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 Good afternoon and welcome to the city of Denton's planning and zoning commission meeting for Wednesday, March 23rd, 2022.

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 This is our work session and with a quorum present, I will call us to order at 5 PM and say, it's lovely to be back in the work session room for work session.

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 Our 1st item on the agenda is citizen comments on the consent agenda. Is there anyone in the audience.

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 To comment there, and staff, do we have anyone on the phones?

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 I don't know if they can be piped in here.

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 Okay, hearing and seeing none, we will move on to clarification of agenda items for tonight's meeting.

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 The 1st will be the consent agenda. Is there any questions on anything on the consent agenda?

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 Commissioner Pruitt. Thank you. Just real briefly on item C, when I when I look at that, am I correct to understand that this layout is has to be in conformance with the PD that was done back in.

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 Whatever 1990 99, etc. And that's why the there's no connection to the perimeter road on the north side.

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 You're correct. Julie isn't here this evening, but the country lakes PD contained a development plan showing the layout, and they also had a preliminary plan approved back in 2013. I believe that dictates the overall layout. So they're developing in accordance with those prior approvals. Okay.

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 But if but under our current code, we would typically have an additional exit to that perimeter road on the north side. Correct. Okay. Thank you.

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 And on that same plan, I did email Julie about this, but I'll just go ahead and throw it out there. I did notice that we do not have asterisks on any of the lots here, and I know that we don't have a set rule for that.

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 But I just like to throw it out there that I love consistency, and I wish that we did because I think the asterisk should be out there for the lots that are within 1000 feet of the gas. Well, I just I think we should be consistent with that.

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 So if that's something that staff down the road could maybe at least encourage that that be done. I would certainly like to see that. Sure, we could probably add that recommendation to our checklist as a means of showing that particular plot does have it shown as a radius on there.

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 So the required information is there, but I certainly absolutely for consistent. Right. I saw that the required information is there. The note is there. Absolutely. I just I thought the addition of the asterisk that we've done, I thought, was was really helpful.

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 And so I would love to see that consistency down the road going forward. If there's a way to do that. Okay. Anything else on the consent agenda?

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 Okay, let's move to items for individual consideration on 3, a any questions on 3, a.

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 So, I did have 1 question on that 1. I don't know if Sean Sean going to come up for that.

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 Sorry, I realize you're just getting settled. Sorry. How are you doing? Well, no worries.

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 I don't have it to pull up yet, but what had happened there on 3, a was if I'm remembering correctly, that is weird. That is a plot that we're taking in 2 phases.

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 So initially it was brought forward as 1 total plot that I think we're talking about the right 1. No, I think that 1 is later on. Okay, so the 1 that so this is this is vintage village.

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 Vintage village. Yes. Oh, yeah. No, no, it is that 1. It is village. It's in 2 parts. Okay. Phase 1 and 1, a because somehow we move down to D for that. Yes. Understood. Yes. Okay.

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 So what happened was there initially they were bringing forward 1 plat and the challenge is that a letter of map revision is being done to remove part of those lots. This is my exact question. Okay. Yes.

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 And so the letter of map revision at which the city is actually, we're actually the ones bringing it forward because we're doing some work as part of the extension of the street there.

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 Once that is approved by FEMA, then all of the lots in the subdivision will be out of the floodplain. The challenge is that right now, when they're when they're going to plat it, many of those lots are still shown as in the floodplain.

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 And our code specifically says we do not approve lots that are undevelopable, which would be the case while they're shown in the floodplain.

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 So what we determined to be the best course of action with the developers to bring this in 2 phases, 1 of which the larger 1 F P 21 30 will exclude those lots that are within the floodplain.

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 So we can go ahead and approve those. No problem. And it will include all of the infrastructure needed for the subdivision as a whole will be done with that.

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 Once that letter of map revision is fully approved by FEMA, everything should move from the floodplain. That's what we're going we're going to be recommending for approval with conditions tonight.

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 That don't involve just those lots that are currently shown in the floodplain separate plat.

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 It'll be approved with the condition that that letter of map revision has to be approved and that plat will have to come back to you all so that we can say, yes, the condition was met.

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 You can now fully approve it. So you would be approving it with conditions, but it could not move forward until it came back to you with that condition met.

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 However, that does enable them to get the grading permit they need to be able to move some dirt there in partly in order to accomplish the goal of getting it out of the floodplain.

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 I realize that may have seemed a little convoluted. Yeah, so I guess that's my question of exactly what are we approving for 3A because it's odd that we're approving it while we're still waiting on a map revision.

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 Absolutely. And the primary challenge there is they need to be able to move dirt partly in order to align with how they're removing that land from the floodplain. And in order to do that, they have to have a plat that it is at least approved.

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 It can't be recorded because it's not fully approved, but because it's conditionally approved, they can get the permit they need to do grading and move dirt.

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 So we'll conditionally approve 3A is the recommendation and it will come before us once that map revision is yes, it will have to come back to you all. Yes.

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 Okay. Okay. That does answer my question. Anybody else?

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 Okay. All right. Thanks, John. Let's go ahead and move to 3B.

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 The recommendation on that is denial, I believe, because it's already had an extension. Correct. Any questions on that?

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 Okay, let's go to 3C then. And that one, we did have a late email come in today. So that is now recommended for approval. Any questions on that?

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 All right. And that takes us then to 3D, which kind of piggybacks on what we just talked about. Any questions on this?

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 Okay. Taking us to 3E, that is an extension requested to a date certain of April 13th. Any questions for staff on that one?

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 Okay. And then the same with item F, there's an extension request to a date certain of April 13th.

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 Okay. Let's go ahead and move to our public hearings for the evening on the agenda. So 4A, S20009. Ron is here to, I think, give just the highlights of that and answer any questions or concerns.

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 Thank you, Madam Chair, members of the commission, Ron Megiddo, principal planner with Development Services. I see we have the presentation visible here. So I'll go ahead and begin.

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 This is a request for a specific use permit to allow for a townhome use on a property that is zone R4, which is required per the development code.

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 As you can see from the aerial there, it is located just south of Prominence Parkway, west of Mayhill Road. They are proposing 41 townhomes and one large open space lot.

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 That concludes my presentation. I'll stand for any questions.

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 Commissioner McDade.

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 Yeah, I'm just curious. Are these townhomes, are they rental or are they for purchase, you know?

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 According to the property owner, they are for purchase, individual lots.

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 Commissioner Pruitt.

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 Thank you, Chair. Just a question. I noticed on the site plan that they provided that the cul-de-sac turnaround on the bottom is there within this particular lot as opposed to sort of a temporary fire turnaround on the property adjacent if they wanted to try to arrange that.

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 Is that because a temporary turnaround is not possible due to the fact that non-emergency traffic would also need to turn around potentially or help me understand the difference there?

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 So the turnaround that you see there is for the fire requirements.

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 We did not show a connection to the south, primarily because the property to the south is zoned light industrial, and so trying to keep those type of uses separate from each other, this being a residential zoning district and to the property it being a light industrial zoning district.

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 But as far as the turnaround, and I'm trying to understand the question, are you saying that it's not supposed to be there or it's...

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 No, no, I understand why we need a turnaround, right, because larger vehicles probably or may not be able to navigate the alleys backward.

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 And I was just, yeah, just trying to understand why the more clear division between these two plots.

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 Primarily the zoning districts between the two.

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 Thank you.

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 Commissioner Smith.

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 Hey, Chair. Ron, what was the parking situation in there, because I can't really tell from the site plan when I was looking at it before, with the alleyways in the back, are they going to be doing...is it garage parking in the back end of it, is that kind of what they're discussing?

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 Yes, so garage parking, garage parking as well as the driveway parking will get them the four parking spaces per lot that they need.

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 Gotcha. Good. All right. Thanks.

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 Anything else for Ron on this one?

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 Okay, thanks, Ron.

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 Okay, that'll take us to our next public hearing item 4B, PD-20007.

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 Karina, I believe that is yours. Hi, Karina.

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 All right. Good evening.

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 Excuse me.

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 It's allergy season.

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 Oh, yes, it is.

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 It's a very heavy allergy week.

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 So the item today is PD-20-007. This is a plan development called Love First Community Village.

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 So we'll just do a brief presentation today.

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 So the request today is to rezone from an existing R7 district to a plan development with the base zoning of MN district.

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 As you can see, the site is located on the south side of East McKinney Street, east of May Hill Road, basically Caddy Corner to Ryan High School.

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 The purpose of this PD is to facilitate a new use for the PD only.

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 So the PD will define a transitional housing project with some non-residential uses such as daycare and office.

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 Per the Denton Plan 2030 and the newly approved Denton 2040 Comprehensive Plan,

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 it is designated for community mixed use and was also designated for moderate density.

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 But the designation has remained the same and staff is recommending approval of this PD.

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 And I can answer questions that you have today.

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 Questions for Karina.

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 Commissioner Pruitt.

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 Thank you, Chair.

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 I couldn't really tell on the backup information.

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 Is there provision for connection to a future trail corridor like there have been on previous developments within this corridor?

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 Yes, thank you for catching that.

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 And I'll go thoroughly in the presentation.

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 I am flagging in on a future slide.

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 So similar to Pebble Brook and Legacy Multifamily, staff was proposing that they have that future trail connection to the future Pecan Creek Trail.

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 So it's not actually shown on the site plan.

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 But the PD language does allow that flexibility for them to add it in the future.

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 So they're currently coordinating with the Parks Department to do that.

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 OK, thank you.

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 Other questions for Karina?

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 Karina, I guess so with regard to transitional housing and we're defining it just for this PD?

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 Yes, that's correct.

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 OK, and how are we managing that definition?

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 So because it is so unique and we're tying it to things and time and so.

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 Yeah, so within the PD, one of the requirements is that it have its own development standards.

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 So if approved, those development standards and the development plan would be tied to this property, whether it changes ownership moving forward.

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 So that PD document does have a specific definition included within it for transitional housing.

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 And I do have that definition on me so I can kind of read it for everyone,

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 which we've defined it as temporary housing and supportive services operated by a nonprofit organization.

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 I'll pause there because the intent is for the current nonprofit to operate that site.

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 If for some reason ownership changes, it could only be for another nonprofit.

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 So it keeps the intent of the development intact.

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 So moving on from that, operated by a nonprofit organization for at risk families who are experiencing financial burdens that have led to or may lead to homelessness.

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 Within the definition, it also indicates that it's intended to serve as temporary housing for those clients that are transitioning to permanent housing.

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 And it does make an indication that this is not a homeless shelter.

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 It is not group housing. It is specific for this type of community.

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 And what does the word temporary mean?

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 So that is not specifically defined in the PD.

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 That is something that we could possibly, I'm looking at Hillary, maybe define further if it's a point of contention.

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 There is the distinction between the homeless shelter, so that kind of gives the definition of, I think it's a 24 hour, I don't have that definition on me, but I can pull it up.

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 >> Yeah, and I'm okay with that, but I think we should have some kind of definition for the word temporary in its regard.

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 Otherwise, I don't understand how we would enforce the PD or what this really means if we don't have that defined.

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 But yeah, we'd love your input or anyone else's.

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 >> So I'm not, sorry, we were having a conversation, so I might have missed part of the question.

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 Scott and I were discussing that by definition of it being transitional housing, it implies that it would not be permanent.

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 So although there's not a time tied to the temporary component to it, it's not intended to be permanent housing.

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 It would be managed by the ownership of the non-profit entity or whoever's owning this to determine how long each individual family would reside within the development.

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 >> Right, so there's not a minimal either, it could be 24 hours?

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 >> No, it would not, because that would lead it towards the definition in the current DDC for homeless shelters.

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 So the definition itself does include the language that says that it excludes, or it's not intended to serve as a homeless shelter or group home as defined by the DDC.

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 So those two definitions within the DDC, as they're written now,

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 I believe the homeless shelter has a specific time reference to it, and I can pull that up in just a second.

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 But that would be kind of the catch to prevent that short term type of use.

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 And I believe the applicant will be here later so they can clarify what the intent is for temporary.

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 >> Okay, and I'm all okay, except when it comes to intent on certain things,

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 because I want certain things spelled out so we know exactly what we're using this property for.

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 And our very few code enforcement people that we have on staff know what it is that they're supposed to be enforcing.

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 If that were to be a thing that they would be called to do.

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 So yeah, if you could just maybe, yeah, have a few more definitions, I would appreciate that at the public meeting.

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 Anyone else? Commissioner Smith.

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 >> Thank you, Chair.

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 So what is even the purpose of why we have to put the transitional housing in there, is that we're trying to avoid the short term rental process.

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 And then, because that's essentially what this is, if there's not a transitional housing definition,

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 is that this becomes, at that point in time, treated the same way the city would then treat Airbnbs and those kinds of things.

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 Is it trying to get through, I mean, it almost seems like by putting its own definition in there in the PD and making it happen this way.

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 We, and I hope something like this goes through and it's there forever until the end of time.

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 But if it's not, and then it goes to the next person who has to buy it,

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 we basically lose that ability without doing a PD revision, an app can come back and do a PD revision.

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 For that property, then transfer over to a for profit, and then be able to be turned over instead of transitional housing being more affordable, low income housing or something like that.

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 So what is the purpose of why we have to have that in there?

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 That's the piece I still don't understand.

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 >> Yeah, so when this project came forward through the early development process, this was one of those that was hard to define.

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 It actually came in before the HML proposed uses.

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 So at its face, it does appear to be similar to the HML use.

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 The difference between the HML use and the transitional housing use, which is why it's specifically defined in this PD,

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 is that it's purposely intended for non-profit operation and specifically to address affordability issues for those at risk of homelessness.

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 So that's the key component in the definition and in how it's worded.

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 So in terms of ownership, if this were to change from the current owner of Grace Like Rain to another non-profit in Denton or even another non-profit anywhere else, it is restricted to a non-profit by definition.

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 >> So having it in there, we're trying to protect saying that this property can never go to a non-profit and can never go to that for-profit stature.

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 >> Yeah, it would prevent it from going to a for-profit type of owner that would then create sort of the HML use.

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 Everything within the PD is basically a restriction.

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 In order to change what's proposed within the PD, that's uses, any of the standards they're proposing,

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 it would be considered a major PD amendment, and they would have to go through the process all over again with public hearings and council approval.

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 >> Okay, I guess I'm more of just questioning why it's an issue, and maybe I'm the only one that is thinking this, and that's totally fine.

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 I would want it to only be a non-profit, but once it's built for the non-profit purpose,

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 if we have restrictive standards in there that make it to where, what if there's not another non-profit that wants to buy it?

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 And then that property is now sitting vacant with transitional housing that doesn't have a purpose at that point.

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 Without having to go through a lot of extra steps, somebody else can't come in and take what's already on the ground and convert it over to something else.

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 It seems like we're adding more restrictions to a property to save off something that actually might be needed in the future if something were to go awry.

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 And to sort of address that issue is if, for some reason, this development moves forward, let's say the PD's approved.

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 Let's say it moves forward, it's developed in let's say 20 years down the line, it no longer works.

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 There are options for a new developer to come in and possibly change it, it's an additional cost using what's on the ground.

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 They would have to rezone out of the PD, of course that's public hearings,

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 that it would be up to the community to decide whether that is appropriate for that area if it's context sensitive.

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 But there are avenues, if that's the will of PNZ and councils, to allow that flexibility.

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 There is still the opportunity to rezone a property to allow an HML use, assuming it's in the code at the time.

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 And because it's mixed use having that non-residential component, excuse me.

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 But the intent now would be for that non-profit operation.

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 But I suppose that might be a question for the developer during the regular session to answer.

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 And hopefully that answered your question now.

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 But was the definition or recommendation of staff or was that a recommendation or was that a request from the applicant?

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 That was actually a combined negotiation between staff and the developer specifically to meet those comprehensive plan goals towards affordability.

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 And meet that missing housing component for those at risk of homelessness.

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 It was more of a let's, if this is what we want to do in this area based on the comprehensive plan in the surrounding area,

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 which is mostly residential right now, we wanted to keep the integrity of the neighborhood intact.

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 So I'm not a predictor of what's going to happen in the future, maybe 20 years down the line.

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 But if those changes come, I believe there's avenues for us to be able to have that go through, if that's helpful.

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 >> Okay.

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 All right, thanks.

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 >> Haley, I have some, okay.

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 >> Yeah, I was just going to add, Scott was looking it up while we were talking.

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 There is a definition in the Code of Federal Regulations under HUD's codes for transitional housing that appears to define transitional housing as not more than 24 months.

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 So we can certainly talk with the applicant during the break before the regular meeting and clarify if that's how they're operating the facility or not.

00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:22.240
 >> And then to tack on to what Haley just said, when we define the definition or staff was proposing to help word the definition for this,

00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:25.760
 we did heavily look into HUD's definition of transitional housing.

00:24:25.760 --> 00:24:31.160
 And so that typically had the general timeframe of one, between one year and 24 months.

00:24:31.160 --> 00:24:38.760
 Of course, that was staff's assumption and not a specific requirement or specific indication by the applicant.

00:24:38.760 --> 00:24:45.240
 >> Okay, I'll look forward to that future discussion at the meeting, for sure.

00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:49.080
 Anybody else at the moment?

00:24:49.080 --> 00:24:51.760
 Okay, thanks, Graham.

00:24:51.760 --> 00:24:53.320
 >> I'll just stay here, though.

00:24:53.320 --> 00:24:57.680
 >> Because you have, let's see.

00:24:57.680 --> 00:25:02.880
 We are on, yes, 4C, Z210018.

00:25:02.880 --> 00:25:07.920
 >> I had a break for a while, and now I'm back with the last items.

00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:10.520
 >> We'll let you give your overview.

00:25:10.520 --> 00:25:15.520
 >> This one should be, I don't want to say fairly simple, but pretty straightforward.

00:25:15.520 --> 00:25:21.240
 So this request is Z21-0018, Home Depot.

00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:25.200
 So the request is related to the Razor Ranch Overlay District.

00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:31.240
 The request is to amend a landscape plan, which is Appendix D of Exhibit D,

00:25:31.240 --> 00:25:35.560
 for the Marketplace District located in the Razor Ranch Overlay District.

00:25:35.560 --> 00:25:40.760
 So just to give you a brief overview, Razor Ranch Overlay District has two main areas.

00:25:40.760 --> 00:25:47.760
 The North Campus, which is the marketplace for this area, is on the north side of US 380.

00:25:47.760 --> 00:25:50.240
 The south campus is what's south of US 380.

00:25:50.240 --> 00:25:55.560
 So this is in the marketplace north side, specifically 11.

00:25:55.560 --> 00:25:58.560
 And so I've highlighted that on the site plan.

00:25:58.560 --> 00:26:04.480
 The purpose of this zoning request is that through the Razor Ranch Overlay,

00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:10.120
 all development in the marketplace has to comply with any approved design guidelines

00:26:10.120 --> 00:26:12.080
 and approved plans.

00:26:12.080 --> 00:26:18.760
 So the marketplace area, if there are any deviations from those plans,

00:26:18.760 --> 00:26:23.720
 it does require that the applicant go through the zoning process to amend that.

00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:28.000
 So that's why it's coming as a zoning case.

00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:31.960
 So it's not really changing any zoning, but it has to go through that process

00:26:31.960 --> 00:26:33.560
 per the ordinance.

00:26:33.560 --> 00:26:36.760
 So staff is recommending approval of this request,

00:26:36.760 --> 00:26:42.640
 as they're amending a portion of an existing approved plan

00:26:42.640 --> 00:26:44.480
 rather than the entire plan.

00:26:44.480 --> 00:26:48.360
 And this is to facilitate their home improvement store development.

00:26:48.360 --> 00:26:49.840
 And with that, I can take any questions.

00:26:49.840 --> 00:26:55.120
 Any questions for Karina on this?

00:26:55.120 --> 00:27:03.920
 Just curious, are they closing and relocating the store that's

00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:06.240
 currently here in town?

00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:07.160
 I don't believe so.

00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:08.000
 The applicant is here.

00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:09.960
 They're actually here in work session, but I know

00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:12.920
 that they can address that during the regular session.

00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:17.160
 I believe it's a secondary location.

00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:19.520
 The plans for this area actually previously indicated

00:27:19.520 --> 00:27:22.040
 a Lowe's was to be located.

00:27:22.040 --> 00:27:26.080
 So the overlay does identify a home improvement store

00:27:26.080 --> 00:27:28.360
 as a specific square footage and everything.

00:27:28.360 --> 00:27:31.040
 They're not planning to change the land use or anything like that,

00:27:31.040 --> 00:27:34.640
 but it's intended to be a Home Depot instead.

00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:35.400
 Very good.

00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:38.920
 Well, I will ask them in the regular meeting.

00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:41.360
 I do not see any other questions.

00:27:41.360 --> 00:27:43.760
 Thanks, Karina.

00:27:43.760 --> 00:27:48.360
 Let's see, that will take us to our final public hearing

00:27:48.360 --> 00:27:52.160
 for DZ220001.

00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:57.000
 I'll let Lisa come up and give us a rundown of that item.

00:27:57.000 --> 00:28:03.400
 Let me see if I can pull it.

00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:09.600
 That's weird.

00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:17.040
 Oh, because this isn't the actual folder.

00:28:17.040 --> 00:28:18.960
 This is just from when y'all copied over.

00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:24.360
 Can I get to the regular--

00:28:24.360 --> 00:28:25.600
 [INAUDIBLE]

00:28:25.600 --> 00:28:28.080
 Yeah.

00:28:28.080 --> 00:28:29.720
 Let's see if it's this.

00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:37.840
 Is this right?

00:28:44.080 --> 00:28:47.120
 Where the heck is it?

00:28:47.120 --> 00:28:48.760
 Do we not have our own drive here,

00:28:48.760 --> 00:28:50.480
 or am I just not looking in the right place?

00:28:50.480 --> 00:28:56.160
 OK.

00:28:56.160 --> 00:28:58.800
 Well, in general, I can tell you about it

00:28:58.800 --> 00:29:00.720
 and figure it out before the meeting.

00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:04.240
 See, we're getting back into work session and the room

00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:05.280
 and how it works.

00:29:05.280 --> 00:29:06.520
 Yes, give us the overview.

00:29:06.520 --> 00:29:07.960
 That would be fantastic.

00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:10.280
 All right, this is going to be two acres that

00:29:10.280 --> 00:29:14.400
 is requested to be rezoned from RR to R1.

00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:17.240
 This is over on the east side of Mosh Branch Road,

00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:20.360
 just south of 1173.

00:29:20.360 --> 00:29:24.120
 The property was actually divided

00:29:24.120 --> 00:29:26.080
 from the overall parent tract that it

00:29:26.080 --> 00:29:29.880
 used to be a part of before it was annexed.

00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:37.760
 And at that time, it was given an RD5X zoning, now RR.

00:29:37.760 --> 00:29:40.520
 It's only two acres, and RR requires five acres

00:29:40.520 --> 00:29:41.200
 to develop.

00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:43.880
 And so they can't do anything with their property

00:29:43.880 --> 00:29:46.040
 at this zoning district, so they would

00:29:46.040 --> 00:29:48.040
 like to go to R1 so that they may

00:29:48.040 --> 00:29:49.360
 build a single-family home.

00:29:49.360 --> 00:29:52.840
 Great.

00:29:52.840 --> 00:29:56.800
 Commissioner Paul.

00:29:56.800 --> 00:29:59.520
 Thank you, Chair.

00:29:59.520 --> 00:30:02.120
 They're wanting to go R1 from RR.

00:30:02.120 --> 00:30:06.320
 In the flume, is this part of the light industrial?

00:30:06.320 --> 00:30:09.120
 Yes, it did just change from rural areas

00:30:09.120 --> 00:30:10.560
 to light industrial, because we've

00:30:10.560 --> 00:30:14.720
 had that influx of light industrial applications.

00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:18.640
 But this was filed under the 2030 comp plan, rather than

00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:19.720
 the 2040 that's approved.

00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:25.640
 So how does this jive with the flume?

00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:30.000
 Because this goes back to all these rural homes

00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:33.480
 on that part of town that we have just

00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:35.880
 fluned light industrial.

00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:42.960
 But here we are giving RR to R1.

00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:45.760
 In my mind, that doesn't make too much sense.

00:30:45.760 --> 00:30:52.480
 So why-- I mean, this is kind of the rub

00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:54.640
 that's going on over there.

00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:58.520
 You have someone going from R to R1.

00:30:58.520 --> 00:31:02.320
 You have, on the north side of 1173,

00:31:02.320 --> 00:31:07.840
 large R1 lots with large acre homes.

00:31:07.840 --> 00:31:11.520
 How does this go together with our flume?

00:31:11.520 --> 00:31:13.400
 It doesn't seem to.

00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:17.840
 And how can we reconcile that as a commission

00:31:17.840 --> 00:31:20.120
 when you guys are telling us to go light industrial,

00:31:20.120 --> 00:31:26.280
 but then you're acknowledging the RR R1 use here?

00:31:26.280 --> 00:31:29.680
 There's over 100 homes from 380 to 1173

00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:35.240
 that are large acre, large lot homes.

00:31:35.240 --> 00:31:40.160
 So how does this go with the flume to light industrial?

00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:43.360
 To when, eventually, you're going to go and plow them over.

00:31:43.360 --> 00:31:47.560
 The light industrial, eventually, you want that to win.

00:31:47.560 --> 00:31:51.840
 How does this come together in the overall plan?

00:31:51.840 --> 00:31:54.760
 It seems to me a big contradiction.

00:31:54.760 --> 00:31:56.480
 I don't know if-- I mean, how do we

00:31:56.480 --> 00:31:58.560
 reconcile that contradiction?

00:31:58.560 --> 00:32:03.120
 You're about to give somebody R1 when it's LI.

00:32:03.120 --> 00:32:09.000
 And on record, I've always been one to keep it RR R1.

00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:13.080
 But we're encouraging a different land use

00:32:13.080 --> 00:32:14.400
 from what the flume is.

00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:17.560
 I agree.

00:32:17.560 --> 00:32:20.560
 You make some very valid points.

00:32:20.560 --> 00:32:25.040
 And it was brought in before the 2040 was approved.

00:32:25.040 --> 00:32:27.360
 And so at the time that it came in,

00:32:27.360 --> 00:32:30.800
 we did not know for sure what was going to be approved.

00:32:30.800 --> 00:32:35.080
 It is the same kind of land use that is there currently.

00:32:35.080 --> 00:32:37.720
 We don't know when the industrial use

00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:40.360
 will come for those particular properties

00:32:40.360 --> 00:32:42.200
 right on Moss Branch.

00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:43.200
 It could be very soon.

00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:45.520
 It could be 20 years.

00:32:45.520 --> 00:32:48.800
 We feel as staff that that use would

00:32:48.800 --> 00:32:50.520
 be OK in that location right now,

00:32:50.520 --> 00:32:52.360
 as there's other uses that are the same.

00:32:52.360 --> 00:32:54.400
 And it meets the 2030 comp plan.

00:32:54.400 --> 00:33:02.520
 So it's OK for now, but in the future, maybe not.

00:33:02.520 --> 00:33:08.520
 So there is a big contradiction going on here.

00:33:08.520 --> 00:33:10.280
 And I just want you guys to realize

00:33:10.280 --> 00:33:14.200
 that of what's going on in this part of town.

00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:18.680
 There's the here and now, not the flume, not the whatever

00:33:18.680 --> 00:33:21.840
 is 20 years now, but what is there right now.

00:33:24.560 --> 00:33:27.880
 And there are so many properties,

00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:32.200
 like I said, from 380 all the way to 1173 or 1171,

00:33:32.200 --> 00:33:35.440
 that we're just going to let you have this now.

00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:39.280
 But in the future, it's going to be a lot industrial.

00:33:39.280 --> 00:33:42.440
 How do you reconcile that?

00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:43.920
 I'm sorry to be confrontational.

00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:44.720
 I don't mean to be.

00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:49.280
 But this is something that I've always had an opinion on

00:33:49.280 --> 00:33:55.240
 and have always been vocal about, because that's me.

00:33:55.240 --> 00:34:02.040
 You know, this is-- how do you reconcile that?

00:34:02.040 --> 00:34:04.160
 Commissioner Cole, thank you very much.

00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:08.200
 As Lisa had indicated, the current zoning on the property

00:34:08.200 --> 00:34:11.200
 is what we're working with, and the proposed zoning of what

00:34:11.200 --> 00:34:13.240
 they're asking to go to.

00:34:13.240 --> 00:34:15.680
 The future land use map is just that.

00:34:15.680 --> 00:34:19.040
 It is a potential future land use map.

00:34:19.040 --> 00:34:20.720
 All of those properties will have

00:34:20.720 --> 00:34:25.840
 to come before this body, as well as council, to rezone.

00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:28.880
 So if it is the will of the commission and the council

00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:32.320
 not to rezone to a light industrial,

00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:33.680
 then that will be the case.

00:34:33.680 --> 00:34:35.320
 And then, of course, our development code

00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:36.880
 does have standards in place where

00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:38.840
 it is that any of the buffering or what

00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:41.280
 may occur with adjacent properties,

00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:43.680
 those existing residences.

00:34:43.680 --> 00:34:46.520
 For this particular case, the property owner

00:34:46.520 --> 00:34:49.520
 has a piece of property that doesn't comply with RR.

00:34:49.520 --> 00:34:52.200
 They're looking for R1 and looking for this body

00:34:52.200 --> 00:34:55.360
 to take action on that particular case.

00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:55.880
 Fair enough.

00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:56.520
 Thank you, Scott.

00:34:56.520 --> 00:34:57.280
 I appreciate that.

00:34:57.280 --> 00:34:58.160
 Thank you so much.

00:34:58.160 --> 00:35:01.080
 Thank you.

00:35:01.080 --> 00:35:04.960
 I guess let me just ask a question in that same vein.

00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:07.880
 So in our backup, we've got a snippet

00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:11.520
 of the future land use map.

00:35:11.520 --> 00:35:16.160
 Has this map changed that I'm looking at?

00:35:16.160 --> 00:35:17.480
 The one that you're looking at?

00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:18.800
 Yes, likely.

00:35:18.800 --> 00:35:26.920
 OK, because this falls into rural area in our backup.

00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:29.720
 But now it's been consumed with--

00:35:29.720 --> 00:35:31.480
 so this has been taken up because we

00:35:31.480 --> 00:35:35.120
 had business innovation, which became light industrial.

00:35:35.120 --> 00:35:39.400
 And then this has been taken into that, too?

00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:43.680
 Yes, since this agenda was prepared before the 2040

00:35:43.680 --> 00:35:46.200
 comprehensive plan adoption, all of our maps

00:35:46.200 --> 00:35:47.360
 rely on the 2030 plan.

00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:50.560
 And all of our analysis is based upon that

00:35:50.560 --> 00:35:52.040
 because all these applications began

00:35:52.040 --> 00:35:54.000
 under that previous comp plan.

00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:56.080
 So all of them, yes, the maps in your backup

00:35:56.080 --> 00:35:57.240
 have possibly changed.

00:35:57.240 --> 00:35:59.400
 And we did our best to address that in the reports

00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:03.080
 to acknowledge the changes in the map cards.

00:36:03.080 --> 00:36:04.920
 OK.

00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:06.000
 Commissioner Anderson.

00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:06.600
 Thanks, Chair.

00:36:06.600 --> 00:36:08.440
 I do have a question to go along with what

00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:10.320
 Commissioner Cole was saying.

00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:16.120
 So I believe you said that in the future,

00:36:16.120 --> 00:36:19.520
 if somebody wants to turn their R1 or whatever

00:36:19.520 --> 00:36:23.000
 into light industrial, it'd have to come before the board.

00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:27.080
 So this is hypothetical.

00:36:27.080 --> 00:36:29.720
 Jason owns a lot of land right here next to mine.

00:36:29.720 --> 00:36:32.520
 And I want R1.

00:36:32.520 --> 00:36:34.000
 But Jason's like, I'm out of town.

00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:34.520
 I'm leaving.

00:36:34.520 --> 00:36:36.240
 I'm moving to Colorado.

00:36:36.240 --> 00:36:38.680
 I want to sell mine, and this light industrial comes in.

00:36:38.680 --> 00:36:41.200
 So now my rural house is going to have a light industrial

00:36:41.200 --> 00:36:43.040
 built right next to it.

00:36:43.040 --> 00:36:44.280
 That's what I don't understand.

00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:46.160
 And I'm on the same thing with Jason.

00:36:46.160 --> 00:36:48.760
 I don't like this because those are rural communities.

00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:52.120
 Those people lived there for many years.

00:36:52.120 --> 00:36:56.160
 So I like-- should somebody explain that one?

00:36:56.160 --> 00:36:58.080
 So I'll take my best stab at that.

00:36:58.080 --> 00:36:59.840
 So we've had similar cases before,

00:36:59.840 --> 00:37:01.800
 like the ones on Miller Road that you all

00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:04.240
 saw just a few months ago.

00:37:04.240 --> 00:37:06.120
 The pieces of property that we've

00:37:06.120 --> 00:37:09.000
 had these recent rezonings for are all one to two acres

00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:09.880
 at most.

00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:12.800
 Those are, in all reality, not likely to develop

00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:13.480
 as industrial.

00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:15.200
 You would have to be--

00:37:15.200 --> 00:37:18.760
 most industrial developments we see occur 20-plus acres of land,

00:37:18.760 --> 00:37:20.960
 most of the time 100-plus.

00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:23.200
 The likelihood in these residential areas

00:37:23.200 --> 00:37:25.640
 of some developer coming in and buying the entire neighborhood

00:37:25.640 --> 00:37:28.760
 to rezone and develop is very unlikely.

00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:30.640
 If someone did choose to do that,

00:37:30.640 --> 00:37:33.200
 that would have to come before the P&Z and council

00:37:33.200 --> 00:37:34.120
 to make that request.

00:37:34.120 --> 00:37:36.000
 And we would have to do that analysis

00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:38.480
 based on the context, based on the comprehensive plan,

00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:40.960
 based on our zoning standards, the reality of them

00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:43.200
 even being able to develop with the buffer standards

00:37:43.200 --> 00:37:44.800
 and everything else that's in the code.

00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:47.680
 So it's not just the future land use map.

00:37:47.680 --> 00:37:49.680
 As Scott mentioned, that's a potential.

00:37:49.680 --> 00:37:51.960
 That's an aspirational thing that someday

00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:56.080
 we see that area as a very sensible place for light

00:37:56.080 --> 00:37:57.600
 industrial, given what's occurring.

00:37:57.600 --> 00:37:59.080
 But that doesn't mean every parcel is

00:37:59.080 --> 00:38:00.560
 appropriate for light industrial.

00:38:00.560 --> 00:38:03.160
 And that's where we have to look at the context of each rezoning

00:38:03.160 --> 00:38:03.880
 application.

00:38:03.880 --> 00:38:06.920
 And I might piggyback on that, oftentimes

00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:10.800
 that it'll come before this body and council and be denied,

00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:13.160
 whether it's even remotely close to a residential

00:38:13.160 --> 00:38:15.000
 or an industrial.

00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:19.240
 So it will be a parcel by parcel piece.

00:38:19.240 --> 00:38:23.760
 And I think we're mixing two pieces to this,

00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:26.320
 is that we've got a property owner that's requesting

00:38:26.320 --> 00:38:29.120
 to go from RR to an R1.

00:38:29.120 --> 00:38:31.800
 And that's almost the focus we need to be on,

00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:34.560
 different from where it is the future land use

00:38:34.560 --> 00:38:40.280
 map has what it is, as Haley had stated, it's aspirational.

00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:41.960
 That may be the case.

00:38:41.960 --> 00:38:44.200
 It's an appropriate place if we are

00:38:44.200 --> 00:38:46.640
 going to have light industrial in the city of Denton.

00:38:46.640 --> 00:38:48.600
 Doesn't mean that it will be.

00:38:48.600 --> 00:38:51.840
 And in many instances, it will not be.

00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:54.400
 That really should be a clouded fuzzy.

00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:55.600
 It's not a hard line.

00:38:55.600 --> 00:38:58.800
 It's just we have to draw a boundary somewhere.

00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:02.400
 It is the current zoning map that really

00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:04.440
 specifies what it is we have in law,

00:39:04.440 --> 00:39:06.640
 rather than what it is we're looking at to say,

00:39:06.640 --> 00:39:09.120
 this is what we think may happen.

00:39:09.120 --> 00:39:11.440
 Then why put it out there then?

00:39:11.440 --> 00:39:16.120
 Because it's going to give other developers and businesses

00:39:16.120 --> 00:39:17.960
 the hope, hey, I want to buy this.

00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:20.920
 And like you said, if they want to buy 20 acres,

00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:23.400
 50 acres to build something, they

00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:25.760
 have the money to buy these people out.

00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:27.280
 And that's typically what happens

00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:29.480
 as far as just someone will come in and look,

00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:31.200
 and they'll do their due diligence to see

00:39:31.200 --> 00:39:33.720
 if, in fact, they can get the entitlements for the property.

00:39:33.720 --> 00:39:35.280
 If they can't, then they typically

00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:36.480
 have options on the property.

00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:39.280
 But these corporations and businesses,

00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:41.480
 they're looking at our maps to find out

00:39:41.480 --> 00:39:43.400
 where they can expand to, where they can go.

00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:44.640
 And they're going to see that on the map,

00:39:44.640 --> 00:39:46.320
 going, oh, this is their future land map.

00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:48.200
 I'm going to start buying up land out here.

00:39:48.200 --> 00:39:49.960
 And then you got Mr. Cole over here,

00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:52.920
 sold his lot to--

00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:54.040
 nothing against Home Depot.

00:39:54.040 --> 00:39:56.000
 I'm glad you are moving to a second location.

00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:57.320
 I'm very happy about that.

00:39:57.320 --> 00:39:59.000
 But what if Home Depot, when our loads,

00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:00.760
 their competition want to put a big old lot out there?

00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:01.800
 You know, now they're going to-- they

00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:04.320
 have the money to buy all that land out there and develop.

00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:07.280
 But we're giving them an idea, hey, this is where you can go.

00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:09.680
 And it's kind of wrong to the people that live out there.

00:40:09.680 --> 00:40:12.440
 That's, I think, what Mr. Coon, Mr. Cole, and what I'm thinking.

00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:15.280
 And we certainly can have some of those conversations.

00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:17.600
 And I think it's very appropriate,

00:40:17.600 --> 00:40:20.560
 as we look at what you're going to have for a work session

00:40:20.560 --> 00:40:23.400
 here today, is the area plans.

00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:25.640
 And as we talk about those area plans,

00:40:25.640 --> 00:40:27.080
 and part of that conversation when

00:40:27.080 --> 00:40:31.080
 we went before this group, as well as going before council,

00:40:31.080 --> 00:40:33.840
 is the idea and the concept of where

00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:37.800
 it is we may make amendments to the comprehensive plan

00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:40.400
 as a result of getting in and talking

00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:43.120
 about the detail of specific areas.

00:40:43.120 --> 00:40:45.320
 And the areas that you're going to see this evening

00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:47.480
 are going to be larger areas.

00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:51.080
 But we certainly can't take 4,000 or 7,000 acres

00:40:51.080 --> 00:40:52.360
 and create an area plan.

00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:55.120
 We're going to have to break those into smaller pieces.

00:40:55.120 --> 00:40:57.480
 We're looking to get priorities, what path we're going to go

00:40:57.480 --> 00:41:00.120
 down, and then we'll have those conversations.

00:41:00.120 --> 00:41:01.800
 So I'm just trying to focus and make sure

00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:05.640
 we're staying on topic with this item, which is truly

00:41:05.640 --> 00:41:08.800
 a property owner asking to rezone their property

00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:10.920
 from an RR to an R1.

00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:14.760
 And we absolutely will entertain any future conversations

00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:17.920
 regarding the future land use map, the comp plan,

00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:19.880
 and the area plans are going to do exactly

00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:23.440
 what it is this conversation is taking place with.

00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:26.080
 Thank you, Scott, and I think we've

00:41:26.080 --> 00:41:27.840
 veered close enough to being off posting

00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:30.680
 that if we can put a pin in this element there,

00:41:30.680 --> 00:41:32.360
 that would be good.

00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:32.880
 Thank you.

00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:36.480
 And I think staying on topic with this,

00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:38.640
 I think the request, they are surrounded

00:41:38.640 --> 00:41:41.040
 by single-family homes by and large.

00:41:41.040 --> 00:41:44.080
 There are some undeveloped land around them.

00:41:44.080 --> 00:41:45.640
 I think my only question, and we can

00:41:45.640 --> 00:41:47.200
 talk about this in the public hearing,

00:41:47.200 --> 00:41:52.880
 is does the applicant know that the future land use map

00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:55.760
 looks different than it did in what

00:41:55.760 --> 00:41:57.640
 this is being considered under?

00:41:57.640 --> 00:42:00.280
 So I don't know if you have an answer to that question,

00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:05.600
 but I'm going to ask that question in the public hearing.

00:42:05.600 --> 00:42:07.800
 Commissioner Brut.

00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:08.480
 Thank you, Chair.

00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:10.920
 And again, just to make sure we're focused on this,

00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:15.080
 I think if you can remind us in the public hearing specifically

00:42:15.080 --> 00:42:16.840
 what those buffering requirements are

00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:19.800
 between residential and industrial land uses

00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:23.240
 and whether they differ between RR and R1 zoning,

00:42:23.240 --> 00:42:23.880
 that would help.

00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:26.360
 Thank you.

00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:28.480
 Anybody else before we move along?

00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:33.120
 OK, thanks, Lisa.

00:42:33.120 --> 00:42:39.040
 OK, that's the end of our public hearing items on the agenda.

00:42:39.040 --> 00:42:47.520
 So that will take us to our work session report for today.

00:42:47.520 --> 00:42:50.120
 Trying to figure out if we need to break and get

00:42:50.120 --> 00:42:51.640
 food before our discussion.

00:42:51.640 --> 00:42:54.560
 So give me just a second, because I

00:42:54.560 --> 00:42:56.480
 don't know if it's here.

00:42:56.480 --> 00:42:58.240
 It is here?

00:42:58.240 --> 00:43:02.520
 I will-- let me get the commission's thoughts on this.

00:43:02.520 --> 00:43:05.080
 Do you want to break super quick to get food?

00:43:05.080 --> 00:43:07.360
 Bring it here, and then we can move along.

00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:10.220
 OK, let's adjourn for food at 543.

00:43:10.220 --> 00:43:13.500
 Grab it, and let's resume as soon as possible.

00:43:13.500 --> 00:43:14.000
 Thanks.

00:43:17.520 --> 00:43:22.640
 [AUDIO OUT]

00:43:22.640 --> 00:43:26.280
 Work session for Wednesday, March 23rd.

00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:29.120
 I will call us back to order at 555.

00:43:29.120 --> 00:43:31.200
 We will move to our work session report

00:43:31.200 --> 00:43:33.800
 of the evening, which is Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion,

00:43:33.800 --> 00:43:36.920
 Give Staff Direction Regarding Prioritizing Area Plans.

00:43:36.920 --> 00:43:37.760
 Hi, Ron.

00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:39.240
 Good afternoon, everyone.

00:43:39.240 --> 00:43:43.720
 Again, Ron, [INAUDIBLE]

00:43:43.720 --> 00:43:45.800
 Happy to be here presenting this item.

00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:49.240
 Obviously, as you all know, we did adopt or approve

00:43:49.240 --> 00:43:52.240
 the comprehensive plan, the DEN2040 comprehensive plan.

00:43:52.240 --> 00:43:54.840
 And one of the first actions that we're working on

00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:56.400
 is obviously the area plan.

00:43:56.400 --> 00:43:59.400
 So with that, I'm going to go ahead and start my presentation.

00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:02.920
 And before I begin, I just wanted

00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:06.480
 to share a few things on why we want to see area plans,

00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:09.440
 why it is necessary, why it is needed.

00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:12.620
 It is really to establish a refined and more specific

00:44:12.620 --> 00:44:14.720
 vision for an area.

00:44:14.720 --> 00:44:17.080
 I know that there was some discussion earlier

00:44:17.080 --> 00:44:20.120
 what this area should be, how this area should be developed.

00:44:20.120 --> 00:44:22.160
 I think through the area planning efforts,

00:44:22.160 --> 00:44:24.560
 that is something that we will accomplish.

00:44:24.560 --> 00:44:27.160
 Land preservation is also another reason

00:44:27.160 --> 00:44:28.960
 why area plans are important.

00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:32.320
 It identifies certain areas that should be preserved.

00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:34.760
 Development pressures and opportunities.

00:44:34.760 --> 00:44:38.000
 We see areas in our city today all over.

00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:40.160
 Someone asks, where are the development pressures

00:44:40.160 --> 00:44:40.840
 within the city?

00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:42.160
 Well, it's everywhere.

00:44:42.160 --> 00:44:43.940
 And when you see the map-- and I think

00:44:43.940 --> 00:44:47.080
 you have a copy of the map that we're proposing or recommending

00:44:47.080 --> 00:44:48.640
 rankings for area plans--

00:44:48.640 --> 00:44:49.400
 it's all over.

00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:52.080
 It's not just one location.

00:44:52.080 --> 00:44:55.720
 Maintain versus establishing a character, a new character

00:44:55.720 --> 00:44:57.200
 for that area.

00:44:57.200 --> 00:45:00.320
 That is something that an area plan can accomplish.

00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:03.040
 Infrastructure mobility challenges.

00:45:03.040 --> 00:45:05.640
 There is an area that we know that is struggling

00:45:05.640 --> 00:45:06.920
 with mobility right now.

00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:10.500
 And so we want to make sure that whatever that solution is,

00:45:10.500 --> 00:45:13.880
 resolution is, we will refine what that is

00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:17.580
 and figure out what can be done to address those challenges.

00:45:17.580 --> 00:45:19.400
 Community interest and partnership.

00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:22.120
 We have a lot of folks that are interested in finding out

00:45:22.120 --> 00:45:24.800
 what that next level is, what that vision is for that city.

00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:27.760
 So we know we have a group in town

00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:29.960
 that has already started that process,

00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:32.560
 and they've got a great interest in seeing an area plan.

00:45:32.560 --> 00:45:36.160
 We want to see them through that process.

00:45:36.160 --> 00:45:37.920
 And the last two is really the implementation

00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:40.680
 of the comprehensive plan, as well as

00:45:40.680 --> 00:45:43.560
 what we're referring to the focus area concept

00:45:43.560 --> 00:45:45.320
 map that is shown here.

00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:49.680
 You can see that there are centers.

00:45:49.680 --> 00:45:53.440
 There are areas shown in red that are more corridors.

00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:55.000
 And corridors are basically that you

00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:57.240
 can just imagine just an area that's

00:45:57.240 --> 00:46:01.600
 along a major corridor, such as University, Mayhill, Loop 288,

00:46:01.600 --> 00:46:03.560
 or whatever it may be.

00:46:03.560 --> 00:46:08.640
 And so that is really why we want to see area plans.

00:46:08.640 --> 00:46:10.320
 Two slides here, just really quickly,

00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:13.160
 to kind of identify where in our comprehensive plan

00:46:13.160 --> 00:46:16.920
 that specifically says area plans are needed,

00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:17.840
 why it's needed.

00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:21.040
 So in element two, which is our land use element,

00:46:21.040 --> 00:46:24.760
 it talks about action items that creating area plans

00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:28.280
 are for certain areas to create, again, what we already

00:46:28.280 --> 00:46:30.680
 discussed in the very first slide.

00:46:30.680 --> 00:46:32.160
 I won't read through all of this.

00:46:32.160 --> 00:46:35.320
 Prioritizing 281, it specifically

00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:40.160
 says prioritize and create area plans for centers, corridors,

00:46:40.160 --> 00:46:44.240
 and other areas within the focus area concept map.

00:46:44.240 --> 00:46:46.240
 So that is why we're here today, is really

00:46:46.240 --> 00:46:48.920
 to prioritize the area plan.

00:46:48.920 --> 00:46:50.360
 We're not here to talk specifically

00:46:50.360 --> 00:46:53.720
 about that area specifically, but just really

00:46:53.720 --> 00:46:57.520
 where we want those first area plans to be.

00:46:57.520 --> 00:46:59.600
 Ultimately, we will be sharing this information

00:46:59.600 --> 00:47:01.120
 with the city council.

00:47:01.120 --> 00:47:03.200
 They will then talk about if they

00:47:03.200 --> 00:47:05.040
 agree with the recommendation.

00:47:05.040 --> 00:47:10.320
 And then two, what number of area plans, excuse me,

00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:11.400
 that we want to accomplish?

00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:12.680
 Do we want to do one a year?

00:47:12.680 --> 00:47:14.080
 Do we want to do two a year?

00:47:14.080 --> 00:47:14.960
 Whatever it may be.

00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:17.480
 That is something that will be discussed at that level

00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:20.960
 with the city council.

00:47:20.960 --> 00:47:23.920
 Another element in the comprehensive plan

00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:26.240
 is element number four.

00:47:26.240 --> 00:47:30.600
 Element number four, again, action 4124 says the same thing.

00:47:30.600 --> 00:47:32.960
 Create a prioritization.

00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:35.160
 And that, again, is why we're here today,

00:47:35.160 --> 00:47:37.840
 is to prioritize these area plans.

00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:41.760
 Now, staff took the initiative and identified the areas

00:47:41.760 --> 00:47:44.120
 that we feel are important.

00:47:44.120 --> 00:47:47.960
 And we've actually ranked them from 1 to 10.

00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:53.040
 Our ranking from 1 to 5 is probably more needed.

00:47:53.040 --> 00:47:57.200
 The 6 through 10 is something that we know

00:47:57.200 --> 00:47:58.160
 that needs to be done.

00:47:58.160 --> 00:48:02.440
 But really, 1 through 5 is really our focus.

00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:04.240
 So here's that list.

00:48:04.240 --> 00:48:12.000
 1 through 10, you have a copy of this slide on your desk.

00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:15.880
 My hope is that at the end of this presentation,

00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:20.680
 the Planning Zoning Commission will share what they believe

00:48:20.680 --> 00:48:23.120
 is the ranking of the area plans.

00:48:23.120 --> 00:48:25.800
 This is the list that we developed.

00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:29.520
 There are other areas that you are obviously aware of that

00:48:29.520 --> 00:48:31.360
 may not be represented here.

00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:33.680
 And we'll certainly take that into consideration.

00:48:33.680 --> 00:48:37.440
 And we'll forward that message to the city council.

00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:39.240
 But again, this is staff's recommendation.

00:48:39.240 --> 00:48:41.680
 So take a look at this.

00:48:41.680 --> 00:48:44.200
 And as I go through the presentation

00:48:44.200 --> 00:48:47.360
 and you feel that 1 is important,

00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:49.360
 circle that or identify it.

00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:52.080
 So again, when we circle back with the commission

00:48:52.080 --> 00:48:54.000
 at the end of this presentation, we

00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:58.440
 want to hear from you all what your top three, your top four

00:48:58.440 --> 00:48:59.280
 is.

00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:02.040
 And then again, that will be what

00:49:02.040 --> 00:49:06.960
 we will be forwarding to city council on your behalf.

00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:08.840
 So we'll go ahead and get started.

00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:12.160
 Any questions so far before we get to the next slide?

00:49:12.160 --> 00:49:13.440
 Commissioner Smith.

00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:15.680
 Ron, I'll save most of my questions for the end.

00:49:15.680 --> 00:49:17.600
 But are there any areas that are not on there

00:49:17.600 --> 00:49:19.120
 that you guys talked about but didn't you

00:49:19.120 --> 00:49:20.200
 exclude it off of there?

00:49:20.200 --> 00:49:22.240
 There's one up there that I would recommend.

00:49:22.240 --> 00:49:25.040
 Honestly, we were focusing on, like I said earlier,

00:49:25.040 --> 00:49:26.280
 the top five.

00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:30.600
 We wanted to give you all additional areas as well.

00:49:30.600 --> 00:49:32.760
 So we built it up to 10.

00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:34.240
 But to answer your question, no.

00:49:34.240 --> 00:49:36.040
 I think the list that we have here

00:49:36.040 --> 00:49:38.800
 is what staffs believe should be represented.

00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:39.300
 OK.

00:49:39.300 --> 00:49:39.800
 Thanks.

00:49:39.800 --> 00:49:43.040
 OK.

00:49:43.040 --> 00:49:44.200
 Thanks, Ron.

00:49:44.200 --> 00:49:49.640
 OK, so the first one is the Northeast area, primarily

00:49:49.640 --> 00:49:52.600
 Loop 288 and Sherman, the area that you

00:49:52.600 --> 00:49:55.400
 see highlighted here in yellow.

00:49:55.400 --> 00:49:58.280
 And again, before we get further,

00:49:58.280 --> 00:50:00.360
 I just want to say that the boundaries

00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:01.640
 are general boundaries.

00:50:01.640 --> 00:50:02.760
 Don't focus on the boundary.

00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:04.520
 Just focus on the area.

00:50:04.520 --> 00:50:07.920
 As we start this process of area planning,

00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:10.160
 we will refine that boundary.

00:50:10.160 --> 00:50:11.160
 It could get smaller.

00:50:11.160 --> 00:50:12.200
 We hope it gets smaller.

00:50:12.200 --> 00:50:14.520
 This is a very big area.

00:50:14.520 --> 00:50:16.480
 But in other areas, it could get bigger.

00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:19.480
 But for the most part, this is the general area

00:50:19.480 --> 00:50:23.000
 that we have been looking at and have

00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:27.000
 been presented by the community that lives in this area

00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:28.920
 as a study area.

00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:31.760
 And so this is what we are beginning with.

00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:36.800
 It's approximately 7,000 acres of almost 700 parcels.

00:50:36.800 --> 00:50:39.080
 And you all know this area primarily

00:50:39.080 --> 00:50:40.720
 because of the development pressure

00:50:40.720 --> 00:50:42.160
 that we've seen lately.

00:50:42.160 --> 00:50:45.560
 There has been two planned developments in this area.

00:50:45.560 --> 00:50:48.000
 It's primarily rural.

00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:52.320
 The area has a lot of natural resources,

00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:54.280
 environmental-sensitive areas, and floodplains.

00:50:54.280 --> 00:50:56.320
 So land preservation is something

00:50:56.320 --> 00:50:58.560
 that we would like to focus on.

00:50:58.560 --> 00:51:00.160
 Infrastructure and mobility.

00:51:00.160 --> 00:51:02.520
 There was-- not too far from here,

00:51:02.520 --> 00:51:07.400
 or right within this boundary, there was a planned development.

00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:10.160
 And some of the concerns was traffic

00:51:10.160 --> 00:51:11.880
 and related to King's Way.

00:51:11.880 --> 00:51:14.760
 So infrastructure and mobility challenges

00:51:14.760 --> 00:51:18.560
 is something that we would like to focus our study on.

00:51:18.560 --> 00:51:20.440
 Again, I spoke about the community interests.

00:51:20.440 --> 00:51:21.480
 We already know that.

00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:24.000
 And then also, council has already

00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:31.480
 mentioned that this is an area of interest for an area plan.

00:51:31.480 --> 00:51:33.560
 Southeast area plan.

00:51:33.560 --> 00:51:38.000
 Also referred to the Southeast Den Neighborhood Alliance

00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:39.200
 area.

00:51:39.200 --> 00:51:42.520
 The boundary that you see here, again, is what we believe

00:51:42.520 --> 00:51:46.520
 represents the area that we would like to study.

00:51:46.520 --> 00:51:49.000
 The boundaries, again, will most likely change

00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:52.200
 as we get further into the analysis.

00:51:52.200 --> 00:51:53.960
 And I want to preface that there will

00:51:53.960 --> 00:51:57.280
 be some overlaps between the next few area plans.

00:51:57.280 --> 00:51:59.040
 But if you look at this boundary,

00:51:59.040 --> 00:52:04.240
 this is what we can believe the Southeast Denton Neighborhood

00:52:04.240 --> 00:52:07.040
 Alliance area represents.

00:52:07.040 --> 00:52:09.680
 One of the challenges that we know is happening there

00:52:09.680 --> 00:52:14.800
 is obviously there's an issue of maintaining its character.

00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:18.800
 We see development pressures from the downtown area

00:52:18.800 --> 00:52:20.360
 coming to this area.

00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:26.080
 We also want to make sure that we capitalize

00:52:26.080 --> 00:52:28.240
 on the assets that's there.

00:52:28.240 --> 00:52:30.000
 So what are those?

00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:33.080
 Well, we'll find out with the area plan.

00:52:33.080 --> 00:52:35.480
 Once we define those assets, we can then

00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:37.680
 build on and capitalize on those.

00:52:37.680 --> 00:52:40.440
 And then again, council has expressed interest for this area

00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:42.560
 as an area plan.

00:52:42.560 --> 00:52:44.600
 I can tell you back when I first started,

00:52:44.600 --> 00:52:48.880
 there was a draft area plan for this area.

00:52:48.880 --> 00:52:53.960
 It was never really fully approved.

00:52:53.960 --> 00:52:56.280
 It went through a number of public meetings,

00:52:56.280 --> 00:52:58.160
 but we never really approved it.

00:52:58.160 --> 00:53:00.960
 So I know that this is something that we desperately

00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:04.000
 need for this area.

00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:06.320
 We have seen-- the Planning Zoning Commission have seen

00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:09.360
 developments happen in this area and have

00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:13.160
 seen a lot of questions and issues related

00:53:13.160 --> 00:53:15.360
 to compatibility, traffic.

00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:17.160
 So again, an area that we definitely

00:53:17.160 --> 00:53:19.200
 need to develop an area plan.

00:53:19.200 --> 00:53:24.160
 Downtown Master Plan update.

00:53:24.160 --> 00:53:29.800
 The last time this plan was approved was back in 2000.

00:53:29.800 --> 00:53:32.200
 This area continues to grow.

00:53:32.200 --> 00:53:34.520
 And again, as you already know, it

00:53:34.520 --> 00:53:37.960
 abuts the southeast end neighborhood area.

00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:39.640
 One of the challenges that we will have

00:53:39.640 --> 00:53:43.080
 or one of the tasks that we will need to do

00:53:43.080 --> 00:53:47.720
 is make sure that we find that compatibility area,

00:53:47.720 --> 00:53:50.280
 create that transition area, and make sure

00:53:50.280 --> 00:53:54.960
 that both of these areas are represented

00:53:54.960 --> 00:53:58.180
 and any issues that are created are addressed.

00:53:58.180 --> 00:54:00.520
 So through that area planning, that is something

00:54:00.520 --> 00:54:02.160
 that we will do.

00:54:02.160 --> 00:54:05.240
 We see development pressure, again, in the downtown.

00:54:05.240 --> 00:54:08.320
 The character of the downtown we want to maintain.

00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:11.000
 We see infrastructure, mainly infrastructure.

00:54:11.000 --> 00:54:16.200
 We know that the drainage in the area is being worked on.

00:54:16.200 --> 00:54:19.920
 And again, there are approved developments happening today.

00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:22.880
 And we are continuing to see more development proposals

00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:27.800
 in this area, and it does affect other areas adjacent to them.

00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:31.920
 So how do we make sure that those areas are also protected?

00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:32.960
 Adjacent to this area.

00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:40.480
 Number four is the area northwest of town.

00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:47.360
 This is the area where Loop 288, I-35, 77,

00:54:47.360 --> 00:54:50.040
 and to a certain degree, all of the light industrial,

00:54:50.040 --> 00:54:53.560
 again, what we had discussed earlier, encompasses.

00:54:53.560 --> 00:54:56.780
 We know that light industrial is a future land use designation

00:54:56.780 --> 00:55:00.320
 to the west of I-35 and then to the east.

00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:03.240
 Continues to be business innovation.

00:55:03.240 --> 00:55:05.960
 That's a very high level designation.

00:55:05.960 --> 00:55:07.440
 What is the vision for this area?

00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:09.920
 And so again, the reasons for this area plan

00:55:09.920 --> 00:55:11.880
 is, again, to refine what that vision is,

00:55:11.880 --> 00:55:15.200
 to understand more specifically what that area or this area

00:55:15.200 --> 00:55:16.320
 should be.

00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:18.920
 It is a gateway into the city.

00:55:18.920 --> 00:55:21.680
 We need to make sure that we create that identity of what

00:55:21.680 --> 00:55:24.000
 we want visitors to see.

00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:26.200
 We have a lot of development pressures.

00:55:26.200 --> 00:55:29.880
 Not only non-residential, but also residential.

00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:31.520
 Infrastructure challenges.

00:55:31.520 --> 00:55:33.400
 There's not a whole lot happening in this area

00:55:33.400 --> 00:55:34.680
 as far as infrastructure.

00:55:34.680 --> 00:55:37.800
 So as development occurs, they're

00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:41.640
 required to provide or bring to the site

00:55:41.640 --> 00:55:45.320
 that infrastructure, water and wastewater specifically.

00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:49.560
 Dallas Drive.

00:55:49.560 --> 00:55:51.080
 Excuse me, Ron.

00:55:51.080 --> 00:55:52.120
 Mr. Cole.

00:55:52.120 --> 00:55:52.960
 Sorry, Ron.

00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:55.560
 Thank you, Chair.

00:55:55.560 --> 00:56:01.680
 There is a House bill that is about to be reborn

00:56:01.680 --> 00:56:04.160
 on de-annexation.

00:56:04.160 --> 00:56:07.000
 And you just said something.

00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:10.160
 This area has no infrastructure.

00:56:10.160 --> 00:56:14.280
 So let's say, for sake of arguments,

00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:18.240
 this House bill passes.

00:56:18.240 --> 00:56:21.200
 And I can't remember the number House bill,

00:56:21.200 --> 00:56:23.440
 but you know what I'm talking about.

00:56:23.440 --> 00:56:26.360
 So if a city cannot provide infrastructure,

00:56:26.360 --> 00:56:30.160
 that area will be able to basically de-annex.

00:56:30.160 --> 00:56:35.520
 How does that fit into your overall strategy and planning?

00:56:35.520 --> 00:56:39.680
 Because one of the hardest things we have as a city

00:56:39.680 --> 00:56:46.360
 is that we're under something that I would call hyper growth.

00:56:46.360 --> 00:56:50.000
 Five, maybe six municipalities in this country

00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:55.160
 have seen the growth-- I mean, we have to redo our numbers

00:56:55.160 --> 00:56:57.320
 every quarter, our growth numbers.

00:56:57.320 --> 00:56:59.720
 I mean, the only thing I've seen close to this

00:56:59.720 --> 00:57:05.680
 would be the Atlanta suburbs of Duluth, Georgia in the '90s.

00:57:05.680 --> 00:57:07.640
 I worked for a biotech company out of there.

00:57:07.640 --> 00:57:08.720
 Commissioner Cole.

00:57:08.720 --> 00:57:09.200
 Ma'am.

00:57:09.200 --> 00:57:10.960
 We could be getting off topic.

00:57:10.960 --> 00:57:11.720
 Oh, sorry.

00:57:11.720 --> 00:57:14.760
 No, if it's germane to this, that's great.

00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:18.360
 Otherwise, you may have something

00:57:18.360 --> 00:57:21.440
 to add to the matrix for a work session.

00:57:21.440 --> 00:57:22.880
 Sure.

00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:23.840
 Thank you, Chair.

00:57:23.840 --> 00:57:25.960
 Thank you for that, Commissioner Cole.

00:57:25.960 --> 00:57:28.640
 And we'll certainly make sure that we follow up

00:57:28.640 --> 00:57:30.800
 on that as we do the area plan for this area.

00:57:30.800 --> 00:57:38.240
 Dallas Drive, number five, I believe,

00:57:38.240 --> 00:57:42.440
 related to an area plan or a corridor plan.

00:57:42.440 --> 00:57:46.600
 I know that there is a difference between the two.

00:57:46.600 --> 00:57:48.600
 An area plan is obviously a larger area,

00:57:48.600 --> 00:57:53.680
 involves a lot of properties that may not necessarily

00:57:53.680 --> 00:57:55.480
 be on a major corridor.

00:57:55.480 --> 00:57:57.600
 This happens to be Dallas Drive.

00:57:57.600 --> 00:57:59.240
 And for those that are familiar--

00:57:59.240 --> 00:58:01.840
 I'm sure all of you are familiar with Dallas Drive--

00:58:01.840 --> 00:58:03.240
 it needs a little help.

00:58:03.240 --> 00:58:05.280
 And so not only on the private side,

00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:06.520
 but also on the public side.

00:58:06.520 --> 00:58:08.640
 And so not only will an area plan

00:58:08.640 --> 00:58:10.200
 look at the private side of things,

00:58:10.200 --> 00:58:12.960
 but we will also look at what can

00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:16.680
 be done to improve the public side of this corridor.

00:58:16.680 --> 00:58:21.520
 So again, something that we feel is necessary for a corridor

00:58:21.520 --> 00:58:27.640
 plan to occur for this particular Dallas Drive.

00:58:27.640 --> 00:58:30.200
 The next one is Fort Worth Drive, another entry

00:58:30.200 --> 00:58:32.280
 into the city, another gateway into the city,

00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:34.160
 similar to Dallas Drive.

00:58:34.160 --> 00:58:35.040
 Needs some work.

00:58:35.040 --> 00:58:37.480
 I know that there were some recent improvements

00:58:37.480 --> 00:58:38.440
 with TxDOT.

00:58:38.440 --> 00:58:41.520
 However, with that being said, there's

00:58:41.520 --> 00:58:44.600
 still room for improvement.

00:58:44.600 --> 00:58:46.320
 This is a very long corridor.

00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:49.080
 And as we were looking at this the other day,

00:58:49.080 --> 00:58:51.680
 it may be broken up into two sub-areas.

00:58:51.680 --> 00:58:55.200
 One probably south of the railroad, down this way.

00:58:55.200 --> 00:58:57.000
 And then maybe one north of that,

00:58:57.000 --> 00:59:01.280
 because they definitely are two different characteristics.

00:59:01.280 --> 00:59:02.840
 So this would be number six.

00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:09.240
 Number seven and eight are commercial nodes.

00:59:09.240 --> 00:59:12.920
 These are areas that we are also seeing

00:59:12.920 --> 00:59:14.600
 some development pressures.

00:59:14.600 --> 00:59:18.200
 But mainly, again, this is to really find out

00:59:18.200 --> 00:59:21.840
 what this area should be as far as what that vision should

00:59:21.840 --> 00:59:24.080
 be occurring in this area.

00:59:24.080 --> 00:59:27.560
 It's a gateway into the city from the east.

00:59:27.560 --> 00:59:30.840
 I'm sorry, 380, as you head west towards the city,

00:59:30.840 --> 00:59:33.360
 this is one of the first commercial areas that you see.

00:59:33.360 --> 00:59:37.440
 So how should this area be developed?

00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:40.040
 How should this area be designed?

00:59:40.040 --> 00:59:45.640
 How should this area look as you come into the city?

00:59:45.640 --> 00:59:47.520
 There are some areas that can certainly

00:59:47.520 --> 00:59:49.920
 serve as land preservation.

00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:52.400
 But again, our opportunity here is

00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:54.480
 to make sure that we have an area that's

00:59:54.480 --> 00:59:57.920
 developed with the vision that we would like for this area.

00:59:57.920 --> 01:00:01.400
 And the only way to do that more specifically and more refined

01:00:01.400 --> 01:00:04.080
 is through an area plan.

01:00:04.080 --> 01:00:08.880
 The same thing for this area, which is Loop 288, Mayhill,

01:00:08.880 --> 01:00:10.320
 and McKinney.

01:00:10.320 --> 01:00:12.200
 This area is a commercial area.

01:00:12.200 --> 01:00:18.560
 I know that the area north of McKinney has seen--

01:00:18.560 --> 01:00:21.880
 well, we haven't seen anything yet, but we will be.

01:00:21.880 --> 01:00:24.240
 And we want to make sure that whatever development goes

01:00:24.240 --> 01:00:27.960
 in there is representative of what we, the city,

01:00:27.960 --> 01:00:29.520
 would like this area to develop in.

01:00:29.520 --> 01:00:34.640
 Again, this is a commercial node between Loop 288, Mayhill,

01:00:34.640 --> 01:00:38.980
 and McKinney, which are major arterials.

01:00:38.980 --> 01:00:44.340
 The last two are, again, 9 and 10 further down our ranking.

01:00:44.340 --> 01:00:46.640
 But we wanted to include it to kind of give you

01:00:46.640 --> 01:00:49.200
 guys some ideas of other areas that potentially

01:00:49.200 --> 01:00:50.840
 could be area plans.

01:00:50.840 --> 01:00:52.960
 This is the Mayhill corridor.

01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:55.520
 Similarly, it has seen some improvements,

01:00:55.520 --> 01:00:57.360
 or you know it has improved.

01:00:57.360 --> 01:01:00.880
 It is currently a four lane divided with a potential

01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:02.520
 to go to six lane.

01:01:02.520 --> 01:01:06.240
 We see a lot of activities here, but we can certainly

01:01:06.240 --> 01:01:09.800
 see more guidance that we can provide

01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:11.600
 as development continues.

01:01:11.600 --> 01:01:15.120
 West of Mayhill can be more commercial.

01:01:15.120 --> 01:01:18.200
 East of Mayhill could see more residential

01:01:18.200 --> 01:01:21.360
 as it transitions further east to where there's

01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:24.360
 more residential development.

01:01:24.360 --> 01:01:26.960
 The last area plan that we have identified

01:01:26.960 --> 01:01:29.040
 is the Sherman Drive area.

01:01:29.040 --> 01:01:31.800
 And some of you may be looking at this and say, well,

01:01:31.800 --> 01:01:35.240
 why do we even want to do a corridor plan for this area?

01:01:35.240 --> 01:01:36.600
 It's primarily residential.

01:01:36.600 --> 01:01:40.480
 What I can tell you is Sherman Drive in this segment of town

01:01:40.480 --> 01:01:42.160
 is a wide street.

01:01:42.160 --> 01:01:47.040
 There's opportunities for some mobility additions.

01:01:47.040 --> 01:01:49.360
 And that could be a bike.

01:01:49.360 --> 01:01:51.560
 It could be side paths.

01:01:51.560 --> 01:01:55.440
 But really, just to bring this community a little bit more

01:01:55.440 --> 01:01:59.880
 in tune as to why, or as to some of the improvements related

01:01:59.880 --> 01:02:01.680
 to mobility.

01:02:01.680 --> 01:02:06.000
 We also know that there's some commercial nodes at both ends

01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:08.040
 of this corridor plan, and that's certainly

01:02:08.040 --> 01:02:10.960
 something that we can also focus on as we study this area.

01:02:10.960 --> 01:02:17.840
 And that's all of the top 10 ranking

01:02:17.840 --> 01:02:21.440
 that the city has, or the staff has identified.

01:02:21.440 --> 01:02:25.560
 What, again, we would like for you all is to give staff

01:02:25.560 --> 01:02:32.120
 direction, or give your ranking on which area plan should be

01:02:32.120 --> 01:02:35.320
 started first, second, third, and fourth.

01:02:35.320 --> 01:02:38.200
 I think that is what we need to do.

01:02:38.200 --> 01:02:42.280
 And I'll stand for any questions or listen to any comments.

01:02:42.280 --> 01:02:43.280
 Awesome, thank you, Ron.

01:02:43.280 --> 01:02:48.000
 It's exciting to see this in discussion.

01:02:48.000 --> 01:02:50.400
 So why don't we do this?

01:02:50.400 --> 01:02:53.960
 Why don't we ask questions first?

01:02:53.960 --> 01:02:57.760
 And then, why don't we then go one by one?

01:02:57.760 --> 01:03:01.400
 I'll call on everybody, and we can give maybe our top four,

01:03:01.400 --> 01:03:03.360
 and then kind of take discussion from there.

01:03:03.360 --> 01:03:04.960
 Does that make sense?

01:03:04.960 --> 01:03:06.840
 OK, Commissioner Smith, question?

01:03:06.840 --> 01:03:09.480
 Yeah, the only question then would be--

01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:12.480
 I think there's only one area that we didn't identify

01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:13.960
 that I think would be important.

01:03:13.960 --> 01:03:18.120
 And it would be the west section of 380 west of 35.

01:03:18.120 --> 01:03:20.120
 That being another major entryway into the city

01:03:20.120 --> 01:03:22.040
 coming from Decatur and from the west.

01:03:22.040 --> 01:03:24.280
 And so that wasn't an area that was on there.

01:03:24.280 --> 01:03:28.560
 I think certainly there are some big pieces of corridors

01:03:28.560 --> 01:03:30.520
 that weren't included, or that are included,

01:03:30.520 --> 01:03:31.960
 that certainly need to be looked at.

01:03:31.960 --> 01:03:34.160
 But that's probably the only blind spot

01:03:34.160 --> 01:03:36.200
 that I think that we have on that map right now,

01:03:36.200 --> 01:03:37.320
 is we don't have a--

01:03:37.320 --> 01:03:38.960
 we're not accessing that area.

01:03:38.960 --> 01:03:40.960
 So less of a question and more of a statement.

01:03:40.960 --> 01:03:41.680
 So I don't know if that was--

01:03:41.680 --> 01:03:43.200
 I don't think you guys considered that.

01:03:43.200 --> 01:03:44.320
 That's why I asked the question earlier.

01:03:44.320 --> 01:03:46.600
 I don't think you guys considered that area and said,

01:03:46.600 --> 01:03:49.840
 there's x, y, z reason why we shouldn't focus on that one.

01:03:49.840 --> 01:03:56.520
 No, again, we had our top area plans area selected.

01:03:56.520 --> 01:03:58.560
 I can tell you that this list is, again,

01:03:58.560 --> 01:04:00.160
 staff's recommendation.

01:04:00.160 --> 01:04:02.040
 We can certainly add to that if we need to.

01:04:02.040 --> 01:04:03.880
 And then ultimately, again, city council

01:04:03.880 --> 01:04:04.840
 will be presented that.

01:04:04.840 --> 01:04:05.520
 Yeah.

01:04:05.520 --> 01:04:08.840
 And I think just for a lot of the discussion and the ranking,

01:04:08.840 --> 01:04:10.120
 I think that we--

01:04:10.120 --> 01:04:12.480
 personally, I think that we should be focusing on areas

01:04:12.480 --> 01:04:15.160
 that have a lot of room for growth and development,

01:04:15.160 --> 01:04:17.160
 that we're facing a lot of development pressures.

01:04:17.160 --> 01:04:20.720
 It's not saying that the Sudna area or the downtown area

01:04:20.720 --> 01:04:23.080
 doesn't need to have a review.

01:04:23.080 --> 01:04:25.480
 But we don't see developers trying to buy up land

01:04:25.480 --> 01:04:29.640
 and get rezoning in the middle of southeast end right now.

01:04:29.640 --> 01:04:32.320
 We see some small spots zoning, but versus what

01:04:32.320 --> 01:04:35.320
 we're seeing northwest, what we're seeing up to 288

01:04:35.320 --> 01:04:37.560
 and Sherman, those areas are getting a lot of pressure.

01:04:37.560 --> 01:04:40.840
 And I think that should really be driving our prioritization

01:04:40.840 --> 01:04:42.800
 list of what we should be approaching first.

01:04:42.800 --> 01:04:43.320
 OK.

01:04:43.320 --> 01:04:44.320
 Wasn't so much a question.

01:04:44.320 --> 01:04:45.160
 Sorry, Margie.

01:04:45.160 --> 01:04:47.120
 That's OK.

01:04:47.120 --> 01:04:49.240
 Any questions?

01:04:49.240 --> 01:04:51.160
 Commissioner Pruitt?

01:04:51.160 --> 01:04:53.160
 Thank you, Chair.

01:04:53.160 --> 01:04:55.320
 And I promise I'll make them quick.

01:04:55.320 --> 01:04:57.680
 As far as prioritization and scheduling

01:04:57.680 --> 01:05:02.600
 with other activities going on, for instance, number 5, 7,

01:05:02.600 --> 01:05:05.240
 and 10, those corridors, specifically

01:05:05.240 --> 01:05:08.760
 their textile corridors that are potentially

01:05:08.760 --> 01:05:13.360
 on the turn back program and that sort of thing,

01:05:13.360 --> 01:05:17.120
 did staff consider the timing of those processes

01:05:17.120 --> 01:05:23.800
 to make sure that we are aligned and don't end up

01:05:23.800 --> 01:05:26.480
 doing something twice, if that makes sense?

01:05:26.480 --> 01:05:28.560
 And a similar question would be, I

01:05:28.560 --> 01:05:31.440
 think it would be most legitimate to the downtown area.

01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:37.600
 I know there's a master drainage study going on.

01:05:37.600 --> 01:05:40.800
 Basically, have we made sure that the schedules

01:05:40.800 --> 01:05:43.600
 of those activities align with when

01:05:43.600 --> 01:05:47.920
 we think the proposed priorities would line up with that?

01:05:47.920 --> 01:05:50.440
 So yeah, really briefly, we understand

01:05:50.440 --> 01:05:51.840
 that there are other plans.

01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:54.120
 There are other projects happening.

01:05:54.120 --> 01:05:57.760
 But we have to act now in some instances.

01:05:57.760 --> 01:06:00.640
 So to answer your first question,

01:06:00.640 --> 01:06:02.760
 yes, we did consider timing.

01:06:02.760 --> 01:06:07.360
 However, does it factor higher than other reasons?

01:06:07.360 --> 01:06:11.400
 Not as high as other factors.

01:06:11.400 --> 01:06:13.880
 I can tell you that one of the reasons

01:06:13.880 --> 01:06:15.960
 why you do these area plans is what you identify.

01:06:15.960 --> 01:06:19.400
 And maybe their schedule can be shifted earlier.

01:06:19.400 --> 01:06:21.720
 It could be later based on some of those discussions

01:06:21.720 --> 01:06:23.360
 that we have with the area planning.

01:06:23.360 --> 01:06:24.920
 Yeah, and if I could just interject,

01:06:24.920 --> 01:06:26.840
 I would think a lot of this kind of discussion

01:06:26.840 --> 01:06:29.640
 would happen when we were actually

01:06:29.640 --> 01:06:34.320
 in discussion to draw boundaries and whatnot if a small area

01:06:34.320 --> 01:06:35.680
 plan was going forward.

01:06:35.680 --> 01:06:38.720
 Obviously, those future plans with TxDOT and what have you

01:06:38.720 --> 01:06:43.440
 would certainly be obviously under discussion then

01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:46.080
 versus at this exact moment.

01:06:46.080 --> 01:06:46.680
 Thank you.

01:06:46.680 --> 01:06:48.640
 And then-- sorry.

01:06:48.640 --> 01:06:51.680
 I don't know what's in my throat here.

01:06:51.680 --> 01:06:53.840
 Allergies.

01:06:53.840 --> 01:06:56.880
 I don't know that it's been flagged out in the past.

01:06:56.880 --> 01:07:01.720
 But one area that could have a lot of development

01:07:01.720 --> 01:07:04.380
 in the future-- I think there have been previous applications--

01:07:04.380 --> 01:07:08.360
 is that Pecan Creek area kind of north of Shady Oaks

01:07:08.360 --> 01:07:12.120
 between Woodrow and loop 288.

01:07:12.120 --> 01:07:17.120
 And I recall Tina Fergan saying, if we don't plan our city,

01:07:17.120 --> 01:07:18.920
 the developers will plan it for us.

01:07:18.920 --> 01:07:23.080
 So have we thought about what makes sense for that area

01:07:23.080 --> 01:07:29.320
 and if that needs to be melded with this process?

01:07:29.320 --> 01:07:30.000
 Yes.

01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:31.920
 We've had any number of conversations.

01:07:31.920 --> 01:07:34.080
 And I'm just going to say a couple of pieces

01:07:34.080 --> 01:07:36.040
 and let Ron continue.

01:07:36.040 --> 01:07:38.240
 I'm concerned with the time.

01:07:38.240 --> 01:07:41.400
 So we're at 6, 24, 5.

01:07:41.400 --> 01:07:43.480
 I don't know if this clock is jive.

01:07:43.480 --> 01:07:45.040
 So there's five minutes.

01:07:45.040 --> 01:07:46.880
 We can ultimately--

01:07:46.880 --> 01:07:47.440
 We have 10.

01:07:47.440 --> 01:07:48.600
 It's 6, 20.

01:07:48.600 --> 01:07:49.200
 OK, good.

01:07:49.200 --> 01:07:50.640
 Then that clock's wrong.

01:07:50.640 --> 01:07:53.680
 I'm sitting here watching this, getting very nervous.

01:07:53.680 --> 01:07:57.320
 We can reconvene this after the meeting

01:07:57.320 --> 01:07:58.560
 if we wanted to do that.

01:07:58.560 --> 01:07:59.920
 And I don't know that everybody has

01:07:59.920 --> 01:08:02.520
 a level of comfort of being able to tally up their sheets

01:08:02.520 --> 01:08:05.400
 rather than going person by person.

01:08:05.400 --> 01:08:08.840
 We could take those sheets and then we could report back

01:08:08.840 --> 01:08:10.480
 if you wanted to do that.

01:08:10.480 --> 01:08:12.400
 I don't know how many more questions there

01:08:12.400 --> 01:08:14.440
 may be on this very topic.

01:08:14.440 --> 01:08:16.200
 Well, let's find out.

01:08:16.200 --> 01:08:19.680
 I want to echo just a couple more pieces of this.

01:08:19.680 --> 01:08:21.760
 Based on the feedback that we've received

01:08:21.760 --> 01:08:24.920
 between this commission and city council

01:08:24.920 --> 01:08:27.520
 is how we arrived at this list.

01:08:27.520 --> 01:08:31.840
 There are probably another 25 area plans

01:08:31.840 --> 01:08:36.240
 that we could do for varying reasons.

01:08:36.240 --> 01:08:42.760
 So from a big picture, these area plans are huge.

01:08:42.760 --> 01:08:45.200
 And there's a financial implication

01:08:45.200 --> 01:08:47.040
 to all of these plans.

01:08:47.040 --> 01:08:49.280
 And I will tell you that not one of these plans

01:08:49.280 --> 01:08:53.120
 will be produced for less than $100,000.

01:08:53.120 --> 01:08:56.600
 And it will take a considerable amount of time.

01:08:56.600 --> 01:09:01.680
 So I don't want to mislead that we have 10 items here.

01:09:01.680 --> 01:09:03.600
 And that this is going to be achieved

01:09:03.600 --> 01:09:04.960
 in a short period of time.

01:09:04.960 --> 01:09:06.680
 So we've got to get the funding.

01:09:06.680 --> 01:09:09.000
 We've got to go to council.

01:09:09.000 --> 01:09:13.400
 What our goal is is to try to expedite and truly get

01:09:13.400 --> 01:09:18.080
 one or two plans that we can get in front of council and say,

01:09:18.080 --> 01:09:19.840
 we're going to need a quarter of a million.

01:09:19.840 --> 01:09:23.760
 We're going to need $300,000 to initiate these two

01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:26.080
 and to begin the work.

01:09:26.080 --> 01:09:30.000
 We will not stop evaluating or discussing.

01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:33.000
 And we can continue and we can bring specific work sessions

01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:37.440
 to talk about specific areas and delve into this further.

01:09:37.440 --> 01:09:39.600
 But what we really need to achieve out of this

01:09:39.600 --> 01:09:42.600
 is what is the priority that we can take to council

01:09:42.600 --> 01:09:45.320
 and start getting to crunching the numbers to say,

01:09:45.320 --> 01:09:47.880
 we need some money, we need some resources,

01:09:47.880 --> 01:09:50.360
 and we need to be able to start working.

01:09:50.360 --> 01:09:56.160
 So the goal is, as great as I agree with the West Gateway,

01:09:56.160 --> 01:09:58.520
 I agree with the Shady Shores area,

01:09:58.520 --> 01:10:02.080
 I would add a couple of more in here personally.

01:10:02.080 --> 01:10:06.200
 If we can just try to narrow down some of these areas, what

01:10:06.200 --> 01:10:10.920
 we think are the top several, Ron mentioned the top five.

01:10:10.920 --> 01:10:13.320
 We won't touch the top five in the first year.

01:10:13.320 --> 01:10:14.680
 It's not possible.

01:10:14.680 --> 01:10:17.400
 We don't have the resources nor the money.

01:10:17.400 --> 01:10:21.000
 So if we can get to these top three, it would be ideal.

01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:25.400
 Ranking the top 10 is perfect so council has it.

01:10:25.400 --> 01:10:28.800
 If you need to tally these and then we can compile them later,

01:10:28.800 --> 01:10:30.360
 we're happy to do that.

01:10:30.360 --> 01:10:32.400
 Reconvene this meeting, whatever it might take.

01:10:32.400 --> 01:10:35.160
 And Madam Chair, however you want to do this.

01:10:35.160 --> 01:10:37.340
 I just wanted to kind of throw those pieces in there

01:10:37.340 --> 01:10:40.000
 so it was clear and concise.

01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:41.200
 Thank you.

01:10:41.200 --> 01:10:43.000
 Thanks, Scott.

01:10:43.000 --> 01:10:49.960
 OK, any specific questions with regard to what we're needing?

01:10:49.960 --> 01:10:53.280
 Do you feel comfortable giving your top?

01:10:53.280 --> 01:10:55.800
 I mean, honestly, I don't really think you need much more

01:10:55.800 --> 01:10:58.400
 than a top three at this point.

01:10:58.400 --> 01:11:02.560
 So you can go forward, staff can, with recommendation

01:11:02.560 --> 01:11:06.280
 to city council so we can garner some support.

01:11:06.280 --> 01:11:07.800
 Are you comfortable doing that now

01:11:07.800 --> 01:11:09.920
 or do we need to come back after the public meeting?

01:11:09.920 --> 01:11:15.440
 Yes, I mean--

01:11:15.440 --> 01:11:19.640
 Yeah, yeah, so I mean--

01:11:19.640 --> 01:11:21.600
 And ideally, I'd like the top 10.

01:11:21.600 --> 01:11:24.880
 So if you can rank them, rank them and we'll compile.

01:11:24.880 --> 01:11:25.680
 I'll do this.

01:11:25.680 --> 01:11:28.640
 I'll just start and then I'll call on you all, OK?

01:11:28.640 --> 01:11:32.720
 So I think the list is fantastic.

01:11:32.720 --> 01:11:34.840
 I even think the rank is great.

01:11:34.840 --> 01:11:38.000
 I would personally flip three and four.

01:11:38.000 --> 01:11:39.640
 We've had a lot of development pressure

01:11:39.640 --> 01:11:44.560
 up in that part of 35 and 77.

01:11:44.560 --> 01:11:49.200
 We had a development project that was denied and moved

01:11:49.200 --> 01:11:51.720
 to the other side of the freeway, as it should have.

01:11:51.720 --> 01:11:56.680
 But that area, I think, more than doing an update

01:11:56.680 --> 01:12:00.600
 to downtown, which is important, but downtown is kind of always

01:12:00.600 --> 01:12:02.040
 going to happen and kind of be.

01:12:02.040 --> 01:12:05.760
 And to me, that doesn't need to be number three for me.

01:12:05.760 --> 01:12:09.200
 Obviously, Northeast, number one,

01:12:09.200 --> 01:12:12.280
 it's been a need for years.

01:12:12.280 --> 01:12:13.960
 I love that as number one.

01:12:13.960 --> 01:12:16.800
 Southeast Denton deserves to have some kind of plan

01:12:16.800 --> 01:12:18.160
 and preservation plan.

01:12:18.160 --> 01:12:22.040
 They've been begging for it, absolutely.

01:12:22.040 --> 01:12:24.760
 Let's keep that a top priority, in my opinion.

01:12:24.760 --> 01:12:26.920
 I would flip three and four, and I'm probably

01:12:26.920 --> 01:12:28.680
 good with the rest of it.

01:12:28.680 --> 01:12:31.400
 Ranked, so there's my two cents.

01:12:31.400 --> 01:12:34.360
 Commissioner Prudit.

01:12:34.360 --> 01:12:41.600
 1, 2, 3, 5, 4, 7, 6, 8, 9, 10.

01:12:41.600 --> 01:12:42.640
 Say that one more time.

01:12:42.640 --> 01:12:45.920
 Do that again, just so that they can tally for you.

01:12:45.920 --> 01:12:50.640
 1, 2, 3, 5, 4, 7, 6, 8, 9, 10.

01:12:50.640 --> 01:13:01.800
 Commissioner Smith.

01:13:01.800 --> 01:13:04.520
 1-- I'm going to do it in the form of the Prudit format,

01:13:04.520 --> 01:13:06.680
 is what I'm going to call it.

01:13:06.680 --> 01:13:14.760
 1, 4, 2, 3, and then 5 through 10, stay in order.

01:13:14.760 --> 01:13:18.760
 And for me, yes, said none needs to be addressed.

01:13:18.760 --> 01:13:21.520
 We have, yes, Luke 288 Sherman has been the biggest--

01:13:21.520 --> 01:13:23.240
 has been the first place we had discussion

01:13:23.240 --> 01:13:24.920
 about small area plans.

01:13:24.920 --> 01:13:29.560
 The next one was whenever we saw the developments on '77

01:13:29.560 --> 01:13:31.080
 and saying we need a small area plan.

01:13:31.080 --> 01:13:33.600
 So it kind of seems a little bit apropos

01:13:33.600 --> 01:13:35.480
 for us to talk about small area plans,

01:13:35.480 --> 01:13:38.000
 then the two we've had the biggest discussions about

01:13:38.000 --> 01:13:39.040
 not be addressed.

01:13:39.040 --> 01:13:41.920
 So we need to have that.

01:13:41.920 --> 01:13:43.560
 Commissioner McDade.

01:13:43.560 --> 01:13:47.280
 OK, I have no problem with 1 through 4,

01:13:47.280 --> 01:13:51.520
 but I would like to see number 8 moved up to number 5,

01:13:51.520 --> 01:13:54.880
 because that intersection, both of those intersections,

01:13:54.880 --> 01:13:57.840
 are very dangerous.

01:13:57.840 --> 01:14:04.440
 And I'm kind of amiss that I still

01:14:04.440 --> 01:14:06.320
 see people trying to cross over.

01:14:06.320 --> 01:14:09.840
 You have all those apartments, that's a lot of pedestrians,

01:14:09.840 --> 01:14:12.680
 and I still see people trying to cross over.

01:14:12.680 --> 01:14:15.520
 And it's like this has been going on for years,

01:14:15.520 --> 01:14:18.120
 and I don't know why the city has done nothing about it.

01:14:18.120 --> 01:14:20.920
 I mean, Ryan High School has been there since '92,

01:14:20.920 --> 01:14:23.360
 and it took them 30 years to get a sidewalk.

01:14:23.360 --> 01:14:25.880
 [INAUDIBLE]

01:14:25.880 --> 01:14:28.080
 No, no, I mean, I can leave it as it is.

01:14:28.080 --> 01:14:29.560
 I will swap 5 and 8.

01:14:29.560 --> 01:14:30.080
 OK.

01:14:30.080 --> 01:14:31.160
 OK, 5 and 8.

01:14:31.160 --> 01:14:32.960
 Thank you.

01:14:32.960 --> 01:14:35.560
 Commissioner Cole.

01:14:35.560 --> 01:14:36.240
 Thank you, Chair.

01:14:36.240 --> 01:14:43.440
 I would flip 3 and 4 and keep the rest aside.

01:14:43.440 --> 01:14:45.800
 Flip 3 and 4.

01:14:45.800 --> 01:14:49.000
 Commissioner Villarreal.

01:14:49.000 --> 01:14:55.360
 Yeah, 2, 1, 3, 4, 8, 9, 5, 6, 7, 10.

01:14:55.360 --> 01:15:01.000
 Commissioner Anderson.

01:15:01.000 --> 01:15:04.880
 1, 7, 4, 2, 5, 8, 6, 3, 9, 10.

01:15:06.240 --> 01:15:11.240
 OK.

01:15:11.240 --> 01:15:12.600
 Do I need to repeat?

01:15:12.600 --> 01:15:14.280
 I think you got that.

01:15:14.280 --> 01:15:16.680
 OK.

01:15:16.680 --> 01:15:22.200
 OK, so I don't know where that is for consensus,

01:15:22.200 --> 01:15:26.000
 but you're going to tally that up and let us know.

01:15:26.000 --> 01:15:27.800
 Yeah, real quickly, from my results,

01:15:27.800 --> 01:15:32.320
 it's 1 and 2, basically, that rise to the top.

01:15:32.320 --> 01:15:33.560
 The way that staff has it.

01:15:33.560 --> 01:15:35.440
 Right, and then 4 and 3.

01:15:35.440 --> 01:15:39.560
 Again, very close, but I think 4 and 3.

01:15:39.560 --> 01:15:40.560
 Do you have--

01:15:40.560 --> 01:15:44.960
 [INAUDIBLE]

01:15:44.960 --> 01:15:49.440
 So again, 1 and 2, and then there's

01:15:49.440 --> 01:15:53.480
 a little bit of difference in 3 and 4, but--

01:15:53.480 --> 01:15:54.880
 OK.

01:15:54.880 --> 01:15:58.640
 We can certainly see 4 being third.

01:15:58.640 --> 01:16:02.240
 And that gives you something to go forward with, counsel?

01:16:02.240 --> 01:16:02.800
 Yes, ma'am.

01:16:02.800 --> 01:16:03.680
 Right?

01:16:03.680 --> 01:16:05.160
 Yes, ma'am.

01:16:05.160 --> 01:16:05.800
 Awesome.

01:16:05.800 --> 01:16:07.160
 I appreciate it.

01:16:07.160 --> 01:16:09.480
 OK, thank you, everyone.

01:16:09.480 --> 01:16:10.840
 Good job.

01:16:10.840 --> 01:16:14.280
 I'm going to adjourn us at 6.28 PM,

01:16:14.280 --> 01:16:17.240
 and we will convene very shortly in council chambers.

01:16:17.240 --> 01:16:17.740
 OK.

01:16:17.740 --> 01:16:25.520
 Welcome to the City of Denton's Planning and Zoning Commission

01:16:25.520 --> 01:16:29.920
 meeting for Wednesday, March 23, 2022.

01:16:29.920 --> 01:16:34.280
 With the quorum present, I will call us to order at 6.35 PM.

01:16:34.280 --> 01:16:36.840
 Our first item on the agenda is the Pledge of Allegiance

01:16:36.840 --> 01:16:38.440
 to the US and Texas Flags.

01:16:38.440 --> 01:16:46.360
 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America

01:16:46.360 --> 01:16:50.040
 and to the republic for which it stands, one nation,

01:16:50.040 --> 01:16:56.120
 under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

01:16:56.120 --> 01:16:59.080
 On the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance

01:16:59.080 --> 01:17:04.560
 to the Texas, one state, under God, one nation, indivisible.

01:17:04.560 --> 01:17:08.560
 Thank you.

01:17:08.560 --> 01:17:11.800
 Our second item on the agenda is our Consent Agenda.

01:17:11.800 --> 01:17:15.760
 Commissioner Smith?

01:17:15.760 --> 01:17:17.280
 Make a motion to approve.

01:17:17.280 --> 01:17:19.320
 We have a motion to approve the Consent Agenda.

01:17:19.320 --> 01:17:20.480
 Commissioner Villarreal?

01:17:20.480 --> 01:17:21.360
 Second.

01:17:21.360 --> 01:17:24.160
 First and a second for approval of the Consent Agenda.

01:17:24.160 --> 01:17:26.840
 Any discussion?

01:17:26.840 --> 01:17:28.920
 Seeing none, we can vote on the board, please.

01:17:29.080 --> 01:17:37.640
 That motion carries 7-0.

01:17:37.640 --> 01:17:40.800
 That leads us to our items for individual consideration.

01:17:40.800 --> 01:17:44.720
 3A is FP21-0037.

01:17:44.720 --> 01:17:48.320
 I will call up Sean Jacobson for a presentation on this item.

01:17:48.320 --> 01:17:51.600
 Thank you.

01:17:51.600 --> 01:17:53.760
 Good evening, Madam Chair and members of the commission.

01:17:53.760 --> 01:17:58.000
 I'm going to go ahead and pull up our presentation here.

01:18:00.080 --> 01:18:02.160
 All right.

01:18:02.160 --> 01:18:06.960
 So tonight, I am presenting FP21-37A.

01:18:06.960 --> 01:18:13.120
 This is the Platt of Phase 1A of the Vintage Village Edition.

01:18:13.120 --> 01:18:16.600
 And staff is recommending approval with conditions,

01:18:16.600 --> 01:18:19.120
 with the following condition, which

01:18:19.120 --> 01:18:21.040
 is that all lots in Phase 1A must

01:18:21.040 --> 01:18:23.840
 be removed from the FEMA Zone AE floodplain

01:18:23.840 --> 01:18:26.280
 by a letter of map revision approved by FEMA

01:18:26.280 --> 01:18:27.760
 and provided to the city of Denton,

01:18:27.760 --> 01:18:30.280
 including confirmation that no valid objections to the LOMA

01:18:30.280 --> 01:18:33.440
 were received during the 90-day appeal period.

01:18:33.440 --> 01:18:36.040
 And when that condition is met, if you

01:18:36.040 --> 01:18:37.640
 choose to approve with that condition,

01:18:37.640 --> 01:18:40.480
 this Platt will have to return to this body for approval

01:18:40.480 --> 01:18:41.680
 fully without conditions.

01:18:41.680 --> 01:18:43.680
 So with that, I'm happy to answer any questions.

01:18:43.680 --> 01:18:44.800
 All right, thank you, Sean.

01:18:44.800 --> 01:18:46.120
 Any questions for Sean on this?

01:18:46.120 --> 01:18:50.680
 Commissioner Pruitt.

01:18:50.680 --> 01:18:57.240
 Move approval with the staff recommended

01:18:57.240 --> 01:18:58.480
 conditions.

01:18:58.480 --> 01:18:59.520
 Thank you, Commissioner Pruitt.

01:18:59.520 --> 01:19:00.240
 Commissioner Smith.

01:19:00.240 --> 01:19:01.000
 Second.

01:19:01.000 --> 01:19:05.000
 We've got a first and a second with staff conditions.

01:19:05.000 --> 01:19:08.280
 Any discussion?

01:19:08.280 --> 01:19:10.360
 OK, seeing none, let's vote on the board, please.

01:19:10.360 --> 01:19:20.200
 That motion carries 7-0.

01:19:20.200 --> 01:19:26.760
 That will take us to 3B, FP22-0006.

01:19:26.760 --> 01:19:28.400
 And that is Karina's item.

01:19:28.400 --> 01:19:35.280
 Hi, Karina.

01:19:35.280 --> 01:19:36.840
 Good evening.

01:19:36.840 --> 01:19:41.160
 The Platt before you is FP22-0006.

01:19:41.160 --> 01:19:44.200
 This is a final Platt for a single lot

01:19:44.200 --> 01:19:47.240
 for multifamily development on the east side of Loop 288,

01:19:47.240 --> 01:19:50.080
 just south of East McKinney Street.

01:19:50.080 --> 01:19:52.200
 Staff is recommending denial of this request,

01:19:52.200 --> 01:19:53.880
 as there are still a few items that they

01:19:53.880 --> 01:19:57.560
 need to address that do not meet our criteria.

01:19:57.560 --> 01:19:59.840
 The applicant has already requested their 30-day

01:19:59.840 --> 01:20:02.680
 extension, so that is no longer available.

01:20:02.680 --> 01:20:05.120
 And with that, I can take any questions.

01:20:05.120 --> 01:20:06.440
 Thanks, Karina.

01:20:06.440 --> 01:20:06.960
 Any questions?

01:20:06.960 --> 01:20:12.520
 Commissioner Villareal.

01:20:12.520 --> 01:20:15.520
 I move denial of the request.

01:20:15.520 --> 01:20:16.320
 Commissioner Cole.

01:20:16.320 --> 01:20:17.280
 Second.

01:20:17.280 --> 01:20:20.960
 We've got a first and a second for denial of this item.

01:20:20.960 --> 01:20:24.120
 Any discussion?

01:20:24.120 --> 01:20:26.120
 Seeing none, let's vote on the board, please.

01:20:26.120 --> 01:20:40.480
 That motion carries 7-0, leaving us to 3C, PP22-0004.

01:20:40.480 --> 01:20:42.400
 And Julie's not here, but Sean is.

01:20:42.400 --> 01:20:48.840
 All right.

01:20:48.840 --> 01:20:52.920
 So on behalf of Julie, staff is recommending denial

01:20:52.920 --> 01:20:54.280
 of this Platt, as it does not meet

01:20:54.280 --> 01:20:57.320
 the criteria for approval.

01:20:57.320 --> 01:20:59.800
 I think we had a change in that, did we not?

01:20:59.800 --> 01:21:00.480
 Oh, I'm sorry.

01:21:00.480 --> 01:21:02.200
 There was a last minute change to this Platt.

01:21:02.200 --> 01:21:03.120
 There was very late today.

01:21:03.120 --> 01:21:03.880
 My apologies.

01:21:03.880 --> 01:21:05.560
 Incorrect.

01:21:05.560 --> 01:21:08.160
 Yes, this Platt is now recommended for approval.

01:21:08.160 --> 01:21:10.000
 Yeah, this was the original in our backup,

01:21:10.000 --> 01:21:12.040
 but it was emailed the updated--

01:21:12.040 --> 01:21:15.040
 Correct, yes, just before the work session started.

01:21:15.040 --> 01:21:16.520
 Thanks, Sean.

01:21:16.520 --> 01:21:19.960
 Any questions on that?

01:21:19.960 --> 01:21:23.720
 OK, so staff's recommendation for this Platt is approval.

01:21:23.720 --> 01:21:24.400
 Correct.

01:21:24.400 --> 01:21:25.280
 OK.

01:21:25.280 --> 01:21:26.880
 Commissioner Villarreal?

01:21:26.880 --> 01:21:28.400
 I move approval of the request.

01:21:28.400 --> 01:21:29.400
 OK, Commissioner Cole?

01:21:29.400 --> 01:21:30.080
 Second.

01:21:30.080 --> 01:21:31.880
 All right, we've got a first and a second

01:21:31.880 --> 01:21:34.240
 for approval of this preliminary Platt.

01:21:34.240 --> 01:21:36.320
 Any questions?

01:21:36.320 --> 01:21:37.960
 OK, let's vote on the board, please.

01:21:37.960 --> 01:21:45.200
 Motion carries 7-0.

01:21:45.200 --> 01:21:50.320
 3D is next, FP21-0030.

01:21:50.320 --> 01:21:51.960
 Hello again, Sean.

01:21:51.960 --> 01:21:52.600
 Good to be back.

01:21:52.600 --> 01:21:58.960
 All right, so we'll just go to--

01:21:58.960 --> 01:22:03.040
 this is-- get to the right one here--

01:22:03.040 --> 01:22:08.680
 FP21-30, which is the Platt of Phase 1 of the Vintage Village

01:22:08.680 --> 01:22:11.960
 Edition, which is the larger portion of what we approved

01:22:11.960 --> 01:22:13.480
 with conditions earlier.

01:22:13.480 --> 01:22:15.680
 Staff is recommending full approval of this Platt

01:22:15.680 --> 01:22:17.720
 as it does meet all criteria for approval.

01:22:17.720 --> 01:22:19.080
 Happy to answer any questions.

01:22:19.080 --> 01:22:20.480
 Thank you.

01:22:20.480 --> 01:22:21.640
 Any questions for Sean?

01:22:21.640 --> 01:22:24.920
 OK, I don't see any.

01:22:24.920 --> 01:22:25.440
 Thank you.

01:22:25.440 --> 01:22:26.880
 Commissioner Smith?

01:22:26.880 --> 01:22:27.960
 Make a motion to approve.

01:22:27.960 --> 01:22:29.160
 Commissioner Anderson?

01:22:29.160 --> 01:22:30.440
 Second.

01:22:30.440 --> 01:22:33.200
 OK, we've got a first and a second for approval.

01:22:33.200 --> 01:22:35.320
 Any discussion?

01:22:35.320 --> 01:22:37.080
 Seeing no, let's vote on the board, please.

01:22:43.520 --> 01:22:46.040
 Motion carries 7-0.

01:22:46.040 --> 01:22:52.400
 We'll bring us to 3E, PP22-0002.

01:22:52.400 --> 01:22:55.120
 And I will invite Lisa up for this item.

01:22:55.120 --> 01:22:59.360
 Hi, Lisa.

01:22:59.360 --> 01:23:00.720
 Good evening, commissioners.

01:23:00.720 --> 01:23:13.360
 Lisa Peng, principal planner for the city of Denton.

01:23:13.360 --> 01:23:15.120
 The item before you is a preliminary Platt

01:23:15.120 --> 01:23:19.320
 for a multifamily development on Mayhill Road

01:23:19.320 --> 01:23:21.760
 and the future Rory Road.

01:23:21.760 --> 01:23:24.640
 Staff is recommending denial as it does not

01:23:24.640 --> 01:23:26.800
 meet the established criteria for approval,

01:23:26.800 --> 01:23:30.640
 but the applicant has requested a 30-day extension, which

01:23:30.640 --> 01:23:36.440
 staff has no problem with coming back on April 13 to P&Z.

01:23:36.440 --> 01:23:37.560
 Thank you.

01:23:37.560 --> 01:23:40.960
 Any questions for Lisa on this?

01:23:40.960 --> 01:23:41.680
 I don't see any.

01:23:41.680 --> 01:23:44.080
 Thank you, Commissioner Villarreal?

01:23:44.080 --> 01:23:47.560
 I move approval of the extension to the date certain of April

01:23:47.560 --> 01:23:48.720
 13, was it?

01:23:48.720 --> 01:23:50.360
 Correct.

01:23:50.360 --> 01:23:51.000
 Commissioner Cole?

01:23:51.000 --> 01:23:51.880
 Second.

01:23:51.880 --> 01:23:53.560
 All right, we've got a first and a second

01:23:53.560 --> 01:23:57.360
 to approve the extension request to a date certain of April 13.

01:23:57.360 --> 01:24:00.320
 Any discussion?

01:24:00.320 --> 01:24:01.960
 Seeing none, let's vote, please.

01:24:01.960 --> 01:24:10.160
 Motion carries 7-0.

01:24:10.160 --> 01:24:11.600
 That takes us to 3F.

01:24:11.600 --> 01:24:15.480
 PP 22-0006.

01:24:15.480 --> 01:24:17.920
 Lisa, you're back.

01:24:17.920 --> 01:24:20.400
 I'm back.

01:24:20.400 --> 01:24:22.520
 All right.

01:24:22.520 --> 01:24:29.520
 So for this one, this is an item for a preliminary Platt

01:24:29.520 --> 01:24:33.080
 for self-storage development at Hickory Creek Road

01:24:33.080 --> 01:24:35.160
 and Teasley Lane.

01:24:35.160 --> 01:24:37.480
 Staff is recommending denial as it does not

01:24:37.480 --> 01:24:39.600
 meet all the criteria yet, but they

01:24:39.600 --> 01:24:45.560
 have-- words.

01:24:45.560 --> 01:24:49.640
 They have requested an extension so that they can have time

01:24:49.640 --> 01:24:52.560
 to take care of all the comments.

01:24:52.560 --> 01:24:56.200
 So I know we have no objection to the April 13 meeting.

01:24:56.200 --> 01:24:57.560
 Thank you.

01:24:57.560 --> 01:24:58.480
 Questions for Lisa?

01:24:58.480 --> 01:25:02.280
 Thanks, Lisa.

01:25:02.280 --> 01:25:03.560
 Commissioner Smith?

01:25:03.560 --> 01:25:05.800
 Make a motion to approve the extension of date certain

01:25:05.800 --> 01:25:07.040
 of April 13, 2022.

01:25:07.040 --> 01:25:07.880
 Commissioner Cole?

01:25:07.880 --> 01:25:08.720
 Second.

01:25:08.720 --> 01:25:11.040
 OK, we've got a first and a second

01:25:11.040 --> 01:25:14.400
 to grant the extension request to a date

01:25:14.400 --> 01:25:18.200
 certain of April 13 discussion.

01:25:18.200 --> 01:25:19.880
 OK, let's vote on the board, please.

01:25:19.880 --> 01:25:28.240
 The motion carries 7-0.

01:25:28.240 --> 01:25:31.560
 That will take us to our public hearings portion

01:25:31.560 --> 01:25:33.480
 of the meeting for tonight.

01:25:33.480 --> 01:25:38.960
 First one is 4A, S20-0009.

01:25:38.960 --> 01:25:41.160
 I will invite Ron up for presentation

01:25:41.160 --> 01:25:42.600
 and open the public hearing.

01:25:42.600 --> 01:25:46.920
 Hi, Ron.

01:25:46.920 --> 01:25:47.720
 Good evening.

01:25:47.720 --> 01:25:49.880
 I'm Madam Chair, members of the commission, Ron Nogito,

01:25:49.880 --> 01:25:52.920
 principal planner with Development Services,

01:25:52.920 --> 01:25:58.760
 presenting to you today a specific use permit request.

01:25:58.760 --> 01:26:03.000
 The request for you all today is a specific use

01:26:03.000 --> 01:26:06.040
 permit to allow a townhome use.

01:26:06.040 --> 01:26:10.040
 The area that is being proposed is shown here

01:26:10.040 --> 01:26:12.720
 on this slide in yellow.

01:26:12.720 --> 01:26:16.200
 It is generally located just west of Mayhill Road,

01:26:16.200 --> 01:26:21.600
 approximately 825 feet south of Providence Parkway.

01:26:21.600 --> 01:26:25.680
 The proposal is for 41 townhome lots

01:26:25.680 --> 01:26:28.600
 and one large open space lot.

01:26:28.600 --> 01:26:34.960
 The approximate acreage is approximately 8.382 acres.

01:26:34.960 --> 01:26:37.200
 Looking at the comprehensive plan

01:26:37.200 --> 01:26:43.480
 and the future land use map that is,

01:26:43.480 --> 01:26:47.040
 the area is shown both in moderate residential

01:26:47.040 --> 01:26:49.160
 as well as business innovation.

01:26:49.160 --> 01:26:51.040
 But I can tell you that the majority of it

01:26:51.040 --> 01:26:52.920
 is in moderate residential.

01:26:52.920 --> 01:27:00.240
 The map has a little flare with it regarding the buffering,

01:27:00.240 --> 01:27:02.680
 so it is more of a moderate residential.

01:27:02.680 --> 01:27:08.160
 What does allow for townhome lots, the density

01:27:08.160 --> 01:27:12.480
 that's prescribed for this area is 4 to 12 dwelling

01:27:12.480 --> 01:27:13.760
 units per acre.

01:27:13.760 --> 01:27:18.560
 And again, it does allow for low-rise multifamily dwellings

01:27:18.560 --> 01:27:21.600
 and townhomes.

01:27:21.600 --> 01:27:24.600
 The zoning of the property is zone R4,

01:27:24.600 --> 01:27:26.720
 which is residential 4.

01:27:26.720 --> 01:27:29.760
 Townhomes are permitted in the R4 zoning district

01:27:29.760 --> 01:27:33.360
 with an approved specific use permit,

01:27:33.360 --> 01:27:36.200
 as well as use specific standards.

01:27:36.200 --> 01:27:38.400
 Staff has reviewed the site plan,

01:27:38.400 --> 01:27:40.320
 which we'll see in a couple of seconds here,

01:27:40.320 --> 01:27:44.360
 and made sure that they meet the minimum lot dimensions.

01:27:44.360 --> 01:27:46.840
 Maximum height of their buildings

01:27:46.840 --> 01:27:49.880
 is 40 feet under the R4 zoning district.

01:27:49.880 --> 01:27:52.080
 50% building coverage.

01:27:52.080 --> 01:27:54.680
 And again, staff has looked at their landscaping

01:27:54.680 --> 01:27:57.160
 and their street tree requirements.

01:27:57.160 --> 01:27:59.560
 And again, I've got a slide that illustrates

01:27:59.560 --> 01:28:00.800
 their landscaping plan.

01:28:00.800 --> 01:28:06.120
 And again, they've met all of those requirements.

01:28:06.120 --> 01:28:10.360
 This is the site plan of the proposed townhome development.

01:28:10.360 --> 01:28:15.640
 As you can see, it's shown here on both sides of street A.

01:28:15.640 --> 01:28:17.360
 They haven't identified the street yet.

01:28:17.360 --> 01:28:18.960
 However, during the platting stages,

01:28:18.960 --> 01:28:22.680
 that's when it will be developed or it will be named.

01:28:22.680 --> 01:28:24.800
 Really quickly, again, we've already

01:28:24.800 --> 01:28:30.000
 talked about the R4, 41 townhome lots.

01:28:30.000 --> 01:28:33.560
 They've indicated it will be two stories.

01:28:33.560 --> 01:28:37.200
 The minimum lot area is 2,200.

01:28:37.200 --> 01:28:41.880
 Required minimum lot is 2,000, so they're above that.

01:28:41.880 --> 01:28:45.240
 They are also above the minimum lot width,

01:28:45.240 --> 01:28:47.600
 as well as the minimum lot depth.

01:28:47.600 --> 01:28:50.280
 The size of their open space is significant.

01:28:50.280 --> 01:28:52.680
 As you can see from this site plan,

01:28:52.680 --> 01:28:55.000
 it's primarily all of this lot here.

01:28:55.000 --> 01:28:58.200
 And it wraps around to the west and makes its way

01:28:58.200 --> 01:29:00.320
 up in this direction.

01:29:00.320 --> 01:29:07.320
 This area is primarily ESA, as well as some floodplain or floodway

01:29:07.320 --> 01:29:08.040
 area.

01:29:08.040 --> 01:29:11.520
 So therefore, they're prescribing this area

01:29:11.520 --> 01:29:15.440
 to be more of open space.

01:29:15.440 --> 01:29:16.880
 This is their landscape plan.

01:29:16.880 --> 01:29:20.400
 And again, just to show where those street trees are

01:29:20.400 --> 01:29:23.040
 going to be located, they are required

01:29:23.040 --> 01:29:27.840
 to plant one large shade tree per dwelling,

01:29:27.840 --> 01:29:30.560
 as well as street trees on an average

01:29:30.560 --> 01:29:35.000
 of 30 feet of linear feet on the street frontage.

01:29:35.000 --> 01:29:39.400
 They're also required to provide the 30% front yard landscaping

01:29:39.400 --> 01:29:41.800
 and 20% rear yard landscaping.

01:29:41.800 --> 01:29:47.880
 Now, they don't show their buildings, but their landscaping

01:29:47.880 --> 01:29:51.400
 requirements are that they provide that minimum landscape

01:29:51.400 --> 01:29:54.400
 area in the front, as well as in the rear.

01:29:54.400 --> 01:29:59.400
 And that will be reviewed during their building permit stage.

01:29:59.400 --> 01:30:02.680
 Staff has reviewed the application

01:30:02.680 --> 01:30:06.040
 against the criteria for approval, Section 245E,

01:30:06.040 --> 01:30:11.920
 as well as 252D, and has determined

01:30:11.920 --> 01:30:16.960
 that the plan does comply or is consistent with the comprehensive

01:30:16.960 --> 01:30:18.040
 plan.

01:30:18.040 --> 01:30:20.400
 It, again, is moderate residential.

01:30:20.400 --> 01:30:23.400
 It complies with the development code, as we discussed earlier.

01:30:23.400 --> 01:30:25.200
 They meet the requirements.

01:30:25.200 --> 01:30:28.000
 They also comply with the utility service and improvement

01:30:28.000 --> 01:30:28.960
 standards.

01:30:28.960 --> 01:30:32.400
 Our engineering department has reviewed the utility capacity

01:30:32.400 --> 01:30:35.400
 for the area, and they do comply with that.

01:30:35.400 --> 01:30:38.960
 And again, one of the main corridors in this area

01:30:38.960 --> 01:30:43.960
 is Mayhill Road, and they are just west of Mayhill Road.

01:30:43.960 --> 01:30:46.960
 Notifications were sent out to the areas

01:30:46.960 --> 01:30:48.480
 that you see on this map.

01:30:48.480 --> 01:30:50.240
 As of this afternoon, staff has not

01:30:50.240 --> 01:30:52.640
 received any written responses.

01:30:52.640 --> 01:30:57.120
 Staff has received emails and phone calls,

01:30:57.120 --> 01:31:00.400
 but there were more questions about what's being proposed.

01:31:00.400 --> 01:31:02.760
 So nothing in terms of a response,

01:31:02.760 --> 01:31:07.200
 either in favor or in opposition.

01:31:07.200 --> 01:31:11.120
 The applicant has not held a neighborhood meeting.

01:31:11.120 --> 01:31:14.680
 Again, this is the notification that was prepared.

01:31:14.680 --> 01:31:17.920
 Staff is recommending approval as it meets the criteria

01:31:17.920 --> 01:31:21.880
 for approval, as indicated earlier in the presentation,

01:31:21.880 --> 01:31:23.080
 with a condition.

01:31:23.080 --> 01:31:26.040
 And the condition is as follows.

01:31:26.040 --> 01:31:28.880
 Any amendments to the site plan and landscape plan

01:31:28.880 --> 01:31:32.800
 related to the increasing of the number of lots,

01:31:32.800 --> 01:31:36.800
 the change of the lot layout, changes of the street layout,

01:31:36.800 --> 01:31:39.720
 or decrease of the area of open space

01:31:39.720 --> 01:31:43.800
 shall require a specific use permit amendment in accordance

01:31:43.800 --> 01:31:45.440
 with the DDC.

01:31:45.440 --> 01:31:48.760
 So again, we want to make sure what is being presented

01:31:48.760 --> 01:31:53.040
 is going to be built under their proposed site plan

01:31:53.040 --> 01:31:54.480
 and landscape plan.

01:31:54.480 --> 01:31:56.280
 And that concludes my presentation.

01:31:56.280 --> 01:31:58.400
 I'll stand for any questions.

01:31:58.400 --> 01:31:59.960
 - Thank you, Rome.

01:31:59.960 --> 01:32:01.200
 Any questions for Rome?

01:32:01.200 --> 01:32:03.600
 Commissioner Pruitt?

01:32:03.600 --> 01:32:04.600
 - Thank you, Chair.

01:32:04.600 --> 01:32:07.240
 Is there a particular concern that staff has,

01:32:07.240 --> 01:32:08.960
 which is why they want to,

01:32:08.960 --> 01:32:12.200
 or why the recommendation is to ensure

01:32:12.200 --> 01:32:15.080
 that nothing changes based on the site plan?

01:32:15.080 --> 01:32:18.080
 - No, I think the reason we do that

01:32:18.080 --> 01:32:21.480
 and specific use permits are really tied

01:32:21.480 --> 01:32:24.640
 to some conditions, you know.

01:32:24.640 --> 01:32:26.560
 We want to make sure that the development

01:32:26.560 --> 01:32:29.080
 that's being presented will not change.

01:32:29.080 --> 01:32:30.840
 I don't think we have any concerns.

01:32:30.840 --> 01:32:32.400
 I don't think there'll be any changes,

01:32:32.400 --> 01:32:34.600
 but we just want to make sure that we stipulate

01:32:34.600 --> 01:32:37.920
 that any changes will require a new specific use permit.

01:32:37.920 --> 01:32:39.800
 - Okay, thank you.

01:32:39.800 --> 01:32:43.520
 - Any other questions for Rome?

01:32:43.520 --> 01:32:47.160
 I don't see any right now, Rome.

01:32:47.160 --> 01:32:48.840
 Thank you.

01:32:48.840 --> 01:32:50.120
 This is a public hearing.

01:32:50.120 --> 01:32:52.520
 I don't have any cards to speak on this item,

01:32:52.520 --> 01:32:56.440
 but anyone is able to speak

01:32:56.440 --> 01:32:59.120
 if they feel they would like to.

01:32:59.120 --> 01:33:03.000
 Yeah, if you'll come up and give us your name and address.

01:33:03.000 --> 01:33:03.840
 Please.

01:33:03.840 --> 01:33:04.660
 - I just, I apologize.

01:33:04.660 --> 01:33:06.120
 I was looking to see if the applicant was here

01:33:06.120 --> 01:33:09.200
 and maybe they wanted to speak, but they haven't.

01:33:09.200 --> 01:33:11.200
 - Okay.

01:33:11.200 --> 01:33:15.960
 - They didn't fill out a card, so I assume that they--

01:33:15.960 --> 01:33:16.800
 - No, I did not.

01:33:16.800 --> 01:33:18.200
 Yeah, I do not have any cards.

01:33:18.200 --> 01:33:23.120
 - Good evening, Madam Chairman, members of the commission.

01:33:23.120 --> 01:33:25.600
 My name's Warren Corwin with Corwin Engineering.

01:33:25.600 --> 01:33:29.880
 Ron's done a great job of showing you what we're going to do.

01:33:29.880 --> 01:33:32.040
 I just want to know we're here to answer any questions.

01:33:32.040 --> 01:33:34.520
 So if you have any, we'd be happy to answer them,

01:33:34.520 --> 01:33:38.120
 but no reason to go through what he just went through.

01:33:38.120 --> 01:33:38.960
 - Thank you.

01:33:38.960 --> 01:33:42.120
 I think we do have a question, Commissioner Perutt.

01:33:42.120 --> 01:33:43.280
 You're still on the board now.

01:33:43.280 --> 01:33:45.760
 Okay, any questions for the applicant?

01:33:45.760 --> 01:33:48.480
 Okay, I don't see any.

01:33:48.480 --> 01:33:49.320
 Thank you.

01:33:55.600 --> 01:33:56.440
 - Hello.

01:33:56.440 --> 01:33:57.640
 - Good evening, board members.

01:33:57.640 --> 01:33:58.960
 My name is Paula Buckley,

01:33:58.960 --> 01:34:01.960
 and I live at 950 North May Hill Road,

01:34:01.960 --> 01:34:03.760
 which is directly across the street

01:34:03.760 --> 01:34:06.280
 from where this is going to be planned, okay?

01:34:06.280 --> 01:34:09.480
 My question is, is that, yes,

01:34:09.480 --> 01:34:11.560
 I know there's a floodplain there.

01:34:11.560 --> 01:34:15.280
 What is going to be done to that floodplain area

01:34:15.280 --> 01:34:17.040
 that they're going to leave open?

01:34:17.040 --> 01:34:19.480
 Because there are two creeks that run through that,

01:34:19.480 --> 01:34:21.720
 it runs all the way through the floodplain.

01:34:21.720 --> 01:34:22.560
 - Okay.

01:34:22.560 --> 01:34:25.760
 - Because there are two creeks that run through that,

01:34:25.760 --> 01:34:28.560
 it runs across, underneath the May Hill Road,

01:34:28.560 --> 01:34:32.760
 and then comes across to us on the east side, okay?

01:34:32.760 --> 01:34:34.960
 When North May Hill Road was rebuilt

01:34:34.960 --> 01:34:36.960
 over this past several years,

01:34:36.960 --> 01:34:39.760
 they raised it up for probably about three foot.

01:34:39.760 --> 01:34:42.120
 Now people's houses that live directly

01:34:42.120 --> 01:34:43.920
 on the other side of that get flooded

01:34:43.920 --> 01:34:46.200
 every time we have a main flood,

01:34:46.200 --> 01:34:48.000
 where they get water in their house.

01:34:48.920 --> 01:34:53.000
 So what I would like to know is, do you have a contingency

01:34:53.000 --> 01:34:55.600
 plan for this, or are we going to make sure

01:34:55.600 --> 01:35:00.000
 that not just the development of that community,

01:35:00.000 --> 01:35:03.440
 new community coming in and benefiting them,

01:35:03.440 --> 01:35:05.720
 but to make sure it's not a detriment

01:35:05.720 --> 01:35:09.040
 to those of us that have been there 50 plus years?

01:35:09.040 --> 01:35:12.360
 It's the same place, and that is all.

01:35:12.360 --> 01:35:14.760
 - Thank you, we will bring staff up to answer your question.

01:35:14.760 --> 01:35:16.360
 Thank you for sharing your thoughts

01:35:16.360 --> 01:35:18.960
 and concerns and questions, appreciate it.

01:35:18.960 --> 01:35:23.960
 - Yes, just to answer the drainage question concern.

01:35:23.960 --> 01:35:26.040
 As we all know, May Hill has been improved,

01:35:26.040 --> 01:35:29.440
 and some of that activity may have changed

01:35:29.440 --> 01:35:32.680
 some of the flow of drainage there.

01:35:32.680 --> 01:35:35.960
 But what I can tell you is that as this development

01:35:35.960 --> 01:35:38.880
 continues through the development review process,

01:35:38.880 --> 01:35:41.680
 there will be steps in terms of platting

01:35:41.680 --> 01:35:43.080
 of what will be required,

01:35:43.080 --> 01:35:45.440
 and typically during the platting stage,

01:35:45.440 --> 01:35:50.440
 we will then analyze the drainage situation.

01:35:50.440 --> 01:35:54.520
 We as a city have standards to not impact

01:35:54.520 --> 01:35:56.880
 additional adjacent properties,

01:35:56.880 --> 01:36:01.040
 so therefore any mitigation that needs to occur will happen.

01:36:01.040 --> 01:36:04.560
 They, the applicant has set aside a large number

01:36:04.560 --> 01:36:08.560
 or large area of drainage, so that is one of the areas

01:36:08.560 --> 01:36:11.320
 that could potentially be a detention pond.

01:36:11.320 --> 01:36:16.000
 So again, everything would be reviewed and addressed

01:36:16.000 --> 01:36:19.840
 in terms of drainage and other engineering requirements

01:36:19.840 --> 01:36:22.040
 through the platting stage of this project.

01:36:22.040 --> 01:36:25.280
 - Thank you, Ron.

01:36:25.280 --> 01:36:28.200
 Commissioner Anderson.

01:36:28.200 --> 01:36:31.680
 - Thanks, thanks Chair, but I do have a question.

01:36:31.680 --> 01:36:35.080
 She mentioned that there's already drainage issues,

01:36:35.080 --> 01:36:36.680
 not future drainage.

01:36:36.680 --> 01:36:39.600
 We understand that for future we're gonna take care of that,

01:36:39.600 --> 01:36:41.560
 but what are we gonna, I mean, how can we mitigate

01:36:41.560 --> 01:36:43.720
 what the issues they're having already presently?

01:36:43.720 --> 01:36:47.480
 - Right, and what I heard was as a result

01:36:47.480 --> 01:36:51.480
 of maybe the Mayhill widening project,

01:36:51.480 --> 01:36:53.480
 what I can do is I can get her number,

01:36:53.480 --> 01:36:56.640
 and we can follow up and see if there's anything

01:36:56.640 --> 01:37:00.000
 that we can do to address as far as what had resulted

01:37:00.000 --> 01:37:01.880
 from the Mayhill widening project.

01:37:01.880 --> 01:37:03.360
 - That'd be good, I appreciate it, thank you.

01:37:03.360 --> 01:37:05.240
 - Thank you, Ron. - Does that help you out, ma'am?

01:37:05.240 --> 01:37:06.680
 - Yes, it does. - All right.

01:37:06.680 --> 01:37:07.520
 - Thank you.

01:37:09.120 --> 01:37:10.640
 - Okay, this is a public hearing.

01:37:10.640 --> 01:37:12.720
 Again, I don't have any comment cards

01:37:12.720 --> 01:37:14.840
 in front of me to speak, but anyone here

01:37:14.840 --> 01:37:18.760
 is able to speak if they wish to on this item.

01:37:18.760 --> 01:37:23.880
 Staff, do we have anyone on the phone?

01:37:23.880 --> 01:37:28.560
 - We do not have anyone on the phone.

01:37:28.560 --> 01:37:30.360
 - Thank you very much.

01:37:30.360 --> 01:37:32.120
 Okay, seeing no further speakers,

01:37:32.120 --> 01:37:34.600
 I will go ahead and close the public hearing

01:37:34.600 --> 01:37:37.440
 and open the floor for discussion or a motion.

01:37:37.440 --> 01:37:39.000
 Commissioner Smith.

01:37:39.000 --> 01:37:41.720
 - Make a motion to approve the staff recommendations.

01:37:41.720 --> 01:37:43.360
 - Commissioner Pruitt.

01:37:43.360 --> 01:37:44.600
 - I'll second.

01:37:44.600 --> 01:37:46.520
 - Okay, we've got a first and a second

01:37:46.520 --> 01:37:51.520
 for approval of this request with the noted staff condition.

01:37:51.520 --> 01:37:53.280
 Any discussion?

01:37:53.280 --> 01:37:57.440
 Okay, let's vote on the board, please.

01:37:57.440 --> 01:38:05.160
 That motion carries seven, zero.

01:38:05.160 --> 01:38:10.160
 That will move us to 4B, PD 20007.

01:38:10.160 --> 01:38:14.960
 And I will invite Karina up for presentation

01:38:14.960 --> 01:38:16.320
 and open the public hearing.

01:38:16.320 --> 01:38:30.920
 Hi, Karina. - Hi.

01:38:30.920 --> 01:38:33.240
 Sorry, you have to give me a while to walk over here.

01:38:33.240 --> 01:38:34.080
 - No worries.

01:38:35.160 --> 01:38:37.740
 (mouse clicks)

01:38:37.740 --> 01:38:43.680
 All right, thank you, Chair, commissioners.

01:38:43.680 --> 01:38:46.200
 The item before you today is a public hearing,

01:38:46.200 --> 01:38:49.040
 PD 20-0007.

01:38:49.040 --> 01:38:51.080
 This is a love first community village.

01:38:51.080 --> 01:38:58.080
 The request today is to rezone approximately 15.9 acres

01:38:58.080 --> 01:39:02.120
 from the current R7 district to a planned development

01:39:02.120 --> 01:39:04.760
 with a base zoning of MN district.

01:39:05.320 --> 01:39:08.280
 Specifically for a transitional housing use.

01:39:08.280 --> 01:39:11.040
 This is a definition added specifically

01:39:11.040 --> 01:39:15.640
 for this plan development defined as temporary housing

01:39:15.640 --> 01:39:17.520
 and supportive services that are operated

01:39:17.520 --> 01:39:21.200
 by a nonprofit organization intended for at-risk families

01:39:21.200 --> 01:39:23.720
 who are experiencing financial burdens

01:39:23.720 --> 01:39:26.960
 that have led to or may lead to homelessness.

01:39:26.960 --> 01:39:29.760
 It's not intended to serve as a homeless shelter

01:39:29.760 --> 01:39:32.280
 or a group home, and it does allow

01:39:32.280 --> 01:39:36.240
 for accessory amenity center and recreational amenities.

01:39:36.240 --> 01:39:39.000
 Those are also defined within the PD.

01:39:39.000 --> 01:39:41.760
 I did wanna make a note based on work session

01:39:41.760 --> 01:39:43.920
 after speaking with the applicant

01:39:43.920 --> 01:39:47.320
 about the definition of temporary housing

01:39:47.320 --> 01:39:50.360
 that we will, we're intending to tweak the definition

01:39:50.360 --> 01:39:53.520
 in the PD if it pleases the commission.

01:39:53.520 --> 01:39:58.520
 Two language, and I can read that off the slight deviations,

01:40:00.400 --> 01:40:03.160
 which would just change the definition

01:40:03.160 --> 01:40:08.160
 to remove the section that states operated

01:40:08.160 --> 01:40:12.760
 as a nonprofit organization as well as indicate

01:40:12.760 --> 01:40:15.880
 that transitional housing is defined

01:40:15.880 --> 01:40:18.720
 as temporary housing for clients transitioning

01:40:18.720 --> 01:40:23.560
 to permanent housing for no less than 24 months

01:40:23.560 --> 01:40:25.480
 as defined by HUD.

01:40:25.480 --> 01:40:30.360
 So as defined by HUD allows the transitional housing use

01:40:30.360 --> 01:40:33.760
 to be between or no more than 24 months

01:40:33.760 --> 01:40:38.360
 or as extended or as needed.

01:40:38.360 --> 01:40:40.360
 So after speaking with the applicant,

01:40:40.360 --> 01:40:42.160
 it would be between two to five years,

01:40:42.160 --> 01:40:45.880
 but sticking to the HUD definition,

01:40:45.880 --> 01:40:50.240
 so that is the national definition of transitional housing.

01:40:50.240 --> 01:40:52.680
 The rest of the definition would remain the same,

01:40:52.680 --> 01:40:56.560
 and we can circulate that revised definition.

01:40:56.560 --> 01:41:00.680
 I had Scott help me during the break,

01:41:00.680 --> 01:41:05.680
 but we can circulate that momentarily.

01:41:05.680 --> 01:41:09.800
 So just to wanna flag that between work session and now.

01:41:09.800 --> 01:41:11.480
 So going back to the site,

01:41:11.480 --> 01:41:13.520
 the site is located on the south side

01:41:13.520 --> 01:41:17.720
 of East McKinney Street, East of Mayhill Road,

01:41:17.720 --> 01:41:20.160
 I've highlighted that in red for you.

01:41:20.160 --> 01:41:22.520
 The surrounding development for this property

01:41:22.520 --> 01:41:24.720
 is residential, you can see that in the yellow

01:41:24.720 --> 01:41:27.800
 shown on the screen, that is low residential

01:41:27.800 --> 01:41:31.400
 existing development on the north side

01:41:31.400 --> 01:41:33.960
 and on the east side of the property.

01:41:33.960 --> 01:41:36.400
 They're also adjacent to Ryan High School,

01:41:36.400 --> 01:41:37.960
 they're just right caddy corner to it,

01:41:37.960 --> 01:41:41.720
 there's an existing light at that corner.

01:41:41.720 --> 01:41:46.480
 Also adjacent to it on the south side

01:41:46.480 --> 01:41:49.000
 is government-owned facilities.

01:41:49.000 --> 01:41:52.840
 So the Texas DPS facility that was recently constructed

01:41:52.840 --> 01:41:55.400
 is at the hard corner of Mayhill and East McKinney.

01:41:55.400 --> 01:41:59.960
 Directly to the south is existing FEMA flood plain.

01:41:59.960 --> 01:42:02.280
 However, that is parks property

01:42:02.280 --> 01:42:04.560
 where a future trail is to be located.

01:42:04.560 --> 01:42:09.520
 Directly west of the property, if you can recall,

01:42:09.520 --> 01:42:11.360
 there was an approved specific use permit

01:42:11.360 --> 01:42:13.680
 for multifamily on that site.

01:42:13.680 --> 01:42:15.920
 It's still in the development review process,

01:42:15.920 --> 01:42:19.560
 but it is intended to start construction soon,

01:42:19.560 --> 01:42:23.360
 so that wasn't SUP approved for multifamily.

01:42:23.360 --> 01:42:25.360
 Also on the north side is religious assembly

01:42:25.360 --> 01:42:27.760
 that is existing as well as a few parcels

01:42:27.760 --> 01:42:31.640
 of undeveloped land within the residential two district.

01:42:31.640 --> 01:42:35.600
 For the future land use, as you know,

01:42:35.600 --> 01:42:40.600
 the Denton plan, the Denton 2040 comprehensive plan,

01:42:40.600 --> 01:42:44.640
 excuse me, was just adopted yesterday by council.

01:42:44.640 --> 01:42:46.600
 So on this slide, you'll actually see

01:42:46.600 --> 01:42:50.080
 the previous designation

01:42:50.080 --> 01:42:52.960
 as well as the current designation as of yesterday.

01:42:52.960 --> 01:42:55.360
 So under the Denton plan 2030,

01:42:55.360 --> 01:42:59.040
 the site was designated for moderate density residential

01:42:59.040 --> 01:43:02.080
 as well as community mixed use, excuse me,

01:43:02.080 --> 01:43:05.600
 that moderate density residential is intended

01:43:05.600 --> 01:43:07.920
 to serve compact single family neighborhoods

01:43:07.920 --> 01:43:10.400
 as well as low rise multifamily

01:43:10.400 --> 01:43:13.320
 with any certain density of four to 12 dwelling units

01:43:13.320 --> 01:43:14.320
 per acre.

01:43:14.320 --> 01:43:17.600
 It encourages a variety of housing styles

01:43:17.600 --> 01:43:20.720
 that are adjacent to retail parks and schools.

01:43:20.720 --> 01:43:23.440
 The community mixed use is intended

01:43:23.440 --> 01:43:27.040
 for that retail service component as well as offices

01:43:27.040 --> 01:43:29.040
 where residential is complimentary.

01:43:29.040 --> 01:43:32.440
 That did not change in the 2040 plan.

01:43:32.440 --> 01:43:33.840
 You can see that community mixed use

01:43:33.840 --> 01:43:35.600
 is still the designation.

01:43:35.600 --> 01:43:37.600
 So it's consistent with both plans.

01:43:37.600 --> 01:43:41.720
 In addition to the future land use designation,

01:43:41.720 --> 01:43:45.760
 this project does comply with goal HN1

01:43:45.760 --> 01:43:48.680
 in our housing element of both plans,

01:43:48.680 --> 01:43:52.680
 the previous and current future land use plan.

01:43:52.680 --> 01:43:58.640
 Goal HN1 is to develop and maintain a housing stock

01:43:58.640 --> 01:44:01.440
 that meets the needs of all residences

01:44:01.440 --> 01:44:03.840
 within a diverse array of choices

01:44:03.840 --> 01:44:05.920
 and type, cost, and location.

01:44:05.920 --> 01:44:08.240
 And so as you can see, the proposed development

01:44:08.240 --> 01:44:12.880
 or proposed PD does conform to both those comprehensive plans.

01:44:12.880 --> 01:44:14.760
 It's proposing a maximum density

01:44:14.760 --> 01:44:16.720
 of 3.5 dwelling units per acre,

01:44:16.720 --> 01:44:19.600
 so keeping it at a low residential mix.

01:44:19.600 --> 01:44:23.480
 It is community oriented with some mixed use.

01:44:23.480 --> 01:44:25.680
 It offers a residential component

01:44:25.680 --> 01:44:28.720
 as well as a non-residential component

01:44:28.720 --> 01:44:33.720
 of that daycare use and office use on the north side.

01:44:33.720 --> 01:44:37.680
 And it does provide that affordable housing product

01:44:37.680 --> 01:44:41.240
 for families experiencing financial difficulties,

01:44:41.240 --> 01:44:43.880
 those that are at risk of homelessness.

01:44:43.880 --> 01:44:47.480
 So just going over the plan just very briefly,

01:44:47.480 --> 01:44:52.200
 this is the development plan associated with the PD.

01:44:52.200 --> 01:44:54.480
 I've provided some conceptual elevations.

01:44:54.480 --> 01:44:55.640
 The applicant is here today

01:44:55.640 --> 01:44:58.040
 and they'll give a presentation after

01:44:58.040 --> 01:45:00.200
 with more specific details.

01:45:00.200 --> 01:45:03.640
 But this is a mixed use development

01:45:03.640 --> 01:45:07.440
 in which they're proposing 53 dwelling units.

01:45:07.440 --> 01:45:08.560
 That is a mixed density

01:45:08.560 --> 01:45:11.000
 that includes multifamily buildings.

01:45:11.000 --> 01:45:15.920
 Those would be eight units per building,

01:45:15.920 --> 01:45:18.040
 as well as a mix of duplex

01:45:18.040 --> 01:45:20.840
 and single family style residential.

01:45:20.840 --> 01:45:23.920
 And so on the screen, you can see those are the brown boxes

01:45:23.920 --> 01:45:28.920
 on the south side oriented around the amenity centers

01:45:28.920 --> 01:45:31.440
 and recreational amenities.

01:45:31.440 --> 01:45:33.520
 And those can be seen in blue.

01:45:33.520 --> 01:45:36.280
 Those amenity centers, or sorry, recreational amenities

01:45:36.280 --> 01:45:38.480
 would include things like a sports court,

01:45:38.480 --> 01:45:42.840
 a community garden, a playground for the residents,

01:45:42.840 --> 01:45:47.080
 event lawns, trails, pathways, and other gathering spaces.

01:45:47.080 --> 01:45:50.800
 Also that's unique to this PD

01:45:50.800 --> 01:45:55.040
 is the 60 foot setback that's proposed

01:45:55.040 --> 01:45:57.320
 with enhanced landscaping.

01:45:57.320 --> 01:45:59.120
 So off of East McKinney Street,

01:45:59.120 --> 01:46:02.920
 which was recently widened to include a 12 foot

01:46:02.920 --> 01:46:04.360
 multi-use path on the north side

01:46:04.360 --> 01:46:07.400
 and an eight foot sidewalk on the south side.

01:46:07.400 --> 01:46:11.600
 They are proposing that the buildings be set back

01:46:11.600 --> 01:46:14.160
 a minimum of 60 feet.

01:46:14.160 --> 01:46:18.160
 They're actually within like 70 and 80 on here,

01:46:18.160 --> 01:46:21.840
 as well as that increased or enhanced landscaping.

01:46:21.840 --> 01:46:25.120
 So that would include ornamental trees,

01:46:25.120 --> 01:46:29.480
 shrubs, street trees,

01:46:29.480 --> 01:46:33.880
 and some ornamental fencing at the right of way.

01:46:33.880 --> 01:46:36.840
 They're also having a buffer on the east and west side

01:46:36.840 --> 01:46:39.560
 between the residential use on the east

01:46:39.560 --> 01:46:42.480
 as well as that multifamily on the west side

01:46:42.480 --> 01:46:44.360
 that is coming in.

01:46:44.360 --> 01:46:46.960
 One really great component of this site

01:46:46.960 --> 01:46:50.560
 is the bicycle pedestrian connectivity within the site,

01:46:50.560 --> 01:46:53.760
 as well as how it connects to existing facilities

01:46:53.760 --> 01:46:55.120
 on East McKinney Street.

01:46:55.120 --> 01:46:58.480
 This development is working with the Parks Department

01:46:58.480 --> 01:47:00.960
 to have a future trail connection

01:47:00.960 --> 01:47:03.840
 to that future Pecan Creek Trail to the south.

01:47:03.840 --> 01:47:07.840
 This is consistent with the other multifamily developments

01:47:07.840 --> 01:47:11.680
 that have been coming in on the south side

01:47:11.680 --> 01:47:13.400
 of East McKinney Street.

01:47:13.400 --> 01:47:16.720
 So I do wanna flag that this does have one central

01:47:16.720 --> 01:47:19.480
 full access driveway into the development.

01:47:19.480 --> 01:47:20.840
 The development will be sprinkler

01:47:20.840 --> 01:47:23.320
 to meet our fire requirements.

01:47:23.320 --> 01:47:25.400
 It is signalized at that corner.

01:47:25.400 --> 01:47:28.160
 So there is that connectivity for residents

01:47:28.160 --> 01:47:31.920
 to, if they have children at Bryan High School,

01:47:31.920 --> 01:47:34.640
 be able to walk to the school or cross safely

01:47:34.640 --> 01:47:38.240
 to the north side to get to our bike ped facilities.

01:47:38.240 --> 01:47:42.240
 So with that, just briefly going over

01:47:42.240 --> 01:47:43.920
 the criteria for approval.

01:47:43.920 --> 01:47:45.040
 I won't go through all,

01:47:45.040 --> 01:47:47.040
 but there are general approval criteria

01:47:47.040 --> 01:47:48.800
 that this development would need to meet,

01:47:48.800 --> 01:47:53.240
 as well as PD criteria just in summary

01:47:53.240 --> 01:47:55.200
 and the rest is in the staff report.

01:47:55.200 --> 01:47:58.120
 The project is consistent with the future land use map,

01:47:58.120 --> 01:48:01.440
 as well as housing goals for a comprehensive plan.

01:48:01.440 --> 01:48:04.440
 The development does limit uses on the site

01:48:04.440 --> 01:48:06.160
 to those specific to the PD,

01:48:06.160 --> 01:48:09.440
 which is the amenity center, the daycare use,

01:48:09.440 --> 01:48:12.080
 the office and the residential component.

01:48:12.080 --> 01:48:15.320
 It does create a community oriented development pattern

01:48:15.320 --> 01:48:17.640
 with that residential character,

01:48:17.640 --> 01:48:20.560
 increased landscaping and open space.

01:48:20.560 --> 01:48:22.280
 It does minimize impacts

01:48:22.280 --> 01:48:24.360
 to surrounding residential development,

01:48:24.360 --> 01:48:27.200
 as it does serve as that transitional buffer

01:48:27.200 --> 01:48:30.760
 between the low residential on the north and east side,

01:48:30.760 --> 01:48:33.440
 between that and the moderate and high density,

01:48:33.440 --> 01:48:35.160
 residential and commercial that's developing

01:48:35.160 --> 01:48:36.720
 on the west side of it.

01:48:36.720 --> 01:48:40.240
 And then last, there is adequate infrastructure

01:48:40.240 --> 01:48:42.320
 and capacity to serve the development.

01:48:42.320 --> 01:48:46.120
 East McKinney street was just completed at that portion.

01:48:46.120 --> 01:48:48.440
 So it does have a four lanes,

01:48:48.440 --> 01:48:52.200
 as well as that multi-use path on the north side

01:48:52.200 --> 01:48:53.760
 and the sidewalk to the south.

01:48:53.760 --> 01:49:00.360
 We did have our notices sent out for this project.

01:49:00.560 --> 01:49:03.600
 As you can see, there was only one response.

01:49:03.600 --> 01:49:06.880
 It was in favor, but that was from the property owner.

01:49:06.880 --> 01:49:09.880
 So it will not be counted towards the calculation,

01:49:09.880 --> 01:49:13.520
 but we did not receive any other responses for the site.

01:49:13.520 --> 01:49:15.840
 The applicant did not hold any neighborhood meetings

01:49:15.840 --> 01:49:18.720
 for this, but they did indicate that they reached out

01:49:18.720 --> 01:49:22.640
 to individual property owners adjacent to them.

01:49:22.640 --> 01:49:26.160
 And with that staff is recommending approval

01:49:26.160 --> 01:49:29.840
 as it does meet the criteria within the DDC.

01:49:29.840 --> 01:49:33.160
 And then the next steps for this project are,

01:49:33.160 --> 01:49:36.520
 if approved today, it would go to city council on April 5th.

01:49:36.520 --> 01:49:38.560
 And with that, I can take any questions.

01:49:38.560 --> 01:49:42.280
 - Thank you, Karina.

01:49:42.280 --> 01:49:43.200
 Commissioner Perot.

01:49:43.200 --> 01:49:49.680
 - Thank you, Chair.

01:49:49.680 --> 01:49:52.440
 Two questions.

01:49:52.440 --> 01:49:54.800
 And the second one, if we want to just defer,

01:49:54.800 --> 01:49:56.880
 if the applicant would be better able to answer it,

01:49:56.880 --> 01:49:58.240
 that's fine.

01:49:58.240 --> 01:49:59.800
 First one, I'll kind of repeat

01:49:59.800 --> 01:50:01.760
 what I had on a different item.

01:50:01.760 --> 01:50:06.640
 What concern are we trying to guard against

01:50:06.640 --> 01:50:11.640
 by specifically defining the use in this property

01:50:11.640 --> 01:50:18.360
 such that if something happens in the future

01:50:18.360 --> 01:50:19.760
 and it needs to change a little bit

01:50:19.760 --> 01:50:23.280
 to something compatible with an R7 or something like that,

01:50:23.280 --> 01:50:27.360
 we would require a rezoning and a re everything.

01:50:27.360 --> 01:50:29.600
 - Yeah, I can definitely touch on that.

01:50:29.600 --> 01:50:33.920
 The reason why this PD is kind of the option moving forward

01:50:33.920 --> 01:50:36.120
 is that the way that our development code

01:50:36.120 --> 01:50:39.040
 or the uses within the development code now

01:50:39.040 --> 01:50:43.080
 don't specifically serve the type of development

01:50:43.080 --> 01:50:44.440
 that's being proposed.

01:50:44.440 --> 01:50:46.240
 So this is one of those creative solutions

01:50:46.240 --> 01:50:48.400
 where in order for the development to go in,

01:50:48.400 --> 01:50:50.720
 it would need its own definition.

01:50:50.720 --> 01:50:56.480
 So it's not your typical group home.

01:50:56.480 --> 01:50:58.240
 It's not a homeless shelter.

01:50:58.240 --> 01:51:00.560
 And it's not necessarily the HML use

01:51:00.560 --> 01:51:03.360
 that we've been seeing across the city.

01:51:03.360 --> 01:51:05.400
 It's intended for a certain population.

01:51:05.400 --> 01:51:08.200
 And so the mechanism to get to that route

01:51:08.200 --> 01:51:09.400
 was the plan development.

01:51:09.400 --> 01:51:11.560
 And so that's why that definition is going in.

01:51:11.560 --> 01:51:12.400
 - Yeah, sorry.

01:51:12.400 --> 01:51:15.240
 Sorry, just give me one more chance here.

01:51:15.240 --> 01:51:17.000
 I understand that that's the reason

01:51:17.000 --> 01:51:19.640
 why the definition needs to be added.

01:51:19.640 --> 01:51:23.320
 Why do we prefer to carve it out

01:51:23.320 --> 01:51:26.560
 so that that's the only allowable use of the property

01:51:26.560 --> 01:51:30.720
 instead of saying allowable uses are the by-right uses

01:51:30.720 --> 01:51:34.200
 for the current zoning plus this intended use?

01:51:34.200 --> 01:51:39.120
 - I think there's a couple things

01:51:39.120 --> 01:51:41.040
 that are kind of going on with that.

01:51:41.040 --> 01:51:44.000
 So with the base zoning of MN

01:51:44.000 --> 01:51:46.000
 to do what they're trying to do,

01:51:46.000 --> 01:51:50.160
 there's other uses that would be included on top of that.

01:51:50.160 --> 01:51:52.520
 So that's the reason for the restriction

01:51:52.520 --> 01:51:56.440
 to those certain uses on the site now.

01:51:56.440 --> 01:52:00.480
 And then the restriction to keep it as the,

01:52:00.480 --> 01:52:02.520
 intended for transitional housing.

01:52:02.520 --> 01:52:06.320
 It's really just how the process

01:52:06.320 --> 01:52:09.720
 of how it got negotiated into the PD.

01:52:09.720 --> 01:52:13.600
 There's certainly reasons if PNZ wanted,

01:52:13.600 --> 01:52:16.440
 we could kind of tweak the language and change the language.

01:52:16.440 --> 01:52:18.200
 Most of the way it's written now

01:52:18.200 --> 01:52:20.960
 is to make sure that it's enforceable.

01:52:20.960 --> 01:52:24.200
 So we wanna make sure that what they're intending to do

01:52:24.200 --> 01:52:28.440
 is still applicable in the future.

01:52:28.440 --> 01:52:33.000
 And I'm kind of starting to lose my train of thoughts.

01:52:33.000 --> 01:52:35.120
 Reel me back in if I'm going the wrong way.

01:52:35.120 --> 01:52:36.160
 - No, if I could interject.

01:52:36.160 --> 01:52:39.880
 I mean, a PD really is supposed to be specific, right?

01:52:39.880 --> 01:52:44.040
 For a specific use, not a specific use permit.

01:52:44.040 --> 01:52:45.800
 But I mean, it is supposed to be defined

01:52:45.800 --> 01:52:48.520
 as to what the plan development is.

01:52:48.520 --> 01:52:52.040
 Otherwise, it would just be the zoning that it is, right?

01:52:52.040 --> 01:52:56.240
 - Yeah, to Margie's point, this isn't a use

01:52:56.240 --> 01:52:59.920
 that would allow it to go within the DDC as it exists now.

01:52:59.920 --> 01:53:03.000
 And so using that PD mechanism,

01:53:03.000 --> 01:53:04.960
 in order for the PD to be enforceable,

01:53:04.960 --> 01:53:07.600
 it has to have that specific language.

01:53:07.600 --> 01:53:10.880
 So that's how it was kind of crafted now.

01:53:10.880 --> 01:53:15.880
 If there's an intent to redefine the use or add new uses,

01:53:15.880 --> 01:53:17.520
 which is not really the intent

01:53:17.520 --> 01:53:19.080
 of what they're doing right now,

01:53:19.080 --> 01:53:21.080
 they could go back through the PD process

01:53:21.080 --> 01:53:23.080
 and request a PD amendment.

01:53:23.080 --> 01:53:25.160
 It would become a major amendment,

01:53:25.160 --> 01:53:28.200
 which would then trigger additional public hearings

01:53:28.200 --> 01:53:30.240
 and an additional approval process.

01:53:30.240 --> 01:53:33.080
 But this is sort of where we landed at this point.

01:53:33.080 --> 01:53:35.040
 - Understood, thank you, that helps.

01:53:35.040 --> 01:53:35.920
 And then the second question,

01:53:35.920 --> 01:53:37.240
 which I'm happy to hold off for,

01:53:37.240 --> 01:53:39.640
 if the applicant would be better able to answer this.

01:53:39.640 --> 01:53:41.640
 But since you mentioned it in your presentation,

01:53:41.640 --> 01:53:44.320
 you said that these units would be sprinklered.

01:53:46.120 --> 01:53:48.960
 My understanding is that single and dual family,

01:53:48.960 --> 01:53:51.280
 if it's under IRC, for the most part,

01:53:51.280 --> 01:53:52.360
 doesn't have to be sprinklered

01:53:52.360 --> 01:53:54.760
 unless the wall-to-wall distances

01:53:54.760 --> 01:53:56.960
 are closer than a certain distance.

01:53:56.960 --> 01:54:01.360
 Is it that distance between the buildings on the site plan

01:54:01.360 --> 01:54:03.440
 that's driving that requirement?

01:54:03.440 --> 01:54:04.960
 - I'll have to, I'm gonna try and remember

01:54:04.960 --> 01:54:08.440
 this conversation very well between FIRE and the applicant.

01:54:08.440 --> 01:54:09.880
 There were initial discussions

01:54:09.880 --> 01:54:12.120
 about two points of access being required

01:54:12.120 --> 01:54:15.040
 because it is sort of like, just like the HML use,

01:54:15.040 --> 01:54:17.040
 it's a multifamily type use.

01:54:17.040 --> 01:54:21.480
 There isn't a specific definition listed for it.

01:54:21.480 --> 01:54:25.000
 So in speaking with FIRE and then doing that coordination,

01:54:25.000 --> 01:54:26.560
 it was determined that these are more

01:54:26.560 --> 01:54:29.120
 like single-family homes.

01:54:29.120 --> 01:54:31.640
 So the second point of access was not required.

01:54:31.640 --> 01:54:33.320
 But in order for that to happen,

01:54:33.320 --> 01:54:34.920
 the homes would need to be sprinklered.

01:54:34.920 --> 01:54:39.920
 So it was kind of a compromise in making sure

01:54:39.920 --> 01:54:44.160
 that it was sufficient to meet FIRE's requirements.

01:54:44.160 --> 01:54:48.160
 - Okay, so similar, I think we've had a couple of PDs

01:54:48.160 --> 01:54:50.680
 that had similar one and two unit homes

01:54:50.680 --> 01:54:53.240
 on a single-platted property.

01:54:53.240 --> 01:54:57.480
 The ones of those that only had a single point of access

01:54:57.480 --> 01:54:59.000
 also had that requirement?

01:54:59.000 --> 01:55:00.360
 - Yes. - Okay, thank you.

01:55:00.360 --> 01:55:05.080
 - And then just to throw in, Scott did share with you

01:55:05.080 --> 01:55:08.080
 the printed definition or the proposed revised definition

01:55:08.080 --> 01:55:10.920
 for the PD that we can include

01:55:12.120 --> 01:55:15.800
 if it satisfies the concerns of PNZ.

01:55:15.800 --> 01:55:18.560
 - Okay, thank you.

01:55:18.560 --> 01:55:19.640
 Commissioner Smith.

01:55:19.640 --> 01:55:21.440
 - Thank you, Chair.

01:55:21.440 --> 01:55:25.520
 Thank you for the striking of the non-profit piece, Karina,

01:55:25.520 --> 01:55:27.480
 that helps out quite a bit.

01:55:27.480 --> 01:55:31.080
 Just think for long-term outcomes

01:55:31.080 --> 01:55:32.480
 of something were to happen.

01:55:32.480 --> 01:55:35.400
 The only thing I'm looking at on the definition

01:55:35.400 --> 01:55:37.920
 now that's been passed out, it's highlighted,

01:55:37.920 --> 01:55:39.760
 within 24 months or longer period defined

01:55:39.760 --> 01:55:42.160
 by case management participation in the program.

01:55:42.160 --> 01:55:47.720
 I guess it's referencing a program

01:55:47.720 --> 01:55:49.840
 that's not really discussed anywhere else

01:55:49.840 --> 01:55:51.840
 in the definition, does that make sense?

01:55:51.840 --> 01:55:55.240
 So just feels like it kind of leaves you as like--

01:55:55.240 --> 01:55:57.280
 - Well, there's a partial reasoning for that

01:55:57.280 --> 01:55:59.760
 and it's that the way that the PD is written

01:55:59.760 --> 01:56:02.960
 is it has to be specific and it has to be enforceable.

01:56:02.960 --> 01:56:05.400
 The timeframe for transitional housing

01:56:05.400 --> 01:56:08.920
 is not something that the city can necessarily regulate.

01:56:08.920 --> 01:56:11.960
 It would be defined or managed by the organization.

01:56:11.960 --> 01:56:14.240
 So the non-profit, the operating now

01:56:14.240 --> 01:56:18.640
 or the future non-profit would define

01:56:18.640 --> 01:56:23.640
 the length of the temporary term based on their program.

01:56:23.640 --> 01:56:25.840
 So with the original language,

01:56:25.840 --> 01:56:27.800
 restricting it to the non-profit,

01:56:27.800 --> 01:56:31.720
 that's where the non-profit program would,

01:56:31.720 --> 01:56:34.520
 through their program restrict or maybe not restrict,

01:56:34.520 --> 01:56:38.760
 but identify the needs of the resident to determine--

01:56:38.760 --> 01:56:40.040
 - I guess, and as Scott's--

01:56:40.040 --> 01:56:43.280
 - Scott's letting me know the applicant's prepared

01:56:43.280 --> 01:56:45.080
 to speak on that question if you wanna hear

01:56:45.080 --> 01:56:46.680
 their presentation and let them know.

01:56:46.680 --> 01:56:48.400
 - I would, before that comes up here,

01:56:48.400 --> 01:56:50.040
 I would say something that says something

01:56:50.040 --> 01:56:54.040
 along the lines of defined by the operator,

01:56:54.040 --> 01:56:55.600
 something more general, but yeah, sorry.

01:56:55.600 --> 01:56:56.960
 - Yeah, I mean, let's not get into trying

01:56:56.960 --> 01:56:58.560
 to spell out anything I think right now,

01:56:58.560 --> 01:57:02.000
 but just either staff questions or we'll continue

01:57:02.000 --> 01:57:05.280
 and get the applicant's presentation.

01:57:08.240 --> 01:57:09.760
 - Okay, Commissioner Anderson.

01:57:09.760 --> 01:57:11.800
 - Thank you, Chair.

01:57:11.800 --> 01:57:14.200
 Thank you for the presentation.

01:57:14.200 --> 01:57:18.040
 First, I wanna, again, you said it's not homeless.

01:57:18.040 --> 01:57:20.200
 I'd like for it to be set on record,

01:57:20.200 --> 01:57:21.720
 this will not be a homeless shelter

01:57:21.720 --> 01:57:24.360
 because in your definition, it says,

01:57:24.360 --> 01:57:27.200
 experienced financial burdens that have led to

01:57:27.200 --> 01:57:29.720
 or may lead to homelessness.

01:57:29.720 --> 01:57:31.240
 - But it's not a homeless shelter.

01:57:31.240 --> 01:57:32.920
 So as defined by the DDC,

01:57:32.920 --> 01:57:35.920
 there's a specific definition on homeless shelters,

01:57:35.920 --> 01:57:40.920
 which talks about the daily stay that someone would be there.

01:57:40.920 --> 01:57:44.800
 So that statement is purposeful to indicate

01:57:44.800 --> 01:57:48.680
 that this is not intended to be that use.

01:57:48.680 --> 01:57:49.880
 It's not a homeless shelter.

01:57:49.880 --> 01:57:53.880
 It's for those who have some sort of financial difficulties

01:57:53.880 --> 01:57:57.000
 that might put them at risk for it.

01:57:57.000 --> 01:58:01.960
 So this is the way to kind of distinguish

01:58:01.960 --> 01:58:03.120
 the two types of uses.

01:58:03.120 --> 01:58:06.360
 And again, I think it might be best described

01:58:06.360 --> 01:58:07.720
 by the applicant.

01:58:07.720 --> 01:58:09.960
 - Okay, 'cause I mean, we do have some homeless shelters

01:58:09.960 --> 01:58:10.800
 and didn't already.

01:58:10.800 --> 01:58:13.120
 And one of them is next to a juvenile center

01:58:13.120 --> 01:58:16.120
 and we've had issues with the homeless bother

01:58:16.120 --> 01:58:17.360
 and the juveniles.

01:58:17.360 --> 01:58:19.520
 And this is directly across the street from a high school.

01:58:19.520 --> 01:58:20.680
 And I'd hate to see a homeless shelter

01:58:20.680 --> 01:58:21.680
 across the street from a high school

01:58:21.680 --> 01:58:24.280
 and interfering with the students.

01:58:24.280 --> 01:58:29.280
 The other thing is, this would be good for the applicant,

01:58:30.240 --> 01:58:34.400
 but yeah, that's okay, thanks.

01:58:34.400 --> 01:58:37.040
 - Yeah, and if I could just add to that just a little bit,

01:58:37.040 --> 01:58:39.000
 just for some food for thought.

01:58:39.000 --> 01:58:42.080
 We've defined this with like being this

01:58:42.080 --> 01:58:48.080
 maximum in the place, but we don't have a minimum.

01:58:48.080 --> 01:58:53.080
 And that probably is what maybe could answer

01:58:53.080 --> 01:58:57.240
 answer some of the questions about this becoming

01:58:57.240 --> 01:58:59.120
 a homeless shelter versus something else.

01:58:59.120 --> 01:59:00.560
 I'll just throw that out there.

01:59:00.560 --> 01:59:03.400
 Commissioner Anderson, you are through with your questions?

01:59:03.400 --> 01:59:04.400
 Yeah, okay.

01:59:04.400 --> 01:59:06.680
 Anyone else with questions for staff?

01:59:06.680 --> 01:59:09.040
 Otherwise, we'll go ahead and move on with presentation.

01:59:09.040 --> 01:59:09.880
 Haley.

01:59:09.880 --> 01:59:11.680
 - I just wanted to clarify,

01:59:11.680 --> 01:59:14.480
 because a homeless shelter is a specifically defined use

01:59:14.480 --> 01:59:17.560
 in the DDC and that use is not one of the uses

01:59:17.560 --> 01:59:19.840
 that's specifically allowed within this PD,

01:59:19.840 --> 01:59:22.600
 that transition from this specific use

01:59:22.600 --> 01:59:24.440
 to a homeless shelter could not occur

01:59:24.440 --> 01:59:26.080
 without changing the zoning to allow

01:59:26.080 --> 01:59:28.080
 for a homeless shelter on the property.

01:59:30.120 --> 01:59:32.120
 If that helps clarify the concern there.

01:59:32.120 --> 01:59:36.040
 - Okay.

01:59:36.040 --> 01:59:38.960
 Thank you, Karina.

01:59:38.960 --> 01:59:40.360
 I don't see any questions right now.

01:59:40.360 --> 01:59:42.200
 I also don't have any cards,

01:59:42.200 --> 01:59:46.680
 but I'm guessing the applicant has a presentation maybe.

01:59:46.680 --> 01:59:47.520
 Hi, Amy.

01:59:47.520 --> 01:59:52.320
 Okay, I will.

01:59:52.320 --> 01:59:56.800
 - Give me just a moment to plug it in.

01:59:56.800 --> 01:59:57.640
 - Of course. - Thank you.

01:59:57.640 --> 01:59:58.480
 - Thank you.

01:59:59.120 --> 02:00:01.960
 (papers rustling)

02:00:01.960 --> 02:00:14.880
 - Thank you, commissioners.

02:00:14.880 --> 02:00:16.440
 My name is Amy Bissett.

02:00:16.440 --> 02:00:21.760
 109 North Elm, Denton, Texas, 76201.

02:00:21.760 --> 02:00:24.960
 Going to open my presentation now.

02:00:24.960 --> 02:00:27.440
 I wanna start by trying to address a few of the questions

02:00:27.440 --> 02:00:30.800
 that have come up both during the work session

02:00:30.800 --> 02:00:33.800
 and tonight before I begin the formal presentation.

02:00:33.800 --> 02:00:37.320
 So first of all, the question was,

02:00:37.320 --> 02:00:40.920
 is this related to, or is this a homeless shelter?

02:00:40.920 --> 02:00:43.680
 How do you delineate this from being a homeless shelter?

02:00:43.680 --> 02:00:49.800
 This particular development is for transitional housing,

02:00:49.800 --> 02:00:53.280
 which means that the clients or the tenants

02:00:53.280 --> 02:00:55.880
 have to sign a lease when they move in.

02:00:55.880 --> 02:00:58.480
 And they believe that those leases will start

02:00:58.480 --> 02:01:00.120
 at a minimum of three months.

02:01:00.120 --> 02:01:02.080
 That has not been clearly defined yet,

02:01:02.080 --> 02:01:05.040
 but we're not talking about somebody who comes in

02:01:05.040 --> 02:01:07.720
 for one night overnight because it got cold

02:01:07.720 --> 02:01:11.400
 or they needed a place to stay.

02:01:11.400 --> 02:01:13.440
 This is a client who has been engaged

02:01:13.440 --> 02:01:17.040
 by the nonprofit organization to receive help

02:01:17.040 --> 02:01:19.280
 that is more long-term help

02:01:19.280 --> 02:01:23.720
 that they move themselves in, their children in,

02:01:23.720 --> 02:01:28.080
 that is a length of stay that requires them to commit

02:01:28.080 --> 02:01:31.480
 to certain obligations that would prevent it

02:01:31.480 --> 02:01:34.080
 from being just like an overnight homeless shelter.

02:01:34.080 --> 02:01:39.120
 Let me look here at my list of questions.

02:01:39.120 --> 02:01:44.120
 So I wanna say that there was a question related to

02:01:44.120 --> 02:01:50.000
 why is this a PD, what makes this a PD?

02:01:50.000 --> 02:01:55.000
 What I've seen in my role as a development consultant

02:01:55.000 --> 02:01:59.080
 in recent say six months is that there are a lot

02:01:59.080 --> 02:02:01.360
 of new land uses that are coming online

02:02:01.360 --> 02:02:03.000
 that we've never seen before.

02:02:03.000 --> 02:02:05.840
 And most of them have to do with housing, right?

02:02:05.840 --> 02:02:09.520
 Like they have to do with horizontal multifamily uses.

02:02:09.520 --> 02:02:13.160
 They have to do with trying to define a use

02:02:13.160 --> 02:02:16.520
 that a nonprofit organization is trying to create

02:02:16.520 --> 02:02:17.880
 that has never been done before

02:02:17.880 --> 02:02:20.800
 or is not defined by a specific land use.

02:02:20.800 --> 02:02:22.800
 And I've seen this with Grace Like Rain.

02:02:22.800 --> 02:02:26.200
 I've seen it with Denton County Friends of the Family.

02:02:26.200 --> 02:02:29.880
 I've seen it a number of times over the last say year.

02:02:29.880 --> 02:02:31.520
 And this may be the first one

02:02:31.520 --> 02:02:34.400
 that you've seen come to fruition, thankfully.

02:02:34.400 --> 02:02:37.560
 We're starting to see them actually be able to move forward.

02:02:37.560 --> 02:02:42.040
 But this is traditionally with a use like this,

02:02:42.040 --> 02:02:43.720
 you might put it in a classification

02:02:43.720 --> 02:02:45.400
 of a group home or a homeless shelter

02:02:45.400 --> 02:02:47.720
 and those don't really apply here.

02:02:47.720 --> 02:02:48.960
 This is a community.

02:02:48.960 --> 02:02:53.960
 This is a safe place that is intended to raise families

02:02:53.960 --> 02:03:01.120
 and help people move from a place that is at risk

02:03:01.120 --> 02:03:03.160
 to a place that is unstable.

02:03:03.160 --> 02:03:05.600
 And we just haven't seen that

02:03:05.600 --> 02:03:07.640
 in the history of land use before.

02:03:07.640 --> 02:03:12.640
 And so we have to define it as a new land use.

02:03:12.640 --> 02:03:15.480
 I get when you look at the definition

02:03:15.480 --> 02:03:17.840
 of transitional housing that you don't know if it's right

02:03:17.840 --> 02:03:20.720
 or not and I think we can work on that and fix that.

02:03:20.720 --> 02:03:25.520
 And specifically for this PD, it may be one thing

02:03:25.520 --> 02:03:28.440
 and for the next PD, it may be another thing.

02:03:28.440 --> 02:03:32.280
 That's the flexibility of a PD is that we can define it

02:03:32.280 --> 02:03:33.560
 as we need to.

02:03:33.560 --> 02:03:38.560
 So I think we're open to how we actually pin that definition

02:03:38.560 --> 02:03:43.160
 but I think it's important to recognize

02:03:43.160 --> 02:03:46.240
 that we're taking a different approach in society

02:03:46.240 --> 02:03:48.200
 to how we deal with this

02:03:48.200 --> 02:03:51.320
 and how we support our community

02:03:51.320 --> 02:03:53.240
 and provide services to our community.

02:03:53.240 --> 02:03:55.880
 And so I just want to start with that.

02:03:55.880 --> 02:03:59.720
 And before I get started on my actual presentation,

02:03:59.720 --> 02:04:03.400
 I want to acknowledge that I have with me tonight,

02:04:03.400 --> 02:04:04.840
 Michelle Connor, who's the founder

02:04:04.840 --> 02:04:07.480
 and a board member of Grace Like Rain

02:04:07.480 --> 02:04:11.320
 and Leanne Christen, who is the CEO of Grace Like Rain.

02:04:11.320 --> 02:04:13.080
 I also have with me Andrew Cousins,

02:04:13.080 --> 02:04:15.000
 who is with ValleyQuest Design.

02:04:15.000 --> 02:04:18.040
 He's been kind of the lead on this project

02:04:18.040 --> 02:04:21.640
 and happy to be a part of it and happy to be here.

02:04:21.640 --> 02:04:24.720
 This has been way more than a year in the making

02:04:24.720 --> 02:04:26.160
 that we've been involved.

02:04:26.160 --> 02:04:29.520
 Most of us on primarily a volunteer basis.

02:04:29.520 --> 02:04:33.800
 So with that, I'll go ahead and move into my presentation.

02:04:33.800 --> 02:04:41.080
 So with a PD, we have to start with a purpose statement

02:04:41.080 --> 02:04:42.560
 like why are we creating a PD

02:04:42.560 --> 02:04:44.880
 rather than just a general zoning case.

02:04:44.880 --> 02:04:47.720
 And the purpose of this PD is to facilitate

02:04:47.720 --> 02:04:50.760
 a primarily residential development

02:04:50.760 --> 02:04:52.840
 intended to create a sense of place and community

02:04:52.840 --> 02:04:55.480
 for at-risk families who reside

02:04:55.480 --> 02:04:57.760
 and receive support services onsite.

02:04:57.760 --> 02:04:59.920
 The development will provide transitional housing

02:04:59.920 --> 02:05:02.040
 and related services for clients

02:05:02.040 --> 02:05:04.400
 who may be residents residing at this development

02:05:04.400 --> 02:05:07.200
 or non-residents receiving services.

02:05:07.200 --> 02:05:10.400
 And this continuum of care graphic here

02:05:10.400 --> 02:05:12.040
 is provided by Grace like rain.

02:05:12.040 --> 02:05:13.480
 I'm not gonna go through it in detail,

02:05:13.480 --> 02:05:16.120
 but I do want you to know that they are here

02:05:16.120 --> 02:05:19.240
 to answer specific organizational questions

02:05:19.240 --> 02:05:20.200
 if you would like.

02:05:20.200 --> 02:05:24.320
 We are requesting a zoning change

02:05:24.320 --> 02:05:27.360
 just 'cause that's what we're actually here to talk about.

02:05:27.360 --> 02:05:30.600
 The current zoning is R7

02:05:30.600 --> 02:05:32.600
 and we are requesting a PD zoning

02:05:32.600 --> 02:05:36.360
 with a mixed use neighborhood base zoning.

02:05:36.360 --> 02:05:39.520
 Primarily the reason for the PD

02:05:39.520 --> 02:05:42.160
 is that we have to introduce new land uses.

02:05:42.160 --> 02:05:44.480
 There's no way to do that

02:05:44.480 --> 02:05:46.840
 except through a comp plan amendment.

02:05:46.840 --> 02:05:51.320
 But when you have a new evolving land use,

02:05:51.320 --> 02:05:55.240
 this is the best way to get it documented and get going.

02:05:55.240 --> 02:05:57.280
 We're introducing transitional housing,

02:05:57.280 --> 02:05:59.800
 which we will talk about the definition of in a little bit,

02:05:59.800 --> 02:06:02.200
 amenity center and recreational amenities

02:06:02.200 --> 02:06:04.440
 that are specific to the site.

02:06:04.440 --> 02:06:07.440
 So if we define transitional housing today

02:06:07.440 --> 02:06:12.320
 as a part of this PD, it is not defined in the DDC

02:06:12.320 --> 02:06:15.080
 in the future as transitional housing,

02:06:15.080 --> 02:06:18.640
 meaning when Denton County Friends of the Family comes in,

02:06:18.640 --> 02:06:23.080
 they may bring a new land use in as well

02:06:23.080 --> 02:06:25.880
 that is similar but might not be exactly the same.

02:06:25.880 --> 02:06:29.320
 So that's the benefit of a PD

02:06:29.320 --> 02:06:31.760
 is that we have that flexibility.

02:06:31.760 --> 02:06:33.680
 So with our PD standards,

02:06:33.680 --> 02:06:36.760
 which are required as a part of the plan development,

02:06:36.760 --> 02:06:40.200
 we are introducing increased setbacks.

02:06:40.200 --> 02:06:44.680
 In this specific zoning designation,

02:06:44.680 --> 02:06:45.680
 mixed use neighborhood,

02:06:45.680 --> 02:06:49.600
 you would expect buildings to be pulled up to the street.

02:06:49.600 --> 02:06:52.640
 You would want a streetscape

02:06:52.640 --> 02:06:54.720
 where buildings are right up next to the street

02:06:54.720 --> 02:06:57.080
 and you could walk and you could go from apartments

02:06:57.080 --> 02:06:59.000
 to restaurants to schools,

02:06:59.000 --> 02:07:02.120
 and they're all right there right off of the sidewalk.

02:07:02.120 --> 02:07:04.440
 But in this particular case, that's not appropriate.

02:07:04.440 --> 02:07:09.440
 We want to have residents feel safe and secure

02:07:09.440 --> 02:07:12.040
 and a little bit, not necessarily isolated

02:07:12.040 --> 02:07:13.880
 because they're a part of the community,

02:07:13.880 --> 02:07:18.200
 but to feel like they are protected in a little bit,

02:07:18.200 --> 02:07:22.880
 maybe just a little bit screened.

02:07:22.880 --> 02:07:26.040
 So we have increased setbacks,

02:07:26.040 --> 02:07:28.800
 but to accommodate that,

02:07:28.800 --> 02:07:30.800
 we're also introducing a streetscape,

02:07:30.800 --> 02:07:32.720
 which it pulls right up to the sidewalk

02:07:32.720 --> 02:07:37.720
 where you've got a fence that is not a screening fence,

02:07:37.720 --> 02:07:40.400
 but a wrought iron fence with masonry

02:07:40.400 --> 02:07:43.160
 and you've got trees and you've got landscaping

02:07:43.160 --> 02:07:47.680
 so that when you walk from the multifamily next door,

02:07:47.680 --> 02:07:49.480
 that is right up next to the sidewalk,

02:07:49.480 --> 02:07:51.040
 you keep walking and you see something

02:07:51.040 --> 02:07:52.600
 that's pulled right up to the sidewalk

02:07:52.600 --> 02:07:56.080
 and it feels very much the same in terms of a streetscape.

02:07:56.080 --> 02:07:59.480
 We've also spent a lot of time talking about orientation

02:07:59.480 --> 02:08:04.440
 of the buildings or the units so that they all

02:08:04.440 --> 02:08:08.040
 immediately face an amenity or walk out

02:08:08.040 --> 02:08:10.640
 onto a pedestrian sidewalk where they are,

02:08:10.640 --> 02:08:13.320
 we walk out and we are in our community,

02:08:13.320 --> 02:08:14.960
 we're in our neighborhood.

02:08:14.960 --> 02:08:17.080
 Think about walking out your front door

02:08:17.080 --> 02:08:18.880
 and you step out onto a sidewalk

02:08:18.880 --> 02:08:22.200
 and you've got your neighbors directly in front of you,

02:08:22.200 --> 02:08:24.760
 but it's all lawn, like it's not streets,

02:08:24.760 --> 02:08:29.080
 it's not fences, you've got lawn

02:08:29.080 --> 02:08:31.440
 and you've got landscaping and you've got picnic tables

02:08:31.440 --> 02:08:35.440
 and you've got gardens, community gardens

02:08:35.440 --> 02:08:37.200
 and it's all intended to be a place

02:08:37.200 --> 02:08:39.600
 where everybody can interact with each other

02:08:39.600 --> 02:08:43.400
 but feel a little bit protected from the rest of the world.

02:08:43.400 --> 02:08:49.040
 So just in terms of the site data,

02:08:49.040 --> 02:08:53.640
 we are introducing several unit types.

02:08:53.640 --> 02:08:56.760
 We have multi-family, a couple of multi-family buildings

02:08:56.760 --> 02:09:01.320
 that are two-story, small, multi-family buildings

02:09:01.320 --> 02:09:03.680
 and we have a handful of duplex units.

02:09:03.680 --> 02:09:05.480
 Most of what we're proposing on site

02:09:05.480 --> 02:09:07.120
 are single-family units.

02:09:07.120 --> 02:09:12.240
 We've got a mix of two-bedroom, three-bedroom

02:09:12.240 --> 02:09:15.080
 and four-bedroom units, mostly being three-bedroom.

02:09:15.080 --> 02:09:17.480
 I think what you could probably mostly imagine

02:09:17.480 --> 02:09:21.480
 in terms of this project is single moms

02:09:21.480 --> 02:09:25.040
 with multiple children, so you need some bedrooms

02:09:25.040 --> 02:09:29.160
 but you don't necessarily need a lot of parking

02:09:29.160 --> 02:09:31.160
 'cause you're not gonna have four or five cars,

02:09:31.160 --> 02:09:33.960
 you're gonna have maybe one car, maybe two cars.

02:09:33.960 --> 02:09:36.640
 We have 145 residential parking spaces,

02:09:36.640 --> 02:09:41.160
 that's one per bedroom, 46 commercial spaces

02:09:41.160 --> 02:09:44.760
 which means the DDC-based development code

02:09:44.760 --> 02:09:47.240
 and then we have childcare offices

02:09:47.240 --> 02:09:48.800
 and an amenity center on site.

02:09:52.240 --> 02:09:55.480
 We have a number of amenities proposed on site

02:09:55.480 --> 02:09:57.600
 and while I'm showing this amenity plan,

02:09:57.600 --> 02:10:00.000
 I'm gonna try to walk through it very briefly.

02:10:00.000 --> 02:10:04.600
 Number one, here with where my arrow is pointing,

02:10:04.600 --> 02:10:07.440
 we have a multi-use sport court,

02:10:07.440 --> 02:10:10.280
 basketball, volleyball, pickleball.

02:10:10.280 --> 02:10:13.080
 Number two, we have a playground for children.

02:10:13.080 --> 02:10:15.520
 Number three, we have a community garden

02:10:15.520 --> 02:10:17.760
 which has raised beds.

02:10:17.760 --> 02:10:22.720
 Number four, we have an event hall with an event lawn

02:10:22.720 --> 02:10:26.360
 which is nice for residents as well as

02:10:26.360 --> 02:10:31.360
 if Grey Sock Rain wants to host some community events

02:10:31.360 --> 02:10:33.560
 where they introduce the community

02:10:33.560 --> 02:10:35.160
 to the work that they're doing,

02:10:35.160 --> 02:10:37.560
 this is a good place for that.

02:10:37.560 --> 02:10:42.560
 Number five, we have a gazebo which is on a pedestrian path

02:10:42.560 --> 02:10:46.240
 that actually migrates through the floodplain in the area,

02:10:46.240 --> 02:10:49.680
 one of the few places that we can actually

02:10:49.680 --> 02:10:52.040
 potentially encroach the floodplain

02:10:52.040 --> 02:10:54.640
 which I'll talk about in a minute.

02:10:54.640 --> 02:10:57.080
 We have an enhanced entrance at the front

02:10:57.080 --> 02:11:00.440
 and a memorial plaza here

02:11:00.440 --> 02:11:03.240
 which has some pedestrian seating

02:11:03.240 --> 02:11:05.880
 and some other amenities for the residents.

02:11:05.880 --> 02:11:09.920
 As it relates to the landscape plan,

02:11:09.920 --> 02:11:14.920
 we have over, we've gone,

02:11:15.440 --> 02:11:18.680
 we've gone over and beyond what's required.

02:11:18.680 --> 02:11:21.920
 With tree canopy, what's required is 40%.

02:11:21.920 --> 02:11:25.960
 Currently, the plan is providing 60%.

02:11:25.960 --> 02:11:29.040
 Previous coverage required is 20%.

02:11:29.040 --> 02:11:31.080
 We're providing 41%.

02:11:31.080 --> 02:11:35.360
 Tree preservation required by code is 30%

02:11:35.360 --> 02:11:39.360
 and we're providing 53%.

02:11:39.360 --> 02:11:41.760
 And then we've, I spoke previously

02:11:41.760 --> 02:11:44.800
 about the streetscape elements just to bring the project

02:11:44.800 --> 02:11:46.440
 to the front of the development

02:11:46.440 --> 02:11:49.920
 without having to bring the housing

02:11:49.920 --> 02:11:54.920
 and the services to the front of the development.

02:11:54.920 --> 02:11:57.320
 We will be providing some elements there

02:11:57.320 --> 02:12:00.080
 that are not required by base code.

02:12:00.080 --> 02:12:02.120
 And we have been working with the Parks Department

02:12:02.120 --> 02:12:05.640
 to provide a trails connection through the floodplain

02:12:05.640 --> 02:12:09.720
 for residents and citizens alike

02:12:09.720 --> 02:12:14.720
 to be able to access that whole green trail.

02:12:15.200 --> 02:12:16.040
 Option.

02:12:16.040 --> 02:12:21.000
 As conceptual elevations, these are early on

02:12:21.000 --> 02:12:22.920
 but want you to see two bedroom,

02:12:22.920 --> 02:12:25.320
 three bedroom and four bedroom elevations.

02:12:25.320 --> 02:12:29.880
 We're trying here to provide some architectural relief,

02:12:29.880 --> 02:12:33.520
 some usable front porches

02:12:33.520 --> 02:12:38.520
 and some, just a nice variety of architecture here.

02:12:41.400 --> 02:12:45.960
 Here's an example of the non-residential building elevations.

02:12:45.960 --> 02:12:50.360
 And in terms of the phasing plan,

02:12:50.360 --> 02:12:54.040
 the idea in the first phase is to come in off of McKinney

02:12:54.040 --> 02:12:58.640
 and provide the first handful of residential homes

02:12:58.640 --> 02:13:02.800
 as well as the duplex homes, the multifamily homes,

02:13:02.800 --> 02:13:06.560
 the event space and the sports court

02:13:06.560 --> 02:13:08.120
 and the community garden.

02:13:08.120 --> 02:13:09.920
 And then in phase two, come back in

02:13:09.920 --> 02:13:12.080
 with the childcare facility

02:13:12.080 --> 02:13:15.320
 and the second multifamily piece

02:13:15.320 --> 02:13:17.600
 and the first part of the south end

02:13:17.600 --> 02:13:20.240
 of the single family piece.

02:13:20.240 --> 02:13:23.320
 Phase three would be the ministry offices

02:13:23.320 --> 02:13:26.120
 and the last part of the single family piece.

02:13:26.120 --> 02:13:29.320
 And that is all I have.

02:13:29.320 --> 02:13:31.840
 Happy to stay for questions

02:13:31.840 --> 02:13:36.040
 and certainly happy to bring out the operator

02:13:36.040 --> 02:13:39.520
 and nonprofit organization to answer specific questions

02:13:39.520 --> 02:13:41.000
 about their plans.

02:13:41.000 --> 02:13:41.840
 Thank you.

02:13:41.840 --> 02:13:42.680
 - Thanks.

02:13:42.680 --> 02:13:47.160
 - Commissioner Villarreal.

02:13:47.160 --> 02:13:49.760
 - Yeah, did you all look at other developments

02:13:49.760 --> 02:13:51.560
 in different cities to model this after

02:13:51.560 --> 02:13:55.240
 or was this kind of the first of its kind in the area?

02:13:55.240 --> 02:13:56.120
 - That's a great question.

02:13:56.120 --> 02:14:01.120
 So personally, I have looked at how to create this in Denton

02:14:01.120 --> 02:14:09.360
 and have not seen it in other cities before now

02:14:09.360 --> 02:14:11.920
 that doesn't mean that I didn't miss it,

02:14:11.920 --> 02:14:16.480
 but this is kind of a pioneering event

02:14:16.480 --> 02:14:20.960
 about how to treat organizational help like this.

02:14:20.960 --> 02:14:25.880
 So historically, a nonprofit organization

02:14:25.880 --> 02:14:29.080
 that was trying to provide housing

02:14:29.080 --> 02:14:33.440
 or protection for a mom with children

02:14:33.440 --> 02:14:34.760
 would do so in secrecy.

02:14:34.760 --> 02:14:36.760
 Like they wouldn't, you wouldn't know where it was.

02:14:36.760 --> 02:14:39.840
 It would be an undisclosed location.

02:14:39.840 --> 02:14:43.840
 The fact that this is being presented publicly right now,

02:14:43.840 --> 02:14:47.280
 to me presents a transition in how we treat it

02:14:47.280 --> 02:14:49.520
 as a community and a society.

02:14:49.520 --> 02:14:52.760
 It's where we as a community choose to protect it

02:14:52.760 --> 02:14:55.440
 and embrace it rather than hide it

02:14:55.440 --> 02:14:57.440
 so that nobody can find it.

02:14:57.440 --> 02:15:00.760
 Don't know that that directly answers your question, but.

02:15:00.760 --> 02:15:02.720
 - No, I love to see this kind of development.

02:15:02.720 --> 02:15:03.920
 So appreciate the answer.

02:15:03.920 --> 02:15:05.160
 - Absolutely.

02:15:05.160 --> 02:15:06.480
 - Commissioner McDade.

02:15:06.480 --> 02:15:07.680
 - Thank you, Madam Chair.

02:15:07.680 --> 02:15:11.840
 I just want you to walk me through a couple of items

02:15:11.840 --> 02:15:14.480
 and I'm gonna use myself as an example.

02:15:14.480 --> 02:15:18.320
 Let's say I have two children and I come to you.

02:15:18.320 --> 02:15:20.120
 You talk about the affordable housing.

02:15:20.120 --> 02:15:21.960
 I'm trying to get some price range

02:15:21.960 --> 02:15:26.520
 of what you're actually charging for me and my two children.

02:15:26.520 --> 02:15:30.480
 - So I'm gonna let that question defer

02:15:30.480 --> 02:15:33.520
 to the actual nonprofit organization.

02:15:33.520 --> 02:15:36.320
 But do you have another one for me?

02:15:36.320 --> 02:15:41.320
 - No, I'm concerned 'cause I'm there with my children

02:15:41.320 --> 02:15:46.040
 and I have a minimum of three months.

02:15:46.040 --> 02:15:50.240
 But let's say in a year or so they determine

02:15:50.240 --> 02:15:52.760
 that I'm ready to move out into the world.

02:15:52.760 --> 02:15:58.480
 But I'm only paying, let's say $600.

02:15:58.480 --> 02:16:00.840
 And I go through all your classes and all that

02:16:00.840 --> 02:16:03.680
 and I actually have to go out into the real world.

02:16:03.680 --> 02:16:05.080
 I'm not gonna find anything.

02:16:06.880 --> 02:16:11.200
 But me and two children, I'm gonna pay $1,800 minimum,

02:16:11.200 --> 02:16:12.960
 but the two words that don't go together

02:16:12.960 --> 02:16:14.640
 are den and affordable housing.

02:16:14.640 --> 02:16:20.280
 And I just don't want them to have a sense of false hope

02:16:20.280 --> 02:16:22.640
 and they wanna push that into the world.

02:16:22.640 --> 02:16:24.640
 They can't take it and they end up right back

02:16:24.640 --> 02:16:26.600
 where they were, but they can't come back to you

02:16:26.600 --> 02:16:29.240
 because that place has already been rented.

02:16:29.240 --> 02:16:33.040
 So I'm concerned about the false sense of hope

02:16:34.040 --> 02:16:36.360
 that an individual may get when they actually go

02:16:36.360 --> 02:16:38.160
 through the process.

02:16:38.160 --> 02:16:40.000
 - I'm gonna ask Michelle Connor to come up here.

02:16:40.000 --> 02:16:41.600
 She's the founder of the organization.

02:16:41.600 --> 02:16:44.240
 She can answer that question way better than I can.

02:16:44.240 --> 02:16:49.760
 - So I hear your question and I very much respect

02:16:49.760 --> 02:16:52.520
 that question because that really honestly

02:16:52.520 --> 02:16:55.520
 is the heart behind this community.

02:16:55.520 --> 02:16:57.760
 And what we do is we don't want that to happen

02:16:57.760 --> 02:16:59.600
 'cause that's what we see right now

02:16:59.600 --> 02:17:02.520
 is affordable housing is not necessarily affordable.

02:17:02.520 --> 02:17:04.960
 And so what happens is that cycle.

02:17:04.960 --> 02:17:08.520
 They find stability, they're doing well,

02:17:08.520 --> 02:17:11.240
 they go out, they're succeeding on their own

02:17:11.240 --> 02:17:13.880
 and then something happens and so it pushes them right back.

02:17:13.880 --> 02:17:15.000
 So we do not want that.

02:17:15.000 --> 02:17:17.800
 So what our hope is is that the affordable

02:17:17.800 --> 02:17:22.240
 is 550 to 650 a month, which is low, we know that.

02:17:22.240 --> 02:17:26.240
 But while they're paying that 550 to 650 a month,

02:17:26.240 --> 02:17:28.160
 they're participating in the classes,

02:17:28.160 --> 02:17:29.840
 they're participating in case management,

02:17:29.840 --> 02:17:31.720
 they're participating in those things.

02:17:31.720 --> 02:17:35.520
 So we're working with them on saving along the way

02:17:35.520 --> 02:17:38.760
 and maybe doing a jobs training, a job skills class

02:17:38.760 --> 02:17:41.320
 or a college course depending on,

02:17:41.320 --> 02:17:42.760
 they can actually work on the goals

02:17:42.760 --> 02:17:44.960
 that they have in front of them without having to stress

02:17:44.960 --> 02:17:47.480
 over paying $1,200 a month for rent

02:17:47.480 --> 02:17:49.440
 or $1,800 a month for rent.

02:17:49.440 --> 02:17:52.480
 So the hope is that while they're doing that,

02:17:52.480 --> 02:17:55.080
 we're setting them, we're walking alongside them

02:17:55.080 --> 02:17:57.720
 and they're setting themselves up for when they do move,

02:17:57.720 --> 02:17:59.840
 they have a plan, they have a savings base,

02:17:59.840 --> 02:18:02.720
 they have a goal as to what that looks like.

02:18:02.720 --> 02:18:04.560
 - Okay, well, I guess another question.

02:18:04.560 --> 02:18:07.400
 You talked about, you're gonna help them save.

02:18:07.400 --> 02:18:11.080
 In today's society, they would have to save.

02:18:11.080 --> 02:18:13.240
 I mean, if I'm only there for 18 months,

02:18:13.240 --> 02:18:14.920
 I would have to save probably,

02:18:14.920 --> 02:18:18.240
 I would say eight to $10,000 just to be able

02:18:18.240 --> 02:18:21.440
 to move out into a, I'm not gonna say a respectful place,

02:18:21.440 --> 02:18:23.720
 but something that I'm gonna be able to afford

02:18:23.720 --> 02:18:26.840
 for my children and I for another six months.

02:18:28.080 --> 02:18:29.920
 And most of the people who are gonna be there,

02:18:29.920 --> 02:18:33.080
 I mean, sure, you're gonna have the job classes

02:18:33.080 --> 02:18:35.680
 and I don't know what kind of job you're gonna give them,

02:18:35.680 --> 02:18:37.400
 but most of them are unskilled labor,

02:18:37.400 --> 02:18:39.760
 which really doesn't pay that much today.

02:18:39.760 --> 02:18:42.840
 So you're looking at, I mean, I guess I'll go back.

02:18:42.840 --> 02:18:45.840
 My biggest concern is I don't wanna see them pushed out

02:18:45.840 --> 02:18:47.720
 too early, I mean, I love the concept,

02:18:47.720 --> 02:18:51.640
 but I don't wanna see anybody pushed out too early.

02:18:51.640 --> 02:18:53.400
 And when somebody comes there, you know,

02:18:53.400 --> 02:18:55.680
 you have no idea what type of situation,

02:18:55.680 --> 02:18:57.960
 I mean, everybody's gonna be different.

02:18:57.960 --> 02:19:00.000
 But I don't wanna see anybody pushed out

02:19:00.000 --> 02:19:02.440
 and I know, I guess you'll be the one

02:19:02.440 --> 02:19:04.040
 who makes the determination if they're ready.

02:19:04.040 --> 02:19:06.840
 I mean, I could come to you and tell you I'm ready

02:19:06.840 --> 02:19:10.320
 and I may not be, I mean, if y'all are gonna evaluate

02:19:10.320 --> 02:19:11.520
 and then let them know if they're ready

02:19:11.520 --> 02:19:13.960
 and then you're gonna push them out into the world.

02:19:13.960 --> 02:19:17.040
 And I hate to say, but this is a cruel world we live in.

02:19:17.040 --> 02:19:22.840
 And I just don't, I don't wanna see relapses

02:19:22.840 --> 02:19:24.920
 because once I'm gone from you

02:19:26.120 --> 02:19:28.840
 and I can't make it out in the world,

02:19:28.840 --> 02:19:30.040
 I have nowhere else to go.

02:19:30.040 --> 02:19:34.400
 And I'm pretty sure you're gonna have a waiting list

02:19:34.400 --> 02:19:37.000
 that may be years in the making.

02:19:37.000 --> 02:19:38.800
 So it may be another five, six years

02:19:38.800 --> 02:19:41.680
 or I may not even be able to get back to you.

02:19:41.680 --> 02:19:44.160
 I'm not concerned about while they're there,

02:19:44.160 --> 02:19:46.440
 I'm concerned about when they get out.

02:19:46.440 --> 02:19:50.200
 And I'm just really concerned about all the skills

02:19:50.200 --> 02:19:53.640
 and all the classes that you're gonna be able to afford them

02:19:53.640 --> 02:19:56.680
 so they'll be able to actually get out into the real world.

02:19:56.680 --> 02:19:59.280
 - Yes, and I hear that and I respect that.

02:19:59.280 --> 02:20:02.160
 Our hope with having that up to two years

02:20:02.160 --> 02:20:06.360
 or between two to five years, with that provision

02:20:06.360 --> 02:20:09.080
 is that we can give people that extended period of time.

02:20:09.080 --> 02:20:12.120
 And we are hoping to engage, Leanne came up,

02:20:12.120 --> 02:20:14.920
 but to engage in job skills courses.

02:20:14.920 --> 02:20:18.840
 We partner with NCTC, working with some different programs

02:20:18.840 --> 02:20:21.320
 that are in the community so that we are helping them

02:20:21.320 --> 02:20:26.120
 to get the skills that they need to make changes, so.

02:20:26.120 --> 02:20:28.840
 - And Michelle, just before Leanne comes up,

02:20:28.840 --> 02:20:31.320
 for the record, will you give your name and address,

02:20:31.320 --> 02:20:33.680
 please, and for those listening and watching, please?

02:20:33.680 --> 02:20:35.440
 - Yes, my name is Michelle Connor

02:20:35.440 --> 02:20:39.040
 and my address is 733 8th Street in Argyle, Texas.

02:20:39.040 --> 02:20:40.280
 - Thank you very much.

02:20:40.280 --> 02:20:41.120
 Hi, Leanne.

02:20:41.120 --> 02:20:42.680
 - Hello, thank you for having us.

02:20:42.680 --> 02:20:44.040
 We appreciate this opportunity.

02:20:44.040 --> 02:20:45.720
 My name is Leanne Christen.

02:20:45.720 --> 02:20:47.360
 I'm the CEO for Grace Like Rain.

02:20:47.360 --> 02:20:51.160
 I live at 1805 Wicked Court in Argyle, Texas.

02:20:51.160 --> 02:20:55.880
 And just to expand on what Michelle was saying,

02:20:55.880 --> 02:20:59.480
 this organization has been doing this work,

02:20:59.480 --> 02:21:03.160
 case managing them successfully for over five years now.

02:21:03.160 --> 02:21:05.120
 And we don't have that housing

02:21:05.120 --> 02:21:07.320
 for them to transition into right now.

02:21:07.320 --> 02:21:10.960
 So our program is effective, it's proven.

02:21:10.960 --> 02:21:13.040
 It has been proven to be effective

02:21:13.040 --> 02:21:16.960
 without this place for them to land.

02:21:16.960 --> 02:21:20.260
 And we've been utilizing current resources,

02:21:20.260 --> 02:21:25.260
 meaning current environment with the single units,

02:21:25.260 --> 02:21:30.280
 the multifamily units with current rates, fair market rates.

02:21:30.280 --> 02:21:32.320
 So we have been working with the families

02:21:32.320 --> 02:21:37.320
 that go from at risk of being homeless or are, in this case,

02:21:37.320 --> 02:21:40.000
 between the two organizations that are homeless.

02:21:40.000 --> 02:21:42.640
 And we have a number of success stories

02:21:42.640 --> 02:21:45.420
 that prove that this model works

02:21:45.420 --> 02:21:48.100
 and that with this intervention, if you will,

02:21:48.100 --> 02:21:50.200
 or this place for them to land,

02:21:50.200 --> 02:21:54.040
 that only provides them the extra resources

02:21:54.040 --> 02:21:56.240
 and supporting services to ensure

02:21:56.240 --> 02:21:57.680
 that they don't go backwards.

02:21:57.680 --> 02:22:00.740
 That's our entire mission is to break the cycle

02:22:00.740 --> 02:22:04.080
 of those being at risk of homelessness.

02:22:04.080 --> 02:22:06.640
 - Okay, I guess my last question

02:22:06.640 --> 02:22:09.680
 is I saw you had transportation and childcare.

02:22:09.680 --> 02:22:14.120
 Now, I don't know what type of childcare I mean,

02:22:14.120 --> 02:22:16.480
 but most jobs they have multiple shifts

02:22:16.480 --> 02:22:19.880
 and there may be a one in 10 chance

02:22:19.880 --> 02:22:22.680
 that I'll be able to get a daytime job.

02:22:22.680 --> 02:22:26.800
 Are you looking at a 24 hour daycare service?

02:22:26.800 --> 02:22:28.620
 - I'll let Michelle answer that.

02:22:28.620 --> 02:22:32.000
 - We haven't defined exactly what the building,

02:22:32.000 --> 02:22:34.600
 as far as the actual daycare service will be involved

02:22:34.600 --> 02:22:38.120
 or open, what we have used in the past as an organization

02:22:38.120 --> 02:22:41.040
 is creative means to help our family succeed.

02:22:41.040 --> 02:22:43.720
 So we have approved volunteers,

02:22:43.720 --> 02:22:46.040
 hopefully by having and peeing in a community,

02:22:46.040 --> 02:22:49.000
 we may have volunteers that can help monitor,

02:22:49.000 --> 02:22:50.400
 watch kids overnight.

02:22:50.400 --> 02:22:53.200
 So there will be options that we work with families

02:22:53.200 --> 02:22:55.240
 within their schedules,

02:22:55.240 --> 02:22:57.520
 but we wanna take it on an individual basis.

02:22:57.520 --> 02:23:00.920
 I don't wanna keep an entire center open for two children,

02:23:00.920 --> 02:23:03.620
 but we will work with that family

02:23:03.620 --> 02:23:05.200
 based upon their individual needs.

02:23:05.200 --> 02:23:07.320
 That's one of the biggest things of our program

02:23:07.320 --> 02:23:10.960
 is that individualized care that each family gets.

02:23:10.960 --> 02:23:12.480
 - Okay, and the last question,

02:23:12.480 --> 02:23:14.280
 what type of transportation are you?

02:23:14.280 --> 02:23:16.560
 I saw you had transportation.

02:23:16.560 --> 02:23:19.680
 - Transportation, so again, we get creative

02:23:19.680 --> 02:23:22.540
 based upon the individual family's needs.

02:23:22.540 --> 02:23:24.800
 We try to utilize bus routes if possible,

02:23:24.800 --> 02:23:26.680
 but with kids, we know that's really hard,

02:23:26.680 --> 02:23:28.240
 especially getting to childcare and work

02:23:28.240 --> 02:23:30.200
 in all those different places.

02:23:30.200 --> 02:23:35.080
 We utilize now the GoZone, we use that quite a bit.

02:23:35.080 --> 02:23:38.640
 We also have volunteer drivers that might help take someone

02:23:38.640 --> 02:23:41.740
 to a meeting or an appointment or something like that.

02:23:41.740 --> 02:23:43.680
 We have in the past been able to connect people

02:23:43.680 --> 02:23:45.360
 to donated vehicles.

02:23:45.360 --> 02:23:47.720
 There's different means that we can do,

02:23:47.720 --> 02:23:50.640
 and again, it's based on the individual care.

02:23:50.640 --> 02:23:52.160
 If we felt like it was a need

02:23:52.160 --> 02:23:54.000
 once the community is completely full,

02:23:54.000 --> 02:23:56.000
 I think we've talked about even group transportation

02:23:56.000 --> 02:23:58.960
 within the community if we felt like it was a need.

02:23:58.960 --> 02:24:01.880
 - Okay, I gotta say, I love the concept,

02:24:01.880 --> 02:24:03.800
 and I wish you all the best.

02:24:03.800 --> 02:24:05.920
 - Well, thank you. - Thank you.

02:24:05.920 --> 02:24:07.000
 - Commissioner Anderson.

02:24:07.000 --> 02:24:08.520
 - Thanks, Madam Chair.

02:24:08.520 --> 02:24:09.920
 First, I really like the concept.

02:24:09.920 --> 02:24:11.880
 I think it's a neat idea.

02:24:11.880 --> 02:24:14.360
 And I think your product has a place here.

02:24:14.360 --> 02:24:17.960
 I think it will fit the community.

02:24:17.960 --> 02:24:20.720
 But my question, I got a couple of questions,

02:24:20.720 --> 02:24:24.800
 is what did the neighboring homeowners say

02:24:24.800 --> 02:24:26.000
 when y'all said y'all had a little meeting,

02:24:26.000 --> 02:24:28.080
 y'all met, y'all didn't have a neighborhood meeting,

02:24:28.080 --> 02:24:30.340
 but y'all had a meeting with some of the neighbors?

02:24:30.340 --> 02:24:32.880
 I just kinda wondered what they thought.

02:24:32.880 --> 02:24:34.880
 - Amy handled that part.

02:24:34.880 --> 02:24:42.200
 So there's not a lot of actually neighbors immediate.

02:24:42.200 --> 02:24:44.560
 We had multiple conversations

02:24:44.560 --> 02:24:48.160
 with the affordable housing development

02:24:48.160 --> 02:24:50.000
 that's going in next door.

02:24:50.000 --> 02:24:55.000
 And we've mutually agreed to support each other.

02:24:55.000 --> 02:24:58.440
 We think that's a good symbiology.

02:24:58.440 --> 02:25:00.680
 Ryan High School has had no issue with it.

02:25:00.680 --> 02:25:04.640
 Beyond that, there's no directly immediate neighbors

02:25:04.640 --> 02:25:07.620
 that we're aware of, and everybody that was notified,

02:25:07.620 --> 02:25:09.500
 we didn't get any responses from.

02:25:09.500 --> 02:25:13.840
 - Okay, next question, you stated that the product pricing

02:25:13.840 --> 02:25:16.560
 is around 550 to 650 a month.

02:25:16.560 --> 02:25:18.960
 Is that one bedroom, or is that for a two bedroom,

02:25:18.960 --> 02:25:21.780
 three bedroom, or is that based off per room, or?

02:25:21.780 --> 02:25:25.920
 - How many units, sorry.

02:25:25.920 --> 02:25:30.180
 We will probably start at 550 for the two bedroom,

02:25:30.180 --> 02:25:33.760
 and then go up between 25 to $50 from there.

02:25:33.760 --> 02:25:35.740
 We're working on our pricing models

02:25:35.740 --> 02:25:37.180
 versus the sustainability

02:25:37.180 --> 02:25:39.420
 for the self-sustainability of the program.

02:25:39.420 --> 02:25:43.600
 As we speak, and we're at a place that with those rates,

02:25:43.600 --> 02:25:46.040
 we can sustain and get even more,

02:25:46.040 --> 02:25:48.520
 like be at that point sustained.

02:25:48.520 --> 02:25:50.800
 - Well, good, no, I wish you all best luck.

02:25:50.800 --> 02:25:51.640
 - Thank you.

02:25:51.640 --> 02:25:53.080
 - But you might think about this,

02:25:53.080 --> 02:25:55.360
 since there are people that are maybe without jobs

02:25:55.360 --> 02:25:56.580
 that need the help and stuff like this,

02:25:56.580 --> 02:25:58.800
 you might ask one of the wives to sit there

02:25:58.800 --> 02:25:59.880
 and volunteer to work up there,

02:25:59.880 --> 02:26:03.000
 and the childcare thing to take care of some kids

02:26:03.000 --> 02:26:04.720
 to help work off their rents or something like this.

02:26:04.720 --> 02:26:05.600
 Maybe that's an idea.

02:26:05.600 --> 02:26:06.440
 - That's a great idea.

02:26:06.440 --> 02:26:08.400
 Micro-enterprising is part of our,

02:26:08.400 --> 02:26:09.800
 is actually part of our plan

02:26:09.800 --> 02:26:13.560
 to provide employment on site for some of our families.

02:26:13.560 --> 02:26:14.880
 - Well, good, wish you all the best of luck.

02:26:14.880 --> 02:26:15.720
 - Thank you.

02:26:15.720 --> 02:26:18.680
 - That's a great word, micro-enterprising.

02:26:18.680 --> 02:26:20.120
 I love the word, that's great.

02:26:20.120 --> 02:26:23.720
 Quick question, do you have management staff

02:26:23.720 --> 02:26:27.480
 on site living on, I mean, you don't have this concept yet.

02:26:27.480 --> 02:26:30.080
 In your mind, is that the plan?

02:26:30.080 --> 02:26:32.120
 - So in our mind, yes.

02:26:32.120 --> 02:26:34.520
 Well, we'll have facilities management, of course.

02:26:34.520 --> 02:26:37.720
 We'll have staff management there during the day,

02:26:37.720 --> 02:26:39.840
 and we have talked about having

02:26:39.840 --> 02:26:43.360
 missional families or families that live on site

02:26:43.360 --> 02:26:45.920
 that their intentionality is to engage.

02:26:45.920 --> 02:26:47.560
 They may not be participating in the program,

02:26:47.560 --> 02:26:50.180
 but we'd have a few scattered throughout the community

02:26:50.180 --> 02:26:53.040
 that their purpose is to engage

02:26:53.040 --> 02:26:55.400
 in helping the other families on the neighborhood.

02:26:55.400 --> 02:26:57.340
 So take maybe a volunteer family

02:26:57.340 --> 02:26:58.360
 that would be living there.

02:26:58.360 --> 02:27:00.000
 - Understood. - So, okay.

02:27:00.000 --> 02:27:01.960
 - Thank you, Commissioner Pruitt.

02:27:01.960 --> 02:27:03.400
 - Thank you, Chair.

02:27:03.400 --> 02:27:06.280
 I guess this is, this may be somebody else,

02:27:06.280 --> 02:27:07.880
 but about, I heard a few things

02:27:07.880 --> 02:27:09.640
 about transportation and parking.

02:27:09.640 --> 02:27:11.360
 I just wanted to make sure I was understanding this.

02:27:11.360 --> 02:27:14.240
 So it sounds like many of your clients

02:27:14.240 --> 02:27:17.880
 may have fewer than multiple cars per family

02:27:17.880 --> 02:27:19.760
 because of the number of people in these families

02:27:19.760 --> 02:27:22.760
 is suggested to be several units of different size,

02:27:22.760 --> 02:27:24.640
 two, three, four bedrooms,

02:27:24.640 --> 02:27:26.360
 but we're still parking it at a ratio

02:27:26.360 --> 02:27:29.520
 of one parking space per bedroom, is that correct?

02:27:29.520 --> 02:27:32.040
 - Yes, I think, I mean, you could talk about it.

02:27:32.040 --> 02:27:35.080
 Most of our families do not have multiple vehicles.

02:27:35.080 --> 02:27:36.520
 - Right.

02:27:36.520 --> 02:27:38.120
 - Or one vehicle. - Okay.

02:27:38.120 --> 02:27:41.440
 - So when we first designed the site plan,

02:27:41.440 --> 02:27:44.800
 we tried to park it to code for multifamily

02:27:44.800 --> 02:27:49.800
 and the end result was one vehicle per bedroom.

02:27:49.800 --> 02:27:56.520
 So it's probably above what is actually necessary.

02:27:56.520 --> 02:27:59.200
 And we've actually talked about that with the city

02:27:59.200 --> 02:28:02.480
 about in other transitional housing scenarios,

02:28:02.480 --> 02:28:04.440
 that might be too high,

02:28:04.440 --> 02:28:07.400
 but it's defined specifically within this PD

02:28:07.400 --> 02:28:11.600
 so that it could be changed in other scenarios

02:28:11.600 --> 02:28:13.200
 where it might be less.

02:28:13.200 --> 02:28:16.120
 In this specifics instance, it just happens to work

02:28:16.120 --> 02:28:18.320
 where it can be parked that way.

02:28:18.320 --> 02:28:23.320
 So it is one per bedroom today on the residential side,

02:28:23.320 --> 02:28:26.560
 and then it's parked to code on the commercial side.

02:28:26.560 --> 02:28:31.000
 That's probably a little more than is necessary,

02:28:31.000 --> 02:28:32.560
 honestly, in my opinion,

02:28:32.560 --> 02:28:35.120
 but it's just how the math worked out

02:28:35.120 --> 02:28:39.240
 in terms of trying to figure out how to make this work

02:28:39.240 --> 02:28:42.160
 as it relates to the existing development code.

02:28:42.160 --> 02:28:45.720
 - Yeah, so I understand that everything is complicated.

02:28:45.720 --> 02:28:47.360
 I'm not trying to upset the apple cart.

02:28:47.360 --> 02:28:50.720
 I just, just from a fundamental perspective,

02:28:50.720 --> 02:28:55.720
 if ignoring the fact that the riparian areas, et cetera,

02:28:55.720 --> 02:28:59.960
 kind of make it so that you're not having to give up

02:28:59.960 --> 02:29:02.520
 as much land to provide the parking,

02:29:02.520 --> 02:29:06.280
 if you didn't have to construct as much parking,

02:29:06.280 --> 02:29:07.680
 would that reduce the cost

02:29:07.680 --> 02:29:09.800
 and therefore allow these organizations

02:29:09.800 --> 02:29:11.320
 to serve more families in general?

02:29:11.320 --> 02:29:13.200
 - Absolutely, I think, I mean,

02:29:13.200 --> 02:29:14.480
 you would reduce the parking,

02:29:14.480 --> 02:29:16.960
 but you would add number of units in the future

02:29:16.960 --> 02:29:21.120
 that would increase the cost overall.

02:29:21.120 --> 02:29:25.160
 But we were able to meet the goals of the nonprofit

02:29:25.160 --> 02:29:29.040
 in terms of the number of families they wanted to serve

02:29:29.040 --> 02:29:32.720
 based on the site demographics or the site characteristics

02:29:32.720 --> 02:29:35.160
 and make it work with that parking count.

02:29:35.160 --> 02:29:42.320
 - Sure, I just wanted to follow up on that item.

02:29:42.320 --> 02:29:44.960
 Excuse me, the way that the PD has written

02:29:44.960 --> 02:29:48.640
 is that the only change to the parking requirements

02:29:48.640 --> 02:29:52.440
 is related to adding the parking for transitional housing.

02:29:52.440 --> 02:29:54.800
 They're actually still complying with the DDC,

02:29:54.800 --> 02:29:56.400
 which would allow parking alternatives

02:29:56.400 --> 02:29:58.120
 to reduce that parking.

02:29:58.120 --> 02:30:00.520
 So there is some flexibility in the code

02:30:00.520 --> 02:30:03.040
 that would allow them to then reduce that parking

02:30:03.040 --> 02:30:05.560
 to have less on the site.

02:30:05.560 --> 02:30:07.400
 So just wanna make that clarification.

02:30:07.400 --> 02:30:08.560
 - Thanks, Greta.

02:30:08.560 --> 02:30:09.400
 - Commissioner Smith.

02:30:09.400 --> 02:30:11.000
 - Thank you, Chair.

02:30:11.000 --> 02:30:15.360
 On the definition piece, would it be, as the applicant,

02:30:15.360 --> 02:30:17.520
 would you guys be okay with us scratching out

02:30:17.520 --> 02:30:19.560
 defined by case management participation in the program

02:30:19.560 --> 02:30:22.040
 and putting down said traditional housing operator

02:30:22.040 --> 02:30:24.560
 or property owner or property operator?

02:30:24.560 --> 02:30:26.680
 Is that feasible?

02:30:26.680 --> 02:30:27.640
 - I would think so.

02:30:27.640 --> 02:30:30.520
 You're the property operator today.

02:30:30.520 --> 02:30:31.360
 - Wouldn't be necessarily the owner.

02:30:31.360 --> 02:30:34.200
 - So you would be able to determine

02:30:34.200 --> 02:30:37.240
 the amount of time defined.

02:30:37.240 --> 02:30:40.160
 And if it left your hands, it wouldn't matter

02:30:40.160 --> 02:30:42.960
 if it went to somebody else, what their timeframe was.

02:30:42.960 --> 02:30:44.280
 Are you good with that?

02:30:44.280 --> 02:30:45.120
 Yes.

02:30:45.120 --> 02:30:48.920
 - So defined by, within 24 months or a period longer,

02:30:48.920 --> 02:30:52.160
 defined by the property operator.

02:30:52.160 --> 02:30:53.560
 - Yes, we're fine with that.

02:30:58.200 --> 02:31:00.200
 - I'm not sure I like that better than case management.

02:31:00.200 --> 02:31:06.200
 Can I ask why you don't like case management?

02:31:06.200 --> 02:31:09.040
 'Cause this is a collective effort, obviously.

02:31:09.040 --> 02:31:11.680
 We're trying to, we're doing a lot for these people

02:31:11.680 --> 02:31:12.520
 who are transitioning.

02:31:12.520 --> 02:31:14.960
 There's a lot going on, so there's a lot.

02:31:14.960 --> 02:31:16.760
 - It references, it's referencing something

02:31:16.760 --> 02:31:21.760
 that seems extremely specific to whenever,

02:31:21.760 --> 02:31:23.480
 this definition should be a little more general

02:31:23.480 --> 02:31:25.120
 within the way that it's being done.

02:31:25.120 --> 02:31:27.520
 This definition should be a little more general within the way

02:31:27.520 --> 02:31:30.520
 that it's built and calling it by the case management

02:31:30.520 --> 02:31:33.000
 participation in the program.

02:31:33.000 --> 02:31:35.920
 It seems like it's pointing way too specific to something

02:31:35.920 --> 02:31:38.600
 that if it's just, it says the exact same thing

02:31:38.600 --> 02:31:39.920
 but in more general terms.

02:31:39.920 --> 02:31:41.880
 So it doesn't fall out a lot with the definition.

02:31:41.880 --> 02:31:44.480
 - So my only concern with it, and I'll certainly let

02:31:44.480 --> 02:31:49.040
 one of you speak to this, but my concern with that

02:31:49.040 --> 02:31:51.840
 would be there's probably multiple entities

02:31:51.840 --> 02:31:55.320
 of a case management team, I would think.

02:31:55.320 --> 02:31:57.400
 It's not going to be just you all

02:31:57.400 --> 02:31:58.840
 or whoever's operating the property

02:31:58.840 --> 02:32:01.120
 making a decision on someone's ability

02:32:01.120 --> 02:32:06.120
 to transition out of this type of housing.

02:32:06.120 --> 02:32:10.200
 So what if the property owner decides, yep, I want them out,

02:32:10.200 --> 02:32:12.840
 and there's several people in the case management

02:32:12.840 --> 02:32:15.400
 who are like, they're not ready to do that?

02:32:15.400 --> 02:32:17.480
 That would be my concern with it.

02:32:17.480 --> 02:32:20.520
 - That's why it's defined as the property operator,

02:32:20.520 --> 02:32:21.360
 not the owner.

02:32:22.360 --> 02:32:23.520
 That's why I said the operator,

02:32:23.520 --> 02:32:26.400
 the person who's actually running the property there.

02:32:26.400 --> 02:32:28.240
 - Yeah, Michelle, if you could come on.

02:32:28.240 --> 02:32:30.320
 I would just like your professional opinion

02:32:30.320 --> 02:32:34.120
 on my concern and trying to understand

02:32:34.120 --> 02:32:35.720
 why we want to do that.

02:32:35.720 --> 02:32:38.520
 - I think I can understand why you're saying

02:32:38.520 --> 02:32:40.600
 case management program 'cause that is specific

02:32:40.600 --> 02:32:43.200
 and everybody defines case management differently,

02:32:43.200 --> 02:32:45.640
 but I understand what you're saying too.

02:32:45.640 --> 02:32:49.320
 So give me a minute, wrapping my brain around it.

02:32:49.320 --> 02:32:54.320
 Well, you had case management in there to begin with, so.

02:32:54.320 --> 02:33:01.000
 - Can we just get clarification on the concern regarding,

02:33:01.000 --> 02:33:04.000
 so as I understand it, you're trying to make

02:33:04.000 --> 02:33:09.000
 a broader definition for future concerns beyond us.

02:33:09.000 --> 02:33:10.080
 - Sure, that, I mean.

02:33:10.080 --> 02:33:15.080
 - And so this definition is in place forever, right?

02:33:16.920 --> 02:33:21.400
 - Yeah, without a PD amendment, correct, yeah, forever.

02:33:21.400 --> 02:33:26.320
 - And so with that understanding, if we were all to move on,

02:33:26.320 --> 02:33:31.320
 and this is in place, we obviously can't guarantee

02:33:31.320 --> 02:33:36.320
 that it'll remain transitional housing, is that correct?

02:33:36.320 --> 02:33:40.120
 - Or it could be bought by one organization,

02:33:40.120 --> 02:33:43.200
 but then as RAN is basically operated by a nonprofit

02:33:43.200 --> 02:33:45.480
 that the organization owns the property,

02:33:45.480 --> 02:33:47.520
 not the nonprofit, but the nonprofit is in there

02:33:47.520 --> 02:33:50.800
 and operating within there so that there's some separation,

02:33:50.800 --> 02:33:53.240
 but then, okay, who's actually the one in charge

02:33:53.240 --> 02:33:54.520
 of this, the case management operation?

02:33:54.520 --> 02:33:55.360
 - Can you do and/or?

02:33:55.360 --> 02:33:56.200
 - Say it again.

02:33:56.200 --> 02:33:57.640
 - Can you do and/or?

02:33:57.640 --> 02:33:58.480
 - I mean, sure.

02:33:58.480 --> 02:33:59.400
 - Case management and--

02:33:59.400 --> 02:34:01.560
 - So, okay, if I could just interrupt,

02:34:01.560 --> 02:34:04.400
 I'm really, I'm struggling here with,

02:34:04.400 --> 02:34:08.360
 the reason for a PD is to highlight and be specific

02:34:08.360 --> 02:34:11.160
 of what the use of the property is going to be.

02:34:11.160 --> 02:34:15.200
 And I feel like if somebody else wanted to come in

02:34:15.200 --> 02:34:18.360
 and change the use of what this PD is,

02:34:18.360 --> 02:34:20.960
 we have a mechanism in the city to come and do that,

02:34:20.960 --> 02:34:23.360
 and that's by either a PD amendment

02:34:23.360 --> 02:34:25.800
 or rezoning of the property at that point.

02:34:25.800 --> 02:34:30.160
 So to me, you know, I hear what you're saying,

02:34:30.160 --> 02:34:31.880
 I don't agree with what you're saying

02:34:31.880 --> 02:34:34.920
 because I feel like it's rewriting the definition

02:34:34.920 --> 02:34:39.200
 that is before us in this request,

02:34:39.200 --> 02:34:43.000
 and I don't like trying to define something

02:34:43.000 --> 02:34:45.560
 that might happen in the future with the request

02:34:45.560 --> 02:34:47.400
 that's before us, I'm sorry, Hillary.

02:34:47.400 --> 02:34:51.840
 - If I could just pipe in from a drafting perspective,

02:34:51.840 --> 02:34:53.960
 I think, Commissioner, you're concerned with the inclusion

02:34:53.960 --> 02:34:57.720
 of what appears to be a defined term in the definition

02:34:57.720 --> 02:35:00.200
 that is not separately defined.

02:35:00.200 --> 02:35:02.280
 So perhaps we could express the same idea

02:35:02.280 --> 02:35:06.760
 by saying something like defined by the case management

02:35:06.760 --> 02:35:11.760
 or defined by the support services provider team,

02:35:12.800 --> 02:35:17.200
 rather than referencing a term of art that isn't defined.

02:35:17.200 --> 02:35:20.680
 - Yeah, that's exactly the point that I'm trying to make

02:35:20.680 --> 02:35:22.880
 is that it's, we're referencing something specific

02:35:22.880 --> 02:35:24.480
 that's not defined elsewhere in the definition,

02:35:24.480 --> 02:35:27.640
 and so, yeah, if it's case management,

02:35:27.640 --> 02:35:30.320
 case management, you said processor,

02:35:30.320 --> 02:35:32.680
 or the project management team.

02:35:32.680 --> 02:35:36.920
 We can give a recess if we want to, I guess, to.

02:35:36.920 --> 02:35:39.560
 - May I speak?

02:35:39.560 --> 02:35:42.160
 I think the issue with property operator

02:35:42.160 --> 02:35:44.760
 is that it could be a property owner

02:35:44.760 --> 02:35:47.760
 that is not associated with the program management

02:35:47.760 --> 02:35:49.520
 if they've leased it to the program.

02:35:49.520 --> 02:35:53.680
 So I agree with that delineation

02:35:53.680 --> 02:35:56.360
 that we need to maybe try to refine that definition

02:35:56.360 --> 02:36:00.960
 a little bit more so that we know 20 years from now,

02:36:00.960 --> 02:36:03.600
 whether it's somebody who's leasing the property

02:36:03.600 --> 02:36:05.440
 or somebody who's operating a nonprofit

02:36:05.440 --> 02:36:06.600
 who's leasing the property,

02:36:06.600 --> 02:36:10.120
 like who's in charge of that decision, so.

02:36:12.880 --> 02:36:16.880
 - Okay, this is still a public hearing.

02:36:16.880 --> 02:36:18.840
 I don't see any more questions at the moment.

02:36:18.840 --> 02:36:20.440
 Ladies, thank you.

02:36:20.440 --> 02:36:22.840
 Is there anyone in the audience wishing to speak?

02:36:22.840 --> 02:36:25.440
 I don't have any cards at this moment in front of me,

02:36:25.440 --> 02:36:27.840
 but you are welcome to speak on this item.

02:36:27.840 --> 02:36:33.440
 Staff, do we have any callers on this item?

02:36:33.440 --> 02:36:37.480
 - We do not have any callers.

02:36:37.480 --> 02:36:38.400
 - Thank you.

02:36:38.400 --> 02:36:41.760
 With that, I will go ahead and close the public hearing,

02:36:41.760 --> 02:36:44.920
 and then open the floor at this time

02:36:44.920 --> 02:36:50.040
 for a motion or discussion.

02:36:50.040 --> 02:36:55.640
 Commissioner Anderson.

02:36:55.640 --> 02:37:01.840
 - I'd like to make a motion to approve this PD.

02:37:01.840 --> 02:37:09.200
 - Okay, approving the way staff has presented?

02:37:09.200 --> 02:37:11.440
 - Well, apparently there's new verbiage,

02:37:11.440 --> 02:37:12.520
 so I'll do a friendly. - I'll do a friendly.

02:37:12.520 --> 02:37:13.360
 - Dan, would you read the verbiage?

02:37:13.360 --> 02:37:14.200
 - I'll do a friendly.

02:37:14.200 --> 02:37:16.280
 - Okay.

02:37:16.280 --> 02:37:18.280
 Do you wanna hold off your motion?

02:37:18.280 --> 02:37:19.280
 What is your motion?

02:37:19.280 --> 02:37:25.160
 - I would like to hear what the verbiage says, then, first.

02:37:25.160 --> 02:37:27.040
 - So you're withdrawing your motion

02:37:27.040 --> 02:37:28.440
 on the floor at the moment?

02:37:28.440 --> 02:37:29.260
 - Sure.

02:37:29.260 --> 02:37:30.280
 - Okay.

02:37:30.280 --> 02:37:32.040
 Commissioner Smith.

02:37:32.040 --> 02:37:35.440
 - Make a motion to approve with the definition as stated

02:37:35.440 --> 02:37:38.720
 within 24 months or a longer period

02:37:38.720 --> 02:37:42.880
 defined by program participation and support services team.

02:37:42.880 --> 02:37:49.000
 And then a striking of the non-profit organization

02:37:49.000 --> 02:37:52.320
 as the only operator or owner of the property.

02:37:52.320 --> 02:37:56.120
 - Okay, can you read that one more time?

02:37:56.120 --> 02:37:57.720
 - Sure.

02:37:57.720 --> 02:38:00.960
 Make a motion to approve as presented with changes

02:38:00.960 --> 02:38:04.120
 to removing the verbiage operated

02:38:04.120 --> 02:38:05.920
 by a non-profit organization,

02:38:05.920 --> 02:38:08.720
 and then a change in the transitional housing definition,

02:38:08.720 --> 02:38:11.840
 changing the wording to within 24 months

02:38:11.840 --> 02:38:14.960
 or a longer period defined by program participation

02:38:14.960 --> 02:38:16.320
 and support services team.

02:38:16.320 --> 02:38:20.880
 - Commissioner Anderson.

02:38:20.880 --> 02:38:21.960
 - Second.

02:38:21.960 --> 02:38:24.080
 - Okay, we've got a first and a second

02:38:24.080 --> 02:38:27.000
 for approval of the request with the amended verbiage

02:38:27.000 --> 02:38:28.840
 that was read by Commissioner Smith.

02:38:28.840 --> 02:38:31.240
 Discussion?

02:38:34.000 --> 02:38:36.080
 Commissioner Smith, do you have more or you're,

02:38:36.080 --> 02:38:38.240
 no, okay, Commissioner Perrett.

02:38:38.240 --> 02:38:39.720
 - Thank you, Chair.

02:38:39.720 --> 02:38:43.200
 Just briefly, I'd like to be clear

02:38:43.200 --> 02:38:46.320
 on some of the directions that I've done.

02:38:46.320 --> 02:38:50.280
 I'm glad to see this moving forward.

02:38:50.280 --> 02:38:52.320
 It's been too long since we've had this.

02:38:52.320 --> 02:38:53.760
 We had this need for a long time,

02:38:53.760 --> 02:38:56.400
 so thank you for all the care and design

02:38:56.400 --> 02:38:57.400
 that's gone into it.

02:38:57.400 --> 02:39:03.720
 With respect, I think I've heard many different opinions

02:39:03.840 --> 02:39:08.720
 and uses of PD amendments or PD zoning districts

02:39:08.720 --> 02:39:09.560
 over the years.

02:39:09.560 --> 02:39:15.480
 Sometimes it's a PD for a residential development

02:39:15.480 --> 02:39:18.320
 that is very much based on the base zoning

02:39:18.320 --> 02:39:20.720
 with some small tweaks and all the uses

02:39:20.720 --> 02:39:22.840
 that would go in that base zoning are allowed.

02:39:22.840 --> 02:39:27.840
 Other times it's something where for practicality reasons,

02:39:27.840 --> 02:39:33.560
 there is a narrowing of uses in order to ensure

02:39:33.560 --> 02:39:38.560
 that potential harms to nearby neighborhoods

02:39:38.560 --> 02:39:41.880
 would not occur in the future, and I understand that.

02:39:41.880 --> 02:39:45.000
 And in this case, it seems to be that the real need

02:39:45.000 --> 02:39:47.040
 for the PD, which I completely understand,

02:39:47.040 --> 02:39:50.440
 is to define this new use since it's not in the DDC.

02:39:50.440 --> 02:39:55.960
 My concern really is that if we get in the habit

02:39:55.960 --> 02:39:59.320
 of defining our PDs so narrowly

02:39:59.320 --> 02:40:02.840
 that any modification of use in the future

02:40:02.840 --> 02:40:05.760
 requires a dual public hearing and somebody

02:40:05.760 --> 02:40:07.600
 with enough bankroll to go through

02:40:07.600 --> 02:40:11.960
 the zoning change process, it strikes me

02:40:11.960 --> 02:40:15.000
 as something that could hamper the adaptability

02:40:15.000 --> 02:40:16.440
 of Denton in the future.

02:40:16.440 --> 02:40:19.360
 As we look to our south, to our larger neighbors,

02:40:19.360 --> 02:40:22.400
 there are cities that have hundreds if not thousands

02:40:22.400 --> 02:40:24.440
 of planned development districts,

02:40:24.440 --> 02:40:26.000
 and it's just pulling your hair out

02:40:26.000 --> 02:40:29.320
 to figure out what's going on and what is allowed where.

02:40:29.320 --> 02:40:32.040
 So I've said my piece, thank you,

02:40:32.040 --> 02:40:34.480
 and I'm very glad to see this coming forward.

02:40:34.480 --> 02:40:37.520
 - Well, and I might say maybe there's a future discussion

02:40:37.520 --> 02:40:40.360
 that you need to bring up at another part of the meeting.

02:40:40.360 --> 02:40:44.120
 Before we go to a vote, I just wanna say thank you

02:40:44.120 --> 02:40:47.080
 for being patient and answering our questions.

02:40:47.080 --> 02:40:49.720
 None of it was meant to not be excited

02:40:49.720 --> 02:40:51.640
 for all the work that you're doing

02:40:51.640 --> 02:40:56.640
 and the obvious need for a development such as this.

02:40:56.640 --> 02:40:59.240
 We're just here to ask questions

02:40:59.240 --> 02:41:00.880
 and make the best recommendation possible

02:41:00.880 --> 02:41:04.080
 that we can possibly make to further this onto Council.

02:41:04.080 --> 02:41:05.320
 So thank you for being patient

02:41:05.320 --> 02:41:07.440
 and answering the questions for us.

02:41:07.440 --> 02:41:10.200
 No further discussion?

02:41:10.200 --> 02:41:12.600
 Okay, let's call for a vote on the board, please.

02:41:12.600 --> 02:41:27.520
 It was Commissioner Smith and Commissioner Anderson

02:41:27.520 --> 02:41:29.440
 who were the motioners.

02:41:29.440 --> 02:41:31.080
 We're just, there we go, thank you.

02:41:31.080 --> 02:41:36.840
 That motion carries seven, zero.

02:41:36.840 --> 02:41:42.560
 Okay, with that, I will move us

02:41:42.560 --> 02:41:45.560
 to our next public hearing item for CZ210018.

02:41:45.560 --> 02:41:52.440
 We'll call up Karina for presentation

02:41:52.440 --> 02:41:53.840
 and open the public hearing.

02:42:00.440 --> 02:42:01.280
 All right.

02:42:01.280 --> 02:42:06.640
 All right, thank you, Chair and Commission.

02:42:06.640 --> 02:42:11.640
 The next request is for a rezoning CZ210018 Home Depot.

02:42:11.640 --> 02:42:14.920
 You'll have to excuse me,

02:42:14.920 --> 02:42:17.520
 my allergies are just nonstop coughing.

02:42:17.520 --> 02:42:24.680
 So the request today is to amend the landscape plan

02:42:24.680 --> 02:42:27.760
 within Appendix D of Exhibit D

02:42:27.760 --> 02:42:30.680
 of the, or for the Marketplace District.

02:42:30.680 --> 02:42:33.600
 This is located within the Razor Ranch Overlay District.

02:42:33.600 --> 02:42:36.840
 As mentioned in the work session,

02:42:36.840 --> 02:42:38.320
 just a reminder for everyone,

02:42:38.320 --> 02:42:42.720
 the Razor Ranch Overlay District has two major campuses.

02:42:42.720 --> 02:42:45.200
 North of West University Drive

02:42:45.200 --> 02:42:48.240
 is the Marketplace District, or North Campus,

02:42:48.240 --> 02:42:50.920
 and on the south side is the South Campus,

02:42:50.920 --> 02:42:53.360
 which has several sub-areas.

02:42:53.360 --> 02:42:55.560
 But we're focused on the Marketplace today.

02:42:57.120 --> 02:42:59.360
 So just a description of the subject site.

02:42:59.360 --> 02:43:03.240
 It's highlighted in red on this map,

02:43:03.240 --> 02:43:04.840
 but just to let you know,

02:43:04.840 --> 02:43:08.200
 within the Marketplace, there are a few sub-areas.

02:43:08.200 --> 02:43:09.760
 This particular site is located

02:43:09.760 --> 02:43:14.360
 in the RR3 sub-area of the Marketplace.

02:43:14.360 --> 02:43:17.320
 So as it relates to the amendment to the landscape plan,

02:43:17.320 --> 02:43:23.280
 this amendment is specific to Lot 11

02:43:23.280 --> 02:43:24.800
 of the Razor Ranch North Edition.

02:43:24.800 --> 02:43:29.160
 So this is the westernmost property within Marketplace.

02:43:29.160 --> 02:43:31.520
 So within the RR3 sub-area,

02:43:31.520 --> 02:43:36.120
 any development is required to follow the ordinances

02:43:36.120 --> 02:43:38.120
 tied to the Razor Ranch Overlay.

02:43:38.120 --> 02:43:40.200
 So any development on this property

02:43:40.200 --> 02:43:42.600
 would need to comply with Exhibit C,

02:43:42.600 --> 02:43:44.240
 architectural standards.

02:43:44.240 --> 02:43:47.080
 Exhibit D, which is the landscape standards,

02:43:47.080 --> 02:43:50.480
 as well as an approved landscape plan

02:43:50.480 --> 02:43:52.600
 that covers the entire Marketplace,

02:43:52.600 --> 02:43:55.880
 as well as Exhibit C, which is the sign standards

02:43:55.880 --> 02:43:57.560
 for this area.

02:43:57.560 --> 02:44:00.280
 So again, any new development on this property

02:44:00.280 --> 02:44:03.200
 would have to comply with those previously approved

02:44:03.200 --> 02:44:04.040
 design standards,

02:44:04.040 --> 02:44:07.320
 as well as that previously approved landscape plan.

02:44:07.320 --> 02:44:10.440
 So this is the current landscape plan,

02:44:10.440 --> 02:44:12.280
 as shown on the screen.

02:44:12.280 --> 02:44:14.760
 So we're not focused on the remaining area.

02:44:14.760 --> 02:44:17.840
 The amendment is specific to Lot 11,

02:44:17.840 --> 02:44:19.240
 which is highlighted in red.

02:44:21.680 --> 02:44:25.560
 So the request is to amend, again, that specific lot

02:44:25.560 --> 02:44:28.040
 to facilitate the development

02:44:28.040 --> 02:44:31.720
 of a home improvement store on this property.

02:44:31.720 --> 02:44:35.040
 So what is not happening today is there is no change

02:44:35.040 --> 02:44:37.600
 in the existing landscape design standards,

02:44:37.600 --> 02:44:41.400
 and there's no change to the approved use for the property.

02:44:41.400 --> 02:44:46.080
 And what is being proposed is an amendment to that lot

02:44:46.080 --> 02:44:48.680
 within the approved landscape plan.

02:44:48.680 --> 02:44:51.080
 So there are three key things to look at

02:44:51.080 --> 02:44:52.640
 within these changes.

02:44:52.640 --> 02:44:55.760
 First is that the amendment to the landscape plan

02:44:55.760 --> 02:45:00.040
 is to address parking changes,

02:45:00.040 --> 02:45:02.240
 reconfiguring parking aisles and spaces

02:45:02.240 --> 02:45:04.760
 to meet the proposed use.

02:45:04.760 --> 02:45:08.760
 So the square footage and all of that jazz has not changed,

02:45:08.760 --> 02:45:10.800
 but they are reconfiguring the aisles

02:45:10.800 --> 02:45:12.960
 and internal circulation.

02:45:12.960 --> 02:45:17.560
 And because of that, the approved plan would need to have,

02:45:17.560 --> 02:45:21.800
 or would not be in compliance with the landscape plantings

02:45:21.800 --> 02:45:24.480
 as shown, so they would need to reconfigure the site

02:45:24.480 --> 02:45:27.680
 to show revised locations of plantings

02:45:27.680 --> 02:45:29.400
 and revised plant materials.

02:45:29.400 --> 02:45:33.120
 So that is the first item, and that is shown in purple.

02:45:33.120 --> 02:45:39.320
 The second change is related to the proposed future plans

02:45:39.320 --> 02:45:44.760
 to subdivide the lot or create out parcels.

02:45:44.760 --> 02:45:48.960
 And so in order to facilitate that,

02:45:48.960 --> 02:45:50.720
 they have shown the future out parcels,

02:45:50.720 --> 02:45:53.160
 but removed the landscaping.

02:45:53.160 --> 02:45:57.360
 The reason for that is to allow those sites when developed

02:45:57.360 --> 02:46:00.840
 to follow the existing landscape standards

02:46:00.840 --> 02:46:03.400
 without being restricted to specific placements

02:46:03.400 --> 02:46:05.120
 and planting materials.

02:46:05.120 --> 02:46:08.000
 So that's the second change related to this plan.

02:46:08.000 --> 02:46:11.200
 The third is related to an increase

02:46:11.200 --> 02:46:13.400
 in the proposed Northern detention area.

02:46:13.400 --> 02:46:16.160
 So that's the area shown in orange.

02:46:16.160 --> 02:46:19.080
 So currently the site has two detention areas,

02:46:19.080 --> 02:46:21.480
 one on the North site and one on the West

02:46:21.480 --> 02:46:24.840
 where the future lot 11B is.

02:46:24.840 --> 02:46:29.280
 So they're proposing to remove that detention

02:46:29.280 --> 02:46:32.760
 for future development, and in order to do so,

02:46:32.760 --> 02:46:34.400
 would increase the Northern detention

02:46:34.400 --> 02:46:35.880
 to support the entire site.

02:46:35.880 --> 02:46:39.360
 So those are the three changes related to the site.

02:46:39.360 --> 02:46:43.400
 Overall, there's no change in the proposed canopy

02:46:43.400 --> 02:46:44.240
 for the area.

02:46:44.240 --> 02:46:45.080
 They would still need to comply

02:46:45.080 --> 02:46:47.440
 with the previously approved plan,

02:46:47.440 --> 02:46:49.000
 and the remaining lots would need

02:46:49.000 --> 02:46:51.400
 to make up any remaining canopy.

02:46:51.400 --> 02:46:54.400
 So again, that was a previously approved landscape plan

02:46:54.400 --> 02:46:57.040
 that had mitigation tied to it.

02:46:57.040 --> 02:46:59.440
 So they're still in conformance with that plan.

02:46:59.440 --> 02:47:03.600
 The razor range overlay district does not have a criteria

02:47:03.600 --> 02:47:05.920
 for approval for rezoning.

02:47:05.920 --> 02:47:08.960
 So staff has provided some considerations

02:47:08.960 --> 02:47:10.640
 with the request.

02:47:10.640 --> 02:47:13.400
 First, that the proposed amendments are consistent

02:47:13.400 --> 02:47:16.080
 with the permitted use of the home improvement store

02:47:16.080 --> 02:47:19.240
 and parking and landscape guidelines that exist today.

02:47:19.240 --> 02:47:21.720
 Second, the removal of plantings on the plan

02:47:21.720 --> 02:47:24.360
 for those future lots that are proposed

02:47:24.360 --> 02:47:28.280
 does provide the flexibility needed in design

02:47:28.280 --> 02:47:31.920
 so that the long-term site meets those,

02:47:31.920 --> 02:47:36.160
 in long-term, the site would still need to comply

02:47:36.160 --> 02:47:39.880
 with the landscape guidelines and exhibits.

02:47:39.880 --> 02:47:42.240
 Third, the total tree canopy, as mentioned,

02:47:42.240 --> 02:47:43.800
 required by the previous plan,

02:47:43.800 --> 02:47:46.080
 is still applicable to the entire lot.

02:47:46.080 --> 02:47:50.640
 So that responsibility is still shared on the property,

02:47:50.640 --> 02:47:54.680
 even if it were to subdivide or have other development.

02:47:54.680 --> 02:47:57.240
 Last, that the revised plan accounts

02:47:57.240 --> 02:48:00.360
 for the potential need for increased detention

02:48:00.360 --> 02:48:03.360
 for those future developments in parking.

02:48:03.360 --> 02:48:06.200
 So if it is determined to be infeasible

02:48:06.200 --> 02:48:09.520
 due to the I-35 widening,

02:48:09.520 --> 02:48:12.440
 or if the secondary detention is no longer required

02:48:12.440 --> 02:48:16.880
 or is still required, the approved site plan

02:48:16.880 --> 02:48:20.120
 would still be subject to the existing standards

02:48:20.120 --> 02:48:21.960
 in the razor range overlay.

02:48:21.960 --> 02:48:24.160
 One thing I will add as part of this

02:48:24.160 --> 02:48:28.000
 is that the approval of the amendment to the landscape plan

02:48:28.000 --> 02:48:31.840
 does not constitute approval of a site plan for the site.

02:48:31.840 --> 02:48:33.280
 They would still be required to go through

02:48:33.280 --> 02:48:35.480
 the zoning compliance plan process,

02:48:35.480 --> 02:48:38.400
 civil engineering plan process, and planning process.

02:48:38.400 --> 02:48:40.560
 So just wanna make that one clarification.

02:48:40.560 --> 02:48:45.640
 Public notices were issued for this site,

02:48:45.640 --> 02:48:47.880
 as it is a rezoning case.

02:48:47.880 --> 02:48:49.400
 We did not receive any responses

02:48:49.400 --> 02:48:52.160
 related to the request as of today.

02:48:52.160 --> 02:48:55.800
 The applicant did hold one virtual meeting on March 14th,

02:48:55.800 --> 02:48:58.200
 however, there were none in attendance.

02:48:59.520 --> 02:49:02.640
 So with that, staff recommends approval of the request.

02:49:02.640 --> 02:49:05.880
 If approved today, the next step would be city council

02:49:05.880 --> 02:49:08.200
 public hearing on April 13th.

02:49:08.200 --> 02:49:10.640
 And with that, I can take any questions.

02:49:10.640 --> 02:49:11.480
 - Thanks, Corina.

02:49:11.480 --> 02:49:14.160
 Any questions for Corina?

02:49:14.160 --> 02:49:17.640
 Thank you.

02:49:17.640 --> 02:49:21.640
 I don't have any cards with requests to speak,

02:49:21.640 --> 02:49:22.880
 but this is a public hearing

02:49:22.880 --> 02:49:25.920
 if anyone would like to speak on this item.

02:49:29.840 --> 02:49:30.680
 - Hello, commissioners.

02:49:30.680 --> 02:49:32.480
 My name is Alejandro Baca.

02:49:32.480 --> 02:49:33.400
 Do you need my address?

02:49:33.400 --> 02:49:34.240
 - Yes, please.

02:49:34.240 --> 02:49:35.960
 - Okay, I've been working from home the last two years,

02:49:35.960 --> 02:49:38.000
 so I'll give you my home address, that's okay.

02:49:38.000 --> 02:49:41.400
 7 Valley Road, Stanhope, New Jersey, 07-874.

02:49:41.400 --> 02:49:43.240
 - Thank you.

02:49:43.240 --> 02:49:45.440
 - Just wanted to say, Home Depot is really excited

02:49:45.440 --> 02:49:47.360
 to have a second location in Denton,

02:49:47.360 --> 02:49:49.200
 and we're looking forward to working with all of you.

02:49:49.200 --> 02:49:51.560
 And if you have any questions, I'm here.

02:49:51.560 --> 02:49:53.720
 - Okay, you said it was second location, yeah?

02:49:53.720 --> 02:49:54.560
 - Yes.

02:49:54.560 --> 02:49:55.400
 - Okay, so you are leaving the other one.

02:49:55.400 --> 02:49:57.720
 - That's right. - Awesome, thank you.

02:49:57.720 --> 02:49:58.560
 Any questions?

02:50:00.520 --> 02:50:01.720
 - Do you not see any?

02:50:01.720 --> 02:50:03.000
 Oh, Commissioner Cole.

02:50:03.000 --> 02:50:06.760
 - So does this mean I don't have to drive

02:50:06.760 --> 02:50:08.520
 to the loop anymore?

02:50:08.520 --> 02:50:10.480
 I'm off 380, so this is great.

02:50:10.480 --> 02:50:13.060
 (all laughing)

02:50:13.060 --> 02:50:16.440
 - Thank you.

02:50:16.440 --> 02:50:18.880
 Staff, is there anyone on the phone

02:50:18.880 --> 02:50:20.320
 wishing to speak on this item?

02:50:20.320 --> 02:50:27.280
 - No, there is no one on the phone.

02:50:27.280 --> 02:50:29.280
 - Thank you very much.

02:50:29.280 --> 02:50:31.760
 With that, I will close the public hearing

02:50:31.760 --> 02:50:34.240
 and entertain discussion or a motion.

02:50:34.240 --> 02:50:35.360
 Commissioner Pruitt.

02:50:35.360 --> 02:50:36.880
 - Thank you, Chair.

02:50:36.880 --> 02:50:39.160
 Just one question, perhaps, for the applicant

02:50:39.160 --> 02:50:41.080
 and maybe staff.

02:50:41.080 --> 02:50:47.360
 In the interest of being similar with other proposals

02:50:47.360 --> 02:50:49.280
 that come in next to TxDOT Roadways,

02:50:49.280 --> 02:50:52.840
 I would just, I'd like to understand what the schedule is

02:50:52.840 --> 02:50:57.680
 for the buildout and completion of this

02:50:57.680 --> 02:51:00.200
 compared to the TxDOT projects

02:51:00.200 --> 02:51:03.240
 that are ongoing on 35E in this area.

02:51:03.240 --> 02:51:07.400
 If we know that.

02:51:07.400 --> 02:51:09.240
 - We're still in the conversations.

02:51:09.240 --> 02:51:11.160
 It's still going back and forth,

02:51:11.160 --> 02:51:14.120
 but we believe that TxDOT is supposed to start next year

02:51:14.120 --> 02:51:15.360
 with some of the work.

02:51:15.360 --> 02:51:18.840
 And then there's also a ramp relocation

02:51:18.840 --> 02:51:20.920
 that's gonna happen the year after.

02:51:20.920 --> 02:51:23.720
 So by 2024, hopefully, or 2025,

02:51:23.720 --> 02:51:24.960
 that work will be completed.

02:51:24.960 --> 02:51:27.080
 Our story's supposed to open.

02:51:27.080 --> 02:51:30.600
 Right now, we have it in October 2023, next year.

02:51:30.600 --> 02:51:33.440
 - Thank you.

02:51:33.440 --> 02:51:37.080
 - Just to confirm,

02:51:37.080 --> 02:51:40.360
 we did have meetings on this earlier this morning.

02:51:40.360 --> 02:51:43.240
 So the schedule for the TxDOT widening,

02:51:43.240 --> 02:51:46.640
 TxDOT is currently in the appraisal process,

02:51:46.640 --> 02:51:50.920
 acquiring the right-of-way along that portion of I-35.

02:51:50.920 --> 02:51:54.960
 So there's still significant ways away.

02:51:54.960 --> 02:51:59.760
 The estimated timeframe is 2025.

02:51:59.760 --> 02:52:01.000
 So the development,

02:52:01.000 --> 02:52:04.080
 or this development would likely come in before,

02:52:04.080 --> 02:52:05.720
 but that's part of the development process

02:52:05.720 --> 02:52:08.840
 is to determine, through the development process,

02:52:08.840 --> 02:52:10.040
 how it's being impacted.

02:52:10.040 --> 02:52:13.040
 So just wanna briefly keep it on topic

02:52:13.040 --> 02:52:16.860
 is that this won't affect the actual amendment today.

02:52:16.860 --> 02:52:19.320
 - Commissioner Anderson.

02:52:19.320 --> 02:52:21.040
 - Thanks, Chair.

02:52:21.040 --> 02:52:23.600
 First, hopefully, we're gonna say thank you

02:52:23.600 --> 02:52:26.080
 and welcome the second office here,

02:52:26.080 --> 02:52:27.280
 and the second location here in Denton,

02:52:27.280 --> 02:52:29.080
 because it's gonna be much closer for me as well.

02:52:29.080 --> 02:52:32.080
 But basically, you're gonna be facing,

02:52:32.080 --> 02:52:34.000
 I mean, not facing 35,

02:52:34.000 --> 02:52:36.080
 but you're gonna be off of 35

02:52:36.080 --> 02:52:38.160
 once the highway's widened and stuff like this.

02:52:38.160 --> 02:52:40.120
 I guess there's gonna be a retention pond out there

02:52:40.120 --> 02:52:42.680
 at the entrance on the west side of the property,

02:52:42.680 --> 02:52:43.520
 is that correct?

02:52:43.520 --> 02:52:45.040
 No?

02:52:45.040 --> 02:52:46.640
 - No, the detention pond's gonna be moved

02:52:46.640 --> 02:52:48.240
 to the rear of the building.

02:52:48.240 --> 02:52:50.900
 - Okay, then I don't have a question.

02:52:50.900 --> 02:52:52.240
 (laughing)

02:52:52.240 --> 02:52:54.720
 - Just to clarify, one of the changes

02:52:54.720 --> 02:52:56.000
 as part of the landscape plan

02:52:56.000 --> 02:52:59.660
 is to actually remove that secondary detention off of 535

02:52:59.660 --> 02:53:02.200
 and increase the size of the northern detention

02:53:02.200 --> 02:53:03.040
 to offset it.

02:53:03.040 --> 02:53:09.240
 - Commissioner Pruitt, you're still on the board.

02:53:09.240 --> 02:53:10.400
 Did you have a question?

02:53:10.400 --> 02:53:11.220
 Okay.

02:53:11.220 --> 02:53:14.360
 Commissioner Villarreal.

02:53:14.360 --> 02:53:17.240
 - I move approval of the agenda item as written.

02:53:17.240 --> 02:53:18.320
 - Commissioner Anderson.

02:53:18.320 --> 02:53:19.400
 - I second the motion.

02:53:19.400 --> 02:53:22.240
 - Okay, we've got a first, a second for approval

02:53:22.240 --> 02:53:23.080
 of this item.

02:53:23.080 --> 02:53:24.020
 Any discussion?

02:53:24.020 --> 02:53:27.680
 Okay, let's vote on the board, please.

02:53:27.680 --> 02:53:29.720
 - Thank you.

02:53:29.720 --> 02:53:34.160
 - That motion carries seven, zero.

02:53:34.160 --> 02:53:39.600
 All right, that moves us to our final public hearing item

02:53:39.600 --> 02:53:44.600
 of the evening, 4D, which is Z22-0001.

02:53:44.600 --> 02:53:48.000
 I'll invite Lisa Hayne up for presentation

02:53:48.000 --> 02:53:49.340
 and open the public hearing.

02:53:49.400 --> 02:53:52.320
 (clearing throat)

02:53:52.320 --> 02:54:00.960
 - Okay, good evening.

02:54:00.960 --> 02:54:04.460
 Lisa Payne, principal planner for the city of Denton.

02:54:04.460 --> 02:54:08.960
 This is for a rezoning for a property on Mosh Branch Road.

02:54:08.960 --> 02:54:11.880
 And this property is two acres.

02:54:11.880 --> 02:54:14.520
 It's currently residential, rural, RR.

02:54:14.520 --> 02:54:17.720
 They would like to go to residential one, R1.

02:54:18.760 --> 02:54:20.880
 The subject property was originally part

02:54:20.880 --> 02:54:24.800
 of a 16-acre tract but was divided from the larger tract

02:54:24.800 --> 02:54:27.760
 prior to being annexed by the city.

02:54:27.760 --> 02:54:30.880
 The property is non-conforming with the RR zoning

02:54:30.880 --> 02:54:33.920
 since it does not meet the minimum lot size of five acres.

02:54:33.920 --> 02:54:36.200
 This property is generally located

02:54:36.200 --> 02:54:38.320
 on the east side of Mosh Branch,

02:54:38.320 --> 02:54:40.000
 which is a primary arterial,

02:54:40.000 --> 02:54:45.000
 and it's approximately 2,175 feet south of FM 1173.

02:54:45.000 --> 02:54:46.800
 It's currently vacant

02:54:46.800 --> 02:54:49.320
 and does not appear to ever be developed.

02:54:49.320 --> 02:54:51.800
 And it is also surrounded by RR

02:54:51.800 --> 02:54:54.560
 to the north, east, and south.

02:54:54.560 --> 02:54:59.560
 And to the west is the city of Crum and a subdivision.

02:54:59.560 --> 02:55:05.080
 As for criteria for approval,

02:55:05.080 --> 02:55:08.900
 which is found in sub-chapter two of our DDC,

02:55:08.900 --> 02:55:09.840
 there's two sections.

02:55:09.840 --> 02:55:12.700
 There's the criteria for all applications,

02:55:12.700 --> 02:55:15.520
 and then also there's zoning criteria.

02:55:15.520 --> 02:55:19.280
 I bolded and underlined some of the points

02:55:19.280 --> 02:55:20.920
 that I'm gonna talk on real fast.

02:55:20.920 --> 02:55:26.200
 For being consistent with the comprehensive plan,

02:55:26.200 --> 02:55:27.960
 the R1 zoning is not consistent

02:55:27.960 --> 02:55:31.320
 with the Denton 2040 comprehensive plan

02:55:31.320 --> 02:55:33.560
 as the subject property's future land use

02:55:33.560 --> 02:55:35.920
 has been changed to light industrial.

02:55:35.920 --> 02:55:38.800
 However, the application was filed prior

02:55:38.800 --> 02:55:41.800
 to the 2040 plan's adoption last night,

02:55:41.800 --> 02:55:43.480
 so it was reviewed in accordance

02:55:43.480 --> 02:55:46.200
 and is consistent with the 2030 plan,

02:55:46.200 --> 02:55:49.540
 which designated the property as rural areas.

02:55:49.540 --> 02:55:51.660
 To answer a couple of questions

02:55:51.660 --> 02:55:54.040
 that came from the work session,

02:55:54.040 --> 02:55:57.000
 the applicant was not previously aware

02:55:57.000 --> 02:56:01.440
 of the change in future land use to light industrial.

02:56:01.440 --> 02:56:02.540
 However, the zoning map,

02:56:02.540 --> 02:56:05.140
 which is mostly residential in the area,

02:56:05.140 --> 02:56:07.760
 drives the use of the property.

02:56:07.760 --> 02:56:09.520
 Any rezoning that's to be done

02:56:09.520 --> 02:56:12.960
 has to come through PNZ and council.

02:56:13.840 --> 02:56:17.360
 For your consideration, if it's gonna go to industrial.

02:56:17.360 --> 02:56:20.720
 And then I was asked about buffers

02:56:20.720 --> 02:56:25.040
 between industrial and single family.

02:56:25.040 --> 02:56:29.400
 When an industrial use develops adjacent to single family,

02:56:29.400 --> 02:56:30.800
 the industrial use is required

02:56:30.800 --> 02:56:33.080
 to provide a 30-foot landscape buffer

02:56:33.080 --> 02:56:36.700
 and achieve 50 landscape buffer points.

02:56:36.700 --> 02:56:38.760
 That can be achieved with a screening wall,

02:56:38.760 --> 02:56:41.960
 trees, shrubs, pretty much all of it.

02:56:41.960 --> 02:56:44.760
 50 points is a lot in our code,

02:56:44.760 --> 02:56:46.400
 so they have to do a lot.

02:56:46.400 --> 02:56:47.680
 In addition, if the property

02:56:47.680 --> 02:56:50.000
 is also zoned heavy industrial,

02:56:50.000 --> 02:56:52.640
 there is a minimum setback of 200 feet

02:56:52.640 --> 02:56:54.640
 from a residential property.

02:56:54.640 --> 02:57:01.000
 Moving on to point four, the compliance with the DDC.

02:57:01.000 --> 02:57:02.240
 They are going to have well water

02:57:02.240 --> 02:57:04.180
 and septic system to this property.

02:57:04.180 --> 02:57:10.440
 And that requires a lot size of two acres minimum,

02:57:10.440 --> 02:57:11.840
 according to the DDC.

02:57:11.840 --> 02:57:15.400
 Therefore, they cannot be subdivided further.

02:57:15.400 --> 02:57:18.160
 So two acres will be the minimum size that this will be

02:57:18.160 --> 02:57:21.800
 as the closest water and wastewater

02:57:21.800 --> 02:57:24.760
 are 1,000 feet and 8,000 feet respectively.

02:57:24.760 --> 02:57:29.880
 R1 zoning is more restrictive than RR zoning.

02:57:29.880 --> 02:57:33.640
 So rezoning this does not expect to create

02:57:33.640 --> 02:57:36.500
 any adverse impacts on the surrounding properties.

02:57:36.500 --> 02:57:38.920
 And moving on to the zoning criteria

02:57:39.960 --> 02:57:42.680
 for significant changes.

02:57:42.680 --> 02:57:45.840
 The subject property was annexed in 2010

02:57:45.840 --> 02:57:48.360
 with the placeholder zoning of RD5X,

02:57:48.360 --> 02:57:53.060
 which transitioned to RR with the adoption of the 2019 DDC.

02:57:53.060 --> 02:57:55.400
 The proposed R1 zoning will allow the property

02:57:55.400 --> 02:57:57.380
 to be platted and developed,

02:57:57.380 --> 02:58:00.240
 while the current RR zoning does not allow

02:58:00.240 --> 02:58:03.800
 for development of a lot that's smaller than five acres,

02:58:03.800 --> 02:58:05.640
 which deems this property unusable.

02:58:08.720 --> 02:58:11.800
 As for, excuse me, as for public outreach,

02:58:11.800 --> 02:58:14.200
 newspaper posting went out on March 6th,

02:58:14.200 --> 02:58:18.640
 website was March 4th, and the sign went out on March 12th.

02:58:18.640 --> 02:58:22.960
 The mail notices included public notices

02:58:22.960 --> 02:58:26.920
 that went to three addresses within 200 feet.

02:58:26.920 --> 02:58:31.080
 And then three addresses that were within 500 feet

02:58:31.080 --> 02:58:34.160
 where people actually have a utility address.

02:58:34.160 --> 02:58:38.540
 We did have two responses that were both in favor.

02:58:38.540 --> 02:58:39.920
 It was from the two properties

02:58:39.920 --> 02:58:42.480
 that are directly south of this property.

02:58:42.480 --> 02:58:45.080
 Neighborhood meeting was not held

02:58:45.080 --> 02:58:47.660
 due to the low number of neighbors,

02:58:47.660 --> 02:58:50.700
 but the applicant did contact his neighbors directly.

02:58:50.700 --> 02:58:56.080
 Staff recommends approval as the rezoning

02:58:56.080 --> 02:58:58.280
 complies with the criteria in the DDC,

02:58:58.280 --> 02:59:00.260
 and I'm available for questions.

02:59:00.260 --> 02:59:01.300
 - Thanks, Lisa.

02:59:01.300 --> 02:59:02.740
 Commissioner Cole.

02:59:02.740 --> 02:59:03.860
 - Thank you, Chair.

02:59:03.860 --> 02:59:08.200
 So let's say five years from now,

02:59:08.200 --> 02:59:12.060
 let's say the future under the 2040 plan.

02:59:12.060 --> 02:59:16.420
 Say I have 50 acres.

02:59:16.420 --> 02:59:21.220
 That is RR, but now it's LI.

02:59:21.220 --> 02:59:24.860
 And my two kids wanna live on that 50 acres.

02:59:24.860 --> 02:59:29.400
 So what do they gotta do?

02:59:29.400 --> 02:59:32.720
 I mean, I know I went through my diatribe

02:59:32.720 --> 02:59:35.120
 and work session on this,

02:59:35.120 --> 02:59:38.620
 but what's the procedure then?

02:59:38.620 --> 02:59:41.160
 Do they have to go and, you know,

02:59:41.160 --> 02:59:44.720
 their family land they've had for 70 years

02:59:44.720 --> 02:59:45.920
 that they wanna live on,

02:59:45.920 --> 02:59:50.280
 but now it's not RR anymore, R1, it's LI.

02:59:50.280 --> 02:59:52.480
 So what additional hurdles

02:59:52.480 --> 02:59:53.960
 are they gonna have to go through?

02:59:53.960 --> 02:59:55.760
 - So it does get a little confusing

02:59:55.760 --> 02:59:58.660
 because Light Industrial is one of our zoning districts,

02:59:58.660 --> 03:00:02.520
 but it's also the name of this future land use

03:00:02.520 --> 03:00:03.800
 for this property.

03:00:03.800 --> 03:00:06.280
 So all of these properties in the area

03:00:06.280 --> 03:00:10.000
 are still zoned RR or R1,

03:00:10.000 --> 03:00:11.920
 something like that around there,

03:00:11.920 --> 03:00:14.240
 but their future land use as of last night

03:00:14.240 --> 03:00:15.760
 has become Light Industrial.

03:00:15.760 --> 03:00:20.160
 So, but still that property that's zoned RR,

03:00:20.160 --> 03:00:22.320
 that it's gonna have to get a rezone

03:00:22.320 --> 03:00:24.360
 if an industrial use wants to come in.

03:00:24.360 --> 03:00:26.460
 The industrial user is gonna have to say,

03:00:26.460 --> 03:00:29.500
 come before y'all and ask permission

03:00:29.500 --> 03:00:31.760
 in order to be able to build industrial.

03:00:31.760 --> 03:00:35.240
 That use, that property can be used for residential

03:00:35.240 --> 03:00:37.160
 until that's rezoned.

03:00:37.160 --> 03:00:42.720
 - Okay, but once it is rezoned and they wanna get, I mean,

03:00:42.720 --> 03:00:48.680
 you know, there are people, you know,

03:00:48.680 --> 03:00:50.640
 they're growing hay there.

03:00:50.640 --> 03:00:51.880
 I mean, we're one of them.

03:00:51.880 --> 03:00:56.200
 I mean, and then you're coming in with this Light Industrial.

03:00:56.200 --> 03:01:00.160
 I'm just worried, you know,

03:01:00.160 --> 03:01:03.680
 well, I'm not gonna waste any more time on this,

03:01:03.680 --> 03:01:08.540
 but I made my feelings clear about this in work session.

03:01:08.540 --> 03:01:10.440
 I appreciate it. - I understand your feelings.

03:01:10.440 --> 03:01:12.720
 The property owners have the ability to, of course,

03:01:12.720 --> 03:01:14.960
 never sell to somebody for another use,

03:01:14.960 --> 03:01:16.160
 or if they choose to,

03:01:16.160 --> 03:01:18.760
 then they can sell to an industrial user

03:01:18.760 --> 03:01:21.880
 and move on and industrial use can go up.

03:01:21.880 --> 03:01:24.240
 - Well, if the zoning is changed.

03:01:24.240 --> 03:01:25.400
 - If you'll choose to approve the zoning, of course.

03:01:25.400 --> 03:01:26.240
 - Yeah.

03:01:26.240 --> 03:01:29.920
 - Okay, Commissioner Peruot.

03:01:29.920 --> 03:01:30.880
 - Thank you, Chair.

03:01:30.880 --> 03:01:34.040
 Just for clarification on the buffering requirements,

03:01:34.040 --> 03:01:37.960
 that's to the use independent of what zoning district it is

03:01:37.960 --> 03:01:42.040
 if it's a residential use that buffering applies, correct?

03:01:42.040 --> 03:01:43.360
 - It's to the residential,

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 if it's a residential district, so.

03:01:46.240 --> 03:01:50.000
 - Okay, of which RRR plus R01 and other R districts are.

03:01:50.000 --> 03:01:54.640
 - Yeah, so if an industrial use goes in next to,

03:01:54.640 --> 03:01:56.440
 if for a landscape buffer, I'm sorry,

03:01:56.440 --> 03:01:57.560
 let me restate that.

03:01:57.560 --> 03:02:02.560
 If a industrial use goes in next to a residential use,

03:02:02.560 --> 03:02:06.880
 then there is a 50-foot or a 50-point requirement

03:02:06.880 --> 03:02:07.720
 with a 30-foot buffer.

03:02:07.720 --> 03:02:09.600
 - As well as the 200-foot, if it's--

03:02:09.600 --> 03:02:12.160
 - Yes, if it's, and that's when it changes a little bit

03:02:12.160 --> 03:02:13.520
 from use to zoning.

03:02:13.520 --> 03:02:17.120
 If the property that goes in as industrial

03:02:17.120 --> 03:02:19.760
 is zoned to heavy industrial,

03:02:19.760 --> 03:02:22.520
 then if it is adjacent to a property that is also,

03:02:22.520 --> 03:02:24.880
 that is zoned residential,

03:02:24.880 --> 03:02:28.000
 then there is a 200-foot minimum buffer,

03:02:28.000 --> 03:02:29.800
 or minimum setback. - Again, for any of the districts

03:02:29.800 --> 03:02:31.560
 that are classified as residential?

03:02:31.560 --> 03:02:32.480
 - Yes. - Okay.

03:02:32.480 --> 03:02:36.640
 And are those setback requirements

03:02:36.640 --> 03:02:39.000
 to the property line or to the building?

03:02:39.000 --> 03:02:41.840
 - From the property line to the building.

03:02:41.840 --> 03:02:44.480
 So an industrial building has to be 200 feet

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 away from its own property line.

03:02:45.840 --> 03:02:46.840
 - Got it, thank you.

03:02:46.840 --> 03:02:53.120
 Yeah, I mean, I'm sensitive to the challenges

03:02:53.880 --> 03:02:54.920
 in our periphery.

03:02:54.920 --> 03:02:59.920
 You know, I almost feel like,

03:02:59.920 --> 03:03:01.840
 we've seen several of these, right?

03:03:01.840 --> 03:03:03.600
 And the ones that kinda come in

03:03:03.600 --> 03:03:08.280
 where it's already a one-acre, R1 kind of street,

03:03:08.280 --> 03:03:09.960
 makes sense.

03:03:09.960 --> 03:03:13.920
 This one is, all the surrounding properties are R, right?

03:03:13.920 --> 03:03:19.520
 At the same time, I understand that we,

03:03:19.520 --> 03:03:23.680
 we have a requirement of five acres or more

03:03:23.680 --> 03:03:25.520
 for RR for a very specific reason,

03:03:25.520 --> 03:03:28.240
 and that's to make sure that land zoned RR

03:03:28.240 --> 03:03:29.960
 doesn't get subdivided to small lots,

03:03:29.960 --> 03:03:31.400
 and all of a sudden we have this subdivision

03:03:31.400 --> 03:03:32.800
 that we weren't planning for.

03:03:32.800 --> 03:03:36.560
 So it feels to me,

03:03:36.560 --> 03:03:39.000
 and there's probably a good reason why this wouldn't work,

03:03:39.000 --> 03:03:42.640
 but it feels to me like perhaps the right resolution

03:03:42.640 --> 03:03:47.640
 to challenges like this are to allow single-family uses

03:03:47.640 --> 03:03:53.400
 in RR lots smaller than five acres with an SUP or something.

03:03:54.520 --> 03:03:56.640
 But I don't wanna tease it.

03:03:56.640 --> 03:03:57.840
 - Yeah, and if I could just interject,

03:03:57.840 --> 03:04:00.120
 a lot of these transition to RR,

03:04:00.120 --> 03:04:03.240
 which is why they don't really conform for development.

03:04:03.240 --> 03:04:05.000
 So it's not that they're being subdivided,

03:04:05.000 --> 03:04:07.360
 it's just they didn't have a zoning

03:04:07.360 --> 03:04:08.360
 because they were annexed

03:04:08.360 --> 03:04:10.240
 and they had that placeholder zoning,

03:04:10.240 --> 03:04:14.600
 and with the new code, they just transitioned to RR,

03:04:14.600 --> 03:04:17.520
 which didn't make sense, I'll agree,

03:04:17.520 --> 03:04:18.840
 but that's why we're here today

03:04:18.840 --> 03:04:20.680
 doing these types of things.

03:04:20.680 --> 03:04:22.120
 - No, I completely understand.

03:04:22.120 --> 03:04:24.520
 I just envision many more of these happening

03:04:24.520 --> 03:04:27.080
 in our periphery, especially in the range

03:04:27.080 --> 03:04:28.280
 of two to five acres,

03:04:28.280 --> 03:04:31.240
 because that's where you can start to use well and septic.

03:04:31.240 --> 03:04:35.560
 - Any other discussion?

03:04:35.560 --> 03:04:45.280
 Seeing none, floor is open for discussion, a motion.

03:04:45.280 --> 03:04:49.320
 No, it's not, because I didn't close the public hearing.

03:04:49.320 --> 03:04:50.520
 Let me do that.

03:04:50.520 --> 03:04:53.720
 Is there anyone here who would like to speak on this item?

03:04:53.720 --> 03:04:58.600
 Okay, and I do not have any cards.

03:04:58.600 --> 03:05:00.640
 Staff, anyone on the phone for this item?

03:05:00.640 --> 03:05:07.240
 - No, we don't have anyone on the phone.

03:05:07.240 --> 03:05:08.800
 - Thank you very much.

03:05:08.800 --> 03:05:11.080
 All right, with that, I will close the public hearing,

03:05:11.080 --> 03:05:13.960
 and now I will open the floor for further discussion

03:05:13.960 --> 03:05:15.600
 or motion, Commissioner Smith.

03:05:15.600 --> 03:05:17.000
 - Make a motion to approve.

03:05:17.000 --> 03:05:19.600
 - Commissioner Anderson.

03:05:19.600 --> 03:05:20.440
 - I second the motion.

03:05:20.440 --> 03:05:23.520
 - We've got a first and a second for approval of this item.

03:05:23.520 --> 03:05:26.080
 Any more discussion?

03:05:26.080 --> 03:05:29.400
 Okay, let's vote on the board, please.

03:05:29.400 --> 03:05:37.320
 That motion carries six, one.

03:05:37.320 --> 03:05:43.040
 That will move us to our Planning

03:05:43.040 --> 03:05:45.960
 and Zoning Commission Project Matrix.

03:05:45.960 --> 03:05:49.560
 I will go ahead and turn that over, I think, to Haley.

03:05:51.440 --> 03:05:54.280
 So just to give you all updates from City Council.

03:05:54.280 --> 03:05:57.560
 Of course, we did have three public hearings last night

03:05:57.560 --> 03:05:59.640
 for the Comp Plan, Mobility Plan,

03:05:59.640 --> 03:06:01.680
 and the ESA Trail Code Amendment,

03:06:01.680 --> 03:06:03.240
 all of which passed unanimously.

03:06:03.240 --> 03:06:08.240
 So that was a very successful evening for us last night.

03:06:08.240 --> 03:06:11.240
 With respect to the matrix,

03:06:11.240 --> 03:06:13.720
 I did want to give a couple of updates.

03:06:13.720 --> 03:06:15.440
 There are two items that have been hanging out on here

03:06:15.440 --> 03:06:18.000
 for a while, the Fiscal Analysis Tool

03:06:18.000 --> 03:06:20.640
 and the Opt-In Notification System.

03:06:20.640 --> 03:06:21.800
 And I wanted to let you all know

03:06:21.800 --> 03:06:24.360
 that we do have those scheduled for work sessions

03:06:24.360 --> 03:06:25.400
 with City Council in May,

03:06:25.400 --> 03:06:27.040
 so we'll be bringing those to you all in April

03:06:27.040 --> 03:06:28.280
 for work session discussions.

03:06:28.280 --> 03:06:29.120
 - Great.

03:06:29.120 --> 03:06:33.080
 Okay, Commissioner Cole.

03:06:33.080 --> 03:06:38.000
 Do you have something for the matrix?

03:06:38.000 --> 03:06:41.040
 - I did, and I just went blank.

03:06:41.040 --> 03:06:43.280
 (laughing)

03:06:43.280 --> 03:06:47.760
 Boy, it left me.

03:06:48.520 --> 03:06:52.240
 It was, oh yes, yes, yes.

03:06:52.240 --> 03:06:57.560
 So there's a House bill coming up,

03:06:57.560 --> 03:06:59.580
 and I can't remember the number,

03:06:59.580 --> 03:07:02.960
 but for the next legislative session,

03:07:02.960 --> 03:07:06.480
 and it has to do with de-annexation.

03:07:06.480 --> 03:07:14.740
 I'd like to know how that's gonna affect our future growth,

03:07:14.740 --> 03:07:16.180
 our development plan,

03:07:17.300 --> 03:07:22.300
 and what we can do to mitigate that.

03:07:22.300 --> 03:07:27.680
 So the verbiage of it is, if we're not supplying,

03:07:27.680 --> 03:07:30.340
 the city is not supplying infrastructure

03:07:30.340 --> 03:07:32.480
 to an area of town that is annexed,

03:07:32.480 --> 03:07:36.500
 they will be able to de-annex, basically.

03:07:36.500 --> 03:07:38.540
 So it seems to me that would cause,

03:07:38.540 --> 03:07:41.740
 kind of be a chaotic situation.

03:07:41.740 --> 03:07:45.240
 And I know it's a hypothetical for the past or not,

03:07:45.240 --> 03:07:47.940
 I just know it's coming up in this next session.

03:07:47.940 --> 03:07:51.460
 - So maybe some kind of brief on that,

03:07:51.460 --> 03:07:52.560
 is that what you mean?

03:07:52.560 --> 03:07:56.080
 - Sure, we actually already had an item on here

03:07:56.080 --> 03:07:59.000
 for discussing the history of annexations in the city,

03:07:59.000 --> 03:08:01.600
 so perhaps we can just roll that into one larger

03:08:01.600 --> 03:08:04.160
 annexation discussion in the future.

03:08:04.160 --> 03:08:05.680
 - Thank you.

03:08:05.680 --> 03:08:06.680
 Commissioner Prudt.

03:08:06.680 --> 03:08:07.640
 - Thank you, Chair.

03:08:07.640 --> 03:08:11.200
 I know we've been very busy in recent months

03:08:11.200 --> 03:08:13.400
 with various long-term plans,

03:08:13.400 --> 03:08:15.960
 and it's good to see that wrapped up.

03:08:15.960 --> 03:08:18.440
 I think, middle to the end of last year,

03:08:18.440 --> 03:08:19.800
 we were going through some boot camps,

03:08:19.800 --> 03:08:22.760
 and I'm not sure where we are in that process.

03:08:22.760 --> 03:08:25.760
 But given one of the comments tonight

03:08:25.760 --> 03:08:27.500
 about one of the public hearings,

03:08:27.500 --> 03:08:32.640
 it strikes me that two, I would say the two highest

03:08:32.640 --> 03:08:35.400
 common concerns we hear from residents

03:08:35.400 --> 03:08:38.300
 are traffic and drainage, right?

03:08:38.300 --> 03:08:42.280
 Traffic is complex, and you're never gonna convince anybody

03:08:42.280 --> 03:08:44.360
 that you know what you're talking about.

03:08:44.360 --> 03:08:49.360
 Drainage is complex, but maybe we can try to educate people,

03:08:49.360 --> 03:08:53.200
 as well as ourselves, about how drainage works,

03:08:53.200 --> 03:08:55.840
 at least to understand what the intention

03:08:55.840 --> 03:08:57.640
 of our processes are.

03:08:57.640 --> 03:09:00.840
 It just seems like when we have a public hearing

03:09:00.840 --> 03:09:03.120
 and the public comes forward and they say,

03:09:03.120 --> 03:09:05.080
 I'm worried about my backyard,

03:09:05.080 --> 03:09:07.400
 we are not technical professionals.

03:09:07.400 --> 03:09:10.600
 We don't understand how or why

03:09:10.600 --> 03:09:12.800
 that's not gonna be a problem.

03:09:12.800 --> 03:09:15.560
 They don't understand it because they get a minute and a half

03:09:15.560 --> 03:09:16.840
 and then they go away.

03:09:16.840 --> 03:09:20.000
 So I'm envisioning something like a boot camp

03:09:20.000 --> 03:09:21.340
 that would help us understand,

03:09:21.340 --> 03:09:24.240
 as well as, I think there was a council request recently

03:09:24.240 --> 03:09:26.580
 for some of that boot camp information

03:09:26.580 --> 03:09:28.520
 to be publicly distributed.

03:09:28.520 --> 03:09:31.840
 I think this would be an excellent candidate for that,

03:09:31.840 --> 03:09:35.900
 so that residents can not only learn about that

03:09:35.900 --> 03:09:38.760
 in their own time, but also understand

03:09:38.760 --> 03:09:43.480
 what their avenues for mitigation,

03:09:43.480 --> 03:09:46.400
 after the fact, if it seems like drainage issues

03:09:46.400 --> 03:09:48.920
 have been worsened by development.

03:09:48.920 --> 03:09:51.720
 'Cause that's just a loop that doesn't seem to get closed

03:09:51.720 --> 03:09:53.000
 and it always gets asked.

03:09:53.000 --> 03:10:00.920
 - Sure, we can definitely work with our neighbors

03:10:00.920 --> 03:10:01.960
 in the engineering department

03:10:01.960 --> 03:10:04.240
 and try to pull something together for you guys.

03:10:04.240 --> 03:10:05.560
 - Excellent, thank you.

03:10:06.640 --> 03:10:09.500
 Anything further for the matrix?

03:10:09.500 --> 03:10:11.120
 Any concluding items?

03:10:11.120 --> 03:10:16.560
 I'll just say congratulations again to staff

03:10:16.560 --> 03:10:21.000
 for the comp plan update and the mobility plans

03:10:21.000 --> 03:10:24.000
 going forward at council yesterday.

03:10:24.000 --> 03:10:27.920
 I know that was a whole lot of work by staff

03:10:27.920 --> 03:10:29.080
 and it was great discussion

03:10:29.080 --> 03:10:31.280
 and it was good to see it moving forward.

03:10:31.280 --> 03:10:35.080
 So with that, I will adjourn us at 8.29 p.m.

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