1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,600 Good morning and welcome to the City of Denton's Planning and Zoning Commission 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:12,980 meeting for Wednesday, February 9th 2022. This is our work session and with a 3 00:00:12,980 --> 00:00:17,520 quorum present I will call us to order at 10.02 a.m. Let the record show that 4 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:22,520 Vice Chair Smith and Commissioner Anderson are absent. We've got two 5 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:27,560 reports on our work session today so we'll bring up the first one which is 6 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,600 Receive a Report, Hold a Discussion, Give Staff Direction regarding the Draft 7 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:41,560 2022 Mobility Plan. Hello Becky. Good morning. Becky Devaney, City 8 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:45,880 Engineer, Director of Capital Projects. Thank you so much for having me today. I 9 00:00:45,880 --> 00:01:03,560 am going to get started by sharing my screen. Sorry it's harder to see. There we 10 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:14,600 go. Alrighty. So as you can see from the first slide we're here to talk about the 11 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:20,240 Draft 2022 Mobility Plan update. I know we came before you I guess about a month 12 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:26,480 ago to talk specifically about the the latest update that we had made. Today 13 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:31,600 myself along with Nathan George our Senior Planner Bicycle ADA Pedestrian 14 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:36,280 Coordinator and Preetem Deshmukh of our Transportation Planning Department will 15 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:40,340 be here to present the information to you. Preetem and I will share the 16 00:01:40,340 --> 00:01:43,240 presentation but of course we know there's going to be questions and so 17 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:49,160 we're all three here to help you. Brief overview I can go really quick with this. 18 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,920 We're going to talk about our key focus of the Mobility Plan, what we heard from 19 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:56,520 the comments that we received, talk a little bit about the types of master 20 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:00,600 plans the city has and why it's so important to have a Mobility Plan, the 21 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:05,360 function of the transportation system, that holistic view of a Mobility Plan 22 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:09,160 and then some of the comment responses that we received. I will make mention 23 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,440 that we've received comments from council meeting yesterday. I'll try to 24 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:18,560 update you with those. We also have received comments Sunday and Monday and 25 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,240 Tuesday that we're working through so we have not had that opportunity to 26 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:26,720 address comments that have come in this week completely so we're still working 27 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,520 through that process. It does take a little bit of time to evaluate each one. 28 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:36,680 So first things first, what we heard from council on our January 25th 29 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:41,900 presentation was safety is the key and most important component of the Mobility 30 00:02:41,900 --> 00:02:47,560 Plan. So we want you also to understand that we heard loud and clear the city 31 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,840 council's recommendation. Although the goals were not in any kind of 32 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:56,520 hierarchical order, we did go ahead and take goal number seven based on the 33 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,440 recommendations we received and move it to goal number one. We understand the 34 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:04,240 travel needs and priorities of the Mobility Plan, really safety is first. So 35 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:09,440 we appreciate that comment. I will mention yesterday in the meeting with 36 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,720 council not only do they want safety to be first, they'd like for us to move the 37 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:18,560 language to be more proactive than reactive and so we are working on 38 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:23,240 updating that section to make maybe a little bit more of an aggressive 39 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:27,800 statement throughout that entire goal section talking about how safety is so 40 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:32,280 important and so we will share that information with you as we get that 41 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:38,320 updated. Just a little bit of an overview. I know you're all aware of this. You see 42 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:43,720 this, you hear this as you sit on this board. I'm sorry commission and really 43 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,800 think through you know the different types of plans the city has. You've seen 44 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,680 these, you've heard us talk about them. You know obviously Ditten Water Utilities 45 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:56,200 has water master plans. They're working on a wastewater master plan. Our team's 46 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:00,600 working on a stormwater master plan. Solid Waste is working on an update. We 47 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,960 even have an urban forest master plan. I know you're all very aware of that but 48 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,720 really these different plans are what make the city move in the right 49 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:13,040 direction from a planning perspective. They do exactly what they say. We plan 50 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:17,960 our work so we can work those plans. The mobility plan specifically having that 51 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:23,720 multimodal bicycle auto pedestrian. I want to make sure you understand that the 52 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:29,400 two that you see circled in red, the Ditten plan 2040 and the parks trails 53 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:34,040 master plan have been working in concert with each other really to move us through 54 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:39,200 this process. This has not been a project that has been done in isolation. This has 55 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:43,360 been something that we work as a team and I will tell you it has been really a 56 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,840 great experience working with everyone together to get these plans working as 57 00:04:47,840 --> 00:04:53,120 succinctly as we have. The purpose of a mobility plan, I think we all know the 58 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,400 purpose. I wanted to hit home on this because some of the comments we received 59 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:01,640 from council on our January 25th presentation are really specific to why 60 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:07,000 are we doing this and what is all what are the next steps. So you know really I 61 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:11,400 want to make sure everyone understands it is a multimodal transportation plan. 62 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,680 You know we take the time to focus in on the thoroughfare plan. We're worried 63 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,480 about where the future roadways are going to go. You know that's one-third of 64 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:23,040 the project. It's also looking at the pedestrian and the bicycle to make that 65 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:27,400 that holistic view and the plan is really to accommodate that growth over 66 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:32,880 the next 30 years. I really like this graphic that we have. This is the cog 67 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:38,200 graphic that shows you the mobility plan 2045 that Cogs currently updating. The 68 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:42,320 reason why I bring it to your attention if you look in Denton County you're 69 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:46,720 going to see that outer loop that's connecting to 35. That's also shown on our 70 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:50,400 mobility plan. The reason why I want you to see that is it's connecting Denton 71 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:57,480 County to Colling County to Hunt County. So you understand that these are not closed 72 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:02,080 systems. These are connected systems between these different counties. You 73 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:07,600 also can see loop 288 West. Obviously we're all aware of 35 E 35 W and then of 74 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:11,960 course at the Golden Triangle where it becomes 35. But understand the reason 75 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,920 why we want to work together and we show these types of graphical 76 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:19,280 representations on our mobility plan are from the perspective that these are 77 00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:23,480 regional transportation networks that also helps us secure the state and 78 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,360 federal funding that's needed to help with the growth of these projects as 79 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:35,320 they come along. Flexibility of a mobility plan. So I'll be honest a lot 80 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,960 of the comments that we've received not only over the last couple of months but 81 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,440 throughout the entire process that I've been involved with the mobility plan is 82 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:47,260 really talking about you know the road the line you show on the map shows the 83 00:06:47,260 --> 00:06:53,920 road going directly through my house my pond my you know XYZ. We understand that. 84 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,880 We hear you loud and clear. It's the same comments that we've received also from 85 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:03,160 council. These are roadway alignments of proposed networks particularly in 86 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,480 greenfield areas they can be adjusted. I'm going to show you an example in a 87 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:11,040 minute you were a part of. I just I want you to understand their graphical 88 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:16,060 schematic representations that help us align with where we're going to have 89 00:07:16,060 --> 00:07:20,400 future roadways. They also help us with the process of collecting roadway impact 90 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:24,040 fees because they show these are the areas of which we think future roadways 91 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,640 are going to need to be developed. They also align with the Denton County 92 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:33,000 thoroughfare plan and the overall tech stock thoroughfare plan. These roadways 93 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:37,760 are long time or long-term needs like I talked about it this is a 30-year plan. 94 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:42,000 Many of these roadways I may not see in my lifetime even being constructed which 95 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:46,800 is crazy to think but that's exactly what it is. They won't be constructed 96 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,560 tomorrow but they're going to be constructed as development comes along 97 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,120 and we have to plan appropriately. They'll turn in either to a project 98 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,600 that's done as part of a development project and then maybe another portion 99 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,080 of it will be a capital project or they may be decided that there's a capital 100 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:04,080 project that needs to be developed in that area. So those are the two different 101 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:08,420 ways we can deliver those. You know this mobility plans are updated every five 102 00:08:08,420 --> 00:08:11,840 years. We do have the opportunities to make amendments before those five-year 103 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:16,600 timeframes. It's very critical that we get this update completed from the 104 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:21,880 standpoint that not only is it time because it's a 2015 plan that was 105 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,960 adopted in 2016 but it's also time because we need to get those roadway 106 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:30,160 impact fees moved to the next step and those are in the process and need to be 107 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:35,800 updated. Talk a little bit about roadway function. I'm going to turn it over to 108 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,480 Preetem and he's going to come up and talk to you about it. What I want to 109 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:42,440 mention to you is a lot of the comments we received from council and I'm going to 110 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:47,360 specifically focus in on an area and I'm going to turn it over to him but we got a 111 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,800 lot of comments about can a primary arterial turn into two secondary 112 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:57,880 arterials or can a secondary arterial turn into two collectors. There's reasons 113 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,560 why each one of the roadway classifications are developed in the 114 00:09:00,560 --> 00:09:04,280 manner of which they can. Keep in mind the difference between a primary 115 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:08,320 arterial and a secondary arterial is really the right-of-way width and a 116 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:12,640 six-lane to four-lane but with that context sensitive design we can design 117 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:17,200 what needs to be built based on the capacity needs and the designing from 118 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:21,100 the traffic impact analysis within that right-of-way. I will mention to you 119 00:09:21,100 --> 00:09:24,560 several of the concerns that we received from council yesterday. We're 120 00:09:24,560 --> 00:09:27,600 specifically in the northeast quadrant where they've asked us to go back and 121 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:31,760 evaluate based on what we've shared with this message from the roadway function 122 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,200 and the classifications Preetem is going to go over with you. In the northeast 123 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:39,960 quadrant of town we will be making some updates and evaluating that. We've already 124 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,400 had several meetings since the council meeting yesterday. We've had several 125 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:47,560 conversations even today as a staff and as a team of what can we do to address 126 00:09:47,560 --> 00:09:51,200 some of those concerns. We'll be bringing that back to you Monday during our 127 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,960 joint session but just wanted to mention that to you. So I'm going to turn it over 128 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,920 to Preetem. He's going to give me a breather let me get a drink and we're 129 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:02,280 going to talk through the next types of roadway classifications. Thank you Preetem. 130 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:06,660 Thank you Becky. Good morning everyone. Preeten Deshmukh, Transportation Planning. 131 00:10:06,660 --> 00:10:13,120 And yeah as Becky mentioned really what I'm trying to get to is some basic 132 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:18,880 concepts of transportation planning and principles that we planners and 133 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:24,480 engineers use to define these networks. So start with a little bit of what what 134 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:29,560 are these roadways? What is their main function? And their primary function they 135 00:10:29,560 --> 00:10:34,880 have two primary functions. It's access providing access to people's houses homes 136 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:40,960 or driveway on a local street or a business or a retail. That's that's 137 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:45,600 access piece is one piece. The other piece is mobility. If someone wants to go 138 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:50,520 from point A to point B or someone wants to commute to work that that is mobility. 139 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:55,200 So roadways have two primary functions and based on those two functions they 140 00:10:55,200 --> 00:11:00,680 are categorized into four different types. And if you see on the map on this 141 00:11:00,680 --> 00:11:06,080 graphic on the right side you can see it's a graph that actually represents 142 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:13,080 axis on the y-axis the vertical axis and then mobility on the x-axis horizontal. 143 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:17,600 And if you look at the actual curve it's comprised of different colors. The first 144 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:22,880 color on the top is blue and that represents local roadways. These are 145 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:27,600 roadways that are in front of your houses. These are roadways that are really 146 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:34,160 small roadways that just have driveways and axis on them. And majority of the 147 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:39,500 roadways within the city 75% of them are these local roadways that that's their 148 00:11:39,500 --> 00:11:46,080 primary function is provide access. The second class is collectors. Those are if 149 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:52,520 you look at that those are the orange shaded area of the map. But it comprises 150 00:11:52,520 --> 00:12:00,800 approximately 10% of roadway systems. And if you see them they have a little bit 151 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:06,360 of higher mobility in built in them. So not only they provide access but also 152 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:12,000 they provide that mobility from from taking someone from their home or in 153 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:16,160 there from their neighborhood to a place where it connects to a higher 154 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:20,520 denomination of a classification roadway system. So those are collectors. If you 155 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,960 move to the next step which is yellow it's minor arterials they constitute 156 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:31,240 about 10% of our system approximately. And now you see that their function is 157 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:35,320 slowly getting more into mobility and less into access. And then the last one 158 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:40,800 which is principal arterials or primary arterials their function is more of 159 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:45,760 mobility. Getting a person from where they live to their destination where 160 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:50,200 they work or where they live to if they want to visit someone or if they want to 161 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:56,320 go to a specified mall or a shopping complex destinations throughout the 162 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:04,080 region. So based on all these classifications when a roadways design 163 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:08,840 when you actually get into design we have to define the function. If we don't 164 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,960 define the function and design appropriately that's where we have 165 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:18,400 issues. In older communities you see the function was defined differently by the 166 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,920 time growth happened and things happened around it now the function has 167 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,440 changed and that's why you have some areas that don't function the way they 168 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:31,600 were supposed to because the access and the use or the function itself has 169 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:36,680 changed. So that's why it's very important to at the planning level to 170 00:13:36,680 --> 00:13:42,560 make sure that all the design features are are intended to match what that 171 00:13:42,560 --> 00:13:47,440 roadway will be functioning as. And as Becky mentioned context sensitive design 172 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:53,920 when we talk about that when we are defining some of these roadway types for 173 00:13:53,920 --> 00:14:00,420 example in arterial when we were talking about the function the speed itself the 174 00:14:00,420 --> 00:14:06,360 the actual classification does not necessarily relate to the speed. So we 175 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:10,160 can have a classification that is higher higher classification that provides 176 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:15,840 mobility that provides that larger roadway or capacity but it can still be 177 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,600 designed for lower speeds it can still and that's exactly what context 178 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:23,580 sensitive design so that's part that so there that needs to be an appropriate 179 00:14:23,580 --> 00:14:27,640 balance between these competing functions because they're competing when 180 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:31,560 you have access people slow down to get into someone's driveway and when you have 181 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:36,040 mobility people want to move a little bit quicker so that's where we have to 182 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:42,880 design them appropriately. Getting on to the next slide why do we need all of 183 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:47,560 these different types of functional classification roadways so we need them 184 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:52,440 to actually provide the greatest degree of safety and efficiency so there are 185 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:56,720 two aspects as I mentioned there are competing functions if we provide a 186 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:03,440 network that is just providing access and in slower speeds there will be a lot 187 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:07,840 of congestion if there if we just provide freeways and larger arterials 188 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:12,720 there'll be a lot of speeding around and less access people won't so there has to 189 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,720 be that balance and we have to define when we're planning roadways and 190 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:21,280 communities that we have to define that there is an appropriate balance so if 191 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:27,720 someone wants to live in Denton and they a lot of people don't necessarily live 192 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:31,080 and work at the same place they do so when they have to go from point A to 193 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:36,760 point B there has to be a system that lets them do that and if we start 194 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:42,680 converting all these larger materials into collectors or secondaries a person 195 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:46,760 trying to get out to the destination will have that much difficulty because 196 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,920 of the congestion so these are all the different things that need to be taken 197 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,800 into account when we're planning the system and that's why this is just a 198 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:59,280 quick update on the transportation planning concepts and now I'll turn it 199 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:07,560 back to Becky. Thank you. Thank you Preeten. So I wanted to talk about you all 200 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:12,440 know my favorite buzzword is holistic I use it all the time you know my partner 201 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:18,320 and deputy director Rachel Wood of Capital Projects I know you all know she 202 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:23,360 recently took on a new position but before she left she gave me a bracelet 203 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,720 with the word holistic on it because it's our buzzword so it's our word 204 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,440 together so I have to continue to use it and share so thank you for letting me 205 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:34,840 share that story but the holistic view of a mobility plan I mean I mentioned 206 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,480 this when I first started the presentation it's not just lines on a 207 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:42,240 map right so we take the time to really focus in the thoroughfare plan the lines 208 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:46,480 on the map the bike and ped and all the efforts and I'll tell you the the 209 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:50,600 lineshare of that's been done by Nathan because he has a lot of great ideas of 210 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:56,040 how we can make this a multimodal community and so it's not just the map 211 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,560 if you take the time to read the plan there's a lot of goals of it in 212 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:03,480 objectives within there of course we want to facilitate alternate train 213 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:08,480 transportation opportunities that's that bike and ped we want to prioritize 214 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:12,520 safety you heard me say and we heard from council safety is their top 215 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:16,120 priority that's the reason why we moved the goal we want to deliver an 216 00:17:16,120 --> 00:17:19,720 effective network of travel you just heard pre to him talk about it when you 217 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,120 think about how you leave your neighborhood and you go from a 218 00:17:22,120 --> 00:17:28,080 residential street a collector on to a some type of arterial eventually maybe 219 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:33,320 to get to I-35 you know to commute to wherever you're headed to that's the 220 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:38,040 common travel pattern and then leverage leveraging innovation of course that's 221 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:42,720 always something that we want to do to evaluate so with each within each one of 222 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:47,680 the goals and you know we have nine goals we also have multiple strategies 223 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:52,120 we have multiple objectives that we want to work through I did mention like I 224 00:17:52,120 --> 00:17:56,720 said with councils ideas yesterday and comments that we received not only are 225 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:01,160 we going to move goal one goal seven to go one we're also going to go ahead and 226 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:05,280 be very much more aggressive with the language that we use on that goal so 227 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:10,960 this is really just to try to help you understand yes we have a plan yes it has 228 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:15,000 beautiful pictures and a lot of pretty words and a lot of goals yes we have the 229 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:20,320 maps but really essentially these are working together in concert with each 230 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:24,840 other to make this to make this a successful plan hey Becky can I interrupt 231 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:29,920 you for a second absolutely on that note because we seem to get caught up in that 232 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:34,600 number and what should be one and that kind of thing did anyone think of making 233 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:40,440 it ABCD dot dot dot instead of one two three so we don't get lost and what 234 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:44,440 might be a priority and not since it's all a priority you know we've thought 235 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:50,120 about several different things of how do we approach that do we bowl you know the 236 00:18:50,120 --> 00:18:54,080 word safety you know what do we do but no right I think we're getting stuck on 237 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,960 it and it's kind of silly because obviously that's a goal I mean they're 238 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:03,520 all goals it's all part of this holistic look at this it has to be so yeah I've 239 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:07,780 just in just didn't know if that yeah it was thought about that like let's get 240 00:19:07,780 --> 00:19:11,520 rid of the number because people seem to get stuck on well if it's not number one 241 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:15,680 it can't it's not the best thing but right so they don't make it one two 242 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:20,560 three so people can think differently no I understand and I think that's a very 243 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:26,880 valid comment and I appreciate that you know I think that in general we think in 244 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:31,680 number order and that's the reason why we got well why is number seven you know 245 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,400 and that's the purpose of it wasn't a hierarchy you know it was really just a 246 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:40,920 list of an order of goals so basically a bulleted list is I'm sure what the intent 247 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:45,280 was it was originally yes and then you know it's like well how do we make this 248 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:49,960 be organized in a fashion where it's understandable okay but I do like I do 249 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:54,840 like that idea so we're gonna continue to kind of work work through those so 250 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,520 and that's really why I took on that on this last slide I'll tell you you know 251 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:04,240 these are the four categories that then break into the separate individual goals 252 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:08,720 and of course as you can see you know safety is of course one of those four 253 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:14,240 major categories that we then break into those individual goals but no I 254 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:18,680 appreciate that comment so I wanted to move from that holistic view that 255 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:23,280 mobility plan that map that plan that talks about how are we going to do these 256 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,920 goals how are we going to use these strategies how are we going to move 257 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:31,560 through this process this is a 30-year plan to how do we go from a plan at a 258 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:36,680 policy document into a design so what I want to focus in on is when we move from 259 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:41,440 that planning level document and this happens to us every single day right we 260 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:45,320 see oh yes there's a line on a map we know there may be a future roadway there 261 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:49,400 we as staff then take it from being a plan and that's the reason why I wanted 262 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,800 you to see there's so many different plans that the city has we start to work 263 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,960 that plan how we start to work that plan is not only using that as our guidance 264 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:02,080 document our policy document to then work through looking at the Denton 265 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:06,840 Development Code what does the code say what are the land use assumptions how is 266 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:11,760 that area supposed to grow what is the transportation criteria manual say how 267 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:16,040 is that roadway supposed to be designed what are the options we look at you know 268 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:21,160 safety we look at the different the different speed you know the different 269 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:25,720 roadways need to be you know we then we move from you know the different 270 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:30,800 classifications of lanes etc into that specification book that's the third 271 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,760 thing you see that tells us how we're going to build the road to what type of 272 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,920 material it's going to be and ultimately the standard details you know those show 273 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:42,800 all the different types of roadway cross sections and really you know is it a 274 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:47,440 modified primary arterial is it a standard primary arterial so there are 275 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,080 wonderful guidance documents and I know y'all have seen these because you approved 276 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:55,120 the criteria manuals and I know you're aware of the specifications and the code 277 00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:59,840 of course and the standard details but that is how we go from the process of 278 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:04,400 taking something from a plan and moving it through whether it's the development 279 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:09,680 process or the capital planning process from an idea and a plan through that 280 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,560 design phase to really get the engineering that's needed to make sure 281 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:18,080 that that road is designed I will mention to Commissioner Prud I know 282 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,240 you've made a lot of comments we've also received a lot of other comments 283 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:25,840 specifically related to the Vision Zero and the safety measures all of those 284 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,960 weren't able to be incorporated in this year's transportation criteria manual 285 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:35,160 when we made the update but we know we're doing the citywide speed study we 286 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,960 know that that information should be ready towards late summer August 287 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:43,120 September timeframe for us to be able to prepare and bring that information back 288 00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:46,760 we do anticipate there's going to be some updates to the criteria manual 289 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,920 knowing that safety is a priority speed study is going to help us with that 290 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:55,440 information we're working with pre-tem on those Vision Zero ideas as we work 291 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:59,320 through those ideas we'll work to incorporate those into our guidance 292 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:06,280 documents that we use this is really our playbook I guess you should say so I 293 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,440 told you I was going to give you an example of how a line on the map becomes 294 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:16,400 a project you know this is an existing area this is 35 and loop 288 West and 295 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,600 you can see this green line right here on the map and it was a pretty you know 296 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:25,200 fairly straight but it was connecting point a to point B so winds are on the 297 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:31,640 east across on over on the west what you see is when this development came 298 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:36,440 through they came to the city and said if we try to design that roadway in 299 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:41,760 alignment with the way that it's shown on the map we think we're missing the 300 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:46,840 mark would you consider looking at an evaluating and changing that roadway to 301 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,960 the line with some existing roadway structures that are already in that 302 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:54,400 area and we said yeah that makes a lot of sense it's just a lot on a map let's 303 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,400 evaluate it let's see what happens so we were able to evaluate it that and say 304 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:03,000 you know what that does make sense we're not only bringing from the eastern side 305 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,400 as the Windsor improvements are going to be made we know 35 is going to have a 306 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:12,320 bridge at Windsor and then we know that as you can you traverse across that 307 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:18,480 area it makes more sense to go within an existing roadway area and not cut this 308 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,720 individual's property in half and make it where it's a little bit less 309 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:28,160 developable so that's a good really good example from our mind as to how a line 310 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,440 on the map actually worked itself through the process during that 311 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,040 development phase that then turned into you know you know something that this 312 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:40,080 project could move forward with the comment response log was included as 313 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:44,760 exhibit 3 in your backup I know we got a lot of comments our team worked the best 314 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:49,280 we could with receiving the comments to address the different classifications of 315 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:54,080 roadways that safety is that number one priority talking about some examples 316 00:24:54,080 --> 00:25:02,240 that we saw there were some specific examples on ideas of Thunderbird was one 317 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,240 of them per se that the question was well why does it turn up north and 318 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,800 connect to Windsor instead of continuing east and just connect to 319 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:13,000 Bonnie Bray you know what valid point we looked at it we evaluated we think that 320 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,280 we are going to look at making that update to connect directly to Bonnie 321 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:22,720 Bray also similarly I just showed you a few of the other examples Mingo Road came 322 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,880 up a lot of questions about Mingo Road you know it's currently a CIP project 323 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,680 that we have at about 30% design so a lot of the questions that were asked 324 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:35,000 Alma Locas was also asked I'll mention to you on a previous mobility plan it 325 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,320 was shown as a primary arterial and we're working through and on the the 326 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,880 current mobility plan it's a lower classification and we're working through 327 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:46,560 as a city looks to possibly take that as a turn back from text dot how do we 328 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,320 change the character of Alma Locas Nathan has a lot of ideas of how to get 329 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:55,680 the bicycle and pedestrian network through that area so a lot of the 330 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,840 comments we received were specific to that a lot of them were design related 331 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:04,000 so that's the reason why I wanted to show you the criteria manuals and and 332 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,320 really talk a lot about that there were some questions about some of the 333 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:13,840 interactive map tools and and some of the traffic patterns changing etc these 334 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:19,440 are plans these are the best guess with our crystal ball based on fact and data 335 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,480 well you know what we see that's going to happen in the future so like I 336 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,600 mentioned we still received a few comments that came in on Sunday and 337 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:32,280 Monday and then we had a couple of comments yesterday from council 338 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:37,500 specifically related to that nor three North Eastern quadrant and then of 339 00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:40,880 course some comments about safety and making that language a little bit more 340 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,120 aggressive so we'll be working through that anticipate seeing that if not I'm 341 00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:49,240 in the Friday report definitely in the presentation on Monday we're gonna work 342 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:54,840 the hardest and best we can to get all that in the Friday report but definitely 343 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,760 expect to see that as a part of the conversation with our joint council and 344 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,560 planning and zoning Commission meeting that's happening on Monday so with that 345 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:09,000 I'm gonna end with the most important side of it all so the key focus of the 346 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,120 mobility plan we've talked about this over and over and over you're gonna get 347 00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:16,760 sick of hearing me say this it's a multimodal plan you know this it's 348 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:23,960 bicycle pedestrian and auto friendly yes we heard loud and clear number seven is 349 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:28,640 not number seven it's number one it's letter a you know it's whatever it needs 350 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:33,200 to be but yes it's the top and most important thing we also understand 351 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,920 there's contact-sensitive design in each one of these areas we know in some of 352 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,840 these areas we show primary arterial secondary arterials but we understand 353 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,640 that the engineering design that's going to be going into each one of these 354 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:49,440 roadways based on the criteria the code the specifications and the standard 355 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:54,480 detail is going to work to design that roadway based on the surrounding areas 356 00:27:54,480 --> 00:28:01,920 so with that I'm going to end our presentation and as I mentioned Nathan 357 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:08,080 myself and pre-tem are here and we're happy to answer any questions that you 358 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:13,040 might have I appreciate you taking the time to allow us to to visit with you 359 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:17,280 today and share this update I know you all know this is very important for our 360 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,000 team to get this delivered as I mentioned once this once this is wrapped 361 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,840 up and we are working through those next steps to get that roadway impact fee 362 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,800 document updated very important especially as developments come through 363 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,040 we want to make sure we have that document so that we can include we can 364 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:38,160 include and enforce that that ordinance so appreciate your time and look forward 365 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:42,400 to getting this through the finish line it is currently in the public hearing 366 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:47,760 phase and so that publication was in the newspaper on Monday and Tina is going to 367 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:52,520 go into greater detail during her presentation the overall schedule we're 368 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,240 in alignment with the schedule that she's going to talk about so I'm gonna 369 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,440 let her share that but it's been a great opportunity working together with the 370 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,520 comp plan and that entire team working and making sure the land use assumptions 371 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,760 align with this overall mobility plan so with that I'll be quiet and I'll let you 372 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:12,000 ask any questions that you might have as always great presentation thank you 373 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:18,120 thank you ma'am questions for Becky while she is here 374 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:27,600 Commissioner Pruitt thank you chair I'll get it rolling here I've I've got quite 375 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,520 a few so feel free to cut me off if it brings up other ideas from other 376 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:37,780 commissioners please I want this to be a proactive time first I've got a few that 377 00:29:37,780 --> 00:29:41,920 are just more specific I'll try to make my questions as short as possible 378 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:46,920 I'm really not looking for a you know how does this save the world answer but 379 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:52,840 just just to make sure that I clearly understand what's going on just to be 380 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:59,040 sure I know we've worked with a cog a lot and CT cog on this plan as I was 381 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,760 perusing it looked like there were some sections in the Texas local government 382 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:09,200 code specifically 242 001 G that suggests that if there's a deviation 383 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:15,880 between the the city's plan in the ETA and the cogs plan that the cogs plan 384 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,960 would apply essentially so I just wanted to understand whether we've looked at 385 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:24,680 all those ETA areas and made sure that we align with the cogs so we're not 386 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:30,240 purporting something that that we can't enforce essentially sure that's our goal 387 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,160 that's why I mentioned the county thoroughfare plan and the overall 388 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,600 textile thoroughfare plan those are the plans that the cog absolutely is is 389 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:42,200 adopting and working in concert with our team is going to evaluate some of those 390 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:47,040 additional ETJ areas specifically in that northeastern quadrant based on some 391 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,640 of the feedback we received but that's part of the reason why I wanted you to 392 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,920 show you the map that the same lines they're showing or the same lines we're 393 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:59,000 showing okay and not necessarily is that always the easiest thing to do because 394 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,360 we get a lot of questions and it's hard to explain those are not roadways the 395 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,120 city is planning those are roadways that text on is planning or the county is 396 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,320 planning but that we work together and make sure that we all show those same 397 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:20,480 roadway networks thank you sure second on on sort of the thoroughfare plan on 398 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:25,640 the far eastern side of town there's a primary arterial that's planned kind of 399 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:30,680 east of Mayhill if you will we just got finished with that mayhill project great 400 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:36,160 job by the way and and I just wanted to have some confirmation because when I 401 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:41,800 just look at the overall map it kind of looks like we've got lots more north 402 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,640 south primary arterials in that section planned than we do in the rest of the 403 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:53,880 city so does that can you speak to sort of what what what makes that required as 404 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:58,760 opposed to sort of a secondary arterial or lower I completely support the idea 405 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:03,760 of more connectivity through that area right I'm just wondering whether but what 406 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:09,360 drew the analysis to a primary arterial classification there yeah I think one of 407 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:17,000 the main key things driving that is we have the loop we have mayhill but the 408 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:23,040 amount of traffic and growth on the eastern side of our region and the 409 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:29,240 northeast side of our region traffic coming in from us 380 currently is over 410 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:35,200 is around 30,000 daily trips and that's just gonna keep on increasing and their 411 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:41,600 primary connector or connection is going south along those three corridors to 412 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,560 connect to 35 E so there is a lot of flow that we when we're going through 413 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,400 the traffic models when we're going through the demand understanding that 414 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,880 there that traffic is increasing it's not city traffic it's not local but 415 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:59,720 everyone wants to take 35 you to go to Dallas or further in that south region so 416 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:05,280 that is just planning ahead that yes we don't want that traffic to enter the 417 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:10,480 city go through our streets and create more congestion the further away we can 418 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:15,440 get them remain it remains outside the city and create that direct connection 419 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:20,760 and that that was the only reason that our consultants and and staff felt that 420 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,840 there was a need for additional capacity the future the future growth yeah that 421 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,080 that really helps because I think what I'm hearing you say correct me if I'm 422 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,080 wrong is that some of the growth even outside of the city of Denton to our 423 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:37,640 east and northeast is wanting to go from there to areas just south of Lake 424 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:43,880 Louisville right and for whatever reason the the connectivity is not there to go 425 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,560 around an eastward direction so they're choosing to come through the city of 426 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,840 Denton and so it's not really driven from the the land use decisions we have 427 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,480 in that eastern section it's more driven by the regional traffic patterns outside 428 00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,400 of the city of Denton right I think if you take the Lake Louisville area there 429 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,040 are there is the east side and west side and northern communities that are 430 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:09,440 developing north of us actually break and take two different areas in it kind 431 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,840 of lines with that okay connection point thank you that that really clears that 432 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:20,280 up another thing you talked about the context sensitive design I noticed that 433 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,400 the roadway classification definition table on page 27 it's kind of that blue 434 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:30,840 and dark blue and light blue table doesn't really highlight that it sort of 435 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,840 suggests that there's a fixed speed that these will be designed at in a fixed 436 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:41,320 number of lanes why I guess yeah no I think that's a valid point that that 437 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:47,040 chart is really kind of that guide of typical situations obviously as each 438 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:52,700 roadway is developed and designed then you know those are opportunities to look 439 00:34:52,700 --> 00:34:57,280 at is this truly the design speed is this truly the you know six lane 440 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:01,520 primary arterial etc so those are really the guidance documents that are in 441 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,800 alignment that chart is I think you're referring to the chart I don't have the 442 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:10,120 page numbers memorized but I've got the document memorized pretty good but I 443 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,360 think if you're talking about that chart you know really honestly that is an 444 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,920 alignment with what the standards show but we understand that there is 445 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:22,920 obviously as we come through the design process that's where we have the leniency 446 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,240 to work through that process and review those specifically to that context 447 00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:31,520 sensitive design or what's in that area so that's really kind of the starting 448 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:36,820 point but we know that those are things that will be reviewed as they come 449 00:35:36,820 --> 00:35:41,620 through the process and all of the communication and and further discussion 450 00:35:41,620 --> 00:35:46,280 that we've had I get that message it's just when I look at that chart I I 451 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,400 scratched my head because it doesn't seem consistent so you know I don't I 452 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:55,240 just don't know who that chart is trying to communicate to right if it's if it's 453 00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:59,360 trying to communicate that hey we have these different classifications of 454 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:04,040 roadways and here are their purposes then I don't really know that the right 455 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:10,200 three columns there that deal with sorry with the number of lanes and the target 456 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:17,900 speed and the volume capacity really is necessary if that will we have some 457 00:36:17,900 --> 00:36:21,720 pretty good descriptions of kind of who owns them and what their purpose is and 458 00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:26,360 then maybe the the more detailed plans could get into that I just want to avoid 459 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:33,760 a situation where we get used to well here's what the plan says so you know 460 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,080 we're all behind on projects and then we'll just do it that way instead of 461 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:42,160 taking the time to look at that context does that make sense it does but I will 462 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:48,160 tell you that a traffic impact analysis has to be performed which will allow for 463 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:52,080 that type of information to come forward through the design process I realize 464 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,820 it's very cookie cutter I guess is what you would maybe describe it as and cut 465 00:36:55,820 --> 00:36:59,960 and dry it does align with the design standards I think there may be some 466 00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:02,800 additional verbiage and I appreciate you bringing it up that we could help 467 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,760 explain that you know these are the typical parameters but they're based on 468 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:11,380 you know actual design through these steps in these processes to help kind of 469 00:37:11,380 --> 00:37:18,840 explain that maybe this is the first the first guide that's to be used as really 470 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,360 kind of that standard but it's specific to that that context sensitive design 471 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:28,320 that we discussed so that's easy to update to add some additional 472 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,780 information to make sure that everybody doesn't see a primary material is always 473 00:37:32,780 --> 00:37:37,240 six lanes it's always going to be X Y or Z and and I'll tell you even within our 474 00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:43,880 design standard details you'll see modified primary arterial versus primary 475 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:49,160 arterial they don't all align so you know that's really kind of just that first 476 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:55,760 that first guide so that's a pretty simple thing to add to the plan to to 477 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,520 maybe better describe what the purpose of that chart is and and again I really 478 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,840 don't know who it's trying to communicate what to just just maybe we 479 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,740 should think through that and make sure it's not overly prescriptive sure 480 00:38:06,740 --> 00:38:10,240 Commissioner Prude if I could interrupt I mean I think it's working as just a 481 00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:14,120 definition page isn't it I mean it's really just trying to give a standard 482 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:19,140 definition I believe right it's exactly yeah I just like we have in a lot you 483 00:38:19,140 --> 00:38:24,600 know it's just a it's just defining that road classification I think to some 484 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:30,040 general criteria correct right absolutely and it aligns with those 485 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:36,600 standard details so you're spot-on that's the purpose of it and and I know 486 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:43,160 what I guess I'm hearing is is you know it's not as it's too detailed to the 487 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,720 point where it's cookie cutter but but the purpose is exactly what you've 488 00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:53,160 described so maybe the the idea here is to add you know a couple of additional 489 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,480 sentences to say that you know these align with the standard details but each 490 00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,440 project will be designed you know specific to the context sensitive 491 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:05,680 design in that area type situation that will help explain to your point not 492 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,800 every single primary arterial is going to be six lines right but it still meets 493 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:14,480 the intent so yes you're absolutely correct okay yeah sorry thank you no no 494 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:20,720 thank you for that so the next one I have a question that we often see on the 495 00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:24,960 Commission and I just saw a statement and one of the strategies that I was 496 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,080 confused by because I didn't think we had that ability from a planning 497 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:33,400 perspective to control this so strategy 5-4 says maintain balance between land 498 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:38,680 use and circulation systems by phasing new developments to levels that can be 499 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:43,160 accommodated by roadways existing or planned to exist at the time of 500 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:49,660 completion of each phase of the project so maybe I'm just still confused but my 501 00:39:49,660 --> 00:39:55,640 understanding was that when we see a subdivision application or a plat it's 502 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,960 judged based on whether the roadways within the geographical bounds of that 503 00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:08,360 application are in conformance to our plans essentially and it doesn't take 504 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:13,560 into account the mobility connections to get from the rest of the city to that 505 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:20,200 development so I guess my question is is is that action or sorry strategy sorry 506 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:26,480 trying to align to the right terms here is that strategy sort of enforceable and 507 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,740 how do we actually see that when we see applications going forward so I think 508 00:40:30,740 --> 00:40:34,480 with this goal we're trying to cover every aspect of it to give you a quick 509 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:39,660 example that particular strategy strategy if a developer comes in and say 510 00:40:39,660 --> 00:40:43,800 it's on McKinney and it's already a four lane or six and whatever highway it is 511 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:49,200 and that developer is producing traffic that would require widening and going 512 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:53,600 beyond what's currently in there that's what the strategy covers is yes we'll 513 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:58,440 look at our infrastructure and see is it even a feasible development when it's 514 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,600 coming in with the intensity and if it's not then what are the other options what 515 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,960 are the other modes of transportation that it needs to look at within that 516 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:10,500 existing framework so that's why there are some some instances where that may 517 00:41:10,500 --> 00:41:14,040 happen that there is a developer that comes in and the infrastructure needs to 518 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,720 be just blown up around it like the intersection needs to be widened to dual 519 00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:21,800 lefts and triple lefts and so on and so forth so when we're looking that context 520 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:26,660 that's particular that's the goal that would help us guide them in the right 521 00:41:26,660 --> 00:41:32,720 direction it's in developed areas there we have all kinds of areas throughout the 522 00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:38,680 city and I think if Tina has something to add but we have to work with the land 523 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:43,200 use and it works hand-in-hand and when a developer comes in definitely that they 524 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,360 do the traffic impact studies and that's when we find out that if it's going to 525 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,040 impact the infrastructure the point where currently it's at a certain 526 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:56,040 classification and needs to be widened or need additional lanes in this area is 527 00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:01,400 it something that the city's okay to do or is it something that will come in 528 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,840 front of the Commission saying well you know their impacts are so high that 529 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:09,360 this intensity is not acceptable so we don't recommend at this point but with 530 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:14,240 a lower intensity we'll come back and it fits our overall map okay so so I think 531 00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:20,560 what I'm hearing is that most of the examples we've seen have have not been 532 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:25,160 recommended to deny it based on that but if we had an application that was so 533 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,920 egregious that you know we were trying to get 40,000 cars through a two-lane 534 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:33,500 road to get there and it just wouldn't work then then that would be something 535 00:42:33,500 --> 00:42:37,320 that that staff would look at and say that this isn't gonna work correct okay 536 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:52,240 thank you that that helps sorry okay the this might be a wording thing but 537 00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:59,200 strategy 112 if I'm interpreting it right it seems to exemplify some of my 538 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,460 concerns when we talk about vision zero but then we also talk about how does 539 00:43:03,460 --> 00:43:08,480 that work when we get to a specific application of it so that that strategy 540 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,960 says prioritize intersection improvements which improve through 541 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:16,900 traffic flow on major primary and secondary arterials which is great we 542 00:43:16,900 --> 00:43:21,920 want that right and then also reduce impacts on local neighborhood streets 543 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:30,800 with emphasis on pedestrian and bicycle safety so I guess maybe I'm just 544 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:35,680 confused by the intent of that because when I read that that sort of 545 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:40,880 juxtaposes these two ideas one we're gonna improve arterials to move cars 546 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:46,320 right which we need to do and then secondly we're going to you know care 547 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:54,420 about safety of non motorized users along in a local road context and and to 548 00:43:54,420 --> 00:43:59,560 me that means but once you get to this arterial okay you're done we're we're 549 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:04,240 we're prioritizing the traffic flow am I interpreting that statement 550 00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:10,400 incorrectly I don't think it's ever our intention to say that pedestrians and 551 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:15,720 bicyclists are not going to have ability to move throughout a primary or 552 00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:23,440 secondary arterial I think to your point if that goal you feel like is 553 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,880 contradicting then there may be some ways that we could either reword it or 554 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:33,680 separate it into two goals but it's not the intention of making an intersection 555 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:38,520 not safe because we're trying to move cars through a primary or secondary 556 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:43,240 arterial that's fine and like I said maybe I'm just interpreting it wrong but 557 00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:46,240 but that was one of the thoughts I had when I when I saw that one no I 558 00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:51,220 appreciate the comment and then I think I had a couple more specific questions 559 00:44:51,220 --> 00:44:59,280 about the the bike map and the primary bike network and and I'm not really sure 560 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:04,520 whether we're at the point yet with these maps that we can dig into them I 561 00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:11,320 just I saw a few inconsistencies between what's on the ground and what's shown in 562 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,800 the maps and then I when I'm looking at the future plan I was confused by some 563 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:20,760 of the color coding can you just explain what what the process is and how we get 564 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:25,640 from here to adoption to clarify some of those things okay good morning 565 00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:34,000 everybody so some of the inconsistencies you're seeing I would say this process 566 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,720 has been going on for a while so first there are some inconsistencies with 567 00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:41,680 projects that have delivered that our consultant is not aware of because they 568 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:47,120 were working on this you know 18 months ago something like that in terms of how 569 00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:53,560 we get to where we want to be I think this you know we've we focused a bit in 570 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:59,040 this presentation today about how this is a forward-looking sort of a document 571 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:05,040 and in the background I'm working on plans that to the best of my ability 572 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:10,280 we're incorporating that you know that information into the mapping that's in 573 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,900 this plan but ultimately there's going to be some reconciliation that happens 574 00:46:13,900 --> 00:46:19,020 after adoption of like projects that are in our CIP are not going to be reflected 575 00:46:19,020 --> 00:46:23,720 in these maps that's you know so I would say first on the issue of the existing 576 00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:28,520 mapping that's inconsistent to the degree that we can provide detailed 577 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:33,480 comments to our consultant and have them make corrections to the mapping that's a 578 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,880 great opportunity for us to to make those changes before the city receives 579 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,520 that information and we put it on to city servers because right now they're 580 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,240 hosting all of that information so that'll be a great opportunity and the 581 00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:48,920 more detailed feedback you or others can provide either through our comment forms 582 00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:53,240 or directly emailing to that to us we'll pass that along and make sure it's it's 583 00:46:53,240 --> 00:47:00,120 captured in there I'm not looking back at the existing mapping to talk about 584 00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:04,400 kind of how we're delivering the future vision I'm not looking back at what the 585 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:09,600 existing map tells me and limiting the recommendations that we're making from a 586 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,400 bicycle connectivity perspective based on the existing network that's there 587 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:19,080 today so the CIP that I put together for this year is a very aggressive approach 588 00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:24,000 to looking at the entire network in the downtown area so you know trying to 589 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:29,000 explore what are some of our opportunities developing sort of a grand 590 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,240 vision I guess if you will of what would a complete and connected network around 591 00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:36,560 downtown look like because we really need to branch and radiate out from the 592 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,480 center of town that's where the majority of our assets and our users are located 593 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:45,000 and then we can start working our way into areas kind of outside the loop if I 594 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:51,120 could use that term so I would say a lot of my focus there is is actually in the 595 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:57,240 CIP itself which will help us update the mapping hopefully with kind of a better 596 00:47:57,240 --> 00:48:01,760 vision of the direction we're headed if that answers your question it does thank 597 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:06,760 you I think you know we've seen that with with the way staff has been handling 598 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:12,080 the flume and and the the thoroughfare portion of the mobility plan to sort of 599 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:16,320 periodically update that as new information comes along and I'm yeah I 600 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:22,960 think that's a great great tact I guess my only feedback was let's let's make 601 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:28,560 sure there's no just simple oopses on the consultant side on their GIS system 602 00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:34,000 because you know some of the the legend entries just don't seem to match up with 603 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,120 what would make sense for the map so I wonder whether there's just a color 604 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:44,040 coding issue or something yeah there so GIS as you have to format things 605 00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,320 correctly to get them to represent the way they're supposed to one of the 606 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:52,520 biggest changes this may help explain actually because I didn't share this in 607 00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:57,200 our feedback to your comments but one of the big challenges I had when I 608 00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:01,680 initially looked at our mapping was that it showed everything on-street as just 609 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,680 kind of on-street and I didn't really have an appreciation for what that meant 610 00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:09,640 because it's an on-street shared street or it's an on-street bike lane there's a 611 00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:14,640 very big difference what those two facilities mean as bicyclists if I'm 612 00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:19,360 sharing the street with cars versus if I have a designated space so that was a 613 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:23,280 big change that that our consultant recently made and that really impacts 614 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:28,760 how the how the mapping at least for existing is visualized yeah because 615 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:34,320 there what was showing up for our Hickory Street separated bike lane was 616 00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:39,760 the same as what showed up for a shared street like a Congress so I think a lot 617 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:44,280 of the changes or a lot of the challenges you're seeing in in actually 618 00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:48,120 understanding what's in the map was based on that change okay and so there 619 00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,800 are some additional tweaks that need to be made now that that update was made 620 00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,920 which actually happened just before the holidays so we haven't even really had 621 00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:00,400 an opportunity ourselves as staff to assess that change and how it influenced 622 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,680 the mapping and then Susie Rimmer also reached out to share that the online map 623 00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:09,640 all the lines are dashed so it's you know if you review the online map it 624 00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,880 would be really difficult to understand what's existing what's proposed so that's 625 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,800 another nuance of how the data is formatted so we're in the process we'll 626 00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:22,640 get there eventually understand thank you and then I guess I have a few 627 00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:28,480 questions probably for pre tam and as I go through these I I really want to 628 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:37,240 emphasize that I'm really trying to not be prescriptive about solutions I'm 629 00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:45,120 trying to explain what challenges I see and what trade-offs I see that we we 630 00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:51,360 might need to understand a little bit more okay and the reason I say that and 631 00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,840 preface this is that this has to do with maybe some of the comments that you've 632 00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,400 received from from council about you know what is the trade-off between 633 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:06,720 different roadway classifications and can you do this and that so I guess 634 00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:14,240 functionally right I see that in this plan we kind of went away from drawing 635 00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:21,440 the collector lines in areas that were not yet developed and so when I look at 636 00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,000 that map I say okay that that means we're trying to provide more flexibility 637 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:31,800 but it also means that I'm not sure what our desire is going forward for how 638 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:35,520 frequent those collector roadways should be in those outlying areas can you 639 00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:41,680 explain how you make that determination yeah I think we've talked internally 640 00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:47,240 about that and yes we're gonna work as developers come in but the primary 641 00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:53,160 intention was to get in with when we have these small area plans I believe 642 00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:58,440 we're getting some direction from council and PNZ members as well to move 643 00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:02,760 into the next phase which is really focusing on the areas that are green 644 00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:07,960 filled and that need to be looked at more and plan more and get into those 645 00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:11,520 areas because internal within the city we already have everything planned out 646 00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:15,880 it's already laid out we have the collector system in there but externally 647 00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:21,080 some of these areas that have been identified do require a little bit 648 00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:25,960 looking into it so as part of those small area plans then we'll get into the 649 00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:30,960 details where we actually look at what is the spacing what are the distances do 650 00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,920 we need more collectors and and that that's the plan and those small area 651 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:41,480 plans will then be fed into this larger comprehensive and if it's an area that 652 00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:45,520 doesn't necessarily have a small area plan that would just be determined by 653 00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:50,760 staff at the application time correct and we'll look at the entire area and 654 00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:56,080 say that yes and there is also a note within the map itself that says that we 655 00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:01,960 will determine provide some flexibility okay to define those and and I guess you 656 00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:06,840 know looking at the distribution of the different types of roadways we have one 657 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:12,720 of the responses I saw was that the the suggested plan with these distributions 658 00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:19,840 was most optimal right and and I guess my question is what does that optimize 659 00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:26,560 for right what combination of say travel speed or cost or safety or volume of 660 00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:31,880 moving cars you know how does it prioritize those things or others to to 661 00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,400 say that this is optimal I realize that's a simple question to a very 662 00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:42,200 complex problem it has a lot of moving parts but to simply answer your question 663 00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:48,600 it is looking at the future capacity need of the system and when we say 664 00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:54,200 capacity and context-sensitive design what we're talking is moving people at 665 00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:58,360 the end of the day it's not necessarily autos on the street and so on so forth 666 00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:02,240 so when we say that we have we need to require that much right of way or that 667 00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:07,840 might win then we can define that public space in a different type of environment 668 00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:14,400 depending on the context and it is purely capacity based okay no that helps 669 00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:21,040 and then I guess when you were explaining that you were explaining that 670 00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:26,200 having multiple lower classifications of roadways can create a safety problem 671 00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:33,280 right which is certainly a concern if if the multiple lower classifications are 672 00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:41,240 used to replace a smaller number of higher classifications is that because 673 00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:46,880 of only the volume of cars or is it because of the speed of cars what what 674 00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:52,920 creates that safety problem it's a couple of things so when we're looking at 675 00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:58,640 safety we're primarily focused on nodes if you may if you look at crash data 676 00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:03,800 it's more on the intersections that you have a lot of crashes that are fatal or 677 00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:09,840 incapacitating and so on so forth so when when we were talking about less 678 00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:15,480 designated roadways they have more access points so there is more chances of 679 00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:20,120 people are getting in and out of these access points and and when you have a 680 00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:25,480 larger designated functional system being replaced by these now you have 681 00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:31,640 higher volume so that's another key component that function into it and then 682 00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:36,800 third thing is people its behavior I mean people do get frustrated they will 683 00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,180 find with all these new different softwares and apps they'll find the 684 00:55:40,180 --> 00:55:46,520 shortest route so they will not only try and get into the smaller and smaller 685 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:52,160 denomination streets but try and make up for that time so you cannot control human 686 00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:56,560 behavior it's like if I have to get to work at eight o'clock in the morning and 687 00:55:56,560 --> 00:56:01,200 I am ten minutes behind today on my schedule I'm going to make it up even if 688 00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:05,640 it's a neighborhood street even if it's a local street so that's that's where now 689 00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:10,400 you're creating now you're putting that person and that one driver is creating 690 00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:16,020 unsafe situation for many people leaving their homes even so that's where the 691 00:56:16,020 --> 00:56:22,020 whole discussion of do we provide and allocate a space for people that want to 692 00:56:22,020 --> 00:56:27,640 move from point A to point B or do we create a space that everyone uses for all 693 00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:32,760 these different needs and that's that was the whole okay no that really helps 694 00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:39,840 thank you I appreciate that to just sort of understand what the concerns are I 695 00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:46,160 guess in in that topology one one more question and then just some closing 696 00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:52,920 thoughts on this issue I've never been fully clear when we do our sort of 697 00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:57,880 subdivision design for new applications that come before us can 698 00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:06,880 we is it allowable from an engineering and legal perspective to design some of 699 00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:12,880 those internal roadways to a speed lower than the 30 miles per hour prima facie 700 00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:18,760 speed independent of the the speed limit that would be enforceable and and legal 701 00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:23,120 within that area yeah we're having multiple discussions about this and I 702 00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:28,720 think Nate and our team internal team has had multiple discussions there are 703 00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:35,240 still several statutes that restrict us state statutes and there's some that 704 00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:39,920 contradict each other so we are working through that one of the things that 705 00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:44,560 other cities are doing are they're passing ordinances and posting speed 706 00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:48,320 limit signs that are lower than 30 miles an hour I believe Flower Mound 707 00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:52,080 recently part of passed an ordinance for some of the residential streets to be 708 00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:56,560 downgraded so there are avenues and options that other cities are explored 709 00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:01,760 exploring but we haven't sat down with our legal counsel yet and discussed 710 00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:07,440 this because this is it's very important that we have that legal support as well 711 00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:12,320 and legal opinion of how can we move forward in this particular okay no 712 00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,080 that's encouraging to know that we're working through that so thank you I 713 00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:20,800 guess just in in closing I'm sorry I've taken so long but I appreciate the 714 00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:28,920 levity I just offer a few thoughts so I completely understand that a large 715 00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:33,560 portion of our city is a suburban development pattern and a large portion 716 00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:39,680 of that future growth will also be that at the fringe the you know these 717 00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:44,560 developments need to be functional for that purpose as they're built I think 718 00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:50,520 looking toward future adaptability is is also a benefit to the city long term 719 00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:58,960 and I just believe that honestly I think the the right-of-way networks that we 720 00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:07,800 create when we do platting have a longer term impact on the land uses that happen 721 00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:12,960 in that area then our zoning regulations do right because it really determines 722 00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:18,240 what sort of compatible uses can go there and so that's why I think this is 723 00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:23,000 really important we have to get it right I also understand that you know we need 724 00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:28,240 to preserve future right-of-way and so when we look at outlying areas that have 725 00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:32,920 you know arterial designations and that looks scary I understand why it looks 726 00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:38,760 scary at the same time you know as we've learned with several of our projects 727 00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:45,280 internal to the city going back later and trying to get more right-of-ways is 728 00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:49,480 very disruptive to the built environment it's very difficult from a financial 729 00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:57,080 perspective so I guess I would say I support creating a map so that we can 730 00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:03,080 get that right-of-way and and what I understand is that we our intention is 731 01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:08,380 only to build those roadways up to the the width that is necessary for the 732 01:00:08,380 --> 01:00:15,000 development at the time and so so I understand that that makes sense I think 733 01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:19,400 what I see when I look at this little s-curve of different roadway 734 01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:25,640 classifications is that really those primary arterials down at the the bottom 735 01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:29,280 right of the graph are essentially our freeways right there are those through 736 01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:34,560 streets for resident non-residents even right that are going through the through 737 01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:39,880 the city there many of them are grade separated for safety which makes them 738 01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:46,400 honestly very expensive but incredibly good at providing that mobility through 739 01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:51,800 through the city that that we need to a certain extent because otherwise you know 740 01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:56,560 we'd be fighting people going to Oklahoma City in order to get our you 741 01:00:56,560 --> 01:01:04,120 know Slurpee at 7-eleven and and I think the concern I hear from residents and 742 01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:09,280 some of the comments is really with the roadways kind of in the designation just 743 01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:14,120 below that when you look in that that five to seven lane kind of whatever the 744 01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:17,880 name of it is right kind of range where you have these these faster roadways 745 01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:24,200 with enough lanes that the crossing distances are much further my impression 746 01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:29,520 is many people really hate these roads right from all sides of things we either 747 01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:33,440 hate the frequent traffic lights that make a stop and wait we've heard that on 748 01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:38,360 this commission before or you know we hate the fact that we can't safely 749 01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:42,640 change lanes twice or more in order to be able to turn into our destination 750 01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:46,040 right I've been in that situation where you have to drive an extra mile to u-turn 751 01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:54,520 and get back right or you know we hate that when when they're blocked by 752 01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:59,040 traffic or a crash there really aren't any alternate routes that we can easily 753 01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:06,080 take and to pretense point then people go on to some routing app and and try to 754 01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:09,560 wreak havoc in a neighborhood and find out they can't get through that way and 755 01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:16,600 get mad and cause a problem right real problem or or we can be disappointed in 756 01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:20,840 them when they tend to isolate our neighborhoods from each other for people 757 01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,520 who might want to get somewhere without driving it's not the majority of our 758 01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:38,000 people right but it is important and so I guess the the my impression is that 759 01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:44,040 they're kind of this middle ground where they don't really serve mobility in a 760 01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:48,600 great way and they don't serve access in a great way unless you're in a very 761 01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:54,640 strict constraint of where you're trying to get to you right they spread out the 762 01:02:54,640 --> 01:03:01,720 land uses they you know even if we put really good safe white balk but by 763 01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:06,440 blocking and waking sorry biking and walking routes along these roads 764 01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:11,800 crossing them is is a huge impediment right I wouldn't send my kids out to 765 01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:19,600 cross some of those roads and and so I guess all that just summarized I think I 766 01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:26,440 would say that you know as we look at those priorities of cost and safety and 767 01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:33,360 traffic volume and speed how do we get people to places my my impression is 768 01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:43,360 that I'd like to understand what a network would look like if it were 769 01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:49,900 designed to try to allay some of those fears that I described right and and yes 770 01:03:49,900 --> 01:03:54,320 it will have trade-offs but I'd like to understand what those trade-offs are and 771 01:03:54,320 --> 01:04:02,400 and I'd like to see you know clarity on on whether that's a desired goal or not 772 01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:08,880 right I mean I see the those priorities as sort of something that should be 773 01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:16,400 coming from the public and from from policy from council really and then you 774 01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:20,320 know we definitely need good engineering practice to say okay well with those 775 01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:27,120 priorities in this order what does that network look like right does that help 776 01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:33,960 sure you know I think it all goes back to this being a plan and this being a 777 01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:41,000 guidance document and as the community develops as we see folks going from point 778 01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:47,360 a to point B as we see the growth going to the outskirts of the city and let's 779 01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:51,360 face it it's not just the outskirts of our city it's now just like you can 780 01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:55,240 drive north on 35 and no longer see the difference between going through 781 01:04:55,240 --> 01:05:00,760 Lewisville Lake Dallas Corinth you know it all into Denton you can't tell where 782 01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:04,880 one city starts and stops that's the same way that the city of Denton is 783 01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:08,320 growing there will become a time where you can't tell where singer starts and 784 01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:12,800 didn't stops so I think you know really the goal of this overall plan is to make 785 01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:17,520 sure that we're providing that accessibility and mobility for the 786 01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:22,520 future growth and giving this as a roadmap a guidance document that helps 787 01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:27,480 with the the types of projects that come before you and the types of projects 788 01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:32,400 that our team delivers through the capital plan so I think it's every 789 01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:41,560 engineers desire as they work through a process to design a roadway whether it 790 01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:47,160 be primary secondary collector XYZ whatever we want to call them that 791 01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:50,760 you're designing it to meet the capacity you're designing it to meet the speed 792 01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:55,040 and you're designing it to me that context-sensitive design that that 793 01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:59,680 really supports the intent and really working folks to get from wherever they 794 01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:04,040 need to go to get out of the city to work or get to their location to take 795 01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:08,360 their children to school go to the grocery store etc so I appreciate your 796 01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:14,080 comments I like I said I really think that you know a lot of the things that 797 01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:18,960 are some of the concerns we're hearing and some of the comments that we're 798 01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:24,080 receiving are things that will work themselves out as we work from a plan 799 01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:28,200 into a design that's the reason why these types of things are updated every 800 01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:32,160 five years we're trying to project a future right now based on the the growth 801 01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:35,960 in the population that we know and where we're seeing development but as those 802 01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:42,160 things continue we will continue to update this based on truth instead of 803 01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:47,440 known statistics and facts yeah and I I really appreciate that just last thing 804 01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:54,720 chair sorry the the concern I have is that when we put I know there's lines on 805 01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:59,160 a map they can be moved etc but there's some expectation that if we put two 806 01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:02,640 lines on a map we actually mean two lines they may move a little bit we may 807 01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:07,720 use some context-sensitive design to determine how those facilities will be 808 01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:15,360 designed and built but this the stuff in between them we're we're kind of saying 809 01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:20,080 well that'll be local roadways right and and so what I'm concerned about is let's 810 01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:25,400 let's make sure we're drawing enough lines of you know not overly classifying 811 01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:30,360 but not underly classifying so that we have enough right-of-way so that we 812 01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:35,960 don't get ourselves in a situation where we would like to design this facility 813 01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:43,320 at speed X right because of the context however because this is the only 814 01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:47,920 facility within three-quarters of a mile of here and it's providing this crucial 815 01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:53,600 mobility connection we feel that to meet the traffic model we have to design it 816 01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:58,800 at X plus 10 right sure and then what you have is this conflict behind the 817 01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:03,840 desires for that context and what we can actually do because five or ten years 818 01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:08,360 ago we only drew one line on the map no I think that makes sense yeah I 819 01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:13,640 completely understand that I also understand that just as we've seen from 820 01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:19,840 the 2015 to the now 2022 plan roadway classifications have changed based on 821 01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:24,760 what's known so you know it's an ever evolving plan the same way that a water 822 01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:28,080 or wastewater master plan is going to look at the capacity that's needed for 823 01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:32,360 the outs you know outside surrounding areas the same way the comp plan is 824 01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:36,200 looking at the land use assumptions based on what we know today we have that 825 01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:41,320 opportunity to do those updates so I appreciate that and I appreciate the 826 01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:46,760 amount of effort that you took to review and provide us feedback thank you very 827 01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:50,200 much for taking that time certainly thank you for all your time and getting 828 01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:54,200 this together it's a huge huge effort and it's it's very impressive so thank 829 01:08:54,200 --> 01:09:01,640 you no problem sir just doing my job I think what it shows with a lot of your 830 01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:04,800 comments in this discussion is I mean this it's complicated right I mean 831 01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:08,880 there's a there's so much there's you know obviously the safety factor the 832 01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:15,520 multimodal ways that people transport themselves it's got to be an 833 01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:20,200 efficient plan I mean there's so much you're dealing with state law so yeah 834 01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:26,640 it's this is complex stuff you know and staff I mean you've done a great job you 835 01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:32,480 know presenting it to us obviously with the draft I think we can sometimes get 836 01:09:32,480 --> 01:09:36,000 caught up in the minutiae of it all as we're dissecting this meeting after 837 01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:40,440 meeting so I think we just have to remember what Becky said is that it's a 838 01:09:40,440 --> 01:09:44,560 plan and it's a concept and you've got to have one to be able to go forward but 839 01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:48,920 as developments come forward that's when we get to the specifics and things get 840 01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:53,640 tweaked in even as things are reviewed and and maybe we're living differently 841 01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:59,760 in the city that's when things get tweaked so yeah so I mean it's all great 842 01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:04,120 discussion but we definitely have to remember that it's a plan that has to be 843 01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:09,480 put forth by the experts putting it forth you know and then you know the 844 01:10:09,480 --> 01:10:15,040 tweaks and specifics can you know will happen along the way as we've seen I 845 01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:20,960 think Commissioner Villarreal has a question is that correct that would be 846 01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:25,080 correct thank you madam chair first off thank you all for the presentation and 847 01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:29,400 for strengthening the language around the safety goal in the mobility plan you 848 01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:32,240 mentioned that we will receive more substantive answers on the Friday 849 01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:36,960 report to have solved some of the safety concerns constituents councilmembers and 850 01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:41,520 commissioners brought to the city's attention from the macro overarching 851 01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:47,400 level what changes can we come to expect I think most of the constituents with 852 01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:50,840 concerns would appreciate a more conservative use of primary arterial 853 01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:56,360 roads when possible and an overall decrease in speed limits when possible a 854 01:10:56,360 --> 01:11:00,280 substantive shift to safety and accessibility especially for pedestrians 855 01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:05,480 and cyclists and perhaps a way from flow and mobility would help assuage most of 856 01:11:05,480 --> 01:11:11,240 those concerns I would believe sure Commissioner Vero thank you very much 857 01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:16,720 for the comment you know as I mentioned before the citywide speed study is 858 01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:20,640 something that's ongoing it's going to be very difficult to address speed as a 859 01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:25,800 part of this overall mobility plan you know we talked a lot about that chart 860 01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:31,280 that showed the different typical design speeds of typical road requests a road 861 01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:37,320 way cross-sections that's a mouthful but you know I think as we work through that 862 01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:40,880 overall citywide speed study there's going to be a lot of comments that come 863 01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:45,120 up we're actually putting some different effort into it that's been done before 864 01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:51,140 Nathan has some GIS layers that we're actually using and adding some additional 865 01:11:51,140 --> 01:11:55,120 data that we haven't typically done before from my understanding so we're 866 01:11:55,120 --> 01:12:00,480 really excited about that process don't be surprised when you start seeing data 867 01:12:00,480 --> 01:12:06,280 being collected all over the city we have a lot of collection points as 868 01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:11,380 Nathan shakes his head so you know I would tell you that ultimately is the 869 01:12:11,380 --> 01:12:16,680 goal of a design professional when they're a transportation engineer when 870 01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:21,280 they're designing a roadway to do the accurate study just like text dot does 871 01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:26,200 just like the county will do to really look at what does the speed of that 872 01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:31,360 roadway need to be so I appreciate that you're gonna hear more speeds going to 873 01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:35,080 be a constant conversation from you know the majority of the folks that spoke 874 01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:42,000 today as we work through those next steps and you know I would say everything 875 01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:48,680 that we do we do the best that we can to provide a safe environment for folks to 876 01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:53,880 walk bike or you know drive their cars that's our goal that's our goal as a 877 01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:57,840 city is to protect the citizens it's my goal as a professional engineer to 878 01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:03,080 protect the public safety health and welfare I take that ethics and actually 879 01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:07,920 do ethics credit every year to make sure that I understand my ethics so you know 880 01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:12,120 I would just say in general a lot of that is is relied on the profession to 881 01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:16,840 make sure that we're making those best decisions I do appreciate the comments 882 01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:21,880 and I think what you can expect like I said not only from the citywide speed 883 01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:26,480 study I think you can also expect from the language just in the mobility plan 884 01:13:26,480 --> 01:13:31,840 like I mentioned more aggressive proactive terminology specifically 885 01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:37,320 related to safety versus the terminology that and wording that's currently in 886 01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:44,240 there what we heard yesterday is it was more reactive or not as aggressive as 887 01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:49,160 what the wording could be to help individuals when they read the plan as 888 01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:52,560 they develop within the city to understand how important safety is to 889 01:13:52,560 --> 01:14:02,280 the city of Den appreciate the answer thank you no problem sir anything else 890 01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:07,480 Becky thank you do you and your team so much time has has been given this and 891 01:14:07,480 --> 01:14:12,760 and to help us understand and and make this city better so look forward to 892 01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:16,480 this continuing to move forward thank you thank you very much we'll see you 893 01:14:16,480 --> 01:14:21,840 Monday absolutely sounds good how about we take a quick break before we move into 894 01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:27,600 the comp plan why don't we go ahead and adjourn here at 1116 return in ten 895 01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:35,160 minutes thanks hello and welcome back to the Planning and Zoning Commission work 896 01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:41,200 session for February 9th I'll call us back to order at 1135 a.m. we will move 897 01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:46,120 on to our second work session report which is receive a report hold a 898 01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:50,640 discussion and give staff direction regarding the Denton 2040 comp plan 899 01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:57,480 update and I believe Tina will be presenting hi Commissioner Ellis and hi 900 01:14:57,480 --> 01:15:02,200 Commission well thank you for joining us this morning I know you all have busy 901 01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:07,600 schedules and so we greatly appreciate you taking time out to to discuss not 902 01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:11,000 only the mobility plan which we just had some really good discussion but also to 903 01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:16,760 talk about the comprehensive plan before I get started with our presentation just 904 01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:21,280 wanted to address one particular item and that is you're probably wondering you 905 01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:24,800 know given all the conversation we had with City Council yesterday and now 906 01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:28,040 we've got our Planning and Zoning Commission meeting why are we might be 907 01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:31,800 why we might be having these discussions right and so it's really important that 908 01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:34,880 we continue to have have the conversations with Council but also the 909 01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:39,120 Planning and Zoning Commission because while Council may have given us direction 910 01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:42,480 on certain items you know we can share that with you as the Planning and Zoning 911 01:15:42,480 --> 01:15:48,160 Commission and see if you concur or if you disagree on on a particular path that 912 01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:52,680 worked that we're taking and then so that will help us formulate our 913 01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:57,480 discussion on Monday when we have the joint meeting if we have items where we 914 01:15:57,480 --> 01:16:01,000 where we're not in sync with each other then it's important that we try to work 915 01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:06,520 through those issues before we move into the public hearing phase and so you know 916 01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:10,360 given the direction that we've received from Council yesterday we'll share that 917 01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:13,480 where we can throughout this presentation there's some additional work 918 01:16:13,480 --> 01:16:16,760 that we're having to prepare for or some additional responses that we're having 919 01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:20,760 to prepare for the the meeting on Monday but definitely want to hear where the 920 01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:23,560 Planning and Zoning Commission's head is at right so it's important that we get 921 01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:26,800 your direction because you're two independent bodies the council 922 01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:30,680 obviously looks to the Commission for recommendation on on all things planning 923 01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:35,320 related so please don't feel like that you're having to be tempered as a result 924 01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:39,160 of the direction received if you think that we should consider an alternate 925 01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:43,040 direction then by all means I would love to hear that so that again we can tee up 926 01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:48,000 that discussion for Monday before I get fully into this presentation you 927 01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:51,240 probably should see a friendly face on the zoom screen with me that's Ed Boyk 928 01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:55,880 from Matrix Design Group he and I will be doing a joint presentation this 929 01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:59,160 afternoon and Ed will be sharing the presentation slide since the bulk of the 930 01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:03,520 presentation is with him we also have Ron Mangida on our team Ron should be 931 01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:08,800 there in the council chambers and so our resident expert as well of all things 932 01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:14,240 Denton and especially our long-range planning history and then one other item 933 01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:18,940 to note is for your benefit and I know you're eating lunch right now but if you 934 01:17:18,940 --> 01:17:22,560 find that we need to take a break in between sessions or discussion items 935 01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:27,560 please let me know this is an aggressive presentation and discussion that needs 936 01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:31,040 to take place our goal is to try and get you out as close to two o'clock as 937 01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:34,560 possible so hence why we were trying to make sure we had about two and a half 938 01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:38,520 hours of discussion for the for the the comprehensive plan but the way our 939 01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:44,240 presentation is structured is that we we will present a topic and then take have 940 01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:47,040 an opportunity for discussion and direction before we move on to the next 941 01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:52,640 topic so with that let's go ahead and get fully started as we've been talking 942 01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:56,120 about in the past and I know we've had the opportunity to have discussion I 943 01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:59,840 believe it was on January 12th in addition to we've had more recent 944 01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:04,240 discussion on January 2016 about the comprehensive plan and in the work that 945 01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:08,960 we're doing as we've communicated in the past this truly is an update to our 946 01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:14,680 comprehensive plan it's a review and an update of our vision our goals policies 947 01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:20,280 and action items to assess their relevancy with conditions today when we 948 01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:24,600 did the 2030 plan that was an extensive complete rewrite of the city's 949 01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:28,880 comprehensive plan and so and at that time it had been at least 15 years since 950 01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:32,080 the conference of plan has been updated here we're in a different situation 951 01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:37,600 where we have the the plan that was adopted of circa 2015 we've started this 952 01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:41,480 update process around the onset of the pandemic and so hence why we're 953 01:18:41,480 --> 01:18:45,280 reviewing this document more from that update perspective that's how this 954 01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:48,860 project was originally scoped at the onset and the budget provided for it 955 01:18:48,860 --> 01:18:53,180 accordingly so hence why it's a continued conversation about the 956 01:18:53,180 --> 01:18:57,160 relevancy of the city's existing vision statement that's within our plan our 957 01:18:57,160 --> 01:19:01,920 goals policies and action items but then also identifying where we may need to 958 01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:07,760 have some refinements that are made next slide please so the feedback that we 959 01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:11,280 have received so far from the planning and zoning Commission the City Council 960 01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:15,920 as well as the community itself has been extensive and based upon that feedback 961 01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:20,400 that we have received we have structured our conversation today and in this 962 01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:24,940 presentation based upon the one central common theme that keeps rising to the 963 01:19:24,940 --> 01:19:29,320 top and that is how do we best manage the growth for Denton and then exactly 964 01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:34,200 what does that translate to for us additionally this has been an extensive 965 01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:37,600 coordinated effort with Gary Packen and the parks and 966 01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:41,680 recreation team as you're well aware of they've been working on the updates to 967 01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:46,040 their parks master plan and additionally this has been an extensive coordinated 968 01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:50,600 effort with Becky Davini and her team in engineering with respect to the mobility 969 01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:55,200 plan and also pre-TAM on our planning team as well but I can assure you this 970 01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:59,440 this has been extensive coordination between these two groups as well as any 971 01:19:59,440 --> 01:20:02,560 other policies that we have adopted for the city but knowing that we're in the 972 01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:06,200 process of updating the comprehensive plan the mobility palette plan and the 973 01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:10,960 parks and recreation master plan it was essential that we are all coordinating 974 01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:14,600 with each other in adopting policies that support each other and are not 975 01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:20,320 necessarily in direct conflict so before I get into the rest of this 976 01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:24,800 agenda slide couple would like to just set a few ground rules if we could this 977 01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:28,920 proved to be very beneficial with City Council yesterday and not trying to take 978 01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:32,520 over your your role as chair Commissioner Ellis but what we found that 979 01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:35,840 worked out well with the City Council in order for us to be able to get the 980 01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:40,280 direction that we that we need and to be able to move forward given given all the 981 01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:44,120 topics that we need to cover so the first item would be is we need clear 982 01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:48,560 concise direction today and yes Commissioner Prude I'm looking at you so 983 01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:54,200 from across the land but it's it's important that we get that clear concise 984 01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:57,920 direction we are trying to get this project across the finish line for March 985 01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:02,360 1st and we're gonna be moving into the public hearing adoption phase with the 986 01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:05,440 planning and zoning Commission having their first public hearing on February 987 01:21:05,440 --> 01:21:09,800 23rd and then providing presumably get a recommendation on the Commission then we 988 01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:13,520 have this slated for City Council on March 1st we have additional work that 989 01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:17,280 we need to get underway and get accomplished but we can't do it until we 990 01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:20,760 get the comprehensive plan as well as the mobility plan across the finish line 991 01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:25,840 the other item that we need from us today is we need concurrence amongst the 992 01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:29,720 Commission or at least a majority of those president present on how we move 993 01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:32,560 forward with each topic that we're presenting so that way we can make any 994 01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:37,160 refinements to the document that we need to make moving forward into our public 995 01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:40,940 hearing and adoption phase as you can see here we've got several topics to 996 01:21:40,940 --> 01:21:44,800 cover there's about seven topics with a roughly I guess a little less than two 997 01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:48,040 and a half hours to achieve that in really what happens is that limits our 998 01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:52,960 discussion on each topic to about 20 minutes or so Ron's there to be able to 999 01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:56,200 assist in a timekeeper function Commissioner Ellis if we're having 1000 01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:58,880 extensive discussion he may give hold his hand up and give you a five-minute 1001 01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:05,080 warning but if if we find that we need to spend more time on a particular topic 1002 01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:09,440 that that's fine it'll just take away time from other topics that we need to 1003 01:22:09,440 --> 01:22:13,720 get to additionally if we find that we're not able to achieve consensus on a 1004 01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:16,720 particular direction as to how we move forward we also have the ability to 1005 01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:20,560 basically park that topic off to the side if you will and then we can bring 1006 01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:25,320 that back on Monday when we have the joint meeting with the City Council also 1007 01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:29,240 as I alluded to earlier the way we've got our presentation structured is as we 1008 01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:32,120 present each topic then we'll have an opportunity for some discussion and 1009 01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:36,440 direction if you could allow us to be able to get through our presentation on 1010 01:22:36,440 --> 01:22:41,680 that particular topic I think then that will really help us with the with the 1011 01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:45,600 discussion that we need to have and receive your direction and then lastly 1012 01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:49,080 just a reminder and I know we've talked about this in the past but remember the 1013 01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:53,480 comprehensive plan it's a policy document therefore it needs to be a 1014 01:22:53,480 --> 01:22:57,920 flexible living document to be able to guide our growth in our investment within 1015 01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:02,840 Denton it has a 20-year horizon associated with it and if there's 1016 01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:06,040 anything here most recently we're proven that we continue to update our 1017 01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:09,360 comprehensive plan so obviously with this this update that we're doing right 1018 01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:13,560 now but we would continue to evaluate and update this plan every five to ten 1019 01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:16,640 years additionally you know I mentioned some of that additional work that needs 1020 01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:21,920 to take place we really see that as part of our work program doing area plans in 1021 01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:26,520 the future and I know the Commission has supported this idea in the past but that 1022 01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:31,680 allows us to do that deeper dive finer grain analysis when it comes to certain 1023 01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:35,760 areas within the community so the the comprehensive plan will provide that 1024 01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:39,640 framework and vision but as we do those area plans then that allows us to be 1025 01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:43,160 even more refined and get into more of the weeds that sometimes we have a 1026 01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:48,640 tendency on wanting to do so with that just reviewing our agenda slide then 1027 01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:53,000 with you this this morning so again we'll have a conversation about the 1028 01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:57,000 vision statement and how that frames up the additional work in and direction 1029 01:23:57,000 --> 01:24:01,080 that we've provided for in the in the comprehensive plan secondly we're going 1030 01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:04,760 to talk about future development within our extraterritorial jurisdiction or 1031 01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:09,320 ETJ and we'll address the city's limited regulatory authority I know we've had a 1032 01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:13,040 lot of conversation with City Council about this maybe not as much with the 1033 01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:17,000 planning and zoning Commission but this has really been an item of concern at 1034 01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:21,640 least for councils been concerned on how best do we shade the the colors if you 1035 01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:26,920 will on the future land use map and in particularly knowing that there are 1036 01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:30,480 concerns regarding additional growth and development within the community and 1037 01:24:30,480 --> 01:24:35,000 also wanting to preserve some of the existing character of the areas within 1038 01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:41,120 the ETJ how best do we influence that area to either limit development or at 1039 01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:44,000 least get the development that we're interested in having in the right place 1040 01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:48,000 then the next topic that we're going to talk about is this preferred pattern of 1041 01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:51,320 land preservation and this is also that is something that has come from City 1042 01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:57,360 Council and so in really again along those lines of how do we limit growth in 1043 01:24:57,360 --> 01:25:01,880 certain areas obviously being cognizant of our environmentally sensitive areas 1044 01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:06,720 our floodplain areas also our community is very interested in preserving trees 1045 01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:11,560 so how does that all work together in this idea of land preservation then 1046 01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:16,720 we'll move into the future land use map I know in on January 26 ed shared with 1047 01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:20,240 you areas where we're proposing to make changes so he'll go back through and 1048 01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:23,720 just highlight some of those areas and we'll be able to address any comments 1049 01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:26,440 we receive from the Commission in the past where we've made changes and where 1050 01:25:26,440 --> 01:25:31,240 we haven't then we really move into that implementation phase and and and to me 1051 01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:35,280 this is the exciting part once we get the conference of plan adopted we're 1052 01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:39,000 allowed to move into the implementation phase because that's where the 270 1053 01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:43,240 action items that we have included within the plan document to help us with 1054 01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:46,880 implementing what we want our community to be in the future and this is really 1055 01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:49,840 where the rubber hits the road as we start working on these action items and 1056 01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:55,040 so Ed's gonna share some information about how the goals policies and action 1057 01:25:55,040 --> 01:26:01,000 items work as we move as we work on the implementation and why with this being a 1058 01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:05,920 policy document while we still have to have that higher level perspective and 1059 01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:09,520 not getting into so much of the weeds on how we accomplish all of the action 1060 01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:13,480 items then we'll move into the area plans discussion in infill 1061 01:26:13,480 --> 01:26:17,880 redevelopment because we really see that that's the part of our future as we move 1062 01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:21,920 forward with our with our implementation and then lastly I'll wrap up with the 1063 01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:25,720 next steps and in the calendar that that Becky alluded to you that I would be 1064 01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:29,920 sharing when she gave her presentation on the mobility plan so with that let's 1065 01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:34,760 go ahead and proceed to the next slide so as I mentioned earlier with all of 1066 01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:37,040 the comments and the feedback we received both from the planning and 1067 01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:40,080 zoning Commission Council in the community that that central theme and 1068 01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:43,880 question really comes about is how do we manage growth and through the through 1069 01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:48,120 the feedback that we have received today our vision statement still holds true in 1070 01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:52,640 this slide here summarizes much of what we are interested in seeing for the 1071 01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:56,040 future of Denton our community is interested in having that managed 1072 01:26:56,040 --> 01:26:59,800 balanced sustainable growth with throughout the community we're 1073 01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:03,660 interested in having compact development and mixed-use development as well as an 1074 01:27:03,660 --> 01:27:08,360 investment in and infill development occurring within our city and it and 1075 01:27:08,360 --> 01:27:12,480 within the appropriate portions of our city right we're also interested in 1076 01:27:12,480 --> 01:27:15,800 having an efficient transportation system addressing multiple 1077 01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:19,120 transportation modes throughout the city so hence why you know it's been 1078 01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:22,880 essential that we coordinate with Becky and her team as we look at not only 1079 01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:26,080 moving vehicles through our community but also how do we accommodate the needs 1080 01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:30,120 of both pedestrians and bicyclists and I believe you know and in that previous 1081 01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:34,720 presentation you really saw how our emphasis is on pedestrians and bicycles 1082 01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:38,720 and how we are trying to make strides in improving that for those modes of 1083 01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:43,600 transportation also we our vision statement addresses how best do we want 1084 01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:47,080 to address our major highway travel quarters so really those are the windows 1085 01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:51,400 into the community and in a previous committee city I worked in my planning 1086 01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:54,480 zoning Commission chair I thought he sent it up correctly when he said really 1087 01:27:54,480 --> 01:27:58,080 those highway quarters they truly are the windows into our community because 1088 01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:01,040 whether you're a resident of Denton and driving through Denton or maybe you're 1089 01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:04,320 not a resident Denton and you're just passing through if you're passing through 1090 01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:07,480 on the highways that really gives you an opportunity to see what what is that 1091 01:28:07,480 --> 01:28:11,280 what is that community like where do some of their priorities lie with 1092 01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:15,200 respect to how their community is is developing you know in our case when we 1093 01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:18,840 have I know tree preservation is significant for us so you know it may be 1094 01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:22,760 you in Denton that it's more noticeable more trees that are visible right but 1095 01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:26,280 really it's it's those windows into the community that where someone sees just a 1096 01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:31,160 glimpse of what our our city is like we're also as a city of Denton we're 1097 01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:35,760 also interested in having well-planned infrastructure to serve our city not 1098 01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:39,960 only from a mobility standpoint with our roads in our bicycle trails on our 1099 01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:44,120 sidewalks but really also taking into consideration how are we planning for 1100 01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:49,560 water and wastewater needs you know with Denton municipal electric and in 1101 01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:53,000 providing electrical service we're interested in having that well-planned 1102 01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:58,440 infrastructure also we are interested in having parks greenways streams again 1103 01:28:58,440 --> 01:29:02,600 tree canopy preservation all of that integrated in some form or fashion 1104 01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:07,680 throughout the comprehensive plan and then also is important that we again are 1105 01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:10,560 having that coordinated with the parks team with their master plan that they're 1106 01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:14,360 working on and lastly it's the environmental stewardship and the 1107 01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:17,800 sustainable practices that resonates throughout the the feedback that we 1108 01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:20,960 received from the community and continues to still be a common theme 1109 01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:24,440 within the comprehensive plan so you know all of these items that I just 1110 01:29:24,440 --> 01:29:30,800 explained here that are they frame up the goals that we have which in our 1111 01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:35,640 proposed 2040 comprehensive plan we have 35 goals that help us with implementing 1112 01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:39,560 our vision we've got a hundred and twenty three policies that further 1113 01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:44,240 refine those goals but as I mentioned earlier we have those 270 action items 1114 01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:47,880 that are provided for within this comprehensive plan to help us implement 1115 01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:54,160 our vision over time so based upon that feedback that we have received from not 1116 01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:57,640 only you but council in the community we believe that the vision statement is 1117 01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:03,360 still relevant as the guiding vision for Denton and so this continues then 1118 01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:07,560 provide the framework as we move into these next topics and as we work to 1119 01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:11,520 complete the conference of plan if there are no questions or comments regarding 1120 01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:15,120 this then we can move on but I'll pause here for a moment to see if there's any 1121 01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:23,520 discussion that's needed I do not see any hands raised Tina so go ahead and 1122 01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:27,320 continue thank you okay excellent well now I'm going to turn it over to Ed as 1123 01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:32,560 we work through these remaining topics thank you Tina I'm Ed Boyk with Matrix 1124 01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:36,760 design group thank you chair members of the Commission for having me here today 1125 01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:41,720 I'm going to start to work through the different topic areas as Tina had 1126 01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:47,920 described that where we saw additional comments or additional clarification 1127 01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:54,000 needed to help make sure the Commission and City Council were both aware of how 1128 01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:57,560 they fit into the approach of the comprehensive plan how they've been 1129 01:30:57,560 --> 01:31:01,640 addressed what some of the considerations might be and also it 1130 01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:05,880 provides an opportunity as she had noted for additional discussion and where I'm 1131 01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:13,960 going to start is with discussion about the ETJs so as as many of you I'm sure 1132 01:31:13,960 --> 01:31:19,120 are completely aware the ETJ is a five-mile radius that extends around the 1133 01:31:19,120 --> 01:31:23,800 city of Denton corporate limits there's two different divisions to the ETJ 1134 01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:28,520 there's a division one which the city retains subdivision review rights and 1135 01:31:28,520 --> 01:31:35,400 there's ETJ division two which the city has no authority for development review 1136 01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:42,200 ETJs were I would say severely hampered in terms of what the city's authority 1137 01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:48,560 could be through a Senate bill six which is approved several years ago and it 1138 01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:53,560 restricted cities from being able to apply regulations related to zoning land 1139 01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:58,840 use and density on developments but that were found within the ETJ Denton has 1140 01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:03,320 also entered to these interlocal agreement interlocal agreements with 1141 01:32:03,320 --> 01:32:06,680 Denton County which is you know as I described a moment ago further 1142 01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:13,800 restricted some of those development review authorities in the division two 1143 01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:17,720 where there is no authority for the subdivision review but even though the 1144 01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:23,440 state Senate that was at state Senate bill six when it passed restricted the 1145 01:32:23,440 --> 01:32:27,360 ability of the city to write you to do zoning review and land use regulation 1146 01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:31,640 review the city still retains the rights through that for subdivision review and 1147 01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:35,560 review for other things such as improvement districts or municipal 1148 01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:40,640 development districts some water considerations signs access and roads 1149 01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:46,480 streams water shed protection and then the ability to enter into agreements if 1150 01:32:46,480 --> 01:32:51,360 there is a need to enter an agreement with a developer for those developments 1151 01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:56,960 within the ETJ so because of that it's still valuable for the city to have a 1152 01:32:56,960 --> 01:33:02,720 policy established in the comprehensive plan which dictates the vision of the 1153 01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:06,840 community in terms of land use in that ETJ and so you'll see in these upcoming 1154 01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:12,520 slides where the information received from the Commission the council the 1155 01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:15,400 community in the past as well as coordination with the city staff is 1156 01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:21,880 informed along with best practices a land use policy for the ETJ which was 1157 01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:28,760 largely absent from the 2030 plan making and this map is just a blow-up of the 1158 01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:34,360 west side of Denton which shows the shading that is proposed in the ETJ for 1159 01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:38,840 agricultural and the light green and rural land uses and one of the comments 1160 01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:45,480 we had received was that there are many municipal utility districts that are 1161 01:33:45,480 --> 01:33:49,160 located within the ETJ and those municipal utility districts because of 1162 01:33:49,160 --> 01:33:54,200 the Senate bill 6 which I just described a moment ago have secured rights through 1163 01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:59,080 for development plans that it can be enacted through state legislation and 1164 01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:03,240 they don't necessarily need to follow the zoning or land use policies of the 1165 01:34:03,240 --> 01:34:07,960 city however the city does retain the ability to do subdivision review some of 1166 01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:11,680 those municipal utility districts have moved substantially through the process 1167 01:34:11,680 --> 01:34:15,920 or have entered into the process or moving through a state legislative 1168 01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:22,360 process right now to be developed and those that are moving forward are 1169 01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:27,200 illustrated on this map now one through four and since the last time this future 1170 01:34:27,200 --> 01:34:29,900 land use map was presented those land uses have been changed for those 1171 01:34:29,900 --> 01:34:34,360 municipal utility districts from the previous colors to low density 1172 01:34:34,360 --> 01:34:37,920 residential which reflects the development density that have been 1173 01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:42,680 proposed for those developments and and there's a good reason for that is that 1174 01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:48,400 it reflects the reality of the built condition that exists today either 1175 01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:54,200 through approved plans or will be on the ground into the future as a reality 1176 01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:58,320 through the approval of those plans so it's a forward-looking land use plan 1177 01:34:58,320 --> 01:35:02,320 it's looking forward and saying these are going to be low density areas it's 1178 01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:06,720 appropriate to illustrate those as low density because the city will not have 1179 01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:11,400 an opportunity to enact a different land use policy on those areas moving 1180 01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:18,640 forward as for the remainder though the remainder of the area is to be retained 1181 01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:22,480 with the colors that were there before and the reason for that will be talked 1182 01:35:22,480 --> 01:35:27,400 about in upcoming sections related to the preferred pattern of land 1183 01:35:27,400 --> 01:35:37,840 preservation and other specifically land preservation discussion because the land 1184 01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:43,080 uses that are in the periphery reflect the vision of the city to have a managed 1185 01:35:43,080 --> 01:35:47,960 approach to growth a balanced approach to growth for one where growth can be 1186 01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:53,360 accommodated on the periphery of the community but it's also the intention of 1187 01:35:53,360 --> 01:36:02,360 Denton to do what it can to encourage development landowners to consider the 1188 01:36:02,360 --> 01:36:05,720 long-term vision for preservation of heritage preservation of rural spaces 1189 01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:10,880 preservation of open spaces or at least accommodating that into their development 1190 01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:16,720 plans so that can become an opportunity for the city to use as a basis of 1191 01:36:16,720 --> 01:36:23,240 negotiation with these municipal utility districts if they seek city approval or 1192 01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:28,840 concurrence with their projects to encourage them to consider this land use 1193 01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:33,640 vision as a development of plans it doesn't mean that the city can exert total 1194 01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:39,040 authority over the densities and types of developments that are proposed but it 1195 01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:44,720 does provide that policy framework from which you can have discussion and move 1196 01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:50,680 forward and hopefully encourage those developments to incorporate aspects of 1197 01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:57,440 Denton's policies procedures and regulations which are aligned with the 1198 01:36:57,440 --> 01:37:04,180 vision for Denton maybe that's you know parks related maybe it's a density 1199 01:37:04,180 --> 01:37:09,320 related maybe it's streets and connectivity related but it helps to like 1200 01:37:09,320 --> 01:37:13,560 I said establish that baseline that framework for discussion to move forward 1201 01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:23,440 so that's the discussion mostly on the MUDs and there's two options one which 1202 01:37:23,440 --> 01:37:26,000 was the staff recommendation that was brought to council was to just 1203 01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:32,160 illustrate the MUDs that have either been approved or moved substantially 1204 01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:34,880 through the process as low-density residential which you could see on the 1205 01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:40,480 west side of Denton and then include notes for the potential that additional 1206 01:37:40,480 --> 01:37:45,280 municipal utility districts could be proposed in the ETJ and the option to on 1207 01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:48,840 the right was also provided to council for consideration and provided to you 1208 01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:53,160 for consideration is to not only illustrate those MUDs with the low 1209 01:37:53,160 --> 01:37:59,160 density residential land use that have moved substantially through the process 1210 01:37:59,160 --> 01:38:05,840 or been approved but then also to outline in a color maybe it's pink those 1211 01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:12,600 municipal utility districts that Denton is aware of are conceptual in nature but 1212 01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:18,840 have not moved to the point of being and being submitted for application through 1213 01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:25,600 a state processor moved to be considered a development plan with the city 1214 01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:30,000 through any negotiations with the city so that way it's a little bit more 1215 01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:34,640 transparent as well to the community that while the overall vision for the 1216 01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:40,000 ETJ is to have rural land uses and agricultural land uses and balance the 1217 01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:44,360 growth on the periphery with infill and redevelopment inside the community and 1218 01:38:44,360 --> 01:38:50,280 the more developed areas there is a potential that because of state law 1219 01:38:50,280 --> 01:38:56,760 there there could be additional subdivisions or these MUDs in the ETJ 1220 01:38:56,760 --> 01:39:01,160 which do not conform with the land use plan and it's just putting on the plan 1221 01:39:01,160 --> 01:39:05,760 to disclose it on one hand on option one it keeps the map a little bit cleaner a 1222 01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:12,800 little bit more easy to read on option two it just adds additional designation 1223 01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:19,360 to the map which is already a very busy map but it does more clearly I guess in 1224 01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:22,920 some ways or puts it right in front of your face that these are these 1225 01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:26,920 opportunities that we are aware of right now with MUDs that may move forward but 1226 01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:32,880 have not moved forward at this point and so at this point we want to open up for 1227 01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:36,320 discussion and direction on this since this is the some of the comments we had 1228 01:39:36,320 --> 01:39:39,240 received in the past was how do you handle the ETJ how do you handle MUDs 1229 01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:42,560 what's the value of having land use policy there what are some of the 1230 01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:47,840 concerns that Denton might have with having that land use designation in land 1231 01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:54,480 they don't control and really again just to summarize it's beneficial to have the 1232 01:39:54,480 --> 01:39:58,360 land use policy there because it helps to reflect on the future land use plan 1233 01:39:58,360 --> 01:40:04,080 the development vision for the community moving forward through the year 2040 but 1234 01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:09,280 it's also helpful to illustrate those MUDs where the community is aware of 1235 01:40:09,280 --> 01:40:14,760 those that are moving they're already approved and not able to conform with 1236 01:40:14,760 --> 01:40:19,600 the plan for the future land use so those are the updates that are provided 1237 01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:28,160 for you for discussion in any direction thanks and with regard to that mud map 1238 01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:34,240 there was extensive discussion I know yesterday at council so a couple of 1239 01:40:34,240 --> 01:40:40,660 questions I have is is the staff recommendation that just because it's a 1240 01:40:40,660 --> 01:40:44,480 cleaner looking map I'm trying to understand why option one is the 1241 01:40:44,480 --> 01:40:49,400 recommendation that's my first question my second question is what transpires 1242 01:40:49,400 --> 01:40:55,760 out of council yesterday with regard to this map sure thing and I'll go ahead 1243 01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:59,880 and take that question you're welcome so in terms of those staff 1244 01:40:59,880 --> 01:41:05,880 recommendation the reason why we put forth the map and in our recommendation 1245 01:41:05,880 --> 01:41:11,840 on this was because of the the status of the MUDs that one are existing or two 1246 01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:16,240 that are that are well down the process of being created the ones that are 1247 01:41:16,240 --> 01:41:20,920 existing though as I understand it Lala Ranch up there in the very northwest 1248 01:41:20,920 --> 01:41:25,180 portion of the community that yellow rectangle if you will we also have then 1249 01:41:25,180 --> 01:41:31,320 the ones that are closer to 380 let's see legends is is not fully approved yet 1250 01:41:31,320 --> 01:41:36,760 through the state legislature OLEX which is also known as Meadows and then Astra 1251 01:41:36,760 --> 01:41:41,960 thank you Ed those are either approved or such far down on the process that we 1252 01:41:41,960 --> 01:41:45,040 felt like given the direction that we received from council that we go ahead 1253 01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:49,240 and illustrate those as the low-density residential developments that they are 1254 01:41:49,240 --> 01:41:56,320 the others you know they they are not as further advanced if you will in terms of 1255 01:41:56,320 --> 01:42:01,560 their formulation and for the Commission I don't recall how much discussion we've 1256 01:42:01,560 --> 01:42:06,320 had on these municipal utility districts but just for the Commission's benefit 1257 01:42:06,320 --> 01:42:09,960 you know these are typically created through a legislative process they're 1258 01:42:09,960 --> 01:42:14,160 they're separate apart from the city of Denton the one exception would be is that 1259 01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:21,480 the developers may seek consent from the city of Denton if if we grant consent to 1260 01:42:21,480 --> 01:42:26,520 the creation of these months then it may provide maybe a shorter time frame in 1261 01:42:26,520 --> 01:42:30,760 working with the Texas Commission on environmental quality to seek you to get 1262 01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:34,880 through their process we do not necessarily have to grant consent if we 1263 01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:38,840 do not then it's just a little bit longer process as we understand it but 1264 01:42:38,840 --> 01:42:43,320 but they they're really they're they're created through state legislature we 1265 01:42:43,320 --> 01:42:46,880 have really no regulatory authority over over them especially with them being out 1266 01:42:46,880 --> 01:42:53,360 in the ETJ - we do have the ability to enter into a development agreement if 1267 01:42:53,360 --> 01:42:57,680 you will with them regarding certain services being provided and in typically 1268 01:42:57,680 --> 01:43:02,200 one of the services that that comes to light is fire protection service just 1269 01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:06,440 because of the we weren't there's an interest in making sure that when when 1270 01:43:06,440 --> 01:43:10,000 people call 9-1-1 that their needs are being met and who's gonna be the 1271 01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:15,280 closest responding fire station team and so really that that's gonna be coming and 1272 01:43:15,280 --> 01:43:18,280 all likely probably from the city of Denton depending upon where some of 1273 01:43:18,280 --> 01:43:22,720 these muds locate their their police service is provided then through the 1274 01:43:22,720 --> 01:43:27,440 county but our recommendation was an acknowledgement based upon direction 1275 01:43:27,440 --> 01:43:31,800 that council had given us because there I think the concern and as Ed pointed 1276 01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:38,840 out was transparency acknowledging that they're there and so and then so hence 1277 01:43:38,840 --> 01:43:42,840 why we went with option one you know option to those muds that we have 1278 01:43:42,840 --> 01:43:46,520 outlined in pink they're just not as far along in the process so they may or may 1279 01:43:46,520 --> 01:43:50,520 not come to fruition you know the La La Ranch expansion area up there in the 1280 01:43:50,520 --> 01:43:54,040 northwest quadrant we have been in conversations with them recently because 1281 01:43:54,040 --> 01:43:58,360 they were seeking consent from City Council so from what I understand you 1282 01:43:58,360 --> 01:44:00,720 know that that's one of the ones that's a little bit farther along maybe 1283 01:44:00,720 --> 01:44:04,440 compared to some of the others but council felt like it was best to show 1284 01:44:04,440 --> 01:44:09,240 where these other muds could potentially occur because the other aspect with 1285 01:44:09,240 --> 01:44:12,120 these is that you know they could potentially steer and influence 1286 01:44:12,120 --> 01:44:16,200 additional development that's happening within the HEJ over time and so it 1287 01:44:16,200 --> 01:44:19,920 becomes an acknowledgement of that potential residential land use in that 1288 01:44:19,920 --> 01:44:23,480 area and the last thing I would add with respect to muds you know one of the 1289 01:44:23,480 --> 01:44:27,280 reasons why the the developers pursue them is so that they're not having to 1290 01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:30,760 comply with the city's ordinances so for example they're not having to comply 1291 01:44:30,760 --> 01:44:33,680 with our tree preservation requirements they're not having to comply with any 1292 01:44:33,680 --> 01:44:37,840 of our zoning regulations that that we have you know we have our gas well 1293 01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:43,440 regulations so our gas well setback provisions that come into play they 1294 01:44:43,440 --> 01:44:47,760 would not have to comply with those and so hence why they they create a separate 1295 01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:51,680 political entities of themselves so that they do not have that zoning oversight 1296 01:44:51,680 --> 01:44:56,920 that the city would otherwise exercise if they were annexed into the city okay 1297 01:44:56,920 --> 01:45:02,240 thanks Tina yeah I kind of like option too I'm just a fan of more information I 1298 01:45:02,240 --> 01:45:06,520 guess is why it's a little bit more transparent to me that's just my opinion 1299 01:45:06,520 --> 01:45:10,740 and I was just curious as to what that discussion was and Scott is arriving at 1300 01:45:10,740 --> 01:45:17,600 the podium hello Scott thank you just wanted to follow up and I think one of 1301 01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:20,960 the questions that and I don't know that I got answered that ultimately council 1302 01:45:20,960 --> 01:45:24,880 was really on the path of option two okay and that is what I wanted to know 1303 01:45:24,880 --> 01:45:31,040 option to have the outlines of those that may potentially become you know a 1304 01:45:31,040 --> 01:45:35,360 municipal utility district so so that is what came out of Council yesterday that's 1305 01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:38,880 the difference between the two maps and that's really were the majority of 1306 01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:45,880 council had landed yesterday okay good to know any questions from the 1307 01:45:45,880 --> 01:45:49,800 Commission regarding this Commissioner perot thank you chair just real briefly 1308 01:45:49,800 --> 01:45:55,760 I prefer option one and I'll just offer that the reason is that I think this 1309 01:45:55,760 --> 01:46:00,960 needs to be a relatively timeless document that doesn't become stale 1310 01:46:00,960 --> 01:46:05,280 immediately I think our efforts are better served by really looking into our 1311 01:46:05,280 --> 01:46:09,440 subdivision regulations to see if we're doing everything we can to encourage the 1312 01:46:09,440 --> 01:46:14,000 type of rural development in these areas that we would like to see with the 1313 01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:18,200 little limited amount of controls that we have and so I think going option two 1314 01:46:18,200 --> 01:46:23,520 is it's creating a situation where we're gonna have to update it every three 1315 01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:27,480 months for the next ten years right and I don't know what value it brings other 1316 01:46:27,480 --> 01:46:37,000 than just saying oh so that's my thoughts one in to add to that and thank 1317 01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:40,440 you for the observation on that Commissioner perot in India where 1318 01:46:40,440 --> 01:46:45,480 that's why we have the language that their potential municipal utility 1319 01:46:45,480 --> 01:46:50,520 districts in their petitioning for state approval is to acknowledge that that we 1320 01:46:50,520 --> 01:46:53,440 know that they're out there but that they're not fully approved or through 1321 01:46:53,440 --> 01:46:59,020 that process so we you know if we end up landing on option two which as Scott 1322 01:46:59,020 --> 01:47:02,760 pointed out and thank you for that is that you know at least we're being 1323 01:47:02,760 --> 01:47:09,600 transparent and acknowledging that they may or may not occur okay any other 1324 01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:18,580 comments on this Commissioner Cole thank you chair yeah I kind of I like option 1325 01:47:18,580 --> 01:47:26,040 twos well I think you're right that more information is best but Commissioner 1326 01:47:26,040 --> 01:47:30,840 Pruitt does have a point and that's gonna be in flux ever so often it could 1327 01:47:30,840 --> 01:47:38,200 change but also you know there's a legislative component in Austin on this 1328 01:47:38,200 --> 01:47:45,200 and I know there are some bills that have co-sponsors in the state house that 1329 01:47:45,200 --> 01:47:51,680 would affect some of this now whether they see the light of day I don't know 1330 01:47:51,680 --> 01:47:55,840 one of them's geared toward de annexation making it easy to the annex 1331 01:47:55,840 --> 01:48:00,840 if the city's not providing you adequate services whatever that you know that 1332 01:48:00,840 --> 01:48:07,560 definition is but I would you know I would if I was staff I would keep an eye 1333 01:48:07,560 --> 01:48:14,680 on Austin and these future bills that are going to come down the line that 1334 01:48:14,680 --> 01:48:21,480 could be very disruptive thanks Commissioner Cole Commissioner Villarreal 1335 01:48:21,480 --> 01:48:26,160 yes I just wanted to concur with Council and Commissioner Cole and supportive 1336 01:48:26,160 --> 01:48:31,840 option to I do agree we need more clarity we need more transparency in 1337 01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:37,400 these regards and I would like to see option to you thanks yeah to me we've 1338 01:48:37,400 --> 01:48:41,000 got the word potential in there which means I mean it's knowledge we have 1339 01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:46,240 right now that's that's that's the reason that I'm sure that Council was 1340 01:48:46,240 --> 01:48:50,320 focused there and why a good number of us are as well it's not really putting 1341 01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:53,640 anything in stone it's just saying hey we know about this right now of the 1342 01:48:53,640 --> 01:48:58,280 potential I think it's good information I do not see any other questions on this 1343 01:48:58,280 --> 01:49:08,360 so I think we can continue great thank you thank you all right so moving on to 1344 01:49:08,360 --> 01:49:13,120 the next section of discussion is the preferred land preservation plan and 1345 01:49:13,120 --> 01:49:20,800 this was introduced I think I believe it previously which is showing lakes 1346 01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:27,960 floodways ESAs environmentally sensitive areas habitats and to have something on 1347 01:49:27,960 --> 01:49:33,120 the screen because we do not have oh I apologize no worries thank you closed up 1348 01:49:33,120 --> 01:49:46,400 on me I was gonna have you guys use your imagination all right you're welcome 1349 01:49:46,400 --> 01:49:52,040 all right so so again not to restart now you can see on the screen the preferred 1350 01:49:52,040 --> 01:49:55,120 land preservation plan and this is a graph that without a map that was 1351 01:49:55,120 --> 01:50:00,360 developed by the Denton GIS team to illustrate those areas that are lakes 1352 01:50:00,360 --> 01:50:06,440 floodways ESAs you know those environmentally sensitive areas habitats 1353 01:50:06,440 --> 01:50:10,960 and parks and those those areas that had the potential to become preserved you 1354 01:50:10,960 --> 01:50:14,960 know whether it's a proof of an area of habitat that could be preserved riparian 1355 01:50:14,960 --> 01:50:21,880 area floodplain and this is to provide that overall vision for those general 1356 01:50:21,880 --> 01:50:28,880 areas which could be considered as part of an open space or public lands open 1357 01:50:28,880 --> 01:50:35,520 space preservation effort on an upcoming slide to see how the land use plan and 1358 01:50:35,520 --> 01:50:41,540 substantially many parts of the land use changes that are in the ETJ and just 1359 01:50:41,540 --> 01:50:47,600 outside of the boundaries of the city was changed to be in alignment with this 1360 01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:54,960 plan so as to those areas that are more impacted by say floodways or flood zones 1361 01:50:54,960 --> 01:51:00,240 are shown as open space and those that are you know those potential to be 1362 01:51:00,240 --> 01:51:05,600 preserved for riparian habitats or you know the cross timbers habitat those are 1363 01:51:05,600 --> 01:51:11,440 illustrated generally with appropriate land uses on them as well but this again 1364 01:51:11,440 --> 01:51:17,520 this is a high level approach there are regulations within the development code 1365 01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:22,020 and standards that are used through development that drill down and are much 1366 01:51:22,020 --> 01:51:25,400 more specific so at the time of implementation when a site plan comes 1367 01:51:25,400 --> 01:51:29,760 forward and the subdivision comes forward these generalized boundaries 1368 01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:34,200 become much more studied and much more refined so that those areas that are in 1369 01:51:34,200 --> 01:51:40,400 the need of preservation or have the potential to be preserved or can create 1370 01:51:40,400 --> 01:51:46,240 linkages and opportunities that fulfill not only the policies and vision of the 1371 01:51:46,240 --> 01:51:51,200 comprehensive plan but the parks and recreation trails master plan all that 1372 01:51:51,200 --> 01:51:55,280 can be handled at the time of implementation but what we're trying to 1373 01:51:55,280 --> 01:52:01,240 illustrate now is and this will be part of the comprehensive plan is that these 1374 01:52:01,240 --> 01:52:07,720 land preservation areas are aligned with the land use decisions that were made 1375 01:52:07,720 --> 01:52:15,800 for updating the future land use map so along with that there was a series of 1376 01:52:15,800 --> 01:52:19,080 questions that were provided to us from the both the planning and zoning 1377 01:52:19,080 --> 01:52:25,880 Commission and the City Council related to preservation and open space and on 1378 01:52:25,880 --> 01:52:29,920 the next couple slides you'll see those items that are marked with a 1379 01:52:29,920 --> 01:52:36,240 green arrow are those in which matrix and city staff are going to incorporate 1380 01:52:36,240 --> 01:52:41,520 or ensure incorporate maps or just ensure that the language in the 1381 01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:47,280 comprehensive plan supports those particular efforts and the other items 1382 01:52:47,280 --> 01:52:51,480 that are not identified with the green arrow are things that are already 1383 01:52:51,480 --> 01:52:55,120 addressed either through the comprehensive plan the policies the maps 1384 01:52:55,120 --> 01:52:59,800 and so on and then to some degree either implemented or not or handled by a 1385 01:52:59,800 --> 01:53:04,080 different plan so I'll just kind of walk through those at a high level to give 1386 01:53:04,080 --> 01:53:09,280 the Commission an update on that so so wildlife corridors came up and the staff 1387 01:53:09,280 --> 01:53:13,400 is going to and matrix will work together to make sure that there's 1388 01:53:13,400 --> 01:53:19,440 policies and actions in this comp plan that identify and or map those wildlife 1389 01:53:19,440 --> 01:53:22,720 quarters at least set some policy for how the wildlife corridors can be 1390 01:53:22,720 --> 01:53:28,640 handled in terms of preservation efforts or these open space efforts as for 1391 01:53:28,640 --> 01:53:33,520 protection of green spaces around watersheds as I noted there are city 1392 01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:38,320 regulations in place right now that do that there are FEMA related things 1393 01:53:38,320 --> 01:53:42,680 engineering design standards that are related to that as well and the 1394 01:53:42,680 --> 01:53:47,720 connected connectivity of green space you know they the parks and trails 1395 01:53:47,720 --> 01:53:50,800 recreation master plan as well as a comprehensive plan which are 1396 01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:55,760 coordinated both support those upper efforts and opportunities to locate 1397 01:53:55,760 --> 01:53:59,880 recreational facilities nearby or within those corridors as well where those 1398 01:53:59,880 --> 01:54:05,920 opportunities come in on this slide you can see a series of actions that are 1399 01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:10,480 existing in the comprehensive plan which address those comments about whether or 1400 01:54:10,480 --> 01:54:15,320 not natural spaces or these preserved areas are being used for linkages 1401 01:54:15,320 --> 01:54:22,760 regionally for mobility for open space for for flooding flood flood conveyance 1402 01:54:22,760 --> 01:54:30,040 as well as well potential for wildlife migration there's a need to make sure 1403 01:54:30,040 --> 01:54:33,440 there was enough land preserved for parks and there's actions related to 1404 01:54:33,440 --> 01:54:38,080 that as well as the 10-minute walk and making sure that that was a line between 1405 01:54:38,080 --> 01:54:44,640 the comp plan and the parks and recreation trails master plan the you 1406 01:54:44,640 --> 01:54:48,480 know the development of those greenways as I mentioned before linking those 1407 01:54:48,480 --> 01:54:52,560 areas together encouraging those pedestrian bicycle links all of those 1408 01:54:52,560 --> 01:54:57,760 comments that we received before are addressed and detailed out in the 1409 01:54:57,760 --> 01:55:01,520 comprehensive plan so that they've been accommodated as for things that can be 1410 01:55:01,520 --> 01:55:07,520 fixed or improved and clarified as there will be those existing trails that 1411 01:55:07,520 --> 01:55:11,880 exist and existing parks will be added to this preferred land preservation plan 1412 01:55:11,880 --> 01:55:15,120 to add to clarity in the relationship of those open spaces 1413 01:55:15,120 --> 01:55:21,240 ESA will likely have a different color to make it a little bit more clear about 1414 01:55:21,240 --> 01:55:27,320 what those areas are on the map the parcels they have a greater than 30% 1415 01:55:27,320 --> 01:55:32,560 canopy staff has added that is going to add a policy related to that to identify 1416 01:55:32,560 --> 01:55:38,920 those parcels which have a canopy of over greater than 30% the riparian areas 1417 01:55:38,920 --> 01:55:44,080 will be included on that preserved preferred land preservation map the 1418 01:55:44,080 --> 01:55:48,280 potential will be added as well as shown on that slide previously and as for the 1419 01:55:48,280 --> 01:55:52,120 other two about parcels which were zone public facilities there was a question 1420 01:55:52,120 --> 01:55:56,280 about illustrating what lands does it does the city of Denton currently 1421 01:55:56,280 --> 01:56:01,120 control right now what lands are available for potential open space or 1422 01:56:01,120 --> 01:56:05,880 for these types of functions and the existing the future land use map that's 1423 01:56:05,880 --> 01:56:08,760 provided in the comprehensive plan already identifies those government 1424 01:56:08,760 --> 01:56:13,600 institutional land use designations for those properties which is appropriate 1425 01:56:13,600 --> 01:56:17,840 at the high level of a comprehensive plan and then it becomes drilled down or 1426 01:56:17,840 --> 01:56:21,960 more detailed once you take an examination out of the be zoning map for 1427 01:56:21,960 --> 01:56:26,320 the city of Denton that tells you exactly the types of uses and that would 1428 01:56:26,320 --> 01:56:29,840 be appropriate on those city-owned properties but again comprehensive plan 1429 01:56:29,840 --> 01:56:34,040 stays at a high level it generalizes it what's important is that this is a 1430 01:56:34,040 --> 01:56:38,280 parcel that's designated for a variety of potential government and institutional 1431 01:56:38,280 --> 01:56:46,360 land uses through the future lastly with respect to denoting the historic parcels 1432 01:56:46,360 --> 01:56:52,560 there was a question that perhaps we should be illustrating some historic 1433 01:56:52,560 --> 01:56:58,920 preservation areas or for landmarks on the future land use map and and really 1434 01:56:58,920 --> 01:57:03,680 that is a refinement a drill down it's a it's a more detailed examination and 1435 01:57:03,680 --> 01:57:07,120 something that is addressed through the 2019 historic preservation plan and 1436 01:57:07,120 --> 01:57:13,480 really not a land use related function or something that should be illustrated 1437 01:57:13,480 --> 01:57:21,640 at the level of a future land use map there are policies as well in the in 1438 01:57:21,640 --> 01:57:25,920 goals within the comprehensive plan that do support those continued historic 1439 01:57:25,920 --> 01:57:30,000 preservation efforts so there is an alignment between those plans as well to 1440 01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:33,720 make sure that the comp plan supports those more detailed plans that move 1441 01:57:33,720 --> 01:57:41,840 along to come from it so with that I believe that covers the need for 1442 01:57:41,840 --> 01:57:46,680 discussion for the ESA's and if there's additional clarification that is 1443 01:57:46,680 --> 01:57:51,920 necessary or any further questions that may have been created from this 1444 01:57:51,920 --> 01:57:59,240 presentation of material we're open for that now so thank you any questions 1445 01:57:59,240 --> 01:58:05,760 Commissioner Cole thank you chair I think you know the wildlife corridor map is 1446 01:58:05,760 --> 01:58:12,800 very important what's the timeline on that and having that done so I'll take 1447 01:58:12,800 --> 01:58:17,880 that question the timeline has not been identified yet if anything it'll either 1448 01:58:17,880 --> 01:58:22,080 be for purposes of the comprehensive plan noted as a short-term midterm or 1449 01:58:22,080 --> 01:58:27,000 long-term item that will also be budget dependent for assistance on being able 1450 01:58:27,000 --> 01:58:32,520 to get that accomplished so it's really then comes down to it council being 1451 01:58:32,520 --> 01:58:38,800 willing to fund that particular action item one reason I'm interested in that 1452 01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:45,380 is because all those warehouses that are going up on Jim Crystal and Western 1453 01:58:45,380 --> 01:58:52,280 Boulevard you'll have a herd of 30 deer now trapped in a thick at the size of 1454 01:58:52,280 --> 01:58:57,500 City Hall and it's not uncommon to see a couple of dead deer a week on the side 1455 01:58:57,500 --> 01:59:02,800 of the road on Jim Crystal and when these warehouses go up these deer are 1456 01:59:02,800 --> 01:59:07,360 moving but they can't get across to an airport because they have two high 1457 01:59:07,360 --> 01:59:13,360 fences and they can't jump them so you I mean you have all these these deer just 1458 01:59:13,360 --> 01:59:20,200 trapped and it's going to be a problem because they're good a safety issue you 1459 01:59:20,200 --> 01:59:26,000 know because I mean they'll jack up your car if you get a big enough deer you 1460 01:59:26,000 --> 01:59:31,720 know but I was just you know we're already having that problem now it exists 1461 01:59:31,720 --> 01:59:36,460 now and there's a lot of wildlife trapped there on Jim Crystal in those 1462 01:59:36,460 --> 01:59:42,000 thickets and you know it'd be nice if we got on that so we didn't do that you 1463 01:59:42,000 --> 01:59:46,520 know further damage so you would be in favor of this being a short-term item 1464 01:59:46,520 --> 01:59:52,080 then from what I'm hearing from you so again I can hear you I said you would be 1465 01:59:52,080 --> 01:59:58,000 interested in us identifying this action item as a short-term item in terms of 1466 01:59:58,000 --> 02:00:02,440 I'm being done in it sooner than later yeah sooner and later because it's an 1467 02:00:02,440 --> 02:00:07,380 issue now thank you and you said Jim Crystal at what what was the other road 1468 02:00:07,380 --> 02:00:13,840 Western Western thank you but that also will go all the way down to Wolf Road to 1469 02:00:13,840 --> 02:00:19,200 you know it kind of goes it's it's set between Den energy Center kind of and 1470 02:00:19,200 --> 02:00:25,600 Western on Jim Crystal thank you okay thank you thanks Commissioner Cole any 1471 02:00:25,600 --> 02:00:29,920 other questions on this topic Commissioner Perot thank you chair just a 1472 02:00:29,920 --> 02:00:35,400 brief comment I think it looks great I think the there was some discussion I 1473 02:00:35,400 --> 02:00:42,040 think I heard yesterday at council that about how many permutations of of layers 1474 02:00:42,040 --> 02:00:45,540 that we wanted to include in the plan based on this map and I guess my 1475 02:00:45,540 --> 02:00:49,000 guidance would be you know when you have people and developers looking at 1476 02:00:49,000 --> 02:00:52,960 potential land they're gonna fire up that GIS map and turn on all the layers 1477 02:00:52,960 --> 02:00:59,360 and fix it that way so I you know in in you know in the same vein of the previous 1478 02:00:59,360 --> 02:01:03,720 item that I said you know I think having that type of information available on a 1479 02:01:03,720 --> 02:01:09,240 GIS map online is a great asset for transparency but I'm hesitant to sign us 1480 02:01:09,240 --> 02:01:14,300 up for you know constant updates of the PDF output of this plan that has to keep 1481 02:01:14,300 --> 02:01:19,360 getting posted to the to the website every two months well and along those 1482 02:01:19,360 --> 02:01:23,280 lines in in great observation with respect to the GIS tool and you're right 1483 02:01:23,280 --> 02:01:29,040 so the intention and I believe Ed spoke to this is this the land preservation 1484 02:01:29,040 --> 02:01:32,760 plan would be included within our comprehensive plan document right right 1485 02:01:32,760 --> 02:01:37,000 behind the future land use map where we have it just because you saw the 1486 02:01:37,000 --> 02:01:40,120 complexity of the graphic with all of the different colors and shadings and 1487 02:01:40,120 --> 02:01:42,720 what have you being applied it really makes it difficult to be able to use it 1488 02:01:42,720 --> 02:01:46,760 from that standpoint so from a printed standpoint in the document or a PDF 1489 02:01:46,760 --> 02:01:52,040 version if you will the maps will be right there next to each other but we do 1490 02:01:52,040 --> 02:01:54,760 take those maps and have the ability then to be able to put that information 1491 02:01:54,760 --> 02:02:00,440 on our GIS interactive map just like we have the 2030 plan out there we have our 1492 02:02:00,440 --> 02:02:04,000 mobility plan that's out there we have zoning information that's out there and 1493 02:02:04,000 --> 02:02:08,840 in utility information you know someone can layer on all as much information as 1494 02:02:08,840 --> 02:02:11,600 they want or the least amount of information that they're interested in 1495 02:02:11,600 --> 02:02:16,680 having but it's but but with these documents though being adopted as part 1496 02:02:16,680 --> 02:02:20,720 of the plan then you know they remain as is unless we do for example some 1497 02:02:20,720 --> 02:02:24,480 additional area planning then if we're doing it area plans then we'll add that 1498 02:02:24,480 --> 02:02:28,120 layer of information and presumably would amend the comprehensive plan so 1499 02:02:28,120 --> 02:02:31,520 it's not necessarily something that we're going to be amending every few 1500 02:02:31,520 --> 02:02:36,000 months or so but as we get certain action items accomplished that may warrant 1501 02:02:36,000 --> 02:02:40,760 an update of the map you know that's the time frame in which that would occur 1502 02:02:40,760 --> 02:02:50,360 thanks Tino anything else okay I think we can move along thanks 1503 02:02:55,600 --> 02:03:00,460 thank you chair so now we're going to move into that detailed discussion 1504 02:03:00,460 --> 02:03:05,280 about the future land use map and kind of walk through some of the more major 1505 02:03:05,280 --> 02:03:09,600 changes that have occurred or been proposed between the 2030 plan and the 1506 02:03:09,600 --> 02:03:13,480 2040 plan because there's been a couple different changes as we've talked about 1507 02:03:13,480 --> 02:03:18,880 at previous work sessions to this map notably we've there are new land use 1508 02:03:18,880 --> 02:03:22,520 designations which we'll talk a little bit about but then also some of the land 1509 02:03:22,520 --> 02:03:26,000 use designations in different areas of community have been changed in response 1510 02:03:26,000 --> 02:03:32,680 to emerging development trends a preferred pattern of growth and a number 1511 02:03:32,680 --> 02:03:36,360 of other issues so I'll just kind of walk through those one by one down first 1512 02:03:36,360 --> 02:03:41,840 these are these seven different areas that will kind of drill into and talk a 1513 02:03:41,840 --> 02:03:47,000 little bit more detailed about just for comparison sake and I'll flip between 1514 02:03:47,000 --> 02:03:53,920 these two slides a couple times this is the 2030 showing those same seven areas 1515 02:03:53,920 --> 02:03:59,720 and then here we go back to the 2040 and I'll like I said I'll go through this a 1516 02:03:59,720 --> 02:04:02,520 couple times just to show those different areas and then I have some 1517 02:04:02,520 --> 02:04:09,800 detailed slides that follow where we can talk about the those particular areas in 1518 02:04:09,800 --> 02:04:13,160 close-up fashion just so you can see a little bit more detail for the areas 1519 02:04:13,160 --> 02:04:21,360 that are being proposed to be changed okay so with the north detail this is 1520 02:04:21,360 --> 02:04:27,000 the north end of the community includes mostly areas with that are annexed into 1521 02:04:27,000 --> 02:04:33,080 the city of Denton but a little bit of the ETJ area as well for number one this 1522 02:04:33,080 --> 02:04:39,120 is an area that through discussions with the community examining development 1523 02:04:39,120 --> 02:04:44,760 trends as well as communicating with the economic development team this is an area 1524 02:04:44,760 --> 02:04:49,880 where the type of development that's moving forward seems to be more aligned 1525 02:04:49,880 --> 02:04:54,360 with a light industrial type land uses and the activities associated with 1526 02:04:54,360 --> 02:04:57,960 marketing for that area are moving in that direction as well that area was 1527 02:04:57,960 --> 02:05:03,080 previously illustrated on the 2030 plan as a big chunk of business innovation one 1528 02:05:03,080 --> 02:05:07,320 of the things that's changed with the land use designation name of business 1529 02:05:07,320 --> 02:05:10,480 innovation is that in light of the comments we've received we're going to 1530 02:05:10,480 --> 02:05:14,320 clarify that it's going to be identified as business center and I'll explain that 1531 02:05:14,320 --> 02:05:20,100 a little bit more later but for the purposes of examining that area number 1532 02:05:20,100 --> 02:05:24,840 one you can see that a larger area has been designated as light industrial than 1533 02:05:24,840 --> 02:05:29,680 was shown as business innovation on the 2030 plan and that on that and like I 1534 02:05:29,680 --> 02:05:35,520 said that light industrial designation is reflecting the future loop 288 1535 02:05:35,520 --> 02:05:39,960 extension the fact that there's a rail line running through that area some of 1536 02:05:39,960 --> 02:05:43,080 the existing development trends that are moving in that area and the economic 1537 02:05:43,080 --> 02:05:46,200 development efforts that are in that area as well and really this becomes 1538 02:05:46,200 --> 02:05:51,240 another employment focus area for the community moving forward that has land 1539 02:05:51,240 --> 02:05:55,560 uses that may not be quite as intense as you would find say in the industrial 1540 02:05:55,560 --> 02:05:58,920 commerce land use district around the airport so this would be stuff that's 1541 02:05:58,920 --> 02:06:05,720 more along the lines of warehousing business park assembly maybe some light 1542 02:06:05,720 --> 02:06:11,080 manufacturing and then those supportive uses for those areas such as business to 1543 02:06:11,080 --> 02:06:16,800 business type businesses you know for sales restaurants and things like that 1544 02:06:16,800 --> 02:06:20,720 that might support the workers that are in that area on a more limited fashion 1545 02:06:20,720 --> 02:06:25,800 so that's that's the intent with the changes on one I did mention that 1546 02:06:25,800 --> 02:06:32,160 business innovation had been renamed and the business innovation led to a lot of 1547 02:06:32,160 --> 02:06:35,680 interpretation about what that means if you just hear the name business 1548 02:06:35,680 --> 02:06:39,800 innovation it's difficult to know what kind of land uses are actually intended 1549 02:06:39,800 --> 02:06:43,960 there it's being the land use description was revised to be a little 1550 02:06:43,960 --> 02:06:49,360 bit more descriptive about how it would be developed into a modern employment 1551 02:06:49,360 --> 02:06:53,480 centers for the community largely composed of those office uses but it 1552 02:06:53,480 --> 02:06:57,440 could also be a mixed-use environment and in renaming it to business center 1553 02:06:57,440 --> 02:07:02,920 and helps to redefine that these are intended to be as well centers of 1554 02:07:02,920 --> 02:07:09,400 employment more office driven but employment in the community at large so 1555 02:07:09,400 --> 02:07:14,200 moving on to number two this is reflecting an ongoing development 1556 02:07:14,200 --> 02:07:17,760 pattern either through construction that's occurring now or projects that 1557 02:07:17,760 --> 02:07:22,420 are moving through the process or have been approved in the process or some 1558 02:07:22,420 --> 02:07:27,280 point of subdivision review so you'll see that there's been light or low 1559 02:07:27,280 --> 02:07:32,440 density residential added within the city of Denton's boundaries as well as 1560 02:07:32,440 --> 02:07:38,520 into the ETJ just on that I guess that bottom left corner of the box for number 1561 02:07:38,520 --> 02:07:43,960 two which is a change from the 2030 plan and like I said this was reflecting the 1562 02:07:43,960 --> 02:07:47,240 ongoing development pattern that's occurring there as well as the projects 1563 02:07:47,240 --> 02:07:51,160 that are coming forward in that area so this is one of the few spots in the ETJ 1564 02:07:51,160 --> 02:07:54,800 much like the MUDS where low density residential is being introduced because 1565 02:07:54,800 --> 02:07:59,160 of the certainty of development pattern and Denton's desire to just continue to 1566 02:07:59,160 --> 02:08:04,200 encourage that conformance with the comprehensive plan moving forward there 1567 02:08:04,200 --> 02:08:12,160 if I move on I'm gonna move on to the southwest portion of the community this 1568 02:08:12,160 --> 02:08:16,520 is really centered over hunter and coal ranch and there's a couple couple 1569 02:08:16,520 --> 02:08:23,000 changes illustrated number five loop 288 is intended to be routed through the 1570 02:08:23,000 --> 02:08:29,780 western side of our on the western side of the Denton Airport and there is an 1571 02:08:29,780 --> 02:08:34,240 opportunity there to capitalize on that transportation corridor as well as the 1572 02:08:34,240 --> 02:08:40,020 proximity to the airport for industrial or industrial commerce type uses so 1573 02:08:40,020 --> 02:08:46,960 that's been expanded into that western side area that loop 288 does go through 1574 02:08:46,960 --> 02:08:51,060 hunter coal ranch and one thing you'll notice with hunter and coal ranch is 1575 02:08:51,060 --> 02:08:54,640 that and we've talked about this at a previous work session is that the land 1576 02:08:54,640 --> 02:08:58,840 use designation has been changed from showing a multitude of different land 1577 02:08:58,840 --> 02:09:03,600 uses that are defined in those master plan documents to using a singular color 1578 02:09:03,600 --> 02:09:09,060 and the reason for that again was that by illustrating it with one color it's 1579 02:09:09,060 --> 02:09:14,680 making it very clear that there is a more refined and specific land use plan 1580 02:09:14,680 --> 02:09:19,320 that exists and has been reviewed through a separate process through the 1581 02:09:19,320 --> 02:09:23,120 City Council and Planning and Zoning Commission that describes those land 1582 02:09:23,120 --> 02:09:26,120 uses and the densities and characteristics of those land uses to a 1583 02:09:26,120 --> 02:09:31,000 much finer grain detail than what would normally be found and at a general or 1584 02:09:31,000 --> 02:09:35,440 comprehensive plan level so that's been a change that's moved forward this will 1585 02:09:35,440 --> 02:09:38,680 help simplify the process a little bit and ensure that there's no confusion 1586 02:09:38,680 --> 02:09:43,020 that you know multiple applications are needed to amend not only the master plan 1587 02:09:43,020 --> 02:09:47,960 but also the comp plan this is this is the comp plan deferring to those more 1588 02:09:47,960 --> 02:09:52,960 refined and detailed planning documents the other part that's been changed is 1589 02:09:52,960 --> 02:09:58,060 that there's been some adjustments to the land use mix on the east side of 35 1590 02:09:58,060 --> 02:10:02,880 West in response to providing a more complete community more diverse housing 1591 02:10:02,880 --> 02:10:08,520 options trying to establish a commercial or mixed use center to support this 1592 02:10:08,520 --> 02:10:14,160 area that's not within the master plan community as well along I along 35 West 1593 02:10:14,160 --> 02:10:18,560 and so those are the major changes that have been proposed between the 2030 plan 1594 02:10:18,560 --> 02:10:24,920 on the left and the 2040 plan on the right moving on to the southeast detail 1595 02:10:24,920 --> 02:10:28,840 which includes the downtown area I'll actually start with number seven the 1596 02:10:28,840 --> 02:10:34,960 downtown through the discussions with the community and others it was 1597 02:10:34,960 --> 02:10:40,800 recommended that the Denton downtown area be expanded to incorporate more of 1598 02:10:40,800 --> 02:10:45,160 the transitional areas meaning more of the areas surrounding the downtown which 1599 02:10:45,160 --> 02:10:52,000 could be more holistically to borrow a word for Becky planned so that the 1600 02:10:52,000 --> 02:10:56,500 neighborhoods and the downtown area the transit areas and gateways and the 1601 02:10:56,500 --> 02:11:00,760 interfaces between downtown and the universities can be planned under the 1602 02:11:00,760 --> 02:11:08,240 the context of a singular area plan document as those area plans are 1603 02:11:08,240 --> 02:11:14,160 developed and refined for these special places in Denton so that's why you see 1604 02:11:14,160 --> 02:11:18,680 those changes proposed around the downtown area for number three that was 1605 02:11:18,680 --> 02:11:24,480 a change which is a reflective of the ongoing development pattern in that area 1606 02:11:24,480 --> 02:11:28,920 which is more of an elite industrial approach rather than a business 1607 02:11:28,920 --> 02:11:34,120 innovation approach or mixed-use approach so those land uses have been 1608 02:11:34,120 --> 02:11:38,800 adjusted accordingly for number four the same thing applies the development 1609 02:11:38,800 --> 02:11:44,040 pattern in that area has moved within the city's annexed areas to be more 1610 02:11:44,040 --> 02:11:48,560 aligned with low density residential development and not the lower density 1611 02:11:48,560 --> 02:11:53,920 rural style development that was illustrated in the 2030 plan and so that 1612 02:11:53,920 --> 02:11:58,200 was a change that was made to match that ongoing development pattern that will 1613 02:11:58,200 --> 02:12:06,500 persist through the horizon of this plan so that summarizes many of the changes to 1614 02:12:06,500 --> 02:12:10,880 the future land use map and we wanted to include this map as well which is the 1615 02:12:10,880 --> 02:12:15,000 preferred growth scenario map and previous work sessions we indicated that 1616 02:12:15,000 --> 02:12:18,200 there was no proposed changes to this because it was still a valid document 1617 02:12:18,200 --> 02:12:25,000 and that still remains true today this is largely the same as what was preferred 1618 02:12:25,000 --> 02:12:31,520 by the community through those extensive outreach efforts in 2030 so in the 1619 02:12:31,520 --> 02:12:39,080 2040 map the change that has taken place is around that northern the north west 1620 02:12:39,080 --> 02:12:47,120 little bit northeast corner of the 288 and I 35 down to University Drive that's 1621 02:12:47,120 --> 02:12:51,400 been shaded purple and the reason for that is to be consistent with the future 1622 02:12:51,400 --> 02:12:56,200 land-use map which illustrates the light industrial and business innovation in 1623 02:12:56,200 --> 02:13:00,960 that area so that is one of the areas that's been changed as an expansion of 1624 02:13:00,960 --> 02:13:07,040 an employment focus area for the community moving through the year 2040 so 1625 02:13:07,040 --> 02:13:12,160 in the effort of full transparency this was this map is going to be modified to 1626 02:13:12,160 --> 02:13:16,640 show that we are in process of cleaning that up and making a little bit more 1627 02:13:16,640 --> 02:13:21,160 clear but otherwise the integrity of the rest of this preferred growth scenario 1628 02:13:21,160 --> 02:13:25,200 map which was reviewed by the community remains identical to what was 1629 02:13:25,200 --> 02:13:30,480 illustrated through the 2030 plan and provided to the community for a review 1630 02:13:30,480 --> 02:13:36,560 through the community engagement for this plan and so with that I'll open this 1631 02:13:36,560 --> 02:13:40,440 up for any discussion direction that you might have 1632 02:13:43,600 --> 02:13:51,040 thanks and we do have a few questions I'll just say thank you for renaming 1633 02:13:51,040 --> 02:13:55,360 business innovation years ago on my first year on this Commission I asked 1634 02:13:55,360 --> 02:13:59,040 for definition of that and I'm still waiting because no one ever had one so 1635 02:13:59,040 --> 02:14:05,800 we have needed that to be something else and I welcome Business Center anyway 1636 02:14:05,800 --> 02:14:11,560 Commissioner McDade thank you madam chair if you could go back to the 1637 02:14:11,560 --> 02:14:20,120 preferred scenario growth map I'm looking at something that really disturbs me I'm 1638 02:14:20,120 --> 02:14:28,160 looking at the the downtown Denton and I'm looking at I'm looking at the circle 1639 02:14:28,160 --> 02:14:33,040 as if it's a square but I see on the eastern side it goes all the way out to 1640 02:14:33,040 --> 02:14:43,400 Woodrow and what disturbs me is that entire circle encases all of southeast 1641 02:14:43,400 --> 02:14:51,320 Denton and my concern is I know we're talking about 2040 but is there any way 1642 02:14:51,320 --> 02:14:55,240 you could tell me I mean it may be the next 18 years what the plan is for 1643 02:14:55,240 --> 02:15:00,120 downtown Denton because I've been to quite a few downtowns in bigger cities 1644 02:15:00,120 --> 02:15:06,360 where low residential is not there and if that's a low residential neighborhood 1645 02:15:06,360 --> 02:15:12,640 I'm concerned that in the next 18 years it's not gonna be low residential anymore 1646 02:15:12,640 --> 02:15:18,680 it's gonna be pretty much what most downtown areas are in other cities so 1647 02:15:18,680 --> 02:15:23,560 I'm happy to take that question great observation council or excuse me 1648 02:15:23,560 --> 02:15:29,760 Commissioner McDade so the the circle if you will is just to denote that this is 1649 02:15:29,760 --> 02:15:34,760 an area of town that would be anticipated to have higher density 1650 02:15:34,760 --> 02:15:39,520 development that happens I would not equate that to what you see down in 1651 02:15:39,520 --> 02:15:45,080 Dallas I think if anything some better comparable examples might be you know 1652 02:15:45,080 --> 02:15:49,200 what you may found find in downtown Plano for example with some of the infill 1653 02:15:49,200 --> 02:15:52,560 development that they've had there you know as it relates specifically to 1654 02:15:52,560 --> 02:15:58,200 southeast Denton again this is just to illustrate that this is an area of town 1655 02:15:58,200 --> 02:16:01,600 in our downtown where we would anticipate seeing additional growth and 1656 02:16:01,600 --> 02:16:04,680 development and the reason for that predominantly would be the fact that 1657 02:16:04,680 --> 02:16:10,840 we have the DCTA station there also with the the businesses that we have in the 1658 02:16:10,840 --> 02:16:14,720 downtown area providing additional population to be able to support those 1659 02:16:14,720 --> 02:16:18,880 but let's take this the next step further again so this is high-level map 1660 02:16:18,880 --> 02:16:24,960 illustrating areas in the community just like you can see some other areas where 1661 02:16:24,960 --> 02:16:30,000 there's the darker darker circles shown to illustrate some greater density of 1662 02:16:30,000 --> 02:16:34,440 development we really see that the future for southeast Denton is to do 1663 02:16:34,440 --> 02:16:38,640 that area plan and I know if we're successful getting the comprehensive 1664 02:16:38,640 --> 02:16:44,520 plan adopted on on March 1st then we're immediately going to shift into 1665 02:16:44,520 --> 02:16:48,840 prioritizing which areas of the community where we believe we need to do 1666 02:16:48,840 --> 02:16:54,640 the area plans that allows for us to be able to take a deeper dive finer grain 1667 02:16:54,640 --> 02:17:00,440 analysis into southeast Denton and engage the community and hear from the 1668 02:17:00,440 --> 02:17:06,400 community as to what type of development they would like to see if any if they 1669 02:17:06,400 --> 02:17:10,640 would rather maintain status quo with more low density residential being the 1670 02:17:10,640 --> 02:17:13,280 predominant land use if they're interested in having additional 1671 02:17:13,280 --> 02:17:17,880 commercial uses that are brought into the area but doing that finer level 1672 02:17:17,880 --> 02:17:22,680 analysis at that point but again this map is just to illustrate areas within 1673 02:17:22,680 --> 02:17:28,440 the community where when when the 2030 plan was created there was an extensive 1674 02:17:28,440 --> 02:17:33,680 amount of public engagement and these areas in general not specific but in in 1675 02:17:33,680 --> 02:17:39,360 general were identified that we would have more intense development within 1676 02:17:39,360 --> 02:17:44,360 that area or higher densities of development but I would say do not equate 1677 02:17:44,360 --> 02:17:49,360 downtown Denton to becoming like a downtown Dallas thanks Dean I think Scott 1678 02:17:49,360 --> 02:17:54,600 has something to add he just arrived at the podium as you thank you mr. 1679 02:17:54,600 --> 02:18:01,840 Commissioner McDade the this is the same map that was in the 2030 plan and then 1680 02:18:01,840 --> 02:18:06,280 that circle isn't necessarily a borderline it's a dashed circle and 1681 02:18:06,280 --> 02:18:10,720 really indicating numerous centers across and around the city that we have 1682 02:18:10,720 --> 02:18:17,240 focal points I would say that that circle is probably grander in nature than what 1683 02:18:17,240 --> 02:18:22,320 it would take in if you look at it even to the north to the west it's taking in 1684 02:18:22,320 --> 02:18:26,720 residential areas that really will not change it's just that general when we 1685 02:18:26,720 --> 02:18:31,200 talk about the core the center of the city is illustrating that and then just 1686 02:18:31,200 --> 02:18:36,280 different sized circles throughout the map so I wouldn't say that it encompasses 1687 02:18:36,280 --> 02:18:41,840 particular areas in particular okay because I guess my way I guess my biggest 1688 02:18:41,840 --> 02:18:48,580 concern was when I'll use 2030 as an example you know maybe 75% of all the 1689 02:18:48,580 --> 02:18:56,240 homeowners in southeast inner 65 plus so in 2030 pretty much most of them are 1690 02:18:56,240 --> 02:19:03,880 still going to be around my concern was 2040 I mean I'll be 75 and I know a lot 1691 02:19:03,880 --> 02:19:08,160 of the homeowners God will they won't be with us off I was only impression that 1692 02:19:08,160 --> 02:19:13,480 it would be easier for the city to come in and just I'm not gonna say what I'm 1693 02:19:13,480 --> 02:19:17,860 saying is I don't want to see a Quaker town revisited I mean that's the 1694 02:19:17,860 --> 02:19:22,040 concern we have over there right now this is really this this has really 1695 02:19:22,040 --> 02:19:26,760 nothing more to do than to say where it is that these development centers are 1696 02:19:26,760 --> 02:19:32,420 and a lot of its current so when I reference the 2030 plan that means this 1697 02:19:32,420 --> 02:19:37,320 map is the same as the map that was five years ago from all the public input and 1698 02:19:37,320 --> 02:19:42,520 all the citizen input that we had we've made some changes to the map but that's 1699 02:19:42,520 --> 02:19:48,440 not one of the changes that we made to the map so it isn't it isn't changing 1700 02:19:48,440 --> 02:19:52,320 anything that we've been doing or that we plan to do and it certainly isn't 1701 02:19:52,320 --> 02:20:01,320 targeting neighborhoods in any way shape or form all right thank you thank you 1702 02:20:01,320 --> 02:20:06,200 any other questions Commissioner Prud thank you chair I'll just share real 1703 02:20:06,200 --> 02:20:11,280 briefly I'm in favor of the sort of brown NPC designation but my reasoning 1704 02:20:11,280 --> 02:20:14,400 is a little bit different than what I've heard before and that's because when we 1705 02:20:14,400 --> 02:20:19,640 look at the the broad future land use map it makes sense that the core that's 1706 02:20:19,640 --> 02:20:23,880 already developed has more granular uses and more granular future uses because 1707 02:20:23,880 --> 02:20:28,200 it's already developed and then as you look toward the outside the older map 1708 02:20:28,200 --> 02:20:33,880 that had the specific land uses agreed to in those NPCs kind of made it appear 1709 02:20:33,880 --> 02:20:39,160 to me that those areas we wanted lots of mixes of uses whereas these other areas 1710 02:20:39,160 --> 02:20:43,640 that were designated medium residential or low residential we wanted only that 1711 02:20:43,640 --> 02:20:47,880 for a very large area of land and I think some of the changes that we see in 1712 02:20:47,880 --> 02:20:55,000 the comp plan suggest that that thought has has shifted and so by by showing the 1713 02:20:55,000 --> 02:20:58,880 large brown areas were more clearly showing that hey these outlying areas 1714 02:20:58,880 --> 02:21:03,800 are general guidance and we'll we'll get to some of the more specific goals as we 1715 02:21:03,800 --> 02:21:11,120 get to the smaller area plans and that sort of thing thanks mr. Perot any other 1716 02:21:11,120 --> 02:21:19,560 discussion questions comments on this section okay I do not see any we can 1717 02:21:19,560 --> 02:21:23,680 mr. commission or excuse me I'm chairwoman Ellis if I could for just a 1718 02:21:23,680 --> 02:21:27,520 moment because I want to make sure that we address the question that was raised 1719 02:21:27,520 --> 02:21:31,120 from the Commission back on the January 26th and I believe may have been 1720 02:21:31,120 --> 02:21:36,160 Commissioner Cole who asked this question and if not Commissioner Cole the 1721 02:21:36,160 --> 02:21:41,000 Commissioner Anderson and that was with respect to the northwest part of town I 1722 02:21:41,000 --> 02:21:47,000 know it was asked of staff why the light industrial designation extending into 1723 02:21:47,000 --> 02:21:52,840 the ETJ boundaries adjacent to the city of Crom and so we floated that with 1724 02:21:52,840 --> 02:21:58,360 council yesterday and pointed that out there was no effort there was no appetite 1725 02:21:58,360 --> 02:22:02,040 to be able to change that you know other than to say that we need to look out at 1726 02:22:02,040 --> 02:22:06,120 what's in the best interest of Denton and what our needs are so hence why we 1727 02:22:06,120 --> 02:22:10,280 have not made that land use map change I did not want you to think that we think 1728 02:22:10,280 --> 02:22:13,640 that we're being non-responsive to the planning and zoning Commission but just 1729 02:22:13,640 --> 02:22:19,320 to provide that additional information thanks Tina appreciate that once again 1730 02:22:19,320 --> 02:22:25,680 another reason why small airplanes are such a good idea okay let's go ahead and 1731 02:22:25,680 --> 02:22:34,760 continue thank you chair all right and as Tina had noted earlier when we began 1732 02:22:34,760 --> 02:22:38,280 this presentation this is the fun stuff this is the rubber meets the road stuff 1733 02:22:38,280 --> 02:22:42,960 this is where the culmination of all this review of information and planning 1734 02:22:42,960 --> 02:22:47,520 and policy comes together and we're gonna need this we're gonna need the 1735 02:22:47,520 --> 02:23:00,480 graphic again the slides are much more interesting all right well this is the 1736 02:23:00,480 --> 02:23:04,480 implementation piece this is that really the the exciting part of the plan that 1737 02:23:04,480 --> 02:23:11,000 changes the plan from being one where it's just a coffee table book it just 1738 02:23:11,000 --> 02:23:15,040 talks you know of all these great things that the city's got vision for and it 1739 02:23:15,040 --> 02:23:19,360 takes that vision and it implements it it makes it a useful document that can 1740 02:23:19,360 --> 02:23:26,600 be implemented over time and give some direction for how to broadly approach 1741 02:23:26,600 --> 02:23:31,320 implementation or actions and implement those actions for this plan to make that 1742 02:23:31,320 --> 02:23:38,720 vision a reality and as Tina noted there's 270 separate actions in this 1743 02:23:38,720 --> 02:23:43,600 comprehensive plan update and many of them can be categorized as ongoing stuff 1744 02:23:43,600 --> 02:23:48,240 that Denton does today my interagency coordination you know regular review of 1745 02:23:48,240 --> 02:23:52,720 policies or whatever else it might be and then there's the short-term stuff and 1746 02:23:52,720 --> 02:23:57,800 this is the the the items that should be acted upon and within the next several 1747 02:23:57,800 --> 02:24:02,960 years midterm midterm five to ten years and long term stuff that might not 1748 02:24:02,960 --> 02:24:09,520 initiate until ten years or more out the specificity of each of these actions 1749 02:24:09,520 --> 02:24:16,900 although generally broad gets a little bit more less detailed the longer the 1750 02:24:16,900 --> 02:24:21,200 horizon out because there's less certainty about how those should be 1751 02:24:21,200 --> 02:24:24,960 approached but the general concepts of how these actions should be implemented 1752 02:24:24,960 --> 02:24:31,480 still remain each of these actions are identified in the implementation action 1753 02:24:31,480 --> 02:24:35,360 table and they have several different elements that inform them and then and 1754 02:24:35,360 --> 02:24:41,440 these are I guess broader descriptions of what those actions could be in terms 1755 02:24:41,440 --> 02:24:45,520 of you know one it's gonna identify the key action so if the key action is you 1756 02:24:45,520 --> 02:24:54,000 know develop a new urban design code then that will be the action that will 1757 02:24:54,000 --> 02:24:59,120 be in there now that action would be supported by certain policies so the 1758 02:24:59,120 --> 02:25:04,840 action table also shows you which policies support that action the action 1759 02:25:04,840 --> 02:25:09,360 type in the table says okay what are those what kind of read what kind of 1760 02:25:09,360 --> 02:25:12,880 action is this is this a regulatory action is this a partnership is this a 1761 02:25:12,880 --> 02:25:18,280 program is this a policy just to give a little bit more frame of reference for 1762 02:25:18,280 --> 02:25:21,880 what that action might be time frame as we described before that's established 1763 02:25:21,880 --> 02:25:27,960 based upon the urgency to act upon those or if an action that's accomplished 1764 02:25:27,960 --> 02:25:34,560 early supports an action that would be taken later within the 24 horizon 1765 02:25:34,560 --> 02:25:39,960 responsible part department and agency this makes sure that the different 1766 02:25:39,960 --> 02:25:43,800 departments within the city of Denton for different agencies that work with 1767 02:25:43,800 --> 02:25:50,440 the city of Denton are aware of their role in helping to lead and spearhead 1768 02:25:50,440 --> 02:25:55,800 these actions to move them forward and in almost every case you can't 1769 02:25:55,800 --> 02:25:59,680 accomplish things by yourself and in a bubble either through an agency or 1770 02:25:59,680 --> 02:26:03,560 department you need partners to support that so many of these actions also 1771 02:26:03,560 --> 02:26:09,400 identify those partners that would be co-leading or supporting these actions 1772 02:26:09,400 --> 02:26:16,280 to see them through and being achieved by the community so one of the ways I 1773 02:26:16,280 --> 02:26:24,360 just was this was described to City Council was that these actions really 1774 02:26:24,360 --> 02:26:31,400 constitute something like a recipe I mean it tells you that you need eggs it 1775 02:26:31,400 --> 02:26:34,240 tells you you need you need to have potatoes it tells you I need to have 1776 02:26:34,240 --> 02:26:38,400 some sausage in order to make breakfast I'm hoping not making it very hungry but 1777 02:26:38,400 --> 02:26:42,800 you guys did just eat so you should be okay but uh it tells you you need these 1778 02:26:42,800 --> 02:26:46,000 ingredients and tells you you need a frying pan and it tells you you need an 1779 02:26:46,000 --> 02:26:50,360 oven but it doesn't say how do you cook the eggs I mean are you gonna use a 1780 02:26:50,360 --> 02:26:53,560 certain temperature are you gonna whisk the eggs are you gonna dice the onions 1781 02:26:53,560 --> 02:26:58,220 are you going to bake the potatoes are you gonna fry them that those details 1782 02:26:58,220 --> 02:27:04,600 that level of detail is not appropriate for the implementation table because that 1783 02:27:04,600 --> 02:27:09,200 is stuff that gets determined after this comprehensive plans established the 1784 02:27:09,200 --> 02:27:12,680 comprehensive plan is providing that broader scope saying these are the 1785 02:27:12,680 --> 02:27:16,040 general actions that need to be accomplished but we don't need to know at 1786 02:27:16,040 --> 02:27:22,920 this point nor is it appropriate at this point for the the fine detail of how to 1787 02:27:22,920 --> 02:27:26,960 get it done to be identified what's important is that there's actions that 1788 02:27:26,960 --> 02:27:31,380 may be done and there's certain elements that need to be addressed so we're 1789 02:27:31,380 --> 02:27:35,600 putting it together here's your recipe later go figure out how you're going to 1790 02:27:35,600 --> 02:27:41,560 cook it so the city staff and working in conjunction with yourselves a city 1791 02:27:41,560 --> 02:27:47,600 council and other entities will figure out the exact way to approach these 1792 02:27:47,600 --> 02:27:52,520 actions for the benefit of debt in the most effective way so what I wanted to 1793 02:27:52,520 --> 02:27:58,240 show next was a couple slides that show some of the actions that are in the 1794 02:27:58,240 --> 02:28:03,240 implementation table that's in the comprehensive plan update right now and 1795 02:28:03,240 --> 02:28:07,920 some of these include you know on the left-hand side you'll see some general 1796 02:28:07,920 --> 02:28:13,720 categories of actions that are important to the community that will probably be 1797 02:28:13,720 --> 02:28:18,680 pursued in the short term or ongoing horizon so these are just provided for 1798 02:28:18,680 --> 02:28:23,840 examples they're not categorized this way in the plan all the actions are 1799 02:28:23,840 --> 02:28:29,480 listed in the implementation table by the element of which they are found in 1800 02:28:29,480 --> 02:28:35,280 the plan but the policies that support those actions tend to be found 1801 02:28:35,280 --> 02:28:38,600 throughout the document further illustrating those that relationship 1802 02:28:38,600 --> 02:28:42,000 between the different elements of the document to support an action but in 1803 02:28:42,000 --> 02:28:45,120 general I just wanted to kind of go through at a high level really quick 1804 02:28:45,120 --> 02:28:49,880 some of these implementation actions such as to describe how that relates to 1805 02:28:49,880 --> 02:28:54,600 what I just described before the action that has a key action but the one in the 1806 02:28:54,600 --> 02:28:59,280 lighter shading purple you know this is an action that we want to revise those 1807 02:28:59,280 --> 02:29:02,800 that those zoning districts to be consistent with the future land uses and 1808 02:29:02,800 --> 02:29:07,480 so this is really something that the city would be examining on an ongoing 1809 02:29:07,480 --> 02:29:11,000 basis to make sure that there's an alignment between the comp plan and the 1810 02:29:11,000 --> 02:29:14,480 zoning code our zoning the zoning districts making sure there's an 1811 02:29:14,480 --> 02:29:18,580 alignment split the preferred growth concept looking for ways to improve and 1812 02:29:18,580 --> 02:29:22,680 streamline the development process and so on so there's a lot of different 1813 02:29:22,680 --> 02:29:28,500 components to this action they're all supported by those policies or related 1814 02:29:28,500 --> 02:29:32,800 actions they're all identified in the second column and you can see that 1815 02:29:32,800 --> 02:29:37,000 they're in a couple different sec elements of this comprehensive plan what 1816 02:29:37,000 --> 02:29:39,800 kind of activities as well as the regulatory actions because it's going to 1817 02:29:39,800 --> 02:29:44,040 improve the review process or it's going to improve the use of the code or find 1818 02:29:44,040 --> 02:29:47,520 alignment between plans it's something that should be occurring in the short 1819 02:29:47,520 --> 02:29:51,840 term in a zero to three-year range who's going to be managing it on this case 1820 02:29:51,840 --> 02:29:55,640 particular case planning and development be managing it it will be their 1821 02:29:55,640 --> 02:29:58,920 partners or yourselves the planning and zoning Commission be part of that 1822 02:29:58,920 --> 02:30:03,040 partnership to make sure that this actions implemented in the right way now 1823 02:30:03,040 --> 02:30:06,240 what if this doesn't show like I said before is it doesn't tell you how to do 1824 02:30:06,240 --> 02:30:09,480 it exactly it just says these are the things that need to be accomplished this 1825 02:30:09,480 --> 02:30:13,000 is who needs to do it this is the time frame this is why you do it this is 1826 02:30:13,000 --> 02:30:17,880 supported by these policies and here's who can help you get it done moving on 1827 02:30:17,880 --> 02:30:21,840 infill the same thing you know there's an action that's on the short term you 1828 02:30:21,840 --> 02:30:25,400 know doing an infill inventory and we've actually got a little discussion about 1829 02:30:25,400 --> 02:30:32,360 something similar to this on a future slide related to infill and you can see 1830 02:30:32,360 --> 02:30:36,280 the same element supply you know who's your responsible agencies the time frame 1831 02:30:36,280 --> 02:30:40,640 and so on the next slide shows this is open space and preservation this is 1832 02:30:40,640 --> 02:30:47,160 really related to how in these particular examples how regulation can 1833 02:30:47,160 --> 02:30:50,320 help promote that conservation or preservation so this would be applicable 1834 02:30:50,320 --> 02:30:55,360 mostly to development on subdivisions things like that for both of these items 1835 02:30:55,360 --> 02:31:00,400 but there's also a component for implementation for open space and parks 1836 02:31:00,400 --> 02:31:04,560 that the public actions it's related to the planning and partnerships and in 1837 02:31:04,560 --> 02:31:12,040 ways to strategize to acquire land for that public benefit of preservation 1838 02:31:12,040 --> 02:31:16,040 creating those trail corridors preserving floodways and floodplains 1839 02:31:16,040 --> 02:31:19,800 identifying those historical or sensitive lands that are important to 1840 02:31:19,800 --> 02:31:24,280 the community and so that would be a responsibility not enough planning and 1841 02:31:24,280 --> 02:31:27,360 zoning but it's really driven by the Parks and Recreation Trails Master Plan 1842 02:31:27,360 --> 02:31:31,560 and Parks and Recreation they would be the primary lead for this and their 1843 02:31:31,560 --> 02:31:33,880 policies that support it and it's something that should be done on an 1844 02:31:33,880 --> 02:31:38,600 ongoing basis especially since that plan is just moving through the process and 1845 02:31:38,600 --> 02:31:43,960 tracking along with this comp plan and the mobility plan and then finally 1846 02:31:43,960 --> 02:31:49,160 multimodal mobility the mobility plan which is ongoing currently so it's 1847 02:31:49,160 --> 02:31:54,760 identified as a short-term and ongoing process because there's a direction 1848 02:31:54,760 --> 02:31:59,680 that'll be that's more refined in that mobility plan that's not detailed to the 1849 02:31:59,680 --> 02:32:05,160 same degree in this comp plan but the policies and actions and goals of this 1850 02:32:05,160 --> 02:32:14,680 comprehensive plan support that mobility plan and its details of analysis and 1851 02:32:14,680 --> 02:32:20,360 direction for implementation so this is one of those actions that shows that 1852 02:32:20,360 --> 02:32:24,760 relationship it's shows that support between this comp plan and the plans 1853 02:32:24,760 --> 02:32:31,360 that follow and there are like as I said before over 200 270 of these within the 1854 02:32:31,360 --> 02:32:34,760 document they have the same relationships in the way that they're 1855 02:32:34,760 --> 02:32:39,200 set up it's actions that are to be implemented over a certain time frame 1856 02:32:39,200 --> 02:32:45,600 and many of these actions are designed to support or encourage additional 1857 02:32:45,600 --> 02:32:49,920 planning effort or additional regulatory effort or whatever it might be to achieve 1858 02:32:49,920 --> 02:32:54,280 the vision of the community and so why we took a little time to walk through 1859 02:32:54,280 --> 02:32:58,840 this was because there was a little we want to make sure it was very clear to 1860 02:32:58,840 --> 02:33:02,800 the planning and zoning Commission into City Council and to others about what 1861 02:33:02,800 --> 02:33:07,640 the purposes of the comp plan is and how that those purposes relate to the 1862 02:33:07,640 --> 02:33:13,000 actions in the implementation of the plan any questions you might have happy 1863 02:33:13,000 --> 02:33:23,440 to receive them thank you thank you again I have to say I love the the action 1864 02:33:23,440 --> 02:33:27,600 table I think that's just a great addition to this I believe Commissioner 1865 02:33:27,600 --> 02:33:34,360 Pruitt has a question thank you just wanted to thank staff a lot for the 1866 02:33:34,360 --> 02:33:40,880 focus on this implementation section I know it's a large table and and updating 1867 02:33:40,880 --> 02:33:44,320 these things and really thinking through carefully what still applies and what 1868 02:33:44,320 --> 02:33:50,240 needs to change is a big task I look forward to you know seeing some some 1869 02:33:50,240 --> 02:33:54,760 reports and metrics as we go forward but I expect that to to take some time 1870 02:33:54,760 --> 02:33:58,120 right I mean some of these things we're not going to know what metrics we need 1871 02:33:58,120 --> 02:34:01,560 to start looking at until we complete some of those short-term actions and 1872 02:34:01,560 --> 02:34:05,240 then once we get those things under our belt we can have a pretty pretty good 1873 02:34:05,240 --> 02:34:09,880 idea of what we should track to to make sure that those actions are are having 1874 02:34:09,880 --> 02:34:15,800 their desired effect so I really look forward to to seeing some some good 1875 02:34:15,800 --> 02:34:21,740 motion toward these goals thank you yeah thank you I agree any other Commissioner 1876 02:34:21,740 --> 02:34:28,280 Cole thank you chair thanks you all for the hard work and both presentations 1877 02:34:28,280 --> 02:34:33,400 it's just a massive amount of information and you guys are just we're 1878 02:34:33,400 --> 02:34:42,120 lucky to have y'all and thank you for all you do thank you with regard to this 1879 02:34:42,120 --> 02:34:49,040 action table just to Commissioner Cole's earlier point with the wildlife study I 1880 02:34:49,040 --> 02:34:52,800 don't know if that is point 122 in the action plan if that's where that would 1881 02:34:52,800 --> 02:34:59,040 fall in but we do have that as mid you know I'd be in favor of moving that to 1882 02:34:59,040 --> 02:35:04,720 short especially if we're talking about saving the lives of animals and whatnot 1883 02:35:04,720 --> 02:35:11,480 so if that's where that does fall in I'd like to maybe have that discussion on 1884 02:35:11,480 --> 02:35:21,040 making that a shorter term goal any other discussion on this okay I do not 1885 02:35:21,040 --> 02:35:26,480 see any other questions and in Commissioner Ellis we definitely can look 1886 02:35:26,480 --> 02:35:30,200 into that and see if that's the appropriate location or if it needs to 1887 02:35:30,200 --> 02:35:47,160 be moved elsewhere refined but let us look into that okay appreciate that 1888 02:35:47,160 --> 02:35:57,920 you sure you ready for me to continue that I'm sorry did you ask a question I 1889 02:35:57,920 --> 02:36:04,200 did yes sure I was just asking if you're ready for me to continue then yes okay 1890 02:36:04,200 --> 02:36:10,200 thank you so I'm building on the implementation discussion and this is 1891 02:36:10,200 --> 02:36:14,680 the drill down that about what are those most important items that can be the 1892 02:36:14,680 --> 02:36:19,720 next steps for the city to move forward into and through again a much of the 1893 02:36:19,720 --> 02:36:25,120 discussion between City Council and yourselves over the work sessions that 1894 02:36:25,120 --> 02:36:30,760 we've had it's it's it's it seems that some of the priorities that are really 1895 02:36:30,760 --> 02:36:35,440 important to the community would be moving on to those the discussion about 1896 02:36:35,440 --> 02:36:40,360 area plans so throughout the implementation table there is there are 1897 02:36:40,360 --> 02:36:45,480 actions related to establishing area plans or examining those neighborhoods 1898 02:36:45,480 --> 02:36:51,820 and character areas that are important to Denton and looking to create more 1899 02:36:51,820 --> 02:36:59,200 refined planning approaches to those areas and what that means is that these 1900 02:36:59,200 --> 02:37:07,120 area plans are really that refinement that that find tooth examination of not 1901 02:37:07,120 --> 02:37:14,380 only the land uses but the design the streets the trails the transportation 1902 02:37:14,380 --> 02:37:19,120 the parts the transit all those different aspects that make it that make 1903 02:37:19,120 --> 02:37:24,240 those areas unique or special to the community these area plans could also 1904 02:37:24,240 --> 02:37:29,360 extend over areas that are focal areas for the community such as you know as 1905 02:37:29,360 --> 02:37:32,560 they illustrate on that focus concept area method you see on the right which 1906 02:37:32,560 --> 02:37:38,920 I'll show is a slightly larger diagram on the next slide those are areas where 1907 02:37:38,920 --> 02:37:45,880 you know there could be plans for corridors that establish character over 1908 02:37:45,880 --> 02:37:50,720 those corridors or special you know treatment to the roadways or whatever it 1909 02:37:50,720 --> 02:37:56,000 might be there's also those you know mixed-use centers that were identified 1910 02:37:56,000 --> 02:38:02,360 in the in the preferred growth concept map those are potential areas for focus 1911 02:38:02,360 --> 02:38:07,520 and further refinement through area plans so the next step is once this 1912 02:38:07,520 --> 02:38:11,120 comprehensive plan is moved through the hearing process and been accepted and 1913 02:38:11,120 --> 02:38:16,940 approved is to be really begin that analysis of of all the different areas 1914 02:38:16,940 --> 02:38:22,680 that are worthy of attention for additional planning and dentin what are 1915 02:38:22,680 --> 02:38:27,160 the priorities we there needs to there's gonna be I'm sure Tina will explain us 1916 02:38:27,160 --> 02:38:32,160 as well there's an intention to you know to get to work and identify that the 1917 02:38:32,160 --> 02:38:38,240 priorities for those area plans which ones we move forward with first the scope 1918 02:38:38,240 --> 02:38:43,760 what is necessary to achieve a proper vision for those area plans what kind of 1919 02:38:43,760 --> 02:38:46,720 timeline should that be accomplished in is it something that starts now is it 1920 02:38:46,720 --> 02:38:51,720 something that starts later as well as the potential for budget needs to 1921 02:38:51,720 --> 02:38:56,920 support those area plans in their development so this is one part of 1922 02:38:56,920 --> 02:39:02,320 developing a more complete community with one with more diverse housing and 1923 02:39:02,320 --> 02:39:09,560 the more diverse shopping employment number of employment opportunities 1924 02:39:09,560 --> 02:39:16,120 trying to create those you know you know the trend to implement the vision of 1925 02:39:16,120 --> 02:39:22,240 what Denton wants to be the second piece to this is also those actions related to 1926 02:39:22,240 --> 02:39:29,400 infill and redevelopment and the city of Denton already has infill standards and 1927 02:39:29,400 --> 02:39:33,160 redevelopment type standards in their regulations today they're within the 1928 02:39:33,160 --> 02:39:40,080 development code as well as other regulations the community has related to 1929 02:39:40,080 --> 02:39:48,120 engineering in streets and design and whatever else it's important that these 1930 02:39:48,120 --> 02:39:53,480 be monitored and evaluated to ensure that they're achieving the goals that 1931 02:39:53,480 --> 02:39:57,280 are desired by the community and there are actions there's an action in the 1932 02:39:57,280 --> 02:40:02,880 table related to that to making sure that the infill development standards and 1933 02:40:02,880 --> 02:40:07,360 the codes that are in place are supportive of this vision for balanced 1934 02:40:07,360 --> 02:40:14,000 growth between new growth and the infill within the community I I would like to 1935 02:40:14,000 --> 02:40:19,160 describe infill generally as those vacant parcels that have never really 1936 02:40:19,160 --> 02:40:24,100 been developed with any use that are located or surrounded by generally 1937 02:40:24,100 --> 02:40:28,360 developed properties meaning like a vacant lot that's surrounded by you know 1938 02:40:28,360 --> 02:40:33,360 residential or commercial that's an infill opportunity redevelopment 1939 02:40:33,360 --> 02:40:38,720 opportunities tend to be those parcels that are currently developed with the 1940 02:40:38,720 --> 02:40:44,480 use could be a parking lot it could be a home it could be a commercial building 1941 02:40:44,480 --> 02:40:50,800 on a corner and the redevelopment standards would be those standards that 1942 02:40:50,800 --> 02:40:56,080 help support reuse of that site so keeping the existing building in place 1943 02:40:56,080 --> 02:41:01,120 and being able to accommodate additional or different types of uses or the 1944 02:41:01,120 --> 02:41:05,800 redevelopment of you know clearing the site and then putting a new structure up 1945 02:41:05,800 --> 02:41:10,520 that's more in conformance with the vision and compatible with the area that 1946 02:41:10,520 --> 02:41:15,240 it's located in so those standards both need to be examined and evaluated to 1947 02:41:15,240 --> 02:41:19,360 make sure they're achieving what the city of Denton is intending moving 1948 02:41:19,360 --> 02:41:23,880 forward that could result in the drafting and adoption of additional 1949 02:41:23,880 --> 02:41:27,560 provisions and policies to make that happen especially in those cases where 1950 02:41:27,560 --> 02:41:30,640 we're finding that the infill standards or the redevelopment standards aren't 1951 02:41:30,640 --> 02:41:34,840 fully supporting the development vision for the community or they're creating 1952 02:41:34,840 --> 02:41:41,600 conflicts or perhaps even making it more difficult to achieve redevelopment or 1953 02:41:41,600 --> 02:41:49,840 infill on those sites so so with that you can see this concept area map on the 1954 02:41:49,840 --> 02:41:54,160 on the right and I'm gonna go to the next slide and show you the blow-up many 1955 02:41:54,160 --> 02:42:00,160 this is largely again something that was introduced as being unchanged from the 1956 02:42:00,160 --> 02:42:04,880 2030 plan because when it was reviewed by the community and staff and other 1957 02:42:04,880 --> 02:42:10,200 entities if it was shown to still be valid and in conformance with the vision 1958 02:42:10,200 --> 02:42:17,740 these focus areas you know are those opportunities for that enhanced area 1959 02:42:17,740 --> 02:42:21,720 planning but they're not the only ones there could be additional areas or they 1960 02:42:21,720 --> 02:42:30,240 may not represent the exact size as mr. McDonald Scott McDonald's noting earlier 1961 02:42:30,240 --> 02:42:35,840 is that these you know these are figurative dashed circles that kind of 1962 02:42:35,840 --> 02:42:39,760 illustrate the general area of where an area plan could take place but not 1963 02:42:39,760 --> 02:42:45,440 necessarily a hard boundary the purple rings that are added to this are 1964 02:42:45,440 --> 02:42:49,160 additional areas in light of the discussions that have occurred recently 1965 02:42:49,160 --> 02:42:53,960 where there could be potential area plans as well notably at the intersection 1966 02:42:53,960 --> 02:43:02,400 of 35 and 288 the northeast part of Denton as well as the southeast part of 1967 02:43:02,400 --> 02:43:08,360 Denton which was also brought up today as being an area of concern so those are 1968 02:43:08,360 --> 02:43:12,120 potential area plan locations those purple areas are those potential areas 1969 02:43:12,120 --> 02:43:18,400 that may be of a higher priority right now but that discussion you know remains 1970 02:43:18,400 --> 02:43:23,640 to take place at the conclusion of this process to adopt this comprehensive plan 1971 02:43:23,640 --> 02:43:27,960 the policies in this plan the action table and everything else will support 1972 02:43:27,960 --> 02:43:34,880 and inform those discussions for where area planning should take place and with 1973 02:43:34,880 --> 02:43:41,480 that I believe that I've addressed everything that was needed to be 1974 02:43:41,480 --> 02:43:46,320 addressed yes so I will be happy to take any questions or comments you may have 1975 02:43:46,320 --> 02:43:53,760 regarding that final stage of implementation detail thanks again and 1976 02:43:53,760 --> 02:44:09,600 do we have any questions or comments on this section I do not see any okay well 1977 02:44:09,600 --> 02:44:12,360 and chairman Ellis if it's all right with you then we'll proceed to our last 1978 02:44:12,360 --> 02:44:16,720 slide yes the next step slide that's great thank you and if I can have you 1979 02:44:16,720 --> 02:44:24,480 share that one more time okay so this slide should look familiar given that 1980 02:44:24,480 --> 02:44:27,640 we've shared with it in the past and it's been updated to reflect all the 1981 02:44:27,640 --> 02:44:31,760 work that we've accomplished as of today so obviously we're on today's date 1982 02:44:31,760 --> 02:44:36,360 February 9th and greatly appreciate the additional feedback and direction that 1983 02:44:36,360 --> 02:44:41,080 you have given us today want to take just a quick step back for a moment we 1984 02:44:41,080 --> 02:44:44,720 went ahead and did publish the legal notice associated with the public 1985 02:44:44,720 --> 02:44:47,720 hearings we are still anticipating moving forward with the planning and 1986 02:44:47,720 --> 02:44:51,760 zoning Commission public hearing being on February 3rd and if the Commission 1987 02:44:51,760 --> 02:44:54,880 renders a recommendation on to your meeting on that date then we would move 1988 02:44:54,880 --> 02:44:58,160 forward to City Council on March 1st and have public hearing and hopefully 1989 02:44:58,160 --> 02:45:03,600 adoption of the plan at that time but between today and in February 23rd we do 1990 02:45:03,600 --> 02:45:06,960 have one more meeting teed up that's the joint work session that we have with 1991 02:45:06,960 --> 02:45:12,880 City Council to have some work through some remaining items as it relates to 1992 02:45:12,880 --> 02:45:16,120 finishing the comprehensive plan in addition to the mobility plan so the 1993 02:45:16,120 --> 02:45:20,560 mobility plan is also on the same time frame that the comprehensive plan is on 1994 02:45:20,560 --> 02:45:26,240 so if there's hopefully you all can make it on Monday the 14th and I've had this 1995 02:45:26,240 --> 02:45:30,120 meeting on your calendars so that we can ensure that we've got quorum but other 1996 02:45:30,120 --> 02:45:33,520 than that there's any additional questions or feedback direction that the 1997 02:45:33,520 --> 02:45:36,320 Commission would like to provide as it relates to the comprehensive plan happy 1998 02:45:36,320 --> 02:45:40,120 to receive that and again we appreciate your attention to detail and in working 1999 02:45:40,120 --> 02:45:46,520 with us on this project thanks Tina with regard to that meeting on Monday do we 2000 02:45:46,520 --> 02:45:52,800 know how we're doing that are we hybrid in that meeting I assume again or we are 2001 02:45:52,800 --> 02:45:56,640 and so we need to ensure that we have four members of the planning and zoning 2002 02:45:56,640 --> 02:46:00,360 Commission that are in person as well as we'll have four members of council in 2003 02:46:00,360 --> 02:46:04,400 person and then everybody else being remote we will have that meeting in the 2004 02:46:04,400 --> 02:46:07,920 City Council chambers so you'll be positioned at the dais for those of you 2005 02:46:07,920 --> 02:46:11,720 that are participating in person and then obviously the remaining folks would 2006 02:46:11,720 --> 02:46:16,320 be remote and then we'll have limited staff potentially available either in 2007 02:46:16,320 --> 02:46:20,880 the council chambers or remote we want to make sure that should there be anyone 2008 02:46:20,880 --> 02:46:24,960 that from the public that is attending that we can socially distance and 2009 02:46:24,960 --> 02:46:29,080 maintain that those appropriate distances in the council chambers but 2010 02:46:29,080 --> 02:46:32,560 but because of the Texas Open Meetings Act with those rules no longer being 2011 02:46:32,560 --> 02:46:35,680 suspended we have to ensure that we have a minimum for planning and zoning 2012 02:46:35,680 --> 02:46:42,760 Commission members in attendance right right are there any questions other 2013 02:46:42,760 --> 02:46:50,200 discussion before we end Commissioner Villarreal I can't see you but did you 2014 02:46:50,200 --> 02:46:56,560 have any questions okay now I can see you okay very good well Ed Tina thank 2015 02:46:56,560 --> 02:47:02,960 you and to all the staff for you know putting this together working so hard on 2016 02:47:02,960 --> 02:47:06,680 this presentation has just been getting better and better honestly it's great 2017 02:47:06,680 --> 02:47:11,360 just because I think we're becoming more productive as we we move forward so 2018 02:47:11,360 --> 02:47:17,840 keeping the wheels turning and that's a really good thing so awesome so I think 2019 02:47:17,840 --> 02:47:23,000 with that I will adjourn us thank you everyone I'll adjourn us at 1 o 8 p.m. 2020 02:47:23,000 --> 02:47:26,240 thank you all