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 Good morning, and welcome to this meeting of the Mobility Committee of the City of Denton,

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 We have a quorum present, and we will proceed, but I want to check in.

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 I know we have some availability of presenters that may vary today due to traffic issues

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 and so on, so I just want to check in before we call items as far as what sequence we're

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 going to need to go in.

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 I think we're great with the sequence we have.

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 Everyone's made it.

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 All right.

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 So we'll take up item A, consider approval of the minutes of March 23rd.

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 I'll entertain a motion.

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 I move approval.

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 Do we have a second?

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 Minutes are approved.

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 Item B, receive a report and hold a discussion regarding the City of Denton transportation

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 / Mobility Project status report.

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 You did make it through the back streets.

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 You know where they all are.

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 It's good to have a map in your truck.

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 Okay, today John Polster with Innovative Transportation Solutions will be talking about various projects

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 throughout the city that works out to about a little over $2 billion once the projects

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 are fully operational.

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 Our first project is the 2181 North/South project.

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 This project is still on track for completion in the October time frame.

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 The construction report basically outlines that they are working on the southbound lanes,

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 finalizing all of the pavement, doing some of the cleanup on the -- some of the drainage

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 on the north side.

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 And we've hit a couple of utilities, but each time we do, the utility providers are fairly

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 quick to respond to Atmos Gas has been the primary culprit out there.

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 But we've seemed to be able to resolve them on that same day and keep the project moving.

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 But this project that started like 13 years ago should be done by October of this year.

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 If you remember, this is a project that originally started out with MCM contractors and they

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 defaulted and we had to go to a new contractor.

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 Okay, 35E Mayhill, a couple of things.

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 We will have the right-of-way completed this month.

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 We are working on the 95% plan set, have some utility issues we're going to be addressing,

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 but one of the things that we're going to explore is the movement from 2499 coming up

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 from the south to get on to the freeway going north.

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 In the interim solution where we have the bypass over Brinker, that just simply gets

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 you to the 288 exit.

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 So we're going to be looking to see if there's a way to tweak the plan so that if the traffic

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 coming up 2499 wants to go north to get on to the freeway, can do it prior to having

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 to stop at 288.

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 The issue we have to go back and look at is that ultimately, this section of 35 has four

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 managed lanes that will be built in the ultimate, so it will be, you all have none from the

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 lake north, from the lake south that's reversible, ultimately there will be four total till about

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 North Texas Boulevard that it drops down to one.

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 So we've got to look at where we can bring in the 2499 traffic in the interim that doesn't

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 impact us when we build the managed lanes in the future.

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 But it is a movement that's not currently being served in this project and we're going

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 to see if there's a way to fix that.

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 Can I ask a question?

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 Absolutely.

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 Yeah, Councilmember Burke.

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 For the sake of educational perspective, what does managed lanes mean?

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 Okay, thank you.

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 So the lanes that are on 35E, LBJ and North Town Express have lanes in the center that

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 you pay a toll during parts of the day and the managed term is A, it has a toll on it

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 and B, it fluctuates, the toll rate fluctuates as the congestion on the general purpose lanes

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 go up.

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 So when there's a lot of traffic, they charge you more.

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 If there's not a lot of traffic, they charge you less.

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 So they manage the capacity of those managed lanes by making it more expensive to ride

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 on during congestion time frame.

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 So it's like congestion pricing.

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 So in other words, what I'm hearing, I know what you're saying, but what I'm hearing is

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 that we're going to have a toll that's going to run up through the day.

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 From all the way around through to 380 and then ultimately from 380 all the way down

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 35W to Tarrant County.

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 So that's the toll managed system for the North Texas area includes those two legs of

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 Thank you.

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 And just to piggyback on that, so when you say four lanes, two in each direction?

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 Because right now we have reversible because when we did the interim job on 35, we had

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 about $1.2 billion to do the work and if we bought all the right of way to do the ultimate,

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 that would cost us about a billion dollars and then we wouldn't be able to build anything.

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 So we crammed four lanes south of the lake and reversibles and then three lanes north

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 of the lake and essentially existing right of way.

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 Do you have an opinion on whether the primary motivation for that is traffic management

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 It absolutely is traffic management and we've got, because we get that question a lot, is

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 it a revenue generator or is it a management system?

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 And we've done a lot of studies, we can show you on both 35LBJ and North Tarrant Express

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 that even those travelers who never get on the managed lanes benefit in the peak periods

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 and we've got before the managed lanes were there, your average AM peak travel time was

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 like 30 miles an hour.

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 Right now it's right at 50 and they didn't add any more general purpose lanes on 635 and

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 North Tarrant Express, they just put in the managed lanes.

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 So the managed lanes have increased the movement and mobility of the general purpose lanes

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 if you never ever get on the managed lanes.

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 And it gives you an option if you absolutely, positively have to be on time, then you've

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 got a managed lane facility that's there to accommodate.

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 That's why they increase the cost because they don't want everybody getting on the managed

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 Just to put that in perspective, if you ever go to Austin, right, the elevated section,

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 that's called a non-told managed lane facility and if you drive it, it looks just exactly

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 as congested as the lanes below because there's no incentive not to be up there.

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 Lots of utilities on May Hill as well, but we're on track for that.

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 So the merge project is that's a project from where the 235s come together all the way up

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 Again, the right-of-way will be done in April.

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 We think we will have the plans done by May of next year and the utilities are the driver

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 We have confidence that we'll hit that August 2023 and the project will let in September

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 and it is fully funded at that $400-ish million price tag.

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 So on this from the merge to 380, what you'll see, you may not notice this when you're driving

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 south on 35, but when you drive south on 35 at 407, you'll notice that the 407 bridge

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 is significantly larger than what it needs to be right now because it's the ultimate

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 width when the four managed lanes are going to be in place.

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 So they're building 35 from the merge to 380 in its ultimate configuration.

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 So it will have the room for the managed lanes.

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 They'll just simply have them barricaded off.

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 Interim, I think we just wanted to keep that in here because we feel so good about how

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 That actually, they had some things they had to do at the very end of the project here

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 at the intersection on the striping because right before, the two lanes could turn and

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 right now it's the left U-turn, the straight left and then the line that used to turn left

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 and go through is now just through and since there's three lanes on the other side, everybody's

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 still trying to make that three-way turn.

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 right or through and not turning left and we're trying to solve that.

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 It is so much better than it was.

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 You really heard us and did it and I think it's great.

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 Then your northern section, it has officially been broken down.

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 It's actually three segments, although there are four.

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 The purple segment will be built with 455.

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 Bolivar as a six-lane divided urban and we'll build the interchange with 455 because it'll

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 get there before the 35 job starts, which is currently we're going to be ready to let

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 We've got to work out the funding timing because it's $800 million and they're allocated

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 in those two fiscal years and if we can, we'll move it up.

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 Lots of utilities on this one.

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 35W frontage roads, so not really a lot to tell you other than the tech stock canceled

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 their negotiations with HNTB because they couldn't come to a dollar amount, they negotiated

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 with WSP.

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 They have come to a dollar amount and now they're doing the executing of the paperwork,

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 so probably by next month we'll be able to have a note in here saying the WSP is our

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 contract and we will have a stakeholders meeting with them fairly quickly because everything

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 407 north is what they're going to be focused on and the city didn't have a lot of development

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 along that corridor that needs to be kept in the loop, so hopefully next month we'll

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 be able to provide that information.

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 380 US 377 section currently under construction.

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 We're talking about being done next year, tech stock report, construction report.

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 Basically what we've asked the tech stock to do is as soon as they get that bridge abutment

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 shoring done, and they get the center median up to let us know so we can get that information

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 out to the public because that's the safety issue on that project is getting that center

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 And then we had a ribbon cutting for this section, no groundbreaking, always get those

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 When we did 121, Commissioner Jacobs was a commissioner there and we got a big ribbon

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 and we got an 18 wheeler and she drove it through, can't do that stuff anymore.

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 So we're under construction, most of the work is your SW3P, you're pulling up some of the

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 old pavement on the south side because they're going to be doing all the, they moved everything

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 to the north and they're going to do all the work on the south side and then flip the traffic

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 to the other side.

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 But again, it's got a May at 25 time frame, there is a ton of utilities that we had to

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 Feasibility studies done.

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 They're recommending that the widening of 380 occur on 380 and that loop 288 and that

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 brown section be turned into a freeway section by adding frontage roads.

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 So excuse me, I'm sure you've covered this, you must have, you know, in many meetings

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 in the past and it didn't occur to me today how much I have not actually mentally processed

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 Why are we doing a feasibility study when we've already got the two segments that are

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 That's the interim.

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 So what's the relationship?

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 That's the interim.

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 So what happened was is we, about six years ago, kept telling everybody seven years ago

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 that 380 needs to be a freeway and we actually ended up, Collin County was studying there

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 years before they got everybody mad at them, they decided they weren't going to do a freeway

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 and so we took our money back and said we're going to study it to do a freeway and what

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 need to be a freeway to convince everybody.

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 So what we decided to do was an interim job.

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 So what we're building right now is a super street, six lanes in each direction and great

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 separations at the five major cross sections, all of which is a throwaway, right?

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 So if we do a freeway, all that gets torn out and we have a 400 to 500 foot footprint

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 that essentially destroys everything along that corridor and then we come back in with

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 And the two entities that are most impacted are Little Elm and Crossroads because that's

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 where the Wal-Mart is and the Prairie House and all that stuff, all that stuff is, it's

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 a historical marker, it just doesn't know it yet.

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 So the feasibility was, okay, we know we're doing the interim and that's just going to

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 stopgap us for 10, 12 years, what's next?

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 loop or some interim arterials, which we were calling the integrated corridor at some point.

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 And the decision was made is you need both the outer loop and 380 because the traffic

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 That's where they're going to be.

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 If they can find areas in their communities elsewhere that are viable commercial entities

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 and they're lacking infrastructure, then the county will use their bond program to build

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 the infrastructure in those areas so they won't oppose us like McKinney and Prosper

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 are opposed in a freeway in Collin County.

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 So the county just buys loyalty whenever they can and that's what we're going to do.

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 So this is a freeway feasibility, not the interim project they're building now.

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 This is probably more of a comment than a question.

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 I learned, I believe yesterday, that Jerry Jones has purchased a significant amount of

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 land that's north of Sanger and I can just imagine kind of where that Walmart distribution

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 center is and so I could just, I'm just seeing the growth in my head that that's going to

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 be something significant for us to consider when we're talking about moving a major roadway

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 north, keeping 380 as 380 for what it's going to be in 10 to 12 years, but also having to

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 So I can't remember if we have the outer loop on this list, but we'll figure it out in a

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 Denton County has hired LJA, same time they hired Pacheco Cope to do the brown section

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 for the loop 28 main lanes, frontage roads I mean, to do the outer loop from the Collin

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 County line to Milam, which is where the city of Denton has it on their thoroughfare plan.

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 There are three points we have to hit, where Collin County hits our county line with their

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 alignment because they're already building it, the 428 crossing of the greenbelt because

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 it's the only place the Corps will allow us to cross the greenbelt and then Milam Road

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 because that 35 job I just showed you that we're building, it builds the box for the

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 So those are three points you've got to hit.

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 Not the preaching part.

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 So the outer loop, we've got LJA on contract and we'll start that next month and we'll

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 have stakeholder meetings because there's a lot of residents out there, 30 or 40, that

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 have big land swaths and they want to keep it rural.

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 But we will open the DNT 4B is what it's called from 428 all the way to the Grayson County

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 Collin County is building the northbound frontage road in their county and so the toll road

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 will go from wherever it starts in the south all the way to Grayson County and there were

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 only eight property owners along that corridor and they're all huge developers and they're

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 fixing to blow and go and what the feasibility said is between the county line and pilot

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 point, I mean 377, 380 and the outer loop on the north, in the next ten years we're

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 going to be putting 90,000 people in that little box.

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 So the infrastructure is needed.

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 We're doing 1385, 2931, we're doing the design on those right now from the county standpoint.

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 Lots going on in this area.

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 Speaking of the loop, this is the western section, this is Chain Patel, we continue

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 to just work through the design issues, there's a lot going on out there and again we've got

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 a long lead, the design's not the critical path item, the long lead is the right of way

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 acquisition and the utility relocations because of all of the gas wells and the transmission

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 lines that we have to address going through that corridor so if we get those done sooner,

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 we can let the project sooner and then FM 1515 is the project that LTRA is doing, it

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 widens to six lanes, we've got the re-eval completed and we are moving forward with the

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 design and the same with 1173.

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 We're trying to hit a, which is going to be kind of hard, July/August time frame for what's

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 called plans adequate for this project and literally we've just got half the associates

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 on contract like yesterday so they've got a lot of work to do to get those 60% plans

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 but the reason we want to hit 60% plans this summer is because Textile wants to go ahead

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 and start acquiring the utilities and moving the utilities because they're going to try

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 to do 1173 and I know it's going to sound funny but that 47 million is spilt concrete

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 for that billion-dollar job that we're going to do on 35 so we want to try to get 1173

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 done consistent with timing of 35, that's why they have to hit that deadline.

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 And then we get to where I know nothing.

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 You know more than you want to say, no I'm kidding.

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 We're having follow-up meetings, we've had several with Textile, we are continuing the

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 coordination with this section, I'm working on what are the next steps so I anticipate

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 we've had multiple meetings, we've received a set of preliminary plans, the city is working

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 through the next steps and I anticipate between John, myself and Travis Campbell and then

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 our streets department that we will be having an update.

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 My hopes are by next month so the district engineer for Textile is coming tomorrow to

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 visit, this is one of the locations he's coming to visit so we're working to have that conversation

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 prior to his arrival tomorrow so just wanting, we're continuing to work through the process

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 to make sure that we're getting the final pavement repair in this area and then also

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 looking at of course the project that would be, that needs to be constructed to the north

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 of this area.

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 Yeah Moe Burr is a district engineer, I think that once he sees the road that he will spur,

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 motivate and encourage his staff to get things done on it.

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 As I recall last meeting the sort of big topic was agreeing to what standards or kind of

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 what spec the roads would be finished to, has any of that sort of been ticked off at

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 this point or are you closer to agreement on those points?

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 We are working through that, they understand our concern, the situation of which we're

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 in is trying to, the standard that Textile would use for this typical type of maintenance

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 repair is different than the standard of which the city would be comfortable with and so

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 they are entertaining the depth of pavement repair that we feel like is necessary in this

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 area and those are the conversations that we're having because before we agree to take

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 over this roadway I want to feel confident that we're getting the depth of pavement repair

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 They are absolutely open to those conversations and that's the purpose of the collaboration

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 that we're continuing and then before Mr. Burr gets here that's why we've been working

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 to have that conversation just so we understand that we're all on the same page.

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 I would say that yes they are much more comfortable and open to, I mean we're talking about a

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 difference between two inches and six inches of asphalt pavement repair and so what they

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 originally proposed is unacceptable but they are open to the conversation.

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 And our fallback is that they really can't force us to take it back, right, so if they

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 build it to something other than what we're comfortable with we just simply don't take

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 Yeah, so we have some leverage.

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 I want to have a realistic expectation and you know my experience now being on council

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 my fourth year you know it's seeing like how long things actually take like Hickory Street

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 like thank goodness, right, where it's supposed to be done done done this month is that still

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 a fair expectation?

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 Yes, sir.

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 It's still there.

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 It's still the plan.

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 Yeah, but you know it's taken a long time.

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 I think it's been it's taken all the time I've been on council for it to be done.

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 So what is a realistic expectation once you get agreement like we're kind of talking about

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 how do we get to starting but you know is it four years?

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 of months or so or a month or so we're in the pavement season and so they'll do a maintenance

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 contract that's the intent and they'll have a maintenance contract and then go and get

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 somebody on on contract fairly quickly they'll have a contingency right because when you

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 take off the top layer they might find more problems than they thought so they always

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 add a contingency to it so we're gonna agree on a percentage then there's gonna be a contingency

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 on top of that and so that's what we're gonna solve in the next couple of days but if we

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 get it solved we're in the paving season or beginning and I'm saying we're gonna get it

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 done this year and we'll stick to it yeah okay we may not resolve the turn back issue

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 but we can but it'll be drivable without hazard to people's cars if y'all know Moe Burr he's

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 got kind of a temper and I think when he sees that road he's gonna not be happy yeah good

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 I'm not happy when I see that road either and I just want to mention also it's not just

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 those sections of Elm and Locust it's also that section of Eagle Drive between Locust

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 and Elm and you know with the turn back conversations that we're currently having we're not looking

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 at taking Eagle over because that will be the only connection between Dallas Drive and

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 377 so the anticipation also is you know how do we facilitate that turn back where it includes

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 all of the sections all the way up to 380 with knowing that there's additional improvement

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 measures that need to be made from a water wastewater and drainage perspective on that

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 northern section so yeah we've done quite a bit of research and had multiple conversations

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 and I will tell you textile is just as interested as the city is making this solution I just

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 want to feel like that we're comfortable with the solution that we move forward with we

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 don't want a solution that's going to need to be redone 10 years from now five okay so

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 I'm at glossary do you all want me to include the outer loop because we have that report

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 we can just throw in there because it does impact y'all yeah definitely and I think that

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 probably be a good idea especially because we're gonna we're starting to see developments

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 along the corridor there'll be some projects that come to council in the next the next

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 council meeting in that area with the Milam Road and the 35 so I think that'd be fine

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 John to include it and the reason we're doing a full-on environmental on it is because that's

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 the only way legally to protect the corridor and I know it's gonna be a rough three years

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 and you know probably it's gonna be an issue in the county's bond package because the Senator

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 Springer and Representative Patterson had a public meeting town hall last night about

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 it and they had about 40 people show up and they were all opposed to it which is not unusual

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 I mean I've been in a public hearing for 2499 section 4 where there were 1,300 people there

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 and they were all wearing red shirts saying stop 2499 so it's not an insurmountable issue

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 it's just we have to go through the process and the only way to do it and be able to protect

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 the corridor is an environmental clearance so the county is going to do the heavy lifting

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 and it'll make it protectable for all communities along the corridor when you say protect the

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 corridor what do you so right now if you have a property owner who wants to develop and

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 you can't stop him because it's zone for that and he does all the right things and he wants

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 to put it happens to be right over the alignment we can't stop him we'd have to move the road

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 because he has property rights but once it's environmentally cleared and the feds say that's

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 the alignment they can no longer plat anything do anything to that that part of it they they

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 still can sell it right to the state or whoever but they can't develop it this is a good example

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 of hearing what you want to hear when you said doing the environmental study to protect

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 the corridor I thought you meant to protect the environment along the corridor yeah but

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 now you mean to protect the route yes okay we understand the environment the environmental

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 process is wrought with words that don't mean what they mean because when you go to a public

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 hearing they're you they're not there to hear you you're going to say what you're going

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 to say and they're going to do what they want to do because it's done by then but if it's

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 a public meeting when you're just meeting they're going to hear what you say and make

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 changes to it that's super helpful yeah it's interesting I count on the ambiguity yeah

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 okay great thank you any other questions I have number bird that close I want to go back

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 and talk about I 35 at the 380 and this is going to be for the south entrance getting

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 on to 35 from three from 380 okay and I've noticed or I don't know it's it's nagging

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 at me that there have been some collisions at that entrance as a matter of fact we had

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 a police officer that got hit by a car and so is that would you all take a look at that

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 and look at some data and I agree with you because I come from didn't Decatur I mean

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 I come from the Decatur area all the time yeah and when you make that on ramp yeah cuz

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 I'm trying to go 35 a which means I'm cutting across in about 500 feet three lanes of traffic

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 right so the traffic coming from the south is doing 70 miles an hour and it's it is harrowing

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 the traffic coming from the north yeah I'm assuming you're saying that you're going southbound

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 yeah coming from the north and you're trying to get on to the yeah either 35 w 35 a right

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 yeah it's it's something kind of going on in that area I don't know I don't just think

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 there's a lot of people a little bit of area but we'll look at it take a look at that even

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 with my own experience trying to get on there you got somebody that's going awfully slow

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 because they don't know whether or not to stay in the left in the right lane and then

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 by the time you make a decision to get over in your left lane 18 wheeler that is just

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 like a pickup truck yeah a pickup truck so I'd appreciate that if you add that to your

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 list of things to take a look at okay thank you all right we will move on to item B receiver

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 report and hold the discussion regarding updates from the Denton County Transportation Authority

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 DCT a welcome back he stayed he stayed for two absolutely absolutely okay good morning

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 well it's good to be back with you this morning I'm here to provide you an update from DCT

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 a on the public involvement process that we have underway for our comprehensive operations

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 analysis that includes a look at the future of our fixed route and on-demand service as

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 well as the fare structure so the comprehensive operations analysis process is going to go

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 through these four main steps that will allow us like you see at the headline there to create

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 an integrated multimodal transportation system that is comprised of fixed route go zone and

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 the a train so what we're doing right now is analyzing our connect ridership to understand

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 highest times of demand across all the routes on the bus network we're looking at the go

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 zone data that we've collected since the service launched in September to understand where

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 riders are summoning rides and being picked up and then dropped off to understand travel

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 patterns we're figuring out and understanding how our fare design can can impact rider behavior

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 and where possible encourage the use of fixed routes and we're doing this while also holding

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 a number of public meetings and other public forums to gain feedback from the people who

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 use the service so that ultimately when the service decisions are made that the public

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 has the opportunity to to weigh into those even better thank you.

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 So when we talk about fare structures here are the different alternatives that we're

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 looking at number one is an alternative that says a flat fare and that's basically what

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 exists today 75 cents to ride go zone a dollar fifty to ride connect in the first half of

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 the day and no matter how far you go you you pay one price a distance based fare is one

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 in which you get onto a go zone vehicle primarily and there's a a fee for the amount of distance

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 you cover while in the vehicle think most likely of a taxi cab or an uber service something

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 like that and then a hybrid fare model is a combination of those two where there's a

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 fixed fare for certain trips maybe within a certain mileage zone and then beyond that

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 mileage zone then you would get to a place where the fare is variable based on mileage

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 also in this structure is going to be conversation around what does a fare free option look like

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 as has been requested by our board that we as we go through the process.

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 So here's what our public involvement process looks like right now we're in the process

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 like I said of reviewing services and fare models and in gaining general feedback we

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 launched a microsite at DCTA feedback net earlier this week it went live on Monday and it's

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 going to run through Tuesday May the 17th if people go to DCTA feedback net they can

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 have a number of different options in order to provide comments they can fill out a survey

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 about their ridership experience on DCTA they can go to an interactive map and put pins

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 on the map and identify points of interest and things that are interested in relative

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 to specific routes and locations in the service area there's an idea wall that allows people

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 to post just like what it says their ideas and then there's a place for just general

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 comments that runs right now like I said through May the 17th and then when that period is

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 complete then our staff will take all of the feedback that's collected there plus in a

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 number of the public forums that we have set up and we'll talk about those in a minute

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 so that they can assimilate that information and share it with our board as our board makes

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 the final decisions about the service as it will be offered in the future that's scheduled

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 right now for our June board meeting and then wanted to provide this for you and recognize

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 the text is a little small on the screen so if you needed a handout and don't have it

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 we'd be happy to provide it but this is a number of events that are upcoming for Denton

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 residents you see they are a number of virtual town halls starting next week and then we'll

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 have a table set up at the Denton community market on April the 30th a virtual town hall

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 on May the 5th will be present at the Denton veterans coalition meeting in May with a presentation

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 another virtual town hall on May the 10th an in-person public meeting on May the 11th

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 will be at social service agencies on the 12th and then to be determined what we'll

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 be doing for bike to work day and national trails day we have similar type of events

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 planned for the other areas of our of our service and so again the intent is to provide

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 people as many opportunities as possible to speak into our process just want to point

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 out Wednesday is not April 25th April 25th is not a Wednesday thank you for that I don't

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 know if maybe this is the only place if this is the only place that's wrong it doesn't

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 matter yeah 27th we'll make sure that's corrected thank you house members we still we still

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 up to questions now or yes sir do anything I'm good okay I've never a number of things

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 I appreciate you coming here and coming back I'm I'm very interested in the analysis to

435
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 come and the feedback on whether some or all that becomes you know fair free I think anything

436
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:26,400
 that makes the ride experience predictable is probably encourage ridership I know there's

437
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:32,000
 some areas where you maybe want to discourage ridership so you know that's just you know

438
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:37,840
 my you're going to hear from lots and lots of people I'm just one there are a number

439
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:42,400
 of issues that aren't kind of in the context of the fair topic that I'd love to follow

440
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:48,560
 up with you from last time sure you were brand new in the role now I expect you know every

441
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:56,760
 answer because you've been in it for a month what has have you been able to determine if

442
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:04,640
 the contract with via has in it service level agreements on wait times on safety on disability

443
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:12,640
 access so up to this point those things have been spoken to but not specifically addressed

444
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,720
 what we'll hear in this month's board meeting is an opportunity for the board to make a

445
00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:23,480
 decision on additional service that goes on would provide and I did and that the opportunity

446
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:28,800
 to talk about commitments to those sorts of things if we sign up for this amount of service

447
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:33,280
 then these are service levels that we would expect like here's our wait time here's our

448
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:38,160
 seat on availability here's our safety standard all that sort of thing we do have some of

449
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:42,160
 that teed up for this month's board meeting yeah that's that's that's great that's exactly

450
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:47,660
 my thought if you know if you're kind of opening it up again let's you know kind of make a

451
00:38:47,660 --> 00:38:54,760
 better contract and just by the way to give a little context I came today by by a go-zone

452
00:38:54,760 --> 00:39:00,760
 to City Hall and I would say there's overall a very good experience and the riders I spoke

453
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:08,520
 with and the driver were super enthusiastic but part of it is they've adjusted to an expectation

454
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:16,160
 it's not really on demand it's kind of schedule it when I ask schedule on demand the estimate

455
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,640
 given to me was 30 minutes which was great because I needed 30 minutes to get ready to

456
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:26,320
 go and then actuality was 38 minutes so it's like a low bar which was fine for me but then

457
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:31,640
 didn't meet that bar but the you know other aspects were awesome so yeah just you know

458
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,240
 if we can be clear with the public and it works for them I mean it's totally solving

459
00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:44,120
 problems for at least two riders three really including me so SLAs the the pay disparity

460
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:49,140
 on drivers issue will that come up because it's you know what I took away from our conversation

461
00:39:49,140 --> 00:39:55,160
 last time in part was we're shrinking routes because of driver shortages we have driver

462
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,560
 shortages because we don't pay as much as there are other opportunities so it's almost

463
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:02,840
 like if you were planning to shrink routes you would do that like we know we know way

464
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:07,200
 the drivers so that eventually they all go away but you know if we don't want to do that

465
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:12,360
 and we actually want to flush it out then we'd want to pay comparably so any thoughts

466
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:18,560
 on whether that's gonna come up or so you're you're speaking to fixed route yeah okay so

467
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:23,160
 we have not gotten into by the way my goes on driver was incredibly happy about her compensation

468
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:30,240
 okay great well thank you thank you for that feedback we appreciate it on the on the fixed

469
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:35,160
 route driver pay side we have not gotten in that conversation yet because we are anticipating

470
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:40,680
 what will become of the bus service and what that service will look like in the future

471
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:45,620
 anecdotally is all is all that we have right now we have heard I have understood again

472
00:40:45,620 --> 00:40:50,120
 not getting into the numbers that while our pay and darts pay might look different or

473
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:54,140
 our pay and Trinity Metro's pay might look different when you we look at total compensation

474
00:40:54,140 --> 00:40:58,720
 that is what those people pay for benefits in in those agencies versus our agency there's

475
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:03,680
 some differences there that might be favorable to us and so that's part of the conversation

476
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:08,280
 and another part of the conversation is there's there's shortages across the industry right

477
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:14,940
 now and that you see that as Dart is now offering I think I saw an ad last week for driver bonuses

478
00:41:14,940 --> 00:41:20,720
 up to $2,000 to sign on to be a new driver and so as we think about what is the or decide

479
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:23,920
 what is the the future of our bus service looks like then we obviously have to match

480
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:29,800
 our workforce to meet that we're in we find ourselves in a position right now where we

481
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,840
 we have enough drivers to deliver the service but we don't have the healthy extra what's

482
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,640
 called an extra board where when people lay off because they're ill or unable to work

483
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:42,800
 that we'd be able to bring in others so we find ourselves with a little bit of a gap

484
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,800
 there but again still able to deliver the service and we anticipate that'll get a little

485
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,200
 bit better as we move into the summer and some of the route some of the route demand

486
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:56,760
 drops off but I would say our focus first on what is the service and then how do we

487
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,240
 make sure that we can deliver that service as effectively as possible and I think the

488
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:05,160
 driver compensation comes there I'm ready you know I don't have to keep barreling through

489
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:09,200
 it's like if my questions make you want to jump in that's fine otherwise I'll keep going

490
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:13,920
 you have something you want to jump in yeah I got more but I'll keep going okay you got

491
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:23,380
 more okay so I'll just start with I'll start with just stating that because we all feel

492
00:42:23,380 --> 00:42:30,720
 entitled we're in the land of entitlement although we have significant number of shortages

493
00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:38,040
 in personnel we're still trying to build up our numbers in terms of finances you know

494
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:44,920
 it's all coming along it's it's humming along but we're we know that we have shortages in

495
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:51,120
 looking for employees everywhere yes ma'am but there's so many jobs and there's you know

496
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:59,400
 so much need but that brings me back to the scheduling part listening to this fair gentleman

497
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:08,480
 here mayor pro tem chair of this committee noting that his ride was a little bit late

498
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:13,880
 I think that's from what I've heard from folks that talk to me and put a bug in my ear that

499
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:20,520
 that's a big consternation for not wanting this service is because it's you know it's

500
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:24,760
 you got to walk down the road and then they're late it's there as you're waiting for them

501
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:30,040
 for it so you put that in your head I know that you already have it there but that right

502
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:45,880
 there is so I know that that that's probably the number one thing that I've heard for anyone

503
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:53,080
 that's spoken with me on that I want to talk about your propaganda I mean I have DCTA pulled

504
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:57,840
 up on my phone right now I'm going to tell my constituents to go ahead and go over here

505
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:02,160
 and make their statements about it as soon as I get through talking out I'll let them

506
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:08,540
 know over here but I just don't seem like it just doesn't seem like to me as I travel

507
00:44:08,540 --> 00:44:18,240
 around the city I'm not reminded of DCTA until I see one of the cars and I just seem like

508
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:26,120
 I need to be just bombarded so I can be reminded that we do have a process you know a system

509
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:32,920
 like this we're still car riders you know I might hop in my car and just go a mile you

510
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:39,660
 know up to wherever but I think maybe you all can do a better job in the propaganda

511
00:44:39,660 --> 00:44:47,780
 part you know putting reminding us through not only just Facebook and you know social

512
00:44:47,780 --> 00:44:54,240
 media or whatever but a billboard or something you know just letting us know and reminding

513
00:44:54,240 --> 00:45:00,400
 us of the service putting something in the newspaper I still receive the newspaper a

514
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:05,360
 couple of times a week I know it's digital but we still have and that's for those people

515
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:10,520
 that don't have the digital capability I never see anything come through there to remind

516
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:18,640
 me so I don't know am I wrong how are you all doing on that this is your perspective

517
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,960
 is one that's shared by a lot of people who I speak with including members of our board

518
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:27,160
 and so one of the things we'll talk about we're going to have an update an agenda item

519
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:31,640
 this at this month's board meeting about our public communications plan for this go zone

520
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:37,620
 service redesign or rather our overall service redesign in addition to just generally how

521
00:45:37,620 --> 00:45:42,040
 does DCTA present itself to the community we're going to talk about our budget for

522
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:46,560
 advertising where we spend those dollars and what the impressions are that we get back

523
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:51,680
 and and as the to the to the extent of that sentiment exists across the members of our

524
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:56,400
 board if there's decisions that are to be made about how we change our approach of advertising

525
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:01,080
 or amplify our approach to advertising certainly I would expect that to come up one of the

526
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,960
 biggest things that I could leave you with today is you know this public involvement

527
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,800
 process and that and that is the aspirational long-term thing we're on a fiscal year that

528
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,880
 ends September 30th we're about to go into budget season so if we want to talk about

529
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:17,720
 how do we get more advertising out there this is exactly the right time to do it one of

530
00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:22,160
 the things that I want to leave you with today though is our desire in the near term to get

531
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:26,520
 really good feedback from the public involvement process and so whatever you all can do to

532
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:31,240
 amplify that message and put it out to your constituents and and tell us if there's other

533
00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:35,740
 things on that that we should be present at please tell us and we'll do whatever we can

534
00:46:35,740 --> 00:46:39,560
 to make sure that we can get some sort of coverage there but we're trying to make this

535
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:44,800
 a collaborative and cohesive effort across our entire service area so certainly appreciate

536
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:49,960
 that perspective and understand where you're coming from I initially you know what I initially

537
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:57,940
 heard about it I was a constituent up in arms but right now as we've come along in the process

538
00:46:57,940 --> 00:47:03,440
 I you know warmed up to the idea that we need do need to have different you know modes of

539
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:09,000
 travel that's going to try to accommodate as many people as again in the way that they

540
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:17,480
 want to be accommodated so I appreciate the system I don't I don't appreciate failure

541
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:26,640
 so whatever we can do to make sure that everybody's getting what they need I'm all for that in

542
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:33,440
 it so the next question is do you all have employees that use their own vehicles their

543
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:40,520
 personal vehicles or is everyone in a goes on vehicle are you referring to via drivers

544
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:48,720
 via drivers the so the goes on vehicles are fleeted or a fleet that via uses leverages

545
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:55,160
 avis to provide a fleet of vehicles okay so the short answer is no they're not personal

546
00:47:55,160 --> 00:48:04,320
 vehicles okay thank you that's all I have so good I meant I imagine you might have other

547
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:09,800
 things to do in life than following our proceedings minute by minute but did you happen to follow

548
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:14,920
 the discussion yesterday a little bit yes sir so so you know you heard the focus on

549
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:19,360
 crash data and the concern about that hence you know my questions about do we have service

550
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:26,200
 level agreements but the discussion yesterday was about whether whether and how there should

551
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:33,120
 be you know a board request to investigate this but I wonder if as management you've

552
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:42,560
 already taken any steps to you know analyze the crash and safety data and related to that

553
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:48,360
 do you think there's a need for an independent review and a consultant of any kind or you

554
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:55,520
 know how how are you looking at that issue now so we we are we are thinking about this

555
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:59,800
 currently there'll be some discussion about safety performance in our board meeting this

556
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:06,120
 month federal transit administration tracks incident data on incidents per 100,000 mile

557
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:11,600
 vehicle mile basis that's that allows us to baseline performance across services where

558
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:16,400
 volumes might be different be a ridership or mileage or whatever it is and so we report

559
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:21,320
 we already report that data to the FDA the nature of on-demand transit service is it's

560
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:26,960
 fairly new in the marketplace and so FDA is is really now figuring out what this looks

561
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,380
 like and how do we track these sorts of things what we're trying to do in the conversation

562
00:49:30,380 --> 00:49:36,320
 will tee up is about how to be able to create a baseline evaluation that allows us to look

563
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:41,520
 at performance relative to all the rest of our modes and so it is it is something that

564
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,120
 we're looking at and like said expect we'll see if some more conversation on it this month's

565
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:53,800
 board meeting that happens a week from tomorrow great I have one more if I may just just a

566
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:59,920
 pure speculation now occasionally we hear from people who are engaged with public transit

567
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:08,360
 and and concerned about current low ridership on connect and you know we hear others two

568
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:13,320
 per hour five per hour on some routes would it ever be part of the solution set that you

569
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:18,400
 consider to have the same driver same page same everything but would there be any benefit

570
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:24,960
 to right right sizing right sizing the vehicle in terms of fuel usage environmental impact

571
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:31,360
 impact on roads I mean given that there is a fleet of vans yeah they're there for you

572
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:36,320
 know I don't know you see where I'm going yes sir I do and the concept of right sizing

573
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:41,960
 the the product for the demand is something that also is going to be in this month's conversation

574
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:48,280
 we've been able to get so a pretty granular look at our connector out data not just by

575
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:52,800
 route but also by route by time of day that allows us to see where demand is peaking and

576
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:58,000
 where it seems efficient more efficient and less efficient to offer that product and and

577
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:04,120
 so again well I expect that we'll have a good conversation about that next week I know

578
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:10,400
 we have a great representative who will report back to us and from people here from two sources

579
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:15,920
 so that's right anything else anyone else thank you so much I really appreciate you

580
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:20,720
 giving us a chance to have you know these ongoing discussions no problem thank you all

581
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:26,880
 for having me have a great day thank you bye bye oh wait one last question what can we

582
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:34,440
 do to help yeah is there anything we can do to help thank you for that question um thank

583
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:38,320
 you for all the questions thank you especially for that one thank you especially for that

584
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:45,160
 one one kind question so the the theme that I am bringing with me in this interim role

585
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:50,080
 that I find myself in is one of alignment and it's really important that our agency

586
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:55,120
 is aligned with our member cities and the county and all of our stakeholders and that

587
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,680
 doesn't require a hundred percent agreement on all the issues but it means that there's

588
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:03,640
 a chunk of issues and a chunk of things that we can't agree and align upon and so the

589
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:08,360
 opportunity to engage in that dialogue in a constructive and effective manner is the

590
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:13,120
 biggest thing part of the way to do that is to help us echo the opportunity for this public

591
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:20,520
 engagement process as we think about what the future of fixed route service looks like

592
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:24,400
 the opportunity to have conversations with city staff as we come up with some ideas and

593
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:28,400
 say hey what if this is what data tells us but you know the story behind the data so

594
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:33,800
 let's talk about what that what that is and we can incorporate that as well that that's

595
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:41,440
 where that's where the value add can can be and so i've had been in contact with sarah

596
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:45,840
 and i'll be seeing david hopefully here in a few minutes as i go back to our offices

597
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:49,640
 and we'll talk about how we how we might be able to get together and do those have those

598
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:53,960
 sorts of conversations coming up in early may after we get through this board meeting

599
00:52:53,960 --> 00:53:00,120
 i certainly have my my pledge to amplify the call for public involvement and i'm confident

600
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:10,360
 that my colleagues will do that as well okay thank you yep thank you all okay we're ready

601
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:16,720
 for item d receive a presentation and hold a discussion regarding king's way development

602
00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:21,960
 as it relates to the overall development approval process existing traffic conditions project

603
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:27,560
 traffic impacts slash mitigations and capital improvement projects you're trying to drag

604
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:34,900
 it that drag that out thank you thank you good morning pre-tendation transportation planning

605
00:53:34,900 --> 00:53:42,720
 thank you for the opportunity to present this item chair members of the committee oops it's

606
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:48,640
 been a while since i've been here so i'm here to talk about this particular item i do have

607
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:54,440
 it's a tech team presentation i do have julie here i'm not expert in planning and development

608
00:53:54,440 --> 00:54:00,480
 as it goes so she'll be helping me with some of the aspects of the presentation the way

609
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:04,960
 it's set up i'll start with the presentation julie jump in for a couple slides and then

610
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:12,360
 i'll wrap it up if you have any questions feel free to jump in and ask those questions

611
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:19,840
 so here's a quick overview we will be looking at the timeline some background history talk

612
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:26,080
 specifically about the king's way development project traffic is obviously the primary concern

613
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:31,640
 most of the times any development goes in and then what are the rights that come with

614
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:39,120
 new development projects and they their proportionality or responsibilities towards public infrastructure

615
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:45,680
 so here's a this is the question that was asked how did we get here and a brief history

616
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:51,320
 or timeline of this particular development i want to start here at the bottom if you

617
00:54:51,320 --> 00:55:00,360
 look at the parcel map back in 1986 this particular area you can see king's row here's 428 just

618
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:07,160
 to align everyone in this room and then this is the plot that came in this is the area

619
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:13,680
 of request so that was subdivided you see there is no loop 288 in this map and here's

620
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:20,720
 an aerial that kind of goes with it i kind of drew the alignment where the loop would

621
00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:25,960
 would exist at the time but it was not existing and you can see kings row kind of making that

622
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:33,560
 angle and going and connecting to this newly plotted subdivision back in the day by 1995

623
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:39,600
 you can see this is an aerial loop came in text doc constructed the loop they created

624
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:47,040
 that intersection with the existing king's way which was right here didn't exist and

625
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:53,680
 then it was followed by in 2002 this land was already zoned for residential development

626
00:55:53,680 --> 00:56:00,040
 so i'm talking about all of this area that's on this side was already zoned for residential

627
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:06,100
 development and early 2000 everyone knows things started accelerating within the denton

628
00:56:06,100 --> 00:56:12,640
 county and counties around us and development picked up city when the plans would come in

629
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:18,120
 when development would come in if it would fall within the zoning and you know it kind

630
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:23,920
 of was approved through all the criteria that the city had city was obligated to get those

631
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:31,820
 plans approved and this was followed by state some state legislature that limited the cities

632
00:56:31,820 --> 00:56:36,080
 to really control the capabilities to address land uses within the etj and the reason i

633
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:42,200
 bring it up is if you can follow the cursor this is the boundary back in 1986 and early

634
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:48,080
 days this is the city boundary you can see that it follows the 428 but then it ends and

635
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:53,640
 this at the time was etj so that's that's kind of important to know that there are parcels

636
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:58,000
 back in the day they were in the etj and now they may be in the city but we do have a lot

637
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:06,720
 of parcels in the etj so kings way development particularly the current zoning if you may

638
00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:12,120
 back in 2002 as i mentioned it was platted but the established zoning at the time was

639
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:19,000
 neighborhood residential four and neighborhood residential and mixed to use 12 the reason

640
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:23,920
 the number four and 12 are interesting because i just learned that is you could develop four

641
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:33,180
 lots in an acre and then 12 lots in an acre so i'm getting there slowly and then the so

642
00:57:33,180 --> 00:57:41,160
 this happened in 2002 and then that with our updates and all the dvc updates we the zoning

643
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:47,760
 updates that we had we transitioned those particular types of land uses to r4 and r7

644
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:53,680
 so you can see it's kind of hard to see here but if you zoom in into the small little map

645
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:59,160
 here there's a little piece down here which looks like this that's an r7 and then the

646
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:06,240
 rest of this was r4 zone so based on the current zoning that we have a developer can come in

647
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:11,760
 and if he follows all the rules and criteria manuals and regulations they can easily add

648
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:19,840
 a 328 single-family residential and residential mixed use lots within that particular development

649
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:26,740
 and this and for this particular development a plenary plat was approved back in november

650
00:58:26,740 --> 00:58:35,800
 of last year so i wanted to touch on traffic as i mentioned during the conversations that

651
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:40,880
 multiple conversations we have had about the development a big component was the school

652
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:46,200
 traffic circulation that was brought up a lot of residents showed up and they discussed

653
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:51,920
 how all the school traffic the traffic related to school was backed up and it was really

654
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:58,480
 difficult for anyone to get through this area so a little bit of history and background

655
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:04,240
 on most of the schools that we currently have all the schools that were planned back in

656
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:11,160
 1990 and before they were designed so that particularly designed for people or students

657
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:18,080
 to walk to school there was no driving involved or if a school had a larger area attendance

658
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:23,000
 area they were bussed so there was really two only options so when a school was designed

659
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:28,800
 it was never designed to accommodate stacking accommodate queuing accommodate parents waiting

660
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:34,320
 and parents dropping kids off so that none of these were as part of the design features

661
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:40,400
 implemented as such after the 1990s the trend changed and a lot of people are now moving

662
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:46,520
 and parents don't want their kids walking to school it's that whole the the paradigm

663
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:52,360
 has shipped where parents want to drop their kids off and all of the schools it's not just

664
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:57,880
 this one school or several schools in the city it's throughout the nation i came here

665
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:03,920
 from california few years ago i had the same issues and problems in in schools there all

666
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:10,160
 elementary schools are facing the same issue is how do we deal with this influx of traffic

667
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:16,640
 and parents which mind me i mean it doesn't last a whole lot long it is 15 to 30 minutes

668
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:23,800
 depending on the school and the attendance number of students attending the school so

669
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:31,040
 and and it is also not during the regular peak hours which are after 4 30 so it's a

670
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:36,160
 really brief short period of time where things back up so what i have we have done in the

671
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:40,920
 past we've worked with multiple schools throughout the city and everywhere else is we come over

672
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:47,480
 the plan we work with pd staff our engineering staff is also involved and then we talked

673
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:52,920
 to the principal come up with some solutions of how can we address this safely create some

674
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:58,440
 space for people to wait and as you can see i've pointed out in the slide these roadways

675
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:03,880
 that are designed the deerwood parkway as well as grant parkway all of them were wide

676
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:10,600
 roadways designed so you have space on one side and we've worked with schools to reserve

677
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:18,240
 that space during that particular school hours if we don't allow parking there then the parents

678
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:24,400
 can actually wait there to pick up their kids so that's a solution that we've come up as

679
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:28,640
 an interim in the long term what we're doing is we're working with schools and creating

680
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:35,680
 more areas for actually stacking and on site and creating that drop off areas better drop

681
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:43,040
 off in circulation areas so that's what these this was the issue that was brought up and

682
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:48,600
 we have particularly this school we've worked with the principal our pd staff has worked

683
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:53,920
 with them and come up with a safer solution a safe solution for everyone to get in and

684
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:59,400
 out of this neighborhood and with this i'm going to transition to julie i'm not there

685
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:07,360
 yet to talk about all of this planning stuff i'll get there soon good morning julie wyatt

686
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:11,720
 senior planner with the city of denton and i'm just going to take a brief moment to talk

687
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:18,760
 about development more generally so the city like all cities within the state of texas

688
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:24,040
 they get their authority to control development through really two tools within the texas

689
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:32,200
 local government code there are sections 211 and 212 one is zoning and y'all are familiar

690
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:40,340
 with that you see us come before you with with public hearings for rezoning zoning establishes

691
01:02:40,340 --> 01:02:44,880
 the rules for the development of a site so when you look at our city you see all of the

692
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:50,240
 colors each of those colors corresponds to a zoning district and when within each of

693
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:56,840
 those districts our development standards it can can impact the permitted uses it can

694
01:02:56,840 --> 01:03:03,560
 impact the the intensity of the development on the site so a lot setbacks building heights

695
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:09,840
 so those are the things that zoning controls now cities aren't required to have comprehensive

696
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:15,320
 plans but if they do have comprehensive plans their zoning should correspond with that comprehensive

697
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:21,300
 plan so zoning should look at our comp plan and it should follow that either in in terms

698
01:03:21,300 --> 01:03:27,160
 of that future land use map or or other goals within that plan the zoning regulations can

699
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:32,500
 vary from district to district so for instance in the city of denton r4 requires a minimum

700
01:03:32,500 --> 01:03:39,000
 lot size of 7000 square feet and a maximum building height of 40 feet but that can vary

701
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:45,220
 from different zoning districts so li will have a different lot size requirement or use

702
01:03:45,220 --> 01:03:52,080
 permitted uses but they should correspond throughout the city so for instance r4 in

703
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:57,800
 the northeast side of town should be consistent in rules and application of those rules in

704
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:03,000
 the southeast part of town so it should it should broadly each of them should be the

705
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:09,960
 same throughout throughout the city so that's one of our tools within the toolbox that we

706
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:15,280
 have to affect development within our city now zoning is discretionary as you know you

707
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:20,400
 make decisions based upon the criteria for approval within the within the development

708
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:27,320
 code in our comprehensive plan our other tool however is ministerial and that is platting

709
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:34,200
 that is that technical document that establishes lot boundaries and provides for the orderly

710
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:39,120
 development of the city and extension of public improvements so when we look at a plat when

711
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:43,760
 a plat is submitted to the city of course we're looking to make sure that it conforms to that

712
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:49,680
 zoning those lot sizes are consistent with the zoning and we also look at that public

713
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:55,040
 improvement piece and while the plat is that document it's a it's a public document when

714
01:04:55,040 --> 01:05:00,600
 it is a when that final plat is approved it's recorded at denton county but there is a a

715
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:06,160
 whole host of other documents that are in the background working on plats looking at

716
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:12,440
 those those streets water wastewater and drainage that really establish whether a development

717
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:17,960
 meets those standards within the city of denton so those are those are the two options that

718
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:24,160
 we have within the city to impact zoning and development rights and i just should should

719
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:30,400
 state that while zoning r4 is treated um the same uh on the northeast side of town as is

720
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:36,760
 the southeast side of town so those rules um do are are consistent um platting is one

721
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:41,240
 of those things that once a plat meets the technical requirements within the city of

722
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:48,800
 denton it has to be approved per state law so so just to keep that in mind so that was

723
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:54,800
 within the city but as as pretem mentioned we have a whole lot of etj particularly on

724
01:05:54,800 --> 01:06:01,680
 the north side of our city as well as on the west side of our city and um and we still

725
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:07,920
 have one tool within the toolbox to impact that development but we don't have land use

726
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:13,040
 authority so we don't have zoning and so on your slide zoning is is grayed out that that

727
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:20,280
 is not with within our our grasp so we can't we can't regulate those permitted uses the

728
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:27,680
 development intensity the densities within the that etj but we do have within our etj

729
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:33,520
 one we have platting authority and once again we are looking at that technical document

730
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:39,840
 looking to make sure that there it facilitates the orderly development extends the roads

731
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:45,480
 or water and wastewater where necessary and once again it is that ministerial document

732
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:50,440
 that once it meets those technical requirements it does have to be approved by the planning

733
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:55,800
 and zoning commission or staff if it's an administratively approved plat um so those

734
01:06:55,800 --> 01:07:01,040
 are the the two um elements related to development rights broadly and now i'm going to kick it

735
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:10,240
 back over to pretemps so he can talk about proportionality thank you julie and so one

736
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:15,520
 last piece remaining from the development perspective you saw what we could do as far

737
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:20,160
 as when the development comes in what rights we have and what rights they have uh the last

738
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:27,200
 piece to this is uh what is the the developer responsible for uh implementing or constructing

739
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:33,080
 or putting it together as far as public infrastructure is concerned so how much can a developer put

740
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:37,600
 in and that is uh pretty much proportional to the development that they're coming up

741
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:43,320
 with so here uh in the first bullet point i've kind of bolded the area which which

742
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:51,320
 talks about not just our code ddc but the texas uh local government code um section

743
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:57,160
 that really clearly defines that if a developer comes in and there is a certain cost of improving

744
01:07:57,160 --> 01:08:04,040
 improvement for you know widening a roadway adding a lane adding a signal then the developer

745
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:10,100
 is only responsible for the proportion that he's adding so if a developer comes in he

746
01:08:10,100 --> 01:08:15,280
 has 100 trips that are added and they're just adjacent roadway it has already has thousand

747
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:21,200
 trips he's only responsible for that 10 percent of the uh total uh change or development or

748
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:27,160
 upgrade needed so that's where uh it becomes tricky to implement the whole development

749
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:32,680
 when there is no remaining 90 percent cost identified right when the development is coming

750
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:38,720
 in so that's where um we're kind of bound by some of these rules and regulations of

751
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:45,960
 how we could implement um some of these improvements so just based on that what can we ask of the

752
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:51,360
 developer a lot of times we negotiate and say here this is these are the things that

753
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:55,520
 you need to implement in order to make it make a successful project and what they can

754
01:08:55,520 --> 01:09:01,560
 do is up to that proportionality level they can implement certain infrastructure uh such

755
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:09,180
 as a lane or some of the signal improvements a partial signal improvement partial um putting

756
01:09:09,180 --> 01:09:13,560
 in one left turn lane instead of the whole intersection getting widened so those are

757
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:18,200
 the things or the second option the developer has is to pay into the roadway impact fees

758
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:25,360
 so what that does is kind of puts the money in a puts the developer's money in a pot of

759
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:30,960
 money that the city can use at a later time to construct and build the infrastructure

760
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:35,360
 in that particular area so those are the two things either they go implement it immediately

761
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:40,120
 as part of their development some of the improvements that are in there or give it to the city as

762
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:44,020
 part of roadway impact fees and that's why those impact fees are so critical because

763
01:09:44,020 --> 01:09:49,360
 they help us uh look at our infrastructure surrounding all these developer developments

764
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:56,200
 that are coming in and plan for for a better um network plan for a better uh public connections

765
01:09:56,200 --> 01:10:02,200
 and transportation system in the area and that kind of wraps up what we have to say

766
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:10,080
 questions open for anything actually if i may uh i i really appreciate the just the

767
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:14,640
 grounding that you've given us uh and i really appreciate how much more julie knows than

768
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:25,360
 pre-tem but uh what do you what do you want from us what do you hope you know what would

769
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:35,160
 you like to uh have us do in this session just understand no it was more of an informational

770
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:42,440
 piece because a lot of times when the developments come in uh the question is always asked hey

771
01:10:42,440 --> 01:10:47,760
 how much traffic is it impacting why aren't they fixing the current traffic issues because

772
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:52,920
 a lot of times the background is missing you tend to okay whatever is happening today needs

773
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:58,160
 to be fixed by the developer no it's more of yes as a city as a whole community we need

774
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:05,320
 to plan and fix it as a long-term project the developer is only intended to contribute

775
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:09,920
 towards the piece that he's adding so that that was more this is more of an answering

776
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:14,360
 your question and more educational it's nothing that uh it's there was no action needed at

777
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:18,880
 this point kind of expectation setting i appreciate you you clarifying that that the reason the

778
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:24,800
 developer is only responsible for their portion is because of the texas local government code

779
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:29,480
 not because that's just how we want it to be because of course we would not prefer for

780
01:11:29,480 --> 01:11:36,920
 it to be that way we want the whole thing widened right yes that's from rebecca i'm

781
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:44,360
 a lifelong learner and i have really really appreciated this learning experience uh that

782
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:51,680
 you all have given us and um if you would go back to that picture that showed go back

783
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:56,920
 a little bit that showed the um area view that right there no back right there that's

784
01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:04,960
 the one uh that captured my attention and so as as this uh community was um voicing

785
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:13,880
 its concern about this new development coming in i was a bit um i don't know what other

786
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:21,560
 word to use other than confused i was a bit confused as to what really was their issue

787
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:28,080
 was it the roadway or was it the fact that this development was coming in and i had even

788
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:33,200
 heard that they were concerned about the smaller houses you know they had gotten really really

789
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:38,540
 deep into you know into the situation that we don't want these little small houses why

790
01:12:38,540 --> 01:12:43,560
 are they you know mistreating and so it was a variety of types of uh dwellings that were

791
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:49,960
 going to come in but i i was just it just seemed like they were more concerned about

792
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:58,320
 that point and what was going on in the development versus the roadway so now let me go back and

793
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:05,400
 put this on kindergarten level because that's where i am right now um just looking at that

794
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:09,560
 road right there i know that there was some plans that was going to happen with that kings

795
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:15,640
 is that kingswood row is that called kings row kings row something was gonna have to

796
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:20,000
 give in that area anyway at some point i think there was some concessions or something like

797
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:26,800
 that with the developer was going to add in additional lane um or left turn lane or right

798
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:32,320
 turn lane widen it out it was something that was going to change there but i don't know

799
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:37,480
 what is that other road that just goes kings road that ends dead ends there and then goes

800
01:13:37,480 --> 01:13:42,520
 straight up and then turns left right at that parking lot where that school not right there

801
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:50,040
 go straight up go straight ahead that road and then that right there that's a paris road

802
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:57,720
 that's uh that's a road but there is a cafeteria that is at that school and i might be getting

803
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:04,520
 the the school uh mixed up because i'm thinking about evers elementary and this school is the

804
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:12,520
 exact same school same layout literally the same layout and so right now i might be getting

805
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:18,720
 uh confused because i have subbed at evers and i have subbed at this school numerous

806
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:25,600
 times and they literally look the exact same way to the flooring walls everything okay

807
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:32,960
 so i was wondering why haven't we given the the parents which by the way these are grandparents

808
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:38,680
 you're not necessarily parents these are grandparents that have a lot of time on their hands uh giving

809
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:44,280
 them the the opportunity to go straight down that kings road go back up to that right go

810
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:51,240
 up and come back in and pick those kids up from that cafeteria rather than picking them

811
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:59,460
 up from where i've even put kids in cars uh in the front part of that school that will

812
01:14:59,460 --> 01:15:04,500
 clear up all of this consternation you know from this other street what's the name of

813
01:15:04,500 --> 01:15:10,520
 that street going up through there that little curvy street this is grand parkway yeah and

814
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:15,320
 just run them back behind that have we had a discussion on that do you all know is this

815
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:20,560
 the right uh is this the right well we'd have to talk to the school about i know but they

816
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:24,960
 say that they do talk to the schools they have conversations with the schools to alleviate

817
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:31,160
 some of that traffic that sits there now here's my experience when i was a teacher out of

818
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:38,400
 savannah elementary school my classroom stay was in the back so i my classroom overlooked

819
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:46,040
 the back parking lot and that was also the pickup spot for the parents i could look schools

820
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:53,800
 out at 250 and look out my window and 150 one o'clock those parents are out there waiting

821
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:58,480
 it's always the same parents grandparents with their little puppy dogs and their cell

822
01:15:58,480 --> 01:16:06,680
 phones so is there and i know they didn't come early what's the conversation on on something

823
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:11,040
 like that okay so you touched several points there are several people are going to answer

824
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:15,960
 bits and pieces of it let's put it all together i think becky may have some also to add and

825
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:24,240
 tina as well but as far as the circulation yes we have talked to the school principal

826
01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:28,520
 what they're trying to do is when they come in this is a wider road you cannot really

827
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:33,560
 stack people here and still have access for the people that live around here so what they

828
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:40,760
 do is they come in here and then they leave using this path outside so none of the traffic

829
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:46,320
 will come back but becky may have more details about that so we've worked out a circulation

830
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:50,880
 school principal and staff is really happy with the way we've worked things out pd is

831
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:56,800
 happy because they are the ones that get called if there are issues enforcement issues they're

832
01:16:56,800 --> 01:17:01,960
 always out there they also manage the crossing guard program so they also have people that

833
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:06,680
 the crossing guards giving them more information of what's happening so based on all of this

834
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:11,840
 they've worked up a solution and everyone with the school staff is happy with the way

835
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:16,880
 circulation and becky if you want to add anything i think you did a fabulous job the only thing

836
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:22,080
 i would add was with the conversations that we had we had actually come up with some alternative

837
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:26,800
 circulation patterns like you're discussing similarly and looked at several different

838
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:32,240
 options and when we had those conversations and nathan and i were both a part of those

839
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:37,800
 they really were happy with what pd had done and how they're on site they are actually

840
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:43,720
 have two stacking lanes that allows for children to be picked up and dropped off and the principal's

841
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:49,080
 main concern was the safety of the children and the teachers and that ability for them

842
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:54,040
 to have the children go into the vehicles as they're you know obviously leaving site

843
01:17:54,040 --> 01:18:00,080
 so i will tell you that um you know through multiple conversations we said if you have

844
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:06,560
 concerns or this continues to cause issues please let us know and she said i don't want

845
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:10,920
 to make any modifications i'm very pleased with the way that it's operating right now

846
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:16,520
 and we're very pleased with pd's presence and she said you know it's our preference

847
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:21,000
 at this time to leave it the way we currently have it configured our teachers feel safe we

848
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:26,440
 feel like our students can be placed in their cars in a safe manner and she said really

849
01:18:26,440 --> 01:18:31,680
 from a traffic flow perspective you know it's only just that certain time block of when

850
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:37,480
 people are sitting there and and i mean i've seen the same things myself with you know

851
01:18:37,480 --> 01:18:41,600
 individuals getting there quite early i'd love to have that much time on my hands that

852
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:47,880
 i could sit there for an hour but not something i have time to do but you know i would just

853
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:53,760
 say that we have that constant conversation we actually meet monthly with disd2 and if

854
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:58,680
 there's opportunities or questions that are brought up um this same school is configured

855
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:05,760
 like several um in in the area so i think they found a you know a location and a site

856
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:11,800
 layout that worked for them and they like to replicate that um but you know i'll just

857
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:18,080
 tell you councilmember we had similar conversations so far as we actually had routing maps that

858
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:22,200
 we were putting together we had been planning to actually have a community meeting in this

859
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:26,780
 area and the principal said you know what we've solved these problems we've worked

860
01:19:26,780 --> 01:19:30,960
 with the police department we're comfortable with the way that it's currently um circulating

861
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:36,160
 in this area and you know with that we took her word and and you know listened to her

862
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:40,480
 concerns and you know she was confident with what was happening but that door is always

863
01:19:40,480 --> 01:19:46,040
 open if um you know she feels like that that that position changes but at this time we're

864
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:52,080
 very comfortable with what's happening in this area so what's why why are the people

865
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:57,400
 complaining so a couple things i mean when a new development comes in the most visible

866
01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:03,840
 aspect is traffic everyone complains and a lot of times i want to point out it's a perceived

867
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:10,420
 uh issue not necessarily that it's congestion it's more of okay there was some operation

868
01:20:10,420 --> 01:20:16,280
 deficiencies on the school traffic and now if we've fixed it there is no real capacity

869
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:21,000
 issues during the p cars people can really get in and out of this neighborhood so that's

870
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:26,400
 where the perception comes in for peak 15 minutes during off-peak cars school time yes

871
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:32,960
 there's congestion and everyone agrees that's all over us but so that was the main concern

872
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:37,880
 that they could only point out to us traffic but the issue and julie can answer better

873
01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:42,880
 is the addition of these homes in the back it's like not in my backyard like any other

874
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:48,080
 person and then one more thing i think tina is here for that is that the improvements

875
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:53,600
 at that intersection were part of the plan development and do we can explain what a plan

876
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:59,480
 development is better but it was negotiated through that plan development and it is not

877
01:20:59,480 --> 01:21:05,160
 currently or not required by any developer that comes in and wants to put in 328 homes

878
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:10,440
 under the zoning the traffic study clearly says that it's not required for that particular

879
01:21:10,440 --> 01:21:16,440
 development so those improvements went away when the plan development was not approved

880
01:21:16,440 --> 01:21:23,600
 and that's that's how it works when staff tries to put in as much as possible and get

881
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:30,880
 improvements in place sooner than later okay and by the way i do realize that this is not

882
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:37,680
 a mobility thing but i'm just just curious as to you know what was the big complaint

883
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:43,440
 other than the fact that it's a new neighborhood coming in well and in and as you just said

884
01:21:43,440 --> 01:21:47,200
 it in this pre-tem pointed to and i guess my apologies tina fergans deputy director

885
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:53,680
 of development services for the record so many of the residents out there did not want

886
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:58,680
 the development at all okay so it goes back to as pre-tem said not in my backyard that

887
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:04,160
 that whole nimby aspect right and and that's something that we deal with on a regular basis

888
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:08,200
 a property owner that has zoning in place has development rights so they have the the

889
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:11,960
 ability to be able to develop their property okay texas is a very property rights friendly

890
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:16,300
 state and and as julie illustrated you know with the with the the framework of the texas

891
01:22:16,300 --> 01:22:20,640
 local government code that we have to work within but what i would ask you though is

892
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:26,320
 as decision makers on city council is that look at the bigger picture right in this case

893
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:31,480
 with the plan development we were able to negotiate some of the additional improvements

894
01:22:31,480 --> 01:22:35,200
 that the developer would otherwise not be required to do and in hindsight it's always

895
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:39,520
 2020 right so we have the opportunity to sit back and reflect you know on this particular

896
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:44,520
 situation we knew that there were some challenges out there the developer was willing to offer

897
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:48,560
 up making certain improvements and one of the ways that we're able to get them to commit

898
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:52,520
 to making those improvements was in the plan development district ordinance the developer

899
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:57,960
 was also asking for some for some allowances as well you might view most trade-offs or

900
01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:02,720
 additional entitlements however that case may be but they were also asking for to be

901
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:07,320
 able to deviate from the existing zoning you know in the end from a mobility standpoint

902
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:10,720
 where the plan development district was concerned we were going to get some additional improvements

903
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:15,000
 that we're not getting today but where i go back to is asking you all as elected officials

904
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:28,040
 is and to me this is remember this is the hand that we're dealt with okay this is how

905
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:34,440
 we got to where we are today we have other areas throughout the city where where we weren't

906
01:23:34,440 --> 01:23:38,600
 as effective in our planning way back in the day that's not to say that the people in that

907
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:42,080
 are in our positions 20 years ago did not know what they were doing you know they were

908
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:45,340
 making decisions based upon their crystal ball that they had at that time based upon

909
01:23:45,340 --> 01:23:49,520
 trends and development that they were seeing happening and trying to plan accordingly for

910
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:53,800
 it today you know we're similar situation right we're dealing with some of those decisions

911
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:57,760
 that were made back then we're dealing with how property has developed over time and so

912
01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:01,760
 we're dealing with the constraints that that we have we try to be influential where we

913
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:07,360
 can be but but what i would ask you to take into consideration is when the not in my backyard

914
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:11,760
 or folks in opposition to just development in general don't want it to happen they're

915
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:15,160
 going to come at you and they're going to try and find any little item that they can

916
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:21,640
 to chisel away at the request to to help better make their position on why this is why this

917
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:25,160
 development would be a bad thing for the area you know we're we're looking at it from a

918
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:29,160
 standpoint of okay if this development is going to happen making sure that we can one

919
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:32,600
 that our development requirements are being met to are we making sure that the improvements

920
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:36,440
 are being done in the best interest of the city so what i ask you to balance what we

921
01:24:36,440 --> 01:24:41,000
 as your professional staff are telling you in balance that with what the the feedback

922
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:44,120
 that you're getting from the residents i would ask you look at the bigger picture you know

923
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:48,000
 and looking at identifying where the improvements that we're trying to make this also goes back

924
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:51,400
 to the conversations that we had when we were working on the mobility plan and the comprehensive

925
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:56,440
 plan and getting that adopted i know there was some concern regarding adding certain roadways

926
01:24:56,440 --> 01:25:01,920
 within our mobility plan network but as i shared with you back then and i'll reiterate

927
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:06,840
 today if we don't try to plan for the future now then we're setting ourselves up for challenges

928
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:11,080
 much later on much of like what we're dealing with today as mr pollster mentioned when he

929
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:15,240
 was here earlier you know in their analysis of 380 the cars aren't going anywhere right

930
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:21,560
 they're going to continue to add to the area and so how best do we plan for the improvements

931
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:25,200
 that we have the ability to influence so i just ask you keep that bigger picture in

932
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:29,960
 mind as you're considering these development requests that come before you look to see

933
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:34,040
 okay what are what are the positives that we could potentially get out of it i know

934
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:37,840
 plan development districts are sometimes seen as the the evil zoning right because the developers

935
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:40,480
 want something out of it but realize that there could be some good things that we're

936
01:25:40,480 --> 01:25:44,680
 getting out of it as well but i think it's multifaceted one we need to think long term

937
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:49,720
 we have to think bigger picture we need to try to plan as best as we can for our community

938
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:54,200
 as we look to the future we're making decisions today regarding development that may not happen

939
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:58,400
 you know 10 years from now could be 20 years from now you know our dent in 2040 plan right

940
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:02,400
 we're trying to project that far ahead so just ask you to keep that bigger picture framework

941
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:07,040
 but also when we come to you and we're telling you this is why we believe we need to plan

942
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:11,000
 for certain infrastructure within these areas of our community that there's there's a reason

943
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:16,760
 why we're making those recommendations to you if i may as long as we're having a little

944
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:29,840
 group therapy you know a key word in describing our position is elected and i absolutely take

945
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:38,880
 responsibility to as i see the need you know to try to lead and challenge you know the

946
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:44,880
 community but you know it's within the context of representing the community right so i don't

947
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:55,160
 have the the privilege when there's a massive uh constituent concerns to to kind of wave

948
01:26:55,160 --> 01:27:03,520
 it off and say nimby you know i mean it's to me it's my job to understand what's what's

949
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:07,480
 the legitimate driver i mean people aren't you know they don't take time out of their

950
01:27:07,480 --> 01:27:13,200
 lives when they could be just doing anything else uh you know just with no reason at all

951
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:21,320
 uh and and they maybe maybe there are places where we're there's a reason to question whether

952
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:25,960
 there should be development or not and i and i and i get the message that yeah it doesn't

953
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:31,640
 mean it's all in the developer to fix it but they're coming to us to say you know help

954
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:38,240
 this doesn't make sense to us okay if it should be you know more of a city wide and a coordinated

955
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:45,960
 response and long-term short-term okay however it needs to be done but uh yeah i just you

956
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:51,280
 know uh i can't just wave them off that's not our job well and that's why i go back

957
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:55,600
 to it it's a balanced effort right in trying to make that decision and i don't envy you

958
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:59,760
 because you you are in a difficult position right um you have a team of professionals

959
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:03,720
 that's providing their best professional recommendations to you but you also have your elected constituents

960
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:08,200
 right so the folks that voted you into office so you're trying to be respective and listening

961
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:13,120
 to them in trying to balance their concerns with also then the request that's coming before

962
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:17,400
 you and then the professional recommendations you're receiving so you're in a definitely

963
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:22,280
 a challenging position right and know that you know with our team our goal is so as long

964
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:27,600
 as you feel a little bit bad for us i've had people say to me why don't you run for city

965
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:30,940
 council where you live and i'm like no i work with them on a regular basis and know the

966
01:28:30,940 --> 01:28:35,800
 challenges that they go through so but um but but you are you you definitely have that

967
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:40,760
 difficult decision um or that in in challenging responsibility associated with the decisions

968
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:44,840
 that you're after you're having to make so you know know that with our team we're trying

969
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:49,480
 to give you the best information available for you to make informed decisions and so

970
01:28:49,480 --> 01:28:52,680
 that that's our goal is that you're able to make informed decision at the end of the day

971
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:56,480
 if you're not wanting to vote in favor you know as long as you're making an informed

972
01:28:56,480 --> 01:28:59,960
 decision and we've given you the best information as possible make that decision that that's

973
01:28:59,960 --> 01:29:05,360
 the goal that i have for my team in in being able to assist you so but it's it's um but

974
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:09,600
 i just like i said disaster remember you know that you're right we the developer is not

975
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:13,800
 going to be able to fix all the problems within an area that's why we try to have the foresight

976
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:19,600
 our team collectively on being able to plan appropriately whether it's roadway infrastructure

977
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:23,760
 water and wastewater infrastructure land use development whatever um you know other city

978
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:27,560
 facilities fire stations police stations whatever the case may be you know we're trying to look

979
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:31,280
 ahead and and make the best possible decisions for our community so that we can advise you

980
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:35,320
 accordingly i just want y'all to remember that i did grudgingly vote for the i just

981
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:39,880
 remember you did because i had i had to listen i'm happy about it but i did it and i grudgingly

982
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:44,920
 voted yes you did right and i do recall your comment you know i don't want any of it but

983
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:49,640
 if i if in the interest of improved mobility and in fixing the situation that this is the

984
01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:55,720
 this is the less bad of two bad options and frankly i acknowledged there were things that

985
01:29:55,720 --> 01:30:01,640
 were uh definitely superior about the pd that versus what could be done by right and my

986
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:08,520
 conversations with constituents were you get that right you know you get this with the pd

987
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:14,120
 you're still against it yes why you know i mean like that's part of the job of challenging leading

988
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:19,960
 but anyway uh i think pds get a bad name from time to time because of like from the 80s right

989
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:23,160
 and then especially with the land use development and what have you that's being done and now we're

990
01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:28,680
 dealing with decisions made from the 80s and and pds that were granted back then and and obviously

991
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:33,560
 we've learned a lot since then and and um and there's there's a there's a reason when planned

992
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:38,520
 development districts um should be used in this case with the kingsway development um one of the

993
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:43,640
 reasons that was working to the city's benefit was the additional um roadway improvements that

994
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:48,120
 were being done that the developer is otherwise not required to be able to do so so but like i

995
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:53,080
 said yeah time has passed it's always hindsight's always 20 20 right and and we can talk about what

996
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:57,640
 are some of the lessons that we learned from that experience okay can we join in kumbaya around the

997
01:30:57,640 --> 01:31:03,560
 fact that we have prioritized this area along with southeast denton and downtown for a small area plan

998
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:08,600
 absolutely so and and thank you again that's that traditional plug absolutely you know i was on my

999
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:13,480
 soapbox for the longest time you know as we work on the area plan for northeast denton the mobility

1000
01:31:13,480 --> 01:31:17,480
 component is going to be one of the big components that we look at and i know we made that commitment

1001
01:31:17,480 --> 01:31:21,960
 to council as we work through the adoption of the conference of plan and also the mobility plan so

1002
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:26,680
 that that is first and foremost on the list of things that that project will address i think

1003
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:32,440
 we're just about out of time we'll have therapy again thank you you're welcome thank you

1004
01:31:32,440 --> 01:31:42,120
 all right let me pull down the presentation we are ready for staff report item e

1005
01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:58,520
 all righty so i'm going to start off this stuff report with the first parkway street elm locust

1006
01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:04,040
 intersection information at the previous meeting we discussed with you several of the friday

1007
01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:09,560
 reports that we had mentioned we talked about it was a signal the signal was taken away then it was

1008
01:32:09,560 --> 01:32:16,600
 a one one stop direction on parkway now it's an all stop direction and the request that you had

1009
01:32:16,600 --> 01:32:24,360
 was for us to pull up the traffic crash data in this area and so i am going to ask nathan to come

1010
01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:30,440
 up and discuss the crash data that he worked with the police department on and just really go over

1011
01:32:30,440 --> 01:32:41,000
 that information with you so nathan all right i'm not going to read this long worded discussion but

1012
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:47,400
 basically we pulled a number of years of traffic data so we could take a look at trends and you

1013
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:54,680
 know identify sort of how how do we get where we are today and how has the you know how has our

1014
01:32:54,680 --> 01:33:02,280
 response improved or how have trends changed since we implemented the always stop so the first

1015
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:10,360
 three years of data that we collected and then we compared that with the the subsequent almost two

1016
01:33:10,360 --> 01:33:16,920
 years of data that uh from the period when the signal was in place and then the subsequent

1017
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:22,280
 period after the signal was removed and the side street stop condition was in place how to safety

1018
01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:27,640
 perform um one of the big challenges that we have with crash data with how it's recorded and you

1019
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:32,200
 know one of the reasons we're coming back this month is because location data is a little bit

1020
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:36,440
 challenging to extrapolate from the reports without pulling all the individual reports

1021
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:43,240
 and scanning all the details so what they call a cr3 form that the police officer fills out on site

1022
01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:49,960
 and we're looking at data that's a bit less detailed so we were able to extrapolate out how

1023
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:53,640
 many crashes occurred at the intersections we can't say exactly which intersections without

1024
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:58,600
 going through that additional effort so we had 28 crashes in the period of the three years

1025
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:05,640
 the intersections were signalized and then for just under two years we had 20 crashes at between

1026
01:34:05,640 --> 01:34:12,760
 the two intersections so in terms of overall trend we had roughly the same number of crashes occur

1027
01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:21,160
 over the same time frame you know nine injury crashes and six injury crashes over the the two

1028
01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:25,800
 periods so you know the trends that we see are the overall crashes stayed about the same but there

1029
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:30,920
 was a slight increase not substantial but a slight increase in the severity of the crashes that did

1030
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:37,240
 occur after the signals were removed and the side street stops were implemented so i'd say you know

1031
01:34:37,240 --> 01:34:42,440
 that's kind of what you would expect fewer people are stopping at the intersection because there is

1032
01:34:42,440 --> 01:34:48,120
 no signal so you start to see some of the types of crashes be a bit more severe when that higher

1033
01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:55,240
 threat sort of scenario happens there was one fatality that occurred at the intersection of elm

1034
01:34:56,040 --> 01:35:02,120
 where a an individual pulled through the stop sign and there was a collision and airbag deployed

1035
01:35:02,120 --> 01:35:09,880
 and due to a respiratory issue they died from air air bag dust inhalation that we got from pd

1036
01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:16,440
 through a separate review so you know that being the most severe of all the collisions that occurred

1037
01:35:16,440 --> 01:35:21,560
 but certainly we don't want to see any fatalities or serious injuries on intersections in the in the

1038
01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:28,680
 city since you know following that fatal collision we implemented the always stop there was one

1039
01:35:28,680 --> 01:35:35,880
 reported crash that happened since then and no injuries were a result so you know just overall i

1040
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:41,720
 would say you know crash rates stayed about the same but severity increased when the signals were

1041
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:47,320
 removed that's not a result that we want to see since we've implemented the always stop the you

1042
01:35:47,320 --> 01:35:54,120
 know we've got about four months of data and that shows that we're not seeing a lot of crashes and

1043
01:35:54,120 --> 01:35:59,720
 we haven't seen any severity as an outcome of that and we'll continue to monitor and we do have a

1044
01:35:59,720 --> 01:36:06,280
 project on parkway to do some improvements there as well so hopefully we can introduce some additional

1045
01:36:06,280 --> 01:36:11,400
 elements to further reinforce that the stop condition is has been installed on elm and locust

1046
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:15,320
 and that is everything i have to say happy to answer questions

1047
01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:21,160
 i can say just sort of like anecdotally for my personal experience i was a little bit worried

1048
01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:25,720
 that there would be um you know congestion or traffic back up as a result of the always stop but

1049
01:36:25,720 --> 01:36:33,640
 i haven't seen it um do do you feel like my my gut instinct on that is accurate i would say so

1050
01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:40,440
 you know our office is right there at the intersection of elm and parkway i see a fair

1051
01:36:40,440 --> 01:36:44,440
 amount of traffic but i wouldn't say i see any more congestion at the parkway intersection than

1052
01:36:44,440 --> 01:36:49,720
 i see downstream at mckinney so i don't uh i would not say that we're seeing a whole lot of

1053
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:55,400
 congestion that's not to say i've observed locust a lot in my travels a little bit but i certainly

1054
01:36:55,400 --> 01:37:00,520
 wouldn't say that i see any evidence of that increase in congestion there were certainly

1055
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:05,480
 issues on elm street because it's three lanes where people maybe in the middle lane didn't

1056
01:37:05,480 --> 01:37:10,200
 recognize that the stop was there and we were getting a lot of issues with you know folks come

1057
01:37:11,720 --> 01:37:16,200
 telling us that they had near misses or that they'd seen a collision that sort of thing

1058
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:21,800
 and that's why we put the red flashing lights so traffic operations james andrews went out and put

1059
01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:25,880
 some flashing lights on top of the stop signs to increase visibility as you're coming down the hill

1060
01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:32,360
 on elm um but yeah i certainly people seem to be complying i walk through there just to test it out

1061
01:37:32,360 --> 01:37:37,080
 make sure folks are stopping and i haven't really experienced any concerns walking through the

1062
01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:43,000
 intersection so say they're performing pretty well small small sample size but for now it seems like

1063
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:47,800
 the four-way stop is really giving us some good outcomes there yeah and the changes that will

1064
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:51,960
 hopefully add uh which of course we have talked with tex dot or things like putting some solid

1065
01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:56,440
 lane lines so as you get up to the intersection there's visual cue that you need to stop some

1066
01:37:56,440 --> 01:38:01,720
 reflectors maybe so we should be able to to even provide additional clues to drivers that you know

1067
01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:05,800
 they're approaching a stop controlled intersection so we should be able to improve that safety

1068
01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:10,680
 hopefully some uh crosswalks would help make that intersection stand out a little bit more as well

1069
01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:15,480
 i really like the fact that uh no matter which direction you're approaching it you have to think

1070
01:38:15,480 --> 01:38:22,680
 about it now yeah i would say makes you anecdotally when i first came to town you know before i

1071
01:38:22,680 --> 01:38:27,240
 accepted the position i was sitting at a greenhouse restaurant on locust street and observing cars

1072
01:38:27,240 --> 01:38:32,840
 flying down locust street so you know i don't see that as much anymore when i'm sitting there

1073
01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:38,440
 outside dining so you know i certainly have seen it as a traffic calming if you will on the north

1074
01:38:38,440 --> 01:38:47,640
 side of downtown as well councilmember bird how do you all make the decision uh in a in a location

1075
01:38:47,640 --> 01:38:57,080
 like that uh to put in stop signs versus those lights that flash red is those you know it all

1076
01:38:57,080 --> 01:39:04,440
 stop red light how do you all come to that is it financial do you want to answer that or you want

1077
01:39:04,440 --> 01:39:09,720
 me to i can some other kind i can talk uh so you know anytime we were making decisions about what

1078
01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:15,000
 traffic control devices the result of an engineering study so it's typically uh you know we're working

1079
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:20,600
 together as a team so becky deviney brett our new deputy city engineer we're working together to

1080
01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:26,200
 review conditions to look at you know what are what are all the constraints at an intersection

1081
01:39:26,200 --> 01:39:31,240
 and make the appropriate recommendations sometimes that's an iterative process i referred to you know

1082
01:39:31,240 --> 01:39:36,280
 we we put up the stop signs then we came back later and put up the flashing lights so sometimes

1083
01:39:36,280 --> 01:39:43,080
 that's the result of testing observing how things you know how that uh how that engineering treatment

1084
01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:49,720
 worked in the field and you may need to further enhance and i even described some additional

1085
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:55,320
 enhancements i have in mind so it's you know it starts with the engineering review and developing

1086
01:39:55,320 --> 01:40:00,600
 a design but sometimes we may see that it's not performing the way we want and we go back and

1087
01:40:00,600 --> 01:40:09,000
 continue to design so so so a stop sign with flashing lights on the stop signs to notify you

1088
01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:16,040
 that to stop versus one of those you know in the middle of the road at the top you know what i'm

1089
01:40:16,040 --> 01:40:27,160
 talking about flashing light signal lights signal yeah permanently flashing red signal

1090
01:40:27,160 --> 01:40:32,760
 yeah yeah signal lights that's what that's where i'm trying to go so is that part of the uh the the

1091
01:40:32,760 --> 01:40:41,080
 severity of we need to now notify them by flashing it could be yeah it could be the result of seeing

1092
01:40:41,080 --> 01:40:47,640
 increased crashes or severe crashes that you know in addition to what happens at the intersection

1093
01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:51,960
 sometimes there may be site constraints that you can't see and recognize as well so we might do

1094
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:56,360
 something further back so we catch a driver's attention before they even arrive at the

1095
01:40:56,360 --> 01:41:02,920
 intersection we do that a lot with pedestrian safe crossings i believe there may be advanced

1096
01:41:02,920 --> 01:41:08,360
 lights out here but certainly you know you may need to get a driver's attention before they get to

1097
01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:15,400
 that threatening area so they understand how to react and respond when they get there okay yeah

1098
01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:18,760
 all right that's it i'll turn it back over to becky

1099
01:41:18,760 --> 01:41:26,120
 thank you nathan and i would just mention to councilmember bird um you know it was a

1100
01:41:26,120 --> 01:41:31,880
 signalized intersection so whether it's one signal flashing red because it's a stop condition

1101
01:41:31,880 --> 01:41:37,240
 or a signal that runs out through all three colors you know that would be more of going back to what

1102
01:41:37,240 --> 01:41:43,240
 it was in the past so the the iterative process that nathan described this was the first step in

1103
01:41:43,240 --> 01:41:49,160
 moving in that direction so um you know that's why we'll continue to review the data and you know

1104
01:41:49,160 --> 01:41:54,120
 evaluate that to make sure that the decisions that were made in that incremental phase

1105
01:41:54,120 --> 01:42:02,200
 are addressing the concerns thank you absolutely so the next thing that we promised is that every

1106
01:42:02,200 --> 01:42:07,960
 month we will bring you a bonnie bray street update and so i'm happy to announce that on the

1107
01:42:07,960 --> 01:42:14,760
 city council meeting i know mayor brats i'm really excited um i didn't bring you any popcorn to

1108
01:42:14,760 --> 01:42:21,720
 celebrate or anything um so we did um on april 5th approved that a change order for north south

1109
01:42:21,720 --> 01:42:28,520
 waterline phase three um that change order what it did was allow the waterline contractor to

1110
01:42:29,080 --> 01:42:35,560
 perform those temporary pavement restoration um that'll be all lanes of bonnie bray street between

1111
01:42:35,560 --> 01:42:42,760
 35 and scripture to the roundabout we are hoping that all lanes of traffic of course weather

1112
01:42:42,760 --> 01:42:49,400
 dependent will be open beginning in june and of course we're working through that final acceptance

1113
01:42:49,400 --> 01:42:54,760
 of the waterline so we're doing those waterline testing measures obviously that's a process that

1114
01:42:54,760 --> 01:42:59,800
 we have to go through that temporary service that we've worked with the streets department

1115
01:42:59,800 --> 01:43:05,480
 with danny kramer on will improve those driving conditions until that complete rebuild of that

1116
01:43:05,480 --> 01:43:12,600
 segment of bonnie bray will be completed so this is a a temporary measure to put the the roadway

1117
01:43:12,600 --> 01:43:18,600
 surface in a more drivable condition since the waterline construction will be completed until

1118
01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:24,600
 that ultimate cross section which is a four lane divided roadway will happen in the 2024 time frame

1119
01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:31,240
 so i just i make you aware of that because this interim phase will be uh kind of like john

1120
01:43:31,240 --> 01:43:36,440
 described earlier with the 380 this is an interim step that will happen um and then of course we'll

1121
01:43:36,440 --> 01:43:43,640
 come back with that permanent step um in a few years you realize of course this is for the public

1122
01:43:43,640 --> 01:43:49,080
 benefit people don't wreck their cars and it'll be good for them and you'll get absolutely no

1123
01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:53,640
 credit for it when you come back and tear it up again right yes sir that's part of the reason why

1124
01:43:53,640 --> 01:43:58,920
 i'm sending you the message that i'm sending you that this is a temporary measure that will be done

1125
01:43:58,920 --> 01:44:05,400
 and we'll be back in a couple of years to build that permanent improvement so um you know the

1126
01:44:05,400 --> 01:44:10,520
 goal is is to make it a drivable surface for that one and a half to two year time frame until that

1127
01:44:10,520 --> 01:44:15,720
 ultimate roadway construction can be completed i wonder if there's a better way to uh maybe in

1128
01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:20,600
 the construction update somehow to get the public to be aware like this is what's happening this is

1129
01:44:20,600 --> 01:44:25,160
 why it's happening and it's temporary because that is the thing that i most often or one of the

1130
01:44:25,160 --> 01:44:31,720
 things i most often uh hear about is why do they put it down and tear it up again yeah and i uh i

1131
01:44:31,720 --> 01:44:36,920
 feel those same sentiments and part of why um you know i've been working with the streets department

1132
01:44:36,920 --> 01:44:44,200
 and of course with our team and to when we provide you with an update or a message is to explain the

1133
01:44:44,200 --> 01:44:50,040
 phasing or the steps because ultimately the difference between building an interim improvement

1134
01:44:50,040 --> 01:44:54,680
 or a permanent improvement to someone who's not in the construction industry or understands that

1135
01:44:54,680 --> 01:44:58,920
 they truly they see that the roadway looks beautiful and they think that it's it's been

1136
01:44:58,920 --> 01:45:04,680
 handled danny deals with this on an everyday basis where he comes in and does a a microsil or a mill

1137
01:45:04,680 --> 01:45:10,200
 and overlay those have lot useful life time frames but they're not like a complete rebuild that could

1138
01:45:10,200 --> 01:45:16,360
 last up to 25 years if you're maintaining that roadway in that proper measure so you know really

1139
01:45:16,360 --> 01:45:22,520
 our goal is is to work just like we're working on elmon locus for those measures to make those

1140
01:45:22,520 --> 01:45:27,720
 improvements in a more immediate fashion because we don't want the roadway to be torn up in its

1141
01:45:27,720 --> 01:45:33,960
 existing condition until we can do the construction in 2024 what's the what's the obstacle to i guess

1142
01:45:33,960 --> 01:45:39,320
 you know logical logical question would be what's the obstacle to doing the permanent one in the

1143
01:45:39,320 --> 01:45:45,240
 time frame of the temporary one uh funding yeah we're currently lacking all of the construction

1144
01:45:45,240 --> 01:45:50,440
 funding in real estate yeah so we're working through that this is one of the projects that

1145
01:45:50,440 --> 01:45:56,200
 we've submitted um to the county bond package um that i've had multiple conversations with

1146
01:45:56,200 --> 01:46:02,120
 mr polster about um so there's a there's also right away acquisition that has to continue

1147
01:46:02,120 --> 01:46:06,200
 um and then of course there's several different homes that will be um you know

1148
01:46:06,200 --> 01:46:10,920
 eliminated with this overall roadway improvement okay i appreciate that explanation and i can't

1149
01:46:10,920 --> 01:46:15,320
 honestly say i've ever noticed if in the construction updates if we do tell people

1150
01:46:15,320 --> 01:46:21,480
 this is temporary so that it's drivable you know just we just discussed and if uh i don't know

1151
01:46:21,480 --> 01:46:28,600
 who would who would be the person to you know sort of route that comment uh but if we're not doing

1152
01:46:28,600 --> 01:46:34,120
 that then maybe that would be helpful i don't know how closely people digest that information but

1153
01:46:34,840 --> 01:46:40,920
 it's an opportunity sure i think that's a valid comment and i think as we work on those friday

1154
01:46:40,920 --> 01:46:45,400
 report updates or even the construction guide updates that we make we can think about the way

1155
01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:51,560
 that we're messaging that message i've also been thinking about different ways when we we make

1156
01:46:51,560 --> 01:46:56,280
 presentations or we have conversations with the public to explain the different types of

1157
01:46:56,280 --> 01:47:00,680
 maintenance and i know that's something that's definitely i'm sure on danny's mind as you know

1158
01:47:00,680 --> 01:47:05,720
 he has those similar conversations and questions that come through his office um and so you know

1159
01:47:05,720 --> 01:47:10,520
 it's it's a hard situation to explain but i think we definitely will continue to add that

1160
01:47:10,520 --> 01:47:15,880
 information to help understand this is temporary and we only anticipate it to last you know a

1161
01:47:15,880 --> 01:47:20,200
 certain amount of time frame before we do that ultimate and you know that's really the purpose

1162
01:47:20,200 --> 01:47:27,640
 of me stating this today so then bonnie bray phase three which is rose on drive to 35 and bonnie bray

1163
01:47:27,640 --> 01:47:33,960
 phase six which is 380 to us 77 are both on track to begin construction before the end of the year

1164
01:47:33,960 --> 01:47:40,600
 and both of those projects have an approximate two-year construction timeline which hopes in

1165
01:47:40,600 --> 01:47:46,680
 hopes of having those completed by quarter four into quarter four of 2024 so we just wanted to

1166
01:47:46,680 --> 01:47:52,440
 bring you up to speed on those other two phases i know there's a lot of questions that happen with

1167
01:47:52,440 --> 01:47:56,360
 the bonnie bray phase six specifically because the location of the new denton high school

1168
01:47:57,000 --> 01:48:01,720
 and so the high school will be opening you know obviously through the process of the construction

1169
01:48:01,720 --> 01:48:07,000
 phase and we have been coordinating with disd and like i mentioned those monthly meetings

1170
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:11,960
 then of course we are so are working with them on some improvements that they're going to be

1171
01:48:11,960 --> 01:48:19,640
 making to reine road and then the last item that was brought up in our questions that came from

1172
01:48:19,640 --> 01:48:26,040
 last month was the swisher road concerns and the portion of swisher road i believe that was asked

1173
01:48:26,040 --> 01:48:32,280
 that actually is a part of the 2019 bond program it's that neighborhood rehabilitation program

1174
01:48:32,280 --> 01:48:40,760
 it's specifically within neighborhood what we call 8a and is anticipated to begin in the design in

1175
01:48:40,760 --> 01:48:46,040
 2025 so there will be improvements that are up and coming but it is out a few years

1176
01:48:46,040 --> 01:48:54,920
 and with that that is all i have for the staff report today i will pull up the matrix to see

1177
01:48:54,920 --> 01:49:02,840
 if there's any additional items that you would like for us to review so we went ahead and talked

1178
01:49:02,840 --> 01:49:09,160
 about the intersection of parkway and sorry i'm trying to get this where we can all see it

1179
01:49:09,160 --> 01:49:15,400
 parkway and locust we believe we provided the update that you requested

1180
01:49:15,400 --> 01:49:18,840
 just wanted to find out whether or not you're comfortable with us removing that

1181
01:49:19,560 --> 01:49:26,760
 from the future agendas um i don't think that we need like an update on every agenda but could we

1182
01:49:26,760 --> 01:49:32,760
 maybe flag it like a year from now to kind of bring back that same data so that we can you know kind

1183
01:49:32,760 --> 01:49:37,720
 of compare apples to apples absolutely once we have more data sure we can do that we'll add it

1184
01:49:37,720 --> 01:49:42,600
 to the commitment tracker that we have every time we promise you we're going to do something in a

1185
01:49:42,600 --> 01:49:47,640
 friday report or make that commitment we actually have a tracker that we use so that our staff

1186
01:49:47,640 --> 01:49:52,520
 remembers for those timelines so happy to do that i'm sorry i need that in my marriage a commitment

1187
01:49:52,520 --> 01:50:01,800
 tracker good luck with that sir so i would just mention that we'll continue to work with pd then

1188
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:07,240
 on that overall intersection and and we'll we'll need to make sure that with the inner improvements

1189
01:50:07,240 --> 01:50:12,520
 that nathan has planned you know that we take a moment in time to to receive all of the crash

1190
01:50:12,520 --> 01:50:17,800
 data from when those stop signs you know obviously in the current condition and then when we move to

1191
01:50:17,800 --> 01:50:23,320
 the new configuration which actually is just really some multimodal improvements and some

1192
01:50:23,320 --> 01:50:27,800
 signing and striping that then we collect the data because i want to make sure the data set is the

1193
01:50:27,800 --> 01:50:35,080
 specific information so happy to do so so we'll bring that back in a year the deerwood kings row

1194
01:50:35,080 --> 01:50:39,880
 area update that was requested i think the transportation planning and planning development

1195
01:50:39,880 --> 01:50:44,680
 services department team did a fabulous job of providing you an update with that so i'd like to

1196
01:50:44,680 --> 01:50:51,240
 request to remove that one from the agenda tracker see no objection um i think as long as we're we're

1197
01:50:51,240 --> 01:50:56,840
 really digging into that conversation in our small area plan conversations we could we can move this

1198
01:50:56,840 --> 01:51:03,720
 issue from mobility to that to smaller noted okay wonderful i think uh tina and and pretem are very

1199
01:51:03,720 --> 01:51:08,600
 well aware of that and of course pretem and tina worked very closely with us on the mobility plan

1200
01:51:08,600 --> 01:51:15,720
 update so they have all of that at their hands to be able to access and and use as pretem's going

1201
01:51:15,720 --> 01:51:21,240
 to be taking that over then the bonnie bray street updates i'm not asking to remove that because i'll

1202
01:51:21,240 --> 01:51:26,520
 continue to bring you an update monthly and then the swisher road concerns just made mention of

1203
01:51:26,520 --> 01:51:33,960
 that being in that bond program any additional questions on swisher road yes um i i drove that

1204
01:51:33,960 --> 01:51:42,760
 road maybe a couple of days ago sure uh just to uh show someone you know what we were doing yeah i

1205
01:51:42,760 --> 01:51:51,240
 was excited about that something new thing um and i saw some some some tagging it looked like there

1206
01:51:51,240 --> 01:51:59,160
 are some movement going on on on this issue in some kind of way you know how it's tagged in in

1207
01:51:59,720 --> 01:52:03,960
 painted on the road and and i was telling them hey it looks like they've been out here already

1208
01:52:03,960 --> 01:52:10,600
 look at me you know so uh but down that i'm hearing that there's not going to be anything

1209
01:52:10,600 --> 01:52:18,200
 additional going on there to 25 i've got to tell these people that are calling me my constituents

1210
01:52:18,200 --> 01:52:26,360
 that are calling me and and asking me you know why is it tagged why is the road uh painted and now

1211
01:52:27,320 --> 01:52:34,120
 you know there's not any expectation anything other than that the issue is still there so i'm

1212
01:52:34,120 --> 01:52:38,920
 going to ask danny kramer um deputy director of operations to come up and talk to you about

1213
01:52:38,920 --> 01:52:46,760
 what the painting means yeah so what we're doing over there is where you uh the drainage department

1214
01:52:46,760 --> 01:52:51,640
 has gotten locates for that area and they're looking at cleaning the i think it's the the east

1215
01:52:51,640 --> 01:52:57,800
 side uh bar ditch over there uh there is a clogged culvert over there and uh we're going to reshape

1216
01:52:57,800 --> 01:53:03,240
 that ditch it's not going to fix the issue but it should help mediate some of it in the meantime

1217
01:53:03,240 --> 01:53:09,720
 but it's just part of our standard maintenance practices in the area okay so um now i can

1218
01:53:09,720 --> 01:53:17,240
 determine you know roadway versus culvert uh issues so i'll be be sure and be able to

1219
01:53:17,800 --> 01:53:27,000
 i'll be able to let them know that thank you all righty so now it's the time for you to tell us if

1220
01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:31,720
 there's anything additional you'd like for us to bring forward next month i don't have anything

1221
01:53:31,720 --> 01:53:40,680
 uh well let me ask you uh first is with the uh citywide speed study will that go directly to

1222
01:53:40,680 --> 01:53:45,720
 council or do you expect to kind of bring that to mobility as well or what are your thoughts there

1223
01:53:46,600 --> 01:53:52,440
 so haven't thought a whole lot about that i'm happy to bring it to mobility i know nathan is

1224
01:53:52,440 --> 01:53:57,320
 leading the charge with that effort and we're currently in the data collection process i think

1225
01:53:57,320 --> 01:54:02,520
 it would make sense to bring it forward to this committee first to um you know have that overview

1226
01:54:02,520 --> 01:54:08,360
 with you prior to it going to council um i hope by the end of may we're done collecting data and

1227
01:54:08,360 --> 01:54:13,800
 they may even be done sooner i actually saw them picking up some tubes uh yesterday so i know they've

1228
01:54:13,800 --> 01:54:19,720
 got tubes out everywhere if you see those all over town um so happy to bring that forward it will be

1229
01:54:19,720 --> 01:54:24,840
 probably a late summer before we're ready to have that conversation but happy to do so yeah if we

1230
01:54:24,840 --> 01:54:29,720
 could just get like updates on kind of how how it's going what the process looks like sure even

1231
01:54:29,720 --> 01:54:36,760
 what you just said was more than i knew yeah right i'm sorry didn't talk over you sure also sorry

1232
01:54:36,760 --> 01:54:44,200
 council member bird also i just wanted to let everybody know that you all are having a meeting on

1233
01:54:44,200 --> 01:54:54,600
 the 28th to discuss the southeast denton portion of the upgrade updates so i just want to put that

1234
01:54:54,600 --> 01:55:00,840
 out there absolutely yes we have the um april 28th um trevor i'm looking at you six p.m

1235
01:55:02,600 --> 01:55:10,520
 okay six p.m i believe it's six p.m um i don't have my i'm sorry yes um and so we're going to

1236
01:55:10,520 --> 01:55:16,520
 be having that conversation to talk about the sedna um group a or said a and said b

1237
01:55:16,520 --> 01:55:22,520
 and uh seth garcia the program manager over that bond program will be bringing that forward we'll

1238
01:55:22,520 --> 01:55:27,160
 have the contractor present um the design engineer so it'll be a great time for everyone to learn

1239
01:55:27,160 --> 01:55:31,880
 about that overall project in that entire neighborhood and i've gotten word that they've

1240
01:55:31,880 --> 01:55:37,080
 received their letters so they are excited coming through that's always something that we keep our

1241
01:55:37,080 --> 01:55:41,480
 fingers crossed i know we've had a couple of issues before with them so glad to hear that

1242
01:55:41,480 --> 01:55:45,560
 they're receiving their letters thank you for that i just want to confirm whether or not you all do

1243
01:55:45,560 --> 01:55:51,800
 have on your notes to make sure that those types of announcements also go to those churches there

1244
01:55:51,800 --> 01:55:56,520
 because they have announcement time absolutely we will follow up and make sure that those different

1245
01:55:56,520 --> 01:56:02,120
 churches have that information they should be in that mailing category but i'll ask seth trevor

1246
01:56:02,120 --> 01:56:07,400
 can work to make sure that seth gets that notice put out and try to get it in the sunday message

1247
01:56:07,400 --> 01:56:14,600
 for this sunday good absolutely uh in the in the kind of intersection of those last two points

1248
01:56:14,600 --> 01:56:21,480
 i've had uh occasion of late just due to a hobby interest to knocking a lot of doors and something

1249
01:56:21,480 --> 01:56:28,840
 standing in your district and i and i suspect you will uh the council member bird will uh will agree

1250
01:56:28,840 --> 01:56:36,040
 with this uh that the thing i hear most often or heard most often really even more than the

1251
01:56:36,040 --> 01:56:41,320
 construction status was well we've heard so much from you know from you over the last couple years

1252
01:56:41,320 --> 01:56:48,040
 the the speed on the streets right particularly morse curly lakie ruth i heard about winzer duncan

1253
01:56:48,040 --> 01:56:54,040
 too uh you know these are residential areas with kids playing in the streets and i hear uh you know

1254
01:56:54,040 --> 01:57:04,120
 a lot of interest in some kind of speed bumps bumps out some kind of traffic calming uh uh are

1255
01:57:04,120 --> 01:57:09,720
 you i know i've seen you there before i hate to give you extra curricular work but are you planning

1256
01:57:09,720 --> 01:57:17,160
 already to be at sedna on uh on monday or maybe i'm just wondering if if if traffic calming won't

1257
01:57:17,160 --> 01:57:23,640
 come up in the context of the 28th because that's about construction maybe in the context of vision

1258
01:57:23,640 --> 01:57:31,400
 zero it would be appropriate to address this concern and i'm i don't i'm kind of freelancing

1259
01:57:31,400 --> 01:57:37,800
 here you know maybe sedna is an opportunity to talk about or see if you hear the same thing i'm

1260
01:57:37,800 --> 01:57:42,520
 hearing about the need for traffic calming i've heard the concerns i've attended the meetings

1261
01:57:42,520 --> 01:57:48,520
 we will not be present at the meeting on monday but on the meeting on the 28th on thursday trevor

1262
01:57:48,520 --> 01:57:52,040
 already has in the presentation some of the improvements that we're making and some of the

1263
01:57:52,040 --> 01:57:57,800
 next steps nathan actually submitted as part of the dcta trip application some improvements on

1264
01:57:57,800 --> 01:58:03,000
 more street and that application has been submitted and we're waiting to hear back from them that

1265
01:58:03,000 --> 01:58:07,160
 they've received it and then of course it does take a little bit of time to see what projects they

1266
01:58:07,160 --> 01:58:13,240
 actually select um and then we also have a process we're working through on some driver feedback

1267
01:58:13,240 --> 01:58:18,280
 speed limit sign so there's some multiple things going on that area it'll be one slide that we just

1268
01:58:18,280 --> 01:58:23,480
 touch on um really to talk about what are the ways that we can receive that feedback from other

1269
01:58:23,480 --> 01:58:28,120
 individuals and that'll be a part of that thursday presentation will be at the very tail end of that

1270
01:58:28,120 --> 01:58:33,240
 presentation just saying if there's other concerns here's the individuals that you can reach out to

1271
01:58:33,240 --> 01:58:37,800
 um as i've mentioned before we've done multiple speed studies in those areas and have you know

1272
01:58:37,800 --> 01:58:42,920
 multiple friday report information and times we brought uh those questions and concerns to you

1273
01:58:42,920 --> 01:58:48,280
 division zero action plan that precent will be bringing forward in june i'm sorry i said vision

1274
01:58:48,280 --> 01:58:55,880
 zero i meant i meant uh well that too but vision zero uh citywide speed study oh sure that's really

1275
01:58:55,880 --> 01:59:00,040
 what i was what i meant to say in the context of citywide speed study that's where you would look

1276
01:59:00,040 --> 01:59:05,800
 at you know are over are the overall speeds higher than they need to be in that neighborhood

1277
01:59:05,800 --> 01:59:10,760
 sure or just traffic calming sure so there are certain streets in that neighborhood that we are

1278
01:59:10,760 --> 01:59:15,560
 doing as a part of the citywide speed study but i will remind you that the citywide speed study

1279
01:59:15,560 --> 01:59:22,360
 does not collect data on residential streets um so um nathan can add that um to the overall

1280
01:59:22,360 --> 01:59:29,800
 presentation just to explain which particular roadways um are being uh evaluated as a part of the

1281
01:59:29,800 --> 01:59:34,360
 sedna neighborhood so we'll make sure to include that in the presentation for thursday um and then

1282
01:59:34,360 --> 01:59:39,800
 obviously we're available um for any questions or comments that folks have in that area yeah i think

1283
01:59:39,800 --> 01:59:46,360
 if you're really you know open to uh hearing you'll be on that slide for 20 minutes you know because

1284
01:59:46,360 --> 01:59:51,880
 i'm just i'm just reporting oh sure that's a very present concern they're not and i don't think it's

1285
01:59:51,880 --> 01:59:56,840
 going away by saying we already looked at it you know and in fact uh you you're probably aware that

1286
01:59:56,840 --> 02:00:01,960
 you know from the friday reports today i asked because specifically of having knocked on a door

1287
02:00:01,960 --> 02:00:09,480
 at the corner of uh lakey and morse you'd ask about the traffic uh traffic accident experience

1288
02:00:09,480 --> 02:00:14,920
 there and it was kind of expressed as like not that bad that it's five accidents in five years i

1289
02:00:14,920 --> 02:00:21,240
 don't know it's an accident a year a good thing it's better than parkway but it sounds like a lot

1290
02:00:21,240 --> 02:00:27,560
 to me i think one accident in five years might be like more sort of normal feeling just perception

1291
02:00:27,560 --> 02:00:33,560
 sure you said at the end the tail end of that comma that you just made perception is a lot of

1292
02:00:33,560 --> 02:00:38,760
 what is the situation in that area and that's why we use the data with the different speed studies

1293
02:00:38,760 --> 02:00:43,320
 that are collected to look at the actual facts um and as i mentioned there are some improvements

1294
02:00:43,320 --> 02:00:48,760
 um that meeting specifically on thursday is to talk about the sedna project and of course the

1295
02:00:48,760 --> 02:00:55,160
 overall bond package but we will touch on other projects we have going in those areas and make

1296
02:00:55,160 --> 02:00:59,720
 sure that we cover that and then give them the tools and resources they need to be able to reach

1297
02:00:59,720 --> 02:01:08,440
 out to those individuals all right anything else anyone else we made it to the end awesome well

1298
02:01:08,440 --> 02:01:22,920
 thank you very much are there any concluding items i think we kind of did concluding items so uh we'll adjourn at 1101