1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:15,980 Thank you. 2021 The time is 5 58 PM. We have a quorum, so I'd like to call this meeting 2 00:00:15,980 --> 00:00:20,280 to order and the first item of business is the pledge to both the U. S. And the Texas 3 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:32,480 flag. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic 4 00:00:32,480 --> 00:00:53,160 for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 5 00:00:53,160 --> 00:01:08,080 One state under God, one indivisible. The second item is to consider the approval of 6 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:14,720 the minutes from May 24th. I guess I just had a quick question. This is only because 7 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:21,760 this particular case was two meetings and we met like six months ago and I only see 8 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:28,040 the meetings from the 24th. Was there a reason that we didn't get the other minutes? I it's 9 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:33,840 been a while and I believe that it may have been considered at the second meeting where 10 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:40,520 we had the meeting minutes and I could be wrong. But if the board would like to hold 11 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:45,200 off on on considering the minutes until we get the other minutes to clarify that we can 12 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:50,440 do that as well. So I don't think we I don't know. Did we already approve these minutes 13 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:55,600 because this last this looks like this is the minutes from the very part one. Was it 14 00:01:55,600 --> 00:02:00,280 okay? Okay. Yeah, because line 14 on the second page said board members stated they will deliberate 15 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,520 and vote on the item in the next scheduled meeting. That's really where the good stuff 16 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,280 happens. So I'm kind of wondering where those where those minutes were. Gotcha. So since 17 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:14,840 obviously there is the second meeting, we need to make sure those minutes are also considered. 18 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,480 So if you want to you want to approve this, we can or if you want to wait till you get 19 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:22,360 the second meeting, which I don't think this has any relationship, but that second 20 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:30,240 meeting minutes will be at our next board meeting. Okay. Yes. Which is fine, but we 21 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:38,360 meet rather infrequently. Correct. I do apologize. I just don't recall. I don't remember one 22 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:44,360 if we we we should have it in the back up for this meeting. Yeah. Agreed. But I I don't 23 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:50,920 see any issues with these minutes. Are there any corrections or questions about these minutes 24 00:02:50,920 --> 00:02:59,160 from the May 24th 2021? So actually, I wanted to mention so thank you for your motion. But 25 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:03,800 I remember from the Robert's Rules of Orders video that we watch that if there is no questions 26 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:09,640 or corrections, we can just move we can be passed by unanimous consent. So are there 27 00:03:09,640 --> 00:03:24,280 any are there any changes or concerns? So seeing no questions or concerns, we're going to approve 28 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:29,560 the minutes by unanimous consents. Okay. Yeah. Cool. Thanks. Sounds good. All right. Moving 29 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:35,880 on. I learned a thing. Okay. The next part is to hold a discussion and provide clarification 30 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:41,000 regarding Robert's Rules of Orders. So we all saw the we should have received that link 31 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:48,880 that Ron had sent out in our email to watch that presentation from a few years back. So 32 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:54,200 we watched it and I learned a thing just now and now we have a presentation. So go ahead. 33 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:59,960 So just again, one the opportunity if you had any clarification or further questions 34 00:03:59,960 --> 00:04:08,300 on the Robert's Rule, we want to be able to answer them as part of the agenda. If not, 35 00:04:08,300 --> 00:04:15,560 you know, we can move on to the next item. But the idea was for you to watch the presentation. 36 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:19,600 And then obviously, it's a long presentation. So we just wanted to make sure that you can 37 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:24,000 watch it on time that you have. And then I know there's some members that have already 38 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:30,280 seen it. So kind of save people, you know, that that, you know, time to watch it. So 39 00:04:30,280 --> 00:04:35,960 does anybody have any questions on the Robert's Rule presentation? And again, we don't meet 40 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:41,960 us frequently. But those are the rules that we need to follow when when proceeding with 41 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:47,400 some other items that we will be looking or hearing in the near future. I just want to 42 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:53,400 make a comment that one of the things that I I know that I'm guilty of is starting deliberation 43 00:04:53,400 --> 00:05:00,720 or Yeah, starting deliberation before a motion has been made. And I thought that the parliamentarian 44 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,320 who made that presentation made a good point. It's like, we don't quite know what we're 45 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:08,760 debating until a motion has been made in the first place. And so I know I'm guilty of that. 46 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:13,640 And I I know many we all we're all smart individuals. Otherwise, we wouldn't be here. Right. So 47 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:17,440 we all have big ideas and thoughts on this stuff, too. So I'm going to try and do a better 48 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:23,200 job as a chair of like waiting for us to debate until we actually have a motion. So hold me 49 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,040 accountable to that, because I think it is going to speed up the meetings, too, and just 50 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:31,480 make it make us a more effective body because we know exactly what it is we're debating. 51 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:39,600 But that was the thing I wrote down. Okay. Yeah, that's great. I do have a question then. 52 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:45,760 Oftentimes in Robert's Rules meetings, Robert's Rules led meetings, there will be discussion 53 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:54,120 point a motion to continue a discussion point or to hold a discussion before make before 54 00:05:54,120 --> 00:06:02,200 motions are entertained. So should someone wish to do that regarding an issue and not, 55 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:07,400 you know, where there may be a greater desire to discuss it in full before entertaining 56 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:16,120 a motion that's just privilege, I suppose. I actually might be able to help with that. 57 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,480 My name is Hillary. I'm with the city attorney's office. Great. So what that's going to relate 58 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:24,840 to is making sure that our discussions are also focused on what is posted on the agenda. 59 00:06:24,840 --> 00:06:33,600 Right. So we might have a setback variance that before us to consider, and we need to 60 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:39,220 keep our discussion focused to that variance. While we may want to be discussing the policy 61 00:06:39,220 --> 00:06:46,760 implications of reducing the setback for the whole city, that that is a little bit beyond 62 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:51,440 the scope of what we're seeking to discuss. So we would want to be focused on the case 63 00:06:51,440 --> 00:07:00,080 that issued in our discussions. Did that answer the question? Yes. Excellent. You know, I 64 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:05,800 just just add to that. I think what you're also, I think, alluding to is, you know, Amber 65 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:10,560 touched on it a little bit. You know, the presentation usually comes, you know, there 66 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:16,440 is a presentation with the cases and then you as the board have the opportunity to ask 67 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:24,800 questions of staff and of the applicant. And then, of course, the motion, as you know, 68 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:29,560 the chair mentioned, should come next and then discussion after. So then you can discuss 69 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:34,200 amongst yourself. And so that's usually the process. Right. So there's room for discussion 70 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:42,440 of the presentation, then motion, then debate, then debate. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very cool. 71 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:48,440 Cool. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. I'm here for the other item. If you. Oh, also, okay. As 72 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:53,960 long as you're there. The next item then is to talk about the calendar receiver report 73 00:07:53,960 --> 00:08:00,020 and hold a discussion regarding the 2022 Zoning Board of Adjustment meeting schedule. So, yeah, 74 00:08:00,020 --> 00:08:05,000 so I wanted to pull this up. I know you don't have it. Maybe have seen it on in the backup 75 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:12,880 when you guys first look when you first got the agenda and back up. But I'm going to share 76 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:19,680 it on the screen. And I apologize if it's hard to see. Essentially, what we're proposing 77 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:26,140 is having the Zoning Board of Adjustments are typically on the last Monday of each month. 78 00:08:26,140 --> 00:08:32,120 And you can see they pretty much follow that unless there's a holiday. So I believe May 79 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:40,600 has a holiday. And I'm scrolling down as I'm looking at this. And we have November with 80 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:46,720 questions. So we want to ask the board, what's your preference? Do you want it after Thanksgiving 81 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:54,000 or before Thanksgiving? Hopefully, you know, it could be even a week before Thanksgiving. 82 00:08:54,000 --> 00:09:00,320 And then, of course, we have the Christmas holiday or on December. The Monday is usually 83 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:07,040 that it's for it's closed for Christmas Eve and Christmas Day because Christmas on a Sunday. 84 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:13,680 But really, your thoughts on the dates and then for November, what are your preference? 85 00:09:13,680 --> 00:09:19,280 And then we can, you know, what we would like to get is direction from the board. And then 86 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:26,720 we can we can make sure that we implement these dates moving forward. 87 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:35,440 Okay, go ahead. Okay, my question is for two things. The October meeting is currently scheduled 88 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:41,120 for the 31st, which would actually be the fifth Monday, which is the last Monday of 89 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:49,400 the month. But it's Halloween. Yes, that's true. That is so we might want to consider 90 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:57,840 moving that and quite frankly, the 28th of November is fine. I don't know if schools 91 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:02,240 because I don't have any school age children, but if schools are out for that whole week 92 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:08,760 and people take that whole week off. So it might be best to keep it on the 28th. Right. 93 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:15,680 I was gonna say, yeah, the typically schools are out the week of Thanksgiving. So the 21st, 94 00:10:15,680 --> 00:10:20,080 you know, families may be traveling. Agreed with Halloween. My kids are only little for 95 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:25,040 another minute. Yeah, so that's a great opportunity. I'm gonna just say I cannot make the October 96 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:35,640 31st meeting. And then regarding Christmas, typically school is out. Isn't it out usually 97 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:40,960 that week of the 18th as well. So again, that may be difficult for people who travel out 98 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:47,280 of town. We may consider I would I would I would request meeting if we did meet in December 99 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:51,680 to meet on the 12th, which I know is only two weeks between the 28th and the 12th. But 100 00:10:51,680 --> 00:10:55,000 then that way we could still that's fine. I mean, we still want to give options. And 101 00:10:55,000 --> 00:11:01,400 so again, these meeting dates are what we will shoot for. However, you know, there be 102 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:06,440 some instances where if there is a need for a special call, we just need to meet the posting 103 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:11,160 requirements of 72 hours. But these are the target dates that we would like to have direction 104 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:15,360 on. Yeah, I was just gonna say for the last couple of years, we've moved to the November 105 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:21,560 meeting early, even though it was posted later. So just so that people know that's likely. 106 00:11:21,560 --> 00:11:29,640 So yeah, we can move the November to the 14th. And then the December to the 12th. So that 107 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:34,300 I don't know if that would conflict with some of the HLC. But HLC is meeting right now. 108 00:11:34,300 --> 00:11:40,520 So it just depends on, you know, where are they meet? But we can certainly accommodate 109 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:44,880 since we have that option. Yeah. And Jennifer, that might make more sense too. If we do move 110 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:50,160 October up one week, yes, three weeks later, and then four weeks later, instead of perfect. 111 00:11:50,160 --> 00:12:01,840 So October 24, November 14, December 12. Does that work for the board? Okay. Cool. All right. 112 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:07,720 All right. So that's the direction we will amend the calendar, and then send that out 113 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:16,440 to the whole board. And then start, you know, on that. As far as the meeting next month, 114 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:23,440 we will keep you posted. Right now we do not have one confirmed. But we definitely have 115 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:29,880 another potential meeting in December. But again, at this moment, we don't have anything 116 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:41,180 scheduled. Okay. Great. Thank you. You're welcome. The last one is just concluding items. 117 00:12:41,180 --> 00:12:47,320 And so I think since we have some newbies up here, it might be nice to introduce ourselves 118 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:52,000 to each other. And so I don't know, Jennifer, you want to start at the end? Just maybe introduce 119 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:59,680 yourself and how long you've been on ZBA and one interesting thing about you. Is that okay? 120 00:12:59,680 --> 00:13:05,920 Sure. Yeah. I've been, my name is Jennifer Lane, and I've been on ZBA now three years, 121 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:10,800 I think, two years, first as an alternate appointed by Sarah Begheri and then as a member 122 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:18,800 appointed by Debra Armitter. And one interesting thing about myself is that I'm an opera singer. 123 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:28,760 Black profession. I think an Emmy nominated opera singer. Jennifer's like, oh, it's fine. 124 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:34,880 Hello, my name is Candy Harris. I've been a ZBA member, if you count from the time I 125 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:40,440 took my oath, about three whole months. My very first meeting, so happy to be here. Thanks 126 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:48,960 for having me. A member appointed by Paul Meltzler. And interesting thing about me, 127 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:56,600 I am a mom of four boys. So that's as interesting as it gets in my life right now. Every day 128 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:04,160 and every way. Yes. Nice to meet everybody. Do you want to introduce yourself, Ron? I 129 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:09,960 will do that. My name is Ron Magida, principal planner with the city and the staff liaison 130 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:15,440 along with Hillary on the Zoning Board of Adjustment. I've been with the city going 131 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:22,080 on 16 years. So I've seen a lot, but obviously there's so much more to do and I appreciate 132 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:30,800 you guys being here. My name is Amber Briggle. I'm the chair. I've been on ZBA four or five 133 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:39,920 years, I want to say. And one interesting thing about me is I was born in Fargo and 134 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,160 I don't think I've met any other person on the planet who was born in Fargo, but I'm 135 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:53,540 sure there are people who are born there every day. And yes, I've seen the movie. My name 136 00:14:53,540 --> 00:14:58,440 is Hillary. I'm with the city attorney's office. I'm your staff liaison. I've been with the 137 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:04,520 city six months. So learning, learning, learning. I guess one interesting thing about me would 138 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:11,960 be that I make chain mail for fun. Cool. That is very cool. 139 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:21,640 And I'm Michael Redwine. I am two years under the board of starting my third, appointed 140 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:29,360 by Gerard. What's interesting about me, I do like endurance sports. So I do running, 141 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:37,600 biking. I tried an Ironman. We'll do another one. The swimming just gets to me. 142 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:46,960 Good evening, everyone. My name is Lauren Fisher. This is my first ZBA meeting. It's 143 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:53,080 nice to meet everyone. I guess something interesting about me is we have been in Denton for a little 144 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:58,120 over two years now. And in the three years before that, we lived in 10 different cities 145 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:02,880 across the United States. So we bounced around a lot, but we bought our first home and are 146 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:07,200 making Denton kind of our place to settle for a while. So I'm excited to help you guys 147 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:14,600 shape the development as it goes forward. That's very nice to meet you. My name is Kate 148 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:22,520 Linus. And I have been on the ZBA just under whatever Jennifer's years are. So if you were 149 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:28,240 three years, I'm like three or two and three quarters or something. And I started off as 150 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:36,040 an alternate. And Keely appointed me and then Connie Baker and now Brian. So I just keep 151 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:41,600 staying in it because apparently nobody is on this board. But look, we've got some wonderful 152 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:48,560 new faces. Interesting thing about me, this is the second time I've lived in Denton. I've 153 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:56,520 been here since 2008 this time. And I went to grad school here in the nineties. And then 154 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:00,440 before that I lived in Fort Worth. So we used to come up to Denton all the time. Denton's 155 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:06,720 a great town. So that's it. I don't know if Brandon, Brandon, I don't know if you can 156 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,680 hear us. Do you want to introduce yourself to take yourself off of mute? Can you hear 157 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:15,120 me okay? Yeah, we can hear you. All right. Thank you, Madam Chair. Hey, everybody. My 158 00:17:15,120 --> 00:17:20,720 name is Brandon Chase McGee. This is my very first meeting, so happy to join you all. Interesting 159 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:25,400 fact about me, my partner and I have been on a mission for about a year to find the 160 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:35,560 very best burger in DFW. I'm a homer. I really love the seasonal burger at Greenhouse. But 161 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:43,120 I am open to any suggestions if there is a better burger in DFW. So please help me. I 162 00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:49,400 can support that mission, Brandon. That's great. Cool beans. Is that all we got? That's 163 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:55,920 all I see on the agenda. So thank you, everyone, for your time. The time now is 6.16 p.m., 164 00:17:55,920 --> 00:18:00,720 and I'm going to adjourn the meeting, and we'll see you all next time. Thank you.