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 >> Good afternoon and welcome to the City of Denton's planning and zoning commission

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 meeting for Wednesday, June 22, 2022.

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 This is our work session and with a quorum present, I will call us to order at 5.01 p.m.

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 Let the record show that Commissioner Smith and Commissioner Anderson are not currently

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 Work session report is our first item on the agenda and it's a receiver report.

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 The discussion gives staff direction regarding vision zero.

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 Hi, Preetam, how are you?

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 >> Good.

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 Can you hear me?

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 Good afternoon.

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 Preetam Deshbhuk, transportation planning and I am -- give me a quick second.

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 Hopefully have it up here.

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 And I'll be presenting and giving you an update about vision zero.

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 What's happening with vision zero?

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 Where are we?

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 We started this conversation a while ago late last year and get right to it.

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 Before I jump to vision zero, just want to give a little bit of background of what we're

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 doing.

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 We're not just waiting and building a plan or working on a vision zero plan, but there

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 are quite a few things that we're working towards safety within the city and part of

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 that as I've listed here is the citywide speed study is currently underway.

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 We're collecting information, collecting data along arterials, collectors, a lot of streets

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 within the city.

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 So that study will inform us of what speeds we can set on some of these roadways, how

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 we can make them safer, if there's any speed reduction or any other things that can be

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 done and will be as part of that citywide speed study.

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 The second important thing that we're doing is we're actually going out and requesting

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 funding.

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 We've been requesting funding from the state, from TechStat for the last three years.

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 Every year there is a new round of funding that goes out and it's under the highway safety

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 improvement program and we've requested funding.

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 We've received funding for two rounds, the third round still pending.

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 We haven't heard back, but within those two rounds there are several intersections that

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 we're updating as far as safety is concerned.

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 We're putting in new equipment, we're adding in turning signals, improving lane configuration,

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 so on and so forth.

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 So that's part of that highway safety improvement program.

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 So we're requesting and getting external funding.

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 The third thing we're doing is coordination.

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 As you know, people, if signals are not coordinated, you get on a larger corridor like University

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 Drive and so on and so forth.

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 You're stuck at two signal, third signal, people start getting frustrated and anxious.

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 So one of the things we're doing is making it much more smoother so that their experience

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 is not that frustrating and that really helps with driver behavior, helps with the frustration.

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 So that's another thing as far as safety is concerned, last but not least, we're trying

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 to improve the environment or the infrastructure that's being built and the fastest and easiest

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 way for us to do that is any new development that goes in uses our transportation criteria

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 manuals.

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 All our manuals are our standard details.

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 We update them annually, and based on new safety goals, I'll talk about those in a bit,

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 we are updating our manual and making sure that we add some of the safety elements that

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 are required within the city.

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 So when a new development goes in, they are implementing some of that.

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 So this is the background stuff we're working on.

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 And then let's jump into exactly what we've done about Vision Zero.

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 So the first thing, earlier this year in March, the council adopted the mobility plan.

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 And as you can see on the right side, the first goal, this was one of the many goals

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 that we have within the mobility plan, but council realized and recognized that safety

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 is really important.

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 So they actually pulled this particular goal to number one, and we made some modifications

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 to the language.

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 But we understand that safety is first, and as you can see, our first goal says, develop

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 and implement a Vision Zero plan.

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 So yes, we've adopted these goals, and we're going to start working towards implementing

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 some of these goals and objectives and strategies pretty shortly.

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 What we're doing next is we're taking a phased approach, and I'll explain why we're going

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 with a phased approach in a couple slides, but we're taking a phased approach to implementing

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 The first step is doing a Vision Zero assessment, that's phase one.

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 And then phase two is actually developing a Vision Zero plan.

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 And then third will be implementation and monitoring, which is an ongoing process that

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 So as far as the phases are concerned, we're already in phase one.

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 We have started the assessment piece for Vision Zero, and we've initiated, we've engaged a

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 consulting firm, and we have also engaged stakeholders.

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 We've created a stakeholder group.

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 We have a large stakeholder group, about 30-plus members, and we also hosted a webinar recently,

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 this was back in May, and provided information about Vision Zero.

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 Now we're actually going through the second step, which is collecting survey information.

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 We're surveying all our stakeholders, getting feedback from them.

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 And I'll get into the details of what exactly steps we're doing in the assessment a little

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 bit later, but we already completed that work.

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 So what is Vision Zero?

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 I want to take a step back and have you understand.

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 So it was an idea that started back in 1997 in Sweden, and slowly and steadily it has

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 A lot of the countries, as well as many cities in the U.S., have started adopting that idea.

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 The basic concept is from an ethical standpoint, there shouldn't be any, we shouldn't allow

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 any fatalities or long-term injuries within our traffic system, or due to a traffic accident.

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 So that's the main concept.

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 Now how do we get to that, how do we start implementing?

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 So if you look at this upper corner, you can see that traditionally the approach had been,

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 hey, the debts are inevitable.

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 We have to change that thinking.

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 We have to change that perception.

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 We have to say debts are preventable, and there are various ways of getting there.

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 Originally it was all the transportation infrastructure designed for a perfect human behavior.

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 There was no leeway for, hey, humans are going to make mistakes, so we are going to integrate

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 that into our infrastructure, into our designing, even into our summer for vehicles.

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 So smart vehicles and learning vehicles, all these concepts are getting slowly involved.

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 And then so on and so forth.

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 We're trying to modify our traditional approach to a Vision Zero approach.

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 And there are several layers.

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 So how do we get there?

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 Because it's a interdisciplinary, multilevel approach to road safety, when I say multilevel,

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 you start from the driver behavior.

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 There's changes to driver behavior that are required.

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 You move on to roadways or the physical infrastructure that's out there, change the design for that.

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 You get into policies and law and all of those things.

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 We have to change those in order for that to be more effective.

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 And then, of course, I talked about vehicle improvements and performance improvements

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 And last but not least, once an accident happens or an incident happens, how do we manage that?

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 How do we have emergency vehicles at site a little bit quicker?

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 What do we do when we get there?

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 How do we save lives quickly?

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 So it's a multilayer approach.

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 It's not just, oh, we have to fix it.

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 We have to design a roadway a certain way.

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 And that's going to help us achieve a Vision Zero.

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 No, it's a multilevel, multifaceted approach.

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 So now we're talking about Vision Zero assessment.

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 Why did we go through an assessment phase and not directly jump into Vision Zero plan?

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 What we've noticed, there's a lot of cities throughout U.S. have adopted Vision Zero.

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 They have plans and they have adopted ordinances.

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 But what we're noticing is that the data, the number of fatalities, the number of accidents

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 that are happening is not moving in the right direction.

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 It is, in fact, increasing.

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 In the last couple of years, some of the fatality numbers have increased for some of these jurisdictions

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 that have already approved Vision Zero plans.

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 So what's going wrong?

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 We want to say that there is something business as usual is not working.

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 We can't just walk in and say, hey, here's our plan and this is what we're doing.

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 We have to understand what's not working.

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 And that's why we took a step back.

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 We had to rethink our approach.

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 What we're doing in assessment is finding out what our strengths and weaknesses are.

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 And on the weakness side, we improve that and make it a part of our Vision Zero plan.

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 So that's why we're doing this assessment.

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 And here's what's all included in the assessment.

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 As I mentioned, there are several stakeholders, both internal.

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 We have multiple departments participating, as well as external.

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 There are several external stakeholders, like the two universities that we have, like county,

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 So we have staff from all these different stakeholders that are within Denton and are

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 We are collaborating with them.

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 And what we're going to do is we're going to understand how does the city currently,

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 the way it's functioning, align with those Vision Zero parameters, the core elements.

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 We are going to assess our strengths, as well as weaknesses, and help build on weaknesses.

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 And then we are going to see what challenges are preventing us.

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 So all of these are really important to get started.

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 So what's in the plan itself?

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 The Vision Zero is an action plan, which is centered around the core elements.

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 If you focus on these three top core elements, it's primarily looking at leadership and commitment.

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 What is the leadership and how is the leadership, how are they leading, what kind of engagement

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 they have, and what kind of commitment they have towards Vision Zero.

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 Then safe roads and speed, this is your infrastructure design.

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 Are you doing context-sensitive design?

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 Are you sizing your roads, appropriate speeds for your roads, and so on and so forth?

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 And then the final one, which is really important, is a data-driven approach.

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 So you have to track the data, you have to be transparent, and then you have to hold

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 So if you don't look at the changes you're implementing as part of the Vision Zero plan,

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 track it, map it, and then see if they're really effective or working, then you don't

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 know if this thing or the plan is really working.

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 So once you have a plan you're going to implement and then redo and reimplement and keep on

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 monitoring all the changes that you're doing.

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 So this is actually the Vision Zero plan, a quick example of how it would look like.

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 There are a couple of examples here.

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 To the left is the Houston plan, and to the right is the plan from Berkeley.

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 And what we're going to do is look at all these plans and see which fit really well,

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 what elements fit well for Denton.

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 If you see on the left side you have the actual goal, which is what the goal is walking, biking.

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 You see the lead department that's authorized, and then you have the supporting departments

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 within the action elements, and then a timeline which is associated.

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 The assessment phase for Vision Zero will be completed fall of this year, October, November

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 Once that is completed, we'll move on to the next step, which is Vision Zero plan.

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 We anticipate about 12 months of getting a consultant on board and going through the

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 steps of actually defining and benchmarking the core elements.

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 and monitoring of that particular plan.

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 the next budget cycle, starting in October this year.

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 And then one last thing, we had this presentation presented to council as well to just give

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 them an idea and update of Vision Zero.

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 >> Commissioner McDade?

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 I have a two part question.

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 On the first one, when it comes to the speech study, on a scale of the one to five, how

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 And then I'll go into the next question, which is why I don't think they're very reliable.

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 So they are reliable, the reason I say that.

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 It depends on the equipment that's being used.

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 So let me explain what the speech study does.

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 Speech study actually only collects currently, the first step is collecting data.

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 So a driver is driving on a roadway, many cars go on the roadway itself.

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 What it's doing is out of the 100 cars that pass that particular point, how many are going

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 That's what is logged.

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 That's what will define, okay, on this segment of the roadway, majority of the people driving

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 throughout the day are 30 miles an hour or 35 miles an hour.

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 So that's what is being done as part of the speech study.

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 And the equipment they use is they actually have tubes that have air pressure that keep

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 on counting changing on the air pressure once a car passes it.

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 So they're taped a distance apart, a fixed distance, and that defines the speed while

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 they're crossing those and the timing that it hits.

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 we ask for speech studies.

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 One particular street is Morris Street.

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 So the first time the city did a speech study coming off of Woodrow going west on Mars,

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 they actually put the speech study 30 feet from the turn off of Woodrow.

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 Nobody's going to get up to speed at that much time.

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 They came two weeks ago, right up the street on Mars at a three-way stop in Mars and Newton,

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 they put it 30 feet behind the stop sign.

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 So every time we ask for something, they just come and throw it in the neighborhood, I don't

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 know whether it's to appease the neighbors, the neighborhood, or just to say that they

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 did it.

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 But we ask them, you're putting it in the wrong spot.

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 And every time they come down, I mean, we're talking 30 feet from a three-way stop, nobody's

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 going to get up to 30 to 35 miles an hour.

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 But that's where they put them in the one spot where they know it's not going to show

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 that nobody's even going 30 miles an hour.

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 We have asked, we're not going to beg, we're just going to ask.

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 But every time we ask, they go and they put it in the worst spot possible.

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 And then we get a report saying, we don't see any issues with that, with speeding in

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 this neighborhood.

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 So how can that be corrected?

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 We would love the traffic to come down to the neighborhood and let us tell you where

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 to put it instead of you telling us where you're going to put it, because we know where

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 you're going to put it.

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 So we would love to have an interaction with the city to let us know this is the issue

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 we're having and we would love for you to just put them where we see the biggest problem,

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 because we're there 24/7.

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 Thank you.

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 OK.

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 So let's ask this question.

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 Where typically are these put?

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 I mean, is that a normal thing?

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 Mid-block.

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 Just mid-block.

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 Just mid-block.

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 They have to be-- there are several things that they look at, no obstructions, no parking,

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 fees, all of that.

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 But they have to be mid-block.

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 They cannot be that close to intersections, typically.

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 Yeah.

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 OK.

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 Yes.

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 With this assessment, is this being conducted by a third party, or is the city doing it?

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 Or is it a collab?

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 It's a collaboration.

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 The data is being collected by a third party.

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 OK.

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 Understood.

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 Any other questions?

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 Commissioner Perutt.

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 Thank you, Chair.

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 Fingerprint.

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 I don't know.

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 It's hotter outside.

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 So my fingers are sweaty.

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 I don't know.

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 A couple of follow-ups on Commissioner's data point.

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 And then I had some other-- a different line.

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 When we're doing the speed studies, do we have-- like, how accurate are the records

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 of the specific location where the speed study was operated at?

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 Are they just a segment name, or do we have, like, a GIS location?

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 We have a location map.

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 OK.

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 Nathan did sit down and actually point it on the map.

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 OK.

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 So they should be available.

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 That's good.

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 I think, you know, if there's any questions that come up once we start seeing the data,

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 that can be glanced at just to make sure there's not an issue.

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 And then secondly on that question, in a typical speed study where, for instance, you're looking

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 for the 85th percentile speed, is it correct that that 85th percentile speed is supposed

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 to be measuring only vehicles that are in the free flow of traffic and not those that

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 are potentially slowed down because there's excess traffic on the road?

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 If you're talking about congested roadways and speed in congested roadways, yes, it's

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 the comfortable speed.

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 So if the roadways typically are congested during peak hours, then that, yes, we are

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 focused more on the free flow speed where there is no congestion or backup or any other

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 obstructions that impede traffic free flow.

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 OK.

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 So with that data, is the typical process to sort of filter it and say, oh, well, we

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 measured, you know, 10 speeds within, I don't know what the time frame would be, one minute,

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 and therefore there were X number of cars for this number of lanes that constitutes

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 congestion, so we'll throw away those values, or is it more of like, well, we think this

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 roadway is usually congested at this time, so we'll take out the values that we measured

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 during that hour?

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 Typically what we do is look at the volumes, and volume, we compare that to the capacity

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 of the lane, and based on that, we'll define if, during any peak hour, if we're hitting

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 that mark, but that assessment will happen internally, we're not going to.

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 Sure.

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 The congestion is just happening right now, so we're just collecting the data.

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 We've not done any assessment yet.

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 OK.

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 No, that's fine.

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 I just, I guess anecdotally, I'll, I see, you know, because of platooning and other things,

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 there's often groups of cars where one car may be going slower than all the cars would

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 go that are behind it.

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 Just something to keep in mind.

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 OK.

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 But the, you mentioned it was kind of a multinational approach that had started quite some time ago,

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 but then you showed two examples, I think it was, now I'm going to not remember.

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 Houston.

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 It was Houston.

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 OK.

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 Houston and Berkeley.

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 Houston and Berkeley.

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 Are we also going to take a look at some international examples?

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 The reason I ask is that since those may have started earlier, they may not have been affected

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 in the results of them as much by the COVID travel pattern changes and that sort of thing?

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 I mean, we can ask our consultant.

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 Primarily we're going to start with some of the local, some of the U.S. cities, but as

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 we get more and more enhanced, meaning as we start seeing some of the changes influence

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 and then actual fatalities going down, then we'll start implementing some of the other,

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 because some of the European nations are fairly far along.

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 I mean, they have taken out lanes, they've taken out vehicle travel within a certain

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 area, they've implemented transit systems, so they're far more advanced and they're at

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 the stage that we're not, so we have to take steps.

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 Yeah, completely understand that the implementations may look different, because the state of things

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 is at a different point.

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 Completely different, so our implementation plan right now is going to be consistent with

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 most of the cities in the U.S., but as we go further, move along, then our plan continues

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 to change and we'll have a similar, but yeah, we can take a look at what they have.

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 And then lastly, I think in general, the public excitement over this is kind of like, we want

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 something yesterday, and I understand that that's hard to do when you're doing a very

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 thorough approach.

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 I guess my question is, is it, is one of the reasons why it benefits us to do a more complete

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 data collection and be thorough thing before we really get the plan out, say a year and

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 a half from now, just that we have so many text dot roadways and other jurisdictions

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 to work with within the city, and that gives us a better position to implement the things

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 that we come up with?

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 Partially, that's a partial answer.

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 Yes, we have a lot of stakeholders involved, but in the same vein, what we're currently

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 doing, as I mentioned in the background, is we are fixing, I did have a heat map for accident

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 locations.

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 The majority of the accident locations are along text dot facilities.

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 So what we're doing with the Highway Safety Improvement Program is we're targeting specifically

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 all of those intersections that are an issue and making sure that we fix those so that

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 moving forward, we don't have other accidents that happen at that location.

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 So yes, we're systematically addressing some of the deficiencies.

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 We just haven't named it a Vision Zero plan, but that could be one of the first things

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 that we show up in the Vision Zero implementation plan, is fix all these intersections that

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 are along text dot, and we are already starting to do that.

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 Sure, and I think we have had a program in the past that was like the small transportation

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 projects or something that has done some of that before.

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 I guess I'll say, as part of the component of developing that plan with the consultant

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 next year, I noticed that there would be an opportunity for trying to get some public

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 engagement and commitment with that.

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 I might offer that even though we won't have completely finished the planning and finished

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 the data collection for knowing exactly what metrics we want to track yet, I wonder if

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 setting up some pilot projects in places where we don't have to agree with text dot and that

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 sort of thing just to give the public an example physically of, hey, these are the types of

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 things we're thinking of including, here's why, what do you think of it, in order to

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 test some of those things out and be ahead of the ball a little bit.

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 I don't know if that is feasible, but getting people something physical in the city instead

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 of a page in a report is sometimes more effective.

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 That's a good idea, but I think if you look at the layers that are in there, physical

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 aspect is really like one piece to like seven other pieces.

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 So driver behavior, maybe reaching out, maybe education of the drivers, education of people

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 all, that's one piece, policy is another piece, law enforcement, enforcing is another piece.

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 So yeah, I think at the end of the day it comes together, but if you don't have anything

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 physical, people don't actually see anything, and I agree, but that's a good point, we'll

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 look into the pilot program.

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 Really looking forward to it.

391
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 Thank you.

392
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 Thank you.

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 Any other questions?

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 No.

395
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 Awesome.

396
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 Thank you.

397
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:05,600
 Thank you for this, great overview, look forward to as we progress in it.

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 We're excited too.

399
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 Appreciate it.

400
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 Thanks.

401
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:09,600
 Thank you.

402
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:15,040
 Okay, moving along in our agenda, citizen comments on consent agenda items is our next

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 item, and I don't believe I have anyone here to speak, so we will move on to our next agenda

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 item, which is clarification on tonight's agenda, starting with our minutes for June

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 8th.

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 Any questions, comments, revisions needed?

407
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 Okay, how about consent agenda items?

408
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 There's, I believe, got two items on the consent agenda.

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 Commissioner McDade?

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 I just have a question for Julie.

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 Okay.

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 At the, I'm looking at the Lang Sycamore, at the last meeting, I asked you if you had

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 any idea what they were planning to build, and I guess you didn't have an answer, so

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 have you done, have they?

415
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 It's multifamily.

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 I mean, we're talking duplexes, the reason I'm asking is this, it's going to be, that

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 this touches home, because depending on how they build, this is looking into my backyard

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 down, so now I'm having the Lillian Miller effect that, so I was, we were just curious

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 on what duplexes, fourplexes, or three or four story apartments, that's all I was trying

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 to find out.

421
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:34,760
 Sure.

422
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 It is multifamily, so that traditional kind of garden style multifamily on this property,

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 they are proposing three story buildings, that southern property line, show right there,

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 they are proposing that most of the buildings are going to be toward the north of the, of

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 the property.

426
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 Is that Sycamore?

427
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 I'm sorry.

428
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 I'm sorry.

429
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 No, that's okay.

430
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 Closer to Sycamore, there is parking along the southern edge, and they, they are required

431
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 to put in a buffer.

432
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 I will be happy to provide you with a site plan if you'd like, so we can talk to them.

433
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 Yeah, yeah, because I'm, I'm actually on, on the prairie, on the prairie end.

434
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 Oh, you're, okay, so you're on the south side of it, yes sir.

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 So there is, they are proposing parking along this southern edge, along with the, the required

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 buffer, and then they are also proposing open space here, I believe a dog park in this area

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 right here.

438
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:26,920
 Okay.

439
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 All righty, thank you.

440
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,920
 You bet.

441
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 Commissioner Pruitt.

442
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:32,920
 Thank you.

443
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 Just again on this one, I just want to make sure I'm understanding correctly.

444
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 So on the north side of the Platte, there's a pedestrian access evenment that's eight

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 feet wide, and it's normally a collector roadway, I think, so it would normally have that eight

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 foot wide sidewalk.

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 So is that sort of the, the plan to be able to have that connectivity on the south side

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 of this road, even though the, the north properties don't, have not yielded that right of way

449
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 because they haven't redeveloped since that requirement, and that became a collector,

450
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 is that correct?

451
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 That is correct.

452
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 So yes, they'll have to, they'll have to construct that sidewalk along that southern

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 property.

454
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:11,240
 Okay.

455
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 On the south side of the road, yes sir.

456
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:13,600
 Okay.

457
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:14,600
 Thank you.

458
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:15,600
 You bet.

459
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 Anything else on consent?

460
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:17,600
 Okay.

461
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:18,600
 Thanks Julie.

462
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:19,600
 Appreciate it.

463
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 That'll move us into our items for individual consideration.

464
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 Are there any questions on 4A?

465
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 Anybody need to see that on the screen in work session?

466
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:42,760
 Nope.

467
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:43,760
 Actually, who is doing that?

468
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 Is it Mia?

469
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 Is she here?

470
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:46,760
 You're doing it?

471
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,800
 Give us an overview.

472
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 This is a very unique one.

473
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:59,960
 That's why I would like a little overview.

474
00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:00,960
 Let me pull up the presentation.

475
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:01,960
 Thanks.

476
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,120
 I'm not going to go through every detail.

477
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:05,120
 Just explain.

478
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,680
 Yeah, we can see the whole presentation and yeah, but just kind of, yeah, the high, high

479
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:09,680
 level would be great.

480
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:15,560
 So the request here is for a variance for driveway spacing, and I'm going to directly

481
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,400
 jump into the driveway spacing.

482
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:24,080
 So as you can see, this is along Sandbass, let me go back a little bit.

483
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,000
 So this is Sandbass Boulevard.

484
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:31,000
 That's Londonderry, Teasley and I-35 interchange is somewhere up here.

485
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,820
 And that's the corner we're looking at along Sandbass.

486
00:30:34,820 --> 00:30:40,520
 And if you get there, there are apartments on the west side.

487
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,520
 They currently have a driveway here.

488
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,920
 And then there are apartment entrance and a driveway on the south side here.

489
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,680
 So what we're requesting is a variance of driveway spacing.

490
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:56,840
 Typically, when we have driveways across, we want them to line up or be 75 feet away

491
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,680
 from each other.

492
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,240
 And then typically when we have driveways on the same side of the street, we require

493
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,720
 them to be at least 100 feet apart.

494
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:12,040
 So this site has, as you can see, a lot of trees here as part of their tree preservation

495
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,040
 plan.

496
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,720
 They had to preserve tree on this north side.

497
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:22,760
 The building, the way it's laid out as a result, had to be pushed further south.

498
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:29,840
 And that's why this driveway is slightly not aligned with the driveway opposite to it or

499
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,080
 even not 100 feet.

500
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,260
 So that's why we're requesting a variance.

501
00:31:34,260 --> 00:31:39,120
 We've looked at traffic analysis, we've looked at the peak volume and numbers.

502
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:46,200
 Typically, the concern is drivers going across the road and not being able to make that direct

503
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:47,200
 connection.

504
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:52,600
 But since both of them are apartments, very unlikely that anyone will cross apartments

505
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:53,880
 and go across.

506
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:58,200
 And then the turning volume is also low during peak hours, so there's very little conflict

507
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,600
 here from the safety standpoint.

508
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,800
 So those are the two things that we're looking at.

509
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:14,920
 Given all the volumes, numbers, and this roadway, we recommend approval for this slight variance.

510
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:20,160
 One of my concerns on this road is there's so much parking on the road and there are

511
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:28,560
 times that, I mean, you can't get two cars passing each other when cars are home at these

512
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:29,840
 apartment complexes.

513
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,880
 So then we're going to add another one.

514
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:38,200
 Is that taken into consideration as you looked at this, especially with what vision is going

515
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,600
 to be, especially with what we just talked about?

516
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:48,320
 Also, obviously, San Bas isn't going to be looked at like the next of never, probably,

517
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,000
 but what is the future plan for that?

518
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:57,320
 So I'm glad you asked, because as part of this plan, we've asked them to create an indented

519
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:58,440
 parking area.

520
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:04,920
 So all on-street parking north along the fringe of this property will be tucked inside and

521
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:10,320
 then the curves are pulled outside so that we have enough space.

522
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:15,440
 So we ask them to measure, we provide enough adequate space for on-street parking on the

523
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:16,760
 opposite side.

524
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:21,640
 There's adequate space on-street parking on this side, and there is a 20-foot open area

525
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:26,360
 that cars can drive in either direction comfortably.

526
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:31,600
 And that's what we've done as part of this design, is ask them to provide indented parking

527
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:32,920
 and shift the curve.

528
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:38,040
 So they're actually physically shifting the curve that currently exists on their frontage

529
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:42,480
 closer to their building and then creating extra space for the parking to address the

530
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,920
 same concerns that you just pointed out.

531
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:49,040
 And are they going to have on-street parking as well?

532
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:54,240
 They're not required, but typically, when you have apartments, you end up using the

533
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,240
 on-street parking spaces anyways.

534
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,120
 So that's why we made sure that the safety factor was addressed in this area.

535
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,520
 Yeah, that is excellent to know, because it's tough right now.

536
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,840
 I totally understand.

537
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:11,520
 Questions for Pete, I'm on this.

538
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:12,520
 Okay.

539
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:13,520
 Okay.

540
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:14,520
 Thank you.

541
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,520
 We'll see you in the meeting.

542
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:18,520
 Okay.

543
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:28,760
 Next one is for B, FP220018, that I believe has an extension request on it.

544
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:33,840
 Yeah, please, thanks.

545
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:34,840
 Mainly just so we have dates.

546
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,760
 I know there's an extension request on it.

547
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:37,760
 So, yeah.

548
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:38,760
 Yes.

549
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:39,760
 Good evening, everyone.

550
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,800
 Angie Mangler, Senior Planner.

551
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:42,800
 This is FP220018.

552
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:51,100
 I think I may have pulled up the wrong presentation.

553
00:34:51,100 --> 00:34:52,100
 Here it is.

554
00:34:52,100 --> 00:34:58,280
 It is a requested final plot for one lot, approximately 22 acres.

555
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:03,280
 At this moment, staff is recommending denial, as it does not meet all of our approval criteria.

556
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,680
 However, they did submit an extension request, and we have no exception to granting that

557
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:08,680
 until July 13th.

558
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:09,680
 Okay.

559
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:10,680
 Excellent.

560
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:11,680
 That's what I wanted to know.

561
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:12,680
 Okay.

562
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:13,680
 Any questions for Angie?

563
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:14,680
 Okay.

564
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,360
 Thank you very much.

565
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:17,360
 Okay.

566
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,560
 Next will be 4C, PP220003.

567
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,360
 This came in email very late and has changed to approval.

568
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:30,480
 I don't know if everyone has had a chance to view that, but we probably will, possibly

569
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:31,480
 right now.

570
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:32,480
 Hi.

571
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:33,480
 Good evening.

572
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:38,640
 Ashley Hickok, Assistant Planner.

573
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:47,380
 This is PP220003B, and this is a preliminary plot for Cyrene at Hickory, and it's 51 residential

574
00:35:47,380 --> 00:35:50,400
 lots at 2499 and Hickory Creek Road.

575
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,900
 They were able to work through all of their outstanding comments today, so staff is currently

576
00:35:53,900 --> 00:35:55,360
 recommending approval.

577
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:56,360
 Excellent.

578
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:57,360
 Any questions?

579
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:03,640
 I know you worked hard on this one to get all those cleared, so thank you very much.

580
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,680
 That's good for the applicant.

581
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:08,680
 Commissioner Perrett.

582
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:09,680
 Thank you.

583
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:10,680
 Thank you.

584
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,640
 So you have the overview map there on the left.

585
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:21,760
 Just north of this property is the couple of subdivisions kind of between Hickory Creek

586
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:29,900
 and Ryan Road, and there's an existing trail that runs through that 100-year floodplain

587
00:36:29,900 --> 00:36:35,080
 area that you kind of see snaking north and then northwest and then north again, almost

588
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:36,640
 all the way up to Ryan Road.

589
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,720
 So I guess my question is, and I was looking up for the chapter and verse and couldn't

590
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:46,260
 find it, so you'll have to forgive me, but we do have a requirement for connecting to

591
00:36:46,260 --> 00:36:51,160
 existing trails that are near the border of a subject property.

592
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:58,360
 And so my question is, is that already planned in this plat, and there's nothing necessary

593
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,720
 to show within this floodplain, or is that something that would have to be shown in the

594
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:05,880
 plat to do, and if so, why are we not requiring it?

595
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,980
 The applicant actually has a meeting with Parks tomorrow morning at 9 o'clock to go

596
00:37:09,980 --> 00:37:13,480
 over the details of the trail dedication throughout the ESD.

597
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:14,480
 Okay.

598
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,520
 So that's in work, even though we don't see it on this plat.

599
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:17,520
 Yes.

600
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:18,520
 Okay.

601
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:19,520
 Thank you.

602
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,520
 Anybody else?

603
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,720
 Thank you very much.

604
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:25,720
 Okay.

605
00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:34,600
 That will take us to 4DPP220011 by Julie.

606
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:35,600
 Good evening.

607
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,580
 Julie Wyatt, Senior Planner.

608
00:37:37,580 --> 00:37:42,560
 So before we talk about these plots, I just want to take one moment because since we've

609
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:48,120
 had the shot clock legislation within the state of Texas, we don't often see preliminary

610
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,360
 and final plots on the same agenda.

611
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,000
 It was something that happened from time to time prior to the shot clock legislation,

612
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,800
 but it's not something we typically see.

613
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,720
 But we do have a preliminary and final plot for the same project on your agenda tonight.

614
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:05,840
 So I just wanted to talk about that also, let you know that it is permitted in the Denton

615
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:06,840
 Development Code.

616
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,160
 It's just not something we often see.

617
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:17,360
 That said, this one is the preliminary plat, PP220011A.

618
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,720
 You might remember this from a previous meeting.

619
00:38:19,720 --> 00:38:22,000
 They did receive an extension.

620
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:27,320
 They have addressed all comments, and staff is recommending approval, except we are recommending

621
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,760
 approval with conditions tonight because there are still some outstanding issues.

622
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,840
 One in particular, the specific use permit.

623
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:40,120
 So there is a specific use permit required for a multifamily use on this property.

624
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:45,840
 It is going to go before you tonight during the public hearing, and then it will go before

625
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:50,120
 city council if it has a recommendation tonight, if it moves forward tonight, it will go to

626
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,240
 city council next Tuesday.

627
00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:59,720
 So staff is recommending a condition that approval is conditioned upon that approval

628
00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:07,240
 of that SUP, and that if that SUP is not approved, then the preliminary plat would expire immediately.

629
00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:10,600
 I'll be happy to answer any questions.

630
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:15,680
 And I think, do you want to just piggyback E on this because it's effectively the same?

631
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:16,680
 >> Sure.

632
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:17,680
 Absolutely.

633
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:18,680
 >> And then we'll get to questions.

634
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:19,680
 >> Sure.

635
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:20,680
 This is the final plat.

636
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:27,360
 So the preliminary plat is on the agenda prior to the final plat, but this one is also they

637
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:33,060
 have addressed all comments, and staff is recommending approval with conditions, one,

638
00:39:33,060 --> 00:39:39,640
 that the civil engineering plans have to be approved without condition, and any changes

639
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:44,040
 to that final plat, it would have to be reflected on that final plat based upon that approval

640
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,200
 of the civil engineering plans.

641
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,840
 That multifamily use would have to be approved through the specific use permit.

642
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:55,800
 And then once again, if that SUP is not approved by council, then that plat would expire.

643
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,320
 And I'll be happy to answer any questions.

644
00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:59,320
 >> Thanks, Julie.

645
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:00,320
 Commissioner McDade.

646
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,160
 >> Yeah, I just have a question.

647
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,960
 I've heard the phrase shot clock, but I don't exactly know what it is.

648
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,560
 I wanted you to kind of amplify on exactly what that means.

649
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:10,560
 >> Okay.

650
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:11,560
 Well, I'm going to do my best.

651
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,640
 If I leave anything out, Tina or Hillary will jump in.

652
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:15,640
 >> All right, thank you.

653
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:21,120
 >> So a couple of years ago, the state legislature passed a bill where plat, an action needed

654
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:28,240
 to be, let me rephrase, the plat needed to be acted upon within 30 days of submittal.

655
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:34,880
 So an applicant submits that plat, the P&Z either has to approve it or deny it within

656
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:35,880
 30 days.

657
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:42,080
 Now, they do have the option, applicants have the option to request a one-time 30-day extension

658
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,520
 that would give them another 30 days.

659
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:49,800
 But at the end of that 30 days, the Planning and Zoning Commission has to either approve

660
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,320
 or deny or approve with conditions that plat.

661
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,840
 There's no extending it beyond that 60 days.

662
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:02,880
 So does that answer your question or, okay, how did I do?

663
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,160
 Commissioner Villarreal.

664
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:12,400
 >> Quick question, is there a reason why we're removing the date with conditions instead

665
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,480
 of having to do with the plat application?

666
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:15,480
 >> That is a great question.

667
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,680
 The applicant is here, will be here tonight to talk, especially regarding the specific

668
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:20,900
 use permit.

669
00:41:20,900 --> 00:41:25,080
 They do have, this is an affordable project.

670
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:30,920
 So they have prescribed deadlines that they have to meet in order to meet the deadlines

671
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,880
 for that affordable project.

672
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,100
 And so they're running up against some deadlines.

673
00:41:35,100 --> 00:41:41,040
 And so staff talked with them and we worked through what we could approve or we could

674
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,760
 recommend that approval with the conditions.

675
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,920
 >> Thank you.

676
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,200
 >> Sure.

677
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:49,200
 >> Commissioner Pruitt.

678
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,200
 >> Thank you, Chair.

679
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:55,360
 So completely understand it's the way we have to do things.

680
00:41:55,360 --> 00:42:04,940
 But just out of curiosity, because we don't often see this type of situation, would the

681
00:42:04,940 --> 00:42:13,560
 development code give us grounds for denying for this type of a situation and we've found

682
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:21,560
 a way to allow the project to move forward contingent on that, right?

683
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:26,800
 Or is the judgment by staff or the recommendation by staff that denying it for the reason that

684
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:33,160
 there was not an SUP granted yet is not allowed under the shot clock legislation?

685
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,120
 >> I'm going to let Tina jump in on that one if you don't mind.

686
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,680
 >> So all great questions.

687
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:48,640
 So prior to the shot clock legislation, as Julie pointed out, it was not uncommon to

688
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:54,960
 have development applications being considered simultaneously.

689
00:42:54,960 --> 00:43:02,080
 Keep in mind the 30-day rule applied prior to 2019, but cities took a broader interpretation

690
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,120
 as to when did the clock start, right?

691
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,880
 So the state legislature tried to rein us all in.

692
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:12,700
 Not saying that we were offenders in Denton by any means, but that's -- I mean, the primary

693
00:43:12,700 --> 00:43:18,700
 impetus behind it is how to be able to help facilitate the development project faster.

694
00:43:18,700 --> 00:43:26,780
 Preliminary plats are typically very preliminary in nature, and they are the initial layout

695
00:43:26,780 --> 00:43:34,460
 illustrating how the applicant is anticipating the easements to encumber the property.

696
00:43:34,460 --> 00:43:41,000
 And it's basically communicating to us, here's how we anticipate this all laying out.

697
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:46,280
 And we do our best at that review simultaneously with following a zoning compliance plan review

698
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:51,040
 if that's come into play, look to see if these easements also correspond with that.

699
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:56,800
 It also works in tandem with the civil engineering plans, right?

700
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:01,280
 But we anticipate that there will probably be changes to the preliminary plat, especially

701
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:02,880
 when it comes to final plat.

702
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,720
 The final plat usually occurs later in our development review cycle.

703
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:11,220
 Depending upon the municipality and how the review processes are set up, you might see

704
00:44:11,220 --> 00:44:15,360
 the final plat before construction, or you might see the final plat near the tail end

705
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:16,360
 of construction.

706
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:21,600
 But the final plat then is laying out and identifying these are the locations where the easements

707
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,320
 are going to be occurring.

708
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,780
 Sometimes issues happen out in the field where the water line actually got installed 10 feet

709
00:44:27,780 --> 00:44:30,640
 to the west, so we've got to shift the easement 10 feet to the west.

710
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,200
 So sometimes we have to make those allowances.

711
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:39,440
 But in this case, the challenge with this particular project is because of some of the

712
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,620
 deadlines associated with the financing.

713
00:44:41,620 --> 00:44:46,560
 And so it is difficult to get the federal government to modify their processes.

714
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:51,680
 So therefore, it's incumbent upon cities to be able to help facilitate development applications

715
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:57,600
 to be able to achieve goals, and one of our goals is the affordable housing aspect.

716
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:03,080
 So ideally, the specific use permit would track through, be approved, they get through

717
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:07,520
 all their entitlements, given the reconsideration request, not to mention some of the deadlines

718
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,440
 that they've been working through, hence why these applications are starting to stack up

719
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:12,900
 on top of each other.

720
00:45:12,900 --> 00:45:18,600
 Because plats are very ministerial in nature from a review standpoint, we either have to

721
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:19,600
 approve them or deny them.

722
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,120
 They either comply or they don't.

723
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,200
 They have less subjectivity associated with it.

724
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:27,480
 So that's why we're comfortable moving forward with these applications the way they are.

725
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,440
 I think I might have missed one of your questions.

726
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:34,480
 I think his question was basically, why are we not denying?

727
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:39,120
 But I think the way we have the conditions set up is, I mean, it would be denied because

728
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,200
 it's going to expire if the SUP is not approved.

729
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,360
 So is that going down the line that you needed answered?

730
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:46,360
 Yes.

731
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:47,360
 Okay, perfect.

732
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,640
 Yeah, the challenge on plats, as I mentioned, because they're ministerial, they either comply

733
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,400
 or they don't.

734
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:58,320
 And given that we've got this pending zoning out there, we're trying to help facilitate

735
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,020
 that if the Planning and Zoning Commission makes a recommendation to council and ultimately

736
00:46:02,020 --> 00:46:06,180
 council approves that specific use permit, then these plats are very ministerial in nature

737
00:46:06,180 --> 00:46:08,520
 and will be able to be approved.

738
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:09,520
 Right.

739
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,680
 And if we just take it a little simpler, the plat meets all the criteria.

740
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:14,680
 Correct.

741
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:15,680
 The preliminary plat, the final plat.

742
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:21,080
 So I mean, if we just take those out of context, I mean, that's where we are.

743
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,200
 And we've added the condition on the final plat with respect to the civil engineering

744
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:29,160
 plans, just because in the event something comes up as the part of the final review,

745
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:33,000
 or if it comes up out in the field and they have to modify the civil engineering plan,

746
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:37,560
 that we're basically putting the applicant on notice that we are approving this, but

747
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:41,760
 it's also subject to you finalizing your civil engineering plan review, and in that way if

748
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:48,640
 something changes on the civil engineering plans, we can be able to accommodate that.

749
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,960
 Any other questions on this one?

750
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:56,880
 Julie, you might as well stay up because we're moving to 5A, which is related.

751
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,200
 5A is S220002.

752
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:04,000
 All right.

753
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,160
 Julie Wyatt, senior planner.

754
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,920
 I won't go over all the slides we went over on the first time you saw this.

755
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:15,520
 We'll just hit some highlights, but this is S22-002 pathway on Woodrow.

756
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:20,080
 The request before you is for a specific use permit for multifamily dwellings.

757
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:25,640
 The property is located just east of Woodrow, and it has a zoning designation of suburban

758
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:31,240
 corridor district, which requires approval of an SUP for multifamily dwellings.

759
00:47:31,240 --> 00:47:35,260
 There is a riparian buffer along the eastern edge of the property.

760
00:47:35,260 --> 00:47:40,360
 They are not proposing to impact that riparian buffer.

761
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:46,880
 Just a quick hit on the site plan, they are proposing 285 units in six three-story buildings.

762
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,840
 They are also proposing open space and recreation amenities.

763
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:54,920
 They've got parking for vehicles, as well as bikes on site.

764
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:56,700
 Two connections to Dutchess.

765
00:47:56,700 --> 00:48:02,080
 They are proposing to construct all of Dutchess from Woodrow to their east property line,

766
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:07,800
 so that would be the north and southern portion of that road.

767
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:14,440
 As part of that, they're proposing construction of a 10-foot shared use path along Dutchess.

768
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:22,360
 And then our engineering talked about that 10-foot shared use path along Woodrow, and

769
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:27,080
 with the civil engineering plans have actually added that to the project as well.

770
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:31,560
 The buildings are also sited to define that street, particularly that corner at Dutchess

771
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,600
 and Woodrow.

772
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:41,040
 The proposal is consistent with the future land use map with the Denton 2040 comprehensive

773
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,360
 plan, as well as some other elements to that comprehensive plan.

774
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:48,300
 So first, the future land use map, moderate residential.

775
00:48:48,300 --> 00:48:55,200
 That indicates about four to 12 dwelling units per acre, as well as transition areas between

776
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,880
 single-family neighborhoods and mixed-use or commercial areas.

777
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:03,320
 This is a little more dense than that typical four to 12 dwelling units per acre, but because

778
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:09,820
 of the transitional area of this property, along an arterial near a note of employment,

779
00:49:09,820 --> 00:49:14,320
 it is appropriate in this location, particularly because we do anticipate that as you move

780
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:19,640
 toward the east, densities would be lower.

781
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:24,600
 Our comp plan also talks about that Denton's going to grow before 2040.

782
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:29,920
 We're going to add quite a few residents, and we will need housing to accommodate those

783
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:30,920
 residents.

784
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:36,300
 And so this would accommodate that housing, and it would also facilitate a compact development

785
00:49:36,300 --> 00:49:41,280
 pattern because Woodrow's an existing roadway with existing water and sewer facilities in

786
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:42,280
 the area.

787
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:43,280
 So it's consistent with that.

788
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:47,940
 It's consistent with the preferred land preservation plan, because it's not impacting the ESA.

789
00:49:47,940 --> 00:49:50,480
 And it's also consistent with our housing goals.

790
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:55,520
 It's meeting the needs of our residents with a diverse array of housing, not only in type,

791
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,300
 but in cost and in location.

792
00:49:58,300 --> 00:50:01,720
 And then it also provides that affordable housing choice.

793
00:50:01,720 --> 00:50:03,920
 And then compatibility with the surrounding area.

794
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:08,760
 We always, within SUP, we look at the surrounding area, not just what's adjacent to the property,

795
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,120
 but the context in which it sits.

796
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:15,460
 This specific site is adjacent to Woodrow, which is a secondary arterial.

797
00:50:15,460 --> 00:50:17,620
 It's near a node of activity.

798
00:50:17,620 --> 00:50:23,040
 We've got a lot of county offices just to the west of the subject property, and that

799
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:30,100
 blue star, as well as a commercial corner there at the intersection of Woodrow and McKinney.

800
00:50:30,100 --> 00:50:32,400
 So there's a lot of activity in the area.

801
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,880
 A multifamily is an important part of mixed use areas.

802
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:44,280
 It provides that housing for employees and customers for commercial uses.

803
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,280
 Their proposed design is consistent with the surrounding area.

804
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:53,600
 We do have other multifamily projects in the area, typically that garden style apartment.

805
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:58,880
 And this is consistent with that, both in design and in the activities on site.

806
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,060
 And then the surrounding zoning is SC.

807
00:51:01,060 --> 00:51:11,920
 So we anticipate that development's going to be consistent with this intensity and density.

808
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:17,120
 Public outreach was sent out for the first meeting, as well as for this meeting.

809
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,560
 We've received three notices in favor.

810
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,720
 One was sent to y'all this afternoon, I believe.

811
00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:27,080
 It didn't make it in the packet, and those are shown in green.

812
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:28,640
 And staff is recommending approval.

813
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,200
 I won't read all of this to you.

814
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:34,360
 It's in your backup material, but we are recommending approval with conditions that they would follow

815
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,400
 that site plan that they're proposing.

816
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:37,800
 And I'll be happy to answer any questions.

817
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,680
 The applicant is here to answer questions tonight as well.

818
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:41,680
 Thanks, Julie.

819
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:42,680
 Commissioner Villarreal.

820
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,940
 First off, thank you.

821
00:51:45,940 --> 00:51:49,580
 At the last Southeast Denton Neighborhood Association meeting, there was a good number

822
00:51:49,580 --> 00:51:54,520
 of contention and concern regarding this SUP and associated project.

823
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:59,160
 I fully understand they did not fall within the 500-foot boundary to receive notices, but

824
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,640
 their neighborhood will be greatly affected by this project.

825
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:07,440
 Did the city have a liaison in attendance to hear in or address those concerns by chance?

826
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:16,680
 I am not aware of a city liaison attending that meeting regarding this project.

827
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:21,640
 I'm not aware of it either, unless we were invited there for some other reason, but I'm

828
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:22,640
 not a...

829
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,840
 Yeah, I don't recall us being invited to attend the meeting.

830
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:25,840
 Gotcha.

831
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:26,840
 Just curious.

832
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,680
 Did you know that the applicant made an effort to talk with the Southeast Denton community

833
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,380
 about their concerns?

834
00:52:31,380 --> 00:52:35,760
 I am not certain about their public outreach in terms of the Sedna community, but they

835
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,960
 will be here tonight so they can answer any questions regarding additional public outreach.

836
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:45,480
 Right, and there would be no legal objection to them doing further outreach past the 500-foot

837
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,560
 courtesy boundary, correct?

838
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,080
 We have a...

839
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:50,080
 We don't prohibit it.

840
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:54,480
 We have suggestions for how they do neighborhood outreach within the code.

841
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:55,480
 We don't prohibit it.

842
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:59,360
 It's kind of up to the applicant how they want to approach that.

843
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:00,360
 Perfect.

844
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,280
 Thank you.

845
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,280
 Any other questions for Julie?

846
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,400
 Okay.

847
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:09,400
 Thank you very much.

848
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,120
 See you in the meeting for that one.

849
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,480
 Okay, 5B is Z220008.

850
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:18,460
 Well, actually, Julie, that's you too.

851
00:53:18,460 --> 00:53:20,880
 It is on here as a postponement.

852
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:28,640
 So is that something we are taking action to do or are we taking no action, I guess?

853
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:32,720
 Maybe that's a Hillary question.

854
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:39,280
 This is for the zoning case on Hercules, I believe, and we are re-noticing that.

855
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:40,800
 So we will take no action on that.

856
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:41,800
 Okay.

857
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:42,800
 Correct.

858
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:43,800
 Very good.

859
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:44,800
 Thank you.

860
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:45,800
 Thank you.

861
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:46,800
 Okay, 5C DCA 220002.

862
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:51,520
 I do not see Ron here, so it's going to be Haley.

863
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:52,800
 Hi, Haley.

864
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,440
 Good evening.

865
00:53:54,440 --> 00:54:00,560
 Yes, I will be helping us get through this one in Ron's absence this evening.

866
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,720
 So Haley Zegerski, Assistant Planning Director.

867
00:54:03,720 --> 00:54:08,000
 I will run through the very brief presentation here at the work session, but we do have the

868
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:12,320
 red line of subchapter two available if we need to pull that up and go through any sections

869
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,320
 in full detail.

870
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,120
 So just a little bit of background, since it's been a while since you all have seen

871
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,400
 a code amendment.

872
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:26,000
 So after our comprehensive update of the DDC in 2019, we did anticipate from the start

873
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:31,080
 that we would have some amendments following that to address any nonconformities that were

874
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:35,560
 created, new challenges created by state law changes, and things of that nature.

875
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:40,800
 So we have been going through the Development Code Review Committee with a series of changes

876
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:46,240
 since that there was a brief pause during kind of COVID when everything was shut down

877
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:51,320
 and we did lose a little bit of traction there on those, but we've since got our DCRC back

878
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,380
 up and running and they are meeting every other week.

879
00:54:53,380 --> 00:54:58,080
 So this is the first in a series of code amendments that will be coming before you all over the

880
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,680
 next year.

881
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:06,920
 So specific to subchapter two, this is a kind of comprehensive look at our procedures chapter

882
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:11,880
 and the code, so subchapter two lays out the city's boards and commissions, as well as

883
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:17,520
 all of our various application types that come through the staff review process, P&Z

884
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:18,520
 and council.

885
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:23,000
 So this is kind of a comprehensive update to that to address a series of changes.

886
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:28,020
 So in the red line that was provided in your backup, you'd find there is a table that's

887
00:55:28,020 --> 00:55:32,480
 table 2.2A that outlines a summary of all of our processes.

888
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:36,060
 So there's a variety of changes being made to that.

889
00:55:36,060 --> 00:55:40,220
 Some of that includes adding new application types that we've had in the city, but they

890
00:55:40,220 --> 00:55:41,320
 got left out of the table.

891
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,280
 They might be referenced other places in the code.

892
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,620
 So we're making sure that that is comprehensive.

893
00:55:46,620 --> 00:55:52,000
 We are changing pre-application conferences from being a requirement for most of our applications

894
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:53,640
 to being a recommendation.

895
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,960
 Not every project needs to come through a pre-application.

896
00:55:55,960 --> 00:56:00,440
 We do highly encourage it, but that would be a vesting action if we were to require

897
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:01,440
 that.

898
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:05,720
 So we want to remove that as a requirement and make it a recommendation.

899
00:56:05,720 --> 00:56:10,480
 We are updating a host of operational procedures related to the P&Z, the Zoning Board of Adjustment

900
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,600
 and our other boards.

901
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:16,480
 That section of the code was much more comprehensive in our 2002 DDC.

902
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,440
 Many of those changes were left out with the thought that they might be folded into the

903
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:24,420
 code of ordinances at some point, but in light of that not occurring and needing to get those

904
00:56:24,420 --> 00:56:31,520
 procedures back into a codified state, we're adding them back into the development code.

905
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,360
 Some of the other changes are simply to make sure we're consistent with our checklist

906
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:38,800
 and our fee schedules that we've adopted, and then we are updating our subdivision procedures

907
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:43,740
 to make sure that those are compliant with all of the recent changes in state law.

908
00:56:43,740 --> 00:56:48,680
 We are adding some subdivision or some application types back to the code and introducing some

909
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:49,680
 new ones as well.

910
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:54,280
 So subdivision variances, you all have seen in the past, we do have one on the agenda

911
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,720
 this evening that's actually authorized through our criteria manual, but that used to be a

912
00:56:57,720 --> 00:57:01,280
 section of the DDC, and we've identified a need to bring that back.

913
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,560
 So that's one of those examples.

914
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:08,820
 There are, as I mentioned, other things that are being updated, replant and annexations.

915
00:57:08,820 --> 00:57:12,840
 There have been some changes in state law that we're codifying, as well as aligning

916
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:17,720
 our Zoning Board of Adjustments' appeal procedures with state law, and then making a variety

917
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,440
 of other minor amendments to the code.

918
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:24,400
 So I won't go in any more detail here, but I do have that red line document available

919
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:28,400
 if we need to go through any sections that you all might have questions over.

920
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:29,400
 Thanks, Haley.

921
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:30,400
 Questions?

922
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:31,680
 Commissioner Pruitt?

923
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,800
 Just a small thing, I hope.

924
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:40,700
 I noticed just in trying to absorb the table that some of the entries say public hearing

925
00:57:40,700 --> 00:57:48,400
 required for the R, D, or A, and the R refers to review/recommendation, and some of those

926
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:54,460
 are, well, yeah, I'll stop there.

927
00:57:54,460 --> 00:57:58,760
 Can you help me understand what the difference between a review/recommendation that requires

928
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:05,800
 a public hearing versus a recommended item with a diamond?

929
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:06,800
 Let's see.

930
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:12,600
 Let me try to get this pulled up so we can all look at the same thing.

931
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:16,760
 And maybe I'm just confused because I don't understand two similar words, sorry.

932
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:22,700
 So in light of the table, it would have to be a mile long to contain all of the details.

933
00:58:22,700 --> 00:58:27,280
 The review/recommendation simply means that that body is not making a final action on

934
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:28,280
 that.

935
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:33,040
 It's not the comments of an SUP, the development assistance team, and the director would review

936
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,900
 that application and make a recommendation to the P&Z.

937
00:58:35,900 --> 00:58:39,040
 The P&Z then makes a recommendation to city council after review.

938
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,200
 So it's simply trying to acknowledge that that's not the final decision.

939
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:47,360
 I think it's finally clicking for me in that the public hearing required refers to the

940
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,360
 brackets around the letter, not the actual letter.

941
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:56,320
 And I was reading the brackets as meaning what makes that required is what's inside

942
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,520
 of it as opposed to what bounds it.

943
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:03,160
 The letter of the bracket and the triangle, for lack of a better word, I'm not sure what

944
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:04,160
 that one is.

945
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:05,600
 But yeah, they all have separate meanings to find at the top.

946
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:06,600
 All right.

947
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:07,600
 Thank you.

948
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,080
 Other questions?

949
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:19,560
 Haley, in the draft that's written here where section two references exhibit A, is that

950
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:23,960
 going to -- I mean, it's blank on the draft.

951
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,160
 I assume is it going to be -- Oh, in the draft ordinance?

952
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:28,160
 Correct.

953
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:29,160
 Correct.

954
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:30,160
 That would be the entire red line document.

955
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:31,160
 Okay.

956
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,600
 That's what I wanted to make sure that I understood what exhibit A is going to be.

957
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:34,600
 Okay.

958
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:35,600
 Perfect.

959
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:36,600
 Anything else?

960
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:37,600
 Okay.

961
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:38,600
 Thank you.

962
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:39,600
 All right.

963
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:40,600
 We'll see you in the meeting.

964
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:41,600
 Thank you.

965
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:42,600
 I think that is the -- it is the end of our agenda.

966
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,520
 So I will close our work session at 6 p.m.

967
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,280
 We will see in council chambers at 630.

968
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:53,880
 Thank you.

969
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:57,080
 Good evening and welcome to the city of Denton's planning and zoning commission meeting for

970
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:00,840
 Wednesday, June 22, 2022.

971
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:05,400
 With the quorum present, I will call us to order at 631 p.m.

972
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:09,600
 Let the record show that Commissioner Smith is absent tonight.

973
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:13,480
 First item on our agenda is the Pledge of Allegiance to the U.S. and Texas Flags.

974
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:21,280
 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for

975
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:29,920
 which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

976
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:41,720
 On Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to the Texas one state, under God, one nation.

977
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:42,720
 Thank you.

978
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:51,560
 Next item on our agenda is the Consider Approval of Planning and Zoning Minutes for June 8th.

979
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:58,400
 Chair can entertain discussion or a motion.

980
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,120
 We're not seeing the button to make a motion.

981
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:03,800
 Our board does not seem to be working to do that.

982
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:04,800
 All right.

983
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:10,120
 Why don't we -- let's -- there we go.

984
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:11,120
 Commissioner Anderson.

985
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,880
 Make a motion to approve the minutes.

986
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:14,880
 Commissioner Villarreal.

987
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:15,880
 Second.

988
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:16,880
 All right.

989
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:18,680
 We've got a first and a second for approval of the June 8th minutes.

990
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:19,680
 Any discussion?

991
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:20,680
 Okay.

992
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:26,380
 Let's vote on the board, please.

993
01:01:26,380 --> 01:01:28,160
 That motion carries 6-0.

994
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:33,960
 That takes us to item 3, Consent Agenda for this evening.

995
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:43,920
 Is there a motion or discussion on the floor for Consent Agenda?

996
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:44,920
 Commissioner Pruitt.

997
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,760
 I'll move to approve the Consent Agenda.

998
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:48,760
 Commissioner Villarreal.

999
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:49,760
 Second.

1000
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:53,920
 We've got a first and a second to approve the Consent Agenda this evening.

1001
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:54,920
 Any discussion?

1002
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:55,920
 Okay.

1003
01:01:55,920 --> 01:02:00,720
 Seeing none, let's vote on the board, please.

1004
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:05,880
 Okay.

1005
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:07,600
 That motion carries 6-0.

1006
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:11,720
 It takes us to item 4, Items for Individual Consideration.

1007
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:16,840
 4A is V-2-2-0-0-0-3.

1008
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:18,000
 And I know Mia's not here.

1009
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,280
 Who's presenting that item this evening?

1010
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:25,320
 Pretend -- there you are.

1011
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:31,040
 Hello there.

1012
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:32,040
 Good evening.

1013
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:34,720
 Give me one quick second.

1014
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:35,720
 Hi.

1015
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:42,320
 Good evening, Chair, members of the commission, Preet Hanidashmuk, Transportation Planning,

1016
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:46,580
 and I have a brief presentation on the item this evening.

1017
01:02:46,580 --> 01:02:52,560
 This is related to London Dairy Multifamily, and start with a summary of the request.

1018
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:58,660
 We are requesting a variance for constructing a driveway approach that does not meet our

1019
01:02:58,660 --> 01:03:01,000
 transportation criteria manual.

1020
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:07,440
 And there are a couple actual criteria is that it does not meet the minimum distance

1021
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:13,120
 of driveways between driveways that are on opposite side of the street has to be 75 feet.

1022
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:17,960
 And the other criteria it doesn't meet is driveways on the same side of the street have

1023
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:21,360
 to be 100 feet.

1024
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:23,760
 A quick overview of the site.

1025
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:30,320
 If you can follow the cursor, this is Sambas Boulevard, and it bends and becomes east-west

1026
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:33,000
 London Dairy, which finally connects to Teasley.

1027
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,200
 That's where the site is located.

1028
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:40,880
 It is on the northeast bend of London Dairy and Sambas Boulevard.

1029
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:47,640
 As you can notice, there is significant tree canopy in this north side, and we are requesting

1030
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:56,080
 a variance of a driveway that will be approximately located within this red circle area that will

1031
01:03:56,080 --> 01:04:01,640
 not follow our current design standards.

1032
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:05,680
 It's approximately 80 feet from a driveway that's on the same side of the street and

1033
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:10,000
 30 feet from a driveway that's on the opposite side of the street.

1034
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:11,800
 Here are the details.

1035
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:17,280
 You can actually see that the driveway on the opposite side is approximately 30, a little

1036
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:24,840
 over 30 feet from the driveway that is proposed for this particular project, and it is a little

1037
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:29,920
 over 80 feet from an existing driveway that stands about here.

1038
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:33,320
 So considerations and recommendations.

1039
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:39,880
 This variance, particular variance, is considered hardship variances, and there are several...

1040
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:43,400
 We have to evaluate it based on several items.

1041
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:45,360
 We've looked at all of them.

1042
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:51,400
 The applicant has submitted a TIA and expects minimal traffic, so there is very minimal

1043
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,040
 impact to safety.

1044
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:56,720
 That's one of the main items that we'll have looked at.

1045
01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:01,720
 The actual lot is an L-shaped lot, and there is significant coverage, so one of the things

1046
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:08,000
 we are trying to do is achieve our city's minimum tree preservation requirements, and

1047
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:12,320
 that's why the proposed building is slightly shifted, which has impacted the location of

1048
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,320
 the driveway.

1049
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:21,120
 And then the third one is to allow for it to meet the city's landscaping and tree preservation

1050
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:27,560
 criteria, and then also having a two-point access for this particular site.

1051
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:37,680
 So based on all of the evaluations that we've had, staff at this time recommends approval

1052
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:41,400
 of this variance request.

1053
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:45,840
 Okay.

1054
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:48,840
 Any questions for Preetam?

1055
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:51,120
 Okay.

1056
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:52,120
 I do not see any.

1057
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:53,120
 Thank you very much.

1058
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:54,120
 Thank you.

1059
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:55,120
 Commissioner Villareal.

1060
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:58,600
 I move approval of the variance request.

1061
01:05:58,600 --> 01:05:59,600
 Commissioner Pruitt.

1062
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:00,600
 I'll second.

1063
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:04,600
 I'm really glad that we have this requirement, but I'm also glad in this case that we have

1064
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,000
 a variance procedure.

1065
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:11,440
 This road, while there are parking issues, as were pointed out in the work sessions,

1066
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:15,760
 we have a plan to address that, and it's not a road that's going to see a lot of traffic

1067
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:20,920
 or it's not two driveways of public streets that are going to cut off or make it difficult

1068
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:23,960
 for children to cross the road, so I'm comfortable with it.

1069
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:24,960
 Thanks.

1070
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:28,080
 We've got a first and a second for approval of the request.

1071
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:29,080
 Any further discussion?

1072
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:30,080
 Okay.

1073
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:41,360
 Let's go ahead and vote on the board, please.

1074
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:43,200
 That motion carries 6-0.

1075
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:46,600
 That will take us to 4B, FP 220018.

1076
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:48,640
 Hi, Angie.

1077
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:54,520
 Hi, good evening, all.

1078
01:06:54,520 --> 01:07:03,560
 Angie Mingler, senior planner.

1079
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:14,600
 This is a final request for FP 220018 for a single lot of 22 acres to the west side

1080
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:17,780
 of Mayhill Road at the southern terminus of North Star.

1081
01:07:17,780 --> 01:07:22,080
 At this time, staff is recommending denial as it does not meet all of our approval criteria.

1082
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:26,360
 However, staff has no objection to the requested extension, which could be granted to a date

1083
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:27,800
 of July 13th.

1084
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:28,800
 Okay.

1085
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:29,800
 Go ahead.

1086
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:30,800
 Thank you.

1087
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:31,800
 Any questions?

1088
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:32,800
 Okay.

1089
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:35,640
 Thank you so much.

1090
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:36,640
 Commissioner Anderson.

1091
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:40,200
 Make a motion to approve the extension to date certain of July 13th.

1092
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:41,200
 Okay.

1093
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:42,200
 Commissioner Villarreal.

1094
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:43,200
 Second.

1095
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:44,200
 Okay.

1096
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:46,680
 We've got a first and a second for approval of the extension request to a date certain

1097
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:48,240
 of July 13th.

1098
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:49,240
 Any discussion?

1099
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:50,240
 Okay.

1100
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:51,240
 Seeing none.

1101
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:59,600
 Let's vote on the board, please.

1102
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:01,320
 That motion carries 6-0.

1103
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:06,640
 That will take us to 4C, PP 22003.

1104
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:11,560
 Hello, Ashley.

1105
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:14,800
 Good evening.

1106
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:17,520
 Ashley Hickok, assistant planner, City of Denton.

1107
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:23,120
 This is a preliminary plat for 51 residential lots at the intersection of 2499 and Hickory

1108
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:24,600
 Creek Road.

1109
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:28,840
 Staff recommends approval of this plat as it does meet all of the criteria for approval.

1110
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:30,120
 Happy to answer any questions.

1111
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:31,120
 Great.

1112
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:32,120
 Thanks.

1113
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:33,120
 Questions?

1114
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:34,120
 Okay.

1115
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:36,720
 I see none.

1116
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:37,720
 Thank you.

1117
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:38,720
 Commissioner Villarreal.

1118
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:39,720
 Move to approve.

1119
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:40,720
 Okay.

1120
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:42,920
 We've got a first for approval.

1121
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:43,920
 Commissioner Pruitt.

1122
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:44,920
 A second.

1123
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:45,920
 Okay.

1124
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:47,920
 We've got a second for approval.

1125
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:48,920
 Any discussion?

1126
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:49,920
 Okay.

1127
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:58,160
 Let's vote on the board, please.

1128
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:00,040
 That motion carries 6-0.

1129
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:06,840
 That will take us to 4D, PP 220011, one by Julie Wyatt.

1130
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,320
 Hi, Julie.

1131
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:10,320
 Good evening.

1132
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:13,040
 Julie Wyatt, senior planner with the City of Denton.

1133
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:18,360
 I know we talked about this in work session, but I just wanted to remind you that we are

1134
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:22,940
 considering a preliminary plat and a final plat on tonight's agenda with the preliminary

1135
01:09:22,940 --> 01:09:26,960
 plat being considered first for the Woodrow multifamily.

1136
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:32,520
 This was something that we did quite regularly prior to the Shot Clock legislation, but after

1137
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:35,840
 that legislation was enacted, we don't see it as often.

1138
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:38,760
 We take the projects in a more linear fashion.

1139
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:42,120
 That said, I want to talk about these individual projects.

1140
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:45,560
 The first one is PP 220011A.

1141
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:50,200
 This is a preliminary plat for the Woodrow multifamily project.

1142
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:55,720
 The subject property is located on the east side of Woodrow, south of McKinney.

1143
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:58,800
 The plat meets all of the city's criteria for approval.

1144
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:04,440
 However, we are recommending a conditional approval because it is being considered in

1145
01:10:04,440 --> 01:10:07,240
 conjunction with a specific use permit.

1146
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:11,800
 The subject property zoning is suburban corridor, which requires a specific use permit for their

1147
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:14,560
 proposed use of multifamily.

1148
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:18,040
 You're going to be considering that specific use permit tonight, and then it's going on

1149
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:23,640
 to city council next week if it moves forward tonight.

1150
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:30,240
 We are recommending that condition related to the SUP, and that if the SUP is not approved

1151
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:31,760
 then the plat would expire.

1152
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:35,680
 I'll be happy to answer any questions.

1153
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:40,600
 Is there questions for Julie from the commission?

1154
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:46,200
 I do have some cards with this item number on them, but I'm wondering if you want to

1155
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:50,720
 speak on the public hearing item with regard to the SUP.

1156
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:56,800
 This item is the preliminary plat, which is kind of a ministerial thing for us.

1157
01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:03,280
 If it meets all the criteria as far as how it's presented, then we must take action on

1158
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:04,280
 it.

1159
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:12,360
 You are welcome to speak on that, but if what you want to speak about is the SUP, I would

1160
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:15,280
 suggest we wait to the public hearing.

1161
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:18,680
 With that, I will call out ... I do have William Clark.

1162
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:24,160
 William, did you want to speak here, or did you want to wait for the public hearing?

1163
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:30,240
 I'll be honest, I'm not too familiar with all the proceedings and terms.

1164
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:32,240
 Can you come down to the podium and we can talk?

1165
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:52,320
 My name is William Clark and I live at 1109 Curley Street here in Denton.

1166
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:56,960
 I did want to speak on this issue, but I'm not real familiar with all the terminology

1167
01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:02,680
 and the terms, and what that means is the public hearing and whatever, but I can tell

1168
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:04,040
 you now that I am here to speak in opposition.

1169
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:07,840
 Of the plat or of the specific use permit for the multi-family?

1170
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:13,720
 The plat, the specific use, I mean, there's a lot of history and that's why I need time

1171
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:20,440
 to ... I don't know, I guess depending on you to tell me when the best time is.

1172
01:12:20,440 --> 01:12:24,660
 Go ahead, Tina.

1173
01:12:24,660 --> 01:12:25,660
 Let me see if I can help.

1174
01:12:25,660 --> 01:12:26,660
 Yeah.

1175
01:12:26,660 --> 01:12:33,400
 So tonight on the agenda we have a preliminary plat and a final plat, and then we also have

1176
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:38,880
 the specific use permit request associated with the multi-family request for the commission's

1177
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:41,960
 consideration.

1178
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:47,120
 The preliminary plat and the final plat, the commission has very little discretion, if

1179
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:48,860
 you will, on their action.

1180
01:12:48,860 --> 01:12:55,160
 They can either approve it or deny it or approve it with conditions.

1181
01:12:55,160 --> 01:13:02,160
 Because of the ministerial nature of the preliminary plat, the commission has very little discretion

1182
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:05,520
 in terms of their action, because it's either going to comply with all of our development

1183
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:07,880
 regulations or not.

1184
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:12,960
 The item that has more discretion available to it is the consideration of the specific

1185
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:15,920
 use permit request, which is the public hearing item.

1186
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:16,920
 Okay.

1187
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:20,040
 That's what I was concerned with, the specific use.

1188
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:24,000
 That's what I guess I should wait then to speak on.

1189
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:25,320
 And we will get to that.

1190
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:30,400
 That is our first public hearing item tonight, which comes up in two items, and I can call

1191
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:31,640
 your name again for that item.

1192
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:32,640
 Okay.

1193
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:33,640
 That's fine.

1194
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:34,640
 Thank you.

1195
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:35,640
 And that will be the public hearing portion of our...

1196
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:36,640
 Sorry for breaking the call.

1197
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:38,680
 You have nothing to be sorry for at all.

1198
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:42,920
 This is a little bit confusing just because we have so much happening with the project

1199
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:44,520
 all at the same time.

1200
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:46,760
 And Commissioner Ellis, if I could add.

1201
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:53,080
 So just for the folks in the audience benefit, so the preliminary plat that Julie just gave

1202
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:56,760
 the overview on it, it has conditions associated with it.

1203
01:13:56,760 --> 01:14:01,800
 So one of the conditions is subject to approval of the specific use permit.

1204
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:06,480
 So because that item occurs later on the agenda and the city council has the final decision

1205
01:14:06,480 --> 01:14:12,040
 authority on the specific use permit, the commission is able to go ahead and move forward

1206
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:15,340
 with consideration of the plats this evening.

1207
01:14:15,340 --> 01:14:20,920
 So if the commission chooses to approve the plat with the conditions this evening, one

1208
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:26,720
 of the conditions that has to be satisfied is city council approving the zoning.

1209
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:30,280
 Council could also choose to deny the zoning request.

1210
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:34,840
 So if council eventually denies the zoning request, then these plats would be automatically

1211
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:37,000
 expired.

1212
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:44,600
 So just want to let you all know that if the commission chooses to approve the plat, that

1213
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:50,280
 still gives them the flexibility to be able to render a separate decision on the specific

1214
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:52,400
 use permit action tonight.

1215
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:58,000
 And then also council will have that consideration of that specific use permit.

1216
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:05,720
 With that being said, were there any questions for Julie on the preliminary plot?

1217
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:06,720
 Okay.

1218
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:07,720
 Commissioner Anderson.

1219
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:12,720
 Make a motion to approve the plat with the staff recommendations.

1220
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:13,720
 Conditions.

1221
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:14,720
 Okay.

1222
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:15,720
 Commissioner Cole.

1223
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:16,720
 Second.

1224
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:20,740
 Second for approval with the conditions noted.

1225
01:15:20,740 --> 01:15:21,740
 Any discussion?

1226
01:15:21,740 --> 01:15:22,740
 Okay.

1227
01:15:22,740 --> 01:15:34,120
 Let's vote on the board, please.

1228
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:38,360
 That motion carries 5-1.

1229
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:47,480
 That will take us to 4EFP-220019.

1230
01:15:47,480 --> 01:15:51,000
 Hello again, Julie.

1231
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:52,520
 Good evening, Julie Wyatt.

1232
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:55,040
 This is a final plat for that previous item.

1233
01:15:55,040 --> 01:16:00,280
 Once again, the subject property is located along Woodrow.

1234
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:05,440
 It meets all the technical requirements for the city of Denton, but we are recommending

1235
01:16:05,440 --> 01:16:10,360
 approval with conditions, one that the civil engineering plans must be approved prior to

1236
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:14,720
 final approval of the final plat, and any changes that would be required on the final

1237
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:20,720
 plat as a result of the civil engineering plans may be necessary.

1238
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:27,000
 The multifamily use, the specific use permit for that must be approved prior to final approval

1239
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:31,720
 of the final plat, and then if that SUP is not approved by council, then the final plat

1240
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:32,720
 would expire.

1241
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:35,760
 I'll be happy to answer any questions.

1242
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:36,760
 Okay.

1243
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:39,940
 Any questions for Julie?

1244
01:16:39,940 --> 01:16:43,280
 Thank you.

1245
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:44,280
 Commissioner Anderson?

1246
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:52,400
 I'll make a motion to approve the plat based on staff recommendations.

1247
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:53,400
 Okay.

1248
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:54,400
 Commissioner Cole?

1249
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:55,400
 Second.

1250
01:16:55,400 --> 01:17:01,200
 We have a first and a second for approval with stated conditions.

1251
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:03,880
 Discussion?

1252
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:12,600
 Let's vote on the board, please.

1253
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:19,120
 That motion carries five-one, taking us to our public hearing portion of the evening,

1254
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:23,720
 5A, S220002.

1255
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:31,560
 I will invite Julie Wyatt up again this presentation, and I will open the public hearing.

1256
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:38,560
 Good evening, Julie Wyatt, Senior Planner with the City of Denton.

1257
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:43,960
 I'm presenting S220002D, Pathway on Woodrow.

1258
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:50,040
 I won't go, I'll go kind of through the slides kind of quickly because this item has gone

1259
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:54,040
 before you, but we'll just take a little time to just talk through it.

1260
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:57,720
 The request before you is for a specific use permit for multifamily dwellings.

1261
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:04,240
 The subject property is located on the east side of Woodrow, south of McKinney.

1262
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:08,800
 The zoning for the property is SC District, which requires approval of a specific use

1263
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,280
 permit for that multifamily use.

1264
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:16,200
 Additionally, there is a riparian buffer along the eastern property boundary of the subject

1265
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:17,200
 site.

1266
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:21,840
 I'm not proposing any impacts to that ESA area.

1267
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:23,880
 Just quickly talk about the site plan.

1268
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:29,880
 They're proposing 285 units in three, I'm sorry, six three-story buildings.

1269
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:33,400
 The proposal also includes open space and recreation amenities.

1270
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:38,160
 There's a clubhouse, a pool, a dog park on site.

1271
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:43,280
 They are proposing 476 parking spaces as well as bicycle parking.

1272
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:50,440
 There are two vehicular connections, two duchess shown outlined in yellow on your screen.

1273
01:18:50,440 --> 01:18:55,520
 They're also proposing to construct the entire width of duchess from Woodrow to their eastern

1274
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:58,800
 boundary, which is one of our mobility plan roads.

1275
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:03,400
 It's intended to be a secondary arterial within the city.

1276
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:07,980
 As part of the construction of duchess, they are proposing a 10-foot shared use path along

1277
01:19:07,980 --> 01:19:12,580
 the north side of that street that would accommodate both pedestrians and bicycles.

1278
01:19:12,580 --> 01:19:18,240
 They're also proposing to extend that 10-foot shared use path along their frontage on Woodrow

1279
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:21,720
 consistent with our bike plan.

1280
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:28,160
 The buildings are sited to frame that street corner along Woodrow and duchess as shown

1281
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:32,440
 in the purple boxes.

1282
01:19:32,440 --> 01:19:37,320
 The proposal is consistent with our Denton 2040 comprehensive plan.

1283
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:41,840
 There's really four areas that we looked at in the comp plan related to this proposal.

1284
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:44,440
 First, the future land use map.

1285
01:19:44,440 --> 01:19:49,480
 The future land use map designates this subject property as well as the entire area as moderate

1286
01:19:49,480 --> 01:19:50,920
 residential.

1287
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:54,680
 Moderate residential is intended for four to 12 dwelling units per acre.

1288
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:59,400
 It's also intended for transition areas between single-family neighborhoods and areas of higher

1289
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:00,400
 intensity.

1290
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:04,720
 While the subject properties or the subject request has a density a little higher than

1291
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:09,880
 what moderate density intends, because of the context of the area and its adjacency

1292
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:17,820
 to that employment center at the corner of McKinney and Woodrow, as well as the adjacency

1293
01:20:17,820 --> 01:20:20,240
 to one of our arterials in town.

1294
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:24,920
 This density makes sense then to allow it to transition to lower densities as you move

1295
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:27,520
 toward the east.

1296
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:32,000
 Also in the comprehensive plan, the city is anticipating growth.

1297
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:36,280
 We're anticipating substantial growth between now and 2040, and as part of that growth,

1298
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:41,160
 we need housing to accommodate all of those new residents.

1299
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:44,120
 This proposal is consistent with that housing demand.

1300
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:46,060
 It's also near our urban core.

1301
01:20:46,060 --> 01:20:48,360
 It's close to our downtown area.

1302
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:55,600
 It meets that need near our areas that are already developed, and also serves that compact

1303
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:57,040
 development pattern.

1304
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:59,260
 Woodrow's an existing right of way.

1305
01:20:59,260 --> 01:21:01,720
 It's served with existing water and sewer.

1306
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:04,640
 It just serves for that infill development piece.

1307
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:11,560
 The preferred land preservation plan, that's really related to our ESAs and our floodplains.

1308
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:16,600
 They are not proposing to impact that ESA area on their eastern side, so it is consistent

1309
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:18,720
 with that portion of the comp plan.

1310
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:20,520
 Then finally, our housing goals.

1311
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:25,780
 Our housing goals encourage us to meet the needs of all of our residents, and we should

1312
01:21:25,780 --> 01:21:31,440
 be providing a diverse array of housing in both choice, type, and location, and this

1313
01:21:31,440 --> 01:21:38,200
 serves that need, as well as expand the availability of housing choice for members in our community

1314
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:42,280
 who need affordable housing.

1315
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:46,280
 We also look within the SUP at the compatibility of the surrounding area.

1316
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:51,040
 It's really one of the major tenants of SUPs, and we not only look at what's immediately

1317
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:55,120
 adjacent to the property, but also within the larger context.

1318
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:59,960
 In this particular area, it's a little difficult to see, but the site is outlined here in yellow,

1319
01:21:59,960 --> 01:22:05,180
 and as I mentioned, it is adjacent to Woodrow, just on the eastern side.

1320
01:22:05,180 --> 01:22:10,100
 Woodrow is a secondary arterial within our city, as I mentioned, and this site is also

1321
01:22:10,100 --> 01:22:12,520
 adjacent to some nodes of activity.

1322
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:17,080
 You've got a lot of county offices just to the west of the subject property, as well

1323
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:23,920
 as some commercial uses at that intersection of McKinney and Woodrow, so that node of activity.

1324
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:27,400
 Multifamily can be an important part of our mixed use centers.

1325
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:33,680
 It provides that necessary housing for not only places of employment, but also for our

1326
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:35,840
 commercial areas.

1327
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:39,040
 It's also consistent with the surrounding design.

1328
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:41,320
 We looked at the surrounding multifamily.

1329
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:44,160
 There is multifamily within the area.

1330
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:49,680
 We looked at how they were designed, and the proposal, the garden style apartment, it is

1331
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:55,120
 consistent with what's existing, providing those onsite amenities like pools and club

1332
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:56,120
 houses.

1333
01:22:56,120 --> 01:23:02,300
 The density of 24 dwelling units per acre is pretty consistent with the surrounding area,

1334
01:23:02,300 --> 01:23:07,640
 and then that development scale of three stories is also consistent with the surrounding area.

1335
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:13,240
 And then the zoning, SC, the subject property has SC zoning, as well as properties to the

1336
01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:19,760
 south and to the north of the site, and we anticipate that those areas will develop with

1337
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:24,040
 uses in a development scale and intensity consistent with the proposal.

1338
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:28,280
 So the project is consistent with that surrounding area, as well as the goals of the comprehensive

1339
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:29,760
 plan.

1340
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:33,400
 Public outreach was sent out in accordance with our DENT development code.

1341
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:37,440
 We did it for the first meeting, as well as with this reconsideration meeting.

1342
01:23:37,440 --> 01:23:43,360
 We've received three notices in favor of the request, or responses in favor, sorry, and

1343
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:46,520
 those are shown in green on your screen.

1344
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:50,960
 So based upon the criteria for approval, staff is recommending approval of the request.

1345
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:57,080
 I won't read all of the conditions, but we do attach conditions to SUPs as well as the

1346
01:23:57,080 --> 01:24:02,320
 site plan and landscape plan to ensure that if the project is approved, that it would

1347
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:05,880
 develop in a manner consistent with what was shown at PNZ.

1348
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:07,800
 I'll be happy to answer any questions.

1349
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:10,280
 The applicant is here to answer questions as well.

1350
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:11,280
 Great.

1351
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:12,280
 Thank you, Julie.

1352
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:13,280
 Commissioner McDade.

1353
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:14,280
 Thank you.

1354
01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:19,720
 Julie, could you go back to, well, yeah, you sent out the notices?

1355
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:20,720
 Yes, sir.

1356
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:21,720
 Okay.

1357
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:23,520
 I'm looking at the 500-foot buffer.

1358
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:27,480
 Is that a neighborhood or is that just an empty field?

1359
01:24:27,480 --> 01:24:31,600
 I don't know exactly.

1360
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:37,720
 So we do send out notices to property owners within 200 feet of a request and then to utility

1361
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:40,240
 customers within 500 feet of the request.

1362
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:41,240
 Okay.

1363
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:47,560
 Given the site's location, the 200-foot boundary clipped some vacant property to the south

1364
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:52,360
 and to the west, as well as the multifamily or two multifamily projects to the north and

1365
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:56,640
 some commercial uses, as well as some county offices.

1366
01:24:56,640 --> 01:25:02,240
 The 500-foot boundary also clipped essentially the same areas, adding in some park property

1367
01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:06,060
 as well as those, a larger portion of those county offices.

1368
01:25:06,060 --> 01:25:07,060
 Okay.

1369
01:25:07,060 --> 01:25:14,760
 On the west, I'm looking at, well, I don't know what way I'm looking at this because

1370
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:18,660
 I'm trying to figure out where this property actually is because you keep saying the corner

1371
01:25:18,660 --> 01:25:22,560
 of Woodrow and McKinney, but McKinney's nowhere near that.

1372
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:24,560
 You're looking at 1,300 feet from McKinney.

1373
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:25,560
 Correct.

1374
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:26,560
 Yes, sir.

1375
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:31,120
 That's why I'm trying to figure out the 500-foot buffer on all four areas with no neighborhood

1376
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:32,700
 or was it just...

1377
01:25:32,700 --> 01:25:37,200
 There are no neighborhoods within 500 feet of the request, just those county offices.

1378
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:38,200
 And the jail.

1379
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:39,200
 Yes, sir.

1380
01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:40,200
 The jail.

1381
01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:41,200
 They have no vote.

1382
01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:46,400
 Okay, I was just curious because I wasn't sure how I was looking at this to where exactly

1383
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:47,680
 in a neighborhood or just...

1384
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:48,680
 Sure.

1385
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:49,680
 Absolutely.

1386
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:50,680
 Yes, sir.

1387
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:51,680
 All right.

1388
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:52,680
 Thank you.

1389
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:56,960
 And Julie, you might want to say how it's drawn for every request, how the boundary

1390
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:57,960
 is drawn?

1391
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:00,920
 Of the request or of the...

1392
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:05,080
 How we draw the 200 and 500-foot buffer of every request.

1393
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:12,560
 So we take the property boundary and we measure out linearly that 200-foot boundary and it

1394
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:19,520
 encompasses all of that area within 200 feet out from the subject site and then again from

1395
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:20,920
 the 500 feet.

1396
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:22,800
 So it takes in all of that buffer.

1397
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:23,800
 Did that...

1398
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:24,800
 Yeah, I just wanted to...

1399
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:29,400
 Yeah, it explained, yeah, for the public of how we do it.

1400
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:32,280
 It's done the same way for any public hearing request.

1401
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:36,560
 And sometimes that encompasses undeveloped properties, sometimes it encompasses businesses

1402
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:40,680
 or governmental buildings or apartment complexes or what have you.

1403
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:46,300
 So just depends on where the site is and what's around it.

1404
01:26:46,300 --> 01:26:47,300
 Of course, Tina.

1405
01:26:47,300 --> 01:26:52,000
 Just for the benefit of those that are in the audience, so the 200-foot notification

1406
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:56,800
 requirement, we are required to notify all property owners based on the latest approved

1407
01:26:56,800 --> 01:27:00,820
 tax rules that own property per state law.

1408
01:27:00,820 --> 01:27:05,920
 So the additional 500-foot notification, the courtesy postcards that we send out, that's

1409
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:10,720
 what we, the City of Denton, do as a courtesy to our residents and property owners within

1410
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:11,800
 our community.

1411
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:16,980
 So we go above and beyond what the minimum state law requirement is for a specific use

1412
01:27:16,980 --> 01:27:18,400
 permit request.

1413
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:19,400
 Thanks.

1414
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:20,400
 Commissioner Villarreal.

1415
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:24,040
 I have a couple of questions for the applicant.

1416
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:25,040
 Okay.

1417
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:27,760
 I haven't invited them up yet, so we're still on Julie questions.

1418
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:28,760
 Apologies.

1419
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:29,760
 No worries.

1420
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:30,760
 Okay.

1421
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:31,760
 Is Julie at the moment?

1422
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:32,760
 Okay.

1423
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:33,760
 Thank you, Julie.

1424
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:34,760
 Thank you.

1425
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:42,480
 Does the applicant have a presentation for us, or are you just?

1426
01:27:42,480 --> 01:27:54,200
 I'm going to take that as a yes.

1427
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:55,200
 Maybe.

1428
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:56,200
 Is that better?

1429
01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:57,200
 All right.

1430
01:27:57,200 --> 01:27:58,200
 There you go.

1431
01:27:58,200 --> 01:27:59,200
 Good afternoon.

1432
01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:00,840
 Good afternoon, commissioners.

1433
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:01,840
 Great.

1434
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:11,080
 Karsten Lowe, 19240 Redland Road, Suite 114, San Antonio, Texas, 78259.

1435
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:17,320
 So we are Pathway, we're an affordable housing developer, and so we're actually here to speak

1436
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:19,840
 to you today about Pathway on Woodrow.

1437
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:28,200
 It's a 285-unit multifamily development for, it's 100% affordable, with 85% of the units

1438
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:35,160
 being for individuals earning 60% or below area median income, and 15% of the units for

1439
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:38,400
 applicants earning 30% or below area median income.

1440
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:42,680
 So one of the highest thresholds of affordability that can be had for the low-income housing

1441
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:44,760
 tax credit program.

1442
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:49,180
 So as you can see, when we were picking the site, we were looking at the proximity.

1443
01:28:49,180 --> 01:28:56,100
 We saw the major thoroughfare of Woodrow Parkway, the close proximity to downtown, the fact

1444
01:28:56,100 --> 01:28:59,940
 that it's two miles from the nearest Kroger.

1445
01:28:59,940 --> 01:29:04,940
 All the schools are in close proximity, and so we were looking at this as the ultimate

1446
01:29:04,940 --> 01:29:08,440
 benefits of a multifamily community.

1447
01:29:08,440 --> 01:29:13,320
 And so as a part of this, we went and we reached out to several members of the community.

1448
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:16,040
 We reached out to the county judge.

1449
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:22,600
 We reached out to the school board, and so we've attempted to obtain community support

1450
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:24,680
 throughout the entire process.

1451
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:31,560
 According to community neighbors, we've had our first neighborhood meeting prior to the

1452
01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:35,360
 first time we came and spoke to y'all, and then again, we are having another community

1453
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:40,960
 meeting on the 27th of June at the Martin Luther King Center, and that's going to be

1454
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:42,620
 at 6 p.m.

1455
01:29:42,620 --> 01:29:48,280
 And so for us, we want to build something that will benefit the community, but for people

1456
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:52,160
 to serve the needs and meet the needs of affordability in the city of Denton.

1457
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:55,740
 And so this is a part of a larger concept.

1458
01:29:55,740 --> 01:29:59,800
 This whole census tract is widely undeveloped because there is so much floodplain in the

1459
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:05,960
 area, but we see this as just a part of the housing for the census tract.

1460
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:12,760
 You can see in the top, our 285 units is going to be part of a larger master plan community.

1461
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:19,080
 So the entity we're purchasing this from is also the holder of the rest of this land,

1462
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:24,960
 and so their ultimate goal is to develop this, is to put more single-family units on the

1463
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:25,960
 ground.

1464
01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:32,720
 So specifically, as Julie said, there's going to be six three-story garden-style buildings,

1465
01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:39,700
 and we wanted to have an emphasis on just overall infrastructure and, you know, being

1466
01:30:39,700 --> 01:30:46,580
 sure that we're meeting access plans, connectivity to Mack Park and the immediate back border,

1467
01:30:46,580 --> 01:30:49,240
 as well as having community amenities.

1468
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:53,440
 We're going to have over 2,800 square foot community center that's going to have after

1469
01:30:53,440 --> 01:30:54,640
 school programs.

1470
01:30:54,640 --> 01:31:02,900
 It's going to provide other support for just the various residents of our community, along

1471
01:31:02,900 --> 01:31:06,520
 with a resort-style pool, playscapes.

1472
01:31:06,520 --> 01:31:10,760
 Throughout the development, there's going to be all Energy Star appliances, granite

1473
01:31:10,760 --> 01:31:13,320
 countertops, hard surface flooring throughout.

1474
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:20,120
 So we take pride in our developments, and so this is an example elevation of what we're

1475
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:22,440
 proposing the development's going to look like.

1476
01:31:22,440 --> 01:31:27,560
 We also do market-rate developments, and we use the same architects.

1477
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:29,000
 We use the same interior designers.

1478
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:30,940
 We use the same civil engineers.

1479
01:31:30,940 --> 01:31:35,480
 We want our product to be as high-quality of a development as we possibly can.

1480
01:31:35,480 --> 01:31:39,640
 And so you can see here, this is just an example of one of our developments in San Antonio,

1481
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:46,040
 but we have everything from walk-in showers, on-site management.

1482
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:49,640
 And so we believe that this development will add to the City of Denton.

1483
01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:54,240
 It will provide much needed affordable housing, while still being a quality development that

1484
01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:57,140
 furthers the need for affordable housing.

1485
01:31:57,140 --> 01:32:03,320
 And so we also have one of the partners, Darren Woodson, here to speak on behalf of the development.

1486
01:32:03,320 --> 01:32:05,720
 Thank you.

1487
01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:11,400
 Darren Woodson, 5614 Boca Raton, Dallas, Texas.

1488
01:32:11,400 --> 01:32:12,440
 First of all, thank you.

1489
01:32:12,440 --> 01:32:13,440
 Thank you for having me.

1490
01:32:13,440 --> 01:32:21,320
 This has been a pleasure to be around and really be a part of the City of Denton.

1491
01:32:21,320 --> 01:32:23,760
 The reason I'm here, and I got to give you my why.

1492
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:30,360
 My why is, for the longest time, I was a former Dallas Cowboy, played 13 years with the organization.

1493
01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:37,080
 After that, went on to be with ESPN as an analyst for another 13 years again, but my

1494
01:32:37,080 --> 01:32:38,960
 why was never my purpose.

1495
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:44,120
 My purpose today is to give back and provide social programming.

1496
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:46,280
 I'm on the board of United Way in Dallas.

1497
01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:50,760
 I'm on the board of Make-A-Wish Foundation in C5, Texas.

1498
01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:55,120
 My why is to give and serve the community.

1499
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:58,440
 At Woodrow, what we're doing, at Pathway of Woodrow, what we're trying to provide in-house

1500
01:32:58,440 --> 01:33:07,880
 on the club, in the club facility is after-school programming, laptops, financial literacy classes.

1501
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:14,220
 We are also providing $25,000 scholarships annually to the community.

1502
01:33:14,220 --> 01:33:15,220
 We want to give.

1503
01:33:15,220 --> 01:33:16,220
 We want to serve.

1504
01:33:16,220 --> 01:33:17,220
 We understand what we're trying to do.

1505
01:33:17,220 --> 01:33:18,220
 We want a partner.

1506
01:33:18,220 --> 01:33:22,600
 One thing we're going to do as far as who we are is we're going to be there for 15 years.

1507
01:33:22,600 --> 01:33:23,600
 We can't get out.

1508
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:26,520
 We cannot sell this property for 15 years.

1509
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:32,700
 We want to be a partner here in Denton for the long haul, and in doing so, we know we

1510
01:33:32,700 --> 01:33:34,960
 have to serve and we have to give.

1511
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:37,480
 As Carson mentioned, we know where we are.

1512
01:33:37,480 --> 01:33:39,040
 We're not in a food desert.

1513
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:45,440
 We're 1.7 miles, actually, Carson, from the local Kroger, right down the street from Rivera

1514
01:33:45,440 --> 01:33:46,440
 Elementary School.

1515
01:33:46,440 --> 01:33:47,800
 Denton Ryan is not there.

1516
01:33:47,800 --> 01:33:52,000
 We know we're going to serve the kids and the children in that community, and it's our

1517
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:58,240
 goal to have everyone, like I would say, graduate and then get into their own single family

1518
01:33:58,240 --> 01:33:59,840
 home from there.

1519
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:05,120
 That's a win-win for us, but again, we want to be a long, long-term, and we will be a

1520
01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:06,120
 long-term partner.

1521
01:34:06,120 --> 01:34:07,760
 Again, thank you for having me.

1522
01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:08,760
 Thank you.

1523
01:34:08,760 --> 01:34:12,560
 Appreciate you.

1524
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:13,880
 Anybody else?

1525
01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:14,880
 Okay.

1526
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:20,720
 Commissioner Villarreal, I know you had a question for the applicant, correct?

1527
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:22,200
 Hello.

1528
01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:23,560
 Hi.

1529
01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:24,840
 I'm Diane Baker.

1530
01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:28,640
 I'm a long-term resident of Denton.

1531
01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:35,480
 I went to T.W. and graduated, coached there, and been there forever, and I joined the Housing

1532
01:34:35,480 --> 01:34:41,080
 Authority a year and a half ago, and I'm going to introduce my president in a minute.

1533
01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:43,040
 I'm vice president.

1534
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:49,000
 It came to my notice very quickly that we had to have two things happen.

1535
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:55,400
 One, as a city of Denton, I was very concerned about what I was seeing in the streets, and

1536
01:34:55,400 --> 01:35:01,720
 I felt like that the city as a whole, every entity of it, had to work together.

1537
01:35:01,720 --> 01:35:06,120
 We have to work together to fix our housing problem.

1538
01:35:06,120 --> 01:35:11,240
 We can't be one thing over here and another thing over there and another thing over here.

1539
01:35:11,240 --> 01:35:19,440
 The other thing that I saw was I was told that we had 2,500 people the first time around

1540
01:35:19,440 --> 01:35:20,920
 that did not have houses.

1541
01:35:20,920 --> 01:35:26,720
 Then it went up to 4,500 people that did not have houses.

1542
01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:33,840
 Now the last count that I have is 6,500 people in Denton, Texas, one of the best cities in

1543
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:37,200
 the country, do not have housing.

1544
01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:42,880
 I do not care if our housing is on the top of T.W.'s tower at the president's deal.

1545
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:48,000
 We have to have housing, and we have to join together to come together to figure out how

1546
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:50,400
 we can do that.

1547
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:52,280
 I am in support of this.

1548
01:35:52,280 --> 01:35:54,800
 We as a committee worked very hard.

1549
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:56,560
 We looked at the pros and cons.

1550
01:35:56,560 --> 01:36:02,360
 I think this will be good for Denton, Denton, Texas will prosper for this.

1551
01:36:02,360 --> 01:36:07,800
 If I can introduce my president, Beverly Bryant, for a couple words, thank you very much.

1552
01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:08,800
 Thank you.

1553
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:09,800
 Okay.

1554
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:19,160
 Yeah, I got a little bit confused if we were still on the applicant presentation or not.

1555
01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:22,100
 It sounded like we were for a moment there.

1556
01:36:22,100 --> 01:36:28,120
 Come on up, Beverly, and then I'm going to tie things and straighten things out here.

1557
01:36:28,120 --> 01:36:29,120
 All right.

1558
01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:30,120
 So I am Beverly Bryant.

1559
01:36:30,120 --> 01:36:35,280
 I am the chair for the Denton Housing Authority, and as the Denton Housing Authority chair,

1560
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:40,980
 we see the need for affordable housing in Denton County as we have this crisis across

1561
01:36:40,980 --> 01:36:41,980
 the country.

1562
01:36:41,980 --> 01:36:49,480
 So I am here in support of this Pathway Woodrow project as it will bring 285 affordable, 100%

1563
01:36:49,480 --> 01:36:51,600
 affordable units to our community.

1564
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:53,040
 Thanks, Beverly.

1565
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:59,280
 Okay, so I'm going to circle back and head back to where I thought we were, which was

1566
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:00,840
 the applicant presentation.

1567
01:37:00,840 --> 01:37:03,760
 So Commissioner Villarreal, did you have a question for the applicant?

1568
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:04,760
 Yeah, a couple questions.

1569
01:37:04,760 --> 01:37:08,480
 Okay, I'm going to let you ask that now, and then we're going to move to some public comments.

1570
01:37:08,480 --> 01:37:12,420
 So at the last Southeast Denton Neighborhood Association meeting, there was a good amount

1571
01:37:12,420 --> 01:37:16,800
 of contention and concern regarding this SEP and associated project.

1572
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:22,460
 I fully understand that the neighborhood did not fall within the 500-foot boundary to legally

1573
01:37:22,460 --> 01:37:27,200
 be required, but their neighborhood will be greatly affected by this project, and they

1574
01:37:27,200 --> 01:37:30,240
 are within about 1,000 feet of the proposed project.

1575
01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:33,120
 Have you had the opportunity to discuss this project with community members and leaders

1576
01:37:33,120 --> 01:37:35,440
 in Southeast Denton?

1577
01:37:35,440 --> 01:37:37,680
 So yes, Commissioner Villarreal.

1578
01:37:37,680 --> 01:37:43,000
 So we've spoken with the individual local leaders, both with the Denton Housing Authority,

1579
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:49,680
 we've spoken with Councilwoman Byrd, we've spoken with the mayor about this development.

1580
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:53,840
 Throughout the process, we have done our best to get involved in community engagement, and

1581
01:37:53,840 --> 01:38:00,320
 to your point, we plan to continue to do so, and that's why we're also coinciding our meeting

1582
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:06,200
 with an existing neighborhood meeting on that 27th of this month, is to be able to speak

1583
01:38:06,200 --> 01:38:11,620
 to that and to be able to address those concerns, because we do value the community's opinion

1584
01:38:11,620 --> 01:38:12,620
 greatly.

1585
01:38:12,620 --> 01:38:16,020
 So that did answer my second question, which was that you will be at the SED and the meeting

1586
01:38:16,020 --> 01:38:17,020
 this month?

1587
01:38:17,020 --> 01:38:18,020
 Correct.

1588
01:38:18,020 --> 01:38:19,020
 Gotcha.

1589
01:38:19,020 --> 01:38:20,020
 I have one more question.

1590
01:38:20,020 --> 01:38:24,300
 At the May 11th P&Z meeting, members of the applicant's team referred to the project as

1591
01:38:24,300 --> 01:38:33,200
 both "a new Class A community" and simultaneously as an "artificial buffer" between the jail

1592
01:38:33,200 --> 01:38:35,520
 and a future single-family development.

1593
01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:39,600
 I think word choice and intention matter, and I believe all Dentonites should be treated

1594
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:43,440
 with dignity and respect, especially to working-class folks who will make up the development's

1595
01:38:43,440 --> 01:38:45,360
 hypothetical renters.

1596
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:48,720
 Do you envision this project as a community built to give working-class families, including

1597
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:52,600
 many single mothers and children, a respectable apartment to live?

1598
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:56,000
 Or is it simply a buffer for the higher-end single-family development you'll have planned

1599
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:57,000
 for the future?

1600
01:38:57,000 --> 01:38:58,400
 And you're exactly right.

1601
01:38:58,400 --> 01:39:02,240
 Word choice does matter, and we must have misspoken, and so I apologize on behalf of

1602
01:39:02,240 --> 01:39:03,760
 the development team.

1603
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:08,840
 But I will say that this is going to be a development for the single mothers, for the

1604
01:39:08,840 --> 01:39:10,840
 families, for the students.

1605
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:13,780
 We're going to have programs to build up the community.

1606
01:39:13,780 --> 01:39:19,100
 This is not something where we're attempting to necessarily buffer, per se, for the sake

1607
01:39:19,100 --> 01:39:21,760
 of some other single-family investor somewhere.

1608
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:26,720
 We are building this development for the city of Denton, for the affordable housing residents,

1609
01:39:26,720 --> 01:39:32,680
 for the people that can be lifted up and empowered through the programs that we plan to provide.

1610
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:34,680
 Appreciate it.

1611
01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:36,680
 Commissioner McDade?

1612
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:37,680
 Thank you, Chair.

1613
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:43,080
 I may need Denton Housing at the podium with you all, so this question is going to be a

1614
01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:44,080
 two-part one.

1615
01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:45,080
 Yes, sir.

1616
01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:46,080
 Okay.

1617
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:51,680
 But at the last meeting that you had, you had it broken down about how many apartments

1618
01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:52,680
 or one bedroom.

1619
01:39:52,680 --> 01:39:54,120
 Do you have that documentation?

1620
01:39:54,120 --> 01:39:55,120
 Yes, sir.

1621
01:39:55,120 --> 01:40:10,480
 I can go pull that, or actually I believe ... I'll pull it up for you right now.

1622
01:40:10,480 --> 01:40:11,480
 Okay.

1623
01:40:11,480 --> 01:40:14,240
 So you had it broken down and you also had the prices out, so that's ...

1624
01:40:14,240 --> 01:40:15,240
 Yes, sir.

1625
01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:20,240
 Let me get that in my notes here.

1626
01:40:20,240 --> 01:40:21,240
 Perfect.

1627
01:40:21,240 --> 01:40:29,920
 We have 102 one-bedroom units, 111 two-bedroom units, 51 three-bedroom units, and 21 four-bedroom

1628
01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:30,920
 units.

1629
01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:34,920
 I'll pull up the rental prices as well.

1630
01:40:34,920 --> 01:40:40,920
 But at the last meeting, I know the one-bedroom you had it at 548, and the four-bedroom you

1631
01:40:40,920 --> 01:40:48,080
 had at 758, but I think I saw in the city council meeting, I want to check the price

1632
01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:52,600
 of the four-bedroom because I do believe you haven't laid one brick, but you've already

1633
01:40:52,600 --> 01:40:54,520
 raised the prices.

1634
01:40:54,520 --> 01:41:02,720
 So the way our rents are regulated is through HUD, so all of our rental prices, we don't

1635
01:41:02,720 --> 01:41:04,000
 make those prices.

1636
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:07,260
 That's determined by the federal government and HUD.

1637
01:41:07,260 --> 01:41:11,680
 So they base it off the area median income of Denton County.

1638
01:41:11,680 --> 01:41:16,040
 So those numbers we're giving you, yes, they're correct, but they're subject to change basically

1639
01:41:16,040 --> 01:41:19,280
 based upon what HUD gives us.

1640
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:20,280
 Okay.

1641
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:30,120
 And now ... Thank you.

1642
01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:34,680
 I just need you to walk me through because I mean, I don't know how housing authority

1643
01:41:34,680 --> 01:41:35,680
 works.

1644
01:41:35,680 --> 01:41:40,080
 I really don't, but I'm looking at ... When I think about affordable housing, I think

1645
01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:46,920
 of a couple with two or three children.

1646
01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:53,600
 And I'm looking at ... You have the one-bedroom, you have 102 one-bedrooms, and you have 111

1647
01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:54,920
 two-bedrooms.

1648
01:41:54,920 --> 01:41:59,600
 I'm trying to figure out the demographic of what you're actually trying to get into those

1649
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:06,400
 apartments, because if I'm married and I have a daughter and a son, I know Denton Housing

1650
01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:09,480
 Authority, I don't think they allow them to share a bedroom, so that'd knock me out of

1651
01:42:09,480 --> 01:42:10,480
 the two-bedroom.

1652
01:42:10,480 --> 01:42:12,600
 Is that how it works?

1653
01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:13,600
 Yeah, that is.

1654
01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:18,880
 Actually, Denton really needs more one-bedrooms, so one-bedrooms was ... When we seen the number

1655
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:23,800
 of one-bedrooms we could get with this development, it was really a big bonus, because seniors

1656
01:42:23,800 --> 01:42:24,800
 also can live in this.

1657
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:31,720
 That's true, yeah, like I said, and I normally, I relate when I hear affordable housing, not

1658
01:42:31,720 --> 01:42:37,760
 only to seniors veterans, but I'm thinking of single parents with multiple children.

1659
01:42:37,760 --> 01:42:43,800
 And that's why I can say, this is what drew me to a no at the last meeting, because had

1660
01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:48,520
 those numbers been reversed and you had more the three and four bedrooms, I wouldn't have

1661
01:42:48,520 --> 01:42:49,520
 an issue with that.

1662
01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:53,520
 But I know you need more single bedrooms and two bedrooms, but I'm looking at the people

1663
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:59,360
 who are going to be left out, because if I have two children, I'm already knocked out

1664
01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:04,920
 of the 102 and I'm knocked out of the 111, I have less than a 25% chance of even getting

1665
01:43:04,920 --> 01:43:09,760
 into this project, and that's what really ... I didn't understand that, and that's why

1666
01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:15,480
 I was a no, because I can say, I don't really understand how the Housing Authority works,

1667
01:43:15,480 --> 01:43:21,360
 but I know the one and two bedrooms, you leave out a big majority of the people who actually

1668
01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:24,480
 need affordable housing.

1669
01:43:24,480 --> 01:43:28,200
 Thank you.

1670
01:43:28,200 --> 01:43:30,400
 Commissioner Pruitt, did you have a question for the applicant?

1671
01:43:30,400 --> 01:43:33,720
 Yes, thank you, Chair.

1672
01:43:33,720 --> 01:43:37,840
 Since a couple of times the affordability and rents and that sort of things have comes

1673
01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:42,680
 up, I just want to try to set the stage for how these projects work a little bit.

1674
01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:47,800
 I know we could have a master's degree in LIHTC and I don't want to go there, but I

1675
01:43:47,800 --> 01:43:52,200
 just want to make sure I'm understanding when I look at the map correctly.

1676
01:43:52,200 --> 01:43:58,840
 When I look at HUD's map, I don't see any qualified census districts north of University

1677
01:43:58,840 --> 01:43:59,840
 Drive.

1678
01:43:59,840 --> 01:44:07,800
 They're kind of clustered in the south of Denton, and my understanding is that those

1679
01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:13,240
 low income housing tax credit developments, if they are within a qualified district, provide

1680
01:44:13,240 --> 01:44:19,000
 a certain percentage equity boost that essentially allows you to provide more affordable units.

1681
01:44:19,000 --> 01:44:20,000
 Correct.

1682
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:25,000
 My follow up then is, I know you haven't run the numbers, but just from your experience

1683
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:34,200
 seeing LIHTC, that's really hard to say, sorry, properties like this, what percentage more

1684
01:44:34,200 --> 01:44:39,000
 of affordable units do you get when they're placed in a district like this?

1685
01:44:39,000 --> 01:44:44,680
 Yeah, so it's not necessarily amount of number of more affordable units, it actually boils

1686
01:44:44,680 --> 01:44:51,040
 down to whether or not you can financially develop the actual development itself.

1687
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:56,120
 With rising construction costs and interest rates and the myriad of other challenges that

1688
01:44:56,120 --> 01:45:03,360
 COVID and just this environment poses, candidly, if we didn't have a tax credit boost, which

1689
01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:08,360
 is either a qualified census tract or a difficult to development area, and that's also, like

1690
01:45:08,360 --> 01:45:14,240
 you said, on the map from HUD, we could not develop this particular development in Denton.

1691
01:45:14,240 --> 01:45:15,240
 Okay.

1692
01:45:15,240 --> 01:45:16,240
 Thank you.

1693
01:45:16,240 --> 01:45:17,240
 Okay.

1694
01:45:17,240 --> 01:45:23,880
 I don't see any other questions for the applicant at this time, so I am going to start calling

1695
01:45:23,880 --> 01:45:26,080
 cards that I have.

1696
01:45:26,080 --> 01:45:32,080
 Nathaniel Johnson.

1697
01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:39,760
 If you will come down and state your name and address, your time will begin to speak.

1698
01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:40,760
 Hi.

1699
01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:46,360
 I wasn't expecting to be the first one to speak because I was the last one to get a

1700
01:45:46,360 --> 01:45:47,360
 card.

1701
01:45:47,360 --> 01:45:48,360
 But my name is Nathaniel Johnson.

1702
01:45:48,360 --> 01:45:56,840
 I live at 6109 Thurbray Trail, Denton, Texas, 76210.

1703
01:45:56,840 --> 01:46:03,760
 Something that I've heard speak in favor of this tonight, don't live in the black community.

1704
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:12,540
 This particular development won't have a negative impact on the homeowners that have been residing

1705
01:46:12,540 --> 01:46:16,040
 in the black neighborhood in Southeast Denton.

1706
01:46:16,040 --> 01:46:20,240
 With this development, you're going to increase the traffic that's going to come through the

1707
01:46:20,240 --> 01:46:22,360
 black community.

1708
01:46:22,360 --> 01:46:28,680
 And those of us that are familiar with Woodrow and Marth, right now it's hard to get onto

1709
01:46:28,680 --> 01:46:30,800
 Marth from Woodrow.

1710
01:46:30,800 --> 01:46:37,600
 So if you're going to add 86 kids to Thomas Rivera, now you're adding 86 more cars to

1711
01:46:37,600 --> 01:46:39,080
 the traffic.

1712
01:46:39,080 --> 01:46:46,000
 Also, these gentlemen here that are in favor of it, nine times out of 10, once this deal

1713
01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:48,760
 is done, you don't see them again.

1714
01:46:48,760 --> 01:46:50,600
 So we need to focus on that.

1715
01:46:50,600 --> 01:46:57,960
 With this SUP, once you open the door for them, who's to say that they're going to be the

1716
01:46:57,960 --> 01:46:59,800
 only developers to come?

1717
01:46:59,800 --> 01:47:03,020
 So you have 285 units with them.

1718
01:47:03,020 --> 01:47:08,000
 And then when someone else comes with another SUP, then you're going to add another 285,

1719
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:14,920
 another 300, and it's just going to be basically impossible to move around in that community

1720
01:47:14,920 --> 01:47:18,920
 because people are going to leave Woodrow trying to go down Marth Street because right

1721
01:47:18,920 --> 01:47:20,800
 now, Shady Oaks is hard to get onto.

1722
01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:26,880
 They're going to hit Morris, then go to Robertson, Chambers, Ruth, all the different avenues

1723
01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:30,920
 to get there impacting the residents that live there.

1724
01:47:30,920 --> 01:47:33,400
 And the Denver is a big city.

1725
01:47:33,400 --> 01:47:34,680
 There's other places that they can do it.

1726
01:47:34,680 --> 01:47:40,240
 Affordable housing just don't have to be in the black neighborhood or the black part of

1727
01:47:40,240 --> 01:47:41,240
 town.

1728
01:47:41,240 --> 01:47:47,080
 I mean, because with this, you really, it's just an inconvenience to the people.

1729
01:47:47,080 --> 01:47:51,920
 But not saying that people don't deserve a place to live, let me clear that up.

1730
01:47:51,920 --> 01:47:52,920
 Not saying that.

1731
01:47:52,920 --> 01:47:57,880
 What I'm saying is this project, if it's that good, it's that great, it could be put somewhere

1732
01:47:57,880 --> 01:48:02,200
 else in the city versus impacting the people that live here.

1733
01:48:02,200 --> 01:48:07,520
 So if you turn a blind eye to the residents who have homes, property, invested in this

1734
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:17,240
 city for over 50 years, for an area of, for basically profit making money down the line,

1735
01:48:17,240 --> 01:48:23,880
 because they haven't said in 15 years, after this contract is over, does the price go up

1736
01:48:23,880 --> 01:48:25,760
 after 15 years?

1737
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:27,200
 Once that's done, does it go up?

1738
01:48:27,200 --> 01:48:30,320
 They haven't answered that question, only if anybody's ever asked it.

1739
01:48:30,320 --> 01:48:34,160
 So when they come to the center meeting, expect to fight it because I'm going to have more

1740
01:48:34,160 --> 01:48:35,160
 questions.

1741
01:48:35,160 --> 01:48:36,760
 I'm going to have more questions.

1742
01:48:36,760 --> 01:48:38,900
 And that's my time.

1743
01:48:38,900 --> 01:48:41,620
 Thank you, Mr. Johnson.

1744
01:48:41,620 --> 01:48:59,240
 Next, Mr. Clark.

1745
01:48:59,240 --> 01:49:00,240
 Hello again.

1746
01:49:00,240 --> 01:49:01,240
 Hello again.

1747
01:49:01,240 --> 01:49:02,240
 I'm William Clark.

1748
01:49:02,240 --> 01:49:04,760
 I live at 1109 Curley Street in Texas.

1749
01:49:04,760 --> 01:49:05,760
 Thank you.

1750
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:06,760
 76205.

1751
01:49:06,760 --> 01:49:12,340
 Mr. Johnson pretty much hit on several things I already spoke of.

1752
01:49:12,340 --> 01:49:19,400
 I noticed that the 500 or 200, the distance or the perimeter or whatever that you had

1753
01:49:19,400 --> 01:49:25,240
 to get approval, none of us necessarily live in that area because it's a wooded area.

1754
01:49:25,240 --> 01:49:29,720
 I used to hunt there, you know, it's on the edge of town.

1755
01:49:29,720 --> 01:49:35,960
 But as he said earlier, we feel the effects of traffic every day.

1756
01:49:35,960 --> 01:49:41,040
 I've been fighting with the city of Denton for two years for traffic enforcement on our

1757
01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:42,040
 street.

1758
01:49:42,040 --> 01:49:43,040
 They drag race.

1759
01:49:43,040 --> 01:49:46,600
 Matter of fact, our street was torn up for a year.

1760
01:49:46,600 --> 01:49:51,200
 And now that it's paved and it looks real nice, I think they felt like that made it

1761
01:49:51,200 --> 01:49:53,400
 even better for drag strip.

1762
01:49:53,400 --> 01:49:56,760
 And I'm not exaggerating, most of the times if you step outside here, you can hear the

1763
01:49:56,760 --> 01:50:00,880
 noise and the drags was going up and down the street from this distance.

1764
01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:07,040
 I've asked for traffic assistance, you know, or more up beat patrol in our area because

1765
01:50:07,040 --> 01:50:09,080
 of this.

1766
01:50:09,080 --> 01:50:14,160
 We get signs put out that are right at the intersection, the digital signs that actually

1767
01:50:14,160 --> 01:50:16,320
 mark your speed.

1768
01:50:16,320 --> 01:50:20,520
 But they didn't place them where they needed to be, where they can actually collect data.

1769
01:50:20,520 --> 01:50:25,280
 That means either they don't want to because they have to do something about it or they're

1770
01:50:25,280 --> 01:50:27,300
 not real smart.

1771
01:50:27,300 --> 01:50:29,680
 So we already have enough with traffic.

1772
01:50:29,680 --> 01:50:32,280
 You're going to add, like you said, 285 units.

1773
01:50:32,280 --> 01:50:35,920
 You can't hardly get on to Woodrow certain times of the day.

1774
01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:43,040
 And forget turning left off Morris headed Northbound on Woodrow pretty much all day.

1775
01:50:43,040 --> 01:50:48,240
 And I heard it said earlier that you want to accommodate people, all four people having

1776
01:50:48,240 --> 01:50:49,240
 housing.

1777
01:50:49,240 --> 01:50:50,240
 Everybody has a place to live.

1778
01:50:50,240 --> 01:50:53,600
 I hate seeing somebody without just some place to cover their head.

1779
01:50:53,600 --> 01:50:55,680
 But what about accommodating the people that have been there?

1780
01:50:55,680 --> 01:50:58,040
 I've been there most of my life.

1781
01:50:58,040 --> 01:51:02,320
 Except for when I went to college and came back home and I've served my community.

1782
01:51:02,320 --> 01:51:03,400
 My parents have.

1783
01:51:03,400 --> 01:51:07,200
 We've been there for over 100 years.

1784
01:51:07,200 --> 01:51:11,280
 And the first I've heard of this now that supposedly they spoke with people from the

1785
01:51:11,280 --> 01:51:16,880
 community, the mayor and the commission, the city council lady.

1786
01:51:16,880 --> 01:51:21,720
 I didn't hear about this until yesterday or yeah, yesterday.

1787
01:51:21,720 --> 01:51:22,720
 And that's easy to say.

1788
01:51:22,720 --> 01:51:27,440
 And again, I'm not trying to stop anybody from having a place to live, but we need some

1789
01:51:27,440 --> 01:51:29,360
 consideration.

1790
01:51:29,360 --> 01:51:30,360
 We have enough.

1791
01:51:30,360 --> 01:51:36,960
 And also, like Mr. Johnson took all my points, but anyway, if it's a good idea, everybody's

1792
01:51:36,960 --> 01:51:42,960
 all for affordable housing, it pulls the tugs at your heartstrings, but not in my community.

1793
01:51:42,960 --> 01:51:46,000
 It always ends up over here.

1794
01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:50,360
 And nobody is doing anything about or for the residents that are here.

1795
01:51:50,360 --> 01:51:51,880
 We've been fighting, like I said, for two years.

1796
01:51:51,880 --> 01:51:53,520
 I've been chased by dogs.

1797
01:51:53,520 --> 01:51:55,680
 I've had to kill dogs in my yard.

1798
01:51:55,680 --> 01:51:59,200
 I've had to protect my 87-year-old mother from packs of dogs.

1799
01:51:59,200 --> 01:52:04,360
 I've had to kill dogs for killing my livestock and my pastor in the back, protect my neighbor,

1800
01:52:04,360 --> 01:52:06,440
 my wife who is disabled.

1801
01:52:06,440 --> 01:52:10,480
 And I'm the guy that's the troublemaker.

1802
01:52:10,480 --> 01:52:14,040
 And I've heard this and they don't know that I know, but I'm retired law enforcement 30

1803
01:52:14,040 --> 01:52:15,040
 years.

1804
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:19,400
 I think I know a little bit about serving people and about what crime and what affordable

1805
01:52:19,400 --> 01:52:21,640
 housing means.

1806
01:52:21,640 --> 01:52:26,280
 And I'm not saying that everybody is poor, is a bad person, we all know better than that.

1807
01:52:26,280 --> 01:52:29,280
 But we do know the things that tend to come with that.

1808
01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:31,560
 Let's just be honest.

1809
01:52:31,560 --> 01:52:36,840
 And you're adding us to take on another burden with less patrol, with less security, less

1810
01:52:36,840 --> 01:52:38,760
 response from law enforcement.

1811
01:52:38,760 --> 01:52:45,000
 Now some of these other places in town, and yes, I do have an inside track on some things,

1812
01:52:45,000 --> 01:52:49,380
 they can complain, they'll dedicate resources to it, and not only that, but they'll go back

1813
01:52:49,380 --> 01:52:53,480
 and go door to door to say, "Hey, how are we doing, are you happy with our response?"

1814
01:52:53,480 --> 01:52:55,120
 I don't talk to anybody.

1815
01:52:55,120 --> 01:52:59,720
 They show up in my yard for me calling them for a 911 call, I'm standing here with a pistol

1816
01:52:59,720 --> 01:53:01,720
 keeping dogs off my family.

1817
01:53:01,720 --> 01:53:05,960
 And they're more concerned about me as a retired law enforcement officer with a handgun on

1818
01:53:05,960 --> 01:53:06,960
 my own property.

1819
01:53:06,960 --> 01:53:09,660
 Then they never asked my mom, "Was anybody bitten?

1820
01:53:09,660 --> 01:53:10,660
 Anybody hurt?"

1821
01:53:10,660 --> 01:53:11,660
 I'm sorry, that's my time.

1822
01:53:11,660 --> 01:53:12,660
 That's okay.

1823
01:53:12,660 --> 01:53:13,660
 You can finish up.

1824
01:53:13,660 --> 01:53:14,660
 We're fed up.

1825
01:53:14,660 --> 01:53:16,520
 And then you're bringing something else.

1826
01:53:16,520 --> 01:53:21,240
 Now we'll be dealing with that and we won't get a response when we need it.

1827
01:53:21,240 --> 01:53:22,240
 That's all I have to say.

1828
01:53:22,240 --> 01:53:25,240
 Thank you, Mr. Clark.

1829
01:53:25,240 --> 01:53:36,120
 I'm going to call up another card I have, Cynthia.

1830
01:53:36,120 --> 01:53:46,920
 I'm sorry, Cynthia, I cannot read your last name.

1831
01:53:46,920 --> 01:53:51,160
 Hello, please state your name and address and your time will begin.

1832
01:53:51,160 --> 01:53:52,160
 Hi, everyone.

1833
01:53:52,160 --> 01:53:53,160
 My name is Cynthia Cochran.

1834
01:53:53,160 --> 01:53:54,160
 What else I need?

1835
01:53:54,160 --> 01:53:55,160
 My address?

1836
01:53:55,160 --> 01:53:56,160
 Yes, please.

1837
01:53:56,160 --> 01:54:04,200
 I live at 2420 East McKinney Street, Denton, Texas, 76209.

1838
01:54:04,200 --> 01:54:07,520
 Thank you.

1839
01:54:07,520 --> 01:54:13,480
 I was coming out tonight, I just have a few little things that I would like to say.

1840
01:54:13,480 --> 01:54:21,200
 I hope everybody in here got feelings and everybody's not living in situations that

1841
01:54:21,200 --> 01:54:25,160
 different people lives in, everybody got different living quarters.

1842
01:54:25,160 --> 01:54:36,080
 But first of all, I would just like to say we as Southeast Denton citizens and renters

1843
01:54:36,080 --> 01:54:41,880
 or either home buyers, whatever we are, and we've been in Southeast Denton for quite a

1844
01:54:41,880 --> 01:54:47,600
 long time, we are over packed in Southeast Denton.

1845
01:54:47,600 --> 01:54:52,720
 I don't think it's enough room for us to ride bicycles through these streets over in

1846
01:54:52,720 --> 01:54:54,960
 Southeast Denton.

1847
01:54:54,960 --> 01:55:01,840
 It's like every time something comes up, I tell them when we have our meetings and things

1848
01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:06,960
 that it's Southeast Denton is like we trash cans.

1849
01:55:06,960 --> 01:55:10,640
 Everything that happens, we get trash dumped on top of us.

1850
01:55:10,640 --> 01:55:14,160
 We are so crowded over there right now.

1851
01:55:14,160 --> 01:55:20,000
 And I'm not saying either, I want everybody to have a place to live, and I'm not down

1852
01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:27,900
 in anything, but I just would like to say that's going to be more crime.

1853
01:55:27,900 --> 01:55:31,040
 We don't have no parking spaces.

1854
01:55:31,040 --> 01:55:40,480
 We are just basically overcrowded, but everything always comes back to Southeast Denton.

1855
01:55:40,480 --> 01:55:48,260
 So I'm just kind of figuring is Southeast didn't the only spot that got property or

1856
01:55:48,260 --> 01:55:54,120
 I don't know what's going on in Southeast Denton, but we are crowded and packed.

1857
01:55:54,120 --> 01:56:00,520
 And I would just like to say, I just don't think to me, it would be a good idea for us

1858
01:56:00,520 --> 01:56:07,120
 to get, we already have more houses and stuff over there now that we trying to pose that

1859
01:56:07,120 --> 01:56:10,240
 they bring in to us in Southeast Denton.

1860
01:56:10,240 --> 01:56:14,560
 And with this project, that's going to be an action when added on to it.

1861
01:56:14,560 --> 01:56:19,360
 So like I say, we are packed, we're crowded, after a while we're going to ride bicycles.

1862
01:56:19,360 --> 01:56:21,800
 We barely can get through our streets now.

1863
01:56:21,800 --> 01:56:23,960
 It's just overcrowded and packed.

1864
01:56:23,960 --> 01:56:28,000
 So anyway, I was just here and wanted you all to know this.

1865
01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:31,060
 So thank you for letting me speak.

1866
01:56:31,060 --> 01:56:36,640
 Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

1867
01:56:36,640 --> 01:56:44,920
 Next card I have is Audrey Battle.

1868
01:56:44,920 --> 01:56:49,800
 Hello, you'll say your name and address, your time will begin.

1869
01:56:49,800 --> 01:56:56,720
 I live at 723 Hill Alley, I have been there for over 20 years and I have been a resident

1870
01:56:56,720 --> 01:57:03,240
 of Denton for over 50 years, came from Louisiana and moved here once on my own home.

1871
01:57:03,240 --> 01:57:10,120
 I am here on behalf of my grandkids that's coming up.

1872
01:57:10,120 --> 01:57:15,080
 Southeast Denton has been an area that I have lived on and I'm looking at something right

1873
01:57:15,080 --> 01:57:19,080
 here in Woodrow Lane.

1874
01:57:19,080 --> 01:57:26,200
 And it says it's at 1.365 feet of land.

1875
01:57:26,200 --> 01:57:37,560
 East McKinney coming on Woodrow Lane, bell-bouncing, bell-bouncing, bell-bouncing, then the courthouse.

1876
01:57:37,560 --> 01:57:48,680
 Then when you get south of Woodrow Lane, it's a car lot, then there is business place.

1877
01:57:48,680 --> 01:57:54,200
 But then when you get a little further, they have property and there's an all-well sitting

1878
01:57:54,200 --> 01:58:00,380
 in the field that they dug up back in the early '20s.

1879
01:58:00,380 --> 01:58:08,600
 We have suffered in Southeast Denton, we had one grocery store, Winn-Dixie, they took it

1880
01:58:08,600 --> 01:58:09,600
 from us.

1881
01:58:09,600 --> 01:58:20,520
 Now we have to go east, we have to go north, west, and we have to travel in to go get groceries.

1882
01:58:20,520 --> 01:58:26,780
 Then they rezoned on last year, the year before my granddaughter could ride the bus to get

1883
01:58:26,780 --> 01:58:28,800
 to the school where she was going.

1884
01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:35,080
 But they rezoned it in that area, then all of a sudden when we find out she could not

1885
01:58:35,080 --> 01:58:36,720
 even ride the bus.

1886
01:58:36,720 --> 01:58:42,220
 So when are they going to stop rezoning in our area and move somewhere else?

1887
01:58:42,220 --> 01:58:48,660
 We need affordable houses, we need homes, but who are they for?

1888
01:58:48,660 --> 01:58:52,040
 And who are benefiting from them?

1889
01:58:52,040 --> 01:58:57,240
 The thing it is in Southeast Denton that we need, we don't get it.

1890
01:58:57,240 --> 01:59:00,040
 And that is a grocery store.

1891
01:59:00,040 --> 01:59:07,680
 The old people that cannot drive, they have to get on the bus to get to the grocery store.

1892
01:59:07,680 --> 01:59:11,640
 When are we going to get what we need in our neighborhood?

1893
01:59:11,640 --> 01:59:18,720
 We pay tax, we live in the area, we want to help people, we want to do things.

1894
01:59:18,720 --> 01:59:22,520
 But everything that is affordable is not for us.

1895
01:59:22,520 --> 01:59:29,040
 And everything that is coming in our neighborhood is to benefit someone that don't live there.

1896
01:59:29,040 --> 01:59:35,480
 So when is it going to be the people that have been in those area for all these years

1897
01:59:35,480 --> 01:59:37,400
 is going to benefit?

1898
01:59:37,400 --> 01:59:42,280
 Ms. Bailey is right here, she have to drive or get someone to take her to the grocery

1899
01:59:42,280 --> 01:59:43,280
 store.

1900
01:59:43,280 --> 01:59:45,640
 When is it going to benefit us?

1901
01:59:45,640 --> 01:59:48,780
 The school area is right there.

1902
01:59:48,780 --> 01:59:51,160
 We don't need nothing else.

1903
01:59:51,160 --> 01:59:54,200
 We have the Martin Luther King Salmon.

1904
01:59:54,200 --> 01:59:56,400
 What else is coming in?

1905
01:59:56,400 --> 02:00:00,880
 Do something to benefit the people in the neighborhood.

1906
02:00:00,880 --> 02:00:04,840
 Thank y'all and y'all have a blessed evening.

1907
02:00:04,840 --> 02:00:06,760
 Thank you.

1908
02:00:06,760 --> 02:00:09,440
 Next card I have is Melody Manuel.

1909
02:00:09,440 --> 02:00:17,320
 I'm very new to this, but I heard about this project and I felt like I was supposed to

1910
02:00:17,320 --> 02:00:18,320
 show up.

1911
02:00:18,320 --> 02:00:21,320
 Then the note said that if you write a note, it won't be noted.

1912
02:00:21,320 --> 02:00:22,800
 So here I am.

1913
02:00:22,800 --> 02:00:25,600
 Will you state your name and address for the record, please?

1914
02:00:25,600 --> 02:00:27,360
 My name is Melody Woodson Manuel.

1915
02:00:27,360 --> 02:00:32,800
 I live at 1036 Remy Circle in Denton, 76205.

1916
02:00:32,800 --> 02:00:41,920
 Now my address is about 1300, 1400 feet away from the stop sign that is at Morse and Woodrow.

1917
02:00:41,920 --> 02:00:46,160
 Like these others that have spoken already, can't add too much to what they've said, but

1918
02:00:46,160 --> 02:00:51,880
 from my personal experience, for the last 30 years, well, I should say the last 10,

1919
02:00:51,880 --> 02:00:56,720
 15 years, it's gotten so crowded, you really can't turn left on Woodrow already.

1920
02:00:56,720 --> 02:01:03,760
 So to add 280 something apartments means many more cars, much more traffic, and I also fear

1921
02:01:03,760 --> 02:01:05,880
 more crime.

1922
02:01:05,880 --> 02:01:12,000
 So what I see this doing is overcrowding our area a whole lot more than what it already

1923
02:01:12,000 --> 02:01:14,040
 is.

1924
02:01:14,040 --> 02:01:16,860
 And I agree with the young lady that just spoke.

1925
02:01:16,860 --> 02:01:20,360
 Give us something that's going to really help our neighborhood and not hinder it.

1926
02:01:20,360 --> 02:01:27,000
 And I think that adding more apartments, more people is going to cause more issues.

1927
02:01:27,000 --> 02:01:32,760
 I went through with my kids, my grandkids that I had custody of a few years ago, because

1928
02:01:32,760 --> 02:01:38,120
 of the new apartments on McKinney Street, we got rezoned and instead of going to this

1929
02:01:38,120 --> 02:01:43,640
 school, the school that's in my neighborhood that's a block over, they ended up going to

1930
02:01:43,640 --> 02:01:47,640
 a school that's two miles away, three miles away.

1931
02:01:47,640 --> 02:01:53,320
 And then instead of going to McMath Middle School, they were going to Calhoun, all because

1932
02:01:53,320 --> 02:01:55,120
 of rezoning.

1933
02:01:55,120 --> 02:02:00,200
 If I had lived on Shady Shore, of course, they could have gone to the school they could

1934
02:02:00,200 --> 02:02:02,900
 have walked to, a street over.

1935
02:02:02,900 --> 02:02:08,560
 So these new apartments will cause new zoning because these kids would have to go to school

1936
02:02:08,560 --> 02:02:09,560
 somewhere.

1937
02:02:09,560 --> 02:02:11,560
 You're going to have four and three bedroom apartments there.

1938
02:02:11,560 --> 02:02:14,560
 They're going to have to go to school somewhere.

1939
02:02:14,560 --> 02:02:16,160
 And I agree again with what she said.

1940
02:02:16,160 --> 02:02:19,840
 It's going to be rezoned again and we're going to be pushed further out for more people

1941
02:02:19,840 --> 02:02:21,600
 coming into the neighborhood.

1942
02:02:21,600 --> 02:02:25,560
 Do something to help us and not hurt us.

1943
02:02:25,560 --> 02:02:26,720
 Thanks.

1944
02:02:26,720 --> 02:02:29,000
 Thank you.

1945
02:02:29,000 --> 02:02:33,080
 The next card I have is Collette Johnson.

1946
02:02:33,080 --> 02:02:37,160
 You'll state your name and address for the record.

1947
02:02:37,160 --> 02:02:38,160
 Your time will begin.

1948
02:02:38,160 --> 02:02:39,160
 Hi.

1949
02:02:39,160 --> 02:02:46,080
 My name is Collette Johnson and my address is 327 Rue Street in Texas, 76205.

1950
02:02:46,080 --> 02:02:47,880
 I've lived, well, I don't live there.

1951
02:02:47,880 --> 02:02:52,320
 My parents live there who are still married after 61 years.

1952
02:02:52,320 --> 02:02:53,880
 That's where I grew up there.

1953
02:02:53,880 --> 02:02:57,040
 And I'm here on behalf of the neighborhood group.

1954
02:02:57,040 --> 02:03:00,840
 I am president of the Southeast Indian Neighborhood Association.

1955
02:03:00,840 --> 02:03:05,080
 The association has been in business since 1999.

1956
02:03:05,080 --> 02:03:11,540
 We've had this neighborhood group and no one has contacted me about this project.

1957
02:03:11,540 --> 02:03:14,840
 No one has brought it to the group, nothing.

1958
02:03:14,840 --> 02:03:19,720
 So we are very disappointed because it seems like everything goes over our head and we

1959
02:03:19,720 --> 02:03:22,080
 know nothing about it.

1960
02:03:22,080 --> 02:03:24,840
 And we meet every fourth Monday.

1961
02:03:24,840 --> 02:03:25,840
 Everybody knows that.

1962
02:03:25,840 --> 02:03:27,800
 All you have to do is call MLK.

1963
02:03:27,800 --> 02:03:30,480
 Everyone knows when the neighborhood group meets.

1964
02:03:30,480 --> 02:03:34,700
 We have the MLK center there that has after school programs.

1965
02:03:34,700 --> 02:03:40,080
 So building these apartments just to enforce after school programs, we already have that.

1966
02:03:40,080 --> 02:03:46,280
 So like everyone else is saying, it's just gonna bring more traffic, more cut-throughs

1967
02:03:46,280 --> 02:03:48,340
 through our neighborhood, Morris Street.

1968
02:03:48,340 --> 02:03:52,200
 We already have apartments being built by the cemetery.

1969
02:03:52,200 --> 02:03:57,720
 They should have been widening the cemetery, making more spaces for people because the

1970
02:03:57,720 --> 02:04:01,360
 cemetery, they're just burying people on top of each other.

1971
02:04:01,360 --> 02:04:06,720
 So if you wanna do something, let's make the cemetery bigger, but not more apartments.

1972
02:04:06,720 --> 02:04:08,320
 We already have apartments.

1973
02:04:08,320 --> 02:04:13,760
 We have eight acres where Habitat is building 35 houses in the neighborhood.

1974
02:04:13,760 --> 02:04:19,120
 So we have all this traffic coming along and like everyone says, yes, people need affordable

1975
02:04:19,120 --> 02:04:23,480
 housing, but everything does not have to go in southeast Denton.

1976
02:04:23,480 --> 02:04:26,440
 There are other places to put affordable housing.

1977
02:04:26,440 --> 02:04:27,740
 We already have it.

1978
02:04:27,740 --> 02:04:33,040
 We already have it and it's more other people living in it than people that's been there

1979
02:04:33,040 --> 02:04:34,040
 all their lives.

1980
02:04:34,040 --> 02:04:35,940
 They can't get anything.

1981
02:04:35,940 --> 02:04:42,280
 So we wanna know who is affordable housing for and why does it have to be built in our

1982
02:04:42,280 --> 02:04:43,280
 neighborhood?

1983
02:04:43,280 --> 02:04:44,880
 Like we have everything.

1984
02:04:44,880 --> 02:04:47,140
 Like they said, we need a grocery store.

1985
02:04:47,140 --> 02:04:49,280
 Build a grocery store for us right there.

1986
02:04:49,280 --> 02:04:50,280
 Be perfect.

1987
02:04:50,280 --> 02:04:54,520
 Yes, Kroger is a mile and seven or whatever, but it's busy.

1988
02:04:54,520 --> 02:05:00,800
 So this would be an added addition to the neighborhood that we could look forward to.

1989
02:05:00,800 --> 02:05:05,800
 But like I said, I think I heard them say that they were meeting on June the 27th at

1990
02:05:05,800 --> 02:05:06,800
 six o'clock.

1991
02:05:06,800 --> 02:05:07,800
 That's our meeting date.

1992
02:05:07,800 --> 02:05:10,000
 So I don't know if they're meeting with us.

1993
02:05:10,000 --> 02:05:14,880
 No one's told me or even let me know that there was a meeting going on, but this is

1994
02:05:14,880 --> 02:05:17,640
 our regular meeting Monday at six o'clock.

1995
02:05:17,640 --> 02:05:23,280
 So like I said, it just seems like everything is brought to you guys and pushed forward

1996
02:05:23,280 --> 02:05:25,280
 and we know nothing about it.

1997
02:05:25,280 --> 02:05:29,760
 So I'm proud that everyone came out tonight to speak, to let you know what's really going

1998
02:05:29,760 --> 02:05:30,760
 on.

1999
02:05:30,760 --> 02:05:34,520
 We didn't know this was going on until a couple of days ago.

2000
02:05:34,520 --> 02:05:38,040
 So I've been waiting on a phone call from somebody and I never got it.

2001
02:05:38,040 --> 02:05:42,140
 So we're just here to let you know that we don't want it.

2002
02:05:42,140 --> 02:05:43,320
 We just don't want it.

2003
02:05:43,320 --> 02:05:45,040
 Find somewhere else to build it.

2004
02:05:45,040 --> 02:05:48,880
 We're all for affordable housing, but just find somewhere else to put it.

2005
02:05:48,880 --> 02:05:50,680
 Thank you.

2006
02:05:50,680 --> 02:05:54,280
 I think we have a question for you, Commissioner Pruitt.

2007
02:05:54,280 --> 02:05:55,280
 Thank you, Chair.

2008
02:05:55,280 --> 02:05:56,280
 Ms. Johnson?

2009
02:05:56,280 --> 02:05:57,280
 That's fine.

2010
02:05:57,280 --> 02:05:59,120
 I just have a quick question for you.

2011
02:05:59,120 --> 02:06:03,300
 First of all, thank you for your service and volunteering with the Neighborhood Association

2012
02:06:03,300 --> 02:06:07,020
 and what you do.

2013
02:06:07,020 --> 02:06:12,840
 In trying to understand kind of some of the big concerns, is it your experience that maybe

2014
02:06:12,840 --> 02:06:17,880
 the traffic issues are the most worrisome?

2015
02:06:17,880 --> 02:06:18,880
 Traffic and crime.

2016
02:06:18,880 --> 02:06:19,880
 Okay.

2017
02:06:19,880 --> 02:06:20,880
 Thank you very much.

2018
02:06:20,880 --> 02:06:22,680
 Can I ask a question as well, please?

2019
02:06:22,680 --> 02:06:28,560
 So with this particular tract of land that we're dealing with tonight, which is this

2020
02:06:28,560 --> 02:06:34,280
 almost 12-acre tract off of Woodrow, what would you like to see develop there on those

2021
02:06:34,280 --> 02:06:35,280
 12 acres?

2022
02:06:35,280 --> 02:06:36,280
 First of all, we need a red light.

2023
02:06:36,280 --> 02:06:37,280
 It is zoned.

2024
02:06:37,280 --> 02:06:41,680
 Let me just say there needs to be a red light in Morrison-Woodrow because, like they said,

2025
02:06:41,680 --> 02:06:47,560
 it is way too hard to get off of Morris Street to make a left and when school is going on,

2026
02:06:47,560 --> 02:06:48,560
 it's impossible.

2027
02:06:48,560 --> 02:06:53,560
 I mean, take the time and come out and see and you'll see, we have been fighting for

2028
02:06:53,560 --> 02:06:54,560
 traffic.

2029
02:06:54,560 --> 02:06:55,560
 I understand.

2030
02:06:55,560 --> 02:06:59,040
 We're trying to work with the police to get something done about the cut-throughs.

2031
02:06:59,040 --> 02:07:04,320
 They're cutting through Morris Street to hurry up to get to the mall or to wherever people

2032
02:07:04,320 --> 02:07:08,520
 are going, but like I said, a grocery store would be nice.

2033
02:07:08,520 --> 02:07:10,760
 We just don't need more apartments.

2034
02:07:10,760 --> 02:07:16,680
 They're building apartments by our graveyard and we need the graveyard expanded, but we're

2035
02:07:16,680 --> 02:07:22,400
 getting apartments, so we're already getting apartments and habitat homes, 35 of them on

2036
02:07:22,400 --> 02:07:23,400
 eight acres.

2037
02:07:23,400 --> 02:07:28,040
 Okay, and I understand that you're talking about a much larger area.

2038
02:07:28,040 --> 02:07:29,720
 But just not more apartments.

2039
02:07:29,720 --> 02:07:33,440
 What we're talking about is just this particular piece of property.

2040
02:07:33,440 --> 02:07:35,120
 That's what we're really talking about tonight.

2041
02:07:35,120 --> 02:07:39,680
 That's what we have to deliberate on and make a decision about, is that particular tract

2042
02:07:39,680 --> 02:07:41,080
 of land that we saw up there.

2043
02:07:41,080 --> 02:07:43,080
 Yeah, but you asked what would we like to see?

2044
02:07:43,080 --> 02:07:44,680
 I'd say a grocery store.

2045
02:07:44,680 --> 02:07:45,680
 Okay.

2046
02:07:45,680 --> 02:07:46,680
 A grocery store.

2047
02:07:46,680 --> 02:07:47,680
 Madam Chair.

2048
02:07:47,680 --> 02:07:49,440
 I was about to call on you, Commissioner Dave.

2049
02:07:49,440 --> 02:07:54,760
 Yeah, I was going to say, I think it would be better if you explained to them how it's

2050
02:07:54,760 --> 02:08:00,840
 zoned now and what can be built on that property as it is zoned right now.

2051
02:08:00,840 --> 02:08:01,840
 I think it's an SC.

2052
02:08:01,840 --> 02:08:02,840
 The property is zoned SC.

2053
02:08:02,840 --> 02:08:05,840
 I think if you let them know what can actually be built on an SC, they would get a better

2054
02:08:05,840 --> 02:08:10,280
 understanding and they could tell you actually what they want on that property.

2055
02:08:10,280 --> 02:08:14,680
 And that's fine and it's more of a rhetorical question because we can't force any developer

2056
02:08:14,680 --> 02:08:16,080
 to build anything.

2057
02:08:16,080 --> 02:08:17,080
 Right.

2058
02:08:17,080 --> 02:08:23,160
 It is their land and if it's within the zoning, they can build it.

2059
02:08:23,160 --> 02:08:24,160
 Yes.

2060
02:08:24,160 --> 02:08:27,920
 The way our development code reads is they would like to put multi-family on here.

2061
02:08:27,920 --> 02:08:32,120
 They have to come and get a specific use permit in order to do that.

2062
02:08:32,120 --> 02:08:37,840
 That is the only residential use that can be built on this particular tract of land.

2063
02:08:37,840 --> 02:08:39,280
 It can't be single-family homes.

2064
02:08:39,280 --> 02:08:43,440
 It's not zoned for that.

2065
02:08:43,440 --> 02:08:46,640
 It could be a lot of things in SC.

2066
02:08:46,640 --> 02:08:50,040
 It could be a club, a lodge, a daycare.

2067
02:08:50,040 --> 02:08:56,440
 But again, you have to look at where this 11 and a half acres is too and realistically

2068
02:08:56,440 --> 02:09:00,320
 what is the developer going to come in and put there.

2069
02:09:00,320 --> 02:09:04,240
 That's really what we've got to focus on tonight.

2070
02:09:04,240 --> 02:09:09,000
 Yeah, but when they said something about a clubhouse being built there, all the kids

2071
02:09:09,000 --> 02:09:14,960
 are going to leave MLK Center, which is just a block and walk across Woodrow to a clubhouse

2072
02:09:14,960 --> 02:09:17,880
 when we already have after school situation there.

2073
02:09:17,880 --> 02:09:22,720
 Well, I think it's a clubhouse that's an amenity for the people who live there at the apartment.

2074
02:09:22,720 --> 02:09:26,520
 Children will try to get over there if it's something going on.

2075
02:09:26,520 --> 02:09:32,760
 But like I said, we meet Monday at 6 o'clock, so they're more than welcome to come to our

2076
02:09:32,760 --> 02:09:36,720
 meeting because like I said, no one has reached out to the neighborhood.

2077
02:09:36,720 --> 02:09:38,840
 No one has reached out to the neighborhood.

2078
02:09:38,840 --> 02:09:43,120
 I think that might be their plan, but we'll work to find that as this meeting takes care

2079
02:09:43,120 --> 02:09:44,120
 of it.

2080
02:09:44,120 --> 02:09:45,120
 Okay.

2081
02:09:45,120 --> 02:09:47,200
 I do have some white cards.

2082
02:09:47,200 --> 02:09:52,060
 Catherine Bell, do you want to speak?

2083
02:09:52,060 --> 02:09:53,240
 And you don't have to.

2084
02:09:53,240 --> 02:09:54,480
 Would you like to speak?

2085
02:09:54,480 --> 02:09:55,480
 No.

2086
02:09:55,480 --> 02:09:56,480
 Okay.

2087
02:09:56,480 --> 02:10:00,520
 So Catherine Bell is in opposition of the project.

2088
02:10:00,520 --> 02:10:04,360
 Irene Rogers, I have a card here in opposition.

2089
02:10:04,360 --> 02:10:06,720
 Did you need to speak?

2090
02:10:06,720 --> 02:10:07,720
 Okay.

2091
02:10:07,720 --> 02:10:10,420
 Shirley Matherson is in opposition.

2092
02:10:10,420 --> 02:10:11,920
 Did you wish to speak?

2093
02:10:11,920 --> 02:10:12,920
 Okay.

2094
02:10:12,920 --> 02:10:14,920
 And this is a public hearing.

2095
02:10:14,920 --> 02:10:19,200
 Even if I don't have a card, you are welcome to come to the podium if you have not spoken

2096
02:10:19,200 --> 02:10:24,600
 already and speak to us.

2097
02:10:24,600 --> 02:10:29,160
 Is there anyone who has not spoken who wishes to come?

2098
02:10:29,160 --> 02:10:32,280
 Can we speak again one more time?

2099
02:10:32,280 --> 02:10:33,760
 If we have a question for you.

2100
02:10:33,760 --> 02:10:34,760
 Hang on just a second.

2101
02:10:34,760 --> 02:10:39,600
 Let me see if I've got anyone on the phone line.

2102
02:10:39,600 --> 02:10:40,600
 Okay.

2103
02:10:40,600 --> 02:10:41,860
 I do not.

2104
02:10:41,860 --> 02:10:43,640
 Is there anyone else wishing to speak?

2105
02:10:43,640 --> 02:10:46,640
 I have a question.

2106
02:10:46,640 --> 02:10:49,080
 We talked about 11 acres.

2107
02:10:49,080 --> 02:10:50,080
 Okay.

2108
02:10:50,080 --> 02:10:51,080
 I'm sorry.

2109
02:10:51,080 --> 02:10:52,080
 Here.

2110
02:10:52,080 --> 02:10:53,080
 We'll do it this way.

2111
02:10:53,080 --> 02:10:54,080
 Did you have another question for us?

2112
02:10:54,080 --> 02:10:55,080
 Yes.

2113
02:10:55,080 --> 02:10:56,080
 Yes.

2114
02:10:56,080 --> 02:11:00,640
 The question is, is it just the 11 acres on that particular tract or is that 11 acres

2115
02:11:00,640 --> 02:11:04,480
 part of more acreage in that particular area?

2116
02:11:04,480 --> 02:11:09,840
 We are dealing with an 11-point acre tract of land for this request.

2117
02:11:09,840 --> 02:11:11,840
 So how much is the total?

2118
02:11:11,840 --> 02:11:12,840
 It is the total tract.

2119
02:11:12,840 --> 02:11:13,840
 11.8 acres.

2120
02:11:13,840 --> 02:11:15,840
 For this particular development, right?

2121
02:11:15,840 --> 02:11:16,840
 Correct.

2122
02:11:16,840 --> 02:11:23,340
 But is that not part of a larger acreage in that particular area?

2123
02:11:23,340 --> 02:11:25,880
 There's other undeveloped land in the area.

2124
02:11:25,880 --> 02:11:30,700
 So how many acres is that?

2125
02:11:30,700 --> 02:11:34,160
 If you have that answer, but that's not what we're considering.

2126
02:11:34,160 --> 02:11:35,160
 But go ahead.

2127
02:11:35,160 --> 02:11:40,400
 So and I think maybe some of the confusion might be is as part of Carson's presentation,

2128
02:11:40,400 --> 02:11:46,280
 he showed a graphic that showed this property in context with some other property that he

2129
02:11:46,280 --> 02:11:49,040
 noted as single-family residential.

2130
02:11:49,040 --> 02:11:53,240
 That property, the portion that was shown as single-family residential is not under

2131
02:11:53,240 --> 02:11:57,200
 consideration tonight and is not part of this request.

2132
02:11:57,200 --> 02:12:02,140
 So the commission's ability is limited to, as Commissioner Ellis mentioned, is the subject

2133
02:12:02,140 --> 02:12:03,180
 property tonight.

2134
02:12:03,180 --> 02:12:05,600
 That's the roughly 12-acre tract.

2135
02:12:05,600 --> 02:12:12,640
 So the rest of the area shown on that graphic, nothing has been submitted to us for review

2136
02:12:12,640 --> 02:12:16,440
 or consideration on the rest of that property.

2137
02:12:16,440 --> 02:12:19,240
 It could develop potentially a single-family residential.

2138
02:12:19,240 --> 02:12:24,960
 It could potentially be something else depending upon what the zoning is on the property.

2139
02:12:24,960 --> 02:12:28,920
 But tonight, the commission is limited to the consideration of the multifamily request

2140
02:12:28,920 --> 02:12:32,400
 on the 11.8-acre tract.

2141
02:12:32,400 --> 02:12:35,960
 Thank you.

2142
02:12:35,960 --> 02:12:37,720
 Okay.

2143
02:12:37,720 --> 02:12:41,560
 So is there anyone else wishing to speak who has not spoken?

2144
02:12:41,560 --> 02:12:42,560
 Okay.

2145
02:12:42,560 --> 02:12:48,480
 Seeing none, I will close the public hearing and open the floor for discussion.

2146
02:12:48,480 --> 02:12:49,480
 Commissioner Pruitt?

2147
02:12:49,480 --> 02:12:50,480
 Sorry, Chair.

2148
02:12:50,480 --> 02:12:51,480
 Just a point of clarification.

2149
02:12:51,480 --> 02:12:52,480
 Sure.

2150
02:12:52,480 --> 02:12:57,360
 I'm not certain whether this applies to our body or just council, but I believe some time

2151
02:12:57,360 --> 02:13:03,680
 ago there was an amendment that allowed the applicant to have a rebuttal time and then

2152
02:13:03,680 --> 02:13:09,280
 people in the public hearing who did speak at first be able to have a last word if that

2153
02:13:09,280 --> 02:13:11,760
 rebuttal changes anything they would like to say.

2154
02:13:11,760 --> 02:13:16,000
 But so I guess it's a question to staff of does that apply to us or do we not use those

2155
02:13:16,000 --> 02:13:17,000
 rules of procedure?

2156
02:13:17,000 --> 02:13:21,720
 I'm going to ask for Haley's assistance.

2157
02:13:21,720 --> 02:13:27,760
 We were just looking at this on another project.

2158
02:13:27,760 --> 02:13:34,600
 Yes, it's my understanding as long as the board has not adopted different rules, they

2159
02:13:34,600 --> 02:13:37,840
 follow the council rules of procedure which does allow a two-minute rebuttal for anyone

2160
02:13:37,840 --> 02:13:40,320
 who's spoken.

2161
02:13:40,320 --> 02:13:42,520
 Okay.

2162
02:13:42,520 --> 02:13:54,320
 Then I guess I will invite the applicant up as he did want to say something.

2163
02:13:54,320 --> 02:14:00,520
 Diane Baker, 2233 Holly Hill Lane, Denton, Texas, 76205.

2164
02:14:00,520 --> 02:14:08,240
 I first want to say to the people in that area, I kind of have my heart broken.

2165
02:14:08,240 --> 02:14:16,740
 Bev, myself, Mr. Woodson, we all kind of grew up where you are.

2166
02:14:16,740 --> 02:14:25,280
 People not paying attention to us, taking advantage of us, blah, blah, blah.

2167
02:14:25,280 --> 02:14:27,400
 That's what I meant by that.

2168
02:14:27,400 --> 02:14:33,040
 Ms. Baker, you could stay with the microphone otherwise we're not going to be able to hear.

2169
02:14:33,040 --> 02:14:34,040
 Okay.

2170
02:14:34,040 --> 02:14:35,040
 I'm not being your friend right now.

2171
02:14:35,040 --> 02:14:36,040
 I can tell.

2172
02:14:36,040 --> 02:14:40,960
 I'm sorry, I'm new to this.

2173
02:14:40,960 --> 02:14:47,640
 We studied the district that we were putting this in and we knew that we had too much in

2174
02:14:47,640 --> 02:14:50,640
 that district and that we were overloading the district.

2175
02:14:50,640 --> 02:14:53,280
 We spent a lot of time on it.

2176
02:14:53,280 --> 02:14:59,240
 On the other side, we were caught between that and trying to figure out the housing

2177
02:14:59,240 --> 02:15:00,760
 issue.

2178
02:15:00,760 --> 02:15:06,360
 We felt like that this project could be done a little bit quicker, could help our city

2179
02:15:06,360 --> 02:15:12,640
 and that's why we put that in there, in that area, because normally we try to divide it

2180
02:15:12,640 --> 02:15:18,520
 up and we have many projects going on right now, but I want you to know that we considered

2181
02:15:18,520 --> 02:15:23,760
 much information about putting this in one area, approving it.

2182
02:15:23,760 --> 02:15:28,040
 They presented it, we approved it after much talk about that.

2183
02:15:28,040 --> 02:15:32,080
 It wasn't an easy decision, that's all I want to say.

2184
02:15:32,080 --> 02:15:37,240
 Here we are with needs for housing and over here, I feel like that we're hurting a different

2185
02:15:37,240 --> 02:15:40,840
 group and I'm really sorry for that.

2186
02:15:40,840 --> 02:15:41,940
 I really am.

2187
02:15:41,940 --> 02:15:44,440
 Thank you.

2188
02:15:44,440 --> 02:15:51,080
 Mr. Woodson, yes, I will invite you up.

2189
02:15:51,080 --> 02:15:53,240
 Thanks coach for that.

2190
02:15:53,240 --> 02:15:58,720
 Look, I think the part where I want to get clear is that I know that there's a talk about

2191
02:15:58,720 --> 02:16:02,040
 the June 27th meeting for the neighborhood.

2192
02:16:02,040 --> 02:16:06,720
 We will be there for sure and you're right, with humility, we probably should have reached

2193
02:16:06,720 --> 02:16:12,240
 out early on and had that meeting and that's coming from someone that grew up in the Henson

2194
02:16:12,240 --> 02:16:20,680
 Project on west side of Phoenix, Arizona and a mother who raised four kids by herself.

2195
02:16:20,680 --> 02:16:27,960
 What I appreciate today is hearing from the neighborhood in the sense of thinking about

2196
02:16:27,960 --> 02:16:31,720
 how my mother was a servant in the neighborhood and was part of the church and part of the

2197
02:16:31,720 --> 02:16:37,200
 community and how she probably would have fought too, seriously would have fought in

2198
02:16:37,200 --> 02:16:38,840
 her own way.

2199
02:16:38,840 --> 02:16:45,880
 But I will say this, there's times where we need change and there's time where we need

2200
02:16:45,880 --> 02:16:50,240
 to be motivated by that change and I'm not saying that there needs to be a change in

2201
02:16:50,240 --> 02:16:53,160
 this neighborhood, but I just want to say the resources that we're going to provide

2202
02:16:53,160 --> 02:16:57,600
 for this neighborhood are something that are going to force change and if there's one kid

2203
02:16:57,600 --> 02:17:03,640
 that gets a scholarship, one kid, if there's one kid that makes it with a scholarship and

2204
02:17:03,640 --> 02:17:09,040
 furthers themselves, that's okay because there's a lot of us right now who are parents or grandparents

2205
02:17:09,040 --> 02:17:12,740
 or whatnot and we want the best for our children.

2206
02:17:12,740 --> 02:17:15,000
 That is the reason why we're putting this community up.

2207
02:17:15,000 --> 02:17:20,120
 Because there's a lot of other benefits here and I'll be just frank about it, but at the

2208
02:17:20,120 --> 02:17:28,000
 same time, this is a community that, and I mentioned 15 years, this is a 30-year commitment.

2209
02:17:28,000 --> 02:17:33,260
 This is truly a 30-year commitment and we can't get it done without the community.

2210
02:17:33,260 --> 02:17:36,040
 We can't get it done.

2211
02:17:36,040 --> 02:17:41,840
 So as a man that lived in the projects and a mother that served, this is what we want

2212
02:17:41,840 --> 02:17:45,000
 to provide.

2213
02:17:45,000 --> 02:17:49,600
 We want to provide good and it's our job on June 27th to work as a partnership with the

2214
02:17:49,600 --> 02:17:52,040
 neighborhood to further this mission.

2215
02:17:52,040 --> 02:17:55,020
 So again, 30 years of affordability, we will be there.

2216
02:17:55,020 --> 02:17:57,240
 We understand that there's traffic issues.

2217
02:17:57,240 --> 02:18:03,600
 I don't know how we deal with the traffic issues, I think that's what this group is

2218
02:18:03,600 --> 02:18:10,460
 here for, but I know what we can do within that community and how we can force change.

2219
02:18:10,460 --> 02:18:12,200
 So I wanted to say that and leave that there.

2220
02:18:12,200 --> 02:18:15,640
 June 27th we will be with the community.

2221
02:18:15,640 --> 02:18:16,640
 Thanks again.

2222
02:18:16,640 --> 02:18:20,040
 Thank you, Mr. Woodson.

2223
02:18:20,040 --> 02:18:29,480
 Okay, so I'm going to get back to our floor of discussion.

2224
02:18:29,480 --> 02:18:36,040
 I guess I don't see anyone to speak yet, so I'm going to go ahead and say a few words.

2225
02:18:36,040 --> 02:18:37,260
 First of all, thank you.

2226
02:18:37,260 --> 02:18:39,720
 That is what public hearings are for.

2227
02:18:39,720 --> 02:18:42,720
 That's what they're all about.

2228
02:18:42,720 --> 02:18:54,380
 A lot was said and a lot was said seemingly about the whole area and a lot was said about

2229
02:18:54,380 --> 02:19:03,360
 things that we hear often when we are presented with the decisions that come before us.

2230
02:19:03,360 --> 02:19:04,360
 Grocery stores.

2231
02:19:04,360 --> 02:19:06,900
 Grocery stores are a problem all over.

2232
02:19:06,900 --> 02:19:12,360
 My closest grocery store from where I live in Denton is two and a half miles at least.

2233
02:19:12,360 --> 02:19:16,200
 The two that were on the corner are gone.

2234
02:19:16,200 --> 02:19:22,220
 We heard this on a project that was at the preserve in front of us and they said just

2235
02:19:22,220 --> 02:19:24,920
 bring us a grocery store, bring us a grocery store.

2236
02:19:24,920 --> 02:19:27,280
 Unfortunately, we can't do that.

2237
02:19:27,280 --> 02:19:28,920
 The city can't do that.

2238
02:19:28,920 --> 02:19:36,080
 It's up to the land owner, the developer to come before us with their project.

2239
02:19:36,080 --> 02:19:38,680
 So we can't force them to do a grocery store.

2240
02:19:38,680 --> 02:19:42,640
 But you know what's really great is when the community comes together and speaks about

2241
02:19:42,640 --> 02:19:46,480
 what they need and the more we do that and the more we come together and speak about

2242
02:19:46,480 --> 02:19:52,280
 that, the more they'll hear what is needed and we can hope that they'll come before us

2243
02:19:52,280 --> 02:19:57,280
 and get us that grocery store again and get that neighborhood again.

2244
02:19:57,280 --> 02:19:58,680
 School boundaries.

2245
02:19:58,680 --> 02:20:05,060
 I hear that all the time and I happen to be in residential real estate and have been selling

2246
02:20:05,060 --> 02:20:10,620
 homes all around Denton for the last 20 years and what I always tell clients is school boundaries

2247
02:20:10,620 --> 02:20:15,680
 are always moving because the city grows and then the school boundaries are forced to move.

2248
02:20:15,680 --> 02:20:21,480
 So when yes, unfortunately a child has gone to this school and then the next year things

2249
02:20:21,480 --> 02:20:25,720
 get worked out because new developments have come in or whatever and schools can't accommodate

2250
02:20:25,720 --> 02:20:27,640
 that so the school boundaries move.

2251
02:20:27,640 --> 02:20:36,800
 So yeah, that will always be a thing, especially in our city that is growing so much.

2252
02:20:36,800 --> 02:20:43,800
 And our school district is just forced and tasked with that and it's not meant to make

2253
02:20:43,800 --> 02:20:48,320
 life difficult, it's just meant to balance out the schools and what they can accommodate.

2254
02:20:48,320 --> 02:20:55,800
 So while it feels like it was something that was done bad to us, it is just something that

2255
02:20:55,800 --> 02:21:03,080
 is with a developing city and a school district doing the best they can to accommodate our

2256
02:21:03,080 --> 02:21:06,280
 kids' needs.

2257
02:21:06,280 --> 02:21:15,040
 So with that being said, a lot of things were brought up about Southeast Denton as a whole.

2258
02:21:15,040 --> 02:21:21,200
 Hopefully you know and if you don't, certainly we as a city can come out and share this with

2259
02:21:21,200 --> 02:21:26,800
 you, but a small area plan is being discussed for your area.

2260
02:21:26,800 --> 02:21:31,080
 What that means is it's going to be a plan that is going to be a collective plan that

2261
02:21:31,080 --> 02:21:40,360
 takes neighborhood input and all the stakeholders involved and creates a plan of what a small

2262
02:21:40,360 --> 02:21:42,480
 area of the city should be.

2263
02:21:42,480 --> 02:21:48,920
 Southeast Denton is the number one slot for a small area plan discussion that is being

2264
02:21:48,920 --> 02:21:51,720
 started.

2265
02:21:51,720 --> 02:22:00,360
 That is when a lot of the collective-minded ideas of what you all have talked about, that's

2266
02:22:00,360 --> 02:22:02,760
 where that discussion belongs.

2267
02:22:02,760 --> 02:22:08,840
 When we circle back to the discussion that's before us tonight, we're talking about an

2268
02:22:08,840 --> 02:22:22,800
 11-point-acre tract of land that is being offered to give us in this city a needed housing

2269
02:22:22,800 --> 02:22:27,600
 choice, which is an affordable housing project, which when you look at the presentation and

2270
02:22:27,600 --> 02:22:36,120
 you hear what they have done and you've seen the site plan, seems like a great project

2271
02:22:36,120 --> 02:22:40,400
 and a great need for this piece of land.

2272
02:22:40,400 --> 02:22:49,400
 Where it's located, I don't know what a better use would be that falls into the SC category

2273
02:22:49,400 --> 02:22:54,720
 that would serve the need of the community and possibly send this undeveloped land in

2274
02:22:54,720 --> 02:23:01,460
 the right direction of other needed housing in the area.

2275
02:23:01,460 --> 02:23:05,120
 So with that, I'm going to stop talking because I'm going to give it to another commissioner

2276
02:23:05,120 --> 02:23:06,120
 to have the floor.

2277
02:23:06,120 --> 02:23:07,120
 Commissioner Anderson.

2278
02:23:07,120 --> 02:23:08,120
 Thank you, Chair.

2279
02:23:08,120 --> 02:23:09,120
 I'm not going to be very long-winded.

2280
02:23:09,120 --> 02:23:10,120
 Can't hear you.

2281
02:23:10,120 --> 02:23:11,120
 Is this better?

2282
02:23:11,120 --> 02:23:12,120
 Yep.

2283
02:23:12,120 --> 02:23:13,120
 Okay.

2284
02:23:13,120 --> 02:23:16,120
 I'm not going to be very long-winded.

2285
02:23:16,120 --> 02:23:18,120
 I just want to make a couple of points.

2286
02:23:18,120 --> 02:23:22,840
 I was born and raised here in Denton myself, raised here 54 years.

2287
02:23:22,840 --> 02:23:30,320
 I know that what you're going through, and the thing is we can't really change a lot.

2288
02:23:30,320 --> 02:23:34,040
 Denton's growing and we can't change, we just need to adapt.

2289
02:23:34,040 --> 02:23:41,120
 When I say that, I'm talking about pricing is going, everything's gone up.

2290
02:23:41,120 --> 02:23:45,160
 Fuel, groceries, land especially.

2291
02:23:45,160 --> 02:23:49,520
 You can build more cars, but you can't build more land.

2292
02:23:49,520 --> 02:23:51,720
 So land's a premium right now.

2293
02:23:51,720 --> 02:23:55,320
 And there's not a developer out there right now, I'm going to tell you this honestly,

2294
02:23:55,320 --> 02:24:00,800
 that will spend that much money on an 11-acre track of land and it's going to build houses

2295
02:24:00,800 --> 02:24:03,560
 that they can only sell for $50,000, $60,000.

2296
02:24:03,560 --> 02:24:05,400
 There's not a profit there for them.

2297
02:24:05,400 --> 02:24:07,140
 There's not a builder out there that would do this.

2298
02:24:07,140 --> 02:24:10,360
 They would lose their business.

2299
02:24:10,360 --> 02:24:20,880
 So like Jared just said, for that 11-acre land track, this is going to be a good thing.

2300
02:24:20,880 --> 02:24:26,160
 I know y'all say the grocery store and about 285 cars about traffic, well if you build

2301
02:24:26,160 --> 02:24:29,560
 a grocery store on a corner, you're going to have over 200-something people going to

2302
02:24:29,560 --> 02:24:32,560
 the grocery store that day as well.

2303
02:24:32,560 --> 02:24:35,840
 But I do agree with you that there needs to be a red light at Morris.

2304
02:24:35,840 --> 02:24:36,840
 I work for the county.

2305
02:24:36,840 --> 02:24:44,560
 I drive up and down Morris daily and you cannot turn left off of Morris onto Woodrow.

2306
02:24:44,560 --> 02:24:47,320
 It's hard to go north on Woodrow off of Morris.

2307
02:24:47,320 --> 02:24:53,040
 So that's something that the city would need to look at is putting a red light there.

2308
02:24:53,040 --> 02:24:58,560
 But yes, y'all do need a grocery store closer, but like the chair said, that's a developer's

2309
02:24:58,560 --> 02:24:59,560
 issue.

2310
02:24:59,560 --> 02:25:01,160
 That's not the city's thing.

2311
02:25:01,160 --> 02:25:06,440
 So you might not be on board right now with this project, but I think once it's developed,

2312
02:25:06,440 --> 02:25:08,880
 you're going to see it's a nice project.

2313
02:25:08,880 --> 02:25:15,120
 They're going to give some kids that wouldn't have the opportunity to have a $25,000 scholarship.

2314
02:25:15,120 --> 02:25:19,080
 There's not another development in town that's ever come up to us in front of here and said

2315
02:25:19,080 --> 02:25:23,880
 they're going to give out a scholarship for kids in the neighborhood.

2316
02:25:23,880 --> 02:25:28,880
 So anyways, that's all I have to say, but I think after this is done, you're probably

2317
02:25:28,880 --> 02:25:32,840
 going to appreciate it.

2318
02:25:32,840 --> 02:25:33,840
 Commissioner McDade.

2319
02:25:33,840 --> 02:25:34,840
 Thank you, chair.

2320
02:25:34,840 --> 02:25:40,240
 Yeah, I would just like to thank the community for coming out and just to let you know that

2321
02:25:40,240 --> 02:25:43,280
 this is how things get done.

2322
02:25:43,280 --> 02:25:48,880
 I don't know the outcome of this, but I know in the past, you've been told there's no reason

2323
02:25:48,880 --> 02:25:55,800
 to come up town to get anything done and you were told that by people who represented you

2324
02:25:55,800 --> 02:25:56,800
 in the district.

2325
02:25:56,800 --> 02:25:59,920
 And I'm here to let you know that that's not true.

2326
02:25:59,920 --> 02:26:05,160
 I don't know if it was for political gain or financial gain, but this is how you come

2327
02:26:05,160 --> 02:26:09,840
 up town when you have a problem, it's something coming into your neighborhood that you don't

2328
02:26:09,840 --> 02:26:10,840
 like.

2329
02:26:10,840 --> 02:26:14,840
 This is where you come to work your plan.

2330
02:26:14,840 --> 02:26:17,040
 And I just want to thank you for coming out.

2331
02:26:17,040 --> 02:26:20,800
 I don't know how it's going to turn out, but I want to thank each and every one of you for

2332
02:26:20,800 --> 02:26:27,360
 coming out, not everyone spoke, but just your presence was appreciated.

2333
02:26:27,360 --> 02:26:28,720
 Thank you.

2334
02:26:28,720 --> 02:26:33,700
 And if I could just piggyback on that comment, Commissioner McDade, you are welcome at every

2335
02:26:33,700 --> 02:26:38,480
 planning and zoning commission meeting, every city council meeting about anything, whether

2336
02:26:38,480 --> 02:26:40,400
 it's a public hearing or not.

2337
02:26:40,400 --> 02:26:48,320
 These are public meetings and they are meant for the city as a collective and that's how

2338
02:26:48,320 --> 02:26:53,560
 you stay involved and you stay what's in the know, and it doesn't even have to just be

2339
02:26:53,560 --> 02:26:55,520
 in your backyard.

2340
02:26:55,520 --> 02:27:01,800
 The agenda is always there, you can make public comments on any public hearing item anywhere

2341
02:27:01,800 --> 02:27:08,280
 in our city, and that's how we grow the city the right way, is when we all work together.

2342
02:27:08,280 --> 02:27:11,640
 The city can't just do it, we don't have enough staff to do all that.

2343
02:27:11,640 --> 02:27:17,640
 We volunteers up here, I mean, we do the best that we can and analyze things and all that,

2344
02:27:17,640 --> 02:27:25,080
 but your voice, we need to understand what's happening and it works both ways.

2345
02:27:25,080 --> 02:27:31,480
 You got an input, we've got an output, and together we make the best decisions we possibly

2346
02:27:31,480 --> 02:27:33,400
 can for this city.

2347
02:27:33,400 --> 02:27:34,400
 Commissioner Perut.

2348
02:27:34,400 --> 02:27:35,400
 Thank you, Chair.

2349
02:27:35,400 --> 02:27:38,920
 I just have a couple of questions for staff.

2350
02:27:38,920 --> 02:27:49,600
 First one I guess is a traffic related one, and I'll start by saying I don't believe the

2351
02:27:49,600 --> 02:27:55,120
 trip generation numbers further than I can throw them, so I don't want to get into technical

2352
02:27:55,120 --> 02:27:58,560
 numbers because I'll just lose my patience.

2353
02:27:58,560 --> 02:28:01,720
 But in general, is there a...

2354
02:28:01,720 --> 02:28:09,680
 I think Commissioner Anderson earlier mentioned that a retail type development would see more

2355
02:28:09,680 --> 02:28:15,320
 traffic than an apartment typically.

2356
02:28:15,320 --> 02:28:19,760
 Is that the right way to frame this and about how big is the difference, just roughly?

2357
02:28:19,760 --> 02:28:20,760
 Yeah.

2358
02:28:20,760 --> 02:28:24,320
 Pretendation of transportation planning.

2359
02:28:24,320 --> 02:28:29,360
 I don't have the numbers top of my head, but definitely retail does generate a lot more

2360
02:28:29,360 --> 02:28:36,560
 traffic, especially during the peak hours, just given that the size of the store and

2361
02:28:36,560 --> 02:28:39,600
 the number of people that it does attract.

2362
02:28:39,600 --> 02:28:43,120
 And it's based on surveys of similar uses throughout the nation.

2363
02:28:43,120 --> 02:28:45,200
 It's not just one single store.

2364
02:28:45,200 --> 02:28:46,200
 Yeah.

2365
02:28:46,200 --> 02:28:47,200
 Okay.

2366
02:28:47,200 --> 02:28:48,200
 Thank you.

2367
02:28:48,200 --> 02:28:52,320
 And then just a couple for planning staff.

2368
02:28:52,320 --> 02:28:58,320
 I think especially grocery stores have been mentioned a lot and you don't have that power.

2369
02:28:58,320 --> 02:29:02,120
 Everybody really wants a grocery store that they can walk to 100 feet away from them,

2370
02:29:02,120 --> 02:29:06,680
 doesn't draw any traffic from other shoppers, and has the lowest prices in town.

2371
02:29:06,680 --> 02:29:09,000
 I'm sold, right?

2372
02:29:09,000 --> 02:29:19,920
 In general though, since we can't paint that magic brush, do an increased number of residents

2373
02:29:19,920 --> 02:29:25,640
 with more homes being built make it more or less likely that the free market, private

2374
02:29:25,640 --> 02:29:29,880
 market will come in to invest in a grocery store in the future, given if there's available

2375
02:29:29,880 --> 02:29:30,880
 land.

2376
02:29:30,880 --> 02:29:33,880
 Do you want me to take that or do you want me to...

2377
02:29:33,880 --> 02:29:34,880
 That's a little question.

2378
02:29:34,880 --> 02:29:38,960
 I might look to Tina to answer that question.

2379
02:29:38,960 --> 02:29:47,480
 So yes, if we have additional buying power within the trade area that a business is drawing

2380
02:29:47,480 --> 02:29:52,420
 from, then that is going to help draw that business there.

2381
02:29:52,420 --> 02:29:59,920
 So for the benefit of the audience, businesses are going to have what they call as a trade

2382
02:29:59,920 --> 02:30:05,240
 area, a distance of where they will attract customers from, because there becomes a threshold

2383
02:30:05,240 --> 02:30:10,280
 on how far you're willing to drive someplace presumably to go purchase X, whether that

2384
02:30:10,280 --> 02:30:16,360
 be groceries or products at Home Depot or other similar type of stores to buy clothing,

2385
02:30:16,360 --> 02:30:17,860
 whatever the case may be.

2386
02:30:17,860 --> 02:30:24,040
 But a business has an area that they pull or draw within for their customer base.

2387
02:30:24,040 --> 02:30:29,800
 And so businesses are looking for the buying power within that trade area.

2388
02:30:29,800 --> 02:30:37,200
 So one way to help make an area more attractive for businesses is to have additional residents

2389
02:30:37,200 --> 02:30:39,920
 residing within that area.

2390
02:30:39,920 --> 02:30:46,200
 That is why many times when you see cities grow, the residential development happens first,

2391
02:30:46,200 --> 02:30:50,600
 whether that's in the form of single family, some multi-family, maybe there are some duplexes

2392
02:30:50,600 --> 02:30:53,920
 in there with it, but you always have the housing there first.

2393
02:30:53,920 --> 02:30:55,800
 You never get the business locating first.

2394
02:30:55,800 --> 02:30:59,340
 A business is not going to locate in an area that doesn't have the buying power.

2395
02:30:59,340 --> 02:31:04,200
 They're going to wait for the right population with the buying power to exist before they

2396
02:31:04,200 --> 02:31:05,200
 locate there.

2397
02:31:05,200 --> 02:31:08,920
 So the answer is yes to your question, and that's why.

2398
02:31:08,920 --> 02:31:09,920
 Thank you.

2399
02:31:09,920 --> 02:31:16,540
 And then just one more question, kind of wrapping schools with trails, with future, but not

2400
02:31:16,540 --> 02:31:21,600
 talking about development to the east of here.

2401
02:31:21,600 --> 02:31:27,720
 I believe in our trails plan, there is a trail slated along Pecan Creek that actually crosses

2402
02:31:27,720 --> 02:31:29,080
 underneath Woodrow.

2403
02:31:29,080 --> 02:31:31,360
 Is that correct?

2404
02:31:31,360 --> 02:31:32,360
 You are correct, sir.

2405
02:31:32,360 --> 02:31:33,360
 Okay.

2406
02:31:33,360 --> 02:31:49,560
 I have a slide, let me see if I can ... Let me see if it will ... Ah, there we go.

2407
02:31:49,560 --> 02:31:50,560
 Yes.

2408
02:31:50,560 --> 02:31:55,520
 So in our parks master plan, they did include areas that they were or anticipated trail

2409
02:31:55,520 --> 02:31:57,720
 sections within the city.

2410
02:31:57,720 --> 02:32:01,560
 One of the big pushes is to complete our trail network.

2411
02:32:01,560 --> 02:32:11,220
 As part of that is a proposed, of course it would take surrounding development and a lot

2412
02:32:11,220 --> 02:32:18,480
 of additional planning to get there, but ideally they would like to see a trail along Dutchess,

2413
02:32:18,480 --> 02:32:23,080
 between Dutchess and Shady Oaks within that flood plain area.

2414
02:32:23,080 --> 02:32:28,720
 They are also working on a trail on the west side of town, or I'm sorry, on the west side

2415
02:32:28,720 --> 02:32:35,800
 of Woodrow, connecting those existing parks in an off street trail manner.

2416
02:32:35,800 --> 02:32:36,800
 Sure.

2417
02:32:36,800 --> 02:32:42,800
 Yeah, I guess the reason that I asked that and why I alluded to is connected to the school.

2418
02:32:42,800 --> 02:32:48,400
 I don't know what the procedure between city staff and DISD looks like when they start

2419
02:32:48,400 --> 02:32:53,280
 shuffling boundaries when they have a school that's overcrowding, but I would hope that

2420
02:32:53,280 --> 02:32:58,560
 one of those criteria that they look at is to maximize the number of students who can

2421
02:32:58,560 --> 02:33:02,520
 reasonably walk to that school or ride their bike to that school.

2422
02:33:02,520 --> 02:33:08,680
 Because the last thing any neighborhood wants is a new line of 90 cars lining up every morning

2423
02:33:08,680 --> 02:33:11,720
 at 7.15 and every morning at 3.15.

2424
02:33:11,720 --> 02:33:12,720
 That doesn't help anybody.

2425
02:33:12,720 --> 02:33:17,160
 It doesn't help the people who are walking, your closer neighbors who want to get to the

2426
02:33:17,160 --> 02:33:19,960
 school.

2427
02:33:19,960 --> 02:33:21,640
 I know the answer is we don't know yet.

2428
02:33:21,640 --> 02:33:28,840
 I just want everybody to understand that there is a plan and yeah, so thank you for that.

2429
02:33:28,840 --> 02:33:32,680
 Just a couple final thoughts.

2430
02:33:32,680 --> 02:33:41,120
 It's obvious to me that the history in this area of disinvestment, quite honestly, has

2431
02:33:41,120 --> 02:33:46,520
 made these conversations difficult.

2432
02:33:46,520 --> 02:33:53,240
 I will just say our job here on the board as well as city staff's job who they're working

2433
02:33:53,240 --> 02:34:01,360
 diligently to do is to prove that that trust is now warranted.

2434
02:34:01,360 --> 02:34:07,280
 That means things like lining up these long-term plans to coincide with development that's

2435
02:34:07,280 --> 02:34:14,920
 coming in so that the resulting traffic doesn't materialize like it would otherwise.

2436
02:34:14,920 --> 02:34:21,780
 That includes us considering the alternatives that could happen here by right.

2437
02:34:21,780 --> 02:34:24,240
 It's an SC zoning district.

2438
02:34:24,240 --> 02:34:31,280
 Do we really want to see another class B strip mall with bail bonds places here?

2439
02:34:31,280 --> 02:34:37,720
 How does that help anybody?

2440
02:34:37,720 --> 02:34:44,520
 And lastly, I'll just say I understand the challenge of turning left onto multilane roads.

2441
02:34:44,520 --> 02:34:48,620
 I also understand traffic lights are not a perfect solution because then everybody complains

2442
02:34:48,620 --> 02:34:51,600
 that there's so many traffic lights on this road.

2443
02:34:51,600 --> 02:34:54,960
 I'm not a traffic engineer.

2444
02:34:54,960 --> 02:35:04,400
 With that said, those types of comments are why I prefer multiple smaller roads connected

2445
02:35:04,400 --> 02:35:09,440
 to the surrounding area so that you're not turning across four or six lanes of traffic

2446
02:35:09,440 --> 02:35:12,320
 to get from point A to point B.

2447
02:35:12,320 --> 02:35:16,000
 I think this is a good project, right?

2448
02:35:16,000 --> 02:35:20,320
 Everything is going to have trade-offs, but when I look at what happens if this doesn't

2449
02:35:20,320 --> 02:35:23,280
 go forward, I see housing prices go up.

2450
02:35:23,280 --> 02:35:30,520
 I see either nothing goes there or something that people like even less.

2451
02:35:30,520 --> 02:35:36,840
 And I see an opportunity here, honestly, to establish a new neighborhood that could be

2452
02:35:36,840 --> 02:35:46,080
 more mixed income, could draw some neighborhood services, and could sort of be an example

2453
02:35:46,080 --> 02:35:49,400
 to what we want future neighborhoods in Denton to become.

2454
02:35:49,400 --> 02:35:52,400
 So thank you.

2455
02:35:52,400 --> 02:35:53,400
 Thank you.

2456
02:35:53,400 --> 02:35:54,400
 Commissioner Villarreal.

2457
02:35:54,400 --> 02:35:55,400
 Yeah.

2458
02:35:55,400 --> 02:35:56,400
 Thank you.

2459
02:35:56,400 --> 02:36:00,400
 We have an affordable housing crisis in this country, and we absolutely require the expansion

2460
02:36:00,400 --> 02:36:04,260
 in this regard here in the city of Denton, and I also want to thank the applicant for

2461
02:36:04,260 --> 02:36:06,800
 agreeing to meet with Sedna in the coming days.

2462
02:36:06,800 --> 02:36:10,520
 However, it's apparent over the past two months that the Southeast Denton neighborhood has

2463
02:36:10,520 --> 02:36:13,000
 been ignored during the process.

2464
02:36:13,000 --> 02:36:17,680
 Southeast Denton is a majority black and Latino community that has been neglected, left behind,

2465
02:36:17,680 --> 02:36:21,920
 walked over, and marginalized for the over 100 years it has existed as a neighborhood,

2466
02:36:21,920 --> 02:36:23,600
 and this has to end.

2467
02:36:23,600 --> 02:36:27,160
 This project is going to be a good addition to our city, but I cannot sit here and ignore

2468
02:36:27,160 --> 02:36:29,840
 the countless voices from Southeast Denton.

2469
02:36:29,840 --> 02:36:33,760
 All Dentonites seem to be treated with dignity and respect whether they live in Southridge,

2470
02:36:33,760 --> 02:36:35,520
 Ranch Estates, or Southeast Denton.

2471
02:36:35,520 --> 02:36:39,000
 And if we want to make an effort to reflect other neighborhoods and their concerns when

2472
02:36:39,000 --> 02:36:43,520
 we vote, then we must do the same for the working folks here in this diverse neighborhood.

2473
02:36:43,520 --> 02:36:47,900
 I implore the applicant to take their concerns and questions of Southeast Denton to heart,

2474
02:36:47,900 --> 02:36:51,880
 and I hope you have the opportunity to meet with this community prior to the next council

2475
02:36:51,880 --> 02:36:53,120
 meeting.

2476
02:36:53,120 --> 02:36:57,640
 With the feedback I received from Southeast Denton, I will vote with their voice in mind,

2477
02:36:57,640 --> 02:37:04,760
 and I will once again vote no to this request.

2478
02:37:04,760 --> 02:37:06,760
 Commissioner Pruitt, you're still on the board.

2479
02:37:06,760 --> 02:37:07,760
 Did you?

2480
02:37:07,760 --> 02:37:08,760
 Okay.

2481
02:37:08,760 --> 02:37:09,760
 All right.

2482
02:37:09,760 --> 02:37:11,600
 Thank you.

2483
02:37:11,600 --> 02:37:14,480
 Anyone else wishing to speak this year?

2484
02:37:14,480 --> 02:37:15,480
 Okay.

2485
02:37:15,480 --> 02:37:16,480
 Commissioner Cole.

2486
02:37:16,480 --> 02:37:17,480
 Thank you, Chair.

2487
02:37:17,480 --> 02:37:24,040
 I really appreciate you all coming out.

2488
02:37:24,040 --> 02:37:31,460
 You know, this is, like the Chair said, this is about, this isn't about a whole area.

2489
02:37:31,460 --> 02:37:42,180
 This is about 11 acres, 11.891 acres of land, and what is the best use of that acreage?

2490
02:37:42,180 --> 02:37:53,120
 And something is going to go there, and I don't see another use outside of this.

2491
02:37:53,120 --> 02:38:00,440
 And you know, we all, you know, we all hear, you know, people want to talk to you when

2492
02:38:00,440 --> 02:38:06,560
 they know you're on P&Z, you know, when you're around town, and the first thing they always

2493
02:38:06,560 --> 02:38:11,840
 say is fix the roads, you know, we know that.

2494
02:38:11,840 --> 02:38:19,140
 But the second thing they always say is quit building apartments, okay?

2495
02:38:19,140 --> 02:38:27,600
 If we didn't build apartments, more apartments, apartment rent would be, would just go up

2496
02:38:27,600 --> 02:38:29,660
 and be more unaffordable.

2497
02:38:29,660 --> 02:38:33,080
 It would be higher than a cat's back.

2498
02:38:33,080 --> 02:38:42,780
 And the problem is we got so many people coming to this area, we are at critical state levels

2499
02:38:42,780 --> 02:38:49,200
 of all housing, every category of housing, we don't adequately have.

2500
02:38:49,200 --> 02:38:56,840
 And this is a problem of rampant 20-year growth.

2501
02:38:56,840 --> 02:39:04,680
 And you know, as long as people come here like fire ants, we have to prepare neighborhoods.

2502
02:39:04,680 --> 02:39:07,880
 We got to prepare everything.

2503
02:39:07,880 --> 02:39:15,860
 And you know, I know I originally, I originally voted no on this, but it comes, to me it comes

2504
02:39:15,860 --> 02:39:23,400
 down to this 11.891 acres of land and the best use of this property, and single family

2505
02:39:23,400 --> 02:39:26,580
 homes aren't going to be on this property.

2506
02:39:26,580 --> 02:39:30,800
 This is a good development in my mind.

2507
02:39:30,800 --> 02:39:35,680
 And so I plan on supporting this development.

2508
02:39:35,680 --> 02:39:36,680
 >> Commissioner McDade.

2509
02:39:36,680 --> 02:39:39,440
 >> Thank you, Chair.

2510
02:39:39,440 --> 02:39:48,440
 In all reality, I don't think it's really the 11 acres that concerns the neighborhood.

2511
02:39:48,440 --> 02:39:54,920
 I think they're more concerned is most of the neighborhood, this is the first time they've

2512
02:39:54,920 --> 02:39:57,200
 heard about this project.

2513
02:39:57,200 --> 02:40:02,680
 The applicant said they spoke to the mayor and they spoke to the D-1 rep.

2514
02:40:02,680 --> 02:40:05,080
 I've gone to every set in the meeting.

2515
02:40:05,080 --> 02:40:08,360
 This has not come up one time.

2516
02:40:08,360 --> 02:40:14,440
 I think this is what the issue is with the things that come into District 1 is you have

2517
02:40:14,440 --> 02:40:22,120
 the representation, but they sit on their hands and they do absolutely nothing.

2518
02:40:22,120 --> 02:40:27,220
 And now they have, you know, a couple of days, now they're going to meet with Sedna when

2519
02:40:27,220 --> 02:40:29,800
 the president just said no one called her at all.

2520
02:40:29,800 --> 02:40:34,560
 She didn't know if it was a separate meeting or they were going to be at the Sedna meeting.

2521
02:40:34,560 --> 02:40:39,440
 I think this is where the neighborhood, I mean, I don't know how long this project has

2522
02:40:39,440 --> 02:40:43,820
 been in the works, but had they come two or three months ago when they first started or

2523
02:40:43,820 --> 02:40:49,320
 when they spoke to the mayor or to the D-1 rep and got with the neighborhood, you might

2524
02:40:49,320 --> 02:40:52,520
 have had a better, a different outlook.

2525
02:40:52,520 --> 02:40:58,400
 But to wait until the last minute, and I've talked about it all the time, I mean, to me

2526
02:40:58,400 --> 02:41:04,120
 that's disrespectful, not only on the mayor's part, but on the District 1 rep's part.

2527
02:41:04,120 --> 02:41:08,920
 You're there to represent that district and you say nothing.

2528
02:41:08,920 --> 02:41:14,920
 That old saying is closed mouths don't get fed and we have representatives in that neighborhood

2529
02:41:14,920 --> 02:41:20,840
 who are keeping their mouths closed, whether that's for a political gain or financial gain.

2530
02:41:20,840 --> 02:41:25,320
 And that's what I'm saying right now, that has to stop.

2531
02:41:25,320 --> 02:41:27,200
 They deserve respect.

2532
02:41:27,200 --> 02:41:32,920
 They shouldn't have to beg for it, but it seems like they have to because no one is

2533
02:41:32,920 --> 02:41:37,640
 coming to them and speaking on their behalf about projects that are coming into the neighborhood.

2534
02:41:37,640 --> 02:41:42,040
 Thank you.

2535
02:41:42,040 --> 02:41:45,400
 Senator Cole, you're still on the board, but are you needing to speak anymore?

2536
02:41:45,400 --> 02:41:46,400
 No?

2537
02:41:46,400 --> 02:41:47,400
 Okay.

2538
02:41:47,400 --> 02:41:48,400
 Okay.

2539
02:41:48,400 --> 02:41:52,320
 And so I'll just circle back just with a couple of comments there.

2540
02:41:52,320 --> 02:41:58,560
 So to circle back with what is tasked before us today, which is the request for this specific

2541
02:41:58,560 --> 02:42:02,040
 use permit on this tract of land.

2542
02:42:02,040 --> 02:42:07,720
 I cannot speak to the relationship of the elected officials and this body.

2543
02:42:07,720 --> 02:42:18,560
 We have to make the best decision that we can for this particular applicant's request.

2544
02:42:18,560 --> 02:42:24,040
 They have done and notified who they need to do.

2545
02:42:24,040 --> 02:42:27,600
 We as a city legally have done that.

2546
02:42:27,600 --> 02:42:31,700
 They have reached out with neighborhood meetings.

2547
02:42:31,700 --> 02:42:35,040
 It doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be your neighborhood meeting.

2548
02:42:35,040 --> 02:42:43,040
 If you've had a neighborhood meeting, you can attend any meeting that is held in the

2549
02:42:43,040 --> 02:42:46,920
 public sense.

2550
02:42:46,920 --> 02:42:52,720
 So with that being said, I will open the floor for further discussion or a motion.

2551
02:42:52,720 --> 02:42:53,720
 Commissioner Pruitt.

2552
02:42:53,720 --> 02:42:56,480
 Thank you, Chair.

2553
02:42:56,480 --> 02:43:00,920
 You know, I really appreciate everybody coming out today, and I would echo all the things

2554
02:43:00,920 --> 02:43:03,560
 said about future planning opportunities.

2555
02:43:03,560 --> 02:43:06,200
 I know it's a pain, right?

2556
02:43:06,200 --> 02:43:08,040
 I know you got kids.

2557
02:43:08,040 --> 02:43:09,680
 You got life.

2558
02:43:09,680 --> 02:43:15,760
 You got, you know, you were up late last night doing XYZ because your aunt's kids needed

2559
02:43:15,760 --> 02:43:17,360
 somebody to watch them, et cetera.

2560
02:43:17,360 --> 02:43:20,800
 It's hard, right?

2561
02:43:20,800 --> 02:43:23,100
 But this is what it takes, right?

2562
02:43:23,100 --> 02:43:27,840
 So I would encourage you to stay engaged.

2563
02:43:27,840 --> 02:43:34,000
 I'm going to go ahead and move approval, or sorry, move that we recommend approval of

2564
02:43:34,000 --> 02:43:46,320
 this SUP just with a strong recommendation for staff to look at, you know, ways, whether

2565
02:43:46,320 --> 02:43:52,240
 that's a trail, you know, just pouring a path underneath the bridge.

2566
02:43:52,240 --> 02:43:55,920
 We've already got, you know, desire paths on the west side.

2567
02:43:55,920 --> 02:44:02,420
 If we can get people under that bridge safely, they will make it to school, I promise you.

2568
02:44:02,420 --> 02:44:09,520
 Just a recommendation or a request that staff would look at either that or other solutions

2569
02:44:09,520 --> 02:44:22,560
 to stave off a school lineup of 100 cars once this opens would be my request.

2570
02:44:22,560 --> 02:44:23,560
 Commissioner Cole.

2571
02:44:23,560 --> 02:44:24,560
 Second.

2572
02:44:24,560 --> 02:44:25,560
 Okay.

2573
02:44:25,560 --> 02:44:29,680
 So we've got a first and a second for approval of this specific use permit.

2574
02:44:29,680 --> 02:44:33,640
 Is there any discussion?

2575
02:44:33,640 --> 02:44:37,040
 So I'll just say final word, thank you again for sharing your thoughts.

2576
02:44:37,040 --> 02:44:41,880
 However, this turns out we are a recommending body to City Council.

2577
02:44:41,880 --> 02:44:45,440
 This will go to City Council for a final vote.

2578
02:44:45,440 --> 02:44:47,100
 Your voice is important there, too.

2579
02:44:47,100 --> 02:44:48,920
 Your voice is always important.

2580
02:44:48,920 --> 02:44:50,440
 And it is hard to stay involved.

2581
02:44:50,440 --> 02:44:57,300
 It's hard to fit that into our busy lives, but it really is what takes to run the city

2582
02:44:57,300 --> 02:44:59,280
 for all of us.

2583
02:44:59,280 --> 02:45:05,540
 Unfortunately, we can't fix with the request that's before us a lot of the problems that

2584
02:45:05,540 --> 02:45:07,200
 you brought forth.

2585
02:45:07,200 --> 02:45:12,980
 And that does not invalidate those problems and those concerns.

2586
02:45:12,980 --> 02:45:22,080
 They are heard, but again, what we're tasked with is not going to fix those problems.

2587
02:45:22,080 --> 02:45:26,560
 But we should still keep talking about those problems and figuring out how we can fix them.

2588
02:45:26,560 --> 02:45:33,000
 Right now, we've got to vote for this applicant's request for this specific use permit.

2589
02:45:33,000 --> 02:45:35,520
 And that's what we're going to do right now.

2590
02:45:35,520 --> 02:45:42,560
 And then whatever that decision is, that will move to City Council for a final decision.

2591
02:45:42,560 --> 02:45:48,480
 So with that, yes, Tina.

2592
02:45:48,480 --> 02:45:51,520
 If I can make one request before the commission votes.

2593
02:45:51,520 --> 02:45:55,980
 So you've heard from the commission numerous times about how they appreciate the community

2594
02:45:55,980 --> 02:45:58,480
 coming and addressing them this evening.

2595
02:45:58,480 --> 02:46:02,560
 There's been comments made regarding the area plan work that we are going to be initiating

2596
02:46:02,560 --> 02:46:06,480
 and in starting within the Southeast Denton neighborhood.

2597
02:46:06,480 --> 02:46:12,480
 One of our challenges is finding folks like yourself who are engaged in your neighborhood

2598
02:46:12,480 --> 02:46:15,600
 and we need your contact information.

2599
02:46:15,600 --> 02:46:21,240
 We would like for you to be part of this area plan work that we will be doing because it

2600
02:46:21,240 --> 02:46:28,200
 helps us with setting a path for the future based upon your feedback and what you are

2601
02:46:28,200 --> 02:46:31,060
 interested in having for your community.

2602
02:46:31,060 --> 02:46:35,680
 So I would welcome the opportunity to receive your contact information.

2603
02:46:35,680 --> 02:46:39,920
 You know, I know I have names and addresses on these cards, but really what I would love

2604
02:46:39,920 --> 02:46:44,880
 to get -- what I would love to have my team from you is if there are phone numbers or

2605
02:46:44,880 --> 02:46:50,080
 email addresses that we can follow up with you, regardless of what happens on this project.

2606
02:46:50,080 --> 02:46:56,040
 But so that we can get your contact information and be able to invite you for when we start

2607
02:46:56,040 --> 02:46:59,040
 working on this area plan.

2608
02:46:59,040 --> 02:47:08,400
 This area plan allows us to be able to study the neighborhood further and be able to identify

2609
02:47:08,400 --> 02:47:13,940
 what areas of change you want to have occur, what areas you want to have protected occur.

2610
02:47:13,940 --> 02:47:17,520
 But the gentleman who just walked out the door, that's Scott McDonald.

2611
02:47:17,520 --> 02:47:20,240
 He is our Director of Development Services.

2612
02:47:20,240 --> 02:47:24,440
 I would welcome -- if you could please share your contact information with him or anybody

2613
02:47:24,440 --> 02:47:27,960
 else on our planning team, we would love to have your information.

2614
02:47:27,960 --> 02:47:33,480
 This project will start later this year, but one of the necessary components of that project

2615
02:47:33,480 --> 02:47:39,240
 is to be able to have resident input, and this project is going to take some time.

2616
02:47:39,240 --> 02:47:42,640
 So I will ask you to be engaged throughout that entire project.

2617
02:47:42,640 --> 02:47:48,280
 But I just want to put that plug in because it's a very important project for your neighborhoods,

2618
02:47:48,280 --> 02:47:51,760
 and regardless of the outcome that takes place with this zoning case -- or excuse me, with

2619
02:47:51,760 --> 02:47:53,440
 this specific use permit request.

2620
02:47:53,440 --> 02:47:55,400
 So thank you for that opportunity.

2621
02:47:55,400 --> 02:48:02,720
 >> Thank you, and right before we vote, when is this going to council?

2622
02:48:02,720 --> 02:48:09,700
 So it will go to council on this next Tuesday, the 28th of June.

2623
02:48:09,700 --> 02:48:10,700
 Okay.

2624
02:48:10,700 --> 02:48:11,700
 >> Yes.

2625
02:48:11,700 --> 02:48:12,700
 >> Yes.

2626
02:48:12,700 --> 02:48:13,700
 >> Okay.

2627
02:48:13,700 --> 02:48:19,920
 With that, let's go ahead -- oh.

2628
02:48:19,920 --> 02:48:26,840
 Let's go ahead and vote on the board.

2629
02:48:26,840 --> 02:48:32,760
 Okay.

2630
02:48:32,760 --> 02:48:36,800
 That motion carries for two.

2631
02:48:36,800 --> 02:48:42,600
 Move that on to council on Tuesday.

2632
02:48:42,600 --> 02:48:47,240
 Why don't we take a quick break, and we'll let chambers clear for a moment.

2633
02:48:47,240 --> 02:48:48,240
 It's 820.

2634
02:48:48,240 --> 02:48:55,960
 We will adjourn for five minutes.

2635
02:48:55,960 --> 02:48:56,960
 Thank you.

2636
02:48:56,960 --> 02:49:01,920
 I will call us back to order at 825, and we will get back to finalizing the agenda for

2637
02:49:01,920 --> 02:49:02,920
 tonight.

2638
02:49:02,920 --> 02:49:08,160
 We are on 5B, which we are taking no action on because the applicant has requested to

2639
02:49:08,160 --> 02:49:12,920
 postpone the item to a future planning and zoning meeting, and that will be renoticed

2640
02:49:12,920 --> 02:49:16,860
 at an upcoming meeting.

2641
02:49:16,860 --> 02:49:24,840
 Moving us to our public hearing 5C, DCA 220002, I'll invite Haley up for presentation and

2642
02:49:24,840 --> 02:49:27,040
 open the public hearing.

2643
02:49:27,040 --> 02:49:30,320
 >> Good evening.

2644
02:49:30,320 --> 02:49:34,000
 All right.

2645
02:49:34,000 --> 02:49:40,320
 Good evening, Haley Zagorski, assistant planning director.

2646
02:49:40,320 --> 02:49:44,400
 The item before you this evening is a Denton development code amendment for amendments

2647
02:49:44,400 --> 02:49:48,320
 to subchapter two, which are the procedures within the code.

2648
02:49:48,320 --> 02:49:50,640
 So, just a quick recap.

2649
02:49:50,640 --> 02:49:55,400
 We did discuss this at your work session, but just so it's on the record for this evening.

2650
02:49:55,400 --> 02:50:00,000
 These code amendments are coming forward this evening in response to our comprehensive code

2651
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:06,200
 update in 2019, after which we had several state law changes, some procedures that we

2652
02:50:06,200 --> 02:50:11,960
 noticed were either inconsistent or inadvertently left out of the code, and as we're doing with

2653
02:50:11,960 --> 02:50:15,320
 a series of code amendments that are going before the code review committee, we're working

2654
02:50:15,320 --> 02:50:19,920
 our way through those changes that we've identified that we need to the code.

2655
02:50:19,920 --> 02:50:24,280
 The code amendment process was started soon after the code was adopted and then put on

2656
02:50:24,280 --> 02:50:31,920
 hold during the oddities that we went through with COVID in 2020, but we did regroup last

2657
02:50:31,920 --> 02:50:37,120
 year, and as I believe as recently as November of 2021, this particular set of code amendments

2658
02:50:37,120 --> 02:50:41,040
 was brought before our code review committee to confirm that they were still on board with

2659
02:50:41,040 --> 02:50:45,240
 what had previously been presented, and they did recommend that this move forward to P&Z

2660
02:50:45,240 --> 02:50:49,360
 and council for formal consideration.

2661
02:50:49,360 --> 02:50:52,920
 So as we did in work session, I'll just run through the highlights of what the code amendments

2662
02:50:52,920 --> 02:50:55,240
 encompass because it is a very lengthy document.

2663
02:50:55,240 --> 02:50:59,760
 I think it's over 100 pages with subchapter two that's redlined in the backup, so I'm

2664
02:50:59,760 --> 02:51:04,360
 happy to pull that up if we need to look at anything in detail, but just some of the highlights.

2665
02:51:04,360 --> 02:51:08,560
 We are making a variety of updates to the summary table at the beginning of subchapter

2666
02:51:08,560 --> 02:51:13,520
 two that outlines all of our procedures and generally who reviews and approves those documents.

2667
02:51:13,520 --> 02:51:17,600
 So we're making sure every application type that you could apply for in the city of Denton

2668
02:51:17,600 --> 02:51:21,280
 in terms of projects is now listed in that table because several were left out that are

2669
02:51:21,280 --> 02:51:25,960
 very common procedures like civil engineering plans and traffic impact analysis.

2670
02:51:25,960 --> 02:51:28,840
 So all of those will be added back into the table.

2671
02:51:28,840 --> 02:51:33,320
 We are working through a variety of other things.

2672
02:51:33,320 --> 02:51:35,600
 Some of the bigger items would be the operational procedures.

2673
02:51:35,600 --> 02:51:39,720
 So the P&Z and Zoning Board of Adjustment, for example, had very specific procedures

2674
02:51:39,720 --> 02:51:41,520
 in our 2002 code.

2675
02:51:41,520 --> 02:51:44,700
 Those were left out of this code with the intent that the code of ordinances would take

2676
02:51:44,700 --> 02:51:48,800
 some of those in, but since that has not occurred and we've determined that it is a better,

2677
02:51:48,800 --> 02:51:51,640
 more logical place for those to be within the Denton Development Code, we're adding

2678
02:51:51,640 --> 02:51:53,400
 those back in.

2679
02:51:53,400 --> 02:51:57,320
 Some of those specifically with ZBA, you'll see some changes to their procedures in response

2680
02:51:57,320 --> 02:52:00,800
 to recent state law updates.

2681
02:52:00,800 --> 02:52:06,480
 Throughout the subchapter, we're making changes, little things like changing one of the criteria

2682
02:52:06,480 --> 02:52:11,360
 manuals to be an administrative development handbook so that that is a more regularly

2683
02:52:11,360 --> 02:52:15,600
 updated document, but it's also consistently referenced in the code and on our website.

2684
02:52:15,600 --> 02:52:17,280
 The same thing with the city's fee schedule.

2685
02:52:17,280 --> 02:52:21,880
 We're making project names aligned so that those documents read consistently.

2686
02:52:21,880 --> 02:52:24,240
 We are updating the subdivision procedures.

2687
02:52:24,240 --> 02:52:28,840
 You'll notice if you look through there, a lot of changes to platting procedures to reflect

2688
02:52:28,840 --> 02:52:32,880
 the Shot Clock legislation, as well as some changes to notification requirements for replats

2689
02:52:32,880 --> 02:52:35,600
 that changed in state law.

2690
02:52:35,600 --> 02:52:40,560
 Similarly, with subdivision variances, that's an important procedure that we're adding back

2691
02:52:40,560 --> 02:52:41,560
 into the code.

2692
02:52:41,560 --> 02:52:45,120
 The variance you saw this evening, we were saved by the fact that our transportation

2693
02:52:45,120 --> 02:52:48,760
 criteria manual specifically says driveway variances go to P and Z.

2694
02:52:48,760 --> 02:52:51,880
 Otherwise, we're missing a procedure for that, so we actually have some replats right now

2695
02:52:51,880 --> 02:52:56,240
 that are on hold pending us adding this procedure back in so that they can seek variances for

2696
02:52:56,240 --> 02:52:59,600
 relief from some of our subdivision requirements.

2697
02:52:59,600 --> 02:53:04,920
 Some of the other things that you'll find in this document are just expanding procedures

2698
02:53:04,920 --> 02:53:05,920
 for annexation.

2699
02:53:05,920 --> 02:53:08,480
 For example, if you look in the code right now, there are two sentences and it says it

2700
02:53:08,480 --> 02:53:11,160
 follows state law, and that's all you get from it.

2701
02:53:11,160 --> 02:53:14,120
 We're actually adding back in the detailed procedure so that people have one place to

2702
02:53:14,120 --> 02:53:17,560
 go to find out what that application is going to look like and what that timeline would

2703
02:53:17,560 --> 02:53:18,560
 be.

2704
02:53:18,560 --> 02:53:22,240
 Then, as I mentioned several times, just making sure we have that consistency with state law

2705
02:53:22,240 --> 02:53:26,160
 and making it a more comprehensive document where you really can find all of our processes

2706
02:53:26,160 --> 02:53:28,300
 in one place.

2707
02:53:28,300 --> 02:53:32,640
 With that, I will close the presentation, but I'm happy to pull that document up if we need

2708
02:53:32,640 --> 02:53:36,320
 to look at anything in particular, or if you have questions, I'm happy to try to answer

2709
02:53:36,320 --> 02:53:39,320
 those this evening.

2710
02:53:39,320 --> 02:53:45,200
 I do not see that.

2711
02:53:45,200 --> 02:53:46,200
 The backup was very-

2712
02:53:46,200 --> 02:53:47,200
 It's a riveting topic, I know.

2713
02:53:47,200 --> 02:53:51,520
 Well, no, but you did a fabulous job in presenting.

2714
02:53:51,520 --> 02:53:52,520
 Whoever put the backup material together-

2715
02:53:52,520 --> 02:53:53,520
 That was all wrong.

2716
02:53:53,520 --> 02:53:56,360
 We have to give you the full credit for managing this process.

2717
02:53:56,360 --> 02:53:59,000
 It was very well organized and easy to see.

2718
02:53:59,000 --> 02:54:02,160
 Being on the DCRC, I remember all of this discussion.

2719
02:54:02,160 --> 02:54:03,160
 Yes.

2720
02:54:03,160 --> 02:54:04,160
 Thank you all.

2721
02:54:04,160 --> 02:54:06,200
 Thank you, Haley.

2722
02:54:06,200 --> 02:54:07,200
 Okay.

2723
02:54:07,200 --> 02:54:10,480
 Is there discussion amongst the board?

2724
02:54:10,480 --> 02:54:13,720
 Chair can entertain a motion or further discussion.

2725
02:54:13,720 --> 02:54:15,000
 Commissioner Villarreal.

2726
02:54:15,000 --> 02:54:17,280
 I move to approve the recommendation to city council.

2727
02:54:17,280 --> 02:54:18,840
 It is a public hearing.

2728
02:54:18,840 --> 02:54:19,840
 Hang on there.

2729
02:54:19,840 --> 02:54:23,000
 I forgot because there's no one in front of me, and I'm so sorry and there's no one on

2730
02:54:23,000 --> 02:54:24,000
 the phone.

2731
02:54:24,000 --> 02:54:25,000
 It is a public hearing.

2732
02:54:25,000 --> 02:54:27,720
 I do not have any cards in front of me.

2733
02:54:27,720 --> 02:54:33,120
 I do not have anyone on the phones, and I don't have any people in front of me in City

2734
02:54:33,120 --> 02:54:34,120
 Hall.

2735
02:54:34,120 --> 02:54:38,980
 So I'm going to close the public hearing, and now Commissioner Villarreal.

2736
02:54:38,980 --> 02:54:45,600
 I move to approve the recommendation to city council.

2737
02:54:45,600 --> 02:54:46,600
 Commissioner Pruitt.

2738
02:54:46,600 --> 02:54:50,400
 I will second, and just thank staff for all of this work.

2739
02:54:50,400 --> 02:54:56,280
 I'm especially pleased to see that as we look through these revisions, we don't just gradually

2740
02:54:56,280 --> 02:55:01,120
 add more and more complexity, but we look at opportunities to simplify and clarify so

2741
02:55:01,120 --> 02:55:02,920
 that we don't create spaghetti.

2742
02:55:02,920 --> 02:55:04,960
 So thank you for that.

2743
02:55:04,960 --> 02:55:07,720
 And I will echo all of that.

2744
02:55:07,720 --> 02:55:11,360
 It's nice to be able to do these amendments when we see that they're needed and they're

2745
02:55:11,360 --> 02:55:18,360
 vetted in a great way through the committee and great work by staff, for sure.

2746
02:55:18,360 --> 02:55:26,200
 Let's call for a vote on the board, please.

2747
02:55:26,200 --> 02:55:28,320
 That motion carries 6-0.

2748
02:55:28,320 --> 02:55:32,560
 That will take us to our Planning and Zoning Commission matrix, and I will give the floor

2749
02:55:32,560 --> 02:55:35,140
 to Tina.

2750
02:55:35,140 --> 02:55:36,280
 Thank you, Chairman Dulles.

2751
02:55:36,280 --> 02:55:42,520
 So nothing to report from city council in terms of development action.

2752
02:55:42,520 --> 02:55:46,440
 As it relates to the matrices, I made a couple of tweaks on this.

2753
02:55:46,440 --> 02:55:50,280
 We had some June references; unfortunately, we were not able to get the items accomplished

2754
02:55:50,280 --> 02:55:51,600
 this month.

2755
02:55:51,600 --> 02:55:56,280
 So you'll see information regarding history and attentive strip annexations, the fiscal

2756
02:55:56,280 --> 02:56:03,360
 analysis tool, and I believe I tweaked the item that's requested work session discussion

2757
02:56:03,360 --> 02:56:07,560
 about the impacts to city plans and growth by a potential House bill related to disannexation

2758
02:56:07,560 --> 02:56:08,560
 processes.

2759
02:56:08,560 --> 02:56:12,640
 So I changed those from June to summer, so we'll do our best to get those all addressed

2760
02:56:12,640 --> 02:56:13,920
 this summer for the commission.

2761
02:56:13,920 --> 02:56:16,680
 But otherwise, there was nothing additional added to the matrix.

2762
02:56:16,680 --> 02:56:17,680
 Okay.

2763
02:56:17,680 --> 02:56:18,680
 Thank you.

2764
02:56:18,680 --> 02:56:19,680
 Great.

2765
02:56:19,680 --> 02:56:24,840
 Is there anything to add to the matrix from the commission tonight?

2766
02:56:24,840 --> 02:56:27,380
 Concluding items, Commissioner Pruitt.

2767
02:56:27,380 --> 02:56:28,380
 Thank you, Chair.

2768
02:56:28,380 --> 02:56:31,400
 This may be just more of a general question to staff.

2769
02:56:31,400 --> 02:56:38,240
 I think during the presentation earlier, it was mentioned the 200- and 500-foot boundaries,

2770
02:56:38,240 --> 02:56:47,520
 and it was mentioned that the 500-foot courtesy postcards go to the owners and residents.

2771
02:56:47,520 --> 02:56:52,600
 Was that the actual what happens as far as it gets mailed to residents, even who are

2772
02:56:52,600 --> 02:56:55,040
 renters, or does it only get mailed to owners?

2773
02:56:55,040 --> 02:57:00,600
 I'm going to ask Haley for assistance, so I don't mess this up in case I misspoke earlier.

2774
02:57:00,600 --> 02:57:02,720
 I think it's the address on the text.

2775
02:57:02,720 --> 02:57:03,720
 Yes.

2776
02:57:03,720 --> 02:57:07,600
 So the 500-foot postcard is actually sent to all of the utility addresses that we have

2777
02:57:07,600 --> 02:57:08,600
 within 500 feet.

2778
02:57:08,600 --> 02:57:13,440
 So it goes to renters at apartments, or anyone that has a utility with the City of Denton

2779
02:57:13,440 --> 02:57:14,440
 would get that postcard.

2780
02:57:14,440 --> 02:57:15,440
 Okay.

2781
02:57:15,440 --> 02:57:16,440
 Thank you.

2782
02:57:16,440 --> 02:57:17,920
 And then- And I guess, and to that point, and the reason

2783
02:57:17,920 --> 02:57:22,960
 why we send it to folks that have the utility address is because we recognize that there

2784
02:57:22,960 --> 02:57:29,000
 may be some folks who reside within the place of residence, but they may not be the owner.

2785
02:57:29,000 --> 02:57:35,640
 And so, because state law requires us to notify property owners within 200 feet based upon

2786
02:57:35,640 --> 02:57:37,040
 the latest adopted tax rules.

2787
02:57:37,040 --> 02:57:38,040
 Okay.

2788
02:57:38,040 --> 02:57:39,040
 Thank you.

2789
02:57:39,040 --> 02:57:40,040
 That's great.

2790
02:57:40,040 --> 02:57:46,040
 And if I'm just not remembering a previous report, please slap my hand afterwards.

2791
02:57:46,040 --> 02:57:56,640
 But I recall we had a work session discussion before about the voluntary notification procedure

2792
02:57:56,640 --> 02:58:00,320
 and that sort of thing, and there was a work session for council scheduled for that.

2793
02:58:00,320 --> 02:58:04,080
 Has that work session taken place, and was there any direction that came out of that?

2794
02:58:04,080 --> 02:58:08,240
 So that was the computer system, or folks being able to opt in.

2795
02:58:08,240 --> 02:58:10,280
 So we did receive direction from council.

2796
02:58:10,280 --> 02:58:13,960
 I believe we were starting with items that PNZ and council would have deliberation on,

2797
02:58:13,960 --> 02:58:20,440
 like the public hearing items, and then eventually the goal from council was to be able to expand

2798
02:58:20,440 --> 02:58:22,240
 that notification.

2799
02:58:22,240 --> 02:58:27,000
 And I know, gosh, Charlie had been working on that with Cody.

2800
02:58:27,000 --> 02:58:31,120
 I'd have to follow up with you to, unless you know any additional updates, but I haven't

2801
02:58:31,120 --> 02:58:32,120
 seen anything on that lately.

2802
02:58:32,120 --> 02:58:35,720
 No, I believe they're still working through the technical process of getting that rolled

2803
02:58:35,720 --> 02:58:39,960
 out, but we can certainly come follow up with a more up-to-date notification.

2804
02:58:39,960 --> 02:58:40,960
 Sounds great.

2805
02:58:40,960 --> 02:58:41,960
 Thank you.

2806
02:58:41,960 --> 02:58:42,960
 Okay.

2807
02:58:42,960 --> 02:58:43,960
 Thank you.

2808
02:58:43,960 --> 02:58:44,960
 Any other concluding items?

2809
02:58:44,960 --> 02:58:45,960
 All right.

2810
02:58:45,960 --> 02:58:52,360
 Thank you all for your time, and your input, and your thoughts, and hard work, everybody.

2811
02:58:52,360 --> 02:58:55,520
 I will adjourn us at 8.35 PM.