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 Good morning and welcome to the City of Denton's Planning and Zoning Commission

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 meeting for Wednesday, February 9th 2022. This is our work session and with a

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 quorum present I will call us to order at 10.02 a.m. Let the record show that

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 Vice Chair Smith and Commissioner Anderson are absent. We've got two

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 reports on our work session today so we'll bring up the first one which is

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 Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion, Give Staff Direction regarding the Draft

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 2022 Mobility Plan. Hello Becky. Good morning. Becky Devaney, City

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 Engineer, Director of Capital Projects. Thank you so much for having me today. I

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 am going to get started by sharing my screen. Sorry it's harder to see. There we

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 go. Alrighty. So as you can see from the first slide we're here to talk about the

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 Draft 2022 Mobility Plan update. I know we came before you I guess about a month

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 ago to talk specifically about the the latest update that we had made. Today

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 myself along with Nathan George our Senior Planner Bicycle ADA Pedestrian

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 Coordinator and Preetem Deshmukh of our Transportation Planning Department will

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 be here to present the information to you. Preetem and I will share the

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 presentation but of course we know there's going to be questions and so

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 we're all three here to help you. Brief overview I can go really quick with this.

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 We're going to talk about our key focus of the Mobility Plan, what we heard from

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 the comments that we received, talk a little bit about the types of master

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 plans the city has and why it's so important to have a Mobility Plan, the

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 function of the transportation system, that holistic view of a Mobility Plan

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 and then some of the comment responses that we received. I will make mention

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 that we've received comments from council meeting yesterday. I'll try to

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 update you with those. We also have received comments Sunday and Monday and

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 Tuesday that we're working through so we have not had that opportunity to

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 address comments that have come in this week completely so we're still working

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 through that process. It does take a little bit of time to evaluate each one.

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 So first things first, what we heard from council on our January 25th

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 presentation was safety is the key and most important component of the Mobility

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 Plan. So we want you also to understand that we heard loud and clear the city

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 council's recommendation. Although the goals were not in any kind of

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 hierarchical order, we did go ahead and take goal number seven based on the

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 recommendations we received and move it to goal number one. We understand the

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 travel needs and priorities of the Mobility Plan, really safety is first. So

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 we appreciate that comment. I will mention yesterday in the meeting with

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 council not only do they want safety to be first, they'd like for us to move the

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 language to be more proactive than reactive and so we are working on

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 updating that section to make maybe a little bit more of an aggressive

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 statement throughout that entire goal section talking about how safety is so

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 important and so we will share that information with you as we get that

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 updated. Just a little bit of an overview. I know you're all aware of this. You see

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 this, you hear this as you sit on this board. I'm sorry commission and really

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 think through you know the different types of plans the city has. You've seen

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 these, you've heard us talk about them. You know obviously Ditten Water Utilities

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 has water master plans. They're working on a wastewater master plan. Our team's

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 working on a stormwater master plan. Solid Waste is working on an update. We

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 even have an urban forest master plan. I know you're all very aware of that but

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 really these different plans are what make the city move in the right

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 direction from a planning perspective. They do exactly what they say. We plan

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 our work so we can work those plans. The mobility plan specifically having that

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 multimodal bicycle auto pedestrian. I want to make sure you understand that the

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 two that you see circled in red, the Ditten plan 2040 and the parks trails

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 master plan have been working in concert with each other really to move us through

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 this process. This has not been a project that has been done in isolation. This has

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 been something that we work as a team and I will tell you it has been really a

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 great experience working with everyone together to get these plans working as

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 succinctly as we have. The purpose of a mobility plan, I think we all know the

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 purpose. I wanted to hit home on this because some of the comments we received

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 from council on our January 25th presentation are really specific to why

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 are we doing this and what is all what are the next steps. So you know really I

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 want to make sure everyone understands it is a multimodal transportation plan.

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 You know we take the time to focus in on the thoroughfare plan. We're worried

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 about where the future roadways are going to go. You know that's one-third of

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 the project. It's also looking at the pedestrian and the bicycle to make that

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 that holistic view and the plan is really to accommodate that growth over

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 the next 30 years. I really like this graphic that we have. This is the cog

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 graphic that shows you the mobility plan 2045 that Cogs currently updating. The

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 reason why I bring it to your attention if you look in Denton County you're

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 going to see that outer loop that's connecting to 35. That's also shown on our

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 mobility plan. The reason why I want you to see that is it's connecting Denton

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 County to Colling County to Hunt County. So you understand that these are not closed

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 systems. These are connected systems between these different counties. You

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 also can see loop 288 West. Obviously we're all aware of 35 E 35 W and then of

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 course at the Golden Triangle where it becomes 35. But understand the reason

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 why we want to work together and we show these types of graphical

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 representations on our mobility plan are from the perspective that these are

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 regional transportation networks that also helps us secure the state and

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 federal funding that's needed to help with the growth of these projects as

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 they come along. Flexibility of a mobility plan. So I'll be honest a lot

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 of the comments that we've received not only over the last couple of months but

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 throughout the entire process that I've been involved with the mobility plan is

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 really talking about you know the road the line you show on the map shows the

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 road going directly through my house my pond my you know XYZ. We understand that.

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 We hear you loud and clear. It's the same comments that we've received also from

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 council. These are roadway alignments of proposed networks particularly in

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 greenfield areas they can be adjusted. I'm going to show you an example in a

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 minute you were a part of. I just I want you to understand their graphical

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 schematic representations that help us align with where we're going to have

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 future roadways. They also help us with the process of collecting roadway impact

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 fees because they show these are the areas of which we think future roadways

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 are going to need to be developed. They also align with the Denton County

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 thoroughfare plan and the overall tech stock thoroughfare plan. These roadways

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 are long time or long-term needs like I talked about it this is a 30-year plan.

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 Many of these roadways I may not see in my lifetime even being constructed which

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 is crazy to think but that's exactly what it is. They won't be constructed

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 tomorrow but they're going to be constructed as development comes along

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 and we have to plan appropriately. They'll turn in either to a project

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 that's done as part of a development project and then maybe another portion

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 of it will be a capital project or they may be decided that there's a capital

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 project that needs to be developed in that area. So those are the two different

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 ways we can deliver those. You know this mobility plans are updated every five

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 years. We do have the opportunities to make amendments before those five-year

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 timeframes. It's very critical that we get this update completed from the

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 standpoint that not only is it time because it's a 2015 plan that was

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 adopted in 2016 but it's also time because we need to get those roadway

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 impact fees moved to the next step and those are in the process and need to be

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 updated. Talk a little bit about roadway function. I'm going to turn it over to

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 Preetem and he's going to come up and talk to you about it. What I want to

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 mention to you is a lot of the comments we received from council and I'm going to

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 specifically focus in on an area and I'm going to turn it over to him but we got a

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 lot of comments about can a primary arterial turn into two secondary

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 arterials or can a secondary arterial turn into two collectors. There's reasons

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 why each one of the roadway classifications are developed in the

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 manner of which they can. Keep in mind the difference between a primary

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 arterial and a secondary arterial is really the right-of-way width and a

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 six-lane to four-lane but with that context sensitive design we can design

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 what needs to be built based on the capacity needs and the designing from

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 the traffic impact analysis within that right-of-way. I will mention to you

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 several of the concerns that we received from council yesterday. We're

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 specifically in the northeast quadrant where they've asked us to go back and

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 evaluate based on what we've shared with this message from the roadway function

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 and the classifications Preetem is going to go over with you. In the northeast

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 quadrant of town we will be making some updates and evaluating that. We've already

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 had several meetings since the council meeting yesterday. We've had several

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 conversations even today as a staff and as a team of what can we do to address

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 some of those concerns. We'll be bringing that back to you Monday during our

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 joint session but just wanted to mention that to you. So I'm going to turn it over

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 to Preetem. He's going to give me a breather let me get a drink and we're

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 going to talk through the next types of roadway classifications. Thank you Preetem.

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 Thank you Becky. Good morning everyone. Preeten Deshmukh, Transportation Planning.

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 And yeah as Becky mentioned really what I'm trying to get to is some basic

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 concepts of transportation planning and principles that we planners and

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 engineers use to define these networks. So start with a little bit of what what

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 are these roadways? What is their main function? And their primary function they

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 have two primary functions. It's access providing access to people's houses homes

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 or driveway on a local street or a business or a retail. That's that's

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 access piece is one piece. The other piece is mobility. If someone wants to go

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 from point A to point B or someone wants to commute to work that that is mobility.

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 So roadways have two primary functions and based on those two functions they

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 are categorized into four different types. And if you see on the map on this

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 graphic on the right side you can see it's a graph that actually represents

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 axis on the y-axis the vertical axis and then mobility on the x-axis horizontal.

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 And if you look at the actual curve it's comprised of different colors. The first

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 color on the top is blue and that represents local roadways. These are

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 roadways that are in front of your houses. These are roadways that are really

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 small roadways that just have driveways and axis on them. And majority of the

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 roadways within the city 75% of them are these local roadways that that's their

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 primary function is provide access. The second class is collectors. Those are if

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 you look at that those are the orange shaded area of the map. But it comprises

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 approximately 10% of roadway systems. And if you see them they have a little bit

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 of higher mobility in built in them. So not only they provide access but also

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 they provide that mobility from from taking someone from their home or in

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 there from their neighborhood to a place where it connects to a higher

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 denomination of a classification roadway system. So those are collectors. If you

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 move to the next step which is yellow it's minor arterials they constitute

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 about 10% of our system approximately. And now you see that their function is

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 slowly getting more into mobility and less into access. And then the last one

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 which is principal arterials or primary arterials their function is more of

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 mobility. Getting a person from where they live to their destination where

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 they work or where they live to if they want to visit someone or if they want to

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 go to a specified mall or a shopping complex destinations throughout the

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 region. So based on all these classifications when a roadways design

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 when you actually get into design we have to define the function. If we don't

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 define the function and design appropriately that's where we have

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 issues. In older communities you see the function was defined differently by the

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 time growth happened and things happened around it now the function has

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 changed and that's why you have some areas that don't function the way they

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 were supposed to because the access and the use or the function itself has

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 changed. So that's why it's very important to at the planning level to

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 make sure that all the design features are are intended to match what that

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 roadway will be functioning as. And as Becky mentioned context sensitive design

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 when we talk about that when we are defining some of these roadway types for

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 example in arterial when we were talking about the function the speed itself the

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 the actual classification does not necessarily relate to the speed. So we

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 can have a classification that is higher higher classification that provides

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 mobility that provides that larger roadway or capacity but it can still be

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 designed for lower speeds it can still and that's exactly what context

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 sensitive design so that's part that so there that needs to be an appropriate

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 balance between these competing functions because they're competing when

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 you have access people slow down to get into someone's driveway and when you have

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 mobility people want to move a little bit quicker so that's where we have to

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 design them appropriately. Getting on to the next slide why do we need all of

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 these different types of functional classification roadways so we need them

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 to actually provide the greatest degree of safety and efficiency so there are

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 two aspects as I mentioned there are competing functions if we provide a

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 network that is just providing access and in slower speeds there will be a lot

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 of congestion if there if we just provide freeways and larger arterials

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 there'll be a lot of speeding around and less access people won't so there has to

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 be that balance and we have to define when we're planning roadways and

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 communities that we have to define that there is an appropriate balance so if

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 someone wants to live in Denton and they a lot of people don't necessarily live

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 and work at the same place they do so when they have to go from point A to

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 point B there has to be a system that lets them do that and if we start

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 converting all these larger materials into collectors or secondaries a person

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 trying to get out to the destination will have that much difficulty because

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 of the congestion so these are all the different things that need to be taken

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 into account when we're planning the system and that's why this is just a

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 quick update on the transportation planning concepts and now I'll turn it

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 back to Becky. Thank you. Thank you Preeten. So I wanted to talk about you all

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 know my favorite buzzword is holistic I use it all the time you know my partner

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 and deputy director Rachel Wood of Capital Projects I know you all know she

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 recently took on a new position but before she left she gave me a bracelet

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 with the word holistic on it because it's our buzzword so it's our word

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 together so I have to continue to use it and share so thank you for letting me

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 share that story but the holistic view of a mobility plan I mean I mentioned

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 this when I first started the presentation it's not just lines on a

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 map right so we take the time to really focus in the thoroughfare plan the lines

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 on the map the bike and ped and all the efforts and I'll tell you the the

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 lineshare of that's been done by Nathan because he has a lot of great ideas of

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 how we can make this a multimodal community and so it's not just the map

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 if you take the time to read the plan there's a lot of goals of it in

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 objectives within there of course we want to facilitate alternate train

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 transportation opportunities that's that bike and ped we want to prioritize

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 safety you heard me say and we heard from council safety is their top

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 priority that's the reason why we moved the goal we want to deliver an

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 effective network of travel you just heard pre to him talk about it when you

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 think about how you leave your neighborhood and you go from a

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 residential street a collector on to a some type of arterial eventually maybe

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 to get to I-35 you know to commute to wherever you're headed to that's the

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 common travel pattern and then leverage leveraging innovation of course that's

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 always something that we want to do to evaluate so with each within each one of

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 the goals and you know we have nine goals we also have multiple strategies

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 we have multiple objectives that we want to work through I did mention like I

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 said with councils ideas yesterday and comments that we received not only are

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 we going to move goal one goal seven to go one we're also going to go ahead and

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 be very much more aggressive with the language that we use on that goal so

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 this is really just to try to help you understand yes we have a plan yes it has

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 beautiful pictures and a lot of pretty words and a lot of goals yes we have the

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 maps but really essentially these are working together in concert with each

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 other to make this to make this a successful plan hey Becky can I interrupt

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 you for a second absolutely on that note because we seem to get caught up in that

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 number and what should be one and that kind of thing did anyone think of making

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 it ABCD dot dot dot instead of one two three so we don't get lost and what

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 might be a priority and not since it's all a priority you know we've thought

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 about several different things of how do we approach that do we bowl you know the

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 word safety you know what do we do but no right I think we're getting stuck on

00:18:54.080 --> 00:18:57.960
 it and it's kind of silly because obviously that's a goal I mean they're

00:18:57.960 --> 00:19:03.520
 all goals it's all part of this holistic look at this it has to be so yeah I've

00:19:03.520 --> 00:19:07.780
 just in just didn't know if that yeah it was thought about that like let's get

00:19:07.780 --> 00:19:11.520
 rid of the number because people seem to get stuck on well if it's not number one

00:19:11.520 --> 00:19:15.680
 it can't it's not the best thing but right so they don't make it one two

00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:20.560
 three so people can think differently no I understand and I think that's a very

00:19:20.560 --> 00:19:26.880
 valid comment and I appreciate that you know I think that in general we think in

00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:31.680
 number order and that's the reason why we got well why is number seven you know

00:19:31.680 --> 00:19:35.400
 and that's the purpose of it wasn't a hierarchy you know it was really just a

00:19:35.400 --> 00:19:40.920
 list of an order of goals so basically a bulleted list is I'm sure what the intent

00:19:40.920 --> 00:19:45.280
 was it was originally yes and then you know it's like well how do we make this

00:19:45.280 --> 00:19:49.960
 be organized in a fashion where it's understandable okay but I do like I do

00:19:49.960 --> 00:19:54.840
 like that idea so we're gonna continue to kind of work work through those so

00:19:54.840 --> 00:19:58.520
 and that's really why I took on that on this last slide I'll tell you you know

00:19:58.520 --> 00:20:04.240
 these are the four categories that then break into the separate individual goals

00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:08.720
 and of course as you can see you know safety is of course one of those four

00:20:08.720 --> 00:20:14.240
 major categories that we then break into those individual goals but no I

00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:18.680
 appreciate that comment so I wanted to move from that holistic view that

00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:23.280
 mobility plan that map that plan that talks about how are we going to do these

00:20:23.280 --> 00:20:25.920
 goals how are we going to use these strategies how are we going to move

00:20:25.920 --> 00:20:31.560
 through this process this is a 30-year plan to how do we go from a plan at a

00:20:31.560 --> 00:20:36.680
 policy document into a design so what I want to focus in on is when we move from

00:20:36.680 --> 00:20:41.440
 that planning level document and this happens to us every single day right we

00:20:41.440 --> 00:20:45.320
 see oh yes there's a line on a map we know there may be a future roadway there

00:20:45.320 --> 00:20:49.400
 we as staff then take it from being a plan and that's the reason why I wanted

00:20:49.400 --> 00:20:53.800
 you to see there's so many different plans that the city has we start to work

00:20:53.800 --> 00:20:57.960
 that plan how we start to work that plan is not only using that as our guidance

00:20:57.960 --> 00:21:02.080
 document our policy document to then work through looking at the Denton

00:21:02.080 --> 00:21:06.840
 Development Code what does the code say what are the land use assumptions how is

00:21:06.840 --> 00:21:11.760
 that area supposed to grow what is the transportation criteria manual say how

00:21:11.760 --> 00:21:16.040
 is that roadway supposed to be designed what are the options we look at you know

00:21:16.040 --> 00:21:21.160
 safety we look at the different the different speed you know the different

00:21:21.160 --> 00:21:25.720
 roadways need to be you know we then we move from you know the different

00:21:25.720 --> 00:21:30.800
 classifications of lanes etc into that specification book that's the third

00:21:30.800 --> 00:21:33.760
 thing you see that tells us how we're going to build the road to what type of

00:21:33.760 --> 00:21:37.920
 material it's going to be and ultimately the standard details you know those show

00:21:37.920 --> 00:21:42.800
 all the different types of roadway cross sections and really you know is it a

00:21:42.800 --> 00:21:47.440
 modified primary arterial is it a standard primary arterial so there are

00:21:47.440 --> 00:21:51.080
 wonderful guidance documents and I know y'all have seen these because you approved

00:21:51.080 --> 00:21:55.120
 the criteria manuals and I know you're aware of the specifications and the code

00:21:55.120 --> 00:21:59.840
 of course and the standard details but that is how we go from the process of

00:21:59.840 --> 00:22:04.400
 taking something from a plan and moving it through whether it's the development

00:22:04.400 --> 00:22:09.680
 process or the capital planning process from an idea and a plan through that

00:22:09.680 --> 00:22:13.560
 design phase to really get the engineering that's needed to make sure

00:22:13.560 --> 00:22:18.080
 that that road is designed I will mention to Commissioner Prud I know

00:22:18.080 --> 00:22:21.240
 you've made a lot of comments we've also received a lot of other comments

00:22:21.240 --> 00:22:25.840
 specifically related to the Vision Zero and the safety measures all of those

00:22:25.840 --> 00:22:29.960
 weren't able to be incorporated in this year's transportation criteria manual

00:22:29.960 --> 00:22:35.160
 when we made the update but we know we're doing the citywide speed study we

00:22:35.160 --> 00:22:38.960
 know that that information should be ready towards late summer August

00:22:38.960 --> 00:22:43.120
 September timeframe for us to be able to prepare and bring that information back

00:22:43.120 --> 00:22:46.760
 we do anticipate there's going to be some updates to the criteria manual

00:22:46.760 --> 00:22:50.920
 knowing that safety is a priority speed study is going to help us with that

00:22:50.920 --> 00:22:55.440
 information we're working with pre-tem on those Vision Zero ideas as we work

00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:59.320
 through those ideas we'll work to incorporate those into our guidance

00:22:59.320 --> 00:23:06.280
 documents that we use this is really our playbook I guess you should say so I

00:23:06.280 --> 00:23:09.440
 told you I was going to give you an example of how a line on the map becomes

00:23:09.440 --> 00:23:16.400
 a project you know this is an existing area this is 35 and loop 288 West and

00:23:16.400 --> 00:23:20.600
 you can see this green line right here on the map and it was a pretty you know

00:23:20.600 --> 00:23:25.200
 fairly straight but it was connecting point a to point B so winds are on the

00:23:25.200 --> 00:23:31.640
 east across on over on the west what you see is when this development came

00:23:31.640 --> 00:23:36.440
 through they came to the city and said if we try to design that roadway in

00:23:36.440 --> 00:23:41.760
 alignment with the way that it's shown on the map we think we're missing the

00:23:41.760 --> 00:23:46.840
 mark would you consider looking at an evaluating and changing that roadway to

00:23:46.840 --> 00:23:49.960
 the line with some existing roadway structures that are already in that

00:23:49.960 --> 00:23:54.400
 area and we said yeah that makes a lot of sense it's just a lot on a map let's

00:23:54.400 --> 00:23:58.400
 evaluate it let's see what happens so we were able to evaluate it that and say

00:23:58.400 --> 00:24:03.000
 you know what that does make sense we're not only bringing from the eastern side

00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:07.400
 as the Windsor improvements are going to be made we know 35 is going to have a

00:24:07.400 --> 00:24:12.320
 bridge at Windsor and then we know that as you can you traverse across that

00:24:12.320 --> 00:24:18.480
 area it makes more sense to go within an existing roadway area and not cut this

00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:22.720
 individual's property in half and make it where it's a little bit less

00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:28.160
 developable so that's a good really good example from our mind as to how a line

00:24:28.160 --> 00:24:31.440
 on the map actually worked itself through the process during that

00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:35.040
 development phase that then turned into you know you know something that this

00:24:35.040 --> 00:24:40.080
 project could move forward with the comment response log was included as

00:24:40.080 --> 00:24:44.760
 exhibit 3 in your backup I know we got a lot of comments our team worked the best

00:24:44.760 --> 00:24:49.280
 we could with receiving the comments to address the different classifications of

00:24:49.280 --> 00:24:54.080
 roadways that safety is that number one priority talking about some examples

00:24:54.080 --> 00:25:02.240
 that we saw there were some specific examples on ideas of Thunderbird was one

00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:05.240
 of them per se that the question was well why does it turn up north and

00:25:05.240 --> 00:25:08.800
 connect to Windsor instead of continuing east and just connect to

00:25:08.800 --> 00:25:13.000
 Bonnie Bray you know what valid point we looked at it we evaluated we think that

00:25:13.000 --> 00:25:16.280
 we are going to look at making that update to connect directly to Bonnie

00:25:16.280 --> 00:25:22.720
 Bray also similarly I just showed you a few of the other examples Mingo Road came

00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:26.880
 up a lot of questions about Mingo Road you know it's currently a CIP project

00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:30.680
 that we have at about 30% design so a lot of the questions that were asked

00:25:30.680 --> 00:25:35.000
 Alma Locas was also asked I'll mention to you on a previous mobility plan it

00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:38.320
 was shown as a primary arterial and we're working through and on the the

00:25:38.320 --> 00:25:41.880
 current mobility plan it's a lower classification and we're working through

00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:46.560
 as a city looks to possibly take that as a turn back from text dot how do we

00:25:46.560 --> 00:25:50.320
 change the character of Alma Locas Nathan has a lot of ideas of how to get

00:25:50.320 --> 00:25:55.680
 the bicycle and pedestrian network through that area so a lot of the

00:25:55.680 --> 00:25:59.840
 comments we received were specific to that a lot of them were design related

00:25:59.840 --> 00:26:04.000
 so that's the reason why I wanted to show you the criteria manuals and and

00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:08.320
 really talk a lot about that there were some questions about some of the

00:26:08.320 --> 00:26:13.840
 interactive map tools and and some of the traffic patterns changing etc these

00:26:13.840 --> 00:26:19.440
 are plans these are the best guess with our crystal ball based on fact and data

00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:23.480
 well you know what we see that's going to happen in the future so like I

00:26:23.480 --> 00:26:27.600
 mentioned we still received a few comments that came in on Sunday and

00:26:27.600 --> 00:26:32.280
 Monday and then we had a couple of comments yesterday from council

00:26:32.280 --> 00:26:37.500
 specifically related to that nor three North Eastern quadrant and then of

00:26:37.500 --> 00:26:40.880
 course some comments about safety and making that language a little bit more

00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:45.120
 aggressive so we'll be working through that anticipate seeing that if not I'm

00:26:45.120 --> 00:26:49.240
 in the Friday report definitely in the presentation on Monday we're gonna work

00:26:49.240 --> 00:26:54.840
 the hardest and best we can to get all that in the Friday report but definitely

00:26:54.840 --> 00:26:58.760
 expect to see that as a part of the conversation with our joint council and

00:26:58.760 --> 00:27:02.560
 planning and zoning Commission meeting that's happening on Monday so with that

00:27:02.560 --> 00:27:09.000
 I'm gonna end with the most important side of it all so the key focus of the

00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:12.120
 mobility plan we've talked about this over and over and over you're gonna get

00:27:12.120 --> 00:27:16.760
 sick of hearing me say this it's a multimodal plan you know this it's

00:27:16.760 --> 00:27:23.960
 bicycle pedestrian and auto friendly yes we heard loud and clear number seven is

00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:28.640
 not number seven it's number one it's letter a you know it's whatever it needs

00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:33.200
 to be but yes it's the top and most important thing we also understand

00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:36.920
 there's contact-sensitive design in each one of these areas we know in some of

00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:40.840
 these areas we show primary arterial secondary arterials but we understand

00:27:40.840 --> 00:27:44.640
 that the engineering design that's going to be going into each one of these

00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:49.440
 roadways based on the criteria the code the specifications and the standard

00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:54.480
 detail is going to work to design that roadway based on the surrounding areas

00:27:54.480 --> 00:28:01.920
 so with that I'm going to end our presentation and as I mentioned Nathan

00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:08.080
 myself and pre-tem are here and we're happy to answer any questions that you

00:28:08.080 --> 00:28:13.040
 might have I appreciate you taking the time to allow us to to visit with you

00:28:13.040 --> 00:28:17.280
 today and share this update I know you all know this is very important for our

00:28:17.280 --> 00:28:21.000
 team to get this delivered as I mentioned once this once this is wrapped

00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:24.840
 up and we are working through those next steps to get that roadway impact fee

00:28:24.840 --> 00:28:28.800
 document updated very important especially as developments come through

00:28:28.800 --> 00:28:32.040
 we want to make sure we have that document so that we can include we can

00:28:32.040 --> 00:28:38.160
 include and enforce that that ordinance so appreciate your time and look forward

00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:42.400
 to getting this through the finish line it is currently in the public hearing

00:28:42.400 --> 00:28:47.760
 phase and so that publication was in the newspaper on Monday and Tina is going to

00:28:47.760 --> 00:28:52.520
 go into greater detail during her presentation the overall schedule we're

00:28:52.520 --> 00:28:55.240
 in alignment with the schedule that she's going to talk about so I'm gonna

00:28:55.240 --> 00:28:59.440
 let her share that but it's been a great opportunity working together with the

00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:03.520
 comp plan and that entire team working and making sure the land use assumptions

00:29:03.520 --> 00:29:07.760
 align with this overall mobility plan so with that I'll be quiet and I'll let you

00:29:07.760 --> 00:29:12.000
 ask any questions that you might have as always great presentation thank you

00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:18.120
 thank you ma'am questions for Becky while she is here

00:29:18.120 --> 00:29:27.600
 Commissioner Pruitt thank you chair I'll get it rolling here I've I've got quite

00:29:27.600 --> 00:29:31.520
 a few so feel free to cut me off if it brings up other ideas from other

00:29:31.520 --> 00:29:37.780
 commissioners please I want this to be a proactive time first I've got a few that

00:29:37.780 --> 00:29:41.920
 are just more specific I'll try to make my questions as short as possible

00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:46.920
 I'm really not looking for a you know how does this save the world answer but

00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:52.840
 just just to make sure that I clearly understand what's going on just to be

00:29:52.840 --> 00:29:59.040
 sure I know we've worked with a cog a lot and CT cog on this plan as I was

00:29:59.040 --> 00:30:02.760
 perusing it looked like there were some sections in the Texas local government

00:30:02.760 --> 00:30:09.200
 code specifically 242 001 G that suggests that if there's a deviation

00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:15.880
 between the the city's plan in the ETA and the cogs plan that the cogs plan

00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:19.960
 would apply essentially so I just wanted to understand whether we've looked at

00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:24.680
 all those ETA areas and made sure that we align with the cogs so we're not

00:30:24.680 --> 00:30:30.240
 purporting something that that we can't enforce essentially sure that's our goal

00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:33.160
 that's why I mentioned the county thoroughfare plan and the overall

00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:37.600
 textile thoroughfare plan those are the plans that the cog absolutely is is

00:30:37.600 --> 00:30:42.200
 adopting and working in concert with our team is going to evaluate some of those

00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:47.040
 additional ETJ areas specifically in that northeastern quadrant based on some

00:30:47.040 --> 00:30:50.640
 of the feedback we received but that's part of the reason why I wanted you to

00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:53.920
 show you the map that the same lines they're showing or the same lines we're

00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:59.000
 showing okay and not necessarily is that always the easiest thing to do because

00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:03.360
 we get a lot of questions and it's hard to explain those are not roadways the

00:31:03.360 --> 00:31:07.120
 city is planning those are roadways that text on is planning or the county is

00:31:07.120 --> 00:31:11.320
 planning but that we work together and make sure that we all show those same

00:31:11.320 --> 00:31:20.480
 roadway networks thank you sure second on on sort of the thoroughfare plan on

00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:25.640
 the far eastern side of town there's a primary arterial that's planned kind of

00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:30.680
 east of Mayhill if you will we just got finished with that mayhill project great

00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:36.160
 job by the way and and I just wanted to have some confirmation because when I

00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:41.800
 just look at the overall map it kind of looks like we've got lots more north

00:31:41.800 --> 00:31:45.640
 south primary arterials in that section planned than we do in the rest of the

00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:53.880
 city so does that can you speak to sort of what what what makes that required as

00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:58.760
 opposed to sort of a secondary arterial or lower I completely support the idea

00:31:58.760 --> 00:32:03.760
 of more connectivity through that area right I'm just wondering whether but what

00:32:03.760 --> 00:32:09.360
 drew the analysis to a primary arterial classification there yeah I think one of

00:32:09.360 --> 00:32:17.000
 the main key things driving that is we have the loop we have mayhill but the

00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:23.040
 amount of traffic and growth on the eastern side of our region and the

00:32:23.040 --> 00:32:29.240
 northeast side of our region traffic coming in from us 380 currently is over

00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:35.200
 is around 30,000 daily trips and that's just gonna keep on increasing and their

00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:41.600
 primary connector or connection is going south along those three corridors to

00:32:41.600 --> 00:32:45.560
 connect to 35 E so there is a lot of flow that we when we're going through

00:32:45.560 --> 00:32:49.400
 the traffic models when we're going through the demand understanding that

00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:53.880
 there that traffic is increasing it's not city traffic it's not local but

00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:59.720
 everyone wants to take 35 you to go to Dallas or further in that south region so

00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:05.280
 that is just planning ahead that yes we don't want that traffic to enter the

00:33:05.280 --> 00:33:10.480
 city go through our streets and create more congestion the further away we can

00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:15.440
 get them remain it remains outside the city and create that direct connection

00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:20.760
 and that that was the only reason that our consultants and and staff felt that

00:33:20.760 --> 00:33:24.840
 there was a need for additional capacity the future the future growth yeah that

00:33:24.840 --> 00:33:28.080
 that really helps because I think what I'm hearing you say correct me if I'm

00:33:28.080 --> 00:33:32.080
 wrong is that some of the growth even outside of the city of Denton to our

00:33:32.080 --> 00:33:37.640
 east and northeast is wanting to go from there to areas just south of Lake

00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:43.880
 Louisville right and for whatever reason the the connectivity is not there to go

00:33:43.880 --> 00:33:47.560
 around an eastward direction so they're choosing to come through the city of

00:33:47.560 --> 00:33:51.840
 Denton and so it's not really driven from the the land use decisions we have

00:33:51.840 --> 00:33:56.480
 in that eastern section it's more driven by the regional traffic patterns outside

00:33:56.480 --> 00:34:00.400
 of the city of Denton right I think if you take the Lake Louisville area there

00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:04.040
 are there is the east side and west side and northern communities that are

00:34:04.040 --> 00:34:09.440
 developing north of us actually break and take two different areas in it kind

00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:13.840
 of lines with that okay connection point thank you that that really clears that

00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:20.280
 up another thing you talked about the context sensitive design I noticed that

00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:24.400
 the roadway classification definition table on page 27 it's kind of that blue

00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:30.840
 and dark blue and light blue table doesn't really highlight that it sort of

00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:34.840
 suggests that there's a fixed speed that these will be designed at in a fixed

00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:41.320
 number of lanes why I guess yeah no I think that's a valid point that that

00:34:41.320 --> 00:34:47.040
 chart is really kind of that guide of typical situations obviously as each

00:34:47.040 --> 00:34:52.700
 roadway is developed and designed then you know those are opportunities to look

00:34:52.700 --> 00:34:57.280
 at is this truly the design speed is this truly the you know six lane

00:34:57.280 --> 00:35:01.520
 primary arterial etc so those are really the guidance documents that are in

00:35:01.520 --> 00:35:05.800
 alignment that chart is I think you're referring to the chart I don't have the

00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:10.120
 page numbers memorized but I've got the document memorized pretty good but I

00:35:10.120 --> 00:35:13.360
 think if you're talking about that chart you know really honestly that is an

00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:17.920
 alignment with what the standards show but we understand that there is

00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:22.920
 obviously as we come through the design process that's where we have the leniency

00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:27.240
 to work through that process and review those specifically to that context

00:35:27.240 --> 00:35:31.520
 sensitive design or what's in that area so that's really kind of the starting

00:35:31.520 --> 00:35:36.820
 point but we know that those are things that will be reviewed as they come

00:35:36.820 --> 00:35:41.620
 through the process and all of the communication and and further discussion

00:35:41.620 --> 00:35:46.280
 that we've had I get that message it's just when I look at that chart I I

00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:50.400
 scratched my head because it doesn't seem consistent so you know I don't I

00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:55.240
 just don't know who that chart is trying to communicate to right if it's if it's

00:35:55.240 --> 00:35:59.360
 trying to communicate that hey we have these different classifications of

00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:04.040
 roadways and here are their purposes then I don't really know that the right

00:36:04.040 --> 00:36:10.200
 three columns there that deal with sorry with the number of lanes and the target

00:36:10.200 --> 00:36:17.900
 speed and the volume capacity really is necessary if that will we have some

00:36:17.900 --> 00:36:21.720
 pretty good descriptions of kind of who owns them and what their purpose is and

00:36:21.720 --> 00:36:26.360
 then maybe the the more detailed plans could get into that I just want to avoid

00:36:26.360 --> 00:36:33.760
 a situation where we get used to well here's what the plan says so you know

00:36:33.760 --> 00:36:37.080
 we're all behind on projects and then we'll just do it that way instead of

00:36:37.080 --> 00:36:42.160
 taking the time to look at that context does that make sense it does but I will

00:36:42.160 --> 00:36:48.160
 tell you that a traffic impact analysis has to be performed which will allow for

00:36:48.160 --> 00:36:52.080
 that type of information to come forward through the design process I realize

00:36:52.080 --> 00:36:55.820
 it's very cookie cutter I guess is what you would maybe describe it as and cut

00:36:55.820 --> 00:36:59.960
 and dry it does align with the design standards I think there may be some

00:36:59.960 --> 00:37:02.800
 additional verbiage and I appreciate you bringing it up that we could help

00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:06.760
 explain that you know these are the typical parameters but they're based on

00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:11.380
 you know actual design through these steps in these processes to help kind of

00:37:11.380 --> 00:37:18.840
 explain that maybe this is the first the first guide that's to be used as really

00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:23.360
 kind of that standard but it's specific to that that context sensitive design

00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:28.320
 that we discussed so that's easy to update to add some additional

00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:32.780
 information to make sure that everybody doesn't see a primary material is always

00:37:32.780 --> 00:37:37.240
 six lanes it's always going to be X Y or Z and and I'll tell you even within our

00:37:37.240 --> 00:37:43.880
 design standard details you'll see modified primary arterial versus primary

00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:49.160
 arterial they don't all align so you know that's really kind of just that first

00:37:49.160 --> 00:37:55.760
 that first guide so that's a pretty simple thing to add to the plan to to

00:37:55.760 --> 00:37:59.520
 maybe better describe what the purpose of that chart is and and again I really

00:37:59.520 --> 00:38:03.840
 don't know who it's trying to communicate what to just just maybe we

00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:06.740
 should think through that and make sure it's not overly prescriptive sure

00:38:06.740 --> 00:38:10.240
 Commissioner Prude if I could interrupt I mean I think it's working as just a

00:38:10.240 --> 00:38:14.120
 definition page isn't it I mean it's really just trying to give a standard

00:38:14.120 --> 00:38:19.140
 definition I believe right it's exactly yeah I just like we have in a lot you

00:38:19.140 --> 00:38:24.600
 know it's just a it's just defining that road classification I think to some

00:38:24.600 --> 00:38:30.040
 general criteria correct right absolutely and it aligns with those

00:38:30.040 --> 00:38:36.600
 standard details so you're spot-on that's the purpose of it and and I know

00:38:36.600 --> 00:38:43.160
 what I guess I'm hearing is is you know it's not as it's too detailed to the

00:38:43.160 --> 00:38:46.720
 point where it's cookie cutter but but the purpose is exactly what you've

00:38:46.720 --> 00:38:53.160
 described so maybe the the idea here is to add you know a couple of additional

00:38:53.160 --> 00:38:56.480
 sentences to say that you know these align with the standard details but each

00:38:56.480 --> 00:39:00.440
 project will be designed you know specific to the context sensitive

00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:05.680
 design in that area type situation that will help explain to your point not

00:39:05.680 --> 00:39:09.800
 every single primary arterial is going to be six lines right but it still meets

00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:14.480
 the intent so yes you're absolutely correct okay yeah sorry thank you no no

00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:20.720
 thank you for that so the next one I have a question that we often see on the

00:39:20.720 --> 00:39:24.960
 Commission and I just saw a statement and one of the strategies that I was

00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:28.080
 confused by because I didn't think we had that ability from a planning

00:39:28.080 --> 00:39:33.400
 perspective to control this so strategy 5-4 says maintain balance between land

00:39:33.400 --> 00:39:38.680
 use and circulation systems by phasing new developments to levels that can be

00:39:38.680 --> 00:39:43.160
 accommodated by roadways existing or planned to exist at the time of

00:39:43.160 --> 00:39:49.660
 completion of each phase of the project so maybe I'm just still confused but my

00:39:49.660 --> 00:39:55.640
 understanding was that when we see a subdivision application or a plat it's

00:39:55.640 --> 00:39:59.960
 judged based on whether the roadways within the geographical bounds of that

00:39:59.960 --> 00:40:08.360
 application are in conformance to our plans essentially and it doesn't take

00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:13.560
 into account the mobility connections to get from the rest of the city to that

00:40:13.560 --> 00:40:20.200
 development so I guess my question is is is that action or sorry strategy sorry

00:40:20.200 --> 00:40:26.480
 trying to align to the right terms here is that strategy sort of enforceable and

00:40:26.480 --> 00:40:30.740
 how do we actually see that when we see applications going forward so I think

00:40:30.740 --> 00:40:34.480
 with this goal we're trying to cover every aspect of it to give you a quick

00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:39.660
 example that particular strategy strategy if a developer comes in and say

00:40:39.660 --> 00:40:43.800
 it's on McKinney and it's already a four lane or six and whatever highway it is

00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:49.200
 and that developer is producing traffic that would require widening and going

00:40:49.200 --> 00:40:53.600
 beyond what's currently in there that's what the strategy covers is yes we'll

00:40:53.600 --> 00:40:58.440
 look at our infrastructure and see is it even a feasible development when it's

00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:02.600
 coming in with the intensity and if it's not then what are the other options what

00:41:02.600 --> 00:41:05.960
 are the other modes of transportation that it needs to look at within that

00:41:05.960 --> 00:41:10.500
 existing framework so that's why there are some some instances where that may

00:41:10.500 --> 00:41:14.040
 happen that there is a developer that comes in and the infrastructure needs to

00:41:14.040 --> 00:41:17.720
 be just blown up around it like the intersection needs to be widened to dual

00:41:17.720 --> 00:41:21.800
 lefts and triple lefts and so on and so forth so when we're looking that context

00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:26.660
 that's particular that's the goal that would help us guide them in the right

00:41:26.660 --> 00:41:32.720
 direction it's in developed areas there we have all kinds of areas throughout the

00:41:32.720 --> 00:41:38.680
 city and I think if Tina has something to add but we have to work with the land

00:41:38.680 --> 00:41:43.200
 use and it works hand-in-hand and when a developer comes in definitely that they

00:41:43.200 --> 00:41:47.360
 do the traffic impact studies and that's when we find out that if it's going to

00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:51.040
 impact the infrastructure the point where currently it's at a certain

00:41:51.040 --> 00:41:56.040
 classification and needs to be widened or need additional lanes in this area is

00:41:56.040 --> 00:42:01.400
 it something that the city's okay to do or is it something that will come in

00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:04.840
 front of the Commission saying well you know their impacts are so high that

00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:09.360
 this intensity is not acceptable so we don't recommend at this point but with

00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:14.240
 a lower intensity we'll come back and it fits our overall map okay so so I think

00:42:14.240 --> 00:42:20.560
 what I'm hearing is that most of the examples we've seen have have not been

00:42:20.560 --> 00:42:25.160
 recommended to deny it based on that but if we had an application that was so

00:42:25.160 --> 00:42:28.920
 egregious that you know we were trying to get 40,000 cars through a two-lane

00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:33.500
 road to get there and it just wouldn't work then then that would be something

00:42:33.500 --> 00:42:37.320
 that that staff would look at and say that this isn't gonna work correct okay

00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:52.240
 thank you that that helps sorry okay the this might be a wording thing but

00:42:52.240 --> 00:42:59.200
 strategy 112 if I'm interpreting it right it seems to exemplify some of my

00:42:59.200 --> 00:43:03.460
 concerns when we talk about vision zero but then we also talk about how does

00:43:03.460 --> 00:43:08.480
 that work when we get to a specific application of it so that that strategy

00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:11.960
 says prioritize intersection improvements which improve through

00:43:11.960 --> 00:43:16.900
 traffic flow on major primary and secondary arterials which is great we

00:43:16.900 --> 00:43:21.920
 want that right and then also reduce impacts on local neighborhood streets

00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:30.800
 with emphasis on pedestrian and bicycle safety so I guess maybe I'm just

00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:35.680
 confused by the intent of that because when I read that that sort of

00:43:35.680 --> 00:43:40.880
 juxtaposes these two ideas one we're gonna improve arterials to move cars

00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:46.320
 right which we need to do and then secondly we're going to you know care

00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:54.420
 about safety of non motorized users along in a local road context and and to

00:43:54.420 --> 00:43:59.560
 me that means but once you get to this arterial okay you're done we're we're

00:43:59.560 --> 00:44:04.240
 we're prioritizing the traffic flow am I interpreting that statement

00:44:04.240 --> 00:44:10.400
 incorrectly I don't think it's ever our intention to say that pedestrians and

00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:15.720
 bicyclists are not going to have ability to move throughout a primary or

00:44:15.720 --> 00:44:23.440
 secondary arterial I think to your point if that goal you feel like is

00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:26.880
 contradicting then there may be some ways that we could either reword it or

00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:33.680
 separate it into two goals but it's not the intention of making an intersection

00:44:33.680 --> 00:44:38.520
 not safe because we're trying to move cars through a primary or secondary

00:44:38.520 --> 00:44:43.240
 arterial that's fine and like I said maybe I'm just interpreting it wrong but

00:44:43.240 --> 00:44:46.240
 but that was one of the thoughts I had when I when I saw that one no I

00:44:46.240 --> 00:44:51.220
 appreciate the comment and then I think I had a couple more specific questions

00:44:51.220 --> 00:44:59.280
 about the the bike map and the primary bike network and and I'm not really sure

00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:04.520
 whether we're at the point yet with these maps that we can dig into them I

00:45:04.520 --> 00:45:11.320
 just I saw a few inconsistencies between what's on the ground and what's shown in

00:45:11.320 --> 00:45:15.800
 the maps and then I when I'm looking at the future plan I was confused by some

00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:20.760
 of the color coding can you just explain what what the process is and how we get

00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:25.640
 from here to adoption to clarify some of those things okay good morning

00:45:25.640 --> 00:45:34.000
 everybody so some of the inconsistencies you're seeing I would say this process

00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:37.720
 has been going on for a while so first there are some inconsistencies with

00:45:37.720 --> 00:45:41.680
 projects that have delivered that our consultant is not aware of because they

00:45:41.680 --> 00:45:47.120
 were working on this you know 18 months ago something like that in terms of how

00:45:47.120 --> 00:45:53.560
 we get to where we want to be I think this you know we've we focused a bit in

00:45:53.560 --> 00:45:59.040
 this presentation today about how this is a forward-looking sort of a document

00:45:59.040 --> 00:46:05.040
 and in the background I'm working on plans that to the best of my ability

00:46:05.040 --> 00:46:10.280
 we're incorporating that you know that information into the mapping that's in

00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:13.900
 this plan but ultimately there's going to be some reconciliation that happens

00:46:13.900 --> 00:46:19.020
 after adoption of like projects that are in our CIP are not going to be reflected

00:46:19.020 --> 00:46:23.720
 in these maps that's you know so I would say first on the issue of the existing

00:46:23.720 --> 00:46:28.520
 mapping that's inconsistent to the degree that we can provide detailed

00:46:28.520 --> 00:46:33.480
 comments to our consultant and have them make corrections to the mapping that's a

00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:37.880
 great opportunity for us to to make those changes before the city receives

00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:41.520
 that information and we put it on to city servers because right now they're

00:46:41.520 --> 00:46:44.240
 hosting all of that information so that'll be a great opportunity and the

00:46:44.240 --> 00:46:48.920
 more detailed feedback you or others can provide either through our comment forms

00:46:48.920 --> 00:46:53.240
 or directly emailing to that to us we'll pass that along and make sure it's it's

00:46:53.240 --> 00:47:00.120
 captured in there I'm not looking back at the existing mapping to talk about

00:47:00.120 --> 00:47:04.400
 kind of how we're delivering the future vision I'm not looking back at what the

00:47:04.400 --> 00:47:09.600
 existing map tells me and limiting the recommendations that we're making from a

00:47:09.600 --> 00:47:13.400
 bicycle connectivity perspective based on the existing network that's there

00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:19.080
 today so the CIP that I put together for this year is a very aggressive approach

00:47:19.080 --> 00:47:24.000
 to looking at the entire network in the downtown area so you know trying to

00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:29.000
 explore what are some of our opportunities developing sort of a grand

00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:32.240
 vision I guess if you will of what would a complete and connected network around

00:47:32.240 --> 00:47:36.560
 downtown look like because we really need to branch and radiate out from the

00:47:36.560 --> 00:47:40.480
 center of town that's where the majority of our assets and our users are located

00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:45.000
 and then we can start working our way into areas kind of outside the loop if I

00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:51.120
 could use that term so I would say a lot of my focus there is is actually in the

00:47:51.120 --> 00:47:57.240
 CIP itself which will help us update the mapping hopefully with kind of a better

00:47:57.240 --> 00:48:01.760
 vision of the direction we're headed if that answers your question it does thank

00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:06.760
 you I think you know we've seen that with with the way staff has been handling

00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:12.080
 the flume and and the the thoroughfare portion of the mobility plan to sort of

00:48:12.080 --> 00:48:16.320
 periodically update that as new information comes along and I'm yeah I

00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:22.960
 think that's a great great tact I guess my only feedback was let's let's make

00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:28.560
 sure there's no just simple oopses on the consultant side on their GIS system

00:48:28.560 --> 00:48:34.000
 because you know some of the the legend entries just don't seem to match up with

00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:37.120
 what would make sense for the map so I wonder whether there's just a color

00:48:37.120 --> 00:48:44.040
 coding issue or something yeah there so GIS as you have to format things

00:48:44.040 --> 00:48:47.320
 correctly to get them to represent the way they're supposed to one of the

00:48:47.320 --> 00:48:52.520
 biggest changes this may help explain actually because I didn't share this in

00:48:52.520 --> 00:48:57.200
 our feedback to your comments but one of the big challenges I had when I

00:48:57.200 --> 00:49:01.680
 initially looked at our mapping was that it showed everything on-street as just

00:49:01.680 --> 00:49:05.680
 kind of on-street and I didn't really have an appreciation for what that meant

00:49:05.680 --> 00:49:09.640
 because it's an on-street shared street or it's an on-street bike lane there's a

00:49:09.640 --> 00:49:14.640
 very big difference what those two facilities mean as bicyclists if I'm

00:49:14.640 --> 00:49:19.360
 sharing the street with cars versus if I have a designated space so that was a

00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:23.280
 big change that that our consultant recently made and that really impacts

00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:28.760
 how the how the mapping at least for existing is visualized yeah because

00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:34.320
 there what was showing up for our Hickory Street separated bike lane was

00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:39.760
 the same as what showed up for a shared street like a Congress so I think a lot

00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:44.280
 of the changes or a lot of the challenges you're seeing in in actually

00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:48.120
 understanding what's in the map was based on that change okay and so there

00:49:48.120 --> 00:49:51.800
 are some additional tweaks that need to be made now that that update was made

00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:55.920
 which actually happened just before the holidays so we haven't even really had

00:49:55.920 --> 00:50:00.400
 an opportunity ourselves as staff to assess that change and how it influenced

00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:04.680
 the mapping and then Susie Rimmer also reached out to share that the online map

00:50:04.680 --> 00:50:09.640
 all the lines are dashed so it's you know if you review the online map it

00:50:09.640 --> 00:50:12.880
 would be really difficult to understand what's existing what's proposed so that's

00:50:12.880 --> 00:50:16.800
 another nuance of how the data is formatted so we're in the process we'll

00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:22.640
 get there eventually understand thank you and then I guess I have a few

00:50:22.640 --> 00:50:28.480
 questions probably for pre tam and as I go through these I I really want to

00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:37.240
 emphasize that I'm really trying to not be prescriptive about solutions I'm

00:50:37.240 --> 00:50:45.120
 trying to explain what challenges I see and what trade-offs I see that we we

00:50:45.120 --> 00:50:51.360
 might need to understand a little bit more okay and the reason I say that and

00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:54.840
 preface this is that this has to do with maybe some of the comments that you've

00:50:54.840 --> 00:50:58.400
 received from from council about you know what is the trade-off between

00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:06.720
 different roadway classifications and can you do this and that so I guess

00:51:06.720 --> 00:51:14.240
 functionally right I see that in this plan we kind of went away from drawing

00:51:14.240 --> 00:51:21.440
 the collector lines in areas that were not yet developed and so when I look at

00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:25.000
 that map I say okay that that means we're trying to provide more flexibility

00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:31.800
 but it also means that I'm not sure what our desire is going forward for how

00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:35.520
 frequent those collector roadways should be in those outlying areas can you

00:51:35.520 --> 00:51:41.680
 explain how you make that determination yeah I think we've talked internally

00:51:41.680 --> 00:51:47.240
 about that and yes we're gonna work as developers come in but the primary

00:51:47.240 --> 00:51:53.160
 intention was to get in with when we have these small area plans I believe

00:51:53.160 --> 00:51:58.440
 we're getting some direction from council and PNZ members as well to move

00:51:58.440 --> 00:52:02.760
 into the next phase which is really focusing on the areas that are green

00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:07.960
 filled and that need to be looked at more and plan more and get into those

00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:11.520
 areas because internal within the city we already have everything planned out

00:52:11.520 --> 00:52:15.880
 it's already laid out we have the collector system in there but externally

00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:21.080
 some of these areas that have been identified do require a little bit

00:52:21.080 --> 00:52:25.960
 looking into it so as part of those small area plans then we'll get into the

00:52:25.960 --> 00:52:30.960
 details where we actually look at what is the spacing what are the distances do

00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:34.920
 we need more collectors and and that that's the plan and those small area

00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:41.480
 plans will then be fed into this larger comprehensive and if it's an area that

00:52:41.480 --> 00:52:45.520
 doesn't necessarily have a small area plan that would just be determined by

00:52:45.520 --> 00:52:50.760
 staff at the application time correct and we'll look at the entire area and

00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:56.080
 say that yes and there is also a note within the map itself that says that we

00:52:56.080 --> 00:53:01.960
 will determine provide some flexibility okay to define those and and I guess you

00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:06.840
 know looking at the distribution of the different types of roadways we have one

00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:12.720
 of the responses I saw was that the the suggested plan with these distributions

00:53:12.720 --> 00:53:19.840
 was most optimal right and and I guess my question is what does that optimize

00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:26.560
 for right what combination of say travel speed or cost or safety or volume of

00:53:26.560 --> 00:53:31.880
 moving cars you know how does it prioritize those things or others to to

00:53:31.880 --> 00:53:35.400
 say that this is optimal I realize that's a simple question to a very

00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:42.200
 complex problem it has a lot of moving parts but to simply answer your question

00:53:42.200 --> 00:53:48.600
 it is looking at the future capacity need of the system and when we say

00:53:48.600 --> 00:53:54.200
 capacity and context-sensitive design what we're talking is moving people at

00:53:54.200 --> 00:53:58.360
 the end of the day it's not necessarily autos on the street and so on so forth

00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:02.240
 so when we say that we have we need to require that much right of way or that

00:54:02.240 --> 00:54:07.840
 might win then we can define that public space in a different type of environment

00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:14.400
 depending on the context and it is purely capacity based okay no that helps

00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:21.040
 and then I guess when you were explaining that you were explaining that

00:54:21.040 --> 00:54:26.200
 having multiple lower classifications of roadways can create a safety problem

00:54:26.200 --> 00:54:33.280
 right which is certainly a concern if if the multiple lower classifications are

00:54:33.280 --> 00:54:41.240
 used to replace a smaller number of higher classifications is that because

00:54:41.240 --> 00:54:46.880
 of only the volume of cars or is it because of the speed of cars what what

00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:52.920
 creates that safety problem it's a couple of things so when we're looking at

00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:58.640
 safety we're primarily focused on nodes if you may if you look at crash data

00:54:58.640 --> 00:55:03.800
 it's more on the intersections that you have a lot of crashes that are fatal or

00:55:03.800 --> 00:55:09.840
 incapacitating and so on so forth so when when we were talking about less

00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:15.480
 designated roadways they have more access points so there is more chances of

00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:20.120
 people are getting in and out of these access points and and when you have a

00:55:20.120 --> 00:55:25.480
 larger designated functional system being replaced by these now you have

00:55:25.480 --> 00:55:31.640
 higher volume so that's another key component that function into it and then

00:55:31.640 --> 00:55:36.800
 third thing is people its behavior I mean people do get frustrated they will

00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:40.180
 find with all these new different softwares and apps they'll find the

00:55:40.180 --> 00:55:46.520
 shortest route so they will not only try and get into the smaller and smaller

00:55:46.520 --> 00:55:52.160
 denomination streets but try and make up for that time so you cannot control human

00:55:52.160 --> 00:55:56.560
 behavior it's like if I have to get to work at eight o'clock in the morning and

00:55:56.560 --> 00:56:01.200
 I am ten minutes behind today on my schedule I'm going to make it up even if

00:56:01.200 --> 00:56:05.640
 it's a neighborhood street even if it's a local street so that's that's where now

00:56:05.640 --> 00:56:10.400
 you're creating now you're putting that person and that one driver is creating

00:56:10.400 --> 00:56:16.020
 unsafe situation for many people leaving their homes even so that's where the

00:56:16.020 --> 00:56:22.020
 whole discussion of do we provide and allocate a space for people that want to

00:56:22.020 --> 00:56:27.640
 move from point A to point B or do we create a space that everyone uses for all

00:56:27.640 --> 00:56:32.760
 these different needs and that's that was the whole okay no that really helps

00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:39.840
 thank you I appreciate that to just sort of understand what the concerns are I

00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:46.160
 guess in in that topology one one more question and then just some closing

00:56:46.160 --> 00:56:52.920
 thoughts on this issue I've never been fully clear when we do our sort of

00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:57.880
 subdivision design for new applications that come before us can

00:56:57.880 --> 00:57:06.880
 we is it allowable from an engineering and legal perspective to design some of

00:57:06.880 --> 00:57:12.880
 those internal roadways to a speed lower than the 30 miles per hour prima facie

00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:18.760
 speed independent of the the speed limit that would be enforceable and and legal

00:57:18.760 --> 00:57:23.120
 within that area yeah we're having multiple discussions about this and I

00:57:23.120 --> 00:57:28.720
 think Nate and our team internal team has had multiple discussions there are

00:57:28.720 --> 00:57:35.240
 still several statutes that restrict us state statutes and there's some that

00:57:35.240 --> 00:57:39.920
 contradict each other so we are working through that one of the things that

00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:44.560
 other cities are doing are they're passing ordinances and posting speed

00:57:44.560 --> 00:57:48.320
 limit signs that are lower than 30 miles an hour I believe Flower Mound

00:57:48.320 --> 00:57:52.080
 recently part of passed an ordinance for some of the residential streets to be

00:57:52.080 --> 00:57:56.560
 downgraded so there are avenues and options that other cities are explored

00:57:56.560 --> 00:58:01.760
 exploring but we haven't sat down with our legal counsel yet and discussed

00:58:01.760 --> 00:58:07.440
 this because this is it's very important that we have that legal support as well

00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:12.320
 and legal opinion of how can we move forward in this particular okay no

00:58:12.320 --> 00:58:15.080
 that's encouraging to know that we're working through that so thank you I

00:58:15.080 --> 00:58:20.800
 guess just in in closing I'm sorry I've taken so long but I appreciate the

00:58:20.800 --> 00:58:28.920
 levity I just offer a few thoughts so I completely understand that a large

00:58:28.920 --> 00:58:33.560
 portion of our city is a suburban development pattern and a large portion

00:58:33.560 --> 00:58:39.680
 of that future growth will also be that at the fringe the you know these

00:58:39.680 --> 00:58:44.560
 developments need to be functional for that purpose as they're built I think

00:58:44.560 --> 00:58:50.520
 looking toward future adaptability is is also a benefit to the city long term

00:58:50.520 --> 00:58:58.960
 and I just believe that honestly I think the the right-of-way networks that we

00:58:58.960 --> 00:59:07.800
 create when we do platting have a longer term impact on the land uses that happen

00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:12.960
 in that area then our zoning regulations do right because it really determines

00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:18.240
 what sort of compatible uses can go there and so that's why I think this is

00:59:18.240 --> 00:59:23.000
 really important we have to get it right I also understand that you know we need

00:59:23.000 --> 00:59:28.240
 to preserve future right-of-way and so when we look at outlying areas that have

00:59:28.240 --> 00:59:32.920
 you know arterial designations and that looks scary I understand why it looks

00:59:32.920 --> 00:59:38.760
 scary at the same time you know as we've learned with several of our projects

00:59:38.760 --> 00:59:45.280
 internal to the city going back later and trying to get more right-of-ways is

00:59:45.280 --> 00:59:49.480
 very disruptive to the built environment it's very difficult from a financial

00:59:49.480 --> 00:59:57.080
 perspective so I guess I would say I support creating a map so that we can

00:59:57.080 --> 01:00:03.080
 get that right-of-way and and what I understand is that we our intention is

01:00:03.080 --> 01:00:08.380
 only to build those roadways up to the the width that is necessary for the

01:00:08.380 --> 01:00:15.000
 development at the time and so so I understand that that makes sense I think

01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:19.400
 what I see when I look at this little s-curve of different roadway

01:00:19.400 --> 01:00:25.640
 classifications is that really those primary arterials down at the the bottom

01:00:25.640 --> 01:00:29.280
 right of the graph are essentially our freeways right there are those through

01:00:29.280 --> 01:00:34.560
 streets for resident non-residents even right that are going through the through

01:00:34.560 --> 01:00:39.880
 the city there many of them are grade separated for safety which makes them

01:00:39.880 --> 01:00:46.400
 honestly very expensive but incredibly good at providing that mobility through

01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:51.800
 through the city that that we need to a certain extent because otherwise you know

01:00:51.800 --> 01:00:56.560
 we'd be fighting people going to Oklahoma City in order to get our you

01:00:56.560 --> 01:01:04.120
 know Slurpee at 7-eleven and and I think the concern I hear from residents and

01:01:04.120 --> 01:01:09.280
 some of the comments is really with the roadways kind of in the designation just

01:01:09.280 --> 01:01:14.120
 below that when you look in that that five to seven lane kind of whatever the

01:01:14.120 --> 01:01:17.880
 name of it is right kind of range where you have these these faster roadways

01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:24.200
 with enough lanes that the crossing distances are much further my impression

01:01:24.200 --> 01:01:29.520
 is many people really hate these roads right from all sides of things we either

01:01:29.520 --> 01:01:33.440
 hate the frequent traffic lights that make a stop and wait we've heard that on

01:01:33.440 --> 01:01:38.360
 this commission before or you know we hate the fact that we can't safely

01:01:38.360 --> 01:01:42.640
 change lanes twice or more in order to be able to turn into our destination

01:01:42.640 --> 01:01:46.040
 right I've been in that situation where you have to drive an extra mile to u-turn

01:01:46.040 --> 01:01:54.520
 and get back right or you know we hate that when when they're blocked by

01:01:54.520 --> 01:01:59.040
 traffic or a crash there really aren't any alternate routes that we can easily

01:01:59.040 --> 01:02:06.080
 take and to pretense point then people go on to some routing app and and try to

01:02:06.080 --> 01:02:09.560
 wreak havoc in a neighborhood and find out they can't get through that way and

01:02:09.560 --> 01:02:16.600
 get mad and cause a problem right real problem or or we can be disappointed in

01:02:16.600 --> 01:02:20.840
 them when they tend to isolate our neighborhoods from each other for people

01:02:20.840 --> 01:02:23.520
 who might want to get somewhere without driving it's not the majority of our

01:02:23.520 --> 01:02:38.000
 people right but it is important and so I guess the the my impression is that

01:02:38.000 --> 01:02:44.040
 they're kind of this middle ground where they don't really serve mobility in a

01:02:44.040 --> 01:02:48.600
 great way and they don't serve access in a great way unless you're in a very

01:02:48.600 --> 01:02:54.640
 strict constraint of where you're trying to get to you right they spread out the

01:02:54.640 --> 01:03:01.720
 land uses they you know even if we put really good safe white balk but by

01:03:01.720 --> 01:03:06.440
 blocking and waking sorry biking and walking routes along these roads

01:03:06.440 --> 01:03:11.800
 crossing them is is a huge impediment right I wouldn't send my kids out to

01:03:11.800 --> 01:03:19.600
 cross some of those roads and and so I guess all that just summarized I think I

01:03:19.600 --> 01:03:26.440
 would say that you know as we look at those priorities of cost and safety and

01:03:26.440 --> 01:03:33.360
 traffic volume and speed how do we get people to places my my impression is

01:03:33.360 --> 01:03:43.360
 that I'd like to understand what a network would look like if it were

01:03:43.360 --> 01:03:49.900
 designed to try to allay some of those fears that I described right and and yes

01:03:49.900 --> 01:03:54.320
 it will have trade-offs but I'd like to understand what those trade-offs are and

01:03:54.320 --> 01:04:02.400
 and I'd like to see you know clarity on on whether that's a desired goal or not

01:04:02.400 --> 01:04:08.880
 right I mean I see the those priorities as sort of something that should be

01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:16.400
 coming from the public and from from policy from council really and then you

01:04:16.400 --> 01:04:20.320
 know we definitely need good engineering practice to say okay well with those

01:04:20.320 --> 01:04:27.120
 priorities in this order what does that network look like right does that help

01:04:27.120 --> 01:04:33.960
 sure you know I think it all goes back to this being a plan and this being a

01:04:33.960 --> 01:04:41.000
 guidance document and as the community develops as we see folks going from point

01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:47.360
 a to point B as we see the growth going to the outskirts of the city and let's

01:04:47.360 --> 01:04:51.360
 face it it's not just the outskirts of our city it's now just like you can

01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:55.240
 drive north on 35 and no longer see the difference between going through

01:04:55.240 --> 01:05:00.760
 Lewisville Lake Dallas Corinth you know it all into Denton you can't tell where

01:05:00.760 --> 01:05:04.880
 one city starts and stops that's the same way that the city of Denton is

01:05:04.880 --> 01:05:08.320
 growing there will become a time where you can't tell where singer starts and

01:05:08.320 --> 01:05:12.800
 didn't stops so I think you know really the goal of this overall plan is to make

01:05:12.800 --> 01:05:17.520
 sure that we're providing that accessibility and mobility for the

01:05:17.520 --> 01:05:22.520
 future growth and giving this as a roadmap a guidance document that helps

01:05:22.520 --> 01:05:27.480
 with the the types of projects that come before you and the types of projects

01:05:27.480 --> 01:05:32.400
 that our team delivers through the capital plan so I think it's every

01:05:32.400 --> 01:05:41.560
 engineers desire as they work through a process to design a roadway whether it

01:05:41.560 --> 01:05:47.160
 be primary secondary collector XYZ whatever we want to call them that

01:05:47.160 --> 01:05:50.760
 you're designing it to meet the capacity you're designing it to meet the speed

01:05:50.760 --> 01:05:55.040
 and you're designing it to me that context-sensitive design that that

01:05:55.040 --> 01:05:59.680
 really supports the intent and really working folks to get from wherever they

01:05:59.680 --> 01:06:04.040
 need to go to get out of the city to work or get to their location to take

01:06:04.040 --> 01:06:08.360
 their children to school go to the grocery store etc so I appreciate your

01:06:08.360 --> 01:06:14.080
 comments I like I said I really think that you know a lot of the things that

01:06:14.080 --> 01:06:18.960
 are some of the concerns we're hearing and some of the comments that we're

01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:24.080
 receiving are things that will work themselves out as we work from a plan

01:06:24.080 --> 01:06:28.200
 into a design that's the reason why these types of things are updated every

01:06:28.200 --> 01:06:32.160
 five years we're trying to project a future right now based on the the growth

01:06:32.160 --> 01:06:35.960
 in the population that we know and where we're seeing development but as those

01:06:35.960 --> 01:06:42.160
 things continue we will continue to update this based on truth instead of

01:06:42.160 --> 01:06:47.440
 known statistics and facts yeah and I I really appreciate that just last thing

01:06:47.440 --> 01:06:54.720
 chair sorry the the concern I have is that when we put I know there's lines on

01:06:54.720 --> 01:06:59.160
 a map they can be moved etc but there's some expectation that if we put two

01:06:59.160 --> 01:07:02.640
 lines on a map we actually mean two lines they may move a little bit we may

01:07:02.640 --> 01:07:07.720
 use some context-sensitive design to determine how those facilities will be

01:07:07.720 --> 01:07:15.360
 designed and built but this the stuff in between them we're we're kind of saying

01:07:15.360 --> 01:07:20.080
 well that'll be local roadways right and and so what I'm concerned about is let's

01:07:20.080 --> 01:07:25.400
 let's make sure we're drawing enough lines of you know not overly classifying

01:07:25.400 --> 01:07:30.360
 but not underly classifying so that we have enough right-of-way so that we

01:07:30.360 --> 01:07:35.960
 don't get ourselves in a situation where we would like to design this facility

01:07:35.960 --> 01:07:43.320
 at speed X right because of the context however because this is the only

01:07:43.320 --> 01:07:47.920
 facility within three-quarters of a mile of here and it's providing this crucial

01:07:47.920 --> 01:07:53.600
 mobility connection we feel that to meet the traffic model we have to design it

01:07:53.600 --> 01:07:58.800
 at X plus 10 right sure and then what you have is this conflict behind the

01:07:58.800 --> 01:08:03.840
 desires for that context and what we can actually do because five or ten years

01:08:03.840 --> 01:08:08.360
 ago we only drew one line on the map no I think that makes sense yeah I

01:08:08.360 --> 01:08:13.640
 completely understand that I also understand that just as we've seen from

01:08:13.640 --> 01:08:19.840
 the 2015 to the now 2022 plan roadway classifications have changed based on

01:08:19.840 --> 01:08:24.760
 what's known so you know it's an ever evolving plan the same way that a water

01:08:24.760 --> 01:08:28.080
 or wastewater master plan is going to look at the capacity that's needed for

01:08:28.080 --> 01:08:32.360
 the outs you know outside surrounding areas the same way the comp plan is

01:08:32.360 --> 01:08:36.200
 looking at the land use assumptions based on what we know today we have that

01:08:36.200 --> 01:08:41.320
 opportunity to do those updates so I appreciate that and I appreciate the

01:08:41.320 --> 01:08:46.760
 amount of effort that you took to review and provide us feedback thank you very

01:08:46.760 --> 01:08:50.200
 much for taking that time certainly thank you for all your time and getting

01:08:50.200 --> 01:08:54.200
 this together it's a huge huge effort and it's it's very impressive so thank

01:08:54.200 --> 01:09:01.640
 you no problem sir just doing my job I think what it shows with a lot of your

01:09:01.640 --> 01:09:04.800
 comments in this discussion is I mean this it's complicated right I mean

01:09:04.800 --> 01:09:08.880
 there's a there's so much there's you know obviously the safety factor the

01:09:08.880 --> 01:09:15.520
 multimodal ways that people transport themselves it's got to be an

01:09:15.520 --> 01:09:20.200
 efficient plan I mean there's so much you're dealing with state law so yeah

01:09:20.200 --> 01:09:26.640
 it's this is complex stuff you know and staff I mean you've done a great job you

01:09:26.640 --> 01:09:32.480
 know presenting it to us obviously with the draft I think we can sometimes get

01:09:32.480 --> 01:09:36.000
 caught up in the minutiae of it all as we're dissecting this meeting after

01:09:36.000 --> 01:09:40.440
 meeting so I think we just have to remember what Becky said is that it's a

01:09:40.440 --> 01:09:44.560
 plan and it's a concept and you've got to have one to be able to go forward but

01:09:44.560 --> 01:09:48.920
 as developments come forward that's when we get to the specifics and things get

01:09:48.920 --> 01:09:53.640
 tweaked in even as things are reviewed and and maybe we're living differently

01:09:53.640 --> 01:09:59.760
 in the city that's when things get tweaked so yeah so I mean it's all great

01:09:59.760 --> 01:10:04.120
 discussion but we definitely have to remember that it's a plan that has to be

01:10:04.120 --> 01:10:09.480
 put forth by the experts putting it forth you know and then you know the

01:10:09.480 --> 01:10:15.040
 tweaks and specifics can you know will happen along the way as we've seen I

01:10:15.040 --> 01:10:20.960
 think Commissioner Villarreal has a question is that correct that would be

01:10:20.960 --> 01:10:25.080
 correct thank you madam chair first off thank you all for the presentation and

01:10:25.080 --> 01:10:29.400
 for strengthening the language around the safety goal in the mobility plan you

01:10:29.400 --> 01:10:32.240
 mentioned that we will receive more substantive answers on the Friday

01:10:32.240 --> 01:10:36.960
 report to have solved some of the safety concerns constituents councilmembers and

01:10:36.960 --> 01:10:41.520
 commissioners brought to the city's attention from the macro overarching

01:10:41.520 --> 01:10:47.400
 level what changes can we come to expect I think most of the constituents with

01:10:47.400 --> 01:10:50.840
 concerns would appreciate a more conservative use of primary arterial

01:10:50.840 --> 01:10:56.360
 roads when possible and an overall decrease in speed limits when possible a

01:10:56.360 --> 01:11:00.280
 substantive shift to safety and accessibility especially for pedestrians

01:11:00.280 --> 01:11:05.480
 and cyclists and perhaps a way from flow and mobility would help assuage most of

01:11:05.480 --> 01:11:11.240
 those concerns I would believe sure Commissioner Vero thank you very much

01:11:11.240 --> 01:11:16.720
 for the comment you know as I mentioned before the citywide speed study is

01:11:16.720 --> 01:11:20.640
 something that's ongoing it's going to be very difficult to address speed as a

01:11:20.640 --> 01:11:25.800
 part of this overall mobility plan you know we talked a lot about that chart

01:11:25.800 --> 01:11:31.280
 that showed the different typical design speeds of typical road requests a road

01:11:31.280 --> 01:11:37.320
 way cross-sections that's a mouthful but you know I think as we work through that

01:11:37.320 --> 01:11:40.880
 overall citywide speed study there's going to be a lot of comments that come

01:11:40.880 --> 01:11:45.120
 up we're actually putting some different effort into it that's been done before

01:11:45.120 --> 01:11:51.140
 Nathan has some GIS layers that we're actually using and adding some additional

01:11:51.140 --> 01:11:55.120
 data that we haven't typically done before from my understanding so we're

01:11:55.120 --> 01:12:00.480
 really excited about that process don't be surprised when you start seeing data

01:12:00.480 --> 01:12:06.280
 being collected all over the city we have a lot of collection points as

01:12:06.280 --> 01:12:11.380
 Nathan shakes his head so you know I would tell you that ultimately is the

01:12:11.380 --> 01:12:16.680
 goal of a design professional when they're a transportation engineer when

01:12:16.680 --> 01:12:21.280
 they're designing a roadway to do the accurate study just like text dot does

01:12:21.280 --> 01:12:26.200
 just like the county will do to really look at what does the speed of that

01:12:26.200 --> 01:12:31.360
 roadway need to be so I appreciate that you're gonna hear more speeds going to

01:12:31.360 --> 01:12:35.080
 be a constant conversation from you know the majority of the folks that spoke

01:12:35.080 --> 01:12:42.000
 today as we work through those next steps and you know I would say everything

01:12:42.000 --> 01:12:48.680
 that we do we do the best that we can to provide a safe environment for folks to

01:12:48.680 --> 01:12:53.880
 walk bike or you know drive their cars that's our goal that's our goal as a

01:12:53.880 --> 01:12:57.840
 city is to protect the citizens it's my goal as a professional engineer to

01:12:57.840 --> 01:13:03.080
 protect the public safety health and welfare I take that ethics and actually

01:13:03.080 --> 01:13:07.920
 do ethics credit every year to make sure that I understand my ethics so you know

01:13:07.920 --> 01:13:12.120
 I would just say in general a lot of that is is relied on the profession to

01:13:12.120 --> 01:13:16.840
 make sure that we're making those best decisions I do appreciate the comments

01:13:16.840 --> 01:13:21.880
 and I think what you can expect like I said not only from the citywide speed

01:13:21.880 --> 01:13:26.480
 study I think you can also expect from the language just in the mobility plan

01:13:26.480 --> 01:13:31.840
 like I mentioned more aggressive proactive terminology specifically

01:13:31.840 --> 01:13:37.320
 related to safety versus the terminology that and wording that's currently in

01:13:37.320 --> 01:13:44.240
 there what we heard yesterday is it was more reactive or not as aggressive as

01:13:44.240 --> 01:13:49.160
 what the wording could be to help individuals when they read the plan as

01:13:49.160 --> 01:13:52.560
 they develop within the city to understand how important safety is to

01:13:52.560 --> 01:14:02.280
 the city of Den appreciate the answer thank you no problem sir anything else

01:14:02.280 --> 01:14:07.480
 Becky thank you do you and your team so much time has has been given this and

01:14:07.480 --> 01:14:12.760
 and to help us understand and and make this city better so look forward to

01:14:12.760 --> 01:14:16.480
 this continuing to move forward thank you thank you very much we'll see you

01:14:16.480 --> 01:14:21.840
 Monday absolutely sounds good how about we take a quick break before we move into

01:14:21.840 --> 01:14:27.600
 the comp plan why don't we go ahead and adjourn here at 1116 return in ten

01:14:27.600 --> 01:14:35.160
 minutes thanks hello and welcome back to the Planning and Zoning Commission work

01:14:35.160 --> 01:14:41.200
 session for February 9th I'll call us back to order at 1135 a.m. we will move

01:14:41.200 --> 01:14:46.120
 on to our second work session report which is receive a report hold a

01:14:46.120 --> 01:14:50.640
 discussion and give staff direction regarding the Denton 2040 comp plan

01:14:50.640 --> 01:14:57.480
 update and I believe Tina will be presenting hi Commissioner Ellis and hi

01:14:57.480 --> 01:15:02.200
 Commission well thank you for joining us this morning I know you all have busy

01:15:02.200 --> 01:15:07.600
 schedules and so we greatly appreciate you taking time out to to discuss not

01:15:07.600 --> 01:15:11.000
 only the mobility plan which we just had some really good discussion but also to

01:15:11.000 --> 01:15:16.760
 talk about the comprehensive plan before I get started with our presentation just

01:15:16.760 --> 01:15:21.280
 wanted to address one particular item and that is you're probably wondering you

01:15:21.280 --> 01:15:24.800
 know given all the conversation we had with City Council yesterday and now

01:15:24.800 --> 01:15:28.040
 we've got our Planning and Zoning Commission meeting why are we might be

01:15:28.040 --> 01:15:31.800
 why we might be having these discussions right and so it's really important that

01:15:31.800 --> 01:15:34.880
 we continue to have have the conversations with Council but also the

01:15:34.880 --> 01:15:39.120
 Planning and Zoning Commission because while Council may have given us direction

01:15:39.120 --> 01:15:42.480
 on certain items you know we can share that with you as the Planning and Zoning

01:15:42.480 --> 01:15:48.160
 Commission and see if you concur or if you disagree on on a particular path that

01:15:48.160 --> 01:15:52.680
 worked that we're taking and then so that will help us formulate our

01:15:52.680 --> 01:15:57.480
 discussion on Monday when we have the joint meeting if we have items where we

01:15:57.480 --> 01:16:01.000
 where we're not in sync with each other then it's important that we try to work

01:16:01.000 --> 01:16:06.520
 through those issues before we move into the public hearing phase and so you know

01:16:06.520 --> 01:16:10.360
 given the direction that we've received from Council yesterday we'll share that

01:16:10.360 --> 01:16:13.480
 where we can throughout this presentation there's some additional work

01:16:13.480 --> 01:16:16.760
 that we're having to prepare for or some additional responses that we're having

01:16:16.760 --> 01:16:20.760
 to prepare for the the meeting on Monday but definitely want to hear where the

01:16:20.760 --> 01:16:23.560
 Planning and Zoning Commission's head is at right so it's important that we get

01:16:23.560 --> 01:16:26.800
 your direction because you're two independent bodies the council

01:16:26.800 --> 01:16:30.680
 obviously looks to the Commission for recommendation on on all things planning

01:16:30.680 --> 01:16:35.320
 related so please don't feel like that you're having to be tempered as a result

01:16:35.320 --> 01:16:39.160
 of the direction received if you think that we should consider an alternate

01:16:39.160 --> 01:16:43.040
 direction then by all means I would love to hear that so that again we can tee up

01:16:43.040 --> 01:16:48.000
 that discussion for Monday before I get fully into this presentation you

01:16:48.000 --> 01:16:51.240
 probably should see a friendly face on the zoom screen with me that's Ed Boyk

01:16:51.240 --> 01:16:55.880
 from Matrix Design Group he and I will be doing a joint presentation this

01:16:55.880 --> 01:16:59.160
 afternoon and Ed will be sharing the presentation slide since the bulk of the

01:16:59.160 --> 01:17:03.520
 presentation is with him we also have Ron Mangida on our team Ron should be

01:17:03.520 --> 01:17:08.800
 there in the council chambers and so our resident expert as well of all things

01:17:08.800 --> 01:17:14.240
 Denton and especially our long-range planning history and then one other item

01:17:14.240 --> 01:17:18.940
 to note is for your benefit and I know you're eating lunch right now but if you

01:17:18.940 --> 01:17:22.560
 find that we need to take a break in between sessions or discussion items

01:17:22.560 --> 01:17:27.560
 please let me know this is an aggressive presentation and discussion that needs

01:17:27.560 --> 01:17:31.040
 to take place our goal is to try and get you out as close to two o'clock as

01:17:31.040 --> 01:17:34.560
 possible so hence why we were trying to make sure we had about two and a half

01:17:34.560 --> 01:17:38.520
 hours of discussion for the for the the comprehensive plan but the way our

01:17:38.520 --> 01:17:44.240
 presentation is structured is that we we will present a topic and then take have

01:17:44.240 --> 01:17:47.040
 an opportunity for discussion and direction before we move on to the next

01:17:47.040 --> 01:17:52.640
 topic so with that let's go ahead and get fully started as we've been talking

01:17:52.640 --> 01:17:56.120
 about in the past and I know we've had the opportunity to have discussion I

01:17:56.120 --> 01:17:59.840
 believe it was on January 12th in addition to we've had more recent

01:17:59.840 --> 01:18:04.240
 discussion on January 2016 about the comprehensive plan and in the work that

01:18:04.240 --> 01:18:08.960
 we're doing as we've communicated in the past this truly is an update to our

01:18:08.960 --> 01:18:14.680
 comprehensive plan it's a review and an update of our vision our goals policies

01:18:14.680 --> 01:18:20.280
 and action items to assess their relevancy with conditions today when we

01:18:20.280 --> 01:18:24.600
 did the 2030 plan that was an extensive complete rewrite of the city's

01:18:24.600 --> 01:18:28.880
 comprehensive plan and so and at that time it had been at least 15 years since

01:18:28.880 --> 01:18:32.080
 the conference of plan has been updated here we're in a different situation

01:18:32.080 --> 01:18:37.600
 where we have the the plan that was adopted of circa 2015 we've started this

01:18:37.600 --> 01:18:41.480
 update process around the onset of the pandemic and so hence why we're

01:18:41.480 --> 01:18:45.280
 reviewing this document more from that update perspective that's how this

01:18:45.280 --> 01:18:48.860
 project was originally scoped at the onset and the budget provided for it

01:18:48.860 --> 01:18:53.180
 accordingly so hence why it's a continued conversation about the

01:18:53.180 --> 01:18:57.160
 relevancy of the city's existing vision statement that's within our plan our

01:18:57.160 --> 01:19:01.920
 goals policies and action items but then also identifying where we may need to

01:19:01.920 --> 01:19:07.760
 have some refinements that are made next slide please so the feedback that we

01:19:07.760 --> 01:19:11.280
 have received so far from the planning and zoning Commission the City Council

01:19:11.280 --> 01:19:15.920
 as well as the community itself has been extensive and based upon that feedback

01:19:15.920 --> 01:19:20.400
 that we have received we have structured our conversation today and in this

01:19:20.400 --> 01:19:24.940
 presentation based upon the one central common theme that keeps rising to the

01:19:24.940 --> 01:19:29.320
 top and that is how do we best manage the growth for Denton and then exactly

01:19:29.320 --> 01:19:34.200
 what does that translate to for us additionally this has been an extensive

01:19:34.200 --> 01:19:37.600
 coordinated effort with Gary Packen and the parks and

01:19:37.600 --> 01:19:41.680
 recreation team as you're well aware of they've been working on the updates to

01:19:41.680 --> 01:19:46.040
 their parks master plan and additionally this has been an extensive coordinated

01:19:46.040 --> 01:19:50.600
 effort with Becky Davini and her team in engineering with respect to the mobility

01:19:50.600 --> 01:19:55.200
 plan and also pre-TAM on our planning team as well but I can assure you this

01:19:55.200 --> 01:19:59.440
 this has been extensive coordination between these two groups as well as any

01:19:59.440 --> 01:20:02.560
 other policies that we have adopted for the city but knowing that we're in the

01:20:02.560 --> 01:20:06.200
 process of updating the comprehensive plan the mobility palette plan and the

01:20:06.200 --> 01:20:10.960
 parks and recreation master plan it was essential that we are all coordinating

01:20:10.960 --> 01:20:14.600
 with each other in adopting policies that support each other and are not

01:20:14.600 --> 01:20:20.320
 necessarily in direct conflict so before I get into the rest of this

01:20:20.320 --> 01:20:24.800
 agenda slide couple would like to just set a few ground rules if we could this

01:20:24.800 --> 01:20:28.920
 proved to be very beneficial with City Council yesterday and not trying to take

01:20:28.920 --> 01:20:32.520
 over your your role as chair Commissioner Ellis but what we found that

01:20:32.520 --> 01:20:35.840
 worked out well with the City Council in order for us to be able to get the

01:20:35.840 --> 01:20:40.280
 direction that we that we need and to be able to move forward given given all the

01:20:40.280 --> 01:20:44.120
 topics that we need to cover so the first item would be is we need clear

01:20:44.120 --> 01:20:48.560
 concise direction today and yes Commissioner Prude I'm looking at you so

01:20:48.560 --> 01:20:54.200
 from across the land but it's it's important that we get that clear concise

01:20:54.200 --> 01:20:57.920
 direction we are trying to get this project across the finish line for March

01:20:57.920 --> 01:21:02.360
 1st and we're gonna be moving into the public hearing adoption phase with the

01:21:02.360 --> 01:21:05.440
 planning and zoning Commission having their first public hearing on February

01:21:05.440 --> 01:21:09.800
 23rd and then providing presumably get a recommendation on the Commission then we

01:21:09.800 --> 01:21:13.520
 have this slated for City Council on March 1st we have additional work that

01:21:13.520 --> 01:21:17.280
 we need to get underway and get accomplished but we can't do it until we

01:21:17.280 --> 01:21:20.760
 get the comprehensive plan as well as the mobility plan across the finish line

01:21:20.760 --> 01:21:25.840
 the other item that we need from us today is we need concurrence amongst the

01:21:25.840 --> 01:21:29.720
 Commission or at least a majority of those president present on how we move

01:21:29.720 --> 01:21:32.560
 forward with each topic that we're presenting so that way we can make any

01:21:32.560 --> 01:21:37.160
 refinements to the document that we need to make moving forward into our public

01:21:37.160 --> 01:21:40.940
 hearing and adoption phase as you can see here we've got several topics to

01:21:40.940 --> 01:21:44.800
 cover there's about seven topics with a roughly I guess a little less than two

01:21:44.800 --> 01:21:48.040
 and a half hours to achieve that in really what happens is that limits our

01:21:48.040 --> 01:21:52.960
 discussion on each topic to about 20 minutes or so Ron's there to be able to

01:21:52.960 --> 01:21:56.200
 assist in a timekeeper function Commissioner Ellis if we're having

01:21:56.200 --> 01:21:58.880
 extensive discussion he may give hold his hand up and give you a five-minute

01:21:58.880 --> 01:22:05.080
 warning but if if we find that we need to spend more time on a particular topic

01:22:05.080 --> 01:22:09.440
 that that's fine it'll just take away time from other topics that we need to

01:22:09.440 --> 01:22:13.720
 get to additionally if we find that we're not able to achieve consensus on a

01:22:13.720 --> 01:22:16.720
 particular direction as to how we move forward we also have the ability to

01:22:16.720 --> 01:22:20.560
 basically park that topic off to the side if you will and then we can bring

01:22:20.560 --> 01:22:25.320
 that back on Monday when we have the joint meeting with the City Council also

01:22:25.320 --> 01:22:29.240
 as I alluded to earlier the way we've got our presentation structured is as we

01:22:29.240 --> 01:22:32.120
 present each topic then we'll have an opportunity for some discussion and

01:22:32.120 --> 01:22:36.440
 direction if you could allow us to be able to get through our presentation on

01:22:36.440 --> 01:22:41.680
 that particular topic I think then that will really help us with the with the

01:22:41.680 --> 01:22:45.600
 discussion that we need to have and receive your direction and then lastly

01:22:45.600 --> 01:22:49.080
 just a reminder and I know we've talked about this in the past but remember the

01:22:49.080 --> 01:22:53.480
 comprehensive plan it's a policy document therefore it needs to be a

01:22:53.480 --> 01:22:57.920
 flexible living document to be able to guide our growth in our investment within

01:22:57.920 --> 01:23:02.840
 Denton it has a 20-year horizon associated with it and if there's

01:23:02.840 --> 01:23:06.040
 anything here most recently we're proven that we continue to update our

01:23:06.040 --> 01:23:09.360
 comprehensive plan so obviously with this this update that we're doing right

01:23:09.360 --> 01:23:13.560
 now but we would continue to evaluate and update this plan every five to ten

01:23:13.560 --> 01:23:16.640
 years additionally you know I mentioned some of that additional work that needs

01:23:16.640 --> 01:23:21.920
 to take place we really see that as part of our work program doing area plans in

01:23:21.920 --> 01:23:26.520
 the future and I know the Commission has supported this idea in the past but that

01:23:26.520 --> 01:23:31.680
 allows us to do that deeper dive finer grain analysis when it comes to certain

01:23:31.680 --> 01:23:35.760
 areas within the community so the the comprehensive plan will provide that

01:23:35.760 --> 01:23:39.640
 framework and vision but as we do those area plans then that allows us to be

01:23:39.640 --> 01:23:43.160
 even more refined and get into more of the weeds that sometimes we have a

01:23:43.160 --> 01:23:48.640
 tendency on wanting to do so with that just reviewing our agenda slide then

01:23:48.640 --> 01:23:53.000
 with you this this morning so again we'll have a conversation about the

01:23:53.000 --> 01:23:57.000
 vision statement and how that frames up the additional work in and direction

01:23:57.000 --> 01:24:01.080
 that we've provided for in the in the comprehensive plan secondly we're going

01:24:01.080 --> 01:24:04.760
 to talk about future development within our extraterritorial jurisdiction or

01:24:04.760 --> 01:24:09.320
 ETJ and we'll address the city's limited regulatory authority I know we've had a

01:24:09.320 --> 01:24:13.040
 lot of conversation with City Council about this maybe not as much with the

01:24:13.040 --> 01:24:17.000
 planning and zoning Commission but this has really been an item of concern at

01:24:17.000 --> 01:24:21.640
 least for councils been concerned on how best do we shade the the colors if you

01:24:21.640 --> 01:24:26.920
 will on the future land use map and in particularly knowing that there are

01:24:26.920 --> 01:24:30.480
 concerns regarding additional growth and development within the community and

01:24:30.480 --> 01:24:35.000
 also wanting to preserve some of the existing character of the areas within

01:24:35.000 --> 01:24:41.120
 the ETJ how best do we influence that area to either limit development or at

01:24:41.120 --> 01:24:44.000
 least get the development that we're interested in having in the right place

01:24:44.000 --> 01:24:48.000
 then the next topic that we're going to talk about is this preferred pattern of

01:24:48.000 --> 01:24:51.320
 land preservation and this is also that is something that has come from City

01:24:51.320 --> 01:24:57.360
 Council and so in really again along those lines of how do we limit growth in

01:24:57.360 --> 01:25:01.880
 certain areas obviously being cognizant of our environmentally sensitive areas

01:25:01.880 --> 01:25:06.720
 our floodplain areas also our community is very interested in preserving trees

01:25:06.720 --> 01:25:11.560
 so how does that all work together in this idea of land preservation then

01:25:11.560 --> 01:25:16.720
 we'll move into the future land use map I know in on January 26 ed shared with

01:25:16.720 --> 01:25:20.240
 you areas where we're proposing to make changes so he'll go back through and

01:25:20.240 --> 01:25:23.720
 just highlight some of those areas and we'll be able to address any comments

01:25:23.720 --> 01:25:26.440
 we receive from the Commission in the past where we've made changes and where

01:25:26.440 --> 01:25:31.240
 we haven't then we really move into that implementation phase and and and to me

01:25:31.240 --> 01:25:35.280
 this is the exciting part once we get the conference of plan adopted we're

01:25:35.280 --> 01:25:39.000
 allowed to move into the implementation phase because that's where the 270

01:25:39.000 --> 01:25:43.240
 action items that we have included within the plan document to help us with

01:25:43.240 --> 01:25:46.880
 implementing what we want our community to be in the future and this is really

01:25:46.880 --> 01:25:49.840
 where the rubber hits the road as we start working on these action items and

01:25:49.840 --> 01:25:55.040
 so Ed's gonna share some information about how the goals policies and action

01:25:55.040 --> 01:26:01.000
 items work as we move as we work on the implementation and why with this being a

01:26:01.000 --> 01:26:05.920
 policy document while we still have to have that higher level perspective and

01:26:05.920 --> 01:26:09.520
 not getting into so much of the weeds on how we accomplish all of the action

01:26:09.520 --> 01:26:13.480
 items then we'll move into the area plans discussion in infill

01:26:13.480 --> 01:26:17.880
 redevelopment because we really see that that's the part of our future as we move

01:26:17.880 --> 01:26:21.920
 forward with our with our implementation and then lastly I'll wrap up with the

01:26:21.920 --> 01:26:25.720
 next steps and in the calendar that that Becky alluded to you that I would be

01:26:25.720 --> 01:26:29.920
 sharing when she gave her presentation on the mobility plan so with that let's

01:26:29.920 --> 01:26:34.760
 go ahead and proceed to the next slide so as I mentioned earlier with all of

01:26:34.760 --> 01:26:37.040
 the comments and the feedback we received both from the planning and

01:26:37.040 --> 01:26:40.080
 zoning Commission Council in the community that that central theme and

01:26:40.080 --> 01:26:43.880
 question really comes about is how do we manage growth and through the through

01:26:43.880 --> 01:26:48.120
 the feedback that we have received today our vision statement still holds true in

01:26:48.120 --> 01:26:52.640
 this slide here summarizes much of what we are interested in seeing for the

01:26:52.640 --> 01:26:56.040
 future of Denton our community is interested in having that managed

01:26:56.040 --> 01:26:59.800
 balanced sustainable growth with throughout the community we're

01:26:59.800 --> 01:27:03.660
 interested in having compact development and mixed-use development as well as an

01:27:03.660 --> 01:27:08.360
 investment in and infill development occurring within our city and it and

01:27:08.360 --> 01:27:12.480
 within the appropriate portions of our city right we're also interested in

01:27:12.480 --> 01:27:15.800
 having an efficient transportation system addressing multiple

01:27:15.800 --> 01:27:19.120
 transportation modes throughout the city so hence why you know it's been

01:27:19.120 --> 01:27:22.880
 essential that we coordinate with Becky and her team as we look at not only

01:27:22.880 --> 01:27:26.080
 moving vehicles through our community but also how do we accommodate the needs

01:27:26.080 --> 01:27:30.120
 of both pedestrians and bicyclists and I believe you know and in that previous

01:27:30.120 --> 01:27:34.720
 presentation you really saw how our emphasis is on pedestrians and bicycles

01:27:34.720 --> 01:27:38.720
 and how we are trying to make strides in improving that for those modes of

01:27:38.720 --> 01:27:43.600
 transportation also we our vision statement addresses how best do we want

01:27:43.600 --> 01:27:47.080
 to address our major highway travel quarters so really those are the windows

01:27:47.080 --> 01:27:51.400
 into the community and in a previous committee city I worked in my planning

01:27:51.400 --> 01:27:54.480
 zoning Commission chair I thought he sent it up correctly when he said really

01:27:54.480 --> 01:27:58.080
 those highway quarters they truly are the windows into our community because

01:27:58.080 --> 01:28:01.040
 whether you're a resident of Denton and driving through Denton or maybe you're

01:28:01.040 --> 01:28:04.320
 not a resident Denton and you're just passing through if you're passing through

01:28:04.320 --> 01:28:07.480
 on the highways that really gives you an opportunity to see what what is that

01:28:07.480 --> 01:28:11.280
 what is that community like where do some of their priorities lie with

01:28:11.280 --> 01:28:15.200
 respect to how their community is is developing you know in our case when we

01:28:15.200 --> 01:28:18.840
 have I know tree preservation is significant for us so you know it may be

01:28:18.840 --> 01:28:22.760
 you in Denton that it's more noticeable more trees that are visible right but

01:28:22.760 --> 01:28:26.280
 really it's it's those windows into the community that where someone sees just a

01:28:26.280 --> 01:28:31.160
 glimpse of what our our city is like we're also as a city of Denton we're

01:28:31.160 --> 01:28:35.760
 also interested in having well-planned infrastructure to serve our city not

01:28:35.760 --> 01:28:39.960
 only from a mobility standpoint with our roads in our bicycle trails on our

01:28:39.960 --> 01:28:44.120
 sidewalks but really also taking into consideration how are we planning for

01:28:44.120 --> 01:28:49.560
 water and wastewater needs you know with Denton municipal electric and in

01:28:49.560 --> 01:28:53.000
 providing electrical service we're interested in having that well-planned

01:28:53.000 --> 01:28:58.440
 infrastructure also we are interested in having parks greenways streams again

01:28:58.440 --> 01:29:02.600
 tree canopy preservation all of that integrated in some form or fashion

01:29:02.600 --> 01:29:07.680
 throughout the comprehensive plan and then also is important that we again are

01:29:07.680 --> 01:29:10.560
 having that coordinated with the parks team with their master plan that they're

01:29:10.560 --> 01:29:14.360
 working on and lastly it's the environmental stewardship and the

01:29:14.360 --> 01:29:17.800
 sustainable practices that resonates throughout the the feedback that we

01:29:17.800 --> 01:29:20.960
 received from the community and continues to still be a common theme

01:29:20.960 --> 01:29:24.440
 within the comprehensive plan so you know all of these items that I just

01:29:24.440 --> 01:29:30.800
 explained here that are they frame up the goals that we have which in our

01:29:30.800 --> 01:29:35.640
 proposed 2040 comprehensive plan we have 35 goals that help us with implementing

01:29:35.640 --> 01:29:39.560
 our vision we've got a hundred and twenty three policies that further

01:29:39.560 --> 01:29:44.240
 refine those goals but as I mentioned earlier we have those 270 action items

01:29:44.240 --> 01:29:47.880
 that are provided for within this comprehensive plan to help us implement

01:29:47.880 --> 01:29:54.160
 our vision over time so based upon that feedback that we have received from not

01:29:54.160 --> 01:29:57.640
 only you but council in the community we believe that the vision statement is

01:29:57.640 --> 01:30:03.360
 still relevant as the guiding vision for Denton and so this continues then

01:30:03.360 --> 01:30:07.560
 provide the framework as we move into these next topics and as we work to

01:30:07.560 --> 01:30:11.520
 complete the conference of plan if there are no questions or comments regarding

01:30:11.520 --> 01:30:15.120
 this then we can move on but I'll pause here for a moment to see if there's any

01:30:15.120 --> 01:30:23.520
 discussion that's needed I do not see any hands raised Tina so go ahead and

01:30:23.520 --> 01:30:27.320
 continue thank you okay excellent well now I'm going to turn it over to Ed as

01:30:27.320 --> 01:30:32.560
 we work through these remaining topics thank you Tina I'm Ed Boyk with Matrix

01:30:32.560 --> 01:30:36.760
 design group thank you chair members of the Commission for having me here today

01:30:36.760 --> 01:30:41.720
 I'm going to start to work through the different topic areas as Tina had

01:30:41.720 --> 01:30:47.920
 described that where we saw additional comments or additional clarification

01:30:47.920 --> 01:30:54.000
 needed to help make sure the Commission and City Council were both aware of how

01:30:54.000 --> 01:30:57.560
 they fit into the approach of the comprehensive plan how they've been

01:30:57.560 --> 01:31:01.640
 addressed what some of the considerations might be and also it

01:31:01.640 --> 01:31:05.880
 provides an opportunity as she had noted for additional discussion and where I'm

01:31:05.880 --> 01:31:13.960
 going to start is with discussion about the ETJs so as as many of you I'm sure

01:31:13.960 --> 01:31:19.120
 are completely aware the ETJ is a five-mile radius that extends around the

01:31:19.120 --> 01:31:23.800
 city of Denton corporate limits there's two different divisions to the ETJ

01:31:23.800 --> 01:31:28.520
 there's a division one which the city retains subdivision review rights and

01:31:28.520 --> 01:31:35.400
 there's ETJ division two which the city has no authority for development review

01:31:35.400 --> 01:31:42.200
 ETJs were I would say severely hampered in terms of what the city's authority

01:31:42.200 --> 01:31:48.560
 could be through a Senate bill six which is approved several years ago and it

01:31:48.560 --> 01:31:53.560
 restricted cities from being able to apply regulations related to zoning land

01:31:53.560 --> 01:31:58.840
 use and density on developments but that were found within the ETJ Denton has

01:31:58.840 --> 01:32:03.320
 also entered to these interlocal agreement interlocal agreements with

01:32:03.320 --> 01:32:06.680
 Denton County which is you know as I described a moment ago further

01:32:06.680 --> 01:32:13.800
 restricted some of those development review authorities in the division two

01:32:13.800 --> 01:32:17.720
 where there is no authority for the subdivision review but even though the

01:32:17.720 --> 01:32:23.440
 state Senate that was at state Senate bill six when it passed restricted the

01:32:23.440 --> 01:32:27.360
 ability of the city to write you to do zoning review and land use regulation

01:32:27.360 --> 01:32:31.640
 review the city still retains the rights through that for subdivision review and

01:32:31.640 --> 01:32:35.560
 review for other things such as improvement districts or municipal

01:32:35.560 --> 01:32:40.640
 development districts some water considerations signs access and roads

01:32:40.640 --> 01:32:46.480
 streams water shed protection and then the ability to enter into agreements if

01:32:46.480 --> 01:32:51.360
 there is a need to enter an agreement with a developer for those developments

01:32:51.360 --> 01:32:56.960
 within the ETJ so because of that it's still valuable for the city to have a

01:32:56.960 --> 01:33:02.720
 policy established in the comprehensive plan which dictates the vision of the

01:33:02.720 --> 01:33:06.840
 community in terms of land use in that ETJ and so you'll see in these upcoming

01:33:06.840 --> 01:33:12.520
 slides where the information received from the Commission the council the

01:33:12.520 --> 01:33:15.400
 community in the past as well as coordination with the city staff is

01:33:15.400 --> 01:33:21.880
 informed along with best practices a land use policy for the ETJ which was

01:33:21.880 --> 01:33:28.760
 largely absent from the 2030 plan making and this map is just a blow-up of the

01:33:28.760 --> 01:33:34.360
 west side of Denton which shows the shading that is proposed in the ETJ for

01:33:34.360 --> 01:33:38.840
 agricultural and the light green and rural land uses and one of the comments

01:33:38.840 --> 01:33:45.480
 we had received was that there are many municipal utility districts that are

01:33:45.480 --> 01:33:49.160
 located within the ETJ and those municipal utility districts because of

01:33:49.160 --> 01:33:54.200
 the Senate bill 6 which I just described a moment ago have secured rights through

01:33:54.200 --> 01:33:59.080
 for development plans that it can be enacted through state legislation and

01:33:59.080 --> 01:34:03.240
 they don't necessarily need to follow the zoning or land use policies of the

01:34:03.240 --> 01:34:07.960
 city however the city does retain the ability to do subdivision review some of

01:34:07.960 --> 01:34:11.680
 those municipal utility districts have moved substantially through the process

01:34:11.680 --> 01:34:15.920
 or have entered into the process or moving through a state legislative

01:34:15.920 --> 01:34:22.360
 process right now to be developed and those that are moving forward are

01:34:22.360 --> 01:34:27.200
 illustrated on this map now one through four and since the last time this future

01:34:27.200 --> 01:34:29.900
 land use map was presented those land uses have been changed for those

01:34:29.900 --> 01:34:34.360
 municipal utility districts from the previous colors to low density

01:34:34.360 --> 01:34:37.920
 residential which reflects the development density that have been

01:34:37.920 --> 01:34:42.680
 proposed for those developments and and there's a good reason for that is that

01:34:42.680 --> 01:34:48.400
 it reflects the reality of the built condition that exists today either

01:34:48.400 --> 01:34:54.200
 through approved plans or will be on the ground into the future as a reality

01:34:54.200 --> 01:34:58.320
 through the approval of those plans so it's a forward-looking land use plan

01:34:58.320 --> 01:35:02.320
 it's looking forward and saying these are going to be low density areas it's

01:35:02.320 --> 01:35:06.720
 appropriate to illustrate those as low density because the city will not have

01:35:06.720 --> 01:35:11.400
 an opportunity to enact a different land use policy on those areas moving

01:35:11.400 --> 01:35:18.640
 forward as for the remainder though the remainder of the area is to be retained

01:35:18.640 --> 01:35:22.480
 with the colors that were there before and the reason for that will be talked

01:35:22.480 --> 01:35:27.400
 about in upcoming sections related to the preferred pattern of land

01:35:27.400 --> 01:35:37.840
 preservation and other specifically land preservation discussion because the land

01:35:37.840 --> 01:35:43.080
 uses that are in the periphery reflect the vision of the city to have a managed

01:35:43.080 --> 01:35:47.960
 approach to growth a balanced approach to growth for one where growth can be

01:35:47.960 --> 01:35:53.360
 accommodated on the periphery of the community but it's also the intention of

01:35:53.360 --> 01:36:02.360
 Denton to do what it can to encourage development landowners to consider the

01:36:02.360 --> 01:36:05.720
 long-term vision for preservation of heritage preservation of rural spaces

01:36:05.720 --> 01:36:10.880
 preservation of open spaces or at least accommodating that into their development

01:36:10.880 --> 01:36:16.720
 plans so that can become an opportunity for the city to use as a basis of

01:36:16.720 --> 01:36:23.240
 negotiation with these municipal utility districts if they seek city approval or

01:36:23.240 --> 01:36:28.840
 concurrence with their projects to encourage them to consider this land use

01:36:28.840 --> 01:36:33.640
 vision as a development of plans it doesn't mean that the city can exert total

01:36:33.640 --> 01:36:39.040
 authority over the densities and types of developments that are proposed but it

01:36:39.040 --> 01:36:44.720
 does provide that policy framework from which you can have discussion and move

01:36:44.720 --> 01:36:50.680
 forward and hopefully encourage those developments to incorporate aspects of

01:36:50.680 --> 01:36:57.440
 Denton's policies procedures and regulations which are aligned with the

01:36:57.440 --> 01:37:04.180
 vision for Denton maybe that's you know parks related maybe it's a density

01:37:04.180 --> 01:37:09.320
 related maybe it's streets and connectivity related but it helps to like

01:37:09.320 --> 01:37:13.560
 I said establish that baseline that framework for discussion to move forward

01:37:13.560 --> 01:37:23.440
 so that's the discussion mostly on the MUDs and there's two options one which

01:37:23.440 --> 01:37:26.000
 was the staff recommendation that was brought to council was to just

01:37:26.000 --> 01:37:32.160
 illustrate the MUDs that have either been approved or moved substantially

01:37:32.160 --> 01:37:34.880
 through the process as low-density residential which you could see on the

01:37:34.880 --> 01:37:40.480
 west side of Denton and then include notes for the potential that additional

01:37:40.480 --> 01:37:45.280
 municipal utility districts could be proposed in the ETJ and the option to on

01:37:45.280 --> 01:37:48.840
 the right was also provided to council for consideration and provided to you

01:37:48.840 --> 01:37:53.160
 for consideration is to not only illustrate those MUDs with the low

01:37:53.160 --> 01:37:59.160
 density residential land use that have moved substantially through the process

01:37:59.160 --> 01:38:05.840
 or been approved but then also to outline in a color maybe it's pink those

01:38:05.840 --> 01:38:12.600
 municipal utility districts that Denton is aware of are conceptual in nature but

01:38:12.600 --> 01:38:18.840
 have not moved to the point of being and being submitted for application through

01:38:18.840 --> 01:38:25.600
 a state processor moved to be considered a development plan with the city

01:38:25.600 --> 01:38:30.000
 through any negotiations with the city so that way it's a little bit more

01:38:30.000 --> 01:38:34.640
 transparent as well to the community that while the overall vision for the

01:38:34.640 --> 01:38:40.000
 ETJ is to have rural land uses and agricultural land uses and balance the

01:38:40.000 --> 01:38:44.360
 growth on the periphery with infill and redevelopment inside the community and

01:38:44.360 --> 01:38:50.280
 the more developed areas there is a potential that because of state law

01:38:50.280 --> 01:38:56.760
 there there could be additional subdivisions or these MUDs in the ETJ

01:38:56.760 --> 01:39:01.160
 which do not conform with the land use plan and it's just putting on the plan

01:39:01.160 --> 01:39:05.760
 to disclose it on one hand on option one it keeps the map a little bit cleaner a

01:39:05.760 --> 01:39:12.800
 little bit more easy to read on option two it just adds additional designation

01:39:12.800 --> 01:39:19.360
 to the map which is already a very busy map but it does more clearly I guess in

01:39:19.360 --> 01:39:22.920
 some ways or puts it right in front of your face that these are these

01:39:22.920 --> 01:39:26.920
 opportunities that we are aware of right now with MUDs that may move forward but

01:39:26.920 --> 01:39:32.880
 have not moved forward at this point and so at this point we want to open up for

01:39:32.880 --> 01:39:36.320
 discussion and direction on this since this is the some of the comments we had

01:39:36.320 --> 01:39:39.240
 received in the past was how do you handle the ETJ how do you handle MUDs

01:39:39.240 --> 01:39:42.560
 what's the value of having land use policy there what are some of the

01:39:42.560 --> 01:39:47.840
 concerns that Denton might have with having that land use designation in land

01:39:47.840 --> 01:39:54.480
 they don't control and really again just to summarize it's beneficial to have the

01:39:54.480 --> 01:39:58.360
 land use policy there because it helps to reflect on the future land use plan

01:39:58.360 --> 01:40:04.080
 the development vision for the community moving forward through the year 2040 but

01:40:04.080 --> 01:40:09.280
 it's also helpful to illustrate those MUDs where the community is aware of

01:40:09.280 --> 01:40:14.760
 those that are moving they're already approved and not able to conform with

01:40:14.760 --> 01:40:19.600
 the plan for the future land use so those are the updates that are provided

01:40:19.600 --> 01:40:28.160
 for you for discussion in any direction thanks and with regard to that mud map

01:40:28.160 --> 01:40:34.240
 there was extensive discussion I know yesterday at council so a couple of

01:40:34.240 --> 01:40:40.660
 questions I have is is the staff recommendation that just because it's a

01:40:40.660 --> 01:40:44.480
 cleaner looking map I'm trying to understand why option one is the

01:40:44.480 --> 01:40:49.400
 recommendation that's my first question my second question is what transpires

01:40:49.400 --> 01:40:55.760
 out of council yesterday with regard to this map sure thing and I'll go ahead

01:40:55.760 --> 01:40:59.880
 and take that question you're welcome so in terms of those staff

01:40:59.880 --> 01:41:05.880
 recommendation the reason why we put forth the map and in our recommendation

01:41:05.880 --> 01:41:11.840
 on this was because of the the status of the MUDs that one are existing or two

01:41:11.840 --> 01:41:16.240
 that are that are well down the process of being created the ones that are

01:41:16.240 --> 01:41:20.920
 existing though as I understand it Lala Ranch up there in the very northwest

01:41:20.920 --> 01:41:25.180
 portion of the community that yellow rectangle if you will we also have then

01:41:25.180 --> 01:41:31.320
 the ones that are closer to 380 let's see legends is is not fully approved yet

01:41:31.320 --> 01:41:36.760
 through the state legislature OLEX which is also known as Meadows and then Astra

01:41:36.760 --> 01:41:41.960
 thank you Ed those are either approved or such far down on the process that we

01:41:41.960 --> 01:41:45.040
 felt like given the direction that we received from council that we go ahead

01:41:45.040 --> 01:41:49.240
 and illustrate those as the low-density residential developments that they are

01:41:49.240 --> 01:41:56.320
 the others you know they they are not as further advanced if you will in terms of

01:41:56.320 --> 01:42:01.560
 their formulation and for the Commission I don't recall how much discussion we've

01:42:01.560 --> 01:42:06.320
 had on these municipal utility districts but just for the Commission's benefit

01:42:06.320 --> 01:42:09.960
 you know these are typically created through a legislative process they're

01:42:09.960 --> 01:42:14.160
 they're separate apart from the city of Denton the one exception would be is that

01:42:14.160 --> 01:42:21.480
 the developers may seek consent from the city of Denton if if we grant consent to

01:42:21.480 --> 01:42:26.520
 the creation of these months then it may provide maybe a shorter time frame in

01:42:26.520 --> 01:42:30.760
 working with the Texas Commission on environmental quality to seek you to get

01:42:30.760 --> 01:42:34.880
 through their process we do not necessarily have to grant consent if we

01:42:34.880 --> 01:42:38.840
 do not then it's just a little bit longer process as we understand it but

01:42:38.840 --> 01:42:43.320
 but they they're really they're they're created through state legislature we

01:42:43.320 --> 01:42:46.880
 have really no regulatory authority over over them especially with them being out

01:42:46.880 --> 01:42:53.360
 in the ETJ - we do have the ability to enter into a development agreement if

01:42:53.360 --> 01:42:57.680
 you will with them regarding certain services being provided and in typically

01:42:57.680 --> 01:43:02.200
 one of the services that that comes to light is fire protection service just

01:43:02.200 --> 01:43:06.440
 because of the we weren't there's an interest in making sure that when when

01:43:06.440 --> 01:43:10.000
 people call 9-1-1 that their needs are being met and who's gonna be the

01:43:10.000 --> 01:43:15.280
 closest responding fire station team and so really that that's gonna be coming and

01:43:15.280 --> 01:43:18.280
 all likely probably from the city of Denton depending upon where some of

01:43:18.280 --> 01:43:22.720
 these muds locate their their police service is provided then through the

01:43:22.720 --> 01:43:27.440
 county but our recommendation was an acknowledgement based upon direction

01:43:27.440 --> 01:43:31.800
 that council had given us because there I think the concern and as Ed pointed

01:43:31.800 --> 01:43:38.840
 out was transparency acknowledging that they're there and so and then so hence

01:43:38.840 --> 01:43:42.840
 why we went with option one you know option to those muds that we have

01:43:42.840 --> 01:43:46.520
 outlined in pink they're just not as far along in the process so they may or may

01:43:46.520 --> 01:43:50.520
 not come to fruition you know the La La Ranch expansion area up there in the

01:43:50.520 --> 01:43:54.040
 northwest quadrant we have been in conversations with them recently because

01:43:54.040 --> 01:43:58.360
 they were seeking consent from City Council so from what I understand you

01:43:58.360 --> 01:44:00.720
 know that that's one of the ones that's a little bit farther along maybe

01:44:00.720 --> 01:44:04.440
 compared to some of the others but council felt like it was best to show

01:44:04.440 --> 01:44:09.240
 where these other muds could potentially occur because the other aspect with

01:44:09.240 --> 01:44:12.120
 these is that you know they could potentially steer and influence

01:44:12.120 --> 01:44:16.200
 additional development that's happening within the HEJ over time and so it

01:44:16.200 --> 01:44:19.920
 becomes an acknowledgement of that potential residential land use in that

01:44:19.920 --> 01:44:23.480
 area and the last thing I would add with respect to muds you know one of the

01:44:23.480 --> 01:44:27.280
 reasons why the the developers pursue them is so that they're not having to

01:44:27.280 --> 01:44:30.760
 comply with the city's ordinances so for example they're not having to comply

01:44:30.760 --> 01:44:33.680
 with our tree preservation requirements they're not having to comply with any

01:44:33.680 --> 01:44:37.840
 of our zoning regulations that that we have you know we have our gas well

01:44:37.840 --> 01:44:43.440
 regulations so our gas well setback provisions that come into play they

01:44:43.440 --> 01:44:47.760
 would not have to comply with those and so hence why they they create a separate

01:44:47.760 --> 01:44:51.680
 political entities of themselves so that they do not have that zoning oversight

01:44:51.680 --> 01:44:56.920
 that the city would otherwise exercise if they were annexed into the city okay

01:44:56.920 --> 01:45:02.240
 thanks Tina yeah I kind of like option too I'm just a fan of more information I

01:45:02.240 --> 01:45:06.520
 guess is why it's a little bit more transparent to me that's just my opinion

01:45:06.520 --> 01:45:10.740
 and I was just curious as to what that discussion was and Scott is arriving at

01:45:10.740 --> 01:45:17.600
 the podium hello Scott thank you just wanted to follow up and I think one of

01:45:17.600 --> 01:45:20.960
 the questions that and I don't know that I got answered that ultimately council

01:45:20.960 --> 01:45:24.880
 was really on the path of option two okay and that is what I wanted to know

01:45:24.880 --> 01:45:31.040
 option to have the outlines of those that may potentially become you know a

01:45:31.040 --> 01:45:35.360
 municipal utility district so so that is what came out of Council yesterday that's

01:45:35.360 --> 01:45:38.880
 the difference between the two maps and that's really were the majority of

01:45:38.880 --> 01:45:45.880
 council had landed yesterday okay good to know any questions from the

01:45:45.880 --> 01:45:49.800
 Commission regarding this Commissioner perot thank you chair just real briefly

01:45:49.800 --> 01:45:55.760
 I prefer option one and I'll just offer that the reason is that I think this

01:45:55.760 --> 01:46:00.960
 needs to be a relatively timeless document that doesn't become stale

01:46:00.960 --> 01:46:05.280
 immediately I think our efforts are better served by really looking into our

01:46:05.280 --> 01:46:09.440
 subdivision regulations to see if we're doing everything we can to encourage the

01:46:09.440 --> 01:46:14.000
 type of rural development in these areas that we would like to see with the

01:46:14.000 --> 01:46:18.200
 little limited amount of controls that we have and so I think going option two

01:46:18.200 --> 01:46:23.520
 is it's creating a situation where we're gonna have to update it every three

01:46:23.520 --> 01:46:27.480
 months for the next ten years right and I don't know what value it brings other

01:46:27.480 --> 01:46:37.000
 than just saying oh so that's my thoughts one in to add to that and thank

01:46:37.000 --> 01:46:40.440
 you for the observation on that Commissioner perot in India where

01:46:40.440 --> 01:46:45.480
 that's why we have the language that their potential municipal utility

01:46:45.480 --> 01:46:50.520
 districts in their petitioning for state approval is to acknowledge that that we

01:46:50.520 --> 01:46:53.440
 know that they're out there but that they're not fully approved or through

01:46:53.440 --> 01:46:59.020
 that process so we you know if we end up landing on option two which as Scott

01:46:59.020 --> 01:47:02.760
 pointed out and thank you for that is that you know at least we're being

01:47:02.760 --> 01:47:09.600
 transparent and acknowledging that they may or may not occur okay any other

01:47:09.600 --> 01:47:18.580
 comments on this Commissioner Cole thank you chair yeah I kind of I like option

01:47:18.580 --> 01:47:26.040
 twos well I think you're right that more information is best but Commissioner

01:47:26.040 --> 01:47:30.840
 Pruitt does have a point and that's gonna be in flux ever so often it could

01:47:30.840 --> 01:47:38.200
 change but also you know there's a legislative component in Austin on this

01:47:38.200 --> 01:47:45.200
 and I know there are some bills that have co-sponsors in the state house that

01:47:45.200 --> 01:47:51.680
 would affect some of this now whether they see the light of day I don't know

01:47:51.680 --> 01:47:55.840
 one of them's geared toward de annexation making it easy to the annex

01:47:55.840 --> 01:48:00.840
 if the city's not providing you adequate services whatever that you know that

01:48:00.840 --> 01:48:07.560
 definition is but I would you know I would if I was staff I would keep an eye

01:48:07.560 --> 01:48:14.680
 on Austin and these future bills that are going to come down the line that

01:48:14.680 --> 01:48:21.480
 could be very disruptive thanks Commissioner Cole Commissioner Villarreal

01:48:21.480 --> 01:48:26.160
 yes I just wanted to concur with Council and Commissioner Cole and supportive

01:48:26.160 --> 01:48:31.840
 option to I do agree we need more clarity we need more transparency in

01:48:31.840 --> 01:48:37.400
 these regards and I would like to see option to you thanks yeah to me we've

01:48:37.400 --> 01:48:41.000
 got the word potential in there which means I mean it's knowledge we have

01:48:41.000 --> 01:48:46.240
 right now that's that's that's the reason that I'm sure that Council was

01:48:46.240 --> 01:48:50.320
 focused there and why a good number of us are as well it's not really putting

01:48:50.320 --> 01:48:53.640
 anything in stone it's just saying hey we know about this right now of the

01:48:53.640 --> 01:48:58.280
 potential I think it's good information I do not see any other questions on this

01:48:58.280 --> 01:49:08.360
 so I think we can continue great thank you thank you all right so moving on to

01:49:08.360 --> 01:49:13.120
 the next section of discussion is the preferred land preservation plan and

01:49:13.120 --> 01:49:20.800
 this was introduced I think I believe it previously which is showing lakes

01:49:20.800 --> 01:49:27.960
 floodways ESAs environmentally sensitive areas habitats and to have something on

01:49:27.960 --> 01:49:33.120
 the screen because we do not have oh I apologize no worries thank you closed up

01:49:33.120 --> 01:49:46.400
 on me I was gonna have you guys use your imagination all right you're welcome

01:49:46.400 --> 01:49:52.040
 all right so so again not to restart now you can see on the screen the preferred

01:49:52.040 --> 01:49:55.120
 land preservation plan and this is a graph that without a map that was

01:49:55.120 --> 01:50:00.360
 developed by the Denton GIS team to illustrate those areas that are lakes

01:50:00.360 --> 01:50:06.440
 floodways ESAs you know those environmentally sensitive areas habitats

01:50:06.440 --> 01:50:10.960
 and parks and those those areas that had the potential to become preserved you

01:50:10.960 --> 01:50:14.960
 know whether it's a proof of an area of habitat that could be preserved riparian

01:50:14.960 --> 01:50:21.880
 area floodplain and this is to provide that overall vision for those general

01:50:21.880 --> 01:50:28.880
 areas which could be considered as part of an open space or public lands open

01:50:28.880 --> 01:50:35.520
 space preservation effort on an upcoming slide to see how the land use plan and

01:50:35.520 --> 01:50:41.540
 substantially many parts of the land use changes that are in the ETJ and just

01:50:41.540 --> 01:50:47.600
 outside of the boundaries of the city was changed to be in alignment with this

01:50:47.600 --> 01:50:54.960
 plan so as to those areas that are more impacted by say floodways or flood zones

01:50:54.960 --> 01:51:00.240
 are shown as open space and those that are you know those potential to be

01:51:00.240 --> 01:51:05.600
 preserved for riparian habitats or you know the cross timbers habitat those are

01:51:05.600 --> 01:51:11.440
 illustrated generally with appropriate land uses on them as well but this again

01:51:11.440 --> 01:51:17.520
 this is a high level approach there are regulations within the development code

01:51:17.520 --> 01:51:22.020
 and standards that are used through development that drill down and are much

01:51:22.020 --> 01:51:25.400
 more specific so at the time of implementation when a site plan comes

01:51:25.400 --> 01:51:29.760
 forward and the subdivision comes forward these generalized boundaries

01:51:29.760 --> 01:51:34.200
 become much more studied and much more refined so that those areas that are in

01:51:34.200 --> 01:51:40.400
 the need of preservation or have the potential to be preserved or can create

01:51:40.400 --> 01:51:46.240
 linkages and opportunities that fulfill not only the policies and vision of the

01:51:46.240 --> 01:51:51.200
 comprehensive plan but the parks and recreation trails master plan all that

01:51:51.200 --> 01:51:55.280
 can be handled at the time of implementation but what we're trying to

01:51:55.280 --> 01:52:01.240
 illustrate now is and this will be part of the comprehensive plan is that these

01:52:01.240 --> 01:52:07.720
 land preservation areas are aligned with the land use decisions that were made

01:52:07.720 --> 01:52:15.800
 for updating the future land use map so along with that there was a series of

01:52:15.800 --> 01:52:19.080
 questions that were provided to us from the both the planning and zoning

01:52:19.080 --> 01:52:25.880
 Commission and the City Council related to preservation and open space and on

01:52:25.880 --> 01:52:29.920
 the next couple slides you'll see those items that are marked with a

01:52:29.920 --> 01:52:36.240
 green arrow are those in which matrix and city staff are going to incorporate

01:52:36.240 --> 01:52:41.520
 or ensure incorporate maps or just ensure that the language in the

01:52:41.520 --> 01:52:47.280
 comprehensive plan supports those particular efforts and the other items

01:52:47.280 --> 01:52:51.480
 that are not identified with the green arrow are things that are already

01:52:51.480 --> 01:52:55.120
 addressed either through the comprehensive plan the policies the maps

01:52:55.120 --> 01:52:59.800
 and so on and then to some degree either implemented or not or handled by a

01:52:59.800 --> 01:53:04.080
 different plan so I'll just kind of walk through those at a high level to give

01:53:04.080 --> 01:53:09.280
 the Commission an update on that so so wildlife corridors came up and the staff

01:53:09.280 --> 01:53:13.400
 is going to and matrix will work together to make sure that there's

01:53:13.400 --> 01:53:19.440
 policies and actions in this comp plan that identify and or map those wildlife

01:53:19.440 --> 01:53:22.720
 quarters at least set some policy for how the wildlife corridors can be

01:53:22.720 --> 01:53:28.640
 handled in terms of preservation efforts or these open space efforts as for

01:53:28.640 --> 01:53:33.520
 protection of green spaces around watersheds as I noted there are city

01:53:33.520 --> 01:53:38.320
 regulations in place right now that do that there are FEMA related things

01:53:38.320 --> 01:53:42.680
 engineering design standards that are related to that as well and the

01:53:42.680 --> 01:53:47.720
 connected connectivity of green space you know they the parks and trails

01:53:47.720 --> 01:53:50.800
 recreation master plan as well as a comprehensive plan which are

01:53:50.800 --> 01:53:55.760
 coordinated both support those upper efforts and opportunities to locate

01:53:55.760 --> 01:53:59.880
 recreational facilities nearby or within those corridors as well where those

01:53:59.880 --> 01:54:05.920
 opportunities come in on this slide you can see a series of actions that are

01:54:05.920 --> 01:54:10.480
 existing in the comprehensive plan which address those comments about whether or

01:54:10.480 --> 01:54:15.320
 not natural spaces or these preserved areas are being used for linkages

01:54:15.320 --> 01:54:22.760
 regionally for mobility for open space for for flooding flood flood conveyance

01:54:22.760 --> 01:54:30.040
 as well as well potential for wildlife migration there's a need to make sure

01:54:30.040 --> 01:54:33.440
 there was enough land preserved for parks and there's actions related to

01:54:33.440 --> 01:54:38.080
 that as well as the 10-minute walk and making sure that that was a line between

01:54:38.080 --> 01:54:44.640
 the comp plan and the parks and recreation trails master plan the you

01:54:44.640 --> 01:54:48.480
 know the development of those greenways as I mentioned before linking those

01:54:48.480 --> 01:54:52.560
 areas together encouraging those pedestrian bicycle links all of those

01:54:52.560 --> 01:54:57.760
 comments that we received before are addressed and detailed out in the

01:54:57.760 --> 01:55:01.520
 comprehensive plan so that they've been accommodated as for things that can be

01:55:01.520 --> 01:55:07.520
 fixed or improved and clarified as there will be those existing trails that

01:55:07.520 --> 01:55:11.880
 exist and existing parks will be added to this preferred land preservation plan

01:55:11.880 --> 01:55:15.120
 to add to clarity in the relationship of those open spaces

01:55:15.120 --> 01:55:21.240
 ESA will likely have a different color to make it a little bit more clear about

01:55:21.240 --> 01:55:27.320
 what those areas are on the map the parcels they have a greater than 30%

01:55:27.320 --> 01:55:32.560
 canopy staff has added that is going to add a policy related to that to identify

01:55:32.560 --> 01:55:38.920
 those parcels which have a canopy of over greater than 30% the riparian areas

01:55:38.920 --> 01:55:44.080
 will be included on that preserved preferred land preservation map the

01:55:44.080 --> 01:55:48.280
 potential will be added as well as shown on that slide previously and as for the

01:55:48.280 --> 01:55:52.120
 other two about parcels which were zone public facilities there was a question

01:55:52.120 --> 01:55:56.280
 about illustrating what lands does it does the city of Denton currently

01:55:56.280 --> 01:56:01.120
 control right now what lands are available for potential open space or

01:56:01.120 --> 01:56:05.880
 for these types of functions and the existing the future land use map that's

01:56:05.880 --> 01:56:08.760
 provided in the comprehensive plan already identifies those government

01:56:08.760 --> 01:56:13.600
 institutional land use designations for those properties which is appropriate

01:56:13.600 --> 01:56:17.840
 at the high level of a comprehensive plan and then it becomes drilled down or

01:56:17.840 --> 01:56:21.960
 more detailed once you take an examination out of the be zoning map for

01:56:21.960 --> 01:56:26.320
 the city of Denton that tells you exactly the types of uses and that would

01:56:26.320 --> 01:56:29.840
 be appropriate on those city-owned properties but again comprehensive plan

01:56:29.840 --> 01:56:34.040
 stays at a high level it generalizes it what's important is that this is a

01:56:34.040 --> 01:56:38.280
 parcel that's designated for a variety of potential government and institutional

01:56:38.280 --> 01:56:46.360
 land uses through the future lastly with respect to denoting the historic parcels

01:56:46.360 --> 01:56:52.560
 there was a question that perhaps we should be illustrating some historic

01:56:52.560 --> 01:56:58.920
 preservation areas or for landmarks on the future land use map and and really

01:56:58.920 --> 01:57:03.680
 that is a refinement a drill down it's a it's a more detailed examination and

01:57:03.680 --> 01:57:07.120
 something that is addressed through the 2019 historic preservation plan and

01:57:07.120 --> 01:57:13.480
 really not a land use related function or something that should be illustrated

01:57:13.480 --> 01:57:21.640
 at the level of a future land use map there are policies as well in the in

01:57:21.640 --> 01:57:25.920
 goals within the comprehensive plan that do support those continued historic

01:57:25.920 --> 01:57:30.000
 preservation efforts so there is an alignment between those plans as well to

01:57:30.000 --> 01:57:33.720
 make sure that the comp plan supports those more detailed plans that move

01:57:33.720 --> 01:57:41.840
 along to come from it so with that I believe that covers the need for

01:57:41.840 --> 01:57:46.680
 discussion for the ESA's and if there's additional clarification that is

01:57:46.680 --> 01:57:51.920
 necessary or any further questions that may have been created from this

01:57:51.920 --> 01:57:59.240
 presentation of material we're open for that now so thank you any questions

01:57:59.240 --> 01:58:05.760
 Commissioner Cole thank you chair I think you know the wildlife corridor map is

01:58:05.760 --> 01:58:12.800
 very important what's the timeline on that and having that done so I'll take

01:58:12.800 --> 01:58:17.880
 that question the timeline has not been identified yet if anything it'll either

01:58:17.880 --> 01:58:22.080
 be for purposes of the comprehensive plan noted as a short-term midterm or

01:58:22.080 --> 01:58:27.000
 long-term item that will also be budget dependent for assistance on being able

01:58:27.000 --> 01:58:32.520
 to get that accomplished so it's really then comes down to it council being

01:58:32.520 --> 01:58:38.800
 willing to fund that particular action item one reason I'm interested in that

01:58:38.800 --> 01:58:45.380
 is because all those warehouses that are going up on Jim Crystal and Western

01:58:45.380 --> 01:58:52.280
 Boulevard you'll have a herd of 30 deer now trapped in a thick at the size of

01:58:52.280 --> 01:58:57.500
 City Hall and it's not uncommon to see a couple of dead deer a week on the side

01:58:57.500 --> 01:59:02.800
 of the road on Jim Crystal and when these warehouses go up these deer are

01:59:02.800 --> 01:59:07.360
 moving but they can't get across to an airport because they have two high

01:59:07.360 --> 01:59:13.360
 fences and they can't jump them so you I mean you have all these these deer just

01:59:13.360 --> 01:59:20.200
 trapped and it's going to be a problem because they're good a safety issue you

01:59:20.200 --> 01:59:26.000
 know because I mean they'll jack up your car if you get a big enough deer you

01:59:26.000 --> 01:59:31.720
 know but I was just you know we're already having that problem now it exists

01:59:31.720 --> 01:59:36.460
 now and there's a lot of wildlife trapped there on Jim Crystal in those

01:59:36.460 --> 01:59:42.000
 thickets and you know it'd be nice if we got on that so we didn't do that you

01:59:42.000 --> 01:59:46.520
 know further damage so you would be in favor of this being a short-term item

01:59:46.520 --> 01:59:52.080
 then from what I'm hearing from you so again I can hear you I said you would be

01:59:52.080 --> 01:59:58.000
 interested in us identifying this action item as a short-term item in terms of

01:59:58.000 --> 02:00:02.440
 I'm being done in it sooner than later yeah sooner and later because it's an

02:00:02.440 --> 02:00:07.380
 issue now thank you and you said Jim Crystal at what what was the other road

02:00:07.380 --> 02:00:13.840
 Western Western thank you but that also will go all the way down to Wolf Road to

02:00:13.840 --> 02:00:19.200
 you know it kind of goes it's it's set between Den energy Center kind of and

02:00:19.200 --> 02:00:25.600
 Western on Jim Crystal thank you okay thank you thanks Commissioner Cole any

02:00:25.600 --> 02:00:29.920
 other questions on this topic Commissioner Perot thank you chair just a

02:00:29.920 --> 02:00:35.400
 brief comment I think it looks great I think the there was some discussion I

02:00:35.400 --> 02:00:42.040
 think I heard yesterday at council that about how many permutations of of layers

02:00:42.040 --> 02:00:45.540
 that we wanted to include in the plan based on this map and I guess my

02:00:45.540 --> 02:00:49.000
 guidance would be you know when you have people and developers looking at

02:00:49.000 --> 02:00:52.960
 potential land they're gonna fire up that GIS map and turn on all the layers

02:00:52.960 --> 02:00:59.360
 and fix it that way so I you know in in you know in the same vein of the previous

02:00:59.360 --> 02:01:03.720
 item that I said you know I think having that type of information available on a

02:01:03.720 --> 02:01:09.240
 GIS map online is a great asset for transparency but I'm hesitant to sign us

02:01:09.240 --> 02:01:14.300
 up for you know constant updates of the PDF output of this plan that has to keep

02:01:14.300 --> 02:01:19.360
 getting posted to the to the website every two months well and along those

02:01:19.360 --> 02:01:23.280
 lines in in great observation with respect to the GIS tool and you're right

02:01:23.280 --> 02:01:29.040
 so the intention and I believe Ed spoke to this is this the land preservation

02:01:29.040 --> 02:01:32.760
 plan would be included within our comprehensive plan document right right

02:01:32.760 --> 02:01:37.000
 behind the future land use map where we have it just because you saw the

02:01:37.000 --> 02:01:40.120
 complexity of the graphic with all of the different colors and shadings and

02:01:40.120 --> 02:01:42.720
 what have you being applied it really makes it difficult to be able to use it

02:01:42.720 --> 02:01:46.760
 from that standpoint so from a printed standpoint in the document or a PDF

02:01:46.760 --> 02:01:52.040
 version if you will the maps will be right there next to each other but we do

02:01:52.040 --> 02:01:54.760
 take those maps and have the ability then to be able to put that information

02:01:54.760 --> 02:02:00.440
 on our GIS interactive map just like we have the 2030 plan out there we have our

02:02:00.440 --> 02:02:04.000
 mobility plan that's out there we have zoning information that's out there and

02:02:04.000 --> 02:02:08.840
 in utility information you know someone can layer on all as much information as

02:02:08.840 --> 02:02:11.600
 they want or the least amount of information that they're interested in

02:02:11.600 --> 02:02:16.680
 having but it's but but with these documents though being adopted as part

02:02:16.680 --> 02:02:20.720
 of the plan then you know they remain as is unless we do for example some

02:02:20.720 --> 02:02:24.480
 additional area planning then if we're doing it area plans then we'll add that

02:02:24.480 --> 02:02:28.120
 layer of information and presumably would amend the comprehensive plan so

02:02:28.120 --> 02:02:31.520
 it's not necessarily something that we're going to be amending every few

02:02:31.520 --> 02:02:36.000
 months or so but as we get certain action items accomplished that may warrant

02:02:36.000 --> 02:02:40.760
 an update of the map you know that's the time frame in which that would occur

02:02:40.760 --> 02:02:50.360
 thanks Tino anything else okay I think we can move along thanks

02:02:55.600 --> 02:03:00.460
 thank you chair so now we're going to move into that detailed discussion

02:03:00.460 --> 02:03:05.280
 about the future land use map and kind of walk through some of the more major

02:03:05.280 --> 02:03:09.600
 changes that have occurred or been proposed between the 2030 plan and the

02:03:09.600 --> 02:03:13.480
 2040 plan because there's been a couple different changes as we've talked about

02:03:13.480 --> 02:03:18.880
 at previous work sessions to this map notably we've there are new land use

02:03:18.880 --> 02:03:22.520
 designations which we'll talk a little bit about but then also some of the land

02:03:22.520 --> 02:03:26.000
 use designations in different areas of community have been changed in response

02:03:26.000 --> 02:03:32.680
 to emerging development trends a preferred pattern of growth and a number

02:03:32.680 --> 02:03:36.360
 of other issues so I'll just kind of walk through those one by one down first

02:03:36.360 --> 02:03:41.840
 these are these seven different areas that will kind of drill into and talk a

02:03:41.840 --> 02:03:47.000
 little bit more detailed about just for comparison sake and I'll flip between

02:03:47.000 --> 02:03:53.920
 these two slides a couple times this is the 2030 showing those same seven areas

02:03:53.920 --> 02:03:59.720
 and then here we go back to the 2040 and I'll like I said I'll go through this a

02:03:59.720 --> 02:04:02.520
 couple times just to show those different areas and then I have some

02:04:02.520 --> 02:04:09.800
 detailed slides that follow where we can talk about the those particular areas in

02:04:09.800 --> 02:04:13.160
 close-up fashion just so you can see a little bit more detail for the areas

02:04:13.160 --> 02:04:21.360
 that are being proposed to be changed okay so with the north detail this is

02:04:21.360 --> 02:04:27.000
 the north end of the community includes mostly areas with that are annexed into

02:04:27.000 --> 02:04:33.080
 the city of Denton but a little bit of the ETJ area as well for number one this

02:04:33.080 --> 02:04:39.120
 is an area that through discussions with the community examining development

02:04:39.120 --> 02:04:44.760
 trends as well as communicating with the economic development team this is an area

02:04:44.760 --> 02:04:49.880
 where the type of development that's moving forward seems to be more aligned

02:04:49.880 --> 02:04:54.360
 with a light industrial type land uses and the activities associated with

02:04:54.360 --> 02:04:57.960
 marketing for that area are moving in that direction as well that area was

02:04:57.960 --> 02:05:03.080
 previously illustrated on the 2030 plan as a big chunk of business innovation one

02:05:03.080 --> 02:05:07.320
 of the things that's changed with the land use designation name of business

02:05:07.320 --> 02:05:10.480
 innovation is that in light of the comments we've received we're going to

02:05:10.480 --> 02:05:14.320
 clarify that it's going to be identified as business center and I'll explain that

02:05:14.320 --> 02:05:20.100
 a little bit more later but for the purposes of examining that area number

02:05:20.100 --> 02:05:24.840
 one you can see that a larger area has been designated as light industrial than

02:05:24.840 --> 02:05:29.680
 was shown as business innovation on the 2030 plan and that on that and like I

02:05:29.680 --> 02:05:35.520
 said that light industrial designation is reflecting the future loop 288

02:05:35.520 --> 02:05:39.960
 extension the fact that there's a rail line running through that area some of

02:05:39.960 --> 02:05:43.080
 the existing development trends that are moving in that area and the economic

02:05:43.080 --> 02:05:46.200
 development efforts that are in that area as well and really this becomes

02:05:46.200 --> 02:05:51.240
 another employment focus area for the community moving forward that has land

02:05:51.240 --> 02:05:55.560
 uses that may not be quite as intense as you would find say in the industrial

02:05:55.560 --> 02:05:58.920
 commerce land use district around the airport so this would be stuff that's

02:05:58.920 --> 02:06:05.720
 more along the lines of warehousing business park assembly maybe some light

02:06:05.720 --> 02:06:11.080
 manufacturing and then those supportive uses for those areas such as business to

02:06:11.080 --> 02:06:16.800
 business type businesses you know for sales restaurants and things like that

02:06:16.800 --> 02:06:20.720
 that might support the workers that are in that area on a more limited fashion

02:06:20.720 --> 02:06:25.800
 so that's that's the intent with the changes on one I did mention that

02:06:25.800 --> 02:06:32.160
 business innovation had been renamed and the business innovation led to a lot of

02:06:32.160 --> 02:06:35.680
 interpretation about what that means if you just hear the name business

02:06:35.680 --> 02:06:39.800
 innovation it's difficult to know what kind of land uses are actually intended

02:06:39.800 --> 02:06:43.960
 there it's being the land use description was revised to be a little

02:06:43.960 --> 02:06:49.360
 bit more descriptive about how it would be developed into a modern employment

02:06:49.360 --> 02:06:53.480
 centers for the community largely composed of those office uses but it

02:06:53.480 --> 02:06:57.440
 could also be a mixed-use environment and in renaming it to business center

02:06:57.440 --> 02:07:02.920
 and helps to redefine that these are intended to be as well centers of

02:07:02.920 --> 02:07:09.400
 employment more office driven but employment in the community at large so

02:07:09.400 --> 02:07:14.200
 moving on to number two this is reflecting an ongoing development

02:07:14.200 --> 02:07:17.760
 pattern either through construction that's occurring now or projects that

02:07:17.760 --> 02:07:22.420
 are moving through the process or have been approved in the process or some

02:07:22.420 --> 02:07:27.280
 point of subdivision review so you'll see that there's been light or low

02:07:27.280 --> 02:07:32.440
 density residential added within the city of Denton's boundaries as well as

02:07:32.440 --> 02:07:38.520
 into the ETJ just on that I guess that bottom left corner of the box for number

02:07:38.520 --> 02:07:43.960
 two which is a change from the 2030 plan and like I said this was reflecting the

02:07:43.960 --> 02:07:47.240
 ongoing development pattern that's occurring there as well as the projects

02:07:47.240 --> 02:07:51.160
 that are coming forward in that area so this is one of the few spots in the ETJ

02:07:51.160 --> 02:07:54.800
 much like the MUDS where low density residential is being introduced because

02:07:54.800 --> 02:07:59.160
 of the certainty of development pattern and Denton's desire to just continue to

02:07:59.160 --> 02:08:04.200
 encourage that conformance with the comprehensive plan moving forward there

02:08:04.200 --> 02:08:12.160
 if I move on I'm gonna move on to the southwest portion of the community this

02:08:12.160 --> 02:08:16.520
 is really centered over hunter and coal ranch and there's a couple couple

02:08:16.520 --> 02:08:23.000
 changes illustrated number five loop 288 is intended to be routed through the

02:08:23.000 --> 02:08:29.780
 western side of our on the western side of the Denton Airport and there is an

02:08:29.780 --> 02:08:34.240
 opportunity there to capitalize on that transportation corridor as well as the

02:08:34.240 --> 02:08:40.020
 proximity to the airport for industrial or industrial commerce type uses so

02:08:40.020 --> 02:08:46.960
 that's been expanded into that western side area that loop 288 does go through

02:08:46.960 --> 02:08:51.060
 hunter coal ranch and one thing you'll notice with hunter and coal ranch is

02:08:51.060 --> 02:08:54.640
 that and we've talked about this at a previous work session is that the land

02:08:54.640 --> 02:08:58.840
 use designation has been changed from showing a multitude of different land

02:08:58.840 --> 02:09:03.600
 uses that are defined in those master plan documents to using a singular color

02:09:03.600 --> 02:09:09.060
 and the reason for that again was that by illustrating it with one color it's

02:09:09.060 --> 02:09:14.680
 making it very clear that there is a more refined and specific land use plan

02:09:14.680 --> 02:09:19.320
 that exists and has been reviewed through a separate process through the

02:09:19.320 --> 02:09:23.120
 City Council and Planning and Zoning Commission that describes those land

02:09:23.120 --> 02:09:26.120
 uses and the densities and characteristics of those land uses to a

02:09:26.120 --> 02:09:31.000
 much finer grain detail than what would normally be found and at a general or

02:09:31.000 --> 02:09:35.440
 comprehensive plan level so that's been a change that's moved forward this will

02:09:35.440 --> 02:09:38.680
 help simplify the process a little bit and ensure that there's no confusion

02:09:38.680 --> 02:09:43.020
 that you know multiple applications are needed to amend not only the master plan

02:09:43.020 --> 02:09:47.960
 but also the comp plan this is this is the comp plan deferring to those more

02:09:47.960 --> 02:09:52.960
 refined and detailed planning documents the other part that's been changed is

02:09:52.960 --> 02:09:58.060
 that there's been some adjustments to the land use mix on the east side of 35

02:09:58.060 --> 02:10:02.880
 West in response to providing a more complete community more diverse housing

02:10:02.880 --> 02:10:08.520
 options trying to establish a commercial or mixed use center to support this

02:10:08.520 --> 02:10:14.160
 area that's not within the master plan community as well along I along 35 West

02:10:14.160 --> 02:10:18.560
 and so those are the major changes that have been proposed between the 2030 plan

02:10:18.560 --> 02:10:24.920
 on the left and the 2040 plan on the right moving on to the southeast detail

02:10:24.920 --> 02:10:28.840
 which includes the downtown area I'll actually start with number seven the

02:10:28.840 --> 02:10:34.960
 downtown through the discussions with the community and others it was

02:10:34.960 --> 02:10:40.800
 recommended that the Denton downtown area be expanded to incorporate more of

02:10:40.800 --> 02:10:45.160
 the transitional areas meaning more of the areas surrounding the downtown which

02:10:45.160 --> 02:10:52.000
 could be more holistically to borrow a word for Becky planned so that the

02:10:52.000 --> 02:10:56.500
 neighborhoods and the downtown area the transit areas and gateways and the

02:10:56.500 --> 02:11:00.760
 interfaces between downtown and the universities can be planned under the

02:11:00.760 --> 02:11:08.240
 the context of a singular area plan document as those area plans are

02:11:08.240 --> 02:11:14.160
 developed and refined for these special places in Denton so that's why you see

02:11:14.160 --> 02:11:18.680
 those changes proposed around the downtown area for number three that was

02:11:18.680 --> 02:11:24.480
 a change which is a reflective of the ongoing development pattern in that area

02:11:24.480 --> 02:11:28.920
 which is more of an elite industrial approach rather than a business

02:11:28.920 --> 02:11:34.120
 innovation approach or mixed-use approach so those land uses have been

02:11:34.120 --> 02:11:38.800
 adjusted accordingly for number four the same thing applies the development

02:11:38.800 --> 02:11:44.040
 pattern in that area has moved within the city's annexed areas to be more

02:11:44.040 --> 02:11:48.560
 aligned with low density residential development and not the lower density

02:11:48.560 --> 02:11:53.920
 rural style development that was illustrated in the 2030 plan and so that

02:11:53.920 --> 02:11:58.200
 was a change that was made to match that ongoing development pattern that will

02:11:58.200 --> 02:12:06.500
 persist through the horizon of this plan so that summarizes many of the changes to

02:12:06.500 --> 02:12:10.880
 the future land use map and we wanted to include this map as well which is the

02:12:10.880 --> 02:12:15.000
 preferred growth scenario map and previous work sessions we indicated that

02:12:15.000 --> 02:12:18.200
 there was no proposed changes to this because it was still a valid document

02:12:18.200 --> 02:12:25.000
 and that still remains true today this is largely the same as what was preferred

02:12:25.000 --> 02:12:31.520
 by the community through those extensive outreach efforts in 2030 so in the

02:12:31.520 --> 02:12:39.080
 2040 map the change that has taken place is around that northern the north west

02:12:39.080 --> 02:12:47.120
 little bit northeast corner of the 288 and I 35 down to University Drive that's

02:12:47.120 --> 02:12:51.400
 been shaded purple and the reason for that is to be consistent with the future

02:12:51.400 --> 02:12:56.200
 land-use map which illustrates the light industrial and business innovation in

02:12:56.200 --> 02:13:00.960
 that area so that is one of the areas that's been changed as an expansion of

02:13:00.960 --> 02:13:07.040
 an employment focus area for the community moving through the year 2040 so

02:13:07.040 --> 02:13:12.160
 in the effort of full transparency this was this map is going to be modified to

02:13:12.160 --> 02:13:16.640
 show that we are in process of cleaning that up and making a little bit more

02:13:16.640 --> 02:13:21.160
 clear but otherwise the integrity of the rest of this preferred growth scenario

02:13:21.160 --> 02:13:25.200
 map which was reviewed by the community remains identical to what was

02:13:25.200 --> 02:13:30.480
 illustrated through the 2030 plan and provided to the community for a review

02:13:30.480 --> 02:13:36.560
 through the community engagement for this plan and so with that I'll open this

02:13:36.560 --> 02:13:40.440
 up for any discussion direction that you might have

02:13:43.600 --> 02:13:51.040
 thanks and we do have a few questions I'll just say thank you for renaming

02:13:51.040 --> 02:13:55.360
 business innovation years ago on my first year on this Commission I asked

02:13:55.360 --> 02:13:59.040
 for definition of that and I'm still waiting because no one ever had one so

02:13:59.040 --> 02:14:05.800
 we have needed that to be something else and I welcome Business Center anyway

02:14:05.800 --> 02:14:11.560
 Commissioner McDade thank you madam chair if you could go back to the

02:14:11.560 --> 02:14:20.120
 preferred scenario growth map I'm looking at something that really disturbs me I'm

02:14:20.120 --> 02:14:28.160
 looking at the the downtown Denton and I'm looking at I'm looking at the circle

02:14:28.160 --> 02:14:33.040
 as if it's a square but I see on the eastern side it goes all the way out to

02:14:33.040 --> 02:14:43.400
 Woodrow and what disturbs me is that entire circle encases all of southeast

02:14:43.400 --> 02:14:51.320
 Denton and my concern is I know we're talking about 2040 but is there any way

02:14:51.320 --> 02:14:55.240
 you could tell me I mean it may be the next 18 years what the plan is for

02:14:55.240 --> 02:15:00.120
 downtown Denton because I've been to quite a few downtowns in bigger cities

02:15:00.120 --> 02:15:06.360
 where low residential is not there and if that's a low residential neighborhood

02:15:06.360 --> 02:15:12.640
 I'm concerned that in the next 18 years it's not gonna be low residential anymore

02:15:12.640 --> 02:15:18.680
 it's gonna be pretty much what most downtown areas are in other cities so

02:15:18.680 --> 02:15:23.560
 I'm happy to take that question great observation council or excuse me

02:15:23.560 --> 02:15:29.760
 Commissioner McDade so the the circle if you will is just to denote that this is

02:15:29.760 --> 02:15:34.760
 an area of town that would be anticipated to have higher density

02:15:34.760 --> 02:15:39.520
 development that happens I would not equate that to what you see down in

02:15:39.520 --> 02:15:45.080
 Dallas I think if anything some better comparable examples might be you know

02:15:45.080 --> 02:15:49.200
 what you may found find in downtown Plano for example with some of the infill

02:15:49.200 --> 02:15:52.560
 development that they've had there you know as it relates specifically to

02:15:52.560 --> 02:15:58.200
 southeast Denton again this is just to illustrate that this is an area of town

02:15:58.200 --> 02:16:01.600
 in our downtown where we would anticipate seeing additional growth and

02:16:01.600 --> 02:16:04.680
 development and the reason for that predominantly would be the fact that

02:16:04.680 --> 02:16:10.840
 we have the DCTA station there also with the the businesses that we have in the

02:16:10.840 --> 02:16:14.720
 downtown area providing additional population to be able to support those

02:16:14.720 --> 02:16:18.880
 but let's take this the next step further again so this is high-level map

02:16:18.880 --> 02:16:24.960
 illustrating areas in the community just like you can see some other areas where

02:16:24.960 --> 02:16:30.000
 there's the darker darker circles shown to illustrate some greater density of

02:16:30.000 --> 02:16:34.440
 development we really see that the future for southeast Denton is to do

02:16:34.440 --> 02:16:38.640
 that area plan and I know if we're successful getting the comprehensive

02:16:38.640 --> 02:16:44.520
 plan adopted on on March 1st then we're immediately going to shift into

02:16:44.520 --> 02:16:48.840
 prioritizing which areas of the community where we believe we need to do

02:16:48.840 --> 02:16:54.640
 the area plans that allows for us to be able to take a deeper dive finer grain

02:16:54.640 --> 02:17:00.440
 analysis into southeast Denton and engage the community and hear from the

02:17:00.440 --> 02:17:06.400
 community as to what type of development they would like to see if any if they

02:17:06.400 --> 02:17:10.640
 would rather maintain status quo with more low density residential being the

02:17:10.640 --> 02:17:13.280
 predominant land use if they're interested in having additional

02:17:13.280 --> 02:17:17.880
 commercial uses that are brought into the area but doing that finer level

02:17:17.880 --> 02:17:22.680
 analysis at that point but again this map is just to illustrate areas within

02:17:22.680 --> 02:17:28.440
 the community where when when the 2030 plan was created there was an extensive

02:17:28.440 --> 02:17:33.680
 amount of public engagement and these areas in general not specific but in in

02:17:33.680 --> 02:17:39.360
 general were identified that we would have more intense development within

02:17:39.360 --> 02:17:44.360
 that area or higher densities of development but I would say do not equate

02:17:44.360 --> 02:17:49.360
 downtown Denton to becoming like a downtown Dallas thanks Dean I think Scott

02:17:49.360 --> 02:17:54.600
 has something to add he just arrived at the podium as you thank you mr.

02:17:54.600 --> 02:18:01.840
 Commissioner McDade the this is the same map that was in the 2030 plan and then

02:18:01.840 --> 02:18:06.280
 that circle isn't necessarily a borderline it's a dashed circle and

02:18:06.280 --> 02:18:10.720
 really indicating numerous centers across and around the city that we have

02:18:10.720 --> 02:18:17.240
 focal points I would say that that circle is probably grander in nature than what

02:18:17.240 --> 02:18:22.320
 it would take in if you look at it even to the north to the west it's taking in

02:18:22.320 --> 02:18:26.720
 residential areas that really will not change it's just that general when we

02:18:26.720 --> 02:18:31.200
 talk about the core the center of the city is illustrating that and then just

02:18:31.200 --> 02:18:36.280
 different sized circles throughout the map so I wouldn't say that it encompasses

02:18:36.280 --> 02:18:41.840
 particular areas in particular okay because I guess my way I guess my biggest

02:18:41.840 --> 02:18:48.580
 concern was when I'll use 2030 as an example you know maybe 75% of all the

02:18:48.580 --> 02:18:56.240
 homeowners in southeast inner 65 plus so in 2030 pretty much most of them are

02:18:56.240 --> 02:19:03.880
 still going to be around my concern was 2040 I mean I'll be 75 and I know a lot

02:19:03.880 --> 02:19:08.160
 of the homeowners God will they won't be with us off I was only impression that

02:19:08.160 --> 02:19:13.480
 it would be easier for the city to come in and just I'm not gonna say what I'm

02:19:13.480 --> 02:19:17.860
 saying is I don't want to see a Quaker town revisited I mean that's the

02:19:17.860 --> 02:19:22.040
 concern we have over there right now this is really this this has really

02:19:22.040 --> 02:19:26.760
 nothing more to do than to say where it is that these development centers are

02:19:26.760 --> 02:19:32.420
 and a lot of its current so when I reference the 2030 plan that means this

02:19:32.420 --> 02:19:37.320
 map is the same as the map that was five years ago from all the public input and

02:19:37.320 --> 02:19:42.520
 all the citizen input that we had we've made some changes to the map but that's

02:19:42.520 --> 02:19:48.440
 not one of the changes that we made to the map so it isn't it isn't changing

02:19:48.440 --> 02:19:52.320
 anything that we've been doing or that we plan to do and it certainly isn't

02:19:52.320 --> 02:20:01.320
 targeting neighborhoods in any way shape or form all right thank you thank you

02:20:01.320 --> 02:20:06.200
 any other questions Commissioner Prud thank you chair I'll just share real

02:20:06.200 --> 02:20:11.280
 briefly I'm in favor of the sort of brown NPC designation but my reasoning

02:20:11.280 --> 02:20:14.400
 is a little bit different than what I've heard before and that's because when we

02:20:14.400 --> 02:20:19.640
 look at the the broad future land use map it makes sense that the core that's

02:20:19.640 --> 02:20:23.880
 already developed has more granular uses and more granular future uses because

02:20:23.880 --> 02:20:28.200
 it's already developed and then as you look toward the outside the older map

02:20:28.200 --> 02:20:33.880
 that had the specific land uses agreed to in those NPCs kind of made it appear

02:20:33.880 --> 02:20:39.160
 to me that those areas we wanted lots of mixes of uses whereas these other areas

02:20:39.160 --> 02:20:43.640
 that were designated medium residential or low residential we wanted only that

02:20:43.640 --> 02:20:47.880
 for a very large area of land and I think some of the changes that we see in

02:20:47.880 --> 02:20:55.000
 the comp plan suggest that that thought has has shifted and so by by showing the

02:20:55.000 --> 02:20:58.880
 large brown areas were more clearly showing that hey these outlying areas

02:20:58.880 --> 02:21:03.800
 are general guidance and we'll we'll get to some of the more specific goals as we

02:21:03.800 --> 02:21:11.120
 get to the smaller area plans and that sort of thing thanks mr. Perot any other

02:21:11.120 --> 02:21:19.560
 discussion questions comments on this section okay I do not see any we can

02:21:19.560 --> 02:21:23.680
 mr. commission or excuse me I'm chairwoman Ellis if I could for just a

02:21:23.680 --> 02:21:27.520
 moment because I want to make sure that we address the question that was raised

02:21:27.520 --> 02:21:31.120
 from the Commission back on the January 26th and I believe may have been

02:21:31.120 --> 02:21:36.160
 Commissioner Cole who asked this question and if not Commissioner Cole the

02:21:36.160 --> 02:21:41.000
 Commissioner Anderson and that was with respect to the northwest part of town I

02:21:41.000 --> 02:21:47.000
 know it was asked of staff why the light industrial designation extending into

02:21:47.000 --> 02:21:52.840
 the ETJ boundaries adjacent to the city of Crom and so we floated that with

02:21:52.840 --> 02:21:58.360
 council yesterday and pointed that out there was no effort there was no appetite

02:21:58.360 --> 02:22:02.040
 to be able to change that you know other than to say that we need to look out at

02:22:02.040 --> 02:22:06.120
 what's in the best interest of Denton and what our needs are so hence why we

02:22:06.120 --> 02:22:10.280
 have not made that land use map change I did not want you to think that we think

02:22:10.280 --> 02:22:13.640
 that we're being non-responsive to the planning and zoning Commission but just

02:22:13.640 --> 02:22:19.320
 to provide that additional information thanks Tina appreciate that once again

02:22:19.320 --> 02:22:25.680
 another reason why small airplanes are such a good idea okay let's go ahead and

02:22:25.680 --> 02:22:34.760
 continue thank you chair all right and as Tina had noted earlier when we began

02:22:34.760 --> 02:22:38.280
 this presentation this is the fun stuff this is the rubber meets the road stuff

02:22:38.280 --> 02:22:42.960
 this is where the culmination of all this review of information and planning

02:22:42.960 --> 02:22:47.520
 and policy comes together and we're gonna need this we're gonna need the

02:22:47.520 --> 02:23:00.480
 graphic again the slides are much more interesting all right well this is the

02:23:00.480 --> 02:23:04.480
 implementation piece this is that really the the exciting part of the plan that

02:23:04.480 --> 02:23:11.000
 changes the plan from being one where it's just a coffee table book it just

02:23:11.000 --> 02:23:15.040
 talks you know of all these great things that the city's got vision for and it

02:23:15.040 --> 02:23:19.360
 takes that vision and it implements it it makes it a useful document that can

02:23:19.360 --> 02:23:26.600
 be implemented over time and give some direction for how to broadly approach

02:23:26.600 --> 02:23:31.320
 implementation or actions and implement those actions for this plan to make that

02:23:31.320 --> 02:23:38.720
 vision a reality and as Tina noted there's 270 separate actions in this

02:23:38.720 --> 02:23:43.600
 comprehensive plan update and many of them can be categorized as ongoing stuff

02:23:43.600 --> 02:23:48.240
 that Denton does today my interagency coordination you know regular review of

02:23:48.240 --> 02:23:52.720
 policies or whatever else it might be and then there's the short-term stuff and

02:23:52.720 --> 02:23:57.800
 this is the the the items that should be acted upon and within the next several

02:23:57.800 --> 02:24:02.960
 years midterm midterm five to ten years and long term stuff that might not

02:24:02.960 --> 02:24:09.520
 initiate until ten years or more out the specificity of each of these actions

02:24:09.520 --> 02:24:16.900
 although generally broad gets a little bit more less detailed the longer the

02:24:16.900 --> 02:24:21.200
 horizon out because there's less certainty about how those should be

02:24:21.200 --> 02:24:24.960
 approached but the general concepts of how these actions should be implemented

02:24:24.960 --> 02:24:31.480
 still remain each of these actions are identified in the implementation action

02:24:31.480 --> 02:24:35.360
 table and they have several different elements that inform them and then and

02:24:35.360 --> 02:24:41.440
 these are I guess broader descriptions of what those actions could be in terms

02:24:41.440 --> 02:24:45.520
 of you know one it's gonna identify the key action so if the key action is you

02:24:45.520 --> 02:24:54.000
 know develop a new urban design code then that will be the action that will

02:24:54.000 --> 02:24:59.120
 be in there now that action would be supported by certain policies so the

02:24:59.120 --> 02:25:04.840
 action table also shows you which policies support that action the action

02:25:04.840 --> 02:25:09.360
 type in the table says okay what are those what kind of read what kind of

02:25:09.360 --> 02:25:12.880
 action is this is this a regulatory action is this a partnership is this a

02:25:12.880 --> 02:25:18.280
 program is this a policy just to give a little bit more frame of reference for

02:25:18.280 --> 02:25:21.880
 what that action might be time frame as we described before that's established

02:25:21.880 --> 02:25:27.960
 based upon the urgency to act upon those or if an action that's accomplished

02:25:27.960 --> 02:25:34.560
 early supports an action that would be taken later within the 24 horizon

02:25:34.560 --> 02:25:39.960
 responsible part department and agency this makes sure that the different

02:25:39.960 --> 02:25:43.800
 departments within the city of Denton for different agencies that work with

02:25:43.800 --> 02:25:50.440
 the city of Denton are aware of their role in helping to lead and spearhead

02:25:50.440 --> 02:25:55.800
 these actions to move them forward and in almost every case you can't

02:25:55.800 --> 02:25:59.680
 accomplish things by yourself and in a bubble either through an agency or

02:25:59.680 --> 02:26:03.560
 department you need partners to support that so many of these actions also

02:26:03.560 --> 02:26:09.400
 identify those partners that would be co-leading or supporting these actions

02:26:09.400 --> 02:26:16.280
 to see them through and being achieved by the community so one of the ways I

02:26:16.280 --> 02:26:24.360
 just was this was described to City Council was that these actions really

02:26:24.360 --> 02:26:31.400
 constitute something like a recipe I mean it tells you that you need eggs it

02:26:31.400 --> 02:26:34.240
 tells you you need you need to have potatoes it tells you I need to have

02:26:34.240 --> 02:26:38.400
 some sausage in order to make breakfast I'm hoping not making it very hungry but

02:26:38.400 --> 02:26:42.800
 you guys did just eat so you should be okay but uh it tells you you need these

02:26:42.800 --> 02:26:46.000
 ingredients and tells you you need a frying pan and it tells you you need an

02:26:46.000 --> 02:26:50.360
 oven but it doesn't say how do you cook the eggs I mean are you gonna use a

02:26:50.360 --> 02:26:53.560
 certain temperature are you gonna whisk the eggs are you gonna dice the onions

02:26:53.560 --> 02:26:58.220
 are you going to bake the potatoes are you gonna fry them that those details

02:26:58.220 --> 02:27:04.600
 that level of detail is not appropriate for the implementation table because that

02:27:04.600 --> 02:27:09.200
 is stuff that gets determined after this comprehensive plans established the

02:27:09.200 --> 02:27:12.680
 comprehensive plan is providing that broader scope saying these are the

02:27:12.680 --> 02:27:16.040
 general actions that need to be accomplished but we don't need to know at

02:27:16.040 --> 02:27:22.920
 this point nor is it appropriate at this point for the the fine detail of how to

02:27:22.920 --> 02:27:26.960
 get it done to be identified what's important is that there's actions that

02:27:26.960 --> 02:27:31.380
 may be done and there's certain elements that need to be addressed so we're

02:27:31.380 --> 02:27:35.600
 putting it together here's your recipe later go figure out how you're going to

02:27:35.600 --> 02:27:41.560
 cook it so the city staff and working in conjunction with yourselves a city

02:27:41.560 --> 02:27:47.600
 council and other entities will figure out the exact way to approach these

02:27:47.600 --> 02:27:52.520
 actions for the benefit of debt in the most effective way so what I wanted to

02:27:52.520 --> 02:27:58.240
 show next was a couple slides that show some of the actions that are in the

02:27:58.240 --> 02:28:03.240
 implementation table that's in the comprehensive plan update right now and

02:28:03.240 --> 02:28:07.920
 some of these include you know on the left-hand side you'll see some general

02:28:07.920 --> 02:28:13.720
 categories of actions that are important to the community that will probably be

02:28:13.720 --> 02:28:18.680
 pursued in the short term or ongoing horizon so these are just provided for

02:28:18.680 --> 02:28:23.840
 examples they're not categorized this way in the plan all the actions are

02:28:23.840 --> 02:28:29.480
 listed in the implementation table by the element of which they are found in

02:28:29.480 --> 02:28:35.280
 the plan but the policies that support those actions tend to be found

02:28:35.280 --> 02:28:38.600
 throughout the document further illustrating those that relationship

02:28:38.600 --> 02:28:42.000
 between the different elements of the document to support an action but in

02:28:42.000 --> 02:28:45.120
 general I just wanted to kind of go through at a high level really quick

02:28:45.120 --> 02:28:49.880
 some of these implementation actions such as to describe how that relates to

02:28:49.880 --> 02:28:54.600
 what I just described before the action that has a key action but the one in the

02:28:54.600 --> 02:28:59.280
 lighter shading purple you know this is an action that we want to revise those

02:28:59.280 --> 02:29:02.800
 that those zoning districts to be consistent with the future land uses and

02:29:02.800 --> 02:29:07.480
 so this is really something that the city would be examining on an ongoing

02:29:07.480 --> 02:29:11.000
 basis to make sure that there's an alignment between the comp plan and the

02:29:11.000 --> 02:29:14.480
 zoning code our zoning the zoning districts making sure there's an

02:29:14.480 --> 02:29:18.580
 alignment split the preferred growth concept looking for ways to improve and

02:29:18.580 --> 02:29:22.680
 streamline the development process and so on so there's a lot of different

02:29:22.680 --> 02:29:28.500
 components to this action they're all supported by those policies or related

02:29:28.500 --> 02:29:32.800
 actions they're all identified in the second column and you can see that

02:29:32.800 --> 02:29:37.000
 they're in a couple different sec elements of this comprehensive plan what

02:29:37.000 --> 02:29:39.800
 kind of activities as well as the regulatory actions because it's going to

02:29:39.800 --> 02:29:44.040
 improve the review process or it's going to improve the use of the code or find

02:29:44.040 --> 02:29:47.520
 alignment between plans it's something that should be occurring in the short

02:29:47.520 --> 02:29:51.840
 term in a zero to three-year range who's going to be managing it on this case

02:29:51.840 --> 02:29:55.640
 particular case planning and development be managing it it will be their

02:29:55.640 --> 02:29:58.920
 partners or yourselves the planning and zoning Commission be part of that

02:29:58.920 --> 02:30:03.040
 partnership to make sure that this actions implemented in the right way now

02:30:03.040 --> 02:30:06.240
 what if this doesn't show like I said before is it doesn't tell you how to do

02:30:06.240 --> 02:30:09.480
 it exactly it just says these are the things that need to be accomplished this

02:30:09.480 --> 02:30:13.000
 is who needs to do it this is the time frame this is why you do it this is

02:30:13.000 --> 02:30:17.880
 supported by these policies and here's who can help you get it done moving on

02:30:17.880 --> 02:30:21.840
 infill the same thing you know there's an action that's on the short term you

02:30:21.840 --> 02:30:25.400
 know doing an infill inventory and we've actually got a little discussion about

02:30:25.400 --> 02:30:32.360
 something similar to this on a future slide related to infill and you can see

02:30:32.360 --> 02:30:36.280
 the same element supply you know who's your responsible agencies the time frame

02:30:36.280 --> 02:30:40.640
 and so on the next slide shows this is open space and preservation this is

02:30:40.640 --> 02:30:47.160
 really related to how in these particular examples how regulation can

02:30:47.160 --> 02:30:50.320
 help promote that conservation or preservation so this would be applicable

02:30:50.320 --> 02:30:55.360
 mostly to development on subdivisions things like that for both of these items

02:30:55.360 --> 02:31:00.400
 but there's also a component for implementation for open space and parks

02:31:00.400 --> 02:31:04.560
 that the public actions it's related to the planning and partnerships and in

02:31:04.560 --> 02:31:12.040
 ways to strategize to acquire land for that public benefit of preservation

02:31:12.040 --> 02:31:16.040
 creating those trail corridors preserving floodways and floodplains

02:31:16.040 --> 02:31:19.800
 identifying those historical or sensitive lands that are important to

02:31:19.800 --> 02:31:24.280
 the community and so that would be a responsibility not enough planning and

02:31:24.280 --> 02:31:27.360
 zoning but it's really driven by the Parks and Recreation Trails Master Plan

02:31:27.360 --> 02:31:31.560
 and Parks and Recreation they would be the primary lead for this and their

02:31:31.560 --> 02:31:33.880
 policies that support it and it's something that should be done on an

02:31:33.880 --> 02:31:38.600
 ongoing basis especially since that plan is just moving through the process and

02:31:38.600 --> 02:31:43.960
 tracking along with this comp plan and the mobility plan and then finally

02:31:43.960 --> 02:31:49.160
 multimodal mobility the mobility plan which is ongoing currently so it's

02:31:49.160 --> 02:31:54.760
 identified as a short-term and ongoing process because there's a direction

02:31:54.760 --> 02:31:59.680
 that'll be that's more refined in that mobility plan that's not detailed to the

02:31:59.680 --> 02:32:05.160
 same degree in this comp plan but the policies and actions and goals of this

02:32:05.160 --> 02:32:14.680
 comprehensive plan support that mobility plan and its details of analysis and

02:32:14.680 --> 02:32:20.360
 direction for implementation so this is one of those actions that shows that

02:32:20.360 --> 02:32:24.760
 relationship it's shows that support between this comp plan and the plans

02:32:24.760 --> 02:32:31.360
 that follow and there are like as I said before over 200 270 of these within the

02:32:31.360 --> 02:32:34.760
 document they have the same relationships in the way that they're

02:32:34.760 --> 02:32:39.200
 set up it's actions that are to be implemented over a certain time frame

02:32:39.200 --> 02:32:45.600
 and many of these actions are designed to support or encourage additional

02:32:45.600 --> 02:32:49.920
 planning effort or additional regulatory effort or whatever it might be to achieve

02:32:49.920 --> 02:32:54.280
 the vision of the community and so why we took a little time to walk through

02:32:54.280 --> 02:32:58.840
 this was because there was a little we want to make sure it was very clear to

02:32:58.840 --> 02:33:02.800
 the planning and zoning Commission into City Council and to others about what

02:33:02.800 --> 02:33:07.640
 the purposes of the comp plan is and how that those purposes relate to the

02:33:07.640 --> 02:33:13.000
 actions in the implementation of the plan any questions you might have happy

02:33:13.000 --> 02:33:23.440
 to receive them thank you thank you again I have to say I love the the action

02:33:23.440 --> 02:33:27.600
 table I think that's just a great addition to this I believe Commissioner

02:33:27.600 --> 02:33:34.360
 Pruitt has a question thank you just wanted to thank staff a lot for the

02:33:34.360 --> 02:33:40.880
 focus on this implementation section I know it's a large table and and updating

02:33:40.880 --> 02:33:44.320
 these things and really thinking through carefully what still applies and what

02:33:44.320 --> 02:33:50.240
 needs to change is a big task I look forward to you know seeing some some

02:33:50.240 --> 02:33:54.760
 reports and metrics as we go forward but I expect that to to take some time

02:33:54.760 --> 02:33:58.120
 right I mean some of these things we're not going to know what metrics we need

02:33:58.120 --> 02:34:01.560
 to start looking at until we complete some of those short-term actions and

02:34:01.560 --> 02:34:05.240
 then once we get those things under our belt we can have a pretty pretty good

02:34:05.240 --> 02:34:09.880
 idea of what we should track to to make sure that those actions are are having

02:34:09.880 --> 02:34:15.800
 their desired effect so I really look forward to to seeing some some good

02:34:15.800 --> 02:34:21.740
 motion toward these goals thank you yeah thank you I agree any other Commissioner

02:34:21.740 --> 02:34:28.280
 Cole thank you chair thanks you all for the hard work and both presentations

02:34:28.280 --> 02:34:33.400
 it's just a massive amount of information and you guys are just we're

02:34:33.400 --> 02:34:42.120
 lucky to have y'all and thank you for all you do thank you with regard to this

02:34:42.120 --> 02:34:49.040
 action table just to Commissioner Cole's earlier point with the wildlife study I

02:34:49.040 --> 02:34:52.800
 don't know if that is point 122 in the action plan if that's where that would

02:34:52.800 --> 02:34:59.040
 fall in but we do have that as mid you know I'd be in favor of moving that to

02:34:59.040 --> 02:35:04.720
 short especially if we're talking about saving the lives of animals and whatnot

02:35:04.720 --> 02:35:11.480
 so if that's where that does fall in I'd like to maybe have that discussion on

02:35:11.480 --> 02:35:21.040
 making that a shorter term goal any other discussion on this okay I do not

02:35:21.040 --> 02:35:26.480
 see any other questions and in Commissioner Ellis we definitely can look

02:35:26.480 --> 02:35:30.200
 into that and see if that's the appropriate location or if it needs to

02:35:30.200 --> 02:35:47.160
 be moved elsewhere refined but let us look into that okay appreciate that

02:35:47.160 --> 02:35:57.920
 you sure you ready for me to continue that I'm sorry did you ask a question I

02:35:57.920 --> 02:36:04.200
 did yes sure I was just asking if you're ready for me to continue then yes okay

02:36:04.200 --> 02:36:10.200
 thank you so I'm building on the implementation discussion and this is

02:36:10.200 --> 02:36:14.680
 the drill down that about what are those most important items that can be the

02:36:14.680 --> 02:36:19.720
 next steps for the city to move forward into and through again a much of the

02:36:19.720 --> 02:36:25.120
 discussion between City Council and yourselves over the work sessions that

02:36:25.120 --> 02:36:30.760
 we've had it's it's it's it seems that some of the priorities that are really

02:36:30.760 --> 02:36:35.440
 important to the community would be moving on to those the discussion about

02:36:35.440 --> 02:36:40.360
 area plans so throughout the implementation table there is there are

02:36:40.360 --> 02:36:45.480
 actions related to establishing area plans or examining those neighborhoods

02:36:45.480 --> 02:36:51.820
 and character areas that are important to Denton and looking to create more

02:36:51.820 --> 02:36:59.200
 refined planning approaches to those areas and what that means is that these

02:36:59.200 --> 02:37:07.120
 area plans are really that refinement that that find tooth examination of not

02:37:07.120 --> 02:37:14.380
 only the land uses but the design the streets the trails the transportation

02:37:14.380 --> 02:37:19.120
 the parts the transit all those different aspects that make it that make

02:37:19.120 --> 02:37:24.240
 those areas unique or special to the community these area plans could also

02:37:24.240 --> 02:37:29.360
 extend over areas that are focal areas for the community such as you know as

02:37:29.360 --> 02:37:32.560
 they illustrate on that focus concept area method you see on the right which

02:37:32.560 --> 02:37:38.920
 I'll show is a slightly larger diagram on the next slide those are areas where

02:37:38.920 --> 02:37:45.880
 you know there could be plans for corridors that establish character over

02:37:45.880 --> 02:37:50.720
 those corridors or special you know treatment to the roadways or whatever it

02:37:50.720 --> 02:37:56.000
 might be there's also those you know mixed-use centers that were identified

02:37:56.000 --> 02:38:02.360
 in the in the preferred growth concept map those are potential areas for focus

02:38:02.360 --> 02:38:07.520
 and further refinement through area plans so the next step is once this

02:38:07.520 --> 02:38:11.120
 comprehensive plan is moved through the hearing process and been accepted and

02:38:11.120 --> 02:38:16.940
 approved is to be really begin that analysis of of all the different areas

02:38:16.940 --> 02:38:22.680
 that are worthy of attention for additional planning and dentin what are

02:38:22.680 --> 02:38:27.160
 the priorities we there needs to there's gonna be I'm sure Tina will explain us

02:38:27.160 --> 02:38:32.160
 as well there's an intention to you know to get to work and identify that the

02:38:32.160 --> 02:38:38.240
 priorities for those area plans which ones we move forward with first the scope

02:38:38.240 --> 02:38:43.760
 what is necessary to achieve a proper vision for those area plans what kind of

02:38:43.760 --> 02:38:46.720
 timeline should that be accomplished in is it something that starts now is it

02:38:46.720 --> 02:38:51.720
 something that starts later as well as the potential for budget needs to

02:38:51.720 --> 02:38:56.920
 support those area plans in their development so this is one part of

02:38:56.920 --> 02:39:02.320
 developing a more complete community with one with more diverse housing and

02:39:02.320 --> 02:39:09.560
 the more diverse shopping employment number of employment opportunities

02:39:09.560 --> 02:39:16.120
 trying to create those you know you know the trend to implement the vision of

02:39:16.120 --> 02:39:22.240
 what Denton wants to be the second piece to this is also those actions related to

02:39:22.240 --> 02:39:29.400
 infill and redevelopment and the city of Denton already has infill standards and

02:39:29.400 --> 02:39:33.160
 redevelopment type standards in their regulations today they're within the

02:39:33.160 --> 02:39:40.080
 development code as well as other regulations the community has related to

02:39:40.080 --> 02:39:48.120
 engineering in streets and design and whatever else it's important that these

02:39:48.120 --> 02:39:53.480
 be monitored and evaluated to ensure that they're achieving the goals that

02:39:53.480 --> 02:39:57.280
 are desired by the community and there are actions there's an action in the

02:39:57.280 --> 02:40:02.880
 table related to that to making sure that the infill development standards and

02:40:02.880 --> 02:40:07.360
 the codes that are in place are supportive of this vision for balanced

02:40:07.360 --> 02:40:14.000
 growth between new growth and the infill within the community I I would like to

02:40:14.000 --> 02:40:19.160
 describe infill generally as those vacant parcels that have never really

02:40:19.160 --> 02:40:24.100
 been developed with any use that are located or surrounded by generally

02:40:24.100 --> 02:40:28.360
 developed properties meaning like a vacant lot that's surrounded by you know

02:40:28.360 --> 02:40:33.360
 residential or commercial that's an infill opportunity redevelopment

02:40:33.360 --> 02:40:38.720
 opportunities tend to be those parcels that are currently developed with the

02:40:38.720 --> 02:40:44.480
 use could be a parking lot it could be a home it could be a commercial building

02:40:44.480 --> 02:40:50.800
 on a corner and the redevelopment standards would be those standards that

02:40:50.800 --> 02:40:56.080
 help support reuse of that site so keeping the existing building in place

02:40:56.080 --> 02:41:01.120
 and being able to accommodate additional or different types of uses or the

02:41:01.120 --> 02:41:05.800
 redevelopment of you know clearing the site and then putting a new structure up

02:41:05.800 --> 02:41:10.520
 that's more in conformance with the vision and compatible with the area that

02:41:10.520 --> 02:41:15.240
 it's located in so those standards both need to be examined and evaluated to

02:41:15.240 --> 02:41:19.360
 make sure they're achieving what the city of Denton is intending moving

02:41:19.360 --> 02:41:23.880
 forward that could result in the drafting and adoption of additional

02:41:23.880 --> 02:41:27.560
 provisions and policies to make that happen especially in those cases where

02:41:27.560 --> 02:41:30.640
 we're finding that the infill standards or the redevelopment standards aren't

02:41:30.640 --> 02:41:34.840
 fully supporting the development vision for the community or they're creating

02:41:34.840 --> 02:41:41.600
 conflicts or perhaps even making it more difficult to achieve redevelopment or

02:41:41.600 --> 02:41:49.840
 infill on those sites so so with that you can see this concept area map on the

02:41:49.840 --> 02:41:54.160
 on the right and I'm gonna go to the next slide and show you the blow-up many

02:41:54.160 --> 02:42:00.160
 this is largely again something that was introduced as being unchanged from the

02:42:00.160 --> 02:42:04.880
 2030 plan because when it was reviewed by the community and staff and other

02:42:04.880 --> 02:42:10.200
 entities if it was shown to still be valid and in conformance with the vision

02:42:10.200 --> 02:42:17.740
 these focus areas you know are those opportunities for that enhanced area

02:42:17.740 --> 02:42:21.720
 planning but they're not the only ones there could be additional areas or they

02:42:21.720 --> 02:42:30.240
 may not represent the exact size as mr. McDonald Scott McDonald's noting earlier

02:42:30.240 --> 02:42:35.840
 is that these you know these are figurative dashed circles that kind of

02:42:35.840 --> 02:42:39.760
 illustrate the general area of where an area plan could take place but not

02:42:39.760 --> 02:42:45.440
 necessarily a hard boundary the purple rings that are added to this are

02:42:45.440 --> 02:42:49.160
 additional areas in light of the discussions that have occurred recently

02:42:49.160 --> 02:42:53.960
 where there could be potential area plans as well notably at the intersection

02:42:53.960 --> 02:43:02.400
 of 35 and 288 the northeast part of Denton as well as the southeast part of

02:43:02.400 --> 02:43:08.360
 Denton which was also brought up today as being an area of concern so those are

02:43:08.360 --> 02:43:12.120
 potential area plan locations those purple areas are those potential areas

02:43:12.120 --> 02:43:18.400
 that may be of a higher priority right now but that discussion you know remains

02:43:18.400 --> 02:43:23.640
 to take place at the conclusion of this process to adopt this comprehensive plan

02:43:23.640 --> 02:43:27.960
 the policies in this plan the action table and everything else will support

02:43:27.960 --> 02:43:34.880
 and inform those discussions for where area planning should take place and with

02:43:34.880 --> 02:43:41.480
 that I believe that I've addressed everything that was needed to be

02:43:41.480 --> 02:43:46.320
 addressed yes so I will be happy to take any questions or comments you may have

02:43:46.320 --> 02:43:53.760
 regarding that final stage of implementation detail thanks again and

02:43:53.760 --> 02:44:09.600
 do we have any questions or comments on this section I do not see any okay well

02:44:09.600 --> 02:44:12.360
 and chairman Ellis if it's all right with you then we'll proceed to our last

02:44:12.360 --> 02:44:16.720
 slide yes the next step slide that's great thank you and if I can have you

02:44:16.720 --> 02:44:24.480
 share that one more time okay so this slide should look familiar given that

02:44:24.480 --> 02:44:27.640
 we've shared with it in the past and it's been updated to reflect all the

02:44:27.640 --> 02:44:31.760
 work that we've accomplished as of today so obviously we're on today's date

02:44:31.760 --> 02:44:36.360
 February 9th and greatly appreciate the additional feedback and direction that

02:44:36.360 --> 02:44:41.080
 you have given us today want to take just a quick step back for a moment we

02:44:41.080 --> 02:44:44.720
 went ahead and did publish the legal notice associated with the public

02:44:44.720 --> 02:44:47.720
 hearings we are still anticipating moving forward with the planning and

02:44:47.720 --> 02:44:51.760
 zoning Commission public hearing being on February 3rd and if the Commission

02:44:51.760 --> 02:44:54.880
 renders a recommendation on to your meeting on that date then we would move

02:44:54.880 --> 02:44:58.160
 forward to City Council on March 1st and have public hearing and hopefully

02:44:58.160 --> 02:45:03.600
 adoption of the plan at that time but between today and in February 23rd we do

02:45:03.600 --> 02:45:06.960
 have one more meeting teed up that's the joint work session that we have with

02:45:06.960 --> 02:45:12.880
 City Council to have some work through some remaining items as it relates to

02:45:12.880 --> 02:45:16.120
 finishing the comprehensive plan in addition to the mobility plan so the

02:45:16.120 --> 02:45:20.560
 mobility plan is also on the same time frame that the comprehensive plan is on

02:45:20.560 --> 02:45:26.240
 so if there's hopefully you all can make it on Monday the 14th and I've had this

02:45:26.240 --> 02:45:30.120
 meeting on your calendars so that we can ensure that we've got quorum but other

02:45:30.120 --> 02:45:33.520
 than that there's any additional questions or feedback direction that the

02:45:33.520 --> 02:45:36.320
 Commission would like to provide as it relates to the comprehensive plan happy

02:45:36.320 --> 02:45:40.120
 to receive that and again we appreciate your attention to detail and in working

02:45:40.120 --> 02:45:46.520
 with us on this project thanks Tina with regard to that meeting on Monday do we

02:45:46.520 --> 02:45:52.800
 know how we're doing that are we hybrid in that meeting I assume again or we are

02:45:52.800 --> 02:45:56.640
 and so we need to ensure that we have four members of the planning and zoning

02:45:56.640 --> 02:46:00.360
 Commission that are in person as well as we'll have four members of council in

02:46:00.360 --> 02:46:04.400
 person and then everybody else being remote we will have that meeting in the

02:46:04.400 --> 02:46:07.920
 City Council chambers so you'll be positioned at the dais for those of you

02:46:07.920 --> 02:46:11.720
 that are participating in person and then obviously the remaining folks would

02:46:11.720 --> 02:46:16.320
 be remote and then we'll have limited staff potentially available either in

02:46:16.320 --> 02:46:20.880
 the council chambers or remote we want to make sure that should there be anyone

02:46:20.880 --> 02:46:24.960
 that from the public that is attending that we can socially distance and

02:46:24.960 --> 02:46:29.080
 maintain that those appropriate distances in the council chambers but

02:46:29.080 --> 02:46:32.560
 but because of the Texas Open Meetings Act with those rules no longer being

02:46:32.560 --> 02:46:35.680
 suspended we have to ensure that we have a minimum for planning and zoning

02:46:35.680 --> 02:46:42.760
 Commission members in attendance right right are there any questions other

02:46:42.760 --> 02:46:50.200
 discussion before we end Commissioner Villarreal I can't see you but did you

02:46:50.200 --> 02:46:56.560
 have any questions okay now I can see you okay very good well Ed Tina thank

02:46:56.560 --> 02:47:02.960
 you and to all the staff for you know putting this together working so hard on

02:47:02.960 --> 02:47:06.680
 this presentation has just been getting better and better honestly it's great

02:47:06.680 --> 02:47:11.360
 just because I think we're becoming more productive as we we move forward so

02:47:11.360 --> 02:47:17.840
 keeping the wheels turning and that's a really good thing so awesome so I think

02:47:17.840 --> 02:47:23.000
 with that I will adjourn us thank you everyone I'll adjourn us at 1 o 8 p.m.

02:47:23.000 --> 02:47:26.240
 thank you all