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 Good morning, and we are here for a joint meeting of the City Council on Planning and

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 It is Monday, February 14th, Happy Valentine's Day.

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 It is 10 a.m.

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 We do have a quorum, so I'll call the meeting to order and then turn it over to the P&Z

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 Thank you, Mayor.

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 Yes, good morning, everyone, and Happy Valentine's Day.

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 With the quorum present with the Commission, I will call the Commission to order at 10

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 And so we have one thing, one item on our agenda, and we'll follow the same kind of

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 Well, we'll reverse the format.

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 What I'll do is kind of defer to P&Z for questions first, and then we'll follow that

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 up at each break or each point of questions.

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 So the first item today is, and our only item, is item A, ID 22036, Receive Report and Hold

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 Discussion, Give Staff Direction, regarding the Denton 2040 Comprehensive Plan update and

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 the Draft 2022 Mobility Plan for the City of Denton.

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 Good morning.

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 Happy Valentine's Day.

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 Morning.

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 Becky Devaney.

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 I think I know most all of you.

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 Thank you for, number one, coming together today.

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 This is a very exciting time for our entire staff.

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 I don't know that I've ever been in this type of scenario before where Planning and Zoning

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 and City Council is all together, but what a great opportunity for us to share some of

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 the updates and comments we've received from both of you and really work through those.

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 So with that, I am going to get started.

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 I'm going to share my screen and start this slideshow.

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 There's always too many things on the screen.

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 Alrighty, so myself, Nathan George, and Pritam Deshmukh have worked together on this Draft

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 2022 Mobility Plan update.

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 Like I mentioned, I know in the meetings last week, both Tuesday and Wednesday, we received

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 a number of comments.

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 We thank you so much for your comments.

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 I know you all know this.

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 I know the comment and time to give comments has been happening for a number of years.

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 I just want to remind you, there have been presentations dating back on the Mobility

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 Plan all the way to 2019, so we've had lots of opportunities to come before Council and

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 I know there's been several presentations being that that was, in some cases, the more

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 I know today we're doing that hybrid world, but I don't believe that we would be moving

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 forward in this process unless we had that input that we received from all of you.

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 I know Eric has had a lot of questions, Commissioner Pruitt, we definitely appreciate that.

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 I know there's been lots of questions from you, Councilmember Davis, and from each and

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 every one of you that have given us this opportunity to come before you today.

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 So I just want to move forward and talk to you a little bit about our overview.

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 We're going to go through goal number one, safety first, previously goal number seven.

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 Talk about some focus areas.

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 We had a lot of comments that we had last presentation talking about some of those focus

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 areas we wanted to look in at, and I'm thankful that you brought those up because staff did

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 have that opportunity to go back and do a deeper dive and have made some modifications

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 based on some of the comments we received.

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 So I want to take the time to highlight those for you.

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 I want to show you an example at the very end of a project that uses a more phased approach

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 for construction just to kind of help everyone understand the overall goal, and then talk

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 about some next steps.

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 So in your backup, I know you received this as an ISR on Friday in your Friday report,

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 and I know Planning and Zoning was also receiving a copy of it.

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 So the first thing we heard from everyone was really to change, obviously, goal number

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 seven to number one.

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 I think we've all got that.

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 But then work forward to have the language be more proactive, and I use the word aggressive,

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 but I don't think that that's a negative term.

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 I think it's the right term to use.

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 And so we've worked through changing the order of which some of those strategies are aligned.

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 We've also worked through updating objective number 1A and making that not have so much

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 detail, but then make sure that everyone understands that safety is the number one priority for

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 planning, designing, and maintaining the roadway infrastructure and the entire transportation

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 I'll highlight a couple of more on strategy 1.1.

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 And we really did talk about Ditten's highest priority is protection of human life over

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 other aspects involved in that planning and design operation.

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 Strategy 1.2, we also changed.

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 We changed that word to design, evaluate, operate, and enforce safe speeds.

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 I will tell you, 1.4, we also worked through that acknowledge vulnerability of non-auto

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 Not going to read every single one of these for you.

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 Just wanted you to see the changes that we've made to the language.

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 and express that we did have that opportunity to go back and look and hope that we've met

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 Northeast Denton is interesting.

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 Took the time to take the land use map and put that behind the actual mobility plan.

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 I think it helps share the story a little bit better of what's going on in this area.

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 As you can see, quite a bit of the land is within the ETJ.

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 Of course, there's large waterway structures through this area.

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 I want to point out one thing that's really important, and we're going to deeper dive

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 into this area through the series of slides, but one thing I really want to point out is

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 if you look at it, the black road that you see here, the black road you see here, the

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 black road you see here, and then, of course, Loop 288 that comes down to 380, which I hope

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 that I'm on the right area, there I am because I can't see because there's this beautiful

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 This 380 area here that then connects to Loop 288, and then also FM 2164.

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 All of those are textile roadways.

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 All of those are roadways that really, as we work through this entire process, we wanted

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 to make sure that you understand there's not a whole lot of input or say that the city

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 has minus one, and I'll show you the difference that's happened on that roadway.

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 From there, you can see.

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 Now we've taken that opportunity to make those all very dark.

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 Like I mentioned, the 2164, 380, FM 428.

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 This was the integrated corridor, you see Loop 288, you see 380, and then of course

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 that connective piece that's to be constructed by TechStop between 380 and Loop 288.

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 The reason why I wanted to share this with you is so that you could see.

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 The original adopted currently, 2015 mobility plan, has a lot of different roadway networks

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 and it's shaped a little bit differently.

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 The schematics and the graphics that you see are quite different.

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 If you look at the current draft mobility plan that you can see, Cooper Creek was one

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 of the roadways that had some questions about it, along with Hartley Field Road, and then

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 Also, this integrated corridor did not exist in that time of the 2015 mobility plan.

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 the 2015 to the 2022 draft mobility plan.

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 why I wanted to show this to you all side by side is after staff went back and reviewed

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 We went back to our friends at TxDOT and said, "Tell us a little more.

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 As you can tell, of course, all these TxDOT roadways still exist, right?

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 The outer loop still exists, 2164 still exists, Loop 288, 380, the connective tissue between

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 All of those are still TxDOT roadways.

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 We all know that's the roadway that we all take to Aubrey.

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 I'll be taking at 5 o'clock today to go watch my son play baseball in Aubrey.

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 What I will tell you is what we've learned, and I'm going to first highlight the road

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 that we've highlighted in red.

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 TxDOT is no longer considering the integrated corridor.

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 course, 380, which is this roadway you see here.

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 The improvements that TxDOT is going to make in this area based on their traffic studies

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 and the way that we understand it today is to connect this outer loop piece, which I

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 up to 80,000 additional cars going through this area.

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 the growth to be along 380.

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 This gives us the opportunity on the integrated corridor to look at it through a little bit

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 So staff went back and looked at it, reviewed it with our partners at the county and our

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 partners at TxDOT, and believe that the best thing to do at this time is to change that

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 that a primary arterial.

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 Keep in mind, that's still 135 feet of rideway.

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 It's still a six-lane roadway.

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 I will show you an example of 135-foot rideway that was actually built to a smaller cross-section

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 The next roadway I want to highlight is Cooper Creek Road.

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 areas where they were within the city limits, and also the cross-section looking at where

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 it would be crossing creeks, et cetera, and the alignment.

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 Staff feels like it's the best thing to make that instead of a primary arterial.

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 It still provides that connectivity from 380 all the way due north.

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 We obviously know we have 2164 and we have FM428 that are also getting to those areas

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 outside of town, but we felt like it was best to lower that based on the data and the evaluation

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 that it is, that it was best to evaluate that and change that from being a collector, I'm

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 sorry, bringing a secondary arterial to being a collector.

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 the integrated corridor no longer being a freeway, being a primary arterial.

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 best way to move forward.

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 So I'm going to go from Northeast Denton, and as you can see, same thing again.

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 Look at all of the TxDOT roadway network that's in that area.

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 I think you've heard me say this before, but when I started with City of Denton in 2001,

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 the first time I was here, we had seven TxDOT roadways that go through the city.

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 We now have six, being that McKinney is now a city roadway, but, you know, Denton is unique

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 in the fact that it has so many roadways that are TxDOT that actually go through the city.

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 So the next focus area we wanted to look at is Southeast Denton.

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 Same type of conversation, really looking at the focus areas.

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 I know there's a lot of conversations about Morris Street, Woodrow, Shady Oaks, really

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 They're already shown to what their status is.

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 They're not proposed roadways.

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 I will tell you, they may not be functioning or constructed to their current classification,

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 but that's where staff would evaluate a roadway like Morris, see that it's shown as a collector,

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 and look at if there's modifications that need to be made to that cross section to make

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 Moving on, wanted to focus in on Southwest Denton.

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 As you are probably familiar with, this is the Hunter Cole development.

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 Really what I want to hone in on here is just to mention to you that staff has ongoing conversations.

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 We meet with Hunter on Mondays and Coles on Thursdays every other week.

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 We have constant conversation with those teams.

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 We're evaluating a lot of the roadways that they are bringing forward to us and looking

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 at different changes that they're anticipating being made or that they recommend.

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 But keep in mind, this is a master plan community that already has an agreement that's gone

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 through the city.

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 And so there are roadway networks that have to be constructed as a part of those agreements

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 and a part of those processes.

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 So anything that they bring forward that they want to make a modification on, we have to

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 have that data to support it, including that traffic study information.

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 I will mention to you two roadways that you see highlighted in red that are being removed.

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 Obviously, this connection piece was an existing connection.

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 When this new roadway is built right here, this is Underwood and 2449.

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 So when you see this little connection piece, it did not make sense to keep that anymore.

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 So we will be eliminating that because now the roadway will head north.

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 The other roadway is this roadway that you see that abuts basically Robeson Ranch that

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 separates Hunter, I'm sorry, the Hunter Ranch from Robeson Ranch.

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 That was a roadway that staff was already removing from the overall documents.

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 So just wanted to highlight that those two roadways are being removed.

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 So this is the project I promised you at the end that I would show you.

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 This is really a phased approach to construction of arterials.

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 For those of you who don't know, this is Mayhill Road.

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 And so really what I wanted to focus in on, it dedicated the ultimate right of way.

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 For those of you who have driven it, you know what a beautiful roadway it is.

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 Of course, I'm always going to say construction is beautiful because I love it.

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 But, you know, we constructed that required sized facility that was based on the current

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 capacity, right?

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 So it is an ultimate cross section of a primary arterial.

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 But as it's functioning today, it's constructed to that secondary arterial.

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 And when we have that opportunity and when the opportunity exists based on the traffic

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 demands and the needs in the area and the traffic studies that are created, then we

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 have that opportunity to widen towards the median.

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 So additional right of way won't be required.

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 It still will be the 135 foot for the most part.

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 There may be some additional right of way, of course, sometimes that are needed at intersections.

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 But what I wanted to show you is we have that opportunity with the medians to actually restripe

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 and make this a three lane in each direction, six lane primary arterial at the time that's

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 necessary.

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 So I thought this was a really good case study.

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 And I appreciate our team really working to develop this and show it for you to show you.

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 You can dedicate the ultimate right of way.

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 You can have that line on the map that says eventually at some time down the road, this

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 is going to be a primary arterial and you can have the data to support that it only

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 needs to be a secondary arterial at this time.

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 So just wanted to show you a real life situation that's happening to date.

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 So next steps, obviously, you know, it's critical that we work to a step to adopt the mobility

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 plan so that we can work forward with doing those roadway impact fees.

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 And we currently have that slated to bring back to you in the springtime.

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 The Vision Zero framework, that's something we're working with Pre-Tim on.

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 And he's taking the lead on that between transportation planning and our engineering team.

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 And we plan on bringing that back in the May, June timeframe.

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 And then, of course, that citywide speed study, Nathan is leading that effort.

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 And that's something that you will finally see come forward to you towards late summer,

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 so August, September timeframe.

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 So just explaining to you that I know a lot of the conversations we've had have been related

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 to speed, Vision Zero, and ultimately knowing that in order to adopt the mobility plan and

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 move forward, then the next steps will be really working through these three different

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 big task items that our teams are working through.

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 And with that, I will end the presentation.

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 And there were several of us that are here and can answer any questions that you might

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 have.

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 And I appreciate the time.

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 I do want to just mention to you that we're still obviously wanting to take any comments

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 or questions that you have.

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 That's what we're here for, is to listen to you, try to understand what your requests

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 are, what your concerns are, and work through that process to get the mobility plan adopted.

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 So I appreciate so much you taking that opportunity to join each other together on Valentine's

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 Day, and for us to take this time to have this meeting.

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 So Mayor, I'll turn it over to you, sir.

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 No, thank you very much.

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 And so just as I turn it over to PNZ commissioners, I would just ask that we give, maximize the

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 time we have with staff here, and give direction.

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 State an issue, state a suggestion as change, suggested change, adjustment, etc., etc.,

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 so that everyone at the dais and online can understand what you're proposing, and react

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 to that, and try to drive toward consensus to then, again, move us towards adopting this.

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 So again, if we can set aside some of the narratives for right now, and focus on giving

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 staff direction while they're here, and then we can get into those things later, or in

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 a different way.

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 But while we have staff here, I'd love to get direction kind of pared down, and give

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 them next steps so that they can make adjustments, and bring it to us for a vote.

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 Commissioner Nellis?

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 Thank you, Mayor.

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 Becky, thank you to you and your team, as always, for working so hard on this.

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 Any questions for staff at this time?

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 Commissioner Pruitt?

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 Thank you, Chair.

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 Some of these buttons work a little different than others.

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 Just real briefly, is there any proposed change to that roadway classifications table within

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 the mobility plan at this time from staff?

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 Could you give me a little bit more information?

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 It's that table that describes the function of different roadway classifications, their

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 proposed width, their speed, that sort of thing.

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 Sure, the blue one that has the white text.

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 So like I mentioned during planning and zoning, we are not gonna recommend changing that chart.

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 What we are going to recommend is adding some additional, and I appreciate you bringing

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 that up to me, adding some additional verbiage to explain that these are parameters of which

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 typical designs are done, but that the actual traffic studies and actual design parameters

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 are going to be put on that design engineer and have city staff input really through the

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 evaluation process of those roadways.

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 So those are really just kind of the bumpers, you know, kind of the standards that align

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 with those standard details, but definitely going to add some verbiage at the end really

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 to explain that that's the purpose of it.

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 So it's not seen as thou shalt do X and B, so cookie cutter, if that will help with the

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 concerns.

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 Yeah, I think that does.

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 I just, it was a very big departure from the similar chart that was shared with council

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 at work session back in early 2020 that really kind of showed the difference of those roadway

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 classification uses from a rural to a suburban to an urban context.

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 So I wanted to make sure that that was going to be incorporated.

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 Thank you.

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 Absolutely sir.

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 Thank you.

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 Commissioner Anderson.

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 Thank you chair.

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00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:10,720
 Good afternoon city council.

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 I did have a question about Hartley Field Road through many of our PNZ meetings with

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 the development that's going on to the west of Hartley Field.

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 Many residents have come in front of us and sent us emails about not wanting to connect

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 Hartley Field Road and make it a major thoroughfare.

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 But did I hear correctly that that is what the cities want to do because the developer

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 said they didn't have any plans in developing or connecting their neighborhood into Hartley

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 Field.

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 The current plan of the mobility plan is to show that roadway as a secondary arterial,

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 which would be 110 foot wide cross section that could be built to a two lane each direction

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 or four lane total roadway.

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 That obviously would be something that as that development comes through that staff

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 will be evaluating and having those conversations based on the traffic demands in that area.

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 Could they not, could the city not look at building that road just behind Hartley Field

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 just to the north of it?

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 Because that's what many residents said because that neighborhood has already developed.

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 It's a rural development.

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 Kids are playing out in the streets and they don't want major traffic flow through their

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 neighborhood.

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 I mean, many of them spoke about that.

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 Sure.

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 Staff has that opportunity to evaluate the actual alignment of that roadway and where

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 that actually will be located at the time that those developments come through.

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 So if that is just a little bit north, I know there was a little bit of a gap in between

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 the existing homes.

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 If I'm remembering correctly what you're referring to, sir, there was a gap between where the

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 existing homes were, where Hartley Field Road was, and then the development to the north

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 of that location.

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 So where that actual alignment goes for that roadway specifically, it's currently aligned

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 in the existing roadway network that is in that area.

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 That's a typical situation is to align an actual roadway with the existing line that's

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 on the ground, but based on when that development comes through, we do have that opportunity

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 to be flexible to move that roadway either north or south to align with what makes sense

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 for that overall development.

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 At this point, it's a schematic that shows that yes, there is a need for a secondary

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 arterial in that area, if that makes sense.

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 It does.

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 Thank you.

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 But I just want, I don't know if y'all have heard all the people, all the people's comments

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 that live in Hartley Field, but they are not wanting a major thoroughfare through their

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 neighborhood.

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 I'm just letting that be on record.

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 Absolutely, sir.

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 I appreciate that comment.

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 If we need to make any adjustments based on those comments received, we will definitely

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 look into that and make sure that if there's anything that needs to be adjusted, whether

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 that's moving that roadway a little bit north, that we'll evaluate that.

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 As I mentioned, it's just following that current alignment of that roadway in the area.

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 So I appreciate you bringing that up.

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 And thank you, thank you, the city for y'all's hard work on this.

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 Yes, sir.

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 Any other questions from commissioners?

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 I do not see any, Mayor.

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 I'm going to turn that back to you.

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 All right.

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 And yeah, so council members, direction from council.

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 Council Member Guara, then Mayor Proctor Meltzer.

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 Thank you, Mayor.

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 And just so you know, I think Council Member Beck and I were both using the screen to get

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 in the queue.

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 But first, I feel like I owe you and your staff, especially Pritam, an apology.

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 I was speaking a little bit off the cuff.

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 I was kind of distracted at our last work session.

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 And although I think that, you know, I still sort of hold the, I still do hold the concerns

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 that I expressed.

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 I also recognize that given the timeline, it's not realistic to expect you to respond

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 to everything that I said at our last work session before we need to pass a mobility

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 plan.

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 So I, you know, I apologize for kind of throwing that out there so flippantly.

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 And I recognize that this is a living document that's going to continue to evolve.

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 And I hope that as it continues to evolve, it will move closer to what I think is that

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 community vision of, you know, moving a little bit farther away from the suburban, late 20th

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 century, hierarchical roadway design.

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 I do think that, I mean, I see that you've taken those comments seriously in the changes

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 that you've made to Cooper Creek Road.

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 So thank you for taking a look at that and seeing what you can do to address those concerns

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 in a very short timeframe.

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 I sort of intuited that you were taking that phased approach to arterials and dedicating

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 more right of way that was needed.

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 It seems like you're also taking that approach on Hickory Creek Road.

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 Would you say that that's true?

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 In some situations, we are looking at doing that, yes.

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 Okay.

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 What kind of impact does, do those wide medians have on pedestrian access or pedestrian crossings

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 on those roads?

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 Can you speak to that a little bit?

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 Sure.

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 I'd be happy to.

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 Nathan, would you like to speak to that?

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 I will let the expert speak to it.

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00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:54,560
 Thanks, Nathan George, also with Capital Projects Engineering.

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 Wide medians, so I'll say first that when I look at safety and intersection design,

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 I'm looking at the goal that I would have as a compact intersection.

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 When I say that, I mean a lot of times when we have wide medians, it does create a challenge

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 for a pedestrian cross street.

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 The wider the intersection, the longer the crossing time.

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 The longer the crossing time, the more impact that has on operations of the signal.

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 So it's sort of a challenge for us as our traffic operations division who runs the timing

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 on the signals to allow adequate time.

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 So the wider the intersection, the more challenge it is to balance the needs of vehicles versus

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 the needs of pedestrians.

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 Those wide medians can be beneficial in a way.

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 We want to have some space for refuge and it helps lower turning speeds.

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 Medians tend to discourage drivers from cutting the corner, like if you have just a painted

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 turn lane or something like that.

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 So they might actually drive a little bit faster and a little bit more recklessly.

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 So there are some benefits, but it's really a trade off at each specific location.

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 And I would tend to prefer not having wide medians.

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 So there's that four lane to six lane and the carving up of that space for future needs

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 from a vehicular standpoint.

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 And I think to your points across the board, what we really need to focus on is adapting

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 our design standards to more of a complete streets approach.

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 Narrow lanes, that helps us make the intersections more compact, shorten up those crossings.

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 People still maybe want to have those medians, but perhaps a little bit narrower.

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 But it's really about trying to use different design variables to make the intersection

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 more compact and that will make it safer.

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 Thanks.

462
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,680
 So I hear that it's kind of a trade off.

463
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:50,640
 Are there opportunities maybe for altering the design of those medians to make them safe?

464
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:57,400
 You used the word refuge, a safer place for pedestrians to stand and wait?

465
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,000
 Are there opportunities there?

466
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,000
 Yes.

467
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,520
 So when we design an intersection, if there's a place of refuge, we call that a pass through

468
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,400
 median or a refuge median.

469
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,960
 So it's basically the crosswalk would go through the median.

470
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,000
 And that does provide a little bit of a safety enhancement.

471
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,440
 Typically, you want to have a little median in front of the crosswalk and that forces

472
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,760
 cars to turn a little bit more slowly.

473
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,880
 So depending on the design of the roadway, there are certainly opportunities to use that

474
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,000
 median as a safety feature and then maybe put some additional elements.

475
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,760
 The other challenge I'll point to is that if the intersection is very large, you may

476
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:36,760
 have to put some signal equipment in the median to make sure that if somebody were to get

477
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,960
 stranded in the median, they'd have the ability to call the signal.

478
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,500
 So it would give them a walk if they're in the median.

479
00:32:44,500 --> 00:32:49,200
 So that's another consideration to take that tends to prefer not having those really wide

480
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,920
 medians but more of a narrow median.

481
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,320
 Okay, great.

482
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:54,800
 So thank you so much.

483
00:32:54,800 --> 00:33:01,320
 I think my direction then is as broad as my direction always is, is that moving forward,

484
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:07,360
 I would love to see staff kind of balancing those concerns of acquiring right of way but

485
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:13,560
 also wanting to make it accessible to pedestrians and other folks who are not driving.

486
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:14,560
 Thanks.

487
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:15,560
 Okay.

488
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,020
 And so the screen's not working.

489
00:33:18,020 --> 00:33:23,160
 I don't think they signed in, so I'm not seeing the buttons.

490
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:27,600
 So, just, you'll have to indicate by raising your hand.

491
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,080
 And so I have Mayor Pro Tem and then we'll come back to Councilmember Beck.

492
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,560
 Mayor, you'll have to have them raise their hand.

493
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,480
 I think it was difficult for them to get the screen set up for everybody.

494
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,040
 So if they'll just raise their hand.

495
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,040
 Right.

496
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,040
 Yeah.

497
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,520
 No, I didn't even realize anyone was logged in to use that feature.

498
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:43,520
 So we're good.

499
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:44,520
 Mayor Pro Tem Elter.

500
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:45,520
 Yeah.

501
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:46,520
 Thank you, Mayor.

502
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:56,160
 First of all, thank you, Becky, you know, for giving us the drill down and I was particularly

503
00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:03,920
 interested in doing that so we could see how mobility is integrated with future land use

504
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:11,760
 map and mostly with respect to the Northeast and Southwest, as far as whether they line

505
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:17,480
 up and agree in terms of the planned intensity of development.

506
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,200
 And I didn't really get that, so I'm hoping you can help a little bit.

507
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:27,920
 What I got out of your discussion on the Northeast was that in a relook, you've sort of downgraded

508
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:37,480
 the planned sort of intensity of the roadways, but first of all, are they still being expanded

509
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,880
 from where they are and how does that tie in?

510
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,360
 Let's just take Northeast.

511
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:50,000
 How does that tie in to what the future land use map says about the intensity of development

512
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,500
 there?

513
00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:55,280
 So if you're specifically talking about Northeast, you know, that's the reason why I wanted to

514
00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:00,520
 show you all of the ETJ and all of the text that roadway network in that area.

515
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,640
 And you know, explain to you where the city limits is, because if you look at that area,

516
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:10,400
 the majority of the roadways in the far corner of that map really are roadways that we're

517
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:15,600
 showing on our map to align with what the county thoroughfare plan would show and then

518
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,200
 also with those connective tissues to TxDOT.

519
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:23,840
 You know, a lot of that area is really going to be areas of which are going to grow in

520
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:29,040
 the future, and we want to make sure we're in alignment with those future growths.

521
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:33,280
 But I would just mention that specifically in the northeastern section, the majority

522
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,000
 of that is really not within the city of Denton city limits.

523
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:42,320
 So we do feel like based on the land use map in that area, what we currently know, this

524
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,880
 is the reason why you see the mobility plan come back at least at a minimum every five

525
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:53,800
 years because land will change, land uses will change, growth will happen.

526
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:59,240
 And when those types of things happen, we want that opportunity to reassess the roadway

527
00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:00,240
 network in that area.

528
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:04,280
 And so the reason why you see us changing those classifications of those roadways are

529
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:09,960
 based on current situations and current data that we know in those areas, downgrading the

530
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:14,480
 classifications of those roadways, or getting in alignment with those changes in the plan

531
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:20,000
 that TxDOT has made from those integrated corridor, outer loop, et cetera.

532
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:25,720
 Specifically in the southwest portion of town, those are decisions that have previously been

533
00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:28,600
 made through that master plan community that's gone through council.

534
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:36,400
 - If I can interrupt a little bit, Becky, and with respect to southwest, my concern

535
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:44,200
 was you mostly focused on the coal hunter part, which is, frankly, it hasn't come up

536
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:51,760
 as much since those communities were planned, but the discussions that I've heard at council

537
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:58,280
 were more about, again, kind of in the lower right part of that focus area.

538
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:06,240
 Does the planned roadway expansion match the expected intensity of development?

539
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:11,120
 'Cause those are both northeast and southwestern areas where you repeatedly hear an interest

540
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:18,200
 in preserving rural fringe, and the concern is, does a mobility plan line up with that?

541
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:26,920
 So is that really in the future land use map, or, you know, and as far as any amount of

542
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:31,440
 rural character in either of those areas, and is that what the mobility plan says?

543
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,840
 That really, to me, is the key question on both those quadrants.

544
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:42,800
 I mean, you hear it over and over that hardly feel, you know, those are still contributing

545
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,480
 rural areas.

546
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:49,120
 - And feel free to answer, finish your last, it got truncated a bit, so if there's anything

547
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:54,920
 else to pick up from where you were, where that, you know, just feel free to complete

548
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,520
 your thought, and then the additional questions.

549
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:58,520
 - No, thank you.

550
00:37:58,520 --> 00:37:59,520
 I appreciate that.

551
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,440
 You know, I was just gonna mention that the southwestern area, the majority of that is

552
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,920
 a part of that Hunter-Coal, and those decisions have been made through those developer agreements.

553
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:12,640
 I will tell you that staff has evaluated based on the comments that we've received from Hunter

554
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:17,720
 and Coal, and looked at if there's anything that needs to be modified in those areas.

555
00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:25,760
 But I would say, in general, our goal is to be in alignment with the land use map.

556
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:32,440
 We've looked at the mobility based on not only the land use map, multiple occasions,

557
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:39,080
 but then also really looking at some of those ETJ areas and seeing, you know, where those

558
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:43,040
 areas are that where the staff does have the opportunity to make the changes and not.

559
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:48,240
 Keep in mind, you know, in those ETJ areas, those are where the possibilities of those

560
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:54,280
 muds come in, and, you know, those decisions will be made through those efforts with collaboration

561
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:55,280
 with the county.

562
00:38:55,280 --> 00:39:00,680
 And so, you know, I would say that to the best of our ability, if you see a particular

563
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:05,360
 area that's still concerning you, or a particular area that you'd like for us to look at to,

564
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:10,640
 or even get with you and discuss, we'd be more than happy to do so.

565
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:17,960
 So I feel comfortable with the information that's being shared, and I also understand,

566
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:24,760
 like I mentioned, that this is something that gets updated, you know, as even Councilmember

567
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,560
 McGuire mentioned, you know, it's a living document.

568
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:33,120
 It's a schematic in nature type document, and our goal is to, as the land use changes

569
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:38,880
 or growth happens, to continuously making modifications to the document.

570
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:43,060
 But sorry, I'd be happy if there's a particular area that you're concerned about to sit down

571
00:39:43,060 --> 00:39:45,160
 with you and go over that area.

572
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:51,080
 Well, I mean, we'll see if others have the same, you know, interest.

573
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,560
 I mean, I think this is that opportunity.

574
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,800
 You know, you're focusing on those areas, which is great.

575
00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:01,200
 You know, I really just want to hear clearly how much intensity is of development.

576
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:07,280
 I mean, it's not just on you, you know, Becky, it's kind of jointly what's the look between

577
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,080
 development and you.

578
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,400
 How intense is the development that's expected?

579
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:12,880
 Does that line up with the road?

580
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:13,880
 Sure.

581
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:14,880
 And I'm going to let...

582
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:15,880
 Oh, go ahead, David.

583
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:16,880
 I'm sorry.

584
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:17,880
 I just saw you hop on the screen.

585
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:22,580
 I was going to let Tina also talk a little bit about the comp plan in alignment with

586
00:40:22,580 --> 00:40:26,080
 the land use map and then also the mobility plan.

587
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:27,080
 Sure.

588
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,320
 And Tina will be able to better articulate this, I'm sure.

589
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,720
 But just in advance of Tina addressing the question, I think the point that Becky made

590
00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:39,080
 on the muds, especially in the northeast, as we're looking at those textile roadways

591
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:44,800
 coming through and really kind of narrowing in on Cooper Creek and Collins, you know,

592
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,680
 downgraded those, trying to really take that fresh look.

593
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,320
 What do we really need right now?

594
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,800
 What do we need over the next number of years?

595
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:53,800
 But we just don't have control.

596
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,880
 So we had the land use considerations for sure.

597
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,680
 We had the textile considerations for sure.

598
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,200
 But we just don't have that same level of control in those muds.

599
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,360
 And they're coming in that ETJ section right there.

600
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,200
 So that's just going to place demands on those roadways.

601
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,760
 But I'll hand it over to Tina.

602
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:10,760
 Thank you, David.

603
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,200
 And Tina Fergens, Deputy Director of Development Services and Planning Director.

604
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,200
 And just along those same lines, I was going to say it a little bit different way, but

605
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:21,920
 the challenge that we have, Mayor Pro Tem, is we're trying to balance the land use development

606
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,760
 that we know that is happening within that area.

607
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,720
 I mean, we see the growth pressures right now in the northeast quadrant of the city.

608
00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:29,520
 So we're trying to balance that.

609
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,280
 We're also trying to balance that with the direction that we receive from council, which

610
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,580
 is our desire to try to keep the character rural, agricultural, and nature.

611
00:41:36,580 --> 00:41:38,840
 But we know that our hands are tied to some extent.

612
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:44,160
 We had this conversation a lot last week with respect to the development within the ETJ.

613
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:48,360
 And when it comes to the ETJ, as you know, if we receive subdivision plots that comply

614
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,200
 with all of the remaining of our development standards, that we're obligated to approve

615
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:53,200
 them.

616
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,360
 We also have the challenge with the muds, as David also spoke to, and that could potentially

617
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:58,540
 form in that area.

618
00:41:58,540 --> 00:42:04,160
 So if we do not plan for some sort of roadway infrastructure right now, then we're really

619
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,960
 setting ourselves up for bigger challenges later on.

620
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,160
 And we're trying to find the balance, right?

621
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,820
 So our team has further evaluated that area.

622
00:42:11,820 --> 00:42:16,120
 We feel comfortable downgrading the north-south roadway down to the secondary arterial down

623
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,080
 from the primary.

624
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:22,680
 That's a little bit lesser right of way, as Becky illustrated.

625
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,920
 We try to design our roadways based upon the context of the development that's occurring

626
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,180
 within the area.

627
00:42:27,180 --> 00:42:30,960
 But we have to be careful that if we limit ourselves too much right now, then we could

628
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,360
 potentially be setting ourselves up in future councils and planning and zoning commissions

629
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:38,840
 up with a lot greater challenge, because it's going to be difficult to try and go in and

630
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,660
 acquire additional right of way as those properties develop.

631
00:42:41,660 --> 00:42:47,120
 So we're trying to look in our crystal ball and see what is the best decision that we

632
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:48,120
 can make right now.

633
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:52,040
 As Becky pointed out, we do have the ability to reevaluate the comprehensive plan and the

634
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,000
 mobility plan every five to 10 years.

635
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:59,000
 In this particular area, I know we've talked about doing area plans also, because we really

636
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:03,460
 see the future being in an area plan will allow for a little bit deeper dive analysis,

637
00:43:03,460 --> 00:43:07,360
 so that hopefully we can look to see do we need to make any refinements to any land use

638
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:12,120
 assumptions as well as address the roadway network based upon those land use assumptions

639
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:13,120
 as well.

640
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,960
 So it may not be the answer that you want to hear, Mayor Pro Tem Meltzer, but right

641
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,520
 now we're trying to do the best we can to balance the needs for the area based upon

642
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:21,520
 what we do know.

643
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,160
 It actually, you know, it is the answer that I'm looking for.

644
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:29,760
 I appreciate it that, you know, just a clear statement of what exactly is it we're trying

645
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:30,760
 to accommodate.

646
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:37,640
 So it's muds that we can't control that will add intensity up there.

647
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:48,040
 And I appreciate your similar thoughts about expected land use intensity and how that matches

648
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:54,200
 or doesn't match, you know, the roads in the Southwest, not talking about and I'm not talking

649
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:58,240
 so much about Cole Hunter, but the area that you keep hearing about, you know, around Hickory

650
00:43:58,240 --> 00:43:59,240
 Creek.

651
00:43:59,240 --> 00:44:03,480
 Well, and I would say the Southwest area is a little bit easier for us to be able to analyze

652
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,640
 and evaluate because the existing zoning is in place there, particularly with the Cole

653
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,680
 Ranch and the Hunter ranches that are there, because all of that has already been titled.

654
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,760
 So we know what we're receiving there.

655
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,280
 Northeast area a little bit different because we have so much ETJ in that area.

656
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:20,440
 And so we're trying to balance what we see is happening in that area with what we know

657
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,560
 and how can we plan smart for the future in that area?

658
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:24,560
 Okay.

659
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:25,560
 Councilman Brett.

660
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:26,560
 Thank you.

661
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:27,560
 Thank you.

662
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:28,560
 Thank you.

663
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:29,560
 Thank you.

664
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:30,560
 Mr. Mayor.

665
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:31,560
 I have let's follow up.

666
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:36,780
 I'll take my questions out of work as I want to follow on from that thought train.

667
00:44:36,780 --> 00:44:43,720
 So particular areas that I want to ask questions about sort of the alignments of potential

668
00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:50,440
 right of ways and issues like that are this area that we just discussed, the 377 and the

669
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:56,080
 35W corridor, it looks like from the future land use map, the density is a little higher.

670
00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:03,120
 But when you go to the thoroughfare plan, the road network proposed, especially as you

671
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:07,880
 get south of Dania and Rose Lawn and stuff is sparser.

672
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:13,960
 And so it's a question, does that mobility alignment align with the more intense use towards

673
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,720
 the southern border in that corridor?

674
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:21,460
 So that's just east of Hunter Call.

675
00:45:21,460 --> 00:45:26,200
 But not all of it's part of Hunter Call, a lot of it's in independent development.

676
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:34,160
 So my question is, does the mobility alignment align with more intense future land use?

677
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:35,600
 And that really is a question.

678
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,160
 If it's sufficient, it's sufficient, but it just seemed like when you look at the rest

679
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:47,280
 of the areas where there's more density, the networks, like you just go east of there into

680
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:53,120
 the sort of due south, that's, you can see the, oh yeah, here we're adding roads, we're

681
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:57,040
 widening roads, blah, blah, blah, along 1830 and stuff.

682
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:02,800
 But just in that corridor, just south of Rose Lawn between 377 and 35, it looked like the,

683
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:07,200
 I wasn't seeing the alignment of the orange with the thoroughfare map.

684
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:12,980
 And so maybe you can help me understand that.

685
00:46:12,980 --> 00:46:15,600
 And then I have a similar question for along 28.

686
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:16,600
 Okay.

687
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,800
 So yes, what we have shown on the mobility plan and what we have shown on the conference

688
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,980
 of plan, we believe are in alignment with each other.

689
00:46:21,980 --> 00:46:25,200
 So knowing what some of the existing development patterns that are happening down there in

690
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:29,080
 the southern portion of town, also take into consideration the existing entitlements in

691
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:30,080
 that area.

692
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:34,600
 And we've matched that up to be appropriate between the mobility plan and the conference

693
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:35,600
 of plan.

694
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:36,600
 All right.

695
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:37,960
 Well, I hope you're right.

696
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:44,040
 I mean, one of the things that we're seeing in particular regions is choke points where

697
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:49,080
 we have insufficient roadways and too many single entrances.

698
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:53,700
 And I know we don't really do that anymore, but I think to the extent that we can avoid

699
00:46:53,700 --> 00:46:57,000
 creating choke points in the future, I would sure like to do that.

700
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:01,960
 Well, if you ask my team, what's the one soapbox I stand on a regular basis is the access,

701
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:02,960
 right?

702
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,240
 And trying to ensure that we have, that we're trying to minimize those choke points and

703
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:07,960
 be able to get access into development.

704
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:12,600
 You know, part of the challenge that we have in our community, and this is no different

705
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,640
 in Denton compared to other communities that are experiencing growth.

706
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:19,360
 When you have, and our challenge is also coupled by the fact with all the text out roadways

707
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,840
 we have, because some of them don't have frontage roads on them, right?

708
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,240
 So they limit our ability for any further movement and connectivity.

709
00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:29,920
 But what you find is that in communities that are still experiencing growth and development,

710
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,840
 what you have is that the infrastructure gets constructed and gets phased in.

711
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,920
 I mean, if we had unlimited amounts of money, we could go out and build all these roadways

712
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:41,440
 first and do some things that I've seen Frisco where they've built six lanes divided arterials

713
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,040
 in areas that just have farmland on either side.

714
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,200
 But we're not in that position here in Denton to be able to go out and build all these roadways,

715
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:48,200
 right?

716
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,600
 And so we rely upon the development community in order to be able to assist us in developing

717
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:52,600
 our roadways.

718
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,560
 Our roadway network, unfortunately, is going to be phased approach.

719
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,200
 Becky's team does a great job with their capital projects and planning that they have and trying

720
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,240
 to do improvements where we can.

721
00:48:01,240 --> 00:48:03,600
 But we are going to have some pain points.

722
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,640
 And that's going to be as areas continue to experience some development, we're going to

723
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,960
 have to partner with the developers to be able to get our roadways constructed in relation

724
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:10,960
 to that.

725
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,400
 And I had a similar question.

726
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:13,400
 Thank you.

727
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:14,400
 I appreciate that.

728
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,360
 And a similar question.

729
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:23,440
 If we compare the bikeped plan to the thoroughfare plan along 28 near the new shelter, this is

730
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:29,840
 something that I remember Commissioner Smith and I asking about access south along 288

731
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,080
 to get to those services as opposed to going into the network.

732
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,480
 It looks like the thoroughfare map is along Audre.

733
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:44,920
 And so I guess, do we have sufficient south bikeped access?

734
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:52,360
 I see the bike plan has us going sort of in and out of Audre near the shelter.

735
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:59,900
 But nothing between the shelter and McKinney, and yet there's services up and down in there.

736
00:48:59,900 --> 00:49:03,440
 So I guess, is that a place that we've overlooked?

737
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:09,320
 Or do we have a plan in mind and I can just rest comfortably?

738
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:14,040
 From a pedestrian perspective, the answer is we have put in a sidewalk project in our

739
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,240
 trip, proposed trip project application for this year.

740
00:49:17,240 --> 00:49:21,640
 So that will address our pedestrian accessibility.

741
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:28,120
 From a bicycle perspective, we will need to add some lines to the map, I would say.

742
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:29,440
 Loop 288 has not been addressed.

743
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:34,240
 That's going to be a real challenge because Loop 288, we're in the process of putting

744
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:41,400
 in sidewalks and then to recommend putting in bicycle accommodations as well is a higher

745
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,140
 level recommendation.

746
00:49:43,140 --> 00:49:47,960
 So ideally we would make those accommodations as we deliver new projects, but if their sidewalk

747
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:54,920
 projects are not combined bikeped, that would then not address that need, if you will.

748
00:49:54,920 --> 00:50:01,880
 And yes, the north-south activity, we have kind of the bike lanes a little bit west of

749
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:08,920
 there, but we don't have any tandem access along Loop 288 proposed currently.

750
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:19,100
 My one micro-direction would be for then that I would ask staff to focus on that because

751
00:50:19,100 --> 00:50:24,320
 we see pedestrian access up and down that green swath to go from Serve Denton and other

752
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,840
 services that are in the courthouse, blah, blah, blah.

753
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:34,000
 There's lots of little services in there that are used and I'd love to see us make sure

754
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,120
 that that is not a gap.

755
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:41,960
 It may not be a gap, but I would like maybe some, to just make sure if that's something

756
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:42,960
 we can clean up.

757
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,760
 Yeah, I'll say if I could just offer, Mayhill Road is just off the map that I have in front

758
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:52,080
 of me, but that's our primary north-south bike and pedestrian access, so that provides

759
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,080
 our what I would call our priority north-south access.

760
00:50:55,080 --> 00:51:00,220
 We have a number of east-west branches that come off of that facility, so that will be

761
00:51:00,220 --> 00:51:05,440
 sort of our highest order facility in the nearby area.

762
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,480
 The trip application will address the missing sidewalks.

763
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:15,560
 I actually took a photo on that corridor as one of my primary missing sidewalk areas in

764
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:16,560
 the city.

765
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,000
 It's one of the areas that really needs to be addressed.

766
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:23,000
 It is a textile roadway, of course, so we're going in and filling in the gaps that were

767
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:28,720
 left by the roadway project, but it is a priority to make sure it's pedestrian accessible and

768
00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:35,080
 we'll be focusing on making sure bicycle users know that Mayhill is going to be their priority

769
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,600
 facility, at least in the near term, until we can build out more of a network elsewhere.

770
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:44,560
 Yeah, and I understand that in the future Mayhill will be more, and as we grow it'll

771
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,960
 expand and we have the control of Mayhill.

772
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:51,920
 And I hear that we're hitting all these text-dot, Becky said this at the beginning of her presentation,

773
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:58,160
 that our ability to do things on text-dot roads is challenging, remains a barrier.

774
00:51:58,160 --> 00:51:59,960
 I get that.

775
00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:06,220
 We do know that just as you know better than anyone in this room that people will just

776
00:52:06,220 --> 00:52:11,400
 walk across the grass to make a path, people will walk and people are going to do what

777
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:16,720
 they're going to do and I think we have to build in what they're going to do near and

778
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:17,720
 long term.

779
00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:21,080
 So I guess that's only sort of a micro-direction.

780
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:27,120
 It just feels like a gap, but I ask that maybe we give a little attention to that.

781
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:32,080
 And then real quick, two more sort of conceptual questions and this might be, this next one

782
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:39,520
 might be Becky or Preetan, and it seems like if we're now prioritizing safety as in our

783
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:46,400
 flat hierarchy we're giving number one a little boost on priority in terms of our mobility

784
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:53,200
 planning and safety and its potential that our roadway network speeds, you heard a lot

785
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:58,600
 of in the council at least, I don't know about P&Z, asking for those speeds to be where possible

786
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:03,280
 minimums rather than averages or maximums.

787
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:07,320
 If that's the case and you still want to have flow, this actually goes back to Councilor

788
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:13,760
 McGuire's question, don't we need, I understand the concept of having a hierarchical network,

789
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:19,700
 and that's completely valid, right, but doesn't it need to mean that it's a hierarchical network

790
00:53:19,700 --> 00:53:23,240
 of collectors, especially if we're lowering the speeds.

791
00:53:23,240 --> 00:53:27,520
 If you want to keep up the flow, then we need a couple more collectors so that our collectors

792
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:34,960
 are not as widely spaced apart so that the flow is maintained at the lower speeds.

793
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,680
 And so that really is just a, that's a hundred thousand foot view, I mean that's a question

794
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:44,460
 of do we have sufficient flexibility to add additional collector capacity into our hierarchical

795
00:53:44,460 --> 00:53:45,460
 network?

796
00:53:45,460 --> 00:53:49,240
 Absolutely, and those are the things that we do when developments come through is evaluate

797
00:53:49,240 --> 00:53:51,960
 if a collector's needed based on their traffic study.

798
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,600
 In many areas, all the collectors may not be shown.

799
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,080
 We'd love to add additional collectors all over the map, but we want to wait and see

800
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:03,600
 how those areas develop and then add those collectors as needed.

801
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:10,360
 Cool, and then similarly, not similarly, but related to the textile problem I mentioned

802
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:16,080
 a second ago, is there, is there something that the city needs to do to update our approach

803
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:21,360
 to getting these text dot, is there, not our thumb on the scale, but is there, is there

804
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:30,240
 ways that we should anticipate interacting with text dot to facilitate some of the needs

805
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:36,440
 that you, the citizens, you and your team identify, development team identifies, but

806
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,880
 we're unable to approach in the same way that we do our own roads.

807
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:44,160
 Is there something we need to be doing to facilitate that text dot interaction?

808
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:50,320
 So loop 288 was constructed in 2004, 2005, 2006 timeframe.

809
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:54,840
 At that time, text dot did not have as a part of their design criteria to have sidewalks

810
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:58,480
 as a part of their overall construction of their projects.

811
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:02,880
 That is, that whole philosophy has drastically changed.

812
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:09,880
 As you see, if you drive down 2499, 2181, all of those roadway networks will have sidewalks.

813
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:15,120
 Where Nathan is working and he can tell you this himself, we have conversations with text

814
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:21,360
 dot on a very regular basis, is working on the projects that have not began construction

815
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:29,520
 yet to add those additional pedestrian areas or add the side path type situations where

816
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:33,920
 they do allow for the bicycle traffic.

817
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,760
 Specifically on loop 288, it's been a very big concern of mine that the junction is way

818
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:44,600
 north and the Serve Denton is way south and there's not traffic lights in between.

819
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,800
 There's only a traffic light located at McKinney.

820
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:52,120
 That's the reason why when Nathan was working on the DCTA trip, I said let's look to fill

821
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:57,400
 in the gaps and get folks an opportunity to walk all the way down, cross this crosswalk

822
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:02,440
 at McKinney and walk back up to Serve Denton because I realize we need to provide that

823
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:03,440
 safe path.

824
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:08,200
 So there's things we're doing and looking at doing as a part of projects such as the

825
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:09,960
 DCTA trip.

826
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,960
 There's conversations we're constantly having with text dot.

827
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,240
 When they provide us a schematic, we're looking at that overall cross section.

828
00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:19,080
 We're seeing if there's modifications that can be made.

829
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,920
 And this is what I've been talking about from the very beginning.

830
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,560
 We always focus in on the thoroughfare map, right?

831
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,080
 We always want to see where the roads are going to go.

832
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:31,080
 We always focus in on those lines, what those classifications are.

833
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:36,400
 So we have, in my mind, been able to have the opportunity by having Nathan on board

834
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:42,200
 with his expertise to take that to the next level, to make it the true multimodal document

835
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:46,480
 that our team is really working for, allowing for those sidewalks and allowing for those

836
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,240
 bike paths.

837
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:52,720
 But I would say as far as the collaboration with text dot, they hear us loud and clear.

838
00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:56,680
 Nathan's had multiple conversations and I feel comfortable with the direction that we're

839
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,560
 headed.

840
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:03,720
 And I will tell you, there will be some projects that are already far enough down the road

841
00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:07,920
 where we're making modifications or requesting modifications.

842
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:12,120
 There are things that happen from a text dot perspective with environmental clearance,

843
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:13,120
 et cetera.

844
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:16,880
 But anywhere we can make those changes, I'll give you an example.

845
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:24,040
 The 35 widening at Oak Street, Nathan and several other folks worked along with Gary

846
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:29,520
 Packin with Parks, obviously, worked to try to make some modifications so that folks will

847
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:35,440
 be able to go along Oak under 35 from the hospital network along to the west side of

848
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:41,160
 town and making those modifications so that we had safe passages through there.

849
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,480
 It's a little bit change in philosophy, but definitely something that we're already having

850
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,840
 those conversations with text dot regularly when we have new roadways that are coming

851
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:48,840
 through.

852
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:49,840
 All right.

853
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:50,840
 Thank you.

854
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:51,840
 Yes, sir.

855
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,120
 Councilmember Davis.

856
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:59,180
 Thank you, Mayor.

857
00:57:59,180 --> 00:58:00,180
 Excuse me.

858
00:58:00,180 --> 00:58:03,320
 I just want to weigh in quickly to say my direction is I'm very pleased with the changes

859
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:04,320
 that you've made.

860
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:05,680
 I think they're very responsive.

861
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,680
 You know, we're, we're laypeople.

862
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:09,680
 Most of us.

863
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:13,840
 I can't think of any of us that have advanced degrees in engineering or career experience

864
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:19,440
 in planning roadway networks, much less designing cross-sections for each of the myriad situations

865
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:26,780
 that a roadway will encounter on the I like the phased approach a lot.

866
00:58:26,780 --> 00:58:27,780
 It's not perfect.

867
00:58:27,780 --> 00:58:28,780
 Nothing is perfect.

868
00:58:28,780 --> 00:58:32,460
 Like Tina said, if we could had all the money in the world, we could play Sim City and plan

869
00:58:32,460 --> 00:58:34,640
 things out perfectly.

870
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:38,880
 But planning ahead with that phased approach, I like that our standard cross-section for

871
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:43,780
 that size of facility includes side paths, substantial side paths.

872
00:58:43,780 --> 00:58:51,760
 I like that we're taking that holistic approach, even when we're doing 139 foot right away.

873
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:55,400
 We're planning ahead and taking that holistic approach.

874
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,960
 And then I like the downgrades that you've done in the Hartley Field Northeast Denton

875
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:04,960
 area because the thing that's been very helpful for me to understand through our conversations

876
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:11,280
 is that when I think primary arterial, I think Carroll Boulevard, I think driveways, I think

877
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:16,360
 businesses, I think a million cars coming in from all directions.

878
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:21,200
 But I've needed to change my thinking about some of the larger facilities we're talking

879
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:26,000
 about in this area and think of it more like 380 west of Jacksboro.

880
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:31,040
 In Denton, we may not want any kind of development along those big, bigger roads.

881
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:36,240
 In Denton, we may want big one-acre lots because that's what our flume says.

882
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:41,280
 But over in Salina and Krugerville and Aubrey, they're going to be building houses and muds.

883
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:45,000
 And over in Crum and Sanger, they're going to be building houses and muds.

884
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:50,060
 And if we don't move those folks across our nice, open, rural fringe, then they're going

885
00:59:50,060 --> 00:59:55,040
 to come down into the city or they're going to go north up into the new Super Warsham

886
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:59,440
 Road or the Super 428 that TxDOT is going to build.

887
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:05,020
 And those facilities aren't going to come from TxDOT nearly so soon as the facilities

888
01:00:05,020 --> 01:00:08,720
 that developers may build as we approve them in the city.

889
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:14,480
 So I really appreciate you helping me reorient my thinking to moving people, not just around

890
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:19,160
 in those areas and not just the developments we have control over, but across our borders,

891
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:24,440
 across the city, and keeping them off of 380 and keeping them off of 428 and just moving

892
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:25,440
 them through.

893
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:26,440
 Thank you.

894
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:27,440
 Yes, sir.

895
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:28,440
 Okay.

896
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:29,440
 Vicki, one quick question.

897
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:35,760
 Obviously, it's come up a lot, and I looked at the map and understand the border between

898
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:40,200
 the ETGA is right at Hartley Field Road, right?

899
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:43,720
 So who controls that road?

900
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:44,720
 The border is right on it.

901
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,780
 I just don't know how to read the map and for those following along.

902
01:00:47,780 --> 01:00:51,960
 And I will have to tell you, I'll have to go back and look at exactly what is in the

903
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:53,680
 city and what is in the county.

904
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:59,600
 From my recollection, the last time this came up, to Commissioner Anderson's comments that

905
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:03,520
 he made, I believe there's portions that are in the city and the county, but I would have

906
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:09,440
 to actually look specifically at that to tell you where the stops and start points are.

907
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:12,560
 But my recollection is that it falls in both jurisdictions, sir.

908
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:13,560
 Right.

909
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:14,560
 Okay.

910
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:15,560
 Thank you.

911
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:18,440
 Council Member Burke.

912
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:21,040
 Thank you, Mr. Mayor, for the opportunity to speak.

913
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:28,440
 Becky DeVine, you all are doing a terrific job, and I'm so pleased at the learning that

914
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,920
 I'm getting with all of this.

915
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:36,880
 One of the things I did want to highlight, and I wanted the folks out there to know,

916
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:44,680
 is that the thing that's staying with me right now is that we have to rely on the development

917
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:51,960
 to the partnerships with the developers to plan these roads, have extensive conversation

918
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:57,400
 with someone that didn't know, at one point I didn't know, that you have to have the development

919
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,280
 in to get the roads.

920
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:05,120
 We always seem to want to think that the roads are going to come first, you know, why didn't

921
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:06,120
 they plan the roads?

922
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:07,780
 Why didn't they plan the roads?

923
01:02:07,780 --> 01:02:09,800
 But the development has to be there.

924
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:14,320
 So you know, from the educational perspective, you know, that's something that we have to

925
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:20,160
 understand as citizens, is that the money is not there, the funding is not there until

926
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:24,960
 the development comes in, and then we work and plan around that development.

927
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:26,520
 Did I say that right?

928
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:28,480
 Okay, good.

929
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:36,600
 The other thing is, this is probably my personal issue that I have with roads coming up.

930
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:45,920
 I don't always agree and understand how we choose to put the plants and the trees and

931
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:54,800
 all of that in these medians, and taking care of those plants and trees to grow, and I know

932
01:02:54,800 --> 01:03:00,680
 it's a beautification thing, but the primary thing for me sometimes is the lighting.

933
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:06,280
 I don't understand how there's a lot of lights here and then there's no lights here and then

934
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:09,040
 there's some lights there and these different kind of lights.

935
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:16,560
 How does that all work for, you know, lay people like me that will drive down 380, we'll

936
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:22,120
 use 380 as an example, get up here to Texas Women's University and go all the way out

937
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:27,400
 to 288, and there's not a light anywhere to be seen, and it's always, we have to depend

938
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:33,120
 on those developments to get, you know, some lighting on the roads, and then we go out

939
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:37,160
 and then there's an overabundance of lights.

940
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:40,040
 How does, who's working on that?

941
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:41,640
 Who has a say in that?

942
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:47,520
 How can I complain to everybody in town if there's not enough lights here?

943
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:52,320
 You are making me have more gray hairs, I always, we speak, no, I'm kidding.

944
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:57,160
 The light is a component that comes within the design parameter, so, you know, really

945
01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:02,160
 this planning focus is really more of a planning level document, but when these become from

946
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:09,080
 planning level documents into physical designs, it's part of the process that we look at and

947
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:12,880
 review to see if lighting is something that is needing to be evaluated.

948
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:17,440
 Now many of the roadways, in the roadway example that you gave, 380, we do have a bond project

949
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:20,280
 to do lighting along 380 that we're working through.

950
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:25,600
 It's just a future project that's a few years out in the queue, but I would tell you that

951
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:30,560
 that's something that we have to coordinate with TxDOT, and just really a high level,

952
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:36,080
 the way that that works is through a photometric study to actually look and see what types

953
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:40,080
 of lights need to be installed where we have streetlight criteria, just like you hear me

954
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:45,560
 talk about the transportation criteria, and DME is responsible for that streetlight criteria,

955
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:51,000
 but we work very closely with them on streetlights as our team is the one who really works through

956
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:55,640
 that process to add streetlights as necessary when we're developing a road.

957
01:04:55,640 --> 01:05:00,520
 I'll say my word, our goal is to use our holistic approach to make sure we're looking at where

958
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:07,960
 that water, sewer, drainage, roadway, sidewalk, bicycle, streetlight, etc., when we design

959
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:08,960
 a roadway.

960
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:12,480
 That's a new focus, that's a new thought process, that's something that we're working through

961
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:13,640
 the process.

962
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:18,200
 Many of the projects you see going on today, we're working to incorporate them if we can,

963
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:22,200
 but many of those are projects that have already, the decisions have been made, so my goal is

964
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:26,460
 for us to start seeing that shift as we work through new projects as we move forward.

965
01:05:26,460 --> 01:05:30,840
 Great example is the 2019 bond program on the residential streets.

966
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:33,000
 Thank you.

967
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:37,280
 Commissioner Anderson has been waiting, so I'll let you.

968
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,760
 I appreciate that, Mayor, thank you.

969
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:44,280
 Commissioner Anderson, I will give the floor to you.

970
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:49,040
 Thank you, Chair.

971
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:53,260
 I do have a quick question, if I understood this correctly, are we really considering

972
01:05:53,260 --> 01:06:00,080
 putting bike lanes on loop 288?

973
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:04,760
 I can have Nathan answer that, but what we are looking at is ways to incorporate and

974
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:10,160
 add bike lanes as necessary or as the need exists.

975
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:13,500
 That's a textile roadway, so that would be something that we would have to coordinate

976
01:06:13,500 --> 01:06:15,200
 with them as a decision.

977
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:19,320
 I think to Nathan's point is it's something that we're currently evaluating and working

978
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:25,760
 through the process of having sidewalks along 288 for connective tissue from the junction

979
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:32,040
 all the way down and across, but bike lanes are something that would be addressed, not

980
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:34,960
 specifically on the roadway itself.

981
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:40,160
 If that's the concern, it would be where could those be constructed and how could those sidewalks

982
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:45,480
 change to side path to situations where bicycles would be able to be used those, but I'll let

983
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:49,600
 Nathan see if I missed anything and if he wants to add anything.

984
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:51,560
 Thanks for the question.

985
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:58,800
 Just to clarify our approach, or I guess I'll call it our philosophy, last year TxDOT adopted

986
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:02,960
 a new bicycle accommodation policy that on major thoroughfares, on their major roads,

987
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:07,120
 which is pretty much everything they have, that they would provide side paths to accommodate

988
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:09,360
 bicycles to pedestrian activity.

989
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:14,820
 We're going to follow suit in general for all of our designs, so on a major road like

990
01:07:14,820 --> 01:07:20,880
 at Loop 288 or any major road that we would call our thoroughfares collector or arterial,

991
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:24,840
 we will not have on street bike facilities unless they're separated or protected in some

992
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:29,000
 way, which is just an acknowledgement that anybody who's out riding on those streets

993
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:33,280
 in general, if we want to appeal to a broader audience, they need to have that feeling of

994
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:38,000
 safety and comfort and that'll be more like Hickory Street if I can point to an example

995
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:42,600
 here in the city where we have those bollards separating traffic or as traffic gets higher

996
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:47,960
 speed or higher volume, maybe something more robust to separate folks from traffic or we're

997
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:53,200
 putting them into a high quality roadside facility like we're building on McKinney or

998
01:07:53,200 --> 01:08:00,600
 you might see on other streets around town.

999
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:01,600
 Commissioner Anderson, you're muted.

1000
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:03,720
 Can you hear me now?

1001
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:04,720
 Yes.

1002
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:05,720
 Yes.

1003
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:06,720
 Okay.

1004
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:12,580
 Thank you again for that answer, but my concern is if you put it on Loop 288, I mean we already

1005
01:08:12,580 --> 01:08:18,280
 have people trying to cross Loop 288, McKinney Street that had a pass, unfortunately had

1006
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:23,720
 fatality accidents there and I thought that if we put bike paths on Loop 288, that's just

1007
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:28,160
 asking for more trouble, but it's good to hear that you're putting it off the road,

1008
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:30,200
 not on the road.

1009
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:31,200
 Correct.

1010
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:32,200
 Yeah.

1011
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:36,200
 And I will also point out there were some mapping issues based on some changes that

1012
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:39,480
 were made that we still have some corrections to make to the maps that you'll see in the

1013
01:08:39,480 --> 01:08:44,800
 final document that we'll be working on with the consultant, but if there's any lack of

1014
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:49,080
 clarity in what you see on the maps, if it says bike lane, that will be corrected before

1015
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:52,280
 the final version is adopted or put forward for adoption.

1016
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:53,280
 Thanks.

1017
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:54,280
 Okay.

1018
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:57,280
 Again, thank you guys for your hard work.

1019
01:08:57,280 --> 01:08:58,280
 Thanks.

1020
01:08:58,280 --> 01:08:59,280
 Thank you, Nathan.

1021
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:06,040
 Is there any other commissioners with questions?

1022
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:07,840
 If I could just say just a minute.

1023
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:08,840
 Sure.

1024
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:15,080
 Just to concur with Council Member Davis and I think some others on the downgrading of

1025
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:22,040
 those roads, I think that's spot on in that area and what you always hear me talk about

1026
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:27,600
 and I will talk about when we talk about the comp plan is small area plans and I've been

1027
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:34,320
 wanting one for that area for so long and I think if we can focus on that, it will spell

1028
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:38,880
 out further what that mobility in that area is going to be.

1029
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:39,880
 So thank you.

1030
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:40,880
 Yes, ma'am.

1031
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:41,880
 Thank you.

1032
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:42,880
 Okay.

1033
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:43,880
 Any other Council Members?

1034
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:44,880
 Mayor Proctor Meltzer?

1035
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:52,040
 Yeah, I may be the lone voice, but you know, I might as well say it.

1036
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:58,520
 Regarding the Northeast, this is by way of direction, if we're not building for growth

1037
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:04,800
 that we project in areas that we control, but I'm not that compelled by the idea that

1038
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:10,880
 we should facilitate and pave the way for muds that we don't control, so I appreciate

1039
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:21,240
 the downgrading, but I would say if we're not building for our needs, I'd do less and

1040
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:29,360
 send those rations to Southeast where we're already behind the definitions that we think

1041
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:37,160
 are already needed for the community that's already there, so that may just be me, but

1042
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:38,160
 that's me.

1043
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:39,160
 Councilmember Aguilar?

1044
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:40,160
 Thank you.

1045
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:47,920
 I was just a little bit concerned about the conversation around the junction and folks

1046
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:51,440
 who might need to get from the junction to Serve Denton on foot.

1047
01:10:51,440 --> 01:10:56,440
 It's almost a mile from the junction to get all the way down to McKinney and then cross

1048
01:10:56,440 --> 01:11:01,560
 and then almost half a mile back up north to Serve Denton.

1049
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:09,360
 That's a big burden, a place on pedestrians, and I'm seeing that, what is that, prominence

1050
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:14,480
 parkway there is just north of the junction, and that's going to be extended, it looks

1051
01:11:14,480 --> 01:11:15,480
 like.

1052
01:11:15,480 --> 01:11:22,160
 Are there any plans to signalize that intersection at prominence, or is that like fully a text

1053
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:25,720
 dot decision, which intersections get signalized along 288?

1054
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:27,780
 No, the signal has to meet warrant.

1055
01:11:27,780 --> 01:11:32,160
 We do know there will be a time that that signal actually will be one that will be installed

1056
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:37,400
 to your point, then they would go north and across and down.

1057
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:44,300
 It's a fairly similar trek, but definitely a different way to cross.

1058
01:11:44,300 --> 01:11:48,920
 It's a lot shorter if you could go north, I mean it's like a mile shorter if you can

1059
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:49,920
 go north.

1060
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:50,920
 No, I appreciate that.

1061
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:56,720
 I'm currently with the way that we've evaluated it because there is not a signalized intersection

1062
01:11:56,720 --> 01:12:01,560
 there, and there is not current funding to work through that process to have that signalized

1063
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:02,560
 intersection.

1064
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:06,720
 Also, that roadway is something that's being developed as a part of that development in

1065
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:08,160
 that area.

1066
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:13,000
 When that signal is installed, and it already does meet warrants in that area, then that

1067
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:18,240
 would be the improvements that would look to be made is from the junction to the north

1068
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:22,040
 to connect to that Audre, although the roadway now makes a little bit different connection

1069
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:28,080
 in that area, or proposed connection, and then go across to prominence and down.

1070
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:32,060
 In that area, there's already some sidewalk that's constructed, so it would be filling

1071
01:12:32,060 --> 01:12:37,160
 in some of those gaps, another sidewalk in front of FEMA, maybe some sidewalk in front

1072
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:41,720
 of the former DPS building, but then we would look to be filling in gaps in some of those

1073
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:46,600
 areas to make sure that they had a clear path to get from point A to point B, but I'm going

1074
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:52,720
 off memory, so that usually doesn't serve me well, but did work on the construction

1075
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:58,560
 of loop 288 back in 2004, so I do have some knowledge of that area.

1076
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:02,540
 That definitely would be something that's evaluated at that time, and I will tell you

1077
01:13:02,540 --> 01:13:09,480
 that we've already had those conversations to talk about getting folks from the junction

1078
01:13:09,480 --> 01:13:13,040
 to serve Denton in the most expeditious manner.

1079
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:17,440
 Currently, the way that we're proposing is, like I mentioned before, but definitely when

1080
01:13:17,440 --> 01:13:23,280
 that signal comes there, I know another topic that's been brought up is the pedestrian hybrid

1081
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:28,840
 beacons to allow folks to move across the roadway, and TxDOT will not allow those roadways

1082
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:34,160
 on their roadway network, so we will have to have a signalized intersection to allow

1083
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:38,560
 for that safe passage from the western side of the roadway to the eastern side of the

1084
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:39,560
 roadway.

1085
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:40,560
 Okay, good.

1086
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:41,560
 I'm glad to hear that there is going to be a signal.

1087
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:44,480
 I'm real disappointed to hear that TxDOT is not allowing hawk beacons.

1088
01:13:44,480 --> 01:13:45,480
 I didn't realize that.

1089
01:13:45,480 --> 01:13:52,360
 Do you have a sense of what the timeline is for, yeah, that Audra prominence intersection

1090
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:56,120
 becoming signalized with the development that's happening there?

1091
01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:57,120
 I do not.

1092
01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:59,120
 I will have to get back to you on that.

1093
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:03,800
 That will be something I'll have to coordinate with Tina and their team based on what's happening

1094
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:08,520
 in that area, and we can evaluate that, but I don't have that timing in my mind.

1095
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:09,520
 That's fine.

1096
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:10,520
 That's fine.

1097
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:11,520
 Thank you.

1098
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:20,920
 But just to pick up there, I think it is noteworthy, though, to point out currently people leave

1099
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:27,880
 Monsignor King and have to walk all the way to the square to go to our Daily Bread, and

1100
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:34,720
 so we're condensing that quite a bit, and also I think I'll take staff, and this is

1101
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:38,840
 not your department, but other departments' direction, on ways to bridge that, because

1102
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:43,360
 I'm not optimistic that anything's going to happen from TxDOT anytime soon, but I think

1103
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:52,560
 the great thing is we do contribute a huge amount to DCTA, and there's buses that can

1104
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:57,360
 just make loops there, and then we obviously served it and it works well with us and the

1105
01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:04,400
 community, and we could then bus over, provide offices, food pantry coordination, and we

1106
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:12,240
 can handle all that in-house with other departments without having to be subject to TxDOT's timing,

1107
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:15,100
 their ability to meet our needs, that sort of thing.

1108
01:15:15,100 --> 01:15:20,560
 So one, it's a much shorter walk, and two, safety is a priority, and I think it's key

1109
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:26,840
 that we can use the buses to manage that, we can use pooling of resources, offices,

1110
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:32,480
 that sort of thing, to bring served it into the junction if we have to in the interim.

1111
01:15:32,480 --> 01:15:37,800
 So I think that's something that is immediately, when we open, we'll have a solve for that,

1112
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:44,200
 and we'll have a great plan in place, and I think that's critical.

1113
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:45,720
 I think that's all I have.

1114
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:48,920
 Council Member Bett.

1115
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:56,920
 I really applaud the Mayor's reminder about how important the bus is, and I think, I know

1116
01:15:56,920 --> 01:16:02,560
 all the staff is trying to incorporate mass transit, so I really appreciate the Mayor

1117
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:07,920
 reminding us about the needs and the way the city can use the DCTA and the mass transit.

1118
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:13,840
 In terms of a couple of micro-directions that I'd like to emphasize, I concur with Mayor

1119
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:20,520
 Pro Tem that I don't know that we need to be pre-building out road networks for MUDs

1120
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:26,840
 and other areas, just being mindful of our mobility plan, so I would like to prioritize

1121
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:35,840
 our land and mobility use in advance of the mobility planning for future MUDs and let

1122
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:41,840
 them carry more of that burden if they're not going to participate immediately.

1123
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:50,920
 If you don't want to buy in NX and build in Denton, then that's one of the cons of putting

1124
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:54,600
 your MUD out in the county.

1125
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:59,040
 So don't expect us to necessarily prioritize you if that's what you're going to do.

1126
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:00,800
 So I agree with that.

1127
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:06,480
 And then the last sort of micro-direction, I'd like to just remind us as we're laying

1128
01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:10,960
 out the precise alignments of a lot of our mobility planning, and I know you guys do

1129
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:20,840
 this, but to really be mindful of bridges that run over riparian areas and creeks, especially

1130
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:27,400
 in northeast Denton, and just to a large degree, Hunter Cole and there along Hickory Creek

1131
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:32,840
 and down through South Denton, as we hit those corridors, we're seeing the impacts of not

1132
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:38,200
 properly building bridges because we're having that emergency bridge rebuild down there in

1133
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:44,080
 that southwest section right now where there's accidents and accidents and accidents.

1134
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:56,320
 But let's just make sure and really, really be mindful of those sustainable sections that

1135
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:58,080
 are environmentally friendly as well.

1136
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:00,840
 So I'm just encouraging us on that one.

1137
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:01,840
 Yes, sir.

1138
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:02,840
 Thank you.

1139
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:03,840
 Okay.

1140
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:04,840
 Any other questions?

1141
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:07,680
 Mayor, if I could just jump in real quick, and just to address Mayor Portia-Milter and

1142
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:11,760
 Councilmember Beck's points about kind of building those roads for the MUDs in the northeast

1143
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:15,800
 because it's a really interesting discussion and something we had internally as we talked

1144
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:18,240
 about downgrading those roads.

1145
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:23,200
 I think an important thing to consider as well is by having them even at that downgraded

1146
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:27,600
 stage on the mobility plan, we can then have them in the impact fee studies means we can

1147
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:32,600
 have those future developments pay for those roads as opposed to waiting.

1148
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:37,160
 If we wait and then the need's there, we lose that funding capability, and you might be

1149
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:39,560
 possibly asking the entire community to pay for those.

1150
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:44,760
 So that's a reason to keep them on the mobility plan even at that downgraded stage.

1151
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:51,160
 Just obviously it's a trade-off, right, and I get the hesitation there, but that's some

1152
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:53,960
 of the thought process that went into that.

1153
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:54,960
 Okay.

1154
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:55,960
 Thank you, David.

1155
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:56,960
 Thank you.

1156
01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:57,960
 Anyone else on council?

1157
01:18:57,960 --> 01:18:58,960
 Any other questions?

1158
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:04,880
 Seeing none.

1159
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:11,080
 Any further questions on the commission?

1160
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:15,520
 If not, then do you have any additional presentations?

1161
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:20,160
 Obviously you have notes on the requested thoughts, changes, that sort of thing.

1162
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:21,560
 Anything else from staff's perspective?

1163
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:22,560
 No, sir.

1164
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:23,560
 Not for my item.

1165
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:25,440
 I'll turn it over to Ms. Fergens.

1166
01:19:25,440 --> 01:19:26,440
 Okay.

1167
01:19:26,440 --> 01:19:27,440
 Great.

1168
01:19:27,440 --> 01:19:35,400
 I think we'll take a, it's 11.19, so let's take a 15-minute break.

1169
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:38,440
 We'll be back at 11.35.

1170
01:19:38,440 --> 01:19:43,440
 I was going to say lunch will be here at 11.30.

1171
01:19:43,440 --> 01:19:44,440
 Perfect.

1172
01:19:44,440 --> 01:19:47,960
 So then let's stretch that a bit.

1173
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:56,440
 So let's come back at 11.50, and so in between time, if you have questions or other follow-ups,

1174
01:19:56,440 --> 01:20:00,640
 you can grab staff, talk to them, and then, but we'll be back at 11.50 at bring back lunch

1175
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:03,200
 or finish lunch, whatever's your preference.

1176
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:04,200
 Thank you.

1177
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:05,200
 Thank you, sir.

1178
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:19,000
 We will adjourn now at 11.20.

1179
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:20,000
 And good morning.

1180
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:22,840
 It'll be afternoon in one minute.

1181
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:32,360
 We are back, and we are to the second portion of our meeting, but want to just give a heads

1182
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:33,360
 up at the end.

1183
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:39,280
 I'm going to ask and make sure from a council perspective that we're all clear on the questions

1184
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:47,920
 we've provided and ask that we can find consensus to give staff approval to skip another presentation

1185
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:54,400
 tomorrow so that they can prepare for next week's hearing with the consultant and get

1186
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:55,680
 them kind of closed out.

1187
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:59,960
 So at the end of this meeting, just to give you a heads up to be thinking about that,

1188
01:20:59,960 --> 01:21:06,520
 what else can we speak to to clear that out so that they can have a workday tomorrow versus

1189
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:11,160
 presenting the same information again in preparation for next week's meeting?

1190
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:18,680
 So that being said, I'll turn it over to oh, and then so it's what's 12.

1191
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:19,680
 We're back.

1192
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:20,920
 And so I'll let you call.

1193
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:21,920
 Thank you, Mayor.

1194
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:25,400
 I will call reconvene the commission meeting at 12 noon.

1195
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:26,400
 Great.

1196
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:27,400
 All right.

1197
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:28,400
 Thank you, Mayor.

1198
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:29,400
 Thank you, Chairman Ellis.

1199
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:34,960
 So I'm happy to be here again to talk about the Conference of Plan, and we're hopefully

1200
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:39,240
 narrowing down our conversations as we move towards finalizing the document.

1201
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:42,520
 So with me, I have Ed Boyk with Matrix Design Group.

1202
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:44,800
 So he and I are going to be doing a tag team presentation.

1203
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:48,960
 In fact, majority of it will probably be Ed, but and then also I have Ron Mangito on my

1204
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:53,440
 team as well to assist with any questions that we have following up.

1205
01:21:53,440 --> 01:21:59,720
 What I would like to do is before we get into the more in-depth in our presentation, I thought

1206
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:02,360
 I'd start with the calendar slide first.

1207
01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:04,080
 We typically wrap up with that.

1208
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:08,080
 But as you all know, we've had quite a bit of discussion and just wanted to put this

1209
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:11,000
 on the forefront for your consideration.

1210
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:14,280
 As we're moving into what I would like to think hopefully is the home stretch with respect

1211
01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:17,440
 to this particular project as well as the mobility plan.

1212
01:22:17,440 --> 01:22:21,760
 So obviously right now we're on February 14th and we had some great discussion earlier and

1213
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:25,440
 our purpose this afternoon of our presentation is going to recap what we've heard from the

1214
01:22:25,440 --> 01:22:27,760
 City Council and the Planning and Zoning Commission.

1215
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:32,000
 I believe we have consensus on pretty much everything that we presented in a path forward.

1216
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:35,320
 And so Ed's going to go through all of that recap of what we've heard from both of these

1217
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:37,300
 groups combined.

1218
01:22:37,300 --> 01:22:42,520
 And then with that, we do have teed up tomorrow afternoon with Council in the event we needed

1219
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:44,620
 to have one last discussion.

1220
01:22:44,620 --> 01:22:49,640
 Hopefully with the information that we share with you today, that that will not be necessary.

1221
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:53,200
 But if we missed something during our recap, then please let us know after Ed's had an

1222
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:55,200
 opportunity to present the slides.

1223
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:59,600
 But really we're liking to focus on our next steps then after this week is for our public

1224
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:00,960
 hearing phase.

1225
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:03,080
 So moving into adoption.

1226
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:07,360
 So next Wednesday, February 23rd is when we anticipate having the public hearing with the

1227
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:08,800
 Planning and Zoning Commission.

1228
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:12,160
 If the Planning and Zoning Commission is able to offer a recommendation on the comprehensive

1229
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:18,720
 plan, then we would move forward to the City Council meeting on March 1st for your final

1230
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:21,280
 action and adoption associated with the plan.

1231
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:25,960
 Not only the comprehensive plan, but hopefully the mobility plan along with that.

1232
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:30,040
 We added a couple of additional days to the calendar that might look of interest to you.

1233
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:34,280
 So you've heard us say many times of the whole area plans discussion, how we've had area

1234
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:38,520
 plans teed up for right after we get the comprehensive plan adopted.

1235
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:42,080
 So right now we have that slated for March 9th with the Planning and Zoning Commission.

1236
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:46,640
 This is where we'll enter into that conversation about prioritizing areas that we believe should

1237
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:49,240
 benefit from area plans.

1238
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:52,480
 And then once the Planning and Zoning Commission's had an opportunity to have that conversation,

1239
01:23:52,480 --> 01:23:56,760
 then we'll bring forth their recommendations to the City Council for your consideration

1240
01:23:56,760 --> 01:24:03,320
 on April 5th, not 15th, the 5th, so we can get your direction.

1241
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:07,280
 Because that will also be important as we move into budget preparation, because some

1242
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:11,760
 of this will need some financial assistance to go along with completing the area plans.

1243
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:16,040
 But with that, unless there's any questions regarding the calendar, I'd like to turn it

1244
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:20,080
 over then to Ed Boyk, and he'll start with this presentation.

1245
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:25,200
 And I would like to tee up just his comments that he's going to make as a result of some

1246
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:29,120
 additional comments or questions that we received from Mayor Pro Tem Meltzer over the weekend.

1247
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:33,960
 So Ed, if you're there, I'll turn it over to you.

1248
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:34,960
 Thank you, Tina.

1249
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:39,560
 Ed Boyk with Matrix Design Group, Mayor, Chair of the Planning and Zoning Commission.

1250
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:44,160
 I'm happy to be here and present these last hopefully items for the work session for this

1251
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:46,120
 comprehensive plan update.

1252
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:50,320
 And as Tina had noted, we did receive some comments just over the weekend regarding the

1253
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:54,400
 same sustainability and how that relates to the comprehensive plan.

1254
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:57,560
 And we wanted to reiterate that it's a major theme of the comprehensive plan.

1255
01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:02,080
 It's one of the four main elements that's retained in the comprehensive plan update,

1256
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:06,120
 referenced probably eight times or more in the conservation and environmental element

1257
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:07,120
 alone.

1258
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:12,520
 But not only that, the sustainability aspects are touched on throughout the plan, whether

1259
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:18,300
 environmental, energy, transportation, land use, parks, recreation, open space, and quality

1260
01:25:18,300 --> 01:25:19,300
 of life.

1261
01:25:19,300 --> 01:25:27,720
 So it is a major theme, the sustainability framework, the 2020 update is specifically

1262
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:29,720
 referred to and identified as well.

1263
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:36,520
 So again, just to reiterate, it is an important aspect of this plan and is a guiding influence

1264
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:40,440
 as this plan has been prepared and updated.

1265
01:25:40,440 --> 01:25:46,640
 So moving on to the recap of what we heard on the slide, we just want to make sure that

1266
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:51,080
 we illustrate that we're hearing what the council and the commission have told us and

1267
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:52,080
 we're responding to it.

1268
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:54,360
 So I'm just going to run through these briefly.

1269
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:56,600
 We confirmed that the vision statement was good.

1270
01:25:56,600 --> 01:26:01,200
 There was no additional comments that reflects the vision of the community and the council

1271
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:02,840
 and the commission.

1272
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:07,280
 We heard that option two was preferred for the future land use map.

1273
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:11,160
 And I have a slide coming up that'll show that, that shows a little bit more clarity

1274
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:17,560
 about the authority within the ETJ and those MUDs that are either through an approved process

1275
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:22,600
 or pending, moving through a process, the preferred pattern of land preservation.

1276
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:23,600
 That plan was confirmed.

1277
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:26,980
 We're going to place that in the plan and I'll talk about that in a future slide.

1278
01:26:26,980 --> 01:26:29,600
 A little bit detail about the future land use map.

1279
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:33,560
 There's really no additional changes that was confirmed by the commission.

1280
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:38,100
 But importantly, we'll show that relationship between the future land use plan and some

1281
01:26:38,100 --> 01:26:42,200
 other plans that are within the document such as the preferred pattern of growth in the

1282
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:43,520
 focus area plans.

1283
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:45,880
 Implementation, we got some good comments on that.

1284
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:52,080
 We'll talk about that in the slide as well as Tina alluded to, leading towards area plans

1285
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:57,440
 and then the actions in the implementation table such as infill and redevelopment activities,

1286
01:26:57,440 --> 01:26:58,880
 how we can move forward with that.

1287
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:05,880
 So I'm going to move on to the next slide and recap the comments we heard regarding

1288
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:07,880
 the implementation.

1289
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:12,440
 Planned planning and zoning commission are both very interested in making sure that this

1290
01:27:12,440 --> 01:27:14,640
 plan was not just one that sat on a shelf.

1291
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:21,580
 Something that could be acted upon and move forward so that these actions move forward

1292
01:27:21,580 --> 01:27:26,480
 as they should on an ongoing, short-term, mid-term or long-term basis.

1293
01:27:26,480 --> 01:27:28,920
 The plan already has accommodations built into it.

1294
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:32,880
 There's a series of principles that are found in Chapter 10 to identify how the plan relates

1295
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:37,960
 to other plans and policies, how it's to be used, how you should find conformance between

1296
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:40,360
 the land use plan and the zoning map and so on.

1297
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:43,840
 But principle five is the one that's very important because it talks about the city

1298
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:49,240
 preparing and monitoring and evaluation report and using metrics as appropriate to measure

1299
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:50,780
 that progress of the plan.

1300
01:27:50,780 --> 01:27:55,320
 This will give the city staff an opportunity to work with the planning and zoning commission

1301
01:27:55,320 --> 01:28:02,060
 to work together to actively implement, monitor, assess and then report forward to the city

1302
01:28:02,060 --> 01:28:05,020
 council the performance of this comprehensive plan.

1303
01:28:05,020 --> 01:28:10,920
 So we're happy to make sure that it's widely known and then transparent that there are

1304
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:15,620
 mechanisms built in place to take care of the measurement and the continued success

1305
01:28:15,620 --> 01:28:18,040
 of this plan.

1306
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:21,540
 As I mentioned earlier, there was two different options for the future land use map presented

1307
01:28:21,540 --> 01:28:24,600
 to the city council and to the commission.

1308
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:28,040
 Option one on the left was the original staff recommendation, but hearing the comments from

1309
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:35,000
 both bodies, it made it very clear that option two was the preferred way to illustrate those

1310
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:39,880
 municipal utility districts within the ETJs in Denton.

1311
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:45,600
 Specifically, low density residential land use is illustrated for those LUDs that have

1312
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:49,960
 been through an approval process or through a state legislative process and are moving

1313
01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:52,600
 forward for development.

1314
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:56,480
 The ones which are outlined in pink are the ones that are conceptual.

1315
01:28:56,480 --> 01:28:57,880
 Denton's aware of them.

1316
01:28:57,880 --> 01:29:01,960
 They exist to some capacity, but they haven't moved through a formal approval review or

1317
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:04,240
 state legislative process at this point.

1318
01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:08,840
 However, in the effort of transparency, they're illustrated on the future map so that the

1319
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:14,040
 community and others that may use this may understand that while the long-term vision

1320
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:20,440
 for Denton is to have these preferred preservation land uses, the rural and agricultural land

1321
01:29:20,440 --> 01:29:25,560
 uses throughout the ETJ, there are opportunities and possible situations where that could change

1322
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:33,400
 depending if those LUDs, which Denton has limited authority for regulating, move forward.

1323
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:37,960
 In conjunction with the future land use plan is the preferred land preservation plan.

1324
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:42,500
 No changes are provided between what you've seen last time at the work session and this

1325
01:29:42,500 --> 01:29:47,840
 one, but we are going to include, based on your recommendation, the preferred land preservation

1326
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:49,800
 plan within the comprehensive plan.

1327
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:54,320
 It'll be right behind the future land use plan so that there's a clear understanding

1328
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:59,340
 of the relationship between the future land use plan and this preferred land preservation

1329
01:29:59,340 --> 01:30:03,280
 plan and how they work with each other.

1330
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:07,100
 Some additional actions will be included in the plan.

1331
01:30:07,100 --> 01:30:15,460
 These will be actions to add some clarification for policies, codes, implementation, consistency

1332
01:30:15,460 --> 01:30:19,760
 between plans, and will be implemented as appropriate to make sure that these different

1333
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:24,920
 topics such as wildlife corridors, green space, connectivity, parks and trails, etc., tree

1334
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:31,520
 canopy greater than 30 percent, all of these different things are important to the community,

1335
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:36,160
 are clearly identified in the action table and the implementation, and will be moved

1336
01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:43,000
 forward and acted upon in the appropriate timeframes as per the comprehensive plan.

1337
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:48,000
 So the final additional items, again, further evaluation is going to be conducted at this

1338
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:53,240
 meeting to discuss the mobility plan and its relationship to the future land use plan.

1339
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:57,520
 As I noted before, that preferred land preservation plan will be inserted into the comprehensive

1340
01:30:57,520 --> 01:30:59,880
 plan based on the comments that we have received.

1341
01:30:59,880 --> 01:31:04,000
 There'll be actions will be enhanced as appropriate to make sure that it's very clear about how

1342
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:07,280
 that preferred land preservation plan is to be used.

1343
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:11,080
 And then as I noted before, the implementation metrics is another piece that we wanted to

1344
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:16,240
 make sure was very clear that they will be prepared by staff, the metrics, they will

1345
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:20,840
 be updated and reviewed by the Planning and Zoning Commission and provided to the council

1346
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:22,120
 annually.

1347
01:31:22,120 --> 01:31:27,280
 And that is something that's already in the plan and helps to make sure this plan is not

1348
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:30,080
 just that plan that sits on a shelf.

1349
01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:34,920
 The last several slides that I have, I'll flip between them just because the future

1350
01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:39,920
 land use plan and the plans that follow have a relationship to each other.

1351
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:45,120
 First, the future land use plan as a general high level sets the overall tone for the land

1352
01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:47,220
 use policy for the community.

1353
01:31:47,220 --> 01:31:51,600
 It's coordinated with existing plans, including the parks plan, the mobility plan, as we discussed

1354
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:59,440
 earlier today, as well as it reflects in the more refined detail on planning that has taken

1355
01:31:59,440 --> 01:32:06,520
 place for, say, the master plan communities, as well as showing those muds either approved

1356
01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:11,480
 or not approved, but potentially moving forward through the process.

1357
01:32:11,480 --> 01:32:15,680
 But because this is a high level general plan, it works in concert with plans such as the

1358
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:19,880
 preferred growth scenario plan, which is a little different than the future land use

1359
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:26,520
 plan because this is a plan that helps to identify where those potentially more intense

1360
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:33,200
 functions could occur, like more employment uses or more community building or mixed use

1361
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:35,280
 or intense development.

1362
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:39,840
 The circles that were illustrated on there are not boundaries, they're kind of generalized

1363
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:45,160
 areas that illustrate that these are these focus areas of downtown Denton that would

1364
01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:50,620
 have more intensity at the core and then potentially moderate out to a lower density on the outside

1365
01:32:50,620 --> 01:32:57,000
 so that those low density residential neighborhoods surrounding downtown are not necessarily overtaken

1366
01:32:57,000 --> 01:33:00,880
 and then become something that is not the vision of the community, but it just establishes

1367
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:02,720
 that this is a focus point.

1368
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:09,160
 A couple have been added to this map, in particular, a couple of brown circles around the master

1369
01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:15,280
 plan communities to identify that these preferred growth scenario areas are areas where the

1370
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:22,120
 city expects to see growth occur on the periphery, new areas, the green field areas, as well

1371
01:33:22,120 --> 01:33:26,200
 as the rest of this map is identifying those areas within the community where there could

1372
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:28,480
 be more redevelopment or infill development.

1373
01:33:28,480 --> 01:33:35,280
 So it illustrates that balance of growth between those new master planned areas and those existing

1374
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:41,160
 areas that can be enhanced and refined and provide a diversity of housing types and diversity

1375
01:33:41,160 --> 01:33:43,440
 of living arrangements for the community.

1376
01:33:43,440 --> 01:33:50,880
 The purple, as noted before, is expanded through the area near the west side of I-35 and 288

1377
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:54,760
 as well as on the northeast corner of that intersection as well.

1378
01:33:54,760 --> 01:34:00,040
 This is that area that was identified on the future land use map as a light industrial.

1379
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:04,400
 It's really one of the employment focus areas in the community and it supports and complements

1380
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:09,960
 the employment areas that are around or will be growing around the Denton Airport into

1381
01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:12,920
 the future, as you can see on this map.

1382
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:18,720
 So moving on to a little bit more focused, appropriately named the Focused Areas Concept

1383
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:19,720
 Plan.

1384
01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:24,880
 This is a focused look at those areas in the community that are either existing today as

1385
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:31,120
 those special or unique areas in Denton that should be focused on for additional planning

1386
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:32,120
 and refinement.

1387
01:34:32,120 --> 01:34:36,980
 This has been something that was developed through the 2030 plan process and reaffirmed

1388
01:34:36,980 --> 01:34:39,280
 through the 2040 process.

1389
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:42,840
 Since the last time you saw this, we also, well actually during the last time you saw

1390
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:49,120
 it, there was identification of area planning areas that potentially could be pursued in

1391
01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:54,820
 the northeast part of Denton, southeast of downtown as well as that employment focus

1392
01:34:54,820 --> 01:34:57,560
 area at I-35 and 288.

1393
01:34:57,560 --> 01:35:04,160
 So among that, all these different circular dashed areas illustrate those focus areas

1394
01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:07,640
 or areas where the area planning could be focused.

1395
01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:11,520
 Not saying that these are the only ones, but those are the ones that were identified through

1396
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:14,240
 the various community outreach process.

1397
01:35:14,240 --> 01:35:16,840
 The highlighted roadways are those corridor focus areas.

1398
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:21,520
 So these could be areas that are those gateways or windows into the community that help to

1399
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:29,680
 define the character of Denton and those could benefit from area or corridor planning that

1400
01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:37,660
 focus in on design or architecture or whatever to help brand the community and illustrate

1401
01:35:37,660 --> 01:35:43,200
 what Denton is to those that may be driving by or through the community or visiting the

1402
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:47,780
 community for tourist purposes or work or living in the area.

1403
01:35:47,780 --> 01:35:53,320
 Those area plan areas that are identified through those circular dashed areas, I mean

1404
01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:58,560
 they could be things that identify design and character and architecture and land use.

1405
01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:03,000
 It could support mixed use, it could support a single use, but it could be a variety of

1406
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:04,280
 different things.

1407
01:36:04,280 --> 01:36:09,440
 But the important thing is that these three maps together work together to tell the story

1408
01:36:09,440 --> 01:36:15,100
 about how Denton should move forward from a general land use perspective to identifying

1409
01:36:15,100 --> 01:36:22,800
 those areas where more intense growth or future growth is intended or envisioned in regards

1410
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:29,440
 to preservation and balanced efforts of growth between new and within the community.

1411
01:36:29,440 --> 01:36:34,240
 And then those focus areas to say if we are going to focus growth or have those intense

1412
01:36:34,240 --> 01:36:39,600
 areas of growth, we need to think about ways that we can plan them appropriately to ensure

1413
01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:44,960
 that they reflect the values of the community, the vision of the community, and the character

1414
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:49,760
 of Denton that is extremely unique so they can continue to be that way far into the future

1415
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:52,400
 through the year 2040.

1416
01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:57,360
 So with that, I wanted to just go over the next steps that we're looking for at this

1417
01:36:57,360 --> 01:36:58,560
 point.

1418
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:02,240
 As noted earlier, there could be an additional city council work session tomorrow.

1419
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:04,080
 I know that's up for discussion.

1420
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:09,260
 If there is any discussion that's needed, that will be available.

1421
01:37:09,260 --> 01:37:13,440
 In the meantime, staff and Matrix will work together to edit the comprehensive plan and

1422
01:37:13,440 --> 01:37:18,840
 refine it to make that final version of it and have it ready to go for the public hearing

1423
01:37:18,840 --> 01:37:23,720
 process which will follow starting on the 23rd with the planning and zoning commission

1424
01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:28,120
 and resolving with the city council on March 1st.

1425
01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:38,680
 And this is the first steps to allowing for that more detailed discussion into prioritizing

1426
01:37:38,680 --> 01:37:44,320
 those implementation tasks such as the area plans which Tina had alluded to, or not even

1427
01:37:44,320 --> 01:37:49,880
 alluded to but specifically mentioned, starting on March 9th and then continuing on April

1428
01:37:49,880 --> 01:37:51,360
 5th with the city council.

1429
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:56,640
 So with that, I'd be happy to answer any questions or take or receive any comments you might

1430
01:37:56,640 --> 01:37:57,640
 have.

1431
01:37:57,640 --> 01:38:00,920
 And I'll also turn this back over to Tina if she has anything to add at this point.

1432
01:38:00,920 --> 01:38:01,920
 So thank you.

1433
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:02,920
 >> Thank you, Ed.

1434
01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:03,920
 >> Okay.

1435
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:04,920
 Thank you.

1436
01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:11,200
 Commissioner Reynolds.

1437
01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:12,520
 >> Thank you, Mayor.

1438
01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:24,120
 Commissioners, any questions at this moment for staff or Ed?

1439
01:38:24,120 --> 01:38:26,800
 I don't see any at this time, so I'll turn it back to you.

1440
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:27,800
 >> Great.

1441
01:38:27,800 --> 01:38:28,800
 Thank you.

1442
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:29,800
 Council, direction for staff.

1443
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:30,800
 Anyone?

1444
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:31,800
 Seeing none.

1445
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:39,200
 Councilor Betz?

1446
01:38:39,200 --> 01:38:51,560
 >> This is small and probably niggly, but why on the preferred growth map, we're kind

1447
01:38:51,560 --> 01:38:55,240
 of using -- this is so small and I feel silly for saying it.

1448
01:38:55,240 --> 01:38:57,520
 >> I was going to say now are we policy level or are we getting into the weeds?

1449
01:38:57,520 --> 01:38:58,520
 >> No, no.

1450
01:38:58,520 --> 01:38:59,520
 It's for this document.

1451
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:00,520
 No weeds at all.

1452
01:39:00,520 --> 01:39:01,520
 >> Okay.

1453
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:08,280
 So the question I have is consistency in presentation for the public-facing documentation, and it

1454
01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:19,780
 seems like our focus map is different than the rest of our mapping layouts, and I've

1455
01:39:19,780 --> 01:39:26,000
 actually -- what brought this up is questions from citizens, like, I don't understand this

1456
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:30,040
 sort of blur and style doing the map.

1457
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:38,600
 And so let me say it might do us -- it might be beneficial to make those mapping stylings

1458
01:39:38,600 --> 01:39:43,880
 consistent throughout the document to avoid citizen questions.

1459
01:39:43,880 --> 01:39:48,800
 >> Is it particularly -- you mentioned the preferred growth theory map or the concept

1460
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:49,800
 map?

1461
01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:50,800
 >> Let me get to the right.

1462
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:57,720
 Well, the preferred growth, I think, where we had the purple bars for industrial and

1463
01:39:57,720 --> 01:40:03,440
 shopping and I just was getting a lot of -- the stylings of it -- no, I wasn't getting a lot.

1464
01:40:03,440 --> 01:40:07,400
 I've got a couple questions, so I thought I would bring it up since there was no substantial

1465
01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:08,400
 questions.

1466
01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:14,400
 And that is just in terms of education, outreach, and community engagement, maybe if there's

1467
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:20,300
 an opportunity to make those maps more consistent, I don't want to belabor this point just visually

1468
01:40:20,300 --> 01:40:25,040
 so that as they flip between the different maps, they understand they're looking at the

1469
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:28,240
 same map over and over and over, displaying different things, and they know they're looking

1470
01:40:28,240 --> 01:40:29,240
 at Denton.

1471
01:40:29,240 --> 01:40:34,520
 But it just -- this is one of those things where I just think we could avoid questions

1472
01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:37,240
 to staff if we make them a little more consistent.

1473
01:40:37,240 --> 01:40:42,840
 >> Well, and I know we have on that preferred growth scenario map, I know we were making

1474
01:40:42,840 --> 01:40:46,280
 a quick adjustment to the map as a result of direction we received from council.

1475
01:40:46,280 --> 01:40:49,760
 And so we know we need to go back and clean up some of the editing.

1476
01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:53,560
 So if the concern was, well, how come the edges on this purple area are a little more

1477
01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:59,800
 fuzzy and shady compared to the area on the northwest quadrant, or at I-35 and 2A?

1478
01:40:59,800 --> 01:41:02,280
 We know we can do a little mapping cleanup there.

1479
01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:06,240
 Those were some crude edits as a result of direction that we've gotten both from PNZ

1480
01:41:06,240 --> 01:41:10,860
 and council to try and move along our conversation so that we know we have some cleanup that

1481
01:41:10,860 --> 01:41:12,520
 needs to be done.

1482
01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:16,560
 If the question, though, that you're receiving from the public, though, is the interrelationship

1483
01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:20,180
 between the maps, then -- so one of the challenges you have is the public's not then reading

1484
01:41:20,180 --> 01:41:25,200
 the words that are in the document also and seeing these maps in the context of the document.

1485
01:41:25,200 --> 01:41:29,400
 So that's where that additional explanation is within the comprehensive plan that explains

1486
01:41:29,400 --> 01:41:31,920
 the relationships amongst the maps.

1487
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:33,120
 Also we're here as a resource.

1488
01:41:33,120 --> 01:41:35,600
 We continue to be a resource for educating the public.

1489
01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:39,760
 So if folks have questions, whether they're residents or property owners, they're looking

1490
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:43,080
 to invest within the community, whatever the case is, that's where we as staff also serve

1491
01:41:43,080 --> 01:41:48,360
 as an educator in what the maps are trying to convey and what the document is saying.

1492
01:41:48,360 --> 01:41:52,720
 So I think it's all there, but if they're just looking at these maps individually as

1493
01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:56,320
 what you're getting in your presentations, then they're missing the context of how they're

1494
01:41:56,320 --> 01:41:57,320
 presented.

1495
01:41:57,320 --> 01:42:02,440
 And I will say, just as a comment to that, that there's a common phrase in lots of documentation

1496
01:42:02,440 --> 01:42:08,000
 literature of RTFM, and I'm not going to say what the F stands for.

1497
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:15,680
 And I'll leave it to people to Google that, the safety of the privacy of their own homes.

1498
01:42:15,680 --> 01:42:19,520
 When it is, people simply look at the pictures and they don't follow the narratives.

1499
01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:20,520
 And so just be aware.

1500
01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:23,760
 I'm just trying to save us some future question time is all.

1501
01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:24,760
 Okay.

1502
01:42:24,760 --> 01:42:25,760
 Thank you.

1503
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:26,760
 Okay.

1504
01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:27,760
 Any other questions?

1505
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:28,760
 Okay.

1506
01:42:28,760 --> 01:42:29,760
 Seeing none.

1507
01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:30,760
 Commissioner, one more time.

1508
01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:31,760
 Oh, you've got mayor.

1509
01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:32,760
 Oh, mayor for Tim Meltzer.

1510
01:42:32,760 --> 01:42:33,760
 Yeah.

1511
01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:34,760
 Thank you.

1512
01:42:34,760 --> 01:42:35,760
 Actually, not a question.

1513
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:50,600
 Just a gratitude, I feel like you've really listened, and I think the plan is being improved

1514
01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:51,600
 through the dialogue.

1515
01:42:51,600 --> 01:42:52,600
 So just thank you.

1516
01:42:52,600 --> 01:42:53,600
 You're welcome.

1517
01:42:53,600 --> 01:42:54,600
 Thank you.

1518
01:42:54,600 --> 01:42:55,600
 Okay.

1519
01:42:55,600 --> 01:42:59,520
 Councilmember Boer.

1520
01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:05,600
 I think that this is, you know, very responsive to the feedback that we've all given.

1521
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:11,320
 And in light of how responsive you all have been, I would feel comfortable skipping tomorrow's

1522
01:43:11,320 --> 01:43:16,920
 work session and just seeing this again at the public hearing.

1523
01:43:16,920 --> 01:43:18,120
 Okay.

1524
01:43:18,120 --> 01:43:20,000
 Thank you for that.

1525
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:24,680
 Seeing no other request to speak, making sure I'm not missing anyone.

1526
01:43:24,680 --> 01:43:25,680
 Okay.

1527
01:43:25,680 --> 01:43:26,680
 Let me check.

1528
01:43:26,680 --> 01:43:27,680
 You good?

1529
01:43:27,680 --> 01:43:28,680
 Yeah.

1530
01:43:28,680 --> 01:43:29,680
 Commissioner, any questions?

1531
01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:30,680
 Okay.

1532
01:43:30,680 --> 01:43:31,680
 I don't see any.

1533
01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:32,680
 Yeah.

1534
01:43:32,680 --> 01:43:35,400
 I'll just say, you know, thank you again for all the hard work.

1535
01:43:35,400 --> 01:43:39,200
 That collaborative effort needed and welcome change to the comp plan.

1536
01:43:39,200 --> 01:43:42,360
 So yeah, it's exciting to be able to move this forward.

1537
01:43:42,360 --> 01:43:43,360
 Thank you.

1538
01:43:43,360 --> 01:43:44,360
 Yeah.

1539
01:43:44,360 --> 01:43:48,680
 And I'll say I appreciate Ed pointing it out and staff pointing it out as well, that annual

1540
01:43:48,680 --> 01:43:52,560
 look at it from a planning zoning perspective, really good.

1541
01:43:52,560 --> 01:43:58,160
 You know, that'll be good to make sure it's active and matches what we've been seeing.

1542
01:43:58,160 --> 01:44:00,580
 And forgive me if I've missed it.

1543
01:44:00,580 --> 01:44:05,360
 Is there anything we can do with respect to, did you have a chance to look into the loophole

1544
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:12,320
 component with respect to zonings that, you know, kind of a one-offs to help us identify

1545
01:44:12,320 --> 01:44:13,320
 those?

1546
01:44:13,320 --> 01:44:14,320
 Right.

1547
01:44:14,320 --> 01:44:18,080
 So we have an action item within the comprehensive plan that speaks to evaluating the zoning

1548
01:44:18,080 --> 01:44:24,240
 for consistency with the comprehensive plan so that we can continue to look for those.

1549
01:44:24,240 --> 01:44:28,240
 And I think in the instance that you're speaking to, Haley was kind enough to give me a little

1550
01:44:28,240 --> 01:44:32,360
 background information on that, that I think the particular land use in question was actually

1551
01:44:32,360 --> 01:44:36,920
 allowed by right in that particular district, but what I would say is that if the zoning

1552
01:44:36,920 --> 01:44:41,280
 district that's in place is inconsistent with our comprehensive plan recommendations, then

1553
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:43,360
 there's an opportunity for us to go back and take a look at that.

1554
01:44:43,360 --> 01:44:47,880
 But that goes back to that overarching action item that speaks to periodically evaluating

1555
01:44:47,880 --> 01:44:50,600
 our zoning to make sure it's consistent with the comprehensive plan.

1556
01:44:50,600 --> 01:44:51,600
 Got it.

1557
01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:52,600
 Okay.

1558
01:44:52,600 --> 01:44:53,600
 Yeah.

1559
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:54,600
 Okay.

1560
01:44:54,600 --> 01:44:55,600
 Great.

1561
01:44:55,600 --> 01:44:56,600
 Thank you for that.

1562
01:44:56,600 --> 01:44:57,600
 Okay.

1563
01:44:57,600 --> 01:45:04,840
 If there's anyone that is against giving staff a workday tomorrow to finalize this for public

1564
01:45:04,840 --> 01:45:07,760
 hearing, then you'd need to say so.

1565
01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:12,560
 Otherwise, I'm going to assume we don't need to hear the same presentation tomorrow.

1566
01:45:12,560 --> 01:45:14,760
 See none?

1567
01:45:14,760 --> 01:45:16,060
 Great.

1568
01:45:16,060 --> 01:45:18,040
 So that's the direction on both of those.

1569
01:45:18,040 --> 01:45:21,920
 So thank you all very much for your help.

1570
01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:23,920
 Do we have anything else?

1571
01:45:23,920 --> 01:45:24,920
 That's all we had on the agenda.

1572
01:45:24,920 --> 01:45:25,920
 So unless you have anything else-

1573
01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:26,920
 No, that's it, Mayor.

1574
01:45:26,920 --> 01:45:30,520
 I'm sorry?

1575
01:45:30,520 --> 01:45:31,520
 That's all that's on the agenda.

1576
01:45:31,520 --> 01:45:32,520
 Good.

1577
01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:33,520
 We finished it for today.

1578
01:45:33,520 --> 01:45:34,520
 Good.

1579
01:45:34,520 --> 01:45:35,520
 Good.

1580
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:36,520
 Ed, you do great work.

1581
01:45:36,520 --> 01:45:37,520
 I'm going to give you...

1582
01:45:37,520 --> 01:45:42,760
 No, I appreciate your team being responsive, the additional meetings, that sort of thing.

1583
01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:44,720
 So spinning up and scaling.

1584
01:45:44,720 --> 01:45:46,920
 So thank you very much for that.

1585
01:45:46,920 --> 01:45:49,960
 So then, Commissioner Ellis, anything?

1586
01:45:49,960 --> 01:45:50,960
 It's been...

1587
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:51,960
 Thank you.

1588
01:45:51,960 --> 01:45:52,960
 Commissioner Ellis, I used to serve on P&Z together.

1589
01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:54,920
 So this is nostalgic for you.

1590
01:45:54,920 --> 01:45:55,920
 It is.

1591
01:45:55,920 --> 01:45:58,000
 It makes me feel comfortable being next to her.

1592
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:00,200
 But anything else you want to add before we...

1593
01:46:00,200 --> 01:46:05,480
 No, I think the only thing that I would like to add is, well, this is the first joint session

1594
01:46:05,480 --> 01:46:10,400
 in my five-plus years on P&Z that we've had.

1595
01:46:10,400 --> 01:46:15,520
 I would have liked to have seen this at the beginning of maybe after we heard it one time

1596
01:46:15,520 --> 01:46:20,400
 versus at the end when we've had already so much discussion back and forth.

1597
01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:26,120
 I think we could have been super productive, even more so, at the very beginning of this

1598
01:46:26,120 --> 01:46:29,720
 type of plan.

1599
01:46:29,720 --> 01:46:30,800
 So I'll just say that.

1600
01:46:30,800 --> 01:46:35,680
 But thrilled to be here and, yes, wonderful to be sitting on the dais with you once again.

1601
01:46:35,680 --> 01:46:36,680
 Oh, me too.

1602
01:46:36,680 --> 01:46:37,680
 Thank you.

1603
01:46:37,680 --> 01:46:38,680
 Yeah.

1604
01:46:38,680 --> 01:46:39,680
 Thank you.

1605
01:46:39,680 --> 01:46:40,680
 Okay.

1606
01:46:40,680 --> 01:46:41,680
 Councilman Betts?

1607
01:46:41,680 --> 01:46:45,320
 Yeah, just because Commissioner Ellis brought that up, if in future planning sessions with

1608
01:46:45,320 --> 01:46:52,880
 the future council, if we could do that, that's just a beautiful comment because a lot of these

1609
01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:57,840
 concerns we had were early on and could have been addressed and not how did this go back

1610
01:46:57,840 --> 01:46:58,840
 and forth.

1611
01:46:58,840 --> 01:47:02,240
 And then I think that really would have been helpful to have a beginning middle and then

1612
01:47:02,240 --> 01:47:03,240
 a finalizer.

1613
01:47:03,240 --> 01:47:04,760
 And I love that.

1614
01:47:04,760 --> 01:47:05,760
 Thank you, Commissioner Ellis.

1615
01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:06,760
 It was a great comment.

1616
01:47:06,760 --> 01:47:08,840
 Well, I'm glad you all are finding this to be receptive.

1617
01:47:08,840 --> 01:47:13,560
 I've utilized this strategy, if you will, or opportunity to get the groups together on

1618
01:47:13,560 --> 01:47:17,000
 some other projects and it typically proved very beneficial in those.

1619
01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:21,520
 So I appreciate you all being receptive to the opportunity to have this joint meeting

1620
01:47:21,520 --> 01:47:26,440
 and where it really can be beneficial is especially if we don't have agreement on certain areas.

1621
01:47:26,440 --> 01:47:29,120
 So I felt like our discussion day was very productive.

1622
01:47:29,120 --> 01:47:33,240
 And so I appreciate you all entertaining this approach, especially as we're moving into

1623
01:47:33,240 --> 01:47:35,160
 the final stretch on this project.

1624
01:47:35,160 --> 01:47:39,040
 But your comments are duly noted and happy to bring you guys together more often on some

1625
01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:40,280
 other projects in the future.

1626
01:47:40,280 --> 01:47:41,280
 Got it.

1627
01:47:41,280 --> 01:47:42,280
 Okay.

1628
01:47:42,280 --> 01:47:45,760
 So I'll let you I think I'll let you close and then I'll close this.

1629
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:46,760
 That sounds good.

1630
01:47:46,760 --> 01:47:50,260
 I will adjourn the commission at 1227 p.m.

1631
01:47:50,260 --> 01:47:51,260
 Okay.

1632
01:47:51,260 --> 01:47:56,520
 And I'll conclude the council work session at 1227 as well.

1633
01:47:56,520 --> 01:47:58,560
 And we'll be back tomorrow.

1634
01:47:58,560 --> 01:47:59,960
 Commissioner Ellis, feel free to come join us.

1635
01:47:59,960 --> 01:48:00,960
 We start at three.

1636
01:48:00,960 --> 01:48:01,960
 You can hang out.

1637
01:48:01,960 --> 01:48:02,960
 All right.

1638
01:48:02,960 --> 01:48:03,960
 Thank you all very much.

1639
01:48:03,960 --> 01:48:04,960
 Thank you.

1640
01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:05,960
 Thank you, Ed.