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 good afternoon and welcome to the city of Denton's planning and zoning

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 Commission meeting for Wednesday April 27th 2022 this is our work session and

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 with a quorum present I will call us to order at 430 p.m. let their record show

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 at this time Commissioner Anderson is absent going through our agenda first

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 item is citizen comments on a consent agenda however we have no consent

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 agenda so we're gonna move on to our next work session item which is our work

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 session reports first one is 2a pz 22079 we'll bring up Charlie to present hi

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 Charlie hey glad to be back and able to present to the planning and zoning

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 Commission good evening my name is Charlie Rosendahl I'm the business

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 services manager for the development services department here I'm here to

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 talk to you today about a work session item that came before as a council

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 request about a weekly automated notification an opt-in notification for

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 development projects this started out as an item as you all know on the P&Z

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 matrix and then it came forward as a two-minute pitch with City Council in

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 January I just want to give a brief background on how we currently notify in

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 the city of Denton we send mailed notices to owners within 200 foot of the

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 development and then also publish a notice in the local paper and that's per

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 state law on top of that the city of Denton sends 500 foot postcards to

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 residents and then signs are posted on the property and we post public

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 hearings on the city's website as a reminder applicants pay the cost of the

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 mailings and newspaper notifications following that additionally we have some

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 online sources of information about development projects so we have an active

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 projects map that shows all of the current active projects in the city and

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 then we also have a separate weekly project map that shows just the the last

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 week submittals lastly we have a project information webpage which is a walk

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 through site on how somebody can look at a development in the city it'll it'll

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 tell them how to go to the active projects map what to click on how to go

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 on our public meeting site and and look at the background information there so

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 again the ask was for a opt-in notification system that citizens could

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 opt-in and be alerted of notification area of new developments so what staff

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 is proposing here is a solution based in our active projects map since that's the

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 one that currently holds all of our project data what we're proposing is an

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 online signup form and then our GIS staff would create a buffer distance

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 based on what people select in that signup form and then at the time that

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 we're creating these projects we would cross reference a new project in that

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 buffer distance and have a tailored notification that goes out to somebody

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 I'm telling them exactly what the project name is where it's at and then

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 in the email template that we send them out we would also provide where they can

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 find more information on that and then if you were just looking at the

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 screenshot here it's just asking for a name email address and address and then

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 the distance that they want to be notified so we could custom that to if

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 you want a 500 foot notice if you want quarter mile whatever a specific buffer

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 distance that somebody would want is yeah I guess I have a question with that

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 particular the way it's worded in feet is there any way to maybe alter that at

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 all sure I don't know if maybe something within so much distance to their address

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 that they put in I don't know it just would be for somebody who wants to be

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 informed of kind of projects all over I'm not sure what they would put there

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 okay I mean thousands of feet you know what I mean it just seems that seems odd

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 for the just kind of the regular person yeah I know it's seemingly how we do

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 notices but it seems like for like the general public that seems like we could

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 probably know I appreciate that we could probably do some type of a drop-down

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 system that gives maybe a few options and then another and yeah probably would

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 be ideal if for whatever address that they put in you know and then have it be

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 you know whatever a quarter mile or yeah and then go into a mile or five miles or

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 25 miles or something like that Commissioner Anderson

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 like that but is there a way y'all could have like a little map pop up with their

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 address when they put in their address it pins their address and they could type

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 in like if they selected a quarter mile or show a diameter circle does that

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 make sense because I've seen some applications online before where you can

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 go in and put an address and from your address you can put in a mileage or

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 something like this of distance and it'll show you that parameter around your

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 thing I don't know if that would be so yeah we have that feature on our

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 interactive map but we wouldn't be able to build like a buffer distance feature

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 into a form like this I think we would have the ability availability of somebody

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 to like pin a location within the form but not display a buffer distance from

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 so I just wanted to recognize a few of the benefits and a couple drawbacks of

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 the system that we're proposing when council discussed it they were looking

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 at more of a fully automated system that somebody would go on but what we feel

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 like a benefit in doing this is we utilize existing software we're not

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 going to have to purchase a separate solution there's no additional cost to

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 the city for doing this one of the benefits of this also is that

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 customizable buffer distance a lot of cities that we've seen that do this and

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 and we didn't find very many but most of them do zones a zone based system where

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 you want just notifications about you know northeast side of town or or

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 southwest side of town then you would pick that zone zone one or zone two this

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 allows us to have a very customizable solution to that person and then also

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 it's immediately deployable which is another benefit we're not gonna have to

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 go through implementation we can we can start this soon like I mentioned it is

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 not fully automated the piece that would not be automated is the email

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 notification system so we would have to pull down a list of the people to

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 notify that week and then send it through an email solution and then we

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 wouldn't send multiple requests or multiple updates about a development as

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 it's ongoing our thought is we would send a notice letting them know that the

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 developments occurring and then provide the solution to where they can go in and

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 keep following up on that as reviews happen and public hearing hearing dates

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 are coming up commissioner Smith so explain that again Charlie just more in

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 depth so I take for an example there's a zoning request it's on tonight that gets

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 publicly notified it's on the agenda for some reason or another that we table

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 that item for discussion for next time they would just get the notice for the

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 first time it's noticed or would how would that work in that system if you

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 can walk me through that yeah so the way we're imagining it is there would be a

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 trigger at a certain point and we say hey just to let you know that there's a

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 project project name project number at this location that has submitted an

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 application and then through our new land management software system they can go

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 online and see the information about that project or they can follow along

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 on the active projects map and get get details on that so it wouldn't be a

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 notice with every every change within that project it would just be a notice

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 one time hey it's out here just so you're aware of it and is it gonna be

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 just zoning changes or is it gonna be every type of notification that comes

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 along is it we do the zoning change and then they submit a preliminary plat and

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 then when it gets the final plan that's on a consent agenda item as it changes

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 agenda as it changes agenda item names is that gonna change through every

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 single time too or how's that gonna work so that actually it's coming up on the

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 next slide unless anybody else has any questions oh so types of projects thank

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 you for leading me into that what our staff recommendation would be is that we

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 notify for things that are coming before P and Z and City Council and not those

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 more administrative type projects a simple engineering plan because at that

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 point we feel like that somebody might be frustrated in the fact that they

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 don't have you know a way to voice their concerns to you all or to City Council

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 because that's already gone through that phase of the project and now it's more

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 administrative civil engineering and we're just reviewing to criteria and if

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 it meets the criteria then it would be approved so happy to take feedback on

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 that item Commissioner Smith thank you chair yes on that piece I think there's

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 items I would I wouldn't say all projects in middles I would definitely

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 say the items that we have not necessarily control but we have review

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 and the right to approve or disapprove which is a lot of items but take for

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 example items like final plats that are on a consent agenda item that we are

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 you know if we disagree with the project as long as it meets the development code

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 we have no we have no jurisdiction as a commission to deny it unless we can cite

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 where in the development code that it's fault and so I think those types of

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 items not being put out there not from a sense of we don't want to keep the

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 public informed but I've seen in the last five years in the commission that

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 sometimes we get some some citizen input and some items that get brought up on

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 concerns that they have that really can't be changed at the standpoint that

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 we're at at that point I think the items like SUPs and any type of zoning changes

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 should definitely be included within there and then any items that are on

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 there for an item for individual consideration but I think the problem

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 with that is that you can have items that end up on items for individual

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 consideration that are in a consent agenda item or in the items for an

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 individual consideration that same type of you know a preliminary plot for

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 example like we pull off consent agenda and put that that discussion and true

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 vote instead of being taken in one whole chunk so I don't know how you guys would

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 see it Charlie from that standpoint of how you delineate between those things

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 but it might create undo angst from community members who maybe don't

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 understand what's happening there they don't realize that they're developing by

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 right and they're submitting something that meets the development code and

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 therefore you get citizen outreach and we have folks coming up here and just to

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 find out that sadly there's nothing they can do even if they don't like the

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 project I think that might cause more issues than then it's probably being

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 asked for than this so

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 yes go ahead and talk to me great Tina sorry no I just wanted to clarify so

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 you were saying that you would like for residents to be notified for all items

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 that have the potential to be considered by the planning and zoning Commission

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 that catch that correctly all items that we actually have basically a decision to

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 say yes or no like a neighborhood input can make a decision of whether or not we

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 approve or not it's like a zoning change right that we can go through as a

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 commission and vote no on it whereas there's those items like final plots

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 that are really more of an administrative process that yes city city

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 staff has come and said it's a recommendation for approval because it

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 meets the DDC unless we say it doesn't okay we can't we can't we can't vote

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 no on it by by Texas Legislature tax law government code so I think it's more of

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 the zoning pieces there okay so notification on the zoning and the

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 specific use permits but not the plats that's what I'm sure that that's yeah

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 and that's what I was trying to say to Charlie's that there's times when it's

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 on a consent agenda item that we can pull its items to an individual

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 consideration where we actually have discussion on it rather than taking in

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 one large group but saying all items for individual consideration should be pulled

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 aside and they should be notified on is difficult to do because there are items

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 that upon individual consideration that are administrative in vote right so I'm

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 not sure how to make that clarification different it might be a baby with the

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 bathwater issue so in my recommendation if there's no way to delineate between

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 those then it would be it would be zoning and the SUPs okay thank you let's

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 let's try to clarify this where you have that recommendation Charlie where it

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 says notify for only projects coming before PNC and council what is your

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 definition of project so so for us a project would be those different ones so

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 if you have a SUP then it's separate from a zoning case so not not as a

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 project as maybe the general public would think about a project right they

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 just see the site and it's being developed all as one item when we talk

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 about projects here I'm talking about those individual ones that may come in

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 a line to you all right I'm assuming when you're saying project you're

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 probably not discussing plats correct thank you what we have noted here is

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 that those items that require a public hearing would be the items that we would

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 have the notification on so that's typically zoning requests the specific

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 use permits there are some one-offs like projects in the razor ranch overlay

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 district that I think technically require a public hearing we had one on

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 your agenda here not too long ago but our primary focus on this and Charlie

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 correct me if I'm wrong was on the public hearing items because those are

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 the ones that were sending out public notification to the the residents or

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 individuals where they would get some sort of notification and usually those

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 are the projects I think folks are most interested in and that's the area where

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 they have the opportunity to influence the decision of the planning and zoning

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 Commission and Council it's much more difficult as Commissioner Smith pointed

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 out when we have plats that are on the agenda or a site plan that's on the

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 agenda for whatever reason that our ministerial approval if it meets all the

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 technical requirements then you're obligated to approve it so that's where

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 we feel like homeowners or residents would have the would probably get more

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 frustrated and Commissioner Smith you picked up on that as well is that they'd

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 get more frustrated because why I spent all this time came down to City Hall

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 and you're telling me though that even though I don't like this project and you

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 all should vote no you're telling me you have to vote yes then why'd I come down

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 here right so so that's why we initially focused on just those items that are

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 triggering the public hearing so that have the public notification requirement

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 if anything they're getting a more advanced notice than the typical mailed

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 notice that we receive and I think that's one of the questions also that

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 Charlie's gonna be seeking feedback on is at what point in time do we notify

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 folks on this because the fact of applications changes they're working

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 their way through our review and in discussions with the applicant a great

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 example is that you know there's only case that's on your agenda this evening

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 Lisa and the applicant have been working on that for several months now and so

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 you know do we notify the applicant right when that application walks in our

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 door or do we wait till they get further in the process when we do the public

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 notification and mail notes so looking for I think some feedback and direction

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 from you on that as well and I think you're about to get that that part of

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 your presentation right yeah yeah Commissioner Smith did that help with

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 it did public being that it's public hearing only I think the only piece the

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 reason why I brought the items for individual consideration is that we've

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 had a precedent in the past on the Commission that even though items for

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 individual consideration don't warn a public hearing we've had chairs in the

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 past who've allowed for public comment on those projects and so it it would be

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 messy to say they were only gonna notify for public hearings then there's comes

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 up an item for individual consideration and you let this citizen talk about it at

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 that time I should have been notified so I'd rather keep it as public hearing

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 items and then possibly tighten down the individual for items for individual

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 consideration public discussion part but yeah so that works

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 Commissioner Perot thank you chair just a couple of process questions because I'm

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 not sure how the the projects go through especially the the ministerial ones that

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 you described are there ever applications where a developer will

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 hold a community input meeting even if their plan is to do a by right

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 development just to to see you know and be open with the community or is that

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 really out of the blue that never happens I know it's saying never is

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 I was to say I'm gonna defer to the peanut gallery over there because some

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 have been here longer than I've been on whether or not we've had applicants do

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 those meetings on by right projects good afternoon Haley Sikorsky we in the

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 peanut gallery cannot think of any instance where someone has willingly done

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 a neighborhood meeting for a by right development but that's not say it

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 couldn't occur I don't know if that helps address the question yeah it does

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 thank you and then I guess on the other side of things once once we have the

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 pre-application conferences and all of the terms that I'm gonna forget the

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 specific terms of the meetings if it's by right does staff ever inform the

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 developers for a particular project about things that we know about the

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 neighborhood that would be appreciated even if we have no authority to to force

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 them since it's a by right development or is it purely just here's what the

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 code says here's the guidelines good luck if there are areas that we feel

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 might be able to offer suggestions or positive influence of development in

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 other way especially if it's improving the development layout you know we try

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 to offer those suggestions as part of our review if the plan meets the

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 technical requirements you know then the applicant can always tell us no right

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 but you know we can always make those suggestions you know if we happen to

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 know that this neighborhood over here is going to be concerned regarding what

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 type of screening that you install you know it might be in your best interest to

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 choose from these items on the list even though you have the the full gamut

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 available and ultimately is up to their decision as to as what they choose

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 because if it meets our code requirement we're obligated to approve it so okay so

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 and I don't want to say it depends but but you know I think there's when we

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 have the opportunity to potentially influence I mean we try to do so but

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 also in a reasonable manner yeah thank you that helps and I mean I'm just

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 trying to think through all the different types of projects I think it

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 makes sense to to focus on the items that still come before Council and P&Z I

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 would just put forth the idea that if if you see an increasing number of projects

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 that you wish you had more citizen input in even if they are by right maybe it

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 makes sense to revisit this you know a year or two down the line and then I

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 guess one other thing the the the broad city website right now I believe has a

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 subscription functionality to the public hearing news section yeah is that right

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 that's fair so I guess I would just wonder whether we could minimize staff

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 time by putting a big bold notice on this form and say hey if you want to get

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 all the public hearings please go sign up here right so that you don't have a

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 number of people who fill out their address and say you know 15,000 feet and

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 and it's more manual steps does that make sense yeah I see what you're saying

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 yeah we can definitely point people to that option I think it goes back to the

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 timing aspect of it because the public hearing notices go on the website at the

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 same time that we're sending the letters out and posting it in the newspaper

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 right which is kind of after the input community input meetings and that sort

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 of thing have typically taken place right yeah if they're gonna hold a

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 neighborhood meeting then that would have occurred before any type of public

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 hearing okay would have and then sorry last thing I promise I wonder if and I'm

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 not sure about privacy laws and that sort of thing would it be possible for

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 projects again that are a public hearing type of item to provide the development

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 community for that project a list of residents that had signed up to be

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 interested within a certain distance so that they could be added to the

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 developers list for a community input meeting yeah we could probably add that

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 step in there right now we're providing that 500 foot the same ones that we're

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 sending the postcard and letters out to you those get provided for neighborhood

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 meetings so that the developers can send out the notices to those

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 neighborhoods we could we could add in our process though the list of people

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 within that buffer zone okay that's all Commissioner Smith to answer your

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 question on timing I think the timing should be with Commissioner Smith yeah I

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 really want Charlie to get through his presentation I don't think he did right

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 did you get oh yeah I can walk over and then we'll get back to that I just feel

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 like we did quite tidy and so the second bullet is talking about the

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 project changes which Tina alluded to one of the the considerations that we

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 have is if we're noticing as soon as we receive a project application there could

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 be that month or a couple months timeframe before you all see it here

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 whereas a project may change significantly and then the other the

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 other item is that if we're noticing at the beginning of a project then someone

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 may have a bunch of questions that we may not have answers to just quite yet

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 we may have not dug into the project or completed our reviews so if we're

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 noticing you know day one hour one and then somebody gets that notice and then

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 they have instant questions that could be a lot on on city staff to need to

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 answer those questions so our our recommendation would be to notice before

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 any type of community meeting or public hearing so if if they do hold a

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 neighborhood meeting in advance then we can notify prior to that and that's it

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 all right and then this item I'm seeking feedback on these items we're going to

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 City Council on May 3rd Commissioner Smith thank you on timing that would I

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 know doing it before basically what you're saying is the staff recommendation

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 is doing doing the notifications but while community meetings are occurring

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 rather than doing it at public hearing notices is that correct right

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 traditionally how far those apart usually about two weeks is what I've

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 seen in the past when we've seen projects two three weeks and is that I

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 want to make sure what kind of like what Commissioner Prue was saying does that

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 create undue stress on staff by having to figure out for every single project

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 when are these neighborhood meetings occurring and then therefore how do we

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 need to push those out and when do we need to push those out because seems to

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 me that the less stress on staff but still giving notification still giving

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 public citizens the opportunity because a public agenda item to come and voice

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 their concerns and give their input doing it at the time of public notice

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 when stakes are in the ground and sign is up and that's and on the agenda and

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 it's posted seems like the more efficient for both staff city as well

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 citizens will give him that opportunity I get the neighborhood meeting piece but

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 it seems to be a more efficient method I don't know if that if there's an issue

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 with that in your opinion it would add a bit of complexity if we were going to do

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 it before any neighborhood meeting obviously if we're doing it at the time

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 of all the other notices there wouldn't be quite the complexity but you might

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 miss out also on the opportunity for somebody who wants to provide feedback

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 in a neighborhood meeting setting we are getting those neighborhood meetings

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 sometimes not as far in advance as we would like but we do send those out to

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 you all I think perceive the emails about neighborhood meetings that are

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 occurring and we could do something at the same time okay I think I made my

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 point now on timing but I think I think I think that it'll end up being sloppy

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 personally that if a developer gets it to you 48 hours in advance the developer

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 is not going to get the heat for not having notified everybody in time for

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 not knowing about the neighborhood meeting the city is going to catch it

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 and so it seems to be more efficient easier on you guys safer and still

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 provides the opportunity by saying at public notice but I'm open to hear

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 differences between there one item other question before I give it up the

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 integration of this process or those notifications with submission a public

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 comment is there going to be that type of integration where here's the

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 notification any type of response can be driven through here or do you want to

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 limit that just to those who are two hundred and five hundred even though

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 technically anybody who lives anywhere can make those those opinions known they

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 just don't necessarily get counted into the buffer rules yeah we would still

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 follow our same response process that we do now but I think you guys are

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 getting in your backups responses that we receive about any project so it would

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 be similar to that if we received a response from somebody who had been in

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 the opt-in we would provide that in your backup I'm just wondering about how you

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 integrate can you integrate that basically this is the simplistic stupid

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 way of my mind working in a link in there they said you want to provide

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 response click here and it pulls it up does the does the response and send

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 Smith's that in through the electronic submission system I don't know if you

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 guys have that integrated in there if there's a concern on that we hadn't

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 contemplated it it's something we can look into you okay that's all I got you

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 thank you Commissioner Smith other comments thoughts Commissioner Prout

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 thank you chair and I guess I understand that the goal is to keep effort light

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 but I do think that giving people that early opportunity at a neighborhood

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 meeting type setting is is crucial to get the input before the blood starts to

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 boil if you will I guess my question would be you know the signs that we put

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 up to physical signs at the site is the timing of the postings of that sign

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 something that we determine or is that something that's state law driven you

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 may take that state law does not require the posting of a sign on the property

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 okay all the state law requires is that we notify property owners within 200

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 feet the day before that I think it's the day before the 10th day preceding

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 the meeting is is think how that wording is but basically it's a 10-day mailed

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 notice and but signs are not required so and and then we require the stuff we

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 require so just just an idea to try to streamline it what if we were to amend

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 our sign posting requirements to say you must post the sign X number of days

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 before you have a neighborhood meeting and then you just use the the

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 notification from the developer that I've posted the sign now as the trigger

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 to send out the notices I think possibly the issue with that is a neighborhood

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 meeting is not required it's suggested so it's not a requirement that sure and

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 then it would fall back to our existing requirements of the timing of the sign

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 being posted for 30 days or whatever right being that we Charlie Haley do we

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 have specified in the ordinance the minimum number of days that the sign

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 has to be posted in the DDC it's not specified in the DDC it's a policy

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 document that we pass out to applicants that show them what the sign needs to

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 look like when it's going when it needs to be posted which I believe is 10 days

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 prior to the P&Z public hearing and then we have of course the affidavit that

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 they returned to us that we include in your backup that that verifies that they

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 have posted that in time okay so our policy is 10 the sign needs to be up 10

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 days prior correct so it's basically it syncs up with our mail notice

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 requirement yeah so if that timing doesn't work that's fine I was just

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 trying to think of some way to streamline it while still giving the

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 public the opportunity at those neighborhood meetings okay thanks

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 Commissioner Cole thank you chair all I really want to know is I'm worried about

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 you guys being overburdened because y'all your plate is full staff's plates

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 full so the only concern I have in your opinion would this be a burden is this

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 too much for you guys that's what I care about I mean you know y'all are under

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 enough is this add to that plate from from the noted notification process I

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 don't think it's gonna add that much to staffs plate but from the collection of

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 the need to respond to to people that have questions ever it's a result of the

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 opt-in it could be a lot on the planning staff you know it depending on how

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 many people opt-in for something like this if you're sending out hundreds of

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 notices a week in advance of a meeting then if we're having to collect those

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 responses and then analyze them respond and return it in your backup that's a

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 lot on the planning stuff I would concur and that's been one of our concerns as

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 we've developed this system and Charlie correct me if I'm wrong but because I

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 remember we've had we've had several discussions on this but I think we were

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 even discussing like limiting the number of times someone might be able to opt in

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 or a distance from a property because of for example if there's a project

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 happening in the southwest part of town but someone resides in the northeast

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 part of town you know would they the person in northeast part of town be able

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 to sign up for that project that's many miles away from where they live right

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 and so to try and help manage that because of being concerned of just us

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 getting inundated with with public comment but I can't recall where we

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 landed on that yeah I think that the buffer distance would be open the way

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 that we're looking at trying to decrease the possible in you know decrease the

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 possible increase but to do that would be to provide as much information as as

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 we can upfront to individuals so like I had mentioned before and I can pull this

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 up after the presentation to how somebody might go online search a project

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 and get information on where it's at and what kind of documents are attached to

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 it so that they have a little more information upfront and it's you know at

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 least then we don't have staff sending like here's here's the plans for this

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 one or it'll reduce some of those items

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 mr. Anderson thank you I wouldn't not like the idea of if somebody has a

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 property in the north side of town and not letting somebody on the south side

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 of town do that because you might have people who own rental properties that you

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 know want to know what's going on on their you know the rental properties they

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 have on the north side of town or the south or vice versa or you know on the

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 south side of town so I would advise against not allowing somebody to opt in

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 on just one section of area and because what if you know like I said property

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 owner a developer wants to know what's going on over there too because they

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 might have some property over there they want to develop and they don't want you

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 know you won't let them in because they don't live in that area you know what if

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 somebody out of town you know like a developer lives in Dallas that has some

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 property on that side of town that's that's near some property that's being

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 developed they want to know what's going on as well so I kind of I don't really

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 kind of like that idea to be honest so yeah and I guess I'll just add to this I

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 mean this what we're really talking about here is a notification right we're

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 not saying we've got to provide all of this information to these people all at

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 this time if they opt in for a project I would hope that they get a notification

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 of the project and then they get an idea of where they can go seek information on

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 it and put the onus on them to if they're interested this is the this is

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 the place you go here's the notification that it's happening here's the place

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 that you go and in that place that they go is the staff contact I assume if they

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 should have questions I mean is that am I following the logic and in how that how

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 this is gonna work yeah exactly that's that's the way we're visualizing it in

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 the email you know you would you would provide a link and then say here you can

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 you can go to view information about the project here you can find P&Z and city

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 council dates on this website too so included in this is redesign of our

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 active projects map and we've got a few items that we're gonna try to to clean

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 up there and make it a little more user friendly for the general public and then

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 that would include all of the information about the project as well

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 and then at what point Charlie are you thinking the notification of a project

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 would go out when it's set for an agenda already or at what point would you send

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 out that notification through this system before any type of community

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 meeting or public hearing is what what we're recommending how at the same time

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 of other notices okay so at the same time that you would be sending out

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 mailers you would be pinging this yep okay all right

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 anybody else with thoughts or comments okay did we help get you what you needed

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 to bring back to council yep I will provide the Commission's feedback to

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 City Council when we present on May 3rd okay and then real quickly I just wanted

442
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:46,480
 to highlight the eTrackIt website so if you go on our land development page and

443
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:52,960
 you go to eTrackIt you're able here to search for a project and you can search

444
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:58,920
 project number here so this is what we would is this what you would point them

445
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:04,520
 to yeah we would provide links out to the active projects map and in this page

446
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:10,840
 and they would be integrated with the solution of the active projects map so

447
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:15,160
 they can find some site info contact information mm-hmm that's great all right

448
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:22,080
 thank you all thank you too okay that'll bring us to our next work

449
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:35,760
 session report which is 2B PZ 22075 I believe Haley is presenting that good

450
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:41,440
 evening again Haley Zagorski so this is just a quick update for you all last

451
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,160
 year you know we went through a series of of planning boot camps or training

452
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:50,120
 sessions we covered a variety of kind of high-level topics last year regarding

453
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:55,160
 just planning in general zoning and variances the shot clock we covered a

454
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,000
 couple of times so we don't want to repeat those topics necessarily unless

455
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,960
 there's just a particular interest in them but we are looking to continue just

456
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,560
 some some educational work sessions for you all to to give you a variety of

457
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,160
 topics and discussions so this is the tentative list that we've pulled

458
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,520
 together of things that we thought you all might be interested in or things

459
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,000
 that you've indicated through the matrix that you would like a future discussion

460
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:22,100
 on so some of these for example annexation parking drainage and

461
00:38:22,100 --> 00:38:25,700
 transportation topics we've heard through the matrix portion of the agenda

462
00:38:25,700 --> 00:38:28,880
 that you all have an interest in so we've slated those in for some tentative

463
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:33,320
 dates over the coming months as well as some some additional topics for example

464
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,720
 the city's municipal utility district policy will be going to City Council so

465
00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:40,440
 we thought that would be something that you all might also have an interest in

466
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,720
 so we'd like to bring that forward so this is like I said our tentative work

467
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:47,760
 schedule for the year we wanted to get some feedback to make sure that there's

468
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,640
 not something that we've completely missed that you all are interested in a

469
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,640
 discussion on or any of these that you might just say you know what we were not

470
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:59,360
 interested in a discussion on that topic so simply just looking for feedback to

471
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,760
 see if if we have a nod of approval to move forward with this or if there's

472
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:09,480
 something else that you all would like slated on this agenda thoughts

473
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:15,760
 Commissioner Pruitt thank you chair now I think this list looks fantastic I

474
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,760
 really thank staff for putting thought and effort into this I think it

475
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:25,960
 incorporates some of the things that we've heard in a lot of our time over

476
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:35,400
 this last year only thing that I would ask is I know we talked a lot about we

477
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:43,000
 had that one boot camp item about sustainable environmental impacts to

478
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:50,200
 specific pieces of land right like riparian areas etc and and I don't know

479
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,920
 that this is the direction that's going because I haven't been following the

480
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,720
 sustainability framework committee all that closely but maybe as we get into

481
00:39:57,720 --> 00:40:04,000
 next year if there are goals through that sustainable framework that are

482
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:10,060
 impacted by land use decisions as opposed to you know how a riparian area

483
00:40:10,060 --> 00:40:16,480
 changes but things that that may not effects that may not be an effect of the

484
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:22,120
 land but an effect of air quality or other goals that that framework has and

485
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:27,840
 is looking at I'd be interested to understand what impact the land use

486
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:32,880
 decisions have on those things so that we can make sure we're aligned okay yeah

487
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:41,040
 we can certainly look into that anybody else everybody like the upcoming topics

488
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:49,000
 I'm sorry I'm gonna miss some of them be here for part of that anyway I'm

489
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,440
 thinking about it I just say yeah there's some that you would like to see

490
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:56,000
 before before August you can let us know okay that sounds good well and I think

491
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:01,320
 we also tried to be strategic in what we calendared and when because of a couple

492
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:06,480
 projects that we have going on but yeah we're open I mean if there's something

493
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,440
 that you feel like you would like to have sooner than later I mean let us

494
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:15,720
 know we were also trying to take into consideration if we have any new

495
00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:23,400
 appointees to the Planning Commission in the timing of that would occur so so

496
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:27,160
 that kind of influenced our decision on some of those items but again we're here

497
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:34,240
 to respond to requests that you all have made Commissioner Smith I know there's

498
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:38,560
 gonna be a hot button discussion item on an affordable housing project that's

499
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:44,760
 coming off of Sanders and Country Club I believe so I don't know I know housing

500
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,640
 affordability is a 2023 item but I don't know if that's possibly discussion for

501
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,280
 earlier if it gets that point or if there's been developments in that

502
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:56,040
 project since the neighborhood was originally notified so I'm not sure

503
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,920
 what's going on with that specific project other than it's still in

504
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,560
 discussion and will likely come forward at some point in the future as a zoning

505
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,000
 request but we can certainly look into moving that up we were thinking just

506
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,440
 general topics that affect affordability like our development regulations parking

507
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,880
 standards things of that nature and how they relate to affordable housing so if

508
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,680
 that's of interest we can we can look at moving that up to get to it this year

509
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:22,280
 that and then including in that project once again it's possible topic and maybe

510
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:27,800
 that doesn't even come up maybe it's not even needed till 2023 but I think including the

511
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:32,720
 the the process of going through City Council for the inspection of being able

512
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:35,760
 to do that and how the housing credit or that the tax abatements work within that

513
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:45,040
 would be helpful as well certainly great anything else looks great Haley thank

514
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:50,920
 you all right thank you all appreciate it okay that is the end of our work

515
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:55,480
 session report so we will get on to clarification of our agenda items for

516
00:42:55,480 --> 00:43:00,960
 this evening first one is our minutes for April 13th are there any

517
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:10,680
 clarifications needed on the minutes okay we'll go into items for individual

518
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:18,640
 consideration there's an election of chair and vice chair I'm gonna let maybe

519
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:24,720
 Tina reference why we're doing that sure thing thank you you're welcome so it was

520
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:27,400
 brought to our attention by the city secretary's office that apparently we

521
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,360
 need to be doing this in January so we're playing catch-up with some of our

522
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:36,200
 boards and commissions so this evening we will need to have nominations for

523
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,640
 election of a chair and then following that we would do the vice chair but it's

524
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:45,280
 just to get us in in compliance with the the city secretary's office if you don't

525
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:55,120
 mind questions comments so your mission or call it just seems like we did this

526
00:43:55,120 --> 00:44:03,560
 just a couple months ago and and and understand your concern and and also we

527
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:08,560
 actually staff the planning team tried to advocate for potentially doing this

528
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:12,960
 later in the year because we know technically Commissioner Ellis is is

529
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:18,360
 termed out come this August so so we'll yeah potentially be doing this again

530
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:23,640
 depending upon what the results of tonight are but is but so we understand

531
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,840
 like I said we understand we tried to advocate for a timing that we thought

532
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,160
 would be in the better interest of the planning and zoning Commission but I was

533
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:37,600
 told no so to me it seems like yeah this is we're doing this twice a year that's

534
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:45,160
 what it seems like we're doing January and September so well and I'm happy to

535
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,880
 have a conversation and with the city secretary's office also maybe in the

536
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,440
 future about could we better align the timing associated with this because if

537
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:57,800
 we are finding ourselves doing this twice a year then their office may not

538
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,880
 be fully aware of that and keep in mind we have many boards and commissions that

539
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,320
 are throughout the city and so I know they're trying to probably have a more

540
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:09,080
 standardized process because they're trying to keep up with them all and so

541
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:13,000
 but I know their their desires to have there should have happened in January so

542
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,360
 but hence why we've got on the agenda tonight okay

543
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,640
 Commissioner Smith I think in aligning with thank you chair I think in aligning

544
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:24,880
 with terms for board for commission members makes more sense rather than

545
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,240
 calendar year since essentially what will happen is that if there's ever a

546
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:32,680
 time like what would happen in this September of this year then whoever is

547
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,780
 elected chair and vice-chair at that time will then have to also do an

548
00:45:35,780 --> 00:45:40,840
 election January of 2023 so we're gonna and then and then depending upon it gets

549
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,680
 elected there if their term ends and that next September then it's being done

550
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:48,480
 again and so it might be a line it up with term limits that makes more sense

551
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:54,800
 for those so yeah so here I think we're doing something the secretary says we

552
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,720
 need to do so that's why it's on our agenda tonight and then Tina if you can

553
00:45:57,720 --> 00:46:01,680
 maybe have a future discussion down the road and see if this makes what makes

554
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:10,200
 sense for future PNC's okay anything else on that okay let's move to item B

555
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:16,340
 which is FP two two zero zero one two Julie did you want to come up and say a

556
00:46:16,340 --> 00:46:28,920
 few words about that item good evening Julie Wyatt senior planner let me pull

557
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:36,880
 up the presentation all right this is a final plot within the Robeson ranch plan

558
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:43,320
 development district they do have so it's for a new residential unit it is

559
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:48,280
 consistent with the with the PD they do have some items that they need to

560
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:53,240
 correct on that final plat so they have requested an extension to the May 5th PNC

561
00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:58,280
 meeting and I'll be happy to answer any questions thank you Julie any questions

562
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,800
 on that item

563
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:13,480
 commissioner Cole yes on my map I can't see property owners to the north do you

564
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:21,720
 have I'm worried that this might be close to Coe Ranch okay I can pull up a

565
00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:29,640
 map absolutely yeah for me so I don't I want to do everything right so I'd like

566
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:34,200
 to know where this is absolutely yes exactly if it's gonna be boarding our

567
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,400
 fence lines I didn't know that absolutely I can do that yes thank you

568
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:47,280
 so much anything else okay thanks Julie so you've got the next one anyway this

569
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:53,440
 one is also Robeson ranch this is FP 22 13 it is just for a piece of that Robeson

570
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:59,160
 Ranch Boulevard that's just extending that road a bit to the north once again

571
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:03,760
 there was a preliminary plat approved on this they do have some items they do

572
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:08,040
 need to correct on the final plat so they have requested an extension to the

573
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:16,520
 May 25th PNC meeting any questions on this one thank you very much our next

574
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:26,900
 item is PP 2 2 0 0 0 8 it is Lisa Payne's item preliminary plan I believe

575
00:48:26,900 --> 00:48:33,680
 we're got an extension request on but I will let her present hi Lisa good

576
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:39,880
 evening Lisa pain and this is for a multifamily project that's east of I 35

577
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:44,840
 it's a preliminary plot staff does recommend denial right now but the

578
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:49,680
 applicant has requested an extension for 30 days to the May 25th meeting and

579
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:55,080
 staff has no objection to that thanks Lisa any questions right now for Lisa on

580
00:48:55,080 --> 00:49:05,640
 this one thank you very much our next item on the agenda is ZCP 21 0 0 3 1

581
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:17,560
 that is Karina's item hello let me just pull up my presentation

582
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:30,080
 all right this will be an abbreviated presentation but I have additional

583
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,880
 slides so if you have questions please feel free to ask me and I'll pull those

584
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:38,980
 slides up so the request tonight is going to be for a site plan for razor

585
00:49:38,980 --> 00:49:47,360
 ranch retail center so ZCP 21 - 0 0 3 1 so just quick overview the request today

586
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,880
 is to consider approval of a site plan for a fifty seven point seventy four

587
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:59,200
 acre retail development located in the south campus of the razor ranch overlay

588
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:05,080
 district specifically within the town center or our one sub area and these are

589
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:12,820
 our two sub area so just to orient yourself on the screen the thoroughfare

590
00:50:12,820 --> 00:50:18,200
 that's going through the middle is West University on the north side is the

591
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:23,040
 marketplace where y'all had that item for the Home Depot so this request is

592
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:27,880
 actually on the south side of West University Drive so you'll see within

593
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:33,280
 this buffered area it was it's a weird lot so I didn't want to specifically

594
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:40,680
 outline it but it is located within the rr1 and south rr2 sub areas so the

595
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:44,200
 reason that you're getting this request today is because the razor ranch overlay

596
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:49,540
 district does require P&Z to approve all new development or site plans for all

597
00:50:49,540 --> 00:50:54,160
 new developments in the south campus so that's why the request is coming today

598
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:58,560
 here is just a brief screenshot of what that looks like this is just the color

599
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:02,720
 rendering all those specific site plans and landscape plans are in the in the

600
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:08,200
 agenda packet so staff is recommending approval as it does comply with the

601
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:14,440
 criteria for approval for site plans in the in the overlay district so with that

602
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:18,080
 I can answer any specific questions related to the site plans landscape

603
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:24,240
 plans concept plans any questions that y'all have thanks Karina do we have

604
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:31,160
 questions for Karina on this item I do not see it and I know you've got the

605
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,880
 full presentation that will say I do I won't give her the full presentation at

606
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:38,280
 the regular meeting perfect thank you very much all right guys that takes us

607
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:45,560
 to our public hearing item for the evening z 21 0 0 1 7 and I will bring

608
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:53,040
 yep Lisa pain back up and we can get questions answered on this is recusing

609
00:51:53,040 --> 00:52:03,800
 himself from this item we'll see you after I'm also going to do an abbreviated

610
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,800
 version of my presentation but y'all are welcome to ask me questions of course

611
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:12,720
 about it and this is the arm squared track which is also known as Baker

612
00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:19,080
 Ranch and this is a property that they want to go from our art to Li the future

613
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:25,760
 land use is light industrial as approved in the 2040 comprehensive plan and the

614
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:32,160
 property around it as you can see in the this is the future land use map which

615
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:38,520
 has light industrial all around it and light blue and the light yellow is for

616
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:44,440
 low residential and then over here's the zoning map it's got rural residential

617
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:48,240
 over here and the in the green light industrial here in the light blue and

618
00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:55,040
 this light greenish bluish color is a general office and I can take any

619
00:52:55,040 --> 00:53:01,080
 questions about anything the applicants also here what questions do we have for

620
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:09,680
 Lisa on this I hit okay Commissioner Pruitt thank you chair I guess and maybe

621
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:13,640
 the full presentation gets into this and if so that's fine I can wait until till

622
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:23,760
 then looking at the map and it looks it's a the railroad track sort of on the

623
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:29,120
 east side of it right and so I was trying to envision where the the mobility

624
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:32,780
 of I'm assuming light industrial may have some truck traffic and that sort of

625
00:53:32,780 --> 00:53:35,840
 thing might might go so if that's something that we're already planning on

626
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:40,080
 covering that's that's fine I'll wait if it's not do we have any information

627
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:44,520
 about that so I was gonna let the applicant do a lot of that stuff because

628
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,880
 okay you know the plan itself you know this is strictly for the zoning right

629
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,400
 not actually planned they do have a concept plan that was included in your

630
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,360
 packet but I didn't want to say any definite about what would actually

631
00:53:53,360 --> 00:54:00,000
 happen but their plan is to come off of mosh branch also have an entrance on

632
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:05,920
 lovers Lane that future entrance on lovers Lane is supposed to 288 the

633
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:11,920
 future 28 supposed to go across there to be the new access there but mosh branch

634
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:17,600
 is supposed to be their main entrance exit they purposely are not having any

635
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:25,240
 direct access to Hampton okay thank you yes but it's not like you can stop

636
00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:29,560
 people from using Hampton no of course any of the other streets off of

637
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:35,800
 university to get that way to expand on that a little bit and the applicant has

638
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:41,680
 spoken with the city and their their plan is to rather than it improving

639
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:46,560
 Hampton with their impact these to improve mosh branch instead going down

640
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:52,640
 to 380 to encourage the 18 wheelers to use that route to go directly from 380

641
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:57,120
 to mosh branch directly into the development rather than going another

642
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:07,680
 way through the neighborhood right other questions before I ask a few where where

643
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:13,920
 do we stand with the parcel of land that is not being considered for rezoning do

644
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:18,760
 you have any updates on that so the latest that that part that piece of

645
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:24,720
 property originally the applicant proposed to the residents that he held

646
00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:30,040
 neighborhood meeting with that he would build a park there and then dedicated to

647
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:36,360
 the city basically to do that as a way to create a permanent buffer so they'd

648
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:42,520
 be that much further away from any warehouse use as the time has gone on

649
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:48,720
 people have met the most recent is that the people that live around there are

650
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:53,960
 not interested in a park they would rather have it just be ag land there is

651
00:55:53,960 --> 00:56:00,680
 someone who is willing to buy that property from the applicant and just

652
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:06,160
 have it just ag with cows and that's it the applicant has said that they are

653
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:11,800
 willing to do a deed restriction that would only allow our uses for 25 years

654
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:17,520
 and so that's where that stands on that but the applicant is willing he's still

655
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:23,680
 willing to do the park if that's what the city would like but he also wants to

656
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:32,680
 protect the residents that live there um yeah the issue that I'm having the

657
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:37,160
 biggest issue that I'm having here is why wouldn't pursue maybe like a PD with

658
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:43,080
 this particular parcel I get how pretty it fits in with future land use and the

659
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:48,280
 colors and all that and ally but you know we're dealing with a very special

660
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:54,400
 community in our city that's been there for a very long time and and I'm

661
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,640
 interested in in the protection that that they are getting and if we open

662
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:05,240
 this up to just a straight rezoning to Li yes their concept plan looks very nice

663
00:57:05,240 --> 00:57:10,580
 we have no idea if that's actually going to develop or not or even if that

664
00:57:10,580 --> 00:57:14,680
 develop and down the road becomes something else I mean it opens it up to

665
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:21,520
 everything that Li can allow so I guess I just want some feedback from you as

666
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:26,400
 you were reviewing this why we didn't maybe consider that or maybe it was

667
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:32,160
 considered and talked about I don't know and for this there we didn't find a

668
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:37,640
 reason for that to go to PD as as you might have one or two reasons that that

669
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:43,560
 maybe you want them sorry my words um basically there they don't have a whole

670
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,800
 list of things that they're trying to change about the zoning like what they

671
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:52,920
 want to do is going to comply with the zoning that they're requesting it's not

672
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,400
 like they're going to change many things about the landscaping or the building

673
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:02,480
 design or anything like that so what they want to do does comply with it I

674
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,960
 think this is probably just coming up because of the that extra piece of

675
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:11,600
 property that is it going to be parked is it going to be ag how much is it

676
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:16,440
 going to actually protect the neighbors or not well for me it comes up because

677
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:20,240
 with the zoning change I mean that a concept plan is not tied to a zoning

678
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:24,040
 change the zoning changes is changed it really doesn't matter what kind of

679
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:28,240
 presentation we get even tonight on the concept because it's not tied to what

680
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:34,320
 we're doing that's that's why I'm bringing it up because if it doesn't

681
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:40,360
 make for whatever reason and that happens all the time what could it

682
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:46,560
 possibly be if it doesn't happen to be this concept plan so I'll leave it at

683
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:54,520
 that Commissioner Villarreal I guess my question is about the the I know he

684
00:58:54,520 --> 00:59:00,400
 mentioned that they would rather have pasture over park but who did he speak

685
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:05,240
 to how many neighbors responded and said they would rather have a pasture than a

686
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:09,200
 park that's kind of confusing me a bit so and Smith who lives in the

687
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:13,600
 neighborhood and I've been told is kind of the leader I've been told that she

688
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:17,560
 went door-to-door and talked to 40 of the neighbors and 39 of them said that

689
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:21,040
 they would rather have the pasture than the park they're the reason that at

690
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:25,080
 first the park sounded good the more they thought about it the more that they

691
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:30,720
 were concerned about possible homeless tent camps also parking they did not

692
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:34,560
 want a parking lot at the park but they also did not want anyone parking along

693
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:38,920
 Hampton or their neighborhood streets so basically that would make it where's a

694
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:42,720
 park just for them to walk to which is fine that would make it within the 10

695
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:49,280
 mile radius for the parks which is part of their plan but so that

696
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:54,720
 eventually just became we don't want it to become a problem in one way or the

697
00:59:54,720 --> 01:00:00,560
 other so we'd rather just stay the way that it is I think the issue from how I

698
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:04,480
 understand it is they didn't want a public park because that that's in it's

699
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,880
 inviting more traffic through the neighborhood it's invite I mean it's it's

700
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:13,960
 it's not really helping the rural way that they have been living yeah the

701
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:18,800
 proposed part was simply a linear park that did not have gathering spaces but

702
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:23,360
 it still could invite other people that don't live in the area to come there of

703
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:31,140
 course anything else thank you Tina did you have something to add I think I

704
01:00:31,140 --> 01:00:35,680
 interrupted you I just was when you mentioned something and was wanting to

705
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:39,560
 get some clarification on so I know you expressed concern or made a statement

706
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:43,360
 regarding concern maybe some of the land uses that are allowed within the light

707
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:48,680
 industrial district so are there uses in particular or just the the potential

708
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:53,480
 intensity just was hoping to maybe learn a little more from you about that well I

709
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:59,560
 mean there yeah there were several from yeah other I have a list where housing

710
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:07,120
 and food processing and okay auto repair and gas stations and I mean there's

711
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:11,520
 several I mean I I don't have them all in front of you no no no no no no well

712
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:18,840
 and I want to make sure because my what I was reading between the lines was

713
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:22,440
 concern regarding potential intensity of land uses because you're right and and I

714
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,000
 appreciate you looking at this holistically because when we have a

715
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:29,480
 request to rezone property to a certain district while the applicant may have a

716
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:32,560
 desire of focusing on one particular land use to be able to develop in this

717
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:36,040
 case potentially warehouses on the property the LA district does allow for

718
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:40,560
 a wider variety of uses so you know as Lisa mentioned we did not consider plan

719
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:43,940
 development district the applicant was requesting a straight zoning associated

720
01:01:43,940 --> 01:01:48,560
 with this the uses that are allowed within the light industrial district are

721
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:53,300
 uses that that are you know commonly found when property their zone light

722
01:01:53,300 --> 01:01:58,000
 industrial the the proposed rezoning is consistent with our comprehensive plan

723
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:03,320
 recommendations in that area but so we did not you know we did not consider

724
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:10,000
 trying to limit the uses within that area the if the Commission is concerned

725
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,260
 regarding the uses that are allowed within the light industrial zoning

726
01:02:13,260 --> 01:02:17,640
 district you know another option is to can consider a different zoning category

727
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:21,680
 for that property one of the things that we were discussing today as a result of

728
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:25,660
 some of the inquiries were receiving was the general office district the general

729
01:02:25,660 --> 01:02:28,540
 office district does allow for warehousing operations associated with

730
01:02:28,540 --> 01:02:33,760
 that it's considered of you know a more restrictive or lesser intensive uses I

731
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:37,520
 don't know if we've had an opportunity to have a conversation with the

732
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,680
 applicant to fully understand the uses that are allowed in geo whether or not

733
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:46,760
 that would be meet their needs as well given that they've requested the LI the

734
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:51,200
 general office district does have some more specific site design considerations

735
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:54,000
 that would come into play which from what I understand in talking with the

736
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:58,920
 team it's predominantly associated with landscaping greater tree coverage

737
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:03,480
 associated with it and I think it's about a 10% increase if if member

738
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:07,520
 searchman correctly associated with that but geo district does allow for

739
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:12,880
 warehousing distribution type uses so I'm not sure if if that is something

740
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:17,560
 that the that the Commission is deemed more favorable of I know we've had some

741
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:20,240
 other light industrial zoning cases that have come before you where you've

742
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:25,640
 requested consideration of the geo district and instead of the LI so the

743
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:29,600
 you know again we evaluated this based upon what the applicant submitted it was

744
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:34,160
 consistent with our comprehensive plan the the unique element associated with

745
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:38,280
 this request was the fact that the applicant was proposing to include that

746
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:42,400
 buffer on the south side but it was not being included as part of this zoning

747
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:46,120
 request so ultimately being that it's not part of that you know it would

748
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:50,440
 retain its existing zoning that's in place and until some future owner decided

749
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,720
 to come through and do something with the property we thought we had a

750
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:58,840
 potential solution with respect to a public park being there and and keep in

751
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:02,560
 mind not necessarily all public parks are actively programmed for recreational

752
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:06,240
 purposes this may have been something a little more linear in nature given the

753
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:11,160
 the way the the strip of land was being left but obviously the residents have

754
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:15,680
 expressed a concern associated with that so our our analysis is based upon what

755
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:21,160
 is shown outlined in yellow on that aerial and the the buffer that was just

756
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:24,120
 an additional benefit especially if it was going to be dedicated as a public

757
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:27,480
 part but at the end of the day we focused our analysis on on the area of

758
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:31,960
 the request and I'll add to that that I did speak with the applicant about the

759
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:35,960
 possibility of going to a different zoning district if that came up tonight

760
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:41,440
 and I'll let him expand on it later on but he did say that that's not something

761
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:46,520
 that they would be interested in the developer needs their requirement is

762
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:50,400
 that they have at least an industrial zoning or they're not their company does

763
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:54,600
 not allow them to construct on that property okay so not that this is tied

764
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:58,960
 to a specific developer it's just the land but the one that's planning to come

765
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:02,840
 in again who's requesting it sure yeah that makes sense and obviously they will

766
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:07,680
 be here with a presentation and you will have a fuller presentation okay for work

767
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:12,040
 session do we have any other questions to work out Commissioner Perrett thank

768
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:18,480
 you I guess coming going back to what chair Ellis mentioned before about how

769
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:23,560
 this is just the zoning and then there's the strip to the south that's separate

770
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:29,480
 right it may help our discussions go a little bit smoother if we understand

771
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:36,760
 what the options are in order to ensure both of those pieces happen options for

772
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:43,560
 what Commissioner Perrett well for for our direction going forward right it in

773
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:47,560
 other words right now it's it's a concept that it sounds like the the

774
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:51,280
 applicant would be amenable to a deed restriction and then there's some plans

775
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:58,080
 in place like we're not really discussing the parcel to the southeast in

776
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:02,920
 this in what we're talking in what we're voting on today I just wondered I just

777
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:07,480
 wanted to know where we stood but that's not anything that's going to be handled

778
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:17,800
 in our decision today okay understood thank you anything else okay thanks Lisa

779
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:22,480
 thank you we'll see you at the meeting okay okay that takes us to the end of

780
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:27,560
 our agenda so I will close our work session at 5 36 p.m. and we will be in

781
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:34,560
 council chambers at 630 thanks good evening and welcome to the city of

782
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:40,280
 Denton's planning and zoning Commission meeting for Wednesday April 27th 2022 I

783
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:46,400
 will call us with a quorum present to order at 630 p.m. our first item of

784
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:52,160
 business is say the Pledge of Allegiance to the US and Texas flags

785
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:04,480
 Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and

786
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:24,440
 justice for all our next item on the agenda is the approval of the planning

787
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:29,080
 zoning mission minutes from April 13th Commissioner Smith make a motion to

788
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:34,100
 approve Commissioner Villarreal we have a first and a second for approval of the

789
01:07:34,100 --> 01:07:44,720
 minutes from April 13th any discussion okay let's vote on the board please that

790
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:50,400
 motion carries seven zero that takes us to our individual consideration items

791
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:56,960
 taking us to 3a and that is the election of chair and vice chair for the planning

792
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:00,840
 and zoning Commissioner Commissioner Smith make a motion to appoint Margie

793
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:05,240
 Ellis chair for the plan zoning Commission thank you Commissioner

794
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:09,800
 Smith Commissioner Anderson I second we have a first and a second any other

795
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:24,840
 nominations any discussion okay we can vote on the board please motion carries

796
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:33,280
 seven zero thank you Commissioner Pruitt move to appoint Tim Smith as vice chair

797
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:39,280
 Commissioner Cole second we have a first and a second to appoint Commissioner

798
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:47,320
 Smith vice chair of PNC any discussion other nominations okay let's vote on the

799
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:59,800
 board please motion carries seven zero our next item is FP 2 2 0 0 1 2 and I

800
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:09,400
 will invite Julie Wyatt up to the podium hi Julie all right hi I'm Julie Wyatt

801
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:15,840
 senior planner with the City of Denton and I am presenting FP 22 - 0 0 1 2 this

802
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:20,060
 is a single-family residential phase within the ropes and ranch plan

803
01:09:20,060 --> 01:09:25,120
 development they do have some items they still need to work through and so they

804
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:29,600
 have requested an extension to the May 25th meeting and staff has no objection

805
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:36,640
 thank you Julie any questions for Julie Commissioner Smith make a motion to

806
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:41,200
 approve the extension to date certain of May 25th 2022 Commissioner Cole second

807
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:45,080
 okay we've got a first and a second to approve that extension request to a date

808
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:55,800
 certain of May 25th any discussion okay let's vote on the board please that

809
01:09:55,800 --> 01:10:03,320
 motion carries seven zero taking us to FP 2 2 0 0 1 3 hello Julie all right

810
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:07,800
 we're gonna stay in the ropes and ranch community this is for a final plat for a

811
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:14,040
 section of the Robeson Boulevard roadway this is a private street within the plan

812
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:18,200
 development once again they have some items they still need to correct on this

813
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:22,920
 final plat and so staff they have requested an extension to the May 25th

814
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:28,760
 meeting and staff has no objection thank you Julie any questions for Julie

815
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:33,480
 thank you Commissioner Villarreal I move to approve the extension to a date

816
01:10:33,480 --> 01:10:38,160
 certain of May 25th 2022 okay we've got a first to approve that extension request

817
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:41,560
 Commissioner Anderson second we've got a first and a second to approve the

818
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:47,600
 extension request to a date certain of May 25th any discussion okay let's vote

819
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:57,200
 on the board please that motion carries seven zero that will take us to 3d PP 2

820
01:10:57,200 --> 01:11:04,800
 2 0 0 0 8 I'll invite Lisa pain up for a presentation hi Lisa good evening

821
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:09,880
 commissioners Lisa pain principal player for the city of Denton this is for a

822
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:14,960
 preliminary plat for a multifamily development that's east I'm sorry west

823
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:21,800
 of I 35 e the staff recommends denial on this plot as it has not yet met the

824
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:27,120
 criteria for approval but the applicant has requested an extension to May 25th

825
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:35,760
 PNZ meeting and stuff has no objection any questions for Lisa on this item do

826
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:39,200
 not see any Lisa thank you Commissioner Villarreal I move to approve the

827
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:44,400
 extension to a date certain of May 25th 2022 Commissioner Smith second okay we've

828
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:47,880
 got a first and a second to approve the extension request to a date certain of

829
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:57,880
 May 25th any discussion okay seeing none let's vote on the board please that

830
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:07,520
 motion carries seven zero that will take us to 3e ZCP 2 1 0 0 31 hi Karina

831
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:12,720
 right good evening Karina Maldonado transportation planner let me just pull

832
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:21,160
 up my presentation thank you all right good evening the request today is for

833
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:28,160
 ZCP 2 1 dash 0 0 3 1 this is for the razor ranch retail center so just very

834
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:32,560
 briefly a summary the request the request today is to consider approval of

835
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:37,120
 a site plan for a fifty seven point seven four acre retail development

836
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:42,200
 located in the south campus of the razor ranch overlay district specifically the

837
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:49,640
 town center rr1 sub area and south rr2 sub areas of the overlay district this

838
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:53,440
 is coming before you today because the razor ranch overlay district requires P&Z

839
01:12:53,440 --> 01:12:59,120
 approval for all new developments in the south campus so that is here located on

840
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:06,120
 the south side of West University Drive so just going over the site very quickly

841
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:13,320
 it is currently approximately a 57 point fifty seven point seventy four acre lot

842
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:19,840
 so that is lot 10 r2 of the razor ranch town center addition it's located within

843
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:25,920
 two sub areas as you can see on the screen that is this general location at

844
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:32,680
 the southeast corner of I-35 and West University Drive the specific lot is kind

845
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:37,320
 of located here I kind of like to refer to it as a stingray lot and it looks

846
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:42,840
 sort of like a little stingray it does have a base zoning based in the 2002

847
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:49,080
 Denton Development Code and zoning which is the RCCD district that district does

848
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:55,160
 permit retail restaurant professional services within this area of the the

849
01:13:55,160 --> 01:14:01,720
 overlay district per the razor ranch ordinances specifically ordinance 2016

850
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:09,400
 - zero one seven the subject site must comply with exhibits c1 d1 and e1 of the

851
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:15,280
 razor ranch overlay district this site plan consideration does include elements

852
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:23,800
 including a site plan a landscape plan as well as four sited elevations so just

853
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:27,960
 going over the site plan very briefly on the screen you'll see the actual

854
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:34,880
 entirety of lot 10 r2 however the proposal currently is for phase one of

855
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:42,560
 that development so as you can see the two sub areas are shown the south rr2

856
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:48,760
 sub areas is that which is shown in yellow in pink would be the town center

857
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:54,360
 sub area and then the subject site or phase one of the subject site is located

858
01:14:54,360 --> 01:15:02,320
 within that dashed area so phase one does propose or it does encompass 31.44

859
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:06,600
 acres of the entire lot so it's not the entirety of the law but just a portion of

860
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:11,440
 it on the northern side it does include eight buildings totaling a maximum

861
01:15:11,440 --> 01:15:15,440
 building footprint of two hundred and ninety nine thousand eight hundred and

862
01:15:15,440 --> 01:15:20,320
 ninety four square feet that is the maximum square footage so you'll see

863
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:23,760
 there's kind of a dashed line the buildings that are shown look slightly

864
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:27,440
 smaller but they intend to have some sort of expansion so that square footage

865
01:15:27,440 --> 01:15:32,680
 is related to the maximum square footage all buildings would have would be less

866
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:36,960
 than 46 feet maximum height the overlay district allows a hundred feet so

867
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:42,880
 they're well below those requirements to serve the development they're proposing

868
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:47,120
 one thousand two hundred ninety nine vehicular spaces to accommodate the

869
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:51,720
 retail or other permitted uses which would include restaurant and professional

870
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:55,680
 services the reason why you're seeing that listed even though this is a retail

871
01:15:55,680 --> 01:16:01,240
 development is just to let you know that you know in the future if this develops

872
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:04,200
 and they have their tenants there's always the possibility that the tenants

873
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:08,760
 would change and these are the permitted uses and it would not affect to their

874
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:14,760
 total proposed parking so just wanted to make that clarification the razor ranch

875
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:19,040
 overlay district does permit the minimum parking to be exceeded so there's no

876
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:22,960
 maximum and so you'll see that what they're proposing is above the minimum

877
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:30,800
 requirement last they are taking access from I-35 from the frontage road of I-35

878
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:35,320
 that's an existing driveway as well as an existing driveways off of West

879
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:40,200
 University Drive and so as you can see on here there's one two and three

880
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:46,240
 driveway accesses that are currently existing this is the town center signal

881
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:49,960
 that currently exists today so that would be their main drive going into the

882
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:55,960
 site other things to consider the overlay district for this area does

883
01:16:55,960 --> 01:17:01,960
 require bike-ped connectivity within the site so what you'll see here I should

884
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:06,200
 have highlighted it better but I'll kind of show you with my mouse through the

885
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:12,200
 center of the site is the main drive there is an east-west main drive as well

886
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:16,240
 as one on the the western side those have all been widened to 30 feet to

887
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:21,480
 accommodate cyclists in that area as well as signage there's additional

888
01:17:21,480 --> 01:17:27,960
 pedestrian connections within the retail site and it stubs out to the south so

889
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:32,760
 that future phase two would continue that connectivity and eventually serve

890
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:37,800
 the multifamily developments that are existing in the razor ranch overlay area

891
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:43,440
 so another key thing to note is phase two will submit a separate zoning

892
01:17:43,440 --> 01:17:47,880
 compliance plan so you'll see that in the future once they submit for for that

893
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:53,400
 application and a key thing to note is that lot coverage this is following the

894
01:17:53,400 --> 01:18:00,200
 2002 code lot coverage would be combined for phase one and phase two so you'll

895
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:06,360
 see that the maximum lot coverage is 90% and they're not exceeding that

896
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:09,600
 currently but the two phases would combine to make sure that they don't

897
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:15,600
 exceed that so jumping into the landscape plan I've just provided you

898
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:19,880
 the color rendering because it was easier to show than the multiple plan

899
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:26,760
 sheets but they are proposing 31% landscape area 13% tree canopy coverage

900
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:33,280
 so far on the entire lot again these are these are based on the lot area versus

901
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:38,800
 the phase area so one thing to note is that the minimum tree canopy required is

902
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:45,040
 25% and they'll be required to meet that minimum with phase one and phase two so

903
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:50,040
 you'll see that it's less than 25 percent however combined they would they

904
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:54,800
 would be required to meet that additionally they're providing as

905
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:58,400
 required by the ordinance at least they're providing nineteen point five

906
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:03,840
 percent patio and open space these are kind of spaces located between the

907
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:09,360
 buildings so there would be seating areas the pedestrian areas count towards

908
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:15,920
 their open space eight foot sidewalks with kind of benches and seating so

909
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:20,520
 you'll see that each building has a kind of a wider pedestrian area and that

910
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:25,520
 counts towards our open space as with the other requirements phase one and

911
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:31,280
 phase two will need to maintain a minimum of 15% so you'll see while

912
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:35,360
 they're showing nineteen point five percent when phase two comes in they'll

913
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:40,680
 show you an updated percentage that needs to maintain the minimum phase one

914
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:44,920
 does comply with all other requirements of the landscape ordinance or design

915
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:49,000
 standards which includes that eight eleven percent of the parking lot is

916
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:54,560
 landscaped they're exceeding parking lot canopy and that 21% of the parking lot

917
01:19:54,560 --> 01:20:00,480
 has tree canopy and street trees are provided as required so this is just a

918
01:20:00,480 --> 01:20:04,480
 couple elevations of the proposed development of the eight buildings I

919
01:20:04,480 --> 01:20:10,680
 didn't provide all of them but they're fairly similar in style so the main

920
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:15,800
 area that key kind of once you go into the main drive what you'll see is is

921
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:22,720
 this portion here the main drive cuts through between the proposed Macy's and

922
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:27,160
 at home and again this is just for conceptual elevations the tenants may

923
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:31,240
 change in the future so don't don't want anybody to get hung up on the the

924
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:35,640
 tenants but this is what the proposed elevations would look like coming into

925
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:42,160
 the site and so with that there is criteria for approval for site plans for

926
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:45,680
 the razor ranch overlay district are shown on this on the screen I won't go

927
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:50,040
 through them specifically but the site plan does comply with the zoning for

928
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:55,520
 this area which is exhibit b1 it meets all lot dimension requirements of the

929
01:20:55,520 --> 01:21:00,000
 overlay district the site plan and landscape plan do not adversely affect

930
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:03,960
 adjacent neighborhoods since it's central to the overlay district there

931
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:07,440
 it's already built out with retail and restaurants they're not actually

932
01:21:07,440 --> 01:21:12,200
 impacting them they are providing vehicular pedestrian bicycle connection

933
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:17,480
 to West University Drive where there's existing facilities as well as into the

934
01:21:17,480 --> 01:21:22,620
 razor ranch district as a whole and so the site and landscape plans also meet

935
01:21:22,620 --> 01:21:29,420
 all the landscape architectural design standards of the overlay district so

936
01:21:29,420 --> 01:21:33,760
 there is no public notification required for razor ranch overlay district site

937
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:38,320
 plans so you didn't see that in your packet but staff does recommend

938
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:42,080
 approval of this request as it does meet all the requirements of the overlay

939
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:47,040
 district and with that I can answer any questions that you have thank you Karina

940
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:59,120
 any questions I do not see any thank you we did receive one e-comment form filled

941
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:06,960
 out on our website in support of this project and I also do have a card wishing

942
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:14,640
 to speak on this item and I believe that is the applicant Amy how are you

943
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:23,000
 good evening commissioners Amy Bissette 97 land company 109 North Elm Denton 76

944
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:28,280
 201 I have quite a bit of detail prepared in these slides but I'm just

945
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:31,880
 gonna kind of just walk you through them very quickly and then if you do have

946
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:36,720
 questions or would like to go into detail on any of them I'd be happy to do

947
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:41,600
 so I also want to note that Rick Coe is sitting behind me here he represents

948
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:46,200
 Fidelis who is the property owner and developer of this site and the remainder

949
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:53,640
 of the town center portion that will come in in phase 2 so as you know razor

950
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:58,320
 ranch is its own animal in terms of zoning it's got an old overlay district

951
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:04,080
 that was established in 2008 and encompasses 400 acres and the majority

952
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:08,600
 of the 400 acres at this point I would say is developed or is pending

953
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:13,200
 development at this point in time the majority of what's left is on the south

954
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:19,560
 side of University Drive and the two main property owners and developers

955
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:24,040
 within that that south portion are Fidelis and Allegiance Hillview and we

956
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:29,760
 are focused today on the property that Fidelis owns and Karina went through

957
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:32,760
 this but I just kind of wanted to highlight where this is located in

958
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:37,360
 relation to the rest of the razor ranch development along University you've got

959
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:42,000
 the in-and-out up here and some retail strip center development and then south

960
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:46,280
 of the site you've got the convention center you've got I-35 on the west

961
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:50,880
 Karina walked through the site plan but just kind of wanted to show you how that

962
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:57,520
 that overlays with the aerial that you were just viewing and just briefly want

963
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:01,560
 to talk about the areas of the razor ranch overlay that govern this site and

964
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:06,400
 specifically the the consideration of the site plan and the specifics

965
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:11,120
 associated with it and the overlay ordinance itself provides the criteria

966
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:16,840
 to approve the site plan and also the the dimensional and development standards

967
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:24,640
 for the rr1 and rr2 sub areas and the exhibit B1 concept plan goes into detail

968
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:31,280
 of what the allowable land uses are for each area and exhibit C1 is really where

969
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:36,200
 the detail and the meat comes in which is the the expectations of the site plan

970
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:43,360
 orientation and the architectural architectural elements so Karina

971
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:48,360
 already walked through the criteria for site plan approval and the development

972
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:53,000
 standards we do meet or exceed all of those and I do want to point out as

973
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:57,720
 Karina did that the 25% minimum tree canopy is for the entire lot and we're

974
01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:02,960
 only developing 30 of the 57 acres today so that is a cumulative total that will

975
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:09,000
 have to be met and the remainder of in phase two the exhibit C1 architectural

976
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:11,640
 standards there's a couple of main elements that I just want to point out

977
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:16,520
 that we've spent a lot of time really working on demonstrating compliance and

978
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:20,640
 a superior development for this project and the first are related to site

979
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:25,600
 orientation and circulation specifically not just vehicular but pedestrian and

980
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:30,560
 bike circulation and that the the development is oriented around a central

981
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:37,640
 spine element and which I'll show you momentarily this that this does this

982
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:42,320
 this particular slide highlights the vehicular circulation and as Karina

983
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:47,960
 mentioned we do have widened main drives to accommodate bicyclists and

984
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:53,520
 pedestrians in addition to vehicles this which was included in your backup shows

985
01:25:53,520 --> 01:26:01,600
 the the bike paths that provide access to all all aspects of the development as

986
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:08,640
 well as connectivity to University Drive and provide bike bike parking bike racks

987
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:15,720
 throughout the development as well this exhibit is specific to pedestrian

988
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:20,600
 circulation and runs concurrent with with the bicycle circulation and the

989
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:28,720
 widened facilities to accommodate both the spine element that is a key focus of

990
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:35,520
 this development is the main drive that comes in off of University Drive includes

991
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:44,520
 enhanced green space with multi-use trails benches and patterned concrete a

992
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:50,280
 number of elements that really enhanced that main entryway coming in to the

993
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:55,480
 to the development in the site and I've even got a 3d rendering here to show you

994
01:26:55,480 --> 01:26:58,800
 kind of what that looks like coming in approaching the main from the main

995
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:08,280
 entrance the other main part of exhibit see one that we've we've worked hard to

996
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:13,000
 comply with is related to the building design as you all know there's a lot of

997
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:16,480
 there are a lot of elements in this ordinance about building materials which

998
01:27:16,480 --> 01:27:22,640
 we also comply with but are is not as important at this point in time since

999
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:27,320
 it's not enforceable so we really worked hard to comply with the other

1000
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:31,960
 architectural elements and specifically just to make sure that we're providing

1001
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:38,480
 relief architecturally across all sides of the facade and material changes and

1002
01:27:38,480 --> 01:27:45,160
 color changes and both vertical and horizontal articulation and that is all

1003
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:50,020
 I have at this time I'm happy to answer questions and Rick is also available to

1004
01:27:50,020 --> 01:27:57,760
 answer questions thank you thank you Amy I do not see any questions thank you

1005
01:27:57,760 --> 01:28:03,640
 thank you very much Commissioner Cole thank you chair I make a motion to

1006
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:09,640
 approve Commissioner Anderson we've got a first and a second for approval any

1007
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:16,280
 discussion okay I'll just say it's nice to see this part of Razor Ranch getting

1008
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:26,440
 developed finally so let's vote on the board please that motion carries seven

1009
01:28:26,440 --> 01:28:32,520
 zero that takes us to our public hearing item item for the evening it is for a Z

1010
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:40,320
 210017 I'll invite Lisa Payne up to the podium for presentation and I will open

1011
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:43,160
 the public hearing

1012
01:28:43,160 --> 01:29:02,360
 all right good evening everyone again Lisa Payne and this property and this is

1013
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:08,360
 a rezoning request that's for 311.5 acres on a rural residential property

1014
01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:13,400
 and they would like to become a light industrial LI district the future land

1015
01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:18,040
 use designation for this is light industrial in the Denton 2040

1016
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:22,160
 comprehensive plan and it's generally located on the northeast corner of

1017
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:27,720
 Hampton and Mosh Branch Road the property is currently has four active

1018
01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:31,920
 gas wells three of which are being plugged but other than that it's vacant

1019
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:38,600
 except for agricultural uses and to the zoning is surrounded by residential to

1020
01:29:38,600 --> 01:29:43,800
 the northwest and south but on the northeast there's some LI and on the

1021
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:51,240
 east is geo the Denton development code has general approval criteria and zoning

1022
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:56,920
 criteria which is listed on the slide to summarize LI zoning is consistent with

1023
01:29:56,920 --> 01:30:01,120
 the Denton 2040 comprehensive plan as a subject properties feature land use

1024
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:05,360
 designation is light industrial in addition all the surrounding property is

1025
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:08,840
 designated as light industrial except for the single-family neighborhood to

1026
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:13,800
 the south as shown on the future land use map the development shall comply with

1027
01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:18,720
 DDC requirements when it develops such as landscape buffer site and building

1028
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:25,800
 designs and exterior lighting and the proposed rezoning from our to LI will

1029
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:29,760
 make this property consistent with the future land use map designation of light

1030
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:35,920
 industrial public notices were sent out in the newspaper it was April 10th

1031
01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:42,160
 website April 7th and property signs are posted on April 15th notices were mailed

1032
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:48,040
 out to 22 of them were sent to those within 200 feet of the property and 26

1033
01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:54,000
 were sent to those within 500 feet responses as for formal responses we got

1034
01:30:54,000 --> 01:31:00,000
 three in opposition and one in favor and the applicant held two neighborhood

1035
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:07,040
 meetings on March 17th and April 13th staff recommends approval of the

1036
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:12,320
 requested rezoning as it does comply with the DDC and I'm available for

1037
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:19,560
 questions and the applicant is also here it has a presentation thank you Lisa any

1038
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:28,480
 questions at this time commissioner Anderson thank you sure can you go back

1039
01:31:28,480 --> 01:31:33,360
 a slide for me I want to look at something real quick go to slide three

1040
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:47,400
 please this one three yes okay thank you okay okay any other questions for Lisa

1041
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:53,400
 at this time okay thanks Lisa did you say the applicant does have a

1042
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:58,160
 presentation yes I don't have a card from them but whoever would like to come

1043
01:31:58,160 --> 01:32:03,180
 down I won't let you have the podium I will say also for the record that I did

1044
01:32:03,180 --> 01:32:10,880
 not mention before is Commissioner Cole is recused himself from this item hi if

1045
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:14,280
 you'll just state your name and address you will have 10 minutes for your

1046
01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:19,400
 presentation yes I'm Lee Ramsey with Orson Holdings 525 South Loop 288 here

1047
01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:23,560
 in Denton and thank you guys for serving and spending time away from your

1048
01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:27,800
 families tonight we are presenting the zoning case a lot of what we're going to

1049
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:31,600
 go over I'll move through quickly because Lisa already covered so I'll get

1050
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:36,920
 to the points that that matter so I'm Lee Ramsey and Brandon Martino is my

1051
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:40,720
 business partner we are based here in Denton our businesses are based here in

1052
01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:46,040
 Denton we're actually from here so we do have done lots of development around

1053
01:32:46,040 --> 01:32:51,040
 town as far as industrial and infield development so we've worked with the

1054
01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:58,840
 city very very closely since 2006-7 on doing projects throughout the city so

1055
01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:04,560
 we're very familiar with the city processes and and and applications a

1056
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:08,840
 little bit about us if you look at our developments from our infield to

1057
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:13,760
 industrial when industrial was needed in town we were one of the first ones to

1058
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:17,800
 step up and when there was not any anything available to build spec

1059
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:22,320
 buildings here in town the first ones on Western on the other side also

1060
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:27,240
 downtown when there was housing needed we were some of the first ones to enter

1061
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:32,080
 downtown and create housing for downtown so we've worked closely throughout

1062
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:36,960
 different aspects of the city from industrial and multifamily to retail and

1063
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:41,880
 infield to greenfield so we understand when it talks about integrity of about

1064
01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:46,920
 which parts of the city need need what uses thinking about the community which

1065
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:49,880
 we'll talk a little bit about some of the steps we've taken here today and

1066
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:53,800
 thinking forward about you know what does our city need in the future for

1067
01:33:53,800 --> 01:34:01,880
 jobs for for whatever uses that the city needs long term these are some local

1068
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:07,320
 charities that we support we are very involved in our community so this

1069
01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:12,240
 throughout the years these are different things from the the editor to UNT to

1070
01:34:12,240 --> 01:34:19,120
 current my partner and I both serve on the the Casa board so we've done that

1071
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:24,880
 for many years I won't belabor the site I think everybody's familiar where the

1072
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:29,760
 site is and what part of town but it did have an exhibit to show that we also had

1073
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:32,920
 two neighborhood meetings and at the neighborhood meetings we offered for any

1074
01:34:32,920 --> 01:34:36,560
 residents to come meet with us one-on-one in our office and we did have

1075
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:42,320
 a few take us up on that which was which we enjoyed because it whether they agree

1076
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:46,080
 or disagree it gave us a chance to at least communicate at a higher level so

1077
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:51,020
 I was thankful we did have a few residents take us up on that this this

1078
01:34:51,020 --> 01:34:56,440
 exhibit I think is important so as we looked at putting this LI zoning which

1079
01:34:56,440 --> 01:35:01,440
 is which is in accordance with the comprehensive plan the 20 40 plan that

1080
01:35:01,440 --> 01:35:07,300
 was just accepted and the 2030 plan that had business innovation that transitioned

1081
01:35:07,300 --> 01:35:10,720
 to LI we thought to ourselves how do we protect this neighborhood because we

1082
01:35:10,720 --> 01:35:14,720
 looked at is as if we did live in this neighborhood and and we know an LI

1083
01:35:14,720 --> 01:35:20,000
 zoning is a industrial use and ranch estates and some of the other residents

1084
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:24,320
 have been there a while so that's why if you wonder how why we picked and what we

1085
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:30,080
 did there that we were trying to figure out how in long-term future that that

1086
01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:33,680
 would protect a buffer forever and we came up with a few other ideas which

1087
01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:38,920
 I'll get to in a minute but ultimately it's 34 acres as a as a buffer but part

1088
01:35:38,920 --> 01:35:42,560
 of that six acres or so is going to end up being a city right away that we have

1089
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:47,440
 to dedicate for future right away and then about 27 and a half acres will

1090
01:35:47,440 --> 01:35:54,300
 still be in 35 acres or 34 acres will be in our total but 27 of it will be

1091
01:35:54,300 --> 01:36:00,840
 left after so this is a concept plan this is what the future mobility plan

1092
01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:05,080
 shows if you notice on the bottom it shows a road connecting all the way to

1093
01:36:05,080 --> 01:36:09,800
 Windsor Drive all the way back through the future Luke 288 so we do have to

1094
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:13,640
 dedicate that right away but what we tried to do we tried to say how do we

1095
01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:18,520
 limit access so that the northwest roads through the neighborhood can never

1096
01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:24,280
 connect so we had our original idea was to possibly provide a park land

1097
01:36:24,280 --> 01:36:28,680
 dedication there and debt and build that park and dedicate it but you know we

1098
01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:31,960
 have neighborhood meetings for a reason so as we met with the neighborhood there

1099
01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:35,160
 were some things that they had concerns about which I'll get to those comments

1100
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:40,680
 in a minute as a park being there it would never allow any access through

1101
01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:45,160
 that I'm just kind of staging our train of thought and why we would do that it

1102
01:36:45,160 --> 01:36:50,320
 would control what could ever be built there nothing and it would never allow

1103
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:54,920
 any connectivity so and it'd be maintained by the city long term but as

1104
01:36:54,920 --> 01:36:59,360
 we met with the city I agree with some of their concerns about those things

1105
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:04,080
 which I'll get to in a minute if you notice our access future Luke 288 will

1106
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:10,280
 be coming through on the north side I believe they're gonna start in 2026 with

1107
01:37:10,280 --> 01:37:13,480
 their land acquisition or construction I don't remember the exact dates on that

1108
01:37:13,480 --> 01:37:18,440
 but somewhere in that area and if you also notice we're going to connect to

1109
01:37:18,440 --> 01:37:22,480
 our only connect point and connectivity is coming down Mosh Branch there's not

1110
01:37:22,480 --> 01:37:33,760
 any connectivity into the neighborhood this is a concept plan that we just did

1111
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:37,880
 if if that right of way isn't constructed through there so leaving

1112
01:37:37,880 --> 01:37:42,880
 Hampton Road just as it is now the ultimate connection is probably going to

1113
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:48,600
 be different at at where it comes off of Mosh Branch into the subdivision that's

1114
01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:53,840
 probably going to end up at a little u-shape or an s-curve tying that in so

1115
01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:56,280
 it's probably going to be a little different that's going to be through the

1116
01:37:56,280 --> 01:38:00,520
 platting working through with engineering on how that connection

1117
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:04,640
 point is made so that may change up a little bit just on how that connection

1118
01:38:04,640 --> 01:38:09,040
 point but it will not be along Hampton Road per our current plans this is a

1119
01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:14,760
 cross-section to show the open space that whether it is just open space or

1120
01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:19,360
 it's whether it's a park if you notice it comes across that's a current stand

1121
01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:23,360
 of trees between the neighborhood and our development and then after the 200

1122
01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:26,800
 feet which is actually closer to 300 feet once you have the right of way

1123
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:29,960
 dedication so you have the right of way dedication and then 200 feet open space

1124
01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:34,800
 and then on the property side of that there's another 35 feet which is

1125
01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:41,040
 required from RR to LI so that's another reason we left that RR so that

1126
01:38:41,040 --> 01:38:45,660
 would buffer would be required and another reason a building facing the

1127
01:38:45,660 --> 01:38:49,440
 public space or RR that it can't be a back of a building it's got to be a

1128
01:38:49,440 --> 01:38:54,340
 front of a building so that was another reason we decided to leave that as an RR

1129
01:38:54,340 --> 01:38:57,680
 zoning so if you notice here this just is a little bit of a cross-section to

1130
01:38:57,680 --> 01:39:03,440
 show what that buffer could look like this is just an exhibit to show we are

1131
01:39:03,440 --> 01:39:08,400
 going to close in three gas wells we're going to leave the one it's kind of hard

1132
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:12,560
 to read but the two to the far north and then the one to the southwest the the

1133
01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:16,960
 one to the southeast will be staying an existing gas well and we're relocate

1134
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:21,200
 getting rid of all the flow lines and putting it in the one flow line going to

1135
01:39:21,200 --> 01:39:27,480
 the toward the west to connect in the Targa's line this is a final section of

1136
01:39:27,480 --> 01:39:33,240
 what will be required at the corner of 380 and Mosh Branch with the turn lanes

1137
01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:38,520
 there Mosh Branch will be worked out throughout as we get in the platting and

1138
01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:43,720
 there's a staging phase of the buildings it will be worked out to what parts of

1139
01:39:43,720 --> 01:39:50,700
 that are improved but the goal is the goal is to be not build what would be

1140
01:39:50,700 --> 01:39:57,200
 normally required of Hampton Road to be able to use those funds to Mosh Branch

1141
01:39:57,200 --> 01:40:01,960
 so whatever improvements need to be on Mosh Branch we can we can allocate those

1142
01:40:01,960 --> 01:40:06,240
 funds there's been preliminary meetings with the city engineering on that to be

1143
01:40:06,240 --> 01:40:09,920
 able to decide how we allocate that to improve that instead because there's

1144
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:13,760
 really not a reason to improve Hampton Road today it doesn't benefit the

1145
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:17,440
 neighborhood it doesn't benefit the development so any of those dollars we

1146
01:40:17,440 --> 01:40:22,480
 need to allocate over there and that's not been agreed on by the city that is

1147
01:40:22,480 --> 01:40:26,640
 that'll be worked through during platting but it's our intention and the

1148
01:40:26,640 --> 01:40:31,480
 meetings have been positive so far with the city on that but that still needs to

1149
01:40:31,480 --> 01:40:35,080
 can continue to work through on the stages of that with what right-of-way

1150
01:40:35,080 --> 01:40:39,680
 acquisitions are needed and other things there I didn't know if you guys had seen

1151
01:40:39,680 --> 01:40:43,480
 this but this is the future plan for the total loop 288 I just thought I would

1152
01:40:43,480 --> 01:40:48,440
 include it so for informational purposes so as we met they had our city meetings

1153
01:40:48,440 --> 01:40:52,720
 there was lots of topics about we just listed a few of them here the park area

1154
01:40:52,720 --> 01:40:59,000
 sorry the park area and as we talked through it I thought it was a really good

1155
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:02,440
 idea in the beginning but then I understood some of the city's concerns I

1156
01:41:02,440 --> 01:41:07,160
 think it is the ultimate way to protect the neighborhood as far as the city

1157
01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:11,120
 controlling that but as I visited with them I understood some concerns about

1158
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:16,800
 parking and homelessness and more traffic so we worked through that with

1159
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:21,960
 them and came up with some other options there is a neighbor within the community

1160
01:41:21,960 --> 01:41:25,800
 that's willing to buy the parkland area and obviously we will come to an

1161
01:41:25,800 --> 01:41:30,720
 agreement on that and as long as we put a 25 year deed restriction on that that

1162
01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:34,080
 it can only be agriculture because I think the neighborhood likes the the

1163
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:38,600
 country feel and I believe that buffer leaving an act could could still help

1164
01:41:38,600 --> 01:41:41,840
 with that and we're in agreement with that and one of the neighbors is in

1165
01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:45,720
 agreement with that as a matter of fact I met with him this morning if that

1166
01:41:45,720 --> 01:41:49,880
 doesn't work we'll happily hold that land and put a deed restriction on

1167
01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:54,960
 ourself because you know we're okay to dedicate that as a park put a deed

1168
01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:59,700
 restriction for 25 years or sell it with a deed restriction of 25 years so we're

1169
01:41:59,700 --> 01:42:03,840
 really trying to communicate look guys we care about this buffer we understand

1170
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:07,640
 it's an industrial development but what can we do to protect the neighborhood as

1171
01:42:07,640 --> 01:42:11,240
 long as we can and still make the neighborhood happy and make make the

1172
01:42:11,240 --> 01:42:17,560
 city happy to be able to get our zoning done we talked about the park do I have

1173
01:42:17,560 --> 01:42:24,760
 any more time could I have yeah just I'll move quickly just I just wanted to

1174
01:42:24,760 --> 01:42:27,680
 list some neighborhood comments that we addressed and walked through which I

1175
01:42:27,680 --> 01:42:31,280
 think are important so we talked about the park at night and homelessness and

1176
01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:34,600
 some of those things so we gave some ordinances about what how the city can

1177
01:42:34,600 --> 01:42:38,000
 control that it doesn't look like that's the way we're going to end up so I won't

1178
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:42,600
 waste our time too much on this talked about drainage that those things will be

1179
01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:47,520
 engineered at the platting fencing we talked about you know what type of

1180
01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:50,520
 fencing would be if there was a park how would we connect that we worked with

1181
01:42:50,520 --> 01:42:53,760
 some neighbors that if there was a park we would provide an extra fence but

1182
01:42:53,760 --> 01:42:57,960
 again that doesn't look like the consensus of the way we're going this is

1183
01:42:57,960 --> 01:43:01,760
 just another exhibit showing the parkland dedication and what the what the

1184
01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:06,820
 right-of-way would look like or if we just left it open space ultimately this

1185
01:43:06,820 --> 01:43:11,480
 would be mosh branch and this road would just be dedicated so all this would still

1186
01:43:11,480 --> 01:43:18,240
 be open space concerns along traffic along Hampton again I've kind of visited

1187
01:43:18,240 --> 01:43:21,320
 about that we've had preliminary means we're trying to get as much traffic as

1188
01:43:21,320 --> 01:43:25,240
 we can to mosh branch and to loop 280 are to lovers Lane in the future loop

1189
01:43:25,240 --> 01:43:32,920
 288 as as its comes in there's some things about when when was the

1190
01:43:32,920 --> 01:43:36,320
 neighborhood going to be informed about the roadway and that was part of the

1191
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:40,160
 2040 plan we just had some discussion around that in our neighborhood meetings

1192
01:43:40,160 --> 01:43:47,560
 and the mobility plan we had some discussions with a few residents about

1193
01:43:47,560 --> 01:43:50,680
 what are the ultimate concerns the some of the biggest concerns are obviously

1194
01:43:50,680 --> 01:43:56,560
 traffic and I've discussed what we're doing that we've met with the

1195
01:43:56,560 --> 01:43:59,080
 neighborhood and also said we will advocate which we've got a letter

1196
01:43:59,080 --> 01:44:03,760
 prepared to send to the city to advocate to say okay can we get no truck signs on

1197
01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:08,040
 380 like Lakeview has on east of town when you go by that there's no truck

1198
01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:13,420
 signs going through Lake Lakeview can we get speed limit signs up leaving the RR

1199
01:44:13,420 --> 01:44:20,660
 portion so it can't come through and I can go through these if I can have just

1200
01:44:20,660 --> 01:44:24,040
 one more minute these are some comments that so there's some comments about

1201
01:44:24,040 --> 01:44:28,000
 light pollution and that's another reason we left it RR because that makes

1202
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:31,960
 it will plot that lot separately so that makes the property line further away

1203
01:44:31,960 --> 01:44:36,400
 from the residents and by city ordinance the foot candle at the property line so

1204
01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:39,980
 if we plot that as a separate lot it pushes that foot candle further away

1205
01:44:39,980 --> 01:44:44,600
 from the residents so something we tried to work through and quoted some exterior

1206
01:44:44,600 --> 01:44:49,240
 lighting standards that says what we have to do at building permit noise

1207
01:44:49,240 --> 01:44:55,280
 pollution again that's why we put the buffer in there this is just a quick

1208
01:44:55,280 --> 01:45:00,800
 measurement to show how far we are away from residents and structures so here's

1209
01:45:00,800 --> 01:45:04,840
 the resident on this side this is over a quarter mile on this side as you come

1210
01:45:04,840 --> 01:45:09,560
 down to this road it's about with the right away and the buffers about 350

1211
01:45:09,560 --> 01:45:14,480
 feet we showed it from here to here to the edge of the parking lot about 302

1212
01:45:14,480 --> 01:45:19,880
 and then to the back of the first building I know I'm moving quickly and I've

1213
01:45:19,880 --> 01:45:26,680
 got more but we'll stop there if there's any questions commissioner Smith thank

1214
01:45:26,680 --> 01:45:32,480
 you chair mr. Rimsky go back two slides yes sir thank you just weird you're

1215
01:45:32,480 --> 01:45:38,360
 moving fast I just wanted to look at real quick okay can you go back to the

1216
01:45:38,360 --> 01:45:42,560
 slide that you had that had the gas wells on it

1217
01:45:44,480 --> 01:45:58,960
 I must have missed it I'm sorry couple forward you said there's one that's not

1218
01:45:58,960 --> 01:46:02,240
 gonna be covered to the southeast key point that out the mouse yeah this one

1219
01:46:02,240 --> 01:46:07,520
 is gonna stay in further Lee it was a producing well still at a high level so

1220
01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:11,720
 the oil and gas company wasn't willing to work with me on closing that one they

1221
01:46:11,720 --> 01:46:15,480
 were willing to work with me on closing these three well can you go and show

1222
01:46:15,480 --> 01:46:19,360
 that on the concept map again then where now that I saw that you're kind of

1223
01:46:19,360 --> 01:46:22,840
 flying through it earlier so go to your concept map so it's gonna be right there

1224
01:46:22,840 --> 01:46:27,120
 yeah so it's gonna actually be here so this is the buffer area that kind of

1225
01:46:27,120 --> 01:46:31,320
 comes up through here whether it's you know left open as acreage and this is

1226
01:46:31,320 --> 01:46:36,440
 where the car the pad site and the access will still come through here to

1227
01:46:36,440 --> 01:46:41,800
 access that well okay understood on the deed restricted sure structure you said

1228
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:47,240
 that if the neighbor and you do not come to an agreement on the land and put a

1229
01:46:47,240 --> 01:46:50,560
 deed restriction on that you said your alternative you kind of move through

1230
01:46:50,560 --> 01:46:53,360
 that quickly so you said your alternative was gonna be you guys would

1231
01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:56,880
 keep the land and put the deed restrict on yourself to keep it agricultural yes

1232
01:46:56,880 --> 01:47:00,680
 five years we will we will do that now that the risk to the neighborhood is that

1233
01:47:00,680 --> 01:47:04,760
 if for some crazy reason you know I kicked the bucket I'll have to go to my

1234
01:47:04,760 --> 01:47:07,760
 trustees that will continue that deed restriction then they have to trust me

1235
01:47:07,760 --> 01:47:13,840
 that I'll keep it at that point right and so again our offices here in town

1236
01:47:13,840 --> 01:47:20,440
 and we do multiple developments in this town so we're gonna honor that and I

1237
01:47:20,440 --> 01:47:25,160
 understand that that's my word saying here we're gonna honor it but the only

1238
01:47:25,160 --> 01:47:29,800
 the first option I brought was to look at a park and because that would forever

1239
01:47:29,800 --> 01:47:33,320
 lock it in but I understand the neighborhood like that why they

1240
01:47:33,320 --> 01:47:36,040
 wouldn't want that right because of the things that could come with that so

1241
01:47:36,040 --> 01:47:41,080
 that's why we came up with this option to do this and so whether Austin Baker

1242
01:47:41,080 --> 01:47:45,440
 buys it and I'll hold the deed restriction or I keep it with my own

1243
01:47:45,440 --> 01:47:50,120
 deed restriction for 25 years either way possible Lisa can ask you a quick

1244
01:47:50,120 --> 01:47:58,520
 question two things one by not having Parkland dedication within there is

1245
01:47:58,520 --> 01:48:01,640
 there an impact fee that they have to pay instead by not including that or is

1246
01:48:01,640 --> 01:48:05,660
 that just something that with industrial developments there's no requirement for

1247
01:48:05,660 --> 01:48:15,040
 any Parkland or fee at all so this is just completely separate and then play

1248
01:48:15,040 --> 01:48:19,560
 it play a hypothetical game for me they put a deed restriction on it neighbor or

1249
01:48:19,560 --> 01:48:22,720
 somebody else buys it and has there for 25 years 25 years from now that deed

1250
01:48:22,720 --> 01:48:27,760
 restriction comes up what then it re it goes back to being free open land that's

1251
01:48:27,760 --> 01:48:32,960
 designated as RR that can be rezoned for whatever use the the individual owner

1252
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:36,000
 can do with at that point in time whether it's in the zoning piece I mean

1253
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:40,560
 what's the what's kind of the hypothetical 25 years from now right it

1254
01:48:40,560 --> 01:48:46,200
 could stay the same or zoning wise you know cities don't have authority to

1255
01:48:46,200 --> 01:48:52,400
 control deed restrictions so you know maybe it gets rezoned but that deed

1256
01:48:52,400 --> 01:48:57,000
 restriction would just still be in place where legally somebody can take care of

1257
01:48:57,000 --> 01:49:00,960
 that outside of the city and go to a district court and keep that deed

1258
01:49:00,960 --> 01:49:05,840
 restriction for the ag use in place so let's just pretend for easy number 20

1259
01:49:05,840 --> 01:49:11,160
 2047 this this this key restriction gets lifted it's not our agricultural

1260
01:49:11,160 --> 01:49:14,120
 somebody else comes forward and puts up a project they can rezone at that point

1261
01:49:14,120 --> 01:49:19,360
 in time probably to whatever yes that makes sense for our future land use that

1262
01:49:19,360 --> 01:49:23,560
 kind of thing okay all right got it if someone tries to sell that land but it

1263
01:49:23,560 --> 01:49:28,220
 has that 25-year deed restriction let's say that as Mr. Ramsey mentioned earlier

1264
01:49:28,220 --> 01:49:31,880
 he kicks the bucket his trustees take it over they don't they don't honor or look

1265
01:49:31,880 --> 01:49:35,240
 at it they just they sell it to somebody else even though the dedistrictions out

1266
01:49:35,240 --> 01:49:38,160
 there they ignore that piece they sell it to somebody else are you saying then

1267
01:49:38,160 --> 01:49:40,660
 that the city doesn't have any jurisdiction or doesn't see those deed

1268
01:49:40,660 --> 01:49:44,320
 restrictions so there's a possibility that zoning could happen there but

1269
01:49:44,320 --> 01:49:47,360
 there's some conflict there walk me through what you said there a second ago

1270
01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:52,080
 there is a little conflict between zoning and dedistrictions but the state

1271
01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:56,280
 law is that you cannot enforce deed restrictions and zoning that's why he

1272
01:49:56,280 --> 01:50:01,680
 said has deed restrictions and the rest of the city or the state has zoning so

1273
01:50:01,680 --> 01:50:05,760
 it's up to usually the individuals or the neighborhood to make sure that the

1274
01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:11,080
 deed restrictions are enforced okay so while this could come before PNZ and

1275
01:50:11,080 --> 01:50:15,120
 council at any time for a zoning change approved and everything else and nobody

1276
01:50:15,120 --> 01:50:18,080
 would know because the deed restriction has to be really enforced by either the

1277
01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:22,760
 individual or the other people who know about the deed restriction yes our

1278
01:50:22,760 --> 01:50:26,800
 audience would know okay all right just want to make it I want to make it clear

1279
01:50:26,800 --> 01:50:33,520
 yes thank you other questions for the applicant and I just want to remind

1280
01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:38,200
 everybody we're not really talking about that piece of land that's been cut out

1281
01:50:38,200 --> 01:50:44,320
 of this zoning request yeah so keep that at a high level anything that we decide

1282
01:50:44,320 --> 01:50:48,520
 tonight it has nothing to do with that land that is something that they still

1283
01:50:48,520 --> 01:50:55,040
 need to figure out so couple questions that I have while we see if anyone else

1284
01:50:55,040 --> 01:51:03,480
 has do you have a decision on that tract I mean do you have a plan for when

1285
01:51:03,480 --> 01:51:07,520
 you're making that decision and what you're doing so what our intention is

1286
01:51:07,520 --> 01:51:11,560
 is after if we were going to sign a contract with whoever is going to

1287
01:51:11,560 --> 01:51:15,240
 purchase it we would do it now but it would be contingent upon once we get our

1288
01:51:15,240 --> 01:51:18,160
 final plat approved and the only reason why that is is because we're gonna have

1289
01:51:18,160 --> 01:51:22,160
 to put some water line and sewer line easements and drainage easements through

1290
01:51:22,160 --> 01:51:26,280
 that tract and I would want to make sure all those were in place before that was

1291
01:51:26,280 --> 01:51:31,520
 transacted so that the plan would be as of my meeting this morning to obviously

1292
01:51:31,520 --> 01:51:34,680
 we want to leave it RR for the first level of protection would to be

1293
01:51:34,680 --> 01:51:38,560
 transacted to Austin Baker for our meeting this morning he has interest in

1294
01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:45,120
 that what is your time frame if you do get the zoning change approved what is

1295
01:51:45,120 --> 01:51:49,180
 your time frame for the development that you gave us this concept plan so it

1296
01:51:49,180 --> 01:51:52,880
 would be a phase development we have chosen Exeter to be the final developer

1297
01:51:52,880 --> 01:51:57,480
 of the project and Exeter is actually the guys building the million one or a

1298
01:51:57,480 --> 01:52:01,280
 million two square feet maybe right now in Western Boulevard and actually

1299
01:52:01,280 --> 01:52:04,960
 building the other half of Western Boulevard through development agreement

1300
01:52:04,960 --> 01:52:09,560
 and so the reason we picked those guys is because one well they also built the

1301
01:52:09,560 --> 01:52:13,280
 600,000 foot spec the biggest building I ever built and didn't that Lowe's went

1302
01:52:13,280 --> 01:52:18,000
 into I sold them the 104 acres they're developing on now so I have a

1303
01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:21,080
 relationship with these guys and they've done everything they said they would do

1304
01:52:21,080 --> 01:52:27,480
 with me and they are very a class a product very well funded so that's the

1305
01:52:27,480 --> 01:52:31,080
 reason I've chosen this group we have lots of people interested in this

1306
01:52:31,080 --> 01:52:37,360
 property after we purchased it but we chose them specifically we never put it

1307
01:52:37,360 --> 01:52:41,000
 on the market we we've worked hand-in-hand with them because they are

1308
01:52:41,000 --> 01:52:44,880
 responsible they understand the city processes they've done development

1309
01:52:44,880 --> 01:52:49,520
 agreements with the city to build roads so there's a reason I handpicked those

1310
01:52:49,520 --> 01:52:59,520
 guys to be the end developer yes so they will start platting immediately I'm sorry

1311
01:52:59,520 --> 01:53:02,960
 I didn't get to your question start plotting immediately and then it will be

1312
01:53:02,960 --> 01:53:07,080
 a phased project they would build building one or building two at the

1313
01:53:07,080 --> 01:53:11,040
 beginning and then as they lease up they would continue the project so it'd be

1314
01:53:11,040 --> 01:53:16,440
 started in the near future probably 12 months by the 8 to 12 months that helps

1315
01:53:16,440 --> 01:53:22,800
 with the start so I'll ask you what I brought up at the work session which was

1316
01:53:22,800 --> 01:53:25,600
 when you're talking about all the neighborhood protections that you want

1317
01:53:25,600 --> 01:53:30,080
 to have in place and you mentioned that countless time in your presentation why

1318
01:53:30,080 --> 01:53:35,600
 did you not go down a PD route with this request when we could actually could be

1319
01:53:35,600 --> 01:53:41,200
 discussing all of those protections and actually have them codified with what we

1320
01:53:41,200 --> 01:53:45,880
 would be voting on today because everything that you mentioned and

1321
01:53:45,880 --> 01:53:50,360
 everything we're really talking about is just conceptual at this point there's

1322
01:53:50,360 --> 01:53:56,360
 nothing that would tie anything to the zoning change if we approve it to Li and

1323
01:53:56,360 --> 01:54:03,280
 ultimately City Council does but so question sure so most of what we needed

1324
01:54:03,280 --> 01:54:09,520
 we was within the Li zoning and really the PD is for extenuating circumstances

1325
01:54:09,520 --> 01:54:14,000
 like if a site has certain things that you can't meet the code or you're trying

1326
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:19,040
 to do more density and then give extra green space in this project we knew we

1327
01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:21,960
 were given that much green space and then throughout the project with the

1328
01:54:21,960 --> 01:54:26,480
 floodplain areas and that was gonna sit you can't count it as green space but

1329
01:54:26,480 --> 01:54:31,560
 it's still open space so we really didn't see a reason for the city didn't

1330
01:54:31,560 --> 01:54:34,760
 code that we needed to because most of our uses were in line we were meeting

1331
01:54:34,760 --> 01:54:39,080
 our green space requirements we were giving more open space than what the

1332
01:54:39,080 --> 01:54:43,280
 code allowed so we really didn't see and it's always supposed to be really used

1333
01:54:43,280 --> 01:54:47,440
 for special circumstances and it would be hard for me to say yeah we need a PD

1334
01:54:47,440 --> 01:54:52,060
 for these special circumstances and I don't have a lot of those things so

1335
01:54:52,060 --> 01:54:55,680
 that's the reason we went with straight allies only well to me I think you do

1336
01:54:55,680 --> 01:54:59,760
 have some special circumstances here you've got a as you know I mean how

1337
01:54:59,760 --> 01:55:03,680
 special that community is and has been here and is well established you've got

1338
01:55:03,680 --> 01:55:07,600
 special circumstances of roads being highly inadequate for the kinds of

1339
01:55:07,600 --> 01:55:12,960
 trucks that you are going to be bringing into that site that we could you know

1340
01:55:12,960 --> 01:55:18,000
 you talked about you know allocating money and only improving you know I mean

1341
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:23,680
 all of that the signs I mean all of that could have been done within a PD I mean

1342
01:55:23,680 --> 01:55:27,620
 those are the special circumstances that I think do exist so well we can just

1343
01:55:27,620 --> 01:55:31,680
 agree to disagree on that but thank you for answering the question any other

1344
01:55:31,680 --> 01:55:38,400
 questions right now for the applicant okay thank you very much we may call

1345
01:55:38,400 --> 01:55:45,280
 you up again thank you evening goes I do have some cards people wishing to speak

1346
01:55:45,280 --> 01:55:51,000
 so a Rebecca height is the first one I have if you'll come to the podium and

1347
01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:55,200
 set your name and address you will have your time will begin you'll have four

1348
01:55:55,200 --> 01:55:57,440
 minutes

1349
01:55:57,440 --> 01:56:05,560
 thank you for hearing me I appreciate it I'm Rebecca height I'm at 3800 Hampton

1350
01:56:05,560 --> 01:56:12,560
 Road so we are on the corner where you see the corner on the what is that on

1351
01:56:12,560 --> 01:56:16,360
 the west side or east side there the corner on the east side there's a house

1352
01:56:16,360 --> 01:56:21,720
 there and then we're right beside that our property line is at that corner part

1353
01:56:21,720 --> 01:56:27,680
 that meets so first of all of course we don't want the industrial park we don't

1354
01:56:27,680 --> 01:56:34,520
 want to see that through our backyard we also had concerns about the traffic the

1355
01:56:34,520 --> 01:56:38,040
 trucks that are driving through there we also have concerns about traffic

1356
01:56:38,040 --> 01:56:42,600
 driving through our residential area currently it's a very safe locked-in

1357
01:56:42,600 --> 01:56:48,480
 residential area where people walk and enjoy kids walk their dogs elderly walk

1358
01:56:48,480 --> 01:56:53,960
 their dogs it's just a nice safe community so we do have concerns about

1359
01:56:53,960 --> 01:56:58,080
 traffic and it has been discussed with signage and so forth so I'm not sure

1360
01:56:58,080 --> 01:57:05,040
 where we'll end up with that but we would really not we would really prefer

1361
01:57:05,040 --> 01:57:09,280
 it not to go to IL we really would if that's at all an option if we could keep

1362
01:57:09,280 --> 01:57:14,000
 it residential we had actually spoken about having it being residential at one

1363
01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:18,600
 point with an overlay for two acre lots or five acre five acre lots I don't

1364
01:57:18,600 --> 01:57:22,200
 think that ever was approved but that was something that we had discussed at

1365
01:57:22,200 --> 01:57:27,800
 one point in our community meetings we also understand that it is most of that

1366
01:57:27,800 --> 01:57:32,160
 is industrial but we would really appreciate your consideration because

1367
01:57:32,160 --> 01:57:37,000
 this is going right in our backyards and and some people they're going to be

1368
01:57:37,000 --> 01:57:42,880
 looking at it directly straight on so thank you for your time

1369
01:57:42,880 --> 01:57:57,480
 state your name and address and your time will begin hi hi I'm Anne Smith I

1370
01:57:57,480 --> 01:58:05,360
 live at 2013 Cindy Lane and thank you for being here and taking your time we

1371
01:58:05,360 --> 01:58:10,480
 appreciate your work that you do for the city of Denton Denton is characterized

1372
01:58:10,480 --> 01:58:16,000
 by exceptional livability the diversity of choices available to all people in

1373
01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:20,320
 employment lifestyle neighborhood settings and our North Texas values and

1374
01:58:20,320 --> 01:58:26,120
 cultures to find what didn't is and what we have to offer we have four strategic

1375
01:58:26,120 --> 01:58:32,280
 directions the character of Denton our people our institutions our government

1376
01:58:32,280 --> 01:58:39,120
 the strength of our economy sound growth our form and function Denton is a city

1377
01:58:39,120 --> 01:58:44,480
 built on character and the preservation of that character creating new

1378
01:58:44,480 --> 01:58:49,320
 complementary development is central to the committee's goals as it moves

1379
01:58:49,320 --> 01:58:54,960
 forward Denton is consciously green we are a leader in our commitment to

1380
01:58:54,960 --> 01:59:01,500
 sustainability and we have a significant urban tree canopy we also have seven

1381
01:59:01,500 --> 01:59:06,600
 hundred and fifty three thousand dollars 100 in the tree mitigation fund which we

1382
01:59:06,600 --> 01:59:10,680
 do hope that that fund is used for replacement of trees when development

1383
01:59:10,680 --> 01:59:16,520
 comes in and takes trees out the above statements were found in the Denton 2040

1384
01:59:16,520 --> 01:59:22,120
 comprehensive plan when you find a bird's nest in a tree or you find a

1385
01:59:22,120 --> 01:59:26,280
 little rabbit's nest under a bush and somebody wants to come and cut the tree

1386
01:59:26,280 --> 01:59:31,800
 down or cut the bush down or move the bush or whatever somebody could justify

1387
01:59:31,800 --> 01:59:36,920
 it by saying well the bird or the rabbit will find another place to live an

1388
01:59:36,920 --> 01:59:44,920
 industrial complex or a multifamily rural or residential complex developer

1389
01:59:44,920 --> 01:59:50,680
 can see land that they want they have a vision what is next to the land is

1390
01:59:50,680 --> 01:59:55,440
 secondary in that vision just like the birds and the rabbits because the

1391
01:59:55,440 --> 01:59:59,880
 developers have a desire to create something on the land they may not have

1392
01:59:59,880 --> 02:00:06,560
 a desire to respect their soon-to-be neighbors ranch estates is not new we're

1393
02:00:06,560 --> 02:00:13,200
 old our covenants were recorded with this Denton County in 1963 that was 59

1394
02:00:13,200 --> 02:00:19,240
 years ago you are the gatekeepers you look at each organization that comes in

1395
02:00:19,240 --> 02:00:24,880
 here and to Denton that wants to build something move something or replace

1396
02:00:24,880 --> 02:00:30,680
 something it is you the board who does not wear a political color of red or

1397
02:00:30,680 --> 02:00:36,400
 blue or does not see you with a biased eye it is the board who should have the

1398
02:00:36,400 --> 02:00:42,120
 backs of each and every citizen of Denton the current organizational chart

1399
02:00:42,120 --> 02:00:48,480
 updated October 27th 2021 says that the board commissioners and committees are

1400
02:00:48,480 --> 02:00:55,080
 on the same line as a city auditor both are under the City Council and the City

1401
02:00:55,080 --> 02:01:00,340
 Council is underneath the citizens of Denton we have a hundred and fifty one

1402
02:01:00,340 --> 02:01:06,160
 thousand two hundred and nineteen souls in Denton we need strong leaders with

1403
02:01:06,160 --> 02:01:12,560
 strong vision who will identify the quality of life for their citizens to

1404
02:01:12,560 --> 02:01:17,760
 have a meaningful vision for all of us here if you're from Ranch Estates would

1405
02:01:17,760 --> 02:01:24,800
 you hold up your hand please we have 60 households in Ranch Estates I was able

1406
02:01:24,800 --> 02:01:34,880
 to contact 50 households of the 50 all 50 but one wants the if this zoning is

1407
02:01:34,880 --> 02:01:42,480
 goes to light industrial and if that park strip the 34 acres is available to

1408
02:01:42,480 --> 02:01:50,520
 be purchased and to stay our are that's what we wish everybody wanted the 50 49

1409
02:01:50,520 --> 02:01:58,240
 wanted that option I do think that the city that Ranch Estates feels that we

1410
02:01:58,240 --> 02:02:06,000
 would like the section of land to stay our are because it is beautiful rural

1411
02:02:06,000 --> 02:02:16,440
 residential land thank you thank you Smith the next card I have is Julie

1412
02:02:16,440 --> 02:02:27,540
 Kleinkopf you'll say your name and address your time will begin Julie

1413
02:02:27,540 --> 02:02:32,400
 Kleinkopf and I'm from Ranch Estates too and I didn't prepare anything I just

1414
02:02:32,400 --> 02:02:37,400
 wanted to show up and say that everyone in our neighborhood that I've spoken to

1415
02:02:37,400 --> 02:02:43,400
 does not want it to turn to light residential until it absolutely has to

1416
02:02:43,400 --> 02:02:47,480
 so according to the plan that would be 2040 for Denton's vision and if we could

1417
02:02:47,480 --> 02:02:51,000
 come up with something else at that point that would be what I would vote

1418
02:02:51,000 --> 02:02:57,320
 for and we just love all the green and I think and did a really good job of you

1419
02:02:57,320 --> 02:03:03,800
 know explaining that some things just need to stay country and maybe large

1420
02:03:03,800 --> 02:03:07,680
 lots or something else would be preferable for my husband and I so

1421
02:03:07,680 --> 02:03:11,920
 that's all I wanted to say thank you

1422
02:03:11,920 --> 02:03:19,520
 next card I have is Jim and Jim I am sorry I do not know how to say your last

1423
02:03:19,520 --> 02:03:37,120
 name Poi raw if you'll say it for me I apologize the parole sounds like a cross

1424
02:03:37,120 --> 02:03:44,920
 but I'd like to join those saying thank you for being on the planning and zoning

1425
02:03:44,920 --> 02:03:52,960
 we understand how much time it takes to do your job Peggy and I have lived on

1426
02:03:52,960 --> 02:04:02,460
 Hampton Road for 46 years we came a long time ago and it is a delightful

1427
02:04:02,460 --> 02:04:09,440
 community if you come out and take a look there's chances are you'll see

1428
02:04:09,440 --> 02:04:17,920
 people riding horses and they'll have donkeys and goats and whatever they love

1429
02:04:17,920 --> 02:04:26,280
 animals and so when we heard of the change in zoning the first reaction was

1430
02:04:26,280 --> 02:04:32,120
 how is that going to affect us and I'd like to compliment the developers

1431
02:04:32,120 --> 02:04:38,720
 because as we read through what the developers were proposing it was clear

1432
02:04:38,720 --> 02:04:47,960
 that they were looking at the residents and trying to do a job that would

1433
02:04:47,960 --> 02:04:53,560
 satisfy us we know that that land sometime is going to be developed is

1434
02:04:53,560 --> 02:05:00,480
 what going to be right in the middle of Denton before too long and so our

1435
02:05:00,480 --> 02:05:08,240
 assumptions were it's going to change and then the other is how do we support a

1436
02:05:08,240 --> 02:05:13,640
 change that's going to live leave our community alone and I I think the idea

1437
02:05:13,640 --> 02:05:22,560
 of the park originally had all of us not excited but certainly pleased and now

1438
02:05:22,560 --> 02:05:30,840
 that there's the possibility that a resident will buy that and keep it as

1439
02:05:30,840 --> 02:05:38,580
 as ranch and I don't know if it was clear but this individual is going to

1440
02:05:38,580 --> 02:05:44,560
 sign that he or his family would not sell that land for another change the

1441
02:05:44,560 --> 02:05:51,920
 zoning in the land for 25 years and I don't imagine I'll be around to see if

1442
02:05:51,920 --> 02:05:57,320
 what happens at the end of that 25 years but that was a significant commitment

1443
02:05:57,320 --> 02:06:05,000
 that the buyer made so thank you for everything you're doing we support the

1444
02:06:05,000 --> 02:06:11,520
 development and we thank you again

1445
02:06:11,520 --> 02:06:18,520
 I don't have any other cards wishing to speak but this is a public hearing you

1446
02:06:18,520 --> 02:06:29,960
 certainly can come down to the podium hello then thank you very much

1447
02:06:29,960 --> 02:06:37,640
 I'm Gary Hellman live at 3900 Lariat Road and I guess really as this goes on

1448
02:06:37,640 --> 02:06:41,920
 there's more and more questions as I heard you talking to the gentleman from

1449
02:06:41,920 --> 02:06:48,640
 we're in about what needs to be planned as a visit with neighbors and I emailed

1450
02:06:48,640 --> 02:06:53,000
 and and I don't know whether any of the copied people read it we got to talking

1451
02:06:53,000 --> 02:06:57,880
 about employees there how many employees are going to be in this area and how

1452
02:06:57,880 --> 02:07:01,400
 many personal vehicles because we've been talking about trucks trucks trucks

1453
02:07:01,400 --> 02:07:05,280
 but how many personal vehicles will be going in and out of there that was one

1454
02:07:05,280 --> 02:07:11,060
 of the questions and and I think they tried to answer when loop 288 would be

1455
02:07:11,060 --> 02:07:17,120
 finished because that could really relieve a lot of pressure to the area so

1456
02:07:17,120 --> 02:07:22,880
 as this goes on it seems more and more thoughts given to other things besides

1457
02:07:22,880 --> 02:07:28,600
 trucks in the warehouse I saw some emails and I guess we're beginning to

1458
02:07:28,600 --> 02:07:34,760
 accept the fact that of everything that could be put in there even if it was

1459
02:07:34,760 --> 02:07:40,960
 houses us even close to the acreage that we have that the traffic is going to be

1460
02:07:40,960 --> 02:07:48,720
 more and this is probably the lesser of all the evils that could go in there

1461
02:07:48,720 --> 02:07:56,680
 because industrial would you know heavy industrial manufacturing that wouldn't

1462
02:07:56,680 --> 02:08:04,880
 be a great thing my grandparents old home and in Taylor's got Samsung moving

1463
02:08:04,880 --> 02:08:10,320
 in two miles from them that's it's just what could happen is going to happen

1464
02:08:10,320 --> 02:08:16,800
 because it's property the Bakers have the right to do what they shall with it

1465
02:08:16,800 --> 02:08:27,200
 but it just it just bothers me that the fact that there's still questions popping

1466
02:08:27,200 --> 02:08:36,720
 up that seem to address things like the egress to the property still need to be

1467
02:08:36,720 --> 02:08:42,200
 answered I'm not really for it but what can you

1468
02:08:42,200 --> 02:08:49,920
 do the I have to agree with questions I think the P&Z has brought up that there

1469
02:08:49,920 --> 02:08:58,560
 needs to be more questions answered thank you for your time is there anyone

1470
02:08:58,560 --> 02:09:04,080
 else wishing to speak on this item did you already speak you did not yet okay

1471
02:09:04,080 --> 02:09:14,600
 sure come on it please no you're fine thank you and my name is

1472
02:09:14,600 --> 02:09:20,800
 Toby carconia I'm at four one one five Hampton Road which is the furthest West

1473
02:09:20,800 --> 02:09:26,400
 house on one on Hampton so I will be three hundred and two feet away from the

1474
02:09:26,400 --> 02:09:32,800
 back or the front of the first building for 20 years I've woken up and been able

1475
02:09:32,800 --> 02:09:38,800
 to look at my specifically large window in my dining room and and to see the

1476
02:09:38,800 --> 02:09:44,640
 trees and the cows and the donkeys that somebody mentioned and so I really don't

1477
02:09:44,640 --> 02:09:50,800
 want that to end I don't want that to go away so I very much appreciate the fact

1478
02:09:50,800 --> 02:09:56,280
 that the park was proposed and now the Baker's potentially taking over that to

1479
02:09:56,280 --> 02:10:02,960
 preserve what I see every day I would just ask and I don't even know if this

1480
02:10:02,960 --> 02:10:08,120
 is the right forum but I wanted it to be heard that something's gonna happen just

1481
02:10:08,120 --> 02:10:13,080
 like the gentleman said we know it's gonna happen if we can protect as much

1482
02:10:13,080 --> 02:10:19,840
 as what we deal with every day meaning we want to see the agriculture we don't

1483
02:10:19,840 --> 02:10:26,480
 want excessive traffic on our road our kids play out there our horses walk on

1484
02:10:26,480 --> 02:10:35,440
 the streets we ride our golf carts and if we could protect that that's that's

1485
02:10:35,440 --> 02:10:39,720
 certainly the goal I was one of the ones that met with Lee and Lee thank you for

1486
02:10:39,720 --> 02:10:45,280
 allowing that I had asked him if we could if we could potentially move

1487
02:10:45,280 --> 02:10:51,160
 building one and then the subsequent buildings back even just a little bit so

1488
02:10:51,160 --> 02:10:55,800
 I would like that to be considered it gets a little bit further away from us

1489
02:10:55,800 --> 02:11:03,720
 maybe a higher wall before the property starts would even or a thicker wall would

1490
02:11:03,720 --> 02:11:11,320
 would even be better the last thing I will ask for is and and Rancher States

1491
02:11:11,320 --> 02:11:17,240
 has come up against this battle a lot with the traffic and what he just said

1492
02:11:17,240 --> 02:11:23,480
 was you know if if this light industrial becomes leased warehouses with employees

1493
02:11:23,480 --> 02:11:27,880
 just like it is on Western you're going to have you're gonna have employee

1494
02:11:27,880 --> 02:11:32,520
 traffic and those employees will find that way through Rancher States there's

1495
02:11:32,520 --> 02:11:35,440
 no doubt that's what happened when there's a wreck on 380 they come through

1496
02:11:35,440 --> 02:11:38,200
 Rancher States we can always we can always tell when there's a wreck out

1497
02:11:38,200 --> 02:11:44,840
 there so I would like to ask for some type of formal protection for the Ranch

1498
02:11:44,840 --> 02:11:52,480
 of States entrances on on Marsh Branch and on Cindy and on Marshall to keep the

1499
02:11:52,480 --> 02:11:57,880
 north the you know the outside public out and and protect our streets and the

1500
02:11:57,880 --> 02:12:16,560
 safety of our streets thank you else wishing to speak hi thank you

1501
02:12:16,560 --> 02:12:23,760
 hi thank you guys also for listening to all of us tonight appreciate your

1502
02:12:23,760 --> 02:12:29,280
 service my name is Charles C. Wildman my husband Keith Wildman and we live at

1503
02:12:29,280 --> 02:12:35,400
 3818 Lariat Road in Ranch of States and I would just like to say that you know I

1504
02:12:35,400 --> 02:12:41,280
 agree with what's been spoken that I would prefer to see this day our are as

1505
02:12:41,280 --> 02:12:48,920
 long as we can and then if that cannot you know to you know push back what's

1506
02:12:48,920 --> 02:12:52,880
 been asked like the building one to give more of a buffer and what we have in

1507
02:12:52,880 --> 02:12:59,040
 Ranch of States again has been there for a long time we enjoy just the space of

1508
02:12:59,040 --> 02:13:05,440
 and the camaraderie in the neighborhood but also the space and having you know

1509
02:13:05,440 --> 02:13:10,600
 the freedom to be outside move around not worry about the traffic and all of

1510
02:13:10,600 --> 02:13:17,480
 that and but it just seems like having an industrial just right outside of us

1511
02:13:17,480 --> 02:13:24,720
 is in great contrast to a neighborhood setting like that and just real quickly

1512
02:13:24,720 --> 02:13:31,600
 of course I'm against it as well we are an established neighborhood I work from

1513
02:13:31,600 --> 02:13:36,400
 home that's why I'm dressed like I am sorry about that but yeah you know I

1514
02:13:36,400 --> 02:13:41,600
 work from home I see most of my neighbors pets come by my window every

1515
02:13:41,600 --> 02:13:47,400
 day I look out I have two windows that I can look out one on to Lariat one on to

1516
02:13:47,400 --> 02:13:53,240
 Cindy and so I can see traffic which is never there which is great because our

1517
02:13:53,240 --> 02:13:59,040
 streets are not that good the city did come through and put another layer on

1518
02:13:59,040 --> 02:14:03,600
 top of what was there but those are cracking and giving way so absolutely no

1519
02:14:03,600 --> 02:14:08,400
 heavy trucks should be on our streets cutting through the neighborhood so I

1520
02:14:08,400 --> 02:14:13,800
 think everyone else has spoken to the points I would have brought up we love

1521
02:14:13,800 --> 02:14:19,920
 it we've been there for about what 15 years we bought it to raise our children

1522
02:14:19,920 --> 02:14:24,680
 which we've done and just to be able to enjoy it in retirement so I'm really

1523
02:14:24,680 --> 02:14:33,720
 hoping that we can keep it the way it is thank you anyone else wishing to speak

1524
02:14:41,120 --> 02:14:47,040
 hello my name is Jessica far I'm one of the owners of 1990 North Lariat Drive

1525
02:14:47,040 --> 02:14:51,000
 I'm not gonna be saying anything really different than everybody else is saying

1526
02:14:51,000 --> 02:14:54,800
 here but this is an important issue and I wanted as many people to speak on as

1527
02:14:54,800 --> 02:15:00,100
 possible but you know I second a lot of what a lot of the people up here have

1528
02:15:00,100 --> 02:15:04,760
 said tonight I think if everybody could keep it the same we all would we like

1529
02:15:04,760 --> 02:15:08,680
 kind of the way the neighborhood is as it stands but I did want to recognize

1530
02:15:08,680 --> 02:15:12,200
 the work that the developers have done here they've really tried to hear all of

1531
02:15:12,200 --> 02:15:17,760
 us and recognize you know our points of view I second that I think Austin Baker

1532
02:15:17,760 --> 02:15:21,920
 should buy the tract protecting the neighborhood from any kind of bill that

1533
02:15:21,920 --> 02:15:27,600
 goes there as far as light industrial is concerned what I love it if it wasn't

1534
02:15:27,600 --> 02:15:31,880
 absolutely but I would absolutely prefer light industrial to multifamily homes

1535
02:15:31,880 --> 02:15:36,400
 and kind of local people kind of living in that space so I support the plan as

1536
02:15:36,400 --> 02:15:40,040
 is but do you think that there should be protections in place as far as heavy

1537
02:15:40,040 --> 02:15:45,480
 trucks and as much as those buildings could be covered or the developers could

1538
02:15:45,480 --> 02:15:48,600
 work with us to kind of conceal and make sure that you know the neighborhood sees

1539
02:15:48,600 --> 02:15:53,200
 you know as beautiful of a spot as they could I hope that that's what we see in

1540
02:15:53,200 --> 02:15:57,840
 the future but I do support this so thank you thank you

1541
02:15:57,840 --> 02:16:01,920
 anyone else wishing to speak

1542
02:16:06,440 --> 02:16:09,440
 thank you

1543
02:16:09,440 --> 02:16:15,400
 I'm Julie's roll on I live on 1912 lariat with my husband and three boys

1544
02:16:15,400 --> 02:16:19,720
 we're newer to the neighborhood but we move there specifically because my

1545
02:16:19,720 --> 02:16:25,960
 husband's prior military PTSD the works we wanted somewhere that he would feel

1546
02:16:25,960 --> 02:16:29,440
 at peace we saw that house fell in love with the house fell in love with the

1547
02:16:29,440 --> 02:16:34,440
 neighborhood and to have this there is going to ruin that quite a bit

1548
02:16:34,440 --> 02:16:39,200
 especially having all that traffic coming through I'm against it if that

1549
02:16:39,200 --> 02:16:43,240
 building one could at least be put back more trees anything to preserve the

1550
02:16:43,240 --> 02:16:49,320
 greenery and the piece that we currently have I would prefer that I don't think

1551
02:16:49,320 --> 02:16:52,440
 you're gonna find property like that anywhere in Denton we've looked and

1552
02:16:52,440 --> 02:16:56,440
 looked and looked and this one kind of God placed it in our path and it worked

1553
02:16:56,440 --> 02:17:02,200
 out and I'm with everybody else in the community we oppose it it's probably

1554
02:17:02,200 --> 02:17:05,240
 gonna happen but at least push that building back and put some trees and try

1555
02:17:05,240 --> 02:17:10,920
 to preserve it just a little bit would be great thank you thank you

1556
02:17:10,920 --> 02:17:20,240
 anyone else wishing to speak I do have two people who did fill out cards not

1557
02:17:20,240 --> 02:17:30,720
 wishing to speak but both in opposition that we will put into the record anyone

1558
02:17:30,720 --> 02:17:36,840
 else wishing to speak okay seeing none and I don't have anyone on the phone I'm

1559
02:17:36,840 --> 02:17:41,880
 gonna go ahead and close the public hearing and open the floor for a motion

1560
02:17:41,880 --> 02:17:49,720
 or discussion commissioner Anderson thank you chair mr. Ramsey can I ask a

1561
02:17:49,720 --> 02:17:53,640
 question I mean you might come back down for a second

1562
02:17:57,280 --> 02:18:02,640
 hearing all the people speak I mean you get the hint that there's mostly

1563
02:18:02,640 --> 02:18:06,920
 opposition against this but they are willing to compromise it sounds like a

1564
02:18:06,920 --> 02:18:11,920
 little bit if but would you guys be willing to move buildings back a little

1565
02:18:11,920 --> 02:18:16,400
 bit to add more green more trees there to help protect the environment that

1566
02:18:16,400 --> 02:18:19,920
 they currently have that they do see is that something that y'all would be

1567
02:18:19,920 --> 02:18:23,560
 willing to entertain yeah we would have there we feel like we've done that

1568
02:18:23,560 --> 02:18:28,360
 because if you look at what we're ever we're giving up 14.4 percent of our

1569
02:18:28,360 --> 02:18:33,560
 entire site already and then on the backs because if you total up all the

1570
02:18:33,560 --> 02:18:40,040
 land that we're either dedicating to selling to open space or which or

1571
02:18:40,040 --> 02:18:45,160
 dedicating the park whatever whatever happens there it's about 14.4 percent of

1572
02:18:45,160 --> 02:18:51,560
 our site so you know are we talking in 10 feet 50 feet you know we also have a

1573
02:18:51,560 --> 02:18:57,440
 landscape berm of 35 feet on the inside of our property after the park or after

1574
02:18:57,440 --> 02:19:03,800
 the open space it's got a berm and a and a fence let me see here if I can find

1575
02:19:03,800 --> 02:19:09,480
 that right there so if you notice notice on that the the open space would end

1576
02:19:09,480 --> 02:19:14,280
 here it would have a berm and then a masonry wall and on top of that berm

1577
02:19:14,280 --> 02:19:18,320
 that's approximately three feet tall it's going to have a landscaping and a

1578
02:19:18,320 --> 02:19:22,900
 buffer big and that's again that's one reason we left this is rr because it

1579
02:19:22,900 --> 02:19:28,480
 would force a buffer between rr and the Li so we feel like we've really tried

1580
02:19:28,480 --> 02:19:33,680
 that but I mean you know every you know every square foot we give up to that

1581
02:19:33,680 --> 02:19:36,680
 development we feel like we've tried very hard to do what I mean what is that

1582
02:19:36,680 --> 02:19:40,840
 are we talking 100 feet 200 feet 10 feet you know I don't I don't really know

1583
02:19:40,840 --> 02:19:44,000
 what that looks like I think showing the slide again may help a little bit

1584
02:19:44,000 --> 02:19:46,160
 because you know going through it a minute ago it's kind of you know we're

1585
02:19:46,160 --> 02:19:49,960
 running out of time you're speaking a little bit but also if you put the road

1586
02:19:49,960 --> 02:19:54,520
 there to widen Hampton right that's because on one of the sides isn't that

1587
02:19:54,520 --> 02:19:59,480
 where you're gonna put the road part of this right there on the side of the

1588
02:19:59,480 --> 02:20:03,040
 south side of the building one on the south side of building what there you

1589
02:20:03,040 --> 02:20:06,280
 have next slide that one right there that's going to take up some of the

1590
02:20:06,280 --> 02:20:10,240
 greenery right that if you know that road that's the southern road so that

1591
02:20:10,240 --> 02:20:14,920
 park actually stopped so what we did we tried to run it as we passed this house

1592
02:20:14,920 --> 02:20:20,320
 if you notice right here all to the edge of this gas well pad we tried to bring

1593
02:20:20,320 --> 02:20:24,580
 that buffer as far as we could down this way this is probably more like what the

1594
02:20:24,580 --> 02:20:29,800
 entrance is going to end up looking like going in without these sections here and

1595
02:20:29,800 --> 02:20:36,440
 then tying back in to moss branch here but so this won't be here this will

1596
02:20:36,440 --> 02:20:40,920
 actually be open space this is kind of dead spot to our development so what

1597
02:20:40,920 --> 02:20:44,520
 we're talking about you know we're giving up this land but then also this

1598
02:20:44,520 --> 02:20:48,400
 is not going to be developed either it's just not dedicated because it's kind of

1599
02:20:48,400 --> 02:20:52,920
 a dead spot so that's actually going to end up being a buffer because we've got

1600
02:20:52,920 --> 02:20:58,120
 to give this piece to the city for right away so I didn't even allocate that in

1601
02:20:58,120 --> 02:21:03,160
 my buffer numbers because it's just kind of dead right it's not really big enough

1602
02:21:03,160 --> 02:21:09,000
 to put any buildings on because once that road comes through so it's still

1603
02:21:09,000 --> 02:21:12,920
 going to be zoned but in all reality it's going to be hard to build to build

1604
02:21:12,920 --> 02:21:18,020
 something there okay and my last question I think is you think mr.

1605
02:21:18,020 --> 02:21:22,360
 Baker is open to purchasing that property back to keep it that way yeah

1606
02:21:22,360 --> 02:21:26,960
 I met with him this morning actually and you know I explained to him about the

1607
02:21:26,960 --> 02:21:30,560
 easements that needed to be on it and we would go ahead and get a contract in

1608
02:21:30,560 --> 02:21:34,480
 place now but it wouldn't close until the plat was approved just to make sure

1609
02:21:34,480 --> 02:21:38,800
 that we had all the easements that we need for the platting piece of it and

1610
02:21:38,800 --> 02:21:43,840
 yeah we he was agreeable this morning exactly because I think that's another

1611
02:21:43,840 --> 02:21:47,520
 concern of theirs is eventually after that's over somebody comes in buys it

1612
02:21:47,520 --> 02:21:51,440
 tries to develop something else on it okay I appreciate it thank you very much

1613
02:21:51,440 --> 02:21:55,120
 thank you and Commissioner Anderson I just want to remind you I mean what

1614
02:21:55,120 --> 02:22:01,800
 we're voting on today is simply zoning this parcel not that little corner but

1615
02:22:01,800 --> 02:22:07,920
 to ally which opens to anything that that that allows and it has nothing to

1616
02:22:07,920 --> 02:22:11,780
 do with this concept plan there's nothing that that he could promise

1617
02:22:11,780 --> 02:22:15,920
 everything to you and in your question right there it does not gonna I mean

1618
02:22:15,920 --> 02:22:19,400
 there's there's no teeth in that so that's not at all what we're voting on

1619
02:22:19,400 --> 02:22:24,120
 the cut it's just a concept plan it's what they want to do if given the zoning

1620
02:22:24,120 --> 02:22:28,160
 change but there's nothing that we're doing tonight that has anything to do

1621
02:22:28,160 --> 02:22:34,640
 with moving around the concept plan that what we're voting on tonight so just

1622
02:22:34,640 --> 02:22:40,960
 wanted to clarify that with you Commissioner Smith thank you chair I like

1623
02:22:40,960 --> 02:22:47,140
 the project I think the projects good the I think it makes sense for that that

1624
02:22:47,140 --> 02:22:53,400
 area just with the expansion of 288 coming in at some point but I did have a

1625
02:22:53,400 --> 02:22:58,360
 couple questions Lisa on specifically going back to the PD and I was asking

1626
02:22:58,360 --> 02:23:02,160
 questions after the applicants have a presentation primarily about those deed

1627
02:23:02,160 --> 02:23:05,640
 restrictions because the way I understand it legally from my experiences

1628
02:23:05,640 --> 02:23:08,720
 that those deed restrictions and when it comes to zoning as you expressed

1629
02:23:08,720 --> 02:23:14,400
 publicly they're pretty flimsy and so walk me through the differences if this

1630
02:23:14,400 --> 02:23:21,200
 was a PD instead of being an ally zoning case with a possible buyer deed

1631
02:23:21,200 --> 02:23:25,600
 restriction so on and so forth all things that this governing body council

1632
02:23:25,600 --> 02:23:30,960
 have no impact on whatsoever we do have impacts control PD and going forward in

1633
02:23:30,960 --> 02:23:35,360
 the future I think within my understanding that the PD could protect

1634
02:23:35,360 --> 02:23:39,280
 some of those things and that let that be governed and seen from our level the

1635
02:23:39,280 --> 02:23:44,960
 local level so walk me through that okay so since this is a straight zoning case

1636
02:23:44,960 --> 02:23:51,360
 and it does not include that piece of property that could be the AG slash Park

1637
02:23:51,360 --> 02:23:58,600
 sounds like AG property we've had that same boundaries and the straight

1638
02:23:58,600 --> 02:24:01,160
 zoning it meets that that's why they went with it and did not know with the

1639
02:24:01,160 --> 02:24:04,960
 PD because there's nothing to deviate from because they can meet the code with

1640
02:24:04,960 --> 02:24:11,280
 that it with the if they included that lower piece that's that AG area then

1641
02:24:11,280 --> 02:24:16,560
 they can include that in a PD and make it where you all can require that that

1642
02:24:16,560 --> 02:24:22,600
 is a park AG whatever you want it to be and that's documented and it has to be

1643
02:24:22,600 --> 02:24:27,280
 like that until somebody if anybody ever comes back to amend the PD they'd have

1644
02:24:27,280 --> 02:24:32,360
 to come back before you so pushing back a building has some of them have

1645
02:24:32,360 --> 02:24:36,520
 requested you could do that in a PD and say yes this building has to be pushed

1646
02:24:36,520 --> 02:24:41,160
 back this many more feet as part of straight zoning because yes this concept

1647
02:24:41,160 --> 02:24:45,240
 plan is just a concept it's not an actual plan then that was a second part of my

1648
02:24:45,240 --> 02:24:48,280
 conversation on that was gonna be about the site plan that comes along with the

1649
02:24:48,280 --> 02:24:51,920
 PD but let me ask you one question you can finish your statement so on the

1650
02:24:51,920 --> 02:24:56,760
 let's say goes through it we were to table this see if applicants willing to

1651
02:24:56,760 --> 02:25:00,840
 even look at a PD whatever I'm making hypotheticals here but on the on the PD

1652
02:25:00,840 --> 02:25:04,440
 side of things if in the future they ever wanted to sell off that land it's

1653
02:25:04,440 --> 02:25:07,480
 parceled out and the plan development that this is rural has to use for

1654
02:25:07,480 --> 02:25:10,480
 agricultural use all things the neighborhood wants the items that the

1655
02:25:10,480 --> 02:25:15,560
 that the applicants are amenable to they want to sell off that land it would

1656
02:25:15,560 --> 02:25:18,520
 still take or that someone wants to develop that piece of land it come back

1657
02:25:18,520 --> 02:25:22,880
 you don't take a PD amendment to do that correct if you're talking about that AG

1658
02:25:22,880 --> 02:25:27,800
 piece of property with that that's not part of the actual zoning request and

1659
02:25:27,800 --> 02:25:33,080
 so it's going to stay RR regardless of what happens tonight and so that can be

1660
02:25:33,080 --> 02:25:37,440
 bought and sold of course if somebody ever wanted to rezone it if they wanted

1661
02:25:37,440 --> 02:25:41,320
 to request that they would have to come before this board as well as council as

1662
02:25:41,320 --> 02:25:48,680
 it stands RR only allows AG uses and homesteads and any kind of uses that go

1663
02:25:48,680 --> 02:25:53,300
 along with farming and ranching I'm asking I'm asking from the standpoint of

1664
02:25:53,300 --> 02:25:58,400
 if it was included in a zoning request that AG strip land was including in a

1665
02:25:58,400 --> 02:26:02,720
 zoning request but in that in that PD zoning request it was designated as being

1666
02:26:02,720 --> 02:26:06,080
 agriculture later on the property owner wants to do something with that

1667
02:26:06,080 --> 02:26:09,600
 agricultural land they've defined within there it would take a PD amendment

1668
02:26:09,600 --> 02:26:13,200
 yes if it was included in the PD then yes you would have to come back and amend

1669
02:26:13,200 --> 02:26:17,880
 the PD if they sold it off and then somebody else wanted to do that they'd

1670
02:26:17,880 --> 02:26:20,560
 have to come back and do the PD amendment there as well same thing right

1671
02:26:20,560 --> 02:26:25,080
 PD runs with the land not the owner on the site plan of course the doing the

1672
02:26:25,080 --> 02:26:28,000
 site plan would allow for the codification of something like this

1673
02:26:28,000 --> 02:26:32,960
 concept plan whereas as chair Ellis has mentioned that this concept plan is just

1674
02:26:32,960 --> 02:26:37,840
 that it's conceptual that it's what is intended the setbacks and the things

1675
02:26:37,840 --> 02:26:42,960
 that trust the developer and the applicant are truthful honest people you

1676
02:26:42,960 --> 02:26:46,040
 know good small business owners here in Denton will honor those things you're

1677
02:26:46,040 --> 02:26:49,880
 saying but there technically is nothing that holds them that holds them to this

1678
02:26:49,880 --> 02:26:54,160
 after the zoning goes through is that correct as well to this exact plan but

1679
02:26:54,160 --> 02:26:57,960
 they do still have to meet everything in the PD as far as the uses and design

1680
02:26:57,960 --> 02:27:05,520
 details they're 35 foot it's actually 30 foot between plus the right of way

1681
02:27:05,520 --> 02:27:11,240
 there at Hamilton yes so it'd be another call it call it 45 feet yes including

1682
02:27:11,240 --> 02:27:23,640
 the right away there got it understood mr. Ramsey can I ask you a question I

1683
02:27:23,640 --> 02:27:28,640
 think the intent of the strip of land makes a lot of sense and I appreciate

1684
02:27:28,640 --> 02:27:31,560
 you guys finding a buyer and having some good things there I think my only

1685
02:27:31,560 --> 02:27:36,720
 concern is just that it's not there's not a formal agreement to it and I know

1686
02:27:36,720 --> 02:27:40,360
 that you got backup plans it doesn't provide a lot of protections but that's

1687
02:27:40,360 --> 02:27:45,440
 not really my question I was gonna ask you down here the how inhibitive would

1688
02:27:45,440 --> 02:27:49,440
 it be for you as an applicant to coming back with a site plan if this was to

1689
02:27:49,440 --> 02:27:55,000
 come back as a plant as a PD well you know I think I don't know that we're a

1690
02:27:55,000 --> 02:27:58,960
 hundred percent against it but our time is gonna start over basically again so

1691
02:27:58,960 --> 02:28:01,600
 we're probably you know we've been working on this thing with neighborhood

1692
02:28:01,600 --> 02:28:06,160
 meetings for months and so it's gonna add another you know months to our

1693
02:28:06,160 --> 02:28:12,000
 project so I mean if that's my only option I mean I think we look at that

1694
02:28:12,000 --> 02:28:15,920
 there is an option we could possibly do and Tina we thought about while setting

1695
02:28:15,920 --> 02:28:24,800
 up there was on the plat could we dedicate a no build easement yes and one

1696
02:28:24,800 --> 02:28:27,560
 of the thoughts I had was Commissioner Smith when you were going through your

1697
02:28:27,560 --> 02:28:31,520
 line of questioning with Lisa is that if this southern portion of property was

1698
02:28:31,520 --> 02:28:36,240
 included as part of the a plan development district request we would

1699
02:28:36,240 --> 02:28:40,040
 want to establish some requirements within the plan development district to

1700
02:28:40,040 --> 02:28:44,000
 ensure that it remains open space but then we would could reaffirm that also

1701
02:28:44,000 --> 02:28:51,040
 on a plat and have it designated as a no build easement so therefore if that

1702
02:28:51,040 --> 02:28:56,440
 easement is ever removed it has to come back through this city but we in order

1703
02:28:56,440 --> 02:29:00,440
 to make that easement more enforceable we would need to have provisions within

1704
02:29:00,440 --> 02:29:05,720
 the zoning for us to be able to enforce it because otherwise if I don't have

1705
02:29:05,720 --> 02:29:09,160
 anything to hold the property owner accountable for providing that easement

1706
02:29:09,160 --> 02:29:14,680
 they could submit a plat and request to be removed so I'm sorry no I was I say

1707
02:29:14,680 --> 02:29:20,720
 excuse me so you know if if the if the applicant and the Commission are

1708
02:29:20,720 --> 02:29:24,960
 interested in trying to establish some sort of plan development district while

1709
02:29:24,960 --> 02:29:29,800
 the while the Denton Development Code says that if a development can be

1710
02:29:29,800 --> 02:29:33,640
 accomplished under straight zoning it should be pursued in that manner given

1711
02:29:33,640 --> 02:29:37,240
 some of these unique constraints or circumstances surrounding this property

1712
02:29:37,240 --> 02:29:41,840
 with the residential adjacency you know we could explore the concept of a plan

1713
02:29:41,840 --> 02:29:45,800
 development district further with the applicant if there was interest in how

1714
02:29:45,800 --> 02:29:51,080
 better to restrict the development of the property on the south side if

1715
02:29:51,080 --> 02:29:56,120
 there's interest in establishing some sort of minimum setback so with respect

1716
02:29:56,120 --> 02:30:00,440
 to building number one that is amenable for the developer and that the

1717
02:30:00,440 --> 02:30:05,280
 Commission is comfortable with and ultimately City Council and then also

1718
02:30:05,280 --> 02:30:10,220
 addressing the plan that's being attached you know if there's concern that

1719
02:30:10,220 --> 02:30:15,400
 the plan could evolve then what's shown here I mean technically that plan could

1720
02:30:15,400 --> 02:30:19,360
 be attached to the plan development district coordinates and then it would

1721
02:30:19,360 --> 02:30:24,160
 require an amendment to the plan development district if that plan ever

1722
02:30:24,160 --> 02:30:28,480
 wanted to be modified we would probably put language I would recommend that we

1723
02:30:28,480 --> 02:30:31,680
 would include language though within the plan development district that provides

1724
02:30:31,680 --> 02:30:35,120
 some level of flexibility because we realize issues come up in the

1725
02:30:35,120 --> 02:30:38,960
 development of engineering plans but you know if that's the direction the

1726
02:30:38,960 --> 02:30:44,280
 Commission is heading down and if the applicant is amenable happy to work

1727
02:30:44,280 --> 02:30:48,880
 through those items I would request that the Commission consider tabling this

1728
02:30:48,880 --> 02:30:52,040
 request we would likely have to re-notice this application if we're

1729
02:30:52,040 --> 02:30:55,440
 going to expand the area of consideration it does cause additional

1730
02:30:55,440 --> 02:30:59,920
 delay though to the applicant sure so two things in your point or your

1731
02:30:59,920 --> 02:31:06,280
 question Tina or the things you brought up one the I totally understand if it

1732
02:31:06,280 --> 02:31:09,880
 seemed it can seem like from the very surface level of this is a straight

1733
02:31:09,880 --> 02:31:15,360
 zoning case the fact that we're giving we're giving up land extra land you

1734
02:31:15,360 --> 02:31:21,120
 know as a buffer that's not required per the zoning to me screams it's not a

1735
02:31:21,120 --> 02:31:29,000
 straight zoning case in that scenario and so we're looking at a boundary piece

1736
02:31:29,000 --> 02:31:35,040
 of land I understand yeah I understand I understand the can you go into the the

1737
02:31:35,040 --> 02:31:40,640
 no-build easement a little bit more Tina right so a no-build easement typically

1738
02:31:40,640 --> 02:31:44,760
 when established on the plat restricts any buildings from being developed

1739
02:31:44,760 --> 02:31:49,800
 within that area so it's it essentially prohibits any construction of any

1740
02:31:49,800 --> 02:31:53,920
 structures in that area and then it gets that that goes through that wouldn't be

1741
02:31:53,920 --> 02:31:56,560
 it's that wouldn't be at this step of zoning they would be at the step of

1742
02:31:56,560 --> 02:32:00,200
 plotting correct I just want to make sure we could possibly make it a

1743
02:32:00,200 --> 02:32:04,760
 requirement of zoning that that becomes a no no-build easement on plaque correct

1744
02:32:04,760 --> 02:32:09,000
 when that condition gets attached to a straight zoning request it essentially

1745
02:32:09,000 --> 02:32:14,120
 makes it a plan development district request so so in order for us to be able

1746
02:32:14,120 --> 02:32:18,540
 to enforce that no-build easement we would need to establish it through the

1747
02:32:18,540 --> 02:32:23,600
 zoning process but ultimately it's it's also put on the plat to acknowledge that

1748
02:32:23,600 --> 02:32:27,640
 that exists but the zoning is where the greater enforcement is from the city's

1749
02:32:27,640 --> 02:32:32,920
 perspective to ensure that there's no construction or no development happening

1750
02:32:32,920 --> 02:32:37,520
 within that that that no-build zone so what you're saying to make sure I

1751
02:32:37,520 --> 02:32:40,680
 understand you is that the no-build easement could be a possible to it but

1752
02:32:40,680 --> 02:32:43,680
 attaching at this point in time would kick it into PD which would basically

1753
02:32:43,680 --> 02:32:46,320
 mean that we don't need to re-notice is that what you're saying is that gonna go

1754
02:32:46,320 --> 02:32:49,960
 that is correct okay guys make sure that's all questions I have I guess a

1755
02:32:49,960 --> 02:32:54,200
 question that I would just have is what kind of concerns and things would we

1756
02:32:54,200 --> 02:32:58,720
 want to see in a PD from from this council I mean we've heard a setback you

1757
02:32:58,720 --> 02:33:02,560
 know allowance because if we say okay these buildings of these sizes need to

1758
02:33:02,560 --> 02:33:06,840
 go here that really limits when we're leasing or building these buildings of

1759
02:33:06,840 --> 02:33:10,520
 what tenants we get in out we haven't had any discussion about jobs to our

1760
02:33:10,520 --> 02:33:14,360
 city about the economic impact to our city and those are things that we really

1761
02:33:14,360 --> 02:33:18,320
 need to consider so if we go in and lock this thing down on a PD and say your

1762
02:33:18,320 --> 02:33:21,920
 buildings can only be this size or that I mean you guys have an also

1763
02:33:21,920 --> 02:33:26,680
 responsibility to the business community of here too to say look we're trying to

1764
02:33:26,680 --> 02:33:31,480
 be to work with give buffers but these are our also jobs and it's part of the

1765
02:33:31,480 --> 02:33:35,620
 2040 plan and we're lining up with everything that you guys just voted on

1766
02:33:35,620 --> 02:33:41,240
 yeah we're gonna go on that we've got a couple other commissioners who are

1767
02:33:41,240 --> 02:33:48,640
 wishing to speak so we're gonna we're gonna somebody else has questions we

1768
02:33:48,640 --> 02:33:53,320
 hang on Commissioner Villarreal just have a quick clarifying question for

1769
02:33:53,320 --> 02:33:59,800
 Lisa I know you mentioned briefly during the work session that GEO was considered

1770
02:33:59,800 --> 02:34:04,560
 is that correct it was considered earlier today as a possibility but the

1771
02:34:04,560 --> 02:34:09,800
 applicant his developer won't they have they need something that is at least

1772
02:34:09,800 --> 02:34:15,360
 done industrial in order to move forward but another developer might use that sure

1773
02:34:15,360 --> 02:34:22,560
 is there a reason for that yeah so actually I went through since we talked

1774
02:34:22,560 --> 02:34:25,880
 about that and went through each line item of what was approved in GEO and

1775
02:34:25,880 --> 02:34:30,800
 what was improved in Li and there is not a ton of difference there's actually

1776
02:34:30,800 --> 02:34:35,440
 some things that I think would be less attractive to the neighborhood in a GEO

1777
02:34:35,440 --> 02:34:38,400
 zoning because they're really similar but I think there's a little more

1778
02:34:38,400 --> 02:34:43,400
 landscaping required which we're gonna have anyway but I think there are some

1779
02:34:43,400 --> 02:34:47,600
 things in that GEO that would be worse for the neighborhood than be better

1780
02:34:47,600 --> 02:34:50,880
 once I really went through them because between our work session I actually went

1781
02:34:50,880 --> 02:34:54,200
 through and highlighted each one of them and I can get my notes if you'd like but

1782
02:34:54,200 --> 02:34:59,000
 I really don't think that would be better overall for the neighborhood after

1783
02:34:59,000 --> 02:35:03,880
 I took a look at it and plus if we want the type of developer we want they need

1784
02:35:03,880 --> 02:35:10,240
 in Li zoning for their for their industrial developments. Commissioner

1785
02:35:10,240 --> 02:35:22,520
 Pruitt. Thank you chair question for Lisa I think or yeah sorry in just a

1786
02:35:22,520 --> 02:35:27,040
 second perhaps for Tina just to make sure I understand this concept of the

1787
02:35:27,040 --> 02:35:33,760
 no-build easement I believe in some other cases in town although those are

1788
02:35:33,760 --> 02:35:39,040
 in special agreements we've had some conservation easements as opposed to

1789
02:35:39,040 --> 02:35:43,920
 no-build easements is that at all enforceable without a PD type zoning

1790
02:35:43,920 --> 02:35:49,800
 regulation independent of of that or is that no different than a no-build

1791
02:35:49,800 --> 02:35:54,080
 easement from the enforceability that you would need? So it's my understanding

1792
02:35:54,080 --> 02:35:58,720
 and I'm gonna look to my team that the conservation easement I believe is

1793
02:35:58,720 --> 02:36:02,080
 applicable to items potentially with respect to our environmentally sensitive

1794
02:36:02,080 --> 02:36:07,560
 areas I'm getting some affirmative nods I think I'm speaking correctly so and so

1795
02:36:07,560 --> 02:36:11,880
 it's more tied to the environmentally sensitive areas so in in this case

1796
02:36:11,880 --> 02:36:16,400
 because this is not that there's not an ESA on the south side of this property

1797
02:36:16,400 --> 02:36:21,160
 the conservation easement would not be an appropriate mechanism. Thank you that

1798
02:36:21,160 --> 02:36:31,720
 answers that. Good question. Lisa I get the sense that a lot of the concern could

1799
02:36:31,720 --> 02:36:38,080
 be because it's a concept plan we don't know all the possibilities that could

1800
02:36:38,080 --> 02:36:45,040
 happen to it with respect to setbacks from the parcel that's not in this

1801
02:36:45,040 --> 02:36:50,320
 straight zoning case right from the from the border of the parcel in question

1802
02:36:50,320 --> 02:36:58,400
 essentially. Can you tell us basically if someone else were to come in say the

1803
02:36:58,400 --> 02:37:03,000
 land got sold off somebody else came in and were to to do a different concept

1804
02:37:03,000 --> 02:37:09,760
 plan right and they had the LI zoning would it be possible to move that

1805
02:37:09,760 --> 02:37:14,400
 southern building appreciably closer to the southern border or is this shown

1806
02:37:14,400 --> 02:37:21,720
 basically where that setback requirement would limit that building's southward

1807
02:37:21,720 --> 02:37:27,720
 motion does that make sense I'm trying to bound you know if it changed could

1808
02:37:27,720 --> 02:37:33,000
 it just kind of reformat in the northern portion or could it actually become more

1809
02:37:33,000 --> 02:37:39,040
 encroaching to the community to the south. Right yes if the portion that is

1810
02:37:39,040 --> 02:37:42,160
 up for the zoning request was sold to somebody else and they decide to do

1811
02:37:42,160 --> 02:37:47,680
 something else they would still have to go according to the DDC setbacks and the

1812
02:37:47,680 --> 02:37:53,040
 landscape buffer that would be required because that property would still be

1813
02:37:53,040 --> 02:38:01,720
 zoned RR I don't know offhand what the setback is but and I don't know offhand

1814
02:38:01,720 --> 02:38:06,400
 what the setback they're proposing is if they even have an exact setback yet but

1815
02:38:06,400 --> 02:38:10,600
 there would still be a setback with the landscape buffer. So it's it's within the

1816
02:38:10,600 --> 02:38:15,120
 realm of how it's shown it's not gonna be half a building width closer or

1817
02:38:15,120 --> 02:38:21,280
 something like that right okay. And I want to bring up again I know Tina did

1818
02:38:21,280 --> 02:38:27,840
 before but if y'all decide that this would be best to consider this as a PD

1819
02:38:27,840 --> 02:38:34,600
 that we would have to re-notice if we want to include the ag tract in it and

1820
02:38:34,600 --> 02:38:40,240
 in addition the PD does require full ZCP plans so a site plan and landscape plan

1821
02:38:40,240 --> 02:38:44,360
 and tree plans and so all of that takes a lot of time to put together because

1822
02:38:44,360 --> 02:38:50,440
 they have not had to put have had to do that yet this is a concept plan so just

1823
02:38:50,440 --> 02:38:52,760
 so you know that that would not be coming back at the next meeting or

1824
02:38:52,760 --> 02:39:01,520
 anything like that so make sure y'all are aware. Yeah so I don't know which

1825
02:39:01,520 --> 02:39:09,560
 direction we're leaning but I'm I'm thankful that it was brought as a

1826
02:39:09,560 --> 02:39:17,060
 straight zoning to consider it that way because I think the things that the

1827
02:39:17,060 --> 02:39:22,000
 community is really concerned about are a very very small subset of what a PD

1828
02:39:22,000 --> 02:39:31,400
 would codify right and we just have to be very careful to over constrain the

1829
02:39:31,400 --> 02:39:38,000
 uses and and site details that would be perfectly fine right because all

1830
02:39:38,000 --> 02:39:46,080
 essentially that just adds time and cost so you know we'll see what happens. Well

1831
02:39:46,080 --> 02:39:49,480
 and I just wanted to make a point to what you were questioning about with

1832
02:39:49,480 --> 02:39:52,160
 this concept plan you know it's not a matter of like just building one

1833
02:39:52,160 --> 02:39:56,600
 getting moved if they sold the land it it doesn't have to be this doesn't have

1834
02:39:56,600 --> 02:40:02,160
 to be warehouse it could be anything that's in LI period you know so it's not

1835
02:40:02,160 --> 02:40:07,120
 a matter of looking at this plan and and and it getting changed because this plan

1836
02:40:07,120 --> 02:40:13,280
 doesn't exist it's just a concept and it's the use doesn't exist nothing there

1837
02:40:13,280 --> 02:40:19,120
 is no use that exists yet and there won't be a use that exists yet if this

1838
02:40:19,120 --> 02:40:24,440
 gets changed to LI it'll be whatever's allowed in LI that's that's the uses

1839
02:40:24,440 --> 02:40:29,760
 available. Yeah and to be fair I wasn't trying to ascertain the use I was trying

1840
02:40:29,760 --> 02:40:36,600
 to ascertain the the geographical freedom with which a building that would

1841
02:40:36,600 --> 02:40:41,400
 be developed on this site could move if if the approximate location that this is

1842
02:40:41,400 --> 02:40:47,280
 shown is pretty much as as far south as it could go given the the RR piece just

1843
02:40:47,280 --> 02:40:54,040
 south of there. Okay understood. Any other discussion we can entertain a

1844
02:40:54,040 --> 02:40:57,080
 motion more questions?

1845
02:41:02,440 --> 02:41:12,280
 Okay, no one wants to do anything. Commissioner Pruitt. I'm gonna move approval as presented I

1846
02:41:12,280 --> 02:41:21,920
 think you know change is hard and as we as we go forward like I said earlier we

1847
02:41:21,920 --> 02:41:30,280
 just we need to be very careful that we have confidence in in how things are

1848
02:41:30,280 --> 02:41:36,760
 being handled and protected and staff to to do their diligence but we need to not

1849
02:41:36,760 --> 02:41:45,760
 put so many handcuffs on things that that we inadvertently hamper the the

1850
02:41:45,760 --> 02:41:52,600
 development of the area in other ways so thank you. Thank you Commissioner

1851
02:41:52,600 --> 02:41:59,680
 Commissioner Smith. Thank you Chair. More thought about it the more that the

1852
02:41:59,680 --> 02:42:06,720
 restrictions that will come with the PD would I think it would basically be

1853
02:42:06,720 --> 02:42:12,000
 cutting off the nose despite the face if we did it that we'd be restricting the

1854
02:42:12,000 --> 02:42:17,040
 piece of land to specific uses without specific buyers on the inside of it it

1855
02:42:17,040 --> 02:42:23,640
 would cause a lot of undue returns back to make amendments to the PDs while the

1856
02:42:23,640 --> 02:42:28,920
 deed restriction and leaving that section as RR isn't in my opinion the

1857
02:42:28,920 --> 02:42:34,440
 most beneficial and most protective way for the neighborhood the fact that

1858
02:42:34,440 --> 02:42:39,560
 there's I'm not good at numbers even though I'm in finance 40 50 people in

1859
02:42:39,560 --> 02:42:43,760
 this room right now who are hearing us have this conversation I'm just gonna

1860
02:42:43,760 --> 02:42:47,880
 tell you that you're the you're the check-in balance in this one so the the

1861
02:42:47,880 --> 02:42:52,480
 city and this council this Commission won't be there to hold that piece of

1862
02:42:52,480 --> 02:42:58,440
 land to agriculture if it comes back and wants to be rezoned so without it I

1863
02:42:58,440 --> 02:43:00,960
 think that it's a it's a tough decision and I'm just gonna trust staff on this

1864
02:43:00,960 --> 02:43:08,040
 one so I'll second okay we have a first and a second for approval of the request

1865
02:43:08,040 --> 02:43:34,960
 any discussion okay okay just for the homeowners I know some of the projects

1866
02:43:34,960 --> 02:43:38,580
 mr. Ramsey and his group have done in the past and they do good they do really

1867
02:43:38,580 --> 02:43:42,680
 good work they are their group of integrity that's a slide show said

1868
02:43:42,680 --> 02:43:46,680
 they're integrity you know they have integrity and they're honest people I do

1869
02:43:46,680 --> 02:43:52,600
 find that truthful they are good people with that being said I think they're

1870
02:43:52,600 --> 02:43:56,440
 gonna do what you're gonna ask them to do I think they're gonna be honest and

1871
02:43:56,440 --> 02:44:02,240
 uphold their end of that bargain so you know I'm gonna vote for this thing I do

1872
02:44:02,240 --> 02:44:06,680
 want didn't do stay rural I totally understand your concerns I lived in a

1873
02:44:06,680 --> 02:44:12,080
 rural neighborhood in pilot point myself had to move away but we'd like to keep

1874
02:44:12,080 --> 02:44:17,480
 it as as well as it has been for the past 59 years that you know that the

1875
02:44:17,480 --> 02:44:21,800
 neighborhoods have been there but change is coming I mean loop treated it's

1876
02:44:21,800 --> 02:44:26,600
 coming around there things are going to happen as many of you said we'd rather

1877
02:44:26,600 --> 02:44:32,920
 have it light industrial and have it some warehousing there instead of

1878
02:44:32,920 --> 02:44:36,200
 businesses they're gonna have you know four or five hundred cars coming through

1879
02:44:36,200 --> 02:44:40,760
 there a day you know cars and not not 18-wheelers 18-wheelers aren't I have a

1880
02:44:40,760 --> 02:44:45,880
 feeling that 18-wheelers are not gonna come through your neighborhood if it was

1881
02:44:45,880 --> 02:44:52,160
 multifamily more housing you're gonna have people in their cars cutting

1882
02:44:52,160 --> 02:44:56,560
 through your neighborhoods a lot faster than 18-wheelers are and with this with

1883
02:44:56,560 --> 02:45:00,920
 that being said they're gonna try to divert I think they're traffic is gonna

1884
02:45:00,920 --> 02:45:05,880
 be trying to be diverted around your neighborhoods and but anyway I think

1885
02:45:05,880 --> 02:45:10,920
 this is the lesser two of lesser of two evils to be honest with you and with

1886
02:45:10,920 --> 02:45:15,160
 that being said I think they are gonna keep their word and do what they said

1887
02:45:15,160 --> 02:45:19,800
 and try to put as much green space between your neighborhood and their

1888
02:45:19,800 --> 02:45:24,520
 development and anyway I just want to let you know about that and but they

1889
02:45:24,520 --> 02:45:28,320
 they are they are a good company there they do keep their word so thank you

1890
02:45:28,320 --> 02:45:38,160
 chair anybody else with discussion we vote so I'll just say a few words thank

1891
02:45:38,160 --> 02:45:46,280
 you everyone for coming out and sharing your thoughts you know it is I've

1892
02:45:46,280 --> 02:45:52,440
 struggled with this as you heard me talk in work session because I think staff

1893
02:45:52,440 --> 02:45:56,360
 unfortunately in my opinion missed the boat on this and should have steered

1894
02:45:56,360 --> 02:46:02,880
 this developer toward a planned development because of the safety

1895
02:46:02,880 --> 02:46:06,480
 measures that we should be able to put in place for this established

1896
02:46:06,480 --> 02:46:14,280
 neighborhood this is a special part of our community and this is a highly

1897
02:46:14,280 --> 02:46:20,440
 respected group of developers Brandon Lee Jen I see Thomas up there this is a

1898
02:46:20,440 --> 02:46:26,400
 great group of people in town so it is nothing against this group but I don't

1899
02:46:26,400 --> 02:46:34,360
 ever consider a straight zoning change without thinking about all the

1900
02:46:34,360 --> 02:46:38,080
 ramifications and I can't just say because you're great people here you're

1901
02:46:38,080 --> 02:46:41,480
 gonna keep your word I just don't work like that sitting on this commission and

1902
02:46:41,480 --> 02:46:46,400
 I never have in the almost six years that I've been here so I think we missed

1903
02:46:46,400 --> 02:46:51,400
 the boat on this as a city because I think yes change is coming and yes a

1904
02:46:51,400 --> 02:46:56,800
 development is gonna happen but it could have been a better development and we

1905
02:46:56,800 --> 02:47:00,400
 could have had safeguards in place to where these homeowners who have been

1906
02:47:00,400 --> 02:47:06,120
 here living in this little rural spot that we have up there that have gone

1907
02:47:06,120 --> 02:47:10,360
 unprotected and unplanned through the years they could have had some

1908
02:47:10,360 --> 02:47:15,320
 safeguards in place and left you know feeling a little bit more protected not

1909
02:47:15,320 --> 02:47:19,160
 that they think nothing is going to happen with this land that's north of

1910
02:47:19,160 --> 02:47:27,200
 them but that it could happen with safeguards in place so that being said I

1911
02:47:27,200 --> 02:47:31,000
 don't see any other people wishing to speak let's go ahead and vote on the

1912
02:47:31,000 --> 02:47:33,120
 board

1913
02:47:46,080 --> 02:47:53,160
 that is a tie vote and motion fails three three Commissioner Smith

1914
02:47:53,160 --> 02:48:04,160
 Commissioner Smith make a motion to cut the tide if it's a tie so that goes the

1915
02:48:04,160 --> 02:48:08,200
 tire vote fails correct cuz we didn't get four or does it does it fault does

1916
02:48:08,200 --> 02:48:11,600
 it fail to a denial or is it failed to it fails to pass therefore you know the

1917
02:48:11,600 --> 02:48:16,920
 motion correct for affirmative votes right it failed was this oh it I think

1918
02:48:16,920 --> 02:48:20,160
 we're both on the same page go for it actually in this instance because it's a

1919
02:48:20,160 --> 02:48:24,200
 tie vote the code says that it would come back at the next meeting as an

1920
02:48:24,200 --> 02:48:29,360
 individual consideration item in the in the essence of the code the ordinance

1921
02:48:29,360 --> 02:48:34,560
 that we passed previously when it's a tie due to recusal there was a we had a

1922
02:48:34,560 --> 02:48:38,320
 piece on that in PNC for that bar G you want to correct you want to correct me

1923
02:48:38,320 --> 02:48:41,520
 on that one is a tie for recusal knowing that it's gonna come back next meeting

1924
02:48:41,520 --> 02:48:45,240
 but Commissioner Cole will have to recuse again here by me what the rules

1925
02:48:45,240 --> 02:48:47,640
 are on that

1926
02:48:47,640 --> 02:48:55,800
 rezoning procedures in the DDC actually specify exactly what Hillary said it

1927
02:48:55,800 --> 02:48:58,640
 has to come back as an individual consideration at our next meeting I

1928
02:48:58,640 --> 02:49:02,920
 made if it ties again at that point it would move forward to City Council as a

1929
02:49:02,920 --> 02:49:06,120
 recommendation of denial but would not trigger the supermajority vote okay I

1930
02:49:06,120 --> 02:49:08,960
 couldn't remember I could remember what our changes the rule but we what we've

1931
02:49:08,960 --> 02:49:11,560
 made on that one when that happened when this happened before when it's been tied

1932
02:49:11,560 --> 02:49:16,720
 due to a recusal so not an absence so thank you then we will see this again at

1933
02:49:16,720 --> 02:49:26,440
 our next meeting okay so we will move on on our agenda and so Commissioner

1934
02:49:26,440 --> 02:49:40,840
 McDade it will not be a public hearing it but people can speak at an individual

1935
02:49:40,840 --> 02:49:49,040
 consideration item yes Tina did you have something to say or no yeah I was just

1936
02:49:49,040 --> 02:49:53,400
 gonna add to that that you're correct it's it's not advertised as a public

1937
02:49:53,400 --> 02:49:56,760
 hearing but since it is individual consideration the Commission is allowed

1938
02:49:56,760 --> 02:50:00,960
 to receive comment the other thing I will note to folks that are in the

1939
02:50:00,960 --> 02:50:05,440
 audience is again you would not receive any notice from the city no mail notices

1940
02:50:05,440 --> 02:50:08,800
 like you did in advance at this meeting so if you're interested in the outcome

1941
02:50:08,800 --> 02:50:12,400
 that occurs at the Planning and Zoning Commission's next meeting then I would

1942
02:50:12,400 --> 02:50:19,720
 encourage you to to come and attend the meeting so the in the next Planning and

1943
02:50:19,720 --> 02:50:23,520
 Zoning Commission meeting is two weeks from tonight and my apologies that let

1944
02:50:23,520 --> 02:50:34,960
 me look at the date thank you May 11th okay that takes us to our Planning and

1945
02:50:34,960 --> 02:50:45,320
 Zoning matrix Tina I will give the floor to you thank you so included within your

1946
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 packet was our matrix and some of these items given the work session discussion

1947
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 that we had earlier this afternoon as Haley pointed out there are several

1948
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 items that we are working through to be able to address since some of these have

1949
02:51:00,040 --> 02:51:03,960
 been riding on the matrix for a while but obviously the the first item on the

1950
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 list was our discussion about the opt-in system for the notification so I believe

1951
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 we've we've checked the box on that one and so that would be coming off in that

1952
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 regard but it's you know can you give it a minute oh yeah absolutely

1953
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 sorry I just couldn't even hear you so that's all right thank you

1954
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 okay I'll let folks get down the stairs also just a little bit since that carries

1955
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 to okay can you all hear me okay great okay so what I was saying is with the

1956
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 matrix that's included in your packet and Haley's presentation that she gave

1957
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 earlier this evening or afternoon in our work session I think we've got a plan

1958
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 in place to address several of the items that are on this matrix and I know some

1959
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 of them been on here for a little bit of time and so hence why we wanted to put a

1960
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 plan in place to knock some of these items off and be responsive to you the

1961
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 very first item on the list though with respect to the opt-in system for

1962
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 notifications on projects I feel like we've accomplished that tonight so if

1963
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 it's with the concurrence of the Commission we'll go ahead and remove that

1964
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 item from the matrix in addition just to give the Commission an update on some

1965
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 items that went to City Council back on April 19th we had three requests that

1966
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 were on the agenda the first one was a request to reason property from rural

1967
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 residential to our excuse me R1 this was roughly two acres of property over off

1968
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 of Mosh Branch Road about 2100 feet south of FM 1173 if you recall the

1969
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 property owner was requesting to rezone that property so that they can meet

1970
02:53:04,960 --> 02:53:08,120
 minimum lot size requirements in order to plot the property to get a building

1971
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 permit for a single-family resident so City Council did approve that unanimously

1972
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 seven with a 7-0 vote we also had another item which was a specific use

1973
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 permit for a townhome development on roughly an eight acre track near May

1974
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 Hill and prominence Parkway that was also approved 7-0 by council and then

1975
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 the third item we had on the agenda that night was the razor ranch landscape

1976
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 plan amendment on the north side of 380 associated with the Home Depot

1977
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 development and there was much discussion on that particular item

1978
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 particularly as it relates to vehicle connectivity and bicycle and pedestrian

1979
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 connectivity and how that can be achieved in the area and what's the

1980
02:53:46,880 --> 02:53:53,840
 safer means of accomplishing that and ultimately with the City Council

1981
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 approved that request 6-1 and so just you know we did work with the applicant

1982
02:53:59,680 --> 02:54:04,400
 on the connectivity issues there is existing north-south connectivity that's

1983
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 a result of some properties that are currently under development more towards

1984
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 the north and east and then also opportunities for better pedestrian and

1985
02:54:14,200 --> 02:54:18,160
 bicycle connectivity from the residential areas to the north back down into that

1986
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 overall development there was discussion about trying to have all that

1987
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 connectivity occur more closer to the Home Depot development there's some great

1988
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 changes there we did not want to introduce pedestrians and bicyclists in

1989
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 an area that's predominantly truck in loading zone areas so in the end the

1990
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 connectivity happened and as a result of also past efforts thanks to those three

1991
02:54:39,080 --> 02:54:43,440
 individuals sitting over there and but nonetheless that project ended up being

1992
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 approved so and that's all we had on the council agenda for that evening

1993
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 Commissioner Anderson thanks here I was just somebody on council was worried

1994
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 about bicycle connectivity to Home Depot I've never seen anybody ride a bicycle

1995
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 to buy something Home Depot well some of us have had similar observations but

1996
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 there was one or two people in the neighborhood to the north that were

1997
02:55:10,120 --> 02:55:15,320
 interested in having that connectivity to be able to really I think more to be

1998
02:55:15,320 --> 02:55:19,720
 able to go south just because of some of the other vehicular child or circulation

1999
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 challenges within that overall area with the the traffic that's along 380 Bonnie

2000
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 Bray and so just wanting that ability to be able to get to the the uses that are

2001
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 further south within that development I think not just the Home Depot but some

2002
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 of the other businesses that are there anything for the matrix any concluding

2003
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 items okay see none I will close our meeting at 819 p.m. thank you everyone

2004
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 congratulations