WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:08.100 Okay noting the time and noting the presence of a quorum I want to thank 00:00:08.100 --> 00:00:14.780 everybody for coming tonight. Commissioners, guests, let's start with the Pledge of 00:00:14.780 --> 00:00:29.520 Allegiance to the U.S. flag and then followed by the Texas Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, 00:00:29.520 --> 00:00:44.920 under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. On the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to the Texas, one state, under God, one indivisible. 00:00:44.920 --> 00:01:00.720 Thank you. Okay. First item on our agenda for tonight, HLC 22-067, is consider 00:01:00.720 --> 00:01:06.320 approval of the May 9th minute. I believe those were emailed to everyone, made available. 00:01:06.320 --> 00:01:14.800 Any corrections, comments, or a motion to accept? A motion to accept. I second. We have a 00:01:14.800 --> 00:01:34.200 motion to second. All those in favor raise your right hand. Item 2 is COA 22-0009, hold a 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:37.240 public meeting and consider an application for certificate of 00:01:37.240 --> 00:01:41.960 appropriateness in accordance with section 2.9.2 of the Dent Development Code 00:01:41.960 --> 00:01:48.720 to add a balcony access and railing at 207 Pearl Street, a local 00:01:48.720 --> 00:01:54.200 historic landmark property and recorded historic Texas landmark within the Oak 00:01:54.200 --> 00:01:58.560 History Historic District. The site is located on the south side of Pearl 00:01:58.560 --> 00:02:07.200 Street between Deadman and Carroll Boulevard. I will turn it over to Ms. Robertson. 00:02:07.200 --> 00:02:22.120 I think it's 607 instead of 207. Oh, it is. Pardon me. 607 Pearl Street. Thank you, Chair. 00:02:22.120 --> 00:02:30.000 So we are looking at 607 Pearl Street, which is for alchemy. So this is located 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:34.360 on the south side of Pearl Street between Denton Street and Carroll Boulevard. The 00:02:34.360 --> 00:02:39.200 owners are David and Catherine McRae, and the construction date is circa 1915. It is 00:02:39.200 --> 00:02:47.360 also known as the Simon's Maxwell House, so it's located here in this red box. It 00:02:47.360 --> 00:02:51.800 was constructed for James Simmons and Susan Greig. The architectural style is 00:02:51.800 --> 00:02:56.120 arts and crafts mission style. The defining features are mission style 00:02:56.120 --> 00:03:01.480 parapet, a leaded glass windows, and stucco walls. It is a local historic 00:03:01.480 --> 00:03:06.920 landmark, as the Chair mentioned, and recorded Texas historic landmark. So the 00:03:06.920 --> 00:03:12.000 request is for a balcony access and railing. The location is located on the 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:16.240 east side of the property, as you can see here on the screen, set back from the 00:03:16.240 --> 00:03:21.360 front main facade, which is considered this facade right here. The railing would 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:25.840 be visible from Pearl Street, but with the balcony access, it would not be 00:03:25.840 --> 00:03:32.040 visible from Pearl Street due to that railing being installed. So these are the 00:03:32.040 --> 00:03:36.360 current conditions. This is at the westbound lane on Pearl Street, so you're 00:03:36.360 --> 00:03:41.360 moving west. So you can kind of see the balcony would be here, directly straight 00:03:41.360 --> 00:03:48.280 on, and then that view from the southeast. And then this is the eastbound lane, very 00:03:48.280 --> 00:03:52.320 similar, just a little bit closer to the property. That view from the southwest, 00:03:52.320 --> 00:03:59.080 the view from the south, and then views from the southeast as well. So this is the 00:03:59.080 --> 00:04:02.440 proposed elevation, so we're concentrating on focusing on this side of 00:04:02.440 --> 00:04:07.160 the property of that east side. The materials are proposed to be concrete, as 00:04:07.160 --> 00:04:10.880 well as that light tan paint color to match the existing facade, so as you can 00:04:10.880 --> 00:04:18.840 see here. Looking at the architectural drawings, this is the proposed railing 00:04:18.840 --> 00:04:24.320 design, so we're focusing on this section above the red line. They would be 00:04:24.320 --> 00:04:29.760 installing a new floating deck on that roof in the proposed railing, and so 00:04:29.760 --> 00:04:34.280 between that new floating deck and that proposed railing would be approximately 00:04:34.280 --> 00:04:40.420 three feet to bring it up to code, so they can use it as a balcony. This is the 00:04:40.420 --> 00:04:46.600 previous request from July 13th of 2020. The main discussion from HLC was 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:53.880 concerned for the design of the black railing. It wasn't as considerate to the 00:04:53.880 --> 00:04:58.000 architectural design at the time, and that kind of seemed to be the main 00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:03.680 concern of HLC at that time, was mainly the design and wanting to see more 00:05:03.680 --> 00:05:12.560 options. So Texas Historical Commission has reviewed this scope of work. The 00:05:12.560 --> 00:05:17.800 letter is dated October 22nd, 2020. The recommendations from the Texas 00:05:17.800 --> 00:05:21.120 Historical Commission was carefully removing the least amount of historic 00:05:21.120 --> 00:05:25.000 material possible along with the historic window, so salvaging and 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:30.200 storing that for potential reuse in the future. As using user railing, that means 00:05:30.200 --> 00:05:33.520 the standards for rehabilitation number three and number nine. So this is what 00:05:33.520 --> 00:05:36.760 staff considered when they were doing the review, and if you all looked at your 00:05:36.760 --> 00:05:40.960 packet, you know that's focusing on changes that create a false sense of 00:05:40.960 --> 00:05:46.560 historical development as well as differentiating new work from the old. 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:50.520 Basically from the THC, they did determine that it meets the Secretary of 00:05:50.520 --> 00:05:54.840 Interior's standards for rehabilitation and waived the remainder of the review 00:05:54.840 --> 00:06:00.920 for this project. So staff's analysis did focus on the standards for 00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:08.760 rehabilitation, focusing on number three, five, nine, and ten, which is number three 00:06:08.760 --> 00:06:12.320 is each property will be recognized as a physical record of its time, place, and 00:06:12.320 --> 00:06:17.040 use. Five is distinctive materials, features, finishes, and construction 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:21.640 techniques that characterize a property will be preserved, and then lastly that 00:06:21.640 --> 00:06:26.000 number nine, which I discussed, as well as number ten, which discusses new 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:29.640 additions and adjacent or related new construction will be undertaken in a 00:06:29.640 --> 00:06:35.640 manner that it can be removed in the future if necessary. Staff also looked at 00:06:35.640 --> 00:06:41.280 Denton Development Code section 4.9.4C, which specifies architectural 00:06:41.280 --> 00:06:44.760 requirements for the Oak Hickory Historic District, and this focused 00:06:44.760 --> 00:06:49.400 specifically on architectural detail, additions, facade materials, front 00:06:49.400 --> 00:06:56.920 entrances, and porches. So it's a long recommendation, but staff recommends 00:06:56.920 --> 00:07:01.720 approval subject to conditions of the Certificate of Appropriate Request to 00:07:01.720 --> 00:07:06.120 add balcony access and railing to the second floor flat roof balcony area at 00:07:06.120 --> 00:07:10.280 607 Pearl Street. As a proposed project meets the Secretary of Interior's 00:07:10.280 --> 00:07:15.000 standards for rehabilitation in section 4.9.4C of the Denton 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:20.280 Development Code, staff is requesting that a structural engineering report be 00:07:20.280 --> 00:07:24.920 provided during the permitting process to confirm that the existing parapet can 00:07:24.920 --> 00:07:29.600 support the weight of the proposed cement railing, and if removed in the 00:07:29.600 --> 00:07:33.800 future, the essential form and integrity of the historic property is unimpaired, 00:07:33.800 --> 00:07:37.960 according to that number 10 of the Secretary of Interior's standards for 00:07:37.960 --> 00:07:42.000 rehabilitation. If the engineering report determines that the existing 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:47.120 parapet cannot support the proposed cement railing and/or be removed in a 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:50.520 manner that retains the essential form and integrity of the historic property, 00:07:50.520 --> 00:07:54.880 staff is recommending that another Certificate of Appropriateness review do 00:07:54.880 --> 00:07:59.560 take place for a new proposed railing design before permitting is 00:07:59.560 --> 00:08:05.880 issued. Any questions? And we do have McCrase here as well, if you have any 00:08:05.880 --> 00:08:12.680 questions for them. Just follow us up on the floor. Go ahead. Is the city going to be 00:08:12.680 --> 00:08:18.120 providing the engineering report, or are we relying on the homeowners to... It would be the homeowners 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:24.880 to provide that to the city. And when you talked about prior to permitting, you mean 00:08:24.880 --> 00:08:29.480 before they go to P&Z for their actual permit, right? It would be before they, so 00:08:29.480 --> 00:08:33.640 if it if it was approved tonight, then they would have to go to building 00:08:33.640 --> 00:08:37.640 permits and get a building permit to add the railing, and that's where this would 00:08:37.640 --> 00:08:42.520 take place. Do we know if the building permit would look into the structural 00:08:42.520 --> 00:08:46.920 integrity of that balcony to make sure that it would meet that? We're wondering if we're just 00:08:46.920 --> 00:08:50.880 double-diving and doing the same work twice, or forcing, and at an expense it's 00:08:50.880 --> 00:08:56.600 not necessary? So they would be requiring that a structural report do take 00:08:56.600 --> 00:09:00.200 place. I did speak to them prior to making that recommendation, just to make sure. 00:09:00.200 --> 00:09:09.040 And they don't need that before we give approval. They will need it down the road. Yes, correct. 00:09:09.040 --> 00:09:22.840 Okay, any other questions? I want to know when there's a party they're going to advise. No kidding. I'll make a motion to 00:09:22.840 --> 00:09:34.520 approve as presented by staff CLA 22-0009. I'll second. Okay, we have a motion and a 00:09:34.520 --> 00:09:39.760 second. You open it for discussion. By the way, I think the homeowners are here if 00:09:39.760 --> 00:09:52.520 you have questions for them. I think it's great. Yeah. Any other 00:09:52.520 --> 00:09:58.400 discussion amongst the commissioners? We have a motion and a second. Let's vote 00:09:58.400 --> 00:10:05.800 then. All in favor, please raise your right hand. Passes unanimously. So, anyway, 00:10:05.800 --> 00:10:09.640 thank you guys. I feel sorry to waste your time to come down for seven and a 00:10:09.640 --> 00:10:18.120 half minutes, but this one is cleaned up. Oh yeah, you are. But thank you 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:21.560 for coming because it's nice for us when we're doing our job. It's real people and 00:10:21.560 --> 00:10:27.500 real homes and it's kind of fun. And we'd love, when you finish, send email a 00:10:27.500 --> 00:10:35.240 picture back just because we like to see it sometimes. Thank you. Thank you so much. 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:47.240 Does it have to be an agenda item? How does that work? No. And you're welcome to stay. We have some notice. Thank you. 00:10:47.240 --> 00:10:57.000 Okay, next on our agenda is HLC 22-0004. It says, "Hold a public meeting to 00:10:57.000 --> 00:11:03.440 discuss the structural integrity of 2011 West Oak Street within the West Oak Historic 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:07.280 District. The site is located on the south side of West Oak Street between 00:11:07.280 --> 00:11:14.320 Miller and North Texas Boulevard. And I believe the homeowner, Mr. DeCivito, is 00:11:14.320 --> 00:11:21.720 going to make or address the commission." Is that correct? Yes. So the floor is here, sir. 00:11:21.720 --> 00:11:27.340 Well, I didn't know I was going to address the commission, but I don't mind. 00:11:27.340 --> 00:11:34.000 My home there on Oak Street is in bad shape and it's, do I need to stand up and 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:37.520 come to you? Or can I do this right here? Oh, no, you. Well, anywhere you're most 00:11:37.520 --> 00:11:57.160 comfortable. Yeah, so you can come up to the table. The house has windows that are 00:11:57.160 --> 00:12:11.160 starting to rot in the front of the home. Three front windows in the front. We have found some 00:12:11.160 --> 00:12:21.720 people that would work with us to try to fix the windows. Spoke with this person. 00:12:21.720 --> 00:12:30.520 We came in and met with Ms. Robinson, and he's drawn up a quote to make the 00:12:30.520 --> 00:12:36.680 repairs on the windows. Okay. Can I pass this around to you? Sure. 00:12:51.720 --> 00:13:18.880 Thank you. So there were windows in there, and talking to the person, Mr. DeVry, he's 00:13:18.880 --> 00:13:26.680 recommending that I take these windows out, replace them with vinyl windows, and 00:13:26.680 --> 00:13:39.480 really here to see what you guys recommend as far as replacing or repairing. 00:13:39.480 --> 00:14:08.080 Well, okay. I tell you what, I believe this is a less formal environment. Okay, so why don't we just throw it on the floor and we'll ask questions and you sort of tell us, what are you planning to do? We're curious about what the house is going to do, and our number one objective is to not see it just sit and decline. Yes. That we at least freeze it so that it's in its current or better, right? I mean. Well, the plan, 00:14:08.080 --> 00:14:37.280 to be honest with you, was to save it for my son here. Okay. And not rent it out. I felt like renters would tear it up, and over the last couple years or so, just sitting, it has done that. So we really would like to fix it and get it back up and running like it used to be for us. 00:14:37.280 --> 00:15:05.480 It used to be for my son to live in when he graduates from college. When is that going to be around? I'm projected to graduate next fall. Not this upcoming fall, but fall after. So is there a financial problem here? No, the problem is finding someone to do it and do it 00:15:05.480 --> 00:15:34.680 the way it should be has been the problem. We've done a number of things that we've repaired the shutters, but we just can't do the windows by ourselves. So this is turning into a collaborative effort with you guys historic, the two of us, and then the gentleman there going to repair it. 00:15:34.680 --> 00:15:54.080 So my question, I have a question for just the three windows, and you're not going to replace anymore. So just three, the three that the rest, the rest need attention. I say love. It just needs some love, but the three up front. 00:15:54.080 --> 00:16:21.480 It's more than that. Well, why not replace those with more wooden windows? Well, I understand the energy efficiency would be not. It has to meet the energy standards. I don't know. Is that what the contractor recommended? 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:45.080 How would the energy has to do with the glass? But I don't know that vinyl is any different from wood than for energy. I mean, for our standards, it's not. Yeah, but vinyl is going to be a much better insulator than wood or a little bit. Certainly, it's probably the worst, but yeah, I think there may be some issues with that. 00:16:45.080 --> 00:17:14.280 I guess I have a procedural question. We're not considering a shift of appropriateness for what kind of windows right now, correct? Correct. Correct. So we're just talking about the structural integrity of the property and kind of, you know, talking to the homeowner about the situation and how it got to where it was and if it is still structurally sound and then kind of moving from there and giving them direction as to whether or not you determine if it's structurally sound or not. 00:17:14.280 --> 00:17:32.400 Because if I guess if it's a 90. Yeah, so if there's a determination that it's structurally unsound, it starts a 90 day clock for the repairs to be done. So basically, it kind of tells the homeowner that you all are interested in the repairs being done sooner rather than later to protect further damage to the home. 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:50.640 If you don't make that finding, they can still come back with a COA, you know, whenever they are able to and come do the project in the future. But this is more just we're talking about it. I think we had some questions maybe about financial considerations or if we needed to get any direction from City Council as well. 00:17:50.640 --> 00:18:04.600 So that's kind of why I ended up on y'all's schedule tonight. But in determination of making the if you make a finding that it is structurally unsound, all that really does is kick off that 90 day clock to get the repairs done. 00:18:04.600 --> 00:18:09.600 Do we have any reason to believe it's structurally unsound? Do we have a report or anything that would indicate that? 00:18:09.600 --> 00:18:33.600 So that was supposed to be provided by the applicant as part of the 10 day notice. That was provided saying, you know, please provide evidence as to being structurally sound. So it's more of a discussion. I don't know if they have any of that paperwork, obviously. 00:18:33.600 --> 00:18:47.600 But the reason that this was brought to the attention of Agile C in the first place is that these windows have been open air and there has been access to, you know, rain, who knows what else is coming in. 00:18:47.600 --> 00:18:55.600 But obviously from code enforcement's perspective, they can't go inside the property. They just are being told from what's going on on the outside of the property. 00:18:55.600 --> 00:19:05.600 I recall last time there was an issue, like there was boards over it to keep the rain out. There are. Yeah. So there's a board in the front. And then there's this board on the side. 00:19:05.600 --> 00:19:19.600 It just opened. That one there just. This one? Yes ma'am. What do you mean? Well, just the glass just fell out. It came out. So it's open there. But that just happened. 00:19:19.600 --> 00:19:32.600 Before I was told to board those things up. And so I went ahead and did that. I don't like the way it looks, but I needed to board it up until I could get someone to repair it. 00:19:32.600 --> 00:19:47.600 I now have someone to repair it. And so really, as far as structure, I thought you were talking about the window being, but the building itself is fine. The windows are. 00:19:47.600 --> 00:19:54.600 But my concern is before we order windows, what type of windows would you guys approve? 00:19:54.600 --> 00:20:02.600 So, Cameron, you probably can tell that process better than anybody about that. When he decides to get windows and how to get approval on that. 00:20:02.600 --> 00:20:13.600 Right. So it's kind of similar to what we discussed, I guess, two weeks ago now when I stated, you know, due to the kind of the deterioration at the bottom. 00:20:13.600 --> 00:20:24.600 You know, I wasn't sure what the contractor could do in terms of saving that. It would probably have to be a new frame to do it wood on the bottom again, because I don't know what the top looks like. 00:20:24.600 --> 00:20:31.600 And because those don't seem to be the issue. It's the water going in at the bottom down there on the bottom sash. 00:20:31.600 --> 00:20:40.600 But regarding, you know, we had discussed vinyl as being an option as well. And due to the fact that they were deteriorated. 00:20:40.600 --> 00:20:50.600 So we did have those discussions of what they were looking for, but I did inform them that it kind of depends on HLC as staff can do an analysis. 00:20:50.600 --> 00:20:56.600 But that you all are the ultimate ones who decide and that sometimes it's been more wood. 00:20:56.600 --> 00:21:01.600 Sometimes it's been vinyl as long as the style, you know, stays and that design stays. 00:21:01.600 --> 00:21:12.600 So I, you know, I informed them of that and that it'd be kind of more of a discussion, but that maybe there could be some guidance of what has been done in the past. 00:21:12.600 --> 00:21:20.600 Would this be like sort of an advisory opinion or something to homeowners? I mean, is that really? But it's we're not going to vote on that. 00:21:20.600 --> 00:21:22.600 No, no. 00:21:22.600 --> 00:21:40.600 Okay. Right. I think coming out, we're supposed to make a finding if we feel like the building is not structurally sound at the moment, which triggers a 90 day window, or we can not make a finding at all. 00:21:40.600 --> 00:21:50.600 I don't think we have any basis for which to make a finding about that. Do we have a definition of structurally unsound? 00:21:50.600 --> 00:21:53.600 I don't think there is one either. 00:21:53.600 --> 00:21:57.600 Let me ask the homeowner a couple more questions. Does the roof leak now or does it sound inside? 00:21:57.600 --> 00:21:59.600 No, it's a brand new roof. 00:21:59.600 --> 00:22:08.600 Okay, so if not water other than through these windows, if it rains, water doesn't get in. What is the floor? Talk about the floor. 00:22:08.600 --> 00:22:16.600 There's no water getting in. The issue on this front window and the one on the side, I boarded that up. 00:22:16.600 --> 00:22:22.600 So the window, 00:22:22.600 --> 00:22:25.600 I can't see what that window is. Is that the side one? 00:22:25.600 --> 00:22:28.600 Sorry. Yes, so that's the side one. 00:22:28.600 --> 00:22:41.600 So those have been boarded up. There's no water getting in there in the front one. The front window, that window pane just came out. 00:22:41.600 --> 00:22:45.600 I believe that's the front one. Yes. Yes, that is the front one. 00:22:45.600 --> 00:22:55.600 And so there's no water getting in there at all. But it's all on the outside. And you can see what's... 00:22:55.600 --> 00:22:57.600 Can you scroll up just a little bit? Yeah. 00:22:57.600 --> 00:23:04.600 But the window where the board is only 80% of the way up there, there's no way water isn't getting in there. 00:23:04.600 --> 00:23:06.600 Oh, I see what you're saying. 00:23:06.600 --> 00:23:16.600 In other words, I guarantee you water is getting in there. I mean, that would need to be something that I would want to see addressed soon. 00:23:16.600 --> 00:23:25.600 Okay. Not tomorrow. But our preference would be to see you come back with the COA with windows now. 00:23:25.600 --> 00:23:33.600 That's not for tonight. But I think we're just interested in making sure water isn't getting in anywhere. Yes, ma'am. Go ahead. 00:23:33.600 --> 00:23:43.600 My concern for the windows is that we would like to see eye wood in a historic structure for it to be consistent. 00:23:43.600 --> 00:23:48.600 So in other words, if you're going to go in with vinyl windows, all of them be vinyl. 00:23:48.600 --> 00:23:54.600 Because from what we see on the side, they're going to have a vinyl window next to a wood window. See the wood window? 00:23:54.600 --> 00:23:58.600 They're all wood on the side, yes. So it's going to be wood next to vinyl. 00:23:58.600 --> 00:24:04.600 Well, those windows aren't being replaced. Just the three in the front of the home. 00:24:04.600 --> 00:24:11.600 I understand. I'm saying with the material for what you're saying, you're going to have everything else wood and then just those vinyl. 00:24:11.600 --> 00:24:13.600 Yes, those three would be vinyl. 00:24:13.600 --> 00:24:20.600 Not that I would be opposed to vinyl, but I would be opposed with kind of a hodgepodge of what's in the house. 00:24:20.600 --> 00:24:35.600 So those three windows in the front would be vinyl like she's talking about. 00:24:35.600 --> 00:24:43.600 The sides, they need to be painted and glazed and things that can be restored without an issue. 00:24:43.600 --> 00:24:47.600 But the three in the front need to be replaced. 00:24:47.600 --> 00:24:54.600 And so you're saying the vinyl in the front would clash with the wood? 00:24:54.600 --> 00:24:57.600 Well, it's going to be right next to one that's still going to be wood. 00:24:57.600 --> 00:25:02.600 That poses an interesting question, I think. If you've got one window that's deteriorated and needs to be replaced, 00:25:02.600 --> 00:25:10.600 and another one that can be restored, and the preference is to be restored, would we really want to destroy something that's able to be preserved? 00:25:10.600 --> 00:25:17.600 No, but you could do the other ones wood to look more like it and be more uniform and consistent. 00:25:17.600 --> 00:25:28.600 Because if we're talking about just vinyl for energy efficient, and you only have three windows that are. 00:25:28.600 --> 00:25:37.600 I think to summarize, when you come back with your COA to replace the windows, which you will need to do, 00:25:37.600 --> 00:25:43.600 you're going to have much easier growing if you're coming back with wooden windows, just like the other ones are windows. 00:25:43.600 --> 00:25:50.600 If you come back with vinyl, we need some information. 00:25:50.600 --> 00:25:57.600 But to push for us on these is to try and keep the wooden original flavor of the house. 00:25:57.600 --> 00:26:02.600 Well, it's just three windows, so it might not be that much additional cost to keep them wood. 00:26:02.600 --> 00:26:12.600 I think we would suggest that you do that just to make the whole process of getting forward with the COA. 00:26:12.600 --> 00:26:20.600 I just think that it would be nice to have all the windows the same kind of window. 00:26:20.600 --> 00:26:29.600 If there's something wrong with them and the others need to be replaced, then you might replace the whole house with vinyl windows. 00:26:29.600 --> 00:26:35.600 Well, that's the thing. The rest of the windows aren't damaged. 00:26:35.600 --> 00:26:41.600 They need window glazing and paint and all that, and that can be done. 00:26:41.600 --> 00:26:52.600 But it sounds to me that what you're recommending is put the wood and the three that need to be replaced and then restore the rest around it. 00:26:52.600 --> 00:27:01.600 Well, let me clarify that. I don't think our job is really recommended. It suggests some things to you that we think might be more appropriate than less appropriate. 00:27:01.600 --> 00:27:08.600 And I think it would be magnificent if you were to put wooden windows back in this home. 00:27:08.600 --> 00:27:11.600 But obviously, cost has to be an issue, right? 00:27:11.600 --> 00:27:24.600 It's not only cost that they said. They said the actual taking all of the wood out is a major concern around the rest and putting it back in. 00:27:24.600 --> 00:27:27.600 Would you be doing that with a vinyl window too? 00:27:27.600 --> 00:27:30.600 And I don't know anything about windows. I'm just learning. 00:27:30.600 --> 00:27:37.600 But what they're telling me is that the vinyl is able to take out a couple pieces from the side and the vinyl goes in. 00:27:37.600 --> 00:27:47.600 With the wood, they're going to take quite a bit more of all the window and some of the surrounding area out as well. 00:27:47.600 --> 00:27:53.600 So you're talking about the framing. Is it a pulley system? Do you know if those are pulleys? They are a pulley system? 00:27:53.600 --> 00:27:58.600 OK, so they would have to go into the sides of the frame itself and work on the pulley system. 00:27:58.600 --> 00:28:01.600 Do you have to do that regardless of the movement? 00:28:01.600 --> 00:28:02.600 Correct, yes. 00:28:02.600 --> 00:28:14.600 Yeah, I think probably to just talk to your installer and see if you can see what those options are and make whatever decision you feel is best. 00:28:14.600 --> 00:28:20.600 And before you finalize it, bring it by us and we'll put a sticker of appropriateness. 00:28:20.600 --> 00:28:25.600 We'll either stand here or come up with another suggestion. 00:28:25.600 --> 00:28:31.600 OK, so our goal tonight was either to make a binding or to not make a binding. 00:28:31.600 --> 00:28:36.600 I don't think you can make a motion not to make a binding. 00:28:36.600 --> 00:28:38.600 I think silence would be appropriate there. 00:28:38.600 --> 00:28:45.600 So I'll just close the mic and either have a motion that it's structurally unsound. 00:28:45.600 --> 00:28:51.600 I do have a question. With the windows sorted up, how long is that allowed? 00:28:51.600 --> 00:28:56.600 Because we wouldn't allow that over windows. 00:28:56.600 --> 00:29:02.600 You know, like what I'm saying is to me, the boards overall is not it's a temporary fix, not a permanent fix. 00:29:02.600 --> 00:29:07.600 So is there a time frame on how long they have from the boards up on the windows? 00:29:07.600 --> 00:29:10.600 So speaking with code enforcement, there is not. 00:29:10.600 --> 00:29:17.600 It's just they want to make sure that the property itself is secured and safely secured. 00:29:17.600 --> 00:29:19.600 And so that's why they asked him to board it. 00:29:19.600 --> 00:29:25.600 But there is no time limit from what I understand talking with code enforcement of how long those boards can be on there. 00:29:25.600 --> 00:29:31.600 There is there's a house near my neighborhood that has been boarded up for more than a year. 00:29:31.600 --> 00:29:33.600 I don't like the boards. 00:29:33.600 --> 00:29:41.600 This was this was done because they say this is more than just a window pane to put in. 00:29:41.600 --> 00:29:49.600 If it was just another front one, if it's if it's just a window pane, I put the window pane in one of our business, but it's more than that. 00:29:49.600 --> 00:29:54.600 It's more than what I can do is more than what I could do in 10 days or six weeks. 00:29:54.600 --> 00:29:58.600 And and I could order and put some in. 00:29:58.600 --> 00:30:04.600 But what I don't want to do is order and then not have approved from you guys or whoever it is. 00:30:04.600 --> 00:30:14.600 I would just like to know if it's wood windows, let's get wood windows and then get these boards taken down and start making this home beautiful. 00:30:14.600 --> 00:30:25.600 Just this has to be something we work together because I can't just do it. You guys have to advise me and then I have to find someone to order the windows. 00:30:25.600 --> 00:30:28.600 I just don't think we could tell you what to do. I mean, it's your home. 00:30:28.600 --> 00:30:37.600 So I think it's I think it's a situation where you pick what you want and then we review it for the standards and then this meets it or doesn't. 00:30:37.600 --> 00:30:44.600 OK, so what happens next? And one thing we could agree on is if you say, OK, it's June 13th. 00:30:44.600 --> 00:30:51.600 If you can have a C.O.A. back here by August something, we all agree that it's a couple of months. 00:30:51.600 --> 00:30:53.600 The C.O.A. doesn't mean you have to do it by then. 00:30:53.600 --> 00:31:02.600 It just means you've gotten with the builder and you said these repairs make the most sense given that, you know, we prefer wood to see. 00:31:02.600 --> 00:31:06.600 And if you can't do that, then you can tell us. I can't do it because here's why. 00:31:06.600 --> 00:31:10.600 And your C.O.A. is worse since it's all that stuff. 00:31:10.600 --> 00:31:13.600 But and obviously we can't command you to show back up August 13th. 00:31:13.600 --> 00:31:24.600 Our suggestion or the agreement would be work up something that you run by us and get permission because then we know you're at least on the process. 00:31:24.600 --> 00:31:27.600 Well, we don't want to have another complaint in December. 00:31:27.600 --> 00:31:33.600 Nothing's changed because then we're sitting there going, well, you didn't do anything. 00:31:33.600 --> 00:31:38.600 And so then I'd want to see what was behind the partially boarded up window. 00:31:38.600 --> 00:31:49.600 I mean, I don't want to say our job is we want the house to at least stay in the condition it's in and not get worse. 00:31:49.600 --> 00:31:52.600 And we'd love to see you start working on it. 00:31:52.600 --> 00:32:00.600 Well, when you say start working on it, can I start working on it now or do I have to come in and bring? 00:32:00.600 --> 00:32:06.600 You have to you probably need you need a C.O.A. because you're an historic district or you can hire anybody to do the work. 00:32:06.600 --> 00:32:11.600 OK, you're really supposed to have one if you're going to do the work, I think now, but I don't know that. 00:32:11.600 --> 00:32:17.600 But what you really have to do is get back with the guy that's going to help you and say, hey, they really want what can we do? 00:32:17.600 --> 00:32:22.600 And then he writes up something, you do an application, you bring it to us and you can be on our next agenda. 00:32:22.600 --> 00:32:25.600 And I can assist you all with that. 00:32:25.600 --> 00:32:27.600 Can I ask you one more question? Sure. 00:32:27.600 --> 00:32:32.600 We're just talking, I think. And now this is emotional here. 00:32:32.600 --> 00:32:42.600 Is there any way that you would accept repairing or restoring the windows? 00:32:42.600 --> 00:32:48.600 This has been brought up and it's been brought up at a. 00:32:48.600 --> 00:32:54.600 Well, I guess I guess if you're talking about repairing it, you would like. 00:32:54.600 --> 00:32:58.600 Wood windows, you would like for it to stay wood. 00:32:58.600 --> 00:33:02.600 Yes, we want consistency, consistency. 00:33:02.600 --> 00:33:10.600 OK, so but if you want to be repaired, I'm sorry, if they can be repaired. 00:33:10.600 --> 00:33:14.600 We don't have anything against repairing. 00:33:14.600 --> 00:33:19.600 We prefer the matter of fact, because the original stuff stays as much as possible. 00:33:19.600 --> 00:33:28.600 So that would be that would be the instance of just replacing that bottom sash with wood versus replacing the whole window with vinyl. 00:33:28.600 --> 00:33:33.600 Which may not be an option since the other paint fell out. 00:33:33.600 --> 00:33:35.600 We're only going by pictures, right? 00:33:35.600 --> 00:33:45.600 So we're saying if it's not an option to repair, replace, replace with with wood or stay consistent throughout the house. 00:33:45.600 --> 00:33:49.600 OK. I think I'm with you now. 00:33:49.600 --> 00:34:05.600 OK, so either all vinyl, the whole house vinyl or all wood, new wood for the three windows or repair the wood and keep the wood for the three windows. 00:34:05.600 --> 00:34:09.600 Replace, repair or all new vinyl. 00:34:09.600 --> 00:34:11.600 Yes, OK. 00:34:11.600 --> 00:34:17.600 You know, repairing is because it's a sort of structure, we want to leave as much of what was there originally there as possible. 00:34:17.600 --> 00:34:20.600 Obviously, repair will be replaced. 00:34:20.600 --> 00:34:23.600 But if you're going to replace, be consistent with what was there originally. 00:34:23.600 --> 00:34:33.600 OK, I agree about about replacing items that are that are still sound that can be restored. 00:34:33.600 --> 00:34:39.600 I think there's I think it goes against kind of the purpose of this just to preserve. 00:34:39.600 --> 00:34:42.600 Even if it's partial preservation, it's still preservation. 00:34:42.600 --> 00:34:48.600 I'm not sure that I agree with the notion of, well, if you're going to do some vinyl, just do them all. 00:34:48.600 --> 00:34:55.600 You know, because at the end of the day, looking at it from 10 feet, you probably wouldn't tell the difference. 00:34:55.600 --> 00:35:01.600 Regardless, especially if it's, you know, painted vinyl. 00:35:01.600 --> 00:35:03.600 I don't know that I agree there. 00:35:03.600 --> 00:35:13.600 That's something that, like, so, for example, if you brought, you know, this with a more got with Cameron and got and just did this as a COA, I'm not. 00:35:13.600 --> 00:35:19.600 You know, I couldn't say that we would or would not approve just just as you presented it. 00:35:19.600 --> 00:35:22.600 It's just we can't do that here because it has been a COA. 00:35:22.600 --> 00:35:27.600 OK, because the builders and I've looked at a bunch of them. 00:35:27.600 --> 00:35:33.600 They look. 00:35:33.600 --> 00:35:36.600 It would be different, but I don't know. 00:35:36.600 --> 00:35:46.600 I don't know if you could tell, like you said, from the street, from the front of the yard. 00:35:46.600 --> 00:35:52.600 This is just me personally, but if there is, you know, if it can't, if windows can't be preserved that are original to the house. 00:35:52.600 --> 00:35:54.600 Well, I guess that's the next question. 00:35:54.600 --> 00:35:57.600 Are these original windows to the house when there is? 00:35:57.600 --> 00:35:58.600 I believe they are. 00:35:58.600 --> 00:36:01.600 They have their place with the police. 00:36:01.600 --> 00:36:02.600 Yeah. 00:36:02.600 --> 00:36:06.600 So, I mean, if those can be preserved, for me, that would be the preference. 00:36:06.600 --> 00:36:13.600 But I think there's all kinds of different ways to approach this that would probably get everybody's approval. 00:36:13.600 --> 00:36:16.600 It's just, you know, whatever you prefer. 00:36:16.600 --> 00:36:22.600 And then and then bring that, you know, and then it'll either be approved or not or with with conditions. 00:36:22.600 --> 00:36:30.600 If because we would love to keep all the rest of those windows. 00:36:30.600 --> 00:36:37.600 There's I mean, they work and they're nice windows, but they need love. 00:36:37.600 --> 00:36:38.600 Right. 00:36:38.600 --> 00:36:54.600 But the three, I think if I understand you, I can bring a COA with this on it. 00:36:54.600 --> 00:36:56.600 You guys can vote on it. 00:36:56.600 --> 00:36:57.600 Correct. 00:36:57.600 --> 00:36:58.600 Yes. 00:36:58.600 --> 00:37:00.600 Approve or not approve and. 00:37:00.600 --> 00:37:02.600 Or approve with conditions. 00:37:02.600 --> 00:37:03.600 Okay. 00:37:03.600 --> 00:37:04.600 Good option. 00:37:04.600 --> 00:37:05.600 Okay. 00:37:05.600 --> 00:37:12.600 I can provide a couple of examples because we've actually had a couple of window projects come through in this year alone. 00:37:12.600 --> 00:37:24.600 So I can provide you all the some examples of what people have done in the past and kind of what the expectations are of HLC in terms of what they want to look at when they're looking at these COAs for windows. 00:37:24.600 --> 00:37:38.600 I think one of the things that might be helpful to you and Cameron can work with you on this as well is showing your thought process like if you go back to your contractor and you talk through the wood option and he says, well, here's the 10 reasons why that's a bad idea. 00:37:38.600 --> 00:37:43.600 If you can summarize those and like include those in your application, that can really help the board as well. 00:37:43.600 --> 00:37:53.600 So you can include like there's a list of things you have to include with a COA, but kind of those additional pieces that will help kind of summarize what you've taken from the conversation and kind of what steps you took to incorporate. 00:37:53.600 --> 00:38:01.600 The commission's advice from tonight is really helpful in the next step because then you're you got almost a full house here today. 00:38:01.600 --> 00:38:03.600 I think we're only missing one commissioner. 00:38:03.600 --> 00:38:12.600 So you've heard from most of them, but it would at least give some insight as to I think at this point, a lot of people ask, well, why can't you just do an in-kind replacement wood for wood? 00:38:12.600 --> 00:38:18.600 And there's some real reasons from contractor perspectives as to why you can't do that. 00:38:18.600 --> 00:38:23.600 And our code is flexible from a legal perspective to allow things like that. 00:38:23.600 --> 00:38:31.600 So it just depends on the board's decision-making process and the more information they have, the better they can make an informed decision. 00:38:31.600 --> 00:38:36.600 Are we doing anything tonight that's going to impact the sort of that 90-day window? 00:38:36.600 --> 00:38:44.600 No, so I'm going to leave the floor open for 10 more seconds. If I don't hear a motion, we'll consider the agenda item closed. 00:38:44.600 --> 00:38:51.600 So that would be a motion to find the structure itself of themselves? 00:38:51.600 --> 00:38:52.600 Yes. 00:38:52.600 --> 00:38:56.600 That would be the motion I would need for us to, that would trigger the 90-day window. 00:38:56.600 --> 00:38:59.600 10 seconds has now passed without a motion. 00:38:59.600 --> 00:39:06.600 Okay, so we're not going to make a finding that your home is structurally unsound, which does not trigger a timer. 00:39:06.600 --> 00:39:10.600 We strongly encourage you to get with the builder and bring something back. 00:39:10.600 --> 00:39:13.600 Let's get going and we'll work you as much as we can. 00:39:13.600 --> 00:39:20.600 And Cameron's really good about, I think he'll go for this or they won't, meaning us, things that meet with codes. 00:39:20.600 --> 00:39:26.600 Okay, and I apologize because I know you're getting conflicting information from different people. 00:39:26.600 --> 00:39:29.600 And it's because we just have different opinions on it. 00:39:29.600 --> 00:39:32.600 And that's just kind of how this works and so on. 00:39:32.600 --> 00:39:38.600 That's why we can't really give you a set of, here's what you need to do, this is what we want because it's going to be, 00:39:38.600 --> 00:39:41.600 it's going to come down to a vote and who thinks what and that sort of thing. 00:39:41.600 --> 00:39:48.600 So it's hard for any one person to say this is exactly what we want as a whole. 00:39:48.600 --> 00:39:50.600 Any other thing I would offer? 00:39:50.600 --> 00:39:55.600 They're trying their best to give you their thoughts right now. 00:39:55.600 --> 00:40:02.600 But it's because of how the agenda item is posted on the agenda and what they're tasked with their finding. 00:40:02.600 --> 00:40:09.600 They're specifically tasked with tonight determining whether or not the structure was believed to be unsound or not. 00:40:09.600 --> 00:40:15.600 They weren't posted for consideration of what type of windows to be installed. 00:40:15.600 --> 00:40:21.600 And they don't have all of your application materials to understand the types of windows that you would keep proposing. 00:40:21.600 --> 00:40:27.600 So that's why they happen to walk a fine line to some regards regarding that. 00:40:27.600 --> 00:40:32.600 So I think they're trying to help you where they can, but understand that they need the certificate of appropriateness. 00:40:32.600 --> 00:40:34.600 And we can talk more afterwards. 00:40:34.600 --> 00:40:39.600 That's a much better way to say it. 00:40:39.600 --> 00:40:45.600 Hopefully you've done something about it and we look forward to seeing this house soon. 00:40:45.600 --> 00:40:50.600 I think it's going to be, it's a beautiful home, great neighborhood, just going to be great. 00:40:50.600 --> 00:40:52.600 It'll be a great home for you. 00:40:52.600 --> 00:40:54.600 Oh yes ma'am. 00:40:54.600 --> 00:40:56.600 Can't wait. 00:40:56.600 --> 00:40:57.600 Thank you for coming. 00:40:57.600 --> 00:40:58.600 Thank you. 00:40:58.600 --> 00:41:00.600 Can I ask one last final question? 00:41:00.600 --> 00:41:01.600 Sure. 00:41:01.600 --> 00:41:14.600 The COA, would I put on there both types, vinyl or wood or just one at a time? 00:41:14.600 --> 00:41:18.600 I think what we can do is why don't you meet with Cameron. 00:41:18.600 --> 00:41:21.600 Maybe you guys get together tomorrow if your schedule allows or Wednesday. 00:41:21.600 --> 00:41:24.600 I know Tuesdays and Wednesdays she's usually in a bunch of meetings. 00:41:24.600 --> 00:41:30.600 But maybe the two of you connect and she can advise you best as to what to include on your application or not. 00:41:30.600 --> 00:41:37.600 But use Cameron as a resource and she can help get your application the best possible position for the commission's consideration. 00:41:37.600 --> 00:41:46.600 So me personally, I can't speak for the whole, but I would also like to know if you have different options, what your preference on those options is. 00:41:46.600 --> 00:41:50.600 I mean, because after all, this is your home and he's going to be living there. 00:41:50.600 --> 00:41:54.600 We've looked from afar. 00:41:54.600 --> 00:41:56.600 Well there's two. 00:41:56.600 --> 00:42:00.600 One is something like the vinyl and get it done and be done with it. 00:42:00.600 --> 00:42:06.600 But clearly it's wood and the beauty of it and the function of it and all of that. 00:42:06.600 --> 00:42:15.600 So I think I would just have to see if these gentlemen can do that without creating more damage. 00:42:15.600 --> 00:42:21.600 So they also make vinyl windows with a wood facade and that may be something you want to look into as well. 00:42:21.600 --> 00:42:33.600 And that would have the same look. It would match what you were actually were speaking of the continuity of the symmetry consistency of it all. 00:42:33.600 --> 00:42:38.600 I assume I can find something like that. I look too hard at the windows to be able to compare it. 00:42:38.600 --> 00:42:40.600 Something maybe to look at. 00:42:40.600 --> 00:42:43.600 You kind of have to do the best you can sometimes. 00:42:43.600 --> 00:42:51.600 So we can talk. I can email you all after the search tomorrow morning. We can set up a time and we can discuss. 00:42:51.600 --> 00:42:59.600 We can kind of discuss prior options, but taking this kind of condense that and kind of talk about some more options that you all have. 00:42:59.600 --> 00:43:02.600 Our goal is to get this done. 00:43:02.600 --> 00:43:06.600 This is really why we want to get it done and figure out what it is so we can. 00:43:06.600 --> 00:43:10.600 Because the gentleman also told me that the order of the windows is 12 weeks or so. 00:43:10.600 --> 00:43:13.600 So that's if you're lucky. 00:43:13.600 --> 00:43:16.600 We had to wait eight months on ours. It was insane. 00:43:16.600 --> 00:43:20.600 But I think it's cleared up since then. 00:43:20.600 --> 00:43:26.600 Okay, that closes this section, section two of our agenda, I believe. 00:43:26.600 --> 00:43:30.600 So now we'll move to section three, which is the work section part. 00:43:30.600 --> 00:43:34.600 Receive HLC 22-061. 00:43:34.600 --> 00:43:41.600 You're welcome to stay. 00:43:41.600 --> 00:43:43.600 Thank you for coming. 00:43:43.600 --> 00:43:46.600 HLC 22-061. 00:43:46.600 --> 00:43:55.600 Receive a report and hold the discussion regarding dent and reveal preservation month 2022. 00:43:55.600 --> 00:43:58.600 Chair, so this is a fun presentation. 00:43:58.600 --> 00:44:05.600 This is kind of just running through what went down during that revealed for the preservation of 2022. 00:44:05.600 --> 00:44:09.600 So just kind of an overview, we had eight events over three weeks. 00:44:09.600 --> 00:44:17.600 This included three workshops, three walking tours, a bar crawl, a story time and one lecture. 00:44:17.600 --> 00:44:23.600 We also had a This Place Matters campaign on social media on Preserve Denton's Instagram. 00:44:23.600 --> 00:44:28.600 It was sponsored by the City of Denton, Denton Public Library, Denton County Office of History and Culture. 00:44:28.600 --> 00:44:35.600 And there are there were seven partnerships throughout that that I'll go into a little bit more detail on. 00:44:35.600 --> 00:44:38.600 So these were the partnerships during that. 00:44:38.600 --> 00:44:41.600 We had Discover Denton and Denton Chamber of Commerce. 00:44:41.600 --> 00:44:43.600 They were kind of the publicity and marketing. 00:44:43.600 --> 00:44:46.600 And then we had Hull Millwork. 00:44:46.600 --> 00:44:50.600 They were the first event that we had with that window restoration workshop. 00:44:50.600 --> 00:44:56.600 And that was paired with all three of these sponsors right here. 00:44:56.600 --> 00:45:02.600 Then we had another event with Co-File that was hunting your house history workshop. 00:45:02.600 --> 00:45:04.600 They are a preservation firm. 00:45:04.600 --> 00:45:07.600 They preserve a lot of government documents. 00:45:07.600 --> 00:45:12.600 And that's what the county uses, the appraisal district uses. 00:45:12.600 --> 00:45:17.600 We also had historic designation, how to designate your property in Denton. 00:45:17.600 --> 00:45:21.600 That was with the Texas Historical Commission and the city. 00:45:21.600 --> 00:45:28.600 So me and RCL certified local government rep came up from Austin and we presented that. 00:45:28.600 --> 00:45:33.600 And then the last kind of events that we had were on the 21st and 22nd. 00:45:33.600 --> 00:45:41.600 On the 21st, that was a culmination of the City of Denton, Stronger Denton and Denton Main Street Association. 00:45:41.600 --> 00:45:48.600 That was a small-scale development workshop and their Imagine the Possibilities Tour. 00:45:48.600 --> 00:45:55.600 So this is just estimated attendance for city, county, and Denton Public Library events specifically. 00:45:55.600 --> 00:46:01.600 The window restoration workshop had approximately 15 people in attendance, which you can see up here, 00:46:01.600 --> 00:46:04.600 which is great, which is at the Emily Thado Library. 00:46:04.600 --> 00:46:08.600 The Oakwood Cemetery Tour had about 35 people in attendance. 00:46:08.600 --> 00:46:14.600 I guess the biggest feedback we got from that is that there's lots of planes that fly overhead and also the train. 00:46:14.600 --> 00:46:17.600 And the wind was very strong and we did not have a microphone. 00:46:17.600 --> 00:46:20.600 So that would be helpful for in the future. 00:46:20.600 --> 00:46:27.600 Storytime was really popular and that was 31 kids and adults in attendance and they did some coloring at that. 00:46:27.600 --> 00:46:30.600 Hunting Your House History Workshop was about 15. 00:46:30.600 --> 00:46:35.600 And then historic designation lecture was six, which we kind of expected would be smaller. 00:46:35.600 --> 00:46:41.600 Not everyone has interest in designating their properties, but we wanted to make sure that people know that's available 00:46:41.600 --> 00:46:47.600 and that there are some tax incentives at the national, state, and local level for that. 00:46:47.600 --> 00:46:50.600 Was there a lot of overlap? 00:46:50.600 --> 00:46:53.600 This day, on the 14th, we had a lot of overlap. 00:46:53.600 --> 00:46:58.600 And then we did see some people from the 7th also at the cemetery tour. 00:46:58.600 --> 00:47:06.600 A lot of younger people at the cemetery tour had a lot of interest in the gravestones and the headstones. 00:47:06.600 --> 00:47:09.600 So these are just some pictures that we have. 00:47:09.600 --> 00:47:11.600 We have our Small Scale Development Workshop. 00:47:11.600 --> 00:47:13.600 This was the Imagine the Possibilities. 00:47:13.600 --> 00:47:15.600 Den Main Street did that. 00:47:15.600 --> 00:47:18.600 City and County Proclamations. 00:47:18.600 --> 00:47:20.600 This Place Matters Campaign. 00:47:20.600 --> 00:47:22.600 You can see Monica in there. 00:47:22.600 --> 00:47:27.600 And then our Window Restoration Workshop with Brent Hall, who's here. 00:47:27.600 --> 00:47:29.600 And then DTV actually did some filming. 00:47:29.600 --> 00:47:31.600 Split and stuff like that. 00:47:31.600 --> 00:47:33.600 I feel like you get the blood epoxy. 00:47:33.600 --> 00:47:35.600 You know it was a video. 00:47:35.600 --> 00:47:37.600 Abitron. 00:47:37.600 --> 00:47:38.600 What? 00:47:38.600 --> 00:47:40.600 So we also did some YouTube videos. 00:47:40.600 --> 00:47:45.600 Denton Television did some of the videos, which turned out to be really, really great. 00:47:45.600 --> 00:47:48.600 One was for Whole Mill Works, and another one was the Oakwood Cemetery Tour. 00:47:48.600 --> 00:47:55.600 And I believe they did the Storytime, but that's more for the Denton Public Library website. 00:47:57.600 --> 00:48:02.600 So some of the successes were we created new interests in historic preservation. 00:48:02.600 --> 00:48:05.600 Business owners who became really interested in it. 00:48:05.600 --> 00:48:10.600 Members of the public who had never really heard about preservation were really interested. 00:48:10.600 --> 00:48:13.600 Did not cost us a dime to put this on. 00:48:13.600 --> 00:48:14.600 It was free. 00:48:14.600 --> 00:48:20.600 Except for the bar crawl, which I did not attend, but that's our Denton Main Street. 00:48:20.600 --> 00:48:25.600 We were able to create new and stronger relationships with some of those partners. 00:48:25.600 --> 00:48:30.600 People were really excited for next year and wanted to know what we were already planning. 00:48:30.600 --> 00:48:32.600 And then social media outreach. 00:48:32.600 --> 00:48:36.600 We were able to cover a lot of ground with Facebook and Instagram and YouTube. 00:48:36.600 --> 00:48:40.600 People seemed to like having all those different levels of social media. 00:48:40.600 --> 00:48:44.600 In terms of lessons learned, you need to market it a lot earlier. 00:48:44.600 --> 00:48:50.600 A lot of people said, well if you had put it out back in January, we would have known. 00:48:50.600 --> 00:48:54.600 With a team of four, that's a lesson learned for sure. 00:48:54.600 --> 00:48:57.600 More county-wide outreach and organization participation. 00:48:57.600 --> 00:49:01.600 We only had about, most people from the city of Denton. 00:49:01.600 --> 00:49:10.600 We had about four women attend on that Saturday the 14th with hunting your house history and designation from Justin, Texas. 00:49:10.600 --> 00:49:15.600 Because they had some interests in learning about some designations and fixing up their property. 00:49:15.600 --> 00:49:17.600 Keeping it simple. 00:49:17.600 --> 00:49:18.600 People seemed to like that. 00:49:18.600 --> 00:49:20.600 Don't overthink it too much. 00:49:20.600 --> 00:49:24.600 Obviously participation from city and county historic commissions. 00:49:24.600 --> 00:49:26.600 We had talked about this. 00:49:26.600 --> 00:49:31.600 It was something that since we were pulling it together, it didn't get to you all until March. 00:49:31.600 --> 00:49:38.600 So obviously moving on to the next year, we'd like to all be part of that. 00:49:38.600 --> 00:49:42.600 Building this process and building up the events for that month would be great. 00:49:42.600 --> 00:49:43.600 And then more children's events. 00:49:43.600 --> 00:49:52.600 We had a lot of people who said, you have a lot of great events for adults, but we'd love to see more kids friendly events if possible. 00:49:52.600 --> 00:49:55.600 And then that's it. 00:49:55.600 --> 00:50:02.600 But I just wanted to give you all that overview just because it was a fun month of events. 00:50:02.600 --> 00:50:08.600 And it seemed to be successful and people seemed really interested in looking forward to the future. 00:50:08.600 --> 00:50:13.600 But I wanted to give you all that overview just so you kind of know where we were at at the end of the month. 00:50:13.600 --> 00:50:16.600 There were no pictures from the bar crawl, was there a reason? 00:50:16.600 --> 00:50:18.600 I did not attend the bar crawl. 00:50:18.600 --> 00:50:19.600 I can show you some. 00:50:19.600 --> 00:50:21.600 I was saying Marcella did. 00:50:21.600 --> 00:50:23.600 That's cool. I just thought that was curious. 00:50:23.600 --> 00:50:24.600 No, it was actually really fun. 00:50:24.600 --> 00:50:25.600 I went with my mom. 00:50:25.600 --> 00:50:26.600 She was in town. 00:50:26.600 --> 00:50:27.600 We did the bar crawl. 00:50:27.600 --> 00:50:29.600 And they had a lot of really interesting stuff to talk about. 00:50:29.600 --> 00:50:31.600 A lot of the buildings had really interesting histories. 00:50:31.600 --> 00:50:34.600 So I think it was, I did that and then the cemetery tour. 00:50:34.600 --> 00:50:36.600 Then Cameron went together. 00:50:36.600 --> 00:50:39.600 This was down on the square. 00:50:39.600 --> 00:50:43.600 Denton actually has a lot of history with species. 00:50:43.600 --> 00:50:50.600 So that's kind of what they're, I think that was their theme. 00:50:50.600 --> 00:50:54.600 They basically had the different bars kind of talk about their historic buildings 00:50:54.600 --> 00:51:01.600 and then how they renovated them and the process and kind of figuring out the history of who was there before. 00:51:01.600 --> 00:51:07.600 So that's really interesting. Everyone was really knowledgeable about their building and who had kind of inhabited it in the past 00:51:07.600 --> 00:51:10.600 and what it had been leading up to now. 00:51:10.600 --> 00:51:14.600 So yes, I think that was the end of what you said. 00:51:14.600 --> 00:51:15.600 It was, yeah. 00:51:15.600 --> 00:51:17.600 That's both Andy's, right? 00:51:17.600 --> 00:51:19.600 And then... 00:51:19.600 --> 00:51:23.600 Okay, lastly, well, is that everything on that? 00:51:23.600 --> 00:51:24.600 Yeah, yeah. 00:51:24.600 --> 00:51:36.600 Okay, is to HLC 22063, hold the discussion regarding our HLC project matrix. 00:51:36.600 --> 00:51:37.600 Go ahead. 00:51:37.600 --> 00:51:41.600 So this is just, once again, if you all want to add anything to the matrix 00:51:41.600 --> 00:51:50.600 or if you're looking for staff to kind of move forward on one of these that remain on our matrix 00:51:50.600 --> 00:52:00.600 and present that within the next month or two, but this is really for you all to use and kind of just moving forward. 00:52:00.600 --> 00:52:06.600 Okay. I feel like we need to add something on windows. 00:52:06.600 --> 00:52:13.600 And let me tell you why. Okay, not for, I know we can't discuss it now, but I'm going to tell you why. 00:52:13.600 --> 00:52:16.600 A few months ago, we had someone come in that replaced all their windows. 00:52:16.600 --> 00:52:20.600 They were all vinyl. We didn't know condition of the windows whatsoever. 00:52:20.600 --> 00:52:22.600 Didn't know, because they did not get a COA. 00:52:22.600 --> 00:52:24.600 Yeah, but I think it was after the fact, yeah. 00:52:24.600 --> 00:52:27.600 But we passed it. 00:52:27.600 --> 00:52:33.600 And then we come in and we say, now, we had the discussion today. 00:52:33.600 --> 00:52:35.600 We're like, we don't really have a standard. 00:52:35.600 --> 00:52:36.600 We don't. 00:52:36.600 --> 00:52:38.600 At all. 00:52:38.600 --> 00:52:43.600 And I think it just leaves it wide open for people. 00:52:43.600 --> 00:52:48.600 And that even between us as a commission on our different opinions on it. 00:52:48.600 --> 00:52:55.600 So I just feel like having some kind of standards would be helpful. 00:52:55.600 --> 00:53:03.600 Like Kacen said, we're, we all are kind of given our own opinions here, but we don't really have a standard as a. 00:53:03.600 --> 00:53:06.600 Yeah, that can be confusing for them. Yes, absolutely. 00:53:06.600 --> 00:53:12.600 Yeah, well, I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing because there's different ways to go about it. 00:53:12.600 --> 00:53:17.600 And there's probably several different options they have that would make it through this committee. 00:53:17.600 --> 00:53:24.600 And so, you know, finding the one that works best for the homeowner is it would be my purpose. 00:53:24.600 --> 00:53:33.600 If they like they like one way or another, you know, as long as it meets our our things, I don't see the problem with it. 00:53:33.600 --> 00:53:38.600 And I get what you're saying, except also it's we're here to preserve. 00:53:38.600 --> 00:53:47.600 Right. So you have to balance both of those. And to me, that's where it gets very confusing on what's best for them. 00:53:47.600 --> 00:53:55.600 May not be the preservation that fits. Anyway, I'm just feeling I just felt like it would be easier. 00:53:55.600 --> 00:54:00.600 Well, some standards might flow from some of these broader principles that we discussed in previous meetings. 00:54:00.600 --> 00:54:15.600 You might be able to. Yeah, yes. How do we determine if we say what's best for the client if what's best going to be vinyl, and it still maintains the architectural integrity. 00:54:15.600 --> 00:54:26.600 And that's the only option that is feasible economic for them. Do we vote against that and didn't have a boarded up house forever? Right. I think we need standards. Yeah. 00:54:26.600 --> 00:54:37.600 So I think just sort of move us back to the discussion. We can definitely like this is a great discussion to have thinking about the flexibility of standards and it's worth having a standard. 00:54:37.600 --> 00:54:49.600 So we do need consensus, at least to other people interested in seeing it. So you're asking for consensus about adding to the major. Yes, we need at least we need at least three people. 00:54:49.600 --> 00:54:59.600 Okay. All those in favor, raise your hand. Reminds you of the sign that says there's a sign ahead. 00:54:59.600 --> 00:55:03.600 Okay, so we're in the weeds. 00:55:03.600 --> 00:55:19.600 Well, I just had a very close friend. In fact, she's sort of like a adoptive daughter has a sort of home and eat at Oklahoma. She got two quotes vinyl and wood. The wood for 39 windows was $118,000. 00:55:19.600 --> 00:55:33.600 And the wood and the vinyl was $56,000. So it's twice as much. And she's like, it's just a matter of, I'll have to just fix what I can. Because she's just designated historic home. 00:55:33.600 --> 00:55:49.600 I'm like, you know, it's all it's just it's frustrating. Because here's somebody I've known since she was a little kid, they can't afford to repair her replace her windows and they need it. 00:55:49.600 --> 00:56:05.600 So do you not just approve vinyl and it gets boarded up because financially they can't see so that's a great discussion. Yeah, yeah. That's right. She's bringing this back. 00:56:05.600 --> 00:56:20.600 So we agree to add that to the matrix, which means we can enter into a discussion next time. Yes, correct. Okay, motion to adjourn. So I'll do anyone else have any. 00:56:20.600 --> 00:56:43.600 Any other commissioners, we're trying to make sure all commissioners feel empowered to speak at meetings. I'm making the continued instance of errors in my job. 00:56:43.600 --> 00:56:54.600 No, you got it. Okay, so now we've had a motion and a second. All those in favor say aye.