1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,000 It's Monday, July 30th, 2018, and the time is now 4.04. 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:06,339 I'd like to call this meeting to order. 3 00:00:06,339 --> 00:00:08,839 And the first order of business is the pledge to the US 4 00:00:08,839 --> 00:00:09,759 and the Texas Light. 5 00:00:14,279 --> 00:00:17,480 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States 6 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,320 of America and to the republic for which it stands, 7 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,480 one nation under God, indivisible, 8 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:28,640 with liberty and justice for all. 9 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:30,559 I remember the Texas flag. 10 00:00:30,559 --> 00:00:34,240 I pledge allegiance to the Texas one state, 11 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:36,719 under God, one indivisible. 12 00:00:41,679 --> 00:00:42,240 Thank you. 13 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,600 The next item of business is considering 14 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:49,780 the approval of the meeting minutes from-- oh, my goodness 15 00:00:49,780 --> 00:00:49,920 -- 16 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:51,759 10 months ago. 17 00:00:51,759 --> 00:00:54,200 If anyone can remember, last year-- 18 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,439 if anyone can remember that far back, I looked it over. 19 00:00:56,439 --> 00:00:59,399 I didn't see any major issues. 20 00:00:59,399 --> 00:01:01,880 It was good to kind of reread what we did. 21 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,480 Does anyone have any comments about that? 22 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,400 Is there a motion to approve? 23 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:07,519 Move approval. 24 00:01:07,519 --> 00:01:08,480 I'll second. 25 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:10,599 All right, we've got a first, a motion, and a second. 26 00:01:10,599 --> 00:01:15,000 Any discussion, corrections, clarifications? 27 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,200 All those in favor, raise your hand. 28 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:19,840 Any opposed? 29 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:21,519 Any abstain? 30 00:01:21,519 --> 00:01:22,680 Motion passes. 31 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:24,959 Great. 32 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:30,920 The next item is a public hearing, item ZBA 18-0002. 33 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:32,400 Hold a public hearing and consider 34 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,599 approval of a variance from the Denton Development Code, 35 00:01:34,599 --> 00:01:38,920 section 35.5.3.3, general regulations relating 36 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,760 to the minimum rear yard setback and minimum lot depth. 37 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,599 This lot is generally located on the south side of Withers 38 00:01:45,599 --> 00:01:47,319 and Bell. 39 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,400 And with that, I call the public hearing to order. 40 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,200 Should we hear from staff first or swear people in, 41 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,519 or how should we do this? 42 00:01:55,519 --> 00:01:56,760 Cindy looks like she's ready. 43 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:57,260 I'm ready. 44 00:01:57,260 --> 00:01:58,680 So you just want to do your thing? 45 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:00,159 All right, take it away. 46 00:02:00,159 --> 00:02:03,719 OK, thank you, Madam Chair, commissioners. 47 00:02:03,719 --> 00:02:10,120 ZBA 18-2 is a request to approve a variance from section 35 48 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:11,840 .5.3.3 49 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,919 of the general regulations for the DR2 district relating 50 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:19,680 to minimum rear yard setback and minimum lot depth. 51 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,520 The site is located at 821 Vine Street. 52 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,360 You can see the site right here. 53 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,400 It is plotted as lot 10, block 1, the CC Bells edition. 54 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:35,000 It was plotted in 1882 with an original lot depth of 105.5 55 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:35,840 feet. 56 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,199 And it currently has a lot depth of 40 feet. 57 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:44,759 As previously mentioned, the site 58 00:02:44,759 --> 00:02:48,120 is zoned Downtown Residential 2, DR2. 59 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,360 The applicant intends to redevelop the site 60 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:54,120 with a two-story duplex, as shown on the concept plan. 61 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,280 And it attaches exhibit 7 in your backup. 62 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,120 And I'll be bringing it up shortly in my presentation. 63 00:03:03,159 --> 00:03:07,080 A replat of the southern 65.5 feet of lot 10 64 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:11,520 was approved in 1992 with this plat right here. 65 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:15,479 And here you can see the configuration of the plat. 66 00:03:15,479 --> 00:03:19,800 And right here is the remainder, the approximately 40 feet 67 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,000 of the subject site. 68 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,000 The 1992 plat created a non-conforming lot, 69 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,000 which did not comply with lot depth requirements 70 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,319 at the time of replat approval. 71 00:03:30,319 --> 00:03:33,520 At the time of replat approval, the site was zoned MF1. 72 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,800 And the minimum lot depth was 100 feet. 73 00:03:39,159 --> 00:03:41,280 Here you can see the proposed plat. 74 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,039 And I will go into a close-up. 75 00:03:44,039 --> 00:03:47,400 Much easier to see. 76 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:52,599 OK, the replat of the site is necessary 77 00:03:52,599 --> 00:03:57,479 to make the remainder into a legal lot of record. 78 00:03:57,479 --> 00:03:59,240 In order to replat, the applicant 79 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,159 is being required to dedicate five feet of right 80 00:04:02,159 --> 00:04:03,840 away for Withers Street. 81 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:08,360 You can see this five feet of right away right here. 82 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,159 This five feet of right away dedication 83 00:04:11,159 --> 00:04:21,720 brings the lot depth down to 34.95 feet and 36.6 feet. 84 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:28,959 This is on the west side and the east side, respectively. 85 00:04:28,959 --> 00:04:33,839 It should also be noted that a portion of Vine Street 86 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:39,639 right here is included in this replat 87 00:04:39,639 --> 00:04:41,800 If this variance request is approved, 88 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,110 the applicant intends to request an abandonment of Vine 89 00:04:45,110 --> 00:04:45,800 Street. 90 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,920 While it was platted in 1882, it has never been developed. 91 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,399 And with the abandonment of Vine Street, 92 00:04:53,399 --> 00:04:56,279 that will bring the lot width to 170 feet. 93 00:05:00,759 --> 00:05:04,600 Here you can see the concept plan. 94 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,879 The applicant is proposing two two-story units. 95 00:05:07,879 --> 00:05:11,040 You can see one here and one here. 96 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,199 The problem with having a substandard lot depth 97 00:05:14,199 --> 00:05:17,720 is that it's difficult to meet the rear setback 98 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,639 requirements of the lot. 99 00:05:19,639 --> 00:05:21,920 The applicant is proposing a rear setback 100 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:26,000 of six feet, 4 and 1/2 inches on the west side 101 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:30,439 and seven feet, 3 and 1/2 inches on the east side. 102 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:41,560 Section 33(3)(6)(B) of the Denton Development Code 103 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,399 actually specifies specific criteria for approval 104 00:05:45,399 --> 00:05:48,240 of a variance application. 105 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,120 I will go through these one by one. 106 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,920 And I also went through them in detail in your backup. 107 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,279 The first one is special circumstances or conditions 108 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,920 applied to the parcel with which this variance is sought. 109 00:05:59,920 --> 00:06:01,959 Which circumstances or conditions are such 110 00:06:01,959 --> 00:06:04,389 that the strict application of the provisions of this 111 00:06:04,389 --> 00:06:04,879 ordinance 112 00:06:04,879 --> 00:06:07,949 would deprive the applicant of reasonable use of such 113 00:06:07,949 --> 00:06:08,720 parcel? 114 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,879 Well, specifically, the 1992 replat, 115 00:06:11,879 --> 00:06:15,879 which took 65 and 1/2 feet of lot 10, 116 00:06:15,879 --> 00:06:19,759 is what created this situation. 117 00:06:19,759 --> 00:06:23,600 It was not something that was created by the applicants, 118 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,120 anything the applicant did at the time. 119 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,639 Without the approval of this variance for lot depth 120 00:06:29,639 --> 00:06:33,199 and rear setback, it will not be developable. 121 00:06:33,199 --> 00:06:35,600 The lot will not be developable in its current 122 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:36,680 configuration. 123 00:06:40,319 --> 00:06:42,120 Second, the granting of the variance 124 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,720 will not be detrimental to the public welfare 125 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,600 or injurious to other property or improvements 126 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,480 in the district or neighborhood. 127 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,439 Well, the site was previously developed 128 00:06:51,439 --> 00:06:54,199 with a single family home in 1960, 129 00:06:54,199 --> 00:06:59,160 which was recently removed last year. 130 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,480 There was no detrimental effect on the surrounding 131 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:02,560 properties 132 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,439 when the single family house was on the site. 133 00:07:05,439 --> 00:07:14,920 And staff does not anticipate any detrimental effects 134 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:16,959 when the site is redeveloped with a duplex. 135 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,160 The granting of the variance is necessary for the 136 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:23,560 reasonable 137 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:27,759 use of the parcel, and that the variance is granted 138 00:07:27,759 --> 00:07:31,240 is the minimum variance that will accomplish this purpose. 139 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:35,680 The lot is approximately 150 feet wide and 35 feet deep. 140 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,240 Even with the abandonment of the right of way of Vine 141 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:39,199 Street, 142 00:07:39,199 --> 00:07:41,240 which would add 20 feet to the width, 143 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,879 that will not change the depth of the site. 144 00:07:44,879 --> 00:07:47,959 And they will still need a variance for the lot depth 145 00:07:47,959 --> 00:07:49,199 and rear setback. 146 00:07:52,079 --> 00:07:55,199 And last, the literal enforcement 147 00:07:55,199 --> 00:07:57,680 and strict application of the provisions of this ordinance 148 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,120 will result in an unnecessary hardship 149 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,319 inconsistent with the general provisions and intent 150 00:08:03,319 --> 00:08:04,800 of this ordinance. 151 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,160 And in that granting such ordinance, 152 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,079 the spirit of the ordinance will be preserved 153 00:08:09,079 --> 00:08:11,360 and substantial justice done. 154 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,519 Subject site is located in the DR2 district, which 155 00:08:14,519 --> 00:08:16,439 is primarily a residential district. 156 00:08:16,439 --> 00:08:19,600 It's reflected by the development in the area. 157 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:23,319 In 1992, the city approved a subdivision 158 00:08:23,319 --> 00:08:25,959 which resulted in this non-conforming lot. 159 00:08:25,959 --> 00:08:29,480 By granting this variance, the issues associated 160 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:34,080 with this lot will be cured and will enable 161 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:35,519 the redevelopment of the site. 162 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,399 Staff sent public notices. 163 00:08:41,399 --> 00:08:47,639 We sent 10 notices via certified mail and 15 courtesy 164 00:08:47,639 --> 00:08:49,600 notices via regular mail. 165 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,440 We received four responses, which I set out before you 166 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,159 today. 167 00:08:54,159 --> 00:08:57,759 We received one response in opposition, 168 00:08:57,759 --> 00:09:02,320 which represents 6% of the land area within the 200 feet. 169 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,600 And we received three responses in favor. 170 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:06,960 You can see them on the map here. 171 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,200 The green ones are the responses in favor, 172 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:11,440 and the red ones are the-- 173 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,480 the one is the response that is in opposition. 174 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:19,279 And the three responses in favor represent 16% 175 00:09:19,279 --> 00:09:21,799 of the land area within the 200-foot area. 176 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,679 Based on the aforementioned findings of fact, 177 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,960 staff recommends approval of the following variances, 178 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,000 specifically a reduction of the minimum lot depth from 80 179 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:34,279 feet 180 00:09:34,279 --> 00:09:37,039 to 34 feet 11 inches-- 181 00:09:37,039 --> 00:09:41,120 11.4 inches and a reduction of the minimum rear setback 182 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,399 from 10 feet to 6 feet 4 inches. 183 00:09:44,399 --> 00:09:46,080 And that concludes my presentation. 184 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:51,600 Any questions for staff? 185 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:52,600 Aye. 186 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:53,799 All right, Mr. Sarra. 187 00:09:53,799 --> 00:09:55,639 I have a few questions. 188 00:09:55,639 --> 00:09:57,399 One, what is the-- 189 00:09:57,399 --> 00:10:01,279 I know that we're not the people doing this-- that part, 190 00:10:01,279 --> 00:10:05,440 but what is the zoning currently for that lot? 191 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,559 Downtown residential 2, DR 2. 192 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,279 So that would allow for the two-story. 193 00:10:10,279 --> 00:10:14,679 And the other question is, does this property owner 194 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:18,960 actually own the right of way of that portion of vine 195 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:20,879 if it's not developed, or is that something 196 00:10:20,879 --> 00:10:22,720 that the city is giving to them? 197 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,279 The city owns it right now. 198 00:10:24,279 --> 00:10:27,340 If the vine is abandoned, half of it will go to this 199 00:10:27,340 --> 00:10:27,879 property, 200 00:10:27,879 --> 00:10:29,379 and half of it will go to the property 201 00:10:29,379 --> 00:10:31,279 owner on the other side. 202 00:10:31,279 --> 00:10:32,240 How does that work? 203 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:33,919 Do they pay fair value to the city, 204 00:10:33,919 --> 00:10:37,519 or does the city just say, hey, have this? 205 00:10:37,519 --> 00:10:40,240 Well, I'm not sure if they pay for it or not. 206 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,200 Maybe, Jerry, could you perhaps address that? 207 00:10:47,919 --> 00:10:50,320 I got to admit, that's a new one on me also. 208 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,120 The city can't abandon it. 209 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,159 And the interest would revert back 210 00:10:54,159 --> 00:10:57,039 to the adjacent landowners. 211 00:10:57,039 --> 00:10:58,659 Whether there might be circumstances 212 00:10:58,659 --> 00:11:02,080 under which the city could request compensation for it, 213 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,320 we haven't really looked into it. 214 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:04,960 Thank you. 215 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,240 Other questions? 216 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:12,799 I have a few. 217 00:11:12,799 --> 00:11:14,360 OK, you know I do. 218 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,240 OK, so thank you. 219 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,600 I just want to get a timeline of what happened. 220 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,639 So this originally was platted back in the late 1800s. 221 00:11:23,639 --> 00:11:24,360 That's correct. 222 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,919 OK, and at some point-- 223 00:11:26,919 --> 00:11:28,080 who knows what happened? 224 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:29,840 And then in 1960, a house was built. 225 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,240 So that aerial view that we saw on this map, 226 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:33,799 this is maybe a couple years old. 227 00:11:33,799 --> 00:11:34,299 It is. 228 00:11:34,299 --> 00:11:36,879 OK, so that's right. 229 00:11:36,879 --> 00:11:40,679 Then that was built in 1960. 230 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:45,480 30-some years later, it was subdivided, that lot was, 231 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:49,440 which created this weird sliver of land that we have. 232 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:53,000 The house was demolished in 2017 in the hopes 233 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,759 of creating something more multi-family, 234 00:11:55,759 --> 00:11:58,200 which fit for that area. 235 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,000 The house was not in great shape either. 236 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,600 OK. 237 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,799 But in order to rebuild to make it residential or anything, 238 00:12:05,799 --> 00:12:08,080 really, now we have to-- 239 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,320 now the applicant is here today. 240 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,159 How was that subdivision approved in 1992 241 00:12:13,159 --> 00:12:15,799 if it was going to create this weird situation today? 242 00:12:15,799 --> 00:12:18,240 Again, that is something that I looked at. 243 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:23,440 And apparently, they just looked to see that the-- 244 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,639 they didn't check the lot depth or width at all. 245 00:12:26,639 --> 00:12:29,399 From what I can tell, I can't speak truly. 246 00:12:29,399 --> 00:12:30,799 Who was in charge, Cindy? 247 00:12:30,799 --> 00:12:32,000 I just want to understand. 248 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:32,840 I'm just totally getting-- 249 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:33,340 Well-- 250 00:12:33,340 --> 00:12:34,399 So we don't know. 251 00:12:34,399 --> 00:12:35,919 So this was 27 years ago. 252 00:12:35,919 --> 00:12:37,240 And it just was-- 253 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,039 I can surmise that they did not take a look 254 00:12:40,039 --> 00:12:42,480 and to see what the resulting lot depth was. 255 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,200 I know that if this application came through for plotting 256 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,559 today, we would not move it forward. 257 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:48,059 Right. 258 00:12:48,059 --> 00:12:49,000 OK. 259 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,840 And the setbacks for the pre-existing house, 260 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:54,840 is it known if those setbacks are generally 261 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,080 about the same as what these new proposed setbacks would be 262 00:12:58,080 --> 00:12:58,279 ? 263 00:12:58,279 --> 00:13:01,799 You know, I didn't check that, to be honest with you. 264 00:13:01,799 --> 00:13:03,320 So I don't know. 265 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,840 I'm assuming if it was built in 1960, 266 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:07,960 it was built to the 1960 standards. 267 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:08,460 Right. 268 00:13:08,460 --> 00:13:10,840 But then it was subdivided 30 years later. 269 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:12,919 And so as I'm looking at this, it 270 00:13:12,919 --> 00:13:15,279 looks like it's just kind of squeezed in there. 271 00:13:15,279 --> 00:13:16,960 So I'm assuming that the setbacks are 272 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:18,200 going to be relatively the same. 273 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,480 It was just kind of curious to know 274 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,120 if we're building something new, are the setbacks 275 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:24,440 going to be about the same? 276 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,159 Or do they vary significantly? 277 00:13:26,159 --> 00:13:29,320 It looks like it might be just looking at the aerial. 278 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:30,480 But I did not measure them. 279 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:31,679 OK. 280 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:32,279 That's good. 281 00:13:32,279 --> 00:13:32,879 Thank you. 282 00:13:32,879 --> 00:13:33,919 Sure. 283 00:13:33,919 --> 00:13:35,440 Mr. Saka. 284 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,519 I'm assuming that you would have to assume that these set 285 00:13:38,519 --> 00:13:38,879 backs 286 00:13:38,879 --> 00:13:45,120 are going to be consistent with what occurred back in 1992. 287 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,919 I would think so, that rear setback would have to be. 288 00:13:48,919 --> 00:13:51,320 In fact, it might be even closer because 289 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,559 of the five feet of right of way dedication 290 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:56,480 that is being required. 291 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,320 As well as there's possibly possible 292 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,570 that they could have got some variance at that point as 293 00:14:00,570 --> 00:14:00,919 well. 294 00:14:00,919 --> 00:14:01,960 I couldn't find one. 295 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:03,320 OK. 296 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:04,639 Thank you. 297 00:14:04,639 --> 00:14:06,679 Mr. Serra, did you have a question? 298 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,159 I remember those houses, and they were about 1,000 299 00:14:09,159 --> 00:14:09,919 square foot. 300 00:14:09,919 --> 00:14:12,360 So they might have had a little bit more setback, 301 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:17,399 because they were smaller than what's intended. 302 00:14:17,399 --> 00:14:18,759 Mr. Higgins. 303 00:14:18,759 --> 00:14:20,159 Just curious. 304 00:14:20,159 --> 00:14:23,200 On the back of the lawn, there's a wooden fence. 305 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:24,600 And then there's an apartment. 306 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:25,799 That's right. 307 00:14:25,799 --> 00:14:27,840 But that wooden fence looks to me 308 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,279 like it can't be more than five feet from that building. 309 00:14:30,279 --> 00:14:32,080 Do you have any idea what that is? 310 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,080 I mean, that doesn't look like there's more than five foot 311 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:36,600 setback there. 312 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,240 Which building are we talking? 313 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,320 Well, if you're on withers facing the lawn, 314 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,759 there's a wooden fence, and then there's apartments. 315 00:14:43,759 --> 00:14:44,960 Right. 316 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,240 And that fence is so close to those apartments, 317 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:48,559 it's always more than five feet. 318 00:14:48,559 --> 00:14:49,440 Yeah. 319 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,759 I did not look to see the setbacks for the adjacent lot, 320 00:14:52,759 --> 00:14:55,960 to be honest with you. 321 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,799 Well, I realize that's not what's 322 00:14:59,799 --> 00:15:01,519 being under consideration. 323 00:15:01,519 --> 00:15:03,919 I was just wondering about safety. 324 00:15:03,919 --> 00:15:05,320 And you've got these two buildings 325 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,519 that are really close to that fence. 326 00:15:08,519 --> 00:15:11,840 Well, I know that there are building code requirements 327 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:16,080 for firewalls if the walls are closer than 10 feet, five 328 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:16,440 feet, 329 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,960 closer than five feet. 330 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:24,399 So that would address the safety issue. 331 00:15:24,399 --> 00:15:28,039 Well, I'm just thinking that this request would not 332 00:15:28,039 --> 00:15:31,799 be inconsistent with what's going on right now. 333 00:15:31,799 --> 00:15:35,879 Well, and that's how they built that back in the '90s 334 00:15:35,879 --> 00:15:38,120 when after it was subdivided. 335 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,120 It was subdivided for the purpose 336 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:41,360 of building that multifamily. 337 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,080 Do you have a question? 338 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,200 Yeah, well, I know it sounds funny. 339 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:55,240 I know where that street is, and it's kind of narrow. 340 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,159 Where's everybody going to park? 341 00:15:57,159 --> 00:16:01,000 Well, if you look at the-- 342 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:01,960 That street's narrow. 343 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:12,480 There is four parking spaces provided on the west side 344 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,960 of the proposed duplex. 345 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:17,919 See, here's where the Vine Street would be, 346 00:16:17,919 --> 00:16:21,360 and then this is where the parking would be. 347 00:16:27,679 --> 00:16:29,679 Any other questions for staff? 348 00:16:29,679 --> 00:16:33,120 Is there any reason to believe that they would not 349 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:37,559 abandon the Vine Street piece of property? 350 00:16:37,559 --> 00:16:41,360 I can't second guess, but in similar situations, 351 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,080 I haven't seen any problem with that. 352 00:16:47,039 --> 00:16:49,350 I have checked with one of the other attorneys in our 353 00:16:49,350 --> 00:16:49,799 office, 354 00:16:49,799 --> 00:16:53,120 and we could get compensation for the abandonment 355 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:54,960 of Vine Street. 356 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,679 So that's definitely a possibility, 357 00:16:57,679 --> 00:17:02,600 and that may enter into the decision somewhat as well. 358 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,680 But I'm assuming that's usually pretty unusual. 359 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,680 It's really abandoned because the city no longer 360 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:09,160 has a use for value of the property, 361 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,759 and it's not intended development. 362 00:17:11,759 --> 00:17:17,279 It's not developing because its intended use has changed. 363 00:17:17,279 --> 00:17:21,680 Right now, it's just a green grassy area. 364 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,269 In fact, it goes back on the tax rules at that point as 365 00:17:24,269 --> 00:17:25,920 well. 366 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:26,599 That's true. 367 00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:27,240 That's true. 368 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,880 And there's really-- there's no way it would be a dead end, 369 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,319 because it dead ends into the multifamily. 370 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,920 I have another question. 371 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,599 Now, are we deciding on the plat? 372 00:17:43,599 --> 00:17:48,359 So is there any more supervision after our decision to dead 373 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:48,480 end? 374 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:49,799 Oh, yes. 375 00:17:49,799 --> 00:17:51,759 What you're doing is you're giving approval 376 00:17:51,759 --> 00:17:55,319 for the lot dimensions and the setbacks. 377 00:17:55,319 --> 00:17:57,519 Once this is-- once you've approved the variance, 378 00:17:57,519 --> 00:18:00,660 if you approve the variance, then the plat has to be 379 00:18:00,660 --> 00:18:01,720 approved. 380 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:03,720 Well, first, the right of way has to be abandoned. 381 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,400 Then the plat has to be approved in the site plan. 382 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,920 And the building permit has to be approved for the duplex. 383 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:11,400 Here's my concern. 384 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,039 I guess part of my question, too, 385 00:18:13,039 --> 00:18:15,839 is does this even come into our decision making? 386 00:18:15,839 --> 00:18:19,119 If they're saying they're going to have four-- 387 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:23,279 well, quadplexes and four units. 388 00:18:23,279 --> 00:18:23,799 And they don't-- 389 00:18:23,799 --> 00:18:24,960 They're only having two. 390 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:26,960 Oh, they're only having two. 391 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,440 Oh, so it's two story, but it's just two. 392 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:29,960 That's right. 393 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:34,640 But then I know that the way that things ran around here 394 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:39,000 and to afford them, if those are, say, TW students, 395 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,920 they're going to have to have two or three people. 396 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:42,920 I'm just wondering if-- 397 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,759 Well, each one has-- 398 00:18:45,759 --> 00:18:47,440 I believe each one has one bedroom. 399 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,519 But the applicant can come up and address that. 400 00:18:49,519 --> 00:18:52,319 I'm just wondering about the car spaces 401 00:18:52,319 --> 00:18:54,200 if that was going to be sufficient 402 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,160 and if that's even something we should consider. 403 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:57,480 So I think what we're doing-- 404 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:57,839 pardon me. 405 00:18:57,839 --> 00:18:58,359 Go ahead. 406 00:18:58,359 --> 00:18:58,839 Oh, no. 407 00:18:58,839 --> 00:19:02,000 I was just going to say if it's two or more bedrooms, 408 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,880 they're required one space for each bedroom. 409 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,440 And so what I was going to say, too, is right now we're 410 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:12,799 looking at whether or not to approve this plat 411 00:19:12,799 --> 00:19:14,039 and reducing the setbacks. 412 00:19:14,039 --> 00:19:16,279 And then all that other stuff would come into play 413 00:19:16,279 --> 00:19:17,160 through the planning department. 414 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,039 But they can't move forward with any of this 415 00:19:19,039 --> 00:19:21,079 until we've decided what to do with this. 416 00:19:21,079 --> 00:19:22,880 That was part of my question. 417 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,160 Thank you. 418 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:25,039 Mr. Saka. 419 00:19:25,039 --> 00:19:27,240 And I don't know if I want to be a little more specific, 420 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,640 but aren't we really only determining 421 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:33,359 whether they meet the requirements for us 422 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,000 to grant a variance for the setback only? 423 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:36,519 Right. 424 00:19:36,519 --> 00:19:37,920 So the plat itself could change? 425 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:38,440 Correct. 426 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,240 The plat itself comes-- 427 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,920 goes before P&Z. 428 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:44,519 Yeah, so that whole thing can change. 429 00:19:44,519 --> 00:19:46,480 It's just whether we feel like we're 430 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,000 willing to grant a variance based 431 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,799 on those four or five conditions. 432 00:19:49,799 --> 00:19:50,599 Thank you very much. 433 00:19:50,599 --> 00:19:52,720 And as the rear setback also-- 434 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:53,720 Correct. 435 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,559 As far as-- I don't know, Cindy, is there 436 00:19:56,559 --> 00:19:58,200 an issue on the side yard setback 437 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:02,500 depending on whether or not there is an abandonment of fine 438 00:20:02,500 --> 00:20:02,839 ? 439 00:20:02,839 --> 00:20:04,279 I'm sorry, I missed your question. 440 00:20:04,279 --> 00:20:07,200 Is there an issue on the side setback there, 441 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:08,480 either way with the-- 442 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:09,839 No, there is not. 443 00:20:09,839 --> 00:20:10,799 There is not. 444 00:20:10,799 --> 00:20:13,799 What we're looking at is the lot depth, 445 00:20:13,799 --> 00:20:15,920 and we're looking at the rear setbacks, and that's all. 446 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,240 [INAUDIBLE] 447 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:27,519 Sure. 448 00:20:27,519 --> 00:20:29,279 All of the other-- everything else 449 00:20:29,279 --> 00:20:32,599 will go through the normal process. 450 00:20:32,599 --> 00:20:34,799 This is only for these two variances 451 00:20:34,799 --> 00:20:35,799 that they've requested. 452 00:20:35,799 --> 00:20:36,519 Sure. 453 00:20:36,519 --> 00:20:37,039 Thank you. 454 00:20:37,039 --> 00:20:40,680 Well, pursuant to what Mr. Sacco said, 455 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,240 the setback gets approved. 456 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,119 The next plan that comes up could be a sixplex. 457 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:47,720 They can't fit a sixplex on that. 458 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,039 And all of that-- 459 00:20:49,039 --> 00:20:50,880 that's outside our purview. 460 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,359 So all of that will go through the planning department 461 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,680 or planning and zoning if they want it. 462 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:57,559 We just made clear that this could change. 463 00:20:57,559 --> 00:20:59,359 It could, but that's not something 464 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:00,480 that we would look at. 465 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:01,960 That would go through the proper-- 466 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:03,799 either, again, through the planning department 467 00:21:03,799 --> 00:21:05,839 or planning and zoning to look at, well, OK, 468 00:21:05,839 --> 00:21:06,960 this is an interesting new proposal. 469 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:07,960 Does this fit here? 470 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:09,920 And then there would be another set of eyes on that. 471 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:10,759 Does that make sense? 472 00:21:10,759 --> 00:21:13,920 What we're looking at is a site that met requirements 473 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:18,599 when it was platted, and through no fault of their own, 474 00:21:18,599 --> 00:21:21,200 most of it was replatted into another lot, 475 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,720 and we're left with this sliver of land 476 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,680 that, unless the variances are approved, 477 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,680 they can't do anything with it. 478 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,319 And as I understand, I mean, there was a structure there 479 00:21:30,319 --> 00:21:31,839 until just like a year ago. 480 00:21:31,839 --> 00:21:32,339 Yes. 481 00:21:32,339 --> 00:21:34,319 Now we want to put another structure there. 482 00:21:34,319 --> 00:21:34,880 That's correct. 483 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,279 So it seems to be a conforming use. 484 00:21:36,279 --> 00:21:39,880 And there are other multifamily units in the area. 485 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:41,880 So I just want us to just stay focused on, 486 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:43,960 let's not-- don't look at the beautiful design 487 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,200 plan and the parking spaces. 488 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,359 Let's just look at the lot and the setbacks. 489 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,960 And I do want to note that a duplex is not multifamily. 490 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,839 A duplex is considered single family. 491 00:21:53,839 --> 00:21:55,119 Thank you for that clarification. 492 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:59,440 And that complies with DR2 district zoning, 493 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:00,640 and staff approves it. 494 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:01,279 Exactly. 495 00:22:01,279 --> 00:22:01,779 OK. 496 00:22:01,779 --> 00:22:02,279 Thank you. 497 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,480 Any other questions for staff at this time, 498 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,920 or should we hear from the applicants? 499 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:10,599 Thank you. 500 00:22:10,599 --> 00:22:11,839 Thank you. 501 00:22:11,839 --> 00:22:16,720 So this is a public hearing, and you are welcome to speak. 502 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,960 Do they need to fill out cards, or how does-- no? 503 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:20,680 OK. 504 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:21,960 All right. 505 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,680 So typically what we need to do at a ZBA meeting 506 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,240 is we need to swear in anyone who would like to speak. 507 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,200 So if anyone knows that they'd like to speak now, 508 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,119 we can just kind of do it all at once. 509 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:34,319 And if you change your mind later 510 00:22:34,319 --> 00:22:35,519 and decide you don't want to speak, 511 00:22:35,519 --> 00:22:37,079 or you didn't stand up and you want to speak, 512 00:22:37,079 --> 00:22:38,480 we can figure that out at the end. 513 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:39,400 Yeah? 514 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,299 So is there anyone who would like to speak about this issue 515 00:22:42,299 --> 00:22:42,519 ? 516 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:46,859 No? 517 00:22:46,859 --> 00:22:48,559 Would you like to speak? 518 00:22:48,559 --> 00:22:49,059 Yeah? 519 00:22:49,059 --> 00:22:50,559 [INAUDIBLE] 520 00:22:50,559 --> 00:22:51,319 Oh, sorry. 521 00:22:51,319 --> 00:22:51,960 Just one moment. 522 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,519 Is there anyone-- I just want to make sure, 523 00:22:53,519 --> 00:22:54,680 because we have to swear people in, 524 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,119 so I just want to expedite this. 525 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,640 Is there anyone else who would like to speak? 526 00:22:58,640 --> 00:22:58,960 OK. 527 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:00,799 Then please go ahead and approach the podium. 528 00:23:00,799 --> 00:23:02,519 And then we'll swear you in, and you'll 529 00:23:02,519 --> 00:23:05,319 have some time to give us your pitch, yeah? 530 00:23:05,319 --> 00:23:08,480 So go ahead, if you'd like to approach the podium. 531 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,460 Yeah? 532 00:23:11,460 --> 00:23:13,119 So if you could please raise your right hand 533 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:14,920 and step towards the microphone, because it's 534 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:15,960 all in the public record. 535 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,519 Thank you. 536 00:23:17,519 --> 00:23:19,680 So could you please identify yourself, your name and 537 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:20,759 address? 538 00:23:20,759 --> 00:23:22,920 My name is [INAUDIBLE] 539 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:27,839 I live on 2221 Bowling Green in Texas. 540 00:23:27,839 --> 00:23:29,680 And under penalty of perjury, do you 541 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,240 swear or affirm that any testimony or information 542 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,839 you provide or any statement you make before this board 543 00:23:34,839 --> 00:23:37,890 is completely true and correct to the best of your 544 00:23:37,890 --> 00:23:38,279 knowledge 545 00:23:38,279 --> 00:23:39,039 and ability? 546 00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:39,720 I do. 547 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:40,220 Thank you. 548 00:23:40,220 --> 00:23:41,880 OK, please proceed. 549 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,200 Well, I just wanted to thank you for being here. 550 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:49,359 And I just plan to do this for the best of my abilities. 551 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:53,480 And I plan to live there and to make a home 552 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,279 and just run the other part. 553 00:23:55,279 --> 00:23:56,680 And that's all I want to do. 554 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:57,480 That's great. 555 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,359 And thank you. 556 00:23:59,359 --> 00:23:59,859 Thank you. 557 00:23:59,859 --> 00:24:01,799 Are there any questions for the applicant? 558 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:05,480 Thank you very much. 559 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,599 This is a public hearing, so if there's 560 00:24:10,599 --> 00:24:13,150 anyone else who would like to speak for or against this 561 00:24:13,150 --> 00:24:13,400 issue, 562 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,359 you're welcome to. 563 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,599 Going once, going twice? 564 00:24:19,599 --> 00:24:20,559 OK, thank you. 565 00:24:20,559 --> 00:24:21,880 Do I close the public hearing? 566 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,000 Do we wait until-- 567 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:23,519 You close it. 568 00:24:23,519 --> 00:24:24,319 I believe we close it. 569 00:24:24,319 --> 00:24:26,599 All right, the public hearing is now closed. 570 00:24:26,599 --> 00:24:29,359 And so now we have conversation, a motion. 571 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:36,920 I would make a motion to approve the variance of the set 572 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:37,839 back 573 00:24:37,839 --> 00:24:39,720 requirements as noted by staff. 574 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,079 We've got a first for Mr. Sucker. 575 00:24:41,079 --> 00:24:45,519 There's a lot depth also. 576 00:24:45,519 --> 00:24:47,960 It's not just setback as the lot depth. 577 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:52,160 As well as the lot depth variance. 578 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,000 First for Mr. Sucker to approve as staff recommended. 579 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,440 This is a request right here. 580 00:25:00,039 --> 00:25:03,039 I would make a motion to approve the reduction 581 00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:08,559 in the minimum lot depth from 80 feet to 34 feet, 11.4 582 00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:09,720 inches, 583 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,640 and a reduction of the minimum rear setback from 10 feet 584 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,160 to 6 foot 4 inches. 585 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:16,880 Very clear. 586 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:17,920 Thank you, Mr. Sucker. 587 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,519 Is there a second? 588 00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:21,279 Mr. Cole seconds. 589 00:25:21,279 --> 00:25:26,319 Is there any discussion about this before we vote? 590 00:25:26,319 --> 00:25:26,799 No? 591 00:25:26,799 --> 00:25:28,319 Just for the public record, I would 592 00:25:28,319 --> 00:25:31,400 like to say that my kids have been very well behaved. 593 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,960 Thank you, Max and Lulu. 594 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,880 All right, so now we could-- 595 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:36,680 I guess we can vote. 596 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,920 So all those in favor, raise your hand. 597 00:25:40,039 --> 00:25:41,960 Any opposed? 598 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,440 And any abstain? 599 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:44,119 Great. 600 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:45,000 The motion passes. 601 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,279 Thank you and congratulations. 602 00:25:46,279 --> 00:25:47,799 Thank you for giving us. 603 00:25:47,799 --> 00:25:49,799 Thank you. 604 00:25:49,799 --> 00:25:52,440 The last item is any concluding items. 605 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,200 I had just a couple of things, but I 606 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:55,619 wanted to hear from you all first before we move you out of 607 00:25:55,619 --> 00:25:55,920 here. 608 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,440 Does anyone have anything they want to bring up? 609 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:58,240 I have one thing. 610 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,319 Yes, please, Mr. Sarath. 611 00:26:00,319 --> 00:26:02,960 I did not reapply to the board for next year. 612 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,839 Not because it takes too much out of my schedule. 613 00:26:05,839 --> 00:26:08,720 Obviously, it doesn't. 614 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:13,119 I have observed many people waiting and being 615 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,720 faithful for a long time as alternate delegates. 616 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,880 And with all deference to anyone who might elsewise be 617 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,640 on the board now, being kind of jumped over. 618 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:29,759 And I just want to give opportunities to more people, 619 00:26:29,759 --> 00:26:32,519 particularly those who have been faithfully coming 620 00:26:32,519 --> 00:26:37,599 and trying to be educated in this to have an opportunity, 621 00:26:37,599 --> 00:26:40,319 whether-- I don't even know who got selected this year, 622 00:26:40,319 --> 00:26:44,359 but whether someone else did, or maybe next year, 623 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,119 the council might consider them. 624 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:48,640 So that's what I wanted to say. 625 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:53,680 And thank you for the opportunities to serve. 626 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,240 Thank you for your service. 627 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,039 It was such a crunch on my schedule. 628 00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:00,559 Well, I found you've always asked 629 00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:04,880 very insightful and thoughtful and considerate questions. 630 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,960 And I really appreciate your service. 631 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,000 Thank you. 632 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,440 I had just a couple of things I wanted to bring up, please, 633 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:13,519 before we conclude. 634 00:27:13,519 --> 00:27:16,400 First, there was apparently an ethics training 635 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,680 that PNZ members and ZBA members are supposed to partake in 636 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:19,759 . 637 00:27:19,759 --> 00:27:20,960 Is this correct, staff? 638 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,599 Yes, that was, I believe, on the 16th. 639 00:27:23,599 --> 00:27:26,480 So I'm a mom in the summer, so I missed that. 640 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,599 And I don't know if anyone-- did anyone else make it? 641 00:27:28,599 --> 00:27:30,319 Or did you-- you made it? 642 00:27:30,319 --> 00:27:30,819 There's a-- 643 00:27:30,819 --> 00:27:31,319 Oh, man. 644 00:27:31,319 --> 00:27:32,400 I did the video. 645 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:33,319 There's a video, too. 646 00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:33,920 Yes, I say-- 647 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,759 You should have received a link to look at it. 648 00:27:35,759 --> 00:27:36,279 OK. 649 00:27:36,279 --> 00:27:37,799 Will you send me that link, please? 650 00:27:37,799 --> 00:27:38,279 OK. 651 00:27:38,279 --> 00:27:39,839 And if anyone else needs that, please do. 652 00:27:39,839 --> 00:27:41,359 I'm going to need that as well as out of town. 653 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:41,859 OK. 654 00:27:41,859 --> 00:27:42,359 Thank you. 655 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:43,000 I can completely-- 656 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,039 It's two hours of riveting. 657 00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:45,539 Yes. 658 00:27:45,539 --> 00:27:47,680 It may not happen then until after the kids go back to 659 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:48,039 school. 660 00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:49,519 But I will take care of it. 661 00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:50,279 Sorry. 662 00:27:50,279 --> 00:27:51,359 That was the first thing I wanted to mention. 663 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:52,720 Just make sure you take care of that. 664 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:53,799 I can't get the video. 665 00:27:53,799 --> 00:27:55,599 I can only get the audio. 666 00:27:55,599 --> 00:27:56,099 OK. 667 00:27:56,099 --> 00:27:59,319 In a sense, it's my fiction problem. 668 00:27:59,319 --> 00:28:01,799 If you have any further issues, please reach out, 669 00:28:01,799 --> 00:28:04,759 and we'll make sure we address it. 670 00:28:04,759 --> 00:28:08,680 And then the second thing, kind of a bit of a segue 671 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,160 of what Marshall was saying is we 672 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,359 do meet pretty infrequently. 673 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,960 The last meeting was September of 2017, 674 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,720 maybe when that house was still standing. 675 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:18,400 Who knows? 676 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:19,680 It was a while ago. 677 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,680 And so I just would-- 678 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,559 I know that we are all very busy people, 679 00:28:23,559 --> 00:28:29,079 but I just would like to maybe mention perhaps we could 680 00:28:29,079 --> 00:28:29,299 help 681 00:28:29,299 --> 00:28:33,039 with some of the rewrites of the debt and development code, 682 00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:36,039 or as we're looking at some of the rezoning in the city. 683 00:28:36,039 --> 00:28:38,559 I feel like because we meet so infrequently, sometimes 684 00:28:38,559 --> 00:28:38,839 maybe 685 00:28:38,839 --> 00:28:40,960 we're not up to speed on what it is exactly 686 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,680 that we should be studying or looking at. 687 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,059 Staff has asked before, do we want 688 00:28:45,059 --> 00:28:46,400 to maybe schedule a training? 689 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:47,519 Well, we could, but then we're not 690 00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:48,440 going to use it for eight months, 691 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:49,720 so we're going to forget about it. 692 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:50,720 And do we want to have a training 693 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:51,559 before every single meeting? 694 00:28:51,559 --> 00:28:54,059 I'm not sure that's really the best use of our time either. 695 00:28:54,059 --> 00:28:56,160 And so I'm just going to bring it up. 696 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,359 I know that we're all very busy, but we have made a 697 00:28:59,359 --> 00:28:59,799 commitment 698 00:28:59,799 --> 00:29:02,019 to the city that perhaps that might be something 699 00:29:02,019 --> 00:29:04,359 we could help with so that we could meet a little more 700 00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:06,759 frequently and just stay a little more 701 00:29:06,759 --> 00:29:10,559 on top of the goings on of the city. 702 00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:12,559 And I don't know, how do people feel about maybe 703 00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:15,440 having a training before our next meeting? 704 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,519 Is there maybe a video link that we could just 705 00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:18,640 review on our own? 706 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,519 Or what do you all think? 707 00:29:21,519 --> 00:29:23,400 Would that be helpful or not necessary? 708 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:27,359 Yeah? 709 00:29:27,359 --> 00:29:29,200 I think that's a decent idea. 710 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,599 I also think with coffee and cookies, 711 00:29:31,599 --> 00:29:35,240 because we don't really know each other. 712 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,160 So the party's at your place? 713 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,359 Is that what you're saying? 714 00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:41,279 That'd be wonderful. 715 00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:43,440 The more we get to know each other, the better. 716 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,440 If you have a quorum, you have to post it. 717 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:45,940 Yes. 718 00:29:45,940 --> 00:29:46,440 Right. 719 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:47,920 No, I mean, maybe not-- 720 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:48,640 Accept the puppet? 721 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:49,140 Yeah. 722 00:29:49,140 --> 00:29:49,640 Yeah. 723 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:50,920 Can we accept coffees? 724 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,559 [INAUDIBLE] 725 00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:55,839 Sure, absolutely. 726 00:29:55,839 --> 00:29:56,880 Yeah, go ahead. 727 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,680 Madam Chair, I'd like to offer the fact 728 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,160 that we certainly could come back. 729 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,440 If you want to pick a date, whether it's two months 730 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:07,640 from now or 30 days, and we could have a work session, 731 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,359 we could just go ahead and post a meeting, 732 00:30:09,359 --> 00:30:12,319 have a work session, talk about where we're at, 733 00:30:12,319 --> 00:30:15,440 where we're going, and gather some feedback. 734 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,240 We've got a lot of things going on. 735 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:18,640 So we could create an agenda that 736 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,799 would talk about several items. 737 00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:23,039 We could even change the time if it's easier to move this 738 00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:23,200 up 739 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:28,039 a little bit and have maybe a 3 o'clock work session, 740 00:30:28,039 --> 00:30:32,240 spend 30, 40 minutes on maybe downtown standards, 741 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,839 where we're going with the development code, 742 00:30:34,839 --> 00:30:37,759 maybe just a general update. 743 00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:39,680 And I guess while I have the stage, 744 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,059 I might say another piece to that 745 00:30:42,059 --> 00:30:45,799 is maybe there's some value in having quarterly meetings, 746 00:30:45,799 --> 00:30:49,039 knowing that this board meets tirelessly. 747 00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:51,160 Just if I can offer a little bit more up, 748 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,000 that maybe we could do some updates, 749 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,519 and/or we should do some training. 750 00:30:55,519 --> 00:30:57,480 And again, I know the importance of serving, 751 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,119 and I thank you all very much for your service. 752 00:31:01,119 --> 00:31:03,119 It makes it very challenging when it is that you 753 00:31:03,119 --> 00:31:04,319 don't meet very frequently. 754 00:31:04,319 --> 00:31:07,039 So if I can help-- 755 00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:11,079 Athenia loves ordering cookies and drinks. 756 00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:14,079 So she'll be happy to do that, certainly, for the next 757 00:31:14,079 --> 00:31:14,480 meeting. 758 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:15,880 And we can kind of go from there. 759 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,319 I like this idea, because I mean, 760 00:31:17,319 --> 00:31:19,960 perhaps as we're getting an update, 761 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,160 we may be able to recognize as a board 762 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,500 that that might play on our strengths, something 763 00:31:24,500 --> 00:31:26,160 that we'd like to learn more about, 764 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,240 that we could assist the city with. 765 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,880 I also, again, know that people are very time strapped. 766 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,920 And maybe one of the reasons you chose this board 767 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,960 is because we don't meet very often. 768 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,690 But I think that it would be helpful to me as a board 769 00:31:39,690 --> 00:31:40,079 member 770 00:31:40,079 --> 00:31:41,799 just to meet a little more frequently. 771 00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:45,759 And I spent three years on P&Z, so I kind of 772 00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:47,440 know my way around this stuff. 773 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,519 And I still feel a little out of touch with some of this. 774 00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:53,160 And I'm here to tell you probably 775 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,599 are a little touch on. 776 00:31:54,599 --> 00:31:55,720 Yeah. 777 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:56,839 But it would be good. 778 00:31:56,839 --> 00:31:57,400 It would be good. 779 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:58,640 And things have changed quite a bit, too, 780 00:31:58,640 --> 00:31:59,920 since I was on P&Z. 781 00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:03,160 Ron's got a great presentation on the proposed zoning map. 782 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:04,880 So there are a lot of topics that we 783 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,079 can talk about, which kind of helps even with the case 784 00:32:08,079 --> 00:32:08,400 today 785 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,680 and kind of bring it into light as to where we're going 786 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,400 and what the thought process is. 787 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,000 And again, most importantly, garner that feedback. 788 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,799 This is the most powerful board in the city. 789 00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:22,000 So only appeals to the court. 790 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,000 So it's important. 791 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,119 And I think we had a conversation about this, too. 792 00:32:26,119 --> 00:32:28,559 I think to the city's credit, the reason 793 00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:31,440 we meet so infrequently is because we have things 794 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,579 in place to move things along so they don't have to come 795 00:32:34,579 --> 00:32:35,279 see us. 796 00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:37,359 So it's good that we meet so infrequently. 797 00:32:37,359 --> 00:32:39,240 But it's also-- I feel a little out of touch. 798 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,119 So did you have something you wanted to say? 799 00:32:41,119 --> 00:32:43,480 I saw you raise your hand. 800 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,480 So maybe let's continue this-- 801 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,119 I guess if no one has anything to say, 802 00:32:48,119 --> 00:32:50,440 maybe we could just continue this conversation over email 803 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,440 or something and just maybe pick a date a month or two out. 804 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:53,940 Sure. 805 00:32:53,940 --> 00:32:54,440 Sign on that. 806 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:54,940 Sure. 807 00:32:54,940 --> 00:32:55,940 We can float some dates. 808 00:32:55,940 --> 00:32:57,799 We can do it as zoom ring or something. 809 00:32:57,799 --> 00:32:59,960 Is that OK with you all? 810 00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:00,460 Sure. 811 00:33:00,460 --> 00:33:00,960 Great. 812 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,799 We've got-- sorry, just real quick. 813 00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:05,000 We've got an approved calendar. 814 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,319 So we just have to pick a month. 815 00:33:06,319 --> 00:33:09,160 And whatever is the last Monday of every month 816 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:10,920 is when we have the ZBA meeting. 817 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,680 So I know maybe you already programmed that 818 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:14,920 into your schedule. 819 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,400 If we just pick a month away or maybe two months away, 820 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,160 we can certainly make that happen. 821 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:22,039 Sure. 822 00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:23,839 And that would be easiest. 823 00:33:23,839 --> 00:33:26,559 Certainly, we can call a special meeting if we need to. 824 00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:30,079 But again, this board convenes on a regular basis 825 00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:31,799 monthly as needed. 826 00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:32,299 Right. 827 00:33:32,299 --> 00:33:33,640 Of course, it hasn't been needed. 828 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:34,880 Or every 10 months. 829 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:35,920 We want you to feel-- 830 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,440 we want you to feel needed. 831 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:39,640 OK, good. 832 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,559 Anything else? 833 00:33:41,559 --> 00:33:43,039 Thank you. 834 00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:45,000 OK, I guess with that, I will close the meeting. 835 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,359 The time now is 4.37. 836 00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:48,799 And the meeting is adjourned. 837 00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:49,799 Thanks, y'all. 838 00:33:49,799 --> 00:33:53,160 [SIDE CONVERSATION]