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 Good afternoon and welcome to the city of Denton's planning and zoning commission meeting for Wednesday, March 23rd, 2022.

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 This is our work session and with a quorum present, I will call us to order at 5 PM and say, it's lovely to be back in the work session room for work session.

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 Our 1st item on the agenda is citizen comments on the consent agenda. Is there anyone in the audience.

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 To comment there, and staff, do we have anyone on the phones?

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 I don't know if they can be piped in here.

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 Okay, hearing and seeing none, we will move on to clarification of agenda items for tonight's meeting.

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 The 1st will be the consent agenda. Is there any questions on anything on the consent agenda?

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 Commissioner Pruitt. Thank you. Just real briefly on item C, when I when I look at that, am I correct to understand that this layout is has to be in conformance with the PD that was done back in.

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 Whatever 1990 99, etc. And that's why the there's no connection to the perimeter road on the north side.

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 You're correct. Julie isn't here this evening, but the country lakes PD contained a development plan showing the layout, and they also had a preliminary plan approved back in 2013. I believe that dictates the overall layout. So they're developing in accordance with those prior approvals. Okay.

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 But if but under our current code, we would typically have an additional exit to that perimeter road on the north side. Correct. Okay. Thank you.

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 And on that same plan, I did email Julie about this, but I'll just go ahead and throw it out there. I did notice that we do not have asterisks on any of the lots here, and I know that we don't have a set rule for that.

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 But I just like to throw it out there that I love consistency, and I wish that we did because I think the asterisk should be out there for the lots that are within 1000 feet of the gas. Well, I just I think we should be consistent with that.

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 So if that's something that staff down the road could maybe at least encourage that that be done. I would certainly like to see that. Sure, we could probably add that recommendation to our checklist as a means of showing that particular plot does have it shown as a radius on there.

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 So the required information is there, but I certainly absolutely for consistent. Right. I saw that the required information is there. The note is there. Absolutely. I just I thought the addition of the asterisk that we've done, I thought, was was really helpful.

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 And so I would love to see that consistency down the road going forward. If there's a way to do that. Okay. Anything else on the consent agenda?

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 Okay, let's move to items for individual consideration on 3, a any questions on 3, a.

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 So, I did have 1 question on that 1. I don't know if Sean Sean going to come up for that.

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 Sorry, I realize you're just getting settled. Sorry. How are you doing? Well, no worries.

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 I don't have it to pull up yet, but what had happened there on 3, a was if I'm remembering correctly, that is weird. That is a plot that we're taking in 2 phases.

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 So initially it was brought forward as 1 total plot that I think we're talking about the right 1. No, I think that 1 is later on. Okay, so the 1 that so this is this is vintage village.

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 Vintage village. Yes. Oh, yeah. No, no, it is that 1. It is village. It's in 2 parts. Okay. Phase 1 and 1, a because somehow we move down to D for that. Yes. Understood. Yes. Okay.

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 So what happened was there initially they were bringing forward 1 plat and the challenge is that a letter of map revision is being done to remove part of those lots. This is my exact question. Okay. Yes.

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 And so the letter of map revision at which the city is actually, we're actually the ones bringing it forward because we're doing some work as part of the extension of the street there.

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 Once that is approved by FEMA, then all of the lots in the subdivision will be out of the floodplain. The challenge is that right now, when they're when they're going to plat it, many of those lots are still shown as in the floodplain.

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 And our code specifically says we do not approve lots that are undevelopable, which would be the case while they're shown in the floodplain.

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 So what we determined to be the best course of action with the developers to bring this in 2 phases, 1 of which the larger 1 F P 21 30 will exclude those lots that are within the floodplain.

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 So we can go ahead and approve those. No problem. And it will include all of the infrastructure needed for the subdivision as a whole will be done with that.

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 Once that letter of map revision is fully approved by FEMA, everything should move from the floodplain. That's what we're going we're going to be recommending for approval with conditions tonight.

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 That don't involve just those lots that are currently shown in the floodplain separate plat.

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 It'll be approved with the condition that that letter of map revision has to be approved and that plat will have to come back to you all so that we can say, yes, the condition was met.

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 You can now fully approve it. So you would be approving it with conditions, but it could not move forward until it came back to you with that condition met.

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 However, that does enable them to get the grading permit they need to be able to move some dirt there in partly in order to accomplish the goal of getting it out of the floodplain.

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 I realize that may have seemed a little convoluted. Yeah, so I guess that's my question of exactly what are we approving for 3A because it's odd that we're approving it while we're still waiting on a map revision.

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 Absolutely. And the primary challenge there is they need to be able to move dirt partly in order to align with how they're removing that land from the floodplain. And in order to do that, they have to have a plat that it is at least approved.

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 It can't be recorded because it's not fully approved, but because it's conditionally approved, they can get the permit they need to do grading and move dirt.

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 So we'll conditionally approve 3A is the recommendation and it will come before us once that map revision is yes, it will have to come back to you all. Yes.

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 Okay. Okay. That does answer my question. Anybody else?

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 Okay. All right. Thanks, John. Let's go ahead and move to 3B.

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 The recommendation on that is denial, I believe, because it's already had an extension. Correct. Any questions on that?

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 Okay, let's go to 3C then. And that one, we did have a late email come in today. So that is now recommended for approval. Any questions on that?

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 All right. And that takes us then to 3D, which kind of piggybacks on what we just talked about. Any questions on this?

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 Okay. Taking us to 3E, that is an extension requested to a date certain of April 13th. Any questions for staff on that one?

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 Okay. And then the same with item F, there's an extension request to a date certain of April 13th.

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 Okay. Let's go ahead and move to our public hearings for the evening on the agenda. So 4A, S20009. Ron is here to, I think, give just the highlights of that and answer any questions or concerns.

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 Thank you, Madam Chair, members of the commission, Ron Megiddo, principal planner with Development Services. I see we have the presentation visible here. So I'll go ahead and begin.

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 This is a request for a specific use permit to allow for a townhome use on a property that is zone R4, which is required per the development code.

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 As you can see from the aerial there, it is located just south of Prominence Parkway, west of Mayhill Road. They are proposing 41 townhomes and one large open space lot.

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 That concludes my presentation. I'll stand for any questions.

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 Commissioner McDade.

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 Yeah, I'm just curious. Are these townhomes, are they rental or are they for purchase, you know?

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 According to the property owner, they are for purchase, individual lots.

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 Commissioner Pruitt.

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 Thank you, Chair. Just a question. I noticed on the site plan that they provided that the cul-de-sac turnaround on the bottom is there within this particular lot as opposed to sort of a temporary fire turnaround on the property adjacent if they wanted to try to arrange that.

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 Is that because a temporary turnaround is not possible due to the fact that non-emergency traffic would also need to turn around potentially or help me understand the difference there?

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 So the turnaround that you see there is for the fire requirements.

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 We did not show a connection to the south, primarily because the property to the south is zoned light industrial, and so trying to keep those type of uses separate from each other, this being a residential zoning district and to the property it being a light industrial zoning district.

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 But as far as the turnaround, and I'm trying to understand the question, are you saying that it's not supposed to be there or it's...

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 No, no, I understand why we need a turnaround, right, because larger vehicles probably or may not be able to navigate the alleys backward.

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 And I was just, yeah, just trying to understand why the more clear division between these two plots.

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 Primarily the zoning districts between the two.

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 Thank you.

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 Commissioner Smith.

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 Hey, Chair. Ron, what was the parking situation in there, because I can't really tell from the site plan when I was looking at it before, with the alleyways in the back, are they going to be doing...is it garage parking in the back end of it, is that kind of what they're discussing?

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 Yes, so garage parking, garage parking as well as the driveway parking will get them the four parking spaces per lot that they need.

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 Gotcha. Good. All right. Thanks.

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 Anything else for Ron on this one?

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 Okay, thanks, Ron.

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 Okay, that'll take us to our next public hearing item 4B, PD-20007.

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 Karina, I believe that is yours. Hi, Karina.

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 All right. Good evening.

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 Excuse me.

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 It's allergy season.

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 Oh, yes, it is.

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 It's a very heavy allergy week.

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 So the item today is PD-20-007. This is a plan development called Love First Community Village.

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 So we'll just do a brief presentation today.

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 So the request today is to rezone from an existing R7 district to a plan development with the base zoning of MN district.

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 As you can see, the site is located on the south side of East McKinney Street, east of May Hill Road, basically Caddy Corner to Ryan High School.

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 The purpose of this PD is to facilitate a new use for the PD only.

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 So the PD will define a transitional housing project with some non-residential uses such as daycare and office.

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 Per the Denton Plan 2030 and the newly approved Denton 2040 Comprehensive Plan,

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 it is designated for community mixed use and was also designated for moderate density.

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 But the designation has remained the same and staff is recommending approval of this PD.

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 And I can answer questions that you have today.

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 Questions for Karina.

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 Commissioner Pruitt.

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 Thank you, Chair.

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 I couldn't really tell on the backup information.

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 Is there provision for connection to a future trail corridor like there have been on previous developments within this corridor?

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 Yes, thank you for catching that.

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 And I'll go thoroughly in the presentation.

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 I am flagging in on a future slide.

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 So similar to Pebble Brook and Legacy Multifamily, staff was proposing that they have that future trail connection to the future Pecan Creek Trail.

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 So it's not actually shown on the site plan.

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 But the PD language does allow that flexibility for them to add it in the future.

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 So they're currently coordinating with the Parks Department to do that.

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 OK, thank you.

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 Other questions for Karina?

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 Karina, I guess so with regard to transitional housing and we're defining it just for this PD?

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 Yes, that's correct.

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 OK, and how are we managing that definition?

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 So because it is so unique and we're tying it to things and time and so.

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 Yeah, so within the PD, one of the requirements is that it have its own development standards.

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 So if approved, those development standards and the development plan would be tied to this property, whether it changes ownership moving forward.

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 So that PD document does have a specific definition included within it for transitional housing.

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 And I do have that definition on me so I can kind of read it for everyone,

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 which we've defined it as temporary housing and supportive services operated by a nonprofit organization.

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 I'll pause there because the intent is for the current nonprofit to operate that site.

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 If for some reason ownership changes, it could only be for another nonprofit.

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 So it keeps the intent of the development intact.

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 So moving on from that, operated by a nonprofit organization for at risk families who are experiencing financial burdens that have led to or may lead to homelessness.

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 Within the definition, it also indicates that it's intended to serve as temporary housing for those clients that are transitioning to permanent housing.

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 And it does make an indication that this is not a homeless shelter.

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 It is not group housing. It is specific for this type of community.

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 And what does the word temporary mean?

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 So that is not specifically defined in the PD.

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 That is something that we could possibly, I'm looking at Hillary, maybe define further if it's a point of contention.

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 There is the distinction between the homeless shelter, so that kind of gives the definition of, I think it's a 24 hour, I don't have that definition on me, but I can pull it up.

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 >> Yeah, and I'm okay with that, but I think we should have some kind of definition for the word temporary in its regard.

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 Otherwise, I don't understand how we would enforce the PD or what this really means if we don't have that defined.

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 But yeah, we'd love your input or anyone else's.

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 >> So I'm not, sorry, we were having a conversation, so I might have missed part of the question.

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 Scott and I were discussing that by definition of it being transitional housing, it implies that it would not be permanent.

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 So although there's not a time tied to the temporary component to it, it's not intended to be permanent housing.

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 It would be managed by the ownership of the non-profit entity or whoever's owning this to determine how long each individual family would reside within the development.

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 >> Right, so there's not a minimal either, it could be 24 hours?

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 >> No, it would not, because that would lead it towards the definition in the current DDC for homeless shelters.

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 So the definition itself does include the language that says that it excludes, or it's not intended to serve as a homeless shelter or group home as defined by the DDC.

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 So those two definitions within the DDC, as they're written now,

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 I believe the homeless shelter has a specific time reference to it, and I can pull that up in just a second.

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 But that would be kind of the catch to prevent that short term type of use.

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 And I believe the applicant will be here later so they can clarify what the intent is for temporary.

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 >> Okay, and I'm all okay, except when it comes to intent on certain things,

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 because I want certain things spelled out so we know exactly what we're using this property for.

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 And our very few code enforcement people that we have on staff know what it is that they're supposed to be enforcing.

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 If that were to be a thing that they would be called to do.

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 So yeah, if you could just maybe, yeah, have a few more definitions, I would appreciate that at the public meeting.

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 Anyone else? Commissioner Smith.

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 >> Thank you, Chair.

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 So what is even the purpose of why we have to put the transitional housing in there, is that we're trying to avoid the short term rental process.

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 And then, because that's essentially what this is, if there's not a transitional housing definition,

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 is that this becomes, at that point in time, treated the same way the city would then treat Airbnbs and those kinds of things.

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 Is it trying to get through, I mean, it almost seems like by putting its own definition in there in the PD and making it happen this way.

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 We, and I hope something like this goes through and it's there forever until the end of time.

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 But if it's not, and then it goes to the next person who has to buy it,

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 we basically lose that ability without doing a PD revision, an app can come back and do a PD revision.

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 For that property, then transfer over to a for profit, and then be able to be turned over instead of transitional housing being more affordable, low income housing or something like that.

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 So what is the purpose of why we have to have that in there?

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 That's the piece I still don't understand.

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 >> Yeah, so when this project came forward through the early development process, this was one of those that was hard to define.

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 It actually came in before the HML proposed uses.

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 So at its face, it does appear to be similar to the HML use.

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 The difference between the HML use and the transitional housing use, which is why it's specifically defined in this PD,

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 is that it's purposely intended for non-profit operation and specifically to address affordability issues for those at risk of homelessness.

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 So that's the key component in the definition and in how it's worded.

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 So in terms of ownership, if this were to change from the current owner of Grace Like Rain to another non-profit in Denton or even another non-profit anywhere else, it is restricted to a non-profit by definition.

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 >> So having it in there, we're trying to protect saying that this property can never go to a non-profit and can never go to that for-profit stature.

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 >> Yeah, it would prevent it from going to a for-profit type of owner that would then create sort of the HML use.

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 Everything within the PD is basically a restriction.

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 In order to change what's proposed within the PD, that's uses, any of the standards they're proposing,

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 it would be considered a major PD amendment, and they would have to go through the process all over again with public hearings and council approval.

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 >> Okay, I guess I'm more of just questioning why it's an issue, and maybe I'm the only one that is thinking this, and that's totally fine.

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 I would want it to only be a non-profit, but once it's built for the non-profit purpose,

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 if we have restrictive standards in there that make it to where, what if there's not another non-profit that wants to buy it?

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 And then that property is now sitting vacant with transitional housing that doesn't have a purpose at that point.

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 Without having to go through a lot of extra steps, somebody else can't come in and take what's already on the ground and convert it over to something else.

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 It seems like we're adding more restrictions to a property to save off something that actually might be needed in the future if something were to go awry.

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 And to sort of address that issue is if, for some reason, this development moves forward, let's say the PD's approved.

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 Let's say it moves forward, it's developed in let's say 20 years down the line, it no longer works.

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 There are options for a new developer to come in and possibly change it, it's an additional cost using what's on the ground.

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 They would have to rezone out of the PD, of course that's public hearings,

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 that it would be up to the community to decide whether that is appropriate for that area if it's context sensitive.

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 But there are avenues, if that's the will of PNZ and councils, to allow that flexibility.

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 There is still the opportunity to rezone a property to allow an HML use, assuming it's in the code at the time.

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 And because it's mixed use having that non-residential component, excuse me.

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 But the intent now would be for that non-profit operation.

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 But I suppose that might be a question for the developer during the regular session to answer.

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 And hopefully that answered your question now.

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 But was the definition or recommendation of staff or was that a recommendation or was that a request from the applicant?

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 That was actually a combined negotiation between staff and the developer specifically to meet those comprehensive plan goals towards affordability.

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 And meet that missing housing component for those at risk of homelessness.

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 It was more of a let's, if this is what we want to do in this area based on the comprehensive plan in the surrounding area,

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 which is mostly residential right now, we wanted to keep the integrity of the neighborhood intact.

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 So I'm not a predictor of what's going to happen in the future, maybe 20 years down the line.

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 But if those changes come, I believe there's avenues for us to be able to have that go through, if that's helpful.

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 >> Okay.

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 All right, thanks.

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 >> Haley, I have some, okay.

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 >> Yeah, I was just going to add, Scott was looking it up while we were talking.

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 There is a definition in the Code of Federal Regulations under HUD's codes for transitional housing that appears to define transitional housing as not more than 24 months.

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 So we can certainly talk with the applicant during the break before the regular meeting and clarify if that's how they're operating the facility or not.

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 >> And then to tack on to what Haley just said, when we define the definition or staff was proposing to help word the definition for this,

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 we did heavily look into HUD's definition of transitional housing.

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 And so that typically had the general timeframe of one, between one year and 24 months.

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 Of course, that was staff's assumption and not a specific requirement or specific indication by the applicant.

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 >> Okay, I'll look forward to that future discussion at the meeting, for sure.

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 Anybody else at the moment?

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 Okay, thanks, Graham.

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 >> I'll just stay here, though.

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 >> Because you have, let's see.

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 We are on, yes, 4C, Z210018.

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 >> I had a break for a while, and now I'm back with the last items.

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 >> We'll let you give your overview.

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 >> This one should be, I don't want to say fairly simple, but pretty straightforward.

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 So this request is Z21-0018, Home Depot.

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 So the request is related to the Razor Ranch Overlay District.

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 The request is to amend a landscape plan, which is Appendix D of Exhibit D,

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 for the Marketplace District located in the Razor Ranch Overlay District.

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 So just to give you a brief overview, Razor Ranch Overlay District has two main areas.

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 The North Campus, which is the marketplace for this area, is on the north side of US 380.

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 The south campus is what's south of US 380.

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 So this is in the marketplace north side, specifically 11.

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 And so I've highlighted that on the site plan.

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 The purpose of this zoning request is that through the Razor Ranch Overlay,

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 all development in the marketplace has to comply with any approved design guidelines

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 and approved plans.

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 So the marketplace area, if there are any deviations from those plans,

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 it does require that the applicant go through the zoning process to amend that.

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 So that's why it's coming as a zoning case.

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 So it's not really changing any zoning, but it has to go through that process

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 per the ordinance.

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 So staff is recommending approval of this request,

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 as they're amending a portion of an existing approved plan

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 rather than the entire plan.

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 And this is to facilitate their home improvement store development.

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 And with that, I can take any questions.

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 Any questions for Karina on this?

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 Just curious, are they closing and relocating the store that's

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 currently here in town?

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 I don't believe so.

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 The applicant is here.

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 They're actually here in work session, but I know

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 that they can address that during the regular session.

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 I believe it's a secondary location.

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 The plans for this area actually previously indicated

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 a Lowe's was to be located.

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 So the overlay does identify a home improvement store

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 as a specific square footage and everything.

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 They're not planning to change the land use or anything like that,

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 but it's intended to be a Home Depot instead.

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 Very good.

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 Well, I will ask them in the regular meeting.

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 I do not see any other questions.

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 Thanks, Karina.

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 Let's see, that will take us to our final public hearing

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 for DZ220001.

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 I'll let Lisa come up and give us a rundown of that item.

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 Let me see if I can pull it.

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 That's weird.

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 Oh, because this isn't the actual folder.

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 This is just from when y'all copied over.

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 Can I get to the regular--

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 [INAUDIBLE]

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 Yeah.

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 Let's see if it's this.

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 Is this right?

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 Where the heck is it?

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 Do we not have our own drive here,

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 or am I just not looking in the right place?

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 OK.

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 Well, in general, I can tell you about it

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 and figure it out before the meeting.

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 See, we're getting back into work session and the room

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 and how it works.

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 Yes, give us the overview.

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 That would be fantastic.

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 All right, this is going to be two acres that

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 is requested to be rezoned from RR to R1.

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 This is over on the east side of Mosh Branch Road,

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 just south of 1173.

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 The property was actually divided

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 from the overall parent tract that it

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 used to be a part of before it was annexed.

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 And at that time, it was given an RD5X zoning, now RR.

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 It's only two acres, and RR requires five acres

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 to develop.

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 And so they can't do anything with their property

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 at this zoning district, so they would

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 like to go to R1 so that they may

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 build a single-family home.

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 Great.

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 Commissioner Paul.

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 Thank you, Chair.

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 They're wanting to go R1 from RR.

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 In the flume, is this part of the light industrial?

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 Yes, it did just change from rural areas

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 to light industrial, because we've

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 had that influx of light industrial applications.

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 But this was filed under the 2030 comp plan, rather than

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 the 2040 that's approved.

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 So how does this jive with the flume?

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 Because this goes back to all these rural homes

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 on that part of town that we have just

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 fluned light industrial.

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 But here we are giving RR to R1.

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 In my mind, that doesn't make too much sense.

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 So why-- I mean, this is kind of the rub

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 that's going on over there.

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 You have someone going from R to R1.

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 You have, on the north side of 1173,

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 large R1 lots with large acre homes.

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 How does this go together with our flume?

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 It doesn't seem to.

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 And how can we reconcile that as a commission

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 when you guys are telling us to go light industrial,

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 but then you're acknowledging the RR R1 use here?

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 There's over 100 homes from 380 to 1173

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 that are large acre, large lot homes.

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 So how does this go with the flume to light industrial?

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 To when, eventually, you're going to go and plow them over.

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 The light industrial, eventually, you want that to win.

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 How does this come together in the overall plan?

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 It seems to me a big contradiction.

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 I don't know if-- I mean, how do we

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 reconcile that contradiction?

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 You're about to give somebody R1 when it's LI.

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 And on record, I've always been one to keep it RR R1.

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 But we're encouraging a different land use

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 from what the flume is.

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 I agree.

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 You make some very valid points.

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 And it was brought in before the 2040 was approved.

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 And so at the time that it came in,

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 we did not know for sure what was going to be approved.

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 It is the same kind of land use that is there currently.

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 We don't know when the industrial use

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 will come for those particular properties

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 right on Moss Branch.

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 It could be very soon.

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 It could be 20 years.

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 We feel as staff that that use would

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 be OK in that location right now,

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 as there's other uses that are the same.

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 And it meets the 2030 comp plan.

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 So it's OK for now, but in the future, maybe not.

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 So there is a big contradiction going on here.

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 And I just want you guys to realize

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 that of what's going on in this part of town.

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 There's the here and now, not the flume, not the whatever

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 is 20 years now, but what is there right now.

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 And there are so many properties,

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 like I said, from 380 all the way to 1173 or 1171,

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 that we're just going to let you have this now.

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 But in the future, it's going to be a lot industrial.

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 How do you reconcile that?

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 I'm sorry to be confrontational.

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 I don't mean to be.

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 But this is something that I've always had an opinion on

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 and have always been vocal about, because that's me.

351
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 You know, this is-- how do you reconcile that?

352
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 Commissioner Cole, thank you very much.

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 As Lisa had indicated, the current zoning on the property

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 is what we're working with, and the proposed zoning of what

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 they're asking to go to.

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 The future land use map is just that.

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 It is a potential future land use map.

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 All of those properties will have

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 to come before this body, as well as council, to rezone.

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 So if it is the will of the commission and the council

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 not to rezone to a light industrial,

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 then that will be the case.

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 And then, of course, our development code

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 does have standards in place where

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 it is that any of the buffering or what

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 may occur with adjacent properties,

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 those existing residences.

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 For this particular case, the property owner

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 has a piece of property that doesn't comply with RR.

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 They're looking for R1 and looking for this body

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 to take action on that particular case.

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 Fair enough.

373
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 Thank you, Scott.

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 I appreciate that.

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 Thank you so much.

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 Thank you.

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 I guess let me just ask a question in that same vein.

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 So in our backup, we've got a snippet

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 of the future land use map.

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 Has this map changed that I'm looking at?

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 The one that you're looking at?

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 Yes, likely.

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 OK, because this falls into rural area in our backup.

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 But now it's been consumed with--

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 so this has been taken up because we

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 had business innovation, which became light industrial.

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 And then this has been taken into that, too?

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 Yes, since this agenda was prepared before the 2040

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 comprehensive plan adoption, all of our maps

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 rely on the 2030 plan.

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 And all of our analysis is based upon that

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 because all these applications began

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 under that previous comp plan.

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 So all of them, yes, the maps in your backup

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 have possibly changed.

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 And we did our best to address that in the reports

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 to acknowledge the changes in the map cards.

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 OK.

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 Commissioner Anderson.

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 Thanks, Chair.

401
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 I do have a question to go along with what

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 Commissioner Cole was saying.

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 So I believe you said that in the future,

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 if somebody wants to turn their R1 or whatever

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 into light industrial, it'd have to come before the board.

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 So this is hypothetical.

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 Jason owns a lot of land right here next to mine.

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 And I want R1.

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 But Jason's like, I'm out of town.

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 I'm leaving.

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 I'm moving to Colorado.

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 I want to sell mine, and this light industrial comes in.

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 So now my rural house is going to have a light industrial

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 built right next to it.

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 That's what I don't understand.

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 And I'm on the same thing with Jason.

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 I don't like this because those are rural communities.

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 Those people lived there for many years.

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 So I like-- should somebody explain that one?

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 So I'll take my best stab at that.

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00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,840
 So we've had similar cases before,

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 like the ones on Miller Road that you all

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 saw just a few months ago.

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 The pieces of property that we've

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 had these recent rezonings for are all one to two acres

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 at most.

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 Those are, in all reality, not likely to develop

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 as industrial.

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00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,200
 You would have to be--

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 most industrial developments we see occur 20-plus acres of land,

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 most of the time 100-plus.

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 The likelihood in these residential areas

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 of some developer coming in and buying the entire neighborhood

434
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,760
 to rezone and develop is very unlikely.

435
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,640
 If someone did choose to do that,

436
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,200
 that would have to come before the P&Z and council

437
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:34,120
 to make that request.

438
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,000
 And we would have to do that analysis

439
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,480
 based on the context, based on the comprehensive plan,

440
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,960
 based on our zoning standards, the reality of them

441
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,200
 even being able to develop with the buffer standards

442
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:44,800
 and everything else that's in the code.

443
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,680
 So it's not just the future land use map.

444
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,680
 As Scott mentioned, that's a potential.

445
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,960
 That's an aspirational thing that someday

446
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:56,080
 we see that area as a very sensible place for light

447
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,600
 industrial, given what's occurring.

448
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,080
 But that doesn't mean every parcel is

449
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:00,560
 appropriate for light industrial.

450
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,160
 And that's where we have to look at the context of each rezoning

451
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:03,880
 application.

452
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,920
 And I might piggyback on that, oftentimes

453
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,800
 that it'll come before this body and council and be denied,

454
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,160
 whether it's even remotely close to a residential

455
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,000
 or an industrial.

456
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:19,240
 So it will be a parcel by parcel piece.

457
00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:23,760
 And I think we're mixing two pieces to this,

458
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,320
 is that we've got a property owner that's requesting

459
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,120
 to go from RR to an R1.

460
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,800
 And that's almost the focus we need to be on,

461
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,560
 different from where it is the future land use

462
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:40,280
 map has what it is, as Haley had stated, it's aspirational.

463
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:41,960
 That may be the case.

464
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,200
 It's an appropriate place if we are

465
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,640
 going to have light industrial in the city of Denton.

466
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,600
 Doesn't mean that it will be.

467
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,840
 And in many instances, it will not be.

468
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,400
 That really should be a clouded fuzzy.

469
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:55,600
 It's not a hard line.

470
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,800
 It's just we have to draw a boundary somewhere.

471
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,400
 It is the current zoning map that really

472
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,440
 specifies what it is we have in law,

473
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,640
 rather than what it is we're looking at to say,

474
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,120
 this is what we think may happen.

475
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,440
 Then why put it out there then?

476
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:16,120
 Because it's going to give other developers and businesses

477
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:17,960
 the hope, hey, I want to buy this.

478
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,920
 And like you said, if they want to buy 20 acres,

479
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,400
 50 acres to build something, they

480
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,760
 have the money to buy these people out.

481
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,280
 And that's typically what happens

482
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,480
 as far as just someone will come in and look,

483
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,200
 and they'll do their due diligence to see

484
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,720
 if, in fact, they can get the entitlements for the property.

485
00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:35,280
 If they can't, then they typically

486
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:36,480
 have options on the property.

487
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,280
 But these corporations and businesses,

488
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,480
 they're looking at our maps to find out

489
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,400
 where they can expand to, where they can go.

490
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:44,640
 And they're going to see that on the map,

491
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,320
 going, oh, this is their future land map.

492
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,200
 I'm going to start buying up land out here.

493
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:49,960
 And then you got Mr. Cole over here,

494
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,920
 sold his lot to--

495
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,040
 nothing against Home Depot.

496
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,000
 I'm glad you are moving to a second location.

497
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,320
 I'm very happy about that.

498
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,000
 But what if Home Depot, when our loads,

499
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,760
 their competition want to put a big old lot out there?

500
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:01,800
 You know, now they're going to-- they

501
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,320
 have the money to buy all that land out there and develop.

502
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,280
 But we're giving them an idea, hey, this is where you can go.

503
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,680
 And it's kind of wrong to the people that live out there.

504
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,440
 That's, I think, what Mr. Coon, Mr. Cole, and what I'm thinking.

505
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,280
 And we certainly can have some of those conversations.

506
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,600
 And I think it's very appropriate,

507
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,560
 as we look at what you're going to have for a work session

508
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,400
 here today, is the area plans.

509
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,640
 And as we talk about those area plans,

510
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,080
 and part of that conversation when

511
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:31,080
 we went before this group, as well as going before council,

512
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,840
 is the idea and the concept of where

513
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,800
 it is we may make amendments to the comprehensive plan

514
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,400
 as a result of getting in and talking

515
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,120
 about the detail of specific areas.

516
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,320
 And the areas that you're going to see this evening

517
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,480
 are going to be larger areas.

518
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,080
 But we certainly can't take 4,000 or 7,000 acres

519
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:52,360
 and create an area plan.

520
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,120
 We're going to have to break those into smaller pieces.

521
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,480
 We're looking to get priorities, what path we're going to go

522
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,120
 down, and then we'll have those conversations.

523
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,800
 So I'm just trying to focus and make sure

524
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,640
 we're staying on topic with this item, which is truly

525
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,800
 a property owner asking to rezone their property

526
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,920
 from an RR to an R1.

527
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,760
 And we absolutely will entertain any future conversations

528
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,920
 regarding the future land use map, the comp plan,

529
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,880
 and the area plans are going to do exactly

530
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,440
 what it is this conversation is taking place with.

531
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,080
 Thank you, Scott, and I think we've

532
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,840
 veered close enough to being off posting

533
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,680
 that if we can put a pin in this element there,

534
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,360
 that would be good.

535
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:32,880
 Thank you.

536
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,480
 And I think staying on topic with this,

537
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,640
 I think the request, they are surrounded

538
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,040
 by single-family homes by and large.

539
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,080
 There are some undeveloped land around them.

540
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:45,640
 I think my only question, and we can

541
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,200
 talk about this in the public hearing,

542
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:52,880
 is does the applicant know that the future land use map

543
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,760
 looks different than it did in what

544
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,640
 this is being considered under?

545
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,280
 So I don't know if you have an answer to that question,

546
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:05,600
 but I'm going to ask that question in the public hearing.

547
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,800
 Commissioner Brut.

548
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:08,480
 Thank you, Chair.

549
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,920
 And again, just to make sure we're focused on this,

550
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,080
 I think if you can remind us in the public hearing specifically

551
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:16,840
 what those buffering requirements are

552
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,800
 between residential and industrial land uses

553
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,240
 and whether they differ between RR and R1 zoning,

554
00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:23,880
 that would help.

555
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,360
 Thank you.

556
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,480
 Anybody else before we move along?

557
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:33,120
 OK, thanks, Lisa.

558
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:39,040
 OK, that's the end of our public hearing items on the agenda.

559
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:47,520
 So that will take us to our work session report for today.

560
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,120
 Trying to figure out if we need to break and get

561
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,640
 food before our discussion.

562
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,560
 So give me just a second, because I

563
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,480
 don't know if it's here.

564
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,240
 It is here?

565
00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:02,520
 I will-- let me get the commission's thoughts on this.

566
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,080
 Do you want to break super quick to get food?

567
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,360
 Bring it here, and then we can move along.

568
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,220
 OK, let's adjourn for food at 543.

569
00:43:10,220 --> 00:43:13,500
 Grab it, and let's resume as soon as possible.

570
00:43:13,500 --> 00:43:14,000
 Thanks.

571
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:22,640
 [AUDIO OUT]

572
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,280
 Work session for Wednesday, March 23rd.

573
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,120
 I will call us back to order at 555.

574
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,200
 We will move to our work session report

575
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,800
 of the evening, which is Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion,

576
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,920
 Give Staff Direction Regarding Prioritizing Area Plans.

577
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:37,760
 Hi, Ron.

578
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,240
 Good afternoon, everyone.

579
00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:43,720
 Again, Ron, [INAUDIBLE]

580
00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:45,800
 Happy to be here presenting this item.

581
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,240
 Obviously, as you all know, we did adopt or approve

582
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:52,240
 the comprehensive plan, the DEN2040 comprehensive plan.

583
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:54,840
 And one of the first actions that we're working on

584
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,400
 is obviously the area plan.

585
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,400
 So with that, I'm going to go ahead and start my presentation.

586
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,920
 And before I begin, I just wanted

587
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,480
 to share a few things on why we want to see area plans,

588
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,440
 why it is necessary, why it is needed.

589
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,620
 It is really to establish a refined and more specific

590
00:44:12,620 --> 00:44:14,720
 vision for an area.

591
00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:17,080
 I know that there was some discussion earlier

592
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,120
 what this area should be, how this area should be developed.

593
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,160
 I think through the area planning efforts,

594
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,560
 that is something that we will accomplish.

595
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,160
 Land preservation is also another reason

596
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,960
 why area plans are important.

597
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,320
 It identifies certain areas that should be preserved.

598
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,760
 Development pressures and opportunities.

599
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,000
 We see areas in our city today all over.

600
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,160
 Someone asks, where are the development pressures

601
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:40,840
 within the city?

602
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,160
 Well, it's everywhere.

603
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:43,940
 And when you see the map-- and I think

604
00:44:43,940 --> 00:44:47,080
 you have a copy of the map that we're proposing or recommending

605
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,640
 rankings for area plans--

606
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:49,400
 it's all over.

607
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,080
 It's not just one location.

608
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,720
 Maintain versus establishing a character, a new character

609
00:44:55,720 --> 00:44:57,200
 for that area.

610
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,320
 That is something that an area plan can accomplish.

611
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,040
 Infrastructure mobility challenges.

612
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,640
 There is an area that we know that is struggling

613
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:06,920
 with mobility right now.

614
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,500
 And so we want to make sure that whatever that solution is,

615
00:45:10,500 --> 00:45:13,880
 resolution is, we will refine what that is

616
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,580
 and figure out what can be done to address those challenges.

617
00:45:17,580 --> 00:45:19,400
 Community interest and partnership.

618
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,120
 We have a lot of folks that are interested in finding out

619
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,800
 what that next level is, what that vision is for that city.

620
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,760
 So we know we have a group in town

621
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,960
 that has already started that process,

622
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,560
 and they've got a great interest in seeing an area plan.

623
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,160
 We want to see them through that process.

624
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,920
 And the last two is really the implementation

625
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,680
 of the comprehensive plan, as well as

626
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,560
 what we're referring to the focus area concept

627
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,320
 map that is shown here.

628
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,680
 You can see that there are centers.

629
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,440
 There are areas shown in red that are more corridors.

630
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,000
 And corridors are basically that you

631
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,240
 can just imagine just an area that's

632
00:45:57,240 --> 00:46:01,600
 along a major corridor, such as University, Mayhill, Loop 288,

633
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,560
 or whatever it may be.

634
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:08,640
 And so that is really why we want to see area plans.

635
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,320
 Two slides here, just really quickly,

636
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,160
 to kind of identify where in our comprehensive plan

637
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,920
 that specifically says area plans are needed,

638
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:17,840
 why it's needed.

639
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,040
 So in element two, which is our land use element,

640
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,760
 it talks about action items that creating area plans

641
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,280
 are for certain areas to create, again, what we already

642
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,680
 discussed in the very first slide.

643
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,160
 I won't read through all of this.

644
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,320
 Prioritizing 281, it specifically

645
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:40,160
 says prioritize and create area plans for centers, corridors,

646
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,240
 and other areas within the focus area concept map.

647
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:46,240
 So that is why we're here today, is really

648
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:48,920
 to prioritize the area plan.

649
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:50,360
 We're not here to talk specifically

650
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,720
 about that area specifically, but just really

651
00:46:53,720 --> 00:46:57,520
 where we want those first area plans to be.

652
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,600
 Ultimately, we will be sharing this information

653
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,120
 with the city council.

654
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,200
 They will then talk about if they

655
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,040
 agree with the recommendation.

656
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:10,320
 And then two, what number of area plans, excuse me,

657
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:11,400
 that we want to accomplish?

658
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:12,680
 Do we want to do one a year?

659
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,080
 Do we want to do two a year?

660
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:14,960
 Whatever it may be.

661
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,480
 That is something that will be discussed at that level

662
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,960
 with the city council.

663
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,920
 Another element in the comprehensive plan

664
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,240
 is element number four.

665
00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:30,600
 Element number four, again, action 4124 says the same thing.

666
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,960
 Create a prioritization.

667
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,160
 And that, again, is why we're here today,

668
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,840
 is to prioritize these area plans.

669
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,760
 Now, staff took the initiative and identified the areas

670
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,120
 that we feel are important.

671
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,960
 And we've actually ranked them from 1 to 10.

672
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:53,040
 Our ranking from 1 to 5 is probably more needed.

673
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:57,200
 The 6 through 10 is something that we know

674
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:58,160
 that needs to be done.

675
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:02,440
 But really, 1 through 5 is really our focus.

676
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,240
 So here's that list.

677
00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:12,000
 1 through 10, you have a copy of this slide on your desk.

678
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,880
 My hope is that at the end of this presentation,

679
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:20,680
 the Planning Zoning Commission will share what they believe

680
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,120
 is the ranking of the area plans.

681
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,800
 This is the list that we developed.

682
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,520
 There are other areas that you are obviously aware of that

683
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,360
 may not be represented here.

684
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,680
 And we'll certainly take that into consideration.

685
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,440
 And we'll forward that message to the city council.

686
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,240
 But again, this is staff's recommendation.

687
00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:41,680
 So take a look at this.

688
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,200
 And as I go through the presentation

689
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,360
 and you feel that 1 is important,

690
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,360
 circle that or identify it.

691
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,080
 So again, when we circle back with the commission

692
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,000
 at the end of this presentation, we

693
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:58,440
 want to hear from you all what your top three, your top four

694
00:48:58,440 --> 00:48:59,280
 is.

695
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,040
 And then again, that will be what

696
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:06,960
 we will be forwarding to city council on your behalf.

697
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:08,840
 So we'll go ahead and get started.

698
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,160
 Any questions so far before we get to the next slide?

699
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:13,440
 Commissioner Smith.

700
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,680
 Ron, I'll save most of my questions for the end.

701
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,600
 But are there any areas that are not on there

702
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,120
 that you guys talked about but didn't you

703
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:20,200
 exclude it off of there?

704
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,240
 There's one up there that I would recommend.

705
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:25,040
 Honestly, we were focusing on, like I said earlier,

706
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:26,280
 the top five.

707
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:30,600
 We wanted to give you all additional areas as well.

708
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,760
 So we built it up to 10.

709
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,240
 But to answer your question, no.

710
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:36,040
 I think the list that we have here

711
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,800
 is what staffs believe should be represented.

712
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:39,300
 OK.

713
00:49:39,300 --> 00:49:39,800
 Thanks.

714
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,040
 OK.

715
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:44,200
 Thanks, Ron.

716
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:49,640
 OK, so the first one is the Northeast area, primarily

717
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,600
 Loop 288 and Sherman, the area that you

718
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,400
 see highlighted here in yellow.

719
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,280
 And again, before we get further,

720
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,360
 I just want to say that the boundaries

721
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:01,640
 are general boundaries.

722
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:02,760
 Don't focus on the boundary.

723
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:04,520
 Just focus on the area.

724
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,920
 As we start this process of area planning,

725
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,160
 we will refine that boundary.

726
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:11,160
 It could get smaller.

727
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:12,200
 We hope it gets smaller.

728
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,520
 This is a very big area.

729
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,480
 But in other areas, it could get bigger.

730
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,480
 But for the most part, this is the general area

731
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:23,000
 that we have been looking at and have

732
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:27,000
 been presented by the community that lives in this area

733
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,920
 as a study area.

734
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,760
 And so this is what we are beginning with.

735
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:36,800
 It's approximately 7,000 acres of almost 700 parcels.

736
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,080
 And you all know this area primarily

737
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:40,720
 because of the development pressure

738
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:42,160
 that we've seen lately.

739
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,560
 There has been two planned developments in this area.

740
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,000
 It's primarily rural.

741
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:52,320
 The area has a lot of natural resources,

742
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,280
 environmental-sensitive areas, and floodplains.

743
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,320
 So land preservation is something

744
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,560
 that we would like to focus on.

745
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,160
 Infrastructure and mobility.

746
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,520
 There was-- not too far from here,

747
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:07,400
 or right within this boundary, there was a planned development.

748
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,160
 And some of the concerns was traffic

749
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:11,880
 and related to King's Way.

750
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,760
 So infrastructure and mobility challenges

751
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,560
 is something that we would like to focus our study on.

752
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,440
 Again, I spoke about the community interests.

753
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:21,480
 We already know that.

754
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,000
 And then also, council has already

755
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:31,480
 mentioned that this is an area of interest for an area plan.

756
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,560
 Southeast area plan.

757
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:38,000
 Also referred to the Southeast Den Neighborhood Alliance

758
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:39,200
 area.

759
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,520
 The boundary that you see here, again, is what we believe

760
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:46,520
 represents the area that we would like to study.

761
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,000
 The boundaries, again, will most likely change

762
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,200
 as we get further into the analysis.

763
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:53,960
 And I want to preface that there will

764
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,280
 be some overlaps between the next few area plans.

765
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,040
 But if you look at this boundary,

766
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:04,240
 this is what we can believe the Southeast Denton Neighborhood

767
00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:07,040
 Alliance area represents.

768
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,680
 One of the challenges that we know is happening there

769
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:14,800
 is obviously there's an issue of maintaining its character.

770
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,800
 We see development pressures from the downtown area

771
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,360
 coming to this area.

772
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:26,080
 We also want to make sure that we capitalize

773
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,240
 on the assets that's there.

774
00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:30,000
 So what are those?

775
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,080
 Well, we'll find out with the area plan.

776
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,480
 Once we define those assets, we can then

777
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,680
 build on and capitalize on those.

778
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,440
 And then again, council has expressed interest for this area

779
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,560
 as an area plan.

780
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,600
 I can tell you back when I first started,

781
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:48,880
 there was a draft area plan for this area.

782
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:53,960
 It was never really fully approved.

783
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,280
 It went through a number of public meetings,

784
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,160
 but we never really approved it.

785
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,960
 So I know that this is something that we desperately

786
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,000
 need for this area.

787
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,320
 We have seen-- the Planning Zoning Commission have seen

788
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,360
 developments happen in this area and have

789
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:13,160
 seen a lot of questions and issues related

790
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,360
 to compatibility, traffic.

791
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:17,160
 So again, an area that we definitely

792
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,200
 need to develop an area plan.

793
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:24,160
 Downtown Master Plan update.

794
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:29,800
 The last time this plan was approved was back in 2000.

795
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,200
 This area continues to grow.

796
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,520
 And again, as you already know, it

797
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,960
 abuts the southeast end neighborhood area.

798
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:39,640
 One of the challenges that we will have

799
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:43,080
 or one of the tasks that we will need to do

800
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:47,720
 is make sure that we find that compatibility area,

801
00:53:47,720 --> 00:53:50,280
 create that transition area, and make sure

802
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:54,960
 that both of these areas are represented

803
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,180
 and any issues that are created are addressed.

804
00:53:58,180 --> 00:54:00,520
 So through that area planning, that is something

805
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,160
 that we will do.

806
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:05,240
 We see development pressure, again, in the downtown.

807
00:54:05,240 --> 00:54:08,320
 The character of the downtown we want to maintain.

808
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,000
 We see infrastructure, mainly infrastructure.

809
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:16,200
 We know that the drainage in the area is being worked on.

810
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,920
 And again, there are approved developments happening today.

811
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,880
 And we are continuing to see more development proposals

812
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:27,800
 in this area, and it does affect other areas adjacent to them.

813
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:31,920
 So how do we make sure that those areas are also protected?

814
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:32,960
 Adjacent to this area.

815
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:40,480
 Number four is the area northwest of town.

816
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:47,360
 This is the area where Loop 288, I-35, 77,

817
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,040
 and to a certain degree, all of the light industrial,

818
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,560
 again, what we had discussed earlier, encompasses.

819
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,780
 We know that light industrial is a future land use designation

820
00:54:56,780 --> 00:55:00,320
 to the west of I-35 and then to the east.

821
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,240
 Continues to be business innovation.

822
00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:05,960
 That's a very high level designation.

823
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:07,440
 What is the vision for this area?

824
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,920
 And so again, the reasons for this area plan

825
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:11,880
 is, again, to refine what that vision is,

826
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,200
 to understand more specifically what that area or this area

827
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:16,320
 should be.

828
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,920
 It is a gateway into the city.

829
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,680
 We need to make sure that we create that identity of what

830
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,000
 we want visitors to see.

831
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,200
 We have a lot of development pressures.

832
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,880
 Not only non-residential, but also residential.

833
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:31,520
 Infrastructure challenges.

834
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,400
 There's not a whole lot happening in this area

835
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:34,680
 as far as infrastructure.

836
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,800
 So as development occurs, they're

837
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,640
 required to provide or bring to the site

838
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:45,320
 that infrastructure, water and wastewater specifically.

839
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:49,560
 Dallas Drive.

840
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,080
 Excuse me, Ron.

841
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:52,120
 Mr. Cole.

842
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:52,960
 Sorry, Ron.

843
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,560
 Thank you, Chair.

844
00:55:55,560 --> 00:56:01,680
 There is a House bill that is about to be reborn

845
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,160
 on de-annexation.

846
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,000
 And you just said something.

847
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,160
 This area has no infrastructure.

848
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:14,280
 So let's say, for sake of arguments,

849
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:18,240
 this House bill passes.

850
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:21,200
 And I can't remember the number House bill,

851
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,440
 but you know what I'm talking about.

852
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,360
 So if a city cannot provide infrastructure,

853
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:30,160
 that area will be able to basically de-annex.

854
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:35,520
 How does that fit into your overall strategy and planning?

855
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:39,680
 Because one of the hardest things we have as a city

856
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:46,360
 is that we're under something that I would call hyper growth.

857
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:50,000
 Five, maybe six municipalities in this country

858
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:55,160
 have seen the growth-- I mean, we have to redo our numbers

859
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,320
 every quarter, our growth numbers.

860
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,720
 I mean, the only thing I've seen close to this

861
00:56:59,720 --> 00:57:05,680
 would be the Atlanta suburbs of Duluth, Georgia in the '90s.

862
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,640
 I worked for a biotech company out of there.

863
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:08,720
 Commissioner Cole.

864
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:09,200
 Ma'am.

865
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:10,960
 We could be getting off topic.

866
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:11,720
 Oh, sorry.

867
00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:14,760
 No, if it's germane to this, that's great.

868
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:18,360
 Otherwise, you may have something

869
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,440
 to add to the matrix for a work session.

870
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:22,880
 Sure.

871
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:23,840
 Thank you, Chair.

872
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:25,960
 Thank you for that, Commissioner Cole.

873
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,640
 And we'll certainly make sure that we follow up

874
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,800
 on that as we do the area plan for this area.

875
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:38,240
 Dallas Drive, number five, I believe,

876
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:42,440
 related to an area plan or a corridor plan.

877
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:46,600
 I know that there is a difference between the two.

878
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,600
 An area plan is obviously a larger area,

879
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:53,680
 involves a lot of properties that may not necessarily

880
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:55,480
 be on a major corridor.

881
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,600
 This happens to be Dallas Drive.

882
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,240
 And for those that are familiar--

883
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,840
 I'm sure all of you are familiar with Dallas Drive--

884
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:03,240
 it needs a little help.

885
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,280
 And so not only on the private side,

886
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:06,520
 but also on the public side.

887
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,640
 And so not only will an area plan

888
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,200
 look at the private side of things,

889
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,960
 but we will also look at what can

890
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,680
 be done to improve the public side of this corridor.

891
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:21,520
 So again, something that we feel is necessary for a corridor

892
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:27,640
 plan to occur for this particular Dallas Drive.

893
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:30,200
 The next one is Fort Worth Drive, another entry

894
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,280
 into the city, another gateway into the city,

895
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,160
 similar to Dallas Drive.

896
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:35,040
 Needs some work.

897
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,480
 I know that there were some recent improvements

898
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:38,440
 with TxDOT.

899
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:41,520
 However, with that being said, there's

900
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,600
 still room for improvement.

901
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,320
 This is a very long corridor.

902
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,080
 And as we were looking at this the other day,

903
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,680
 it may be broken up into two sub-areas.

904
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:55,200
 One probably south of the railroad, down this way.

905
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,000
 And then maybe one north of that,

906
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:01,280
 because they definitely are two different characteristics.

907
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:02,840
 So this would be number six.

908
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:09,240
 Number seven and eight are commercial nodes.

909
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:12,920
 These are areas that we are also seeing

910
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:14,600
 some development pressures.

911
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:18,200
 But mainly, again, this is to really find out

912
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,840
 what this area should be as far as what that vision should

913
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,080
 be occurring in this area.

914
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:27,560
 It's a gateway into the city from the east.

915
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,840
 I'm sorry, 380, as you head west towards the city,

916
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,360
 this is one of the first commercial areas that you see.

917
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:37,440
 So how should this area be developed?

918
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,040
 How should this area be designed?

919
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:45,640
 How should this area look as you come into the city?

920
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:47,520
 There are some areas that can certainly

921
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,920
 serve as land preservation.

922
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,400
 But again, our opportunity here is

923
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,480
 to make sure that we have an area that's

924
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,920
 developed with the vision that we would like for this area.

925
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,400
 And the only way to do that more specifically and more refined

926
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,080
 is through an area plan.

927
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:08,880
 The same thing for this area, which is Loop 288, Mayhill,

928
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:10,320
 and McKinney.

929
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,200
 This area is a commercial area.

930
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:18,560
 I know that the area north of McKinney has seen--

931
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,880
 well, we haven't seen anything yet, but we will be.

932
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,240
 And we want to make sure that whatever development goes

933
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,960
 in there is representative of what we, the city,

934
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:29,520
 would like this area to develop in.

935
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:34,640
 Again, this is a commercial node between Loop 288, Mayhill,

936
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:38,980
 and McKinney, which are major arterials.

937
01:00:38,980 --> 01:00:44,340
 The last two are, again, 9 and 10 further down our ranking.

938
01:00:44,340 --> 01:00:46,640
 But we wanted to include it to kind of give you

939
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,200
 guys some ideas of other areas that potentially

940
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:50,840
 could be area plans.

941
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:52,960
 This is the Mayhill corridor.

942
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,520
 Similarly, it has seen some improvements,

943
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,360
 or you know it has improved.

944
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,880
 It is currently a four lane divided with a potential

945
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:02,520
 to go to six lane.

946
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:06,240
 We see a lot of activities here, but we can certainly

947
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,800
 see more guidance that we can provide

948
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:11,600
 as development continues.

949
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:15,120
 West of Mayhill can be more commercial.

950
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:18,200
 East of Mayhill could see more residential

951
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:21,360
 as it transitions further east to where there's

952
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,360
 more residential development.

953
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,960
 The last area plan that we have identified

954
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:29,040
 is the Sherman Drive area.

955
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,800
 And some of you may be looking at this and say, well,

956
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:35,240
 why do we even want to do a corridor plan for this area?

957
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:36,600
 It's primarily residential.

958
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:40,480
 What I can tell you is Sherman Drive in this segment of town

959
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,160
 is a wide street.

960
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:47,040
 There's opportunities for some mobility additions.

961
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,360
 And that could be a bike.

962
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:51,560
 It could be side paths.

963
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:55,440
 But really, just to bring this community a little bit more

964
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:59,880
 in tune as to why, or as to some of the improvements related

965
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:01,680
 to mobility.

966
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:06,000
 We also know that there's some commercial nodes at both ends

967
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,040
 of this corridor plan, and that's certainly

968
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:10,960
 something that we can also focus on as we study this area.

969
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:17,840
 And that's all of the top 10 ranking

970
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:21,440
 that the city has, or the staff has identified.

971
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:25,560
 What, again, we would like for you all is to give staff

972
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:32,120
 direction, or give your ranking on which area plan should be

973
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:35,320
 started first, second, third, and fourth.

974
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:38,200
 I think that is what we need to do.

975
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:42,280
 And I'll stand for any questions or listen to any comments.

976
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:43,280
 Awesome, thank you, Ron.

977
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:48,000
 It's exciting to see this in discussion.

978
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,400
 So why don't we do this?

979
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,960
 Why don't we ask questions first?

980
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:57,760
 And then, why don't we then go one by one?

981
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:01,400
 I'll call on everybody, and we can give maybe our top four,

982
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:03,360
 and then kind of take discussion from there.

983
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:04,960
 Does that make sense?

984
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:06,840
 OK, Commissioner Smith, question?

985
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:09,480
 Yeah, the only question then would be--

986
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,480
 I think there's only one area that we didn't identify

987
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:13,960
 that I think would be important.

988
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:18,120
 And it would be the west section of 380 west of 35.

989
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:20,120
 That being another major entryway into the city

990
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:22,040
 coming from Decatur and from the west.

991
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:24,280
 And so that wasn't an area that was on there.

992
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:28,560
 I think certainly there are some big pieces of corridors

993
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:30,520
 that weren't included, or that are included,

994
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:31,960
 that certainly need to be looked at.

995
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,160
 But that's probably the only blind spot

996
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:36,200
 that I think that we have on that map right now,

997
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:37,320
 is we don't have a--

998
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:38,960
 we're not accessing that area.

999
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:40,960
 So less of a question and more of a statement.

1000
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:41,680
 So I don't know if that was--

1001
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:43,200
 I don't think you guys considered that.

1002
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:44,320
 That's why I asked the question earlier.

1003
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:46,600
 I don't think you guys considered that area and said,

1004
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:49,840
 there's x, y, z reason why we shouldn't focus on that one.

1005
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:56,520
 No, again, we had our top area plans area selected.

1006
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:58,560
 I can tell you that this list is, again,

1007
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:00,160
 staff's recommendation.

1008
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,040
 We can certainly add to that if we need to.

1009
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:03,880
 And then ultimately, again, city council

1010
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:04,840
 will be presented that.

1011
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:05,520
 Yeah.

1012
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,840
 And I think just for a lot of the discussion and the ranking,

1013
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:10,120
 I think that we--

1014
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,480
 personally, I think that we should be focusing on areas

1015
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,160
 that have a lot of room for growth and development,

1016
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:17,160
 that we're facing a lot of development pressures.

1017
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:20,720
 It's not saying that the Sudna area or the downtown area

1018
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:23,080
 doesn't need to have a review.

1019
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:25,480
 But we don't see developers trying to buy up land

1020
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:29,640
 and get rezoning in the middle of southeast end right now.

1021
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,320
 We see some small spots zoning, but versus what

1022
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,320
 we're seeing northwest, what we're seeing up to 288

1023
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:37,560
 and Sherman, those areas are getting a lot of pressure.

1024
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,840
 And I think that should really be driving our prioritization

1025
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:42,800
 list of what we should be approaching first.

1026
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:43,320
 OK.

1027
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:44,320
 Wasn't so much a question.

1028
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:45,160
 Sorry, Margie.

1029
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,120
 That's OK.

1030
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:49,240
 Any questions?

1031
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:51,160
 Commissioner Pruitt?

1032
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:53,160
 Thank you, Chair.

1033
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:55,320
 And I promise I'll make them quick.

1034
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,680
 As far as prioritization and scheduling

1035
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:02,600
 with other activities going on, for instance, number 5, 7,

1036
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:05,240
 and 10, those corridors, specifically

1037
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:08,760
 their textile corridors that are potentially

1038
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:13,360
 on the turn back program and that sort of thing,

1039
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:17,120
 did staff consider the timing of those processes

1040
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:23,800
 to make sure that we are aligned and don't end up

1041
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,480
 doing something twice, if that makes sense?

1042
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:28,560
 And a similar question would be, I

1043
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:31,440
 think it would be most legitimate to the downtown area.

1044
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:37,600
 I know there's a master drainage study going on.

1045
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:40,800
 Basically, have we made sure that the schedules

1046
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:43,600
 of those activities align with when

1047
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:47,920
 we think the proposed priorities would line up with that?

1048
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,440
 So yeah, really briefly, we understand

1049
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:51,840
 that there are other plans.

1050
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:54,120
 There are other projects happening.

1051
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:57,760
 But we have to act now in some instances.

1052
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:00,640
 So to answer your first question,

1053
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:02,760
 yes, we did consider timing.

1054
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:07,360
 However, does it factor higher than other reasons?

1055
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:11,400
 Not as high as other factors.

1056
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,880
 I can tell you that one of the reasons

1057
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:15,960
 why you do these area plans is what you identify.

1058
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,400
 And maybe their schedule can be shifted earlier.

1059
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:21,720
 It could be later based on some of those discussions

1060
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:23,360
 that we have with the area planning.

1061
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:24,920
 Yeah, and if I could just interject,

1062
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:26,840
 I would think a lot of this kind of discussion

1063
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:29,640
 would happen when we were actually

1064
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:34,320
 in discussion to draw boundaries and whatnot if a small area

1065
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:35,680
 plan was going forward.

1066
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:38,720
 Obviously, those future plans with TxDOT and what have you

1067
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:43,440
 would certainly be obviously under discussion then

1068
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,080
 versus at this exact moment.

1069
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:46,680
 Thank you.

1070
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:48,640
 And then-- sorry.

1071
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,680
 I don't know what's in my throat here.

1072
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:53,840
 Allergies.

1073
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:56,880
 I don't know that it's been flagged out in the past.

1074
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:01,720
 But one area that could have a lot of development

1075
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:04,380
 in the future-- I think there have been previous applications--

1076
01:07:04,380 --> 01:07:08,360
 is that Pecan Creek area kind of north of Shady Oaks

1077
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:12,120
 between Woodrow and loop 288.

1078
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:17,120
 And I recall Tina Fergan saying, if we don't plan our city,

1079
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:18,920
 the developers will plan it for us.

1080
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:23,080
 So have we thought about what makes sense for that area

1081
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:29,320
 and if that needs to be melded with this process?

1082
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:30,000
 Yes.

1083
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:31,920
 We've had any number of conversations.

1084
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,080
 And I'm just going to say a couple of pieces

1085
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:36,040
 and let Ron continue.

1086
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,240
 I'm concerned with the time.

1087
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:41,400
 So we're at 6, 24, 5.

1088
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:43,480
 I don't know if this clock is jive.

1089
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:45,040
 So there's five minutes.

1090
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:46,880
 We can ultimately--

1091
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:47,440
 We have 10.

1092
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:48,600
 It's 6, 20.

1093
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:49,200
 OK, good.

1094
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:50,640
 Then that clock's wrong.

1095
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,680
 I'm sitting here watching this, getting very nervous.

1096
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:57,320
 We can reconvene this after the meeting

1097
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:58,560
 if we wanted to do that.

1098
01:07:58,560 --> 01:07:59,920
 And I don't know that everybody has

1099
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:02,520
 a level of comfort of being able to tally up their sheets

1100
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:05,400
 rather than going person by person.

1101
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:08,840
 We could take those sheets and then we could report back

1102
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:10,480
 if you wanted to do that.

1103
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:12,400
 I don't know how many more questions there

1104
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,440
 may be on this very topic.

1105
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:16,200
 Well, let's find out.

1106
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:19,680
 I want to echo just a couple more pieces of this.

1107
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:21,760
 Based on the feedback that we've received

1108
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:24,920
 between this commission and city council

1109
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:27,520
 is how we arrived at this list.

1110
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:31,840
 There are probably another 25 area plans

1111
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:36,240
 that we could do for varying reasons.

1112
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:42,760
 So from a big picture, these area plans are huge.

1113
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,200
 And there's a financial implication

1114
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:47,040
 to all of these plans.

1115
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:49,280
 And I will tell you that not one of these plans

1116
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:53,120
 will be produced for less than $100,000.

1117
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:56,600
 And it will take a considerable amount of time.

1118
01:08:56,600 --> 01:09:01,680
 So I don't want to mislead that we have 10 items here.

1119
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:03,600
 And that this is going to be achieved

1120
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:04,960
 in a short period of time.

1121
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:06,680
 So we've got to get the funding.

1122
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:09,000
 We've got to go to council.

1123
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:13,400
 What our goal is is to try to expedite and truly get

1124
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:18,080
 one or two plans that we can get in front of council and say,

1125
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:19,840
 we're going to need a quarter of a million.

1126
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:23,760
 We're going to need $300,000 to initiate these two

1127
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:26,080
 and to begin the work.

1128
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:30,000
 We will not stop evaluating or discussing.

1129
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:33,000
 And we can continue and we can bring specific work sessions

1130
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:37,440
 to talk about specific areas and delve into this further.

1131
01:09:37,440 --> 01:09:39,600
 But what we really need to achieve out of this

1132
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:42,600
 is what is the priority that we can take to council

1133
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:45,320
 and start getting to crunching the numbers to say,

1134
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:47,880
 we need some money, we need some resources,

1135
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:50,360
 and we need to be able to start working.

1136
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:56,160
 So the goal is, as great as I agree with the West Gateway,

1137
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:58,520
 I agree with the Shady Shores area,

1138
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:02,080
 I would add a couple of more in here personally.

1139
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:06,200
 If we can just try to narrow down some of these areas, what

1140
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:10,920
 we think are the top several, Ron mentioned the top five.

1141
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:13,320
 We won't touch the top five in the first year.

1142
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:14,680
 It's not possible.

1143
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:17,400
 We don't have the resources nor the money.

1144
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:21,000
 So if we can get to these top three, it would be ideal.

1145
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:25,400
 Ranking the top 10 is perfect so council has it.

1146
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:28,800
 If you need to tally these and then we can compile them later,

1147
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:30,360
 we're happy to do that.

1148
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:32,400
 Reconvene this meeting, whatever it might take.

1149
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:35,160
 And Madam Chair, however you want to do this.

1150
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:37,340
 I just wanted to kind of throw those pieces in there

1151
01:10:37,340 --> 01:10:40,000
 so it was clear and concise.

1152
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:41,200
 Thank you.

1153
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:43,000
 Thanks, Scott.

1154
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:49,960
 OK, any specific questions with regard to what we're needing?

1155
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:53,280
 Do you feel comfortable giving your top?

1156
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:55,800
 I mean, honestly, I don't really think you need much more

1157
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:58,400
 than a top three at this point.

1158
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:02,560
 So you can go forward, staff can, with recommendation

1159
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:06,280
 to city council so we can garner some support.

1160
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:07,800
 Are you comfortable doing that now

1161
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:09,920
 or do we need to come back after the public meeting?

1162
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:15,440
 Yes, I mean--

1163
01:11:15,440 --> 01:11:19,640
 Yeah, yeah, so I mean--

1164
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:21,600
 And ideally, I'd like the top 10.

1165
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:24,880
 So if you can rank them, rank them and we'll compile.

1166
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:25,680
 I'll do this.

1167
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:28,640
 I'll just start and then I'll call on you all, OK?

1168
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:32,720
 So I think the list is fantastic.

1169
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:34,840
 I even think the rank is great.

1170
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:38,000
 I would personally flip three and four.

1171
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:39,640
 We've had a lot of development pressure

1172
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:44,560
 up in that part of 35 and 77.

1173
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:49,200
 We had a development project that was denied and moved

1174
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:51,720
 to the other side of the freeway, as it should have.

1175
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:56,680
 But that area, I think, more than doing an update

1176
01:11:56,680 --> 01:12:00,600
 to downtown, which is important, but downtown is kind of always

1177
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:02,040
 going to happen and kind of be.

1178
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:05,760
 And to me, that doesn't need to be number three for me.

1179
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:09,200
 Obviously, Northeast, number one,

1180
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:12,280
 it's been a need for years.

1181
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:13,960
 I love that as number one.

1182
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:16,800
 Southeast Denton deserves to have some kind of plan

1183
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:18,160
 and preservation plan.

1184
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:22,040
 They've been begging for it, absolutely.

1185
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:24,760
 Let's keep that a top priority, in my opinion.

1186
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:26,920
 I would flip three and four, and I'm probably

1187
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:28,680
 good with the rest of it.

1188
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,400
 Ranked, so there's my two cents.

1189
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:34,360
 Commissioner Prudit.

1190
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:41,600
 1, 2, 3, 5, 4, 7, 6, 8, 9, 10.

1191
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:42,640
 Say that one more time.

1192
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:45,920
 Do that again, just so that they can tally for you.

1193
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:50,640
 1, 2, 3, 5, 4, 7, 6, 8, 9, 10.

1194
01:12:50,640 --> 01:13:01,800
 Commissioner Smith.

1195
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:04,520
 1-- I'm going to do it in the form of the Prudit format,

1196
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:06,680
 is what I'm going to call it.

1197
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:14,760
 1, 4, 2, 3, and then 5 through 10, stay in order.

1198
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:18,760
 And for me, yes, said none needs to be addressed.

1199
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:21,520
 We have, yes, Luke 288 Sherman has been the biggest--

1200
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:23,240
 has been the first place we had discussion

1201
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:24,920
 about small area plans.

1202
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:29,560
 The next one was whenever we saw the developments on '77

1203
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:31,080
 and saying we need a small area plan.

1204
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:33,600
 So it kind of seems a little bit apropos

1205
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,480
 for us to talk about small area plans,

1206
01:13:35,480 --> 01:13:38,000
 then the two we've had the biggest discussions about

1207
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:39,040
 not be addressed.

1208
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:41,920
 So we need to have that.

1209
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:43,560
 Commissioner McDade.

1210
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:47,280
 OK, I have no problem with 1 through 4,

1211
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:51,520
 but I would like to see number 8 moved up to number 5,

1212
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:54,880
 because that intersection, both of those intersections,

1213
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:57,840
 are very dangerous.

1214
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:04,440
 And I'm kind of amiss that I still

1215
01:14:04,440 --> 01:14:06,320
 see people trying to cross over.

1216
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:09,840
 You have all those apartments, that's a lot of pedestrians,

1217
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:12,680
 and I still see people trying to cross over.

1218
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:15,520
 And it's like this has been going on for years,

1219
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:18,120
 and I don't know why the city has done nothing about it.

1220
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:20,920
 I mean, Ryan High School has been there since '92,

1221
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:23,360
 and it took them 30 years to get a sidewalk.

1222
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:25,880
 [INAUDIBLE]

1223
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:28,080
 No, no, I mean, I can leave it as it is.

1224
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:29,560
 I will swap 5 and 8.

1225
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:30,080
 OK.

1226
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:31,160
 OK, 5 and 8.

1227
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:32,960
 Thank you.

1228
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:35,560
 Commissioner Cole.

1229
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:36,240
 Thank you, Chair.

1230
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:43,440
 I would flip 3 and 4 and keep the rest aside.

1231
01:14:43,440 --> 01:14:45,800
 Flip 3 and 4.

1232
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:49,000
 Commissioner Villarreal.

1233
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:55,360
 Yeah, 2, 1, 3, 4, 8, 9, 5, 6, 7, 10.

1234
01:14:55,360 --> 01:15:01,000
 Commissioner Anderson.

1235
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:04,880
 1, 7, 4, 2, 5, 8, 6, 3, 9, 10.

1236
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:11,240
 OK.

1237
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:12,600
 Do I need to repeat?

1238
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:14,280
 I think you got that.

1239
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:16,680
 OK.

1240
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:22,200
 OK, so I don't know where that is for consensus,

1241
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:26,000
 but you're going to tally that up and let us know.

1242
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:27,800
 Yeah, real quickly, from my results,

1243
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:32,320
 it's 1 and 2, basically, that rise to the top.

1244
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:33,560
 The way that staff has it.

1245
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:35,440
 Right, and then 4 and 3.

1246
01:15:35,440 --> 01:15:39,560
 Again, very close, but I think 4 and 3.

1247
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:40,560
 Do you have--

1248
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:44,960
 [INAUDIBLE]

1249
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:49,440
 So again, 1 and 2, and then there's

1250
01:15:49,440 --> 01:15:53,480
 a little bit of difference in 3 and 4, but--

1251
01:15:53,480 --> 01:15:54,880
 OK.

1252
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:58,640
 We can certainly see 4 being third.

1253
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:02,240
 And that gives you something to go forward with, counsel?

1254
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:02,800
 Yes, ma'am.

1255
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:03,680
 Right?

1256
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:05,160
 Yes, ma'am.

1257
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:05,800
 Awesome.

1258
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:07,160
 I appreciate it.

1259
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:09,480
 OK, thank you, everyone.

1260
01:16:09,480 --> 01:16:10,840
 Good job.

1261
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:14,280
 I'm going to adjourn us at 6.28 PM,

1262
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:17,240
 and we will convene very shortly in council chambers.

1263
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:17,740
 OK.

1264
01:16:17,740 --> 01:16:25,520
 Welcome to the City of Denton's Planning and Zoning Commission

1265
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:29,920
 meeting for Wednesday, March 23, 2022.

1266
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:34,280
 With the quorum present, I will call us to order at 6.35 PM.

1267
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:36,840
 Our first item on the agenda is the Pledge of Allegiance

1268
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:38,440
 to the US and Texas Flags.

1269
01:16:38,440 --> 01:16:46,360
 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America

1270
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:50,040
 and to the republic for which it stands, one nation,

1271
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:56,120
 under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

1272
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:59,080
 On the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance

1273
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:04,560
 to the Texas, one state, under God, one nation, indivisible.

1274
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:08,560
 Thank you.

1275
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:11,800
 Our second item on the agenda is our Consent Agenda.

1276
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:15,760
 Commissioner Smith?

1277
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:17,280
 Make a motion to approve.

1278
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:19,320
 We have a motion to approve the Consent Agenda.

1279
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:20,480
 Commissioner Villarreal?

1280
01:17:20,480 --> 01:17:21,360
 Second.

1281
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:24,160
 First and a second for approval of the Consent Agenda.

1282
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:26,840
 Any discussion?

1283
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:28,920
 Seeing none, we can vote on the board, please.

1284
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:37,640
 That motion carries 7-0.

1285
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:40,800
 That leads us to our items for individual consideration.

1286
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:44,720
 3A is FP21-0037.

1287
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:48,320
 I will call up Sean Jacobson for a presentation on this item.

1288
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:51,600
 Thank you.

1289
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:53,760
 Good evening, Madam Chair and members of the commission.

1290
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:58,000
 I'm going to go ahead and pull up our presentation here.

1291
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,160
 All right.

1292
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:06,960
 So tonight, I am presenting FP21-37A.

1293
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:13,120
 This is the Platt of Phase 1A of the Vintage Village Edition.

1294
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:16,600
 And staff is recommending approval with conditions,

1295
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:19,120
 with the following condition, which

1296
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:21,040
 is that all lots in Phase 1A must

1297
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:23,840
 be removed from the FEMA Zone AE floodplain

1298
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:26,280
 by a letter of map revision approved by FEMA

1299
01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:27,760
 and provided to the city of Denton,

1300
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:30,280
 including confirmation that no valid objections to the LOMA

1301
01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:33,440
 were received during the 90-day appeal period.

1302
01:18:33,440 --> 01:18:36,040
 And when that condition is met, if you

1303
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:37,640
 choose to approve with that condition,

1304
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:40,480
 this Platt will have to return to this body for approval

1305
01:18:40,480 --> 01:18:41,680
 fully without conditions.

1306
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:43,680
 So with that, I'm happy to answer any questions.

1307
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:44,800
 All right, thank you, Sean.

1308
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:46,120
 Any questions for Sean on this?

1309
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:50,680
 Commissioner Pruitt.

1310
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:57,240
 Move approval with the staff recommended

1311
01:18:57,240 --> 01:18:58,480
 conditions.

1312
01:18:58,480 --> 01:18:59,520
 Thank you, Commissioner Pruitt.

1313
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:00,240
 Commissioner Smith.

1314
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:01,000
 Second.

1315
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:05,000
 We've got a first and a second with staff conditions.

1316
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:08,280
 Any discussion?

1317
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:10,360
 OK, seeing none, let's vote on the board, please.

1318
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:20,200
 That motion carries 7-0.

1319
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:26,760
 That will take us to 3B, FP22-0006.

1320
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:28,400
 And that is Karina's item.

1321
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:35,280
 Hi, Karina.

1322
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:36,840
 Good evening.

1323
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:41,160
 The Platt before you is FP22-0006.

1324
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:44,200
 This is a final Platt for a single lot

1325
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:47,240
 for multifamily development on the east side of Loop 288,

1326
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:50,080
 just south of East McKinney Street.

1327
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:52,200
 Staff is recommending denial of this request,

1328
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:53,880
 as there are still a few items that they

1329
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:57,560
 need to address that do not meet our criteria.

1330
01:19:57,560 --> 01:19:59,840
 The applicant has already requested their 30-day

1331
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:02,680
 extension, so that is no longer available.

1332
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:05,120
 And with that, I can take any questions.

1333
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:06,440
 Thanks, Karina.

1334
01:20:06,440 --> 01:20:06,960
 Any questions?

1335
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:12,520
 Commissioner Villareal.

1336
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:15,520
 I move denial of the request.

1337
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:16,320
 Commissioner Cole.

1338
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:17,280
 Second.

1339
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:20,960
 We've got a first and a second for denial of this item.

1340
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:24,120
 Any discussion?

1341
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:26,120
 Seeing none, let's vote on the board, please.

1342
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:40,480
 That motion carries 7-0, leaving us to 3C, PP22-0004.

1343
01:20:40,480 --> 01:20:42,400
 And Julie's not here, but Sean is.

1344
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:48,840
 All right.

1345
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:52,920
 So on behalf of Julie, staff is recommending denial

1346
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:54,280
 of this Platt, as it does not meet

1347
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:57,320
 the criteria for approval.

1348
01:20:57,320 --> 01:20:59,800
 I think we had a change in that, did we not?

1349
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:00,480
 Oh, I'm sorry.

1350
01:21:00,480 --> 01:21:02,200
 There was a last minute change to this Platt.

1351
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:03,120
 There was very late today.

1352
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:03,880
 My apologies.

1353
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:05,560
 Incorrect.

1354
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:08,160
 Yes, this Platt is now recommended for approval.

1355
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:10,000
 Yeah, this was the original in our backup,

1356
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:12,040
 but it was emailed the updated--

1357
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:15,040
 Correct, yes, just before the work session started.

1358
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:16,520
 Thanks, Sean.

1359
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:19,960
 Any questions on that?

1360
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:23,720
 OK, so staff's recommendation for this Platt is approval.

1361
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:24,400
 Correct.

1362
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:25,280
 OK.

1363
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:26,880
 Commissioner Villarreal?

1364
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:28,400
 I move approval of the request.

1365
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:29,400
 OK, Commissioner Cole?

1366
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:30,080
 Second.

1367
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:31,880
 All right, we've got a first and a second

1368
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:34,240
 for approval of this preliminary Platt.

1369
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:36,320
 Any questions?

1370
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:37,960
 OK, let's vote on the board, please.

1371
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:45,200
 Motion carries 7-0.

1372
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:50,320
 3D is next, FP21-0030.

1373
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:51,960
 Hello again, Sean.

1374
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:52,600
 Good to be back.

1375
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:58,960
 All right, so we'll just go to--

1376
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:03,040
 this is-- get to the right one here--

1377
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:08,680
 FP21-30, which is the Platt of Phase 1 of the Vintage Village

1378
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:11,960
 Edition, which is the larger portion of what we approved

1379
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:13,480
 with conditions earlier.

1380
01:22:13,480 --> 01:22:15,680
 Staff is recommending full approval of this Platt

1381
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:17,720
 as it does meet all criteria for approval.

1382
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:19,080
 Happy to answer any questions.

1383
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:20,480
 Thank you.

1384
01:22:20,480 --> 01:22:21,640
 Any questions for Sean?

1385
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:24,920
 OK, I don't see any.

1386
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:25,440
 Thank you.

1387
01:22:25,440 --> 01:22:26,880
 Commissioner Smith?

1388
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:27,960
 Make a motion to approve.

1389
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:29,160
 Commissioner Anderson?

1390
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:30,440
 Second.

1391
01:22:30,440 --> 01:22:33,200
 OK, we've got a first and a second for approval.

1392
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:35,320
 Any discussion?

1393
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:37,080
 Seeing no, let's vote on the board, please.

1394
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:46,040
 Motion carries 7-0.

1395
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:52,400
 We'll bring us to 3E, PP22-0002.

1396
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:55,120
 And I will invite Lisa up for this item.

1397
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:59,360
 Hi, Lisa.

1398
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:00,720
 Good evening, commissioners.

1399
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:13,360
 Lisa Peng, principal planner for the city of Denton.

1400
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:15,120
 The item before you is a preliminary Platt

1401
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:19,320
 for a multifamily development on Mayhill Road

1402
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:21,760
 and the future Rory Road.

1403
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:24,640
 Staff is recommending denial as it does not

1404
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:26,800
 meet the established criteria for approval,

1405
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:30,640
 but the applicant has requested a 30-day extension, which

1406
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:36,440
 staff has no problem with coming back on April 13 to P&Z.

1407
01:23:36,440 --> 01:23:37,560
 Thank you.

1408
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:40,960
 Any questions for Lisa on this?

1409
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:41,680
 I don't see any.

1410
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:44,080
 Thank you, Commissioner Villarreal?

1411
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:47,560
 I move approval of the extension to the date certain of April

1412
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:48,720
 13, was it?

1413
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:50,360
 Correct.

1414
01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:51,000
 Commissioner Cole?

1415
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:51,880
 Second.

1416
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:53,560
 All right, we've got a first and a second

1417
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:57,360
 to approve the extension request to a date certain of April 13.

1418
01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:00,320
 Any discussion?

1419
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:01,960
 Seeing none, let's vote, please.

1420
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:10,160
 Motion carries 7-0.

1421
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:11,600
 That takes us to 3F.

1422
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:15,480
 PP 22-0006.

1423
01:24:15,480 --> 01:24:17,920
 Lisa, you're back.

1424
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:20,400
 I'm back.

1425
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:22,520
 All right.

1426
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:29,520
 So for this one, this is an item for a preliminary Platt

1427
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:33,080
 for self-storage development at Hickory Creek Road

1428
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:35,160
 and Teasley Lane.

1429
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:37,480
 Staff is recommending denial as it does not

1430
01:24:37,480 --> 01:24:39,600
 meet all the criteria yet, but they

1431
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:45,560
 have-- words.

1432
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:49,640
 They have requested an extension so that they can have time

1433
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:52,560
 to take care of all the comments.

1434
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:56,200
 So I know we have no objection to the April 13 meeting.

1435
01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:57,560
 Thank you.

1436
01:24:57,560 --> 01:24:58,480
 Questions for Lisa?

1437
01:24:58,480 --> 01:25:02,280
 Thanks, Lisa.

1438
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:03,560
 Commissioner Smith?

1439
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:05,800
 Make a motion to approve the extension of date certain

1440
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:07,040
 of April 13, 2022.

1441
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:07,880
 Commissioner Cole?

1442
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:08,720
 Second.

1443
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:11,040
 OK, we've got a first and a second

1444
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:14,400
 to grant the extension request to a date

1445
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:18,200
 certain of April 13 discussion.

1446
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:19,880
 OK, let's vote on the board, please.

1447
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:28,240
 The motion carries 7-0.

1448
01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:31,560
 That will take us to our public hearings portion

1449
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:33,480
 of the meeting for tonight.

1450
01:25:33,480 --> 01:25:38,960
 First one is 4A, S20-0009.

1451
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:41,160
 I will invite Ron up for presentation

1452
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:42,600
 and open the public hearing.

1453
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:46,920
 Hi, Ron.

1454
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:47,720
 Good evening.

1455
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:49,880
 I'm Madam Chair, members of the commission, Ron Nogito,

1456
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:52,920
 principal planner with Development Services,

1457
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:58,760
 presenting to you today a specific use permit request.

1458
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:03,000
 The request for you all today is a specific use

1459
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:06,040
 permit to allow a townhome use.

1460
01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:10,040
 The area that is being proposed is shown here

1461
01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:12,720
 on this slide in yellow.

1462
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:16,200
 It is generally located just west of Mayhill Road,

1463
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:21,600
 approximately 825 feet south of Providence Parkway.

1464
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:25,680
 The proposal is for 41 townhome lots

1465
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:28,600
 and one large open space lot.

1466
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:34,960
 The approximate acreage is approximately 8.382 acres.

1467
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:37,200
 Looking at the comprehensive plan

1468
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:43,480
 and the future land use map that is,

1469
01:26:43,480 --> 01:26:47,040
 the area is shown both in moderate residential

1470
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:49,160
 as well as business innovation.

1471
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:51,040
 But I can tell you that the majority of it

1472
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:52,920
 is in moderate residential.

1473
01:26:52,920 --> 01:27:00,240
 The map has a little flare with it regarding the buffering,

1474
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:02,680
 so it is more of a moderate residential.

1475
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:08,160
 What does allow for townhome lots, the density

1476
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:12,480
 that's prescribed for this area is 4 to 12 dwelling

1477
01:27:12,480 --> 01:27:13,760
 units per acre.

1478
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:18,560
 And again, it does allow for low-rise multifamily dwellings

1479
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:21,600
 and townhomes.

1480
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:24,600
 The zoning of the property is zone R4,

1481
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:26,720
 which is residential 4.

1482
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:29,760
 Townhomes are permitted in the R4 zoning district

1483
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:33,360
 with an approved specific use permit,

1484
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:36,200
 as well as use specific standards.

1485
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:38,400
 Staff has reviewed the site plan,

1486
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:40,320
 which we'll see in a couple of seconds here,

1487
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:44,360
 and made sure that they meet the minimum lot dimensions.

1488
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:46,840
 Maximum height of their buildings

1489
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:49,880
 is 40 feet under the R4 zoning district.

1490
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:52,080
 50% building coverage.

1491
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:54,680
 And again, staff has looked at their landscaping

1492
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:57,160
 and their street tree requirements.

1493
01:27:57,160 --> 01:27:59,560
 And again, I've got a slide that illustrates

1494
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:00,800
 their landscaping plan.

1495
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:06,120
 And again, they've met all of those requirements.

1496
01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:10,360
 This is the site plan of the proposed townhome development.

1497
01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:15,640
 As you can see, it's shown here on both sides of street A.

1498
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:17,360
 They haven't identified the street yet.

1499
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:18,960
 However, during the platting stages,

1500
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:22,680
 that's when it will be developed or it will be named.

1501
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:24,800
 Really quickly, again, we've already

1502
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:30,000
 talked about the R4, 41 townhome lots.

1503
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:33,560
 They've indicated it will be two stories.

1504
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:37,200
 The minimum lot area is 2,200.

1505
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:41,880
 Required minimum lot is 2,000, so they're above that.

1506
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:45,240
 They are also above the minimum lot width,

1507
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:47,600
 as well as the minimum lot depth.

1508
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:50,280
 The size of their open space is significant.

1509
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:52,680
 As you can see from this site plan,

1510
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:55,000
 it's primarily all of this lot here.

1511
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:58,200
 And it wraps around to the west and makes its way

1512
01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:00,320
 up in this direction.

1513
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:07,320
 This area is primarily ESA, as well as some floodplain or floodway

1514
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:08,040
 area.

1515
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:11,520
 So therefore, they're prescribing this area

1516
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:15,440
 to be more of open space.

1517
01:29:15,440 --> 01:29:16,880
 This is their landscape plan.

1518
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:20,400
 And again, just to show where those street trees are

1519
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:23,040
 going to be located, they are required

1520
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:27,840
 to plant one large shade tree per dwelling,

1521
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:30,560
 as well as street trees on an average

1522
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:35,000
 of 30 feet of linear feet on the street frontage.

1523
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:39,400
 They're also required to provide the 30% front yard landscaping

1524
01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:41,800
 and 20% rear yard landscaping.

1525
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:47,880
 Now, they don't show their buildings, but their landscaping

1526
01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:51,400
 requirements are that they provide that minimum landscape

1527
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:54,400
 area in the front, as well as in the rear.

1528
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:59,400
 And that will be reviewed during their building permit stage.

1529
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:02,680
 Staff has reviewed the application

1530
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:06,040
 against the criteria for approval, Section 245E,

1531
01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:11,920
 as well as 252D, and has determined

1532
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:16,960
 that the plan does comply or is consistent with the comprehensive

1533
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:18,040
 plan.

1534
01:30:18,040 --> 01:30:20,400
 It, again, is moderate residential.

1535
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:23,400
 It complies with the development code, as we discussed earlier.

1536
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:25,200
 They meet the requirements.

1537
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:28,000
 They also comply with the utility service and improvement

1538
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:28,960
 standards.

1539
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:32,400
 Our engineering department has reviewed the utility capacity

1540
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:35,400
 for the area, and they do comply with that.

1541
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:38,960
 And again, one of the main corridors in this area

1542
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:43,960
 is Mayhill Road, and they are just west of Mayhill Road.

1543
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:46,960
 Notifications were sent out to the areas

1544
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:48,480
 that you see on this map.

1545
01:30:48,480 --> 01:30:50,240
 As of this afternoon, staff has not

1546
01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:52,640
 received any written responses.

1547
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:57,120
 Staff has received emails and phone calls,

1548
01:30:57,120 --> 01:31:00,400
 but there were more questions about what's being proposed.

1549
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:02,760
 So nothing in terms of a response,

1550
01:31:02,760 --> 01:31:07,200
 either in favor or in opposition.

1551
01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:11,120
 The applicant has not held a neighborhood meeting.

1552
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:14,680
 Again, this is the notification that was prepared.

1553
01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:17,920
 Staff is recommending approval as it meets the criteria

1554
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:21,880
 for approval, as indicated earlier in the presentation,

1555
01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:23,080
 with a condition.

1556
01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:26,040
 And the condition is as follows.

1557
01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:28,880
 Any amendments to the site plan and landscape plan

1558
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:32,800
 related to the increasing of the number of lots,

1559
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:36,800
 the change of the lot layout, changes of the street layout,

1560
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:39,720
 or decrease of the area of open space

1561
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:43,800
 shall require a specific use permit amendment in accordance

1562
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:45,440
 with the DDC.

1563
01:31:45,440 --> 01:31:48,760
 So again, we want to make sure what is being presented

1564
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:53,040
 is going to be built under their proposed site plan

1565
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:54,480
 and landscape plan.

1566
01:31:54,480 --> 01:31:56,280
 And that concludes my presentation.

1567
01:31:56,280 --> 01:31:58,400
 I'll stand for any questions.

1568
01:31:58,400 --> 01:31:59,960
 - Thank you, Rome.

1569
01:31:59,960 --> 01:32:01,200
 Any questions for Rome?

1570
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:03,600
 Commissioner Pruitt?

1571
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:04,600
 - Thank you, Chair.

1572
01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:07,240
 Is there a particular concern that staff has,

1573
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:08,960
 which is why they want to,

1574
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:12,200
 or why the recommendation is to ensure

1575
01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:15,080
 that nothing changes based on the site plan?

1576
01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:18,080
 - No, I think the reason we do that

1577
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:21,480
 and specific use permits are really tied

1578
01:32:21,480 --> 01:32:24,640
 to some conditions, you know.

1579
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:26,560
 We want to make sure that the development

1580
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:29,080
 that's being presented will not change.

1581
01:32:29,080 --> 01:32:30,840
 I don't think we have any concerns.

1582
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:32,400
 I don't think there'll be any changes,

1583
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:34,600
 but we just want to make sure that we stipulate

1584
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:37,920
 that any changes will require a new specific use permit.

1585
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:39,800
 - Okay, thank you.

1586
01:32:39,800 --> 01:32:43,520
 - Any other questions for Rome?

1587
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:47,160
 I don't see any right now, Rome.

1588
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:48,840
 Thank you.

1589
01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:50,120
 This is a public hearing.

1590
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:52,520
 I don't have any cards to speak on this item,

1591
01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:56,440
 but anyone is able to speak

1592
01:32:56,440 --> 01:32:59,120
 if they feel they would like to.

1593
01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:03,000
 Yeah, if you'll come up and give us your name and address.

1594
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:03,840
 Please.

1595
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:04,660
 - I just, I apologize.

1596
01:33:04,660 --> 01:33:06,120
 I was looking to see if the applicant was here

1597
01:33:06,120 --> 01:33:09,200
 and maybe they wanted to speak, but they haven't.

1598
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:11,200
 - Okay.

1599
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:15,960
 - They didn't fill out a card, so I assume that they--

1600
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:16,800
 - No, I did not.

1601
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:18,200
 Yeah, I do not have any cards.

1602
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:23,120
 - Good evening, Madam Chairman, members of the commission.

1603
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:25,600
 My name's Warren Corwin with Corwin Engineering.

1604
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:29,880
 Ron's done a great job of showing you what we're going to do.

1605
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:32,040
 I just want to know we're here to answer any questions.

1606
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:34,520
 So if you have any, we'd be happy to answer them,

1607
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:38,120
 but no reason to go through what he just went through.

1608
01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:38,960
 - Thank you.

1609
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:42,120
 I think we do have a question, Commissioner Perutt.

1610
01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:43,280
 You're still on the board now.

1611
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:45,760
 Okay, any questions for the applicant?

1612
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:48,480
 Okay, I don't see any.

1613
01:33:48,480 --> 01:33:49,320
 Thank you.

1614
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:56,440
 - Hello.

1615
01:33:56,440 --> 01:33:57,640
 - Good evening, board members.

1616
01:33:57,640 --> 01:33:58,960
 My name is Paula Buckley,

1617
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:01,960
 and I live at 950 North May Hill Road,

1618
01:34:01,960 --> 01:34:03,760
 which is directly across the street

1619
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:06,280
 from where this is going to be planned, okay?

1620
01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:09,480
 My question is, is that, yes,

1621
01:34:09,480 --> 01:34:11,560
 I know there's a floodplain there.

1622
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:15,280
 What is going to be done to that floodplain area

1623
01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:17,040
 that they're going to leave open?

1624
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:19,480
 Because there are two creeks that run through that,

1625
01:34:19,480 --> 01:34:21,720
 it runs all the way through the floodplain.

1626
01:34:21,720 --> 01:34:22,560
 - Okay.

1627
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:25,760
 - Because there are two creeks that run through that,

1628
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:28,560
 it runs across, underneath the May Hill Road,

1629
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:32,760
 and then comes across to us on the east side, okay?

1630
01:34:32,760 --> 01:34:34,960
 When North May Hill Road was rebuilt

1631
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:36,960
 over this past several years,

1632
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:39,760
 they raised it up for probably about three foot.

1633
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:42,120
 Now people's houses that live directly

1634
01:34:42,120 --> 01:34:43,920
 on the other side of that get flooded

1635
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:46,200
 every time we have a main flood,

1636
01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:48,000
 where they get water in their house.

1637
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:53,000
 So what I would like to know is, do you have a contingency

1638
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:55,600
 plan for this, or are we going to make sure

1639
01:34:55,600 --> 01:35:00,000
 that not just the development of that community,

1640
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:03,440
 new community coming in and benefiting them,

1641
01:35:03,440 --> 01:35:05,720
 but to make sure it's not a detriment

1642
01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:09,040
 to those of us that have been there 50 plus years?

1643
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:12,360
 It's the same place, and that is all.

1644
01:35:12,360 --> 01:35:14,760
 - Thank you, we will bring staff up to answer your question.

1645
01:35:14,760 --> 01:35:16,360
 Thank you for sharing your thoughts

1646
01:35:16,360 --> 01:35:18,960
 and concerns and questions, appreciate it.

1647
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:23,960
 - Yes, just to answer the drainage question concern.

1648
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:26,040
 As we all know, May Hill has been improved,

1649
01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:29,440
 and some of that activity may have changed

1650
01:35:29,440 --> 01:35:32,680
 some of the flow of drainage there.

1651
01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:35,960
 But what I can tell you is that as this development

1652
01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:38,880
 continues through the development review process,

1653
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:41,680
 there will be steps in terms of platting

1654
01:35:41,680 --> 01:35:43,080
 of what will be required,

1655
01:35:43,080 --> 01:35:45,440
 and typically during the platting stage,

1656
01:35:45,440 --> 01:35:50,440
 we will then analyze the drainage situation.

1657
01:35:50,440 --> 01:35:54,520
 We as a city have standards to not impact

1658
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:56,880
 additional adjacent properties,

1659
01:35:56,880 --> 01:36:01,040
 so therefore any mitigation that needs to occur will happen.

1660
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:04,560
 They, the applicant has set aside a large number

1661
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:08,560
 or large area of drainage, so that is one of the areas

1662
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:11,320
 that could potentially be a detention pond.

1663
01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:16,000
 So again, everything would be reviewed and addressed

1664
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:19,840
 in terms of drainage and other engineering requirements

1665
01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:22,040
 through the platting stage of this project.

1666
01:36:22,040 --> 01:36:25,280
 - Thank you, Ron.

1667
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:28,200
 Commissioner Anderson.

1668
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:31,680
 - Thanks, thanks Chair, but I do have a question.

1669
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:35,080
 She mentioned that there's already drainage issues,

1670
01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:36,680
 not future drainage.

1671
01:36:36,680 --> 01:36:39,600
 We understand that for future we're gonna take care of that,

1672
01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:41,560
 but what are we gonna, I mean, how can we mitigate

1673
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:43,720
 what the issues they're having already presently?

1674
01:36:43,720 --> 01:36:47,480
 - Right, and what I heard was as a result

1675
01:36:47,480 --> 01:36:51,480
 of maybe the Mayhill widening project,

1676
01:36:51,480 --> 01:36:53,480
 what I can do is I can get her number,

1677
01:36:53,480 --> 01:36:56,640
 and we can follow up and see if there's anything

1678
01:36:56,640 --> 01:37:00,000
 that we can do to address as far as what had resulted

1679
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:01,880
 from the Mayhill widening project.

1680
01:37:01,880 --> 01:37:03,360
 - That'd be good, I appreciate it, thank you.

1681
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:05,240
 - Thank you, Ron. - Does that help you out, ma'am?

1682
01:37:05,240 --> 01:37:06,680
 - Yes, it does. - All right.

1683
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:07,520
 - Thank you.

1684
01:37:09,120 --> 01:37:10,640
 - Okay, this is a public hearing.

1685
01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:12,720
 Again, I don't have any comment cards

1686
01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:14,840
 in front of me to speak, but anyone here

1687
01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:18,760
 is able to speak if they wish to on this item.

1688
01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:23,880
 Staff, do we have anyone on the phone?

1689
01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:28,560
 - We do not have anyone on the phone.

1690
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:30,360
 - Thank you very much.

1691
01:37:30,360 --> 01:37:32,120
 Okay, seeing no further speakers,

1692
01:37:32,120 --> 01:37:34,600
 I will go ahead and close the public hearing

1693
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:37,440
 and open the floor for discussion or a motion.

1694
01:37:37,440 --> 01:37:39,000
 Commissioner Smith.

1695
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:41,720
 - Make a motion to approve the staff recommendations.

1696
01:37:41,720 --> 01:37:43,360
 - Commissioner Pruitt.

1697
01:37:43,360 --> 01:37:44,600
 - I'll second.

1698
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:46,520
 - Okay, we've got a first and a second

1699
01:37:46,520 --> 01:37:51,520
 for approval of this request with the noted staff condition.

1700
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:53,280
 Any discussion?

1701
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:57,440
 Okay, let's vote on the board, please.

1702
01:37:57,440 --> 01:38:05,160
 That motion carries seven, zero.

1703
01:38:05,160 --> 01:38:10,160
 That will move us to 4B, PD 20007.

1704
01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:14,960
 And I will invite Karina up for presentation

1705
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:16,320
 and open the public hearing.

1706
01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:30,920
 Hi, Karina. - Hi.

1707
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:33,240
 Sorry, you have to give me a while to walk over here.

1708
01:38:33,240 --> 01:38:34,080
 - No worries.

1709
01:38:35,160 --> 01:38:37,740
 (mouse clicks)

1710
01:38:37,740 --> 01:38:43,680
 All right, thank you, Chair, commissioners.

1711
01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:46,200
 The item before you today is a public hearing,

1712
01:38:46,200 --> 01:38:49,040
 PD 20-0007.

1713
01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:51,080
 This is a love first community village.

1714
01:38:51,080 --> 01:38:58,080
 The request today is to rezone approximately 15.9 acres

1715
01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:02,120
 from the current R7 district to a planned development

1716
01:39:02,120 --> 01:39:04,760
 with a base zoning of MN district.

1717
01:39:05,320 --> 01:39:08,280
 Specifically for a transitional housing use.

1718
01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:11,040
 This is a definition added specifically

1719
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:15,640
 for this plan development defined as temporary housing

1720
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:17,520
 and supportive services that are operated

1721
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:21,200
 by a nonprofit organization intended for at-risk families

1722
01:39:21,200 --> 01:39:23,720
 who are experiencing financial burdens

1723
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:26,960
 that have led to or may lead to homelessness.

1724
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:29,760
 It's not intended to serve as a homeless shelter

1725
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:32,280
 or a group home, and it does allow

1726
01:39:32,280 --> 01:39:36,240
 for accessory amenity center and recreational amenities.

1727
01:39:36,240 --> 01:39:39,000
 Those are also defined within the PD.

1728
01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:41,760
 I did wanna make a note based on work session

1729
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:43,920
 after speaking with the applicant

1730
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:47,320
 about the definition of temporary housing

1731
01:39:47,320 --> 01:39:50,360
 that we will, we're intending to tweak the definition

1732
01:39:50,360 --> 01:39:53,520
 in the PD if it pleases the commission.

1733
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:58,520
 Two language, and I can read that off the slight deviations,

1734
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:03,160
 which would just change the definition

1735
01:40:03,160 --> 01:40:08,160
 to remove the section that states operated

1736
01:40:08,160 --> 01:40:12,760
 as a nonprofit organization as well as indicate

1737
01:40:12,760 --> 01:40:15,880
 that transitional housing is defined

1738
01:40:15,880 --> 01:40:18,720
 as temporary housing for clients transitioning

1739
01:40:18,720 --> 01:40:23,560
 to permanent housing for no less than 24 months

1740
01:40:23,560 --> 01:40:25,480
 as defined by HUD.

1741
01:40:25,480 --> 01:40:30,360
 So as defined by HUD allows the transitional housing use

1742
01:40:30,360 --> 01:40:33,760
 to be between or no more than 24 months

1743
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:38,360
 or as extended or as needed.

1744
01:40:38,360 --> 01:40:40,360
 So after speaking with the applicant,

1745
01:40:40,360 --> 01:40:42,160
 it would be between two to five years,

1746
01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:45,880
 but sticking to the HUD definition,

1747
01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:50,240
 so that is the national definition of transitional housing.

1748
01:40:50,240 --> 01:40:52,680
 The rest of the definition would remain the same,

1749
01:40:52,680 --> 01:40:56,560
 and we can circulate that revised definition.

1750
01:40:56,560 --> 01:41:00,680
 I had Scott help me during the break,

1751
01:41:00,680 --> 01:41:05,680
 but we can circulate that momentarily.

1752
01:41:05,680 --> 01:41:09,800
 So just to wanna flag that between work session and now.

1753
01:41:09,800 --> 01:41:11,480
 So going back to the site,

1754
01:41:11,480 --> 01:41:13,520
 the site is located on the south side

1755
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:17,720
 of East McKinney Street, East of Mayhill Road,

1756
01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:20,160
 I've highlighted that in red for you.

1757
01:41:20,160 --> 01:41:22,520
 The surrounding development for this property

1758
01:41:22,520 --> 01:41:24,720
 is residential, you can see that in the yellow

1759
01:41:24,720 --> 01:41:27,800
 shown on the screen, that is low residential

1760
01:41:27,800 --> 01:41:31,400
 existing development on the north side

1761
01:41:31,400 --> 01:41:33,960
 and on the east side of the property.

1762
01:41:33,960 --> 01:41:36,400
 They're also adjacent to Ryan High School,

1763
01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:37,960
 they're just right caddy corner to it,

1764
01:41:37,960 --> 01:41:41,720
 there's an existing light at that corner.

1765
01:41:41,720 --> 01:41:46,480
 Also adjacent to it on the south side

1766
01:41:46,480 --> 01:41:49,000
 is government-owned facilities.

1767
01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:52,840
 So the Texas DPS facility that was recently constructed

1768
01:41:52,840 --> 01:41:55,400
 is at the hard corner of Mayhill and East McKinney.

1769
01:41:55,400 --> 01:41:59,960
 Directly to the south is existing FEMA flood plain.

1770
01:41:59,960 --> 01:42:02,280
 However, that is parks property

1771
01:42:02,280 --> 01:42:04,560
 where a future trail is to be located.

1772
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:09,520
 Directly west of the property, if you can recall,

1773
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:11,360
 there was an approved specific use permit

1774
01:42:11,360 --> 01:42:13,680
 for multifamily on that site.

1775
01:42:13,680 --> 01:42:15,920
 It's still in the development review process,

1776
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:19,560
 but it is intended to start construction soon,

1777
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:23,360
 so that wasn't SUP approved for multifamily.

1778
01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:25,360
 Also on the north side is religious assembly

1779
01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:27,760
 that is existing as well as a few parcels

1780
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:31,640
 of undeveloped land within the residential two district.

1781
01:42:31,640 --> 01:42:35,600
 For the future land use, as you know,

1782
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:40,600
 the Denton plan, the Denton 2040 comprehensive plan,

1783
01:42:40,600 --> 01:42:44,640
 excuse me, was just adopted yesterday by council.

1784
01:42:44,640 --> 01:42:46,600
 So on this slide, you'll actually see

1785
01:42:46,600 --> 01:42:50,080
 the previous designation

1786
01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:52,960
 as well as the current designation as of yesterday.

1787
01:42:52,960 --> 01:42:55,360
 So under the Denton plan 2030,

1788
01:42:55,360 --> 01:42:59,040
 the site was designated for moderate density residential

1789
01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:02,080
 as well as community mixed use, excuse me,

1790
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:05,600
 that moderate density residential is intended

1791
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:07,920
 to serve compact single family neighborhoods

1792
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:10,400
 as well as low rise multifamily

1793
01:43:10,400 --> 01:43:13,320
 with any certain density of four to 12 dwelling units

1794
01:43:13,320 --> 01:43:14,320
 per acre.

1795
01:43:14,320 --> 01:43:17,600
 It encourages a variety of housing styles

1796
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:20,720
 that are adjacent to retail parks and schools.

1797
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:23,440
 The community mixed use is intended

1798
01:43:23,440 --> 01:43:27,040
 for that retail service component as well as offices

1799
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:29,040
 where residential is complimentary.

1800
01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:32,440
 That did not change in the 2040 plan.

1801
01:43:32,440 --> 01:43:33,840
 You can see that community mixed use

1802
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:35,600
 is still the designation.

1803
01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:37,600
 So it's consistent with both plans.

1804
01:43:37,600 --> 01:43:41,720
 In addition to the future land use designation,

1805
01:43:41,720 --> 01:43:45,760
 this project does comply with goal HN1

1806
01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:48,680
 in our housing element of both plans,

1807
01:43:48,680 --> 01:43:52,680
 the previous and current future land use plan.

1808
01:43:52,680 --> 01:43:58,640
 Goal HN1 is to develop and maintain a housing stock

1809
01:43:58,640 --> 01:44:01,440
 that meets the needs of all residences

1810
01:44:01,440 --> 01:44:03,840
 within a diverse array of choices

1811
01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:05,920
 and type, cost, and location.

1812
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:08,240
 And so as you can see, the proposed development

1813
01:44:08,240 --> 01:44:12,880
 or proposed PD does conform to both those comprehensive plans.

1814
01:44:12,880 --> 01:44:14,760
 It's proposing a maximum density

1815
01:44:14,760 --> 01:44:16,720
 of 3.5 dwelling units per acre,

1816
01:44:16,720 --> 01:44:19,600
 so keeping it at a low residential mix.

1817
01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:23,480
 It is community oriented with some mixed use.

1818
01:44:23,480 --> 01:44:25,680
 It offers a residential component

1819
01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:28,720
 as well as a non-residential component

1820
01:44:28,720 --> 01:44:33,720
 of that daycare use and office use on the north side.

1821
01:44:33,720 --> 01:44:37,680
 And it does provide that affordable housing product

1822
01:44:37,680 --> 01:44:41,240
 for families experiencing financial difficulties,

1823
01:44:41,240 --> 01:44:43,880
 those that are at risk of homelessness.

1824
01:44:43,880 --> 01:44:47,480
 So just going over the plan just very briefly,

1825
01:44:47,480 --> 01:44:52,200
 this is the development plan associated with the PD.

1826
01:44:52,200 --> 01:44:54,480
 I've provided some conceptual elevations.

1827
01:44:54,480 --> 01:44:55,640
 The applicant is here today

1828
01:44:55,640 --> 01:44:58,040
 and they'll give a presentation after

1829
01:44:58,040 --> 01:45:00,200
 with more specific details.

1830
01:45:00,200 --> 01:45:03,640
 But this is a mixed use development

1831
01:45:03,640 --> 01:45:07,440
 in which they're proposing 53 dwelling units.

1832
01:45:07,440 --> 01:45:08,560
 That is a mixed density

1833
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:11,000
 that includes multifamily buildings.

1834
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:15,920
 Those would be eight units per building,

1835
01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:18,040
 as well as a mix of duplex

1836
01:45:18,040 --> 01:45:20,840
 and single family style residential.

1837
01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:23,920
 And so on the screen, you can see those are the brown boxes

1838
01:45:23,920 --> 01:45:28,920
 on the south side oriented around the amenity centers

1839
01:45:28,920 --> 01:45:31,440
 and recreational amenities.

1840
01:45:31,440 --> 01:45:33,520
 And those can be seen in blue.

1841
01:45:33,520 --> 01:45:36,280
 Those amenity centers, or sorry, recreational amenities

1842
01:45:36,280 --> 01:45:38,480
 would include things like a sports court,

1843
01:45:38,480 --> 01:45:42,840
 a community garden, a playground for the residents,

1844
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:47,080
 event lawns, trails, pathways, and other gathering spaces.

1845
01:45:47,080 --> 01:45:50,800
 Also that's unique to this PD

1846
01:45:50,800 --> 01:45:55,040
 is the 60 foot setback that's proposed

1847
01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:57,320
 with enhanced landscaping.

1848
01:45:57,320 --> 01:45:59,120
 So off of East McKinney Street,

1849
01:45:59,120 --> 01:46:02,920
 which was recently widened to include a 12 foot

1850
01:46:02,920 --> 01:46:04,360
 multi-use path on the north side

1851
01:46:04,360 --> 01:46:07,400
 and an eight foot sidewalk on the south side.

1852
01:46:07,400 --> 01:46:11,600
 They are proposing that the buildings be set back

1853
01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:14,160
 a minimum of 60 feet.

1854
01:46:14,160 --> 01:46:18,160
 They're actually within like 70 and 80 on here,

1855
01:46:18,160 --> 01:46:21,840
 as well as that increased or enhanced landscaping.

1856
01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:25,120
 So that would include ornamental trees,

1857
01:46:25,120 --> 01:46:29,480
 shrubs, street trees,

1858
01:46:29,480 --> 01:46:33,880
 and some ornamental fencing at the right of way.

1859
01:46:33,880 --> 01:46:36,840
 They're also having a buffer on the east and west side

1860
01:46:36,840 --> 01:46:39,560
 between the residential use on the east

1861
01:46:39,560 --> 01:46:42,480
 as well as that multifamily on the west side

1862
01:46:42,480 --> 01:46:44,360
 that is coming in.

1863
01:46:44,360 --> 01:46:46,960
 One really great component of this site

1864
01:46:46,960 --> 01:46:50,560
 is the bicycle pedestrian connectivity within the site,

1865
01:46:50,560 --> 01:46:53,760
 as well as how it connects to existing facilities

1866
01:46:53,760 --> 01:46:55,120
 on East McKinney Street.

1867
01:46:55,120 --> 01:46:58,480
 This development is working with the Parks Department

1868
01:46:58,480 --> 01:47:00,960
 to have a future trail connection

1869
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:03,840
 to that future Pecan Creek Trail to the south.

1870
01:47:03,840 --> 01:47:07,840
 This is consistent with the other multifamily developments

1871
01:47:07,840 --> 01:47:11,680
 that have been coming in on the south side

1872
01:47:11,680 --> 01:47:13,400
 of East McKinney Street.

1873
01:47:13,400 --> 01:47:16,720
 So I do wanna flag that this does have one central

1874
01:47:16,720 --> 01:47:19,480
 full access driveway into the development.

1875
01:47:19,480 --> 01:47:20,840
 The development will be sprinkler

1876
01:47:20,840 --> 01:47:23,320
 to meet our fire requirements.

1877
01:47:23,320 --> 01:47:25,400
 It is signalized at that corner.

1878
01:47:25,400 --> 01:47:28,160
 So there is that connectivity for residents

1879
01:47:28,160 --> 01:47:31,920
 to, if they have children at Bryan High School,

1880
01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:34,640
 be able to walk to the school or cross safely

1881
01:47:34,640 --> 01:47:38,240
 to the north side to get to our bike ped facilities.

1882
01:47:38,240 --> 01:47:42,240
 So with that, just briefly going over

1883
01:47:42,240 --> 01:47:43,920
 the criteria for approval.

1884
01:47:43,920 --> 01:47:45,040
 I won't go through all,

1885
01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:47,040
 but there are general approval criteria

1886
01:47:47,040 --> 01:47:48,800
 that this development would need to meet,

1887
01:47:48,800 --> 01:47:53,240
 as well as PD criteria just in summary

1888
01:47:53,240 --> 01:47:55,200
 and the rest is in the staff report.

1889
01:47:55,200 --> 01:47:58,120
 The project is consistent with the future land use map,

1890
01:47:58,120 --> 01:48:01,440
 as well as housing goals for a comprehensive plan.

1891
01:48:01,440 --> 01:48:04,440
 The development does limit uses on the site

1892
01:48:04,440 --> 01:48:06,160
 to those specific to the PD,

1893
01:48:06,160 --> 01:48:09,440
 which is the amenity center, the daycare use,

1894
01:48:09,440 --> 01:48:12,080
 the office and the residential component.

1895
01:48:12,080 --> 01:48:15,320
 It does create a community oriented development pattern

1896
01:48:15,320 --> 01:48:17,640
 with that residential character,

1897
01:48:17,640 --> 01:48:20,560
 increased landscaping and open space.

1898
01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:22,280
 It does minimize impacts

1899
01:48:22,280 --> 01:48:24,360
 to surrounding residential development,

1900
01:48:24,360 --> 01:48:27,200
 as it does serve as that transitional buffer

1901
01:48:27,200 --> 01:48:30,760
 between the low residential on the north and east side,

1902
01:48:30,760 --> 01:48:33,440
 between that and the moderate and high density,

1903
01:48:33,440 --> 01:48:35,160
 residential and commercial that's developing

1904
01:48:35,160 --> 01:48:36,720
 on the west side of it.

1905
01:48:36,720 --> 01:48:40,240
 And then last, there is adequate infrastructure

1906
01:48:40,240 --> 01:48:42,320
 and capacity to serve the development.

1907
01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:46,120
 East McKinney street was just completed at that portion.

1908
01:48:46,120 --> 01:48:48,440
 So it does have a four lanes,

1909
01:48:48,440 --> 01:48:52,200
 as well as that multi-use path on the north side

1910
01:48:52,200 --> 01:48:53,760
 and the sidewalk to the south.

1911
01:48:53,760 --> 01:49:00,360
 We did have our notices sent out for this project.

1912
01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:03,600
 As you can see, there was only one response.

1913
01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:06,880
 It was in favor, but that was from the property owner.

1914
01:49:06,880 --> 01:49:09,880
 So it will not be counted towards the calculation,

1915
01:49:09,880 --> 01:49:13,520
 but we did not receive any other responses for the site.

1916
01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:15,840
 The applicant did not hold any neighborhood meetings

1917
01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:18,720
 for this, but they did indicate that they reached out

1918
01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:22,640
 to individual property owners adjacent to them.

1919
01:49:22,640 --> 01:49:26,160
 And with that staff is recommending approval

1920
01:49:26,160 --> 01:49:29,840
 as it does meet the criteria within the DDC.

1921
01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:33,160
 And then the next steps for this project are,

1922
01:49:33,160 --> 01:49:36,520
 if approved today, it would go to city council on April 5th.

1923
01:49:36,520 --> 01:49:38,560
 And with that, I can take any questions.

1924
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:42,280
 - Thank you, Karina.

1925
01:49:42,280 --> 01:49:43,200
 Commissioner Perot.

1926
01:49:43,200 --> 01:49:49,680
 - Thank you, Chair.

1927
01:49:49,680 --> 01:49:52,440
 Two questions.

1928
01:49:52,440 --> 01:49:54,800
 And the second one, if we want to just defer,

1929
01:49:54,800 --> 01:49:56,880
 if the applicant would be better able to answer it,

1930
01:49:56,880 --> 01:49:58,240
 that's fine.

1931
01:49:58,240 --> 01:49:59,800
 First one, I'll kind of repeat

1932
01:49:59,800 --> 01:50:01,760
 what I had on a different item.

1933
01:50:01,760 --> 01:50:06,640
 What concern are we trying to guard against

1934
01:50:06,640 --> 01:50:11,640
 by specifically defining the use in this property

1935
01:50:11,640 --> 01:50:18,360
 such that if something happens in the future

1936
01:50:18,360 --> 01:50:19,760
 and it needs to change a little bit

1937
01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:23,280
 to something compatible with an R7 or something like that,

1938
01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:27,360
 we would require a rezoning and a re everything.

1939
01:50:27,360 --> 01:50:29,600
 - Yeah, I can definitely touch on that.

1940
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:33,920
 The reason why this PD is kind of the option moving forward

1941
01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:36,120
 is that the way that our development code

1942
01:50:36,120 --> 01:50:39,040
 or the uses within the development code now

1943
01:50:39,040 --> 01:50:43,080
 don't specifically serve the type of development

1944
01:50:43,080 --> 01:50:44,440
 that's being proposed.

1945
01:50:44,440 --> 01:50:46,240
 So this is one of those creative solutions

1946
01:50:46,240 --> 01:50:48,400
 where in order for the development to go in,

1947
01:50:48,400 --> 01:50:50,720
 it would need its own definition.

1948
01:50:50,720 --> 01:50:56,480
 So it's not your typical group home.

1949
01:50:56,480 --> 01:50:58,240
 It's not a homeless shelter.

1950
01:50:58,240 --> 01:51:00,560
 And it's not necessarily the HML use

1951
01:51:00,560 --> 01:51:03,360
 that we've been seeing across the city.

1952
01:51:03,360 --> 01:51:05,400
 It's intended for a certain population.

1953
01:51:05,400 --> 01:51:08,200
 And so the mechanism to get to that route

1954
01:51:08,200 --> 01:51:09,400
 was the plan development.

1955
01:51:09,400 --> 01:51:11,560
 And so that's why that definition is going in.

1956
01:51:11,560 --> 01:51:12,400
 - Yeah, sorry.

1957
01:51:12,400 --> 01:51:15,240
 Sorry, just give me one more chance here.

1958
01:51:15,240 --> 01:51:17,000
 I understand that that's the reason

1959
01:51:17,000 --> 01:51:19,640
 why the definition needs to be added.

1960
01:51:19,640 --> 01:51:23,320
 Why do we prefer to carve it out

1961
01:51:23,320 --> 01:51:26,560
 so that that's the only allowable use of the property

1962
01:51:26,560 --> 01:51:30,720
 instead of saying allowable uses are the by-right uses

1963
01:51:30,720 --> 01:51:34,200
 for the current zoning plus this intended use?

1964
01:51:34,200 --> 01:51:39,120
 - I think there's a couple things

1965
01:51:39,120 --> 01:51:41,040
 that are kind of going on with that.

1966
01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:44,000
 So with the base zoning of MN

1967
01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:46,000
 to do what they're trying to do,

1968
01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:50,160
 there's other uses that would be included on top of that.

1969
01:51:50,160 --> 01:51:52,520
 So that's the reason for the restriction

1970
01:51:52,520 --> 01:51:56,440
 to those certain uses on the site now.

1971
01:51:56,440 --> 01:52:00,480
 And then the restriction to keep it as the,

1972
01:52:00,480 --> 01:52:02,520
 intended for transitional housing.

1973
01:52:02,520 --> 01:52:06,320
 It's really just how the process

1974
01:52:06,320 --> 01:52:09,720
 of how it got negotiated into the PD.

1975
01:52:09,720 --> 01:52:13,600
 There's certainly reasons if PNZ wanted,

1976
01:52:13,600 --> 01:52:16,440
 we could kind of tweak the language and change the language.

1977
01:52:16,440 --> 01:52:18,200
 Most of the way it's written now

1978
01:52:18,200 --> 01:52:20,960
 is to make sure that it's enforceable.

1979
01:52:20,960 --> 01:52:24,200
 So we wanna make sure that what they're intending to do

1980
01:52:24,200 --> 01:52:28,440
 is still applicable in the future.

1981
01:52:28,440 --> 01:52:33,000
 And I'm kind of starting to lose my train of thoughts.

1982
01:52:33,000 --> 01:52:35,120
 Reel me back in if I'm going the wrong way.

1983
01:52:35,120 --> 01:52:36,160
 - No, if I could interject.

1984
01:52:36,160 --> 01:52:39,880
 I mean, a PD really is supposed to be specific, right?

1985
01:52:39,880 --> 01:52:44,040
 For a specific use, not a specific use permit.

1986
01:52:44,040 --> 01:52:45,800
 But I mean, it is supposed to be defined

1987
01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:48,520
 as to what the plan development is.

1988
01:52:48,520 --> 01:52:52,040
 Otherwise, it would just be the zoning that it is, right?

1989
01:52:52,040 --> 01:52:56,240
 - Yeah, to Margie's point, this isn't a use

1990
01:52:56,240 --> 01:52:59,920
 that would allow it to go within the DDC as it exists now.

1991
01:52:59,920 --> 01:53:03,000
 And so using that PD mechanism,

1992
01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:04,960
 in order for the PD to be enforceable,

1993
01:53:04,960 --> 01:53:07,600
 it has to have that specific language.

1994
01:53:07,600 --> 01:53:10,880
 So that's how it was kind of crafted now.

1995
01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:15,880
 If there's an intent to redefine the use or add new uses,

1996
01:53:15,880 --> 01:53:17,520
 which is not really the intent

1997
01:53:17,520 --> 01:53:19,080
 of what they're doing right now,

1998
01:53:19,080 --> 01:53:21,080
 they could go back through the PD process

1999
01:53:21,080 --> 01:53:23,080
 and request a PD amendment.

2000
01:53:23,080 --> 01:53:25,160
 It would become a major amendment,

2001
01:53:25,160 --> 01:53:28,200
 which would then trigger additional public hearings

2002
01:53:28,200 --> 01:53:30,240
 and an additional approval process.

2003
01:53:30,240 --> 01:53:33,080
 But this is sort of where we landed at this point.

2004
01:53:33,080 --> 01:53:35,040
 - Understood, thank you, that helps.

2005
01:53:35,040 --> 01:53:35,920
 And then the second question,

2006
01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:37,240
 which I'm happy to hold off for,

2007
01:53:37,240 --> 01:53:39,640
 if the applicant would be better able to answer this.

2008
01:53:39,640 --> 01:53:41,640
 But since you mentioned it in your presentation,

2009
01:53:41,640 --> 01:53:44,320
 you said that these units would be sprinklered.

2010
01:53:46,120 --> 01:53:48,960
 My understanding is that single and dual family,

2011
01:53:48,960 --> 01:53:51,280
 if it's under IRC, for the most part,

2012
01:53:51,280 --> 01:53:52,360
 doesn't have to be sprinklered

2013
01:53:52,360 --> 01:53:54,760
 unless the wall-to-wall distances

2014
01:53:54,760 --> 01:53:56,960
 are closer than a certain distance.

2015
01:53:56,960 --> 01:54:01,360
 Is it that distance between the buildings on the site plan

2016
01:54:01,360 --> 01:54:03,440
 that's driving that requirement?

2017
01:54:03,440 --> 01:54:04,960
 - I'll have to, I'm gonna try and remember

2018
01:54:04,960 --> 01:54:08,440
 this conversation very well between FIRE and the applicant.

2019
01:54:08,440 --> 01:54:09,880
 There were initial discussions

2020
01:54:09,880 --> 01:54:12,120
 about two points of access being required

2021
01:54:12,120 --> 01:54:15,040
 because it is sort of like, just like the HML use,

2022
01:54:15,040 --> 01:54:17,040
 it's a multifamily type use.

2023
01:54:17,040 --> 01:54:21,480
 There isn't a specific definition listed for it.

2024
01:54:21,480 --> 01:54:25,000
 So in speaking with FIRE and then doing that coordination,

2025
01:54:25,000 --> 01:54:26,560
 it was determined that these are more

2026
01:54:26,560 --> 01:54:29,120
 like single-family homes.

2027
01:54:29,120 --> 01:54:31,640
 So the second point of access was not required.

2028
01:54:31,640 --> 01:54:33,320
 But in order for that to happen,

2029
01:54:33,320 --> 01:54:34,920
 the homes would need to be sprinklered.

2030
01:54:34,920 --> 01:54:39,920
 So it was kind of a compromise in making sure

2031
01:54:39,920 --> 01:54:44,160
 that it was sufficient to meet FIRE's requirements.

2032
01:54:44,160 --> 01:54:48,160
 - Okay, so similar, I think we've had a couple of PDs

2033
01:54:48,160 --> 01:54:50,680
 that had similar one and two unit homes

2034
01:54:50,680 --> 01:54:53,240
 on a single-platted property.

2035
01:54:53,240 --> 01:54:57,480
 The ones of those that only had a single point of access

2036
01:54:57,480 --> 01:54:59,000
 also had that requirement?

2037
01:54:59,000 --> 01:55:00,360
 - Yes. - Okay, thank you.

2038
01:55:00,360 --> 01:55:05,080
 - And then just to throw in, Scott did share with you

2039
01:55:05,080 --> 01:55:08,080
 the printed definition or the proposed revised definition

2040
01:55:08,080 --> 01:55:10,920
 for the PD that we can include

2041
01:55:12,120 --> 01:55:15,800
 if it satisfies the concerns of PNZ.

2042
01:55:15,800 --> 01:55:18,560
 - Okay, thank you.

2043
01:55:18,560 --> 01:55:19,640
 Commissioner Smith.

2044
01:55:19,640 --> 01:55:21,440
 - Thank you, Chair.

2045
01:55:21,440 --> 01:55:25,520
 Thank you for the striking of the non-profit piece, Karina,

2046
01:55:25,520 --> 01:55:27,480
 that helps out quite a bit.

2047
01:55:27,480 --> 01:55:31,080
 Just think for long-term outcomes

2048
01:55:31,080 --> 01:55:32,480
 of something were to happen.

2049
01:55:32,480 --> 01:55:35,400
 The only thing I'm looking at on the definition

2050
01:55:35,400 --> 01:55:37,920
 now that's been passed out, it's highlighted,

2051
01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:39,760
 within 24 months or longer period defined

2052
01:55:39,760 --> 01:55:42,160
 by case management participation in the program.

2053
01:55:42,160 --> 01:55:47,720
 I guess it's referencing a program

2054
01:55:47,720 --> 01:55:49,840
 that's not really discussed anywhere else

2055
01:55:49,840 --> 01:55:51,840
 in the definition, does that make sense?

2056
01:55:51,840 --> 01:55:55,240
 So just feels like it kind of leaves you as like--

2057
01:55:55,240 --> 01:55:57,280
 - Well, there's a partial reasoning for that

2058
01:55:57,280 --> 01:55:59,760
 and it's that the way that the PD is written

2059
01:55:59,760 --> 01:56:02,960
 is it has to be specific and it has to be enforceable.

2060
01:56:02,960 --> 01:56:05,400
 The timeframe for transitional housing

2061
01:56:05,400 --> 01:56:08,920
 is not something that the city can necessarily regulate.

2062
01:56:08,920 --> 01:56:11,960
 It would be defined or managed by the organization.

2063
01:56:11,960 --> 01:56:14,240
 So the non-profit, the operating now

2064
01:56:14,240 --> 01:56:18,640
 or the future non-profit would define

2065
01:56:18,640 --> 01:56:23,640
 the length of the temporary term based on their program.

2066
01:56:23,640 --> 01:56:25,840
 So with the original language,

2067
01:56:25,840 --> 01:56:27,800
 restricting it to the non-profit,

2068
01:56:27,800 --> 01:56:31,720
 that's where the non-profit program would,

2069
01:56:31,720 --> 01:56:34,520
 through their program restrict or maybe not restrict,

2070
01:56:34,520 --> 01:56:38,760
 but identify the needs of the resident to determine--

2071
01:56:38,760 --> 01:56:40,040
 - I guess, and as Scott's--

2072
01:56:40,040 --> 01:56:43,280
 - Scott's letting me know the applicant's prepared

2073
01:56:43,280 --> 01:56:45,080
 to speak on that question if you wanna hear

2074
01:56:45,080 --> 01:56:46,680
 their presentation and let them know.

2075
01:56:46,680 --> 01:56:48,400
 - I would, before that comes up here,

2076
01:56:48,400 --> 01:56:50,040
 I would say something that says something

2077
01:56:50,040 --> 01:56:54,040
 along the lines of defined by the operator,

2078
01:56:54,040 --> 01:56:55,600
 something more general, but yeah, sorry.

2079
01:56:55,600 --> 01:56:56,960
 - Yeah, I mean, let's not get into trying

2080
01:56:56,960 --> 01:56:58,560
 to spell out anything I think right now,

2081
01:56:58,560 --> 01:57:02,000
 but just either staff questions or we'll continue

2082
01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:05,280
 and get the applicant's presentation.

2083
01:57:08,240 --> 01:57:09,760
 - Okay, Commissioner Anderson.

2084
01:57:09,760 --> 01:57:11,800
 - Thank you, Chair.

2085
01:57:11,800 --> 01:57:14,200
 Thank you for the presentation.

2086
01:57:14,200 --> 01:57:18,040
 First, I wanna, again, you said it's not homeless.

2087
01:57:18,040 --> 01:57:20,200
 I'd like for it to be set on record,

2088
01:57:20,200 --> 01:57:21,720
 this will not be a homeless shelter

2089
01:57:21,720 --> 01:57:24,360
 because in your definition, it says,

2090
01:57:24,360 --> 01:57:27,200
 experienced financial burdens that have led to

2091
01:57:27,200 --> 01:57:29,720
 or may lead to homelessness.

2092
01:57:29,720 --> 01:57:31,240
 - But it's not a homeless shelter.

2093
01:57:31,240 --> 01:57:32,920
 So as defined by the DDC,

2094
01:57:32,920 --> 01:57:35,920
 there's a specific definition on homeless shelters,

2095
01:57:35,920 --> 01:57:40,920
 which talks about the daily stay that someone would be there.

2096
01:57:40,920 --> 01:57:44,800
 So that statement is purposeful to indicate

2097
01:57:44,800 --> 01:57:48,680
 that this is not intended to be that use.

2098
01:57:48,680 --> 01:57:49,880
 It's not a homeless shelter.

2099
01:57:49,880 --> 01:57:53,880
 It's for those who have some sort of financial difficulties

2100
01:57:53,880 --> 01:57:57,000
 that might put them at risk for it.

2101
01:57:57,000 --> 01:58:01,960
 So this is the way to kind of distinguish

2102
01:58:01,960 --> 01:58:03,120
 the two types of uses.

2103
01:58:03,120 --> 01:58:06,360
 And again, I think it might be best described

2104
01:58:06,360 --> 01:58:07,720
 by the applicant.

2105
01:58:07,720 --> 01:58:09,960
 - Okay, 'cause I mean, we do have some homeless shelters

2106
01:58:09,960 --> 01:58:10,800
 and didn't already.

2107
01:58:10,800 --> 01:58:13,120
 And one of them is next to a juvenile center

2108
01:58:13,120 --> 01:58:16,120
 and we've had issues with the homeless bother

2109
01:58:16,120 --> 01:58:17,360
 and the juveniles.

2110
01:58:17,360 --> 01:58:19,520
 And this is directly across the street from a high school.

2111
01:58:19,520 --> 01:58:20,680
 And I'd hate to see a homeless shelter

2112
01:58:20,680 --> 01:58:21,680
 across the street from a high school

2113
01:58:21,680 --> 01:58:24,280
 and interfering with the students.

2114
01:58:24,280 --> 01:58:29,280
 The other thing is, this would be good for the applicant,

2115
01:58:30,240 --> 01:58:34,400
 but yeah, that's okay, thanks.

2116
01:58:34,400 --> 01:58:37,040
 - Yeah, and if I could just add to that just a little bit,

2117
01:58:37,040 --> 01:58:39,000
 just for some food for thought.

2118
01:58:39,000 --> 01:58:42,080
 We've defined this with like being this

2119
01:58:42,080 --> 01:58:48,080
 maximum in the place, but we don't have a minimum.

2120
01:58:48,080 --> 01:58:53,080
 And that probably is what maybe could answer

2121
01:58:53,080 --> 01:58:57,240
 answer some of the questions about this becoming

2122
01:58:57,240 --> 01:58:59,120
 a homeless shelter versus something else.

2123
01:58:59,120 --> 01:59:00,560
 I'll just throw that out there.

2124
01:59:00,560 --> 01:59:03,400
 Commissioner Anderson, you are through with your questions?

2125
01:59:03,400 --> 01:59:04,400
 Yeah, okay.

2126
01:59:04,400 --> 01:59:06,680
 Anyone else with questions for staff?

2127
01:59:06,680 --> 01:59:09,040
 Otherwise, we'll go ahead and move on with presentation.

2128
01:59:09,040 --> 01:59:09,880
 Haley.

2129
01:59:09,880 --> 01:59:11,680
 - I just wanted to clarify,

2130
01:59:11,680 --> 01:59:14,480
 because a homeless shelter is a specifically defined use

2131
01:59:14,480 --> 01:59:17,560
 in the DDC and that use is not one of the uses

2132
01:59:17,560 --> 01:59:19,840
 that's specifically allowed within this PD,

2133
01:59:19,840 --> 01:59:22,600
 that transition from this specific use

2134
01:59:22,600 --> 01:59:24,440
 to a homeless shelter could not occur

2135
01:59:24,440 --> 01:59:26,080
 without changing the zoning to allow

2136
01:59:26,080 --> 01:59:28,080
 for a homeless shelter on the property.

2137
01:59:30,120 --> 01:59:32,120
 If that helps clarify the concern there.

2138
01:59:32,120 --> 01:59:36,040
 - Okay.

2139
01:59:36,040 --> 01:59:38,960
 Thank you, Karina.

2140
01:59:38,960 --> 01:59:40,360
 I don't see any questions right now.

2141
01:59:40,360 --> 01:59:42,200
 I also don't have any cards,

2142
01:59:42,200 --> 01:59:46,680
 but I'm guessing the applicant has a presentation maybe.

2143
01:59:46,680 --> 01:59:47,520
 Hi, Amy.

2144
01:59:47,520 --> 01:59:52,320
 Okay, I will.

2145
01:59:52,320 --> 01:59:56,800
 - Give me just a moment to plug it in.

2146
01:59:56,800 --> 01:59:57,640
 - Of course. - Thank you.

2147
01:59:57,640 --> 01:59:58,480
 - Thank you.

2148
01:59:59,120 --> 02:00:01,960
 (papers rustling)

2149
02:00:01,960 --> 02:00:14,880
 - Thank you, commissioners.

2150
02:00:14,880 --> 02:00:16,440
 My name is Amy Bissett.

2151
02:00:16,440 --> 02:00:21,760
 109 North Elm, Denton, Texas, 76201.

2152
02:00:21,760 --> 02:00:24,960
 Going to open my presentation now.

2153
02:00:24,960 --> 02:00:27,440
 I wanna start by trying to address a few of the questions

2154
02:00:27,440 --> 02:00:30,800
 that have come up both during the work session

2155
02:00:30,800 --> 02:00:33,800
 and tonight before I begin the formal presentation.

2156
02:00:33,800 --> 02:00:37,320
 So first of all, the question was,

2157
02:00:37,320 --> 02:00:40,920
 is this related to, or is this a homeless shelter?

2158
02:00:40,920 --> 02:00:43,680
 How do you delineate this from being a homeless shelter?

2159
02:00:43,680 --> 02:00:49,800
 This particular development is for transitional housing,

2160
02:00:49,800 --> 02:00:53,280
 which means that the clients or the tenants

2161
02:00:53,280 --> 02:00:55,880
 have to sign a lease when they move in.

2162
02:00:55,880 --> 02:00:58,480
 And they believe that those leases will start

2163
02:00:58,480 --> 02:01:00,120
 at a minimum of three months.

2164
02:01:00,120 --> 02:01:02,080
 That has not been clearly defined yet,

2165
02:01:02,080 --> 02:01:05,040
 but we're not talking about somebody who comes in

2166
02:01:05,040 --> 02:01:07,720
 for one night overnight because it got cold

2167
02:01:07,720 --> 02:01:11,400
 or they needed a place to stay.

2168
02:01:11,400 --> 02:01:13,440
 This is a client who has been engaged

2169
02:01:13,440 --> 02:01:17,040
 by the nonprofit organization to receive help

2170
02:01:17,040 --> 02:01:19,280
 that is more long-term help

2171
02:01:19,280 --> 02:01:23,720
 that they move themselves in, their children in,

2172
02:01:23,720 --> 02:01:28,080
 that is a length of stay that requires them to commit

2173
02:01:28,080 --> 02:01:31,480
 to certain obligations that would prevent it

2174
02:01:31,480 --> 02:01:34,080
 from being just like an overnight homeless shelter.

2175
02:01:34,080 --> 02:01:39,120
 Let me look here at my list of questions.

2176
02:01:39,120 --> 02:01:44,120
 So I wanna say that there was a question related to

2177
02:01:44,120 --> 02:01:50,000
 why is this a PD, what makes this a PD?

2178
02:01:50,000 --> 02:01:55,000
 What I've seen in my role as a development consultant

2179
02:01:55,000 --> 02:01:59,080
 in recent say six months is that there are a lot

2180
02:01:59,080 --> 02:02:01,360
 of new land uses that are coming online

2181
02:02:01,360 --> 02:02:03,000
 that we've never seen before.

2182
02:02:03,000 --> 02:02:05,840
 And most of them have to do with housing, right?

2183
02:02:05,840 --> 02:02:09,520
 Like they have to do with horizontal multifamily uses.

2184
02:02:09,520 --> 02:02:13,160
 They have to do with trying to define a use

2185
02:02:13,160 --> 02:02:16,520
 that a nonprofit organization is trying to create

2186
02:02:16,520 --> 02:02:17,880
 that has never been done before

2187
02:02:17,880 --> 02:02:20,800
 or is not defined by a specific land use.

2188
02:02:20,800 --> 02:02:22,800
 And I've seen this with Grace Like Rain.

2189
02:02:22,800 --> 02:02:26,200
 I've seen it with Denton County Friends of the Family.

2190
02:02:26,200 --> 02:02:29,880
 I've seen it a number of times over the last say year.

2191
02:02:29,880 --> 02:02:31,520
 And this may be the first one

2192
02:02:31,520 --> 02:02:34,400
 that you've seen come to fruition, thankfully.

2193
02:02:34,400 --> 02:02:37,560
 We're starting to see them actually be able to move forward.

2194
02:02:37,560 --> 02:02:42,040
 But this is traditionally with a use like this,

2195
02:02:42,040 --> 02:02:43,720
 you might put it in a classification

2196
02:02:43,720 --> 02:02:45,400
 of a group home or a homeless shelter

2197
02:02:45,400 --> 02:02:47,720
 and those don't really apply here.

2198
02:02:47,720 --> 02:02:48,960
 This is a community.

2199
02:02:48,960 --> 02:02:53,960
 This is a safe place that is intended to raise families

2200
02:02:53,960 --> 02:03:01,120
 and help people move from a place that is at risk

2201
02:03:01,120 --> 02:03:03,160
 to a place that is unstable.

2202
02:03:03,160 --> 02:03:05,600
 And we just haven't seen that

2203
02:03:05,600 --> 02:03:07,640
 in the history of land use before.

2204
02:03:07,640 --> 02:03:12,640
 And so we have to define it as a new land use.

2205
02:03:12,640 --> 02:03:15,480
 I get when you look at the definition

2206
02:03:15,480 --> 02:03:17,840
 of transitional housing that you don't know if it's right

2207
02:03:17,840 --> 02:03:20,720
 or not and I think we can work on that and fix that.

2208
02:03:20,720 --> 02:03:25,520
 And specifically for this PD, it may be one thing

2209
02:03:25,520 --> 02:03:28,440
 and for the next PD, it may be another thing.

2210
02:03:28,440 --> 02:03:32,280
 That's the flexibility of a PD is that we can define it

2211
02:03:32,280 --> 02:03:33,560
 as we need to.

2212
02:03:33,560 --> 02:03:38,560
 So I think we're open to how we actually pin that definition

2213
02:03:38,560 --> 02:03:43,160
 but I think it's important to recognize

2214
02:03:43,160 --> 02:03:46,240
 that we're taking a different approach in society

2215
02:03:46,240 --> 02:03:48,200
 to how we deal with this

2216
02:03:48,200 --> 02:03:51,320
 and how we support our community

2217
02:03:51,320 --> 02:03:53,240
 and provide services to our community.

2218
02:03:53,240 --> 02:03:55,880
 And so I just want to start with that.

2219
02:03:55,880 --> 02:03:59,720
 And before I get started on my actual presentation,

2220
02:03:59,720 --> 02:04:03,400
 I want to acknowledge that I have with me tonight,

2221
02:04:03,400 --> 02:04:04,840
 Michelle Connor, who's the founder

2222
02:04:04,840 --> 02:04:07,480
 and a board member of Grace Like Rain

2223
02:04:07,480 --> 02:04:11,320
 and Leanne Christen, who is the CEO of Grace Like Rain.

2224
02:04:11,320 --> 02:04:13,080
 I also have with me Andrew Cousins,

2225
02:04:13,080 --> 02:04:15,000
 who is with ValleyQuest Design.

2226
02:04:15,000 --> 02:04:18,040
 He's been kind of the lead on this project

2227
02:04:18,040 --> 02:04:21,640
 and happy to be a part of it and happy to be here.

2228
02:04:21,640 --> 02:04:24,720
 This has been way more than a year in the making

2229
02:04:24,720 --> 02:04:26,160
 that we've been involved.

2230
02:04:26,160 --> 02:04:29,520
 Most of us on primarily a volunteer basis.

2231
02:04:29,520 --> 02:04:33,800
 So with that, I'll go ahead and move into my presentation.

2232
02:04:33,800 --> 02:04:41,080
 So with a PD, we have to start with a purpose statement

2233
02:04:41,080 --> 02:04:42,560
 like why are we creating a PD

2234
02:04:42,560 --> 02:04:44,880
 rather than just a general zoning case.

2235
02:04:44,880 --> 02:04:47,720
 And the purpose of this PD is to facilitate

2236
02:04:47,720 --> 02:04:50,760
 a primarily residential development

2237
02:04:50,760 --> 02:04:52,840
 intended to create a sense of place and community

2238
02:04:52,840 --> 02:04:55,480
 for at-risk families who reside

2239
02:04:55,480 --> 02:04:57,760
 and receive support services onsite.

2240
02:04:57,760 --> 02:04:59,920
 The development will provide transitional housing

2241
02:04:59,920 --> 02:05:02,040
 and related services for clients

2242
02:05:02,040 --> 02:05:04,400
 who may be residents residing at this development

2243
02:05:04,400 --> 02:05:07,200
 or non-residents receiving services.

2244
02:05:07,200 --> 02:05:10,400
 And this continuum of care graphic here

2245
02:05:10,400 --> 02:05:12,040
 is provided by Grace like rain.

2246
02:05:12,040 --> 02:05:13,480
 I'm not gonna go through it in detail,

2247
02:05:13,480 --> 02:05:16,120
 but I do want you to know that they are here

2248
02:05:16,120 --> 02:05:19,240
 to answer specific organizational questions

2249
02:05:19,240 --> 02:05:20,200
 if you would like.

2250
02:05:20,200 --> 02:05:24,320
 We are requesting a zoning change

2251
02:05:24,320 --> 02:05:27,360
 just 'cause that's what we're actually here to talk about.

2252
02:05:27,360 --> 02:05:30,600
 The current zoning is R7

2253
02:05:30,600 --> 02:05:32,600
 and we are requesting a PD zoning

2254
02:05:32,600 --> 02:05:36,360
 with a mixed use neighborhood base zoning.

2255
02:05:36,360 --> 02:05:39,520
 Primarily the reason for the PD

2256
02:05:39,520 --> 02:05:42,160
 is that we have to introduce new land uses.

2257
02:05:42,160 --> 02:05:44,480
 There's no way to do that

2258
02:05:44,480 --> 02:05:46,840
 except through a comp plan amendment.

2259
02:05:46,840 --> 02:05:51,320
 But when you have a new evolving land use,

2260
02:05:51,320 --> 02:05:55,240
 this is the best way to get it documented and get going.

2261
02:05:55,240 --> 02:05:57,280
 We're introducing transitional housing,

2262
02:05:57,280 --> 02:05:59,800
 which we will talk about the definition of in a little bit,

2263
02:05:59,800 --> 02:06:02,200
 amenity center and recreational amenities

2264
02:06:02,200 --> 02:06:04,440
 that are specific to the site.

2265
02:06:04,440 --> 02:06:07,440
 So if we define transitional housing today

2266
02:06:07,440 --> 02:06:12,320
 as a part of this PD, it is not defined in the DDC

2267
02:06:12,320 --> 02:06:15,080
 in the future as transitional housing,

2268
02:06:15,080 --> 02:06:18,640
 meaning when Denton County Friends of the Family comes in,

2269
02:06:18,640 --> 02:06:23,080
 they may bring a new land use in as well

2270
02:06:23,080 --> 02:06:25,880
 that is similar but might not be exactly the same.

2271
02:06:25,880 --> 02:06:29,320
 So that's the benefit of a PD

2272
02:06:29,320 --> 02:06:31,760
 is that we have that flexibility.

2273
02:06:31,760 --> 02:06:33,680
 So with our PD standards,

2274
02:06:33,680 --> 02:06:36,760
 which are required as a part of the plan development,

2275
02:06:36,760 --> 02:06:40,200
 we are introducing increased setbacks.

2276
02:06:40,200 --> 02:06:44,680
 In this specific zoning designation,

2277
02:06:44,680 --> 02:06:45,680
 mixed use neighborhood,

2278
02:06:45,680 --> 02:06:49,600
 you would expect buildings to be pulled up to the street.

2279
02:06:49,600 --> 02:06:52,640
 You would want a streetscape

2280
02:06:52,640 --> 02:06:54,720
 where buildings are right up next to the street

2281
02:06:54,720 --> 02:06:57,080
 and you could walk and you could go from apartments

2282
02:06:57,080 --> 02:06:59,000
 to restaurants to schools,

2283
02:06:59,000 --> 02:07:02,120
 and they're all right there right off of the sidewalk.

2284
02:07:02,120 --> 02:07:04,440
 But in this particular case, that's not appropriate.

2285
02:07:04,440 --> 02:07:09,440
 We want to have residents feel safe and secure

2286
02:07:09,440 --> 02:07:12,040
 and a little bit, not necessarily isolated

2287
02:07:12,040 --> 02:07:13,880
 because they're a part of the community,

2288
02:07:13,880 --> 02:07:18,200
 but to feel like they are protected in a little bit,

2289
02:07:18,200 --> 02:07:22,880
 maybe just a little bit screened.

2290
02:07:22,880 --> 02:07:26,040
 So we have increased setbacks,

2291
02:07:26,040 --> 02:07:28,800
 but to accommodate that,

2292
02:07:28,800 --> 02:07:30,800
 we're also introducing a streetscape,

2293
02:07:30,800 --> 02:07:32,720
 which it pulls right up to the sidewalk

2294
02:07:32,720 --> 02:07:37,720
 where you've got a fence that is not a screening fence,

2295
02:07:37,720 --> 02:07:40,400
 but a wrought iron fence with masonry

2296
02:07:40,400 --> 02:07:43,160
 and you've got trees and you've got landscaping

2297
02:07:43,160 --> 02:07:47,680
 so that when you walk from the multifamily next door,

2298
02:07:47,680 --> 02:07:49,480
 that is right up next to the sidewalk,

2299
02:07:49,480 --> 02:07:51,040
 you keep walking and you see something

2300
02:07:51,040 --> 02:07:52,600
 that's pulled right up to the sidewalk

2301
02:07:52,600 --> 02:07:56,080
 and it feels very much the same in terms of a streetscape.

2302
02:07:56,080 --> 02:07:59,480
 We've also spent a lot of time talking about orientation

2303
02:07:59,480 --> 02:08:04,440
 of the buildings or the units so that they all

2304
02:08:04,440 --> 02:08:08,040
 immediately face an amenity or walk out

2305
02:08:08,040 --> 02:08:10,640
 onto a pedestrian sidewalk where they are,

2306
02:08:10,640 --> 02:08:13,320
 we walk out and we are in our community,

2307
02:08:13,320 --> 02:08:14,960
 we're in our neighborhood.

2308
02:08:14,960 --> 02:08:17,080
 Think about walking out your front door

2309
02:08:17,080 --> 02:08:18,880
 and you step out onto a sidewalk

2310
02:08:18,880 --> 02:08:22,200
 and you've got your neighbors directly in front of you,

2311
02:08:22,200 --> 02:08:24,760
 but it's all lawn, like it's not streets,

2312
02:08:24,760 --> 02:08:29,080
 it's not fences, you've got lawn

2313
02:08:29,080 --> 02:08:31,440
 and you've got landscaping and you've got picnic tables

2314
02:08:31,440 --> 02:08:35,440
 and you've got gardens, community gardens

2315
02:08:35,440 --> 02:08:37,200
 and it's all intended to be a place

2316
02:08:37,200 --> 02:08:39,600
 where everybody can interact with each other

2317
02:08:39,600 --> 02:08:43,400
 but feel a little bit protected from the rest of the world.

2318
02:08:43,400 --> 02:08:49,040
 So just in terms of the site data,

2319
02:08:49,040 --> 02:08:53,640
 we are introducing several unit types.

2320
02:08:53,640 --> 02:08:56,760
 We have multi-family, a couple of multi-family buildings

2321
02:08:56,760 --> 02:09:01,320
 that are two-story, small, multi-family buildings

2322
02:09:01,320 --> 02:09:03,680
 and we have a handful of duplex units.

2323
02:09:03,680 --> 02:09:05,480
 Most of what we're proposing on site

2324
02:09:05,480 --> 02:09:07,120
 are single-family units.

2325
02:09:07,120 --> 02:09:12,240
 We've got a mix of two-bedroom, three-bedroom

2326
02:09:12,240 --> 02:09:15,080
 and four-bedroom units, mostly being three-bedroom.

2327
02:09:15,080 --> 02:09:17,480
 I think what you could probably mostly imagine

2328
02:09:17,480 --> 02:09:21,480
 in terms of this project is single moms

2329
02:09:21,480 --> 02:09:25,040
 with multiple children, so you need some bedrooms

2330
02:09:25,040 --> 02:09:29,160
 but you don't necessarily need a lot of parking

2331
02:09:29,160 --> 02:09:31,160
 'cause you're not gonna have four or five cars,

2332
02:09:31,160 --> 02:09:33,960
 you're gonna have maybe one car, maybe two cars.

2333
02:09:33,960 --> 02:09:36,640
 We have 145 residential parking spaces,

2334
02:09:36,640 --> 02:09:41,160
 that's one per bedroom, 46 commercial spaces

2335
02:09:41,160 --> 02:09:44,760
 which means the DDC-based development code

2336
02:09:44,760 --> 02:09:47,240
 and then we have childcare offices

2337
02:09:47,240 --> 02:09:48,800
 and an amenity center on site.

2338
02:09:52,240 --> 02:09:55,480
 We have a number of amenities proposed on site

2339
02:09:55,480 --> 02:09:57,600
 and while I'm showing this amenity plan,

2340
02:09:57,600 --> 02:10:00,000
 I'm gonna try to walk through it very briefly.

2341
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:04,600
 Number one, here with where my arrow is pointing,

2342
02:10:04,600 --> 02:10:07,440
 we have a multi-use sport court,

2343
02:10:07,440 --> 02:10:10,280
 basketball, volleyball, pickleball.

2344
02:10:10,280 --> 02:10:13,080
 Number two, we have a playground for children.

2345
02:10:13,080 --> 02:10:15,520
 Number three, we have a community garden

2346
02:10:15,520 --> 02:10:17,760
 which has raised beds.

2347
02:10:17,760 --> 02:10:22,720
 Number four, we have an event hall with an event lawn

2348
02:10:22,720 --> 02:10:26,360
 which is nice for residents as well as

2349
02:10:26,360 --> 02:10:31,360
 if Grey Sock Rain wants to host some community events

2350
02:10:31,360 --> 02:10:33,560
 where they introduce the community

2351
02:10:33,560 --> 02:10:35,160
 to the work that they're doing,

2352
02:10:35,160 --> 02:10:37,560
 this is a good place for that.

2353
02:10:37,560 --> 02:10:42,560
 Number five, we have a gazebo which is on a pedestrian path

2354
02:10:42,560 --> 02:10:46,240
 that actually migrates through the floodplain in the area,

2355
02:10:46,240 --> 02:10:49,680
 one of the few places that we can actually

2356
02:10:49,680 --> 02:10:52,040
 potentially encroach the floodplain

2357
02:10:52,040 --> 02:10:54,640
 which I'll talk about in a minute.

2358
02:10:54,640 --> 02:10:57,080
 We have an enhanced entrance at the front

2359
02:10:57,080 --> 02:11:00,440
 and a memorial plaza here

2360
02:11:00,440 --> 02:11:03,240
 which has some pedestrian seating

2361
02:11:03,240 --> 02:11:05,880
 and some other amenities for the residents.

2362
02:11:05,880 --> 02:11:09,920
 As it relates to the landscape plan,

2363
02:11:09,920 --> 02:11:14,920
 we have over, we've gone,

2364
02:11:15,440 --> 02:11:18,680
 we've gone over and beyond what's required.

2365
02:11:18,680 --> 02:11:21,920
 With tree canopy, what's required is 40%.

2366
02:11:21,920 --> 02:11:25,960
 Currently, the plan is providing 60%.

2367
02:11:25,960 --> 02:11:29,040
 Previous coverage required is 20%.

2368
02:11:29,040 --> 02:11:31,080
 We're providing 41%.

2369
02:11:31,080 --> 02:11:35,360
 Tree preservation required by code is 30%

2370
02:11:35,360 --> 02:11:39,360
 and we're providing 53%.

2371
02:11:39,360 --> 02:11:41,760
 And then we've, I spoke previously

2372
02:11:41,760 --> 02:11:44,800
 about the streetscape elements just to bring the project

2373
02:11:44,800 --> 02:11:46,440
 to the front of the development

2374
02:11:46,440 --> 02:11:49,920
 without having to bring the housing

2375
02:11:49,920 --> 02:11:54,920
 and the services to the front of the development.

2376
02:11:54,920 --> 02:11:57,320
 We will be providing some elements there

2377
02:11:57,320 --> 02:12:00,080
 that are not required by base code.

2378
02:12:00,080 --> 02:12:02,120
 And we have been working with the Parks Department

2379
02:12:02,120 --> 02:12:05,640
 to provide a trails connection through the floodplain

2380
02:12:05,640 --> 02:12:09,720
 for residents and citizens alike

2381
02:12:09,720 --> 02:12:14,720
 to be able to access that whole green trail.

2382
02:12:15,200 --> 02:12:16,040
 Option.

2383
02:12:16,040 --> 02:12:21,000
 As conceptual elevations, these are early on

2384
02:12:21,000 --> 02:12:22,920
 but want you to see two bedroom,

2385
02:12:22,920 --> 02:12:25,320
 three bedroom and four bedroom elevations.

2386
02:12:25,320 --> 02:12:29,880
 We're trying here to provide some architectural relief,

2387
02:12:29,880 --> 02:12:33,520
 some usable front porches

2388
02:12:33,520 --> 02:12:38,520
 and some, just a nice variety of architecture here.

2389
02:12:41,400 --> 02:12:45,960
 Here's an example of the non-residential building elevations.

2390
02:12:45,960 --> 02:12:50,360
 And in terms of the phasing plan,

2391
02:12:50,360 --> 02:12:54,040
 the idea in the first phase is to come in off of McKinney

2392
02:12:54,040 --> 02:12:58,640
 and provide the first handful of residential homes

2393
02:12:58,640 --> 02:13:02,800
 as well as the duplex homes, the multifamily homes,

2394
02:13:02,800 --> 02:13:06,560
 the event space and the sports court

2395
02:13:06,560 --> 02:13:08,120
 and the community garden.

2396
02:13:08,120 --> 02:13:09,920
 And then in phase two, come back in

2397
02:13:09,920 --> 02:13:12,080
 with the childcare facility

2398
02:13:12,080 --> 02:13:15,320
 and the second multifamily piece

2399
02:13:15,320 --> 02:13:17,600
 and the first part of the south end

2400
02:13:17,600 --> 02:13:20,240
 of the single family piece.

2401
02:13:20,240 --> 02:13:23,320
 Phase three would be the ministry offices

2402
02:13:23,320 --> 02:13:26,120
 and the last part of the single family piece.

2403
02:13:26,120 --> 02:13:29,320
 And that is all I have.

2404
02:13:29,320 --> 02:13:31,840
 Happy to stay for questions

2405
02:13:31,840 --> 02:13:36,040
 and certainly happy to bring out the operator

2406
02:13:36,040 --> 02:13:39,520
 and nonprofit organization to answer specific questions

2407
02:13:39,520 --> 02:13:41,000
 about their plans.

2408
02:13:41,000 --> 02:13:41,840
 Thank you.

2409
02:13:41,840 --> 02:13:42,680
 - Thanks.

2410
02:13:42,680 --> 02:13:47,160
 - Commissioner Villarreal.

2411
02:13:47,160 --> 02:13:49,760
 - Yeah, did you all look at other developments

2412
02:13:49,760 --> 02:13:51,560
 in different cities to model this after

2413
02:13:51,560 --> 02:13:55,240
 or was this kind of the first of its kind in the area?

2414
02:13:55,240 --> 02:13:56,120
 - That's a great question.

2415
02:13:56,120 --> 02:14:01,120
 So personally, I have looked at how to create this in Denton

2416
02:14:01,120 --> 02:14:09,360
 and have not seen it in other cities before now

2417
02:14:09,360 --> 02:14:11,920
 that doesn't mean that I didn't miss it,

2418
02:14:11,920 --> 02:14:16,480
 but this is kind of a pioneering event

2419
02:14:16,480 --> 02:14:20,960
 about how to treat organizational help like this.

2420
02:14:20,960 --> 02:14:25,880
 So historically, a nonprofit organization

2421
02:14:25,880 --> 02:14:29,080
 that was trying to provide housing

2422
02:14:29,080 --> 02:14:33,440
 or protection for a mom with children

2423
02:14:33,440 --> 02:14:34,760
 would do so in secrecy.

2424
02:14:34,760 --> 02:14:36,760
 Like they wouldn't, you wouldn't know where it was.

2425
02:14:36,760 --> 02:14:39,840
 It would be an undisclosed location.

2426
02:14:39,840 --> 02:14:43,840
 The fact that this is being presented publicly right now,

2427
02:14:43,840 --> 02:14:47,280
 to me presents a transition in how we treat it

2428
02:14:47,280 --> 02:14:49,520
 as a community and a society.

2429
02:14:49,520 --> 02:14:52,760
 It's where we as a community choose to protect it

2430
02:14:52,760 --> 02:14:55,440
 and embrace it rather than hide it

2431
02:14:55,440 --> 02:14:57,440
 so that nobody can find it.

2432
02:14:57,440 --> 02:15:00,760
 Don't know that that directly answers your question, but.

2433
02:15:00,760 --> 02:15:02,720
 - No, I love to see this kind of development.

2434
02:15:02,720 --> 02:15:03,920
 So appreciate the answer.

2435
02:15:03,920 --> 02:15:05,160
 - Absolutely.

2436
02:15:05,160 --> 02:15:06,480
 - Commissioner McDade.

2437
02:15:06,480 --> 02:15:07,680
 - Thank you, Madam Chair.

2438
02:15:07,680 --> 02:15:11,840
 I just want you to walk me through a couple of items

2439
02:15:11,840 --> 02:15:14,480
 and I'm gonna use myself as an example.

2440
02:15:14,480 --> 02:15:18,320
 Let's say I have two children and I come to you.

2441
02:15:18,320 --> 02:15:20,120
 You talk about the affordable housing.

2442
02:15:20,120 --> 02:15:21,960
 I'm trying to get some price range

2443
02:15:21,960 --> 02:15:26,520
 of what you're actually charging for me and my two children.

2444
02:15:26,520 --> 02:15:30,480
 - So I'm gonna let that question defer

2445
02:15:30,480 --> 02:15:33,520
 to the actual nonprofit organization.

2446
02:15:33,520 --> 02:15:36,320
 But do you have another one for me?

2447
02:15:36,320 --> 02:15:41,320
 - No, I'm concerned 'cause I'm there with my children

2448
02:15:41,320 --> 02:15:46,040
 and I have a minimum of three months.

2449
02:15:46,040 --> 02:15:50,240
 But let's say in a year or so they determine

2450
02:15:50,240 --> 02:15:52,760
 that I'm ready to move out into the world.

2451
02:15:52,760 --> 02:15:58,480
 But I'm only paying, let's say $600.

2452
02:15:58,480 --> 02:16:00,840
 And I go through all your classes and all that

2453
02:16:00,840 --> 02:16:03,680
 and I actually have to go out into the real world.

2454
02:16:03,680 --> 02:16:05,080
 I'm not gonna find anything.

2455
02:16:06,880 --> 02:16:11,200
 But me and two children, I'm gonna pay $1,800 minimum,

2456
02:16:11,200 --> 02:16:12,960
 but the two words that don't go together

2457
02:16:12,960 --> 02:16:14,640
 are den and affordable housing.

2458
02:16:14,640 --> 02:16:20,280
 And I just don't want them to have a sense of false hope

2459
02:16:20,280 --> 02:16:22,640
 and they wanna push that into the world.

2460
02:16:22,640 --> 02:16:24,640
 They can't take it and they end up right back

2461
02:16:24,640 --> 02:16:26,600
 where they were, but they can't come back to you

2462
02:16:26,600 --> 02:16:29,240
 because that place has already been rented.

2463
02:16:29,240 --> 02:16:33,040
 So I'm concerned about the false sense of hope

2464
02:16:34,040 --> 02:16:36,360
 that an individual may get when they actually go

2465
02:16:36,360 --> 02:16:38,160
 through the process.

2466
02:16:38,160 --> 02:16:40,000
 - I'm gonna ask Michelle Connor to come up here.

2467
02:16:40,000 --> 02:16:41,600
 She's the founder of the organization.

2468
02:16:41,600 --> 02:16:44,240
 She can answer that question way better than I can.

2469
02:16:44,240 --> 02:16:49,760
 - So I hear your question and I very much respect

2470
02:16:49,760 --> 02:16:52,520
 that question because that really honestly

2471
02:16:52,520 --> 02:16:55,520
 is the heart behind this community.

2472
02:16:55,520 --> 02:16:57,760
 And what we do is we don't want that to happen

2473
02:16:57,760 --> 02:16:59,600
 'cause that's what we see right now

2474
02:16:59,600 --> 02:17:02,520
 is affordable housing is not necessarily affordable.

2475
02:17:02,520 --> 02:17:04,960
 And so what happens is that cycle.

2476
02:17:04,960 --> 02:17:08,520
 They find stability, they're doing well,

2477
02:17:08,520 --> 02:17:11,240
 they go out, they're succeeding on their own

2478
02:17:11,240 --> 02:17:13,880
 and then something happens and so it pushes them right back.

2479
02:17:13,880 --> 02:17:15,000
 So we do not want that.

2480
02:17:15,000 --> 02:17:17,800
 So what our hope is is that the affordable

2481
02:17:17,800 --> 02:17:22,240
 is 550 to 650 a month, which is low, we know that.

2482
02:17:22,240 --> 02:17:26,240
 But while they're paying that 550 to 650 a month,

2483
02:17:26,240 --> 02:17:28,160
 they're participating in the classes,

2484
02:17:28,160 --> 02:17:29,840
 they're participating in case management,

2485
02:17:29,840 --> 02:17:31,720
 they're participating in those things.

2486
02:17:31,720 --> 02:17:35,520
 So we're working with them on saving along the way

2487
02:17:35,520 --> 02:17:38,760
 and maybe doing a jobs training, a job skills class

2488
02:17:38,760 --> 02:17:41,320
 or a college course depending on,

2489
02:17:41,320 --> 02:17:42,760
 they can actually work on the goals

2490
02:17:42,760 --> 02:17:44,960
 that they have in front of them without having to stress

2491
02:17:44,960 --> 02:17:47,480
 over paying $1,200 a month for rent

2492
02:17:47,480 --> 02:17:49,440
 or $1,800 a month for rent.

2493
02:17:49,440 --> 02:17:52,480
 So the hope is that while they're doing that,

2494
02:17:52,480 --> 02:17:55,080
 we're setting them, we're walking alongside them

2495
02:17:55,080 --> 02:17:57,720
 and they're setting themselves up for when they do move,

2496
02:17:57,720 --> 02:17:59,840
 they have a plan, they have a savings base,

2497
02:17:59,840 --> 02:18:02,720
 they have a goal as to what that looks like.

2498
02:18:02,720 --> 02:18:04,560
 - Okay, well, I guess another question.

2499
02:18:04,560 --> 02:18:07,400
 You talked about, you're gonna help them save.

2500
02:18:07,400 --> 02:18:11,080
 In today's society, they would have to save.

2501
02:18:11,080 --> 02:18:13,240
 I mean, if I'm only there for 18 months,

2502
02:18:13,240 --> 02:18:14,920
 I would have to save probably,

2503
02:18:14,920 --> 02:18:18,240
 I would say eight to $10,000 just to be able

2504
02:18:18,240 --> 02:18:21,440
 to move out into a, I'm not gonna say a respectful place,

2505
02:18:21,440 --> 02:18:23,720
 but something that I'm gonna be able to afford

2506
02:18:23,720 --> 02:18:26,840
 for my children and I for another six months.

2507
02:18:28,080 --> 02:18:29,920
 And most of the people who are gonna be there,

2508
02:18:29,920 --> 02:18:33,080
 I mean, sure, you're gonna have the job classes

2509
02:18:33,080 --> 02:18:35,680
 and I don't know what kind of job you're gonna give them,

2510
02:18:35,680 --> 02:18:37,400
 but most of them are unskilled labor,

2511
02:18:37,400 --> 02:18:39,760
 which really doesn't pay that much today.

2512
02:18:39,760 --> 02:18:42,840
 So you're looking at, I mean, I guess I'll go back.

2513
02:18:42,840 --> 02:18:45,840
 My biggest concern is I don't wanna see them pushed out

2514
02:18:45,840 --> 02:18:47,720
 too early, I mean, I love the concept,

2515
02:18:47,720 --> 02:18:51,640
 but I don't wanna see anybody pushed out too early.

2516
02:18:51,640 --> 02:18:53,400
 And when somebody comes there, you know,

2517
02:18:53,400 --> 02:18:55,680
 you have no idea what type of situation,

2518
02:18:55,680 --> 02:18:57,960
 I mean, everybody's gonna be different.

2519
02:18:57,960 --> 02:19:00,000
 But I don't wanna see anybody pushed out

2520
02:19:00,000 --> 02:19:02,440
 and I know, I guess you'll be the one

2521
02:19:02,440 --> 02:19:04,040
 who makes the determination if they're ready.

2522
02:19:04,040 --> 02:19:06,840
 I mean, I could come to you and tell you I'm ready

2523
02:19:06,840 --> 02:19:10,320
 and I may not be, I mean, if y'all are gonna evaluate

2524
02:19:10,320 --> 02:19:11,520
 and then let them know if they're ready

2525
02:19:11,520 --> 02:19:13,960
 and then you're gonna push them out into the world.

2526
02:19:13,960 --> 02:19:17,040
 And I hate to say, but this is a cruel world we live in.

2527
02:19:17,040 --> 02:19:22,840
 And I just don't, I don't wanna see relapses

2528
02:19:22,840 --> 02:19:24,920
 because once I'm gone from you

2529
02:19:26,120 --> 02:19:28,840
 and I can't make it out in the world,

2530
02:19:28,840 --> 02:19:30,040
 I have nowhere else to go.

2531
02:19:30,040 --> 02:19:34,400
 And I'm pretty sure you're gonna have a waiting list

2532
02:19:34,400 --> 02:19:37,000
 that may be years in the making.

2533
02:19:37,000 --> 02:19:38,800
 So it may be another five, six years

2534
02:19:38,800 --> 02:19:41,680
 or I may not even be able to get back to you.

2535
02:19:41,680 --> 02:19:44,160
 I'm not concerned about while they're there,

2536
02:19:44,160 --> 02:19:46,440
 I'm concerned about when they get out.

2537
02:19:46,440 --> 02:19:50,200
 And I'm just really concerned about all the skills

2538
02:19:50,200 --> 02:19:53,640
 and all the classes that you're gonna be able to afford them

2539
02:19:53,640 --> 02:19:56,680
 so they'll be able to actually get out into the real world.

2540
02:19:56,680 --> 02:19:59,280
 - Yes, and I hear that and I respect that.

2541
02:19:59,280 --> 02:20:02,160
 Our hope with having that up to two years

2542
02:20:02,160 --> 02:20:06,360
 or between two to five years, with that provision

2543
02:20:06,360 --> 02:20:09,080
 is that we can give people that extended period of time.

2544
02:20:09,080 --> 02:20:12,120
 And we are hoping to engage, Leanne came up,

2545
02:20:12,120 --> 02:20:14,920
 but to engage in job skills courses.

2546
02:20:14,920 --> 02:20:18,840
 We partner with NCTC, working with some different programs

2547
02:20:18,840 --> 02:20:21,320
 that are in the community so that we are helping them

2548
02:20:21,320 --> 02:20:26,120
 to get the skills that they need to make changes, so.

2549
02:20:26,120 --> 02:20:28,840
 - And Michelle, just before Leanne comes up,

2550
02:20:28,840 --> 02:20:31,320
 for the record, will you give your name and address,

2551
02:20:31,320 --> 02:20:33,680
 please, and for those listening and watching, please?

2552
02:20:33,680 --> 02:20:35,440
 - Yes, my name is Michelle Connor

2553
02:20:35,440 --> 02:20:39,040
 and my address is 733 8th Street in Argyle, Texas.

2554
02:20:39,040 --> 02:20:40,280
 - Thank you very much.

2555
02:20:40,280 --> 02:20:41,120
 Hi, Leanne.

2556
02:20:41,120 --> 02:20:42,680
 - Hello, thank you for having us.

2557
02:20:42,680 --> 02:20:44,040
 We appreciate this opportunity.

2558
02:20:44,040 --> 02:20:45,720
 My name is Leanne Christen.

2559
02:20:45,720 --> 02:20:47,360
 I'm the CEO for Grace Like Rain.

2560
02:20:47,360 --> 02:20:51,160
 I live at 1805 Wicked Court in Argyle, Texas.

2561
02:20:51,160 --> 02:20:55,880
 And just to expand on what Michelle was saying,

2562
02:20:55,880 --> 02:20:59,480
 this organization has been doing this work,

2563
02:20:59,480 --> 02:21:03,160
 case managing them successfully for over five years now.

2564
02:21:03,160 --> 02:21:05,120
 And we don't have that housing

2565
02:21:05,120 --> 02:21:07,320
 for them to transition into right now.

2566
02:21:07,320 --> 02:21:10,960
 So our program is effective, it's proven.

2567
02:21:10,960 --> 02:21:13,040
 It has been proven to be effective

2568
02:21:13,040 --> 02:21:16,960
 without this place for them to land.

2569
02:21:16,960 --> 02:21:20,260
 And we've been utilizing current resources,

2570
02:21:20,260 --> 02:21:25,260
 meaning current environment with the single units,

2571
02:21:25,260 --> 02:21:30,280
 the multifamily units with current rates, fair market rates.

2572
02:21:30,280 --> 02:21:32,320
 So we have been working with the families

2573
02:21:32,320 --> 02:21:37,320
 that go from at risk of being homeless or are, in this case,

2574
02:21:37,320 --> 02:21:40,000
 between the two organizations that are homeless.

2575
02:21:40,000 --> 02:21:42,640
 And we have a number of success stories

2576
02:21:42,640 --> 02:21:45,420
 that prove that this model works

2577
02:21:45,420 --> 02:21:48,100
 and that with this intervention, if you will,

2578
02:21:48,100 --> 02:21:50,200
 or this place for them to land,

2579
02:21:50,200 --> 02:21:54,040
 that only provides them the extra resources

2580
02:21:54,040 --> 02:21:56,240
 and supporting services to ensure

2581
02:21:56,240 --> 02:21:57,680
 that they don't go backwards.

2582
02:21:57,680 --> 02:22:00,740
 That's our entire mission is to break the cycle

2583
02:22:00,740 --> 02:22:04,080
 of those being at risk of homelessness.

2584
02:22:04,080 --> 02:22:06,640
 - Okay, I guess my last question

2585
02:22:06,640 --> 02:22:09,680
 is I saw you had transportation and childcare.

2586
02:22:09,680 --> 02:22:14,120
 Now, I don't know what type of childcare I mean,

2587
02:22:14,120 --> 02:22:16,480
 but most jobs they have multiple shifts

2588
02:22:16,480 --> 02:22:19,880
 and there may be a one in 10 chance

2589
02:22:19,880 --> 02:22:22,680
 that I'll be able to get a daytime job.

2590
02:22:22,680 --> 02:22:26,800
 Are you looking at a 24 hour daycare service?

2591
02:22:26,800 --> 02:22:28,620
 - I'll let Michelle answer that.

2592
02:22:28,620 --> 02:22:32,000
 - We haven't defined exactly what the building,

2593
02:22:32,000 --> 02:22:34,600
 as far as the actual daycare service will be involved

2594
02:22:34,600 --> 02:22:38,120
 or open, what we have used in the past as an organization

2595
02:22:38,120 --> 02:22:41,040
 is creative means to help our family succeed.

2596
02:22:41,040 --> 02:22:43,720
 So we have approved volunteers,

2597
02:22:43,720 --> 02:22:46,040
 hopefully by having and peeing in a community,

2598
02:22:46,040 --> 02:22:49,000
 we may have volunteers that can help monitor,

2599
02:22:49,000 --> 02:22:50,400
 watch kids overnight.

2600
02:22:50,400 --> 02:22:53,200
 So there will be options that we work with families

2601
02:22:53,200 --> 02:22:55,240
 within their schedules,

2602
02:22:55,240 --> 02:22:57,520
 but we wanna take it on an individual basis.

2603
02:22:57,520 --> 02:23:00,920
 I don't wanna keep an entire center open for two children,

2604
02:23:00,920 --> 02:23:03,620
 but we will work with that family

2605
02:23:03,620 --> 02:23:05,200
 based upon their individual needs.

2606
02:23:05,200 --> 02:23:07,320
 That's one of the biggest things of our program

2607
02:23:07,320 --> 02:23:10,960
 is that individualized care that each family gets.

2608
02:23:10,960 --> 02:23:12,480
 - Okay, and the last question,

2609
02:23:12,480 --> 02:23:14,280
 what type of transportation are you?

2610
02:23:14,280 --> 02:23:16,560
 I saw you had transportation.

2611
02:23:16,560 --> 02:23:19,680
 - Transportation, so again, we get creative

2612
02:23:19,680 --> 02:23:22,540
 based upon the individual family's needs.

2613
02:23:22,540 --> 02:23:24,800
 We try to utilize bus routes if possible,

2614
02:23:24,800 --> 02:23:26,680
 but with kids, we know that's really hard,

2615
02:23:26,680 --> 02:23:28,240
 especially getting to childcare and work

2616
02:23:28,240 --> 02:23:30,200
 in all those different places.

2617
02:23:30,200 --> 02:23:35,080
 We utilize now the GoZone, we use that quite a bit.

2618
02:23:35,080 --> 02:23:38,640
 We also have volunteer drivers that might help take someone

2619
02:23:38,640 --> 02:23:41,740
 to a meeting or an appointment or something like that.

2620
02:23:41,740 --> 02:23:43,680
 We have in the past been able to connect people

2621
02:23:43,680 --> 02:23:45,360
 to donated vehicles.

2622
02:23:45,360 --> 02:23:47,720
 There's different means that we can do,

2623
02:23:47,720 --> 02:23:50,640
 and again, it's based on the individual care.

2624
02:23:50,640 --> 02:23:52,160
 If we felt like it was a need

2625
02:23:52,160 --> 02:23:54,000
 once the community is completely full,

2626
02:23:54,000 --> 02:23:56,000
 I think we've talked about even group transportation

2627
02:23:56,000 --> 02:23:58,960
 within the community if we felt like it was a need.

2628
02:23:58,960 --> 02:24:01,880
 - Okay, I gotta say, I love the concept,

2629
02:24:01,880 --> 02:24:03,800
 and I wish you all the best.

2630
02:24:03,800 --> 02:24:05,920
 - Well, thank you. - Thank you.

2631
02:24:05,920 --> 02:24:07,000
 - Commissioner Anderson.

2632
02:24:07,000 --> 02:24:08,520
 - Thanks, Madam Chair.

2633
02:24:08,520 --> 02:24:09,920
 First, I really like the concept.

2634
02:24:09,920 --> 02:24:11,880
 I think it's a neat idea.

2635
02:24:11,880 --> 02:24:14,360
 And I think your product has a place here.

2636
02:24:14,360 --> 02:24:17,960
 I think it will fit the community.

2637
02:24:17,960 --> 02:24:20,720
 But my question, I got a couple of questions,

2638
02:24:20,720 --> 02:24:24,800
 is what did the neighboring homeowners say

2639
02:24:24,800 --> 02:24:26,000
 when y'all said y'all had a little meeting,

2640
02:24:26,000 --> 02:24:28,080
 y'all met, y'all didn't have a neighborhood meeting,

2641
02:24:28,080 --> 02:24:30,340
 but y'all had a meeting with some of the neighbors?

2642
02:24:30,340 --> 02:24:32,880
 I just kinda wondered what they thought.

2643
02:24:32,880 --> 02:24:34,880
 - Amy handled that part.

2644
02:24:34,880 --> 02:24:42,200
 So there's not a lot of actually neighbors immediate.

2645
02:24:42,200 --> 02:24:44,560
 We had multiple conversations

2646
02:24:44,560 --> 02:24:48,160
 with the affordable housing development

2647
02:24:48,160 --> 02:24:50,000
 that's going in next door.

2648
02:24:50,000 --> 02:24:55,000
 And we've mutually agreed to support each other.

2649
02:24:55,000 --> 02:24:58,440
 We think that's a good symbiology.

2650
02:24:58,440 --> 02:25:00,680
 Ryan High School has had no issue with it.

2651
02:25:00,680 --> 02:25:04,640
 Beyond that, there's no directly immediate neighbors

2652
02:25:04,640 --> 02:25:07,620
 that we're aware of, and everybody that was notified,

2653
02:25:07,620 --> 02:25:09,500
 we didn't get any responses from.

2654
02:25:09,500 --> 02:25:13,840
 - Okay, next question, you stated that the product pricing

2655
02:25:13,840 --> 02:25:16,560
 is around 550 to 650 a month.

2656
02:25:16,560 --> 02:25:18,960
 Is that one bedroom, or is that for a two bedroom,

2657
02:25:18,960 --> 02:25:21,780
 three bedroom, or is that based off per room, or?

2658
02:25:21,780 --> 02:25:25,920
 - How many units, sorry.

2659
02:25:25,920 --> 02:25:30,180
 We will probably start at 550 for the two bedroom,

2660
02:25:30,180 --> 02:25:33,760
 and then go up between 25 to $50 from there.

2661
02:25:33,760 --> 02:25:35,740
 We're working on our pricing models

2662
02:25:35,740 --> 02:25:37,180
 versus the sustainability

2663
02:25:37,180 --> 02:25:39,420
 for the self-sustainability of the program.

2664
02:25:39,420 --> 02:25:43,600
 As we speak, and we're at a place that with those rates,

2665
02:25:43,600 --> 02:25:46,040
 we can sustain and get even more,

2666
02:25:46,040 --> 02:25:48,520
 like be at that point sustained.

2667
02:25:48,520 --> 02:25:50,800
 - Well, good, no, I wish you all best luck.

2668
02:25:50,800 --> 02:25:51,640
 - Thank you.

2669
02:25:51,640 --> 02:25:53,080
 - But you might think about this,

2670
02:25:53,080 --> 02:25:55,360
 since there are people that are maybe without jobs

2671
02:25:55,360 --> 02:25:56,580
 that need the help and stuff like this,

2672
02:25:56,580 --> 02:25:58,800
 you might ask one of the wives to sit there

2673
02:25:58,800 --> 02:25:59,880
 and volunteer to work up there,

2674
02:25:59,880 --> 02:26:03,000
 and the childcare thing to take care of some kids

2675
02:26:03,000 --> 02:26:04,720
 to help work off their rents or something like this.

2676
02:26:04,720 --> 02:26:05,600
 Maybe that's an idea.

2677
02:26:05,600 --> 02:26:06,440
 - That's a great idea.

2678
02:26:06,440 --> 02:26:08,400
 Micro-enterprising is part of our,

2679
02:26:08,400 --> 02:26:09,800
 is actually part of our plan

2680
02:26:09,800 --> 02:26:13,560
 to provide employment on site for some of our families.

2681
02:26:13,560 --> 02:26:14,880
 - Well, good, wish you all the best of luck.

2682
02:26:14,880 --> 02:26:15,720
 - Thank you.

2683
02:26:15,720 --> 02:26:18,680
 - That's a great word, micro-enterprising.

2684
02:26:18,680 --> 02:26:20,120
 I love the word, that's great.

2685
02:26:20,120 --> 02:26:23,720
 Quick question, do you have management staff

2686
02:26:23,720 --> 02:26:27,480
 on site living on, I mean, you don't have this concept yet.

2687
02:26:27,480 --> 02:26:30,080
 In your mind, is that the plan?

2688
02:26:30,080 --> 02:26:32,120
 - So in our mind, yes.

2689
02:26:32,120 --> 02:26:34,520
 Well, we'll have facilities management, of course.

2690
02:26:34,520 --> 02:26:37,720
 We'll have staff management there during the day,

2691
02:26:37,720 --> 02:26:39,840
 and we have talked about having

2692
02:26:39,840 --> 02:26:43,360
 missional families or families that live on site

2693
02:26:43,360 --> 02:26:45,920
 that their intentionality is to engage.

2694
02:26:45,920 --> 02:26:47,560
 They may not be participating in the program,

2695
02:26:47,560 --> 02:26:50,180
 but we'd have a few scattered throughout the community

2696
02:26:50,180 --> 02:26:53,040
 that their purpose is to engage

2697
02:26:53,040 --> 02:26:55,400
 in helping the other families on the neighborhood.

2698
02:26:55,400 --> 02:26:57,340
 So take maybe a volunteer family

2699
02:26:57,340 --> 02:26:58,360
 that would be living there.

2700
02:26:58,360 --> 02:27:00,000
 - Understood. - So, okay.

2701
02:27:00,000 --> 02:27:01,960
 - Thank you, Commissioner Pruitt.

2702
02:27:01,960 --> 02:27:03,400
 - Thank you, Chair.

2703
02:27:03,400 --> 02:27:06,280
 I guess this is, this may be somebody else,

2704
02:27:06,280 --> 02:27:07,880
 but about, I heard a few things

2705
02:27:07,880 --> 02:27:09,640
 about transportation and parking.

2706
02:27:09,640 --> 02:27:11,360
 I just wanted to make sure I was understanding this.

2707
02:27:11,360 --> 02:27:14,240
 So it sounds like many of your clients

2708
02:27:14,240 --> 02:27:17,880
 may have fewer than multiple cars per family

2709
02:27:17,880 --> 02:27:19,760
 because of the number of people in these families

2710
02:27:19,760 --> 02:27:22,760
 is suggested to be several units of different size,

2711
02:27:22,760 --> 02:27:24,640
 two, three, four bedrooms,

2712
02:27:24,640 --> 02:27:26,360
 but we're still parking it at a ratio

2713
02:27:26,360 --> 02:27:29,520
 of one parking space per bedroom, is that correct?

2714
02:27:29,520 --> 02:27:32,040
 - Yes, I think, I mean, you could talk about it.

2715
02:27:32,040 --> 02:27:35,080
 Most of our families do not have multiple vehicles.

2716
02:27:35,080 --> 02:27:36,520
 - Right.

2717
02:27:36,520 --> 02:27:38,120
 - Or one vehicle. - Okay.

2718
02:27:38,120 --> 02:27:41,440
 - So when we first designed the site plan,

2719
02:27:41,440 --> 02:27:44,800
 we tried to park it to code for multifamily

2720
02:27:44,800 --> 02:27:49,800
 and the end result was one vehicle per bedroom.

2721
02:27:49,800 --> 02:27:56,520
 So it's probably above what is actually necessary.

2722
02:27:56,520 --> 02:27:59,200
 And we've actually talked about that with the city

2723
02:27:59,200 --> 02:28:02,480
 about in other transitional housing scenarios,

2724
02:28:02,480 --> 02:28:04,440
 that might be too high,

2725
02:28:04,440 --> 02:28:07,400
 but it's defined specifically within this PD

2726
02:28:07,400 --> 02:28:11,600
 so that it could be changed in other scenarios

2727
02:28:11,600 --> 02:28:13,200
 where it might be less.

2728
02:28:13,200 --> 02:28:16,120
 In this specifics instance, it just happens to work

2729
02:28:16,120 --> 02:28:18,320
 where it can be parked that way.

2730
02:28:18,320 --> 02:28:23,320
 So it is one per bedroom today on the residential side,

2731
02:28:23,320 --> 02:28:26,560
 and then it's parked to code on the commercial side.

2732
02:28:26,560 --> 02:28:31,000
 That's probably a little more than is necessary,

2733
02:28:31,000 --> 02:28:32,560
 honestly, in my opinion,

2734
02:28:32,560 --> 02:28:35,120
 but it's just how the math worked out

2735
02:28:35,120 --> 02:28:39,240
 in terms of trying to figure out how to make this work

2736
02:28:39,240 --> 02:28:42,160
 as it relates to the existing development code.

2737
02:28:42,160 --> 02:28:45,720
 - Yeah, so I understand that everything is complicated.

2738
02:28:45,720 --> 02:28:47,360
 I'm not trying to upset the apple cart.

2739
02:28:47,360 --> 02:28:50,720
 I just, just from a fundamental perspective,

2740
02:28:50,720 --> 02:28:55,720
 if ignoring the fact that the riparian areas, et cetera,

2741
02:28:55,720 --> 02:28:59,960
 kind of make it so that you're not having to give up

2742
02:28:59,960 --> 02:29:02,520
 as much land to provide the parking,

2743
02:29:02,520 --> 02:29:06,280
 if you didn't have to construct as much parking,

2744
02:29:06,280 --> 02:29:07,680
 would that reduce the cost

2745
02:29:07,680 --> 02:29:09,800
 and therefore allow these organizations

2746
02:29:09,800 --> 02:29:11,320
 to serve more families in general?

2747
02:29:11,320 --> 02:29:13,200
 - Absolutely, I think, I mean,

2748
02:29:13,200 --> 02:29:14,480
 you would reduce the parking,

2749
02:29:14,480 --> 02:29:16,960
 but you would add number of units in the future

2750
02:29:16,960 --> 02:29:21,120
 that would increase the cost overall.

2751
02:29:21,120 --> 02:29:25,160
 But we were able to meet the goals of the nonprofit

2752
02:29:25,160 --> 02:29:29,040
 in terms of the number of families they wanted to serve

2753
02:29:29,040 --> 02:29:32,720
 based on the site demographics or the site characteristics

2754
02:29:32,720 --> 02:29:35,160
 and make it work with that parking count.

2755
02:29:35,160 --> 02:29:42,320
 - Sure, I just wanted to follow up on that item.

2756
02:29:42,320 --> 02:29:44,960
 Excuse me, the way that the PD has written

2757
02:29:44,960 --> 02:29:48,640
 is that the only change to the parking requirements

2758
02:29:48,640 --> 02:29:52,440
 is related to adding the parking for transitional housing.

2759
02:29:52,440 --> 02:29:54,800
 They're actually still complying with the DDC,

2760
02:29:54,800 --> 02:29:56,400
 which would allow parking alternatives

2761
02:29:56,400 --> 02:29:58,120
 to reduce that parking.

2762
02:29:58,120 --> 02:30:00,520
 So there is some flexibility in the code

2763
02:30:00,520 --> 02:30:03,040
 that would allow them to then reduce that parking

2764
02:30:03,040 --> 02:30:05,560
 to have less on the site.

2765
02:30:05,560 --> 02:30:07,400
 So just wanna make that clarification.

2766
02:30:07,400 --> 02:30:08,560
 - Thanks, Greta.

2767
02:30:08,560 --> 02:30:09,400
 - Commissioner Smith.

2768
02:30:09,400 --> 02:30:11,000
 - Thank you, Chair.

2769
02:30:11,000 --> 02:30:15,360
 On the definition piece, would it be, as the applicant,

2770
02:30:15,360 --> 02:30:17,520
 would you guys be okay with us scratching out

2771
02:30:17,520 --> 02:30:19,560
 defined by case management participation in the program

2772
02:30:19,560 --> 02:30:22,040
 and putting down said traditional housing operator

2773
02:30:22,040 --> 02:30:24,560
 or property owner or property operator?

2774
02:30:24,560 --> 02:30:26,680
 Is that feasible?

2775
02:30:26,680 --> 02:30:27,640
 - I would think so.

2776
02:30:27,640 --> 02:30:30,520
 You're the property operator today.

2777
02:30:30,520 --> 02:30:31,360
 - Wouldn't be necessarily the owner.

2778
02:30:31,360 --> 02:30:34,200
 - So you would be able to determine

2779
02:30:34,200 --> 02:30:37,240
 the amount of time defined.

2780
02:30:37,240 --> 02:30:40,160
 And if it left your hands, it wouldn't matter

2781
02:30:40,160 --> 02:30:42,960
 if it went to somebody else, what their timeframe was.

2782
02:30:42,960 --> 02:30:44,280
 Are you good with that?

2783
02:30:44,280 --> 02:30:45,120
 Yes.

2784
02:30:45,120 --> 02:30:48,920
 - So defined by, within 24 months or a period longer,

2785
02:30:48,920 --> 02:30:52,160
 defined by the property operator.

2786
02:30:52,160 --> 02:30:53,560
 - Yes, we're fine with that.

2787
02:30:58,200 --> 02:31:00,200
 - I'm not sure I like that better than case management.

2788
02:31:00,200 --> 02:31:06,200
 Can I ask why you don't like case management?

2789
02:31:06,200 --> 02:31:09,040
 'Cause this is a collective effort, obviously.

2790
02:31:09,040 --> 02:31:11,680
 We're trying to, we're doing a lot for these people

2791
02:31:11,680 --> 02:31:12,520
 who are transitioning.

2792
02:31:12,520 --> 02:31:14,960
 There's a lot going on, so there's a lot.

2793
02:31:14,960 --> 02:31:16,760
 - It references, it's referencing something

2794
02:31:16,760 --> 02:31:21,760
 that seems extremely specific to whenever,

2795
02:31:21,760 --> 02:31:23,480
 this definition should be a little more general

2796
02:31:23,480 --> 02:31:25,120
 within the way that it's being done.

2797
02:31:25,120 --> 02:31:27,520
 This definition should be a little more general within the way

2798
02:31:27,520 --> 02:31:30,520
 that it's built and calling it by the case management

2799
02:31:30,520 --> 02:31:33,000
 participation in the program.

2800
02:31:33,000 --> 02:31:35,920
 It seems like it's pointing way too specific to something

2801
02:31:35,920 --> 02:31:38,600
 that if it's just, it says the exact same thing

2802
02:31:38,600 --> 02:31:39,920
 but in more general terms.

2803
02:31:39,920 --> 02:31:41,880
 So it doesn't fall out a lot with the definition.

2804
02:31:41,880 --> 02:31:44,480
 - So my only concern with it, and I'll certainly let

2805
02:31:44,480 --> 02:31:49,040
 one of you speak to this, but my concern with that

2806
02:31:49,040 --> 02:31:51,840
 would be there's probably multiple entities

2807
02:31:51,840 --> 02:31:55,320
 of a case management team, I would think.

2808
02:31:55,320 --> 02:31:57,400
 It's not going to be just you all

2809
02:31:57,400 --> 02:31:58,840
 or whoever's operating the property

2810
02:31:58,840 --> 02:32:01,120
 making a decision on someone's ability

2811
02:32:01,120 --> 02:32:06,120
 to transition out of this type of housing.

2812
02:32:06,120 --> 02:32:10,200
 So what if the property owner decides, yep, I want them out,

2813
02:32:10,200 --> 02:32:12,840
 and there's several people in the case management

2814
02:32:12,840 --> 02:32:15,400
 who are like, they're not ready to do that?

2815
02:32:15,400 --> 02:32:17,480
 That would be my concern with it.

2816
02:32:17,480 --> 02:32:20,520
 - That's why it's defined as the property operator,

2817
02:32:20,520 --> 02:32:21,360
 not the owner.

2818
02:32:22,360 --> 02:32:23,520
 That's why I said the operator,

2819
02:32:23,520 --> 02:32:26,400
 the person who's actually running the property there.

2820
02:32:26,400 --> 02:32:28,240
 - Yeah, Michelle, if you could come on.

2821
02:32:28,240 --> 02:32:30,320
 I would just like your professional opinion

2822
02:32:30,320 --> 02:32:34,120
 on my concern and trying to understand

2823
02:32:34,120 --> 02:32:35,720
 why we want to do that.

2824
02:32:35,720 --> 02:32:38,520
 - I think I can understand why you're saying

2825
02:32:38,520 --> 02:32:40,600
 case management program 'cause that is specific

2826
02:32:40,600 --> 02:32:43,200
 and everybody defines case management differently,

2827
02:32:43,200 --> 02:32:45,640
 but I understand what you're saying too.

2828
02:32:45,640 --> 02:32:49,320
 So give me a minute, wrapping my brain around it.

2829
02:32:49,320 --> 02:32:54,320
 Well, you had case management in there to begin with, so.

2830
02:32:54,320 --> 02:33:01,000
 - Can we just get clarification on the concern regarding,

2831
02:33:01,000 --> 02:33:04,000
 so as I understand it, you're trying to make

2832
02:33:04,000 --> 02:33:09,000
 a broader definition for future concerns beyond us.

2833
02:33:09,000 --> 02:33:10,080
 - Sure, that, I mean.

2834
02:33:10,080 --> 02:33:15,080
 - And so this definition is in place forever, right?

2835
02:33:16,920 --> 02:33:21,400
 - Yeah, without a PD amendment, correct, yeah, forever.

2836
02:33:21,400 --> 02:33:26,320
 - And so with that understanding, if we were all to move on,

2837
02:33:26,320 --> 02:33:31,320
 and this is in place, we obviously can't guarantee

2838
02:33:31,320 --> 02:33:36,320
 that it'll remain transitional housing, is that correct?

2839
02:33:36,320 --> 02:33:40,120
 - Or it could be bought by one organization,

2840
02:33:40,120 --> 02:33:43,200
 but then as RAN is basically operated by a nonprofit

2841
02:33:43,200 --> 02:33:45,480
 that the organization owns the property,

2842
02:33:45,480 --> 02:33:47,520
 not the nonprofit, but the nonprofit is in there

2843
02:33:47,520 --> 02:33:50,800
 and operating within there so that there's some separation,

2844
02:33:50,800 --> 02:33:53,240
 but then, okay, who's actually the one in charge

2845
02:33:53,240 --> 02:33:54,520
 of this, the case management operation?

2846
02:33:54,520 --> 02:33:55,360
 - Can you do and/or?

2847
02:33:55,360 --> 02:33:56,200
 - Say it again.

2848
02:33:56,200 --> 02:33:57,640
 - Can you do and/or?

2849
02:33:57,640 --> 02:33:58,480
 - I mean, sure.

2850
02:33:58,480 --> 02:33:59,400
 - Case management and--

2851
02:33:59,400 --> 02:34:01,560
 - So, okay, if I could just interrupt,

2852
02:34:01,560 --> 02:34:04,400
 I'm really, I'm struggling here with,

2853
02:34:04,400 --> 02:34:08,360
 the reason for a PD is to highlight and be specific

2854
02:34:08,360 --> 02:34:11,160
 of what the use of the property is going to be.

2855
02:34:11,160 --> 02:34:15,200
 And I feel like if somebody else wanted to come in

2856
02:34:15,200 --> 02:34:18,360
 and change the use of what this PD is,

2857
02:34:18,360 --> 02:34:20,960
 we have a mechanism in the city to come and do that,

2858
02:34:20,960 --> 02:34:23,360
 and that's by either a PD amendment

2859
02:34:23,360 --> 02:34:25,800
 or rezoning of the property at that point.

2860
02:34:25,800 --> 02:34:30,160
 So to me, you know, I hear what you're saying,

2861
02:34:30,160 --> 02:34:31,880
 I don't agree with what you're saying

2862
02:34:31,880 --> 02:34:34,920
 because I feel like it's rewriting the definition

2863
02:34:34,920 --> 02:34:39,200
 that is before us in this request,

2864
02:34:39,200 --> 02:34:43,000
 and I don't like trying to define something

2865
02:34:43,000 --> 02:34:45,560
 that might happen in the future with the request

2866
02:34:45,560 --> 02:34:47,400
 that's before us, I'm sorry, Hillary.

2867
02:34:47,400 --> 02:34:51,840
 - If I could just pipe in from a drafting perspective,

2868
02:34:51,840 --> 02:34:53,960
 I think, Commissioner, you're concerned with the inclusion

2869
02:34:53,960 --> 02:34:57,720
 of what appears to be a defined term in the definition

2870
02:34:57,720 --> 02:35:00,200
 that is not separately defined.

2871
02:35:00,200 --> 02:35:02,280
 So perhaps we could express the same idea

2872
02:35:02,280 --> 02:35:06,760
 by saying something like defined by the case management

2873
02:35:06,760 --> 02:35:11,760
 or defined by the support services provider team,

2874
02:35:12,800 --> 02:35:17,200
 rather than referencing a term of art that isn't defined.

2875
02:35:17,200 --> 02:35:20,680
 - Yeah, that's exactly the point that I'm trying to make

2876
02:35:20,680 --> 02:35:22,880
 is that it's, we're referencing something specific

2877
02:35:22,880 --> 02:35:24,480
 that's not defined elsewhere in the definition,

2878
02:35:24,480 --> 02:35:27,640
 and so, yeah, if it's case management,

2879
02:35:27,640 --> 02:35:30,320
 case management, you said processor,

2880
02:35:30,320 --> 02:35:32,680
 or the project management team.

2881
02:35:32,680 --> 02:35:36,920
 We can give a recess if we want to, I guess, to.

2882
02:35:36,920 --> 02:35:39,560
 - May I speak?

2883
02:35:39,560 --> 02:35:42,160
 I think the issue with property operator

2884
02:35:42,160 --> 02:35:44,760
 is that it could be a property owner

2885
02:35:44,760 --> 02:35:47,760
 that is not associated with the program management

2886
02:35:47,760 --> 02:35:49,520
 if they've leased it to the program.

2887
02:35:49,520 --> 02:35:53,680
 So I agree with that delineation

2888
02:35:53,680 --> 02:35:56,360
 that we need to maybe try to refine that definition

2889
02:35:56,360 --> 02:36:00,960
 a little bit more so that we know 20 years from now,

2890
02:36:00,960 --> 02:36:03,600
 whether it's somebody who's leasing the property

2891
02:36:03,600 --> 02:36:05,440
 or somebody who's operating a nonprofit

2892
02:36:05,440 --> 02:36:06,600
 who's leasing the property,

2893
02:36:06,600 --> 02:36:10,120
 like who's in charge of that decision, so.

2894
02:36:12,880 --> 02:36:16,880
 - Okay, this is still a public hearing.

2895
02:36:16,880 --> 02:36:18,840
 I don't see any more questions at the moment.

2896
02:36:18,840 --> 02:36:20,440
 Ladies, thank you.

2897
02:36:20,440 --> 02:36:22,840
 Is there anyone in the audience wishing to speak?

2898
02:36:22,840 --> 02:36:25,440
 I don't have any cards at this moment in front of me,

2899
02:36:25,440 --> 02:36:27,840
 but you are welcome to speak on this item.

2900
02:36:27,840 --> 02:36:33,440
 Staff, do we have any callers on this item?

2901
02:36:33,440 --> 02:36:37,480
 - We do not have any callers.

2902
02:36:37,480 --> 02:36:38,400
 - Thank you.

2903
02:36:38,400 --> 02:36:41,760
 With that, I will go ahead and close the public hearing,

2904
02:36:41,760 --> 02:36:44,920
 and then open the floor at this time

2905
02:36:44,920 --> 02:36:50,040
 for a motion or discussion.

2906
02:36:50,040 --> 02:36:55,640
 Commissioner Anderson.

2907
02:36:55,640 --> 02:37:01,840
 - I'd like to make a motion to approve this PD.

2908
02:37:01,840 --> 02:37:09,200
 - Okay, approving the way staff has presented?

2909
02:37:09,200 --> 02:37:11,440
 - Well, apparently there's new verbiage,

2910
02:37:11,440 --> 02:37:12,520
 so I'll do a friendly. - I'll do a friendly.

2911
02:37:12,520 --> 02:37:13,360
 - Dan, would you read the verbiage?

2912
02:37:13,360 --> 02:37:14,200
 - I'll do a friendly.

2913
02:37:14,200 --> 02:37:16,280
 - Okay.

2914
02:37:16,280 --> 02:37:18,280
 Do you wanna hold off your motion?

2915
02:37:18,280 --> 02:37:19,280
 What is your motion?

2916
02:37:19,280 --> 02:37:25,160
 - I would like to hear what the verbiage says, then, first.

2917
02:37:25,160 --> 02:37:27,040
 - So you're withdrawing your motion

2918
02:37:27,040 --> 02:37:28,440
 on the floor at the moment?

2919
02:37:28,440 --> 02:37:29,260
 - Sure.

2920
02:37:29,260 --> 02:37:30,280
 - Okay.

2921
02:37:30,280 --> 02:37:32,040
 Commissioner Smith.

2922
02:37:32,040 --> 02:37:35,440
 - Make a motion to approve with the definition as stated

2923
02:37:35,440 --> 02:37:38,720
 within 24 months or a longer period

2924
02:37:38,720 --> 02:37:42,880
 defined by program participation and support services team.

2925
02:37:42,880 --> 02:37:49,000
 And then a striking of the non-profit organization

2926
02:37:49,000 --> 02:37:52,320
 as the only operator or owner of the property.

2927
02:37:52,320 --> 02:37:56,120
 - Okay, can you read that one more time?

2928
02:37:56,120 --> 02:37:57,720
 - Sure.

2929
02:37:57,720 --> 02:38:00,960
 Make a motion to approve as presented with changes

2930
02:38:00,960 --> 02:38:04,120
 to removing the verbiage operated

2931
02:38:04,120 --> 02:38:05,920
 by a non-profit organization,

2932
02:38:05,920 --> 02:38:08,720
 and then a change in the transitional housing definition,

2933
02:38:08,720 --> 02:38:11,840
 changing the wording to within 24 months

2934
02:38:11,840 --> 02:38:14,960
 or a longer period defined by program participation

2935
02:38:14,960 --> 02:38:16,320
 and support services team.

2936
02:38:16,320 --> 02:38:20,880
 - Commissioner Anderson.

2937
02:38:20,880 --> 02:38:21,960
 - Second.

2938
02:38:21,960 --> 02:38:24,080
 - Okay, we've got a first and a second

2939
02:38:24,080 --> 02:38:27,000
 for approval of the request with the amended verbiage

2940
02:38:27,000 --> 02:38:28,840
 that was read by Commissioner Smith.

2941
02:38:28,840 --> 02:38:31,240
 Discussion?

2942
02:38:34,000 --> 02:38:36,080
 Commissioner Smith, do you have more or you're,

2943
02:38:36,080 --> 02:38:38,240
 no, okay, Commissioner Perrett.

2944
02:38:38,240 --> 02:38:39,720
 - Thank you, Chair.

2945
02:38:39,720 --> 02:38:43,200
 Just briefly, I'd like to be clear

2946
02:38:43,200 --> 02:38:46,320
 on some of the directions that I've done.

2947
02:38:46,320 --> 02:38:50,280
 I'm glad to see this moving forward.

2948
02:38:50,280 --> 02:38:52,320
 It's been too long since we've had this.

2949
02:38:52,320 --> 02:38:53,760
 We had this need for a long time,

2950
02:38:53,760 --> 02:38:56,400
 so thank you for all the care and design

2951
02:38:56,400 --> 02:38:57,400
 that's gone into it.

2952
02:38:57,400 --> 02:39:03,720
 With respect, I think I've heard many different opinions

2953
02:39:03,840 --> 02:39:08,720
 and uses of PD amendments or PD zoning districts

2954
02:39:08,720 --> 02:39:09,560
 over the years.

2955
02:39:09,560 --> 02:39:15,480
 Sometimes it's a PD for a residential development

2956
02:39:15,480 --> 02:39:18,320
 that is very much based on the base zoning

2957
02:39:18,320 --> 02:39:20,720
 with some small tweaks and all the uses

2958
02:39:20,720 --> 02:39:22,840
 that would go in that base zoning are allowed.

2959
02:39:22,840 --> 02:39:27,840
 Other times it's something where for practicality reasons,

2960
02:39:27,840 --> 02:39:33,560
 there is a narrowing of uses in order to ensure

2961
02:39:33,560 --> 02:39:38,560
 that potential harms to nearby neighborhoods

2962
02:39:38,560 --> 02:39:41,880
 would not occur in the future, and I understand that.

2963
02:39:41,880 --> 02:39:45,000
 And in this case, it seems to be that the real need

2964
02:39:45,000 --> 02:39:47,040
 for the PD, which I completely understand,

2965
02:39:47,040 --> 02:39:50,440
 is to define this new use since it's not in the DDC.

2966
02:39:50,440 --> 02:39:55,960
 My concern really is that if we get in the habit

2967
02:39:55,960 --> 02:39:59,320
 of defining our PDs so narrowly

2968
02:39:59,320 --> 02:40:02,840
 that any modification of use in the future

2969
02:40:02,840 --> 02:40:05,760
 requires a dual public hearing and somebody

2970
02:40:05,760 --> 02:40:07,600
 with enough bankroll to go through

2971
02:40:07,600 --> 02:40:11,960
 the zoning change process, it strikes me

2972
02:40:11,960 --> 02:40:15,000
 as something that could hamper the adaptability

2973
02:40:15,000 --> 02:40:16,440
 of Denton in the future.

2974
02:40:16,440 --> 02:40:19,360
 As we look to our south, to our larger neighbors,

2975
02:40:19,360 --> 02:40:22,400
 there are cities that have hundreds if not thousands

2976
02:40:22,400 --> 02:40:24,440
 of planned development districts,

2977
02:40:24,440 --> 02:40:26,000
 and it's just pulling your hair out

2978
02:40:26,000 --> 02:40:29,320
 to figure out what's going on and what is allowed where.

2979
02:40:29,320 --> 02:40:32,040
 So I've said my piece, thank you,

2980
02:40:32,040 --> 02:40:34,480
 and I'm very glad to see this coming forward.

2981
02:40:34,480 --> 02:40:37,520
 - Well, and I might say maybe there's a future discussion

2982
02:40:37,520 --> 02:40:40,360
 that you need to bring up at another part of the meeting.

2983
02:40:40,360 --> 02:40:44,120
 Before we go to a vote, I just wanna say thank you

2984
02:40:44,120 --> 02:40:47,080
 for being patient and answering our questions.

2985
02:40:47,080 --> 02:40:49,720
 None of it was meant to not be excited

2986
02:40:49,720 --> 02:40:51,640
 for all the work that you're doing

2987
02:40:51,640 --> 02:40:56,640
 and the obvious need for a development such as this.

2988
02:40:56,640 --> 02:40:59,240
 We're just here to ask questions

2989
02:40:59,240 --> 02:41:00,880
 and make the best recommendation possible

2990
02:41:00,880 --> 02:41:04,080
 that we can possibly make to further this onto Council.

2991
02:41:04,080 --> 02:41:05,320
 So thank you for being patient

2992
02:41:05,320 --> 02:41:07,440
 and answering the questions for us.

2993
02:41:07,440 --> 02:41:10,200
 No further discussion?

2994
02:41:10,200 --> 02:41:12,600
 Okay, let's call for a vote on the board, please.

2995
02:41:12,600 --> 02:41:27,520
 It was Commissioner Smith and Commissioner Anderson

2996
02:41:27,520 --> 02:41:29,440
 who were the motioners.

2997
02:41:29,440 --> 02:41:31,080
 We're just, there we go, thank you.

2998
02:41:31,080 --> 02:41:36,840
 That motion carries seven, zero.

2999
02:41:36,840 --> 02:41:42,560
 Okay, with that, I will move us

3000
02:41:42,560 --> 02:41:45,560
 to our next public hearing item for CZ210018.

3001
02:41:45,560 --> 02:41:52,440
 We'll call up Karina for presentation

3002
02:41:52,440 --> 02:41:53,840
 and open the public hearing.

3003
02:42:00,440 --> 02:42:01,280
 All right.

3004
02:42:01,280 --> 02:42:06,640
 All right, thank you, Chair and Commission.

3005
02:42:06,640 --> 02:42:11,640
 The next request is for a rezoning CZ210018 Home Depot.

3006
02:42:11,640 --> 02:42:14,920
 You'll have to excuse me,

3007
02:42:14,920 --> 02:42:17,520
 my allergies are just nonstop coughing.

3008
02:42:17,520 --> 02:42:24,680
 So the request today is to amend the landscape plan

3009
02:42:24,680 --> 02:42:27,760
 within Appendix D of Exhibit D

3010
02:42:27,760 --> 02:42:30,680
 of the, or for the Marketplace District.

3011
02:42:30,680 --> 02:42:33,600
 This is located within the Razor Ranch Overlay District.

3012
02:42:33,600 --> 02:42:36,840
 As mentioned in the work session,

3013
02:42:36,840 --> 02:42:38,320
 just a reminder for everyone,

3014
02:42:38,320 --> 02:42:42,720
 the Razor Ranch Overlay District has two major campuses.

3015
02:42:42,720 --> 02:42:45,200
 North of West University Drive

3016
02:42:45,200 --> 02:42:48,240
 is the Marketplace District, or North Campus,

3017
02:42:48,240 --> 02:42:50,920
 and on the south side is the South Campus,

3018
02:42:50,920 --> 02:42:53,360
 which has several sub-areas.

3019
02:42:53,360 --> 02:42:55,560
 But we're focused on the Marketplace today.

3020
02:42:57,120 --> 02:42:59,360
 So just a description of the subject site.

3021
02:42:59,360 --> 02:43:03,240
 It's highlighted in red on this map,

3022
02:43:03,240 --> 02:43:04,840
 but just to let you know,

3023
02:43:04,840 --> 02:43:08,200
 within the Marketplace, there are a few sub-areas.

3024
02:43:08,200 --> 02:43:09,760
 This particular site is located

3025
02:43:09,760 --> 02:43:14,360
 in the RR3 sub-area of the Marketplace.

3026
02:43:14,360 --> 02:43:17,320
 So as it relates to the amendment to the landscape plan,

3027
02:43:17,320 --> 02:43:23,280
 this amendment is specific to Lot 11

3028
02:43:23,280 --> 02:43:24,800
 of the Razor Ranch North Edition.

3029
02:43:24,800 --> 02:43:29,160
 So this is the westernmost property within Marketplace.

3030
02:43:29,160 --> 02:43:31,520
 So within the RR3 sub-area,

3031
02:43:31,520 --> 02:43:36,120
 any development is required to follow the ordinances

3032
02:43:36,120 --> 02:43:38,120
 tied to the Razor Ranch Overlay.

3033
02:43:38,120 --> 02:43:40,200
 So any development on this property

3034
02:43:40,200 --> 02:43:42,600
 would need to comply with Exhibit C,

3035
02:43:42,600 --> 02:43:44,240
 architectural standards.

3036
02:43:44,240 --> 02:43:47,080
 Exhibit D, which is the landscape standards,

3037
02:43:47,080 --> 02:43:50,480
 as well as an approved landscape plan

3038
02:43:50,480 --> 02:43:52,600
 that covers the entire Marketplace,

3039
02:43:52,600 --> 02:43:55,880
 as well as Exhibit C, which is the sign standards

3040
02:43:55,880 --> 02:43:57,560
 for this area.

3041
02:43:57,560 --> 02:44:00,280
 So again, any new development on this property

3042
02:44:00,280 --> 02:44:03,200
 would have to comply with those previously approved

3043
02:44:03,200 --> 02:44:04,040
 design standards,

3044
02:44:04,040 --> 02:44:07,320
 as well as that previously approved landscape plan.

3045
02:44:07,320 --> 02:44:10,440
 So this is the current landscape plan,

3046
02:44:10,440 --> 02:44:12,280
 as shown on the screen.

3047
02:44:12,280 --> 02:44:14,760
 So we're not focused on the remaining area.

3048
02:44:14,760 --> 02:44:17,840
 The amendment is specific to Lot 11,

3049
02:44:17,840 --> 02:44:19,240
 which is highlighted in red.

3050
02:44:21,680 --> 02:44:25,560
 So the request is to amend, again, that specific lot

3051
02:44:25,560 --> 02:44:28,040
 to facilitate the development

3052
02:44:28,040 --> 02:44:31,720
 of a home improvement store on this property.

3053
02:44:31,720 --> 02:44:35,040
 So what is not happening today is there is no change

3054
02:44:35,040 --> 02:44:37,600
 in the existing landscape design standards,

3055
02:44:37,600 --> 02:44:41,400
 and there's no change to the approved use for the property.

3056
02:44:41,400 --> 02:44:46,080
 And what is being proposed is an amendment to that lot

3057
02:44:46,080 --> 02:44:48,680
 within the approved landscape plan.

3058
02:44:48,680 --> 02:44:51,080
 So there are three key things to look at

3059
02:44:51,080 --> 02:44:52,640
 within these changes.

3060
02:44:52,640 --> 02:44:55,760
 First is that the amendment to the landscape plan

3061
02:44:55,760 --> 02:45:00,040
 is to address parking changes,

3062
02:45:00,040 --> 02:45:02,240
 reconfiguring parking aisles and spaces

3063
02:45:02,240 --> 02:45:04,760
 to meet the proposed use.

3064
02:45:04,760 --> 02:45:08,760
 So the square footage and all of that jazz has not changed,

3065
02:45:08,760 --> 02:45:10,800
 but they are reconfiguring the aisles

3066
02:45:10,800 --> 02:45:12,960
 and internal circulation.

3067
02:45:12,960 --> 02:45:17,560
 And because of that, the approved plan would need to have,

3068
02:45:17,560 --> 02:45:21,800
 or would not be in compliance with the landscape plantings

3069
02:45:21,800 --> 02:45:24,480
 as shown, so they would need to reconfigure the site

3070
02:45:24,480 --> 02:45:27,680
 to show revised locations of plantings

3071
02:45:27,680 --> 02:45:29,400
 and revised plant materials.

3072
02:45:29,400 --> 02:45:33,120
 So that is the first item, and that is shown in purple.

3073
02:45:33,120 --> 02:45:39,320
 The second change is related to the proposed future plans

3074
02:45:39,320 --> 02:45:44,760
 to subdivide the lot or create out parcels.

3075
02:45:44,760 --> 02:45:48,960
 And so in order to facilitate that,

3076
02:45:48,960 --> 02:45:50,720
 they have shown the future out parcels,

3077
02:45:50,720 --> 02:45:53,160
 but removed the landscaping.

3078
02:45:53,160 --> 02:45:57,360
 The reason for that is to allow those sites when developed

3079
02:45:57,360 --> 02:46:00,840
 to follow the existing landscape standards

3080
02:46:00,840 --> 02:46:03,400
 without being restricted to specific placements

3081
02:46:03,400 --> 02:46:05,120
 and planting materials.

3082
02:46:05,120 --> 02:46:08,000
 So that's the second change related to this plan.

3083
02:46:08,000 --> 02:46:11,200
 The third is related to an increase

3084
02:46:11,200 --> 02:46:13,400
 in the proposed Northern detention area.

3085
02:46:13,400 --> 02:46:16,160
 So that's the area shown in orange.

3086
02:46:16,160 --> 02:46:19,080
 So currently the site has two detention areas,

3087
02:46:19,080 --> 02:46:21,480
 one on the North site and one on the West

3088
02:46:21,480 --> 02:46:24,840
 where the future lot 11B is.

3089
02:46:24,840 --> 02:46:29,280
 So they're proposing to remove that detention

3090
02:46:29,280 --> 02:46:32,760
 for future development, and in order to do so,

3091
02:46:32,760 --> 02:46:34,400
 would increase the Northern detention

3092
02:46:34,400 --> 02:46:35,880
 to support the entire site.

3093
02:46:35,880 --> 02:46:39,360
 So those are the three changes related to the site.

3094
02:46:39,360 --> 02:46:43,400
 Overall, there's no change in the proposed canopy

3095
02:46:43,400 --> 02:46:44,240
 for the area.

3096
02:46:44,240 --> 02:46:45,080
 They would still need to comply

3097
02:46:45,080 --> 02:46:47,440
 with the previously approved plan,

3098
02:46:47,440 --> 02:46:49,000
 and the remaining lots would need

3099
02:46:49,000 --> 02:46:51,400
 to make up any remaining canopy.

3100
02:46:51,400 --> 02:46:54,400
 So again, that was a previously approved landscape plan

3101
02:46:54,400 --> 02:46:57,040
 that had mitigation tied to it.

3102
02:46:57,040 --> 02:46:59,440
 So they're still in conformance with that plan.

3103
02:46:59,440 --> 02:47:03,600
 The razor range overlay district does not have a criteria

3104
02:47:03,600 --> 02:47:05,920
 for approval for rezoning.

3105
02:47:05,920 --> 02:47:08,960
 So staff has provided some considerations

3106
02:47:08,960 --> 02:47:10,640
 with the request.

3107
02:47:10,640 --> 02:47:13,400
 First, that the proposed amendments are consistent

3108
02:47:13,400 --> 02:47:16,080
 with the permitted use of the home improvement store

3109
02:47:16,080 --> 02:47:19,240
 and parking and landscape guidelines that exist today.

3110
02:47:19,240 --> 02:47:21,720
 Second, the removal of plantings on the plan

3111
02:47:21,720 --> 02:47:24,360
 for those future lots that are proposed

3112
02:47:24,360 --> 02:47:28,280
 does provide the flexibility needed in design

3113
02:47:28,280 --> 02:47:31,920
 so that the long-term site meets those,

3114
02:47:31,920 --> 02:47:36,160
 in long-term, the site would still need to comply

3115
02:47:36,160 --> 02:47:39,880
 with the landscape guidelines and exhibits.

3116
02:47:39,880 --> 02:47:42,240
 Third, the total tree canopy, as mentioned,

3117
02:47:42,240 --> 02:47:43,800
 required by the previous plan,

3118
02:47:43,800 --> 02:47:46,080
 is still applicable to the entire lot.

3119
02:47:46,080 --> 02:47:50,640
 So that responsibility is still shared on the property,

3120
02:47:50,640 --> 02:47:54,680
 even if it were to subdivide or have other development.

3121
02:47:54,680 --> 02:47:57,240
 Last, that the revised plan accounts

3122
02:47:57,240 --> 02:48:00,360
 for the potential need for increased detention

3123
02:48:00,360 --> 02:48:03,360
 for those future developments in parking.

3124
02:48:03,360 --> 02:48:06,200
 So if it is determined to be infeasible

3125
02:48:06,200 --> 02:48:09,520
 due to the I-35 widening,

3126
02:48:09,520 --> 02:48:12,440
 or if the secondary detention is no longer required

3127
02:48:12,440 --> 02:48:16,880
 or is still required, the approved site plan

3128
02:48:16,880 --> 02:48:20,120
 would still be subject to the existing standards

3129
02:48:20,120 --> 02:48:21,960
 in the razor range overlay.

3130
02:48:21,960 --> 02:48:24,160
 One thing I will add as part of this

3131
02:48:24,160 --> 02:48:28,000
 is that the approval of the amendment to the landscape plan

3132
02:48:28,000 --> 02:48:31,840
 does not constitute approval of a site plan for the site.

3133
02:48:31,840 --> 02:48:33,280
 They would still be required to go through

3134
02:48:33,280 --> 02:48:35,480
 the zoning compliance plan process,

3135
02:48:35,480 --> 02:48:38,400
 civil engineering plan process, and planning process.

3136
02:48:38,400 --> 02:48:40,560
 So just wanna make that one clarification.

3137
02:48:40,560 --> 02:48:45,640
 Public notices were issued for this site,

3138
02:48:45,640 --> 02:48:47,880
 as it is a rezoning case.

3139
02:48:47,880 --> 02:48:49,400
 We did not receive any responses

3140
02:48:49,400 --> 02:48:52,160
 related to the request as of today.

3141
02:48:52,160 --> 02:48:55,800
 The applicant did hold one virtual meeting on March 14th,

3142
02:48:55,800 --> 02:48:58,200
 however, there were none in attendance.

3143
02:48:59,520 --> 02:49:02,640
 So with that, staff recommends approval of the request.

3144
02:49:02,640 --> 02:49:05,880
 If approved today, the next step would be city council

3145
02:49:05,880 --> 02:49:08,200
 public hearing on April 13th.

3146
02:49:08,200 --> 02:49:10,640
 And with that, I can take any questions.

3147
02:49:10,640 --> 02:49:11,480
 - Thanks, Corina.

3148
02:49:11,480 --> 02:49:14,160
 Any questions for Corina?

3149
02:49:14,160 --> 02:49:17,640
 Thank you.

3150
02:49:17,640 --> 02:49:21,640
 I don't have any cards with requests to speak,

3151
02:49:21,640 --> 02:49:22,880
 but this is a public hearing

3152
02:49:22,880 --> 02:49:25,920
 if anyone would like to speak on this item.

3153
02:49:29,840 --> 02:49:30,680
 - Hello, commissioners.

3154
02:49:30,680 --> 02:49:32,480
 My name is Alejandro Baca.

3155
02:49:32,480 --> 02:49:33,400
 Do you need my address?

3156
02:49:33,400 --> 02:49:34,240
 - Yes, please.

3157
02:49:34,240 --> 02:49:35,960
 - Okay, I've been working from home the last two years,

3158
02:49:35,960 --> 02:49:38,000
 so I'll give you my home address, that's okay.

3159
02:49:38,000 --> 02:49:41,400
 7 Valley Road, Stanhope, New Jersey, 07-874.

3160
02:49:41,400 --> 02:49:43,240
 - Thank you.

3161
02:49:43,240 --> 02:49:45,440
 - Just wanted to say, Home Depot is really excited

3162
02:49:45,440 --> 02:49:47,360
 to have a second location in Denton,

3163
02:49:47,360 --> 02:49:49,200
 and we're looking forward to working with all of you.

3164
02:49:49,200 --> 02:49:51,560
 And if you have any questions, I'm here.

3165
02:49:51,560 --> 02:49:53,720
 - Okay, you said it was second location, yeah?

3166
02:49:53,720 --> 02:49:54,560
 - Yes.

3167
02:49:54,560 --> 02:49:55,400
 - Okay, so you are leaving the other one.

3168
02:49:55,400 --> 02:49:57,720
 - That's right. - Awesome, thank you.

3169
02:49:57,720 --> 02:49:58,560
 Any questions?

3170
02:50:00,520 --> 02:50:01,720
 - Do you not see any?

3171
02:50:01,720 --> 02:50:03,000
 Oh, Commissioner Cole.

3172
02:50:03,000 --> 02:50:06,760
 - So does this mean I don't have to drive

3173
02:50:06,760 --> 02:50:08,520
 to the loop anymore?

3174
02:50:08,520 --> 02:50:10,480
 I'm off 380, so this is great.

3175
02:50:10,480 --> 02:50:13,060
 (all laughing)

3176
02:50:13,060 --> 02:50:16,440
 - Thank you.

3177
02:50:16,440 --> 02:50:18,880
 Staff, is there anyone on the phone

3178
02:50:18,880 --> 02:50:20,320
 wishing to speak on this item?

3179
02:50:20,320 --> 02:50:27,280
 - No, there is no one on the phone.

3180
02:50:27,280 --> 02:50:29,280
 - Thank you very much.

3181
02:50:29,280 --> 02:50:31,760
 With that, I will close the public hearing

3182
02:50:31,760 --> 02:50:34,240
 and entertain discussion or a motion.

3183
02:50:34,240 --> 02:50:35,360
 Commissioner Pruitt.

3184
02:50:35,360 --> 02:50:36,880
 - Thank you, Chair.

3185
02:50:36,880 --> 02:50:39,160
 Just one question, perhaps, for the applicant

3186
02:50:39,160 --> 02:50:41,080
 and maybe staff.

3187
02:50:41,080 --> 02:50:47,360
 In the interest of being similar with other proposals

3188
02:50:47,360 --> 02:50:49,280
 that come in next to TxDOT Roadways,

3189
02:50:49,280 --> 02:50:52,840
 I would just, I'd like to understand what the schedule is

3190
02:50:52,840 --> 02:50:57,680
 for the buildout and completion of this

3191
02:50:57,680 --> 02:51:00,200
 compared to the TxDOT projects

3192
02:51:00,200 --> 02:51:03,240
 that are ongoing on 35E in this area.

3193
02:51:03,240 --> 02:51:07,400
 If we know that.

3194
02:51:07,400 --> 02:51:09,240
 - We're still in the conversations.

3195
02:51:09,240 --> 02:51:11,160
 It's still going back and forth,

3196
02:51:11,160 --> 02:51:14,120
 but we believe that TxDOT is supposed to start next year

3197
02:51:14,120 --> 02:51:15,360
 with some of the work.

3198
02:51:15,360 --> 02:51:18,840
 And then there's also a ramp relocation

3199
02:51:18,840 --> 02:51:20,920
 that's gonna happen the year after.

3200
02:51:20,920 --> 02:51:23,720
 So by 2024, hopefully, or 2025,

3201
02:51:23,720 --> 02:51:24,960
 that work will be completed.

3202
02:51:24,960 --> 02:51:27,080
 Our story's supposed to open.

3203
02:51:27,080 --> 02:51:30,600
 Right now, we have it in October 2023, next year.

3204
02:51:30,600 --> 02:51:33,440
 - Thank you.

3205
02:51:33,440 --> 02:51:37,080
 - Just to confirm,

3206
02:51:37,080 --> 02:51:40,360
 we did have meetings on this earlier this morning.

3207
02:51:40,360 --> 02:51:43,240
 So the schedule for the TxDOT widening,

3208
02:51:43,240 --> 02:51:46,640
 TxDOT is currently in the appraisal process,

3209
02:51:46,640 --> 02:51:50,920
 acquiring the right-of-way along that portion of I-35.

3210
02:51:50,920 --> 02:51:54,960
 So there's still significant ways away.

3211
02:51:54,960 --> 02:51:59,760
 The estimated timeframe is 2025.

3212
02:51:59,760 --> 02:52:01,000
 So the development,

3213
02:52:01,000 --> 02:52:04,080
 or this development would likely come in before,

3214
02:52:04,080 --> 02:52:05,720
 but that's part of the development process

3215
02:52:05,720 --> 02:52:08,840
 is to determine, through the development process,

3216
02:52:08,840 --> 02:52:10,040
 how it's being impacted.

3217
02:52:10,040 --> 02:52:13,040
 So just wanna briefly keep it on topic

3218
02:52:13,040 --> 02:52:16,860
 is that this won't affect the actual amendment today.

3219
02:52:16,860 --> 02:52:19,320
 - Commissioner Anderson.

3220
02:52:19,320 --> 02:52:21,040
 - Thanks, Chair.

3221
02:52:21,040 --> 02:52:23,600
 First, hopefully, we're gonna say thank you

3222
02:52:23,600 --> 02:52:26,080
 and welcome the second office here,

3223
02:52:26,080 --> 02:52:27,280
 and the second location here in Denton,

3224
02:52:27,280 --> 02:52:29,080
 because it's gonna be much closer for me as well.

3225
02:52:29,080 --> 02:52:32,080
 But basically, you're gonna be facing,

3226
02:52:32,080 --> 02:52:34,000
 I mean, not facing 35,

3227
02:52:34,000 --> 02:52:36,080
 but you're gonna be off of 35

3228
02:52:36,080 --> 02:52:38,160
 once the highway's widened and stuff like this.

3229
02:52:38,160 --> 02:52:40,120
 I guess there's gonna be a retention pond out there

3230
02:52:40,120 --> 02:52:42,680
 at the entrance on the west side of the property,

3231
02:52:42,680 --> 02:52:43,520
 is that correct?

3232
02:52:43,520 --> 02:52:45,040
 No?

3233
02:52:45,040 --> 02:52:46,640
 - No, the detention pond's gonna be moved

3234
02:52:46,640 --> 02:52:48,240
 to the rear of the building.

3235
02:52:48,240 --> 02:52:50,900
 - Okay, then I don't have a question.

3236
02:52:50,900 --> 02:52:52,240
 (laughing)

3237
02:52:52,240 --> 02:52:54,720
 - Just to clarify, one of the changes

3238
02:52:54,720 --> 02:52:56,000
 as part of the landscape plan

3239
02:52:56,000 --> 02:52:59,660
 is to actually remove that secondary detention off of 535

3240
02:52:59,660 --> 02:53:02,200
 and increase the size of the northern detention

3241
02:53:02,200 --> 02:53:03,040
 to offset it.

3242
02:53:03,040 --> 02:53:09,240
 - Commissioner Pruitt, you're still on the board.

3243
02:53:09,240 --> 02:53:10,400
 Did you have a question?

3244
02:53:10,400 --> 02:53:11,220
 Okay.

3245
02:53:11,220 --> 02:53:14,360
 Commissioner Villarreal.

3246
02:53:14,360 --> 02:53:17,240
 - I move approval of the agenda item as written.

3247
02:53:17,240 --> 02:53:18,320
 - Commissioner Anderson.

3248
02:53:18,320 --> 02:53:19,400
 - I second the motion.

3249
02:53:19,400 --> 02:53:22,240
 - Okay, we've got a first, a second for approval

3250
02:53:22,240 --> 02:53:23,080
 of this item.

3251
02:53:23,080 --> 02:53:24,020
 Any discussion?

3252
02:53:24,020 --> 02:53:27,680
 Okay, let's vote on the board, please.

3253
02:53:27,680 --> 02:53:29,720
 - Thank you.

3254
02:53:29,720 --> 02:53:34,160
 - That motion carries seven, zero.

3255
02:53:34,160 --> 02:53:39,600
 All right, that moves us to our final public hearing item

3256
02:53:39,600 --> 02:53:44,600
 of the evening, 4D, which is Z22-0001.

3257
02:53:44,600 --> 02:53:48,000
 I'll invite Lisa Hayne up for presentation

3258
02:53:48,000 --> 02:53:49,340
 and open the public hearing.

3259
02:53:49,400 --> 02:53:52,320
 (clearing throat)

3260
02:53:52,320 --> 02:54:00,960
 - Okay, good evening.

3261
02:54:00,960 --> 02:54:04,460
 Lisa Payne, principal planner for the city of Denton.

3262
02:54:04,460 --> 02:54:08,960
 This is for a rezoning for a property on Mosh Branch Road.

3263
02:54:08,960 --> 02:54:11,880
 And this property is two acres.

3264
02:54:11,880 --> 02:54:14,520
 It's currently residential, rural, RR.

3265
02:54:14,520 --> 02:54:17,720
 They would like to go to residential one, R1.

3266
02:54:18,760 --> 02:54:20,880
 The subject property was originally part

3267
02:54:20,880 --> 02:54:24,800
 of a 16-acre tract but was divided from the larger tract

3268
02:54:24,800 --> 02:54:27,760
 prior to being annexed by the city.

3269
02:54:27,760 --> 02:54:30,880
 The property is non-conforming with the RR zoning

3270
02:54:30,880 --> 02:54:33,920
 since it does not meet the minimum lot size of five acres.

3271
02:54:33,920 --> 02:54:36,200
 This property is generally located

3272
02:54:36,200 --> 02:54:38,320
 on the east side of Mosh Branch,

3273
02:54:38,320 --> 02:54:40,000
 which is a primary arterial,

3274
02:54:40,000 --> 02:54:45,000
 and it's approximately 2,175 feet south of FM 1173.

3275
02:54:45,000 --> 02:54:46,800
 It's currently vacant

3276
02:54:46,800 --> 02:54:49,320
 and does not appear to ever be developed.

3277
02:54:49,320 --> 02:54:51,800
 And it is also surrounded by RR

3278
02:54:51,800 --> 02:54:54,560
 to the north, east, and south.

3279
02:54:54,560 --> 02:54:59,560
 And to the west is the city of Crum and a subdivision.

3280
02:54:59,560 --> 02:55:05,080
 As for criteria for approval,

3281
02:55:05,080 --> 02:55:08,900
 which is found in sub-chapter two of our DDC,

3282
02:55:08,900 --> 02:55:09,840
 there's two sections.

3283
02:55:09,840 --> 02:55:12,700
 There's the criteria for all applications,

3284
02:55:12,700 --> 02:55:15,520
 and then also there's zoning criteria.

3285
02:55:15,520 --> 02:55:19,280
 I bolded and underlined some of the points

3286
02:55:19,280 --> 02:55:20,920
 that I'm gonna talk on real fast.

3287
02:55:20,920 --> 02:55:26,200
 For being consistent with the comprehensive plan,

3288
02:55:26,200 --> 02:55:27,960
 the R1 zoning is not consistent

3289
02:55:27,960 --> 02:55:31,320
 with the Denton 2040 comprehensive plan

3290
02:55:31,320 --> 02:55:33,560
 as the subject property's future land use

3291
02:55:33,560 --> 02:55:35,920
 has been changed to light industrial.

3292
02:55:35,920 --> 02:55:38,800
 However, the application was filed prior

3293
02:55:38,800 --> 02:55:41,800
 to the 2040 plan's adoption last night,

3294
02:55:41,800 --> 02:55:43,480
 so it was reviewed in accordance

3295
02:55:43,480 --> 02:55:46,200
 and is consistent with the 2030 plan,

3296
02:55:46,200 --> 02:55:49,540
 which designated the property as rural areas.

3297
02:55:49,540 --> 02:55:51,660
 To answer a couple of questions

3298
02:55:51,660 --> 02:55:54,040
 that came from the work session,

3299
02:55:54,040 --> 02:55:57,000
 the applicant was not previously aware

3300
02:55:57,000 --> 02:56:01,440
 of the change in future land use to light industrial.

3301
02:56:01,440 --> 02:56:02,540
 However, the zoning map,

3302
02:56:02,540 --> 02:56:05,140
 which is mostly residential in the area,

3303
02:56:05,140 --> 02:56:07,760
 drives the use of the property.

3304
02:56:07,760 --> 02:56:09,520
 Any rezoning that's to be done

3305
02:56:09,520 --> 02:56:12,960
 has to come through PNZ and council.

3306
02:56:13,840 --> 02:56:17,360
 For your consideration, if it's gonna go to industrial.

3307
02:56:17,360 --> 02:56:20,720
 And then I was asked about buffers

3308
02:56:20,720 --> 02:56:25,040
 between industrial and single family.

3309
02:56:25,040 --> 02:56:29,400
 When an industrial use develops adjacent to single family,

3310
02:56:29,400 --> 02:56:30,800
 the industrial use is required

3311
02:56:30,800 --> 02:56:33,080
 to provide a 30-foot landscape buffer

3312
02:56:33,080 --> 02:56:36,700
 and achieve 50 landscape buffer points.

3313
02:56:36,700 --> 02:56:38,760
 That can be achieved with a screening wall,

3314
02:56:38,760 --> 02:56:41,960
 trees, shrubs, pretty much all of it.

3315
02:56:41,960 --> 02:56:44,760
 50 points is a lot in our code,

3316
02:56:44,760 --> 02:56:46,400
 so they have to do a lot.

3317
02:56:46,400 --> 02:56:47,680
 In addition, if the property

3318
02:56:47,680 --> 02:56:50,000
 is also zoned heavy industrial,

3319
02:56:50,000 --> 02:56:52,640
 there is a minimum setback of 200 feet

3320
02:56:52,640 --> 02:56:54,640
 from a residential property.

3321
02:56:54,640 --> 02:57:01,000
 Moving on to point four, the compliance with the DDC.

3322
02:57:01,000 --> 02:57:02,240
 They are going to have well water

3323
02:57:02,240 --> 02:57:04,180
 and septic system to this property.

3324
02:57:04,180 --> 02:57:10,440
 And that requires a lot size of two acres minimum,

3325
02:57:10,440 --> 02:57:11,840
 according to the DDC.

3326
02:57:11,840 --> 02:57:15,400
 Therefore, they cannot be subdivided further.

3327
02:57:15,400 --> 02:57:18,160
 So two acres will be the minimum size that this will be

3328
02:57:18,160 --> 02:57:21,800
 as the closest water and wastewater

3329
02:57:21,800 --> 02:57:24,760
 are 1,000 feet and 8,000 feet respectively.

3330
02:57:24,760 --> 02:57:29,880
 R1 zoning is more restrictive than RR zoning.

3331
02:57:29,880 --> 02:57:33,640
 So rezoning this does not expect to create

3332
02:57:33,640 --> 02:57:36,500
 any adverse impacts on the surrounding properties.

3333
02:57:36,500 --> 02:57:38,920
 And moving on to the zoning criteria

3334
02:57:39,960 --> 02:57:42,680
 for significant changes.

3335
02:57:42,680 --> 02:57:45,840
 The subject property was annexed in 2010

3336
02:57:45,840 --> 02:57:48,360
 with the placeholder zoning of RD5X,

3337
02:57:48,360 --> 02:57:53,060
 which transitioned to RR with the adoption of the 2019 DDC.

3338
02:57:53,060 --> 02:57:55,400
 The proposed R1 zoning will allow the property

3339
02:57:55,400 --> 02:57:57,380
 to be platted and developed,

3340
02:57:57,380 --> 02:58:00,240
 while the current RR zoning does not allow

3341
02:58:00,240 --> 02:58:03,800
 for development of a lot that's smaller than five acres,

3342
02:58:03,800 --> 02:58:05,640
 which deems this property unusable.

3343
02:58:08,720 --> 02:58:11,800
 As for, excuse me, as for public outreach,

3344
02:58:11,800 --> 02:58:14,200
 newspaper posting went out on March 6th,

3345
02:58:14,200 --> 02:58:18,640
 website was March 4th, and the sign went out on March 12th.

3346
02:58:18,640 --> 02:58:22,960
 The mail notices included public notices

3347
02:58:22,960 --> 02:58:26,920
 that went to three addresses within 200 feet.

3348
02:58:26,920 --> 02:58:31,080
 And then three addresses that were within 500 feet

3349
02:58:31,080 --> 02:58:34,160
 where people actually have a utility address.

3350
02:58:34,160 --> 02:58:38,540
 We did have two responses that were both in favor.

3351
02:58:38,540 --> 02:58:39,920
 It was from the two properties

3352
02:58:39,920 --> 02:58:42,480
 that are directly south of this property.

3353
02:58:42,480 --> 02:58:45,080
 Neighborhood meeting was not held

3354
02:58:45,080 --> 02:58:47,660
 due to the low number of neighbors,

3355
02:58:47,660 --> 02:58:50,700
 but the applicant did contact his neighbors directly.

3356
02:58:50,700 --> 02:58:56,080
 Staff recommends approval as the rezoning

3357
02:58:56,080 --> 02:58:58,280
 complies with the criteria in the DDC,

3358
02:58:58,280 --> 02:59:00,260
 and I'm available for questions.

3359
02:59:00,260 --> 02:59:01,300
 - Thanks, Lisa.

3360
02:59:01,300 --> 02:59:02,740
 Commissioner Cole.

3361
02:59:02,740 --> 02:59:03,860
 - Thank you, Chair.

3362
02:59:03,860 --> 02:59:08,200
 So let's say five years from now,

3363
02:59:08,200 --> 02:59:12,060
 let's say the future under the 2040 plan.

3364
02:59:12,060 --> 02:59:16,420
 Say I have 50 acres.

3365
02:59:16,420 --> 02:59:21,220
 That is RR, but now it's LI.

3366
02:59:21,220 --> 02:59:24,860
 And my two kids wanna live on that 50 acres.

3367
02:59:24,860 --> 02:59:29,400
 So what do they gotta do?

3368
02:59:29,400 --> 02:59:32,720
 I mean, I know I went through my diatribe

3369
02:59:32,720 --> 02:59:35,120
 and work session on this,

3370
02:59:35,120 --> 02:59:38,620
 but what's the procedure then?

3371
02:59:38,620 --> 02:59:41,160
 Do they have to go and, you know,

3372
02:59:41,160 --> 02:59:44,720
 their family land they've had for 70 years

3373
02:59:44,720 --> 02:59:45,920
 that they wanna live on,

3374
02:59:45,920 --> 02:59:50,280
 but now it's not RR anymore, R1, it's LI.

3375
02:59:50,280 --> 02:59:52,480
 So what additional hurdles

3376
02:59:52,480 --> 02:59:53,960
 are they gonna have to go through?

3377
02:59:53,960 --> 02:59:55,760
 - So it does get a little confusing

3378
02:59:55,760 --> 02:59:58,660
 because Light Industrial is one of our zoning districts,

3379
02:59:58,660 --> 03:00:02,520
 but it's also the name of this future land use

3380
03:00:02,520 --> 03:00:03,800
 for this property.

3381
03:00:03,800 --> 03:00:06,280
 So all of these properties in the area

3382
03:00:06,280 --> 03:00:10,000
 are still zoned RR or R1,

3383
03:00:10,000 --> 03:00:11,920
 something like that around there,

3384
03:00:11,920 --> 03:00:14,240
 but their future land use as of last night

3385
03:00:14,240 --> 03:00:15,760
 has become Light Industrial.

3386
03:00:15,760 --> 03:00:20,160
 So, but still that property that's zoned RR,

3387
03:00:20,160 --> 03:00:22,320
 that it's gonna have to get a rezone

3388
03:00:22,320 --> 03:00:24,360
 if an industrial use wants to come in.

3389
03:00:24,360 --> 03:00:26,460
 The industrial user is gonna have to say,

3390
03:00:26,460 --> 03:00:29,500
 come before y'all and ask permission

3391
03:00:29,500 --> 03:00:31,760
 in order to be able to build industrial.

3392
03:00:31,760 --> 03:00:35,240
 That use, that property can be used for residential

3393
03:00:35,240 --> 03:00:37,160
 until that's rezoned.

3394
03:00:37,160 --> 03:00:42,720
 - Okay, but once it is rezoned and they wanna get, I mean,

3395
03:00:42,720 --> 03:00:48,680
 you know, there are people, you know,

3396
03:00:48,680 --> 03:00:50,640
 they're growing hay there.

3397
03:00:50,640 --> 03:00:51,880
 I mean, we're one of them.

3398
03:00:51,880 --> 03:00:56,200
 I mean, and then you're coming in with this Light Industrial.

3399
03:00:56,200 --> 03:01:00,160
 I'm just worried, you know,

3400
03:01:00,160 --> 03:01:03,680
 well, I'm not gonna waste any more time on this,

3401
03:01:03,680 --> 03:01:08,540
 but I made my feelings clear about this in work session.

3402
03:01:08,540 --> 03:01:10,440
 I appreciate it. - I understand your feelings.

3403
03:01:10,440 --> 03:01:12,720
 The property owners have the ability to, of course,

3404
03:01:12,720 --> 03:01:14,960
 never sell to somebody for another use,

3405
03:01:14,960 --> 03:01:16,160
 or if they choose to,

3406
03:01:16,160 --> 03:01:18,760
 then they can sell to an industrial user

3407
03:01:18,760 --> 03:01:21,880
 and move on and industrial use can go up.

3408
03:01:21,880 --> 03:01:24,240
 - Well, if the zoning is changed.

3409
03:01:24,240 --> 03:01:25,400
 - If you'll choose to approve the zoning, of course.

3410
03:01:25,400 --> 03:01:26,240
 - Yeah.

3411
03:01:26,240 --> 03:01:29,920
 - Okay, Commissioner Peruot.

3412
03:01:29,920 --> 03:01:30,880
 - Thank you, Chair.

3413
03:01:30,880 --> 03:01:34,040
 Just for clarification on the buffering requirements,

3414
03:01:34,040 --> 03:01:37,960
 that's to the use independent of what zoning district it is

3415
03:01:37,960 --> 03:01:42,040
 if it's a residential use that buffering applies, correct?

3416
03:01:42,040 --> 03:01:43,360
 - It's to the residential,

3417
03:01:43,360 --> 03:01:46,240
 if it's a residential district, so.

3418
03:01:46,240 --> 03:01:50,000
 - Okay, of which RRR plus R01 and other R districts are.

3419
03:01:50,000 --> 03:01:54,640
 - Yeah, so if an industrial use goes in next to,

3420
03:01:54,640 --> 03:01:56,440
 if for a landscape buffer, I'm sorry,

3421
03:01:56,440 --> 03:01:57,560
 let me restate that.

3422
03:01:57,560 --> 03:02:02,560
 If a industrial use goes in next to a residential use,

3423
03:02:02,560 --> 03:02:06,880
 then there is a 50-foot or a 50-point requirement

3424
03:02:06,880 --> 03:02:07,720
 with a 30-foot buffer.

3425
03:02:07,720 --> 03:02:09,600
 - As well as the 200-foot, if it's--

3426
03:02:09,600 --> 03:02:12,160
 - Yes, if it's, and that's when it changes a little bit

3427
03:02:12,160 --> 03:02:13,520
 from use to zoning.

3428
03:02:13,520 --> 03:02:17,120
 If the property that goes in as industrial

3429
03:02:17,120 --> 03:02:19,760
 is zoned to heavy industrial,

3430
03:02:19,760 --> 03:02:22,520
 then if it is adjacent to a property that is also,

3431
03:02:22,520 --> 03:02:24,880
 that is zoned residential,

3432
03:02:24,880 --> 03:02:28,000
 then there is a 200-foot minimum buffer,

3433
03:02:28,000 --> 03:02:29,800
 or minimum setback. - Again, for any of the districts

3434
03:02:29,800 --> 03:02:31,560
 that are classified as residential?

3435
03:02:31,560 --> 03:02:32,480
 - Yes. - Okay.

3436
03:02:32,480 --> 03:02:36,640
 And are those setback requirements

3437
03:02:36,640 --> 03:02:39,000
 to the property line or to the building?

3438
03:02:39,000 --> 03:02:41,840
 - From the property line to the building.

3439
03:02:41,840 --> 03:02:44,480
 So an industrial building has to be 200 feet

3440
03:02:44,480 --> 03:02:45,840
 away from its own property line.

3441
03:02:45,840 --> 03:02:46,840
 - Got it, thank you.

3442
03:02:46,840 --> 03:02:53,120
 Yeah, I mean, I'm sensitive to the challenges

3443
03:02:53,880 --> 03:02:54,920
 in our periphery.

3444
03:02:54,920 --> 03:02:59,920
 You know, I almost feel like,

3445
03:02:59,920 --> 03:03:01,840
 we've seen several of these, right?

3446
03:03:01,840 --> 03:03:03,600
 And the ones that kinda come in

3447
03:03:03,600 --> 03:03:08,280
 where it's already a one-acre, R1 kind of street,

3448
03:03:08,280 --> 03:03:09,960
 makes sense.

3449
03:03:09,960 --> 03:03:13,920
 This one is, all the surrounding properties are R, right?

3450
03:03:13,920 --> 03:03:19,520
 At the same time, I understand that we,

3451
03:03:19,520 --> 03:03:23,680
 we have a requirement of five acres or more

3452
03:03:23,680 --> 03:03:25,520
 for RR for a very specific reason,

3453
03:03:25,520 --> 03:03:28,240
 and that's to make sure that land zoned RR

3454
03:03:28,240 --> 03:03:29,960
 doesn't get subdivided to small lots,

3455
03:03:29,960 --> 03:03:31,400
 and all of a sudden we have this subdivision

3456
03:03:31,400 --> 03:03:32,800
 that we weren't planning for.

3457
03:03:32,800 --> 03:03:36,560
 So it feels to me,

3458
03:03:36,560 --> 03:03:39,000
 and there's probably a good reason why this wouldn't work,

3459
03:03:39,000 --> 03:03:42,640
 but it feels to me like perhaps the right resolution

3460
03:03:42,640 --> 03:03:47,640
 to challenges like this are to allow single-family uses

3461
03:03:47,640 --> 03:03:53,400
 in RR lots smaller than five acres with an SUP or something.

3462
03:03:54,520 --> 03:03:56,640
 But I don't wanna tease it.

3463
03:03:56,640 --> 03:03:57,840
 - Yeah, and if I could just interject,

3464
03:03:57,840 --> 03:04:00,120
 a lot of these transition to RR,

3465
03:04:00,120 --> 03:04:03,240
 which is why they don't really conform for development.

3466
03:04:03,240 --> 03:04:05,000
 So it's not that they're being subdivided,

3467
03:04:05,000 --> 03:04:07,360
 it's just they didn't have a zoning

3468
03:04:07,360 --> 03:04:08,360
 because they were annexed

3469
03:04:08,360 --> 03:04:10,240
 and they had that placeholder zoning,

3470
03:04:10,240 --> 03:04:14,600
 and with the new code, they just transitioned to RR,

3471
03:04:14,600 --> 03:04:17,520
 which didn't make sense, I'll agree,

3472
03:04:17,520 --> 03:04:18,840
 but that's why we're here today

3473
03:04:18,840 --> 03:04:20,680
 doing these types of things.

3474
03:04:20,680 --> 03:04:22,120
 - No, I completely understand.

3475
03:04:22,120 --> 03:04:24,520
 I just envision many more of these happening

3476
03:04:24,520 --> 03:04:27,080
 in our periphery, especially in the range

3477
03:04:27,080 --> 03:04:28,280
 of two to five acres,

3478
03:04:28,280 --> 03:04:31,240
 because that's where you can start to use well and septic.

3479
03:04:31,240 --> 03:04:35,560
 - Any other discussion?

3480
03:04:35,560 --> 03:04:45,280
 Seeing none, floor is open for discussion, a motion.

3481
03:04:45,280 --> 03:04:49,320
 No, it's not, because I didn't close the public hearing.

3482
03:04:49,320 --> 03:04:50,520
 Let me do that.

3483
03:04:50,520 --> 03:04:53,720
 Is there anyone here who would like to speak on this item?

3484
03:04:53,720 --> 03:04:58,600
 Okay, and I do not have any cards.

3485
03:04:58,600 --> 03:05:00,640
 Staff, anyone on the phone for this item?

3486
03:05:00,640 --> 03:05:07,240
 - No, we don't have anyone on the phone.

3487
03:05:07,240 --> 03:05:08,800
 - Thank you very much.

3488
03:05:08,800 --> 03:05:11,080
 All right, with that, I will close the public hearing,

3489
03:05:11,080 --> 03:05:13,960
 and now I will open the floor for further discussion

3490
03:05:13,960 --> 03:05:15,600
 or motion, Commissioner Smith.

3491
03:05:15,600 --> 03:05:17,000
 - Make a motion to approve.

3492
03:05:17,000 --> 03:05:19,600
 - Commissioner Anderson.

3493
03:05:19,600 --> 03:05:20,440
 - I second the motion.

3494
03:05:20,440 --> 03:05:23,520
 - We've got a first and a second for approval of this item.

3495
03:05:23,520 --> 03:05:26,080
 Any more discussion?

3496
03:05:26,080 --> 03:05:29,400
 Okay, let's vote on the board, please.

3497
03:05:29,400 --> 03:05:37,320
 That motion carries six, one.

3498
03:05:37,320 --> 03:05:43,040
 That will move us to our Planning

3499
03:05:43,040 --> 03:05:45,960
 and Zoning Commission Project Matrix.

3500
03:05:45,960 --> 03:05:49,560
 I will go ahead and turn that over, I think, to Haley.

3501
03:05:51,440 --> 03:05:54,280
 So just to give you all updates from City Council.

3502
03:05:54,280 --> 03:05:57,560
 Of course, we did have three public hearings last night

3503
03:05:57,560 --> 03:05:59,640
 for the Comp Plan, Mobility Plan,

3504
03:05:59,640 --> 03:06:01,680
 and the ESA Trail Code Amendment,

3505
03:06:01,680 --> 03:06:03,240
 all of which passed unanimously.

3506
03:06:03,240 --> 03:06:08,240
 So that was a very successful evening for us last night.

3507
03:06:08,240 --> 03:06:11,240
 With respect to the matrix,

3508
03:06:11,240 --> 03:06:13,720
 I did want to give a couple of updates.

3509
03:06:13,720 --> 03:06:15,440
 There are two items that have been hanging out on here

3510
03:06:15,440 --> 03:06:18,000
 for a while, the Fiscal Analysis Tool

3511
03:06:18,000 --> 03:06:20,640
 and the Opt-In Notification System.

3512
03:06:20,640 --> 03:06:21,800
 And I wanted to let you all know

3513
03:06:21,800 --> 03:06:24,360
 that we do have those scheduled for work sessions

3514
03:06:24,360 --> 03:06:25,400
 with City Council in May,

3515
03:06:25,400 --> 03:06:27,040
 so we'll be bringing those to you all in April

3516
03:06:27,040 --> 03:06:28,280
 for work session discussions.

3517
03:06:28,280 --> 03:06:29,120
 - Great.

3518
03:06:29,120 --> 03:06:33,080
 Okay, Commissioner Cole.

3519
03:06:33,080 --> 03:06:38,000
 Do you have something for the matrix?

3520
03:06:38,000 --> 03:06:41,040
 - I did, and I just went blank.

3521
03:06:41,040 --> 03:06:43,280
 (laughing)

3522
03:06:43,280 --> 03:06:47,760
 Boy, it left me.

3523
03:06:48,520 --> 03:06:52,240
 It was, oh yes, yes, yes.

3524
03:06:52,240 --> 03:06:57,560
 So there's a House bill coming up,

3525
03:06:57,560 --> 03:06:59,580
 and I can't remember the number,

3526
03:06:59,580 --> 03:07:02,960
 but for the next legislative session,

3527
03:07:02,960 --> 03:07:06,480
 and it has to do with de-annexation.

3528
03:07:06,480 --> 03:07:14,740
 I'd like to know how that's gonna affect our future growth,

3529
03:07:14,740 --> 03:07:16,180
 our development plan,

3530
03:07:17,300 --> 03:07:22,300
 and what we can do to mitigate that.

3531
03:07:22,300 --> 03:07:27,680
 So the verbiage of it is, if we're not supplying,

3532
03:07:27,680 --> 03:07:30,340
 the city is not supplying infrastructure

3533
03:07:30,340 --> 03:07:32,480
 to an area of town that is annexed,

3534
03:07:32,480 --> 03:07:36,500
 they will be able to de-annex, basically.

3535
03:07:36,500 --> 03:07:38,540
 So it seems to me that would cause,

3536
03:07:38,540 --> 03:07:41,740
 kind of be a chaotic situation.

3537
03:07:41,740 --> 03:07:45,240
 And I know it's a hypothetical for the past or not,

3538
03:07:45,240 --> 03:07:47,940
 I just know it's coming up in this next session.

3539
03:07:47,940 --> 03:07:51,460
 - So maybe some kind of brief on that,

3540
03:07:51,460 --> 03:07:52,560
 is that what you mean?

3541
03:07:52,560 --> 03:07:56,080
 - Sure, we actually already had an item on here

3542
03:07:56,080 --> 03:07:59,000
 for discussing the history of annexations in the city,

3543
03:07:59,000 --> 03:08:01,600
 so perhaps we can just roll that into one larger

3544
03:08:01,600 --> 03:08:04,160
 annexation discussion in the future.

3545
03:08:04,160 --> 03:08:05,680
 - Thank you.

3546
03:08:05,680 --> 03:08:06,680
 Commissioner Prudt.

3547
03:08:06,680 --> 03:08:07,640
 - Thank you, Chair.

3548
03:08:07,640 --> 03:08:11,200
 I know we've been very busy in recent months

3549
03:08:11,200 --> 03:08:13,400
 with various long-term plans,

3550
03:08:13,400 --> 03:08:15,960
 and it's good to see that wrapped up.

3551
03:08:15,960 --> 03:08:18,440
 I think, middle to the end of last year,

3552
03:08:18,440 --> 03:08:19,800
 we were going through some boot camps,

3553
03:08:19,800 --> 03:08:22,760
 and I'm not sure where we are in that process.

3554
03:08:22,760 --> 03:08:25,760
 But given one of the comments tonight

3555
03:08:25,760 --> 03:08:27,500
 about one of the public hearings,

3556
03:08:27,500 --> 03:08:32,640
 it strikes me that two, I would say the two highest

3557
03:08:32,640 --> 03:08:35,400
 common concerns we hear from residents

3558
03:08:35,400 --> 03:08:38,300
 are traffic and drainage, right?

3559
03:08:38,300 --> 03:08:42,280
 Traffic is complex, and you're never gonna convince anybody

3560
03:08:42,280 --> 03:08:44,360
 that you know what you're talking about.

3561
03:08:44,360 --> 03:08:49,360
 Drainage is complex, but maybe we can try to educate people,

3562
03:08:49,360 --> 03:08:53,200
 as well as ourselves, about how drainage works,

3563
03:08:53,200 --> 03:08:55,840
 at least to understand what the intention

3564
03:08:55,840 --> 03:08:57,640
 of our processes are.

3565
03:08:57,640 --> 03:09:00,840
 It just seems like when we have a public hearing

3566
03:09:00,840 --> 03:09:03,120
 and the public comes forward and they say,

3567
03:09:03,120 --> 03:09:05,080
 I'm worried about my backyard,

3568
03:09:05,080 --> 03:09:07,400
 we are not technical professionals.

3569
03:09:07,400 --> 03:09:10,600
 We don't understand how or why

3570
03:09:10,600 --> 03:09:12,800
 that's not gonna be a problem.

3571
03:09:12,800 --> 03:09:15,560
 They don't understand it because they get a minute and a half

3572
03:09:15,560 --> 03:09:16,840
 and then they go away.

3573
03:09:16,840 --> 03:09:20,000
 So I'm envisioning something like a boot camp

3574
03:09:20,000 --> 03:09:21,340
 that would help us understand,

3575
03:09:21,340 --> 03:09:24,240
 as well as, I think there was a council request recently

3576
03:09:24,240 --> 03:09:26,580
 for some of that boot camp information

3577
03:09:26,580 --> 03:09:28,520
 to be publicly distributed.

3578
03:09:28,520 --> 03:09:31,840
 I think this would be an excellent candidate for that,

3579
03:09:31,840 --> 03:09:35,900
 so that residents can not only learn about that

3580
03:09:35,900 --> 03:09:38,760
 in their own time, but also understand

3581
03:09:38,760 --> 03:09:43,480
 what their avenues for mitigation,

3582
03:09:43,480 --> 03:09:46,400
 after the fact, if it seems like drainage issues

3583
03:09:46,400 --> 03:09:48,920
 have been worsened by development.

3584
03:09:48,920 --> 03:09:51,720
 'Cause that's just a loop that doesn't seem to get closed

3585
03:09:51,720 --> 03:09:53,000
 and it always gets asked.

3586
03:09:53,000 --> 03:10:00,920
 - Sure, we can definitely work with our neighbors

3587
03:10:00,920 --> 03:10:01,960
 in the engineering department

3588
03:10:01,960 --> 03:10:04,240
 and try to pull something together for you guys.

3589
03:10:04,240 --> 03:10:05,560
 - Excellent, thank you.

3590
03:10:06,640 --> 03:10:09,500
 Anything further for the matrix?

3591
03:10:09,500 --> 03:10:11,120
 Any concluding items?

3592
03:10:11,120 --> 03:10:16,560
 I'll just say congratulations again to staff

3593
03:10:16,560 --> 03:10:21,000
 for the comp plan update and the mobility plans

3594
03:10:21,000 --> 03:10:24,000
 going forward at council yesterday.

3595
03:10:24,000 --> 03:10:27,920
 I know that was a whole lot of work by staff

3596
03:10:27,920 --> 03:10:29,080
 and it was great discussion

3597
03:10:29,080 --> 03:10:31,280
 and it was good to see it moving forward.

3598
03:10:31,280 --> 03:10:35,080
 So with that, I will adjourn us at 8.29 p.m.

3599
03:10:36,640 --> 03:10:46,640
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