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 Okay good morning it's nine o'clock and we do have a quorum so we'll call to

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 order the public utility board meeting for the city of Denton for Monday

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 November 8th. The first item is any public comment. Does anybody in the

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 audience wish to speak? How about on the phone? No there are no callers. All right

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 thank you. So the first item is our consent agenda. Does any board member

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 wish to pull it? Mr. Back, go ahead. Yes thank you chair. I'd like to pull item A

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 and discuss if we can a little bit more detail about this extraordinary fine.

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 Okay and I'm gonna pull item B and go ahead. Item E. And item E. All right and

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 the other items. All right do we have a motion to approve item C, D, C and D?

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 Benjump removed. Second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? That carries. Item A.

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 Who is here to speak to that item?

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 This is Rachel Wood deputy director of Capital Projects. I've also got Tracy

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 Beck on the line who's the project manager for this project and we're happy

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 to answer any questions. Go ahead. You need you need to have your mic on Mr.

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 Beck. There you go. Got it now. Okay I found this an extraordinary. You're telling me. You're absolutely telling me. Come on. Pardon me? Okay you can hear me okay? Yes. Okay. This is an

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 item that evidently I found out that the PUB discussed at a previous time so I

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 don't want to drag this out but I found it extraordinary that we were finding

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 something like this in one of our projects and it looks like the city did

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 its due diligence and all that. It's just that I hate to see this pass so quickly

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 without a little bit of discussion go on the public record. I was interested to

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 realize that this fine was considered I guess to be prehistoric since they

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 found some parts up to be 5,000 years old and I understand there was let's

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 say archaeologists involved in this along with the project manager and other

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 people and decided to do this data recovery as opposed to working around it

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 or preserving any part of it. So if you could just elaborate a little bit more

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 on that was it that deep into the area where we're going to work that none of

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 it could be preserved and it was determined it said that cost and time

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 would be excessive on that too and it just seems like a rare find like this.

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 I'm just curious to hear the a little bit of the reasoning behind the decision

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 to just go with the data retrieval. Is that help? Is that that's not too

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 confusing is it? And I'm sorry what was your name again? This is Tracy Beck.

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 Tracy Beck good name okay okay did what I say make sense? Yes sir it did and I

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 appreciate you asking the question. We had a project the Hickory Creek

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 Interceptor project dates back numerous years of a high need for the wastewater

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 department and for all the surrounding areas both existing and future

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 development. The alignment was set years ago prior to my involvement and as one

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 of the tasks that we're responsible to do when we go through a project

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 evaluation is look at the archaeological findings. Typically that's never been a

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 problem in the past. On this particular project we had a little special event

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 where when we went through the initial phase we do what's called a survey. They

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 take a look at the the surroundings and they say this might be a good area to

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 look into. So we did that and that got one of our amendment changes to look a

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 little bit deeper because the Texas Historical Commission came out and said

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 we need to look a little deeper dig under the ground and take a look. So at

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 that point they started finding some activity that showed that there was a

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 past history of folks passing through the area. They had evidence of ovens

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 earthen ovens and then mussel shells. So as they kept moving forward the Texas

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 Historical Commission said we'd like to take a look a little bit further. So

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 we're in what's called a phase three data recovery and what they're doing

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 today is out there collecting all the data collecting the evidence the years

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 sample soils everything that they need to recreate the story the best they can

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 as to what they found. So as far as avoiding those areas the alignment in

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 order to avoid the areas we looked at that option we looked at trying to bore

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 under the areas. We looked at anything that we could do to avoid the

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 archaeological expenses as well as the impact. But the reality is is that if we

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 shifted it left or right the Texas Historical Commission said there's

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 really not a way to find out if we could avoid them all together because it was a

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 community that came through this area. So at that point we didn't have an option

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 other than to start the project from scratch which based on the need for the

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 line was not an option that we could see. So what they're doing today is collecting

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 as much data, years data, taking pictures and everything. We'll end up getting a

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 several hundred page report maybe even a thousand pages. I don't know they said

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 it's gonna be huge. Showing all the evidence so that we can secure that

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 history. Okay did the Texas Historical Commission is there something on record

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 with them where we could kind of see in a little bit more detail their

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 perception on this and something for the public record more or less other than

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 what we got here? We have a scope that has been worked back and forth between

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 the archaeologists and the Texas Historical Commission and that's where

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 they negotiate back and forth discussing what are the needs for the project,

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 excavation, data recovery and that is a part of what we're approving today is

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 that scope. Okay as a private citizen though is there could I get

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 access to those records? We don't have them public right now but I believe that

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 we could add them to our Discover Denton pages. It's just going to document the

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 scope of the services based on what the Texas Historical Commission and our

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 archaeologists discussed. Okay if that can be done and is done Tracy would you

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 email me and let me know and just give me you know how I can go about doing that

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 otherwise I'm fine with this. Absolutely. Okay thank you so much. All right so do

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 we have a motion to approve item A? Mr. Beck is motioning. Do we have a second?

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 Mr. Cheek seconded. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Carries. Item B. I did not

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 really have a question I just knew that Billy would have to recuse himself so I

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 need a motion to approve item B. Thank you Mr. Jumper. Moved? Second? Mr. Beck

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 seconded. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Carries. Item E.

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 All right item E. Yes I guess do we have somebody here for that? Yeah we have some

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 want to ask your question Mr. Jumper. Sure okay so we're getting a new you want

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 to get a new truck I was a little confused on the purpose of the of the

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 truck is it it seems like it maybe it's like a backup or kind of a filler like

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 fill-in for odds and ends needs if you could just elaborate on that a little

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 more. Yes I love to answer that question it's really it really won't be a backup

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 this will be our one of our primary vehicles the purpose of a few reasons

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 for trying to acquire the vehicle now versus later but it'll it'll allow us to

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 create a faster response time as we respond to our customer concerns and the

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 complaints the smaller footprint is definitely a lot easier to maneuver

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 through the communities one of the things that we're here we're here a very

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 high standard to is taking care of customers in a short response time the

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 the the the fuel savings versus sitting in a big large truck across town late

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 and evening in traffic this truck will take care of that for us plus it'll

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 serve as our you mentioned backup and I say no to that this will actually serve

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 as our crew we have crew leaders on staff for each discipline that we have

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 this truck will serve as an office so instead of us waiting the customer

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 waiting for things to happen we're right in the field and we can take care of it

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 right away okay and then you also in the in the documentation there referenced

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 helping with spills so I was curious about all the spills happen a lot and

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 then how does that happen and what if you got an administrative code we are

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 required if there's a spillage we are required to take care of that spill

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 within a certain amount of time does that happen often it doesn't happen often

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 however when they do happen hydraulic spills things of that nature in this in

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 this business as the temperatures get hotter and warmer lines sometimes are

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 compromised right and you may have 20 to 30 gallons of hydraulic fluid on the

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 ground and we've got a short window to respond this truck will have spill kits

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 everything necessary right to take care of that spill to contain it until we

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 can get it better under control sometimes getting the better under

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 control is calling in some specialists and things like that before the

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 containment initially this truck is already in the field it can respond

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 immediately okay yes sir is this the first truck of its kind of this kind of

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 more light-duty quick response vehicle absolutely not their trucks been an

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 industry like this probably I'm aware I've been in the business 32 years I

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 know they're been in the business about 15 years no I'm sorry I meant for the

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 department is a few years ago we bought two we have two they're in a yard a

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 configuration and they work fine for us in fact we service our downtown valley

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 area with those trucks right now they work perfect for us this truck is a

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 little larger 11 yard to for more capacity so our return time to the

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 landfill is not as frequent great thank you I just was wondering if this was the

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 only one and if that was enough but obviously it's the third of this

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 particular type thank you if approved this would be our third vehicle of this

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 kind to our fleet thank you yes ma'am do we have a motion to approve item E so

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 moved then jumper seconds all in favor say aye motion carries next item is

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 recommend approval of the October 25th meeting minutes do we have a motion to

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 approve move approval mr. cheek moved approval mr. Beck seconds on favor say

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 aye aye that carries consider the adoption of an ordinance with the city

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 of Denton the Texas Home Rule Municipal Corporation authorizing the city manager

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 to execute a contract with Southern ionics ink for the supply of emissions

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 reagent for the deep Denton Energy Center

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 yeah they're not on our monitors they don't come up on the monitor okay good

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 enough everything look good yep good morning ladies and gentlemen Jason

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 Brown plant manager of the Denton Energy Center first off I want to thank you all

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 for allowing me time this morning to present this emissions reagent contract

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 that we're seeking approval of this morning the reagent used at the Denton

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 Energy Center is aqueous ammonia and is used as an additive in our exhaust

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 stream for NOx control NOx control is a condition of our air permit therefore we

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 have to have emissions reagent in order to operate the facility how we use

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 aquia aqueous ammonia or the additive is we inject the additive into the exhaust

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 stream where it mixes with exhaust gas and then flows through the SCR catalyst

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 selective catalytic reduction catalyst on the exhaust system in there a chemical

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 reaction takes place where the NOx deposits on to the SCR blocks and as we

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 as we operate the facility we maintain the emissions life or the perimeters of

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 that emissions catalyst with standard maintenance practices by monitoring the

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 catalyst block differential across the catalyst blocks and clean or refurbish

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 the catalyst catalytic blocks as we need the additive is a consumable that is

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 injected into the into the exhaust stream at 14 and a half gallons per hour to 18

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 and a gap 18 and a half gallons per hour depending on exhaust load or equipment

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 load and NOx control is a standard air permit condition to where we we need

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 emissions reagent with us injecting aqueous ammonia into the exhaust stream

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 at 14 and a half to 18 and a half gallons per hour we we have the need for

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 bulk storage this picture here in front of you is is our storage location the

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 big horizontal gray tank to the right is where we keep our aqueous ammonia and

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 it's transferred via pumps to the north and south engine halls through a common

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 header where it then is dosed by engine for the NOx control needs so our book

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 our bulk storage capacity is about 29,000 to 30,000 gallons or 172 plant

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 hours at full output our tank is designed to store aqueous ammonia and we

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 receive deliveries via tanker at 6,500 gallons typically every week during the

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 peak of summer to every three weeks during during the other shoulder months

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 as you can see from that picture in the center there that's where we offload our

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 our tankers they actually pull into a containment area if there was happen to

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 be a spill or any of that that nature it would go down into the containment area

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 that's designed to hold all that all that chemical capacity in that area so

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 as our contract came up and expired earlier or late last month we went out

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 for formal bids we went out with an IFB specified what need to be needed to be

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 quality of our aqueous ammonia and we're seeking approval for a five-year total

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 contract three years with two one-year extensions it was sent to 54 perspective

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 bidders one we got one response which happened to be our previous contract

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 supplier and we are recommending awarding southern ionics for our

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 emissions reagent aqueous ammonia questions yes mr. Beck thank you Jason

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 for your report and I appreciate your informative tour you gave a couple of

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 us this weekend yes would you and you mentioned during that tour and if you

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 would restate what is the EPA level of emissions that's allowed and where does

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 the DEC stand the EPA TCEQ has limitations based on your standard air

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 permit and the equipment type which basically boils down to eight tons per

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 year requirement I can't pull off top my head what the requirement is for NOx or

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 or CEO but I can definitely give you that information as well on the share

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 site we do put up our emissions values each month and and that permit limit is

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 is on that that spreadsheet as well you said something about it couldn't exceed

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 60% no during during the tour what we have experienced thus far in operation

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 is we we've only been achieving about 60% capacity of our total air permit

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 limit which is well under one tons per year yeah okay thank you yes sir yes sir

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 I have a question on the dollar amounts are fixed over the five-year period is

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 that a not to exceed dollar amount for the supply as required that's a great

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 question so it is a not to exceed amount additionally within that not to exceed

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 amount our previous operating history we've been spending about a hundred and

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 nine thousand a year over the last four or five months we've seen a 32% increase

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 in the cost of that that aqueous ammonia or that product in general so the way

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 that we build our budget for this consumable since it is a variable based

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 on the operation is we budget it to the to the max value and this contract is

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 built to that max value also we're fully expecting the cost of our aqueous

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 ammonia to be more down around the five hundred thousand range this year well

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 that was a curiosity my question was increasing costs in all areas I said

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 well this is fixed so I was wondering how you're gonna manage that so thank

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 you yes sir mr. chief does this take into account for the possible increase

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 in production at the DEC yes sir it does and remind me deep when we think the new

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 giant computer system will be online the Bitcoin place or whatever it is phase

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 worries thank you other questions oh yes go ahead good morning good morning I was

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 so we have 172 hours of storage on site and it looks like one tanker truck it

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 would probably take five or six tanker trucks to fill the on-site tank there so

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 are you getting I guess deliveries every few days or weekly during during peak

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 season so so midsummer and and also there's a peak during the winter time

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 typically we're receiving about a tanker every week to two weeks fluctuates with

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 with engine operation whether if we run a lot we're gonna need more and it's

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 been about a week and it's the supply are they relatively local like in case of

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 transportation disruptions a snowstorm something like that the product is

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 manufactured in Houston and then our our shipping time is is usually two to three

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 days we don't keep the storage tank at max capacity unless they give us a

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 notice that the times are gonna be a little bit longer than we'll double up

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 and bring it to max capacity in case there is a shortage we typically reorder

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 about 60 60 to 70 percent tank level okay so those trucks are it's from

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 Houston a truck comes up takes him a day or two to place the order fill the order

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 and then get arrives two days later yes sir from the from the minute that we

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 place the order it's typically 24-hour turn around there is there is some

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 expedited fees in this contract if we did need it faster and and they can't

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 get it to us within the normal time frame three days and we can expedite it

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 we've we've had to expedite once during storm URI so we typically don't really

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 need to expedite thank you yes sir you took my next question did this happen

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 during storm URI perfect I'm glad I got to you first Mr. Beck go ahead thank you

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 just one other question just so I'm clear the waste product is essentially

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 what is emitted the the aqueous ammonia mixed in with the toxic elements there's

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 no physical or liquid waste product from all this is there there there is a

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 little bit of water during the during the chemical process it evaporates

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 within the SCR blocks with the heat okay most of the byproduct is going to be

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 attached to the SCR blocks where you actually go in the lance and take out

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 take out the material and dispose of and that wastewater evaporates we don't send

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 it all somewhere no sir thank you no no accumulation like that mm-hmm okay any

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 further questions okay seeing none do we have a motion to approve

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 mr. epic was motioned second mr. cheek second all in favor say aye aye opposed

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 okay carries management reports madam chair members of the PB appreciate your

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 time today it's on your management reports we did send you a memo with some

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 legislative information certainly if you have any questions we'll be happy to

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 answer those today we have a number of staff people here and also on the phone

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 that can address any of any of those bills that are impacting our utilities

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 certainly there's other questions about the attachment and some additional bills

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 we can certainly try to respond to those this morning but before I go to that I

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 just wanted to go quickly to the new business action matrix with having

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 wrapped up hopefully this legislative update today we've also completed the

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 emergency preparedness you know we also gave a tour to a couple a couple of

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 members last week and kind of showed them a little bit more kind of there on

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 site some of the things that we've done that leaves us certainly we have the

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 solid waste pilot program on on composting I think Brian will probably

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 address sometime probably today and part of his presentation and then we have one

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 additional item on the solar insulation and how they impact the grid and that'll

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 be forthcoming to you with a much broader presentation on distributed

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 generation and kind of what we're doing with some of our solar programs but with

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 that happy to answer any questions like I said we do have a number of staff

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 people available if you have questions on the memo

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 mr. Ratback go ahead my question is kind of an overview is there's somebody

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 available could give us kind of a overview or summary of what all of this

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 information in this memo about the legislative session and all the various

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 updates yeah certainly I'll see if Terry Nolte even come up here he can the bulk

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 of these had to do with what electric utilities certainly there's other bills

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 that have impacted our other utilities I will mention one before Terry goes

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 forward and that's that's HB 1520 that's related to gas utilities obviously we

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 don't have a gas utility but but we do have regular authority regulatory

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 authority over some of these utilities when it comes to rate setting and so the

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 city did intervene as part of a larger coalition with this gas securitization

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 bill which is very similar to what happened on the electric side and think

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 think that that is now pushing forward we'll just mention that's about three

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 point three and a half billion dollars that gas utilities are going to be

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 securitizing and in passing back through to customers coaster of gas that's one

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 of our providers here at at most energy is the other provider which is a much

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 larger provider but coaster of gas did opt out of that securitization they're

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 gonna do their own financing and they're gonna set that at their own you know

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 whatever their own rate is and and they'll be passing that forward all of

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 this will probably be about a two and a half dollar to four dollar regulatory fee

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 per use per your per your volume your MMBT you or I think it's a different

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 measure on your gas bill that you'll be seeing here probably in the next few

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 months it's just a pass through to to customers the utilities will collect it

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 and then forward that on to this securitization agency that's been set up

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 very similar to what we saw on the electric side but Terry I'll turn it

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 over to Terry

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 assistant general manager DME so a lot of the legislation as you can imagine was

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 a result of what happened in February with winter storm URI and I guess just

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 from a very high level the two biggest bills impacting our utilities here in

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 Denton were Senate bill 2 and Senate bill 3 Senate bill 2 was a bill that

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 basically is PCT public utility Commission of Texas and ERCOT

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 governance bill change the governance structure of those organizations be glad

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 to answer any specific questions you have about those there are now two new

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 board members of ERCOT the ERCOT board has those two members have solicited a

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 proposal for a recruiting company to come in and help find additional board

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 members for ERCOT and of course ERCOT is the organization that controls the

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 electric grid in Texas yes sir so does that mean there are currently only two

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 members of the board that is correct they all step down as the prior board was

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 made up of about 18 people various segments of the industry had

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 representation on the board for instance the public power sector had two

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 representatives on that board that board has been dissolved pursuant to Senate

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 bill 2 and so these these two new board members will be heading up the the

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 search to find additional board members one of the new requirements is that the

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 board members must live in Texas and that they have to have expertise in

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 finance energy management natural gas it's pretty specific and prescriptive

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 and in the bill well thank you I didn't realize the board had been completely

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 yeah thank you Senate bill 3 was probably the biggest is the omnibus bill

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 and it dealt with both electric and water systems everything from mapping the

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 natural gas infrastructure across Texas to each generating facility to identify

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 critical resources critical loads along the system part of the problem during

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 Yuri was that a number of compressor stations that were not deemed critical

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 were lost power and couldn't pressurize gas in the pipelines there were a number

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 of gas processing facilities that also were not critical that shut down

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 couldn't process natural gas so that exacerbated the the shortage of natural

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 gas that we saw during that week in February under Senate bill 3 the Texas

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 Railroad Commission is to establish weatherization standards for the the

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 natural gas pipeline system that effort is under underway all critical loads are

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 being registered now with their with their respective utilities and then next

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 winter by next winter we hope to see weather standards that will be imposed

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 across all of the natural gas pipeline systems for this winter unfortunately

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 there will not be reliability standards imposed weatherize weatherization or

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 reliability standards imposed because there wasn't sufficient time to get

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 those regulations in place or through the public process on the electric side

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 much much different story we do have new weatherization standards we provided a

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 report to you last month on that we've done our weatherization efforts out at

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 the Denton Energy Center there is additional efforts that we will be taking

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 over time the Senate bill 3 also directed the Public Utility Commission

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 of Texas to establish new reliability regulations for ERCOT those are ongoing

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 today I think on December 8 December 19th we anticipate that the Public

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 Utility Commission will issue their roadmap for new market changes

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 reliability changes to try to avoid the the issues that we experienced in in

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 February as well as to better situate the the grid for the coming

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 intermittency of generation we have we have 20,000 megawatts of new solar

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 patents solar projects that will be coming online in the next three to four

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 years we've got another ten to fifteen thousand megawatts of wind and while it

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 wasn't the primary cause of winter storm URI the intermittency of the grid does

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 pose a big risk and so these new rules are intended to address that this new

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 direction from the Public Utility Commission I don't expect that we'll see

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 any definitive rules out on that probably for a year or so because it'll

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 take some time to get it through the stakeholder on the water side water

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 systems were adversely impacted during URI we had wool water advisories

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 throughout the state a number of water systems were shut down for weeks and so

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 the water systems were required to submit like the natural gas facilities

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 a list of their critical infrastructure to their local utilities so that they

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 would not lose power if there were rolling back rolling outages again also

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 the water utilities are in the midst of developing and submitting to TCEQ

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 emergency plans that will be reviewed by the agency to ensure that they've got

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 adequate procedures in place in the event of a repeat of the URI event so

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 that give you a high level enough overview of those two bills there were

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 there were many other bills obviously there's a long list I'm not those are

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 the two that I'm saying that would affect the city of Denton's utilities

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 most directly well thank you very much that's what I was looking for just a

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 overview there was way too much here to digest over the weekend mr. Beck go ahead

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 oh your mics on there you go sorry about that was there in this legislation was

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 there any consideration to since ERCOT is a self-imposed confined system in the

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 event we run into another extreme weather condition that creates its

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 problem again in the methods we put out there don't don't suffice was there any

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 consider is it consideration to link up to the neighboring grids that could

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 supply was that even a consideration there was discussions at the

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 legislature during the session of that issue it never made it into the bill it

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 is not one of the mandates under Senate bill 3 or Senate bill 2 for the

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 Commission to look at so I'm not aware I've been very I've been monitoring all

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 the developments of the Public Utility Commission and so far I haven't seen any

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 effort on their part to reach out to any surrounding grids to discuss

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 interconnection okay thank you and I see that the violation penalties are similar

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 to the NERC finds that that's correct see so we're getting more in alignment

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 there so yeah we we actually have a our first certification for the weather

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 ization efforts will go in on December 1st to the PUCT yeah all right other questions

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 thank you I guess that's it isn't it okay concluding items does any board

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 member wish to have something added to a future agenda item or making public

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 comments no all right then we'll go on to work session the first one is to

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 receive a report hold a discussion and give staff direction regarding the

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 options related to the completion and implementation of the comprehensive

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 solid waste management strategy what we've been waiting for exactly pins and

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 needles here so good morning madam chair members of the board I'm Brian burner

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 I'm the solid waste director for the city of Denton and I appreciate you

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 being here and listening to our discussion with me today I have several

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 members of the of the leadership of the solid waste department as well as our

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 consultant Scott Pasternak with Burns and McDonald what we hope to do today is

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 to provide a status update and receive comment direction on the development of

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 the city's comprehensive solid waste management strategy as envisioned the

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 strategy is to be a comprehensive forward and future-looking document that

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 will help the city in making sustainable decisions regarding its solid waste

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 management stream it's agnostic with regard to programs we're in the in terms

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 of sustainability we're not looking at products we're not looking at programs

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 but we're looking at process taking materials from point A to point B how to

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 efficiently do it how to economically do it and most importantly how to

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 environmentally do it or how to do it in an environmentally friendly manner you

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 know in short this document is not is about leading it's not about following

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 it's doing what's right for the city of Denton and its citizens we don't want to

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 operate inside or outside a box that has been divide defined by somebody else or

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 some other organization we want to create our own box and in that box

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 create or think much larger with regard to our solid waste management program

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 you know we want to support maximum diversion of our waste stream while

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 minimizing cost environmental impacts and as part of this process we're

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 looking where no one's looking before we're thinking where people aren't

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 thinking about right now we're believing where people haven't been believing in

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 the past and as such we're trying to make our program sustainable as possible

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 over this past year we've been looking and working to evaluate our waste

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 characteristic characteristics excuse me reviewing existing

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 programs both locally and nationally reviewing state and federal laws to

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 identify strategic points of synergy and in today's discussion we're going to be

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 discussing those six strategies that we've identified and really where we

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 want to focus our efforts as well as the metrics to help drive future programs

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 what we'd like to do this morning is really run as part of the presentation

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 is run through the entire presentation look at all six strategies and how they

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 relate to one another and then we'll back up and then as a as a as a board

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 look at each strategy individually so that we can understand you know we don't

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 want to ask a question now that may be addressed you know in one of the later

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 strategies so get it you know look at it holistically and then go back and look

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 at it individually so with that before we go into our presentation I know that

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 we have several new members on the board and again welcome and thank you for your

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 service but I know many of you have not been out to the landfill here recently

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 we've just finished the construction of our new landfill cell we've got our

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 exciting public disposal facility under construction if anybody would like to

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 come out take a look discuss garbage with us a little bit more we would be

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 glad to have you and receive you just get with Kim we'll get a appointment set

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 up and we'll give you the 50 cent tour so with that I would like to bring Scott

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 Pasternak to the the podium here and talk he'll go through the presentation

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 on the the the strategy good morning madam chair and board members again my

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 name is Scott Pasternak and I'm with Burns and McDonald's I've had the

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 opportunity to continue collaborating with the city of Denton on this strategy

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 development I say continue as I have worked while at Burns and Mack and then

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 with my prior firm with the city of Denton since about 2005 so I've had the

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 great opportunity to be a part of some of the tremendous efforts that have been

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 made in the past and continue to this day we also work pretty extensively with

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 other cities and in the Council of Governments and in this region so there

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 definitely are a lot of very exciting things that are happening from in the

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 world of solid waste management and recycling composting and some of which

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 the city of Denton is really at the leading edge of and then we'll talk

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 about those this morning it's really what I want to do with you all this

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 morning is to focus on three items first would be just to provide you with a

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 broad overview of the project overall how we've gotten to this point we are

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 definitely at the stage to where we are pretty far along in in the strategy

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 development but but nothing is finalized whatsoever so that the timing of this

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 meeting today as well as tomorrow we have a presentation before the City

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 Council hopefully is pretty close to perfect in terms of we can hopefully

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 answer your key questions and then any direction that you want to provide to us

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 you know this is definitely a timely point for that as well so then after we

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 provide the overview of where we are with the project we have engaged in some

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 very meaningful stakeholder engagement efforts so I'll provide an overview of

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 that and then as Brian mentioned then we'll jump into the six strategies that

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 we are in the process of developing and then after that be happy to answer any

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 questions that you may may have for us so this slide gives you a sense of the

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 overview of the work that we have have undertaken so going from from left to

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 right I won't go through each of the details in these boxes but just to hit

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 the highlights we started off with an evaluation of the existing system that

439
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:33,280
 did include a characterization study of the solid waste and recycling materials

440
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,880
 in the city from residents residence apartment complexes and businesses and

441
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,960
 that that's exactly what you may think that it is it's it's actually sorting

442
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:45,920
 through all of that trash and recycling to understand what that is really

443
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,840
 comprised of and I'll tell you in a few minutes how that that's really so

444
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:53,640
 important but then also getting into the details of the current system and

445
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:58,480
 understanding other issues such as the extensive growth that is occurring and

446
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,760
 expected to continue happening not only here in Denton but in the surrounding

447
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:08,480
 communities as as well so then where we've been focusing our efforts through

448
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:13,280
 the summer and in fall it's been to work with the city to develop a number of

449
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,340
 strategies and options which we will talk through with you all today which

450
00:42:17,340 --> 00:42:21,160
 are based on various goals and objectives that we have worked to

451
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:26,240
 establish with the city so ultimately what we will be developing is the solid

452
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:30,520
 waste management strategy which will include the six strategies that that

453
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,640
 again Brian referred to as well as what are the specific steps that can be taken

454
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:40,160
 now and into the future to implement those strategies the the bottom of this

455
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:44,520
 slide communicates that we have undertaken extensive stakeholder

456
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:49,200
 engagement in public outreach efforts as a part of this so let me walk through

457
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:54,560
 what some of those key aspects of have been we started off with a citywide

458
00:42:54,560 --> 00:43:00,080
 survey of residents across the community and very pleased to report that almost

459
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,960
 900 city of Denton residents did participate in that survey which we

460
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:12,040
 thought was a great turnout and then we did conduct a series of workshops with

461
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:17,920
 with the public that was really focused on helping them to understand not only

462
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,800
 where where the city of Denton is now with respect to solid waste management

463
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,920
 but more importantly where did the city of Denton want to go and into the future

464
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:30,760
 and so I'm going to share the results of that on the next slide but before I do

465
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:36,200
 that all the information as far as the results of the survey and then this this

466
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:43,360
 effort which was titled as a as a think tank summit are summarized in on a web

467
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:48,400
 page and in a report of which the website for that is listed at at the

468
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:53,960
 bottom of this slide it's not showing up super well but but it is there if you

469
00:43:53,960 --> 00:44:00,500
 want to access that so in terms of the the stakeholder engagement outcomes a

470
00:44:00,500 --> 00:44:05,920
 key part of that effort was to work with city of Denton residents and community

471
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:10,600
 members to ask them where do they want the city of Denton to be what's their

472
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:16,440
 vision for the future and what what we found as a part of that process was that

473
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,320
 in terms of the trajectory or the direction of that was that there was a

474
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:26,640
 strong preference for what the group described as has changed the future now

475
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:32,200
 so the context of that is we asked them to envision a future with different

476
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:36,880
 scenarios in terms of what would be the role of technology and policies as well

477
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:42,860
 as the importance of recycling reuse and reduction and there was a very clear

478
00:44:42,860 --> 00:44:47,840
 direction that that there was a strong interest in change and so of the

479
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:53,800
 different categories of a future scenario the one that they picked was

480
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,400
 the one that was was the most progressive in terms of changing that

481
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:02,680
 the future and then the second bullet on that left-hand side communicates the the

482
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:08,480
 velocity in terms of how how quickly versus how far out in the future does

483
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,760
 the community want that to occur and based on the the responses from the

484
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:18,900
 survey there is definitely significant support for near-term action hence the

485
00:45:18,900 --> 00:45:24,600
 change the future now perspective also we did talk with them about a number of

486
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,800
 solid waste management trends the top three ones are communicated here and

487
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,880
 you'll see those themes reflected in the various strategies that we'll talk about

488
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,840
 in just a few minutes in terms of recycling education the population

489
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,960
 growth that is occurring again not only here in the city but in surrounding

490
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:46,480
 communities and the impacts that that has not only on the landfill side but

491
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,680
 hopefully opportunities for for recycling and we're gonna hold off on

492
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,240
 questions until they get through the whole presentation this time because

493
00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:59,680
 they're gonna get deeper dive is that yes yes if that would be okay and then

494
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:05,680
 the last trend identified here is is with regard to landfill capacity so the

495
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:11,000
 city had didn't as Brian just mentioned as has undergone recently efforts to

496
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,640
 increase the capacity of the landfill which from an infrastructure perspective

497
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:19,720
 is is very important but it still is a finite resource and so looking at how

498
00:46:19,720 --> 00:46:24,200
 that should be effectively managed into the future is a key part of the strategy

499
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:29,560
 development effort so what I'll do now is is to walk through each of these

500
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:34,920
 strategies and individually and one of the key reasons for the request to to

501
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,980
 please hold the questions to the end is that a lot of these strategies are very

502
00:46:38,980 --> 00:46:44,080
 much interrelated to each other so that some of the recommendations and one

503
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:50,680
 strategy will kind of rise up again under some of the other strategies so

504
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:54,400
 that you can see how they are interrelated so I'm going to go through

505
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:59,920
 each one of these individually at this point and so each of these next six

506
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:05,160
 slides are organized in the same manner it's where the the top of it just gives

507
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:11,400
 the background on what the strategy is and why it's important and then what we

508
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:16,280
 have identified as shown in the the green numbered items are the specific

509
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,760
 recommendations that are under consideration and at this point so

510
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:24,960
 again we are actively working on developing these at this point so again

511
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:29,160
 to the extent that you have questions or comments directions for us that would

512
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:35,080
 definitely be appreciated and then as shown with the blue magnifying glass

513
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:39,640
 that indicates what are going to be that the key performance indicators there will

514
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:44,120
 be some overlap amongst the different strategies whereas others will have

515
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:50,400
 their own unique key performance indicators or KPIs so as far as this

516
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:56,400
 this strategy here it's it's really all about efforts to enhance education

517
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:03,520
 outreach and and compliance the city of Denton does already have a very robust

518
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:08,720
 education and outreach efforts but from a strategy development perspective this

519
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:15,920
 is really critical because it there it gets just really so confusing out there

520
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:21,040
 in terms of what materials should go into what what places from a trash

521
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:27,480
 recycling and composting perspective and so to really focus in on that now and

522
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:32,360
 into the future is it's really going to be important to minimize the stuff that

523
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:37,280
 should not go into recycling carts which we call contamination as well as to

524
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:43,480
 increase sustainability efforts so the three key recommendations here are for

525
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:49,360
 the city to continue to collaborate with its recycling processor to understand

526
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:54,200
 how much of the material that can be recycled is is actually being recycled

527
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:59,040
 so if you think about aluminum cans plastic bottles paper that should be

528
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:03,800
 recycled how much of that is truly getting recycled as well as on the

529
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:08,080
 contamination side how much of the bad stuff is ending up in the in the wrong

530
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:14,840
 places and so by getting more robust in terms of that information the city can

531
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:21,080
 continue to target its education and outreach efforts in a data-driven manner

532
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:25,800
 to those audience that really need that information most effectively and then

533
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:31,480
 the third item is is to over time to look to incorporate incentives and into

534
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:36,760
 various compliance programs so I think the city very much wants to lead with

535
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:41,240
 with the carrot type of an approach but to the extent that after you have

536
00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:46,000
 exhausted extensive education and outreach efforts there may be a need to

537
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:53,640
 look into compliance activities as well so the next strategy focuses on

538
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:59,320
 implementing innovative organics management so one of the things that we

539
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:04,080
 learned when we did the characterization work was how much organic material is

540
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:09,800
 is going into the city's landfill from really across all three of the different

541
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,360
 sectors that we evaluated so single-family and multifamily households

542
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:19,000
 as well as the the commercial sector so we talk about the city of Denton being

543
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:24,000
 very innovative I would say that these efforts on the organic side definitely

544
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:30,960
 speak to that so the first one is is an effort to pilot commercial organics

545
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:36,760
 composting or a co-digestion program at the Pecan Creek wastewater treatment

546
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:42,840
 plant so this this is a program that's looking to bring in material predominantly

547
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:47,440
 food waste from the commercial sector and to divert that so that it does not

548
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:53,420
 go into to the landfill with it being a new program that's being done on a pilot

549
00:50:53,420 --> 00:50:59,780
 basis and then the second one is is to optimize a program that's already in

550
00:50:59,780 --> 00:51:04,560
 place that accepts predominantly yard waste but there is an opportunity for

551
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:09,720
 residents to divert food scraps as as a part of that and so to optimize that

552
00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:15,480
 that program as well so essentially on the organic side the city is looking at

553
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:20,240
 the continuation of a program that's already in place residentially but then

554
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:23,920
 recognizing that there is a very significant amount of material

555
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:28,080
 commercially out there and figuring out what's going to be the best way over

556
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:35,240
 time to divert that material on on the landfill side here the strategy is is to

557
00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:40,720
 efficiently utilize utilize that landfill capacity and I think the the

558
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:47,000
 city is is really wise here to recognize that there are a number of benefits for

559
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:52,040
 the city to provide the use of the facility to neighboring communities but

560
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:58,040
 also a recognition that that there is a finite amount of capacity and then these

561
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:03,120
 issues to some extent are are somewhat magnified because some of the other

562
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:07,920
 landfills in the region are reaching capacity and so that's going to create

563
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:13,320
 further pressure on the Denton landfill in the future and so what we're

564
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:21,440
 recommending here is to continue to to utilize disposal contracts with third

565
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:26,600
 parties that want to utilize the the Denton landfill but this is probably the

566
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:30,960
 first time I think that anybody's ever thought of this idea but to offer

567
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:37,000
 somewhat better rates on disposal to the extent that those entities would

568
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:42,280
 participate more so in recycling and composting programs so that they really

569
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,880
 start to partner in to buy in with the city's broader efforts to divert

570
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:52,000
 materials and then the city does definitely benefit financially from

571
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:56,960
 these third-party times that come in to the landfill and is doing an effective

572
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:01,800
 job to pay off existing debt with that additional revenue but after that debt

573
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:08,680
 is retired the recommendation here is to establish a disposal contract revenue

574
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:14,720
 specialized fund that you utilize to stabilize your residential rates as well

575
00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:20,080
 as to continue to fund diversion programs and then because landfill

576
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:26,240
 pricing is so dynamic the third aspect is is to conduct routine market studies

577
00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:33,760
 to track landfill market pricing and to set rates accordingly again we have

578
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:39,440
 mentioned how much growth is is happening and so that's really important to think

579
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:44,200
 about with regard to planning for infrastructure it's it's been really

580
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:48,560
 interesting as we've had an opportunity to take a deeper dive to understand the

581
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:52,960
 potential development that's happening a little bit out out to the west with the

582
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:57,520
 Hunter Cole area because that's going to require some some very significant

583
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:02,760
 infrastructure planning not just for for solid waste but but across the city and

584
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:08,920
 so we are recommending that the idea of a transfer station which is a facility

585
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:15,040
 where trucks would go to drop off their material be considered and then that

586
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:19,280
 material is then aggregated into bigger trucks that then would go to either the

587
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:26,640
 landfill and or diversion facilities for organics and or or recycling but we are

588
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:32,680
 we also are saying this should only be constructed when certain minimum tonnage

589
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:37,080
 thresholds are achieved so that the facility can be operationally and

590
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:43,160
 cost-effective there's also under item number two a trend and we're seeing this

591
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:48,920
 not only in Denton but but really cities all across Texas and that is for single

592
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:53,220
 family housing units to be built differently today and in the future than

593
00:54:53,220 --> 00:54:58,320
 now they have been historically in terms of you know typically smaller lot sizes

594
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:03,480
 so more compact development yeah exactly yeah which which on one hand is is great

595
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:08,200
 but our point here is that you just got to make sure that city policies allow

596
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:13,760
 for those new home styles to be properly serviced by the city and in the future

597
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:19,460
 and then recognizing under number three how important not only the the single

598
00:55:19,460 --> 00:55:24,960
 family sector is but also on the multifamily commercial and as it is more

599
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:30,360
 construction occurs C&D stands for construction demolition materials to

600
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:35,400
 look to further customize diversion incentives for those different sectors

601
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:41,040
 as well so optimizing recycling processing is going to be a really

602
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:47,760
 important strategy so the city of Denton does have just like many communities and

603
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:52,840
 in Texas challenges with the wrong type of stuff making its way into the

604
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:58,040
 recycling system and so based on the results of the characterization study

605
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:02,040
 that I mentioned because we looked at not only the the trash side but also

606
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,680
 recycling and so we have an understanding of what's the the bad stuff

607
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:10,480
 that's going into the recycling stream and then also conduct talking with staff

608
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:16,040
 as well as the the recycling company that processes the city's material is to

609
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:20,800
 make a very concerted efforts to identify what those materials are and

610
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:27,200
 what is the more appropriate way for that material to be diverted so believe

611
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:31,720
 it or not a lot of clothing or textiles can make their way into a recycling

612
00:56:31,720 --> 00:56:35,880
 system so there's lots of great opportunities to otherwise divert that

613
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:39,600
 material and so here it's connecting those those points to be able to

614
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:43,400
 communicate that as part of those education and outreach efforts that I

615
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:49,360
 mentioned earlier the city does have you know when when Brian mentioned coming

616
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:54,080
 out for the 50 cent tour may cost you a buck if you also check out that the

617
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:59,080
 recycling facility that's out there but it is co located out at the out of the

618
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:03,680
 landfill complex and that was an innovative approach that the city put in

619
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:11,000
 place with the recycling company and so that that agreement does have about five

620
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:15,520
 years left on that and so we are working with the city in terms of developing

621
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:21,400
 what the strategy could be for the next five years and and beyond we think that

622
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:26,680
 there is on one hand a lot of value to see the extent to which that facility or

623
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:31,200
 the city could continue that relationship with that company but also

624
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:36,920
 as we talk about the need to look at servicing the community on a broader

625
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:42,040
 perspective there may be a need to expand that facility as well and there

626
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:47,480
 are several other cities and kind of in the northern part of the north central

627
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:53,080
 Texas planning region that are also very much focused on increasing recycling and

628
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:57,480
 and want to be innovative in terms of having the right types of processing

629
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,720
 facilities and so city of Denton may be in a good position in the next couple

630
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:08,120
 years to either look to expand the existing facility and or partner with

631
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:13,800
 other communities in the area so then the the last strategy that that we're

632
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:19,120
 talking about this morning is is the need to support combination of new

633
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:25,000
 markets and and to leverage partnerships the really good news here is so much of

634
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:29,800
 this or efforts that are already underway but from a long-term strategy

635
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,920
 development perspective it's really important to keep the focus on these

636
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:38,520
 efforts so this starts with continued coordination with other city

637
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:44,400
 departments in the areas of sustainable procurement in terms of green purchasing

638
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:52,120
 efforts requirements that will be put in place possibly initially for city

639
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:56,360
 buildings in terms of green building requirements but that could look to be

640
00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:02,240
 expanded beyond that if the city chooses to do so and then just recognizing that

641
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:06,720
 people should hopefully have an opportunity to recycle material not

642
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:10,040
 only at their homes and businesses but also when they're out in the Denton

643
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:15,320
 community from a public space recycling perspective there there's already

644
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:20,960
 extensive efforts with the school district but coming out of the

645
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:25,760
 challenges with with Kovac there's also a number of opportunities to really

646
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:30,240
 specifically get back into the classrooms and to better leverage those

647
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:37,000
 those partnerships with DISD as well as other local nonprofits for additional

648
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:43,640
 diversion and community benefits such as food donations and then we talked earlier

649
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:51,320
 about the idea of contracting with other local governments and to create

650
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:56,160
 incentives on the programs that they put in place if they want to bring their

651
00:59:56,160 --> 01:00:01,440
 their landfill material to the city and to create incentives for them to also do

652
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:06,040
 more from a recycling and composting perspective but City of Denton also

653
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:11,120
 serves a really important need and not only for it for the city but also the

654
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:17,080
 kind of the Denton County region and that is to provide services for the

655
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:24,720
 management of household chemicals and that's a pretty unique service the City

656
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:28,960
 of Denton is the only one in Denton County that offers that and so we think

657
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:33,200
 that's a really good opportunity for the city to coordinate with those other

658
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:38,460
 local governments to expand those efforts and not to limit that to the

659
01:00:38,460 --> 01:00:43,760
 household chemical collection but also on the landfill and other diversion

660
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:48,680
 aspects so I appreciate your your patience and letting me go through the

661
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:53,440
 the presentation but with that we'll be happy to answer any questions that you

662
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:58,800
 may have for us. Thank you all right we'll start on that and Mr. Beck you go

663
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:04,120
 first well I'm sure everybody has a question. Thank you for your

664
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:10,280
 presentation one of the things that struck me and there's studies and

665
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:16,320
 commentary out there about that are objective and some subjective about

666
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:21,400
 recycling plastics is that going to be a problem for us I mean the use of

667
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:25,640
 plastics is extensive I would hate to see us not be able to recycle those

668
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:30,520
 things but right are you running into particular problems about this and could

669
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:35,160
 you kind of sure no that's that's a great question and thank you for

670
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:40,440
 bringing that up yeah so with plastics there's there's all different types of

671
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:47,920
 plastics right and so some plastics are very easy to recycle and recycling

672
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:52,800
 facilities have been constructed to process those materials and those

673
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:57,240
 materials are actually extremely valuable so that would include your

674
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:06,320
 water and soda bottles as well as detergent and milk containers as well

675
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:11,440
 but where things get have gotten a little bit more challenging is so many

676
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:16,480
 other types of plastics that have become so much more common in packaging over

677
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:24,000
 the last few years so yogurt cups kind of the black plastic that you see so

678
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:28,560
 often and to-go food containers so those those are the plastics that are that are

679
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:32,160
 really challenging and in the ones that when you see things and in the news that

680
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:36,280
 that are out there but there are some some technology developments that are

681
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:40,480
 occurring that will hopefully allow for those materials to be recycled in the

682
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:45,160
 future but they have had several challenges with their recyclability

683
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:54,000
 challenging how well okay one of the biggest sectors also that that nobody

684
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:58,480
 across the nation right now is looking at is plastic film you know you buy a

685
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:03,800
 case of water at Sam's and basically it's just water bottles companies plastic

686
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:07,960
 around it you bring home that t-shirt bag from the grocery store and the state

687
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:11,920
 law will not allow us to ban those from state of Texas so you know or for our

688
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:16,340
 use you know everything comes in some has some sort of plastic film on it and

689
01:03:16,340 --> 01:03:21,520
 and because of the the characteristic of the film it's not recyclable it basically

690
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:25,640
 tears the plant apart so I think that that's a wonderful opportunity somewhere

691
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:29,680
 we've got to again you know we're trying to think inside that the Denton box how

692
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:34,360
 do we go about managing that sector of plastic also into something that can be

693
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:37,840
 beneficially reused so not only the plastics that we see as containers

694
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:41,400
 yogurt cups water bottles things of that nature but the things that that are

695
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:45,240
 technically plastic that we don't consider plastic right now as far as

696
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:48,920
 recycling program so it's a much broader question than what we originally

697
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:56,080
 consider is this recyclable yes it is okay we would prefer that it be clean

698
01:03:56,080 --> 01:04:00,000
 dry and empty and the cap beyond when you drop it in your container keep the

699
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:04,840
 cap on and the reason being is when the cap is off and we compact it in the in

700
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:10,680
 the trash compact or in the in the truck basically becomes flat and so as it's

701
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:14,360
 going through the Murph the the machinery in there reads it as a piece

702
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:18,640
 of paper or cardboard because it's so flat by keeping the the cap on it it

703
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:22,020
 creates a third dimension on it and we're able to pull that out as plastic

704
01:04:22,020 --> 01:04:26,360
 as opposed to contaminating the bale of paper that has been a little confusing

705
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:32,720
 for some people trust me thank you all right mr. right back your turn yes I had

706
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:39,480
 a question earlier on you had mentioned a survey early on in your presentation I

707
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:45,440
 may have missed the framing of that survey who was surveyed where it came

708
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,280
 from when it was done that sort of thing could you give us a little background

709
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:54,200
 sure yeah no no of course happy to do that so that was a survey that was

710
01:04:54,200 --> 01:05:00,600
 focused on getting an understanding of how important did city of Denton

711
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:07,800
 residents consider 18 different drivers of change that focused on a variety of

712
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:14,360
 landfill and other recycling types of topics and so that was publicized through

713
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:19,200
 various city city channels and like I did mention city got what I what we

714
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:25,800
 thought was a very strong and positive response rate to that and show this as

715
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:29,520
 as a slide but it's one that we could certainly get to if you want to see it

716
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:34,240
 but one of the most interesting things that we saw about that was the

717
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:40,320
 distribution in terms of ages was relatively evenly distributed across the

718
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:45,920
 different age groups within the city so that was very indicative to us that it

719
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:52,000
 was a very positive response rate and it lined up also perfectly in terms of the

720
01:05:52,000 --> 01:06:00,640
 interest in changing efforts was what was more pronounced the younger the

721
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:04,400
 people are here in the city of Denton and so that you know I think that also

722
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:09,200
 speaks to you know future generations that are you know really come in coming

723
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:13,320
 into play now in terms of you know raising families and working here in

724
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:16,880
 Denton you know really to some extent leading the charge in terms of that

725
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:20,960
 whole change the future now perspective how many respondents were there to the

726
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:25,560
 service just short of eight short of nine hundred I think was eight eighty

727
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:36,000
 three okay thank you all right mr. jumper okay so you had one of the points was

728
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:41,480
 talking about organics management and diverting it sounded like mostly food

729
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:45,600
 waste to be processed differently I was curious how will that be processed what

730
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:51,920
 does that mean exactly so on the there's a couple of different potential options

731
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:57,960
 for that will be considered as a part of the pilot program is for that material

732
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:03,040
 to be taken to the pecan Creek wastewater treatment plant and then there

733
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:07,600
 actually will be a piece of equipment that the city's in the process of

734
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:14,000
 purchasing it's called a macerator yeah macerator so kind of like a huge garbage

735
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:18,520
 disposal right so it'll it'll really tear up that material so that it can

736
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:25,560
 then go into the anaerobic digestion processing so that's that's one one one

737
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:31,040
 option that is being considered and then the other is that as a part of its

738
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:36,240
 recent permitting efforts on the landfill side the city could also if it

739
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:41,520
 would have an interest in doing so also include food scraps as a part of future

740
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:48,520
 composting efforts you know in addition to the back end manager of this I think

741
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:52,320
 we're also be focusing on the front end management of this I mean guy walks into

742
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:55,400
 the doctor's office and says doctor doctor it hurts when I do this and the

743
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:59,660
 answer is don't do that you know part of it is we have to figure out how not to

744
01:07:59,660 --> 01:08:02,960
 make food waste are we purchasing the right amounts are we cooking the right

745
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:06,640
 amount so your mom always said clean your plate so we want to make sure none

746
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:10,080
 of that's going in you know if we if we can figure out how to manage that on the

747
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:13,800
 front end that we don't have to make compost on the back end and again you

748
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:16,800
 know the really good way about managing this potentially through the anaerobic

749
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:21,320
 digesters again many of y'all weren't on the the board when we started this

750
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:28,020
 process a year ago but you know we we we generate landfill gas at the at the city

751
01:08:28,020 --> 01:08:31,560
 of landfill what we want to do is go ahead and couple that with the gas that's

752
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:36,240
 created the anaerobic digester we're in the final phases of looking at a contract

753
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:40,560
 and hiring a company that actually grab that gas create pipeline grade quality

754
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:45,720
 and pay us for it to the tune of considerable amounts of money that way

755
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:50,600
 you know we can you know put that into the as green renewable gas you know into

756
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:55,080
 that the utmost pipeline and then on the back end manage that in our existing

757
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:59,480
 beneficial reuse program so again one we're using existing infrastructure to

758
01:08:59,480 --> 01:09:03,280
 we're using existing program how much does it cost for us to spin up that

759
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:08,140
 program zero dollars but again we're we've got that synergy that's into a

760
01:09:08,140 --> 01:09:12,440
 fact in effect so again you know doing things just a little bit different but

761
01:09:12,440 --> 01:09:15,500
 again at the end of the day you know meeting our sustainability goes but

762
01:09:15,500 --> 01:09:18,220
 making it cost-effective and environmentally friendly for the

763
01:09:18,220 --> 01:09:24,920
 citizens of city of Denton all right mr. cheek your turn okay I got a couple of

764
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:32,080
 categories here and I will admit that I didn't hit every backup link that you

765
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:39,760
 put in here so it may be in here did you address in this your your pavement

766
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:45,740
 recycling asphalt and concrete at all we have not and the reason being is there's

767
01:09:45,740 --> 01:09:50,200
 significant third-party opportunities out there city of Denton doesn't need to

768
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:54,200
 be in a third-party business so if we can find you know recyclers out there

769
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:58,680
 that have you know operations that can manage that material then as part of our

770
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:02,000
 program it's education and outreach you've got brick you got asphalt you've

771
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:05,840
 got concrete that needs to be these are the people you want to go with not city

772
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:09,240
 of Denton you don't have contracts anymore to crush concrete we do not we

773
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:12,360
 have not crushed in probably three years and so you refuse to take it as we

774
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:17,720
 refuse to take it at this you know we do accept some small amounts of millings and

775
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:21,900
 such into our landfill to help us with the interior roads but again we're not

776
01:10:21,900 --> 01:10:25,880
 doing it for profit we're not you know investing that effort and then turning

777
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:29,160
 around we were losing close to a million and a half dollars a year as a result of

778
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:33,880
 that process and that didn't make any sense whatsoever you know that it's in

779
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:39,800
 the news right now that there's trouble having permits for third parties to even

780
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:44,000
 make this process correct you know and so as part of this you know we may end

781
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:47,800
 up you know contracting with somebody that you know we help them with permitting

782
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:51,080
 or something along the way but I think that that's the bigger thought that we

783
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:54,680
 have to look at from for regionalization standpoint that's a great idea if you

784
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:58,960
 can get that sold yeah difficult to get that sold though thank you next next

785
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:02,400
 question I had I know I've brought this up before is part of the study going to

786
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:07,640
 come out with maybe at least one line item that says if we were to refuse

787
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:13,840
 third parties waste into our landfills what would that cost the current the

788
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:19,280
 existing Denton ratepayers it may not be that overt but there will be a

789
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:24,000
 significant discussion about what the value of that material is coming in and

790
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:28,680
 what it means as we look at funding programs in the future I mean none of

791
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:32,960
 this is free City of Denton right now enjoys one of the lowest rates in the

792
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:37,720
 entire city in the entire state of Texas with regard to its fairly robust

793
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:42,080
 delivery and as we start adding stuff on we got to find ways to pay for it comes

794
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:46,800
 from one or two places either from the residents pockets or some innovative

795
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:51,280
 third party and if we can figure out that that management way I mean back in

796
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:54,640
 the olden days you know you're a sustenance farmer you grew for yourself

797
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:57,680
 you had seed corn and then you grew just a little bit extra that you could

798
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:01,240
 barter with the guy down at the store sell to a neighbor this or that and

799
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:04,320
 that's kind of what we're looking for that little bit extra that will help

800
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:11,320
 contain those costs helps ensure some some financial security and reliability

801
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:16,200
 but then also you know control the rates that were that were charging right and

802
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:20,040
 I know you know what why I'm talking about that because what is the cost now

803
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:25,800
 versus when we lose our landfill exactly so exactly but again you know if as Scott

804
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:29,760
 was saying you know bigger picture if we can you know have some third-party

805
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:34,400
 contracts but provide some financial operational incentives to give them just

806
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:37,920
 a little bit lower rate to divert a little bit more than at the end of the

807
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:42,920
 day our six-year facility may become an 80 85 100 year facility you know

808
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:45,840
 everybody in this room will be gone by then but they'll be thanking us for

809
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:49,680
 being as innovative and thought forward thinking trying to ensure that that's

810
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:52,800
 that will happen yeah and I like the fact that again that you're working with

811
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:59,160
 other city departments because obviously they're they're all be affected and and

812
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:03,720
 then they can contribute to especially on the the paving products recycling so

813
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:07,080
 okay thank you

814
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:15,680
 thank you madam chair so this is a big shift from the last comprehensive solid

815
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:24,400
 waste plan I I'm I was trying to align the previous one to the current one and

816
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:34,640
 I don't know I'm having trouble even just even their entire sections that

817
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:40,680
 don't that don't no longer exist I guess would be how to say it the the survey

818
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:46,720
 overwhelmingly returned that we want to use technology to ease transition I

819
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:52,480
 think there was a fair amount of interest in zero waste which I believe

820
01:13:52,480 --> 01:13:58,760
 the city of Denton landfill had been looking toward and was was actually part

821
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:03,640
 of like the zero waste alliance maybe ten years ago and that's all gone

822
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:11,360
 completely removed there was you know previously there were a focus on third

823
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:20,400
 party partnerships at the landfill it was to to inset you know improve the

824
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:25,880
 recycling services fine you know the biodiesel facility it's no longer there

825
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:35,920
 the waste landfill ELR to waste gas to electric generation that we paid about

826
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:43,000
 two hundred sixty thousand dollars to a company to remove a few months ago you

827
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:47,560
 know there was also talk of other other forms of diversion the construction

828
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:53,080
 demolition waste you know that that entire program was canceled and it was

829
01:14:53,080 --> 01:15:00,680
 it was costing money at the time but in the in place of that you know we'll

830
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:04,640
 we'll give you the card we'll give you the phone number of a company that takes

831
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:09,520
 construction waste well I can't show up with a pickup truckload of lumber and

832
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:15,760
 shingles to the place down off you know on 35 they won't accept it you know I

833
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:23,160
 have to be I have to be a construction scale customer to use those facilities

834
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:28,480
 so if we go to the landfill on any given Thursday afternoon a quarter to a third

835
01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:32,880
 of the vehicles are small construction waste you know there's a lot of two by

836
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:38,080
 fours and sheetrock and maybe some concrete and other just building

837
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:47,800
 materials we're we're and that decreases our diversion rate we're land filling

838
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:54,440
 that stuff instead of selling the scrap wood for cement kiln fuel or other kind

839
01:15:54,440 --> 01:16:00,960
 of you know perhaps composting those scrap that scrap wood if it's not

840
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:08,160
 treated of course it could go in our in our yard waste composting we're no

841
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:12,640
 longer taking oil private companies are taking oil but then a lot more oil ends

842
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:16,480
 up like vegetable oil like food oil so we are currently taking vegetable oh you

843
01:16:16,480 --> 01:16:19,480
 are okay we've never stopped taking that but where does that where does that it

844
01:16:19,480 --> 01:16:22,600
 goes to our home chemical collection facility and then it goes to a biodiesel

845
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:26,280
 recycler okay all right that's good to hear because I hadn't heard anything

846
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:33,880
 about that and so I worry that our stated goal from our citizens and our

847
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:41,000
 you know focus group is technology which is efficiency and ease of use which the

848
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:45,520
 goal is to reduce the friction to do the right thing to make it where recycling

849
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:49,800
 is automatic you don't have to think hard about it you don't have to do a

850
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:57,000
 lot of work to do the right thing you don't have to you know more having more

851
01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:00,440
 recycling drop-off facilities I know they're they're challenging for the

852
01:17:00,440 --> 01:17:05,560
 pickup aspect around Christmas they get or any major shopping season they get

853
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:10,600
 overfilled you know and they kind of create litter but when we begin to

854
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:18,760
 remove those now that that stuff ends up in trash cans or it ends up you know

855
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:23,400
 dumped alongside of the road or things like that so we have this we need to

856
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:31,360
 there might be things that are laborious but that decrease the friction for

857
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:37,000
 citizens and companies and so forth to to do the right thing it might be easier

858
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:43,200
 to landfill the small construction waste that hits that reaches the landfill but

859
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:48,760
 that uses airspace that shortens the life of the landfill there isn't really

860
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:53,600
 any other diversion choice for somebody with a pickup truckload of you know

861
01:17:53,600 --> 01:18:02,520
 small construction waste you know that other examples glass textiles home

862
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:06,520
 furnishings at one point there was like a lot of that stuff ends up at the

863
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:12,520
 landfill just because you know there the friction to getting it somewhere else is

864
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:22,240
 high and I really feel like we're missing the opportunity in this plan to

865
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:28,520
 to implement that vision of a low friction ease of use high technology

866
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:34,360
 partnerships with third parties for perhaps glass recycling or home

867
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:40,360
 furnishing textile diversion there's a lot of land at the landfill and it'd be

868
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:45,160
 pretty easy to do a 20 year lease with a facility or a 10 year lease or a five

869
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:51,440
 year lease kind of like with Pratt our recycling facility to allow to lower the

870
01:18:51,440 --> 01:18:57,840
 cost of maybe a glass recycler or home furnishing you know reuse center or

871
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:04,360
 something along those lines and I don't I don't see even where it fits like we

872
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:06,640
 even when we talk about efficiently using our landfill we're talking about

873
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:12,440
 like making it where Louisville has to recycle all that helps but I really want

874
01:19:12,440 --> 01:19:20,160
 us to more holistically look at all of the diversion possibilities and you know

875
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:25,960
 the the friction and the friction points that prevent diversion from happening

876
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:29,440
 well and I think you've hit the nail right on the head and I agree with every

877
01:19:29,440 --> 01:19:33,600
 single point you said yeah we've had you know solid waste management plans in the

878
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:39,260
 past and we were going towards solid zero waste the issue with that is they're

879
01:19:39,260 --> 01:19:44,400
 very static and the minute we start diverting markets change this you know

880
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:48,440
 something external happens to it we start forcing it it becomes expensive it

881
01:19:48,440 --> 01:19:52,280
 becomes you know under responsive and as a result we're spending a lot of money

882
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:56,280
 for very little result what we're proposing here is a solid waste

883
01:19:56,280 --> 01:20:00,480
 management strategy not a plan so what allows us to do is be a little more

884
01:20:00,480 --> 01:20:05,720
 limber a little more nimble to be able to affect exactly what you're talking

885
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:10,080
 about much smaller scale much smaller programs to affect not only the large

886
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:14,400
 community in general but really the mom and pop who may have that sofa that's

887
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:19,040
 still good we don't want to throw it into into the trash so we create some

888
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:22,640
 sort of third-party your opportunity that allows us to get that out of the

889
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:27,200
 waste stream so again that's what you what you succinctly tried to identify

890
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:31,960
 there is that is the very reason we're going with the strategy versus a plan I

891
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:36,840
 just spent four days in Florida with a thousand of the the top solid waste

892
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:41,080
 directors across the nation at the solid at waste con basically it's you know all

893
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:46,120
 garbage all the time in four days I heard the term zero waste one time and

894
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:50,680
 it was in a negative capacity only because everybody who's had zero waste

895
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:55,880
 goals which in reality are 50 60 70 percent diversion talk about really

896
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:59,480
 having to push those goals out because they won't meet them they're arbitrary

897
01:20:59,480 --> 01:21:02,440
 and there's really only one number they're trying to chase if you noticed

898
01:21:02,440 --> 01:21:06,280
 in each of our KPIs we had our key performance indicators we had five or

899
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:09,720
 six different things that we're going to be monitoring one may go up one may go

900
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:13,840
 down but all these things to find the goal the term that we were using was

901
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:19,200
 circular economy linear injunctions you know exclusions things of that

902
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:22,600
 nature and that's really what the concept is behind the strategy so that

903
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:27,960
 we can look much bigger and be able to more efficiently manage the health and

904
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:32,720
 the direction in a much quicker manner than than what traditional solid waste

905
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:36,640
 management plans and zero waste plans have in fact so again I appreciate you

906
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:41,120
 you picking up on that but you know that's where we're going to be going

907
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:45,400
 again you know and again that the first part of that you know you're sort of

908
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:49,200
 seeing it here four or five months before before it in so we appreciate

909
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:52,800
 you're bringing up those things but these are the strategies so that that

910
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:56,680
 when we get this final document first part of next year it will include some

911
01:21:56,680 --> 01:22:01,560
 of those key points and programs that we may want to be considering first and

912
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:04,280
 foremost from a sustainability standpoint but from a cost and

913
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:09,880
 environmental impact standpoint also thank you thank you my turn I first a

914
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:16,000
 couple comments I love the KPIs I can't prove what you can't measure and the

915
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:21,720
 conversation around reduce don't create in the first time then reuse it give

916
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:26,680
 that sofa to the college student who's moving into an apartment and you know

917
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:29,840
 and your blender and your margarita machine whatever you know every college

918
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:34,240
 kid needs one of those yeah and then start recycling the things that are

919
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:38,880
 recycling and that goes right back to that whole education piece the food

920
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:44,000
 waste I'm really interested in that like how much of that food waste that

921
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:50,440
 restaurants are creating is gonna go into organics and how much can go to our

922
01:22:50,440 --> 01:22:55,640
 daily bread to feed the people who need to be fed well you know and I know

923
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:59,680
 that's in your strategy so I'm applauding you on part of the strategy

924
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:03,980
 on that is not a solid waste discussion at all it's a risk management discussion

925
01:23:03,980 --> 01:23:07,760
 you know taking food that the hotel may have had left over from a banquet and

926
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:12,200
 giving it to our daily bread you know there is a risk piece to that there is

927
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:15,880
 and until we get over that hill that will never happen if we can cross that

928
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:20,080
 hill and all of a sudden we've we've eliminated a huge sector of waste and

929
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:25,000
 it's been done I can tell you the community has been done it but and then

930
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:30,240
 last plastics have a huge BTU content is there any way we could use that somehow

931
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:36,960
 to create energy electricity you know there probably is and and you know

932
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:40,280
 whether it's sending it to cement kiln for heat or you know setting up some

933
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:44,760
 sort of waste energy plant here but you know Terry and his and Tony and his crew

934
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:48,280
 they do a wonderful job with our renewable portfolio so I'm not sure if

935
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:54,120
 they want to spin up another facility but again you know that they do you know it

936
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:57,840
 does have a large you know BTU value but at the end of the day there's still ash

937
01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:01,920
 and other components of that that has to go to a landfill so you know just

938
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:05,840
 burning it doesn't get rid of it yep absolutely

939
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:15,800
 question from mr. Beck in terms of those will value plastics so like the the film

940
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:21,760
 example or the because it's just it's combination of just like I mean just

941
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:25,120
 start to collect all the various film that that you generated in your

942
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:30,120
 household and it's a lot of it and so part of what we'll be addressing in this

943
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:34,200
 strategy is you know first and foremost is you can just take that material right

944
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:39,480
 back to the grocery store for that to be recycled but to the extent that that

945
01:24:39,480 --> 01:24:46,280
 does end up in the recycling system and can be diverted there's actually our

946
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:52,140
 efforts underway that that's been termed quote advanced recycling it was initially

947
01:24:52,140 --> 01:24:57,640
 chemical recycling but the whole idea there is to take low-value recyclable

948
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:02,960
 materials to put those through nada not an incineration process but a heating

949
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:07,260
 process where you change the the structure of those plastics and to turn

950
01:25:07,260 --> 01:25:12,540
 those into into new plastics so that that's something that our

951
01:25:12,540 --> 01:25:17,340
 understanding is that there are at least a couple of facilities that are in the

952
01:25:17,340 --> 01:25:21,660
 development and or construction phase right now so we may see some of those

953
01:25:21,660 --> 01:25:26,600
 coming online in the next few years and I like the strategy because it's a

954
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:32,920
 strategy it's fluid correct you know and just springboarding off what Scott just

955
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:37,640
 said you know therein lies the economic development piece of the environmental

956
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:41,720
 strategy or the solid waste strategy if we can regionalize and get enough of

957
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:45,960
 that type of plastic here then now we want now one of the firms that is doing

958
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:50,000
 this type of pyrolysis or chemical plastic conversion they want to be in

959
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:53,040
 Denton and they're gonna come here and they're gonna buy property and they're

960
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:57,160
 gonna pay tax and they're gonna create jobs and then we're gonna have firms

961
01:25:57,160 --> 01:26:01,840
 come in that want that plastic or that that intermediate to produce material so

962
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:06,900
 again it's a whole circular economy built around just thinking strategically

963
01:26:06,900 --> 01:26:12,040
 about what we do with our trash did somebody have another hand up no just

964
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:17,440
 okay go ahead well it seems like this discussion about film there's quite a

965
01:26:17,440 --> 01:26:21,440
 bit of it and I think in this era of having everything shipped to your home

966
01:26:21,440 --> 01:26:26,800
 everything is wrapped in some form of thin light plastic even if it's a bag

967
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:33,640
 inside of an envelope or the envelope is a bag of thin plastic film so it seems

968
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:38,040
 like we are creating more of this than ever and yet it I didn't realize it was

969
01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:44,200
 causing a problem at the at the other end so is there any effort afoot to for

970
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:48,000
 these companies like Amazon and others who are shipping virtually everything

971
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:52,680
 to us as consumers is there anything afoot for them to change how they're

972
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:57,480
 packaging those deliveries you know there are nationwide discussions going on

973
01:26:57,480 --> 01:27:02,920
 right now but the extent of those discussions I'm not sure where we are on

974
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:06,840
 that but again that that is a concern that's being communicated across the

975
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:13,840
 entire supply chain thank you all right do you have what you need from us I do

976
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:20,720
 thank you very much we appreciate your time very much good stuff all right the

977
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:24,640
 last item is receive a report hold a discussion and provide suggestions or

978
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:31,440
 recommending recommendations regarding the updates to the city criteria manuals

979
01:27:31,440 --> 01:27:49,040
 good morning madam chair members of the public utilities board my name is Ron

980
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:53,200
 Megida I am with the development services department I am a principal

981
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:59,400
 planner with the city bear with me as I pull up my presentation there are a

982
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:04,320
 number of folks that are included in this presentation that are helping with

983
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:11,960
 this effort so I will soon as I get this up do an introduction

984
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:24,960
 there we go again as introduced by the chair this is regarding the city's

985
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:32,640
 criteria manual updates that we are currently in efforts to update with us

986
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:37,560
 today our members of development services myself also capital projects

987
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:44,200
 engineering Becky Davini sideways Brian George and then water utilities will be

988
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:49,840
 presented by Steven Moore so just a quick update or agenda for today's quick

989
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:53,320
 presentation is really talk about the history and the introduction of what

990
01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:56,880
 we're doing and then we'll get into the different specific criteria manuals

991
01:28:56,880 --> 01:29:02,000
 again we have solid waste stormwater transportation water wastewater as well

992
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:05,800
 as I'm sorry and then we'll have questions and answers at the end of the

993
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:12,640
 presentations just a way of introduction we try to update our criteria manuals

994
01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:17,680
 annually we try to start those early in the year starting with the staff review

995
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:22,200
 we'll have some recommendations based on those reviews then we'll schedule a

996
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:27,080
 public meeting or work session that is with the planning zoning Commission it

997
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:30,960
 was recommended that we take it to the pub as well I think it's a great idea we

998
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:34,000
 don't normally do that I think that's something that we will start to

999
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:39,400
 incorporate as we continue these efforts we also try to publish these criteria

1000
01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:45,120
 manual drafts up on our website for the public to view and comment as well and

1001
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:48,640
 they have an opportunity to do that obviously on their time and then provide

1002
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:53,920
 comments directly on the website we also hold other meetings you know we had a

1003
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:58,480
 developer town hall not too long ago about two weeks ago this Friday we'll be

1004
01:29:58,480 --> 01:30:03,320
 meeting with some key stakeholder engineering groups to discuss these

1005
01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:07,000
 criteria manual updates so it's an opportunity to you know it's not just

1006
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:10,440
 our document it's everyone's document we want to make sure that those documents

1007
01:30:10,440 --> 01:30:17,080
 are updated and reflect what is going on in today's world effective the date of

1008
01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:22,040
 that criteria manual is we want to set it for January 1st so if an application

1009
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:26,120
 comes in prior to January 1st then they would obviously comply with the

1010
01:30:26,120 --> 01:30:30,160
 criteria manners at the time however if an application comes in after January

1011
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:33,160
 1st then obviously they would have to comply with the criteria manuals after

1012
01:30:33,160 --> 01:30:39,080
 that again the goal here is to create one document or one formatted document so

1013
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:42,360
 that someone that's looking at the criteria manuals they're not looking at

1014
01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:47,080
 multiple criteria manners they're all within one document hopefully they're

1015
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:51,320
 formatted correctly and they look the same and so it's searchable and there's

1016
01:30:51,320 --> 01:30:54,920
 no conflicts we want to make sure we eliminate any conflicts and we want to

1017
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:58,080
 make sure it's streamlined as much as possible so that is what our goal is for

1018
01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:03,920
 today and the illustration that you see here you see that we did updates of the

1019
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:10,640
 criteria manuals in the past once more recent 2018 which is really gosh that's

1020
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:15,000
 almost three almost four years ago so we really want to get back into updating

1021
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:19,800
 these and then the solid waste one the last other one was in April of 2009 so

1022
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:25,120
 it was a little bit further away I won't spend too much on this slide here but

1023
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:29,640
 just want to illustrate how the criteria manuals fit within all of our documents

1024
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:33,600
 that we do through the development review process we have the development

1025
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:40,120
 code document which holds our policies our procedures in how we know developers

1026
01:31:40,120 --> 01:31:44,000
 are supposed to go through the process our criteria mounts are more design

1027
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:49,240
 technical information they help implement or help enforce what the code

1028
01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:53,720
 development code states that we need and then we also have specification and

1029
01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:58,320
 standard details and I won't go into that Becky will talk more about that but

1030
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:03,080
 that's just another document that has this the materials the the construction

1031
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:06,880
 specs the cross-sections the things that you typically would like to see in our

1032
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:11,480
 development or need to have in our documents so just to kind of give you an

1033
01:32:11,480 --> 01:32:16,760
 idea of where the criteria manuals fit within the development review process so

1034
01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:21,200
 that we so that with this I'm gonna bring up Brian George and he's gonna

1035
01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:26,240
 present the solid waste criteria manual update just kind of highlight some of

1036
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:32,640
 the changes that we're proposing with the ground as planning come up

1037
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:42,280
 good morning madam chair board members like I said I'm Brian George field

1038
01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:47,000
 services supervisor for the solid waste department and I'm here today to speak

1039
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:52,840
 to you about the solid waste and recycling criteria manual updates

1040
01:32:52,840 --> 01:33:02,160
 specifically enclosure I'm sorry lost some train thought container closure

1041
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:09,200
 details and the input implementation of an alleyway criteria for solid waste due

1042
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:14,800
 to the ever-changing designs and improvements to solid waste collection

1043
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:21,800
 vehicles it is necessary that new container enclosures meet a specific

1044
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:31,120
 design design model therefore all single enclosures will need to be widened about

1045
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:40,040
 12 inches and dual enclosures by 24 inches in the picture we provided there

1046
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:48,560
 you'll see the hydraulic hoses on the outside of the arms in the past we've

1047
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:54,360
 had those installed inside the arms and being aware item when they go out the

1048
01:33:54,360 --> 01:33:57,840
 truck goes down because you have to take that arm apart so now we're putting them

1049
01:33:57,840 --> 01:34:01,720
 on the outside make it a little easier for the mechanics to work on them a

1050
01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:06,720
 little speedy operation at that point or even I could take it off take it to a

1051
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:11,560
 hose company fix it and then we're down 30 minutes instead of a half a day or

1052
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:18,120
 couple of days so with that in addition to improving the enclosures the

1053
01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:26,680
 implementation of a solid waste alleyway criteria is needed to enhance the

1054
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:35,000
 maneuverability accessibility and to ensure the proper turning radius for

1055
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:42,880
 solid waste vehicles in the alleyway also the alleyway must be designed and

1056
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:47,600
 built specifically to support solid waste vehicles performing a weekly

1057
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:53,800
 service and things get pretty heavy and with an alleyway design now it's not

1058
01:34:53,800 --> 01:35:02,360
 thick enough to support the weight so we're hoping we can update that so see

1059
01:35:02,360 --> 01:35:08,680
 that that is final note so that concludes my portion if there's any

1060
01:35:08,680 --> 01:35:18,400
 questions anything yes sir our developers actually including alleyways

1061
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:23,360
 and developments again our developers actually including alleyways in their

1062
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:28,580
 developments now I I mean I was raised with them I think it's a good idea but

1063
01:35:28,580 --> 01:35:32,660
 I don't see many new developments with alleyways anymore for collecting trash

1064
01:35:32,660 --> 01:35:38,480
 well there's a there's a demand now for alleyways but the new new developments

1065
01:35:38,480 --> 01:35:44,920
 coming in really yes sir and typically we the service that we provide the

1066
01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:50,160
 customer brings their cart to the curb right and the trucks go service them at

1067
01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:54,160
 the curb but the alleyways are wanting us to come in through the alleyway and

1068
01:35:54,160 --> 01:36:00,120
 with all those parts we it's hard to make them make the drive-through or make

1069
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:06,560
 the okay the turns so we're just asking to widen and and better support I was

1070
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:11,040
 just surprised I seem to be coming back that's good good to hear all right thank

1071
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:17,800
 you yes and so on the oh go ahead go ahead thank you probably gonna ask the

1072
01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:24,360
 same question go ahead I think the geometric changes you're talking about

1073
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:29,120
 makes sense you know being able to get the trucks I said the geometric changes

1074
01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:34,200
 you're talking about makes sense being able to get the trucks you know into

1075
01:36:34,200 --> 01:36:37,920
 the places where they need to be to pick up the the trash you know get get to the

1076
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:45,600
 refuse containers and this might be more a question for mr. Mangida is there a

1077
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:49,220
 redline version of this available because it's it's hard to tell what's

1078
01:36:49,220 --> 01:36:54,840
 changed versus you know what what already existed in in the criteria

1079
01:36:54,840 --> 01:36:59,680
 manuals currently we don't have a redline version we can certainly put

1080
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:03,560
 that together what we do have is the existing criteria manual that was

1081
01:37:03,560 --> 01:37:09,680
 approved back in 2009 and then we have the proposed version where much of that

1082
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:14,760
 information is just carried over to the new version but we don't have a redline

1083
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:20,940
 version version to present to you all today and and I have not looked at the

1084
01:37:20,940 --> 01:37:25,200
 solid waste and recycling criteria manual probably ever before this I

1085
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:32,320
 noticed there's only one mention of commercial carts and I think it's

1086
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:36,400
 sometimes it's called the valet service like the downtown service is that

1087
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:43,480
 handled in a different document or like for for the small commercial accounts

1088
01:37:43,480 --> 01:37:51,240
 downtown yeah those those are specifically on I'll see the downtown

1089
01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:56,120
 as a special area and so we try to consolidate our dumpsters and you know

1090
01:37:56,120 --> 01:37:59,840
 the one on Hickory Street for example there's there's one consolidate

1091
01:37:59,840 --> 01:38:06,280
 commercial you know trash enclosure and you've seen several of those dumpsters

1092
01:38:06,280 --> 01:38:12,000
 removed from the street and located there so I can't speak to you know where

1093
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:15,960
 where one can be done but I know that the solid waste department works very

1094
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:20,400
 closely in these special areas I don't think Fry Street would be another area

1095
01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:24,160
 that we see those dumpsters that have now been relocated and I think they're

1096
01:38:24,160 --> 01:38:29,200
 on a sycamore I think it is so just depending on the special areas I don't

1097
01:38:29,200 --> 01:38:34,160
 think we have you know an availability for a development to to propose something

1098
01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:37,400
 that but obviously it's it's part of the discussions when they're developing the

1099
01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:42,200
 site if they choose to do something we can certainly accommodate accordingly and

1100
01:38:42,200 --> 01:38:49,520
 is there a commercial cart option in certain areas of town like a smaller I

1101
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:54,880
 thought I swear I thought I've seen them in the downtown area like maybe I'm good

1102
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:59,640
 morning Adrian Hill solid waste operations manager I think what you're

1103
01:38:59,640 --> 01:39:03,120
 getting at is if a resident needs help getting their container back to the curb

1104
01:39:03,120 --> 01:39:10,240
 is that what you're asking no this for alternative like for downtown areas the

1105
01:39:10,240 --> 01:39:12,800
 very dense areas where there isn't room for a dumpster you don't want to take

1106
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:19,280
 out 20 feet of prime curb with the dumpster yeah there's many small

1107
01:39:19,280 --> 01:39:23,760
 businesses printed shops business that we do have residential carts for

1108
01:39:23,760 --> 01:39:27,400
 commercial carts they just pay a different rates couple bucks more but

1109
01:39:27,400 --> 01:39:31,440
 yeah there's several and we service those with the regular residential route

1110
01:39:31,440 --> 01:39:38,960
 truck a rear load truck we run one ways with the rear load that pick up from the

1111
01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:42,600
 rear so they're able to take that that truck in those small areas and and

1112
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:47,360
 collect rather than being an automated truck and those are not covered in this

1113
01:39:47,360 --> 01:39:51,720
 criteria manual there they're just kind of a case by case case by case yes okay

1114
01:39:51,720 --> 01:39:57,200
 thank you yeah and the site criteria manual also outlines if a building is

1115
01:39:57,200 --> 01:40:06,600
 this size it needs a size of dumpster thank you yes my question was about

1116
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:11,880
 this criteria manual overall so these eight pages is this all that's being

1117
01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:16,600
 changed or is this the entire manual was eight pages and now it's another eight

1118
01:40:16,600 --> 01:40:23,160
 pages there's these are the two major things that were changing there's some

1119
01:40:23,160 --> 01:40:27,920
 wording that's being changed it's not really changing like criteria this the

1120
01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:32,080
 wording is being updated but these two are the major things that we wanted to

1121
01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:36,920
 look at but this is the manual this eight pages is the whole manual this

1122
01:40:36,920 --> 01:40:47,160
 isn't a portion of a larger that's really my question yes sir that for

1123
01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:50,560
 solid waste it's just the eight pages there there are there was some

1124
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:55,120
 information that we're moving to the standard detail so that's that's where

1125
01:40:55,120 --> 01:40:58,720
 some of them went but for solid waste yes just the eight pages is what's

1126
01:40:58,720 --> 01:41:03,280
 proposed for the new update okay so this is the whole thing I thought this was

1127
01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:06,560
 like a small part of something much larger but the more you talked about it

1128
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:14,560
 I realized this might just be yet for solid waste crime okay thank you thank

1129
01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:20,080
 you thank you well madam chair so before before we go on to the next time just to

1130
01:41:20,080 --> 01:41:27,640
 clarify so there was a request I guess for a red line of the changes is that

1131
01:41:27,640 --> 01:41:33,560
 something that that still would like you would like to have or considering it's

1132
01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:37,200
 eight pages is that sufficient that you can just compare the two documents or

1133
01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:41,800
 so I make sure that we follow up on that request I think that was your request

1134
01:41:41,800 --> 01:41:46,200
 wasn't it yeah I was actually having trouble finding the old version on the

1135
01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:50,880
 website the website just recently changed so I don't know how to use it so

1136
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:56,120
 if it's if it's available I'd love a red line of all of them if that's if that

1137
01:41:56,120 --> 01:41:59,560
 can be done pretty quickly and I don't think I don't know if anybody else wants

1138
01:41:59,560 --> 01:42:08,960
 to see it and I did notice some of the other ones were redlined so I'm good

1139
01:42:08,960 --> 01:42:18,640
 without it anyone else awesome thank you for the question so I'm gonna touch on a

1140
01:42:18,640 --> 01:42:22,280
 couple of questions that have already been asked so specifically you're

1141
01:42:22,280 --> 01:42:28,360
 related to I'm sorry I can't see specifically related to the redlined

1142
01:42:28,360 --> 01:42:32,080
 versions I will make mention too that we're still receiving quite a few

1143
01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:37,640
 comments so our red line versions are changing if not daily but weekly so I

1144
01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:42,040
 would challenge you to evaluate some of the documents that you have in front of

1145
01:42:42,040 --> 01:42:45,880
 you if you need copies of the old document so that you can compare them

1146
01:42:45,880 --> 01:42:50,960
 screen by screen and happy to do so my red line version of the stormwater

1147
01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:57,440
 criteria manual in the transportation criteria manual is very red and so I will

1148
01:42:57,440 --> 01:43:01,400
 also mention that we've received quite a few comments from the Planning and

1149
01:43:01,400 --> 01:43:06,160
 Zoning Commission and then internally and I forgot to introduce myself but I

1150
01:43:06,160 --> 01:43:10,360
 just assumed it was I'm Becky Davini the City Engineering Director of Capital

1151
01:43:10,360 --> 01:43:15,120
 Project so it's thank you for having me today so just to touch on that I will

1152
01:43:15,120 --> 01:43:19,320
 also mention to you that we are working with the Solid Waste Department as

1153
01:43:19,320 --> 01:43:23,080
 alleys were a question that was asked and there are developments that are

1154
01:43:23,080 --> 01:43:26,760
 coming through with alleys the transportation criteria manual also has

1155
01:43:26,760 --> 01:43:30,980
 a section of alley so we want to make sure we're not duplicating efforts my

1156
01:43:30,980 --> 01:43:34,600
 least favorite thing is to show something in more than one place so that

1157
01:43:34,600 --> 01:43:37,880
 when we change it in one and we forget to change it in the other we have

1158
01:43:37,880 --> 01:43:43,800
 conflicting information so that's very important that we work through that so

1159
01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:47,480
 we are looking at with working with our friends in solid waste as to where that

1160
01:43:47,480 --> 01:43:51,520
 should land and then our team is also working to help solid waste with their

1161
01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:56,080
 standard details so I'm gonna go through the stormwater criteria manual and then

1162
01:43:56,080 --> 01:43:59,240
 also some of the updates in the transportation that I'm going to give

1163
01:43:59,240 --> 01:44:03,120
 you a couple of other things just for you to be thinking about so specifically

1164
01:44:03,120 --> 01:44:06,480
 on the stormwater criteria manual we are making quite a few updates to

1165
01:44:06,480 --> 01:44:11,260
 definitions that includes basically deleting some of the terms that are no

1166
01:44:11,260 --> 01:44:14,200
 longer necessary and then adding some terms that we feel like that are

1167
01:44:14,200 --> 01:44:20,720
 necessary throughout the document we have changed the hundred-year frequency

1168
01:44:20,720 --> 01:44:25,320
 to the one percent chance when you see that when you're talking about the

1169
01:44:25,320 --> 01:44:28,680
 different flooding chances so that's something that we want to change kind of

1170
01:44:28,680 --> 01:44:33,240
 that terminology one of the bigger changes is we've updated the driveway

1171
01:44:33,240 --> 01:44:36,160
 culvert inspection to be the responsibility of actually the public

1172
01:44:36,160 --> 01:44:40,520
 works staff versus the building inspection staff the public works

1173
01:44:40,520 --> 01:44:45,360
 inspection team is a part of my department and so we already are doing

1174
01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:49,160
 some of that work and our hopes are that we are inspecting everything that is from

1175
01:44:49,160 --> 01:44:53,160
 the right-of-way line within the two boundaries of the right-of-way line and

1176
01:44:53,160 --> 01:44:56,800
 then behind the right-of-way line of the building inspection team handles that

1177
01:44:56,800 --> 01:45:01,520
 most of the driveway culverts are within that right-of-way line so that's a

1178
01:45:01,520 --> 01:45:06,840
 change and then we are also updating the criteria manual to have all reinforced

1179
01:45:06,840 --> 01:45:11,280
 concrete pipe required for the culverts the driveway inspection culverts and

1180
01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:17,640
 then culverts in general so that's it that's a change so then the next thing

1181
01:45:17,640 --> 01:45:20,880
 on the transportation criteria manual I will tell you there are still quite a

1182
01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:25,640
 few comments that are coming in Ron had those hosted on the website I guess it's

1183
01:45:25,640 --> 01:45:30,520
 been about a week Ron week and a half and so we still are receiving quite a

1184
01:45:30,520 --> 01:45:34,400
 few comments so my goal is to take all of those comments collect them and see

1185
01:45:34,400 --> 01:45:40,040
 what updates need to be made to the documents it doesn't work in progress

1186
01:45:40,040 --> 01:45:44,160
 though and we are working to also present the same presentation at the

1187
01:45:44,160 --> 01:45:49,560
 City Council meeting on December 7th similar to the stormwater criteria

1188
01:45:49,560 --> 01:45:54,200
 manual we are updating definitions and deleting some of the terms that we no

1189
01:45:54,200 --> 01:45:58,600
 longer feel necessary and we're updating the geometric street standards to

1190
01:45:58,600 --> 01:46:02,680
 incorporate bicycle and pedestrian components as applicable I think you may

1191
01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:05,880
 all know this but part of our team's goal is to make sure that we're looking

1192
01:46:05,880 --> 01:46:11,280
 at all modes of transportation not just cars bicycles and pedestrian making sure

1193
01:46:11,280 --> 01:46:15,600
 that our street sections and the different geometric standards that are

1194
01:46:15,600 --> 01:46:20,640
 located within the documents show those different standards we also are update

1195
01:46:20,640 --> 01:46:26,400
 updating the turn lane standards some of the on-street parking some of the

1196
01:46:26,400 --> 01:46:30,640
 diagrams and amenities that include the movement of certain

1197
01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:34,140
 information that's actually being removed from the criteria manual and put

1198
01:46:34,140 --> 01:46:37,160
 in the code so I think Ron kind of went through the difference between the

1199
01:46:37,160 --> 01:46:42,000
 criteria in the manual and the code my goal for the criteria manual is if an

1200
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:45,840
 engineer wants to design or come into town and understands here's the criteria

1201
01:46:45,840 --> 01:46:50,520
 of the city of Denton the criteria says you know the dumpster enclosure shall

1202
01:46:50,520 --> 01:46:55,160
 be made of whatever material and be whatever size the code says you shall

1203
01:46:55,160 --> 01:46:59,680
 have a enclosure right so those are kind of the differences and it gives you a

1204
01:46:59,680 --> 01:47:04,520
 little bit more detailed information we're also working through updating the

1205
01:47:04,520 --> 01:47:08,840
 signs and markings diagrams within the document and there's going to be some

1206
01:47:08,840 --> 01:47:13,320
 other changes from the multimodal perspective you may not be aware of this

1207
01:47:13,320 --> 01:47:18,920
 but in July we actually hired a senior planner bicycle ADA pedestrian

1208
01:47:18,920 --> 01:47:25,440
 coordinator and that's a hard title to get on one business card but I will

1209
01:47:25,440 --> 01:47:30,160
 mention that he has had an opportunity to review the documents we were already

1210
01:47:30,160 --> 01:47:33,880
 quite a ways down the process of doing the review so we're working to

1211
01:47:33,880 --> 01:47:38,160
 incorporate his comments as we can as they make sense from the geometric

1212
01:47:38,160 --> 01:47:42,400
 standards standpoint knowing that this is something that we do annually we may

1213
01:47:42,400 --> 01:47:48,560
 not catch everything this year so and I'll give my my plug this is why it's

1214
01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:52,760
 important so I know Ron mentioned the difference between the code the criteria

1215
01:47:52,760 --> 01:47:57,520
 and the specifications and standard details and my friend Steven Moore will

1216
01:47:57,520 --> 01:48:02,880
 present next on water wastewater but the reason why this is so important and I

1217
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:07,760
 want to make sure you all understand is when a capital project or a development

1218
01:48:07,760 --> 01:48:11,480
 project comes through the city they need clear expectations of what the

1219
01:48:11,480 --> 01:48:15,680
 requirements are to build within the city so that criteria gives you those

1220
01:48:15,680 --> 01:48:19,600
 examples from the engineering perspective the code tells you thou

1221
01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:25,640
 shalt build X of course there's variance processes that you can go through we are

1222
01:48:25,640 --> 01:48:29,640
 also working on updating our specifications and standard details

1223
01:48:29,640 --> 01:48:34,720
 that we do annually and last year in January I'm sorry this year in January

1224
01:48:34,720 --> 01:48:39,680
 I don't know why I think it's last year in January we actually updated the

1225
01:48:39,680 --> 01:48:44,360
 specifications and standard details and those went into play in January for all

1226
01:48:44,360 --> 01:48:49,040
 of the capital projects that our team is delivering the important thing about us

1227
01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:53,040
 working through this process is now we will be using those specifications and

1228
01:48:53,040 --> 01:48:56,960
 standard details for the development projects let me tell you why this is

1229
01:48:56,960 --> 01:49:02,240
 important it's important for one of many reasons but number one is the public

1230
01:49:02,240 --> 01:49:05,880
 works inspectors who are out in the field actually inspecting the projects they

1231
01:49:05,880 --> 01:49:09,320
 need one source of truth they need to understand no matter if it's a

1232
01:49:09,320 --> 01:49:13,080
 development project or a capital project this is the way the city of Denton does

1233
01:49:13,080 --> 01:49:18,040
 business and so that's a very helpful measure a sanitary sir clean out is

1234
01:49:18,040 --> 01:49:22,400
 always going to be X feet behind the curb a sidewalk is always going to be

1235
01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:26,920
 built in this manner a transition of a ramp is always going to be built in this

1236
01:49:26,920 --> 01:49:32,560
 manner those are a few examples the other reason why it's so important which

1237
01:49:32,560 --> 01:49:37,040
 helps our team right so they don't have to remember each project has a different

1238
01:49:37,040 --> 01:49:41,120
 specification a different standard detail that it goes along with that

1239
01:49:41,120 --> 01:49:45,960
 particular project so that's very important and I really like that we're

1240
01:49:45,960 --> 01:49:50,280
 looking at using that single source of truth and it will definitely help our

1241
01:49:50,280 --> 01:49:53,640
 inspection department but the other reason why is because anyone who comes

1242
01:49:53,640 --> 01:49:58,240
 with to work within the city of Denton and build anything within the city of

1243
01:49:58,240 --> 01:50:01,960
 Denton is going to understand what the expectations are and the requirements so

1244
01:50:01,960 --> 01:50:07,840
 at 2 a.m. when we have a waterline break or at 4 a.m. when a live station stops

1245
01:50:07,840 --> 01:50:12,520
 working and we now have an overflow our crews and the men and women that are out

1246
01:50:12,520 --> 01:50:15,960
 there every day making sure that we're preparing and providing all the

1247
01:50:15,960 --> 01:50:22,440
 essential services including the electric department solid waste etc but

1248
01:50:22,440 --> 01:50:27,440
 they all know yes this is the manhole cover that we're going to use this is

1249
01:50:27,440 --> 01:50:31,920
 the replacement our warehouse can also stock those particular pieces of

1250
01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:35,360
 equipment so at the end of the day really the goal is to provide that

1251
01:50:35,360 --> 01:50:40,720
 consistency so hopefully that helps you all and gives you a little bit wider and

1252
01:50:40,720 --> 01:50:46,240
 broader perspective it's really a goal of mine and has been for a number of

1253
01:50:46,240 --> 01:50:51,400
 months and a little over a year to help make this effort come together and Ron's

1254
01:50:51,400 --> 01:50:55,400
 done a fantastic job of really leading the charge on this from a planning

1255
01:50:55,400 --> 01:50:59,160
 perspective but just wanted to try to kind of close that loop and let you

1256
01:50:59,160 --> 01:51:03,320
 understand why this is so important are there any questions for me before I turn

1257
01:51:03,320 --> 01:51:10,240
 it over to mr. Moore just go ahead I just have one comment regarding the

1258
01:51:10,240 --> 01:51:17,080
 bicycle amenities I noticed that if the in the initial section where you road

1259
01:51:17,080 --> 01:51:22,960
 types include minimum widths with the sidewalk and so forth bike lanes are

1260
01:51:22,960 --> 01:51:29,440
 included as referenced in the mobility plan which requires a new road you might

1261
01:51:29,440 --> 01:51:37,240
 have a development where we said it only all arterials and collectors form

1262
01:51:37,240 --> 01:51:40,920
 connections to other neighborhoods sure and they often are the only things that

1263
01:51:40,920 --> 01:51:45,320
 have bridges across across rivers underpasses and overcrowded passes across

1264
01:51:45,320 --> 01:51:51,440
 highways and so they are critical transportation infrastructure we know

1265
01:51:51,440 --> 01:51:55,560
 that every bike every arterial and collector needs some kind of bike lane

1266
01:51:55,560 --> 01:52:02,520
 of like amenity so I would and you the the criteria manual discusses that down

1267
01:52:02,520 --> 01:52:05,680
 in the bike section but we could also go ahead and put it I think in that

1268
01:52:05,680 --> 01:52:10,600
 dimensional section at the top just indicating that arterials and

1269
01:52:10,600 --> 01:52:16,520
 collectors need need these you know facilities no I appreciate that comment

1270
01:52:16,520 --> 01:52:19,720
 and if you look in those different geometric standards you're gonna see

1271
01:52:19,720 --> 01:52:24,520
 that it says this detail to be updated a lot of it is the nomenclature and I want

1272
01:52:24,520 --> 01:52:29,800
 to have a variety of different ways that the roadway cross-section can actually

1273
01:52:29,800 --> 01:52:34,280
 look so if it's a primary arterial here's the standard but if we need to

1274
01:52:34,280 --> 01:52:38,480
 make some modifications due to the right-of-way width or the the need or

1275
01:52:38,480 --> 01:52:42,940
 actually matching maybe what was built prior to that we're providing that

1276
01:52:42,940 --> 01:52:47,440
 seamless flow of traffic so I appreciate that comment and we're currently working

1277
01:52:47,440 --> 01:52:52,160
 through quite a few of those geometric standards right now also I would say

1278
01:52:52,160 --> 01:52:56,960
 that the geometric standards are kind of the guide you'll also then see standard

1279
01:52:56,960 --> 01:52:59,960
 details that are going to be in a different document that are really going

1280
01:52:59,960 --> 01:53:06,320
 to clarify a primary arterial looks like X here's a modified primary arterial it

1281
01:53:06,320 --> 01:53:10,520
 looks like Y those types of things so we're in the process of updating those

1282
01:53:10,520 --> 01:53:14,000
 but I do appreciate that comment

1283
01:53:16,880 --> 01:53:23,400
 anyone else no thank you all right thank you

1284
01:53:23,400 --> 01:53:33,440
 good morning I'm Stephen Moore senior engineer for the Department of Water

1285
01:53:33,440 --> 01:53:39,400
 utilities and I want to start off by by saying I pretty much would repeat

1286
01:53:39,400 --> 01:53:44,000
 everything that Becky just told you this is this is I don't want to repeat it but

1287
01:53:44,000 --> 01:53:47,000
 this has been a huge effort and we are working very closely with the city

1288
01:53:47,000 --> 01:53:51,760
 engineer with public inspection with planning with development services so

1289
01:53:51,760 --> 01:53:56,640
 we've had two really big challenges that we're trying to do with our manuals one

1290
01:53:56,640 --> 01:54:01,120
 is to update them with what's going on you know the old manual or the current

1291
01:54:01,120 --> 01:54:04,720
 manual says thou shalt do X well we really don't want you to do X anymore or

1292
01:54:04,720 --> 01:54:11,000
 doing X causes Y problem so we're trying to adjust to that and the second thing

1293
01:54:11,000 --> 01:54:16,040
 is to put it all the information in one place so a lot of our changes have been

1294
01:54:16,040 --> 01:54:20,840
 removing information because it's going into another document or adding a short

1295
01:54:20,840 --> 01:54:26,080
 blurb because it's not found anywhere else so I'm not going to really get into

1296
01:54:26,080 --> 01:54:29,400
 specifics because if you take the old version the new version laying one on

1297
01:54:29,400 --> 01:54:34,520
 top of the other there are it doesn't look the same in fact there's many

1298
01:54:34,520 --> 01:54:38,360
 sentences that were just rewritten to clarify them to make them easier to read

1299
01:54:38,360 --> 01:54:41,720
 or easier to understand so I'm going to kind of go under go through our

1300
01:54:41,720 --> 01:54:44,840
 different sections and what we're looking at different and what's become

1301
01:54:44,840 --> 01:54:50,200
 different we do have as Becky said there's a lot of comments coming up and

1302
01:54:50,200 --> 01:54:53,800
 there are issues where a developer absolutely wants us to do something and

1303
01:54:53,800 --> 01:54:58,520
 our field crews actually don't want us to do it so we're trying to work out the

1304
01:54:58,520 --> 01:55:04,400
 is it is it is it a true issue for somebody is it just they don't want to

1305
01:55:04,400 --> 01:55:08,080
 do it is it just our guys don't want to do it and how and and that's we're trying

1306
01:55:08,080 --> 01:55:13,560
 to fix all those conflicts and make it a much easier thing to work with so for

1307
01:55:13,560 --> 01:55:19,560
 the water we've added several sections addressing meters underground utility

1308
01:55:19,560 --> 01:55:23,240
 crossings fences and fence and wall crossings we really never addressed that

1309
01:55:23,240 --> 01:55:28,560
 in the past as well as pressure regulators we've revised the section on

1310
01:55:28,560 --> 01:55:32,360
 the water main replacement because there are some issues that were not addressed

1311
01:55:32,360 --> 01:55:37,400
 in the past we're addressing them now on every time it comes up so we're putting

1312
01:55:37,400 --> 01:55:42,520
 into the criteria manual to just spell it out in front in many cases just make

1313
01:55:42,520 --> 01:55:46,360
 sure that developer doesn't forget about this because they will have to address

1314
01:55:46,360 --> 01:55:52,640
 this as part of their project terms of wastewater we've revised the how you

1315
01:55:52,640 --> 01:55:56,920
 estimate the wastewater flows separation between water wastewater we're more

1316
01:55:56,920 --> 01:56:01,800
 closely matching what TCEQ tells us to do and actually clarifying because some

1317
01:56:01,800 --> 01:56:05,520
 of the previous language there was some wiggle room there that we really can't

1318
01:56:05,520 --> 01:56:11,160
 allow add in a little section of highway crossings a lot of other roads in the

1319
01:56:11,160 --> 01:56:15,480
 city of Denton don't belong to us so we've put a note in there that if you

1320
01:56:15,480 --> 01:56:20,560
 cross a text that road you got to get your permit from text on and we talked

1321
01:56:20,560 --> 01:56:24,280
 about abandonment of sewer mains again this is an issue that comes up we just

1322
01:56:24,280 --> 01:56:27,240
 never really address so we put some some language in there to make sure it is

1323
01:56:27,240 --> 01:56:33,040
 part of our planning of the developers planning process we've removed several

1324
01:56:33,040 --> 01:56:36,580
 sections preliminary design has been moved to another document rights away

1325
01:56:36,580 --> 01:56:42,040
 and easements are not part of criteria that's this part of the city's work how

1326
01:56:42,040 --> 01:56:45,480
 to deal with the Denda plan revision change orders we've fallen in line with

1327
01:56:45,480 --> 01:56:49,920
 the city's process we don't have our own spelled out here same with submittals

1328
01:56:49,920 --> 01:56:54,040
 there is a city process for doing that we don't we're taking it out of ours we

1329
01:56:54,040 --> 01:56:59,320
 don't want to conflict with what the city is doing so that's pretty much the

1330
01:56:59,320 --> 01:57:04,000
 end of again there's a ton of minor changes all we're doing is updating what

1331
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:08,120
 we're we've already started doing trying to spell it out make it clear for

1332
01:57:08,120 --> 01:57:12,600
 everyone else but do you have any any can answer any questions about water

1333
01:57:12,600 --> 01:57:18,800
 waste water just quick what where y'all going I've been watching the city

1334
01:57:18,800 --> 01:57:22,040
 criteria has changed for over 30 years so where are you going with the water

1335
01:57:22,040 --> 01:57:26,740
 and sewer now are you still staying under the edge of the street well there

1336
01:57:26,740 --> 01:57:33,480
 was years ago when we put them in the in the yards you know if I were to get my

1337
01:57:33,480 --> 01:57:36,640
 crews up here he'd tell you we keep it in the street they don't want it there

1338
01:57:36,640 --> 01:57:41,560
 anywhere anyway at all we're trying to we prefer it in the street we have the

1339
01:57:41,560 --> 01:57:46,120
 right of way it's easier for us to find we had the right away another sidewalk

1340
01:57:46,120 --> 01:57:51,720
 and we're trying to put it out because when you put it on the sidewalk it's

1341
01:57:51,720 --> 01:57:55,360
 harder and more expensive for us to fix because we're not sidewalk repair

1342
01:57:55,360 --> 01:58:03,700
 specialists I did I'm sorry did I answer the question you answer my question I

1343
01:58:03,700 --> 01:58:08,160
 just disagree with it with the answer I think the problem is you have to deal

1344
01:58:08,160 --> 01:58:10,720
 with more citizens when you go in the yards that's that's the biggest

1345
01:58:10,720 --> 01:58:15,000
 difficulty but to me to dig it up a street and digging up grass is digging

1346
01:58:15,000 --> 01:58:19,500
 up grass is a lot cheaper to replace water in Syria so my opinion humble

1347
01:58:19,500 --> 01:58:29,580
 opinion other questions thank you thank you thank you I appreciate the the time

1348
01:58:29,580 --> 01:58:35,940
 I just just want to end that we we have the draft materials that you have on our

1349
01:58:35,940 --> 01:58:41,240
 website and we will make sure that the old versions that are you know existing

1350
01:58:41,240 --> 01:58:45,080
 today are also on that new website I know we can't we just transition to a

1351
01:58:45,080 --> 01:58:50,080
 new website platform so maybe it was relocated or not included I'll make sure

1352
01:58:50,080 --> 01:58:54,580
 that it's included so anybody else that's watching or that wants to see the

1353
01:58:54,580 --> 01:58:58,920
 old version they can and then also compare it to the new version it's gonna

1354
01:58:58,920 --> 01:59:03,420
 be on the website until November 25th so kind of gives us some time between

1355
01:59:03,420 --> 01:59:06,640
 November 25th and the next meeting that we're scheduled to have this with City

1356
01:59:06,640 --> 01:59:10,300
 Council so gives us some time to kind of look through what comments we have and

1357
01:59:10,300 --> 01:59:14,720
 then present it to them at that time so again we're looking at a December 7th

1358
01:59:14,720 --> 01:59:18,200
 City Council meeting to bring this forward and then hopefully an effective

1359
01:59:18,200 --> 01:59:23,880
 date of January 1st and madam and madam Charo just so the DME is not left out I

1360
01:59:23,880 --> 01:59:28,760
 would just point out that there is no DME criteria manual but we are working on

1361
01:59:28,760 --> 01:59:32,080
 electrical service standards that will be coming to you along with a line

1362
01:59:32,080 --> 01:59:35,840
 extension policy as well that that'll be forthcoming here in the next couple

1363
01:59:35,840 --> 01:59:41,800
 you know couple couple weeks thank you all right then that concludes the agenda

1364
01:59:41,800 --> 01:59:45,800
 do we have a motion to adjourn