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 >> Okay, it is nine o'clock and we do have a quorum.

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 So we're called to order the May 23rd, 2022, public utilities board for the city of Denton.

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 >> I just have a question, a little clarification on A.

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 >> Mr. Rybeck moved and Mr. Jumper second, all in favor say aye.

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 >> Okay, I'm sorry, I didn't know I was going to create all this confusion, but just,

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 if I'm reading this right, it sounds like we're eliminating this risk management policy

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 that was originally written to give DME pretty much the authority to deal with things

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 >> I'm Smith Day, by the way.

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 >> I'm the executive manager of regulatory and risk division.

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 but there is nothing new about, the authorities are the same.

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 which forces us to look at it every year.

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 and to council so that we can do iterative changes every year

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 So this is the same theme, the same approach that goes back almost eight years, nine years now.

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 of where we stand with our entire portfolio for purchase power and so that happens every quarter

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 >> Madam Chair, if I may, so you attend these quarterly meetings?

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 >> How do we go about doing that, Tony?

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 Along the same lines, looking at this, this is risk management policy and that oversight is important.

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 >> Okay, item B, consider issuance of a delivery of up to 121 million in certificates.

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 Randy Klingle, Treasury Manager.

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 in all matters incident related to the issuance and sale and delivery up to 89 million in debt.

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 of obligation for you to review.

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 So it's 121 million dollars in total for the CO obligation for this summer sale.

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 to you guys today for recommendations, and that will go forth to council on June 7th.

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 So we meet all those parameters.

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 Most of the presentation is a duplicate of the project lists that are in your AIS.

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 but you're more than happy at the end.

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 of intent budget to bond sale by 19 million dollars.

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 to consider this bond ordinance for the CO and the GEO debt.

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 I'm not very familiar with this process.

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 >> Mr. Jumper moved.

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 In a second.

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 Mr. Beck, all in favor say aye.

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 >> Aye.

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 >> And then on the refunding item C, do we have a motion to approve?

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 Mr. Taylor?

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 >> So--

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 >> May I second?

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 Mr. Jumper?

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 All in favor say aye.

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 >> Aye.

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 >> Motion carries.

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 Item D, recommend considering adoption of an ordinance

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 to execute professional service agreement with Kimley, Horn and Associates.

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 [ Pause ]

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 >> Good morning.

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 My name is David Brown.

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 I'm a construction project manager for Denton Water Utilities.

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 Today, I'm going to bring you an exciting project, a headworks project over at our plant,

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 our water reclamation plant.

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 So, let's talk about what's at the plant right now.

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 We've talked about it before.

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 21 MGD on the daily annual flow and 46 on the peak MGD.

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 We are going to request a rerate for 30 MGD and up to 69 on the peak flow.

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 So, the existing wastewater plant is over 60 years old.

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 The headworks, the headworks facility is actually where all the influence comes

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 in from the city into the plant.

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 It is the start of the process at the plant.

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 Currently, it's over 40 years old and it's out of date.

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 It's later technology that's going through the process.

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 So, this is where it first comes in and where it's screened

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 and where it starts processing into the plant.

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 It's undersized and it's out of life.

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 Of course, let's talk about the 75/90 real TCEQ.

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 At 75% of max flows that we have, our permitted flows on the annual daily,

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 that's when we need to start an upgrade or an expansion.

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 And at 90%, we need to be in construction of those.

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 So, the design at 75% and construction at 90%.

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 So, with that, we have the headworks.

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 Headworks, this new design will include lots of new technology,

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 mechanical screening, wet well station and grit removal.

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 And what this does, this allows to be able to start the process with a good system

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 of removing these items that are in wastewater.

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 We remove them and that takes the pressure off other equipment inside the plant.

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 This will improve the process of cleaning the water,

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 return to the environment, ultimately the community.

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 Also included, we do have some issues over there in the piping

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 that comes into the headworks, existing headworks.

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 So, with this design, we'll also have a 60-inch gravity main coming in

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 from location coming in from Pecan Creek and Cooper Creek

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 and also from our state school interceptor, the Hickory Creek line.

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 So, 60-inch gravity main also is a 48-inch force main,

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 which this force main will allow us from the pump station,

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 from our lift station in the headwork facility,

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 allow us to facilitate moving that screened water into other areas of the plant.

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 We can go to a diurnal basin, we can go to other items to be ready to process that water.

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 We use the RFQ 7574, a pre-qualification list with engineering firms.

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 We had interviews with all of these firms and we would like to recommend that we enter

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 in a contract for design of the Pecan Creek headworks station

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 over at Pecan Creek Reclamation Plant with Kim Lee Horne and Associates for $3,828,700.

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 Any questions?

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 >> What's your current estimate for the construction of this facility?

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 >> On the OPCC is $32 million.

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 >> Our engineering is about 11%, stopped at my end, right?

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 >> Yeah.

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 >> All right, thank you.

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 >> Other questions?

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 >> I have a question just in general terms.

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 I'm selecting Kim Lee Horne, Kim Lee Horne.

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 Your contract amount, was that in line with the others

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 or did they put this together after you selected them?

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 >> This is put together after selecting them.

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 One of the things we brought them in, they brought us a vision.

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 They brought us a vision of this location.

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 It really allows us to be able to move forward.

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 It's a good location and they brought that vision to us.

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 >> Very good.

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 >> Lori Hewlett, Purchasing Manager.

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 I just wanted to add that on request for qualifications, you cannot ask for price

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 until after you have went to the top rank person.

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 >> Right, so it was an RFQ.

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 >> Yeah, it was an RFQ.

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 >> Okay, thank you.

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 >> Other questions?

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 >> Yes.

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 >> Oh, go ahead.

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 >> So at the beginning you were saying how old everything was.

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 >> Yes, sir.

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 >> What's typical, like what's an expected life for some of this?

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 >> Forty years is probably expected life.

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 I mean, 40 years, we have, you know, we have done some upgrades

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 to it throughout the time, but yeah, 40 years is about the max on it.

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 Of course, the plant is 60 years old.

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 >> Right.

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 >> So we're going to do some improvements to be able to move forward at that location.

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 >> And then you talked about 75% and 90% design and construction.

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 What capacity are we at currently?

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 >> Right now we're at about 71% of our average daily flows.

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 >> Other questions?

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 All right, do we have a motion to approve item D?

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 >> Second.

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 >> Barber moved.

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 Lee seconds.

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 All in favor say aye.

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 >> Aye.

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 >> Thank you.

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 >> Management reports.

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 >> So Madam Chair and members of the POV.

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 So for the management report we do have a follow up memo that we sent to you

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 for Brian Borner on the composting program.

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 Certainly Brian's here and I just want to first kind of open up to see

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 if anyone has any questions regarding that memo.

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 >> I do have one quick one.

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 It mentions food peelings in there.

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 So is that limited, what if, Brian's coming up.

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 >> Okay. Anything food related or just the peelings?

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 In other words, say I cooked some squash and didn't want it all.

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 So could I dump that in there with it?

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 >> And that's a very good question.

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 Again, Brian Borner, I am the Director of Solid Waste and Recycling for the City

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 of Dent and appreciate the opportunity to respond to your question.

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 Currently with our partners at wastewater and through beneficial reuse,

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 we're composting biosolids and the organic material that we collect curbside

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 which includes yard trimmings and things of that nature.

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 As a result, and the way they're permitted and their operation is set up,

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 we cannot have any post-consumer materials put in.

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 So anything on the front end of cooking, so peels, watermelon rinds, cantaloupe,

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 you know, seeds, things like that, that can all go in there.

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 But the minute we start cooking and adding spices, oils, fats, greases,

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 that's where it sort of turns the system to where it can't be used.

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 So, you know, we can collect a good portion of this

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 in our existing yard waste and organics collection program.

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 So again, you know, before it's cooked, during the preparation process, raw,

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 you know, peels, you know, you buy that bag of salad and it sits in your refrigerator

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 and, you know, this green slimy thing you want to get rid of, we'll take that.

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 But again, the minute you put salad dressing on top of it or try to cook it,

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 then, you know, that cannot go into the yard waste cart or the bag.

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 >> Great, great, thank you.

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 >> Thank you.

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 >> Go ahead.

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 >> So, the memo mentioned the downtown area pilot program for restaurants.

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 Is that the same rules or does that go to--

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 >> No, that will be a different-- two things.

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 First of all, that pilot has yet to be set up.

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 We've run into some supply chain issues and the critical piece of equipment

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 that we need to procure currently is unavailable and the one person who said

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 that they could has come in with an exorbitant price so we're going to be going back out to try

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 to find that piece of equipment.

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 But secondarily, what we're wanting to do is actually take any food waste,

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 whether it's pre-consumer, post-consumer, fats, oils and greases, things of that nature,

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 be able to grind it up and actually put it into the aerobic digesters at the wastewater plant.

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 They get this material anyway, they want this material, generate the methane off the top,

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 you know, recycle that material and then through the biosolid program,

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 I'd be able to compost the rest.

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 So again, it's using existing equipment with the capacity that we have.

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 And once we can prove that up and that it doesn't affect either wastewater systems

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 or our system to be able to collect it, then we can expand that to a much larger program.

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 >> And that would probably be some kind of special cart or container picked

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 up either daily or on a special day of the week?

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 >> I'm not even going to start to speculate on what that's going to look like.

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 But what I can tell you is, you know, in here, we go back

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 into our comprehensive solid waste management strategy.

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 We did our waste characterization.

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 Probably 80% of the big hit that we can take off of this is going

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 to be in the commercial sector, okay?

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 So again, that's where we're going to focus, that's where we're going to start.

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 And then from a residential standpoint, going back into the common sense things, you know,

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 don't buy what you don't need, don't buy too much of it.

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 Like your mom said, clean your plate so you don't have anything extra.

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 Spoil and go after.

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 But then finally, you know, if you've got this organic material, you know, at home composting.

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 So again, you know, reevaluating and revitalizing those programs so that, you know,

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 you have material, you know, at your disposal in your yard

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 that you can use for that beneficial reuse.

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 >> And once supply chain issues are resolved and you can purchase the equipment,

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 what's the timeline to start with the commercial?

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 Would it be like within six months of getting it set up, you'd have one route or something,

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 or do you have some kind of plans along the lines?

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 >> Well again, you know, we've got a six-month program to evaluate it in the valley area downtown.

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 And then from that, we'll be taking the -- we'll be taking that data and then evaluating

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 and answering those questions.

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 I think, you know, as we get ready to roll out our comprehensive solid waste management strategy,

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 year one is going to be mostly administrative, getting our codes, ordinances and everything.

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 And RFQs, RFIs in line to identify, you know, third-party contractors

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 and everything else we need to do it.

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 Year two, which is, you know, we're already thinking two and three years ahead of time,

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 that's when we start looking at the physical stuff.

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 So we may still be a couple of years out before we do some industrial level commercial organics

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 waste management, but again, it's getting everything in line and not jumping too soon

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 so that we're not putting ourselves in a situation that is high cost, low return.

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 >> All right, thank you.

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 >> Thank you.

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 >> All right, thank you.

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 >> Thank you.

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 >> So the next item is your future agenda items.

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 And as we mentioned before, we have a number of budget items that are coming up here for you

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 in the next couple of meetings and ultimately leads to a recommendation from this board

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 to the council regarding the budget and the rates and all that.

438
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,360
 Obviously today, there's a presentation today

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 that the finance department will be making that's related to the budget.

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 And then the future action items, obviously we think we've now completed item one,

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 which I know was part of the question that you had at the last meeting, that's been completed.

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 The next item is regarding solar installations.

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 That is an item that we're working on.

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 The plan is to take that discussion along with a broader discussion about the solar program

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 and what we're doing with a number of other programs that we have at DME

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 to the sustainability committee first and then we'll bring that back to the PUB.

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 So again, I know it's an old request.

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 I can assure you we are working on it along with all the myriad of other things

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 that we're working on, so we've not forgotten about it.

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 It's still on here for that purpose.

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 And then there was a question the last time about potentially going to once a month meeting.

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 I can tell you that we've had an internal discussion about that

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 and that discussion will be coming back to you at a near meeting that we're planning through.

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 And I think the purchasing and compliance department will be bringing a discussion to you

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 with a number of different options for you to have a conversation

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 about and provide us some direction.

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 So anyway, so with that, that is our management update.

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 Happy to answer any questions you have.

459
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 >> Go ahead, Billy.

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 >> Is this where we should discuss the next meeting?

461
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 >> No, that's under concluding items.

462
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 >> Okay, all right.

463
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 Any questions?

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00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,160
 All right.

465
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,600
 Onto concluding items, I do have one item.

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 Both Billy and I will be gone on June 13th, so we need to make sure that we do have a quorum.

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 Is anyone else going to be missing on June 13th?

468
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 Barbara will be chair as the secretary, so all right, I guess we do have a quorum.

469
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 Any other concluding items from any board members?

470
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 Okay, I see none.

471
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:36,880
 Let's move into the work session.

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 Receive a report, hold a discussion, and give staff direction regarding fiscal year 2022-23 utility budget forecasts.

473
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 >> Good morning, PUB.

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 I'm Danielle Stanford.

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 I'm the interim budget manager, and this morning we're going to be talking about the utility forecast for our budgets.

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 So we'll talk about the budget process overview.

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 We'll share a forecast for each utility, and then we'll go over the next steps.

478
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,720
 This is the team that makes up the utility budget team.

479
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:27,440
 We have Jennifer Gonzalez, this is assigned to our solid waste and recycling department.

480
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:33,480
 Our senior financial analyst, Dan Galizia, is assigned to water, wastewater, and drainage.

481
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,360
 And then Lauren Price is assigned to DME.

482
00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:45,280
 We do have one vacancy that we're working to fill, and that analyst is a support role for all of the utilities.

483
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:53,160
 Our 2022-23 budget cycle in March, we kicked off the budget from March to May.

484
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:57,960
 The budget continued to develop, and we're planning that still.

485
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:04,200
 June and July, we'll be sharing the budgets with you all and city council.

486
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,200
 Our budget workshop with city council is in August.

487
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:15,200
 Our public hearings are in September, and the budget adoption is also in September.

488
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,240
 This is a high-level overview of our budget calendar.

489
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,280
 As you can see, there are two different tracks.

490
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:26,240
 The first track is the CIP budget, and on the right is the operating budget calendar.

491
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,800
 We've come to a point now where those are lining back up.

492
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:35,280
 So from May to July, we'll be presenting those to you all and to council.

493
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:46,400
 And then, again, in August 6th is the budget workshop followed by the public hearings and adoption in September.

494
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:51,480
 So our financial assumptions, all of the utilities share a couple of common assumptions.

495
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,400
 One being that there's consistent growth across all the utilities.

496
00:29:55,400 --> 00:30:01,400
 The second is that the Hunter Coal development is accounted for beginning in 2024.

497
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:10,120
 The solid waste forecast is based on customer accounts, the tonnage that's coming into the landfill and the service frequency.

498
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:16,000
 And staff plans to discuss the wholesale contracts with you all in the coming weeks.

499
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,440
 For water, wastewater, that's a volume-based forecast.

500
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,840
 We continue to utilize the impact fee funding to revenue fund projects.

501
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:30,720
 And the Lake Ray Roberts plant expansion is accounted for beginning in 2028.

502
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:39,440
 Finally, electric is a forecast based on retail sales and megawatt hours or MWH.

503
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,640
 This is the solid waste forecast.

504
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,480
 There are four different lines.

505
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,680
 The blue line is the residential customer count.

506
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:52,440
 The yellow line and the gray line are the pickup counts.

507
00:30:52,440 --> 00:31:00,040
 And then the purple line is the landfill transaction count.

508
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,160
 This is the water wastewater growth projection.

509
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,840
 The yellow line is our drainage projection.

510
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,120
 It stays flat, as you can see.

511
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,640
 The blue line is the water wastewater.

512
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,920
 We're averaging a 2% growth up to 23.

513
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:20,520
 And then we increase to 3.4 for the Hunter Coal Ranch.

514
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:29,040
 After that, it jumps up to 3.85, and then it normalizes at that standard growth rate.

515
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,680
 This slide shows our water production based on what we've budgeted.

516
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,000
 So the blue line is the budget.

517
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,600
 The red line is where we currently are.

518
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:43,280
 So we're staying right there with our budget.

519
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,280
 This is the water demand slide.

520
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,920
 So the orange line shows the total growth.

521
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:54,120
 That black line shows the expansion plans in the future.

522
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:59,560
 So we're staying right above that growth as we plan to continue to expand.

523
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,840
 This is our electric forecast.

524
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,280
 These are in the megawatt hours.

525
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,840
 This includes residential service and general service.

526
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:17,080
 The 2023 numbers are highlighted there in the middle of the table.

527
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:23,480
 And this is the same information in graph format.

528
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,520
 And with that, I'll take any questions.

529
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,960
 >> Thank you, Chair.

530
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,680
 Go back to one -- yeah.

531
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,160
 Right there.

532
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:41,660
 On these electrical forecasts, are you factoring in any solar panel usage with that?

533
00:32:41,660 --> 00:32:43,200
 With the residential land commercial?

534
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,760
 >> Tony, can you help with that?

535
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,800
 >> Yeah, so residential right now makes up about 7 megawatts.

536
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,240
 So it's not a huge factor, to be honest with you.

537
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:58,000
 I think once we start getting into the, you know, 30 or 40, you know, kind of megawatts

538
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,000
 then potentially.

539
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,520
 But at this point, I would say it's very, very minimal.

540
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,440
 It's probably within kind of a margin of error.

541
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,200
 So I would say probably doesn't -- isn't included here.

542
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:09,200
 >> Okay.

543
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,680
 But you're not anticipating growth in that, especially with commercial?

544
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:12,680
 >> No, absolutely.

545
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,640
 We fully anticipate growth, and we see that every single year.

546
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:16,640
 >> With solar?

547
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:17,640
 >> Yes, sir.

548
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,560
 And we continue to incentivize it both through our rates and also through the rebate that

549
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:21,560
 we have.

550
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,320
 So that will continue to grow.

551
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:24,320
 >> Okay.

552
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:25,320
 Thanks, Tony.

553
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:26,320
 >> Yes, sir.

554
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,720
 >> I also have a question related to this particular chart.

555
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:35,440
 I noticed that the general service forecast appeared to be falling rather than increasing.

556
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,720
 And I was curious about that if there was a particular reason for it.

557
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:39,720
 >> Yeah.

558
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:49,680
 Let me see if Jose -- Jose Gaitan and our EMO can come up here and maybe speak to that

559
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:54,200
 question.

560
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,880
 >> So my name is Jose Gaitan, a manager of analytics.

561
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,360
 Can you repeat the question, please?

562
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,800
 Can you repeat the question?

563
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:03,800
 >> I was just curious.

564
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:12,280
 It seemed this general service number, it's at 744 in 2019, it falls to 718, 721.

565
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,360
 It doesn't -- I was just curious about where those numbers came from and why it appeared

566
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:17,360
 to be falling.

567
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:18,360
 >> Sure.

568
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,360
 There are anomalies in the weather pattern.

569
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:26,760
 Some years you have hotter summers, which leads to higher consumption of power.

570
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:31,880
 And then we have anomalies like 75 degrees in May.

571
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:37,200
 So I'll take it where I can, but typically it's all weather related.

572
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:42,240
 And so we try to forecast going forward based on a normal weather pattern, but obviously

573
00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:44,960
 there's deviations from that normal.

574
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:51,760
 So the addition of hunter coal ranch developments is going to add an awful lot of load, and

575
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,680
 I don't see a huge jump in the number there anywhere, so --

576
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:55,680
 >> Correct.

577
00:34:55,680 --> 00:35:01,480
 Yeah, and it's hard to predict how much growth we'll see based on demand for residential

578
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:02,480
 homes, right?

579
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:09,920
 So it's there, obviously, but how quickly will it come on and, you know, how much response

580
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:14,600
 for demand in the housing will there be, which will lead to overall demand?

581
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:19,840
 So that's kind of difficult to estimate, but we are in the works of trying to get our hands

582
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,240
 around what to expect in the near term.

583
00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:27,400
 >> Yeah, Mr. Robbeck, what I'd say -- remember, you know, hunter coal ranch, the full build-out

584
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,780
 is over 30 years as well, right?

585
00:35:29,780 --> 00:35:34,600
 And we don't serve all of the development options, so the majority of it, but again,

586
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,240
 that's a 30-year build-out.

587
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:41,560
 So on an annual basis, you know, the changes are going to be very minimal.

588
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,840
 >> I did not realize the build-out was that long.

589
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:44,840
 >> Yes, sir.

590
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:45,840
 >> Okay.

591
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:46,840
 Well, good to know.

592
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:47,840
 Thank you.

593
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:48,840
 >> Yes, sir.

594
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:49,840
 >> Any other questions?

595
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:50,840
 All right.

596
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:51,840
 Thank you.

597
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:52,840
 >> Good job.

598
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:53,840
 >> All right.

599
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:58,680
 It is 938.

600
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:11,840
 Do we have a motion to adjourn?

601
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,760
 >> Mr. Beck, we are adjourned.