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 Noting that we have a quorum, we will call this meeting to order.

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 Let's start by presiding the Pledge of Allegiance and then Texas.

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 How could you eat through the TV monitoring of ours?

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 >> We have our own rounds, don't we?

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 and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God,

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 indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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 I pledge allegiance to the Texas, one state, under God, one and indivisible.

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 >> Thank you, everybody.

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 This is an emergency special call meeting of the Historic Landmarks Commission.

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 Today is Thursday, March 17th.

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 Our first item for consideration is approval of the minutes from the month of November.

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 Those minutes were distributed in everyone's packet.

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 So, assuming you've seen those, we need a motion for approval.

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 >> I have a motion on my question.

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 >> May I have a second?

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 >> Yes.

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 >> Motion and a second?

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 All those in favor?

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 No, I don't think so.

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 Okay, so the minutes are approved.

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 And I will sign those for, I think, Ms. Monica.

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 >> Thank you.

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 >> Thank you.

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 And second up this evening is COA 22-0001, to hold a public meeting and consider an application

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 for certificate of appropriateness in accordance with section 2.9.2 of the DIN Development

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 Code to construct a new rear addition at 906 West Hickory Street within the Oak History

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 Historic District.

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 The site is located on the north side of West Hickory Street between North Well Street and

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 Barnard.

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 And I think I'll turn it over to Cameron for the presentation.

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 >> Good evening, everyone.

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 As our Chair Roy stated, we have our COA 22-0001B for a new rear addition.

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 So, this is located on the north side of West Hickory Street between North Welch and William

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 Streets.

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 The owners are David and Diane and Michelson, and the construction date of the home was

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 made at circa 1919.

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 So, just a little bit of background on the building's history.

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 It was constructed by R.A. and F.E. McClerkins Sledge.

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 The architectural style itself is a craftsman style.

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 Some of the defining features, as you can kind of see from these pictures, it has the

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 exposed roof rafters up here.

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 We have our low-pitched front gabled roof with unenclosed eave overhangs, which you can

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 see over here.

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 We have decorative brackets, a covered front porch, and paired double-hung windows.

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 So, the request is a rear building addition with a covered patio and window relocation,

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 and this is on the north rear facade facing away from West Hickory Street, where the arrow

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 is pointed back here.

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 So, these are photos of the current condition.

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 This is showing photo number one right here, that's showing that west facade, as you can

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 see from the north arrow.

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 We have our photo number two showing those north and west facades as well.

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 We have our photo number three, which is right here, on that north end of the residence,

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 and then we have photo number four, which is on the east side.

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 I don't know if that's appropriate type of questions or not, regarding the presentation.

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 I can take questions.

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 I'm just a little bit confused, because the previous picture, when I was looking at it

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 earlier, it looked like it was going to be on the west side, but everything else indicated

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 it was going to be on the north side.

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 So, this is showing the north arrow, right here, so this is, if you were ...

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 No, no, I'm saying the picture there looks like it's pointing to the west side of the

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 house.

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 Oh, it's just because I'm trying to point to the rear of the facade, just for the photo,

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 because it's technically not visible from the street, however, because it's over ... It's

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 larger than a minor alteration or ordinary maintenance.

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 That's why it's going in front of HLC.

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 So the materials I propose, they plan on using the original or the new wooden clapboard siding,

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 so if they're not able to get that original, they want to use new wooden clapboard siding.

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 They are going to use the original windows.

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 They are going to match the existing roof with the gray colored asphalt shingles, and

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 then use wooden trim around the windows as well.

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 So this is the existing elevations, as you can see.

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 We have the rear that you saw in the photos.

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 We have that western facade, and then we have that eastern facade right here.

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 So this is the proposed elevation.

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 Right now they show the spacing between the two windows.

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 They show a spacing change.

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 The two original windows have been relocated from the kitchen to the rear right here.

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 The two original windows have been removed on that eastern facade, and then the proposed

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 right elevation.

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 Or I mean, sorry, this is the eastern facade, this is the western facade.

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 So the two windows have been removed, and the eastern facade, the two original windows

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 So these are the architectural drawings, this is just the foundation plan, showing how the

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 foundation will match with the existing foundation.

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 And then they show how the roof rafter plan and the ceiling joist plan as well, and how

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 that will connect with the current ceiling and the roof.

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 So this is going in front of the Texas Historical Commission for a historic tax exemption.

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 So they are currently, they've already done their part A, which is the building's historic

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 significance and its eligibility for the tax credit program, so they are eligible.

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 And they received this letter on November 18, 2021.

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 As stated, the determination was the property is a certified historic structure and can

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 continue through the application process for that historic tax exemption.

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 the proposed project and how it meets the National Register standards.

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 So they've done, they're working on part one, as you can see, it's also that building's

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 historic significance and its eligibility for the tax credit program.

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 And they received their letter on September 17, 2021.

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 As stated, the determination was that is, it is a certified historic property, and they

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 how it meets the standards.

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 So staff's analysis, as you all saw in your packets, we're looking at the standards for

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 rehabilitation and we're focusing specifically on these five standards right here.

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 But we're also looking at our DEN development code, our section 4.9.4C, as it is located

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 in the Oak Hickory Historic District.

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 So what we focused on, what staff focused on was that architectural detail, new construction

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 additions, additions themselves, facade materials, roof forms, and windows and doors.

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 So staff is recommending approval subject to conditions of the COA request for the creation

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 of the new building addition, including the covered porch and relocation of the four of

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 the six existing windows along the west and north rear facades of the residence.

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 However, staff is recommending that the two existing windows, which are shown here, remain

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 in their current location as they match that original craftsman style and are not required

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 for the new construction.

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 I have a question.

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 Do you go back to staff's recommendation?

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 On this, the other side, which side am I looking at?

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 This is the north side.

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 Are they moving windows on the west side or are they keeping those?

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 So they are moving this window, which you can see right here.

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 This window is being moved and this one is being moved.

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 Those two windows are being moved.

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 It's not on the other side.

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 The original windows?

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 I'm not sure how much it matters, but are they not going to have a back door at all?

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 The door is proposed here.

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 It's on that eastern wall right here.

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 Another question, if one of the windows that they're going to move is damaged in the process,

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 do they have to reapply or anything to use with us?

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 new window, they will have to come to us.

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 Can you scroll back to the slide that has the five standards that you guys consider?

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 Okay, so we haven't done this in a while.

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 So here's just a ... Well, what happens is the HLC has essentially four options.

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 And the way it works is we need a motion and a second, and then we move into the discussion

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 After we've discussed it enough, then we call a vote and it'll get voted depending on the

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 If we do nothing, there's no motion, then this would be approved by default in about

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 a week, right?

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 Two weeks.

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 It would go to the next ... Or if we don't approve it ...

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 Back to city council.

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 Well, if there's no motion coming forward.

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 Hillary, do you know?

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 This one works 75 days.

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 Let's assume that ... Oh yes.

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 So it would be, you just continue on at 75 day.

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 Of course, sorry.

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 Is it ... The option ... Yes, sir.

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 I'm sorry.

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 Would it be, when you say by default, would it be per the staff recommendations or per

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 So could they move those, for example, could they move those two windows on the north side?

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 It just goes back to default.

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 They wouldn't be able to do any work.

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 I misunderstood.

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 So the normal options are approved as submitted, approved subject to conditions that we set

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 how we want things perhaps done.

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 We can deny it, or we can continue the item to either indefinitely, which removes it permanently,

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 or to a state specific.

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 So we'll ... I'll entertain a motion.

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 Yes, ma'am.

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 I move to approve COA 22-001B with conditions, and that would be a staff recommendation with

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 those windows as presented by staff.

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 Do we have a second?

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 Second.

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 We have two seconds.

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 So let's roll it out without a discussion.

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 So what you're primarily concerned about is the spacing of those two windows need to match

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 the other one, the staff recommendation, right?

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 Right.

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 Now they're reusing two windows, but aren't there two new windows being put in as well?

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 So they are removing ... Oh, I should have taken out two other windows.

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 They've used those two there.

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 That's what I was confused on originally, Roy.

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 Any other questions or comments or ... I mean chime in.

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 Floor's open.

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 I guess I'm curious about the necessity to change their plans on the windows.

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 I mean, I'm not sure how necessary that is to preserve it, given the fact that, one,

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 it's not visible by, you know, by anyone that's in there on the rear elevation of the building.

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 I'm not sure how much of a difference that really makes.

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 So I'll pose it like this.

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 So in a house of this period, would always the windows be paired with the same spacing?

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 I mean, I'm not driving around, it's a question for you guys, yes.

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 Yes.

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 So that spacing would look odd to someone who did.

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 And so one of our standards is to make sure whatever we permit is consistent with the

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 historic time period from this home, which is, I think, why they're making a recommendation.

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 So given what I'm looking at there, if the recommendation is to move those close together,

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 is it specifically to match the ones on the west side?

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 It is to just remain as where they're located currently and not space them apart.

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 So as to retain that.

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 The two sets would still be different from one another, given that those pictures there.

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 So it would basically, if you would take these windows and place them right here and just

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 keep them.

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 But they seem, even where they are now seems further apart than when they're proposed ones

253
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 on the right.

254
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 Right.

255
00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:30,560
 So they are, yeah, the spacing does look a little off compared to what they are placed

256
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 right there.

257
00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:40,840
 And moving those two windows does not have to be part of the project.

258
00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:41,840
 Correct.

259
00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:42,840
 Okay.

260
00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:44,880
 That's kind of what did it for me too.

261
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 So these two windows are what staff is recommending, just stay the same instead of being spaced

262
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 apart and just leaving them as is because they're not required as part of the construction

263
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 of the addition.

264
00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,720
 Well, it's probably smarter that they don't in case they get broken, they don't want to

265
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 have to come back here again.

266
00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:02,240
 Okay.

267
00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:06,360
 Any other discussion or questions for staff, comments?

268
00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,400
 So we're not putting any requirements on where those two windows that are being moved, where

269
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 they are in relation to the spacing on those, correct?

270
00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:14,960
 Correct.

271
00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:19,360
 Staff is not making any recommendations on where they need to be located.

272
00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:25,120
 Staff agrees with what is currently proposed except for this space change right here.

273
00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:26,120
 All right.

274
00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:31,440
 I wonder if that was just an issue with the plans, was there anything else?

275
00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,840
 I wonder why they would completely redo that one, not necessarily.

276
00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,680
 It would probably have to because of fire code.

277
00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:41,720
 Well, so in the plans, I didn't see in the presentation, but they had a proposed wall

278
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 removal of only that one wall.

279
00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:48,480
 They didn't show that they were actually removing the wall that that window change was going

280
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 to be in.

281
00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,080
 So this wall right here?

282
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 Right.

283
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 Whereas the further north wall, they're not showing removing that wall at all or making

284
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 any changes to it.

285
00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:02,880
 So I'm wondering if those windows being further apart was just maybe a mistake on the design

286
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 part.

287
00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:09,880
 And I was to say, the applicant isn't here tonight and he did inform me that these windows

288
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 weren't supposed to change.

289
00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:15,680
 They were supposed to just stay as is, however, staff needed to continue with the recommendation

290
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 because we were not provided any new drawings.

291
00:17:19,360 --> 00:17:21,960
 And those are the windows on the lower left photo.

292
00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:22,960
 Those are just.

293
00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:23,960
 Yes.

294
00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:24,960
 This is the north side.

295
00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:25,960
 And they're just staying right where they're at?

296
00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:26,960
 Correct.

297
00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:27,960
 Yes.

298
00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:28,960
 Got it.

299
00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:29,960
 Okay.

300
00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:30,960
 All right.

301
00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:37,080
 We have a motion and a second and we've had discussion no further.

302
00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:38,440
 I'll call a vote.

303
00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,200
 All those in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

304
00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:42,200
 Aye.

305
00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:43,200
 Aye.

306
00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:44,200
 All right.

307
00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:48,760
 All those in favor, raise your hand.

308
00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:49,760
 Aye.

309
00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:50,760
 Aye.

310
00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:51,760
 Aye.

311
00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:52,760
 Aye.

312
00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:53,760
 Aye.

313
00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:54,760
 Aye.

314
00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:55,760
 Aye.

315
00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:56,760
 Aye.

316
00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:57,760
 Aye.

317
00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:58,760
 Aye.

318
00:17:58,760 --> 00:17:59,760
 Aye.

319
00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:00,760
 Aye.

320
00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:01,760
 Aye.

321
00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:02,760
 Aye.

322
00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:03,760
 Okay.

323
00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:04,760
 Next on our agenda.

324
00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:16,080
 Is HAL 22-0001B hold a public meeting and determine whether the presented expenses resulted in

325
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 a permanent improvement or restoration of a local historic landmark property located

326
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 at 123 North Elm Street.

327
00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:30,640
 The site is located on the south side of West Oak Street between Cedar and North Elm Street.

328
00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:31,640
 Cameron's going to make her presentation.

329
00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:32,640
 Thank you, Chair.

330
00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:36,760
 So this is for 123 North Elm Street.

331
00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,920
 This is for a historic tax exemption.

332
00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,880
 So as stated, it's at 123 North Elm.

333
00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,520
 It's on the south side of West Oak between Cedar Street and North Elm Street.

334
00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:51,920
 The owners are Denton TriStar Investments LLC.

335
00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,160
 So it is a local historic landmark.

336
00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:59,800
 People know it as the scripture building and it was built circa 1882.

337
00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:07,080
 The request is for a historic landmark tax exemption according to section 10-128.

338
00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,320
 Some of the repairs and updates that were made are roof repairs and general maintenance

339
00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:16,120
 of window seals, brick around door at front north side of building and general loose brick,

340
00:19:16,120 --> 00:19:21,320
 hand painted distress signage, sealant of interior brick and updated flooring in suite

341
00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:22,600
 303.

342
00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:29,600
 The total cost is $33,832.99.

343
00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:34,840
 So this is just a photo of some of the roof repairs that were done to the building, the

344
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 hand painted distress signage as you can see, the brick repair done around the door itself.

345
00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:54,240
 So staff is in analysis as looking at section 10-128D, which is doing that it allows for

346
00:19:54,240 --> 00:20:00,920
 additional 10-year exemption which requires a property owner to spend a minimum amount

347
00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:08,720
 of $10,000 additional in terms of permanent improvements and/or restoration to the property.

348
00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:13,480
 So staff recommends that they roll determination that the expenses presented with the exception

349
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 of the hand painted distress signage resulted in permanent improvement and/or restoration

350
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:22,120
 of the landmark property located at 123 North Elm Street.

351
00:20:22,120 --> 00:20:27,360
 With the exception of the signage, the applicant still needs that minimum $10,000 or more requirements

352
00:20:27,360 --> 00:20:32,160
 stated in the city's code of ordinances, section 10-128D.

353
00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,840
 Any questions?

354
00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:35,840
 Okay questions?

355
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:40,200
 Do we need a motion first or?

356
00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:45,240
 I'll ask for that, yeah technically, well let me see what our options are.

357
00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:54,520
 Our options on this one are to make a favorable finding of improvement, make an unfavorable

358
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 finding of improvement, deny the request or continue either indefinitely or to the time

359
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:01,800
 specific.

360
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:08,280
 So if we're done with questions for staff then yes we need a motion to move into discussion

361
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,280
 phase in a second.

362
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:17,720
 I move to accept HL 22-0001B as appropriate expenses.

363
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:18,720
 Second.

364
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,440
 Do we have a motion in a second?

365
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:26,440
 I'll throw the floor open for discussion, just help yourself.

366
00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:34,600
 I am glad for the staff's recommendation because of the signage part there, because if we remember

367
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:40,800
 back when we had some other discussion on another building of signage it can come and

368
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:41,800
 go.

369
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:46,040
 And so I totally agree with that and I think they did meet it without that signage part,

370
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:52,560
 but I think we do need to put in there that the signage, if it was a historic sign I would

371
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,640
 go with that, but it's not, but they still meet it.

372
00:21:55,640 --> 00:22:05,080
 That's why I was going to ask, is it an original signage or is it something contemporary?

373
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,400
 I went back and looked at the code on this because I'm kind of confused about the exemption

374
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:09,400
 in general.

375
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:13,240
 I don't know if we had a discussion about it before about how it seemed kind of insignificant,

376
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:17,120
 but it actually looks more significant than I think maybe some people thought.

377
00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:24,000
 It looks like it's a 50% reduction in the City of Denton taxable value, which on this

378
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:32,320
 property is almost $1400 a year over 10 years, I mean it's significant, but I guess what

379
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:37,960
 I'm curious about is, is there any time backwards, how far back can they go?

380
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:44,520
 I don't know that the code was overly clear on how old the repairs can be because this

381
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:45,520
 is $33,000.

382
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:50,000
 Do they have to use all $33,000 on this or could they save $10,000 and use it again in

383
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,000
 10 years?

384
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,280
 Because like I said, I don't think that's very clear.

385
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,960
 It sounds like it can go back indefinitely to 2009.

386
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:57,960
 I don't see what you're saying.

387
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:02,640
 So if it's 10 years now, I see what you're saying.

388
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:08,400
 I think it says 10,000 or more beyond those demonstrated for the initial or a subsequent

389
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:09,400
 exemption.

390
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:15,480
 So they could, yeah, if they do a $50,000 repair, they could use that for the next 50

391
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:16,480
 years.

392
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:17,480
 I think that would be right.

393
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:24,640
 I mean, if I were them, I would, well, first of all, I would expect that if someone, that

394
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:30,120
 particular part of the code might be adjusted if we thought that was abusive somehow, but

395
00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:31,120
 I don't know why you wouldn't.

396
00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:37,040
 Yeah, I mean, it seemed to go in well in excess of it on this, so it's, you know, and I think

397
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:41,240
 the group work alone is, falls well within the things.

398
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:42,240
 Right.

399
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:43,960
 I don't see an issue with that.

400
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:48,680
 I just was kind of more curious about a little deeper on it.

401
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:53,240
 I'm just glad people are keeping them up.

402
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:54,240
 I think it's amazing.

403
00:23:54,240 --> 00:24:00,480
 The incentive, I think, is amazing too, because it gets costly on older structures.

404
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:01,480
 We know that.

405
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,480
 Very much so.

406
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:04,480
 Okay.

407
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,200
 So, any other discussion, questions, comments?

408
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,200
 All right.

409
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:17,320
 We have a motion and a second to approve this tax exemption application.

410
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,320
 All those in favor signify by raising your right hand.

411
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:21,320
 Yes, ma'am.

412
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,320
 If I could just seek clarification to make sure we understand what the motion is.

413
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:29,320
 So, because what I heard from Commissioner Kegel was that it was a motion for a favorable

414
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:34,320
 determination, but was that as submitted by the applicant or as recommended by staff?

415
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:35,320
 Because I know some of the discussion.

416
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:36,320
 Signed.

417
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:37,320
 You're right.

418
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,120
 So, I just want to clarify what your motion is.

419
00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:44,720
 Well, if I can amend my motion, I'll do it with staff recommendations.

420
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:45,720
 Yes.

421
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,360
 Let's go ahead and get another second on that.

422
00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:49,360
 Second.

423
00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:50,360
 Okay.

424
00:24:50,360 --> 00:24:58,960
 We have, the motion is that we make a favorable finding of improvement subject to the staff's

425
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:03,280
 limitations that the expenditures for the signage do not qualify.

426
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:04,280
 Fairly stated.

427
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:05,280
 Yes.

428
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,840
 So, that is our motion.

429
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,240
 We've had any further discussion?

430
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,480
 All those in favor signify by raising and saying aye.

431
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:15,480
 Aye.

432
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:16,480
 So, unanimous.

433
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:22,360
 I'm getting rusty with this one.

434
00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:26,200
 You're doing a great job.

435
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:33,760
 The final thing on, all right, so we are now moving out of the public section of our meeting

436
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:41,280
 and moving into a works session and what they would like us to do is they provided a copy

437
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:46,360
 of a calendar for everyone here in front of you, is to approve the remaining meetings

438
00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:50,880
 for calendar 22.

439
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:59,160
 So, I don't know any, there really won't even necessarily be a motion coming out of this

440
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,120
 other than probably majority vote.

441
00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:04,840
 Well, let's just roll through and I'll highlight the meetings.

442
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:11,440
 The next one is scheduled for this coming Monday, the 21st, assuming all meetings would

443
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,640
 be here in this location and at 530.

444
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:21,360
 I assume there's more to cover on Monday that's going to require that beyond what we did today.

445
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:22,360
 Yes.

446
00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:28,600
 Yes, I think you said there were two COAs and two more tax exemptions and then we had

447
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:35,960
 a workshop, which I think will in detail go through some of the tax exemption stuff, right?

448
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:41,640
 That is not scheduled for, the 21st will be scheduled for April.

449
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,880
 The next meeting beyond that would be April the 11th.

450
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:53,000
 Now, as your resident CPA, I can't guarantee I'll be here for that one, but if we get enough

451
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,480
 fill-ins we should be fine.

452
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,720
 The next one after that is May the 9th.

453
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,480
 Okay, so as I roll through this, if someone has an objection and wants to move one, this

454
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,440
 is the time to scream out.

455
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,920
 Hey, I don't like that one, right?

456
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:12,880
 I'm just wondering, instead of going, they're all on the second Monday of every month except

457
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,000
 for July and September.

458
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,720
 And I think that was because there were holidays.

459
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,920
 My thought is it's just easier to keep up with the second Monday of every month because

460
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:29,320
 I get confused on those months, if that makes sense, because it's not the week of a holiday.

461
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,760
 So could we move those and just keep it the second Monday of every month?

462
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,240
 So July the 11th then would be our program?

463
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:46,280
 It would be July 11th and September 10th, 12th, yeah.

464
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:53,680
 July would be the 11th instead of the 18th and September would be the 12th instead of

465
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:54,680
 the 19th.

466
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:59,080
 Okay, so is there, do we know if this is shifted because of some other commitment for this

467
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:00,080
 room?

468
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,080
 Oh, I have no idea.

469
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,080
 That doesn't look good.

470
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,080
 Can I real quick?

471
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,080
 Which day did you prefer?

472
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,080
 The 11th?

473
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:06,080
 No, I just wonder.

474
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:12,400
 I can come either day, just to keep in my mind when I'm doing things, the second Monday

475
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:18,680
 of every month sticks, except it's just hard to remember, oh, July and September are changing

476
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,680
 and I don't know why they changed to the third Monday.

477
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,680
 Especially when planning and zoning didn't do the same thing.

478
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:25,680
 Right.

479
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:30,880
 And if I can offer some insight, it's my understanding that from a scheduling standpoint that I think

480
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,560
 there's been some precedent in the past when there's been, I know at least with Council's

481
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:41,240
 meetings, when Monday is a holiday, then they normally would not meet that week and then

482
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,440
 because they typically meet on Tuesdays, right?

483
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:49,880
 The planning and zoning commission, we meet on Wednesdays so we've got a little more flexibility

484
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,440
 because we're not coming back into a meeting right after a holiday weekend.

485
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:59,080
 But I think it's my understanding though that when we've had a Monday holiday, then that's

486
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,440
 when we've shifted our meetings.

487
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:05,320
 But if it's the desire of the commission to keep it, for example, on the second Monday

488
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,720
 of every month, we should be able to make that happen from a staff's perspective.

489
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:14,760
 I think Monica might be checking the room availability but otherwise I would think we

490
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:22,120
 could make that happen and then because it does provide some normalcy to that schedule

491
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:26,360
 and you're not having to keep up with which holiday or which months have a Monday holiday

492
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,240
 that first Monday of the month.

493
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:34,160
 But just to let you know, from a staff's perspective, we would be amenable to that change provided

494
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,360
 that we have the room available.

495
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,040
 Yes, it looks like it works.

496
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,840
 On the 11th of July, what about September 12th?

497
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:54,920
 We have the, the only thing is that we have like PNZ and Council on the same week.

498
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,760
 And which day do you prefer for September?

499
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:57,760
 The 12th.

500
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,760
 Yeah, Monday the 12th of September.

501
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:12,600
 This will be more predictable for our best viewership.

502
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,920
 There's a bit of a bailing for that room.

503
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:17,920
 Okay.

504
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:18,920
 All right.

505
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,360
 So I'm just going to roll through these quickly and then we'll have a vote to approve.

506
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:27,640
 March the 21st, next Monday, April the 11th.

507
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:37,360
 May the 9th, June the 13th, July the 11th, August the 8th, September the 12th, October

508
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:43,400
 the 10th, November the 14th and December the 12th.

509
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:44,400
 Okay.

510
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:50,480
 All those who are in favor of approving this calendar signify by raising your right hand.

511
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,800
 I unfortunately don't know what I would be in town.

512
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:58,920
 I don't have my calendar with me and I don't know whether my calendar fits with this.

513
00:30:58,920 --> 00:30:59,920
 So okay.

514
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:02,920
 I can only vote yes.

515
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:09,080
 Well, what I would ask of the commission is that when you have an opportunity to look

516
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:14,240
 at your calendar or if you have something come up, the sooner you let us know in advance

517
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:19,400
 the better off we are because obviously achieving quorum is extremely important to us and we're

518
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:24,360
 working on looking to try and reduce our quorum from five down to four because of the fact

519
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,280
 that we've had some vacancies in the past.

520
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:32,080
 So but just the key thing for us is communication because when we're not able to achieve quorum

521
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,240
 then that impacts us not being able to review applications because there are some things

522
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,040
 we can approve administratively but there are several things that we cannot approve

523
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,040
 administratively.

524
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,040
 So I would just ask that you reach out to Monica or Cameron if you've got something

525
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:49,240
 that's coming up with a schedule conflict because if we're not able to achieve quorum

526
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:54,000
 then we've got to be able to pivot accordingly and we might reach out to you to see if there's

527
00:31:54,000 --> 00:32:00,020
 an alternate date in the month that would work best but so like I said just communicate

528
00:32:00,020 --> 00:32:04,360
 with us frequently and of course we also have the city email addresses that we would ask

529
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,960
 that you make sure you keep up with correspondence on that as well.

530
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,680
 Okay, I believe that concludes our agenda.

531
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:12,680
 Yes, ma'am.

532
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:19,760
 I was just gonna say I really appreciate the note that came to my regular email.

533
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,760
 Those are nice because it just goes oh yeah I gotta go check it.

534
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:23,760
 So that's a nice touch.

535
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:31,080
 But just a friendly reminder that we have to stop emailing that for the city secretary's

536
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:32,080
 office.

537
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,080
 The reminders?

538
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,600
 No, not the reminder but like emailing your personal emails.

539
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:37,600
 The reminder.

540
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:45,400
 The reminder that I sent to your personal email is gonna stop and I'm only gonna be

541
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,200
 sending it to your city email.

542
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:55,640
 Okay, well we kind of, all right, we're asking you not to stop that because that helps us

543
00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:00,080
 make a quorum and so whatever we need to do to the city secretary's office or the city

544
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,160
 council to waive that let's do that.

545
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:07,940
 Is there anybody that checks their email frequently that can just email them?

546
00:33:07,940 --> 00:33:15,560
 Well, I don't know why this is so because the whole thing is posted anyway so it's

547
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:16,560
 not a secret.

548
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:23,240
 So it's to protect you and to not get too off-topic since we're posted for the calendar

549
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,560
 and not so much the email but I would just say that the reason why those email addresses

550
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,600
 have been set up is to offer protection to you because your personal email addresses

551
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:36,680
 would otherwise be subject to open records and so by having a city email address we're

552
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:41,080
 able to push all that communication to you that way and so it's for your protection

553
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:42,400
 as a volunteer.

554
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,720
 But for her, the notification email.

555
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,880
 I understand and we're more than happy to revisit with the city secretary's office and

556
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,840
 if we need to have a future item on the agenda posted to have more in-depth discussion on

557
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:59,160
 this, happy to do so but we can follow up with them and see if anything's changed but

558
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,320
 I know the message has been that we need to utilize the city email addresses.

559
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:04,320
 Okay.

560
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,600
 Would a text notification likewise be subject to an open records act?

561
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,640
 That's a good question.

562
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,040
 We can follow up with the commission and maybe follow up with an email again because we're

563
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,480
 starting to deviate from our posting on the agenda.

564
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:21,240
 Is we've actually, I mean, this year we've already had two meetings that haven't happened

565
00:34:21,240 --> 00:34:25,640
 because of a lack of corn and I really wouldn't want that to be because somehow we're not

566
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:26,640
 getting the message out.

567
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:27,640
 If we can, right?

568
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:28,640
 If we can.

569
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:29,640
 Okay.

570
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:30,640
 I believe that concludes our agenda so we stay in the journey.

571
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:30,640
 Thank you.