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 Good afternoon and welcome to the City of Denton's Planning and Zoning Commission meeting.

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 I'm Julie Wyatt, senior planner with the City of Denton, and I have Cameron Robertson, who's

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 And we're continuing our boot camp series and talking about urban design tonight.

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 Some framing devices, how to think about urban design, what the Denton Plan 2030 and the

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 So I just want to briefly set the table and say, you know, all built environments have

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 Tonight, we're mainly going to focus on more what you think of walkable environments or

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 So first of all, what is urban design?

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 It's an incredibly broad topic.

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 Cameron and I struggled mightily to really narrow this presentation down.

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 So many different people go into designing spaces.

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 So we've found one definition that we liked, that it is the design of our cities and towns.

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 It's collaborative and multidisciplinary.

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 It shapes our physical setting and where we live, and it can encompass the design of buildings,

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 When we were looking at urban design in this topic, we thought, okay, what does it matter?

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 In Baltimore, 57 percent more jobs were created with one dollar spent on pedestrian facilities

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 When we're talking about walkable urban environments, they can impact our health.

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 Places that you can walk and that you do have that active living are often healthier.

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 They're safe for pedestrians, both young and old, and take into account that aspect.

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 Walkable urban well-designed places are sustainable.

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 They take into account our living infrastructure, like street trees and those green spaces.

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 That everything you should need within a day-to-day is within 20 minutes walk, bike or maybe transit.

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 You shouldn't have to travel more than 20 minutes on a day-to-day basis.

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 Walk score, it might be something you're familiar with.

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 Here is a space that we all know within the city of Denton and that is the square.

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 Barley and board, if I need an appliance, I can go to Neal's.

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 That's a vibrant place, and we all know that.

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 It's within Denton, and it definitely hits all of those elements.

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 Commissioner Pruitt?

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 Stop me if you're going to cover this later at all.

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 are there any DDC requirements or goals that try to focus this type of development in specific

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 looking at those elements on that table 4.1 and seeing if that project checks some of

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 map identified areas where we are interested in having greater, denser development.

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 So once again, we're not seeing that urban context anymore.

481
00:28:34,660 --> 00:28:39,380
 We're seeing cul-de-sacs come in, we're seeing larger blocks, we're seeing a lot of auto-oriented

482
00:28:39,380 --> 00:28:42,800
 development come in.

483
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,460
 So the first case study that we're looking at is...

484
00:28:46,460 --> 00:28:49,660
 Everyone seems to know it as Idiot's Hill, but it does have multiple names.

485
00:28:49,660 --> 00:28:53,420
 It's also known as Crestwood Heights and Woods neighborhood.

486
00:28:53,420 --> 00:28:58,860
 But in this aerial from 1964, and kind of just this Google Street View snapshot that

487
00:28:58,860 --> 00:29:02,780
 we have here, you can see that it's a lot of single-family residential.

488
00:29:02,780 --> 00:29:06,620
 There are no alleyways in the neighborhood itself.

489
00:29:06,620 --> 00:29:10,660
 And a lot of the buildings or the residences have front or side entry garages, meaning

490
00:29:10,660 --> 00:29:16,140
 that it's very forgiving and auto-oriented.

491
00:29:16,140 --> 00:29:18,340
 It's really based and built around that.

492
00:29:18,340 --> 00:29:22,140
 But there is a neighborhood park and there is an elementary school kind of centered in

493
00:29:22,140 --> 00:29:23,620
 that neighborhood.

494
00:29:23,620 --> 00:29:28,300
 But when you're looking at this screenshot, you see that there's one sidewalk on one side

495
00:29:28,300 --> 00:29:29,860
 and there's no sidewalk on the other.

496
00:29:29,860 --> 00:29:33,260
 And when you kind of drive around the neighborhood, you see that there's maybe not as many sidewalks

497
00:29:33,260 --> 00:29:34,620
 that are prevalent.

498
00:29:34,620 --> 00:29:38,860
 So the walkability is a little bit more difficult, but you do have those central areas to go

499
00:29:38,860 --> 00:29:45,340
 meet and have those activities kind of, as Julie has stated, in her different framing

500
00:29:45,340 --> 00:29:46,340
 devices.

501
00:29:46,340 --> 00:29:47,940
 And then lastly, we have those larger lots.

502
00:29:47,940 --> 00:29:49,340
 We have those setbacks once again.

503
00:29:49,340 --> 00:29:53,060
 We have those front yards and we have those private open spaces in the rear.

504
00:29:53,060 --> 00:29:57,300
 And now Julie is gonna come in and talk about her case study.

505
00:29:57,300 --> 00:30:03,100
 - All right, the next suburban neighborhood we wanna talk about is something we're kind

506
00:30:03,100 --> 00:30:08,540
 of seeing now, a new trend in suburban development.

507
00:30:08,540 --> 00:30:14,900
 It's not one in the city of Denton, it's just to the southwest, it's the Harvest neighborhood.

508
00:30:14,900 --> 00:30:19,180
 It is still single-family residential, so it's still very much of that suburban form,

509
00:30:19,180 --> 00:30:23,100
 but it does bring in that mix of lot sizes and densities.

510
00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:26,940
 So if you can see the site plan, I've kind of covered it up with pictures, but if you

511
00:30:26,940 --> 00:30:30,420
 see the site plan, all those different colors represent different lot sizes.

512
00:30:30,420 --> 00:30:38,460
 So it adds to the variety within that neighborhood to provide those different product types.

513
00:30:38,460 --> 00:30:45,700
 It does have a neighborhood school, much like the previous case study, and it does now bring

514
00:30:45,700 --> 00:30:49,180
 in that legible neighborhood, that legible street grid.

515
00:30:49,180 --> 00:30:54,140
 So fewer cul-de-sacs, that's kind of the new trend coming into those suburban spaces

516
00:30:54,140 --> 00:30:58,940
 where you've got less, fewer curvilinear and cul-de-sac streets and more of that legible

517
00:30:58,940 --> 00:31:03,960
 street grid to allow, to disperse traffic to allow more walkable environments within

518
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,700
 the development.

519
00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:12,220
 It does allow for a variety of open spaces, pocket parks, linear parks, and community

520
00:31:12,220 --> 00:31:13,220
 parks.

521
00:31:13,220 --> 00:31:16,140
 And it includes a combination of alleys and front entry garages.

522
00:31:16,140 --> 00:31:22,900
 So the picture on the top, that's alley-loaded, so the houses are pulled to the front.

523
00:31:22,900 --> 00:31:28,740
 And when we think about one of the framing devices, the trick-or-treat test, this one

524
00:31:28,740 --> 00:31:34,860
 definitely passes it, because it's got those houses within proximity to each other.

525
00:31:34,860 --> 00:31:40,500
 There's definitely a connected sidewalk, and those front doors are easily seen by the street.

526
00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:49,780
 We want to go into the next case study, and that is a transition, much like the village

527
00:31:49,780 --> 00:31:52,220
 that Cameron discussed.

528
00:31:52,220 --> 00:31:57,660
 This is a project that has been under construction within the city of Denton, and it was the

529
00:31:57,660 --> 00:31:59,900
 epic development.

530
00:31:59,900 --> 00:32:02,160
 You may be familiar with this corner.

531
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:06,780
 It's the corner of Avenue C and Eagle, and this might look familiar to you.

532
00:32:06,780 --> 00:32:09,900
 This is what it looked like in 2018.

533
00:32:09,900 --> 00:32:15,580
 It was an auto-oriented commercial development, even though it was adjacent to one of the

534
00:32:15,580 --> 00:32:18,020
 universities in town.

535
00:32:18,020 --> 00:32:20,100
 And how do I know it's auto-oriented?

536
00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:25,900
 You want to give me some design elements in the picture that signals to you that it's

537
00:32:25,900 --> 00:32:33,700
 more auto- and car-friendly?

538
00:32:33,700 --> 00:32:36,220
 Front doors are like half a mile from the street.

539
00:32:36,220 --> 00:32:37,220
 Setbacks.

540
00:32:37,220 --> 00:32:38,220
 Big setbacks.

541
00:32:38,220 --> 00:32:39,220
 Yes, sir.

542
00:32:39,220 --> 00:32:40,220
 Yeah.

543
00:32:40,220 --> 00:32:41,220
 Big setback.

544
00:32:41,220 --> 00:32:42,220
 Mr. Anderson, your microphone.

545
00:32:42,220 --> 00:32:43,220
 Oh, there you go.

546
00:32:43,220 --> 00:32:52,220
 I said, "That's not a big setback.

547
00:32:52,220 --> 00:32:55,880
 The Chicken Express is right there on Eagle Drive."

548
00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:01,020
 The building's behind the parking area, so the parking is in front of the building's

549
00:33:01,020 --> 00:33:02,020
 setback.

550
00:33:02,020 --> 00:33:03,020
 You park right there in front of the other building to go in.

551
00:33:03,020 --> 00:33:08,900
 Yes, I mean, it does have different setbacks for the different streets, but one thing,

552
00:33:08,900 --> 00:33:09,900
 it's a drive-through.

553
00:33:09,900 --> 00:33:10,900
 So it's that use.

554
00:33:10,900 --> 00:33:14,940
 The Chicken Express is, but not the other building is behind it.

555
00:33:14,940 --> 00:33:15,940
 I mean, I know this area.

556
00:33:15,940 --> 00:33:16,940
 I grew up in Denton.

557
00:33:16,940 --> 00:33:19,780
 I know this area.

558
00:33:19,780 --> 00:33:23,100
 Those are parking spots for where you park and walk into the building.

559
00:33:23,100 --> 00:33:24,100
 Absolutely.

560
00:33:24,100 --> 00:33:26,300
 Yes, sir.

561
00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:35,340
 Yeah, but the intent is that when you're kind of at more suburban or auto-oriented development,

562
00:33:35,340 --> 00:33:39,620
 the parking's usually pulled toward the street with the building setback.

563
00:33:39,620 --> 00:33:45,080
 An urban design environment, and let me show you the next slide, kind of flips the script

564
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,080
 on that.

565
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:51,620
 Well, first of all, let me go over some of those design elements related to kind of that

566
00:33:51,620 --> 00:33:53,980
 auto-oriented development.

567
00:33:53,980 --> 00:34:00,220
 That area doesn't have any sidewalks, so there's no place to really walk to and from.

568
00:34:00,220 --> 00:34:03,060
 There is a wide street with multiple vehicular lanes.

569
00:34:03,060 --> 00:34:08,140
 It was a drive-through restaurant, so that sort of speaks to you're going to visit that

570
00:34:08,140 --> 00:34:10,480
 site in a car.

571
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,140
 It's not accessible for all users.

572
00:34:12,140 --> 00:34:15,180
 There's not any barrier for free ramps.

573
00:34:15,180 --> 00:34:19,820
 Everything in the front, that's one thing we talked about, and the multiple driveways,

574
00:34:19,820 --> 00:34:25,780
 so it allows for easy cars, but not easy pedestrians.

575
00:34:25,780 --> 00:34:36,300
 And then that single story with the setback off of Avenue C. And so that site has actually

576
00:34:36,300 --> 00:34:43,900
 been redeveloped to a mixed-use development that includes both multifamily and commercial.

577
00:34:43,900 --> 00:34:50,180
 So the design has changed, and it's changed by it's pulled that building up to the street.

578
00:34:50,180 --> 00:34:54,300
 The parking is actually in a parking garage, so it's kind of behind it and in a structured

579
00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:56,020
 parking.

580
00:34:56,020 --> 00:35:03,420
 The apartments are above, and they have balconies, so it allows people to see the street.

581
00:35:03,420 --> 00:35:07,700
 The bottom floor has commercial development with those sticky edges that Cameron talked

582
00:35:07,700 --> 00:35:09,380
 about where there's windows into it.

583
00:35:09,380 --> 00:35:10,380
 Yes, sir?

584
00:35:10,380 --> 00:35:12,340
 We're not talking the same apples and apples here.

585
00:35:12,340 --> 00:35:14,540
 You're talking a minute ago where you're talking businesses.

586
00:35:14,540 --> 00:35:16,100
 This is residential stuff.

587
00:35:16,100 --> 00:35:17,100
 Yes.

588
00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:18,100
 So there's a difference.

589
00:35:18,100 --> 00:35:19,100
 Absolutely.

590
00:35:19,100 --> 00:35:20,100
 Absolutely.

591
00:35:20,100 --> 00:35:21,100
 Yes.

592
00:35:21,100 --> 00:35:22,100
 That one was single-use commercial.

593
00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:23,100
 I mean, this is more suburban, small-town.

594
00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:24,100
 Absolutely.

595
00:35:24,100 --> 00:35:26,940
 What you're showing now is more urban, big-city stuff.

596
00:35:26,940 --> 00:35:27,940
 Absolutely.

597
00:35:27,940 --> 00:35:28,940
 Yes.

598
00:35:28,940 --> 00:35:33,460
 And this site has really, and that's exactly it, that that site has really kind of changed

599
00:35:33,460 --> 00:35:36,580
 and transitioned.

600
00:35:36,580 --> 00:35:43,660
 So yes, now it has gone from that single-use commercial to that mix of uses with that commercial

601
00:35:43,660 --> 00:35:48,100
 piece on the bottom floor with the residential on top.

602
00:35:48,100 --> 00:35:55,380
 It has changed in terms of, you know, we talked about why design is important, and part of

603
00:35:55,380 --> 00:35:57,540
 it is that economic.

604
00:35:57,540 --> 00:36:03,300
 The property's been replatted, so I don't have DCAD data for prior to replatting, but

605
00:36:03,300 --> 00:36:09,500
 the 2021 valuation values that land at $1.5 million, and the improvements at $32 million

606
00:36:09,500 --> 00:36:10,500
 on the property.

607
00:36:10,500 --> 00:36:14,420
 So there's been quite an investment, a private investment on this site.

608
00:36:14,420 --> 00:36:18,860
 Now we'll go to Cameron again.

609
00:36:18,860 --> 00:36:23,420
 So the first urban case study that we're going to look at is the square.

610
00:36:23,420 --> 00:36:24,420
 Everyone knows the square.

611
00:36:24,420 --> 00:36:29,660
 That's kind of when you first think of what's urban in Denton, you think of the square.

612
00:36:29,660 --> 00:36:34,900
 So looking at the square itself, we kind of have those, we have nine pinpoints that we

613
00:36:34,900 --> 00:36:36,140
 really focus on.

614
00:36:36,140 --> 00:36:39,340
 The first one is, is it intended to be walkable?

615
00:36:39,340 --> 00:36:41,980
 So in the square, we have those wide sidewalks.

616
00:36:41,980 --> 00:36:47,280
 They're easily accessible, and we have that dense building development where people can

617
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,320
 walk from point A to point B pretty quickly.

618
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,400
 We also have the buildings oriented along the sidewalks.

619
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,460
 So they're facing the street fronts.

620
00:36:56,460 --> 00:37:00,860
 The entrances are oriented towards the street so that people who are traveling by car or

621
00:37:00,860 --> 00:37:06,740
 walking along the street can really have easy access and interact with those ground floors.

622
00:37:06,740 --> 00:37:10,940
 And then we have the central open space around the courthouse where Julia's talked about

623
00:37:10,940 --> 00:37:16,500
 that power of 10, people can listen to music, they can have a picnic, they can interact

624
00:37:16,500 --> 00:37:18,540
 and meet with friends.

625
00:37:18,540 --> 00:37:22,140
 The next is kind of having that mix of uses, and the square really has that.

626
00:37:22,140 --> 00:37:27,140
 They have a mix of retail, restaurants, and there's residential as well.

627
00:37:27,140 --> 00:37:29,540
 And then we have the on street parking.

628
00:37:29,540 --> 00:37:32,960
 When I'm looking at these photos, the parking is not really the main focus.

629
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:39,460
 There is parking available both on street at a parallel or at an angle parking, but

630
00:37:39,460 --> 00:37:41,740
 people still can use other modes of transit.

631
00:37:41,740 --> 00:37:46,540
 They can bike there, they can park their bike there, they can take transit, whether it's

632
00:37:46,540 --> 00:37:49,540
 the bus, they have other options.

633
00:37:49,540 --> 00:37:52,740
 And then you're looking at that pedestrian scale.

634
00:37:52,740 --> 00:37:54,960
 Lighting and also the building massing itself.

635
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,060
 So the lighting allows people to feel comfortable and safe at all times of day, whether it's

636
00:37:59,060 --> 00:38:03,740
 early in the morning or late at night, they'll have the signage lighting as well as the lighting

637
00:38:03,740 --> 00:38:05,580
 from the street.

638
00:38:05,580 --> 00:38:08,940
 And the square itself is really well defined and branded.

639
00:38:08,940 --> 00:38:14,580
 So you'll see that on our trash cans and also just the block sizes themselves, that 300 foot

640
00:38:14,580 --> 00:38:18,380
 by 120 feet, the blocks make them very walkable.

641
00:38:18,380 --> 00:38:23,780
 And when you enter the square, you know that this is kind of the center.

642
00:38:23,780 --> 00:38:25,860
 And back to Julie.

643
00:38:25,860 --> 00:38:30,840
 All right, we have our last urban case study.

644
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:35,060
 And this is one that's been pretty interesting within the city of Denton.

645
00:38:35,060 --> 00:38:40,420
 This is one of those areas that has kind of transitioned in the last few years.

646
00:38:40,420 --> 00:38:43,140
 So it was the Hickory Grand Street.

647
00:38:43,140 --> 00:38:48,700
 If you recall, in 2010, the city adopted the downtown implementation plan, which was really

648
00:38:48,700 --> 00:38:52,240
 a kind of a small area plan for the downtown area.

649
00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:56,740
 As part of it, it included design interventions for the streets, depending on the context

650
00:38:56,740 --> 00:38:57,940
 of the street.

651
00:38:57,940 --> 00:39:01,740
 And one of the primary streets they talked about was Hickory Street.

652
00:39:01,740 --> 00:39:08,100
 And the plan envisioned that because Hickory Street connects DCTA with the courthouse,

653
00:39:08,100 --> 00:39:11,740
 that that was kind of the grand street, that was going to be the main thoroughfare to get

654
00:39:11,740 --> 00:39:13,900
 into downtown from DCTA.

655
00:39:13,900 --> 00:39:18,380
 And so there should be special consideration given to that street and that they wanted

656
00:39:18,380 --> 00:39:26,700
 to provide additional streetscape and improvements to that street.

657
00:39:26,700 --> 00:39:34,420
 So as a result of that, in August of 2012, council approved an engineering services contract

658
00:39:34,420 --> 00:39:37,340
 to design the Hickory Grand Street project.

659
00:39:37,340 --> 00:39:41,860
 It included pedestrian improvements and then streetscape improvements.

660
00:39:41,860 --> 00:39:47,820
 And the project budget was about $3.2 million.

661
00:39:47,820 --> 00:39:54,640
 So to give you kind of a view of about what Hickory Street looked like in 2007, so it

662
00:39:54,640 --> 00:40:00,700
 was a little earlier than the DTIP, but it had the zoning of downtown commercial general

663
00:40:00,700 --> 00:40:01,700
 districts.

664
00:40:01,700 --> 00:40:04,740
 So the zoning was consistent with the rest of downtown.

665
00:40:04,740 --> 00:40:11,460
 Hickory had within the right of way two-way traffic with three vehicular lanes and on

666
00:40:11,460 --> 00:40:13,420
 street parking.

667
00:40:13,420 --> 00:40:15,020
 It had limited tree canopy.

668
00:40:15,020 --> 00:40:22,020
 It did have some trees in the area, but there wasn't quite a line of street trees down the

669
00:40:22,020 --> 00:40:24,140
 street.

670
00:40:24,140 --> 00:40:27,860
 There were sidewalks, but there was limited accessibility.

671
00:40:27,860 --> 00:40:30,740
 You can see on the side here there weren't any very free ramps.

672
00:40:30,740 --> 00:40:33,780
 There were some disconnects in that sidewalk.

673
00:40:33,780 --> 00:40:37,300
 And then the lighting was really to illuminate the street.

674
00:40:37,300 --> 00:40:43,460
 It was intended to make sure that cars could see, but that pedestrians wasn't factoring

675
00:40:43,460 --> 00:40:46,100
 in that sidewalk.

676
00:40:46,100 --> 00:40:50,680
 So this is what it looks like in 2019 and it's similar to today.

677
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:58,680
 It includes those interventions that they called for within the DTIP, skinning up the

678
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:07,700
 travel lanes to that two lanes, still maintaining each way or two-way streets, but providing

679
00:41:07,700 --> 00:41:13,740
 the angled on-street parking, adding those street trees in the landscape islands, improving

680
00:41:13,740 --> 00:41:17,660
 the sidewalk and also the lighting.

681
00:41:17,660 --> 00:41:23,060
 And then here's what it looks like from a bird's eye view, kind of showing those different

682
00:41:23,060 --> 00:41:29,180
 elements, that angled parking, the travel lanes on the street, that increased tree canopy

683
00:41:29,180 --> 00:41:33,820
 with those landscape islands, those wider connected sidewalks in the pedestrian scale

684
00:41:33,820 --> 00:41:35,980
 lighting.

685
00:41:35,980 --> 00:41:39,300
 So what does that mean and what are the results associated with that?

686
00:41:39,300 --> 00:41:46,060
 So we talked about why design is important, but what are the results?

687
00:41:46,060 --> 00:41:51,860
 So we did a little study on the street to see what happened.

688
00:41:51,860 --> 00:41:54,900
 So the city spent $2 million, so what happened on the street?

689
00:41:54,900 --> 00:42:02,620
 So by our analysis, the assessed value of the property on Hickory Street from 2012 to

690
00:42:02,620 --> 00:42:06,400
 2021 increased by 123%.

691
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,940
 Now that does net out those lots that were replatted because I couldn't get the data

692
00:42:10,940 --> 00:42:13,980
 to go apples to apples, so we just removed those.

693
00:42:13,980 --> 00:42:18,940
 And it also takes out anything owned by a city facility or a public entity, the fire

694
00:42:18,940 --> 00:42:21,140
 station is on the street.

695
00:42:21,140 --> 00:42:25,100
 So there was a large increase in that property value.

696
00:42:25,100 --> 00:42:30,460
 There has also been private investment within the street, commercial permits totaling about

697
00:42:30,460 --> 00:42:33,980
 $3 million, so there's been that private investment.

698
00:42:33,980 --> 00:42:39,140
 And then also, just today I had a pre-application conference with an applicant who was looking

699
00:42:39,140 --> 00:42:44,960
 at developing one of the vacant lots on the street with a bar and restaurant.

700
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:49,000
 So that development and that reinvestment in the street continues to today.

701
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:58,100
 So it really is paying off those design interventions on Hickory Street.

702
00:42:58,100 --> 00:43:02,060
 So as we start to wrap up our presentation, we kind of want to leave you with this quote.

703
00:43:02,060 --> 00:43:04,340
 And William White is an American sociologist.

704
00:43:04,340 --> 00:43:10,240
 He did a lot of studies of the public and private realm, publicly owned private spaces.

705
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:15,180
 And his famous quote is, "It is difficult to design a space that will not attract people.

706
00:43:15,180 --> 00:43:18,660
 What is remarkable is how often this has been accomplished."

707
00:43:18,660 --> 00:43:25,180
 So moving on to kind of everything that you've heard me and Julie present about today, it's

708
00:43:25,180 --> 00:43:31,800
 supposed to be a fun pop quiz about good or bad urban design.

709
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:38,420
 So looking at these photos here, what numbers have bad urban design and why?

710
00:43:38,420 --> 00:43:40,980
 And what numbers have good urban design and why?

711
00:43:40,980 --> 00:43:42,980
 I can give you a first example.

712
00:43:42,980 --> 00:43:46,020
 So we have number three.

713
00:43:46,020 --> 00:43:47,500
 This is from Albany, New York.

714
00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:48,760
 This is kind of their capital.

715
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,660
 This is their plaza area.

716
00:43:50,660 --> 00:43:54,780
 This is a kind of a relationship between that private and public realm.

717
00:43:54,780 --> 00:43:59,820
 But when you're looking at it, it's great that you have the two spaces, but you have

718
00:43:59,820 --> 00:44:04,020
 waterways in the center with granite tiling.

719
00:44:04,020 --> 00:44:06,900
 So is that really walkable all times of year?

720
00:44:06,900 --> 00:44:07,900
 No.

721
00:44:07,900 --> 00:44:11,660
 When you have wind blowing, you have snow, people are going to be slipping and sliding,

722
00:44:11,660 --> 00:44:13,340
 potentially falling into water.

723
00:44:13,340 --> 00:44:17,740
 So that's kind of a first example to get us kicked off.

724
00:44:17,740 --> 00:44:21,980
 Julie, you can come up too.

725
00:44:21,980 --> 00:44:26,360
 Does somebody want to chime in?

726
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,860
 Number one looks like a great urban design, right?

727
00:44:29,860 --> 00:44:30,980
 It's incredibly inviting.

728
00:44:30,980 --> 00:44:32,300
 The sidewalk is right there.

729
00:44:32,300 --> 00:44:35,780
 The fronts of the buildings are right there.

730
00:44:35,780 --> 00:44:37,100
 There's a bench to sit down.

731
00:44:37,100 --> 00:44:40,300
 I mean, that's to me a nice urban plan.

732
00:44:40,300 --> 00:44:41,300
 Of course.

733
00:44:41,300 --> 00:44:42,300
 Yeah.

734
00:44:42,300 --> 00:44:43,300
 Lots of texture in that one.

735
00:44:43,300 --> 00:44:44,300
 Absolutely.

736
00:44:44,300 --> 00:44:45,300
 Yeah.

737
00:44:45,300 --> 00:44:46,300
 Looks great.

738
00:44:46,300 --> 00:44:47,300
 Okay.

739
00:44:47,300 --> 00:44:48,300
 Anybody else or shall I keep going?

740
00:44:48,300 --> 00:45:00,860
 I think one and five are, you know, two and three look like old Soviet Union type, you

741
00:45:00,860 --> 00:45:01,860
 know.

742
00:45:01,860 --> 00:45:07,420
 It's what you'd see in Eastern Europe or, I mean, not very aesthetic, but one and five

743
00:45:07,420 --> 00:45:08,980
 is wonderful.

744
00:45:08,980 --> 00:45:16,780
 One quick question, the difference between the downtown district and because Denton in

745
00:45:16,780 --> 00:45:24,280
 the last 30 years has become a multi-destination city.

746
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,660
 So back in the day you had University Drive.

747
00:45:27,660 --> 00:45:28,660
 That was the hub.

748
00:45:28,660 --> 00:45:29,660
 That was the strip.

749
00:45:29,660 --> 00:45:34,740
 That's where everybody, because there's three guys here that drove that thing, plenty in

750
00:45:34,740 --> 00:45:35,740
 high school.

751
00:45:35,740 --> 00:45:42,520
 We all did, the three of us, and, I mean, everything, all the businesses, it was, but

752
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:47,300
 now we're a multi-destination city.

753
00:45:47,300 --> 00:45:50,140
 Downtown district has no parking minimum, correct?

754
00:45:50,140 --> 00:45:51,140
 Correct.

755
00:45:51,140 --> 00:45:57,480
 So why are we holding these other areas to parking minimums?

756
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:05,460
 Why aren't we just, what, waiving parking minimums to, I mean, does that make sense?

757
00:46:05,460 --> 00:46:06,460
 Yes.

758
00:46:06,460 --> 00:46:07,460
 I completely understand.

759
00:46:07,460 --> 00:46:08,460
 So you're right.

760
00:46:08,460 --> 00:46:09,460
 Part of it is the context of the development.

761
00:46:09,460 --> 00:46:13,780
 I think as Julie and Cameron have illustrated this evening is that we have, much of the

762
00:46:13,780 --> 00:46:18,540
 city was very auto-oriented development, where you think about the invention of the automobile,

763
00:46:18,540 --> 00:46:21,420
 then that shifted our growth patterns in many of our cities.

764
00:46:21,420 --> 00:46:25,540
 And so in a very suburban city, you know, we tell people that, you know, if you want

765
00:46:25,540 --> 00:46:30,540
 to build a retail building, then here's where you'll place it on the property.

766
00:46:30,540 --> 00:46:35,380
 And by the way, you also need to have X number of parking spaces being provided on the site.

767
00:46:35,380 --> 00:46:40,360
 We have minimum parking ratios established to ensure that there was ample places for

768
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,060
 people to be able to park their vehicles.

769
00:46:43,060 --> 00:46:46,540
 Some of that is now also driven by financial industry as well.

770
00:46:46,540 --> 00:46:50,420
 Banks want to make sure that the properties can be successful in the businesses that occupy

771
00:46:50,420 --> 00:46:51,420
 them.

772
00:46:51,420 --> 00:46:54,580
 So hence why they're also interested in the parking requirement associated with it.

773
00:46:54,580 --> 00:47:02,180
 There is a strong interest in today's way of thinking with respect to, from a planning

774
00:47:02,180 --> 00:47:08,180
 mindset that we have definitely over-parked our sites for many decades.

775
00:47:08,180 --> 00:47:12,900
 And that there -- and you see that when you drive by retail shopping centers or restaurant

776
00:47:12,900 --> 00:47:17,980
 developments that -- where the majority of the parking is vacant.

777
00:47:17,980 --> 00:47:22,780
 On retail, we plan for the time of year leading up to Christmas, when you really think about

778
00:47:22,780 --> 00:47:23,780
 it.

779
00:47:23,780 --> 00:47:25,740
 Because that's when our parking lots are the most full.

780
00:47:25,740 --> 00:47:29,460
 So the rest of the time is we've just been very auto-oriented, so we wanted to make sure

781
00:47:29,460 --> 00:47:31,100
 we had plenty of spaces to park our vehicles.

782
00:47:31,100 --> 00:47:38,380
 But like I said, there's now a way of thinking of allowing less parking minimums, reducing

783
00:47:38,380 --> 00:47:45,300
 the amount of impervious surface, and allowing the market also to be able to dictate roughly

784
00:47:45,300 --> 00:47:47,100
 how much parking is needed.

785
00:47:47,100 --> 00:47:53,820
 In more urban areas that are more walkable, the thinking is a park once concept.

786
00:47:53,820 --> 00:48:00,800
 In our very suburban developed cities, it's difficult to have the park once concept.

787
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:06,160
 If you think of a typical retail shopping center, maybe you have like a Target or Walmart

788
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:10,260
 is the anchor, but then you have the spans from the anchor of all the other individual

789
00:48:10,260 --> 00:48:11,300
 spaces.

790
00:48:11,300 --> 00:48:14,900
 When you go to that shopping center, do you -- and you know you need to go to multiple

791
00:48:14,900 --> 00:48:19,420
 of those stores, do you park in the middle and walk to all the others, or do you find

792
00:48:19,420 --> 00:48:21,940
 yourself moving your car along the way?

793
00:48:21,940 --> 00:48:27,540
 And so that's just some of that evolution of the parking, but also -- but we're now

794
00:48:27,540 --> 00:48:32,020
 shifting towards maybe we don't need as much parking anymore, and we can maximize development

795
00:48:32,020 --> 00:48:38,780
 opportunities and maybe provide more building space and accommodate other means of transportation.

796
00:48:38,780 --> 00:48:44,500
 You know, I just think -- I don't want to sacrifice economic output, economic activity

797
00:48:44,500 --> 00:48:45,620
 for a parking space.

798
00:48:45,620 --> 00:48:50,940
 I can count on two hands how many businesses in this town weren't started because of parking

799
00:48:50,940 --> 00:48:51,940
 minimums.

800
00:48:51,940 --> 00:48:58,120
 I mean, because you look at Wind River, well, they have a roundabout, they have a walkability,

801
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,980
 but they have parking minimums.

802
00:49:00,980 --> 00:49:06,220
 You know, so I mean, you know, I'm just talking about other -- as you can tell, I don't like

803
00:49:06,220 --> 00:49:07,220
 parking minimums.

804
00:49:07,220 --> 00:49:08,220
 So --

805
00:49:08,220 --> 00:49:09,220
 Okay, I'm going to --

806
00:49:09,220 --> 00:49:10,220
 That's out of here in the narrative.

807
00:49:10,220 --> 00:49:11,220
 We shall move on.

808
00:49:11,220 --> 00:49:12,220
 Yeah.

809
00:49:12,220 --> 00:49:16,220
 I don't want to get this into the parking discussion, but I want to get back to Julian

810
00:49:16,220 --> 00:49:17,220
 and Cameron's presentation.

811
00:49:17,220 --> 00:49:21,820
 Well, and I was going to say, I mean, but the last thing, if you don't mind, Commissioner

812
00:49:21,820 --> 00:49:28,020
 Ellis, that I'll add is several cities have rethought their parking requirements, where

813
00:49:28,020 --> 00:49:31,180
 we have reduced the minimum parking requirements.

814
00:49:31,180 --> 00:49:34,780
 The city that I came from, we overhauled our parking regulations.

815
00:49:34,780 --> 00:49:40,260
 One of the reasons why we did is because we established new land use policies for certain

816
00:49:40,260 --> 00:49:41,260
 areas.

817
00:49:41,260 --> 00:49:44,860
 We were interested in seeing reinvestment happen, particularly within an area that was

818
00:49:44,860 --> 00:49:50,100
 originally developed as more of an industrial park, but we were wanting to allow for uses

819
00:49:50,100 --> 00:49:54,540
 such as restaurants, which if people are driving there, they're going to have a greater number

820
00:49:54,540 --> 00:49:59,740
 of parking spaces, right, retail and bars, and accommodating some of these more social

821
00:49:59,740 --> 00:50:02,700
 uses in an area that originally developed as an industrial district.

822
00:50:02,700 --> 00:50:06,700
 Well, as an industrial district, there was very little parking provided, but we went

823
00:50:06,700 --> 00:50:12,340
 and we modified our parking requirements because we knew if we want these buildings to be reused

824
00:50:12,340 --> 00:50:17,860
 for many of these other types of uses that we're interested in having, normally, a restaurant

825
00:50:17,860 --> 00:50:22,780
 use would have had to provide parking at one space per 100 square feet of building area,

826
00:50:22,780 --> 00:50:27,100
 whereas a warehouse building is one space per 1,000 square feet.

827
00:50:27,100 --> 00:50:32,260
 So in order to accommodate adaptive reuse of those sites, we lessened the parking requirement

828
00:50:32,260 --> 00:50:37,540
 and took the parking minimums, I think, to one space per 400 square feet.

829
00:50:37,540 --> 00:50:43,220
 And then we also standardized office parking, retail service uses, so that way, if someone

830
00:50:43,220 --> 00:50:46,660
 makes investment in the property, maybe they had to add a little more parking, but if that

831
00:50:46,660 --> 00:50:51,540
 tenant ever leaves, then another tenant can go in there and be able to occupy that building.

832
00:50:51,540 --> 00:50:56,820
 So there is a strong move towards reducing parking minimums, allowing the market to be

833
00:50:56,820 --> 00:51:00,900
 able to dictate, but also allowing the businesses to be able to really assess on how many parking

834
00:51:00,900 --> 00:51:04,660
 spaces they think that they would need in order to be able to support their development.

835
00:51:04,660 --> 00:51:07,300
 So I'll get off my parking soapbox now.

836
00:51:07,300 --> 00:51:11,140
 Because we don't want to take away from the focus of planning.

837
00:51:11,140 --> 00:51:15,380
 Well, I know they're on their last slide.

838
00:51:15,380 --> 00:51:19,520
 So just to wrap this presentation up, we wanted to leave you all with some further information

839
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:20,900
 and reading.

840
00:51:20,900 --> 00:51:24,460
 We have a bunch of different websites listed here, kind of talking about those different

841
00:51:24,460 --> 00:51:26,380
 framing devices that Julie mentioned.

842
00:51:26,380 --> 00:51:30,300
 We have Kevin Lynch, the image of the city.

843
00:51:30,300 --> 00:51:35,060
 We have our historic aerials, which you can find on our city website, also WalkScore.

844
00:51:35,060 --> 00:51:36,480
 And then in general, just travel.

845
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:42,420
 Get out, explore North Texas, explore other states, you know, as this world is starting

846
00:51:42,420 --> 00:51:47,360
 to slowly open, you know, get out and just kind of explore those urban environments that

847
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,020
 are kind of at your fingertips.

848
00:51:49,020 --> 00:51:51,060
 And that is it.

849
00:51:51,060 --> 00:51:53,940
 Thank you.

850
00:51:53,940 --> 00:51:54,940
 Commissioner Anderson.

851
00:51:54,940 --> 00:51:55,940
 Thanks, Chair.

852
00:51:55,940 --> 00:51:56,940
 I have a quick question.

853
00:51:56,940 --> 00:52:00,540
 I have traveled to a few other cities.

854
00:52:00,540 --> 00:52:06,500
 And one city in particular is St. Peterburg, Florida.

855
00:52:06,500 --> 00:52:12,780
 And they have the scenes called First Fridays, and where they shut down the blocks around

856
00:52:12,780 --> 00:52:19,340
 the city and they set up stages at the end and they have, I mean, it's a fun place for

857
00:52:19,340 --> 00:52:21,660
 everybody enjoys First Fridays.

858
00:52:21,660 --> 00:52:26,580
 And I was thinking, since we have Thursdays up on the square, maybe the city could think

859
00:52:26,580 --> 00:52:29,960
 about doing something like that, where we could call it, you know, Third Thursdays or

860
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:37,140
 something like this, where the Third Thursday of the month, where they block off from industrial,

861
00:52:37,140 --> 00:52:43,340
 where we can get those people involved to the west side, to like 9-4-0 and get those

862
00:52:43,340 --> 00:52:50,540
 bars and those restaurants involved, not just bars, sorry, you know, and spread it out and

863
00:52:50,540 --> 00:52:56,260
 have where, you know, those roads are shut down, and everybody knows on Third Thursday,

864
00:52:56,260 --> 00:53:00,460
 and maybe have some live music and stuff like this and get people coming to the city and

865
00:53:00,460 --> 00:53:01,460
 stuff like this.

866
00:53:01,460 --> 00:53:04,700
 So I don't know who you would talk to, or I'd talk to, or whatever, but I just want

867
00:53:04,700 --> 00:53:08,180
 to throw that out there and let that be on the record, maybe something that, because

868
00:53:08,180 --> 00:53:09,180
 it's a fun, fun thing.

869
00:53:09,180 --> 00:53:11,100
 It really is.

870
00:53:11,100 --> 00:53:16,540
 If you haven't been to St. Petersburg on First Fridays, it's a blast.

871
00:53:16,540 --> 00:53:18,420
 And just letting you know.

872
00:53:18,420 --> 00:53:23,220
 And I think it would be a great economic boom for the city on, I'm doing like a Third Thursday

873
00:53:23,220 --> 00:53:24,220
 or something like that.

874
00:53:24,220 --> 00:53:25,220
 So anyway, just my opinion.

875
00:53:25,220 --> 00:53:26,220
 That's a great idea.

876
00:53:26,220 --> 00:53:27,220
 Any other questions?

877
00:53:27,220 --> 00:53:28,220
 Commissioner Perot?

878
00:53:28,220 --> 00:53:29,220
 Yeah, just one.

879
00:53:29,220 --> 00:53:30,220
 Thank you.

880
00:53:30,220 --> 00:53:31,220
 First of all, great, great overview.

881
00:53:31,220 --> 00:53:36,460
 Very helpful, especially in the context of the history of Denton.

882
00:53:36,460 --> 00:53:41,940
 It's hard for me to find those historical aerial imagery, and that really tells a great

883
00:53:41,940 --> 00:53:43,940
 picture.

884
00:53:43,940 --> 00:53:48,180
 I guess the question I have, I really appreciated the harvest example.

885
00:53:48,180 --> 00:53:50,660
 I know that wasn't from Denton.

886
00:53:50,660 --> 00:53:58,000
 And I'm wondering sort of if you can tell us what the planning or economic trends are

887
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:05,460
 that are encouraging more newer development like that, and sort of what impediments exist

888
00:54:05,460 --> 00:54:12,100
 to being able to allow development like that that might sort of mix between a suburban

889
00:54:12,100 --> 00:54:16,340
 and an urban form, if that makes sense.

890
00:54:16,340 --> 00:54:18,100
 Whether it's parking or something else.

891
00:54:18,100 --> 00:54:23,480
 No, we don't have to have the litany of the answer right now, but I'm just very interested

892
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:31,660
 in seeing, you know, I think in your original definition slide, there was a reference to

893
00:54:31,660 --> 00:54:35,260
 how areas develop over time, right?

894
00:54:35,260 --> 00:54:40,700
 And I think I've been fairly clear that I care about things at a longer lifespan than

895
00:54:40,700 --> 00:54:42,700
 how long I've been alive, right?

896
00:54:42,700 --> 00:54:51,340
 And so I try to evaluate things based on how an area could eventually evolve, right?

897
00:54:51,340 --> 00:54:54,060
 So I just offer that.

898
00:54:54,060 --> 00:54:59,060
 Well, that might be something we need to think about as we're moving forward in our comprehensive

899
00:54:59,060 --> 00:55:00,060
 planning.

900
00:55:00,060 --> 00:55:04,640
 This is kind of a good time to talk about this, because Ron's sitting behind us, and

901
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:11,620
 he's working on that project, but our base zoning districts don't really encourage that

902
00:55:11,620 --> 00:55:15,900
 type of variety within the lot sizes in a development.

903
00:55:15,900 --> 00:55:27,740
 But our 2019 DDC does require open space, like usable open space, for some developments.

904
00:55:27,740 --> 00:55:32,740
 And I will say we're seeing a lot of planned developments within the city of Denton, and

905
00:55:32,740 --> 00:55:36,980
 y'all are seeing a lot of planned developments that I think bring in some of these principles,

906
00:55:36,980 --> 00:55:39,620
 and I anticipate you'll probably see more.

907
00:55:39,620 --> 00:55:45,420
 I think we also have some pretty big projects coming in, in terms of the west side of town

908
00:55:45,420 --> 00:55:47,220
 that bring in some of these principles.

909
00:55:47,220 --> 00:55:50,700
 So I anticipate we're going to be seeing more of it within the city of Denton.

910
00:55:50,700 --> 00:55:57,940
 But it's something we can continue to explore and talk about and use our brain trust in

911
00:55:57,940 --> 00:55:59,940
 the city to encourage.

912
00:55:59,940 --> 00:56:05,180
 Well, and what I would add to that is, to help address your question there, Commissioner

913
00:56:05,180 --> 00:56:10,740
 Pruitt is, you know, we are predominantly a suburban city, right?

914
00:56:10,740 --> 00:56:16,980
 And so we will have areas that may be more appropriate for more urban form of development.

915
00:56:16,980 --> 00:56:21,020
 The entire city is not going to evolve into an urban design city.

916
00:56:21,020 --> 00:56:25,060
 I mean, just the reality of that is the nature of that.

917
00:56:25,060 --> 00:56:32,940
 But as we are looking at reinvestment in certain areas within our community, understanding

918
00:56:32,940 --> 00:56:38,460
 what people desire today in terms of where they want to live and in their form of development,

919
00:56:38,460 --> 00:56:41,420
 I think we have the ability to be very intentional.

920
00:56:41,420 --> 00:56:46,820
 If we are wanting to allow for more urban infill design developments, then being more

921
00:56:46,820 --> 00:56:51,040
 intentional as to where we have those areas occur within our city.

922
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:55,100
 Because again, I go back to the entire city is not going to become an urban development.

923
00:56:55,100 --> 00:56:59,960
 But I think, like you mentioned earlier, is that people come to Denton for a variety of

924
00:56:59,960 --> 00:57:04,460
 different reasons, but we can be intentional as to where we have certain areas of the city

925
00:57:04,460 --> 00:57:07,400
 be more urban in form.

926
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:12,540
 We have to establish a plan in place and then be willing to follow that plan.

927
00:57:12,540 --> 00:57:16,500
 And that's where this comes into play, more importantly for you as appointed members of

928
00:57:16,500 --> 00:57:21,160
 the Planning and Zoning Commission, but even City Council also, is to have the wherewithal

929
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:24,540
 to stick with the plan and stick with the vision for the area.

930
00:57:24,540 --> 00:57:30,340
 If you are wanting to see an area substantially evolve and be an urban village, if you will,

931
00:57:30,340 --> 00:57:35,260
 then you need to be willing to stay the course, know that you will be tested.

932
00:57:35,260 --> 00:57:38,500
 And one of the ways that you're going to be tested and you're tested on a regular basis

933
00:57:38,500 --> 00:57:42,420
 is resident opposition, okay, that whole not in my backyard.

934
00:57:42,420 --> 00:57:48,260
 There is there is an interest in Quimby, which is quality within my backyard, but it's being

935
00:57:48,260 --> 00:57:54,500
 able to be able to communicate to folks that this is the adopted policy and the plan for

936
00:57:54,500 --> 00:57:58,820
 the area, and we are interested in having this form of development happen within that

937
00:57:58,820 --> 00:57:59,820
 area.

938
00:57:59,820 --> 00:58:09,180
 So thank you, but I do see where opposition has been brought forward by Commissioner McDade

939
00:58:09,180 --> 00:58:16,620
 with district one regarding certain properties and the City Council does totally opposite

940
00:58:16,620 --> 00:58:22,540
 of what we voted for when they didn't they were opposed certain things and then they

941
00:58:22,540 --> 00:58:23,540
 get upset.

942
00:58:23,540 --> 00:58:30,580
 So the citizens in district one don't believe that what they say gets done because City

943
00:58:30,580 --> 00:58:33,060
 Council does opposite of what we try to vote for.

944
00:58:33,060 --> 00:58:38,700
 Well, and I think that's where having a plan in place as to how we want an area to develop

945
00:58:38,700 --> 00:58:43,260
 and Commissioner McDade and Haley and I were having a conversation earlier about if we

946
00:58:43,260 --> 00:58:48,740
 have an opportunity to do an area plan for Southeast Denton, then it's imperative that

947
00:58:48,740 --> 00:58:54,340
 we engage the residents that own property and reside within that area the community

948
00:58:54,340 --> 00:58:59,500
 to be part of establishing the plan in the vision for the area.

949
00:58:59,500 --> 00:59:05,020
 And then that way the subsequent steps are implementing the vision and plan for the area.

950
00:59:05,020 --> 00:59:09,560
 Right now I think some would say that the Southeast Denton area lacks a plan or vision

951
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:10,980
 in place for it.

952
00:59:10,980 --> 00:59:17,100
 And so when we get zoning requests in being proposed for the area, is it truly implementing

953
00:59:17,100 --> 00:59:22,300
 what the what the city wants is it what's the neighborhood wants and and so we're at

954
00:59:22,300 --> 00:59:25,700
 a challenge if we don't have a vision and plan for that area.

955
00:59:25,700 --> 00:59:31,000
 So it's that's where it becomes more challenging for you for you all as the commission, but

956
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,260
 also in council.

957
00:59:33,260 --> 00:59:37,700
 I think there's been probably a lot of lessons learned as a result of that zoning case and

958
00:59:37,700 --> 00:59:41,460
 a lot of opportunity, you know hindsight is always 20/20 right.

959
00:59:41,460 --> 00:59:45,620
 So there's been a lot of opportunity to think about how maybe we could have addressed that

960
00:59:45,620 --> 00:59:50,820
 zoning case differently from a from a decision standpoint, but I think a lot of it goes back

961
00:59:50,820 --> 00:59:54,380
 to is we have to have a vision and a plan for the area.

962
00:59:54,380 --> 00:59:57,980
 The comprehensive plan we're working on the update right now, but that's a very high level

963
00:59:57,980 --> 01:00:01,580
 you have 30,000 level assessment of the city.

964
01:00:01,580 --> 01:00:04,860
 It's not a lot by lot assessment like zoning is.

965
01:00:04,860 --> 01:00:09,180
 And so if there are opportunities to do area plans when you know in Southeast end would

966
01:00:09,180 --> 01:00:13,940
 be a great opportunity to do an area plan, but it has the community involved in it for

967
01:00:13,940 --> 01:00:19,440
 the community to help define what they want for the future of their city and how they

968
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:24,860
 want to see it evolve, or in some cases maybe stay the same, but it's that we have to have

969
01:00:24,860 --> 01:00:29,700
 that public input and then adopt a plan for the area and then stay the course with a plan.

970
01:00:29,700 --> 01:00:35,940
 But I agree, I totally agree, but I do think the citizens of district one feel that their

971
01:00:35,940 --> 01:00:44,900
 voice isn't heard due to the lack of their voice being understood from the council or

972
01:00:44,900 --> 01:00:50,060
 PNC commissioners brought forward a couple of different things.

973
01:00:50,060 --> 01:00:54,740
 And I believe the citizens of district one believe it's what the city wants done and

974
01:00:54,740 --> 01:00:58,300
 what developers want done, and not what the citizens want done.

975
01:00:58,300 --> 01:01:05,540
 Okay, I'm going to circle back because we're getting off topic and yeah, and, and, and,

976
01:01:05,540 --> 01:01:10,180
 and we're missing the opportunity to thank you for an incredibly wonderful presentation.

977
01:01:10,180 --> 01:01:13,060
 Truly was fantastic.

978
01:01:13,060 --> 01:01:14,380
 Super interesting.

979
01:01:14,380 --> 01:01:19,180
 I hope we can continue focus on more urban design here in the city.

980
01:01:19,180 --> 01:01:24,820
 I think we have great opportunity to continue what we have at the square and to and to continue

981
01:01:24,820 --> 01:01:29,460
 to make that better here in my opinion.

982
01:01:29,460 --> 01:01:34,180
 Also with taking it back to this discussion that just was getting started, as my predecessor

983
01:01:34,180 --> 01:01:38,780
 used to say, we don't do enough planning.

984
01:01:38,780 --> 01:01:43,060
 And we need to do more planning because that is how we will make better decisions and how

985
01:01:43,060 --> 01:01:47,860
 things will come together, come together better.

986
01:01:47,860 --> 01:01:53,220
 And as we get citizen involvement in that planning, we will have less opposition things

987
01:01:53,220 --> 01:01:57,860
 can grow in a smoother way.

988
01:01:57,860 --> 01:02:02,460
 At any rate, thank you so much for all your hard work and that it was fantastic.

989
01:02:02,460 --> 01:02:07,220
 Mr. Ellis, if I could ask one question, going back to their last slide.

990
01:02:07,220 --> 01:02:11,660
 So Cameron and Julie talked about traveling and getting out and so we were having these

991
01:02:11,660 --> 01:02:15,900
 conversations internally in some previous communities I've worked in, I've taken the

992
01:02:15,900 --> 01:02:22,500
 planning and zoning commission on the road, typically within the DFW area, but taking

993
01:02:22,500 --> 01:02:26,620
 them out to see other types of development that's happening.

994
01:02:26,620 --> 01:02:30,420
 Looking at examples that may be transferable to our community.

995
01:02:30,420 --> 01:02:34,940
 But if that is something the commission is interested in doing and you're willing to

996
01:02:34,940 --> 01:02:40,700
 maybe allocate a day, it could be a weekday, it could be a Saturday, we can take a full

997
01:02:40,700 --> 01:02:43,980
 day, we can try and condense it down, but if that would be something that you are interested

998
01:02:43,980 --> 01:02:49,140
 in doing, I think there would be some interest on my team also in being able to venture out

999
01:02:49,140 --> 01:02:50,340
 and take you on the road.

1000
01:02:50,340 --> 01:02:54,740
 We could rent a bus and make sure we have a lunch stop and bathroom breaks along the

1001
01:02:54,740 --> 01:02:55,740
 way.

1002
01:02:55,740 --> 01:03:00,500
 So just seeing other developments that have occurred and what might be some lessons learned

1003
01:03:00,500 --> 01:03:02,940
 that can be transferred and applicable to Denton.

1004
01:03:02,940 --> 01:03:05,460
 Sign me up for that field trip.

1005
01:03:05,460 --> 01:03:06,460
 Okay.

1006
01:03:06,460 --> 01:03:07,460
 Okay.

1007
01:03:07,460 --> 01:03:08,460
 Awesome.

1008
01:03:08,460 --> 01:03:09,460
 Thank you.

1009
01:03:09,460 --> 01:03:10,460
 Okay.

1010
01:03:10,460 --> 01:03:15,860
 Next item on the agenda is clarification of agenda items for tonight.

1011
01:03:15,860 --> 01:03:18,340
 First would be the minutes for December 1st.

1012
01:03:18,340 --> 01:03:21,180
 Any discussion, questions, concerns on that?

1013
01:03:21,180 --> 01:03:22,180
 Commissioner Prut.

1014
01:03:22,180 --> 01:03:23,180
 Sorry.

1015
01:03:23,180 --> 01:03:24,180
 I jumped the gun.

1016
01:03:24,180 --> 01:03:25,180
 None.

1017
01:03:25,180 --> 01:03:26,180
 No?

1018
01:03:26,180 --> 01:03:29,180
 Okay.

1019
01:03:29,180 --> 01:03:31,020
 Next would be consent agenda.

1020
01:03:31,020 --> 01:03:32,580
 Any Commissioner Prut?

1021
01:03:32,580 --> 01:03:33,580
 Yeah.

1022
01:03:33,580 --> 01:03:37,760
 I just request that we pull item A so that I can recuse some family members nearby to

1023
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:38,760
 that plot.

1024
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:39,760
 Okay.

1025
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:57,540
 So we're going to pull 3A and move that to individual consideration.

1026
01:03:57,540 --> 01:03:59,860
 Anything else on consent agenda?

1027
01:03:59,860 --> 01:04:10,860
 Okay, how about 4A that is being recommended for denial?

1028
01:04:10,860 --> 01:04:13,860
 Any discussion on that?

1029
01:04:13,860 --> 01:04:15,660
 Okay.

1030
01:04:15,660 --> 01:04:18,140
 How about 4B?

1031
01:04:18,140 --> 01:04:22,620
 That has been revised from our original backup and everybody was emailed that.

1032
01:04:22,620 --> 01:04:24,220
 That is now recommended approval.

1033
01:04:24,220 --> 01:04:27,540
 Do we have any concerns, discussion on that?

1034
01:04:27,540 --> 01:04:34,540
 Okay, then 4C, that is recommended denial.

1035
01:04:34,540 --> 01:04:42,620
 Okay, and then our public hearing, if you did not see the email, the applicant has asked

1036
01:04:42,620 --> 01:04:47,700
 that we continue that public hearing into January, I believe January 12th.

1037
01:04:47,700 --> 01:04:49,700
 Is that correct?

1038
01:04:49,700 --> 01:04:50,700
 Yes, ma'am.

1039
01:04:50,700 --> 01:04:54,500
 So the plan will be to open the public hearing.

1040
01:04:54,500 --> 01:05:00,420
 We can see if there are public comments, since they don't know yet that we're being postponed.

1041
01:05:00,420 --> 01:05:04,860
 We will leave that item open to be heard again in January.

1042
01:05:04,860 --> 01:05:09,700
 Any discussion on that one?

1043
01:05:09,700 --> 01:05:11,180
 Concerns?

1044
01:05:11,180 --> 01:05:12,340
 Okay.

1045
01:05:12,340 --> 01:05:15,900
 Well with that, that will end our work session.

1046
01:05:15,900 --> 01:05:17,780
 I will close us at 6.09.

1047
01:05:17,780 --> 01:05:22,980
 We'll meet back here at 6.30.

1048
01:05:22,980 --> 01:05:26,660
 Good evening and welcome to the City of Denton's Planning and Zoning Commission meeting for

1049
01:05:26,660 --> 01:05:29,620
 Wednesday December 15th.

1050
01:05:29,620 --> 01:05:35,020
 With a quorum present, I will call us to order at 6.37 p.m.

1051
01:05:35,020 --> 01:05:39,340
 Let the record show that Commissioner Smith is absent this evening.

1052
01:05:39,340 --> 01:05:43,820
 First item on our agenda is the Pledge of Allegiance to the U.S. and Texas Flags.

1053
01:05:43,820 --> 01:05:53,580
 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for

1054
01:05:53,580 --> 01:06:00,020
 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

1055
01:06:00,020 --> 01:06:08,940
 On the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state, under God, one and

1056
01:06:08,940 --> 01:06:09,940
 indivisible.

1057
01:06:09,940 --> 01:06:17,780
 All right, our next item of business is consider the minutes for the planning and zoning meeting

1058
01:06:17,780 --> 01:06:19,180
 December 1st.

1059
01:06:19,180 --> 01:06:20,180
 Commissioner Villarreal.

1060
01:06:20,180 --> 01:06:24,420
 Move to approve the minutes from the last meeting.

1061
01:06:24,420 --> 01:06:25,420
 Commissioner Anderson.

1062
01:06:25,420 --> 01:06:26,420
 Second.

1063
01:06:26,420 --> 01:06:31,220
 We've got a first and a second for approval of the December 1st meeting.

1064
01:06:31,220 --> 01:06:32,220
 Any discussion?

1065
01:06:32,220 --> 01:06:33,220
 All right.

1066
01:06:33,220 --> 01:06:42,460
 Let's vote on the board, please.

1067
01:06:42,460 --> 01:06:44,420
 Motion carries 6-0.

1068
01:06:44,420 --> 01:06:47,020
 That will move us to our consent agenda.

1069
01:06:47,020 --> 01:06:53,980
 We are pulling item 3A from the consent agenda.

1070
01:06:53,980 --> 01:06:59,980
 And with that, the Chair can entertain a motion.

1071
01:06:59,980 --> 01:07:00,980
 Commissioner Anderson.

1072
01:07:00,980 --> 01:07:06,700
 I make a motion to pull the item from the consent agenda, or make a motion to approve

1073
01:07:06,700 --> 01:07:12,020
 the consent agenda with the item pulled.

1074
01:07:12,020 --> 01:07:13,020
 Commissioner Villarreal.

1075
01:07:13,020 --> 01:07:14,020
 And I second.

1076
01:07:14,020 --> 01:07:15,020
 Okay.

1077
01:07:15,020 --> 01:07:20,100
 We've got a first and a second to approve the consent agenda minus item 3A.

1078
01:07:20,100 --> 01:07:21,100
 Any discussion?

1079
01:07:21,100 --> 01:07:22,100
 Okay.

1080
01:07:22,100 --> 01:07:32,660
 Let's vote on the board, please.

1081
01:07:32,660 --> 01:07:34,740
 Motion carries 6-0.

1082
01:07:34,740 --> 01:07:37,220
 That will move us to items for individual consideration.

1083
01:07:37,220 --> 01:07:41,660
 The first item we will hear is the item that was pulled from consent.

1084
01:07:41,660 --> 01:07:54,460
 Commissioner Pruitt is recusing himself from that item, and that is FP21-0035A.

1085
01:07:54,460 --> 01:07:56,700
 Haley did you want to come up for that, please?

1086
01:07:56,700 --> 01:07:57,700
 Thank you.

1087
01:07:57,700 --> 01:07:58,700
 Happy to answer any questions.

1088
01:07:58,700 --> 01:08:05,700
 The plat is recommended for approval, but I can pull it up if there are any questions

1089
01:08:05,700 --> 01:08:06,700
 or discussion.

1090
01:08:06,700 --> 01:08:07,700
 Okay.

1091
01:08:07,700 --> 01:08:08,700
 Thank you, Haley.

1092
01:08:08,700 --> 01:08:09,700
 Is there any discussion on this item?

1093
01:08:09,700 --> 01:08:11,240
 I do not see any.

1094
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:12,780
 Thank you, Haley, for that.

1095
01:08:12,780 --> 01:08:13,780
 Commissioner Anderson.

1096
01:08:13,780 --> 01:08:15,740
 Make a motion to approve the plat.

1097
01:08:15,740 --> 01:08:16,740
 Commissioner Villarreal.

1098
01:08:16,740 --> 01:08:17,740
 Second.

1099
01:08:17,740 --> 01:08:25,940
 We've got a first and a second for approval of FP21-0035A.

1100
01:08:25,940 --> 01:08:35,180
 Let's vote on the board, please.

1101
01:08:35,180 --> 01:08:38,100
 That motion carries 5-0.

1102
01:08:38,100 --> 01:08:44,440
 Our next item for individual consideration is item 4A, MP21-0019.

1103
01:08:44,440 --> 01:08:48,700
 Hi, Ron.

1104
01:08:48,700 --> 01:08:51,380
 Good evening, Madam Chair, members of the commission.

1105
01:08:51,380 --> 01:08:57,740
 Pull up the presentation real quick.

1106
01:08:57,740 --> 01:09:04,260
 Do you all see that?

1107
01:09:04,260 --> 01:09:12,660
 This is a minor plat request for a property on the northwest corner of scripture connector.

1108
01:09:12,660 --> 01:09:16,260
 I'm not sure we see that at all.

1109
01:09:16,260 --> 01:09:19,620
 Oh, let me, sorry.

1110
01:09:19,620 --> 01:09:25,860
 Let me try one more time.

1111
01:09:25,860 --> 01:09:30,860
 There we go.

1112
01:09:30,860 --> 01:09:42,180
 Again, this is a minor plat application for a property on the northwest corner of scripture

1113
01:09:42,180 --> 01:09:43,860
 and Ector.

1114
01:09:43,860 --> 01:09:50,340
 It is for a reconstruction or construction of a church on this property.

1115
01:09:50,340 --> 01:09:57,580
 As of this afternoon, the applicant has not met all of the Denton Development Code requirements.

1116
01:09:57,580 --> 01:10:05,500
 They have already received an extension, a 30-day extension, therefore today it is being

1117
01:10:05,500 --> 01:10:11,140
 recommended for denial as they have not, again, met all the established criteria for an administratively

1118
01:10:11,140 --> 01:10:12,140
 approved plat.

1119
01:10:12,140 --> 01:10:14,340
 I'll stand for any questions.

1120
01:10:14,340 --> 01:10:15,340
 Thank you, Ron.

1121
01:10:15,340 --> 01:10:18,380
 I do not see any questions at this time.

1122
01:10:18,380 --> 01:10:19,900
 Thank you so much.

1123
01:10:19,900 --> 01:10:20,900
 Commissioner Villarreal.

1124
01:10:20,900 --> 01:10:21,900
 I move to deny the plat.

1125
01:10:21,900 --> 01:10:22,900
 Commissioner Pohl?

1126
01:10:22,900 --> 01:10:23,900
 Second.

1127
01:10:23,900 --> 01:10:27,660
 Okay, we've got a first and a second for denial of item 4A.

1128
01:10:27,660 --> 01:10:28,660
 Any discussion?

1129
01:10:28,660 --> 01:10:37,540
 Let's vote on the board, please.

1130
01:10:37,540 --> 01:10:43,340
 Motion carries 6-0, taking us to 4B, PPP 210031A.

1131
01:10:43,340 --> 01:10:46,380
 Hi, Julie.

1132
01:10:46,380 --> 01:10:50,140
 Good evening.

1133
01:10:50,140 --> 01:10:59,220
 I'm Julie Wyatt, senior planner with the City of Denton, and this is PPP 210031A.

1134
01:10:59,220 --> 01:11:06,860
 We originally, when the agenda posted, they had one more item to address, but they were

1135
01:11:06,860 --> 01:11:13,300
 able to get that corrected, and so where we were recommending denial when the agenda posted,

1136
01:11:13,300 --> 01:11:17,140
 we are now recommending approval, and I'll be happy to answer any questions.

1137
01:11:17,140 --> 01:11:18,140
 Thanks, Julie.

1138
01:11:18,140 --> 01:11:21,140
 Any other questions for Julie?

1139
01:11:21,140 --> 01:11:22,140
 I don't see any, Julie.

1140
01:11:22,140 --> 01:11:23,140
 Thank you.

1141
01:11:23,140 --> 01:11:24,140
 Commissioner Anderson?

1142
01:11:24,140 --> 01:11:26,420
 Making motion to approve.

1143
01:11:26,420 --> 01:11:27,420
 Commissioner Villarreal?

1144
01:11:27,420 --> 01:11:28,420
 Second.

1145
01:11:28,420 --> 01:11:32,340
 Got a first and a second for approval of item 4B.

1146
01:11:32,340 --> 01:11:35,140
 Any discussion there?

1147
01:11:35,140 --> 01:11:44,060
 Let's vote on the board, please.

1148
01:11:44,060 --> 01:11:45,500
 Motion carries 6-0.

1149
01:11:45,500 --> 01:11:55,060
 That will bring us to 4C, PPP 210029A, and that's Julie's item again.

1150
01:11:55,060 --> 01:11:59,420
 All right.

1151
01:11:59,420 --> 01:12:03,380
 So this is PPP 210029A.

1152
01:12:03,380 --> 01:12:08,620
 It is a preliminary plat for a mixed-density development.

1153
01:12:08,620 --> 01:12:10,500
 They still have some comments they need to address.

1154
01:12:10,500 --> 01:12:16,500
 They did receive an extension prior to, so staff is recommending denial of the plat.

1155
01:12:16,500 --> 01:12:19,460
 I'll be happy to answer any questions.

1156
01:12:19,460 --> 01:12:21,020
 Thank you, Julie.

1157
01:12:21,020 --> 01:12:23,420
 I do not see any questions.

1158
01:12:23,420 --> 01:12:24,420
 Commissioner Villarreal?

1159
01:12:24,420 --> 01:12:26,780
 Move to deny the plat.

1160
01:12:26,780 --> 01:12:27,780
 Commissioner Cole?

1161
01:12:27,780 --> 01:12:28,780
 Second.

1162
01:12:28,780 --> 01:12:31,220
 Got a first and a second to deny item 4C.

1163
01:12:31,220 --> 01:12:32,220
 Any discussion?

1164
01:12:32,220 --> 01:12:33,220
 All right.

1165
01:12:33,220 --> 01:12:42,620
 Let's vote on the board, please.

1166
01:12:42,620 --> 01:12:44,580
 Motion carries 6-0.

1167
01:12:44,580 --> 01:12:54,780
 That will take us to our public hearing item for this evening, 5A, which is PD 210004.

1168
01:12:54,780 --> 01:13:00,500
 I will go ahead and open the public hearing and also state that the applicant has requested

1169
01:13:00,500 --> 01:13:08,540
 that that public comment hearing be continued until January 12th.

1170
01:13:08,540 --> 01:13:14,460
 I will state that we have received 12 virtual comment cards at this time in opposition of

1171
01:13:14,460 --> 01:13:24,140
 this item, and I will check with Vanessa to see if there is anyone on the phone.

1172
01:13:24,140 --> 01:13:26,300
 We do not have any callers right now.

1173
01:13:26,300 --> 01:13:27,300
 Okay.

1174
01:13:27,300 --> 01:13:29,580
 Thank you.

1175
01:13:29,580 --> 01:13:30,580
 Anyone in the audience?

1176
01:13:30,580 --> 01:13:35,580
 We're not going to discuss the item in detail, but if you are here to speak on this item,

1177
01:13:35,580 --> 01:13:40,180
 you can speak this evening if you would like to.

1178
01:13:40,180 --> 01:13:42,380
 Okay.

1179
01:13:42,380 --> 01:13:45,220
 I do not see any.

1180
01:13:45,220 --> 01:13:50,900
 The Chair will entertain a motion to continue this item as requested by the applicant.

1181
01:13:50,900 --> 01:13:51,900
 Commissioner Villarreal?

1182
01:13:51,900 --> 01:13:56,300
 I move to continue this item until January 15th, correct?

1183
01:13:56,300 --> 01:13:58,500
 January 12th, I believe, was it requested?

1184
01:13:58,500 --> 01:13:59,500
 Yes.

1185
01:13:59,500 --> 01:14:00,500
 It was requested.

1186
01:14:00,500 --> 01:14:01,500
 Commissioner Cold?

1187
01:14:01,500 --> 01:14:02,500
 Second.

1188
01:14:02,500 --> 01:14:03,500
 Okay.

1189
01:14:03,500 --> 01:14:08,620
 We have a first and a second to continue this public hearing item to a date certain

1190
01:14:08,620 --> 01:14:10,860
 of January 12th.

1191
01:14:10,860 --> 01:14:16,960
 Any discussion?

1192
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:25,020
 Seeing none, let's vote on the board, please.

1193
01:14:25,020 --> 01:14:27,460
 Motion carries 6-0.

1194
01:14:27,460 --> 01:14:33,020
 That will take us to agenda item 6, our planning and zoning commission matrix, and I will turn

1195
01:14:33,020 --> 01:14:34,020
 it over to Tina.

1196
01:14:34,020 --> 01:14:35,020
 Thank you, Chairman Ellis.

1197
01:14:35,020 --> 01:14:39,220
 Just a few items to update the planning and zoning commission on.

1198
01:14:39,220 --> 01:14:46,020
 So, yesterday afternoon, evening, the criteria manuals were all approved, and thank you all

1199
01:14:46,020 --> 01:14:51,540
 for your input related to those, all four of those, council was able to approve yesterday

1200
01:14:51,540 --> 01:14:52,540
 evening.

1201
01:14:52,540 --> 01:14:57,220
 Also, we gave a presentation regarding the purpose of the conference of plan and all

1202
01:14:57,220 --> 01:15:00,900
 the components associated with the conference of plan and discussed next steps as we move

1203
01:15:00,900 --> 01:15:05,540
 into the adoption phase for the Denton 2040 plan update.

1204
01:15:05,540 --> 01:15:09,300
 With that discussion was discussion about having some work session meetings both with

1205
01:15:09,300 --> 01:15:13,100
 the planning and zoning commission and city council, so Selena will likely be reaching

1206
01:15:13,100 --> 01:15:16,900
 out to you, letting you know when those dates are.

1207
01:15:16,900 --> 01:15:22,620
 What we're proposing is doing a work session discussion with the commission in February,

1208
01:15:22,620 --> 01:15:26,420
 and it would be like from 10 to 2, in which we would provide lunch for you to have that

1209
01:15:26,420 --> 01:15:28,100
 discussion.

1210
01:15:28,100 --> 01:15:32,820
 This is after a presentation that we intend to share with the commission on January 12.

1211
01:15:32,820 --> 01:15:36,140
 So just some items that are on your radar for the future.

1212
01:15:36,140 --> 01:15:39,260
 Also I had to think back to some of the zoning cases we've had recently because we haven't

1213
01:15:39,260 --> 01:15:43,180
 had anything on council's agenda in a while, but the Harris track, the rezoning request

1214
01:15:43,180 --> 01:15:49,060
 to light industrial was approved on that property, and that occurred I believe right before Thanksgiving.

1215
01:15:49,060 --> 01:15:57,020
 And then also we had a rezoning request of a lot from rural residential to our ones are

1216
01:15:57,020 --> 01:15:58,020
 one or two.

1217
01:15:58,020 --> 01:15:59,020
 One.

1218
01:15:59,020 --> 01:16:00,020
 Okay, our one zoning district, thank you.

1219
01:16:00,020 --> 01:16:04,100
 That's why I have a great team to help me out on this, but requested reason to our one.

1220
01:16:04,100 --> 01:16:08,780
 This property was on Miller road just east of mosh branch road, and so therefore that

1221
01:16:08,780 --> 01:16:13,580
 request was approved, but other than that, that's all I have for updates.

1222
01:16:13,580 --> 01:16:19,980
 Thank you, Tina will invite anything on to the matrix, Commissioner mcday.

1223
01:16:19,980 --> 01:16:21,940
 Thank you, chair.

1224
01:16:21,940 --> 01:16:28,740
 I'm curious to see if we in the near future we can have a work session on just parking,

1225
01:16:28,740 --> 01:16:32,460
 whether it be commercial and residential if that's possible.

1226
01:16:32,460 --> 01:16:36,740
 There's a lot of questions that I have that I didn't want to bring up in the work session

1227
01:16:36,740 --> 01:16:41,660
 because we'd be here all night, but there's a lot of questions that I'm concerned about

1228
01:16:41,660 --> 01:16:45,580
 parkings made more or less residential residential commercial.

1229
01:16:45,580 --> 01:16:51,500
 Okay, happy to add that to the matrix and then maybe if we can follow up with you one

1230
01:16:51,500 --> 01:16:54,820
 on one just to make sure we understand if there's anything particular you're wanting

1231
01:16:54,820 --> 01:16:55,820
 us to cover.

1232
01:16:55,820 --> 01:16:56,820
 All right.

1233
01:16:56,820 --> 01:16:57,820
 Thank you.

1234
01:16:57,820 --> 01:16:58,820
 Thank you.

1235
01:16:58,820 --> 01:17:01,900
 Anything else for the matrix?

1236
01:17:01,900 --> 01:17:04,280
 Any concluding items?

1237
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:11,820
 Well, I will just say happy holidays to everyone since I believe this is our last meeting for

1238
01:17:11,820 --> 01:17:13,940
 this year.

1239
01:17:13,940 --> 01:17:17,420
 And I will go ahead and adjourn us at 649 PM.

1240
01:17:17,420 --> 01:17:17,620
 Thank you.