WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:08.460 good afternoon and welcome to the city of Denton's planning and zoning 00:00:08.460 --> 00:00:14.760 Commission meeting for Wednesday April 27th 2022 this is our work session and 00:00:14.760 --> 00:00:19.320 with a quorum present I will call us to order at 430 p.m. let their record show 00:00:19.320 --> 00:00:25.160 at this time Commissioner Anderson is absent going through our agenda first 00:00:25.160 --> 00:00:29.600 item is citizen comments on a consent agenda however we have no consent 00:00:29.600 --> 00:00:34.880 agenda so we're gonna move on to our next work session item which is our work 00:00:34.880 --> 00:00:42.760 session reports first one is 2a pz 22079 we'll bring up Charlie to present hi 00:00:42.760 --> 00:00:50.000 Charlie hey glad to be back and able to present to the planning and zoning 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:53.200 Commission good evening my name is Charlie Rosendahl I'm the business 00:00:53.200 --> 00:00:59.180 services manager for the development services department here I'm here to 00:00:59.180 --> 00:01:04.800 talk to you today about a work session item that came before as a council 00:01:04.800 --> 00:01:10.760 request about a weekly automated notification an opt-in notification for 00:01:10.760 --> 00:01:15.360 development projects this started out as an item as you all know on the P&Z 00:01:15.360 --> 00:01:20.240 matrix and then it came forward as a two-minute pitch with City Council in 00:01:20.240 --> 00:01:27.680 January I just want to give a brief background on how we currently notify in 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:33.280 the city of Denton we send mailed notices to owners within 200 foot of the 00:01:33.280 --> 00:01:38.440 development and then also publish a notice in the local paper and that's per 00:01:38.440 --> 00:01:43.960 state law on top of that the city of Denton sends 500 foot postcards to 00:01:43.960 --> 00:01:48.720 residents and then signs are posted on the property and we post public 00:01:48.720 --> 00:01:55.100 hearings on the city's website as a reminder applicants pay the cost of the 00:01:55.100 --> 00:02:02.420 mailings and newspaper notifications following that additionally we have some 00:02:02.420 --> 00:02:07.600 online sources of information about development projects so we have an active 00:02:07.600 --> 00:02:11.640 projects map that shows all of the current active projects in the city and 00:02:11.640 --> 00:02:17.560 then we also have a separate weekly project map that shows just the the last 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:24.520 week submittals lastly we have a project information webpage which is a walk 00:02:24.520 --> 00:02:29.620 through site on how somebody can look at a development in the city it'll it'll 00:02:29.620 --> 00:02:33.280 tell them how to go to the active projects map what to click on how to go 00:02:33.280 --> 00:02:42.280 on our public meeting site and and look at the background information there so 00:02:42.280 --> 00:02:48.480 again the ask was for a opt-in notification system that citizens could 00:02:48.480 --> 00:02:54.000 opt-in and be alerted of notification area of new developments so what staff 00:02:54.000 --> 00:03:00.240 is proposing here is a solution based in our active projects map since that's the 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:04.880 one that currently holds all of our project data what we're proposing is an 00:03:04.880 --> 00:03:11.680 online signup form and then our GIS staff would create a buffer distance 00:03:11.680 --> 00:03:16.800 based on what people select in that signup form and then at the time that 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:21.560 we're creating these projects we would cross reference a new project in that 00:03:21.560 --> 00:03:26.040 buffer distance and have a tailored notification that goes out to somebody 00:03:26.040 --> 00:03:30.440 I'm telling them exactly what the project name is where it's at and then 00:03:30.440 --> 00:03:34.280 in the email template that we send them out we would also provide where they can 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:40.800 find more information on that and then if you were just looking at the 00:03:40.800 --> 00:03:46.360 screenshot here it's just asking for a name email address and address and then 00:03:46.360 --> 00:03:51.280 the distance that they want to be notified so we could custom that to if 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:57.200 you want a 500 foot notice if you want quarter mile whatever a specific buffer 00:03:57.200 --> 00:04:01.280 distance that somebody would want is yeah I guess I have a question with that 00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:08.000 particular the way it's worded in feet is there any way to maybe alter that at 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:14.040 all sure I don't know if maybe something within so much distance to their address 00:04:14.040 --> 00:04:17.200 that they put in I don't know it just would be for somebody who wants to be 00:04:17.200 --> 00:04:22.000 informed of kind of projects all over I'm not sure what they would put there 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:27.120 okay I mean thousands of feet you know what I mean it just seems that seems odd 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:32.160 for the just kind of the regular person yeah I know it's seemingly how we do 00:04:32.160 --> 00:04:37.720 notices but it seems like for like the general public that seems like we could 00:04:37.720 --> 00:04:41.920 probably know I appreciate that we could probably do some type of a drop-down 00:04:41.920 --> 00:04:46.480 system that gives maybe a few options and then another and yeah probably would 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:51.040 be ideal if for whatever address that they put in you know and then have it be 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:57.160 you know whatever a quarter mile or yeah and then go into a mile or five miles or 00:04:57.160 --> 00:05:01.240 25 miles or something like that Commissioner Anderson 00:05:01.240 --> 00:05:08.720 like that but is there a way y'all could have like a little map pop up with their 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:12.120 address when they put in their address it pins their address and they could type 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:16.520 in like if they selected a quarter mile or show a diameter circle does that 00:05:16.520 --> 00:05:20.880 make sense because I've seen some applications online before where you can 00:05:20.880 --> 00:05:27.400 go in and put an address and from your address you can put in a mileage or 00:05:27.400 --> 00:05:30.160 something like this of distance and it'll show you that parameter around your 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:33.480 thing I don't know if that would be so yeah we have that feature on our 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:37.800 interactive map but we wouldn't be able to build like a buffer distance feature 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:43.720 into a form like this I think we would have the ability availability of somebody 00:05:43.720 --> 00:05:49.040 to like pin a location within the form but not display a buffer distance from 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:51.280 there 00:05:51.280 --> 00:06:03.640 so I just wanted to recognize a few of the benefits and a couple drawbacks of 00:06:03.640 --> 00:06:08.560 the system that we're proposing when council discussed it they were looking 00:06:08.560 --> 00:06:14.560 at more of a fully automated system that somebody would go on but what we feel 00:06:14.560 --> 00:06:18.520 like a benefit in doing this is we utilize existing software we're not 00:06:18.520 --> 00:06:22.440 going to have to purchase a separate solution there's no additional cost to 00:06:22.440 --> 00:06:26.840 the city for doing this one of the benefits of this also is that 00:06:26.840 --> 00:06:32.680 customizable buffer distance a lot of cities that we've seen that do this and 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:38.760 and we didn't find very many but most of them do zones a zone based system where 00:06:38.760 --> 00:06:43.520 you want just notifications about you know northeast side of town or or 00:06:43.520 --> 00:06:48.240 southwest side of town then you would pick that zone zone one or zone two this 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:54.520 allows us to have a very customizable solution to that person and then also 00:06:54.520 --> 00:06:57.880 it's immediately deployable which is another benefit we're not gonna have to 00:06:57.880 --> 00:07:03.200 go through implementation we can we can start this soon like I mentioned it is 00:07:03.200 --> 00:07:08.280 not fully automated the piece that would not be automated is the email 00:07:08.280 --> 00:07:13.080 notification system so we would have to pull down a list of the people to 00:07:13.080 --> 00:07:19.000 notify that week and then send it through an email solution and then we 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:24.280 wouldn't send multiple requests or multiple updates about a development as 00:07:24.280 --> 00:07:28.920 it's ongoing our thought is we would send a notice letting them know that the 00:07:28.920 --> 00:07:33.600 developments occurring and then provide the solution to where they can go in and 00:07:33.600 --> 00:07:39.040 keep following up on that as reviews happen and public hearing hearing dates 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:45.360 are coming up commissioner Smith so explain that again Charlie just more in 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:50.500 depth so I take for an example there's a zoning request it's on tonight that gets 00:07:50.500 --> 00:07:55.440 publicly notified it's on the agenda for some reason or another that we table 00:07:55.440 --> 00:07:58.960 that item for discussion for next time they would just get the notice for the 00:07:58.960 --> 00:08:02.200 first time it's noticed or would how would that work in that system if you 00:08:02.200 --> 00:08:07.720 can walk me through that yeah so the way we're imagining it is there would be a 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:12.920 trigger at a certain point and we say hey just to let you know that there's a 00:08:12.920 --> 00:08:19.640 project project name project number at this location that has submitted an 00:08:19.640 --> 00:08:25.800 application and then through our new land management software system they can go 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:30.120 online and see the information about that project or they can follow along 00:08:30.120 --> 00:08:35.080 on the active projects map and get get details on that so it wouldn't be a 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:40.280 notice with every every change within that project it would just be a notice 00:08:40.280 --> 00:08:44.280 one time hey it's out here just so you're aware of it and is it gonna be 00:08:44.280 --> 00:08:48.560 just zoning changes or is it gonna be every type of notification that comes 00:08:48.560 --> 00:08:52.880 along is it we do the zoning change and then they submit a preliminary plat and 00:08:52.880 --> 00:08:56.480 then when it gets the final plan that's on a consent agenda item as it changes 00:08:56.480 --> 00:08:59.560 agenda as it changes agenda item names is that gonna change through every 00:08:59.560 --> 00:09:04.000 single time too or how's that gonna work so that actually it's coming up on the 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:12.400 next slide unless anybody else has any questions oh so types of projects thank 00:09:12.400 --> 00:09:17.520 you for leading me into that what our staff recommendation would be is that we 00:09:17.520 --> 00:09:22.440 notify for things that are coming before P and Z and City Council and not those 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:26.200 more administrative type projects a simple engineering plan because at that 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:30.760 point we feel like that somebody might be frustrated in the fact that they 00:09:30.760 --> 00:09:35.680 don't have you know a way to voice their concerns to you all or to City Council 00:09:35.680 --> 00:09:39.440 because that's already gone through that phase of the project and now it's more 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:43.780 administrative civil engineering and we're just reviewing to criteria and if 00:09:43.780 --> 00:09:49.520 it meets the criteria then it would be approved so happy to take feedback on 00:09:49.520 --> 00:09:55.120 that item Commissioner Smith thank you chair yes on that piece I think there's 00:09:55.120 --> 00:09:58.800 items I would I wouldn't say all projects in middles I would definitely 00:09:58.800 --> 00:10:04.480 say the items that we have not necessarily control but we have review 00:10:04.480 --> 00:10:09.560 and the right to approve or disapprove which is a lot of items but take for 00:10:09.560 --> 00:10:15.720 example items like final plats that are on a consent agenda item that we are 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:19.280 you know if we disagree with the project as long as it meets the development code 00:10:19.280 --> 00:10:24.440 we have no we have no jurisdiction as a commission to deny it unless we can cite 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:28.120 where in the development code that it's fault and so I think those types of 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:32.800 items not being put out there not from a sense of we don't want to keep the 00:10:32.800 --> 00:10:36.840 public informed but I've seen in the last five years in the commission that 00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:41.960 sometimes we get some some citizen input and some items that get brought up on 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:47.960 concerns that they have that really can't be changed at the standpoint that 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:53.240 we're at at that point I think the items like SUPs and any type of zoning changes 00:10:53.240 --> 00:10:56.720 should definitely be included within there and then any items that are on 00:10:56.720 --> 00:10:59.680 there for an item for individual consideration but I think the problem 00:10:59.680 --> 00:11:03.960 with that is that you can have items that end up on items for individual 00:11:03.960 --> 00:11:07.120 consideration that are in a consent agenda item or in the items for an 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:11.240 individual consideration that same type of you know a preliminary plot for 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:15.780 example like we pull off consent agenda and put that that discussion and true 00:11:15.780 --> 00:11:19.960 vote instead of being taken in one whole chunk so I don't know how you guys would 00:11:19.960 --> 00:11:23.720 see it Charlie from that standpoint of how you delineate between those things 00:11:23.720 --> 00:11:29.000 but it might create undo angst from community members who maybe don't 00:11:29.000 --> 00:11:32.000 understand what's happening there they don't realize that they're developing by 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:34.640 right and they're submitting something that meets the development code and 00:11:34.640 --> 00:11:38.160 therefore you get citizen outreach and we have folks coming up here and just to 00:11:38.160 --> 00:11:41.440 find out that sadly there's nothing they can do even if they don't like the 00:11:41.440 --> 00:11:46.040 project I think that might cause more issues than then it's probably being 00:11:46.040 --> 00:11:48.960 asked for than this so 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:57.560 yes go ahead and talk to me great Tina sorry no I just wanted to clarify so 00:11:57.560 --> 00:12:02.960 you were saying that you would like for residents to be notified for all items 00:12:02.960 --> 00:12:05.960 that have the potential to be considered by the planning and zoning Commission 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:11.480 that catch that correctly all items that we actually have basically a decision to 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:15.560 say yes or no like a neighborhood input can make a decision of whether or not we 00:12:15.560 --> 00:12:19.040 approve or not it's like a zoning change right that we can go through as a 00:12:19.040 --> 00:12:22.840 commission and vote no on it whereas there's those items like final plots 00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:27.880 that are really more of an administrative process that yes city city 00:12:27.880 --> 00:12:31.040 staff has come and said it's a recommendation for approval because it 00:12:31.040 --> 00:12:36.400 meets the DDC unless we say it doesn't okay we can't we can't we can't vote 00:12:36.400 --> 00:12:41.400 no on it by by Texas Legislature tax law government code so I think it's more of 00:12:41.400 --> 00:12:45.540 the zoning pieces there okay so notification on the zoning and the 00:12:45.540 --> 00:12:50.680 specific use permits but not the plats that's what I'm sure that that's yeah 00:12:50.680 --> 00:12:53.160 and that's what I was trying to say to Charlie's that there's times when it's 00:12:53.160 --> 00:12:56.680 on a consent agenda item that we can pull its items to an individual 00:12:56.680 --> 00:12:59.920 consideration where we actually have discussion on it rather than taking in 00:12:59.920 --> 00:13:05.400 one large group but saying all items for individual consideration should be pulled 00:13:05.400 --> 00:13:09.640 aside and they should be notified on is difficult to do because there are items 00:13:09.640 --> 00:13:14.320 that upon individual consideration that are administrative in vote right so I'm 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:17.100 not sure how to make that clarification different it might be a baby with the 00:13:17.100 --> 00:13:21.040 bathwater issue so in my recommendation if there's no way to delineate between 00:13:21.040 --> 00:13:25.240 those then it would be it would be zoning and the SUPs okay thank you let's 00:13:25.240 --> 00:13:29.440 let's try to clarify this where you have that recommendation Charlie where it 00:13:29.440 --> 00:13:33.760 says notify for only projects coming before PNC and council what is your 00:13:33.760 --> 00:13:42.160 definition of project so so for us a project would be those different ones so 00:13:42.160 --> 00:13:48.460 if you have a SUP then it's separate from a zoning case so not not as a 00:13:48.460 --> 00:13:52.480 project as maybe the general public would think about a project right they 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:56.480 just see the site and it's being developed all as one item when we talk 00:13:56.480 --> 00:13:59.600 about projects here I'm talking about those individual ones that may come in 00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:03.500 a line to you all right I'm assuming when you're saying project you're 00:14:03.500 --> 00:14:13.720 probably not discussing plats correct thank you what we have noted here is 00:14:13.720 --> 00:14:18.120 that those items that require a public hearing would be the items that we would 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:23.160 have the notification on so that's typically zoning requests the specific 00:14:23.160 --> 00:14:28.320 use permits there are some one-offs like projects in the razor ranch overlay 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:31.880 district that I think technically require a public hearing we had one on 00:14:31.880 --> 00:14:36.320 your agenda here not too long ago but our primary focus on this and Charlie 00:14:36.320 --> 00:14:39.520 correct me if I'm wrong was on the public hearing items because those are 00:14:39.520 --> 00:14:44.160 the ones that were sending out public notification to the the residents or 00:14:44.160 --> 00:14:48.000 individuals where they would get some sort of notification and usually those 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:51.960 are the projects I think folks are most interested in and that's the area where 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:55.400 they have the opportunity to influence the decision of the planning and zoning 00:14:55.400 --> 00:14:59.160 Commission and Council it's much more difficult as Commissioner Smith pointed 00:14:59.160 --> 00:15:04.320 out when we have plats that are on the agenda or a site plan that's on the 00:15:04.320 --> 00:15:08.280 agenda for whatever reason that our ministerial approval if it meets all the 00:15:08.280 --> 00:15:12.080 technical requirements then you're obligated to approve it so that's where 00:15:12.080 --> 00:15:16.040 we feel like homeowners or residents would have the would probably get more 00:15:16.040 --> 00:15:19.320 frustrated and Commissioner Smith you picked up on that as well is that they'd 00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:22.880 get more frustrated because why I spent all this time came down to City Hall 00:15:22.880 --> 00:15:26.440 and you're telling me though that even though I don't like this project and you 00:15:26.440 --> 00:15:29.760 all should vote no you're telling me you have to vote yes then why'd I come down 00:15:29.760 --> 00:15:34.560 here right so so that's why we initially focused on just those items that are 00:15:34.560 --> 00:15:37.680 triggering the public hearing so that have the public notification requirement 00:15:37.680 --> 00:15:41.880 if anything they're getting a more advanced notice than the typical mailed 00:15:41.880 --> 00:15:45.200 notice that we receive and I think that's one of the questions also that 00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:49.960 Charlie's gonna be seeking feedback on is at what point in time do we notify 00:15:49.960 --> 00:15:55.880 folks on this because the fact of applications changes they're working 00:15:55.880 --> 00:16:01.200 their way through our review and in discussions with the applicant a great 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:04.120 example is that you know there's only case that's on your agenda this evening 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:08.680 Lisa and the applicant have been working on that for several months now and so 00:16:08.680 --> 00:16:11.640 you know do we notify the applicant right when that application walks in our 00:16:11.640 --> 00:16:16.800 door or do we wait till they get further in the process when we do the public 00:16:16.800 --> 00:16:20.000 notification and mail notes so looking for I think some feedback and direction 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:22.680 from you on that as well and I think you're about to get that that part of 00:16:22.680 --> 00:16:26.400 your presentation right yeah yeah Commissioner Smith did that help with 00:16:26.400 --> 00:16:30.480 it did public being that it's public hearing only I think the only piece the 00:16:30.480 --> 00:16:32.800 reason why I brought the items for individual consideration is that we've 00:16:32.800 --> 00:16:36.240 had a precedent in the past on the Commission that even though items for 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:39.760 individual consideration don't warn a public hearing we've had chairs in the 00:16:39.760 --> 00:16:44.320 past who've allowed for public comment on those projects and so it it would be 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:48.200 messy to say they were only gonna notify for public hearings then there's comes 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:52.000 up an item for individual consideration and you let this citizen talk about it at 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:55.440 that time I should have been notified so I'd rather keep it as public hearing 00:16:55.440 --> 00:16:59.600 items and then possibly tighten down the individual for items for individual 00:16:59.600 --> 00:17:03.440 consideration public discussion part but yeah so that works 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:09.480 Commissioner Perot thank you chair just a couple of process questions because I'm 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:15.280 not sure how the the projects go through especially the the ministerial ones that 00:17:15.280 --> 00:17:22.160 you described are there ever applications where a developer will 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:27.400 hold a community input meeting even if their plan is to do a by right 00:17:27.400 --> 00:17:32.560 development just to to see you know and be open with the community or is that 00:17:32.560 --> 00:17:39.680 really out of the blue that never happens I know it's saying never is 00:17:39.680 --> 00:17:44.040 dangerous but just in general have you seen that in the last two or three years 00:17:44.040 --> 00:17:48.840 I was to say I'm gonna defer to the peanut gallery over there because some 00:17:48.840 --> 00:17:52.320 have been here longer than I've been on whether or not we've had applicants do 00:17:52.320 --> 00:18:08.080 those meetings on by right projects good afternoon Haley Sikorsky we in the 00:18:08.080 --> 00:18:11.320 peanut gallery cannot think of any instance where someone has willingly done 00:18:11.320 --> 00:18:14.280 a neighborhood meeting for a by right development but that's not say it 00:18:14.280 --> 00:18:18.040 couldn't occur I don't know if that helps address the question yeah it does 00:18:18.040 --> 00:18:25.240 thank you and then I guess on the other side of things once once we have the 00:18:25.240 --> 00:18:29.840 pre-application conferences and all of the terms that I'm gonna forget the 00:18:29.840 --> 00:18:40.160 specific terms of the meetings if it's by right does staff ever inform the 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:44.900 developers for a particular project about things that we know about the 00:18:44.900 --> 00:18:52.240 neighborhood that would be appreciated even if we have no authority to to force 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:55.520 them since it's a by right development or is it purely just here's what the 00:18:55.520 --> 00:19:04.640 code says here's the guidelines good luck if there are areas that we feel 00:19:04.640 --> 00:19:09.640 might be able to offer suggestions or positive influence of development in 00:19:09.640 --> 00:19:13.800 other way especially if it's improving the development layout you know we try 00:19:13.800 --> 00:19:18.840 to offer those suggestions as part of our review if the plan meets the 00:19:18.840 --> 00:19:22.920 technical requirements you know then the applicant can always tell us no right 00:19:22.920 --> 00:19:26.200 but you know we can always make those suggestions you know if we happen to 00:19:26.200 --> 00:19:30.280 know that this neighborhood over here is going to be concerned regarding what 00:19:30.280 --> 00:19:34.000 type of screening that you install you know it might be in your best interest to 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:38.360 choose from these items on the list even though you have the the full gamut 00:19:38.360 --> 00:19:41.760 available and ultimately is up to their decision as to as what they choose 00:19:41.760 --> 00:19:45.480 because if it meets our code requirement we're obligated to approve it so okay so 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:50.640 and I don't want to say it depends but but you know I think there's when we 00:19:50.640 --> 00:19:54.320 have the opportunity to potentially influence I mean we try to do so but 00:19:54.320 --> 00:19:58.580 also in a reasonable manner yeah thank you that helps and I mean I'm just 00:19:58.580 --> 00:20:02.140 trying to think through all the different types of projects I think it 00:20:02.140 --> 00:20:06.560 makes sense to to focus on the items that still come before Council and P&Z I 00:20:06.560 --> 00:20:12.720 would just put forth the idea that if if you see an increasing number of projects 00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:18.200 that you wish you had more citizen input in even if they are by right maybe it 00:20:18.200 --> 00:20:22.800 makes sense to revisit this you know a year or two down the line and then I 00:20:22.800 --> 00:20:31.560 guess one other thing the the the broad city website right now I believe has a 00:20:31.560 --> 00:20:38.880 subscription functionality to the public hearing news section yeah is that right 00:20:38.880 --> 00:20:43.800 that's fair so I guess I would just wonder whether we could minimize staff 00:20:43.800 --> 00:20:49.160 time by putting a big bold notice on this form and say hey if you want to get 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:54.960 all the public hearings please go sign up here right so that you don't have a 00:20:54.960 --> 00:21:00.040 number of people who fill out their address and say you know 15,000 feet and 00:21:00.040 --> 00:21:05.080 and it's more manual steps does that make sense yeah I see what you're saying 00:21:05.080 --> 00:21:10.240 yeah we can definitely point people to that option I think it goes back to the 00:21:10.240 --> 00:21:16.960 timing aspect of it because the public hearing notices go on the website at the 00:21:16.960 --> 00:21:19.880 same time that we're sending the letters out and posting it in the newspaper 00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:24.760 right which is kind of after the input community input meetings and that sort 00:21:24.760 --> 00:21:28.600 of thing have typically taken place right yeah if they're gonna hold a 00:21:28.600 --> 00:21:33.600 neighborhood meeting then that would have occurred before any type of public 00:21:33.600 --> 00:21:40.780 hearing okay would have and then sorry last thing I promise I wonder if and I'm 00:21:40.780 --> 00:21:46.800 not sure about privacy laws and that sort of thing would it be possible for 00:21:46.800 --> 00:21:55.240 projects again that are a public hearing type of item to provide the development 00:21:55.240 --> 00:21:59.840 community for that project a list of residents that had signed up to be 00:21:59.840 --> 00:22:02.920 interested within a certain distance so that they could be added to the 00:22:02.920 --> 00:22:07.840 developers list for a community input meeting yeah we could probably add that 00:22:07.840 --> 00:22:12.280 step in there right now we're providing that 500 foot the same ones that we're 00:22:12.280 --> 00:22:15.880 sending the postcard and letters out to you those get provided for neighborhood 00:22:15.880 --> 00:22:20.480 meetings so that the developers can send out the notices to those 00:22:20.480 --> 00:22:24.800 neighborhoods we could we could add in our process though the list of people 00:22:24.800 --> 00:22:31.320 within that buffer zone okay that's all Commissioner Smith to answer your 00:22:31.320 --> 00:22:36.800 question on timing I think the timing should be with Commissioner Smith yeah I 00:22:36.800 --> 00:22:41.960 really want Charlie to get through his presentation I don't think he did right 00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:47.000 did you get oh yeah I can walk over and then we'll get back to that I just feel 00:22:47.000 --> 00:23:04.000 like we did quite tidy and so the second bullet is talking about the 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:09.400 project changes which Tina alluded to one of the the considerations that we 00:23:09.400 --> 00:23:14.720 have is if we're noticing as soon as we receive a project application there could 00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:19.880 be that month or a couple months timeframe before you all see it here 00:23:19.880 --> 00:23:25.920 whereas a project may change significantly and then the other the 00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:32.240 other item is that if we're noticing at the beginning of a project then someone 00:23:32.240 --> 00:23:37.360 may have a bunch of questions that we may not have answers to just quite yet 00:23:37.360 --> 00:23:42.840 we may have not dug into the project or completed our reviews so if we're 00:23:42.840 --> 00:23:48.960 noticing you know day one hour one and then somebody gets that notice and then 00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:55.440 they have instant questions that could be a lot on on city staff to need to 00:23:55.440 --> 00:24:00.040 answer those questions so our our recommendation would be to notice before 00:24:00.040 --> 00:24:07.280 any type of community meeting or public hearing so if if they do hold a 00:24:07.280 --> 00:24:16.440 neighborhood meeting in advance then we can notify prior to that and that's it 00:24:16.440 --> 00:24:20.840 all right and then this item I'm seeking feedback on these items we're going to 00:24:20.840 --> 00:24:30.560 City Council on May 3rd Commissioner Smith thank you on timing that would I 00:24:30.560 --> 00:24:35.000 know doing it before basically what you're saying is the staff recommendation 00:24:35.000 --> 00:24:39.840 is doing doing the notifications but while community meetings are occurring 00:24:39.840 --> 00:24:44.680 rather than doing it at public hearing notices is that correct right 00:24:44.680 --> 00:24:48.480 traditionally how far those apart usually about two weeks is what I've 00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:51.680 seen in the past when we've seen projects two three weeks and is that I 00:24:51.680 --> 00:24:54.760 want to make sure what kind of like what Commissioner Prue was saying does that 00:24:54.760 --> 00:24:59.240 create undue stress on staff by having to figure out for every single project 00:24:59.240 --> 00:25:01.600 when are these neighborhood meetings occurring and then therefore how do we 00:25:01.600 --> 00:25:04.680 need to push those out and when do we need to push those out because seems to 00:25:04.680 --> 00:25:09.720 me that the less stress on staff but still giving notification still giving 00:25:09.720 --> 00:25:13.720 public citizens the opportunity because a public agenda item to come and voice 00:25:13.720 --> 00:25:18.040 their concerns and give their input doing it at the time of public notice 00:25:18.040 --> 00:25:21.480 when stakes are in the ground and sign is up and that's and on the agenda and 00:25:21.480 --> 00:25:26.520 it's posted seems like the more efficient for both staff city as well 00:25:26.520 --> 00:25:30.280 citizens will give him that opportunity I get the neighborhood meeting piece but 00:25:30.280 --> 00:25:33.880 it seems to be a more efficient method I don't know if that if there's an issue 00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:39.360 with that in your opinion it would add a bit of complexity if we were going to do 00:25:39.360 --> 00:25:42.760 it before any neighborhood meeting obviously if we're doing it at the time 00:25:42.760 --> 00:25:47.680 of all the other notices there wouldn't be quite the complexity but you might 00:25:47.680 --> 00:25:51.040 miss out also on the opportunity for somebody who wants to provide feedback 00:25:51.040 --> 00:25:55.040 in a neighborhood meeting setting we are getting those neighborhood meetings 00:25:55.040 --> 00:26:01.480 sometimes not as far in advance as we would like but we do send those out to 00:26:01.480 --> 00:26:05.200 you all I think perceive the emails about neighborhood meetings that are 00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:13.360 occurring and we could do something at the same time okay I think I made my 00:26:13.360 --> 00:26:17.600 point now on timing but I think I think I think that it'll end up being sloppy 00:26:17.600 --> 00:26:25.120 personally that if a developer gets it to you 48 hours in advance the developer 00:26:25.120 --> 00:26:29.000 is not going to get the heat for not having notified everybody in time for 00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:31.760 not knowing about the neighborhood meeting the city is going to catch it 00:26:31.760 --> 00:26:38.000 and so it seems to be more efficient easier on you guys safer and still 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:41.200 provides the opportunity by saying at public notice but I'm open to hear 00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:45.960 differences between there one item other question before I give it up the 00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:51.200 integration of this process or those notifications with submission a public 00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:55.220 comment is there going to be that type of integration where here's the 00:26:55.220 --> 00:27:01.100 notification any type of response can be driven through here or do you want to 00:27:01.100 --> 00:27:03.560 limit that just to those who are two hundred and five hundred even though 00:27:03.560 --> 00:27:09.160 technically anybody who lives anywhere can make those those opinions known they 00:27:09.160 --> 00:27:13.040 just don't necessarily get counted into the buffer rules yeah we would still 00:27:13.040 --> 00:27:18.320 follow our same response process that we do now but I think you guys are 00:27:18.320 --> 00:27:23.400 getting in your backups responses that we receive about any project so it would 00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:26.560 be similar to that if we received a response from somebody who had been in 00:27:26.560 --> 00:27:31.560 the opt-in we would provide that in your backup I'm just wondering about how you 00:27:31.560 --> 00:27:36.400 integrate can you integrate that basically this is the simplistic stupid 00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:40.800 way of my mind working in a link in there they said you want to provide 00:27:40.800 --> 00:27:43.800 response click here and it pulls it up does the does the response and send 00:27:43.800 --> 00:27:46.640 Smith's that in through the electronic submission system I don't know if you 00:27:46.640 --> 00:27:50.480 guys have that integrated in there if there's a concern on that we hadn't 00:27:50.480 --> 00:27:55.280 contemplated it it's something we can look into you okay that's all I got you 00:27:55.280 --> 00:28:03.160 thank you Commissioner Smith other comments thoughts Commissioner Prout 00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:10.200 thank you chair and I guess I understand that the goal is to keep effort light 00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:15.680 but I do think that giving people that early opportunity at a neighborhood 00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:21.800 meeting type setting is is crucial to get the input before the blood starts to 00:28:21.800 --> 00:28:28.120 boil if you will I guess my question would be you know the signs that we put 00:28:28.120 --> 00:28:33.400 up to physical signs at the site is the timing of the postings of that sign 00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:39.920 something that we determine or is that something that's state law driven you 00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:44.040 may take that state law does not require the posting of a sign on the property 00:28:44.040 --> 00:28:48.120 okay all the state law requires is that we notify property owners within 200 00:28:48.120 --> 00:28:52.680 feet the day before that I think it's the day before the 10th day preceding 00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:55.800 the meeting is is think how that wording is but basically it's a 10-day mailed 00:28:55.800 --> 00:29:00.800 notice and but signs are not required so and and then we require the stuff we 00:29:00.800 --> 00:29:08.800 require so just just an idea to try to streamline it what if we were to amend 00:29:08.800 --> 00:29:14.000 our sign posting requirements to say you must post the sign X number of days 00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:17.960 before you have a neighborhood meeting and then you just use the the 00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:21.740 notification from the developer that I've posted the sign now as the trigger 00:29:21.740 --> 00:29:26.600 to send out the notices I think possibly the issue with that is a neighborhood 00:29:26.600 --> 00:29:32.280 meeting is not required it's suggested so it's not a requirement that sure and 00:29:32.280 --> 00:29:35.800 then it would fall back to our existing requirements of the timing of the sign 00:29:35.800 --> 00:29:45.720 being posted for 30 days or whatever right being that we Charlie Haley do we 00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:48.880 have specified in the ordinance the minimum number of days that the sign 00:29:48.880 --> 00:30:00.000 has to be posted in the DDC it's not specified in the DDC it's a policy 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:02.720 document that we pass out to applicants that show them what the sign needs to 00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:06.160 look like when it's going when it needs to be posted which I believe is 10 days 00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:10.680 prior to the P&Z public hearing and then we have of course the affidavit that 00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:13.680 they returned to us that we include in your backup that that verifies that they 00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:18.000 have posted that in time okay so our policy is 10 the sign needs to be up 10 00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:21.760 days prior correct so it's basically it syncs up with our mail notice 00:30:21.760 --> 00:30:24.840 requirement yeah so if that timing doesn't work that's fine I was just 00:30:24.840 --> 00:30:28.800 trying to think of some way to streamline it while still giving the 00:30:28.800 --> 00:30:34.200 public the opportunity at those neighborhood meetings okay thanks 00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:44.280 Commissioner Cole thank you chair all I really want to know is I'm worried about 00:30:44.280 --> 00:30:48.320 you guys being overburdened because y'all your plate is full staff's plates 00:30:48.320 --> 00:30:55.800 full so the only concern I have in your opinion would this be a burden is this 00:30:55.800 --> 00:31:01.800 too much for you guys that's what I care about I mean you know y'all are under 00:31:01.800 --> 00:31:10.560 enough is this add to that plate from from the noted notification process I 00:31:10.560 --> 00:31:15.720 don't think it's gonna add that much to staffs plate but from the collection of 00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:20.840 the need to respond to to people that have questions ever it's a result of the 00:31:20.840 --> 00:31:25.760 opt-in it could be a lot on the planning staff you know it depending on how 00:31:25.760 --> 00:31:30.120 many people opt-in for something like this if you're sending out hundreds of 00:31:30.120 --> 00:31:36.520 notices a week in advance of a meeting then if we're having to collect those 00:31:36.520 --> 00:31:42.480 responses and then analyze them respond and return it in your backup that's a 00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:47.960 lot on the planning stuff I would concur and that's been one of our concerns as 00:31:47.960 --> 00:31:52.520 we've developed this system and Charlie correct me if I'm wrong but because I 00:31:52.520 --> 00:31:55.600 remember we've had we've had several discussions on this but I think we were 00:31:55.600 --> 00:32:01.560 even discussing like limiting the number of times someone might be able to opt in 00:32:01.560 --> 00:32:08.000 or a distance from a property because of for example if there's a project 00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:12.760 happening in the southwest part of town but someone resides in the northeast 00:32:12.760 --> 00:32:16.960 part of town you know would they the person in northeast part of town be able 00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:20.760 to sign up for that project that's many miles away from where they live right 00:32:20.760 --> 00:32:25.160 and so to try and help manage that because of being concerned of just us 00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:30.160 getting inundated with with public comment but I can't recall where we 00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:35.440 landed on that yeah I think that the buffer distance would be open the way 00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:40.080 that we're looking at trying to decrease the possible in you know decrease the 00:32:40.080 --> 00:32:44.720 possible increase but to do that would be to provide as much information as as 00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:50.720 we can upfront to individuals so like I had mentioned before and I can pull this 00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:55.880 up after the presentation to how somebody might go online search a project 00:32:55.880 --> 00:33:01.240 and get information on where it's at and what kind of documents are attached to 00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:06.680 it so that they have a little more information upfront and it's you know at 00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:10.640 least then we don't have staff sending like here's here's the plans for this 00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:15.280 one or it'll reduce some of those items 00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:22.000 mr. Anderson thank you I wouldn't not like the idea of if somebody has a 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:24.680 property in the north side of town and not letting somebody on the south side 00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:30.880 of town do that because you might have people who own rental properties that you 00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:33.520 know want to know what's going on on their you know the rental properties they 00:33:33.520 --> 00:33:36.880 have on the north side of town or the south or vice versa or you know on the 00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:45.040 south side of town so I would advise against not allowing somebody to opt in 00:33:45.040 --> 00:33:50.080 on just one section of area and because what if you know like I said property 00:33:50.080 --> 00:33:53.560 owner a developer wants to know what's going on over there too because they 00:33:53.560 --> 00:33:56.720 might have some property over there they want to develop and they don't want you 00:33:56.720 --> 00:34:00.720 know you won't let them in because they don't live in that area you know what if 00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:05.440 somebody out of town you know like a developer lives in Dallas that has some 00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:08.960 property on that side of town that's that's near some property that's being 00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:12.520 developed they want to know what's going on as well so I kind of I don't really 00:34:12.520 --> 00:34:18.600 kind of like that idea to be honest so yeah and I guess I'll just add to this I 00:34:18.600 --> 00:34:22.600 mean this what we're really talking about here is a notification right we're 00:34:22.600 --> 00:34:28.480 not saying we've got to provide all of this information to these people all at 00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:33.720 this time if they opt in for a project I would hope that they get a notification 00:34:33.720 --> 00:34:38.680 of the project and then they get an idea of where they can go seek information on 00:34:38.680 --> 00:34:44.600 it and put the onus on them to if they're interested this is the this is 00:34:44.600 --> 00:34:48.280 the place you go here's the notification that it's happening here's the place 00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:55.120 that you go and in that place that they go is the staff contact I assume if they 00:34:55.120 --> 00:35:00.880 should have questions I mean is that am I following the logic and in how that how 00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:04.800 this is gonna work yeah exactly that's that's the way we're visualizing it in 00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:10.080 the email you know you would you would provide a link and then say here you can 00:35:10.080 --> 00:35:15.480 you can go to view information about the project here you can find P&Z and city 00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:21.520 council dates on this website too so included in this is redesign of our 00:35:21.520 --> 00:35:26.520 active projects map and we've got a few items that we're gonna try to to clean 00:35:26.520 --> 00:35:32.880 up there and make it a little more user friendly for the general public and then 00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:35.240 that would include all of the information about the project as well 00:35:35.240 --> 00:35:42.520 and then at what point Charlie are you thinking the notification of a project 00:35:42.520 --> 00:35:51.400 would go out when it's set for an agenda already or at what point would you send 00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:56.600 out that notification through this system before any type of community 00:35:56.600 --> 00:36:03.840 meeting or public hearing is what what we're recommending how at the same time 00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:09.160 of other notices okay so at the same time that you would be sending out 00:36:09.160 --> 00:36:16.240 mailers you would be pinging this yep okay all right 00:36:16.240 --> 00:36:25.960 anybody else with thoughts or comments okay did we help get you what you needed 00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:30.000 to bring back to council yep I will provide the Commission's feedback to 00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:36.800 City Council when we present on May 3rd okay and then real quickly I just wanted 00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:46.480 to highlight the eTrackIt website so if you go on our land development page and 00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:52.960 you go to eTrackIt you're able here to search for a project and you can search 00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:58.920 project number here so this is what we would is this what you would point them 00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:04.520 to yeah we would provide links out to the active projects map and in this page 00:37:04.520 --> 00:37:10.840 and they would be integrated with the solution of the active projects map so 00:37:10.840 --> 00:37:15.160 they can find some site info contact information mm-hmm that's great all right 00:37:15.160 --> 00:37:22.080 thank you all thank you too okay that'll bring us to our next work 00:37:22.080 --> 00:37:35.760 session report which is 2B PZ 22075 I believe Haley is presenting that good 00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:41.440 evening again Haley Zagorski so this is just a quick update for you all last 00:37:41.440 --> 00:37:45.160 year you know we went through a series of of planning boot camps or training 00:37:45.160 --> 00:37:50.120 sessions we covered a variety of kind of high-level topics last year regarding 00:37:50.120 --> 00:37:55.160 just planning in general zoning and variances the shot clock we covered a 00:37:55.160 --> 00:37:59.000 couple of times so we don't want to repeat those topics necessarily unless 00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:02.960 there's just a particular interest in them but we are looking to continue just 00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:06.560 some some educational work sessions for you all to to give you a variety of 00:38:06.560 --> 00:38:10.160 topics and discussions so this is the tentative list that we've pulled 00:38:10.160 --> 00:38:13.520 together of things that we thought you all might be interested in or things 00:38:13.520 --> 00:38:17.000 that you've indicated through the matrix that you would like a future discussion 00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:22.100 on so some of these for example annexation parking drainage and 00:38:22.100 --> 00:38:25.700 transportation topics we've heard through the matrix portion of the agenda 00:38:25.700 --> 00:38:28.880 that you all have an interest in so we've slated those in for some tentative 00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:33.320 dates over the coming months as well as some some additional topics for example 00:38:33.320 --> 00:38:37.720 the city's municipal utility district policy will be going to City Council so 00:38:37.720 --> 00:38:40.440 we thought that would be something that you all might also have an interest in 00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:44.720 so we'd like to bring that forward so this is like I said our tentative work 00:38:44.720 --> 00:38:47.760 schedule for the year we wanted to get some feedback to make sure that there's 00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:50.640 not something that we've completely missed that you all are interested in a 00:38:50.640 --> 00:38:54.640 discussion on or any of these that you might just say you know what we were not 00:38:54.640 --> 00:38:59.360 interested in a discussion on that topic so simply just looking for feedback to 00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:02.760 see if if we have a nod of approval to move forward with this or if there's 00:39:02.760 --> 00:39:09.480 something else that you all would like slated on this agenda thoughts 00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:15.760 Commissioner Pruitt thank you chair now I think this list looks fantastic I 00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:19.760 really thank staff for putting thought and effort into this I think it 00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:25.960 incorporates some of the things that we've heard in a lot of our time over 00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:35.400 this last year only thing that I would ask is I know we talked a lot about we 00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:43.000 had that one boot camp item about sustainable environmental impacts to 00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:50.200 specific pieces of land right like riparian areas etc and and I don't know 00:39:50.200 --> 00:39:52.920 that this is the direction that's going because I haven't been following the 00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:57.720 sustainability framework committee all that closely but maybe as we get into 00:39:57.720 --> 00:40:04.000 next year if there are goals through that sustainable framework that are 00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:10.060 impacted by land use decisions as opposed to you know how a riparian area 00:40:10.060 --> 00:40:16.480 changes but things that that may not effects that may not be an effect of the 00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:22.120 land but an effect of air quality or other goals that that framework has and 00:40:22.120 --> 00:40:27.840 is looking at I'd be interested to understand what impact the land use 00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:32.880 decisions have on those things so that we can make sure we're aligned okay yeah 00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:41.040 we can certainly look into that anybody else everybody like the upcoming topics 00:40:41.040 --> 00:40:49.000 I'm sorry I'm gonna miss some of them be here for part of that anyway I'm 00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:51.440 thinking about it I just say yeah there's some that you would like to see 00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:56.000 before before August you can let us know okay that sounds good well and I think 00:40:56.000 --> 00:41:01.320 we also tried to be strategic in what we calendared and when because of a couple 00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:06.480 projects that we have going on but yeah we're open I mean if there's something 00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:10.440 that you feel like you would like to have sooner than later I mean let us 00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:15.720 know we were also trying to take into consideration if we have any new 00:41:15.720 --> 00:41:23.400 appointees to the Planning Commission in the timing of that would occur so so 00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:27.160 that kind of influenced our decision on some of those items but again we're here 00:41:27.160 --> 00:41:34.240 to respond to requests that you all have made Commissioner Smith I know there's 00:41:34.240 --> 00:41:38.560 gonna be a hot button discussion item on an affordable housing project that's 00:41:38.560 --> 00:41:44.760 coming off of Sanders and Country Club I believe so I don't know I know housing 00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:48.640 affordability is a 2023 item but I don't know if that's possibly discussion for 00:41:48.640 --> 00:41:51.280 earlier if it gets that point or if there's been developments in that 00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:56.040 project since the neighborhood was originally notified so I'm not sure 00:41:56.040 --> 00:41:58.920 what's going on with that specific project other than it's still in 00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:02.560 discussion and will likely come forward at some point in the future as a zoning 00:42:02.560 --> 00:42:06.000 request but we can certainly look into moving that up we were thinking just 00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:10.440 general topics that affect affordability like our development regulations parking 00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:13.880 standards things of that nature and how they relate to affordable housing so if 00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:17.680 that's of interest we can we can look at moving that up to get to it this year 00:42:17.680 --> 00:42:22.280 that and then including in that project once again it's possible topic and maybe 00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:27.800 that doesn't even come up maybe it's not even needed till 2023 but I think including the 00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:32.720 the the process of going through City Council for the inspection of being able 00:42:32.720 --> 00:42:35.760 to do that and how the housing credit or that the tax abatements work within that 00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:45.040 would be helpful as well certainly great anything else looks great Haley thank 00:42:45.040 --> 00:42:50.920 you all right thank you all appreciate it okay that is the end of our work 00:42:50.920 --> 00:42:55.480 session report so we will get on to clarification of our agenda items for 00:42:55.480 --> 00:43:00.960 this evening first one is our minutes for April 13th are there any 00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:10.680 clarifications needed on the minutes okay we'll go into items for individual 00:43:10.680 --> 00:43:18.640 consideration there's an election of chair and vice chair I'm gonna let maybe 00:43:18.640 --> 00:43:24.720 Tina reference why we're doing that sure thing thank you you're welcome so it was 00:43:24.720 --> 00:43:27.400 brought to our attention by the city secretary's office that apparently we 00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:31.360 need to be doing this in January so we're playing catch-up with some of our 00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:36.200 boards and commissions so this evening we will need to have nominations for 00:43:36.200 --> 00:43:39.640 election of a chair and then following that we would do the vice chair but it's 00:43:39.640 --> 00:43:45.280 just to get us in in compliance with the the city secretary's office if you don't 00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:55.120 mind questions comments so your mission or call it just seems like we did this 00:43:55.120 --> 00:44:03.560 just a couple months ago and and and understand your concern and and also we 00:44:03.560 --> 00:44:08.560 actually staff the planning team tried to advocate for potentially doing this 00:44:08.560 --> 00:44:12.960 later in the year because we know technically Commissioner Ellis is is 00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:18.360 termed out come this August so so we'll yeah potentially be doing this again 00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:23.640 depending upon what the results of tonight are but is but so we understand 00:44:23.640 --> 00:44:27.840 like I said we understand we tried to advocate for a timing that we thought 00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:31.160 would be in the better interest of the planning and zoning Commission but I was 00:44:31.160 --> 00:44:37.600 told no so to me it seems like yeah this is we're doing this twice a year that's 00:44:37.600 --> 00:44:45.160 what it seems like we're doing January and September so well and I'm happy to 00:44:45.160 --> 00:44:48.880 have a conversation and with the city secretary's office also maybe in the 00:44:48.880 --> 00:44:52.440 future about could we better align the timing associated with this because if 00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:57.800 we are finding ourselves doing this twice a year then their office may not 00:44:57.800 --> 00:45:01.880 be fully aware of that and keep in mind we have many boards and commissions that 00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:04.320 are throughout the city and so I know they're trying to probably have a more 00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:09.080 standardized process because they're trying to keep up with them all and so 00:45:09.080 --> 00:45:13.000 but I know their their desires to have there should have happened in January so 00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:16.360 but hence why we've got on the agenda tonight okay 00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:19.640 Commissioner Smith I think in aligning with thank you chair I think in aligning 00:45:19.640 --> 00:45:24.880 with terms for board for commission members makes more sense rather than 00:45:24.880 --> 00:45:28.240 calendar year since essentially what will happen is that if there's ever a 00:45:28.240 --> 00:45:32.680 time like what would happen in this September of this year then whoever is 00:45:32.680 --> 00:45:35.780 elected chair and vice-chair at that time will then have to also do an 00:45:35.780 --> 00:45:40.840 election January of 2023 so we're gonna and then and then depending upon it gets 00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:44.680 elected there if their term ends and that next September then it's being done 00:45:44.680 --> 00:45:48.480 again and so it might be a line it up with term limits that makes more sense 00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:54.800 for those so yeah so here I think we're doing something the secretary says we 00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:57.720 need to do so that's why it's on our agenda tonight and then Tina if you can 00:45:57.720 --> 00:46:01.680 maybe have a future discussion down the road and see if this makes what makes 00:46:01.680 --> 00:46:10.200 sense for future PNC's okay anything else on that okay let's move to item B 00:46:10.200 --> 00:46:16.340 which is FP two two zero zero one two Julie did you want to come up and say a 00:46:16.340 --> 00:46:28.920 few words about that item good evening Julie Wyatt senior planner let me pull 00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:36.880 up the presentation all right this is a final plot within the Robeson ranch plan 00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:43.320 development district they do have so it's for a new residential unit it is 00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:48.280 consistent with the with the PD they do have some items that they need to 00:46:48.280 --> 00:46:53.240 correct on that final plat so they have requested an extension to the May 5th PNC 00:46:53.240 --> 00:46:58.280 meeting and I'll be happy to answer any questions thank you Julie any questions 00:46:58.280 --> 00:47:00.800 on that item 00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:13.480 commissioner Cole yes on my map I can't see property owners to the north do you 00:47:13.480 --> 00:47:21.720 have I'm worried that this might be close to Coe Ranch okay I can pull up a 00:47:21.720 --> 00:47:29.640 map absolutely yeah for me so I don't I want to do everything right so I'd like 00:47:29.640 --> 00:47:34.200 to know where this is absolutely yes exactly if it's gonna be boarding our 00:47:34.200 --> 00:47:37.400 fence lines I didn't know that absolutely I can do that yes thank you 00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:47.280 so much anything else okay thanks Julie so you've got the next one anyway this 00:47:47.280 --> 00:47:53.440 one is also Robeson ranch this is FP 22 13 it is just for a piece of that Robeson 00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:59.160 Ranch Boulevard that's just extending that road a bit to the north once again 00:47:59.160 --> 00:48:03.760 there was a preliminary plat approved on this they do have some items they do 00:48:03.760 --> 00:48:08.040 need to correct on the final plat so they have requested an extension to the 00:48:08.040 --> 00:48:16.520 May 25th PNC meeting any questions on this one thank you very much our next 00:48:16.520 --> 00:48:26.900 item is PP 2 2 0 0 0 8 it is Lisa Payne's item preliminary plan I believe 00:48:26.900 --> 00:48:33.680 we're got an extension request on but I will let her present hi Lisa good 00:48:33.680 --> 00:48:39.880 evening Lisa pain and this is for a multifamily project that's east of I 35 00:48:39.880 --> 00:48:44.840 it's a preliminary plot staff does recommend denial right now but the 00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:49.680 applicant has requested an extension for 30 days to the May 25th meeting and 00:48:49.680 --> 00:48:55.080 staff has no objection to that thanks Lisa any questions right now for Lisa on 00:48:55.080 --> 00:49:05.640 this one thank you very much our next item on the agenda is ZCP 21 0 0 3 1 00:49:05.640 --> 00:49:17.560 that is Karina's item hello let me just pull up my presentation 00:49:17.560 --> 00:49:30.080 all right this will be an abbreviated presentation but I have additional 00:49:30.080 --> 00:49:33.880 slides so if you have questions please feel free to ask me and I'll pull those 00:49:33.880 --> 00:49:38.980 slides up so the request tonight is going to be for a site plan for razor 00:49:38.980 --> 00:49:47.360 ranch retail center so ZCP 21 - 0 0 3 1 so just quick overview the request today 00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:51.880 is to consider approval of a site plan for a fifty seven point seventy four 00:49:51.880 --> 00:49:59.200 acre retail development located in the south campus of the razor ranch overlay 00:49:59.200 --> 00:50:05.080 district specifically within the town center or our one sub area and these are 00:50:05.080 --> 00:50:12.820 our two sub area so just to orient yourself on the screen the thoroughfare 00:50:12.820 --> 00:50:18.200 that's going through the middle is West University on the north side is the 00:50:18.200 --> 00:50:23.040 marketplace where y'all had that item for the Home Depot so this request is 00:50:23.040 --> 00:50:27.880 actually on the south side of West University Drive so you'll see within 00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:33.280 this buffered area it was it's a weird lot so I didn't want to specifically 00:50:33.280 --> 00:50:40.680 outline it but it is located within the rr1 and south rr2 sub areas so the 00:50:40.680 --> 00:50:44.200 reason that you're getting this request today is because the razor ranch overlay 00:50:44.200 --> 00:50:49.540 district does require P&Z to approve all new development or site plans for all 00:50:49.540 --> 00:50:54.160 new developments in the south campus so that's why the request is coming today 00:50:54.160 --> 00:50:58.560 here is just a brief screenshot of what that looks like this is just the color 00:50:58.560 --> 00:51:02.720 rendering all those specific site plans and landscape plans are in the in the 00:51:02.720 --> 00:51:08.200 agenda packet so staff is recommending approval as it does comply with the 00:51:08.200 --> 00:51:14.440 criteria for approval for site plans in the in the overlay district so with that 00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:18.080 I can answer any specific questions related to the site plans landscape 00:51:18.080 --> 00:51:24.240 plans concept plans any questions that y'all have thanks Karina do we have 00:51:24.240 --> 00:51:31.160 questions for Karina on this item I do not see it and I know you've got the 00:51:31.160 --> 00:51:33.880 full presentation that will say I do I won't give her the full presentation at 00:51:33.880 --> 00:51:38.280 the regular meeting perfect thank you very much all right guys that takes us 00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:45.560 to our public hearing item for the evening z 21 0 0 1 7 and I will bring 00:51:45.560 --> 00:51:53.040 yep Lisa pain back up and we can get questions answered on this is recusing 00:51:53.040 --> 00:52:03.800 himself from this item we'll see you after I'm also going to do an abbreviated 00:52:03.800 --> 00:52:07.800 version of my presentation but y'all are welcome to ask me questions of course 00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:12.720 about it and this is the arm squared track which is also known as Baker 00:52:12.720 --> 00:52:19.080 Ranch and this is a property that they want to go from our art to Li the future 00:52:19.080 --> 00:52:25.760 land use is light industrial as approved in the 2040 comprehensive plan and the 00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:32.160 property around it as you can see in the this is the future land use map which 00:52:32.160 --> 00:52:38.520 has light industrial all around it and light blue and the light yellow is for 00:52:38.520 --> 00:52:44.440 low residential and then over here's the zoning map it's got rural residential 00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:48.240 over here and the in the green light industrial here in the light blue and 00:52:48.240 --> 00:52:55.040 this light greenish bluish color is a general office and I can take any 00:52:55.040 --> 00:53:01.080 questions about anything the applicants also here what questions do we have for 00:53:01.080 --> 00:53:09.680 Lisa on this I hit okay Commissioner Pruitt thank you chair I guess and maybe 00:53:09.680 --> 00:53:13.640 the full presentation gets into this and if so that's fine I can wait until till 00:53:13.640 --> 00:53:23.760 then looking at the map and it looks it's a the railroad track sort of on the 00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:29.120 east side of it right and so I was trying to envision where the the mobility 00:53:29.120 --> 00:53:32.780 of I'm assuming light industrial may have some truck traffic and that sort of 00:53:32.780 --> 00:53:35.840 thing might might go so if that's something that we're already planning on 00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:40.080 covering that's that's fine I'll wait if it's not do we have any information 00:53:40.080 --> 00:53:44.520 about that so I was gonna let the applicant do a lot of that stuff because 00:53:44.520 --> 00:53:47.880 okay you know the plan itself you know this is strictly for the zoning right 00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:50.400 not actually planned they do have a concept plan that was included in your 00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:53.360 packet but I didn't want to say any definite about what would actually 00:53:53.360 --> 00:54:00.000 happen but their plan is to come off of mosh branch also have an entrance on 00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:05.920 lovers Lane that future entrance on lovers Lane is supposed to 288 the 00:54:05.920 --> 00:54:11.920 future 28 supposed to go across there to be the new access there but mosh branch 00:54:11.920 --> 00:54:17.600 is supposed to be their main entrance exit they purposely are not having any 00:54:17.600 --> 00:54:25.240 direct access to Hampton okay thank you yes but it's not like you can stop 00:54:25.240 --> 00:54:29.560 people from using Hampton no of course any of the other streets off of 00:54:29.560 --> 00:54:35.800 university to get that way to expand on that a little bit and the applicant has 00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:41.680 spoken with the city and their their plan is to rather than it improving 00:54:41.680 --> 00:54:46.560 Hampton with their impact these to improve mosh branch instead going down 00:54:46.560 --> 00:54:52.640 to 380 to encourage the 18 wheelers to use that route to go directly from 380 00:54:52.640 --> 00:54:57.120 to mosh branch directly into the development rather than going another 00:54:57.120 --> 00:55:07.680 way through the neighborhood right other questions before I ask a few where where 00:55:07.680 --> 00:55:13.920 do we stand with the parcel of land that is not being considered for rezoning do 00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:18.760 you have any updates on that so the latest that that part that piece of 00:55:18.760 --> 00:55:24.720 property originally the applicant proposed to the residents that he held 00:55:24.720 --> 00:55:30.040 neighborhood meeting with that he would build a park there and then dedicated to 00:55:30.040 --> 00:55:36.360 the city basically to do that as a way to create a permanent buffer so they'd 00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:42.520 be that much further away from any warehouse use as the time has gone on 00:55:42.520 --> 00:55:48.720 people have met the most recent is that the people that live around there are 00:55:48.720 --> 00:55:53.960 not interested in a park they would rather have it just be ag land there is 00:55:53.960 --> 00:56:00.680 someone who is willing to buy that property from the applicant and just 00:56:00.680 --> 00:56:06.160 have it just ag with cows and that's it the applicant has said that they are 00:56:06.160 --> 00:56:11.800 willing to do a deed restriction that would only allow our uses for 25 years 00:56:11.800 --> 00:56:17.520 and so that's where that stands on that but the applicant is willing he's still 00:56:17.520 --> 00:56:23.680 willing to do the park if that's what the city would like but he also wants to 00:56:23.680 --> 00:56:32.680 protect the residents that live there um yeah the issue that I'm having the 00:56:32.680 --> 00:56:37.160 biggest issue that I'm having here is why wouldn't pursue maybe like a PD with 00:56:37.160 --> 00:56:43.080 this particular parcel I get how pretty it fits in with future land use and the 00:56:43.080 --> 00:56:48.280 colors and all that and ally but you know we're dealing with a very special 00:56:48.280 --> 00:56:54.400 community in our city that's been there for a very long time and and I'm 00:56:54.400 --> 00:56:58.640 interested in in the protection that that they are getting and if we open 00:56:58.640 --> 00:57:05.240 this up to just a straight rezoning to Li yes their concept plan looks very nice 00:57:05.240 --> 00:57:10.580 we have no idea if that's actually going to develop or not or even if that 00:57:10.580 --> 00:57:14.680 develop and down the road becomes something else I mean it opens it up to 00:57:14.680 --> 00:57:21.520 everything that Li can allow so I guess I just want some feedback from you as 00:57:21.520 --> 00:57:26.400 you were reviewing this why we didn't maybe consider that or maybe it was 00:57:26.400 --> 00:57:32.160 considered and talked about I don't know and for this there we didn't find a 00:57:32.160 --> 00:57:37.640 reason for that to go to PD as as you might have one or two reasons that that 00:57:37.640 --> 00:57:43.560 maybe you want them sorry my words um basically there they don't have a whole 00:57:43.560 --> 00:57:46.800 list of things that they're trying to change about the zoning like what they 00:57:46.800 --> 00:57:52.920 want to do is going to comply with the zoning that they're requesting it's not 00:57:52.920 --> 00:57:56.400 like they're going to change many things about the landscaping or the building 00:57:56.400 --> 00:58:02.480 design or anything like that so what they want to do does comply with it I 00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:06.960 think this is probably just coming up because of the that extra piece of 00:58:06.960 --> 00:58:11.600 property that is it going to be parked is it going to be ag how much is it 00:58:11.600 --> 00:58:16.440 going to actually protect the neighbors or not well for me it comes up because 00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:20.240 with the zoning change I mean that a concept plan is not tied to a zoning 00:58:20.240 --> 00:58:24.040 change the zoning changes is changed it really doesn't matter what kind of 00:58:24.040 --> 00:58:28.240 presentation we get even tonight on the concept because it's not tied to what 00:58:28.240 --> 00:58:34.320 we're doing that's that's why I'm bringing it up because if it doesn't 00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:40.360 make for whatever reason and that happens all the time what could it 00:58:40.360 --> 00:58:46.560 possibly be if it doesn't happen to be this concept plan so I'll leave it at 00:58:46.560 --> 00:58:54.520 that Commissioner Villarreal I guess my question is about the the I know he 00:58:54.520 --> 00:59:00.400 mentioned that they would rather have pasture over park but who did he speak 00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:05.240 to how many neighbors responded and said they would rather have a pasture than a 00:59:05.240 --> 00:59:09.200 park that's kind of confusing me a bit so and Smith who lives in the 00:59:09.200 --> 00:59:13.600 neighborhood and I've been told is kind of the leader I've been told that she 00:59:13.600 --> 00:59:17.560 went door-to-door and talked to 40 of the neighbors and 39 of them said that 00:59:17.560 --> 00:59:21.040 they would rather have the pasture than the park they're the reason that at 00:59:21.040 --> 00:59:25.080 first the park sounded good the more they thought about it the more that they 00:59:25.080 --> 00:59:30.720 were concerned about possible homeless tent camps also parking they did not 00:59:30.720 --> 00:59:34.560 want a parking lot at the park but they also did not want anyone parking along 00:59:34.560 --> 00:59:38.920 Hampton or their neighborhood streets so basically that would make it where's a 00:59:38.920 --> 00:59:42.720 park just for them to walk to which is fine that would make it within the 10 00:59:42.720 --> 00:59:49.280 mile radius for the parks which is part of their plan but so that 00:59:49.280 --> 00:59:54.720 eventually just became we don't want it to become a problem in one way or the 00:59:54.720 --> 01:00:00.560 other so we'd rather just stay the way that it is I think the issue from how I 01:00:00.560 --> 01:00:04.480 understand it is they didn't want a public park because that that's in it's 01:00:04.480 --> 01:00:07.880 inviting more traffic through the neighborhood it's invite I mean it's it's 01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:13.960 it's not really helping the rural way that they have been living yeah the 01:00:13.960 --> 01:00:18.800 proposed part was simply a linear park that did not have gathering spaces but 01:00:18.800 --> 01:00:23.360 it still could invite other people that don't live in the area to come there of 01:00:23.360 --> 01:00:31.140 course anything else thank you Tina did you have something to add I think I 01:00:31.140 --> 01:00:35.680 interrupted you I just was when you mentioned something and was wanting to 01:00:35.680 --> 01:00:39.560 get some clarification on so I know you expressed concern or made a statement 01:00:39.560 --> 01:00:43.360 regarding concern maybe some of the land uses that are allowed within the light 01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:48.680 industrial district so are there uses in particular or just the the potential 01:00:48.680 --> 01:00:53.480 intensity just was hoping to maybe learn a little more from you about that well I 01:00:53.480 --> 01:00:59.560 mean there yeah there were several from yeah other I have a list where housing 01:00:59.560 --> 01:01:07.120 and food processing and okay auto repair and gas stations and I mean there's 01:01:07.120 --> 01:01:11.520 several I mean I I don't have them all in front of you no no no no no no well 01:01:11.520 --> 01:01:18.840 and I want to make sure because my what I was reading between the lines was 01:01:18.840 --> 01:01:22.440 concern regarding potential intensity of land uses because you're right and and I 01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:25.000 appreciate you looking at this holistically because when we have a 01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:29.480 request to rezone property to a certain district while the applicant may have a 01:01:29.480 --> 01:01:32.560 desire of focusing on one particular land use to be able to develop in this 01:01:32.560 --> 01:01:36.040 case potentially warehouses on the property the LA district does allow for 01:01:36.040 --> 01:01:40.560 a wider variety of uses so you know as Lisa mentioned we did not consider plan 01:01:40.560 --> 01:01:43.940 development district the applicant was requesting a straight zoning associated 01:01:43.940 --> 01:01:48.560 with this the uses that are allowed within the light industrial district are 01:01:48.560 --> 01:01:53.300 uses that that are you know commonly found when property their zone light 01:01:53.300 --> 01:01:58.000 industrial the the proposed rezoning is consistent with our comprehensive plan 01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:03.320 recommendations in that area but so we did not you know we did not consider 01:02:03.320 --> 01:02:10.000 trying to limit the uses within that area the if the Commission is concerned 01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:13.260 regarding the uses that are allowed within the light industrial zoning 01:02:13.260 --> 01:02:17.640 district you know another option is to can consider a different zoning category 01:02:17.640 --> 01:02:21.680 for that property one of the things that we were discussing today as a result of 01:02:21.680 --> 01:02:25.660 some of the inquiries were receiving was the general office district the general 01:02:25.660 --> 01:02:28.540 office district does allow for warehousing operations associated with 01:02:28.540 --> 01:02:33.760 that it's considered of you know a more restrictive or lesser intensive uses I 01:02:33.760 --> 01:02:37.520 don't know if we've had an opportunity to have a conversation with the 01:02:37.520 --> 01:02:40.680 applicant to fully understand the uses that are allowed in geo whether or not 01:02:40.680 --> 01:02:46.760 that would be meet their needs as well given that they've requested the LI the 01:02:46.760 --> 01:02:51.200 general office district does have some more specific site design considerations 01:02:51.200 --> 01:02:54.000 that would come into play which from what I understand in talking with the 01:02:54.000 --> 01:02:58.920 team it's predominantly associated with landscaping greater tree coverage 01:02:58.920 --> 01:03:03.480 associated with it and I think it's about a 10% increase if if member 01:03:03.480 --> 01:03:07.520 searchman correctly associated with that but geo district does allow for 01:03:07.520 --> 01:03:12.880 warehousing distribution type uses so I'm not sure if if that is something 01:03:12.880 --> 01:03:17.560 that the that the Commission is deemed more favorable of I know we've had some 01:03:17.560 --> 01:03:20.240 other light industrial zoning cases that have come before you where you've 01:03:20.240 --> 01:03:25.640 requested consideration of the geo district and instead of the LI so the 01:03:25.640 --> 01:03:29.600 you know again we evaluated this based upon what the applicant submitted it was 01:03:29.600 --> 01:03:34.160 consistent with our comprehensive plan the the unique element associated with 01:03:34.160 --> 01:03:38.280 this request was the fact that the applicant was proposing to include that 01:03:38.280 --> 01:03:42.400 buffer on the south side but it was not being included as part of this zoning 01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:46.120 request so ultimately being that it's not part of that you know it would 01:03:46.120 --> 01:03:50.440 retain its existing zoning that's in place and until some future owner decided 01:03:50.440 --> 01:03:53.720 to come through and do something with the property we thought we had a 01:03:53.720 --> 01:03:58.840 potential solution with respect to a public park being there and and keep in 01:03:58.840 --> 01:04:02.560 mind not necessarily all public parks are actively programmed for recreational 01:04:02.560 --> 01:04:06.240 purposes this may have been something a little more linear in nature given the 01:04:06.240 --> 01:04:11.160 the way the the strip of land was being left but obviously the residents have 01:04:11.160 --> 01:04:15.680 expressed a concern associated with that so our our analysis is based upon what 01:04:15.680 --> 01:04:21.160 is shown outlined in yellow on that aerial and the the buffer that was just 01:04:21.160 --> 01:04:24.120 an additional benefit especially if it was going to be dedicated as a public 01:04:24.120 --> 01:04:27.480 part but at the end of the day we focused our analysis on on the area of 01:04:27.480 --> 01:04:31.960 the request and I'll add to that that I did speak with the applicant about the 01:04:31.960 --> 01:04:35.960 possibility of going to a different zoning district if that came up tonight 01:04:35.960 --> 01:04:41.440 and I'll let him expand on it later on but he did say that that's not something 01:04:41.440 --> 01:04:46.520 that they would be interested in the developer needs their requirement is 01:04:46.520 --> 01:04:50.400 that they have at least an industrial zoning or they're not their company does 01:04:50.400 --> 01:04:54.600 not allow them to construct on that property okay so not that this is tied 01:04:54.600 --> 01:04:58.960 to a specific developer it's just the land but the one that's planning to come 01:04:58.960 --> 01:05:02.840 in again who's requesting it sure yeah that makes sense and obviously they will 01:05:02.840 --> 01:05:07.680 be here with a presentation and you will have a fuller presentation okay for work 01:05:07.680 --> 01:05:12.040 session do we have any other questions to work out Commissioner Perrett thank 01:05:12.040 --> 01:05:18.480 you I guess coming going back to what chair Ellis mentioned before about how 01:05:18.480 --> 01:05:23.560 this is just the zoning and then there's the strip to the south that's separate 01:05:23.560 --> 01:05:29.480 right it may help our discussions go a little bit smoother if we understand 01:05:29.480 --> 01:05:36.760 what the options are in order to ensure both of those pieces happen options for 01:05:36.760 --> 01:05:43.560 what Commissioner Perrett well for for our direction going forward right it in 01:05:43.560 --> 01:05:47.560 other words right now it's it's a concept that it sounds like the the 01:05:47.560 --> 01:05:51.280 applicant would be amenable to a deed restriction and then there's some plans 01:05:51.280 --> 01:05:58.080 in place like we're not really discussing the parcel to the southeast in 01:05:58.080 --> 01:06:02.920 this in what we're talking in what we're voting on today I just wondered I just 01:06:02.920 --> 01:06:07.480 wanted to know where we stood but that's not anything that's going to be handled 01:06:07.480 --> 01:06:17.800 in our decision today okay understood thank you anything else okay thanks Lisa 01:06:17.800 --> 01:06:22.480 thank you we'll see you at the meeting okay okay that takes us to the end of 01:06:22.480 --> 01:06:27.560 our agenda so I will close our work session at 5 36 p.m. and we will be in 01:06:27.560 --> 01:06:34.560 council chambers at 630 thanks good evening and welcome to the city of 01:06:34.560 --> 01:06:40.280 Denton's planning and zoning Commission meeting for Wednesday April 27th 2022 I 01:06:40.280 --> 01:06:46.400 will call us with a quorum present to order at 630 p.m. our first item of 01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:52.160 business is say the Pledge of Allegiance to the US and Texas flags 01:06:57.560 --> 01:07:04.480 Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and 01:07:04.480 --> 01:07:24.440 justice for all our next item on the agenda is the approval of the planning 01:07:24.440 --> 01:07:29.080 zoning mission minutes from April 13th Commissioner Smith make a motion to 01:07:29.080 --> 01:07:34.100 approve Commissioner Villarreal we have a first and a second for approval of the 01:07:34.100 --> 01:07:44.720 minutes from April 13th any discussion okay let's vote on the board please that 01:07:44.720 --> 01:07:50.400 motion carries seven zero that takes us to our individual consideration items 01:07:50.400 --> 01:07:56.960 taking us to 3a and that is the election of chair and vice chair for the planning 01:07:56.960 --> 01:08:00.840 and zoning Commissioner Commissioner Smith make a motion to appoint Margie 01:08:00.840 --> 01:08:05.240 Ellis chair for the plan zoning Commission thank you Commissioner 01:08:05.240 --> 01:08:09.800 Smith Commissioner Anderson I second we have a first and a second any other 01:08:09.800 --> 01:08:24.840 nominations any discussion okay we can vote on the board please motion carries 01:08:24.840 --> 01:08:33.280 seven zero thank you Commissioner Pruitt move to appoint Tim Smith as vice chair 01:08:33.280 --> 01:08:39.280 Commissioner Cole second we have a first and a second to appoint Commissioner 01:08:39.280 --> 01:08:47.320 Smith vice chair of PNC any discussion other nominations okay let's vote on the 01:08:47.320 --> 01:08:59.800 board please motion carries seven zero our next item is FP 2 2 0 0 1 2 and I 01:08:59.800 --> 01:09:09.400 will invite Julie Wyatt up to the podium hi Julie all right hi I'm Julie Wyatt 01:09:09.400 --> 01:09:15.840 senior planner with the City of Denton and I am presenting FP 22 - 0 0 1 2 this 01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:20.060 is a single-family residential phase within the ropes and ranch plan 01:09:20.060 --> 01:09:25.120 development they do have some items they still need to work through and so they 01:09:25.120 --> 01:09:29.600 have requested an extension to the May 25th meeting and staff has no objection 01:09:29.600 --> 01:09:36.640 thank you Julie any questions for Julie Commissioner Smith make a motion to 01:09:36.640 --> 01:09:41.200 approve the extension to date certain of May 25th 2022 Commissioner Cole second 01:09:41.200 --> 01:09:45.080 okay we've got a first and a second to approve that extension request to a date 01:09:45.080 --> 01:09:55.800 certain of May 25th any discussion okay let's vote on the board please that 01:09:55.800 --> 01:10:03.320 motion carries seven zero taking us to FP 2 2 0 0 1 3 hello Julie all right 01:10:03.320 --> 01:10:07.800 we're gonna stay in the ropes and ranch community this is for a final plat for a 01:10:07.800 --> 01:10:14.040 section of the Robeson Boulevard roadway this is a private street within the plan 01:10:14.040 --> 01:10:18.200 development once again they have some items they still need to correct on this 01:10:18.200 --> 01:10:22.920 final plat and so staff they have requested an extension to the May 25th 01:10:22.920 --> 01:10:28.760 meeting and staff has no objection thank you Julie any questions for Julie 01:10:28.760 --> 01:10:33.480 thank you Commissioner Villarreal I move to approve the extension to a date 01:10:33.480 --> 01:10:38.160 certain of May 25th 2022 okay we've got a first to approve that extension request 01:10:38.160 --> 01:10:41.560 Commissioner Anderson second we've got a first and a second to approve the 01:10:41.560 --> 01:10:47.600 extension request to a date certain of May 25th any discussion okay let's vote 01:10:47.600 --> 01:10:57.200 on the board please that motion carries seven zero that will take us to 3d PP 2 01:10:57.200 --> 01:11:04.800 2 0 0 0 8 I'll invite Lisa pain up for a presentation hi Lisa good evening 01:11:04.800 --> 01:11:09.880 commissioners Lisa pain principal player for the city of Denton this is for a 01:11:09.880 --> 01:11:14.960 preliminary plat for a multifamily development that's east I'm sorry west 01:11:14.960 --> 01:11:21.800 of I 35 e the staff recommends denial on this plot as it has not yet met the 01:11:21.800 --> 01:11:27.120 criteria for approval but the applicant has requested an extension to May 25th 01:11:27.120 --> 01:11:35.760 PNZ meeting and stuff has no objection any questions for Lisa on this item do 01:11:35.760 --> 01:11:39.200 not see any Lisa thank you Commissioner Villarreal I move to approve the 01:11:39.200 --> 01:11:44.400 extension to a date certain of May 25th 2022 Commissioner Smith second okay we've 01:11:44.400 --> 01:11:47.880 got a first and a second to approve the extension request to a date certain of 01:11:47.880 --> 01:11:57.880 May 25th any discussion okay seeing none let's vote on the board please that 01:11:57.880 --> 01:12:07.520 motion carries seven zero that will take us to 3e ZCP 2 1 0 0 31 hi Karina 01:12:07.520 --> 01:12:12.720 right good evening Karina Maldonado transportation planner let me just pull 01:12:12.720 --> 01:12:21.160 up my presentation thank you all right good evening the request today is for 01:12:21.160 --> 01:12:28.160 ZCP 2 1 dash 0 0 3 1 this is for the razor ranch retail center so just very 01:12:28.160 --> 01:12:32.560 briefly a summary the request the request today is to consider approval of 01:12:32.560 --> 01:12:37.120 a site plan for a fifty seven point seven four acre retail development 01:12:37.120 --> 01:12:42.200 located in the south campus of the razor ranch overlay district specifically the 01:12:42.200 --> 01:12:49.640 town center rr1 sub area and south rr2 sub areas of the overlay district this 01:12:49.640 --> 01:12:53.440 is coming before you today because the razor ranch overlay district requires P&Z 01:12:53.440 --> 01:12:59.120 approval for all new developments in the south campus so that is here located on 01:12:59.120 --> 01:13:06.120 the south side of West University Drive so just going over the site very quickly 01:13:06.120 --> 01:13:13.320 it is currently approximately a 57 point fifty seven point seventy four acre lot 01:13:13.320 --> 01:13:19.840 so that is lot 10 r2 of the razor ranch town center addition it's located within 01:13:19.840 --> 01:13:25.920 two sub areas as you can see on the screen that is this general location at 01:13:25.920 --> 01:13:32.680 the southeast corner of I-35 and West University Drive the specific lot is kind 01:13:32.680 --> 01:13:37.320 of located here I kind of like to refer to it as a stingray lot and it looks 01:13:37.320 --> 01:13:42.840 sort of like a little stingray it does have a base zoning based in the 2002 01:13:42.840 --> 01:13:49.080 Denton Development Code and zoning which is the RCCD district that district does 01:13:49.080 --> 01:13:55.160 permit retail restaurant professional services within this area of the the 01:13:55.160 --> 01:14:01.720 overlay district per the razor ranch ordinances specifically ordinance 2016 01:14:01.720 --> 01:14:09.400 - zero one seven the subject site must comply with exhibits c1 d1 and e1 of the 01:14:09.400 --> 01:14:15.280 razor ranch overlay district this site plan consideration does include elements 01:14:15.280 --> 01:14:23.800 including a site plan a landscape plan as well as four sited elevations so just 01:14:23.800 --> 01:14:27.960 going over the site plan very briefly on the screen you'll see the actual 01:14:27.960 --> 01:14:34.880 entirety of lot 10 r2 however the proposal currently is for phase one of 01:14:34.880 --> 01:14:42.560 that development so as you can see the two sub areas are shown the south rr2 01:14:42.560 --> 01:14:48.760 sub areas is that which is shown in yellow in pink would be the town center 01:14:48.760 --> 01:14:54.360 sub area and then the subject site or phase one of the subject site is located 01:14:54.360 --> 01:15:02.320 within that dashed area so phase one does propose or it does encompass 31.44 01:15:02.320 --> 01:15:06.600 acres of the entire lot so it's not the entirety of the law but just a portion of 01:15:06.600 --> 01:15:11.440 it on the northern side it does include eight buildings totaling a maximum 01:15:11.440 --> 01:15:15.440 building footprint of two hundred and ninety nine thousand eight hundred and 01:15:15.440 --> 01:15:20.320 ninety four square feet that is the maximum square footage so you'll see 01:15:20.320 --> 01:15:23.760 there's kind of a dashed line the buildings that are shown look slightly 01:15:23.760 --> 01:15:27.440 smaller but they intend to have some sort of expansion so that square footage 01:15:27.440 --> 01:15:32.680 is related to the maximum square footage all buildings would have would be less 01:15:32.680 --> 01:15:36.960 than 46 feet maximum height the overlay district allows a hundred feet so 01:15:36.960 --> 01:15:42.880 they're well below those requirements to serve the development they're proposing 01:15:42.880 --> 01:15:47.120 one thousand two hundred ninety nine vehicular spaces to accommodate the 01:15:47.120 --> 01:15:51.720 retail or other permitted uses which would include restaurant and professional 01:15:51.720 --> 01:15:55.680 services the reason why you're seeing that listed even though this is a retail 01:15:55.680 --> 01:16:01.240 development is just to let you know that you know in the future if this develops 01:16:01.240 --> 01:16:04.200 and they have their tenants there's always the possibility that the tenants 01:16:04.200 --> 01:16:08.760 would change and these are the permitted uses and it would not affect to their 01:16:08.760 --> 01:16:14.760 total proposed parking so just wanted to make that clarification the razor ranch 01:16:14.760 --> 01:16:19.040 overlay district does permit the minimum parking to be exceeded so there's no 01:16:19.040 --> 01:16:22.960 maximum and so you'll see that what they're proposing is above the minimum 01:16:22.960 --> 01:16:30.800 requirement last they are taking access from I-35 from the frontage road of I-35 01:16:30.800 --> 01:16:35.320 that's an existing driveway as well as an existing driveways off of West 01:16:35.320 --> 01:16:40.200 University Drive and so as you can see on here there's one two and three 01:16:40.200 --> 01:16:46.240 driveway accesses that are currently existing this is the town center signal 01:16:46.240 --> 01:16:49.960 that currently exists today so that would be their main drive going into the 01:16:49.960 --> 01:16:55.960 site other things to consider the overlay district for this area does 01:16:55.960 --> 01:17:01.960 require bike-ped connectivity within the site so what you'll see here I should 01:17:01.960 --> 01:17:06.200 have highlighted it better but I'll kind of show you with my mouse through the 01:17:06.200 --> 01:17:12.200 center of the site is the main drive there is an east-west main drive as well 01:17:12.200 --> 01:17:16.240 as one on the the western side those have all been widened to 30 feet to 01:17:16.240 --> 01:17:21.480 accommodate cyclists in that area as well as signage there's additional 01:17:21.480 --> 01:17:27.960 pedestrian connections within the retail site and it stubs out to the south so 01:17:27.960 --> 01:17:32.760 that future phase two would continue that connectivity and eventually serve 01:17:32.760 --> 01:17:37.800 the multifamily developments that are existing in the razor ranch overlay area 01:17:37.800 --> 01:17:43.440 so another key thing to note is phase two will submit a separate zoning 01:17:43.440 --> 01:17:47.880 compliance plan so you'll see that in the future once they submit for for that 01:17:47.880 --> 01:17:53.400 application and a key thing to note is that lot coverage this is following the 01:17:53.400 --> 01:18:00.200 2002 code lot coverage would be combined for phase one and phase two so you'll 01:18:00.200 --> 01:18:06.360 see that the maximum lot coverage is 90% and they're not exceeding that 01:18:06.360 --> 01:18:09.600 currently but the two phases would combine to make sure that they don't 01:18:09.600 --> 01:18:15.600 exceed that so jumping into the landscape plan I've just provided you 01:18:15.600 --> 01:18:19.880 the color rendering because it was easier to show than the multiple plan 01:18:19.880 --> 01:18:26.760 sheets but they are proposing 31% landscape area 13% tree canopy coverage 01:18:26.760 --> 01:18:33.280 so far on the entire lot again these are these are based on the lot area versus 01:18:33.280 --> 01:18:38.800 the phase area so one thing to note is that the minimum tree canopy required is 01:18:38.800 --> 01:18:45.040 25% and they'll be required to meet that minimum with phase one and phase two so 01:18:45.040 --> 01:18:50.040 you'll see that it's less than 25 percent however combined they would they 01:18:50.040 --> 01:18:54.800 would be required to meet that additionally they're providing as 01:18:54.800 --> 01:18:58.400 required by the ordinance at least they're providing nineteen point five 01:18:58.400 --> 01:19:03.840 percent patio and open space these are kind of spaces located between the 01:19:03.840 --> 01:19:09.360 buildings so there would be seating areas the pedestrian areas count towards 01:19:09.360 --> 01:19:15.920 their open space eight foot sidewalks with kind of benches and seating so 01:19:15.920 --> 01:19:20.520 you'll see that each building has a kind of a wider pedestrian area and that 01:19:20.520 --> 01:19:25.520 counts towards our open space as with the other requirements phase one and 01:19:25.520 --> 01:19:31.280 phase two will need to maintain a minimum of 15% so you'll see while 01:19:31.280 --> 01:19:35.360 they're showing nineteen point five percent when phase two comes in they'll 01:19:35.360 --> 01:19:40.680 show you an updated percentage that needs to maintain the minimum phase one 01:19:40.680 --> 01:19:44.920 does comply with all other requirements of the landscape ordinance or design 01:19:44.920 --> 01:19:49.000 standards which includes that eight eleven percent of the parking lot is 01:19:49.000 --> 01:19:54.560 landscaped they're exceeding parking lot canopy and that 21% of the parking lot 01:19:54.560 --> 01:20:00.480 has tree canopy and street trees are provided as required so this is just a 01:20:00.480 --> 01:20:04.480 couple elevations of the proposed development of the eight buildings I 01:20:04.480 --> 01:20:10.680 didn't provide all of them but they're fairly similar in style so the main 01:20:10.680 --> 01:20:15.800 area that key kind of once you go into the main drive what you'll see is is 01:20:15.800 --> 01:20:22.720 this portion here the main drive cuts through between the proposed Macy's and 01:20:22.720 --> 01:20:27.160 at home and again this is just for conceptual elevations the tenants may 01:20:27.160 --> 01:20:31.240 change in the future so don't don't want anybody to get hung up on the the 01:20:31.240 --> 01:20:35.640 tenants but this is what the proposed elevations would look like coming into 01:20:35.640 --> 01:20:42.160 the site and so with that there is criteria for approval for site plans for 01:20:42.160 --> 01:20:45.680 the razor ranch overlay district are shown on this on the screen I won't go 01:20:45.680 --> 01:20:50.040 through them specifically but the site plan does comply with the zoning for 01:20:50.040 --> 01:20:55.520 this area which is exhibit b1 it meets all lot dimension requirements of the 01:20:55.520 --> 01:21:00.000 overlay district the site plan and landscape plan do not adversely affect 01:21:00.000 --> 01:21:03.960 adjacent neighborhoods since it's central to the overlay district there 01:21:03.960 --> 01:21:07.440 it's already built out with retail and restaurants they're not actually 01:21:07.440 --> 01:21:12.200 impacting them they are providing vehicular pedestrian bicycle connection 01:21:12.200 --> 01:21:17.480 to West University Drive where there's existing facilities as well as into the 01:21:17.480 --> 01:21:22.620 razor ranch district as a whole and so the site and landscape plans also meet 01:21:22.620 --> 01:21:29.420 all the landscape architectural design standards of the overlay district so 01:21:29.420 --> 01:21:33.760 there is no public notification required for razor ranch overlay district site 01:21:33.760 --> 01:21:38.320 plans so you didn't see that in your packet but staff does recommend 01:21:38.320 --> 01:21:42.080 approval of this request as it does meet all the requirements of the overlay 01:21:42.080 --> 01:21:47.040 district and with that I can answer any questions that you have thank you Karina 01:21:47.040 --> 01:21:59.120 any questions I do not see any thank you we did receive one e-comment form filled 01:21:59.120 --> 01:22:06.960 out on our website in support of this project and I also do have a card wishing 01:22:06.960 --> 01:22:14.640 to speak on this item and I believe that is the applicant Amy how are you 01:22:17.080 --> 01:22:23.000 good evening commissioners Amy Bissette 97 land company 109 North Elm Denton 76 01:22:23.000 --> 01:22:28.280 201 I have quite a bit of detail prepared in these slides but I'm just 01:22:28.280 --> 01:22:31.880 gonna kind of just walk you through them very quickly and then if you do have 01:22:31.880 --> 01:22:36.720 questions or would like to go into detail on any of them I'd be happy to do 01:22:36.720 --> 01:22:41.600 so I also want to note that Rick Coe is sitting behind me here he represents 01:22:41.600 --> 01:22:46.200 Fidelis who is the property owner and developer of this site and the remainder 01:22:46.200 --> 01:22:53.640 of the town center portion that will come in in phase 2 so as you know razor 01:22:53.640 --> 01:22:58.320 ranch is its own animal in terms of zoning it's got an old overlay district 01:22:58.320 --> 01:23:04.080 that was established in 2008 and encompasses 400 acres and the majority 01:23:04.080 --> 01:23:08.600 of the 400 acres at this point I would say is developed or is pending 01:23:08.600 --> 01:23:13.200 development at this point in time the majority of what's left is on the south 01:23:13.200 --> 01:23:19.560 side of University Drive and the two main property owners and developers 01:23:19.560 --> 01:23:24.040 within that that south portion are Fidelis and Allegiance Hillview and we 01:23:24.040 --> 01:23:29.760 are focused today on the property that Fidelis owns and Karina went through 01:23:29.760 --> 01:23:32.760 this but I just kind of wanted to highlight where this is located in 01:23:32.760 --> 01:23:37.360 relation to the rest of the razor ranch development along University you've got 01:23:37.360 --> 01:23:42.000 the in-and-out up here and some retail strip center development and then south 01:23:42.000 --> 01:23:46.280 of the site you've got the convention center you've got I-35 on the west 01:23:46.280 --> 01:23:50.880 Karina walked through the site plan but just kind of wanted to show you how that 01:23:50.880 --> 01:23:57.520 that overlays with the aerial that you were just viewing and just briefly want 01:23:57.520 --> 01:24:01.560 to talk about the areas of the razor ranch overlay that govern this site and 01:24:01.560 --> 01:24:06.400 specifically the the consideration of the site plan and the specifics 01:24:06.400 --> 01:24:11.120 associated with it and the overlay ordinance itself provides the criteria 01:24:11.120 --> 01:24:16.840 to approve the site plan and also the the dimensional and development standards 01:24:16.840 --> 01:24:24.640 for the rr1 and rr2 sub areas and the exhibit B1 concept plan goes into detail 01:24:24.640 --> 01:24:31.280 of what the allowable land uses are for each area and exhibit C1 is really where 01:24:31.280 --> 01:24:36.200 the detail and the meat comes in which is the the expectations of the site plan 01:24:36.200 --> 01:24:43.360 orientation and the architectural architectural elements so Karina 01:24:43.360 --> 01:24:48.360 already walked through the criteria for site plan approval and the development 01:24:48.360 --> 01:24:53.000 standards we do meet or exceed all of those and I do want to point out as 01:24:53.000 --> 01:24:57.720 Karina did that the 25% minimum tree canopy is for the entire lot and we're 01:24:57.720 --> 01:25:02.960 only developing 30 of the 57 acres today so that is a cumulative total that will 01:25:02.960 --> 01:25:09.000 have to be met and the remainder of in phase two the exhibit C1 architectural 01:25:09.000 --> 01:25:11.640 standards there's a couple of main elements that I just want to point out 01:25:11.640 --> 01:25:16.520 that we've spent a lot of time really working on demonstrating compliance and 01:25:16.520 --> 01:25:20.640 a superior development for this project and the first are related to site 01:25:20.640 --> 01:25:25.600 orientation and circulation specifically not just vehicular but pedestrian and 01:25:25.600 --> 01:25:30.560 bike circulation and that the the development is oriented around a central 01:25:30.560 --> 01:25:37.640 spine element and which I'll show you momentarily this that this does this 01:25:37.640 --> 01:25:42.320 this particular slide highlights the vehicular circulation and as Karina 01:25:42.320 --> 01:25:47.960 mentioned we do have widened main drives to accommodate bicyclists and 01:25:47.960 --> 01:25:53.520 pedestrians in addition to vehicles this which was included in your backup shows 01:25:53.520 --> 01:26:01.600 the the bike paths that provide access to all all aspects of the development as 01:26:01.600 --> 01:26:08.640 well as connectivity to University Drive and provide bike bike parking bike racks 01:26:08.640 --> 01:26:15.720 throughout the development as well this exhibit is specific to pedestrian 01:26:15.720 --> 01:26:20.600 circulation and runs concurrent with with the bicycle circulation and the 01:26:20.600 --> 01:26:28.720 widened facilities to accommodate both the spine element that is a key focus of 01:26:28.720 --> 01:26:35.520 this development is the main drive that comes in off of University Drive includes 01:26:35.520 --> 01:26:44.520 enhanced green space with multi-use trails benches and patterned concrete a 01:26:44.520 --> 01:26:50.280 number of elements that really enhanced that main entryway coming in to the 01:26:50.280 --> 01:26:55.480 to the development in the site and I've even got a 3d rendering here to show you 01:26:55.480 --> 01:26:58.800 kind of what that looks like coming in approaching the main from the main 01:26:58.800 --> 01:27:08.280 entrance the other main part of exhibit see one that we've we've worked hard to 01:27:08.280 --> 01:27:13.000 comply with is related to the building design as you all know there's a lot of 01:27:13.000 --> 01:27:16.480 there are a lot of elements in this ordinance about building materials which 01:27:16.480 --> 01:27:22.640 we also comply with but are is not as important at this point in time since 01:27:22.640 --> 01:27:27.320 it's not enforceable so we really worked hard to comply with the other 01:27:27.320 --> 01:27:31.960 architectural elements and specifically just to make sure that we're providing 01:27:31.960 --> 01:27:38.480 relief architecturally across all sides of the facade and material changes and 01:27:38.480 --> 01:27:45.160 color changes and both vertical and horizontal articulation and that is all 01:27:45.160 --> 01:27:50.020 I have at this time I'm happy to answer questions and Rick is also available to 01:27:50.020 --> 01:27:57.760 answer questions thank you thank you Amy I do not see any questions thank you 01:27:57.760 --> 01:28:03.640 thank you very much Commissioner Cole thank you chair I make a motion to 01:28:03.640 --> 01:28:09.640 approve Commissioner Anderson we've got a first and a second for approval any 01:28:09.640 --> 01:28:16.280 discussion okay I'll just say it's nice to see this part of Razor Ranch getting 01:28:16.280 --> 01:28:26.440 developed finally so let's vote on the board please that motion carries seven 01:28:26.440 --> 01:28:32.520 zero that takes us to our public hearing item item for the evening it is for a Z 01:28:32.520 --> 01:28:40.320 210017 I'll invite Lisa Payne up to the podium for presentation and I will open 01:28:40.320 --> 01:28:43.160 the public hearing 01:28:43.160 --> 01:29:02.360 all right good evening everyone again Lisa Payne and this property and this is 01:29:02.360 --> 01:29:08.360 a rezoning request that's for 311.5 acres on a rural residential property 01:29:08.360 --> 01:29:13.400 and they would like to become a light industrial LI district the future land 01:29:13.400 --> 01:29:18.040 use designation for this is light industrial in the Denton 2040 01:29:18.040 --> 01:29:22.160 comprehensive plan and it's generally located on the northeast corner of 01:29:22.160 --> 01:29:27.720 Hampton and Mosh Branch Road the property is currently has four active 01:29:27.720 --> 01:29:31.920 gas wells three of which are being plugged but other than that it's vacant 01:29:31.920 --> 01:29:38.600 except for agricultural uses and to the zoning is surrounded by residential to 01:29:38.600 --> 01:29:43.800 the northwest and south but on the northeast there's some LI and on the 01:29:43.800 --> 01:29:51.240 east is geo the Denton development code has general approval criteria and zoning 01:29:51.240 --> 01:29:56.920 criteria which is listed on the slide to summarize LI zoning is consistent with 01:29:56.920 --> 01:30:01.120 the Denton 2040 comprehensive plan as a subject properties feature land use 01:30:01.120 --> 01:30:05.360 designation is light industrial in addition all the surrounding property is 01:30:05.360 --> 01:30:08.840 designated as light industrial except for the single-family neighborhood to 01:30:08.840 --> 01:30:13.800 the south as shown on the future land use map the development shall comply with 01:30:13.800 --> 01:30:18.720 DDC requirements when it develops such as landscape buffer site and building 01:30:18.720 --> 01:30:25.800 designs and exterior lighting and the proposed rezoning from our to LI will 01:30:25.800 --> 01:30:29.760 make this property consistent with the future land use map designation of light 01:30:29.760 --> 01:30:35.920 industrial public notices were sent out in the newspaper it was April 10th 01:30:35.920 --> 01:30:42.160 website April 7th and property signs are posted on April 15th notices were mailed 01:30:42.160 --> 01:30:48.040 out to 22 of them were sent to those within 200 feet of the property and 26 01:30:48.040 --> 01:30:54.000 were sent to those within 500 feet responses as for formal responses we got 01:30:54.000 --> 01:31:00.000 three in opposition and one in favor and the applicant held two neighborhood 01:31:00.000 --> 01:31:07.040 meetings on March 17th and April 13th staff recommends approval of the 01:31:07.040 --> 01:31:12.320 requested rezoning as it does comply with the DDC and I'm available for 01:31:12.320 --> 01:31:19.560 questions and the applicant is also here it has a presentation thank you Lisa any 01:31:19.560 --> 01:31:28.480 questions at this time commissioner Anderson thank you sure can you go back 01:31:28.480 --> 01:31:33.360 a slide for me I want to look at something real quick go to slide three 01:31:33.360 --> 01:31:47.400 please this one three yes okay thank you okay okay any other questions for Lisa 01:31:47.400 --> 01:31:53.400 at this time okay thanks Lisa did you say the applicant does have a 01:31:53.400 --> 01:31:58.160 presentation yes I don't have a card from them but whoever would like to come 01:31:58.160 --> 01:32:03.180 down I won't let you have the podium I will say also for the record that I did 01:32:03.180 --> 01:32:10.880 not mention before is Commissioner Cole is recused himself from this item hi if 01:32:10.880 --> 01:32:14.280 you'll just state your name and address you will have 10 minutes for your 01:32:14.280 --> 01:32:19.400 presentation yes I'm Lee Ramsey with Orson Holdings 525 South Loop 288 here 01:32:19.400 --> 01:32:23.560 in Denton and thank you guys for serving and spending time away from your 01:32:23.560 --> 01:32:27.800 families tonight we are presenting the zoning case a lot of what we're going to 01:32:27.800 --> 01:32:31.600 go over I'll move through quickly because Lisa already covered so I'll get 01:32:31.600 --> 01:32:36.920 to the points that that matter so I'm Lee Ramsey and Brandon Martino is my 01:32:36.920 --> 01:32:40.720 business partner we are based here in Denton our businesses are based here in 01:32:40.720 --> 01:32:46.040 Denton we're actually from here so we do have done lots of development around 01:32:46.040 --> 01:32:51.040 town as far as industrial and infield development so we've worked with the 01:32:51.040 --> 01:32:58.840 city very very closely since 2006-7 on doing projects throughout the city so 01:32:58.840 --> 01:33:04.560 we're very familiar with the city processes and and and applications a 01:33:04.560 --> 01:33:08.840 little bit about us if you look at our developments from our infield to 01:33:08.840 --> 01:33:13.760 industrial when industrial was needed in town we were one of the first ones to 01:33:13.760 --> 01:33:17.800 step up and when there was not any anything available to build spec 01:33:17.800 --> 01:33:22.320 buildings here in town the first ones on Western on the other side also 01:33:22.320 --> 01:33:27.240 downtown when there was housing needed we were some of the first ones to enter 01:33:27.240 --> 01:33:32.080 downtown and create housing for downtown so we've worked closely throughout 01:33:32.080 --> 01:33:36.960 different aspects of the city from industrial and multifamily to retail and 01:33:36.960 --> 01:33:41.880 infield to greenfield so we understand when it talks about integrity of about 01:33:41.880 --> 01:33:46.920 which parts of the city need need what uses thinking about the community which 01:33:46.920 --> 01:33:49.880 we'll talk a little bit about some of the steps we've taken here today and 01:33:49.880 --> 01:33:53.800 thinking forward about you know what does our city need in the future for 01:33:53.800 --> 01:34:01.880 jobs for for whatever uses that the city needs long term these are some local 01:34:01.880 --> 01:34:07.320 charities that we support we are very involved in our community so this 01:34:07.320 --> 01:34:12.240 throughout the years these are different things from the the editor to UNT to 01:34:12.240 --> 01:34:19.120 current my partner and I both serve on the the Casa board so we've done that 01:34:19.120 --> 01:34:24.880 for many years I won't belabor the site I think everybody's familiar where the 01:34:24.880 --> 01:34:29.760 site is and what part of town but it did have an exhibit to show that we also had 01:34:29.760 --> 01:34:32.920 two neighborhood meetings and at the neighborhood meetings we offered for any 01:34:32.920 --> 01:34:36.560 residents to come meet with us one-on-one in our office and we did have 01:34:36.560 --> 01:34:42.320 a few take us up on that which was which we enjoyed because it whether they agree 01:34:42.320 --> 01:34:46.080 or disagree it gave us a chance to at least communicate at a higher level so 01:34:46.080 --> 01:34:51.020 I was thankful we did have a few residents take us up on that this this 01:34:51.020 --> 01:34:56.440 exhibit I think is important so as we looked at putting this LI zoning which 01:34:56.440 --> 01:35:01.440 is which is in accordance with the comprehensive plan the 20 40 plan that 01:35:01.440 --> 01:35:07.300 was just accepted and the 2030 plan that had business innovation that transitioned 01:35:07.300 --> 01:35:10.720 to LI we thought to ourselves how do we protect this neighborhood because we 01:35:10.720 --> 01:35:14.720 looked at is as if we did live in this neighborhood and and we know an LI 01:35:14.720 --> 01:35:20.000 zoning is a industrial use and ranch estates and some of the other residents 01:35:20.000 --> 01:35:24.320 have been there a while so that's why if you wonder how why we picked and what we 01:35:24.320 --> 01:35:30.080 did there that we were trying to figure out how in long-term future that that 01:35:30.080 --> 01:35:33.680 would protect a buffer forever and we came up with a few other ideas which 01:35:33.680 --> 01:35:38.920 I'll get to in a minute but ultimately it's 34 acres as a as a buffer but part 01:35:38.920 --> 01:35:42.560 of that six acres or so is going to end up being a city right away that we have 01:35:42.560 --> 01:35:47.440 to dedicate for future right away and then about 27 and a half acres will 01:35:47.440 --> 01:35:54.300 still be in 35 acres or 34 acres will be in our total but 27 of it will be 01:35:54.300 --> 01:36:00.840 left after so this is a concept plan this is what the future mobility plan 01:36:00.840 --> 01:36:05.080 shows if you notice on the bottom it shows a road connecting all the way to 01:36:05.080 --> 01:36:09.800 Windsor Drive all the way back through the future Luke 288 so we do have to 01:36:09.800 --> 01:36:13.640 dedicate that right away but what we tried to do we tried to say how do we 01:36:13.640 --> 01:36:18.520 limit access so that the northwest roads through the neighborhood can never 01:36:18.520 --> 01:36:24.280 connect so we had our original idea was to possibly provide a park land 01:36:24.280 --> 01:36:28.680 dedication there and debt and build that park and dedicate it but you know we 01:36:28.680 --> 01:36:31.960 have neighborhood meetings for a reason so as we met with the neighborhood there 01:36:31.960 --> 01:36:35.160 were some things that they had concerns about which I'll get to those comments 01:36:35.160 --> 01:36:40.680 in a minute as a park being there it would never allow any access through 01:36:40.680 --> 01:36:45.160 that I'm just kind of staging our train of thought and why we would do that it 01:36:45.160 --> 01:36:50.320 would control what could ever be built there nothing and it would never allow 01:36:50.320 --> 01:36:54.920 any connectivity so and it'd be maintained by the city long term but as 01:36:54.920 --> 01:36:59.360 we met with the city I agree with some of their concerns about those things 01:36:59.360 --> 01:37:04.080 which I'll get to in a minute if you notice our access future Luke 288 will 01:37:04.080 --> 01:37:10.280 be coming through on the north side I believe they're gonna start in 2026 with 01:37:10.280 --> 01:37:13.480 their land acquisition or construction I don't remember the exact dates on that 01:37:13.480 --> 01:37:18.440 but somewhere in that area and if you also notice we're going to connect to 01:37:18.440 --> 01:37:22.480 our only connect point and connectivity is coming down Mosh Branch there's not 01:37:22.480 --> 01:37:33.760 any connectivity into the neighborhood this is a concept plan that we just did 01:37:33.760 --> 01:37:37.880 if if that right of way isn't constructed through there so leaving 01:37:37.880 --> 01:37:42.880 Hampton Road just as it is now the ultimate connection is probably going to 01:37:42.880 --> 01:37:48.600 be different at at where it comes off of Mosh Branch into the subdivision that's 01:37:48.600 --> 01:37:53.840 probably going to end up at a little u-shape or an s-curve tying that in so 01:37:53.840 --> 01:37:56.280 it's probably going to be a little different that's going to be through the 01:37:56.280 --> 01:38:00.520 platting working through with engineering on how that connection 01:38:00.520 --> 01:38:04.640 point is made so that may change up a little bit just on how that connection 01:38:04.640 --> 01:38:09.040 point but it will not be along Hampton Road per our current plans this is a 01:38:09.040 --> 01:38:14.760 cross-section to show the open space that whether it is just open space or 01:38:14.760 --> 01:38:19.360 it's whether it's a park if you notice it comes across that's a current stand 01:38:19.360 --> 01:38:23.360 of trees between the neighborhood and our development and then after the 200 01:38:23.360 --> 01:38:26.800 feet which is actually closer to 300 feet once you have the right of way 01:38:26.800 --> 01:38:29.960 dedication so you have the right of way dedication and then 200 feet open space 01:38:29.960 --> 01:38:34.800 and then on the property side of that there's another 35 feet which is 01:38:34.800 --> 01:38:41.040 required from RR to LI so that's another reason we left that RR so that 01:38:41.040 --> 01:38:45.660 would buffer would be required and another reason a building facing the 01:38:45.660 --> 01:38:49.440 public space or RR that it can't be a back of a building it's got to be a 01:38:49.440 --> 01:38:54.340 front of a building so that was another reason we decided to leave that as an RR 01:38:54.340 --> 01:38:57.680 zoning so if you notice here this just is a little bit of a cross-section to 01:38:57.680 --> 01:39:03.440 show what that buffer could look like this is just an exhibit to show we are 01:39:03.440 --> 01:39:08.400 going to close in three gas wells we're going to leave the one it's kind of hard 01:39:08.400 --> 01:39:12.560 to read but the two to the far north and then the one to the southwest the the 01:39:12.560 --> 01:39:16.960 one to the southeast will be staying an existing gas well and we're relocate 01:39:16.960 --> 01:39:21.200 getting rid of all the flow lines and putting it in the one flow line going to 01:39:21.200 --> 01:39:27.480 the toward the west to connect in the Targa's line this is a final section of 01:39:27.480 --> 01:39:33.240 what will be required at the corner of 380 and Mosh Branch with the turn lanes 01:39:33.240 --> 01:39:38.520 there Mosh Branch will be worked out throughout as we get in the platting and 01:39:38.520 --> 01:39:43.720 there's a staging phase of the buildings it will be worked out to what parts of 01:39:43.720 --> 01:39:50.700 that are improved but the goal is the goal is to be not build what would be 01:39:50.700 --> 01:39:57.200 normally required of Hampton Road to be able to use those funds to Mosh Branch 01:39:57.200 --> 01:40:01.960 so whatever improvements need to be on Mosh Branch we can we can allocate those 01:40:01.960 --> 01:40:06.240 funds there's been preliminary meetings with the city engineering on that to be 01:40:06.240 --> 01:40:09.920 able to decide how we allocate that to improve that instead because there's 01:40:09.920 --> 01:40:13.760 really not a reason to improve Hampton Road today it doesn't benefit the 01:40:13.760 --> 01:40:17.440 neighborhood it doesn't benefit the development so any of those dollars we 01:40:17.440 --> 01:40:22.480 need to allocate over there and that's not been agreed on by the city that is 01:40:22.480 --> 01:40:26.640 that'll be worked through during platting but it's our intention and the 01:40:26.640 --> 01:40:31.480 meetings have been positive so far with the city on that but that still needs to 01:40:31.480 --> 01:40:35.080 can continue to work through on the stages of that with what right-of-way 01:40:35.080 --> 01:40:39.680 acquisitions are needed and other things there I didn't know if you guys had seen 01:40:39.680 --> 01:40:43.480 this but this is the future plan for the total loop 288 I just thought I would 01:40:43.480 --> 01:40:48.440 include it so for informational purposes so as we met they had our city meetings 01:40:48.440 --> 01:40:52.720 there was lots of topics about we just listed a few of them here the park area 01:40:52.720 --> 01:40:59.000 sorry the park area and as we talked through it I thought it was a really good 01:40:59.000 --> 01:41:02.440 idea in the beginning but then I understood some of the city's concerns I 01:41:02.440 --> 01:41:07.160 think it is the ultimate way to protect the neighborhood as far as the city 01:41:07.160 --> 01:41:11.120 controlling that but as I visited with them I understood some concerns about 01:41:11.120 --> 01:41:16.800 parking and homelessness and more traffic so we worked through that with 01:41:16.800 --> 01:41:21.960 them and came up with some other options there is a neighbor within the community 01:41:21.960 --> 01:41:25.800 that's willing to buy the parkland area and obviously we will come to an 01:41:25.800 --> 01:41:30.720 agreement on that and as long as we put a 25 year deed restriction on that that 01:41:30.720 --> 01:41:34.080 it can only be agriculture because I think the neighborhood likes the the 01:41:34.080 --> 01:41:38.600 country feel and I believe that buffer leaving an act could could still help 01:41:38.600 --> 01:41:41.840 with that and we're in agreement with that and one of the neighbors is in 01:41:41.840 --> 01:41:45.720 agreement with that as a matter of fact I met with him this morning if that 01:41:45.720 --> 01:41:49.880 doesn't work we'll happily hold that land and put a deed restriction on 01:41:49.880 --> 01:41:54.960 ourself because you know we're okay to dedicate that as a park put a deed 01:41:54.960 --> 01:41:59.700 restriction for 25 years or sell it with a deed restriction of 25 years so we're 01:41:59.700 --> 01:42:03.840 really trying to communicate look guys we care about this buffer we understand 01:42:03.840 --> 01:42:07.640 it's an industrial development but what can we do to protect the neighborhood as 01:42:07.640 --> 01:42:11.240 long as we can and still make the neighborhood happy and make make the 01:42:11.240 --> 01:42:17.560 city happy to be able to get our zoning done we talked about the park do I have 01:42:17.560 --> 01:42:24.760 any more time could I have yeah just I'll move quickly just I just wanted to 01:42:24.760 --> 01:42:27.680 list some neighborhood comments that we addressed and walked through which I 01:42:27.680 --> 01:42:31.280 think are important so we talked about the park at night and homelessness and 01:42:31.280 --> 01:42:34.600 some of those things so we gave some ordinances about what how the city can 01:42:34.600 --> 01:42:38.000 control that it doesn't look like that's the way we're going to end up so I won't 01:42:38.000 --> 01:42:42.600 waste our time too much on this talked about drainage that those things will be 01:42:42.600 --> 01:42:47.520 engineered at the platting fencing we talked about you know what type of 01:42:47.520 --> 01:42:50.520 fencing would be if there was a park how would we connect that we worked with 01:42:50.520 --> 01:42:53.760 some neighbors that if there was a park we would provide an extra fence but 01:42:53.760 --> 01:42:57.960 again that doesn't look like the consensus of the way we're going this is 01:42:57.960 --> 01:43:01.760 just another exhibit showing the parkland dedication and what the what the 01:43:01.760 --> 01:43:06.820 right-of-way would look like or if we just left it open space ultimately this 01:43:06.820 --> 01:43:11.480 would be mosh branch and this road would just be dedicated so all this would still 01:43:11.480 --> 01:43:18.240 be open space concerns along traffic along Hampton again I've kind of visited 01:43:18.240 --> 01:43:21.320 about that we've had preliminary means we're trying to get as much traffic as 01:43:21.320 --> 01:43:25.240 we can to mosh branch and to loop 280 are to lovers Lane in the future loop 01:43:25.240 --> 01:43:32.920 288 as as its comes in there's some things about when when was the 01:43:32.920 --> 01:43:36.320 neighborhood going to be informed about the roadway and that was part of the 01:43:36.320 --> 01:43:40.160 2040 plan we just had some discussion around that in our neighborhood meetings 01:43:40.160 --> 01:43:47.560 and the mobility plan we had some discussions with a few residents about 01:43:47.560 --> 01:43:50.680 what are the ultimate concerns the some of the biggest concerns are obviously 01:43:50.680 --> 01:43:56.560 traffic and I've discussed what we're doing that we've met with the 01:43:56.560 --> 01:43:59.080 neighborhood and also said we will advocate which we've got a letter 01:43:59.080 --> 01:44:03.760 prepared to send to the city to advocate to say okay can we get no truck signs on 01:44:03.760 --> 01:44:08.040 380 like Lakeview has on east of town when you go by that there's no truck 01:44:08.040 --> 01:44:13.420 signs going through Lake Lakeview can we get speed limit signs up leaving the RR 01:44:13.420 --> 01:44:20.660 portion so it can't come through and I can go through these if I can have just 01:44:20.660 --> 01:44:24.040 one more minute these are some comments that so there's some comments about 01:44:24.040 --> 01:44:28.000 light pollution and that's another reason we left it RR because that makes 01:44:28.000 --> 01:44:31.960 it will plot that lot separately so that makes the property line further away 01:44:31.960 --> 01:44:36.400 from the residents and by city ordinance the foot candle at the property line so 01:44:36.400 --> 01:44:39.980 if we plot that as a separate lot it pushes that foot candle further away 01:44:39.980 --> 01:44:44.600 from the residents so something we tried to work through and quoted some exterior 01:44:44.600 --> 01:44:49.240 lighting standards that says what we have to do at building permit noise 01:44:49.240 --> 01:44:55.280 pollution again that's why we put the buffer in there this is just a quick 01:44:55.280 --> 01:45:00.800 measurement to show how far we are away from residents and structures so here's 01:45:00.800 --> 01:45:04.840 the resident on this side this is over a quarter mile on this side as you come 01:45:04.840 --> 01:45:09.560 down to this road it's about with the right away and the buffers about 350 01:45:09.560 --> 01:45:14.480 feet we showed it from here to here to the edge of the parking lot about 302 01:45:14.480 --> 01:45:19.880 and then to the back of the first building I know I'm moving quickly and I've 01:45:19.880 --> 01:45:26.680 got more but we'll stop there if there's any questions commissioner Smith thank 01:45:26.680 --> 01:45:32.480 you chair mr. Rimsky go back two slides yes sir thank you just weird you're 01:45:32.480 --> 01:45:38.360 moving fast I just wanted to look at real quick okay can you go back to the 01:45:38.360 --> 01:45:42.560 slide that you had that had the gas wells on it 01:45:44.480 --> 01:45:58.960 I must have missed it I'm sorry couple forward you said there's one that's not 01:45:58.960 --> 01:46:02.240 gonna be covered to the southeast key point that out the mouse yeah this one 01:46:02.240 --> 01:46:07.520 is gonna stay in further Lee it was a producing well still at a high level so 01:46:07.520 --> 01:46:11.720 the oil and gas company wasn't willing to work with me on closing that one they 01:46:11.720 --> 01:46:15.480 were willing to work with me on closing these three well can you go and show 01:46:15.480 --> 01:46:19.360 that on the concept map again then where now that I saw that you're kind of 01:46:19.360 --> 01:46:22.840 flying through it earlier so go to your concept map so it's gonna be right there 01:46:22.840 --> 01:46:27.120 yeah so it's gonna actually be here so this is the buffer area that kind of 01:46:27.120 --> 01:46:31.320 comes up through here whether it's you know left open as acreage and this is 01:46:31.320 --> 01:46:36.440 where the car the pad site and the access will still come through here to 01:46:36.440 --> 01:46:41.800 access that well okay understood on the deed restricted sure structure you said 01:46:41.800 --> 01:46:47.240 that if the neighbor and you do not come to an agreement on the land and put a 01:46:47.240 --> 01:46:50.560 deed restriction on that you said your alternative you kind of move through 01:46:50.560 --> 01:46:53.360 that quickly so you said your alternative was gonna be you guys would 01:46:53.360 --> 01:46:56.880 keep the land and put the deed restrict on yourself to keep it agricultural yes 01:46:56.880 --> 01:47:00.680 five years we will we will do that now that the risk to the neighborhood is that 01:47:00.680 --> 01:47:04.760 if for some crazy reason you know I kicked the bucket I'll have to go to my 01:47:04.760 --> 01:47:07.760 trustees that will continue that deed restriction then they have to trust me 01:47:07.760 --> 01:47:13.840 that I'll keep it at that point right and so again our offices here in town 01:47:13.840 --> 01:47:20.440 and we do multiple developments in this town so we're gonna honor that and I 01:47:20.440 --> 01:47:25.160 understand that that's my word saying here we're gonna honor it but the only 01:47:25.160 --> 01:47:29.800 the first option I brought was to look at a park and because that would forever 01:47:29.800 --> 01:47:33.320 lock it in but I understand the neighborhood like that why they 01:47:33.320 --> 01:47:36.040 wouldn't want that right because of the things that could come with that so 01:47:36.040 --> 01:47:41.080 that's why we came up with this option to do this and so whether Austin Baker 01:47:41.080 --> 01:47:45.440 buys it and I'll hold the deed restriction or I keep it with my own 01:47:45.440 --> 01:47:50.120 deed restriction for 25 years either way possible Lisa can ask you a quick 01:47:50.120 --> 01:47:58.520 question two things one by not having Parkland dedication within there is 01:47:58.520 --> 01:48:01.640 there an impact fee that they have to pay instead by not including that or is 01:48:01.640 --> 01:48:05.660 that just something that with industrial developments there's no requirement for 01:48:05.660 --> 01:48:15.040 any Parkland or fee at all so this is just completely separate and then play 01:48:15.040 --> 01:48:19.560 it play a hypothetical game for me they put a deed restriction on it neighbor or 01:48:19.560 --> 01:48:22.720 somebody else buys it and has there for 25 years 25 years from now that deed 01:48:22.720 --> 01:48:27.760 restriction comes up what then it re it goes back to being free open land that's 01:48:27.760 --> 01:48:32.960 designated as RR that can be rezoned for whatever use the the individual owner 01:48:32.960 --> 01:48:36.000 can do with at that point in time whether it's in the zoning piece I mean 01:48:36.000 --> 01:48:40.560 what's the what's kind of the hypothetical 25 years from now right it 01:48:40.560 --> 01:48:46.200 could stay the same or zoning wise you know cities don't have authority to 01:48:46.200 --> 01:48:52.400 control deed restrictions so you know maybe it gets rezoned but that deed 01:48:52.400 --> 01:48:57.000 restriction would just still be in place where legally somebody can take care of 01:48:57.000 --> 01:49:00.960 that outside of the city and go to a district court and keep that deed 01:49:00.960 --> 01:49:05.840 restriction for the ag use in place so let's just pretend for easy number 20 01:49:05.840 --> 01:49:11.160 2047 this this this key restriction gets lifted it's not our agricultural 01:49:11.160 --> 01:49:14.120 somebody else comes forward and puts up a project they can rezone at that point 01:49:14.120 --> 01:49:19.360 in time probably to whatever yes that makes sense for our future land use that 01:49:19.360 --> 01:49:23.560 kind of thing okay all right got it if someone tries to sell that land but it 01:49:23.560 --> 01:49:28.220 has that 25-year deed restriction let's say that as Mr. Ramsey mentioned earlier 01:49:28.220 --> 01:49:31.880 he kicks the bucket his trustees take it over they don't they don't honor or look 01:49:31.880 --> 01:49:35.240 at it they just they sell it to somebody else even though the dedistrictions out 01:49:35.240 --> 01:49:38.160 there they ignore that piece they sell it to somebody else are you saying then 01:49:38.160 --> 01:49:40.660 that the city doesn't have any jurisdiction or doesn't see those deed 01:49:40.660 --> 01:49:44.320 restrictions so there's a possibility that zoning could happen there but 01:49:44.320 --> 01:49:47.360 there's some conflict there walk me through what you said there a second ago 01:49:47.360 --> 01:49:52.080 there is a little conflict between zoning and dedistrictions but the state 01:49:52.080 --> 01:49:56.280 law is that you cannot enforce deed restrictions and zoning that's why he 01:49:56.280 --> 01:50:01.680 said has deed restrictions and the rest of the city or the state has zoning so 01:50:01.680 --> 01:50:05.760 it's up to usually the individuals or the neighborhood to make sure that the 01:50:05.760 --> 01:50:11.080 deed restrictions are enforced okay so while this could come before PNZ and 01:50:11.080 --> 01:50:15.120 council at any time for a zoning change approved and everything else and nobody 01:50:15.120 --> 01:50:18.080 would know because the deed restriction has to be really enforced by either the 01:50:18.080 --> 01:50:22.760 individual or the other people who know about the deed restriction yes our 01:50:22.760 --> 01:50:26.800 audience would know okay all right just want to make it I want to make it clear 01:50:26.800 --> 01:50:33.520 yes thank you other questions for the applicant and I just want to remind 01:50:33.520 --> 01:50:38.200 everybody we're not really talking about that piece of land that's been cut out 01:50:38.200 --> 01:50:44.320 of this zoning request yeah so keep that at a high level anything that we decide 01:50:44.320 --> 01:50:48.520 tonight it has nothing to do with that land that is something that they still 01:50:48.520 --> 01:50:55.040 need to figure out so couple questions that I have while we see if anyone else 01:50:55.040 --> 01:51:03.480 has do you have a decision on that tract I mean do you have a plan for when 01:51:03.480 --> 01:51:07.520 you're making that decision and what you're doing so what our intention is 01:51:07.520 --> 01:51:11.560 is after if we were going to sign a contract with whoever is going to 01:51:11.560 --> 01:51:15.240 purchase it we would do it now but it would be contingent upon once we get our 01:51:15.240 --> 01:51:18.160 final plat approved and the only reason why that is is because we're gonna have 01:51:18.160 --> 01:51:22.160 to put some water line and sewer line easements and drainage easements through 01:51:22.160 --> 01:51:26.280 that tract and I would want to make sure all those were in place before that was 01:51:26.280 --> 01:51:31.520 transacted so that the plan would be as of my meeting this morning to obviously 01:51:31.520 --> 01:51:34.680 we want to leave it RR for the first level of protection would to be 01:51:34.680 --> 01:51:38.560 transacted to Austin Baker for our meeting this morning he has interest in 01:51:38.560 --> 01:51:45.120 that what is your time frame if you do get the zoning change approved what is 01:51:45.120 --> 01:51:49.180 your time frame for the development that you gave us this concept plan so it 01:51:49.180 --> 01:51:52.880 would be a phase development we have chosen Exeter to be the final developer 01:51:52.880 --> 01:51:57.480 of the project and Exeter is actually the guys building the million one or a 01:51:57.480 --> 01:52:01.280 million two square feet maybe right now in Western Boulevard and actually 01:52:01.280 --> 01:52:04.960 building the other half of Western Boulevard through development agreement 01:52:04.960 --> 01:52:09.560 and so the reason we picked those guys is because one well they also built the 01:52:09.560 --> 01:52:13.280 600,000 foot spec the biggest building I ever built and didn't that Lowe's went 01:52:13.280 --> 01:52:18.000 into I sold them the 104 acres they're developing on now so I have a 01:52:18.000 --> 01:52:21.080 relationship with these guys and they've done everything they said they would do 01:52:21.080 --> 01:52:27.480 with me and they are very a class a product very well funded so that's the 01:52:27.480 --> 01:52:31.080 reason I've chosen this group we have lots of people interested in this 01:52:31.080 --> 01:52:37.360 property after we purchased it but we chose them specifically we never put it 01:52:37.360 --> 01:52:41.000 on the market we we've worked hand-in-hand with them because they are 01:52:41.000 --> 01:52:44.880 responsible they understand the city processes they've done development 01:52:44.880 --> 01:52:49.520 agreements with the city to build roads so there's a reason I handpicked those 01:52:49.520 --> 01:52:59.520 guys to be the end developer yes so they will start platting immediately I'm sorry 01:52:59.520 --> 01:53:02.960 I didn't get to your question start plotting immediately and then it will be 01:53:02.960 --> 01:53:07.080 a phased project they would build building one or building two at the 01:53:07.080 --> 01:53:11.040 beginning and then as they lease up they would continue the project so it'd be 01:53:11.040 --> 01:53:16.440 started in the near future probably 12 months by the 8 to 12 months that helps 01:53:16.440 --> 01:53:22.800 with the start so I'll ask you what I brought up at the work session which was 01:53:22.800 --> 01:53:25.600 when you're talking about all the neighborhood protections that you want 01:53:25.600 --> 01:53:30.080 to have in place and you mentioned that countless time in your presentation why 01:53:30.080 --> 01:53:35.600 did you not go down a PD route with this request when we could actually could be 01:53:35.600 --> 01:53:41.200 discussing all of those protections and actually have them codified with what we 01:53:41.200 --> 01:53:45.880 would be voting on today because everything that you mentioned and 01:53:45.880 --> 01:53:50.360 everything we're really talking about is just conceptual at this point there's 01:53:50.360 --> 01:53:56.360 nothing that would tie anything to the zoning change if we approve it to Li and 01:53:56.360 --> 01:54:03.280 ultimately City Council does but so question sure so most of what we needed 01:54:03.280 --> 01:54:09.520 we was within the Li zoning and really the PD is for extenuating circumstances 01:54:09.520 --> 01:54:14.000 like if a site has certain things that you can't meet the code or you're trying 01:54:14.000 --> 01:54:19.040 to do more density and then give extra green space in this project we knew we 01:54:19.040 --> 01:54:21.960 were given that much green space and then throughout the project with the 01:54:21.960 --> 01:54:26.480 floodplain areas and that was gonna sit you can't count it as green space but 01:54:26.480 --> 01:54:31.560 it's still open space so we really didn't see a reason for the city didn't 01:54:31.560 --> 01:54:34.760 code that we needed to because most of our uses were in line we were meeting 01:54:34.760 --> 01:54:39.080 our green space requirements we were giving more open space than what the 01:54:39.080 --> 01:54:43.280 code allowed so we really didn't see and it's always supposed to be really used 01:54:43.280 --> 01:54:47.440 for special circumstances and it would be hard for me to say yeah we need a PD 01:54:47.440 --> 01:54:52.060 for these special circumstances and I don't have a lot of those things so 01:54:52.060 --> 01:54:55.680 that's the reason we went with straight allies only well to me I think you do 01:54:55.680 --> 01:54:59.760 have some special circumstances here you've got a as you know I mean how 01:54:59.760 --> 01:55:03.680 special that community is and has been here and is well established you've got 01:55:03.680 --> 01:55:07.600 special circumstances of roads being highly inadequate for the kinds of 01:55:07.600 --> 01:55:12.960 trucks that you are going to be bringing into that site that we could you know 01:55:12.960 --> 01:55:18.000 you talked about you know allocating money and only improving you know I mean 01:55:18.000 --> 01:55:23.680 all of that the signs I mean all of that could have been done within a PD I mean 01:55:23.680 --> 01:55:27.620 those are the special circumstances that I think do exist so well we can just 01:55:27.620 --> 01:55:31.680 agree to disagree on that but thank you for answering the question any other 01:55:31.680 --> 01:55:38.400 questions right now for the applicant okay thank you very much we may call 01:55:38.400 --> 01:55:45.280 you up again thank you evening goes I do have some cards people wishing to speak 01:55:45.280 --> 01:55:51.000 so a Rebecca height is the first one I have if you'll come to the podium and 01:55:51.000 --> 01:55:55.200 set your name and address you will have your time will begin you'll have four 01:55:55.200 --> 01:55:57.440 minutes 01:55:57.440 --> 01:56:05.560 thank you for hearing me I appreciate it I'm Rebecca height I'm at 3800 Hampton 01:56:05.560 --> 01:56:12.560 Road so we are on the corner where you see the corner on the what is that on 01:56:12.560 --> 01:56:16.360 the west side or east side there the corner on the east side there's a house 01:56:16.360 --> 01:56:21.720 there and then we're right beside that our property line is at that corner part 01:56:21.720 --> 01:56:27.680 that meets so first of all of course we don't want the industrial park we don't 01:56:27.680 --> 01:56:34.520 want to see that through our backyard we also had concerns about the traffic the 01:56:34.520 --> 01:56:38.040 trucks that are driving through there we also have concerns about traffic 01:56:38.040 --> 01:56:42.600 driving through our residential area currently it's a very safe locked-in 01:56:42.600 --> 01:56:48.480 residential area where people walk and enjoy kids walk their dogs elderly walk 01:56:48.480 --> 01:56:53.960 their dogs it's just a nice safe community so we do have concerns about 01:56:53.960 --> 01:56:58.080 traffic and it has been discussed with signage and so forth so I'm not sure 01:56:58.080 --> 01:57:05.040 where we'll end up with that but we would really not we would really prefer 01:57:05.040 --> 01:57:09.280 it not to go to IL we really would if that's at all an option if we could keep 01:57:09.280 --> 01:57:14.000 it residential we had actually spoken about having it being residential at one 01:57:14.000 --> 01:57:18.600 point with an overlay for two acre lots or five acre five acre lots I don't 01:57:18.600 --> 01:57:22.200 think that ever was approved but that was something that we had discussed at 01:57:22.200 --> 01:57:27.800 one point in our community meetings we also understand that it is most of that 01:57:27.800 --> 01:57:32.160 is industrial but we would really appreciate your consideration because 01:57:32.160 --> 01:57:37.000 this is going right in our backyards and and some people they're going to be 01:57:37.000 --> 01:57:42.880 looking at it directly straight on so thank you for your time 01:57:42.880 --> 01:57:57.480 state your name and address and your time will begin hi hi I'm Anne Smith I 01:57:57.480 --> 01:58:05.360 live at 2013 Cindy Lane and thank you for being here and taking your time we 01:58:05.360 --> 01:58:10.480 appreciate your work that you do for the city of Denton Denton is characterized 01:58:10.480 --> 01:58:16.000 by exceptional livability the diversity of choices available to all people in 01:58:16.000 --> 01:58:20.320 employment lifestyle neighborhood settings and our North Texas values and 01:58:20.320 --> 01:58:26.120 cultures to find what didn't is and what we have to offer we have four strategic 01:58:26.120 --> 01:58:32.280 directions the character of Denton our people our institutions our government 01:58:32.280 --> 01:58:39.120 the strength of our economy sound growth our form and function Denton is a city 01:58:39.120 --> 01:58:44.480 built on character and the preservation of that character creating new 01:58:44.480 --> 01:58:49.320 complementary development is central to the committee's goals as it moves 01:58:49.320 --> 01:58:54.960 forward Denton is consciously green we are a leader in our commitment to 01:58:54.960 --> 01:59:01.500 sustainability and we have a significant urban tree canopy we also have seven 01:59:01.500 --> 01:59:06.600 hundred and fifty three thousand dollars 100 in the tree mitigation fund which we 01:59:06.600 --> 01:59:10.680 do hope that that fund is used for replacement of trees when development 01:59:10.680 --> 01:59:16.520 comes in and takes trees out the above statements were found in the Denton 2040 01:59:16.520 --> 01:59:22.120 comprehensive plan when you find a bird's nest in a tree or you find a 01:59:22.120 --> 01:59:26.280 little rabbit's nest under a bush and somebody wants to come and cut the tree 01:59:26.280 --> 01:59:31.800 down or cut the bush down or move the bush or whatever somebody could justify 01:59:31.800 --> 01:59:36.920 it by saying well the bird or the rabbit will find another place to live an 01:59:36.920 --> 01:59:44.920 industrial complex or a multifamily rural or residential complex developer 01:59:44.920 --> 01:59:50.680 can see land that they want they have a vision what is next to the land is 01:59:50.680 --> 01:59:55.440 secondary in that vision just like the birds and the rabbits because the 01:59:55.440 --> 01:59:59.880 developers have a desire to create something on the land they may not have 01:59:59.880 --> 02:00:06.560 a desire to respect their soon-to-be neighbors ranch estates is not new we're 02:00:06.560 --> 02:00:13.200 old our covenants were recorded with this Denton County in 1963 that was 59 02:00:13.200 --> 02:00:19.240 years ago you are the gatekeepers you look at each organization that comes in 02:00:19.240 --> 02:00:24.880 here and to Denton that wants to build something move something or replace 02:00:24.880 --> 02:00:30.680 something it is you the board who does not wear a political color of red or 02:00:30.680 --> 02:00:36.400 blue or does not see you with a biased eye it is the board who should have the 02:00:36.400 --> 02:00:42.120 backs of each and every citizen of Denton the current organizational chart 02:00:42.120 --> 02:00:48.480 updated October 27th 2021 says that the board commissioners and committees are 02:00:48.480 --> 02:00:55.080 on the same line as a city auditor both are under the City Council and the City 02:00:55.080 --> 02:01:00.340 Council is underneath the citizens of Denton we have a hundred and fifty one 02:01:00.340 --> 02:01:06.160 thousand two hundred and nineteen souls in Denton we need strong leaders with 02:01:06.160 --> 02:01:12.560 strong vision who will identify the quality of life for their citizens to 02:01:12.560 --> 02:01:17.760 have a meaningful vision for all of us here if you're from Ranch Estates would 02:01:17.760 --> 02:01:24.800 you hold up your hand please we have 60 households in Ranch Estates I was able 02:01:24.800 --> 02:01:34.880 to contact 50 households of the 50 all 50 but one wants the if this zoning is 02:01:34.880 --> 02:01:42.480 goes to light industrial and if that park strip the 34 acres is available to 02:01:42.480 --> 02:01:50.520 be purchased and to stay our are that's what we wish everybody wanted the 50 49 02:01:50.520 --> 02:01:58.240 wanted that option I do think that the city that Ranch Estates feels that we 02:01:58.240 --> 02:02:06.000 would like the section of land to stay our are because it is beautiful rural 02:02:06.000 --> 02:02:16.440 residential land thank you thank you Smith the next card I have is Julie 02:02:16.440 --> 02:02:27.540 Kleinkopf you'll say your name and address your time will begin Julie 02:02:27.540 --> 02:02:32.400 Kleinkopf and I'm from Ranch Estates too and I didn't prepare anything I just 02:02:32.400 --> 02:02:37.400 wanted to show up and say that everyone in our neighborhood that I've spoken to 02:02:37.400 --> 02:02:43.400 does not want it to turn to light residential until it absolutely has to 02:02:43.400 --> 02:02:47.480 so according to the plan that would be 2040 for Denton's vision and if we could 02:02:47.480 --> 02:02:51.000 come up with something else at that point that would be what I would vote 02:02:51.000 --> 02:02:57.320 for and we just love all the green and I think and did a really good job of you 02:02:57.320 --> 02:03:03.800 know explaining that some things just need to stay country and maybe large 02:03:03.800 --> 02:03:07.680 lots or something else would be preferable for my husband and I so 02:03:07.680 --> 02:03:11.920 that's all I wanted to say thank you 02:03:11.920 --> 02:03:19.520 next card I have is Jim and Jim I am sorry I do not know how to say your last 02:03:19.520 --> 02:03:37.120 name Poi raw if you'll say it for me I apologize the parole sounds like a cross 02:03:37.120 --> 02:03:44.920 but I'd like to join those saying thank you for being on the planning and zoning 02:03:44.920 --> 02:03:52.960 we understand how much time it takes to do your job Peggy and I have lived on 02:03:52.960 --> 02:04:02.460 Hampton Road for 46 years we came a long time ago and it is a delightful 02:04:02.460 --> 02:04:09.440 community if you come out and take a look there's chances are you'll see 02:04:09.440 --> 02:04:17.920 people riding horses and they'll have donkeys and goats and whatever they love 02:04:17.920 --> 02:04:26.280 animals and so when we heard of the change in zoning the first reaction was 02:04:26.280 --> 02:04:32.120 how is that going to affect us and I'd like to compliment the developers 02:04:32.120 --> 02:04:38.720 because as we read through what the developers were proposing it was clear 02:04:38.720 --> 02:04:47.960 that they were looking at the residents and trying to do a job that would 02:04:47.960 --> 02:04:53.560 satisfy us we know that that land sometime is going to be developed is 02:04:53.560 --> 02:05:00.480 what going to be right in the middle of Denton before too long and so our 02:05:00.480 --> 02:05:08.240 assumptions were it's going to change and then the other is how do we support a 02:05:08.240 --> 02:05:13.640 change that's going to live leave our community alone and I I think the idea 02:05:13.640 --> 02:05:22.560 of the park originally had all of us not excited but certainly pleased and now 02:05:22.560 --> 02:05:30.840 that there's the possibility that a resident will buy that and keep it as 02:05:30.840 --> 02:05:38.580 as ranch and I don't know if it was clear but this individual is going to 02:05:38.580 --> 02:05:44.560 sign that he or his family would not sell that land for another change the 02:05:44.560 --> 02:05:51.920 zoning in the land for 25 years and I don't imagine I'll be around to see if 02:05:51.920 --> 02:05:57.320 what happens at the end of that 25 years but that was a significant commitment 02:05:57.320 --> 02:06:05.000 that the buyer made so thank you for everything you're doing we support the 02:06:05.000 --> 02:06:11.520 development and we thank you again 02:06:11.520 --> 02:06:18.520 I don't have any other cards wishing to speak but this is a public hearing you 02:06:18.520 --> 02:06:29.960 certainly can come down to the podium hello then thank you very much 02:06:29.960 --> 02:06:37.640 I'm Gary Hellman live at 3900 Lariat Road and I guess really as this goes on 02:06:37.640 --> 02:06:41.920 there's more and more questions as I heard you talking to the gentleman from 02:06:41.920 --> 02:06:48.640 we're in about what needs to be planned as a visit with neighbors and I emailed 02:06:48.640 --> 02:06:53.000 and and I don't know whether any of the copied people read it we got to talking 02:06:53.000 --> 02:06:57.880 about employees there how many employees are going to be in this area and how 02:06:57.880 --> 02:07:01.400 many personal vehicles because we've been talking about trucks trucks trucks 02:07:01.400 --> 02:07:05.280 but how many personal vehicles will be going in and out of there that was one 02:07:05.280 --> 02:07:11.060 of the questions and and I think they tried to answer when loop 288 would be 02:07:11.060 --> 02:07:17.120 finished because that could really relieve a lot of pressure to the area so 02:07:17.120 --> 02:07:22.880 as this goes on it seems more and more thoughts given to other things besides 02:07:22.880 --> 02:07:28.600 trucks in the warehouse I saw some emails and I guess we're beginning to 02:07:28.600 --> 02:07:34.760 accept the fact that of everything that could be put in there even if it was 02:07:34.760 --> 02:07:40.960 houses us even close to the acreage that we have that the traffic is going to be 02:07:40.960 --> 02:07:48.720 more and this is probably the lesser of all the evils that could go in there 02:07:48.720 --> 02:07:56.680 because industrial would you know heavy industrial manufacturing that wouldn't 02:07:56.680 --> 02:08:04.880 be a great thing my grandparents old home and in Taylor's got Samsung moving 02:08:04.880 --> 02:08:10.320 in two miles from them that's it's just what could happen is going to happen 02:08:10.320 --> 02:08:16.800 because it's property the Bakers have the right to do what they shall with it 02:08:16.800 --> 02:08:27.200 but it just it just bothers me that the fact that there's still questions popping 02:08:27.200 --> 02:08:36.720 up that seem to address things like the egress to the property still need to be 02:08:36.720 --> 02:08:42.200 answered I'm not really for it but what can you 02:08:42.200 --> 02:08:49.920 do the I have to agree with questions I think the P&Z has brought up that there 02:08:49.920 --> 02:08:58.560 needs to be more questions answered thank you for your time is there anyone 02:08:58.560 --> 02:09:04.080 else wishing to speak on this item did you already speak you did not yet okay 02:09:04.080 --> 02:09:14.600 sure come on it please no you're fine thank you and my name is 02:09:14.600 --> 02:09:20.800 Toby carconia I'm at four one one five Hampton Road which is the furthest West 02:09:20.800 --> 02:09:26.400 house on one on Hampton so I will be three hundred and two feet away from the 02:09:26.400 --> 02:09:32.800 back or the front of the first building for 20 years I've woken up and been able 02:09:32.800 --> 02:09:38.800 to look at my specifically large window in my dining room and and to see the 02:09:38.800 --> 02:09:44.640 trees and the cows and the donkeys that somebody mentioned and so I really don't 02:09:44.640 --> 02:09:50.800 want that to end I don't want that to go away so I very much appreciate the fact 02:09:50.800 --> 02:09:56.280 that the park was proposed and now the Baker's potentially taking over that to 02:09:56.280 --> 02:10:02.960 preserve what I see every day I would just ask and I don't even know if this 02:10:02.960 --> 02:10:08.120 is the right forum but I wanted it to be heard that something's gonna happen just 02:10:08.120 --> 02:10:13.080 like the gentleman said we know it's gonna happen if we can protect as much 02:10:13.080 --> 02:10:19.840 as what we deal with every day meaning we want to see the agriculture we don't 02:10:19.840 --> 02:10:26.480 want excessive traffic on our road our kids play out there our horses walk on 02:10:26.480 --> 02:10:35.440 the streets we ride our golf carts and if we could protect that that's that's 02:10:35.440 --> 02:10:39.720 certainly the goal I was one of the ones that met with Lee and Lee thank you for 02:10:39.720 --> 02:10:45.280 allowing that I had asked him if we could if we could potentially move 02:10:45.280 --> 02:10:51.160 building one and then the subsequent buildings back even just a little bit so 02:10:51.160 --> 02:10:55.800 I would like that to be considered it gets a little bit further away from us 02:10:55.800 --> 02:11:03.720 maybe a higher wall before the property starts would even or a thicker wall would 02:11:03.720 --> 02:11:11.320 would even be better the last thing I will ask for is and and Rancher States 02:11:11.320 --> 02:11:17.240 has come up against this battle a lot with the traffic and what he just said 02:11:17.240 --> 02:11:23.480 was you know if if this light industrial becomes leased warehouses with employees 02:11:23.480 --> 02:11:27.880 just like it is on Western you're going to have you're gonna have employee 02:11:27.880 --> 02:11:32.520 traffic and those employees will find that way through Rancher States there's 02:11:32.520 --> 02:11:35.440 no doubt that's what happened when there's a wreck on 380 they come through 02:11:35.440 --> 02:11:38.200 Rancher States we can always we can always tell when there's a wreck out 02:11:38.200 --> 02:11:44.840 there so I would like to ask for some type of formal protection for the Ranch 02:11:44.840 --> 02:11:52.480 of States entrances on on Marsh Branch and on Cindy and on Marshall to keep the 02:11:52.480 --> 02:11:57.880 north the you know the outside public out and and protect our streets and the 02:11:57.880 --> 02:12:16.560 safety of our streets thank you else wishing to speak hi thank you 02:12:16.560 --> 02:12:23.760 hi thank you guys also for listening to all of us tonight appreciate your 02:12:23.760 --> 02:12:29.280 service my name is Charles C. Wildman my husband Keith Wildman and we live at 02:12:29.280 --> 02:12:35.400 3818 Lariat Road in Ranch of States and I would just like to say that you know I 02:12:35.400 --> 02:12:41.280 agree with what's been spoken that I would prefer to see this day our are as 02:12:41.280 --> 02:12:48.920 long as we can and then if that cannot you know to you know push back what's 02:12:48.920 --> 02:12:52.880 been asked like the building one to give more of a buffer and what we have in 02:12:52.880 --> 02:12:59.040 Ranch of States again has been there for a long time we enjoy just the space of 02:12:59.040 --> 02:13:05.440 and the camaraderie in the neighborhood but also the space and having you know 02:13:05.440 --> 02:13:10.600 the freedom to be outside move around not worry about the traffic and all of 02:13:10.600 --> 02:13:17.480 that and but it just seems like having an industrial just right outside of us 02:13:17.480 --> 02:13:24.720 is in great contrast to a neighborhood setting like that and just real quickly 02:13:24.720 --> 02:13:31.600 of course I'm against it as well we are an established neighborhood I work from 02:13:31.600 --> 02:13:36.400 home that's why I'm dressed like I am sorry about that but yeah you know I 02:13:36.400 --> 02:13:41.600 work from home I see most of my neighbors pets come by my window every 02:13:41.600 --> 02:13:47.400 day I look out I have two windows that I can look out one on to Lariat one on to 02:13:47.400 --> 02:13:53.240 Cindy and so I can see traffic which is never there which is great because our 02:13:53.240 --> 02:13:59.040 streets are not that good the city did come through and put another layer on 02:13:59.040 --> 02:14:03.600 top of what was there but those are cracking and giving way so absolutely no 02:14:03.600 --> 02:14:08.400 heavy trucks should be on our streets cutting through the neighborhood so I 02:14:08.400 --> 02:14:13.800 think everyone else has spoken to the points I would have brought up we love 02:14:13.800 --> 02:14:19.920 it we've been there for about what 15 years we bought it to raise our children 02:14:19.920 --> 02:14:24.680 which we've done and just to be able to enjoy it in retirement so I'm really 02:14:24.680 --> 02:14:33.720 hoping that we can keep it the way it is thank you anyone else wishing to speak 02:14:41.120 --> 02:14:47.040 hello my name is Jessica far I'm one of the owners of 1990 North Lariat Drive 02:14:47.040 --> 02:14:51.000 I'm not gonna be saying anything really different than everybody else is saying 02:14:51.000 --> 02:14:54.800 here but this is an important issue and I wanted as many people to speak on as 02:14:54.800 --> 02:15:00.100 possible but you know I second a lot of what a lot of the people up here have 02:15:00.100 --> 02:15:04.760 said tonight I think if everybody could keep it the same we all would we like 02:15:04.760 --> 02:15:08.680 kind of the way the neighborhood is as it stands but I did want to recognize 02:15:08.680 --> 02:15:12.200 the work that the developers have done here they've really tried to hear all of 02:15:12.200 --> 02:15:17.760 us and recognize you know our points of view I second that I think Austin Baker 02:15:17.760 --> 02:15:21.920 should buy the tract protecting the neighborhood from any kind of bill that 02:15:21.920 --> 02:15:27.600 goes there as far as light industrial is concerned what I love it if it wasn't 02:15:27.600 --> 02:15:31.880 absolutely but I would absolutely prefer light industrial to multifamily homes 02:15:31.880 --> 02:15:36.400 and kind of local people kind of living in that space so I support the plan as 02:15:36.400 --> 02:15:40.040 is but do you think that there should be protections in place as far as heavy 02:15:40.040 --> 02:15:45.480 trucks and as much as those buildings could be covered or the developers could 02:15:45.480 --> 02:15:48.600 work with us to kind of conceal and make sure that you know the neighborhood sees 02:15:48.600 --> 02:15:53.200 you know as beautiful of a spot as they could I hope that that's what we see in 02:15:53.200 --> 02:15:57.840 the future but I do support this so thank you thank you 02:15:57.840 --> 02:16:01.920 anyone else wishing to speak 02:16:06.440 --> 02:16:09.440 thank you 02:16:09.440 --> 02:16:15.400 I'm Julie's roll on I live on 1912 lariat with my husband and three boys 02:16:15.400 --> 02:16:19.720 we're newer to the neighborhood but we move there specifically because my 02:16:19.720 --> 02:16:25.960 husband's prior military PTSD the works we wanted somewhere that he would feel 02:16:25.960 --> 02:16:29.440 at peace we saw that house fell in love with the house fell in love with the 02:16:29.440 --> 02:16:34.440 neighborhood and to have this there is going to ruin that quite a bit 02:16:34.440 --> 02:16:39.200 especially having all that traffic coming through I'm against it if that 02:16:39.200 --> 02:16:43.240 building one could at least be put back more trees anything to preserve the 02:16:43.240 --> 02:16:49.320 greenery and the piece that we currently have I would prefer that I don't think 02:16:49.320 --> 02:16:52.440 you're gonna find property like that anywhere in Denton we've looked and 02:16:52.440 --> 02:16:56.440 looked and looked and this one kind of God placed it in our path and it worked 02:16:56.440 --> 02:17:02.200 out and I'm with everybody else in the community we oppose it it's probably 02:17:02.200 --> 02:17:05.240 gonna happen but at least push that building back and put some trees and try 02:17:05.240 --> 02:17:10.920 to preserve it just a little bit would be great thank you thank you 02:17:10.920 --> 02:17:20.240 anyone else wishing to speak I do have two people who did fill out cards not 02:17:20.240 --> 02:17:30.720 wishing to speak but both in opposition that we will put into the record anyone 02:17:30.720 --> 02:17:36.840 else wishing to speak okay seeing none and I don't have anyone on the phone I'm 02:17:36.840 --> 02:17:41.880 gonna go ahead and close the public hearing and open the floor for a motion 02:17:41.880 --> 02:17:49.720 or discussion commissioner Anderson thank you chair mr. Ramsey can I ask a 02:17:49.720 --> 02:17:53.640 question I mean you might come back down for a second 02:17:57.280 --> 02:18:02.640 hearing all the people speak I mean you get the hint that there's mostly 02:18:02.640 --> 02:18:06.920 opposition against this but they are willing to compromise it sounds like a 02:18:06.920 --> 02:18:11.920 little bit if but would you guys be willing to move buildings back a little 02:18:11.920 --> 02:18:16.400 bit to add more green more trees there to help protect the environment that 02:18:16.400 --> 02:18:19.920 they currently have that they do see is that something that y'all would be 02:18:19.920 --> 02:18:23.560 willing to entertain yeah we would have there we feel like we've done that 02:18:23.560 --> 02:18:28.360 because if you look at what we're ever we're giving up 14.4 percent of our 02:18:28.360 --> 02:18:33.560 entire site already and then on the backs because if you total up all the 02:18:33.560 --> 02:18:40.040 land that we're either dedicating to selling to open space or which or 02:18:40.040 --> 02:18:45.160 dedicating the park whatever whatever happens there it's about 14.4 percent of 02:18:45.160 --> 02:18:51.560 our site so you know are we talking in 10 feet 50 feet you know we also have a 02:18:51.560 --> 02:18:57.440 landscape berm of 35 feet on the inside of our property after the park or after 02:18:57.440 --> 02:19:03.800 the open space it's got a berm and a and a fence let me see here if I can find 02:19:03.800 --> 02:19:09.480 that right there so if you notice notice on that the the open space would end 02:19:09.480 --> 02:19:14.280 here it would have a berm and then a masonry wall and on top of that berm 02:19:14.280 --> 02:19:18.320 that's approximately three feet tall it's going to have a landscaping and a 02:19:18.320 --> 02:19:22.900 buffer big and that's again that's one reason we left this is rr because it 02:19:22.900 --> 02:19:28.480 would force a buffer between rr and the Li so we feel like we've really tried 02:19:28.480 --> 02:19:33.680 that but I mean you know every you know every square foot we give up to that 02:19:33.680 --> 02:19:36.680 development we feel like we've tried very hard to do what I mean what is that 02:19:36.680 --> 02:19:40.840 are we talking 100 feet 200 feet 10 feet you know I don't I don't really know 02:19:40.840 --> 02:19:44.000 what that looks like I think showing the slide again may help a little bit 02:19:44.000 --> 02:19:46.160 because you know going through it a minute ago it's kind of you know we're 02:19:46.160 --> 02:19:49.960 running out of time you're speaking a little bit but also if you put the road 02:19:49.960 --> 02:19:54.520 there to widen Hampton right that's because on one of the sides isn't that 02:19:54.520 --> 02:19:59.480 where you're gonna put the road part of this right there on the side of the 02:19:59.480 --> 02:20:03.040 south side of the building one on the south side of building what there you 02:20:03.040 --> 02:20:06.280 have next slide that one right there that's going to take up some of the 02:20:06.280 --> 02:20:10.240 greenery right that if you know that road that's the southern road so that 02:20:10.240 --> 02:20:14.920 park actually stopped so what we did we tried to run it as we passed this house 02:20:14.920 --> 02:20:20.320 if you notice right here all to the edge of this gas well pad we tried to bring 02:20:20.320 --> 02:20:24.580 that buffer as far as we could down this way this is probably more like what the 02:20:24.580 --> 02:20:29.800 entrance is going to end up looking like going in without these sections here and 02:20:29.800 --> 02:20:36.440 then tying back in to moss branch here but so this won't be here this will 02:20:36.440 --> 02:20:40.920 actually be open space this is kind of dead spot to our development so what 02:20:40.920 --> 02:20:44.520 we're talking about you know we're giving up this land but then also this 02:20:44.520 --> 02:20:48.400 is not going to be developed either it's just not dedicated because it's kind of 02:20:48.400 --> 02:20:52.920 a dead spot so that's actually going to end up being a buffer because we've got 02:20:52.920 --> 02:20:58.120 to give this piece to the city for right away so I didn't even allocate that in 02:20:58.120 --> 02:21:03.160 my buffer numbers because it's just kind of dead right it's not really big enough 02:21:03.160 --> 02:21:09.000 to put any buildings on because once that road comes through so it's still 02:21:09.000 --> 02:21:12.920 going to be zoned but in all reality it's going to be hard to build to build 02:21:12.920 --> 02:21:18.020 something there okay and my last question I think is you think mr. 02:21:18.020 --> 02:21:22.360 Baker is open to purchasing that property back to keep it that way yeah 02:21:22.360 --> 02:21:26.960 I met with him this morning actually and you know I explained to him about the 02:21:26.960 --> 02:21:30.560 easements that needed to be on it and we would go ahead and get a contract in 02:21:30.560 --> 02:21:34.480 place now but it wouldn't close until the plat was approved just to make sure 02:21:34.480 --> 02:21:38.800 that we had all the easements that we need for the platting piece of it and 02:21:38.800 --> 02:21:43.840 yeah we he was agreeable this morning exactly because I think that's another 02:21:43.840 --> 02:21:47.520 concern of theirs is eventually after that's over somebody comes in buys it 02:21:47.520 --> 02:21:51.440 tries to develop something else on it okay I appreciate it thank you very much 02:21:51.440 --> 02:21:55.120 thank you and Commissioner Anderson I just want to remind you I mean what 02:21:55.120 --> 02:22:01.800 we're voting on today is simply zoning this parcel not that little corner but 02:22:01.800 --> 02:22:07.920 to ally which opens to anything that that that allows and it has nothing to 02:22:07.920 --> 02:22:11.780 do with this concept plan there's nothing that that he could promise 02:22:11.780 --> 02:22:15.920 everything to you and in your question right there it does not gonna I mean 02:22:15.920 --> 02:22:19.400 there's there's no teeth in that so that's not at all what we're voting on 02:22:19.400 --> 02:22:24.120 the cut it's just a concept plan it's what they want to do if given the zoning 02:22:24.120 --> 02:22:28.160 change but there's nothing that we're doing tonight that has anything to do 02:22:28.160 --> 02:22:34.640 with moving around the concept plan that what we're voting on tonight so just 02:22:34.640 --> 02:22:40.960 wanted to clarify that with you Commissioner Smith thank you chair I like 02:22:40.960 --> 02:22:47.140 the project I think the projects good the I think it makes sense for that that 02:22:47.140 --> 02:22:53.400 area just with the expansion of 288 coming in at some point but I did have a 02:22:53.400 --> 02:22:58.360 couple questions Lisa on specifically going back to the PD and I was asking 02:22:58.360 --> 02:23:02.160 questions after the applicants have a presentation primarily about those deed 02:23:02.160 --> 02:23:05.640 restrictions because the way I understand it legally from my experiences 02:23:05.640 --> 02:23:08.720 that those deed restrictions and when it comes to zoning as you expressed 02:23:08.720 --> 02:23:14.400 publicly they're pretty flimsy and so walk me through the differences if this 02:23:14.400 --> 02:23:21.200 was a PD instead of being an ally zoning case with a possible buyer deed 02:23:21.200 --> 02:23:25.600 restriction so on and so forth all things that this governing body council 02:23:25.600 --> 02:23:30.960 have no impact on whatsoever we do have impacts control PD and going forward in 02:23:30.960 --> 02:23:35.360 the future I think within my understanding that the PD could protect 02:23:35.360 --> 02:23:39.280 some of those things and that let that be governed and seen from our level the 02:23:39.280 --> 02:23:44.960 local level so walk me through that okay so since this is a straight zoning case 02:23:44.960 --> 02:23:51.360 and it does not include that piece of property that could be the AG slash Park 02:23:51.360 --> 02:23:58.600 sounds like AG property we've had that same boundaries and the straight 02:23:58.600 --> 02:24:01.160 zoning it meets that that's why they went with it and did not know with the 02:24:01.160 --> 02:24:04.960 PD because there's nothing to deviate from because they can meet the code with 02:24:04.960 --> 02:24:11.280 that it with the if they included that lower piece that's that AG area then 02:24:11.280 --> 02:24:16.560 they can include that in a PD and make it where you all can require that that 02:24:16.560 --> 02:24:22.600 is a park AG whatever you want it to be and that's documented and it has to be 02:24:22.600 --> 02:24:27.280 like that until somebody if anybody ever comes back to amend the PD they'd have 02:24:27.280 --> 02:24:32.360 to come back before you so pushing back a building has some of them have 02:24:32.360 --> 02:24:36.520 requested you could do that in a PD and say yes this building has to be pushed 02:24:36.520 --> 02:24:41.160 back this many more feet as part of straight zoning because yes this concept 02:24:41.160 --> 02:24:45.240 plan is just a concept it's not an actual plan then that was a second part of my 02:24:45.240 --> 02:24:48.280 conversation on that was gonna be about the site plan that comes along with the 02:24:48.280 --> 02:24:51.920 PD but let me ask you one question you can finish your statement so on the 02:24:51.920 --> 02:24:56.760 let's say goes through it we were to table this see if applicants willing to 02:24:56.760 --> 02:25:00.840 even look at a PD whatever I'm making hypotheticals here but on the on the PD 02:25:00.840 --> 02:25:04.440 side of things if in the future they ever wanted to sell off that land it's 02:25:04.440 --> 02:25:07.480 parceled out and the plan development that this is rural has to use for 02:25:07.480 --> 02:25:10.480 agricultural use all things the neighborhood wants the items that the 02:25:10.480 --> 02:25:15.560 that the applicants are amenable to they want to sell off that land it would 02:25:15.560 --> 02:25:18.520 still take or that someone wants to develop that piece of land it come back 02:25:18.520 --> 02:25:22.880 you don't take a PD amendment to do that correct if you're talking about that AG 02:25:22.880 --> 02:25:27.800 piece of property with that that's not part of the actual zoning request and 02:25:27.800 --> 02:25:33.080 so it's going to stay RR regardless of what happens tonight and so that can be 02:25:33.080 --> 02:25:37.440 bought and sold of course if somebody ever wanted to rezone it if they wanted 02:25:37.440 --> 02:25:41.320 to request that they would have to come before this board as well as council as 02:25:41.320 --> 02:25:48.680 it stands RR only allows AG uses and homesteads and any kind of uses that go 02:25:48.680 --> 02:25:53.300 along with farming and ranching I'm asking I'm asking from the standpoint of 02:25:53.300 --> 02:25:58.400 if it was included in a zoning request that AG strip land was including in a 02:25:58.400 --> 02:26:02.720 zoning request but in that in that PD zoning request it was designated as being 02:26:02.720 --> 02:26:06.080 agriculture later on the property owner wants to do something with that 02:26:06.080 --> 02:26:09.600 agricultural land they've defined within there it would take a PD amendment 02:26:09.600 --> 02:26:13.200 yes if it was included in the PD then yes you would have to come back and amend 02:26:13.200 --> 02:26:17.880 the PD if they sold it off and then somebody else wanted to do that they'd 02:26:17.880 --> 02:26:20.560 have to come back and do the PD amendment there as well same thing right 02:26:20.560 --> 02:26:25.080 PD runs with the land not the owner on the site plan of course the doing the 02:26:25.080 --> 02:26:28.000 site plan would allow for the codification of something like this 02:26:28.000 --> 02:26:32.960 concept plan whereas as chair Ellis has mentioned that this concept plan is just 02:26:32.960 --> 02:26:37.840 that it's conceptual that it's what is intended the setbacks and the things 02:26:37.840 --> 02:26:42.960 that trust the developer and the applicant are truthful honest people you 02:26:42.960 --> 02:26:46.040 know good small business owners here in Denton will honor those things you're 02:26:46.040 --> 02:26:49.880 saying but there technically is nothing that holds them that holds them to this 02:26:49.880 --> 02:26:54.160 after the zoning goes through is that correct as well to this exact plan but 02:26:54.160 --> 02:26:57.960 they do still have to meet everything in the PD as far as the uses and design 02:26:57.960 --> 02:27:05.520 details they're 35 foot it's actually 30 foot between plus the right of way 02:27:05.520 --> 02:27:11.240 there at Hamilton yes so it'd be another call it call it 45 feet yes including 02:27:11.240 --> 02:27:23.640 the right away there got it understood mr. Ramsey can I ask you a question I 02:27:23.640 --> 02:27:28.640 think the intent of the strip of land makes a lot of sense and I appreciate 02:27:28.640 --> 02:27:31.560 you guys finding a buyer and having some good things there I think my only 02:27:31.560 --> 02:27:36.720 concern is just that it's not there's not a formal agreement to it and I know 02:27:36.720 --> 02:27:40.360 that you got backup plans it doesn't provide a lot of protections but that's 02:27:40.360 --> 02:27:45.440 not really my question I was gonna ask you down here the how inhibitive would 02:27:45.440 --> 02:27:49.440 it be for you as an applicant to coming back with a site plan if this was to 02:27:49.440 --> 02:27:55.000 come back as a plant as a PD well you know I think I don't know that we're a 02:27:55.000 --> 02:27:58.960 hundred percent against it but our time is gonna start over basically again so 02:27:58.960 --> 02:28:01.600 we're probably you know we've been working on this thing with neighborhood 02:28:01.600 --> 02:28:06.160 meetings for months and so it's gonna add another you know months to our 02:28:06.160 --> 02:28:12.000 project so I mean if that's my only option I mean I think we look at that 02:28:12.000 --> 02:28:15.920 there is an option we could possibly do and Tina we thought about while setting 02:28:15.920 --> 02:28:24.800 up there was on the plat could we dedicate a no build easement yes and one 02:28:24.800 --> 02:28:27.560 of the thoughts I had was Commissioner Smith when you were going through your 02:28:27.560 --> 02:28:31.520 line of questioning with Lisa is that if this southern portion of property was 02:28:31.520 --> 02:28:36.240 included as part of the a plan development district request we would 02:28:36.240 --> 02:28:40.040 want to establish some requirements within the plan development district to 02:28:40.040 --> 02:28:44.000 ensure that it remains open space but then we would could reaffirm that also 02:28:44.000 --> 02:28:51.040 on a plat and have it designated as a no build easement so therefore if that 02:28:51.040 --> 02:28:56.440 easement is ever removed it has to come back through this city but we in order 02:28:56.440 --> 02:29:00.440 to make that easement more enforceable we would need to have provisions within 02:29:00.440 --> 02:29:05.720 the zoning for us to be able to enforce it because otherwise if I don't have 02:29:05.720 --> 02:29:09.160 anything to hold the property owner accountable for providing that easement 02:29:09.160 --> 02:29:14.680 they could submit a plat and request to be removed so I'm sorry no I was I say 02:29:14.680 --> 02:29:20.720 excuse me so you know if if the if the applicant and the Commission are 02:29:20.720 --> 02:29:24.960 interested in trying to establish some sort of plan development district while 02:29:24.960 --> 02:29:29.800 the while the Denton Development Code says that if a development can be 02:29:29.800 --> 02:29:33.640 accomplished under straight zoning it should be pursued in that manner given 02:29:33.640 --> 02:29:37.240 some of these unique constraints or circumstances surrounding this property 02:29:37.240 --> 02:29:41.840 with the residential adjacency you know we could explore the concept of a plan 02:29:41.840 --> 02:29:45.800 development district further with the applicant if there was interest in how 02:29:45.800 --> 02:29:51.080 better to restrict the development of the property on the south side if 02:29:51.080 --> 02:29:56.120 there's interest in establishing some sort of minimum setback so with respect 02:29:56.120 --> 02:30:00.440 to building number one that is amenable for the developer and that the 02:30:00.440 --> 02:30:05.280 Commission is comfortable with and ultimately City Council and then also 02:30:05.280 --> 02:30:10.220 addressing the plan that's being attached you know if there's concern that 02:30:10.220 --> 02:30:15.400 the plan could evolve then what's shown here I mean technically that plan could 02:30:15.400 --> 02:30:19.360 be attached to the plan development district coordinates and then it would 02:30:19.360 --> 02:30:24.160 require an amendment to the plan development district if that plan ever 02:30:24.160 --> 02:30:28.480 wanted to be modified we would probably put language I would recommend that we 02:30:28.480 --> 02:30:31.680 would include language though within the plan development district that provides 02:30:31.680 --> 02:30:35.120 some level of flexibility because we realize issues come up in the 02:30:35.120 --> 02:30:38.960 development of engineering plans but you know if that's the direction the 02:30:38.960 --> 02:30:44.280 Commission is heading down and if the applicant is amenable happy to work 02:30:44.280 --> 02:30:48.880 through those items I would request that the Commission consider tabling this 02:30:48.880 --> 02:30:52.040 request we would likely have to re-notice this application if we're 02:30:52.040 --> 02:30:55.440 going to expand the area of consideration it does cause additional 02:30:55.440 --> 02:30:59.920 delay though to the applicant sure so two things in your point or your 02:30:59.920 --> 02:31:06.280 question Tina or the things you brought up one the I totally understand if it 02:31:06.280 --> 02:31:09.880 seemed it can seem like from the very surface level of this is a straight 02:31:09.880 --> 02:31:15.360 zoning case the fact that we're giving we're giving up land extra land you 02:31:15.360 --> 02:31:21.120 know as a buffer that's not required per the zoning to me screams it's not a 02:31:21.120 --> 02:31:29.000 straight zoning case in that scenario and so we're looking at a boundary piece 02:31:29.000 --> 02:31:35.040 of land I understand yeah I understand I understand the can you go into the the 02:31:35.040 --> 02:31:40.640 no-build easement a little bit more Tina right so a no-build easement typically 02:31:40.640 --> 02:31:44.760 when established on the plat restricts any buildings from being developed 02:31:44.760 --> 02:31:49.800 within that area so it's it essentially prohibits any construction of any 02:31:49.800 --> 02:31:53.920 structures in that area and then it gets that that goes through that wouldn't be 02:31:53.920 --> 02:31:56.560 it's that wouldn't be at this step of zoning they would be at the step of 02:31:56.560 --> 02:32:00.200 plotting correct I just want to make sure we could possibly make it a 02:32:00.200 --> 02:32:04.760 requirement of zoning that that becomes a no no-build easement on plaque correct 02:32:04.760 --> 02:32:09.000 when that condition gets attached to a straight zoning request it essentially 02:32:09.000 --> 02:32:14.120 makes it a plan development district request so so in order for us to be able 02:32:14.120 --> 02:32:18.540 to enforce that no-build easement we would need to establish it through the 02:32:18.540 --> 02:32:23.600 zoning process but ultimately it's it's also put on the plat to acknowledge that 02:32:23.600 --> 02:32:27.640 that exists but the zoning is where the greater enforcement is from the city's 02:32:27.640 --> 02:32:32.920 perspective to ensure that there's no construction or no development happening 02:32:32.920 --> 02:32:37.520 within that that that no-build zone so what you're saying to make sure I 02:32:37.520 --> 02:32:40.680 understand you is that the no-build easement could be a possible to it but 02:32:40.680 --> 02:32:43.680 attaching at this point in time would kick it into PD which would basically 02:32:43.680 --> 02:32:46.320 mean that we don't need to re-notice is that what you're saying is that gonna go 02:32:46.320 --> 02:32:49.960 that is correct okay guys make sure that's all questions I have I guess a 02:32:49.960 --> 02:32:54.200 question that I would just have is what kind of concerns and things would we 02:32:54.200 --> 02:32:58.720 want to see in a PD from from this council I mean we've heard a setback you 02:32:58.720 --> 02:33:02.560 know allowance because if we say okay these buildings of these sizes need to 02:33:02.560 --> 02:33:06.840 go here that really limits when we're leasing or building these buildings of 02:33:06.840 --> 02:33:10.520 what tenants we get in out we haven't had any discussion about jobs to our 02:33:10.520 --> 02:33:14.360 city about the economic impact to our city and those are things that we really 02:33:14.360 --> 02:33:18.320 need to consider so if we go in and lock this thing down on a PD and say your 02:33:18.320 --> 02:33:21.920 buildings can only be this size or that I mean you guys have an also 02:33:21.920 --> 02:33:26.680 responsibility to the business community of here too to say look we're trying to 02:33:26.680 --> 02:33:31.480 be to work with give buffers but these are our also jobs and it's part of the 02:33:31.480 --> 02:33:35.620 2040 plan and we're lining up with everything that you guys just voted on 02:33:35.620 --> 02:33:41.240 yeah we're gonna go on that we've got a couple other commissioners who are 02:33:41.240 --> 02:33:48.640 wishing to speak so we're gonna we're gonna somebody else has questions we 02:33:48.640 --> 02:33:53.320 hang on Commissioner Villarreal just have a quick clarifying question for 02:33:53.320 --> 02:33:59.800 Lisa I know you mentioned briefly during the work session that GEO was considered 02:33:59.800 --> 02:34:04.560 is that correct it was considered earlier today as a possibility but the 02:34:04.560 --> 02:34:09.800 applicant his developer won't they have they need something that is at least 02:34:09.800 --> 02:34:15.360 done industrial in order to move forward but another developer might use that sure 02:34:15.360 --> 02:34:22.560 is there a reason for that yeah so actually I went through since we talked 02:34:22.560 --> 02:34:25.880 about that and went through each line item of what was approved in GEO and 02:34:25.880 --> 02:34:30.800 what was improved in Li and there is not a ton of difference there's actually 02:34:30.800 --> 02:34:35.440 some things that I think would be less attractive to the neighborhood in a GEO 02:34:35.440 --> 02:34:38.400 zoning because they're really similar but I think there's a little more 02:34:38.400 --> 02:34:43.400 landscaping required which we're gonna have anyway but I think there are some 02:34:43.400 --> 02:34:47.600 things in that GEO that would be worse for the neighborhood than be better 02:34:47.600 --> 02:34:50.880 once I really went through them because between our work session I actually went 02:34:50.880 --> 02:34:54.200 through and highlighted each one of them and I can get my notes if you'd like but 02:34:54.200 --> 02:34:59.000 I really don't think that would be better overall for the neighborhood after 02:34:59.000 --> 02:35:03.880 I took a look at it and plus if we want the type of developer we want they need 02:35:03.880 --> 02:35:10.240 in Li zoning for their for their industrial developments. Commissioner 02:35:10.240 --> 02:35:22.520 Pruitt. Thank you chair question for Lisa I think or yeah sorry in just a 02:35:22.520 --> 02:35:27.040 second perhaps for Tina just to make sure I understand this concept of the 02:35:27.040 --> 02:35:33.760 no-build easement I believe in some other cases in town although those are 02:35:33.760 --> 02:35:39.040 in special agreements we've had some conservation easements as opposed to 02:35:39.040 --> 02:35:43.920 no-build easements is that at all enforceable without a PD type zoning 02:35:43.920 --> 02:35:49.800 regulation independent of of that or is that no different than a no-build 02:35:49.800 --> 02:35:54.080 easement from the enforceability that you would need? So it's my understanding 02:35:54.080 --> 02:35:58.720 and I'm gonna look to my team that the conservation easement I believe is 02:35:58.720 --> 02:36:02.080 applicable to items potentially with respect to our environmentally sensitive 02:36:02.080 --> 02:36:07.560 areas I'm getting some affirmative nods I think I'm speaking correctly so and so 02:36:07.560 --> 02:36:11.880 it's more tied to the environmentally sensitive areas so in in this case 02:36:11.880 --> 02:36:16.400 because this is not that there's not an ESA on the south side of this property 02:36:16.400 --> 02:36:21.160 the conservation easement would not be an appropriate mechanism. Thank you that 02:36:21.160 --> 02:36:31.720 answers that. Good question. Lisa I get the sense that a lot of the concern could 02:36:31.720 --> 02:36:38.080 be because it's a concept plan we don't know all the possibilities that could 02:36:38.080 --> 02:36:45.040 happen to it with respect to setbacks from the parcel that's not in this 02:36:45.040 --> 02:36:50.320 straight zoning case right from the from the border of the parcel in question 02:36:50.320 --> 02:36:58.400 essentially. Can you tell us basically if someone else were to come in say the 02:36:58.400 --> 02:37:03.000 land got sold off somebody else came in and were to to do a different concept 02:37:03.000 --> 02:37:09.760 plan right and they had the LI zoning would it be possible to move that 02:37:09.760 --> 02:37:14.400 southern building appreciably closer to the southern border or is this shown 02:37:14.400 --> 02:37:21.720 basically where that setback requirement would limit that building's southward 02:37:21.720 --> 02:37:27.720 motion does that make sense I'm trying to bound you know if it changed could 02:37:27.720 --> 02:37:33.000 it just kind of reformat in the northern portion or could it actually become more 02:37:33.000 --> 02:37:39.040 encroaching to the community to the south. Right yes if the portion that is 02:37:39.040 --> 02:37:42.160 up for the zoning request was sold to somebody else and they decide to do 02:37:42.160 --> 02:37:47.680 something else they would still have to go according to the DDC setbacks and the 02:37:47.680 --> 02:37:53.040 landscape buffer that would be required because that property would still be 02:37:53.040 --> 02:38:01.720 zoned RR I don't know offhand what the setback is but and I don't know offhand 02:38:01.720 --> 02:38:06.400 what the setback they're proposing is if they even have an exact setback yet but 02:38:06.400 --> 02:38:10.600 there would still be a setback with the landscape buffer. So it's it's within the 02:38:10.600 --> 02:38:15.120 realm of how it's shown it's not gonna be half a building width closer or 02:38:15.120 --> 02:38:21.280 something like that right okay. And I want to bring up again I know Tina did 02:38:21.280 --> 02:38:27.840 before but if y'all decide that this would be best to consider this as a PD 02:38:27.840 --> 02:38:34.600 that we would have to re-notice if we want to include the ag tract in it and 02:38:34.600 --> 02:38:40.240 in addition the PD does require full ZCP plans so a site plan and landscape plan 02:38:40.240 --> 02:38:44.360 and tree plans and so all of that takes a lot of time to put together because 02:38:44.360 --> 02:38:50.440 they have not had to put have had to do that yet this is a concept plan so just 02:38:50.440 --> 02:38:52.760 so you know that that would not be coming back at the next meeting or 02:38:52.760 --> 02:39:01.520 anything like that so make sure y'all are aware. Yeah so I don't know which 02:39:01.520 --> 02:39:09.560 direction we're leaning but I'm I'm thankful that it was brought as a 02:39:09.560 --> 02:39:17.060 straight zoning to consider it that way because I think the things that the 02:39:17.060 --> 02:39:22.000 community is really concerned about are a very very small subset of what a PD 02:39:22.000 --> 02:39:31.400 would codify right and we just have to be very careful to over constrain the 02:39:31.400 --> 02:39:38.000 uses and and site details that would be perfectly fine right because all 02:39:38.000 --> 02:39:46.080 essentially that just adds time and cost so you know we'll see what happens. Well 02:39:46.080 --> 02:39:49.480 and I just wanted to make a point to what you were questioning about with 02:39:49.480 --> 02:39:52.160 this concept plan you know it's not a matter of like just building one 02:39:52.160 --> 02:39:56.600 getting moved if they sold the land it it doesn't have to be this doesn't have 02:39:56.600 --> 02:40:02.160 to be warehouse it could be anything that's in LI period you know so it's not 02:40:02.160 --> 02:40:07.120 a matter of looking at this plan and and and it getting changed because this plan 02:40:07.120 --> 02:40:13.280 doesn't exist it's just a concept and it's the use doesn't exist nothing there 02:40:13.280 --> 02:40:19.120 is no use that exists yet and there won't be a use that exists yet if this 02:40:19.120 --> 02:40:24.440 gets changed to LI it'll be whatever's allowed in LI that's that's the uses 02:40:24.440 --> 02:40:29.760 available. Yeah and to be fair I wasn't trying to ascertain the use I was trying 02:40:29.760 --> 02:40:36.600 to ascertain the the geographical freedom with which a building that would 02:40:36.600 --> 02:40:41.400 be developed on this site could move if if the approximate location that this is 02:40:41.400 --> 02:40:47.280 shown is pretty much as as far south as it could go given the the RR piece just 02:40:47.280 --> 02:40:54.040 south of there. Okay understood. Any other discussion we can entertain a 02:40:54.040 --> 02:40:57.080 motion more questions? 02:41:02.440 --> 02:41:12.280 Okay, no one wants to do anything. Commissioner Pruitt. I'm gonna move approval as presented I 02:41:12.280 --> 02:41:21.920 think you know change is hard and as we as we go forward like I said earlier we 02:41:21.920 --> 02:41:30.280 just we need to be very careful that we have confidence in in how things are 02:41:30.280 --> 02:41:36.760 being handled and protected and staff to to do their diligence but we need to not 02:41:36.760 --> 02:41:45.760 put so many handcuffs on things that that we inadvertently hamper the the 02:41:45.760 --> 02:41:52.600 development of the area in other ways so thank you. Thank you Commissioner 02:41:52.600 --> 02:41:59.680 Commissioner Smith. Thank you Chair. More thought about it the more that the 02:41:59.680 --> 02:42:06.720 restrictions that will come with the PD would I think it would basically be 02:42:06.720 --> 02:42:12.000 cutting off the nose despite the face if we did it that we'd be restricting the 02:42:12.000 --> 02:42:17.040 piece of land to specific uses without specific buyers on the inside of it it 02:42:17.040 --> 02:42:23.640 would cause a lot of undue returns back to make amendments to the PDs while the 02:42:23.640 --> 02:42:28.920 deed restriction and leaving that section as RR isn't in my opinion the 02:42:28.920 --> 02:42:34.440 most beneficial and most protective way for the neighborhood the fact that 02:42:34.440 --> 02:42:39.560 there's I'm not good at numbers even though I'm in finance 40 50 people in 02:42:39.560 --> 02:42:43.760 this room right now who are hearing us have this conversation I'm just gonna 02:42:43.760 --> 02:42:47.880 tell you that you're the you're the check-in balance in this one so the the 02:42:47.880 --> 02:42:52.480 city and this council this Commission won't be there to hold that piece of 02:42:52.480 --> 02:42:58.440 land to agriculture if it comes back and wants to be rezoned so without it I 02:42:58.440 --> 02:43:00.960 think that it's a it's a tough decision and I'm just gonna trust staff on this 02:43:00.960 --> 02:43:08.040 one so I'll second okay we have a first and a second for approval of the request 02:43:08.040 --> 02:43:34.960 any discussion okay okay just for the homeowners I know some of the projects 02:43:34.960 --> 02:43:38.580 mr. Ramsey and his group have done in the past and they do good they do really 02:43:38.580 --> 02:43:42.680 good work they are their group of integrity that's a slide show said 02:43:42.680 --> 02:43:46.680 they're integrity you know they have integrity and they're honest people I do 02:43:46.680 --> 02:43:52.600 find that truthful they are good people with that being said I think they're 02:43:52.600 --> 02:43:56.440 gonna do what you're gonna ask them to do I think they're gonna be honest and 02:43:56.440 --> 02:44:02.240 uphold their end of that bargain so you know I'm gonna vote for this thing I do 02:44:02.240 --> 02:44:06.680 want didn't do stay rural I totally understand your concerns I lived in a 02:44:06.680 --> 02:44:12.080 rural neighborhood in pilot point myself had to move away but we'd like to keep 02:44:12.080 --> 02:44:17.480 it as as well as it has been for the past 59 years that you know that the 02:44:17.480 --> 02:44:21.800 neighborhoods have been there but change is coming I mean loop treated it's 02:44:21.800 --> 02:44:26.600 coming around there things are going to happen as many of you said we'd rather 02:44:26.600 --> 02:44:32.920 have it light industrial and have it some warehousing there instead of 02:44:32.920 --> 02:44:36.200 businesses they're gonna have you know four or five hundred cars coming through 02:44:36.200 --> 02:44:40.760 there a day you know cars and not not 18-wheelers 18-wheelers aren't I have a 02:44:40.760 --> 02:44:45.880 feeling that 18-wheelers are not gonna come through your neighborhood if it was 02:44:45.880 --> 02:44:52.160 multifamily more housing you're gonna have people in their cars cutting 02:44:52.160 --> 02:44:56.560 through your neighborhoods a lot faster than 18-wheelers are and with this with 02:44:56.560 --> 02:45:00.920 that being said they're gonna try to divert I think they're traffic is gonna 02:45:00.920 --> 02:45:05.880 be trying to be diverted around your neighborhoods and but anyway I think 02:45:05.880 --> 02:45:10.920 this is the lesser two of lesser of two evils to be honest with you and with 02:45:10.920 --> 02:45:15.160 that being said I think they are gonna keep their word and do what they said 02:45:15.160 --> 02:45:19.800 and try to put as much green space between your neighborhood and their 02:45:19.800 --> 02:45:24.520 development and anyway I just want to let you know about that and but they 02:45:24.520 --> 02:45:28.320 they are they are a good company there they do keep their word so thank you 02:45:28.320 --> 02:45:38.160 chair anybody else with discussion we vote so I'll just say a few words thank 02:45:38.160 --> 02:45:46.280 you everyone for coming out and sharing your thoughts you know it is I've 02:45:46.280 --> 02:45:52.440 struggled with this as you heard me talk in work session because I think staff 02:45:52.440 --> 02:45:56.360 unfortunately in my opinion missed the boat on this and should have steered 02:45:56.360 --> 02:46:02.880 this developer toward a planned development because of the safety 02:46:02.880 --> 02:46:06.480 measures that we should be able to put in place for this established 02:46:06.480 --> 02:46:14.280 neighborhood this is a special part of our community and this is a highly 02:46:14.280 --> 02:46:20.440 respected group of developers Brandon Lee Jen I see Thomas up there this is a 02:46:20.440 --> 02:46:26.400 great group of people in town so it is nothing against this group but I don't 02:46:26.400 --> 02:46:34.360 ever consider a straight zoning change without thinking about all the 02:46:34.360 --> 02:46:38.080 ramifications and I can't just say because you're great people here you're 02:46:38.080 --> 02:46:41.480 gonna keep your word I just don't work like that sitting on this commission and 02:46:41.480 --> 02:46:46.400 I never have in the almost six years that I've been here so I think we missed 02:46:46.400 --> 02:46:51.400 the boat on this as a city because I think yes change is coming and yes a 02:46:51.400 --> 02:46:56.800 development is gonna happen but it could have been a better development and we 02:46:56.800 --> 02:47:00.400 could have had safeguards in place to where these homeowners who have been 02:47:00.400 --> 02:47:06.120 here living in this little rural spot that we have up there that have gone 02:47:06.120 --> 02:47:10.360 unprotected and unplanned through the years they could have had some 02:47:10.360 --> 02:47:15.320 safeguards in place and left you know feeling a little bit more protected not 02:47:15.320 --> 02:47:19.160 that they think nothing is going to happen with this land that's north of 02:47:19.160 --> 02:47:27.200 them but that it could happen with safeguards in place so that being said I 02:47:27.200 --> 02:47:31.000 don't see any other people wishing to speak let's go ahead and vote on the 02:47:31.000 --> 02:47:33.120 board 02:47:46.080 --> 02:47:53.160 that is a tie vote and motion fails three three Commissioner Smith 02:47:53.160 --> 02:48:04.160 Commissioner Smith make a motion to cut the tide if it's a tie so that goes the 02:48:04.160 --> 02:48:08.200 tire vote fails correct cuz we didn't get four or does it does it fault does 02:48:08.200 --> 02:48:11.600 it fail to a denial or is it failed to it fails to pass therefore you know the 02:48:11.600 --> 02:48:16.920 motion correct for affirmative votes right it failed was this oh it I think 02:48:16.920 --> 02:48:20.160 we're both on the same page go for it actually in this instance because it's a 02:48:20.160 --> 02:48:24.200 tie vote the code says that it would come back at the next meeting as an 02:48:24.200 --> 02:48:29.360 individual consideration item in the in the essence of the code the ordinance 02:48:29.360 --> 02:48:34.560 that we passed previously when it's a tie due to recusal there was a we had a 02:48:34.560 --> 02:48:38.320 piece on that in PNC for that bar G you want to correct you want to correct me 02:48:38.320 --> 02:48:41.520 on that one is a tie for recusal knowing that it's gonna come back next meeting 02:48:41.520 --> 02:48:45.240 but Commissioner Cole will have to recuse again here by me what the rules 02:48:45.240 --> 02:48:47.640 are on that 02:48:47.640 --> 02:48:55.800 rezoning procedures in the DDC actually specify exactly what Hillary said it 02:48:55.800 --> 02:48:58.640 has to come back as an individual consideration at our next meeting I 02:48:58.640 --> 02:49:02.920 made if it ties again at that point it would move forward to City Council as a 02:49:02.920 --> 02:49:06.120 recommendation of denial but would not trigger the supermajority vote okay I 02:49:06.120 --> 02:49:08.960 couldn't remember I could remember what our changes the rule but we what we've 02:49:08.960 --> 02:49:11.560 made on that one when that happened when this happened before when it's been tied 02:49:11.560 --> 02:49:16.720 due to a recusal so not an absence so thank you then we will see this again at 02:49:16.720 --> 02:49:26.440 our next meeting okay so we will move on on our agenda and so Commissioner 02:49:26.440 --> 02:49:40.840 McDade it will not be a public hearing it but people can speak at an individual 02:49:40.840 --> 02:49:49.040 consideration item yes Tina did you have something to say or no yeah I was just 02:49:49.040 --> 02:49:53.400 gonna add to that that you're correct it's it's not advertised as a public 02:49:53.400 --> 02:49:56.760 hearing but since it is individual consideration the Commission is allowed 02:49:56.760 --> 02:50:00.960 to receive comment the other thing I will note to folks that are in the 02:50:00.960 --> 02:50:05.440 audience is again you would not receive any notice from the city no mail notices 02:50:05.440 --> 02:50:08.800 like you did in advance at this meeting so if you're interested in the outcome 02:50:08.800 --> 02:50:12.400 that occurs at the Planning and Zoning Commission's next meeting then I would 02:50:12.400 --> 02:50:19.720 encourage you to to come and attend the meeting so the in the next Planning and 02:50:19.720 --> 02:50:23.520 Zoning Commission meeting is two weeks from tonight and my apologies that let 02:50:23.520 --> 02:50:34.960 me look at the date thank you May 11th okay that takes us to our Planning and 02:50:34.960 --> 02:50:45.320 Zoning matrix Tina I will give the floor to you thank you so included within your 02:50:45.320 --> 02:50:50.800 packet was our matrix and some of these items given the work session discussion 02:50:50.800 --> 02:50:55.700 that we had earlier this afternoon as Haley pointed out there are several 02:50:55.700 --> 02:51:00.040 items that we are working through to be able to address since some of these have 02:51:00.040 --> 02:51:03.960 been riding on the matrix for a while but obviously the the first item on the 02:51:03.960 --> 02:51:07.640 list was our discussion about the opt-in system for the notification so I believe 02:51:07.640 --> 02:51:12.320 we've we've checked the box on that one and so that would be coming off in that 02:51:12.320 --> 02:51:17.920 regard but it's you know can you give it a minute oh yeah absolutely 02:51:17.920 --> 02:51:30.040 sorry I just couldn't even hear you so that's all right thank you 02:51:42.320 --> 02:51:51.560 okay I'll let folks get down the stairs also just a little bit since that carries 02:51:51.560 --> 02:52:04.520 to okay can you all hear me okay great okay so what I was saying is with the 02:52:04.520 --> 02:52:08.200 matrix that's included in your packet and Haley's presentation that she gave 02:52:08.200 --> 02:52:12.200 earlier this evening or afternoon in our work session I think we've got a plan 02:52:12.200 --> 02:52:16.400 in place to address several of the items that are on this matrix and I know some 02:52:16.400 --> 02:52:19.280 of them been on here for a little bit of time and so hence why we wanted to put a 02:52:19.280 --> 02:52:23.800 plan in place to knock some of these items off and be responsive to you the 02:52:23.800 --> 02:52:27.840 very first item on the list though with respect to the opt-in system for 02:52:27.840 --> 02:52:31.240 notifications on projects I feel like we've accomplished that tonight so if 02:52:31.240 --> 02:52:33.680 it's with the concurrence of the Commission we'll go ahead and remove that 02:52:33.680 --> 02:52:39.920 item from the matrix in addition just to give the Commission an update on some 02:52:39.920 --> 02:52:45.120 items that went to City Council back on April 19th we had three requests that 02:52:45.120 --> 02:52:49.960 were on the agenda the first one was a request to reason property from rural 02:52:49.960 --> 02:52:55.880 residential to our excuse me R1 this was roughly two acres of property over off 02:52:55.880 --> 02:53:01.640 of Mosh Branch Road about 2100 feet south of FM 1173 if you recall the 02:53:01.640 --> 02:53:04.960 property owner was requesting to rezone that property so that they can meet 02:53:04.960 --> 02:53:08.120 minimum lot size requirements in order to plot the property to get a building 02:53:08.120 --> 02:53:11.920 permit for a single-family resident so City Council did approve that unanimously 02:53:11.920 --> 02:53:16.720 seven with a 7-0 vote we also had another item which was a specific use 02:53:16.720 --> 02:53:21.060 permit for a townhome development on roughly an eight acre track near May 02:53:21.060 --> 02:53:27.080 Hill and prominence Parkway that was also approved 7-0 by council and then 02:53:27.080 --> 02:53:30.720 the third item we had on the agenda that night was the razor ranch landscape 02:53:30.720 --> 02:53:35.000 plan amendment on the north side of 380 associated with the Home Depot 02:53:35.000 --> 02:53:39.620 development and there was much discussion on that particular item 02:53:39.620 --> 02:53:43.920 particularly as it relates to vehicle connectivity and bicycle and pedestrian 02:53:43.920 --> 02:53:46.880 connectivity and how that can be achieved in the area and what's the 02:53:46.880 --> 02:53:53.840 safer means of accomplishing that and ultimately with the City Council 02:53:53.840 --> 02:53:59.680 approved that request 6-1 and so just you know we did work with the applicant 02:53:59.680 --> 02:54:04.400 on the connectivity issues there is existing north-south connectivity that's 02:54:04.400 --> 02:54:07.720 a result of some properties that are currently under development more towards 02:54:07.720 --> 02:54:14.200 the north and east and then also opportunities for better pedestrian and 02:54:14.200 --> 02:54:18.160 bicycle connectivity from the residential areas to the north back down into that 02:54:18.160 --> 02:54:21.600 overall development there was discussion about trying to have all that 02:54:21.600 --> 02:54:25.560 connectivity occur more closer to the Home Depot development there's some great 02:54:25.560 --> 02:54:29.160 changes there we did not want to introduce pedestrians and bicyclists in 02:54:29.160 --> 02:54:33.820 an area that's predominantly truck in loading zone areas so in the end the 02:54:33.820 --> 02:54:39.080 connectivity happened and as a result of also past efforts thanks to those three 02:54:39.080 --> 02:54:43.440 individuals sitting over there and but nonetheless that project ended up being 02:54:43.440 --> 02:54:49.360 approved so and that's all we had on the council agenda for that evening 02:54:49.360 --> 02:54:54.400 Commissioner Anderson thanks here I was just somebody on council was worried 02:54:54.400 --> 02:55:00.160 about bicycle connectivity to Home Depot I've never seen anybody ride a bicycle 02:55:00.160 --> 02:55:05.960 to buy something Home Depot well some of us have had similar observations but 02:55:05.960 --> 02:55:10.120 there was one or two people in the neighborhood to the north that were 02:55:10.120 --> 02:55:15.320 interested in having that connectivity to be able to really I think more to be 02:55:15.320 --> 02:55:19.720 able to go south just because of some of the other vehicular child or circulation 02:55:19.720 --> 02:55:24.000 challenges within that overall area with the the traffic that's along 380 Bonnie 02:55:24.000 --> 02:55:29.160 Bray and so just wanting that ability to be able to get to the the uses that are 02:55:29.160 --> 02:55:31.920 further south within that development I think not just the Home Depot but some 02:55:31.920 --> 02:55:41.280 of the other businesses that are there anything for the matrix any concluding 02:55:41.280 --> 02:55:49.280 items okay see none I will close our meeting at 819 p.m. thank you everyone 02:55:49.280 --> 02:55:51.920 congratulations