WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:08.780 Good morning, and welcome to this meeting of the Mobility Committee of the City of Denton, 00:00:08.780 --> 00:00:09.780 Texas. 00:00:09.780 --> 00:00:14.040 We have a quorum present, and we will proceed, but I want to check in. 00:00:14.040 --> 00:00:23.760 I know we have some availability of presenters that may vary today due to traffic issues 00:00:23.760 --> 00:00:28.600 and so on, so I just want to check in before we call items as far as what sequence we're 00:00:28.600 --> 00:00:30.040 going to need to go in. 00:00:30.040 --> 00:00:32.040 I think we're great with the sequence we have. 00:00:32.040 --> 00:00:33.040 Everyone's made it. 00:00:33.040 --> 00:00:34.040 Oh, awesome. 00:00:34.040 --> 00:00:35.040 Terrific. 00:00:35.040 --> 00:00:36.040 Thank you. 00:00:36.040 --> 00:00:37.040 All right. 00:00:37.040 --> 00:00:38.840 So we'll take up item A, consider approval of the minutes of March 23rd. 00:00:38.840 --> 00:00:41.560 I'll entertain a motion. 00:00:41.560 --> 00:00:42.560 I move approval. 00:00:42.560 --> 00:00:44.680 Do we have a second? 00:00:44.680 --> 00:00:45.680 I second. 00:00:45.680 --> 00:00:46.680 All in favor, aye. 00:00:46.680 --> 00:00:47.680 Aye. 00:00:47.680 --> 00:00:48.680 Aye. 00:00:48.680 --> 00:00:49.680 Minutes are approved. 00:00:49.680 --> 00:00:53.640 Item B, receive a report and hold a discussion regarding the City of Denton transportation 00:00:53.640 --> 00:01:00.400 / Mobility Project status report. 00:01:00.400 --> 00:01:04.400 You did make it through the back streets. 00:01:04.400 --> 00:01:07.520 You know where they all are. 00:01:07.520 --> 00:01:14.960 It's good to have a map in your truck. 00:01:14.960 --> 00:01:28.040 Okay, today John Polster with Innovative Transportation Solutions will be talking about various projects 00:01:28.040 --> 00:01:34.360 throughout the city that works out to about a little over $2 billion once the projects 00:01:34.360 --> 00:01:37.360 are fully operational. 00:01:37.360 --> 00:01:40.880 Our first project is the 2181 North/South project. 00:01:40.880 --> 00:01:46.840 This project is still on track for completion in the October time frame. 00:01:46.840 --> 00:01:52.280 The construction report basically outlines that they are working on the southbound lanes, 00:01:52.280 --> 00:01:57.920 finalizing all of the pavement, doing some of the cleanup on the -- some of the drainage 00:01:57.920 --> 00:01:59.480 on the north side. 00:01:59.480 --> 00:02:07.840 And we've hit a couple of utilities, but each time we do, the utility providers are fairly 00:02:07.840 --> 00:02:14.360 quick to respond to Atmos Gas has been the primary culprit out there. 00:02:14.360 --> 00:02:21.640 But we've seemed to be able to resolve them on that same day and keep the project moving. 00:02:21.640 --> 00:02:29.340 But this project that started like 13 years ago should be done by October of this year. 00:02:29.340 --> 00:02:35.080 If you remember, this is a project that originally started out with MCM contractors and they 00:02:35.080 --> 00:02:38.280 defaulted and we had to go to a new contractor. 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:43.200 Okay, 35E Mayhill, a couple of things. 00:02:43.200 --> 00:02:47.260 We will have the right-of-way completed this month. 00:02:47.260 --> 00:02:53.080 We are working on the 95% plan set, have some utility issues we're going to be addressing, 00:02:53.080 --> 00:03:03.560 but one of the things that we're going to explore is the movement from 2499 coming up 00:03:03.560 --> 00:03:09.040 from the south to get on to the freeway going north. 00:03:09.040 --> 00:03:15.880 In the interim solution where we have the bypass over Brinker, that just simply gets 00:03:15.880 --> 00:03:19.280 you to the 288 exit. 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:22.840 So we're going to be looking to see if there's a way to tweak the plan so that if the traffic 00:03:22.840 --> 00:03:30.280 coming up 2499 wants to go north to get on to the freeway, can do it prior to having 00:03:30.280 --> 00:03:32.520 to stop at 288. 00:03:32.520 --> 00:03:38.360 The issue we have to go back and look at is that ultimately, this section of 35 has four 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:44.040 managed lanes that will be built in the ultimate, so it will be, you all have none from the 00:03:44.040 --> 00:03:50.760 lake north, from the lake south that's reversible, ultimately there will be four total till about 00:03:50.760 --> 00:03:54.120 North Texas Boulevard that it drops down to one. 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:59.360 So we've got to look at where we can bring in the 2499 traffic in the interim that doesn't 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:04.280 impact us when we build the managed lanes in the future. 00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:09.040 But it is a movement that's not currently being served in this project and we're going 00:04:09.040 --> 00:04:11.080 to see if there's a way to fix that. 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:13.760 Can I ask a question? 00:04:13.760 --> 00:04:14.760 Absolutely. 00:04:14.760 --> 00:04:17.280 Yeah, Councilmember Burke. 00:04:17.280 --> 00:04:22.440 For the sake of educational perspective, what does managed lanes mean? 00:04:22.440 --> 00:04:23.920 Okay, thank you. 00:04:23.920 --> 00:04:32.440 So the lanes that are on 35E, LBJ and North Town Express have lanes in the center that 00:04:32.440 --> 00:04:39.280 you pay a toll during parts of the day and the managed term is A, it has a toll on it 00:04:39.280 --> 00:04:45.700 and B, it fluctuates, the toll rate fluctuates as the congestion on the general purpose lanes 00:04:45.700 --> 00:04:46.700 go up. 00:04:46.700 --> 00:04:50.320 So when there's a lot of traffic, they charge you more. 00:04:50.320 --> 00:04:53.920 If there's not a lot of traffic, they charge you less. 00:04:53.920 --> 00:05:00.080 So they manage the capacity of those managed lanes by making it more expensive to ride 00:05:00.080 --> 00:05:02.680 on during congestion time frame. 00:05:02.680 --> 00:05:06.040 So it's like congestion pricing. 00:05:06.040 --> 00:05:12.680 So in other words, what I'm hearing, I know what you're saying, but what I'm hearing is 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:16.360 that we're going to have a toll that's going to run up through the day. 00:05:16.360 --> 00:05:21.040 From all the way around through to 380 and then ultimately from 380 all the way down 00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:24.520 35W to Tarrant County. 00:05:24.520 --> 00:05:29.840 So that's the toll managed system for the North Texas area includes those two legs of 00:05:29.840 --> 00:05:30.840 35. 00:05:30.840 --> 00:05:31.840 Thank you. 00:05:31.840 --> 00:05:36.400 And just to piggyback on that, so when you say four lanes, two in each direction? 00:05:36.400 --> 00:05:37.400 Correct. 00:05:37.400 --> 00:05:42.400 Because right now we have reversible because when we did the interim job on 35, we had 00:05:42.400 --> 00:05:48.360 about $1.2 billion to do the work and if we bought all the right of way to do the ultimate, 00:05:48.360 --> 00:05:51.840 that would cost us about a billion dollars and then we wouldn't be able to build anything. 00:05:51.840 --> 00:05:59.760 So we crammed four lanes south of the lake and reversibles and then three lanes north 00:05:59.760 --> 00:06:02.960 of the lake and essentially existing right of way. 00:06:02.960 --> 00:06:09.960 Do you have an opinion on whether the primary motivation for that is traffic management 00:06:09.960 --> 00:06:10.960 and mobility? 00:06:10.960 --> 00:06:15.920 It absolutely is traffic management and we've got, because we get that question a lot, is 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:18.960 it a revenue generator or is it a management system? 00:06:18.960 --> 00:06:24.080 And we've done a lot of studies, we can show you on both 35LBJ and North Tarrant Express 00:06:24.080 --> 00:06:30.760 that even those travelers who never get on the managed lanes benefit in the peak periods 00:06:30.760 --> 00:06:36.680 and we've got before the managed lanes were there, your average AM peak travel time was 00:06:36.680 --> 00:06:38.720 like 30 miles an hour. 00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:44.600 Right now it's right at 50 and they didn't add any more general purpose lanes on 635 and 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:46.800 North Tarrant Express, they just put in the managed lanes. 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:52.560 So the managed lanes have increased the movement and mobility of the general purpose lanes 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:56.600 if you never ever get on the managed lanes. 00:06:56.600 --> 00:07:02.280 And it gives you an option if you absolutely, positively have to be on time, then you've 00:07:02.280 --> 00:07:05.840 got a managed lane facility that's there to accommodate. 00:07:05.840 --> 00:07:10.440 That's why they increase the cost because they don't want everybody getting on the managed 00:07:10.440 --> 00:07:11.440 lanes. 00:07:11.440 --> 00:07:16.680 Just to put that in perspective, if you ever go to Austin, right, the elevated section, 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:22.200 that's called a non-told managed lane facility and if you drive it, it looks just exactly 00:07:22.200 --> 00:07:33.160 as congested as the lanes below because there's no incentive not to be up there. 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:38.000 Lots of utilities on May Hill as well, but we're on track for that. 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:43.520 So the merge project is that's a project from where the 235s come together all the way up 00:07:43.520 --> 00:07:44.520 to 77. 00:07:44.520 --> 00:07:47.240 Again, the right-of-way will be done in April. 00:07:47.240 --> 00:07:53.000 We think we will have the plans done by May of next year and the utilities are the driver 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:54.000 on the let date. 00:07:54.000 --> 00:08:00.800 We have confidence that we'll hit that August 2023 and the project will let in September 00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:12.440 and it is fully funded at that $400-ish million price tag. 00:08:12.440 --> 00:08:20.120 So on this from the merge to 380, what you'll see, you may not notice this when you're driving 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:25.160 south on 35, but when you drive south on 35 at 407, you'll notice that the 407 bridge 00:08:25.160 --> 00:08:29.960 is significantly larger than what it needs to be right now because it's the ultimate 00:08:29.960 --> 00:08:33.880 width when the four managed lanes are going to be in place. 00:08:33.880 --> 00:08:40.340 So they're building 35 from the merge to 380 in its ultimate configuration. 00:08:40.340 --> 00:08:42.720 So it will have the room for the managed lanes. 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:47.520 They'll just simply have them barricaded off. 00:08:47.520 --> 00:08:54.920 Interim, I think we just wanted to keep that in here because we feel so good about how 00:08:54.920 --> 00:08:58.880 well it's working. 00:08:58.880 --> 00:09:03.100 That actually, they had some things they had to do at the very end of the project here 00:09:03.100 --> 00:09:09.560 at the intersection on the striping because right before, the two lanes could turn and 00:09:09.560 --> 00:09:16.120 right now it's the left U-turn, the straight left and then the line that used to turn left 00:09:16.120 --> 00:09:20.480 and go through is now just through and since there's three lanes on the other side, everybody's 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:22.960 still trying to make that three-way turn. 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:28.520 So we're putting signs further back to tell everybody that the right lane is for turning 00:09:28.520 --> 00:09:34.760 right or through and not turning left and we're trying to solve that. 00:09:34.760 --> 00:09:36.600 It is so much better than it was. 00:09:36.600 --> 00:09:37.600 Absolutely. 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:45.880 You really heard us and did it and I think it's great. 00:09:45.880 --> 00:09:49.040 Then your northern section, it has officially been broken down. 00:09:49.040 --> 00:09:52.280 It's actually three segments, although there are four. 00:09:52.280 --> 00:09:55.880 The purple segment will be built with 455. 00:09:55.880 --> 00:10:04.760 So we're building 455 from basically the high school east of 35 all the way out to 00:10:04.760 --> 00:10:10.680 Bolivar as a six-lane divided urban and we'll build the interchange with 455 because it'll 00:10:10.680 --> 00:10:16.920 get there before the 35 job starts, which is currently we're going to be ready to let 00:10:16.920 --> 00:10:18.600 in December next year. 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:26.720 We've got to work out the funding timing because it's $800 million and they're allocated 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:31.720 in those two fiscal years and if we can, we'll move it up. 00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:35.280 Lots of utilities on this one. 00:10:35.280 --> 00:10:43.360 35W frontage roads, so not really a lot to tell you other than the tech stock canceled 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:48.720 their negotiations with HNTB because they couldn't come to a dollar amount, they negotiated 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:49.720 with WSP. 00:10:49.720 --> 00:10:53.800 They have come to a dollar amount and now they're doing the executing of the paperwork, 00:10:53.800 --> 00:11:00.720 so probably by next month we'll be able to have a note in here saying the WSP is our 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:06.320 contract and we will have a stakeholders meeting with them fairly quickly because everything 00:11:06.320 --> 00:11:10.920 407 north is what they're going to be focused on and the city didn't have a lot of development 00:11:10.920 --> 00:11:16.320 along that corridor that needs to be kept in the loop, so hopefully next month we'll 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:19.440 be able to provide that information. 00:11:19.440 --> 00:11:25.200 380 US 377 section currently under construction. 00:11:25.200 --> 00:11:31.960 We're talking about being done next year, tech stock report, construction report. 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:37.060 Basically what we've asked the tech stock to do is as soon as they get that bridge abutment 00:11:37.060 --> 00:11:44.880 shoring done, and they get the center median up to let us know so we can get that information 00:11:44.880 --> 00:11:49.940 out to the public because that's the safety issue on that project is getting that center 00:11:49.940 --> 00:11:54.480 barrier up. 00:11:54.480 --> 00:12:02.240 And then we had a ribbon cutting for this section, no groundbreaking, always get those 00:12:02.240 --> 00:12:03.240 confused. 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:14.120 When we did 121, Commissioner Jacobs was a commissioner there and we got a big ribbon 00:12:14.120 --> 00:12:24.680 and we got an 18 wheeler and she drove it through, can't do that stuff anymore. 00:12:24.680 --> 00:12:35.480 So we're under construction, most of the work is your SW3P, you're pulling up some of the 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:41.040 old pavement on the south side because they're going to be doing all the, they moved everything 00:12:41.040 --> 00:12:44.800 to the north and they're going to do all the work on the south side and then flip the traffic 00:12:44.800 --> 00:12:46.360 to the other side. 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:56.040 But again, it's got a May at 25 time frame, there is a ton of utilities that we had to 00:12:56.040 --> 00:13:01.280 deal with on a daily basis that aren't where they said they'd be. 00:13:01.280 --> 00:13:03.800 Feasibility studies done. 00:13:03.800 --> 00:13:10.480 They're recommending that the widening of 380 occur on 380 and that loop 288 and that 00:13:10.480 --> 00:13:15.920 brown section be turned into a freeway section by adding frontage roads. 00:13:15.920 --> 00:13:22.000 So excuse me, I'm sure you've covered this, you must have, you know, in many meetings 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:26.400 in the past and it didn't occur to me today how much I have not actually mentally processed 00:13:26.400 --> 00:13:27.400 this. 00:13:27.400 --> 00:13:31.360 Why are we doing a feasibility study when we've already got the two segments that are 00:13:31.360 --> 00:13:32.360 kind of on the track? 00:13:32.360 --> 00:13:33.360 That's the interim. 00:13:33.360 --> 00:13:34.360 So what's the relationship? 00:13:34.360 --> 00:13:35.360 That's the interim. 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:40.280 So what happened was is we, about six years ago, kept telling everybody seven years ago 00:13:40.280 --> 00:13:45.840 that 380 needs to be a freeway and we actually ended up, Collin County was studying there 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:51.420 years before they got everybody mad at them, they decided they weren't going to do a freeway 00:13:51.420 --> 00:13:57.880 and so we took our money back and said we're going to study it to do a freeway and what 00:13:57.880 --> 00:14:01.880 we found out is is we don't have time because Cog at the time was saying no, it doesn't 00:14:01.880 --> 00:14:04.640 need to be a freeway to convince everybody. 00:14:04.640 --> 00:14:07.040 So what we decided to do was an interim job. 00:14:07.040 --> 00:14:13.800 So what we're building right now is a super street, six lanes in each direction and great 00:14:13.800 --> 00:14:21.840 separations at the five major cross sections, all of which is a throwaway, right? 00:14:21.840 --> 00:14:29.440 So if we do a freeway, all that gets torn out and we have a 400 to 500 foot footprint 00:14:29.440 --> 00:14:33.800 that essentially destroys everything along that corridor and then we come back in with 00:14:33.800 --> 00:14:34.800 a freeway. 00:14:34.800 --> 00:14:39.600 And the two entities that are most impacted are Little Elm and Crossroads because that's 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:44.640 where the Wal-Mart is and the Prairie House and all that stuff, all that stuff is, it's 00:14:44.640 --> 00:14:49.520 a historical marker, it just doesn't know it yet. 00:14:49.520 --> 00:14:54.360 So the feasibility was, okay, we know we're doing the interim and that's just going to 00:14:54.360 --> 00:14:58.240 stopgap us for 10, 12 years, what's next? 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:04.000 The next is do we leave 380 alone and build another road somewhere else, i.e. the outer 00:15:04.000 --> 00:15:10.120 loop or some interim arterials, which we were calling the integrated corridor at some point. 00:15:10.120 --> 00:15:15.920 And the decision was made is you need both the outer loop and 380 because the traffic 00:15:15.920 --> 00:15:18.520 on 380 is never going to leave 380. 00:15:18.520 --> 00:15:20.320 That's where they're going to be. 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:26.960 So we've made the call from the county and we've talked to the cities along the corridor 00:15:26.960 --> 00:15:33.320 and so what counties offer to Crossroads and Little Elm is those areas where they are economically 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:37.000 impacted because all that commercial property goes away. 00:15:37.000 --> 00:15:42.240 If they can find areas in their communities elsewhere that are viable commercial entities 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:46.120 and they're lacking infrastructure, then the county will use their bond program to build 00:15:46.120 --> 00:15:52.400 the infrastructure in those areas so they won't oppose us like McKinney and Prosper 00:15:52.400 --> 00:15:55.160 are opposed in a freeway in Collin County. 00:15:55.160 --> 00:16:02.880 So the county just buys loyalty whenever they can and that's what we're going to do. 00:16:02.880 --> 00:16:07.520 So this is a freeway feasibility, not the interim project they're building now. 00:16:07.520 --> 00:16:14.440 This is probably more of a comment than a question. 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:20.800 I learned, I believe yesterday, that Jerry Jones has purchased a significant amount of 00:16:20.800 --> 00:16:29.000 land that's north of Sanger and I can just imagine kind of where that Walmart distribution 00:16:29.000 --> 00:16:35.880 center is and so I could just, I'm just seeing the growth in my head that that's going to 00:16:35.880 --> 00:16:42.040 be something significant for us to consider when we're talking about moving a major roadway 00:16:42.040 --> 00:16:51.840 north, keeping 380 as 380 for what it's going to be in 10 to 12 years, but also having to 00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:55.120 deal with anything that's north of here. 00:16:55.120 --> 00:17:01.840 So I can't remember if we have the outer loop on this list, but we'll figure it out in a 00:17:01.840 --> 00:17:02.840 minute when I get to the end. 00:17:02.840 --> 00:17:07.440 Denton County has hired LJA, same time they hired Pacheco Cope to do the brown section 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:12.680 for the loop 28 main lanes, frontage roads I mean, to do the outer loop from the Collin 00:17:12.680 --> 00:17:20.000 County line to Milam, which is where the city of Denton has it on their thoroughfare plan. 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:25.600 There are three points we have to hit, where Collin County hits our county line with their 00:17:25.600 --> 00:17:30.160 alignment because they're already building it, the 428 crossing of the greenbelt because 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:33.960 it's the only place the Corps will allow us to cross the greenbelt and then Milam Road 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:39.920 because that 35 job I just showed you that we're building, it builds the box for the 00:17:39.920 --> 00:17:43.400 outer loop direct connects with that project. 00:17:43.400 --> 00:17:47.760 So those are three points you've got to hit. 00:17:47.760 --> 00:17:54.280 My daddy says if you're moving your hands, you're preaching, so I've got to stop doing 00:17:54.280 --> 00:17:55.280 that. 00:17:55.280 --> 00:17:56.280 That's okay. 00:17:56.280 --> 00:17:57.400 Not the preaching part. 00:17:57.400 --> 00:18:02.840 So the outer loop, we've got LJA on contract and we'll start that next month and we'll 00:18:02.840 --> 00:18:10.120 have stakeholder meetings because there's a lot of residents out there, 30 or 40, that 00:18:10.120 --> 00:18:14.680 have big land swaths and they want to keep it rural. 00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:22.480 But we will open the DNT 4B is what it's called from 428 all the way to the Grayson County 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:23.480 line. 00:18:23.480 --> 00:18:29.400 Collin County is building the northbound frontage road in their county and so the toll road 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:34.720 will go from wherever it starts in the south all the way to Grayson County and there were 00:18:34.720 --> 00:18:40.560 only eight property owners along that corridor and they're all huge developers and they're 00:18:40.560 --> 00:18:48.920 fixing to blow and go and what the feasibility said is between the county line and pilot 00:18:48.920 --> 00:18:54.680 point, I mean 377, 380 and the outer loop on the north, in the next ten years we're 00:18:54.680 --> 00:18:58.240 going to be putting 90,000 people in that little box. 00:18:58.240 --> 00:19:00.320 So the infrastructure is needed. 00:19:00.320 --> 00:19:07.160 We're doing 1385, 2931, we're doing the design on those right now from the county standpoint. 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:11.500 Lots going on in this area. 00:19:11.500 --> 00:19:16.920 Speaking of the loop, this is the western section, this is Chain Patel, we continue 00:19:16.920 --> 00:19:22.680 to just work through the design issues, there's a lot going on out there and again we've got 00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:29.000 a long lead, the design's not the critical path item, the long lead is the right of way 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:34.080 acquisition and the utility relocations because of all of the gas wells and the transmission 00:19:34.080 --> 00:19:40.160 lines that we have to address going through that corridor so if we get those done sooner, 00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:49.680 we can let the project sooner and then FM 1515 is the project that LTRA is doing, it 00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:57.640 widens to six lanes, we've got the re-eval completed and we are moving forward with the 00:19:57.640 --> 00:20:01.720 design and the same with 1173. 00:20:01.720 --> 00:20:07.840 We're trying to hit a, which is going to be kind of hard, July/August time frame for what's 00:20:07.840 --> 00:20:13.320 called plans adequate for this project and literally we've just got half the associates 00:20:13.320 --> 00:20:18.680 on contract like yesterday so they've got a lot of work to do to get those 60% plans 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:23.500 but the reason we want to hit 60% plans this summer is because Textile wants to go ahead 00:20:23.500 --> 00:20:28.120 and start acquiring the utilities and moving the utilities because they're going to try 00:20:28.120 --> 00:20:36.560 to do 1173 and I know it's going to sound funny but that 47 million is spilt concrete 00:20:36.560 --> 00:20:41.000 for that billion-dollar job that we're going to do on 35 so we want to try to get 1173 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:48.680 done consistent with timing of 35, that's why they have to hit that deadline. 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:55.240 And then we get to where I know nothing. 00:20:55.240 --> 00:20:58.520 You know more than you want to say, no I'm kidding. 00:20:58.520 --> 00:21:03.760 We're having follow-up meetings, we've had several with Textile, we are continuing the 00:21:03.760 --> 00:21:10.880 coordination with this section, I'm working on what are the next steps so I anticipate 00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:16.120 we've had multiple meetings, we've received a set of preliminary plans, the city is working 00:21:16.120 --> 00:21:21.560 through the next steps and I anticipate between John, myself and Travis Campbell and then 00:21:21.560 --> 00:21:25.160 our streets department that we will be having an update. 00:21:25.160 --> 00:21:30.560 My hopes are by next month so the district engineer for Textile is coming tomorrow to 00:21:30.560 --> 00:21:36.640 visit, this is one of the locations he's coming to visit so we're working to have that conversation 00:21:36.640 --> 00:21:43.760 prior to his arrival tomorrow so just wanting, we're continuing to work through the process 00:21:43.760 --> 00:21:50.440 to make sure that we're getting the final pavement repair in this area and then also 00:21:50.440 --> 00:21:55.400 looking at of course the project that would be, that needs to be constructed to the north 00:21:55.400 --> 00:21:56.400 of this area. 00:21:56.400 --> 00:22:05.080 Yeah Moe Burr is a district engineer, I think that once he sees the road that he will spur, 00:22:05.080 --> 00:22:11.440 motivate and encourage his staff to get things done on it. 00:22:11.440 --> 00:22:20.600 As I recall last meeting the sort of big topic was agreeing to what standards or kind of 00:22:20.600 --> 00:22:27.640 what spec the roads would be finished to, has any of that sort of been ticked off at 00:22:27.640 --> 00:22:32.360 this point or are you closer to agreement on those points? 00:22:32.360 --> 00:22:38.800 We are working through that, they understand our concern, the situation of which we're 00:22:38.800 --> 00:22:45.360 in is trying to, the standard that Textile would use for this typical type of maintenance 00:22:45.360 --> 00:22:51.120 repair is different than the standard of which the city would be comfortable with and so 00:22:51.120 --> 00:22:58.080 they are entertaining the depth of pavement repair that we feel like is necessary in this 00:22:58.080 --> 00:23:03.360 area and those are the conversations that we're having because before we agree to take 00:23:03.360 --> 00:23:09.000 over this roadway I want to feel confident that we're getting the depth of pavement repair 00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:10.000 we anticipated. 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:16.800 They are absolutely open to those conversations and that's the purpose of the collaboration 00:23:16.800 --> 00:23:20.920 that we're continuing and then before Mr. Burr gets here that's why we've been working 00:23:20.920 --> 00:23:25.560 to have that conversation just so we understand that we're all on the same page. 00:23:25.560 --> 00:23:32.160 I would say that yes they are much more comfortable and open to, I mean we're talking about a 00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:37.480 difference between two inches and six inches of asphalt pavement repair and so what they 00:23:37.480 --> 00:23:43.000 originally proposed is unacceptable but they are open to the conversation. 00:23:43.000 --> 00:23:49.080 And our fallback is that they really can't force us to take it back, right, so if they 00:23:49.080 --> 00:23:52.600 build it to something other than what we're comfortable with we just simply don't take 00:23:52.600 --> 00:23:53.600 it. 00:23:53.600 --> 00:23:57.520 Yeah, so we have some leverage. 00:23:57.520 --> 00:24:03.000 I want to have a realistic expectation and you know my experience now being on council 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:07.960 my fourth year you know it's seeing like how long things actually take like Hickory Street 00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:13.080 like thank goodness, right, where it's supposed to be done done done this month is that still 00:24:13.080 --> 00:24:14.080 a fair expectation? 00:24:14.080 --> 00:24:15.080 Yes, sir. 00:24:15.080 --> 00:24:16.080 It's still there. 00:24:16.080 --> 00:24:17.080 It's still the plan. 00:24:17.080 --> 00:24:19.560 Yeah, but you know it's taken a long time. 00:24:19.560 --> 00:24:24.560 I think it's been it's taken all the time I've been on council for it to be done. 00:24:24.560 --> 00:24:28.160 So what is a realistic expectation once you get agreement like we're kind of talking about 00:24:28.160 --> 00:24:36.080 how do we get to starting but you know is it four years? 00:24:36.080 --> 00:24:41.200 No if we get it if we get to an agreement soon and by like I'm saying in the next couple 00:24:41.200 --> 00:24:45.760 of months or so or a month or so we're in the pavement season and so they'll do a maintenance 00:24:45.760 --> 00:24:51.000 contract that's the intent and they'll have a maintenance contract and then go and get 00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:57.880 somebody on on contract fairly quickly they'll have a contingency right because when you 00:24:57.880 --> 00:25:01.840 take off the top layer they might find more problems than they thought so they always 00:25:01.840 --> 00:25:05.960 add a contingency to it so we're gonna agree on a percentage then there's gonna be a contingency 00:25:05.960 --> 00:25:11.160 on top of that and so that's what we're gonna solve in the next couple of days but if we 00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:17.320 get it solved we're in the paving season or beginning and I'm saying we're gonna get it 00:25:17.320 --> 00:25:24.760 done this year and we'll stick to it yeah okay we may not resolve the turn back issue 00:25:24.760 --> 00:25:32.320 but we can but it'll be drivable without hazard to people's cars if y'all know Moe Burr he's 00:25:32.320 --> 00:25:40.360 got kind of a temper and I think when he sees that road he's gonna not be happy yeah good 00:25:40.360 --> 00:25:45.440 I'm not happy when I see that road either and I just want to mention also it's not just 00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:49.680 those sections of Elm and Locust it's also that section of Eagle Drive between Locust 00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:55.240 and Elm and you know with the turn back conversations that we're currently having we're not looking 00:25:55.240 --> 00:26:02.080 at taking Eagle over because that will be the only connection between Dallas Drive and 00:26:02.080 --> 00:26:10.120 377 so the anticipation also is you know how do we facilitate that turn back where it includes 00:26:10.120 --> 00:26:15.000 all of the sections all the way up to 380 with knowing that there's additional improvement 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:18.560 measures that need to be made from a water wastewater and drainage perspective on that 00:26:18.560 --> 00:26:24.200 northern section so yeah we've done quite a bit of research and had multiple conversations 00:26:24.200 --> 00:26:29.960 and I will tell you textile is just as interested as the city is making this solution I just 00:26:29.960 --> 00:26:34.440 want to feel like that we're comfortable with the solution that we move forward with we 00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:42.920 don't want a solution that's going to need to be redone 10 years from now five okay so 00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:47.920 I'm at glossary do you all want me to include the outer loop because we have that report 00:26:47.920 --> 00:26:53.080 we can just throw in there because it does impact y'all yeah definitely and I think that 00:26:53.080 --> 00:26:57.280 probably be a good idea especially because we're gonna we're starting to see developments 00:26:57.280 --> 00:27:01.720 along the corridor there'll be some projects that come to council in the next the next 00:27:01.720 --> 00:27:06.440 council meeting in that area with the Milam Road and the 35 so I think that'd be fine 00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:10.840 John to include it and the reason we're doing a full-on environmental on it is because that's 00:27:10.840 --> 00:27:14.700 the only way legally to protect the corridor and I know it's gonna be a rough three years 00:27:14.700 --> 00:27:19.880 and you know probably it's gonna be an issue in the county's bond package because the Senator 00:27:19.880 --> 00:27:25.960 Springer and Representative Patterson had a public meeting town hall last night about 00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:30.440 it and they had about 40 people show up and they were all opposed to it which is not unusual 00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:37.080 I mean I've been in a public hearing for 2499 section 4 where there were 1,300 people there 00:27:37.080 --> 00:27:42.800 and they were all wearing red shirts saying stop 2499 so it's not an insurmountable issue 00:27:42.800 --> 00:27:46.640 it's just we have to go through the process and the only way to do it and be able to protect 00:27:46.640 --> 00:27:52.400 the corridor is an environmental clearance so the county is going to do the heavy lifting 00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:59.640 and it'll make it protectable for all communities along the corridor when you say protect the 00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:06.760 corridor what do you so right now if you have a property owner who wants to develop and 00:28:06.760 --> 00:28:11.240 you can't stop him because it's zone for that and he does all the right things and he wants 00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:16.040 to put it happens to be right over the alignment we can't stop him we'd have to move the road 00:28:16.040 --> 00:28:21.160 because he has property rights but once it's environmentally cleared and the feds say that's 00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:31.280 the alignment they can no longer plat anything do anything to that that part of it they they 00:28:31.280 --> 00:28:36.880 still can sell it right to the state or whoever but they can't develop it this is a good example 00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:40.600 of hearing what you want to hear when you said doing the environmental study to protect 00:28:40.600 --> 00:28:44.920 the corridor I thought you meant to protect the environment along the corridor yeah but 00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:50.520 now you mean to protect the route yes okay we understand the environment the environmental 00:28:50.520 --> 00:28:55.280 process is wrought with words that don't mean what they mean because when you go to a public 00:28:55.280 --> 00:28:59.200 hearing they're you they're not there to hear you you're going to say what you're going 00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:03.120 to say and they're going to do what they want to do because it's done by then but if it's 00:29:03.120 --> 00:29:06.620 a public meeting when you're just meeting they're going to hear what you say and make 00:29:06.620 --> 00:29:14.320 changes to it that's super helpful yeah it's interesting I count on the ambiguity yeah 00:29:14.320 --> 00:29:27.020 okay great thank you any other questions I have number bird that close I want to go back 00:29:27.020 --> 00:29:36.360 and talk about I 35 at the 380 and this is going to be for the south entrance getting 00:29:36.360 --> 00:29:46.120 on to 35 from three from 380 okay and I've noticed or I don't know it's it's nagging 00:29:46.120 --> 00:29:55.840 at me that there have been some collisions at that entrance as a matter of fact we had 00:29:55.840 --> 00:30:03.280 a police officer that got hit by a car and so is that would you all take a look at that 00:30:03.280 --> 00:30:07.960 and look at some data and I agree with you because I come from didn't Decatur I mean 00:30:07.960 --> 00:30:12.080 I come from the Decatur area all the time yeah and when you make that on ramp yeah cuz 00:30:12.080 --> 00:30:18.720 I'm trying to go 35 a which means I'm cutting across in about 500 feet three lanes of traffic 00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:27.760 right so the traffic coming from the south is doing 70 miles an hour and it's it is harrowing 00:30:27.760 --> 00:30:32.720 the traffic coming from the north yeah I'm assuming you're saying that you're going southbound 00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:37.840 yeah coming from the north and you're trying to get on to the yeah either 35 w 35 a right 00:30:37.840 --> 00:30:42.440 yeah it's it's something kind of going on in that area I don't know I don't just think 00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:47.480 there's a lot of people a little bit of area but we'll look at it take a look at that even 00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:53.180 with my own experience trying to get on there you got somebody that's going awfully slow 00:30:53.180 --> 00:30:57.480 because they don't know whether or not to stay in the left in the right lane and then 00:30:57.480 --> 00:31:01.720 by the time you make a decision to get over in your left lane 18 wheeler that is just 00:31:01.720 --> 00:31:07.560 like a pickup truck yeah a pickup truck so I'd appreciate that if you add that to your 00:31:07.560 --> 00:31:21.760 list of things to take a look at okay thank you all right we will move on to item B receiver 00:31:21.760 --> 00:31:25.400 report and hold the discussion regarding updates from the Denton County Transportation Authority 00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:43.520 DCT a welcome back he stayed he stayed for two absolutely absolutely okay good morning 00:31:43.520 --> 00:31:49.320 well it's good to be back with you this morning I'm here to provide you an update from DCT 00:31:49.320 --> 00:31:54.680 a on the public involvement process that we have underway for our comprehensive operations 00:31:54.680 --> 00:32:00.080 analysis that includes a look at the future of our fixed route and on-demand service as 00:32:00.080 --> 00:32:05.840 well as the fare structure so the comprehensive operations analysis process is going to go 00:32:05.840 --> 00:32:10.500 through these four main steps that will allow us like you see at the headline there to create 00:32:10.500 --> 00:32:16.400 an integrated multimodal transportation system that is comprised of fixed route go zone and 00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:21.560 the a train so what we're doing right now is analyzing our connect ridership to understand 00:32:21.560 --> 00:32:27.000 highest times of demand across all the routes on the bus network we're looking at the go 00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:31.840 zone data that we've collected since the service launched in September to understand where 00:32:31.840 --> 00:32:37.120 riders are summoning rides and being picked up and then dropped off to understand travel 00:32:37.120 --> 00:32:44.800 patterns we're figuring out and understanding how our fare design can can impact rider behavior 00:32:44.800 --> 00:32:51.240 and where possible encourage the use of fixed routes and we're doing this while also holding 00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:56.680 a number of public meetings and other public forums to gain feedback from the people who 00:32:56.680 --> 00:33:02.160 use the service so that ultimately when the service decisions are made that the public 00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:16.200 has the opportunity to to weigh into those even better thank you. 00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:19.240 So when we talk about fare structures here are the different alternatives that we're 00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:23.320 looking at number one is an alternative that says a flat fare and that's basically what 00:33:23.320 --> 00:33:27.480 exists today 75 cents to ride go zone a dollar fifty to ride connect in the first half of 00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:33.380 the day and no matter how far you go you you pay one price a distance based fare is one 00:33:33.380 --> 00:33:40.580 in which you get onto a go zone vehicle primarily and there's a a fee for the amount of distance 00:33:40.580 --> 00:33:45.040 you cover while in the vehicle think most likely of a taxi cab or an uber service something 00:33:45.040 --> 00:33:50.120 like that and then a hybrid fare model is a combination of those two where there's a 00:33:50.120 --> 00:33:55.720 fixed fare for certain trips maybe within a certain mileage zone and then beyond that 00:33:55.720 --> 00:34:01.420 mileage zone then you would get to a place where the fare is variable based on mileage 00:34:01.420 --> 00:34:08.120 also in this structure is going to be conversation around what does a fare free option look like 00:34:08.120 --> 00:34:15.360 as has been requested by our board that we as we go through the process. 00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:19.520 So here's what our public involvement process looks like right now we're in the process 00:34:19.520 --> 00:34:24.160 like I said of reviewing services and fare models and in gaining general feedback we 00:34:24.160 --> 00:34:31.080 launched a microsite at DCTA feedback net earlier this week it went live on Monday and it's 00:34:31.080 --> 00:34:37.880 going to run through Tuesday May the 17th if people go to DCTA feedback net they can 00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:42.400 have a number of different options in order to provide comments they can fill out a survey 00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:47.760 about their ridership experience on DCTA they can go to an interactive map and put pins 00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:51.680 on the map and identify points of interest and things that are interested in relative 00:34:51.680 --> 00:34:57.400 to specific routes and locations in the service area there's an idea wall that allows people 00:34:57.400 --> 00:35:02.800 to post just like what it says their ideas and then there's a place for just general 00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:08.760 comments that runs right now like I said through May the 17th and then when that period is 00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:12.840 complete then our staff will take all of the feedback that's collected there plus in a 00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:16.980 number of the public forums that we have set up and we'll talk about those in a minute 00:35:16.980 --> 00:35:20.560 so that they can assimilate that information and share it with our board as our board makes 00:35:20.560 --> 00:35:27.000 the final decisions about the service as it will be offered in the future that's scheduled 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:35.680 right now for our June board meeting and then wanted to provide this for you and recognize 00:35:35.680 --> 00:35:39.320 the text is a little small on the screen so if you needed a handout and don't have it 00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:43.600 we'd be happy to provide it but this is a number of events that are upcoming for Denton 00:35:43.600 --> 00:35:50.720 residents you see they are a number of virtual town halls starting next week and then we'll 00:35:50.720 --> 00:35:56.080 have a table set up at the Denton community market on April the 30th a virtual town hall 00:35:56.080 --> 00:36:02.680 on May the 5th will be present at the Denton veterans coalition meeting in May with a presentation 00:36:02.680 --> 00:36:08.420 another virtual town hall on May the 10th an in-person public meeting on May the 11th 00:36:08.420 --> 00:36:13.040 will be at social service agencies on the 12th and then to be determined what we'll 00:36:13.040 --> 00:36:18.080 be doing for bike to work day and national trails day we have similar type of events 00:36:18.080 --> 00:36:24.360 planned for the other areas of our of our service and so again the intent is to provide 00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:30.240 people as many opportunities as possible to speak into our process just want to point 00:36:30.240 --> 00:36:37.600 out Wednesday is not April 25th April 25th is not a Wednesday thank you for that I don't 00:36:37.600 --> 00:36:40.600 know if maybe this is the only place if this is the only place that's wrong it doesn't 00:36:40.600 --> 00:36:52.080 matter yeah 27th we'll make sure that's corrected thank you house members we still we still 00:36:52.080 --> 00:37:00.720 up to questions now or yes sir do anything I'm good okay I've never a number of things 00:37:00.720 --> 00:37:10.400 I appreciate you coming here and coming back I'm I'm very interested in the analysis to 00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:20.400 come and the feedback on whether some or all that becomes you know fair free I think anything 00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:26.400 that makes the ride experience predictable is probably encourage ridership I know there's 00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:32.000 some areas where you maybe want to discourage ridership so you know that's just you know 00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:37.840 my you're going to hear from lots and lots of people I'm just one there are a number 00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:42.400 of issues that aren't kind of in the context of the fair topic that I'd love to follow 00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:48.560 up with you from last time sure you were brand new in the role now I expect you know every 00:37:48.560 --> 00:37:56.760 answer because you've been in it for a month what has have you been able to determine if 00:37:56.760 --> 00:38:04.640 the contract with via has in it service level agreements on wait times on safety on disability 00:38:04.640 --> 00:38:12.640 access so up to this point those things have been spoken to but not specifically addressed 00:38:12.640 --> 00:38:16.720 what we'll hear in this month's board meeting is an opportunity for the board to make a 00:38:16.720 --> 00:38:23.480 decision on additional service that goes on would provide and I did and that the opportunity 00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:28.800 to talk about commitments to those sorts of things if we sign up for this amount of service 00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:33.280 then these are service levels that we would expect like here's our wait time here's our 00:38:33.280 --> 00:38:38.160 seat on availability here's our safety standard all that sort of thing we do have some of 00:38:38.160 --> 00:38:42.160 that teed up for this month's board meeting yeah that's that's that's great that's exactly 00:38:42.160 --> 00:38:47.660 my thought if you know if you're kind of opening it up again let's you know kind of make a 00:38:47.660 --> 00:38:54.760 better contract and just by the way to give a little context I came today by by a go-zone 00:38:54.760 --> 00:39:00.760 to City Hall and I would say there's overall a very good experience and the riders I spoke 00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:08.520 with and the driver were super enthusiastic but part of it is they've adjusted to an expectation 00:39:08.520 --> 00:39:16.160 it's not really on demand it's kind of schedule it when I ask schedule on demand the estimate 00:39:16.160 --> 00:39:19.640 given to me was 30 minutes which was great because I needed 30 minutes to get ready to 00:39:19.640 --> 00:39:26.320 go and then actuality was 38 minutes so it's like a low bar which was fine for me but then 00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:31.640 didn't meet that bar but the you know other aspects were awesome so yeah just you know 00:39:31.640 --> 00:39:35.240 if we can be clear with the public and it works for them I mean it's totally solving 00:39:35.240 --> 00:39:44.120 problems for at least two riders three really including me so SLAs the the pay disparity 00:39:44.120 --> 00:39:49.140 on drivers issue will that come up because it's you know what I took away from our conversation 00:39:49.140 --> 00:39:55.160 last time in part was we're shrinking routes because of driver shortages we have driver 00:39:55.160 --> 00:39:58.560 shortages because we don't pay as much as there are other opportunities so it's almost 00:39:58.560 --> 00:40:02.840 like if you were planning to shrink routes you would do that like we know we know way 00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:07.200 the drivers so that eventually they all go away but you know if we don't want to do that 00:40:07.200 --> 00:40:12.360 and we actually want to flush it out then we'd want to pay comparably so any thoughts 00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:18.560 on whether that's gonna come up or so you're you're speaking to fixed route yeah okay so 00:40:18.560 --> 00:40:23.160 we have not gotten into by the way my goes on driver was incredibly happy about her compensation 00:40:23.160 --> 00:40:30.240 okay great well thank you thank you for that feedback we appreciate it on the on the fixed 00:40:30.240 --> 00:40:35.160 route driver pay side we have not gotten in that conversation yet because we are anticipating 00:40:35.160 --> 00:40:40.680 what will become of the bus service and what that service will look like in the future 00:40:40.680 --> 00:40:45.620 anecdotally is all is all that we have right now we have heard I have understood again 00:40:45.620 --> 00:40:50.120 not getting into the numbers that while our pay and darts pay might look different or 00:40:50.120 --> 00:40:54.140 our pay and Trinity Metro's pay might look different when you we look at total compensation 00:40:54.140 --> 00:40:58.720 that is what those people pay for benefits in in those agencies versus our agency there's 00:40:58.720 --> 00:41:03.680 some differences there that might be favorable to us and so that's part of the conversation 00:41:03.680 --> 00:41:08.280 and another part of the conversation is there's there's shortages across the industry right 00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:14.940 now and that you see that as Dart is now offering I think I saw an ad last week for driver bonuses 00:41:14.940 --> 00:41:20.720 up to $2,000 to sign on to be a new driver and so as we think about what is the or decide 00:41:20.720 --> 00:41:23.920 what is the the future of our bus service looks like then we obviously have to match 00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:29.800 our workforce to meet that we're in we find ourselves in a position right now where we 00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:33.840 we have enough drivers to deliver the service but we don't have the healthy extra what's 00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:37.640 called an extra board where when people lay off because they're ill or unable to work 00:41:37.640 --> 00:41:42.800 that we'd be able to bring in others so we find ourselves with a little bit of a gap 00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:46.800 there but again still able to deliver the service and we anticipate that'll get a little 00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:50.200 bit better as we move into the summer and some of the route some of the route demand 00:41:50.200 --> 00:41:56.760 drops off but I would say our focus first on what is the service and then how do we 00:41:56.760 --> 00:42:00.240 make sure that we can deliver that service as effectively as possible and I think the 00:42:00.240 --> 00:42:05.160 driver compensation comes there I'm ready you know I don't have to keep barreling through 00:42:05.160 --> 00:42:09.200 it's like if my questions make you want to jump in that's fine otherwise I'll keep going 00:42:09.200 --> 00:42:13.920 you have something you want to jump in yeah I got more but I'll keep going okay you got 00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:23.380 more okay so I'll just start with I'll start with just stating that because we all feel 00:42:23.380 --> 00:42:30.720 entitled we're in the land of entitlement although we have significant number of shortages 00:42:30.720 --> 00:42:38.040 in personnel we're still trying to build up our numbers in terms of finances you know 00:42:38.040 --> 00:42:44.920 it's all coming along it's it's humming along but we're we know that we have shortages in 00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:51.120 looking for employees everywhere yes ma'am but there's so many jobs and there's you know 00:42:51.120 --> 00:42:59.400 so much need but that brings me back to the scheduling part listening to this fair gentleman 00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:08.480 here mayor pro tem chair of this committee noting that his ride was a little bit late 00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:13.880 I think that's from what I've heard from folks that talk to me and put a bug in my ear that 00:43:13.880 --> 00:43:20.520 that's a big consternation for not wanting this service is because it's you know it's 00:43:20.520 --> 00:43:24.760 you got to walk down the road and then they're late it's there as you're waiting for them 00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:30.040 for it so you put that in your head I know that you already have it there but that right 00:43:30.040 --> 00:43:45.880 there is so I know that that that's probably the number one thing that I've heard for anyone 00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:53.080 that's spoken with me on that I want to talk about your propaganda I mean I have DCTA pulled 00:43:53.080 --> 00:43:57.840 up on my phone right now I'm going to tell my constituents to go ahead and go over here 00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:02.160 and make their statements about it as soon as I get through talking out I'll let them 00:44:02.160 --> 00:44:08.540 know over here but I just don't seem like it just doesn't seem like to me as I travel 00:44:08.540 --> 00:44:18.240 around the city I'm not reminded of DCTA until I see one of the cars and I just seem like 00:44:18.240 --> 00:44:26.120 I need to be just bombarded so I can be reminded that we do have a process you know a system 00:44:26.120 --> 00:44:32.920 like this we're still car riders you know I might hop in my car and just go a mile you 00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:39.660 know up to wherever but I think maybe you all can do a better job in the propaganda 00:44:39.660 --> 00:44:47.780 part you know putting reminding us through not only just Facebook and you know social 00:44:47.780 --> 00:44:54.240 media or whatever but a billboard or something you know just letting us know and reminding 00:44:54.240 --> 00:45:00.400 us of the service putting something in the newspaper I still receive the newspaper a 00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:05.360 couple of times a week I know it's digital but we still have and that's for those people 00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:10.520 that don't have the digital capability I never see anything come through there to remind 00:45:10.520 --> 00:45:18.640 me so I don't know am I wrong how are you all doing on that this is your perspective 00:45:18.640 --> 00:45:22.960 is one that's shared by a lot of people who I speak with including members of our board 00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:27.160 and so one of the things we'll talk about we're going to have an update an agenda item 00:45:27.160 --> 00:45:31.640 this at this month's board meeting about our public communications plan for this go zone 00:45:31.640 --> 00:45:37.620 service redesign or rather our overall service redesign in addition to just generally how 00:45:37.620 --> 00:45:42.040 does DCTA present itself to the community we're going to talk about our budget for 00:45:42.040 --> 00:45:46.560 advertising where we spend those dollars and what the impressions are that we get back 00:45:46.560 --> 00:45:51.680 and and as the to the to the extent of that sentiment exists across the members of our 00:45:51.680 --> 00:45:56.400 board if there's decisions that are to be made about how we change our approach of advertising 00:45:56.400 --> 00:46:01.080 or amplify our approach to advertising certainly I would expect that to come up one of the 00:46:01.080 --> 00:46:04.960 biggest things that I could leave you with today is you know this public involvement 00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:08.800 process and that and that is the aspirational long-term thing we're on a fiscal year that 00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:12.880 ends September 30th we're about to go into budget season so if we want to talk about 00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:17.720 how do we get more advertising out there this is exactly the right time to do it one of 00:46:17.720 --> 00:46:22.160 the things that I want to leave you with today though is our desire in the near term to get 00:46:22.160 --> 00:46:26.520 really good feedback from the public involvement process and so whatever you all can do to 00:46:26.520 --> 00:46:31.240 amplify that message and put it out to your constituents and and tell us if there's other 00:46:31.240 --> 00:46:35.740 things on that that we should be present at please tell us and we'll do whatever we can 00:46:35.740 --> 00:46:39.560 to make sure that we can get some sort of coverage there but we're trying to make this 00:46:39.560 --> 00:46:44.800 a collaborative and cohesive effort across our entire service area so certainly appreciate 00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:49.960 that perspective and understand where you're coming from I initially you know what I initially 00:46:49.960 --> 00:46:57.940 heard about it I was a constituent up in arms but right now as we've come along in the process 00:46:57.940 --> 00:47:03.440 I you know warmed up to the idea that we need do need to have different you know modes of 00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:09.000 travel that's going to try to accommodate as many people as again in the way that they 00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:17.480 want to be accommodated so I appreciate the system I don't I don't appreciate failure 00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:26.640 so whatever we can do to make sure that everybody's getting what they need I'm all for that in 00:47:26.640 --> 00:47:33.440 it so the next question is do you all have employees that use their own vehicles their 00:47:33.440 --> 00:47:40.520 personal vehicles or is everyone in a goes on vehicle are you referring to via drivers 00:47:40.520 --> 00:47:48.720 via drivers the so the goes on vehicles are fleeted or a fleet that via uses leverages 00:47:48.720 --> 00:47:55.160 avis to provide a fleet of vehicles okay so the short answer is no they're not personal 00:47:55.160 --> 00:48:04.320 vehicles okay thank you that's all I have so good I meant I imagine you might have other 00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:09.800 things to do in life than following our proceedings minute by minute but did you happen to follow 00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:14.920 the discussion yesterday a little bit yes sir so so you know you heard the focus on 00:48:14.920 --> 00:48:19.360 crash data and the concern about that hence you know my questions about do we have service 00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:26.200 level agreements but the discussion yesterday was about whether whether and how there should 00:48:26.200 --> 00:48:33.120 be you know a board request to investigate this but I wonder if as management you've 00:48:33.120 --> 00:48:42.560 already taken any steps to you know analyze the crash and safety data and related to that 00:48:42.560 --> 00:48:48.360 do you think there's a need for an independent review and a consultant of any kind or you 00:48:48.360 --> 00:48:55.520 know how how are you looking at that issue now so we we are we are thinking about this 00:48:55.520 --> 00:48:59.800 currently there'll be some discussion about safety performance in our board meeting this 00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:06.120 month federal transit administration tracks incident data on incidents per 100,000 mile 00:49:06.120 --> 00:49:11.600 vehicle mile basis that's that allows us to baseline performance across services where 00:49:11.600 --> 00:49:16.400 volumes might be different be a ridership or mileage or whatever it is and so we report 00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:21.320 we already report that data to the FDA the nature of on-demand transit service is it's 00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:26.960 fairly new in the marketplace and so FDA is is really now figuring out what this looks 00:49:26.960 --> 00:49:30.380 like and how do we track these sorts of things what we're trying to do in the conversation 00:49:30.380 --> 00:49:36.320 will tee up is about how to be able to create a baseline evaluation that allows us to look 00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:41.520 at performance relative to all the rest of our modes and so it is it is something that 00:49:41.520 --> 00:49:45.120 we're looking at and like said expect we'll see if some more conversation on it this month's 00:49:45.120 --> 00:49:53.800 board meeting that happens a week from tomorrow great I have one more if I may just just a 00:49:53.800 --> 00:49:59.920 pure speculation now occasionally we hear from people who are engaged with public transit 00:49:59.920 --> 00:50:08.360 and and concerned about current low ridership on connect and you know we hear others two 00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:13.320 per hour five per hour on some routes would it ever be part of the solution set that you 00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:18.400 consider to have the same driver same page same everything but would there be any benefit 00:50:18.400 --> 00:50:24.960 to right right sizing right sizing the vehicle in terms of fuel usage environmental impact 00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:31.360 impact on roads I mean given that there is a fleet of vans yeah they're there for you 00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:36.320 know I don't know you see where I'm going yes sir I do and the concept of right sizing 00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:41.960 the the product for the demand is something that also is going to be in this month's conversation 00:50:41.960 --> 00:50:48.280 we've been able to get so a pretty granular look at our connector out data not just by 00:50:48.280 --> 00:50:52.800 route but also by route by time of day that allows us to see where demand is peaking and 00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:58.000 where it seems efficient more efficient and less efficient to offer that product and and 00:50:58.000 --> 00:51:04.120 so again well I expect that we'll have a good conversation about that next week I know 00:51:04.120 --> 00:51:10.400 we have a great representative who will report back to us and from people here from two sources 00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:15.920 so that's right anything else anyone else thank you so much I really appreciate you 00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:20.720 giving us a chance to have you know these ongoing discussions no problem thank you all 00:51:20.720 --> 00:51:26.880 for having me have a great day thank you bye bye oh wait one last question what can we 00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:34.440 do to help yeah is there anything we can do to help thank you for that question um thank 00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:38.320 you for all the questions thank you especially for that one thank you especially for that 00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:45.160 one one kind question so the the theme that I am bringing with me in this interim role 00:51:45.160 --> 00:51:50.080 that I find myself in is one of alignment and it's really important that our agency 00:51:50.080 --> 00:51:55.120 is aligned with our member cities and the county and all of our stakeholders and that 00:51:55.120 --> 00:51:58.680 doesn't require a hundred percent agreement on all the issues but it means that there's 00:51:58.680 --> 00:52:03.640 a chunk of issues and a chunk of things that we can't agree and align upon and so the 00:52:03.640 --> 00:52:08.360 opportunity to engage in that dialogue in a constructive and effective manner is the 00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:13.120 biggest thing part of the way to do that is to help us echo the opportunity for this public 00:52:13.120 --> 00:52:20.520 engagement process as we think about what the future of fixed route service looks like 00:52:20.520 --> 00:52:24.400 the opportunity to have conversations with city staff as we come up with some ideas and 00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:28.400 say hey what if this is what data tells us but you know the story behind the data so 00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:33.800 let's talk about what that what that is and we can incorporate that as well that that's 00:52:33.800 --> 00:52:41.440 where that's where the value add can can be and so i've had been in contact with sarah 00:52:41.440 --> 00:52:45.840 and i'll be seeing david hopefully here in a few minutes as i go back to our offices 00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:49.640 and we'll talk about how we how we might be able to get together and do those have those 00:52:49.640 --> 00:52:53.960 sorts of conversations coming up in early may after we get through this board meeting 00:52:53.960 --> 00:53:00.120 i certainly have my my pledge to amplify the call for public involvement and i'm confident 00:53:00.120 --> 00:53:10.360 that my colleagues will do that as well okay thank you yep thank you all okay we're ready 00:53:10.360 --> 00:53:16.720 for item d receive a presentation and hold a discussion regarding king's way development 00:53:16.720 --> 00:53:21.960 as it relates to the overall development approval process existing traffic conditions project 00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:27.560 traffic impacts slash mitigations and capital improvement projects you're trying to drag 00:53:27.560 --> 00:53:34.900 it that drag that out thank you thank you good morning pre-tendation transportation planning 00:53:34.900 --> 00:53:42.720 thank you for the opportunity to present this item chair members of the committee oops it's 00:53:42.720 --> 00:53:48.640 been a while since i've been here so i'm here to talk about this particular item i do have 00:53:48.640 --> 00:53:54.440 it's a tech team presentation i do have julie here i'm not expert in planning and development 00:53:54.440 --> 00:54:00.480 as it goes so she'll be helping me with some of the aspects of the presentation the way 00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:04.960 it's set up i'll start with the presentation julie jump in for a couple slides and then 00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:12.360 i'll wrap it up if you have any questions feel free to jump in and ask those questions 00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:19.840 so here's a quick overview we will be looking at the timeline some background history talk 00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:26.080 specifically about the king's way development project traffic is obviously the primary concern 00:54:26.080 --> 00:54:31.640 most of the times any development goes in and then what are the rights that come with 00:54:31.640 --> 00:54:39.120 new development projects and they their proportionality or responsibilities towards public infrastructure 00:54:39.120 --> 00:54:45.680 so here's a this is the question that was asked how did we get here and a brief history 00:54:45.680 --> 00:54:51.320 or timeline of this particular development i want to start here at the bottom if you 00:54:51.320 --> 00:55:00.360 look at the parcel map back in 1986 this particular area you can see king's row here's 428 just 00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:07.160 to align everyone in this room and then this is the plot that came in this is the area 00:55:07.160 --> 00:55:13.680 of request so that was subdivided you see there is no loop 288 in this map and here's 00:55:13.680 --> 00:55:20.720 an aerial that kind of goes with it i kind of drew the alignment where the loop would 00:55:20.720 --> 00:55:25.960 would exist at the time but it was not existing and you can see kings row kind of making that 00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:33.560 angle and going and connecting to this newly plotted subdivision back in the day by 1995 00:55:33.560 --> 00:55:39.600 you can see this is an aerial loop came in text doc constructed the loop they created 00:55:39.600 --> 00:55:47.040 that intersection with the existing king's way which was right here didn't exist and 00:55:47.040 --> 00:55:53.680 then it was followed by in 2002 this land was already zoned for residential development 00:55:53.680 --> 00:56:00.040 so i'm talking about all of this area that's on this side was already zoned for residential 00:56:00.040 --> 00:56:06.100 development and early 2000 everyone knows things started accelerating within the denton 00:56:06.100 --> 00:56:12.640 county and counties around us and development picked up city when the plans would come in 00:56:12.640 --> 00:56:18.120 when development would come in if it would fall within the zoning and you know it kind 00:56:18.120 --> 00:56:23.920 of was approved through all the criteria that the city had city was obligated to get those 00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:31.820 plans approved and this was followed by state some state legislature that limited the cities 00:56:31.820 --> 00:56:36.080 to really control the capabilities to address land uses within the etj and the reason i 00:56:36.080 --> 00:56:42.200 bring it up is if you can follow the cursor this is the boundary back in 1986 and early 00:56:42.200 --> 00:56:48.080 days this is the city boundary you can see that it follows the 428 but then it ends and 00:56:48.080 --> 00:56:53.640 this at the time was etj so that's that's kind of important to know that there are parcels 00:56:53.640 --> 00:56:58.000 back in the day they were in the etj and now they may be in the city but we do have a lot 00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:06.720 of parcels in the etj so kings way development particularly the current zoning if you may 00:57:06.720 --> 00:57:12.120 back in 2002 as i mentioned it was platted but the established zoning at the time was 00:57:12.120 --> 00:57:19.000 neighborhood residential four and neighborhood residential and mixed to use 12 the reason 00:57:19.000 --> 00:57:23.920 the number four and 12 are interesting because i just learned that is you could develop four 00:57:23.920 --> 00:57:33.180 lots in an acre and then 12 lots in an acre so i'm getting there slowly and then the so 00:57:33.180 --> 00:57:41.160 this happened in 2002 and then that with our updates and all the dvc updates we the zoning 00:57:41.160 --> 00:57:47.760 updates that we had we transitioned those particular types of land uses to r4 and r7 00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:53.680 so you can see it's kind of hard to see here but if you zoom in into the small little map 00:57:53.680 --> 00:57:59.160 here there's a little piece down here which looks like this that's an r7 and then the 00:57:59.160 --> 00:58:06.240 rest of this was r4 zone so based on the current zoning that we have a developer can come in 00:58:06.240 --> 00:58:11.760 and if he follows all the rules and criteria manuals and regulations they can easily add 00:58:11.760 --> 00:58:19.840 a 328 single-family residential and residential mixed use lots within that particular development 00:58:19.840 --> 00:58:26.740 and this and for this particular development a plenary plat was approved back in november 00:58:26.740 --> 00:58:35.800 of last year so i wanted to touch on traffic as i mentioned during the conversations that 00:58:35.800 --> 00:58:40.880 multiple conversations we have had about the development a big component was the school 00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:46.200 traffic circulation that was brought up a lot of residents showed up and they discussed 00:58:46.200 --> 00:58:51.920 how all the school traffic the traffic related to school was backed up and it was really 00:58:51.920 --> 00:58:58.480 difficult for anyone to get through this area so a little bit of history and background 00:58:58.480 --> 00:59:04.240 on most of the schools that we currently have all the schools that were planned back in 00:59:04.240 --> 00:59:11.160 1990 and before they were designed so that particularly designed for people or students 00:59:11.160 --> 00:59:18.080 to walk to school there was no driving involved or if a school had a larger area attendance 00:59:18.080 --> 00:59:23.000 area they were bussed so there was really two only options so when a school was designed 00:59:23.000 --> 00:59:28.800 it was never designed to accommodate stacking accommodate queuing accommodate parents waiting 00:59:28.800 --> 00:59:34.320 and parents dropping kids off so that none of these were as part of the design features 00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:40.400 implemented as such after the 1990s the trend changed and a lot of people are now moving 00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:46.520 and parents don't want their kids walking to school it's that whole the the paradigm 00:59:46.520 --> 00:59:52.360 has shipped where parents want to drop their kids off and all of the schools it's not just 00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:57.880 this one school or several schools in the city it's throughout the nation i came here 00:59:57.880 --> 01:00:03.920 from california few years ago i had the same issues and problems in in schools there all 01:00:03.920 --> 01:00:10.160 elementary schools are facing the same issue is how do we deal with this influx of traffic 01:00:10.160 --> 01:00:16.640 and parents which mind me i mean it doesn't last a whole lot long it is 15 to 30 minutes 01:00:16.640 --> 01:00:23.800 depending on the school and the attendance number of students attending the school so 01:00:23.800 --> 01:00:31.040 and and it is also not during the regular peak hours which are after 4 30 so it's a 01:00:31.040 --> 01:00:36.160 really brief short period of time where things back up so what i have we have done in the 01:00:36.160 --> 01:00:40.920 past we've worked with multiple schools throughout the city and everywhere else is we come over 01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:47.480 the plan we work with pd staff our engineering staff is also involved and then we talked 01:00:47.480 --> 01:00:52.920 to the principal come up with some solutions of how can we address this safely create some 01:00:52.920 --> 01:00:58.440 space for people to wait and as you can see i've pointed out in the slide these roadways 01:00:58.440 --> 01:01:03.880 that are designed the deerwood parkway as well as grant parkway all of them were wide 01:01:03.880 --> 01:01:10.600 roadways designed so you have space on one side and we've worked with schools to reserve 01:01:10.600 --> 01:01:18.240 that space during that particular school hours if we don't allow parking there then the parents 01:01:18.240 --> 01:01:24.400 can actually wait there to pick up their kids so that's a solution that we've come up as 01:01:24.400 --> 01:01:28.640 an interim in the long term what we're doing is we're working with schools and creating 01:01:28.640 --> 01:01:35.680 more areas for actually stacking and on site and creating that drop off areas better drop 01:01:35.680 --> 01:01:43.040 off in circulation areas so that's what these this was the issue that was brought up and 01:01:43.040 --> 01:01:48.600 we have particularly this school we've worked with the principal our pd staff has worked 01:01:48.600 --> 01:01:53.920 with them and come up with a safer solution a safe solution for everyone to get in and 01:01:53.920 --> 01:01:59.400 out of this neighborhood and with this i'm going to transition to julie i'm not there 01:01:59.400 --> 01:02:07.360 yet to talk about all of this planning stuff i'll get there soon good morning julie wyatt 01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:11.720 senior planner with the city of denton and i'm just going to take a brief moment to talk 01:02:11.720 --> 01:02:18.760 about development more generally so the city like all cities within the state of texas 01:02:18.760 --> 01:02:24.040 they get their authority to control development through really two tools within the texas 01:02:24.040 --> 01:02:32.200 local government code there are sections 211 and 212 one is zoning and y'all are familiar 01:02:32.200 --> 01:02:40.340 with that you see us come before you with with public hearings for rezoning zoning establishes 01:02:40.340 --> 01:02:44.880 the rules for the development of a site so when you look at our city you see all of the 01:02:44.880 --> 01:02:50.240 colors each of those colors corresponds to a zoning district and when within each of 01:02:50.240 --> 01:02:56.840 those districts our development standards it can can impact the permitted uses it can 01:02:56.840 --> 01:03:03.560 impact the the intensity of the development on the site so a lot setbacks building heights 01:03:03.560 --> 01:03:09.840 so those are the things that zoning controls now cities aren't required to have comprehensive 01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:15.320 plans but if they do have comprehensive plans their zoning should correspond with that comprehensive 01:03:15.320 --> 01:03:21.300 plan so zoning should look at our comp plan and it should follow that either in in terms 01:03:21.300 --> 01:03:27.160 of that future land use map or or other goals within that plan the zoning regulations can 01:03:27.160 --> 01:03:32.500 vary from district to district so for instance in the city of denton r4 requires a minimum 01:03:32.500 --> 01:03:39.000 lot size of 7000 square feet and a maximum building height of 40 feet but that can vary 01:03:39.000 --> 01:03:45.220 from different zoning districts so li will have a different lot size requirement or use 01:03:45.220 --> 01:03:52.080 permitted uses but they should correspond throughout the city so for instance r4 in 01:03:52.080 --> 01:03:57.800 the northeast side of town should be consistent in rules and application of those rules in 01:03:57.800 --> 01:04:03.000 the southeast part of town so it should it should broadly each of them should be the 01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:09.960 same throughout throughout the city so that's one of our tools within the toolbox that we 01:04:09.960 --> 01:04:15.280 have to affect development within our city now zoning is discretionary as you know you 01:04:15.280 --> 01:04:20.400 make decisions based upon the criteria for approval within the within the development 01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:27.320 code in our comprehensive plan our other tool however is ministerial and that is platting 01:04:27.320 --> 01:04:34.200 that is that technical document that establishes lot boundaries and provides for the orderly 01:04:34.200 --> 01:04:39.120 development of the city and extension of public improvements so when we look at a plat when 01:04:39.120 --> 01:04:43.760 a plat is submitted to the city of course we're looking to make sure that it conforms to that 01:04:43.760 --> 01:04:49.680 zoning those lot sizes are consistent with the zoning and we also look at that public 01:04:49.680 --> 01:04:55.040 improvement piece and while the plat is that document it's a it's a public document when 01:04:55.040 --> 01:05:00.600 it is a when that final plat is approved it's recorded at denton county but there is a a 01:05:00.600 --> 01:05:06.160 whole host of other documents that are in the background working on plats looking at 01:05:06.160 --> 01:05:12.440 those those streets water wastewater and drainage that really establish whether a development 01:05:12.440 --> 01:05:17.960 meets those standards within the city of denton so those are those are the two options that 01:05:17.960 --> 01:05:24.160 we have within the city to impact zoning and development rights and i just should should 01:05:24.160 --> 01:05:30.400 state that while zoning r4 is treated um the same uh on the northeast side of town as is 01:05:30.400 --> 01:05:36.760 the southeast side of town so those rules um do are are consistent um platting is one 01:05:36.760 --> 01:05:41.240 of those things that once a plat meets the technical requirements within the city of 01:05:41.240 --> 01:05:48.800 denton it has to be approved per state law so so just to keep that in mind so that was 01:05:48.800 --> 01:05:54.800 within the city but as as pretem mentioned we have a whole lot of etj particularly on 01:05:54.800 --> 01:06:01.680 the north side of our city as well as on the west side of our city and um and we still 01:06:01.680 --> 01:06:07.920 have one tool within the toolbox to impact that development but we don't have land use 01:06:07.920 --> 01:06:13.040 authority so we don't have zoning and so on your slide zoning is is grayed out that that 01:06:13.040 --> 01:06:20.280 is not with within our our grasp so we can't we can't regulate those permitted uses the 01:06:20.280 --> 01:06:27.680 development intensity the densities within the that etj but we do have within our etj 01:06:27.680 --> 01:06:33.520 one we have platting authority and once again we are looking at that technical document 01:06:33.520 --> 01:06:39.840 looking to make sure that there it facilitates the orderly development extends the roads 01:06:39.840 --> 01:06:45.480 or water and wastewater where necessary and once again it is that ministerial document 01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:50.440 that once it meets those technical requirements it does have to be approved by the planning 01:06:50.440 --> 01:06:55.800 and zoning commission or staff if it's an administratively approved plat um so those 01:06:55.800 --> 01:07:01.040 are the the two um elements related to development rights broadly and now i'm going to kick it 01:07:01.040 --> 01:07:10.240 back over to pretemps so he can talk about proportionality thank you julie and so one 01:07:10.240 --> 01:07:15.520 last piece remaining from the development perspective you saw what we could do as far 01:07:15.520 --> 01:07:20.160 as when the development comes in what rights we have and what rights they have uh the last 01:07:20.160 --> 01:07:27.200 piece to this is uh what is the the developer responsible for uh implementing or constructing 01:07:27.200 --> 01:07:33.080 or putting it together as far as public infrastructure is concerned so how much can a developer put 01:07:33.080 --> 01:07:37.600 in and that is uh pretty much proportional to the development that they're coming up 01:07:37.600 --> 01:07:43.320 with so here uh in the first bullet point i've kind of bolded the area which which 01:07:43.320 --> 01:07:51.320 talks about not just our code ddc but the texas uh local government code um section 01:07:51.320 --> 01:07:57.160 that really clearly defines that if a developer comes in and there is a certain cost of improving 01:07:57.160 --> 01:08:04.040 improvement for you know widening a roadway adding a lane adding a signal then the developer 01:08:04.040 --> 01:08:10.100 is only responsible for the proportion that he's adding so if a developer comes in he 01:08:10.100 --> 01:08:15.280 has 100 trips that are added and they're just adjacent roadway it has already has thousand 01:08:15.280 --> 01:08:21.200 trips he's only responsible for that 10 percent of the uh total uh change or development or 01:08:21.200 --> 01:08:27.160 upgrade needed so that's where uh it becomes tricky to implement the whole development 01:08:27.160 --> 01:08:32.680 when there is no remaining 90 percent cost identified right when the development is coming 01:08:32.680 --> 01:08:38.720 in so that's where um we're kind of bound by some of these rules and regulations of 01:08:38.720 --> 01:08:45.960 how we could implement um some of these improvements so just based on that what can we ask of the 01:08:45.960 --> 01:08:51.360 developer a lot of times we negotiate and say here this is these are the things that 01:08:51.360 --> 01:08:55.520 you need to implement in order to make it make a successful project and what they can 01:08:55.520 --> 01:09:01.560 do is up to that proportionality level they can implement certain infrastructure uh such 01:09:01.560 --> 01:09:09.180 as a lane or some of the signal improvements a partial signal improvement partial um putting 01:09:09.180 --> 01:09:13.560 in one left turn lane instead of the whole intersection getting widened so those are 01:09:13.560 --> 01:09:18.200 the things or the second option the developer has is to pay into the roadway impact fees 01:09:18.200 --> 01:09:25.360 so what that does is kind of puts the money in a puts the developer's money in a pot of 01:09:25.360 --> 01:09:30.960 money that the city can use at a later time to construct and build the infrastructure 01:09:30.960 --> 01:09:35.360 in that particular area so those are the two things either they go implement it immediately 01:09:35.360 --> 01:09:40.120 as part of their development some of the improvements that are in there or give it to the city as 01:09:40.120 --> 01:09:44.020 part of roadway impact fees and that's why those impact fees are so critical because 01:09:44.020 --> 01:09:49.360 they help us uh look at our infrastructure surrounding all these developer developments 01:09:49.360 --> 01:09:56.200 that are coming in and plan for for a better um network plan for a better uh public connections 01:09:56.200 --> 01:10:02.200 and transportation system in the area and that kind of wraps up what we have to say 01:10:02.200 --> 01:10:10.080 questions open for anything actually if i may uh i i really appreciate the just the 01:10:10.080 --> 01:10:14.640 grounding that you've given us uh and i really appreciate how much more julie knows than 01:10:14.640 --> 01:10:25.360 pre-tem but uh what do you what do you want from us what do you hope you know what would 01:10:25.360 --> 01:10:35.160 you like to uh have us do in this session just understand no it was more of an informational 01:10:35.160 --> 01:10:42.440 piece because a lot of times when the developments come in uh the question is always asked hey 01:10:42.440 --> 01:10:47.760 how much traffic is it impacting why aren't they fixing the current traffic issues because 01:10:47.760 --> 01:10:52.920 a lot of times the background is missing you tend to okay whatever is happening today needs 01:10:52.920 --> 01:10:58.160 to be fixed by the developer no it's more of yes as a city as a whole community we need 01:10:58.160 --> 01:11:05.320 to plan and fix it as a long-term project the developer is only intended to contribute 01:11:05.320 --> 01:11:09.920 towards the piece that he's adding so that that was more this is more of an answering 01:11:09.920 --> 01:11:14.360 your question and more educational it's nothing that uh it's there was no action needed at 01:11:14.360 --> 01:11:18.880 this point kind of expectation setting i appreciate you you clarifying that that the reason the 01:11:18.880 --> 01:11:24.800 developer is only responsible for their portion is because of the texas local government code 01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:29.480 not because that's just how we want it to be because of course we would not prefer for 01:11:29.480 --> 01:11:36.920 it to be that way we want the whole thing widened right yes that's from rebecca i'm 01:11:36.920 --> 01:11:44.360 a lifelong learner and i have really really appreciated this learning experience uh that 01:11:44.360 --> 01:11:51.680 you all have given us and um if you would go back to that picture that showed go back 01:11:51.680 --> 01:11:56.920 a little bit that showed the um area view that right there no back right there that's 01:11:56.920 --> 01:12:04.960 the one uh that captured my attention and so as as this uh community was um voicing 01:12:04.960 --> 01:12:13.880 its concern about this new development coming in i was a bit um i don't know what other 01:12:13.880 --> 01:12:21.560 word to use other than confused i was a bit confused as to what really was their issue 01:12:21.560 --> 01:12:28.080 was it the roadway or was it the fact that this development was coming in and i had even 01:12:28.080 --> 01:12:33.200 heard that they were concerned about the smaller houses you know they had gotten really really 01:12:33.200 --> 01:12:38.540 deep into you know into the situation that we don't want these little small houses why 01:12:38.540 --> 01:12:43.560 are they you know mistreating and so it was a variety of types of uh dwellings that were 01:12:43.560 --> 01:12:49.960 going to come in but i i was just it just seemed like they were more concerned about 01:12:49.960 --> 01:12:58.320 that point and what was going on in the development versus the roadway so now let me go back and 01:12:58.320 --> 01:13:05.400 put this on kindergarten level because that's where i am right now um just looking at that 01:13:05.400 --> 01:13:09.560 road right there i know that there was some plans that was going to happen with that kings 01:13:09.560 --> 01:13:15.640 is that kingswood row is that called kings row kings row something was gonna have to 01:13:15.640 --> 01:13:20.000 give in that area anyway at some point i think there was some concessions or something like 01:13:20.000 --> 01:13:26.800 that with the developer was going to add in additional lane um or left turn lane or right 01:13:26.800 --> 01:13:32.320 turn lane widen it out it was something that was going to change there but i don't know 01:13:32.320 --> 01:13:37.480 what is that other road that just goes kings road that ends dead ends there and then goes 01:13:37.480 --> 01:13:42.520 straight up and then turns left right at that parking lot where that school not right there 01:13:42.520 --> 01:13:50.040 go straight up go straight ahead that road and then that right there that's a paris road 01:13:50.040 --> 01:13:57.720 that's uh that's a road but there is a cafeteria that is at that school and i might be getting 01:13:57.720 --> 01:14:04.520 the the school uh mixed up because i'm thinking about evers elementary and this school is the 01:14:04.520 --> 01:14:12.520 exact same school same layout literally the same layout and so right now i might be getting 01:14:12.520 --> 01:14:18.720 uh confused because i have subbed at evers and i have subbed at this school numerous 01:14:18.720 --> 01:14:25.600 times and they literally look the exact same way to the flooring walls everything okay 01:14:25.600 --> 01:14:32.960 so i was wondering why haven't we given the the parents which by the way these are grandparents 01:14:32.960 --> 01:14:38.680 you're not necessarily parents these are grandparents that have a lot of time on their hands uh giving 01:14:38.680 --> 01:14:44.280 them the the opportunity to go straight down that kings road go back up to that right go 01:14:44.280 --> 01:14:51.240 up and come back in and pick those kids up from that cafeteria rather than picking them 01:14:51.240 --> 01:14:59.460 up from where i've even put kids in cars uh in the front part of that school that will 01:14:59.460 --> 01:15:04.500 clear up all of this consternation you know from this other street what's the name of 01:15:04.500 --> 01:15:10.520 that street going up through there that little curvy street this is grand parkway yeah and 01:15:10.520 --> 01:15:15.320 just run them back behind that have we had a discussion on that do you all know is this 01:15:15.320 --> 01:15:20.560 the right uh is this the right well we'd have to talk to the school about i know but they 01:15:20.560 --> 01:15:24.960 say that they do talk to the schools they have conversations with the schools to alleviate 01:15:24.960 --> 01:15:31.160 some of that traffic that sits there now here's my experience when i was a teacher out of 01:15:31.160 --> 01:15:38.400 savannah elementary school my classroom stay was in the back so i my classroom overlooked 01:15:38.400 --> 01:15:46.040 the back parking lot and that was also the pickup spot for the parents i could look schools 01:15:46.040 --> 01:15:53.800 out at 250 and look out my window and 150 one o'clock those parents are out there waiting 01:15:53.800 --> 01:15:58.480 it's always the same parents grandparents with their little puppy dogs and their cell 01:15:58.480 --> 01:16:06.680 phones so is there and i know they didn't come early what's the conversation on on something 01:16:06.680 --> 01:16:11.040 like that okay so you touched several points there are several people are going to answer 01:16:11.040 --> 01:16:15.960 bits and pieces of it let's put it all together i think becky may have some also to add and 01:16:15.960 --> 01:16:24.240 tina as well but as far as the circulation yes we have talked to the school principal 01:16:24.240 --> 01:16:28.520 what they're trying to do is when they come in this is a wider road you cannot really 01:16:28.520 --> 01:16:33.560 stack people here and still have access for the people that live around here so what they 01:16:33.560 --> 01:16:40.760 do is they come in here and then they leave using this path outside so none of the traffic 01:16:40.760 --> 01:16:46.320 will come back but becky may have more details about that so we've worked out a circulation 01:16:46.320 --> 01:16:50.880 school principal and staff is really happy with the way we've worked things out pd is 01:16:50.880 --> 01:16:56.800 happy because they are the ones that get called if there are issues enforcement issues they're 01:16:56.800 --> 01:17:01.960 always out there they also manage the crossing guard program so they also have people that 01:17:01.960 --> 01:17:06.680 the crossing guards giving them more information of what's happening so based on all of this 01:17:06.680 --> 01:17:11.840 they've worked up a solution and everyone with the school staff is happy with the way 01:17:11.840 --> 01:17:16.880 circulation and becky if you want to add anything i think you did a fabulous job the only thing 01:17:16.880 --> 01:17:22.080 i would add was with the conversations that we had we had actually come up with some alternative 01:17:22.080 --> 01:17:26.800 circulation patterns like you're discussing similarly and looked at several different 01:17:26.800 --> 01:17:32.240 options and when we had those conversations and nathan and i were both a part of those 01:17:32.240 --> 01:17:37.800 they really were happy with what pd had done and how they're on site they are actually 01:17:37.800 --> 01:17:43.720 have two stacking lanes that allows for children to be picked up and dropped off and the principal's 01:17:43.720 --> 01:17:49.080 main concern was the safety of the children and the teachers and that ability for them 01:17:49.080 --> 01:17:54.040 to have the children go into the vehicles as they're you know obviously leaving site 01:17:54.040 --> 01:18:00.080 so i will tell you that um you know through multiple conversations we said if you have 01:18:00.080 --> 01:18:06.560 concerns or this continues to cause issues please let us know and she said i don't want 01:18:06.560 --> 01:18:10.920 to make any modifications i'm very pleased with the way that it's operating right now 01:18:10.920 --> 01:18:16.520 and we're very pleased with pd's presence and she said you know it's our preference 01:18:16.520 --> 01:18:21.000 at this time to leave it the way we currently have it configured our teachers feel safe we 01:18:21.000 --> 01:18:26.440 feel like our students can be placed in their cars in a safe manner and she said really 01:18:26.440 --> 01:18:31.680 from a traffic flow perspective you know it's only just that certain time block of when 01:18:31.680 --> 01:18:37.480 people are sitting there and and i mean i've seen the same things myself with you know 01:18:37.480 --> 01:18:41.600 individuals getting there quite early i'd love to have that much time on my hands that 01:18:41.600 --> 01:18:47.880 i could sit there for an hour but not something i have time to do but you know i would just 01:18:47.880 --> 01:18:53.760 say that we have that constant conversation we actually meet monthly with disd2 and if 01:18:53.760 --> 01:18:58.680 there's opportunities or questions that are brought up um this same school is configured 01:18:58.680 --> 01:19:05.760 like several um in in the area so i think they found a you know a location and a site 01:19:05.760 --> 01:19:11.800 layout that worked for them and they like to replicate that um but you know i'll just 01:19:11.800 --> 01:19:18.080 tell you councilmember we had similar conversations so far as we actually had routing maps that 01:19:18.080 --> 01:19:22.200 we were putting together we had been planning to actually have a community meeting in this 01:19:22.200 --> 01:19:26.780 area and the principal said you know what we've solved these problems we've worked 01:19:26.780 --> 01:19:30.960 with the police department we're comfortable with the way that it's currently um circulating 01:19:30.960 --> 01:19:36.160 in this area and you know with that we took her word and and you know listened to her 01:19:36.160 --> 01:19:40.480 concerns and you know she was confident with what was happening but that door is always 01:19:40.480 --> 01:19:46.040 open if um you know she feels like that that that position changes but at this time we're 01:19:46.040 --> 01:19:52.080 very comfortable with what's happening in this area so what's why why are the people 01:19:52.080 --> 01:19:57.400 complaining so a couple things i mean when a new development comes in the most visible 01:19:57.400 --> 01:20:03.840 aspect is traffic everyone complains and a lot of times i want to point out it's a perceived 01:20:03.840 --> 01:20:10.420 uh issue not necessarily that it's congestion it's more of okay there was some operation 01:20:10.420 --> 01:20:16.280 deficiencies on the school traffic and now if we've fixed it there is no real capacity 01:20:16.280 --> 01:20:21.000 issues during the p cars people can really get in and out of this neighborhood so that's 01:20:21.000 --> 01:20:26.400 where the perception comes in for peak 15 minutes during off-peak cars school time yes 01:20:26.400 --> 01:20:32.960 there's congestion and everyone agrees that's all over us but so that was the main concern 01:20:32.960 --> 01:20:37.880 that they could only point out to us traffic but the issue and julie can answer better 01:20:37.880 --> 01:20:42.880 is the addition of these homes in the back it's like not in my backyard like any other 01:20:42.880 --> 01:20:48.080 person and then one more thing i think tina is here for that is that the improvements 01:20:48.080 --> 01:20:53.600 at that intersection were part of the plan development and do we can explain what a plan 01:20:53.600 --> 01:20:59.480 development is better but it was negotiated through that plan development and it is not 01:20:59.480 --> 01:21:05.160 currently or not required by any developer that comes in and wants to put in 328 homes 01:21:05.160 --> 01:21:10.440 under the zoning the traffic study clearly says that it's not required for that particular 01:21:10.440 --> 01:21:16.440 development so those improvements went away when the plan development was not approved 01:21:16.440 --> 01:21:23.600 and that's that's how it works when staff tries to put in as much as possible and get 01:21:23.600 --> 01:21:30.880 improvements in place sooner than later okay and by the way i do realize that this is not 01:21:30.880 --> 01:21:37.680 a mobility thing but i'm just just curious as to you know what was the big complaint 01:21:37.680 --> 01:21:43.440 other than the fact that it's a new neighborhood coming in well and in and as you just said 01:21:43.440 --> 01:21:47.200 it in this pre-tem pointed to and i guess my apologies tina fergans deputy director 01:21:47.200 --> 01:21:53.680 of development services for the record so many of the residents out there did not want 01:21:53.680 --> 01:21:58.680 the development at all okay so it goes back to as pre-tem said not in my backyard that 01:21:58.680 --> 01:22:04.160 that whole nimby aspect right and and that's something that we deal with on a regular basis 01:22:04.160 --> 01:22:08.200 a property owner that has zoning in place has development rights so they have the the 01:22:08.200 --> 01:22:11.960 ability to be able to develop their property okay texas is a very property rights friendly 01:22:11.960 --> 01:22:16.300 state and and as julie illustrated you know with the with the the framework of the texas 01:22:16.300 --> 01:22:20.640 local government code that we have to work within but what i would ask you though is 01:22:20.640 --> 01:22:26.320 as decision makers on city council is that look at the bigger picture right in this case 01:22:26.320 --> 01:22:31.480 with the plan development we were able to negotiate some of the additional improvements 01:22:31.480 --> 01:22:35.200 that the developer would otherwise not be required to do and in hindsight it's always 01:22:35.200 --> 01:22:39.520 2020 right so we have the opportunity to sit back and reflect you know on this particular 01:22:39.520 --> 01:22:44.520 situation we knew that there were some challenges out there the developer was willing to offer 01:22:44.520 --> 01:22:48.560 up making certain improvements and one of the ways that we're able to get them to commit 01:22:48.560 --> 01:22:52.520 to making those improvements was in the plan development district ordinance the developer 01:22:52.520 --> 01:22:57.960 was also asking for some for some allowances as well you might view most trade-offs or 01:22:57.960 --> 01:23:02.720 additional entitlements however that case may be but they were also asking for to be 01:23:02.720 --> 01:23:07.320 able to deviate from the existing zoning you know in the end from a mobility standpoint 01:23:07.320 --> 01:23:10.720 where the plan development district was concerned we were going to get some additional improvements 01:23:10.720 --> 01:23:15.000 that we're not getting today but where i go back to is asking you all as elected officials 01:23:15.000 --> 01:23:28.040 is and to me this is remember this is the hand that we're dealt with okay this is how 01:23:28.040 --> 01:23:34.440 we got to where we are today we have other areas throughout the city where where we weren't 01:23:34.440 --> 01:23:38.600 as effective in our planning way back in the day that's not to say that the people in that 01:23:38.600 --> 01:23:42.080 are in our positions 20 years ago did not know what they were doing you know they were 01:23:42.080 --> 01:23:45.340 making decisions based upon their crystal ball that they had at that time based upon 01:23:45.340 --> 01:23:49.520 trends and development that they were seeing happening and trying to plan accordingly for 01:23:49.520 --> 01:23:53.800 it today you know we're similar situation right we're dealing with some of those decisions 01:23:53.800 --> 01:23:57.760 that were made back then we're dealing with how property has developed over time and so 01:23:57.760 --> 01:24:01.760 we're dealing with the constraints that that we have we try to be influential where we 01:24:01.760 --> 01:24:07.360 can be but but what i would ask you to take into consideration is when the not in my backyard 01:24:07.360 --> 01:24:11.760 or folks in opposition to just development in general don't want it to happen they're 01:24:11.760 --> 01:24:15.160 going to come at you and they're going to try and find any little item that they can 01:24:15.160 --> 01:24:21.640 to chisel away at the request to to help better make their position on why this is why this 01:24:21.640 --> 01:24:25.160 development would be a bad thing for the area you know we're we're looking at it from a 01:24:25.160 --> 01:24:29.160 standpoint of okay if this development is going to happen making sure that we can one 01:24:29.160 --> 01:24:32.600 that our development requirements are being met to are we making sure that the improvements 01:24:32.600 --> 01:24:36.440 are being done in the best interest of the city so what i ask you to balance what we 01:24:36.440 --> 01:24:41.000 as your professional staff are telling you in balance that with what the the feedback 01:24:41.000 --> 01:24:44.120 that you're getting from the residents i would ask you look at the bigger picture you know 01:24:44.120 --> 01:24:48.000 and looking at identifying where the improvements that we're trying to make this also goes back 01:24:48.000 --> 01:24:51.400 to the conversations that we had when we were working on the mobility plan and the comprehensive 01:24:51.400 --> 01:24:56.440 plan and getting that adopted i know there was some concern regarding adding certain roadways 01:24:56.440 --> 01:25:01.920 within our mobility plan network but as i shared with you back then and i'll reiterate 01:25:01.920 --> 01:25:06.840 today if we don't try to plan for the future now then we're setting ourselves up for challenges 01:25:06.840 --> 01:25:11.080 much later on much of like what we're dealing with today as mr pollster mentioned when he 01:25:11.080 --> 01:25:15.240 was here earlier you know in their analysis of 380 the cars aren't going anywhere right 01:25:15.240 --> 01:25:21.560 they're going to continue to add to the area and so how best do we plan for the improvements 01:25:21.560 --> 01:25:25.200 that we have the ability to influence so i just ask you keep that bigger picture in 01:25:25.200 --> 01:25:29.960 mind as you're considering these development requests that come before you look to see 01:25:29.960 --> 01:25:34.040 okay what are what are the positives that we could potentially get out of it i know 01:25:34.040 --> 01:25:37.840 plan development districts are sometimes seen as the the evil zoning right because the developers 01:25:37.840 --> 01:25:40.480 want something out of it but realize that there could be some good things that we're 01:25:40.480 --> 01:25:44.680 getting out of it as well but i think it's multifaceted one we need to think long term 01:25:44.680 --> 01:25:49.720 we have to think bigger picture we need to try to plan as best as we can for our community 01:25:49.720 --> 01:25:54.200 as we look to the future we're making decisions today regarding development that may not happen 01:25:54.200 --> 01:25:58.400 you know 10 years from now could be 20 years from now you know our dent in 2040 plan right 01:25:58.400 --> 01:26:02.400 we're trying to project that far ahead so just ask you to keep that bigger picture framework 01:26:02.400 --> 01:26:07.040 but also when we come to you and we're telling you this is why we believe we need to plan 01:26:07.040 --> 01:26:11.000 for certain infrastructure within these areas of our community that there's there's a reason 01:26:11.000 --> 01:26:16.760 why we're making those recommendations to you if i may as long as we're having a little 01:26:16.760 --> 01:26:29.840 group therapy you know a key word in describing our position is elected and i absolutely take 01:26:29.840 --> 01:26:38.880 responsibility to as i see the need you know to try to lead and challenge you know the 01:26:38.880 --> 01:26:44.880 community but you know it's within the context of representing the community right so i don't 01:26:44.880 --> 01:26:55.160 have the the privilege when there's a massive uh constituent concerns to to kind of wave 01:26:55.160 --> 01:27:03.520 it off and say nimby you know i mean it's to me it's my job to understand what's what's 01:27:03.520 --> 01:27:07.480 the legitimate driver i mean people aren't you know they don't take time out of their 01:27:07.480 --> 01:27:13.200 lives when they could be just doing anything else uh you know just with no reason at all 01:27:13.200 --> 01:27:21.320 uh and and they maybe maybe there are places where we're there's a reason to question whether 01:27:21.320 --> 01:27:25.960 there should be development or not and i and i and i get the message that yeah it doesn't 01:27:25.960 --> 01:27:31.640 mean it's all in the developer to fix it but they're coming to us to say you know help 01:27:31.640 --> 01:27:38.240 this doesn't make sense to us okay if it should be you know more of a city wide and a coordinated 01:27:38.240 --> 01:27:45.960 response and long-term short-term okay however it needs to be done but uh yeah i just you 01:27:45.960 --> 01:27:51.280 know uh i can't just wave them off that's not our job well and that's why i go back 01:27:51.280 --> 01:27:55.600 to it it's a balanced effort right in trying to make that decision and i don't envy you 01:27:55.600 --> 01:27:59.760 because you you are in a difficult position right um you have a team of professionals 01:27:59.760 --> 01:28:03.720 that's providing their best professional recommendations to you but you also have your elected constituents 01:28:03.720 --> 01:28:08.200 right so the folks that voted you into office so you're trying to be respective and listening 01:28:08.200 --> 01:28:13.120 to them in trying to balance their concerns with also then the request that's coming before 01:28:13.120 --> 01:28:17.400 you and then the professional recommendations you're receiving so you're in a definitely 01:28:17.400 --> 01:28:22.280 a challenging position right and know that you know with our team our goal is so as long 01:28:22.280 --> 01:28:27.600 as you feel a little bit bad for us i've had people say to me why don't you run for city 01:28:27.600 --> 01:28:30.940 council where you live and i'm like no i work with them on a regular basis and know the 01:28:30.940 --> 01:28:35.800 challenges that they go through so but um but but you are you you definitely have that 01:28:35.800 --> 01:28:40.760 difficult decision um or that in in challenging responsibility associated with the decisions 01:28:40.760 --> 01:28:44.840 that you're after you're having to make so you know know that with our team we're trying 01:28:44.840 --> 01:28:49.480 to give you the best information available for you to make informed decisions and so 01:28:49.480 --> 01:28:52.680 that that's our goal is that you're able to make informed decision at the end of the day 01:28:52.680 --> 01:28:56.480 if you're not wanting to vote in favor you know as long as you're making an informed 01:28:56.480 --> 01:28:59.960 decision and we've given you the best information as possible make that decision that that's 01:28:59.960 --> 01:29:05.360 the goal that i have for my team in in being able to assist you so but it's it's um but 01:29:05.360 --> 01:29:09.600 i just like i said disaster remember you know that you're right we the developer is not 01:29:09.600 --> 01:29:13.800 going to be able to fix all the problems within an area that's why we try to have the foresight 01:29:13.800 --> 01:29:19.600 our team collectively on being able to plan appropriately whether it's roadway infrastructure 01:29:19.600 --> 01:29:23.760 water and wastewater infrastructure land use development whatever um you know other city 01:29:23.760 --> 01:29:27.560 facilities fire stations police stations whatever the case may be you know we're trying to look 01:29:27.560 --> 01:29:31.280 ahead and and make the best possible decisions for our community so that we can advise you 01:29:31.280 --> 01:29:35.320 accordingly i just want y'all to remember that i did grudgingly vote for the i just 01:29:35.320 --> 01:29:39.880 remember you did because i had i had to listen i'm happy about it but i did it and i grudgingly 01:29:39.880 --> 01:29:44.920 voted yes you did right and i do recall your comment you know i don't want any of it but 01:29:44.920 --> 01:29:49.640 if i if in the interest of improved mobility and in fixing the situation that this is the 01:29:49.640 --> 01:29:55.720 this is the less bad of two bad options and frankly i acknowledged there were things that 01:29:55.720 --> 01:30:01.640 were uh definitely superior about the pd that versus what could be done by right and my 01:30:01.640 --> 01:30:08.520 conversations with constituents were you get that right you know you get this with the pd 01:30:08.520 --> 01:30:14.120 you're still against it yes why you know i mean like that's part of the job of challenging leading 01:30:14.120 --> 01:30:19.960 but anyway uh i think pds get a bad name from time to time because of like from the 80s right 01:30:19.960 --> 01:30:23.160 and then especially with the land use development and what have you that's being done and now we're 01:30:23.160 --> 01:30:28.680 dealing with decisions made from the 80s and and pds that were granted back then and and obviously 01:30:28.680 --> 01:30:33.560 we've learned a lot since then and and um and there's there's a there's a reason when planned 01:30:33.560 --> 01:30:38.520 development districts um should be used in this case with the kingsway development um one of the 01:30:38.520 --> 01:30:43.640 reasons that was working to the city's benefit was the additional um roadway improvements that 01:30:43.640 --> 01:30:48.120 were being done that the developer is otherwise not required to be able to do so so but like i 01:30:48.120 --> 01:30:53.080 said yeah time has passed it's always hindsight's always 20 20 right and and we can talk about what 01:30:53.080 --> 01:30:57.640 are some of the lessons that we learned from that experience okay can we join in kumbaya around the 01:30:57.640 --> 01:31:03.560 fact that we have prioritized this area along with southeast denton and downtown for a small area plan 01:31:03.560 --> 01:31:08.600 absolutely so and and thank you again that's that traditional plug absolutely you know i was on my 01:31:08.600 --> 01:31:13.480 soapbox for the longest time you know as we work on the area plan for northeast denton the mobility 01:31:13.480 --> 01:31:17.480 component is going to be one of the big components that we look at and i know we made that commitment 01:31:17.480 --> 01:31:21.960 to council as we work through the adoption of the conference of plan and also the mobility plan so 01:31:21.960 --> 01:31:26.680 that that is first and foremost on the list of things that that project will address i think 01:31:26.680 --> 01:31:32.440 we're just about out of time we'll have therapy again thank you you're welcome thank you 01:31:32.440 --> 01:31:42.120 all right let me pull down the presentation we are ready for staff report item e 01:31:50.760 --> 01:31:58.520 all righty so i'm going to start off this stuff report with the first parkway street elm locust 01:31:58.520 --> 01:32:04.040 intersection information at the previous meeting we discussed with you several of the friday 01:32:04.040 --> 01:32:09.560 reports that we had mentioned we talked about it was a signal the signal was taken away then it was 01:32:09.560 --> 01:32:16.600 a one one stop direction on parkway now it's an all stop direction and the request that you had 01:32:16.600 --> 01:32:24.360 was for us to pull up the traffic crash data in this area and so i am going to ask nathan to come 01:32:24.360 --> 01:32:30.440 up and discuss the crash data that he worked with the police department on and just really go over 01:32:30.440 --> 01:32:41.000 that information with you so nathan all right i'm not going to read this long worded discussion but 01:32:41.000 --> 01:32:47.400 basically we pulled a number of years of traffic data so we could take a look at trends and you 01:32:47.400 --> 01:32:54.680 know identify sort of how how do we get where we are today and how has the you know how has our 01:32:54.680 --> 01:33:02.280 response improved or how have trends changed since we implemented the always stop so the first 01:33:02.280 --> 01:33:10.360 three years of data that we collected and then we compared that with the the subsequent almost two 01:33:10.360 --> 01:33:16.920 years of data that uh from the period when the signal was in place and then the subsequent 01:33:16.920 --> 01:33:22.280 period after the signal was removed and the side street stop condition was in place how to safety 01:33:22.280 --> 01:33:27.640 perform um one of the big challenges that we have with crash data with how it's recorded and you 01:33:27.640 --> 01:33:32.200 know one of the reasons we're coming back this month is because location data is a little bit 01:33:32.200 --> 01:33:36.440 challenging to extrapolate from the reports without pulling all the individual reports 01:33:37.080 --> 01:33:43.240 and scanning all the details so what they call a cr3 form that the police officer fills out on site 01:33:43.240 --> 01:33:49.960 and we're looking at data that's a bit less detailed so we were able to extrapolate out how 01:33:49.960 --> 01:33:53.640 many crashes occurred at the intersections we can't say exactly which intersections without 01:33:53.640 --> 01:33:58.600 going through that additional effort so we had 28 crashes in the period of the three years 01:33:58.600 --> 01:34:05.640 the intersections were signalized and then for just under two years we had 20 crashes at between 01:34:05.640 --> 01:34:12.760 the two intersections so in terms of overall trend we had roughly the same number of crashes occur 01:34:12.760 --> 01:34:21.160 over the same time frame you know nine injury crashes and six injury crashes over the the two 01:34:21.160 --> 01:34:25.800 periods so you know the trends that we see are the overall crashes stayed about the same but there 01:34:25.800 --> 01:34:30.920 was a slight increase not substantial but a slight increase in the severity of the crashes that did 01:34:30.920 --> 01:34:37.240 occur after the signals were removed and the side street stops were implemented so i'd say you know 01:34:37.240 --> 01:34:42.440 that's kind of what you would expect fewer people are stopping at the intersection because there is 01:34:42.440 --> 01:34:48.120 no signal so you start to see some of the types of crashes be a bit more severe when that higher 01:34:48.120 --> 01:34:55.240 threat sort of scenario happens there was one fatality that occurred at the intersection of elm 01:34:56.040 --> 01:35:02.120 where a an individual pulled through the stop sign and there was a collision and airbag deployed 01:35:02.120 --> 01:35:09.880 and due to a respiratory issue they died from air air bag dust inhalation that we got from pd 01:35:09.880 --> 01:35:16.440 through a separate review so you know that being the most severe of all the collisions that occurred 01:35:16.440 --> 01:35:21.560 but certainly we don't want to see any fatalities or serious injuries on intersections in the in the 01:35:21.560 --> 01:35:28.680 city since you know following that fatal collision we implemented the always stop there was one 01:35:28.680 --> 01:35:35.880 reported crash that happened since then and no injuries were a result so you know just overall i 01:35:35.880 --> 01:35:41.720 would say you know crash rates stayed about the same but severity increased when the signals were 01:35:41.720 --> 01:35:47.320 removed that's not a result that we want to see since we've implemented the always stop the you 01:35:47.320 --> 01:35:54.120 know we've got about four months of data and that shows that we're not seeing a lot of crashes and 01:35:54.120 --> 01:35:59.720 we haven't seen any severity as an outcome of that and we'll continue to monitor and we do have a 01:35:59.720 --> 01:36:06.280 project on parkway to do some improvements there as well so hopefully we can introduce some additional 01:36:06.280 --> 01:36:11.400 elements to further reinforce that the stop condition is has been installed on elm and locust 01:36:11.400 --> 01:36:15.320 and that is everything i have to say happy to answer questions 01:36:16.760 --> 01:36:21.160 i can say just sort of like anecdotally for my personal experience i was a little bit worried 01:36:21.160 --> 01:36:25.720 that there would be um you know congestion or traffic back up as a result of the always stop but 01:36:25.720 --> 01:36:33.640 i haven't seen it um do do you feel like my my gut instinct on that is accurate i would say so 01:36:33.640 --> 01:36:40.440 you know our office is right there at the intersection of elm and parkway i see a fair 01:36:40.440 --> 01:36:44.440 amount of traffic but i wouldn't say i see any more congestion at the parkway intersection than 01:36:44.440 --> 01:36:49.720 i see downstream at mckinney so i don't uh i would not say that we're seeing a whole lot of 01:36:49.720 --> 01:36:55.400 congestion that's not to say i've observed locust a lot in my travels a little bit but i certainly 01:36:55.400 --> 01:37:00.520 wouldn't say that i see any evidence of that increase in congestion there were certainly 01:37:00.520 --> 01:37:05.480 issues on elm street because it's three lanes where people maybe in the middle lane didn't 01:37:05.480 --> 01:37:10.200 recognize that the stop was there and we were getting a lot of issues with you know folks come 01:37:11.720 --> 01:37:16.200 telling us that they had near misses or that they'd seen a collision that sort of thing 01:37:16.200 --> 01:37:21.800 and that's why we put the red flashing lights so traffic operations james andrews went out and put 01:37:21.800 --> 01:37:25.880 some flashing lights on top of the stop signs to increase visibility as you're coming down the hill 01:37:25.880 --> 01:37:32.360 on elm um but yeah i certainly people seem to be complying i walk through there just to test it out 01:37:32.360 --> 01:37:37.080 make sure folks are stopping and i haven't really experienced any concerns walking through the 01:37:37.080 --> 01:37:43.000 intersection so say they're performing pretty well small small sample size but for now it seems like 01:37:43.000 --> 01:37:47.800 the four-way stop is really giving us some good outcomes there yeah and the changes that will 01:37:47.800 --> 01:37:51.960 hopefully add uh which of course we have talked with tex dot or things like putting some solid 01:37:51.960 --> 01:37:56.440 lane lines so as you get up to the intersection there's visual cue that you need to stop some 01:37:56.440 --> 01:38:01.720 reflectors maybe so we should be able to to even provide additional clues to drivers that you know 01:38:01.720 --> 01:38:05.800 they're approaching a stop controlled intersection so we should be able to improve that safety 01:38:05.800 --> 01:38:10.680 hopefully some uh crosswalks would help make that intersection stand out a little bit more as well 01:38:10.680 --> 01:38:15.480 i really like the fact that uh no matter which direction you're approaching it you have to think 01:38:15.480 --> 01:38:22.680 about it now yeah i would say makes you anecdotally when i first came to town you know before i 01:38:22.680 --> 01:38:27.240 accepted the position i was sitting at a greenhouse restaurant on locust street and observing cars 01:38:27.240 --> 01:38:32.840 flying down locust street so you know i don't see that as much anymore when i'm sitting there 01:38:32.840 --> 01:38:38.440 outside dining so you know i certainly have seen it as a traffic calming if you will on the north 01:38:38.440 --> 01:38:47.640 side of downtown as well councilmember bird how do you all make the decision uh in a in a location 01:38:47.640 --> 01:38:57.080 like that uh to put in stop signs versus those lights that flash red is those you know it all 01:38:57.080 --> 01:39:04.440 stop red light how do you all come to that is it financial do you want to answer that or you want 01:39:04.440 --> 01:39:09.720 me to i can some other kind i can talk uh so you know anytime we were making decisions about what 01:39:09.720 --> 01:39:15.000 traffic control devices the result of an engineering study so it's typically uh you know we're working 01:39:15.000 --> 01:39:20.600 together as a team so becky deviney brett our new deputy city engineer we're working together to 01:39:20.600 --> 01:39:26.200 review conditions to look at you know what are what are all the constraints at an intersection 01:39:26.200 --> 01:39:31.240 and make the appropriate recommendations sometimes that's an iterative process i referred to you know 01:39:31.240 --> 01:39:36.280 we we put up the stop signs then we came back later and put up the flashing lights so sometimes 01:39:36.280 --> 01:39:43.080 that's the result of testing observing how things you know how that uh how that engineering treatment 01:39:43.080 --> 01:39:49.720 worked in the field and you may need to further enhance and i even described some additional 01:39:49.720 --> 01:39:55.320 enhancements i have in mind so it's you know it starts with the engineering review and developing 01:39:55.320 --> 01:40:00.600 a design but sometimes we may see that it's not performing the way we want and we go back and 01:40:00.600 --> 01:40:09.000 continue to design so so so a stop sign with flashing lights on the stop signs to notify you 01:40:09.000 --> 01:40:16.040 that to stop versus one of those you know in the middle of the road at the top you know what i'm 01:40:16.040 --> 01:40:27.160 talking about flashing light signal lights signal yeah permanently flashing red signal 01:40:27.160 --> 01:40:32.760 yeah yeah signal lights that's what that's where i'm trying to go so is that part of the uh the the 01:40:32.760 --> 01:40:41.080 severity of we need to now notify them by flashing it could be yeah it could be the result of seeing 01:40:41.080 --> 01:40:47.640 increased crashes or severe crashes that you know in addition to what happens at the intersection 01:40:47.640 --> 01:40:51.960 sometimes there may be site constraints that you can't see and recognize as well so we might do 01:40:51.960 --> 01:40:56.360 something further back so we catch a driver's attention before they even arrive at the 01:40:56.360 --> 01:41:02.920 intersection we do that a lot with pedestrian safe crossings i believe there may be advanced 01:41:02.920 --> 01:41:08.360 lights out here but certainly you know you may need to get a driver's attention before they get to 01:41:08.360 --> 01:41:15.400 that threatening area so they understand how to react and respond when they get there okay yeah 01:41:15.400 --> 01:41:18.760 all right that's it i'll turn it back over to becky 01:41:18.760 --> 01:41:26.120 thank you nathan and i would just mention to councilmember bird um you know it was a 01:41:26.120 --> 01:41:31.880 signalized intersection so whether it's one signal flashing red because it's a stop condition 01:41:31.880 --> 01:41:37.240 or a signal that runs out through all three colors you know that would be more of going back to what 01:41:37.240 --> 01:41:43.240 it was in the past so the the iterative process that nathan described this was the first step in 01:41:43.240 --> 01:41:49.160 moving in that direction so um you know that's why we'll continue to review the data and you know 01:41:49.160 --> 01:41:54.120 evaluate that to make sure that the decisions that were made in that incremental phase 01:41:54.120 --> 01:42:02.200 are addressing the concerns thank you absolutely so the next thing that we promised is that every 01:42:02.200 --> 01:42:07.960 month we will bring you a bonnie bray street update and so i'm happy to announce that on the 01:42:07.960 --> 01:42:14.760 city council meeting i know mayor brats i'm really excited um i didn't bring you any popcorn to 01:42:14.760 --> 01:42:21.720 celebrate or anything um so we did um on april 5th approved that a change order for north south 01:42:21.720 --> 01:42:28.520 waterline phase three um that change order what it did was allow the waterline contractor to 01:42:29.080 --> 01:42:35.560 perform those temporary pavement restoration um that'll be all lanes of bonnie bray street between 01:42:35.560 --> 01:42:42.760 35 and scripture to the roundabout we are hoping that all lanes of traffic of course weather 01:42:42.760 --> 01:42:49.400 dependent will be open beginning in june and of course we're working through that final acceptance 01:42:49.400 --> 01:42:54.760 of the waterline so we're doing those waterline testing measures obviously that's a process that 01:42:54.760 --> 01:42:59.800 we have to go through that temporary service that we've worked with the streets department 01:42:59.800 --> 01:43:05.480 with danny kramer on will improve those driving conditions until that complete rebuild of that 01:43:05.480 --> 01:43:12.600 segment of bonnie bray will be completed so this is a a temporary measure to put the the roadway 01:43:12.600 --> 01:43:18.600 surface in a more drivable condition since the waterline construction will be completed until 01:43:18.600 --> 01:43:24.600 that ultimate cross section which is a four lane divided roadway will happen in the 2024 time frame 01:43:25.400 --> 01:43:31.240 so i just i make you aware of that because this interim phase will be uh kind of like john 01:43:31.240 --> 01:43:36.440 described earlier with the 380 this is an interim step that will happen um and then of course we'll 01:43:36.440 --> 01:43:43.640 come back with that permanent step um in a few years you realize of course this is for the public 01:43:43.640 --> 01:43:49.080 benefit people don't wreck their cars and it'll be good for them and you'll get absolutely no 01:43:49.080 --> 01:43:53.640 credit for it when you come back and tear it up again right yes sir that's part of the reason why 01:43:53.640 --> 01:43:58.920 i'm sending you the message that i'm sending you that this is a temporary measure that will be done 01:43:58.920 --> 01:44:05.400 and we'll be back in a couple of years to build that permanent improvement so um you know the 01:44:05.400 --> 01:44:10.520 goal is is to make it a drivable surface for that one and a half to two year time frame until that 01:44:10.520 --> 01:44:15.720 ultimate roadway construction can be completed i wonder if there's a better way to uh maybe in 01:44:15.720 --> 01:44:20.600 the construction update somehow to get the public to be aware like this is what's happening this is 01:44:20.600 --> 01:44:25.160 why it's happening and it's temporary because that is the thing that i most often or one of the 01:44:25.160 --> 01:44:31.720 things i most often uh hear about is why do they put it down and tear it up again yeah and i uh i 01:44:31.720 --> 01:44:36.920 feel those same sentiments and part of why um you know i've been working with the streets department 01:44:36.920 --> 01:44:44.200 and of course with our team and to when we provide you with an update or a message is to explain the 01:44:44.200 --> 01:44:50.040 phasing or the steps because ultimately the difference between building an interim improvement 01:44:50.040 --> 01:44:54.680 or a permanent improvement to someone who's not in the construction industry or understands that 01:44:54.680 --> 01:44:58.920 they truly they see that the roadway looks beautiful and they think that it's it's been 01:44:58.920 --> 01:45:04.680 handled danny deals with this on an everyday basis where he comes in and does a a microsil or a mill 01:45:04.680 --> 01:45:10.200 and overlay those have lot useful life time frames but they're not like a complete rebuild that could 01:45:10.200 --> 01:45:16.360 last up to 25 years if you're maintaining that roadway in that proper measure so you know really 01:45:16.360 --> 01:45:22.520 our goal is is to work just like we're working on elmon locus for those measures to make those 01:45:22.520 --> 01:45:27.720 improvements in a more immediate fashion because we don't want the roadway to be torn up in its 01:45:27.720 --> 01:45:33.960 existing condition until we can do the construction in 2024 what's the what's the obstacle to i guess 01:45:33.960 --> 01:45:39.320 you know logical logical question would be what's the obstacle to doing the permanent one in the 01:45:39.320 --> 01:45:45.240 time frame of the temporary one uh funding yeah we're currently lacking all of the construction 01:45:45.240 --> 01:45:50.440 funding in real estate yeah so we're working through that this is one of the projects that 01:45:50.440 --> 01:45:56.200 we've submitted um to the county bond package um that i've had multiple conversations with 01:45:56.200 --> 01:46:02.120 mr polster about um so there's a there's also right away acquisition that has to continue 01:46:02.120 --> 01:46:06.200 um and then of course there's several different homes that will be um you know 01:46:06.200 --> 01:46:10.920 eliminated with this overall roadway improvement okay i appreciate that explanation and i can't 01:46:10.920 --> 01:46:15.320 honestly say i've ever noticed if in the construction updates if we do tell people 01:46:15.320 --> 01:46:21.480 this is temporary so that it's drivable you know just we just discussed and if uh i don't know 01:46:21.480 --> 01:46:28.600 who would who would be the person to you know sort of route that comment uh but if we're not doing 01:46:28.600 --> 01:46:34.120 that then maybe that would be helpful i don't know how closely people digest that information but 01:46:34.840 --> 01:46:40.920 it's an opportunity sure i think that's a valid comment and i think as we work on those friday 01:46:40.920 --> 01:46:45.400 report updates or even the construction guide updates that we make we can think about the way 01:46:45.400 --> 01:46:51.560 that we're messaging that message i've also been thinking about different ways when we we make 01:46:51.560 --> 01:46:56.280 presentations or we have conversations with the public to explain the different types of 01:46:56.280 --> 01:47:00.680 maintenance and i know that's something that's definitely i'm sure on danny's mind as you know 01:47:00.680 --> 01:47:05.720 he has those similar conversations and questions that come through his office um and so you know 01:47:05.720 --> 01:47:10.520 it's it's a hard situation to explain but i think we definitely will continue to add that 01:47:10.520 --> 01:47:15.880 information to help understand this is temporary and we only anticipate it to last you know a 01:47:15.880 --> 01:47:20.200 certain amount of time frame before we do that ultimate and you know that's really the purpose 01:47:20.200 --> 01:47:27.640 of me stating this today so then bonnie bray phase three which is rose on drive to 35 and bonnie bray 01:47:27.640 --> 01:47:33.960 phase six which is 380 to us 77 are both on track to begin construction before the end of the year 01:47:33.960 --> 01:47:40.600 and both of those projects have an approximate two-year construction timeline which hopes in 01:47:40.600 --> 01:47:46.680 hopes of having those completed by quarter four into quarter four of 2024 so we just wanted to 01:47:46.680 --> 01:47:52.440 bring you up to speed on those other two phases i know there's a lot of questions that happen with 01:47:52.440 --> 01:47:56.360 the bonnie bray phase six specifically because the location of the new denton high school 01:47:57.000 --> 01:48:01.720 and so the high school will be opening you know obviously through the process of the construction 01:48:01.720 --> 01:48:07.000 phase and we have been coordinating with disd and like i mentioned those monthly meetings 01:48:07.000 --> 01:48:11.960 then of course we are so are working with them on some improvements that they're going to be 01:48:11.960 --> 01:48:19.640 making to reine road and then the last item that was brought up in our questions that came from 01:48:19.640 --> 01:48:26.040 last month was the swisher road concerns and the portion of swisher road i believe that was asked 01:48:26.040 --> 01:48:32.280 that actually is a part of the 2019 bond program it's that neighborhood rehabilitation program 01:48:32.280 --> 01:48:40.760 it's specifically within neighborhood what we call 8a and is anticipated to begin in the design in 01:48:40.760 --> 01:48:46.040 2025 so there will be improvements that are up and coming but it is out a few years 01:48:46.040 --> 01:48:54.920 and with that that is all i have for the staff report today i will pull up the matrix to see 01:48:54.920 --> 01:49:02.840 if there's any additional items that you would like for us to review so we went ahead and talked 01:49:02.840 --> 01:49:09.160 about the intersection of parkway and sorry i'm trying to get this where we can all see it 01:49:09.160 --> 01:49:15.400 parkway and locust we believe we provided the update that you requested 01:49:15.400 --> 01:49:18.840 just wanted to find out whether or not you're comfortable with us removing that 01:49:19.560 --> 01:49:26.760 from the future agendas um i don't think that we need like an update on every agenda but could we 01:49:26.760 --> 01:49:32.760 maybe flag it like a year from now to kind of bring back that same data so that we can you know kind 01:49:32.760 --> 01:49:37.720 of compare apples to apples absolutely once we have more data sure we can do that we'll add it 01:49:37.720 --> 01:49:42.600 to the commitment tracker that we have every time we promise you we're going to do something in a 01:49:42.600 --> 01:49:47.640 friday report or make that commitment we actually have a tracker that we use so that our staff 01:49:47.640 --> 01:49:52.520 remembers for those timelines so happy to do that i'm sorry i need that in my marriage a commitment 01:49:52.520 --> 01:50:01.800 tracker good luck with that sir so i would just mention that we'll continue to work with pd then 01:50:01.800 --> 01:50:07.240 on that overall intersection and and we'll we'll need to make sure that with the inner improvements 01:50:07.240 --> 01:50:12.520 that nathan has planned you know that we take a moment in time to to receive all of the crash 01:50:12.520 --> 01:50:17.800 data from when those stop signs you know obviously in the current condition and then when we move to 01:50:17.800 --> 01:50:23.320 the new configuration which actually is just really some multimodal improvements and some 01:50:23.320 --> 01:50:27.800 signing and striping that then we collect the data because i want to make sure the data set is the 01:50:27.800 --> 01:50:35.080 specific information so happy to do so so we'll bring that back in a year the deerwood kings row 01:50:35.080 --> 01:50:39.880 area update that was requested i think the transportation planning and planning development 01:50:39.880 --> 01:50:44.680 services department team did a fabulous job of providing you an update with that so i'd like to 01:50:44.680 --> 01:50:51.240 request to remove that one from the agenda tracker see no objection um i think as long as we're we're 01:50:51.240 --> 01:50:56.840 really digging into that conversation in our small area plan conversations we could we can move this 01:50:56.840 --> 01:51:03.720 issue from mobility to that to smaller noted okay wonderful i think uh tina and and pretem are very 01:51:03.720 --> 01:51:08.600 well aware of that and of course pretem and tina worked very closely with us on the mobility plan 01:51:08.600 --> 01:51:15.720 update so they have all of that at their hands to be able to access and and use as pretem's going 01:51:15.720 --> 01:51:21.240 to be taking that over then the bonnie bray street updates i'm not asking to remove that because i'll 01:51:21.240 --> 01:51:26.520 continue to bring you an update monthly and then the swisher road concerns just made mention of 01:51:26.520 --> 01:51:33.960 that being in that bond program any additional questions on swisher road yes um i i drove that 01:51:33.960 --> 01:51:42.760 road maybe a couple of days ago sure uh just to uh show someone you know what we were doing yeah i 01:51:42.760 --> 01:51:51.240 was excited about that something new thing um and i saw some some some tagging it looked like there 01:51:51.240 --> 01:51:59.160 are some movement going on on on this issue in some kind of way you know how it's tagged in in 01:51:59.720 --> 01:52:03.960 painted on the road and and i was telling them hey it looks like they've been out here already 01:52:03.960 --> 01:52:10.600 look at me you know so uh but down that i'm hearing that there's not going to be anything 01:52:10.600 --> 01:52:18.200 additional going on there to 25 i've got to tell these people that are calling me my constituents 01:52:18.200 --> 01:52:26.360 that are calling me and and asking me you know why is it tagged why is the road uh painted and now 01:52:27.320 --> 01:52:34.120 you know there's not any expectation anything other than that the issue is still there so i'm 01:52:34.120 --> 01:52:38.920 going to ask danny kramer um deputy director of operations to come up and talk to you about 01:52:38.920 --> 01:52:46.760 what the painting means yeah so what we're doing over there is where you uh the drainage department 01:52:46.760 --> 01:52:51.640 has gotten locates for that area and they're looking at cleaning the i think it's the the east 01:52:51.640 --> 01:52:57.800 side uh bar ditch over there uh there is a clogged culvert over there and uh we're going to reshape 01:52:57.800 --> 01:53:03.240 that ditch it's not going to fix the issue but it should help mediate some of it in the meantime 01:53:03.240 --> 01:53:09.720 but it's just part of our standard maintenance practices in the area okay so um now i can 01:53:09.720 --> 01:53:17.240 determine you know roadway versus culvert uh issues so i'll be be sure and be able to 01:53:17.800 --> 01:53:27.000 i'll be able to let them know that thank you all righty so now it's the time for you to tell us if 01:53:27.000 --> 01:53:31.720 there's anything additional you'd like for us to bring forward next month i don't have anything 01:53:31.720 --> 01:53:40.680 uh well let me ask you uh first is with the uh citywide speed study will that go directly to 01:53:40.680 --> 01:53:45.720 council or do you expect to kind of bring that to mobility as well or what are your thoughts there 01:53:46.600 --> 01:53:52.440 so haven't thought a whole lot about that i'm happy to bring it to mobility i know nathan is 01:53:52.440 --> 01:53:57.320 leading the charge with that effort and we're currently in the data collection process i think 01:53:57.320 --> 01:54:02.520 it would make sense to bring it forward to this committee first to um you know have that overview 01:54:02.520 --> 01:54:08.360 with you prior to it going to council um i hope by the end of may we're done collecting data and 01:54:08.360 --> 01:54:13.800 they may even be done sooner i actually saw them picking up some tubes uh yesterday so i know they've 01:54:13.800 --> 01:54:19.720 got tubes out everywhere if you see those all over town um so happy to bring that forward it will be 01:54:19.720 --> 01:54:24.840 probably a late summer before we're ready to have that conversation but happy to do so yeah if we 01:54:24.840 --> 01:54:29.720 could just get like updates on kind of how how it's going what the process looks like sure even 01:54:29.720 --> 01:54:36.760 what you just said was more than i knew yeah right i'm sorry didn't talk over you sure also sorry 01:54:36.760 --> 01:54:44.200 council member bird also i just wanted to let everybody know that you all are having a meeting on 01:54:44.200 --> 01:54:54.600 the 28th to discuss the southeast denton portion of the upgrade updates so i just want to put that 01:54:54.600 --> 01:55:00.840 out there absolutely yes we have the um april 28th um trevor i'm looking at you six p.m 01:55:02.600 --> 01:55:10.520 okay six p.m i believe it's six p.m um i don't have my i'm sorry yes um and so we're going to 01:55:10.520 --> 01:55:16.520 be having that conversation to talk about the sedna um group a or said a and said b 01:55:16.520 --> 01:55:22.520 and uh seth garcia the program manager over that bond program will be bringing that forward we'll 01:55:22.520 --> 01:55:27.160 have the contractor present um the design engineer so it'll be a great time for everyone to learn 01:55:27.160 --> 01:55:31.880 about that overall project in that entire neighborhood and i've gotten word that they've 01:55:31.880 --> 01:55:37.080 received their letters so they are excited coming through that's always something that we keep our 01:55:37.080 --> 01:55:41.480 fingers crossed i know we've had a couple of issues before with them so glad to hear that 01:55:41.480 --> 01:55:45.560 they're receiving their letters thank you for that i just want to confirm whether or not you all do 01:55:45.560 --> 01:55:51.800 have on your notes to make sure that those types of announcements also go to those churches there 01:55:51.800 --> 01:55:56.520 because they have announcement time absolutely we will follow up and make sure that those different 01:55:56.520 --> 01:56:02.120 churches have that information they should be in that mailing category but i'll ask seth trevor 01:56:02.120 --> 01:56:07.400 can work to make sure that seth gets that notice put out and try to get it in the sunday message 01:56:07.400 --> 01:56:14.600 for this sunday good absolutely uh in the in the kind of intersection of those last two points 01:56:14.600 --> 01:56:21.480 i've had uh occasion of late just due to a hobby interest to knocking a lot of doors and something 01:56:21.480 --> 01:56:28.840 standing in your district and i and i suspect you will uh the council member bird will uh will agree 01:56:28.840 --> 01:56:36.040 with this uh that the thing i hear most often or heard most often really even more than the 01:56:36.040 --> 01:56:41.320 construction status was well we've heard so much from you know from you over the last couple years 01:56:41.320 --> 01:56:48.040 the the speed on the streets right particularly morse curly lakie ruth i heard about winzer duncan 01:56:48.040 --> 01:56:54.040 too uh you know these are residential areas with kids playing in the streets and i hear uh you know 01:56:54.040 --> 01:57:04.120 a lot of interest in some kind of speed bumps bumps out some kind of traffic calming uh uh are 01:57:04.120 --> 01:57:09.720 you i know i've seen you there before i hate to give you extra curricular work but are you planning 01:57:09.720 --> 01:57:17.160 already to be at sedna on uh on monday or maybe i'm just wondering if if if traffic calming won't 01:57:17.160 --> 01:57:23.640 come up in the context of the 28th because that's about construction maybe in the context of vision 01:57:23.640 --> 01:57:31.400 zero it would be appropriate to address this concern and i'm i don't i'm kind of freelancing 01:57:31.400 --> 01:57:37.800 here you know maybe sedna is an opportunity to talk about or see if you hear the same thing i'm 01:57:37.800 --> 01:57:42.520 hearing about the need for traffic calming i've heard the concerns i've attended the meetings 01:57:42.520 --> 01:57:48.520 we will not be present at the meeting on monday but on the meeting on the 28th on thursday trevor 01:57:48.520 --> 01:57:52.040 already has in the presentation some of the improvements that we're making and some of the 01:57:52.040 --> 01:57:57.800 next steps nathan actually submitted as part of the dcta trip application some improvements on 01:57:57.800 --> 01:58:03.000 more street and that application has been submitted and we're waiting to hear back from them that 01:58:03.000 --> 01:58:07.160 they've received it and then of course it does take a little bit of time to see what projects they 01:58:07.160 --> 01:58:13.240 actually select um and then we also have a process we're working through on some driver feedback 01:58:13.240 --> 01:58:18.280 speed limit sign so there's some multiple things going on that area it'll be one slide that we just 01:58:18.280 --> 01:58:23.480 touch on um really to talk about what are the ways that we can receive that feedback from other 01:58:23.480 --> 01:58:28.120 individuals and that'll be a part of that thursday presentation will be at the very tail end of that 01:58:28.120 --> 01:58:33.240 presentation just saying if there's other concerns here's the individuals that you can reach out to 01:58:33.240 --> 01:58:37.800 um as i've mentioned before we've done multiple speed studies in those areas and have you know 01:58:37.800 --> 01:58:42.920 multiple friday report information and times we brought uh those questions and concerns to you 01:58:42.920 --> 01:58:48.280 division zero action plan that precent will be bringing forward in june i'm sorry i said vision 01:58:48.280 --> 01:58:55.880 zero i meant i meant uh well that too but vision zero uh citywide speed study oh sure that's really 01:58:55.880 --> 01:59:00.040 what i was what i meant to say in the context of citywide speed study that's where you would look 01:59:00.040 --> 01:59:05.800 at you know are over are the overall speeds higher than they need to be in that neighborhood 01:59:05.800 --> 01:59:10.760 sure or just traffic calming sure so there are certain streets in that neighborhood that we are 01:59:10.760 --> 01:59:15.560 doing as a part of the citywide speed study but i will remind you that the citywide speed study 01:59:15.560 --> 01:59:22.360 does not collect data on residential streets um so um nathan can add that um to the overall 01:59:22.360 --> 01:59:29.800 presentation just to explain which particular roadways um are being uh evaluated as a part of the 01:59:29.800 --> 01:59:34.360 sedna neighborhood so we'll make sure to include that in the presentation for thursday um and then 01:59:34.360 --> 01:59:39.800 obviously we're available um for any questions or comments that folks have in that area yeah i think 01:59:39.800 --> 01:59:46.360 if you're really you know open to uh hearing you'll be on that slide for 20 minutes you know because 01:59:46.360 --> 01:59:51.880 i'm just i'm just reporting oh sure that's a very present concern they're not and i don't think it's 01:59:51.880 --> 01:59:56.840 going away by saying we already looked at it you know and in fact uh you you're probably aware that 01:59:56.840 --> 02:00:01.960 you know from the friday reports today i asked because specifically of having knocked on a door 02:00:01.960 --> 02:00:09.480 at the corner of uh lakey and morse you'd ask about the traffic uh traffic accident experience 02:00:09.480 --> 02:00:14.920 there and it was kind of expressed as like not that bad that it's five accidents in five years i 02:00:14.920 --> 02:00:21.240 don't know it's an accident a year a good thing it's better than parkway but it sounds like a lot 02:00:21.240 --> 02:00:27.560 to me i think one accident in five years might be like more sort of normal feeling just perception 02:00:27.560 --> 02:00:33.560 sure you said at the end the tail end of that comma that you just made perception is a lot of 02:00:33.560 --> 02:00:38.760 what is the situation in that area and that's why we use the data with the different speed studies 02:00:38.760 --> 02:00:43.320 that are collected to look at the actual facts um and as i mentioned there are some improvements 02:00:43.320 --> 02:00:48.760 um that meeting specifically on thursday is to talk about the sedna project and of course the 02:00:48.760 --> 02:00:55.160 overall bond package but we will touch on other projects we have going in those areas and make 02:00:55.160 --> 02:00:59.720 sure that we cover that and then give them the tools and resources they need to be able to reach 02:00:59.720 --> 02:01:08.440 out to those individuals all right anything else anyone else we made it to the end awesome well 02:01:08.440 --> 02:01:22.920 thank you very much are there any concluding items i think we kind of did concluding items so uh we'll adjourn at 1101