WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:15.980 Thank you. 2021 The time is 5 58 PM. We have a quorum, so I'd like to call this meeting 00:00:15.980 --> 00:00:20.280 to order and the first item of business is the pledge to both the U. S. And the Texas 00:00:20.280 --> 00:00:32.480 flag. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic 00:00:32.480 --> 00:00:53.160 for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:53.160 --> 00:01:08.080 One state under God, one indivisible. The second item is to consider the approval of 00:01:08.080 --> 00:01:14.720 the minutes from May 24th. I guess I just had a quick question. This is only because 00:01:14.720 --> 00:01:21.760 this particular case was two meetings and we met like six months ago and I only see 00:01:21.760 --> 00:01:28.040 the meetings from the 24th. Was there a reason that we didn't get the other minutes? I it's 00:01:28.040 --> 00:01:33.840 been a while and I believe that it may have been considered at the second meeting where 00:01:33.840 --> 00:01:40.520 we had the meeting minutes and I could be wrong. But if the board would like to hold 00:01:40.520 --> 00:01:45.200 off on on considering the minutes until we get the other minutes to clarify that we can 00:01:45.200 --> 00:01:50.440 do that as well. So I don't think we I don't know. Did we already approve these minutes 00:01:50.440 --> 00:01:55.600 because this last this looks like this is the minutes from the very part one. Was it 00:01:55.600 --> 00:02:00.280 okay? Okay. Yeah, because line 14 on the second page said board members stated they will deliberate 00:02:00.280 --> 00:02:03.520 and vote on the item in the next scheduled meeting. That's really where the good stuff 00:02:03.520 --> 00:02:07.280 happens. So I'm kind of wondering where those where those minutes were. Gotcha. So since 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:14.840 obviously there is the second meeting, we need to make sure those minutes are also considered. 00:02:14.840 --> 00:02:18.480 So if you want to you want to approve this, we can or if you want to wait till you get 00:02:18.480 --> 00:02:22.360 the second meeting, which I don't think this has any relationship, but that second 00:02:22.360 --> 00:02:30.240 meeting minutes will be at our next board meeting. Okay. Yes. Which is fine, but we 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:38.360 meet rather infrequently. Correct. I do apologize. I just don't recall. I don't remember one 00:02:38.360 --> 00:02:44.360 if we we we should have it in the back up for this meeting. Yeah. Agreed. But I I don't 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:50.920 see any issues with these minutes. Are there any corrections or questions about these minutes 00:02:50.920 --> 00:02:59.160 from the May 24th 2021? So actually, I wanted to mention so thank you for your motion. But 00:02:59.160 --> 00:03:03.800 I remember from the Robert's Rules of Orders video that we watch that if there is no questions 00:03:03.800 --> 00:03:09.640 or corrections, we can just move we can be passed by unanimous consent. So are there 00:03:09.640 --> 00:03:24.280 any are there any changes or concerns? So seeing no questions or concerns, we're going to approve 00:03:24.280 --> 00:03:29.560 the minutes by unanimous consents. Okay. Yeah. Cool. Thanks. Sounds good. All right. Moving 00:03:29.560 --> 00:03:35.880 on. I learned a thing. Okay. The next part is to hold a discussion and provide clarification 00:03:35.880 --> 00:03:41.000 regarding Robert's Rules of Orders. So we all saw the we should have received that link 00:03:41.000 --> 00:03:48.880 that Ron had sent out in our email to watch that presentation from a few years back. So 00:03:48.880 --> 00:03:54.200 we watched it and I learned a thing just now and now we have a presentation. So go ahead. 00:03:54.200 --> 00:03:59.960 So just again, one the opportunity if you had any clarification or further questions 00:03:59.960 --> 00:04:08.300 on the Robert's Rule, we want to be able to answer them as part of the agenda. If not, 00:04:08.300 --> 00:04:15.560 you know, we can move on to the next item. But the idea was for you to watch the presentation. 00:04:15.560 --> 00:04:19.600 And then obviously, it's a long presentation. So we just wanted to make sure that you can 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:24.000 watch it on time that you have. And then I know there's some members that have already 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:30.280 seen it. So kind of save people, you know, that that, you know, time to watch it. So 00:04:30.280 --> 00:04:35.960 does anybody have any questions on the Robert's Rule presentation? And again, we don't meet 00:04:35.960 --> 00:04:41.960 us frequently. But those are the rules that we need to follow when when proceeding with 00:04:41.960 --> 00:04:47.400 some other items that we will be looking or hearing in the near future. I just want to 00:04:47.400 --> 00:04:53.400 make a comment that one of the things that I I know that I'm guilty of is starting deliberation 00:04:53.400 --> 00:05:00.720 or Yeah, starting deliberation before a motion has been made. And I thought that the parliamentarian 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:03.320 who made that presentation made a good point. It's like, we don't quite know what we're 00:05:03.320 --> 00:05:08.760 debating until a motion has been made in the first place. And so I know I'm guilty of that. 00:05:08.760 --> 00:05:13.640 And I I know many we all we're all smart individuals. Otherwise, we wouldn't be here. Right. So 00:05:13.640 --> 00:05:17.440 we all have big ideas and thoughts on this stuff, too. So I'm going to try and do a better 00:05:17.440 --> 00:05:23.200 job as a chair of like waiting for us to debate until we actually have a motion. So hold me 00:05:23.200 --> 00:05:26.040 accountable to that, because I think it is going to speed up the meetings, too, and just 00:05:26.040 --> 00:05:31.480 make it make us a more effective body because we know exactly what it is we're debating. 00:05:31.480 --> 00:05:39.600 But that was the thing I wrote down. Okay. Yeah, that's great. I do have a question then. 00:05:39.600 --> 00:05:45.760 Oftentimes in Robert's Rules meetings, Robert's Rules led meetings, there will be discussion 00:05:45.760 --> 00:05:54.120 point a motion to continue a discussion point or to hold a discussion before make before 00:05:54.120 --> 00:06:02.200 motions are entertained. So should someone wish to do that regarding an issue and not, 00:06:02.200 --> 00:06:07.400 you know, where there may be a greater desire to discuss it in full before entertaining 00:06:07.400 --> 00:06:16.120 a motion that's just privilege, I suppose. I actually might be able to help with that. 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:19.480 My name is Hillary. I'm with the city attorney's office. Great. So what that's going to relate 00:06:19.480 --> 00:06:24.840 to is making sure that our discussions are also focused on what is posted on the agenda. 00:06:24.840 --> 00:06:33.600 Right. So we might have a setback variance that before us to consider, and we need to 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:39.220 keep our discussion focused to that variance. While we may want to be discussing the policy 00:06:39.220 --> 00:06:46.760 implications of reducing the setback for the whole city, that that is a little bit beyond 00:06:46.760 --> 00:06:51.440 the scope of what we're seeking to discuss. So we would want to be focused on the case 00:06:51.440 --> 00:07:00.080 that issued in our discussions. Did that answer the question? Yes. Excellent. You know, I 00:07:00.080 --> 00:07:05.800 just just add to that. I think what you're also, I think, alluding to is, you know, Amber 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:10.560 touched on it a little bit. You know, the presentation usually comes, you know, there 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:16.440 is a presentation with the cases and then you as the board have the opportunity to ask 00:07:16.440 --> 00:07:24.800 questions of staff and of the applicant. And then, of course, the motion, as you know, 00:07:24.800 --> 00:07:29.560 the chair mentioned, should come next and then discussion after. So then you can discuss 00:07:29.560 --> 00:07:34.200 amongst yourself. And so that's usually the process. Right. So there's room for discussion 00:07:34.200 --> 00:07:42.440 of the presentation, then motion, then debate, then debate. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very cool. 00:07:42.440 --> 00:07:48.440 Cool. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. I'm here for the other item. If you. Oh, also, okay. As 00:07:48.440 --> 00:07:53.960 long as you're there. The next item then is to talk about the calendar receiver report 00:07:53.960 --> 00:08:00.020 and hold a discussion regarding the 2022 Zoning Board of Adjustment meeting schedule. So, yeah, 00:08:00.020 --> 00:08:05.000 so I wanted to pull this up. I know you don't have it. Maybe have seen it on in the backup 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:12.880 when you guys first look when you first got the agenda and back up. But I'm going to share 00:08:12.880 --> 00:08:19.680 it on the screen. And I apologize if it's hard to see. Essentially, what we're proposing 00:08:19.680 --> 00:08:26.140 is having the Zoning Board of Adjustments are typically on the last Monday of each month. 00:08:26.140 --> 00:08:32.120 And you can see they pretty much follow that unless there's a holiday. So I believe May 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:40.600 has a holiday. And I'm scrolling down as I'm looking at this. And we have November with 00:08:40.600 --> 00:08:46.720 questions. So we want to ask the board, what's your preference? Do you want it after Thanksgiving 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:54.000 or before Thanksgiving? Hopefully, you know, it could be even a week before Thanksgiving. 00:08:54.000 --> 00:09:00.320 And then, of course, we have the Christmas holiday or on December. The Monday is usually 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:07.040 that it's for it's closed for Christmas Eve and Christmas Day because Christmas on a Sunday. 00:09:07.040 --> 00:09:13.680 But really, your thoughts on the dates and then for November, what are your preference? 00:09:13.680 --> 00:09:19.280 And then we can, you know, what we would like to get is direction from the board. And then 00:09:19.280 --> 00:09:26.720 we can we can make sure that we implement these dates moving forward. 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:35.440 Okay, go ahead. Okay, my question is for two things. The October meeting is currently scheduled 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:41.120 for the 31st, which would actually be the fifth Monday, which is the last Monday of 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:49.400 the month. But it's Halloween. Yes, that's true. That is so we might want to consider 00:09:49.400 --> 00:09:57.840 moving that and quite frankly, the 28th of November is fine. I don't know if schools 00:09:57.840 --> 00:10:02.240 because I don't have any school age children, but if schools are out for that whole week 00:10:02.240 --> 00:10:08.760 and people take that whole week off. So it might be best to keep it on the 28th. Right. 00:10:08.760 --> 00:10:15.680 I was gonna say, yeah, the typically schools are out the week of Thanksgiving. So the 21st, 00:10:15.680 --> 00:10:20.080 you know, families may be traveling. Agreed with Halloween. My kids are only little for 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:25.040 another minute. Yeah, so that's a great opportunity. I'm gonna just say I cannot make the October 00:10:25.040 --> 00:10:35.640 31st meeting. And then regarding Christmas, typically school is out. Isn't it out usually 00:10:35.640 --> 00:10:40.960 that week of the 18th as well. So again, that may be difficult for people who travel out 00:10:40.960 --> 00:10:47.280 of town. We may consider I would I would I would request meeting if we did meet in December 00:10:47.280 --> 00:10:51.680 to meet on the 12th, which I know is only two weeks between the 28th and the 12th. But 00:10:51.680 --> 00:10:55.000 then that way we could still that's fine. I mean, we still want to give options. And 00:10:55.000 --> 00:11:01.400 so again, these meeting dates are what we will shoot for. However, you know, there be 00:11:01.400 --> 00:11:06.440 some instances where if there is a need for a special call, we just need to meet the posting 00:11:06.440 --> 00:11:11.160 requirements of 72 hours. But these are the target dates that we would like to have direction 00:11:11.160 --> 00:11:15.360 on. Yeah, I was just gonna say for the last couple of years, we've moved to the November 00:11:15.360 --> 00:11:21.560 meeting early, even though it was posted later. So just so that people know that's likely. 00:11:21.560 --> 00:11:29.640 So yeah, we can move the November to the 14th. And then the December to the 12th. So that 00:11:29.640 --> 00:11:34.300 I don't know if that would conflict with some of the HLC. But HLC is meeting right now. 00:11:34.300 --> 00:11:40.520 So it just depends on, you know, where are they meet? But we can certainly accommodate 00:11:40.520 --> 00:11:44.880 since we have that option. Yeah. And Jennifer, that might make more sense too. If we do move 00:11:44.880 --> 00:11:50.160 October up one week, yes, three weeks later, and then four weeks later, instead of perfect. 00:11:50.160 --> 00:12:01.840 So October 24, November 14, December 12. Does that work for the board? Okay. Cool. All right. 00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:07.720 All right. So that's the direction we will amend the calendar, and then send that out 00:12:07.720 --> 00:12:16.440 to the whole board. And then start, you know, on that. As far as the meeting next month, 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:23.440 we will keep you posted. Right now we do not have one confirmed. But we definitely have 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:29.880 another potential meeting in December. But again, at this moment, we don't have anything 00:12:29.880 --> 00:12:41.180 scheduled. Okay. Great. Thank you. You're welcome. The last one is just concluding items. 00:12:41.180 --> 00:12:47.320 And so I think since we have some newbies up here, it might be nice to introduce ourselves 00:12:47.320 --> 00:12:52.000 to each other. And so I don't know, Jennifer, you want to start at the end? Just maybe introduce 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:59.680 yourself and how long you've been on ZBA and one interesting thing about you. Is that okay? 00:12:59.680 --> 00:13:05.920 Sure. Yeah. I've been, my name is Jennifer Lane, and I've been on ZBA now three years, 00:13:05.920 --> 00:13:10.800 I think, two years, first as an alternate appointed by Sarah Begheri and then as a member 00:13:10.800 --> 00:13:18.800 appointed by Debra Armitter. And one interesting thing about myself is that I'm an opera singer. 00:13:18.800 --> 00:13:28.760 Black profession. I think an Emmy nominated opera singer. Jennifer's like, oh, it's fine. 00:13:28.760 --> 00:13:34.880 Hello, my name is Candy Harris. I've been a ZBA member, if you count from the time I 00:13:34.880 --> 00:13:40.440 took my oath, about three whole months. My very first meeting, so happy to be here. Thanks 00:13:40.440 --> 00:13:48.960 for having me. A member appointed by Paul Meltzler. And interesting thing about me, 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:56.600 I am a mom of four boys. So that's as interesting as it gets in my life right now. Every day 00:13:56.600 --> 00:14:04.160 and every way. Yes. Nice to meet everybody. Do you want to introduce yourself, Ron? I 00:14:04.160 --> 00:14:09.960 will do that. My name is Ron Magida, principal planner with the city and the staff liaison 00:14:09.960 --> 00:14:15.440 along with Hillary on the Zoning Board of Adjustment. I've been with the city going 00:14:15.440 --> 00:14:22.080 on 16 years. So I've seen a lot, but obviously there's so much more to do and I appreciate 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:30.800 you guys being here. My name is Amber Briggle. I'm the chair. I've been on ZBA four or five 00:14:30.800 --> 00:14:39.920 years, I want to say. And one interesting thing about me is I was born in Fargo and 00:14:39.920 --> 00:14:43.160 I don't think I've met any other person on the planet who was born in Fargo, but I'm 00:14:43.160 --> 00:14:53.540 sure there are people who are born there every day. And yes, I've seen the movie. My name 00:14:53.540 --> 00:14:58.440 is Hillary. I'm with the city attorney's office. I'm your staff liaison. I've been with the 00:14:58.440 --> 00:15:04.520 city six months. So learning, learning, learning. I guess one interesting thing about me would 00:15:04.520 --> 00:15:11.960 be that I make chain mail for fun. Cool. That is very cool. 00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:21.640 And I'm Michael Redwine. I am two years under the board of starting my third, appointed 00:15:21.640 --> 00:15:29.360 by Gerard. What's interesting about me, I do like endurance sports. So I do running, 00:15:29.360 --> 00:15:37.600 biking. I tried an Ironman. We'll do another one. The swimming just gets to me. 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:46.960 Good evening, everyone. My name is Lauren Fisher. This is my first ZBA meeting. It's 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:53.080 nice to meet everyone. I guess something interesting about me is we have been in Denton for a little 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:58.120 over two years now. And in the three years before that, we lived in 10 different cities 00:15:58.120 --> 00:16:02.880 across the United States. So we bounced around a lot, but we bought our first home and are 00:16:02.880 --> 00:16:07.200 making Denton kind of our place to settle for a while. So I'm excited to help you guys 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:14.600 shape the development as it goes forward. That's very nice to meet you. My name is Kate 00:16:14.600 --> 00:16:22.520 Linus. And I have been on the ZBA just under whatever Jennifer's years are. So if you were 00:16:22.520 --> 00:16:28.240 three years, I'm like three or two and three quarters or something. And I started off as 00:16:28.240 --> 00:16:36.040 an alternate. And Keely appointed me and then Connie Baker and now Brian. So I just keep 00:16:36.040 --> 00:16:41.600 staying in it because apparently nobody is on this board. But look, we've got some wonderful 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:48.560 new faces. Interesting thing about me, this is the second time I've lived in Denton. I've 00:16:48.560 --> 00:16:56.520 been here since 2008 this time. And I went to grad school here in the nineties. And then 00:16:56.520 --> 00:17:00.440 before that I lived in Fort Worth. So we used to come up to Denton all the time. Denton's 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:06.720 a great town. So that's it. I don't know if Brandon, Brandon, I don't know if you can 00:17:06.720 --> 00:17:10.680 hear us. Do you want to introduce yourself to take yourself off of mute? Can you hear 00:17:10.680 --> 00:17:15.120 me okay? Yeah, we can hear you. All right. Thank you, Madam Chair. Hey, everybody. My 00:17:15.120 --> 00:17:20.720 name is Brandon Chase McGee. This is my very first meeting, so happy to join you all. Interesting 00:17:20.720 --> 00:17:25.400 fact about me, my partner and I have been on a mission for about a year to find the 00:17:25.400 --> 00:17:35.560 very best burger in DFW. I'm a homer. I really love the seasonal burger at Greenhouse. But 00:17:35.560 --> 00:17:43.120 I am open to any suggestions if there is a better burger in DFW. So please help me. I 00:17:43.120 --> 00:17:49.400 can support that mission, Brandon. That's great. Cool beans. Is that all we got? That's 00:17:49.400 --> 00:17:55.920 all I see on the agenda. So thank you, everyone, for your time. The time now is 6.16 p.m., 00:17:55.920 --> 00:18:00.720 and I'm going to adjourn the meeting, and we'll see you all next time. Thank you.