1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,000 - Good morning and welcome to this meeting 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,800 of the Mobility Committee of the City of Denton. 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:10,760 We have a quorum, but we have a full house. 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,340 So let's begin our items for individual consideration. 5 00:00:13,340 --> 00:00:15,540 The first item is consider approval of the minutes 6 00:00:15,540 --> 00:00:17,380 of February 16th, 2022. 7 00:00:17,380 --> 00:00:19,140 I'll entertain a motion. 8 00:00:19,140 --> 00:00:20,560 - I move approval of minutes. 9 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:21,620 - Is there a second? 10 00:00:21,620 --> 00:00:23,380 Okay, all in favor, aye. 11 00:00:23,380 --> 00:00:24,700 - Aye. - Aye. 12 00:00:24,700 --> 00:00:26,900 - The minutes are approved. 13 00:00:26,900 --> 00:00:29,580 The next item is a receiver report 14 00:00:29,580 --> 00:00:31,320 to hold a discussion regarding the City of Denton 15 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,980 transportation/mobility project status report. 16 00:00:34,980 --> 00:00:36,700 Mr. Poulster, good morning. 17 00:00:36,700 --> 00:00:41,020 - Hello, hello. 18 00:00:41,020 --> 00:00:42,820 Is that ready for the meeting to go on? 19 00:00:42,820 --> 00:00:43,660 - That means soft. 20 00:00:43,660 --> 00:00:46,460 You have to very gently touch it 21 00:00:46,460 --> 00:00:47,740 for exactly half of a second. 22 00:00:47,740 --> 00:00:49,060 - I just saw that. 23 00:00:49,060 --> 00:00:54,660 See, y'all told me that, didn't ya? 24 00:00:54,660 --> 00:00:58,200 There you go. 25 00:00:59,860 --> 00:01:01,500 Uh-oh, okay. 26 00:01:01,500 --> 00:01:02,500 We'll go by Braille. 27 00:01:02,500 --> 00:01:08,480 No, no, no, we are in the roll. 28 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,560 I got this stuff memorized. 29 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,020 So this first sheet, for those of you who are watching, 30 00:01:15,020 --> 00:01:16,820 this is a project summary. 31 00:01:16,820 --> 00:01:20,780 It goes over the let dates, who's working on it, 32 00:01:20,780 --> 00:01:23,260 and then what the construction cost is. 33 00:01:23,260 --> 00:01:25,620 And these are essentially the projects in the report 34 00:01:25,620 --> 00:01:29,220 that we'll go over today. 35 00:01:29,220 --> 00:01:31,540 And it totals, we're chasing about 36 00:01:31,540 --> 00:01:33,420 two billion dollars worth of improvements 37 00:01:33,420 --> 00:01:35,900 in and around the City of Denton. 38 00:01:35,900 --> 00:01:40,500 FM 2181, north-south. 39 00:01:40,500 --> 00:01:41,940 - Pardon me, John. 40 00:01:41,940 --> 00:01:44,100 I have the number in my head of 2.4 billion 41 00:01:44,100 --> 00:01:44,940 for the longest time. 42 00:01:44,940 --> 00:01:48,660 - So what happens is as projects come off, 43 00:01:48,660 --> 00:01:52,220 like that 1.4 million for the 380 interim, 44 00:01:52,220 --> 00:01:55,300 as they come off, we take 'em off the list. 45 00:01:55,300 --> 00:01:56,140 - Got it. 46 00:01:58,940 --> 00:02:02,740 - So 2181, we have a completion date of October 22. 47 00:02:02,740 --> 00:02:05,500 Finally, it's been going on for like 37 years. 48 00:02:05,500 --> 00:02:11,020 And it's still looking like October will be complete. 49 00:02:11,020 --> 00:02:16,020 And we are in the last throws of our last shift 50 00:02:16,020 --> 00:02:19,620 that occurred on March 14th. 51 00:02:19,620 --> 00:02:21,060 And so from this point forward, 52 00:02:21,060 --> 00:02:23,780 it's just getting the last bit of pavement down. 53 00:02:23,780 --> 00:02:26,780 And then I would say sometime in summer, 54 00:02:26,780 --> 00:02:29,060 we'll get to what we call substantially complete, 55 00:02:29,060 --> 00:02:31,300 which is where you're driving on the lanes 56 00:02:31,300 --> 00:02:33,580 in the proper location that you should be. 57 00:02:33,580 --> 00:02:36,540 And everything else is just ancillary work, 58 00:02:36,540 --> 00:02:41,260 like growing the grass, moving the signal poles, et cetera. 59 00:02:41,260 --> 00:02:46,540 So we will definitely be coming back 60 00:02:46,540 --> 00:02:48,220 with a party on that one. 61 00:02:48,220 --> 00:02:50,860 - I have a question about that one. 62 00:02:50,860 --> 00:02:55,740 First of all, I wanna thank staff 63 00:02:55,740 --> 00:02:58,620 for pushing out the information about, 64 00:02:58,620 --> 00:03:02,940 there was a closure, where was it? 65 00:03:02,940 --> 00:03:07,500 At like Ranch Man or Briar Forest, 66 00:03:07,500 --> 00:03:10,140 somewhere in that area. 67 00:03:10,140 --> 00:03:12,580 And I know that there have been issues 68 00:03:12,580 --> 00:03:14,500 with closures in that area in the past. 69 00:03:14,500 --> 00:03:16,940 So thank y'all for communicating to residents 70 00:03:16,940 --> 00:03:18,360 so clearly about that one. 71 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:23,300 The intersection of Teasley and Robinson 72 00:03:23,300 --> 00:03:26,020 is really a wreck. 73 00:03:26,020 --> 00:03:31,020 There's a grade difference and it's just dirt. 74 00:03:31,020 --> 00:03:33,340 And with the rain we've been having, 75 00:03:33,340 --> 00:03:35,700 it's already, the dirt is like washed out 76 00:03:35,700 --> 00:03:38,340 and there's like a huge drop-off. 77 00:03:38,340 --> 00:03:41,220 And that's a real busy intersection. 78 00:03:41,220 --> 00:03:43,980 Can we see about maybe getting like asphalt? 79 00:03:43,980 --> 00:03:45,620 - Yeah, we'll get with Travis Campbell. 80 00:03:45,620 --> 00:03:48,900 I'll do that as soon as I get out the door. 81 00:03:48,900 --> 00:03:49,740 - Great, thanks. 82 00:03:51,660 --> 00:03:53,780 Okay, so your I-35E Mayhill job, 83 00:03:53,780 --> 00:03:56,580 this is a project from Mayhill up to 288, 84 00:03:56,580 --> 00:03:59,600 including the northbound and southbound frontage roads 85 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,660 to 288 and a direct connect with, 86 00:04:02,660 --> 00:04:06,740 I mean a bypass over Brinker. 87 00:04:06,740 --> 00:04:10,540 We are ready to let is September 23. 88 00:04:10,540 --> 00:04:12,320 And we are on track for that. 89 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:16,080 If you'll note, we are in the 95% plan review 90 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,900 and primarily, yeah, all of this from this point, 91 00:04:19,900 --> 00:04:22,940 we see utilities down or all the utilities 92 00:04:22,940 --> 00:04:25,700 that we're working on to get relocated 93 00:04:25,700 --> 00:04:28,540 by that September 23 timeframe. 94 00:04:28,540 --> 00:04:32,200 We believe that we will make that date. 95 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:36,940 TxDOT and City of Dent's been working diligently 96 00:04:36,940 --> 00:04:40,820 to ensure that the additional scope of work 97 00:04:40,820 --> 00:04:43,580 that we added to the project doesn't impact 98 00:04:43,580 --> 00:04:45,820 the city's ability to move their utilities. 99 00:04:45,820 --> 00:04:50,460 And like I say, we're on track for September 23. 100 00:04:50,460 --> 00:04:52,380 And the difference between the let date 101 00:04:52,380 --> 00:04:53,220 and the ready to let is, 102 00:04:53,220 --> 00:04:55,860 ready to let is when everything's done. 103 00:04:55,860 --> 00:04:59,220 Ready to let is when the money currently is allocated 104 00:04:59,220 --> 00:05:02,220 because that's what the date they thought it would be. 105 00:05:02,220 --> 00:05:05,720 But once we show them that we can hit the 23 date, 106 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:06,740 the funding is there. 107 00:05:06,740 --> 00:05:09,780 It's fully funded at $72 million, 108 00:05:09,780 --> 00:05:11,620 so we'll be able to move the project up 109 00:05:11,620 --> 00:05:13,180 to the ready to let date. 110 00:05:15,420 --> 00:05:16,260 Okay. 111 00:05:16,260 --> 00:05:22,060 The big job, the merge, 112 00:05:22,060 --> 00:05:25,140 we will be done with the RIDO acquisition 113 00:05:25,140 --> 00:05:25,980 at the end of this month. 114 00:05:25,980 --> 00:05:29,740 There's one parcel left that we have some legal work to do. 115 00:05:29,740 --> 00:05:33,860 The utilities are ongoing in this corridor. 116 00:05:33,860 --> 00:05:37,500 They are, you'll see in a second, quite lengthy. 117 00:05:37,500 --> 00:05:42,500 And we are pushing for a ready to let of August 23 as well. 118 00:05:43,980 --> 00:05:48,220 And again, the design's essentially done. 119 00:05:48,220 --> 00:05:55,140 We've been working with TxDOT on the aesthetics 120 00:05:55,140 --> 00:05:58,260 for this corridor 'cause we wanna be able 121 00:05:58,260 --> 00:05:59,540 to do some things in the corridor 122 00:05:59,540 --> 00:06:01,460 that we did in the 35E section 123 00:06:01,460 --> 00:06:03,500 where we added some aesthetics. 124 00:06:03,500 --> 00:06:05,540 And we are working on that packet 125 00:06:05,540 --> 00:06:09,340 to be included in the design and the construction 126 00:06:09,340 --> 00:06:11,740 of the project by TxDOT. 127 00:06:12,900 --> 00:06:16,780 And then again, here from utilities all the way down 128 00:06:16,780 --> 00:06:17,740 to the bottom of the page. 129 00:06:17,740 --> 00:06:20,980 These are all the utilities that have to get done, 130 00:06:20,980 --> 00:06:23,180 but we believe that we are gonna make that, 131 00:06:23,180 --> 00:06:27,620 what was it, August 23 date. 132 00:06:27,620 --> 00:06:33,560 The interim, that's done. 133 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,140 We just wanted to leave it in one more month 134 00:06:36,140 --> 00:06:40,380 'cause it was a good project to see. 135 00:06:40,380 --> 00:06:42,820 And actually, we were waiting for a couple of the polls 136 00:06:42,820 --> 00:06:43,940 to be moved. 137 00:06:43,940 --> 00:06:47,380 And I did check from our last conversation we had 138 00:06:47,380 --> 00:06:49,220 that caution sign they have 139 00:06:49,220 --> 00:06:52,900 when there's congestion ahead, it triggers, 140 00:06:52,900 --> 00:06:55,660 it's not been triggered on this project 141 00:06:55,660 --> 00:06:57,900 since we've done the interim improvements. 142 00:06:57,900 --> 00:07:01,740 I don't know what's going on. 143 00:07:01,740 --> 00:07:06,900 All right, I-35 North, this is the $763 million one. 144 00:07:06,900 --> 00:07:09,020 It'll be ready to let in December 23. 145 00:07:09,020 --> 00:07:10,620 Again, it's fully funded. 146 00:07:10,620 --> 00:07:12,980 We get to that date, we can move the money, 147 00:07:12,980 --> 00:07:17,060 and that'll go all the way up to the county line. 148 00:07:17,060 --> 00:07:18,420 Again, lots of utilities. 149 00:07:18,420 --> 00:07:22,060 35W Frontage Road. 150 00:07:22,060 --> 00:07:25,060 So we've been waiting for TxDOT 151 00:07:25,060 --> 00:07:30,540 to enter into a contract with HNTB 152 00:07:30,540 --> 00:07:32,420 to do the design on this project 153 00:07:32,420 --> 00:07:34,740 that's environmentally cleared. 154 00:07:34,740 --> 00:07:36,300 Apparently, they couldn't get to a number, 155 00:07:36,300 --> 00:07:38,900 so TxDOT terminated that negotiations 156 00:07:38,900 --> 00:07:42,020 and they're negotiating with an alternate firm. 157 00:07:42,020 --> 00:07:44,540 They have not told us who that alternate firm is, 158 00:07:44,540 --> 00:07:48,100 but I told them they're running out of time, 159 00:07:48,100 --> 00:07:51,620 so we're kind of in a holding pattern on the design 160 00:07:51,620 --> 00:07:53,580 until TxDOT gets somebody on contract. 161 00:07:53,580 --> 00:07:59,260 You're at 380, 377 Corridor. 162 00:07:59,260 --> 00:08:00,620 That's under construction, 163 00:08:00,620 --> 00:08:03,380 and we're talking about a completion date. 164 00:08:03,380 --> 00:08:05,860 Here it is right here, December of 23. 165 00:08:05,860 --> 00:08:10,340 And right now, we're moving a little bit faster 166 00:08:10,340 --> 00:08:14,540 into phase two on the westbound side, 167 00:08:14,540 --> 00:08:17,180 and we're using daily closures to do that. 168 00:08:17,180 --> 00:08:21,060 And we're trying to get the bridges secured, 169 00:08:21,060 --> 00:08:23,580 the under abutments secured, 170 00:08:23,580 --> 00:08:28,180 so we can put that center median barrier 171 00:08:28,180 --> 00:08:29,980 because the accidents that are happening 172 00:08:29,980 --> 00:08:33,060 on this section of 380 are crossovers. 173 00:08:33,060 --> 00:08:35,180 And once we get the bridges shored up, 174 00:08:35,180 --> 00:08:37,780 we can put the physical barrier in the middle 175 00:08:37,780 --> 00:08:39,980 and it'll preclude those types of accidents. 176 00:08:39,980 --> 00:08:45,060 380 East, it's under construction. 177 00:08:45,060 --> 00:08:49,500 It's basically a lot of the dirt removal 178 00:08:49,500 --> 00:08:53,420 and stormwater work and a lot of culverts. 179 00:08:53,420 --> 00:08:57,060 And so it's mostly underground work that you're seeing done. 180 00:08:57,060 --> 00:08:58,740 And I would just say if you don't have to go out there, 181 00:08:58,740 --> 00:09:00,940 don't go out there 'cause it's pretty rough. 182 00:09:02,420 --> 00:09:07,420 Okay, the 380 feasibility study has been completed. 183 00:09:07,420 --> 00:09:12,220 And it essentially says there was a lot of stuff 184 00:09:12,220 --> 00:09:13,540 about the integrated corridor, 185 00:09:13,540 --> 00:09:16,220 a lot of stuff about the outer loop in it. 186 00:09:16,220 --> 00:09:21,060 And the 380 feasibility says we're gonna build a freeway 187 00:09:21,060 --> 00:09:25,140 on the blue section and we need to add frontage roads 188 00:09:25,140 --> 00:09:27,780 to the brown section of the loop. 189 00:09:28,660 --> 00:09:32,660 And so it's closed out and so we're gonna get back 190 00:09:32,660 --> 00:09:36,380 with TxDOT tomorrow and get some clarity 191 00:09:36,380 --> 00:09:39,900 on some of the components of your thoroughfare plan 192 00:09:39,900 --> 00:09:41,020 and the county's thoroughfare plan 193 00:09:41,020 --> 00:09:42,140 to make sure they're consistent 194 00:09:42,140 --> 00:09:44,740 with the findings of this report. 195 00:09:44,740 --> 00:09:47,020 But there'll be things coming off. 196 00:09:47,020 --> 00:09:50,580 For example, we had references to the integrated corridor. 197 00:09:50,580 --> 00:09:52,700 That's no longer a thing. 198 00:09:52,700 --> 00:09:55,060 And so we're just taking the outer loop 199 00:09:55,060 --> 00:09:57,140 all the way across to Milam. 200 00:09:57,140 --> 00:09:59,060 And 380 will be the freeway 201 00:09:59,060 --> 00:10:01,900 and 288 will be turned into a freeway. 202 00:10:01,900 --> 00:10:06,220 And so we'll get with city staff and TxDOT together 203 00:10:06,220 --> 00:10:08,020 and then we'll come back to you with recommendations 204 00:10:08,020 --> 00:10:10,220 on changing your thoroughfare plan 205 00:10:10,220 --> 00:10:12,500 to acknowledge those things. 206 00:10:12,500 --> 00:10:16,380 And speaking of Luke 28 West, 207 00:10:16,380 --> 00:10:18,660 this takes it from 35 all the way around. 208 00:10:18,660 --> 00:10:20,580 We have Chang Patel on contract. 209 00:10:20,580 --> 00:10:24,780 And they are doing the design 210 00:10:24,780 --> 00:10:29,780 and the design is anticipated to be October 23. 211 00:10:29,780 --> 00:10:32,060 We're shooting for a 26 ready to let date 212 00:10:32,060 --> 00:10:35,540 because we have a lot of utilities we have to deal with 213 00:10:35,540 --> 00:10:37,660 in this corridor and not the least of which 214 00:10:37,660 --> 00:10:41,620 are all the natural gas providers out there 215 00:10:41,620 --> 00:10:42,820 that we have to avoid. 216 00:10:42,820 --> 00:10:46,780 1515 LTRA is doing that work. 217 00:10:46,780 --> 00:10:48,140 We got the reevaluation. 218 00:10:48,140 --> 00:10:51,620 Remember we came back after we got environmentally cleared, 219 00:10:51,620 --> 00:10:54,700 removed the traffic circle, made some tweaks 220 00:10:54,700 --> 00:10:59,700 at the Peterbilt location and some other places. 221 00:10:59,700 --> 00:11:03,660 And we've got the reeval done. 222 00:11:03,660 --> 00:11:08,060 So now we're able to finalize the design set 223 00:11:08,060 --> 00:11:13,060 and go back to hit our schedule for the 1515. 224 00:11:13,060 --> 00:11:20,780 1173, we hired half associates last month. 225 00:11:21,980 --> 00:11:25,820 I can't remember to do the PS and E on this job. 226 00:11:25,820 --> 00:11:29,900 And what we're trying to do is hit a June of next, 227 00:11:29,900 --> 00:11:34,900 this year for 60% plans adequate 228 00:11:34,900 --> 00:11:38,180 because when you hit that in June, 229 00:11:38,180 --> 00:11:41,940 that allows tech stock to start the utility relocations 230 00:11:41,940 --> 00:11:43,220 on this project. 231 00:11:43,220 --> 00:11:47,580 And we're trying to get this project to be consistent 232 00:11:47,580 --> 00:11:51,340 with the 35 jobs so that when we do the 35 job, 233 00:11:51,340 --> 00:11:54,740 we can, for a billion dollars project, 234 00:11:54,740 --> 00:11:59,020 you know, 47 million dollars is a rounding error 235 00:11:59,020 --> 00:12:01,780 and we're gonna try to get that project built with 35. 236 00:12:01,780 --> 00:12:09,300 Almond Locus, so I think we're working internally on that. 237 00:12:09,300 --> 00:12:13,420 I'm gonna be quiet at this point. 238 00:12:21,180 --> 00:12:22,780 Operator Error. 239 00:12:22,780 --> 00:12:24,060 - Yes, John, thank you so much. 240 00:12:24,060 --> 00:12:29,020 So we have received plans actually yesterday from TechStot 241 00:12:29,020 --> 00:12:32,300 for the Almond Locus corridor that's south of the square. 242 00:12:32,300 --> 00:12:35,060 And then we're gonna be meeting internally to review those. 243 00:12:35,060 --> 00:12:37,260 The field meetings have been conducted 244 00:12:37,260 --> 00:12:40,060 and working through that execution plan 245 00:12:40,060 --> 00:12:41,700 and making sure that we're all in agreement 246 00:12:41,700 --> 00:12:45,220 with the path forward and the pavement repair in that area. 247 00:12:45,220 --> 00:12:47,940 So because the plans are completed, 248 00:12:47,940 --> 00:12:49,500 once we can work through those steps 249 00:12:49,500 --> 00:12:51,540 of having those internal discussions, 250 00:12:51,540 --> 00:12:53,980 turning our comments back over to TechStot, 251 00:12:53,980 --> 00:12:55,780 then they'll give us a schedule from there 252 00:12:55,780 --> 00:12:58,540 as to what they anticipate to have that area completed. 253 00:12:58,540 --> 00:12:59,380 So-- 254 00:12:59,380 --> 00:13:03,620 - Pardon me, so how soon would we get to, 255 00:13:03,620 --> 00:13:05,620 at least even like a sketchy timetable? 256 00:13:05,620 --> 00:13:07,340 This is one of the areas, you know, 257 00:13:07,340 --> 00:13:08,700 we get asked about the most. 258 00:13:08,700 --> 00:13:11,660 - Sure, we do too, I feel your pain. 259 00:13:11,660 --> 00:13:16,260 Definitely, what I would anticipate 260 00:13:16,260 --> 00:13:18,220 is once we can have those internal conversations 261 00:13:18,220 --> 00:13:20,340 being that we received the plans yesterday 262 00:13:20,340 --> 00:13:22,420 and can work through that, I would anticipate 263 00:13:22,420 --> 00:13:24,220 that within the next timeframe 264 00:13:24,220 --> 00:13:26,100 of when we have the next mobility committee meeting, 265 00:13:26,100 --> 00:13:27,500 we could be able to produce you 266 00:13:27,500 --> 00:13:30,060 and provide you a schedule at that time. 267 00:13:30,060 --> 00:13:31,740 It's gonna take a little bit of time internally 268 00:13:31,740 --> 00:13:34,020 for us to have those final conversations, 269 00:13:34,020 --> 00:13:36,540 review that set of plans, but I would hope 270 00:13:36,540 --> 00:13:39,740 that we would have a rough schedule of that timeframe 271 00:13:39,740 --> 00:13:41,780 of when they could actually start the construction 272 00:13:41,780 --> 00:13:42,980 through their maintenance contract 273 00:13:42,980 --> 00:13:46,220 by the time we have the next mobility committee meeting. 274 00:13:46,220 --> 00:13:48,740 - And because it's a maintenance contract, 275 00:13:48,740 --> 00:13:51,300 it's more expeditious and, you know, 276 00:13:51,300 --> 00:13:54,260 if we get this last part done soon enough, 277 00:13:54,260 --> 00:13:57,220 I think that we're coming into a good paving season. 278 00:13:57,220 --> 00:14:00,180 You know, it'll just be a matter of us pressuring them 279 00:14:00,180 --> 00:14:02,140 to make it a priority. 280 00:14:02,140 --> 00:14:03,780 I think they already think it is. 281 00:14:03,780 --> 00:14:07,140 - That's what a priority looks like, okay. 282 00:14:07,140 --> 00:14:11,860 Can you help us with just like a short explanation 283 00:14:11,860 --> 00:14:13,860 or some language to answer the question, 284 00:14:13,860 --> 00:14:15,500 why has it taken so long? 285 00:14:16,980 --> 00:14:18,900 - Yes, the short answer? 286 00:14:18,900 --> 00:14:20,700 - Yeah, not the fully technical one, 287 00:14:20,700 --> 00:14:22,380 but when you can tell your neighbor. 288 00:14:22,380 --> 00:14:25,300 - Elm and Locust are tech stock project, our roads, 289 00:14:25,300 --> 00:14:28,500 but they are roads that were older roads 290 00:14:28,500 --> 00:14:30,380 that were basically put on the system 291 00:14:30,380 --> 00:14:33,220 when we did some stuff to 377th Street Town. 292 00:14:33,220 --> 00:14:36,380 City has always had utilities under the pavement 293 00:14:36,380 --> 00:14:39,100 and that causes problems with the pavement 294 00:14:39,100 --> 00:14:42,700 and the utilities and this last cycle 295 00:14:42,700 --> 00:14:43,780 of where the city needed to come in 296 00:14:43,780 --> 00:14:45,900 and do some very significant improvements 297 00:14:45,900 --> 00:14:48,580 to the downtown area for the utilities and drainage. 298 00:14:48,580 --> 00:14:52,740 Tech stock said, look, at one point a couple years ago, 299 00:14:52,740 --> 00:14:54,900 they held our permits hostage 300 00:14:54,900 --> 00:14:57,340 'cause they said, we're not gonna let you do the work 301 00:14:57,340 --> 00:14:59,260 until you agree to take it off system. 302 00:14:59,260 --> 00:15:00,820 Well, now they've even reversed that 303 00:15:00,820 --> 00:15:03,780 and we have to like negotiate to get it off system. 304 00:15:03,780 --> 00:15:05,860 And so that held us up for a while 305 00:15:05,860 --> 00:15:07,980 and we finally got them to give us the permits 306 00:15:07,980 --> 00:15:09,340 and then it was a matter of, 307 00:15:09,340 --> 00:15:10,740 oh, we're gonna take it off system 308 00:15:10,740 --> 00:15:13,540 but it depends on quality of the road once it's done 309 00:15:13,540 --> 00:15:15,660 'cause right now we're gonna tear it up 310 00:15:15,660 --> 00:15:20,100 and we don't wanna go back and do a base repair 311 00:15:20,100 --> 00:15:22,860 and full depth on those areas that we mess up 312 00:15:22,860 --> 00:15:25,460 and then you come back behind us and tear it all out 313 00:15:25,460 --> 00:15:28,020 and fix it to our standards and give it back to us. 314 00:15:28,020 --> 00:15:29,900 So there was a negotiated battle 315 00:15:29,900 --> 00:15:32,260 that dealt with that for about a year. 316 00:15:32,260 --> 00:15:37,260 And so it's just the process of you have a city road, 317 00:15:37,260 --> 00:15:41,580 it's a state facility with city utilities in it 318 00:15:41,580 --> 00:15:43,580 and they all have different purposes 319 00:15:43,580 --> 00:15:47,180 and they all have ways of getting in each other's way. 320 00:15:47,180 --> 00:15:50,460 - Trying to think of how to make that simpler. 321 00:15:50,460 --> 00:15:52,380 - I would just like to add to that 322 00:15:52,380 --> 00:15:56,380 because it's a textile roadway, textile gave us the permit 323 00:15:56,380 --> 00:15:58,740 to go ahead and do the construction 324 00:15:58,740 --> 00:16:00,900 for the water and sewer underneath the roadway, 325 00:16:00,900 --> 00:16:02,500 although it's a textile roadway. 326 00:16:02,500 --> 00:16:06,560 There's some terminology that we're still working through 327 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,260 because the city from my understandings, 328 00:16:09,260 --> 00:16:13,540 understanding was that it was gonna be completely rebuilt 329 00:16:13,540 --> 00:16:17,420 and with TechStop working through with a maintenance program, 330 00:16:17,420 --> 00:16:22,020 it's going to have more of a rehabilitation type measure. 331 00:16:22,020 --> 00:16:26,900 So I'm looking at the types of the useful life 332 00:16:26,900 --> 00:16:28,700 of the roadway that's going to be constructed 333 00:16:28,700 --> 00:16:30,100 before the city says, yes, 334 00:16:30,100 --> 00:16:31,900 that's the path we want to go down. 335 00:16:31,900 --> 00:16:34,940 So there's a lot of conversations going back and forth, 336 00:16:34,940 --> 00:16:36,180 just simply from the standpoint 337 00:16:36,180 --> 00:16:38,300 that yes, we need the roadway completed 338 00:16:38,300 --> 00:16:40,900 and we need the roadway fixed, obviously, right? 339 00:16:40,900 --> 00:16:43,540 We all know that, we all have that same concern, 340 00:16:43,540 --> 00:16:44,760 but I also don't want, 341 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:46,860 and I know Danny Kramer's sitting over 342 00:16:46,860 --> 00:16:48,780 in the area over there, 343 00:16:48,780 --> 00:16:51,700 but he has the individual with public works 344 00:16:51,700 --> 00:16:53,620 over the entire street operation, 345 00:16:53,620 --> 00:16:56,260 the city doesn't wanna accept and take a roadway 346 00:16:56,260 --> 00:16:59,380 into our system that doesn't meet our standards. 347 00:16:59,380 --> 00:17:02,800 And so it's a constant conversation, 348 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:04,860 making sure that what is constructed 349 00:17:04,860 --> 00:17:07,060 is something that the city's comfortable with 350 00:17:07,060 --> 00:17:09,060 to the standard that we're comfortable with, 351 00:17:09,060 --> 00:17:11,860 because the previous conversations were 352 00:17:11,860 --> 00:17:13,220 from the understanding that 353 00:17:13,220 --> 00:17:15,660 if we did this utility work and drainage work, 354 00:17:15,660 --> 00:17:18,860 the roadway was gonna be completely reconstructed. 355 00:17:18,860 --> 00:17:21,100 It's now looking as if that's a more 356 00:17:21,100 --> 00:17:23,620 of a maintenance rehabilitation. 357 00:17:23,620 --> 00:17:26,420 So we're looking at what does that truly mean? 358 00:17:26,420 --> 00:17:28,600 And like I said, we got the plans yesterday 359 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,000 so that we can now evaluate it. 360 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,500 Staffs had multiple field visits, 361 00:17:32,500 --> 00:17:35,160 but I myself don't feel comfortable, 362 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,420 and I know city manager's office 363 00:17:37,420 --> 00:17:39,180 and then of course, street operations, 364 00:17:39,180 --> 00:17:40,480 doesn't wanna take something on, 365 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,340 nor does Textodot at this time 366 00:17:42,340 --> 00:17:44,540 want to put together that agreement 367 00:17:44,540 --> 00:17:47,260 that's not something that we can all come to terms with. 368 00:17:47,260 --> 00:17:49,820 And ultimately it impacts also, 369 00:17:49,820 --> 00:17:51,920 the roadways further north in this area. 370 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,140 So it's kind of a catch-22 371 00:17:54,140 --> 00:17:55,780 because they don't typically allow you 372 00:17:55,780 --> 00:17:57,580 to have utilities in the roadway. 373 00:17:57,580 --> 00:17:58,540 Those are past history. 374 00:17:58,540 --> 00:18:01,300 Those things happen probably in the 20s, 40s. 375 00:18:01,300 --> 00:18:03,420 I have no idea when that was constructed. 376 00:18:03,420 --> 00:18:05,500 So just understand the reason 377 00:18:05,500 --> 00:18:07,040 why it's taking a little bit of time 378 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,860 is because we wanna make sure if we do say yes, 379 00:18:09,860 --> 00:18:11,300 we wanna move forward with that turn back 380 00:18:11,300 --> 00:18:13,380 and take that portion of the roadway over, 381 00:18:13,380 --> 00:18:14,540 that it's built to a standard 382 00:18:14,540 --> 00:18:16,020 that the city is comfortable with. 383 00:18:16,020 --> 00:18:18,560 - So let me try, and go ahead, please. 384 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,440 - I was gonna wait until you were done. 385 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:27,440 Yeah, I just have, what's circulating in my head 386 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:32,860 is that any citizen that is driving through, 387 00:18:32,860 --> 00:18:37,460 of course the complaint is that it's just taking so long 388 00:18:37,460 --> 00:18:39,380 versus what they actually see. 389 00:18:39,380 --> 00:18:42,680 Big pipes on the road, things opening up. 390 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:46,780 It's obvious that they are expanding 391 00:18:46,780 --> 00:18:48,240 because the city is growing. 392 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:49,580 That's what I say. 393 00:18:49,580 --> 00:18:51,740 It's road work because the city is growing 394 00:18:51,740 --> 00:18:54,000 and they need to put bigger pipes in. 395 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,960 That seems to be the basic type of conversation. 396 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:02,820 But now I'm thinking, as I'm hearing, 397 00:19:02,820 --> 00:19:07,820 that the utilities are literally under the road, right? 398 00:19:07,820 --> 00:19:09,460 Is that what I heard? 399 00:19:09,460 --> 00:19:10,300 - Yes, ma'am, that's correct. 400 00:19:10,300 --> 00:19:13,700 - Because we're going to be upgrading some utilities 401 00:19:13,700 --> 00:19:17,700 under some roads that are in, already here. 402 00:19:17,700 --> 00:19:22,220 I appreciate hearing that. 403 00:19:22,220 --> 00:19:24,700 So generally, where are the utilities located 404 00:19:24,700 --> 00:19:26,460 when a new road is built? 405 00:19:26,460 --> 00:19:29,380 - Utilities are always located underneath the roadway. 406 00:19:29,380 --> 00:19:30,620 - Yeah, on a city road. 407 00:19:30,620 --> 00:19:31,740 - On a city roadway. 408 00:19:31,740 --> 00:19:34,220 Elm and Locus are state roads 409 00:19:34,220 --> 00:19:36,820 and the state doesn't allow utilities under their pavement. 410 00:19:36,820 --> 00:19:40,820 They'd have a 15-foot parkway on either side of the roadway 411 00:19:40,820 --> 00:19:44,180 that they allow utilities in 412 00:19:44,180 --> 00:19:47,020 and all the drainage for the roadway itself 413 00:19:47,020 --> 00:19:48,980 can be under pavement, 414 00:19:48,980 --> 00:19:52,140 but the utilities have to be outside in the parkway. 415 00:19:52,140 --> 00:19:54,140 - So this, I'm sorry. 416 00:19:54,140 --> 00:19:54,980 - No, go ahead. 417 00:19:54,980 --> 00:19:56,460 I was just going to say that typically, 418 00:19:56,460 --> 00:19:59,100 from the city perspective, what John's describing, 419 00:19:59,100 --> 00:20:01,780 that's called the utility accommodation zone. 420 00:20:01,780 --> 00:20:03,140 Cities typically don't go 421 00:20:03,140 --> 00:20:04,860 within the utility accommodation zone. 422 00:20:04,860 --> 00:20:06,700 We purchase, as you're aware of, 423 00:20:06,700 --> 00:20:08,580 of course, with the 35 Project, 424 00:20:08,580 --> 00:20:10,700 easements that are outside the right-of-way line 425 00:20:10,700 --> 00:20:12,860 so that our facilities can go in, 426 00:20:12,860 --> 00:20:15,980 water or sewer easements outside the TxDOT roadway. 427 00:20:15,980 --> 00:20:16,820 Correct. 428 00:20:16,820 --> 00:20:18,700 - But that can't happen on this roadway 429 00:20:18,700 --> 00:20:20,340 because it's an older road. 430 00:20:20,340 --> 00:20:23,060 - Well, the outside of the roadway is the sidewalk 431 00:20:23,060 --> 00:20:25,580 and then outside the sidewalk is the building. 432 00:20:25,580 --> 00:20:26,420 - Yeah. 433 00:20:26,420 --> 00:20:27,260 - So we are-- 434 00:20:27,260 --> 00:20:28,460 - So you're saying what we want. 435 00:20:28,460 --> 00:20:31,500 - Yeah, we're restricted. 436 00:20:31,500 --> 00:20:32,460 And so the good news is, 437 00:20:32,460 --> 00:20:33,900 the reason why I think the maintenance contract 438 00:20:33,900 --> 00:20:35,740 is going to go faster than we think 439 00:20:35,740 --> 00:20:37,180 is because about two months ago, 440 00:20:37,180 --> 00:20:39,420 the commission threw everybody a curve ball 441 00:20:39,420 --> 00:20:42,580 and says we may not be interested in turn back anymore. 442 00:20:42,580 --> 00:20:45,020 And so we may get the road upgraded, 443 00:20:45,020 --> 00:20:47,460 leave the utilities in the ground, 444 00:20:47,460 --> 00:20:49,460 and TxDOT come back and later go, 445 00:20:49,460 --> 00:20:51,180 we're not going to give it to you. 446 00:20:51,180 --> 00:20:53,140 So then you don't have to maintain it. 447 00:20:53,140 --> 00:20:53,980 - That's interesting. 448 00:20:53,980 --> 00:20:56,980 'Cause our call, we're clearly voting. 449 00:20:56,980 --> 00:20:59,780 I didn't vote for it, but there was a vote on council 450 00:20:59,780 --> 00:21:01,700 to say that we would take it. 451 00:21:01,700 --> 00:21:04,620 I'm sorry. 452 00:21:04,620 --> 00:21:06,700 - Yeah, so I just wanted to, 453 00:21:06,700 --> 00:21:10,260 I don't know if now is the appropriate time to bring it up, 454 00:21:10,260 --> 00:21:11,100 but I just wanted to kind of, 455 00:21:11,100 --> 00:21:13,540 you know me, I like to throw ideas out there 456 00:21:13,540 --> 00:21:16,420 regardless of whether they're realistic or not. 457 00:21:16,420 --> 00:21:20,700 But given that we've got Paul and Brittany here today, 458 00:21:20,700 --> 00:21:23,380 I wonder if now would be a good opportunity 459 00:21:23,380 --> 00:21:27,340 to talk about this section of roadway 460 00:21:27,340 --> 00:21:29,620 and the section of roadway to the north. 461 00:21:29,620 --> 00:21:32,660 I know that the, you know, the phase one area, 462 00:21:32,660 --> 00:21:34,180 there aren't currently any bus routes 463 00:21:34,180 --> 00:21:37,500 that run on that roadway, 464 00:21:37,500 --> 00:21:39,860 but this is, you know, the core of the city. 465 00:21:39,860 --> 00:21:43,740 And as bus routes change and evolve over the years, 466 00:21:43,740 --> 00:21:48,180 you know, I hope that we'll have an eye toward roadway design 467 00:21:48,180 --> 00:21:51,460 that's accommodating of buses. 468 00:21:51,460 --> 00:21:54,860 You know, maybe that could include a pull-off 469 00:21:54,860 --> 00:21:57,420 or maybe it's just, I mean, 470 00:21:57,420 --> 00:21:59,100 I don't know if there are any design standards 471 00:21:59,100 --> 00:22:01,700 as far as like the quality of the pavement 472 00:22:01,700 --> 00:22:03,540 that needs to be bolstered 473 00:22:03,540 --> 00:22:04,980 if there are gonna be buses on it, 474 00:22:04,980 --> 00:22:06,420 but something to consider I think. 475 00:22:06,420 --> 00:22:08,620 - So if it stays on system, 476 00:22:08,620 --> 00:22:11,180 a lot of that, I mean, the pavement thickness 477 00:22:11,180 --> 00:22:13,340 is gonna be what the pavement thickness needs to be. 478 00:22:13,340 --> 00:22:16,060 But if it's on system, a lot of that stuff 479 00:22:16,060 --> 00:22:18,860 to accommodate the transit won't be allowed. 480 00:22:20,580 --> 00:22:22,060 That was part of the reason why we wanted 481 00:22:22,060 --> 00:22:24,700 to get it off system because once it's off system, 482 00:22:24,700 --> 00:22:26,900 you can create it in your own image. 483 00:22:26,900 --> 00:22:29,860 - And I would also mention that as we look at the plans 484 00:22:29,860 --> 00:22:33,100 that are being evaluated that we received, 485 00:22:33,100 --> 00:22:34,580 we also are gonna be looking at 486 00:22:34,580 --> 00:22:36,980 how the roadway can be striped, right? 487 00:22:36,980 --> 00:22:40,300 We wanna continue to have the two-lane capacity. 488 00:22:40,300 --> 00:22:42,260 I realize when you're coming, you know, 489 00:22:42,260 --> 00:22:45,340 going northbound on Locust, it's actually three lanes, 490 00:22:45,340 --> 00:22:47,580 but what Nathan is evaluating is looking at 491 00:22:47,580 --> 00:22:51,540 how we can include bike lanes, pedestrian facilities. 492 00:22:51,540 --> 00:22:53,220 TxDOT's not evaluating that 493 00:22:53,220 --> 00:22:55,780 because that's not a part of their overall approach, 494 00:22:55,780 --> 00:22:57,820 but it's working on that collaboration 495 00:22:57,820 --> 00:23:01,900 of what can we do to have the roadway striped appropriately 496 00:23:01,900 --> 00:23:04,100 to make sure that that's a corridor, 497 00:23:04,100 --> 00:23:06,420 that we do have the pedestrian accommodations 498 00:23:06,420 --> 00:23:07,740 and the bicycle accommodations 499 00:23:07,740 --> 00:23:10,660 to bring that multimodal approach to that roadway. 500 00:23:10,660 --> 00:23:13,100 - So just so you know, 501 00:23:13,100 --> 00:23:15,820 the reason why they have terminated turnbacks 502 00:23:15,820 --> 00:23:17,740 is because they found out that communities 503 00:23:17,740 --> 00:23:19,740 were taking their state facilities, 504 00:23:19,740 --> 00:23:23,460 reducing capacity and doing everything that Becky just said. 505 00:23:23,460 --> 00:23:25,460 And so that's when they killed it. 506 00:23:25,460 --> 00:23:27,540 They took one back from San Antonio 507 00:23:27,540 --> 00:23:30,100 that they gave to them in 2014, 508 00:23:30,100 --> 00:23:32,580 and they were about to go to construction with it, so. 509 00:23:32,580 --> 00:23:34,660 - Because, but what? 510 00:23:34,660 --> 00:23:37,500 - How dare a city provide accommodations 511 00:23:37,500 --> 00:23:39,140 for a desk fan? - Yeah, because they added 512 00:23:39,140 --> 00:23:40,500 facilities? - No, they, 513 00:23:40,500 --> 00:23:44,540 because they went from number of lanes to less lanes, 514 00:23:44,540 --> 00:23:46,980 and then they turned them into a multimodal facility. 515 00:23:46,980 --> 00:23:48,100 So everything you want to do, 516 00:23:48,100 --> 00:23:49,380 everything that everybody wants to do 517 00:23:49,380 --> 00:23:50,860 are the things they don't want you to do. 518 00:23:50,860 --> 00:23:53,740 And I'll be careful on how I say this, 519 00:23:53,740 --> 00:23:57,020 but there is some irony, or confusion. 520 00:23:57,020 --> 00:24:00,020 Well, someone's listening. 521 00:24:00,020 --> 00:24:03,700 They want you to take the road. 522 00:24:03,700 --> 00:24:05,900 It would be like buying a house from somebody, 523 00:24:05,900 --> 00:24:06,740 and then they tell you, 524 00:24:06,740 --> 00:24:09,020 you can't do any remodeling to it, right? 525 00:24:09,020 --> 00:24:10,820 After it's yours. - Yeah, that's weird. 526 00:24:10,820 --> 00:24:11,660 - That's what we're doing. 527 00:24:11,660 --> 00:24:13,820 - You know, I'm sorry to be beating at that horse. 528 00:24:13,820 --> 00:24:14,660 I know we got more to cover, 529 00:24:14,660 --> 00:24:17,460 but just a couple loose ends on this topic. 530 00:24:17,460 --> 00:24:22,420 Am I correct in understanding that the utility work, 531 00:24:22,420 --> 00:24:23,780 it's not just a matter of upgrading, 532 00:24:23,780 --> 00:24:26,980 it's part of the PEC-4, this is a question, 533 00:24:26,980 --> 00:24:29,260 is it part of the PEC-4 deal where, 534 00:24:29,260 --> 00:24:32,300 you know, it's, where we've done necessary work 535 00:24:32,300 --> 00:24:34,620 to get that area out of the floodplain? 536 00:24:34,620 --> 00:24:36,460 Is it connected with that? 537 00:24:36,460 --> 00:24:38,900 - The utility work, water and sewer construction, 538 00:24:38,900 --> 00:24:41,540 and also the drainage construction is complete. 539 00:24:41,540 --> 00:24:43,140 And we are working through what's called 540 00:24:43,140 --> 00:24:47,500 a LOMAR process to remove the area for phase one and two 541 00:24:47,500 --> 00:24:49,300 out of the floodplain, you are correct. 542 00:24:49,300 --> 00:24:50,340 - So it is part of that. 543 00:24:50,340 --> 00:24:52,860 So it's, we can talk a little more about it offline, 544 00:24:52,860 --> 00:24:54,380 but it's a really good thing. 545 00:24:54,380 --> 00:24:58,860 But, and then just to, for me, cap it off. 546 00:24:58,860 --> 00:25:01,540 So that, that's a good thing, I understand that. 547 00:25:01,540 --> 00:25:03,340 And then it's the status that the really, 548 00:25:03,340 --> 00:25:05,220 after the utility work, 549 00:25:05,220 --> 00:25:07,740 that there hasn't really been a lot of movement 550 00:25:07,740 --> 00:25:11,140 on the ground because we're in this negotiation 551 00:25:11,140 --> 00:25:16,140 over which way it's gonna get rebuilt or, you know. 552 00:25:16,140 --> 00:25:20,140 - So just, the guy that works for me, 553 00:25:20,140 --> 00:25:21,860 he used to be the area engineer here, 554 00:25:21,860 --> 00:25:24,540 and he had an anecdotal story with it. 555 00:25:24,540 --> 00:25:27,220 When he did a resurfacing of Elmer Locus at one point, 556 00:25:27,220 --> 00:25:30,780 and he, the contractor had, part of the contract 557 00:25:30,780 --> 00:25:33,420 was to when he discovered base failure, 558 00:25:33,420 --> 00:25:35,180 he was to repair the base failure, 559 00:25:35,180 --> 00:25:37,980 and he only had like 15%, whatever. 560 00:25:37,980 --> 00:25:39,820 And there was one area of Elmer Locus 561 00:25:39,820 --> 00:25:41,540 where they uncovered the pavement, 562 00:25:41,540 --> 00:25:45,340 they found a sinkhole big enough to put a car in. 563 00:25:45,340 --> 00:25:46,180 - Wow. 564 00:25:46,180 --> 00:25:49,140 - There wasn't anything between the pavement and that hole. 565 00:25:49,140 --> 00:25:51,300 We weren't sure how the road stayed up. 566 00:25:51,300 --> 00:25:53,820 And so what the city wants to make sure is, 567 00:25:53,820 --> 00:25:58,300 is that, you know, you got a pretty two inch overlay, 568 00:25:58,300 --> 00:25:59,660 it's not on quicksand. 569 00:25:59,660 --> 00:26:01,280 - Yeah, yeah. 570 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:02,120 - And I just-- 571 00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:03,780 - I'm done, go ahead, did you? 572 00:26:03,780 --> 00:26:05,020 - Oh yeah, I'm done. 573 00:26:05,020 --> 00:26:06,420 - One last thing I just wanna mention 574 00:26:06,420 --> 00:26:07,900 with this entire conversation, 575 00:26:07,900 --> 00:26:10,500 we're only talking about the green section on the map, 576 00:26:10,500 --> 00:26:11,900 which is phase one. 577 00:26:11,900 --> 00:26:14,940 Obviously the blue section on the map, 578 00:26:14,940 --> 00:26:17,820 we still have water and wastewater utilities to improve. 579 00:26:17,820 --> 00:26:20,100 We still need a large sum of money 580 00:26:20,100 --> 00:26:22,780 to do the drainage improvements along that area. 581 00:26:22,780 --> 00:26:25,140 And then of course a similar conversation with TxDOT 582 00:26:25,140 --> 00:26:27,900 as to how the roadway will be reconstructed. 583 00:26:27,900 --> 00:26:30,220 So just wanted to clarify that the conversation 584 00:26:30,220 --> 00:26:32,540 we're having is just specifically with the areas 585 00:26:32,540 --> 00:26:36,140 of water insert that's already been completed and drainage. 586 00:26:36,140 --> 00:26:38,020 South of the courthouse. 587 00:26:38,020 --> 00:26:38,860 - Yes, sir. 588 00:26:38,860 --> 00:26:41,020 - Great, okay. 589 00:26:41,020 --> 00:26:43,860 Thanks for-- 590 00:26:43,860 --> 00:26:45,660 - Just for the record, all my reports 591 00:26:45,660 --> 00:26:47,140 that I've gone over really fast. 592 00:26:47,140 --> 00:26:49,500 When we get to the one for Becky, it takes longer. 593 00:26:49,500 --> 00:26:52,380 Oh, now we're done. 594 00:26:52,380 --> 00:26:54,060 - Well, actually-- 595 00:26:54,060 --> 00:26:54,900 - Actually. 596 00:26:54,900 --> 00:26:57,460 - I wonder if, you know, the other one 597 00:26:57,460 --> 00:27:00,460 that I hear the most about is Bonnie Bray, 598 00:27:00,460 --> 00:27:02,980 especially south of the university. 599 00:27:02,980 --> 00:27:05,580 Can we include a status on that when we talk about it? 600 00:27:05,580 --> 00:27:09,060 And, you know, it just, it doesn't feel 601 00:27:09,060 --> 00:27:14,060 to constituents like we're making any progress there. 602 00:27:14,060 --> 00:27:16,740 - So Bonnie Bray, phase four-- 603 00:27:16,740 --> 00:27:17,820 - Bonnie Bray, south of the university. 604 00:27:17,820 --> 00:27:20,020 - And five, but are you discussing, sir, 605 00:27:20,020 --> 00:27:25,020 between 380 and say 35, Bonnie Bray? 606 00:27:25,020 --> 00:27:26,060 - Yeah, south of the university. 607 00:27:26,060 --> 00:27:26,900 - University and-- 608 00:27:26,900 --> 00:27:27,740 - Sure. 609 00:27:27,740 --> 00:27:28,580 - So that's actually-- 610 00:27:28,580 --> 00:27:29,540 - Yeah, we're down to one lane, you know, 611 00:27:29,540 --> 00:27:31,700 big pipes along the side and all that, you know. 612 00:27:31,700 --> 00:27:33,500 - Staff can bring you a separate report 613 00:27:33,500 --> 00:27:35,180 as part of the staff update. 614 00:27:35,180 --> 00:27:37,220 If you'd like to continue to hear updates 615 00:27:37,220 --> 00:27:40,020 on the Bonnie Bray project, we don't have an issue with that. 616 00:27:40,020 --> 00:27:42,100 It's actually not a part of Mr. Polster's report 617 00:27:42,100 --> 00:27:46,460 because he's specifically talking about on-system roadways. 618 00:27:46,460 --> 00:27:47,940 - I thought we changed that, that it was, 619 00:27:47,940 --> 00:27:50,060 like it had been that for a long, long time. 620 00:27:50,060 --> 00:27:51,180 It was just textile. 621 00:27:51,180 --> 00:27:52,940 - No, no, for a long time, it was everything, 622 00:27:52,940 --> 00:27:55,100 and the stuff that wasn't me, I didn't know anything about, 623 00:27:55,100 --> 00:27:56,500 I was just putting it in a report. 624 00:27:56,500 --> 00:27:59,420 - Yeah, yeah, 'cause it's, we used to call it 625 00:27:59,420 --> 00:28:01,540 the on-system report, but now it's 626 00:28:01,540 --> 00:28:02,940 City of Denton Transportation. 627 00:28:02,940 --> 00:28:06,940 I thought we would cover our main, just topics of interest. 628 00:28:06,940 --> 00:28:11,500 Frankly, this precedes these guys being on here. 629 00:28:11,500 --> 00:28:13,860 Senator John Ryan asked for that. 630 00:28:13,860 --> 00:28:14,700 - I think the best way-- 631 00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:16,620 - It precedes you too, as a matter of fact. 632 00:28:16,620 --> 00:28:18,180 - Well, thank you. 633 00:28:18,180 --> 00:28:20,740 I think the best way for us to go about that, 634 00:28:20,740 --> 00:28:22,700 if you would be amenable to, 635 00:28:22,700 --> 00:28:25,420 is to have that as a part of our staff update, 636 00:28:25,420 --> 00:28:27,860 because it's a project that the city staff is managing, 637 00:28:27,860 --> 00:28:30,460 and it actually is something that we're collaborating 638 00:28:30,460 --> 00:28:33,220 with the county and the state on, specifically 639 00:28:33,220 --> 00:28:35,620 because of the funding, and of course because of, 640 00:28:35,620 --> 00:28:38,140 with COG, but it's not something that Mr. Polster 641 00:28:38,140 --> 00:28:39,620 would be able to have an update on. 642 00:28:39,620 --> 00:28:40,460 - Okay. 643 00:28:40,460 --> 00:28:42,940 - Yeah, if, I would appreciate it if we could get, you know, 644 00:28:42,940 --> 00:28:46,180 maybe a standing update each month from our staff, 645 00:28:46,180 --> 00:28:48,180 not from, not from John. 646 00:28:48,180 --> 00:28:49,020 - On Body, Brain, specifically? 647 00:28:49,020 --> 00:28:50,980 - Anyone but John. 648 00:28:50,980 --> 00:28:52,780 - Yes, on Body, Brain, specifically. 649 00:28:52,780 --> 00:28:53,620 - Sure, that's fine. 650 00:28:53,620 --> 00:28:56,380 - Since that's such a, such a big project, 651 00:28:56,380 --> 00:28:59,900 and it's so disruptive to a lot of folks, yeah. 652 00:29:01,060 --> 00:29:03,540 - Absolutely, we can add that as a part of the staff update. 653 00:29:03,540 --> 00:29:04,380 - Thank you. 654 00:29:04,380 --> 00:29:07,260 - Do we want to go over the acronyms? 655 00:29:07,260 --> 00:29:09,220 - Yes, absolutely. 656 00:29:09,220 --> 00:29:12,420 Thank you very much. 657 00:29:12,420 --> 00:29:14,820 - I can't turn it off. 658 00:29:14,820 --> 00:29:17,260 - Okay. 659 00:29:17,260 --> 00:29:21,900 I tend to, you know, I realize I tend to do these 660 00:29:21,900 --> 00:29:24,260 without breaks, is that, are you all right with that? 661 00:29:24,260 --> 00:29:27,100 Or would you like to take it, take, yeah, yeah, yeah. 662 00:29:27,100 --> 00:29:27,920 Okay. 663 00:29:29,500 --> 00:29:30,500 Okay, let me know. 664 00:29:30,500 --> 00:29:33,100 All right, so we'll move on to the next item. 665 00:29:33,100 --> 00:29:36,140 Receive a report and hold a discussion regarding updates 666 00:29:36,140 --> 00:29:38,700 from the Potentum County Transportation Authority. 667 00:29:38,700 --> 00:29:41,180 - Good morning. 668 00:29:41,180 --> 00:29:42,020 - Good morning. 669 00:29:42,020 --> 00:29:47,220 - Put my millennial skills to use. 670 00:29:47,220 --> 00:29:51,300 Oh, no, not like that. 671 00:29:51,300 --> 00:29:52,140 Like that. 672 00:29:52,140 --> 00:29:55,660 All right, good morning, Mayor Potem-Melzer, 673 00:29:55,660 --> 00:29:56,700 members of the council. 674 00:29:56,700 --> 00:29:57,900 My name is Brittany Farr. 675 00:29:57,900 --> 00:29:59,620 I'm the Director of Government Relations 676 00:29:59,620 --> 00:30:01,940 for Denton County Transportation Authority, 677 00:30:01,940 --> 00:30:03,140 and we are here today to provide you 678 00:30:03,140 --> 00:30:06,500 with an update of our activities at DCTA. 679 00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:09,540 I'll start by introducing our Deputy CEO, 680 00:30:09,540 --> 00:30:11,060 Mr. Paul Christina. 681 00:30:11,060 --> 00:30:13,180 As you're no doubt aware, Mr. Raymond Suarez 682 00:30:13,180 --> 00:30:15,580 submitted his resignation this month. 683 00:30:15,580 --> 00:30:18,300 As of April 1st, Mr. Christina will be taking over 684 00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:20,460 as our interim CEO. 685 00:30:20,460 --> 00:30:22,860 Seeing as how this is both of our first time 686 00:30:22,860 --> 00:30:23,900 to address this committee, 687 00:30:23,900 --> 00:30:26,940 we're going to tag team it today, safer in numbers. 688 00:30:26,940 --> 00:30:28,300 So I'll bring up Mr. Christina. 689 00:30:28,300 --> 00:30:29,980 He'll introduce himself, 690 00:30:29,980 --> 00:30:31,500 talk a little bit about our efforts 691 00:30:31,500 --> 00:30:33,540 around the comprehensive operation 692 00:30:33,540 --> 00:30:36,220 and fare structure analysis that's going on, 693 00:30:36,220 --> 00:30:37,300 and then I'll come in at the end 694 00:30:37,300 --> 00:30:40,260 to provide an overview of the Connect service changes 695 00:30:40,260 --> 00:30:43,300 that went into effect a couple of weeks ago on March 14th, 696 00:30:43,300 --> 00:30:45,580 as well as provide our response to the inclement weather 697 00:30:45,580 --> 00:30:48,660 that struck the region two times in the month of February. 698 00:30:48,660 --> 00:30:50,620 And then we'll both be here to answer any questions 699 00:30:50,620 --> 00:30:51,620 that you may have for us. 700 00:30:51,620 --> 00:30:53,980 So with that, I'll bring Paul up to the podium. 701 00:30:56,340 --> 00:30:58,820 Welcome, both of you. 702 00:30:58,820 --> 00:30:59,660 - Thank you very much. 703 00:30:59,660 --> 00:31:00,980 It's good to be with you. 704 00:31:00,980 --> 00:31:03,580 Like Brittany said, my name is Paul Christina, 705 00:31:03,580 --> 00:31:06,780 and I've been given the privilege of leading DCTA 706 00:31:06,780 --> 00:31:09,540 as an interim CEO beginning April 1st, 707 00:31:09,540 --> 00:31:10,860 and so I'm pleased to be with you today 708 00:31:10,860 --> 00:31:13,820 to provide the update on how we're moving forward 709 00:31:13,820 --> 00:31:15,780 with our comprehensive operations analysis 710 00:31:15,780 --> 00:31:19,220 that you all have been seeing in progress for some time. 711 00:31:19,220 --> 00:31:22,860 So at the core of what we're doing 712 00:31:22,860 --> 00:31:25,540 is that right now we're leveraging ridership data. 713 00:31:25,540 --> 00:31:28,820 - Do you want to take questions as you go, 714 00:31:28,820 --> 00:31:30,300 or should we hold them till the end? 715 00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:31,660 - I'm happy to have a conversation, 716 00:31:31,660 --> 00:31:33,660 so if you have questions and would like to raise your hand, 717 00:31:33,660 --> 00:31:35,740 please do, and we can talk through it, 718 00:31:35,740 --> 00:31:37,460 and that's just fine. 719 00:31:37,460 --> 00:31:38,940 Thank you for that. 720 00:31:38,940 --> 00:31:41,580 So right now what we're doing is designing 721 00:31:41,580 --> 00:31:44,860 an integrated service across all of DCTA's modes, 722 00:31:44,860 --> 00:31:47,340 and we're doing that by leveraging ridership data 723 00:31:47,340 --> 00:31:50,780 across GoZone and the Connect service 724 00:31:50,780 --> 00:31:52,420 in order to be able to make recommendations 725 00:31:52,420 --> 00:31:55,940 about the proper levels of service among those modes, 726 00:31:55,940 --> 00:31:58,660 fixed route and on demand, enabling us to implement 727 00:31:58,660 --> 00:31:59,820 what will be an integrated 728 00:31:59,820 --> 00:32:03,420 and complementary multimodal system. 729 00:32:03,420 --> 00:32:06,100 Fair pricing is part of that conversation 730 00:32:06,100 --> 00:32:08,980 because we believe that we can use the pricing 731 00:32:08,980 --> 00:32:11,340 of the GoZone service and the Connect service 732 00:32:11,340 --> 00:32:14,940 to cause riders to make decisions that are best for them 733 00:32:14,940 --> 00:32:18,700 and for the modes of service that we have available. 734 00:32:18,700 --> 00:32:20,460 So this chart here just shows 735 00:32:20,460 --> 00:32:21,740 the way that we're going to do that 736 00:32:21,740 --> 00:32:23,340 is right now we're in the process 737 00:32:23,340 --> 00:32:25,500 of looking at the fixed route network, 738 00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:27,100 and you've seen several revisions of that 739 00:32:27,100 --> 00:32:29,340 over the course of the last several months, 740 00:32:29,340 --> 00:32:32,980 and then as we think about how riders will use those 741 00:32:32,980 --> 00:32:37,140 or access those resources, it's through the GoZone app 742 00:32:37,140 --> 00:32:39,180 that will enable them to book a ride 743 00:32:39,180 --> 00:32:42,260 that uses a GoZone vehicle perhaps 744 00:32:42,260 --> 00:32:45,300 for a portion of their trip and a fixed route vehicle 745 00:32:45,300 --> 00:32:46,340 for the portion of their trip 746 00:32:46,340 --> 00:32:48,420 if that's the way that their trip aligns, 747 00:32:48,420 --> 00:32:50,780 and then like I said, we can use pricing, 748 00:32:50,780 --> 00:32:52,620 fair structure between those two modes 749 00:32:52,620 --> 00:32:55,580 to encourage the most efficient use of those resources 750 00:32:55,580 --> 00:32:57,460 and ultimately being able to deploy 751 00:32:57,460 --> 00:33:00,780 what is an intermodal solution for riders 752 00:33:00,780 --> 00:33:02,740 through the app or through the traditional means 753 00:33:02,740 --> 00:33:04,940 of purchasing tickets like they do today. 754 00:33:04,940 --> 00:33:12,140 - Does the app show alternate routes 755 00:33:12,140 --> 00:33:17,060 and estimated time of journey for each of them? 756 00:33:17,060 --> 00:33:20,020 - I think, so we're going to be going through this tomorrow 757 00:33:20,020 --> 00:33:23,020 with our board and just where we are in the process. 758 00:33:23,020 --> 00:33:24,780 It's going to be a very high level, 759 00:33:24,780 --> 00:33:27,220 but what I think you can expect to see 760 00:33:27,220 --> 00:33:30,020 is that a rider could put in their current origin, 761 00:33:30,020 --> 00:33:32,580 their destination, and provide here's the method 762 00:33:32,580 --> 00:33:34,380 by which you can use transit services 763 00:33:34,380 --> 00:33:36,700 to get from point A to point B. 764 00:33:36,700 --> 00:33:41,060 - The reason I ask that is as with any number 765 00:33:41,060 --> 00:33:44,580 of route planning apps that we all use, 766 00:33:44,580 --> 00:33:47,180 if the options are presented with the times 767 00:33:47,180 --> 00:33:50,420 and number of contacts, doesn't that provide incentive enough 768 00:33:50,420 --> 00:33:53,500 for the rider to go, oh, I want to go 769 00:33:53,500 --> 00:33:54,420 in the least amount of time 770 00:33:54,420 --> 00:33:57,300 or I want the one with the least changes. 771 00:33:57,300 --> 00:33:59,860 - Potentially, and I think that that sort of feedback 772 00:33:59,860 --> 00:34:03,300 is going to be really good for the public involvement process 773 00:34:03,300 --> 00:34:05,900 that we'll have over the course of the next 90 days. 774 00:34:05,900 --> 00:34:07,620 And so beginning about in April, 775 00:34:07,620 --> 00:34:09,180 again, our board will be briefed on this tomorrow, 776 00:34:09,180 --> 00:34:10,540 but there'll be a public comment period 777 00:34:10,540 --> 00:34:12,980 where people can provide that sort of feedback 778 00:34:12,980 --> 00:34:15,980 that could inform the way that these things get rolled out. 779 00:34:17,020 --> 00:34:17,860 Yes, ma'am. 780 00:34:17,860 --> 00:34:24,060 - Does that feedback also include comments from employees? 781 00:34:24,060 --> 00:34:28,220 - It is going to be an open public comment period 782 00:34:28,220 --> 00:34:32,460 that anyone will be able to provide input for, 783 00:34:32,460 --> 00:34:35,900 and when those channels are opened up, 784 00:34:35,900 --> 00:34:38,020 we're going to do our best effort 785 00:34:38,020 --> 00:34:40,860 to disseminate the channels for that far and wide 786 00:34:40,860 --> 00:34:43,820 so that everybody who's interested can make such comments. 787 00:34:46,740 --> 00:34:47,580 - Okay. 788 00:34:47,580 --> 00:34:52,540 So here's sort of a couple of bullets 789 00:34:52,540 --> 00:34:53,820 on where we've been and where we're going. 790 00:34:53,820 --> 00:34:56,820 It was in the December 2021 board meeting 791 00:34:56,820 --> 00:34:59,580 that we had the discussion about a COA 792 00:34:59,580 --> 00:35:02,340 that would be presented in the June 2022 meeting 793 00:35:02,340 --> 00:35:04,260 here in a few months to talk about 794 00:35:04,260 --> 00:35:06,340 the evolution of the service. 795 00:35:06,340 --> 00:35:10,620 We have on our team consultant experts from Accenture 796 00:35:10,620 --> 00:35:13,860 as well as VIA, who is the on-demand transportation provider 797 00:35:13,860 --> 00:35:18,060 for the GoZone project who are working 798 00:35:18,060 --> 00:35:20,580 to develop those alternatives. 799 00:35:20,580 --> 00:35:22,020 And we will have, like I said, 800 00:35:22,020 --> 00:35:24,260 a touch point with our board this month 801 00:35:24,260 --> 00:35:26,060 at tomorrow's board meeting to talk about 802 00:35:26,060 --> 00:35:27,740 how those things are being developed, 803 00:35:27,740 --> 00:35:30,020 then again in April and then again in May 804 00:35:30,020 --> 00:35:32,700 prior to the board making a decision in June, 805 00:35:32,700 --> 00:35:35,980 and obviously we will continue to use this forum 806 00:35:35,980 --> 00:35:38,020 as appropriate to provide updates 807 00:35:38,020 --> 00:35:39,740 on how that project progresses. 808 00:35:39,740 --> 00:35:43,220 In terms of the fare structure analysis 809 00:35:43,220 --> 00:35:45,500 and sort of the conversation that's being had, 810 00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:47,300 these are the things that we know. 811 00:35:47,300 --> 00:35:52,300 The initial GoZone program had a promotional price 812 00:35:52,300 --> 00:35:55,900 of 75 cents a ride, and then like I said before 813 00:35:55,900 --> 00:35:58,180 at the outset, the fare structure that we're considering 814 00:35:58,180 --> 00:36:02,340 will start there to determine what's the right way 815 00:36:02,340 --> 00:36:07,020 to engage riders to use the most efficient sort of trip 816 00:36:07,020 --> 00:36:08,740 to get where they're trying to go. 817 00:36:08,740 --> 00:36:11,100 We're in the process of that fare structure analysis now 818 00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:13,420 on tomorrow's conversation with the board 819 00:36:13,420 --> 00:36:18,420 will be more around what are the limits or boundaries 820 00:36:18,420 --> 00:36:21,300 of what that fare structure could be. 821 00:36:21,300 --> 00:36:24,460 - If I may, I don't know how tuned in 822 00:36:24,460 --> 00:36:25,860 you might've been to this process. 823 00:36:25,860 --> 00:36:28,660 I'm not quite sure when you joined the organization 824 00:36:28,660 --> 00:36:32,140 or whatever, but this body drafted a resolution 825 00:36:32,140 --> 00:36:33,660 that was then approved by council 826 00:36:33,660 --> 00:36:37,220 and was meant to be instruction to our representative 827 00:36:37,220 --> 00:36:39,220 at the time who wasn't that interested in representing us. 828 00:36:39,220 --> 00:36:42,660 But one of the things that was in our resolution 829 00:36:42,660 --> 00:36:47,020 was a request that we, that the idea 830 00:36:47,020 --> 00:36:50,060 of a fare free system be evaluated. 831 00:36:50,060 --> 00:36:51,460 So if you're evaluating fares. 832 00:36:51,460 --> 00:36:55,300 Now, I think at the outset, a person might say, 833 00:36:55,300 --> 00:36:57,620 well, that's completely crazy. 834 00:36:57,620 --> 00:37:01,420 But let me just say a little bit 835 00:37:01,420 --> 00:37:03,900 about why that's not necessarily the case. 836 00:37:05,380 --> 00:37:10,060 At the time, we were told that the fare contribution 837 00:37:10,060 --> 00:37:13,380 to total DCTA revenue is I believe less than half a percent. 838 00:37:13,380 --> 00:37:14,740 So essentially a rounding error. 839 00:37:14,740 --> 00:37:19,180 Your revenues are assured because they come from sales tax. 840 00:37:19,180 --> 00:37:23,060 It's nothing to do with whether you're efficient or not. 841 00:37:23,060 --> 00:37:24,500 The revenue comes in. 842 00:37:24,500 --> 00:37:25,340 - Right. 843 00:37:25,340 --> 00:37:29,940 - I'll offer you a little bit of a model. 844 00:37:29,940 --> 00:37:32,260 We've got the Thinline Festival is starting this weekend 845 00:37:32,260 --> 00:37:36,660 and then you've been a sponsor of it in the past and where 846 00:37:36,660 --> 00:37:42,980 that used to be a paper drink deal, an $8 thing. 847 00:37:42,980 --> 00:37:46,500 And I was on the board when the decision was made 848 00:37:46,500 --> 00:37:48,780 and I thought it seemed crazy at first 849 00:37:48,780 --> 00:37:51,140 to make it a free festival, but it's a game changer. 850 00:37:51,140 --> 00:37:52,140 It's just a different model. 851 00:37:52,140 --> 00:37:54,380 It doesn't mean you don't have revenues. 852 00:37:54,380 --> 00:37:58,020 It means it changes the model. 853 00:37:58,020 --> 00:38:00,660 Now in that case, the model is greater advertising revenue 854 00:38:00,660 --> 00:38:02,020 because more people will come to something 855 00:38:02,020 --> 00:38:03,060 that are free. 856 00:38:03,060 --> 00:38:08,060 For public transit, it takes away the friction 857 00:38:08,060 --> 00:38:11,860 so that instead of just providing service carefully 858 00:38:11,860 --> 00:38:15,860 to the small number of people who are dependent on transit, 859 00:38:15,860 --> 00:38:17,900 it takes away the psychological barrier. 860 00:38:17,900 --> 00:38:20,860 Free is a very powerful thing so that even people 861 00:38:20,860 --> 00:38:23,820 like the people in this room might go, 862 00:38:23,820 --> 00:38:24,700 I know I can get on. 863 00:38:24,700 --> 00:38:25,540 There's no friction. 864 00:38:25,540 --> 00:38:28,020 I don't have to know how it works. 865 00:38:28,020 --> 00:38:30,380 You know, it's something I can do. 866 00:38:31,700 --> 00:38:36,540 So that's why I think it's at least worth thinking about 867 00:38:36,540 --> 00:38:39,940 how would you configure the product 868 00:38:39,940 --> 00:38:45,100 to mitigate against whatever risks you think come with free. 869 00:38:45,100 --> 00:38:47,940 Like you have to get out at the end of a ride. 870 00:38:47,940 --> 00:38:49,620 Maybe there's a definition of what a ride is. 871 00:38:49,620 --> 00:38:50,860 It's unidirectional. 872 00:38:50,860 --> 00:38:56,420 But if you wanna meet the real goal of public transit 873 00:38:56,420 --> 00:38:59,260 of taking cars off the road and improving air quality, 874 00:38:59,260 --> 00:39:02,180 and really having transit be part of our, 875 00:39:02,180 --> 00:39:05,260 you know, much bigger part of how our community works, 876 00:39:05,260 --> 00:39:07,980 could that be evaluated? 877 00:39:07,980 --> 00:39:11,260 It's a long way to get to the end of that question. 878 00:39:11,260 --> 00:39:14,580 - I'm gonna jump in as your representative 879 00:39:14,580 --> 00:39:16,540 on the DCTA board. 880 00:39:16,540 --> 00:39:19,540 I'm well aware of that resolution, which I hope to draft. 881 00:39:19,540 --> 00:39:22,780 And this is something that I insisted on 882 00:39:22,780 --> 00:39:26,900 at our last board meeting that as one of the options 883 00:39:26,900 --> 00:39:31,580 that we consider when we discuss fare pricing options, 884 00:39:31,580 --> 00:39:34,700 I wanna see an analysis of eliminating fares, 885 00:39:34,700 --> 00:39:37,660 but I'll let Paul elaborate on that. 886 00:39:37,660 --> 00:39:40,460 - Wait, one more little, oh sorry, sorry, please go ahead. 887 00:39:40,460 --> 00:39:45,460 - And besides, people that make a lot of money 888 00:39:45,460 --> 00:39:48,780 and have a lot of money, that can afford a lot of things, 889 00:39:48,780 --> 00:39:50,540 they like free. 890 00:39:50,540 --> 00:39:54,100 So, and they probably appreciate free 891 00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:57,060 more than someone that doesn't have as much. 892 00:39:57,060 --> 00:40:00,220 So, if we're talking about taking cars off the road 893 00:40:00,220 --> 00:40:05,220 and having them to come to the city for nice free things, 894 00:40:05,220 --> 00:40:10,500 you know, this additional opportunity to do that 895 00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:15,500 and satisfy all of that, that's why I voted for it, yes. 896 00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:16,540 Thank you. 897 00:40:16,540 --> 00:40:20,180 - Just one little, before you respond to this onslaught 898 00:40:20,180 --> 00:40:22,860 of demand for free things, 899 00:40:24,620 --> 00:40:29,620 is there funding that comes to DCTA, 900 00:40:29,620 --> 00:40:31,780 federal sources I'm imagining, 901 00:40:31,780 --> 00:40:34,100 that's attached to ridership? 902 00:40:34,100 --> 00:40:36,300 That's a genuine question, I don't know the answer, 903 00:40:36,300 --> 00:40:40,140 but is there a funding benefit to increasing ridership? 904 00:40:40,140 --> 00:40:43,900 - I'm not prepared to speak on those details here today, 905 00:40:43,900 --> 00:40:47,380 but certainly as we get ready for our conversation tomorrow, 906 00:40:47,380 --> 00:40:50,540 we can talk about those sorts of things 907 00:40:50,540 --> 00:40:51,740 and we can come back to this forum 908 00:40:51,740 --> 00:40:52,940 with more details on that. 909 00:40:52,940 --> 00:40:56,900 Obviously, the mission of DCTA is to enhance ridership, 910 00:40:56,900 --> 00:40:58,220 that's the reason that we're here. 911 00:40:58,220 --> 00:41:01,580 We want as many people to use public transit as possible 912 00:41:01,580 --> 00:41:03,940 for all the good reasons that you just laid out. 913 00:41:03,940 --> 00:41:06,940 And so, if that's an interest of this body, 914 00:41:06,940 --> 00:41:11,020 then we can talk more about that in our board meetings 915 00:41:11,020 --> 00:41:11,900 and then here as well. 916 00:41:11,900 --> 00:41:14,060 - Well, I hope, you know, if there is a funding angle 917 00:41:14,060 --> 00:41:16,660 that can, you know, help in the analysis. 918 00:41:16,660 --> 00:41:18,060 - Yes, understood. 919 00:41:18,060 --> 00:41:19,500 - Okay, thanks for that. 920 00:41:19,500 --> 00:41:22,340 - So obviously, FTA wants to see ridership increase 921 00:41:22,340 --> 00:41:24,420 across transportation agencies also. 922 00:41:24,420 --> 00:41:25,660 - There you go. 923 00:41:25,660 --> 00:41:27,460 - I think that's the answer. 924 00:41:27,460 --> 00:41:29,820 Okay, so to answer the question about, 925 00:41:29,820 --> 00:41:32,540 is free going to be considered in the process? 926 00:41:32,540 --> 00:41:34,540 The answer is yes. 927 00:41:34,540 --> 00:41:38,140 We heard that feedback from our board in our last meeting 928 00:41:38,140 --> 00:41:40,580 that we would need to evaluate 929 00:41:40,580 --> 00:41:44,940 or they would like us to evaluate a no fare option 930 00:41:44,940 --> 00:41:47,300 or a no fare alternative on the Connect service. 931 00:41:47,300 --> 00:41:49,660 And so, we will be talking about that 932 00:41:49,660 --> 00:41:51,100 here in the next few months 933 00:41:51,100 --> 00:41:54,180 as we lay out this comprehensive operations analysis. 934 00:41:54,180 --> 00:41:56,460 We've started with the GoZone fare pricing 935 00:41:56,460 --> 00:41:58,260 and then next month, we'll be bringing, 936 00:41:58,260 --> 00:42:00,500 layering in GoZone and fixed route 937 00:42:00,500 --> 00:42:02,660 and that's where you'll begin to hear about 938 00:42:02,660 --> 00:42:04,580 no fare alternatives on Connect. 939 00:42:04,580 --> 00:42:10,060 - To clarify, I meant fixed routes broadly, 940 00:42:10,060 --> 00:42:11,140 including the A train. 941 00:42:11,140 --> 00:42:12,500 - Okay, very good. 942 00:42:12,500 --> 00:42:19,860 - You know, if I can strain your patience a little. 943 00:42:21,340 --> 00:42:23,940 Is there a conceptual reason 944 00:42:23,940 --> 00:42:27,660 in maybe how the compensation works, the contract works, 945 00:42:27,660 --> 00:42:30,620 why the same logic wouldn't apply to GoZone? 946 00:42:30,620 --> 00:42:34,660 Why would you say we'll look at fare-free for Connect, 947 00:42:34,660 --> 00:42:35,820 but not for GoZone? 948 00:42:35,820 --> 00:42:39,180 - I expect that could come out in our conversation 949 00:42:39,180 --> 00:42:43,260 with the board tomorrow about that idea. 950 00:42:43,260 --> 00:42:45,420 I don't know that we've gotten very far into that idea 951 00:42:45,420 --> 00:42:47,220 with our board up to this point. 952 00:42:47,220 --> 00:42:50,820 And so, it's definitely a good conversation 953 00:42:50,820 --> 00:42:52,620 for us to have as we go through this process. 954 00:42:52,620 --> 00:42:55,420 So, we'd like to maybe layer that 955 00:42:55,420 --> 00:42:57,460 into our conversation tomorrow. 956 00:42:57,460 --> 00:43:00,180 - Thanks for letting us keep you at slide six 957 00:43:00,180 --> 00:43:02,140 for 10 minutes. 958 00:43:02,140 --> 00:43:04,700 - There's only a couple more, so we're doing great. 959 00:43:04,700 --> 00:43:08,820 So, this is just a snapshot of, 960 00:43:08,820 --> 00:43:11,500 when we talk about potential pricing structures, 961 00:43:11,500 --> 00:43:14,140 the concept is that there are, 962 00:43:14,140 --> 00:43:18,100 and again, conceptual discussion only, 963 00:43:18,100 --> 00:43:22,020 there are fixed pricing models 964 00:43:22,020 --> 00:43:24,660 that no matter how far you go, this is what the fare is. 965 00:43:24,660 --> 00:43:26,860 There are variable cost models 966 00:43:26,860 --> 00:43:28,500 that kind of like an Uber that says, 967 00:43:28,500 --> 00:43:30,060 when you go this far, it's this much money. 968 00:43:30,060 --> 00:43:31,860 If you go a little bit farther, it's this much money. 969 00:43:31,860 --> 00:43:34,540 And then there's a hybrid fare sort of model 970 00:43:34,540 --> 00:43:37,100 that says the first several miles, 971 00:43:37,100 --> 00:43:39,820 whatever that might be, are a fixed cost, 972 00:43:39,820 --> 00:43:41,940 and then beyond that is a variable cost. 973 00:43:41,940 --> 00:43:43,940 And that's really what we're talking about 974 00:43:43,940 --> 00:43:46,540 when we talk about the idea of trying to entice riders 975 00:43:46,540 --> 00:43:48,580 to use fixed routes when it's possible, 976 00:43:48,580 --> 00:43:49,940 if that's the most efficient way for them 977 00:43:49,940 --> 00:43:50,980 to make their trip. 978 00:43:50,980 --> 00:43:56,900 And so here's a snapshot of the multimodal app 979 00:43:56,900 --> 00:43:59,420 that's being developed right now. 980 00:43:59,420 --> 00:44:01,380 It would be like you see there, 981 00:44:01,380 --> 00:44:03,180 a place where proposals of different, 982 00:44:03,180 --> 00:44:06,980 multiple legs of a single journey can be evaluated, 983 00:44:06,980 --> 00:44:08,700 and then the rider get to decide 984 00:44:08,700 --> 00:44:10,700 what is the best route for them. 985 00:44:10,700 --> 00:44:13,180 And again, we'll go into more conversation on this 986 00:44:13,180 --> 00:44:14,500 in our board meeting tomorrow, 987 00:44:14,500 --> 00:44:17,420 otherwise we'll have the folks from VIA on hand with us 988 00:44:17,420 --> 00:44:19,700 to talk through that. 989 00:44:19,700 --> 00:44:21,460 - I'm embarrassed that I don't already know this, 990 00:44:21,460 --> 00:44:24,140 but are we talking about an update 991 00:44:24,140 --> 00:44:25,220 to the current GoZone app 992 00:44:25,220 --> 00:44:27,260 or a new app that's being designed? 993 00:44:27,260 --> 00:44:29,540 - It's an evolution of the current app. 994 00:44:29,540 --> 00:44:31,020 - Okay, thank you. 995 00:44:31,020 --> 00:44:35,140 - Yeah, I would just, I'm not to be too repetitive, 996 00:44:35,140 --> 00:44:39,700 but do you use Google Maps or anything like that for yourself? 997 00:44:39,700 --> 00:44:41,620 - Yes, sir, I do use Waze, Google Maps. 998 00:44:41,620 --> 00:44:44,380 - So, I mean, you don't need a price incentive 999 00:44:44,380 --> 00:44:46,700 to figure out that you want to do the thing 1000 00:44:46,700 --> 00:44:47,740 that's most efficient for you. 1001 00:44:47,740 --> 00:44:49,020 - Correct. - Yeah, okay. 1002 00:44:49,020 --> 00:44:53,620 - Okay, if no other questions, 1003 00:44:53,620 --> 00:44:55,500 I'm happy to turn it over to Brittany 1004 00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:58,020 to talk about the modifications from March. 1005 00:44:58,020 --> 00:45:01,700 Thank you very much, it's very good to meet you, 1006 00:45:01,700 --> 00:45:02,740 look forward to working with you. 1007 00:45:02,740 --> 00:45:04,540 - Of course, thank you. 1008 00:45:04,540 --> 00:45:09,060 - You'll notice I let Paul take the hard stuff, so. 1009 00:45:10,020 --> 00:45:13,380 The kid, so I'm here to go over the changes 1010 00:45:13,380 --> 00:45:15,260 that went into effect with the March service change 1011 00:45:15,260 --> 00:45:17,500 that was instituted on March 14th. 1012 00:45:17,500 --> 00:45:19,580 I know Mr. Suarez was here earlier this year 1013 00:45:19,580 --> 00:45:22,620 to present these changes that were proposed 1014 00:45:22,620 --> 00:45:25,300 and approved at the December 2nd board meeting. 1015 00:45:25,300 --> 00:45:26,980 I'll start by giving you an overlay 1016 00:45:26,980 --> 00:45:30,220 with the blue being what the new routes look like, 1017 00:45:30,220 --> 00:45:34,540 overlaid with the gray that was the previous service. 1018 00:45:34,540 --> 00:45:36,020 And then I want to show you this next slide 1019 00:45:36,020 --> 00:45:38,540 that also lays in the UNT shuttles. 1020 00:45:38,540 --> 00:45:41,380 So you can see even though some of the service 1021 00:45:41,380 --> 00:45:44,620 was appeared to be cut in the southern portion 1022 00:45:44,620 --> 00:45:47,100 that is covered by and large by the UNT shuttles, 1023 00:45:47,100 --> 00:45:48,900 which are also open to the public 1024 00:45:48,900 --> 00:45:52,620 and an opportunity for them to ride fixed route as well. 1025 00:45:52,620 --> 00:45:54,900 Before I start going into the individual changes, 1026 00:45:54,900 --> 00:45:57,340 there's just a couple of points that I want to make 1027 00:45:57,340 --> 00:45:59,860 as far as trends that you'll see 1028 00:45:59,860 --> 00:46:02,740 with the changes that we've made to the fixed route. 1029 00:46:02,740 --> 00:46:04,940 I know Mr. Suarez has talked to you before 1030 00:46:04,940 --> 00:46:07,140 about the importance of both frequency 1031 00:46:07,140 --> 00:46:09,980 and on-time performance in building ridership. 1032 00:46:09,980 --> 00:46:12,180 People won't take the bus if it doesn't show up often 1033 00:46:12,180 --> 00:46:14,180 and if it doesn't show up on time. 1034 00:46:14,180 --> 00:46:17,140 So all of the changes that were put in 1035 00:46:17,140 --> 00:46:20,500 to the March service changes were done with this in mind. 1036 00:46:20,500 --> 00:46:23,460 How do we take our resources and maximize them 1037 00:46:23,460 --> 00:46:24,860 on the segments of ridership 1038 00:46:24,860 --> 00:46:27,020 that have the highest level of ridership 1039 00:46:27,020 --> 00:46:29,220 so we can get the bus there more often 1040 00:46:29,220 --> 00:46:32,060 and we can get the bus there more on time? 1041 00:46:32,060 --> 00:46:34,780 Another point that I want to make is that these changes 1042 00:46:34,780 --> 00:46:38,580 were meant to be temporary as we work through the process 1043 00:46:38,580 --> 00:46:40,940 that Mr. Christina just went over. 1044 00:46:40,940 --> 00:46:43,660 As we look at GOZONE and the A-Train 1045 00:46:43,660 --> 00:46:45,580 and the Connect service and the shuttles 1046 00:46:45,580 --> 00:46:46,900 all working together to create 1047 00:46:46,900 --> 00:46:49,580 a more integrated multimodal system. 1048 00:46:49,580 --> 00:46:52,620 So these will be on all likelihood changing 1049 00:46:52,620 --> 00:46:54,340 with whatever the final service plan 1050 00:46:54,340 --> 00:46:56,520 the board approves later this summer. 1051 00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,260 - Pardon me. - Yes, sir. 1052 00:46:59,260 --> 00:47:01,460 - Just so I understand, they're temporary 1053 00:47:01,460 --> 00:47:04,100 in order to meet what temporary objective, 1054 00:47:04,100 --> 00:47:05,620 what are you solving for? 1055 00:47:05,620 --> 00:47:07,580 - Well, three things really. 1056 00:47:07,580 --> 00:47:11,540 Increasing on time performance, increasing frequency 1057 00:47:11,540 --> 00:47:14,260 and then also working within the confines 1058 00:47:14,260 --> 00:47:17,460 of the operational shortages that we have right now. 1059 00:47:17,460 --> 00:47:19,020 Like DART, like Trinity Metro. 1060 00:47:19,020 --> 00:47:20,620 Yeah, yeah, that's exactly right. 1061 00:47:20,620 --> 00:47:22,220 Like many, like the school districts, 1062 00:47:22,220 --> 00:47:24,260 like many across the country, 1063 00:47:24,260 --> 00:47:26,100 we are seeing a shortage in operators. 1064 00:47:26,100 --> 00:47:28,040 And so not being able to make those runs, 1065 00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,500 not being able to put out reliable service 1066 00:47:30,500 --> 00:47:32,060 is one of the driving factors 1067 00:47:32,060 --> 00:47:34,340 for modifying these services 1068 00:47:34,340 --> 00:47:36,820 to be able to ensure that we're meeting the demands 1069 00:47:36,820 --> 00:47:38,500 of the highest ridership portions 1070 00:47:38,500 --> 00:47:40,460 and we're getting those buses there on time 1071 00:47:40,460 --> 00:47:41,700 and as frequently as possible. 1072 00:47:41,700 --> 00:47:45,380 - So if circumstances change or the offering changed 1073 00:47:45,380 --> 00:47:47,620 and you're able to recruit, you know, 1074 00:47:47,620 --> 00:47:50,980 if there's a shift and you're able to recruit more operators, 1075 00:47:50,980 --> 00:47:53,380 is the thought that you might, you know, 1076 00:47:53,380 --> 00:47:54,820 re-flesh out the roots? 1077 00:47:54,820 --> 00:47:56,100 - That's certainly a consideration 1078 00:47:56,100 --> 00:47:57,300 I think the board would look into 1079 00:47:57,300 --> 00:48:00,100 when making those service decisions later this summer. 1080 00:48:00,100 --> 00:48:02,300 And this is a plug, if anyone knows any operators, 1081 00:48:02,300 --> 00:48:05,140 please send them to ride dcta.net, so. 1082 00:48:05,140 --> 00:48:09,500 - Do we pay as much as the alternate services 1083 00:48:09,500 --> 00:48:11,700 that an operator might work for? 1084 00:48:11,700 --> 00:48:13,620 - You know, sir, I don't know the answer to that question. 1085 00:48:13,620 --> 00:48:15,300 I can certainly get with our HR department 1086 00:48:15,300 --> 00:48:17,220 and find out where our starting pay measures 1087 00:48:17,220 --> 00:48:20,980 with both public providers as well as private providers, 1088 00:48:20,980 --> 00:48:24,020 which is really one of the industries 1089 00:48:24,020 --> 00:48:26,420 that is siphoning off as more and more of us 1090 00:48:26,420 --> 00:48:27,820 order from Amazon Prime 1091 00:48:27,820 --> 00:48:30,460 and we expect those boxes to be there the next day. 1092 00:48:30,460 --> 00:48:31,620 Those are the kinds of service, 1093 00:48:31,620 --> 00:48:34,540 the CDLs that we're competing with, so. 1094 00:48:34,540 --> 00:48:35,860 But I can certainly look into that 1095 00:48:35,860 --> 00:48:37,420 and we will be prepared to speak to that 1096 00:48:37,420 --> 00:48:39,580 at our next presentation at this committee. 1097 00:48:39,580 --> 00:48:45,580 So with that, this is the new Connect route. 1098 00:48:45,580 --> 00:48:47,860 You'll remember at the end of December, 1099 00:48:47,860 --> 00:48:49,820 Denton Connect route one was suspended 1100 00:48:49,820 --> 00:48:53,300 along with the two routes in Lewisville 21 and 22. 1101 00:48:53,300 --> 00:48:56,060 Another consistent theme across the scheduling 1102 00:48:56,060 --> 00:48:58,460 is that the routes tend to start a little bit later 1103 00:48:58,460 --> 00:49:00,220 and end a little bit sooner. 1104 00:49:00,220 --> 00:49:02,820 And that's capturing the changing shift 1105 00:49:02,820 --> 00:49:04,660 in ridership patterns that we're seeing 1106 00:49:04,660 --> 00:49:06,940 as a result of COVID-19. 1107 00:49:06,940 --> 00:49:10,100 As more folks work from home or have a hybrid schedule, 1108 00:49:10,100 --> 00:49:12,580 they're not having those normal rush hour periods. 1109 00:49:12,580 --> 00:49:15,860 We're actually seeing more travel throughout the midday 1110 00:49:15,860 --> 00:49:17,900 as folks utilize the fixed route, 1111 00:49:17,900 --> 00:49:19,340 the GO zone and the A train 1112 00:49:19,340 --> 00:49:21,860 to accomplish more midday tasks. 1113 00:49:21,860 --> 00:49:25,180 So we've shifted our schedule to accommodate that. 1114 00:49:27,060 --> 00:49:29,940 Oh, it went backwards. 1115 00:49:29,940 --> 00:49:32,180 My millennial skills are failing me. 1116 00:49:32,180 --> 00:49:37,860 So here's the revisions to Denton Connect route two. 1117 00:49:37,860 --> 00:49:39,260 By shortening this route 1118 00:49:39,260 --> 00:49:41,380 and taking out the loop component of it, 1119 00:49:41,380 --> 00:49:44,260 we've been able to increase the frequency of the bus 1120 00:49:44,260 --> 00:49:47,940 from running once every 60 minutes to once every 42 minutes. 1121 00:49:47,940 --> 00:49:49,900 So an 18 minute improvement. 1122 00:49:49,900 --> 00:49:52,940 That's also allowed us to increase the number of routes 1123 00:49:52,940 --> 00:49:54,300 that we can run during the day 1124 00:49:54,300 --> 00:49:56,340 from 13 round trips to 15. 1125 00:49:56,340 --> 00:49:59,780 I'm gonna go through these kind of quickly 1126 00:49:59,780 --> 00:50:00,740 since they've already been presented. 1127 00:50:00,740 --> 00:50:03,060 But if you have any questions, please stop me. 1128 00:50:03,060 --> 00:50:06,660 So this is route three. 1129 00:50:06,660 --> 00:50:09,340 This one we've been able to improve the frequency on that 1130 00:50:09,340 --> 00:50:11,500 from every 46 to 51 minutes, 1131 00:50:11,500 --> 00:50:13,100 depending on the time of day 1132 00:50:13,100 --> 00:50:16,580 to consistently running it every 40 minutes. 1133 00:50:16,580 --> 00:50:19,260 This has been able to increase the number of round trips 1134 00:50:19,260 --> 00:50:21,340 from 14 to 17. 1135 00:50:21,340 --> 00:50:25,940 And we've also made some modifications to now serve stops 1136 00:50:25,940 --> 00:50:28,340 at both Serve Denton and Denton County Health. 1137 00:50:28,340 --> 00:50:35,100 So route four was trimmed down 1138 00:50:35,100 --> 00:50:37,220 and now has an improved frequency 1139 00:50:37,220 --> 00:50:40,500 from every 56 minutes to every 40 minutes. 1140 00:50:40,500 --> 00:50:43,180 And to make up for that cutoff portion there, 1141 00:50:43,180 --> 00:50:48,180 we've also put in a new Denton Connect route five. 1142 00:50:48,180 --> 00:50:50,060 This is a new circular route 1143 00:50:50,060 --> 00:50:52,980 and it has a frequency of every 30 minutes 1144 00:50:52,980 --> 00:50:55,060 and makes 22 round trips every day. 1145 00:50:55,060 --> 00:51:02,100 Route six, we've increased the frequency 1146 00:51:02,100 --> 00:51:04,860 from 50 minutes to 33 minutes. 1147 00:51:04,860 --> 00:51:07,060 So significant improvements on the frequency there. 1148 00:51:07,060 --> 00:51:10,460 And that has allowed us to run this route round trip 1149 00:51:10,460 --> 00:51:13,580 from 13 trips a day up now to 20 routes a day. 1150 00:51:13,580 --> 00:51:18,980 And then finally revised route seven. 1151 00:51:18,980 --> 00:51:22,420 This one has a variable time depending on peak period. 1152 00:51:22,420 --> 00:51:25,980 So it was running every 30 minutes to every 68 minutes, 1153 00:51:25,980 --> 00:51:28,060 depending on the time of day. 1154 00:51:28,060 --> 00:51:29,980 Now it runs every 27 minutes 1155 00:51:29,980 --> 00:51:31,420 and then the last shift of the day 1156 00:51:31,420 --> 00:51:33,020 between seven and eight o'clock, 1157 00:51:33,020 --> 00:51:34,420 it runs at an hour frequency. 1158 00:51:34,420 --> 00:51:36,700 So significant frequency improvements 1159 00:51:36,700 --> 00:51:39,540 during that midday and early peak period. 1160 00:51:39,540 --> 00:51:42,060 We've also been able to increase the number of round trips 1161 00:51:42,060 --> 00:51:44,700 on this route from 22 a day to 24 a day. 1162 00:51:44,700 --> 00:51:46,540 Yes, ma'am. 1163 00:51:48,980 --> 00:51:51,220 (mumbling) 1164 00:51:51,220 --> 00:51:54,420 Okay. 1165 00:51:54,420 --> 00:52:00,260 - I apologize if this sounds really just 1166 00:52:00,260 --> 00:52:03,300 kindergarten level question. 1167 00:52:03,300 --> 00:52:06,060 For a route like this and for the amount of time 1168 00:52:06,060 --> 00:52:09,180 that you're saying that it's gonna take to get that route, 1169 00:52:09,180 --> 00:52:11,020 are there, how many vehicles are on the, 1170 00:52:11,020 --> 00:52:12,100 that's handling this route? 1171 00:52:12,100 --> 00:52:15,060 Is this one vehicle that's just going around and around? 1172 00:52:15,060 --> 00:52:16,580 Are there a couple of vehicles? 1173 00:52:16,580 --> 00:52:18,660 - I'm not sure how many vehicles are dedicated 1174 00:52:18,660 --> 00:52:20,740 to each route, but I can certainly take that back 1175 00:52:20,740 --> 00:52:23,180 and I can figure that out from our operations folks 1176 00:52:23,180 --> 00:52:25,020 and get back to you how many vehicles we run 1177 00:52:25,020 --> 00:52:26,300 on each route each day. 1178 00:52:26,300 --> 00:52:29,380 - 'Cause I'm just hearing varying times, 1179 00:52:29,380 --> 00:52:32,860 take 18 minutes or 30 minutes to go this route. 1180 00:52:32,860 --> 00:52:36,380 That's, it just sounds almost kind of impossible 1181 00:52:36,380 --> 00:52:41,380 for one vehicle to do all of that, so I appreciate that. 1182 00:52:41,380 --> 00:52:42,900 - Yeah, I'll look into it. 1183 00:52:42,900 --> 00:52:44,660 Depending on the route, it may have different vehicles 1184 00:52:44,660 --> 00:52:46,980 on different routes, but that's a very good question. 1185 00:52:46,980 --> 00:52:48,340 I'll find out and we'll definitely get back 1186 00:52:48,340 --> 00:52:52,020 to your office, yeah, I agree. 1187 00:52:52,020 --> 00:52:53,220 - Do you have an office? 1188 00:52:53,220 --> 00:52:54,580 - I do, I have an office. 1189 00:52:54,580 --> 00:52:56,100 (laughs) 1190 00:52:56,100 --> 00:52:58,980 - Or carrier pigeon, whatever motive, whatever, yeah. 1191 00:52:58,980 --> 00:53:00,100 I'll get the same. 1192 00:53:00,100 --> 00:53:04,460 And so now, oh, yes sir. 1193 00:53:04,460 --> 00:53:05,740 - Yeah, before we get off this topic. 1194 00:53:05,740 --> 00:53:06,580 - Sure. 1195 00:53:06,580 --> 00:53:09,700 - So how were these changes communicated 1196 00:53:09,700 --> 00:53:12,700 to the drivers and to the general public? 1197 00:53:12,700 --> 00:53:14,540 - So we have a variety of methods that we use 1198 00:53:14,540 --> 00:53:17,260 to communicate to the general public. 1199 00:53:17,260 --> 00:53:21,500 We did a lot of stuff on our website, social media, 1200 00:53:21,500 --> 00:53:24,020 but we also use traditional methods of public involvement, 1201 00:53:24,020 --> 00:53:26,860 so putting it in the newspaper. 1202 00:53:26,860 --> 00:53:31,540 We've also ordered bags that we have a QR code on them 1203 00:53:31,540 --> 00:53:33,660 that we put on the stops that were closed 1204 00:53:33,660 --> 00:53:35,340 that folks could take, that would take them 1205 00:53:35,340 --> 00:53:37,940 to the trip planner so they would understand. 1206 00:53:37,940 --> 00:53:39,900 But our marketing and communications department 1207 00:53:39,900 --> 00:53:42,620 utilized all of the resources available to us 1208 00:53:42,620 --> 00:53:44,620 to make sure that, most importantly, 1209 00:53:44,620 --> 00:53:47,220 our traveling public knows of these changes. 1210 00:53:47,220 --> 00:53:49,980 And then the changes to the routes communicated 1211 00:53:49,980 --> 00:53:52,980 to the operators were done through our partners at NTMC 1212 00:53:52,980 --> 00:53:55,060 and the close communication that we have 1213 00:53:55,060 --> 00:53:59,380 working with the HTG and NTMC entities. 1214 00:53:59,380 --> 00:54:01,540 - This is sort of anecdotal, 1215 00:54:01,540 --> 00:54:03,740 but from speaking with operators, 1216 00:54:03,740 --> 00:54:06,220 the version that was filtered to me was, 1217 00:54:06,220 --> 00:54:09,860 no idea what's coming, show up one day, 1218 00:54:09,860 --> 00:54:11,700 get the new lefts and rights. 1219 00:54:11,700 --> 00:54:14,700 It sounds like kind of skimpy to me. 1220 00:54:16,340 --> 00:54:18,060 I understand there's an intermediary, 1221 00:54:18,060 --> 00:54:21,180 but I think ultimately we're still responsible 1222 00:54:21,180 --> 00:54:22,860 for quality control. 1223 00:54:22,860 --> 00:54:24,540 I'm just sharing that back to you. 1224 00:54:24,540 --> 00:54:26,220 - Absolutely, and we'll take that feedback back 1225 00:54:26,220 --> 00:54:28,380 and make sure that we do a better job 1226 00:54:28,380 --> 00:54:31,100 of conveying any kind of upcoming changes 1227 00:54:31,100 --> 00:54:33,620 through our channels as well as through NTMC's channels 1228 00:54:33,620 --> 00:54:34,980 with any future changes we have, 1229 00:54:34,980 --> 00:54:36,380 and appreciate that feedback. 1230 00:54:36,380 --> 00:54:40,180 Any other questions on the March service change 1231 00:54:40,180 --> 00:54:42,980 before I move into the fund that was February? 1232 00:54:42,980 --> 00:54:47,980 - I just wanted to address, we were talking about pay, 1233 00:54:47,980 --> 00:54:50,700 and I wanna make sure that David hears that 1234 00:54:50,700 --> 00:54:53,100 as our new representative on the NTMC board. 1235 00:54:53,100 --> 00:54:59,380 Trinity Metro has job postings for brand new trainee 1236 00:54:59,380 --> 00:55:06,900 who does not have a CDL starts at $17 an hour. 1237 00:55:06,900 --> 00:55:11,260 With a CDL, they start at $20 an hour 1238 00:55:11,260 --> 00:55:13,220 and go up to $25 an hour. 1239 00:55:13,220 --> 00:55:18,220 Dart is starting folks with a CDL at $21.13 an hour. 1240 00:55:18,220 --> 00:55:25,700 And NTMC is starting folks, it looks like with a CDL, 1241 00:55:25,700 --> 00:55:32,540 at $14 to $17 an hour. 1242 00:55:32,540 --> 00:55:33,460 - How does that compare? 1243 00:55:33,460 --> 00:55:36,900 - So there's, yeah, somebody who has a CDL 1244 00:55:36,900 --> 00:55:39,420 would have an obvious choice to make. 1245 00:55:39,420 --> 00:55:42,100 So I think if we're gonna address those staffing shortages 1246 00:55:42,100 --> 00:55:45,340 at NTMC, we might need to address that. 1247 00:55:45,340 --> 00:55:47,620 - So if we're serious about having a robust system, 1248 00:55:47,620 --> 00:55:48,980 you need to have operators. 1249 00:55:48,980 --> 00:55:50,300 If you're serious about having operators, 1250 00:55:50,300 --> 00:55:52,500 you've got to offer competitive wages. 1251 00:55:52,500 --> 00:55:56,900 - We'll take that back, thank you, Council Member McGuire. 1252 00:55:56,900 --> 00:56:02,660 So for the increment weather response and next steps, 1253 00:56:02,660 --> 00:56:05,220 I like pictures, not bullets on the slide. 1254 00:56:05,220 --> 00:56:09,540 So I wanna talk you through our response 1255 00:56:09,540 --> 00:56:11,140 to the two winter storms that struck 1256 00:56:11,140 --> 00:56:13,700 the North Texas region in the month of February, 1257 00:56:13,700 --> 00:56:15,180 go over some of our lessons learned 1258 00:56:15,180 --> 00:56:17,260 and then talk you through some of our next steps. 1259 00:56:17,260 --> 00:56:18,900 I apologize, Council Member McGuire, 1260 00:56:18,900 --> 00:56:20,100 it's gonna be almost verbatim 1261 00:56:20,100 --> 00:56:22,460 what I provided the board earlier this month. 1262 00:56:22,460 --> 00:56:26,900 But to begin with, I wanna put a little bit of context 1263 00:56:26,900 --> 00:56:29,340 around how the decision are made 1264 00:56:29,340 --> 00:56:31,660 in these kind of increment weather events. 1265 00:56:32,500 --> 00:56:37,500 When it comes to modifying or suspending any kind of service, 1266 00:56:37,500 --> 00:56:39,580 that's not something that we take lightly. 1267 00:56:39,580 --> 00:56:42,020 We recognize that we are a public service agency 1268 00:56:42,020 --> 00:56:44,420 and that we provide critical lifeline services 1269 00:56:44,420 --> 00:56:46,380 to many of our customers. 1270 00:56:46,380 --> 00:56:48,300 Providing transportation is always one 1271 00:56:48,300 --> 00:56:51,300 of our guiding principles and highest missions. 1272 00:56:51,300 --> 00:56:54,180 When increment weather strikes the North Texas region, 1273 00:56:54,180 --> 00:56:57,340 particularly icy weather like we saw 1274 00:56:57,340 --> 00:57:00,220 through both winter storm Landon and winter storm Oakley, 1275 00:57:00,220 --> 00:57:02,340 safety has to be our highest priority 1276 00:57:02,340 --> 00:57:05,100 and transit agencies across the region 1277 00:57:05,100 --> 00:57:07,100 really have to strike a fine balance 1278 00:57:07,100 --> 00:57:10,380 between providing those critical lifeline services 1279 00:57:10,380 --> 00:57:13,060 and then keeping the safety of our staff, our operators, 1280 00:57:13,060 --> 00:57:15,460 and then our traveling public top of mind. 1281 00:57:15,460 --> 00:57:17,540 So we look at all kinds of things. 1282 00:57:17,540 --> 00:57:20,740 We look at weather conditions, we look at road conditions, 1283 00:57:20,740 --> 00:57:23,300 we look at what our partners across the region are doing, 1284 00:57:23,300 --> 00:57:26,820 what decisions are being made from DART, Trinity Metro, 1285 00:57:26,820 --> 00:57:29,580 other providers, and those are all considerations 1286 00:57:29,580 --> 00:57:32,980 that go into making any kind of service determination, 1287 00:57:32,980 --> 00:57:34,980 augmentation, or suspension. 1288 00:57:34,980 --> 00:57:38,700 So we take that very, very seriously. 1289 00:57:38,700 --> 00:57:40,540 So going into winter storm Landon, 1290 00:57:40,540 --> 00:57:42,580 which did strike the North Texas region 1291 00:57:42,580 --> 00:57:44,980 the first week of February, 1292 00:57:44,980 --> 00:57:49,500 we began that Wednesday meeting regular two-hour periods 1293 00:57:49,500 --> 00:57:51,620 to evaluate the forecast 1294 00:57:51,620 --> 00:57:53,980 and start taking the preliminary steps needed 1295 00:57:53,980 --> 00:57:55,860 to ensure the continuity of service 1296 00:57:55,860 --> 00:57:57,620 when the weather did hit. 1297 00:57:57,620 --> 00:58:00,420 Our contractors, Rio Grande Pacific, 1298 00:58:00,420 --> 00:58:02,460 began that evening by lighting the switch heaters, 1299 00:58:02,460 --> 00:58:04,340 which is the picture of the rail on fire, 1300 00:58:04,340 --> 00:58:06,500 which I think is a very cool picture. 1301 00:58:06,500 --> 00:58:08,660 Those will keep the rail switches from freezing 1302 00:58:08,660 --> 00:58:11,500 and allow us to continue running A-train operations 1303 00:58:11,500 --> 00:58:15,620 during prolonged periods of below freezing temperatures. 1304 00:58:15,620 --> 00:58:17,940 We also had crews out that evening 1305 00:58:17,940 --> 00:58:21,780 laying out biodegradable ice melt at the DCTA stations 1306 00:58:21,780 --> 00:58:25,340 and bus stops and sidewalks and parking lots, 1307 00:58:25,340 --> 00:58:28,340 as well as provided our operators with biodegradable 1308 00:58:28,340 --> 00:58:31,980 ice melt on their vehicles to spot treat as necessary. 1309 00:58:31,980 --> 00:58:33,340 That evening, we did make contact 1310 00:58:33,340 --> 00:58:34,700 with all three of our member cities 1311 00:58:34,700 --> 00:58:36,060 to evaluate their needs 1312 00:58:36,060 --> 00:58:37,980 during the incoming inclement weather. 1313 00:58:37,980 --> 00:58:39,980 We worked closely with the city of Denton 1314 00:58:39,980 --> 00:58:42,620 on their request to provide shuttle services 1315 00:58:42,620 --> 00:58:44,860 to the emergency warming centers 1316 00:58:44,860 --> 00:58:46,780 and shelters at our Daily Bread 1317 00:58:46,780 --> 00:58:48,940 and across the city of Denton. 1318 00:58:48,940 --> 00:58:49,940 For the city of Lewisville, 1319 00:58:49,940 --> 00:58:52,260 we provided a warming bus on standby 1320 00:58:52,260 --> 00:58:53,540 at one of the rail stations 1321 00:58:53,540 --> 00:58:55,820 in case they had any emergency needs 1322 00:58:55,820 --> 00:58:57,780 for warming centers or evacuations 1323 00:58:57,780 --> 00:59:00,260 like they experienced in February of '21. 1324 00:59:00,260 --> 00:59:02,060 And then Highland Village politely declined 1325 00:59:02,060 --> 00:59:03,940 any requests for assistance. 1326 00:59:03,940 --> 00:59:06,540 So moving into Thursday, 1327 00:59:06,540 --> 00:59:09,140 we started meeting regularly at 5 a.m. in the morning 1328 00:59:09,140 --> 00:59:10,900 to evaluate road conditions 1329 00:59:10,900 --> 00:59:13,580 and start making determinations on service. 1330 00:59:13,580 --> 00:59:15,780 Our partners at VIA requested 1331 00:59:15,780 --> 00:59:18,220 that we go ahead and suspend GoZone service. 1332 00:59:18,220 --> 00:59:20,700 And this was done in accordance with similar decisions 1333 00:59:20,700 --> 00:59:23,140 made by VIA-provided service at Trinity Metro 1334 00:59:23,140 --> 00:59:25,260 in the city of Arlington. 1335 00:59:25,260 --> 00:59:27,860 We did decide to continue running the A train 1336 00:59:27,860 --> 00:59:29,020 and the Connect service, 1337 00:59:29,020 --> 00:59:31,180 albeit on a Saturday schedule. 1338 00:59:31,180 --> 00:59:32,820 And then pair transit service 1339 00:59:32,820 --> 00:59:35,900 and the emergency shuttle services ran as normal. 1340 00:59:35,900 --> 00:59:40,260 Moving into Friday, things really got icy. 1341 00:59:40,260 --> 00:59:43,100 Our friends at DART went ahead and made the decision. 1342 00:59:43,100 --> 00:59:45,020 And I worked at DART for nine years 1343 00:59:45,020 --> 00:59:47,740 and never saw it happen to suspend all service 1344 00:59:47,740 --> 00:59:49,820 on both the train and the buses. 1345 00:59:49,820 --> 00:59:51,980 And with that decision, 1346 00:59:51,980 --> 00:59:54,420 that lack of regional connectivity, 1347 00:59:54,420 --> 00:59:56,020 we made the decision to go ahead 1348 00:59:56,020 --> 00:59:58,900 and suspend A train operations. 1349 00:59:58,900 --> 01:00:01,220 We planned on running a limited Connect service, 1350 01:00:01,220 --> 01:00:04,860 but as road conditions deteriorated Friday morning, 1351 01:00:04,860 --> 01:00:07,220 operators had a really hard time getting to work 1352 01:00:07,220 --> 01:00:09,500 and of course, putting their safety first. 1353 01:00:09,500 --> 01:00:11,020 We went ahead and made the decision 1354 01:00:11,020 --> 01:00:14,980 to cancel Connect service and shift those services 1355 01:00:14,980 --> 01:00:17,540 onto providing those critical lifeline services. 1356 01:00:17,540 --> 01:00:19,740 So those operators were deployed 1357 01:00:19,740 --> 01:00:21,540 on the emergency shuttle services 1358 01:00:21,540 --> 01:00:22,980 for the city of Denton 1359 01:00:22,980 --> 01:00:26,140 and then primarily on our paratransit services. 1360 01:00:26,140 --> 01:00:28,060 And on that Friday, 1361 01:00:28,060 --> 01:00:30,700 which was arguably the iciest, most dangerous day, 1362 01:00:30,700 --> 01:00:32,700 the day that DART shut down, 1363 01:00:32,700 --> 01:00:35,500 our operators took nearly two dozen people 1364 01:00:35,500 --> 01:00:37,700 to their dialysis appointments. 1365 01:00:37,700 --> 01:00:39,500 And I know that two dozen people 1366 01:00:39,500 --> 01:00:41,380 for some of the larger agencies 1367 01:00:41,380 --> 01:00:43,180 doesn't sound like a whole lot, 1368 01:00:43,180 --> 01:00:44,780 but to me, that's 22 people 1369 01:00:44,780 --> 01:00:46,180 that could have potentially suffered 1370 01:00:46,180 --> 01:00:49,540 life-threatening ramifications had we not got there. 1371 01:00:49,540 --> 01:00:51,420 And it's a point of pride for me 1372 01:00:51,420 --> 01:00:53,260 that we got those 22 people there 1373 01:00:53,260 --> 01:00:56,540 and I am so proud of our operators and our staff 1374 01:00:56,540 --> 01:00:58,780 for getting those 22 people where they needed to go. 1375 01:00:58,780 --> 01:01:00,940 That's why we get up and come to work every day, 1376 01:01:00,940 --> 01:01:02,460 is to make sure those 22 people 1377 01:01:02,460 --> 01:01:03,900 have the services they need. 1378 01:01:03,900 --> 01:01:07,780 So the shuttles, the UNT shuttles were suspended 1379 01:01:07,780 --> 01:01:09,820 'cause campus was of course closed. 1380 01:01:09,820 --> 01:01:13,740 Via the GoZone service also did not run on Friday. 1381 01:01:13,740 --> 01:01:14,820 Moving into Saturday, 1382 01:01:14,820 --> 01:01:17,500 we had a little bit of break from the ice. 1383 01:01:17,500 --> 01:01:19,660 It was still a hard freeze in the morning, 1384 01:01:19,660 --> 01:01:21,620 which made getting operators to work 1385 01:01:21,620 --> 01:01:23,580 to mark up a little bit difficult. 1386 01:01:23,580 --> 01:01:26,580 But this was GoZone's ability to really step up and shine 1387 01:01:26,580 --> 01:01:28,700 and demonstrate their flexibility. 1388 01:01:28,700 --> 01:01:30,340 As the roads began to thaw, 1389 01:01:30,340 --> 01:01:32,900 as the temperatures did increase throughout the day, 1390 01:01:32,900 --> 01:01:35,020 we were able to launch the GoZone service 1391 01:01:35,020 --> 01:01:37,860 beginning at noon and running until seven o'clock 1392 01:01:37,860 --> 01:01:39,900 when the roads started to refreeze. 1393 01:01:39,900 --> 01:01:42,380 And in that time, we completed nearly 1,100 trips 1394 01:01:42,380 --> 01:01:44,420 on the GoZone service. 1395 01:01:44,420 --> 01:01:45,820 By Sunday, we were back to normal, 1396 01:01:45,820 --> 01:01:47,780 all modes operating regularly 1397 01:01:47,780 --> 01:01:49,820 and we all took a big sigh of relief, 1398 01:01:49,820 --> 01:01:51,340 which lasted for about two weeks 1399 01:01:51,340 --> 01:01:53,380 until winter storm Oakley showed up. 1400 01:01:53,380 --> 01:01:57,020 When that storm struck at the end of February, 1401 01:01:57,020 --> 01:02:00,900 very similar protocols began meeting every two hours, 1402 01:02:00,900 --> 01:02:02,140 reached out to the cities, 1403 01:02:02,140 --> 01:02:04,100 again, got the request from the city of Denton 1404 01:02:04,100 --> 01:02:06,740 to provide the emergency shuttle and warming center, 1405 01:02:06,740 --> 01:02:09,620 which we were able to accommodate. 1406 01:02:09,620 --> 01:02:12,660 As the ice began to fall that Wednesday afternoon, 1407 01:02:12,660 --> 01:02:15,820 UNT made the decision to cancel classes early, 1408 01:02:15,820 --> 01:02:18,660 so we went ahead and suspended the UNT shuttles. 1409 01:02:18,660 --> 01:02:20,740 And then as the roads really started to slick 1410 01:02:20,740 --> 01:02:22,420 as the sun went down, 1411 01:02:22,420 --> 01:02:25,700 we went ahead and suspended the GoZone service at 5 p.m. 1412 01:02:25,700 --> 01:02:27,260 But the A-Train and the Connect service 1413 01:02:27,260 --> 01:02:31,700 did finish their regularly scheduled routes for that day. 1414 01:02:31,700 --> 01:02:33,620 Moving into Thursday, 1415 01:02:33,620 --> 01:02:36,140 we also had the request from VIA 1416 01:02:36,140 --> 01:02:37,580 to suspend the GoZone service, 1417 01:02:37,580 --> 01:02:39,700 again, in conjunction with similar decisions 1418 01:02:39,700 --> 01:02:42,700 that were made at Trinity Metro in the city of Arlington. 1419 01:02:42,700 --> 01:02:47,300 We had planned that Thursday to run a regular Connect service, 1420 01:02:47,300 --> 01:02:49,380 albeit started a little bit later at 10 a.m. 1421 01:02:49,380 --> 01:02:52,260 to give the roads an opportunity to freeze, 1422 01:02:52,260 --> 01:02:54,380 which they did not unfreeze. 1423 01:02:54,380 --> 01:02:57,260 And so we did have an operator shortage 1424 01:02:57,260 --> 01:02:59,180 and once again made that determination 1425 01:02:59,180 --> 01:03:01,820 that those resources would be better shifted 1426 01:03:01,820 --> 01:03:03,700 onto providing those emergency services, 1427 01:03:03,700 --> 01:03:05,340 those lifeline services. 1428 01:03:05,340 --> 01:03:08,380 And then we did continue Route 7, 1429 01:03:08,380 --> 01:03:10,900 which was still showing some ridership as well. 1430 01:03:10,900 --> 01:03:14,220 The A-Train operations also continued that day. 1431 01:03:14,220 --> 01:03:16,940 By Friday, luckily, this was not as long in duration 1432 01:03:16,940 --> 01:03:18,620 as Winter Storm Land, and so by Friday, 1433 01:03:18,620 --> 01:03:20,780 we were back to normal and everything was running 1434 01:03:20,780 --> 01:03:22,220 as per usual. 1435 01:03:22,220 --> 01:03:23,860 And we tried to do our best, 1436 01:03:23,860 --> 01:03:25,540 and I think we were very successful 1437 01:03:25,540 --> 01:03:27,940 in communicating these changes frequently 1438 01:03:27,940 --> 01:03:30,900 to the board member, again, I apologize for all the emails, 1439 01:03:30,900 --> 01:03:33,660 the traveling public, and then to the cities as well. 1440 01:03:33,660 --> 01:03:36,580 So as we're moving into March now, 1441 01:03:36,580 --> 01:03:37,820 and as we've already seen this week, 1442 01:03:37,820 --> 01:03:40,660 hopefully we're moving out of winter weather season 1443 01:03:40,660 --> 01:03:43,220 and straight into tornado season. 1444 01:03:43,220 --> 01:03:46,540 So, but we're not waiting until next winter 1445 01:03:46,540 --> 01:03:48,620 to already start dissecting what we've done 1446 01:03:48,620 --> 01:03:50,660 with our winter weather response. 1447 01:03:50,660 --> 01:03:52,580 We've already been meeting both internally 1448 01:03:52,580 --> 01:03:55,820 and with our partners to evaluate our lessons learned 1449 01:03:55,820 --> 01:03:57,980 and start thinking about next steps. 1450 01:03:57,980 --> 01:04:00,860 A few things that we learned from the two opportunities 1451 01:04:00,860 --> 01:04:03,660 February gave us to respond to winter weather 1452 01:04:03,660 --> 01:04:08,460 is the value of making decisions on a day-by-day basis. 1453 01:04:08,460 --> 01:04:09,980 There's a saying here in Texas, 1454 01:04:09,980 --> 01:04:11,220 if you don't like the weather, 1455 01:04:11,220 --> 01:04:13,060 wait 15 minutes and it will change. 1456 01:04:13,060 --> 01:04:15,660 And that doesn't stop during winter weather events. 1457 01:04:15,660 --> 01:04:19,540 So the ability, as much as some of us were a little cranky 1458 01:04:19,540 --> 01:04:22,220 and uncaffeinated at those 5 a.m. meetings, 1459 01:04:22,220 --> 01:04:23,940 the ability to meet every day, 1460 01:04:23,940 --> 01:04:25,540 to meet with that kind of frequency 1461 01:04:25,540 --> 01:04:27,420 allowed us to be flexible and nimble 1462 01:04:27,420 --> 01:04:30,340 and make decisions as they were presented to us. 1463 01:04:30,340 --> 01:04:33,260 And so short-term decisions, meeting regularly, 1464 01:04:33,260 --> 01:04:35,820 standard operating procedures were definitely 1465 01:04:35,820 --> 01:04:37,700 one of the lessons learned, 1466 01:04:37,700 --> 01:04:40,300 the best practice takeaways that we had. 1467 01:04:40,300 --> 01:04:42,820 Another one is being able to communicate regularly 1468 01:04:42,820 --> 01:04:43,940 with our partners. 1469 01:04:43,940 --> 01:04:47,300 So including VIA, including Rio Grande Pacific, 1470 01:04:47,300 --> 01:04:50,540 including NTMC in our decision-making process 1471 01:04:50,540 --> 01:04:52,580 allows us, again, to be flexible, 1472 01:04:52,580 --> 01:04:54,500 to know what their limitations are 1473 01:04:54,500 --> 01:04:57,620 and then to respond as appropriate. 1474 01:04:57,620 --> 01:04:59,900 And then the last best practice lesson learned 1475 01:04:59,900 --> 01:05:02,020 is communication, communication, communication. 1476 01:05:02,020 --> 01:05:04,780 I cannot overstate the importance of communicating, 1477 01:05:04,780 --> 01:05:06,460 whether it be with this council, 1478 01:05:06,460 --> 01:05:10,620 whether it be with our partners at our different agencies, 1479 01:05:10,620 --> 01:05:12,140 but especially with our traveling public 1480 01:05:12,140 --> 01:05:14,060 and letting them know what's going on 1481 01:05:14,060 --> 01:05:16,500 and what goes into the decision-making process, 1482 01:05:16,500 --> 01:05:19,100 that these decisions aren't made in a vacuum. 1483 01:05:19,100 --> 01:05:22,900 As we look towards the next winter season, 1484 01:05:22,900 --> 01:05:24,540 we're already starting to take a look at things 1485 01:05:24,540 --> 01:05:25,820 that we could do better. 1486 01:05:25,820 --> 01:05:28,260 So how can we start being proactive 1487 01:05:28,260 --> 01:05:31,780 in a way that allows us to continue operations 1488 01:05:31,780 --> 01:05:33,180 as much as we can, again, 1489 01:05:33,180 --> 01:05:35,900 always with that safety component top of mind. 1490 01:05:35,900 --> 01:05:38,100 And then we also know that the City of Denton 1491 01:05:38,100 --> 01:05:40,820 has been interested in having conversations 1492 01:05:40,820 --> 01:05:43,980 with transportation needs for individuals 1493 01:05:43,980 --> 01:05:46,940 to emergency warming centers and shelters, 1494 01:05:46,940 --> 01:05:48,420 even when it's not icy. 1495 01:05:48,420 --> 01:05:50,860 So those are conversations that we're happy to engage with 1496 01:05:50,860 --> 01:05:54,340 with the city as we start planning for next February. 1497 01:05:54,340 --> 01:05:57,020 So with that, that's really all I have 1498 01:05:57,020 --> 01:05:58,580 on the winter weather response. 1499 01:05:58,580 --> 01:06:01,420 And if there are any questions, I'm happy to answer them. 1500 01:06:03,620 --> 01:06:07,300 - Great performance, I mean, with the service. 1501 01:06:07,300 --> 01:06:10,620 - Yeah, and I said this at our last board meeting, 1502 01:06:10,620 --> 01:06:12,020 but I wanna say it here as well, 1503 01:06:12,020 --> 01:06:14,740 that thank you to DCTA staff. 1504 01:06:14,740 --> 01:06:16,100 I know that our staff here at the city 1505 01:06:16,100 --> 01:06:19,540 also did outstanding work during both of those storms 1506 01:06:19,540 --> 01:06:24,540 to keep folks safe and maintain those essential services. 1507 01:06:24,540 --> 01:06:28,020 It was a tricky situation. 1508 01:06:28,020 --> 01:06:30,620 Safety always comes first, obviously, 1509 01:06:30,620 --> 01:06:33,260 and that's a balancing act. 1510 01:06:33,260 --> 01:06:36,220 No, you don't want vehicles on the road unnecessarily, 1511 01:06:36,220 --> 01:06:39,100 but as you said, there are folks who need to get to dialysis. 1512 01:06:39,100 --> 01:06:41,020 And I think that y'all did an excellent job 1513 01:06:41,020 --> 01:06:42,300 of balancing those concerns. 1514 01:06:42,300 --> 01:06:43,220 - Thank you, ma'am. 1515 01:06:43,220 --> 01:06:48,820 - All right, well, with that, that concludes our presentation. 1516 01:06:48,820 --> 01:06:49,660 Thank you again. 1517 01:06:49,660 --> 01:06:50,780 - No, don't leave, don't leave. 1518 01:06:50,780 --> 01:06:53,380 - Aw, man. - Any questions, sorry. 1519 01:06:53,380 --> 01:06:56,620 I figured, you know, DCTA is on the slide, 1520 01:06:56,620 --> 01:06:59,220 therefore we could ask anything related to DCTA. 1521 01:06:59,220 --> 01:07:00,060 I hope that's right. 1522 01:07:00,060 --> 01:07:01,420 - That's fair game. - We like long meetings 1523 01:07:01,420 --> 01:07:02,260 here in Denton. 1524 01:07:02,260 --> 01:07:04,500 - I was wondering, Paul, could you maybe share 1525 01:07:04,500 --> 01:07:07,140 with my colleagues a little bit about what's going on 1526 01:07:07,140 --> 01:07:08,380 with the A train? 1527 01:07:08,380 --> 01:07:11,980 Because there are so many exciting plans in the works 1528 01:07:11,980 --> 01:07:15,780 for the A train with Corinth and Carrollton 1529 01:07:15,780 --> 01:07:19,660 and positive train controls and maybe double tracking. 1530 01:07:19,660 --> 01:07:21,860 - Sure, glad to. 1531 01:07:21,860 --> 01:07:24,740 So in our last board meeting, we provided, 1532 01:07:24,740 --> 01:07:26,780 I provided a briefing on opportunities 1533 01:07:26,780 --> 01:07:28,660 to enhance the value of the A train, 1534 01:07:28,660 --> 01:07:30,900 that really the value that the A train provides 1535 01:07:30,900 --> 01:07:32,820 to our member cities 1536 01:07:32,820 --> 01:07:35,380 and our broader Denton County community. 1537 01:07:35,380 --> 01:07:39,620 The basis of the presentation was, 1538 01:07:39,620 --> 01:07:42,300 we have opportunities for new member cities, 1539 01:07:42,300 --> 01:07:44,580 potentially in Corinth. 1540 01:07:44,580 --> 01:07:47,420 We have opportunities to be in further partnership 1541 01:07:47,420 --> 01:07:49,020 with Dallas area rapid transit 1542 01:07:49,020 --> 01:07:51,740 to get the A train down to Carrollton. 1543 01:07:51,740 --> 01:07:54,140 And we have opportunities to partner 1544 01:07:54,140 --> 01:07:55,700 with the private development community, 1545 01:07:55,700 --> 01:07:58,500 as well as leverage our own land resources 1546 01:07:58,500 --> 01:08:00,540 to do transit oriented development. 1547 01:08:00,540 --> 01:08:02,460 All three of those different things we believe 1548 01:08:02,460 --> 01:08:05,300 would lead to increased ridership on the A train 1549 01:08:05,300 --> 01:08:07,580 and again, causing it to be of greater value 1550 01:08:07,580 --> 01:08:09,220 for our communities. 1551 01:08:09,220 --> 01:08:13,580 And so the vision that was set forth in that meeting 1552 01:08:13,580 --> 01:08:16,180 was the opportunity or the need really 1553 01:08:16,180 --> 01:08:18,740 to evaluate all the different infrastructure components 1554 01:08:18,740 --> 01:08:21,940 that are required to make those things happen. 1555 01:08:21,940 --> 01:08:25,420 And that's enhanced capacity primarily through, 1556 01:08:25,420 --> 01:08:27,980 by increasing speeds, we can increase speeds 1557 01:08:27,980 --> 01:08:30,060 and capacity by doing things like improving 1558 01:08:30,060 --> 01:08:31,580 our positive train control system, 1559 01:08:31,580 --> 01:08:33,740 which is the automated safety overlay 1560 01:08:33,740 --> 01:08:35,620 that sits over top that train 1561 01:08:35,620 --> 01:08:38,140 to make sure that it operates within its boundaries 1562 01:08:38,140 --> 01:08:39,740 as safely as possible. 1563 01:08:39,740 --> 01:08:43,180 Also the addition of track segments in different places 1564 01:08:43,180 --> 01:08:46,140 be a siding so that two trains can pass one another 1565 01:08:46,140 --> 01:08:48,380 or double tracking so that two trains can operate 1566 01:08:48,380 --> 01:08:50,980 in the same space simultaneously 1567 01:08:50,980 --> 01:08:52,380 as they go in opposite directions. 1568 01:08:52,380 --> 01:08:55,140 The old, if a train leaves station A at this time 1569 01:08:55,140 --> 01:08:56,700 and a train leaves station B at this time, 1570 01:08:56,700 --> 01:08:57,540 where do they meet? 1571 01:08:57,540 --> 01:08:59,820 That's the kind of analysis that we're talking about. 1572 01:08:59,820 --> 01:09:04,500 And so the board provided signals 1573 01:09:04,500 --> 01:09:06,780 that it is interested in moving forward 1574 01:09:06,780 --> 01:09:08,380 with understanding what that would take. 1575 01:09:08,380 --> 01:09:09,740 And so we've been in conversation 1576 01:09:09,740 --> 01:09:11,340 with our consultant partners 1577 01:09:11,340 --> 01:09:13,340 who have evaluated different pieces 1578 01:09:13,340 --> 01:09:14,740 of that puzzle over time. 1579 01:09:14,740 --> 01:09:17,140 Like what would it take to add a station at Corinth 1580 01:09:17,140 --> 01:09:18,300 and not degrade performance? 1581 01:09:18,300 --> 01:09:21,860 What would it take to enhance our PTC system? 1582 01:09:21,860 --> 01:09:24,260 But we have not done that evaluation altogether 1583 01:09:24,260 --> 01:09:27,620 because the system of the railroad 1584 01:09:27,620 --> 01:09:29,220 depends on all those different pieces. 1585 01:09:29,220 --> 01:09:31,180 And if we wanna really determine 1586 01:09:31,180 --> 01:09:32,580 what are the most cost effective ways 1587 01:09:32,580 --> 01:09:34,060 to achieve those outcomes, 1588 01:09:34,060 --> 01:09:35,580 we should look at them altogether. 1589 01:09:35,580 --> 01:09:38,140 So since that board meeting had a call 1590 01:09:38,140 --> 01:09:39,980 with our consultant team as recently as yesterday 1591 01:09:39,980 --> 01:09:42,220 to continue to refine the scope of services 1592 01:09:42,220 --> 01:09:44,220 that we can bring back to our board here 1593 01:09:44,220 --> 01:09:46,780 in the near future to say, here's a path forward 1594 01:09:46,780 --> 01:09:48,220 should we choose to take it. 1595 01:09:48,220 --> 01:09:50,180 So thank you for the question. 1596 01:09:50,180 --> 01:09:54,500 - I have several questions about via GoZone. 1597 01:09:54,500 --> 01:09:57,380 If I can hold you a little bit. 1598 01:09:57,380 --> 01:09:58,220 - Sure. 1599 01:09:59,500 --> 01:10:04,260 - Do we have safety expectations in our contract? 1600 01:10:04,260 --> 01:10:09,260 Are there metrics about accidents and frequency and so on? 1601 01:10:09,260 --> 01:10:13,820 Any kind of service level definition related to safety? 1602 01:10:13,820 --> 01:10:18,860 - I would like to be able to really digest the contract 1603 01:10:18,860 --> 01:10:20,820 with these sorts of questions in mind. 1604 01:10:20,820 --> 01:10:21,660 - I'll give you the questions. 1605 01:10:21,660 --> 01:10:22,900 You do not expect me to answer something like that. 1606 01:10:22,900 --> 01:10:23,740 - Okay, great. 1607 01:10:23,740 --> 01:10:24,780 So safety metrics. 1608 01:10:24,780 --> 01:10:26,100 - Okay, yeah. 1609 01:10:26,100 --> 01:10:31,100 - And then obviously the rejoinder is how are we doing? 1610 01:10:31,100 --> 01:10:32,940 How's that looking? 1611 01:10:32,940 --> 01:10:36,980 Do we have average wait time expectations 1612 01:10:36,980 --> 01:10:39,020 with service level metrics in our contract 1613 01:10:39,020 --> 01:10:40,660 and how are we doing? 1614 01:10:40,660 --> 01:10:41,780 - Okay. 1615 01:10:41,780 --> 01:10:45,900 - And last one I wanna in that vein is 1616 01:10:45,900 --> 01:10:49,060 do we have specific service level metrics 1617 01:10:49,060 --> 01:10:54,060 related to having rides available for disabled customers? 1618 01:10:56,340 --> 01:11:01,340 In other words, how many times do we provide a vehicle 1619 01:11:01,340 --> 01:11:05,700 that is, that can take someone with a wheelchair 1620 01:11:05,700 --> 01:11:08,780 or a walk or whatever when it's asked? 1621 01:11:08,780 --> 01:11:09,620 - Right. 1622 01:11:09,620 --> 01:11:13,500 - Is there a correctly equipped vehicle available? 1623 01:11:13,500 --> 01:11:18,500 And obviously these questions are coming from a concern 1624 01:11:18,500 --> 01:11:21,860 that maybe we're not meeting those standards 1625 01:11:21,860 --> 01:11:24,820 or that there aren't standards built into the relationship. 1626 01:11:24,820 --> 01:11:27,940 So, you wanna know, I wanna know. 1627 01:11:27,940 --> 01:11:28,780 - Yeah. 1628 01:11:28,780 --> 01:11:29,620 - We'll talk about it when-- 1629 01:11:29,620 --> 01:11:30,900 - So we will in the conversation 1630 01:11:30,900 --> 01:11:32,300 that we'll have tomorrow at our board meeting, 1631 01:11:32,300 --> 01:11:34,340 we are gonna talk about performance metrics 1632 01:11:34,340 --> 01:11:36,780 like average wait time, seat unavailability, 1633 01:11:36,780 --> 01:11:37,860 those sorts of things. 1634 01:11:37,860 --> 01:11:39,140 We'll have a conversation with the board 1635 01:11:39,140 --> 01:11:42,340 about what are the inputs that can be had 1636 01:11:42,340 --> 01:11:44,900 to improve those things. 1637 01:11:44,900 --> 01:11:48,540 And so we can certainly come back to this body 1638 01:11:48,540 --> 01:11:52,820 with more details around the more robust set of metrics 1639 01:11:52,820 --> 01:11:53,740 that you've just laid out. 1640 01:11:53,740 --> 01:11:55,140 - I'll tell you, the driver safety thing, 1641 01:11:55,140 --> 01:11:59,180 if the anecdotes bear out, that's a really serious concern. 1642 01:11:59,180 --> 01:12:02,540 If there's something systemic in the way 1643 01:12:02,540 --> 01:12:04,540 that they're compensated or managed 1644 01:12:04,540 --> 01:12:07,020 that is leading to a problem there, 1645 01:12:07,020 --> 01:12:11,660 I'm gonna stay from Missouri, you'll tell me, 1646 01:12:11,660 --> 01:12:14,660 but if that is a reality, 1647 01:12:14,660 --> 01:12:18,180 that's gotta go to the top of the list, right? 1648 01:12:18,180 --> 01:12:19,020 - Understood. 1649 01:12:19,020 --> 01:12:22,100 - Okay, that's great, thank you very much. 1650 01:12:22,100 --> 01:12:24,100 I really appreciate you coming in, sharing with us. 1651 01:12:24,100 --> 01:12:24,940 - Oh, please. 1652 01:12:24,940 --> 01:12:34,660 - I wanna preface this by saying that I was on Nextdoor, 1653 01:12:34,660 --> 01:12:38,140 you know the Nextdoor app? 1654 01:12:38,140 --> 01:12:40,700 So there's all kinds of things that are going on. 1655 01:12:40,700 --> 01:12:44,020 But one of the questions that came up 1656 01:12:44,020 --> 01:12:47,000 and it seemed a bit petty. 1657 01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:49,820 And as a city council person, 1658 01:12:49,820 --> 01:12:52,460 I always wanna just jump on there 1659 01:12:52,460 --> 01:12:55,620 and say something, you know, to these people. 1660 01:12:55,620 --> 01:13:00,620 But I know that it has to be in a way that, you know. 1661 01:13:00,620 --> 01:13:03,700 So I just choose not to indulge. 1662 01:13:03,700 --> 01:13:08,700 But the question came up and the concern in the, 1663 01:13:08,700 --> 01:13:10,760 and I'll use this term loosely, 1664 01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:15,760 the pettiness came up as to why the GoZone cars 1665 01:13:17,540 --> 01:13:22,540 do not have the State of Texas registration tags on them. 1666 01:13:22,540 --> 01:13:27,780 And so they're concerned that the vehicles may not be safe 1667 01:13:27,780 --> 01:13:32,700 as if they were not, you know, that's serious, 1668 01:13:32,700 --> 01:13:35,020 but it was just kinda, you know, a first thought that, 1669 01:13:35,020 --> 01:13:36,420 well, what does this matter? 1670 01:13:36,420 --> 01:13:40,020 But it does if we're talking about people riding 1671 01:13:40,020 --> 01:13:44,900 in State of Texas examined vehicles, you know, 1672 01:13:44,900 --> 01:13:48,140 we have to have our cars inspected 1673 01:13:48,140 --> 01:13:50,100 before we get our registration. 1674 01:13:50,100 --> 01:13:53,700 And if we're seeing a lot of cars coming out of Florida 1675 01:13:53,700 --> 01:13:57,740 or wherever these tags are from that's, 1676 01:13:57,740 --> 01:13:58,940 they didn't say that. 1677 01:13:58,940 --> 01:14:01,280 I'm adding that particular part on there 1678 01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:03,660 that it's a safety factor as well. 1679 01:14:03,660 --> 01:14:07,340 So Mayor Pro Tem, I appreciate you bringing 1680 01:14:07,340 --> 01:14:11,340 that conversation up, you know, that topic up of safety. 1681 01:14:11,340 --> 01:14:13,480 This also goes along with that. 1682 01:14:13,480 --> 01:14:16,180 How can we assure our riders 1683 01:14:16,180 --> 01:14:18,980 that they are in the safest vehicles possible, 1684 01:14:18,980 --> 01:14:23,820 especially by having those vehicles registered 1685 01:14:23,820 --> 01:14:24,700 with the State of Texas? 1686 01:14:24,700 --> 01:14:28,300 I don't think I've seen one that shown 1687 01:14:28,300 --> 01:14:32,080 that it was a Texas registered vehicle, 1688 01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:34,720 which thereby means that it's been inspected 1689 01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:38,120 and, you know, and allowed to be on the road. 1690 01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:39,820 - Understood. - Thank you. 1691 01:14:39,820 --> 01:14:41,300 - Yeah, you know, if you can, you know, 1692 01:14:41,300 --> 01:14:45,220 if the general safety issue is substantiated, 1693 01:14:45,220 --> 01:14:47,860 then I'm sure there are many tools 1694 01:14:47,860 --> 01:14:49,120 you're gonna want to look at. 1695 01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:50,060 How are they recruited? 1696 01:14:50,060 --> 01:14:51,700 What are the standards? 1697 01:14:51,700 --> 01:14:53,980 What's the training, right? 1698 01:14:53,980 --> 01:14:55,540 So obvious management stuff. 1699 01:14:55,540 --> 01:14:58,100 Yeah, thank you so much. 1700 01:14:58,100 --> 01:14:59,340 - Okay, thank you. 1701 01:14:59,340 --> 01:15:07,320 - All right, we're on to MC22-08 staff report. 1702 01:15:11,300 --> 01:15:13,960 (door thudding) 1703 01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:31,180 All righty, well, thank you very much 1704 01:15:31,180 --> 01:15:35,620 for having me to allow me to do the staff report today. 1705 01:15:35,620 --> 01:15:37,540 So the first thing that I wanted to start off with, 1706 01:15:37,540 --> 01:15:40,340 I know last month we introduced Brett, 1707 01:15:40,340 --> 01:15:42,740 our new deputy city engineer. 1708 01:15:42,740 --> 01:15:45,500 Trevor also is new to our department 1709 01:15:45,500 --> 01:15:46,960 and is taking the position 1710 01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:49,780 that Rachel Wood previously held. 1711 01:15:49,780 --> 01:15:52,160 And so I wanted to give Trevor a chance to come up 1712 01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:54,820 and introduce himself, talk to y'all a little bit 1713 01:15:54,820 --> 01:15:58,060 about his different roles he's played within the department. 1714 01:15:58,060 --> 01:15:59,980 And we're gonna start off with that. 1715 01:15:59,980 --> 01:16:00,820 So Trevor. 1716 01:16:09,820 --> 01:16:11,340 - Good morning, thanks for having me. 1717 01:16:11,340 --> 01:16:12,540 So my name's Trevor Crane 1718 01:16:12,540 --> 01:16:14,940 and I'm the Deputy Director of Capital Projects. 1719 01:16:14,940 --> 01:16:17,660 I've been with the city almost three years now. 1720 01:16:17,660 --> 01:16:20,500 I originally came in October of 2019 1721 01:16:20,500 --> 01:16:24,020 as a project manager in the Capital Improvements Department. 1722 01:16:24,020 --> 01:16:25,340 Close to about 10 months ago, 1723 01:16:25,340 --> 01:16:28,020 I was promoted to the Public Works Inspections Manager, 1724 01:16:28,020 --> 01:16:31,340 and I've been in that role since, 1725 01:16:31,340 --> 01:16:34,940 or I guess up to about a month now I've been in this role. 1726 01:16:34,940 --> 01:16:37,480 So I'm excited to move into this role. 1727 01:16:37,480 --> 01:16:39,660 I worked with Rachel very closely 1728 01:16:39,660 --> 01:16:42,660 when I was a project manager in that department. 1729 01:16:42,660 --> 01:16:44,260 I was involved in a lot of those policies 1730 01:16:44,260 --> 01:16:46,160 and procedures that we built. 1731 01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:48,020 So I'm excited to be back with that team 1732 01:16:48,020 --> 01:16:49,940 and keep moving this forward. 1733 01:16:49,940 --> 01:16:51,820 - Welcome. 1734 01:16:51,820 --> 01:16:52,660 - Thank you. 1735 01:16:52,660 --> 01:16:59,080 - Thank you, Trevor. 1736 01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:02,720 The unfortunate part is we now have 1737 01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:05,060 a Public Works Inspection Manager position to fill. 1738 01:17:05,060 --> 01:17:07,980 But I am glad to have Trevor in the position that he's in. 1739 01:17:07,980 --> 01:17:10,660 He's doing a fantastic job already. 1740 01:17:10,660 --> 01:17:13,860 So the next item that we wanted to go through 1741 01:17:13,860 --> 01:17:17,440 was the Parkway Street and then the Locust Elm intersections. 1742 01:17:17,440 --> 01:17:19,740 I know Mayor Pro Tem, I believe you asked 1743 01:17:19,740 --> 01:17:21,500 for some additional information. 1744 01:17:21,500 --> 01:17:25,660 We do have individuals from the Traffic Operations Team 1745 01:17:25,660 --> 01:17:28,300 present today that helped work with us on this. 1746 01:17:28,300 --> 01:17:30,500 So specifically, you asked the question 1747 01:17:30,500 --> 01:17:34,420 about when the traffic signal analysis was completed, 1748 01:17:34,420 --> 01:17:36,220 when the signals were brought down, 1749 01:17:36,220 --> 01:17:38,100 and kind of what that process was. 1750 01:17:38,100 --> 01:17:40,260 So I'm gonna paraphrase, but of course 1751 01:17:40,260 --> 01:17:42,380 you have the backup in your information. 1752 01:17:42,380 --> 01:17:45,580 So June 2019, staff did construct 1753 01:17:45,580 --> 01:17:48,100 a traffic signal warrant analysis 1754 01:17:48,100 --> 01:17:50,140 and determined that they thought it was best 1755 01:17:50,140 --> 01:17:52,980 to remove the signals at those intersections. 1756 01:17:52,980 --> 01:17:57,180 And that deactivation occurred in January of 2020. 1757 01:17:57,180 --> 01:18:00,900 And then it kept in that same operation 1758 01:18:00,900 --> 01:18:04,940 until December 8th of 2021. 1759 01:18:04,940 --> 01:18:08,220 During that time frame, that intersection 1760 01:18:08,220 --> 01:18:11,100 operated with a side street stop on Parkway. 1761 01:18:11,100 --> 01:18:13,660 So if you can envision, you're only stopping 1762 01:18:13,660 --> 01:18:16,060 at Parkway at both Elm and Locust. 1763 01:18:16,060 --> 01:18:20,500 So there was free flow of traffic traversing 1764 01:18:20,500 --> 01:18:23,220 up and down Elm and Locust. 1765 01:18:23,220 --> 01:18:26,340 October 8th, our team, along with James Andrews 1766 01:18:26,340 --> 01:18:29,740 and Danny Kramer, Traffic Operations, Street Operations, 1767 01:18:29,740 --> 01:18:33,540 worked through to install that all-way stop. 1768 01:18:33,540 --> 01:18:35,820 So now envision that now we have stop signs 1769 01:18:35,820 --> 01:18:38,380 both at Elm and Locust. 1770 01:18:38,380 --> 01:18:42,020 Then James actually worked to install 1771 01:18:42,020 --> 01:18:44,740 the red flashing beacon. 1772 01:18:44,740 --> 01:18:48,380 And that's actually just at the intersection of Elm. 1773 01:18:48,380 --> 01:18:51,780 What we found, and James did some of this evaluation, 1774 01:18:51,780 --> 01:18:55,300 was folks that are coming northbound on Locust, 1775 01:18:55,300 --> 01:18:57,620 they've just come through the intersection at McKinney, 1776 01:18:57,620 --> 01:18:59,980 so they're not accelerating as quickly, 1777 01:18:59,980 --> 01:19:02,180 and they're noticing that there's a stop sign 1778 01:19:02,180 --> 01:19:03,700 almost immediately. 1779 01:19:03,700 --> 01:19:06,860 Folks that are coming down Elm Street, unfortunately, 1780 01:19:06,860 --> 01:19:09,180 they haven't had a signal since 380. 1781 01:19:09,180 --> 01:19:11,700 They could have picked up a decent rate of speed, 1782 01:19:11,700 --> 01:19:14,140 and we're not always noticing those stop signs 1783 01:19:14,140 --> 01:19:16,500 that were installed at Elm. 1784 01:19:16,500 --> 01:19:21,500 So red flashing beacons are located at that location. 1785 01:19:21,500 --> 01:19:25,980 We did work with PD to assemble crash data, 1786 01:19:25,980 --> 01:19:28,220 and we're working to complete all of that. 1787 01:19:28,220 --> 01:19:29,700 I know we mentioned that we're gonna have 1788 01:19:29,700 --> 01:19:31,500 that crash data available. 1789 01:19:31,500 --> 01:19:32,980 Nathan has some preliminary, 1790 01:19:32,980 --> 01:19:34,580 which he just stepped out of the room, 1791 01:19:34,580 --> 01:19:35,500 preliminary data. 1792 01:19:35,500 --> 01:19:37,700 One of the things that we're working through 1793 01:19:37,700 --> 01:19:38,860 is collecting all of that 1794 01:19:38,860 --> 01:19:41,540 so that we can provide that information to you. 1795 01:19:41,540 --> 01:19:46,220 So something that we're continuing to work with PD on. 1796 01:19:46,220 --> 01:19:48,820 We ourselves, because we're now housed 1797 01:19:48,820 --> 01:19:50,500 right at the corner of that intersection, 1798 01:19:50,500 --> 01:19:52,300 have seen several crashes. 1799 01:19:52,300 --> 01:19:54,180 The data is not exactly adding up 1800 01:19:54,180 --> 01:19:55,620 with the information that we've seen. 1801 01:19:55,620 --> 01:19:57,580 So we're working through that 1802 01:19:57,580 --> 01:19:59,700 so that we can bring that back to the committee. 1803 01:19:59,700 --> 01:20:00,700 And then, of course, 1804 01:20:00,700 --> 01:20:03,420 we're continuing to evaluate the operations. 1805 01:20:03,420 --> 01:20:06,740 I do feel like from the current perspective 1806 01:20:06,740 --> 01:20:10,220 that we see that the all-way stop is working 1807 01:20:10,220 --> 01:20:11,660 in a much better fashion 1808 01:20:11,660 --> 01:20:15,580 than just the stop in the direction of Parkway. 1809 01:20:15,580 --> 01:20:18,220 So wanted to bring that forward. 1810 01:20:18,220 --> 01:20:20,980 Of course, as usual, we provide you the information 1811 01:20:20,980 --> 01:20:23,580 where that was provided in previous Friday reports. 1812 01:20:23,580 --> 01:20:27,340 There was one in October that we provided information 1813 01:20:27,340 --> 01:20:29,900 about the warning signs and the stop signs. 1814 01:20:29,900 --> 01:20:32,700 Any additional questions on that item? 1815 01:20:32,700 --> 01:20:34,700 - Yes, I have one question. - Sure. 1816 01:20:34,700 --> 01:20:38,540 - I travel that, I travel those roads 1817 01:20:38,540 --> 01:20:41,540 'cause I live kind of on the north side. 1818 01:20:41,540 --> 01:20:48,420 Are there any warning signs to prelude the stop signs 1819 01:20:48,420 --> 01:20:52,100 that are going south on Elm? 1820 01:20:52,100 --> 01:20:55,820 Do we get a warning back here that there are stop signs? 1821 01:20:55,820 --> 01:20:58,540 - Well, I travel that every day, too, 1822 01:20:58,540 --> 01:20:59,740 and I'll have to be honest with you. 1823 01:20:59,740 --> 01:21:01,980 I don't know that I've ever noticed that. 1824 01:21:01,980 --> 01:21:03,420 James says yes. 1825 01:21:03,420 --> 01:21:04,500 James, would you like to come up 1826 01:21:04,500 --> 01:21:06,260 and speak where those locations are? 1827 01:21:06,260 --> 01:21:08,780 (man speaking faintly) 1828 01:21:08,780 --> 01:21:09,620 - Okay. 1829 01:21:09,620 --> 01:21:10,980 - The stop ahead signs, that's what they're called. 1830 01:21:10,980 --> 01:21:11,820 - Yes, ma'am. 1831 01:21:11,820 --> 01:21:13,860 So sounds like they're stop ahead signs. 1832 01:21:13,860 --> 01:21:16,380 I would assume they're several hundred feet 1833 01:21:16,380 --> 01:21:20,620 from the intersection north of the intersection 1834 01:21:20,620 --> 01:21:22,580 that actually tell people that there is going to be 1835 01:21:22,580 --> 01:21:23,540 a stop sign ahead. 1836 01:21:23,540 --> 01:21:25,540 And we can look at those exact locations, too, 1837 01:21:25,540 --> 01:21:26,380 if you'd like to know this. 1838 01:21:26,380 --> 01:21:27,980 - Well, I'm gonna drive. - Okay. 1839 01:21:27,980 --> 01:21:29,420 - I gotta go that way anyway when I leave here. 1840 01:21:29,420 --> 01:21:30,260 - Well, great. 1841 01:21:30,260 --> 01:21:32,340 - So I'm gonna come back on Elm 1842 01:21:32,340 --> 01:21:35,620 because my next meeting is over across the way 1843 01:21:35,620 --> 01:21:36,700 at your building. 1844 01:21:36,700 --> 01:21:39,580 So I will see that for myself 1845 01:21:39,580 --> 01:21:42,700 because I don't have it in my head 1846 01:21:42,700 --> 01:21:46,380 as to whether or not I'm told that there's a stop sign. 1847 01:21:46,380 --> 01:21:47,220 - Sure. 1848 01:21:47,220 --> 01:21:50,340 - Ahead, other than then seeing the flashing lights. 1849 01:21:50,340 --> 01:21:51,180 - Absolutely. 1850 01:21:51,180 --> 01:21:52,260 - So, yeah, I'll do that. 1851 01:21:52,260 --> 01:21:53,540 - Okay, great. 1852 01:21:53,540 --> 01:21:54,420 Wonderful. 1853 01:21:54,420 --> 01:21:56,740 So on that item specifically, 1854 01:21:56,740 --> 01:21:58,540 hopefully we've addressed the questions. 1855 01:21:58,540 --> 01:22:00,500 The only thing that we have still we're working through 1856 01:22:00,500 --> 01:22:03,420 with PD is just that crash data specifically 1857 01:22:03,420 --> 01:22:07,420 on the Parkway and Locust and Parkway and Elm. 1858 01:22:07,420 --> 01:22:09,060 Like I mentioned, Nathan is working 1859 01:22:09,060 --> 01:22:11,180 with the police department to continue to collect 1860 01:22:11,180 --> 01:22:13,300 all of that in a fashion that we can present 1861 01:22:13,300 --> 01:22:14,900 that information to you. 1862 01:22:14,900 --> 01:22:18,100 So we will bring that crash data back at the next meeting. 1863 01:22:19,900 --> 01:22:23,340 The next item that was a part of our staff report 1864 01:22:23,340 --> 01:22:27,260 from last month was to get an update kind of on, 1865 01:22:27,260 --> 01:22:30,020 and I think it was quoted saying kind of what's going on 1866 01:22:30,020 --> 01:22:34,140 in the Dearwood, Kingsway, Kingsrow area. 1867 01:22:34,140 --> 01:22:37,580 And so we are working with the development services team 1868 01:22:37,580 --> 01:22:40,060 to provide you information that shows you 1869 01:22:40,060 --> 01:22:42,700 the existing configurations in that area, 1870 01:22:42,700 --> 01:22:45,700 what the mobility plan now shows for that area, 1871 01:22:45,700 --> 01:22:48,860 and then specifically what the development was required 1872 01:22:48,860 --> 01:22:51,620 to do in that area, or asked to do in that area 1873 01:22:51,620 --> 01:22:52,860 as a part of that PD. 1874 01:22:52,860 --> 01:22:55,220 So that'll be a presentation that'll be brought back 1875 01:22:55,220 --> 01:22:56,580 at the April meeting. 1876 01:22:56,580 --> 01:22:58,780 Is there anything else specifically that you'd like 1877 01:22:58,780 --> 01:23:01,500 for us to drill down on that individual item? 1878 01:23:01,500 --> 01:23:05,860 Okay. 1879 01:23:05,860 --> 01:23:09,340 - I just have another question here. 1880 01:23:09,340 --> 01:23:10,180 - Sure. 1881 01:23:10,180 --> 01:23:17,500 - Speaking with the State of Texas group 1882 01:23:17,500 --> 01:23:21,140 and connecting with our city, 1883 01:23:21,140 --> 01:23:25,140 I mean our development issue that we had over there, 1884 01:23:25,140 --> 01:23:28,420 I know that one of the primary concerns 1885 01:23:28,420 --> 01:23:33,420 was whether or not that frontage road would be ready, 1886 01:23:33,420 --> 01:23:36,900 you know, when this development came through. 1887 01:23:36,900 --> 01:23:39,140 And I think that that was one of the things 1888 01:23:39,140 --> 01:23:42,180 that it was highlighted pretty heavily, 1889 01:23:42,180 --> 01:23:43,580 you know, at that point. 1890 01:23:43,580 --> 01:23:46,460 And as we were having that conversation, 1891 01:23:46,460 --> 01:23:49,540 I was trying to connect whether or not 1892 01:23:49,540 --> 01:23:53,300 if we did the service to that community, 1893 01:23:53,300 --> 01:24:01,180 and trying to figure out the timeframe 1894 01:24:01,180 --> 01:24:04,140 that a frontage road would be put in, 1895 01:24:04,140 --> 01:24:09,140 versus the timeframe when the development would be there. 1896 01:24:09,140 --> 01:24:12,100 So the issue is still there, 1897 01:24:12,100 --> 01:24:14,220 because some of the conversation came through 1898 01:24:14,220 --> 01:24:17,500 as to the lot size and all of that other stuff. 1899 01:24:17,500 --> 01:24:22,500 So would you all look into that? 1900 01:24:22,500 --> 01:24:27,220 You know, how closely would the development be done 1901 01:24:27,220 --> 01:24:30,740 versus being able to have a true frontage road? 1902 01:24:30,740 --> 01:24:32,780 - Sure, we can absolutely bring that forward. 1903 01:24:32,780 --> 01:24:34,740 I will mention to you, Mr. Polster made that 1904 01:24:34,740 --> 01:24:36,860 as a part of his presentation. 1905 01:24:36,860 --> 01:24:39,420 You saw where they're just in the very beginning stages. 1906 01:24:39,420 --> 01:24:41,380 So those frontage roads, it's gonna be sometime 1907 01:24:41,380 --> 01:24:43,380 before those are constructed. 1908 01:24:43,380 --> 01:24:45,580 What you will hear in the presentation 1909 01:24:45,580 --> 01:24:48,740 is that the developer, actually myself, 1910 01:24:48,740 --> 01:24:50,740 TexDOT, several on our staff, 1911 01:24:50,740 --> 01:24:54,900 and TexDOT Dallas district office, 1912 01:24:54,900 --> 01:24:56,740 along with the planning department, 1913 01:24:56,740 --> 01:25:00,580 development services team, coordinated with TexDOT 1914 01:25:00,580 --> 01:25:03,860 to see what could be constructed 1915 01:25:03,860 --> 01:25:05,940 since it will be sometime from the frontage road. 1916 01:25:05,940 --> 01:25:07,460 And that's what some of the options were 1917 01:25:07,460 --> 01:25:09,940 that Ms. Wyatt presented at that meeting. 1918 01:25:09,940 --> 01:25:11,180 So we can bring that forward 1919 01:25:11,180 --> 01:25:13,420 so you can kinda understand what the conversations were 1920 01:25:13,420 --> 01:25:15,460 that we had with TexDOT. 1921 01:25:15,460 --> 01:25:17,380 That's gonna be a similar conversation 1922 01:25:17,380 --> 01:25:20,220 anywhere along the Loop 288 corridor 1923 01:25:20,220 --> 01:25:22,340 from 380 all the way to 35, 1924 01:25:22,340 --> 01:25:25,740 and really actually even to the west side of 35, 1925 01:25:25,740 --> 01:25:27,700 where what we call the paper clips are 1926 01:25:27,700 --> 01:25:29,940 until Loop 288 west is connected. 1927 01:25:29,940 --> 01:25:33,660 In that particular area, 1928 01:25:33,660 --> 01:25:36,220 because it's a controlled access freeway, 1929 01:25:36,220 --> 01:25:38,460 direct connection because folks are driving 1930 01:25:38,460 --> 01:25:42,620 60 miles per hour is prohibited. 1931 01:25:42,620 --> 01:25:45,260 So we're not going to, along with ourselves 1932 01:25:45,260 --> 01:25:49,660 and TexDOT, allow connection directly to Loop 288. 1933 01:25:49,660 --> 01:25:51,460 So that's why some sort of frontage road 1934 01:25:51,460 --> 01:25:54,740 will be constructed when folks need to do so. 1935 01:25:54,740 --> 01:25:57,940 So we can bring that back to you, no problem. 1936 01:25:57,940 --> 01:26:00,620 So timing on the actual construction 1937 01:26:00,620 --> 01:26:02,660 of those frontage roads is quite a ways out 1938 01:26:02,660 --> 01:26:04,300 based on Mr. Polster's report. 1939 01:26:06,220 --> 01:26:11,220 The next question that was asked 1940 01:26:11,220 --> 01:26:14,180 was specifically related to Southeast Denton, 1941 01:26:14,180 --> 01:26:17,180 seeing the trucks go through to get to Duncan. 1942 01:26:17,180 --> 01:26:19,900 And I know this is something that Mr. Kramer 1943 01:26:19,900 --> 01:26:22,340 led the charge on with help from 1944 01:26:22,340 --> 01:26:23,700 some of our engineering staff 1945 01:26:23,700 --> 01:26:26,420 and then also our transportation planning staff. 1946 01:26:26,420 --> 01:26:27,500 I think Council Member Byrd, 1947 01:26:27,500 --> 01:26:29,340 this is one of the ones that you brought forward 1948 01:26:29,340 --> 01:26:32,180 asking questions about trucks going through 1949 01:26:32,180 --> 01:26:34,740 to get to Duncan and some signs 1950 01:26:34,740 --> 01:26:36,580 that might need to be installed. 1951 01:26:36,580 --> 01:26:38,580 Traffic operations through James' team 1952 01:26:38,580 --> 01:26:40,780 actually did observe the street sign 1953 01:26:40,780 --> 01:26:42,820 and determined that it needed to be replaced. 1954 01:26:42,820 --> 01:26:45,020 So that happened on March 14th. 1955 01:26:45,020 --> 01:26:47,180 And then you can also see additional information 1956 01:26:47,180 --> 01:26:49,180 that was provided in the Friday report 1957 01:26:49,180 --> 01:26:52,540 in December of 2021. 1958 01:26:52,540 --> 01:26:57,380 So I think that from the street department, 1959 01:26:57,380 --> 01:26:59,620 public works and traffic operations department, 1960 01:26:59,620 --> 01:27:01,740 they feel as if they've installed 1961 01:27:01,740 --> 01:27:05,460 the additional traffic sign measures in that area. 1962 01:27:05,460 --> 01:27:07,700 And I'm not aware of any additional concerns 1963 01:27:07,700 --> 01:27:09,940 that we've received in that area at this time. 1964 01:27:09,940 --> 01:27:13,140 Okay, okay. 1965 01:27:13,140 --> 01:27:17,980 And then of course, the last question that came up 1966 01:27:17,980 --> 01:27:20,900 was kind of talking about the citywide speed study. 1967 01:27:20,900 --> 01:27:22,180 Nathan is leading the charge 1968 01:27:22,180 --> 01:27:24,420 on the citywide speed study for our team. 1969 01:27:24,420 --> 01:27:26,500 And so I would just mention that we're currently 1970 01:27:26,500 --> 01:27:28,260 in the data collection phase. 1971 01:27:28,260 --> 01:27:29,380 That's the exciting part 1972 01:27:29,380 --> 01:27:32,380 'cause we're getting all of the data collected. 1973 01:27:32,380 --> 01:27:35,300 Nathan actually did a fantastic job 1974 01:27:35,300 --> 01:27:37,980 of actually developing a GIS system 1975 01:27:37,980 --> 01:27:40,020 that shows actual points of where the data 1976 01:27:40,020 --> 01:27:43,580 is gonna be collected along with kind of an overview 1977 01:27:43,580 --> 01:27:46,380 that shows the information that will be collected. 1978 01:27:46,380 --> 01:27:48,860 You can see in the report that traffic speed 1979 01:27:48,860 --> 01:27:51,940 and volume counts are being conducted. 1980 01:27:51,940 --> 01:27:53,660 I mean, he's also looking at crash data 1981 01:27:53,660 --> 01:27:56,220 and several other measures so that when we look 1982 01:27:56,220 --> 01:27:59,220 at the speed of the particular roadways, 1983 01:27:59,220 --> 01:28:04,020 there's more data that's going into those conversations 1984 01:28:04,020 --> 01:28:05,100 in that collection. 1985 01:28:05,100 --> 01:28:10,100 We anticipate that that will be completed by late May. 1986 01:28:10,100 --> 01:28:13,940 So typically you wanna collect not when it's spring break 1987 01:28:13,940 --> 01:28:15,820 and not when school's out of season. 1988 01:28:15,820 --> 01:28:17,940 So right now we're working to collect the data 1989 01:28:17,940 --> 01:28:20,540 from now until basically late May. 1990 01:28:20,540 --> 01:28:22,300 Once that data is completed, 1991 01:28:22,300 --> 01:28:25,820 then our staff along with transportation planning 1992 01:28:25,820 --> 01:28:28,980 in development services team will work to coordinate 1993 01:28:28,980 --> 01:28:33,580 and evaluate all of the data to draft a speed study report 1994 01:28:33,580 --> 01:28:35,980 that will be presented not only to this committee 1995 01:28:35,980 --> 01:28:40,940 but then also to city council in that late summer, 1996 01:28:40,940 --> 01:28:43,540 early fall timeframe, August, September 1997 01:28:43,540 --> 01:28:45,620 to get direction from council. 1998 01:28:45,620 --> 01:28:52,980 And of course we completed several Friday report items 1999 01:28:52,980 --> 01:28:54,660 on speed reduction. 2000 01:28:54,660 --> 01:28:57,620 So I wanted to make sure you saw that that was in the June 2001 01:28:57,620 --> 01:29:00,220 and the July Friday reports. 2002 01:29:00,220 --> 01:29:06,700 And then with that, we are gonna move over to our matrix 2003 01:29:06,700 --> 01:29:09,940 that Ms. Logan has provided for us. 2004 01:29:09,940 --> 01:29:13,340 So on the first item, which is the construction 2005 01:29:13,340 --> 01:29:15,740 of Bonnie Bray and the timing, 2006 01:29:15,740 --> 01:29:18,620 we believed that we had addressed that concern 2007 01:29:18,620 --> 01:29:20,020 at the February meeting. 2008 01:29:20,020 --> 01:29:24,020 But as of today, I think that based Mayor Pro Tem 2009 01:29:24,020 --> 01:29:29,020 on your feedback, you'd like to hear a reoccurring conversation 2010 01:29:29,020 --> 01:29:31,420 just to give a brief status update 2011 01:29:31,420 --> 01:29:34,220 as a part of the overall report 2012 01:29:34,220 --> 01:29:37,540 at each one of the mobility committee meetings. 2013 01:29:37,540 --> 01:29:43,780 - Yes, and with specific focus on the torn up area 2014 01:29:43,780 --> 01:29:48,220 kind of from Oak Street South there. 2015 01:29:48,220 --> 01:29:50,980 And I wonder if you'd be able to get something 2016 01:29:50,980 --> 01:29:54,500 into a Friday report before our next mobility committee 2017 01:29:54,500 --> 01:29:56,580 meeting, even two or three sentences. 2018 01:29:56,580 --> 01:29:58,420 It just helped me out, you know, 2019 01:29:58,420 --> 01:30:01,180 try answering these questions, you know, 2020 01:30:01,180 --> 01:30:06,180 when you have a slightly annoyed person behind a door 2021 01:30:06,180 --> 01:30:08,660 that you've knocked on and they're trying to close it, 2022 01:30:08,660 --> 01:30:11,860 you know, that's the kind of answer I need. 2023 01:30:11,860 --> 01:30:14,220 - Sure, we can put something, 2024 01:30:14,220 --> 01:30:15,900 we can work to even maybe try to get something 2025 01:30:15,900 --> 01:30:18,580 in the Friday report this week, if not next week. 2026 01:30:18,580 --> 01:30:20,020 We actually have a change order 2027 01:30:20,020 --> 01:30:21,780 that'll be coming through the system. 2028 01:30:21,780 --> 01:30:24,740 It goes to PUB on Monday and to council on April 5th. 2029 01:30:24,740 --> 01:30:26,420 That'll talk about some of the improvements 2030 01:30:26,420 --> 01:30:28,420 that are gonna be made to expedite 2031 01:30:28,420 --> 01:30:30,740 some of the pavement repairs in that area. 2032 01:30:30,740 --> 01:30:32,780 So definitely something we can bring forward. 2033 01:30:32,780 --> 01:30:34,700 We can, Trevor and I can work on making sure 2034 01:30:34,700 --> 01:30:36,420 that that's in a Friday report. 2035 01:30:36,420 --> 01:30:38,980 So that's not an issue at all. 2036 01:30:38,980 --> 01:30:41,020 - Most recent email I got about that 2037 01:30:41,020 --> 01:30:44,460 from a constituent referenced a car-sized pothole. 2038 01:30:44,460 --> 01:30:47,580 I don't know if you got that one, yeah. 2039 01:30:47,580 --> 01:30:48,900 - Well, if you'll continue to bring those 2040 01:30:48,900 --> 01:30:51,660 to our attention, you know, we received word yesterday 2041 01:30:51,660 --> 01:30:54,260 from TXOT about some concerns on their driveway entrance 2042 01:30:54,260 --> 01:30:56,420 because that's one of the only ways in and out 2043 01:30:56,420 --> 01:30:58,940 of their facility and they drive larger trucks 2044 01:30:58,940 --> 01:30:59,940 through that area. 2045 01:30:59,940 --> 01:31:01,980 If those concerns are brought to our attention, 2046 01:31:01,980 --> 01:31:03,340 whether it's through the project manager, 2047 01:31:03,340 --> 01:31:05,380 engaged it and et cetera, we'll be happy 2048 01:31:05,380 --> 01:31:07,820 to have the contractor go out and evaluate those concerns. 2049 01:31:07,820 --> 01:31:11,100 I know there's been several that Danny assisted with 2050 01:31:11,100 --> 01:31:13,740 during some of the ice and some of the weather conditions. 2051 01:31:13,740 --> 01:31:17,220 So if we're aware of those, we'll work to address them. 2052 01:31:17,220 --> 01:31:19,900 Obviously we understand the roadway needs to be repaved. 2053 01:31:19,900 --> 01:31:21,860 We're working to complete the utility. 2054 01:31:21,860 --> 01:31:25,820 The next item on the Parkway Locust, 2055 01:31:25,820 --> 01:31:28,780 I'm gonna leave that on the overall agenda 2056 01:31:28,780 --> 01:31:31,100 because I wanna make sure that we bring back 2057 01:31:31,100 --> 01:31:32,620 that crash data. 2058 01:31:32,620 --> 01:31:34,380 Nathan's gonna work to collect that 2059 01:31:34,380 --> 01:31:35,940 and present it to you in a manner 2060 01:31:35,940 --> 01:31:38,660 that we can share that information. 2061 01:31:38,660 --> 01:31:42,220 The Kingsrow, we already discussed that. 2062 01:31:42,220 --> 01:31:44,420 That'll come back at the April 20th meeting. 2063 01:31:45,620 --> 01:31:47,580 I guess Council Member Byrd, 2064 01:31:47,580 --> 01:31:49,420 would you like for us to leave the Southeast 2065 01:31:49,420 --> 01:31:51,860 in the neighborhood until you have an opportunity 2066 01:31:51,860 --> 01:31:53,860 to discuss with constituents 2067 01:31:53,860 --> 01:31:56,060 if they're still concerned in that area? 2068 01:31:56,060 --> 01:31:58,100 - I'll be speaking with them on Monday 2069 01:31:58,100 --> 01:32:00,260 at their neighborhood meeting 2070 01:32:00,260 --> 01:32:02,020 and we'll have that conversation. 2071 01:32:02,020 --> 01:32:05,780 By the way, I did notice a nice brand new Dunkin' sign 2072 01:32:05,780 --> 01:32:07,900 up there off of... 2073 01:32:07,900 --> 01:32:11,220 When you cross over Dallas Drive, 2074 01:32:11,220 --> 01:32:14,420 I think it's called Shady Oaks or something like that. 2075 01:32:14,420 --> 01:32:17,700 I never could get the name of that street right. 2076 01:32:17,700 --> 01:32:19,820 But I did notice a brand new sign, 2077 01:32:19,820 --> 01:32:24,820 but I did not notice any signs notifying drivers 2078 01:32:24,820 --> 01:32:30,540 of larger vehicles that this is not a through street area. 2079 01:32:30,540 --> 01:32:33,900 I need to check with that. 2080 01:32:33,900 --> 01:32:36,820 So I'll talk to them on Monday 2081 01:32:36,820 --> 01:32:38,220 and I'll get back with you. 2082 01:32:38,220 --> 01:32:39,420 - No, that'd be fantastic. 2083 01:32:39,420 --> 01:32:42,540 Actually, if you have that opportunity to speak with them 2084 01:32:42,540 --> 01:32:45,140 and then could provide that information to us, 2085 01:32:45,140 --> 01:32:46,500 we'll make sure that we address it 2086 01:32:46,500 --> 01:32:48,820 at our next mobility committee meeting. 2087 01:32:48,820 --> 01:32:50,180 Yes, ma'am, thank you. 2088 01:32:50,180 --> 01:32:52,900 And then of course, the citywide speed study, 2089 01:32:52,900 --> 01:32:54,020 we've given you an update. 2090 01:32:54,020 --> 01:32:56,100 Is that something that you still want us to continue 2091 01:32:56,100 --> 01:32:58,940 to give you a monthly update on or do you feel like 2092 01:32:58,940 --> 01:33:00,540 since we're in the middle of data collection, 2093 01:33:00,540 --> 01:33:03,540 we can wait until the time that data has been collected 2094 01:33:03,540 --> 01:33:06,500 and of course, we're ready to kind of do that draft plan 2095 01:33:06,500 --> 01:33:07,780 or is that something you're wanting us 2096 01:33:07,780 --> 01:33:09,420 to continue to bring back to you? 2097 01:33:10,540 --> 01:33:13,540 - Comments, sorry. - I think I can wait. 2098 01:33:13,540 --> 01:33:18,780 - How about you, do you need a continuous update 2099 01:33:18,780 --> 01:33:22,060 or ready to wait until there's something to report? 2100 01:33:22,060 --> 01:33:26,900 - At least I could be able to let my constituents know 2101 01:33:26,900 --> 01:33:29,460 that we're working on a speed study. 2102 01:33:29,460 --> 01:33:30,460 - Yes, ma'am. 2103 01:33:30,460 --> 01:33:32,780 It's gonna be several months to collect that data 2104 01:33:32,780 --> 01:33:35,620 so we don't anticipate even having that data in 2105 01:33:35,620 --> 01:33:36,940 until late May. 2106 01:33:37,980 --> 01:33:40,700 So we wanna work through the school year 2107 01:33:40,700 --> 01:33:43,740 because that's when normal travel patterns are happening 2108 01:33:43,740 --> 01:33:48,100 and so it'll be late May before Nathan has that data in. 2109 01:33:48,100 --> 01:33:50,020 - I'm happy to wait until there's something to report. 2110 01:33:50,020 --> 01:33:51,260 - Okay, perfect. 2111 01:33:51,260 --> 01:33:52,740 - And also-- - Without objection. 2112 01:33:52,740 --> 01:33:53,580 - Excuse me, sir. 2113 01:33:53,580 --> 01:33:56,900 Also, is this speed study, 2114 01:33:56,900 --> 01:33:58,940 is it including that South Indian version 2115 01:33:58,940 --> 01:34:02,500 of the evil ways that you've renovated? 2116 01:34:02,500 --> 01:34:05,300 - There will be roadways that are included. 2117 01:34:05,300 --> 01:34:08,380 Keep in mind that this is only for roadways 2118 01:34:08,380 --> 01:34:11,180 and that's something we could report on, 2119 01:34:11,180 --> 01:34:13,780 but this is only for roadways where posted speed limit 2120 01:34:13,780 --> 01:34:15,740 is not 30 miles per hour. 2121 01:34:15,740 --> 01:34:19,620 So there's specific lists that were provided previously 2122 01:34:19,620 --> 01:34:22,100 that we evaluated and then Nathan also evaluated 2123 01:34:22,100 --> 01:34:24,540 additional roadways that he wanted to study 2124 01:34:24,540 --> 01:34:26,860 based on conversations that we had 2125 01:34:26,860 --> 01:34:28,940 or questions that come in maybe 2126 01:34:28,940 --> 01:34:31,700 from a speeding perspective, et cetera. 2127 01:34:31,700 --> 01:34:36,100 So definitely roadways that may be traversing that area, 2128 01:34:36,100 --> 01:34:38,060 but not specifically residential streets 2129 01:34:38,060 --> 01:34:39,260 in that downtown area. 2130 01:34:39,260 --> 01:34:44,300 So with that, that is all that we currently have 2131 01:34:44,300 --> 01:34:45,140 on the staff report. 2132 01:34:45,140 --> 01:34:46,140 Is there anything additional 2133 01:34:46,140 --> 01:34:48,100 that either one of you would like to add 2134 01:34:48,100 --> 01:34:50,860 for us to bring back at the April meeting? 2135 01:34:50,860 --> 01:34:55,060 - Yes, I'd like to add a street to the report. 2136 01:34:55,060 --> 01:34:58,140 It's gonna be Swisher Road 2137 01:34:58,140 --> 01:35:02,040 that's off of Shady Shores Road. 2138 01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:07,380 Yes, it's in the city of Denton. 2139 01:35:07,380 --> 01:35:09,300 - Portions are and portions are not. 2140 01:35:09,300 --> 01:35:12,260 - Right, so this particular portion 2141 01:35:12,260 --> 01:35:17,100 is there beautiful homes on the street, 2142 01:35:17,100 --> 01:35:21,340 but the road is not conducive to what they need right now. 2143 01:35:21,340 --> 01:35:22,700 - Okay. 2144 01:35:22,700 --> 01:35:25,100 - Some culvert issues, drainage, 2145 01:35:26,460 --> 01:35:30,040 and I've driven out there and spoken with homeowners 2146 01:35:30,040 --> 01:35:31,540 in that area. 2147 01:35:31,540 --> 01:35:33,820 So that road doesn't have any lights. 2148 01:35:33,820 --> 01:35:37,320 Pavement is worn down. 2149 01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:40,780 So we'll just have to give that road some attention. 2150 01:35:40,780 --> 01:35:44,340 - Okay, well we can look and see if it's scheduled 2151 01:35:44,340 --> 01:35:46,900 or planned as any part of any bond package 2152 01:35:46,900 --> 01:35:48,540 or upcoming CIP. 2153 01:35:48,540 --> 01:35:51,180 If not, we can work with Danny's. 2154 01:35:51,180 --> 01:35:52,660 Okay, perfect. 2155 01:35:52,660 --> 01:35:55,700 So what we'll do is bring back to you 2156 01:35:55,700 --> 01:35:57,860 what phase of 2019 that's in 2157 01:35:57,860 --> 01:36:00,960 and then also when that is scheduled 2158 01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:02,140 and what the anticipation. 2159 01:36:02,140 --> 01:36:04,480 So that'll be a very easy question to answer. 2160 01:36:04,480 --> 01:36:10,500 Absolutely, we can do that. 2161 01:36:10,500 --> 01:36:11,860 I don't have the map in front of me, 2162 01:36:11,860 --> 01:36:13,980 but we all have this handy dandy PDF 2163 01:36:13,980 --> 01:36:15,900 that we keep on our desktop 2164 01:36:15,900 --> 01:36:17,340 so that we can answer those questions. 2165 01:36:17,340 --> 01:36:19,500 So we absolutely can bring that back to you, no problem. 2166 01:36:19,500 --> 01:36:20,700 That'll be very simple. 2167 01:36:20,700 --> 01:36:24,220 - Councilmember McGuire, 2168 01:36:24,220 --> 01:36:26,420 anything you want to add to the list? 2169 01:36:26,420 --> 01:36:28,780 - I'm going over my long list of things 2170 01:36:28,780 --> 01:36:29,920 that I'm thinking about, 2171 01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:34,820 but I don't see anything currently that's relevant here. 2172 01:36:34,820 --> 01:36:36,940 - I think we've done it. 2173 01:36:36,940 --> 01:36:37,780 - Well, wonderful. 2174 01:36:37,780 --> 01:36:38,620 Thank you very much. 2175 01:36:38,620 --> 01:36:40,060 Well, we look forward to bringing back 2176 01:36:40,060 --> 01:36:42,340 these future items to you 2177 01:36:42,340 --> 01:36:44,420 and look forward to hearing from you 2178 01:36:44,420 --> 01:36:46,240 about the Southeast Denton area. 2179 01:36:46,240 --> 01:36:47,340 And then with that, 2180 01:36:47,340 --> 01:36:49,580 I guess we're done with the staff report. 2181 01:36:49,580 --> 01:36:51,940 - All right, thank you. - Thank you very much. 2182 01:36:51,940 --> 01:36:53,700 - All that remains is concluding items. 2183 01:36:53,700 --> 01:36:55,540 Does anyone have any concluding items? 2184 01:36:55,540 --> 01:37:00,620 Seeing none, we are adjourned at 1039.