WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.000 It's Monday, July 30th, 2018, and the time is now 4.04. 00:00:05.000 --> 00:00:06.339 I'd like to call this meeting to order. 00:00:06.339 --> 00:00:08.839 And the first order of business is the pledge to the US 00:00:08.839 --> 00:00:09.759 and the Texas Light. 00:00:14.279 --> 00:00:17.480 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States 00:00:17.480 --> 00:00:21.320 of America and to the republic for which it stands, 00:00:21.320 --> 00:00:24.480 one nation under God, indivisible, 00:00:24.480 --> 00:00:28.640 with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:28.640 --> 00:00:30.559 I remember the Texas flag. 00:00:30.559 --> 00:00:34.240 I pledge allegiance to the Texas one state, 00:00:34.240 --> 00:00:36.719 under God, one indivisible. 00:00:41.679 --> 00:00:42.240 Thank you. 00:00:42.240 --> 00:00:45.600 The next item of business is considering 00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:49.780 the approval of the meeting minutes from-- oh, my goodness 00:00:49.780 --> 00:00:49.920 -- 00:00:49.920 --> 00:00:51.759 10 months ago. 00:00:51.759 --> 00:00:54.200 If anyone can remember, last year-- 00:00:54.200 --> 00:00:56.439 if anyone can remember that far back, I looked it over. 00:00:56.439 --> 00:00:59.399 I didn't see any major issues. 00:00:59.399 --> 00:01:01.880 It was good to kind of reread what we did. 00:01:01.880 --> 00:01:04.480 Does anyone have any comments about that? 00:01:04.480 --> 00:01:06.400 Is there a motion to approve? 00:01:06.400 --> 00:01:07.519 Move approval. 00:01:07.519 --> 00:01:08.480 I'll second. 00:01:08.480 --> 00:01:10.599 All right, we've got a first, a motion, and a second. 00:01:10.599 --> 00:01:15.000 Any discussion, corrections, clarifications? 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:18.200 All those in favor, raise your hand. 00:01:18.200 --> 00:01:19.840 Any opposed? 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:21.519 Any abstain? 00:01:21.519 --> 00:01:22.680 Motion passes. 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:24.959 Great. 00:01:24.959 --> 00:01:30.920 The next item is a public hearing, item ZBA 18-0002. 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:32.400 Hold a public hearing and consider 00:01:32.400 --> 00:01:34.599 approval of a variance from the Denton Development Code, 00:01:34.599 --> 00:01:38.920 section 35.5.3.3, general regulations relating 00:01:38.920 --> 00:01:42.760 to the minimum rear yard setback and minimum lot depth. 00:01:42.760 --> 00:01:45.599 This lot is generally located on the south side of Withers 00:01:45.599 --> 00:01:47.319 and Bell. 00:01:47.319 --> 00:01:50.400 And with that, I call the public hearing to order. 00:01:50.400 --> 00:01:53.200 Should we hear from staff first or swear people in, 00:01:53.200 --> 00:01:55.519 or how should we do this? 00:01:55.519 --> 00:01:56.760 Cindy looks like she's ready. 00:01:56.760 --> 00:01:57.260 I'm ready. 00:01:57.260 --> 00:01:58.680 So you just want to do your thing? 00:01:58.680 --> 00:02:00.159 All right, take it away. 00:02:00.159 --> 00:02:03.719 OK, thank you, Madam Chair, commissioners. 00:02:03.719 --> 00:02:10.120 ZBA 18-2 is a request to approve a variance from section 35 00:02:10.120 --> 00:02:11.840 .5.3.3 00:02:11.840 --> 00:02:14.919 of the general regulations for the DR2 district relating 00:02:14.919 --> 00:02:19.680 to minimum rear yard setback and minimum lot depth. 00:02:19.680 --> 00:02:22.520 The site is located at 821 Vine Street. 00:02:22.520 --> 00:02:25.360 You can see the site right here. 00:02:25.360 --> 00:02:29.400 It is plotted as lot 10, block 1, the CC Bells edition. 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:35.000 It was plotted in 1882 with an original lot depth of 105.5 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:35.840 feet. 00:02:35.840 --> 00:02:39.199 And it currently has a lot depth of 40 feet. 00:02:43.240 --> 00:02:44.759 As previously mentioned, the site 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:48.120 is zoned Downtown Residential 2, DR2. 00:02:48.120 --> 00:02:50.360 The applicant intends to redevelop the site 00:02:50.360 --> 00:02:54.120 with a two-story duplex, as shown on the concept plan. 00:02:54.120 --> 00:02:57.280 And it attaches exhibit 7 in your backup. 00:02:57.280 --> 00:03:00.120 And I'll be bringing it up shortly in my presentation. 00:03:03.159 --> 00:03:07.080 A replat of the southern 65.5 feet of lot 10 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:11.520 was approved in 1992 with this plat right here. 00:03:11.520 --> 00:03:15.479 And here you can see the configuration of the plat. 00:03:15.479 --> 00:03:19.800 And right here is the remainder, the approximately 40 feet 00:03:19.800 --> 00:03:22.000 of the subject site. 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:25.000 The 1992 plat created a non-conforming lot, 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:28.000 which did not comply with lot depth requirements 00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:30.319 at the time of replat approval. 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:33.520 At the time of replat approval, the site was zoned MF1. 00:03:33.520 --> 00:03:35.800 And the minimum lot depth was 100 feet. 00:03:39.159 --> 00:03:41.280 Here you can see the proposed plat. 00:03:41.280 --> 00:03:44.039 And I will go into a close-up. 00:03:44.039 --> 00:03:47.400 Much easier to see. 00:03:47.400 --> 00:03:52.599 OK, the replat of the site is necessary 00:03:52.599 --> 00:03:57.479 to make the remainder into a legal lot of record. 00:03:57.479 --> 00:03:59.240 In order to replat, the applicant 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:02.159 is being required to dedicate five feet of right 00:04:02.159 --> 00:04:03.840 away for Withers Street. 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:08.360 You can see this five feet of right away right here. 00:04:08.360 --> 00:04:11.159 This five feet of right away dedication 00:04:11.159 --> 00:04:21.720 brings the lot depth down to 34.95 feet and 36.6 feet. 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:28.959 This is on the west side and the east side, respectively. 00:04:28.959 --> 00:04:33.839 It should also be noted that a portion of Vine Street 00:04:33.839 --> 00:04:39.639 right here is included in this replat 00:04:39.639 --> 00:04:41.800 If this variance request is approved, 00:04:41.800 --> 00:04:45.110 the applicant intends to request an abandonment of Vine 00:04:45.110 --> 00:04:45.800 Street. 00:04:45.800 --> 00:04:49.920 While it was platted in 1882, it has never been developed. 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:53.399 And with the abandonment of Vine Street, 00:04:53.399 --> 00:04:56.279 that will bring the lot width to 170 feet. 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:04.600 Here you can see the concept plan. 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:07.879 The applicant is proposing two two-story units. 00:05:07.879 --> 00:05:11.040 You can see one here and one here. 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:14.199 The problem with having a substandard lot depth 00:05:14.199 --> 00:05:17.720 is that it's difficult to meet the rear setback 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:19.639 requirements of the lot. 00:05:19.639 --> 00:05:21.920 The applicant is proposing a rear setback 00:05:21.920 --> 00:05:26.000 of six feet, 4 and 1/2 inches on the west side 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:30.439 and seven feet, 3 and 1/2 inches on the east side. 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:41.560 Section 33(3)(6)(B) of the Denton Development Code 00:05:41.560 --> 00:05:45.399 actually specifies specific criteria for approval 00:05:45.399 --> 00:05:48.240 of a variance application. 00:05:48.240 --> 00:05:50.120 I will go through these one by one. 00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:53.920 And I also went through them in detail in your backup. 00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:56.279 The first one is special circumstances or conditions 00:05:56.279 --> 00:05:59.920 applied to the parcel with which this variance is sought. 00:05:59.920 --> 00:06:01.959 Which circumstances or conditions are such 00:06:01.959 --> 00:06:04.389 that the strict application of the provisions of this 00:06:04.389 --> 00:06:04.879 ordinance 00:06:04.879 --> 00:06:07.949 would deprive the applicant of reasonable use of such 00:06:07.949 --> 00:06:08.720 parcel? 00:06:08.720 --> 00:06:11.879 Well, specifically, the 1992 replat, 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:15.879 which took 65 and 1/2 feet of lot 10, 00:06:15.879 --> 00:06:19.759 is what created this situation. 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:23.600 It was not something that was created by the applicants, 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:27.120 anything the applicant did at the time. 00:06:27.120 --> 00:06:29.639 Without the approval of this variance for lot depth 00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:33.199 and rear setback, it will not be developable. 00:06:33.199 --> 00:06:35.600 The lot will not be developable in its current 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:36.680 configuration. 00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:42.120 Second, the granting of the variance 00:06:42.120 --> 00:06:44.720 will not be detrimental to the public welfare 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:47.600 or injurious to other property or improvements 00:06:47.600 --> 00:06:49.480 in the district or neighborhood. 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:51.439 Well, the site was previously developed 00:06:51.439 --> 00:06:54.199 with a single family home in 1960, 00:06:54.199 --> 00:06:59.160 which was recently removed last year. 00:06:59.160 --> 00:07:01.480 There was no detrimental effect on the surrounding 00:07:01.480 --> 00:07:02.560 properties 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:05.439 when the single family house was on the site. 00:07:05.439 --> 00:07:14.920 And staff does not anticipate any detrimental effects 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:16.959 when the site is redeveloped with a duplex. 00:07:20.920 --> 00:07:23.160 The granting of the variance is necessary for the 00:07:23.160 --> 00:07:23.560 reasonable 00:07:23.560 --> 00:07:27.759 use of the parcel, and that the variance is granted 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:31.240 is the minimum variance that will accomplish this purpose. 00:07:31.240 --> 00:07:35.680 The lot is approximately 150 feet wide and 35 feet deep. 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:38.240 Even with the abandonment of the right of way of Vine 00:07:38.240 --> 00:07:39.199 Street, 00:07:39.199 --> 00:07:41.240 which would add 20 feet to the width, 00:07:41.240 --> 00:07:44.879 that will not change the depth of the site. 00:07:44.879 --> 00:07:47.959 And they will still need a variance for the lot depth 00:07:47.959 --> 00:07:49.199 and rear setback. 00:07:52.079 --> 00:07:55.199 And last, the literal enforcement 00:07:55.199 --> 00:07:57.680 and strict application of the provisions of this ordinance 00:07:57.680 --> 00:08:00.120 will result in an unnecessary hardship 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:03.319 inconsistent with the general provisions and intent 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:04.800 of this ordinance. 00:08:04.800 --> 00:08:07.160 And in that granting such ordinance, 00:08:07.160 --> 00:08:09.079 the spirit of the ordinance will be preserved 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:11.360 and substantial justice done. 00:08:11.360 --> 00:08:14.519 Subject site is located in the DR2 district, which 00:08:14.519 --> 00:08:16.439 is primarily a residential district. 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:19.600 It's reflected by the development in the area. 00:08:19.600 --> 00:08:23.319 In 1992, the city approved a subdivision 00:08:23.319 --> 00:08:25.959 which resulted in this non-conforming lot. 00:08:25.959 --> 00:08:29.480 By granting this variance, the issues associated 00:08:29.480 --> 00:08:34.080 with this lot will be cured and will enable 00:08:34.080 --> 00:08:35.519 the redevelopment of the site. 00:08:38.559 --> 00:08:41.399 Staff sent public notices. 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:47.639 We sent 10 notices via certified mail and 15 courtesy 00:08:47.639 --> 00:08:49.600 notices via regular mail. 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:52.440 We received four responses, which I set out before you 00:08:52.440 --> 00:08:54.159 today. 00:08:54.159 --> 00:08:57.759 We received one response in opposition, 00:08:57.759 --> 00:09:02.320 which represents 6% of the land area within the 200 feet. 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:05.600 And we received three responses in favor. 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:06.960 You can see them on the map here. 00:09:06.960 --> 00:09:10.200 The green ones are the responses in favor, 00:09:10.200 --> 00:09:11.440 and the red ones are the-- 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:14.480 the one is the response that is in opposition. 00:09:14.480 --> 00:09:19.279 And the three responses in favor represent 16% 00:09:19.279 --> 00:09:21.799 of the land area within the 200-foot area. 00:09:25.000 --> 00:09:27.679 Based on the aforementioned findings of fact, 00:09:27.679 --> 00:09:30.960 staff recommends approval of the following variances, 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:34.000 specifically a reduction of the minimum lot depth from 80 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:34.279 feet 00:09:34.279 --> 00:09:37.039 to 34 feet 11 inches-- 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:41.120 11.4 inches and a reduction of the minimum rear setback 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:44.399 from 10 feet to 6 feet 4 inches. 00:09:44.399 --> 00:09:46.080 And that concludes my presentation. 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:51.600 Any questions for staff? 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:52.600 Aye. 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:53.799 All right, Mr. Sarra. 00:09:53.799 --> 00:09:55.639 I have a few questions. 00:09:55.639 --> 00:09:57.399 One, what is the-- 00:09:57.399 --> 00:10:01.279 I know that we're not the people doing this-- that part, 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:05.440 but what is the zoning currently for that lot? 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:07.559 Downtown residential 2, DR 2. 00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:10.279 So that would allow for the two-story. 00:10:10.279 --> 00:10:14.679 And the other question is, does this property owner 00:10:14.679 --> 00:10:18.960 actually own the right of way of that portion of vine 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:20.879 if it's not developed, or is that something 00:10:20.879 --> 00:10:22.720 that the city is giving to them? 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:24.279 The city owns it right now. 00:10:24.279 --> 00:10:27.340 If the vine is abandoned, half of it will go to this 00:10:27.340 --> 00:10:27.879 property, 00:10:27.879 --> 00:10:29.379 and half of it will go to the property 00:10:29.379 --> 00:10:31.279 owner on the other side. 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:32.240 How does that work? 00:10:32.240 --> 00:10:33.919 Do they pay fair value to the city, 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:37.519 or does the city just say, hey, have this? 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:40.240 Well, I'm not sure if they pay for it or not. 00:10:40.240 --> 00:10:43.200 Maybe, Jerry, could you perhaps address that? 00:10:47.919 --> 00:10:50.320 I got to admit, that's a new one on me also. 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:52.120 The city can't abandon it. 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:54.159 And the interest would revert back 00:10:54.159 --> 00:10:57.039 to the adjacent landowners. 00:10:57.039 --> 00:10:58.659 Whether there might be circumstances 00:10:58.659 --> 00:11:02.080 under which the city could request compensation for it, 00:11:02.080 --> 00:11:04.320 we haven't really looked into it. 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:04.960 Thank you. 00:11:08.240 --> 00:11:11.240 Other questions? 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:12.799 I have a few. 00:11:12.799 --> 00:11:14.360 OK, you know I do. 00:11:14.360 --> 00:11:16.240 OK, so thank you. 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:19.600 I just want to get a timeline of what happened. 00:11:19.600 --> 00:11:23.639 So this originally was platted back in the late 1800s. 00:11:23.639 --> 00:11:24.360 That's correct. 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:26.919 OK, and at some point-- 00:11:26.919 --> 00:11:28.080 who knows what happened? 00:11:28.080 --> 00:11:29.840 And then in 1960, a house was built. 00:11:29.840 --> 00:11:32.240 So that aerial view that we saw on this map, 00:11:32.240 --> 00:11:33.799 this is maybe a couple years old. 00:11:33.799 --> 00:11:34.299 It is. 00:11:34.299 --> 00:11:36.879 OK, so that's right. 00:11:36.879 --> 00:11:40.679 Then that was built in 1960. 00:11:40.679 --> 00:11:45.480 30-some years later, it was subdivided, that lot was, 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:49.440 which created this weird sliver of land that we have. 00:11:49.440 --> 00:11:53.000 The house was demolished in 2017 in the hopes 00:11:53.000 --> 00:11:55.759 of creating something more multi-family, 00:11:55.759 --> 00:11:58.200 which fit for that area. 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:00.000 The house was not in great shape either. 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:01.600 OK. 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:05.799 But in order to rebuild to make it residential or anything, 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:08.080 really, now we have to-- 00:12:08.080 --> 00:12:10.320 now the applicant is here today. 00:12:10.320 --> 00:12:13.159 How was that subdivision approved in 1992 00:12:13.159 --> 00:12:15.799 if it was going to create this weird situation today? 00:12:15.799 --> 00:12:18.240 Again, that is something that I looked at. 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:23.440 And apparently, they just looked to see that the-- 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:26.639 they didn't check the lot depth or width at all. 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:29.399 From what I can tell, I can't speak truly. 00:12:29.399 --> 00:12:30.799 Who was in charge, Cindy? 00:12:30.799 --> 00:12:32.000 I just want to understand. 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:32.840 I'm just totally getting-- 00:12:32.840 --> 00:12:33.340 Well-- 00:12:33.340 --> 00:12:34.399 So we don't know. 00:12:34.399 --> 00:12:35.919 So this was 27 years ago. 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:37.240 And it just was-- 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:40.039 I can surmise that they did not take a look 00:12:40.039 --> 00:12:42.480 and to see what the resulting lot depth was. 00:12:42.480 --> 00:12:45.200 I know that if this application came through for plotting 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:47.559 today, we would not move it forward. 00:12:47.559 --> 00:12:48.059 Right. 00:12:48.059 --> 00:12:49.000 OK. 00:12:49.000 --> 00:12:52.840 And the setbacks for the pre-existing house, 00:12:52.840 --> 00:12:54.840 is it known if those setbacks are generally 00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:58.080 about the same as what these new proposed setbacks would be 00:12:58.080 --> 00:12:58.279 ? 00:12:58.279 --> 00:13:01.799 You know, I didn't check that, to be honest with you. 00:13:01.799 --> 00:13:03.320 So I don't know. 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:05.840 I'm assuming if it was built in 1960, 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:07.960 it was built to the 1960 standards. 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:08.460 Right. 00:13:08.460 --> 00:13:10.840 But then it was subdivided 30 years later. 00:13:10.840 --> 00:13:12.919 And so as I'm looking at this, it 00:13:12.919 --> 00:13:15.279 looks like it's just kind of squeezed in there. 00:13:15.279 --> 00:13:16.960 So I'm assuming that the setbacks are 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:18.200 going to be relatively the same. 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:20.480 It was just kind of curious to know 00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:23.120 if we're building something new, are the setbacks 00:13:23.120 --> 00:13:24.440 going to be about the same? 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:26.159 Or do they vary significantly? 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:29.320 It looks like it might be just looking at the aerial. 00:13:29.320 --> 00:13:30.480 But I did not measure them. 00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:31.679 OK. 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:32.279 That's good. 00:13:32.279 --> 00:13:32.879 Thank you. 00:13:32.879 --> 00:13:33.919 Sure. 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:35.440 Mr. Saka. 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:38.519 I'm assuming that you would have to assume that these set 00:13:38.519 --> 00:13:38.879 backs 00:13:38.879 --> 00:13:45.120 are going to be consistent with what occurred back in 1992. 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:48.919 I would think so, that rear setback would have to be. 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:51.320 In fact, it might be even closer because 00:13:51.320 --> 00:13:54.559 of the five feet of right of way dedication 00:13:54.559 --> 00:13:56.480 that is being required. 00:13:56.480 --> 00:13:58.320 As well as there's possibly possible 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:00.570 that they could have got some variance at that point as 00:14:00.570 --> 00:14:00.919 well. 00:14:00.919 --> 00:14:01.960 I couldn't find one. 00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:03.320 OK. 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:04.639 Thank you. 00:14:04.639 --> 00:14:06.679 Mr. Serra, did you have a question? 00:14:06.679 --> 00:14:09.159 I remember those houses, and they were about 1,000 00:14:09.159 --> 00:14:09.919 square foot. 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:12.360 So they might have had a little bit more setback, 00:14:12.360 --> 00:14:17.399 because they were smaller than what's intended. 00:14:17.399 --> 00:14:18.759 Mr. Higgins. 00:14:18.759 --> 00:14:20.159 Just curious. 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:23.200 On the back of the lawn, there's a wooden fence. 00:14:23.200 --> 00:14:24.600 And then there's an apartment. 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:25.799 That's right. 00:14:25.799 --> 00:14:27.840 But that wooden fence looks to me 00:14:27.840 --> 00:14:30.279 like it can't be more than five feet from that building. 00:14:30.279 --> 00:14:32.080 Do you have any idea what that is? 00:14:32.080 --> 00:14:35.080 I mean, that doesn't look like there's more than five foot 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:36.600 setback there. 00:14:36.600 --> 00:14:38.240 Which building are we talking? 00:14:38.240 --> 00:14:41.320 Well, if you're on withers facing the lawn, 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:43.759 there's a wooden fence, and then there's apartments. 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:44.960 Right. 00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:47.240 And that fence is so close to those apartments, 00:14:47.240 --> 00:14:48.559 it's always more than five feet. 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:49.440 Yeah. 00:14:49.440 --> 00:14:52.759 I did not look to see the setbacks for the adjacent lot, 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:55.960 to be honest with you. 00:14:55.960 --> 00:14:59.799 Well, I realize that's not what's 00:14:59.799 --> 00:15:01.519 being under consideration. 00:15:01.519 --> 00:15:03.919 I was just wondering about safety. 00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:05.320 And you've got these two buildings 00:15:05.320 --> 00:15:08.519 that are really close to that fence. 00:15:08.519 --> 00:15:11.840 Well, I know that there are building code requirements 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:16.080 for firewalls if the walls are closer than 10 feet, five 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:16.440 feet, 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:19.960 closer than five feet. 00:15:19.960 --> 00:15:24.399 So that would address the safety issue. 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:28.039 Well, I'm just thinking that this request would not 00:15:28.039 --> 00:15:31.799 be inconsistent with what's going on right now. 00:15:31.799 --> 00:15:35.879 Well, and that's how they built that back in the '90s 00:15:35.879 --> 00:15:38.120 when after it was subdivided. 00:15:38.120 --> 00:15:40.120 It was subdivided for the purpose 00:15:40.120 --> 00:15:41.360 of building that multifamily. 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:47.080 Do you have a question? 00:15:47.080 --> 00:15:50.200 Yeah, well, I know it sounds funny. 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:55.240 I know where that street is, and it's kind of narrow. 00:15:55.240 --> 00:15:57.159 Where's everybody going to park? 00:15:57.159 --> 00:16:01.000 Well, if you look at the-- 00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:01.960 That street's narrow. 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:12.480 There is four parking spaces provided on the west side 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:15.960 of the proposed duplex. 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:17.919 See, here's where the Vine Street would be, 00:16:17.919 --> 00:16:21.360 and then this is where the parking would be. 00:16:27.679 --> 00:16:29.679 Any other questions for staff? 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:33.120 Is there any reason to believe that they would not 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:37.559 abandon the Vine Street piece of property? 00:16:37.559 --> 00:16:41.360 I can't second guess, but in similar situations, 00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:43.080 I haven't seen any problem with that. 00:16:47.039 --> 00:16:49.350 I have checked with one of the other attorneys in our 00:16:49.350 --> 00:16:49.799 office, 00:16:49.799 --> 00:16:53.120 and we could get compensation for the abandonment 00:16:53.120 --> 00:16:54.960 of Vine Street. 00:16:54.960 --> 00:16:57.679 So that's definitely a possibility, 00:16:57.679 --> 00:17:02.600 and that may enter into the decision somewhat as well. 00:17:02.600 --> 00:17:05.680 But I'm assuming that's usually pretty unusual. 00:17:05.680 --> 00:17:07.680 It's really abandoned because the city no longer 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:09.160 has a use for value of the property, 00:17:09.160 --> 00:17:11.759 and it's not intended development. 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:17.279 It's not developing because its intended use has changed. 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:21.680 Right now, it's just a green grassy area. 00:17:21.680 --> 00:17:24.269 In fact, it goes back on the tax rules at that point as 00:17:24.269 --> 00:17:25.920 well. 00:17:25.920 --> 00:17:26.599 That's true. 00:17:26.599 --> 00:17:27.240 That's true. 00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:29.880 And there's really-- there's no way it would be a dead end, 00:17:29.880 --> 00:17:33.319 because it dead ends into the multifamily. 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:40.920 I have another question. 00:17:40.920 --> 00:17:43.599 Now, are we deciding on the plat? 00:17:43.599 --> 00:17:48.359 So is there any more supervision after our decision to dead 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:48.480 end? 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:49.799 Oh, yes. 00:17:49.799 --> 00:17:51.759 What you're doing is you're giving approval 00:17:51.759 --> 00:17:55.319 for the lot dimensions and the setbacks. 00:17:55.319 --> 00:17:57.519 Once this is-- once you've approved the variance, 00:17:57.519 --> 00:18:00.660 if you approve the variance, then the plat has to be 00:18:00.660 --> 00:18:01.720 approved. 00:18:01.720 --> 00:18:03.720 Well, first, the right of way has to be abandoned. 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:06.400 Then the plat has to be approved in the site plan. 00:18:06.400 --> 00:18:09.920 And the building permit has to be approved for the duplex. 00:18:09.920 --> 00:18:11.400 Here's my concern. 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:13.039 I guess part of my question, too, 00:18:13.039 --> 00:18:15.839 is does this even come into our decision making? 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:19.119 If they're saying they're going to have four-- 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:23.279 well, quadplexes and four units. 00:18:23.279 --> 00:18:23.799 And they don't-- 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:24.960 They're only having two. 00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:26.960 Oh, they're only having two. 00:18:26.960 --> 00:18:29.440 Oh, so it's two story, but it's just two. 00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:29.960 That's right. 00:18:29.960 --> 00:18:34.640 But then I know that the way that things ran around here 00:18:34.640 --> 00:18:39.000 and to afford them, if those are, say, TW students, 00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:41.920 they're going to have to have two or three people. 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:42.920 I'm just wondering if-- 00:18:42.920 --> 00:18:45.759 Well, each one has-- 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:47.440 I believe each one has one bedroom. 00:18:47.440 --> 00:18:49.519 But the applicant can come up and address that. 00:18:49.519 --> 00:18:52.319 I'm just wondering about the car spaces 00:18:52.319 --> 00:18:54.200 if that was going to be sufficient 00:18:54.200 --> 00:18:56.160 and if that's even something we should consider. 00:18:56.160 --> 00:18:57.480 So I think what we're doing-- 00:18:57.480 --> 00:18:57.839 pardon me. 00:18:57.839 --> 00:18:58.359 Go ahead. 00:18:58.359 --> 00:18:58.839 Oh, no. 00:18:58.839 --> 00:19:02.000 I was just going to say if it's two or more bedrooms, 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:04.880 they're required one space for each bedroom. 00:19:04.880 --> 00:19:07.440 And so what I was going to say, too, is right now we're 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:12.799 looking at whether or not to approve this plat 00:19:12.799 --> 00:19:14.039 and reducing the setbacks. 00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:16.279 And then all that other stuff would come into play 00:19:16.279 --> 00:19:17.160 through the planning department. 00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:19.039 But they can't move forward with any of this 00:19:19.039 --> 00:19:21.079 until we've decided what to do with this. 00:19:21.079 --> 00:19:22.880 That was part of my question. 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:24.160 Thank you. 00:19:24.160 --> 00:19:25.039 Mr. Saka. 00:19:25.039 --> 00:19:27.240 And I don't know if I want to be a little more specific, 00:19:27.240 --> 00:19:29.640 but aren't we really only determining 00:19:29.640 --> 00:19:33.359 whether they meet the requirements for us 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:36.000 to grant a variance for the setback only? 00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:36.519 Right. 00:19:36.519 --> 00:19:37.920 So the plat itself could change? 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:38.440 Correct. 00:19:38.440 --> 00:19:40.240 The plat itself comes-- 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:42.920 goes before P&Z. 00:19:42.920 --> 00:19:44.519 Yeah, so that whole thing can change. 00:19:44.519 --> 00:19:46.480 It's just whether we feel like we're 00:19:46.480 --> 00:19:48.000 willing to grant a variance based 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:49.799 on those four or five conditions. 00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:50.599 Thank you very much. 00:19:50.599 --> 00:19:52.720 And as the rear setback also-- 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:53.720 Correct. 00:19:53.720 --> 00:19:56.559 As far as-- I don't know, Cindy, is there 00:19:56.559 --> 00:19:58.200 an issue on the side yard setback 00:19:58.200 --> 00:20:02.500 depending on whether or not there is an abandonment of fine 00:20:02.500 --> 00:20:02.839 ? 00:20:02.839 --> 00:20:04.279 I'm sorry, I missed your question. 00:20:04.279 --> 00:20:07.200 Is there an issue on the side setback there, 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:08.480 either way with the-- 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:09.839 No, there is not. 00:20:09.839 --> 00:20:10.799 There is not. 00:20:10.799 --> 00:20:13.799 What we're looking at is the lot depth, 00:20:13.799 --> 00:20:15.920 and we're looking at the rear setbacks, and that's all. 00:20:23.720 --> 00:20:26.240 [INAUDIBLE] 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:27.519 Sure. 00:20:27.519 --> 00:20:29.279 All of the other-- everything else 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:32.599 will go through the normal process. 00:20:32.599 --> 00:20:34.799 This is only for these two variances 00:20:34.799 --> 00:20:35.799 that they've requested. 00:20:35.799 --> 00:20:36.519 Sure. 00:20:36.519 --> 00:20:37.039 Thank you. 00:20:37.039 --> 00:20:40.680 Well, pursuant to what Mr. Sacco said, 00:20:40.680 --> 00:20:43.240 the setback gets approved. 00:20:43.240 --> 00:20:46.119 The next plan that comes up could be a sixplex. 00:20:46.119 --> 00:20:47.720 They can't fit a sixplex on that. 00:20:47.720 --> 00:20:49.039 And all of that-- 00:20:49.039 --> 00:20:50.880 that's outside our purview. 00:20:50.880 --> 00:20:53.359 So all of that will go through the planning department 00:20:53.359 --> 00:20:55.680 or planning and zoning if they want it. 00:20:55.680 --> 00:20:57.559 We just made clear that this could change. 00:20:57.559 --> 00:20:59.359 It could, but that's not something 00:20:59.359 --> 00:21:00.480 that we would look at. 00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:01.960 That would go through the proper-- 00:21:01.960 --> 00:21:03.799 either, again, through the planning department 00:21:03.799 --> 00:21:05.839 or planning and zoning to look at, well, OK, 00:21:05.839 --> 00:21:06.960 this is an interesting new proposal. 00:21:06.960 --> 00:21:07.960 Does this fit here? 00:21:07.960 --> 00:21:09.920 And then there would be another set of eyes on that. 00:21:09.920 --> 00:21:10.759 Does that make sense? 00:21:10.759 --> 00:21:13.920 What we're looking at is a site that met requirements 00:21:13.920 --> 00:21:18.599 when it was platted, and through no fault of their own, 00:21:18.599 --> 00:21:21.200 most of it was replatted into another lot, 00:21:21.200 --> 00:21:23.720 and we're left with this sliver of land 00:21:23.720 --> 00:21:25.680 that, unless the variances are approved, 00:21:25.680 --> 00:21:27.680 they can't do anything with it. 00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:30.319 And as I understand, I mean, there was a structure there 00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:31.839 until just like a year ago. 00:21:31.839 --> 00:21:32.339 Yes. 00:21:32.339 --> 00:21:34.319 Now we want to put another structure there. 00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:34.880 That's correct. 00:21:34.880 --> 00:21:36.279 So it seems to be a conforming use. 00:21:36.279 --> 00:21:39.880 And there are other multifamily units in the area. 00:21:39.880 --> 00:21:41.880 So I just want us to just stay focused on, 00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:43.960 let's not-- don't look at the beautiful design 00:21:43.960 --> 00:21:46.200 plan and the parking spaces. 00:21:46.200 --> 00:21:48.359 Let's just look at the lot and the setbacks. 00:21:48.359 --> 00:21:51.960 And I do want to note that a duplex is not multifamily. 00:21:51.960 --> 00:21:53.839 A duplex is considered single family. 00:21:53.839 --> 00:21:55.119 Thank you for that clarification. 00:21:55.119 --> 00:21:59.440 And that complies with DR2 district zoning, 00:21:59.440 --> 00:22:00.640 and staff approves it. 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:01.279 Exactly. 00:22:01.279 --> 00:22:01.779 OK. 00:22:01.779 --> 00:22:02.279 Thank you. 00:22:04.720 --> 00:22:06.480 Any other questions for staff at this time, 00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:09.920 or should we hear from the applicants? 00:22:09.920 --> 00:22:10.599 Thank you. 00:22:10.599 --> 00:22:11.839 Thank you. 00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:16.720 So this is a public hearing, and you are welcome to speak. 00:22:16.720 --> 00:22:19.960 Do they need to fill out cards, or how does-- no? 00:22:19.960 --> 00:22:20.680 OK. 00:22:20.680 --> 00:22:21.960 All right. 00:22:21.960 --> 00:22:25.680 So typically what we need to do at a ZBA meeting 00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:29.240 is we need to swear in anyone who would like to speak. 00:22:29.240 --> 00:22:31.200 So if anyone knows that they'd like to speak now, 00:22:31.200 --> 00:22:33.119 we can just kind of do it all at once. 00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:34.319 And if you change your mind later 00:22:34.319 --> 00:22:35.519 and decide you don't want to speak, 00:22:35.519 --> 00:22:37.079 or you didn't stand up and you want to speak, 00:22:37.079 --> 00:22:38.480 we can figure that out at the end. 00:22:38.480 --> 00:22:39.400 Yeah? 00:22:39.400 --> 00:22:42.299 So is there anyone who would like to speak about this issue 00:22:42.299 --> 00:22:42.519 ? 00:22:46.359 --> 00:22:46.859 No? 00:22:46.859 --> 00:22:48.559 Would you like to speak? 00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:49.059 Yeah? 00:22:49.059 --> 00:22:50.559 [INAUDIBLE] 00:22:50.559 --> 00:22:51.319 Oh, sorry. 00:22:51.319 --> 00:22:51.960 Just one moment. 00:22:51.960 --> 00:22:53.519 Is there anyone-- I just want to make sure, 00:22:53.519 --> 00:22:54.680 because we have to swear people in, 00:22:54.680 --> 00:22:56.119 so I just want to expedite this. 00:22:56.119 --> 00:22:58.640 Is there anyone else who would like to speak? 00:22:58.640 --> 00:22:58.960 OK. 00:22:58.960 --> 00:23:00.799 Then please go ahead and approach the podium. 00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:02.519 And then we'll swear you in, and you'll 00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:05.319 have some time to give us your pitch, yeah? 00:23:05.319 --> 00:23:08.480 So go ahead, if you'd like to approach the podium. 00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:11.460 Yeah? 00:23:11.460 --> 00:23:13.119 So if you could please raise your right hand 00:23:13.119 --> 00:23:14.920 and step towards the microphone, because it's 00:23:14.920 --> 00:23:15.960 all in the public record. 00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:17.519 Thank you. 00:23:17.519 --> 00:23:19.680 So could you please identify yourself, your name and 00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:20.759 address? 00:23:20.759 --> 00:23:22.920 My name is [INAUDIBLE] 00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:27.839 I live on 2221 Bowling Green in Texas. 00:23:27.839 --> 00:23:29.680 And under penalty of perjury, do you 00:23:29.680 --> 00:23:32.240 swear or affirm that any testimony or information 00:23:32.240 --> 00:23:34.839 you provide or any statement you make before this board 00:23:34.839 --> 00:23:37.890 is completely true and correct to the best of your 00:23:37.890 --> 00:23:38.279 knowledge 00:23:38.279 --> 00:23:39.039 and ability? 00:23:39.039 --> 00:23:39.720 I do. 00:23:39.720 --> 00:23:40.220 Thank you. 00:23:40.220 --> 00:23:41.880 OK, please proceed. 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:44.200 Well, I just wanted to thank you for being here. 00:23:44.200 --> 00:23:49.359 And I just plan to do this for the best of my abilities. 00:23:49.359 --> 00:23:53.480 And I plan to live there and to make a home 00:23:53.480 --> 00:23:55.279 and just run the other part. 00:23:55.279 --> 00:23:56.680 And that's all I want to do. 00:23:56.680 --> 00:23:57.480 That's great. 00:23:57.480 --> 00:23:59.359 And thank you. 00:23:59.359 --> 00:23:59.859 Thank you. 00:23:59.859 --> 00:24:01.799 Are there any questions for the applicant? 00:24:04.359 --> 00:24:05.480 Thank you very much. 00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:10.599 This is a public hearing, so if there's 00:24:10.599 --> 00:24:13.150 anyone else who would like to speak for or against this 00:24:13.150 --> 00:24:13.400 issue, 00:24:13.400 --> 00:24:16.359 you're welcome to. 00:24:16.359 --> 00:24:19.599 Going once, going twice? 00:24:19.599 --> 00:24:20.559 OK, thank you. 00:24:20.559 --> 00:24:21.880 Do I close the public hearing? 00:24:21.880 --> 00:24:23.000 Do we wait until-- 00:24:23.000 --> 00:24:23.519 You close it. 00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:24.319 I believe we close it. 00:24:24.319 --> 00:24:26.599 All right, the public hearing is now closed. 00:24:26.599 --> 00:24:29.359 And so now we have conversation, a motion. 00:24:29.359 --> 00:24:36.920 I would make a motion to approve the variance of the set 00:24:36.920 --> 00:24:37.839 back 00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:39.720 requirements as noted by staff. 00:24:39.720 --> 00:24:41.079 We've got a first for Mr. Sucker. 00:24:41.079 --> 00:24:45.519 There's a lot depth also. 00:24:45.519 --> 00:24:47.960 It's not just setback as the lot depth. 00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:52.160 As well as the lot depth variance. 00:24:52.160 --> 00:24:56.000 First for Mr. Sucker to approve as staff recommended. 00:24:56.000 --> 00:24:57.440 This is a request right here. 00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:03.039 I would make a motion to approve the reduction 00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:08.559 in the minimum lot depth from 80 feet to 34 feet, 11.4 00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:09.720 inches, 00:25:09.720 --> 00:25:12.640 and a reduction of the minimum rear setback from 10 feet 00:25:12.640 --> 00:25:16.160 to 6 foot 4 inches. 00:25:16.160 --> 00:25:16.880 Very clear. 00:25:16.880 --> 00:25:17.920 Thank you, Mr. Sucker. 00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:19.519 Is there a second? 00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:21.279 Mr. Cole seconds. 00:25:21.279 --> 00:25:26.319 Is there any discussion about this before we vote? 00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:26.799 No? 00:25:26.799 --> 00:25:28.319 Just for the public record, I would 00:25:28.319 --> 00:25:31.400 like to say that my kids have been very well behaved. 00:25:31.400 --> 00:25:33.960 Thank you, Max and Lulu. 00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:35.880 All right, so now we could-- 00:25:35.880 --> 00:25:36.680 I guess we can vote. 00:25:36.680 --> 00:25:38.920 So all those in favor, raise your hand. 00:25:40.039 --> 00:25:41.960 Any opposed? 00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:43.440 And any abstain? 00:25:43.440 --> 00:25:44.119 Great. 00:25:44.119 --> 00:25:45.000 The motion passes. 00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:46.279 Thank you and congratulations. 00:25:46.279 --> 00:25:47.799 Thank you for giving us. 00:25:47.799 --> 00:25:49.799 Thank you. 00:25:49.799 --> 00:25:52.440 The last item is any concluding items. 00:25:52.440 --> 00:25:54.200 I had just a couple of things, but I 00:25:54.200 --> 00:25:55.619 wanted to hear from you all first before we move you out of 00:25:55.619 --> 00:25:55.920 here. 00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:57.440 Does anyone have anything they want to bring up? 00:25:57.440 --> 00:25:58.240 I have one thing. 00:25:58.240 --> 00:26:00.319 Yes, please, Mr. Sarath. 00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:02.960 I did not reapply to the board for next year. 00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:05.839 Not because it takes too much out of my schedule. 00:26:05.839 --> 00:26:08.720 Obviously, it doesn't. 00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:13.119 I have observed many people waiting and being 00:26:13.119 --> 00:26:16.720 faithful for a long time as alternate delegates. 00:26:16.720 --> 00:26:19.880 And with all deference to anyone who might elsewise be 00:26:19.880 --> 00:26:24.640 on the board now, being kind of jumped over. 00:26:24.640 --> 00:26:29.759 And I just want to give opportunities to more people, 00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:32.519 particularly those who have been faithfully coming 00:26:32.519 --> 00:26:37.599 and trying to be educated in this to have an opportunity, 00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:40.319 whether-- I don't even know who got selected this year, 00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:44.359 but whether someone else did, or maybe next year, 00:26:44.359 --> 00:26:47.119 the council might consider them. 00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:48.640 So that's what I wanted to say. 00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:53.680 And thank you for the opportunities to serve. 00:26:53.680 --> 00:26:55.240 Thank you for your service. 00:26:55.240 --> 00:26:59.039 It was such a crunch on my schedule. 00:26:59.039 --> 00:27:00.559 Well, I found you've always asked 00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:04.880 very insightful and thoughtful and considerate questions. 00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:06.960 And I really appreciate your service. 00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:10.000 Thank you. 00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:12.440 I had just a couple of things I wanted to bring up, please, 00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:13.519 before we conclude. 00:27:13.519 --> 00:27:16.400 First, there was apparently an ethics training 00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:19.680 that PNZ members and ZBA members are supposed to partake in 00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:19.759 . 00:27:19.759 --> 00:27:20.960 Is this correct, staff? 00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:23.599 Yes, that was, I believe, on the 16th. 00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:26.480 So I'm a mom in the summer, so I missed that. 00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:28.599 And I don't know if anyone-- did anyone else make it? 00:27:28.599 --> 00:27:30.319 Or did you-- you made it? 00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:30.819 There's a-- 00:27:30.819 --> 00:27:31.319 Oh, man. 00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:32.400 I did the video. 00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:33.319 There's a video, too. 00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:33.920 Yes, I say-- 00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:35.759 You should have received a link to look at it. 00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:36.279 OK. 00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:37.799 Will you send me that link, please? 00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:38.279 OK. 00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:39.839 And if anyone else needs that, please do. 00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:41.359 I'm going to need that as well as out of town. 00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:41.859 OK. 00:27:41.859 --> 00:27:42.359 Thank you. 00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:43.000 I can completely-- 00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:45.039 It's two hours of riveting. 00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:45.539 Yes. 00:27:45.539 --> 00:27:47.680 It may not happen then until after the kids go back to 00:27:47.680 --> 00:27:48.039 school. 00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:49.519 But I will take care of it. 00:27:49.519 --> 00:27:50.279 Sorry. 00:27:50.279 --> 00:27:51.359 That was the first thing I wanted to mention. 00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:52.720 Just make sure you take care of that. 00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:53.799 I can't get the video. 00:27:53.799 --> 00:27:55.599 I can only get the audio. 00:27:55.599 --> 00:27:56.099 OK. 00:27:56.099 --> 00:27:59.319 In a sense, it's my fiction problem. 00:27:59.319 --> 00:28:01.799 If you have any further issues, please reach out, 00:28:01.799 --> 00:28:04.759 and we'll make sure we address it. 00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:08.680 And then the second thing, kind of a bit of a segue 00:28:08.680 --> 00:28:11.160 of what Marshall was saying is we 00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:13.359 do meet pretty infrequently. 00:28:13.359 --> 00:28:15.960 The last meeting was September of 2017, 00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:17.720 maybe when that house was still standing. 00:28:17.720 --> 00:28:18.400 Who knows? 00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:19.680 It was a while ago. 00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:21.680 And so I just would-- 00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:23.559 I know that we are all very busy people, 00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:29.079 but I just would like to maybe mention perhaps we could 00:28:29.079 --> 00:28:29.299 help 00:28:29.299 --> 00:28:33.039 with some of the rewrites of the debt and development code, 00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:36.039 or as we're looking at some of the rezoning in the city. 00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:38.559 I feel like because we meet so infrequently, sometimes 00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:38.839 maybe 00:28:38.839 --> 00:28:40.960 we're not up to speed on what it is exactly 00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:43.680 that we should be studying or looking at. 00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:45.059 Staff has asked before, do we want 00:28:45.059 --> 00:28:46.400 to maybe schedule a training? 00:28:46.400 --> 00:28:47.519 Well, we could, but then we're not 00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:48.440 going to use it for eight months, 00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:49.720 so we're going to forget about it. 00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:50.720 And do we want to have a training 00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:51.559 before every single meeting? 00:28:51.559 --> 00:28:54.059 I'm not sure that's really the best use of our time either. 00:28:54.059 --> 00:28:56.160 And so I'm just going to bring it up. 00:28:56.160 --> 00:28:59.359 I know that we're all very busy, but we have made a 00:28:59.359 --> 00:28:59.799 commitment 00:28:59.799 --> 00:29:02.019 to the city that perhaps that might be something 00:29:02.019 --> 00:29:04.359 we could help with so that we could meet a little more 00:29:04.359 --> 00:29:06.759 frequently and just stay a little more 00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:10.559 on top of the goings on of the city. 00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:12.559 And I don't know, how do people feel about maybe 00:29:12.559 --> 00:29:15.440 having a training before our next meeting? 00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:17.519 Is there maybe a video link that we could just 00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:18.640 review on our own? 00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:21.519 Or what do you all think? 00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:23.400 Would that be helpful or not necessary? 00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:27.359 Yeah? 00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:29.200 I think that's a decent idea. 00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:31.599 I also think with coffee and cookies, 00:29:31.599 --> 00:29:35.240 because we don't really know each other. 00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:37.160 So the party's at your place? 00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:40.359 Is that what you're saying? 00:29:40.359 --> 00:29:41.279 That'd be wonderful. 00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:43.440 The more we get to know each other, the better. 00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:45.440 If you have a quorum, you have to post it. 00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:45.940 Yes. 00:29:45.940 --> 00:29:46.440 Right. 00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:47.920 No, I mean, maybe not-- 00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:48.640 Accept the puppet? 00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:49.140 Yeah. 00:29:49.140 --> 00:29:49.640 Yeah. 00:29:49.640 --> 00:29:50.920 Can we accept coffees? 00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:54.559 [INAUDIBLE] 00:29:54.559 --> 00:29:55.839 Sure, absolutely. 00:29:55.839 --> 00:29:56.880 Yeah, go ahead. 00:29:56.880 --> 00:29:58.680 Madam Chair, I'd like to offer the fact 00:29:58.680 --> 00:30:00.160 that we certainly could come back. 00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:02.440 If you want to pick a date, whether it's two months 00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:07.640 from now or 30 days, and we could have a work session, 00:30:07.640 --> 00:30:09.359 we could just go ahead and post a meeting, 00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:12.319 have a work session, talk about where we're at, 00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:15.440 where we're going, and gather some feedback. 00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:17.240 We've got a lot of things going on. 00:30:17.240 --> 00:30:18.640 So we could create an agenda that 00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:20.799 would talk about several items. 00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:23.039 We could even change the time if it's easier to move this 00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:23.200 up 00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:28.039 a little bit and have maybe a 3 o'clock work session, 00:30:28.039 --> 00:30:32.240 spend 30, 40 minutes on maybe downtown standards, 00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:34.839 where we're going with the development code, 00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:37.759 maybe just a general update. 00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:39.680 And I guess while I have the stage, 00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:42.059 I might say another piece to that 00:30:42.059 --> 00:30:45.799 is maybe there's some value in having quarterly meetings, 00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:49.039 knowing that this board meets tirelessly. 00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:51.160 Just if I can offer a little bit more up, 00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:53.000 that maybe we could do some updates, 00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:55.519 and/or we should do some training. 00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:57.480 And again, I know the importance of serving, 00:30:57.480 --> 00:31:01.119 and I thank you all very much for your service. 00:31:01.119 --> 00:31:03.119 It makes it very challenging when it is that you 00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:04.319 don't meet very frequently. 00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:07.039 So if I can help-- 00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:11.079 Athenia loves ordering cookies and drinks. 00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:14.079 So she'll be happy to do that, certainly, for the next 00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:14.480 meeting. 00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:15.880 And we can kind of go from there. 00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:17.319 I like this idea, because I mean, 00:31:17.319 --> 00:31:19.960 perhaps as we're getting an update, 00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:22.160 we may be able to recognize as a board 00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:24.500 that that might play on our strengths, something 00:31:24.500 --> 00:31:26.160 that we'd like to learn more about, 00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:28.240 that we could assist the city with. 00:31:28.240 --> 00:31:30.880 I also, again, know that people are very time strapped. 00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:32.920 And maybe one of the reasons you chose this board 00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:35.960 is because we don't meet very often. 00:31:35.960 --> 00:31:39.690 But I think that it would be helpful to me as a board 00:31:39.690 --> 00:31:40.079 member 00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:41.799 just to meet a little more frequently. 00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:45.759 And I spent three years on P&Z, so I kind of 00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:47.440 know my way around this stuff. 00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:51.519 And I still feel a little out of touch with some of this. 00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:53.160 And I'm here to tell you probably 00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:54.599 are a little touch on. 00:31:54.599 --> 00:31:55.720 Yeah. 00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:56.839 But it would be good. 00:31:56.839 --> 00:31:57.400 It would be good. 00:31:57.400 --> 00:31:58.640 And things have changed quite a bit, too, 00:31:58.640 --> 00:31:59.920 since I was on P&Z. 00:31:59.920 --> 00:32:03.160 Ron's got a great presentation on the proposed zoning map. 00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:04.880 So there are a lot of topics that we 00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:08.079 can talk about, which kind of helps even with the case 00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:08.400 today 00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:10.680 and kind of bring it into light as to where we're going 00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:12.400 and what the thought process is. 00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:16.000 And again, most importantly, garner that feedback. 00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:18.799 This is the most powerful board in the city. 00:32:18.799 --> 00:32:22.000 So only appeals to the court. 00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:24.000 So it's important. 00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:26.119 And I think we had a conversation about this, too. 00:32:26.119 --> 00:32:28.559 I think to the city's credit, the reason 00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:31.440 we meet so infrequently is because we have things 00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:34.579 in place to move things along so they don't have to come 00:32:34.579 --> 00:32:35.279 see us. 00:32:35.279 --> 00:32:37.359 So it's good that we meet so infrequently. 00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:39.240 But it's also-- I feel a little out of touch. 00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:41.119 So did you have something you wanted to say? 00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:43.480 I saw you raise your hand. 00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:46.480 So maybe let's continue this-- 00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:48.119 I guess if no one has anything to say, 00:32:48.119 --> 00:32:50.440 maybe we could just continue this conversation over email 00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:53.440 or something and just maybe pick a date a month or two out. 00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:53.940 Sure. 00:32:53.940 --> 00:32:54.440 Sign on that. 00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:54.940 Sure. 00:32:54.940 --> 00:32:55.940 We can float some dates. 00:32:55.940 --> 00:32:57.799 We can do it as zoom ring or something. 00:32:57.799 --> 00:32:59.960 Is that OK with you all? 00:32:59.960 --> 00:33:00.460 Sure. 00:33:00.460 --> 00:33:00.960 Great. 00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:02.799 We've got-- sorry, just real quick. 00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:05.000 We've got an approved calendar. 00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:06.319 So we just have to pick a month. 00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:09.160 And whatever is the last Monday of every month 00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:10.920 is when we have the ZBA meeting. 00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:13.680 So I know maybe you already programmed that 00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:14.920 into your schedule. 00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:18.400 If we just pick a month away or maybe two months away, 00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:21.160 we can certainly make that happen. 00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:22.039 Sure. 00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:23.839 And that would be easiest. 00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:26.559 Certainly, we can call a special meeting if we need to. 00:33:26.559 --> 00:33:30.079 But again, this board convenes on a regular basis 00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:31.799 monthly as needed. 00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:32.299 Right. 00:33:32.299 --> 00:33:33.640 Of course, it hasn't been needed. 00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:34.880 Or every 10 months. 00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:35.920 We want you to feel-- 00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:38.440 we want you to feel needed. 00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:39.640 OK, good. 00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:41.559 Anything else? 00:33:41.559 --> 00:33:43.039 Thank you. 00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:45.000 OK, I guess with that, I will close the meeting. 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:47.359 The time now is 4.37. 00:33:47.359 --> 00:33:48.799 And the meeting is adjourned. 00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:49.799 Thanks, y'all. 00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:53.160 [SIDE CONVERSATION]