WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.800 Okay good morning it's nine o'clock and we do have a quorum so we'll call to 00:00:04.800 --> 00:00:08.280 order the public utility board meeting for the city of Denton for Monday 00:00:08.280 --> 00:00:13.320 November 8th. The first item is any public comment. Does anybody in the 00:00:13.320 --> 00:00:21.080 audience wish to speak? How about on the phone? No there are no callers. All right 00:00:21.080 --> 00:00:26.760 thank you. So the first item is our consent agenda. Does any board member 00:00:26.760 --> 00:00:34.560 wish to pull it? Mr. Back, go ahead. Yes thank you chair. I'd like to pull item A 00:00:34.560 --> 00:00:39.400 and discuss if we can a little bit more detail about this extraordinary fine. 00:00:39.400 --> 00:00:50.200 Okay and I'm gonna pull item B and go ahead. Item E. And item E. All right and 00:00:50.200 --> 00:00:56.720 the other items. All right do we have a motion to approve item C, D, C and D? 00:00:56.720 --> 00:01:08.400 Benjump removed. Second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? That carries. Item A. 00:01:08.400 --> 00:01:12.680 Who is here to speak to that item? 00:01:22.880 --> 00:01:27.520 This is Rachel Wood deputy director of Capital Projects. I've also got Tracy 00:01:27.520 --> 00:01:30.960 Beck on the line who's the project manager for this project and we're happy 00:01:30.960 --> 00:01:42.240 to answer any questions. Go ahead. You need you need to have your mic on Mr. 00:01:42.240 --> 00:02:04.360 Beck. There you go. Got it now. Okay I found this an extraordinary. You're telling me. You're absolutely telling me. Come on. Pardon me? Okay you can hear me okay? Yes. Okay. This is an 00:02:04.360 --> 00:02:08.600 item that evidently I found out that the PUB discussed at a previous time so I 00:02:08.600 --> 00:02:12.220 don't want to drag this out but I found it extraordinary that we were finding 00:02:12.220 --> 00:02:16.640 something like this in one of our projects and it looks like the city did 00:02:16.640 --> 00:02:21.480 its due diligence and all that. It's just that I hate to see this pass so quickly 00:02:21.480 --> 00:02:27.200 without a little bit of discussion go on the public record. I was interested to 00:02:27.200 --> 00:02:32.760 realize that this fine was considered I guess to be prehistoric since they 00:02:32.760 --> 00:02:38.920 found some parts up to be 5,000 years old and I understand there was let's 00:02:38.920 --> 00:02:44.800 say archaeologists involved in this along with the project manager and other 00:02:44.800 --> 00:02:52.480 people and decided to do this data recovery as opposed to working around it 00:02:52.480 --> 00:02:58.840 or preserving any part of it. So if you could just elaborate a little bit more 00:02:58.840 --> 00:03:03.520 on that was it that deep into the area where we're going to work that none of 00:03:03.520 --> 00:03:09.000 it could be preserved and it was determined it said that cost and time 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:13.240 would be excessive on that too and it just seems like a rare find like this. 00:03:13.240 --> 00:03:17.640 I'm just curious to hear the a little bit of the reasoning behind the decision 00:03:17.640 --> 00:03:23.160 to just go with the data retrieval. Is that help? Is that that's not too 00:03:23.160 --> 00:03:30.320 confusing is it? And I'm sorry what was your name again? This is Tracy Beck. 00:03:30.320 --> 00:03:39.800 Tracy Beck good name okay okay did what I say make sense? Yes sir it did and I 00:03:39.800 --> 00:03:43.640 appreciate you asking the question. We had a project the Hickory Creek 00:03:43.640 --> 00:03:49.080 Interceptor project dates back numerous years of a high need for the wastewater 00:03:49.080 --> 00:03:52.840 department and for all the surrounding areas both existing and future 00:03:52.840 --> 00:03:58.560 development. The alignment was set years ago prior to my involvement and as one 00:03:58.560 --> 00:04:01.800 of the tasks that we're responsible to do when we go through a project 00:04:01.800 --> 00:04:07.040 evaluation is look at the archaeological findings. Typically that's never been a 00:04:07.040 --> 00:04:11.240 problem in the past. On this particular project we had a little special event 00:04:11.240 --> 00:04:15.440 where when we went through the initial phase we do what's called a survey. They 00:04:15.440 --> 00:04:19.440 take a look at the the surroundings and they say this might be a good area to 00:04:19.440 --> 00:04:25.600 look into. So we did that and that got one of our amendment changes to look a 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:28.640 little bit deeper because the Texas Historical Commission came out and said 00:04:28.640 --> 00:04:33.160 we need to look a little deeper dig under the ground and take a look. So at 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:36.880 that point they started finding some activity that showed that there was a 00:04:36.880 --> 00:04:42.200 past history of folks passing through the area. They had evidence of ovens 00:04:42.200 --> 00:04:46.680 earthen ovens and then mussel shells. So as they kept moving forward the Texas 00:04:46.680 --> 00:04:50.760 Historical Commission said we'd like to take a look a little bit further. So 00:04:50.760 --> 00:04:54.040 we're in what's called a phase three data recovery and what they're doing 00:04:54.040 --> 00:04:58.880 today is out there collecting all the data collecting the evidence the years 00:04:58.880 --> 00:05:03.440 sample soils everything that they need to recreate the story the best they can 00:05:03.440 --> 00:05:08.640 as to what they found. So as far as avoiding those areas the alignment in 00:05:08.640 --> 00:05:12.160 order to avoid the areas we looked at that option we looked at trying to bore 00:05:12.160 --> 00:05:16.920 under the areas. We looked at anything that we could do to avoid the 00:05:16.920 --> 00:05:21.320 archaeological expenses as well as the impact. But the reality is is that if we 00:05:21.320 --> 00:05:24.920 shifted it left or right the Texas Historical Commission said there's 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:30.480 really not a way to find out if we could avoid them all together because it was a 00:05:30.480 --> 00:05:34.600 community that came through this area. So at that point we didn't have an option 00:05:34.600 --> 00:05:38.720 other than to start the project from scratch which based on the need for the 00:05:38.720 --> 00:05:43.200 line was not an option that we could see. So what they're doing today is collecting 00:05:43.200 --> 00:05:49.400 as much data, years data, taking pictures and everything. We'll end up getting a 00:05:49.400 --> 00:05:53.800 several hundred page report maybe even a thousand pages. I don't know they said 00:05:53.800 --> 00:05:57.720 it's gonna be huge. Showing all the evidence so that we can secure that 00:05:57.720 --> 00:06:06.480 history. Okay did the Texas Historical Commission is there something on record 00:06:06.480 --> 00:06:11.680 with them where we could kind of see in a little bit more detail their 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:17.480 perception on this and something for the public record more or less other than 00:06:17.480 --> 00:06:23.640 what we got here? We have a scope that has been worked back and forth between 00:06:23.640 --> 00:06:28.000 the archaeologists and the Texas Historical Commission and that's where 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:31.840 they negotiate back and forth discussing what are the needs for the project, 00:06:31.840 --> 00:06:37.520 excavation, data recovery and that is a part of what we're approving today is 00:06:37.520 --> 00:06:50.680 that scope. Okay as a private citizen though is there could I get 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:57.640 access to those records? We don't have them public right now but I believe that 00:06:57.640 --> 00:07:02.840 we could add them to our Discover Denton pages. It's just going to document the 00:07:02.840 --> 00:07:08.120 scope of the services based on what the Texas Historical Commission and our 00:07:08.120 --> 00:07:14.960 archaeologists discussed. Okay if that can be done and is done Tracy would you 00:07:14.960 --> 00:07:19.240 email me and let me know and just give me you know how I can go about doing that 00:07:19.240 --> 00:07:27.720 otherwise I'm fine with this. Absolutely. Okay thank you so much. All right so do 00:07:27.720 --> 00:07:34.640 we have a motion to approve item A? Mr. Beck is motioning. Do we have a second? 00:07:34.640 --> 00:07:50.240 Mr. Cheek seconded. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Carries. Item B. I did not 00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:54.200 really have a question I just knew that Billy would have to recuse himself so I 00:07:54.200 --> 00:08:04.520 need a motion to approve item B. Thank you Mr. Jumper. Moved? Second? Mr. Beck 00:08:04.520 --> 00:08:12.120 seconded. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Carries. Item E. 00:08:12.120 --> 00:08:39.640 All right item E. Yes I guess do we have somebody here for that? Yeah we have some 00:08:39.640 --> 00:08:42.000 folks from Solid Waste here they can probably answer your questions if you 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:47.320 want to ask your question Mr. Jumper. Sure okay so we're getting a new you want 00:08:47.320 --> 00:08:51.040 to get a new truck I was a little confused on the purpose of the of the 00:08:51.040 --> 00:08:57.320 truck is it it seems like it maybe it's like a backup or kind of a filler like 00:08:57.320 --> 00:09:01.680 fill-in for odds and ends needs if you could just elaborate on that a little 00:09:01.680 --> 00:09:10.080 more. Yes I love to answer that question it's really it really won't be a backup 00:09:10.080 --> 00:09:14.600 this will be our one of our primary vehicles the purpose of a few reasons 00:09:14.600 --> 00:09:19.400 for trying to acquire the vehicle now versus later but it'll it'll allow us to 00:09:19.400 --> 00:09:25.720 create a faster response time as we respond to our customer concerns and the 00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:29.720 complaints the smaller footprint is definitely a lot easier to maneuver 00:09:29.720 --> 00:09:34.600 through the communities one of the things that we're here we're here a very 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:39.960 high standard to is taking care of customers in a short response time the 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:46.320 the the the fuel savings versus sitting in a big large truck across town late 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:50.840 and evening in traffic this truck will take care of that for us plus it'll 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:55.000 serve as our you mentioned backup and I say no to that this will actually serve 00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:58.240 as our crew we have crew leaders on staff for each discipline that we have 00:09:58.240 --> 00:10:03.520 this truck will serve as an office so instead of us waiting the customer 00:10:03.520 --> 00:10:06.760 waiting for things to happen we're right in the field and we can take care of it 00:10:06.760 --> 00:10:12.760 right away okay and then you also in the in the documentation there referenced 00:10:12.760 --> 00:10:18.400 helping with spills so I was curious about all the spills happen a lot and 00:10:18.400 --> 00:10:21.360 then how does that happen and what if you got an administrative code we are 00:10:21.360 --> 00:10:25.560 required if there's a spillage we are required to take care of that spill 00:10:25.560 --> 00:10:30.440 within a certain amount of time does that happen often it doesn't happen often 00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:36.160 however when they do happen hydraulic spills things of that nature in this in 00:10:36.160 --> 00:10:41.360 this business as the temperatures get hotter and warmer lines sometimes are 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:45.560 compromised right and you may have 20 to 30 gallons of hydraulic fluid on the 00:10:45.560 --> 00:10:49.600 ground and we've got a short window to respond this truck will have spill kits 00:10:49.600 --> 00:10:54.840 everything necessary right to take care of that spill to contain it until we 00:10:54.840 --> 00:10:57.000 can get it better under control sometimes getting the better under 00:10:57.000 --> 00:11:00.400 control is calling in some specialists and things like that before the 00:11:00.400 --> 00:11:03.760 containment initially this truck is already in the field it can respond 00:11:03.760 --> 00:11:10.160 immediately okay yes sir is this the first truck of its kind of this kind of 00:11:10.160 --> 00:11:14.400 more light-duty quick response vehicle absolutely not their trucks been an 00:11:14.400 --> 00:11:18.240 industry like this probably I'm aware I've been in the business 32 years I 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:21.660 know they're been in the business about 15 years no I'm sorry I meant for the 00:11:21.660 --> 00:11:27.840 department is a few years ago we bought two we have two they're in a yard a 00:11:27.840 --> 00:11:33.280 configuration and they work fine for us in fact we service our downtown valley 00:11:33.280 --> 00:11:37.000 area with those trucks right now they work perfect for us this truck is a 00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:41.880 little larger 11 yard to for more capacity so our return time to the 00:11:41.880 --> 00:11:47.120 landfill is not as frequent great thank you I just was wondering if this was the 00:11:47.120 --> 00:11:50.040 only one and if that was enough but obviously it's the third of this 00:11:50.040 --> 00:11:54.840 particular type thank you if approved this would be our third vehicle of this 00:11:54.840 --> 00:12:03.840 kind to our fleet thank you yes ma'am do we have a motion to approve item E so 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:12.520 moved then jumper seconds all in favor say aye motion carries next item is 00:12:12.520 --> 00:12:17.400 recommend approval of the October 25th meeting minutes do we have a motion to 00:12:17.400 --> 00:12:24.320 approve move approval mr. cheek moved approval mr. Beck seconds on favor say 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:29.820 aye aye that carries consider the adoption of an ordinance with the city 00:12:29.820 --> 00:12:34.560 of Denton the Texas Home Rule Municipal Corporation authorizing the city manager 00:12:34.560 --> 00:12:38.960 to execute a contract with Southern ionics ink for the supply of emissions 00:12:38.960 --> 00:12:43.200 reagent for the deep Denton Energy Center 00:12:54.320 --> 00:13:10.280 yeah they're not on our monitors they don't come up on the monitor okay good 00:13:10.280 --> 00:13:15.720 enough everything look good yep good morning ladies and gentlemen Jason 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:19.880 Brown plant manager of the Denton Energy Center first off I want to thank you all 00:13:19.880 --> 00:13:25.640 for allowing me time this morning to present this emissions reagent contract 00:13:25.640 --> 00:13:34.600 that we're seeking approval of this morning the reagent used at the Denton 00:13:34.600 --> 00:13:40.240 Energy Center is aqueous ammonia and is used as an additive in our exhaust 00:13:40.240 --> 00:13:45.840 stream for NOx control NOx control is a condition of our air permit therefore we 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:53.120 have to have emissions reagent in order to operate the facility how we use 00:13:53.120 --> 00:13:59.600 aquia aqueous ammonia or the additive is we inject the additive into the exhaust 00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:05.880 stream where it mixes with exhaust gas and then flows through the SCR catalyst 00:14:05.880 --> 00:14:11.680 selective catalytic reduction catalyst on the exhaust system in there a chemical 00:14:11.680 --> 00:14:18.640 reaction takes place where the NOx deposits on to the SCR blocks and as we 00:14:18.640 --> 00:14:27.520 as we operate the facility we maintain the emissions life or the perimeters of 00:14:27.520 --> 00:14:32.760 that emissions catalyst with standard maintenance practices by monitoring the 00:14:32.760 --> 00:14:38.480 catalyst block differential across the catalyst blocks and clean or refurbish 00:14:38.480 --> 00:14:48.160 the catalyst catalytic blocks as we need the additive is a consumable that is 00:14:48.160 --> 00:14:55.520 injected into the into the exhaust stream at 14 and a half gallons per hour to 18 00:14:55.520 --> 00:15:01.520 and a gap 18 and a half gallons per hour depending on exhaust load or equipment 00:15:01.520 --> 00:15:10.960 load and NOx control is a standard air permit condition to where we we need 00:15:10.960 --> 00:15:21.480 emissions reagent with us injecting aqueous ammonia into the exhaust stream 00:15:21.480 --> 00:15:25.080 at 14 and a half to 18 and a half gallons per hour we we have the need for 00:15:25.080 --> 00:15:30.520 bulk storage this picture here in front of you is is our storage location the 00:15:30.520 --> 00:15:35.960 big horizontal gray tank to the right is where we keep our aqueous ammonia and 00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:42.580 it's transferred via pumps to the north and south engine halls through a common 00:15:42.580 --> 00:15:49.680 header where it then is dosed by engine for the NOx control needs so our book 00:15:49.680 --> 00:15:57.200 our bulk storage capacity is about 29,000 to 30,000 gallons or 172 plant 00:15:57.200 --> 00:16:05.160 hours at full output our tank is designed to store aqueous ammonia and we 00:16:05.160 --> 00:16:11.820 receive deliveries via tanker at 6,500 gallons typically every week during the 00:16:11.820 --> 00:16:17.000 peak of summer to every three weeks during during the other shoulder months 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:23.840 as you can see from that picture in the center there that's where we offload our 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:28.360 our tankers they actually pull into a containment area if there was happen to 00:16:28.360 --> 00:16:32.720 be a spill or any of that that nature it would go down into the containment area 00:16:32.720 --> 00:16:40.040 that's designed to hold all that all that chemical capacity in that area so 00:16:40.040 --> 00:16:47.360 as our contract came up and expired earlier or late last month we went out 00:16:47.360 --> 00:16:55.440 for formal bids we went out with an IFB specified what need to be needed to be 00:16:55.440 --> 00:17:02.200 quality of our aqueous ammonia and we're seeking approval for a five-year total 00:17:02.200 --> 00:17:08.280 contract three years with two one-year extensions it was sent to 54 perspective 00:17:08.280 --> 00:17:13.640 bidders one we got one response which happened to be our previous contract 00:17:13.640 --> 00:17:19.120 supplier and we are recommending awarding southern ionics for our 00:17:19.120 --> 00:17:29.160 emissions reagent aqueous ammonia questions yes mr. Beck thank you Jason 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:33.280 for your report and I appreciate your informative tour you gave a couple of 00:17:33.280 --> 00:17:37.040 us this weekend yes would you and you mentioned during that tour and if you 00:17:37.040 --> 00:17:44.120 would restate what is the EPA level of emissions that's allowed and where does 00:17:44.120 --> 00:17:53.000 the DEC stand the EPA TCEQ has limitations based on your standard air 00:17:53.000 --> 00:17:57.920 permit and the equipment type which basically boils down to eight tons per 00:17:57.920 --> 00:18:03.440 year requirement I can't pull off top my head what the requirement is for NOx or 00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:10.600 or CEO but I can definitely give you that information as well on the share 00:18:10.600 --> 00:18:18.400 site we do put up our emissions values each month and and that permit limit is 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:22.760 is on that that spreadsheet as well you said something about it couldn't exceed 00:18:22.760 --> 00:18:32.080 60% no during during the tour what we have experienced thus far in operation 00:18:32.080 --> 00:18:38.120 is we we've only been achieving about 60% capacity of our total air permit 00:18:38.120 --> 00:18:43.920 limit which is well under one tons per year yeah okay thank you yes sir yes sir 00:18:43.920 --> 00:18:49.320 I have a question on the dollar amounts are fixed over the five-year period is 00:18:49.320 --> 00:18:54.140 that a not to exceed dollar amount for the supply as required that's a great 00:18:54.140 --> 00:19:01.400 question so it is a not to exceed amount additionally within that not to exceed 00:19:01.400 --> 00:19:08.240 amount our previous operating history we've been spending about a hundred and 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:15.200 nine thousand a year over the last four or five months we've seen a 32% increase 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:21.880 in the cost of that that aqueous ammonia or that product in general so the way 00:19:21.880 --> 00:19:26.520 that we build our budget for this consumable since it is a variable based 00:19:26.520 --> 00:19:31.440 on the operation is we budget it to the to the max value and this contract is 00:19:31.440 --> 00:19:37.120 built to that max value also we're fully expecting the cost of our aqueous 00:19:37.120 --> 00:19:43.320 ammonia to be more down around the five hundred thousand range this year well 00:19:43.320 --> 00:19:47.520 that was a curiosity my question was increasing costs in all areas I said 00:19:47.520 --> 00:19:50.920 well this is fixed so I was wondering how you're gonna manage that so thank 00:19:50.920 --> 00:19:57.760 you yes sir mr. chief does this take into account for the possible increase 00:19:57.760 --> 00:20:04.600 in production at the DEC yes sir it does and remind me deep when we think the new 00:20:04.600 --> 00:20:14.800 giant computer system will be online the Bitcoin place or whatever it is phase 00:20:14.800 --> 00:20:21.920 one I want to say was online January February February sir okay sorry no 00:20:21.920 --> 00:20:32.360 worries thank you other questions oh yes go ahead good morning good morning I was 00:20:32.360 --> 00:20:38.680 so we have 172 hours of storage on site and it looks like one tanker truck it 00:20:38.680 --> 00:20:43.880 would probably take five or six tanker trucks to fill the on-site tank there so 00:20:43.880 --> 00:20:50.400 are you getting I guess deliveries every few days or weekly during during peak 00:20:50.400 --> 00:20:56.240 season so so midsummer and and also there's a peak during the winter time 00:20:56.240 --> 00:21:03.360 typically we're receiving about a tanker every week to two weeks fluctuates with 00:21:03.360 --> 00:21:08.040 with engine operation whether if we run a lot we're gonna need more and it's 00:21:08.040 --> 00:21:14.120 been about a week and it's the supply are they relatively local like in case of 00:21:14.120 --> 00:21:18.680 transportation disruptions a snowstorm something like that the product is 00:21:18.680 --> 00:21:24.800 manufactured in Houston and then our our shipping time is is usually two to three 00:21:24.800 --> 00:21:32.440 days we don't keep the storage tank at max capacity unless they give us a 00:21:32.440 --> 00:21:36.240 notice that the times are gonna be a little bit longer than we'll double up 00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:42.000 and bring it to max capacity in case there is a shortage we typically reorder 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:48.560 about 60 60 to 70 percent tank level okay so those trucks are it's from 00:21:48.560 --> 00:21:51.960 Houston a truck comes up takes him a day or two to place the order fill the order 00:21:51.960 --> 00:21:55.640 and then get arrives two days later yes sir from the from the minute that we 00:21:55.640 --> 00:22:01.440 place the order it's typically 24-hour turn around there is there is some 00:22:01.440 --> 00:22:07.480 expedited fees in this contract if we did need it faster and and they can't 00:22:07.480 --> 00:22:13.240 get it to us within the normal time frame three days and we can expedite it 00:22:13.240 --> 00:22:19.560 we've we've had to expedite once during storm URI so we typically don't really 00:22:19.560 --> 00:22:25.360 need to expedite thank you yes sir you took my next question did this happen 00:22:25.360 --> 00:22:30.520 during storm URI perfect I'm glad I got to you first Mr. Beck go ahead thank you 00:22:30.520 --> 00:22:35.520 just one other question just so I'm clear the waste product is essentially 00:22:35.520 --> 00:22:41.760 what is emitted the the aqueous ammonia mixed in with the toxic elements there's 00:22:41.760 --> 00:22:47.080 no physical or liquid waste product from all this is there there there is a 00:22:47.080 --> 00:22:53.120 little bit of water during the during the chemical process it evaporates 00:22:53.120 --> 00:22:58.160 within the SCR blocks with the heat okay most of the byproduct is going to be 00:22:58.160 --> 00:23:02.160 attached to the SCR blocks where you actually go in the lance and take out 00:23:02.160 --> 00:23:06.640 take out the material and dispose of and that wastewater evaporates we don't send 00:23:06.640 --> 00:23:14.000 it all somewhere no sir thank you no no accumulation like that mm-hmm okay any 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:19.560 further questions okay seeing none do we have a motion to approve 00:23:19.560 --> 00:23:28.160 mr. epic was motioned second mr. cheek second all in favor say aye aye opposed 00:23:28.160 --> 00:23:34.120 okay carries management reports madam chair members of the PB appreciate your 00:23:34.120 --> 00:23:40.240 time today it's on your management reports we did send you a memo with some 00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:43.720 legislative information certainly if you have any questions we'll be happy to 00:23:43.720 --> 00:23:46.920 answer those today we have a number of staff people here and also on the phone 00:23:46.920 --> 00:23:51.520 that can address any of any of those bills that are impacting our utilities 00:23:51.520 --> 00:23:55.000 certainly there's other questions about the attachment and some additional bills 00:23:55.000 --> 00:23:59.800 we can certainly try to respond to those this morning but before I go to that I 00:23:59.800 --> 00:24:06.080 just wanted to go quickly to the new business action matrix with having 00:24:06.080 --> 00:24:10.280 wrapped up hopefully this legislative update today we've also completed the 00:24:10.280 --> 00:24:15.120 emergency preparedness you know we also gave a tour to a couple a couple of 00:24:15.120 --> 00:24:19.680 members last week and kind of showed them a little bit more kind of there on 00:24:19.680 --> 00:24:24.560 site some of the things that we've done that leaves us certainly we have the 00:24:24.560 --> 00:24:29.520 solid waste pilot program on on composting I think Brian will probably 00:24:29.520 --> 00:24:34.360 address sometime probably today and part of his presentation and then we have one 00:24:34.360 --> 00:24:38.320 additional item on the solar insulation and how they impact the grid and that'll 00:24:38.320 --> 00:24:42.560 be forthcoming to you with a much broader presentation on distributed 00:24:42.560 --> 00:24:47.680 generation and kind of what we're doing with some of our solar programs but with 00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:51.440 that happy to answer any questions like I said we do have a number of staff 00:24:51.440 --> 00:24:55.240 people available if you have questions on the memo 00:24:55.240 --> 00:25:01.880 mr. Ratback go ahead my question is kind of an overview is there's somebody 00:25:01.880 --> 00:25:05.960 available could give us kind of a overview or summary of what all of this 00:25:05.960 --> 00:25:10.400 information in this memo about the legislative session and all the various 00:25:10.400 --> 00:25:15.480 updates yeah certainly I'll see if Terry Nolte even come up here he can the bulk 00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:21.240 of these had to do with what electric utilities certainly there's other bills 00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:26.540 that have impacted our other utilities I will mention one before Terry goes 00:25:26.540 --> 00:25:31.880 forward and that's that's HB 1520 that's related to gas utilities obviously we 00:25:31.880 --> 00:25:38.240 don't have a gas utility but but we do have regular authority regulatory 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:43.420 authority over some of these utilities when it comes to rate setting and so the 00:25:43.420 --> 00:25:48.040 city did intervene as part of a larger coalition with this gas securitization 00:25:48.040 --> 00:25:52.200 bill which is very similar to what happened on the electric side and think 00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:56.320 think that that is now pushing forward we'll just mention that's about three 00:25:56.320 --> 00:26:00.200 point three and a half billion dollars that gas utilities are going to be 00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:06.120 securitizing and in passing back through to customers coaster of gas that's one 00:26:06.120 --> 00:26:09.500 of our providers here at at most energy is the other provider which is a much 00:26:09.500 --> 00:26:14.600 larger provider but coaster of gas did opt out of that securitization they're 00:26:14.600 --> 00:26:18.400 gonna do their own financing and they're gonna set that at their own you know 00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:22.360 whatever their own rate is and and they'll be passing that forward all of 00:26:22.360 --> 00:26:28.200 this will probably be about a two and a half dollar to four dollar regulatory fee 00:26:28.200 --> 00:26:32.720 per use per your per your volume your MMBT you or I think it's a different 00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:37.200 measure on your gas bill that you'll be seeing here probably in the next few 00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:41.680 months it's just a pass through to to customers the utilities will collect it 00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:45.680 and then forward that on to this securitization agency that's been set up 00:26:45.680 --> 00:26:49.480 very similar to what we saw on the electric side but Terry I'll turn it 00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:53.360 over to Terry 00:26:53.360 --> 00:27:00.920 assistant general manager DME so a lot of the legislation as you can imagine was 00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:06.280 a result of what happened in February with winter storm URI and I guess just 00:27:06.280 --> 00:27:12.200 from a very high level the two biggest bills impacting our utilities here in 00:27:12.200 --> 00:27:17.880 Denton were Senate bill 2 and Senate bill 3 Senate bill 2 was a bill that 00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:24.960 basically is PCT public utility Commission of Texas and ERCOT 00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:31.560 governance bill change the governance structure of those organizations be glad 00:27:31.560 --> 00:27:37.200 to answer any specific questions you have about those there are now two new 00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:46.040 board members of ERCOT the ERCOT board has those two members have solicited a 00:27:46.040 --> 00:27:52.240 proposal for a recruiting company to come in and help find additional board 00:27:52.240 --> 00:27:59.160 members for ERCOT and of course ERCOT is the organization that controls the 00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:05.200 electric grid in Texas yes sir so does that mean there are currently only two 00:28:05.200 --> 00:28:10.440 members of the board that is correct they all step down as the prior board was 00:28:10.440 --> 00:28:17.740 made up of about 18 people various segments of the industry had 00:28:17.740 --> 00:28:23.280 representation on the board for instance the public power sector had two 00:28:23.280 --> 00:28:28.920 representatives on that board that board has been dissolved pursuant to Senate 00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:35.280 bill 2 and so these these two new board members will be heading up the the 00:28:35.280 --> 00:28:40.640 search to find additional board members one of the new requirements is that the 00:28:40.640 --> 00:28:48.280 board members must live in Texas and that they have to have expertise in 00:28:48.280 --> 00:28:54.440 finance energy management natural gas it's pretty specific and prescriptive 00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:58.240 and in the bill well thank you I didn't realize the board had been completely 00:28:58.240 --> 00:29:05.440 yeah thank you Senate bill 3 was probably the biggest is the omnibus bill 00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:13.640 and it dealt with both electric and water systems everything from mapping the 00:29:13.640 --> 00:29:20.940 natural gas infrastructure across Texas to each generating facility to identify 00:29:20.940 --> 00:29:27.000 critical resources critical loads along the system part of the problem during 00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:31.600 Yuri was that a number of compressor stations that were not deemed critical 00:29:31.600 --> 00:29:37.080 were lost power and couldn't pressurize gas in the pipelines there were a number 00:29:37.080 --> 00:29:41.120 of gas processing facilities that also were not critical that shut down 00:29:41.120 --> 00:29:47.040 couldn't process natural gas so that exacerbated the the shortage of natural 00:29:47.040 --> 00:29:54.480 gas that we saw during that week in February under Senate bill 3 the Texas 00:29:54.480 --> 00:30:02.200 Railroad Commission is to establish weatherization standards for the the 00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:08.920 natural gas pipeline system that effort is under underway all critical loads are 00:30:08.920 --> 00:30:14.360 being registered now with their with their respective utilities and then next 00:30:14.360 --> 00:30:20.840 winter by next winter we hope to see weather standards that will be imposed 00:30:20.840 --> 00:30:25.760 across all of the natural gas pipeline systems for this winter unfortunately 00:30:25.760 --> 00:30:32.120 there will not be reliability standards imposed weatherize weatherization or 00:30:32.120 --> 00:30:35.960 reliability standards imposed because there wasn't sufficient time to get 00:30:35.960 --> 00:30:40.960 those regulations in place or through the public process on the electric side 00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:46.960 much much different story we do have new weatherization standards we provided a 00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:51.880 report to you last month on that we've done our weatherization efforts out at 00:30:51.880 --> 00:30:55.800 the Denton Energy Center there is additional efforts that we will be taking 00:30:55.800 --> 00:31:03.520 over time the Senate bill 3 also directed the Public Utility Commission 00:31:03.520 --> 00:31:09.880 of Texas to establish new reliability regulations for ERCOT those are ongoing 00:31:09.880 --> 00:31:18.040 today I think on December 8 December 19th we anticipate that the Public 00:31:18.040 --> 00:31:22.960 Utility Commission will issue their roadmap for new market changes 00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:28.600 reliability changes to try to avoid the the issues that we experienced in in 00:31:28.600 --> 00:31:34.960 February as well as to better situate the the grid for the coming 00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:41.200 intermittency of generation we have we have 20,000 megawatts of new solar 00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:45.040 patents solar projects that will be coming online in the next three to four 00:31:45.040 --> 00:31:52.000 years we've got another ten to fifteen thousand megawatts of wind and while it 00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:56.200 wasn't the primary cause of winter storm URI the intermittency of the grid does 00:31:56.200 --> 00:32:01.920 pose a big risk and so these new rules are intended to address that this new 00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:06.660 direction from the Public Utility Commission I don't expect that we'll see 00:32:06.660 --> 00:32:11.400 any definitive rules out on that probably for a year or so because it'll 00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:17.600 take some time to get it through the stakeholder on the water side water 00:32:17.600 --> 00:32:23.680 systems were adversely impacted during URI we had wool water advisories 00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:29.480 throughout the state a number of water systems were shut down for weeks and so 00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:35.840 the water systems were required to submit like the natural gas facilities 00:32:35.840 --> 00:32:41.280 a list of their critical infrastructure to their local utilities so that they 00:32:41.280 --> 00:32:49.080 would not lose power if there were rolling back rolling outages again also 00:32:49.080 --> 00:32:55.760 the water utilities are in the midst of developing and submitting to TCEQ 00:32:55.760 --> 00:33:01.840 emergency plans that will be reviewed by the agency to ensure that they've got 00:33:01.840 --> 00:33:09.640 adequate procedures in place in the event of a repeat of the URI event so 00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:15.240 that give you a high level enough overview of those two bills there were 00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:19.680 there were many other bills obviously there's a long list I'm not those are 00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:23.880 the two that I'm saying that would affect the city of Denton's utilities 00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:27.160 most directly well thank you very much that's what I was looking for just a 00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:32.120 overview there was way too much here to digest over the weekend mr. Beck go ahead 00:33:32.120 --> 00:33:45.720 oh your mics on there you go sorry about that was there in this legislation was 00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:53.600 there any consideration to since ERCOT is a self-imposed confined system in the 00:33:53.600 --> 00:34:02.200 event we run into another extreme weather condition that creates its 00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:05.960 problem again in the methods we put out there don't don't suffice was there any 00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:13.400 consider is it consideration to link up to the neighboring grids that could 00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:17.520 supply was that even a consideration there was discussions at the 00:34:17.520 --> 00:34:22.000 legislature during the session of that issue it never made it into the bill it 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:27.480 is not one of the mandates under Senate bill 3 or Senate bill 2 for the 00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:35.720 Commission to look at so I'm not aware I've been very I've been monitoring all 00:34:35.720 --> 00:34:39.600 the developments of the Public Utility Commission and so far I haven't seen any 00:34:39.600 --> 00:34:45.920 effort on their part to reach out to any surrounding grids to discuss 00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:54.920 interconnection okay thank you and I see that the violation penalties are similar 00:34:54.920 --> 00:35:00.400 to the NERC finds that that's correct see so we're getting more in alignment 00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:06.880 there so yeah we we actually have a our first certification for the weather 00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:15.840 ization efforts will go in on December 1st to the PUCT yeah all right other questions 00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:23.640 thank you I guess that's it isn't it okay concluding items does any board 00:35:23.640 --> 00:35:28.760 member wish to have something added to a future agenda item or making public 00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:34.680 comments no all right then we'll go on to work session the first one is to 00:35:34.680 --> 00:35:38.760 receive a report hold a discussion and give staff direction regarding the 00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:43.200 options related to the completion and implementation of the comprehensive 00:35:43.200 --> 00:35:48.340 solid waste management strategy what we've been waiting for exactly pins and 00:35:48.340 --> 00:35:52.160 needles here so good morning madam chair members of the board I'm Brian burner 00:35:52.160 --> 00:35:57.520 I'm the solid waste director for the city of Denton and I appreciate you 00:35:57.520 --> 00:36:01.560 being here and listening to our discussion with me today I have several 00:36:01.560 --> 00:36:05.840 members of the of the leadership of the solid waste department as well as our 00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:10.020 consultant Scott Pasternak with Burns and McDonald what we hope to do today is 00:36:10.020 --> 00:36:13.520 to provide a status update and receive comment direction on the development of 00:36:13.520 --> 00:36:18.160 the city's comprehensive solid waste management strategy as envisioned the 00:36:18.160 --> 00:36:22.440 strategy is to be a comprehensive forward and future-looking document that 00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:26.760 will help the city in making sustainable decisions regarding its solid waste 00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:33.760 management stream it's agnostic with regard to programs we're in the in terms 00:36:33.760 --> 00:36:37.260 of sustainability we're not looking at products we're not looking at programs 00:36:37.260 --> 00:36:41.640 but we're looking at process taking materials from point A to point B how to 00:36:41.640 --> 00:36:44.800 efficiently do it how to economically do it and most importantly how to 00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:49.080 environmentally do it or how to do it in an environmentally friendly manner you 00:36:49.080 --> 00:36:53.000 know in short this document is not is about leading it's not about following 00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:57.360 it's doing what's right for the city of Denton and its citizens we don't want to 00:36:57.360 --> 00:37:01.800 operate inside or outside a box that has been divide defined by somebody else or 00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:06.640 some other organization we want to create our own box and in that box 00:37:06.640 --> 00:37:13.120 create or think much larger with regard to our solid waste management program 00:37:13.120 --> 00:37:17.400 you know we want to support maximum diversion of our waste stream while 00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:21.880 minimizing cost environmental impacts and as part of this process we're 00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:25.240 looking where no one's looking before we're thinking where people aren't 00:37:25.240 --> 00:37:28.920 thinking about right now we're believing where people haven't been believing in 00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:32.960 the past and as such we're trying to make our program sustainable as possible 00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:38.040 over this past year we've been looking and working to evaluate our waste 00:37:38.040 --> 00:37:43.320 characteristic characteristics excuse me reviewing existing 00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:47.320 programs both locally and nationally reviewing state and federal laws to 00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:51.580 identify strategic points of synergy and in today's discussion we're going to be 00:37:51.580 --> 00:37:54.800 discussing those six strategies that we've identified and really where we 00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:58.920 want to focus our efforts as well as the metrics to help drive future programs 00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:03.160 what we'd like to do this morning is really run as part of the presentation 00:38:03.160 --> 00:38:06.960 is run through the entire presentation look at all six strategies and how they 00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:11.280 relate to one another and then we'll back up and then as a as a as a board 00:38:11.280 --> 00:38:16.480 look at each strategy individually so that we can understand you know we don't 00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:19.360 want to ask a question now that may be addressed you know in one of the later 00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:22.560 strategies so get it you know look at it holistically and then go back and look 00:38:22.560 --> 00:38:27.760 at it individually so with that before we go into our presentation I know that 00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:31.640 we have several new members on the board and again welcome and thank you for your 00:38:31.640 --> 00:38:35.400 service but I know many of you have not been out to the landfill here recently 00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:39.240 we've just finished the construction of our new landfill cell we've got our 00:38:39.240 --> 00:38:42.760 exciting public disposal facility under construction if anybody would like to 00:38:42.760 --> 00:38:46.520 come out take a look discuss garbage with us a little bit more we would be 00:38:46.520 --> 00:38:51.800 glad to have you and receive you just get with Kim we'll get a appointment set 00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:57.100 up and we'll give you the 50 cent tour so with that I would like to bring Scott 00:38:57.100 --> 00:39:02.920 Pasternak to the the podium here and talk he'll go through the presentation 00:39:02.920 --> 00:39:22.280 on the the the strategy good morning madam chair and board members again my 00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:25.320 name is Scott Pasternak and I'm with Burns and McDonald's I've had the 00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:29.960 opportunity to continue collaborating with the city of Denton on this strategy 00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:34.720 development I say continue as I have worked while at Burns and Mack and then 00:39:34.720 --> 00:39:38.720 with my prior firm with the city of Denton since about 2005 so I've had the 00:39:38.720 --> 00:39:43.640 great opportunity to be a part of some of the tremendous efforts that have been 00:39:43.640 --> 00:39:49.760 made in the past and continue to this day we also work pretty extensively with 00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:54.040 other cities and in the Council of Governments and in this region so there 00:39:54.040 --> 00:39:58.040 definitely are a lot of very exciting things that are happening from in the 00:39:58.040 --> 00:40:02.960 world of solid waste management and recycling composting and some of which 00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:07.220 the city of Denton is really at the leading edge of and then we'll talk 00:40:07.220 --> 00:40:10.960 about those this morning it's really what I want to do with you all this 00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:15.200 morning is to focus on three items first would be just to provide you with a 00:40:15.200 --> 00:40:20.520 broad overview of the project overall how we've gotten to this point we are 00:40:20.520 --> 00:40:25.960 definitely at the stage to where we are pretty far along in in the strategy 00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:30.880 development but but nothing is finalized whatsoever so that the timing of this 00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:34.160 meeting today as well as tomorrow we have a presentation before the City 00:40:34.160 --> 00:40:38.920 Council hopefully is pretty close to perfect in terms of we can hopefully 00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:43.120 answer your key questions and then any direction that you want to provide to us 00:40:43.120 --> 00:40:47.920 you know this is definitely a timely point for that as well so then after we 00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:51.700 provide the overview of where we are with the project we have engaged in some 00:40:51.700 --> 00:40:55.520 very meaningful stakeholder engagement efforts so I'll provide an overview of 00:40:55.520 --> 00:41:01.380 that and then as Brian mentioned then we'll jump into the six strategies that 00:41:01.380 --> 00:41:06.080 we are in the process of developing and then after that be happy to answer any 00:41:06.080 --> 00:41:11.080 questions that you may may have for us so this slide gives you a sense of the 00:41:11.080 --> 00:41:16.680 overview of the work that we have have undertaken so going from from left to 00:41:16.680 --> 00:41:20.880 right I won't go through each of the details in these boxes but just to hit 00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:26.880 the highlights we started off with an evaluation of the existing system that 00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:33.280 did include a characterization study of the solid waste and recycling materials 00:41:33.280 --> 00:41:37.880 in the city from residents residence apartment complexes and businesses and 00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:40.960 that that's exactly what you may think that it is it's it's actually sorting 00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:45.920 through all of that trash and recycling to understand what that is really 00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:48.840 comprised of and I'll tell you in a few minutes how that that's really so 00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:53.640 important but then also getting into the details of the current system and 00:41:53.640 --> 00:41:58.480 understanding other issues such as the extensive growth that is occurring and 00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:02.760 expected to continue happening not only here in Denton but in the surrounding 00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:08.480 communities as as well so then where we've been focusing our efforts through 00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:13.280 the summer and in fall it's been to work with the city to develop a number of 00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:17.340 strategies and options which we will talk through with you all today which 00:42:17.340 --> 00:42:21.160 are based on various goals and objectives that we have worked to 00:42:21.160 --> 00:42:26.240 establish with the city so ultimately what we will be developing is the solid 00:42:26.240 --> 00:42:30.520 waste management strategy which will include the six strategies that that 00:42:30.520 --> 00:42:34.640 again Brian referred to as well as what are the specific steps that can be taken 00:42:34.640 --> 00:42:40.160 now and into the future to implement those strategies the the bottom of this 00:42:40.160 --> 00:42:44.520 slide communicates that we have undertaken extensive stakeholder 00:42:44.520 --> 00:42:49.200 engagement in public outreach efforts as a part of this so let me walk through 00:42:49.200 --> 00:42:54.560 what some of those key aspects of have been we started off with a citywide 00:42:54.560 --> 00:43:00.080 survey of residents across the community and very pleased to report that almost 00:43:00.080 --> 00:43:04.960 900 city of Denton residents did participate in that survey which we 00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:12.040 thought was a great turnout and then we did conduct a series of workshops with 00:43:12.040 --> 00:43:17.920 with the public that was really focused on helping them to understand not only 00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:21.800 where where the city of Denton is now with respect to solid waste management 00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:25.920 but more importantly where did the city of Denton want to go and into the future 00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:30.760 and so I'm going to share the results of that on the next slide but before I do 00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:36.200 that all the information as far as the results of the survey and then this this 00:43:36.200 --> 00:43:43.360 effort which was titled as a as a think tank summit are summarized in on a web 00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:48.400 page and in a report of which the website for that is listed at at the 00:43:48.400 --> 00:43:53.960 bottom of this slide it's not showing up super well but but it is there if you 00:43:53.960 --> 00:44:00.500 want to access that so in terms of the the stakeholder engagement outcomes a 00:44:00.500 --> 00:44:05.920 key part of that effort was to work with city of Denton residents and community 00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:10.600 members to ask them where do they want the city of Denton to be what's their 00:44:10.600 --> 00:44:16.440 vision for the future and what what we found as a part of that process was that 00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:20.320 in terms of the trajectory or the direction of that was that there was a 00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:26.640 strong preference for what the group described as has changed the future now 00:44:26.640 --> 00:44:32.200 so the context of that is we asked them to envision a future with different 00:44:32.200 --> 00:44:36.880 scenarios in terms of what would be the role of technology and policies as well 00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:42.860 as the importance of recycling reuse and reduction and there was a very clear 00:44:42.860 --> 00:44:47.840 direction that that there was a strong interest in change and so of the 00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:53.800 different categories of a future scenario the one that they picked was 00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:57.400 the one that was was the most progressive in terms of changing that 00:44:57.400 --> 00:45:02.680 the future and then the second bullet on that left-hand side communicates the the 00:45:02.680 --> 00:45:08.480 velocity in terms of how how quickly versus how far out in the future does 00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:12.760 the community want that to occur and based on the the responses from the 00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:18.900 survey there is definitely significant support for near-term action hence the 00:45:18.900 --> 00:45:24.600 change the future now perspective also we did talk with them about a number of 00:45:24.600 --> 00:45:28.800 solid waste management trends the top three ones are communicated here and 00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:32.880 you'll see those themes reflected in the various strategies that we'll talk about 00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:37.840 in just a few minutes in terms of recycling education the population 00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:41.960 growth that is occurring again not only here in the city but in surrounding 00:45:41.960 --> 00:45:46.480 communities and the impacts that that has not only on the landfill side but 00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:49.680 hopefully opportunities for for recycling and we're gonna hold off on 00:45:49.680 --> 00:45:53.240 questions until they get through the whole presentation this time because 00:45:53.240 --> 00:45:59.680 they're gonna get deeper dive is that yes yes if that would be okay and then 00:45:59.680 --> 00:46:05.680 the last trend identified here is is with regard to landfill capacity so the 00:46:05.680 --> 00:46:11.000 city had didn't as Brian just mentioned as has undergone recently efforts to 00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:14.640 increase the capacity of the landfill which from an infrastructure perspective 00:46:14.640 --> 00:46:19.720 is is very important but it still is a finite resource and so looking at how 00:46:19.720 --> 00:46:24.200 that should be effectively managed into the future is a key part of the strategy 00:46:24.200 --> 00:46:29.560 development effort so what I'll do now is is to walk through each of these 00:46:29.560 --> 00:46:34.920 strategies and individually and one of the key reasons for the request to to 00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:38.980 please hold the questions to the end is that a lot of these strategies are very 00:46:38.980 --> 00:46:44.080 much interrelated to each other so that some of the recommendations and one 00:46:44.080 --> 00:46:50.680 strategy will kind of rise up again under some of the other strategies so 00:46:50.680 --> 00:46:54.400 that you can see how they are interrelated so I'm going to go through 00:46:54.400 --> 00:46:59.920 each one of these individually at this point and so each of these next six 00:46:59.920 --> 00:47:05.160 slides are organized in the same manner it's where the the top of it just gives 00:47:05.160 --> 00:47:11.400 the background on what the strategy is and why it's important and then what we 00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:16.280 have identified as shown in the the green numbered items are the specific 00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:19.760 recommendations that are under consideration and at this point so 00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:24.960 again we are actively working on developing these at this point so again 00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:29.160 to the extent that you have questions or comments directions for us that would 00:47:29.160 --> 00:47:35.080 definitely be appreciated and then as shown with the blue magnifying glass 00:47:35.080 --> 00:47:39.640 that indicates what are going to be that the key performance indicators there will 00:47:39.640 --> 00:47:44.120 be some overlap amongst the different strategies whereas others will have 00:47:44.120 --> 00:47:50.400 their own unique key performance indicators or KPIs so as far as this 00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:56.400 this strategy here it's it's really all about efforts to enhance education 00:47:56.400 --> 00:48:03.520 outreach and and compliance the city of Denton does already have a very robust 00:48:03.520 --> 00:48:08.720 education and outreach efforts but from a strategy development perspective this 00:48:08.720 --> 00:48:15.920 is really critical because it there it gets just really so confusing out there 00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:21.040 in terms of what materials should go into what what places from a trash 00:48:21.040 --> 00:48:27.480 recycling and composting perspective and so to really focus in on that now and 00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:32.360 into the future is it's really going to be important to minimize the stuff that 00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:37.280 should not go into recycling carts which we call contamination as well as to 00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:43.480 increase sustainability efforts so the three key recommendations here are for 00:48:43.480 --> 00:48:49.360 the city to continue to collaborate with its recycling processor to understand 00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:54.200 how much of the material that can be recycled is is actually being recycled 00:48:54.200 --> 00:48:59.040 so if you think about aluminum cans plastic bottles paper that should be 00:48:59.040 --> 00:49:03.800 recycled how much of that is truly getting recycled as well as on the 00:49:03.800 --> 00:49:08.080 contamination side how much of the bad stuff is ending up in the in the wrong 00:49:08.080 --> 00:49:14.840 places and so by getting more robust in terms of that information the city can 00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:21.080 continue to target its education and outreach efforts in a data-driven manner 00:49:21.080 --> 00:49:25.800 to those audience that really need that information most effectively and then 00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:31.480 the third item is is to over time to look to incorporate incentives and into 00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:36.760 various compliance programs so I think the city very much wants to lead with 00:49:36.760 --> 00:49:41.240 with the carrot type of an approach but to the extent that after you have 00:49:41.240 --> 00:49:46.000 exhausted extensive education and outreach efforts there may be a need to 00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:53.640 look into compliance activities as well so the next strategy focuses on 00:49:53.640 --> 00:49:59.320 implementing innovative organics management so one of the things that we 00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:04.080 learned when we did the characterization work was how much organic material is 00:50:04.080 --> 00:50:09.800 is going into the city's landfill from really across all three of the different 00:50:09.800 --> 00:50:13.360 sectors that we evaluated so single-family and multifamily households 00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:19.000 as well as the the commercial sector so we talk about the city of Denton being 00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:24.000 very innovative I would say that these efforts on the organic side definitely 00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:30.960 speak to that so the first one is is an effort to pilot commercial organics 00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:36.760 composting or a co-digestion program at the Pecan Creek wastewater treatment 00:50:36.760 --> 00:50:42.840 plant so this this is a program that's looking to bring in material predominantly 00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:47.440 food waste from the commercial sector and to divert that so that it does not 00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:53.420 go into to the landfill with it being a new program that's being done on a pilot 00:50:53.420 --> 00:50:59.780 basis and then the second one is is to optimize a program that's already in 00:50:59.780 --> 00:51:04.560 place that accepts predominantly yard waste but there is an opportunity for 00:51:04.560 --> 00:51:09.720 residents to divert food scraps as as a part of that and so to optimize that 00:51:09.720 --> 00:51:15.480 that program as well so essentially on the organic side the city is looking at 00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:20.240 the continuation of a program that's already in place residentially but then 00:51:20.240 --> 00:51:23.920 recognizing that there is a very significant amount of material 00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:28.080 commercially out there and figuring out what's going to be the best way over 00:51:28.080 --> 00:51:35.240 time to divert that material on on the landfill side here the strategy is is to 00:51:35.240 --> 00:51:40.720 efficiently utilize utilize that landfill capacity and I think the the 00:51:40.720 --> 00:51:47.000 city is is really wise here to recognize that there are a number of benefits for 00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:52.040 the city to provide the use of the facility to neighboring communities but 00:51:52.040 --> 00:51:58.040 also a recognition that that there is a finite amount of capacity and then these 00:51:58.040 --> 00:52:03.120 issues to some extent are are somewhat magnified because some of the other 00:52:03.120 --> 00:52:07.920 landfills in the region are reaching capacity and so that's going to create 00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:13.320 further pressure on the Denton landfill in the future and so what we're 00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:21.440 recommending here is to continue to to utilize disposal contracts with third 00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:26.600 parties that want to utilize the the Denton landfill but this is probably the 00:52:26.600 --> 00:52:30.960 first time I think that anybody's ever thought of this idea but to offer 00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:37.000 somewhat better rates on disposal to the extent that those entities would 00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:42.280 participate more so in recycling and composting programs so that they really 00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:45.880 start to partner in to buy in with the city's broader efforts to divert 00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:52.000 materials and then the city does definitely benefit financially from 00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:56.960 these third-party times that come in to the landfill and is doing an effective 00:52:56.960 --> 00:53:01.800 job to pay off existing debt with that additional revenue but after that debt 00:53:01.800 --> 00:53:08.680 is retired the recommendation here is to establish a disposal contract revenue 00:53:08.680 --> 00:53:14.720 specialized fund that you utilize to stabilize your residential rates as well 00:53:14.720 --> 00:53:20.080 as to continue to fund diversion programs and then because landfill 00:53:20.080 --> 00:53:26.240 pricing is so dynamic the third aspect is is to conduct routine market studies 00:53:26.240 --> 00:53:33.760 to track landfill market pricing and to set rates accordingly again we have 00:53:33.760 --> 00:53:39.440 mentioned how much growth is is happening and so that's really important to think 00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:44.200 about with regard to planning for infrastructure it's it's been really 00:53:44.200 --> 00:53:48.560 interesting as we've had an opportunity to take a deeper dive to understand the 00:53:48.560 --> 00:53:52.960 potential development that's happening a little bit out out to the west with the 00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:57.520 Hunter Cole area because that's going to require some some very significant 00:53:57.520 --> 00:54:02.760 infrastructure planning not just for for solid waste but but across the city and 00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:08.920 so we are recommending that the idea of a transfer station which is a facility 00:54:08.920 --> 00:54:15.040 where trucks would go to drop off their material be considered and then that 00:54:15.040 --> 00:54:19.280 material is then aggregated into bigger trucks that then would go to either the 00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:26.640 landfill and or diversion facilities for organics and or or recycling but we are 00:54:26.640 --> 00:54:32.680 we also are saying this should only be constructed when certain minimum tonnage 00:54:32.680 --> 00:54:37.080 thresholds are achieved so that the facility can be operationally and 00:54:37.080 --> 00:54:43.160 cost-effective there's also under item number two a trend and we're seeing this 00:54:43.160 --> 00:54:48.920 not only in Denton but but really cities all across Texas and that is for single 00:54:48.920 --> 00:54:53.220 family housing units to be built differently today and in the future than 00:54:53.220 --> 00:54:58.320 now they have been historically in terms of you know typically smaller lot sizes 00:54:58.320 --> 00:55:03.480 so more compact development yeah exactly yeah which which on one hand is is great 00:55:03.480 --> 00:55:08.200 but our point here is that you just got to make sure that city policies allow 00:55:08.200 --> 00:55:13.760 for those new home styles to be properly serviced by the city and in the future 00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:19.460 and then recognizing under number three how important not only the the single 00:55:19.460 --> 00:55:24.960 family sector is but also on the multifamily commercial and as it is more 00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:30.360 construction occurs C&D stands for construction demolition materials to 00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:35.400 look to further customize diversion incentives for those different sectors 00:55:35.400 --> 00:55:41.040 as well so optimizing recycling processing is going to be a really 00:55:41.040 --> 00:55:47.760 important strategy so the city of Denton does have just like many communities and 00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:52.840 in Texas challenges with the wrong type of stuff making its way into the 00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:58.040 recycling system and so based on the results of the characterization study 00:55:58.040 --> 00:56:02.040 that I mentioned because we looked at not only the the trash side but also 00:56:02.040 --> 00:56:05.680 recycling and so we have an understanding of what's the the bad stuff 00:56:05.680 --> 00:56:10.480 that's going into the recycling stream and then also conduct talking with staff 00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:16.040 as well as the the recycling company that processes the city's material is to 00:56:16.040 --> 00:56:20.800 make a very concerted efforts to identify what those materials are and 00:56:20.800 --> 00:56:27.200 what is the more appropriate way for that material to be diverted so believe 00:56:27.200 --> 00:56:31.720 it or not a lot of clothing or textiles can make their way into a recycling 00:56:31.720 --> 00:56:35.880 system so there's lots of great opportunities to otherwise divert that 00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:39.600 material and so here it's connecting those those points to be able to 00:56:39.600 --> 00:56:43.400 communicate that as part of those education and outreach efforts that I 00:56:43.400 --> 00:56:49.360 mentioned earlier the city does have you know when when Brian mentioned coming 00:56:49.360 --> 00:56:54.080 out for the 50 cent tour may cost you a buck if you also check out that the 00:56:54.080 --> 00:56:59.080 recycling facility that's out there but it is co located out at the out of the 00:56:59.080 --> 00:57:03.680 landfill complex and that was an innovative approach that the city put in 00:57:03.680 --> 00:57:11.000 place with the recycling company and so that that agreement does have about five 00:57:11.000 --> 00:57:15.520 years left on that and so we are working with the city in terms of developing 00:57:15.520 --> 00:57:21.400 what the strategy could be for the next five years and and beyond we think that 00:57:21.400 --> 00:57:26.680 there is on one hand a lot of value to see the extent to which that facility or 00:57:26.680 --> 00:57:31.200 the city could continue that relationship with that company but also 00:57:31.200 --> 00:57:36.920 as we talk about the need to look at servicing the community on a broader 00:57:36.920 --> 00:57:42.040 perspective there may be a need to expand that facility as well and there 00:57:42.040 --> 00:57:47.480 are several other cities and kind of in the northern part of the north central 00:57:47.480 --> 00:57:53.080 Texas planning region that are also very much focused on increasing recycling and 00:57:53.080 --> 00:57:57.480 and want to be innovative in terms of having the right types of processing 00:57:57.480 --> 00:58:01.720 facilities and so city of Denton may be in a good position in the next couple 00:58:01.720 --> 00:58:08.120 years to either look to expand the existing facility and or partner with 00:58:08.120 --> 00:58:13.800 other communities in the area so then the the last strategy that that we're 00:58:13.800 --> 00:58:19.120 talking about this morning is is the need to support combination of new 00:58:19.120 --> 00:58:25.000 markets and and to leverage partnerships the really good news here is so much of 00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:29.800 this or efforts that are already underway but from a long-term strategy 00:58:29.800 --> 00:58:33.920 development perspective it's really important to keep the focus on these 00:58:33.920 --> 00:58:38.520 efforts so this starts with continued coordination with other city 00:58:38.520 --> 00:58:44.400 departments in the areas of sustainable procurement in terms of green purchasing 00:58:44.400 --> 00:58:52.120 efforts requirements that will be put in place possibly initially for city 00:58:52.120 --> 00:58:56.360 buildings in terms of green building requirements but that could look to be 00:58:56.360 --> 00:59:02.240 expanded beyond that if the city chooses to do so and then just recognizing that 00:59:02.240 --> 00:59:06.720 people should hopefully have an opportunity to recycle material not 00:59:06.720 --> 00:59:10.040 only at their homes and businesses but also when they're out in the Denton 00:59:10.040 --> 00:59:15.320 community from a public space recycling perspective there there's already 00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:20.960 extensive efforts with the school district but coming out of the 00:59:20.960 --> 00:59:25.760 challenges with with Kovac there's also a number of opportunities to really 00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:30.240 specifically get back into the classrooms and to better leverage those 00:59:30.240 --> 00:59:37.000 those partnerships with DISD as well as other local nonprofits for additional 00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:43.640 diversion and community benefits such as food donations and then we talked earlier 00:59:43.640 --> 00:59:51.320 about the idea of contracting with other local governments and to create 00:59:51.320 --> 00:59:56.160 incentives on the programs that they put in place if they want to bring their 00:59:56.160 --> 01:00:01.440 their landfill material to the city and to create incentives for them to also do 01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:06.040 more from a recycling and composting perspective but City of Denton also 01:00:06.040 --> 01:00:11.120 serves a really important need and not only for it for the city but also the 01:00:11.120 --> 01:00:17.080 kind of the Denton County region and that is to provide services for the 01:00:17.080 --> 01:00:24.720 management of household chemicals and that's a pretty unique service the City 01:00:24.720 --> 01:00:28.960 of Denton is the only one in Denton County that offers that and so we think 01:00:28.960 --> 01:00:33.200 that's a really good opportunity for the city to coordinate with those other 01:00:33.200 --> 01:00:38.460 local governments to expand those efforts and not to limit that to the 01:00:38.460 --> 01:00:43.760 household chemical collection but also on the landfill and other diversion 01:00:43.760 --> 01:00:48.680 aspects so I appreciate your your patience and letting me go through the 01:00:48.680 --> 01:00:53.440 the presentation but with that we'll be happy to answer any questions that you 01:00:53.440 --> 01:00:58.800 may have for us. Thank you all right we'll start on that and Mr. Beck you go 01:00:58.800 --> 01:01:04.120 first well I'm sure everybody has a question. Thank you for your 01:01:04.120 --> 01:01:10.280 presentation one of the things that struck me and there's studies and 01:01:10.280 --> 01:01:16.320 commentary out there about that are objective and some subjective about 01:01:16.320 --> 01:01:21.400 recycling plastics is that going to be a problem for us I mean the use of 01:01:21.400 --> 01:01:25.640 plastics is extensive I would hate to see us not be able to recycle those 01:01:25.640 --> 01:01:30.520 things but right are you running into particular problems about this and could 01:01:30.520 --> 01:01:35.160 you kind of sure no that's that's a great question and thank you for 01:01:35.160 --> 01:01:40.440 bringing that up yeah so with plastics there's there's all different types of 01:01:40.440 --> 01:01:47.920 plastics right and so some plastics are very easy to recycle and recycling 01:01:47.920 --> 01:01:52.800 facilities have been constructed to process those materials and those 01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:57.240 materials are actually extremely valuable so that would include your 01:01:57.240 --> 01:02:06.320 water and soda bottles as well as detergent and milk containers as well 01:02:06.320 --> 01:02:11.440 but where things get have gotten a little bit more challenging is so many 01:02:11.440 --> 01:02:16.480 other types of plastics that have become so much more common in packaging over 01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:24.000 the last few years so yogurt cups kind of the black plastic that you see so 01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:28.560 often and to-go food containers so those those are the plastics that are that are 01:02:28.560 --> 01:02:32.160 really challenging and in the ones that when you see things and in the news that 01:02:32.160 --> 01:02:36.280 that are out there but there are some some technology developments that are 01:02:36.280 --> 01:02:40.480 occurring that will hopefully allow for those materials to be recycled in the 01:02:40.480 --> 01:02:45.160 future but they have had several challenges with their recyclability 01:02:45.160 --> 01:02:54.000 challenging how well okay one of the biggest sectors also that that nobody 01:02:54.000 --> 01:02:58.480 across the nation right now is looking at is plastic film you know you buy a 01:02:58.480 --> 01:03:03.800 case of water at Sam's and basically it's just water bottles companies plastic 01:03:03.800 --> 01:03:07.960 around it you bring home that t-shirt bag from the grocery store and the state 01:03:07.960 --> 01:03:11.920 law will not allow us to ban those from state of Texas so you know or for our 01:03:11.920 --> 01:03:16.340 use you know everything comes in some has some sort of plastic film on it and 01:03:16.340 --> 01:03:21.520 and because of the the characteristic of the film it's not recyclable it basically 01:03:21.520 --> 01:03:25.640 tears the plant apart so I think that that's a wonderful opportunity somewhere 01:03:25.640 --> 01:03:29.680 we've got to again you know we're trying to think inside that the Denton box how 01:03:29.680 --> 01:03:34.360 do we go about managing that sector of plastic also into something that can be 01:03:34.360 --> 01:03:37.840 beneficially reused so not only the plastics that we see as containers 01:03:37.840 --> 01:03:41.400 yogurt cups water bottles things of that nature but the things that that are 01:03:41.400 --> 01:03:45.240 technically plastic that we don't consider plastic right now as far as 01:03:45.240 --> 01:03:48.920 recycling program so it's a much broader question than what we originally 01:03:48.920 --> 01:03:56.080 consider is this recyclable yes it is okay we would prefer that it be clean 01:03:56.080 --> 01:04:00.000 dry and empty and the cap beyond when you drop it in your container keep the 01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:04.840 cap on and the reason being is when the cap is off and we compact it in the in 01:04:04.840 --> 01:04:10.680 the trash compact or in the in the truck basically becomes flat and so as it's 01:04:10.680 --> 01:04:14.360 going through the Murph the the machinery in there reads it as a piece 01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:18.640 of paper or cardboard because it's so flat by keeping the the cap on it it 01:04:18.640 --> 01:04:22.020 creates a third dimension on it and we're able to pull that out as plastic 01:04:22.020 --> 01:04:26.360 as opposed to contaminating the bale of paper that has been a little confusing 01:04:26.360 --> 01:04:32.720 for some people trust me thank you all right mr. right back your turn yes I had 01:04:32.720 --> 01:04:39.480 a question earlier on you had mentioned a survey early on in your presentation I 01:04:39.480 --> 01:04:45.440 may have missed the framing of that survey who was surveyed where it came 01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:48.280 from when it was done that sort of thing could you give us a little background 01:04:48.280 --> 01:04:54.200 sure yeah no no of course happy to do that so that was a survey that was 01:04:54.200 --> 01:05:00.600 focused on getting an understanding of how important did city of Denton 01:05:00.600 --> 01:05:07.800 residents consider 18 different drivers of change that focused on a variety of 01:05:07.800 --> 01:05:14.360 landfill and other recycling types of topics and so that was publicized through 01:05:14.360 --> 01:05:19.200 various city city channels and like I did mention city got what I what we 01:05:19.200 --> 01:05:25.800 thought was a very strong and positive response rate to that and show this as 01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:29.520 as a slide but it's one that we could certainly get to if you want to see it 01:05:29.520 --> 01:05:34.240 but one of the most interesting things that we saw about that was the 01:05:34.240 --> 01:05:40.320 distribution in terms of ages was relatively evenly distributed across the 01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:45.920 different age groups within the city so that was very indicative to us that it 01:05:45.920 --> 01:05:52.000 was a very positive response rate and it lined up also perfectly in terms of the 01:05:52.000 --> 01:06:00.640 interest in changing efforts was what was more pronounced the younger the 01:06:00.640 --> 01:06:04.400 people are here in the city of Denton and so that you know I think that also 01:06:04.400 --> 01:06:09.200 speaks to you know future generations that are you know really come in coming 01:06:09.200 --> 01:06:13.320 into play now in terms of you know raising families and working here in 01:06:13.320 --> 01:06:16.880 Denton you know really to some extent leading the charge in terms of that 01:06:16.880 --> 01:06:20.960 whole change the future now perspective how many respondents were there to the 01:06:20.960 --> 01:06:25.560 service just short of eight short of nine hundred I think was eight eighty 01:06:25.560 --> 01:06:36.000 three okay thank you all right mr. jumper okay so you had one of the points was 01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:41.480 talking about organics management and diverting it sounded like mostly food 01:06:41.480 --> 01:06:45.600 waste to be processed differently I was curious how will that be processed what 01:06:45.600 --> 01:06:51.920 does that mean exactly so on the there's a couple of different potential options 01:06:51.920 --> 01:06:57.960 for that will be considered as a part of the pilot program is for that material 01:06:57.960 --> 01:07:03.040 to be taken to the pecan Creek wastewater treatment plant and then there 01:07:03.040 --> 01:07:07.600 actually will be a piece of equipment that the city's in the process of 01:07:07.600 --> 01:07:14.000 purchasing it's called a macerator yeah macerator so kind of like a huge garbage 01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:18.520 disposal right so it'll it'll really tear up that material so that it can 01:07:18.520 --> 01:07:25.560 then go into the anaerobic digestion processing so that's that's one one one 01:07:25.560 --> 01:07:31.040 option that is being considered and then the other is that as a part of its 01:07:31.040 --> 01:07:36.240 recent permitting efforts on the landfill side the city could also if it 01:07:36.240 --> 01:07:41.520 would have an interest in doing so also include food scraps as a part of future 01:07:41.520 --> 01:07:48.520 composting efforts you know in addition to the back end manager of this I think 01:07:48.520 --> 01:07:52.320 we're also be focusing on the front end management of this I mean guy walks into 01:07:52.320 --> 01:07:55.400 the doctor's office and says doctor doctor it hurts when I do this and the 01:07:55.400 --> 01:07:59.660 answer is don't do that you know part of it is we have to figure out how not to 01:07:59.660 --> 01:08:02.960 make food waste are we purchasing the right amounts are we cooking the right 01:08:02.960 --> 01:08:06.640 amount so your mom always said clean your plate so we want to make sure none 01:08:06.640 --> 01:08:10.080 of that's going in you know if we if we can figure out how to manage that on the 01:08:10.080 --> 01:08:13.800 front end that we don't have to make compost on the back end and again you 01:08:13.800 --> 01:08:16.800 know the really good way about managing this potentially through the anaerobic 01:08:16.800 --> 01:08:21.320 digesters again many of y'all weren't on the the board when we started this 01:08:21.320 --> 01:08:28.020 process a year ago but you know we we we generate landfill gas at the at the city 01:08:28.020 --> 01:08:31.560 of landfill what we want to do is go ahead and couple that with the gas that's 01:08:31.560 --> 01:08:36.240 created the anaerobic digester we're in the final phases of looking at a contract 01:08:36.240 --> 01:08:40.560 and hiring a company that actually grab that gas create pipeline grade quality 01:08:40.560 --> 01:08:45.720 and pay us for it to the tune of considerable amounts of money that way 01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:50.600 you know we can you know put that into the as green renewable gas you know into 01:08:50.600 --> 01:08:55.080 that the utmost pipeline and then on the back end manage that in our existing 01:08:55.080 --> 01:08:59.480 beneficial reuse program so again one we're using existing infrastructure to 01:08:59.480 --> 01:09:03.280 we're using existing program how much does it cost for us to spin up that 01:09:03.280 --> 01:09:08.140 program zero dollars but again we're we've got that synergy that's into a 01:09:08.140 --> 01:09:12.440 fact in effect so again you know doing things just a little bit different but 01:09:12.440 --> 01:09:15.500 again at the end of the day you know meeting our sustainability goes but 01:09:15.500 --> 01:09:18.220 making it cost-effective and environmentally friendly for the 01:09:18.220 --> 01:09:24.920 citizens of city of Denton all right mr. cheek your turn okay I got a couple of 01:09:24.920 --> 01:09:32.080 categories here and I will admit that I didn't hit every backup link that you 01:09:32.080 --> 01:09:39.760 put in here so it may be in here did you address in this your your pavement 01:09:39.760 --> 01:09:45.740 recycling asphalt and concrete at all we have not and the reason being is there's 01:09:45.740 --> 01:09:50.200 significant third-party opportunities out there city of Denton doesn't need to 01:09:50.200 --> 01:09:54.200 be in a third-party business so if we can find you know recyclers out there 01:09:54.200 --> 01:09:58.680 that have you know operations that can manage that material then as part of our 01:09:58.680 --> 01:10:02.000 program it's education and outreach you've got brick you got asphalt you've 01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:05.840 got concrete that needs to be these are the people you want to go with not city 01:10:05.840 --> 01:10:09.240 of Denton you don't have contracts anymore to crush concrete we do not we 01:10:09.240 --> 01:10:12.360 have not crushed in probably three years and so you refuse to take it as we 01:10:12.360 --> 01:10:17.720 refuse to take it at this you know we do accept some small amounts of millings and 01:10:17.720 --> 01:10:21.900 such into our landfill to help us with the interior roads but again we're not 01:10:21.900 --> 01:10:25.880 doing it for profit we're not you know investing that effort and then turning 01:10:25.880 --> 01:10:29.160 around we were losing close to a million and a half dollars a year as a result of 01:10:29.160 --> 01:10:33.880 that process and that didn't make any sense whatsoever you know that it's in 01:10:33.880 --> 01:10:39.800 the news right now that there's trouble having permits for third parties to even 01:10:39.800 --> 01:10:44.000 make this process correct you know and so as part of this you know we may end 01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:47.800 up you know contracting with somebody that you know we help them with permitting 01:10:47.800 --> 01:10:51.080 or something along the way but I think that that's the bigger thought that we 01:10:51.080 --> 01:10:54.680 have to look at from for regionalization standpoint that's a great idea if you 01:10:54.680 --> 01:10:58.960 can get that sold yeah difficult to get that sold though thank you next next 01:10:58.960 --> 01:11:02.400 question I had I know I've brought this up before is part of the study going to 01:11:02.400 --> 01:11:07.640 come out with maybe at least one line item that says if we were to refuse 01:11:07.640 --> 01:11:13.840 third parties waste into our landfills what would that cost the current the 01:11:13.840 --> 01:11:19.280 existing Denton ratepayers it may not be that overt but there will be a 01:11:19.280 --> 01:11:24.000 significant discussion about what the value of that material is coming in and 01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:28.680 what it means as we look at funding programs in the future I mean none of 01:11:28.680 --> 01:11:32.960 this is free City of Denton right now enjoys one of the lowest rates in the 01:11:32.960 --> 01:11:37.720 entire city in the entire state of Texas with regard to its fairly robust 01:11:37.720 --> 01:11:42.080 delivery and as we start adding stuff on we got to find ways to pay for it comes 01:11:42.080 --> 01:11:46.800 from one or two places either from the residents pockets or some innovative 01:11:46.800 --> 01:11:51.280 third party and if we can figure out that that management way I mean back in 01:11:51.280 --> 01:11:54.640 the olden days you know you're a sustenance farmer you grew for yourself 01:11:54.640 --> 01:11:57.680 you had seed corn and then you grew just a little bit extra that you could 01:11:57.680 --> 01:12:01.240 barter with the guy down at the store sell to a neighbor this or that and 01:12:01.240 --> 01:12:04.320 that's kind of what we're looking for that little bit extra that will help 01:12:04.320 --> 01:12:11.320 contain those costs helps ensure some some financial security and reliability 01:12:11.320 --> 01:12:16.200 but then also you know control the rates that were that were charging right and 01:12:16.200 --> 01:12:20.040 I know you know what why I'm talking about that because what is the cost now 01:12:20.040 --> 01:12:25.800 versus when we lose our landfill exactly so exactly but again you know if as Scott 01:12:25.800 --> 01:12:29.760 was saying you know bigger picture if we can you know have some third-party 01:12:29.760 --> 01:12:34.400 contracts but provide some financial operational incentives to give them just 01:12:34.400 --> 01:12:37.920 a little bit lower rate to divert a little bit more than at the end of the 01:12:37.920 --> 01:12:42.920 day our six-year facility may become an 80 85 100 year facility you know 01:12:42.920 --> 01:12:45.840 everybody in this room will be gone by then but they'll be thanking us for 01:12:45.840 --> 01:12:49.680 being as innovative and thought forward thinking trying to ensure that that's 01:12:49.680 --> 01:12:52.800 that will happen yeah and I like the fact that again that you're working with 01:12:52.800 --> 01:12:59.160 other city departments because obviously they're they're all be affected and and 01:12:59.160 --> 01:13:03.720 then they can contribute to especially on the the paving products recycling so 01:13:03.720 --> 01:13:07.080 okay thank you 01:13:07.080 --> 01:13:15.680 thank you madam chair so this is a big shift from the last comprehensive solid 01:13:15.680 --> 01:13:24.400 waste plan I I'm I was trying to align the previous one to the current one and 01:13:24.400 --> 01:13:34.640 I don't know I'm having trouble even just even their entire sections that 01:13:34.640 --> 01:13:40.680 don't that don't no longer exist I guess would be how to say it the the survey 01:13:40.680 --> 01:13:46.720 overwhelmingly returned that we want to use technology to ease transition I 01:13:46.720 --> 01:13:52.480 think there was a fair amount of interest in zero waste which I believe 01:13:52.480 --> 01:13:58.760 the city of Denton landfill had been looking toward and was was actually part 01:13:58.760 --> 01:14:03.640 of like the zero waste alliance maybe ten years ago and that's all gone 01:14:03.640 --> 01:14:11.360 completely removed there was you know previously there were a focus on third 01:14:11.360 --> 01:14:20.400 party partnerships at the landfill it was to to inset you know improve the 01:14:20.400 --> 01:14:25.880 recycling services fine you know the biodiesel facility it's no longer there 01:14:25.880 --> 01:14:35.920 the waste landfill ELR to waste gas to electric generation that we paid about 01:14:35.920 --> 01:14:43.000 two hundred sixty thousand dollars to a company to remove a few months ago you 01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:47.560 know there was also talk of other other forms of diversion the construction 01:14:47.560 --> 01:14:53.080 demolition waste you know that that entire program was canceled and it was 01:14:53.080 --> 01:15:00.680 it was costing money at the time but in the in place of that you know we'll 01:15:00.680 --> 01:15:04.640 we'll give you the card we'll give you the phone number of a company that takes 01:15:04.640 --> 01:15:09.520 construction waste well I can't show up with a pickup truckload of lumber and 01:15:09.520 --> 01:15:15.760 shingles to the place down off you know on 35 they won't accept it you know I 01:15:15.760 --> 01:15:23.160 have to be I have to be a construction scale customer to use those facilities 01:15:23.160 --> 01:15:28.480 so if we go to the landfill on any given Thursday afternoon a quarter to a third 01:15:28.480 --> 01:15:32.880 of the vehicles are small construction waste you know there's a lot of two by 01:15:32.880 --> 01:15:38.080 fours and sheetrock and maybe some concrete and other just building 01:15:38.080 --> 01:15:47.800 materials we're we're and that decreases our diversion rate we're land filling 01:15:47.800 --> 01:15:54.440 that stuff instead of selling the scrap wood for cement kiln fuel or other kind 01:15:54.440 --> 01:16:00.960 of you know perhaps composting those scrap that scrap wood if it's not 01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:08.160 treated of course it could go in our in our yard waste composting we're no 01:16:08.160 --> 01:16:12.640 longer taking oil private companies are taking oil but then a lot more oil ends 01:16:12.640 --> 01:16:16.480 up like vegetable oil like food oil so we are currently taking vegetable oh you 01:16:16.480 --> 01:16:19.480 are okay we've never stopped taking that but where does that where does that it 01:16:19.480 --> 01:16:22.600 goes to our home chemical collection facility and then it goes to a biodiesel 01:16:22.600 --> 01:16:26.280 recycler okay all right that's good to hear because I hadn't heard anything 01:16:26.280 --> 01:16:33.880 about that and so I worry that our stated goal from our citizens and our 01:16:33.880 --> 01:16:41.000 you know focus group is technology which is efficiency and ease of use which the 01:16:41.000 --> 01:16:45.520 goal is to reduce the friction to do the right thing to make it where recycling 01:16:45.520 --> 01:16:49.800 is automatic you don't have to think hard about it you don't have to do a 01:16:49.800 --> 01:16:57.000 lot of work to do the right thing you don't have to you know more having more 01:16:57.000 --> 01:17:00.440 recycling drop-off facilities I know they're they're challenging for the 01:17:00.440 --> 01:17:05.560 pickup aspect around Christmas they get or any major shopping season they get 01:17:05.560 --> 01:17:10.600 overfilled you know and they kind of create litter but when we begin to 01:17:10.600 --> 01:17:18.760 remove those now that that stuff ends up in trash cans or it ends up you know 01:17:18.760 --> 01:17:23.400 dumped alongside of the road or things like that so we have this we need to 01:17:23.400 --> 01:17:31.360 there might be things that are laborious but that decrease the friction for 01:17:31.360 --> 01:17:37.000 citizens and companies and so forth to to do the right thing it might be easier 01:17:37.000 --> 01:17:43.200 to landfill the small construction waste that hits that reaches the landfill but 01:17:43.200 --> 01:17:48.760 that uses airspace that shortens the life of the landfill there isn't really 01:17:48.760 --> 01:17:53.600 any other diversion choice for somebody with a pickup truckload of you know 01:17:53.600 --> 01:18:02.520 small construction waste you know that other examples glass textiles home 01:18:02.520 --> 01:18:06.520 furnishings at one point there was like a lot of that stuff ends up at the 01:18:06.520 --> 01:18:12.520 landfill just because you know there the friction to getting it somewhere else is 01:18:12.520 --> 01:18:22.240 high and I really feel like we're missing the opportunity in this plan to 01:18:22.240 --> 01:18:28.520 to implement that vision of a low friction ease of use high technology 01:18:28.520 --> 01:18:34.360 partnerships with third parties for perhaps glass recycling or home 01:18:34.360 --> 01:18:40.360 furnishing textile diversion there's a lot of land at the landfill and it'd be 01:18:40.360 --> 01:18:45.160 pretty easy to do a 20 year lease with a facility or a 10 year lease or a five 01:18:45.160 --> 01:18:51.440 year lease kind of like with Pratt our recycling facility to allow to lower the 01:18:51.440 --> 01:18:57.840 cost of maybe a glass recycler or home furnishing you know reuse center or 01:18:57.840 --> 01:19:04.360 something along those lines and I don't I don't see even where it fits like we 01:19:04.360 --> 01:19:06.640 even when we talk about efficiently using our landfill we're talking about 01:19:06.640 --> 01:19:12.440 like making it where Louisville has to recycle all that helps but I really want 01:19:12.440 --> 01:19:20.160 us to more holistically look at all of the diversion possibilities and you know 01:19:20.160 --> 01:19:25.960 the the friction and the friction points that prevent diversion from happening 01:19:25.960 --> 01:19:29.440 well and I think you've hit the nail right on the head and I agree with every 01:19:29.440 --> 01:19:33.600 single point you said yeah we've had you know solid waste management plans in the 01:19:33.600 --> 01:19:39.260 past and we were going towards solid zero waste the issue with that is they're 01:19:39.260 --> 01:19:44.400 very static and the minute we start diverting markets change this you know 01:19:44.400 --> 01:19:48.440 something external happens to it we start forcing it it becomes expensive it 01:19:48.440 --> 01:19:52.280 becomes you know under responsive and as a result we're spending a lot of money 01:19:52.280 --> 01:19:56.280 for very little result what we're proposing here is a solid waste 01:19:56.280 --> 01:20:00.480 management strategy not a plan so what allows us to do is be a little more 01:20:00.480 --> 01:20:05.720 limber a little more nimble to be able to affect exactly what you're talking 01:20:05.720 --> 01:20:10.080 about much smaller scale much smaller programs to affect not only the large 01:20:10.080 --> 01:20:14.400 community in general but really the mom and pop who may have that sofa that's 01:20:14.400 --> 01:20:19.040 still good we don't want to throw it into into the trash so we create some 01:20:19.040 --> 01:20:22.640 sort of third-party your opportunity that allows us to get that out of the 01:20:22.640 --> 01:20:27.200 waste stream so again that's what you what you succinctly tried to identify 01:20:27.200 --> 01:20:31.960 there is that is the very reason we're going with the strategy versus a plan I 01:20:31.960 --> 01:20:36.840 just spent four days in Florida with a thousand of the the top solid waste 01:20:36.840 --> 01:20:41.080 directors across the nation at the solid at waste con basically it's you know all 01:20:41.080 --> 01:20:46.120 garbage all the time in four days I heard the term zero waste one time and 01:20:46.120 --> 01:20:50.680 it was in a negative capacity only because everybody who's had zero waste 01:20:50.680 --> 01:20:55.880 goals which in reality are 50 60 70 percent diversion talk about really 01:20:55.880 --> 01:20:59.480 having to push those goals out because they won't meet them they're arbitrary 01:20:59.480 --> 01:21:02.440 and there's really only one number they're trying to chase if you noticed 01:21:02.440 --> 01:21:06.280 in each of our KPIs we had our key performance indicators we had five or 01:21:06.280 --> 01:21:09.720 six different things that we're going to be monitoring one may go up one may go 01:21:09.720 --> 01:21:13.840 down but all these things to find the goal the term that we were using was 01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:19.200 circular economy linear injunctions you know exclusions things of that 01:21:19.200 --> 01:21:22.600 nature and that's really what the concept is behind the strategy so that 01:21:22.600 --> 01:21:27.960 we can look much bigger and be able to more efficiently manage the health and 01:21:27.960 --> 01:21:32.720 the direction in a much quicker manner than than what traditional solid waste 01:21:32.720 --> 01:21:36.640 management plans and zero waste plans have in fact so again I appreciate you 01:21:36.640 --> 01:21:41.120 you picking up on that but you know that's where we're going to be going 01:21:41.120 --> 01:21:45.400 again you know and again that the first part of that you know you're sort of 01:21:45.400 --> 01:21:49.200 seeing it here four or five months before before it in so we appreciate 01:21:49.200 --> 01:21:52.800 you're bringing up those things but these are the strategies so that that 01:21:52.800 --> 01:21:56.680 when we get this final document first part of next year it will include some 01:21:56.680 --> 01:22:01.560 of those key points and programs that we may want to be considering first and 01:22:01.560 --> 01:22:04.280 foremost from a sustainability standpoint but from a cost and 01:22:04.280 --> 01:22:09.880 environmental impact standpoint also thank you thank you my turn I first a 01:22:09.880 --> 01:22:16.000 couple comments I love the KPIs I can't prove what you can't measure and the 01:22:16.000 --> 01:22:21.720 conversation around reduce don't create in the first time then reuse it give 01:22:21.720 --> 01:22:26.680 that sofa to the college student who's moving into an apartment and you know 01:22:26.680 --> 01:22:29.840 and your blender and your margarita machine whatever you know every college 01:22:29.840 --> 01:22:34.240 kid needs one of those yeah and then start recycling the things that are 01:22:34.240 --> 01:22:38.880 recycling and that goes right back to that whole education piece the food 01:22:38.880 --> 01:22:44.000 waste I'm really interested in that like how much of that food waste that 01:22:44.000 --> 01:22:50.440 restaurants are creating is gonna go into organics and how much can go to our 01:22:50.440 --> 01:22:55.640 daily bread to feed the people who need to be fed well you know and I know 01:22:55.640 --> 01:22:59.680 that's in your strategy so I'm applauding you on part of the strategy 01:22:59.680 --> 01:23:03.980 on that is not a solid waste discussion at all it's a risk management discussion 01:23:03.980 --> 01:23:07.760 you know taking food that the hotel may have had left over from a banquet and 01:23:07.760 --> 01:23:12.200 giving it to our daily bread you know there is a risk piece to that there is 01:23:12.200 --> 01:23:15.880 and until we get over that hill that will never happen if we can cross that 01:23:15.880 --> 01:23:20.080 hill and all of a sudden we've we've eliminated a huge sector of waste and 01:23:20.080 --> 01:23:25.000 it's been done I can tell you the community has been done it but and then 01:23:25.000 --> 01:23:30.240 last plastics have a huge BTU content is there any way we could use that somehow 01:23:30.240 --> 01:23:36.960 to create energy electricity you know there probably is and and you know 01:23:36.960 --> 01:23:40.280 whether it's sending it to cement kiln for heat or you know setting up some 01:23:40.280 --> 01:23:44.760 sort of waste energy plant here but you know Terry and his and Tony and his crew 01:23:44.760 --> 01:23:48.280 they do a wonderful job with our renewable portfolio so I'm not sure if 01:23:48.280 --> 01:23:54.120 they want to spin up another facility but again you know that they do you know it 01:23:54.120 --> 01:23:57.840 does have a large you know BTU value but at the end of the day there's still ash 01:23:57.840 --> 01:24:01.920 and other components of that that has to go to a landfill so you know just 01:24:01.920 --> 01:24:05.840 burning it doesn't get rid of it yep absolutely 01:24:10.280 --> 01:24:15.800 question from mr. Beck in terms of those will value plastics so like the the film 01:24:15.800 --> 01:24:21.760 example or the because it's just it's combination of just like I mean just 01:24:21.760 --> 01:24:25.120 start to collect all the various film that that you generated in your 01:24:25.120 --> 01:24:30.120 household and it's a lot of it and so part of what we'll be addressing in this 01:24:30.120 --> 01:24:34.200 strategy is you know first and foremost is you can just take that material right 01:24:34.200 --> 01:24:39.480 back to the grocery store for that to be recycled but to the extent that that 01:24:39.480 --> 01:24:46.280 does end up in the recycling system and can be diverted there's actually our 01:24:46.280 --> 01:24:52.140 efforts underway that that's been termed quote advanced recycling it was initially 01:24:52.140 --> 01:24:57.640 chemical recycling but the whole idea there is to take low-value recyclable 01:24:57.640 --> 01:25:02.960 materials to put those through nada not an incineration process but a heating 01:25:02.960 --> 01:25:07.260 process where you change the the structure of those plastics and to turn 01:25:07.260 --> 01:25:12.540 those into into new plastics so that that's something that our 01:25:12.540 --> 01:25:17.340 understanding is that there are at least a couple of facilities that are in the 01:25:17.340 --> 01:25:21.660 development and or construction phase right now so we may see some of those 01:25:21.660 --> 01:25:26.600 coming online in the next few years and I like the strategy because it's a 01:25:26.600 --> 01:25:32.920 strategy it's fluid correct you know and just springboarding off what Scott just 01:25:32.920 --> 01:25:37.640 said you know therein lies the economic development piece of the environmental 01:25:37.640 --> 01:25:41.720 strategy or the solid waste strategy if we can regionalize and get enough of 01:25:41.720 --> 01:25:45.960 that type of plastic here then now we want now one of the firms that is doing 01:25:45.960 --> 01:25:50.000 this type of pyrolysis or chemical plastic conversion they want to be in 01:25:50.000 --> 01:25:53.040 Denton and they're gonna come here and they're gonna buy property and they're 01:25:53.040 --> 01:25:57.160 gonna pay tax and they're gonna create jobs and then we're gonna have firms 01:25:57.160 --> 01:26:01.840 come in that want that plastic or that that intermediate to produce material so 01:26:01.840 --> 01:26:06.900 again it's a whole circular economy built around just thinking strategically 01:26:06.900 --> 01:26:12.040 about what we do with our trash did somebody have another hand up no just 01:26:12.040 --> 01:26:17.440 okay go ahead well it seems like this discussion about film there's quite a 01:26:17.440 --> 01:26:21.440 bit of it and I think in this era of having everything shipped to your home 01:26:21.440 --> 01:26:26.800 everything is wrapped in some form of thin light plastic even if it's a bag 01:26:26.800 --> 01:26:33.640 inside of an envelope or the envelope is a bag of thin plastic film so it seems 01:26:33.640 --> 01:26:38.040 like we are creating more of this than ever and yet it I didn't realize it was 01:26:38.040 --> 01:26:44.200 causing a problem at the at the other end so is there any effort afoot to for 01:26:44.200 --> 01:26:48.000 these companies like Amazon and others who are shipping virtually everything 01:26:48.000 --> 01:26:52.680 to us as consumers is there anything afoot for them to change how they're 01:26:52.680 --> 01:26:57.480 packaging those deliveries you know there are nationwide discussions going on 01:26:57.480 --> 01:27:02.920 right now but the extent of those discussions I'm not sure where we are on 01:27:02.920 --> 01:27:06.840 that but again that that is a concern that's being communicated across the 01:27:06.840 --> 01:27:13.840 entire supply chain thank you all right do you have what you need from us I do 01:27:13.840 --> 01:27:20.720 thank you very much we appreciate your time very much good stuff all right the 01:27:20.720 --> 01:27:24.640 last item is receive a report hold a discussion and provide suggestions or 01:27:24.640 --> 01:27:31.440 recommending recommendations regarding the updates to the city criteria manuals 01:27:31.440 --> 01:27:49.040 good morning madam chair members of the public utilities board my name is Ron 01:27:49.040 --> 01:27:53.200 Megida I am with the development services department I am a principal 01:27:53.200 --> 01:27:59.400 planner with the city bear with me as I pull up my presentation there are a 01:27:59.400 --> 01:28:04.320 number of folks that are included in this presentation that are helping with 01:28:04.320 --> 01:28:11.960 this effort so I will soon as I get this up do an introduction 01:28:17.920 --> 01:28:24.960 there we go again as introduced by the chair this is regarding the city's 01:28:24.960 --> 01:28:32.640 criteria manual updates that we are currently in efforts to update with us 01:28:32.640 --> 01:28:37.560 today our members of development services myself also capital projects 01:28:37.560 --> 01:28:44.200 engineering Becky Davini sideways Brian George and then water utilities will be 01:28:44.200 --> 01:28:49.840 presented by Steven Moore so just a quick update or agenda for today's quick 01:28:49.840 --> 01:28:53.320 presentation is really talk about the history and the introduction of what 01:28:53.320 --> 01:28:56.880 we're doing and then we'll get into the different specific criteria manuals 01:28:56.880 --> 01:29:02.000 again we have solid waste stormwater transportation water wastewater as well 01:29:02.000 --> 01:29:05.800 as I'm sorry and then we'll have questions and answers at the end of the 01:29:05.800 --> 01:29:12.640 presentations just a way of introduction we try to update our criteria manuals 01:29:12.640 --> 01:29:17.680 annually we try to start those early in the year starting with the staff review 01:29:17.680 --> 01:29:22.200 we'll have some recommendations based on those reviews then we'll schedule a 01:29:22.200 --> 01:29:27.080 public meeting or work session that is with the planning zoning Commission it 01:29:27.080 --> 01:29:30.960 was recommended that we take it to the pub as well I think it's a great idea we 01:29:30.960 --> 01:29:34.000 don't normally do that I think that's something that we will start to 01:29:34.000 --> 01:29:39.400 incorporate as we continue these efforts we also try to publish these criteria 01:29:39.400 --> 01:29:45.120 manual drafts up on our website for the public to view and comment as well and 01:29:45.120 --> 01:29:48.640 they have an opportunity to do that obviously on their time and then provide 01:29:48.640 --> 01:29:53.920 comments directly on the website we also hold other meetings you know we had a 01:29:53.920 --> 01:29:58.480 developer town hall not too long ago about two weeks ago this Friday we'll be 01:29:58.480 --> 01:30:03.320 meeting with some key stakeholder engineering groups to discuss these 01:30:03.320 --> 01:30:07.000 criteria manual updates so it's an opportunity to you know it's not just 01:30:07.000 --> 01:30:10.440 our document it's everyone's document we want to make sure that those documents 01:30:10.440 --> 01:30:17.080 are updated and reflect what is going on in today's world effective the date of 01:30:17.080 --> 01:30:22.040 that criteria manual is we want to set it for January 1st so if an application 01:30:22.040 --> 01:30:26.120 comes in prior to January 1st then they would obviously comply with the 01:30:26.120 --> 01:30:30.160 criteria manners at the time however if an application comes in after January 01:30:30.160 --> 01:30:33.160 1st then obviously they would have to comply with the criteria manuals after 01:30:33.160 --> 01:30:39.080 that again the goal here is to create one document or one formatted document so 01:30:39.080 --> 01:30:42.360 that someone that's looking at the criteria manuals they're not looking at 01:30:42.360 --> 01:30:47.080 multiple criteria manners they're all within one document hopefully they're 01:30:47.080 --> 01:30:51.320 formatted correctly and they look the same and so it's searchable and there's 01:30:51.320 --> 01:30:54.920 no conflicts we want to make sure we eliminate any conflicts and we want to 01:30:54.920 --> 01:30:58.080 make sure it's streamlined as much as possible so that is what our goal is for 01:30:58.080 --> 01:31:03.920 today and the illustration that you see here you see that we did updates of the 01:31:03.920 --> 01:31:10.640 criteria manuals in the past once more recent 2018 which is really gosh that's 01:31:10.640 --> 01:31:15.000 almost three almost four years ago so we really want to get back into updating 01:31:15.000 --> 01:31:19.800 these and then the solid waste one the last other one was in April of 2009 so 01:31:19.800 --> 01:31:25.120 it was a little bit further away I won't spend too much on this slide here but 01:31:25.120 --> 01:31:29.640 just want to illustrate how the criteria manuals fit within all of our documents 01:31:29.640 --> 01:31:33.600 that we do through the development review process we have the development 01:31:33.600 --> 01:31:40.120 code document which holds our policies our procedures in how we know developers 01:31:40.120 --> 01:31:44.000 are supposed to go through the process our criteria mounts are more design 01:31:44.000 --> 01:31:49.240 technical information they help implement or help enforce what the code 01:31:49.240 --> 01:31:53.720 development code states that we need and then we also have specification and 01:31:53.720 --> 01:31:58.320 standard details and I won't go into that Becky will talk more about that but 01:31:58.320 --> 01:32:03.080 that's just another document that has this the materials the the construction 01:32:03.080 --> 01:32:06.880 specs the cross-sections the things that you typically would like to see in our 01:32:06.880 --> 01:32:11.480 development or need to have in our documents so just to kind of give you an 01:32:11.480 --> 01:32:16.760 idea of where the criteria manuals fit within the development review process so 01:32:16.760 --> 01:32:21.200 that we so that with this I'm gonna bring up Brian George and he's gonna 01:32:21.200 --> 01:32:26.240 present the solid waste criteria manual update just kind of highlight some of 01:32:26.240 --> 01:32:32.640 the changes that we're proposing with the ground as planning come up 01:32:32.640 --> 01:32:42.280 good morning madam chair board members like I said I'm Brian George field 01:32:42.280 --> 01:32:47.000 services supervisor for the solid waste department and I'm here today to speak 01:32:47.000 --> 01:32:52.840 to you about the solid waste and recycling criteria manual updates 01:32:52.840 --> 01:33:02.160 specifically enclosure I'm sorry lost some train thought container closure 01:33:02.160 --> 01:33:09.200 details and the input implementation of an alleyway criteria for solid waste due 01:33:09.200 --> 01:33:14.800 to the ever-changing designs and improvements to solid waste collection 01:33:14.800 --> 01:33:21.800 vehicles it is necessary that new container enclosures meet a specific 01:33:21.800 --> 01:33:31.120 design design model therefore all single enclosures will need to be widened about 01:33:31.120 --> 01:33:40.040 12 inches and dual enclosures by 24 inches in the picture we provided there 01:33:40.040 --> 01:33:48.560 you'll see the hydraulic hoses on the outside of the arms in the past we've 01:33:48.560 --> 01:33:54.360 had those installed inside the arms and being aware item when they go out the 01:33:54.360 --> 01:33:57.840 truck goes down because you have to take that arm apart so now we're putting them 01:33:57.840 --> 01:34:01.720 on the outside make it a little easier for the mechanics to work on them a 01:34:01.720 --> 01:34:06.720 little speedy operation at that point or even I could take it off take it to a 01:34:06.720 --> 01:34:11.560 hose company fix it and then we're down 30 minutes instead of a half a day or 01:34:11.560 --> 01:34:18.120 couple of days so with that in addition to improving the enclosures the 01:34:18.120 --> 01:34:26.680 implementation of a solid waste alleyway criteria is needed to enhance the 01:34:26.680 --> 01:34:35.000 maneuverability accessibility and to ensure the proper turning radius for 01:34:35.000 --> 01:34:42.880 solid waste vehicles in the alleyway also the alleyway must be designed and 01:34:42.880 --> 01:34:47.600 built specifically to support solid waste vehicles performing a weekly 01:34:47.600 --> 01:34:53.800 service and things get pretty heavy and with an alleyway design now it's not 01:34:53.800 --> 01:35:02.360 thick enough to support the weight so we're hoping we can update that so see 01:35:02.360 --> 01:35:08.680 that that is final note so that concludes my portion if there's any 01:35:08.680 --> 01:35:18.400 questions anything yes sir our developers actually including alleyways 01:35:18.400 --> 01:35:23.360 and developments again our developers actually including alleyways in their 01:35:23.360 --> 01:35:28.580 developments now I I mean I was raised with them I think it's a good idea but 01:35:28.580 --> 01:35:32.660 I don't see many new developments with alleyways anymore for collecting trash 01:35:32.660 --> 01:35:38.480 well there's a there's a demand now for alleyways but the new new developments 01:35:38.480 --> 01:35:44.920 coming in really yes sir and typically we the service that we provide the 01:35:44.920 --> 01:35:50.160 customer brings their cart to the curb right and the trucks go service them at 01:35:50.160 --> 01:35:54.160 the curb but the alleyways are wanting us to come in through the alleyway and 01:35:54.160 --> 01:36:00.120 with all those parts we it's hard to make them make the drive-through or make 01:36:00.120 --> 01:36:06.560 the okay the turns so we're just asking to widen and and better support I was 01:36:06.560 --> 01:36:11.040 just surprised I seem to be coming back that's good good to hear all right thank 01:36:11.040 --> 01:36:17.800 you yes and so on the oh go ahead go ahead thank you probably gonna ask the 01:36:17.800 --> 01:36:24.360 same question go ahead I think the geometric changes you're talking about 01:36:24.360 --> 01:36:29.120 makes sense you know being able to get the trucks I said the geometric changes 01:36:29.120 --> 01:36:34.200 you're talking about makes sense being able to get the trucks you know into 01:36:34.200 --> 01:36:37.920 the places where they need to be to pick up the the trash you know get get to the 01:36:37.920 --> 01:36:45.600 refuse containers and this might be more a question for mr. Mangida is there a 01:36:45.600 --> 01:36:49.220 redline version of this available because it's it's hard to tell what's 01:36:49.220 --> 01:36:54.840 changed versus you know what what already existed in in the criteria 01:36:54.840 --> 01:36:59.680 manuals currently we don't have a redline version we can certainly put 01:36:59.680 --> 01:37:03.560 that together what we do have is the existing criteria manual that was 01:37:03.560 --> 01:37:09.680 approved back in 2009 and then we have the proposed version where much of that 01:37:09.680 --> 01:37:14.760 information is just carried over to the new version but we don't have a redline 01:37:14.760 --> 01:37:20.940 version version to present to you all today and and I have not looked at the 01:37:20.940 --> 01:37:25.200 solid waste and recycling criteria manual probably ever before this I 01:37:25.200 --> 01:37:32.320 noticed there's only one mention of commercial carts and I think it's 01:37:32.320 --> 01:37:36.400 sometimes it's called the valet service like the downtown service is that 01:37:36.400 --> 01:37:43.480 handled in a different document or like for for the small commercial accounts 01:37:43.480 --> 01:37:51.240 downtown yeah those those are specifically on I'll see the downtown 01:37:51.240 --> 01:37:56.120 as a special area and so we try to consolidate our dumpsters and you know 01:37:56.120 --> 01:37:59.840 the one on Hickory Street for example there's there's one consolidate 01:37:59.840 --> 01:38:06.280 commercial you know trash enclosure and you've seen several of those dumpsters 01:38:06.280 --> 01:38:12.000 removed from the street and located there so I can't speak to you know where 01:38:12.000 --> 01:38:15.960 where one can be done but I know that the solid waste department works very 01:38:15.960 --> 01:38:20.400 closely in these special areas I don't think Fry Street would be another area 01:38:20.400 --> 01:38:24.160 that we see those dumpsters that have now been relocated and I think they're 01:38:24.160 --> 01:38:29.200 on a sycamore I think it is so just depending on the special areas I don't 01:38:29.200 --> 01:38:34.160 think we have you know an availability for a development to to propose something 01:38:34.160 --> 01:38:37.400 that but obviously it's it's part of the discussions when they're developing the 01:38:37.400 --> 01:38:42.200 site if they choose to do something we can certainly accommodate accordingly and 01:38:42.200 --> 01:38:49.520 is there a commercial cart option in certain areas of town like a smaller I 01:38:49.520 --> 01:38:54.880 thought I swear I thought I've seen them in the downtown area like maybe I'm good 01:38:54.880 --> 01:38:59.640 morning Adrian Hill solid waste operations manager I think what you're 01:38:59.640 --> 01:39:03.120 getting at is if a resident needs help getting their container back to the curb 01:39:03.120 --> 01:39:10.240 is that what you're asking no this for alternative like for downtown areas the 01:39:10.240 --> 01:39:12.800 very dense areas where there isn't room for a dumpster you don't want to take 01:39:12.800 --> 01:39:19.280 out 20 feet of prime curb with the dumpster yeah there's many small 01:39:19.280 --> 01:39:23.760 businesses printed shops business that we do have residential carts for 01:39:23.760 --> 01:39:27.400 commercial carts they just pay a different rates couple bucks more but 01:39:27.400 --> 01:39:31.440 yeah there's several and we service those with the regular residential route 01:39:31.440 --> 01:39:38.960 truck a rear load truck we run one ways with the rear load that pick up from the 01:39:38.960 --> 01:39:42.600 rear so they're able to take that that truck in those small areas and and 01:39:42.600 --> 01:39:47.360 collect rather than being an automated truck and those are not covered in this 01:39:47.360 --> 01:39:51.720 criteria manual there they're just kind of a case by case case by case yes okay 01:39:51.720 --> 01:39:57.200 thank you yeah and the site criteria manual also outlines if a building is 01:39:57.200 --> 01:40:06.600 this size it needs a size of dumpster thank you yes my question was about 01:40:06.600 --> 01:40:11.880 this criteria manual overall so these eight pages is this all that's being 01:40:11.880 --> 01:40:16.600 changed or is this the entire manual was eight pages and now it's another eight 01:40:16.600 --> 01:40:23.160 pages there's these are the two major things that were changing there's some 01:40:23.160 --> 01:40:27.920 wording that's being changed it's not really changing like criteria this the 01:40:27.920 --> 01:40:32.080 wording is being updated but these two are the major things that we wanted to 01:40:32.080 --> 01:40:36.920 look at but this is the manual this eight pages is the whole manual this 01:40:36.920 --> 01:40:47.160 isn't a portion of a larger that's really my question yes sir that for 01:40:47.160 --> 01:40:50.560 solid waste it's just the eight pages there there are there was some 01:40:50.560 --> 01:40:55.120 information that we're moving to the standard detail so that's that's where 01:40:55.120 --> 01:40:58.720 some of them went but for solid waste yes just the eight pages is what's 01:40:58.720 --> 01:41:03.280 proposed for the new update okay so this is the whole thing I thought this was 01:41:03.280 --> 01:41:06.560 like a small part of something much larger but the more you talked about it 01:41:06.560 --> 01:41:14.560 I realized this might just be yet for solid waste crime okay thank you thank 01:41:14.560 --> 01:41:20.080 you thank you well madam chair so before before we go on to the next time just to 01:41:20.080 --> 01:41:27.640 clarify so there was a request I guess for a red line of the changes is that 01:41:27.640 --> 01:41:33.560 something that that still would like you would like to have or considering it's 01:41:33.560 --> 01:41:37.200 eight pages is that sufficient that you can just compare the two documents or 01:41:37.200 --> 01:41:41.800 so I make sure that we follow up on that request I think that was your request 01:41:41.800 --> 01:41:46.200 wasn't it yeah I was actually having trouble finding the old version on the 01:41:46.200 --> 01:41:50.880 website the website just recently changed so I don't know how to use it so 01:41:50.880 --> 01:41:56.120 if it's if it's available I'd love a red line of all of them if that's if that 01:41:56.120 --> 01:41:59.560 can be done pretty quickly and I don't think I don't know if anybody else wants 01:41:59.560 --> 01:42:08.960 to see it and I did notice some of the other ones were redlined so I'm good 01:42:08.960 --> 01:42:18.640 without it anyone else awesome thank you for the question so I'm gonna touch on a 01:42:18.640 --> 01:42:22.280 couple of questions that have already been asked so specifically you're 01:42:22.280 --> 01:42:28.360 related to I'm sorry I can't see specifically related to the redlined 01:42:28.360 --> 01:42:32.080 versions I will make mention too that we're still receiving quite a few 01:42:32.080 --> 01:42:37.640 comments so our red line versions are changing if not daily but weekly so I 01:42:37.640 --> 01:42:42.040 would challenge you to evaluate some of the documents that you have in front of 01:42:42.040 --> 01:42:45.880 you if you need copies of the old document so that you can compare them 01:42:45.880 --> 01:42:50.960 screen by screen and happy to do so my red line version of the stormwater 01:42:50.960 --> 01:42:57.440 criteria manual in the transportation criteria manual is very red and so I will 01:42:57.440 --> 01:43:01.400 also mention that we've received quite a few comments from the Planning and 01:43:01.400 --> 01:43:06.160 Zoning Commission and then internally and I forgot to introduce myself but I 01:43:06.160 --> 01:43:10.360 just assumed it was I'm Becky Davini the City Engineering Director of Capital 01:43:10.360 --> 01:43:15.120 Project so it's thank you for having me today so just to touch on that I will 01:43:15.120 --> 01:43:19.320 also mention to you that we are working with the Solid Waste Department as 01:43:19.320 --> 01:43:23.080 alleys were a question that was asked and there are developments that are 01:43:23.080 --> 01:43:26.760 coming through with alleys the transportation criteria manual also has 01:43:26.760 --> 01:43:30.980 a section of alley so we want to make sure we're not duplicating efforts my 01:43:30.980 --> 01:43:34.600 least favorite thing is to show something in more than one place so that 01:43:34.600 --> 01:43:37.880 when we change it in one and we forget to change it in the other we have 01:43:37.880 --> 01:43:43.800 conflicting information so that's very important that we work through that so 01:43:43.800 --> 01:43:47.480 we are looking at with working with our friends in solid waste as to where that 01:43:47.480 --> 01:43:51.520 should land and then our team is also working to help solid waste with their 01:43:51.520 --> 01:43:56.080 standard details so I'm gonna go through the stormwater criteria manual and then 01:43:56.080 --> 01:43:59.240 also some of the updates in the transportation that I'm going to give 01:43:59.240 --> 01:44:03.120 you a couple of other things just for you to be thinking about so specifically 01:44:03.120 --> 01:44:06.480 on the stormwater criteria manual we are making quite a few updates to 01:44:06.480 --> 01:44:11.260 definitions that includes basically deleting some of the terms that are no 01:44:11.260 --> 01:44:14.200 longer necessary and then adding some terms that we feel like that are 01:44:14.200 --> 01:44:20.720 necessary throughout the document we have changed the hundred-year frequency 01:44:20.720 --> 01:44:25.320 to the one percent chance when you see that when you're talking about the 01:44:25.320 --> 01:44:28.680 different flooding chances so that's something that we want to change kind of 01:44:28.680 --> 01:44:33.240 that terminology one of the bigger changes is we've updated the driveway 01:44:33.240 --> 01:44:36.160 culvert inspection to be the responsibility of actually the public 01:44:36.160 --> 01:44:40.520 works staff versus the building inspection staff the public works 01:44:40.520 --> 01:44:45.360 inspection team is a part of my department and so we already are doing 01:44:45.360 --> 01:44:49.160 some of that work and our hopes are that we are inspecting everything that is from 01:44:49.160 --> 01:44:53.160 the right-of-way line within the two boundaries of the right-of-way line and 01:44:53.160 --> 01:44:56.800 then behind the right-of-way line of the building inspection team handles that 01:44:56.800 --> 01:45:01.520 most of the driveway culverts are within that right-of-way line so that's a 01:45:01.520 --> 01:45:06.840 change and then we are also updating the criteria manual to have all reinforced 01:45:06.840 --> 01:45:11.280 concrete pipe required for the culverts the driveway inspection culverts and 01:45:11.280 --> 01:45:17.640 then culverts in general so that's it that's a change so then the next thing 01:45:17.640 --> 01:45:20.880 on the transportation criteria manual I will tell you there are still quite a 01:45:20.880 --> 01:45:25.640 few comments that are coming in Ron had those hosted on the website I guess it's 01:45:25.640 --> 01:45:30.520 been about a week Ron week and a half and so we still are receiving quite a 01:45:30.520 --> 01:45:34.400 few comments so my goal is to take all of those comments collect them and see 01:45:34.400 --> 01:45:40.040 what updates need to be made to the documents it doesn't work in progress 01:45:40.040 --> 01:45:44.160 though and we are working to also present the same presentation at the 01:45:44.160 --> 01:45:49.560 City Council meeting on December 7th similar to the stormwater criteria 01:45:49.560 --> 01:45:54.200 manual we are updating definitions and deleting some of the terms that we no 01:45:54.200 --> 01:45:58.600 longer feel necessary and we're updating the geometric street standards to 01:45:58.600 --> 01:46:02.680 incorporate bicycle and pedestrian components as applicable I think you may 01:46:02.680 --> 01:46:05.880 all know this but part of our team's goal is to make sure that we're looking 01:46:05.880 --> 01:46:11.280 at all modes of transportation not just cars bicycles and pedestrian making sure 01:46:11.280 --> 01:46:15.600 that our street sections and the different geometric standards that are 01:46:15.600 --> 01:46:20.640 located within the documents show those different standards we also are update 01:46:20.640 --> 01:46:26.400 updating the turn lane standards some of the on-street parking some of the 01:46:26.400 --> 01:46:30.640 diagrams and amenities that include the movement of certain 01:46:30.640 --> 01:46:34.140 information that's actually being removed from the criteria manual and put 01:46:34.140 --> 01:46:37.160 in the code so I think Ron kind of went through the difference between the 01:46:37.160 --> 01:46:42.000 criteria in the manual and the code my goal for the criteria manual is if an 01:46:42.000 --> 01:46:45.840 engineer wants to design or come into town and understands here's the criteria 01:46:45.840 --> 01:46:50.520 of the city of Denton the criteria says you know the dumpster enclosure shall 01:46:50.520 --> 01:46:55.160 be made of whatever material and be whatever size the code says you shall 01:46:55.160 --> 01:46:59.680 have a enclosure right so those are kind of the differences and it gives you a 01:46:59.680 --> 01:47:04.520 little bit more detailed information we're also working through updating the 01:47:04.520 --> 01:47:08.840 signs and markings diagrams within the document and there's going to be some 01:47:08.840 --> 01:47:13.320 other changes from the multimodal perspective you may not be aware of this 01:47:13.320 --> 01:47:18.920 but in July we actually hired a senior planner bicycle ADA pedestrian 01:47:18.920 --> 01:47:25.440 coordinator and that's a hard title to get on one business card but I will 01:47:25.440 --> 01:47:30.160 mention that he has had an opportunity to review the documents we were already 01:47:30.160 --> 01:47:33.880 quite a ways down the process of doing the review so we're working to 01:47:33.880 --> 01:47:38.160 incorporate his comments as we can as they make sense from the geometric 01:47:38.160 --> 01:47:42.400 standards standpoint knowing that this is something that we do annually we may 01:47:42.400 --> 01:47:48.560 not catch everything this year so and I'll give my my plug this is why it's 01:47:48.560 --> 01:47:52.760 important so I know Ron mentioned the difference between the code the criteria 01:47:52.760 --> 01:47:57.520 and the specifications and standard details and my friend Steven Moore will 01:47:57.520 --> 01:48:02.880 present next on water wastewater but the reason why this is so important and I 01:48:02.880 --> 01:48:07.760 want to make sure you all understand is when a capital project or a development 01:48:07.760 --> 01:48:11.480 project comes through the city they need clear expectations of what the 01:48:11.480 --> 01:48:15.680 requirements are to build within the city so that criteria gives you those 01:48:15.680 --> 01:48:19.600 examples from the engineering perspective the code tells you thou 01:48:19.600 --> 01:48:25.640 shalt build X of course there's variance processes that you can go through we are 01:48:25.640 --> 01:48:29.640 also working on updating our specifications and standard details 01:48:29.640 --> 01:48:34.720 that we do annually and last year in January I'm sorry this year in January 01:48:34.720 --> 01:48:39.680 I don't know why I think it's last year in January we actually updated the 01:48:39.680 --> 01:48:44.360 specifications and standard details and those went into play in January for all 01:48:44.360 --> 01:48:49.040 of the capital projects that our team is delivering the important thing about us 01:48:49.040 --> 01:48:53.040 working through this process is now we will be using those specifications and 01:48:53.040 --> 01:48:56.960 standard details for the development projects let me tell you why this is 01:48:56.960 --> 01:49:02.240 important it's important for one of many reasons but number one is the public 01:49:02.240 --> 01:49:05.880 works inspectors who are out in the field actually inspecting the projects they 01:49:05.880 --> 01:49:09.320 need one source of truth they need to understand no matter if it's a 01:49:09.320 --> 01:49:13.080 development project or a capital project this is the way the city of Denton does 01:49:13.080 --> 01:49:18.040 business and so that's a very helpful measure a sanitary sir clean out is 01:49:18.040 --> 01:49:22.400 always going to be X feet behind the curb a sidewalk is always going to be 01:49:22.400 --> 01:49:26.920 built in this manner a transition of a ramp is always going to be built in this 01:49:26.920 --> 01:49:32.560 manner those are a few examples the other reason why it's so important which 01:49:32.560 --> 01:49:37.040 helps our team right so they don't have to remember each project has a different 01:49:37.040 --> 01:49:41.120 specification a different standard detail that it goes along with that 01:49:41.120 --> 01:49:45.960 particular project so that's very important and I really like that we're 01:49:45.960 --> 01:49:50.280 looking at using that single source of truth and it will definitely help our 01:49:50.280 --> 01:49:53.640 inspection department but the other reason why is because anyone who comes 01:49:53.640 --> 01:49:58.240 with to work within the city of Denton and build anything within the city of 01:49:58.240 --> 01:50:01.960 Denton is going to understand what the expectations are and the requirements so 01:50:01.960 --> 01:50:07.840 at 2 a.m. when we have a waterline break or at 4 a.m. when a live station stops 01:50:07.840 --> 01:50:12.520 working and we now have an overflow our crews and the men and women that are out 01:50:12.520 --> 01:50:15.960 there every day making sure that we're preparing and providing all the 01:50:15.960 --> 01:50:22.440 essential services including the electric department solid waste etc but 01:50:22.440 --> 01:50:27.440 they all know yes this is the manhole cover that we're going to use this is 01:50:27.440 --> 01:50:31.920 the replacement our warehouse can also stock those particular pieces of 01:50:31.920 --> 01:50:35.360 equipment so at the end of the day really the goal is to provide that 01:50:35.360 --> 01:50:40.720 consistency so hopefully that helps you all and gives you a little bit wider and 01:50:40.720 --> 01:50:46.240 broader perspective it's really a goal of mine and has been for a number of 01:50:46.240 --> 01:50:51.400 months and a little over a year to help make this effort come together and Ron's 01:50:51.400 --> 01:50:55.400 done a fantastic job of really leading the charge on this from a planning 01:50:55.400 --> 01:50:59.160 perspective but just wanted to try to kind of close that loop and let you 01:50:59.160 --> 01:51:03.320 understand why this is so important are there any questions for me before I turn 01:51:03.320 --> 01:51:10.240 it over to mr. Moore just go ahead I just have one comment regarding the 01:51:10.240 --> 01:51:17.080 bicycle amenities I noticed that if the in the initial section where you road 01:51:17.080 --> 01:51:22.960 types include minimum widths with the sidewalk and so forth bike lanes are 01:51:22.960 --> 01:51:29.440 included as referenced in the mobility plan which requires a new road you might 01:51:29.440 --> 01:51:37.240 have a development where we said it only all arterials and collectors form 01:51:37.240 --> 01:51:40.920 connections to other neighborhoods sure and they often are the only things that 01:51:40.920 --> 01:51:45.320 have bridges across across rivers underpasses and overcrowded passes across 01:51:45.320 --> 01:51:51.440 highways and so they are critical transportation infrastructure we know 01:51:51.440 --> 01:51:55.560 that every bike every arterial and collector needs some kind of bike lane 01:51:55.560 --> 01:52:02.520 of like amenity so I would and you the the criteria manual discusses that down 01:52:02.520 --> 01:52:05.680 in the bike section but we could also go ahead and put it I think in that 01:52:05.680 --> 01:52:10.600 dimensional section at the top just indicating that arterials and 01:52:10.600 --> 01:52:16.520 collectors need need these you know facilities no I appreciate that comment 01:52:16.520 --> 01:52:19.720 and if you look in those different geometric standards you're gonna see 01:52:19.720 --> 01:52:24.520 that it says this detail to be updated a lot of it is the nomenclature and I want 01:52:24.520 --> 01:52:29.800 to have a variety of different ways that the roadway cross-section can actually 01:52:29.800 --> 01:52:34.280 look so if it's a primary arterial here's the standard but if we need to 01:52:34.280 --> 01:52:38.480 make some modifications due to the right-of-way width or the the need or 01:52:38.480 --> 01:52:42.940 actually matching maybe what was built prior to that we're providing that 01:52:42.940 --> 01:52:47.440 seamless flow of traffic so I appreciate that comment and we're currently working 01:52:47.440 --> 01:52:52.160 through quite a few of those geometric standards right now also I would say 01:52:52.160 --> 01:52:56.960 that the geometric standards are kind of the guide you'll also then see standard 01:52:56.960 --> 01:52:59.960 details that are going to be in a different document that are really going 01:52:59.960 --> 01:53:06.320 to clarify a primary arterial looks like X here's a modified primary arterial it 01:53:06.320 --> 01:53:10.520 looks like Y those types of things so we're in the process of updating those 01:53:10.520 --> 01:53:14.000 but I do appreciate that comment 01:53:16.880 --> 01:53:23.400 anyone else no thank you all right thank you 01:53:23.400 --> 01:53:33.440 good morning I'm Stephen Moore senior engineer for the Department of Water 01:53:33.440 --> 01:53:39.400 utilities and I want to start off by by saying I pretty much would repeat 01:53:39.400 --> 01:53:44.000 everything that Becky just told you this is this is I don't want to repeat it but 01:53:44.000 --> 01:53:47.000 this has been a huge effort and we are working very closely with the city 01:53:47.000 --> 01:53:51.760 engineer with public inspection with planning with development services so 01:53:51.760 --> 01:53:56.640 we've had two really big challenges that we're trying to do with our manuals one 01:53:56.640 --> 01:54:01.120 is to update them with what's going on you know the old manual or the current 01:54:01.120 --> 01:54:04.720 manual says thou shalt do X well we really don't want you to do X anymore or 01:54:04.720 --> 01:54:11.000 doing X causes Y problem so we're trying to adjust to that and the second thing 01:54:11.000 --> 01:54:16.040 is to put it all the information in one place so a lot of our changes have been 01:54:16.040 --> 01:54:20.840 removing information because it's going into another document or adding a short 01:54:20.840 --> 01:54:26.080 blurb because it's not found anywhere else so I'm not going to really get into 01:54:26.080 --> 01:54:29.400 specifics because if you take the old version the new version laying one on 01:54:29.400 --> 01:54:34.520 top of the other there are it doesn't look the same in fact there's many 01:54:34.520 --> 01:54:38.360 sentences that were just rewritten to clarify them to make them easier to read 01:54:38.360 --> 01:54:41.720 or easier to understand so I'm going to kind of go under go through our 01:54:41.720 --> 01:54:44.840 different sections and what we're looking at different and what's become 01:54:44.840 --> 01:54:50.200 different we do have as Becky said there's a lot of comments coming up and 01:54:50.200 --> 01:54:53.800 there are issues where a developer absolutely wants us to do something and 01:54:53.800 --> 01:54:58.520 our field crews actually don't want us to do it so we're trying to work out the 01:54:58.520 --> 01:55:04.400 is it is it is it a true issue for somebody is it just they don't want to 01:55:04.400 --> 01:55:08.080 do it is it just our guys don't want to do it and how and and that's we're trying 01:55:08.080 --> 01:55:13.560 to fix all those conflicts and make it a much easier thing to work with so for 01:55:13.560 --> 01:55:19.560 the water we've added several sections addressing meters underground utility 01:55:19.560 --> 01:55:23.240 crossings fences and fence and wall crossings we really never addressed that 01:55:23.240 --> 01:55:28.560 in the past as well as pressure regulators we've revised the section on 01:55:28.560 --> 01:55:32.360 the water main replacement because there are some issues that were not addressed 01:55:32.360 --> 01:55:37.400 in the past we're addressing them now on every time it comes up so we're putting 01:55:37.400 --> 01:55:42.520 into the criteria manual to just spell it out in front in many cases just make 01:55:42.520 --> 01:55:46.360 sure that developer doesn't forget about this because they will have to address 01:55:46.360 --> 01:55:52.640 this as part of their project terms of wastewater we've revised the how you 01:55:52.640 --> 01:55:56.920 estimate the wastewater flows separation between water wastewater we're more 01:55:56.920 --> 01:56:01.800 closely matching what TCEQ tells us to do and actually clarifying because some 01:56:01.800 --> 01:56:05.520 of the previous language there was some wiggle room there that we really can't 01:56:05.520 --> 01:56:11.160 allow add in a little section of highway crossings a lot of other roads in the 01:56:11.160 --> 01:56:15.480 city of Denton don't belong to us so we've put a note in there that if you 01:56:15.480 --> 01:56:20.560 cross a text that road you got to get your permit from text on and we talked 01:56:20.560 --> 01:56:24.280 about abandonment of sewer mains again this is an issue that comes up we just 01:56:24.280 --> 01:56:27.240 never really address so we put some some language in there to make sure it is 01:56:27.240 --> 01:56:33.040 part of our planning of the developers planning process we've removed several 01:56:33.040 --> 01:56:36.580 sections preliminary design has been moved to another document rights away 01:56:36.580 --> 01:56:42.040 and easements are not part of criteria that's this part of the city's work how 01:56:42.040 --> 01:56:45.480 to deal with the Denda plan revision change orders we've fallen in line with 01:56:45.480 --> 01:56:49.920 the city's process we don't have our own spelled out here same with submittals 01:56:49.920 --> 01:56:54.040 there is a city process for doing that we don't we're taking it out of ours we 01:56:54.040 --> 01:56:59.320 don't want to conflict with what the city is doing so that's pretty much the 01:56:59.320 --> 01:57:04.000 end of again there's a ton of minor changes all we're doing is updating what 01:57:04.000 --> 01:57:08.120 we're we've already started doing trying to spell it out make it clear for 01:57:08.120 --> 01:57:12.600 everyone else but do you have any any can answer any questions about water 01:57:12.600 --> 01:57:18.800 waste water just quick what where y'all going I've been watching the city 01:57:18.800 --> 01:57:22.040 criteria has changed for over 30 years so where are you going with the water 01:57:22.040 --> 01:57:26.740 and sewer now are you still staying under the edge of the street well there 01:57:26.740 --> 01:57:33.480 was years ago when we put them in the in the yards you know if I were to get my 01:57:33.480 --> 01:57:36.640 crews up here he'd tell you we keep it in the street they don't want it there 01:57:36.640 --> 01:57:41.560 anywhere anyway at all we're trying to we prefer it in the street we have the 01:57:41.560 --> 01:57:46.120 right of way it's easier for us to find we had the right away another sidewalk 01:57:46.120 --> 01:57:51.720 and we're trying to put it out because when you put it on the sidewalk it's 01:57:51.720 --> 01:57:55.360 harder and more expensive for us to fix because we're not sidewalk repair 01:57:55.360 --> 01:58:03.700 specialists I did I'm sorry did I answer the question you answer my question I 01:58:03.700 --> 01:58:08.160 just disagree with it with the answer I think the problem is you have to deal 01:58:08.160 --> 01:58:10.720 with more citizens when you go in the yards that's that's the biggest 01:58:10.720 --> 01:58:15.000 difficulty but to me to dig it up a street and digging up grass is digging 01:58:15.000 --> 01:58:19.500 up grass is a lot cheaper to replace water in Syria so my opinion humble 01:58:19.500 --> 01:58:29.580 opinion other questions thank you thank you thank you I appreciate the the time 01:58:29.580 --> 01:58:35.940 I just just want to end that we we have the draft materials that you have on our 01:58:35.940 --> 01:58:41.240 website and we will make sure that the old versions that are you know existing 01:58:41.240 --> 01:58:45.080 today are also on that new website I know we can't we just transition to a 01:58:45.080 --> 01:58:50.080 new website platform so maybe it was relocated or not included I'll make sure 01:58:50.080 --> 01:58:54.580 that it's included so anybody else that's watching or that wants to see the 01:58:54.580 --> 01:58:58.920 old version they can and then also compare it to the new version it's gonna 01:58:58.920 --> 01:59:03.420 be on the website until November 25th so kind of gives us some time between 01:59:03.420 --> 01:59:06.640 November 25th and the next meeting that we're scheduled to have this with City 01:59:06.640 --> 01:59:10.300 Council so gives us some time to kind of look through what comments we have and 01:59:10.300 --> 01:59:14.720 then present it to them at that time so again we're looking at a December 7th 01:59:14.720 --> 01:59:18.200 City Council meeting to bring this forward and then hopefully an effective 01:59:18.200 --> 01:59:23.880 date of January 1st and madam and madam Charo just so the DME is not left out I 01:59:23.880 --> 01:59:28.760 would just point out that there is no DME criteria manual but we are working on 01:59:28.760 --> 01:59:32.080 electrical service standards that will be coming to you along with a line 01:59:32.080 --> 01:59:35.840 extension policy as well that that'll be forthcoming here in the next couple 01:59:35.840 --> 01:59:41.800 you know couple couple weeks thank you all right then that concludes the agenda 01:59:41.800 --> 01:59:45.800 do we have a motion to adjourn