> 00:53:52.800
 Hi, Haley.

00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:54.440
 Good evening.

00:53:54.440 --> 00:54:00.560
 Yes, I will be helping us get through this one in Ron's absence this evening.

00:54:00.560 --> 00:54:03.720
 So Haley Zegerski, Assistant Planning Director.

00:54:03.720 --> 00:54:08.000
 I will run through the very brief presentation here at the work session, but we do have the

00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:12.320
 red line of subchapter two available if we need to pull that up and go through any sections

00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:15.320
 in full detail.

00:54:15.320 --> 00:54:18.120
 So just a little bit of background, since it's been a while since you all have seen

00:54:18.120 --> 00:54:20.400
 a code amendment.

00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:26.000
 So after our comprehensive update of the DDC in 2019, we did anticipate from the start

00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:31.080
 that we would have some amendments following that to address any nonconformities that were

00:54:31.080 --> 00:54:35.560
 created, new challenges created by state law changes, and things of that nature.

00:54:35.560 --> 00:54:40.800
 So we have been going through the Development Code Review Committee with a series of changes

00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:46.240
 since that there was a brief pause during kind of COVID when everything was shut down

00:54:46.240 --> 00:54:51.320
 and we did lose a little bit of traction there on those, but we've since got our DCRC back

00:54:51.320 --> 00:54:53.380
 up and running and they are meeting every other week.

00:54:53.380 --> 00:54:58.080
 So this is the first in a series of code amendments that will be coming before you all over the

00:54:58.080 --> 00:55:00.680
 next year.

00:55:00.680 --> 00:55:06.920
 So specific to subchapter two, this is a kind of comprehensive look at our procedures chapter

00:55:06.920 --> 00:55:11.880
 and the code, so subchapter two lays out the city's boards and commissions, as well as

00:55:11.880 --> 00:55:17.520
 all of our various application types that come through the staff review process, P&Z

00:55:17.520 --> 00:55:18.520
 and council.

00:55:18.520 --> 00:55:23.000
 So this is kind of a comprehensive update to that to address a series of changes.

00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:28.020
 So in the red line that was provided in your backup, you'd find there is a table that's

00:55:28.020 --> 00:55:32.480
 table 2.2A that outlines a summary of all of our processes.

00:55:32.480 --> 00:55:36.060
 So there's a variety of changes being made to that.

00:55:36.060 --> 00:55:40.220
 Some of that includes adding new application types that we've had in the city, but they

00:55:40.220 --> 00:55:41.320
 got left out of the table.

00:55:41.320 --> 00:55:43.280
 They might be referenced other places in the code.

00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:46.620
 So we're making sure that that is comprehensive.

00:55:46.620 --> 00:55:52.000
 We are changing pre-application conferences from being a requirement for most of our applications

00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:53.640
 to being a recommendation.

00:55:53.640 --> 00:55:55.960
 Not every project needs to come through a pre-application.

00:55:55.960 --> 00:56:00.440
 We do highly encourage it, but that would be a vesting action if we were to require

00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:01.440
 that.

00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:05.720
 So we want to remove that as a requirement and make it a recommendation.

00:56:05.720 --> 00:56:10.480
 We are updating a host of operational procedures related to the P&Z, the Zoning Board of Adjustment

00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:12.600
 and our other boards.

00:56:12.600 --> 00:56:16.480
 That section of the code was much more comprehensive in our 2002 DDC.

00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:19.440
 Many of those changes were left out with the thought that they might be folded into the

00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:24.420
 code of ordinances at some point, but in light of that not occurring and needing to get those

00:56:24.420 --> 00:56:31.520
 procedures back into a codified state, we're adding them back into the development code.

00:56:31.520 --> 00:56:34.360
 Some of the other changes are simply to make sure we're consistent with our checklist

00:56:34.360 --> 00:56:38.800
 and our fee schedules that we've adopted, and then we are updating our subdivision procedures

00:56:38.800 --> 00:56:43.740
 to make sure that those are compliant with all of the recent changes in state law.

00:56:43.740 --> 00:56:48.680
 We are adding some subdivision or some application types back to the code and introducing some

00:56:48.680 --> 00:56:49.680
 new ones as well.

00:56:49.680 --> 00:56:54.280
 So subdivision variances, you all have seen in the past, we do have one on the agenda

00:56:54.280 --> 00:56:57.720
 this evening that's actually authorized through our criteria manual, but that used to be a

00:56:57.720 --> 00:57:01.280
 section of the DDC, and we've identified a need to bring that back.

00:57:01.280 --> 00:57:04.560
 So that's one of those examples.

00:57:04.560 --> 00:57:08.820
 There are, as I mentioned, other things that are being updated, replant and annexations.

00:57:08.820 --> 00:57:12.840
 There have been some changes in state law that we're codifying, as well as aligning

00:57:12.840 --> 00:57:17.720
 our Zoning Board of Adjustments' appeal procedures with state law, and then making a variety

00:57:17.720 --> 00:57:19.440
 of other minor amendments to the code.

00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:24.400
 So I won't go in any more detail here, but I do have that red line document available

00:57:24.400 --> 00:57:28.400
 if we need to go through any sections that you all might have questions over.

00:57:28.400 --> 00:57:29.400
 Thanks, Haley.

00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:30.400
 Questions?

00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:31.680
 Commissioner Pruitt?

00:57:31.680 --> 00:57:34.800
 Just a small thing, I hope.

00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:40.700
 I noticed just in trying to absorb the table that some of the entries say public hearing

00:57:40.700 --> 00:57:48.400
 required for the R, D, or A, and the R refers to review/recommendation, and some of those

00:57:48.400 --> 00:57:54.460
 are, well, yeah, I'll stop there.

00:57:54.460 --> 00:57:58.760
 Can you help me understand what the difference between a review/recommendation that requires

00:57:58.760 --> 00:58:05.800
 a public hearing versus a recommended item with a diamond?

00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:06.800
 Let's see.

00:58:06.800 --> 00:58:12.600
 Let me try to get this pulled up so we can all look at the same thing.

00:58:12.600 --> 00:58:16.760
 And maybe I'm just confused because I don't understand two similar words, sorry.

00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:22.700
 So in light of the table, it would have to be a mile long to contain all of the details.

00:58:22.700 --> 00:58:27.280
 The review/recommendation simply means that that body is not making a final action on

00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:28.280
 that.

00:58:28.280 --> 00:58:33.040
 It's not the comments of an SUP, the development assistance team, and the director would review

00:58:33.040 --> 00:58:35.900
 that application and make a recommendation to the P&Z.

00:58:35.900 --> 00:58:39.040
 The P&Z then makes a recommendation to city council after review.

00:58:39.040 --> 00:58:42.200
 So it's simply trying to acknowledge that that's not the final decision.

00:58:42.200 --> 00:58:47.360
 I think it's finally clicking for me in that the public hearing required refers to the

00:58:47.360 --> 00:58:50.360
 brackets around the letter, not the actual letter.

00:58:50.360 --> 00:58:56.320
 And I was reading the brackets as meaning what makes that required is what's inside

00:58:56.320 --> 00:58:58.520
 of it as opposed to what bounds it.

00:58:58.520 --> 00:59:03.160
 The letter of the bracket and the triangle, for lack of a better word, I'm not sure what

00:59:03.160 --> 00:59:04.160
 that one is.

00:59:04.160 --> 00:59:05.600
 But yeah, they all have separate meanings to find at the top.

00:59:05.600 --> 00:59:06.600
 All right.

00:59:06.600 --> 00:59:07.600
 Thank you.

00:59:07.600 --> 00:59:09.080
 Other questions?

00:59:09.080 --> 00:59:19.560
 Haley, in the draft that's written here where section two references exhibit A, is that

00:59:19.560 --> 00:59:23.960
 going to -- I mean, it's blank on the draft.

00:59:23.960 --> 00:59:27.160
 I assume is it going to be -- Oh, in the draft ordinance?

00:59:27.160 --> 00:59:28.160
 Correct.

00:59:28.160 --> 00:59:29.160
 Correct.

00:59:29.160 --> 00:59:30.160
 That would be the entire red line document.

00:59:30.160 --> 00:59:31.160
 Okay.

00:59:31.160 --> 00:59:33.600
 That's what I wanted to make sure that I understood what exhibit A is going to be.

00:59:33.600 --> 00:59:34.600
 Okay.

00:59:34.600 --> 00:59:35.600
 Perfect.

00:59:35.600 --> 00:59:36.600
 Anything else?

00:59:36.600 --> 00:59:37.600
 Okay.

00:59:37.600 --> 00:59:38.600
 Thank you.

00:59:38.600 --> 00:59:39.600
 All right.

00:59:39.600 --> 00:59:40.600
 We'll see you in the meeting.

00:59:40.600 --> 00:59:41.600
 Thank you.

00:59:41.600 --> 00:59:42.600
 I think that is the -- it is the end of our agenda.

00:59:42.600 --> 00:59:45.520
 So I will close our work session at 6 p.m.

00:59:45.520 --> 00:59:48.280
 We will see in council chambers at 630.

00:59:48.280 --> 00:59:53.880
 Thank you.

00:59:53.880 --> 00:59:57.080
 Good evening and welcome to the city of Denton's planning and zoning commission meeting for

00:59:57.080 --> 01:00:00.840
 Wednesday, June 22, 2022.

01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:05.400
 With the quorum present, I will call us to order at 631 p.m.

01:00:05.400 --> 01:00:09.600
 Let the record show that Commissioner Smith is absent tonight.

01:00:09.600 --> 01:00:13.480
 First item on our agenda is the Pledge of Allegiance to the U.S. and Texas Flags.

01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:21.280
 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for

01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:29.920
 which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

01:00:29.920 --> 01:00:41.720
 On Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to the Texas one state, under God, one nation.

01:00:41.720 --> 01:00:42.720
 Thank you.

01:00:42.720 --> 01:00:51.560
 Next item on our agenda is the Consider Approval of Planning and Zoning Minutes for June 8th.

01:00:51.560 --> 01:00:58.400
 Chair can entertain discussion or a motion.

01:00:58.400 --> 01:01:01.120
 We're not seeing the button to make a motion.

01:01:01.120 --> 01:01:03.800
 Our board does not seem to be working to do that.

01:01:03.800 --> 01:01:04.800
 All right.

01:01:04.800 --> 01:01:10.120
 Why don't we -- let's -- there we go.

01:01:10.120 --> 01:01:11.120
 Commissioner Anderson.

01:01:11.120 --> 01:01:13.880
 Make a motion to approve the minutes.

01:01:13.880 --> 01:01:14.880
 Commissioner Villarreal.

01:01:14.880 --> 01:01:15.880
 Second.

01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:16.880
 All right.

01:01:16.880 --> 01:01:18.680
 We've got a first and a second for approval of the June 8th minutes.

01:01:18.680 --> 01:01:19.680
 Any discussion?

01:01:19.680 --> 01:01:20.680
 Okay.

01:01:20.680 --> 01:01:26.380
 Let's vote on the board, please.

01:01:26.380 --> 01:01:28.160
 That motion carries 6-0.

01:01:28.160 --> 01:01:33.960
 That takes us to item 3, Consent Agenda for this evening.

01:01:33.960 --> 01:01:43.920
 Is there a motion or discussion on the floor for Consent Agenda?

01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:44.920
 Commissioner Pruitt.

01:01:44.920 --> 01:01:47.760
 I'll move to approve the Consent Agenda.

01:01:47.760 --> 01:01:48.760
 Commissioner Villarreal.

01:01:48.760 --> 01:01:49.760
 Second.

01:01:49.760 --> 01:01:53.920
 We've got a first and a second to approve the Consent Agenda this evening.

01:01:53.920 --> 01:01:54.920
 Any discussion?

01:01:54.920 --> 01:01:55.920
 Okay.

01:01:55.920 --> 01:02:00.720
 Seeing none, let's vote on the board, please.

01:02:00.720 --> 01:02:05.880
 Okay.

01:02:05.880 --> 01:02:07.600
 That motion carries 6-0.

01:02:07.600 --> 01:02:11.720
 It takes us to item 4, Items for Individual Consideration.

01:02:11.720 --> 01:02:16.840
 4A is V-2-2-0-0-0-3.

01:02:16.840 --> 01:02:18.000
 And I know Mia's not here.

01:02:18.000 --> 01:02:20.280
 Who's presenting that item this evening?

01:02:20.280 --> 01:02:25.320
 Pretend -- there you are.

01:02:25.320 --> 01:02:31.040
 Hello there.

01:02:31.040 --> 01:02:32.040
 Good evening.

01:02:32.040 --> 01:02:34.720
 Give me one quick second.

01:02:34.720 --> 01:02:35.720
 Hi.

01:02:35.720 --> 01:02:42.320
 Good evening, Chair, members of the commission, Preet Hanidashmuk, Transportation Planning,

01:02:42.320 --> 01:02:46.580
 and I have a brief presentation on the item this evening.

01:02:46.580 --> 01:02:52.560
 This is related to London Dairy Multifamily, and start with a summary of the request.

01:02:52.560 --> 01:02:58.660
 We are requesting a variance for constructing a driveway approach that does not meet our

01:02:58.660 --> 01:03:01.000
 transportation criteria manual.

01:03:01.000 --> 01:03:07.440
 And there are a couple actual criteria is that it does not meet the minimum distance

01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:13.120
 of driveways between driveways that are on opposite side of the street has to be 75 feet.

01:03:13.120 --> 01:03:17.960
 And the other criteria it doesn't meet is driveways on the same side of the street have

01:03:17.960 --> 01:03:21.360
 to be 100 feet.

01:03:21.360 --> 01:03:23.760
 A quick overview of the site.

01:03:23.760 --> 01:03:30.320
 If you can follow the cursor, this is Sambas Boulevard, and it bends and becomes east-west

01:03:30.320 --> 01:03:33.000
 London Dairy, which finally connects to Teasley.

01:03:33.000 --> 01:03:35.200
 That's where the site is located.

01:03:35.200 --> 01:03:40.880
 It is on the northeast bend of London Dairy and Sambas Boulevard.

01:03:40.880 --> 01:03:47.640
 As you can notice, there is significant tree canopy in this north side, and we are requesting

01:03:47.640 --> 01:03:56.080
 a variance of a driveway that will be approximately located within this red circle area that will

01:03:56.080 --> 01:04:01.640
 not follow our current design standards.

01:04:01.640 --> 01:04:05.680
 It's approximately 80 feet from a driveway that's on the same side of the street and

01:04:05.680 --> 01:04:10.000
 30 feet from a driveway that's on the opposite side of the street.

01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:11.800
 Here are the details.

01:04:11.800 --> 01:04:17.280
 You can actually see that the driveway on the opposite side is approximately 30, a little

01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:24.840
 over 30 feet from the driveway that is proposed for this particular project, and it is a little

01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:29.920
 over 80 feet from an existing driveway that stands about here.

01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:33.320
 So considerations and recommendations.

01:04:33.320 --> 01:04:39.880
 This variance, particular variance, is considered hardship variances, and there are several...

01:04:39.880 --> 01:04:43.400
 We have to evaluate it based on several items.

01:04:43.400 --> 01:04:45.360
 We've looked at all of them.

01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:51.400
 The applicant has submitted a TIA and expects minimal traffic, so there is very minimal

01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:53.040
 impact to safety.

01:04:53.040 --> 01:04:56.720
 That's one of the main items that we'll have looked at.

01:04:56.720 --> 01:05:01.720
 The actual lot is an L-shaped lot, and there is significant coverage, so one of the things

01:05:01.720 --> 01:05:08.000
 we are trying to do is achieve our city's minimum tree preservation requirements, and

01:05:08.000 --> 01:05:12.320
 that's why the proposed building is slightly shifted, which has impacted the location of

01:05:12.320 --> 01:05:14.320
 the driveway.

01:05:14.320 --> 01:05:21.120
 And then the third one is to allow for it to meet the city's landscaping and tree preservation

01:05:21.120 --> 01:05:27.560
 criteria, and then also having a two-point access for this particular site.

01:05:27.560 --> 01:05:37.680
 So based on all of the evaluations that we've had, staff at this time recommends approval

01:05:37.680 --> 01:05:41.400
 of this variance request.

01:05:41.400 --> 01:05:45.840
 Okay.

01:05:45.840 --> 01:05:48.840
 Any questions for Preetam?

01:05:48.840 --> 01:05:51.120
 Okay.

01:05:51.120 --> 01:05:52.120
 I do not see any.

01:05:52.120 --> 01:05:53.120
 Thank you very much.

01:05:53.120 --> 01:05:54.120
 Thank you.

01:05:54.120 --> 01:05:55.120
 Commissioner Villareal.

01:05:55.120 --> 01:05:58.600
 I move approval of the variance request.

01:05:58.600 --> 01:05:59.600
 Commissioner Pruitt.

01:05:59.600 --> 01:06:00.600
 I'll second.

01:06:00.600 --> 01:06:04.600
 I'm really glad that we have this requirement, but I'm also glad in this case that we have

01:06:04.600 --> 01:06:07.000
 a variance procedure.

01:06:07.000 --> 01:06:11.440
 This road, while there are parking issues, as were pointed out in the work sessions,

01:06:11.440 --> 01:06:15.760
 we have a plan to address that, and it's not a road that's going to see a lot of traffic

01:06:15.760 --> 01:06:20.920
 or it's not two driveways of public streets that are going to cut off or make it difficult

01:06:20.920 --> 01:06:23.960
 for children to cross the road, so I'm comfortable with it.

01:06:23.960 --> 01:06:24.960
 Thanks.

01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:28.080
 We've got a first and a second for approval of the request.

01:06:28.080 --> 01:06:29.080
 Any further discussion?

01:06:29.080 --> 01:06:30.080
 Okay.

01:06:30.080 --> 01:06:41.360
 Let's go ahead and vote on the board, please.

01:06:41.360 --> 01:06:43.200
 That motion carries 6-0.

01:06:43.200 --> 01:06:46.600
 That will take us to 4B, FP 220018.

01:06:46.600 --> 01:06:48.640
 Hi, Angie.

01:06:48.640 --> 01:06:54.520
 Hi, good evening, all.

01:06:54.520 --> 01:07:03.560
 Angie Mingler, senior planner.

01:07:03.560 --> 01:07:14.600
 This is a final request for FP 220018 for a single lot of 22 acres to the west side

01:07:14.600 --> 01:07:17.780
 of Mayhill Road at the southern terminus of North Star.

01:07:17.780 --> 01:07:22.080
 At this time, staff is recommending denial as it does not meet all of our approval criteria.

01:07:22.080 --> 01:07:26.360
 However, staff has no objection to the requested extension, which could be granted to a date

01:07:26.360 --> 01:07:27.800
 of July 13th.

01:07:27.800 --> 01:07:28.800
 Okay.

01:07:28.800 --> 01:07:29.800
 Go ahead.

01:07:29.800 --> 01:07:30.800
 Thank you.

01:07:30.800 --> 01:07:31.800
 Any questions?

01:07:31.800 --> 01:07:32.800
 Okay.

01:07:32.800 --> 01:07:35.640
 Thank you so much.

01:07:35.640 --> 01:07:36.640
 Commissioner Anderson.

01:07:36.640 --> 01:07:40.200
 Make a motion to approve the extension to date certain of July 13th.

01:07:40.200 --> 01:07:41.200
 Okay.

01:07:41.200 --> 01:07:42.200
 Commissioner Villarreal.

01:07:42.200 --> 01:07:43.200
 Second.

01:07:43.200 --> 01:07:44.200
 Okay.

01:07:44.200 --> 01:07:46.680
 We've got a first and a second for approval of the extension request to a date certain

01:07:46.680 --> 01:07:48.240
 of July 13th.

01:07:48.240 --> 01:07:49.240
 Any discussion?

01:07:49.240 --> 01:07:50.240
 Okay.

01:07:50.240 --> 01:07:51.240
 Seeing none.

01:07:51.240 --> 01:07:59.600
 Let's vote on the board, please.

01:07:59.600 --> 01:08:01.320
 That motion carries 6-0.

01:08:01.320 --> 01:08:06.640
 That will take us to 4C, PP 22003.

01:08:06.640 --> 01:08:11.560
 Hello, Ashley.

01:08:11.560 --> 01:08:14.800
 Good evening.

01:08:14.800 --> 01:08:17.520
 Ashley Hickok, assistant planner, City of Denton.

01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:23.120
 This is a preliminary plat for 51 residential lots at the intersection of 2499 and Hickory

01:08:23.120 --> 01:08:24.600
 Creek Road.

01:08:24.600 --> 01:08:28.840
 Staff recommends approval of this plat as it does meet all of the criteria for approval.

01:08:28.840 --> 01:08:30.120
 Happy to answer any questions.

01:08:30.120 --> 01:08:31.120
 Great.

01:08:31.120 --> 01:08:32.120
 Thanks.

01:08:32.120 --> 01:08:33.120
 Questions?

01:08:33.120 --> 01:08:34.120
 Okay.

01:08:34.120 --> 01:08:36.720
 I see none.

01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:37.720
 Thank you.

01:08:37.720 --> 01:08:38.720
 Commissioner Villarreal.

01:08:38.720 --> 01:08:39.720
 Move to approve.

01:08:39.720 --> 01:08:40.720
 Okay.

01:08:40.720 --> 01:08:42.920
 We've got a first for approval.

01:08:42.920 --> 01:08:43.920
 Commissioner Pruitt.

01:08:43.920 --> 01:08:44.920
 A second.

01:08:44.920 --> 01:08:45.920
 Okay.

01:08:45.920 --> 01:08:47.920
 We've got a second for approval.

01:08:47.920 --> 01:08:48.920
 Any discussion?

01:08:48.920 --> 01:08:49.920
 Okay.

01:08:49.920 --> 01:08:58.160
 Let's vote on the board, please.

01:08:58.160 --> 01:09:00.040
 That motion carries 6-0.

01:09:00.040 --> 01:09:06.840
 That will take us to 4D, PP 220011, one by Julie Wyatt.

01:09:06.840 --> 01:09:09.320
 Hi, Julie.

01:09:09.320 --> 01:09:10.320
 Good evening.

01:09:10.320 --> 01:09:13.040
 Julie Wyatt, senior planner with the City of Denton.

01:09:13.040 --> 01:09:18.360
 I know we talked about this in work session, but I just wanted to remind you that we are

01:09:18.360 --> 01:09:22.940
 considering a preliminary plat and a final plat on tonight's agenda with the preliminary

01:09:22.940 --> 01:09:26.960
 plat being considered first for the Woodrow multifamily.

01:09:26.960 --> 01:09:32.520
 This was something that we did quite regularly prior to the Shot Clock legislation, but after

01:09:32.520 --> 01:09:35.840
 that legislation was enacted, we don't see it as often.

01:09:35.840 --> 01:09:38.760
 We take the projects in a more linear fashion.

01:09:38.760 --> 01:09:42.120
 That said, I want to talk about these individual projects.

01:09:42.120 --> 01:09:45.560
 The first one is PP 220011A.

01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:50.200
 This is a preliminary plat for the Woodrow multifamily project.

01:09:50.200 --> 01:09:55.720
 The subject property is located on the east side of Woodrow, south of McKinney.

01:09:55.720 --> 01:09:58.800
 The plat meets all of the city's criteria for approval.

01:09:58.800 --> 01:10:04.440
 However, we are recommending a conditional approval because it is being considered in

01:10:04.440 --> 01:10:07.240
 conjunction with a specific use permit.

01:10:07.240 --> 01:10:11.800
 The subject property zoning is suburban corridor, which requires a specific use permit for their

01:10:11.800 --> 01:10:14.560
 proposed use of multifamily.

01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:18.040
 You're going to be considering that specific use permit tonight, and then it's going on

01:10:18.040 --> 01:10:23.640
 to city council next week if it moves forward tonight.

01:10:23.640 --> 01:10:30.240
 We are recommending that condition related to the SUP, and that if the SUP is not approved

01:10:30.240 --> 01:10:31.760
 then the plat would expire.

01:10:31.760 --> 01:10:35.680
 I'll be happy to answer any questions.

01:10:35.680 --> 01:10:40.600
 Is there questions for Julie from the commission?

01:10:40.600 --> 01:10:46.200
 I do have some cards with this item number on them, but I'm wondering if you want to

01:10:46.200 --> 01:10:50.720
 speak on the public hearing item with regard to the SUP.

01:10:50.720 --> 01:10:56.800
 This item is the preliminary plat, which is kind of a ministerial thing for us.

01:10:56.800 --> 01:11:03.280
 If it meets all the criteria as far as how it's presented, then we must take action on

01:11:03.280 --> 01:11:04.280
 it.

01:11:04.280 --> 01:11:12.360
 You are welcome to speak on that, but if what you want to speak about is the SUP, I would

01:11:12.360 --> 01:11:15.280
 suggest we wait to the public hearing.

01:11:15.280 --> 01:11:18.680
 With that, I will call out ... I do have William Clark.

01:11:18.680 --> 01:11:24.160
 William, did you want to speak here, or did you want to wait for the public hearing?

01:11:24.160 --> 01:11:30.240
 I'll be honest, I'm not too familiar with all the proceedings and terms.

01:11:30.240 --> 01:11:32.240
 Can you come down to the podium and we can talk?

01:11:32.240 --> 01:11:52.320
 My name is William Clark and I live at 1109 Curley Street here in Denton.

01:11:52.320 --> 01:11:56.960
 I did want to speak on this issue, but I'm not real familiar with all the terminology

01:11:56.960 --> 01:12:02.680
 and the terms, and what that means is the public hearing and whatever, but I can tell

01:12:02.680 --> 01:12:04.040
 you now that I am here to speak in opposition.

01:12:04.040 --> 01:12:07.840
 Of the plat or of the specific use permit for the multi-family?

01:12:07.840 --> 01:12:13.720
 The plat, the specific use, I mean, there's a lot of history and that's why I need time

01:12:13.720 --> 01:12:20.440
 to ... I don't know, I guess depending on you to tell me when the best time is.

01:12:20.440 --> 01:12:24.660
 Go ahead, Tina.

01:12:24.660 --> 01:12:25.660
 Let me see if I can help.

01:12:25.660 --> 01:12:26.660
 Yeah.

01:12:26.660 --> 01:12:33.400
 So tonight on the agenda we have a preliminary plat and a final plat, and then we also have

01:12:33.400 --> 01:12:38.880
 the specific use permit request associated with the multi-family request for the commission's

01:12:38.880 --> 01:12:41.960
 consideration.

01:12:41.960 --> 01:12:47.120
 The preliminary plat and the final plat, the commission has very little discretion, if

01:12:47.120 --> 01:12:48.860
 you will, on their action.

01:12:48.860 --> 01:12:55.160
 They can either approve it or deny it or approve it with conditions.

01:12:55.160 --> 01:13:02.160
 Because of the ministerial nature of the preliminary plat, the commission has very little discretion

01:13:02.160 --> 01:13:05.520
 in terms of their action, because it's either going to comply with all of our development

01:13:05.520 --> 01:13:07.880
 regulations or not.

01:13:07.880 --> 01:13:12.960
 The item that has more discretion available to it is the consideration of the specific

01:13:12.960 --> 01:13:15.920
 use permit request, which is the public hearing item.

01:13:15.920 --> 01:13:16.920
 Okay.

01:13:16.920 --> 01:13:20.040
 That's what I was concerned with, the specific use.

01:13:20.040 --> 01:13:24.000
 That's what I guess I should wait then to speak on.

01:13:24.000 --> 01:13:25.320
 And we will get to that.

01:13:25.320 --> 01:13:30.400
 That is our first public hearing item tonight, which comes up in two items, and I can call

01:13:30.400 --> 01:13:31.640
 your name again for that item.

01:13:31.640 --> 01:13:32.640
 Okay.

01:13:32.640 --> 01:13:33.640
 That's fine.

01:13:33.640 --> 01:13:34.640
 Thank you.

01:13:34.640 --> 01:13:35.640
 And that will be the public hearing portion of our...

01:13:35.640 --> 01:13:36.640
 Sorry for breaking the call.

01:13:36.640 --> 01:13:38.680
 You have nothing to be sorry for at all.

01:13:38.680 --> 01:13:42.920
 This is a little bit confusing just because we have so much happening with the project

01:13:42.920 --> 01:13:44.520
 all at the same time.

01:13:44.520 --> 01:13:46.760
 And Commissioner Ellis, if I could add.

01:13:46.760 --> 01:13:53.080
 So just for the folks in the audience benefit, so the preliminary plat that Julie just gave

01:13:53.080 --> 01:13:56.760
 the overview on it, it has conditions associated with it.

01:13:56.760 --> 01:14:01.800
 So one of the conditions is subject to approval of the specific use permit.

01:14:01.800 --> 01:14:06.480
 So because that item occurs later on the agenda and the city council has the final decision

01:14:06.480 --> 01:14:12.040
 authority on the specific use permit, the commission is able to go ahead and move forward

01:14:12.040 --> 01:14:15.340
 with consideration of the plats this evening.

01:14:15.340 --> 01:14:20.920
 So if the commission chooses to approve the plat with the conditions this evening, one

01:14:20.920 --> 01:14:26.720
 of the conditions that has to be satisfied is city council approving the zoning.

01:14:26.720 --> 01:14:30.280
 Council could also choose to deny the zoning request.

01:14:30.280 --> 01:14:34.840
 So if council eventually denies the zoning request, then these plats would be automatically

01:14:34.840 --> 01:14:37.000
 expired.

01:14:37.000 --> 01:14:44.600
 So just want to let you all know that if the commission chooses to approve the plat, that

01:14:44.600 --> 01:14:50.280
 still gives them the flexibility to be able to render a separate decision on the specific

01:14:50.280 --> 01:14:52.400
 use permit action tonight.

01:14:52.400 --> 01:14:58.000
 And then also council will have that consideration of that specific use permit.

01:14:58.000 --> 01:15:05.720
 With that being said, were there any questions for Julie on the preliminary plot?

01:15:05.720 --> 01:15:06.720
 Okay.

01:15:06.720 --> 01:15:07.720
 Commissioner Anderson.

01:15:07.720 --> 01:15:12.720
 Make a motion to approve the plat with the staff recommendations.

01:15:12.720 --> 01:15:13.720
 Conditions.

01:15:13.720 --> 01:15:14.720
 Okay.

01:15:14.720 --> 01:15:15.720
 Commissioner Cole.

01:15:15.720 --> 01:15:16.720
 Second.

01:15:16.720 --> 01:15:20.740
 Second for approval with the conditions noted.

01:15:20.740 --> 01:15:21.740
 Any discussion?

01:15:21.740 --> 01:15:22.740
 Okay.

01:15:22.740 --> 01:15:34.120
 Let's vote on the board, please.

01:15:34.120 --> 01:15:38.360
 That motion carries 5-1.

01:15:38.360 --> 01:15:47.480
 That will take us to 4EFP-220019.

01:15:47.480 --> 01:15:51.000
 Hello again, Julie.

01:15:51.000 --> 01:15:52.520
 Good evening, Julie Wyatt.

01:15:52.520 --> 01:15:55.040
 This is a final plat for that previous item.

01:15:55.040 --> 01:16:00.280
 Once again, the subject property is located along Woodrow.

01:16:00.280 --> 01:16:05.440
 It meets all the technical requirements for the city of Denton, but we are recommending

01:16:05.440 --> 01:16:10.360
 approval with conditions, one that the civil engineering plans must be approved prior to

01:16:10.360 --> 01:16:14.720
 final approval of the final plat, and any changes that would be required on the final

01:16:14.720 --> 01:16:20.720
 plat as a result of the civil engineering plans may be necessary.

01:16:20.720 --> 01:16:27.000
 The multifamily use, the specific use permit for that must be approved prior to final approval

01:16:27.000 --> 01:16:31.720
 of the final plat, and then if that SUP is not approved by council, then the final plat

01:16:31.720 --> 01:16:32.720
 would expire.

01:16:32.720 --> 01:16:35.760
 I'll be happy to answer any questions.

01:16:35.760 --> 01:16:36.760
 Okay.

01:16:36.760 --> 01:16:39.940
 Any questions for Julie?

01:16:39.940 --> 01:16:43.280
 Thank you.

01:16:43.280 --> 01:16:44.280
 Commissioner Anderson?

01:16:44.280 --> 01:16:52.400
 I'll make a motion to approve the plat based on staff recommendations.

01:16:52.400 --> 01:16:53.400
 Okay.

01:16:53.400 --> 01:16:54.400
 Commissioner Cole?

01:16:54.400 --> 01:16:55.400
 Second.

01:16:55.400 --> 01:17:01.200
 We have a first and a second for approval with stated conditions.

01:17:01.200 --> 01:17:03.880
 Discussion?

01:17:03.880 --> 01:17:12.600
 Let's vote on the board, please.

01:17:12.600 --> 01:17:19.120
 That motion carries five-one, taking us to our public hearing portion of the evening,

01:17:19.120 --> 01:17:23.720
 5A, S220002.

01:17:23.720 --> 01:17:31.560
 I will invite Julie Wyatt up again this presentation, and I will open the public hearing.

01:17:31.560 --> 01:17:38.560
 Good evening, Julie Wyatt, Senior Planner with the City of Denton.

01:17:38.560 --> 01:17:43.960
 I'm presenting S220002D, Pathway on Woodrow.

01:17:43.960 --> 01:17:50.040
 I won't go, I'll go kind of through the slides kind of quickly because this item has gone

01:17:50.040 --> 01:17:54.040
 before you, but we'll just take a little time to just talk through it.

01:17:54.040 --> 01:17:57.720
 The request before you is for a specific use permit for multifamily dwellings.

01:17:57.720 --> 01:18:04.240
 The subject property is located on the east side of Woodrow, south of McKinney.

01:18:04.240 --> 01:18:08.800
 The zoning for the property is SC District, which requires approval of a specific use

01:18:08.800 --> 01:18:11.280
 permit for that multifamily use.

01:18:11.280 --> 01:18:16.200
 Additionally, there is a riparian buffer along the eastern property boundary of the subject

01:18:16.200 --> 01:18:17.200
 site.

01:18:17.200 --> 01:18:21.840
 I'm not proposing any impacts to that ESA area.

01:18:21.840 --> 01:18:23.880
 Just quickly talk about the site plan.

01:18:23.880 --> 01:18:29.880
 They're proposing 285 units in three, I'm sorry, six three-story buildings.

01:18:29.880 --> 01:18:33.400
 The proposal also includes open space and recreation amenities.

01:18:33.400 --> 01:18:38.160
 There's a clubhouse, a pool, a dog park on site.

01:18:38.160 --> 01:18:43.280
 They are proposing 476 parking spaces as well as bicycle parking.

01:18:43.280 --> 01:18:50.440
 There are two vehicular connections, two duchess shown outlined in yellow on your screen.

01:18:50.440 --> 01:18:55.520
 They're also proposing to construct the entire width of duchess from Woodrow to their eastern

01:18:55.520 --> 01:18:58.800
 boundary, which is one of our mobility plan roads.

01:18:58.800 --> 01:19:03.400
 It's intended to be a secondary arterial within the city.

01:19:03.400 --> 01:19:07.980
 As part of the construction of duchess, they are proposing a 10-foot shared use path along

01:19:07.980 --> 01:19:12.580
 the north side of that street that would accommodate both pedestrians and bicycles.

01:19:12.580 --> 01:19:18.240
 They're also proposing to extend that 10-foot shared use path along their frontage on Woodrow

01:19:18.240 --> 01:19:21.720
 consistent with our bike plan.

01:19:21.720 --> 01:19:28.160
 The buildings are sited to frame that street corner along Woodrow and duchess as shown

01:19:28.160 --> 01:19:32.440
 in the purple boxes.

01:19:32.440 --> 01:19:37.320
 The proposal is consistent with our Denton 2040 comprehensive plan.

01:19:37.320 --> 01:19:41.840
 There's really four areas that we looked at in the comp plan related to this proposal.

01:19:41.840 --> 01:19:44.440
 First, the future land use map.

01:19:44.440 --> 01:19:49.480
 The future land use map designates this subject property as well as the entire area as moderate

01:19:49.480 --> 01:19:50.920
 residential.

01:19:50.920 --> 01:19:54.680
 Moderate residential is intended for four to 12 dwelling units per acre.

01:19:54.680 --> 01:19:59.400
 It's also intended for transition areas between single-family neighborhoods and areas of higher

01:19:59.400 --> 01:20:00.400
 intensity.

01:20:00.400 --> 01:20:04.720
 While the subject properties or the subject request has a density a little higher than

01:20:04.720 --> 01:20:09.880
 what moderate density intends, because of the context of the area and its adjacency

01:20:09.880 --> 01:20:17.820
 to that employment center at the corner of McKinney and Woodrow, as well as the adjacency

01:20:17.820 --> 01:20:20.240
 to one of our arterials in town.

01:20:20.240 --> 01:20:24.920
 This density makes sense then to allow it to transition to lower densities as you move

01:20:24.920 --> 01:20:27.520
 toward the east.

01:20:27.520 --> 01:20:32.000
 Also in the comprehensive plan, the city is anticipating growth.

01:20:32.000 --> 01:20:36.280
 We're anticipating substantial growth between now and 2040, and as part of that growth,

01:20:36.280 --> 01:20:41.160
 we need housing to accommodate all of those new residents.

01:20:41.160 --> 01:20:44.120
 This proposal is consistent with that housing demand.

01:20:44.120 --> 01:20:46.060
 It's also near our urban core.

01:20:46.060 --> 01:20:48.360
 It's close to our downtown area.

01:20:48.360 --> 01:20:55.600
 It meets that need near our areas that are already developed, and also serves that compact

01:20:55.600 --> 01:20:57.040
 development pattern.

01:20:57.040 --> 01:20:59.260
 Woodrow's an existing right of way.

01:20:59.260 --> 01:21:01.720
 It's served with existing water and sewer.

01:21:01.720 --> 01:21:04.640
 It just serves for that infill development piece.

01:21:04.640 --> 01:21:11.560
 The preferred land preservation plan, that's really related to our ESAs and our floodplains.

01:21:11.560 --> 01:21:16.600
 They are not proposing to impact that ESA area on their eastern side, so it is consistent

01:21:16.600 --> 01:21:18.720
 with that portion of the comp plan.

01:21:18.720 --> 01:21:20.520
 Then finally, our housing goals.

01:21:20.520 --> 01:21:25.780
 Our housing goals encourage us to meet the needs of all of our residents, and we should

01:21:25.780 --> 01:21:31.440
 be providing a diverse array of housing in both choice, type, and location, and this

01:21:31.440 --> 01:21:38.200
 serves that need, as well as expand the availability of housing choice for members in our community

01:21:38.200 --> 01:21:42.280
 who need affordable housing.

01:21:42.280 --> 01:21:46.280
 We also look within the SUP at the compatibility of the surrounding area.

01:21:46.280 --> 01:21:51.040
 It's really one of the major tenants of SUPs, and we not only look at what's immediately

01:21:51.040 --> 01:21:55.120
 adjacent to the property, but also within the larger context.

01:21:55.120 --> 01:21:59.960
 In this particular area, it's a little difficult to see, but the site is outlined here in yellow,

01:21:59.960 --> 01:22:05.180
 and as I mentioned, it is adjacent to Woodrow, just on the eastern side.

01:22:05.180 --> 01:22:10.100
 Woodrow is a secondary arterial within our city, as I mentioned, and this site is also

01:22:10.100 --> 01:22:12.520
 adjacent to some nodes of activity.

01:22:12.520 --> 01:22:17.080
 You've got a lot of county offices just to the west of the subject property, as well

01:22:17.080 --> 01:22:23.920
 as some commercial uses at that intersection of McKinney and Woodrow, so that node of activity.

01:22:23.920 --> 01:22:27.400
 Multifamily can be an important part of our mixed use centers.

01:22:27.400 --> 01:22:33.680
 It provides that necessary housing for not only places of employment, but also for our

01:22:33.680 --> 01:22:35.840
 commercial areas.

01:22:35.840 --> 01:22:39.040
 It's also consistent with the surrounding design.

01:22:39.040 --> 01:22:41.320
 We looked at the surrounding multifamily.

01:22:41.320 --> 01:22:44.160
 There is multifamily within the area.

01:22:44.160 --> 01:22:49.680
 We looked at how they were designed, and the proposal, the garden style apartment, it is

01:22:49.680 --> 01:22:55.120
 consistent with what's existing, providing those onsite amenities like pools and club

01:22:55.120 --> 01:22:56.120
 houses.

01:22:56.120 --> 01:23:02.300
 The density of 24 dwelling units per acre is pretty consistent with the surrounding area,

01:23:02.300 --> 01:23:07.640
 and then that development scale of three stories is also consistent with the surrounding area.

01:23:07.640 --> 01:23:13.240
 And then the zoning, SC, the subject property has SC zoning, as well as properties to the

01:23:13.240 --> 01:23:19.760
 south and to the north of the site, and we anticipate that those areas will develop with

01:23:19.760 --> 01:23:24.040
 uses in a development scale and intensity consistent with the proposal.

01:23:24.040 --> 01:23:28.280
 So the project is consistent with that surrounding area, as well as the goals of the comprehensive

01:23:28.280 --> 01:23:29.760
 plan.

01:23:29.760 --> 01:23:33.400
 Public outreach was sent out in accordance with our DENT development code.

01:23:33.400 --> 01:23:37.440
 We did it for the first meeting, as well as with this reconsideration meeting.

01:23:37.440 --> 01:23:43.360
 We've received three notices in favor of the request, or responses in favor, sorry, and

01:23:43.360 --> 01:23:46.520
 those are shown in green on your screen.

01:23:46.520 --> 01:23:50.960
 So based upon the criteria for approval, staff is recommending approval of the request.

01:23:50.960 --> 01:23:57.080
 I won't read all of the conditions, but we do attach conditions to SUPs as well as the

01:23:57.080 --> 01:24:02.320
 site plan and landscape plan to ensure that if the project is approved, that it would

01:24:02.320 --> 01:24:05.880
 develop in a manner consistent with what was shown at PNZ.

01:24:05.880 --> 01:24:07.800
 I'll be happy to answer any questions.

01:24:07.800 --> 01:24:10.280
 The applicant is here to answer questions as well.

01:24:10.280 --> 01:24:11.280
 Great.

01:24:11.280 --> 01:24:12.280
 Thank you, Julie.

01:24:12.280 --> 01:24:13.280
 Commissioner McDade.

01:24:13.280 --> 01:24:14.280
 Thank you.

01:24:14.280 --> 01:24:19.720
 Julie, could you go back to, well, yeah, you sent out the notices?

01:24:19.720 --> 01:24:20.720
 Yes, sir.

01:24:20.720 --> 01:24:21.720
 Okay.

01:24:21.720 --> 01:24:23.520
 I'm looking at the 500-foot buffer.

01:24:23.520 --> 01:24:27.480
 Is that a neighborhood or is that just an empty field?

01:24:27.480 --> 01:24:31.600
 I don't know exactly.

01:24:31.600 --> 01:24:37.720
 So we do send out notices to property owners within 200 feet of a request and then to utility

01:24:37.720 --> 01:24:40.240
 customers within 500 feet of the request.

01:24:40.240 --> 01:24:41.240
 Okay.

01:24:41.240 --> 01:24:47.560
 Given the site's location, the 200-foot boundary clipped some vacant property to the south

01:24:47.560 --> 01:24:52.360
 and to the west, as well as the multifamily or two multifamily projects to the north and

01:24:52.360 --> 01:24:56.640
 some commercial uses, as well as some county offices.

01:24:56.640 --> 01:25:02.240
 The 500-foot boundary also clipped essentially the same areas, adding in some park property

01:25:02.240 --> 01:25:06.060
 as well as those, a larger portion of those county offices.

01:25:06.060 --> 01:25:07.060
 Okay.

01:25:07.060 --> 01:25:14.760
 On the west, I'm looking at, well, I don't know what way I'm looking at this because

01:25:14.760 --> 01:25:18.660
 I'm trying to figure out where this property actually is because you keep saying the corner

01:25:18.660 --> 01:25:22.560
 of Woodrow and McKinney, but McKinney's nowhere near that.

01:25:22.560 --> 01:25:24.560
 You're looking at 1,300 feet from McKinney.

01:25:24.560 --> 01:25:25.560
 Correct.

01:25:25.560 --> 01:25:26.560
 Yes, sir.

01:25:26.560 --> 01:25:31.120
 That's why I'm trying to figure out the 500-foot buffer on all four areas with no neighborhood

01:25:31.120 --> 01:25:32.700
 or was it just...

01:25:32.700 --> 01:25:37.200
 There are no neighborhoods within 500 feet of the request, just those county offices.

01:25:37.200 --> 01:25:38.200
 And the jail.

01:25:38.200 --> 01:25:39.200
 Yes, sir.

01:25:39.200 --> 01:25:40.200
 The jail.

01:25:40.200 --> 01:25:41.200
 They have no vote.

01:25:41.200 --> 01:25:46.400
 Okay, I was just curious because I wasn't sure how I was looking at this to where exactly

01:25:46.400 --> 01:25:47.680
 in a neighborhood or just...

01:25:47.680 --> 01:25:48.680
 Sure.

01:25:48.680 --> 01:25:49.680
 Absolutely.

01:25:49.680 --> 01:25:50.680
 Yes, sir.

01:25:50.680 --> 01:25:51.680
 All right.

01:25:51.680 --> 01:25:52.680
 Thank you.

01:25:52.680 --> 01:25:56.960
 And Julie, you might want to say how it's drawn for every request, how the boundary

01:25:56.960 --> 01:25:57.960
 is drawn?

01:25:57.960 --> 01:26:00.920
 Of the request or of the...

01:26:00.920 --> 01:26:05.080
 How we draw the 200 and 500-foot buffer of every request.

01:26:05.080 --> 01:26:12.560
 So we take the property boundary and we measure out linearly that 200-foot boundary and it

01:26:12.560 --> 01:26:19.520
 encompasses all of that area within 200 feet out from the subject site and then again from

01:26:19.520 --> 01:26:20.920
 the 500 feet.

01:26:20.920 --> 01:26:22.800
 So it takes in all of that buffer.

01:26:22.800 --> 01:26:23.800
 Did that...

01:26:23.800 --> 01:26:24.800
 Yeah, I just wanted to...

01:26:24.800 --> 01:26:29.400
 Yeah, it explained, yeah, for the public of how we do it.

01:26:29.400 --> 01:26:32.280
 It's done the same way for any public hearing request.

01:26:32.280 --> 01:26:36.560
 And sometimes that encompasses undeveloped properties, sometimes it encompasses businesses

01:26:36.560 --> 01:26:40.680
 or governmental buildings or apartment complexes or what have you.

01:26:40.680 --> 01:26:46.300
 So just depends on where the site is and what's around it.

01:26:46.300 --> 01:26:47.300
 Of course, Tina.

01:26:47.300 --> 01:26:52.000
 Just for the benefit of those that are in the audience, so the 200-foot notification

01:26:52.000 --> 01:26:56.800
 requirement, we are required to notify all property owners based on the latest approved

01:26:56.800 --> 01:27:00.820
 tax rules that own property per state law.

01:27:00.820 --> 01:27:05.920
 So the additional 500-foot notification, the courtesy postcards that we send out, that's

01:27:05.920 --> 01:27:10.720
 what we, the City of Denton, do as a courtesy to our residents and property owners within

01:27:10.720 --> 01:27:11.800
 our community.

01:27:11.800 --> 01:27:16.980
 So we go above and beyond what the minimum state law requirement is for a specific use

01:27:16.980 --> 01:27:18.400
 permit request.

01:27:18.400 --> 01:27:19.400
 Thanks.

01:27:19.400 --> 01:27:20.400
 Commissioner Villarreal.

01:27:20.400 --> 01:27:24.040
 I have a couple of questions for the applicant.

01:27:24.040 --> 01:27:25.040
 Okay.

01:27:25.040 --> 01:27:27.760
 I haven't invited them up yet, so we're still on Julie questions.

01:27:27.760 --> 01:27:28.760
 Apologies.

01:27:28.760 --> 01:27:29.760
 No worries.

01:27:29.760 --> 01:27:30.760
 Okay.

01:27:30.760 --> 01:27:31.760
 Is Julie at the moment?

01:27:31.760 --> 01:27:32.760
 Okay.

01:27:32.760 --> 01:27:33.760
 Thank you, Julie.

01:27:33.760 --> 01:27:34.760
 Thank you.

01:27:34.760 --> 01:27:42.480
 Does the applicant have a presentation for us, or are you just?

01:27:42.480 --> 01:27:54.200
 I'm going to take that as a yes.

01:27:54.200 --> 01:27:55.200
 Maybe.

01:27:55.200 --> 01:27:56.200
 Is that better?

01:27:56.200 --> 01:27:57.200
 All right.

01:27:57.200 --> 01:27:58.200
 There you go.

01:27:58.200 --> 01:27:59.200
 Good afternoon.

01:27:59.200 --> 01:28:00.840
 Good afternoon, commissioners.

01:28:00.840 --> 01:28:01.840
 Great.

01:28:01.840 --> 01:28:11.080
 Karsten Lowe, 19240 Redland Road, Suite 114, San Antonio, Texas, 78259.

01:28:11.080 --> 01:28:17.320
 So we are Pathway, we're an affordable housing developer, and so we're actually here to speak

01:28:17.320 --> 01:28:19.840
 to you today about Pathway on Woodrow.

01:28:19.840 --> 01:28:28.200
 It's a 285-unit multifamily development for, it's 100% affordable, with 85% of the units

01:28:28.200 --> 01:28:35.160
 being for individuals earning 60% or below area median income, and 15% of the units for

01:28:35.160 --> 01:28:38.400
 applicants earning 30% or below area median income.

01:28:38.400 --> 01:28:42.680
 So one of the highest thresholds of affordability that can be had for the low-income housing

01:28:42.680 --> 01:28:44.760
 tax credit program.

01:28:44.760 --> 01:28:49.180
 So as you can see, when we were picking the site, we were looking at the proximity.

01:28:49.180 --> 01:28:56.100
 We saw the major thoroughfare of Woodrow Parkway, the close proximity to downtown, the fact

01:28:56.100 --> 01:28:59.940
 that it's two miles from the nearest Kroger.

01:28:59.940 --> 01:29:04.940
 All the schools are in close proximity, and so we were looking at this as the ultimate

01:29:04.940 --> 01:29:08.440
 benefits of a multifamily community.

01:29:08.440 --> 01:29:13.320
 And so as a part of this, we went and we reached out to several members of the community.

01:29:13.320 --> 01:29:16.040
 We reached out to the county judge.

01:29:16.040 --> 01:29:22.600
 We reached out to the school board, and so we've attempted to obtain community support

01:29:22.600 --> 01:29:24.680
 throughout the entire process.

01:29:24.680 --> 01:29:31.560
 According to community neighbors, we've had our first neighborhood meeting prior to the

01:29:31.560 --> 01:29:35.360
 first time we came and spoke to y'all, and then again, we are having another community

01:29:35.360 --> 01:29:40.960
 meeting on the 27th of June at the Martin Luther King Center, and that's going to be

01:29:40.960 --> 01:29:42.620
 at 6 p.m.

01:29:42.620 --> 01:29:48.280
 And so for us, we want to build something that will benefit the community, but for people

01:29:48.280 --> 01:29:52.160
 to serve the needs and meet the needs of affordability in the city of Denton.

01:29:52.160 --> 01:29:55.740
 And so this is a part of a larger concept.

01:29:55.740 --> 01:29:59.800
 This whole census tract is widely undeveloped because there is so much floodplain in the

01:29:59.800 --> 01:30:05.960
 area, but we see this as just a part of the housing for the census tract.

01:30:05.960 --> 01:30:12.760
 You can see in the top, our 285 units is going to be part of a larger master plan community.

01:30:12.760 --> 01:30:19.080
 So the entity we're purchasing this from is also the holder of the rest of this land,

01:30:19.080 --> 01:30:24.960
 and so their ultimate goal is to develop this, is to put more single-family units on the

01:30:24.960 --> 01:30:25.960
 ground.

01:30:25.960 --> 01:30:32.720
 So specifically, as Julie said, there's going to be six three-story garden-style buildings,

01:30:32.720 --> 01:30:39.700
 and we wanted to have an emphasis on just overall infrastructure and, you know, being

01:30:39.700 --> 01:30:46.580
 sure that we're meeting access plans, connectivity to Mack Park and the immediate back border,

01:30:46.580 --> 01:30:49.240
 as well as having community amenities.

01:30:49.240 --> 01:30:53.440
 We're going to have over 2,800 square foot community center that's going to have after

01:30:53.440 --> 01:30:54.640
 school programs.

01:30:54.640 --> 01:31:02.900
 It's going to provide other support for just the various residents of our community, along

01:31:02.900 --> 01:31:06.520
 with a resort-style pool, playscapes.

01:31:06.520 --> 01:31:10.760
 Throughout the development, there's going to be all Energy Star appliances, granite

01:31:10.760 --> 01:31:13.320
 countertops, hard surface flooring throughout.

01:31:13.320 --> 01:31:20.120
 So we take pride in our developments, and so this is an example elevation of what we're

01:31:20.120 --> 01:31:22.440
 proposing the development's going to look like.

01:31:22.440 --> 01:31:27.560
 We also do market-rate developments, and we use the same architects.

01:31:27.560 --> 01:31:29.000
 We use the same interior designers.

01:31:29.000 --> 01:31:30.940
 We use the same civil engineers.

01:31:30.940 --> 01:31:35.480
 We want our product to be as high-quality of a development as we possibly can.

01:31:35.480 --> 01:31:39.640
 And so you can see here, this is just an example of one of our developments in San Antonio,

01:31:39.640 --> 01:31:46.040
 but we have everything from walk-in showers, on-site management.

01:31:46.040 --> 01:31:49.640
 And so we believe that this development will add to the City of Denton.

01:31:49.640 --> 01:31:54.240
 It will provide much needed affordable housing, while still being a quality development that

01:31:54.240 --> 01:31:57.140
 furthers the need for affordable housing.

01:31:57.140 --> 01:32:03.320
 And so we also have one of the partners, Darren Woodson, here to speak on behalf of the development.

01:32:03.320 --> 01:32:05.720
 Thank you.

01:32:05.720 --> 01:32:11.400
 Darren Woodson, 5614 Boca Raton, Dallas, Texas.

01:32:11.400 --> 01:32:12.440
 First of all, thank you.

01:32:12.440 --> 01:32:13.440
 Thank you for having me.

01:32:13.440 --> 01:32:21.320
 This has been a pleasure to be around and really be a part of the City of Denton.

01:32:21.320 --> 01:32:23.760
 The reason I'm here, and I got to give you my why.

01:32:23.760 --> 01:32:30.360
 My why is, for the longest time, I was a former Dallas Cowboy, played 13 years with the organization.

01:32:30.360 --> 01:32:37.080
 After that, went on to be with ESPN as an analyst for another 13 years again, but my

01:32:37.080 --> 01:32:38.960
 why was never my purpose.

01:32:38.960 --> 01:32:44.120
 My purpose today is to give back and provide social programming.

01:32:44.120 --> 01:32:46.280
 I'm on the board of United Way in Dallas.

01:32:46.280 --> 01:32:50.760
 I'm on the board of Make-A-Wish Foundation in C5, Texas.

01:32:50.760 --> 01:32:55.120
 My why is to give and serve the community.

01:32:55.120 --> 01:32:58.440
 At Woodrow, what we're doing, at Pathway of Woodrow, what we're trying to provide in-house

01:32:58.440 --> 01:33:07.880
 on the club, in the club facility is after-school programming, laptops, financial literacy classes.

01:33:07.880 --> 01:33:14.220
 We are also providing $25,000 scholarships annually to the community.

01:33:14.220 --> 01:33:15.220
 We want to give.

01:33:15.220 --> 01:33:16.220
 We want to serve.

01:33:16.220 --> 01:33:17.220
 We understand what we're trying to do.

01:33:17.220 --> 01:33:18.220
 We want a partner.

01:33:18.220 --> 01:33:22.600
 One thing we're going to do as far as who we are is we're going to be there for 15 years.

01:33:22.600 --> 01:33:23.600
 We can't get out.

01:33:23.600 --> 01:33:26.520
 We cannot sell this property for 15 years.

01:33:26.520 --> 01:33:32.700
 We want to be a partner here in Denton for the long haul, and in doing so, we know we

01:33:32.700 --> 01:33:34.960
 have to serve and we have to give.

01:33:34.960 --> 01:33:37.480
 As Carson mentioned, we know where we are.

01:33:37.480 --> 01:33:39.040
 We're not in a food desert.

01:33:39.040 --> 01:33:45.440
 We're 1.7 miles, actually, Carson, from the local Kroger, right down the street from Rivera

01:33:45.440 --> 01:33:46.440
 Elementary School.

01:33:46.440 --> 01:33:47.800
 Denton Ryan is not there.

01:33:47.800 --> 01:33:52.000
 We know we're going to serve the kids and the children in that community, and it's our

01:33:52.000 --> 01:33:58.240
 goal to have everyone, like I would say, graduate and then get into their own single family

01:33:58.240 --> 01:33:59.840
 home from there.

01:33:59.840 --> 01:34:05.120
 That's a win-win for us, but again, we want to be a long, long-term, and we will be a

01:34:05.120 --> 01:34:06.120
 long-term partner.

01:34:06.120 --> 01:34:07.760
 Again, thank you for having me.

01:34:07.760 --> 01:34:08.760
 Thank you.

01:34:08.760 --> 01:34:12.560
 Appreciate you.

01:34:12.560 --> 01:34:13.880
 Anybody else?

01:34:13.880 --> 01:34:14.880
 Okay.

01:34:14.880 --> 01:34:20.720
 Commissioner Villarreal, I know you had a question for the applicant, correct?

01:34:20.720 --> 01:34:22.200
 Hello.

01:34:22.200 --> 01:34:23.560
 Hi.

01:34:23.560 --> 01:34:24.840
 I'm Diane Baker.

01:34:24.840 --> 01:34:28.640
 I'm a long-term resident of Denton.

01:34:28.640 --> 01:34:35.480
 I went to T.W. and graduated, coached there, and been there forever, and I joined the Housing

01:34:35.480 --> 01:34:41.080
 Authority a year and a half ago, and I'm going to introduce my president in a minute.

01:34:41.080 --> 01:34:43.040
 I'm vice president.

01:34:43.040 --> 01:34:49.000
 It came to my notice very quickly that we had to have two things happen.

01:34:49.000 --> 01:34:55.400
 One, as a city of Denton, I was very concerned about what I was seeing in the streets, and

01:34:55.400 --> 01:35:01.720
 I felt like that the city as a whole, every entity of it, had to work together.

01:35:01.720 --> 01:35:06.120
 We have to work together to fix our housing problem.

01:35:06.120 --> 01:35:11.240
 We can't be one thing over here and another thing over there and another thing over here.

01:35:11.240 --> 01:35:19.440
 The other thing that I saw was I was told that we had 2,500 people the first time around

01:35:19.440 --> 01:35:20.920
 that did not have houses.

01:35:20.920 --> 01:35:26.720
 Then it went up to 4,500 people that did not have houses.

01:35:26.720 --> 01:35:33.840
 Now the last count that I have is 6,500 people in Denton, Texas, one of the best cities in

01:35:33.840 --> 01:35:37.200
 the country, do not have housing.

01:35:37.200 --> 01:35:42.880
 I do not care if our housing is on the top of T.W.'s tower at the president's deal.

01:35:42.880 --> 01:35:48.000
 We have to have housing, and we have to join together to come together to figure out how

01:35:48.000 --> 01:35:50.400
 we can do that.

01:35:50.400 --> 01:35:52.280
 I am in support of this.

01:35:52.280 --> 01:35:54.800
 We as a committee worked very hard.

01:35:54.800 --> 01:35:56.560
 We looked at the pros and cons.

01:35:56.560 --> 01:36:02.360
 I think this will be good for Denton, Denton, Texas will prosper for this.

01:36:02.360 --> 01:36:07.800
 If I can introduce my president, Beverly Bryant, for a couple words, thank you very much.

01:36:07.800 --> 01:36:08.800
 Thank you.

01:36:08.800 --> 01:36:09.800
 Okay.

01:36:09.800 --> 01:36:19.160
 Yeah, I got a little bit confused if we were still on the applicant presentation or not.

01:36:19.160 --> 01:36:22.100
 It sounded like we were for a moment there.

01:36:22.100 --> 01:36:28.120
 Come on up, Beverly, and then I'm going to tie things and straighten things out here.

01:36:28.120 --> 01:36:29.120
 All right.

01:36:29.120 --> 01:36:30.120
 So I am Beverly Bryant.

01:36:30.120 --> 01:36:35.280
 I am the chair for the Denton Housing Authority, and as the Denton Housing Authority chair,

01:36:35.280 --> 01:36:40.980
 we see the need for affordable housing in Denton County as we have this crisis across

01:36:40.980 --> 01:36:41.980
 the country.

01:36:41.980 --> 01:36:49.480
 So I am here in support of this Pathway Woodrow project as it will bring 285 affordable, 100%

01:36:49.480 --> 01:36:51.600
 affordable units to our community.

01:36:51.600 --> 01:36:53.040
 Thanks, Beverly.

01:36:53.040 --> 01:36:59.280
 Okay, so I'm going to circle back and head back to where I thought we were, which was

01:36:59.280 --> 01:37:00.840
 the applicant presentation.

01:37:00.840 --> 01:37:03.760
 So Commissioner Villarreal, did you have a question for the applicant?

01:37:03.760 --> 01:37:04.760
 Yeah, a couple questions.

01:37:04.760 --> 01:37:08.480
 Okay, I'm going to let you ask that now, and then we're going to move to some public comments.

01:37:08.480 --> 01:37:12.420
 So at the last Southeast Denton Neighborhood Association meeting, there was a good amount

01:37:12.420 --> 01:37:16.800
 of contention and concern regarding this SEP and associated project.

01:37:16.800 --> 01:37:22.460
 I fully understand that the neighborhood did not fall within the 500-foot boundary to legally

01:37:22.460 --> 01:37:27.200
 be required, but their neighborhood will be greatly affected by this project, and they

01:37:27.200 --> 01:37:30.240
 are within about 1,000 feet of the proposed project.

01:37:30.240 --> 01:37:33.120
 Have you had the opportunity to discuss this project with community members and leaders

01:37:33.120 --> 01:37:35.440
 in Southeast Denton?

01:37:35.440 --> 01:37:37.680
 So yes, Commissioner Villarreal.

01:37:37.680 --> 01:37:43.000
 So we've spoken with the individual local leaders, both with the Denton Housing Authority,

01:37:43.000 --> 01:37:49.680
 we've spoken with Councilwoman Byrd, we've spoken with the mayor about this development.

01:37:49.680 --> 01:37:53.840
 Throughout the process, we have done our best to get involved in community engagement, and

01:37:53.840 --> 01:38:00.320
 to your point, we plan to continue to do so, and that's why we're also coinciding our meeting

01:38:00.320 --> 01:38:06.200
 with an existing neighborhood meeting on that 27th of this month, is to be able to speak

01:38:06.200 --> 01:38:11.620
 to that and to be able to address those concerns, because we do value the community's opinion

01:38:11.620 --> 01:38:12.620
 greatly.

01:38:12.620 --> 01:38:16.020
 So that did answer my second question, which was that you will be at the SED and the meeting

01:38:16.020 --> 01:38:17.020
 this month?

01:38:17.020 --> 01:38:18.020
 Correct.

01:38:18.020 --> 01:38:19.020
 Gotcha.

01:38:19.020 --> 01:38:20.020
 I have one more question.

01:38:20.020 --> 01:38:24.300
 At the May 11th P&Z meeting, members of the applicant's team referred to the project as

01:38:24.300 --> 01:38:33.200
 both "a new Class A community" and simultaneously as an "artificial buffer" between the jail

01:38:33.200 --> 01:38:35.520
 and a future single-family development.

01:38:35.520 --> 01:38:39.600
 I think word choice and intention matter, and I believe all Dentonites should be treated

01:38:39.600 --> 01:38:43.440
 with dignity and respect, especially to working-class folks who will make up the development's

01:38:43.440 --> 01:38:45.360
 hypothetical renters.

01:38:45.360 --> 01:38:48.720
 Do you envision this project as a community built to give working-class families, including

01:38:48.720 --> 01:38:52.600
 many single mothers and children, a respectable apartment to live?

01:38:52.600 --> 01:38:56.000
 Or is it simply a buffer for the higher-end single-family development you'll have planned

01:38:56.000 --> 01:38:57.000
 for the future?

01:38:57.000 --> 01:38:58.400
 And you're exactly right.

01:38:58.400 --> 01:39:02.240
 Word choice does matter, and we must have misspoken, and so I apologize on behalf of

01:39:02.240 --> 01:39:03.760
 the development team.

01:39:03.760 --> 01:39:08.840
 But I will say that this is going to be a development for the single mothers, for the

01:39:08.840 --> 01:39:10.840
 families, for the students.

01:39:10.840 --> 01:39:13.780
 We're going to have programs to build up the community.

01:39:13.780 --> 01:39:19.100
 This is not something where we're attempting to necessarily buffer, per se, for the sake

01:39:19.100 --> 01:39:21.760
 of some other single-family investor somewhere.

01:39:21.760 --> 01:39:26.720
 We are building this development for the city of Denton, for the affordable housing residents,

01:39:26.720 --> 01:39:32.680
 for the people that can be lifted up and empowered through the programs that we plan to provide.

01:39:32.680 --> 01:39:34.680
 Appreciate it.

01:39:34.680 --> 01:39:36.680
 Commissioner McDade?

01:39:36.680 --> 01:39:37.680
 Thank you, Chair.

01:39:37.680 --> 01:39:43.080
 I may need Denton Housing at the podium with you all, so this question is going to be a

01:39:43.080 --> 01:39:44.080
 two-part one.

01:39:44.080 --> 01:39:45.080
 Yes, sir.

01:39:45.080 --> 01:39:46.080
 Okay.

01:39:46.080 --> 01:39:51.680
 But at the last meeting that you had, you had it broken down about how many apartments

01:39:51.680 --> 01:39:52.680
 or one bedroom.

01:39:52.680 --> 01:39:54.120
 Do you have that documentation?

01:39:54.120 --> 01:39:55.120
 Yes, sir.

01:39:55.120 --> 01:40:10.480
 I can go pull that, or actually I believe ... I'll pull it up for you right now.

01:40:10.480 --> 01:40:11.480
 Okay.

01:40:11.480 --> 01:40:14.240
 So you had it broken down and you also had the prices out, so that's ...

01:40:14.240 --> 01:40:15.240
 Yes, sir.

01:40:15.240 --> 01:40:20.240
 Let me get that in my notes here.

01:40:20.240 --> 01:40:21.240
 Perfect.

01:40:21.240 --> 01:40:29.920
 We have 102 one-bedroom units, 111 two-bedroom units, 51 three-bedroom units, and 21 four-bedroom

01:40:29.920 --> 01:40:30.920
 units.

01:40:30.920 --> 01:40:34.920
 I'll pull up the rental prices as well.

01:40:34.920 --> 01:40:40.920
 But at the last meeting, I know the one-bedroom you had it at 548, and the four-bedroom you

01:40:40.920 --> 01:40:48.080
 had at 758, but I think I saw in the city council meeting, I want to check the price

01:40:48.080 --> 01:40:52.600
 of the four-bedroom because I do believe you haven't laid one brick, but you've already

01:40:52.600 --> 01:40:54.520
 raised the prices.

01:40:54.520 --> 01:41:02.720
 So the way our rents are regulated is through HUD, so all of our rental prices, we don't

01:41:02.720 --> 01:41:04.000
 make those prices.

01:41:04.000 --> 01:41:07.260
 That's determined by the federal government and HUD.

01:41:07.260 --> 01:41:11.680
 So they base it off the area median income of Denton County.

01:41:11.680 --> 01:41:16.040
 So those numbers we're giving you, yes, they're correct, but they're subject to change basically

01:41:16.040 --> 01:41:19.280
 based upon what HUD gives us.

01:41:19.280 --> 01:41:20.280
 Okay.

01:41:20.280 --> 01:41:30.120
 And now ... Thank you.

01:41:30.120 --> 01:41:34.680
 I just need you to walk me through because I mean, I don't know how housing authority

01:41:34.680 --> 01:41:35.680
 works.

01:41:35.680 --> 01:41:40.080
 I really don't, but I'm looking at ... When I think about affordable housing, I think

01:41:40.080 --> 01:41:46.920
 of a couple with two or three children.

01:41:46.920 --> 01:41:53.600
 And I'm looking at ... You have the one-bedroom, you have 102 one-bedrooms, and you have 111

01:41:53.600 --> 01:41:54.920
 two-bedrooms.

01:41:54.920 --> 01:41:59.600
 I'm trying to figure out the demographic of what you're actually trying to get into those

01:41:59.600 --> 01:42:06.400
 apartments, because if I'm married and I have a daughter and a son, I know Denton Housing

01:42:06.400 --> 01:42:09.480
 Authority, I don't think they allow them to share a bedroom, so that'd knock me out of

01:42:09.480 --> 01:42:10.480
 the two-bedroom.

01:42:10.480 --> 01:42:12.600
 Is that how it works?

01:42:12.600 --> 01:42:13.600
 Yeah, that is.

01:42:13.600 --> 01:42:18.880
 Actually, Denton really needs more one-bedrooms, so one-bedrooms was ... When we seen the number

01:42:18.880 --> 01:42:23.800
 of one-bedrooms we could get with this development, it was really a big bonus, because seniors

01:42:23.800 --> 01:42:24.800
 also can live in this.

01:42:24.800 --> 01:42:31.720
 That's true, yeah, like I said, and I normally, I relate when I hear affordable housing, not

01:42:31.720 --> 01:42:37.760
 only to seniors veterans, but I'm thinking of single parents with multiple children.

01:42:37.760 --> 01:42:43.800
 And that's why I can say, this is what drew me to a no at the last meeting, because had

01:42:43.800 --> 01:42:48.520
 those numbers been reversed and you had more the three and four bedrooms, I wouldn't have

01:42:48.520 --> 01:42:49.520
 an issue with that.

01:42:49.520 --> 01:42:53.520
 But I know you need more single bedrooms and two bedrooms, but I'm looking at the people

01:42:53.520 --> 01:42:59.360
 who are going to be left out, because if I have two children, I'm already knocked out

01:42:59.360 --> 01:43:04.920
 of the 102 and I'm knocked out of the 111, I have less than a 25% chance of even getting

01:43:04.920 --> 01:43:09.760
 into this project, and that's what really ... I didn't understand that, and that's why

01:43:09.760 --> 01:43:15.480
 I was a no, because I can say, I don't really understand how the Housing Authority works,

01:43:15.480 --> 01:43:21.360
 but I know the one and two bedrooms, you leave out a big majority of the people who actually

01:43:21.360 --> 01:43:24.480
 need affordable housing.

01:43:24.480 --> 01:43:28.200
 Thank you.

01:43:28.200 --> 01:43:30.400
 Commissioner Pruitt, did you have a question for the applicant?

01:43:30.400 --> 01:43:33.720
 Yes, thank you, Chair.

01:43:33.720 --> 01:43:37.840
 Since a couple of times the affordability and rents and that sort of things have comes

01:43:37.840 --> 01:43:42.680
 up, I just want to try to set the stage for how these projects work a little bit.

01:43:42.680 --> 01:43:47.800
 I know we could have a master's degree in LIHTC and I don't want to go there, but I

01:43:47.800 --> 01:43:52.200
 just want to make sure I'm understanding when I look at the map correctly.

01:43:52.200 --> 01:43:58.840
 When I look at HUD's map, I don't see any qualified census districts north of University

01:43:58.840 --> 01:43:59.840
 Drive.

01:43:59.840 --> 01:44:07.800
 They're kind of clustered in the south of Denton, and my understanding is that those

01:44:07.800 --> 01:44:13.240
 low income housing tax credit developments, if they are within a qualified district, provide

01:44:13.240 --> 01:44:19.000
 a certain percentage equity boost that essentially allows you to provide more affordable units.

01:44:19.000 --> 01:44:20.000
 Correct.

01:44:20.000 --> 01:44:25.000
 My follow up then is, I know you haven't run the numbers, but just from your experience

01:44:25.000 --> 01:44:34.200
 seeing LIHTC, that's really hard to say, sorry, properties like this, what percentage more

01:44:34.200 --> 01:44:39.000
 of affordable units do you get when they're placed in a district like this?

01:44:39.000 --> 01:44:44.680
 Yeah, so it's not necessarily amount of number of more affordable units, it actually boils

01:44:44.680 --> 01:44:51.040
 down to whether or not you can financially develop the actual development itself.

01:44:51.040 --> 01:44:56.120
 With rising construction costs and interest rates and the myriad of other challenges that

01:44:56.120 --> 01:45:03.360
 COVID and just this environment poses, candidly, if we didn't have a tax credit boost, which

01:45:03.360 --> 01:45:08.360
 is either a qualified census tract or a difficult to development area, and that's also, like

01:45:08.360 --> 01:45:14.240
 you said, on the map from HUD, we could not develop this particular development in Denton.

01:45:14.240 --> 01:45:15.240
 Okay.

01:45:15.240 --> 01:45:16.240
 Thank you.

01:45:16.240 --> 01:45:17.240
 Okay.

01:45:17.240 --> 01:45:23.880
 I don't see any other questions for the applicant at this time, so I am going to start calling

01:45:23.880 --> 01:45:26.080
 cards that I have.

01:45:26.080 --> 01:45:32.080
 Nathaniel Johnson.

01:45:32.080 --> 01:45:39.760
 If you will come down and state your name and address, your time will begin to speak.

01:45:39.760 --> 01:45:40.760
 Hi.

01:45:40.760 --> 01:45:46.360
 I wasn't expecting to be the first one to speak because I was the last one to get a

01:45:46.360 --> 01:45:47.360
 card.

01:45:47.360 --> 01:45:48.360
 But my name is Nathaniel Johnson.

01:45:48.360 --> 01:45:56.840
 I live at 6109 Thurbray Trail, Denton, Texas, 76210.

01:45:56.840 --> 01:46:03.760
 Something that I've heard speak in favor of this tonight, don't live in the black community.

01:46:03.760 --> 01:46:12.540
 This particular development won't have a negative impact on the homeowners that have been residing

01:46:12.540 --> 01:46:16.040
 in the black neighborhood in Southeast Denton.

01:46:16.040 --> 01:46:20.240
 With this development, you're going to increase the traffic that's going to come through the

01:46:20.240 --> 01:46:22.360
 black community.

01:46:22.360 --> 01:46:28.680
 And those of us that are familiar with Woodrow and Marth, right now it's hard to get onto

01:46:28.680 --> 01:46:30.800
 Marth from Woodrow.

01:46:30.800 --> 01:46:37.600
 So if you're going to add 86 kids to Thomas Rivera, now you're adding 86 more cars to

01:46:37.600 --> 01:46:39.080
 the traffic.

01:46:39.080 --> 01:46:46.000
 Also, these gentlemen here that are in favor of it, nine times out of 10, once this deal

01:46:46.000 --> 01:46:48.760
 is done, you don't see them again.

01:46:48.760 --> 01:46:50.600
 So we need to focus on that.

01:46:50.600 --> 01:46:57.960
 With this SUP, once you open the door for them, who's to say that they're going to be the

01:46:57.960 --> 01:46:59.800
 only developers to come?

01:46:59.800 --> 01:47:03.020
 So you have 285 units with them.

01:47:03.020 --> 01:47:08.000
 And then when someone else comes with another SUP, then you're going to add another 285,

01:47:08.000 --> 01:47:14.920
 another 300, and it's just going to be basically impossible to move around in that community

01:47:14.920 --> 01:47:18.920
 because people are going to leave Woodrow trying to go down Marth Street because right

01:47:18.920 --> 01:47:20.800
 now, Shady Oaks is hard to get onto.

01:47:20.800 --> 01:47:26.880
 They're going to hit Morris, then go to Robertson, Chambers, Ruth, all the different avenues

01:47:26.880 --> 01:47:30.920
 to get there impacting the residents that live there.

01:47:30.920 --> 01:47:33.400
 And the Denver is a big city.

01:47:33.400 --> 01:47:34.680
 There's other places that they can do it.

01:47:34.680 --> 01:47:40.240
 Affordable housing just don't have to be in the black neighborhood or the black part of

01:47:40.240 --> 01:47:41.240
 town.

01:47:41.240 --> 01:47:47.080
 I mean, because with this, you really, it's just an inconvenience to the people.

01:47:47.080 --> 01:47:51.920
 But not saying that people don't deserve a place to live, let me clear that up.

01:47:51.920 --> 01:47:52.920
 Not saying that.

01:47:52.920 --> 01:47:57.880
 What I'm saying is this project, if it's that good, it's that great, it could be put somewhere

01:47:57.880 --> 01:48:02.200
 else in the city versus impacting the people that live here.

01:48:02.200 --> 01:48:07.520
 So if you turn a blind eye to the residents who have homes, property, invested in this

01:48:07.520 --> 01:48:17.240
 city for over 50 years, for an area of, for basically profit making money down the line,

01:48:17.240 --> 01:48:23.880
 because they haven't said in 15 years, after this contract is over, does the price go up

01:48:23.880 --> 01:48:25.760
 after 15 years?

01:48:25.760 --> 01:48:27.200
 Once that's done, does it go up?

01:48:27.200 --> 01:48:30.320
 They haven't answered that question, only if anybody's ever asked it.

01:48:30.320 --> 01:48:34.160
 So when they come to the center meeting, expect to fight it because I'm going to have more

01:48:34.160 --> 01:48:35.160
 questions.

01:48:35.160 --> 01:48:36.760
 I'm going to have more questions.

01:48:36.760 --> 01:48:38.900
 And that's my time.

01:48:38.900 --> 01:48:41.620
 Thank you, Mr. Johnson.

01:48:41.620 --> 01:48:59.240
 Next, Mr. Clark.

01:48:59.240 --> 01:49:00.240
 Hello again.

01:49:00.240 --> 01:49:01.240
 Hello again.

01:49:01.240 --> 01:49:02.240
 I'm William Clark.

01:49:02.240 --> 01:49:04.760
 I live at 1109 Curley Street in Texas.

01:49:04.760 --> 01:49:05.760
 Thank you.

01:49:05.760 --> 01:49:06.760
 76205.

01:49:06.760 --> 01:49:12.340
 Mr. Johnson pretty much hit on several things I already spoke of.

01:49:12.340 --> 01:49:19.400
 I noticed that the 500 or 200, the distance or the perimeter or whatever that you had

01:49:19.400 --> 01:49:25.240
 to get approval, none of us necessarily live in that area because it's a wooded area.

01:49:25.240 --> 01:49:29.720
 I used to hunt there, you know, it's on the edge of town.

01:49:29.720 --> 01:49:35.960
 But as he said earlier, we feel the effects of traffic every day.

01:49:35.960 --> 01:49:41.040
 I've been fighting with the city of Denton for two years for traffic enforcement on our

01:49:41.040 --> 01:49:42.040
 street.

01:49:42.040 --> 01:49:43.040
 They drag race.

01:49:43.040 --> 01:49:46.600
 Matter of fact, our street was torn up for a year.

01:49:46.600 --> 01:49:51.200
 And now that it's paved and it looks real nice, I think they felt like that made it

01:49:51.200 --> 01:49:53.400
 even better for drag strip.

01:49:53.400 --> 01:49:56.760
 And I'm not exaggerating, most of the times if you step outside here, you can hear the

01:49:56.760 --> 01:50:00.880
 noise and the drags was going up and down the street from this distance.

01:50:00.880 --> 01:50:07.040
 I've asked for traffic assistance, you know, or more up beat patrol in our area because

01:50:07.040 --> 01:50:09.080
 of this.

01:50:09.080 --> 01:50:14.160
 We get signs put out that are right at the intersection, the digital signs that actually

01:50:14.160 --> 01:50:16.320
 mark your speed.

01:50:16.320 --> 01:50:20.520
 But they didn't place them where they needed to be, where they can actually collect data.

01:50:20.520 --> 01:50:25.280
 That means either they don't want to because they have to do something about it or they're

01:50:25.280 --> 01:50:27.300
 not real smart.

01:50:27.300 --> 01:50:29.680
 So we already have enough with traffic.

01:50:29.680 --> 01:50:32.280
 You're going to add, like you said, 285 units.

01:50:32.280 --> 01:50:35.920
 You can't hardly get on to Woodrow certain times of the day.

01:50:35.920 --> 01:50:43.040
 And forget turning left off Morris headed Northbound on Woodrow pretty much all day.

01:50:43.040 --> 01:50:48.240
 And I heard it said earlier that you want to accommodate people, all four people having

01:50:48.240 --> 01:50:49.240
 housing.

01:50:49.240 --> 01:50:50.240
 Everybody has a place to live.

01:50:50.240 --> 01:50:53.600
 I hate seeing somebody without just some place to cover their head.

01:50:53.600 --> 01:50:55.680
 But what about accommodating the people that have been there?

01:50:55.680 --> 01:50:58.040
 I've been there most of my life.

01:50:58.040 --> 01:51:02.320
 Except for when I went to college and came back home and I've served my community.

01:51:02.320 --> 01:51:03.400
 My parents have.

01:51:03.400 --> 01:51:07.200
 We've been there for over 100 years.

01:51:07.200 --> 01:51:11.280
 And the first I've heard of this now that supposedly they spoke with people from the

01:51:11.280 --> 01:51:16.880
 community, the mayor and the commission, the city council lady.

01:51:16.880 --> 01:51:21.720
 I didn't hear about this until yesterday or yeah, yesterday.

01:51:21.720 --> 01:51:22.720
 And that's easy to say.

01:51:22.720 --> 01:51:27.440
 And again, I'm not trying to stop anybody from having a place to live, but we need some

01:51:27.440 --> 01:51:29.360
 consideration.

01:51:29.360 --> 01:51:30.360
 We have enough.

01:51:30.360 --> 01:51:36.960
 And also, like Mr. Johnson took all my points, but anyway, if it's a good idea, everybody's

01:51:36.960 --> 01:51:42.960
 all for affordable housing, it pulls the tugs at your heartstrings, but not in my community.

01:51:42.960 --> 01:51:46.000
 It always ends up over here.

01:51:46.000 --> 01:51:50.360
 And nobody is doing anything about or for the residents that are here.

01:51:50.360 --> 01:51:51.880
 We've been fighting, like I said, for two years.

01:51:51.880 --> 01:51:53.520
 I've been chased by dogs.

01:51:53.520 --> 01:51:55.680
 I've had to kill dogs in my yard.

01:51:55.680 --> 01:51:59.200
 I've had to protect my 87-year-old mother from packs of dogs.

01:51:59.200 --> 01:52:04.360
 I've had to kill dogs for killing my livestock and my pastor in the back, protect my neighbor,

01:52:04.360 --> 01:52:06.440
 my wife who is disabled.

01:52:06.440 --> 01:52:10.480
 And I'm the guy that's the troublemaker.

01:52:10.480 --> 01:52:14.040
 And I've heard this and they don't know that I know, but I'm retired law enforcement 30

01:52:14.040 --> 01:52:15.040
 years.

01:52:15.040 --> 01:52:19.400
 I think I know a little bit about serving people and about what crime and what affordable

01:52:19.400 --> 01:52:21.640
 housing means.

01:52:21.640 --> 01:52:26.280
 And I'm not saying that everybody is poor, is a bad person, we all know better than that.

01:52:26.280 --> 01:52:29.280
 But we do know the things that tend to come with that.

01:52:29.280 --> 01:52:31.560
 Let's just be honest.

01:52:31.560 --> 01:52:36.840
 And you're adding us to take on another burden with less patrol, with less security, less

01:52:36.840 --> 01:52:38.760
 response from law enforcement.

01:52:38.760 --> 01:52:45.000
 Now some of these other places in town, and yes, I do have an inside track on some things,

01:52:45.000 --> 01:52:49.380
 they can complain, they'll dedicate resources to it, and not only that, but they'll go back

01:52:49.380 --> 01:52:53.480
 and go door to door to say, "Hey, how are we doing, are you happy with our response?"

01:52:53.480 --> 01:52:55.120
 I don't talk to anybody.

01:52:55.120 --> 01:52:59.720
 They show up in my yard for me calling them for a 911 call, I'm standing here with a pistol

01:52:59.720 --> 01:53:01.720
 keeping dogs off my family.

01:53:01.720 --> 01:53:05.960
 And they're more concerned about me as a retired law enforcement officer with a handgun on

01:53:05.960 --> 01:53:06.960
 my own property.

01:53:06.960 --> 01:53:09.660
 Then they never asked my mom, "Was anybody bitten?

01:53:09.660 --> 01:53:10.660
 Anybody hurt?"

01:53:10.660 --> 01:53:11.660
 I'm sorry, that's my time.

01:53:11.660 --> 01:53:12.660
 That's okay.

01:53:12.660 --> 01:53:13.660
 You can finish up.

01:53:13.660 --> 01:53:14.660
 We're fed up.

01:53:14.660 --> 01:53:16.520
 And then you're bringing something else.

01:53:16.520 --> 01:53:21.240
 Now we'll be dealing with that and we won't get a response when we need it.

01:53:21.240 --> 01:53:22.240
 That's all I have to say.

01:53:22.240 --> 01:53:25.240
 Thank you, Mr. Clark.

01:53:25.240 --> 01:53:36.120
 I'm going to call up another card I have, Cynthia.

01:53:36.120 --> 01:53:46.920
 I'm sorry, Cynthia, I cannot read your last name.

01:53:46.920 --> 01:53:51.160
 Hello, please state your name and address and your time will begin.

01:53:51.160 --> 01:53:52.160
 Hi, everyone.

01:53:52.160 --> 01:53:53.160
 My name is Cynthia Cochran.

01:53:53.160 --> 01:53:54.160
 What else I need?

01:53:54.160 --> 01:53:55.160
 My address?

01:53:55.160 --> 01:53:56.160
 Yes, please.

01:53:56.160 --> 01:54:04.200
 I live at 2420 East McKinney Street, Denton, Texas, 76209.

01:54:04.200 --> 01:54:07.520
 Thank you.

01:54:07.520 --> 01:54:13.480
 I was coming out tonight, I just have a few little things that I would like to say.

01:54:13.480 --> 01:54:21.200
 I hope everybody in here got feelings and everybody's not living in situations that

01:54:21.200 --> 01:54:25.160
 different people lives in, everybody got different living quarters.

01:54:25.160 --> 01:54:36.080
 But first of all, I would just like to say we as Southeast Denton citizens and renters

01:54:36.080 --> 01:54:41.880
 or either home buyers, whatever we are, and we've been in Southeast Denton for quite a

01:54:41.880 --> 01:54:47.600
 long time, we are over packed in Southeast Denton.

01:54:47.600 --> 01:54:52.720
 I don't think it's enough room for us to ride bicycles through these streets over in

01:54:52.720 --> 01:54:54.960
 Southeast Denton.

01:54:54.960 --> 01:55:01.840
 It's like every time something comes up, I tell them when we have our meetings and things

01:55:01.840 --> 01:55:06.960
 that it's Southeast Denton is like we trash cans.

01:55:06.960 --> 01:55:10.640
 Everything that happens, we get trash dumped on top of us.

01:55:10.640 --> 01:55:14.160
 We are so crowded over there right now.

01:55:14.160 --> 01:55:20.000
 And I'm not saying either, I want everybody to have a place to live, and I'm not down

01:55:20.000 --> 01:55:27.900
 in anything, but I just would like to say that's going to be more crime.

01:55:27.900 --> 01:55:31.040
 We don't have no parking spaces.

01:55:31.040 --> 01:55:40.480
 We are just basically overcrowded, but everything always comes back to Southeast Denton.

01:55:40.480 --> 01:55:48.260
 So I'm just kind of figuring is Southeast didn't the only spot that got property or

01:55:48.260 --> 01:55:54.120
 I don't know what's going on in Southeast Denton, but we are crowded and packed.

01:55:54.120 --> 01:56:00.520
 And I would just like to say, I just don't think to me, it would be a good idea for us

01:56:00.520 --> 01:56:07.120
 to get, we already have more houses and stuff over there now that we trying to pose that

01:56:07.120 --> 01:56:10.240
 they bring in to us in Southeast Denton.

01:56:10.240 --> 01:56:14.560
 And with this project, that's going to be an action when added on to it.

01:56:14.560 --> 01:56:19.360
 So like I say, we are packed, we're crowded, after a while we're going to ride bicycles.

01:56:19.360 --> 01:56:21.800
 We barely can get through our streets now.

01:56:21.800 --> 01:56:23.960
 It's just overcrowded and packed.

01:56:23.960 --> 01:56:28.000
 So anyway, I was just here and wanted you all to know this.

01:56:28.000 --> 01:56:31.060
 So thank you for letting me speak.

01:56:31.060 --> 01:56:36.640
 Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

01:56:36.640 --> 01:56:44.920
 Next card I have is Audrey Battle.

01:56:44.920 --> 01:56:49.800
 Hello, you'll say your name and address, your time will begin.

01:56:49.800 --> 01:56:56.720
 I live at 723 Hill Alley, I have been there for over 20 years and I have been a resident

01:56:56.720 --> 01:57:03.240
 of Denton for over 50 years, came from Louisiana and moved here once on my own home.

01:57:03.240 --> 01:57:10.120
 I am here on behalf of my grandkids that's coming up.

01:57:10.120 --> 01:57:15.080
 Southeast Denton has been an area that I have lived on and I'm looking at something right

01:57:15.080 --> 01:57:19.080
 here in Woodrow Lane.

01:57:19.080 --> 01:57:26.200
 And it says it's at 1.365 feet of land.

01:57:26.200 --> 01:57:37.560
 East McKinney coming on Woodrow Lane, bell-bouncing, bell-bouncing, bell-bouncing, then the courthouse.

01:57:37.560 --> 01:57:48.680
 Then when you get south of Woodrow Lane, it's a car lot, then there is business place.

01:57:48.680 --> 01:57:54.200
 But then when you get a little further, they have property and there's an all-well sitting

01:57:54.200 --> 01:58:00.380
 in the field that they dug up back in the early '20s.

01:58:00.380 --> 01:58:08.600
 We have suffered in Southeast Denton, we had one grocery store, Winn-Dixie, they took it

01:58:08.600 --> 01:58:09.600
 from us.

01:58:09.600 --> 01:58:20.520
 Now we have to go east, we have to go north, west, and we have to travel in to go get groceries.

01:58:20.520 --> 01:58:26.780
 Then they rezoned on last year, the year before my granddaughter could ride the bus to get

01:58:26.780 --> 01:58:28.800
 to the school where she was going.

01:58:28.800 --> 01:58:35.080
 But they rezoned it in that area, then all of a sudden when we find out she could not

01:58:35.080 --> 01:58:36.720
 even ride the bus.

01:58:36.720 --> 01:58:42.220
 So when are they going to stop rezoning in our area and move somewhere else?

01:58:42.220 --> 01:58:48.660
 We need affordable houses, we need homes, but who are they for?

01:58:48.660 --> 01:58:52.040
 And who are benefiting from them?

01:58:52.040 --> 01:58:57.240
 The thing it is in Southeast Denton that we need, we don't get it.

01:58:57.240 --> 01:59:00.040
 And that is a grocery store.

01:59:00.040 --> 01:59:07.680
 The old people that cannot drive, they have to get on the bus to get to the grocery store.

01:59:07.680 --> 01:59:11.640
 When are we going to get what we need in our neighborhood?

01:59:11.640 --> 01:59:18.720
 We pay tax, we live in the area, we want to help people, we want to do things.

01:59:18.720 --> 01:59:22.520
 But everything that is affordable is not for us.

01:59:22.520 --> 01:59:29.040
 And everything that is coming in our neighborhood is to benefit someone that don't live there.

01:59:29.040 --> 01:59:35.480
 So when is it going to be the people that have been in those area for all these years

01:59:35.480 --> 01:59:37.400
 is going to benefit?

01:59:37.400 --> 01:59:42.280
 Ms. Bailey is right here, she have to drive or get someone to take her to the grocery

01:59:42.280 --> 01:59:43.280
 store.

01:59:43.280 --> 01:59:45.640
 When is it going to benefit us?

01:59:45.640 --> 01:59:48.780
 The school area is right there.

01:59:48.780 --> 01:59:51.160
 We don't need nothing else.

01:59:51.160 --> 01:59:54.200
 We have the Martin Luther King Salmon.

01:59:54.200 --> 01:59:56.400
 What else is coming in?

01:59:56.400 --> 02:00:00.880
 Do something to benefit the people in the neighborhood.

02:00:00.880 --> 02:00:04.840
 Thank y'all and y'all have a blessed evening.

02:00:04.840 --> 02:00:06.760
 Thank you.

02:00:06.760 --> 02:00:09.440
 Next card I have is Melody Manuel.

02:00:09.440 --> 02:00:17.320
 I'm very new to this, but I heard about this project and I felt like I was supposed to

02:00:17.320 --> 02:00:18.320
 show up.

02:00:18.320 --> 02:00:21.320
 Then the note said that if you write a note, it won't be noted.

02:00:21.320 --> 02:00:22.800
 So here I am.

02:00:22.800 --> 02:00:25.600
 Will you state your name and address for the record, please?

02:00:25.600 --> 02:00:27.360
 My name is Melody Woodson Manuel.

02:00:27.360 --> 02:00:32.800
 I live at 1036 Remy Circle in Denton, 76205.

02:00:32.800 --> 02:00:41.920
 Now my address is about 1300, 1400 feet away from the stop sign that is at Morse and Woodrow.

02:00:41.920 --> 02:00:46.160
 Like these others that have spoken already, can't add too much to what they've said, but

02:00:46.160 --> 02:00:51.880
 from my personal experience, for the last 30 years, well, I should say the last 10,

02:00:51.880 --> 02:00:56.720
 15 years, it's gotten so crowded, you really can't turn left on Woodrow already.

02:00:56.720 --> 02:01:03.760
 So to add 280 something apartments means many more cars, much more traffic, and I also fear

02:01:03.760 --> 02:01:05.880
 more crime.

02:01:05.880 --> 02:01:12.000
 So what I see this doing is overcrowding our area a whole lot more than what it already

02:01:12.000 --> 02:01:14.040
 is.

02:01:14.040 --> 02:01:16.860
 And I agree with the young lady that just spoke.

02:01:16.860 --> 02:01:20.360
 Give us something that's going to really help our neighborhood and not hinder it.

02:01:20.360 --> 02:01:27.000
 And I think that adding more apartments, more people is going to cause more issues.

02:01:27.000 --> 02:01:32.760
 I went through with my kids, my grandkids that I had custody of a few years ago, because

02:01:32.760 --> 02:01:38.120
 of the new apartments on McKinney Street, we got rezoned and instead of going to this

02:01:38.120 --> 02:01:43.640
 school, the school that's in my neighborhood that's a block over, they ended up going to

02:01:43.640 --> 02:01:47.640
 a school that's two miles away, three miles away.

02:01:47.640 --> 02:01:53.320
 And then instead of going to McMath Middle School, they were going to Calhoun, all because

02:01:53.320 --> 02:01:55.120
 of rezoning.

02:01:55.120 --> 02:02:00.200
 If I had lived on Shady Shore, of course, they could have gone to the school they could

02:02:00.200 --> 02:02:02.900
 have walked to, a street over.

02:02:02.900 --> 02:02:08.560
 So these new apartments will cause new zoning because these kids would have to go to school

02:02:08.560 --> 02:02:09.560
 somewhere.

02:02:09.560 --> 02:02:11.560
 You're going to have four and three bedroom apartments there.

02:02:11.560 --> 02:02:14.560
 They're going to have to go to school somewhere.

02:02:14.560 --> 02:02:16.160
 And I agree again with what she said.

02:02:16.160 --> 02:02:19.840
 It's going to be rezoned again and we're going to be pushed further out for more people

02:02:19.840 --> 02:02:21.600
 coming into the neighborhood.

02:02:21.600 --> 02:02:25.560
 Do something to help us and not hurt us.

02:02:25.560 --> 02:02:26.720
 Thanks.

02:02:26.720 --> 02:02:29.000
 Thank you.

02:02:29.000 --> 02:02:33.080
 The next card I have is Collette Johnson.

02:02:33.080 --> 02:02:37.160
 You'll state your name and address for the record.

02:02:37.160 --> 02:02:38.160
 Your time will begin.

02:02:38.160 --> 02:02:39.160
 Hi.

02:02:39.160 --> 02:02:46.080
 My name is Collette Johnson and my address is 327 Rue Street in Texas, 76205.

02:02:46.080 --> 02:02:47.880
 I've lived, well, I don't live there.

02:02:47.880 --> 02:02:52.320
 My parents live there who are still married after 61 years.

02:02:52.320 --> 02:02:53.880
 That's where I grew up there.

02:02:53.880 --> 02:02:57.040
 And I'm here on behalf of the neighborhood group.

02:02:57.040 --> 02:03:00.840
 I am president of the Southeast Indian Neighborhood Association.

02:03:00.840 --> 02:03:05.080
 The association has been in business since 1999.

02:03:05.080 --> 02:03:11.540
 We've had this neighborhood group and no one has contacted me about this project.

02:03:11.540 --> 02:03:14.840
 No one has brought it to the group, nothing.

02:03:14.840 --> 02:03:19.720
 So we are very disappointed because it seems like everything goes over our head and we

02:03:19.720 --> 02:03:22.080
 know nothing about it.

02:03:22.080 --> 02:03:24.840
 And we meet every fourth Monday.

02:03:24.840 --> 02:03:25.840
 Everybody knows that.

02:03:25.840 --> 02:03:27.800
 All you have to do is call MLK.

02:03:27.800 --> 02:03:30.480
 Everyone knows when the neighborhood group meets.

02:03:30.480 --> 02:03:34.700
 We have the MLK center there that has after school programs.

02:03:34.700 --> 02:03:40.080
 So building these apartments just to enforce after school programs, we already have that.

02:03:40.080 --> 02:03:46.280
 So like everyone else is saying, it's just gonna bring more traffic, more cut-throughs

02:03:46.280 --> 02:03:48.340
 through our neighborhood, Morris Street.

02:03:48.340 --> 02:03:52.200
 We already have apartments being built by the cemetery.

02:03:52.200 --> 02:03:57.720
 They should have been widening the cemetery, making more spaces for people because the

02:03:57.720 --> 02:04:01.360
 cemetery, they're just burying people on top of each other.

02:04:01.360 --> 02:04:06.720
 So if you wanna do something, let's make the cemetery bigger, but not more apartments.

02:04:06.720 --> 02:04:08.320
 We already have apartments.

02:04:08.320 --> 02:04:13.760
 We have eight acres where Habitat is building 35 houses in the neighborhood.

02:04:13.760 --> 02:04:19.120
 So we have all this traffic coming along and like everyone says, yes, people need affordable

02:04:19.120 --> 02:04:23.480
 housing, but everything does not have to go in southeast Denton.

02:04:23.480 --> 02:04:26.440
 There are other places to put affordable housing.

02:04:26.440 --> 02:04:27.740
 We already have it.

02:04:27.740 --> 02:04:33.040
 We already have it and it's more other people living in it than people that's been there

02:04:33.040 --> 02:04:34.040
 all their lives.

02:04:34.040 --> 02:04:35.940
 They can't get anything.

02:04:35.940 --> 02:04:42.280
 So we wanna know who is affordable housing for and why does it have to be built in our

02:04:42.280 --> 02:04:43.280
 neighborhood?

02:04:43.280 --> 02:04:44.880
 Like we have everything.

02:04:44.880 --> 02:04:47.140
 Like they said, we need a grocery store.

02:04:47.140 --> 02:04:49.280
 Build a grocery store for us right there.

02:04:49.280 --> 02:04:50.280
 Be perfect.

02:04:50.280 --> 02:04:54.520
 Yes, Kroger is a mile and seven or whatever, but it's busy.

02:04:54.520 --> 02:05:00.800
 So this would be an added addition to the neighborhood that we could look forward to.

02:05:00.800 --> 02:05:05.800
 But like I said, I think I heard them say that they were meeting on June the 27th at

02:05:05.800 --> 02:05:06.800
 six o'clock.

02:05:06.800 --> 02:05:07.800
 That's our meeting date.

02:05:07.800 --> 02:05:10.000
 So I don't know if they're meeting with us.

02:05:10.000 --> 02:05:14.880
 No one's told me or even let me know that there was a meeting going on, but this is

02:05:14.880 --> 02:05:17.640
 our regular meeting Monday at six o'clock.

02:05:17.640 --> 02:05:23.280
 So like I said, it just seems like everything is brought to you guys and pushed forward

02:05:23.280 --> 02:05:25.280
 and we know nothing about it.

02:05:25.280 --> 02:05:29.760
 So I'm proud that everyone came out tonight to speak, to let you know what's really going

02:05:29.760 --> 02:05:30.760
 on.

02:05:30.760 --> 02:05:34.520
 We didn't know this was going on until a couple of days ago.

02:05:34.520 --> 02:05:38.040
 So I've been waiting on a phone call from somebody and I never got it.

02:05:38.040 --> 02:05:42.140
 So we're just here to let you know that we don't want it.

02:05:42.140 --> 02:05:43.320
 We just don't want it.

02:05:43.320 --> 02:05:45.040
 Find somewhere else to build it.

02:05:45.040 --> 02:05:48.880
 We're all for affordable housing, but just find somewhere else to put it.

02:05:48.880 --> 02:05:50.680
 Thank you.

02:05:50.680 --> 02:05:54.280
 I think we have a question for you, Commissioner Pruitt.

02:05:54.280 --> 02:05:55.280
 Thank you, Chair.

02:05:55.280 --> 02:05:56.280
 Ms. Johnson?

02:05:56.280 --> 02:05:57.280
 That's fine.

02:05:57.280 --> 02:05:59.120
 I just have a quick question for you.

02:05:59.120 --> 02:06:03.300
 First of all, thank you for your service and volunteering with the Neighborhood Association

02:06:03.300 --> 02:06:07.020
 and what you do.

02:06:07.020 --> 02:06:12.840
 In trying to understand kind of some of the big concerns, is it your experience that maybe

02:06:12.840 --> 02:06:17.880
 the traffic issues are the most worrisome?

02:06:17.880 --> 02:06:18.880
 Traffic and crime.

02:06:18.880 --> 02:06:19.880
 Okay.

02:06:19.880 --> 02:06:20.880
 Thank you very much.

02:06:20.880 --> 02:06:22.680
 Can I ask a question as well, please?

02:06:22.680 --> 02:06:28.560
 So with this particular tract of land that we're dealing with tonight, which is this

02:06:28.560 --> 02:06:34.280
 almost 12-acre tract off of Woodrow, what would you like to see develop there on those

02:06:34.280 --> 02:06:35.280
 12 acres?

02:06:35.280 --> 02:06:36.280
 First of all, we need a red light.

02:06:36.280 --> 02:06:37.280
 It is zoned.

02:06:37.280 --> 02:06:41.680
 Let me just say there needs to be a red light in Morrison-Woodrow because, like they said,

02:06:41.680 --> 02:06:47.560
 it is way too hard to get off of Morris Street to make a left and when school is going on,

02:06:47.560 --> 02:06:48.560
 it's impossible.

02:06:48.560 --> 02:06:53.560
 I mean, take the time and come out and see and you'll see, we have been fighting for

02:06:53.560 --> 02:06:54.560
 traffic.

02:06:54.560 --> 02:06:55.560
 I understand.

02:06:55.560 --> 02:06:59.040
 We're trying to work with the police to get something done about the cut-throughs.

02:06:59.040 --> 02:07:04.320
 They're cutting through Morris Street to hurry up to get to the mall or to wherever people

02:07:04.320 --> 02:07:08.520
 are going, but like I said, a grocery store would be nice.

02:07:08.520 --> 02:07:10.760
 We just don't need more apartments.

02:07:10.760 --> 02:07:16.680
 They're building apartments by our graveyard and we need the graveyard expanded, but we're

02:07:16.680 --> 02:07:22.400
 getting apartments, so we're already getting apartments and habitat homes, 35 of them on

02:07:22.400 --> 02:07:23.400
 eight acres.

02:07:23.400 --> 02:07:28.040
 Okay, and I understand that you're talking about a much larger area.

02:07:28.040 --> 02:07:29.720
 But just not more apartments.

02:07:29.720 --> 02:07:33.440
 What we're talking about is just this particular piece of property.

02:07:33.440 --> 02:07:35.120
 That's what we're really talking about tonight.

02:07:35.120 --> 02:07:39.680
 That's what we have to deliberate on and make a decision about, is that particular tract

02:07:39.680 --> 02:07:41.080
 of land that we saw up there.

02:07:41.080 --> 02:07:43.080
 Yeah, but you asked what would we like to see?

02:07:43.080 --> 02:07:44.680
 I'd say a grocery store.

02:07:44.680 --> 02:07:45.680
 Okay.

02:07:45.680 --> 02:07:46.680
 A grocery store.

02:07:46.680 --> 02:07:47.680
 Madam Chair.

02:07:47.680 --> 02:07:49.440
 I was about to call on you, Commissioner Dave.

02:07:49.440 --> 02:07:54.760
 Yeah, I was going to say, I think it would be better if you explained to them how it's

02:07:54.760 --> 02:08:00.840
 zoned now and what can be built on that property as it is zoned right now.

02:08:00.840 --> 02:08:01.840
 I think it's an SC.

02:08:01.840 --> 02:08:02.840
 The property is zoned SC.

02:08:02.840 --> 02:08:05.840
 I think if you let them know what can actually be built on an SC, they would get a better

02:08:05.840 --> 02:08:10.280
 understanding and they could tell you actually what they want on that property.

02:08:10.280 --> 02:08:14.680
 And that's fine and it's more of a rhetorical question because we can't force any developer

02:08:14.680 --> 02:08:16.080
 to build anything.

02:08:16.080 --> 02:08:17.080
 Right.

02:08:17.080 --> 02:08:23.160
 It is their land and if it's within the zoning, they can build it.

02:08:23.160 --> 02:08:24.160
 Yes.

02:08:24.160 --> 02:08:27.920
 The way our development code reads is they would like to put multi-family on here.

02:08:27.920 --> 02:08:32.120
 They have to come and get a specific use permit in order to do that.

02:08:32.120 --> 02:08:37.840
 That is the only residential use that can be built on this particular tract of land.

02:08:37.840 --> 02:08:39.280
 It can't be single-family homes.

02:08:39.280 --> 02:08:43.440
 It's not zoned for that.

02:08:43.440 --> 02:08:46.640
 It could be a lot of things in SC.

02:08:46.640 --> 02:08:50.040
 It could be a club, a lodge, a daycare.

02:08:50.040 --> 02:08:56.440
 But again, you have to look at where this 11 and a half acres is too and realistically

02:08:56.440 --> 02:09:00.320
 what is the developer going to come in and put there.

02:09:00.320 --> 02:09:04.240
 That's really what we've got to focus on tonight.

02:09:04.240 --> 02:09:09.000
 Yeah, but when they said something about a clubhouse being built there, all the kids

02:09:09.000 --> 02:09:14.960
 are going to leave MLK Center, which is just a block and walk across Woodrow to a clubhouse

02:09:14.960 --> 02:09:17.880
 when we already have after school situation there.

02:09:17.880 --> 02:09:22.720
 Well, I think it's a clubhouse that's an amenity for the people who live there at the apartment.

02:09:22.720 --> 02:09:26.520
 Children will try to get over there if it's something going on.

02:09:26.520 --> 02:09:32.760
 But like I said, we meet Monday at 6 o'clock, so they're more than welcome to come to our

02:09:32.760 --> 02:09:36.720
 meeting because like I said, no one has reached out to the neighborhood.

02:09:36.720 --> 02:09:38.840
 No one has reached out to the neighborhood.

02:09:38.840 --> 02:09:43.120
 I think that might be their plan, but we'll work to find that as this meeting takes care

02:09:43.120 --> 02:09:44.120
 of it.

02:09:44.120 --> 02:09:45.120
 Okay.

02:09:45.120 --> 02:09:47.200
 I do have some white cards.

02:09:47.200 --> 02:09:52.060
 Catherine Bell, do you want to speak?

02:09:52.060 --> 02:09:53.240
 And you don't have to.

02:09:53.240 --> 02:09:54.480
 Would you like to speak?

02:09:54.480 --> 02:09:55.480
 No.

02:09:55.480 --> 02:09:56.480
 Okay.

02:09:56.480 --> 02:10:00.520
 So Catherine Bell is in opposition of the project.

02:10:00.520 --> 02:10:04.360
 Irene Rogers, I have a card here in opposition.

02:10:04.360 --> 02:10:06.720
 Did you need to speak?

02:10:06.720 --> 02:10:07.720
 Okay.

02:10:07.720 --> 02:10:10.420
 Shirley Matherson is in opposition.

02:10:10.420 --> 02:10:11.920
 Did you wish to speak?

02:10:11.920 --> 02:10:12.920
 Okay.

02:10:12.920 --> 02:10:14.920
 And this is a public hearing.

02:10:14.920 --> 02:10:19.200
 Even if I don't have a card, you are welcome to come to the podium if you have not spoken

02:10:19.200 --> 02:10:24.600
 already and speak to us.

02:10:24.600 --> 02:10:29.160
 Is there anyone who has not spoken who wishes to come?

02:10:29.160 --> 02:10:32.280
 Can we speak again one more time?

02:10:32.280 --> 02:10:33.760
 If we have a question for you.

02:10:33.760 --> 02:10:34.760
 Hang on just a second.

02:10:34.760 --> 02:10:39.600
 Let me see if I've got anyone on the phone line.

02:10:39.600 --> 02:10:40.600
 Okay.

02:10:40.600 --> 02:10:41.860
 I do not.

02:10:41.860 --> 02:10:43.640
 Is there anyone else wishing to speak?

02:10:43.640 --> 02:10:46.640
 I have a question.

02:10:46.640 --> 02:10:49.080
 We talked about 11 acres.

02:10:49.080 --> 02:10:50.080
 Okay.

02:10:50.080 --> 02:10:51.080
 I'm sorry.

02:10:51.080 --> 02:10:52.080
 Here.

02:10:52.080 --> 02:10:53.080
 We'll do it this way.

02:10:53.080 --> 02:10:54.080
 Did you have another question for us?

02:10:54.080 --> 02:10:55.080
 Yes.

02:10:55.080 --> 02:10:56.080
 Yes.

02:10:56.080 --> 02:11:00.640
 The question is, is it just the 11 acres on that particular tract or is that 11 acres

02:11:00.640 --> 02:11:04.480
 part of more acreage in that particular area?

02:11:04.480 --> 02:11:09.840
 We are dealing with an 11-point acre tract of land for this request.

02:11:09.840 --> 02:11:11.840
 So how much is the total?

02:11:11.840 --> 02:11:12.840
 It is the total tract.

02:11:12.840 --> 02:11:13.840
 11.8 acres.

02:11:13.840 --> 02:11:15.840
 For this particular development, right?

02:11:15.840 --> 02:11:16.840
 Correct.

02:11:16.840 --> 02:11:23.340
 But is that not part of a larger acreage in that particular area?

02:11:23.340 --> 02:11:25.880
 There's other undeveloped land in the area.

02:11:25.880 --> 02:11:30.700
 So how many acres is that?

02:11:30.700 --> 02:11:34.160
 If you have that answer, but that's not what we're considering.

02:11:34.160 --> 02:11:35.160
 But go ahead.

02:11:35.160 --> 02:11:40.400
 So and I think maybe some of the confusion might be is as part of Carson's presentation,

02:11:40.400 --> 02:11:46.280
 he showed a graphic that showed this property in context with some other property that he

02:11:46.280 --> 02:11:49.040
 noted as single-family residential.

02:11:49.040 --> 02:11:53.240
 That property, the portion that was shown as single-family residential is not under

02:11:53.240 --> 02:11:57.200
 consideration tonight and is not part of this request.

02:11:57.200 --> 02:12:02.140
 So the commission's ability is limited to, as Commissioner Ellis mentioned, is the subject

02:12:02.140 --> 02:12:03.180
 property tonight.

02:12:03.180 --> 02:12:05.600
 That's the roughly 12-acre tract.

02:12:05.600 --> 02:12:12.640
 So the rest of the area shown on that graphic, nothing has been submitted to us for review

02:12:12.640 --> 02:12:16.440
 or consideration on the rest of that property.

02:12:16.440 --> 02:12:19.240
 It could develop potentially a single-family residential.

02:12:19.240 --> 02:12:24.960
 It could potentially be something else depending upon what the zoning is on the property.

02:12:24.960 --> 02:12:28.920
 But tonight, the commission is limited to the consideration of the multifamily request

02:12:28.920 --> 02:12:32.400
 on the 11.8-acre tract.

02:12:32.400 --> 02:12:35.960
 Thank you.

02:12:35.960 --> 02:12:37.720
 Okay.

02:12:37.720 --> 02:12:41.560
 So is there anyone else wishing to speak who has not spoken?

02:12:41.560 --> 02:12:42.560
 Okay.

02:12:42.560 --> 02:12:48.480
 Seeing none, I will close the public hearing and open the floor for discussion.

02:12:48.480 --> 02:12:49.480
 Commissioner Pruitt?

02:12:49.480 --> 02:12:50.480
 Sorry, Chair.

02:12:50.480 --> 02:12:51.480
 Just a point of clarification.

02:12:51.480 --> 02:12:52.480
 Sure.

02:12:52.480 --> 02:12:57.360
 I'm not certain whether this applies to our body or just council, but I believe some time

02:12:57.360 --> 02:13:03.680
 ago there was an amendment that allowed the applicant to have a rebuttal time and then

02:13:03.680 --> 02:13:09.280
 people in the public hearing who did speak at first be able to have a last word if that

02:13:09.280 --> 02:13:11.760
 rebuttal changes anything they would like to say.

02:13:11.760 --> 02:13:16.000
 But so I guess it's a question to staff of does that apply to us or do we not use those

02:13:16.000 --> 02:13:17.000
 rules of procedure?

02:13:17.000 --> 02:13:21.720
 I'm going to ask for Haley's assistance.

02:13:21.720 --> 02:13:27.760
 We were just looking at this on another project.

02:13:27.760 --> 02:13:34.600
 Yes, it's my understanding as long as the board has not adopted different rules, they

02:13:34.600 --> 02:13:37.840
 follow the council rules of procedure which does allow a two-minute rebuttal for anyone

02:13:37.840 --> 02:13:40.320
 who's spoken.

02:13:40.320 --> 02:13:42.520
 Okay.

02:13:42.520 --> 02:13:54.320
 Then I guess I will invite the applicant up as he did want to say something.

02:13:54.320 --> 02:14:00.520
 Diane Baker, 2233 Holly Hill Lane, Denton, Texas, 76205.

02:14:00.520 --> 02:14:08.240
 I first want to say to the people in that area, I kind of have my heart broken.

02:14:08.240 --> 02:14:16.740
 Bev, myself, Mr. Woodson, we all kind of grew up where you are.

02:14:16.740 --> 02:14:25.280
 People not paying attention to us, taking advantage of us, blah, blah, blah.

02:14:25.280 --> 02:14:27.400
 That's what I meant by that.

02:14:27.400 --> 02:14:33.040
 Ms. Baker, you could stay with the microphone otherwise we're not going to be able to hear.

02:14:33.040 --> 02:14:34.040
 Okay.

02:14:34.040 --> 02:14:35.040
 I'm not being your friend right now.

02:14:35.040 --> 02:14:36.040
 I can tell.

02:14:36.040 --> 02:14:40.960
 I'm sorry, I'm new to this.

02:14:40.960 --> 02:14:47.640
 We studied the district that we were putting this in and we knew that we had too much in

02:14:47.640 --> 02:14:50.640
 that district and that we were overloading the district.

02:14:50.640 --> 02:14:53.280
 We spent a lot of time on it.

02:14:53.280 --> 02:14:59.240
 On the other side, we were caught between that and trying to figure out the housing

02:14:59.240 --> 02:15:00.760
 issue.

02:15:00.760 --> 02:15:06.360
 We felt like that this project could be done a little bit quicker, could help our city

02:15:06.360 --> 02:15:12.640
 and that's why we put that in there, in that area, because normally we try to divide it

02:15:12.640 --> 02:15:18.520
 up and we have many projects going on right now, but I want you to know that we considered

02:15:18.520 --> 02:15:23.760
 much information about putting this in one area, approving it.

02:15:23.760 --> 02:15:28.040
 They presented it, we approved it after much talk about that.

02:15:28.040 --> 02:15:32.080
 It wasn't an easy decision, that's all I want to say.

02:15:32.080 --> 02:15:37.240
 Here we are with needs for housing and over here, I feel like that we're hurting a different

02:15:37.240 --> 02:15:40.840
 group and I'm really sorry for that.

02:15:40.840 --> 02:15:41.940
 I really am.

02:15:41.940 --> 02:15:44.440
 Thank you.

02:15:44.440 --> 02:15:51.080
 Mr. Woodson, yes, I will invite you up.

02:15:51.080 --> 02:15:53.240
 Thanks coach for that.

02:15:53.240 --> 02:15:58.720
 Look, I think the part where I want to get clear is that I know that there's a talk about

02:15:58.720 --> 02:16:02.040
 the June 27th meeting for the neighborhood.

02:16:02.040 --> 02:16:06.720
 We will be there for sure and you're right, with humility, we probably should have reached

02:16:06.720 --> 02:16:12.240
 out early on and had that meeting and that's coming from someone that grew up in the Henson

02:16:12.240 --> 02:16:20.680
 Project on west side of Phoenix, Arizona and a mother who raised four kids by herself.

02:16:20.680 --> 02:16:27.960
 What I appreciate today is hearing from the neighborhood in the sense of thinking about

02:16:27.960 --> 02:16:31.720
 how my mother was a servant in the neighborhood and was part of the church and part of the

02:16:31.720 --> 02:16:37.200
 community and how she probably would have fought too, seriously would have fought in

02:16:37.200 --> 02:16:38.840
 her own way.

02:16:38.840 --> 02:16:45.880
 But I will say this, there's times where we need change and there's time where we need

02:16:45.880 --> 02:16:50.240
 to be motivated by that change and I'm not saying that there needs to be a change in

02:16:50.240 --> 02:16:53.160
 this neighborhood, but I just want to say the resources that we're going to provide

02:16:53.160 --> 02:16:57.600
 for this neighborhood are something that are going to force change and if there's one kid

02:16:57.600 --> 02:17:03.640
 that gets a scholarship, one kid, if there's one kid that makes it with a scholarship and

02:17:03.640 --> 02:17:09.040
 furthers themselves, that's okay because there's a lot of us right now who are parents or grandparents

02:17:09.040 --> 02:17:12.740
 or whatnot and we want the best for our children.

02:17:12.740 --> 02:17:15.000
 That is the reason why we're putting this community up.

02:17:15.000 --> 02:17:20.120
 Because there's a lot of other benefits here and I'll be just frank about it, but at the

02:17:20.120 --> 02:17:28.000
 same time, this is a community that, and I mentioned 15 years, this is a 30-year commitment.

02:17:28.000 --> 02:17:33.260
 This is truly a 30-year commitment and we can't get it done without the community.

02:17:33.260 --> 02:17:36.040
 We can't get it done.

02:17:36.040 --> 02:17:41.840
 So as a man that lived in the projects and a mother that served, this is what we want

02:17:41.840 --> 02:17:45.000
 to provide.

02:17:45.000 --> 02:17:49.600
 We want to provide good and it's our job on June 27th to work as a partnership with the

02:17:49.600 --> 02:17:52.040
 neighborhood to further this mission.

02:17:52.040 --> 02:17:55.020
 So again, 30 years of affordability, we will be there.

02:17:55.020 --> 02:17:57.240
 We understand that there's traffic issues.

02:17:57.240 --> 02:18:03.600
 I don't know how we deal with the traffic issues, I think that's what this group is

02:18:03.600 --> 02:18:10.460
 here for, but I know what we can do within that community and how we can force change.

02:18:10.460 --> 02:18:12.200
 So I wanted to say that and leave that there.

02:18:12.200 --> 02:18:15.640
 June 27th we will be with the community.

02:18:15.640 --> 02:18:16.640
 Thanks again.

02:18:16.640 --> 02:18:20.040
 Thank you, Mr. Woodson.

02:18:20.040 --> 02:18:29.480
 Okay, so I'm going to get back to our floor of discussion.

02:18:29.480 --> 02:18:36.040
 I guess I don't see anyone to speak yet, so I'm going to go ahead and say a few words.

02:18:36.040 --> 02:18:37.260
 First of all, thank you.

02:18:37.260 --> 02:18:39.720
 That is what public hearings are for.

02:18:39.720 --> 02:18:42.720
 That's what they're all about.

02:18:42.720 --> 02:18:54.380
 A lot was said and a lot was said seemingly about the whole area and a lot was said about

02:18:54.380 --> 02:19:03.360
 things that we hear often when we are presented with the decisions that come before us.

02:19:03.360 --> 02:19:04.360
 Grocery stores.

02:19:04.360 --> 02:19:06.900
 Grocery stores are a problem all over.

02:19:06.900 --> 02:19:12.360
 My closest grocery store from where I live in Denton is two and a half miles at least.

02:19:12.360 --> 02:19:16.200
 The two that were on the corner are gone.

02:19:16.200 --> 02:19:22.220
 We heard this on a project that was at the preserve in front of us and they said just

02:19:22.220 --> 02:19:24.920
 bring us a grocery store, bring us a grocery store.

02:19:24.920 --> 02:19:27.280
 Unfortunately, we can't do that.

02:19:27.280 --> 02:19:28.920
 The city can't do that.

02:19:28.920 --> 02:19:36.080
 It's up to the land owner, the developer to come before us with their project.

02:19:36.080 --> 02:19:38.680
 So we can't force them to do a grocery store.

02:19:38.680 --> 02:19:42.640
 But you know what's really great is when the community comes together and speaks about

02:19:42.640 --> 02:19:46.480
 what they need and the more we do that and the more we come together and speak about

02:19:46.480 --> 02:19:52.280
 that, the more they'll hear what is needed and we can hope that they'll come before us

02:19:52.280 --> 02:19:57.280
 and get us that grocery store again and get that neighborhood again.

02:19:57.280 --> 02:19:58.680
 School boundaries.

02:19:58.680 --> 02:20:05.060
 I hear that all the time and I happen to be in residential real estate and have been selling

02:20:05.060 --> 02:20:10.620
 homes all around Denton for the last 20 years and what I always tell clients is school boundaries

02:20:10.620 --> 02:20:15.680
 are always moving because the city grows and then the school boundaries are forced to move.

02:20:15.680 --> 02:20:21.480
 So when yes, unfortunately a child has gone to this school and then the next year things

02:20:21.480 --> 02:20:25.720
 get worked out because new developments have come in or whatever and schools can't accommodate

02:20:25.720 --> 02:20:27.640
 that so the school boundaries move.

02:20:27.640 --> 02:20:36.800
 So yeah, that will always be a thing, especially in our city that is growing so much.

02:20:36.800 --> 02:20:43.800
 And our school district is just forced and tasked with that and it's not meant to make

02:20:43.800 --> 02:20:48.320
 life difficult, it's just meant to balance out the schools and what they can accommodate.

02:20:48.320 --> 02:20:55.800
 So while it feels like it was something that was done bad to us, it is just something that

02:20:55.800 --> 02:21:03.080
 is with a developing city and a school district doing the best they can to accommodate our

02:21:03.080 --> 02:21:06.280
 kids' needs.

02:21:06.280 --> 02:21:15.040
 So with that being said, a lot of things were brought up about Southeast Denton as a whole.

02:21:15.040 --> 02:21:21.200
 Hopefully you know and if you don't, certainly we as a city can come out and share this with

02:21:21.200 --> 02:21:26.800
 you, but a small area plan is being discussed for your area.

02:21:26.800 --> 02:21:31.080
 What that means is it's going to be a plan that is going to be a collective plan that

02:21:31.080 --> 02:21:40.360
 takes neighborhood input and all the stakeholders involved and creates a plan of what a small

02:21:40.360 --> 02:21:42.480
 area of the city should be.

02:21:42.480 --> 02:21:48.920
 Southeast Denton is the number one slot for a small area plan discussion that is being

02:21:48.920 --> 02:21:51.720
 started.

02:21:51.720 --> 02:22:00.360
 That is when a lot of the collective-minded ideas of what you all have talked about, that's

02:22:00.360 --> 02:22:02.760
 where that discussion belongs.

02:22:02.760 --> 02:22:08.840
 When we circle back to the discussion that's before us tonight, we're talking about an

02:22:08.840 --> 02:22:22.800
 11-point-acre tract of land that is being offered to give us in this city a needed housing

02:22:22.800 --> 02:22:27.600
 choice, which is an affordable housing project, which when you look at the presentation and

02:22:27.600 --> 02:22:36.120
 you hear what they have done and you've seen the site plan, seems like a great project

02:22:36.120 --> 02:22:40.400
 and a great need for this piece of land.

02:22:40.400 --> 02:22:49.400
 Where it's located, I don't know what a better use would be that falls into the SC category

02:22:49.400 --> 02:22:54.720
 that would serve the need of the community and possibly send this undeveloped land in

02:22:54.720 --> 02:23:01.460
 the right direction of other needed housing in the area.

02:23:01.460 --> 02:23:05.120
 So with that, I'm going to stop talking because I'm going to give it to another commissioner

02:23:05.120 --> 02:23:06.120
 to have the floor.

02:23:06.120 --> 02:23:07.120
 Commissioner Anderson.

02:23:07.120 --> 02:23:08.120
 Thank you, Chair.

02:23:08.120 --> 02:23:09.120
 I'm not going to be very long-winded.

02:23:09.120 --> 02:23:10.120
 Can't hear you.

02:23:10.120 --> 02:23:11.120
 Is this better?

02:23:11.120 --> 02:23:12.120
 Yep.

02:23:12.120 --> 02:23:13.120
 Okay.

02:23:13.120 --> 02:23:16.120
 I'm not going to be very long-winded.

02:23:16.120 --> 02:23:18.120
 I just want to make a couple of points.

02:23:18.120 --> 02:23:22.840
 I was born and raised here in Denton myself, raised here 54 years.

02:23:22.840 --> 02:23:30.320
 I know that what you're going through, and the thing is we can't really change a lot.

02:23:30.320 --> 02:23:34.040
 Denton's growing and we can't change, we just need to adapt.

02:23:34.040 --> 02:23:41.120
 When I say that, I'm talking about pricing is going, everything's gone up.

02:23:41.120 --> 02:23:45.160
 Fuel, groceries, land especially.

02:23:45.160 --> 02:23:49.520
 You can build more cars, but you can't build more land.

02:23:49.520 --> 02:23:51.720
 So land's a premium right now.

02:23:51.720 --> 02:23:55.320
 And there's not a developer out there right now, I'm going to tell you this honestly,

02:23:55.320 --> 02:24:00.800
 that will spend that much money on an 11-acre track of land and it's going to build houses

02:24:00.800 --> 02:24:03.560
 that they can only sell for $50,000, $60,000.

02:24:03.560 --> 02:24:05.400
 There's not a profit there for them.

02:24:05.400 --> 02:24:07.140
 There's not a builder out there that would do this.

02:24:07.140 --> 02:24:10.360
 They would lose their business.

02:24:10.360 --> 02:24:20.880
 So like Jared just said, for that 11-acre land track, this is going to be a good thing.

02:24:20.880 --> 02:24:26.160
 I know y'all say the grocery store and about 285 cars about traffic, well if you build

02:24:26.160 --> 02:24:29.560
 a grocery store on a corner, you're going to have over 200-something people going to

02:24:29.560 --> 02:24:32.560
 the grocery store that day as well.

02:24:32.560 --> 02:24:35.840
 But I do agree with you that there needs to be a red light at Morris.

02:24:35.840 --> 02:24:36.840
 I work for the county.

02:24:36.840 --> 02:24:44.560
 I drive up and down Morris daily and you cannot turn left off of Morris onto Woodrow.

02:24:44.560 --> 02:24:47.320
 It's hard to go north on Woodrow off of Morris.

02:24:47.320 --> 02:24:53.040
 So that's something that the city would need to look at is putting a red light there.

02:24:53.040 --> 02:24:58.560
 But yes, y'all do need a grocery store closer, but like the chair said, that's a developer's

02:24:58.560 --> 02:24:59.560
 issue.

02:24:59.560 --> 02:25:01.160
 That's not the city's thing.

02:25:01.160 --> 02:25:06.440
 So you might not be on board right now with this project, but I think once it's developed,

02:25:06.440 --> 02:25:08.880
 you're going to see it's a nice project.

02:25:08.880 --> 02:25:15.120
 They're going to give some kids that wouldn't have the opportunity to have a $25,000 scholarship.

02:25:15.120 --> 02:25:19.080
 There's not another development in town that's ever come up to us in front of here and said

02:25:19.080 --> 02:25:23.880
 they're going to give out a scholarship for kids in the neighborhood.

02:25:23.880 --> 02:25:28.880
 So anyways, that's all I have to say, but I think after this is done, you're probably

02:25:28.880 --> 02:25:32.840
 going to appreciate it.

02:25:32.840 --> 02:25:33.840
 Commissioner McDade.

02:25:33.840 --> 02:25:34.840
 Thank you, chair.

02:25:34.840 --> 02:25:40.240
 Yeah, I would just like to thank the community for coming out and just to let you know that

02:25:40.240 --> 02:25:43.280
 this is how things get done.

02:25:43.280 --> 02:25:48.880
 I don't know the outcome of this, but I know in the past, you've been told there's no reason

02:25:48.880 --> 02:25:55.800
 to come up town to get anything done and you were told that by people who represented you

02:25:55.800 --> 02:25:56.800
 in the district.

02:25:56.800 --> 02:25:59.920
 And I'm here to let you know that that's not true.

02:25:59.920 --> 02:26:05.160
 I don't know if it was for political gain or financial gain, but this is how you come

02:26:05.160 --> 02:26:09.840
 up town when you have a problem, it's something coming into your neighborhood that you don't

02:26:09.840 --> 02:26:10.840
 like.

02:26:10.840 --> 02:26:14.840
 This is where you come to work your plan.

02:26:14.840 --> 02:26:17.040
 And I just want to thank you for coming out.

02:26:17.040 --> 02:26:20.800
 I don't know how it's going to turn out, but I want to thank each and every one of you for

02:26:20.800 --> 02:26:27.360
 coming out, not everyone spoke, but just your presence was appreciated.

02:26:27.360 --> 02:26:28.720
 Thank you.

02:26:28.720 --> 02:26:33.700
 And if I could just piggyback on that comment, Commissioner McDade, you are welcome at every

02:26:33.700 --> 02:26:38.480
 planning and zoning commission meeting, every city council meeting about anything, whether

02:26:38.480 --> 02:26:40.400
 it's a public hearing or not.

02:26:40.400 --> 02:26:48.320
 These are public meetings and they are meant for the city as a collective and that's how

02:26:48.320 --> 02:26:53.560
 you stay involved and you stay what's in the know, and it doesn't even have to just be

02:26:53.560 --> 02:26:55.520
 in your backyard.

02:26:55.520 --> 02:27:01.800
 The agenda is always there, you can make public comments on any public hearing item anywhere

02:27:01.800 --> 02:27:08.280
 in our city, and that's how we grow the city the right way, is when we all work together.

02:27:08.280 --> 02:27:11.640
 The city can't just do it, we don't have enough staff to do all that.

02:27:11.640 --> 02:27:17.640
 We volunteers up here, I mean, we do the best that we can and analyze things and all that,

02:27:17.640 --> 02:27:25.080
 but your voice, we need to understand what's happening and it works both ways.

02:27:25.080 --> 02:27:31.480
 You got an input, we've got an output, and together we make the best decisions we possibly

02:27:31.480 --> 02:27:33.400
 can for this city.

02:27:33.400 --> 02:27:34.400
 Commissioner Perut.

02:27:34.400 --> 02:27:35.400
 Thank you, Chair.

02:27:35.400 --> 02:27:38.920
 I just have a couple of questions for staff.

02:27:38.920 --> 02:27:49.600
 First one I guess is a traffic related one, and I'll start by saying I don't believe the

02:27:49.600 --> 02:27:55.120
 trip generation numbers further than I can throw them, so I don't want to get into technical

02:27:55.120 --> 02:27:58.560
 numbers because I'll just lose my patience.

02:27:58.560 --> 02:28:01.720
 But in general, is there a...

02:28:01.720 --> 02:28:09.680
 I think Commissioner Anderson earlier mentioned that a retail type development would see more

02:28:09.680 --> 02:28:15.320
 traffic than an apartment typically.

02:28:15.320 --> 02:28:19.760
 Is that the right way to frame this and about how big is the difference, just roughly?

02:28:19.760 --> 02:28:20.760
 Yeah.

02:28:20.760 --> 02:28:24.320
 Pretendation of transportation planning.

02:28:24.320 --> 02:28:29.360
 I don't have the numbers top of my head, but definitely retail does generate a lot more

02:28:29.360 --> 02:28:36.560
 traffic, especially during the peak hours, just given that the size of the store and

02:28:36.560 --> 02:28:39.600
 the number of people that it does attract.

02:28:39.600 --> 02:28:43.120
 And it's based on surveys of similar uses throughout the nation.

02:28:43.120 --> 02:28:45.200
 It's not just one single store.

02:28:45.200 --> 02:28:46.200
 Yeah.

02:28:46.200 --> 02:28:47.200
 Okay.

02:28:47.200 --> 02:28:48.200
 Thank you.

02:28:48.200 --> 02:28:52.320
 And then just a couple for planning staff.

02:28:52.320 --> 02:28:58.320
 I think especially grocery stores have been mentioned a lot and you don't have that power.

02:28:58.320 --> 02:29:02.120
 Everybody really wants a grocery store that they can walk to 100 feet away from them,

02:29:02.120 --> 02:29:06.680
 doesn't draw any traffic from other shoppers, and has the lowest prices in town.

02:29:06.680 --> 02:29:09.000
 I'm sold, right?

02:29:09.000 --> 02:29:19.920
 In general though, since we can't paint that magic brush, do an increased number of residents

02:29:19.920 --> 02:29:25.640
 with more homes being built make it more or less likely that the free market, private

02:29:25.640 --> 02:29:29.880
 market will come in to invest in a grocery store in the future, given if there's available

02:29:29.880 --> 02:29:30.880
 land.

02:29:30.880 --> 02:29:33.880
 Do you want me to take that or do you want me to...

02:29:33.880 --> 02:29:34.880
 That's a little question.

02:29:34.880 --> 02:29:38.960
 I might look to Tina to answer that question.

02:29:38.960 --> 02:29:47.480
 So yes, if we have additional buying power within the trade area that a business is drawing

02:29:47.480 --> 02:29:52.420
 from, then that is going to help draw that business there.

02:29:52.420 --> 02:29:59.920
 So for the benefit of the audience, businesses are going to have what they call as a trade

02:29:59.920 --> 02:30:05.240
 area, a distance of where they will attract customers from, because there becomes a threshold

02:30:05.240 --> 02:30:10.280
 on how far you're willing to drive someplace presumably to go purchase X, whether that

02:30:10.280 --> 02:30:16.360
 be groceries or products at Home Depot or other similar type of stores to buy clothing,

02:30:16.360 --> 02:30:17.860
 whatever the case may be.

02:30:17.860 --> 02:30:24.040
 But a business has an area that they pull or draw within for their customer base.

02:30:24.040 --> 02:30:29.800
 And so businesses are looking for the buying power within that trade area.

02:30:29.800 --> 02:30:37.200
 So one way to help make an area more attractive for businesses is to have additional residents

02:30:37.200 --> 02:30:39.920
 residing within that area.

02:30:39.920 --> 02:30:46.200
 That is why many times when you see cities grow, the residential development happens first,

02:30:46.200 --> 02:30:50.600
 whether that's in the form of single family, some multi-family, maybe there are some duplexes

02:30:50.600 --> 02:30:53.920
 in there with it, but you always have the housing there first.

02:30:53.920 --> 02:30:55.800
 You never get the business locating first.

02:30:55.800 --> 02:30:59.340
 A business is not going to locate in an area that doesn't have the buying power.

02:30:59.340 --> 02:31:04.200
 They're going to wait for the right population with the buying power to exist before they

02:31:04.200 --> 02:31:05.200
 locate there.

02:31:05.200 --> 02:31:08.920
 So the answer is yes to your question, and that's why.

02:31:08.920 --> 02:31:09.920
 Thank you.

02:31:09.920 --> 02:31:16.540
 And then just one more question, kind of wrapping schools with trails, with future, but not

02:31:16.540 --> 02:31:21.600
 talking about development to the east of here.

02:31:21.600 --> 02:31:27.720
 I believe in our trails plan, there is a trail slated along Pecan Creek that actually crosses

02:31:27.720 --> 02:31:29.080
 underneath Woodrow.

02:31:29.080 --> 02:31:31.360
 Is that correct?

02:31:31.360 --> 02:31:32.360
 You are correct, sir.

02:31:32.360 --> 02:31:33.360
 Okay.

02:31:33.360 --> 02:31:49.560
 I have a slide, let me see if I can ... Let me see if it will ... Ah, there we go.

02:31:49.560 --> 02:31:50.560
 Yes.

02:31:50.560 --> 02:31:55.520
 So in our parks master plan, they did include areas that they were or anticipated trail

02:31:55.520 --> 02:31:57.720
 sections within the city.

02:31:57.720 --> 02:32:01.560
 One of the big pushes is to complete our trail network.

02:32:01.560 --> 02:32:11.220
 As part of that is a proposed, of course it would take surrounding development and a lot

02:32:11.220 --> 02:32:18.480
 of additional planning to get there, but ideally they would like to see a trail along Dutchess,

02:32:18.480 --> 02:32:23.080
 between Dutchess and Shady Oaks within that flood plain area.

02:32:23.080 --> 02:32:28.720
 They are also working on a trail on the west side of town, or I'm sorry, on the west side

02:32:28.720 --> 02:32:35.800
 of Woodrow, connecting those existing parks in an off street trail manner.

02:32:35.800 --> 02:32:36.800
 Sure.

02:32:36.800 --> 02:32:42.800
 Yeah, I guess the reason that I asked that and why I alluded to is connected to the school.

02:32:42.800 --> 02:32:48.400
 I don't know what the procedure between city staff and DISD looks like when they start

02:32:48.400 --> 02:32:53.280
 shuffling boundaries when they have a school that's overcrowding, but I would hope that

02:32:53.280 --> 02:32:58.560
 one of those criteria that they look at is to maximize the number of students who can

02:32:58.560 --> 02:33:02.520
 reasonably walk to that school or ride their bike to that school.

02:33:02.520 --> 02:33:08.680
 Because the last thing any neighborhood wants is a new line of 90 cars lining up every morning

02:33:08.680 --> 02:33:11.720
 at 7.15 and every morning at 3.15.

02:33:11.720 --> 02:33:12.720
 That doesn't help anybody.

02:33:12.720 --> 02:33:17.160
 It doesn't help the people who are walking, your closer neighbors who want to get to the

02:33:17.160 --> 02:33:19.960
 school.

02:33:19.960 --> 02:33:21.640
 I know the answer is we don't know yet.

02:33:21.640 --> 02:33:28.840
 I just want everybody to understand that there is a plan and yeah, so thank you for that.

02:33:28.840 --> 02:33:32.680
 Just a couple final thoughts.

02:33:32.680 --> 02:33:41.120
 It's obvious to me that the history in this area of disinvestment, quite honestly, has

02:33:41.120 --> 02:33:46.520
 made these conversations difficult.

02:33:46.520 --> 02:33:53.240
 I will just say our job here on the board as well as city staff's job who they're working

02:33:53.240 --> 02:34:01.360
 diligently to do is to prove that that trust is now warranted.

02:34:01.360 --> 02:34:07.280
 That means things like lining up these long-term plans to coincide with development that's

02:34:07.280 --> 02:34:14.920
 coming in so that the resulting traffic doesn't materialize like it would otherwise.

02:34:14.920 --> 02:34:21.780
 That includes us considering the alternatives that could happen here by right.

02:34:21.780 --> 02:34:24.240
 It's an SC zoning district.

02:34:24.240 --> 02:34:31.280
 Do we really want to see another class B strip mall with bail bonds places here?

02:34:31.280 --> 02:34:37.720
 How does that help anybody?

02:34:37.720 --> 02:34:44.520
 And lastly, I'll just say I understand the challenge of turning left onto multilane roads.

02:34:44.520 --> 02:34:48.620
 I also understand traffic lights are not a perfect solution because then everybody complains

02:34:48.620 --> 02:34:51.600
 that there's so many traffic lights on this road.

02:34:51.600 --> 02:34:54.960
 I'm not a traffic engineer.

02:34:54.960 --> 02:35:04.400
 With that said, those types of comments are why I prefer multiple smaller roads connected

02:35:04.400 --> 02:35:09.440
 to the surrounding area so that you're not turning across four or six lanes of traffic

02:35:09.440 --> 02:35:12.320
 to get from point A to point B.

02:35:12.320 --> 02:35:16.000
 I think this is a good project, right?

02:35:16.000 --> 02:35:20.320
 Everything is going to have trade-offs, but when I look at what happens if this doesn't

02:35:20.320 --> 02:35:23.280
 go forward, I see housing prices go up.

02:35:23.280 --> 02:35:30.520
 I see either nothing goes there or something that people like even less.

02:35:30.520 --> 02:35:36.840
 And I see an opportunity here, honestly, to establish a new neighborhood that could be

02:35:36.840 --> 02:35:46.080
 more mixed income, could draw some neighborhood services, and could sort of be an example

02:35:46.080 --> 02:35:49.400
 to what we want future neighborhoods in Denton to become.

02:35:49.400 --> 02:35:52.400
 So thank you.

02:35:52.400 --> 02:35:53.400
 Thank you.

02:35:53.400 --> 02:35:54.400
 Commissioner Villarreal.

02:35:54.400 --> 02:35:55.400
 Yeah.

02:35:55.400 --> 02:35:56.400
 Thank you.

02:35:56.400 --> 02:36:00.400
 We have an affordable housing crisis in this country, and we absolutely require the expansion

02:36:00.400 --> 02:36:04.260
 in this regard here in the city of Denton, and I also want to thank the applicant for

02:36:04.260 --> 02:36:06.800
 agreeing to meet with Sedna in the coming days.

02:36:06.800 --> 02:36:10.520
 However, it's apparent over the past two months that the Southeast Denton neighborhood has

02:36:10.520 --> 02:36:13.000
 been ignored during the process.

02:36:13.000 --> 02:36:17.680
 Southeast Denton is a majority black and Latino community that has been neglected, left behind,

02:36:17.680 --> 02:36:21.920
 walked over, and marginalized for the over 100 years it has existed as a neighborhood,

02:36:21.920 --> 02:36:23.600
 and this has to end.

02:36:23.600 --> 02:36:27.160
 This project is going to be a good addition to our city, but I cannot sit here and ignore

02:36:27.160 --> 02:36:29.840
 the countless voices from Southeast Denton.

02:36:29.840 --> 02:36:33.760
 All Dentonites seem to be treated with dignity and respect whether they live in Southridge,

02:36:33.760 --> 02:36:35.520
 Ranch Estates, or Southeast Denton.

02:36:35.520 --> 02:36:39.000
 And if we want to make an effort to reflect other neighborhoods and their concerns when

02:36:39.000 --> 02:36:43.520
 we vote, then we must do the same for the working folks here in this diverse neighborhood.

02:36:43.520 --> 02:36:47.900
 I implore the applicant to take their concerns and questions of Southeast Denton to heart,

02:36:47.900 --> 02:36:51.880
 and I hope you have the opportunity to meet with this community prior to the next council

02:36:51.880 --> 02:36:53.120
 meeting.

02:36:53.120 --> 02:36:57.640
 With the feedback I received from Southeast Denton, I will vote with their voice in mind,

02:36:57.640 --> 02:37:04.760
 and I will once again vote no to this request.

02:37:04.760 --> 02:37:06.760
 Commissioner Pruitt, you're still on the board.

02:37:06.760 --> 02:37:07.760
 Did you?

02:37:07.760 --> 02:37:08.760
 Okay.

02:37:08.760 --> 02:37:09.760
 All right.

02:37:09.760 --> 02:37:11.600
 Thank you.

02:37:11.600 --> 02:37:14.480
 Anyone else wishing to speak this year?

02:37:14.480 --> 02:37:15.480
 Okay.

02:37:15.480 --> 02:37:16.480
 Commissioner Cole.

02:37:16.480 --> 02:37:17.480
 Thank you, Chair.

02:37:17.480 --> 02:37:24.040
 I really appreciate you all coming out.

02:37:24.040 --> 02:37:31.460
 You know, this is, like the Chair said, this is about, this isn't about a whole area.

02:37:31.460 --> 02:37:42.180
 This is about 11 acres, 11.891 acres of land, and what is the best use of that acreage?

02:37:42.180 --> 02:37:53.120
 And something is going to go there, and I don't see another use outside of this.

02:37:53.120 --> 02:38:00.440
 And you know, we all, you know, we all hear, you know, people want to talk to you when

02:38:00.440 --> 02:38:06.560
 they know you're on P&Z, you know, when you're around town, and the first thing they always

02:38:06.560 --> 02:38:11.840
 say is fix the roads, you know, we know that.

02:38:11.840 --> 02:38:19.140
 But the second thing they always say is quit building apartments, okay?

02:38:19.140 --> 02:38:27.600
 If we didn't build apartments, more apartments, apartment rent would be, would just go up

02:38:27.600 --> 02:38:29.660
 and be more unaffordable.

02:38:29.660 --> 02:38:33.080
 It would be higher than a cat's back.

02:38:33.080 --> 02:38:42.780
 And the problem is we got so many people coming to this area, we are at critical state levels

02:38:42.780 --> 02:38:49.200
 of all housing, every category of housing, we don't adequately have.

02:38:49.200 --> 02:38:56.840
 And this is a problem of rampant 20-year growth.

02:38:56.840 --> 02:39:04.680
 And you know, as long as people come here like fire ants, we have to prepare neighborhoods.

02:39:04.680 --> 02:39:07.880
 We got to prepare everything.

02:39:07.880 --> 02:39:15.860
 And you know, I know I originally, I originally voted no on this, but it comes, to me it comes

02:39:15.860 --> 02:39:23.400
 down to this 11.891 acres of land and the best use of this property, and single family

02:39:23.400 --> 02:39:26.580
 homes aren't going to be on this property.

02:39:26.580 --> 02:39:30.800
 This is a good development in my mind.

02:39:30.800 --> 02:39:35.680
 And so I plan on supporting this development.

02:39:35.680 --> 02:39:36.680
 >> Commissioner McDade.

02:39:36.680 --> 02:39:39.440
 >> Thank you, Chair.

02:39:39.440 --> 02:39:48.440
 In all reality, I don't think it's really the 11 acres that concerns the neighborhood.

02:39:48.440 --> 02:39:54.920
 I think they're more concerned is most of the neighborhood, this is the first time they've

02:39:54.920 --> 02:39:57.200
 heard about this project.

02:39:57.200 --> 02:40:02.680
 The applicant said they spoke to the mayor and they spoke to the D-1 rep.

02:40:02.680 --> 02:40:05.080
 I've gone to every set in the meeting.

02:40:05.080 --> 02:40:08.360
 This has not come up one time.

02:40:08.360 --> 02:40:14.440
 I think this is what the issue is with the things that come into District 1 is you have

02:40:14.440 --> 02:40:22.120
 the representation, but they sit on their hands and they do absolutely nothing.

02:40:22.120 --> 02:40:27.220
 And now they have, you know, a couple of days, now they're going to meet with Sedna when

02:40:27.220 --> 02:40:29.800
 the president just said no one called her at all.

02:40:29.800 --> 02:40:34.560
 She didn't know if it was a separate meeting or they were going to be at the Sedna meeting.

02:40:34.560 --> 02:40:39.440
 I think this is where the neighborhood, I mean, I don't know how long this project has

02:40:39.440 --> 02:40:43.820
 been in the works, but had they come two or three months ago when they first started or

02:40:43.820 --> 02:40:49.320
 when they spoke to the mayor or to the D-1 rep and got with the neighborhood, you might

02:40:49.320 --> 02:40:52.520
 have had a better, a different outlook.

02:40:52.520 --> 02:40:58.400
 But to wait until the last minute, and I've talked about it all the time, I mean, to me

02:40:58.400 --> 02:41:04.120
 that's disrespectful, not only on the mayor's part, but on the District 1 rep's part.

02:41:04.120 --> 02:41:08.920
 You're there to represent that district and you say nothing.

02:41:08.920 --> 02:41:14.920
 That old saying is closed mouths don't get fed and we have representatives in that neighborhood

02:41:14.920 --> 02:41:20.840
 who are keeping their mouths closed, whether that's for a political gain or financial gain.

02:41:20.840 --> 02:41:25.320
 And that's what I'm saying right now, that has to stop.

02:41:25.320 --> 02:41:27.200
 They deserve respect.

02:41:27.200 --> 02:41:32.920
 They shouldn't have to beg for it, but it seems like they have to because no one is

02:41:32.920 --> 02:41:37.640
 coming to them and speaking on their behalf about projects that are coming into the neighborhood.

02:41:37.640 --> 02:41:42.040
 Thank you.

02:41:42.040 --> 02:41:45.400
 Senator Cole, you're still on the board, but are you needing to speak anymore?

02:41:45.400 --> 02:41:46.400
 No?

02:41:46.400 --> 02:41:47.400
 Okay.

02:41:47.400 --> 02:41:48.400
 Okay.

02:41:48.400 --> 02:41:52.320
 And so I'll just circle back just with a couple of comments there.

02:41:52.320 --> 02:41:58.560
 So to circle back with what is tasked before us today, which is the request for this specific

02:41:58.560 --> 02:42:02.040
 use permit on this tract of land.

02:42:02.040 --> 02:42:07.720
 I cannot speak to the relationship of the elected officials and this body.

02:42:07.720 --> 02:42:18.560
 We have to make the best decision that we can for this particular applicant's request.

02:42:18.560 --> 02:42:24.040
 They have done and notified who they need to do.

02:42:24.040 --> 02:42:27.600
 We as a city legally have done that.

02:42:27.600 --> 02:42:31.700
 They have reached out with neighborhood meetings.

02:42:31.700 --> 02:42:35.040
 It doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be your neighborhood meeting.

02:42:35.040 --> 02:42:43.040
 If you've had a neighborhood meeting, you can attend any meeting that is held in the

02:42:43.040 --> 02:42:46.920
 public sense.

02:42:46.920 --> 02:42:52.720
 So with that being said, I will open the floor for further discussion or a motion.

02:42:52.720 --> 02:42:53.720
 Commissioner Pruitt.

02:42:53.720 --> 02:42:56.480
 Thank you, Chair.

02:42:56.480 --> 02:43:00.920
 You know, I really appreciate everybody coming out today, and I would echo all the things

02:43:00.920 --> 02:43:03.560
 said about future planning opportunities.

02:43:03.560 --> 02:43:06.200
 I know it's a pain, right?

02:43:06.200 --> 02:43:08.040
 I know you got kids.

02:43:08.040 --> 02:43:09.680
 You got life.

02:43:09.680 --> 02:43:15.760
 You got, you know, you were up late last night doing XYZ because your aunt's kids needed

02:43:15.760 --> 02:43:17.360
 somebody to watch them, et cetera.

02:43:17.360 --> 02:43:20.800
 It's hard, right?

02:43:20.800 --> 02:43:23.100
 But this is what it takes, right?

02:43:23.100 --> 02:43:27.840
 So I would encourage you to stay engaged.

02:43:27.840 --> 02:43:34.000
 I'm going to go ahead and move approval, or sorry, move that we recommend approval of

02:43:34.000 --> 02:43:46.320
 this SUP just with a strong recommendation for staff to look at, you know, ways, whether

02:43:46.320 --> 02:43:52.240
 that's a trail, you know, just pouring a path underneath the bridge.

02:43:52.240 --> 02:43:55.920
 We've already got, you know, desire paths on the west side.

02:43:55.920 --> 02:44:02.420
 If we can get people under that bridge safely, they will make it to school, I promise you.

02:44:02.420 --> 02:44:09.520
 Just a recommendation or a request that staff would look at either that or other solutions

02:44:09.520 --> 02:44:22.560
 to stave off a school lineup of 100 cars once this opens would be my request.

02:44:22.560 --> 02:44:23.560
 Commissioner Cole.

02:44:23.560 --> 02:44:24.560
 Second.

02:44:24.560 --> 02:44:25.560
 Okay.

02:44:25.560 --> 02:44:29.680
 So we've got a first and a second for approval of this specific use permit.

02:44:29.680 --> 02:44:33.640
 Is there any discussion?

02:44:33.640 --> 02:44:37.040
 So I'll just say final word, thank you again for sharing your thoughts.

02:44:37.040 --> 02:44:41.880
 However, this turns out we are a recommending body to City Council.

02:44:41.880 --> 02:44:45.440
 This will go to City Council for a final vote.

02:44:45.440 --> 02:44:47.100
 Your voice is important there, too.

02:44:47.100 --> 02:44:48.920
 Your voice is always important.

02:44:48.920 --> 02:44:50.440
 And it is hard to stay involved.

02:44:50.440 --> 02:44:57.300
 It's hard to fit that into our busy lives, but it really is what takes to run the city

02:44:57.300 --> 02:44:59.280
 for all of us.

02:44:59.280 --> 02:45:05.540
 Unfortunately, we can't fix with the request that's before us a lot of the problems that

02:45:05.540 --> 02:45:07.200
 you brought forth.

02:45:07.200 --> 02:45:12.980
 And that does not invalidate those problems and those concerns.

02:45:12.980 --> 02:45:22.080
 They are heard, but again, what we're tasked with is not going to fix those problems.

02:45:22.080 --> 02:45:26.560
 But we should still keep talking about those problems and figuring out how we can fix them.

02:45:26.560 --> 02:45:33.000
 Right now, we've got to vote for this applicant's request for this specific use permit.

02:45:33.000 --> 02:45:35.520
 And that's what we're going to do right now.

02:45:35.520 --> 02:45:42.560
 And then whatever that decision is, that will move to City Council for a final decision.

02:45:42.560 --> 02:45:48.480
 So with that, yes, Tina.

02:45:48.480 --> 02:45:51.520
 If I can make one request before the commission votes.

02:45:51.520 --> 02:45:55.980
 So you've heard from the commission numerous times about how they appreciate the community

02:45:55.980 --> 02:45:58.480
 coming and addressing them this evening.

02:45:58.480 --> 02:46:02.560
 There's been comments made regarding the area plan work that we are going to be initiating

02:46:02.560 --> 02:46:06.480
 and in starting within the Southeast Denton neighborhood.

02:46:06.480 --> 02:46:12.480
 One of our challenges is finding folks like yourself who are engaged in your neighborhood

02:46:12.480 --> 02:46:15.600
 and we need your contact information.

02:46:15.600 --> 02:46:21.240
 We would like for you to be part of this area plan work that we will be doing because it

02:46:21.240 --> 02:46:28.200
 helps us with setting a path for the future based upon your feedback and what you are

02:46:28.200 --> 02:46:31.060
 interested in having for your community.

02:46:31.060 --> 02:46:35.680
 So I would welcome the opportunity to receive your contact information.

02:46:35.680 --> 02:46:39.920
 You know, I know I have names and addresses on these cards, but really what I would love

02:46:39.920 --> 02:46:44.880
 to get -- what I would love to have my team from you is if there are phone numbers or

02:46:44.880 --> 02:46:50.080
 email addresses that we can follow up with you, regardless of what happens on this project.

02:46:50.080 --> 02:46:56.040
 But so that we can get your contact information and be able to invite you for when we start

02:46:56.040 --> 02:46:59.040
 working on this area plan.

02:46:59.040 --> 02:47:08.400
 This area plan allows us to be able to study the neighborhood further and be able to identify

02:47:08.400 --> 02:47:13.940
 what areas of change you want to have occur, what areas you want to have protected occur.

02:47:13.940 --> 02:47:17.520
 But the gentleman who just walked out the door, that's Scott McDonald.

02:47:17.520 --> 02:47:20.240
 He is our Director of Development Services.

02:47:20.240 --> 02:47:24.440
 I would welcome -- if you could please share your contact information with him or anybody

02:47:24.440 --> 02:47:27.960
 else on our planning team, we would love to have your information.

02:47:27.960 --> 02:47:33.480
 This project will start later this year, but one of the necessary components of that project

02:47:33.480 --> 02:47:39.240
 is to be able to have resident input, and this project is going to take some time.

02:47:39.240 --> 02:47:42.640
 So I will ask you to be engaged throughout that entire project.

02:47:42.640 --> 02:47:48.280
 But I just want to put that plug in because it's a very important project for your neighborhoods,

02:47:48.280 --> 02:47:51.760
 and regardless of the outcome that takes place with this zoning case -- or excuse me, with

02:47:51.760 --> 02:47:53.440
 this specific use permit request.

02:47:53.440 --> 02:47:55.400
 So thank you for that opportunity.

02:47:55.400 --> 02:48:02.720
 >> Thank you, and right before we vote, when is this going to council?

02:48:02.720 --> 02:48:09.700
 So it will go to council on this next Tuesday, the 28th of June.

02:48:09.700 --> 02:48:10.700
 Okay.

02:48:10.700 --> 02:48:11.700
 >> Yes.

02:48:11.700 --> 02:48:12.700
 >> Yes.

02:48:12.700 --> 02:48:13.700
 >> Okay.

02:48:13.700 --> 02:48:19.920
 With that, let's go ahead -- oh.

02:48:19.920 --> 02:48:26.840
 Let's go ahead and vote on the board.

02:48:26.840 --> 02:48:32.760
 Okay.

02:48:32.760 --> 02:48:36.800
 That motion carries for two.

02:48:36.800 --> 02:48:42.600
 Move that on to council on Tuesday.

02:48:42.600 --> 02:48:47.240
 Why don't we take a quick break, and we'll let chambers clear for a moment.

02:48:47.240 --> 02:48:48.240
 It's 820.

02:48:48.240 --> 02:48:55.960
 We will adjourn for five minutes.

02:48:55.960 --> 02:48:56.960
 Thank you.

02:48:56.960 --> 02:49:01.920
 I will call us back to order at 825, and we will get back to finalizing the agenda for

02:49:01.920 --> 02:49:02.920
 tonight.

02:49:02.920 --> 02:49:08.160
 We are on 5B, which we are taking no action on because the applicant has requested to

02:49:08.160 --> 02:49:12.920
 postpone the item to a future planning and zoning meeting, and that will be renoticed

02:49:12.920 --> 02:49:16.860
 at an upcoming meeting.

02:49:16.860 --> 02:49:24.840
 Moving us to our public hearing 5C, DCA 220002, I'll invite Haley up for presentation and

02:49:24.840 --> 02:49:27.040
 open the public hearing.

02:49:27.040 --> 02:49:30.320
 >> Good evening.

02:49:30.320 --> 02:49:34.000
 All right.

02:49:34.000 --> 02:49:40.320
 Good evening, Haley Zagorski, assistant planning director.

02:49:40.320 --> 02:49:44.400
 The item before you this evening is a Denton development code amendment for amendments

02:49:44.400 --> 02:49:48.320
 to subchapter two, which are the procedures within the code.

02:49:48.320 --> 02:49:50.640
 So, just a quick recap.

02:49:50.640 --> 02:49:55.400
 We did discuss this at your work session, but just so it's on the record for this evening.

02:49:55.400 --> 02:50:00.000
 These code amendments are coming forward this evening in response to our comprehensive code

02:50:00.000 --> 02:50:06.200
 update in 2019, after which we had several state law changes, some procedures that we

02:50:06.200 --> 02:50:11.960
 noticed were either inconsistent or inadvertently left out of the code, and as we're doing with

02:50:11.960 --> 02:50:15.320
 a series of code amendments that are going before the code review committee, we're working

02:50:15.320 --> 02:50:19.920
 our way through those changes that we've identified that we need to the code.

02:50:19.920 --> 02:50:24.280
 The code amendment process was started soon after the code was adopted and then put on

02:50:24.280 --> 02:50:31.920
 hold during the oddities that we went through with COVID in 2020, but we did regroup last

02:50:31.920 --> 02:50:37.120
 year, and as I believe as recently as November of 2021, this particular set of code amendments

02:50:37.120 --> 02:50:41.040
 was brought before our code review committee to confirm that they were still on board with

02:50:41.040 --> 02:50:45.240
 what had previously been presented, and they did recommend that this move forward to P&Z

02:50:45.240 --> 02:50:49.360
 and council for formal consideration.

02:50:49.360 --> 02:50:52.920
 So as we did in work session, I'll just run through the highlights of what the code amendments

02:50:52.920 --> 02:50:55.240
 encompass because it is a very lengthy document.

02:50:55.240 --> 02:50:59.760
 I think it's over 100 pages with subchapter two that's redlined in the backup, so I'm

02:50:59.760 --> 02:51:04.360
 happy to pull that up if we need to look at anything in detail, but just some of the highlights.

02:51:04.360 --> 02:51:08.560
 We are making a variety of updates to the summary table at the beginning of subchapter

02:51:08.560 --> 02:51:13.520
 two that outlines all of our procedures and generally who reviews and approves those documents.

02:51:13.520 --> 02:51:17.600
 So we're making sure every application type that you could apply for in the city of Denton

02:51:17.600 --> 02:51:21.280
 in terms of projects is now listed in that table because several were left out that are

02:51:21.280 --> 02:51:25.960
 very common procedures like civil engineering plans and traffic impact analysis.

02:51:25.960 --> 02:51:28.840
 So all of those will be added back into the table.

02:51:28.840 --> 02:51:33.320
 We are working through a variety of other things.

02:51:33.320 --> 02:51:35.600
 Some of the bigger items would be the operational procedures.

02:51:35.600 --> 02:51:39.720
 So the P&Z and Zoning Board of Adjustment, for example, had very specific procedures

02:51:39.720 --> 02:51:41.520
 in our 2002 code.

02:51:41.520 --> 02:51:44.700
 Those were left out of this code with the intent that the code of ordinances would take

02:51:44.700 --> 02:51:48.800
 some of those in, but since that has not occurred and we've determined that it is a better,

02:51:48.800 --> 02:51:51.640
 more logical place for those to be within the Denton Development Code, we're adding

02:51:51.640 --> 02:51:53.400
 those back in.

02:51:53.400 --> 02:51:57.320
 Some of those specifically with ZBA, you'll see some changes to their procedures in response

02:51:57.320 --> 02:52:00.800
 to recent state law updates.

02:52:00.800 --> 02:52:06.480
 Throughout the subchapter, we're making changes, little things like changing one of the criteria

02:52:06.480 --> 02:52:11.360
 manuals to be an administrative development handbook so that that is a more regularly

02:52:11.360 --> 02:52:15.600
 updated document, but it's also consistently referenced in the code and on our website.

02:52:15.600 --> 02:52:17.280
 The same thing with the city's fee schedule.

02:52:17.280 --> 02:52:21.880
 We're making project names aligned so that those documents read consistently.

02:52:21.880 --> 02:52:24.240
 We are updating the subdivision procedures.

02:52:24.240 --> 02:52:28.840
 You'll notice if you look through there, a lot of changes to platting procedures to reflect

02:52:28.840 --> 02:52:32.880
 the Shot Clock legislation, as well as some changes to notification requirements for replats

02:52:32.880 --> 02:52:35.600
 that changed in state law.

02:52:35.600 --> 02:52:40.560
 Similarly, with subdivision variances, that's an important procedure that we're adding back

02:52:40.560 --> 02:52:41.560
 into the code.

02:52:41.560 --> 02:52:45.120
 The variance you saw this evening, we were saved by the fact that our transportation

02:52:45.120 --> 02:52:48.760
 criteria manual specifically says driveway variances go to P and Z.

02:52:48.760 --> 02:52:51.880
 Otherwise, we're missing a procedure for that, so we actually have some replats right now

02:52:51.880 --> 02:52:56.240
 that are on hold pending us adding this procedure back in so that they can seek variances for

02:52:56.240 --> 02:52:59.600
 relief from some of our subdivision requirements.

02:52:59.600 --> 02:53:04.920
 Some of the other things that you'll find in this document are just expanding procedures

02:53:04.920 --> 02:53:05.920
 for annexation.

02:53:05.920 --> 02:53:08.480
 For example, if you look in the code right now, there are two sentences and it says it

02:53:08.480 --> 02:53:11.160
 follows state law, and that's all you get from it.

02:53:11.160 --> 02:53:14.120
 We're actually adding back in the detailed procedure so that people have one place to

02:53:14.120 --> 02:53:17.560
 go to find out what that application is going to look like and what that timeline would

02:53:17.560 --> 02:53:18.560
 be.

02:53:18.560 --> 02:53:22.240
 Then, as I mentioned several times, just making sure we have that consistency with state law

02:53:22.240 --> 02:53:26.160
 and making it a more comprehensive document where you really can find all of our processes

02:53:26.160 --> 02:53:28.300
 in one place.

02:53:28.300 --> 02:53:32.640
 With that, I will close the presentation, but I'm happy to pull that document up if we need

02:53:32.640 --> 02:53:36.320
 to look at anything in particular, or if you have questions, I'm happy to try to answer

02:53:36.320 --> 02:53:39.320
 those this evening.

02:53:39.320 --> 02:53:45.200
 I do not see that.

02:53:45.200 --> 02:53:46.200
 The backup was very-

02:53:46.200 --> 02:53:47.200
 It's a riveting topic, I know.

02:53:47.200 --> 02:53:51.520
 Well, no, but you did a fabulous job in presenting.

02:53:51.520 --> 02:53:52.520
 Whoever put the backup material together-

02:53:52.520 --> 02:53:53.520
 That was all wrong.

02:53:53.520 --> 02:53:56.360
 We have to give you the full credit for managing this process.

02:53:56.360 --> 02:53:59.000
 It was very well organized and easy to see.

02:53:59.000 --> 02:54:02.160
 Being on the DCRC, I remember all of this discussion.

02:54:02.160 --> 02:54:03.160
 Yes.

02:54:03.160 --> 02:54:04.160
 Thank you all.

02:54:04.160 --> 02:54:06.200
 Thank you, Haley.

02:54:06.200 --> 02:54:07.200
 Okay.

02:54:07.200 --> 02:54:10.480
 Is there discussion amongst the board?

02:54:10.480 --> 02:54:13.720
 Chair can entertain a motion or further discussion.

02:54:13.720 --> 02:54:15.000
 Commissioner Villarreal.

02:54:15.000 --> 02:54:17.280
 I move to approve the recommendation to city council.

02:54:17.280 --> 02:54:18.840
 It is a public hearing.

02:54:18.840 --> 02:54:19.840
 Hang on there.

02:54:19.840 --> 02:54:23.000
 I forgot because there's no one in front of me, and I'm so sorry and there's no one on

02:54:23.000 --> 02:54:24.000
 the phone.

02:54:24.000 --> 02:54:25.000
 It is a public hearing.

02:54:25.000 --> 02:54:27.720
 I do not have any cards in front of me.

02:54:27.720 --> 02:54:33.120
 I do not have anyone on the phones, and I don't have any people in front of me in City

02:54:33.120 --> 02:54:34.120
 Hall.

02:54:34.120 --> 02:54:38.980
 So I'm going to close the public hearing, and now Commissioner Villarreal.

02:54:38.980 --> 02:54:45.600
 I move to approve the recommendation to city council.

02:54:45.600 --> 02:54:46.600
 Commissioner Pruitt.

02:54:46.600 --> 02:54:50.400
 I will second, and just thank staff for all of this work.

02:54:50.400 --> 02:54:56.280
 I'm especially pleased to see that as we look through these revisions, we don't just gradually

02:54:56.280 --> 02:55:01.120
 add more and more complexity, but we look at opportunities to simplify and clarify so

02:55:01.120 --> 02:55:02.920
 that we don't create spaghetti.

02:55:02.920 --> 02:55:04.960
 So thank you for that.

02:55:04.960 --> 02:55:07.720
 And I will echo all of that.

02:55:07.720 --> 02:55:11.360
 It's nice to be able to do these amendments when we see that they're needed and they're

02:55:11.360 --> 02:55:18.360
 vetted in a great way through the committee and great work by staff, for sure.

02:55:18.360 --> 02:55:26.200
 Let's call for a vote on the board, please.

02:55:26.200 --> 02:55:28.320
 That motion carries 6-0.

02:55:28.320 --> 02:55:32.560
 That will take us to our Planning and Zoning Commission matrix, and I will give the floor

02:55:32.560 --> 02:55:35.140
 to Tina.

02:55:35.140 --> 02:55:36.280
 Thank you, Chairman Dulles.

02:55:36.280 --> 02:55:42.520
 So nothing to report from city council in terms of development action.

02:55:42.520 --> 02:55:46.440
 As it relates to the matrices, I made a couple of tweaks on this.

02:55:46.440 --> 02:55:50.280
 We had some June references; unfortunately, we were not able to get the items accomplished

02:55:50.280 --> 02:55:51.600
 this month.

02:55:51.600 --> 02:55:56.280
 So you'll see information regarding history and attentive strip annexations, the fiscal

02:55:56.280 --> 02:56:03.360
 analysis tool, and I believe I tweaked the item that's requested work session discussion

02:56:03.360 --> 02:56:07.560
 about the impacts to city plans and growth by a potential House bill related to disannexation

02:56:07.560 --> 02:56:08.560
 processes.

02:56:08.560 --> 02:56:12.640
 So I changed those from June to summer, so we'll do our best to get those all addressed

02:56:12.640 --> 02:56:13.920
 this summer for the commission.

02:56:13.920 --> 02:56:16.680
 But otherwise, there was nothing additional added to the matrix.

02:56:16.680 --> 02:56:17.680
 Okay.

02:56:17.680 --> 02:56:18.680
 Thank you.

02:56:18.680 --> 02:56:19.680
 Great.

02:56:19.680 --> 02:56:24.840
 Is there anything to add to the matrix from the commission tonight?

02:56:24.840 --> 02:56:27.380
 Concluding items, Commissioner Pruitt.

02:56:27.380 --> 02:56:28.380
 Thank you, Chair.

02:56:28.380 --> 02:56:31.400
 This may be just more of a general question to staff.

02:56:31.400 --> 02:56:38.240
 I think during the presentation earlier, it was mentioned the 200- and 500-foot boundaries,

02:56:38.240 --> 02:56:47.520
 and it was mentioned that the 500-foot courtesy postcards go to the owners and residents.

02:56:47.520 --> 02:56:52.600
 Was that the actual what happens as far as it gets mailed to residents, even who are

02:56:52.600 --> 02:56:55.040
 renters, or does it only get mailed to owners?

02:56:55.040 --> 02:57:00.600
 I'm going to ask Haley for assistance, so I don't mess this up in case I misspoke earlier.

02:57:00.600 --> 02:57:02.720
 I think it's the address on the text.

02:57:02.720 --> 02:57:03.720
 Yes.

02:57:03.720 --> 02:57:07.600
 So the 500-foot postcard is actually sent to all of the utility addresses that we have

02:57:07.600 --> 02:57:08.600
 within 500 feet.

02:57:08.600 --> 02:57:13.440
 So it goes to renters at apartments, or anyone that has a utility with the City of Denton

02:57:13.440 --> 02:57:14.440
 would get that postcard.

02:57:14.440 --> 02:57:15.440
 Okay.

02:57:15.440 --> 02:57:16.440
 Thank you.

02:57:16.440 --> 02:57:17.920
 And then- And I guess, and to that point, and the reason

02:57:17.920 --> 02:57:22.960
 why we send it to folks that have the utility address is because we recognize that there

02:57:22.960 --> 02:57:29.000
 may be some folks who reside within the place of residence, but they may not be the owner.

02:57:29.000 --> 02:57:35.640
 And so, because state law requires us to notify property owners within 200 feet based upon

02:57:35.640 --> 02:57:37.040
 the latest adopted tax rules.

02:57:37.040 --> 02:57:38.040
 Okay.

02:57:38.040 --> 02:57:39.040
 Thank you.

02:57:39.040 --> 02:57:40.040
 That's great.

02:57:40.040 --> 02:57:46.040
 And if I'm just not remembering a previous report, please slap my hand afterwards.

02:57:46.040 --> 02:57:56.640
 But I recall we had a work session discussion before about the voluntary notification procedure

02:57:56.640 --> 02:58:00.320
 and that sort of thing, and there was a work session for council scheduled for that.

02:58:00.320 --> 02:58:04.080
 Has that work session taken place, and was there any direction that came out of that?

02:58:04.080 --> 02:58:08.240
 So that was the computer system, or folks being able to opt in.

02:58:08.240 --> 02:58:10.280
 So we did receive direction from council.

02:58:10.280 --> 02:58:13.960
 I believe we were starting with items that PNZ and council would have deliberation on,

02:58:13.960 --> 02:58:20.440
 like the public hearing items, and then eventually the goal from council was to be able to expand

02:58:20.440 --> 02:58:22.240
 that notification.

02:58:22.240 --> 02:58:27.000
 And I know, gosh, Charlie had been working on that with Cody.

02:58:27.000 --> 02:58:31.120
 I'd have to follow up with you to, unless you know any additional updates, but I haven't

02:58:31.120 --> 02:58:32.120
 seen anything on that lately.

02:58:32.120 --> 02:58:35.720
 No, I believe they're still working through the technical process of getting that rolled

02:58:35.720 --> 02:58:39.960
 out, but we can certainly come follow up with a more up-to-date notification.

02:58:39.960 --> 02:58:40.960
 Sounds great.

02:58:40.960 --> 02:58:41.960
 Thank you.

02:58:41.960 --> 02:58:42.960
 Okay.

02:58:42.960 --> 02:58:43.960
 Thank you.

02:58:43.960 --> 02:58:44.960
 Any other concluding items?

02:58:44.960 --> 02:58:45.960
 All right.

02:58:45.960 --> 02:58:52.360
 Thank you all for your time, and your input, and your thoughts, and hard work, everybody.

02:58:52.360 --> 02:58:55.520
 I will adjourn us at 8.35 PM.