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 Alright, well it is officially one o'clock. Are we good to call the meeting to order?

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 I want to start off by welcoming everyone and wishing you a happy Earth Day. And just a quick

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 reminder that we just have one Earth, so that's one reason why we are here. I also do want to let

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 everyone know that I have to leave by four. I think we should be fine, but if we can just go

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 through the presentation and then have our questions after to see if that would be okay.

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 And then if I do have to leave, then Matthew, Matt will take over as chair. Is that correct? Okay.

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 Alright, so we do have a quorum. It's Friday, April 22nd, and we are in the City Council Work

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 Session Room, and we do have a quorum. And we will begin with our first item for individual

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 consideration. Consider approval of the March 25th, 2022 minutes. Did everyone have a chance

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 to review those? Do you have a motion for approval? I move. Move and second? Second. Alright,

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 all in favor say aye. Aye. Alright, so we will move right on to item B. Receive a report and hold

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 a discussion regarding gas well inspections, results, and trends. And we have a special guest

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 today doing the presentation for us. Do you want to give him an introduction? Michael Gunn, Director

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 of Environmental Quality Services and Sustainability at the City of Denton. We have Kenneth Tram here

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 with Modern Geosciences. He's going to be going over a presentation that he gave at a conference

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 recently that ties into the work he's been doing not only for the City of Denton, but for other

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 surrounding jurisdictions regarding gas well inspections. So I think seeing that in totality

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 will really help the new perspective of how Denton's doing as well as how we compare to our

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 surrounding cities. So I'll turn it over to Kenneth. How are you doing? Let's see, I think you told me

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 what control B? Shift B. I learned a new trick today. I'm sure I will use that again. It's a pleasure

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 to be here and I appreciate the opportunity. So as Michael said, this has a lot of elements to it so

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 I'm going to touch on some of them that are just kind of a highlight level and given that we want

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 questions kind of at the end of this if we can hold it for that. I can go back to anything you

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 like. There's some added things that weren't in the general presentation that are Denton specific,

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 right? Because I know you have specific questions for Denton too so I'd make sure that some of those

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 slides have those things in here. And it's good to see a few of these spaces again that I've met

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 before. COVID's taking a lot of things away from people and that's part of it so it's good to see

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 you guys. All right, that said, what I was covering in this more general presentation

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 was a little bit of Barnett Shale history. Everyone in here probably has lived it so obviously you

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 don't need me to rehash several of those pieces so those will be the ones we go through a little

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 faster. And then municipal inspection program data, right? So we looked at five different cities,

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 municipalities that were collecting quantifiable data, right? There's a lot of different cities

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 that have different approaches. There's a lot of qualitative information but qualitative is what

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 we're looking so for so we can actually judge performance, things like that. And then from that

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 effort we put together a database with thousands of wells inspected and the end result of those done

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 in a quantifiable way to say what does benchmarking look like, right? If we talk about baseball

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 players we say what's the average at bat etc. So we should have an ability to kind of quantify

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 performance and so it turns out you can. So that said, you know the Barnett Shale area, you're in

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 the middle of it here and you know the background that gets us to unconventional shale gas happening

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 here in our backyard which is different than a lot of places before including in Texas history,

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 right? When you have an urban environment up against this unconventional shale gas activity.

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 This slide here will play the whole thing from you but for you, hopefully you've seen this before

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 because it's been a lot of different presentations before but I'll only go until it turns red, right?

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 So the traditional vertical is what it was in red and this is what it felt like in a very localized

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 area. As soon as it was known that you could go and be successful with you know a non-vertical base

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 you know taking it laterally into the shale then you see the red takeover become the larger portion

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 of this that you've seen the presentation. So you've felt these but this is that upward swing that

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 happens. All right, you've lived it. Population is the next thing that we're all feeling right now,

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 right? So our area, the DFW area, is getting roughly 280 people a day move here on average. So

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 couple that with what we've been feeling for a while and you're going to have people there moving

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 into right where there's actually gas wells today too. So not new information to this crew here.

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 So that said, right? So key points as I look through the history and things we were involved

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 in some of these. Some of these we read about and learned about just like everybody else.

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 Some of the initial concerns voiced in 2008 and they were very local or municipal in nature and

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 the collection of data became a piece of the story. Make sure that data meant what you think it had

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 meant. In 2009 the TCEQ comes in and performs an inspection that verifies yes there are VOCs and

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 not just methane. Now it's not an always thing. It's very well specific but it meant there are

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 possible concerns in the gas and controlling leaks is your best way to minimize impact.

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 In 2011 we have the data itself from the Fort Worth study which is a nice quantifiable element.

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 Now I have more of a compliance purpose to it, right? Are these wells that are in our backyard

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 complying with the applicable rules? But there's other data to glean from that.

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 So in that there's 164 point source canisters meaning there's a leak,

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 collect in a canister, analyze it. They actually identified more leaks than they had anticipated

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 so at 164 they just cut it off. But if we looked into that data set we find something

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 consistent with the TCEQ pound which is there's some elevated benzene and other compounds that

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 are in that. Not a surprise again to this room here but it's localized. It's not all the time

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 and it's not from the pieces of equipment that people probably anticipated most specifically the

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 above-ground storage tanks, right? Is the point at which you actually had more VOCs in the actual

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 mix of the gas coming out. So that makes before everybody was very focused on wells. This means

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 really all these components become of interest to us in our inspection program for that reason.

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 2014, no reminder here, the citizens spoke up so we feel these pressures. We've got some concerns

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 that actually led to a short-term ban that was here and then more learning to live with it,

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 control it, work around it. House Bill 40, probably know plenty about that. Luckily by that time many

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 municipalities had already been doing quantified based approaches. Graham Curry is one of them.

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 They did a review in 2015, an audit, there's a copy that we did here, looking at the different

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 operators. I think that of them it's listed on here. I'm trying not to get into every detail

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 that's in here because I can go down to Rabbit Hall 40, but the specifics of it is two very large

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 operators indicated they actually never had a leak, which of course is impossible.

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 You've probably got into a nuance of definition, but by this point in history we have a true

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 definition for that. So in this case, let's put a leak as right, there's normal emissions that are

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 expected in operating conditions and pneumatic equipment specifically, but the kind of leaks

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 we're talking about are the ones that the operators would want to fix because they're losing gas and

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 equipment's not operating correctly. So the actual definitions and elements that we used

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 for our review is in 2016. We get something called QUAD-O-A, probably several of you are probably

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 familiar with some of the elements of that. This introduces a technology that can be used to quantify

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 and an acceptance by regulatory agencies, which is optical gas imaging, where it allows us to see

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 at least some minimum threshold, so 10,000 part per million on a typical day, sometimes better,

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 as a threshold to look for leaks quickly. And that is what's used in Denton's inspection program today.

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 By 2019, municipalities are starting to feel that pressure of redevelopment and what happens

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 post-production, right? So think of it as there's a drilling phase, short measured in days, a hydraulic

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 fracturing and flow back phase measured in weeks, and a production phase where it will make gas,

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 which if it's a good well, maybe 10, 20 years. A bad well, probably shorter. But after that,

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 there will be redevelopment that shows up. And so there's a disconnect between the rules

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 that govern the let's get energy and do it safely and effectively versus the risk of redevelopment.

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 And it's just, it's not that they're terribly different, it's just that they are different,

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 right? More TCEQ versus railroad commission in that sense. So I'll leave that said here.

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 One of those key redevelopment ones that keeps coming up again and again is NORM, so naturally

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 occurring radioactive material. In this case, it's in the equipment itself. Think of it as

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 arteriosclerosis for gas wells, right? So it's a scale that builds up and it happens when temperature

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 differences, right? So a delta in temperature would be a good place for the scale to build up

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 or pressure changes. Those are going to be your key points. So elbows, those ASTs again. This one

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 happens to be in flower mound. And this is one where we have such elevated NORM in the tanks.

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 Again, the equipment, that equipment is taken away, this problem should be taken away to an address.

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 But sitting there, if we compared it to what we say is the high end of normal background,

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 you can see it has a radius that's going off the pad side. It's short. It's not affected by wind

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 direction. So we looked at this enough for flower mound to get comfortable, like okay, what are the

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 limits of impact so we can communicate it to both the property owner and others? This one was

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 suggested as probably a leak because we see the trees. We have the ones that are healthy and green,

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 the ones next to it and black there. So there's probably another problem on the pad side,

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 has nothing to do with the NORM. But that said, post-production now looked at some of these

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 problems. So what I mean by that is at the end of the production phase, it's good to know what

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 pieces of equipment have issues, where they were. So when they're removed, we can document

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 those issues have been removed. There's now a suggestion of releases or spills or remnant

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 impact for when redevelopment comes next. Does that make sense? That's not required by the

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 Railroad Commission who are operating for operating reasons, but it is important for the next

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 redevelopment folks. So the more municipalities we've worked with, the more they wanted to get

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 this level of information. So right now in your inspection program, you do this, right? So when

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 we go to a pad site, we have the equipment to actually change if the well has been plugged,

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 for example. We know it's about to be plugged. We'll start collecting this data so you'll have

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 that information going forward. If we're there, we can get it. So one interesting take home,

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 and this was at that pivotal point when Denton switched from kind of more qualitative information

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 to quantitative. One of the operators said, "Hey, if we do fine inspection, you're not going to find

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 anything we don't find." And so under like lessons learned, there's a lot of vibrato that happens

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 from operators. And it's not to knock them. Some operators are fantastic, and they care as much

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 about everything we collect, and they get on it quickly. And then some other ones, maybe they

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 don't have the resources. But in this standoff, if you will, we did meet at high noon. Very Texas.

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 We showed up with our crew, and I think they had hired a crew because they probably didn't have one,

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 and they were using optical gas imaging cameras too. And so I think he was unfamiliar with that.

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 And on the first one, we found eight leaks. On the second one, they chose the pad site. They

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 had it all ready. We found 11. So this operator was hearing the same information from his own people,

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 and we didn't hear from them again about inspecting pad sites. So one was an above-ground

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 storage tank that actually had a failure in the well that was pushing the gas out. So it made like

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 a 20-foot area that was above the low explosive limit. So if you're going to pick one to have

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 us visit, this would have been the last one. So that at least tells you, if you don't inspect with

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 the right equipment, the operators, not because they're bad people, but if you don't have the

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 right equipment, how are you going to find the right answers? All right. Subgrade leaks is another

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 problem we've seen. So this is away from equipment, not the well, not the separator,

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 not the above-ground storage tank. The more pad sites you have that are separated,

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 you'll have connecting equipment with them. So some of them in Flower Mound have been found by

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 joggers. Hey, there's a whistling in that field. So this is one that was on a pad site. So you can

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 see with optical gas imaging cameras what we would say, "Hey, don't park there. You'll have

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 a problem." So it can have unsafe conditions on a pad site. So again, the benefit, using old

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 direct reading equipment, just think of how much you would have to walk around to find these things.

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 So again, a benefit. What's that in DIN? That one is in Flower Mound. Okay. The top one was in DIN?

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 Top one was in DIN. Okay. All right. So I've kind of run through a lot of what is now US history.

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 But from that and looking at the data sets we have and the things we have learned,

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 and I'll mention a little bit more about what we call a leak rate. So in the most simplistic form

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 there is, the number of leaks you have found, meeting the definitions that were set forth here

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 in and on your inspection reports, divided by the number of wells. So the Fort Worth one, which just

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 had 164, or they recorded more, 164 is what they took samples of. So the number of leaks by the

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 number of wells, there were 1.17 at the time that work was done. So keep that in mind. So 1.17. So

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 that means for every one well there's a little more than one leak on the pad side. That's all that

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 means. The bottom part of this is I think operators and the community started to learn more about what

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 this was and there are actually ways to be doing this more correctly. From the citizen point of

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 view and the stakeholders, hey, less leaks means there's less things in the air. I didn't want to

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 even know what was in your stuff. That'd be great if it stayed in and that you sold it and I cooked

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 a hamburger on it. That's great. On the operator side it meant high enough up when they learned of

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 the leaks that means their crews were probably not doing everything they were supposed to be doing

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 and so that created an incentive at the lower levels of the operators themselves to perform

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 better. So don't take my word for it. I'll show you data of how that worked. Or as Yogi Bear said,

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 you can observe a lot just by watching. It's probably sad that my three children can quote

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 like probably 15 or 20 Yogi Bear quotes. It's funny to me, but you know, I think only me.

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 All right, so the program data. I know I haven't gotten to Denton specific. Am I still okay?

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 Context is helpful and some of this work you guys did. This is the data from doing it in a

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 quantifiable way that we have together now. So we looked at if it was above 50 micro Rankins per hour.

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 That's the point at which you need to label equipment and then manage it appropriately. So

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 it's norm containing past that. So that's a threshold. That is not really based on a health

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 and safety number. It's really almost like a mythical number here in Texas and other people

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 sighted in other states. It's said that number comes from the gamma concentration if you're

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 walking around the state house. I don't know if it's true. I've never gotten in there with my gamma

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 scintillometer, but someday. If somebody knows somebody, let me know. We'll verify that. The second part is near equipment inspection,

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 which means when we're looking at individual pieces of equipment with optical gas imaging cameras to

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 actually identify leaks like I just showed you. So we were able to get multiple cities. You see them

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 listed here, including Denton. Number of wells inspected over that time period. So each time

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 it's inspected, it's a singular. I may go to that well each year, but each one is just one event.

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 That's 2,659 individual wells. On those pad sites that would include 8,063 pieces of equipment,

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 such as separators above ground storage tanks, compressors. And then we have a group of other,

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 because there's ancillary equipment that supports this and comes and goes. But that just gives us a

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 category we needed to compartmentalize these. And then five cities, as I mentioned, and there were 20

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 unique operators, right? Some would change over time, sell equipment, but they would operate

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 differently. So we felt this is a good grouping to look, because we have small cities and we have

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 large cities. The criteria, this gives you the formal definition of a leak. I won't read it to

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 you because we'd all be asleep, but this way you have it. But by numbers, using an optical gas imaging

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 camera, even on a bad day, we have limits to what a good and bad day is. We can see a 10,000 ppm

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 leak of methane by the methods that we use. That's very much specific to QUAD OA, which is an EPA

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 process. And then on NORM, we're using equipment, the same equipment, same tools the Railroad

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 Commission would use to evaluate NORM. And we're able to see down and we use 50 again as our threshold.

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 All right. That said, this is the Denton program. You have a high, moderate, and a low

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 priority in your pad sites based on its proximity to a sensitive receptor. And at the end of all of

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 our inspections, the ones that have changed, some have gone back out because buildings have been

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 removed, some have come closer. So we put those together and then we communicate with staff on,

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 here's what we're seeing, and then make some decisions on how to move them up and down so

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 now they have a frequency that's consistent with your program. Beyond that, there's different things

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 we do based on the sensitivity. The further away ones, we're very interested in the function of

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 the equipment. It always includes the well, the separator, the AST, any other equipment on the site.

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 That's what we refer to as near equipment, right? So we're answering the question of how are these

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 performing? As we get closer to sensitive receptors, we also collect data on the fence line because if

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 we found a leak, we know the next question that Michael's going to have for me is, okay, well,

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 what does it look like over here, right? So we get that kind of data as we get closer to receptors,

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 but that's what this says here. So this is what your most basic near equipment, right? So everybody

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 has this, right? So I won't wait for all these to play, but we can see leaks readily with the

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 equipment. And quickly, another thing that Dent has done is you've actually taken all the infrastructure

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 and it's all been put together in a GIS database. So it's all tracked and understood. So if there's a

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 particularly problematic piece of equipment, right, we know exactly where it is within a sub-meter

00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:44.000
 accuracy. And so that's just the way we collect the data. In addition to the near equipment,

00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:49.760
 right, the fence line may have any number of things, again, based on that program that we put

00:19:49.760 --> 00:19:56.000
 forward. So everything from noise, total VOCs, and all of the decisions on what to include

00:19:56.000 --> 00:20:02.240
 is based on, you know, ever-changing research at the time and information from multiple states. So

00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:06.400
 you have probably the most comprehensive set now. So if there is something really interesting

00:20:06.400 --> 00:20:12.880
 happening, this would be the way to understand it early. And then if needed, and we've only done

00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:18.320
 this I think once or twice, I think when Dr. Banks was here, if they have fence line exceedances,

00:20:18.320 --> 00:20:22.800
 so we have contingencies for what happens next. If there's a VOC, we'll actually take an air sample.

00:20:22.800 --> 00:20:27.040
 We have a GCMS back at the office and we can actually look at the chromatogram and tell you

00:20:27.040 --> 00:20:33.200
 exactly what's in there and give you estimates of concentrations. If it's H2S, we'll take a sample

00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:39.600
 and get lab analysis. If it's even more significant than that, we can deploy real-time monitors that

00:20:39.600 --> 00:20:44.320
 are connected to a cellular link and then we can know real-time. Right, so these are things that

00:20:44.320 --> 00:20:52.960
 are just, if needed, you can use them. So let's talk Denton for a moment. These are the pad sites

00:20:52.960 --> 00:21:01.440
 that are within the city of Denton, right, so inside, not the ETJ. And then from '21, right,

00:21:01.440 --> 00:21:11.280
 so since we've wrapped up '21, we have all those data sets here. We have 80 leaks. These are action

00:21:11.280 --> 00:21:17.840
 items from the first part of the year, 11 norm exceedances, 54 of the action items were corrosion

00:21:17.840 --> 00:21:22.800
 on equipment, and then one had a produced water leak, right. So all these things are identified,

00:21:22.800 --> 00:21:28.080
 communicated to the operators, and in this case, followed up by city staff, right, for the

00:21:28.080 --> 00:21:32.880
 verification that these things have been addressed. And in this case, all the action items identified

00:21:32.880 --> 00:21:38.560
 in 2021 have been addressed and right now the ones for 2022 are on their way to being addressed.

00:21:40.880 --> 00:21:47.040
 So let me get back to the data sets, the thing quantifiable, right, so the leak number versus

00:21:47.040 --> 00:21:52.480
 the number of wells, the number of norm exceedances of 50 divided by the number of wells just gives us

00:21:52.480 --> 00:22:00.000
 a tool, probably more cartoony than you need for this crowd. My purpose here is to say a leak could

00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:06.240
 come from more than just the well, right, so we're going to itemize it by the number of wells, but

00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:10.480
 wherever it is on the pad site, because they're actually supporting equipment. Those pieces of

00:22:10.480 --> 00:22:14.800
 equipment would not be there if there was no well, right, so it made it easy way to look through the

00:22:14.800 --> 00:22:21.440
 data set. So for example, if I have five leaks, as I do here, and three wells, we would have 1.6,

00:22:21.440 --> 00:22:27.520
 right, so if you remember we were a little over one for Fort Worth, we're carrying that data forward

00:22:27.520 --> 00:22:34.720
 with me. So here's what Denton looks like when we switch to a quantified approach. So we were at 0.8

00:22:35.520 --> 00:22:41.120
 at the start. It's the red line that you see there. We saw it come down in 2019, we saw it come down

00:22:41.120 --> 00:22:47.120
 in 2020, and even in 2021 the data's not on your chart just because our nine-year data set didn't

00:22:47.120 --> 00:22:54.880
 include it at the time. You're at 0.406. So that's pretty good. I'd say that's probably the best

00:22:54.880 --> 00:23:00.240
 across the city's inspection wise that are happening now. So you have operators that have

00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:04.640
 learned to work with the program. They actually follow us out now and bring equipment and start

00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:10.160
 fixing things as we go. So there's a plus to this when they kind of learn the program. Operators like

00:23:10.160 --> 00:23:16.080
 XTO actually use the reports we generate for the city internally as their quality control requirements,

00:23:16.080 --> 00:23:20.000
 right, because I think their parent company, I'm not sure if they're still part of ExxonMove or not,

00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:27.440
 I don't know where to follow that, but required it of them to be quad away consistent. Now your norm,

00:23:27.440 --> 00:23:34.080
 in this case, you had 113 exceedances of that 50, 286 individual wells were inspected over 2021.

00:23:34.080 --> 00:23:39.200
 So that gives you a 0.395. And I'll show you that's still in the good category when I look at all the

00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:43.360
 data sets, but you'll see an increase with time. That makes sense, right? We're going to collect

00:23:43.360 --> 00:23:48.560
 scale over time. Now some operators get in early and start to remove scale and they drop their

00:23:48.560 --> 00:23:55.840
 norm back down, but some wait for the end of the life of the equipment to do it then. So it's just

00:23:55.840 --> 00:24:02.160
 knowledge of where are those issues so you know when that life of the pad side is over and the

00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:09.680
 next one begins. Flower mounds trends, so they started closer to two, right, when they, so that

00:24:09.680 --> 00:24:17.920
 means for every well there was two leaks on those pad sites. And they're now down closer to I think

00:24:17.920 --> 00:24:24.800
 just under 0.5. And that's held true for their 2021 data set as well. And they saw their norm rate

00:24:24.800 --> 00:24:30.960
 kind of move up a little bit again. They actually have some of the highest norm probably in the

00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:38.800
 Metroplex. Something really good about that water there, I don't know. Grand Prairie. So in 2015,

00:24:38.800 --> 00:24:44.800
 if you remember, when we did that audit, one of the operators that had no leaks, the city said we'd

00:24:44.800 --> 00:24:49.680
 like you to go out and just inspect. We're going to give them notice similar to what happened in Dent.

00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:52.800
 They're like, oh come on, we've already looked at everything. We know we're great. And we found

00:24:52.800 --> 00:24:59.360
 multiple leaks obviously on that pad side. And then the operator, in almost every case, right,

00:24:59.360 --> 00:25:03.920
 the rare case is that one of a standoff, right. In almost every other case, I think they're a little

00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:07.600
 bit, I'm, this is me speaking out of turn, but maybe a little embarrassed, right, that these leaks

00:25:07.600 --> 00:25:14.240
 are so easy to find. And they start to repair things and behave differently. Maybe it should be

00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:18.160
 no surprise if there were police cars on the side of the road, people drive different. It just kind

00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:24.960
 of happens. I'm not saying I'm like a police officer. All right, so Grand Prairie's trends,

00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:31.120
 Cop Pal's all the same. Haslett's an interesting one because I think they have a lot of shut-in

00:25:31.120 --> 00:25:36.720
 wells. So in their most recent trend, even they've come back down closer to 0.5 and realize the scale,

00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:42.320
 right, on the y-axis is updated to, so they're not all the same. Doesn't mean this one's much higher.

00:25:42.320 --> 00:25:47.840
 It's just, I've got, this one goes to 0.7, the other ones went higher. So let's take that data

00:25:47.840 --> 00:25:53.440
 together from all those, that time period of looking at it. Look at where they started each

00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:58.960
 city the first year that they did inspection versus where they ended. And so you have that there in

00:25:58.960 --> 00:26:05.840
 the second box and you can see roughly because of inspection programs, there are more than 50% less

00:26:05.840 --> 00:26:13.280
 leaks today in those cities. So that's a huge improvement. My, some of the engineer modelers

00:26:13.280 --> 00:26:17.440
 down the hall have threatened to take all our data and say how much gas is that and you know some

00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:22.880
 average emission factors related to that. So if you want to know your greenhouse gas improvements,

00:26:22.880 --> 00:26:30.080
 right, it's quantifiable as well. So that said, the norm rate of course went up about 50%. Again,

00:26:30.080 --> 00:26:34.880
 that makes sense operationally. It doesn't mean there's elevated risk, but it means it's data you

00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:41.040
 want to be knowledgeable of when that transition period comes. So put that together and say, okay,

00:26:41.040 --> 00:26:46.240
 what does it look like when we have an operational program and we're seeing the kind of in decreases

00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:51.520
 in the leak rates. We can come up with, you know, if I'm less than 0.5, every one well I find takes

00:26:51.520 --> 00:26:57.040
 two wells to have one leak, right? That ratio is pretty good operationally. So obviously the no

00:26:57.040 --> 00:27:04.640
 leaks ever over five years is unbelievable. But something closer to one leak for every two wells

00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:08.960
 is when there's an inspection program, people are watching and people are trying to fix things.

00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:13.840
 So that 0.5. So we had a little over one, if you remember the Fort Worth one, right? So we're double

00:27:13.840 --> 00:27:19.600
 that, but it's the probably first time a municipality showed up as a third party to the operations and

00:27:19.600 --> 00:27:26.000
 said we want to have a look, right? So we always see improvement when people start looking. Moderate,

00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:34.720
 probably up to 1.5. When we found pad sites that were decently run, but having leaks, probably

00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:38.800
 closer to that. More than that, there's probably operational issues and so we would say that's

00:27:38.800 --> 00:27:44.640
 performing poorly. And then on the flip side of that, the norm rate, I've given you some thresholds

00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:53.040
 based on that data as well. So if you remember for Denton, right? We are currently 0.4 and 0.3

00:27:53.040 --> 00:27:57.840
 something. So you're in the green of this right now as I compared you to your peers.

00:27:57.840 --> 00:28:06.320
 Sometimes we get asked where are the leaks? And again, temperature deltas, pressure deltas, right?

00:28:06.320 --> 00:28:11.040
 Those are your key points where you'll find the collection of norm and you'll find more emissions

00:28:11.040 --> 00:28:17.120
 that are happening. So obviously the separator itself is the most common point. It's the dump

00:28:17.120 --> 00:28:21.200
 valve. It's just the way it's designed. Functionally, there's probably room for improvement on it.

00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:27.120
 And then norm, obviously the above ground storage tanks, right? So from what I've just presented,

00:28:27.120 --> 00:28:33.840
 it's probably not a surprise, but it's good to know. So if we went to benchmark wise, right? So

00:28:33.840 --> 00:28:40.000
 I've got that 1.6, that example I gave you of a fictitious site, right? So that would score as it

00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:48.160
 being poor performance if I went out to a pad site with three wells and I found five leaks. So city

00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:54.400
 wise, right? This is what we have. If I just look at Flower Mound data, when they began their program

00:28:54.400 --> 00:29:01.920
 in 2014 versus what Flower Mound looks like today, right? So 0.47 today meaning 2020 data, the last

00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:06.080
 it was in this data set. They're about the same or a little bit better right now. So I mean that

00:29:06.080 --> 00:29:12.960
 improvement was very significant and their norm rate went from being kind of in that moderate level

00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:18.560
 to now they're pushing the limit and getting a little bit over into that high level of norm.

00:29:18.560 --> 00:29:23.280
 And that's consistent with anecdotally what we see in that data. They just have more equipment

00:29:23.280 --> 00:29:27.840
 with norm. Now is that operator specific? We'd have to tear it into the data a little more

00:29:27.840 --> 00:29:33.200
 to answer that. I have thoughts, but I'll hold those. That 2015 audit done for Grand Prairie,

00:29:34.320 --> 00:29:40.960
 right? So that was the pad site. It was a 1.45. Remember my 0.5 is that threshold for where we go

00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:47.440
 from good to poor or good to moderate. So today that very same pad site. So this is not data wise

00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:52.160
 for the city. This is looking at a pad site saying how is that pad site doing, right? So that one's

00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:57.520
 come down to 0.5 today. That one happens to be surrounded across the street in all four directions

00:29:57.520 --> 00:30:01.600
 with houses, right? So that one is a high priority for the city and it's important that they keep

00:30:01.600 --> 00:30:06.400
 an eye on it there in Grand Prairie. So they like seeing these numbers and being quantifiable

00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:11.840
 on performance. Now the norm rate on that one, so now we're down in Grand Prairie,

00:30:11.840 --> 00:30:18.240
 but they had none above 50 has remained that way, right? So that's probably formation specific or

00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:22.880
 this operator runs a program of de-scaling their equipment. I don't know the answer to that question.

00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:30.560
 All right, so I've given you your rates and you kind of have them on the bottom here. These are

00:30:30.560 --> 00:30:36.400
 the individual operators and so every year we do a summary report and I know I'm a little bit wonky

00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:43.520
 and into the data, but data helps you make good decisions. So this gives you your individual

00:30:43.520 --> 00:30:48.640
 operators. I did put a pie chart off to the right. That's important because what if the operator has

00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:54.160
 one pad site, right? Versus who are most of these pad sites? So performance should be judged in that

00:30:54.160 --> 00:31:03.600
 context. So it's just helpful, but if I looked at that point five as my guide of good performance,

00:31:03.600 --> 00:31:09.680
 I mean most of these are falling right there and XTO, which had just a one because if it has one

00:31:09.680 --> 00:31:16.320
 on this one pad site, well that's where they're at and that's the case. They don't have a lot of

00:31:16.320 --> 00:31:21.120
 sites for you over here. I think you only have two pad sites. As far as norm,

00:31:23.120 --> 00:31:26.160
 your largest operator actually doesn't have most of the norm.

00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:32.080
 One of your smaller ones has more norm in their equipment and again maybe that means that their

00:31:32.080 --> 00:31:36.480
 operational process is to address at the end of the life of the piece of equipment,

00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:41.120
 but now their equipment is properly labeled. Many of these things were not labeled, not evaluated.

00:31:41.120 --> 00:31:46.400
 There's not a requirement for them to go out and look at norm, right? So it doesn't happen unless

00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:53.840
 someone goes up and has a look. So that said, in my presentation it was more general. I was asked to

00:31:53.840 --> 00:31:59.360
 put together what do you think the future holds in this area now that we know okay we can quantify it,

00:31:59.360 --> 00:32:05.200
 the tools are out there, the process to collect the data and to present it so it's helpful to

00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:11.120
 the operator, helpful to the stakeholders. I think there's going to be more scrutiny on the pad site

00:32:11.120 --> 00:32:17.120
 redevelopment end such as you know building over wells or not. Rail commission has no rules on

00:32:17.120 --> 00:32:22.080
 building over wells. In fact, there's several things that have already been built over wells.

00:32:22.080 --> 00:32:27.120
 Municipalities have started to look at maybe we need some limitations. Fort Worth has the requirement

00:32:27.120 --> 00:32:32.400
 of a monument, so there's Flower Mound, so there's Grand Prairie, and a five-foot setback on those

00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:37.920
 form of wells. That's a hard conversation to have because there's a limiting of what can be reused

00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:43.520
 there. That wasn't when the operation began, right? But nonetheless, any of those redevelopment

00:32:43.520 --> 00:32:49.280
 options, cities are looking at what's important to us. And then surface inspections, when the

00:32:49.280 --> 00:32:53.760
 equipment's gone and transitions to its next use, that's part of that post-production inspection.

00:32:53.760 --> 00:32:59.680
 And so if it happens to be at the interim or at the final, so interim is we're ready to remove

00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:04.160
 everything but pieces are still here. Final, everything's gone so we can actually have access

00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:09.840
 to the surface. That post-production inspection is part of your program because if you're paying

00:33:09.840 --> 00:33:14.720
 us to show up and that well happens to be gone for this last year that they've paid into it for the

00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:20.240
 inspection, we're going to get you that kind of data so it's helpful to you guys. And I think

00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:26.320
 pad site inspections, I think more municipalities will probably, and even operators will go to,

00:33:26.320 --> 00:33:31.440
 okay now we can know what a benchmark is, we know what the tools are to inspect properly. I think

00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:37.360
 you'll see them start to be better at, at least I'm the last half full, but that's my hope. I think

00:33:37.360 --> 00:33:44.880
 that's it, you have survived it. Any health questions? Awesome, thank you very much. Yes.

00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:49.760
 That went rather smooth and quickly. You want to start down here and just work our way around?

00:33:49.760 --> 00:33:54.880
 I don't have any specific questions, that was great. Thank you, sir. Adam, do you have anything?

00:33:56.160 --> 00:34:05.440
 Um, thank you. This is really educational. This may not be for you, but maybe then. How is, yeah,

00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:12.720
 how is this being funded? I'm interested in who's paying to have the inspections done and going

00:34:12.720 --> 00:34:17.600
 forward, redevelopment, I think that's what our city council would be most interested in.

00:34:17.600 --> 00:34:25.760
 Who's on the hook for what costs to make sure that it's safe to redevelop? Sure, well since you have

00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:31.600
 your director here, you want to say? I believe it's all paid for by the operator and it's built into

00:34:31.600 --> 00:34:36.400
 the program. There's a cost for any operator to come into the city and do things, but I'm on the

00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:41.280
 outside of that, so. Right, so to directly answer your question again, Michael got into environmental.

00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:46.400
 We have a fee structure that operators pay to operate within the city of Denton, so there's a

00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:52.240
 certain fee structure that's charged for that. So those fees offset a lot of this. Now we go above

00:34:52.240 --> 00:34:57.440
 and beyond, so a portion of that inspection is offset through Denton dollars as well. It's not

00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:01.840
 100% necessarily captured by the fee charged to the operator, because we're wanting to make sure

00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:08.000
 we're being a good steward for the residents of Denton to get that data. So we're looking at that.

00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:12.560
 The fee structure will be revised or re-looked at in the coming year, and that may actually come back

00:35:12.560 --> 00:35:18.560
 to 100% cost recovery, depending on how that comes out. Currently it's not quite there. Okay, and to

00:35:18.560 --> 00:35:23.200
 the secondary part of the cleanup or the aspect, there's actually funds at the state level to do

00:35:23.200 --> 00:35:28.080
 that if we need to fall back on that. There's bonds in place to operate within Denton that can

00:35:28.080 --> 00:35:32.800
 go back against on if we need to do some extras there with those operators. So there's various

00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:40.000
 mechanisms in place to protect our interests as far as how that pad site operates. Does that answer

00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:43.840
 the question? Yeah, thank you. I did have one, I know I was thinking more specifically for you.

00:35:46.640 --> 00:35:55.840
 In your expert opinion, what needs to be done at a site for it to then, for you to say this is a safe

00:35:55.840 --> 00:36:01.840
 place for people to reside, say, you know, once it's... So like when we transition, so post-production,

00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:07.280
 I'll use that, PPIs, we've called it, we were answering those questions more and more now.

00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:13.120
 You know, I was asked that exact question by the City of Arlington, right? They had come to Council,

00:36:13.120 --> 00:36:19.920
 we want to rezone and have the pad sites now turn into neighborhoods, homes on things.

00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:24.880
 And I think the Council kicked it back, again I wasn't part of that discussion, and they said we

00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:30.720
 need somebody that can speak to what comes next. I happen to be active in not just the air quality

00:36:30.720 --> 00:36:34.560
 and inspection portion of this, but in the due diligence world. If you get really bored,

00:36:34.560 --> 00:36:38.640
 I wrote a textbook on environmental due diligence. It's like, how do we answer those questions both,

00:36:38.640 --> 00:36:44.720
 you know, legally, liability-wise, all those other elements. And so we actually came up with a program

00:36:44.720 --> 00:36:51.600
 called post-production inspection. So now Graham Ferry and Arlington have actual guidance of what

00:36:51.600 --> 00:36:57.600
 does that look like? What should I look for now that you're gone? So a 10 by 10 grid has a certain

00:36:57.600 --> 00:37:03.360
 amount of information collected, right? So a high resolution understanding of an iterative set of

00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:07.680
 data, right? So if I don't find this, this, this, or this, then I know these other things can't be

00:37:07.680 --> 00:37:12.400
 there. But if I do find one of these, then I do all the things that follows afterwards, whether it was

00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:19.040
 my gamma centillometer said there's a high point twice background. Now I'm interested in any number

00:37:19.040 --> 00:37:23.360
 of radionuclides that are related to the norm weights if that happened. And so that's all knowable

00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:29.600
 real time. We certainly speak towards methane and any other possible leaks because there have been

00:37:29.600 --> 00:37:33.440
 ancillary lines that have been left behind, and so you want to make sure those are not problematic,

00:37:33.440 --> 00:37:39.520
 but there is a specific list of things to do that we've put together. And so that's now been used

00:37:39.520 --> 00:37:42.880
 because on the due diligence side, many people in my office are very busy with all that.

00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:47.920
 We have residential developers that are calling and saying, can you tell us how to do this or

00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:52.960
 can you go do this? So that, that set of what to do has started to show up in due diligence world,

00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:58.240
 right? The people that are coming on want to know before I build, what can I know? So it exists,

00:37:58.240 --> 00:38:02.240
 it's happening, that conversation is ongoing. So I'm going to just jump in because I have a question.

00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:11.680
 So does that mean, so then the developer would hire you and pay for you to come in and then get

00:38:11.680 --> 00:38:16.080
 that report ready. So like if you were doing a presentation of development, then that would...

00:38:16.080 --> 00:38:21.120
 I may have swerved off the road in my scope here. I'm just going to say we're not posting

00:38:21.120 --> 00:38:26.160
 issue because we're posting disgusting inspections, not the post closure care of the sites. So it's

00:38:26.160 --> 00:38:29.920
 not going to be careful where we go too far on that. I'll speak to the post production inspection,

00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:34.560
 which we do as part of inspections. Right. So that's what I'm questioning. I'm trying to be

00:38:34.560 --> 00:38:43.840
 mindful of all, but to that point, a set of what to look at exists and somebody coming to the site

00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:50.080
 could be educated enough to look. What happens in Denton is we are actually collecting some of that

00:38:50.080 --> 00:38:54.880
 because if we step foot on the site, we have the equipment, the well's gone. I can't inspect the

00:38:54.880 --> 00:38:59.680
 well, but what I can do is immediately turn it into a post production. So the inspection report

00:38:59.680 --> 00:39:04.960
 that you get during the process of inspection, provided everything happened where we show up

00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:10.640
 and it's there and we can get access to everything, that kind of data would then reside at the city.

00:39:10.640 --> 00:39:15.520
 And then normal due diligence process would be, I'm doing a phase one. Phase one, I need to ask for

00:39:15.520 --> 00:39:20.480
 records and the city can respond with, well, here's our inspection report. And so that type

00:39:20.480 --> 00:39:25.520
 of data could exist in that scenario. Okay. Did I stay close enough? All right, good deal.

00:39:26.560 --> 00:39:32.240
 Pad side inspection. Well, I mean pad side inspection. Correct. As well as that are plugged.

00:39:32.240 --> 00:39:36.640
 I mean, correct. There are some we are not expecting because they are plugged,

00:39:36.640 --> 00:39:40.880
 right? We would not go to them because they're not active or in the inspection programs.

00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:41.680
 To that point, yes.

00:39:41.680 --> 00:39:49.920
 Go ahead, Brian. Kind of got to where I was coming. But back to your comparative tables

00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:55.360
 where you showed Denton related to other municipalities on the Barnett region. Could

00:39:55.360 --> 00:40:00.880
 you point to specific programs to why you would be performing better relative to our neighbors?

00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:06.000
 Or is it just simply chalked up to our inspection program? What would you have to say?

00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:11.600
 Well, I'll say, right. So I mean, all I can look is at the data, kind of a 10,000 foot level.

00:40:11.600 --> 00:40:18.720
 I would say, yes, you're performing better in general because your program is comprehensive

00:40:18.720 --> 00:40:24.880
 and your staff follows up on stuff. Right. So I'll say, yes, it's good for us to find,

00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:28.640
 communicate. We obviously communicate with the city whenever we're communicating with

00:40:28.640 --> 00:40:34.480
 an operator on our pad side inspection findings. But it takes the voice of the city to still be

00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:39.120
 there. I'm like, hey, how are we coming on repairing those items? Right. So I don't know.

00:40:39.120 --> 00:40:44.000
 There's probably one or two cities that are still about that active, but many of them don't have

00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:48.720
 that level of voice. Take Haslett. They're probably a smaller city. They have less staff to do the

00:40:48.720 --> 00:40:55.040
 follow up. So their numbers, when you come back out again, it's not everything that's been fixed.

00:40:55.040 --> 00:41:00.560
 Even if they say to us over the phone, it's fixed. There's not a person who's back there to verify.

00:41:00.560 --> 00:41:06.160
 So maybe I circle back with a trust but verify approach that Denton uses is effective.

00:41:06.160 --> 00:41:16.000
 Is that your question? Okay. Ed, I see you have a list over there.

00:41:17.120 --> 00:41:21.440
 You want to go ahead and get started on that? Okay. Thanks. How are you Ed? It's good to see you,

00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:25.120
 sir. Good to see you. Thanks for the presentation very much. Yes, sir.

00:41:25.120 --> 00:41:34.480
 Did you see any increase in leakage after the winter storm?

00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:41.600
 You know, I have to look at that. So our inspections in Denton are kind of two waves,

00:41:41.600 --> 00:41:46.800
 right? So there's a low priority pad site listing and we hit those every other year.

00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:51.040
 So there's some that we may not have seen, right? So I'll take those off the table data wise because

00:41:51.040 --> 00:41:56.400
 I wouldn't have data. But the low ones that are on the year that we would, we would have seen those,

00:41:56.400 --> 00:42:04.320
 the moderates and the highs. I don't, I'm going to say I don't think so. If you want me to look at

00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:08.800
 some data related to the pad site inspections specifically, but I'd say the 10,000 foot level,

00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:16.880
 no, because we, I mean, I have the, the current data and the data for 2021 and they appear consistent.

00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:22.800
 They appear to be things are being addressed. And so I'll say no based on a 10,000 foot level,

00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:27.440
 but not having gone through the data to answer that question and also knowing our inspections

00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:31.600
 are limited, right? Some of them I'll touch that one time and only the highs will we come back

00:42:31.600 --> 00:42:35.600
 another time, but those are going to be in the summertime. So it's only that first time that

00:42:35.600 --> 00:42:41.360
 would have probably been near the winter storm. Okay. I'm just curious, in terms of weatherization

00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:50.320
 and that sort of thing is obviously out of your hands. Is there a differentiation made between

00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:56.080
 low production and high production wells? I would believe so, right? Pressure is volume moving

00:42:56.080 --> 00:43:01.600
 through. In our data set, I don't have the operational information of individual wells,

00:43:02.240 --> 00:43:07.200
 right? I even don't know. Is this one shut in? Not shut in. Was it shut in for a long period of time

00:43:07.200 --> 00:43:12.880
 before? We visited with operators and trying to get some of that information. Some of them are

00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:17.360
 very protective, you know, Homeland security element. There's, there's a lot of question about

00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:22.480
 how much data people want to share. And I understand that. And so what we can do is we can show up and

00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:28.800
 inspect. And so we've, you know, we've gotten that data, but I do not have enough to say,

00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:33.520
 I do think you would find a correlation if you had enough information about how many metric cubic

00:43:33.520 --> 00:43:38.320
 feet of this was right over this period of time, only because operationally that makes sense to me.

00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:45.360
 Yeah. And there's a paper that was recently released that they discovered that low production

00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:51.840
 wells are frequently the greatest leakers. And I would say they get visited the least. Yeah. That's

00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:58.880
 probably why. And I thought maybe in the future, if there's a way that. So that speaks to maintenance

00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:05.360
 rather than volume. Yeah. That there could be a designation as to whether a well was low producing

00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:22.160
 or high producing. Now this is, this is wish me luck on this. The 2021 leak rate for Denton was 0.406.

00:44:22.160 --> 00:44:30.400
 That's right. How does this translate into actual estimates of the amount of methane release?

00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:36.400
 So these are the engineers that are down the hall for me, right? So, you know, they do things like

00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:43.280
 greenhouse gas inventories and such. And we, she's not had the spare time because, you know, we,

00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:49.200
 we get asked to do a lot of things. And so mainly we're responding to the contracts and things that

00:44:49.200 --> 00:44:56.240
 we have to get out the door, but you could look at expected emission rates related to specific pieces

00:44:56.240 --> 00:45:00.320
 of equipment. Some of those are known, right? So you could take the data we have, you could break

00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:05.680
 it apart by is that an above ground storage tank? And then we have some average as expected fugitive

00:45:05.680 --> 00:45:09.440
 emissions, for example, and you can do it by separator and then you can do it by well. And

00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:14.080
 you can have this number and then you can make an estimated period of time in which that leak occurred.

00:45:14.080 --> 00:45:21.200
 Right. So obviously we, we moved slightly away from totally quantifiable to at least semi meets

00:45:21.200 --> 00:45:27.600
 qualitatively. But some of that is, you could calculate away. I let my engineers get into the

00:45:27.600 --> 00:45:32.960
 specifics on the rates and the elements and the assumptions that, you know, match both the API side

00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:39.600
 and the EPA reference side. So, you know, it's a good question. And, but it's not at least in the

00:45:39.600 --> 00:45:46.240
 past that inspection component. Well, I'd like to, to just put up and further that any, anything that

00:45:46.240 --> 00:45:53.360
 can be done in your relationship with the city and with the gas well people here, anything that can

00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:59.360
 be done to actually quantify the amount of leakage would, would I think be something very valuable to

00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:06.720
 have seeing as how we are going to be working on greenhouse gas inventory and what we can do to

00:46:06.720 --> 00:46:14.560
 reduce it. So I would like to make that as a point to see if at some point we can actually get that.

00:46:14.560 --> 00:46:19.520
 Before you move off that, Mr. Schultz, I'll ask that one thing. Oh, sure. Just to make sure what he's

00:46:19.520 --> 00:46:24.640
 capturing again is the leaks. So if there's permitted emissions, we're not actually gathering

00:46:24.640 --> 00:46:29.200
 the data on that either. So if we did this, we would be able to possibly quantify the methane

00:46:29.200 --> 00:46:34.320
 coming out of the leaks, not necessarily the pad size at all. Okay, well that's a start. Does that make sense?

00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:39.040
 Yeah, that's a start. Okay, just want to make sure it's clear. Yeah, thank you. Just to, I think,

00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:50.640
 yeah. So there's 293 wells within the city limits and 203 wells in the ETJ.

00:46:50.640 --> 00:46:57.200
 My question is simply, and this might be for Michael, is how many of those wells

00:46:57.200 --> 00:47:06.080
 are inactive, plugged, or orphaned, or whatever? I'll say it's always going to be a changing number.

00:47:06.080 --> 00:47:11.040
 The number of plugged is at least as of when we finish our next summary report,

00:47:11.040 --> 00:47:14.560
 you'll have that number because it's on our figures. Okay. Right, so you have that number.

00:47:14.560 --> 00:47:20.000
 The ETJ will not have data in that one. Okay. Michael. No, we're working on a memo to come out

00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:23.440
 in the packet for your next month meeting on that. We didn't have all the final data just to make

00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:28.480
 sure it was accurate. We were checking all the sources because we do get notified and there may

00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:33.280
 be times we're not notified. So we want to make sure we were all inclusive in our spot. All right.

00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:42.240
 And may I ask one more? Just, I've not been able to find a really precise definition of rework

00:47:42.240 --> 00:47:50.800
 activities. Can you tell me what's involved and if any, if rework activities in any way

00:47:50.800 --> 00:48:00.080
 exacerbate leakage rates? I think that term is a kind of a general colloquialism for operators,

00:48:00.080 --> 00:48:05.760
 right? So it's a, we need to do something to make this system operate more efficiently, right? So

00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:11.360
 now it depends on what is operating less efficiently, right? So much of it is down all,

00:48:11.360 --> 00:48:17.520
 it could be things are affecting the open portion of the gas well to minimize what's coming through,

00:48:17.520 --> 00:48:26.640
 it could be propaganda issues. So there's so much variety to that question. I will say we certainly

00:48:26.640 --> 00:48:31.120
 are asked. So there's some cities that use us actively for any new work done on that site.

00:48:31.120 --> 00:48:39.200
 We go out and inspect afterwards. And, you know, so that in that case, right, if there were issues

00:48:39.200 --> 00:48:44.160
 related to leaks specifically, then those are found and addressed. And, you know, if I again had to

00:48:44.160 --> 00:48:51.200
 go from memory on that, just kind of anecdotally, I'd say probably 75% of them do not have new issues.

00:48:52.240 --> 00:48:57.680
 Maybe 25% do, but were they things that were happening between the last inspection and now

00:48:57.680 --> 00:49:02.160
 I wouldn't know that answer either. So I don't suggest that there's probably a higher number.

00:49:02.160 --> 00:49:07.600
 I like when there's more maintenance and activity on a site to look at things. I think you'll find

00:49:07.600 --> 00:49:15.120
 there'll be less leaks if I just look to the general data. Okay, I do have one more. And you

00:49:15.120 --> 00:49:24.800
 may have already answered this if you have, excuse me. But the leak rate and the wonderful reduction

00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:37.520
 that is shown on this. Yes, sir. What is it most attributable to? Is it inspections,

00:49:38.640 --> 00:49:48.320
 low production, capping? What is, why has it come down? You know, so I will call upon the law of

00:49:48.320 --> 00:49:52.400
 large numbers to help me with some of that, right, because we see it holistically across the board.

00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:58.480
 So I can't believe everybody just decided to get together and shut down their well. So I think

00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:04.560
 probably overall, when there's a scrutiny and you identify leaks, again, I'll call it an embarrassment

00:50:04.560 --> 00:50:08.160
 factor, right, and somebody can find a problem that's obvious to find on your pad site and

00:50:08.160 --> 00:50:12.160
 you're embarrassed to do it. Is that the person that's out in the field that now his boss knows,

00:50:12.160 --> 00:50:18.640
 oh man, I'm not fixing the snap valve fast enough, or I should bring a crescent wrench with me maybe.

00:50:18.640 --> 00:50:24.960
 You know, so I mean, several of these fixes are easy, right? So I mean, it's just minor maintenance,

00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:31.600
 but you can't see it if you don't look with the right equipment. So I'll say the additional

00:50:31.600 --> 00:50:38.320
 scrutiny on them in an inspection program is probably the number one reason. It has to be the

00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:43.680
 case, but look across all the different cities. Okay. Thank you very much. You bet. Mr. Stevens?

00:50:43.680 --> 00:50:51.600
 Yes. Thank you. Again, great presentation. Quick question. Is there a compliance component

00:50:51.600 --> 00:50:59.360
 specific to the quantity of gases that you may find during inspection?

00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:05.600
 And I imagine that's not your department, but is there a reporting process?

00:51:05.600 --> 00:51:12.080
 Sure. It has a responsibility to make sure, just to hear, thank you for the example of a jogger

00:51:12.080 --> 00:51:18.240
 running fast in the air, and there's gas hissing out of the ground. Is there a prioritization

00:51:18.240 --> 00:51:24.080
 system in place to where something needs to happen there as soon as and later?

00:51:24.080 --> 00:51:30.080
 So let me speak to the ask of regulatory compliance first, right? So it's not that there's no rules,

00:51:31.680 --> 00:51:38.400
 on a pad site operations. If it was drilled, I'm going to say, now I'm reaching to my memory bank,

00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:44.080
 I'm going to say September 15th, 2015, right? Post that date. And we certainly have had some

00:51:44.080 --> 00:51:50.240
 changes in administration since then where things have kind of gone all over. But if you are a post

00:51:50.240 --> 00:51:56.320
 that date, it is still my understanding that the quota, the process that I described, like going

00:51:56.320 --> 00:52:00.080
 out with the camera and looking for things and having a specific definition, those apply

00:52:00.640 --> 00:52:05.280
 to those. And if those leaks are found, they have to be reported, and there's a federal system to

00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:10.720
 track those, fix those, document along the way. So there's an obligation for compliance for those

00:52:10.720 --> 00:52:17.360
 things that we're talking about to be fixed. But unfortunately, very few wells in our DFW area are

00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:24.000
 post 2015. So we have to fall where you made these rule sets, which would be great, and would have

00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:30.000
 people doing the things we're talking about, but they're not retroactive. But there are some that

00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:34.240
 are post, so they have to do that. Now there's other larger pieces of equipment as you move off

00:52:34.240 --> 00:52:40.720
 to a compressor station, etc., right, some larger sources. They have other requirements and

00:52:40.720 --> 00:52:46.400
 communication and inspection elements. And that sets aside other things. There's other operational

00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:51.040
 things, right, the Railroad Commission looks at, that are not part of our inspection because we're

00:52:51.040 --> 00:52:56.240
 really very focused on the air quality piece. You can go back to House Bill 40 as to why that has to

00:52:56.240 --> 00:53:02.240
 be a focus of what you're looking at. But so there is compliance. So to that one, it exists. It's just

00:53:02.240 --> 00:53:08.240
 so thin, it's likely not going to answer the concerns that most municipalities have about

00:53:08.240 --> 00:53:12.000
 can this be done better, or can we limit the potential impact to off-site parties?

00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:19.920
 All right, so am I hearing that correctly, that it sounds like the federal government is the one

00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:28.080
 that would force repairs/compliance post-2015 waves? They have a, so there's a relationship.

00:53:28.080 --> 00:53:33.920
 Obviously, TCEQ has primacy for most air quality items, right, meaning they've been given authority

00:53:33.920 --> 00:53:40.960
 to enact and perform on air quality issues. Where that sits today, because I think our state is one

00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:44.480
 of those that likes to sue the government for things, I don't know who's taking what and some

00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:52.080
 of that. It's not to knock anything, it's just that's where we're at. Right now I'd say it's more of a

00:53:52.080 --> 00:53:58.240
 reporting element. I think you're going to have very few boots on the ground to verify, right.

00:53:58.240 --> 00:54:04.080
 There's just, the staff available at a federal level is even thinner than the staff available at

00:54:04.080 --> 00:54:15.360
 the state level. Thank you. Yes sir. I have just a couple. One, you made a comment at the beginning

00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:21.200
 of the presentation, and it just caught my ear. You said something like, well that's a leak that

00:54:21.200 --> 00:54:26.320
 they would want to fix, and I wonder if you have an example of a leak an operator wouldn't want to

00:54:26.320 --> 00:54:34.720
 fix. So we would not call something a leak. In fact, so our current approach, I don't have a

00:54:34.720 --> 00:54:41.840
 single operator that says that's not a leak, right. So I'm using terms. There are low bleed pieces of

00:54:41.840 --> 00:54:48.560
 equipment that we have very limited, right. I can still see those. So for example, on any pad side,

00:54:48.560 --> 00:54:52.160
 if we don't have the background on a piece of equipment that's leaking, we'll communicate,

00:54:52.160 --> 00:54:57.600
 can you give us a spec sheet so I make sure it's less than six standard cubic feet per hour, right.

00:54:57.600 --> 00:55:02.080
 That's a threshold of which there's a minimal amount, the volume is low enough, and it's just

00:55:02.080 --> 00:55:07.920
 by definition, again in quota A, those rules. So that's one that we make fine, but because it

00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:13.040
 is de minimis according to federal rules, right. They wouldn't want to fix it. They'd say, great,

00:55:13.040 --> 00:55:19.920
 it's operating like it's supposed to. Okay. All right. Thank you. Sorry real quick. Is that which,

00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:26.800
 what you meant by permitted emissions on a side? Right. So most of the pad sides probably have a

00:55:26.800 --> 00:55:31.760
 permit by rule. That means there's a threshold of emissions that you must stay below. And so even

00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:37.760
 their choices of equipment will be based on that, right. So that's a known, you know, ceiling for

00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:42.800
 them to operate. So every time a pneumatic valve opens and closes as it's supposed to, we could see

00:55:42.800 --> 00:55:48.480
 that and that has a volume, but that's within that permitted volume that is allowed that remains

00:55:48.480 --> 00:55:52.960
 below that ceiling. Does that make sense? So it's a leak would be when that piece of equipment

00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:58.880
 jams open and is blown back, that's the dump valve. That's the most common leak is that pneumatic

00:55:58.880 --> 00:56:04.000
 operating piece of equipment, but that would be permitted. And as long as they stay below a ceiling

00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:10.080
 and that ceiling is less documented by any sampling, it's based on an average well has what,

00:56:10.080 --> 00:56:14.880
 an average separator has what, I've chosen this model. And so these pieces all together emit this

00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:21.280
 much, that's below this much, the permit by rule is given. And so piggybacking off that, so the leaks

00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:28.080
 included in our data are the ones that were above the permitted. Correct. The things that we find

00:56:28.080 --> 00:56:34.800
 are not normal operating conditions. So then that would lead me to my next comment, which

00:56:34.800 --> 00:56:43.040
 Ed suggested, which we are doing the greenhouse gas inventory and those leaks would be pretty

00:56:43.040 --> 00:56:49.040
 significant information for us to know as this committee, if that would be something possible

00:56:49.040 --> 00:56:53.920
 that we could incorporate in our inventory. I think, because I mean, that's really why we do

00:56:53.920 --> 00:57:01.840
 these inspections anyway. I mean, I think so. I mean, similar to what we spoke about. So

00:57:01.840 --> 00:57:07.520
 yeah, as Michael indicated, there's permitted, abnormal. And so those are quantifiable because

00:57:07.520 --> 00:57:11.920
 there's assumed numbers that have been communicated to the state. We emit this much or less, so you

00:57:11.920 --> 00:57:16.480
 could have those numbers. And then you have a certain number of events that have happened that

00:57:16.480 --> 00:57:22.400
 we've identified. And then you could allocate assumed amount with each of those and that could

00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:27.280
 be counted. So those two together probably represent most full understanding of greenhouse

00:57:27.280 --> 00:57:33.360
 gases related to operating gas wells. Well, we might just need to come back to that at some point

00:57:33.360 --> 00:57:38.160
 in our greenhouse inventory discussion. I could introduce you to the other engineers who would love

00:57:38.160 --> 00:57:47.840
 to talk all day about that. Okay. And so I know we've been stopped on our discussion because of

00:57:47.840 --> 00:57:52.640
 the posting, which I'm a little disappointed in because we can't talk about plugged wells or

00:57:52.640 --> 00:57:58.640
 abandoned wells because it's not an active gas well. Is that what you're saying? No, I would just

00:57:58.640 --> 00:58:03.200
 say if we're going to get into the actual cleanup of impaction, that's beyond the inspection protocol.

00:58:03.200 --> 00:58:08.080
 So the inspections, if they contact an operator and the operator notifies that that well has been

00:58:08.080 --> 00:58:13.360
 plugged or abandoned, which we're aware of too possibly, that one would not then be inspected.

00:58:13.360 --> 00:58:16.800
 So if you have a question about plugging and abandoning, we can see if that's, if we can answer

00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:22.560
 that, we're going to be coming back with a memo next meeting to clarify how many, I'm trying to

00:58:22.560 --> 00:58:27.440
 give kind of a little bit of history of where it stands because some wells get added or turned off

00:58:27.440 --> 00:58:31.600
 for a while, brought back online. Others actually get plugged and abandoned. We want to make sure

00:58:31.600 --> 00:58:38.080
 we have that accurate number for you. Yeah, that's, I have questions about those too, but I think that

00:58:38.080 --> 00:58:45.120
 kind of speaks to that little no man's land that you were talking about before, right? Yeah. Okay,

00:58:45.120 --> 00:58:52.720
 so it's just important because one of the first, I guess, slides you had was the population and

00:58:52.720 --> 00:58:58.800
 didn't, right, and at this point land is becoming pretty valuable for the population. So at some

00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:05.360
 point we need to be able to discuss, discuss that in a different posting. Other than that,

00:59:05.360 --> 00:59:11.280
 I want to thank you for your time and all your information. This is really, really great. So

00:59:11.280 --> 00:59:17.840
 thank you. It's a pleasure to be a partner with you guys. Do you want to do it? Thank you. Thank you.

00:59:21.760 --> 00:59:33.920
 Shift B, here we go. All right, so we will move to item D, Receive a Report,

00:59:33.920 --> 00:59:42.800
 Hold a Discussion Regarding the Recycling Cart Tagging Program. I didn't see our solid waste.

00:59:48.800 --> 00:59:57.280
 Brandy Neilsen on the Cart Tagging Program, which are the interns who are out with the wagon

00:59:57.280 --> 01:00:04.720
 and tagging carts work with Brandy and with our group for education. We just want to give you a

01:00:04.720 --> 01:00:11.760
 little bit of background about that program and then also just the input. We still get a lot of

01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:17.360
 questions from people who don't understand what the recycling program is and any input you'll

01:00:17.360 --> 01:00:26.080
 give us about ways you might be able to reach people that we're missing. Hi Brandy, welcome.

01:00:26.080 --> 01:00:30.160
 Thank you. I didn't mean to overlook you, I just used to see a brine. I know, it's okay.

01:00:30.160 --> 01:00:36.720
 Are we ready? Yes. Awesome. Well, I'm super excited to be here today. I was going to talk

01:00:36.720 --> 01:00:41.280
 to you about contamination reduction efforts, like Kat said, specifically the Cart Tagging Program.

01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:45.120
 So you may see this in your neighborhood, but you may have not, but we'll talk a little bit

01:00:45.120 --> 01:00:51.280
 more about it. So real quickly, our agenda is to identify our issue, is to find the strategy and

01:00:51.280 --> 01:00:59.200
 then execute our plan. So high contamination, that is our issue. So 68% is where we used to be. So

01:00:59.200 --> 01:01:04.000
 I'm proud to say that is not where we are today, but this is where we were. So I wanted you guys

01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:09.760
 to see that high number. So when I talk about contamination, there are a few things that we're

01:01:09.760 --> 01:01:14.480
 talking about other than just trash that's going into the blue recycling bin. So there's a couple

01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:19.680
 pictures here as examples. So you can see yard waste. So yard waste should be diverted at your

01:01:19.680 --> 01:01:23.360
 curb, but we don't want to put that in the blue recycling bin. That wants to go in your brown

01:01:23.360 --> 01:01:29.360
 waste bin. Also, we have styrofoam here. So styrofoam is a recyclable material, but it's

01:01:29.360 --> 01:01:34.560
 a non-programmed material for the city of Den. So yes, it has a recycling symbol on it, but it

01:01:34.560 --> 01:01:40.400
 doesn't go in our blue bin. Same goes with plastic film. So we see that very often. So plastic film

01:01:40.400 --> 01:01:45.520
 can go back to a grocery store. It just doesn't go into our blue bin. So non-programmed material.

01:01:45.520 --> 01:01:50.240
 Also, you can see our peanut butter jar here. So it's a little bit dirty, so dirty recyclables.

01:01:50.240 --> 01:01:53.920
 If you think about it, sometimes there's things that are a lot worse than this. So food, there's

01:01:53.920 --> 01:02:01.760
 cat food, dog food, ranch, ketchup, whatever it is. And so it's kind of shaped or the market has

01:02:01.760 --> 01:02:06.560
 shifted over the past few years. So when this used to be maybe a little bit more acceptable and it

01:02:06.560 --> 01:02:13.680
 could slide by, it's not anymore. So now our MRF says no longer everything has to be super clean.

01:02:13.680 --> 01:02:17.600
 And so that's the message. We've always sent it. You know, empty, clean, loose, and dry has always

01:02:17.600 --> 01:02:21.840
 been our message. You also need to think about when it gets in the truck and it starts to compact,

01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:27.600
 that stuff will fall out and then it contaminates everything surrounding it as well. We see a lot

01:02:27.600 --> 01:02:33.200
 of clothing items. So people have great intentions. They may be done with this piece of clothing, but

01:02:33.200 --> 01:02:36.960
 they, you know, it's not done with its life and they want it to go somewhere else. But again,

01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:41.680
 the blue bin is not the place for it. So those things can go through a donation store. They can

01:02:41.680 --> 01:02:46.240
 go to any of the bins that you see around town, but we need to keep them out of that blue recycling

01:02:46.240 --> 01:02:52.480
 bin. So this is just a quick graph. So this information comes from our contracted recycling

01:02:52.480 --> 01:02:59.200
 partner, Pratt. So they provide us data every month. You can see here, we started in October,

01:02:59.200 --> 01:03:07.040
 so this is October 2020. So this was last fiscal year. At our highest point, we're at about 68%,

01:03:07.040 --> 01:03:12.880
 which we talked about earlier, which is fairly high. So around February, we said we need to restart.

01:03:12.880 --> 01:03:17.280
 We've got to do something about it. Our contamination is way too high. We had a lot of new staff

01:03:17.280 --> 01:03:22.160
 starting at this time. You can see where our interns began in July and you can see we had

01:03:22.160 --> 01:03:30.400
 already made progress down to 54%. And we keep moving down. Spoiler alert. So this is a great

01:03:30.400 --> 01:03:37.520
 graphic to kind of visually show you where is the contamination. So again, this was back in January,

01:03:37.520 --> 01:03:42.400
 February, when our contamination rates were fairly high. So these are the routes, residential routes

01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:47.440
 here in the city of Denton. You can see they're clustered by color. So that is an actual route.

01:03:47.440 --> 01:03:54.720
 Some are deeper, darker red. Those are 80 to 90% contaminated routes. Overall, we can say all of

01:03:54.720 --> 01:03:59.280
 the city of Denton is contaminated. We can't really pinpoint. There's a certain area. We can see that

01:03:59.280 --> 01:04:04.080
 some is a little higher than others, but we knew we had a big problem and it was all over the town.

01:04:04.080 --> 01:04:09.120
 So we can do this for both residential and commercial. The commercial map looks a little

01:04:09.120 --> 01:04:14.400
 different. Commercial is an open market here in the city of Denton, so they don't have to use the

01:04:14.400 --> 01:04:19.360
 city of Denton. So the spots, you know, it's not a cluster. They're just all over the map. So it's

01:04:19.360 --> 01:04:25.600
 harder to tell. So residential, what we were already doing, we already had an education and

01:04:25.600 --> 01:04:30.160
 outreach plan. So we use social media. We use Nextdoor, Facebook. We're always putting the

01:04:30.160 --> 01:04:35.440
 message out, always telling them, you know, empty, clean, loose and dry. Keep your recycles out of a

01:04:35.440 --> 01:04:41.280
 bag. Do not put plastic film. And then we always end a monthly newsletter as well. So we would send

01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:45.920
 out the Citizen Connect. It goes in utility bill. There's always a message in it, whether it's a

01:04:45.920 --> 01:04:50.240
 seasonal message about your Christmas tree, your wrapping tree, or wrapping paper, pumpkins,

01:04:50.240 --> 01:04:55.440
 whatever it is, there's always a message in there as well. We had the Forged Lisa. We had someone

01:04:55.440 --> 01:04:59.280
 else, but they were working with the HOAs trying to get in. When Lisa came in, that's one of her

01:04:59.280 --> 01:05:04.400
 major projects that she's taken on. And then at the curb, our drivers have actually been tagging

01:05:04.400 --> 01:05:10.320
 since 2019. So with the drivers, they have this little yellow tag. We leave it behind. We let the

01:05:10.320 --> 01:05:15.680
 resident know your cart has been contaminated. We're not going to pick it up until next week.

01:05:15.680 --> 01:05:20.800
 We ask them to clean it out. And then you can notice here that we do tell them what belongs in

01:05:20.800 --> 01:05:25.440
 the bin, but not necessarily what they've done wrong. So we'll talk about that here in a little

01:05:25.440 --> 01:05:29.520
 bit. Our drivers do have a little bit of a challenge. So, you know, they're automated.

01:05:29.520 --> 01:05:33.040
 They're driving down the street. They're grabbing the containers and they're tossing them in. They

01:05:33.040 --> 01:05:38.240
 can't necessarily see what's underneath the lid. So we can see contamination that's overflowing,

01:05:38.240 --> 01:05:42.800
 but we can't see what's hidden underneath that lid. So that got us thinking, you know, we need

01:05:42.800 --> 01:05:48.400
 something else. We need to do something else. So the cart tagging. So we're going to pilot it first

01:05:48.400 --> 01:05:51.600
 because we didn't know how it was going to go. We know there's some other cities surrounding

01:05:51.600 --> 01:05:56.720
 us that do something very similar. So we wanted to be a part of that. So we wanted to hire some

01:05:56.720 --> 01:06:02.240
 interns. So we have some paid interns that weren't easy to find, but we did find some interns widely.

01:06:02.240 --> 01:06:06.880
 And we were going to focus on those top contaminated routes. So we knew we had a problem.

01:06:06.880 --> 01:06:11.120
 We knew which ones were higher than the others. And then we needed to start there. So we're going

01:06:11.120 --> 01:06:15.440
 to use the existing equipment that we already had, which is that yellow recycling tags. We would take

01:06:15.440 --> 01:06:21.200
 that out. If you guys are not familiar, we just implemented a smart routing system, which is Rubicon.

01:06:21.200 --> 01:06:25.440
 That's what these two tablet views are here. So you can see there's a little small one that

01:06:25.440 --> 01:06:30.400
 says contaminated. So our drivers are actually able to mark that in their truck, take a picture,

01:06:30.400 --> 01:06:35.280
 and then it pops their houses yellow. So you can see as they're approaching the home, well,

01:06:35.280 --> 01:06:40.000
 the driver can do it and our car tigers can do it as well. And so the car tigers are in front of the

01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:44.880
 truck, flagging those containers, but we're on foot. So we can't do as much as the truck can do.

01:06:44.880 --> 01:06:50.400
 We needed to tell the community about it, let them know who we are, what we were doing, and why we

01:06:50.400 --> 01:06:55.600
 were doing it. So we went to a couple different areas. As Kat was saying, we put some Friday

01:06:55.600 --> 01:07:00.160
 reports out so that all the council members were aware. We knew that they'd be getting phone calls

01:07:00.160 --> 01:07:05.360
 and the Citizen Connect. We wanted to make sure we told them there. The City of Dent shared it on their

01:07:05.360 --> 01:07:11.440
 social media. We shared it on our social media. And then we wanted to start lifting lids. So

01:07:11.440 --> 01:07:17.920
 we went out. We started lifting lids and we quickly realized that we were not able to communicate our

01:07:17.920 --> 01:07:22.640
 message as clear as we wanted to. So if you guys are familiar with the cog, they have a whole

01:07:22.640 --> 01:07:27.360
 campaign of recycle right, know what to throw. They already have these. They're pre-made. You can go

01:07:27.360 --> 01:07:32.160
 and then kind of dress them up however you want to make them for your city, put pictures. So we

01:07:32.160 --> 01:07:37.600
 implemented a three-tag system. So we have a lot of residents who are doing a great job. Their peanut

01:07:37.600 --> 01:07:42.240
 butter jars are super clean, probably been through the dishwasher. And so we want to highlight them

01:07:42.240 --> 01:07:47.760
 and let them know, thank you for being a recycling star. And then we also have a couple of residents

01:07:47.760 --> 01:07:51.920
 who just need a little bit of work. So it's not terrible. It's not highly contaminated,

01:07:51.920 --> 01:07:56.480
 but they do have some items in there that do need to come out most frequently. It's styrofoam,

01:07:56.480 --> 01:08:01.840
 plastic film, super easy. We have a really quick rule that says if we can clean the cart out within

01:08:01.840 --> 01:08:06.880
 30 seconds, then we'll pull those items out for them. And we want to leave them a tag so that they

01:08:06.880 --> 01:08:10.720
 know we were there. Because if we clean it out, they have no idea that we were there. They have

01:08:10.720 --> 01:08:15.360
 no idea that they're maybe doing something wrong. So we just leave them a super friendly notice that

01:08:15.360 --> 01:08:20.800
 says, hey, we removed these items. You still are collected. But make sure as a reminder, these items

01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:26.000
 do not belong in the blue bin. And then the oops tag goes with that yellow recycling. So now this

01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:30.400
 gives us opportunity to tell them exactly what's in their cart that needs to be removed. So instead

01:08:30.400 --> 01:08:34.480
 of just telling them what goes in it, we're able to now tell them what doesn't go in there.

01:08:34.480 --> 01:08:40.640
 So even though we tried to tell the community as much as we could, there's still lots of questions.

01:08:40.640 --> 01:08:44.640
 The police were calling us on multiple times. Why are these people out here digging in my trash? And

01:08:44.640 --> 01:08:51.200
 so we have high visibility vest on. And so one of the things that we did, we just put a big city

01:08:51.200 --> 01:08:55.680
 of Dent logo on there. A lot of times people see us from our back as we're looking in a cart. They

01:08:55.680 --> 01:08:59.920
 don't know who we are. You know, we're driving a vehicle, but we park our vehicle into the block

01:08:59.920 --> 01:09:04.160
 and we walk. And so that was something that we needed to do. One of the other things that we

01:09:04.160 --> 01:09:07.680
 realized while we were out, some of our carts have been in the field for a long time and they're in

01:09:07.680 --> 01:09:13.280
 rough shape. And so the educational stickers needed to be updated. Some were cracked. A lot of people

01:09:13.280 --> 01:09:18.160
 aren't aware that we'll replace that cart at no charge. So no big deal. If your lid is missing,

01:09:18.160 --> 01:09:22.000
 if the body's cracked, the wheels are broken. Just give us a call. We'll come out and do that.

01:09:22.000 --> 01:09:26.240
 So that's a part of this program as well. So if we see something like that, then we'll flag it for

01:09:26.240 --> 01:09:31.760
 the customer and then get it taken care of for the next week. So real quickly, we already talked a

01:09:31.760 --> 01:09:36.000
 little bit about the program details, but we are going to target those highest contaminated routes.

01:09:36.000 --> 01:09:41.040
 First, we are going to jump on the route with the driver. So like I was talking about earlier,

01:09:41.040 --> 01:09:44.960
 we're going to be ahead of the driver right on there. So he knows exactly what we're doing. He

01:09:44.960 --> 01:09:49.840
 can see us. He can see our little dots and we know where he's at as well. Because we are on foot,

01:09:49.840 --> 01:09:56.000
 we only are able to touch about a hundred homes a day per route where the driver's touching 1300

01:09:56.000 --> 01:10:00.400
 in a day. So just a little bit of that route is getting touched. So we're going to examine that

01:10:00.400 --> 01:10:04.160
 cart on the outside for damage. We're going to replace that educational sticker if it needs to

01:10:04.160 --> 01:10:08.400
 be replaced. Then we're going to inspect the contents. We're going to remove the contaminants

01:10:08.400 --> 01:10:13.760
 if we can. So we have that 30 second rule. We've had a couple of interns, you know, first intern

01:10:13.760 --> 01:10:16.960
 necessarily didn't want to clean it out. My second one wanted to drop it on the ground and

01:10:16.960 --> 01:10:21.360
 clean everything out. And so we had to kind of make a rule and say, we want to help, but we can't

01:10:21.360 --> 01:10:26.880
 spend all our time on one car. And so 30 seconds, we were moving. If it's 15% or greater, then we

01:10:26.880 --> 01:10:32.800
 will flag them. We will not go back and collect it. So we do leave them lots of tags that tell

01:10:32.800 --> 01:10:37.680
 them exactly what needs to come out. And then, you know, we'll go back and we actually go back

01:10:37.680 --> 01:10:43.680
 on a second audit. So the next week we'll go back to the same homes that we previously tagged.

01:10:43.680 --> 01:10:47.200
 And we will check and see if they have cleaned up their act or not.

01:10:47.200 --> 01:10:54.080
 So what does that tell us? So that gives us all of our outreach information. So while we're out

01:10:54.080 --> 01:10:59.120
 looking in carts, we're able to see, you know, what do we need to tell the residents? And so we

01:10:59.120 --> 01:11:04.560
 can target that message on next door, straight to one route, we're seeing something. And then we can

01:11:04.560 --> 01:11:09.760
 target, you know, to that area, tell them. So diapers, a lot of cities have diapers issue. I

01:11:09.760 --> 01:11:13.280
 don't really think we had a diaper issue, but apparently we do have a diaper issue. So we see

01:11:13.280 --> 01:11:18.320
 quite a bit of diapers. Flies are a telltale sign. If you open the lid and you see flies, you know,

01:11:18.320 --> 01:11:25.120
 that cart is contaminated. So bags, number one problem for us is in bag recyclables

01:11:25.120 --> 01:11:30.880
 and also plastic film. So the most common thing that I hear when someone calls in and they're

01:11:30.880 --> 01:11:35.200
 upset about us flagging us, you know, I've been doing this for 10 years and, you know, I have to

01:11:35.200 --> 01:11:38.880
 tell them, we understand that, you know, but now our numbers are high and we're really, you know,

01:11:38.880 --> 01:11:43.120
 just paying a little bit closer attention than we always have. So you can bag your recyclables.

01:11:43.120 --> 01:11:48.160
 It's not the best practice. We ask you not to. If they have to, there has to be a clear bag. So we

01:11:48.160 --> 01:11:53.360
 see a bag recyclable and it is clear. We can see it's clean recyclables in there. We will leave it,

01:11:53.360 --> 01:11:58.880
 but the request is no bags. Also the donation items that you see in there as well. And then also it

01:11:58.880 --> 01:12:03.600
 just brings visibility to the program. Once again, let them know who we are. We get to talk to people.

01:12:03.600 --> 01:12:08.320
 One of the best parts is everyone gets to come out and ask, what are you doing? Most people are

01:12:08.320 --> 01:12:12.560
 friendly. Some, you know, a little upset when they first start, but we can flip that conversation

01:12:12.560 --> 01:12:17.840
 because they were transparent with them exactly why we're doing it. And then has it been an issue?

01:12:17.840 --> 01:12:24.400
 So this is a quick graph to kind of shows you. So the top graph shows you every route that we have.

01:12:24.400 --> 01:12:32.080
 You can see this is for our entire internship. We still haven't touched 12/31/13/13 or 15/15.

01:12:32.080 --> 01:12:37.040
 But the blue line represents how many homes we touched per route. And then the orange line

01:12:37.040 --> 01:12:41.360
 represents how many homes are flagged as contaminated. The bottom graph shows you

01:12:41.360 --> 01:12:46.240
 by percentage. You can see some of them about 40% contaminated as our highest routes. Again,

01:12:46.240 --> 01:12:51.440
 we're not able to touch all the homes on the routes. We have revisited the same routes over

01:12:51.440 --> 01:12:55.920
 and over. They keep coming up in the highest contaminated route. So we can go to different

01:12:55.920 --> 01:13:01.760
 sections. So we've touched about 15,000 homes and about 4,000 were considered contaminated.

01:13:01.760 --> 01:13:06.880
 One of the new things that we are tracking is that notice. So we haven't always tracked the notice.

01:13:06.880 --> 01:13:12.000
 We just left the notice and moved on. But we actually are cleaning it out for the customers.

01:13:12.000 --> 01:13:16.480
 So we want to consider that as part of our contamination numbers as well. So that number

01:13:16.480 --> 01:13:24.160
 is down there. So it doesn't reflect in the earlier data that we were compiling. So about 27% of homes

01:13:24.160 --> 01:13:30.240
 were marked as contaminated. And then our repeat offenders, when we go back, about 40% of them have

01:13:30.240 --> 01:13:35.920
 not cleaned out their cart. And some don't bring their cart to the curb because they know they're

01:13:35.920 --> 01:13:43.200
 coming. So this is a wonderful visual. If you remember, our map showed you where we were in

01:13:43.200 --> 01:13:49.600
 January. This other map on the other side is where we were in December. So we have a recent map.

01:13:49.600 --> 01:13:55.280
 We're missing some employees who know how to map. But you can see all the yellow dots, which is

01:13:55.280 --> 01:14:00.720
 awesome, all the green dots. We still have some shaded orange there, which is not red. So we will

01:14:00.720 --> 01:14:07.680
 take that as a win. But we are moving in the right direction. So this is our overall result. So you

01:14:07.680 --> 01:14:12.080
 can see that top line where we were last year. You can see where we are today as of March.

01:14:12.080 --> 01:14:16.960
 The end of this month, we'll get the new numbers. We did actually see a little bit of an increase.

01:14:16.960 --> 01:14:21.120
 You can see we kind of stalled out from December to February. And then March, we've seen an

01:14:21.120 --> 01:14:24.960
 increase. And that was in residential. Our commercial is doing great. They're down to 39%.

01:14:26.320 --> 01:14:31.200
 Same efforts are being done there. I don't know what happened. But it'll be interesting to see

01:14:31.200 --> 01:14:37.120
 what our April numbers are. So next steps for us. So we've been running the internship program

01:14:37.120 --> 01:14:41.440
 since about July. So we want to be able to get all this data and figure out what do we do with it.

01:14:41.440 --> 01:14:47.120
 So how do we enforce it? What do we do with the repeated vendors, who 40% aren't cleaning out

01:14:47.120 --> 01:14:52.720
 their carts? Some cities do fines. Some cities will remove the container overall. We haven't

01:14:53.840 --> 01:14:58.160
 figured out what our decision is going to be yet. But that's what's on the horizon for us.

01:14:58.160 --> 01:15:04.720
 We'll continue to educate, like always. And then postcards, that's something that's coming new. So

01:15:04.720 --> 01:15:09.360
 go into the highest contaminated routes. We'll be sending out direct mailers to them.

01:15:09.360 --> 01:15:14.640
 And then just continue to brainstorm. And then like Kat said, we're happy to take your suggestions.

01:15:14.640 --> 01:15:20.720
 What you think would work best, we are happy to hear it. And that's all I have.

01:15:21.680 --> 01:15:24.960
 I have some questions and comments, but you want to start? Do you guys have any?

01:15:24.960 --> 01:15:34.640
 I'd rather someone else start. I've got one for sure. It was on your very first slide. The

01:15:34.640 --> 01:15:42.880
 definition of contamination, I understand what counts as contamination. But that like, so take

01:15:42.880 --> 01:15:49.520
 45%. That's where we're at now. Does that mean if you have 100 pounds of any recycling container,

01:15:50.480 --> 01:15:59.840
 45 pounds is not recyclable in five weeks? Yes. Oh, wow. It's a big deal. It's a big deal. It really

01:15:59.840 --> 01:16:06.960
 is. Wow. Okay. Thank you. I also want to commend you for what you're doing. This is an interesting

01:16:06.960 --> 01:16:13.760
 connection with our last presentation. If you go looking, you get improvement. Yeah, absolutely.

01:16:13.760 --> 01:16:19.600
 Good job. Thank you. I just want to say thank you so much. I love this program. I think it's

01:16:19.600 --> 01:16:23.600
 really inventive. And you guys are just doing such a fantastic job about the community engagement

01:16:23.600 --> 01:16:29.200
 element too. It's really, really commendable. So obviously I've lived in a lot of multi-families

01:16:29.200 --> 01:16:33.840
 around town and I know there's long discussions about the availability of recycling and how the

01:16:33.840 --> 01:16:39.680
 solid waste in those types of housing units work. But for the housing units that are multi-family

01:16:39.680 --> 01:16:45.920
 that I have lived in that do offer recycling, obviously that is directed and managed by the

01:16:45.920 --> 01:16:51.280
 multi-family administration, right? Not necessarily each individual resident having direct control over

01:16:51.280 --> 01:16:55.920
 where that waste goes, how it's collected, where they get notified even. And so I'm just wondering,

01:16:55.920 --> 01:17:00.320
 say I move into town because I'm a new resident and I want to attend a college or whatever,

01:17:00.320 --> 01:17:06.480
 and I move into a multi-family and I don't necessarily receive any materials that tell

01:17:06.480 --> 01:17:13.600
 me how to engage with our waste system. So I'm just kind of curious where ideas or what programs

01:17:13.600 --> 01:17:18.720
 might be out there for that kind of resident. And then when you do have a little bit of separate

01:17:18.720 --> 01:17:24.320
 question, but when you do have multi-family with the availability of recycling, how they can

01:17:24.320 --> 01:17:30.000
 communicate to their residents about what sort of waste management education needs to go on within

01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:35.200
 their community. So I can start, Julissa may want to speak a little bit because she is our pro for

01:17:35.200 --> 01:17:41.920
 that. But one of the things that we've talked about for a long time is like a new resident packet.

01:17:42.720 --> 01:17:46.640
 So currently this is residential, not necessarily multi-family, but it could be the same.

01:17:46.640 --> 01:17:51.360
 So residential, when a brand new build comes in and they build the house from ground up,

01:17:51.360 --> 01:17:56.400
 they get new carts, they do get a welcome packet that tells them a little bit of information.

01:17:56.400 --> 01:18:02.000
 But if someone's tenant moves in, moves out, they don't get anything. So I mean, our neighbors next

01:18:02.000 --> 01:18:07.120
 door recycle different than we recycle here in Dent. It is not consistent across the state,

01:18:07.120 --> 01:18:11.600
 you know, at all. And so we do need some sort of packet. And that is something that we've been

01:18:11.600 --> 01:18:16.480
 talking about for a while that we need to make happen. Do you want to come talk?

01:18:16.480 --> 01:18:19.680
 Can you guys see me?

01:18:19.680 --> 01:18:41.280
 So I do the education for the multi-families. And what I normally do is, so Brandy, when we meet

01:18:41.600 --> 01:18:46.720
 we have our top contaminated commercial routes. So from there, they'll actually divvy them up into

01:18:46.720 --> 01:18:51.440
 DISD. So Kim will take care of those. I'll take care of multi-family. And then we also have

01:18:51.440 --> 01:18:56.160
 Shelby Smith in Solid Waste who will do the other commercial industrial restaurants, etc.

01:18:56.160 --> 01:19:00.720
 So a majority of the times I'm visiting multi-families that are predominantly on

01:19:00.720 --> 01:19:05.360
 the highest contaminated routes. So I'll leave them information to have these little move-in

01:19:05.360 --> 01:19:10.800
 multi-family info cards. So we give them a card to include in their move-in packets for their residents.

01:19:10.800 --> 01:19:15.200
 We also give them the reusable apartment bags that have a handle on the bottom so they can empty them

01:19:15.200 --> 01:19:19.440
 directly into the containers that they have on site. And then we also give them an apartment

01:19:19.440 --> 01:19:23.760
 planner. How do you use your reusable bag? Don't just dump it directly into the container. You

01:19:23.760 --> 01:19:27.600
 want to reuse it and refill it and repeat. So that's what I do with a lot of the highest

01:19:27.600 --> 01:19:32.240
 contaminated ones. And then we've also started doing events. So I've been feeding very hungry

01:19:32.240 --> 01:19:37.840
 college kids with Little Caesar's pizzas and, you know, just being able to try and get back in there,

01:19:37.840 --> 01:19:41.280
 especially now that we're opening back up. But offering events because there's a lot of

01:19:41.280 --> 01:19:46.080
 specifically student-run living that they have a lot of different events and they want to engage

01:19:46.080 --> 01:19:51.200
 a lot of their residents. But I was at Uptown last week, so Uptown Apartments off of 35,

01:19:51.200 --> 01:19:56.800
 and they did an Instagram Live with me. So I did a recycling presentation for them. They had 32

01:19:56.800 --> 01:20:01.920
 people on there and then their kiddos came in, got some pizza. So that's how I'm able to do

01:20:01.920 --> 01:20:06.960
 some education like that. But I'm definitely open to reaching out and any ideas you guys have.

01:20:07.920 --> 01:20:09.680
 And I want to jump in a little bit on that.

01:20:09.680 --> 01:20:17.760
 It gets a little bit deeper than that because when Jaleesa's out on site, she sees

01:20:17.760 --> 01:20:21.120
 they have a four-yard container here that's overflowing. They have an eight-yard container

01:20:21.120 --> 01:20:24.640
 in the back that has nothing in it. So then we go back and we ask them to make that little

01:20:24.640 --> 01:20:29.200
 operational change where they switch the carts around so that we can, you know, not have this

01:20:29.200 --> 01:20:33.680
 overflowing cart that they can't pick up or the trash is overflowing and using the recycling for

01:20:33.680 --> 01:20:40.400
 trash. So having Jaleesa on site, having Shelby, Kim, everybody on site, we make operational

01:20:40.400 --> 01:20:47.920
 changes. Also the multifamily with the locking lids, chute lids and locking bars to keep them

01:20:47.920 --> 01:20:54.800
 from being able to put those large non-recyclable items in their mattresses, giant rubber-made totes

01:20:54.800 --> 01:21:00.800
 full of cat litter. Yeah, it's amazing what people think might be recyclable.

01:21:01.840 --> 01:21:08.160
 I just, are the notices, the yellow tags and all, are they bilingual? Yes. Good.

01:21:08.160 --> 01:21:14.240
 Yes, and I didn't even say that, but they do. When you flip them, they are bilingual on the back side.

01:21:14.240 --> 01:21:20.880
 Thank you. Are you on that again? No, we're moving right along. Do you have another one in?

01:21:20.880 --> 01:21:24.240
 Congratulations. Thank you. Go ahead, Mr. Steven.

01:21:25.280 --> 01:21:32.160
 My personal concern, I believe in the family, we do a good job of clean, recycle, but there's

01:21:32.160 --> 01:21:39.360
 opportunity for sure. Education will be the headliner. I do get the monthly newsletters and

01:21:39.360 --> 01:21:44.560
 I do read that on a regular basis. Styrofoam was a question in my house, so thank you for that

01:21:44.560 --> 01:21:53.600
 clarification today. Opportunity, well, practicality being one and then a suggestion. I've done some

01:21:53.600 --> 01:22:01.200
 work with the Army Corps of Engineers educating middle schoolers in St. Louis with regards to the

01:22:01.200 --> 01:22:07.200
 impact of dad changing oil and dumping the oil in the sewer and how it ends up in the water systems

01:22:07.200 --> 01:22:13.680
 and so forth. Throwing a empty potato chip bag on the street, nine times out of 10, that's going to

01:22:13.680 --> 01:22:18.960
 end up in the Gulf of Mexico and the 12-mile island thing or something like that. When we begin to

01:22:18.960 --> 01:22:25.360
 educate the children, it was the children became a tremendous workforce to help us clean up hot

01:22:25.360 --> 01:22:30.160
 spots, if you would, in the St. Louis, Missouri metro area. My point would be, or suggestion would be,

01:22:30.160 --> 01:22:39.680
 I did not see it, education is key. And so what about our youth, our older elementary school kids

01:22:39.680 --> 01:22:46.480
 slash junior high? Is there an opportunity to be able to maybe get to the science teachers to make

01:22:46.480 --> 01:22:51.760
 a presentation or to do an event, you know, at a school or something. Now, my daughter's a second

01:22:51.760 --> 01:22:57.360
 grade teacher, she'll be like, "Dad, we don't need anything else on our plate," but this is a very

01:22:57.360 --> 01:23:04.320
 important item. You know, sustainability is very important and I think that is a demographic that

01:23:04.320 --> 01:23:11.200
 we really, really want to educate now if we want to make long-term your presented future. So,

01:23:11.840 --> 01:23:17.680
 and then finally, in my office I do a lot of shredding, a lot of shredding. One of my challenges

01:23:17.680 --> 01:23:26.640
 is windy days, I'll see this shred all over my yard, you know, or even when the truck dumps it,

01:23:26.640 --> 01:23:33.040
 that shred is, you know, over the street. So is there a suggestion on how I could better handle,

01:23:33.040 --> 01:23:38.560
 you know, that aspect of trying to effectively participate in recycling?

01:23:38.560 --> 01:23:44.320
 Yes, so that is the one exception to bagging recyclables is shred. So you can use a clear bag

01:23:44.320 --> 01:23:48.480
 and they can see that it is shredded material in there. You can use a paper bag and a lot of people

01:23:48.480 --> 01:23:54.640
 just write shred on it so that they can see that. And then to the point of the schools, Kim's doing

01:23:54.640 --> 01:23:59.600
 wonderful things and she probably needs to come to a presentation to share that. So when did you

01:23:59.600 --> 01:24:05.840
 start? October? October? Yes. Yeah, so she's moved mountains since then and has a great story to tell,

01:24:05.840 --> 01:24:11.520
 but definitely we're in the schools. And then finally, you know, an incentivization program.

01:24:11.520 --> 01:24:19.120
 Yes. People are money motivated. Yes. And if I could, this is, if I could wipe out my

01:24:19.120 --> 01:24:26.000
 recycle rental fee, you know, because, you know, the, I'm getting the stars, you know, month in and

01:24:26.000 --> 01:24:32.080
 month out, you know, just something to consider. We might get more participation, you know, when

01:24:32.080 --> 01:24:36.400
 people said, wait a minute, I can save a few dollars here. We're in a, we're in a season where

01:24:36.400 --> 01:24:42.640
 you guys, they wanted taxes or just real estate taxes, just out of range. You know, but anyway,

01:24:42.640 --> 01:24:47.840
 those were the, those were the concerns that I had both personally and suggested that I think

01:24:47.840 --> 01:24:54.320
 would help us in the short term educate our elementary kids somehow by incorporating them

01:24:54.320 --> 01:25:01.360
 in a process to where they can almost become inspectors at home, you know. And then finally,

01:25:02.160 --> 01:25:09.280
 one thing I wondered, are there any small, we've had to make this up in my home where we've got

01:25:09.280 --> 01:25:14.640
 those plastic tubs and we can sit underneath the cabinet where we can throw those water bottles in

01:25:14.640 --> 01:25:21.920
 or something. I think we might even get cleaner recycle if, you know, we even have something like

01:25:21.920 --> 01:25:26.080
 that. Now for me, I'm willing to pay for or something like that. If, if you guys could make

01:25:26.080 --> 01:25:33.440
 that building nice and green recycle and might even print on that thing, what does not go in here,

01:25:33.440 --> 01:25:38.560
 so to speak. So anyway, that's what we have a little, but we don't really give them to residents.

01:25:38.560 --> 01:25:43.360
 But it is something that we can make happen. If someone calls them, we'll say, hey, you know what,

01:25:43.360 --> 01:25:48.560
 I have something for you. And we will take that. That's a great suggestion. I'm a former McDonald's

01:25:48.560 --> 01:25:53.920
 franchise. It's convenience, convenience, convenience. And so the more convenient we can make the

01:25:53.920 --> 01:26:00.880
 programs, the more practical I believe people will participate in. Yes. Thank you. So thank you so

01:26:00.880 --> 01:26:05.680
 much for this presentation. I have just a few comments and a couple of questions, but this is

01:26:05.680 --> 01:26:13.840
 fantastic. Great work that you guys are doing. So one, I just want to make sure that this presentation

01:26:13.840 --> 01:26:22.400
 can be uploaded to the agenda online so that we can see it. Next, I'm waiting for my Recycling Star

01:26:22.400 --> 01:26:35.280
 tag. So one thing I had, and you mentioned like the live stream, like I think having a live stream

01:26:35.280 --> 01:26:42.320
 with you guys and maybe as a council person or just random like employees like going through,

01:26:42.320 --> 01:26:46.960
 because like right now I want to know what about solo cups? Are solo cups recyclable?

01:26:46.960 --> 01:26:51.440
 Because if they're plastic, you know, especially for college kids, like if they're empty,

01:26:52.640 --> 01:26:58.160
 like I don't know, it says recycle on the bottom. Like you know, a live stream, like what about this?

01:26:58.160 --> 01:27:02.000
 What about this? You know, because some of those things like you think, you know, but

01:27:02.000 --> 01:27:12.000
 you know, it's, you just don't know. That would be kind of helpful. And then on contamination,

01:27:12.000 --> 01:27:18.560
 one of the presentations we had DISD, and I think there's a presentation on that coming up,

01:27:18.560 --> 01:27:24.320
 like the contamination DSD was just really high. One of the slides that we saw before.

01:27:24.320 --> 01:27:32.000
 So if we can have an update on that would be great. The next, I'm curious about municipal

01:27:32.000 --> 01:27:40.400
 contamination. Is that you do? Yeah. So I'll tell you that we are on it right now. So one of the

01:27:40.400 --> 01:27:46.160
 things, and we didn't talk too much about commercial, but we've done a ton of pilots. We piloted DISD,

01:27:46.160 --> 01:27:52.640
 we piloted multifamilies. So we actually take a wheel. I have some cheater slides for you that

01:27:52.640 --> 01:27:57.200
 I'll share. This actually, I'm presenting it at Texuano next week. So that's why you didn't get

01:27:57.200 --> 01:28:02.880
 the presentation at this time. Because, okay, so here it is. So this is just like a wheel of the

01:28:02.880 --> 01:28:10.800
 commercial. So we kind of broke it down route by percentage. You can see one route, what it looks

01:28:10.800 --> 01:28:15.040
 like. And so this isn't a good example, but you can see the city of Denton is about 5%. Some of

01:28:15.040 --> 01:28:20.160
 the other routes, that city of Denton piece is a lot larger. And we have seen some high contamination.

01:28:20.160 --> 01:28:25.360
 So one of the things that my team is doing, and with Julie's and Kim's help as well, they're

01:28:25.360 --> 01:28:29.440
 getting into the city of Denton buildings and they're inspecting not only what's in the container,

01:28:29.440 --> 01:28:34.560
 but what is the setup? Because what we have at our solid waste building is not what Catherine has in

01:28:34.560 --> 01:28:39.040
 sustainability. It's not what's here. I've been working here the past couple of weeks and I haven't

01:28:39.040 --> 01:28:44.480
 seen a recycling bin in my office. And so we know that it's not consistent. So when we work with

01:28:44.480 --> 01:28:49.680
 facilities to find out how can we make it consistent, and then when we get it consistent,

01:28:49.680 --> 01:28:56.400
 then we will do a city of Denton building only route and see what the true contamination is.

01:28:56.400 --> 01:29:00.720
 And then we know, is it bad? Is it good? And we'll be able to really just identify it.

01:29:00.720 --> 01:29:05.280
 Because there's a cart back here, but there's a black plastic bag.

01:29:05.280 --> 01:29:11.120
 Well, and that's another thing is that they're not responsible. They, being janitorial staff,

01:29:11.120 --> 01:29:18.160
 is not supposed to take the recycling out at any building. But it happens because the mine's empty

01:29:18.160 --> 01:29:24.240
 all the time and I don't know where it goes. And so the people in the building are responsible for

01:29:24.240 --> 01:29:28.880
 carrying those recyclables out, but do they know? And so one of the things we've done is we've talked

01:29:28.880 --> 01:29:34.240
 at our employee forum about recycling and what is and what isn't. And we talked about this,

01:29:34.240 --> 01:29:38.160
 so everybody knows. And we just got a question yesterday. She was like, "Can you put it somewhere

01:29:38.160 --> 01:29:43.680
 so I can find it? Because I'm confused." And so we really want to tailor that message to the

01:29:43.680 --> 01:29:48.400
 city of Denton building specific. So what are you recycling here? Because what you recycle at your

01:29:48.400 --> 01:29:53.520
 home is not necessarily what you recycle at work. And so Julissa is going to be building us some

01:29:53.520 --> 01:29:58.160
 posters. She already worked on it, but trying to put a targeted message, you know, binders and

01:29:58.160 --> 01:30:02.800
 obviously paper and styrofoam and stuff like that, that you would see in the building at work and not

01:30:02.800 --> 01:30:08.000
 at your home. So that's really great. I'm glad to hear it. And so do you guys also directly

01:30:08.000 --> 01:30:15.040
 talk with parks about park contamination? I know one of the things that we were able to do at

01:30:15.040 --> 01:30:22.320
 Avondale was get the tops. And I just look inside and it works so well. You have the top on it

01:30:22.320 --> 01:30:26.640
 and people are just throwing water bottles and gatorade bottles in this one and then, you know,

01:30:26.640 --> 01:30:32.560
 dog poop in the other one. So I mean, I know that's just one park that has that. So I mean,

01:30:32.560 --> 01:30:37.200
 and that's a parks thing and we're not posted for that. But as far as like cross departmental

01:30:37.200 --> 01:30:42.320
 communication or are y'all doing that? Yes. And so we have been working with them on doing some

01:30:42.320 --> 01:30:46.800
 audits at a couple of parks as well. And we've done in your ride, I mean, some of them with the

01:30:46.800 --> 01:30:52.160
 restricted lid, the restricted lid works, whether it's a dumpster or it's a park container, it does

01:30:52.160 --> 01:30:55.920
 work because it prevents them from putting other things or makes them think twice at least about

01:30:55.920 --> 01:31:00.640
 what goes in there. So we have, we have had conversation with them and we will continue

01:31:00.640 --> 01:31:05.680
 cats working with the educational and signage pieces with them as well. That's great. I mean,

01:31:05.680 --> 01:31:11.200
 we all know that recycling isn't the answer, but it is plays a big role. I mean, it's a part of it.

01:31:11.200 --> 01:31:17.200
 So thank you so much for all you're doing. Thank you. Appreciate it. Yeah, I have one suggestion.

01:31:17.200 --> 01:31:28.160
 So with the the recycle star, I know people like stickers and to put stickers on their waste bins.

01:31:28.160 --> 01:31:33.760
 I think with the star, there was a sticker, people would just stick it right on their waste bin. So

01:31:33.760 --> 01:31:38.960
 it wouldn't be something I earned, I take in my house, but it's something I show to my neighbors.

01:31:38.960 --> 01:31:43.920
 I love it. Oh, and you can just keep getting more stickers. Yeah. It's like your flag. Yeah,

01:31:43.920 --> 01:31:48.560
 you're like a double star, a triple star, right? You get that like neighborhood credit.

01:31:48.560 --> 01:31:56.320
 Yeah, no, that's a great idea. That's a good idea. I like it. I'd sport it. We could do stickers all

01:31:56.320 --> 01:32:05.200
 day. All right. Well, thank you very much. Thank you. All right. Well, we will move on to our next

01:32:05.200 --> 01:32:06.800
 stock report.

01:32:06.800 --> 01:32:16.480
 Is that you, Catherine? That will be me. I'm trying to change over to that. So we,

01:32:16.480 --> 01:32:25.200
 the Climate Action Plan, RFP, is live on the street now. We're very excited about that. I

01:32:25.200 --> 01:32:31.600
 would like to share the calendar with you that procurement shared with us. So you can kind of

01:32:31.600 --> 01:32:38.800
 see where the next milestones are. We may be able to save a little bit of time, depending on where

01:32:38.800 --> 01:32:45.840
 we are with receiving proposals, evaluation time, but you know, we're looking at that

01:32:47.600 --> 01:32:56.160
 July, August time very quickly. Okay, that's good. We will keep you posted as we go through this.

01:32:56.160 --> 01:33:03.360
 Okay. And then the metrics. All right. Wait, I have a question. Oh, you have a question about

01:33:03.360 --> 01:33:09.120
 that? Yeah. Oh, okay. Just because I don't know what comes first, is this, this is a process you

01:33:09.120 --> 01:33:15.440
 go through and you get like a bid and you take it to council and say this is what it would

01:33:16.240 --> 01:33:22.080
 cost. Is that, or has this been already approved? So it goes through a solicitation process.

01:33:22.080 --> 01:33:27.040
 It's a request for proposals. So we come in with a price component

01:33:27.040 --> 01:33:30.960
 and then it'll be evaluated. The proposals will all be evaluated.

01:33:30.960 --> 01:33:39.200
 And they'll go to council and then it'll go to council for approval. Thanks.

01:33:39.200 --> 01:33:45.920
 And then on the matrix, did you guys have any questions or comments?

01:33:46.480 --> 01:34:07.200
 On the current matrix? Nope. Everybody okay with that?

01:34:07.200 --> 01:34:15.920
 It's a solid waste discussion on there that when Brian was here, we just got to come back

01:34:15.920 --> 01:34:24.480
 more about the renewable gas plan. It is still on the matrix. Yes, sir. It's still there.

01:34:24.480 --> 01:34:29.440
 I couldn't remember.

01:34:29.440 --> 01:34:42.960
 Where is it? Last row. Oh, there's two pages. Okay. That's it. I was like, okay. Yeah.

01:34:44.880 --> 01:34:49.520
 And then there's some that will go off after today. So all right.

01:34:49.520 --> 01:34:57.440
 We're ready to move on to concluding items. Anybody have anything you want to add?

01:34:57.440 --> 01:35:07.520
 Marce? Brian? Given we couldn't fully discuss it at today's presentation over the gas inspection,

01:35:07.520 --> 01:35:12.800
 I was wondering if we could touch on what our policies and procedures are post-production

01:35:12.800 --> 01:35:21.040
 for our pad sites and wellheads. So particularly looking at when a pad and adjacent to the paddus

01:35:21.040 --> 01:35:26.720
 is redeveloping or going into a different type of use, what governance authority we have over it,

01:35:26.720 --> 01:35:33.120
 what policies we're allowed to enact or oversee for those sites, and maybe just a sample of what

01:35:33.120 --> 01:35:42.160
 current conditions for examples of what happens today with those sites. Yeah. Did you get that?

01:35:42.160 --> 01:35:47.040
 Just kind of a continuation of something we couldn't go into today. Is that what's going

01:35:47.040 --> 01:35:51.360
 to be discussed at the next month's meeting that you all talked about with this post-production?

01:35:51.360 --> 01:35:58.640
 Well, we also, he also discussed that there's a memo coming on abandoned wells or flood wells.

01:35:58.640 --> 01:36:01.200
 And so maybe we can just incorporate those two together.

01:36:08.560 --> 01:36:13.120
 We can incorporate it together in the future. The new part will take longer to pull together

01:36:13.120 --> 01:36:16.640
 than the plug-in event. So since the plug-in event was a question that came up in the past,

01:36:16.640 --> 01:36:21.120
 we're trying to get that addressed by today. So it'll come back for us a memo.

01:36:21.120 --> 01:36:26.560
 So can we receive that in a future agenda, just the memo and then a future presentation

01:36:26.560 --> 01:36:30.560
 over the post-production phase? We'll do our best for the next meeting.

01:36:30.560 --> 01:36:34.160
 Timelines, whatever, of course. Correct. Thank you.

01:36:36.480 --> 01:36:43.360
 Adam? I just, I'm curious. I don't want to make that even more complex than it is.

01:36:43.360 --> 01:36:49.600
 So I find that that, but because we're under, what are we doing?

01:36:49.600 --> 01:36:56.560
 Including items, we're just suggesting if you have something specific and concise on a presentation.

01:36:56.560 --> 01:37:00.480
 Oh, specifically concise. No, I have something vague and wandering.

01:37:07.280 --> 01:37:11.440
 I'm not going to be at the next meeting. I'm kind of bummed because I wanted to hear about

01:37:11.440 --> 01:37:15.920
 the abandoned wells because I noted the last meeting I was on a field trip with students

01:37:15.920 --> 01:37:21.840
 and I noticed that several, well I know one down the road from my house has been capped and the

01:37:21.840 --> 01:37:27.680
 road now goes over it and the new development that's going in south of UNT over there.

01:37:27.680 --> 01:37:33.360
 And then the vintage wells are, both of those look like they've been abandoned and one looks like it's

01:37:33.360 --> 01:37:40.720
 been plugged. Two really controversial wells. So I'm anxious to hear what the update that is,

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 but I'm not going to be here. Okay, well I think that will be in a staff report and that can come

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 to us so you'll just be able to read that and then whatever presentation we have, questions you have,

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 you can ask them in that presentation. Is that good? Yeah. All right, well thank you very much.

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 I appreciate everybody's time today. Are we good down here? Everybody, okay. All right, thank you.

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 Recycle ride. We are concluding the meeting. Yes, we are concluding at 2 38.