WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.600 >> 00:00:02.600 --> 00:00:05.100 Good morning and welcome to this meeting 00:00:05.100 --> 00:00:07.280 of the mobility committee of the city of 00:00:07.280 --> 00:00:08.380 Denton. 00:00:08.380 --> 00:00:11.180 We have a quorum so we'll go ahead and get 00:00:11.180 --> 00:00:12.420 started. 00:00:12.420 --> 00:00:14.280 Items for individual consideration A, 00:00:14.280 --> 00:00:16.080 first is considering approval of the 00:00:16.080 --> 00:00:17.460 minutes of December 15. 00:00:17.460 --> 00:00:19.660 I'll entertain a motion. 00:00:19.660 --> 00:00:22.160 Why don't you go ahead and speak 00:00:22.160 --> 00:00:23.760 rather than make a decision. 00:00:23.760 --> 00:00:25.420 >> I move approval. 00:00:25.420 --> 00:00:28.220 >> 00:00:28.260 --> 00:00:30.200 We have a second? 00:00:30.200 --> 00:00:32.240 >> I second. 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:33.900 >> Motion and seconded. 00:00:33.900 --> 00:00:35.440 All in favor say aye. 00:00:35.440 --> 00:00:36.800 >> Aye. 00:00:36.800 --> 00:00:38.000 >> 00:00:38.000 --> 00:00:39.040 Okay. 00:00:39.040 --> 00:00:39.980 Minutes are approved. 00:00:39.980 --> 00:00:41.780 Thank you. 00:00:41.780 --> 00:00:44.580 Item B, receive a report and hold a 00:00:44.580 --> 00:00:46.780 discussion regarding the city of Denton 00:00:46.780 --> 00:00:47.520 transportation/mobility project status 00:00:47.520 --> 00:00:48.280 report. 00:00:48.280 --> 00:00:50.720 Go ahead. 00:00:57.060 --> 00:00:59.120 >> Mayor Perotem, sir, Mr. 00:00:59.120 --> 00:01:01.660 Poulter is going to be removed via Zoom 00:01:01.660 --> 00:01:04.300 this morning so Logan is going to run the 00:01:04.300 --> 00:01:05.400 slides for him. 00:01:05.400 --> 00:01:06.240 >> 00:01:06.240 --> 00:01:07.160 Morning, John. 00:01:07.160 --> 00:01:08.060 >> 00:01:08.060 --> 00:01:09.140 Morning, everybody. 00:01:09.140 --> 00:01:10.360 My apologies. 00:01:10.360 --> 00:01:12.100 I was in transit. 00:01:12.100 --> 00:01:14.580 So I pulled over to make sure I was 00:01:14.580 --> 00:01:15.400 completely safe. 00:01:15.400 --> 00:01:16.700 >> 00:01:16.700 --> 00:01:17.380 Construction? 00:01:17.380 --> 00:01:18.640 >> 00:01:18.640 --> 00:01:20.140 No, I'm good. 00:01:20.140 --> 00:01:21.680 I'm safe. 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:24.220 So the first project we're going to 00:01:24.220 --> 00:01:26.980 talk about is the plan for the city of 00:01:27.020 --> 00:01:28.080 Denton. 00:01:28.080 --> 00:01:30.860 If you can make it smaller for everybody to 00:01:30.860 --> 00:01:33.420 see everything, that would be good. 00:01:33.420 --> 00:01:34.960 Right there is perfect. 00:01:34.960 --> 00:01:36.100 >> Okay. 00:01:36.100 --> 00:01:37.200 >> 00:01:37.200 --> 00:01:40.540 So right now, if you will roll down to the 00:01:40.540 --> 00:01:43.040 next page, it's the text art report. 00:01:43.040 --> 00:01:45.600 This project is anticipated to be -- we 00:01:45.600 --> 00:01:48.140 were talking originally November, but if you 00:01:48.140 --> 00:01:51.100 roll down to the next page, we're thinking 00:01:51.100 --> 00:01:54.040 that it's probably -- what we're hearing now is 00:01:54.040 --> 00:01:55.340 October instead of November. 00:01:55.380 --> 00:01:57.820 And it's just because they're moving on the 00:01:57.820 --> 00:01:59.860 concrete and asphalt paving for the 00:01:59.860 --> 00:02:02.560 northbound lanes at a faster pace than they 00:02:02.560 --> 00:02:03.460 anticipated. 00:02:03.460 --> 00:02:05.420 So they're reporting internally to the 00:02:05.420 --> 00:02:08.320 county that they think it will be October when 00:02:08.320 --> 00:02:10.260 this project is substantially complete. 00:02:10.260 --> 00:02:11.660 Next project. 00:02:11.660 --> 00:02:13.940 So the 35E mayo project, the 35E 00:02:13.940 --> 00:02:16.860 layout, we're going to talk about that in a 00:02:16.860 --> 00:02:18.400 little bit more detail. 00:02:18.400 --> 00:02:21.000 So we're going to talk about that in a 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:22.580 little bit more detail. 00:02:22.600 --> 00:02:25.740 So the 35E mayo project, the -- 00:02:25.740 --> 00:02:28.040 >> Excuse me, John, I just want to encourage 00:02:28.040 --> 00:02:29.820 councilmembers, since it's just frankly 00:02:29.820 --> 00:02:32.520 difficult for me to tell what you're doing up 00:02:32.520 --> 00:02:35.360 there, I'd say if you have a question, just go 00:02:35.360 --> 00:02:36.720 ahead and speak up. 00:02:36.720 --> 00:02:38.760 It can be a little more informal. 00:02:38.760 --> 00:02:41.200 And I think on the recording, our voices 00:02:41.200 --> 00:02:43.760 are distinct enough from each other that we'll 00:02:43.760 --> 00:02:44.960 be able to follow. 00:02:44.960 --> 00:02:45.760 Thanks. 00:02:45.760 --> 00:02:46.960 Go ahead. 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:50.300 >> Okay, so the mayo project on 35, we're in 00:02:50.340 --> 00:02:53.100 September of '23, and we are anticipating those 00:02:53.100 --> 00:02:56.200 utilities to be completed by September of '23. 00:02:56.200 --> 00:02:58.680 And as you scroll down, you'll see all the 00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:00.440 utilities that we're working on. 00:03:00.440 --> 00:03:03.680 And everybody seems to be confident that they'll 00:03:03.680 --> 00:03:05.480 make that timeframe. 00:03:05.480 --> 00:03:09.760 And again, as we get closer to that September 00:03:09.760 --> 00:03:13.720 timeframe, we will be able to do a modification 00:03:13.720 --> 00:03:16.720 and a 10-year plan to move the dollars from the 00:03:16.720 --> 00:03:20.240 out year to the September '23 timeframe. 00:03:20.260 --> 00:03:24.240 And this, again, does all of the work from Mayhill 00:03:24.240 --> 00:03:26.700 through the brinker overpass and all the way to 00:03:26.700 --> 00:03:30.000 the loop, loop 288, the frontage roads. 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:31.940 So it'll be permanent improvements on the 00:03:31.940 --> 00:03:33.280 frontage roads. 00:03:33.280 --> 00:03:35.340 So in the future, when we come back to do the 00:03:35.340 --> 00:03:38.680 ultimate someday, it won't impact the frontage 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:42.680 roads at all. 00:03:42.680 --> 00:03:45.160 Next slide with more questions. 00:03:45.160 --> 00:03:48.600 The merge, we will have the right of way 00:03:48.620 --> 00:03:50.760 completed this month. 00:03:50.760 --> 00:03:52.560 There was one parcel left we had to get some 00:03:52.560 --> 00:03:55.560 paperwork worked out on. 00:03:55.560 --> 00:03:59.580 We've had our aesthetics meeting with TechStat 00:03:59.580 --> 00:04:02.580 and the city related to getting those aesthetics 00:04:02.580 --> 00:04:06.380 included in the plan set as they design the project. 00:04:06.380 --> 00:04:10.480 So we're ahead of the curve on this section of '35. 00:04:10.480 --> 00:04:13.520 And again, we've got August ready to let it to '23, 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:17.320 and the money is in that fiscal year of September '23. 00:04:17.360 --> 00:04:20.720 So we're right on the number right there. 00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:23.600 That's a $400 million project. 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:25.960 Next slide, unless there's questions. 00:04:25.960 --> 00:04:28.340 And the utilities are the critical path item here, 00:04:28.340 --> 00:04:35.580 but everybody's working together on it. 00:04:35.580 --> 00:04:40.020 Okay, the interim job, it's essentially open to traffic. 00:04:40.020 --> 00:04:42.720 If you'll scroll down to the TechStat report, 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:44.880 the reason we still have it as an active account is 00:04:44.920 --> 00:04:47.360 they're still having to do some work at the 380 00:04:47.360 --> 00:04:50.980 intersection to do some median striping and get 00:04:50.980 --> 00:04:52.720 the signal conduit set up. 00:04:52.720 --> 00:04:59.760 So once that striping and that signal adjustments are done, 00:04:59.760 --> 00:05:03.340 TechStat will close this project out and we can put a 00:05:03.340 --> 00:05:06.100 big green completed on it and move on to the next. 00:05:06.100 --> 00:05:09.680 And I've driven it, a lot of people have drove it. 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:12.380 I feel like it is a safer section now. 00:05:12.400 --> 00:05:15.640 And I think it was a plan that, I think Becky came up with it. 00:05:15.640 --> 00:05:19.380 But good job all the way around for everybody. 00:05:19.380 --> 00:05:21.860 >> If you hadn't said that, I was going to say it myself. 00:05:21.860 --> 00:05:25.420 I also have the question, do we know, my experience also, 00:05:25.420 --> 00:05:28.620 it doesn't seem to be backing up there now. 00:05:28.620 --> 00:05:31.620 But do we know like objectively? 00:05:31.620 --> 00:05:37.040 Now we have two people saying, it looks like it's working. 00:05:37.060 --> 00:05:42.340 If we got any kind of other way to assess? 00:05:42.340 --> 00:05:46.880 >> Yes sir, so if you drive like going northbound, 00:05:46.880 --> 00:05:49.840 as you come around the merge into that situation, 00:05:49.840 --> 00:05:52.280 you'll see that they put up a sign. 00:05:52.280 --> 00:05:56.960 That's a yellow sign that says, congestion when flashing. 00:05:56.960 --> 00:06:02.020 And I've checked with Travis and TechStat like two days ago. 00:06:02.020 --> 00:06:06.360 And I've asked them, has that been triggered since the project 00:06:06.400 --> 00:06:08.160 was opened and they said, no. 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:13.200 So it watches for congestion that was occurring before 00:06:13.200 --> 00:06:17.940 and they warn you and it hasn't been needed to activate 00:06:17.940 --> 00:06:19.400 since they opened the traffic. 00:06:19.400 --> 00:06:25.120 >> Wow, that's a great answer, thank you. 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:27.320 >> Okay, I think I'm good on that one. 00:06:27.320 --> 00:06:29.420 All right, so 35 North. 00:06:29.420 --> 00:06:34.260 Again, we're in the right of acquisition process. 00:06:34.260 --> 00:06:35.620 We're almost done with that. 00:06:35.660 --> 00:06:38.420 It should be done by March of this year. 00:06:38.420 --> 00:06:42.760 We roll into the utility relocations. 00:06:42.760 --> 00:06:46.000 If you scroll down, you'll note that there are significant 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:49.540 utilities in this corridor as well that need to be worked on. 00:06:49.540 --> 00:06:55.280 And we're looking at being ready to go by December of '23 00:06:55.280 --> 00:06:57.240 from ready to let. 00:06:57.240 --> 00:07:01.380 And this is a $800 million job. 00:07:01.420 --> 00:07:06.880 So when it's ready to let, you may move one of the sections at 00:07:06.880 --> 00:07:09.720 a time because there's three sections here and they want to 00:07:09.720 --> 00:07:12.320 let them separately because if they go above a certain dollar 00:07:12.320 --> 00:07:17.240 amount, they have to do a design build and they don't want to do 00:07:17.240 --> 00:07:18.640 a design build. 00:07:18.640 --> 00:07:20.540 But we're moving on this project. 00:07:20.540 --> 00:07:24.680 It's on track. 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:27.280 And let me know if y'all can't hear me now. 00:07:27.280 --> 00:07:30.320 I'll get closer but it will make my head look like a pumpkin. 00:07:30.340 --> 00:07:32.740 You're audible to me. 00:07:32.740 --> 00:07:34.480 Anyone else? 00:07:34.480 --> 00:07:35.920 Any difficulties? 00:07:35.920 --> 00:07:38.320 >> Yeah, John, we were having a little trouble hearing you from 00:07:38.320 --> 00:07:40.860 time to time so if you could just speak into the mic as much 00:07:40.860 --> 00:07:42.300 as you can, that would be great. 00:07:42.300 --> 00:07:44.660 >> I don't even know where the mic is on my computer. 00:07:44.660 --> 00:07:47.560 So I'll just face forward. 00:07:47.560 --> 00:07:50.240 >> It's usually at the top of the screen. 00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:52.200 >> Okay. 00:07:52.200 --> 00:07:55.480 On the 3520 Frontage Roads, if you'll scroll down, 00:07:55.480 --> 00:07:57.580 I think this is the one where we're having a little bit of 00:07:57.600 --> 00:08:02.040 trouble with maybe, yeah. 00:08:02.040 --> 00:08:11.620 So we were trying to finalize the contract with HNTB but since 00:08:11.620 --> 00:08:13.720 we submitted this report to y'all, 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:17.200 TechStock notified us today or yesterday that they've 00:08:17.200 --> 00:08:19.860 terminated the negotiations with HNTB because they couldn't get 00:08:19.860 --> 00:08:26.640 to a number that both sides like so they are starting new 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:31.400 negotiations with a new firm and I'll send out the electric, 00:08:31.400 --> 00:08:34.940 electronic version of this before y'all post it up on the 00:08:34.940 --> 00:08:37.540 website to make sure it's the most current information but 00:08:37.540 --> 00:08:42.020 they've terminated negotiations with HNTB so it'll be a little 00:08:42.020 --> 00:08:45.760 bit of time before we get somebody to do the design work 00:08:45.760 --> 00:08:49.400 on this project. 00:08:49.400 --> 00:08:51.220 And that's pretty much it on that. 00:08:51.260 --> 00:08:57.300 Next, we're going to move to questions. 00:08:57.300 --> 00:09:06.840 All right, this is the US 380 section under construction. 00:09:06.840 --> 00:09:08.840 Essentially, if you roll to the next report, 00:09:08.840 --> 00:09:10.880 I mean to the next page. 00:09:19.860 --> 00:09:27.900 They're fixing to switch over to the Phase 2 on this project 00:09:27.900 --> 00:09:32.300 because they're getting faster on the improvements on Phase 1 00:09:32.300 --> 00:09:35.700 than they were anticipating so they're moving into Phase 2 00:09:35.700 --> 00:09:39.240 quicker than they anticipated and so for the entire length of 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:43.880 the project, they'll be working on the westbound side as well 00:09:43.920 --> 00:09:52.660 as the eastbound and the same on this project with the next 00:09:52.660 --> 00:09:55.960 contractor, the barricades are set. 00:09:55.960 --> 00:09:58.960 If you roll to the text that report on the next page. 00:09:58.960 --> 00:10:06.940 >> This one? 00:10:06.940 --> 00:10:12.080 >> I think you went past it. 00:10:12.100 --> 00:10:14.340 I think there's a page before that. 00:10:14.340 --> 00:10:15.720 Yes, right here. 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:21.020 Oh, okay, yeah, so on mine we've got a construction report 00:10:21.020 --> 00:10:27.820 now for 380, no, no, I apologize, it's the next page. 00:10:27.820 --> 00:10:32.100 So on 380 east, the contractor is going to be working both in 00:10:32.100 --> 00:10:41.100 Phase 1 and Phase 2, but the Phase 2 is the 10-foot sidewalk 00:10:41.140 --> 00:10:44.580 and the temporary construction both on eastbound and westbound. 00:10:44.580 --> 00:10:47.740 So they'll be working on both directions of the road, 00:10:47.740 --> 00:10:51.120 but they're primarily doing the eastbound roadway improvements 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:54.420 and the westbound will be the pedestrian improvements. 00:10:54.420 --> 00:11:04.220 So on the feasibility, we are waiting for crossroads and 00:11:04.220 --> 00:11:09.440 little land to respond to text that essentially they in the 00:11:09.460 --> 00:11:14.700 public hearing for the feasibility, they requested that 00:11:14.700 --> 00:11:18.400 an economic impact study be done to the impact to those 00:11:18.400 --> 00:11:22.340 communities for a loss of development along the corridor 00:11:22.340 --> 00:11:25.140 that is being proposed. 00:11:25.140 --> 00:11:29.660 But Denton County has met with both Little Elm and Crossroads 00:11:29.660 --> 00:11:34.160 and told them that they would cooperate with those two 00:11:34.160 --> 00:11:38.960 communities to find a new corridor for their economic 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:43.640 impact study, and so they need to communicate that to TxDOT 00:11:43.640 --> 00:11:46.440 because we're conceding the point, the county is conceding 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:48.940 the point that it is an impact, so we don't need to do a study 00:11:48.940 --> 00:11:51.300 to determine if there's an impact. 00:11:51.300 --> 00:11:54.680 And so once they turn those statements in, TxDOT will close 00:11:54.680 --> 00:11:59.880 out the feasibility study and we'll move into the environmental 00:11:59.880 --> 00:12:03.480 phase of the blue section. 00:12:03.520 --> 00:12:11.600 And just recently last Tuesday, Denton County hired Chico Cope 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:15.700 to begin the environmental clearance for the brown section 00:12:15.700 --> 00:12:21.740 to add frontage roads to that section of 288. 00:12:21.740 --> 00:12:27.040 Unless there's questions, that's all I got. 00:12:27.040 --> 00:12:31.820 Okay, 288 West, this is the section further out. 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:36.480 Our design concept conference on February 11th, basically setting 00:12:36.480 --> 00:12:41.100 up the parameters that which we will design the project by. 00:12:41.100 --> 00:12:44.620 Took a while to get it set up, but Chico Cope got their 00:12:44.620 --> 00:12:48.640 marching orders, and like I tell Becky from time to time 00:12:48.640 --> 00:12:52.260 when we talk, the county's driving the boat on this, 00:12:52.260 --> 00:12:56.540 but the number one stakeholder out there obviously is the city 00:12:56.540 --> 00:12:59.240 because all of it's city and you've got a lot going on there, 00:12:59.280 --> 00:13:04.320 so anything we do, we make sure that Becky, from the county 00:13:04.320 --> 00:13:06.480 standpoint, that Becky and the city are included 00:13:06.480 --> 00:13:10.580 in those conversations. 00:13:10.580 --> 00:13:18.800 Next, okay, 1515, we had our kickoff for this one on February 00:13:18.800 --> 00:13:25.400 15th, and basically we began preliminary design work for the 00:13:25.400 --> 00:13:27.940 bridge layout, that's going to be the critical path item there 00:13:27.960 --> 00:13:32.300 by Bonnie Bray and 35W, and essentially we went ahead and 00:13:32.300 --> 00:13:38.420 started doing the design work in advance of our environmental 00:13:38.420 --> 00:13:41.720 clearance because we're fairly confident that the technical 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:44.520 reports will be accepted and no major changes, 00:13:44.520 --> 00:13:48.320 so we're trying to buy some time on this project by speeding up 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:51.460 the design before we get the re-eval done, 00:13:51.460 --> 00:13:55.260 so I think we're good on this one. 00:13:55.260 --> 00:13:57.740 Yeah, I think we're good. 00:13:57.760 --> 00:14:04.540 We hired half-associates for this project at last Tuesday's 00:14:04.540 --> 00:14:08.720 court, and we're working with them to get a scope and fee, 00:14:08.720 --> 00:14:11.780 and as soon as we get them on contract, again, 00:14:11.780 --> 00:14:16.960 this is primarily a city of Denton and Crum stakeholders, 00:14:16.960 --> 00:14:21.500 and so we'll include, the county will include both entities in 00:14:21.500 --> 00:14:23.820 the kickoff meetings to make sure that what we're doing is 00:14:23.820 --> 00:14:27.660 what everybody wants us to do. 00:14:27.700 --> 00:14:30.660 Next. 00:14:30.660 --> 00:14:34.500 All right, so this one, unless you got questions, 00:14:34.500 --> 00:14:37.440 you know, Becky, I think, is working with Travis, 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:39.840 and we've got some calculations done, 00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:43.320 and we're just working through the best path forward on that, 00:14:43.320 --> 00:14:50.620 and I don't know if Becky wants to add anything to that or not. 00:14:50.620 --> 00:14:52.620 John, I believe you covered it. 00:14:52.660 --> 00:14:58.560 City staff has met in the field with TxDOT to review the 00:14:58.560 --> 00:15:00.600 construction that needs to happen on the roadway. 00:15:00.600 --> 00:15:03.000 We're working through that collaboration. 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:07.000 Daniel Kramer is leading that charge from our Deputy Director 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:09.280 of Operations for Streets, Drainage, and Traffic, 00:15:09.280 --> 00:15:12.340 so we're coordinating, really working through that process, 00:15:12.340 --> 00:15:16.380 so we hope to have that resolved in the next few weeks, 00:15:16.380 --> 00:15:20.480 but for sure, the on-the-ground visit has already taken place 00:15:20.520 --> 00:15:24.360 based on the cores that were collected for that area. 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:34.840 Sorry, so what's the completion timing? 00:15:34.840 --> 00:15:37.540 There's currently not a completion schedule. 00:15:37.540 --> 00:15:41.500 What the process happened was TxDOT had to go out 00:15:41.500 --> 00:15:44.740 and complete cores along this area and actually do pavement 00:15:44.740 --> 00:15:50.080 cores to find out, you know, what was the actual surface 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:55.180 below the asphalt top, so they've done that. 00:15:55.180 --> 00:15:58.560 They have presented that information to city staff, 00:15:58.560 --> 00:16:02.260 and a walk-through was held week before last, 00:16:02.260 --> 00:16:04.260 really to walk through that area, 00:16:04.260 --> 00:16:06.640 look at the pavement markings on the ground. 00:16:06.640 --> 00:16:10.000 Now city staff is evaluating that to make sure that we're 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:13.580 in alignment with the proposed construction that TxDOT is 00:16:13.580 --> 00:16:18.420 proposing, being that it's not exactly a complete rebuild. 00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:23.020 It's a different process that they're working through. 00:16:23.020 --> 00:16:26.460 Once the agreement has been made between TxDOT and the city, 00:16:26.460 --> 00:16:31.460 then TxDOT will move forward with the design of those plans 00:16:31.460 --> 00:16:34.860 and then work through that construction timeframe. 00:16:34.860 --> 00:16:37.140 So until those decisions are made, 00:16:37.140 --> 00:16:40.800 city staff has not had that opportunity to set the timeframe. 00:16:40.800 --> 00:16:43.640 It's going to be based on TxDOT's schedule. 00:16:43.680 --> 00:16:49.940 Just to add to that a little bit, the path we're taking is a 00:16:49.940 --> 00:16:53.740 maintenance path because Travis is going to be able to get out 00:16:53.740 --> 00:16:58.880 there sooner and with the lesser degree of design work and if he 00:16:58.880 --> 00:17:02.020 goes through his maintenance, and TxDOT has agreed to use 00:17:02.020 --> 00:17:04.320 maintenance dollars to get this done. 00:17:04.320 --> 00:17:09.400 So we were talking, you know, 18 months or so to get it to where 00:17:09.400 --> 00:17:10.400 we can go to construction. 00:17:10.440 --> 00:17:14.140 We're talking about several months now instead of, 00:17:14.140 --> 00:17:16.900 you know, a year and a half. 00:17:16.900 --> 00:17:20.280 >> To go, to get to the start of construction. 00:17:20.280 --> 00:17:23.820 >> Correct, because the one thing that's happened since we 00:17:23.820 --> 00:17:30.120 started this opportunity is that TxDOT's kind of shut the door 00:17:30.120 --> 00:17:34.320 on any kind of turn back programs that reduce capacity. 00:17:34.320 --> 00:17:38.900 We're not reducing capacity, but TxDOT knows that they have, 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:40.800 they're going to have to make these improvements whether or 00:17:40.800 --> 00:17:44.100 not the city then takes these projects off system. 00:17:44.100 --> 00:17:48.300 So they're less worried about the agreement between the city 00:17:48.300 --> 00:17:52.000 and the state now and they just know they've got to get the 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:53.880 project done quick. 00:17:53.880 --> 00:17:56.580 >> And Mayor Perot, just for context, we're only talking 00:17:56.580 --> 00:18:00.580 about the portion that is south of Hickory where the recent 00:18:00.580 --> 00:18:04.520 pack four phases one and two project was completed with the 00:18:04.560 --> 00:18:09.520 water sewer and drainage in that area that's the specific area 00:18:09.520 --> 00:18:12.760 that I'm referring to with the comments I just made. 00:18:12.760 --> 00:18:15.100 >> Yeah, I appreciate that. 00:18:15.100 --> 00:18:17.760 You know, and I totally hear that we don't have timing 00:18:17.760 --> 00:18:22.400 because we haven't gotten to an agreement, you know, on exactly 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:25.680 the plan objectives and so on. 00:18:25.680 --> 00:18:28.540 But can you know, can you just help us because we have to 00:18:28.540 --> 00:18:30.920 respond to constituents? 00:18:30.940 --> 00:18:36.220 Is it likely to be multiple years? 00:18:36.220 --> 00:18:39.220 >> No, sir, I think that, I think with this type of work and 00:18:39.220 --> 00:18:42.900 the fact that TxDOT is going to use their maintenance to do it, 00:18:42.900 --> 00:18:46.220 that we could probably, because they're going to know what, 00:18:46.220 --> 00:18:49.060 we're going to know what they think they want to do and we're 00:18:49.060 --> 00:18:52.840 going to press them to do, you know, 30, 40% more than that 00:18:52.840 --> 00:18:55.040 anyway, just our contingency. 00:18:55.040 --> 00:18:59.200 And then we think by spring we can have these guys rolling 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:05.620 because the design for a rehab is far less difficult than the 00:19:05.620 --> 00:19:07.180 design for a reconstruction. 00:19:07.180 --> 00:19:10.660 >> Yeah, no, I get that as far as when to get started. 00:19:10.660 --> 00:19:15.020 And then is that, from that point on, what's the sort of, 00:19:15.020 --> 00:19:17.720 I'm sorry to, you know, be a bit of a problem. 00:19:17.720 --> 00:19:22.540 What's the sort of range of plausible outcomes for, 00:19:22.540 --> 00:19:25.240 you know, the end date? 00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:27.560 >> This type of work would be like months, I think. 00:19:27.600 --> 00:19:33.480 Not like a year, I think it would be done in a paving season. 00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:35.880 >> Okay, that's helpful to understand, thank you. 00:19:35.880 --> 00:19:40.080 >> And Mayor Pritz, we are going to be continuing to work with 00:19:40.080 --> 00:19:44.280 TxDOT to make sure that we're all in alignment. 00:19:44.280 --> 00:19:47.620 So part of the walkthrough process was to evaluate the 00:19:47.620 --> 00:19:52.420 areas of which TxDOT anticipated needed to be repaired versus 00:19:52.420 --> 00:19:56.260 the areas of which the city believed there were opportunities 00:19:56.300 --> 00:19:58.260 to also make repairs on. 00:19:58.260 --> 00:20:00.600 So that's a collaboration, making sure everyone's in 00:20:00.600 --> 00:20:03.700 alignment and we're in agreement with the construction 00:20:03.700 --> 00:20:08.940 that needs to happen, not only EGLE itself, but also Elm and 00:20:08.940 --> 00:20:12.520 Locust, like I mentioned, to just south of Hickory. 00:20:12.520 --> 00:20:15.480 And those agreements, once those are in alignment, 00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:19.320 then we'll work forward with making sure that they have that 00:20:19.320 --> 00:20:22.760 plan to actually execute that through their maintenance 00:20:22.760 --> 00:20:24.520 program like John is referring to. 00:20:24.560 --> 00:20:28.500 So we're still in the phase of making sure that we're all in 00:20:28.500 --> 00:20:32.160 alignment based on the data that's been collected because 00:20:32.160 --> 00:20:35.300 obviously, you know, there may be things that TxDOT didn't 00:20:35.300 --> 00:20:37.900 necessarily think needed to be repaired, but the city does 00:20:37.900 --> 00:20:40.540 think needs to be repaired, or vice versa. 00:20:40.540 --> 00:20:47.280 So it's not a whole, you know, from beginning to end that every 00:20:47.280 --> 00:20:51.120 single portion of those roadways are in agreement that need to be 00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:54.820 completely repaired when I say that I mean completely rebuild. 00:20:54.820 --> 00:20:57.000 So we're walking through that process with them. 00:20:57.000 --> 00:21:00.860 >> Yeah, I understand. 00:21:00.860 --> 00:21:03.000 You know, you get the gist of where I'm coming from, but it's 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:07.640 just really hard answering the people operating those 00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:10.700 businesses along there. 00:21:10.700 --> 00:21:13.880 Anybody else? 00:21:13.880 --> 00:21:18.420 Okay. 00:21:18.420 --> 00:21:20.380 >> I think the next- >> Councilmember Byrd, I believe, 00:21:20.420 --> 00:21:27.880 is going to speak. 00:21:27.880 --> 00:21:32.920 >> Okay, I have it, I have it. 00:21:32.920 --> 00:21:38.660 I need for you all to go back to the slide that talks about the 00:21:38.660 --> 00:21:43.900 380 corridor and the work being done up and around where the 00:21:43.940 --> 00:21:54.180 frontage road is, where the 288 going north, and I do understand 00:21:54.180 --> 00:22:04.900 that the work is proceeding on 380 and moving west, and I don't 00:22:04.900 --> 00:22:09.640 understand, I don't have in my mindset about how long will that 00:22:09.660 --> 00:22:14.640 particular portion take, is that the lit date that we see? 00:22:14.640 --> 00:22:16.980 >> Are you talking about the blue section across the lake that 00:22:16.980 --> 00:22:18.840 has ended the loop? 00:22:18.840 --> 00:22:25.640 >> The 380 project and going up to 288 and looping around. 00:22:25.640 --> 00:22:28.080 >> So you're talking about the feasibility, that slide right 00:22:28.080 --> 00:22:29.580 there, yes. 00:22:29.580 --> 00:22:35.420 >> That's it, yeah, 380 feasibility study, and I don't 00:22:35.460 --> 00:22:40.560 see any dates or anything on there, but I am wanting to just 00:22:40.560 --> 00:22:47.140 kind of get a ball figure idea of when will it finish up at the 00:22:47.140 --> 00:22:52.380 288, 380 section, I mean, how long is this going to take? 00:22:52.380 --> 00:22:57.740 >> Okay, so I think there is a project that's under construction 00:22:57.740 --> 00:23:03.380 right now, if you'll move up the report to the, move up to the 00:23:03.420 --> 00:23:08.760 2, 380s that are under construction, go for one more, 00:23:08.760 --> 00:23:11.800 keep one more, yeah, so this right here ties in, this right 00:23:11.800 --> 00:23:15.700 there ties into the loop with the interim improvements, and it 00:23:15.700 --> 00:23:19.400 has a December 23 completion date, so all the work that we're 00:23:19.400 --> 00:23:24.940 doing to add six lanes to 380 from the loop to 377, that work 00:23:24.940 --> 00:23:28.380 will be done December of next year. 00:23:28.380 --> 00:23:31.520 Now if you're talking about the eastern section, if you'll 00:23:31.540 --> 00:23:34.140 scroll down, we have a completion date on that as 00:23:34.140 --> 00:23:38.520 well, because we have the let date, so we're talking about 00:23:38.520 --> 00:23:43.960 January 22, they said it would be 36 months, so you're talking 00:23:43.960 --> 00:23:51.740 about January 25, 22, 23, 24, 25 for it to be complete, and 00:23:51.740 --> 00:23:55.540 that's adding the six lanes and the raised median and all the 00:23:55.560 --> 00:24:01.540 interchanges at Nabotel, Legacy, 423, and 720. 00:24:01.540 --> 00:24:11.580 >> Okay, okay, and then on that 288 portion of that project-- 00:24:11.580 --> 00:24:15.160 >> Okay, the one that goes around the, that we just hired-- 00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:18.320 >> Yeah, the loop, yeah, the north loop, yeah. 00:24:18.320 --> 00:24:22.020 >> Yeah, so if you'll go to the feasibility page-- 00:24:22.020 --> 00:24:23.620 >> Right there, that's it. 00:24:23.660 --> 00:24:26.760 >> Okay, so Denton County hired Pacheco Cope to do the 00:24:26.760 --> 00:24:31.540 environmental study to put frontage roads and turn that part 00:24:31.540 --> 00:24:36.180 of the loop into a freeway so that the businesses can attach 00:24:36.180 --> 00:24:39.380 to the frontage road and not directly to the main lanes, and 00:24:39.380 --> 00:24:44.720 we will have those people on contract in the next 30 days, 00:24:44.720 --> 00:24:48.760 and we are making, obviously, y'all are, from the county 00:24:48.760 --> 00:24:52.160 standpoint, that's where a lot of pressure from the city is 00:24:52.180 --> 00:24:56.460 getting, and so we'll make sure that we have PK very closely 00:24:56.460 --> 00:24:59.700 aligned with Becky and your development services as we move 00:24:59.700 --> 00:25:02.000 forward. 00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:05.640 >> Are frontage roads built first before the main part of 00:25:05.640 --> 00:25:07.140 the highway? 00:25:07.140 --> 00:25:09.800 >> So right now you've got the main lanes out there on this 00:25:09.800 --> 00:25:12.900 section of Loop 288. 00:25:12.900 --> 00:25:15.420 There's places in the other parts of the county and other 00:25:15.420 --> 00:25:20.280 parts of the region where frontage roads are first and then 00:25:20.320 --> 00:25:24.620 the main lanes come in, like on the Dallas North Toll Road, or 00:25:24.620 --> 00:25:28.260 it's like 35W where it's got main lanes and no frontage roads 00:25:28.260 --> 00:25:30.800 or we're coming back putting frontage roads on them or the 00:25:30.800 --> 00:25:36.340 loop, so it just depends on what people did back in the day. 00:25:36.340 --> 00:25:39.740 We're just trying to fix what's not there, which in this case 00:25:39.740 --> 00:25:41.340 is the frontage roads. 00:25:41.340 --> 00:25:43.600 >> Okay, thank you so much, I appreciate that. 00:25:43.600 --> 00:25:47.580 That gives me a better perspective of some 00:25:47.600 --> 00:25:50.720 conversations that are being had with some developers and you 00:25:50.720 --> 00:25:53.240 know, and just the growth more towards that way. 00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:57.480 I have a question here that a constituent asked. 00:25:57.480 --> 00:25:59.080 Is it okay if I ask this question? 00:25:59.080 --> 00:26:02.000 I don't know where it belongs in the conversation, but while I 00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:03.460 have the floor. 00:26:03.460 --> 00:26:10.660 She said, "I did have a question for Raymond, though," you know, 00:26:10.660 --> 00:26:12.700 I'm a teacher, I've got to throw my little commas and 00:26:12.700 --> 00:26:15.200 everything in there, I'm sorry. 00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:19.780 I did have a question for Raymond, though, if it could be 00:26:19.780 --> 00:26:24.120 asked, and the question is, "Due to a portion of Bonnie Bray 00:26:24.120 --> 00:26:30.020 being closed and number seven, I guess it's the bus route, is 00:26:30.020 --> 00:26:35.160 rerouted, are the bus stops from Panhandle to University and 00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:38.600 University going towards 35 being bypassed again, like they 00:26:38.600 --> 00:26:42.700 were a few years ago," so this sounds like this is apparently a 00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:47.260 DCTA question or city question. 00:26:47.260 --> 00:26:49.800 I didn't know where to put that in the grand scheme of things 00:26:49.800 --> 00:26:51.040 here. 00:26:51.040 --> 00:26:55.180 >> Sure, Councilmember Bird, we will take that question and work 00:26:55.180 --> 00:26:59.540 with Raymond to find out the exact locations that this 00:26:59.540 --> 00:27:04.380 constituent is referring to and get that question clarified, so 00:27:04.380 --> 00:27:05.620 that's not a problem. 00:27:05.620 --> 00:27:07.460 >> Okay, thank you very much. 00:27:07.460 --> 00:27:08.480 All right, my time is done. 00:27:08.520 --> 00:27:13.500 That's one from McGuire, anything else? 00:27:13.500 --> 00:27:15.720 You're ready to keep going? 00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:20.940 >> I'd like to jump in, Logan, you read my mind with this slide 00:27:20.940 --> 00:27:24.440 there, just to talk a little bit about Phase 2 on Elm and Locust 00:27:24.440 --> 00:27:27.480 and just make you all aware of the conversations we're having. 00:27:27.480 --> 00:27:30.780 We know there's a lot of complicated issues going on 00:27:30.780 --> 00:27:33.520 here, obviously we have the water/wastewater project that 00:27:33.520 --> 00:27:35.940 we're all hearing about, that part has been delayed for a 00:27:35.980 --> 00:27:38.420 number of years, we have the funding, we're ready to roll, 00:27:38.420 --> 00:27:41.920 we're just waiting on drainage issues and the road 00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:43.160 construction there. 00:27:43.160 --> 00:27:46.060 The drainage issues are significant, so we had a 00:27:46.060 --> 00:27:48.660 conversation with John just on Friday about how can we work 00:27:48.660 --> 00:27:51.900 with TechStock to look at funding for the drainage, where 00:27:51.900 --> 00:27:54.340 are we going to find other funding for drainage, because the 00:27:54.340 --> 00:27:58.300 drainage is kind of the linchpin to do a lot of the roadway and 00:27:58.300 --> 00:28:00.780 the water/wastewater project, so I think this is something, 00:28:00.780 --> 00:28:02.580 obviously when we have the turn back conversations and 00:28:02.580 --> 00:28:04.880 everything else, that we're going to be talking about 00:28:04.900 --> 00:28:07.780 frequently over the next few months, I'm sure, and just want 00:28:07.780 --> 00:28:10.520 to let you all know that we are actively working on trying to 00:28:10.520 --> 00:28:12.880 coincide all these things because they all fit together, 00:28:12.880 --> 00:28:16.580 and the drainage piece really is kind of that first thing we 00:28:16.580 --> 00:28:21.160 need to figure out as we move forward on those projects. 00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:22.300 >> Thank you. 00:28:22.300 --> 00:28:33.100 >> And the glossary of terms is the last page, so unless you 00:28:33.140 --> 00:28:36.080 have questions, that's pretty much it for my side of the 00:28:36.080 --> 00:28:38.100 story. 00:28:38.100 --> 00:28:41.780 >> You're not going to read the glossary? 00:28:41.780 --> 00:28:45.980 >> Only to put you to sleep. 00:28:45.980 --> 00:28:47.280 >> Don't say that, we were up late last night. 00:28:47.280 --> 00:28:48.820 That'd be a little too easy. 00:28:48.820 --> 00:28:49.860 >> Sorry. 00:28:49.860 --> 00:28:52.020 >> All right, well, thank you very much. 00:28:52.020 --> 00:28:55.000 Any other questions? 00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:57.460 Great, thanks, John. 00:28:57.460 --> 00:29:02.400 We'll move on to item C, receive a report and hold a discussion 00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:06.980 regarding the consideration of removing DCTA's wayside horn on 00:29:06.980 --> 00:29:09.000 Shady Oaks Drive. 00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:13.480 >> Okay, and I'll just stay up here because I'm giving the 00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:15.820 presentation. 00:29:15.820 --> 00:29:18.660 Good morning, hope everybody's doing well. 00:29:18.660 --> 00:29:20.680 Let me share my screen. 00:29:20.680 --> 00:29:31.800 All righty, so this is for the removal of the DCTA wayside horn 00:29:31.840 --> 00:29:34.240 on Shady Oaks Drive. 00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:38.400 A little background, in March of 2021, staff was contacted by a 00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:41.680 resident concerned about the volume of the wayside horn at 00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:43.980 the Shady Oaks Crossing. 00:29:43.980 --> 00:29:48.340 This intersection is currently a quiet zone implemented by DCTA. 00:29:48.340 --> 00:29:54.820 It is a quiet zone approved by the FRA. 00:29:54.820 --> 00:29:59.620 This railroad line is maintained by DCTA for the A train, and 00:29:59.660 --> 00:30:03.200 there are currently three DCTA wayside horns within city limits 00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:06.800 at Sycamore, Shady Oaks, and Mayhill. 00:30:06.800 --> 00:30:14.380 So we've been working with DCTA's consultant who also works 00:30:14.380 --> 00:30:19.440 with the FRA on the feasibility of removing the wayside horn. 00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:22.380 They confirmed that the wayside horn could be removed, but other 00:30:22.380 --> 00:30:25.380 requirements would have to be met to maintain the FRA quiet 00:30:25.380 --> 00:30:27.860 zone requirements. 00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:31.520 So there's a few ways that you can maintain a quiet zone, and 00:30:31.520 --> 00:30:35.900 you can implement putting in medians across so people can't 00:30:35.900 --> 00:30:42.800 cross the intersection, but due to Curly Street and the Longhorn 00:30:42.800 --> 00:30:48.000 business over here on the bottom part of the map, that is not 00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:51.240 going to be a feasible solution. 00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:55.620 So their recommendation is installing a four-quadrant gate. 00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:58.620 Four-quadrant gate systems are gate at the crossing that 00:30:58.620 --> 00:31:02.920 sufficiently blocks, fully block traffic, highway traffic, 00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:05.800 goodness, from entering the crossing when the gates are 00:31:05.800 --> 00:31:09.220 lowered, including at least one gate for each direction of 00:31:09.220 --> 00:31:11.500 traffic on each approach. 00:31:11.500 --> 00:31:14.540 So there are currently three intersections that have four 00:31:14.540 --> 00:31:17.940 quadrant gates in the city limits, Morse Street, Duncan, 00:31:17.940 --> 00:31:20.340 and Parker's Page Road. 00:31:20.340 --> 00:31:23.040 And then you can see over here what the four-quadrant gate 00:31:23.080 --> 00:31:28.020 looks like. 00:31:28.020 --> 00:31:31.480 So the cost estimate for installing the two exits and 00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:36.260 removing the existing horn is about $126,000. 00:31:36.260 --> 00:31:39.220 This is an estimate and depends on material costs, including 00:31:39.220 --> 00:31:41.900 design and project management costs. 00:31:41.900 --> 00:31:45.560 If the mobility committee chooses to move forward, funding 00:31:45.560 --> 00:31:47.960 considerations will be put during the budget 00:31:47.960 --> 00:31:51.100 consideration process. 00:31:51.140 --> 00:31:55.680 The timeline, so this will be once the wayside horn, or once 00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:59.180 we start construction, you'll get a 60-day notice, construction 00:31:59.180 --> 00:32:03.580 time, and then 20-day notice to establish that does not begin 00:32:03.580 --> 00:32:07.060 until construction has completed. 00:32:07.060 --> 00:32:10.380 So the next step is receive and address direction provided by 00:32:10.380 --> 00:32:11.820 mobility committee. 00:32:11.820 --> 00:32:16.400 So we're just looking for a recommendation from you guys on 00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:19.040 how to proceed forward. 00:32:19.060 --> 00:32:21.460 Just to clarify, this is just one resident who's 00:32:21.460 --> 00:32:25.200 reached out to us. 00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:29.680 >> I'm sorry, what did the resident say? 00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:32.680 >> They're concerned, so they live close to the Shady Oaks 00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:37.840 Drive Crossing, and they can hear the wayside horn, and it's 00:32:37.840 --> 00:32:41.460 very loud, and they're wondering if we can remove it. 00:32:41.460 --> 00:32:43.480 >> Oh, yeah, okay. 00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:46.020 I'm sure you've heard from more than one resident over the years 00:32:46.020 --> 00:32:48.500 on that. 00:32:48.520 --> 00:32:49.520 >> We have not. 00:32:49.520 --> 00:32:52.760 We have only heard from one, yes. 00:32:52.760 --> 00:32:57.200 That has contacted us directly and has been in contact with CMO. 00:32:57.200 --> 00:33:02.580 >> I can tell you that's like an applause line to talk about 00:33:02.580 --> 00:33:03.900 getting rid of that. 00:33:03.900 --> 00:33:06.540 I'll take questions and comments from other members, 00:33:06.540 --> 00:33:07.720 and I've got it. 00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:09.620 >> Vicki Burritt here. 00:33:09.620 --> 00:33:13.260 You all have actually received two, for sure, because I'm also 00:33:13.260 --> 00:33:17.820 one of those other people that have been affected by that horn, 00:33:17.860 --> 00:33:21.400 and I don't live near that area, but I know that I can hear that 00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:26.500 horn because it's a different sound, it's a different sound 00:33:26.500 --> 00:33:31.260 from when the, you know, the regular train comes through. 00:33:31.260 --> 00:33:32.300 >> Yes, ma'am. 00:33:32.300 --> 00:33:35.040 >> And so if I'm standing in my backyard, and this has happened 00:33:35.040 --> 00:33:40.320 to me several times, but because I don't live right there, but I 00:33:40.320 --> 00:33:45.180 know if I can hear that horn from where I live, others are 00:33:45.220 --> 00:33:50.960 just not, I don't think that they're just, or, you know, as 00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:53.900 annoyed about it as this gentleman is apparently, but I 00:33:53.900 --> 00:33:57.800 know that they're probably affected by it. 00:33:57.800 --> 00:34:01.440 I've heard that horn before several times, so I also added 00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:08.280 my name to the list of, you know, as a complainant. 00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:09.300 >> Yes, ma'am. 00:34:09.300 --> 00:34:13.840 >> So I would definitely like to, did you have any additional? 00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:16.720 >> Oh, I mean, I just want to lend my support to what I think 00:34:16.720 --> 00:34:20.020 you were about to say, which is you live pretty far from that. 00:34:20.020 --> 00:34:21.260 >> I do, I live pretty far from there. 00:34:21.260 --> 00:34:22.960 >> From that crossing, and if you can hear it, that's loud. 00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:23.980 >> I can hear it. 00:34:23.980 --> 00:34:27.600 1230 at night, I'm sitting on my back porch, and I said I can 00:34:27.600 --> 00:34:28.600 hear that horn. 00:34:28.600 --> 00:34:29.960 >> Yes, and if you're hearing the wayside horn at that hour, 00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:32.560 it's because DCTA is doing maintenance on the railroad 00:34:32.560 --> 00:34:35.760 track, and they're required to sound the horn for safety 00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:36.760 reasons. 00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:38.000 >> Right, I understand. 00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:42.440 So I'd like to give direction for the city to move forward 00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:46.080 with that project. 00:34:46.080 --> 00:34:50.420 >> And I concur, I would also like to move forward with that. 00:34:50.420 --> 00:34:54.320 >> So I have just a couple of questions. 00:34:54.320 --> 00:35:02.460 How much would it cost to make the lane-changing, I forget the 00:35:02.460 --> 00:35:05.360 exact terms in the backup, but, you know, one of the options was 00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:08.760 doing this, another is, you know, there's a comment in the 00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:12.000 presentation about the medians aren't adequate, but what would 00:35:12.040 --> 00:35:14.800 it cost to do that, to make it so that you can't change lanes? 00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:18.780 My understanding of the basic idea of the four gates so you 00:35:18.780 --> 00:35:23.220 can't go in the wrong lane and get around the gate, but the 00:35:23.220 --> 00:35:27.020 other way to accomplish that is with like a deep curb, is that 00:35:27.020 --> 00:35:28.120 the general idea? 00:35:28.120 --> 00:35:32.160 >> Yes, so you extend the median on both sides, but because of 00:35:32.160 --> 00:35:39.100 the placement of, I believe it's curly, you're not able to do 00:35:39.100 --> 00:35:40.600 that. 00:35:40.600 --> 00:35:41.460 >> Oh, okay. 00:35:41.500 --> 00:35:45.160 Yes, so curly street is too close to the intersection and you 00:35:45.160 --> 00:35:48.700 have to maintain, I can't remember off the top of my head 00:35:48.700 --> 00:35:53.040 what the length of the curb is, or of the median, and you have 00:35:53.040 --> 00:35:57.380 to maintain that length to be FRA compliant, and because of 00:35:57.380 --> 00:35:59.880 where curly street is, we can't meet that. 00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:00.980 >> So it's a fiscal obstacle. 00:36:00.980 --> 00:36:07.720 Okay, $126,000 is a lot of money, but it sounds like that's 00:36:07.720 --> 00:36:09.200 the only option you have. 00:36:09.220 --> 00:36:12.000 >> Yeah, I join the majority. 00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:13.120 >> Okay. 00:36:13.120 --> 00:36:14.500 >> All right, I think anything else? 00:36:14.500 --> 00:36:16.360 We're good on, we're done with that item? 00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:19.500 >> I would just point out this was Logan's first presentation, 00:36:19.500 --> 00:36:20.800 so great job, Logan. 00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:22.800 >> Oh, hey, congratulations. 00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:25.140 >> Yay. 00:36:25.140 --> 00:36:32.280 >> So just to clarify, so the gate on the north side of the 00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:36.020 railroad tracks would be in between curly and the railroad 00:36:36.020 --> 00:36:39.020 tracks, right? 00:36:39.060 --> 00:36:41.520 >> I believe so. 00:36:41.520 --> 00:36:43.860 >> Oh, yeah, one other question. 00:36:43.860 --> 00:36:48.360 There's some discussion in the backup about the impact of 00:36:48.360 --> 00:36:50.360 presence sensors. 00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:54.160 Is it our plan to have presence sensors, or not, and it sounds 00:36:54.160 --> 00:36:57.840 like it must serve some purpose, but it sounds like they actually 00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:03.540 diminish safety, so that's what I'm asking. 00:37:03.540 --> 00:37:07.520 >> Are you talking about the FRA quiet zone requirements page? 00:37:07.540 --> 00:37:10.820 >> Yeah, yep. 00:37:10.820 --> 00:37:14.660 >> I'm not sure that wasn't DCTA's consultant's 00:37:14.660 --> 00:37:21.120 recommendation, so I will have to get back to you on that. 00:37:21.120 --> 00:37:25.260 >> Okay, sounds like, you know, most of the actions would be the 00:37:25.260 --> 00:37:30.000 same anyway to get the gates, but yeah, I'd like to understand. 00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:33.980 >> Yeah, I believe they gave us the most feasible option, both 00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:39.280 cost-wise and do-ability. 00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:41.880 >> Great, thank you. 00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:47.580 All right, I'll close that item and open item D, receive a report 00:37:47.580 --> 00:37:50.520 and hold a discussion regarding the project schedules and 00:37:50.520 --> 00:37:53.960 sequencing of construction associated with the different 00:37:53.960 --> 00:37:58.360 phases of the I-35 widening and Bonnie Bray reconstruction 00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:00.400 projects. 00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:03.540 >> Good morning, my name is Kyle Pettigrew, I'm a program manager 00:38:03.580 --> 00:38:08.480 with Capital Improvements and here to discuss the phasing 00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:13.580 between I-35 and Bonnie Bray and adjacent projects. 00:38:13.620 --> 00:38:33.740 Let me see, where's the share screen? 00:38:33.740 --> 00:38:35.800 First we'll go through an overview of the adjacent 00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:38.260 projects surrounding Bonnie Bray. 00:38:38.260 --> 00:38:41.200 So this map is a little bit zoomed out just to capture all 00:38:41.240 --> 00:38:46.620 of the projects, we do have it in an additional exhibit. 00:38:46.620 --> 00:38:51.620 So we have the I-35 city utility relocations, these are the 00:38:51.620 --> 00:38:57.620 relocations associated with TechStats expansion of I-35 from 00:38:57.620 --> 00:39:00.760 Mayhill to Loop 288 and then from the east-west split up to 00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:02.400 Milam Road. 00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:06.260 The timeframe of these improvements is quarter three of 00:39:06.260 --> 00:39:09.940 this year to quarter four of 2023. 00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:12.480 We have the Denton Municipal electric construction of the 00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:14.500 Hickory substation. 00:39:14.500 --> 00:39:17.240 This is a new electrical substation, it's on the east 00:39:17.240 --> 00:39:21.120 side of Bonnie Bray between West Oak and West Hickory. 00:39:21.120 --> 00:39:24.920 So the substation construction is from quarter four this year 00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:28.920 to quarter two of 2024 and they also have a small amount of 00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:32.320 duck bank construction in that area, underground duck bank, 00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:36.100 from quarter two to quarter four of 2024. 00:39:36.100 --> 00:39:39.560 We have the TechStat widening of I-35, so that's the widening 00:39:39.600 --> 00:39:45.140 and reconstruction that Mr. Polster reviewed earlier on I-35, 00:39:45.140 --> 00:39:48.840 again Mayhill to Loop 288 and from the east-west split to 00:39:48.840 --> 00:39:50.340 Milam Road. 00:39:50.340 --> 00:39:53.820 So their projects are slated for quarter four of next year to 00:39:53.820 --> 00:39:57.760 quarter four of 2027. 00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:00.420 In looking at this phasing, we discussed it with TechStat 00:40:00.420 --> 00:40:04.700 several times and we verified that traffic will not be 00:40:04.700 --> 00:40:08.340 rerouted along city streets during this time period. 00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:12.340 And TechStat is committed to maintaining their lane counts in 00:40:12.340 --> 00:40:14.700 the construction area during construction. 00:40:14.700 --> 00:40:19.180 So we have the quote of what they committed to below. 00:40:19.180 --> 00:40:25.320 Here's the Bonnie Bray reconstruction. 00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:32.820 So phase three, that's south of 35, that's the purple segment. 00:40:32.820 --> 00:40:36.820 That one is fully funded through RTR and utility funds. 00:40:36.860 --> 00:40:43.100 Phase four is the green segment from 35 to scripture. 00:40:43.100 --> 00:40:47.200 Design and acquisitions on that are funded through 2014 bond 00:40:47.200 --> 00:40:48.640 and RTR. 00:40:48.640 --> 00:40:53.040 We're working with the 2022 county bond program for the 00:40:53.040 --> 00:40:56.620 remainder of the construction funding. 00:40:56.620 --> 00:41:02.280 This project is in the same area as the current north-south 00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:05.780 Watermain phase three project. 00:41:05.820 --> 00:41:08.660 That's the project on Bonnie Bray installing the water 00:41:08.660 --> 00:41:10.160 transmission line. 00:41:10.160 --> 00:41:13.300 So north-south water phase three includes temporary restoration 00:41:13.300 --> 00:41:16.860 of the road surface for the south bond lanes where the water 00:41:16.860 --> 00:41:19.760 line is being installed. 00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:22.900 That's set to be completed by quarter two of this year and 00:41:22.900 --> 00:41:25.140 we're exploring options to expand that temporary 00:41:25.140 --> 00:41:28.940 restoration to the north bond lanes due to the condition that 00:41:28.940 --> 00:41:35.680 they're in until this phase four, the full road reconstruction 00:41:35.720 --> 00:41:40.780 is scheduled to begin in 2024. 00:41:40.780 --> 00:41:44.220 Phase five is from scripture to US 380. 00:41:44.220 --> 00:41:46.820 That's the outline in pink. 00:41:46.820 --> 00:41:53.500 That is funded by 2019 bond funding. 00:41:53.500 --> 00:41:54.840 That's utilized by phase six. 00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:57.800 So as phase six is reimbursed by TechStat, that funding will be 00:41:57.800 --> 00:41:59.740 used for phase five construction. 00:41:59.740 --> 00:42:03.980 And then phase six is from US 380 to US 77. 00:42:04.020 --> 00:42:09.680 That's the blue segment on the northern end of Bonnie Bray. 00:42:09.680 --> 00:42:12.680 So that's funded through utilities and 2019 bond and that 00:42:12.680 --> 00:42:16.860 is reimbursable by TechStat. 00:42:16.860 --> 00:42:20.820 So here's an overall program schedule. 00:42:20.820 --> 00:42:27.060 The top part of it includes the adjacent projects and the bottom 00:42:27.060 --> 00:42:30.540 section includes the Bonnie Bray reconstruction. 00:42:30.540 --> 00:42:33.580 So a few notes on this. 00:42:33.600 --> 00:42:36.740 The Bonnie Bray program will overlap with these adjacent 00:42:36.740 --> 00:42:41.640 construction projects until mid 2026 when Bonnie Bray is set 00:42:41.640 --> 00:42:44.080 to be completed. 00:42:44.080 --> 00:42:47.960 TechStat has committed to maintain their traffic pattern 00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:51.960 and a high level traffic study suggests that the I-35 00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:56.800 construction will not have a significant increase of traffic 00:42:56.800 --> 00:43:01.060 on Bonnie Bray during that reconstruction. 00:43:01.100 --> 00:43:06.980 So Bonnie Bray phase four, we are working with the county bond 00:43:06.980 --> 00:43:09.440 to fund the construction portion. 00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:12.820 And then the further note that that pork pavement quality due 00:43:12.820 --> 00:43:14.720 to construction on the north-south water main phase 00:43:14.720 --> 00:43:20.860 three, we're looking to remedy that through temporary surface 00:43:20.860 --> 00:43:24.420 restoration that would be designed to last until phase 00:43:24.420 --> 00:43:29.460 four of Bonnie Bray begins in 2024. 00:43:29.500 --> 00:43:33.300 So then here's just a overall construction heat maps. 00:43:33.300 --> 00:43:37.040 So on the left we have 2022. 00:43:37.040 --> 00:43:39.440 Any line in blue is a City of Denton project. 00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:42.300 Any line in red is a TechStat project. 00:43:42.300 --> 00:43:46.480 So if you notice the blue lines, we have construction, 00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:50.540 the utility relocations over at May Hill and right by the 00:43:50.540 --> 00:43:53.780 east-west split of 35 beginning. 00:43:53.820 --> 00:43:59.820 We have the north-south water finishing up their temporary 00:43:59.820 --> 00:44:03.600 surface restoration and then phase six and phase three, 00:44:03.600 --> 00:44:07.100 the far southern end and the far northern end of Bonnie Bray 00:44:07.100 --> 00:44:08.340 beginning. 00:44:08.340 --> 00:44:14.840 Next year we would have all of the utility relocations for 00:44:14.840 --> 00:44:17.980 TechStat underway while phase six and phase three are fully 00:44:17.980 --> 00:44:21.320 underway for Bonnie Bray. 00:44:21.340 --> 00:44:25.520 2024 we would be done with the TechStat utility relocations, 00:44:25.520 --> 00:44:28.820 but they would begin their work in red while we're finishing up 00:44:28.820 --> 00:44:34.020 phase three and six and in the middle of phase four. 00:44:34.020 --> 00:44:39.660 And then 2025 to '26 on the far right we have TechStats work 00:44:39.660 --> 00:44:42.700 completing while Bonnie Bray is just finishing up phase five 00:44:42.700 --> 00:44:44.740 in the middle. 00:44:44.740 --> 00:44:49.140 Any questions on the coordination between the 00:44:49.140 --> 00:44:50.740 projects? 00:44:50.780 --> 00:44:53.420 >> Kyle, if I could just jump in real quick, just a little 00:44:53.420 --> 00:44:56.080 context, I think, you know, we really looked at a number of 00:44:56.080 --> 00:44:58.480 different options when we came up with this proposal. 00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:00.620 We know that, I mean, and I think we tried to make it clear 00:45:00.620 --> 00:45:04.920 on the map, 2024 is going to be kind of a nightmare, right? 00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:07.060 I mean, we're going to hear a lot of comments. 00:45:07.060 --> 00:45:09.760 We're going to have a significant public outreach push 00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:12.060 to make sure everyone's aware of what's going on. 00:45:12.060 --> 00:45:16.100 But we're going to be fully prepared for questions and 00:45:16.100 --> 00:45:17.940 complaints and everything along with it. 00:45:17.980 --> 00:45:20.780 We looked at maybe phasing out Bonnie Bray and kind of 00:45:20.780 --> 00:45:24.540 extending the project, but really this was the best option 00:45:24.540 --> 00:45:27.880 to kind of rip the bandaid off and just do everything we can. 00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:31.580 So just a little context and all the work that went into this. 00:45:31.580 --> 00:45:34.560 >> Yeah, I definitely appreciate that and, you know, 00:45:34.560 --> 00:45:37.720 I think that this can be filed under growing pains. 00:45:37.720 --> 00:45:44.260 It sounds like staff has done the best they can to design a 00:45:44.300 --> 00:45:48.140 plan that will minimize those growing pains, but these are 00:45:48.140 --> 00:45:51.600 just the types of situations that we run into when a city is 00:45:51.600 --> 00:45:54.180 growing as fast as we are. 00:45:54.180 --> 00:45:57.280 >> I would mention too that one of the big decision points when 00:45:57.280 --> 00:46:02.140 staff, Kyle, myself, et cetera, worked with TxDOT and really 00:46:02.140 --> 00:46:05.160 understood how they're going to construct. 00:46:05.160 --> 00:46:08.260 Dallas District of TxDOT has a protocol that they follow. 00:46:08.260 --> 00:46:12.260 Kyle mentioned it, where they do not lower the level of service. 00:46:12.300 --> 00:46:15.220 So if there's three lanes out there today along 35, 00:46:15.220 --> 00:46:17.900 there's going to be three lanes out there during construction. 00:46:17.900 --> 00:46:20.540 And that really changes the way you think about that overall 00:46:20.540 --> 00:46:23.040 construction in both of those areas with those roadways 00:46:23.040 --> 00:46:24.040 and alignments. 00:46:24.040 --> 00:46:27.500 So that was a very helpful tool when we had that conversation 00:46:27.500 --> 00:46:29.680 with TxDOT really to bring that forward. 00:46:29.680 --> 00:46:32.940 Not every district of TxDOT does that, but that is the 00:46:32.940 --> 00:46:34.980 Dallas District's protocol. 00:46:34.980 --> 00:46:40.380 >> Councilmember Byrd, any comments or questions? 00:46:40.420 --> 00:46:45.960 I have a number of ma'am, but go ahead if you've got some. 00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:50.260 >> So the Bonnie Bray phases, I don't know, I mean, it's 00:46:50.260 --> 00:46:52.960 probably too late in the game to kind of bring this up, but, 00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:56.840 you know, obviously they're numbered from south to north, 00:46:56.840 --> 00:46:59.800 but they don't go in chronological order. 00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:04.540 Is there perhaps some way we can more clearly communicate that to 00:47:04.540 --> 00:47:06.780 the public, because that's going to be a little confusing, I 00:47:06.780 --> 00:47:10.280 think, to the public that phase four is going to be the last one 00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:12.320 to get done, not phase six. 00:47:12.320 --> 00:47:15.960 >> You have a problem with phase six being before phase five, 00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:18.400 basically being concurrent with phase three? 00:47:18.400 --> 00:47:20.320 I don't understand why it's confusing about that. 00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:21.760 >> I think that's a good point. 00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:23.160 We can think about that, especially on the public 00:47:23.160 --> 00:47:24.160 outreach. 00:47:24.160 --> 00:47:26.660 I think the numbers really were derived from the bond program, 00:47:26.660 --> 00:47:28.640 right, because we had the 2014 and we were looking at these 00:47:28.640 --> 00:47:31.680 phases, the opportunity to have six go first with the external 00:47:31.680 --> 00:47:34.800 funding really drove some of that, but I think that's a good 00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:37.180 point, especially as we are outward focused on how we 00:47:37.180 --> 00:47:38.220 message that. 00:47:41.220 --> 00:47:48.920 >> I was talking with a constituent one day, and every 00:47:48.920 --> 00:47:51.920 time I talk to someone, they're always talking about the roads, 00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:56.000 and so I thought maybe we would design a program and call it 00:47:56.000 --> 00:48:00.760 get mad, get mad again, then be happy. 00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:03.600 So maybe that might be something that will help put all of this 00:48:03.600 --> 00:48:04.840 in perspective. 00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:08.840 We're already mad, we're going to get mad again, and then we'll 00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:10.840 be happy someday. 00:48:10.840 --> 00:48:15.780 My question does go to the Bonnie Bray. 00:48:15.780 --> 00:48:18.380 It looks like it was coming along quite fine to me. 00:48:18.380 --> 00:48:23.120 I drive down Bonnie Bray here and there, and it looks like, 00:48:23.120 --> 00:48:25.320 you know, you can see the progress on it. 00:48:25.320 --> 00:48:28.360 And from a layperson's perspective, it appears as though 00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:30.300 it's starting to kind of wrap up. 00:48:30.300 --> 00:48:34.240 But as we look here, it seems like there's quite a bit more to 00:48:34.240 --> 00:48:36.700 go through with that project if we're looking at it. 00:48:36.740 --> 00:48:39.080 Of course, from top to bottom. 00:48:39.080 --> 00:48:43.680 So it appears to be okay, especially on the northern side 00:48:43.680 --> 00:48:47.040 where we're wrapping it up and then closer to 35. 00:48:47.040 --> 00:48:48.720 It looks like it's okay. 00:48:48.720 --> 00:48:53.460 So it looks like we'll have to do some media work on teaching 00:48:53.460 --> 00:48:56.760 and educating the public as to how it's going to go through. 00:48:56.760 --> 00:48:57.920 >> Thank you. 00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:00.020 >> Yep. 00:49:00.020 --> 00:49:05.560 >> So I have, you know, some questions that, I don't know, 00:49:05.600 --> 00:49:10.240 they may be stupid questions, but the premise, as it was 00:49:10.240 --> 00:49:14.980 explained to me, I think by pre-TAM, who's on here now, 00:49:14.980 --> 00:49:19.980 by somebody, was behind the whole effort to do Bonnie Bray 00:49:19.980 --> 00:49:24.020 and why it's been so heavily funded by the state was precisely 00:49:24.020 --> 00:49:27.820 because they wanted it to be an alternate route while so much 00:49:27.820 --> 00:49:29.580 work was being done on 35. 00:49:29.580 --> 00:49:32.620 Now, if, as, you know, to me, this is like the big headline, 00:49:32.620 --> 00:49:35.320 but it's in the footnote, if they're going to keep the same 00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:40.660 number of lanes going on 35 throughout construction, 00:49:40.660 --> 00:49:46.500 so there really isn't a need for that, why are we doing it? 00:49:46.500 --> 00:49:51.000 And before you answer, you know, and, or get over being 00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:57.380 thunderstruck by the bluntness of that question, some of it 00:49:57.380 --> 00:50:01.760 clearly has to do with the high school under construction. 00:50:01.780 --> 00:50:06.660 How does the timing that we've been shown sync up with key 00:50:06.660 --> 00:50:07.860 dates for that? 00:50:07.860 --> 00:50:10.800 So those are my two questions to start with. 00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:15.660 Why are we doing it if it's not, if the original purpose is not, 00:50:15.660 --> 00:50:17.100 no longer needed? 00:50:17.100 --> 00:50:22.340 And is the answer in part the high school and development 00:50:22.340 --> 00:50:24.840 around that and how are we doing on that timing? 00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:32.440 So as far as why we're doing it, the work that's planned is an 00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:37.880 overall street reconstruction, which includes not just surface 00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:42.020 restoration, it's total removal of the pavement, it's repair of 00:50:42.020 --> 00:50:45.920 the subgrade and placing back brand new pavement. 00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:51.900 And the reason for it, especially down towards 35, is 00:50:51.900 --> 00:50:55.400 temporary repairs or surface repairs have a very short 00:50:55.440 --> 00:51:01.280 lifespan, so we can resurface it, but with the traffic that it 00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:05.540 sees, it will, it will need to be resurfaced again, you know, 00:51:05.540 --> 00:51:07.080 within five years. 00:51:07.080 --> 00:51:10.660 So with the overall reconstruction, that's a big 00:51:10.660 --> 00:51:11.660 portion of it. 00:51:11.660 --> 00:51:17.060 And then I believe as far as phase six with the, with the 00:51:17.060 --> 00:51:21.500 connection with the high school, there's a, that with the state 00:51:21.540 --> 00:51:25.760 funding and with the construction of the new high 00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:28.900 school there, that was the decision that pushed phase six 00:51:28.900 --> 00:51:33.600 to be constructed before the rest of the phase out of sequence. 00:51:33.600 --> 00:51:38.280 If I could just jump in and try to answer your question, I think 00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:40.840 to answer your question specifically, I don't, you know, 00:51:40.840 --> 00:51:44.680 the push that Bonnie and Bray wasn't for the temporary time 00:51:44.680 --> 00:51:46.980 while they're doing 35 construction, I think it was the 00:51:46.980 --> 00:51:51.220 long term to have that alternate route long term, not just 00:51:51.260 --> 00:51:52.260 during construction. 00:51:52.260 --> 00:51:57.040 So I think that's a difference in framing the conversation. 00:51:57.040 --> 00:52:00.200 >> And, okay, thank you for that. 00:52:00.200 --> 00:52:05.140 And then, okay, now I get that the reason six was accelerated 00:52:05.140 --> 00:52:08.240 so that it no longer makes sense to call it six was because of 00:52:08.240 --> 00:52:09.320 the school. 00:52:09.320 --> 00:52:11.240 So does that timing still work? 00:52:11.240 --> 00:52:14.220 I mean, I'm saying that because I don't know exactly what the 00:52:14.220 --> 00:52:16.660 timing needs are for the school. 00:52:16.660 --> 00:52:21.080 So are we still meeting that objective? 00:52:21.120 --> 00:52:22.120 >> I believe so. 00:52:22.120 --> 00:52:24.360 There's current capacity up there, you know, with the 00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:26.920 expansion of six starting this year. 00:52:26.920 --> 00:52:31.860 I believe that's going according to the discussed schedule. 00:52:31.860 --> 00:52:35.500 >> Could we, you know, maybe have a follow up note on that, 00:52:35.500 --> 00:52:39.340 just to kind of confirm that that's still on target? 00:52:39.340 --> 00:52:40.880 >> Yep. 00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:42.840 >> Appreciate that. 00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:48.940 And my last question is, I notice in the footnotes that it 00:52:48.980 --> 00:52:51.980 says that when they have temporary closures, which may 00:52:51.980 --> 00:52:56.360 occur due to demolition of bridges and a couple of other 00:52:56.360 --> 00:53:00.960 conditions, they say it will not go on city streets. 00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:04.160 It will use the TxDOT network. 00:53:04.160 --> 00:53:09.660 That means not Monte Bray, Locust and Elm, right? 00:53:09.660 --> 00:53:12.900 >> They, so whenever they have to do that, they'll submit a 00:53:12.900 --> 00:53:16.580 plan, you know, the TxDOT network that they have to reroute 00:53:16.580 --> 00:53:18.440 through has to be able to handle the capacity that they're 00:53:18.480 --> 00:53:19.480 planning to reroute. 00:53:19.480 --> 00:53:21.320 So they'll have to submit a plan. 00:53:21.320 --> 00:53:25.860 I know Elm and Locust are logical because they're close, 00:53:25.860 --> 00:53:29.380 but they might not be able to handle the capacity of traffic 00:53:29.380 --> 00:53:33.560 that TxDOT is needing to move, so it may, you know, 00:53:33.560 --> 00:53:36.020 be over towards Luke 288. 00:53:36.020 --> 00:53:38.460 >> Okay, because that, yeah, my reaction was that that would be 00:53:38.460 --> 00:53:40.540 sort of potentially disastrous. 00:53:40.540 --> 00:53:44.900 So there are alternatives that would be considered. 00:53:44.900 --> 00:53:46.240 Okay, good to know. 00:53:46.280 --> 00:53:49.940 >> Mayor Pritam, to that question, we will confirm with 00:53:49.940 --> 00:53:52.040 TxDOT that that's not their anticipation. 00:53:52.040 --> 00:53:55.540 I haven't been aware or had any conversations that an alternate 00:53:55.540 --> 00:53:58.980 route or an alternate location would be moving folks from 35 00:53:58.980 --> 00:54:01.020 to Elm and Locust, nor has Kyle. 00:54:01.020 --> 00:54:05.160 So we will confirm that, but that's not what we understood 00:54:05.160 --> 00:54:07.420 from the information that we received or the conversations 00:54:07.420 --> 00:54:08.960 that we've had with TxDOT. 00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:11.860 They will look to have other locations that are TxDOT 00:54:11.900 --> 00:54:16.460 structures to move folks to and from. 00:54:16.460 --> 00:54:19.200 >> Yeah, it'd be great to hear what, you know, they think they 00:54:19.200 --> 00:54:23.780 might be leaning toward. 00:54:23.780 --> 00:54:25.020 That's all I have on this item. 00:54:25.020 --> 00:54:28.640 Anyone else have anything else? 00:54:28.640 --> 00:54:29.780 Okay, thank you. 00:54:29.780 --> 00:54:30.920 >> Thank you. 00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:33.860 >> So we'll move on to item E, staff report. 00:54:41.900 --> 00:54:44.400 All righty, so the first thing we're going to start off with 00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:48.700 today on the staff report is I'm going to ask Brett to come down 00:54:48.700 --> 00:54:50.200 and introduce himself. 00:54:50.200 --> 00:54:53.140 I'm happy to announce that we now have a new deputy city 00:54:53.140 --> 00:54:55.420 engineer who started on Monday. 00:54:55.420 --> 00:54:58.020 So I know you're all very excited, as you know, that our 00:54:58.020 --> 00:55:01.180 department was much needing this position for a period of time. 00:55:01.180 --> 00:55:05.620 And so we have a new deputy city engineer who started on Monday. 00:55:05.620 --> 00:55:08.120 So I know you're all very excited, as you know, that our 00:55:08.120 --> 00:55:11.460 department was much needing this position for a period of time. 00:55:11.500 --> 00:55:14.400 And so we are going to have Brett come down and talk to us a 00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:17.240 little bit about his background and give him an opportunity to 00:55:17.240 --> 00:55:21.440 introduce himself. 00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:24.540 >> Welcome, Brett. 00:55:24.540 --> 00:55:25.580 >> Thank you. 00:55:25.580 --> 00:55:27.240 My name is Brett Bourgeois. 00:55:27.240 --> 00:55:28.840 I'm the new deputy city engineer. 00:55:28.840 --> 00:55:33.480 And I come from California by way of Minnesota, have eight 00:55:33.480 --> 00:55:37.020 years of experience of design experience in California, then 00:55:37.020 --> 00:55:40.120 have about seven years of project manage experience. 00:55:40.160 --> 00:55:43.220 Just recently five of it up in Minnesota, managing a light rail 00:55:43.220 --> 00:55:48.260 project for Minneapolis and the city's areas and then just 00:55:48.260 --> 00:55:52.040 relocated here about two weeks ago and started on Monday. 00:55:52.040 --> 00:55:55.000 So I decided to be working here and getting to know everybody 00:55:55.000 --> 00:55:57.500 and being part of the city. 00:55:57.500 --> 00:56:02.520 >> We are really glad to have you and I believe you've picked 00:56:02.520 --> 00:56:04.040 a really nice place to live. 00:56:04.040 --> 00:56:05.640 >> Yes, I'm liking it a lot. 00:56:05.640 --> 00:56:06.640 It's very nice. 00:56:06.640 --> 00:56:09.520 It's nice to be able to cold, nice to be able to go outside 00:56:09.560 --> 00:56:12.860 year-round and enjoying everything that Fenton and 00:56:12.860 --> 00:56:14.820 Texas has to offer. 00:56:14.820 --> 00:56:16.400 >> Excellent. 00:56:16.400 --> 00:56:19.420 >> There's certainly no shortage of work for you. 00:56:19.420 --> 00:56:20.100 >> I know there is. 00:56:20.100 --> 00:56:21.660 Thank you. 00:56:21.660 --> 00:56:23.600 >> Thank you, Brett. 00:56:23.600 --> 00:56:24.600 All righty. 00:56:24.600 --> 00:56:27.040 So we'll move on to the staff report. 00:56:36.580 --> 00:56:44.120 Let me play a little bit of -- all righty. 00:56:44.120 --> 00:56:47.360 So first thing that we did, obviously, was introduce Brett. 00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:49.900 The second item that is currently on our report is to 00:56:49.900 --> 00:56:53.160 talk about the speeding concerns along Dallas Drive. 00:56:53.160 --> 00:56:58.700 I had some several Friday reports that we have put out, 00:56:58.700 --> 00:57:02.200 obviously, that y'all get a copy of and that backup information. 00:57:02.200 --> 00:57:06.140 You can see that there was a Friday report in October and 00:57:06.180 --> 00:57:09.620 then, of course, another one later in October and then 00:57:09.620 --> 00:57:11.780 another one that happened in November. 00:57:11.780 --> 00:57:15.180 And so just wanted to kind of bring up, and I'll go back to 00:57:15.180 --> 00:57:17.920 the very top, just to kind of talk through our action plan and 00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:20.400 our next steps. 00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:24.960 So, you know, during the last meeting that we had in December, 00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:27.460 you know, there was a request to talk about the speeding concerns 00:57:27.460 --> 00:57:28.800 along Dallas Drive. 00:57:28.800 --> 00:57:32.900 Reminder, Dallas Drive is a TxDOT roadway, but the following 00:57:32.900 --> 00:57:35.840 Friday report items really were the steps that staff has taken 00:57:35.880 --> 00:57:39.180 forward to prepare that information for all of you to 00:57:39.180 --> 00:57:41.080 address those speeding concerns. 00:57:41.080 --> 00:57:43.980 We've been in contact with the police department and we have 00:57:43.980 --> 00:57:46.880 regular meetings with them to really talk about what the speed 00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:49.560 studies show, what the information is that's collected 00:57:49.560 --> 00:57:53.700 and discuss what additional measures could happen or occur 00:57:53.700 --> 00:57:57.120 to help with those speeding concerns. 00:57:57.120 --> 00:58:00.660 I will tell you that Nathan, I know I've mentioned this before, 00:58:00.660 --> 00:58:03.740 is leading the citywide speed study effort and this roadway 00:58:03.760 --> 00:58:06.800 has been added as a part of that and we think that will give us a 00:58:06.800 --> 00:58:10.340 good idea based on the data collected and he has a number of 00:58:10.340 --> 00:58:12.540 collection points along this roadway. 00:58:12.540 --> 00:58:15.980 And so we are anticipating, based on that information coming 00:58:15.980 --> 00:58:19.420 back, then looking at the speed limit of this particular roadway 00:58:19.420 --> 00:58:22.620 to see if any modifications need to be made in coordination with 00:58:22.620 --> 00:58:24.920 TxDOT. 00:58:24.920 --> 00:58:27.760 Until that, obviously, I know we've talked about the date for 00:58:27.760 --> 00:58:31.400 that to be completed and then come to share that with council. 00:58:31.420 --> 00:58:33.860 And of course, mobility committee would be late August, 00:58:33.860 --> 00:58:37.740 early September and so when we do bring that forward, 00:58:37.740 --> 00:58:40.500 we'll talk about if there's modifications that need to be 00:58:40.500 --> 00:58:42.540 made in this area. 00:58:42.540 --> 00:58:47.940 For now, I guess I should mention of course PD will 00:58:47.940 --> 00:58:51.780 continue to enforce the concerns and I know a lot of the concerns 00:58:51.780 --> 00:58:54.680 that have been mentioned, just recently we've had that 00:58:54.680 --> 00:58:59.160 conversation even last week with PD and they put some additional 00:58:59.180 --> 00:59:02.760 measures out there to look in those areas where folks are 00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:09.300 exiting 35 at a higher rate of speed and then of course it goes 00:59:09.300 --> 00:59:14.100 down to 45 immediately to 35 and then in some areas all the way 00:59:14.100 --> 00:59:16.700 to 30 as you come through town. 00:59:16.700 --> 00:59:20.240 I myself have received a speeding violation on that roadway 00:59:20.240 --> 00:59:24.140 about 20 years ago so I understand the concerns and know 00:59:24.140 --> 00:59:27.820 how hard it is at many times to, you know, 00:59:27.860 --> 00:59:29.920 obviously take your foot off the gas. 00:59:29.920 --> 00:59:34.420 And you have to stop blaming yourself. 00:59:34.420 --> 00:59:39.060 That feedback sign on Bell headed northbound like just 00:59:39.060 --> 00:59:41.540 north of Dallas Drive is that gets me every time, 00:59:41.540 --> 00:59:43.340 every single time I go past that sign, 00:59:43.340 --> 00:59:45.040 I go, oh my gosh, I'm speeding. 00:59:45.040 --> 00:59:49.240 Right, it's definitely hard to realize so just I wanted to 00:59:49.240 --> 00:59:52.440 mention that just simply because obviously we understand the 00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:55.240 concerns, we're working to address those. 00:59:55.240 --> 00:59:57.540 We know that we're going to continue to hear concerns in 00:59:57.580 --> 01:00:00.980 this area, want to take that time to put this as a part of 01:00:00.980 --> 01:00:03.120 the speed study to see if there's additional improvements 01:00:03.120 --> 01:00:04.180 that can be made. 01:00:04.180 --> 01:00:08.560 Also understand that as 35 changes in that area and some of 01:00:08.560 --> 01:00:12.100 those intersection connections change in that area, 01:00:12.100 --> 01:00:15.900 it'll also change some of those exit and on ramps. 01:00:15.900 --> 01:00:19.000 Same, you know, same thing happens as you're trying to 01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:22.440 leave Dallas Drive to enter 35 in that left lane configuration. 01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:25.600 I know we also get concerns about that too so just wanted to 01:00:25.640 --> 01:00:27.920 bring that forward. 01:00:27.920 --> 01:00:30.120 Talk about the next item. 01:00:30.120 --> 01:00:33.420 The next item we discussed on our last meeting was the 01:00:33.420 --> 01:00:37.320 intersection of Parkway Street and then Locust and Elm. 01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:42.660 I know we mentioned that of course James in the back. 01:00:42.660 --> 01:00:45.260 James is up there, yes he is, there he is. 01:00:45.260 --> 01:00:48.100 So James and his staff, I think I mentioned this to you last 01:00:48.100 --> 01:00:50.460 time, I mean literally on a Thursday night we're out there 01:00:50.460 --> 01:00:54.100 working to get speed, I mean sorry, stop signs deployed. 01:00:54.140 --> 01:01:00.140 Obviously as you're traveling southbound on Elm they now have 01:01:00.140 --> 01:01:02.780 that red flashing light that notifies you of the stop sign 01:01:02.780 --> 01:01:06.380 in that area and Nathan along with James, 01:01:06.380 --> 01:01:09.420 those groups have worked together really to talk about 01:01:09.420 --> 01:01:10.560 what our next steps are. 01:01:10.560 --> 01:01:13.300 Staff has determined that a roadway diet in this area would 01:01:13.300 --> 01:01:17.820 be feasible so we're going to be looking at taking Parkway to one 01:01:17.820 --> 01:01:21.200 lane in each direction with some bike lane that will really take 01:01:21.240 --> 01:01:25.040 us all the way around to the park to Schmitz I believe is the 01:01:25.040 --> 01:01:29.540 name of that roadway so really helping with that repurposing of 01:01:29.540 --> 01:01:33.580 that roadway which will also slow down some of the traffic in 01:01:33.580 --> 01:01:36.740 that area so just wanted to bring that up. 01:01:36.740 --> 01:01:40.180 These will be intersection enhancements and really pavement 01:01:40.180 --> 01:01:45.520 markings and signage so no roadway changes per se besides 01:01:45.520 --> 01:01:49.960 those frivolous extra things like the markings and the signs 01:01:50.000 --> 01:01:53.400 so I wanted to bring that up to you. 01:01:53.400 --> 01:01:54.560 >> Excuse me Becky. 01:01:54.560 --> 01:01:55.640 >> Yes sir. 01:01:55.640 --> 01:02:01.380 >> Do you happen to know what is the crash history when it was 01:02:01.380 --> 01:02:06.340 signalized and then at the various sort of treatments that 01:02:06.340 --> 01:02:10.780 it's had since at those intersections? 01:02:10.780 --> 01:02:12.680 >> I do not have that data. 01:02:12.680 --> 01:02:15.480 I can obviously collect that data. 01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:19.480 When I became aware of the situation of course the signals 01:02:19.520 --> 01:02:24.120 were already removed and it was non-signalized and it was just 01:02:24.120 --> 01:02:27.360 that stop obviously at Parkway as Almond Locust had that full 01:02:27.360 --> 01:02:32.800 through traffic pattern but with those additional stop signs 01:02:32.800 --> 01:02:35.680 you know obviously we're still seeing some crashes but I can 01:02:35.680 --> 01:02:42.340 collect that data based on what recollection and what's in the 01:02:42.340 --> 01:02:46.020 system from the police department without an issue. 01:02:46.040 --> 01:02:49.980 >> Yeah, if it's not too difficult I think it would be 01:02:49.980 --> 01:02:53.180 just good to know what we're aiming for and whether what 01:02:53.180 --> 01:02:56.060 we're doing is being effective or not. 01:02:56.060 --> 01:02:58.520 >> Sure and I would just mention and I know I mentioned this 01:02:58.520 --> 01:03:02.300 again last night you know folks have to get used to the new 01:03:02.300 --> 01:03:05.340 patterns that's the reason for the flash on the stop sign you 01:03:05.340 --> 01:03:09.900 know many folks travel that area every single day and it may 01:03:09.900 --> 01:03:13.340 take them some time to make that muscle memory of that 01:03:13.380 --> 01:03:17.140 intersection in that area so keep in mind that we have seen 01:03:17.140 --> 01:03:21.880 some crashes just as we traverse between the transfer of no stop 01:03:21.880 --> 01:03:25.260 signs as an all-way stop from just a two-way stop so you know 01:03:25.260 --> 01:03:29.360 we will see some of those types of crashes but we'll work with 01:03:29.360 --> 01:03:32.100 PD to collect that actual data. 01:03:32.100 --> 01:03:35.840 I will have to go back and have that data performed just to see 01:03:35.840 --> 01:03:38.940 when the signal was there and what happened, why it was 01:03:38.940 --> 01:03:42.100 removed and then work through that process but we can bring 01:03:42.140 --> 01:03:45.080 that back as an update at next month with that additional 01:03:45.080 --> 01:03:46.600 information for you. 01:03:46.600 --> 01:03:49.280 >> I think that'd be great you know and so my expectation would 01:03:49.280 --> 01:03:54.020 be you know shortly after you make any change there are 01:03:54.020 --> 01:03:57.960 incidents and then they should go away right. 01:03:57.960 --> 01:04:00.320 >> Yes, sir that would be our hope. 01:04:00.320 --> 01:04:03.360 >> Yeah okay that'd be interesting to see thank you. 01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:06.500 >> No problem sir so the next item that was mentioned at the 01:04:06.500 --> 01:04:09.100 last meeting just to follow up was the read at the Roodell 01:04:09.140 --> 01:04:12.760 Street widening concerns obviously in the Friday report 01:04:12.760 --> 01:04:15.840 on January 14 there was really an update of that didn't basic 01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:18.600 services center proposal. 01:04:18.600 --> 01:04:22.720 I wanted to just highlight that one of the focus areas was the 01:04:22.720 --> 01:04:26.480 Fulton property which was located on Roodell Street and 01:04:26.480 --> 01:04:29.180 that obviously we're still in preliminary plans of Roodell 01:04:29.180 --> 01:04:33.480 Street extension and we're working through that 30% design 01:04:33.480 --> 01:04:35.900 which is completed in that area but working through that final 01:04:35.920 --> 01:04:39.660 funding before we would move forward with that project really 01:04:39.660 --> 01:04:42.440 just that that's on hold at this time as we work through those 01:04:42.440 --> 01:04:45.200 next steps I know there were questions about that particular 01:04:45.200 --> 01:04:49.280 area and how Roodell and Mingo intersection would traverse 01:04:49.280 --> 01:04:52.200 through that piece of property so just wanted to refer you back 01:04:52.200 --> 01:04:54.380 to that Friday report. 01:04:54.380 --> 01:05:01.580 >> Well if any the question you know that I was present for me 01:05:01.580 --> 01:05:05.360 was to have a reconcile really just to get a shared point of 01:05:05.380 --> 01:05:12.720 view from staff between your department and development on 01:05:12.720 --> 01:05:16.160 whether that project is critically needed or not and 01:05:16.160 --> 01:05:23.000 I was hearing from Jane who was referenced here that supposedly 01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:28.080 Ron Mangida has said oh yeah that's not a problem at all so 01:05:28.080 --> 01:05:31.020 you know a very different point of view so what I'm really 01:05:31.040 --> 01:05:36.880 looking for was the consensus staff you on the on how 01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:40.320 compelling the need is for the widening project. 01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:43.760 >> Yes, sir and I have gone back and discuss with development 01:05:43.760 --> 01:05:45.320 services and planning department. 01:05:45.320 --> 01:05:47.460 I'm not sure that the information you received is 01:05:47.460 --> 01:05:51.860 actually the information that was conveyed and it is a planned 01:05:51.860 --> 01:05:56.200 capital project that's a part of the overall a CIP and it's a 01:05:56.200 --> 01:06:00.340 bond project that was put through with the bond program 01:06:00.380 --> 01:06:04.980 in 2014 and it is anticipated that definitely that's an area 01:06:04.980 --> 01:06:07.980 in an intersection that needs to be improved at Rue Dell and 01:06:07.980 --> 01:06:11.420 Mingo and then connect back into the existing roadway 01:06:11.420 --> 01:06:14.120 infrastructure and that is the location that was currently 01:06:14.120 --> 01:06:19.220 selected of course if you know council just makes a decision 01:06:19.220 --> 01:06:22.660 that they no longer believe that that's the the right approach 01:06:22.660 --> 01:06:25.900 and of course staff will take that information back and 01:06:25.900 --> 01:06:30.100 receive that determination but I do not believe that the way 01:06:30.140 --> 01:06:33.400 that that information was conveyed to you was the actual 01:06:33.400 --> 01:06:36.880 correct way that it was conveyed and it is shown on our mobility 01:06:36.880 --> 01:06:41.180 plan and it is a approved project to the 29 or 2014 bond 01:06:41.180 --> 01:06:42.520 program. 01:06:42.520 --> 01:06:45.980 >> So at some point will there be a discussion of council 01:06:45.980 --> 01:06:50.560 about the original rationale why it was on the plan and what 01:06:50.560 --> 01:06:54.360 alternatives would be if we didn't do that or you know I 01:06:54.400 --> 01:07:00.900 just there's always conflicting needs and we have to weigh how 01:07:00.900 --> 01:07:05.600 compelling each is right so. 01:07:05.600 --> 01:07:08.380 >> Sure, yes, sir, I would anticipate that that type of 01:07:08.380 --> 01:07:10.840 conversation would come up during the tiny home village 01:07:10.840 --> 01:07:14.660 conversation. I believe that scheduled for council and I'm 01:07:14.660 --> 01:07:18.280 going off memory for late March. 01:07:18.280 --> 01:07:21.320 >> So we'll hear the transportation aspect of that at 01:07:21.320 --> 01:07:22.660 that time whatever that is. 01:07:22.700 --> 01:07:25.460 >> Yes, there and there will be representatives, I'm sure from 01:07:25.460 --> 01:07:28.700 all different departments discussing impacts or concerns 01:07:28.700 --> 01:07:32.240 questions, etc. As those were all listed as a part of that 01:07:32.240 --> 01:07:36.440 overall RFI you know that was submitted and work through the 01:07:36.440 --> 01:07:39.780 process so my anticipation is those types of questions would 01:07:39.780 --> 01:07:42.720 come up during that conversation. 01:07:42.720 --> 01:07:47.820 >> I'm just just a note we're scheduled to discuss the RFI on 01:07:47.820 --> 01:07:52.080 April 19th April 19th OK, I'm sorry I was going purely on 01:07:52.120 --> 01:07:55.620 memory so I appreciate that. 01:07:55.620 --> 01:07:58.800 I know originally it might have been in March and was moved or 01:07:58.800 --> 01:08:03.100 okay, so thank you councilmember McGuire I try to keep those 01:08:03.100 --> 01:08:05.640 dates in my head, but I can't remember everything so I 01:08:05.640 --> 01:08:07.140 appreciate that. 01:08:07.140 --> 01:08:12.580 >> Are we too much to keep in your head and how you do it. 01:08:12.580 --> 01:08:16.220 >> All righty so let's go back to the last part of the staff 01:08:16.240 --> 01:08:22.780 report which let me see and then I'll share. 01:08:22.780 --> 01:08:26.660 So that was actually the last item we had on the staff report 01:08:26.660 --> 01:08:34.120 and so let me go to the second exhibit I'm going to be pulling 01:08:34.120 --> 01:08:40.060 that up for you and let me share that just so we can. 01:08:40.060 --> 01:08:44.700 All righty minimize that sorry there's a lot of different 01:08:44.740 --> 01:08:47.800 screens open, so I'm trying my best to share so I apologize 01:08:47.800 --> 01:08:51.720 Sir, I know it's it's hard when you're remote to to make sure 01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:55.580 you're seeing everything so so good. 01:08:55.580 --> 01:08:58.460 I wanted to make sure so this is our overall staff report that 01:08:58.460 --> 01:09:01.960 we've really worked through the process on the first item was 01:09:01.960 --> 01:09:05.520 the construction sequence for Bonnie Bray and plan that plan 01:09:05.520 --> 01:09:07.460 timing at 35 widening. 01:09:07.460 --> 01:09:11.900 I do believe that we have you know produce that information 01:09:11.940 --> 01:09:14.740 for you call me that presentation today there may be a 01:09:14.740 --> 01:09:17.780 few follow-up questions and what I would recommend is with 01:09:17.780 --> 01:09:20.140 those follow-up questions we just have that apart as a staff 01:09:20.140 --> 01:09:24.340 report next month. If you're in concurrence of that. 01:09:24.340 --> 01:09:29.080 >> I find that me other members any everybody not OK with that 01:09:29.080 --> 01:09:34.180 they're shaking their heads and giving you a thumbs up so OK. 01:09:34.180 --> 01:09:37.520 >> As I could not possibly see that yes, Sir, I know I've been 01:09:37.520 --> 01:09:40.660 on your side presenting and it is definitely difficult to see 01:09:40.700 --> 01:09:45.940 the Dias or on the paisley Street Roodell intersection 01:09:45.940 --> 01:09:50.240 questions. You know I think what we would bring back for you is 01:09:50.240 --> 01:09:53.000 that actual 01:09:53.000 --> 01:09:56.240 information you requested with the crash data just have that as 01:09:56.240 --> 01:09:59.380 a part of that staff report. 01:09:59.380 --> 01:10:03.360 As the I'm sorry that that's specifically related to the item 01:10:03.360 --> 01:10:06.460 that we just talked about which was Roodell so I'd like to 01:10:06.480 --> 01:10:11.620 remove that simply because I'm. 01:10:11.620 --> 01:10:13.660 Well, you know. 01:10:13.660 --> 01:10:17.100 >> It's because we have a different item so councilmember 01:10:17.100 --> 01:10:20.040 bird that's the I'm sorry I saw Roodell and I immediately went 01:10:20.040 --> 01:10:23.140 to that project that's listed for that later in the so my 01:10:23.140 --> 01:10:26.740 apologies that paisley Street Roodell Street intersection that 01:10:26.740 --> 01:10:30.220 was the curb project you asked us about that we gave that 01:10:30.220 --> 01:10:33.040 report on in November. 01:10:33.040 --> 01:10:36.020 As 17th so we would like to request to remove that unless 01:10:36.060 --> 01:10:42.120 you have additional questions. 01:10:42.120 --> 01:10:48.760 >> Your Mike's not on. 01:10:48.760 --> 01:10:58.080 >> Your Mike's not on councilmember bird. 01:10:58.080 --> 01:11:01.940 >> They're very difficult today to get. 01:11:01.980 --> 01:11:06.440 >> They're probably overused from last night. 01:11:06.440 --> 01:11:12.260 >> I'm sorry paisley Street in Roodell intersection curves. 01:11:12.260 --> 01:11:16.200 I don't see where they did that could be closed nothing's been 01:11:16.200 --> 01:11:18.060 done in that area. 01:11:18.060 --> 01:11:21.140 >> Well, what we were asking is to remove it from the staff 01:11:21.140 --> 01:11:23.660 agenda because it was something that we discussed with you if 01:11:23.660 --> 01:11:26.740 you feel like we still need to do some additional information 01:11:26.740 --> 01:11:29.500 on it and we understood the concerns were working through 01:11:29.540 --> 01:11:32.400 that with other capital projects that are in that area if 01:11:32.400 --> 01:11:34.440 there's something that you're asking additional for us to 01:11:34.440 --> 01:11:37.840 bring back other than what was put in the November a 17th 01:11:37.840 --> 01:11:40.140 report that we wanted to make sure we brought that back to 01:11:40.140 --> 01:11:42.280 you if not we'd like to remove it from. 01:11:42.280 --> 01:11:46.480 >> Yeah, I I just needed some clarification should as to you 01:11:46.480 --> 01:11:51.760 know why it's being moved so yeah sure yes, yes, ma'am. 01:11:51.760 --> 01:11:54.000 >> All righty we will remove that from the agenda of course 01:11:54.000 --> 01:11:56.300 that there's additional questions we're happy to answer 01:11:56.340 --> 01:12:00.260 those all right now moving on to item number 3 which was the 01:12:00.260 --> 01:12:04.980 Parkway locust intersection. Mayor protein, I understand 01:12:04.980 --> 01:12:07.540 you'd like to see some crash data when it was signalized when 01:12:07.540 --> 01:12:10.240 it was not signalized and then that current condition with 01:12:10.240 --> 01:12:14.220 some time frames and we'll have to give us how long it's been 01:12:14.220 --> 01:12:17.420 with the this the 4 way stop condition always stop condition 01:12:17.420 --> 01:12:20.460 so we will bring that one back to you with that additional 01:12:20.460 --> 01:12:25.460 crash data. So the the 4th item the speeding concerns along 01:12:25.500 --> 01:12:30.060 Dallas dry were requesting also to remove that item as it's a 01:12:30.060 --> 01:12:32.440 part of the citywide speed study and will be further 01:12:32.440 --> 01:12:36.340 discussed during that August to September time frame. 01:12:36.340 --> 01:12:41.300 >> Objections. 01:12:41.300 --> 01:12:44.520 >> And then the final item is the redel Street widening 01:12:44.520 --> 01:12:47.240 concerns we also are requesting to remove that one from the 01:12:47.240 --> 01:12:51.220 agenda being that it will be a part of the April 19th tiny home 01:12:51.260 --> 01:12:55.860 discussion at that time as that's one of the the possible 01:12:55.860 --> 01:12:58.020 locations and we'll discuss that roadway project at that 01:12:58.020 --> 01:13:00.300 time. 01:13:00.300 --> 01:13:04.700 >> Objections I actually kind of do have an objection, I think 01:13:04.700 --> 01:13:10.500 that we need to have some information. 01:13:10.500 --> 01:13:14.700 Some more information about that before the April 19th, okay, 01:13:14.700 --> 01:13:18.440 sure what time information are you requesting I just you know, 01:13:18.480 --> 01:13:23.180 maybe not not for this committee necessarily, but if you can 01:13:23.180 --> 01:13:26.280 include in a Friday report prior to April 19th something 01:13:26.280 --> 01:13:32.220 about you know what what the history of of that project is as 01:13:32.220 --> 01:13:36.900 far as the bond funding and the design phase that move forward 01:13:36.900 --> 01:13:41.100 and and where we're at now and you know visuals of what what 01:13:41.100 --> 01:13:44.540 the proposed alignment is sure just so we can have that 01:13:44.580 --> 01:13:49.520 information going into the April 19th conversation because 01:13:49.520 --> 01:13:52.420 you know full disclosure, I I suspect we may need to find a 01:13:52.420 --> 01:13:55.620 different location for that project but and and so we need 01:13:55.620 --> 01:13:58.680 to be prepared to have that conversation on April 19th. 01:13:58.680 --> 01:14:01.120 >> Sure that absolutely we can do that so we'll remove it from 01:14:01.120 --> 01:14:03.460 this agenda and then we'll include it in a future Friday 01:14:03.460 --> 01:14:06.520 report and we already have the majority of that information 01:14:06.520 --> 01:14:09.700 prepared so that's that'll be very simple. 01:14:09.700 --> 01:14:11.640 >> And I don't know if it's a you know sort of asking too 01:14:11.660 --> 01:14:14.800 much around the scope or you know, it's just chill till the 01:14:14.800 --> 01:14:21.420 19th, but the the part I'm most curious about curious about is 01:14:21.420 --> 01:14:28.260 not so as much the status of the funding planning, but the 01:14:28.260 --> 01:14:33.120 rationale for the project what what was compelling about it 01:14:33.120 --> 01:14:36.560 and and what the alternatives. 01:14:36.600 --> 01:14:41.840 >> Are yet if if any are needed, but like I said that may be 01:14:41.840 --> 01:14:47.500 coming April 19th, but if you want to you know share any of 01:14:47.500 --> 01:14:51.840 that least the historical aspect why I was compelling. 01:14:51.840 --> 01:14:55.080 You know that would be interesting to me. 01:14:55.080 --> 01:14:58.340 >> But you know I I we certainly will and there's there really 01:14:58.340 --> 01:15:00.380 is a lot of history to it right because it was part of the 01:15:00.380 --> 01:15:03.580 2014 bond program we've had funding issues it's been it 01:15:03.620 --> 01:15:07.560 hasn't been a priority obviously in previous iterations so we 01:15:07.560 --> 01:15:09.760 have a lot of history so I think we can walk it all the way 01:15:09.760 --> 01:15:12.600 forward even in more detail of here's here's a rationale when 01:15:12.600 --> 01:15:15.200 it was approved in 2014 here's been the considerations up to 01:15:15.200 --> 01:15:18.740 this point and where we stand today, so I think that's a 01:15:18.740 --> 01:15:21.180 perfectly good exercise for us. 01:15:21.180 --> 01:15:22.880 >> Okay great. 01:15:22.880 --> 01:15:25.380 >> I think I'll explain that why behind what you're asking 01:15:25.380 --> 01:15:27.280 mayor pritam so. 01:15:27.280 --> 01:15:30.540 >> Super yes, sir. So you're about to ask if people have 01:15:30.580 --> 01:15:34.120 other items would like to introduce I am good guess, 01:15:34.120 --> 01:15:39.020 yes, sir, yes, yes, sir, so are there any other items that 01:15:39.020 --> 01:15:41.260 mobility committee has that they'd like to bring forward for 01:15:41.260 --> 01:15:44.900 us to discuss at the future meeting. 01:15:44.900 --> 01:15:50.900 >> It would be there would you would dear would yeah, sure if 01:15:50.900 --> 01:15:54.100 we could have a conversation about that in the future there 01:15:54.140 --> 01:16:01.140 would kings row. You know in light of the complications 01:16:01.140 --> 01:16:04.480 that we're going to be encountering soon. 01:16:04.480 --> 01:16:06.380 >> That's not a problem. 01:16:06.380 --> 01:16:08.680 >> And I you know, I think having that discussion prior to 01:16:08.680 --> 01:16:11.220 that small area plan prioritization will be good too 01:16:11.220 --> 01:16:13.020 in advance of them. 01:16:13.020 --> 01:16:15.860 >> Yeah, great. 01:16:15.860 --> 01:16:18.060 >> Anything else anyone else. 01:16:18.100 --> 01:16:26.300 >> I just want to make sure that I'm on the right track. 01:16:26.300 --> 01:16:32.040 >> And also the through through lanes are through 01:16:32.040 --> 01:16:35.620 neighborhood, the Southeast neighborhood. 01:16:35.620 --> 01:16:39.420 They were having issues in regards to trucks coming 01:16:39.420 --> 01:16:43.720 through to get over to business that are over on Duncan Street. 01:16:43.720 --> 01:16:47.360 Yes, ma'am and they're missing that turn and they're going 01:16:47.400 --> 01:16:50.960 to have to go back and look for that turn to get over there. 01:16:50.960 --> 01:16:53.940 So I guess we'll need some kind of update on that. 01:16:53.940 --> 01:16:56.600 >> Sure we can do that and we have made some modifications in 01:16:56.600 --> 01:16:59.600 that area, but if we're still receiving the same complaints. 01:16:59.600 --> 01:17:03.420 We will work with Daniel Kramer screw. So yes, ma'am okay. 01:17:03.420 --> 01:17:08.480 >> Also I know for sure that a sign needs to be replaced or 01:17:08.480 --> 01:17:12.520 cleansed. When you make when you're coming up on Dallas 01:17:12.520 --> 01:17:15.720 Drive and you're going north on Dallas Drive. You make that 01:17:15.760 --> 01:17:21.360 left turn into Duncan Street and then there's a sign on the 01:17:21.360 --> 01:17:26.240 side of the road that says Duncan Street and then it says 01:17:26.240 --> 01:17:33.200 Shady Oaks, Shady Oaks. No way down. And then there's a sign 01:17:33.200 --> 01:17:36.640 that says Duncan Street right there for you know visitors to 01:17:36.640 --> 01:17:40.040 make that left turn into Duncan Street. It's just corroded. 01:17:40.040 --> 01:17:43.180 I don't know. You can't see it. And so maybe that might be 01:17:43.220 --> 01:17:47.080 when appears to be fairly small where maybe our drivers could 01:17:47.080 --> 01:17:50.420 actually look to see where Duncan Street is. It might be 01:17:50.420 --> 01:17:51.500 very helpful. 01:17:51.500 --> 01:17:54.860 >> Sure, James is here today. I know he's listening. So 01:17:54.860 --> 01:17:57.560 definitely will will look into that item. That's not a problem. 01:17:57.560 --> 01:18:00.360 >> All right. Thank you. That's the only thing I have. 01:18:00.360 --> 01:18:05.640 >> Mayor, kind of a follow on you know, Councilmember Byrd has 01:18:05.640 --> 01:18:09.080 asked over the months, you know, but different specific 01:18:09.100 --> 01:18:13.240 streets in Southeast Deton. But then we have this 2 minute 01:18:13.240 --> 01:18:18.760 pitch from the mayor about how do we look at Southeast Deton 01:18:18.760 --> 01:18:25.000 speed. And I just that got approved and I'm just curious 01:18:25.000 --> 01:18:28.460 to know what does that entail then? Is that something 01:18:28.460 --> 01:18:33.060 different? I mean, is that different from the citywide 01:18:33.060 --> 01:18:37.840 speed study? What would the next steps be on that? 01:18:37.880 --> 01:18:39.900 >> Sure, we're currently working through that process 01:18:39.900 --> 01:18:43.980 with the public works team streets operations, Daniel 01:18:43.980 --> 01:18:47.880 Kramer and Ethan Cox, general manager, really coordinating 01:18:47.880 --> 01:18:51.060 that effort. We also want to make mention of those roadways 01:18:51.060 --> 01:18:54.520 that are going to be a part of the citywide speed study. So 01:18:54.520 --> 01:18:57.220 that we have that recollection and knowledge to share with 01:18:57.220 --> 01:19:00.120 y'all of the information that we're going to be collecting in 01:19:00.120 --> 01:19:04.140 that area. But that is something that's being worked on 01:19:04.140 --> 01:19:06.700 through that process. So it's something we will have to bring 01:19:06.740 --> 01:19:10.400 back to you when we're ready. We're not quite ready yet with 01:19:10.400 --> 01:19:13.140 that level of detail and level of information. We could 01:19:13.140 --> 01:19:15.680 possibly be ready for the next mobility committee meeting. And 01:19:15.680 --> 01:19:19.880 if so, we'll bring that forward as an individual item. If not, 01:19:19.880 --> 01:19:22.680 it would be at one of the following meetings after that 01:19:22.680 --> 01:19:24.060 timeframe. 01:19:24.060 --> 01:19:26.780 >> Okay, great. Just so we get, you know, whatever degree of 01:19:26.780 --> 01:19:30.960 update you're prepared to give, you know, when we get together. 01:19:30.960 --> 01:19:33.300 >> Yes, sir. 01:19:33.320 --> 01:19:37.340 >> That's all I've got. So unless there's anything else, 01:19:37.340 --> 01:19:41.000 last call. We'll go to concluding items. You could 01:19:41.000 --> 01:19:44.240 make whatever your last thing is that you just thought of a 01:19:44.240 --> 01:19:46.780 concluding item. Anyone? 01:19:46.780 --> 01:19:49.880 >> Nothing. 01:19:49.880 --> 01:19:52.880 >> All right. Thank you, everyone. And Billy, thank you 01:19:52.880 --> 01:19:56.580 very much for accommodating me being remote. 01:19:56.580 --> 01:19:58.880 >> Absolutely, sir. Have a nice day. 01:19:58.880 --> 01:19:59.720 >> Have a good week. 01:19:59.720 --> 01:20:01.160 >> Bye-bye.